[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: setting up that query will be very easy for Master bugs
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> but I'm a bit of a busy man right now. it'll have to go on the backburner
[11:47] <shirish> anybody here?
[11:53] <shirish> can anybody help me, I am looking to build chroot
[12:03] <shirish> Hi Alex, can u help me?
[12:04] <shirish> AlexLatchford: can u help me?
[12:04] <AlexLatchford> Howdy
[12:04] <AlexLatchford> whats up?
[12:04] <shirish> I am trying to build chroot, noob here just bear with me till I tell u what I have done
[12:05] <shirish> I am sure you know this page
[12:05] <shirish> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[12:05] <AlexLatchford> hmm, I don't think I am quite the man to help
[12:06] <AlexLatchford> I do the wiki writing and small amounts of bug triage, nothing technical really
[12:06] <AlexLatchford> I would talk to hjmf, gnomefreak or asac
[12:06] <shirish> ah ok, sorry then I also do some small bug triaging
[12:06] <AlexLatchford> aha good
[12:07] <shirish> just need to do some retrace hence need some guidance as apport is still not upto the mark
[12:07] <AlexLatchford> what are you trying to do?
[12:07] <AlexLatchford> aha okay
[12:07] <AlexLatchford> you have seen the mozilla team guide yes?
[12:07] <AlexLatchford> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Apport/Retrace
[12:07] <shirish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/102654
[12:07] <ubotu> Malone bug 102654 in firefox "firefox crashed " [Undecided,Needs info]
[12:08] <shirish> yup seen that, it directs one to first build a DebootstrapChroot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[12:09] <AlexLatchford> are you receiving an error?
[12:09] <shirish> nope It is in process, I am just wondering if the process/procedure I am doing is right or not
[12:10] <shirish> because I have used feisty sources everywhere while building the chroot
[12:11] <shirish> and interestingly apport still does not seem to be in the main repository?
[12:12] <shirish> actually it should be apport not in the base system, it seems to be in additional packages in main repository
[12:12] <AlexLatchford> apport still isnt?
[12:14] <shirish> Alex do u remember the command to know where all the contents of a package .deb are installed?
[12:15] <AlexLatchford> apt-cache -h
[12:15] <AlexLatchford> or apt-get -h will tell you
[12:15] <AlexLatchford> maybe showsrc?
[12:17] <giskard> hello *
[12:18] <giskard> do you know how i can tell xulrunner to use by default modern instead of classic
[12:18] <giskard> as theme?
[12:19] <shirish> nope, that isnt it
[12:21] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: whats up?
[12:21] <AlexLatchford> shirish needs some help on Apport Retracing
[12:21] <shirish> hi gnomefreak
[12:22] <gnomefreak> oh boy
[12:22] <AlexLatchford> I still haven't read through the guides yet so I am no use
[12:22] <shirish> sorry if I have ruined your early morning, afternoon or evening gnomefreak
[12:22] <gnomefreak> shirish: how much do you know. what are you trying to retrace? what version of ubuntu is the user useing what version are you using
[12:22] <gnomefreak> shirish: not yet ill ruin that in about 20 mintues by myself :(
[12:23] <shirish> gnomefreak: I am trying to retrace my own firefox crash file as they are too big to send, so sending them retrace is good help to developers as well as saving of bandwidth
[12:24] <gnomefreak> shirish: feisty?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> or edgy?
[12:24] <shirish> gnomefreak: yup feisty
[12:24] <shirish> although I have managed to set up a chroot environment do not know if the method I have followed is right or wrong till now
[12:25] <shirish> for e.g. I have used this one http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3_all.deb as debootstrap is that ok, it is the newest kid on the block
[12:25] <hjmf> hi
[12:25] <shirish> hi hjmf
[12:26] <hjmf> shirish: I think that since it is your own report you can retrace it with gdb,
[12:26] <hjmf>  it will be easier
[12:26] <hjmf> just install the firefox-dbg package
[12:26] <hjmf> and run
[12:26] <shirish> does that mean I did not have to do the chroot thing at all :(
[12:26] <hjmf> not really
[12:26] <gnomefreak> ok just backspaced everything ty hjmf :)
[12:27] <AlexLatchford> lol
[12:27] <hjmf> :)
[12:27] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: you will have my onslaught maybe in 2 days :)
[12:27] <AlexLatchford> I have got some time planned to learn retracing
[12:27] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:27] <shirish> and if I install that what happens to my normal firefox one, or can they run side-by-side
[12:27] <hjmf> shirish: unpack your crash report in some dir
[12:27] <AlexLatchford> as I have a fast net connection and unlimited bandwidth so I may as well use it
[12:28] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: let me get this repo finished first adn ill will help you :) btw i have apport_0.61 debs for edgy retraces (or feisty if you wish)
[12:28] <shirish> hjmf: how do I unpack it? it is  something_something.crash
[12:28] <hjmf> e.g. apport-unpack /var/crash/_usr_bin_... /tmp/unpack
[12:29] <hjmf> download and install firefox-dbg
[12:29] <hjmf> ... just apt-get it :)
[12:29] <AlexLatchford> (sudo apt-get install firefox-dbg)
[12:29] <AlexLatchford> (I do know something!)
[12:29] <shirish> hjmf: I am just asking if this one does not disrupt my already some-what functioning firefox
[12:29] <hjmf> :)
[12:30] <hjmf> not at all
[12:30] <shirish> it has passwords & stuff as well as couple of extensions & about 7 days of browsing history in it
[12:30] <gnomefreak> no its build with firefox
[12:30] <gnomefreak> just cant be a depends on it
[12:31] <gnomefreak> shirish: is the crash reproducable all the time?
[12:31] <hjmf> all that stuff will be in your own config dir, so no problem
[12:31] <shirish> nope, sometimes and it may be due to different things I have no idea
[12:32] <shirish> ok downloading the de-bugged version of firefox its a biggie one
[12:32] <hjmf> yes it is :)
[12:32] <gnomefreak> yep it is
[12:33] <gnomefreak> try uploding it on slow connection :(
[12:33] <AlexLatchford> hours of fun!
[12:33] <hjmf> lol
[12:33] <gnomefreak> 1hour 33 minutes left
[12:33] <gnomefreak> uploading it now
[12:33] <hjmf> maybe you can compile|upload through a pipe :)
[12:33] <gnomefreak> than the fun begins
[12:34] <shirish> yup although I am downloading it at at 30 KBps which is fast in my country, India
[12:34] <gnomefreak> never though of that
[12:34] <hjmf> would be impossible I guess :)
[12:34] <gnomefreak> shirish: im normally download 26kbps on dsl-lite
[12:34] <gnomefreak> image what i get on upload
[12:35] <gnomefreak> brb coffee
[12:35] <shirish> same here, 1/4th of upload, the only salvation is its unlimited
[12:35] <shirish> sure
[12:35] <shirish> hjmf: till our beloved friend comes back, perhaps u could tell me about the apport-unpack thing
[12:35] <hjmf> then I'm the lucky one 3000kbps
[12:35] <shirish> WOWEEEEEEEEe
[12:35] <AlexLatchford> I am on 8meg :)
[12:36] <shirish> guys dont make me jealous right nwo
[12:36] <shirish> now
[12:36] <hjmf> shirish: just type:
[12:36] <hjmf> apport-unpack /path/to/crashreport /tmp/unpack
[12:36] <hjmf> that will unpack it
[12:37] <shirish> hjmf: ok on it
[12:37] <hjmf> then the coredump will be located at /tmp/unpack
[12:38] <hjmf> once the firefox-dbg is installed
[12:38] <hjmf> you have to run...
[12:38] <hjmf> gdb -nx /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -c CoreDump 2>&1 | tee gdb.log
[12:39] <hjmf> when you'll be at that point ping me
[12:40] <shirish> hjmf: wait a moment please
[12:40] <hjmf> k
[12:40] <asac> hi all
[12:41] <shirish> the firefox-dbg package which I am downloading is from mains, it needs to be from martin repository or this one is ok
[12:41] <shirish> hi asac
[12:41] <asac> gnomefreak: how is your archive doing?
[12:42] <asac> should i start to setup sync stuff?
[12:42] <hjmf> hi asac
[12:42] <shirish> debhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebsfeistymainrestricteduniversemultiverse this one or the one I already have in the mains, in case this is no good I will just un-install it and do it from that repository
[12:42] <hjmf> I tried that stuff on  calling DumpJSStack() with no results
[12:42] <hjmf> ... but I'm the noob :)
[12:42] <shirish> asac: gnomefreak has gone for coffee
[12:43] <asac> hjmf: what happened?
[12:43] <asac> shirish: ah thx
[12:43] <hjmf> let me a second ...
[12:43] <shirish> sure
[12:45] <shirish> asac: have u done apport-retrace also?
[12:45] <asac> only a little :)
[12:46] <asac> hmmm anyone else saw the "Firefox restart required" notification on last upgrade though firefox was not running?
[12:46] <shirish> nope when was this?
[12:47] <asac> today ;)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> asac: i found the problem (not yet sure what to do to fix it maybe a different gpg command to sign release file) im uploading the rest of fx 3 and all iceape stuff
[12:47] <shirish> I have <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu2 what about yours?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> asac: no
[12:48] <asac> bug 102684
[12:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 102684 in firefox "Don't ask me to restart Firefox when it's not running" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102684
[12:48] <gnomefreak> i didnt get that page
[12:48] <shirish> gnomefreak: glad you are back, the firefox-dbg package is to be taken from the main repository, right?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> oh that
[12:48] <gnomefreak> shirish: yes
[12:48] <shirish> ok then I am on right track
[12:48] <asac> gnomefreak: if you are done, i will try
[12:49] <gnomefreak> no where near done. i am only one firefox-trunk-dbg  should be least of firefox-trunk packages
[12:49] <shirish> asac: go right ahead, mine is very small query
[12:50] <hjmf> ... back again, sorry
[12:50] <hjmf> asac: No symbol "DumpJSStack" in current context.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> i need 4hours or so to do iceape and finish rebuilding the .gz and updating the release file. as long as i dont upload the release.gpg we are fine
[12:50] <hjmf> not sure what should be the right context
[12:51] <hjmf> I've played a bit with gdb but with no succeed
[12:51] <hjmf> ... till the point to crash the whole system :)
[12:52] <asac> hjmf: oh :)
[12:52] <hjmf> don't want to know how, sure
[12:52] <asac> hjmf: what was the stack?
[12:52] <asac> ... the bug?
[12:52] <hjmf> bug 91584
[12:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 91584 in firefox "MASTER firefox crash [@nsHTMLDocument::GetElementById]  [@XPTC_InvokeByIndex] " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91584
[12:53] <hjmf> I've tried with other cores from JS_stuff stacks too
[12:53] <hjmf> same succeed
[12:53] <asac> hmm ... so DumpJSStack is not found?
[12:54] <shirish> gnomefreak: are u also building the FF 3.0a2/3 packages?
