[01:10] <jdub> thanks whiprush
[04:01] <Reformed> Afternoon.
[04:33] <dieman> nice, at first look only 560 package names in difference to the 'main' archive at no-name-yet
[04:34] <dieman> now to weed out new libs and package renamings
[10:43] <jdub> ahr!
[10:43] <rburton> aaRRRRRRrrrRR
[10:46] <fabbione> did robot101 left already?`
[10:47] <thom> fabbione: yeah, yesterday
[10:50] <fabbione> oh too bad...
[10:50] <fabbione> i didn't exchange fingerprint :-)
[11:01] <rburton> seb128: i want to kill hald
[11:01] <rburton> i want to STAB IT IN THE EYES WITH A BLUNT STICK
[11:02] <seb128> FEAR ROSS
[11:02] <rburton> mwhaaa
[11:02] <rburton> "contact-lookup-applet-0.7.tar.gz is ready for distribution"
[11:02] <rburton> yay
[11:02] <jdub> yay
[11:02] <rburton> a lookup applet which actually links against recent eds
[11:02] <rburton> with some *very cool new features*
[11:02] <rburton> of which i coded 0%
[11:03] <rburton> but that isn't the point
[11:03] <seb128> great :)
[11:03] <seb128> rburton, so you're coming tomorrow ?
[11:05] <rburton> not sure yet
[11:05] <rburton> i've still got to ask my boss
[11:05] <rburton> i'll wait til he is in a good mood :)
[11:05] <rburton> jdub suggested thursday as a good day to come
[11:06] <seb128> hey
[11:06] <seb128> yeah
[11:07] <jdub> ROAR!
[11:07] <rburton> anyone able to test the contact-lookup-applet? i can mail a 386 deb
[11:08] <seb128> I could do this
[11:08] <rburton> hey, ubuntu has a newer eds
[11:08] <rburton> dammit
[11:09] <rburton> seb128: i'll upgrade my evo, rebuild, and then mail you the deb
[11:10] <seb128> ok, thanks
[11:10] <seb128> you don't have the sources somewhere ?
[11:15] <rburton> the packages is in pkg-gnome svn
[11:15] <rburton> moin Keybuk
[11:15] <Keybuk> hey-di-hey-hey
[11:15] <rburton> hi-de-hi!
[11:15] <seb128> morning Keybuk
[11:16] <Keybuk> seb128: bonjour, a va?
[11:16] <seb128> rburton, hum, I don't have a SVN tree from alioth here, time to get this I guess :)
[11:16] <rburton> yeah!
[11:16] <seb128> Keybuk, trs bien merci :) Et toi ? On parle franais aujourd'hui ? :)
[11:17] <rburton> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of contact-lookup-applet:
[11:17] <rburton>  contact-lookup-applet depends on libxml2 (>= 2.6.11); however:
[11:17] <rburton>   Version of libxml2 on system is 2.6.10-3.
[11:17] <rburton> c'mon guys, get with the program
[11:17] <rburton> your libxml2 is ooolld
[11:18] <Keybuk> bien aussi, merci.  :o)
[11:20] <seb128> damn, your french is good, better than my english ... we should talk french here :)
[11:20] <Keybuk> lol, my french sucks; haven't spoken it with any real consistency since high school
[11:21] <seb128> yeah, I know that feeling :p
[11:21] <jdub> rburton: we froze versions a while back :)
[11:21] <jdub> though libxml2 should be upgraded all the time
[11:22] <thom> seb128: what, your french sucking?
[11:22] <seb128> ah ah ah
[11:22] <rburton> hm, seb128 is getting violehnt
[11:22] <rburton> gar
[11:23] <rburton> violent. maybe i won't come up :)
[11:24] <seb128> rburton, yeah, my brain is seriously damaged after a full week of english
[11:24] <rburton> haha
[11:47] <fabbione> elmo_l: can you install dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: tk8.3-dev
[11:47] <fabbione> elmo_l: on merulo sid chroot?
[12:21] <rburton> ewww
[12:21] <rburton> nautilus says a directory is of type "x-directory/normal"
[12:22] <rburton> i hope that gets turned into english before 2.8
[12:24] <seb128> we have reached the string freeze IIRC
[12:25] <Keybuk> Configuration file `/etc/gconf/schemas/apps_evolution_shell-1.5.schemas'
[12:25] <Keybuk>  ==> File on system created by you or by a script.
[12:25] <Keybuk>  ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.
[12:25] <rburton> haha
[12:25] <rburton> $ ls /etc/gconf/schemas/| wc -l
[12:25] <rburton> 94
[12:26] <rburton> on a fresh install
[12:26] <seb128> warty or debian ?
[12:26] <rburton> warty
[12:26] <seb128> ok
[12:26] <seb128> we have not moved the schemas in warty
[12:26] <rburton> ahok
[12:27] <Keybuk> why are they even changing?
[12:27] <seb128> Keybuk, yeah schemas in /etc is a bad idea, will be fixed but not for warty
[12:27] <seb128> no idea
[12:27] <seb128> they should never change
[12:27] <Keybuk> are you moving them between packages?
[12:28] <seb128> me ? no
[12:28] <seb128> but I don't package evolution :)
[12:28] <seb128> and I want the new evolution1.5 release packaged
[12:29] <seb128> new fileselector in this one
[12:29] <npmccallum> seb128: yeah, it looks nice too :0
[12:33] <rburton> will ubuntu have a fixed printscreen key in X?
[12:33] <seb128> ask fabbione
[12:34] <fabbione> only if Debian will.
[12:34] <seb128> I've pointed the bugzilla comments
[12:34] <rburton> i hope debian will
[12:34] <fabbione> i am not too happy to change xbd stuff
[12:35] <rburton> sticky super key is a pita
[12:35] <rburton> i don't really see how kde managed to popup on press as for a very long time super has been a modifier for me
[03:57] <rburton> seb128: haha
[03:59] <seb128> I don't like to hurt the autobuilder for a such tiny change :)
[04:02] <rburton> fair point, oo.o is massive
[04:02] <rburton> how long is a build these days?
[04:04] <seb128> I don't know
[04:04] <seb128> but I don't even want to try on my laptop
[04:04] <seb128> (a pII366)
[04:04] <seb128> and no, that's not fun :p
[04:06] <rburton> Build needed 11:44:05, 1519568k disk space
[04:07] <rburton> on ppc
[04:54] <rburton> thom: so how does laptop-detect work?
[04:55] <thom> rburton: with some nasty sed and grep
[04:55] <rburton> sed and grepping what?
[04:58] <thom> dmidecode output, then checking for acpi batteries
[04:58] <rburton> cunning
[04:58] <thom> it seems to work mostly
[04:59] <rburton> would you appreciate me testing it on my x22?
[04:59] <thom> yes please
[05:01] <rburton> # /usr/sbin/laptop-detect
[05:01] <rburton> We're a laptop
[05:02] <rburton> wow, dmidecode is fun
[05:02] <rburton> i can find out my model number again now, the label has worn off the bottom
[05:03] <thom> yeah
[05:03] <thom> it's a pretty neat hack
[05:03] <thom> shame its output is freetext, really
[05:04] <rburton> yeah
[05:15] <mjg59> I love my dodgy heuristics
[05:16] <dieman> takes so long to download the iso :)
[05:17] <thom> speaking of which, I should go back to discover
[05:17] <mdz_> thom: grr
[05:17] <dieman> heh
[05:18] <dieman> i've not yet used discover 2.x on anything
[05:18] <dieman> well, my laptop, but i mean in production
[05:18] <thom> or one of the many other tasks my fearless CTO has dumped on me :p
[05:19] <dieman> im going to get ubuntu setup at work today and start trying to see if any of these non-free apps we have hate it
[05:19] <mdz_> there's no dumping around here
[05:19] <mdz_> only volunteering
[05:19] <dieman> ive got some 'real' work to do this week too though
[05:19] <mdz_> sometimes of the compulsory variety
[05:21] <thom> "sometimes"? ;P
[05:23] <dieman> oo. only 2 minutes to go


[10:10] <JRe> anyone is running kde svn here ?
[11:12] <Riddell> JRe: I can do
[11:12] <JRe> Riddell: no it's good i have found someone ;)+
[11:59] <JRe> hehe KDE people like us http://www.very-clever.com/kde-blog/2005/07/26/kubuntu-is-great/
[12:00] <Riddell> :)
[12:31] <JRe> Riddell: http://jrepin.blogspot.com/2005/07/jlps-kde-35-previews-part-1.html they talk about media notifier :)
[01:05] <\sh> Riddell: u start uploading 3.4.2?
[01:06] <Riddell> \sh: ssh :)
[01:06] <\sh> *oops*
[01:07] <\sh> :)
[01:32] <froud> insanekane: you there
[01:42] <JRe> \sh: did you find the kwave maintainer
[01:43] <JRe> ?
[01:54] <\sh> JRe: yes...I will try to build kwave with orig source
[01:54] <\sh> and lets see
[01:55] <JRe> ko
[01:55] <JRe> ok
[03:03] <Riddell> JRe: if the icecream package works feel free to send it to revu
[03:04] <JRe> Riddell: ok
[03:48] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[03:49] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[04:51] <allee> JRe: do you happen to have a kay action for digikam that I can include in the pkg?
[04:51] <JRe> allee: you have contact with digiKam upstream ?
[04:51] <allee> JRe: yes, that too ;)
[04:52] <JRe> allee: so you can make some lobying to make them register automaticly to media notifier
[04:52] <JRe> allee: with Kevin we have started lobying
[04:52] <allee> JRe: yes for sure
[04:52] <JRe> allee: but ATM only Kscd do that ;)
[04:53] <JRe> allee: you can tell them that there is an exemple in KScd or they can contact me if they want more info
[04:53] <allee> JRe: well for perfect integration digikam changes are needed.  E.g, you can't pass the mount point of an USB mass-storage camera
[04:54] <JRe> allee: yeah you're right
[04:54] <JRe> allee: i think that Kevin have amaroK and digiKam on the sight for these kind of problem
[04:55] <allee> JRe: thx, I'll check kscd trunk and try it.
[04:55] <JRe> allee: but the problem is that i am not sure that we will be able to backport medianofitier to KDE 3.4.2
[04:56] <JRe> allee: (since ervin is going now to change the way that the plugged media will be notified by changing the HAL backend)
[04:57] <JRe> allee: you can test medianotifier if you want by compiling trunk =)
[04:57] <JRe> allee: (i fixed two bugs today =) )
[04:58] <JRe> allee: (it's in kdebase/kioslave/media/ )
[04:59] <allee> JRe: I'll have a look at the commits.  any estimate already for 3.5 final release date?
[05:00] <JRe> i know that we freeze features in august
[05:00] <JRe> allee: but i dunnow for the release :(
[05:00] <allee> JRe: 'k np
[05:00] <JRe> allee: all i know is that trunk is pretty stable ATM
[05:02] <JRe> allee: anyway i really hope that we will be able to have 3.5 in Breezy
[05:03] <allee> hmm, KDE 3.5 will be much later than the next 0.7* digikam release.  But sounds in time for 0.8
[05:03] <allee> JRe: me too.  Moving windows in minipager alone is worth having it!
[05:04] <JRe> allee: yes it rocks!!! I love also the new konqueror search bar, the new system:/ kioslave and of course the medianotifier =) =)
[05:05] <JRe> allee: August 22  Complete feature freeze
[05:09] <Riddell> JRe: for KDE?
[05:09] <JRe> Riddell: yes http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=112001066511818&w=2
[05:10] <JRe> Riddell: but dunnow if it's the real date ar just an estimation
[05:11] <JRe> Riddell: you have information on the freeze date ?
[05:11] <Riddell> I think that's just a guess
[05:11] <Riddell> there's no official date for freeze yet as far as I know
[05:11] <JRe> Riddell: ok! I hope it will be before september :)
[05:14] <Mez> Riddell - is it worth building the i38n stuff for k3b
[05:15] <Riddell> i38n?
[05:15] <Riddell> that's a long word
[05:15] <Mez> ?
[05:15] <Mez> internationalisation
[05:15] <Riddell> i18n
[05:15] <JRe> =)
[05:16] <Riddell> Mez: isn't it part of the same sources?
