[12:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: Jucato this would be political from the ubuntuforums side, wouldnt it?
[12:24] <Jucato> it would
[12:25] <nixternal> someone just cooked something nasty in this cafeteria
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i keep forgetting how touchy ryan is :(
[12:27] <yuriy> Tonio_: i added the bug which has the problems without the media patches to the agenda.  the new bugs created by them are a being bit harder to find though
[12:30] <Tonio_> yuriy: I have the complete list here too
[12:30] <yuriy> oh alright
[12:32] <yuriy> oops forgot to add sig when i did that
[12:33] <Lure> Sime: if around - we are discussing media patches in #ubuntu-meeting
[12:43] <gnomefreak> and i only have kde 3.5.5 in suse 10.2 :(
[12:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: which?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> the kickoff menu i have a build but i didnt build it :(
[12:44] <Jucato> kickoff...
[12:44] <gnomefreak> i may hack it though to see what can be done to make it look a bit nicer and have a feature i want
[12:44] <Jucato> wasn't Tonio interested in that as well?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> Jucato: its a sweet menu
[12:44] <Jucato> sweet is subjective :P
[12:44] <gnomefreak> Jucato: i will have it posted in a day or so
[12:44] <gnomefreak> for edgy and feisty
[12:45] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ahh
[12:45] <Jucato> gnomefreak: does your build include the mini cli when kickoff is in K Menu style?
[12:45] <gnomefreak> cli?
[12:45] <Jucato> er.. the search box
[12:45] <gnomefreak> Jucato: it has a search function but it doesnt have a cli that i remember
[12:45] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:45] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:45] <Jucato> oh kool
[12:46] <Jucato> that search box is missing from the kubuntu kickoff build that's on kde-apps
[12:46] <gnomefreak> opensuse's build allows you to reboot to <whateverisingrub>
[12:46] <Jucato> um... KDE already allows that
[12:46] <gnomefreak> Jucato: the one from there is no longer there
[12:46] <Jucato> Login Manager -> Shoutdown
[12:46] <gnomefreak> Jucato: no it doesnt
[12:47] <gnomefreak> than you have to choose OS from grub
[12:47] <Jucato> select GRUB from the list
[12:47] <gnomefreak> this allows you to skip grub
[12:47] <Jucato> ah
[12:47] <Lure> gnomefreak: it does - just need to enable the option in Login manager
[12:48] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:48] <gnomefreak> never saw that :) wonder if it will add it to kickoff. brb gonna go to kde and see if i cant hack it a bit
[12:53] <Jucato> wb gnomefreak
[12:53] <gnomefreak> ty
[12:56] <gnomefreak> kde control center has really lost alot it seems there is only 2 things listed there now
[12:56] <Jucato> feisty, right?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> yeah 3.5.6
[12:56] <Jucato> :P
[01:04] <Hobbsee> !schedule
[01:04] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[01:04] <Jucato> Feb 15, Feature Freeze... :(
[01:04] <Jucato> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members <-- I join this, right?
[01:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ^^
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah
[01:08] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I heard that you were working kmail encryption stuff.  I'm interested in getting S/MIIME by default in Feisty.
[01:08] <manchicken> I already joined that.  Do I wait for someone to improve it?
[01:09] <Jucato> yep
[01:09] <Jucato> manchicken: ^
[01:09] <Hobbsee> ScottK: same here.  oh drat, i had changes that i never got uploaded.
[01:10] <manchicken> I did join kubuntu-members
[01:10] <Hobbsee> manchicken: hrm?  s/improve/approve
[01:10] <manchicken> Yeah
[01:10] <Hobbsee> ScottK: okay, will poke you after the meeting about it :)
[01:10] <manchicken> My mistake.
[01:10] <Hobbsee> manchicken: :)
[01:10] <Jucato> lol
[01:10] <ScottK> OK.  I'll be AFK for the next few hours.
[01:14] <ScottK> Make that about an hour and then I'll be back.
[01:15] <manchicken> Hobbsee: So was that a "yes" that someone has to approve me?
[01:16] <Jucato> manchicken: Riddel has to approve us
[01:16] <Hobbsee> manchicken: correct
[01:16] <manchicken> Ahhhh.  Okay
[01:18] <Jucato> @schedule
[01:18] <Jucato> bah nvm lol
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you want to talk now or later?
[01:49] <Jucato> Tonio_: the arrow for the system tray is too big, imho
[01:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: oh, the mailing list
[01:49] <Jucato> g'night allee
[01:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well your post was only blocked because it had too many To:'s on it
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, i realise that.
[01:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: so it's easy to avoid in future
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is there anyone else who gets moderated, etc?
[01:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if you're an admin you'll get lots of spam notices
[01:50] <Riddell> that's the only thing that's moderated
[01:51] <Riddell> since non-spam non-subscribers just get rejected
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh right.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> so that's how you're doing it
[01:51] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:51] <Riddell> so you get lots of spam moderation requests and no useful ones (except yours which was the first in about 6 months)
[01:51] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes it is too big, but that can be changed I assume
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: other question was on the LP kubuntu-members team - there are a few who clearly need declining
[01:51] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:51] <Hobbsee> and the two that still need acking, unless youv'e done them
[01:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to get the networkstatus patches in for friday, that would be nice
[01:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: since you e-mailed everyone I think I'll decline them all now with a polite message
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay
[01:52] <Jucato> Tonio_: hopefully, but if it's anything like the panel-hiding buttons on kicker itself... then might not be possible :(
[01:53] <Tonio_> Jucato: indeed
[01:53] <Riddell> ash211: you applied for kubuntu-members?
[01:53] <ash211> oh yes, I did
[01:53] <Hobbsee> yeah, he couldnt make it, i dont think
[01:53] <ash211> just got back from a piano lesson
[01:53] <ash211> is it too late?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:54] <ash211> there's always next time
[01:55] <Hobbsee> indeed :)
[01:55] <Jucato> wow piano lessons...
[01:56] <ash211> been taking for 9 years
[01:56] <Jucato> kool
[01:56] <Jucato> kooler :)
[01:56] <ash211> I like the flute
[01:57] <Jucato> yay!! I'm approved. thanks! thank you Riddell
[01:57] <ash211> wow, I'd never heard of a cornet before
[01:57] <ash211> good thing wikipedia knows what it is!
[01:57] <manchicken> Sweet.
[02:00] <Jucato> manchicken: are you printing out calling cards? heheh :)
[02:00] <manchicken> heh
[02:00] <manchicken> As soon as I get that super-cool @kubuntu.org email.
[02:00] <Riddell> ajmitch: which doesn't mean we don't want you!
[02:00] <manchicken> heh
[02:00] <Riddell> manchicken: should happen automatically over the next 24 hours
[02:00] <Riddell> (I think)
[02:00] <Jucato> ooh yeah.. forgot about that :)
[02:01] <n8k99_> yuriy where are you located?
[02:01] <yuriy> n8k99_: boston area
[02:01] <Jucato> Riddell: will it be something like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:01] <manchicken> Groovy.
[02:01] <Riddell> Jucato: yes
[02:01] <Jucato> nice :)
[02:01] <Riddell> wow, lots of people wanting in kubuntu-team
[02:01] <Jucato><EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[02:01] <manchicken> w00t
[02:01] <n8k99_> yuriy did you see my flyer for Ubucon? or the wiki page for it?
[02:02] <manchicken> Now to get back to business...
[02:02] <Jucato> kubuntu-team is for the developers, right?
[02:02] <manchicken> Ack, I've got a church meeting shortly, too.
[02:02] <yuriy> n8k99_: i just saw the flyer
[02:02] <Jucato> manchicken: heh luckily my church job only happens mostly on weekends :)
[02:02] <yuriy> n8k99_: i'm wondering whether to go. though it's on a weekday, but the day before break
[02:02] <manchicken> heh
[02:03] <n8k99_> yuriy it looks like tons of fun, i live in Brooklyn but a friend of mine is getting married in Virginia that day!!
