[15:42] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: did debian update the depends for Ardour 6 when they synced? Ie was libwebsockets' >= 2.0.0 left out on purpose? (there may be good reason to have left it out for 6.0 but I think by 6.1 it should be included)
[15:43] <OvenWerks> there have been comments in the Ardour irc and forum about the debian version missing libwebsockets.
[15:43] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That means they screwed up.
[15:43] <Eickmeyer> When I do the sync, it literally pulls the unchanged source from Debian.
[15:44]  * OvenWerks was also building without for quite a while, easy to miss
[15:44] <Eickmeyer> They must've left out the build dep.
[15:45] <Eickmeyer> I'd file a bug report, but that's all email and syntax based, and I don't know how to do it. I might just fix the build deps in the upstream salsa repo since I have access, but someone's going to have to redo the upload.
[15:45] <OvenWerks> Its one of those things that can be built without so configure doesn't fail.
[15:46] <Eickmeyer> I mean, they literally have libwebsockets-dev 3.2.1, so it's available.
[15:46] <OvenWerks> yes, I know :) it was there in 18.04 for that matter
[15:46] <OvenWerks> (where I first added it)
[15:47] <OvenWerks> It would be good to look at the log of the build and see if there is anything else missing I guess.
[15:48] <OvenWerks> (assuming the build log shows ./waf configure)
[15:49] <Eickmeyer> They should. They remove the binary waf but they bring it back in from source.
[15:51] <Eickmeyer> Ok, I committed it directly upstream (I have the perms).
[15:52] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: You can check d/control here: https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/ardour/-/blob/master/debian/control
 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1248056/kxstudio-repositories-are-compatible-with-ubuntu-studio looks like something you guys on the Studio team can answer xD
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> !kxstudio | @teward001 It's this simple
 that was easy
 *wrote an answer*
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: I also wrote an answer. If I had a dollar for every person who came by somewhere in IRC complaining about a broken system after adding those repos, I'd probably be rich.
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> Also, they're not PPAs, so not easy to remove.
 right
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> Technically they are, but they're added to sources.list.d instead.
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> Rather, directly.
[19:59] <OvenWerks> I wish He would remove cadence and claudia now... instead of waiting till he has f_nsm
[19:59] <OvenWerks> he is separating Catia though
[20:00] <OvenWerks> (some of these names are so descriptive)
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> He's taking his sweet time about it, and has recent commits to Cadence itself.
[20:23] <OvenWerks> too much responsibilty
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> I agree.
[20:41] <OvenWerks> There are not enough new developers coming in to replace the students who now have to work for a living.
[22:54] <OvenWerks> got the latest on Bug 1713313. What a mess... wayland breaks things so wayland has a bug, wayland says "won't fix" make _everything work with are stuff.
[22:55]  * OvenWerks responce is "use X"
[22:57]  * OvenWerks hopes pipewire id better
[22:58] <OvenWerks> I can't type today
[23:02] <OvenWerks> Ardour is giving me a headache. Some one pointed out that OSC can control the stereo width but there is no feedback for that. I added the feedback to strip and through testing figure out that the way I had already done it for select is not right.
[23:04] <OvenWerks> The strip has to be picked up after the right style of panner is in use or there is no feedback. I am guessing if pan width is available, I grab it and then it goes away... ardour will crash on exit or something. :P
[23:04] <OvenWerks> so 4 lines of code will end up being 30 or something ...
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> I love how bug 1713313 was filed against -default-settings. I simply removed it, that's completely outside of -default-settings's scope.


[06:25] <jgdx> stakewinner00, mount the phone? As in mount it as a disk?
[06:58] <undertasker> I'm having some USB problems with my aquaris 4.5. Is this already known? Flashing is a hit and miss, and works ~1 out of 10 times.
[07:00] <Stanley00> undertasker: which tool did you use? mtk flash tool?
[07:01] <undertasker> udo apt update && sudo apt install ubuntu-sdk
[07:01] <undertasker> Sorry, wrong buffer
[07:01] <m0n5t3r> undertasker: last time I did a flash (switching to rc-proposed, so no bootstrap) adb push kept hanging; I thought it was adbd on the phone initially, but it was the one on my computer that was to blame
[07:01] <undertasker> ubuntu-device-flash
[07:01] <m0n5t3r> adb kill-server and flashing again worked like a charm
[07:02] <m0n5t3r> (with android-tools-adb from vivid)
[07:02] <undertasker> I think is either adb or the USB itself, when using ubuntu-device-flash, it hangs most of the time while pushing the files to the phone.
