[00:09] <mhall119> AlanBell: have you made your fortune by spying on Gnome Shell users yet?
[00:13]  * AlanBell checks the piggie bank
[00:23] <AlanBell> I don't appear to have made any money or had any clicks through for several days
[00:24] <daker> hhh
[00:24] <AlanBell> I can see searches are happening
[00:24] <AlanBell> but people are not clicking the results
[00:24] <mhall119> AlanBell: you're not spying enough, have you considered using drones?
[00:25]  * AlanBell would love a drone
[00:41] <mhall119> bkerensa: I'll warn you, I'm in a mood to fight tonight
[01:52] <bkerensa> mhall119: in that case perhaps a discussion on gun control or platinum coins in a half hour? ;)
[02:41] <mhall119> we'd agree too much on one, and the other just isn't going to happen
[02:42]  * mhall119 leaves it as an exercise to the reader to determine which is which
[08:36] <Tm_T> mhall119: awww
[08:56] <czajkowski> bkerensa: wow flame bate post or what!
[08:57] <bkerensa> czajkowski: its pretty valid
[08:57] <czajkowski> A patch doesn't have to be accepted at all
[08:58] <czajkowski> just seemms like a post to get people to your site for traffic tbh
[09:02] <bkerensa> No its more about defending user choice
[09:02] <bkerensa> A patch does not have to be accepted
[09:03] <philipballew> these logs provide for some good late night reading!
[09:03]  * philipballew sits down and grabs a cup of coffee
[09:04] <bkerensa> philipballew:  ;)
[09:04] <czajkowski> meh I have work to do
[09:04] <philipballew> im always down to discuss anything with  bkerensa.
[09:04] <philipballew> czajkowski, its already my weekend
[09:04] <czajkowski> not getting drawn into such a debate - it is what it is.
[09:05] <philipballew> I thought I had a Wednesday/Friday class, but turns out it starts in march. Only found out after I sat in the classroom for 30 minutes Wednesday wondering why nobody was there...
[16:28] <jcastro> ah nuts, those links were in my hangout chat
[16:29] <jcastro> can you paste the theme links in here? sorry. :-/
[16:32] <dpm> mhall119, I think that one's for you ^
[16:38] <balloons> yay, hangout stayed up for the whole convo ;-)
[16:41] <mhall119> jcastro: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickly/quickly/reboot/files/head:/docs/source/themes/ubuntu/
[16:41] <mhall119> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickly/quickly/reboot/view/head:/docs/source/conf.py#L94
[16:42] <mhall119> it would be nice to get a hangout transcript after they end


[00:34] <mmikowski> RikMills: Got it. I'll see if I can hack the qml.
[00:38] <mmikowski> RikMills: Argh, spoke to soon: no qml. We'll see ...
[00:40] <mmikowski> ok found it. Will see if I can fix.
[08:42] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230629.1)
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[22:16] <RikMills[m]> https://www.webpronews.com/linux-distro-review-kubuntu/
[22:33] <mmikowski> RikMills[m]: Nice! I think we should add a link to the kfocus landing page. Might also be good on the Kubuntu.org site. I also like the point about the default email client. We support that here too (https://kfocus.org/wf/email). I completely agree about kdepim, and I used it for 10 years.
[22:34] <mmikowski> Also, made some progress on the Samba installer; looking at the qml from the source.
 Yeah, I love kde, but when something like PIM is a bad user experience, I feel no shame give a better deafult
 Even Neon defaults to VLC for a media player and Firefox for browser
 Kubuntu is just taking that pragmatic attitude a step further
[22:54] <mmikowski> Indeed, that's why we went with Kubuntu Focus - pragmatic defaults that people could use as a daily driver.
[22:55] <mmikowski> RikMills[m]: Indeed, that's why we went with Kubuntu - pragmatic defaults that people could rely on as a daily driver.
[22:56] <mmikowski> We couldn't support KDE pim - sadly, too many issues, even though it was enormously powerful.
 That is why we dropped it also. The inevitable slew off issues on each new release was too much. Plus they just disregard any ABI breakage policy for KDE or distros, so each new release is a packager  minor nightmare to support in the default set of installed package
 s/minor/maintainer
[23:06] <mmikowski> That's something to consider for their LTS releases too :)
[23:08] <mmikowski> I just put this together, and I think it's the best synopsis of where Kubuntu and Focus adds value for customers: https://www.quora.com/Which-laptop-brand-is-best-suited-for-Linux-distribution-for-development/answer/Mike-Mikowski-1
 Looks good, but too much to digest tonight at midnight. Sadly I have a funeral to get to tomorrow so should sign off
[23:11] <mmikowski> Certainly RikMills[m]. Best wishes to you. I'll drop that to your directly for review whenever you want.
[23:12] <mmikowski> good night.


[05:10] <ruru> Hi, I want to change something in the UPower configuration files that are supposed to be in /org/freedesktop/UPower, but there is no directory /org. But X.org is installed (1.1.1)?