[02:03] <manchicken> Jucato: Lucky you ^_^
[02:04] <yuriy> i'm going to post about it in the nu loco team forum
[02:04] <n8k99_> ah! brilliant
[02:05] <yuriy> n8k99_: are you in it btw?
[02:06] <n8k99_> yuriy in what?
[02:06] <yuriy> n8k99_: nu (northeastern us) ubuntu team
[02:09] <n8k99_> i think i tried to join that-
[02:09] <n8k99_> maybe not
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: kubuntu-team is all the kubuntu people - just is a bug contact (that ML)
[02:12] <Jucato> aaaah
[02:16] <gnomefreak> i uploaded the kickoff menu :)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: to where?
[02:17] <gnomefreak> ah hold on
[02:18] <Jucato> anyone know if you can switch to fullscreen in Xephyr?
[02:18] <Riddell> gnomefreak: ?!
[02:19] <gnomefreak> the kickoff menu for kde i have one (unofficially built) a few people wanted to try it
[02:20] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/
[02:20] <n8k99_> yuriy are you GAmeMank?
[02:21] <yuriy> n8k99_: yeah
[02:21] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ahhh
[02:23] <n8k99_> yuriy is there a northeeast loco wiki page? or something?/
[02:24] <yuriy> n8k99_: there's a wiki page but i think it's incomplete. and there's a webpage. it's all in one of the sticky threads in the forum, i g2g
[02:24] <yuriy> hw :(
[02:32] <n8k99_> yuriy: looks like i already joined that launchpad team, haha
[03:02] <bddebian> Heya
[03:03] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:03] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:08] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I'm basically back at the keyboard if you want to discuss Kmail and S/MIME...
[03:08] <Hobbsee> ScottK: woot.  let me grab lunch...
[03:09] <Hobbsee> once it heats
[03:11] <Jucato> lunch....
[03:12] <Hobbsee> right
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ScottK: basically, i want to know: 1) does it work in current format?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> 2) does it work in current format + gpgsm
[03:14] <Hobbsee> where work means work with encrypted mails, signed mails, all out of the box
[03:14] <ScottK> So far I know you need to add at least gpgsm and gpg-agent with their dependencies.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> gpg-agent as well?
[03:15] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:15] <ScottK> Kmail whines steadily if it's not there.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> what happens if you have pinetry-qt in there instead?
[03:15] <ScottK> I'm not sure yet that Kleopatra is needed.
[03:15] <ScottK> Dunno.  Didn't try that.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> do you want to try to?  (without gpg-agent being installed)
[03:16] <ScottK> The complaint was about no agent, but I can try that.
[03:17] <claydoh> Hobbsee: did someone propose me for membership, or did I apply many many moons ago?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> well, yeah.  but i want a complete config working with what's in main, then seeing what of universe need to be added
[03:17] <ScottK> I had Kmail + S/MIME working with opensuse 10.1 and KDE 3.5.1.  I've got verification working on Dapper, but have never been able to get signing working.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> claydoh: you were on the proposed kubuntu-members list.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> on launchpad
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ScottK: right.
[03:18] <claydoh> I just wonder how i got there
[03:18] <Hobbsee> claydoh: you applied ages ago maybe?  not sure
[03:18] <claydoh> maybe, I could have but that was long long ago
[03:19] <Hobbsee> quite likely
[03:19] <claydoh> I don't think i qualify anyway, really
[03:19] <ScottK> I think what I need to do is purge the configs I copied over from opensuse and start from scratch.
[03:19] <claydoh> yet that is
[03:20] <Hobbsee> okay
[03:20] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:20] <Hobbsee> that would greatly help
[03:20] <ScottK> S/MIME should work fine with imap???
[03:21] <Hobbsee> kmail has a serious bug about selecting imap messages - mail tends to crash every min or so that you're selecting things, or deleting them, etc
[03:21] <ScottK> ok.
[03:21] <Hobbsee> makes it rather unusable
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:21] <Hobbsee> thunderbird is better
[03:21] <ScottK> Yep.  Better for S/MIME too.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> i dont know...i had to fight with thunderbird to get it to encrypt my mail...
[03:22] <Jucato> claydoh: well, we'll make sure you will qualify in a few months' time :
[03:22] <Jucato> :)
[03:22] <claydoh> heh
[03:23] <claydoh> I love it when someone has secret plas for me I like surprises
[03:23] <ScottK> OK, so you fought T-bird and got it to work....  If you never got Kmail to work, that's better...
[03:23] <Jucato> claydoh: I have plans for KFN... unfortunately, hindered on both sides of the fence :(
[03:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:23] <bddebian> claydoh: You might want to watch out for Hobbsee's secret plans.  THey usually involved weapons of some sort :-)
[03:23] <claydoh> I understand a little
[03:24] <Jucato> :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:24] <crimsun> /quit crazy weapons
[03:24] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh, you wish
[03:24] <ajmitch> crimsun: time to run away?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you wish
[03:25] <Jucato> Hobbsee: wishing is free, isn't it? :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> true
[03:27] <n8k99_> Jucato that is nothing compared to the stick Hobbsee carries
[03:28] <Jucato> heh :)
[03:28] <Jucato> of course. her's has been sharpened and refined almost to a perfection
[03:28] <Jucato> well.. almost :)
[03:29] <bddebian> heh
[03:34] <Hobbsee> n8k99_: smart move :) :P
[03:36] <Hobbsee> you dont look dumb at all :)
[03:36] <Jucato> all*
[03:37] <Jucato> Hobbsee actually (ironically) looks nice and sweet :P
[03:37] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:37] <n8k99_> just a silly saying that is handed down from my father
[03:38] <Jucato> yay! Kubuntu (edgy) installed... hm.. now what...
[03:38] <n8k99_> Jucato: upgrade to feisty ;-)
[03:38] <Jucato> not on this machine :P
[03:39] <Jucato> oh man I love this... my KAFS and Kubuntu side by side... so far so good :)
[03:39] <ScottK> Hobbsee: It occurs to me that if you want a pop mailbox to test with, I can give you one.
[03:40] <ajmitch> Jucato: you've had the honour of meeting Hobbsee ?
[03:40] <Jucato> ajmitch: no not yet, just a pic I stole from her :)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i'll be OK.
[03:40] <ScottK> OK
[03:40] <Hobbsee> bye all!
[03:40] <Jucato> bye Hobbsee!
[03:49] <gnomefreak> anyone on feisty 3.5.6 aptdept showing upgrades?
[03:49] <gnomefreak> it says new version of kubuntu
[03:50] <gnomefreak> and than click upgrade and it goes away (ill end up checking /var/crash but i dont think its crashing
[03:50] <ScottK> There's a bug on that.
[03:51] <Jucato> it's a bug in Adept afaik (mentioned in the Herd 2 page)
[03:51] <ScottK> Bug 82034
[03:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82034 in adept "Adept proposes upgrade of Kubuntu and then exits (dup-of: 80618)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82034
[03:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80618 in adept "adept-installer crashes when clicking next on 'there seems to be an update' dialog" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80618
[03:51] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:51] <gnomefreak> ty
[03:55] <ScottK> Is Akgregator starting on system start automatically a bug or a feature?
[03:56] <Jucato> depends if it was left open before logging out?
[03:56] <ScottK> I've never run it before on this machine.
[03:56] <gnomefreak> i did some apport updates and the adept-notifier went away so there were updates just it was listed wrong i guess
[03:56] <Jucato> hm. if it's on feisty, I have no clue...
[03:56] <gnomefreak> ScottK: it doesnt start here on its own
[03:57] <ScottK> hmmm
[03:57] <ScottK> It didn't for me until today.
[03:57] <ScottK> There was a new kde pim today.
[03:57] <gnomefreak> that would do it but i dont remember seeing that upddate
[03:58] <gnomefreak> ha i dont have kdepim installed
[03:58] <ScottK> That'll do it.
[03:58] <gnomefreak> so it would have to be with that
[04:17] <ryanakca> hmm... meeting still going?
[04:17] <ScottK> Bug #82594
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82594 in kdepim "Akregrator starts automatically in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82594
[05:51] <nixternal> oi!
