[02:33] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:45] <TJ-> 'morning
[06:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:26] <ducasse> good morning
[06:26] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:26] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:27] <ducasse> hi lordievader - i'm good, just woke up. how are you doing?
[06:27] <lordievader> Doing alright here :)
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: come back!!!
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> !party
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> nice with fossa emoticon :p
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> Jordan_U: things aren't really adding up with this person ... if the person is in Nigeria right now... I'm not sure how there is full daylight outside the window
[17:36] <pragmaticenigma> person => rom
[17:40] <Jordan_U> pragmaticenigma: I've only skimmed through the backlog, but they seem to have a fairly common problem, have put work into describing legit symptoms, and I see nothing that makes me think this is trolling.
[17:41] <pragmaticenigma> I didn't say trolling... I said things are suspicious


[06:07] <Atamira> does sean still come to chat?
[06:12] <nixternal> sean who?
[06:12] <Atamira> weller
[06:13] <Atamira> wheller
[06:13] <nixternal> umm, I have seen him in ##docbook a while back
[06:13] <nixternal> haven't seen him in a while to be honest
[06:13] <Atamira> mm..its been a while
[06:14] <Atamira> thanks
[06:15] <nixternal> no prob


[02:39] <FloatingGoat> holstein: yo
[02:42] <FloatingGoat> holstein: im buying an mxl 990
[02:42] <FloatingGoat> should I?
[02:42] <FloatingGoat> you'll probably say no
[03:43] <holstein> FloatingGoat: depends
[03:44] <holstein> how good of a deal?
[03:44] <holstein> do you need it?
[03:44] <holstein> is this the only mic you will have?
[03:44] <holstein> do you have a preamp?
[03:44] <FloatingGoat> no i will buy one with it
[03:45] <FloatingGoat> well im trying to make an album with a friend of mine
[03:45] <FloatingGoat> and im recording on a crappy mic
[03:45] <FloatingGoat> we are going to work all summer on getting our songs production quality
[03:45] <FloatingGoat> or at least sorta there
[03:46] <holstein> well, thats still a crappy mic
[03:46] <holstein> for the record
[03:47] <holstein> is it better than what you have?
[03:47] <holstein> are you getting a good deal on it?
[03:47] <holstein> can you try it and return it?
[03:48] <holstein> if you think about what it would cost to go to a studio to make this project, and why
[03:49] <holstein> maybe you spend 3 days there... which would be very conservative
[03:49] <holstein> 8 hour days...
[03:49] <holstein> at $100 per hour, thats $3200
[03:50] <holstein> if you could scrape up $400 even.. or $600, you'd be quite surprised
[03:50] <holstein> thats quite a bit cheaper than going in the studio
[03:50] <FloatingGoat> thats a lot of money
[03:51] <holstein> FloatingGoat: which?
[03:51] <FloatingGoat> wait
[03:51] <holstein> its all relative really
[03:51] <FloatingGoat> your saying buy a 400 dollar mic?
[03:51] <holstein> FloatingGoat: im saying, you might need to get your wallet out if you want a nice mic
[03:51] <FloatingGoat> I want a decent mic
[03:51] <FloatingGoat> we are going to run the vocals through a bunch of effects for the sound
[03:52] <holstein> FloatingGoat: $400 is a decent mic
[03:53] <FloatingGoat> idk man
[03:53] <holstein> FloatingGoat: i do
[03:53] <FloatingGoat> im barely willing to spend 70
[03:53] <holstein> FloatingGoat: again, check out what they have in the studios you are trying to emulate
[03:54] <holstein> something like a shure sm27
[03:54] <holstein> thats really a decent mic... versitile and sturdy
[03:54] <holstein> its like $300
[04:09] <FloatingGoat> well maybe in the future
[04:09] <FloatingGoat> idk
[05:47] <acmeinc> anyone running a RAID setup in studio?  my raid is degraded on almost every reboot and I think it may have something to do with the lowlatency kernel.  Ideas?
[06:25] <fidel_> acmeinc: raid yes - but not on studio. is that a sw-raid using mdadm?
[06:26] <fidel_> or hw-raid using some kind of controller or similar
[06:49] <acmeinc> mdadm
[06:50] <acmeinc> originally i thought the problem was due to my frequent freezes, but i replaced the bad mobo and havnet had any problems since.  now, on almost every clean reboot or shutdown, when the os comes back up, one of the drives (different every time) is considered degraded.
[06:52] <acmeinc> no data loss so far, knock on wood to that, but i'm afraid of rebooting before a clean sync, which takes nearly 14 hours.  i found another similar bug report for ubuntu, which suggests the problem may be further than the lowlat kernel, so i flagged the bug w/ 4 others as a problem
[08:44] <destiriser> Hello, i have a question. I saw that ubuntu studio contains application called Pure Data. Can someone say which version is it? And is it Pd-extended or just Pure-Data? Can you check in repositories please?
[12:54] <ubuntu-studio> Hi.is there any soft for ubuntu studio that i can use with my piano.Thanks.>(
[13:04] <fidel_> ubuntu-studio: use what for? working with midi? add some infos - might help getting help ;)
[13:06] <ubuntu-studio> Well my maudio uno is recognized
[13:06] <ubuntu-studio> i need some kind of synthesizer
[13:06] <ubuntu-studio> like ZynAddSubFX
[13:07] <ubuntu-studio> my at2020 via xlr is recognized and sounds awesome
[13:07] <ubuntu-studio> now only piano is left
[13:07] <ubuntu-studio> also senheiser 595 is also recognized
[13:07] <ubuntu-studio> as i understand i need to start first jack
[13:07] <ubuntu-studio> im a bit confused.:P
[13:10] <ubuntu-studio> ok started qsysnt
[13:11] <ubuntu-studio> hmm sample format 16 bit or float
[13:11] <ubuntu-studio> is float 24
[13:12] <ubuntu-studio> ok i have sound in zyn :D
[13:12] <ubuntu-studio> now midi
[13:48] <shred> Hi all
[13:48] <shred> Just wanted to throw a question to see if anybody knows how to get around my problem
[13:49] <shred> I just installed Ubuntu Studio 12.04 on my machine and everything seems to go well, all hardware has been recognized and apparently correctly setup
[13:49] <shred> However, I have two soundcards, and I am not getting sound on the one I want
[13:49] <shred> I have the onboard intel card and an M-Audio 1010LT
[13:50] <shred> The 1010 I cannot get any output on, it all goes to the Intel one
[13:50] <shred> How can I get sound on the M-Audio?
[13:55] <kbn> I have the same (intel+1010LT), but haven't upgraded to ubuntu 12.04 yet
[13:55] <shred> What version are you?  Does your version recognize two cards?
[13:56] <kbn> 10.10, and yes it does "recognize" both cards... however, I use the 1010 for only audio stuff via jack
[13:56] <kbn> so I just set up jack-control to use the "hw:2" interface
[13:57] <kbn> and the rest goes through the intel card
[13:57] <shred> That's what I am doing, in my case hw:1
[13:58] <shred> In your Jack connections, what's your master output in the left (say Ardour) connected to in the right?  System out?
[13:58] <kbn> but it isn't working? or you need everything else through the 1010 as well?
[14:00] <kbn> ardour/out x --> system/playback_1
[14:01] <shred> I just get nothing from my 1010LT speakers
[14:01] <shred> I am using Envy24 to mix volume through, but nothing
[14:02] <kbn> is the sound turned up in the mixer for the appropriate channel? i.e. alsamixer -c1
[14:02] <shred> I get sound through my standard speakers
[14:05] <kbn> the standard speakers connected to the intel card?
[14:06] <kbn> which output channels on the 1010 do you use? Cause you need to make sure the volume is up on those, I think they are all down to 0 by default.
[14:07] <kbn> I.e. to get sound from analog 1+2 to my monitors, I have turned up "DAC" and "DAC 1" in alsamixer
[14:09] <kbn> I guess in the envy24 mixer that is under "Analog Volume" DAC 0 + DAC 1?
[14:10] <shred> let me try, but I have tried all of them already, I think
[14:12] <kbn> I have a faint recollection of struggling too to get sound out of it, but it's too long ago to remember exactly what I did :P
[14:14] <kbn> and after that it has just worked, which is partly why i haven't upgraded...
[14:34] <shred> I made it work, I believe it had to do with the default interface Ardour was on, which was defaulting to the Intel one
[14:34] <shred> Thanks
[15:37] <carioca> hello galera....
[15:38] <carioca> acabei de instalar o ubuntu studio 12 sendo que meu som não funcionou........ alguem tem um roteiro p instalar aquele plugins extras de audio e video....
[15:47] <carioca> list *amigas*
[16:27] <aboba_9> Hi
[16:27] <aboba_9> Is anybody here have problem with jackd2 stop?
[16:28] <Len-nb> yes
[16:28] <Len-nb> aboba_9, this is a known problem
[16:30] <Len-nb> it is a dbus communication problem. jack stops but qjackctl never gets the reply.
[16:32] <aboba_9> do you know when it will be decided? or some info about it?
[16:33] <Len-nb> there is a bug report in and the developers have asked more info and we've sent it. I don't know where it has gone from there.
[16:34] <Len-nb> stopping and restarting qjackctl seems to work for now... ugly though.
[16:37] <aboba_9> yes, it works but a couple of times per session
[17:00] <Len-nb> aboba_9, the same thing happens using jack_control from the command line, but it seems to recover a bit better. Dbus with jack is relatively new and I guess still buggy. But other than that one problem I have seen no other problems.
[17:01] <aboba_9> oh, i tried ubuntu studio on VirtualBox
[17:02] <Len-nb> aboba_9, it's the same on a hardware install.
[17:03] <aboba_9> and all was ok, but only with AC97 soundcard emulation
[17:03] <Len-nb> aboba_9, AC97?  :P
[17:04] <aboba_9> with Intel HD Audio emulation the jackd is unable to start
[17:04] <Len-nb> aboba_9, what latency did you set?
[17:04] <aboba_9> 128-1024
[17:05] <aboba_9> I have Ubuntu Studio 12.04 on my laptop
[17:05] <Len-nb> aboba_9, that should be ok, I run -p 128 here on my netbook
[17:05] <aboba_9> and I tried it on virtual machine
[17:05] <aboba_9> on the*
[17:06] <aboba_9> the strange bug
[17:06] <aboba_9> why all was ok on ICH AC97 emu?
[17:07] <Len-nb> I have never done any testing on a vrtual machine... I have done all of mine on hardware with a second disk.
[17:07] <Len-nb> Another way of saying I don't know.
[17:08] <aboba_9> I'm too :D
[17:09] <aboba_9> I hope this bug will be decided soon
[17:11] <Len-nb> aboba_9, is there a bug on that? put one in just to make sure. It sounds like a virtual box bug.
[17:14] <aboba_9> No no) I don't have this bug with Virtual Box, i have it on my laptop with Ubuntu Studio
[17:15] <aboba_9> I tried it with VirtualBox just for experiment
[17:15] <aboba_9> But problem is on real machine with Ubuntu Studio 12.04
[17:16] <Len-nb> OK, do you get sound at all? using pulse with say an mp3 playback?
[17:17] <astraljava> aboba_9: Nonetheless, it needs to be reported. Has it been filed on LP?
[17:17] <aboba_9> yes, pulse ok
[17:17] <aboba_9> astraljava, yes i have reported
[17:18] <astraljava> aboba_9: Ok, can we have the bug # please?