[12:55] <hjmf> no, maybe there you should enable some flag at compiling time
[12:55] <gnomefreak> i think its a2
[12:55] <gnomefreak> asac: 2.99+2 is alpha 2 right?
[12:55] <asac> hjmf: ok
[12:56] <asac> hjmf: its just available in debug builds :/
[12:56] <gnomefreak> shirish: but yes im building 3.0 series
[12:56] <hjmf> ok
[12:56] <shirish> gnomefreak: cool, and this will be in feisty or the next one after feisty will be released?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> right now not sure if feisty+1
[12:57] <asac> hjmf: is xpc_DumpJSStack ... available?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> shirish: nothing will be in feisty thats not there already
[12:57] <asac> gnomefreak: no the +2 has nothing to do with that :)
[12:57] <shirish> drats lol :P
[12:57] <hjmf> No symbol "xpc_DumpJSStack" in current context.
[12:57] <gnomefreak> iceape == feisty+1 (unless issues)
[12:58] <hjmf> I remember something about ns....::DebugDumpJSStack
[12:58] <shirish> gnomefreak: is that the official name given by mozilla to firefox 3, iceape?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> asac: than what build is 20070404? i know thats the date but do you know what alpha it is?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> no
[12:58] <hjmf> that worked somehow
[12:58] <gnomefreak> iceape == seamonkey
[12:58] <shirish> or the debian iceweasel thing?
[12:58] <hjmf> just I cant find it now
[12:58] <shirish> gnomefreak: seamonkey is a suite is not it?
[12:58] <asac> gnomefreak: its not a real alpha ... most close is alpha 4 iirc
[12:59] <gnomefreak> shirish: yes
[12:59] <gnomefreak> asac: ah ok
[12:59] <shirish> gnomefreak: that is a big deal then woops
[12:59] <hjmf> (gdb) call nsXPConnect::DebugDumpJSStack
[12:59] <hjmf> $1 = (nsresult ( nsXPConnect::&)) nsXPConnect::nsSupportsWeakReference + 16 bytes
[12:59] <gnomefreak>  we double team fx3 :)
[12:59] <hjmf> but not sure at all what that means
[12:59] <hjmf> :)
[01:00] <asac> hjmf: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5893
[01:00] <asac> so the symbol should exist ... but it does nothing for non-debug builds :(
[01:00] <shirish> hjmf: its downloaded, just didnt know it was just debugging libraries that were being downloaded, neat
[01:00] <asac> so i guess we cannot get a JSStack dump without reproducing this
[01:01] <gnomefreak> asac: next time you speak with upstream can you kick them hard for me for not having tb2 done :( j/k
[01:01] <asac> gnomefreak: hehe :)
[01:01] <hjmf> shirish: now run
[01:01] <asac> gnomefreak: i think they already slaughter themselves about that ... so need for us to do that :)
[01:01] <gnomefreak> true
[01:02] <gnomefreak> i was hoping to keep ff and tb upgraded the same
[01:02] <hjmf> gdb -nx /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -c CoreDump 2>&1 | tee gdb.log
[01:02] <shirish>  gdb -nx /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -core CoreDump 2>&1 | tee gdb.log
[01:02] <shirish> GNU gdb 6.6-debian
[01:02] <shirish> Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[01:02] <shirish> GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
[01:02] <shirish> welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
[01:02] <shirish> Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
[01:02] <shirish> There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
[01:02] <shirish> This GDB was configured as "i486-linux-gnu"...
[01:02] <shirish> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1".
[01:02] <shirish> /home/shirish/CoreDump: No such file or directory.
[01:02] <shirish> (gdb)
[01:02] <shirish> sorry for that
[01:02] <asac> 13:02 < shirish> /home/shirish/CoreDump: No such file or directory.
[01:02] <asac> -> thats the problem :)
[01:03] <hjmf> in the directory were is the coredump or provide a path
[01:03] <hjmf> to it ;)
[01:03] <gnomefreak> did you unpack the bin log?
[01:03] <shirish> gnomefreak: are u asking me?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:03] <asac> @schedule berlin
[01:03] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 05 Apr 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Apr 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Apr 22:00: MOTU | 12 Apr 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Apr 22:00: Forum Council
[01:03] <shirish> how do I know if I unpacked the bin log or not?
[01:04] <shirish> also guys how do I get out of the gdb prompt, exit does not work
[01:04] <gnomefreak> hjmf: did he unpack the crash report?
[01:04] <hjmf> shirish: apport-unpack /path/to/crashreport /tmp/unpack
[01:04] <gnomefreak> shirish: quit
[01:04] <hjmf> cd /tmp/unpack
[01:05] <hjmf> :)
[01:06] <gnomefreak> yay my show is on tonight :)
[01:07] <hjmf> your show?
[01:07] <gnomefreak> "are you smarter than a 5th grader"
[01:07] <gnomefreak> brb coffee + smoke
[01:07] <hjmf> not known here
[01:08] <hjmf> shirish: at what point are you?
[01:30] <shirish> sorry guys lights had gone out
[01:31] <shirish> hjmf: u there?
[01:31] <shirish> gnomefreak: u there?
[01:31] <hjmf> yes
[01:31] <hjmf> :)
[01:31] <gnomefreak> yep
[01:32] <hjmf> shirish: follow the script in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs?highlight=%28CategoryMozillaTeam%29#head-523978f1f3009b1b57ef020d5e3ff8674e737f41
[01:33] <shirish> hi hj just went to /tmp/unpack & doing the gdb -nx /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -core CoreDump 2>&1 | tee gdb.log now
[01:33] <hjmf> once you are in gdb
[01:33] <hjmf> ok
[01:33] <hjmf> then type
[01:33] <hjmf> backtrace full
[01:34] <shirish> did the gdb -nx /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -core CoreDump 2>&1 | tee gdb.log
[01:34] <hjmf> thread apply all backtrace
[01:34] <shirish> I am in /tmp/unpack
[01:34] <hjmf> ok
[01:34] <shirish> wait
[01:34] <hjmf> you are at gdb prompt
[01:34] <shirish> yup
[01:34] <hjmf> type
[01:34] <hjmf> backtrace full
[01:34] <hjmf> and
[01:34] <shirish> hjmf: listen
[01:34] <hjmf> thread apply all backtrace
[01:35] <shirish> I have something here, can u listen
[01:35] <shirish> it shows Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
[01:35] <shirish> #0  0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
[01:35] <hjmf> that's ok
[01:35] <shirish> ok col
[01:35] <hjmf> typing backtrace full
[01:35] <hjmf> you'll see a dump of code
[01:36] <shirish> backtrace full should be before or after thread apply all backtrace?
[01:37] <hjmf> better before , but don't mind
[01:37] <hjmf> we'll strip later
[01:37] <shirish> ok now it should be thread apply all backtrace right?
[01:37] <hjmf> yes
[01:38] <shirish> ok done
[01:38] <hjmf> that's all, type quit
[01:38] <shirish> done
[01:38] <hjmf> and upload the gdb.log file to your bug thread :)
[01:38] <hjmf> thank you :)
[01:39] <shirish> ok will do
[01:39] <shirish> just to reiterate the steps one more time
[01:39] <hjmf> I'll review the log and I'll tell you if there is something missing
[01:39] <shirish> first unpack the .crash to /tmp/unpack or any othe dire
[01:39] <shirish> ok cool
[01:40] <shirish> will have to wait for few moments, ill get back to u shortly
[01:40] <hjmf> k
[01:41] <gnomefreak> hjmf: i think we need to simplfiy the instructions on that wiki about using dump for gdb
[01:41] <shirish> gnomefreak: yup the more simple the instructions are, the more people will use them
[01:42] <gnomefreak> last time i looked at it it was a bit hard to follow for new users
[01:42] <hjmf> I think we can add  -x 'gdb command1' -x 'gdb command2' to the script
[01:42] <hjmf> so it will be copy and paste
[01:42] <gnomefreak> i havent seen it since it was first written
[01:42] <hjmf> by me?
[01:42] <hjmf> or before
[01:42] <hjmf> ?
[01:43] <asac> gnomefreak: you already have an apr 5 trunk build :-P ... so i can try upgrade again?
[01:43] <gnomefreak> thats what im looking for is a simple copy and paste so the user doesnt have to think.
[01:43] <gnomefreak> asac: of course i do :(
[01:44] <gnomefreak> maybe go with the 6th build?
[01:44] <gnomefreak> its pretty much the best part of a day to build and upload(including source)
[01:44] <hjmf> I'll test a cp&paste script here and later I'll upload to the wiki (after lunch)
[01:44] <shirish> uploaded it now to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/102654
[01:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 102654 in firefox "firefox crashed " [Undecided,Needs info]
[01:44] <gnomefreak> once we get people using it than every build maybe more usful?
[01:45] <asac> gnomefreak: i was just joking ... i think once a week is more than enough
[01:45] <asac> i just thought you would get more used to the procedure ;)
[01:45] <gnomefreak> asac: thank you ;)
[01:45] <hjmf> shirish: I'll look at it
[01:45] <gnomefreak> once iceape is uploading its not too big a deal
[01:45] <asac> gnomefreak: actually i wanted to try if repo is fine ... e.g. if auto upgrade works
[01:45] <shirish> hjmf:  ok cool, be waiting for your input
[01:46] <gnomefreak> asac: if you upgrade it for the 6th than i will get on it
[01:46] <shirish> gnomefreak: I do have some suggestions as a rank newbie
[01:46] <asac> me ... upgrade? you just need to change changelog :)
[01:46] <shirish> gnomefreak: if you are interested for changing that wiki page
[01:46] <gnomefreak> asac: anytime after iceape is done uploading i dont mind it
[01:46] <asac> sure :)
[01:46] <gnomefreak> asac: you have to put it in bzr no?
[01:47] <gnomefreak> shirish: not yet im kind of tied up as you can see ;)
[01:47] <hjmf> shirish: every thing looks fine
[01:47] <asac> gnomefreak: ... only if any real things change
[01:47] <shirish> ok, cool :P
[01:48] <hjmf> shirish: sad to say that the cash seems to be caused by /home/shirish/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[01:48] <gnomefreak> asac: sounds good
[01:48] <hjmf> which is a third party closed source addon
[01:48] <asac> shirish: use ubuntu package ... don't install flashplayer by hand
[01:48] <shirish> hjmf: know that
[01:48] <gnomefreak> little trival things are useless to build every day
[01:48] <hjmf> shirish: follow asac's hint
[01:48] <hjmf> :)
[01:48] <shirish> there is a ubuntu package or u mean swfdec package?
[01:49] <gnomefreak> asac: is there a way to diable that in firefox?
[01:49] <gnomefreak> or is that hardcoded
[01:49] <asac> gnomefreak: disable what?