[05:53] <ajmitch> hello nixternal
[05:54] <nixternal> hiya ajmitch
[06:45] <nixternal> how come restricted-modules are installed by default now? have they always been and I just never caught it?
[06:47] <ScottK> I think they always were, but am not sure.
[06:48] <nixternal> hrmm, I am not a fan of that
[06:51] <ScottK> There's been a lot of press about it.
[06:52] <ScottK> I can see both sides of the issue.
[06:54] <nixternal> Well, I think it should be left out by default. If you are going to use NVidia or ATI drivers, then install it. But I don't believe it is needed for things like NDISWrapper or bcm43xx-fwcutter iirc.
[06:57] <ScottK> There's a balance between just working and being 'Free'.
[06:58] <ScottK> WIreless is pure pain lots of the time and even though it's because of proprietary drivers, that's not who gets blamed.
[06:58] <ScottK> It would be interesting to see if Ubuntu has enough market share now to push anyone into opening up their drivers...
[06:59] <seaLne> why would they bother if ubuntu uses the non free stuff
[07:00] <ScottK> Dunno.  Just ran across this on the topic http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070131081243482
[07:01] <ScottK> Probably because users bitch the non-free stuff doesn't work very well (witness no Acrobat in Feisty).
[07:01] <seaLne> i worry that using by default nonfree stuff will actually put back progres
[07:01] <nixternal> seaLne: +1
[07:01] <ScottK> I understand and I don't know that you're wrong, but there's always been some non-free stuff installed by default.
[07:02] <nixternal> I don't see why restricted needs to be installed. As a matter of fact, I use NDISWrapper and I do not have the restricted modules installed
[07:02] <nixternal> what non-free stuff has been installed by default?
[07:02] <nixternal> maybe I am missing something
[07:03] <ScottK> IIRC the policy has been to install it if it was needed to make the system work.
[07:04] <nixternal> ScottK: I think adding it as a dependency to say ATI (fglrx) and the NVidia (nvidia) drivers and what not is fine, but if there is nothing non-free being installed, then it isn't needed
[07:04] <ScottK> That makes sense.
[07:05] <nixternal> nvidia-glx does depend on the restricted-modules already it seems
[07:05] <seaLne> i'd say the opposite that not having free graphics is bad, its one of the most basic pieces of hardware
[07:05] <ScottK> There's always this: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061102083226821
[07:06] <ScottK> seaLne: The question is though, what do you tell a user with PC with a graphics card with no free driver?
[07:06] <nixternal> ScottK: and now that they have a KDE release, I am using it :)
[07:06] <nixternal> on my other system, I could never get rid of Kubuntu
[07:06] <seaLne> nixternal: ah didn't know that
[07:06] <nixternal> ya seaLne, it is pretty solid
[07:06] <ScottK> Hmmm
[07:06] <seaLne> how do they differ?
[07:07] <nixternal> gNewSense and Kubuntu?
[07:07] <nixternal> or the gNewSense KDE and the Kubuntu KDE?
[07:07] <seaLne> yeah apart from the obvious nonfree stuff
[07:07] <nixternal> artwork really
[07:07] <nixternal> otherwise it is pretty much the same. I haven't spent much time digging into it just yet
[07:09] <nixternal> so far my 2 favorite distros with a KDE implementation have to be Kubuntu and Slackware
[07:09] <nixternal> I used to like SuSE, but they have modeled their KDE to mimic Windows to much
[07:10] <nixternal> granted the Slackware KDE is vanilla
[07:11] <nixternal> anybody have anything that needs to be added to the Herd 3 release notes btw?
[07:11] <ScottK> Is the dbud/power manager memory leak mentioned?
[07:11] <ScottK> dbud/dbus
[07:11] <ScottK> Bug 82313
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82313 in dbus-python "Guidance-power manager memory growth in Feisty" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82313
[07:11] <nixternal> granted, I think for a switcher, OpenSUSE 10.2 is possibly a tad bit easier than Kubuntu int he respect of it looking similar or having some similar functionality to that of Windows
[07:12] <ScottK> I think that's work a mention.
[07:12] <nixternal> now when it comes down to package management with OpenSUSE and a new user, OUCH!
[07:12] <ScottK> work/worth
[07:12] <nixternal> Well, if it is fixed :)
[07:12] <nixternal> That will go in the "We know it's broke" section in the feedback area
[07:13] <ScottK> No it's not.  I was thinking about mentioning it in the open issues.
[07:13] <ScottK> Yeah.  That section.
[07:13] <nixternal> hehe, I think someone may have posted already
[07:13] <ScottK> OK.
[07:13] <nixternal> actually, no they haven't
[07:13] <ScottK> That's the one new problem that's really kicked my behind lately.
[07:13] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd3/Kubuntu/Feedback
[07:13] <nixternal> if you want to hook it up :)
[07:14] <nixternal> brb, gotta doctor up some screenshots of KDevelop for the release notes
[07:19] <ScottK> I'll put it in there...
[07:27] <ScottK> So that got me started on my wiki page so there'd be something to link to...
[07:34] <Jucato> manchicken: have you asked for a cloak already?
[07:35] <Jiraiya> Salut
[07:35] <Jiraiya> Il sert a quoi ce salon ?
[07:55] <Jiraiya> Yo chavo
[07:55] <Jucato> hi chavo
[07:55] <chavo> hi
[07:56] <ScottK> nixternal: I imagine you saw my input for the Herd 3 release notes.
[07:56] <MrWGW-> Jucato, if I might dare to ask you an off topic question, how do you do that in this IRC channel?
[07:56] <Jiraiya> ca parle anglais ici :/
[07:56] <MrWGW-> where you make it say that you are doing "X"
[07:56] <Jucato> MrWGW-: /me <message>
[07:56] <MrWGW-> thanks a lot
[07:56] <Jucato> !fr
[07:56] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:56] <MrWGW-> was that correct?
[07:56] <Jiraiya> ou je sais :)
[07:57] <Jiraiya> @plus
[07:57] <Jucato> MrWGW-: without the < > :)
[07:57] <MrWGW-> ahh
[07:57] <MrWGW-> haha
[07:57] <Jiraiya> Bye
[07:57] <Jucato> bye
[07:57] <ScottK> And you have to remember to write in the third person.
[07:57] <Jucato> see? it looks strange :)
[07:58] <MrWGW-> ROFL
[07:58] <MrWGW-> or perhaps
[07:59] <MrWGW-> for extreme pretense, one could theoretically chat like that exclusively
[09:44] <MrWGW-> hahahahaha
[09:44] <MrWGW-> I have become the most pretentious chatter on Freenode!
[09:44] <MrWGW-> muahaha
[10:29] <Tonio_> hi
[10:29] <Jucato> hi Tonio_
[12:20] <jeroenvrp> Herd CD 3
[12:20] <jeroenvrp> today?
[12:21] <jeroenvrp> Does that mean I can start bughunting while using Feisty for my daily work?!
[01:24] <hunger> I have not seen updates in a while... Is there some freeze in effect or is my mirror lagging behind developments?
[01:25] <Riddell> herd 3 freeze
[01:25] <hunger> How booooring;-)
[01:25] <Riddell> and if people want to start testing alternate CDs that would be very welcome
[01:27] <ScottK> Hobbsee: No luck so far with Kmail and S/MIME.  Signing fails with an incredibly helpful error message - "General error".  I haven't had much time to research it yet, but I haven't given up.
[01:27] <Hobbsee> ScottK: fun.
[01:27] <Hobbsee> ScottK: which deps was that with?
[01:28] <ScottK> I needed gpgsm and gnupg-agent to get that far.
[01:28] <ScottK> I tried pinetry-qt and no agent, but Kmail cried.
[01:28] <praetor> ScottK: Have you compiled kmail from kde svn by chance?
[01:28] <ScottK> No
[01:29] <ScottK> Using the standard Kubuntu Kmail for Feisty.