[17:18] <aboba_9> but my report was dublicat:)
[17:18] <aboba_9> dublicate*
[17:18] <astraljava> Ahh.. ok.
[17:18] <aboba_9> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jackd2/+bug/956438
[17:19] <aboba_9> yes, it is
[17:19] <astraljava> Oh, don't mind ubottu. He's just a mindless bot. :)
[17:19] <Len-nb> That does not say anything about not getting sound from an HD IF though
[17:19] <astraljava> ubottu: Right?
[17:19] <astraljava> See? :)
[17:20] <astraljava> Oh, yeah true that.
[17:20] <aboba_9> oh, so many messages
[17:20] <aboba_9> My English is not good)
[17:21] <Len-nb> aboba_9, I use a HD sound interface and it works with jack and pulse both.
[17:21] <Len-nb> I was born english and mine isn't either you are doing fine.
[17:21] <aboba_9> On real machine I have two cards
[17:21] <aboba_9> One - HD Intel
[17:22] <aboba_9> First*ЖВ
[17:22] <aboba_9> :D
[17:22] <Len-nb> ok
[17:22] <aboba_9> Second - E-mu 0404 USB
[17:22] <aboba_9> and with both
[17:22] <aboba_9> The jackd starts ok
[17:22] <aboba_9> well*
[17:23] <aboba_9> but on stop it shows error messages
[17:24] <Len-nb> Yup, you can safetly ignore those. It just means you have to restart qjackctl.
[17:24] <aboba_9> It may to be on second or third start-stop
[17:25] <Len-nb> How often do you need to stop jackd? I would think in normal use, jack is started and left running for the whole use time.
[17:26] <aboba_9> in addition to errors the start button still locked
[17:27] <aboba_9> after closing
[17:28] <aboba_9> i start the qjackctl
[17:28] <aboba_9> start button is locked
[17:29] <Len-nb> If all else fails, open a terminal and "ps x". look for the PID of jackdbus and "kill -9 " that PID.
[17:29] <aboba_9> yes, i did it
[17:29] <Len-nb> Then restart qjackctl.
[17:30] <aboba_9> but after that I can't start jackd
[17:30] <aboba_9> It not connect to soundcard
[17:31] <Len-nb> in qjackctl on the setup page, what card does it point to?
[17:32] <Len-nb> aboba_9, it is labeled interface.
[17:32] <aboba_9> Cannot connect to server socket err= !@#!@#!#(some symbols like оеди); Cannot connect to server socket; jack server is not running or cannot be started
[17:34] <Len-nb> Thats ok. qjackctl seems to say that by default when it starts.
[17:34] <aboba_9> i have this problem with both cards
[17:35] <Len-nb> is the start buttom green or grey?
[17:35] <aboba_9> grey
[17:35] <aboba_9> but if i kill jackdbus daemon
[17:35] <aboba_9> it is green
[17:36] <Len-nb> Ya that is where I thought we were, sorry.
[17:37] <aboba_9> and when i press the button it shows messages (Cannot connect to server socket.....)
[17:37] <aboba_9> can i start the jackdbusd after killing?
[17:37] <aboba_9> or
[17:37] <Len-nb> qjackctl should start it.
[17:38] <Len-nb> you can do jack_control start
[17:38] <Len-nb> jack_control status
[17:39] <aboba_9> DBus exception: org.jackaudio.Error.Generic: Failed to open server
[17:39] <aboba_9> --- status stopped
[17:39] <Len-nb> aboba_9, from which command?
[17:39] <aboba_9> jack_control start;  DBus exception: org.jackaudio.Error.Generic: Failed to open server
[17:39] <aboba_9> jack_control status; --- status stopped
[17:40] <Len-nb> ok. I think that is saying that the setup is wrong. That is what happens to me when I have my frames/period set to 64
[17:41] <Len-nb> My HD interface is not able to handle any lower than 128
[17:41] <aboba_9> I have 2048 samples
[17:41] <aboba_9> now
[17:42] <Len-nb> With qjackctl look at your settings. interface?
[17:43] <Len-nb> sample rate? (48000 is safest)
[17:43] <aboba_9> interface: alsa
[17:44] <aboba_9> sample rate: 44100
[17:44] <aboba_9> oh oh
[17:44] <Len-nb> driver alsa? interface should be hw:0 or something
[17:44] <aboba_9> no
[17:45] <aboba_9> interface: hw:2
[17:45] <Len-nb> 2? You have three cards?
[17:45] <aboba_9> i don't shure
[17:46] <aboba_9> hw:0 is HD-Audio Generic
[17:46] <Len-nb> click on the arrow beside and make sure there is a hw:2
[17:46] <Len-nb> yup.
[17:46] <aboba_9> hw:0,3 is HDMI 0
[17:46] <Len-nb> part of the same card
[17:47] <aboba_9> hw:2 is HD-Audio Generic again
[17:47] <Len-nb> no hw:1?
[17:47] <aboba_9> hw:2,0 is ALC269VB Analog
[17:47] <aboba_9> Usually hw:1 is E-Mu
[17:48] <aboba_9> but now it is not connected
[17:48] <Len-nb> ok. I would use hw:0
[17:49] <Len-nb> if hw:1 is not connected then alsa has not updated properly. and hw:2 has maybe changed or moved.
[17:50] <Len-nb> You may have a cable (or other problem) with the USB module.
[17:50] <aboba_9> no
[17:50] <Len-nb> does it work when you select hw:0
[17:51] <Len-nb> no which?
[17:51] <aboba_9> no, i have
[17:51] <aboba_9> oohhh, shiii, i'm confused
[17:51] <aboba_9> :D
[17:51] <aboba_9> Now i connect my usb card
[17:51] <Len-nb> thats ok, me too.
[17:52] <aboba_9> After that i have three interfaces
[17:52] <aboba_9> hw:0 HD-Audio Generic
[17:52] <aboba_9> hw:1 E-mu 0404 USB
[17:52] <aboba_9> hw:2 HD-Audio Generic
[17:52] <Len-nb> I'm going to have to go, I have an appointment in 15min.
[17:53] <Len-nb> can you start jack now?
[17:53] <aboba_9> but hw:0 is digital part of HD-Sound Generic
[17:53] <aboba_9> i think
[17:53] <aboba_9> and hw:2 is analog part
[17:53] <aboba_9> No, i can not
[17:55] <Len-nb> OK, I do have to go. I'll be back in about 4 hours I think, but maybe someone else has some ideas
[17:55] <aboba_9> Ok
[17:55] <aboba_9> But i going to sleep soon
[17:55] <aboba_9> Thanks for hepl
[17:55] <aboba_9> help*
[17:56] <Len-nb> your welcome. It is 11am for me
[18:03] <aboba_9> I see one decision: start jackd one time per session and use it like main sound system. And don't stop it)
[18:26] <len-dt> aboba_9, Just thought of something.
[18:27] <len-dt> I would suggest you boot with your USB sound interface unplugged.
[18:27] <len-dt> and plug it in after you get to the login screen
[18:27] <len-dt> That way both of your HD interfaces should be hw0 and hw1
[18:28] <len-dt> and your usb will then be hw2
[18:36] <mbeierl> Silly question - perhaps more of xfce, but I'm coming from a gnome background.  How do I bind a keystroke to an action.  For example, I use Super-X to launch an xterm and I'd like to do that in ubuntustudio
[18:41] <Len-nb> settings manager->window manager  keyboard tab.
[18:46] <mbeierl> len-dt, thanks, but how do I add a new keystroke to that.  That appears only to control window actions like maximize, etc
[18:48] <mbeierl> AH!  Keyboard -> Application shortcuts.  got it, thanks!
[21:16] <len-dt> mbeierl, That was the first one I looked at :P sorry, gl;ad you got it.


[00:34] <ryanprel> I have a brand new installation of Mythbuntu 9.10 installed on a server with two hard drives.  One is the OS drive and the other is the data drive.  The OS drive was wiped clean with the fresh installation and the data drive was remounted to /var/lib/mythtv and contains all of the old recordings and other video files.  I have channel data coming in from Schedules Direct and am using a Hauppauge 150 with an analog basic cabl
[00:35] <ryanprel> When I set a show to record through MythWeb it acts as if it's scheduling the show and lists it in the  recorded programs but gives it a 25kb file size and the encoder in the backend status acts as if nothing is happening
[00:36] <ryanprel> I had a working 8.10 installation up until yesterday
[00:36] <ryanprel> and haven't moved any hardware or moved any cables
[00:37] <ryanprel> When I try to watch live tv, it sits at a black screen with the "waiting..." text
[01:06] <WVUSax> i replaced my hauppauge pvr150 with a pchdtv 5500, but i can't get it to work. can anyone help me?
[01:29] <foxbuntu> ryanprel, be sure any external tuning scripts are configured and working and the mythtv user has write access to all recording and other media directories
[01:40] <dmfrey> WVUSax: what issue are you having?
[01:41] <dmfrey> anyone using an Intel Wifi Link 5300 and got it working in mythbuntu 9.10
[01:41] <dmfrey> I am having some issues with this card in an ION frontend
[01:42] <dmfrey> it sees all ap's around, connects, pulls an address, but can't get above 1mb/s connection rate
[01:42] <dmfrey> also, it can't ping anything else on the network
[01:43] <dmfrey> WVUSax: how did you configure your pcHDTV 5500 in mythtv-setup?
[02:09] <rhpot1991> dmfrey: he is gone
[02:10] <rhpot1991> dmfrey: I gotta find my antenna so I can test out my wifi for you
[02:10] <rhpot1991> dunno where I put it, might be an issue
[02:11] <rhpot1991> dmfrey: assuming other wifi devices work fine, right?
[02:22] <dmfrey> rhpot1991: yeah, everything else works fine on the wireless network
[02:22] <dmfrey> rhpot1991: yeah, saw he was gone then
[02:31] <dmfrey> rhpot1991: i am trying to compile the latest driver now
[02:32] <dmfrey> rhpot1991: see if that fixes it
[02:32] <dmfrey> rhpot1991:  it is strange that it connects and pulls an address, just can't do anything else
[02:32] <rhpot1991> dmfrey: have you tried setting it up by hand without network manager applet?
[02:33] <dmfrey> rhpot1991: no, but i did switch to wicd and have the same result
[02:34] <dmfrey> rhpot1991: after i get this driver compiled and installed, i will set it up in the interfaces to see if that helps
[02:37] <rhpot1991> dmfrey: I'm working on a website now, I'll dig for that antenna when I'm done
[02:40] <dmfrey> rhpot1991: np, thanks
[03:11] <ryanprel> Foxbuntu, what external tuning scripts would I need and how would I configure them?  What directories does mythtv user need to have write access to?  Everything in the mythtv folder should have mythtv user and mythtv group with 755 permissions?
