[03:04] <xu-help14w> new to xubuntu just installed onto an older laptop.  it boots up super slow but works fine once it is up other than missing some drivers.  I am guessing it is trying to load items which are incompatible.  I also need to install drivers.  is there a starter guide I should be reading first before jumping into here?
[03:58] <JeffG> I am having an issue getting my wireless adapter working.  I went into settings and to additional drivers, it does find my card, says it is not working, i try to activate it but it still is not working.
[04:05] <JeffG> i am trying to figure out how to install the ndisgtk so i can run the windows drivers for my broadcam wifi adapter
[04:05] <JeffG> the directions I am finding online it not working.
[04:06] <well_laid_lawn> !broadcom
[04:16] <JeffG> thank you.
[09:14] <rafiii> good morning everyone, I have a question regarding the close button in gtk3 applications with csd.
[09:15] <rafiii> when maximized, there are pixels between the close button and the border of the screen, meaning that I can't close the application with the top right pixel
[09:16] <rafiii> for example firefox : with the titlebar i can move the mouse to the top right and close the app, without the titlebar I have to aim for the button
[09:17] <rafiii> do you know what I could change in the greybird theme to remove the padding between the button and the border or my screen?
[09:40] <brainwash> rafiii: does that only happen with Greybird?
[09:44] <rafiii> no, that's also the case with adwaita, but greybird is the theme I use (the one selected by default on xubuntu)
[09:46] <brainwash> my guess would be that it needs to be tweaked via the firefox userchrome.css
[09:48] <rafiii> do you know where i can find this file?
[09:49] <Hamilton> Xubuntu 20.04 comes in july? or later?
[09:50] <brainwash> rafiii: https://askubuntu.com/a/1035448
[09:50] <brainwash> rafiii: you have to create it manually
[09:50] <brainwash> Hamilton: 04 stands for April
[09:50] <Hamilton> brainwash, so 2 weeks from now max?
[09:51] <brainwash> !20.04
[09:52] <rafiii> brainwash : thank you i'll check it out, but that's also the case for all gtk3 csd apps (firefox was just the exemple)
[09:52] <brainwash> well, you did not mention that initially
[09:52] <Hamilton> brainwash, Doen't Xfce team need more time after upstream Ubuntu release?
[09:53] <brainwash> Hamilton: what?
[09:54] <Hamilton> brainwash, I mean original Ubuntu 20.04 will get released on april but what about Xubuntu? don't they need to test it?
[09:54] <brainwash> obviously
[09:54] <Hamilton> So it will be later than april
[09:55] <brainwash> no
[09:55] <brainwash> testing was done and is still done now
[09:55] <brainwash> ubuntu and xubuntu are developed in parallel
[09:55] <Hamilton> :)
[09:56] <brainwash> Xubuntu is Ubuntu, but with a customized Xfce desktop environment
[09:56] <brainwash> the base is the same
[09:57] <brainwash> so I don't quite understand why Xubuntu would need extra time
[12:17] <xubart> Hello, trying xubuntu 20.04, however the language support doesn't seem to support multiple user interface language, ui is english, but cannot change into local language for account of my kid.


[11:46] <wades> what are we all doing in Ubuntu Studio?
[11:47] <wades> I'm developing a new photography workflow and looking to use Ardour to make ambient / drone music
[19:25] <wanchan> :3


[00:12] <orliesaurus> Im on 13.04 - it says i can't upgrade - what do?
[00:15] <phillw> orliesaurus: you can, but it is not really advised. I'd suggest you make a separate home partition
[00:16] <orliesaurus> how
[00:16] <orliesaurus> i'd spend a ton of time reconfiguring all the services
[00:16] <orliesaurus> i'll take the non advised route any day, and worst comes worst I'll restore from backup
[00:17] <phillw> you can do so, but, you should also make a backup... for seperate /home follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[00:18] <orliesaurus> ok thank you - so what about the not advised way?
[00:19] <phillw> orliesaurus: after you have done that, you can do a 'clean' install of 14.04.1 and as you add any of your applications back on, they will find their config files safely there.
[00:20] <orliesaurus> ok
[00:20] <orliesaurus> thanks for the advice
[00:20] <phillw> only MySQL will not be carried over, so If you have LAMP running, we would need to dump that data 1st
[00:20] <orliesaurus> Thankfully I don't have MySQL
[00:22] <phillw> orliesaurus: Do take a backup, but you should be okay with a /home partition. Installing 14.04.1 will need you to use manual system as you want to use your new /home and not format it :D
[07:58] <Klubuntu> Is someone know when 14.04.2 will be ready ?
[08:40] <suncokret> hello
[09:18] <silverlion> hey suncokret
[09:21] <suncokret> i have problem
[09:21] <silverlion> suncokret : try me ... but be aware. i am a newbie supporter too :D
[09:22] <suncokret> i can't play midi files
[09:22] <suncokret> i use audacious
[09:22] <suncokret> but i don't know how to play midi
[09:23] <silverlion> suncokret : try vlc. audacious has not the right codecs afaik
[09:24] <suncokret> i don't have vlc, i tried now with smplayer but it don't work
[09:25] <silverlion> try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install vlc" (without the ") in terminal
[09:26] <suncokret> i don't like vlc, but i can install it just to try midi
[09:27] <suncokret> but it must work in audacious
[09:28] <suncokret> can you play midi files in vlc?
[09:28] <silverlion> suncokret : if you insist on audacious try http://linuxtechie.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/how-to-ubuntu-midi-playback-with-audacious/
[09:29] <silverlion> suncokret : or alternatively http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2087089&s=e809cf97c2fd1e3defdc72c44ecda1aa&p=12368595#post12368595
[09:30] <suncokret> thank you... i will see this
[09:31] <suncokret> it is a problem to play hardvare midi with linux
[09:32] <suncokret> so it is more easy to use software midi, and program for this is Timidity
[09:43] <suncokret> it don't need timidity just audacious, i try with software fluid synth and it wokr
[09:43] <suncokret> work
[09:43] <silverlion> great ;) means mission accomplished ;)
[11:18] <lord4163> I installed Lubuntu 14.04 and not everything is translated to dutch?
[11:25] <lord4163> How to fix that?
[11:32] <hateball> lord4163: sudo apt-get install language-pack-nl
[11:32] <lord4163> this is so confusing it by default installs swedish language pack too, whyyyy
[11:33] <lord4163> but it is not checked in the list?
[11:35] <lord4163> No it's still in English.
[11:39] <lord4163> hateball: That is installed
[12:12] <phillw> lord4163: it is also quite possible that not all of lubuntu was translated into nl. There is a shortage of translators (hint hint)
[12:12] <lord4163> phillw: I don't think so because Ubuntu has everything translated.
[12:12] <lord4163> phillw: can you show me if that is the case, then I'll make work of that
[12:12] <phillw> lord4163: which backs up what I said about lubuntu :)
[12:13] <lord4163> phillw: ^
[12:13] <lord4163> Lubuntu == Ubuntu
[12:15] <phillw> lord4163: no, the lx parts are specific to lubuntu and thus need translators.
[12:15] <phillw> lord4163: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[12:16] <phillw> has where the translators are up to for ubuntu, lx translations take place via lxde (soon to be lxqt)
[12:16] <lord4163> I'll take a look, audacious and galculator for example aren't trnaslated
[12:17] <phillw> there is also a page with links for lubuntu at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Translations
[12:19] <lord4163> Ah Audacious on Ubuntu hasn't been translated either, well then, then I got something to do, if I translate will those be merged into 14.04?
[12:42] <phillw> there are still point releases for 14.04 to come (14.04.1 was recently released). You'd need to check with someone from translation team, it is not an area that I'm familiar with.
[13:17] <lord4163> phillw: hm pootle is really confusing
[13:22] <phillw> lord4163: I'm sorry I cannot assist you, I know nothing of it. head over to #ubuntu-translators for help :)
[13:23] <phillw> it's ubuntu, there is a channel for everything :)
[13:24] <lord4163> I see our Dutch friend Pjotr did translations yesterday.
[13:24] <lord4163> phillw: I'll take a look
[13:30] <lord4163> phillw: Oh and how to disable the scroll switch workspace annoyance
[13:30] <lord4163> ?
[13:31] <phillw> lord4163: it is our FAQ's... let go dig up the link for you :)
[13:31] <lord4163> yeah but it's different in 14.04 it seems
[13:32] <phillw> lord4163: does https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse#Disable_how_using_the_scrollwheel_on_the_switches_to_the_next_Desktop no longer work?
[13:33] <lord4163> phillw: I couldn't find it in my config file
[13:34] <phillw> hmm, they have moved some of the config files...
[13:35] <lord4163> No the config file itself is there, but the XML has changed, that line isn't in that file.
[13:35] <phillw> lord4163: it is ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[13:36] <phillw> evidently now a per user setting :)
[13:36] <phillw> it shows in my file
[13:37] <lord4163> you are on 14.04
[13:37] <lord4163> ?
[13:37] <phillw> I'm on 14.10 :)
[13:37] <Nemin> Hi
[13:38] <lord4163> phillw: there are like 10 options, don't know which to remove
[13:38] <phillw> hi Nemin,
[13:39] <Nemin> Would someone please help me? I am trying to install Plop to my grub, however when i select it it blinks, but does not load.
[13:39] <lord4163> phillw: who decides that anyways, it's such a stupid and confusing thing.
[13:39] <phillw> lord4163: take a backup of the file and comment out the section as detailed in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse#Disable_how_using_the_scrollwheel_on_the_switches_to_the_next_Desktop
[13:39] <phillw> !plop | Nemin
[13:40] <lord4163> phillw: is it compatible with 14.04's config?
[13:40] <Nemin> phillw: Umm, sorry what?
[13:41] <phillw> Nemin: I've never used plop, I can only suggest that you have a read of http://askubuntu.com/questions/271840/how-to-use-plop-boot-manager-to-boot-from-usb-in-linux (The last attempt was to see if the bot knew of plop, it said no)
[13:42] <lord4163> phillw: Oh sorry I don't know spanish haha en 14.04 forigu la linioj, (borra las líneas)
[13:42] <phillw> lord4163: should be the same. 14.10 is only a bug fix for 14.04 for our release which is why I'm happy to run with it in production mode to ensure it can take everything that I throw at lubuntu installs :)
[13:43] <Nemin> phillw: Yes, i saw that thanks, however when i start using that menu entry, the cursor just blinks and nothing happens, then i must restart my PC using the power button.
[13:44] <phillw> Nemin: also have a read of http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15599199/how-to-use-plop-boot-manager-to-boot-from-usb-in-linux
[13:48] <Nemin> phillw: Thanks, i will try this, so be "right" back, bye
[13:51] <lord4163> phillw: well, I think the installer is just <censored> up, I choosed Stockholm as my location, therefor it adds Swedish to the system up and mixes up everything, it looks ridiculous
[13:54] <lord4163> http://i.imgur.com/0Ya8naq.png
[14:07] <phillw> there must not have been enough translators. I am aware that they are few in number and that those there are really work very hard to get done what they can. If you volunteer to help, they will be very grateful.
