[05:59] <sanzky> hi, does anyone knows if sun-java6 has some problem with the keyboard under feisty?
[05:59] <sanzky> i have problems with many applications not responding to keyboard
[10:20] <marcin_ant> hi all
[10:22] <marcin_ant> I got a question: why eclipse *.jar files goes to /usr/lib/eclipse/* while debian java policy says that architecture independent files should go to /usr/share not /usr/lib
[10:22] <marcin_ant> ?
[10:52] <doko> marcin_ant: these are jars containing binaries
[10:53] <marcin_ant> doko: you mean *.class files?
[10:53] <doko> no, so
[10:54] <marcin_ant> right - jars with *.so files should go to /usr/lib other to /usr/share
[10:56] <marcin_ant> doko: so? am I right or not?
[10:56] <doko> ?
[11:00] <marcin_ant> doko: am I right that architecture independent jar's should go to /usr/share/eclipse not to /usr/lib/* ?
[11:01] <doko> marcin_ant: which ones, and why are the arch-indep?
[11:02] <marcin_ant> doko: imho almost all eclipse plugins are arch-indep
[11:03] <doko> and?
[11:03] <man-di> marcin_ant: in general you are right, but eclipse is and its osgi impl is very special
[11:03] <marcin_ant> doko: only these with *gtk.linux.x86.* in their name are platform dependent
[11:03] <man-di> marcin_ant: we had split that into /usr/lib and /usr/share in the past and this gave much problems
[11:04] <man-di> marcin_ant: that was why we move alled into /usr/lib again
[11:10] <marcin_ant> man-di: hmm if you say so
[11:11] <marcin_ant> man-di: then another question - why do you keep images and other simmilar files in their original localizations (and then in /usr/lib) and override lintian warnings instead of moving these files to /usr/share/pixmaps and symlink to original?
[11:12] <man-di> same problem
[11:13] <man-di> eclipse osgi insists on all being in /usr/lib/eclipse
[11:13] <man-di> and this way its easier to handle for all
[11:13] <man-di> its know that this is not really FHS conform
[11:13] <man-di> but it works
[11:14] <man-di> afaik OOo does handle this similar, at leat in Debian
[11:14] <doko> marcin_ant: why don't you just help packaging 3.3 instead of insisting on policy conformance? ;-P
[11:15] <man-di> marcin_ant: if you want to help join pkg-java on alioth
[11:16] <marcin_ant> doko: can you give me some info how to help?
[11:17] <doko> marcin_ant: man-di and vil would know better. build-deps need to be packaged, then eclipse 3.3
[11:18] <man-di> marcin_ant: we are currently work on jetty and lucene
[11:19] <marcin_ant> hmm I really don't know what is the problem I got my own packages with eclipse 3.3 up and running
[11:20] <man-di> marcin_ant: a good helper would be to get icedtea into debian/ubuntu
[11:20] <man-di> marcin_ant: the main problem is that get the build-dependecies right to get eclipse 3.3 build and running
[11:21] <marcin_ant> man-di: well iced-tea afaik is far away from something far from usable and I don't really have time to spend on something that I cannot use
[11:21] <marcin_ant> man-di: I could prepare packages for various eclipse plugins instead of iced-tea
[11:23] <marcin_ant> man-di: hmm I got jars with lucene and jetty...
[11:23] <man-di> marcin_ant: eclipse runs better on icedtea then on gcj
[11:23] <man-di> and for eclipse plugins we need first eclipse 3.3
[11:23] <man-di> feel to package plugins for 3.3 now but dont upload them into some official repo
[11:24] <marcin_ant> hmm weird - you compile eclipse with ecj right? not with gcj or sun java directly - am I wrong?
[11:25] <man-di> rigth
[11:25] <man-di> but ecj is executed with gcj
[11:26] <man-di> when I meant was runing eclipse. not building
[11:26] <man-di> s/when/what/
[11:27] <marcin_ant> man-di: just a moment I need to try :)
[11:28] <man-di> marcin_ant: there are lots of GCJ specific bug reports for eclipse
[11:37] <marcin_ant> right my package doesn't want to work with gcj
[11:38] <marcin_ant> something with equinox launcher - bu to be honest - I don't care
[11:49] <marcin_ant> if I got sun-java6 in universe then I will use it
[11:50] <man-di> sun-java6 will never be in universe
[11:50] <man-di> icedtea/openjdk will (or in main, I dont know)
[11:51] <marcin_ant> man-di: oh then in multiverse - who cares ;)
[11:51] <man-di> marcin_ant: its in multiverse since a long time
[11:52] <marcin_ant> so better idea than fighting with gcj is to prepare good packages that will run with sun-java6 right now and with openjdk/iced-tea in future
[11:53] <man-di> making eclipse build with sun java6 would mean to move it to multiverse, which is a nogo
[11:53] <man-di> and as I said already, building is not the problem
[11:53] <marcin_ant> man-di: imho it's better to have eclipse-3.3 in multiverse than no eclipse-3.3 at all
[11:54] <man-di> marcin_ant: feel free to do, but not with the eclipse package
[11:55] <man-di> marcin_ant: and again: building with gcj ist not the problem, currently the dependencies are
[11:59] <marcin_ant> man-di: I know - in fact you build eclipse with ecj...
[12:00] <man-di> you should really start to read what I write
[12:02] <marcin_ant> I do - but be honest do you know anyone that runs eclipse with gcj (and for _work_ not for fun) while there is sun-java widely available and runs a loooot faster?
[12:04] <man-di> I do
[12:04] <marcin_ant> man-di: while I am very happy that I can run eclipse 3.2 with gcj I still switch to sun-java because I need to do my job
[12:04] <marcin_ant> man-di: you have very fast machine don't you ;) ?
[12:05] <man-di> I do, but I use it on an old Athlon 1.2 Ghz too
[12:06] <marcin_ant> man-di: and you are happy with it's performance on gcj?
[12:06] <man-di> yes
[12:07] <man-di> its okay to use
[12:07] <marcin_ant> how much ram do you have on this athlon?
[12:07] <man-di> of course you need to make sure the -gcj packages are installed
[12:07] <man-di> 1GB
[12:08] <marcin_ant> man-di: I got duron 1,8 with 1GB and eclipse on gcj with aptana is impossible to use, with sun-java I would say that it's minimal configuration
[12:09] <man-di> marcin_ant: did you isntalled the -gcj packages? I guess not
[12:09] <marcin_ant> I did
[12:10] <marcin_ant> "vanilla" eclipse is ok
[12:11] <man-di> I have never seen big problems regarding speed with native eclipse with gcj
[12:11] <man-di> anyway, lunch time
[12:12] <marcin_ant> but believe me - with some plugins and especially when you open help system ( with tomcat) I need to wait to see what I wrote on keyboard
[12:21] <marcin_ant> and I can forget about usable 'intellisense' because it's useless when I need to wait for code completion longer than I could write code for myself


[00:19] <hallyn> persia: oh no, was i not supposed to update?  it's now complaning that plymouth couldn't upgrade, which is preventing me from installing other things in need
[09:17]  * ppisati tried a dist-upgrade but got stuck in python dependency
[09:21] <ppisati> but a quick modification to debpython/version.py made it... :)
[09:56] <ogra_> hallyn, if you use my rootfs it should be fully upgradeable without any probs, most of the others arent
[10:20]  * ppisati just finished upgrading panda to natty
[10:21] <ppisati> btw, why do we have a skew between packets on i386/amd64 and arm?
[10:26] <hrw> ppisati: cause it is hard to find fast arm with lot of ram to make builds at same rate as x86 ones?
[10:32] <ppisati> hrw: good point :)
[10:33] <hrw> ppisati: omap4 has 400MB/s memory speed if all goes ok. how much does ddr2/1066 on pc have? or ddr3/1666...
[10:34] <ppisati> hrw: right, i'll compile my owh package then
[12:50] <comradekingu1> http://www.envizionsinc.com/features.html
[12:51] <ogra_> hmpf, more android crap
[13:23] <hallyn> ogra_: which is you rootfs?
[14:35] <plm> Hi all
[14:40] <ogra_> hallyn, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/tegra/2.6.37/
[14:41] <hallyn> ogra_: hm, that's what i used actually
[14:42] <hallyn> ogra_: plymouth refuses to upgrade complaining about a local customization
[14:42] <hallyn> (I dont' have the netbook on me atm)
[14:42] <ogra_> hmpf
[14:42] <ogra_> there is a diversion in place for the initramfs script
[14:43] <ogra_> thats on purpose,else the initrd gets to big to boot
[15:09] <hallyn> ogra_: so you can apt-get dist-upgrade fine with that diversion in place right now?