[03:13] <foxbuntu> ryanprel, if you are using anything other than Coax/RG6 for your video source you should be using an external channel changer script if you dont already, all directories you have configured (or the defaults) need to have 755 (if owned by mythtv)
[03:14] <ryanprel> is there an easy way  of recursively assigning everything inside of mythtv folder with the mythtv user and group and 755 permissions
[03:14] <ryanprel> everything is located in /var/lib/mythtv
[03:15] <ryanprel> and I have coax analog signal coming into the PVR150
[03:15] <foxbuntu> ryanprel, then no channel changer script is needed
[03:16] <foxbuntu> ryanprel, sudo chmod 755 -R /var/lib/mythtv
[03:16] <ryanprel> ok
[03:18] <ryanprel> I'll change the permissions on everything to verify and wait for my package upgrades to complete and then give it a try again
[03:32] <ryanprel> all of the packages are up to date, all the permissions in /var/lib/mythtv/* are set to mythtv:mythtv 755 including the root directory itself, the machine has been restarted
[03:33] <ryanprel> is there a way to check if a signal is coming in at all (verify it's either the tuner or not the tuner
[03:33] <ryanprel> going to live tv just says "Please wait..."
[04:11] <ryanprel> I think I've figured it out
[04:11] <ryanprel> the card wasn't set as an IVTV MPEG card - it was a V4L card
[04:17] <ryanprel> actually, I should ask to verify should it be IVTV (I think that was the acronym) or the other MPEG option for a Hauppauge PVR150
[04:17] <ryanprel> ?
[04:24] <ryanprel> it appears to be working
[04:24] <ryanprel> thanks for the help
[05:15] <Hilikus> after the auto-build repo what's next in less frequency of updates? i want something less frequent than the -fixes repo whcih changes almost every day
[05:16] <superm1> Hilikus, it's changing because upstream if making changes
[05:16] <superm1> you dont have to actually do those updates whenever they make the changes
[05:16] <Hilikus> i know, i just want something less frequent
[05:17] <superm1> well tell upstream to stop fixing things then :)
[05:17] <superm1> in the autobuilds FAQ it explains how to look at the changes being made, so you can better evaluate if it's worth making said changes
[05:17] <Hilikus> i know i dont have to but i get messages when there are updates in my system
[05:17] <superm1> you can turn off that notification
[05:17] <Hilikus> is there some repo thats less frequent but more frequent than the official ubuntu repo?
[05:18] <Hilikus> turning it off will make me unaware of important ubuntu updates
[05:18] <Hilikus> thats not an option
[05:18] <Hilikus> i just want to know if there's something in the middle
[05:19] <Hilikus> if not i'll decide if i stay with too many or not enough mythtv updates
[16:40] <aliby> I have two monitors, my main one on my desk (VGA), and a LCD HDTV (connected with HDMI) next to it that I would like to output my MythTV screen onto. Currently to do this I'm running mythfrontend in Windowed mode and just moving it over onto the second monitor. Is there a better way to do this? All I use the tv for is MythTV...
[21:41] <hari_> is it possible to play stuff in mythbuntu without having to import it to /var/lib/mythtv...blah
[21:41] <hari_> I just want to be able to index stuff in various places and play it in place
[21:43] <mrand> hari_: I haven't tried personally (I intend to), but I believe that myth will follow symbolic links
[21:45] <hari_> i don't really want to symlink and this doesn't scale because I can have media from all different parts of my filesystem tree
[21:51] <mrand> hari_: Um, so you want click around a whole bunch of directories?  I guess you could make / or /home or something the default directory maybe?


[00:01] <mattt> evening
[00:19] <AlanBell> cupcakes \o/ https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hbpKZc4pPk8/TtkWX5SzfsI/AAAAAAAAKbg/QzJJtASsZOQ/s1024/Cupcakes.jpg
[08:10] <czajkowski> morning
[08:10] <czajkowski> oh want them cupcakes
[08:38] <Myrtti> mmmmm tea
[08:52] <AlanBell> morning
[08:52] <AlanBell> yeah, they do look nice don't they czajkowski
[08:53] <AlanBell> not quite as posh as the ones Pendulum wanted the other day
[09:04] <dwatkins> hi folks
[09:04] <dwatkins> mmm, cake and bacon and egg sounds great right now
[09:34] <popey> Morning ratfans
[09:58]  * AlanBell is queuing to see santa
[09:59] <mfraz74> What are you going to ask for?
[10:02] <AlanBell> a better applications lens
[10:06] <andylockran> w/c
[10:06] <andylockran> howdy
[10:14] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:29] <andylockran> shy tee morning
[10:31] <Myrtti> audacity is horrible ;___;
[10:32] <brobostigon> equally, so is gwibber.
[10:32] <Myrtti> yes.
[10:32] <brobostigon> it is like you ask gwibber to do something, and you have to wait 20 mins.
[10:32] <andylockran> anyone need a sysadmin job in Brum ?
[10:33] <brobostigon> o/
[10:33] <occupy64k> Depends on how old the version
[10:33] <andylockran> brobostigon: ?
[10:33] <brobostigon> occupy64k: i am using the most recent version in debian experimental.
[10:33] <occupy64k> ok
[10:33] <brobostigon> andylockran: i am not in brum, but a sysadmin job, sounds interesting.
[10:33] <occupy64k> The old versions of gwibber were really slow
[10:33] <Myrtti> heheheheheh funny
[10:34] <Myrtti> yeah.
[10:34] <Myrtti> I used gwibber on this laptop before May first last
[10:34] <occupy64k> The version I'm using is 3.2.1
[10:34] <Myrtti> now I enabled it and still it shows only the replies I've gotten before that in the reply pane
[10:34] <Myrtti> I would call that a tad slow
[10:34] <Myrtti> I wonder how many days it takes for it to fetch the rest
[10:36] <andylockran> well if anyone has any sysadmin friends, please put me in touch
[10:37] <occupy64k> Isn't everyone a sysadmin now?
[10:39] <andylockran> occupy64k: nope, developers like to think they can be with 'the cloud'
[10:40] <Myrtti> oh man, I hate jokosher too
[10:45]  * brobostigon readds chromium daily ppa, to debian sid.
[11:08] <brobostigon> no breakage, phew, also added gwibber ppa.
[13:05] <bigcalm> Peekaboo
[13:06] <czajkowski> I see you
[13:07] <bigcalm> eeeeee
[13:07]  * bigcalm blows raspberries on czajkowski's tummy
[13:07] <czajkowski> oi cheeky
[13:07] <bigcalm> :D
[13:08] <bigcalm> Ello miss, how's you?
[13:09] <bigcalm> Will you be making an appearance after the meal on Friday?
[13:24] <daubers> Lo
[13:25] <czajkowski> hopefully so aye
[13:25] <bigcalm> Goodie :)
[13:25] <bigcalm> Dragging Jon along?
[13:25] <bigcalm> Hi daubers
[13:28]  * daubers dislikes working weekends
[13:28] <bigcalm> You prefer broken ones?
[13:33] <daubers> I prefer free ones :(
[13:34] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGTnuJ1Qqpk <- I made this to explain minecraft to a friend :D
[13:35] <czajkowski> bigcalm: not sure
[13:36] <czajkowski> popey: real money eh :)
[13:37] <mgdm> http://i.imgur.com/viUN9.png - wow
[13:47] <popey> ☺ czajkowski
[13:48] <czajkowski> popey: you make screen casting look so simple
[13:48] <popey> heh, it is ☺
[13:53] <gord> wow minecraft is $26 - that feels expensive
[13:56] <penguin42> the BBC headline writers are getting better; especially for the short headlines - always emphasize the important part: 'Puffin found at sex clinic dies': http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-16016898
[14:07] <AlanBell> penguin42: all the headlines seem a bit frisky today
[14:09] <penguin42> AlanBell: I guess they reckon they're better than the standard impending doom headlines
[14:14] <daubers> woot! samba vfs module is starting to look a bit more readable now
[14:18] <Myrtti> standard impeding doom reminds me of Harry Potter.
[14:18] <Myrtti> should I be worried?
[14:19]  * penguin42 hasn't read h.p.
[14:19] <penguin42> (or watched it)
[14:21] <Myrtti> I listened.
[14:39] <czajkowski> hmm dell site is annoying
[14:39] <czajkowski> you search for Ubuntu
[14:40] <AlanBell> czajkowski: chat to the live assistant
[14:40] <czajkowski> gives back a list of machines and I thought wow what a list, click on the item, still shows the OS as Microsoft
[14:40] <AlanBell> you won't get anything, but blog the transcript
[14:40] <czajkowski> what'll that do ?
[14:40] <AlanBell> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/07/23/why-windows-still-has-good-sales-figures/
[14:41] <AlanBell> just show that demand is there
[14:43] <czajkowski> hmm ok
[14:47] <czajkowski> hmm I sem to have massive lagging problems
[14:47] <czajkowski> the system 76 site really is rather nice
[14:48] <gord> really wish bash had python like string processing :(
[14:48] <gord> met the system 76 guys at uds, nice people
[14:48] <czajkowski> and they do say they'll ship to UK, but the downside of an annoying US keyboard would do my head in
[14:48] <gord> you can get stickers to fix that :)
[14:49] <czajkowski> gord: this is true
[14:49] <czajkowski> the machines they offer are nice
[14:49] <gord> i bet the shipping costs aren't though
[14:50]  * hamitron just gets comp with crapware and solves the problem when it arrives
[14:52] <czajkowski> not sure I'd call it crapware to be honest.  It's just an OS I chose to not want to use
[14:53] <hamitron> I was adding in the other software that is installed to lower the cost of the comp
[15:20] <brobostigon> wales 6  - 0 australia, :)
[15:23] <brobostigon> end first half, wales 6 - 3 australia.
[15:34] <BigRedS> gord: bash's string processing is "perl -e"
[15:34] <mgdm> I wrote a PHP script the other day that generated a 650000 line long Bash script.
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: \o/ :)
[15:34] <mgdm> I was quite proud of that.
[15:35] <penguin42> the challenge of how many different languages can you get in a single project
[15:35] <mgdm> This was after re-implementing ls, as it wouldn't read the directory I was throwing at it in a reasonable amount of time
[15:35] <BigRedS> penguin42: I remember Michale Meeks at Fosdem saying "Whatever language you prefer, we've something for you to hack on in Libre Office"
[15:35] <nigelb> mgdm: PHP script to generate bash? That's evil in so many ways :P
[15:36] <penguin42> BigRedS: You could try membase - it has a test suite in perl, python, ruby and erlang
[15:37] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: well, for me, bash's everything-processing is perl :) I try to get a bash if done right about four times and then just rewrite the thing in pelr
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: I know enough shell scripting to get by (packaging..)
[15:37] <mgdm> nigelb: I was more interested in getting stuff done :)
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: but once it gets heavier one line of sed/awk .. hello Perl :)
[15:37] <czajkowski> whooo 62 days to fOSDEM :D
[15:38] <nigelb> mgdm: Heh, I can associate with that :)
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> Argh
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> Configuring some APs (one in "AP" mode, the other in "client bridge" mode)
[15:39] <MartijnVdS> but I can't find anything about what they do with VLAN-tagged packets in the docs
[15:46]  * MartijnVdS goes into "What happened when you tried?" mode
[15:48] <brobostigon> wales 6 - 10 australia :(
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> So.. wails from Wales?
[15:48] <brobostigon> hmmm.
[15:51] <Azelphur> http://snipsnip.it/au54bo9u347 anyone heard of a remote like this that would be Linux compatible?
[15:51] <Azelphur> that'd be sweet for MythTV :P
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus :P
[15:52] <brobostigon> wales 6 - 15 australia :(
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Rugby?
[15:52] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yep.