[05:16] <Mez> seems not
[05:16] <Mez> http://k3b.plainblack.com/download
[05:18] <Mez> I think we can prob build a load of i38n packages
[05:18] <Mez> for k3b
[05:21] <allee> Mez: good question!  digikam* has/will splits docs out of main tarball too (GUI trans still in main tarballs).  Is there a policy/suggestion how to handle those multilanguage pkgs in (k)ubuntu?
[05:21] <Mez> *shrugs*
[05:22] <Mez> I've split some stuff out of packages before
[05:22] <Mez> but well, this is different
[05:22] <allee> I tend to release as one pkgs because splitting out dozends of pkgs is not the right solution
[05:22] <Mez> this involves making a new bas package
[05:23] <Mez> yeah
[05:23] <Mez> but if you only want i18n for one lang?
[05:23] <allee> Mez: bas?
[05:23] <Mez> bas?
 this involves making a new bas package
[05:23] <Mez> s/bas/base/
[05:23] <allee> ah
[05:24] <Mez> ah no it doesnt
[05:24] <Mez> Riddell!
[05:24] <Mez> *pokes*
[05:24] <Mez> theres already a k3b-i18n
[05:24] <Mez> shall I update?
[05:24] <allee> I would also prefer one pkg per lang, but in general for KDE apps this generates an order of magnigute more pkgs :(
[05:25] <Mez> kde has one package per land
[05:26] <allee> I splitting is 'easy' but what user want is I want lang1 lang2, ... and later does not care about <pkg>-doc-<lang>
[05:26] <Mez> lol
[05:27] <allee> that's something apt/deb pkg mngnt does not support :(
[05:27] <Mez> should make <pkg>-i18n-<lang> depend on <pkg>-doc-<lang>
[05:28] <Riddell> Mez: we do have a kde-i18n package I see, so yes that should be updated
[05:28] <Riddell> (even if the strip package stuff means it won't work yet)
[05:28] <allee> mhmm, isn't all this s/i18n/l10n/.   Who cares ;)
[05:29] <Mez> strip package stuff?
[05:29] <allee> Mez: this approach does not scale and is messy like all meta pkgs that don't have a no-much-changing set of pkg
[05:30] <Riddell> Mez: when main packages get uploaded to the server their .mo files get stripped so they can be put in language-pack-xx, but it doesn't work right for kde yet
[05:31] <allee> Riddell: Are there plans to handle doc too this way (.html, docbook etc)
[05:31] <allee> +?
[05:33] <Riddell> allee: no, docs stay in kde-i18n-xx
[05:36] <allee> he, he,  core kde tarballs solve the problem already ;)   Looks like localepurge is still the only rescue after one downloaded lots of (useless) bytes. ;)
[06:14] <Mez> Riddell: uploading to REVU
[06:16] <Riddell> Mez: icecream?
[06:16] <Riddell> or k3b-i18n?
[06:16] <Mez> huh?
[06:16] <Riddell> no, it was JRe looking at icecream
[06:16] <Mez> k3b-i18n
[06:16] <Mez> ah lol
[07:42] <\sh> Riddell: ping...does it make sense to rebuild kde apps for cxx trans after your uploads? ,-)
[07:45] <Riddell> \sh: how do you mean?
[07:47] <\sh> Riddell: we have some kde apps to rebuild because of the cxx transition...and I'm asking if I should w8 for the surprise? or can I just rebuild without any hassle?
[07:47] <\sh> updating to the latest libs?
[07:48] <Riddell> \sh: it shouldn't make a difference going from kdelibs 3.4.1 to kdelibs 3.4.2 so you should be fine to upload
[07:48] <\sh> thx :)
[07:48] <Riddell> \sh: who is we and what are the apps?
[08:12] <Mez> digikam in breezy yet
[08:12] <Riddell> is that a question?
[08:12] <\sh> Riddell: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps
[08:12] <Mez> er
[08:12] <Mez> maybe
[08:14] <allee> Mez: digikam & co gets love at this very moment ;)
[08:14] <Mez> lol
[08:14] <Mez> kool
[08:15] <allee> preliminary pkgs build on breezy last night but I've to finish license/copyright review :(
[08:16] <Mez> digikam = pretty b0rke din hoary
[08:16] <allee> Mez: in forum you'll find my hoary repo that fixes it ;)
[08:17] <Mez> allee... link?
[08:17] <allee> http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary/Pkgs.php
[09:23] <Mez> you gonna build 3.4.2 for hoary ?
[09:23] <Riddell> Mez|likescheese: yes
[09:24] <Mez|French> w00t :d
[09:24] <Mez|French> hehehehe :D
[09:24] <Mez|French> good
[09:24] <Mez|French> :D
[09:24] <Mez> cant wait
[09:24] <Mez> is 3.4.2 gonna go into breezy?
[09:25] <\sh> Mez: when it's backported to hoary...what do u think? ,-)
[09:25] <Mez> btw allee your repos still dont work
[09:25] <Mez> \sh is it being backported though?
[09:25] <allee> Mez: eh?  I used them yesterday no problem
[09:25] <Mez> and \sh I thoght there was an upstram version freeze
[09:25] <allee> Mez: what goes wrong on your side
[09:26] <Mez> allee, try anything under "my tags"
[09:26] <Mez> and it errors
[09:26] <\sh> Mez: I think it has to go in ... and riddell will get the permission
[09:27] <Mez> doesnt that mean everything needs a rebuild against 3.4.2
[09:28] <\sh> nope...it's not breaking the binary format of the libs
[09:29] <Mez> hmm.
[09:29] <Mez> oh yeah, can use things with libs from before
[09:29] <Mez> but, cant use things with libs from after
[09:30] <\sh> Mez: between 3.4.1 and 3.4.2 shouldn't be any bigger changes..bugfixes, polishing, but not many new things, riddell stop me before I'm writing nonsense
[09:31] <Riddell> bugfixes only, binary compatiblity is kept of course
[09:31] <Riddell> no string changes
[09:32] <Mez> fair enogh
[09:32] <allee> Mez: almost-ready 0.7.4 debs have no problem with tags.  I'll downgrade to 0.7.2 later.  Right now I need working 0.7.4
[09:32] <allee> + for love ;)
[09:33] <Mez> well, they just say the protocol sint recognised
[09:34] <allee> oh?  Care to logout in?  Maybe io-slave don't get picked up dynamicly update.  Anything in ~/.xsession-error?
[09:34] <Mez> meh, too much hassle for a logout at the mo
[09:34] <Mez> building
[09:35] <allee> Mez: 'k (hint: you need a testuser account for display :1)
[09:35] <Mez> o_O
[10:01] <Riddell> tech board, #ubuntu-meeting, now
[10:14] <Mez> Riddell, I'm assuming you're there for me?
[10:15] <Riddell> I'm always here for you baby
[10:21] <Mez> o_O
[10:21] <Mez> dont let Emily hear you say that
[11:43] <\sh> Riddell: thx for all :)
[11:43] <Riddell> very welcome
[11:50] <allee> \sh, Mez: contratulation!
[11:50] <Mez> ty :D
[11:50] <allee> congratulation even
[11:53] <\sh> thx :)


[00:35] <saiarcot895> Hi. Can someone nominate bug #1455275 for Trusty and Precise?
[02:29] <saiarcot895> bump


[05:20] <Kilos> morning all
[05:20] <Kilos> wb inetpro big job?
[05:20] <inetpro> Kilos: good morning
[05:20] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro Jou werk goed het gedooi boetie. lekker slaap" 10 hours, 17 minutes and 55 seconds ago
[05:21] <inetpro> Kilos: no, more like a unplanned power failure in the data centre
[05:21] <Kilos> ai!
[05:22] <inetpro> at least I'm alive again
[05:22] <Kilos> looks like we gonna have a bad winter when it comes to power probs
[05:22] <Kilos> yeah
[05:27] <Trixar_za> Oops, start of next month is Wednesday, not Thursday
[05:27] <Trixar_za> I really suck at remembering which months end on 31 days :P
[05:32] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za me too
[05:32] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[05:33] <Trixar_za> Well, it does make it easier to last only two more days
[05:33] <Trixar_za> On 50MB :P
[05:33] <Kilos> peeps do that thing with their knuckles but i never know with which one to start
[05:34] <Kilos> ai! i got 400m night surfer thats gonna expire
[05:40] <Trixar_za> Time to download something then
[05:40] <Kilos> ya but what
[05:40] <Kilos> and to stay up till then
[05:40] <Kilos> whew
[05:41] <Trixar_za> I don't know. I'd probably download an adventure game that works with ScummVM
[05:41] <Trixar_za> like broken sword or something
[05:41] <Kilos> my pc battles with games
[05:41] <Kilos> modern one anyway
[05:41] <Kilos> ones
[05:41] <Trixar_za> It was made in 1996 I think
[05:42] <Trixar_za> http://scummvm.org/compatibility/
[05:42] <Kilos> ty
[05:42] <Trixar_za> I'm slowly collecting the games on that list
[05:44] <Trixar_za> But I've always been an Adventure game fan
[05:44] <Trixar_za> Started with Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
[05:44] <Trixar_za> :P
[05:44] <Kilos> do i nead a vm then
[05:44] <Kilos> need
[05:45] <Kilos> or will it work in ubuntu
[05:48] <Trixar_za> It works with Ubuntu
[05:48] <Trixar_za> ScummVM is a cross-platform emulator
[05:48] <Trixar_za> Well, not exactly an emulator, it reimplements the game engine so it works on multiple platforms
[05:49] <Trixar_za> You just really need the game's data files to play them using ScummVM
[05:49] <Kilos> oh so i dont need virtualbox or something
[05:50] <Kilos> pc too slow for that
[05:57] <Trixar_za> Nope, just ScummVM, which should be in Ubuntu's repository
[05:58] <Trixar_za> You can also download the latest version from the website
[05:58] <Kilos> lekker ty. but none of them are over 90% what does that mean
[05:59] <Trixar_za> Just means they are completeable, but may have minor bugs
[05:59] <Trixar_za> Like visual or music issues
[05:59] <Trixar_za> Nothing game breaking though
[05:59] <Kilos> oi
[05:59] <Kilos> i always turn off music
[06:00] <Kilos> will try one tonight if i can stay up
[06:42] <Squirm> morning
[06:42] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:45] <Squirm> I feel like I need a weekend
[06:46] <Kilos> lol another one
[06:46] <Kilos> you need to work to get over your weekends
[06:52] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday HawkiesZA
[06:52] <HawkiesZA> 'ello
[06:53] <maiatoday> hi Kilos HawkiesZA
[06:54] <Squirm> Kilos: no, I need a weekend away. from work and certain people
[06:54] <Kilos> aha
[06:55] <HawkiesZA> Somewhere where the nothing grows 10 feet high
[06:56] <Kilos> haha
[07:01] <deegee_1> hi all
[07:05] <Kilos> hi deegee_1
[07:05] <HawkiesZA> hi deegee_1
[07:06] <Kilos> did you trip the power there last night?
[07:06] <Kilos> hehe
[07:19] <deegee_1> o/
[07:20] <HawkiesZA> \o
[07:20] <deegee_1> anyone using gnome-boxes?
[07:22] <deegee_1> https://live.gnome.org/Boxes/
[07:30] <inetpro> Kilos: did you check your 8ta balance yet?
[07:31] <Kilos> nope will check now ty for the reminder inetpro
[07:31] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:31] <Kilos> wbb
[07:32] <Vince-0> hi Kilos
[07:37] <Kilos> no change inetpro only lucky peeps get given free data
[07:38] <Kilos> and still 450m to expire month end
[07:38] <Kilos> sigh
[07:38] <Kilos> night surfer that is
[07:38] <Kilos> grrr
[07:54] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[07:56] <superfly> hi
[08:09] <inetpro> Kilos: how did you check, using USSD on mobile phone?
[08:09] <Kilos> mobile
[08:09] <inetpro> hmm... interesting
[08:09] <Kilos> where you see ussd
[08:09] <inetpro> guess I'll have to check mine like that as well
[08:09] <inetpro> I checked on the web
[08:10] <Kilos> oh on the site
[08:10] <inetpro> http://8ta.com/login/
[08:11] <Kilos> ty
[08:16] <Kilos> ai! then i gotta register there
[08:16] <inetpro> Kilos: see: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6p67ndx34nxib1a/8taDataReset_20130429.png
[08:19] <Kilos> is that how you get feedback if registered
[08:21] <tonberryE352> i just go to http://onnet.8ta.com/ and it spits out the remaining airtime/bundles
[08:21] <tonberryE352> without needing to register
[08:21] <tonberryE352> but it is not known for its great stability...