[01:29] <praetor> Ah ok. I am getting a cmake error about the CMakeLists file strangely
[01:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm starting the networkstatus thing :)
[01:29] <Tonio_> looks likea bit complicated hehe :)
[01:29] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ahh
[01:30] <Hobbsee> ScottK: right, so gnupg-agent appears to be a must.
[01:30] <ScottK> With gpgsm and gnupg-agent installed it at least THINKs it can do it and the error is out of one of the crypto bit.
[01:30] <ScottK> Yes.
[01:30] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:30] <Hobbsee> what happens with pinetry in there?
[01:30] <Hobbsee> as well as gpgsm and gnupg-agent
[01:30] <Hobbsee> (gpgsm is fine, i just forgot to add it as a build dep last time)
[01:30] <Hobbsee> that's in main already, so that's easy to add
[01:31] <ScottK> Same as without.  Kmail complains about no agent as soon as you start to edit the Identity.
[01:31] <Hobbsee> is that pinetry + gpgsm, or pinetry + gnupg-agent + gpgsm?
[01:31] <ScottK> I'm pretty sure that Kleopatra will not be necessary.
[01:31] <Hobbsee> excellent :)
[01:32] <ScottK> I installed gpgsm + gnupg-agent and that drags, among other things, pinentry-qt with it.
[01:33] <Hobbsee> oh?  how?
[01:33] <ScottK> Based on the logging, I suspect that the format my private key is in is not good for Kubuntu.  I need to investigate.
[01:33] <Hobbsee> oh, recommends by default, yes
[01:34] <Hobbsee> it should be fine, if ti's a gpg key.  hrm, interesting.  that's 2 MIR's then.  although i thoguth gpg-agent was in main for a while
[01:34] <Hobbsee> ScottK: oh neat.  gpg-agent source is in main, but binaries are in universe.  some at least
[01:35] <ScottK> I think suspect it's the folder name or I need to do something with a config file.
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you know if networkstatus includes kopete's patches ?
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I seem to remember it allows kopete to connect dependingthe networkstatus
[01:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: I believe the patches include one for kopete
[01:35] <ScottK> Working through this I did manage to verify one bug is not fixed... Bug 42086
[01:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42086 in gnupg2 "gpg-agent has wrong dependency to pinentry-ncurses" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42086
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I already extracted the patches for kdepim
[01:36] <ScottK> Err, that's bug is fixed.
[01:39] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I am not sure about dirmnger yet.  It also may be required.
[01:40] <ScottK> Or dirmngr even.
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ScottK: woo.  this has pretty much stopped making sense to me, especially after reading that bug report
[01:41] <ScottK> No problem.  Bottom line is I'm still working on it.
[01:41] <Riddell> ScottK: danimo would be a good person to ask for help when he turns up next
[01:42] <Hobbsee> ScottK: cool :)
[01:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[01:42] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yeah, saw that.
[01:44] <Hobbsee> done
[01:44] <Hobbsee> ScottK:  ^
[01:44] <Hobbsee> gah.  should have waited till he actually joined
[01:44] <Hobbsee> there
[01:44] <Hobbsee> ScottK:  ^
[01:44] <danimo> hi
[01:44] <Hobbsee> heya
[01:44] <ScottK> hI
[01:45] <ScottK> Riddell: suggested you (danimo) would be a good person to ask about getting S/MIME signing configured in Kmail...
[01:45] <danimo> yeah
[01:46] <danimo> what's the problem?
[01:46] <ScottK> After getting all the necessary bits installed and my keys set up for the relevant identity, when I sign a message it attempts to sign and then...
[01:46] <ScottK> Fails with a very helpful 'general error'
[01:50] <ScottK> The suspicous point in the logs is at one port gpg-agent logs ERR6710881 No secret key <GPG Agent>
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm unable to find any kded related patch....
[01:51] <Tonio_> all I can find in the src.rpm files is the kdepim related diffs
[01:51] <ScottK> That's the problem.
[01:51] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[01:53] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i dont have that IBM info anymore
[01:53] <imbrandon> i couldent find it
[01:54] <imbrandon> danimo, !!! long time man
[01:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay thanks I'll re-register then :)
[01:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon: maybe there is a "remind password" thing, in that case you might receive a password by mail soon :)
[01:55] <imbrandon> k
[01:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:55] <danimo> heya imbrandon
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/opensuse/OSS-factory/x86_64/kdepim3-networkstatus-3.5.5-52.x86_64.html
[01:55] <imbrandon> danimo, no worries, me too actualy
[01:55] <Tonio_> hehe it looks like the 2 patches contain everything :)
[01:56] <danimo> imbrandon: what course?
[01:56] <imbrandon> the busy part ( i'm at work )
[01:56] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:56] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yea i've been playing with some suse sources lately, very nice in some respects
[01:56] <Hobbsee> danimo: ahh, sorry :(
[01:57] <imbrandon> i have 10.2 in a vm
[01:57] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yup, we try to implement the networkstatus thing
[01:57] <danimo> imbrandon: ah, ok
[01:57] <danimo> imbrandon: I've uml f*ck to learn
[01:57] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:57] <danimo> Riddell: (hence the sudden interest in umbrello btw)
[01:57] <imbrandon> brb
[01:58] <danimo> ScottK: sounds tricky
[01:59] <ScottK> Yeah.
[02:00] <ScottK> The keys are in a format/directory that I had working with opensuse 10.1 and KDE 3.5.1.  I am suspecting something is different here.
[02:04] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks for soundkonverter upload
[02:04] <Tonio_> Lure: you're welcome
[02:04] <Tonio_> Lure: what do you know about those networkstatus patches
[02:04] <Tonio_> Lure: all I can find is just 2 little patches for kdepim
[02:04] <Tonio_> Lure: I thought everything was linked to knetworkmanager, including etc....
[02:04] <Tonio_> Lure: but there is nothing about that in the src rpms
[02:05] <Tonio_> including "kopete" sorry
[02:05] <imbrandon> sdfsdf
[02:06] <imbrandon> whoops
[02:06] <Lure> Tonio_: in kdepim, you have networkstatus dir which is kded module, then there are patches for kmail and I think kopete to ask networkstatus module for online/offline
[02:07] <Lure> Tonio_: afair networkstatus takes care of network detection - network-manager is just one source of info about networks
[02:08] <Lure> Tonio_: first, include networkstatus to be build, then when this works, we can integrate per app patches to support it
[02:08] <Lure> Tonio_: and we can work on patches for other apps that might interest us (konversation)
[02:08] <imbrandon> nevar
[02:08] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:08] <Tonio_> Lure: the point is that I don't see any patches :)
[02:08] <Tonio_> find ./ | grep networkstatus
[02:08] <Tonio_> ./SOURCES/kmail-networkstatus-support.diff
[02:08] <Tonio_> ./SOURCES/slox-networkstatus-usage.diff
[02:08] <Tonio_> Lure: that's all I have in the all kdebase, kdenetwork, kdelibs and kdepim sources
[02:09] <imbrandon> gnight Hobbsee
[02:09] <ScottK> Goodnight.
[02:09] <Lure> Tonio_: I do not think it is a patch - it is a directory added into kdepim package
[02:09] <Hobbsee> night!
[02:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you missed the meeting earlier, btw
[02:09] <Lure> Hobbsee: good nite!
[02:09] <Tonio_> Lure: argh........
[02:09] <Tonio_> changed tarball ?
[02:09] <imbrandon> Tonio_, it should be dir
[02:09] <Tonio_> dude that's crappy......
[02:09] <imbrandon> yea io was sleeping hobbsee
[02:09] <Lure> Tonio_: afair - I did not look into this for couple of months though
[02:09] <imbrandon> couldent make it
[02:10] <Lure> Tonio_: I know, that is why we should do better
[02:10] <Tonio_> Lure: networkstatus dir is already upstream ;)
[02:10] <Tonio_> I get it in the ubuntu package
[02:10] <imbrandon> but is it building/installing
[02:10] <imbrandon> ?
[02:10] <Jucato> g'night Hobbsee!
[02:10] <Lure> Tonio_: interesting... then we just need to build it and make it work...