[14:11] <lord4163> yeah but it's like everywhere, audacious has their own thing, galculator, I don't know where it has their translations, Lubuntu itself pootle and then Ubuntu on Launchpad.
[14:34] <switchtehbeat> so, I'm going to install lubuntu on my desktop. anything I should know about?
[14:34] <Nemin32> Hi, i have a problem with installing Plop to grub2. When i select it in the menu it shows only a blinking cursor. Can anyone please help? Here is a part of my grub.cfg: http://paste.debian.net/116696/
[14:38] <phillw> switchtehbeat: read the read me notes :)
[14:39] <phillw> Nemin32: as we all share the same installer, you may have more chance of a response on #ubuntu
[14:40] <Nemin32> phillw: Ok thanks, i will try . :)
[14:41] <phillw> I've no experience with plop.
[14:42] <Nemin32> phillw: Me neither.
[14:45] <phillw> Nemin32: I've found this for you. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/16822/boot-from-a-usb-drive-even-if-your-bios-wont-let-you/ howtogeek are known for decent "how to's " and I've sent people to their articles in the past. If you do follow it, please let me know how you fare so I know if to reccomend it to people in the future :)
[14:46] <switchtehbeat> phillw, will do
[14:46] <switchtehbeat> where do i find them phillw ?
[14:47] <Nemin32> phillw: Well, this was the first article i saw, but thanks anyways.
[14:47] <Nemin32> phillw: Probably, i should stop trying and search another solution.
[14:47] <phillw> switchtehbeat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[14:48] <phillw> Nemin32: did it not work?
[14:49] <Nemin32> phillw: Sadly it only seems burning Plop into a cd, and using it that way is the only working solution for me.
[14:50] <phillw> no floppy drive?
[14:50] <Nemin32> phillw: As my wicked computer, has the option for booting from USB, but it does not work
[14:50] <Nemin32> No
[14:50] <Nemin32> Just CD and USB
[14:51] <switchtehbeat> thanks phillw
[14:51] <switchtehbeat> :D
[14:52] <phillw> okies, from my memory, there can be a couple of USB options in BIOS - I had to use one that just seemed totally wrong for it to boot from USB stick.
[14:52] <switchtehbeat> I'm moving from ubuntu 14.04.1 because it was lagging. should this be better?
[14:52] <phillw> so I'd suggest trying them all :)
[14:52] <Nemin32> I tried them all.
[14:52] <phillw> switchtehbeat: lubuntu is less resource hungry than ubuntu
[14:53] <switchtehbeat> yeah but i have an i7 with 8gb ram, ubuntu still lagged :(
[14:53] <Nemin32> I have usb- zip,fdd,hdd, and a fourth that i dont remember
[14:53] <phillw> Nemin32: usb-hdd should work. How are yo making the usb stick?
[14:53] <Nemin32> I use Unetbootin, with the downloaded ISO.
[14:53] <phillw> switchtehbeat: could be a graphics card driver issue
[14:54] <switchtehbeat> i have a crap gpu
[14:54] <switchtehbeat> 1sec
[14:54] <switchtehbeat> amd hd 5450 is what i have
[14:54] <phillw> Nemin32: unetbootin can fail, there is OBI which is ready for field testing, if you want to to try it?
[14:54] <switchtehbeat> i don't have the cash to  upgrade yet :(
[14:55] <phillw> switchtehbeat: lubuntu will not strain your GPU :)
[14:55] <Nemin32> obi?
[14:55] <switchtehbeat> thanks phillw can i install along side windows?
[14:55] <Nemin32> May i ask, what is it?
[14:55] <phillw> Nemin32: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI
[14:57] <Nemin32> phillw: It looks good, i will try it :)
[14:57] <phillw> switchtehbeat: yes, lubuntu uses the same installer as all of the family. So, just follow the same rules of making the free disk space using windows etc. etc.
[14:57] <switchtehbeat> thanks
[14:58] <phillw> Nemin32: it's now got to be packaged up as a .deb, has a man file etc. Nio has done astounding work, "with a bit of help from his friends.. :) "
[14:58] <switchtehbeat> 1 more question, sorry. is there an option to backup my settings and apps?
[14:58] <Nemin32> Does it work with only Lubuntu, or with some other? (I am perfectly happy with any, just for curiosity)
[14:58] <switchtehbeat> in the lubuntu settings?
[14:59] <phillw> switchtehbeat: take your own backup :) clonezilla is free and does a good job with GUI if you're at all nervous.
[15:00] <switchtehbeat> I have norton recovery I use for my windows backup BUT because im install along side windows 7, i can't see the drive. or can I?
[15:00] <phillw> Nemin32: it works with all ISO's the wiki page says which ones he has set up. (They are stored on my server)
[15:01] <phillw> switchtehbeat: not too sure if Norton can 'see' ext4 partitions. clonezilla can see both ext4 and ntfs
[15:01] <switchtehbeat> i will try :) god bless you.
[15:01] <switchtehbeat> :D
[15:01] <switchtehbeat> thanks again
[15:08] <Nemin32> phillw: Epic, this will be the "next-gen" linux installer? :)
[15:11] <phillw> Nemin32: it is getting geared up to go for proposal to debian, but that is still ~ 12 months off. The team working on it are happy that it works. As it is based on dd it will always work :) OBI has a sister project https://help.ubuntu.com/community/9w by the same guy.
[15:37] <switchtehbeat> omg! is it normal that lubuntu installs really, really quick? I thought it would be half an hour. went to smoke a cig, come back and it's installed???
[15:37] <switchtehbeat> it's also blazing fast omg :D
[15:46] <phillw> switchtehbeat: oh, it's fast :D
[15:47] <switchtehbeat> it's god damn awesome, ubuntu lagged but at 4.6 it's really showing the speed :D
[15:47] <switchtehbeat> 4.6ghz*
[15:48] <switchtehbeat> thanks for your help btw, i installed through my usb with no problems :D
[15:52] <switchtehbeat> phillw, i wanna install sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree how do i do it with lubuntu? I can't find the terminal -.-
[15:53] <switchtehbeat> nvm lol found it :D thanks! :D
[15:55] <phillw> switchtehbeat: it will take a little while to learn the lubuntu menu system, just be patient. 99% of the time it is there. If you get stuck, do not be shy to ask.
[15:57] <switchtehbeat> yeah it's sorted now :) can I lurk here?
[16:28] <OERIAS> #lubuntu-offtopic
[16:28] <OERIAS> sorry, forgot to /join
[17:31] <patarr> hello. I was wondering why i dont have pidgin notifications in Lubuntu? No panel item, or no libnotify bubbles or anything
[17:31] <holstein> patarr: could be there is an lxde notifier that you can add
[17:33] <holstein> i havent messed with it, personally, but i remember using notify-osd or whtaever main ubuntu uses in lxde to facilitate some notification behavior i preferred
[17:34] <holstein> i might try this older guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1905408 and try not adding any of the PPA's
[17:35] <holstein> i would personally fire up a live CD and experiement with notifications til i get what i want
[17:39] <patarr> installed pidgin-libnotify and libnotify-bin to no avail
[17:39] <patarr> holstein: thanks, i will check that out
[18:45] <Ascavasaion> Hello there, ran an update and my default keyboard has gone from UK to US.  Can someone please tell me how to change it back to UK?
[18:53] <Ascavasaion> Okay, I figured that out :)  Next question... the network manager icon at the right of the panel at the bottom... It is greyed out and I cannot access anything there.  Tooltip says "Network disabled".  How can I get that up and running again permanently please?
[18:54] <holstein> Ascavasaion: i just right click and enable.. but, it can also be hardware switches, or lack of driver support.. more information please..
[18:55] <Ascavasaion> "Enable Network" is greyed out.
[18:56] <holstein> Ascavasaion: ok
[18:56] <holstein> Ascavasaion: so, did it *ever* work?
[18:56] <anarkhos> Ascavasaion: what do you see if you type "ifconfig" in the command-line?
[18:56] <Ascavasaion> Holstein.. yes, Remember yesterday I asked re upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04?  Well I did that upgrade this morning.
[18:56] <Ascavasaion> Since then it does not work.
[18:57] <holstein> Ascavasaion: could be, there is just a simple driver you need to add, or, the driver/module supporting the device is not available to 14.04
[18:57] <holstein> Ascavasaion: did the network work with 14.04 live?
[18:57] <Ascavasaion> If I just click on it I get "No network devices are available"... but I am using it right now.
[18:58] <Ascavasaion> Holstein... I never used 14.04 Live, I ran the update from within 12.04.
[18:58] <holstein> i typically find (assuming you are talking about a wifi connection) that its simplest to connect to wired internet and look for proprietary drivers
[18:58] <Ascavasaion> holstein: The WiFi is working.
[18:58] <Ascavasaion> Holstein... I am here using it.  But there is no way to edit etc.
[18:58] <holstein> Ascavasaion:then, i am not following the question, or issue
[18:59] <Ascavasaion> holstein... I used to be able to edit connections for Wired and Wifi, Mobile as well, from withint that applet.  Now I cannot it says there are no network devices.   But there are, and the WiFi at least is working because I am chatting to you with it right now.
[19:00] <holstein> Ascavasaion: personally, i would look for and apply updates, then, i would look into the user config.. its simple to try another user, even just simply the guest account, and see what the nm-applet is able to control
[19:01] <holstein> Ascavasaion: could be, in the upgrade, the user config is "broken" for the applet to control the network.. you can also try manually running "nm-applet" and see
[19:03] <Ascavasaion> Oddly, it seems my user account has lost sudo access.
[19:03] <holstein> Ascavasaion: then, that can be the issue, right there.. user permissions
[19:03] <holstein> Ascavasaion: i might, if i have *no* other admin access, use the root recovery console to create a new user with sudo admin access, and just login and test and go on from there
[19:04] <Ascavasaion> Tried to run Software Updater and it says I do not have adequate permissions.
[19:04] <holstein> Ascavasaion: sure
[19:04] <holstein> Ascavasaion: you can open a terminal and try "sudo -s"
[19:04] <holstein> Ascavasaion: you can use the recovery console i reference if you have no sudo access in the only user
[19:05] <Ascavasaion> running nm-applet as root and evrything is perfect.
[19:05] <holstein> Ascavasaion: then, its a simple permissions issue with the user
[19:05] <holstein> the user not having "rights" to edit networks
[19:06] <Ascavasaion> Can I do that with Users and Groups under Preferences?
[19:06] <holstein> Ascavasaion: depends.. but, that would be a nice place to start
[19:06] <holstein> just knowing nothing is broken is a step in the right direction
[19:06] <holstein> no need to reinstall packages, or sudo break things, since nothing is broken.. you can just work with the user to give it the permissions you need
[19:07] <Ascavasaion> Cannot use it, I suspect that is because I do not have root privileges... Need to figure out its name and sudo it I think
[19:07] <holstein> Ascavasaion: sudo -s
[19:08] <Ascavasaion> Aaaah, it is called users-admin :)
[19:08] <holstein> Ascavasaion: you open a terminal and run "sudo -s" and see if the user you are using is *able* to sudo
[19:08] <Ascavasaion> sudo -s takes me to root@
[19:08] <holstein> Ascavasaion: then, your user *can* sudo
[19:08] <Ascavasaion> Yes.