[01:49] <hjmf> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[01:49] <hjmf> shirish: ^^
[01:49] <gnomefreak> asac: visit a site needing flash it askd to install it
[01:49] <hjmf> see you later
[01:49] <asac> gnomefreak: yes right. currently its not that easy
[01:50] <gnomefreak> asac: that is flash upstream (we cant do crap with it but either way i guess it doesnt matter can really do much with flashplugin-nonfree either
[01:50] <asac> my idea is to build a "distributor" extension, that allows add package management to extension dialog
[01:50] <shirish> gnomefreak: yup that is what I did, later came to know that there is a swfdec open-source package also
[01:50] <asac> gnomefreak: and takes care that you get proper hints if there are ubuntu packages available
[01:50] <asac> but i have to write spec for that and get assignment
[01:50] <gnomefreak> asac: thats a good idea
[01:51] <gnomefreak> feisty+1 as a goal? or feisty+2?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> i have a feeling that is gonna be a long week (making that)
[01:52] <asac> depends :) on what happens in sevilla ... i hope to get at least an initial version of "distributor" extension for feisty+1
[01:52] <shirish> gnomefreak: could it be made so that http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/ is part of the mozilla package?
[01:53] <gnomefreak> sevilla?
[01:53] <asac> gnomefreak: yes ... beginning of march we have UDS
[01:53] <asac> may
[01:53] <asac> :)
[01:53] <gnomefreak> ill look but asac would have to make final ack on that
[01:53] <gnomefreak> wher eis it?
[01:53] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla
[01:53] <gnomefreak> paris?
[01:54] <gnomefreak> why dont they ever come close to me :(
[01:54] <asac> gnomefreak: hey ... in Sevilla :)
[01:54] <asac> where are you?
[01:54] <asac> next time it will be bosten/cambridge
[01:54] <asac> boston
[01:54] <gnomefreak> north carolina US
[01:54] <asac> that should be close :)
[01:54] <gnomefreak> thats getting closer
[01:54] <gnomefreak> still a 18+ hour drive
[01:55] <asac> 1000 miles?
[01:55] <gnomefreak> give or take
[01:56] <asac> hjmf: you are not member of QA team?
[01:56] <gnomefreak> shirish: i wish there was more info on it but i think that isnt a bad idea. asac what do you think about http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/ in ubuntu
[01:56] <asac> gnomefreak: we have that ... haven't we?
[01:57] <gnomefreak> thought he was
[01:57] <gnomefreak> asac: you ask me like i would know :(
[01:57] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:57] <asac> asac@hector:~/ubuntu/firefox_pkg/firefox-2.x/debian$ apt-cache search swfdec
[01:57] <asac> gstreamer0.8-swfdec - SWF (Macromedia Flash) decoder plugin for GStreamer
[01:57] <asac> libswfdec0.3 - SWF (Macromedia Flash) decoder library
[01:57] <asac> libswfdec0.3-dev - SWF (Macromedia Flash) decoder library
[01:57] <asac> swf-player - Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Flash)
[01:57] <gnomefreak> shirish: we have it already
[01:58] <asac> swfdec developer will be in sevilla ... coincidentially he is from hamburg/germany (my hometown)
[01:58] <gnomefreak> i knew we had swf-player
[01:58] <gnomefreak> wasnt sure abou tthe decoder
[01:58] <asac> so whats the different between swfdec and gnash?
[01:58] <gnomefreak> cool
[01:58] <shirish> gnomefreak:  if we do have that then why is not that in main or something, that will remove lot of crashes which we cannot do about anything
[01:59] <gnomefreak> gnash works like crap?
[01:59] <asac> actually i use gnash :)
[01:59] <asac> works more or less well
[01:59] <gnomefreak> shirish: because flash stuff cant be added to main
[01:59] <asac> often its borked
[01:59] <gnomefreak> shirish: its nonfree
[01:59] <asac> but as i have no choice (amd64) ... its better than nothing
[01:59] <shirish> gnomefreak: I meant the swfdec library or gnash that could be in main
[01:59] <asac> shirish: e.g. we cannot build it on our own for amd64 for instance
[01:59] <gnomefreak> true
[01:59] <asac> shirish: both are
[02:00] <shirish> gnomefreak: or you mean its a non-free format?
[02:00] <gnomefreak> shirish: yes its restricted
[02:00] <gnomefreak> gnash is open i believe
[02:00] <shirish> gnomefreak: I believe both swfdec as well as gnash are open
[02:01] <shirish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swfdec
[02:01] <asac> shirish: we have both
[02:01] <asac> so whats the point?
[02:02] <shirish> asac: then it should somehow be hinted to the user that do not use flash-plugin non-free but instead use either gnash or swfdec
[02:02] <gnomefreak> asac: he wants them in main
[02:02] <asac> ah ok ... let me see
[02:02] <gnomefreak> doesnt that fit into the easy codec installation?
[02:02] <shirish> of if even not in main but then a pointer should be given to the user otherwise he is going to install the non-free plugin
[02:03] <shirish> yup it should
[02:03] <asac> i think the point is that both are not yet stable enough
[02:03] <asac> hopefully in feisty+1 we can move one of them to main
[02:03] <asac> gnomefreak: you should use it :) ... all users/testers help a lot
[02:04] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont know how to use the easy-codec install
[02:04] <shirish> gnomefreak: asac: now a question, is there a way I can remove the flash plugin without breaking my FF?
[02:04] <gnomefreak> ;)
[02:04] <asac> shirish: yes
[02:04] <asac> just remove things from .mozilla/plugins
[02:04] <asac> all files that have flash in their name
[02:04] <gnomefreak> shirish: sure but it wont play flash
[02:04] <asac> after that install gnash
[02:04] <asac> :)
[02:05] <gnomefreak> flashplayer.so is the important one iirc
[02:05] <asac> ther ist libflashplayer.so and flashplayer.xpt afaik .
[02:05] <asac> both need to be removed
[02:05] <shirish>  removed
[02:05] <shirish> anybody knows what .DS_Store is about?
[02:06] <asac> i saw that ... but can't tell
[02:06] <asac> shirish: can you try both: gnash and swf-player
[02:06] <asac> and tell me what works better :)
[02:07] <shirish> asac: ok will do, install one for some days then install the second for some days or there is way to use both?
[02:08] <asac> not that i know
[02:08] <gnomefreak> i would do the former. use 1 for a week use 2nd for a week
[02:08] <gnomefreak> unless you do alot of flash that maybe 3 days
[02:09] <shirish> gnomefreak:  nope just sometimes, if it breaks good, atleast i can give a good gdb.log now ;)
[02:09] <shirish> correction, call that usable gdb.log now
[02:09] <asac> hmm swf-player is not properly detected by ffox2
[02:10] <gnomefreak> usable == good in some cases
[02:10] <gnomefreak> asac: its stand aloe
[02:10] <gnomefreak> alone isnt it?
[02:10] <gnomefreak> right click file and play in it after you download it
[02:10] <asac> no there is a plugin as well
[02:11] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:11] <asac> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libswfdecmozilla.so
[02:11] <asac> its not installed in right place
[02:11] <asac> probably its really outdated in universe
[02:11] <gnomefreak> swf-player - Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Flash)
[02:11] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm thought it was stand-alone
[02:12] <asac> also its build against xulrunner ... which might caus problems as xulrunner ist still old mozilla branch
[02:12] <gnomefreak> 0.3.6-2.1
[02:12] <asac> so for feisty I guess only gnash is an alternative
[02:12] <gnomefreak> they should have caught that early in feisty
[02:12] <asac> yeah ... probably we should have caught that
[02:13] <shirish> drats, which means I would have to uninstall it all over again, no issues , asac would u file that bug, I would subscribe to it
[02:13] <gnomefreak> asac: we werent around iirc
[02:13] <asac> gnomefreak: right
[02:13] <gnomefreak> asac: but ian gave up on mozilla afaik early in release
[02:13] <asac> shirish: can you file a bug ... after you verified that swf-player really doesn't work?
[02:14] <shirish> ok will do that :)
[02:14] <asac> shirish: great :) ... subscribe me and i will take care that we at least get some decision
[02:14] <asac> but first verify that it doesn't work for you as well :)
[02:15] <shirish> would do that, btw your name on launchpad is also asac?
[02:17] <shirish> lol guys do u know there is a package called  Accepted toilet 0.1-2 in ubuntu-installer
[02:17] <asac> shirish: yes asac
[02:18] <asac> rofl
[02:18] <shirish> ok cool, so now I know where to find you :)
[02:18] <asac> shirish: cu around :)
[02:18] <asac> now that you know how to retrace ... :)
[02:18] <shirish> oops the name of the package itself is toilet, its just accept
[02:19] <asac> ... Ubuntu 7.04 frozen for release candidate preparation
[02:19] <asac> good
[02:19] <asac> lets go to holiday then :)
[02:19] <shirish> asac: true, but will have to build that chroot environment in-case my crash files are big
[02:20] <shirish> and the pakage is something like openoffice.org whose debug version would be a big big one
[02:20] <shirish> thankfully no big crash logs till now, except for firefox
[02:20] <asac> yes ... retracing locally is most recommended. But most users just can't so we do it for them :)
[02:21] <gnomefreak> oops
[02:21] <gnomefreak> eh ill get to them today or tomorrow
[02:22] <shirish> gnomefreak: if you will be editing the wiki see if you can edit stuff in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot for feisty users also
[02:26] <gnomefreak> the chroot wiki is fine. i have 5 set up
[02:27] <shirish> ok cool, are u known as gnomefreak on launchpad also?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> when i set up my feisty chroot it spit out errors but works fine
[02:27] <gnomefreak> shirish: yep
[02:27] <gnomefreak> all too well :(
[02:28] <shirish> gnomefreak: I am known in a similar way, slave to gnome although have been getting attracted to xfce also
[02:28] <gnomefreak> https://beta.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak
[02:28] <shirish> time to file a bug
[02:28] <gnomefreak> if your not using beta LP than take beta out of it
[02:29] <gnomefreak> font small hackergotchi huge :(
[02:30] <shirish> cool
[02:30] <shirish> now why did ur karma drop by 1k?
[02:31] <shirish> I am known as https://launchpad.net/~shirishag75
[02:31] <hjmf> asac: wrote <hjmf: you are not member of QA team?>
[02:31] <hjmf> no I'm not, why?
[02:31] <shirish> the baltix thing is a misnomer
[02:32] <asac> hjmf: maybe you should :)
[02:32] <asac> for instance you could tweak importance
[02:32] <hjmf> what are the requisites? if any
[02:32] <hjmf> looking
[02:32] <asac> no its not
[02:32] <asac> you just tell me
[02:32] <asac> i make it happen :)
[02:34] <shirish> asac: you are right, swf-player does not function omw to file a bug about it
[02:34] <asac> shirish: maybe there is a bug about it already
[02:34] <asac> just CC me on whatever you find/post :)
[02:34] <shirish> sure, will do
[02:34] <hjmf> asac: applied to QA
[02:35] <gnomefreak> karma dropped because i havent done anything on Lp in a few days4-7 days i think. ive been getting things ready for repo
[02:35] <asac> hjmf: good ... will take care
[02:35] <hjmf> asac: thanks
[02:38] <gnomefreak> hjmf: you might want to ping bdmurray if you dont here from him in a few hours about your QA (maybe a day)
[02:38] <gnomefreak> ill be back im going to cook and eat breakfast
[02:38] <hjmf> k
[02:42] <asac> gnomefreak: i pinged him
[02:45] <asac> gnomefreak: repo gives you super-karma ... which unfortunately is not tracked in lp
[02:45] <shirish> asac: you are now a proud subscriber to bug 103301 ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/swfdec0.3/+bug/103301
[02:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 103301 in swfdec0.3 "swf-player does not show flash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103301
[02:45] <asac> shirish: thanks
[02:47] <shirish> gnomefreak: are u able to track the bugs you are interested in, in the beta launchpad?