[08:23] <Kilos> ty tonberryE352
[08:23] <Kilos> lemme look that way
[08:24] <inetpro> Kilos: yes and more...
[08:24] <inetpro> you can purchase bundles from there after having loaded airtime
[08:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:25] <Kilos> what a schlep, sim is registered to sister
[08:26] <inetpro> Redeem Airtime Voucher, Credit Card Airtime TopUp, Purchase Bundle, ...
[08:26] <inetpro> ... Link another account , Manage Subscriptions
[08:27] <Kilos> so gotta register as sis
[08:27] <Kilos> ai!
[08:27] <tonberryE352> strange, mine just worked without any registration
[08:28] <inetpro> tonberryE352: surely you must have registered at some point?
[08:29] <tonberryE352> nope
[08:29] <inetpro> maybe it's the onnet option that works without registering
[08:31] <tonberryE352> prepaid vs contract maybe?
[08:33] <Kilos> onnet doesnt show me a data balance but shows airtime on sim
[08:38] <inetpro> hmm...
[08:38] <inetpro> tonberryE352: you have a contract?
[08:38] <tonberryE352> no
[08:38]  * inetpro is on prepaid
[08:38]  * tonberryE352 is as well
[08:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[09:04] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1.2GB to do-release-upgrade
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> think i'll pass for now thanks :-/
[09:21] <Kilos> ouch
[09:21] <Kilos> the iso is 800 meg
[09:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, but i have a decent number of packages installed on top of the base install
[09:23] <Kilos> ouch
[09:25] <inetpro> eish!
[09:26] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: that is quite a lot
[09:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think its time for a clean install
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> this was an Ubuntu install and then i installed xubuntu-desktop on top of it, so its more bloated than it ought to be
[09:28] <inetpro> ah
[09:28] <inetpro> makes sense
[09:38] <Kilos> i like clean installs better than upgrades
[09:38] <Kilos> i find upgrades dont run as well as clean installs
[09:38] <Kilos> but then i always have a se[erate /home
[09:38] <Kilos> seperate
[09:38] <Kilos> ai!
[09:38] <Kilos> separate
[09:43] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[10:10] <Kilos> hi morgs
[10:10] <morgs> hi
[10:32] <Kilos> inetpro, did you get free data?
[10:33] <inetpro> Kilos: I wish
[10:33] <Kilos> lol see apartheaid lives
[10:33] <inetpro> apartheaid lives?
[10:33] <Kilos> wonder why them others got
[10:34] <Kilos> apartheid
[10:34] <inetpro> nee man, waarvan praat jy?
[10:34] <Kilos> selective customers
[10:34] <Kilos> why they got and we didnt
[10:34] <inetpro> did you not see my screenshot?
[10:34] <Kilos> oh ya
[10:35] <Kilos> that dropbox thing
[10:35] <inetpro> yep
[10:35] <Kilos> not fair what did we do wrong
[10:37] <inetpro> Kilos: according to that screenshot I got 12+6
[10:38] <Kilos> aw that all
[10:38] <Kilos> well i got niks
[10:39] <inetpro> I'm sure it's just a system error
[10:40] <inetpro> my USSD will probably show the correct number
[10:40] <Kilos> doesnt matter. they gotta spread the error to all customers
[10:43] <Kilos> nhot just the pretty ones
[10:43] <Kilos> hehe
[10:43] <Kilos> not
[11:14] <Kilos> whew takes forever to register there at 8ta
[11:14] <Kilos> before they send you your username
[11:22] <Kilos> nee man something must be wrong there
[11:22] <Kilos> grrr
[11:47] <Kilos> tonberryE352, do you see data balance at onnet?
[11:47] <Kilos> i see only airtime
[11:48] <tonberryE352> i usually do
[11:48] <tonberryE352> not at home now so cant check
[11:49] <Kilos> ok ty
[12:10] <nuvolari> o/
[12:10] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[12:10] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[12:10] <nuvolari> Gaan dit goed?
[12:10] <Kilos> ja dankie en jy?
[12:34] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom
[12:34] <nuvolari> sien uit na die surprise vakansiedag
[12:34] <nuvolari> woensdag
[12:34] <Kilos> watse surprise
[12:35] <Kilos> gebeur daar iets grand by jou
[13:32] <magespawn> afternoon all
[13:38] <magespawn> Kilos: are you around?
[13:38] <voyager42> o/
[13:38] <Kilos> yessir
[13:38] <Kilos> hi voyager42
[13:39] <Kilos> just foned 8ta
[13:39] <voyager42> I just heard about the Randburg release party
[13:39] <voyager42> any organisers here?
[13:39] <Kilos> good.
[13:39] <Kilos> lemme look
[13:39] <magespawn> Kilos: what is the command to rsync an iso?
[13:40] <Kilos> i dont see any of them here at the moment
[13:40] <voyager42> I just downloaded the iso yesterday :-/
[13:40] <Kilos> sec i find it mage
[13:40] <Kilos> zsync actually
[13:40] <Kilos> voyager42, stay here this is our help channel
[13:40] <voyager42> I'm keen to setup a dual boot with Win8 and i'm a bit scared so I thought it might be a good chance to do ti.
[13:41] <Kilos> its easy
[13:41] <Kilos> when you boot from cd it will ask if you want to run alongside windows
[13:41] <voyager42> I've done it many times before, but first time with win8 UEFI etc.
[13:42] <Kilos> just boot from dvd and go with install then it will give the alongside option
[13:42] <voyager42> ok. will give it a try before the weekend and if I run into issues I might come knocking.
[13:43] <Kilos> you welcome here anytime
[13:44] <Kilos> magespawn, zsync -i ubuntu.iso http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[13:44] <voyager42> thanks... work network has irc issues but I always forget about webirc...  this is a pretty nice one.
[13:45] <Kilos> oh you wanna rsync to or from somewhere
[13:45] <Kilos> sorry man
[13:46] <Kilos> sudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ /path to whereever
[13:46] <Kilos> magespawn, tell me what you wanna do?
[13:47] <Kilos> voyager have you tried xchat in windows and see if it then works on irc?
[13:48] <Kilos> some guys use mirc too i think
[13:48] <voyager42> I'm on a linux box at work and there are firewall issues.
[13:49] <Kilos> ai!
[13:49] <Kilos> killem
[13:49] <Kilos> hehe
[13:50] <voyager42> speaking of which... has anyone had issues doing a dist-upgrade?  I am on quetzal and tried to dist-upgrade (from cmd line and using Software Updater gui).
[13:51] <voyager42> Software Updater shows an upgrade available but it just fails silently after I click the button
[13:51] <Kilos> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:51] <Kilos> in cli
[13:52] <Kilos> or do you want to upgrade to the next release
[13:53] <Kilos> it should offer that choice in update-manager
[13:54] <inetpro> Kilos: remind me later to tell you about me chicken thief
[13:54] <Kilos> ok inetpro
[13:57] <voyager42> Kilos: it gives me the choice but after that nothing happens
[13:57] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[13:57] <Kilos> inetpro, ideas^^
[13:58] <voyager42> Trying to get debug - I'm might drop off for a bit.
[13:58] <Kilos> np
[13:59] <Kilos> the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade only does the kernel stuff on your existing release i think
[14:01] <inetpro> How To Upgrade Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) To 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) (Desktop & Server)  http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-12.10-quantal-quetzal-to-13.04-raring-ringtail-desktop-and-server
[14:01] <Kilos> ty
[14:04] <superfly> meh
[14:04] <superfly> don't dist-upgrade
[14:04] <superfly> that's what the do-release-upgrade tool is for
[14:04] <Kilos> oh my
[14:05] <Kilos> please give the command superfly so i can help him when he returns
[14:05] <superfly> voyager42: you shouldn't be using dist-upgrade
[14:05] <superfly> voyager42: use "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[14:05] <voyager42> Kilos: why not?
[14:06] <voyager42> I tried that too, but only after trying dist-upgrade
[14:06] <Kilos> the fly is an expert voyager42
[14:06] <voyager42> s/Kilos/superfly
[14:06] <superfly> voyager42: it's me, not Kilos, and it's because do-release-upgrade does some "magic" behind the scenes to ensure you aren't left with a broken upgrade
[14:06] <Kilos> lol
[14:07] <voyager42> and update-manager?  doesn't that call do-release-upgrade anyway?
[14:07] <superfly> voyager42: I've done a dist-upgrade before, but it is not recommended
[14:07] <superfly> voyager42: yes, it does.
[14:07] <voyager42> I've done dist-upgrade since 10.04 :-/
[14:08] <voyager42> superfly: does do-release-upgrade have debug that I can enable?
[14:09] <superfly> voyager42: I don't know
[14:09] <superfly> voyager42: have you tried just the do-release-upgrade to see if it gives you any additional information?
[14:09] <voyager42> $ do-release-upgrade -c Checking for a new Ubuntu release No new release found
[14:10] <superfly> voyager42: have you already changed your sources.list file?
[14:10] <voyager42> lsb_release  -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 12.10 Release:	12.10 Codename:	quantal
[14:10] <voyager42> superfly: no
[14:10] <superfly> you can try do-release-upgrade -d
[14:11] <superfly> voyager42: also check your update settings in your software sources
[14:11] <voyager42> saem result
[14:11] <voyager42> *same
[14:13] <voyager42> thanks for listening... I'll try in a different location.
[14:15] <magespawn> Kilos i downloaded a partial iso, but managed to get 1.2gig of a 2.2gig file
[14:15] <Kilos> oh my
[14:15] <Kilos> you didnt wget it hey?
[14:16] <Kilos> wget with -c adds whats missing
[14:16] <superfly> voyager42: if you already started with a dist-upgrade, why not just continue on?
[14:16] <Kilos> but if you have the iso one your desktop that zsync command should update it i think
[14:27] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[14:28] <magespawn> will try the wget and see
[14:28] <Kilos> yw magespawn hope it works
[14:29] <Kilos> i think you gotta do wget from the start. i like wget. net probs dont waste your data
[15:37] <Kilos> hi henkj
[15:38] <Kilos> if im not here and voyager2 comes back get him ti join the mailing list please guys there is info on the jhb release party
[15:39] <Kilos> oh its 42
[15:40] <Kilos> he just joined us on twitter
[15:41] <Kilos> 20 mins ThatGraemeGuy
[15:41] <Kilos> nearly home time
[15:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> i rebooted my htpc earlier and it didn't come back
[15:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> wife just got home and kicked it in the pants
[15:42] <Kilos> lol
[15:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> so my bouncer was dead
[15:43] <Kilos> handy wife you got
[15:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> she rebooted it
[15:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> very windowsy wife i've got :)
[15:44] <Kilos> shame
[15:44] <Kilos> not many women go linux unless they are geeks
[15:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> or married to us, more likely
[15:45] <Kilos> lol
[16:22] <inetpro> so Kilos, what is it that eats a mother hen with week old chicks right from the nest?
[16:23] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[16:23] <Kilos> was she away from the hokke
[16:23]  * inetpro has lost about 5 grownup chickens in the last few weeks
[16:23] <inetpro> in the coup
[16:24] <Kilos> they just gone or are there feathers and bits and pieces
[16:24] <inetpro> very very few feathers
[16:24] <Cantide> merekat?
[16:24] <Kilos> you got dogs?
[16:24] <inetpro> not a lot of traces, but clearly some very few bones and feathers
[16:25] <Kilos> merekat normally steals eggs
[16:25] <inetpro> no its not dogs
[16:25] <Kilos> no man have you got dogs
[16:25] <Kilos> yes or no
[16:25] <Cantide> ah, we had a dog that used to eat our chickens
[16:25] <inetpro> yes I have dogs but it's not teh dogs for sure
[16:26] <inetpro> I know exactly what it is now
[16:26] <Kilos> do they bark on the nights hens disappear
[16:26] <superfly> inetpro: it's that massive snake :-P
[16:26] <inetpro> not much that I could figure it out
[16:26] <Kilos> lol
[16:27] <Kilos> might be one of them bigger cats
[16:27]  * inetpro moet seker die aap uit die mou laat
[16:27] <Kilos> rooikat
[16:27] <Kilos> your garden boy
[16:27] <inetpro> there's a clue for you Kilos
[16:27] <Kilos> come on man why ask if you know
[16:27] <inetpro> bobbejaan se kind
[16:27] <Kilos> where is the clue
[16:27] <Kilos> lol
[16:28] <inetpro> 'n very small monkey with a long tail
[16:28] <Kilos> normally they dont steal where they work but they inform others where to go
[16:28] <Kilos> wow
[16:28] <Kilos> did you see it
[16:28] <inetpro> been seen eating my mealies by the gardener and now this weekend my son spotted him
[16:29] <Kilos> shoot it
[16:29] <Cantide> vervet?