[15:56]  * MartijnVdS does a popey and upgrades to alpha1
[15:56] <brobostigon> wales 6 - 22 australia :(
[16:17]  * AlanBell ponders moving theopensourcerer.com to a server running precise
[16:18] <brobostigon> ohwell, wales 18 - 24 australia. full time.
[16:18] <AlanBell> whilst theopensourcerer is away for the weekend
[16:20] <penguin42> what can possibly go wrong?
[16:21] <penguin42> this laptop seems to be happy with pp
[16:23] <Darael> penguin42: However much could have gone wrong before that question was asked, it is more now.
[16:23] <Darael> Narrative imperative.
[16:24]  * AlanBell just downloaded the precise CD in 65 seconds
[16:24] <penguin42> nod; best to lock up the cat before upgrading
[16:26] <DJones> I'm thinking about installing in a VM to see what the changes are
[16:29] <penguin42> I can't honestly see any
[16:32] <AlanBell> broadly speaking precise is like oneiric, but slightly better
[16:34]  * brobostigon thinks about dist-upgrade at the right time on his vps, never done such a thing before.
[16:36] <penguin42> don't dist-upgrade - use do-release-upgrade
[16:36] <danfish> afternoon - I am officially running ubuntu again after a sojourn on debian :)
[16:36] <penguin42> welcome back to the u world
[16:37] <danfish> due to hardware issues it turns out
[16:37] <brobostigon> penguin42: yes, agreed, i was simply thinking upon the lines, not a presise method yet.
[16:37] <penguin42> brobostigon: Well if you're going to go to precise then you should be precise
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> 13 minutes remaining
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> then I'll be precise :)
[16:38] <brobostigon> penguin42: ummm, ok.
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> Release:	12.04
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> Codename:	precise
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[16:49] <Darael> To be precise, \o/
[16:50] <BigRedS> Hm, anyone done much with Amazon? I've just kicked off a canonical AMI and it's not letting me in with my key
[16:50] <BigRedS> I've remembered to be the user 'ubuntu', but I can't think what else it wants me to do differently...
[16:50] <AlanBell> Daviey is an amazonian I think
[16:51] <AlanBell> my precise server install seems to be taking a very very long time to get NTP time
[16:51] <AlanBell> ah, write about it on IRC and it happens
[16:52] <BigRedS> there's some irony in precise not dong ntp properly
[16:52] <brobostigon> dong :)
[17:00] <AlanBell> on a mac, does the dock thing contain stuff that isn't running as well as stuff that is running, but not all the stuff you could run?
[17:00] <BigRedS> AlanBell: yeah
[17:00] <AlanBell> and people like that?
[17:00] <BigRedS> it has only launcher icons, and then as you open things that weren't already in it, they go in there too
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's like the unity dock -- it contains running and non-running things
[17:01] <BigRedS> there's some visual difference between what represents open things and what doesn't, but I can't remember precisely how
[17:01] <AlanBell> ok
[17:01] <AlanBell> wonder why we copy the silly ideas
[17:02]  * penguin42 notes Risc OS had this about 15 years ago
[17:02] <AlanBell> what I did for a while was un-pin everything in the launcher, so it only showed running things
[17:02] <AlanBell> that made more sense to me, but the applications lens is too hard to find stuff in, so you end up pinning things again
[17:02] <BigRedS> AlanBell: OSX has a lot of the sort of thing where you either get it or you don't, and if you don't get it and try to bend it to fit it doesn't really work
[17:03] <penguin42> AlanBell: It works well if you actually allow the running icons on the dock to do more things - in the RISC OS system the icon on the bar would do loads of things - e.g. show open documents and let you drag and drop onto it
[17:04] <penguin42> IMHO that makes sense - there was never any point to having a launcher on the panel and then something that appeared when it was running
[17:04] <AlanBell> drag and drop on riscos was awesome. It always worked for anything to anywhere
[17:07] <AlanBell> riscos should make a comeback on ARM tablets
[17:07] <Darael> ...is that "should" as in "I anticipate", or "should" as in "someone ought to make it so"?
[17:08] <AlanBell> someone ought to make it so
[17:08] <Darael> Mmm.  Thought so, but it might have been a prediction.
[17:08] <AlanBell> I should think someone will probably do it for the raspberry pi
[17:09] <AlanBell> http://www.osnews.com/story/25276/Raspberry_Pi_To_Embrace_RISC_OS
[17:09]  * AlanBell was right :)
[17:09] <Darael> How... satisfactory.
[17:09] <mgdm> I remember RiscOS from school
[17:09] <mgdm> I learned Pascal on that :)
[17:11]  * AlanBell wants a pi even more now
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> Magnum PI?
[17:13]  * nigelb hands AlanBell 3.14
[17:14] <penguin42> that version never worked well, I'll wait for version 4
[17:14] <mgdm> I wonder if I can emulate something RiscOS-capable
[17:58] <kvarley> Does Ubuntu have an alternative shortcut for character codes? Like on *the OS that shall not be named* you hit Alt + [number] to get accented characters and such.
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: most apps understand Ctrl+Shift+U <let go of everything> <type hex code of unicode codepoint> <space>
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: Ctrl+Shift+U 2665 = ♥
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: you can look up the hex codes in gucharmap
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> ♫ = 266b
[17:59] <kvarley> Ah ok =] thanks
[17:59] <jacobw> ᙤ
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: what the .. is that
[17:59] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Been using Ubuntu for years and I just wondered now how to do it lol. Each time I needed a special character I had use the charmap lol
[17:59] <Darael> For some things it's easier to set a compose key, of course, but ctl+shift+U works for every character in Unicode.
[18:00] <jacobw> ctrl+shift+u 1664
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: 2639 = ☹  263a = ☺
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: 263b = ☻
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> etc, etc
[18:01] <jacobw> ጷ
[18:01] <jacobw> i don't know what that is either
[18:01] <kvarley> Thank you muchly
[18:01] <jacobw> ctrl+shift+u 1337
[18:01] <penguin42> remembering unicode isn't as easy as remembering ascii
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: ETHIOPIC SYLLABLE PHWA
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: That's because ASCII is 127 characters, and unicode is still growing with >16M possible characters
[18:02] <penguin42> nod
[18:03] <kvarley> Is there a way to add folders to an existing tar.bz2 archive?
[18:03] <jacobw> yes
[18:03] <kvarley> jacobw: How? :)
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> there is tar -r (append) but I don't know if it copes with compression
[18:03] <jacobw> i don't know
[18:04] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I'll try that thanks. I don't need it to be compressed as I am just using it to copy a filesystem
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> also, I don't know what it does with duplicates
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> i.e. you add the same file twice
[18:06] <BigRedS> My understanding is that it will append it to the tar, but not overwrite the file in it
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: sure, but how will that work on unpack?
[18:06] <BigRedS> but then, on extraction, it'll write the first one, then get to the second and overwrite the first with that
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> how delightfully 20th century :)
[18:07] <BigRedS> I've never tested it, though, and so I don't know where that explanation came from
[18:07] <BigRedS> haha
[18:07] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: it's what ctrl-C was invented for :)
[18:07] <popey> that makes sense
[18:08] <popey> given tar was designed for linear devices (tapes)
[18:08] <BigRedS> Yeah
[18:08] <BigRedS> it's a true 'append' rather than just 'add'
[18:08] <popey> makes sense that you can't overwrite something part way along but append
[18:08] <popey> yeah
[18:08] <BigRedS> and means that, on a tape, you can go back through the previous versions
[19:41] <gord> rather interesting proof of concept of an attack on your web browser cache http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/cachetime/
[19:45] <Myrtti> so can someone explain to me how geoclue actually works in 11.10? I'm thinking of putting redshift on as I had it on my ... previous laptop, and it looks the location up with geoclue. But what if I change the location from the clock widget?
[19:55] <gord> Myrtti, iirc there are a few different providers for geoclue, one of them is ip based
[19:58] <Myrtti> alright
[20:54] <Daviey> BigRedS: hey, around?
[21:36] <thispixel> I have some tracks I want to write to CDR is there something I can use to convert them so any player can play them?
[21:40] <Myrtti> depends on what do you mean by tracks and players
[21:40] <Azelphur> !info brasero | thispixel
[21:40] <Azelphur> !brasero | thispixel
[21:40] <Myrtti> brasero is certainly nice
[21:40] <Azelphur> what happened to the bot? :(
[21:41] <Azelphur> slowness
[21:41] <monsterwizard> does anyone know about asm
[21:41] <monsterwizard> and know about stacks
[21:41] <monsterwizard> ;(
[21:41] <penguin42> which asm, which stacks, and whats your problem?
[21:42] <monsterwizard> I'm use 86
[21:42] <monsterwizard> I can't identify where the stack has been created in this program
[21:42] <ali1234> "created"
[21:42] <penguin42> monsterwizard: It normally shows in /proc/self/maps as [stack]
[21:43] <monsterwizard> http://pastebin.com/YAu7sn1Z
[21:43] <monsterwizard> really?
[21:43] <monsterwizard> huh
[21:43] <ali1234> the stack is just 1 pointer, it is in... the stack pointer (register)
[21:44] <ali1234> since that program is just a few asm instructions inside a C program, the compiler will generate the code that sets up the stack
[21:44] <monsterwizard> so there#s no way to indicate where abouts it starts
[21:45] <ali1234> what do you mean?
[21:45] <penguin42> monsterwizard: Do you want to put it somewhere or do you want to find out where it is?
[21:45] <monsterwizard> Well I need to write a report on the stack frame
[21:45] <ali1234> stack has a top and a bottom
[21:45] <monsterwizard> and one question is to comment the "Setting up the stack frame!
[21:45] <monsterwizard> " *
[21:45] <penguin42> monsterwizard: So just do everything via esp
[21:45] <ali1234> neither can really be called the "start"
[21:48] <ali1234> (also you can't really tell where the bottom is)
[21:49] <monsterwizard> But I need to make a diagram of the stack
[21:49] <monsterwizard> surely there is
[21:49] <ali1234> ok
[21:49] <monsterwizard> I dunno though
[21:49] <ali1234> get a debugger
[21:49] <monsterwizard> damn, asm86 makes me physically ill
[21:49] <monsterwizard> got one
[21:49] <ali1234> watch the esp register
[21:49] <ali1234> step through the code
[21:49] <ali1234> esp is a pointer to memory
[21:50] <monsterwizard> Ah I see
[21:50] <ali1234> whenever push instruction is used, whatever you push is written to the memory pointed by the esp
[21:50] <ali1234> then the esp is decremented
[21:50] <ali1234> this is the stack
[21:50] <ali1234> this is kinda fundamental to all machine code
[21:51] <penguin42> monsterwizard: Use a debugger like gdb to have a look - if you do info registers   it will show you the register values
[21:51] <ali1234> so lines 28 to 31 put params on the stack (like the comment says)
[21:52] <ali1234> then line 32 calls a function, which uses those parameters (it looks at esp to find them)
[21:52] <ali1234> then line 33 adds to the stack, which moves it back, removing the parameters
[21:52] <ali1234> same thing throughout the rest of the program
[21:53] <ali1234> so it pushes twice... this is 32 bit code so that's a total of 8 bytes
[21:53] <ali1234> then it adds 8 to esp
[21:53] <ali1234> now esp is back where it started
[21:53] <ali1234> so the thing here is, you have to push and then "pop" an equal number of times, or extremely bad things will happen
[21:54] <ali1234> adding to esp is a shortcut for doing lots of pops, when you don't care about the data
[21:54] <monsterwizard> right I see
[21:54] <monsterwizard> taking notes
[21:55] <ali1234> btw is this homework?