[19:08] <holstein> Ascavasaion: so, you can "gksudo application-name" to open them as "root"..
[19:09] <holstein> !groups
[19:09] <holstein> !permission
[19:10] <holstein> may be as easy as adding the user to netdev
[19:10] <holstein> sudo adduser "yourusername" netdev
[19:11] <Ascavasaion> Would that entail a reboot, relogin?
[19:11] <Ascavasaion> Afterwards
[19:12] <holstein> Ascavasaion: yes.. at least a logout and back
[19:12] <Ascavasaion> the adduserworked without errors... let me retry it.
[19:15] <Ascavasaion> Holstein: Okay, it never worked.
[19:16] <holstein> Ascavasaion: sure
[19:16] <holstein> Ascavasaion: *but*, you know what the issue is
[19:16] <Ascavasaion> Yes
[19:16] <holstein> what would i do? personally, i dont do upgrades for these reasons.. i much prefer a fresh install.. that being said, it should be simple enough to track this down
[19:16] <Ascavasaion> Going to create a whole new user account
[19:16] <holstein> yeah.. i would start there.. make a new user, and test and see that all is well
[19:17] <holstein> if it is, i can then either "repair" the old one, or just migrate
[19:17] <Ascavasaion> I cannot cut and paste out of this terminal... let me see if I can out of the other ones.
[19:18] <Ascavasaion> joel@fellowship:~$ sudo -s
[19:18] <Ascavasaion> [sudo] password for joel:
[19:18] <Ascavasaion> no talloc stackframe at ../source3/param/loadparm.c:4864, leaking memory
[19:18] <Ascavasaion> root@fellowship:~#
[19:19] <Ascavasaion> now there I know nothing... users I know a smidgen... but talloc and leaking memory?  Hell no.
[19:21] <Ascavasaion> brb
[19:32] <Ascavasaion> Holstein, Okay, so far a no go.
[20:26] <switchtehbeat> I know I asked before but I tried clonezilla and because I only have 1 HDD, it wouldn't backup my OS. I have tried norton ghost and it doesn't detect ext4. is there anotheer way I can backup lubuntu?
[20:26] <switchtehbeat> I don't see it in any options
[20:26] <switchtehbeat> :(
[20:27] <switchtehbeat> I just installed it on 3 systems but would love backup IN CASE I mess up.....
[20:27] <holstein> switchtehbeat: sure.. i would read more about clonezilla, or ask in the community about them. i backup with it, but its not "trivial"
[20:27] <holstein> if i had one hard drive, the top priority for me would be to get another one, since all drives fail..
[20:27] <switchtehbeat> holstein, I tried to use it, it's a bit complicated but it said I couldn't back to my local hdd :(
[20:28] <holstein> switchtehbeat: sure.. you *shouldnt* be backing up one partition to another on the same drive.
[20:28] <switchtehbeat> where am I suppose to backup too then?
[20:28] <holstein> switchtehbeat: it really depends on what you want a backup of, and for.. personally, i would just copy the /home and files i want to save to a seperate location
[20:29] <switchtehbeat> holstein, I just want a backup of lubuntu
[20:29] <holstein> switchtehbeat: sure. but, "backup" is a large concept with many degrees of results
[20:29] <switchtehbeat> so if I install something bad, I can restore the backup...
[20:29] <holstein> switchtehbeat: typically folks just make a copy of the users /home
[20:29] <wxl> +1 on clonezilla
[20:29] <switchtehbeat> wxl, it's hard to use though :/
[20:30] <melodie> switchtehbeat you should install packages which are provided with the package manager, and nothing directly from internet : so you don't install something bad
[20:30] <switchtehbeat> holstein, yeah but....if i copy it to say my memory stick, how do i copy it back over if i mess up?
[20:30] <switchtehbeat> melodie, yes i know :p
[20:30] <holstein> switchtehbeat: personally, clonezilla works great for a clone of the OS, but i would want another drive
[20:30] <ianorlin> what do you have to copy it onto?
[20:30] <wxl> i mean you could clone a whole drive in like, what, 5-10 mnutes?
[20:30] <wxl> default settings work fine
[20:30] <holstein> switchtehbeat: otherwise, what i suggest is, backup the users /home, and files to a *different* location.. a different drive, and then experiement with installing "bad" things in VM or a live CD
[20:30] <switchtehbeat> discs and memory stick ianorlin
[20:31] <ianorlin> !details
[20:31] <switchtehbeat> holstein, yes but how can I copy it back over ?
[20:31] <holstein> switchtehbeat: if you have the /home files copied, you would reinstall, then, copy the files back over.. all of which would happen in a simple file manager
[20:31] <switchtehbeat> just copy/pasta?
[20:31] <holstein> switchtehbeat: as i said, a simple file manager
[20:31] <switchtehbeat> ugh
[20:31] <wxl> holstein: of course if he is trying to protect a whole install it might make sense to also backup things like /etc
[20:31] <switchtehbeat> I might as well just re-install it -.-
[20:32] <holstein> switchtehbeat: sure.. thats what im saying
[20:32]  * wxl eats a bowl of copy/pasta
[20:32] <switchtehbeat> damn norton it backed up my windows fine omg this is ghey
[20:32] <holstein> switchtehbeat: but, clonezille works well for clonging the OS
[20:32] <switchtehbeat> yes i know but I only have 1 drive
[20:32] <switchtehbeat> :(
[20:32] <holstein> switchtehbeat: nothing about lubuntu is preventing norton from supporting ext4
[20:33] <wxl> switchtehbeat: i usually clone to the same usb key i have clonezilla on
[20:33] <holstein> switchtehbeat: you *need* to get another drive.. even norton backing up windows to the same drive is a bad idea
[20:33] <switchtehbeat> holstein, I can use a memory stick? 16gb should be fine?
[20:33] <holstein> switchtehbeat: *all* hard drives fail, and one need for a backup is for when the drive *does* fail
[20:33] <switchtehbeat> holstein, ^ :p
[20:33] <ianorlin> those aren't the best for backups
[20:33] <ianorlin> as they don't take writing well not much space and easy to lose
[20:34] <ianorlin> it will work but not ideal
[20:34] <wxl> you don't need space for a clone
[20:34] <holstein> switchtehbeat: i dont know what kind of space requirements you have.. but, i suggest an external USB drive.. a simple cheap spinning one. or, even 2 that are mirrored, and in different locations
[20:34] <holstein> depends on what you are backing up and how..
[20:34] <holstein> for a simple desktop sytem, the users /home is typically all folks want/need
[20:34] <switchtehbeat> if i backup a 14gb windows os, will the backup be huge?
[20:35] <switchtehbeat> because right now lubuntu is using 6gb where as windows is using 14gb
[20:35] <wxl> switchtehbeat: if you back the whole thing up, yes. if you clone it with clonezilla, no.
[20:35] <wxl> switchtehbeat: the best way to solve your windows problems is to delete it ;)
[20:35] <switchtehbeat> yeah im gonna clonezilla to my usb stick
[20:35] <holstein> switchtehbeat: i dont use windows, but, i would, as i stated, want a larger simple spinning hard drive to backup or clone *any* os to
[20:35] <switchtehbeat> yeah thanks :)
[20:35] <holstein> windows or linux.. either one
[20:36] <holstein> if all i had was a USB stick, i would just put my data on the stick, and understand that reinstallation is how i "Repair" issues
[20:36] <holstein> i would experiemnt with live CD's and the guest account, or VM
[20:36] <wxl> …or learn how to fix "installation problems" yourself
[20:37] <wxl> undoing things in linux is fairly trivial
[20:37] <switchtehbeat> I like to back things up hahahahhahaha :D
[20:38] <switchtehbeat> just installing lubuntu on my last system :)
[20:38] <holstein> and, you should.. but not to the same hard drive
[20:38] <holstein> its like, you like to and want to, but dont have the proper tools
[20:38] <switchtehbeat> yeah holstein
[20:38] <switchtehbeat> I need cash for a bigger hdd ssd etc
[20:38] <holstein> get a cheap spinning external usb drive.. it'll help tremendously
[20:38] <switchtehbeat> :(
[20:38] <holstein> switchtehbeat: i never said ssd..
[20:38] <switchtehbeat> i did though
[20:38] <switchtehbeat> :p
[20:39] <holstein> switchtehbeat: you *dont* need an ssd drive to have a proper backup of your operating systems
[20:39] <switchtehbeat> yep you're right
[20:40] <holstein> regardless or if/when you migrate to an ssd, the external spinning hard drive will be helpful.. they are handy for storing data and backups and clones..
[20:40] <switchtehbeat> im gonna see if I can do it with my usb stick once it's finished installing lubuntu :)
[20:40] <switchtehbeat> thanks again
[20:42]  * wxl doesn't trust ssds still for desktop use
[20:48] <holstein> wxl: id do.. when i have them backed up to spinning drives :)
[22:19] <Guest95919> hello
[22:20] <Guest95919> can someone help me please
[22:20] <wxl> !ask | Guest95919
[22:21] <Guest95919> ok
[22:22] <Guest95919> i have sound on left on alsamixer
[22:22] <Guest95919> and the sound is poor
[22:23] <wxl> i'm not sure i see the question.
[22:23] <Guest95919> can i change  for another like pulseaudio?
[22:24] <wxl> you can use pulseaudio if you like, but if you have hardware problems (seems like it), it won't fix it, and it will just make your system load greater.
[22:25] <wxl> pulseaudio is an ADDITION to alsa (what we use). you don't actually replace something with it.
[22:26] <Guest95919> can i change it for another?
[22:27] <wxl> not really. there are very few actual sound servers out there. the only other option is oss and it has more or less been abandoned by the linux community.
[22:27] <wxl> i would start by looking into fixing the problem on the hardware end.
[22:28] <wxl> if you can confirm it's not a hardware problem, then i would look into drivers.
[22:28] <wxl> if you can confirm is not the drivers, you can look at how you have alsamixer setup (maybe volume is too loud and one of the channels is muted)
[22:28] <wxl> if that doesn't fix it, you can try pulseaudio, but i have serious doubts it will help
[22:28] <wxl> (since pulseaudio runs on top of alsa)
[22:28] <Guest95919> i was using ubuntu 12.04 lts and i don't have problem
[22:30] <wxl> then try pulseaudio. you can always rmeove it. you may have one of those troublesome sound cards that appears to need it.
[22:30] <Guest95919> i dont think its a hardware problem
[22:32] <Guest95919> i said that because i use windows on dual boot and its ok
[22:34] <Guest95919> do you have other suggestion than pulseaudio?