[05:10] <ruru> *1.15.1
[05:19] <krytarik> ruru: That's a D-Bus object path, rather than a file system one: http://upower.freedesktop.org/docs/UPower.html - and X.Org isn't related to that at all.
[16:10] <OnTheRoadAgain> Hey there!
[16:11] <Roadtripper> Hey there! Is there a way that I can make my wallpaper change to a different picture from /r/earthporn every hour or day?
[16:22] <redwolf> Roadtripper, the only solution is using a wallpaper changer
[16:23] <redwolf> I recommend you to use Wallc, it's in the repository and fully compatible with Lubuntu
[16:23] <redwolf> *sorry, Walch
[16:24] <Roadtripper> So I'd have to download a bunch of images, put them in a folder, and use them?
[16:25] <Roadtripper> Hmm
[16:25] <Roadtripper> I got an error
[16:25] <Roadtripper> Are there any screenshot applications for Linux, like lightshot?
[16:26] <Roadtripper> TheSchaf Howdy
[16:27] <redwolf> you should have scrot installed in Lubuntu, anyway there're plenty screenshooters
[16:28] <Roadtripper> Are there any that give you a link instantly to share online?
[16:28] <redwolf> yes, shutter can do that
[16:28] <redwolf> and screencloud used to work fine, uploading to imgur and more using plugins, but its development is discontinued
[16:28] <redwolf> here's a list: https://askubuntu.com/questions/6558/what-screenshot-tools-are-available
[16:29] <Roadtripper> Installing Shutter
[16:29] <redwolf> :)
[16:30] <redwolf> oh and yes, Wallch can use a folder source to pick up some images from it
[16:31] <Roadtripper> Thank you so much
[16:31] <Roadtripper> You are all so kind
[16:31] <redwolf> you're welcome :)
[16:31] <Roadtripper> Why do you do this? :)
[16:32] <redwolf> well, I don't know, some helped me a few times, I think people deserves care
[16:32] <redwolf> we have to help each other
[16:33] <Roadtripper> Wow
[16:33] <Roadtripper> What is your job?
[16:33] <redwolf> I'm a graphic designer
[16:33] <redwolf> that's why I'm taking care of the graphic "issues" of Lubuntu, and helping about desktop things
[16:34] <Roadtripper> Woooaah
[16:34] <Roadtripper> I kind of want to be a graphic designer
[16:34] <Roadtripper> I've always liked it
[16:34] <Roadtripper> Especially vexilollogy
[16:35] <redwolf> looks nice! symbols are always fascinating
[16:36] <Roadtripper> Yes, I'm a big fan of the Noun Project
[16:36] <redwolf> O.o I don't know that one
[16:37] <Roadtripper> Check it out
[16:37] <Roadtripper> thenounproject.com
[16:37] <Roadtripper> They're basically a collection of icons and symbols. Their philosophy is that symbols can be understood by anyone, thus they are creating a universal language.
[16:37] <redwolf> oh yes, I saw that site once
[16:38] <Roadtripper> May I see some of your graphic design work?
[16:39] <redwolf> you're already doing it, if you're using Lubuntu ;)
[16:39] <redwolf> icons, wallpapers, bitmaps everywhere, toolbars...
[16:39] <redwolf> the whole UI
[16:39] <Roadtripper> No freaking way!
[16:39] <Roadtripper> Wow
[16:39] <redwolf> yup
[16:39] <redwolf> Lubuntu Artwork Team
[16:39] <Roadtripper> I use Radiance by ravefinity, though... ;(
[16:40] <redwolf> it's okay. there're lots of nice icon sets out there! :D
[16:40] <Roadtripper> That's really cool though, man
[16:40] <Roadtripper> What other stuff have you designed? Do you have a website?
[16:41] <redwolf> lately, I'm mainly focused on Lubuntu, and some paper print works in my town
[16:41] <Roadtripper> Sweet
[16:41] <Roadtripper> Do you use lubuntu?
[16:41] <redwolf> yes
[16:42] <redwolf> but I need to have plenty environments, to test the icons and themes everywhere
[16:42] <Roadtripper> Awesome
[16:42] <Roadtripper> I just wish I could get this thing to run a bit better
[16:43] <redwolf> if you need more help with apps or the environment itself, just ask :)
[16:43] <redwolf> we also have some groups in FB and other networks: http://lubuntu.me/social/
[16:44] <Roadtripper> I don't have any social media, I'm afraid xD
[16:45] <Roadtripper> I'm very anti-technology, honestly
[16:45] <redwolf> it's ok :)
[16:45] <Roadtripper> Although, I am an avid redditor...
[16:45] <redwolf> but you can still read Twitter. we have Reddit too
[16:45] <Roadtripper> I like websites that don't require a bunch of information to sign up
[16:45] <redwolf> me neither
[16:45] <Roadtripper> We need afree, open, anonymous internet
[16:46] <redwolf> that will be difficult dealing with cookies, personalised weather and maps, and other dedicated stuff
[16:49] <Roadtripper> package dependecies cannot be resolved
[16:50] <redwolf> installing what?