[21:57] <ali1234> the other thing you need to know about the stack is there's no rules at all about esp, it's just another register
[21:58] <ali1234> when a program starts it initializes it to a value, the code that does it is part of the libc, otherwise you'd have to include it in all programs
[21:59] <ali1234> but if you just pop loads of times, the pointer will happily keep moving into unknown memory
[22:00] <ali1234> so you can see that if you change the number of parameters of a function but forget to change the matching pop, you now have a very dangerous bug
[22:00] <penguin42> ali1234: I thought it was actually the kernel that set it up initially and created the parameters on the stack
[22:00] <ali1234> this is one of the things that C makes really easy for you... making sure all function calls "just work"
[22:01] <ali1234> penguin42: i'm pretty sure it's done in the crt.0
[22:01] <monsterwizard> Oh god, ok
[22:01] <ali1234> any OS that uses virtual memory
[22:02] <monsterwizard> wait how do you clear a stack then?
[22:02] <penguin42> you don't you just pop your stuff off it
[22:02] <monsterwizard> oh right
[22:02] <ali1234> you can't
[22:02] <ali1234> well, you can
[22:02] <ali1234> the point is, you have to have a pop for every push
[22:02] <ali1234> it has to match up perfectly
[22:02] <ali1234> if you just pause a program at a random point, you can't tell how deep the stack is
[22:02] <monsterwizard> I see
[22:03] <ali1234> imagine you have a pile of rocks
[22:03] <ali1234> then you add 10 rocks
[22:03] <ali1234> how many rocks in the pile?
[22:03] <ali1234> you don't know...
[22:03] <penguin42> jenga!
[22:03] <monsterwizard> so poping the stack frame = clearing the stack frame
[22:03] <ali1234> but you can take 10 rocks off the top and get back to where you started
[22:03] <monsterwizard> in an abstract sense
[22:03] <ali1234> but if someone else comes along and puts a rock on the pile when you're not looking... you're screwed
[22:04] <penguin42> ali1234: And thats why threads have separate stacks
[22:04] <ali1234> yes, you don't really "clear" it in the sense of "writing 0s over it" or anything like that
[22:05] <ali1234> you just move the pointer back
[22:05] <monsterwizard> This brief isn't very precise another thing I need to identify is the "Passing back the return value"
[22:06] <penguin42> ah, so it is homework....
[22:06] <monsterwizard> not really
[22:06] <monsterwizard> if it was
[22:06] <monsterwizard> I wouldn't do it
[22:06] <monsterwizard> :P
[22:06] <ali1234> looks like the retrun value is in eax
[22:07] <ali1234> or eax,eax; jnz fileOK
[22:07] <ali1234> function call methods differ between OSs
[22:08] <ali1234> actually most OSs can call functions in multiple different ways too
[22:08] <ali1234> again, C hides all this from you most of the time
[22:08] <ali1234> you might find this interesting-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_calling_conventions
[22:09] <ali1234> see if you can figure out the name of the calling convention your code is using
[22:10] <monsterwizard> thank you
[22:11] <mgdm> I fairly comfortable in C, but I've not done any assembly stuff since 6502 on the BBC Micro about 12 years ago :)
[22:17] <monsterwizard> I may stop learning asm
[22:19] <ali1234> there isn't much reason to learn x86 asm
[22:25] <monsterwizard> Yeah/
[22:25] <monsterwizard> So I still can get a job?
[22:25] <monsterwizard> without learning this
[22:25] <monsterwizard> because it's actually giving me an increased heart rate D:
[22:25] <monsterwizard> perhaps I need more 'general' programming skills
[22:25] <jacobw> very few people code in asm
[22:26] <ali1234> sure
[22:27] <Myrtti> crazy neighbour shooting fireworks from their balcony somewhere above me
[22:27] <ali1234> if you want to be an expert programmer
[22:27] <ali1234> learn some 8 bit assembler
[22:27] <Myrtti> where have they even gotten any at this time of year
[22:27] <ali1234> like z80, 6502, etc
[22:27] <ali1234> they are much simpler
[22:28] <ali1234> once you've done that you can bluff your way through any x86 assembler you meet with a reference manual
[22:28] <ali1234> mips is simple too
[22:33] <jacobw> i've started wearing my hearing aid again for the first time in years
[22:35] <jacobw> i can hear my own voice much better, i didn't know i sounded a bit brummie :|
[22:38] <Myrtti> hm
[22:38] <Myrtti> this is worrysome
[22:38] <Myrtti> first I was like, yay, clean laptop and it sounds quieter too
[22:38] <Myrtti> now I'm not sure if the CPU fan is going at all
[22:41] <jacobw> uh oh
[22:45] <jacobw> cpu temperature monitor?
[22:45] <Myrtti> 58C
[22:47] <Myrtti> yeah, it's not going at all
[22:47] <gord> nice and quiet though
[23:00] <Myrtti> well that was scary
[23:01] <Myrtti> got a huge wad of lint and dust off, rebooted all the way to Ubuntu and fan didn't start at all, started to panic and now it runs again
[23:02] <monsterwizard> DO you think access parameters means using the parameters?
[23:02] <Myrtti> now the CPU temp is 38C
[23:04] <jacobw> monsterwizard: what are you reading?
[23:04] <monsterwizard> a text?
[23:05] <monsterwizard> err some random text book
[23:05] <monsterwizard> this is in asm86
[23:07] <jacobw> in my opinion, which may be wrong, asm86 is not a good place to start if you are learning to program
[23:11] <jacobw> http://goo.gl/855wT
[23:43] <dwatkins> I started learning with BBC BASIC, which is a gateway language to Assembley ;)
[23:44] <dwatkins> I gather university courses start with Java or Processing nowadays.
[23:44] <Myrtti> java, python, php and some places do lisp.
[23:45] <jacobw> form what i've seen its java and java and java
[23:45] <Myrtti> I had to learn php to do my xml course
[23:46] <Myrtti> in the process I ended up making my own flat file CMS
[23:46] <dwatkins> Myrtti: my brother did something similar, still uses it despite the existence of CMSs like Wordpress
[23:46] <dwatkins> or mediawiki, which his is more similar to
[23:47] <mgdm> I'm in the process of moving off a CMS to something that generates flat files
[23:47] <mgdm> (moving from Habari to Jekyll, in case someone cares)
[23:53] <Oli> Anybody know where I can find some brilliant white Cat5e cable? Preferably without printing on, so I can just nail it to the top of the skirting board and not have to worry about needing [or wanting] to paint over it?
[23:59] <directhex> you can learn to program from the bottom, or the top. most people these days start with highest-level choices like python, then let people move into lower-level things if they wish. nobody sane starts with assembler in 2011.


[07:28] <andyrock> good morning
[07:38] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[07:39] <andyrock> hey seb, triaging some bugs before start the proper work :D
[07:39] <andyrock> you?
[07:44] <seb128> andyrock, I'm good thanks!
[07:45] <seb128> andyrock, any annoying issue in the recent reports?
[07:45] <andyrock> the nautilus one seems to be the most recurrent
[07:45] <seb128> andyrock, did you manage to fix the gnome-menus one btw?
[07:45] <andyrock> seb128: nope, i still get empty results some time
[07:46] <seb128> :-(
[07:46] <andyrock> or incomplete
[07:46] <seb128> we should maybe ask desrt to have a look/review your changes in case she sees something missing?
[07:47] <andyrock> i don't think the remaining problems are in gmenu
[07:47] <andyrock> now the problem is in libunity
[07:47] <andyrock> and it's way to cache desktop entries
[07:47] <andyrock> *its
[07:48] <seb128> does the gmenu fix improves things even if not perfect?
[07:48] <seb128> or does it trigger the libunity one?
[07:51] <andyrock> well sometimes you get the new app with the correct icon but no text
[07:52] <andyrock> sometimes you get the new app with the default icon
[07:52] <seb128> :-/
[07:56] <seb128> andyrock, do you plan on debugging that one as well or did you move to something else?
[07:56] <andyrock> i'll work on it
[07:56] <andyrock> maybe i'll take a couple of days away from it
[07:57] <andyrock> but not more :D
[07:59] <seb128> k
[08:04] <Laney> yo
[08:08] <seb128> oh, it's already 10am
[08:08] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke :-)
[08:14] <seb128> how is u.k today?
[08:15] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:15] <Laney> it is raining!
[08:15] <seb128> :-(
[08:15] <Laney> alllllllllllllLLLLllLLLLllLLLlllLLLl day
[08:15] <seb128> it's grey with a few drops here
[08:15] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng5
[08:15] <seb128> but it was nice yesterday evening
[08:15] <seb128> had fun playing tennis!
[08:16] <Laney> nice
[08:16] <Laney> what a great sport that is
[08:16] <seb128> lol
[08:17] <Laney> i just watched house of cards last night
[08:17] <Laney> /o\
[08:18]  * thumper is watching house of cards too
[08:18] <thumper> but only on season one
[08:18] <thumper> o/ seb128
[08:18] <seb128> hey thumper!
[08:18] <seb128> how are you?
[08:18] <thumper> pretty busy
[08:18] <thumper> sprint prep for next week
[08:18] <thumper> still doing juju stuff
[08:19] <thumper> I'm still holding out hopes that one day we'll have an all hands again
[08:19] <seb128> that would be nice
[08:20] <seb128> Laney, you fixed the lightdm test issue? was it a gnome-keyring one?
[08:22] <Laney> yeah going to submit it soon
[08:26] <seb128> great
[09:25] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=gstreamer-vaapi
[09:25] <seb128> Laney, which one should be rejected?
[09:26] <Laney> WOAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:26] <seb128> unsure why pitti didn't approve the oldest one when he got all the other gstreamer packages in?
[09:26] <Laney> either of them
[09:28] <seb128> done
[09:28] <seb128> kept the oldest one so if people start by what is waiting longer they get it to it first ;-)
[09:31] <willcooke> does that package provide accel. video playback for totem?
[09:31] <seb128> does totem do that?
[09:31] <seb128> oh, you mean vaapi
[09:31] <seb128> it's supposed to
[09:31] <willcooke> well, I figure totem uses a gstreamer pipeline
[09:31] <willcooke> yeah
[09:31] <seb128> that's the one we played with in the past
[09:31]  * willcooke installs
[09:32] <seb128> but there were issues IIRC
[09:32] <seb128> let us know if it works for you
[09:32] <willcooke> if it's "not broken" now, would *love* to seed that in 16.10
[09:32] <willcooke> s/seed/put it in the image by default
[09:33] <seb128> but
[09:33] <seb128> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762579
[09:33] <seb128> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=820181
[09:33] <willcooke> grr
[09:33] <willcooke> :)
[09:33] <willcooke> never easy
[09:34] <seb128> yeah :-/
[09:34] <seb128> we have been there in the past
[09:34] <seb128> I think we discussed that in Washington?
[09:34] <willcooke> :) yeah
[09:34] <seb128> the first of those bugs has some detals
[09:34] <seb128> details
[09:34] <seb128> and a gst command line that you can probably try to see if that works
[09:35] <willcooke> I'll put it on my list and try and give it a go later on
[09:35] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[09:35] <seb128> yw!