[22:37] <Guest95919> thank you have a nice day
[22:37] <Guest95919> bye
[23:24] <anarkhos> hi
[23:24] <anarkhos> "1. Run: dmesg > dmesg_before; echo mem > /sys/power/state; dmesg > dmesg_after"
[23:25] <anarkhos> am i supposed to press enter where the semicolons are?
[23:26] <orliesaurus> no you can do it all at once
[23:26] <wxl> anarkhos: you could
[23:26] <orliesaurus> ; is just separating the commands
[23:26] <orliesaurus> so they run in succession
[23:26] <wxl> but yeah it's written so you do it all at once
[23:27] <anarkhos> ahh
[23:54] <anarkhos> "If dmesg_after exists, it means that the system can be resumed from BIOS, so it's likely to be a graphics issue." - it exists. so it is maybe a graphics issue after all?
[23:54] <wxl> sounds like it, anarkhos
[23:55] <anarkhos> i thought so in the beginning, but had largely dismissed that possibility
[23:57] <anarkhos> "Enable "CONFIG_PM_DEBUG" in kernel configuration, so that we can use /sys/power/pm_test." - how can i do that?


[00:00] <Eickmeyer> Haha, k
[00:34] <OvenWerks> runs now
[01:19] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Ok, still playing with it. If Jack is not running, theoretically I should be able to assign one of the pulse bridges to a system:capture or a system:playback, correct?
[01:20] <Eickmeyer> So that when it does connect it automatically connects, right?
[01:20] <OvenWerks> yup up to 17-18
[01:20] <Eickmeyer> Ok, prior to starting Jack, if I select an input or output pair, it goes back to "no connection" immediately.
[01:21] <Eickmeyer> That's the current behavior.
[01:22] <OvenWerks> odd. but the drop down shows 10 entries?
[01:23] <Eickmeyer> Yes, dropdown shows 10 entries, but it will not stay on one of the selections other than "no connection" if Jack is not running. It might be checking to see what the current connection is, and, not seeing one, poofs it.
[01:24] <OvenWerks> I think it is rebuilding the list too often.
[01:24] <OvenWerks> We check if jack has started frequently
[01:25] <OvenWerks>  Thanks, Will fix that next
[01:25] <Eickmeyer> Ok, that explains the 5.3% CPU usage by -controls.
[01:25] <Eickmeyer> Which is REALLY high, if you ask me.
[01:26] <OvenWerks> will have to think...
[01:26] <Eickmeyer> OK
[01:28] <OvenWerks> we can have autojack send a message that jack has started
[01:28] <OvenWerks> rather than testing. That does not pick up someone starting jackd or jackdbus by some other method
[02:09] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: If someone starts the interface (after staring Jack from some other method) it should know. If Controls is running when Jack is started by some other method, then it shouldn't matter since they can just restart Controls.
[02:09] <OvenWerks> ok
[02:13] <OvenWerks> Actually it shouldn't be rebuilding the GUI so often anyway. Need to figure out why.
 @Eickmeyer before I accept this package, take a look at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MHhwx36k62/ and determine if your copyright file is malformed or missing proper lines
 because it sounds like you're missing matches
 whereby you have unused paragraphs and wildcards which don't match anything
 it's me nitpicking I know, but just asking that you check before I push it up
[02:56] <Eickmeyer> teward001: Nah, that makes sense. Basically, the first one is an incorrect path. I'll go through and fix stuff.
[02:57] <Eickmeyer> Second one is a typo.
[03:17] <Eickmeyer> Third and fourth are dependent on errors 1 and 2.
[03:17] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: Pushed fix.
 looks better
 Eickmeyer: I: lv2vst: hardening-no-bindnow usr/lib/vst/lv2vst/lv2vst.so <— i assume this isn't able to be hardened with bindnow or relro?  Not required to my knowledge, but preferred if it can be used for hardening.
 also I: lv2vst source: debian-watch-file-is-missing <— something to add in the future to make gbp work better :P
 but not critical on the 2nd
 neither are blocking just curious
[03:58] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: It's literally a plugin wrapper that can be used to create other plugins. Hence it installs to /usr/lib/vst/lv2vst since it exposes LV2 plugins as VSTs. However, the context in which it is to be used is as a build dep for avldrums.lv2.
[04:00] <Eickmeyer> Both of which are developed by Robin Gaerus, which is one of the lead developers of Ardour and works for Harisson Consoles to develop Harrison Mixbus which is derived from Ardour.
[04:02] <Eickmeyer> (avldrums.lv2 will be the next package I have for you to review)
[04:30] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: Added a debian/watch file.
 @Eickmeyer [<Eickmeyer> @teward001: It's literally a plugin wrapper that can be used to crea …], ack
 @Eickmeyer [<Eickmeyer> @teward001: Added a debian/watch file.], cool.
 i'll take another look later today
[17:51] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: I appreciate it.
[17:52] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: RE: AMD governor issue: handsome_feng (Ubuntu Kylin lead and part of the Kernel team) assigned himself the bug.
[18:18] <OvenWerks> Ok, good to know. Eickmeyer I am assuming that seeing as the governor did work for you before, that when fixed our code will work again.
[19:42] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's correct.
[19:43] <Eickmeyer> In other news, the secondary hard drive (the one that stored my home directory) just died, so I may have lost some data. Not sure how much yet.


[11:04] <xubuntu52i> help
[11:04] <xubuntu52i> help
[11:05] <xubuntu52i> the instaltion is running in loop
[11:05] <xubuntu52i> anyone?
[12:05] <palf_rec_guitar> test2
[14:08] <pascal0776> hi
[14:09] <diogenes_> hi
[17:25] <monday15> hi! anybody uses xubuntu 18.04?
[18:42] <brainwash> monday15: some do
[18:43] <brainwash> monday15: what do you actually want to know?
[20:11] <laceylaney> Hey guys. Recently PulseAudio has been automatically lowering the volume randomly. Any way I can stop this from happening ??
[21:27] <caldarella> >>hi guys, I would like restore default HOME folders and and their respective default icons. I have run the 'xdg-user-dirs-update' command, the folders were created, while the default icons no. >>Why?
[23:31] <vimar> Hi


[02:36] <bspencer> tko: are you around?
[02:51] <horaceli> bspencer, howdy
[02:51] <bspencer> howdy
[02:51] <horaceli> we 'll have a meeting 7 minutes later. are you in office now?
[02:52] <bspencer> yes
[02:52] <horaceli> Oops. i entered the wrong channel
[02:52] <bspencer> :) np
[05:47] <tko> bspencer: at 3am I'm usually sleeping.. usually I wouldn't be awake for a few hours still
[11:52] <Mithrandir> morning everybody
[11:52] <Mithrandir> I should send out a preliminary agenda for a meeting on Thursday
[02:44] <ubuntu-mobile> somebody kwows where I can find list of components, libs, X-stufs .. for ubuntu mobile ?
[02:50] <agoliveira> ubuntu-mobile: What do you mean by "list of components"?
[02:51] <jozzel> I mean which components is it going to use , kernel, ulibc , ...
[02:51] <jozzel> or is it more general , and the choice is free,
[02:52] <jozzel> which kind of embedded X is it going to use , ...
[02:54] <agoliveira> Right now it will be the same as Ubuntu has as it's going to be used for web tablets and hardware like that. After, there will probably be changes in this area but there's nothing certain yet.
[02:55] <Mithrandir> hi Adilson
[02:55] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Hi there!
[02:55] <Mithrandir> do you have any items for the agenda for the meeting on Thursday?
[02:56] <jozzel> On which platvorms will it be suported , ARM, MIPS , ...
[02:56] <jozzel> ?
[02:56] <Mithrandir> jozzel: initially, an ia32-compatible called lpia
[02:57] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Perhaps talk about the point we are now. I didn't think about it yet.;
[02:58] <Mithrandir> I'm planning on sending out an invitation for the meeting later today, so if something pops up, tell me
[02:59] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Oh, sorry, you were talking about the embedded meeting not the devel meeting. For that I don't have any specifics actually, I just want to wrap-up the issues of last week and set the points to the continued work.
[03:01] <Mithrandir> yes, the embedded meeting.
[03:01] <Mithrandir> ok, so a summary of the work done in mountain view
[03:01] <agoliveira> Yes
[03:09] <jozzel> ia32 , is that lpia , can someone tell me more about that ? Or where can I find more about it ?
[03:10] <inz> http://www.intel.com/technology/systems/lpia/
[03:10] <jozzel> got it: Low power on Intel Architecture
[05:24] <agoliveira> Yes, that's silly as hell but that's way it was done.
[05:27] <happycube> lol a zaurus
[05:27] <happycube> and i think a clie
[06:44] <tko> bspencer: maemo 3.x all include the old hildon-libs. hildon-1 will be included in chinook/4.x (it's the "Consolidated Hildon Framework" in the roadmap)
[06:46] <bspencer> tko: Thx.  So 3.x will eventually be obsolete and the "Consolidated Hildon Framework" is the future, 4.x, and what Nokia will be using going forward.
[06:47] <tko> bspencer: yes
[06:47] <tko> the motion is generally forward :)
[06:47] <bspencer> tko: how often does a new tag get applied (e.g. 0.0.18)?  Is there some validation with each tag?
[06:49] <tko> bspencer: depends.. at least when things need to be pushed to internal integration which might be weekly, some times maybe more often, sometimes less
[06:49] <bspencer> does 0.0.18 exist now?
[06:49] <tko> validation in current setup is more or less "it works on the developers environment"
[06:49] <tko> dunno, I'd have to check
[06:49] <bspencer> me too
[06:50] <jacob-laptop> hi Ben, i have ported poulsbo patches to 2.6.22 kernel. how should i send it to you? i already pushed it into our local git
[06:50] <tko> http://repository.maemo.org/sardine/armel/sardine/packagestatus.html says hildon-desktop 0.0.18-1 is in sardine, which is a good sign in that it proves the tag actually built :)
[06:51] <tko> (can be found via sardine.garage.maemo.org / Build environment)
[06:51] <tko> so you could consider sardine status as additional validation step
[06:54] <bspencer> a good link.  thanks.
[07:18] <rusty> hmm.... the gutsy apt package changed it's "Priority:" from "required" to "important"... now debootstrap doesn't install apt
[07:18] <tko> who needs apt anyway? :)
[07:31] <happycube> lol
[08:54] <moimart> hi
[08:58] <agoliveira> moimart: Ola Moises, que pasa? :)
[08:58] <agoliveira> moimart: Had a good trip back home?
[08:59] <moimart> agoliveira: bien y tu? :)
[09:00] <moimart> agoliveira: yeah, i slept all the way home :)
[09:00] <moimart> agoliveira: and you?
[09:01] <agoliveira> moimart: Lucky bastard :) It wasn't the best flight I had in my life but was better that the other way around.
[09:04] <moimart> agoliveira: when checking in one of the attendes told us if we wanted to be volunteers for losing the plane, get another one the next day and be paid 600
[09:04] <moimart> agoliveira: we weren't so lucky bastards :(
[09:05] <agoliveira> moimart: Hmmm... In cash? If I had the option I would jump on it ;)
[09:05] <agoliveira> Or better: I would trade for a 1st class seat!