[15:10] <ogra_> heh, i dont use that image currently
[15:10] <ogra_> i will have to research that
[15:10] <ogra_> you should be able to remove the diversion though, then dpkg should stop complaining
[15:32] <hallyn> ogra_: ok, will do thx
[21:56] <pmathews> test
[21:58]  * pmathews is back
[22:08] <pmathews> with 128MB RAM
[22:09] <pmathews> [headless]
[22:23] <armin76> pmathews: omg thats disgusting, get a head!
[23:25] <jmonty> how can I make ubuntu running on a pandaboard boot into console mode? there's no grub, so what would i change?
[23:26] <jmonty> sorry, somehow dropped
[23:26] <jmonty> anybody know how I can have ubuntu boot into a console mode on Pandaboard since there is no grub?
[23:31] <GrueMaster> jmonty: You could run the headless image.  It is designed to be run through the serial console.
[23:32] <jmonty> hmm, well, I've already configured this image with everything I need, would rather not have to redo all of that ... but where is the headless image for future reference?
[23:33] <GrueMaster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/release/
[23:34] <GrueMaster> I think you can also edit the /boot/boot.script and add "text" to the bootargs.  Once you edit that, rerun "sudo flash-kernel"
[23:40] <jmonty> cool, I will try that


[01:29] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Just backported calf and lmms as well.
[11:34] <astraljava> OvenWerks: Didn't follow the whole convo, but didn't see it mentioned over a quick glance. Bionic isn't an LTS from Studio POV, only community support is still ongoing.
[13:18] <Eickmeyer> astraljava: We're doing a quasi-LTS. The ISO isn't getting LTS updates, but we created a backports PPA and are supporting it until the 20.04 release.
[15:16] <OvenWerks> astraljava: While it is true 18.04 Studio is not an LTS, most of the flavours 18.04 are LTS and with -installer, any flavour can become *studio. So it is worthwhile keeping backports alive for 18.04 for that reason.
[15:17]  * OvenWerks has trouble remembering all these names and finds numbers easier to deal with
[19:08] <astraljava> Oh okay, thanks guys!  :D
[19:09] <astraljava> And I concur, the names just don't stick with me.


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[05:51] <alf_> ubuntu-qa: Hi! Can I please get a rebuild of unity8/amd64 for https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1845/landing-010-vivid/excuses.html , it's a flaky unity8 test.
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[06:11] <mardy> trainguards: can please someone explain me what the "UNAPPROVED queue" is? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1669
[06:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1815 Proposed pocket (yakkety/address-book-app). Release pocket (vivid/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-app)
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[06:35] <Mirv> mardy: it's this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= - basically where everything for stable releases goes first, and stable release updates team approves or disaproves them going in to the proposed (where they spend the minimum of 7 days before goint to full updates location)
[06:36] <Mirv> mardy: you could poke https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru/+members , yours have been in the queue for quite a while now
[06:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1497 QA Signoff: Ready
[06:47] <mardy> Mirv: thanks, I'll try to find one
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[06:55] <mardy> Mirv: about the qt 5.6 dbus issue, what is the plan? Will you land an updated version into yakkety, or are you waiting on something from me?
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[07:00] <Mirv> mardy: so I'd land if it qtbase would not fail that one test thanks to libc 2.24 (probably), but yes it'll eventually get to yakkety. it'd be good to get the +2 on the codereview regardless so that we're sure upstream will go that way too.
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[07:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1669 Proposed pocket
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[08:16] <mardy> ubuntu-qa: is it possible for someone to already approve this no change rebuild? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1852
[08:18] <rvr> mardy: I'll do it when the automated signoff is ready
[08:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1852 QA Signoff: Approved
[08:18] <davmor2> rvr, mardy: done but it won't do anything till automation is finished
[08:19] <davmor2> rvr: it is just a version number bump :)
[08:19] <mardy> davmor2, rvr: thanks, and ok, I'll wait
[08:28] <alf_> rvr: Hi! Could you please trigger a rebuild of unity8/amd64 for https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1845/landing-010-vivid/excuses.html , it's a flaky unity8 test.
[08:29] <rvr> alf_: The man for that is sil2100
[08:29] <alf_> rvr: thanks
[08:29] <alf_> sil2100: ^^
[08:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1529 Bad merges (yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/unity-api, yakkety/unity8). Failed to build (vivid/mir, vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity8, yakkety/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/mir). Successfully built (vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/unity-api)
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[08:46] <sil2100> alf_: on it
[08:49] <alf_> sil2100: thanks
[08:51] <sil2100> Should re-run soon
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[09:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1803 QA Signoff: Approved
[09:38] <jgdx> sil2100, hey, could you mark https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1729 as qa ready?
[09:42] <jgdx> or jibel ^
[09:43] <sil2100> jgdx: QA needs to make a decision regarding such things, jibel is away this week but davmor2 can take a look
[09:43] <sil2100> jgdx: what's the reason for the failing tests in yakkety?
[09:43] <jgdx> sil2100, I have no idea but it's been like this for weeks
[09:44] <jgdx> sil2100, and thanks
[09:44] <sil2100> jgdx: maybe it only needs a re-run, since yakkety should be in better state now
[09:44] <sil2100> Were re-runs attempted recently?
[09:44] <jgdx> sil2100, not for yakkety for uss, no.
[09:45] <davmor2> sil2100: please, as far as I can tell there have been silos with automated passing on yakkety unless something else broke it
[09:45] <sil2100> jgdx: ok, let me try re-running then
[09:45] <jgdx> sil2100, okay
[09:45] <jgdx> thanks
[09:45] <sil2100> Let's wait for those a bit and get back to this once they fail again
[09:47] <jgdx> sil2100, davmor2: you guys looked at why it failed though, right?
[09:48] <jgdx> “ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts” has uninstallable dependencies. We didn't even change that package.
[09:48] <Mirv> jgdx: sil2100: davmor2: there shouldn't be a reason for tests failing in yakkety anymore. there are for example UITK tests that are completely green with the same tests https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1808/landing-094-yakkety/excuses.html
[09:48] <sil2100> jgdx: I saw dependency issues, which can mean it was run some time ago during the yakkety-proposed issues
[09:48] <davmor2> Mirv: that's what I said above ;)
[09:48] <Mirv> or there might be reasons but hey should be found out
[09:48] <jgdx> sil2100, it was run yesterday
[09:48] <Mirv> davmor2: right
[09:49] <Mirv> sil2100: weirdly though those are recent runs, something might have broken yakkety. they are from yesterday and today.
[09:50] <sil2100> hm, didn't check the timestamps, assumed that jgdx meant those are old runs
[09:50] <Mirv> though it's the release pocket, I don't have upgrade problems on my yakkety installations at least
[09:50] <Mirv> sil2100: well it certainly sounded like that until I started looking at the timestamps
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[09:51] <Mirv> reruns should fail fairly fast though if there's still a problem since it's in that package installation phase
[09:53] <jgdx> that is meager comfort at this point ;)
[09:58] <davmor2> Mirv: hmmm I know there is an issue with online account that you are aware of and that seems to be the package under blame on yakkety
[09:59] <davmor2> Mirv: but as far as I can tell the package is installed on yakkety desktop just not working :(
[10:10] <jgdx> sil2100, did you restart the yakkety tests?
[10:10] <jgdx> (I can't confirm this anywhere it seems)
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[10:19] <Mirv> davmor2: I'm not aware of online account issue
[10:19] <Mirv> davmor2: oh you mean the oxide crash bug?
[10:19] <Mirv> davmor2: shouldn't prevent installation yes
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[10:42] <oSoMoN> trainguards: is the "Destination version missing from changelog" message something that can prevent a landing from happening, or can it be safely ignored (in that case that’s for webbrowser-app where a no-change rebuild was triggered by Mirv but the corresponding changelog entry wasn’t committed back to lp:webbrowser-app)
[10:42] <oSoMoN> ?
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[10:53] <Mirv> oSoMoN: oh, sorry, that was a crazy day when I did those ones. it won't prevent a landing, we have an option to force it and there's no harm overriding no-change rebuild changelog entries.
[10:54] <oSoMoN> Mirv, cool, thanks
[10:54] <Mirv> oSoMoN: but if you don't mind a rebuild I can update the trunk too
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1797 Currently building (vivid/ubuntu-push). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-push). Successfully built (yakkety/ubuntu-push)
[11:03] <jgdx> rvr, hey, re: bug 1616857 — it seems silo 23 solves this issue, so maybe mterry (silo owner) can speculate on why it currently crashes.