[09:36] <willcooke> willcooke, grep gstreamer accel totem gst vaapi ^
[09:36] <willcooke> seb128, so that's going in to proposed, and will be generally available in a weekish?
[09:36] <seb128> the 1.8.0->1.8.1 update yes
[09:37] <seb128> bug #1575152
[10:42] <tjaalton> huh, vaapi doesn't break totem here
[10:42] <tjaalton> not since 15.10
[10:44] <tjaalton> it should work fine in 16.04 too
[10:44] <tjaalton> and does for me (intel)
[10:56] <willcooke> tjaalton, nice, I'll try it
[10:56] <willcooke> tjaalton, and does it actually work?
[10:56] <tjaalton> willcooke: seems to
[10:56] <willcooke> super
[10:56]  * willcooke tries it
[11:23] <seb128> tjaalton, willcooke, great, we should resume the MIR then (after checking that it actually works/make a difference)
[11:59] <Laney> man
[11:59] <Laney> go to gnome-system-monitor -> file systems
[11:59] <Laney> U G L Y you ain't got no alibi
[12:03]  * Laney lunch
[12:03] <seb128> :-/
[12:03] <seb128> Laney, enjoy!
[13:23] <willcooke> Laney, the unfilled progress bars?
[13:23] <willcooke> Laney, it's something to do with the .views class (or .view)
[13:23] <willcooke> if I turn that off in the inspect, everything goes back to normal
[13:23] <willcooke> but I can't work out what's doing it
[13:23] <willcooke> it's the same in other apps too
[13:24] <willcooke> unsurprisingly
[13:26] <seb128> it doesn't look weird here
[13:26] <seb128> unsure what issue you see
[13:26] <seb128> oh, it does on ambiance
[13:26] <willcooke> ahhhhhhhhhh
[13:26] <willcooke> iiiiinnteresting
[13:26] <seb128> yeah
[13:45] <Sweet5hark> hmmm, remind me: does errors.ubuntu.com include ppa versions these days or not? it used to, then it didnt -- dunno about right now.
[13:59] <seb128> Sweet5hark, check with bdmurray, I've no idea ... I think it does but I'm unsure
[14:19] <Laney> Trevinho: if you're out of the sea
[14:19] <Laney> did your nautilus patch fix things or is it cleanup?
[14:27] <Trevinho> Laney: it's a lake... And an artificial one, so no real nautilus around :-)
[14:27] <Laney> hoho
[14:27] <Trevinho> Laney: but... Which patch?
[14:27] <Laney> signals thing
[14:28] <Trevinho> Laney: ah... right.. .I forgot about that (I was just checking my lp :))
[14:29] <Trevinho> Laney: well, I thought it could fix stuff, but... it seems it doesn't. It's something else
[14:29] <Trevinho> Laney: however, it's a nice to have
[14:29] <Laney> ok, I can merge it but I won't bother to upload
[14:29] <Laney> just pick it up next time
[14:31] <Trevinho> yeah, that's fine
[14:31] <Trevinho> For some reason, in some scenarios the ups settings aren't picked up by nautilus when launched by gnom-sessinon. It works when we use upstart for that.
[14:32] <Trevinho> I think that's somewhat a race... Like nautilus expects ups to be already there, while instead is not loaded yuet
[14:32] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[14:32] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[14:32] <seb128> how are you?
[14:32] <seb128> having fun at a lake? ;-)
[14:34] <Trevinho> seb128: well... it's cloudy... But it's relaxing to have something nice to watch when heading up from the code.
[14:34] <seb128> :-)
[14:42] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, saw https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/07bfd867f2151c746effac240cc1e406c22e5d70 ? that seems an unity segfault that started in xenial
[14:43]  * Trevinho checks
[14:43] <seb128> bug #1580211
[14:44] <seb128> bug #1580212 as well
[14:45]  * Trevinho blames himself for the switcher model rewrite :-P
[14:45] <Laney> you little horror
[14:45] <seb128> haha
[14:47] <Trevinho> Laney: don't be so hard... I generally fix things... generally :)
[14:49] <Trevinho> oh, well I didn't change that thouhg
[14:49] <andyrock> XD
[14:49] <andyrock> Not at home right now
[14:49] <andyrock> I ll check later
[14:50] <seb128> andyrock, no hurry, thanks
[15:15] <seb128> Trevinho knows his stack, fix already up for review!
[15:15] <willcooke> :)
[15:17] <Trevinho> :-)
[15:24] <Sweet5hark> desktoppers: Are the gtk snapcraft repos to be found somewhere? Just wanna check that stuff out, if you did something fancy that I missed ...
[15:25]  * Laney is suspicious
[15:26] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/255949588/brasero_3.12.1-1ubuntu2_3.12.1-1ubuntu3.diff.gz about that
[15:28] <seb128> Laney, what about it?
[15:28] <seb128> Sweet5hark, no, I don't think anyone looked at that ... also is there a point doing a snap of a library? we only looked at application so far I think
[15:30] <seb128> Laney, there were similar fixes on other component, e.G https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-calendar/commit/?id=4e735ef3cef514a7fda1e5b94cd64941dbd2507d
[15:30] <willcooke> meeting time
[15:30] <Laney> glib does it if you use AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT
[15:31] <seb128> Laney, I expect the fix was mostly "rebuild in universe so .mo are distributed"
[15:31] <seb128> though the code fix might be needed as well
[15:31] <Laney> it is not needed
[15:31] <Laney> or should not be
[15:31] <seb128> I didn't check but it didn't seem crazy
[15:31] <seb128> k
[15:31] <seb128> so I guess it was the rebuild that did it
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, I mean those gnome apps: gedit etc.
[15:31] <seb128> Sweet5hark, https://code.launchpad.net/~jdstrand/+junk/gnome-calculator
[15:32] <Laney> https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/tree/m4macros/glib-gettext.m4#n259
[15:32] <seb128> is the one we did in Prague
[15:32] <willcooke> let me know when you're done and I will start the meeting, don't want to interupt though
[15:32] <seb128> sorry
[15:32] <Sweet5hark> seb128: thx
[15:32] <Laney> my bad
[15:32] <seb128> I think we can start
[15:32] <willcooke> ok
[15:32] <willcooke> thanks
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-10
[15:32] <willcooke> me
[15:32] <willcooke> forgotten how to meeting
[15:32] <willcooke> #startmeeting  Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-10
[15:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 10 15:32:44 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:32] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, attente (sprint), desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:33] <qengho> yo.
[15:33]  * Sweet5hark waves frantically
[15:33] <desrt> hello
[15:33] <happyaron> hello
[15:34]  * desrt has to leave soonish
[15:34] <desrt> (ie: i cannot stay the whole hour)
[15:34] <willcooke> desrt, lets start with you and if andyrock is around in a mo, we can come back
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:34] <willcooke> I think we'll be quick today, with UOS and that
[15:34] <desrt> short week on account of a very nice trip to the mosel river wine-growing region of germany
[15:35] <desrt> mostly minor patch reviewing, and did a release
[15:35] <Laney> what a quality release it is
[15:35] <desrt> will continue on settings backend work this week -- i got a review on the branch, which is nice
[15:35] <desrt> Laney: something gone wrong? :(
[15:36] <Laney> dunno, didn't look yet
[15:36]  * Laney just missed packaging glib
[15:36] <desrt> :)
[15:36] <desrt> well, enjoy
[15:36] <desrt> eof.
[15:36] <andyrock> I m here
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:36]  * seb128 can feel the positive vibe from Laney ;-)
[15:36] <andyrock> # worked on the bug about new installed apps not appearing in the dash
[15:37] <andyrock> # bug triaging
[15:37] <andyrock> # start to look at a problem with blender and window resizing
[15:37] <andyrock> #eof
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:38] <dgadomski> hey
[15:38] <dgadomski> * I spent some time debugging Samba regeressions introduced by 4.3.8 - fortunately most of them have been fixed by a quick 4.3.9 update - waiting for input related to samba with kerberos auth
[15:38] <dgadomski> * investigating a touchscreen calibration issue - will prepare a lp bug for that
[15:38] <dgadomski> eof
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic FJKong_
[15:40] <willcooke> time out coming...
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:40] <happyaron> hey
[15:41] <happyaron> Mostly getting familiar to current status of network-manager, looking at the bug list, testing existing components, making some updates, etc
[15:41] <happyaron> over
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks happyaron
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:41] <willcooke> - Tuesday - Monday: on holidays
[15:41] <willcooke> - Today:
[15:41] <willcooke> 1) submitted the fixes for the scale and expo plugins:
[15:41] <willcooke> *
[15:41] <willcooke> https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.scale-bottomYoffset/+merge/293123
[15:41] <willcooke> *
[15:41] <willcooke> https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.scale-launcher-at-the-bottom/+merge/293124
[15:41] <willcooke> 2) setup xenial, profiling tools on a vm, started some experiments, also
[15:41] <willcooke> installed windows in another vm (but it seems that it's not very
[15:41] <willcooke> realistic to try to debug ubuntu on a vm inside a windows vm) :p
[15:41] <willcooke> 3) I'm looking at the code that damages regions/rectangles in unityshell
[15:41] <willcooke> - I think it needs some fixes
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:42] <Laney> have a weird feeling I forgot some stuff in this
[15:42] <Laney> • week of doing preliminary stuff
[15:42] <Laney> • appstream:
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ Get local mirrors set up so that I can test fixes to appstream-dep11 and also bring up the new appstream generator (systemd timer units! woo!)
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ Set up backups and initial nagios checks
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ Unstick the instance
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ Discuss work to transition to new generator (handling existing data, freezing suites)
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ Talk about problems with some repos which make appstream not update its stuff, needs fixing on the repos and maybe apt too - it could consider a success anything which isn't a fatal error
[15:42] <Laney> • Build a package of gtk 3.20 to see what breaks
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ nautilus background rendering; there are some patches from Alberts upstream & in 3.20 but they don't fix it - you get a white background instead (Trevinho you could look at that if you are free at some point)
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ much theme stuff
[15:42] <Laney> ∘ unity-greeter looks bad, try to start looking at that
[15:42] <Laney> ‣ then notice that lightdm --test-mode doesn't work which involved a fix to gnome-keyring
[15:42] <Laney> • gnome-keyring from jhbuild doesn't build, fix that too!
[15:42] <Laney> • patch pilot
[15:42] <Laney> 𔘇
[15:43] <willcooke> blimey!  thanks a lot Laney
[15:43] <Laney> it's all small stuff
[15:43] <Laney> but yw ;-)
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:43] <qengho> * Completely drank desrt's GPG kool-aid.
[15:43] <qengho> * Chromium v50 release testing.
[15:43] <qengho> **  Trusty _uniquely_ is broken. I will need help from a C++ compiler expert, I think.
[15:44] <qengho> **  Adding appstream data, yo. Patching upstream to generate it too.
[15:44] <qengho> * Snaps
[15:44] <qengho> ** Chromium snap SIGILL progress.
[15:44] <qengho> ** Booting up a Pandaboard I inheritied.
[15:44] <qengho> EOF
[15:44] <desrt> qengho: hope it was tasty =)
[15:44] <qengho> Yum.
[15:44] <desrt> (also: ignore the strange thoughts in your head.  they're probably nothing.)
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:45] <seb128> • shorter week, thursday was an holiday (though I ended up working half of the day thanks to next item...)