[09:06] <moimart> agoliveira: yeah in cash, but eventually there were seats for us :)
[09:07] <moimart> when we heard 600 we said "yeah of course, count me in" :)
[09:41] <bspencer> moimart: hi -- how was the flight home?
[09:41] <bspencer> moimart: do you know about the Nokia patch to gtk to detect when an edit field gets/loses focus ?
[09:43] <moimart> bspencer: fine, and yours?
[09:43] <bspencer> moimart: whew, that 1hr flight was a killer ;)
[09:43] <tko> bspencer: that's built in to gtkentry already and it proxies the info to im context
[09:43] <Mithrandir> bspencer: any idea if you'll make it to London the week before guadec?
[09:44] <moimart> bspencer: Mine, seemed to last one hour for me
[09:45] <bspencer> tko: aha.  is that code you pushed upstream?
[09:46] <moimart> bspencer: btw, there gonna be radical changes in libhildondesktop
[09:46] <bspencer> moimart: better not
[09:46] <bspencer> or we'll be sleeping in your living room while you re-teach us
[09:46] <tko> bspencer: that part has been there forever.. we have some changes that affect calls to gtk_im_context_reset I don't completely understand
[09:46] <moimart> bspencer: we decided we are gonna rename the prefix hildon_desktop_ by hd_
[09:47] <moimart> bspencer: nothing to worry actually :)
[09:47] <bspencer> tko: is it possible with stock gtk to get notification for keyboard to start/stop?
[09:48] <bspencer> is that what gtk_im_context_reset does for us?
[09:48] <bspencer> (I'll go find that code)
[09:48] <bspencer> Mithrandir: hopefully.  At least a 2-3 days are planned.
[09:49] <Mithrandir> bspencer: good to hear
[09:53] <tko> bspencer: I think the necessary logic for showing/hiding the keyboard for gtkentry and gtktextview is possible withing imcontext. we export the show/show functions for widgets imcontext doesn't know about. the reset changes are related to word completion IIRC
[09:56] <bspencer> word completion -- hmm.. that's too fancy for us yet. ;)     I'll look at imcontext.  thx.


[00:02] <reid> ah thanks
[00:02] <reid> I was actually just missing a header file >.<
[01:09] <benc1> where are python packages installed on ubuntu Jaunty?
[01:10] <tonyyarusso> benc1: are you looking for a specific piece or package?
[01:11] <benc1> tonyyarusso: yes. I've installed a package with pip and don't know how to remove it
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> Because "packages" install all over the place.
[01:11] <benc1> tonyyarusso: I've did pyp install
[01:11] <benc1> sorry: pip install
[01:12] <tonyyarusso> maybe 'pip remove' or 'pip uninstall'?
[01:12] <tonyyarusso> I'm not familiar with pip at all - only dpkg.
[01:12] <benc1> tonyyarusso: there is pip-uninstall separate package but it is expermintal and I don't want to do dmamage
[01:12] <benc1> tonyyarusso: can I just delete the package folder to remove it manually?
[01:13] <tonyyarusso> No idea.  What does this tool even do?
[01:13] <tonyyarusso> What package provides 'pip'?
[01:14] <benc1> it's included in some python package. looking for it
[03:11] <r00tintheb0x> Who wants to see something SUPER sexy?!
[03:12] <r00tintheb0x> woooooot!!! http://pastebin.ca/raw/1425066
[03:12] <r00tintheb0x> Thank GOD I got it working, its been out of sync since Ike.
[03:12] <r00tintheb0x> And its customer Oracle database data.
[03:12]  * r00tintheb0x wipes brow.
[03:13] <r00tintheb0x> 1.81 terabytes of data.
[03:13] <r00tintheb0x> And, im getting these messages too.
[03:13] <r00tintheb0x> May 16 20:37:36 nas-node1 smartd[3687]: Device: /dev/hda, 2 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors
[03:13] <r00tintheb0x> May 16 21:07:36 nas-node1 smartd[3687]: Device: /dev/hda, 2 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors
[03:14] <r00tintheb0x> Anyone know what those are about... drive just going bad?
[03:16] <twb> Ike?
[03:17] <PhotoJim> Dwight D. Eisenhower, I assume.
[03:17] <PhotoJim> Somewhat better known than if he'd said "Dief".
[03:19] <r00tintheb0x> huh?
[03:19] <r00tintheb0x> Yeah, Ike.
[03:19] <r00tintheb0x> Hurricane Ike...
[03:19] <r00tintheb0x> Im from Houston. I had to move 15 servers from one location to another.
[03:19] <r00tintheb0x> Never got HA/DRBD reconfigured... until tolday.
[03:20] <r00tintheb0x> our two NAS boxes are syncing again, nas-node1 to nas-node2 right now.
[03:22] <r00tintheb0x>  /dev/drbd0            1.8T  972G  769G  56% /data
[03:22] <r00tintheb0x> That would have been a lot of data to lose.
[03:28] <PhotoJim> ahh.  see, we haven't had a hurricane since the dinosaur era.  so I thought of Eisenhower.
[03:34] <twb> I only know about monsoons.
[03:34] <twb> I thought Ike was a foreign abbreviation for a month or day name, like "Lun" for Monday.
[03:48] <r00tintheb0x> Yeah...
[03:48] <r00tintheb0x> But like I was saying, its nice to have DRBD syncing.
[03:48] <r00tintheb0x> Next is an Oracle 10G DB HA.
[03:49] <r00tintheb0x> Not too sure now im going to keep the databases in sync.
[03:49] <r00tintheb0x> I guess with a dump and restore.
[04:25] <TimReichhart> could anybody tell me what how passwords are encrypt in ubuntu/mysql
[04:27] <tonyyarusso> TimReichhart: well, Ubuntu as an OS uses /etc/shadow, and I think they're either MD5 or SHA-1 hashes.  Not sure about MySQL.
[04:28] <TimReichhart> well I know MD5 passwords is not working on mysql with roundcube
[04:28] <TimReichhart> so im trying to figure out what type of MD5 its using
[04:29] <TimReichhart> lets say this is regluar MD5 password of 7b9f9e7f9eb41cbea2d1 and that password doesnt work but if I use this: tJhggTSs3Dotw  it works just fine
[04:33] <TimReichhart> so any ideas?
[04:41] <jmarsden> TimReichhart: Why do you care exactly how MySQL encodes its passwords?  Are you hoping to crack them???  as long as whatever it encodes them into is in a form that fits in the mysql database field for that password hash, you shouldn't need to care exactly how it was encoded...
[04:42] <TimReichhart> well is because I am trying to make a page so I can add users to my database
[04:42] <jmarsden> Users do not care that md5 is being used...
[04:43] <jmarsden> They type in a userbname and pw, you let the app encode it however it wants and store it...
[04:43] <TimReichhart> listen I tried it with MD5 it doesnt work
[04:43] <TimReichhart> trust me
[04:44] <jmarsden> OK.  If you say so.  I run Roundcube on a server with about 1000 users, and it does work... :)
[04:44] <TimReichhart> ok but are you using mysql to handle roundcube?
[04:44] <TimReichhart> is your postfix on mysql? and is ur dovecot on mysql?
[04:46] <TimReichhart> well jmarsden im asking u a question are you going to answer back?
[04:49] <TimReichhart> jmarsden im still waiting on your answer
[05:02] <jmarsden> TimReichhart: Yes and Yes.  I am marked as being away for a reason... I'm about to have to drive 140+ miles round trip... (supposed to leave 2 minutes ago) ... I can't really deal with this in detail now!
[05:03] <TimReichhart> well then dont say its going to work with out giving your answer
[05:09] <giovani3> TimReichhart: this is community support, no need to demand things
[05:09] <TimReichhart> well I dont except somebody to tell me its going to work when I just said it doesnt
[05:10] <giovani3> well you may have different situations
[05:10] <giovani3> roundcube is opensource, so look at its code to see how its encoding the passwords
[05:10] <giovani3> it might be using a salt
[05:10] <giovani3> or a double-md5
[05:11] <giovani3> this channel also isn't #roundcube so ...
[05:11] <TimReichhart> see anytime I try to put anything to this script i get this Warning: hash() [function.hash]: Unknown hashing algorithm: double-md5 in /var/www/index.php on line 28
[05:12] <giovani3> that channel does exist, you might want to ask about that there
[05:12] <giovani3> TimReichhart: hahahaha
[05:12] <TimReichhart> only thing that works is md5
[08:26] <shyam> hi trying to do localnet boot reading help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet and as guided by CarlFK... am trying with dhcp3-server and tftp the package tftp failed as i got error that tftp-server can
[08:27] <shyam> can't have tsize option..
[08:27] <shyam> now so i changed to tftp-hpa. but it  isn't working:(
[08:28] <shyam> have configued /etc/default/tftp-hpa as per that doc and added  "tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd in.tftpd /tftpboot" to /etc/inetd.conf .. no idea whats going wrong..
[08:29] <shyam> and tried restarting /etc/init.d/xinetd and /etc/init.d/tftp-hda but all results in "tftp open time out"(on net boot client) "transfer timed out"(on doing "tftp localhost")
[08:32] <shyam> anyone free?
[08:50]  * shyam going for a restart..
[09:23] <shyam> now tftp problem is solved.. it boot to busybox ash shell with (initramfs) prompt
[09:23] <shyam> what next?
[09:25] <shyam> am trying it a bit twisted way.. i am trying to use a live cd with casper directory having filesystem.squashfs and things .. would that be a problem that its a live cd not an alternate cd?
[10:38] <shyam> as i try to net boot its stuck at (initramfs) and as i type exit there, it says cp:unable to open /root/var/log/ no such file or dicretory and /root/dev but i donno how did that /root/ got in additionally..
[10:38] <shyam> i.e it should be looking at /var/log instead of /root right?
[11:06] <shyam> now it says "target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init"
[11:06] <shyam> as i exit from initramfs prompt
[13:43] <w8tah-LT> can someone please point me to the instructions for setting up a software RAID on ubuntu?
[13:43] <w8tah-LT> (technically a mirror)
[13:46] <giovani3> w8tah-LT: during install, or post-install?
[13:47] <W8TAH> during install
[13:47] <giovani2> well the options are there in the installer
[13:47] <giovani2> let me see if I can find a little guide or some screenshots
[13:48] <giovani2> http://advosys.ca/viewpoints/2007/04/setting-up-software-raid-in-ubuntu-server/
[13:48] <giovani2> you just create the raid devices on the physical drive
[13:48] <giovani2> and then create the partitions on the raid device
[13:49] <w8tah-LT> thanks
[14:04] <Tuxist> I have problem with libnss-ldap I have overide the default ccache location in ldap.conf but nothing is happen they search the ticket in /tmp/krb5cc_o I use ubuntu 9.04
[14:06] <Tuxist> under debian 5.0 I have no problems
[17:26] <VSpike> Hiya. Can i directly upgrade 8.04 LTS to 9.04?