[16:29] <inetpro> a very skelm monkey this one
[16:29] <Kilos> but surely when it grabs the hen the hen will scream
[16:30] <Kilos> and at night?
[16:30] <Kilos> they normally sleep at night
[16:30] <inetpro> well I seriously have not heard any commotion
[16:31] <Kilos> hang some poisoned bananas up and see
[16:31] <inetpro> have now closed the coup some more but it's a big hassle to close and open every day
[16:31] <Kilos> eish
[16:32] <inetpro> like on Saturday I was late
[16:32] <inetpro> locked them up just after sunset and didn't realise that this thing got in and grabbed three chickens already
[16:33] <Kilos> ya monkeys jol in the day time
[16:33] <inetpro> only noticed yesterday that some three chickens were gone again with a few feathers here and there
[16:34] <Kilos> wow
[16:34] <Kilos> normally they steal fruit and veggies
[16:34] <inetpro> very windgat this one
[16:35] <inetpro> will now have to make some plan to catch it
[16:35] <Kilos> poison or shotgun
[16:35] <Kilos> not easy to trap a monkey methinks
[16:36] <inetpro> I think it was about three weeks now since I closed properly, so Saturday he must have been very hungry and took his chances
[16:36] <Kilos> or leave a smallish entrance and string 220v wires there so it cant get in without touching them both
[16:37] <Cantide> either that or you'll have roast chicken in the morning :)
[16:37] <Kilos> lol
[16:37] <inetpro> the first one he grabbed (the hen with chicks on the nest) really had me thinking
[16:38] <Kilos> weird that
[16:38] <Kilos> only one cure. kill it before it teaches the whole tribe
[16:38] <inetpro> there were very few traces of anything, so much so that I thought it had to be a human
[16:39] <inetpro> but humans won't catch a hen with chicks
[16:39] <Kilos> well according to eveolutionist we come from them
[16:39] <inetpro> now you coming with stories
[16:39] <Kilos> but evolutionists dont say why all the monkeys didnt evolve
[16:40] <Kilos> string 220v wires man
[16:41] <inetpro> that sounds dangerous
[16:41] <Kilos> for the monkey ya
[16:42] <Kilos> 2 planks fastened either side of the gap with bare wires across and an extension cord to connect it to
[16:42] <Kilos> very easy
[16:43] <inetpro> Cantide: my son says it looked more like a nagapie to him, not a vervet
[16:43] <Kilos> bare wires tween planks and from them insulated wire with a plug on to plug into extension
[16:43] <inetpro> not sure what you call a nagapie in the lingo
[16:43] <Kilos> wow so small stealing whole fowls
[16:43] <Kilos> or bantams
[16:43] <Kilos> ?
[16:43] <inetpro> bantams
[16:43] <Kilos> eish
[16:44] <Kilos> string wires
[16:44] <Kilos> if it dont kill it will at least teach it that you coop is a nono
[16:45] <inetpro> ahh, bush baby
[16:45] <Kilos> someones pet that escaped
[16:46] <inetpro> said it has a bushy tail
[16:46] <Kilos> eish and chickens cost bucks
[16:49] <Kilos> farming is tough hey inetpro
[16:50] <inetpro> Kilos: very
[16:50] <Kilos> the larger monkeys without tails steal sheep
[16:50] <inetpro> always more challenges
[16:50] <Kilos> yip
[17:19] <trender> how does a monkey steal a sheep :)
[17:20] <trender> sounds like you have a king kong problem there
[17:20] <Kilos> carefully and quickly
[17:20] <Cantide> with a bakkie
[17:22] <Kilos> lol
[17:35] <Kilos> hi not_found
[17:35] <not_found> Uncle Kilos , how are you?|!?!
[17:35] <Kilos> good ty not_found and you?
[17:36] <not_found> alive... kicking a bit also
[17:36] <confluency> We don't "come from" monkeys; we and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor.
[17:37] <confluency> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution
[17:39] <not_found> >..
[17:39] <not_found> >.>
[17:40] <Kilos> hehe
[17:57]  * not_found installing Debian on his Android phone so he can linux while he linux'sesews
[17:58] <Kilos> nice
[18:11] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:11] <inetpro> looks like 8ta is not so generous after all
[18:11] <Kilos> why?
[18:11] <inetpro> seems there system is fixed again
[18:12] <Tonberry_> their coding skills just suck
[18:12] <Kilos> i foned and battled to get to the data peeps
[18:12] <inetpro> no more free data
[18:12] <Kilos> lol
[18:12] <Kilos> kept going to wrong place
[18:12] <Kilos> called 183 and they kept telling me to call 183
[18:12] <Kilos> duh
[18:13] <Kilos> eventually they managed to get a transfer through that didnt disconnect
[18:13] <Kilos> took 8 phone calls
[18:14] <Kilos> now wait for them to call back
[18:14] <inetpro> South Africa’s biggest ADSL bandwidth hogs http://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/76188-south-africas-biggest-adsl-bandwidth-hogs.html?utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer:%2BjanvZA%2Bon%2Btwitter&buffer_share=fe4c3
[18:15] <inetpro> sad to see 11 people using more than 500GB a month
[18:15] <Kilos> whew
[18:15] <inetpro> and 122 using between 100 and 500 GB
[18:16] <Kilos> wow i wonder what they do
[18:17] <Kilos> watch and download movies 24/7
[18:19] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[18:19] <Vince-0> 'eve
[18:20] <not_found> k-pop style - http://youtu.be/Ihi_kJJj_8A
[18:21] <Cantide> heh
[18:21] <Cantide> 2NE1 :)
[18:21] <not_found> ftw :p
[18:22] <Cantide> I like I am the best
[18:22] <Cantide> and ... umm..
[18:22] <Cantide> ah, I love you
[18:22] <not_found> my three faves too :p
[18:22] <not_found> scary >.>
[18:23] <Cantide> awesome music videos - props, costumes, everything '-'
[18:23] <Cantide> not_found, do you like SISTAR?
[18:23] <Cantide> check out SISTAR19 - Gone not around any longer
[18:23] <not_found> don't know
[18:23] <Cantide> and SISTAR19 - Ma Boy
[18:23] <not_found> kk, will do thanks :)
[18:23] <not_found> Cantide, specific song?
[18:24] <Cantide> Gone not around any longer
[18:24] <Cantide> and Ma Boy!
[18:24] <not_found> ah busy buffering as I type :p
[18:24] <Trixar_za> I propose the adaption of the UGT: http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
[18:24] <Cantide> :)
[18:24] <Cantide> you might like 2NE1 a little less, for that I apologise
[18:25] <not_found> nah - I am the best is awesome
[18:26] <Cantide> :p
[18:26] <Cantide> 내가 잴잘나가 or something
[18:26] <not_found> haha
[18:27] <Cantide> my Korean still sucks :p
[18:29] <Kilos> i go rest some
[18:29] <not_found> night
[18:30] <Kilos> no i wanna try download some after 11pm but need to lie down now
[18:30] <Kilos> old age you know
[18:33] <Cantide> not_found, what do you think of SISTAR19 ?
[18:33] <not_found> sorry got distracted with http://youtu.be/3brcfttchzA
[18:33] <not_found> will finish after
[18:33] <Cantide> :p
[18:35] <not_found> floor <3
[18:35] <not_found> she must become a member of nightwish!!!
[18:35] <Cantide> >_>
[18:35]  * Cantide is more interested in 혀린 and 보라
[18:36] <not_found> I enjoy my k-pop but I enjoy other things more :p
[18:36] <Cantide> hehe
[18:36] <Cantide> yeah
[18:36] <Cantide> I was listening to a lot of Rammstein earlier
[18:38]  * not_found is still a fan... but their older things I enjoy more than the latest stuff
[18:38] <Cantide> yeah
[18:39] <Cantide> well, some of the later stuff is really good
[18:39] <Cantide> but just recently i stopped liking it
[18:39] <Cantide> listening to "Hilf mir" now :)
[18:39] <not_found> sistar is ok.. but I do believe this is slightly better - http://youtu.be/bw9CALKOvAI :
[18:39] <not_found> :p
[18:39] <Cantide> no way :p
[18:40] <Cantide> bubble pop is more "fun", sure
[18:40] <Cantide> but i find SISTAR to be a little more serious
[18:40] <Cantide> and more artistic
[18:40] <not_found> k-pop != serious
[18:40] <Cantide> hahaha
[18:40] <Cantide> try Aquibird :p
[18:40] <not_found> http://youtu.be/ASO_zypdnsQ
[18:40] <Cantide> lol
[18:40] <Cantide> of course Psy's image is mischief
[18:41] <not_found> that is as serious as I will go
[18:41] <Cantide> he thrives on not being serious :p
[18:41] <Cantide> hehe
[18:41] <Cantide> i like things that are less superficial
[18:41]  * Cantide shrugs
[18:41] <not_found> :)
[18:41] <Cantide> probably why i like Rammstein a lot
[18:41] <Cantide> to each their own :p
[18:42] <not_found> trust me I spent $200 dollars on itunes this month and only two songs where k-pop :p
[18:42] <Cantide> lol
[18:42] <Cantide> yeah, I have like 10 kpop songs
[18:42] <Cantide> out of my 1500-odd
[18:42] <Cantide> but they are slowly growing
[18:42] <Cantide> as i'm exposed to more kpop >.<
[18:42] <not_found> mostly symphonic metal and a few hard rock bands I liked from the 80's
[18:43] <Cantide> oh, hence the Nightwish
[18:43] <not_found> and i increased my iron maiden collection just because :p
[18:43] <Cantide> lol
[18:43] <Cantide> that brings back memories
[18:43] <not_found> I will be listening to the irons in 20 years... not sure about psy
[18:44] <Cantide> of course
[18:44] <Cantide> it all comes down to artistic value and depth, imho
[18:44] <Cantide> of which psy has zero
[18:44] <Cantide> but he is fun
[18:44] <Cantide> like HyunA :p
[18:44] <not_found> bought the latest concert on itunes... mistake... stupid drm can't watch it on anything else than itunes >.<
[18:44] <Cantide> haha
[18:45] <Cantide> thanks for confirming why i don't use itunes or anything apple :p
[18:45] <not_found> at least the music is transferrable
[18:45] <not_found> or copy-able
[18:45] <not_found> I will find a way of killing the drm...
[18:45] <not_found> there is always a way
[18:45] <Cantide> yeah
[18:45] <Cantide> you could always play it and record internal audio
[18:45] <Cantide> might lose quality though, not sure
[18:46] <Cantide> also, recording video is less suitable
[18:46] <not_found> I have all the songs.. I like to watch the concerts (why I got it :P)
[18:47] <Cantide> :p
[18:47] <not_found> http://youtu.be/O-8mnVqhKNw >.<>
[18:48] <Cantide> w.. what is this.. i don't even..
[18:50] <not_found> +1
[18:56] <not_found> cheers all
[18:57] <inetpro> hello not_found
[18:57] <Cantide> good bye~
[18:57] <Cantide> i'm now watching waveya on youtube
[18:57]  * Cantide blames not_found
[18:57] <inetpro> and here's a new screenshot of my 8ta bundles https://www.dropbox.com/s/ajnda6o6nd55ed6/8taDataBundle_20130429.jpg
[18:58] <inetpro> now the sad part here is that it seems I will loose a 1GB of data tomorrow
[18:59] <inetpro> looks like a Once-off Telkom Mobile Night Surfer Data expiring in May has activated before the one expiring tomorrow
[19:02] <Cantide> ah
[19:02] <Cantide> one of my friends emailed them and complained about that
[19:02] <Cantide> wasting data that will expire later
[19:02] <Cantide> not fair :p
[19:03] <Cantide> i'm not sure what their response was
[19:05] <Cantide> good night
[19:05] <Cantide> '-'/
[19:19] <magespawn> evening all
[19:21] <inetpro> good evening magespawn
[19:22] <magespawn> or good morning (in UGT - Trix[a]r_za)
[19:23] <magespawn> inetpro: i thought i was using a lot when i got up to 26-28 gigs a month
[19:28] <inetpro> magespawn: yep, I don't know how anyone can use that much
[19:29] <inetpro> no wonder our networks are slow
[19:57] <magespawn> well i can using that much now and then maybe, but where do you store that much data on anregular basis?