[07:03] <undertasker> When I stop it, the phone is no longer visible via adb devices.
[07:03] <Stanley00> undertasker: well, adb won't allow connect while your phone is locked. So, my recommend is use ubuntu-device-flash to download all the images first, and then, unlock your phone, and run ubuntu-device-flash to flash
[07:03] <m0n5t3r> yup... in my case it worked fine after restarting adb on the computer
[07:04] <m0n5t3r> Stanley00: if the device is locked adb will refuse connections immediately, it doesn't hang
[07:04] <undertasker> The thing is, the phone is only detected when I plug it into a USB3 port of my Thinkpad, not USB2. On my other nbotebook (Acer), it works with USB2.0, but flashing always hangs.
[07:05] <undertasker> Unlocked all the time.
[07:05] <m0n5t3r> maybe try another cable, some phones / ports are picky
[07:06] <undertasker> Already did. All cables I tried work perfectly with other Android phones and tablets (also for flashing)
[07:06] <undertasker> I also tried an external USB hub (powered). No change.
[07:07] <m0n5t3r> for instance the Thundersoft Flame only worked with 2 or 3 of my cables (Firefox OS, would have been a nice porting target, too bad I lost it)
[07:07] <undertasker> The notebook can deliver 2A at it's USB ports, the hub 4A, so this can't be the problem
[07:08] <m0n5t3r> no idea then... on my Asus it works on all ports, but adb hangs sometimes
[07:10] <undertasker> Thing is, on the Lenovo notebook, I run Linux Mint in a Virtualbox VM, but it nevertheless works better than the native Linux on my older Acer.
[07:11] <undertasker> BTW: are the flashtools also available for Arm? Because I have lots of ARM boards. Maybe they work better.
[07:13] <jgdx> undertasker, does this correspond with phone lock?
[07:13] <undertasker> Nope
[07:13] <undertasker> Unlocked all the time an configured to stay awake all the time.
[07:14] <undertasker> I have the impression that it works better after I cleared the local cache, so the files get downloaded again, but this might be just coincidence.
[07:15] <jgdx> that operation is local and not on the phone though
[07:16] <undertasker> But it appears to me that when the files are already downloaded, the tool starts too many pushes simultaneously, and that locks up the USB port.
[07:17] <undertasker> Maybe noise on the USB lines, maybe too many interrupts.
[07:17] <jgdx> google virtualbox usb issues?
[07:18] <undertasker> Is there a method to push the files one after another, instead of all at the same time?
[07:18] <undertasker> As I said, the VM works sometimes, a native Linux never.
[07:18] <m0n5t3r> I guess you could clean up the cache directories, have ubuntu-device-flash download everything and then push them by hand
[07:19] <undertasker> And the native Linux runs on an older Acer notebook, that is otherwise rock-stable.  Like, what files are needed where, and how to trigger the process?
[07:24] <undertasker> Ah, ok, the sourcecode should do.
[07:31] <dholbach> good morning
[07:39] <Yash> can anyone confirm that is it ok for samsung galaxy note 3 neo SM-N750
[07:46] <undertasker> Does Telegram read out my phonebook and send it to a server?
[07:58] <justCarakas> undertasker: no, it can only access your contacts trough the content hub
[08:02] <Yash> i want to install ubuntu touch on my samsung galaxy note3 neo SM-N750.. need help
[08:05] <undertasker> justCarakas: I'm new to Ubuntu Touch, what's the content hub?
[08:07] <davmor2> undertasker: a backend helper that transfers content
[08:08] <undertasker> That I have to authorize?
[08:15] <justCarakas> undertasker: yes, you can import your contacts into telegram, that goes trough the content hub, and there you select what contacts telegram can see
[08:20] <undertasker> I still don't trust that app.
[08:22] <davmor2> undertasker: trust what app
[08:24] <popey> davmor2: telegram
[08:26] <ogra_> undertasker, thats good, luckily in ubuntu you dont need to trust any app ;) the system keeps them well enough guarded that you dont need to care ;)
[08:26] <ogra_> by design no app can access data from any other app ... nor can it access any system resources
[08:26] <undertasker> Who's operating the servers, and how do they pay for them?