[11:03] <rvr> jgdx: Oh, nice
[11:03] <rvr> jgdx: What does silo 23 do?
[11:07] <jgdx> rvr, fixes a couple of hacks and is a bit more defensive in how it refers to stuff on disk. Might be the fix right there
[11:12] <rvr> bzoltan: Silo 94 approved
[11:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1808 QA Signoff: Approved
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[11:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1797 Preparing packages
[11:23] <Mirv> apw: how about another binNEW review for bzoltan? https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-094/+sourcepub/6828771/+listing-archive-extra : libubuntumetrics5 libubuntumetrics5-dev libubuntumetrics5-private-dev qml-module-ubuntu-metrics  and https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-094/+sourcepub/6828770/+listing-archive-extra :
[11:23] <Mirv> libubuntumetrics5-gles libubuntumetrics5-gles-dev
[11:23] <bzoltan> Mirv:  yes,
[11:23] <Mirv> so those binary packages for all archs from the two sources are trying to get into yakkety archives
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[11:47] <jgdx> sil2100, any progress on the tests for https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1729 ?
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[12:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1850 QA Signoff: Ready
[13:02] <kenvandine> dobey, silo 4 is in the QA queue :)
[13:03] <dobey> how big is the queue? :P
[13:04] <jgdx> davmor2, hey, we need to move on for silo 17, please
[13:04] <davmor2> kenvandine: did you see the bug about content-hub on the mailing it's not transferring files if the app is closed?
[13:05] <kenvandine> dobey, big
[13:05] <kenvandine> davmor2, no... it can't transfer files to apps that are closed though
[13:05] <kenvandine> unless it's during downloads
[13:05] <dobey> jibel: ^^ can we fast-track silo 4? it's a trivial change to autopkgtests config only, because they need a working user session to function. it's holding up some stuff in proposed migration, so if we could get it landed asap, that'd be awesome
[13:05] <davmor2> kenvandine: that is when it is happening
[13:05] <davmor2> dobey: jibel is on holiday
[13:06] <kenvandine> i hope download manager didn't break :)
[13:06] <davmor2> kenvandine: it works fine if the app is open
[13:06] <dobey> davmor2: can you do that then? :)
[13:06] <davmor2> dobey: no :P
[13:06] <dobey> :(
[13:06] <dobey> the yak is sad
[13:06] <jgdx> it is
[13:06] <davmor2> dobey: but I can have a look after
[13:07] <davmor2> jgdx: 17?
[13:07] <jgdx> davmor2, yep, we feel it is very unlikely these branches introduce dep failures for unity8 and uss-online-accounts on yakkety only
[13:08] <davmor2> jgdx: this is the vibrations silo right?
[13:08] <dobey> really wish we'd run autopkgtests with proposed
[13:08] <jgdx> davmor2, right
[13:09] <davmor2> dobey: we do that's why it breaks so much
[13:09] <jgdx> kenvandine, we did change some things in UDM pertaining to restoring downloads.
[13:09] <dobey> davmor2: no, we don't, that's why it breaks so much :)
[13:10] <dobey> davmor2: we build against proposed, but the autopkgtests for silos run without proposed
[13:10] <davmor2> dobey: ah sorry yes you are right :)
[13:12] <kenvandine> jgdx, davmor2: it could be the udm change or something's broken in the browser
[13:12] <kenvandine> i think more likely something in download manager :/
[13:12] <kenvandine> nothing changed in content-hub
[13:13] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'm not all that familiar with the download manager integration
[13:13]  * kenvandine captures some logs
[13:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/810 Diff missing (xenial/qscintilla2, xenial/sip4). Successfully built (xenial/akonadi, xenial/analitza, xenial/appmenu-qt5, xenial/calibre, xenial/ciborium, xenial/fcitx-qt5, xenial/frameworkintegration, xenial/gammaray, xenial/gcin, xenial/gsettings-qt, xenial/hime, xenial/kdeclarative, xenial/kwin, xenial/libqtxdg, xenial/lxqt-qtplugin, xenial/maliit-framework, xenial/musescore, xe
[13:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1842 Preparing packages
[13:18] <kenvandine> jgdx, oh... it's a crash in UAL
[13:18] <kenvandine> content-hub-service is actually crashing
[13:18] <kenvandine> so not related to download manager
[13:18] <kenvandine> 0xf7238830 in ubuntu_app_launch_get_primary_pid () from /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libubuntu-app-launch.so.3
[13:18] <jgdx> huh
[13:19] <kenvandine> so it's tedg's fault not your fault :)
[13:19] <jgdx> kenvandine, I would've blamed it all on Elleo :p
[13:20] <kenvandine> but he's out this week :)
[13:20]  * jgdx chokes on coffee
[13:20]  * tedg reads backlog
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[13:20] <tedg> kenvandine: jgdx: is there a backtrace?
[13:21] <kenvandine> just got one
[13:21] <kenvandine> tedg, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23088956/
[13:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Currently building (xenial/qtmir). Failed to build (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, yakkety/libertine). Successfully built (vivid/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gl
[13:25] <tedg> kenvandine: Hmm, debug symbols? That's not very conclusive :-)
[13:25] <kenvandine> tedg, i know...
[13:26] <kenvandine> tedg, so it only crashes if the app isn't running
[13:26] <kenvandine> if the app is running, no crash
[13:26] <kenvandine> tedg, that should be telling... right?
[13:27] <kenvandine> tedg, the only device i have handy to install debug symbols on has like 10mb free space :/
[13:28] <kenvandine> we should add content-hub transfers to UAL's testplan :)
[13:28] <tedg> kenvandine: So, possibly. I mean we're checking an array that is length zero, but that should throw an exception that we catch.
[13:29] <tedg> kenvandine: The only obvious thing is that it's crashing instead of throwing an exception, but that'd be assuming STL is broken. Which seems unlikely.
[13:30] <jgdx> mterry, hey, the background panel started crashing on rc-proposed, and your branch fixes it. Any theories? :)
[13:30] <tedg> kenvandine: Can you do it with G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all ?
[13:30] <tedg> kenvandine: That might give more info
[13:30] <kenvandine> sure
[13:30] <jgdx> mterry, it basically means we need to land your silo asap. I've reviewed the branch and it looks and works well!
[13:30] <mterry> jgdx: haha what?
[13:31] <jgdx> mterry, so no theories :p
[13:32] <mterry> jgdx: that's tricky... it's a three-part MP (unity-system-compositor, u-s-s, and u8).  The u8 one isn't approved yet
[13:32] <kenvandine> tedg, that gives me like nothing
[13:32] <kenvandine> ** (process:19782): DEBUG: Adding instance for job 'application-click': com.ubuntu.telegram_telegram_<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:32] <mterry> jgdx: I mean, we can prioritize getting it approved...
[13:32] <mterry> Just saying not ready this second
[13:33] <kenvandine> mterry, we have no clue why it just started crashing :)
[13:33] <mterry> kenvandine, jgdx: I'll help look and see why my branch would change anything
[13:33] <tedg> kenvandine: Run under valgrind?
[13:33] <mterry> Maybe we can get a minimal fix branch
[13:33] <tedg> kenvandine: Thinking you might have a memory issue.
[13:34] <jgdx> mterry, okay, that's fine. I will prepare a second fix, in case we don't get that three way silo in order.
[13:34] <kenvandine> a memory issue that was introduced by the UAL change?
[13:34] <kenvandine> nothing else has landed besides your rebuild
[13:34] <tedg> kenvandine: UAL is pretty chatty with debug messages.
[13:35] <tedg> kenvandine: Could be, don't know, but it seems like getting the PID is probably an unlikely place for it to break.
[13:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- zhangew401 jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1729 QA Signoff: Ready
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[13:41] <kenvandine> tedg, i just confirmed with a device i haven't upgraded that it doesn't crash with libubuntu-app-launch2
[13:41]  * kenvandine updates and install valgrind
[13:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1861 Failed to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src). Ready to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles)
[13:43] <tedg> kenvandine: Bummer, but both good and bad :-)
[13:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- fboucault, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1813 QA Signoff: Ready
[13:48] <tedg> kenvandine: So I need to share to an app but ensure the app that I'm sharing to isn't running?
[13:49] <kenvandine> tedg, right
[13:49] <kenvandine> content-hub-service will crash
[13:52] <kenvandine> tedg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23089035/
[13:52] <kenvandine> tedg, i don't see anything that looks related
[13:57] <kenvandine> tedg, with debug symbols http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23089048/
[13:58] <tedg> kenvandine: Oh, I was just heading for that... hmm, okay. Let me see if I can write a test to break it.