[02:11] <Tonio_> imbrandon: need to check the makefiles :)
[02:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:11] <Jucato> hi imbrandon, Tonio_, Lure :)
[02:11] <Tonio_> Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_09_kmail-networkstatus-support.diff at level 0...success.
[02:11] <Tonio_> Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_10_slox-networkstatus-usage.diff at level 0...1...2...failure.
[02:11] <Lure> Tonio_: maybe there is ./configure option?
[02:11] <imbrandon> ello Jucato
[02:11] <Tonio_> good poitn for the first patch
[02:11] <Tonio_> dunno what provides the second
[02:13] <Tonio_> Lure: we compile networkstatus
[02:13] <Lure> Tonio_: interesting - is it included in package
[02:13] <Tonio_> looks like we just miss the files
[02:13] <Tonio_> .install file to patch
[02:23] <Tonio_> Lure, imbrandon: suro apt-get install networkstatus
[02:23] <Tonio_> we already ship with everything
[02:23] <Tonio_> just not installed by default.....
[02:24] <Tonio_> Lure: maybe we just have to change the seeds ;) hehe
[02:24] <Tonio_> testing the result ;)
[02:29] <Tonio__> Riddell: looks like the networkstatus package already exists, we just have to change the seeds
[02:29] <Tonio__> ;)
[02:29] <Tonio__> concerning the patches for the apps to use it, I'll have to investigate
[02:32] <Tonio__> Riddell: looks like none of our apps use the service btw
[02:32] <Tonio__> no change while starting kmail or kopete with unpluged network
[02:38] <Lure> Tonio__: interesting - you need to start it in Service Manager
[02:38] <Lure> Tonio__: but patches are probably not there
[02:38] <Riddell> does it talk to network-manager?
[02:40] <Tonio__> Riddell: I don't know
[02:40] <Tonio__> Riddell: the service is installed and started here
[02:40] <Tonio__> but I don't see any change using kopete or kmail
[02:40] <Tonio__> Riddell: there is a binary to use with dcop to make tests  : networkstatustestservice
[02:40] <Tonio__> I have to test ;)
[02:41] <Tonio__> Lure: kopete code includes networkstatus related things
[02:41] <Tonio__> Lure: I think all the patches are merged in fact
[02:41] <Tonio__> Lure: I need to figure out how to activate this
[02:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tried several things but nothing comes up
[02:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe knetworkmanager needs to be patched to use networkstatus....
[02:47] <Tonio_> Lure: looks like complicated stuff hehe :)
[02:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: haha ;)
[02:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: Added kubuntu_05_no_network_status.patch to avoid using networkstatus.
[02:49] <Tonio_> I have to remove this and test ;)
[02:50] <danimo> Tonio_: hi. does knetworkmanager support ad-hoc networks in feisty?
[02:50] <Riddell> can't say I have any memory of that
[02:50] <Tonio_> damn already removed.... sh*t
[02:50] <Tonio_> danimo: no idea
[02:50] <danimo> Tonio_: can you check? I was quite a bit shocked when I saw that nm-applet has it in edgy, but knm doesn't
[02:51] <Tonio_> ./knetworkmanager/pics/Makefile.in:     -rm -f $(DESTDIR)$(knmicondir)/crystalsv                                                                                g/22x22/actions/nm_adhoc.png
[02:51] <Tonio_> danimo: according to the sources, should be working
[02:51] <Tonio_> ./knetworkmanager/src/knetworkmanager-tray.h:     bool    _adhoc;
[02:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: networkstatus has been removed by upstream and is now a suse patch, that I have to find
[02:55] <Tonio_> but I can't find the src package on their ftp
[03:11] <danimo> Tonio_: can you check wether it has been added recently?
[03:12] <Tonio_> danimo: I'll have a look
[03:15] <Tonio_> danimo: tarball is the same than on edgy
[03:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've done the patch
[03:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: it seems the only missing thing is knm not communicating to the service
[03:16] <Tonio_> appart from that, it should work
[03:19] <Tonio_> danimo: so if it didn't work for you on edgy,  it will not on feisty
[03:19] <Tonio_> danimo: now the question is : WHY :)
[03:20] <Tonio_> Lure: once everything works, I'll have to check what are the kmail patches and what do they provide
[03:21] <Jucato> Tonio_: who would be the person to poke about System Settings if Sime isn't around?
[03:21] <Tonio_> kwwii: ping ?
[03:21] <Tonio_> Jucato: Lure
[03:21] <Tonio_> Jucato: or myself in that concerns the kcm structure
[03:21] <Tonio_> s/in/if
[03:22] <Jucato> Tonio_: more on what's included/excluded from System Settings
[03:22] <Tonio_> Jucato: then me :)
[03:22] <Tonio_> Jucato: okay
[03:23] <Jucato> bug 74583 bug 67063 bug 82285
[03:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74583 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings in Edgy does not show kdmtheme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74583
[03:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67063 in kde-systemsettings "No way to alter Launch Feedback via System Settings" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67063
[03:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82285 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings does not have the Panels settings module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82285
[03:23] <kwwii> Tonio_: pong
[03:23] <Tonio_> Jucato: 74583 concerns universe kcm, I'm working on it
[03:24] <Tonio_> 82285 is in kicker
[03:24] <Tonio_> no reason to add that to systemsettings, just configure via kicker
[03:24] <Tonio_> no idea what 67063 is
[03:24] <Jucato> Tonio_: um...
[03:25] <Tonio_> kwwii: I saw polyester will be the default ?
[03:25] <Jucato> Tonio_: I mentioned something there about why Panels should be back in System Settings
[03:25] <Tonio_> kwwii: I like it except one HORRIBLE thing
[03:26] <Tonio_> kwwii: JucatoI see....
[03:26] <Tonio_> we can discuss this eventually and put that on advanced maybe
[03:26] <danimo> Tonio_: damn
[03:27] <danimo> Tonio_: I just don't dare to test feisty yet on my production system
[03:27] <kwwii> Tonio_: what is that?
[03:27] <Tonio_> kwwii: on tabs, the texts have a border, that's horrible
[03:27] <Tonio_> kwwii: is there a way to remove that ?
[03:28] <imbrandon> heya kwwii
[03:28] <kwwii> do you mean the box around the text itself?
[03:28] <kwwii> howdy imbrandon
[03:28] <kwwii> Tonio_: I agree that that is probably the worst part of it
[03:28] <kwwii> perhaps we can look into the code and make that box much lighter, or have more padding
[03:29] <kwwii> but it is not configurable, that I could see
[03:29] <Tonio_> kwwii: wait, I just removed it
[03:29] <kwwii> lol
[03:29] <Tonio_> I don't know which option did that but it is removed :)
[03:29] <kwwii> it is the keyboard selection
[03:29] <Tonio_> I simply unchecked everything
[03:29] <Tonio_> kwwii: okay as long as that's configurable, I'll do the defaults :)
[03:29] <kwwii> so that you know where you are when you tab through the ui
[03:30] <kwwii> Tonio_: did you see the other things I changed?
[03:30] <kwwii> I posted my rc file a while ago
[03:31] <Tonio_> kwwii: nope, I'll have to test :)
[03:32] <kwwii> hrm, I'll have to boot my other computer
[03:32] <kwwii> give me a minute
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya
[03:41] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:41] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:41] <kwwii> Tonio_: forwarded
[03:44] <nixternal> what time is the release?
[03:44] <Jucato> oh btw... kwwii I just remembered something. I noticed something in a default Kubuntu Edgy install's color scheme. the "Current Scheme" doesn't match the kubuntuColors.kcsrc in kubuntu-default-settings
[03:50] <nixternal> crimsun: dude!!! where's my car?  oh, hey that new Kernel upgrade right, it did something very weird to my system
[03:51] <nixternal> the new Kernel has shown me that my mute button, actually is lit up when you hit mute :)  never knew that about this laptop, so that fix did more than fix the sound :)
[04:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll need to work on kdepim, the networkstatus debian packaging is not good, misses header files and lots of things
[04:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll had suse changes
[04:24] <Tonio_> I just don't understand the src.rpm structure.... some patches are normal, and some are reverted.... doesn't make sense
[04:31] <Lure> mhb: ping
[04:32] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: good luck getting an answer in there :(
[04:35] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: yeah but I can't find the devel channel.... maybe manchicken will know
[04:35] <gnomefreak> apokrypho^s might know but hes away atm
[04:37] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[04:38] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: i just tried #opensuse-devel but it fowards to #suse :(
[04:38] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: yup I did that too :)
[04:40] <Lure> Tonio_: pong
[04:40] <Tonio_> Lure: are you aware how suse packaging work ?