[08:26] <popey> undertasker: the source is on launchpad https://code.launchpad.net/libqtelegram
[08:27] <ogra_> if ti wants/neeeds to do that it will ask you for permission the very first time it tries to access somethin
[08:27] <ogra_> g
[08:27] <popey> undertasker: Nikolai and Pavel Durov
[08:28] <ogra_> then only a trusted service can actually transfer any data, even if you allow them they wont be able to access it directly but only through things like content-hub etc
[08:29] <ogra_> no app can steal your addressbook or track your location without you knowing or allowing it
[08:29] <ogra_> (or use your mic or camera)
[08:29] <popey> Telegram (client) does upload phone numbers and names to the server if you let it though. If that's your concern.
[08:29] <popey> (AIUI)
[08:30] <popey> So it can match you with people who have your phone number in their address book
[08:30] <popey> That's how it can notify you when a friend (a contact in your phone) joins telegram
[08:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Eat a Hoagie Day! 😃
[08:31]  * popey googles hoagie
[08:32]  * popey is hungry now
[08:33] <ogra_> popey, the good thing is it is the whole day ... you can still have one ;)
[08:33] <popey> \o/
[08:34] <ogra_> oops
[08:35]  * ogra_ totally forgot about the landing  meeting
[08:36] <jgdx> JamesTait, what's a hogie?
[08:36] <jgdx> hoagie rather
[08:36] <JamesTait> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich#Hoagie
[08:37] <jgdx> i chose the worst day to fast
[08:40] <JamesTait> Heh. 😃
[08:45] <nhaines> I could manage to celebrate eat a hoagie day today.
[09:10] <undertasker> Strange. When I'm connected to the companies Wifi, Dekko thinks I'm offline.
[09:11] <jgdx> DanChapman, ^ :)
[09:23] <morphis> undertasker: you're sure you have a way to access the internet or just the company network
[09:23] <morphis> ?
[10:22] <Inoki> Hi guys, are there any release notes for the next OTA viewable to the public? What's going to be included, what fixed and so on.
[10:22] <popey> Inoki: not yet as it's not ready yyet
[10:22] <Inoki> kk, thanks popey
[10:24] <guest42315> Inoki, not exactly release notes, but you can get an idea about what is targeted for OTA7 https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww40-2015
[10:25] <Inoki> Thank you guest42315!
[10:25] <guest42315> Inoki, have fun! :D
[10:27] <Inoki> Ok, I see no mention of fixes for the BQ about GPS not working on cellular, no VPN being added, no caller ID toggle...
[10:29] <popey> Inoki: do you have bugs for those?
[10:30] <Inoki> popey lemme do a quick search
[10:31] <Inoki> popey https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/location-service/+bug/1492783
[10:32] <Inoki> I have the exact same as Stuart, GPS just doesn't work over cellular, gives incorrect results and many apps can't even use GPS whilst on cellular.
[10:33] <popey> john-mcaleely: seen ^^
[10:34] <john-mcaleely> popey, noted. Hopeful to pick this up soon
[10:34] <popey> kk
[10:34] <undertasker> morphis: Yes, it's a "Bring Your Own Device" network, so it has internet access.
[10:36] <undertasker> I have the same problem with GPS, bq4.5. Sometimes it works, sometime not, and even when it works, some apps don't get a position, and the position isn't stable.
[10:37] <undertasker> I'm shortly before flashing Android. At least, Android has a working email client.
[10:38] <jgdx> constructive!
[10:38] <Inoki> Also, against which packages should I file the following bugs: I cannot record any video on my E5. When I switch from taking pictures to recording videos the phone freezes 100% of the time. Then VPN capabilities to be added and lastly to be able to show/hide my number.
[10:38] <jgdx> Inoki, camera-app, camera-app and canonical-devices-system-image
[10:39] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers is a handy reference
[10:39] <undertasker> I don't need games, I don't need funny sounds, I'm ok with slowly loading apps, but I need working email, otherwise the phone is useless.
[10:39] <davmor2> Inoki: Vpn is there already there is no gui though,  iirc the gui is hopefully set to land in OTA7
[10:40] <Elleo> popey: any idea who's working on the click store web front end now? someone emailed me trying to find out, but I haven't got a clue
[10:40] <Inoki> davmor2: that would be lovely! Thanks!