[14:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Currently building (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, xenial/content-hub, xenial/qtmir, yakkety/content-hub). Failed to build (yakkety/libertine). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu). Successfully built (vivid/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/apparmor
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[14:11] <tedg> kenvandine: Okay, I found the issue, I'll propose a branch.
[14:11] <kenvandine> thx!
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[14:26] <tedg> kenvandine: Do you have a content-hub silo you want this in? https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-app-launch/primary-pid-no-app/+merge/303940
[14:27] <tedg> kenvandine: Otherwise we can land it separately.
[14:27] <kenvandine> separately please
[14:27] <kenvandine> it's critical
[14:27] <kenvandine> so less friction alone :)
[14:28] <tedg> kenvandine: Do you have a bug number?
[14:28] <kenvandine> nope
[14:28] <kenvandine> reported on the phone mailing list and davmor2  :)
[14:31] <davmor2> tedg: there isn't one I'm aware of I just made kenvandine of it from the mailing list
[14:32] <davmor2> tedg: if you need one I can throw one together
[14:32] <tedg> davmor2: Nope, just making sure I get all the i
[14:32] <tedg> 's dotted and t's crossed
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[15:02] <mterry> kenvandine, jgdx: any luck on the USS crash?
[15:02] <jgdx> mterry, it is on my todo for tonight/tomorrow morning
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Currently building (yakkety/content-hub). Failed to build (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtmir, yakkety/libertine). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu). Successfully built (vivid/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, xe
[15:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 Preparing packages
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 yakkety/unity8: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/readonly_properties_to_cardtool
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[15:28] <robru> Mirv: oSoMoN: sorry guys the recent publish job rollout took that option away so destination version is now fatal for publishing. It can be copied manually this time but I'd like to prevent the nasty habit of clobbering archive uploads
[15:31] <sil2100> Oh no
[15:32] <sil2100> Ok, good to know, since it was a normal workflow to clobber certain useless uploads, that was always an acceptable option
[15:32] <sil2100> But yeah, we can manually copy in such cases
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[15:50] <tedg> robru: Do I need to wait for all packages to publish before marking lander approved for automated test runs?
[15:50] <robru> tedg: no. it will take some time for britney to notice you approved anyway
[15:50] <tedg> robru: Cool
[15:56] <rvr> renatu: ping
[15:56] <renatu> rvr, hey
[15:56] <rvr> renatu: Hi
[15:56] <rvr> renatu: How do I add an owncloud calendar to Calendar app?
[15:56] <rvr> renatu: owncloud is not listed in System Settings > Accounts
[15:57] <renatu> rvr, you need the latest app version. I think it was not publish in the store yet.
[15:57] <renatu> rvr, try this one: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1822
[15:59] <rvr> renatu: Ack
[15:59] <kenvandine> davmor2, silo 4 just dropped running the autopkgtests, because without an upstart user session they can't work
[15:59] <kenvandine> davmor2, so it doesn't need testing imo
[16:00] <kenvandine> it's just to unclog proposed a bit
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[16:07] <davmor2> kenvandine: we'll install and test it just to ensure it doesn't break anything, rvr has already marked it fast tracked
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[16:08] <rvr> davmor2: kenvandine: Yeah, just to install it.
[16:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- penk, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1854 QA Signoff: Approved
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[16:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1864 Successfully built
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[16:43] <sil2100> rvr: hey! Was indicator-keyboard added to the ubuntu-rtm/15.04 translaitons in the end?
[16:44] <rvr> sil2100: Nope, I didn't request it :-/
[16:45] <rvr> sil2100: Is it used by the export scripts?
[16:47] <rvr> sil2100: Sending an email to dpm, I'll add you to the discussion
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[17:06] <rvr> renatu: Silo 53 approved
[17:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1827 QA Signoff: Approved
[17:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1866 Successfully built
[17:10] <rvr> kenvandine: Silo 4 approved
[17:10] <kenvandine> rvr thx!
[17:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1850 QA Signoff: Approved
[17:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1865 Preparing packages
[17:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1550 Bad merges (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, vivid/unity-system-compositor, vivid/unity8, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/unity-system-compositor, xenial/unity8, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/unity-system-compositor)
[17:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1850 Publishing packages
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[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alex-abreu, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1640 Needs rebuild due to burned version number
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Dependency wait (yakkety/libertine). Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/content-hub). Failed to build (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtmir). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu). Successfully built (vivid/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/u
[17:24] <sil2100> jamesh: hey!
[17:24] <sil2100> jamesh: could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~vicamo/mediascanner2/add-lib64-for-64bit-android/+merge/303655 ?
[17:24] <sil2100> jamesh: we would need to get this merge reviewed and released for our arm64 work
[17:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1868 Ready to build
[17:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1850 Proposed pocket (yakkety/content-hub). Release pocket (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[17:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1850 Merging to trunk
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[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alex-abreu, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1640 Needs rebuild due to burned version number (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/content-hub)
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1802 yakkety/ubuntu-app-launch: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-app-launch/snappy-backend-no-find-discover
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Dependency wait (yakkety/libertine). Failed to build (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtmir). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/content-hub). Successfully built (vivid/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, x
[17:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1865 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/indicator-network). Successfully built (vivid/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-network)
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[17:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1802 yakkety/ubuntu-app-launch: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-app-launch/snappy-backend-no-find-discover
[18:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1780 QA Signoff: Approved
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[18:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1675 Failed to build (xenial/unity8, yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8)
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1500 Currently building (yakkety/content-hub). Dependency wait (yakkety/libertine). Failed to build (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtmir). Successfully built (vivid/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, vivid/content-hub, vivid/libertine, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, xenial/content-hub, xenial/libertine, xenial/qtmir-gl
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[18:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mitya57, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1867 Successfully built
[18:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- fboucault boiko tiagosh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1849 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/dialer-app). Successfully built (vivid/dialer-app, xenial/dialer-app)
[18:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1869 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity-scope-click). Successfully built (vivid/pay-service, vivid/unity-scope-click, xenial/pay-service, xenial/unity-scope-click, yakkety/pay-service)
[18:40] <renatu> rvr, thanks
[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1827 Publishing packages
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[18:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mitya57, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1867 Publish failed: Bad merges
[18:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1802 Diff missing (vivid/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/ubuntu-app-launch). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity-scope-click). PPA/bzr version mismatch (yakkety/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (vivid/unity-scope-click, xenial/unity-scope-click)
[18:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1866 Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/sync-monitor). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/indicator-transfer-buteo, vivid/libqofono, vivid/mediaplayer-app, vivid/sync-monitor, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, xenial/indicator-transfer-buteo, xenial/libqofono, xenial/mediaplayer-app, xen
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[19:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- fboucault boiko tiagosh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1849 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/dialer-app). Successfully built (vivid/dialer-app, xenial/dialer-app)
[20:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1827 Release pocket
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[20:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1744 Abandoning ticket
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[20:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1866 Failed to build (yakkety/sync-monitor). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/indicator-transfer-buteo, vivid/libqofono, vivid/mediaplayer-app, vivid/sync-monitor, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, xenial/indicator-transfer-buteo, xenial/libqofono, xenial/mediaplayer-app, xenial/sync-monitor, yakkety/a
[20:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- fboucault boiko tiagosh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1849 Successfully built
[20:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1870 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/sync-monitor). Successfully built (vivid/sync-monitor, xenial/sync-monitor)
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[21:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Currently building (vivid/messaging-app, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app). Failed to build (vivid/history-service, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/history-service, yakkety/messaging-app, yakkety/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/telephony-service)
[21:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1679 Successfully built
[21:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1797 QA Signoff: Required
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[22:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1797 Successfully built
[22:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- fboucault boiko tiagosh, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1849 QA Signoff: Ready
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[23:02] <robru> alf_: hey, if you could push a new commit onto repowerd master and/or one of those branches you gave me, that'd be super (I'm implementing new commit detection)
[23:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1864 Preparing packages
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[23:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1863 QA Signoff: Ready


[12:06] <clissold345> I'm a volunteer working on the desktop help for 17.04. Does anyone know the official line on the tabs in Security & Privacy? There are two tabs "Files & Applications" and "Diagnostics". The "Security" and "Search" tabs from 16.04 have been dropped in 17.04? Is that correct?
[16:46] <precarken> Hello, does anything like https://pcpartpicker.com exist to build a machine for Ubuntu?  Trying to find an easy way to see what will be compatible.