[02:49] <shirish> asac: after you have seen the bug tell me if something is missing or I covered it all
[02:49] <shirish> in 5 minutes, would be going to take a quick shower, it is summer here
[02:51] <hjmf> I've modify the wiki stuff about gdb. This must be easy as is just copy&paste
[02:51] <hjmf> TMPDIR=$(mktemp -d)
[02:51] <hjmf> apport-unpack _usr_lib_firefox_firefox-bin.1000.crash $TMPDIR
[02:51] <hjmf> gdb -nx /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -core $TMPDIR/CoreDump -ex 'backtrace full'  -ex 'thread apply all backtrace full' -ex 'quit' 2>&1 | tee gdb.log
[02:51] <hjmf> rm -fr $TMPDIR
[02:51] <hjmf> the user only needs to upload the gdb.log to launchpad
[02:52] <asac> looks good
[02:52] <asac> -dbg package installation as easy?
[02:53] <hjmf> yes that is already as a cp and paste too
[02:53] <asac> good
[02:53] <asac> next idea:
[02:53] <asac> how do we point users to those instructions?
[02:53] <asac> e.g. what text do we use?
[02:53] <hjmf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs
[02:53] <hjmf> ..section Obtain a backtrace from an apport crash report (using gdb)
[02:54] <hjmf> I still have to edit the responses wiki though
[02:57] <shirish> guys how do I get access to the beta site of launchpad?
[02:59] <shirish> ok applied for it, ok guys going for a fresh shower, it has been nice knowing you all :)
[03:02] <hjmf> wrote the responses wiki
[03:02] <hjmf> at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses#head-8405d4794c0643fabf667f91a3fcd14baa76ca7c
[03:02] <hjmf> tell me if that is enough clear
[03:03] <hjmf> (notice that I don't use sudo at all, so maybe will have to add to the apt-get entries
[03:03] <hjmf> :)
[03:06] <hjmf> afk
[03:31] <gnomefreak> well hopfully in an hour repo will be ready to use for time being. still cant use my Release.gpg or it gives that error about Release file
[03:39] <shirish> anybody there?
[03:39] <asac> here?
[03:39] <asac> not really ;)
[03:39] <shirish> hi asac, good u are here
[03:40] <shirish> ok where is my FF config file stored?
[03:42] <asac> in your profile directory
[03:44] <shirish> got it thnx
[03:45] <gnomefreak> someone answered him in another channel prior to you answering him
[03:48] <shirish> asac: do u have a moment?
[03:49] <asac> not much time atm
[03:49] <asac> you can ask
[03:49] <asac> i will answer when idle :)
[03:50] <shirish> I lost some libraries from /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[03:51] <gnomefreak> asac: ill ping you when everything is ready to test with repo. iceape and fx3 are in iceape.tar is uploading now
[03:51] <shirish> mainly libxul0d, libmoz0d, libnss3-0d, libnspr4-od, libxul-common
[03:51] <shirish> anybody knows how I can recover those libraries?
[03:52] <gnomefreak> install them :) restart firefox?
[03:52] <shirish> doing any apt-get remove firefox removes lot of stuff including ubuntu-desktop
[03:52] <shirish> gnomefreak: how do I install the libraries?
[03:52] <gnomefreak> shirish: never remove firefox
[03:52] <asac> shirish: uninstall all ... install again
[03:52] <asac> e.g. all packages that contain those files you removed
[03:52] <gnomefreak> it breaks alot of things
[03:53] <asac> shirish: try apt-get install --reinstall firefox
[03:53] <shirish> gnomefreak: asac: I have not removed firefox, just asking how I can re-install the libraries
[03:53] <asac> and so on
[03:53] <asac> use library package name instead
[03:53] <gnomefreak> shirish: sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox :)
[03:54] <shirish> getting an error
[03:54] <gnomefreak> but you might need to grab libs seperatly
[03:54] <shirish> E: Command line option 'r' [from -reinstall]  is not known.
[03:54] <shirish> how do I grab the libs seperately?
[03:54] <gnomefreak> shirish: i didnt use -r
[03:55] <asac> use --reinstall not -reinstall
[03:55] <shirish> checked
[03:56] <gnomefreak> sudo apt-get install libxul0d and so on
[03:56] <shirish> nope that did not do anything
[03:57] <shirish> thanx gnomefreak
[03:57] <gnomefreak> yw
[04:01] <shirish> gnomefreak: although the plugins are installed but those plugins are not installed in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[04:01] <shirish> gnomefreak: I meant the libraries are installed but they are not installed in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[04:02] <gnomefreak> shirish: reinstall them. they should automaticly symlink to plugins (as far as i remember atleast)
[04:02] <shirish> gnomefreak: asac: can u guys check please if libxul0d is installed in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[04:03] <gnomefreak> brb calling doc.
[04:03] <asac> certainly not in plugins
[04:03] <asac> should be in /usr/lib/
[04:05] <shirish> asac: ok there they are
[04:05] <shirish> asac: have u been able to see in youtube using gnash?
[04:06] <shirish> for I get the same bug which I reported with swf-player, it says either javascript is off or using an old flash-player :(
[04:07] <shirish> any way to know if my javascript is turned off by any chance, missing library or something?
[04:08] <asac> probably not
[04:08] <asac> some in youtubte might work
[04:08] <asac> most will not
[04:10] <asac> i am gone till meeting
[04:10] <asac> @schedule
[04:10] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 05 Apr 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 20:00: Technical Board | 11 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu | 12 Apr 20:00: MOTU | 12 Apr 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Apr 20:00: Forum Council
[04:10] <asac> @schedule berlin
[04:10] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 05 Apr 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Apr 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Apr 22:00: MOTU | 12 Apr 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Apr 22:00: Forum Council
[04:10] <asac> @now berlin
[04:10] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Berlin: April 05 2007, 16:10:25 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 1 hour 49 minutes
[04:10] <shirish> yup youtube does not work, although we do have the latest gnash, now I wait for somebody to do something about swf-player
[04:10] <shirish> @now india
[04:14] <shirish> @now Calcutta
[04:14] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: April 05 2007, 19:44:22 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 1 hour 45 minutes
[04:36] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[04:36] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 05 Apr 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 16:00: Technical Board | 11 Apr 16:00: Edubuntu | 12 Apr 16:00: MOTU | 12 Apr 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Apr 16:00: Forum Council
[04:36] <gnomefreak> asac: devel meeting in 1 1/2 hours
[04:36] <gnomefreak> give or take
[04:44] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[04:48] <asac> yes, i will attend :)
[04:52] <gnomefreak> does the release file go in /feisty/ or in /mozilla-testing/
[04:53] <gnomefreak> theres an issue im trying to work out but it may just be domain is down
[04:53] <gnomefreak> Err http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com feisty/main iceape-calendar 1.1.1-3.mt0 404 Not Found
[04:53] <gnomefreak> Failed to fetch http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing/binary-i386//iceape-calendar_1.1.1-3.mt0_i386.deb  404 Not Found
[04:53] <gnomefreak> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[04:54] <gnomefreak> its there
[04:56] <gnomefreak> isnt the meeting in 1 hour?
[04:57] <asac> hmm
[04:57] <asac> let me try
[04:58] <asac> gnomefreak: you have to gen from within feisty dir
[04:58] <asac> not from within main
[04:58] <asac> apt-cache show iceape-calendar shows
[04:58] <asac> Filename: binary-i386//iceape-calendar_1.1.1-3.mt0_i386.deb
[04:58] <asac> which should be
[04:59] <asac> main/binary-i386//iceape-calendar_1.1.1-3.mt0_i386.deb
[04:59] <asac> hjmf: you are in QA
[04:59] <hjmf> oh thanks :)
[04:59] <asac> yw
[05:00] <hjmf> so I can decide bug importance now .... hmm :)
[05:01] <asac> yeah ... no excuse to keep crashers undecided
[05:01] <asac> they are high for now
[05:01] <asac> as we lack proper categorization policy for now
[05:01] <hjmf> all crashes = high --- OK
[05:01] <asac> however i think that plugin crashers that are due to nonfree will become low
[05:01] <asac> yes for now
[05:02] <hjmf> k
[05:03] <hjmf> lets do some evening triaging
[05:04] <gnomefreak> asac: how do i change that? the repo itself(way its named in sources.list)
[05:05] <asac> meeting started :)
[05:05] <gnomefreak> maybe put Release file in a different dir. instead of /mozilla-testing/dist/feisty/ ?
[05:05] <gnomefreak> i see
[05:05] <asac> you run dpkg-scan* from within feisty
[05:05] <asac> not from within feisty/main
[05:05] <gnomefreak> ok
[05:05] <gnomefreak> will do ill let you know
[05:09] <gnomefreak> and run cat header >> Release; apt-ftparchive release . >> Release in mozilla/dists/feisty and leave it there?