[19:58] <magespawn> ^see
[19:59] <magespawn> is there much difference between centos and ubuntu?
[19:59] <superfly> yes
[19:59] <superfly> centos is redhat-based and ubuntu is debian-based
[19:59] <magespawn> but from a user point of view?
[20:00] <superfly> inetpro: the speed of our networks has nothing to do with how much bandwidth is consumed
[20:00] <superfly> magespawn: centos is chiefly a server distro, why would you use it as a desktop?
[20:00] <inetpro> superfly: uh, why you saying that?
[20:00] <inetpro> oh
[20:01] <magespawn> i am not, just watching a video on nagios and the install machine is running centos
[20:01] <inetpro> superfly: well if it is over utilised surely it will effectively slow down
[20:01] <inetpro> only so much that can fit through the pipe at any one point
[20:02] <superfly> inetpro: the problem is it is NOT over utilised
[20:02] <superfly> inetpro: we have bandwidth coming out of our ears, compared to a few years ago
[20:02] <inetpro> oh sure in certain areas, but not everywhere
[20:03] <superfly> inetpro: OK, true, it depends on your local exchange, but still, amount of data != throughput
[20:03] <inetpro> agreed
[20:09] <magespawn> okay so the differences are mainly with things like package managers and default setups? but same basic principles apply
[20:11] <magespawn> i think i am quite lucky on the adsl exchange front, not many users here in hluhluwe
[20:26] <superfly> magespawn: indeed, you're dealing with rpm instead of deb, not sure what the package management tool is, and like I said, centos is usually a server distro (hence why they're installing nagios on it)
[20:27] <magespawn> yum is the package manager
[20:29] <magespawn> will dig up instructions for ubuntu server, do not want to change all of that now
[20:29] <magespawn> love the names people come up with for things
[20:41] <trender> evening people
[20:41] <trender> looks like kilos fell asleep connected to mirc :)
[20:42] <trender> oke is gonna burn his cellphone out :)
[20:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:43] <Kilos> i was just lying down man
[20:43] <Kilos> and i use xchat or konversation not mirc
[20:44] <Kilos> magespawn, you here?
[20:44] <trender> sorry meant irc
[20:44] <Kilos> lol
[20:44] <trender> :P~~~
[20:44] <magespawn> yup Kilos still here
[20:45] <Kilos> did you get that iso updated
[20:47] <magespawn> nah but did not try yet, had to get home, had info on pc for fish one afrikaans speech
[20:48] <Kilos> ok lets think on it tomorrow
[20:48] <Kilos> put the iso on your desktop then use the zsync first
[20:49] <Kilos> if its a buntu iso it should work i think
[20:50] <magespawn> no it is kali linux
[20:50] <Kilos> oh my
[20:50] <magespawn> but it is debian based
[20:51] <Kilos> maybe you can modify the command to suit. i had to get help from the crash kid
[20:51] <Kilos> what you gonna do with that
[20:51] <magespawn> will try
[20:51] <Kilos> or maybe even the wget
[20:52] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[20:52] <inetpro> Kilos: pomg
[20:52] <Kilos> can wget complete a download it didnt start?
[20:52] <Kilos> dont tell me man wget
[20:52] <magespawn> it is the new version of backtrack, it has all sorts of network tools installed by default, for testing networks
[20:52] <magespawn> busy reading that now lol
[20:53] <magespawn> inetpro did you see my g+ post about man?
[20:53] <Kilos> i know the wget -c completes a broken download
[20:54] <inetpro> Kilos: you can only try
[20:54] <Kilos> but dunno if it will do it on a download something else did
[20:54] <Kilos> tell magespawn man
[20:54] <magespawn> may have to try
[20:54] <Kilos> i just ping you to wake you up
[20:56] <inetpro> I actually doubt that it will work
[20:56] <inetpro> sorry, am busy learning a bit of iptables
[20:57] <inetpro> juggling and refreshing me memory
[20:57] <Kilos> good when i install server again you can help
[20:57] <Kilos> hehe
[20:58] <inetpro> haha
[20:58] <magespawn> wget man says the -c option will complete a download started by something else
[20:58] <inetpro> actually am trying to do some traffic accounting on my router
[20:58] <inetpro> with busybox
[20:59] <Kilos> sounds ggod that magespawn
[20:59] <magespawn> have to use the same directory and file name
[21:00] <Kilos> ya
[21:00] <Kilos> wget is a lekker tool
[21:00] <Kilos> i use it everytime i download biggish stuff
[21:01] <Kilos> the pro has to help me get the link right though most of the time
[21:07] <Kilos> Mezenir, what download manager you use in firefox
[21:08] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^
[21:08] <Kilos> magespawn, i mean
[21:09] <inetpro> Kilos: the default
[21:09] <Kilos> come on come on times awastinfg
[21:09] <Kilos> awasting
[21:09] <inetpro> ai!
[21:10] <inetpro> pragtig!
[21:10] <Kilos> what is the default? is it already there or must i add on
[21:10] <inetpro> Kilos: nothing to add
[21:10] <inetpro> just start downloading
[21:10] <Kilos> yay thank you
[21:10] <inetpro> but then
[21:10] <Kilos> wat is pragtig
[21:10] <inetpro> I got my traffic accounting to work
[21:11] <magespawn> i use downthemall, a firefox add on
[21:11] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[21:11] <inetpro> why do you want to use firefox for downloading when wget is better?
[21:11] <Kilos> dunno where to get the link here
[21:12] <Kilos> http://scummvm.org/compatibility/
[21:12] <magespawn> habit from ms days, also some sites do not give you the link just a button to click, so add them to dta then use that link to wget, also saves link to be used later
[21:14] <Kilos> oh ty
[21:23] <Kilos> lol ok
[21:24] <Kilos> i dunno where to find them games now
[21:27] <magespawn> good night owls
[21:28] <Kilos> night magespawn sleep tight
[21:59] <Kilos> night all sleep tight


[05:05] <guruprasad> nomadz, launchpad requires 16.04 or 18.04 to run. We are currently working on updating it to run on 20.04.
[08:49] <RikMills> cjwatson: the build log in this build says it was successful, but launchpad thinks it failed
[08:49] <RikMills> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms2/0.8+dfsg-22ubuntu1/+build/24194133
[08:50] <RikMills> or am I mistaken somehow?
[10:46] <cjwatson> RikMills: It's another consequence of what looks like an OpenStack fault in bos02.  https://portal.admin.canonical.com/C152249 for the record, though you won't be able to see that
[10:46] <cjwatson> RikMills: Feel free to mash retry
[10:46] <RikMills> ok, thanks :)


[07:59] <Noskcaj> Can someone please get lp:~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/argyll/merge and re-add the drop-usb-db.patch in a way it applies?
[07:59] <Noskcaj> I have no idea how the patch is working, so i can't really fix it
[08:20] <Noskcaj> Can someone retry pinba-engine-mysql on am64 and python-dmidecode on i386? Both had schroot failures
[08:22] <mitya57> Noskcaj: retried
[08:22] <Noskcaj> ty
[08:35] <Noskcaj> mdeslaur, bdmurray: Could either of you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/update-notifier/tray-notification/+merge/202210
[17:59] <tester56> will trusty use chromium by default?
[19:39] <Noskcaj> xnox, Can you re-add the drop-usb-db.patch to argyll for me? I can't get the patch to apply on the merge. https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/argyll/merge
[20:40] <brainwash> can anyone take a look at this merge proposal please?
[20:40] <brainwash> https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-power-manager/systemd/+merge/202226
[20:42] <brainwash> the bug is affecting many xubuntu/xfce users in trusty and saucy, it is literally the number 1 issue currently
[20:49] <Noskcaj> pitti, For gnome-system-tools, why would we drop gthread.patch? It's from debian and isn't hurting anything
[21:00] <Noskcaj> pitti, I've un-split g-s-t's binaries, I think the other changes you suggested aren't needed, so could you please review?


[03:10] <Takyoji> Anyone have a suggestion as an option for having a LoCo member map; just like how Launchpad previously had maps for group members?
[03:13] <JanC> Takyoji: what does it have to integrate with?
[03:14] <Takyoji> likely a common CMS system; whether it be Drupal or Wordpress; or perhaps even something custom with Django
[03:15] <JanC> Takyoji: for Drupal we have http://ubuntu-be.org/nl/supporters  ☺
[03:16] <JanC> sources are in LP somewhere, let me find it...
[03:16] <Takyoji> Ooo, OpenStreetMap
[03:16] <Takyoji> I suppose I could even write something myself as well
[03:16] <JanC> it does OSM & Google IIRC
[03:17] <Takyoji> I wonder how much the API for OSM And Google Maps differs
[03:17] <JanC> there is an API that can be used with both IIRC
[03:19] <JanC> Takyoji: https://launchpad.net/support.points.map is the project for this Drupal plugin
[03:21] <JanC> help with it would be appreciated BTW, as Pierre (our main developer) is moving to Canada  ☺
[03:24] <Takyoji> I'm not really much of a Drupal person though. :P
[03:24] <JanC> neither am I...
[03:26] <JanC> Takyoji: I'm still pondering moving to something Django-based, but that would mean I'd become the main dev, I suppose  ;)
[03:27] <Takyoji> that's what I was just suggesting to my (I'm not the team contact/leader though) LoCo team. :P
[03:28] <Takyoji> Because I'd be leaning more towards Wordpress, but the leader/contact is wary of Wordpress because of it's past security history (even though it's so much easier to theme for and more), thus I was alternately suggesting something Django-based
[03:28] <Takyoji> that's the thing about me, I've been in limbo with CMS solutions for a long time. xP
[03:28] <JanC> the problem is, I don't really want to be the only person working on it
[03:28] <Takyoji> But currently for my own clients I'm using Wordpress for them
[03:29] <Takyoji> What is the LoCo Directory developed with?
[03:29] <JanC> Django
[03:29] <Takyoji> Also, you can obviously have the source code available for your Django-based solution
[03:31] <Takyoji> would be interesting to work on making a set of tools for LoCo websites in Django. :P
[03:32] <JanC> if there would be a supported set of tools, yes
[03:42] <JanC> Takyoji: what locoteam do you belong to?
[03:43] <JanC> MN = Maine ?
[03:43]  * JanC doesn't remember all US states  ;)
[03:43] <Takyoji> Minnesota
[03:43] <JanC> ah
[03:44] <JanC> anyway, I'm going off to sleep now
[03:44] <JanC> it's 5h45 here  ;)
[03:45]  * JanC was trying to follow the ironman in hawaii despite their useless crap silverlight app...  :-(
[05:38] <mhall119> Takyoji: you can get the coe at http://launchpad.net/loco-direcory
[05:38] <Takyoji> I was only curious to see if was Python-based
[05:38] <mhall119> code
[05:44] <Takyoji> also, you mistyped the URL. :P
[10:05] <head_victim> Quick question, if someone is paying a nominal fee to hold a stand at a market, would it be acceptable to request 1-2 dollar donations for CDs distributed to Locos to cover the small cost of the stand?
[13:45] <mhall119> Takyoji: sorry, https://launchpad.net/loco-directory
[13:58] <leogg> head_victim, IMHO there's nothing wrong with accepting donations, as long as it's not a requirement for obtaining a CD
[14:20] <mhall119> head_victim: in my experience you'll get more asking for a voluntary donation than requiring a 1-2 dollar one
[14:21] <mhall119> doing that with Qimo cds, someone once stuck a $20 bill in our donation bowl for his CD
[14:21] <mhall119> you'll also get people donating without even taking a CD
[20:44] <head_victim> leogg & mhall119: thanks for the feedback, it's pretty much what I thought but wanted to make sure.