[18:55] <Laney> wah, my gjs -> libsecret fix didn't work
[19:38] <jbicha> :(
[19:39] <jbicha> we should ask the gjs maintainer for help since he fixed up other GNOME stuff that broke with the mozjs38 transition
[19:39] <jbicha> also libsecret is sad on Debian too : https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=libsecret
[19:41] <Laney> not the js tests though
[19:41] <Laney> at least not on the couple of arches I checked
[19:42] <jbicha> right, and 'make check' in libsecret worked fine for me locally with your patch
[19:43] <Laney> was probably a red herring


[06:35] <jibel> Good morning
[10:54] <pitti> jibel: ah, apport still failed due to missing /var/log/kern.log (same problem)
[11:34] <davmor2> morning all
[12:41] <elopio> good morning team!
[12:44] <davmor2> morning elopio
[12:45] <elopio> how are you davmor2 ?
[12:45] <davmor2> elopio: good thanks
[15:12] <slickymaster> balloons: ping. You there?
[15:29] <melodie> hi
[15:31] <melodie> among the distinguished people here, is there someone who may have knowledge related to the debian-cd scripts used to create the Ubuntu versions? I make use of Ubuntu Mini Remix to create some remixes, and the author of the UMR meets with an issue. I wondered where it would be possible to find an answer, or at least a lead? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-cd/+question/240037
[15:34] <balloons> slickymaster, pong
[15:35] <slickymaster> hi balloons
[15:35] <slickymaster> can you tell me if by any chance there is such a tag like <key></key> that can be used in the manual tests
[15:38] <balloons> slickymaster, key tag? what for?
[15:39] <slickymaster> balloons: just a questions of making the tests more code like readable, really
[15:40] <slickymaster> in spite of writing hit the "Enter" key we would simply write hit <key>Enter</key>
[15:47] <balloons> slickymaster, ahh.. no, nothing like that
[15:48] <balloons> you could bold it or italics it, but that's not standard across the tests
[15:48] <slickymaster> balloons: ok, thanks anyway
[15:48] <slickymaster> yeaps, that's the problem
[15:48] <slickymaster> using those tags we could somehow standardize the tests
[21:06] <balloons> evening dkessel_
[21:06] <balloons> evening Letozaf_ :-)
[21:06] <balloons> and morning to you Noskcaj
[21:06] <Noskcaj> hey balloons
[21:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, evening balloons, how are you ?
[21:07] <balloons> Letozaf_, feeling better. Glad to be back in action. Putting together the work items from our blueprints
[21:07] <dkessel_> gold evening balloons, morning Noskaj, hey Letozaf_
[21:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, glad you feeling better
[21:08] <Letozaf_> dkessel_, hey
[21:10] <dkessel_> balloons which touch app still needs someone to fix autopilot bugs?
[21:10] <balloons> yes indeed :-)
[21:11] <balloons> dkessel_, well, file manager just got fixed and it was the worst. Music too got fixed. Let me give you the list of other bugs you can look at
[21:12] <dkessel_> looking for something to do tomorrow evening before the membership application meeting ;)
[21:12] <balloons> dkessel_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6521877/
[21:12] <balloons> big list, but all the filemanager ones are done, calculator too and music
[21:13] <balloons> dkessel_, basically anything you see on the dashboard that has a failure, you can investigate :-) http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/
[21:14] <balloons> dkessel_, this is handy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting#Running_autopilot_tests
[21:14] <balloons> If you see something failed in the dashboard, grab the source and run it on your phone
[21:14] <balloons> if the failures happen there too, then try and fix them, push a new branch and test it on the device (if you can)
[21:14] <balloons> submit an mp and repeat.
[21:15] <dkessel_> I only have the emulator...
[21:16] <dkessel_> OK I will have a look at the dashboard tomorrow
[21:17] <balloons> dkessel_, emulator / desktop works too
[21:17] <balloons> excellent
[23:05] <darkangel> Hello peepsz


[01:43] <callmepk> good morning
[05:15] <jibel> Good morning everyone!
[06:06] <bittin> morning
[06:24] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:50] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:38] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk jibel bittin oSoMoN seb128
[07:38] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you?
[07:39] <marcustomlinson> seb128: meh, tired, little one not sleeping properly. otherwise mostly well. you?
[07:39] <seb128> :(
[07:39] <ricotz> good morning
[07:39] <ricotz> hey marcustomlinson seb128
[07:40] <seb128> I'm alright, being woken up earlier than usually and start of day is always cahos but kids are out now so finally some quiet time at the computer
[07:40] <seb128> hey ricotz, how are you?
[07:40] <seb128> ricotz, how did the 32bits/i386 libreoffice theory go?
[07:41] <ricotz> seb128, not so good, I wasn't able to reproduce this on i386 :(
[07:43] <ricotz> regarding hirsute, a sru upload for 7.1.4 will *not* use the -proposed pocket?
[07:45] <seb128> ricotz, sadly I think it would, I think SRU build with proposed enabled
[07:45] <seb128> unsure if you could bileto build with only updates to workaround that issue
[07:46] <ricotz> I see :(, this would be an option the avoid a further delay
[07:46] <seb128> sil2100, hey, I see you just joined, maybe you can share some light on ^ trying to get libreoffice unblocked by avoiding the buggy gcc-9
[07:46] <seb128> right, though I'm unsure if the SRU team would approve of that
[07:46] <seb128> let's see what Lukasz says
[07:46] <ricotz> ah, ok
[07:53] <jibel> hi oSoMoN seb128 marcustomlinson ricotz
[07:55] <callmepk> hi marcustomlinson jibel bittin oSoMoN seb128
[07:55] <callmepk> and ricotz
[07:59] <ricotz> hey jibel callmepk oSoMoN
[07:59] <jibel> Hi callmepk
[08:02] <laney> \o
[08:02] <laney> o/
[08:02] <laney> |o
[08:04] <jibel> hi laney
[08:06] <seb128> oh, it's already Laney'o'clock, where is the morning going
[08:10] <didrocks> good morning
[08:12] <laney> hey jibel seb128 didrocks!
[08:12] <seb128> how is it going today?
[08:19] <didrocks> hey laney, seb128
[08:19] <didrocks> I’m good, thanks, and you?
[08:21] <bigon> 14
[08:21] <laney> yeah alright, we got some rain overnight which was nice
[08:21]  * laney eyes bigon with suspicion
[08:22]  * didrocks would like rain, 35 celcius degrees planned today
[08:23] <didrocks> and already 27 inside upstairs
[08:23] <bigon> apparently the /window command was missing
[08:24] <laney> :D
[08:24] <bigon> didrocks: I ordered impulsively an mobile AC yesterday when there was still 29°C in my apparement at midnight
[08:24] <jibel> salut didrocks
[08:24] <didrocks> bigon: yeah, I’m close to order one, but still resist :p
[08:38] <seb128> do people here have a /etc/vconsole.conf on their ubuntu?
[08:42] <didrocks> yep
[08:42] <didrocks> KEYMAP=fr
[08:44] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[08:47] <bigon> (not in debian)
[08:47] <bigon> arent you using console-setup anymore?
[08:48] <seb128> bigon, systemd is built with vconsole off, yet that config file is on disk for me so I was wondering
[08:48] <seb128> maybe something generates it for compatibility reasons?
[08:49] <seb128> bigon, I was checking on plymouth debian changes and saw your recent commit to use /etc/default/keyboard instead, I'm just curious now why the vconsole.conf is there is we don't use that feature
[08:49] <bigon> yes indeed, I 1st added compatibility for both
[08:49] <bigon> and then dropped support for /etc/vconsole.conf
[08:50] <seb128> I guess I would just merge with Debian and taking this patch and see how it goes
[08:50] <bigon> cd /wi16
[08:50] <bigon> dammit
[08:51] <seb128>  cat /etc/default/keyboard
[08:51] <seb128> XKBLAYOUT="fr,gb"
[08:51] <seb128> $ cat /etc/vconsole.conf
[08:51] <seb128> KEYMAP=fr
[08:51] <seb128> so those have different content :/
[08:52] <bigon> That's why I prefered to drop support of it, I was affraid of things being out-of-sync
[08:55] <seb128> thanks for the info, I will merge that and see how it's going
[09:32] <seb128> Trevinho, are you working on the gnome-desktop3 update or should I take that one?
[09:33] <seb128> I saw you were discussing some deprecated patch to remove but I don't know if you intended to do the serie update
[10:36] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, I was about to start it, but feel free to take it if you want
[10:37] <Trevinho> seb128: we decided to drop the affecting patch, given it was needed only by old nautilus
[10:37] <Trevinho> so not not really needed but would break nautilus << 3.27
[11:22] <seb128> Trevinho, k, I will do that after lunch, thanks
[11:22] <Trevinho> seb128: nice
[11:27] <seb128> why is gitlab fdo refusing me to enable notifications on that dbus report?