[17:27] <Nafallo> no
[17:29] <W8TAH> ive got a server with a possibly corrupted disk as part of a LVM group -- i have been trying to check it - -and not having much success -- can someone please help me?
[17:30] <giovani2> W8TAH: what specifically have you not been having success with?
[17:30] <W8TAH> im currently booted from a live cd -- trying to use fsck but its complaing
[17:30] <W8TAH> and not giving me any results
[17:31] <W8TAH> says it cant find fsck.lvm2pv
[17:31] <W8TAH> ive got e2fstools installed
[17:32] <giovani2> e2fs is for ext partitions
[17:32] <giovani2> lvm is defintiely not ext
[17:32] <W8TAH> ok
[17:32] <W8TAH> what should i be using to work on it then?
[17:32] <giovani2> well it depends on what's corrupted
[17:33] <giovani2> is it the LVM partition that's corrupted or the extX partition on top of LVM that's corrupted?
[17:33] <giovani2> and what commands did you execute that failed?
[17:34] <W8TAH> its a samba file server - we cant get get to the data on thats on the lvm
[17:34] <W8TAH> but - the /partition boots with no problems
[17:34] <W8TAH> so i know that disk (sda) is ok
[17:34] <W8TAH> when its running the console has all kinds of disk errors scrolling across it
[17:35] <giovani2> that sounds like the disk is not ok
[17:35] <giovani2> just because some areas of the disk are fine, doesn't mean others are bad
[17:35] <giovani2> err, doesn't mean others aren't bad*
[17:35] <giovani2> are your drives SMART-compatible?
[17:35] <W8TAH> yes
[17:36] <giovani2> have you run SMART checks on them?
[17:36] <W8TAH> i ran the long check -- it took 160 minutes and hasnt told me anything -- i let it run overnight - and no data was on the screen when i came back
[17:36] <giovani2> long checks can take a while
[17:37] <giovani2> how about the short tests?
[17:37] <W8TAH> again -- i ran one - -took 2 minutes -- and no data output -- i think maybe i dont know how to make it tell me what it finds
[17:40] <W8TAH> ok -- i found how to get the output --
[17:40] <W8TAH> its says in both tests -- read failure
[17:41] <giovani2> can you paste the command you ran, and the output to a pastebin?
[17:41] <giovani2> that'd be clearer for me to understand
[17:42] <W8TAH> unfortunatly no -- the machine is across the room running on a live cd, so i cannot ssh in etc
[17:42] <giovani2> you can't ssh out from it?
[17:42] <giovani2> or scp it out
[17:43] <giovani2> a read error is not a good sign
[17:43] <giovani2> but I'd need to see the context
[17:43] <W8TAH> i tried to ssh in and it wants a password
[17:43] <W8TAH> which doesnt exist
[17:43] <W8TAH> because its live cd
[17:43] <W8TAH> unless i shouldnt be using live cd
[17:43] <giovani2> I just meant from the livecd box
[17:43] <giovani2> output the smartctl command and output to a file
[17:43] <W8TAH> oh - -let me see
[17:44] <giovani2> and then scp that file to another box on the network
[17:44] <W8TAH> ok -- one min
[17:44] <giovani2> where you can then pastebin from
[17:44] <giovani2> or access the internet directly from the livecd
[17:44] <W8TAH> might be able to do that - -hang on a sec
[17:46] <W8TAH> http://pastebin.ca/1425577
[17:49] <W8TAH> the command is sudo smartctl -t short /dev/hdb
[17:49] <giovani2> well read failures during self tests are signs that the drive has bad sectors and/or is failing
[17:49] <giovani2> or that you stopped the test somehow
[17:49] <W8TAH> i didnt stop the test
[17:49] <giovani2> ok
[17:49] <giovani2> then it sounds like the drive may be going bad
[17:49] <W8TAH> ok - is there any way to grab whatever data off it that i can
[17:50] <giovani2> is the filesystem unmountable?
[17:50] <giovani2> if the data is critical, I'd recommend using dd to make a perfect bit-for-bit copy of the drive as it is -- which you can then work on repairing, etc for the data later
[17:50] <W8TAH> its not critical
[17:51] <W8TAH> its student projects for my 4-8th grade classes
[17:51] <W8TAH> id LIKE to recover it if feasible
[17:51] <W8TAH> i had a faliure in my backup chain
[17:51] <W8TAH> so i dont have recent backups
[17:51] <giovani2> ok
[17:51] <giovani2> well if the filesystem is unmountable, you can continue to try to fsck it
[17:51] <giovani2> but, if possible, it's best to use dd to make a bit-for-bit copy of the drive
[17:52] <W8TAH> ok - how do i do that?
[17:52] <giovani2> then if you do something bad to the filesystem, or the drive fails further, you have a copy of it
[17:52] <giovani2> how big is the drive?
[17:52] <W8TAH> 250 gb
[17:52] <giovani2> how much of it has data on it?
[17:52] <W8TAH> not much -- maybe 20gb at the very outside
[17:52] <giovani2> ok
[17:53] <giovani2> do you have another drive somewhere that you can plug into the system?
[17:53] <W8TAH> yes
[17:53] <giovani2> external, or internal -- or a fast network connection and a fileserver?
[17:53] <W8TAH> ive got a 150gb drive in an enclosure
[17:53] <W8TAH> that i can plug in via usb
[17:53] <giovani2> ok, plug that in and mount it
[17:53] <giovani2> I presume it has a good amount of free space on it?
[17:53] <W8TAH> compltely empty
[17:53] <giovani2> great
[17:54] <W8TAH> boot into server or keep working from the live cd?
[17:54] <giovani2> stay on the livecd
[17:54] <W8TAH> ok -
[17:54] <W8TAH> gimme a min -- i need to install the drive etc
[17:54] <giovani2> ok
[17:56] <giovani2> now you said you had LVM on this drive, are you using LVM to span filesystems across multiple drives?
[17:57] <W8TAH> yes
[18:03] <W8TAH> ok --  ive got the external drive mounted --
[18:03] <W8TAH> never used dd before
[18:03] <W8TAH> the manpage doesnt quite seem to indicate what to do
[18:05] <giovani2> ok, well this is much more complex since you're using lvm, particularly with multiple drives
[18:05] <giovani2> because the data is disparate, potentially
[18:05] <W8TAH> i was kinda afraid of that
[18:05] <W8TAH> when it gets rebuilt it will be raid
[18:05] <giovani2> how many drives are in the LVM Volume Group?
[18:05] <W8TAH> 2
[18:05] <W8TAH> 2 physical
[18:05] <giovani2> ok, well I'd image both of them to be safe, I suppose
[18:05] <W8TAH> makes sense to me
[18:06] <giovani2> dd if=/dev/sdX | gzip -9 > /your/usb/volume/here/drive1.dd
[18:06] <giovani2> that'll copy every bit dd can off of the drive, and then compress it all
[18:06] <W8TAH> ok - -cool
[18:06] <W8TAH> do that to both?
[18:07] <giovani2> yes, but hold on one sec while I look something up
[18:07] <W8TAH> ok
[18:07] <W8TAH> thanks
[18:10] <giovani2> let's do a `dd if=/dev/sdX conv=noerror,sync | gzip -9 > /your/usb/volume/here/drive1.dd
[18:10] <W8TAH> ok
[18:10] <giovani2> there will be -some- data loss, obviously, where the drive has bad sectors
[18:10] <giovani2> so we're trying to maximize what can be saved
[18:10] <W8TAH> include the accent mark b4 dd?
[18:10] <W8TAH> ok
[18:10] <giovani2> no, no accent mark, sorry
[18:10] <W8TAH> ok
[18:11] <wizardslovak> anyone with email server?
[18:11] <giovani2> wizardslovak: plenty of us, yes
[18:12] <wizardslovak> ok is there way i can check if i got imap installed?
[18:12] <giovani2> wizardslovak: imap being a protocol, and not a specific server/daemon/application, no
[18:12] <wizardslovak> i am trying to figure out why i cant loggin on squirrelmail
[18:12] <giovani2> did you install an imap server?
[18:13] <W8TAH> giovani2: ok -- its running
[18:13] <giovani2> W8TAH: ok
[18:14] <wizardslovak> yes i installed it
[18:14] <giovani2> wizardslovak: WHICH one?
[18:17] <W8TAH> giovani2: its running -- its showing progress (200mb copied so far) but also showing a bunch of I/O errors
[18:17] <giovani2> W8TAH: yep ... that'll happen
[18:17] <W8TAH> ok
[18:17] <W8TAH> cool
[18:17] <giovani2> your drive is dying -- we're saving what we can
[18:17] <W8TAH> kewl
[18:17] <W8TAH> thanks
[18:18] <thewrathjr> hey all
[18:18] <thewrathjr> which one is better 8.04 or 9.04 server?
[18:19] <giovani2> thewrathjr: "better" is all relative -- 9.04 is recently released
[18:19] <thewrathjr> true
[18:19] <thewrathjr> are most users still using hte lts release
[18:19] <giovani2> honestly, I don't know what percentage of people use which
[18:19] <giovani2> I run the latest, when possible
[18:19] <thewrathjr> ok
[18:19] <thewrathjr> what do you use giovani2
[18:19] <giovani2> ^
[18:20] <thewrathjr> oh ok
[18:20] <thewrathjr> giovani2, sorry i didnt see that
[18:20] <thewrathjr> lol
[18:20] <giovani2> which means a few of my servers run 8.10
[18:20] <giovani2> and a few run 9.04
[18:20] <giovani2> depending on when I installed them
[18:20] <W8TAH> thewrathjr: id go for the LTS
[18:20] <W8TAH> i try to keep my servers on the LTS release
[18:21] <wizardslovak> i upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04
[18:21] <wizardslovak> i am newbie in it anyways
[18:21] <giovani2> wizardslovak: ok, you still haven't told me what imap server you installed
[18:22] <wizardslovak> i cant find it
[18:22] <wizardslovak> i think courier
[18:22] <giovani2> ok, is courier running?
[18:22] <giovani2> ps aux | grep -i courier
[18:23] <thewrathjr> k
[18:23] <wizardslovak> ok
[18:24] <thewrathjr> what do you guys runon ur servers?
[18:24] <wizardslovak> http://pastebin.com/m632c1b1b
[18:25] <wizardslovak> thewrathjr: os lol you?
[18:25] <giovani2> thewrathjr: you'd have to be more specific than that
[18:25] <thewrathjr> yes
[18:25] <thewrathjr> like what services?
[18:25] <giovani2> thewrathjr: too many to count
[18:25] <thewrathjr> can you say some?
[18:26] <wizardslovak> LAMP
[18:26] <wizardslovak> giovani2: check pastebin
[18:26] <giovani2> lighttpd, postfix, dovecot, opensshd, apache, openradius
[18:26] <giovani2> wizardslovak: ok, so, some part of courier is running, not sure if that's just the auth setup
[18:26] <thewrathjr> wahts the difference btween lighthttpd and apache
[18:26] <thewrathjr> and what is openradious
[18:27] <W8TAH> thewrathjr: LAMP and samba here
[18:27] <wizardslovak> giovani2: what are you using for checking mail on postfix?