[15:45] <seb128> • UOS
[15:45] <seb128> • launchpad/e.u.c bugs triage, LTS status seems mostly good though some polish/bugfix is still going to be welcome
[15:45] <seb128> • SRUs: accountsservice unwanted auth prompts, file-roller stable update
[15:45] <seb128> • some sponsoring
[15:45] <seb128> • helped to verify some of the proposed xenial SRUs
[15:45] <seb128> • reviewed some u-s-d changes from the oem team which need work, discussed the issue with them a bit more then
[15:45] <seb128> • looked at/fixed a missing translation template issue for the touch team

[15:46] <desrt> seb128: did you end up just changing the auth to an unconditional one?
[15:46] <seb128> desrt, yes
[15:46] <desrt> good
[15:46] <seb128> thanks for the input on that :-)
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:46] <seb128> in a first iteration I had changed it to allow unactive session
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - short week
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - watched some UOS
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - bumped 5.0.6/wily to PPA (5.0 now EOL upstream)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - bumped 5.1.3/xenial to PPA (to be released as final this week by upstream)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - some code review upstream
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - had to make sure upstream does an 5.0.6 respin for the openssl CVE, coordinate stuff
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - various backlog after sprint: various admin pieces
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:47] <willcooke> * Some bug fixes relating to a BrlTTy which I SRUed during the sprint and is now in updates.
[15:47] <willcooke> * Started working out plans and approach to unity panel service accessibility refactor.
[15:47] <willcooke> * Worked with Debian to get new alsa components ready for upload there, will merge/sync once they are in Debian.
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - OpenPrinting Summit 2016
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2016: Guide students to get started with their projects
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter, glad to hear the summit was a success, lets sync on Thursday
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:48] <Trevinho> · unity-settings-daemon: fixed resuming of keyboard backlight
[15:48] <Trevinho> · unity-settings-daemon: implementing org.freedesktop.screensaver API properly
[15:48] <Trevinho> · Fixed terminal resizing issue, using a "workaround" not to break APIs (but not breaking anything)
[15:48] <Trevinho> · Fixed upstart not properly registering environment variables for DBus activation
[15:48] <Trevinho> · Fixed switcher crash
[15:48] <Trevinho> · Some code cleanups
[15:48] <Trevinho>  /EOF
[15:49] <willcooke> great, thanks Trevinho
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:49] <willcooke> - Started upstream process for XMir
[15:49] <willcooke> - Working on paid app support in GNOME Software (for snaps)
[15:49] <willcooke> - Updated some GNOME packages in Yakkety
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic willcooke
[15:49] <willcooke> * UOS
[15:49] <willcooke> * Met with new Recruitment chap based in London re: open recs
[15:49] <willcooke> * Reviewed Crisis docs
[15:49] <willcooke> * Tracking down why NFS mounts aren't auto mounting anymore
[15:49] <willcooke> * Playing with themes to see if I can work out why progress bars aren't filled in
[15:49] <willcooke> * Wondering what NASA are going to announce later on. Hope it's aliens.
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[15:50] <willcooke> Anyone got anything they want to raise?
[15:50] <FJKong_> willcooke: hey hey
[15:50] <willcooke> Plan on resuming 1:1s next week fwiw
[15:50] <FJKong_> coming...
[15:50] <willcooke> hey FJKong_
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic FJKong_
[15:50] <FJKong_> sorry for late,
[15:50] <FJKong_> not much to update because I moved my house last week and wait for applying for new network.
[15:50] <FJKong_> basically all work around sogou pinyin.
[15:50] <FJKong_> that's all
[15:50] <willcooke> thanks FJKong_ , congrats on the new place
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:50] <willcooke> AOBs?
[15:51] <willcooke> going once
[15:51] <willcooke> twice
[15:52] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 10 15:52:01 2016 UTC.
[15:52] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-05-10-15.32.moin.txt
[15:52] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:52] <seb128> thanks!
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> supersonic meeting awesomeness.
[15:53] <seb128> willcooke, was the NFS issue a bug or a config issue on your side?
[15:53] <willcooke> seb128, still not worked it out yet, I /think/ it's a systemd bug
[15:53] <willcooke> mount -a doesn't work
[15:53] <willcooke> individual mounting works fine
[15:54] <willcooke> so fstab is correct
[15:54] <willcooke> and nfs is working properly etc
[15:54] <willcooke> could be gvfs related???
[15:55] <willcooke> hrm, scrap that
[15:55] <willcooke> looks like progress
[15:55] <willcooke> mount points are showing as mounted in "mount", but they're not really mounted
[15:55] <willcooke> cd ..
[15:55] <willcooke> oosp
[15:56] <willcooke> ahhh
[15:56] <willcooke> ecrypt
[15:57] <seb128> mount is lying to you?
[15:57] <seb128> that's weird
[15:57] <willcooke> dont remember encrypting my home directory, that was very good of me
[15:57] <willcooke> I think I know what's going on now, speaking out loud about it suddenly it becomes clear
[15:57] <seb128> :-)
[15:57] <qengho> willcooke:  systemctl status \*.mount
[15:58] <qengho> fg
[16:55] <mitya57> andyrock, hi, do you have a link to that bug about new applications not appearing you mentioned?
[16:55] <mitya57> I looked at a similar bug myself some time ago and filed gnome #764277 for that…
[16:57] <andyrock> lp:1506744
[17:02] <mitya57> thanks, so yes it's the same bug
[17:13] <Laney> byeeee
[17:15] <seb128> Laney, have a nice evening!
[17:21] <seb128> Laney, did you mean to move the "get a standing SRU exception for snappy" to done? was that discussed anywhere where I missed it?
[17:21] <attente> seb128: hey, do you remember what you did to get the menus working in the gnome calculator snap? was it anything more than setting the GTK_PATH to the correct directory for u-g-m?
[17:23] <seb128> attente, we included unity-gtk3-module in the snap and had to set the GIO_MODULE_DIR
[17:23] <seb128> iirc
[17:23] <seb128> + shipping the gio static cache
[17:24] <seb128> sorry, ignore the gio things
[17:24] <seb128> just GTK_PATH and shipping u-g-m I think
[17:24] <attente> ok. yeah, we've done that, but i'm not sure why it's not working
[17:24] <attente> it's a gtk 2 app though
[17:25] <attente> but it works with the archive version
[17:25] <seb128> you are shipping the gtk2 u-g-m right? ;-)
[17:25] <seb128> what app is that?
[17:26] <attente> lol. *checks*, yes ;)
[17:26] <attente> keepassx
[17:26] <attente> oh...
[17:26] <attente> lol
[17:26] <attente> never mind
[17:26] <seb128> what was it? ;-)
[17:26] <attente> it's not a gtk app at all.. hahah
[17:26] <attente> we only used the libgtk2.0-0 staged package for the theme
[17:26] <seb128> lol
[17:27] <seb128> that would explain
[17:27] <seb128> hope the sprint is going well!
[17:27] <seb128> who is working with you on that?
[17:27] <attente> it's great here seb128. getting to room with didrocks again :D
[17:27] <seb128> :-)
[17:28] <attente> i'm here with elopio right now
[17:28] <seb128> say hello from me
[17:28] <seb128> k
[17:28] <attente> will do
[17:28] <seb128> thanks!
[18:35] <willcooke> night all


[15:24] <myrtlebeachbums-> akgraner - Heads up. i'm on the road and won't be able to get ITP in until probably 1PM reastern
[16:33] <nigelbabu> can someone put https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-May/030748.html on the fridge?
[16:35] <nigelbabu> pleia2: ^ ?
[17:24] <johnc4510> nigelbabu, i'll get it up later today....working on the new issue of the UWN right now....I'll include it in that too
[17:25] <nigelbabu> johnc4510: thank you :)
[17:26] <johnc4510> np
[18:12] <johnc4510> nigelbabu, it's up on the fridge now http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[18:13] <nigelbabu> johnc4510: thank you thank you!
[18:13] <nigelbabu> johnc4510: can you link up the links with a href?
[18:46] <johnc4510> looking
[18:47] <johnc4510> nigelbabu, yeah, i should have caught that
[18:47] <johnc4510> i'll do it now
[18:47] <nigelbabu> thank you :)
[18:48] <johnc4510> sundays are very busy for me with the UWN going out
[18:49] <akgraner> nigelbabu, he is super busy today - b/c of my flight craziness
[18:49] <nigelbabu> you folks need help?
[18:49] <akgraner> johnc4510, and tyche are having to do some of my stuff :-(
[18:51] <johnc4510> nigelbabu, check it now...links are hot
[18:51] <nigelbabu> johnc4510: no, actually I meant putting the link on where its referred
[18:54] <johnc4510> nigelbabu, this link? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-May/030748.html
[18:55] <johnc4510> it's in the "here" in the last line
[18:55] <johnc4510> the here is hot
[18:58] <johnc4510> nigelbabu, ping ^^^^^
[18:59] <nigelbabu> hold on, I'll tell you what I meant
[19:00] <johnc4510> k
[19:00] <nigelbabu> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2010
[19:01] <nigelbabu> see the links are hot in the context of the link
[19:01] <johnc4510> k, i can do that
[19:03] <johnc4510> nigelbabu, ok, done
[19:04] <nigelbabu> johnc4510: *hugs* thank you :)
[19:04] <johnc4510> problem was: i pulled it off the UWN wiki summary and we don't use hotlinks....and i'm swamped at the moment
[19:04] <johnc4510> :)
[19:05] <johnc4510> np
[19:05] <johnc4510> glad to help
[19:05] <nigelbabu> I know, I'm specially happy you did it now :)
[19:05] <johnc4510> np
[21:11] <nhandler> johnc4510: You never added the PlanetUbuntu tag to nigelbabu's post
[21:32] <johnc4510> nhandler, i didn't know he wanted the planet tag....
[21:32] <johnc4510> i'll add it now
[21:32] <nhandler> johnc4510: We pretty much add that for every post we make on the fridge. Without it, most people won't see it
[21:33] <johnc4510> ok, whatever, i just assumed he was blogging it to the planet himself
[21:33] <johnc4510> nhandler, done
[23:20] <nhandler> johnc4510: You forgot the discussion link ;)
[23:27] <johnc4510> right now


[02:56] <azend|vps_> Oh noes! http://imgur.com/gallery/2iaJ3bP
[13:13] <Seven_Six_Two> good morning CDNerds
[13:15] <Seven_Six_Two> oops assumed the wrong country letters. I don't see them often. I guess I should have said CANerds


[03:18] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I found a nice coffee shop for Ubuntu Hour, just need to call them and see if they would be up for it
[21:14] <ahoneybun> Who is in South Florida?
[21:53] <mhall119> you are :)
[23:08] <ahoneybun> other then me XD


[00:02] <SlidingHorn> inb4 Rixter comes back in an hour complaining that Opera isn't installed after reboot
[00:15] <oerheks> wait, it does not stick ...
[00:15] <oerheks> SlidingHorn, we just blame nacc
[00:20] <nacc> :)
[01:17] <SlidingHorn> simonizer is one of the contributors in a linux users' discord server - can't remember which one
[01:17] <leftyfb> SPM?
[01:18] <leftyfb> https://github.com/simoniz0r/spm
[01:18] <leftyfb> oh, linux users
[01:18] <SlidingHorn> same guy though
[01:19] <leftyfb> yep
[01:19] <SlidingHorn> I actually left that discord a couple days ago by accident and couldn't find a link to get back :/
[01:21] <leftyfb> I tried discord, too millennial for me :)
[01:21] <SlidingHorn> I needed a discord server for my Twitch stream
[01:22] <oerheks> i see lots of bugreports about certificates..