[10:40] <Inoki> Thanks popey for the list!
[10:40] <jgdx> davmor2, who's working on it? :)
[10:40] <popey> Elleo: brian douglas? uappexplorer?
[10:40] <Inoki> And thank you jgdx!
[10:40] <Elleo> popey: nah, in terms of the official canonical one
[10:40] <popey> oh, beuno
[10:40] <jgdx> Inoki, sure thing. You have a ~/Videos folder, right?
[10:40] <Elleo> popey: ah, great, thanks
[10:40] <Inoki> jgdx yep
[10:40] <popey> np
[10:41] <davmor2> jgdx: Erm isn't that you :P
[10:42] <undertasker> Inoki: I can confirm that bug on a E4.5. I can switch from photo to video, but when i hit the recording button, the app freezes.
[10:43] <Inoki> undertasker: exactly the same on E5! Thanks!
[10:44] <jgdx> davmor2, /me starts panting
[10:44] <undertasker> I don't know why bq sells this phones to everyone without a warning. They should state that it's a developer device, and the software isn't stable yet.
[10:44] <undertasker> Otherwise they'll get them all back.
[10:45] <davmor2> undertasker: Inoki: did you allow the mic to access the camera app?
[10:46] <undertasker> The camera app never askek me, but that's a good clue to check out.
[10:46] <Inoki> davmor2: I'm pretty sure I have. So far I allowed everything I was prompted for and agreed to.
[10:46] <popey> this sounds like the bug where it doesn't ask you, and you can't tell it, and it just black-screens as a result
[10:47] <undertasker> Apps with access to the mic: 0
[10:48] <undertasker> Can I set this manually?
[10:48] <davmor2> Inoki, undertasker: you can check in system-setting→security→other app access
[10:48] <undertasker> davmor2: See above.
[10:48] <davmor2> undertasker: tap on the mic and see if the camera app is listed
[10:48] <Inoki> davmor2: it says Camera 2/2
[10:48] <davmor2> Inoki: on mic
[10:49] <Inoki> davmor2: aha, Mic says 0 for some reason
[10:49] <Inoki> davmor2: and it's greyed out, can't toggle
[10:49] <undertasker> Same here
[10:50] <guest42315> o_O
[10:50] <davmor2> Hmmm
[10:50] <undertasker> On the other hand, I don't need to record videos with sound, so it could stay there. The camera app should also work without sound.
[10:51] <Inoki> davmor2: I'm in the process of filing a bug for it, should I continue?
[10:51] <Inoki> or perhaps some suggestions
[10:51] <undertasker> How/where are the access rights stored?
[10:52] <undertasker> I have shell access to the phone right now, so I'm open to suggestions.
[10:53] <davmor2> undertasker: trust store will be the thing tracking access
[10:53] <undertasker> And that is a daemon?
[10:53] <davmor2> no idea where
[10:54] <Inoki> Meanwhile https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/camera-app/+bug/1495461
[10:56] <undertasker> May be something different, because here not the whole phone freezez, but only the app.
[10:57] <Inoki> Ok, what the heck? Now I tried again, I hit the record button, it prompted me to allow mic access and recording all of a sudden works? Before I tried about 6 times and it didn't?
[10:58] <Inoki> This either way needs revisiting.
[10:58] <davmor2> Inoki: yeah you possibly hit the issue popey  described
[10:59] <undertasker> Now when I hit the record button, the app doesn't react anymore, but the live view is still running.
[11:02] <undertasker> Guess what? Now it works. But without sound, as there's still no app having access to the mic.
[11:21] <undertasker> Inoki: After a reboot, the app asked me for mic access, and now I can record videos with sound.
[11:22] <ogra_> yay for races :)
[11:22] <Inoki> undertasker: I'm thinking that perhaps it's first necessary to check access, then you get prompted.
[11:23] <undertasker> ogra_: You're right, looks like a race condition.
[11:24] <ogra_> yep, we love them so much that we still have many of them :P
[11:24] <ogra_> worth to file a bug for ;)
[11:25] <undertasker> It all started when we introduced multitasking. Let's roll back the code.
[11:34] <jgdx> seb128, you're back!
[11:53] <undertasker> Do we have informations about how to access the FM radio of the BQ 4.5?
[11:54] <popey> I don't think that's been exposed yet.