[18:27] <giovani2> thewrathjr: too numerous to count -- lighttpd is tons smaller, and faster for certain jobs
[18:27] <thewrathjr> ok
[18:27] <giovani2> wizardslovak: what do you mean "checking mail"?
[18:27] <giovani2> thewrathjr: openradius is a RADIUS server -- a large topic -- google it
[18:27] <thewrathjr> wahts no numerous?
[18:27] <thewrathjr> oh nvm
[18:27] <thewrathjr> what is Openradius?
 thewrathjr: openradius is a RADIUS server -- a large topic -- google it
[18:28] <giovani2> wizardslovak: sudo /etc/init.d/courier-imap start
[18:28] <wizardslovak> ok well something like squirrelmail ,so i can check email true web browser
[18:28] <giovani2> wizardslovak: I don't use webmail, it's horrible
[18:28] <giovani2> but when I did -- I used roundcube, and horde/imp
[18:29] <wizardslovak> how to check email then?
[18:29] <wizardslovak> shell
[18:29] <giovani2> uh ... using a mail application
[18:29] <giovani2> like kmail, or outlook, or thunderbird, or mutt, or pine
[18:30] <wizardslovak> ooo
[18:30] <wizardslovak> giovani
[18:30] <wizardslovak> giovani2: "no such file or directory"
[18:31] <giovani2> wizardslovak: sounds like you don't have courier installed then
[18:31] <wizardslovak> ok so i need imap
[18:31] <giovani2> sudo apt-get install courier-imap
[18:31] <giovani2> imap is a protocol
[18:31] <giovani2> you don't "have/get/need" it
[18:31] <giovani2> you need an -imap server-
[18:31] <wizardslovak> yes i need it for squirelmail
[18:31] <giovani2> sigh
[18:33] <wizardslovak> giovani2: i am newbie
[18:33] <wizardslovak> so i might sometimes ask too many question
[18:33] <wizardslovak> s
[18:33] <giovani2> you're just not listening to me
[18:33] <giovani2> imap is a protocol, you need an IMAP SERVER
[18:33] <wizardslovak> ok i installed courier imap
[18:33] <giovani2> courier-imap is an imap server
[18:33] <thewrathjr> what is Openradius?
[18:33] <wizardslovak> ok thank you
[18:33] <giovani2> thewrathjr: I've answered that question TWICE now
[18:33] <wizardslovak> i got it installed
 <giovani2> thewrathjr: openradius is a RADIUS server -- a large topic -- google it
[18:34] <W8TAH> giovani2: is this data copy likely to be a lengthy process?
[18:34] <giovani2> W8TAH: yes
[18:35] <W8TAH> ok -- i'll come back later and start it on the other disk -- will you be around tomorrow during the workday (eastern time?)
[18:35] <giovani2> W8TAH: not for extended periods of time -- when I'm at work I'm usually pretty busy for IRC
[18:35] <giovani2> but I'll try and log in
[18:35] <yann2> anyone knows what it means in htop when it displays "nan" for the usage of a core? can't be good
[18:36] <W8TAH> ok -- not much sense in me sitting here at work watching things scroll up the screen
[18:36] <RedDragons> hello
[18:36] <giovani2> yann2: that typically stands for "not a number"
[18:36] <giovani2> yann2: could be a programming bug, or a problem with your setup
[18:36] <giovani2> does top display things properly?
[18:36] <yann2> the server is behaving extremely weirdly
[18:36] <W8TAH> but i'll let it run and come back and start the sda copy running
[18:36] <yann2> I got "cpu stuck for 10 secs" in logs
[18:36] <RedDragons> i'm trying to intall sinit but it can't find it
[18:36] <giovani2> yann2: sounds like either a defective mb/cpu/powersupply, or a bad kernel/driver
[18:37] <thewrathjr> what mail server do u guys urn?
[18:37] <giovani2> thewrathjr: postfix and dovecot
[18:37] <W8TAH> googlemail for small business
[18:37] <thewrathjr> anyon ever used or tested horde
[18:37] <giovani2> thewrathjr: yes
[18:37] <thewrathjr> and...
[18:38] <giovani2> and what?
[18:38] <W8TAH> i'll try to hook up with u tomorrow giovani2
[18:38] <thewrathjr> why didnt u like it
[18:38] <thewrathjr> asumming u didnt since u dont run it
[18:38] <giovani2> thewrathjr: it's written in PHP, it's ugly, and is just poorly designed
[18:38] <giovani2> I hate webmail in general
[18:38] <thewrathjr> you like using outlook'thunderbird?
[18:39] <giovani2> I like using real mail clients
[18:39] <giovani2> I prefer kmail
[18:39] <giovani2> I hate thunderbird
[18:39] <giovani2> but at work we support outlook/thunderbird/pine/mutt
[18:40] <wizardslovak> i like to use them too , but sometimes i want to check mail from other PC
[18:41] <wizardslovak> so its good to have webmail
[18:41] <giovani2> yeah, I wouldn't check my mail from someone else's computer
[18:42] <wizardslovak> well i dont think my friend is capable to use info in emails to harm me in any way  lol
[18:42] <giovani2> that wasn't the reason
[18:42] <giovani2> but ok
[18:43] <wizardslovak> giovani2:  if you have time can you help me with setting kmail ?
[18:43] <giovani2> wizardslovak: nope, that's completely out of the scope of #ubuntu-server
[18:43] <giovani2> kmail is desktop software
[18:43] <wizardslovak> lol ok
[18:43] <wizardslovak> so just imap-sourier setttings
[18:44] <giovani2> courier-imap
[18:44] <giovani2> yeah, and not even those -- I don't know how to configure courier-imap
[18:45] <wizardslovak> but dovecot you can?
[18:45] <giovani2> yes
[18:45] <wizardslovak> ok
[18:46] <wizardslovak> so to install it how does package called?, tried dovecot  "package dovecot is not available"
[18:47] <wizardslovak> dovecot-common?
[18:48] <giovani2> heh, what mail server are you using?
[18:48] <wizardslovak> postfix
[18:48] <giovani2> what release of ubuntu?
[18:48] <wizardslovak> 9.04
[18:49] <giovani2> dovecot-postfix is supposed to be the all-in-one package
[18:49] <giovani2> but I have no idea if it's functional
[18:49] <giovani2> never used it
[18:49] <giovani2> it's new in 9.04
[18:50] <wizardslovak> well i know i didnt install dovecot
[18:50] <wizardslovak> so i gotta get it first
[18:54] <wizardslovak> ok i got dovecto installed
[18:55] <wizardslovak> how to test it? how to configure it?
[19:10] <RedDragons> l
[19:11] <RedDragons> I'm trying to intall sinit but it can't find it
[19:12] <RedDragons> hi
[19:12] <RedDragons> I'm trying to intall sinit but it can't find it?
[19:20] <RedDragons> hello?
[19:22] <wizardslovak> how can i find in which group my user is in?
[19:30] <RedDragons> I'm useing the server ver. I'm trying to intall sinit but it can't find it.
[19:40] <wizardslovak> "telnet localhost imap2" unable to connect" what should i do ?
[19:40] <wizardslovak> why it doexnt want to connect?
[19:46] <wizardslovak> i cannot connect to myself
[19:50] <phaidros> wizardslovak: please read here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1969726 and follow the links in there, after reading that we can try to help you
[19:50] <wizardslovak> ok i got it work
[19:50] <phaidros> ok
[19:50] <wizardslovak> thank you
[19:50] <RedDragons> i'm hing troble geting xinit to run
[19:51] <wizardslovak> "telnet localhost imap2" unable to connect
[19:51] <phaidros> wizardslovak: is that a question?
[19:51] <wizardslovak> well kinda
[19:52] <phaidros> hehe, u just said: < wizardslovak> ok i got it work
[19:52] <wizardslovak> yes
[19:52] <RedDragons> it say "something" is missing
[19:52] <phaidros> please to be a litle more precise, what you are traing to approach and what the problem is ;)
[19:53] <wizardslovak> ok sorry
[19:53] <wizardslovak> well i installed dovecot and its running, when i want to test it with "telnet localhost imap2" it says that connection refused
[19:53] <RedDragons> you talking to me?
[19:54] <phaidros> RedDragons: I never used xinit, sry
[19:54] <RedDragons> ok
[19:54] <RedDragons> its just i'm new to udundu and i'm not uesd to commin lines
[19:54] <phaidros> RedDragons: at least not directly, I believe gdm is handling that usually
[19:55] <RedDragons> is there a graphical inerface?
[19:55] <phaidros> wizardslovak: did you configure dovecot? if yes, to listen on which port(s)? did you enable ssl? ssl-only? see: sudo netstat -tupan and look for the docevot process on which port is listens ..
[19:56] <RedDragons> well
[19:57] <phaidros> wizardslovak: 'grep imap /etc/services' should give you a hint what usual imap ports are. I never tried using telnet with a protocol name, so I dunno why it's not working, I assume wrong port ..
[19:57] <phaidros> RedDragons: hat did you install or have in front of you? ubuntu-server? and what do you wnat to approach? getting gui?
[19:58] <phaidros> RedDragons: there is on any any ubuntu system a gui, but for servers, just no installed. if you need gui try: aptitude install gnome
[19:59] <Baversjo> Hi! Im trying to setup simple traffic shaping on my server. The only thing I need is to reserve a bit bandwidth to Ssh (443). Anyone who could give me a hand? :)
[20:00] <Baversjo> What tool should I use and what should I add in the config file? :)
[20:02] <RedDragons> i had to install xinit and when i type startx it say /usr/bin/x11/x: not found xinit: server error
[20:09] <phaidros> RedDragons: which version of ubuntu-server are you running?
[20:09] <RedDragons> the newest
[20:09] <RedDragons> 9.4 i think
[20:24] <slide> Are there any torrent daemon clients becides transmission-daemon?
[20:26] <phaidros> slide: torrent gui client? oder tracker?
[20:26] <slide> no-gui client
[20:27] <phaidros> slide: deluge-torrent, I like it pretty much
[20:27] <phaidros> RedDragons: sry, was afk :/
[20:27] <slide> phaidros, do you use it without the gui?
[20:28] <phaidros> slide: oh, sry. I just misread .. rtorrent for cli :)
[20:28] <rockee> Im non technical person but still have some knowledge to about web designing and all. Today only I installed Ubuntu 9.04 server in my machine (2 GB RAM, Intel centrino Duo, Sony Vaio Laptop) after deleting win-vista. I was trying to learn about Linux n Ubuntu since last week.. The purpose was to create a mail server After installation I stuck up with non-GUI interface of ubuntu server 9.04, while I was having only one computer system so I installed G
[20:28] <slide> phaidros, actually daemon, something that runs constantly in the background
[20:29] <phaidros> RedDragons: I just had a quicklook in my /usr/bin/startx script, and there is no path to /usr/bin/x11/x, either you are not on 9.04, or something strange is there
[20:29] <phaidros> RedDragons: did you try do install gnome? this gnome display manager just should require all needed dependencies for a complete X
[20:30] <phaidros> slide: hm, ever tried screen?