[01:22] <daftykins> isn't that only once you get popular :>
[01:23] <SlidingHorn> well, define "popular"  lol - got to being an affiliat
[01:23] <daftykins> hrmm dunno, 100 viewers regularly?
[01:24] <SlidingHorn> that's pretty rare, honestly
[01:24]  * oerheks is populair by birth
[01:24] <daftykins> i know some minor folk with maybe 40+ regularly
[01:25] <SlidingHorn> I haven't been able to stream at all lately so my server's dropped in population quite a bit...was regularly around 50 folks online
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:07] <EriC^^> morning all
[05:10] <SlidingHorn> morning EriC^^
[05:57] <lordievader> Good morning
[05:58] <daftykins> \o
[05:59] <lordievader> Hey daftykins
[05:59] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:00] <daftykins> not too bad thanks :D all well with yourself?
[06:03] <SlidingHorn> interesting thing re: the Skype snap situation in main - In my software center (using 18.04 Studio) the version he ended up installing is what's available.  On the snapcraft.io website, the 8.20... version he originally installed is what's listed.
[06:03] <daftykins> which is newer? i can't follow along :>
[06:04] <SlidingHorn> the one in my software center is 8.22....
[06:04] <lordievader> Doing good here 😁
[06:05] <daftykins> i'm currently still amused by having taken a pair of scissors to my previously long hair, just earlier
[06:05] <lordievader> Sometimes it is good to cut it short.
[06:05] <ducasse> good morning
[06:06] <daftykins> \o
[06:06] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:06] <lordievader> How are you?
[06:10] <ducasse> hi daftykins, lordievader - all well here, thanks. you too, i hope?
[06:11] <SlidingHorn> mornin ducasse
[06:11] <ducasse> i shaved my hair off yesterday, daftykins - ready for summer :)
[06:11] <daftykins> o rly
[06:11] <ducasse> hi SlidingHorn - all well?
[06:11] <daftykins> how much did you have?
[06:11] <daftykins> yip yip all well here, debating what to do for breakfast
[06:12] <SlidingHorn> so far, so good
[06:12] <lordievader> ducasse: Yes, doing good :)
[06:13] <ducasse> daftykins: a few cm, i shave it regularly
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse lordievader
[06:57] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:57] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> fine here received an email about gpdr from my banker lordievader
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> new privacy law
[06:58] <lordievader> Yeah, you almost get a daily gpdr email these days.
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: you understand whats it about in short?
[06:58] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje
[06:59] <ducasse> how are you?
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:00] <lordievader> In short: more control to the user about his data. Sending out privacy data needs to have a valid cause.
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> i see
[07:00] <lordievader> Oh, and lots of stuff is now personal data. If you are able to relate a piece of data back to a person, it is personal data.
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> jesus
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: so i have a blogger with customers database for newsletter, how would this influence me?
[07:01] <lordievader> As a company you need to document what you are storing and why you are storing it.
[07:02] <lordievader> If you can defend why you store something (it is necesary to save an email address for a newsletter, for example) it is okay.
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> if not= big fines
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: so the backdoor out of this, hiding your customers data from online?
[07:03] <lordievader> Don't think that will happen very soon. This new law has been in effect for quite some time... just now they are starting to actually enforce the rules.
[07:04] <lordievader> Hiding? The whole point of gpdr is to make this sort of thing more transparent.
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> right
[07:06] <daftykins> nah GDPR comes into force in a few days
[07:08] <lordievader> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation#Timeline
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> yeah saw the wiki lordievader but seems real complicated
[07:10] <daftykins> ah i should've qualified that with my home being outside of the EU so choosing to do it later, but at the same time as England
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: tnx for the explain
[07:13] <daftykins> pretty horrifying it took 6 years xD
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> i dont like anything european
[07:14] <lordievader> No problem. However, do be sure to read the more official documents if you need a real answer. This might be  half my own interpretation 😋m
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> this always fits in a big brother plan
[07:14] <EriC^> heh
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> they got us first with the euro currency
[07:16] <daftykins> €_€
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> everything 4 times more expensive
[10:05] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:16] <SlidingHorn> mornin BluesKaj
[10:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning SlidingHorn
[10:26] <BluesKaj> was busy doing some banking for a few mins
[10:29] <SlidingHorn> no worries
[10:58] <JimBuntu> morning BluesKaj
[10:59] <BluesKaj> up early as usual
[11:01] <BluesKaj> if I sleep past 6AM it's a bonus :-)
[11:03] <JimBuntu> I woke up at 4, I normally get up by 5 so I didn't see any point in going back to sleep.
[11:04] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:04] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, what do you mean by the  <TAB> in that line?
[12:04] <JimBuntu> press the TAB key
[12:05] <JimBuntu> That's why I added the next line with what it would look like, just in-case.
[12:09] <BluesKaj> ok thanks
[12:57] <BluesKaj> lordievader, funny how some users don't think of a reboot ...if it was windows they probly would since they're so used to having to do so
[12:58] <lordievader> Usually  a reboot ain't necesary in Linux. That said, some computers are strange with their usb ports. Nothing connected at boot means they won't use it or something.... No idea what they are thinking.
[13:10] <leftyfb> lordievader: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/BbRw5ty5ft/
[13:11] <lordievader> leftyfb: Luckily I don't often see those kind of machines 😉
[14:08] <SlidingHorn> pragmaticenigma: really? (about the clock thing)  I found an answer on StackExchange (it *was* for Fedora though..but under gnome)
[14:10] <pragmaticenigma> SlidingHorn: I've seen that same support article, last person I recommended it to, it had no effect on their install.
[14:11] <SlidingHorn> pragmaticenigma: guess it worked for them :/
[14:12] <pragmaticenigma> yep... weird
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> I'll update my notes :-)
[14:39] <leftyfb> kiriuha has been joining and posting garbage for a while now
[14:39] <leftyfb> since the beginning of the month
[14:41] <leftyfb> also, what's this client? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/8bXXpyCRMx/
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> what client leftyfb ... I see what appears to be a list of handles.. not user agents
[14:43] <leftyfb> look at the idents and a good portion of the nick names
[14:43] <leftyfb> ~u0_XXX
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> A reason that the #ubuntu channel should really start requiring nick registration is what I think it means
[14:44] <leftyfb> actually, ~u0_aXXX
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> possibly their all masked?
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> *they're
[14:45] <leftyfb> that would cut down on the garbage, but it would also exclude a lot people legitimately looking for help
[14:45] <leftyfb> if they're masked, they're all masked the same way, I'm assuming the same client
[14:46] <pragmaticenigma> I guess I don't know enough about IRC to make an educated guess. If that's from the main room... I would assume one of the freenode servers is doing something odd
[14:47] <leftyfb> nope
[14:47] <leftyfb> Freenode doesn't do tha
[14:47] <leftyfb> that*
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> magic and voodoo then
[14:50] <leftyfb> this is the only thing anyone with the nick u0_a* has ever said https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/DTQfxM7sSD/
[14:50] <leftyfb> it's all garbage
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> what channel are you in that you see that?
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> i don't see any of those handles
[14:51] <leftyfb> it's all #ubuntu
[14:51] <leftyfb> look at the timestamps
[14:52] <leftyfb> they're all sinch the beginning of the year
[14:52] <leftyfb> since*
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> ah... starting to piece things together... I'm scanning the current list up and down and not seeing any of those
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> now it makes sense when I have a date to associate with the capture
[14:57] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/QzCzNBHN83/
[14:57] <leftyfb> that's every nick that has had u0_a in it's nick/ident and everything they've ever said
[14:57] <leftyfb> looks like they might all be from Russia
[14:58] <leftyfb> ok, maybe not just Russia
[14:58] <leftyfb> but certainly mostly have issues with English
[15:05] <SlidingHorn> leftyfb: there's another one... :/
[15:05] <leftyfb> :)
[15:06] <JimBuntu> great, now they are learning new commands. I was tempted to !ru > them
[15:07] <leftyfb> sorry
[15:07] <SlidingHorn> they're freakin evolving  D:
[15:07] <JimBuntu> pretty slowly though.
[15:08] <SlidingHorn> I mean...they're bots right?  What's their purpose?
[15:08] <leftyfb> they're not bots
[15:09] <SlidingHorn> hm...   Drone got that one on its own
[15:25] <BluesKaj> we had a power interruption so I missed all the fun :/
[15:39] <BluesKaj> the next door neighbour's overgrown cedar hedge grew inti the electrical power distribution box and shorted out the lines connected to it ...think she'll be receiving a hefty bill from the local utility :-)
[15:54]  * SlidingHorn is starting to think IntelCore is bugzie's kin
[15:57] <leftyfb> SlidingHorn: my eye twitched for a moment as well. We'll see
[15:58] <leftyfb> SlidingHorn: I don't think so .. IntelCore has been around for over a year
[15:58] <leftyfb> same ip since January
[16:01] <SlidingHorn> how do you get that so easily?
[16:01] <leftyfb> funny, I count 204 questions from IntelCore since exactly 1 year and 2 days ago
[18:33]  * tomreyn just learnt that there is no mirroring infrsatructure for cdimage.ubuntu.com. unfortunately that's where the 'proper' server images are hosted. so better have a local copy in case this (canonical CDN?) goes down.
[19:08] <SlidingHorn> just making sure I don't give the wrong advice here - had the guy nomodeset, install nvidia drivers, and when he rebooted, it still went to black screen & nouveau still loaded.  At this point do I have him blacklist noveau in the grub config?
[19:09] <SlidingHorn> ah Bashing-om to the rescue, thanks :)
[19:13] <Bashing-om> SlidingHorn: Ahw ,, just a tad bit of experience with nvidia drivers :P
[19:45] <SlidingHorn> sorry...inxi is my new favorite tool :P
[19:45] <leftyfb> I keep forgetting it's name :)
[19:51] <Bashing-om> SlidingHorn: By the same author .. check out the revamped pinxi : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2387337 .
[19:52] <leftyfb> pinxi isn't as useful if it's not available in the official repos.
[19:53] <SlidingHorn> oooo...if we can get that released and packaged :P
[19:55] <Bashing-om> SlidingHorn: Yeah, getting pinxi to replace inxi is the goal .
[19:57] <leftyfb> pitty it's not going to be written in bash anymore
[19:57] <leftyfb> that was the impressive part for me
[19:58] <leftyfb> and I always planned to pull it apart to use some of it's data gathering in other scripts
[19:58] <leftyfb> looks like I need to keep a copy of it around for future refernce
[20:01] <Bashing-om> Yeah, been my experience, if ya do not save it - ya loose it ( now just where did I save it at ??)
[20:36] <oerheks> Bashing-om, all his symptoms looks like his machine has reached EOL... i had no issues yesterday installing 1804
[20:36] <oerheks> tomorrow my desktop :-P
[20:39] <Bashing-om> oerheks: well, like this .. I installed 18.04's beta ubuntu and no issues, played with wayland - impressive . Installed xubuntu-core for testing and never went back to 16.04 . the core install is now my work horse .
[21:03] <SlidingHorn> leftyfb: is there somewhere you pulled all that info from other than the log site?  Did you use some sort of script or something?