[05:18] <asac> i think so yes
[05:18] <asac> like where you did it before
[05:18] <gnomefreak> doesnt help it
[05:18] <asac> Release.gog was right afaik
[05:18] <asac> gpg
[05:18] <gnomefreak> asac: it was causing failure
[05:18] <gnomefreak> so i left it out
[05:18] <asac> important is to regen Packages.gz and Release.gz
[05:18] <asac> aeh
[05:18] <asac> Sources.gz
[05:18] <asac> i mean
[05:18] <gnomefreak> done
[05:20] <gnomefreak> with Release.gpg you get Failed to fetch http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing/dists/feisty/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[05:20] <gnomefreak> Reading package lists... Done
[05:20] <gnomefreak> without it you get the other error
[05:21] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386  i dont understand why it wants // after i-386
[05:22] <gnomefreak> finish the meeting ill be around when your done if you have time
[05:28] <asac> bug 58503
[05:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 58503 in usplash "No response to keyboard input at prompt after ejecting CD-ROM" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58503
[05:33] <gnomefreak> problem is the way the Packages.gz is being made its listing them as Filename: main/binary-i386//firefox-trunk-dbg_2.99+2cvs20070404-0ubuntu0_i386.deb (notice the 2//) not real sure how to change that other than changing it by hand and rezipping it and moving back (i might try this just to see if it works)
[05:39] <asac> the two // don't hurt
[05:39] <asac> but you can prevent it by not passing trailing / on dpkg-scan*
[05:46] <gnomefreak> it doesnt fix it
[05:46] <gnomefreak> if the domain was down i couldnt ssh into it
[05:54] <gnomefreak> asac: ok im updating my feisty atm im gonna go for a while if you think of anything please let me know.  heres the link so you can browse around looking at things if you want. http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing/  my head has been hurting for >= 1week and doc cant get me in till monday so these breaks are a bit helpful for me lately, just ping me if you have somehting ill answer when im back
[05:55] <asac> take your time
[05:55] <asac> we can sort this out through easter day
[06:09] <asac> ok
[06:09] <asac> back for a while
[06:09] <asac> will go to holidays soon
[06:09] <asac> will be hear in the european evening throughout weekend
[06:10] <asac> s/hear/here/
[06:10] <asac> gnomefreak: http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing/dists/feisty/Release
[06:10] <asac> 1st: contains the Release file from top-level itself (wrong)
[06:11] <asac> packages.gz and sources.gz look good
[06:11] <asac> i guess you only have to fix top-level Release file
[06:11] <asac> then sign
[06:11] <asac> done
[06:12] <asac> apt-get update worked well
[06:12] <asac> so i guess just signing release file should do the trick
[06:14] <gnomefreak> regen Release and put it in mozilla-testing right?
[06:14] <gnomefreak> and sign it
[06:14] <gnomefreak> still wont fix the problem though
[06:15] <gnomefreak> ok nap time ill try it again when i get up.
[06:15] <asac> which problem?
[06:15] <gnomefreak> the 404 error and if i sign it you will get the error we got yesterday
[06:16] <gnomefreak> also failed to fetch
[06:17] <gnomefreak> signing Release and uploading Release.gpg was causing the errors yesterday on apt-get update. generating the release in toplevel you will get same error as you do now when you go to install an app.
[06:18] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe try to gen from mozilla-testing dir
[06:18] <asac> e.g. packages.gz
[06:18] <asac> and sources.gz
[06:18] <asac> so you get full path: dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/....deb
[06:18] <asac> on apt-cache show firefox-trunk
[06:18] <gnomefreak> ok ill try it and re do the release(.*) and let you know if your around later today
[06:18] <asac> no i get main/binary-i386/....deb
[06:19] <asac> and i fail like
[06:19] <asac> http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing/main/binary-i386//firefox-trunk_2.99+2cvs20070404-0ubuntu0_i386.deb
[06:19] <gnomefreak>  main/binary-i386/firefox-trunk_2.99+2cvs20070404-0ubuntu0_i386.deb
[06:19] <asac> so we miss dists/feisty
[06:19] <asac> in there
[06:19] <asac> so regen packages when being in mozilla-testing
[06:19] <asac> same for sources
[06:19] <gnomefreak> ok so gen the Sources.gz and Packages.gz from toplevel dir.
[06:20] <asac> yes
[06:20] <asac> give it a try
[06:20] <gnomefreak> ok will do later adn we will see
[08:07] <AlexLatchford> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/advanced-stylesheet/
[08:07] <AlexLatchford> For anyone thats interested
[09:38] <gnomefreak> god i hope this works
[09:45] <gnomefreak> asac: its fixed for time being im about to try and break it again ;)
[09:46] <gnomefreak> YAY repo is working :)
[10:56] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah downloads
[10:56] <asac> good work
[10:57] <gnomefreak> ty :)
[10:57] <gnomefreak> now i just have to figure out what to do with gnomefreak.asc before i write up the testing memo
[10:57] <asac> gnomefreak: now automatize ;)
[10:57] <gnomefreak> omg
[10:57] <gnomefreak> that sounds hard
[10:57] <gnomefreak> ;)
[10:58] <asac> i pasted a good link yesterday
[10:58] <asac> try to find it :)
[10:58] <gnomefreak> try to find something you pasted? on what domain?
[10:58] <gnomefreak> ;)
[10:58] <asac> search for apt-key
[10:58] <asac> hand gpg in history
[10:58] <asac> of this channel :)
[10:59] <gnomefreak> ok ill look after dinner i have logs i can grep through
[10:59] <gnomefreak> bbs going to eat :)
[10:59] <asac> cool i have logs
[10:59] <asac> irclogs/ubuntu-mozilla-2007-04-04:19:45 < asac> gpg --armor --export 4F368D5D | sudo apt-key add -
[10:59] <asac> irclogs/ubuntu-mozilla-2007-04-04:19:47 < asac> gpg --armor --export 3C1C3C2A  |  apt-key add -
[10:59] <asac> irclogs/ubuntu-mozilla-2007-04-04:19:59 < gnomefreak> gpg --armor --export 3C1C3C2A  |  apt-key add -  fails
[10:59] <asac> irclogs/ubuntu-mozilla-2007-04-04:20:00 < asac> you have to run apt-key as root
[10:59] <asac> irclogs/ubuntu-mozilla-2007-04-04:20:00 < asac> gpg --armor --export 3C1C3C2A  |  sudo apt-key add -
[10:59] <asac> irclogs/ubuntu-mozilla-2007-04-05:22:58 < asac> search for apt-key
[10:59] <asac> before that
[10:59] <asac> you have to use gpg --import gnomefreak.asc i guess
[10:59] <asac> e.g. just
[11:00] <asac> cat gnomefreak | gpg --import
[11:00] <gnomefreak> i already have the public key and the gnomefreak.asc
[11:00] <asac> gpg --armor --export <yourkeyid> | sudo apt-key add -
[11:00] <asac> i mean for you instructions
[11:00] <asac> you should try if that works
[11:00] <asac> ok i am away again ... my back hurts a bit
[11:01] <gnomefreak> k talk to you later
[11:33] <gnomefreak> oh wth
[11:34] <gnomefreak> ill deal with it tomorrow maybe. but i have everything and everything looks right
[12:17] <gnomefreak> asac: the tb2 source is a tar.gz or tar.bz2?


[08:38] <c10ud> hi, I have a service that's choking when the system wildly changes the datetime.. and this happens because my board has no rtc backup battery.. my goal is to just restart that service once the date has been set by ntpdate.. is there an easy way to do this? I'm trying to read upstart docs but nothing useful for me so far
[08:44] <c10ud> I thought maybe "start on ntpdate stop" but I think that's triggered by ifup.d not upstart?
[19:36] <raydeo> so I started a custom job and it looks like it got stuck in pre-start... so I eventually ctrl-c and stop hangs as well in the same way. status says "stop/starting". how do I recover from this?
[19:36] <raydeo> there don't appear to be any PIDs I can kill :-)
[20:09] <raydeo> is there not a way to tell upstart to just reset all of its state on a job?
[20:10] <ion> raydeo: Does or did the job use an “expect” stanza?
[20:11] <raydeo> no
[20:11] <raydeo> the job doesn't do anything, it just has pre-start and post-stop
[20:12] <raydeo> I've since changed the script, but upstart doesn't appear to care about my changes while it's in this "stop/starting" state
[20:13] <raydeo> ion: the other day I ran into the "expect" issue and had to run a script to create/kill the PID that upstart thought was there
[20:14] <raydeo> however this script has no expect/exec/script stanza for me to do that with
[20:14] <ion> Ok. I haven’t encountered that issue then.
[20:15] <raydeo> this really isn't a good time to reboot.. can't believe there isn't a way to bounce or force the state of a single job to get upstart back in line
[22:25] <styol> hey there. Is there a way to do custom commands such as "initctl reload [target]"?
[22:32] <xnox> styol: reload command simply sends a SIGHUP or other signal specified by "reload signal" stanza.
[22:33] <xnox> styol: if you want custom commands, you should create a new job, which specifies "task" and do anything you like between "script .... end script" as a bonus you can accept variables from events and command line.
[22:33] <xnox> styol: e.g. start dotask FORCE=yes
[22:34] <xnox> styol: there is no generic support for custom commands. What do you want to achieve with your custom command? =)
[22:34] <styol> xnox: oh! didn't realize that was a stanza.. your approach does make sense and should work. I appreciate it
[22:35] <styol> xnox: while thinking about it, I actually just realized that the start stanza will actually do the same task that i was looking to do a custom command for *facepalm*. It will start as well as reload the configuration file (if already running)
[22:37] <styol> xnox: since you seem awesome and are around, perhaps one more question ;) related but unrelated, after what run level does /etc/rc.local run? There is a NAS being mounted there and I think, but am not sure, that it is occurring after the upstart job which relies on the NAS being mounted. Guess that should be changed to an upstart job also that has the dependency thing. "start on start [init]" correct?
[22:37] <styol> *start on started
[22:40] <styol> I see /etc/rc2.d/S99local which is a symlink to /etc/rc.local -- though it also exists in rc3 - rc5 as well
[22:53] <xnox> styol: one should not use rc.local
[22:54] <xnox> styol: networked file-systems should be declared / handled by rcS level and/or upstart jobs - mountall. That way upon mounting NAS, filesystem event would be emitted for that mount point and other upstart jobs can start on remote-filesystems
[22:56] <xnox> styol: as a workaround you can do
[22:57] <xnox> styol: after NAS is done, that script should do $ initctl emit nas-is-up
[22:57] <xnox> styol: and then your upstart jobs can be "start on nas-is-up"
[22:59] <styol> xnox: yeah working with some legacy, but that sounds like the appropriate solution indeed. Is the `start on start [app]` notation just to depend on another upstart job being started while emit is for a specific event that you can `start on [event]`?
[23:00] <styol> doh, again -- `start on started [app]`
[23:01] <styol> oh and there isn't any native way to make an upstart job a CLI command, correct? Just need to create some sort of wrapper bash script or something that does `initctl $action app`?
[23:02] <xnox> styol: i don't understand what you mean. "started" is one of the  system events which are emitted by upstart itself for upstart jobs only.
[23:03] <xnox> styol: see $ man 7 upstart-events
[23:03] <xnox> on your system (or manpage on the web for the same version/release as your system)
[23:04] <xnox> styol: upstart jobs are declarative, and the actions that initctl can do are predetermined e.g. start, stop, restart, reload, status etc.... all of them are internal to upstart
[23:04] <xnox> styol: see job filecycle in $ man 8 init
[23:05] <xnox> styol: but jobs can can pre-start/post-start pre-stop/post-stop where you can run arbitrary shell scripts to e.g. bail starting a job, block on staring some other job, and do anything you like.
[23:06] <xnox> styol: see http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/ for best practices it explains a lot of things one can do, to achieve practically anything =)
[23:13] <styol> xnox: thank you so much, I will checkout the referenced manuals and cookbook. it is much appreciated.
[23:13] <styol> one thing is that it seems I'm rocking 0.6.5 by default on centos 6.3, though I'm guessing it can be upgraded
[23:14] <styol> noticed the discrepancy when I attempted to utilize `console log`
[23:17] <xnox> styol: yeah, use manpages provided with your distribution to check that things you want to use, are in-fact available.