[04:40] <Tonio_> Lure: knetorkmanager package has both normal and reverted patches
[04:40] <Lure> Tonio_: just a bit (did not use rpm .spec for 2 years or so)
[04:40] <Tonio_> and the reverted patch includes header files that don't exist anymore in kdepim
[04:41] <Lure> Tonio_: maybe it tries both to apply
[04:41] <Tonio_> Lure: doesn't make sense to me
[04:41] <Tonio_> Lure: yeah but in that case that should fail to build
[04:41] <Tonio_> #include "serviceiface_stub.h"
[04:41] <Lure> Tonio_: or it might be obsolete patch and packageing does not complain
[04:41] <Tonio_> that doesn't exist anymore
[04:41] <Tonio_> Lure: look at the patch :
[04:41] <Lure> Tonio_: are you sure this file does not get created by build
[04:42] <Lure> _stub sounds as some ipc stub that may be autogenerated
[04:42] <Tonio_> hum, that's possible indeed
[04:42] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/53
[04:42] <Tonio_> Lure: as you can see that's perfectly reverted.......... stupid
[04:42] <Tonio_> Lure: if I revert the patch, that applies.......... ;)
[04:42] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, looks like reverted
[04:43] <Lure> Tonio_: just try to find who creates _stub.h
[04:43] <Tonio_> Lure: in any case I have to patch kdepim first since the debian packaging is incomplete, it misses .h files so knm ftbfs
[04:43] <Lure> Tonio_: great work
[04:44] <Lure> Tonio_: if you will have some test packages drop them somewhere and I will test at evenings
[04:45] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll put them on my repo
[04:45] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org
[04:45] <Tonio_> kdepim currently building
[04:47] <Tonio_> Lure: if patches are tested both ways during the rpm build, I understand why debian people hate rpms :)
[04:47] <Tonio_> sounds like a nightmare to maintain
[05:16] <mhb> hi Lure
[05:16] <mhb> and everyone
[05:16] <mhb> Lure: need something tested?
[05:17] <Jucato> hi mhb!! :D
[05:19] <mhb> hi Jucato, how are you?
[05:20] <Jucato> mhb: very happy :)
[05:21] <mhb> Jucato: congratulations
[05:21] <Jucato> thanks ;)
[05:22] <mhb> Riddell: thanks for finalizing and reviewing the MIR for me
[05:24] <Riddell> mhb: you need to poke pitti about it now
[05:24] <gnomefreak> should gpg keys be RSA or DSA&ElGamal?
[05:25] <Zerlinna> Riddell: has Tasma anything to do with our system settings?
[05:28] <mhb> Riddell: okay, I'll poke him ... anything special to say to him?
[05:35] <Riddell> Zerlinna: never heard of him/her/it
[05:35] <Riddell> mhb: "please do this MIR"
[05:38] <Zerlinna> Riddell: smb thought that system settings was based on it http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/masaustu/tasma/index.html
[05:39] <Jucato> System Settings was more based on Mac OS X's Preferences iirc
[05:39] <Zerlinna> Jucato: thanx
[05:40] <Riddell> Zerlinna: nope, although they both just load kcontrol modules so the end result if often the same
[05:40] <Zerlinna> Riddell: ah ok
[05:43] <\sh> hmmm...why isn't it possible to maximize a window over two screens? in xinerama mode?
[05:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you remember what /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/filemanagement is for again?
[05:51] <Riddell> it stops `kfmclient openProfile filemanagement` from showing the home directory
[05:55] <Riddell> hello Bent
[05:56] <Bent> Hi Riddell
[05:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: originally the file was to define the personnalized .rc file
[05:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's what I suspected.  so we don't need it now?
[05:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that created the "options missing" bug in the menus
[05:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: well as we now are back to the standard konqueror.rc file, I think we can drop this file
[05:59] <Tonio_> same for the webbrowsing one I assume
[05:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've prepared a new kds, do you want me to drop the files in it ?
[06:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: new kds is for the new kopete theme
[06:00] <Tonio_> I'm just waiting for the end of the freeze to commit and upload
[06:00] <Tonio_> so if you have a bugid, I can add that change too
[06:00] <Tonio_> kdepim build is looooooooooooooooooooooong
[06:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't think it has a beastie number
[06:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I'll clean kds with the next upload
[06:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: commited on bzr, I'll upload once the freeze ends and the kopete theming is over
[06:11] <Tm_T> Uff, Expo over, finally.
[06:12] <Tonio_> I'll also integrate the new kicker ui
[06:14] <Riddell> Tm_T: lots of new converts?
[06:17] <Tm_T> Riddell: Lots of new users and contacts, I hope yes. :)
[06:22] <Tm_T> IF we ever get "Kids Office" in alpha/beta state, we have lots of interest to collaboration in edu side here.
[06:23] <Tm_T> Hmm, I might be able even to get sponsors... have to hint this in #koffice ->
[06:28] <Tm_T> Hmh, a bit too slow to kick...
[06:52] <nixternal> boo
[07:13] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[07:15] <Enola_Gay> I have found a huge bug in kmail. If I set the pop3 account to not remove the mails (Leave the fetched messages on server) but not enable for x days mails should be on the server for ever. But instead of this it removes all until I set days to some value like 365 (the maximum).
[07:16] <Riddell> X days?
[07:16] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: You could set a value for it between 1 and 365 days.
[07:16] <Enola_Gay> A friend of mine has loses all his webmails.
[07:17] <Enola_Gay> I am useing Edgy with KDE 3.5.5
[07:17] <Enola_Gay> and he too
[07:17] <Riddell> oh I see, I missed that you said that wasn't enabled
[07:18] <Enola_Gay> :)
[07:18] <Riddell> Enola_Gay: any idea if upstream has this bug?
[07:18] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: If the bug is already listed or if KDE of others distris has this bug?
[07:19] <Riddell> Enola_Gay: yes, if KDE PIM dudes know about it
[07:19] <Enola_Gay> Should I ask on #kde or search on bugs.kde.org?
[07:20] <Riddell> Enola_Gay: #kontact
[07:21] <Enola_Gay> thx
[07:33] <_StefanS_> hi
[07:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: saw you comment on the bug #69118, have you uploaded an updated knetworkmanager, or should I insert the DCOP entry myself?
[07:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69118 in kdenetwork "knetworkmanager freezes if kwallet doesn't open immediately" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69118
[07:35] <_StefanS_> btw, is k3b v1.0 considerd for inclusion in feisty ?
[07:37] <Enola_Gay> _StefanS_: Are the cd verification bugs fixed in K3B 1.0?
[07:38] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: I have asked in #kontact and made a bug report http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141019. Should I make a bug report in launchpad too?
[07:38] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 141019 in general "leave fetched messages on the server doesn't work on some circumstances" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[07:38] <_StefanS_> Enola_Gay: oh I dont know
[07:39] <_StefanS_> Enola_Gay: if its bugged as hell (I've used rc3, which had some bugs), then its probably a bad thing
[07:39] <Enola_Gay> _StefanS_: Since edgy it couldn't mount the data cds or something like that so it tells me always that it couldn't find files to check.
[07:39] <Enola_Gay> _StefanS_: I have never used 1.0 only the older ones.
[07:39] <Enola_Gay> _StefanS_: Does 1.0 always open cd tray after burning?