[23:32] <paultag> mhall119: could I grab some critism from you?


[01:17] <Guest43717> digikey over does it on the baggies
[02:38] <JoshuaACaseyqK> I used to have pi-hole on there but there were network issues
[02:38] <JoshuaACaseyqK> ilias_gr: few years
[02:38] <JoshuaACaseyqK> only 3b we got
[02:38] <JoshuaACaseyqK> yeah, I could recall the mouse one, but working in console with no mouse
[05:56] <synchris> I'll be damned - it does now. It's just pricey, is all.
[05:57] <synchris> linux_probe: because u no sign up for livepatch :P
[05:57] <synchris> Sorry, module
[07:48] <poptixKc>  You millennials should be put in a box and set ablaze
[07:48] <poptixKc> For the bluetooth headset you'll still be relying on the headset's DAC then, no?
[07:48] <poptixKc> just the fax mam
[07:49] <poptixKc> So just white christians and non believers will be used for organ harvesting...
[07:49] <poptixKc> fedoras :|
[07:54] <kokx`> I need about 20 people for the bots to attak the channel
[07:54] <kokx`> !rewrite_history
[07:54] <kokx`> Sitri: YOu mentioned it wasn't listed in the requirements when it was. Now go let adults talk
[07:54] <kokx`> oh no you didn't!
[07:54] <kokx`> but I did find Jik 's answer sufficient in any case.
[07:54] <kokx`> MarkB2: no need to apologize
[09:43] <verboesehY> However, I was using SPACE type partition with O&O Defrag, including "Put all folders in the beginning of the disk" ... could that be a nail in the coffin, if now all the folders for everything are wiped
[09:43] <verboesehY> so irssi's 274 MB in RAM cannot be swapped out
[09:43] <verboesehY> zumba_ad_: the entire problem and scenaio is nonsensical and suggests you're doing something wrong; see http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
[09:43] <verboesehY> i assume this is an exif rotation metadata issue, but apparently the default is to just rotate the output accordingly
[10:27] <xsdgGX> supernov3h: You shouldn't need to, unless the user has spaces in it
[10:27] <xsdgGX> and use cmake to create ninja files for building
[10:27] <xsdgGX> Hello71: nope, on ffmpeg.org site
[10:28] <xsdgGX> "Could not find module ‘Prelude’" often means you're building statically and should install the  ghc-static  package
[10:28] <xsdgGX> good idea gogeta. I'll try that
[10:49] <ManoelPL> thats really bad
[10:49] <ManoelPL> meh, lol
[11:10] <sysdeffz> Psi-Jack, trying to understand... so you got the paid version of the browser?
[11:10] <sysdeffz> That particular book is approved by many members here and is one of the "modern" texts that is actually accurate and good
[11:10] <sysdeffz> Yep, it is!
[11:33] <srjiDg> /ns ghost nickname password
[11:33] <srjiDg> There's an analog for HashSet if that's what you're using.
[11:34] <srjiDg> but android use gerrit's own review mechanisms to enforce that instead of a test bot
[13:04] <svaldezed> I guess the general idea was that it makes sense if participants of the study group already know some concepts
[13:04] <svaldezed> i still just use/like https://github.com/electroniceel/protoboard/tree/master/gerber
[13:04] <svaldezed> With an email client like mutt you can set your editor to emac, or nano or vim e.t.c
[13:04] <svaldezed> Played with the cat
[13:27] <NudelsalathX> mind if i ask... why? :p
[13:27] <NudelsalathX> a little better than srgb
[14:12] <oojacoboo> why would you amplify your packets
[14:12] <oojacoboo> Or perhaps I should say tangent vectors and cotangent vectors.
[15:20] <echelonRQ> icq didnt use for a longer time but Im sure its still in use
[15:20] <echelonRQ> do as the prompt says
[15:21] <krishandZ> hola diego
[15:21] <krishandZ> Or from a distro-secific release?
[15:21] <krishandZ> cca 500 metrics per second, one year
[15:21] <krishandZ> where i'm from, if there are white people there, it's a first world country. congrats
[15:21] <krishandZ> well, can't you pull it out?
[15:21] <krishandZ> !ops wigums aggression, abuse
[15:22] <timvisherNa> Alright jaggz, I understand. Be careful with the acetone, not sure if that goes into any pores of the material.
[15:22] <timvisherNa> ɑⅿerⅰⅽ is ᥒot doiᥒg Alⅼaһ ⅰѕ dഠing
[15:22] <timvisherNa> then irssi is stuck forever lol
[15:39] <LIndividu> i think he just has it backwards
[15:39] <LIndividu> like /j
[15:39] <LIndividu> whats `flatpak --gl-drivers` output
[15:39] <LIndividu> Corvus`, why don't you try it and come back
[15:39] <LIndividu> iCookie if he says YES so kindly continue the exploits k3k i know you are trying ;p
[17:04] <ChrisHvW> Hmm neat.  My map was something I made before I knew `:stopinsert` existed, but reading the help makes me not trust it because it says "Works like typing <Esc> in Insert mode".  Does that mean what we're seeing now will be considered a bug later?
[17:04] <ChrisHvW> So giving them the same representation is not that bad.
[17:04] <ChrisHvW> oh wow, i'm shocked!! ^^ 64 miners on hater's pool :/
[17:05] <ChrisHvW> Woah, what.
[17:05] <ChrisHvW> Monero price in USD = $101.84
[18:43] <gregabGw> darkmeson: moving configs isn't even bad. Just write a script to pull them down from a git repo
[18:43] <gregabGw> it's in `hackage-packages.nix`
[20:10] <Guest8466> pie__: Let's separate the reordering. When you are say in a do-block, you can reorder things if your monad is commutative. I mean it basically boils down to whether `a >> b` is the same as `b >> a`
[20:10] <Guest8466> there's worse than that. In (say) Coq's implementation of natural numbers, 0 - 1 = 0.
[20:37] <indeoKh> I would like to check this, how well is 32bit supported really in 16.04.  I belive the ISO's got dropped, but yeah 32bit repos then ?   Is it worth recommending someone with a 32bit system to upgrade to 18.04, properly worth it I mean ?
[20:37] <indeoKh> BluesKaj: I dont get one for swap
[21:05] <BillyZane2> dchapman: you could also try 'sudo apt -f install' to see what happens
[21:05] <BillyZane2> and 1000x more expensive too
[21:05] <BillyZane2> I KNOW they came from that thing.
[21:06] <BillyZane2> cbreak: I do.
[21:29] <explodesrI> truth be told, instead of all this bullshit talking I would have probably setup a private CA and openvpn already
[21:29] <explodesrI> most CoC forbid e-hugs, astra``
[21:29] <explodesrI> syntax match _FuncCall "\<\h\w*\>\s*(\@=" contains=_Operator,_Paren
[21:29] <explodesrI> i wonder if spring in pin breaks due heat by current or mechanical stress?
[21:29] <explodesrI> Nexilva: 'date -Iseconds' should do it
[22:53] <rns_> RandomReader: you're talking nonsense
[22:53] <rns_> Their authoritative DNS service supports DNSSEC but uses 1024-bit RSA and has a history outages (expired RRSIGs)
[23:39] <RristotleMs> directed line-of-sight stuff, isn't it
[23:39] <RristotleMs> there's some other standard location, something with Preferences


[12:51] <Ford_Prefect> Greetings folks
[12:51] <Ford_Prefect> I'm trying to build an Ubuntu-based distribution for an ARMv7 board from source
[12:51] <Ford_Prefect> Is there some documentation on how the current armel repositories are built that I can use as a starting point?
[12:53] <ogra> they are built natively on armel buildds as any other ubuntu arch, currently defaulting to ARMv5 soon defaulting to ARMv6+vfp
[12:56] <Ford_Prefect> ogra, ah, okay. I'd imagined they'd be cross-compiled.
[12:56] <Ford_Prefect> But that's not too easy, since not everything cross-compiles easily
[12:57] <ogra> right
[12:57] <Ford_Prefect> Erm, any handly links on doing this on the board?
[12:58] <ogra> i dont think so, largely its just "set up an instance of sbuild or launchpad-buildd" and be done
[12:59] <Ford_Prefect> Okay thanks - good enough starting point for me too Google. :)
[12:59] <Ford_Prefect> (and thanks for rootstock - currently trying it out here)
[13:00] <ogra> :)
[13:00] <ogra> its darn slow, i'm waiting for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/401782 to be fixed to build something faster
[13:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 401782 in qemu "please build a static version of qemu-arm 0.11.x in a separate binary deb" [Wishlist,New]
[13:03]  * Ford_Prefect waits eagerly. :)
[13:05] <Ford_Prefect> ogra, I don't suppose there are armv6+vfp binaries available yet?
[13:06] <ogra> nope, we're in the process to replace the buildds with v7 machines
[13:06] <ogra> before these are there we cant build for v6
[13:06] <Ford_Prefect> Nice. What kind of machines do you guys use?
[13:07] <ogra> currently some marvell v5 ones, the new ones are still under evaluation but will likely be imx51 based
[13:08] <Ford_Prefect> Ah, okay.
[14:55] <lool> ogra: I'm not too surprized that the fargile jaunty hacks don't survive the switch to gcc 4.4
[14:55] <ogra> well, looks more like a binutils issue though
[14:55] <ogra> i mean the error comes from ld
[14:56] <ogra> but yeah
[14:56] <ogra> thats a bit odd, i was hoping to just apply the new patchset on top
[14:56] <ogra> but that whole build process is so screwed
[14:57] <ogra> i wish he had just taken the time to properly port it to build natively even if that would have taken a month
[15:01] <Martyn-> ogra : Which component?
[15:02] <ogra> redboot
[15:02] <lool> ogra: Well perhaps you can look into it
[15:03] <ogra> lool, yeah, thats what i'm doing ... but i know he had something nearly done and it really annoys me to duplicate work
[15:03] <ogra> though given he is unreachable that wont help
[15:13] <Martyn-> ogra : I'm still in the middle of evaluating UEFI
[15:14] <Martyn-> ogra : I have a working u-boot though
[15:16] <Martyn-> ogra : Are you really going to go through the whole trouble of getting eCos to build natively, and then redboot?
[17:50] <xbox> hi there ;)
[17:51] <xbox> everyone on holiday?
[17:52] <ogra> you wish
[17:55] <xbox> hehe LOL
[17:56] <xbox> he but is this channel also used for slug questions?
[17:57] <ogra> you can, but its not massively used anymore anywhere in the team, we switch to ARMv6 in karmic which wont work on the slug
[18:00] <xbox> okay maybe you can give/provide me a hint .... I tried to load the "di-nslu2.bin " image for runnin debian but I can not login could it be that my slug did not reach the upgrade mode ? or just typing in the wrong password?
[18:01] <xbox> hi ericm


 Is there any way to set nofile limits for service before snap packages install, in package.yaml or somewhere else?
[09:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Day Of Reconciliation! 😃
[10:22] <ogra_> dshihovtsev, i doubt that ... the new "capabilities" implementation miht change that in the future though
[10:22] <ogra_> but probably Chipaca knows more
[11:04] <Chipaca> dshihovtsev: no. I'd expect the gadget (in 15.04: oem) snap to do that, fwiw
[11:41] <dshihovtsev> Chipaca, ogra_ got it, thanks
[14:29] <stevebiscuit> Chipaca: for your pleasure: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/258
[14:32] <kyrofa> elopio, having trouble?
[14:36] <kyrofa> elopio, you must be, heh. Ping me when you get back :)
[14:37] <fgimenez> Chipaca, regarding snappy-m-o's comment https://github.com/janinko/ghprb
[14:58] <jdstrand> Chipaca: hi!
[14:58] <jdstrand> Chipaca: I had a couple of questions regarding all snaps. are you around?
[15:58] <kgunn> stgraber: hey there, i've been using lxc reliably and had lxcbr0 working....but after just updating my xenial host last night, not lxc fails to start
[15:58] <kgunn> i've reinstalled
[15:58] <kgunn> and tried to delete, and launch new containers...
[15:58] <kgunn> all fail to start with the same err
[15:59] <kgunn> https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B4GvOYxwuvpFQ0tDZjh4YVJlVlk/view?usp=sharing
[16:00] <kgunn> stgraber: that's my lxc info --showlog ^
[16:14] <stgraber> kgunn: looks like the problem is that cgmanager isn't running or not working
[16:15] <stgraber> kgunn: do you have lxcbr0 on your system?