[23:17] <xnox> styol: e.g. man 5 init
[23:18] <styol> roger.. just out of curiosity, what are the different numbers for?
[23:37] <styol> xnox: hrm, a.conf -> initctl emit prepared / b.conf -> start on prepared # doesn't appear to be running the b job (at least I'm not catching any output from pre-start, post-start, or script .. end script
[23:37] <styol> xnox: I am checking out the man pages and cookbook and it appears I'm doing right, but I suppose I'm not
[23:37] <xnox> styol: what do you mean catching any output?
[23:38] <xnox> styol: there is no output generated from "initctl emit" command.
[23:38] <styol> xnox: pre-start exec echo "pre-start" >> /var/log/upstart.log # as an example
[23:38] <xnox> styol: it b job already running?
[23:38] <styol> ah yeah that is fine, it seems though that the b job isn't reacting the emitted event from the a job
[23:39] <styol> i don't believe so, i moved `start on [2345]` to A and instead put `start on prepared` in B
[23:39] <styol> xnox: A has script /* stuff */ initctl emit prepared end script with carriage returns appropriately
[23:41] <xnox> styol: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7224070/
[23:41] <xnox> styol: i've had "upstart-monitor" running in the background, hence the interractive feedback as to what happened.
[23:41] <styol> ah that is pretty nice indeed, was wondering ;)
[23:41] <xnox> styol: if you have $ initctl log-level, you could adjust it to debug.
[23:42] <xnox> styol: and then in syslog / or somewhere else you should get more events printed.
[23:42] <styol> seems it has log-priority but not seeing log-level
[23:42] <xnox> styol: if however b is already running, (like at the end of above) further "$ start a" will not trigger b job at all.
[23:43] <xnox> styol: yeah, crank up log-priority debug
[23:43] <styol> yeah that makes sense indeed, shouldn't be as start on runlevel got replaced by start on prepared
[23:43] <styol> ah ok
[23:44] <styol> yeah hmm.. B isn't mentioned at all, lemme try a simplified version real quick
[23:49] <styol> xnox: interesting, with your example it is causing the original B script to start, but in my real A script its `script /* more */ initctl emit prepared end script`
[23:49] <styol> original = real
[23:56] <xnox> styol: note that upstart executes all scripts under "set -e" and "/bin/sh" (not bash, although it might be on your system)
[23:56] <xnox> styol: comment things out and start with minimal working sample and build up, until you spot mistake.
[23:57] <styol> xnox: ah good thing to know indeed. Yeah seems it may have been a PEBCAK
[23:57] <styol> for sure works right from the CLI, now to try a reboot


[07:44] <epyx> hey guys, what's your take on user privacy using Ubuntu Touch?
[07:44] <epyx> will everything be leaked to Canonical as with Android to Google or iOS to Apple? :P
[08:03] <iamnoob> hi guys i want to install ubuntu touch on my device but my device is not in the list of supported devices so would it be good if i install ubuntu touch over it?
[08:05] <dholbach> good morning
[10:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wright Brothers Day! :-D
[10:08] <ogra_> asac, ?
[10:13] <Mirv> sil2100: jibel: so, gallery-app is totally no-go. 1) it has invalid framework so can't be uploaded (ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev2), 2) dholbach found for me that the current version in the store is <IP_ADDRESS>1 which means they have already uploaded from the vivid trunk branch to the store (mine from rtm branch is <IP_ADDRESS>9)
[10:13] <Mirv> bfiller: ^
[10:14] <Mirv> apparently 1101 at least was not yet using anything not available in rtm, so the current version isn't broken
[10:15] <Mirv> I guess we would need another rtm branch branching from 1101, adding fixes on top of that and making sure no lp:gallery-app versions are uploaded to the store as long as we have only one store
[10:18] <Mirv> it looks like lp:gallery-app/rtm-14.09 would have a merge from trunk at when lp:gallery-app was at the rev 1111. so the new rtm package, if somehow for example version mangled and published, would bring revisions 1102-1111 + the new fixes.
[10:24] <sil2100> ....
[10:25] <sil2100> I explicitly talked with bfiller yesterday, and he said he's aware that we have only one store
[10:26] <sil2100> Love those complications
[10:26] <Mirv> bfiller: that has happened a month or two ago though
[10:26] <Mirv> sil2100: that is
[10:26] <sil2100> Mirv, dholbach: thanks!
[10:26] <sil2100> Let's wait for bfiller for that then, but I'm afraid this batch of fixes just won't make it then
[10:26] <sil2100> ;/
[10:27] <Mirv> sil2100: bfiller: jibel: I've pushed https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/gallery-app/rtm-14.09-new that is bit-for-bit identical with the rtm-14.09 branch, but with better revision numbering wrt to store (and more clear history). the only change is 1113 update of the framework, and I'll start a build of that branch but this starts to be a bit complicated for me to "just" upload the new thing to the store?
[10:28] <Mirv> technically there should be anything wrong with this, but I'd absolutely need some ack:s from you first to feel certain ;)
[10:28] <sil2100> Mirv: ok, so if you're sure that the contents (besides the framework change) are the same, I would give it a try
[10:29] <sil2100> Especially that gallery had so many critical fixes
[10:29] <sil2100> But I want jibel to comment as well...
[10:29] <Mirv> sil2100: could you double-check for me: bzr branch lp:~phablet-team/gallery-app/rtm-14.09-new , bzr branch lp:~phablet-team/gallery-app/rtm-14.09 , rm -rf rtm-14.09/.bzr rtm-14.09-new/.bzr , diff -urN rtm-14.09 rtm-14.09-new ?
[10:29] <sil2100> Mirv: sure ;)
[10:30]  * sil2100 trusts Mirv's checks always anyways
[10:31] <jibel> Mirv, I've no idea what the impact of the update of the framework is :) If you and sil2100 say it is fine, we can test the new build again.
[10:32] <sil2100> Mirv: all looks cool here as well \o/
[10:32] <Mirv> sil2100: thanks!
[10:33] <Mirv> jibel: I'm not really familiar with the frameworks either, but my understanding is that in this case the change doesn't change anything. lool just announced 6 days ago that everyone needs to switch from the older framework names to the non-dev one. https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg10750.html
[10:34] <Mirv> those were used during utopic development
[10:41] <sil2100> I also think this implies no change to the current application's operation
[10:45] <Mirv> sil2100: jibel:: new .click at http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gallery-app-click-from-branch/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.gallery_<IP_ADDRESS>3_armhf.click - does it need retesting or shall I just upload it?
[10:46] <sil2100> jibel: ^ ? Do you think it needs re-testing? Only the framework changed and I'm pretty sure this should change anything in the application, but I'm not an expert on this topic
[10:46] <sil2100> *shouldn't
[10:46] <jibel> sil2100, I'll do a quick test to make sure it's alright.
[10:46] <jibel> Mirv, ^
[10:47] <sil2100> Ok, thanks :)
[10:48] <Mirv> jibel: thanks!
[10:52] <jibel> Mirv, the gallery hangs when I open from the scope
[10:52] <jibel> s/hangs/crash
[10:53] <sil2100> uh?
[10:53] <sil2100> :O
[10:54] <sil2100> Due to a different framework?
[10:55] <iamnoob> hi guys i want to install ubuntu touch on my device but my device is not in the list of supported devices so would it be good if i install ubuntu touch over it?
[10:55] <iamnoob> hi guys i want to install ubuntu touch on my device but my device is not in the list of supported devices so would it be good if i install ubuntu touch over it?
[10:56] <Mirv> jibel: uh oh :( and you don't have any duplicate gallery-app .deb installed, just the .click updated?
[10:56] <jibel> Mirv, yes, just the click from jenkins, but it happened only once.
[10:57] <jibel> I'm trying to figure out what happened
[11:02] <jibel> Mirv, hm, crashed again but this time while switching photos
[11:22] <Mirv> jibel: code wise it is identical to what was previously tested. we'd need someone in the know with the frameworks if it's truly so that with the ubuntu-sdk-14.10 framework instead of -dev3 there are some problems (for example, coming from additional app containment restrictions or such)
[11:24] <jibel> Mirv, crashes are rather random. I'll try with 1101 again.
[11:46] <jibel> Mirv, it could be a QML cache issue
[11:46] <jibel> it is certainly it
[11:47] <jibel> Mirv, there are several apparmor denials for files in the cache
[11:49] <jibel> Mirv, confirmed, if I clear the QML cache, the app crashes
[11:49] <jibel> Trying with 1101 now
[11:49] <jibel> sil2100, ^^
[11:50] <sil2100> \o/
[11:50] <jibel> sil2100, it'd rather be /o\
[11:55] <jibel> Mirv, sil2100 cannot reproduce with 1101. So it's a no-go for 1139
[11:55] <sil2100> Ouch...
[11:56] <sil2100> I wonder what's up with that?
[11:56] <sil2100> Anyway, yeah, let's not risk it
[11:56] <jibel> Mirv, sil2100 test case is, remove the QML cache of the gallery app, take a photo, go to the photo scope, open the photo.
[11:56] <jibel> with 1139 gallery-app crashes
[11:58] <jibel> sil2100, with 1139 there are messages like: Dec 17 12:12:30 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [  387.562605]type=1400 audit(1418814750.945:114): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="com.ubuntu.gallery_gallery_<IP_ADDRESS>3" name="/home/phablet/.cache/QML/Apps/" pid=7581 comm="gallery-app" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=32011 ouid=32011
[11:58] <jibel> I didn't see any with 1101
[11:59] <sil2100> jibel: did you see the same thing in the original version from the silo?
[11:59] <Mirv> jibel: ok :( no idea, but we can't risk it indeed.
[12:00] <jibel> sil2100, no, I'm trying it now
[12:00] <jibel> I could have missed it, but it didn't crash
[12:05] <jibel> sil2100, Mirv works fine with 1049 from the silo
[12:06] <jibel> it's a regression introduced by the update of the framework
[12:06] <sil2100> Oh my
[12:07] <sil2100> Good thing you tested this before we uploaded it, phew
[12:07] <jibel> yeah, always expect the unexpected
[12:07] <Mirv> that's why he's called the QA and we are not :)
[12:07] <jibel> sil2100, no denial and no crash
[12:08] <Mirv> sil2100: where could we find out more about the framework differences between -dev3 and 14.10 final?
[12:08] <Mirv> also, the ban to upload -dev3 packages came only last Thursday like mentioned
[13:09] <nerochiaro> ondra: you around ?
[13:10] <nerochiaro> ondra: i am trying to buidl the android side of hybris based on your notes, but i got stuck. not sure where to download the sources
[13:42] <ondra> nerochiaro no android side you need to build on your host
[13:42] <ondra> nerochiaro for which device?
[13:42] <nerochiaro> ondra: krillin
[13:43] <ondra> nerochiaro you need to fetch krilling tree then
[13:43] <nerochiaro> ondra: how ?