[07:39] <_StefanS_> Enola_Gay: nope dont think so actually
[07:40] <_StefanS_> Enola_Gay: I seem to remember it didn't
[07:40] <Riddell> Enola_Gay: you can do, if it's linked to the upstream bug
[07:40] <Riddell> _StefanS_: if it gets released in time
[07:41] <_StefanS_> Enola_Gay: I will test the latest to see how it behaves.
[07:41] <Enola_Gay> _StefanS_: You could disable it in k3b but this only happens on last action so if you burn a cd rw and check it afterwards tray is opened at least two times which is very annoying on laptops which can't close tray on their own.
[07:41] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: Ok.
[07:41] <_StefanS_> Enola_Gay: I see, I haven't tried that
[07:41] <_StefanS_> Enola_Gay: don't use either cdrw or verify :)
[07:42] <_StefanS_> Enola_Gay: seems like I'm not scared of losing my data, and have enough cd-r to spend :D
[07:42] <Enola_Gay> :)
[07:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: Is Tonio around ?
[07:43] <_StefanS_> Riddell: He asked me to test a fix for knetworkmanager
[07:44] <_StefanS_> Enola_Gay: I will test the latest rc5 anyways, maybe everything is fine
[07:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: not sure if I should wait for a package via apt/updates, or fix manually
[07:45] <_StefanS_> I be off for a while to watch the latest prison break :)
[07:45] <_StefanS_> cu
[07:46] <_StefanS_> all
[08:09] <Lure> mhb: ping?
[08:18] <Enola_Gay> cu all
[08:32] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: how can we check if k-d-s sru is in -proposed (edgy-changes says it was released)
[08:40] <mhb> Lure: again? .o)
[08:41] <mhb> Lure: you need the testing, right?
[08:41] <Lure> mhb: yes, was searching for you re sru testing
[08:41] <mhb> Lure: edgy?
[08:41] <Lure> mhb: ScottK did some, but only one was released
[08:41] <Lure> mhb: edgy yes: bug 75017 & bug 73617
[08:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU: remove /.hidden file " [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75017
[08:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73617 in digikam "SRU proposal" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73617
[08:42] <Lure> digikam is in edgy-proposed, k-d-s is still waiting for archive-admin to publish it
[08:42] <mhb> Lure: non-published package for k-d-s available?
[08:43] <Lure> not really, we should wait for pitti (or any other archive-admin) to publish it
[08:43] <Tonio_> Lure: add the edgy-proposed repo and apt-cache policy maybe ?
[08:44] <Lure> Tonio_: I do not have edgy at hand, but ScottK did not get it in -proposed (he got digikam)
[08:44] <ScottK> It wasn't there.
[08:44] <Lure> Tonio_: and no note from pitti about upload as for digikam
[08:45] <ScottK> Also not statused as fix committed.
[08:45] <Lure> exactly - still 'In Progress'
[08:49] <Tonio_> yup I'm waiting to be able to upload to released
[08:49] <Tonio_> I'm having hard time packaging kdepim.... but if it works, that'll be great
[09:02] <danimo> Tonio_: ping?
[09:04] <danimo> heya folks
[09:05] <danimo> imbrandon: ping?
[09:30] <DaSkreech> Was there to be a Feisty CD released today?
[09:30] <crimsun> late this week, likely next week
[09:31] <danimo> Tonio_: ping?
[09:32] <Tonio_> danimo: yeah ?
[09:32] <Tm_T> How I did get list of freenode staff online?
[09:32] <danimo> Tonio_: hi
[09:32] <danimo> Tonio_: I just committed the .desktop fixes in knetworkmanager to subversion
[09:32] <danimo> Tonio_: working on some other patches now
[09:33] <Tonio_> danimo: yes I have a package here including the fixx
[09:33] <Tonio_> that's the X-DCOP thing right ?
[09:33] <danimo> Tonio_: no, just spelling
[09:33] <danimo> Tonio_: but I can't convince configure to find dbus/connection.h
[09:33] <Tonio_> danimo: ah this one :)
[09:33] <danimo> Tonio_: and I'm going mad over it
[09:33] <DaSkreech> crimsun: then basically a two week relelase timeframe till Feisty ships?
[09:33] <danimo> Tonio_: I talked to thoening and I am trying on ad-hoc network support now
[09:34] <Tonio_> okay great
[09:34] <crimsun> DaSkreech: ...in February? 7.04 doesn't release until late April.
[09:34] <crimsun> Tm_T: /stats p
[09:34] <danimo> Tonio_: but I installed the libdbus-qt-dev package and still no go
[09:34] <Tonio_> danimo: if you see something going wrong in my package, please feedback :)
[09:34] <Tm_T> crimsun: Thanks, found it.
[09:34] <Tonio_> danimo: hum you have problems building the sources ?
[09:34] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Sorry I meant  new testing Cd every two weeks
[09:34] <danimo> yes
[09:34] <Tonio_> danimo: apt-get build-dep knetwormanager
[09:35] <Lure> danimo: what is the problem with dbus?
[09:35] <Tonio_> that should do the trick
[09:35] <DaSkreech> That's what the schedule seems to indicate
[09:35] <danimo> Tonio_: good point
[09:35] <crimsun> DaSkreech: I don't know if the schedule is that precise. As you can tell, Herd* have been running a bit later than indicated
[09:35] <danimo> Tonio_: interesting, depends on libdbus-glib-1-dev
[09:35] <danimo> Lure: lets see
[09:35] <Tonio_> danimo: yes it does
[09:35] <Lure> danimo: there is only glib based dbus
[09:36] <Lure> qt4 brings also qt mainloop support
[09:36] <danimo> Tonio_: how so?
[09:36] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Yeah I noticed :) but that's roughly when you want to have a new build?
[09:36] <danimo> Lure: well, doesn't help me for knetworkmanager
[09:36] <danimo> Lure: I know the qt4 dbus bindings
[09:36] <Lure> danimo: what do you want to do?
[09:36] <danimo> build knm
[09:36] <Lure> then apt-get build-dep should be enough
[09:36] <danimo> checking dbus/connection.h usability... no
[09:36] <danimo> checking dbus/connection.h presence... no
[09:36] <danimo> checking for dbus/connection.h... no
[09:36] <danimo> configure: WARNING: You need D-Bus/Qt3 bindings
[09:37] <danimo> yeah, should
[09:37] <Lure> danimo: it might be that recent dbus updates have broken build and we did not notice as knm was built before...
[09:38] <Lure> very strange though
[09:38] <danimo> Lure: I am still on edgy
[09:38] <danimo> Lure: so that's faily unlikely
[09:39] <Lure> danimo: ok
[09:39] <danimo> it must be something fairly stupid
[09:40] <Lure> danimo: try installing libdbus-qt-1-dev
[09:40] <danimo> Lure: been there, done that
[09:40] <danimo> if only I wasn't so clueless about autoconf
[09:41] <Lure> danimo: dpkg -S dbus/connection.h
[09:41] <danimo> libdbus-qt-1-dev: /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/connection.h
[09:41] <danimo> it's there, it's just not being detected
[09:41] <danimo> Lure: really weired
[09:43] <Lure> danimo: which version of automake/autoconf do you have?
[09:43] <danimo> autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.60
[09:46] <danimo> Lure: do you suggest I need a more recent one?
[09:47] <Lure> danimo: no, it should be fine
[09:47] <danimo> Lure: I don't get it then, really
[09:47] <Lure> danimo: me neither
[09:47] <Lure> :-(
[09:48] <Lure> danimo: what does PACKAGE_CFLAGS line say - is the include path correct for dbus?
[09:50] <danimo> Lure: where should that be?
[09:50] <Lure> it is reported by ./configure couple of lines before dbus/connection.h check
[09:53] <danimo> Lure: can't see such a line
[09:54] <Lure> checking PACKAGE_CFLAGS... -DDBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/hal -I/usr/include/NetworkManager -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include
[09:54] <Lure> danimo: ^^^ this is feisty
[09:55] <danimo> Lure: nope
[09:55] <Lure> danimo: dbus < 1.0 does not work if you are missing -DDBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE
[09:55] <danimo> Lure: edgy comes with 1.0 afaik
[09:56] <Lure> danimo: yes, you are right - it landed just in time for release....