[11:37] <laney> :'(
[14:21] <KGB-1> gobject-introspection tags 2e70e4b Marco Trevisan upstream/1.68.0 * Upstream version 1.68.0 * https://deb.li/3qjGv
[14:22] <KGB-1> gobject-introspection upstream/latest 1a1b812 Marco Trevisan * pushed 51 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/EPrM
[14:22] <KGB-1> gobject-introspection upstream/latest d46e38b Rico Tzschichholz gir/ gio-2.0.c glib-2.0.c gobject-2.0.c * gir: Update annotations from glib git master * https://deb.li/3Ia0j
[14:22] <KGB-1> gobject-introspection upstream/latest 7352b59 Christoph Reiter .gitlab-ci.yml .gitlab-ci/test-msys2-meson.sh * CI: pin mypy for now * https://deb.li/Xqe4
[14:22] <KGB-1> gobject-introspection upstream/latest 5ed5b1e Rico Tzschichholz gir/ gio-2.0.c glib-2.0.c gobject-2.0.c * gir: Update annotations from glib git master * https://deb.li/iUg2D
[14:22] <KGB-1> gobject-introspection upstream/latest 869bbfa Rico Tzschichholz gir/ glib-2.0.c gobject-2.0.c * gir: Update annotations from glib git master * https://deb.li/tqy0
[14:22] <KGB-1> gobject-introspection upstream/latest e241d26 Carlos Garnacho tests/ gimarshallingtests.c gimarshallingtests.h * tests: Add "signals" test object * https://deb.li/3EgZ2
[14:23] <KGB-1> gobject-introspection pristine-tar e4f94e1 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) gobject-introspection_1.68.0.orig.tar.xz.delta gobject-introspection_1.68.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gobject-introspection_1.68.0.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/yyki
[14:26] <seb128> sil2100, hey, did you see my question from this morning?
[14:47] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:52] <sil2100> seb128: hey! Yes, sorry am a bit swamped right now, let me get to you after the meeting
[14:53] <seb128> sil2100, thanks
[14:53] <sil2100> Since I need to think about it, since a build with only updates enabled might be a possibility - we anyway do that with security updates (only security enabled) and those go to both updates/security then, so yeah. But I need to think a bit more if there's any other implications of that
[14:53] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[14:54] <sil2100> ETOOMUCHINBRAINNOW
[14:57] <seb128> sil2100, I'm happy to email ubuntu-devel@ to ask for input from the SRU team instead of you only if you prefer
[14:58] <ricotz> seb128, I started a build with gcc-8 on armhf as a last resort for now
[14:59] <seb128> ricotz, thanks
[15:00] <hellsworth> oSoMoN: hi :)
[15:03] <ricotz> hellsworth, hey
[15:03] <hellsworth> hiya ricotz
[16:41] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'm looking at https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gedit/-/blob/master/NEWS to update gedit, and it looks like unreleased changes are reverting changes introduced so far in the 40.x releases, it might be worth waiting for these reverts to be released?
[18:10] <donfede> looked all over the yaru-theme package, trying to figure out how to modify the gdm3 login screen, but no luck?!?
[18:11] <donfede> only finding the source that created the css in the yaru gresource file; but, unclear where the horizontal/vertical layout of the banner text and user login info are defined...
[18:12] <donfede> spent yesterday scraping gdm3 daemon source code, but couldn't find the screen layout there either?
[19:15] <oSoMoN> donfede, didrocks might be able to help, but he's offline now
[22:00] <KGB-0> gnome-desktop signed tags 57e47ab Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.38.5-1ubuntu3 * gnome-desktop3 Debian release 3.38.5-1ubuntu3 * https://deb.li/3jRKy
[22:00] <KGB-0> gnome-desktop ubuntu/master 87fdd13 David Mohammed debian/ changelog libgnome-desktop-3-19.symbols patches/series patches/git_revert_draw_background.patch * d/p/git_revert_draw_background.patch Drop patch * https://deb.li/Yl3G
[22:00] <KGB-0> gnome-desktop ubuntu/master b2a0a2e Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Upload to impish * https://deb.li/3BeJM


[15:59] <dpm> o/
[15:59] <balloons> hello hello
[16:01] <akiva-thinkpad> hey
[16:01] <balloons> howdy
[16:01] <dpm> hi akiva-thinkpad
[16:01] <dpm> starting in a minute
[16:04]  * ian-weisser yawns
[16:04] <akiva-thinkpad> zzzzzzzzzzz
[16:04] <balloons> we're live!
[16:05] <ahayzen> yey \o/
[16:05] <SHAHJEE> LINK REQUIRED FOR WUBI FOR 15.04
[16:05] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Any issues with SystemD so far?
[16:05] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Is systemD on the phone yet?
[16:07] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Has W been decided yet for 15.10? Do you have any ideas what it should be?
[16:07] <dragon77> QUESTION:When you switch to the snappy based ubuntu image,will there be some sort of legacy support for .deb and .click packages inside of that image?Do youhave any contingency plans for the applications that will not switch to snappy?
[16:08] <sassy_> can i know when will ubuntu phone be launched in india and how can i access ?
[16:08] <balloons> keep'em coming, we'll keep answering :-) thanks guys!
[16:08] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION sassy_ can i know when will ubuntu phone be launched in india and how can i access ?
[16:10] <veribaka> QUESTION: How do we handle the snappy packages in a command line? What is the aptitude/apt equivalent?
[16:10] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Can Balloons grow a curly mustache for the UOS?
[16:10] <davmor2> SHAHJEE: wubi is depreciated so there is no installer for inside windows anymore
[16:10] <akiva-thinkpad> Wobbly windows!
[16:11] <akiva-thinkpad> Wascally Wabit!
[16:11] <akiva-thinkpad> Worthless Wubi
[16:11] <PaulW2U> Wacky Wombat
[16:11] <akiva-thinkpad> Warty Walmart
[16:12] <SHAHJEE> OK. So then how to dual boot PC ?
[16:12] <jnxd> What Windows?
[16:12] <balloons> https://github.com/mikix/deb2snap
[16:12] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Microsoft said it could see itself open sourcing windows in the future.  Any thoughts on it?
[16:14] <ian-weisser> QUESTION: When will Desktop Ubuntu finish converting to Python3?
[16:14] <akiva-thinkpad> ian-weisser, lol good question
[16:15] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Which session in UOS are you most looking forward to next week? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/all/
[16:15] <dpm> http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[16:16] <dpm> http://davidplanella.org/announcing-the-next-ubuntu-online-summit/
[16:16] <Whinocewos> hi all
[16:16] <dpm> thanks ahayzen :)
[16:16] <akiva-thinkpad> Whinocewos, hi!
[16:16] <akiva-thinkpad> Wascally whinocewos!
[16:16] <Whinocewos> Wibbly
[16:16] <ahayzen> dpm, :)
[16:16] <sassy_> this is my first session, how will i know if my question is answered?
[16:16] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Will Mark Shuttleworth be at the Ubuntu Online Summit for another Q&A?
[16:17] <akiva-thinkpad> sassy_, it was just answered :)
[16:17] <akiva-thinkpad> North America!
[16:18] <sassy_> i also asked when will the ubuntu phone be launched in india and how can i access ?
[16:18] <Whinocewos> Question: How will Ubuntu 15.10 be named?
[16:18] <akiva-thinkpad> sassy_, they answered, and its.... mmmmmmm you need to followup with meizu
[16:18] <akiva-thinkpad> Whinocewos, already been asked
[16:18] <sassy_> :)
[16:18] <balloons> veribaka, checkout out https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/tutorials/using-snappy/ and https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/
[16:18] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[16:19] <dragon77> QUESTION:When will we be able to package snappy packages from the SDK?
[16:19] <Whinocewos> akiva-thinkpad: oh, i missed that :>>
[16:19] <akiva-thinkpad> Whinocewos, the answer was "Wobbly Windows"
[16:19] <Whinocewos> :))))
[16:19] <akiva-thinkpad> that is the name of the next release
[16:20] <akiva-thinkpad> curly!
[16:20] <akiva-thinkpad> Drats
[16:20] <akiva-thinkpad> \o/
[16:21] <Whinocewos> Question: when and how can we upgrade to Ubuntu 15.10? (i want to use Ubuntu 15.10 from the first day)
[16:21] <Nothing_Much> who said windows is going to be open sourced?
[16:22] <Nothing_Much> hope that doesn't happen, honestly
[16:22] <akiva-thinkpad> Nothing_Much, not going, but it is a possibility
[16:22] <Nothing_Much> it better not
[16:22] <akiva-thinkpad> Nothing_Much, lol why?