[12:03] <undertasker> Is there any information at all? Android has no FM radio api, so the radio apps have to access the radio directly. But there are universal FM radio apps, that detect the chips. It would be interesting to see what chip such an app detects on an Android E4.5 or E5.
[12:05] <popey> undertasker: I don't know of any info about the radio. I suspect it's not high on the priority list (given things like GPS robustness etc)
[12:08] <jgdx> i think lp is struggling
[12:10] <undertasker> I'm asking not because i need fm, but it would be a nice project to start app developing.
[12:11] <popey> I agree
[12:38] <seb128> jgdx, hey, indeed ;-)
[12:42] <jgdx> seb128, how has it been?
[12:44] <seb128> jgdx, great, was good to be outside for a while, and we have been lucky, almost no rain and blue skye&sun most of the time
[12:45] <jgdx> seb128, ah that's great.
[12:45] <seb128> jgdx, how are things in Ubuntu and system-settings land? not too crazy?
[12:50] <jgdx> seb128, not too bad. Ofono upgrade, bugfixes and convergence. :)
[12:50] <jgdx> seb128, did you have a branch for Settings using the new pageitem, btw?
[12:50] <seb128> sounds good :-)
[12:50] <seb128> sort of
[12:50] <seb128> I did most of it in the train from London to Glasgow
[12:50] <seb128> but didn't touch it since and there was some small things left
[12:50] <seb128> but it's working
[12:51] <seb128> it's based on the 1.3 import from Ken though
[12:51] <seb128> so that needs to land first
[13:26] <seb128> pete-woods, hey, are you fine with https://code.launchpad.net/~mpt/libusermetrics/1286276-no-data-sources/+merge/268042 (I approved but wanted to check with you before landing)
[13:27] <pete-woods> seb128: yeah, that works for me. sorry for not noticing it and getting it reviewed
[13:27] <seb128> pete-woods, no worry, thanks
[13:34] <kenvandine> Elleo, i'm running through the content-hub test plan and found that i can't download anything in the browser
[13:34] <kenvandine> [0914/093111:INFO:buffered_resource_handler.cc(379)] Download request for mikeas
[13:34] <kenvandine> oft.com/research/sheldonlee-icdl2010.pdf got cancelled by embedder
[13:35] <Elleo> kenvandine: that message is normal
[13:36] <Elleo> kenvandine: iirc it's from oxide because it's being told not to handle the download internally (as it's going to be handed off to the download manager)
[13:36] <kenvandine> ok
[13:36] <Elleo> kenvandine: what branch is this with?
[13:36] <kenvandine> my 1_3 branch
[13:36] <kenvandine> which should be fine, because i'm not testing the 1.3 component :)
[13:36] <seb128> jgdx, I commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1494860, I though the design specified the current behaviour but it doesn't. Still I'm unsure we can do better, see my comment
[13:38] <kenvandine> file:///usr/share/webbrowser-app/Downloader.qml:57: TypeError: Cannot call metho
[13:38] <kenvandine> d 'add' of undefined
[13:38] <kenvandine> Elleo, ^^
[13:38] <kenvandine> that doesn't look normal
[13:38] <Elleo> kenvandine: you have an old version of the browser internal download branch installed :)
[13:38] <kenvandine> that's what i thought
[13:39] <kenvandine> but according to apt i have the stable ppa version installed
[13:39] <kenvandine> maybe something related to image updates and apt updates :)
[13:39]  * kenvandine reinstalls
[13:39] <Elleo> kenvandine: have you done a system upgrade? I'd guess it's applied a delta
[13:39] <Elleo> kenvandine: so it's got part of the new branch that was unchanged in the system update and part that way
[13:39] <Elleo> that was*
[13:41] <kenvandine> Elleo, ok, fixed
[13:41] <kenvandine> thx
[13:42] <Elleo> kenvandine: great :)
[13:43] <jgdx> seb128, right, thanks for pointing that out. That's non-trivial then.
[13:43] <seb128> jgdx, yeah, I can't think of a good way atm
[13:46] <kenvandine> wb seb128!
[13:46] <seb128> kenvandine, hey! thanks :-)
[13:47] <mcphail> seb128: You're in Glasgow? I could have bought you a pint.
[13:48] <seb128> mcphail, no, I just passed by Glasgow on my way to holidays
[13:48] <seb128> mcphail, maybe next time :-)
[13:48] <mcphail> ha!