[09:59] <DaSkreech> Well Grampaing Gorilla is soon upon us :)
[09:59] <ScottK> Lure: I bet you could get danimo to test the digikam SRU....
[10:00] <Lure> ScottK: ;-)
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Hmm wonder what the diff between the old Ubuntu Book and the new one is
[10:30] <danimo> Lure: config.log has PACKAGE_CFLAGS=''
[10:32] <danimo> Lure: I am lacking all the .pc files
[10:32] <danimo> Lure: which ones do you have?
[10:36] <danimo> Lure: hmm, nevermind
[10:39] <danimo> Lure: found it! :)
[10:40] <danimo> Lure: libnl-dev is missing from the build dependencies of knetworkmanager
[10:49] <danimo> and yay, netlink causes include trouble
[10:49] <Riddell> Lure: add it to sources.list and find out :)
[10:50] <danimo>  /usr/include/netlink/rtnetlink-kernel.h:498: error: __u64 does not name a type
[10:50] <danimo> wow, great
[10:52] <ScottK> A question related to Lure's question about finding out what's in -proposed....  When I enabled proposed to test the digikam SRU, there were about a dozen updates there.  Is there a list I can look at to see which bugs they relate to or do I just have to hunt through launchpad package by package?
[10:53] <danimo> ScottK: SRU?
[10:53] <ScottK> Stable Release Update
[10:53] <danimo> ScottK: ah
[10:54] <danimo> ScottK: such exists?
[10:54] <Lure> danimo: nice catch - I will talk to Tonio_ to add build-dep with next upload
[10:54] <danimo> ScottK: I thought it was frowened upon
[10:54] <ScottK> Yes.
[10:54] <ScottK> Only for important stuff.
[10:54] <danimo> Lure: well, maybe it has been added as a new dependency lately
[10:54] <Lure> Riddell: ? talking about sru?
[10:54] <danimo> Lure: it seems to cause compilation problems, too
[10:55] <Lure> Riddell: it seems it's waiting for pitti (archive-admin) to accept it into proposed
[10:55] <ScottK> danimo: See bug 73617 for an example.
[10:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73617 in digikam "SRU proposal" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73617
[10:55] <ScottK> It needs a certain number of people to test and verify it works before it can be released.
[10:56] <danimo> ScottK: ah, ok
[10:57] <Lure> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=verification-needed
[10:57] <ScottK> Lure: Thanks.
[10:57] <Lure> ScottK: but it does not look like all are there
[10:57] <ScottK> Agree.
[10:58] <danimo> Lure: nevermind, the dep is new in svn
[11:00] <ScottK> Lure: It looks like bug 73617 is tagged correctly.  I wonder why it doesn't appear?
[11:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73617 in digikam "SRU proposal" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73617
[11:01] <Lure> ScottK: report bug in launchpad ;-)
[11:01] <Lure> ScottK: [23:00]  <pitti> Lure: I'll do some archive admin tomorrow morning
[11:01] <ScottK> OK.
[11:01] <Lure> ScottK: this means that k-d-s will probably get in tommorow
[11:01] <ScottK> OK.
[11:02] <ScottK> I'll be out in the AM, but may be able to test in the afternoon.
[11:02] <ScottK> Bug me on kubuntu-testers if I don't.
[11:15] <Riddell> amarok 1.4.5 ready to package
[11:16] <crimsun> imbrandon agreed to pick up 1.4.5 from hobbsee (time constraints?)
[11:18] <Riddell> I think it was the other way around
[11:23] <ScottK> Lure: The LP bug is reported: Bug #82745 - Feel free to confirm it....
[11:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82745 in launchpad "Not all tagged bugs show up in when querying by tag" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82745


[03:34] <Guest8810> hello am interested to make ubuntu grow, is there a developer or marketing person whos is willing to read my suggestions?
[03:34] <Guest8810> whats the topic?
[03:35] <Guest8810> hello?
[03:38] <BHSPitMonkey> Guest8810: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[03:41] <RD> hello?
[03:42] <Takyoji> Yes?
[03:42] <RD> I have an Idea to solve bug #1
[03:42] <ubot4> RD: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[03:43] <BHSPitMonkey> Free t-shirts?
[03:43] <Takyoji> Which would be?
[03:44] <RD> Canonical should start counting its users by installing a package popularity contest during first time installation for more details here is the link I found:
[03:44] <RD> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7668093#post7668093
[03:44] <RD> I think this will solve bug #1
[03:45] <ubot4> RD: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[03:46] <RD> did anyone took a look at at the link?
[03:46] <BHSPitMonkey> RD: you have that option during installation
[03:46] <RD> I do?
[03:46] <RD> where?
[03:46] <BHSPitMonkey> Yes
[03:47] <RD> are you talking about ubuntu 9.04 or 9.10?
[03:47] <BHSPitMonkey> It's under the Advanced options, on the screen right before it starts actually installing
[03:47] <BHSPitMonkey> It's been there for a few versions.
[03:47] <RD> I never seen it, how about if they make it part of the installation without having to hide it under the advanced tab?
[03:47] <BHSPitMonkey> It's not enabled by default because that would be a glaring breach of privacy
[03:48] <RD> am sure average users wont even look at the advanced tab
[03:48] <BHSPitMonkey> Put it on http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[03:49] <RD> someone already put it there but the devs dont seem to pay attention to it, however it has lots of votes
[03:51] <RD> I was thinking if Canonical would do the same thing as mozilla
[03:51] <RD> mozilla advertized firefox all over the web and look now firefox has more than 25% markettshare
[03:52] <RD> can canonical do this?
[03:53] <RD> hello?
[03:53] <Takyoji> Numbers on marketshare for software is a bit inaccurate typically
[03:53] <Takyoji> or at least in my perspective
[03:54] <RD> I understand its not accurate but at least it gives you an idea of how many users are using ubuntu or firefox
[03:55] <RD> so can canonical do the same thing as mozilla?
[03:57] <RD> anyone?
[03:58] <Takyoji> They just need to make it more apparent is all (in terms of the package popularity survey option)
[03:59] <RD> so you are telling me that canonical is considering/ developing the package popularity idea?
[04:01] <Takyoji> Stupid me, I'll review the whole topic, I'm most likely missing a detail
[04:01] <RD> sorry I got diconnected
[04:01] <Takyoji> also, that's another factor, people are also behind caching proxies/mirrors sometimes (which helps reduce server load)
[04:02] <RD> no am not using proxy, I accidently closed the chat tab under firefox :-D
[04:03] <Takyoji> Erm, stupid me, it wouldn't have to be forced to go through the specified mirror..
[04:03] <RD> so just to make it more clear, canonical already has the popularity contest package hiden under the advanced options during ubuntu installation right?
[04:07] <RD> are you still there takyoji? :)
[04:10] <RD> are you still there takyoji?
[04:11] <Takyoji> Yes
[04:11] <Takyoji> To my understanding, yes
[04:13] <RD> someone told me that options is hidden? it shouldint
[04:14] <RD> anyway am leaving for now
[15:11] <BryanNL> Hey all
[15:12] <BryanNL> Can somebody help me?


[11:19] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[11:34] <JonathanD> hi
[15:21] <ChinnoDog> o/
[20:12] <swift110> hey
[20:32] <waltman> yo
[21:49] <ChinnoDog> Hi swift110
[22:51] <swift110> how are you?
[22:51] <swift110> how are you waltman
[23:34] <waltman> So my issue yesterday with not being able to login to the new kernel? Turned out to be my nvidia driver. The nvidia installer only put its modules under /lib/modules/4.8.0-32-generic.
[23:35] <waltman> I uninstalled it and reinstalled it using the packages in a semi-official ppa. Hopefully those can handle kernel updates better.
[23:35] <waltman> Anyhow, I'm now rocking 4.8.0-34.
[23:36] <rmg51> now you can go back to the forums and answer your own question
[23:36] <waltman> Right! But after dinner, I think. :)