[16:15] <kgunn> stgraber: nope, it's weird and it fails to start if i try to ifup manually....
[16:16] <kgunn> stgraber: full disclosure, i've also got it tied to static ip....wondering if i need to reboot my router ?
[16:16]  * kgunn is a networking noob
[16:16] <stgraber> kgunn: can you run "sudo /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc/lxc-net restart", see if lxcbr0 comes back up
[16:16] <kgunn> will try that in a sec...actually on a HO :)
[16:17] <kgunn> oh..lxc, can do now
[16:18] <kgunn> stgraber: ah...yeah, i see it's up now
[16:20] <kgunn> stgraber: fwiw, also...that command spewed back
[16:20] <kgunn> https://pastebin.canonical.com/146291/
[16:20] <kgunn> even tho lxcbr0 came up...
[16:20] <kgunn> dunno if that matters
[16:34] <kgunn> stgraber: thanks btw, back in biz
[17:03] <plars> elopio: around? Did you see that I got it working yesterday?
[17:15] <elopio> plars: I am now.
[17:15] <elopio> plars: I didn't, but that's great news :)
[17:16] <elopio> kyrofa: hey, sorry. There was a blackout all morning, and crappy 3g internet.
[17:16] <kyrofa> elopio, wow!
[17:16] <kyrofa> elopio, not a problem at all
[17:16] <kyrofa> elopio, power back up now?
[17:16] <plars> elopio: It was building from the downloaded trunk rather than the branch I told it to build, so I had to just symlink my branch after removing the one it pulled down. Do you have some way of automatically dealing with stuff like this? It seems like it would be common to want to use a local copy for testing rather than pulling trunk in every case
[17:18] <elopio> kyrofa: all good now. I survived :)
[17:18] <elopio> plars: what was pulling trunk?
[17:18] <kyrofa> elopio, glad to hear it ;)
[17:18] <Chipaca> jdstrand: i am around now!
[17:19] <elopio> balloons: yesterday I reviewed xcub snap and it is installable, but it doesn't do anything.
[17:19] <Chipaca> stevebiscuit: um ... do you want to go that way?
[17:19] <Chipaca> stevebiscuit: I would've expected to use the REST API directly?
[17:19] <plars> elopio: in the go path, from getting the dependencies
[17:20] <elopio> balloons: if I understand correctly, he's packaging a chat server, so it should be a service that runs on the background, not a binary.
[17:20] <jdstrand> Chipaca: hey, I was just wondering what the status is of all snaps and 16.04. can I flash an rpi2, bbb, amd64 vm? how? do I need a special snapcraft for all snaps? where is it? will all-snaps os image support installing tar snaps or just squashfs?
[17:20] <elopio> balloons: when I was about to reply to him, he left. And I don't understand how to leave comments in codein.
[17:21] <elopio> plars: I'm not sure how do you have your workspace set up. I have workspace/go/src/github.com/ubuntu-core, and there I cloned the git repo.
[17:21] <Chipaca> jdstrand: i don't know about snapcraft and all-snaps. you do need a special u-d-f for all-snaps. An all-snaps os image will not support ar snaps.
[17:21] <elopio> so I can checkout a branch that's not master.
[17:21] <Chipaca> jdstrand: http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/all-snaps/ is what i have for all-snaps
[17:22] <jdstrand> Chipaca: ok, thanks
[17:22] <plars> elopio: I just pointed my GOPATH to /tmp/go, and I was hacking on it in ~/code/snappy or something like that, along with git remotes for your repo
[17:23] <plars> elopio: so it sounds like with go, you either adhere to their way of doing things, and either swap dirs around by hand or manually manage the checkout you have there, or you push symlinks around to hack around the way it pulls things in through GOPATH?
[17:23] <elopio> plars: yes, my go path and workspace are the same. I suffered a lot with bzr and symlinks trying to keep them separated. git makes it a lot easier.
[17:24] <plars> I imagine so... for some definition of "easier" :). at least with git you can have multiple branches and just checkout the one you want
[17:24] <elopio> with symlinks you can do pretty much everything you like, but it becomes messy.
[17:25] <plars> elopio: so one thing that is still keeping it from running without me manually doing something, is that it seems to want a json testconfig file. Is this something we would need to create by hand? I see it's done in main.go right now, but that's not getting used I think if we just use go test
[17:25] <elopio> plars: yes, that's how we pass arguments from the host to the testbed.
[17:26] <stevebiscuit> Chipaca: do you think it would be better to have that code in WebDM itself instead? I saw that work to develop a client lib had already started and thought it wouldn't be great to duplicate effort. I almost had to toss a coin tbh
[17:27] <Chipaca> stevebiscuit: I ... i honestly don't know. I *do* know that the situation we have now, where webdm needs to be released in lockstep with snappy is a pain (and running webdm on systems with old snappys a nightmare)
[17:28] <Chipaca> stevebiscuit: I fear we may inadvertently slip into this again even using the rest api if we link against a client in snappy itself
[17:28] <Chipaca> stevebiscuit: that's why for a while i entertained making client a separate project entirely
[17:28] <Chipaca> otherwise it's too easy to make it chummy with snappy itself
[17:28] <Chipaca> and on good days i'll catch those, but on bad days i won't
[17:30] <stevebiscuit> Chipaca: yeah, separating webdm from snappy is a priority from my pov, currently that client lib is just handling HTTP-over-socket
[17:31] <stevebiscuit> Chipaca: maybe bite the bullet and create a new snappy-client project now?
[17:31] <stevebiscuit> Chipaca: as it stands, my PR can be relocated easily
[17:32] <Chipaca> stevebiscuit: go for it
[17:32] <Doughball> Hello all. I'm working on a new product that uses the Beaglebone Black as a gateway device. I would really like to use Ubuntu Snappy Core in this product, but I am worried that it is not yet "production" worthy. Is Ubuntu Core completely stable at this point for product use?
[17:33] <Chipaca> mectors: ^
[17:35] <Chipaca> Doughball: 15.04 is being used for production by a few folks
[17:35] <Chipaca> Doughball: I work on rolling, which is most definitely not stable :-)
[17:35] <Chipaca> because we break it all the time
[17:35] <Chipaca> Doughball: but 15.04 should be stable enough (and we do fix bugs in it if you find any)
[17:36] <Chipaca> Doughball: but mectors is probably a better person to talk to if you need commercial guarantees
[17:36] <stevebiscuit> Chipaca: ok, I'm game, I'll close that PR and work at creating a new project containing the existing commits to the client lib
[17:37] <Chipaca> stevebiscuit: holler if you need help, as always
[17:37] <plars> elopio: from what I gather, I mostly just need to give it the release and channel
[17:37] <Doughball> Chipaca: Thanks.
[17:37] <Chipaca> zyga: elopio: ^^^ stevebiscuit is going to create a snappy rest api client project
[17:38] <Chipaca> a lot of the team is out most days until next year (the old “yikes, i never used my holidays” dance)
[17:38] <stevebiscuit> heh
[17:38] <Chipaca> stevebiscuit: but i guess you know that already
[17:39] <zyga> Chipaca: mmm?
[17:39] <elopio> plars: we could probably also get default values if the file doesn't exist.
[17:39] <zyga> Chipaca: so now bits go to separate project?
[17:39] <zyga> Chipaca: client bits
[17:39] <plars> elopio: do the tests actually need them?
[17:39] <Chipaca> zyga: so webdm and snap both talk to that
[17:39] <Chipaca> zyga: yarr
[17:39] <zyga> Chipaca: ok, so I guess 'snap' the executable is going to live there too?
[17:39] <Chipaca> zyga: and ubuntu-image
[17:40] <Chipaca> zyga: either there, or in a *third* place
[17:40] <zyga> Chipaca: so all the capable patches I'll post (har har) will target that
[17:40] <elopio> plars: we use it to tell the setup to start with an update or rollback. If you don't want those scenarios, then it won't be needed.
[17:40] <Chipaca> zyga: how deep is your pipeline right now?
[17:40] <Chipaca> stevebiscuit: hold it
[17:41] <zyga> Chipaca: well, all the stuff I have now can be neatly dropped on top of trunk, it's entirely self contained
[17:41] <Chipaca> stevebiscuit: maybe we land zyga's work first, then split, in which case your change could land as is
[17:41] <zyga> Chipaca: I haven't touched renaming CLI bits and other things we've agreed to
[17:41] <Chipaca> stevebiscuit: zyga: you guys work it out, i've got to go make kids do homework :-)
[17:41] <zyga> Chipaca: I don't have any strong feelings about landing it before
[17:41] <zyga> stevebiscuit: so without reading the backlog, how urgent is this?
[17:42] <Chipaca> i'm flexible, you both know the forces driving the change, so
[17:42] <stevebiscuit> Chipaca, zyga: I'm just about to EOD now so wouldn't be starting until tomorrow
[17:42] <zyga> stevebiscuit: same here
[17:43] <elopio> stevebiscuit: please involve fgimenez tomorrow.
[17:43] <Chipaca> ah, ok, let's talk tomorrow then
[17:43] <Chipaca> fgimenez is like elopio but utc+1
[17:43] <elopio> we could use the same client for the user tests.
[17:43] <elopio> and less hair.
[17:44] <stevebiscuit> heh
[17:45] <stevebiscuit> ok, I'll start a discussion in the GMT morning and we can decide what's going in and being taken out of where
[17:47] <elopio> ogra_: would this work even if test exists != 0?
[17:47] <elopio> test "$(./stage/bin/test)" = "Hello world"
[17:49] <ogra_> elopio, what are you assigning that hello world to ?
[17:51] <elopio> ogra_: mmm, nothing. It's just checking the output of the test binary.
[17:52] <ogra_> test "$(./stage/bin/test)" && echo  "Hello world"
[17:52] <ogra_> that will echo "hello world" if test exits true
[17:52] <Chipaca> stevebiscuit|awa: zyga: elopio: ftr niemeyer says we should split it later, to keep the speed, as long as we can keep an eye on the issue of chumminess
[17:52] <ogra_> test "$(./stage/bin/test)" || echo  "Hello world"
[17:53] <ogra_> and that if test exits false
[17:54] <elopio> ogra_: right. But I wanted to know if test "$bin" = "something" would be affected by the exit value of bin.
[17:54] <elopio> I've just thrown it at travis, we'll see soon.
[17:55] <ogra_> oh, no, it shouldnt if you exec it in a subshell and just use the output value( i.e. "$(...)"  )
[18:00] <elopio> damn it. I spend the whole night debugging why the binary failed when run from python.
[18:00] <elopio> it was not that. It has always failed when run in travis. :@
[18:41] <balloons> elopio, load https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5486692492378112/, and enter your comments
[18:45] <kyrofa> elopio, when you're able: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/169/files
[18:45] <kyrofa> elopio, https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/169 rather
[22:13] <jerryG> tedg are u there?
[22:14] <tedg> Yup, howdy jerryG
[22:15] <jerryG> tedg: I'm trying to get pkgconfig working.  How do i use pkg-config-sysroot in snapcraft?
[22:15] <jerryG> tedg: I found this: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/blob/master/examples/godd/snapcraft.yaml
[22:16] <jerryG> tedg: but I'm trying to add .pc files
[22:16] <jerryG> tedg: the .yaml in that example is only .so files
[22:18] <tedg> jerryG: pkg-config will work generally if you just install it as a stage-package, we'll setup the paths and such.
[22:18] <tedg> jerryG: Are you trying to mkae a part fo the library with a .pc file?
[22:19] <jerryG> tedg:  yeah I've got a few .pc files I need to add to pkgconfig
[22:20] <tedg> jerryG: So if you stage-packages pkgconfig you should be able to install them into the staged area of /usr/lib/pkgconfig
[22:21] <tedg> jerryG: Make sure to use the after directive to align your parts so they build in order.
[22:22] <jerryG> tedg:  thank you
[22:23] <jerryG> tedg: do I put the .pc files under filesets?
[22:25] <tedg> jerryG: You shouldn't need to worry about that starting out as the default is to copy everything. You'll probably want to filter them later, but don't worry about that at first.
[22:26] <jerryG> tedg: do u have any examples on pkg-config w/ stage-packages ?