[13:59] <mardy> jdstrand: hi! I have a question about the 15.10 framework, do you have a minute?
[13:59] <HaoZeke> anyone here?
[13:59] <HaoZeke> is this project alive or dead?
[14:00]  * mcphail checks his phone's pulse
[14:00] <mcphail> HaoZeke: it lives!
[14:01] <davmor2> HaoZeke: It's alive muhahahahaha
[14:01] <HaoZeke> :D
[14:01] <justCarakas> my screen looks dark
[14:02] <HaoZeke> right so, is it going to stay alive or
[14:02] <justCarakas> better check the power button to see if it is alive
[14:02] <HaoZeke> its basically not being pushed?
[14:02] <justCarakas> yup
[14:02] <HaoZeke> I mean, is it worth trying to port?
[14:02] <justCarakas> I see ubuntu running on my phone
[14:03] <justCarakas> HaoZeke: this project will stay alive :)
[14:03] <mcphail> HaoZeke: whilst the project may, ultimately, be doomed to glorious failure, it is alive and kicking just now
[14:03] <davmor2> HaoZeke: it's not going anywhere, if you want to start a port there is nothing to stop you
[14:04] <jgdx> HaoZeke, port to what?
[14:04] <jgdx> !devices | HaoZeke
[14:04] <justCarakas> mcphail: you doomthinker, I think there is enough community support to keep it alive, even if in the end it is just people porting it to their own devices
[14:04] <HaoZeke> Porting to the xperia z3
[14:04] <HaoZeke> :D
[14:05] <HaoZeke> I don't have too much practice, just creating roms from cm and omni source trees
[14:05] <mcphail> justCarakas: :)
[14:05] <justCarakas> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[14:05] <justCarakas> there is a guide HaoZeke
[14:07] <HaoZeke> yeah I was just wondering about app support
[14:07] <HaoZeke> and stuff
[14:07] <mcphail> HaoZeke: I'm sure the z3 will be a popular port. Go for it!
[14:10] <justCarakas> HaoZeke: you can see the apps that are currently in the store here https://uappexplorer.com/
[14:10] <HaoZeke> Well, first order of trouble, I wonder if anyone knows
[14:10] <HaoZeke> where to get the ubuntu tools
[14:10] <HaoZeke> for building
[14:10] <HaoZeke> on archlinux
[14:23] <mcphail> HaoZeke: you don't believe in making this easy for yourself, do you? ;p
[14:24] <justCarakas> HaoZeke: I heard somethink that they where working on making it easyer to use the Developer tools on other distributions but I'm not sure if that is already finished
[14:24] <popey> HaoZeke: I'd love to see a z3 port, it's nice hardware
[14:25] <HaoZeke> :D well, I'm already running a virtualbox for building android [bbqlinux, cuz my arch is too bleeding edge] ; I guess I'd not mind trying another virtualbox
[14:25] <HaoZeke> :D
[15:08] <kenvandine> Elleo, the Header component in the ContentPeerPicker, is that from the sdk?
[15:08] <kenvandine> the only one i'm finding in the sdk is ListItems.Header
[15:08] <kenvandine> which can't be right
[15:12] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, but it's an internal component really
[15:12] <Elleo> kenvandine: which is why it's not documented
[15:12] <Elleo> kenvandine: it's actually AppHeader that really implements it
[15:13] <kenvandine> Elleo, i found it now
[15:14] <justCarakas> looks like ubuntu started an add campain on android  :D https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t35.0-12/12011693_10206563951450537_2014479127_o.jpg?oh=e515a8ae9d301e189b815fbce73905be&oe=55F8F979
[15:14] <kenvandine> Elleo, Header isn't in 1.3 :/
[15:14] <Elleo> kenvandine: then we should probably switch to a faked header like the browser does
[15:15] <Elleo> kenvandine: we can probably take the browser's component directly and just start using it in 1.3 as it mimics the 1.3 style
[15:15] <kenvandine> ok
[15:15] <Elleo> kenvandine: are you certain, I have /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/1.3/Header.qml on my device (although I'm a few images behind)
[15:15] <kenvandine> oh interesting
[15:15] <kenvandine> i don't have that on my desktop
[15:16] <kenvandine> with the overlay ppa
[15:16] <kenvandine> ls /usr/lib/*/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/*/Header.qml
[15:16] <kenvandine> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/1.2/Header.qml
[15:16] <Elleo> kenvandine: odd, just let me check my other phone which is more up-to-date
[15:17] <kenvandine> qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin = 1.3.1627+15.04.20150908-0ubuntu1
[15:17] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, looks like it was removed recently
[15:17] <Elleo> kenvandine: as it's not on my arale which has the most recent image on
[15:18] <kenvandine> Elleo, what's the name of the fake header in the browser?