[13:44] <ondra> nerochiaro git pull :P
[13:45] <ondra> nerochiaro do you have access to barajas gerrit?
[13:45] <nerochiaro> ondra: no
[13:45] <nerochiaro> ondra: i never touched anything in android, so pardon my ignorance
[13:45] <ondra> nerochiaro then you need to talk to john-mcaleely
[13:45] <ondra> nerochiaro he will have to grant you access first
[13:46] <john-mcaleely> nerochiaro, what's your launchpad id?
[13:46] <nerochiaro> john-mcaleely: uriboni
[13:50] <john-mcaleely> nerochiaro, thanks!
[14:48] <kenvandine> mandel, did you figure anything out with the fix-pause branch?
[15:18] <mandel> kenvandine, I'm trying to see what is the diff between vivd and rtm, vivid seems to be working perfectly
[15:19] <mandel> kenvandine, in vivid I'm on r64
[15:19] <kenvandine> mandel, vivid isn't working for me
[15:19] <kenvandine> 64?
[15:19] <kenvandine> oh, different device maybe
[15:20] <mandel> kenvandine, yes, diff arch
[15:20] <mandel> :)
[15:20] <kenvandine> mandel, not working for me on vivid/mako/57
[15:20] <mandel> kenvandine, let me record a video for you
[15:22] <kenvandine> mandel, if you have a branch that adds more debug output, i'd be happy get more logs
[15:23] <mandel> kenvandine, give me a few misn
[15:23] <mandel> mins*
[15:32] <mandel> kenvandine, was it this ppa => https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-016 ??
[15:33] <kenvandine> mandel, no
[15:33] <kenvandine> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu-rtm/landing-002
[15:34] <mandel> ack
[15:42] <sil2100> dholbach: hello!
[15:42] <sil2100> dholbach: are you still around? :)
[15:42] <dholbach> yes
[15:43] <sil2100> dholbach: we have a new gallery-app in the store that we need approved, it has the proper framework and versioning now
[15:43] <sil2100> It's required for our ubuntu-rtm image
[15:43] <dholbach> is it the right version for the right image now?
[15:44] <sil2100> Yeah, I suppose all should be ok now - Mirv changed the framework and rebased the branch to generate a more proper version
[15:44] <dholbach> sil2100, Mirv: approved
[15:44] <sil2100> Thank you! :)
[15:45] <dholbach> anytime :)
[16:07] <mandel> kenvandine, debugging, this is super weird, I promise it was working :-/
[16:07] <kenvandine> mandel, i know
[16:08] <kenvandine> i saw it work too :)
[16:08] <mandel> kenvandine, well, two crazy people are not longer crazy, is called religion ;)
[16:09] <mandel> kenvandine, debugging atm
[16:52] <tedg> mpt, patriciadavila, so I'm looking at audio roles: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound#Primary_sound_output_and_active_output_role
[16:52] <tedg> It seems like the spec basically covers when media is playing and when it's not.
[16:53] <tedg> But we have four volumes.
[16:53] <tedg> Does that mean that volume up/down never effect the other two?
[16:53] <tedg> I'm guessing the answer is now. If nothing else you'd definitely want to do phone when talking on the phone.
[16:54] <tedg> So that leaves alert/alarm
[16:54] <tedg> I'm not sure exactly how to tease those apart (or if they have value other than silent mode)
[16:58] <mpt> tedg, what are the other two?
[16:58] <tedg> mpt, phone/multimedia
[16:58] <tedg> mpt, multimedia is the default for apps that don't specify.
[16:59] <tedg> mpt, alert is ringer
[16:59] <mpt> tedg, so “multimedia” is not used “when media is playing”? What is?
[16:59] <tedg> mpt, Yes, when media is playing multimedia is used.
[17:00] <tedg> mpt, But when should you set the alarm volume for instance?
[17:00] <mpt> So what are the other two? :-)
[17:00] <tedg> phone, multimedia, alarm and alert.
[17:00] <mpt> Ah, sorry, I didn’t see when you posted them before
[17:00] <mpt> What is alert used for?
[17:00] <tedg> Ringer, SMS sounds, etc.
[17:01] <mpt> Notification sounds in general?
[17:02] <mpt> And phone is used during phone calls?
[17:02] <tedg> Yes, so that's what I'm looking to silence in silent mode.
[17:04] <mpt> Silence both phone and ringer?
[17:04] <mpt> errr, both phone and alert, I mean
[17:04] <tedg> No, phone is the headset volume. The phone ringer is on the alert channel.
[17:05] <mpt> The third hard problem in computer science.
[17:06] <mpt> Headset should be an output device, not an output role
[17:06] <tedg> Well, it's kinda both, but we're only talking about the inputs right now.
[17:06] <mpt> e.g. there should be a media volume for headset and a media volume for speaker
[17:07] <mpt> An alert volume for headset and an alert volume for speaker
[17:07] <tedg> It's a switchboard of volumes.
[17:07] <mpt> etc
[17:08] <mpt> tedg, does this work? <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound?action=diff&rev2=136&rev1=135>
[17:08] <tedg> So yes, we're doing that. We technically though have a lot more outputs and inputs than most people would expect :-)
[17:09] <tedg> mpt, No, I think it should only be multimedia when media is playing.
[17:10] <tedg> mpt, Seems like default is adjusting the ringer (alert)
[18:58] <kenvandine> alesage, hey... any more insight into that autopilot problem?
[19:01] <dobey> kenvandine: what autopilot problem? (cursious as i've been having autopilot woes of my own)
[19:02] <kenvandine> dobey, we keep crashing autopilot in the settings tests
[19:02] <kenvandine> alesage thinks it's a tearDown problem with dbusmoc
[19:02] <kenvandine> +k
[19:02] <dobey> kenvandine: link to the log?
[19:02] <dobey> ah
[19:03] <kenvandine> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/415/?
[19:03] <kenvandine> dobey, so if you have some insight :)
[19:03] <kenvandine> basically the thought is that it can't connect to the bus because the previous job didn't tearDown properly
[19:03] <alesage> kenvandine, a few other things on the plate but will push something in a bit
[19:04] <kenvandine> alesage, thanks, i'm switching gears to something else for now
[19:04] <kenvandine> just curious
[19:04] <alesage> kenvandine, elopio directing me to url-dispatcher as they don't inherit dbusmock there, instead use it as a fixture
[19:04] <kenvandine> i'm done beating my head against the wall for now, until someone has better ideas :)
[19:04] <alesage> kenvandine, very interested in getting this actually landed ;) , will carry it for now and ping you when it appears more working
[19:05] <kenvandine> thx :)
[19:06] <dobey> hmm
[19:07] <dobey> i see a lot of other problems in there anyway :)
[19:11] <dobey> anyway, different from my problems


[04:56] <Kilos> morning all
[04:56] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[04:56]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[05:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:00] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[05:00] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[05:11] <Kilos> hehe
[05:11] <Kilos> môre inetpro
[05:58] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos, and everyone else
[05:58] <Kilos> hehe
[05:58] <inetpro> Kilos: jy vroeg vanmore?
[05:58] <Kilos> ja wou sien waar die reen is
[05:58] <inetpro> hmm...
[05:58] <inetpro> hy kom
[05:59] <Kilos> ek wonder
[06:16] <superfly> morning Kilos, inetpro
[06:16] <Kilos> hiya superfly
[06:16] <Kilos> morning SmilyBorg_w
[06:16] <SmilyBorg_w> Hey there
[06:21] <superfly> ohi SmilyBorg
[06:25] <Squirm> morning
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:27] <charlvn> good morning
[07:27] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[07:27]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:27] <charlvn> how's it going
[07:27] <charlvn> hi Kilos, Squirm, superfly, SmilyBorg, inetpro
[07:30] <aquarat> and SmilyBorg
[07:30] <Kilos> hi aquarat
[07:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[07:31] <aquarat> hi Kilos
[07:31] <aquarat> howzit?
[07:31] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[07:37] <aquarat> is gewd
[07:49] <magespawn> morning all
[07:50] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[07:51] <magespawn> what's up today?
[07:51] <Kilos> lol network stuff again
[07:51] <magespawn> that seems to be your bug bear or your kryptonite
[07:52] <Kilos> can ping one way only with 2 pcs on 12.04 same username and password
[07:52] <Kilos> swop one drive to sisters drive and can ping both ways
[07:52] <Kilos> grrr
[07:52] <Kilos> same settings im sure
[07:52] <magespawn> not the firewall setup?
[07:53] <Kilos> i purged the firewall
[07:53] <Kilos> grr
[07:53] <Kilos> maybe it left something behind
[07:53] <magespawn> that or the computers are not talking because of ip address problems
[07:54] <Kilos> will swop drives again and recheck settings from working one but im sure they same
[07:54] <magespawn> there has to be some difference
[07:54] <Kilos> yeah missing something somewhere
[07:55] <Kilos> will write down so dont have to rely on memory
[08:25] <magespawn> get yourself a rubber duck, helps a lot
[08:48] <Kilos> rubber duck?
[08:49] <Kilos> the settings exactly the same on bot network managers
[08:49] <Kilos> both
[08:52] <Kilos> wbb just wanna steal modem
[09:25] <magespawn> Kilos rubber duck: little yellow plastic toy that you can talk to
[09:25] <Kilos> rofl
[09:26] <Kilos> thats in the bath, what do i do the rest of the time
[09:38] <magespawn> a duck next to computer also helps
[09:39] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[09:39] <Kilos> you a nut at times
[09:40] <magespawn> superfly and come of the other guys suggested it, to help when i am having problems with programming
[09:40] <Kilos> lol
[09:40] <Kilos> they all a buncha nuts at times
[09:41] <magespawn> differant ways of thinking for sure
[09:41] <magespawn> says he who went on an install marathon
[09:42] <Kilos> the fly?
[09:42] <magespawn> no you Kilos, you did all those installs all in a row
[09:43] <Kilos> hahaha ya but now i know the tricks
[09:43] <Kilos> had to thump them into subconscious
[09:43] <Kilos> conscious dont work too good
[09:44] <magespawn> reptition is always a good way to memorize something
[09:44] <Kilos> do install with 3g plugged in then remove it before rebooting
[09:45] <Kilos> if you leave it in nm dont show mobile broadband after the boot
[09:45] <magespawn> now that is strange, wondeer what happens if the modem is built in like with some laptops?
[09:46] <Kilos> something in the last few scripts it runs before closing down
[09:46] <Kilos> ?
[09:47] <Kilos> its very fast but on closing down it says something about modem-manager disconnect
[09:47] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos - 8ta finally allowed me to switch over to 8ta More :)
[09:48] <Trixar_za> Will see tomorrow if the 'double your airtime for R50 or more' offer still works
[09:48] <Kilos> 8ta more? Trixar_za
[09:48] <Kilos> wow
[09:48] <Kilos> if you put R50 you get R100 worth?