[22:28] <tedg> jerryG: Hmm, I can't think of one. But I know I fixed a few bugs with it, so we've done it. Doesn't look like the current examples do it though.
[22:28] <jerryG> tedg: can u send me one?
[22:28] <jerryG> tedg: :)
[22:29] <jerryG> tedg: plz
[22:30] <tedg> jerryG: I don't have one, but if I run across one I can pass it along.
[22:30] <jerryG> tedg: k thx.  do u need my email?
[22:32] <tedg> jerryG: Sure, but also you could post a message to snappy-app-dev to see if anyone else has one.
[22:32] <jerryG> ok
[22:32] <jerryG> tedg: is that another irc?
[22:32] <jerryG> tedg: or just mailing list?
[22:32] <tedg> jerryG: Mailing list
[22:36] <jerryG> tedg: pastebin.com/raw/wSjA2zVp
[22:39] <tedg> Got it
[22:39] <jerryG> tedg: thx


[09:18] <aradesh> seems to be lightdm crashing that causes my system error message
[14:17] <diogenes_> Happy New Year!
[15:01] <gnrp> Yep, a happy new year to everyone! By now the whole world should have had a new year, right?
[15:37] <Kumool> Except for some countries which still behave like the middle ages
[15:40] <gnrp> hu? Of course not everyone follows the same calendar. Actually, the celebration of new year's at 1st of January is even pre-middle ages :)
[17:05] <MrTulias> hi, happy new year
[17:07] <MrTulias> the x server crashed in my xubuntu 18.04. I tried startx but didn't work... can I try something?
[17:17] <diogenes_> MrTulias, crashes after what?
[17:22] <MrTulias> i don't know exactly, i'd suspend and when return doesn't work nothing. I'd power off holding the button and don't work more (sorry my bad english)
[17:24] <MrTulias> i'm make a copy to reinstall, but before i want to try somethig if i can
[17:29] <diogenes_> MrTulias, i can be anything not necessarily xorg
[17:32] <MrTulias> some of the messages when i tried startx sayed error of x server, i don't know
[17:35] <diogenes_> it might fail of course if it's already running
[17:35] <diogenes_> as i said there could be many problems
[17:35] <diogenes_> try: sudo killall X
[17:35] <diogenes_> then startx
[17:37] <MrTulias> ok, i'll try it, thanks a lot
[18:17] <xubuntu93i> hi, how can i use ma pci brod
[18:23] <Kumool> gnrp: sorry didnt mean it that way, happy new year though! n.n
[18:25] <gnrp> Kumool: I didn't intend to be offended ;)
[19:47] <xubuntu77w> Does this software have a battery meter?
[19:52] <diogenes_> xubuntu77w, what software?


[03:25] <rasiq> Good night.. anybody alive?
[03:25] <rasiq> :)
[03:26] <rasiq> Bug Report on installer -  Launchpad bug 460121 in ubiquity "ubiquity hangs on step 2 (Karmic RC)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460121
[03:26] <rasiq> and my netbook has support for SDHC cards..
[11:18] <davmor2> evand, lool: on usb of unr I've given the drive a 1 gig persistence and also installed partimage to retrieve the xp image from back up.  However on the wubi menu now I only get the options of demo/full install and learn more.  I'm going to retry just using the default setting and see if the install inside windows option appears then
[11:19] <lool> Thanks
[11:33] <davmor2> lool, evand: showing up on a default now.  So what I'll do is go through the size inbetween and find out where the option stops showing up.
[12:04] <davmor2> evand: no slide show on unr ?
[12:12] <xivulon> cjwatson anything I can help with for 460192?
[12:12] <cjwatson> xivulon: already uploaded :)
[12:12] <cjwatson> it's in the queue for release team review
[12:13] <xivulon> ah wanted to sneak in the patch in 460740
[12:13] <cjwatson> I just uploaded that too ;-)
[12:13] <xivulon> not really that important
[12:13] <xivulon> you are too fast
[12:15]  * davmor2 hands a tripple espresso to xivulon so he too can be this wired
[12:19] <cjwatson> davmor2: actually only one coffee today so far, this may be an error ...
[12:19]  * davmor2 quickly hands cjwatson a double espresso
[12:37] <evand> davmor2: what's your screen resolution?
[12:38] <davmor2> evand: small 1024x576 was used to the square AAO
[12:38] <evand> yeah, it's hiding the slideshow because that's too small a screen resolution
[12:39] <evand> needs to be >= 800x600
[12:41] <davmor2> evand: no worries then :)
[13:47] <CIA-33> ubiquity: mterry * r3561 trunk/ubiquity/components/ubi-timezone.py: always refresh timezone combos when entering its page
[13:48] <mterry> ^^ was not actually to trunk
[16:00] <cjwatson> 15:59 <Spads> cjwatson: can you verify that https://chinstrap.canonical.com/~nick/wubi-r160.exe is correctly signed?
[16:00] <cjwatson> evand: ^- could you?
[16:00] <cjwatson> 16:00 <Spads> (and that it's the correct binary)
[16:00] <evand> will do
[16:00] <evand> booting now
[16:12] <evand> cjwatson: works
[16:12] <evand> I'd show a screendump, but kvm was kind enough to segfault when I did that
[16:13] <cjwatson> evand: ok, so happy for me to tell Spads that that's OK?
[16:13] <davmor2> evand: sounds about right :)
[16:14] <evand> cjwatson: please do
[16:14] <evand> thanks
[16:15] <cjwatson> evand: let slangasek know when you've put that in your people directory?
[16:16] <evand> okay
[17:05] <CIA-33> usb-creator: evand * r246 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Unmount the target device rather than calling sync (LP: #457510).
[19:17] <rafferty> Sound from headphones but not from speakers on Thinkpad x200. I've tried every workaround I can find... any suggestions?
[22:46] <kd35a> hi everybody, I'm trying to get usb-creator to work under debian
[22:47] <kd35a> what i get is this: http://pastebin.com/m8e1eb5d
[22:48] <kd35a> Does anyone know what I can do to make it work?
[22:49] <kd35a> the folder /usr/share/usb-creator/ doesn't exist
[22:49] <davmor2> kd35a: evand will but he won't be back on till tomorrow now I don't think
[22:50] <kd35a> davmor2: ok, do you know what time+timezone he will be back?
[22:50] <davmor2> gmt/utc
[22:50] <kd35a> ok
[22:50] <kd35a> I'll try to catch him then, thanks :)
[22:55] <CIA-33> partman-iscsi: cjwatson * r34 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog debian/install-rc finish.d/iscsi_settings):
[22:55] <CIA-33> partman-iscsi: Work around netcfg/choose_interface not always being set, breaking our
[22:55] <CIA-33> partman-iscsi: workaround for network interface configuration issues when the root
[22:55] <CIA-33> partman-iscsi: filesystem is on iSCSI (LP: #457767).
[22:56]  * cjwatson uncommits, slightly broken change
[22:57] <davmor2> :(
[22:57] <CIA-33> partman-iscsi: cjwatson * r34 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish.d/iscsi_settings):
[22:57] <CIA-33> partman-iscsi: Work around netcfg/choose_interface not always being set, breaking our
[22:57] <CIA-33> partman-iscsi: workaround for network interface configuration issues when the root
[22:57] <CIA-33> partman-iscsi: filesystem is on iSCSI (LP: #457767).
[22:57] <cjwatson> just wrong set of files committed, the actual change works
[22:58] <cjwatson> or at least I'm fairly sure it does, waiting for test to complete
[23:00] <arand> cjwatson: had/have any spare time to check on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-basicmethods/+bug/445067 ?
[23:03] <cjwatson> arand: not yet, I'm afraid, but I'll put it on my sketchy list for tomorrow
[23:04] <ramvi1> I'm having a real hard time compiling wubi
[23:04] <ramvi1> I get wubildr error 77
[23:04] <ramvi1> http://pastebin.com/m5c6b0279
[23:05] <arand> cjwatson: ok, just shout if/when more testing/info is needed...
[23:06] <cjwatson> ramvi1: looks like you need to install build-essential
[23:06] <ramvi1> cjwatson: I've got build-essential
[23:06] <cjwatson> what's in config.log, then?
[23:06] <cjwatson> preferably try to avoid whatever happened to that paste, where it's cut off at 29 columns ...
[23:07] <ramvi1> Here's the config.log
[23:07] <ramvi1> http://pastebin.com/d147d0d73
[23:07] <ramvi1> cjwatson: yeah right. why is it cut off? One sec
[23:08] <cjwatson> don't worry
[23:08] <cjwatson> are you intentionally trying to cross-compile wubi?
[23:08] <ramvi1> here is it: http://pastebin.com/d5708f45
[23:08] <cjwatson> actually ignore that
[23:09]  * ramvi1 ignores that
[23:09] <cjwatson> err, well, your compiler is broken
[23:09] <cjwatson> #
[23:09] <cjwatson> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.1/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc
[23:09] <ramvi1> wubi can't be compiled on amd64 maybe
[23:10] <cjwatson> actually, I think you need to install gcc-4.4-multilib
[23:10] <cjwatson> wubi wants to compile 32-bit code, and the ordinary gcc-4.4 on amd64 isn't enough for that
[23:13] <ramvi1> cjwatson: thanks!! That changed something
[23:13] <ramvi1> new errors though
[23:14] <ramvi1> tells me to upgrade binutils, but it's all up to date
[23:14] <ramvi1> http://pastebin.com/d30f43290
[23:15] <ramvi1> maybe it's because I'm using grub2?
[23:16] <cjwatson> I recommend against random guesses :)
[23:17] <ramvi1> that's why I need you cjwatson ;)
[23:17] <cjwatson> what wubi branch were you using?
[23:17] <ramvi1> 8.10
[23:17] <cjwatson> URL please
[23:17] <ramvi1> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/wubi/intrepid
[23:18] <cjwatson> you seem to be attempting to build the 8.10 branch on karmic
[23:18] <ramvi1> oh, is that a problem?
[23:18] <cjwatson> it's workaroundable
[23:18] <ramvi1> thought it all was backward compatible
[23:18] <cjwatson> but it's why you're seeing this
[23:18] <cjwatson> you'd think :)
[23:18] <ramvi1> so the easy fix is just compiling in a virtual machine?
[23:18] <cjwatson> binutils changed in a way that all grub (legacy and 2) configure scripts had to adapt for
[23:19] <cjwatson> I can get you a fix
[23:19] <ramvi1> that would be awesome. Thanks for helping me cjwatson
[23:24] <CIA-33> partman-iscsi: cjwatson * r35 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 7
[23:29] <ramvi1> cjwatson: so what do I do?
[23:31] <cjwatson> ramvi1: wget -O- http://paste.ubuntu.com/302413/plain/ | patch -d src/grub4dos/trunk -p0
[23:31] <cjwatson> (http://paste.ubuntu.com/302413/ if you just want to inspect the patch)
[23:32] <cjwatson> entirely untested as I'm off to bed now, but that's a direct port of the fix from grub
[23:33] <ramvi1> thank you very much! Have a good night
[23:33] <ramvi1> didn't work :p
[23:36] <cjwatson> oh, you need to update the generated configure script too
[23:37] <cjwatson> ramvi1: svn revert src/grub4dos/trunk; wget -O- http://paste.ubuntu.com/302417/plain/ | patch -d src/grub4dos/trunk -p0
[23:37] <cjwatson> bah
[23:38] <cjwatson> that's still not enough, one moment
[23:39] <cjwatson> ramvi1: svn revert src/grub4dos/trunk; wget -O- http://paste.ubuntu.com/302418/plain/ | patch -d src/grub4dos/trunk -p0
[23:39] <ramvi1> cjwatson: Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n] ?
[23:40] <ramvi1> you want me to bzr revert first?
[23:40] <davmor2> ramvi1: why do you need 8.10?
[23:41] <ramvi1> davmor2: I want a quickfix for avoiding all the gpg signing and md5 checksums
[23:45] <cjwatson> ramvi1: too tired to figure it out remotely, can you figure it out for yourself? the patch is pretty readable so you can figure out what it's supposed to be doing - "-" lines are removed, "+" lines are added
[23:45] <cjwatson> I put the 'svn revert' in there for a reason, I think that's actually an svn checkout
[23:45] <cjwatson> that bit of the tree
[23:45] <ramvi1> cjwatson: sure. thanks again for helping me