[15:18] <Elleo> kenvandine: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webbrowser-app/trunk/view/head:/src/app/webbrowser/SettingsPageHeader.qml
[15:18] <kenvandine> SettingsPageHeader ?
[15:18] <Elleo> yeah
[15:18] <kenvandine> ok
[15:19] <Elleo> it's pretty simple and has a back button which is all we really need
[15:53] <jnxd> Hello, I am trying to get my insti's proxy working on my ubuntu phone, and according to http://askubuntu.com/questions/614462/network-proxy-settings-bq-aquaris-e4-5, I edited environment variables (although by directly using export a="b", not by editing /etc/environment)
[15:53] <jnxd> but I can only get it working on wget
[15:53] <jnxd> does anyone have a clue how to get ti working on the regular apps?
[17:28] <dhbiker> ogra_, getting a really bad autonomy with music playing and screen off :D now you can't blame the screen... and the phone is quite warm after 5+ hours of playback
[17:28] <dhbiker> didn't check anything though... was on work
[17:29] <ogra_> well, no issues for me ... my car radio is broken and i often use my lautfm-player app when driving ...
[17:29] <ogra_> (with screen off)
[17:29] <dhbiker> strange
[17:30] <ogra_> what app did you use ?
[17:30] <dhbiker> integrated music app
[17:30] <dhbiker> is there some other app already ?
[18:49] <m0n5t3r> mkay, found a reliable way to make the aquaris reboot itself in a matter of minutes: pathwind
[18:52] <kenvandine> m0n5t3r, oh?  how's that?
[18:53] <kenvandine> must be something that's causing a crash
[18:59] <m0n5t3r> kenvandine: nothing in syslog, the UI freezes and then the thing reboots
[19:01] <ogra_> checked /var/crash ?
[19:01] <m0n5t3r> hm, let me check
[19:04] <m0n5t3r> the most recent crash file is _usr_bin_trust-stored-skeleton.32011.crash
[19:05] <m0n5t3r> but I made it reboot about 5 times (I didn't say "reliable" in vain :P)
[19:06] <m0n5t3r> I'll have to cobble together a connector for the serial port one of these days, now that my pogo pins arrived from China
[19:06] <kenvandine> it's a problem if a game can trigger a system crash
[19:07] <m0n5t3r> it's not just the game, before I switched to rc-proposed I was getting reboots while scrolling in the twitter app, for instance
[19:09] <ogra_> that sounds more like a hardware issue to be honest
[19:09] <m0n5t3r> it was stable on the previous stable version, this started after the last stable OTA
[19:09] <ogra_> (or kernel/driver, though then i would expect others to see it)
[19:09] <kenvandine> i haven't seen anything like that
[19:09] <ogra_> yeah, same here
[19:09] <kenvandine> although i don't use my krillin for long periods of time anymore
[19:10] <m0n5t3r> rc-proposed is more stable than... stable :)
[19:11] <ogra_> well, it isnt QAed (well, it is, but only after you recieved it)
[19:11] <ogra_> so it can always have bugs
[19:11] <m0n5t3r> I knows
[19:11] <ogra_> :)
[19:12] <m0n5t3r> like when the welcome screen keyboard didn't show up 2 updates ago until I rebooted again :)
[19:13] <m0n5t3r> not being able to type the password is a bit of an issue :D
[19:14] <m0n5t3r> compu^phone rebooting occasionally, less so, if it's not often
[21:36] <old_benz> Hi all
[21:37] <old_benz> I have a Nexus 7 (flo) that I tried to install Ubuntu Touch on this weekend, and failed.