[16:22] <Nothing_Much> it's probably kill Linux if that happened
[16:22] <Nothing_Much> it'd*
[16:22] <ian-weisser> QUESTION: What is your single favorite feature of Snappy?
[16:22] <akiva-thinkpad> Nothing_Much, mmmmm their software kind of sucks
[16:22] <toddc> linux action show has a good interveiw with MS about MS open source direction
[16:22] <akiva-thinkpad> ever used powershell?
[16:23] <Nothing_Much> akiva-thinkpad: anything that Microsoft has ever made sucks
[16:23] <akiva-thinkpad> Nothing_Much, what about comic sans?
[16:23] <Nothing_Much> that's a font, right?
[16:23] <akiva-thinkpad> Nothing_Much, yeah, the best one
[16:23] <ian-weisser> QUESTION: What feature of Snappy do you worry people won't understand?
[16:24] <sassy_> can i install ubuntu on my htc one v > single core 512mb mobile?
[16:24] <Nothing_Much> akiva-thinkpad: any program that Microsoft has made is horrible
[16:24] <Nothing_Much> including their OS
[16:24] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Where did you get the 25 million users of ubuntu figure from?
[16:25] <dragon77> Windows is not going to be open source.However ever since their new boss took charge it is a talking topic.Windows is not even free of charge yet.And if windows goes open source,it does not mean Linux will die,but Linux and Windows would exchange a lot of features until someone made a fusion of windows and Linux.
[16:25] <Whinocewos> QUESTION: can we install multiple versions of the same app on snappy and run them in the same time?
[16:25] <Nothing_Much> QUESTION: Is there a possible .deb to .Click package program that exists?
[16:25] <sassy_> can i install ubuntu on my htc one v > single core 512mb mobile?
[16:26] <dragon77> QUESTION:Will there still be a version of Ubuntu with unity8 that has .deb and .click?
[16:26] <akiva-thinkpad> lol!
[16:26] <dpm> ian-weisser, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22469/python-plans-for-lts/ :)
[16:27] <ian-weisser> QUESTION: Other than Snappy and Unity8, what other exciting changes are in store for aroud 16.04?
[16:27] <Whinocewos> QUESTION: are there any plan for a launchpad update? it's getting long in the foot
[16:27] <ian-weisser> dpm: Thanks. That wasn't there yesterday.
[16:27] <sassy_> well i was waiting for an answer on >can i install ubuntu on my htc one v > single core 512mb mobile?
[16:28] <balloons> ian-weisser, here's the session: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22469/python-plans-for-lts/
[16:28] <k1l_> QUESTION: is there a date for snappy packages to hit desktop-next iso?
[16:29] <akiva-thinkpad> Woot!
[16:31] <ian-weisser> balloons: Thanks. That wasn't there yesterday.
[16:31] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[16:32] <balloons> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22408/the-ubuntu-sdk-roadmap/
[16:32] <balloons> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22409/sdk-team-qa/
[16:32] <dpm> http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[16:33] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Who came up with the Origami Aesthetic? Its brilliant~
[16:33] <balloons> http://uds.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/join-a-session/ for those who might be new during UOS
[16:34] <dpm> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/all/
[16:34] <balloons> or by day: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/2015-05-05/display
[16:34] <dpm> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/2015-05-05/display
[16:35] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Is the HUD implimented in Unity8 yet? Are either of you running it full time yet?
[16:37]  * ahayzen remembers balloons confusing apt on ahayzen's laptop at Malta ;)
[16:37] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Would you consider btrfs stable enough yet?  Do you think using something as friendly as QML as the main language in Unity 8 will help increase the number of people who can help shape the Unity 8 shell itself compared to the Unity 7?
[16:38] <akiva-thinkpad> LukeWarmwater, good question, and yet
[16:38] <akiva-thinkpad> yes
[16:38] <jono> hey folks
[16:39] <akiva-thinkpad> jono, !!!!!
[16:39] <jono> hey akiva-thinkpad :-)
[16:39] <ahayzen> o/
[16:39] <jono> hey ahayzen :-)
[16:39]  * jono listens to the dulcet tones of balloons
[16:39] <akiva-thinkpad> Whats new with xprize?
[16:40] <balloons> here's the snappy security model: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/SnappyConfinement
[16:40] <jono> akiva-thinkpad, trying to figure out the right path forward :-)
[16:40] <LukeWarmwater> The next bunch of ubuntu releases should be named after the most frequently asked question about it. 15.10 should be called Whatitcalled.
[16:40] <akiva-thinkpad> jono, very cool!
[16:41] <jono> akiva-thinkpad, it has been a ride :-)
[16:41] <jono> akiva-thinkpad, how are you?
[16:41] <akiva-thinkpad> LukeWarmwater, I like "Worthless Wubi"
[16:41] <akiva-thinkpad> given how many askubuntu questions revolve around failed installations with it
[16:41] <akiva-thinkpad> jono, delicious.
[16:41] <akiva-thinkpad> thanks!
[16:41] <ian-weisser> QUESTION: If you had to give advice to your Ubuntu-using Grandmother about all the changes with Snappy and Unity8 coming, what would you say?
[16:42] <akiva-thinkpad> jono, I liked your demo of the bq at the insider events.
[16:42] <jono> thanks akiva-thinkpad :-)
[16:42] <akiva-thinkpad> microsoft said ubuntu had millions with its cloud services
[16:43] <jono> QUESTION: I saw ScottK's blog post about UOS and in the comments there was a discussion about whether UOS has value bringing people together, or whether independent hangouts outside of UOS are better - what do you guys think?
[16:43] <alex02012> "weighty wallaby" should be the name for 16.04
[16:44] <akiva-thinkpad> alex02012, 15.10*
[16:44] <akiva-thinkpad> alex02012, 1604 is x
[16:44] <ian-weisser> jono: Oooh, that's a very good one.
[16:44] <jono> :-)
[16:45] <balloons> Nothing_Much, https://github.com/mikix/deb2snap
[16:45] <alex02012> aktiva-thinkpad, you´re right :-)
[16:45] <akiva-thinkpad> :]
[16:48] <xuacu> QUESTION: Is Ubuntu i18n system left behind the general improvements in Ubuntu developement?
[16:50] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Which former community do you miss most, and wish would return someday?
[16:53] <balloons> o/ jono, didn't see you slip in here :-)
[16:53] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[16:53] <jono> balloons, :-)
[16:56] <jono> :-)
[16:58] <chris___> I have a question  What is the advantage of Ubuntu Phone over Android ?
[16:58] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Have either of you been progamming in golang yet? Thoughts?
[16:59] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION chris___ What is the advantage of Ubuntu Phone over Android ?
[17:00] <akiva-thinkpad> good question
[17:00] <Gigahurtz> Hi everybody
[17:01] <Gigahurtz> new aquaris e4.5 owner here
[17:01] <akiva-thinkpad> hi Gigahurtz !
[17:01] <balloons> hi Gigahurtz !
[17:01] <jono> thanks for the answer, dpm, balloons
[17:01] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION What irc client do you use?
[17:01] <jono> also, keep up the excellent work!
[17:01] <everybody> hello Gigahurtz
[17:02] <jono> the community is fortunate to have you leading the charge :-)
[17:02] <balloons> jono, do I sense a blog post from you?
[17:02] <balloons> jono, thanks for asking, good quesitons
[17:02] <akiva-thinkpad> former community member * dpm
[17:02] <jono> balloons, LOL, not this time around :-)
[17:02] <jono> balloons, I have enough bloody writing on my hands these days :-)
[17:02] <Gigahurtz> I undestand the os on the phone is very new
[17:02] <balloons> jono, yes, your new column has been interesting reading
[17:02] <jono> thanks balloons
[17:02] <jono> it has been fun to do
[17:02] <jono> just planning my next one
[17:03] <balloons> it suits you well
[17:03] <balloons> good fit :-)
[17:03] <jono> thanks!
[17:03] <Gigahurtz> how do users report bugs and suggestions?
[17:03] <jono> starting to do a Forbes one, this is more uncertain :-)
[17:03] <akiva-thinkpad> Gigahurtz, good question
[17:03] <dpm> thanks jono!
[17:04] <akiva-thinkpad> Gigahurtz, it depends. For specific apps, you go to the launchpad page for that project
[17:04] <Gigahurtz> the phone is lacking some very basic features that we need working to be taken seriously by even techie consumers
[17:04] <Gigahurtz> like me. Lol
[17:05] <akiva-thinkpad> Gigahurtz, are you interested in app development?