[09:49] <Kilos> tell me how
[09:49] <Trixar_za> Yeah, it's the new prepaid plan. They give you a certain percentage more Airtime each time you recharge. It's supposed to be double for amounts over R50. Atleast that's what I've heard from the advert on the TV.
[09:50] <Trixar_za> Well, you dial *180# and go to tarrif options and then select 8ta more and send 1 when it asks.
[09:50] <Trixar_za> Didn't used to work, but monday it finally worked for me
[09:51] <Kilos> wow ty will look at that
[09:51] <Kilos> they cutting some throats hey?
[09:53] <Trixar_za> It's probably to attract more users
[09:54] <Trixar_za> Only pain is that you have to switch over manually. It's not part of the default tarrif plan (which is 8ta per second)
[09:55] <Kilos> i wonder if theyll let you use the more bit to get data as well
[09:55] <Kilos> or only allow it as airtime
[09:56] <Trixar_za> Should be for anything
[09:56] <Trixar_za> I'll find out tomorrow when I recharge :P
[10:00] <Kilos> cool ty Trixar_za
[10:01] <Kilos> they actually quite good. the 2g+1g thats R149, they only deduct R146
[10:02] <Kilos> so if the more works R100 will get the 2g+1g and have R50 over
[10:03] <Kilos> hi queery meeting monday night hey
[10:03] <queery> hi oom Kilos
[10:04] <Trixar_za> That may be two different tarrif plans/specials
[10:04] <Trixar_za> :P
[10:05] <Trixar_za> Not that I've tried the 2g+1g plan
[10:05] <Trixar_za> special*
[10:05] <Kilos> have you got them to activate the sim?
[10:05] <Kilos> for data
[10:06] <Kilos> you dont see the 2g+1g till you do
[10:07] <Kilos> well we can just hope
[10:07] <Trixar_za> Activate it how? It's rica'd and it has the 3G settings enabled.
[10:07] <Trixar_za> I am kind of using a Vodafone 3G modem with it though :P
[10:08] <Kilos> they do it while you are chatting to them
[10:08] <Kilos> dial 180 and wait for an operator
[10:08] <Kilos> go through the motions of course
[10:08] <Kilos> press 1 for this etc
[10:08] <Trixar_za> Ah, of course :P
[10:09] <Kilos> but they answer and get to an agent quicker than the other providers
[10:14] <Trixar_za> Sounds pretty good.  I'm still bummed about losing Full Throttle because of a failing Ubuntu install
[10:17] <Kilos> ai
[10:17] <Kilos> how did you manage that?
[10:18] <Trixar_za> No clue. Just started going. Devices wouldn't work. Couldn't burn CDs and no flash drive would work.
[10:19] <Trixar_za> So it kind of screwed my back up plans
[10:19] <Kilos> oh my
[10:19] <Trixar_za> Didn't have a LiveCD at the time either :P
[10:19] <Kilos> install prepaid-manager-applet
[10:19] <Kilos> you can see airtime and topup from there
[10:20] <Trixar_za> Actually I just use the 8ta website
[10:20] <Trixar_za> It's pretty sweet
[10:20] <Kilos> i dunno how to see data balance without putting sim in fone yet
[10:20] <Trixar_za> You can recharge and see your data there too
[10:20] <Trixar_za> And balances
[10:20] <Kilos> link?
[10:20] <Trixar_za> Let me get it quick :P
[10:21] <Kilos> hope there no moving pics
[10:21] <Kilos> they eat data
[10:23] <Trixar_za> http://onnet.8ta.com/
[10:23] <Trixar_za> I don't think you pay for data used with the 8ta sites
[10:23] <Trixar_za> :P
[10:23] <Trixar_za> Since you can access them with no data and airtime
[10:24] <Trixar_za> Btw, your MSISDN is your cellphone number
[10:24] <Kilos> ah
[10:24]  * Squirm pokes Trixar_za
[10:24] <Kilos> ty
[10:26] <Trixar_za> Hey Squirm :P
[10:29] <Squirm> how goes Trixar_za ?
[10:33] <Kilos> that site doesnt show my bundle balance
[10:34] <Kilos> Trixar_za, maybe the number to setup data is 183
[10:35] <Kilos> i forget all these numbers
[10:35] <Kilos> read the pamphlet that came with sim everytime
[11:56] <DigiGram> hi guys
[11:57] <DigiGram> any capetownians here?
[12:06] <bakuman> a few from Stellenbosch
[12:07] <DigiGram> I'll ask later again. Just a general Q about if anyone knows of a room or something to let on a weekly/monthly basis
[13:00] <magespawn> superfly is in cape town i think
[13:00] <magespawn> there are few others
[13:03] <superfly> DigiGram: I'm in CA but I don't know of any accommodation off hand, you can try gumtree
[13:17] <DigiGram> thanx superfly I'm trying gumtree
[13:17] <DigiGram> had something, then I was to slow to confirm hehe
[13:22] <Kilos> inetpro, hoop jy het reen goed by
[13:22] <Kilos> storm hier
[13:22] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[13:22] <Kilos> reen nog nie maar donner bliksem baie
[13:22] <inetpro> dankie vir die warning
[13:22] <Kilos> yw
[13:23] <inetpro> ai
[13:23] <inetpro> klaar te laat
[13:23] <Kilos> lyk of dit van die noorde af kom so miskien reen dit al by jou se huis
[13:23] <inetpro> ja lyk so
[13:23] <Kilos> wind waai kwaai so kan miskien verby
[13:23] <inetpro> ok, thanks
[13:30] <inetpro> Kilos: lyk my nie of dit vinnig gaan verby wees nie
[13:31] <Kilos> wind waai baie sterk hier so gee kans
[13:43]  * inetpro loving the rain
[13:43] <Kilos> aw we havent even got 1mm yet
[13:44] <Kilos> not fair
[13:45] <Kilos> lyk of dit baie reen bo op die berg na julle toe
[13:45] <Kilos> sigh
[13:46] <inetpro> reen lekker hier in die stad ook
[13:51] <charlvn> good afternoon\
[13:51] <charlvn> wow, busy today
[13:51] <charlvn> how's it going?
[13:53] <Kilos> ok ty and you charlvn
[14:26] <Trixar_za> Kilos: Well that's a slight rip-off. Just recharged with R50.
[14:26] <Trixar_za> They give you R50 free airtime, but it's not part of your official balance. So you can't use it for data bundles.
[14:26] <Trixar_za> Further more, it expires after 7 days :/
[14:27] <Trixar_za> Oh well, deals that are too good to be true normally are
[14:27] <Kilos> lol
[14:27] <magespawn> so you can only use it to make calls and expiry so typical of cell companies
[14:28] <magespawn> i am out of here for now later guys
[14:28] <Trixar_za> magespawn: Pretty much. Probably extends to sms and mms too. Not sure if it only starts working after all the account airtime is depleted or if it works instead of account airtime
[14:28] <Trixar_za> Later magespawn
[14:30] <Trixar_za> On the upside, I found a way to recharge my Cell's batteries without needing to buy a cheapo charger (and it works with USB)
[14:47] <Trixar_za> http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html
[14:47] <Trixar_za> Never gets old
[14:48] <Kilos> eish Trixar_za  they all skelm
[14:49] <Kilos> i once got a mtn once off R50, they advertised download as much as you like in one day
[14:49] <Kilos> they didnt say its throttled after first 200 meg
[14:50] <Kilos> haha Trixar_za try transfering some of it to another fone
[14:51] <Kilos> metoyou thingie\
[14:51] <Kilos> might break the expiry loop and whether you can get data with it
[14:52] <Kilos> you lucky my nokia 2730 has its own plug , doesnt charge with usb
[14:53] <Trixar_za> Nah, I think that's why they keep it separate from your airtime. So you can't pull that trick :P
[14:54] <charlvn> Kilos: i'm doing well thanks
[14:55] <Kilos> hehe
[14:55] <Kilos> ty for letting me know
[14:55] <charlvn> no you asked me earlier but i didn't respond sorry :)
[14:55] <charlvn> i got busy again
[14:55] <charlvn> crazy few days here\
[14:56] <charlvn> i need to go do groceries too tonight, and buy some other stuff
[14:56] <charlvn> :D
[14:56] <Kilos> np charlvn
[14:56] <Kilos> better late than never
[14:56] <charlvn> ;)
[14:56] <Kilos> hehe
[14:57] <charlvn> some days i think i need to buy me one of these: http://i.imgur.com/Z3bNE.jpg
[15:59] <Kilos> inetpro, is jy darem tuis?
[15:59] <Kilos> net 5mm reen hier
[16:00] <Kilos> baie dorp se kant toe
[16:01] <Kilos> must rain tomorrow. temps 14°c and 19°c
[17:56] <magespawn> evening all
[17:57] <superfly> hiya magespawn
[17:57] <magespawn> hey superfly
[18:29] <magespawn> superfly a suggestion for your python blog series, forward links to the new articles
[18:30] <superfly> magespawn: ah yes, thanks for reminding me... I did think about that when I blogged the previous one, but I wasn't at a computer at the time
[18:32] <magespawn> mm mobile blogging? how do you do it, app?
[18:32] <smile4ever> bye :)
[18:32] <smile4ever> have a good night all :)
[18:34] <magespawn> do docstrings display when you run the code or are they like comments?
[18:35] <superfly> magespawn: they are comments
[18:36] <magespawn> do not usually use # for comments?
[18:36] <superfly> mobile blogging? sortof... I usually blog on my Kindle while on the train, and then I export to HTML and upload that to the site when I get to a PC
[18:37] <magespawn> ohh i use scribefire on the htc and usually in firefox on the laptop
[18:47] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[18:50] <superfly> scribefire?
[18:55] <magespawn> scribefire is firefox add on
[18:56] <magespawn> on the tablet i use the mobile blogger
[18:56] <magespawn> app
[19:11] <superfly> magespawn: what blog software do you use? wordpress?
[19:11] <superfly> or blogger?
[19:18] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos I got 45mm
[19:18] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[19:18] <inetpro> good evening
[19:20] <inetpro> superfly: you should try scribefire
[19:22] <inetpro> see: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/scribefire-next/
[19:23] <magespawn> superfly it is just a blogger account with a custom domain
[19:23] <superfly> magespawn: ah
[19:24] <magespawn> and you superfly?
[19:25] <superfly> inetpro: have you seen blogilo?
[19:25] <superfly> Drupal
[19:25] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... no
[19:25] <superfly> inetpro: apt-get install!
[19:26] <inetpro> oh cool
[19:26] <magespawn> should have figured that superfly
[19:28] <inetpro> wow! and is part of the KDE PIM module!?
[19:28] <inetpro> nice!
[19:28]  * inetpro shall have to try this tomorrow some time
[19:28] <inetpro> to tired now
[19:38] <magespawn> will try it on the lappy
[19:39] <magespawn> good night all
[19:42] <superfly> night
[19:57]  * Squirm yawns
[20:06] <acherv> hi @all
[20:28] <charlvn> nn