[21:37] <old_benz> I followed the guide on the developer website, added the SDK, repo, ran ubuntu-touch-install
[21:38] <old_benz> it installed the custom CWM recovery, and got stuck at that point.  When the recovery boots it complains about being unable to mount /cache/recovery/last_install a few times
[21:38] <old_benz> My Nexus 7 is a recently released, revised device
[21:39] <old_benz> There is a thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-7-2013/nexus-7-2013-qa/mount-recovery-t3064562 to install a "custom" recovery on this device, as other recoveries don't seem to be able to see all the partitions (block devices?) on the device
[21:39] <old_benz> I have to have this recovery installed in order to install ROMs on my N7, no other recovery works.
[21:40] <old_benz> Is it possible to install Ubuntu Touch using ubuntu-touch-install without installing the included CWM recovery?
[21:42] <old_benz> I got my tab with 5.0.1 out of the box
[21:45] <old_benz> I guess my question is: since the N7 is a "base" device for Ubuntu Touch, are the developers aware that there are bootloader differences between N7 models?
[21:50] <mcphail> old_benz: as far as I know, there is only one supported N7 variant
[21:50] <old_benz> mcphail: Is it the device shipped with 4.4 android?
[21:51] <mcphail> old_benz: I don't have one, so I'm not sure. I think it is the wifi-only 2013 device
[21:51] <old_benz> indeed, there are differences in the 2013 "flo" model devices
[21:52] <old_benz> devices shipped with 5.0.1 have a bootloader that refuses to boot anything other than Android 5 and above
[21:52] <mcphail> old_benz: I vaguely recall someone rolling their install back to 4.x to allow flashing ubuntu
[21:52] <old_benz> There is a patched bootloader available, I will try flashing that bootloader tonight
[21:53] <old_benz> sounds promising.  Thanks!
[21:53] <mcphail> old_benz: I think the ubuntu adb doesn't communicate with android 5 devices, which is a further problem
[21:54] <mcphail> old_benz: let me know how you get on. I've been thinking of tracking down a nexus 7 to try
[21:54] <aquarius> jamesh, are you around?
[22:02] <old_benz> ok, I will try tonight and post my results here
[22:03] <old_benz> thanks again
[22:45] <jpastore> hi, I was wondering how plausible it is to get ubuntu-touch on a device not listed in the wiki. I have a samsung note 2 i317. it's currently bricked and I think I need to do a jtag repair. afterwards I wanted to load ubuntu on it. is that possible?
[22:47] <k1l> jpastore: if you dont want to port it yourself (which is not a beginners task), you could look at xda if someone already tried that.
[22:49] <old_benz> jpastore: if there cyanogenmod for your phone
[22:49] <old_benz> *is there
[22:49] <jpastore> I think so
[22:49] <jpastore> it appears so.
[22:49] <old_benz> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[22:50] <old_benz> read over that and see if it's something you can do?
[22:51] <old_benz> If you've never built a ROM you could start by trying to build cyanogenmod, much more support for that I am sure.
[22:52] <jpastore_> does this mean ubuntu is booting on the hardware or is it operating in a vm like container? someone warned me that might be the case
[22:52] <old_benz> Ubuntu boots on the hardware
[22:53] <old_benz> android runs in a container
[22:53] <old_benz> that's as much as I know, I dont have a device with Ubuntu Touch and I've just looked at it yesterday a little bit
[22:54] <jpastore_> can you send me that link again? web client bounced
[22:54] <old_benz> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[22:55] <k1l> jpastore_: ubuntu-touch needs to use containers to use the android drivers since most hardware only got android driver blobs.
[22:56] <k1l> jpastore_: you might be confused from those "install ubuntu/linux" apps for android which actually only run a chroot
[23:21] <jpastore_> k1l: so when I boot ubuntu touch is it loading in a container or is it acting as a host and loading android in a guest container to have some hardware access?
[23:22] <old_benz> jpastore: Ubuntu boots as the "host"
[23:23] <old_benz> it then launches a container with proprietary blobs.  THis container talks to the hardware (some of it anyway)
[23:26] <jpastore_> ok are there any security rists from that container? I hear about android's major security risks which is my primary motivation for trying this project.
[23:29] <old_benz> it depends on what you define as security risks
[23:30] <old_benz> someone can shave your devices' CPU layer by layer, reverse engineer the CPU, defeat the hardware encryption, and get what you have off your phone
[23:30] <old_benz> ;)
[23:31] <old_benz> 10 years of work for a team of many many people and very expensive hardware
[23:32] <old_benz> or they can punch you in the face at an interval of one minute indefinitely until you tell what you have on your device
[23:32] <old_benz> have a great night! :)