[17:05] <Gigahurtz> thx akiva
[17:05] <balloons> Gigahurtz, be sure to attend UOS next week and talk and share about these things
[17:05] <Gigahurtz> I plan to dabble in paps. I'm a noob
[17:05] <balloons> there's an entire app development track, and you can be involved!
[17:06]  * dpm high-fives balloons
[17:06] <akiva-thinkpad> Gigahurtz, if you are interested in learning qml and helping the ubuntu core apps, come over to #ubuntu-app-devel
[17:06] <dpm> thanks all!
[17:06] <Gigahurtz> wish I could attend but duty calls at work. Grrrr
[17:06] <ahayzen> thanks balloons dpm :)
[17:06] <akiva-thinkpad> bye!!!!!
[17:06]  * balloons high-fives dpm back
[17:06] <Gigahurtz> thx akiiva
[17:06] <balloons> this was most enjoyable. really nice questions everyone!
[17:07] <akiva-thinkpad> Gigahurtz, we also have the ubuntu online summit coming up. Come participate with a team and offer your feedback
[17:07] <akiva-thinkpad> help plan new features
[17:07] <ian-weisser> Good session. You guys are at your most persuasive when talking about stuff you really care about.
[17:07] <akiva-thinkpad> ^
[17:08] <Gigahurtz> sounds good I will keep my eye out for the online summit
[17:09] <Gigahurtz> I think a clear road plan of what needs fixing and implementing in the coming months.
[17:09] <Gigahurtz> is needed
[17:11] <akiva-thinkpad> Gigahurtz, :) i'm busy until then, but if you want an introduction to programming with ubuntu, let me know.
[17:11] <akiva-thinkpad> We also run a subreddit
[17:11] <akiva-thinkpad>  /r/ubuntuappdev
[17:12] <Gigahurtz> Thank you
[17:12] <ian-weisser> Gigahurtz: A clear road plan is a tall order. See the Ubuntu Online Summit for that.
[17:12] <Gigahurtz> will check it out. Thx
[21:17] <fifty> hello, how do i upgrade 14.04 ubuntu to 15? it wont update
[21:18] <k1l> fifty: try #ubuntu for support
[21:19] <fifty> i figured someone here would have the answer which would save me time ha. thanks for your help anyway


[10:37] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:45] <icey> ahoy
[12:50] <JonathanD> Howdy.


[06:50] <ducasse> morning all
[06:51] <EriC^^> morning ducasse :)
[06:52] <ducasse> hey EriC^^ - how are you today?
[06:52] <EriC^^> good thanks you?
[06:52] <ducasse> fine, thanks - still waking up :)
[06:54] <EriC^^> same here :)
[06:58] <EriC^^> wow 2071 bad sectors
[06:59] <EriC^^> O.o
[07:01] <ducasse> dead as a dodo, that drive.
[07:05] <EriC^^> :D
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:38] <BluesKaj> hey guys, thought I'd let you know about a script that uses dns to blaock ads ..no need for adblock on your browser , check this out :  http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/adblock-everywhere-raspberry-pi-hole-way/
[15:47] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[15:49] <ducasse> \o
[15:57] <EriC^^> hey guys
[15:58] <ducasse> hi EriC^^
[20:04] <Bashing-om> Here I be again - all rested up and ready to try and go at it again :) Hoz our neighborhood ?
[20:05] <daftykins> yay \o/ welcome back
[20:06] <Bashing-om> It is - IMO - a blessing to be here . Good day daftykins  ?
[20:07] <daftykins> yep thanks! second phone sold today, so slowly thinning out the stock :)
[20:09] <Bashing-om> :) The good thing about living on a Island ( or in a small community ) is that every one knows very ones amd knows where to get it .
[20:10] <daftykins> thankfully it's not quite that bad here, but there's definitely a 1 degree of separation thing going on
[20:12] <Bashing-om> Uh Huh .. And I was never prepared to participate in that other 1 degree . It does not enter in what I can control .
[20:13] <daftykins> :>
[20:13] <daftykins> just nipping down a restaurant, back later :)
[21:22] <EriC^^> finally took a couple night pics daftykins ducasse
[21:22] <EriC^^> https://www.flickr.com/photos/148558575@N05/shares/8K1f19/'
[21:23] <EriC^^> typo, https://www.flickr.com/photos/148558575@N05/shares/8K1f19/
[21:52] <Bashing-om> !repository
[21:52] <ubot5`> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories.
[23:11] <daftykins> EriC^^: nice!
[23:11] <daftykins> what's the big dark diagonal line i see in the last shot?
[23:13] <nicomachus> looks like powerlines maybe?
[23:15] <daftykins> strikes me as sea level, possibly a breakwater?
[23:16] <daftykins> hrmm just fired up this old file server and seem to have lost 2 of the 8 disks since last power on XD two degraded
[23:16] <daftykins> data doesn't matter, just considering seeing the disks slowly pop
[23:18] <pauljw> :)
[23:19] <daftykins> currently 3% rebuilding!
[23:19] <daftykins> i only fired it up to wipe another old 250GB SATA disk i have to add to my donations pile :>
[23:21] <pauljw> i did my best "daftykins" imitation today, replaced an lcd, upgraded from 1 to 2GB RAM and swapped out a win drive for an ubuntu 250G drive.  this was an old Acer AspireOne netbook.
[23:21] <ubot5`> Error: Ubuntu bug 250 could not be found
[23:21] <daftykins> oh no a netbook! :D
[23:21] <daftykins> ah i'm proud of you sir, lots of work there
[23:22] <daftykins> any dramas with the process?
[23:22] <pauljw> :D
[23:23] <pauljw> no, it went quite smoothly other than not noticing the access door had hooks on one edge, not snaps, so i had to take it back off and slide the hooks in place.
[23:24] <pauljw> i was most concerned about the lcd having never messed with one, that took about 10 minutes to replace.
[23:24] <wafflejock> pauljw, yeah they are surprisingly easy most of the time, hinges/cable routing aside
[23:24] <daftykins> ah har, big enough to have screws in perhaps?
[23:24] <daftykins> oh hey wafflejock o/
[23:25] <wafflejock> hey daftykins
[23:25] <wafflejock> still no luck on the HDMI and I have to face palm thought the thing had a display port out too but it doesn't that's on my desktop card where the HDMI is fine
[23:25] <pauljw> yes, once the cover gets unsnapped, there are 4 screws
[23:26] <daftykins> wafflejock: it sounds nuts but did you consider another cable?
[23:26] <wafflejock> I went as far as grabbing the latest drm-intel-nightly and got that to build and run through some miracle but didn't help... I did find a hdmi.c file in there that seems to do the HDMI magic but I don't understand the standard or any of it well enough to debug
[23:26] <wafflejock> daftykins, yeah well using this cable on other computers I haven't tried another with that computer though
[23:26] <daftykins> nah if stock 'buntu doesn't work, there's more drama at play
[23:26] <wafflejock> it's worth a shot I tried everything else :)
[23:27] <daftykins> yeah i've been surprised before
[23:53] <wafflejock> daftykins, well I just got a ton of strange results
[23:54] <wafflejock> daftykins, so I tried with another HDMI cable, same deal
[23:55] <wafflejock> I tried with a HDMI on the computer -> DVI on the monitor and that seemed to look fine, so I tried with one of the HDMI -> HDMI again and it was broken, back to the HDMI -> DVI still broken... unplug and replug VGA and it works with the HDMI->DVI, tried doing the same with the HDMI straight through but stays crazy looking regardless with 2 hdmi cables
[23:56] <wafflejock> long story short if I have the HDMI->DVI and I do some voodoo it actually works with 2 displays looking totally fine.... not sure I can call that solved really but it's some sort of clue
[23:57] <daftykins> is that with some kind of adapter, or a cable that's solely HDMI on one end and DVI at the other?
[23:57] <wafflejock> yeah just 1 cable with different ends
[23:57] <daftykins> i'd possibly shine a light in at the HDMI connector on yonder laptop and see whether anything looks quirky
[23:58] <wafflejock> yeah I may take it apart and see if anything looks funky around how the port is soldered on the board but doesn't seem to react at all to wiggling when it's working or not working it's "stable" in the state it's in
[23:59] <wafflejock> seems like something strange happens maybe with monitor detection or something, basically unplugging and replugging the VGA while the HDMI -> DVI is in seems to effect it at least in a few tries
[23:59] <daftykins> i was just thinking the pins on the tiny little sandwich in the middle of the socket


[22:21] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/10/26/call-for-nomination-for-the-ubuntu-membership-board/
[22:21] <guiverc> (Ubuntu Community Council; I'm used to pasting fridge posts after publish; this seems the closest room)