[20:30] <phaidros> slide: I always use screen for things like irssi and rtorrent ..
[20:31] <rockee> can anybody help me also
[20:32] <phaidros> rockee: your question ended with "so I installed G"
[20:32] <phaidros> rockee: actually this was no question ;)
[20:36] <rockee> oh Iḿ sorry... Now question is ... ubuntu server 9.04 is also in my HDD ... and and this GUI also... can I work on this OS for developing mail server? or I have to work on that non-GUI OS for setting up mail server? is there any tutorial for setting uo mail server on Ubuntu 9.04? any tutorial that can be useful for beginer ? I also downloaded and installed webmin, is this useful? or required?
[20:43] <rockee> any help?
[20:45] <rockee> bekar log... koi bhartiya hai yaha?
[21:25] <phaidros> re
[21:36] <NativeAngels> hello can anyone tell me what this means http://pastebin.com/m6bc76bb2
[21:43] <sommer> NativeAngels: it means that your ssh client deosn't have the servers key... if you're sure of the IP it's usually safe to confirm
[21:45] <NativeAngels> ok
[21:45] <NativeAngels> so why do i get this http://pastebin.com/m472715d2 sommer
[21:46] <NativeAngels> any ideas sommer
[21:47] <sommer> NativeAngels: not sure never seen that before.  What realease are you running?  and is that on your client or the server?
[21:47] <NativeAngels> im using ubuntu 8.04
[21:49] <sommer> NativeAngels: are there any other errors in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/auth.log that may be from ssh?
[22:21] <NativeAngels> sommer i fixed it
[22:21] <LMJ> Hi
[22:22] <LMJ> Is there a way to find but for Hardy (LTS) http://packages.ubuntu.com/fr/intrepid/web/php-apc
[23:16] <W8TAH> giovani2: im back -- its still going -- so i'll let it run over night -- when it finishes, and ive copied the other drive as well, replace the failed drive, reformat / reinstall server and then expand the files back onto the drives?
[23:21] <thewrathjr> hi all
[23:22] <frojnd> I've just installed the packages ampache and phpmyadmin. But when I go to mydomain.net/phpmyadmin nothing happens... why is that. During the installation of phpmyadmin it asked what web sertver to configure... I've set eapache2. Why I can't access mydomain.net/phpmyadmin ?
[23:22] <W8TAH> frojnd: try going to <IP_ADDRESS> and see what you get
[23:25] <W8TAH> frojnd: ????
[23:26] <frojnd> W8TAH: erm but this is my local IP
[23:26] <W8TAH> i know this
[23:26] <W8TAH> usually if apache2 is working correctly
[23:26] <W8TAH> and you browse to that ip
[23:27] <W8TAH> you will get a screen telling you apache is working --
[23:27] <frojnd> W8TAH: I Can see the web configuration of myip.net/ampache the startup page..
[23:27] <W8TAH> ok --
[23:27] <W8TAH> thats good
[23:27] <W8TAH> that means apache is working
[23:27] <frojnd> W8TAH: ok
[23:27] <W8TAH> now try http://ipofserver/phpmyadmin
[23:28] <frojnd> W8TAH: now that when I get: Not Found
[23:28] <W8TAH> hummm - might try the phpmyadmin chan
[23:28] <W8TAH> im not real sure
[23:29] <frojnd> do I even need this package?
[23:29] <W8TAH> depends on what you are trying to do
[23:29] <frojnd> configure the ampache
[23:30] <frojnd> and as I see here on the wiki, I need root of my mysql
[23:30] <frojnd> the user name of mysql
[23:30] <W8TAH> wait
[23:30] <frojnd> than I need database user for new database
[23:30] <W8TAH> phpmydamin is for mysql
[23:30] <W8TAH> it has nothing to do with apache
[23:30] <frojnd> yep
[23:30] <frojnd> no
[23:31] <frojnd> AMPACHE
[23:31] <W8TAH> what is ampache?
[23:31] <frojnd> is a web php tool that gatgeres all the music you have on the server and you can stream it or have flash for it or even in amarok..
[23:32] <W8TAH> then i truly have NO clue --
[23:32] <frojnd> the music gathered on one place accessable via nice web gui
[23:35] <frojnd> hm
[23:35] <frojnd> maybe it didn't install correctly
[23:35] <frojnd> is there a command to reinstall
[23:35] <frojnd> or I have to remove and than install
[23:35] <frojnd> or --purge remove and than install?
[23:35] <thewrathjr> W8TAH: did you do sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin
[23:35] <frojnd> thewrathjr: yes
[23:36] <thewrathjr> and u can not view the phpmyadmin page?
[23:36] <frojnd> thewrathjr: trie
[23:36] <frojnd> true
[23:36] <W8TAH> thewrathjr: i didnt do any of the sort - -im not installing it
[23:36] <W8TAH> i was trying to help frojnd
[23:36] <frojnd> thewrathjr: this is really my problem
[23:36] <thewrathjr> ok
[23:36] <thewrathjr> i see
[23:37] <frojnd> When I try to install phpmyadmin I get this menu: > ok
[23:37] <frojnd> hpMyAdmin supports any web server that PHP does, but this automatic configuration process only supports Apache.
[23:37] <frojnd> and I can select which server to reconfigure automatically: apache2, apache, apache-ssl, apache-perl, lighttpd
[23:37] <thewrathjr> ok hold on
[23:38] <thewrathjr> apache2
[23:38] <frojnd> ok so I did this ok
[23:38] <thewrathjr> k
[23:38] <thewrathjr> im trying to catch up to you lol
[23:38] <frojnd> :)
[23:38] <thewrathjr> im on desktop atm so yea
[23:38] <frojnd> erm this is the guide: http://ampache.org/wiki/install:ubuntu
[23:39] <thewrathjr> u trying to install ampache or apache
[23:39] <frojnd> thewrathjr: ampache
[23:39] <thewrathjr> what is that
[23:39] <frojnd> thewrathjr: ampache is installed
[23:39] <thewrathjr> never heard of it
[23:39] <frojnd> I just have to configure it
[23:40] <frojnd> it's a nice web php tool that gatheres all the music on one place (server) and i can access to it and listen to it locally or via web... like in flash, playlist, or in amarok..
[23:40] <thewrathjr> ok
[23:40] <thewrathjr> let me catch up to u
[23:40] <thewrathjr> well that will be a while
[23:41] <thewrathjr> so u can not get to phpmyadmin right?
[23:41] <frojnd> right
[23:41] <frojnd> I can go to myip.net/ampache
[23:41] <frojnd> but to configure it I need to set mysql
[23:41] <frojnd> and phpmyadmin does that in a simple way
[23:42] <thewrathjr> recondigure (sudo dpkg --reconfigure phpmyadmin)
[23:42] <frojnd> and I can not go to mydoman.net/phpmyadmin
[23:42] <thewrathjr> could just use sockso
[23:42] <frojnd> it isn't the right command
[23:42] <frojnd> reconfigure
[23:43] <Rafael> Anybody can tell me what a segmentation fault is?
[23:44] <thewrathjr> foxbuntu: Just in case you haven’t installed phpMyAdmin yet, type the following line in the Terminal:
[23:44] <thewrathjr> apt-get install phpmyadmin To set up under Apache all you need to do is include the following line in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, first type the following command to open up this file:
[23:44] <thewrathjr> gksudo gedit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[23:44] <thewrathjr> Rafael: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault
[23:45] <frojnd> thewrathjr: I use vim
[23:45] <frojnd> I'm looking to what?
[23:46] <ajmitch> no editing of apache2.conf should be necessary
[23:46] <thewrathjr> frojnd: did not get all of it
[23:46] <thewrathjr> go here: http://www.blog.highub.com/linux/install-and-configure-phpmyadmin-on-ubuntu-lamp/
[23:47] <thewrathjr> ajmitch: yes i agree maybe phpmyadmin just did not install completely properly due to permission erros
[23:47] <ajmitch> the phpmyadmin package should place a file in /etc/apache2/conf.d
[23:47] <thewrathjr> key would is **should**
[23:47] <thewrathjr> be back have to go and deliver something quick
[23:47] <Rafael> thewranthjr: thanks i saw it, but what should i do if i got that after: sudo mdadm --assemble /dev/md0
[23:48] <ajmitch> frojnd: check if that file is there, and check if you have any virtual host definitions that wouldn't be using that phpmyadmin alias
[23:48] <frojnd> ajmitch: which file?
[23:48] <ajmitch>  /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf
[23:48] <thewrathjr> Rafael: that i am not sure
[23:49] <ajmitch> and are you using a virtualhost?
[23:49] <thewrathjr> ajmitch: might know do you ? never gotten one before
[23:49] <frojnd> ajmitch: no
[23:49] <thewrathjr> virutalhost is what it uses by default right ajmitch?
[23:50] <frojnd> ajmitch: what am I looking at?
[23:50] <frojnd> ajmitch: I mean what option is the one that is keeping apache2 from showing phpmyadmin=
[23:50] <ajmitch> frojnd: have you reloaded apache2?
[23:51] <ajmitch> by that, I mean sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
[23:51] <frojnd> ajmitch: no I didn't
[23:51] <ajmitch> try it, the phpmyadmin package may not have triggered a reload of the configuration after it was installed
[23:51] <frojnd> ajmitch: I did now and there is no difference
[23:52] <ajmitch> what url are you trying?
[23:52] <frojnd> I think it did reload at the end of phpmyadimin installation
[23:52] <frojnd> frojnd.no-ip.org/phpmyadmin
[23:52] <frojnd> go hack me
[23:52] <frojnd> :)
[23:53] <ajmitch> that is doing some funny things with port redirects & all
[23:53] <frojnd> ajmitch: yep
[23:53] <ajmitch> since it ends up on port 1080
[23:53] <frojnd> it is the correct port :)
[23:53] <ajmitch> where is that configured from?
[23:53] <frojnd> isp blocks everything below 1000
[23:53] <ajmitch> how irritating
[23:53] <frojnd> ajmitch: slovenia
[23:53] <frojnd> ajmitch: mhm
[23:54] <ajmitch> I meant which package is it configured from
[23:54] <ajmitch> sigh
[23:54] <ajmitch> sorry, I just got called upstairs at work
[23:54] <frojnd> so you must go now
[23:54] <ajmitch> I have to go for a bit, sorry I can't help more
[23:54] <frojnd> no biggy
[23:54] <frojnd> I'm going to sleep anyway
[23:54] <frojnd> thanx for you trying to helo me
[23:54] <frojnd> help
[23:55] <frojnd> night
[23:57] <FFForever> i have a vps with 256mb of ram how do i upgrade to 9.04?
[23:57] <FFForever> do-release-upgrade gives me OSError: [Errno 12] Cannot allocate memory


 think pyqt5 is finally good!
 Yes! http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/pymca/focal/arm64
 and migrated. nice. :)