[16:51] <Roadtripper> brb
[16:51] <redwolf> sure
[16:57] <redwolf> brb
[17:06] <Roadtripper> Hi again!
[17:06] <Roadtripper> Sorry about that
[17:06] <Roadtripper> Had to reboot
[17:09] <Roadtripper> redwolf ?
[17:10] <Roadtripper> I tried to install wallch via terminal but I got this http://imgur.com/BiTMvTI
[17:11] <redwolf> back!
[17:11] <redwolf> Roadtripper, what version of Lubuntu do you use?
[17:11] <Roadtripper> 14.04 lts
[17:12] <redwolf> then please, add this PPA: ppa:wallch/3+
[17:12] <redwolf> sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:wallch/3+
[17:12] <peaceful> Hi, is there a way to make windows to snap in half of screen while dragging?
[17:12] <Roadtripper> Do I type that command before or after?
[17:12] <redwolf> first that "sudo..." command
[17:13] <redwolf> then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wallch"
[17:13] <Roadtripper> What does this do?  "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wallch"
[17:13] <redwolf> peaceful, you are looking for the aerosnap feature. try this: http://lubuntu.me/tips-tricks/
[17:14] <redwolf> Roadtripper, it refreshes your repositories database (needed after adding an external repo) and install the app
[17:14] <peaceful> redwolf, hey does lubuntu have new webpage? looks nice
[17:14] <redwolf> yes. and thanks!
[17:14] <redwolf> :D
[17:14] <redwolf> it's actually the old blog revamped
[17:15] <Roadtripper> Wow, new lubuntu site looks amazing
[17:15] <redwolf> thank you :)
[17:15] <peaceful> redwolf, did you make it?
[17:15] <Roadtripper> redwolf Do you recommend lts or regular?
[17:16] <redwolf> peaceful, yes :)
[17:16] <redwolf> Roadtripper, I always recommend LTS
[17:16] <peaceful> redwolf, nice job :)
[17:16] <redwolf> thank you so much! :D
[17:16] <redwolf> there're lots of hours there
[17:17] <Roadtripper> redwolf nice
[17:17] <Roadtripper> It looks amazing dude
[17:17] <Roadtripper> Really clean
[17:17] <redwolf> that was the idea. uncluttered, clean and easy
[17:17] <peaceful> redwolf, whats better opensnap or aerosnap?
[17:18] <Roadtripper> redwolf What is lubuntu.net/
[17:18] <redwolf> aerosnap works using keyboard and opensnap uses the mouse
[17:18] <Roadtripper> redwolf I installed lubuntu from lubuntu.net, not lubuntu.me
[17:19] <redwolf> Roadtripper, lubuntu.net is still the official site, but as we're focusing on the new site, the .net might be forgotten
[17:19] <Roadtripper> redwolf ah, okay
[17:19] <redwolf> anyway, both take the ISOs from the Ubuntu server
[17:19] <Roadtripper> redwolf sorry to bother you, but what 3 commands do i have to enter in terminal to install wallch?
[17:19] <peaceful> redwolf, oh so you are migrating to lubuntu.me now?
[17:19] <redwolf> peaceful, yes
[17:20] <peaceful> redwolf, lubuntu.me is better :)
[17:20] <redwolf> Roadtripper, don't be sorry. these ones:
[17:20] <redwolf> in one line in a terminal: "sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:wallch/3+ && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wallch"
[17:21] <peaceful> cool
[17:21] <peaceful> i have question about lxqt
[17:21] <redwolf> :)
[17:21] <redwolf> sure. shoot
[17:21] <peaceful> When it will be avaible?
[17:22] <redwolf> we hope it will be available in Lubuntu 16.10, fully operational
[17:22] <peaceful> redwolf, ah ok
[17:22] <redwolf> but we might have a ready-to-work PPA for 16.04
[17:22] <peaceful> so what's better in lxqt? what window manager it uses?
[17:22] <Roadtripper> What is lxqt?
[17:22] <redwolf> you have more information here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt
[17:23] <redwolf> but it's VERY experimental
[17:23] <peaceful> Roadtripper, it has apps based on qt framework
[17:23] <Roadtripper> Is it better?
[17:23] <peaceful> Roadtripper, i believe se
[17:23] <peaceful> so
[17:23] <redwolf> Roadtripper, Lubuntu now is based on LXDE, a GTK desktop. LXQt uses Qt and it's faster
[17:23] <Roadtripper> Better in what way?
[17:23] <Roadtripper> Ah
[17:23] <peaceful> Roadtripper, spotify uses qt
[17:23] <Roadtripper> So my computer will run better with it?
[17:23] <redwolf> and more "modern", as the developments are going to that
[17:23] <peaceful> Roadtripper, yes faster
[17:23] <redwolf> yes
[17:24] <Roadtripper> Will the new lts have it?
[17:24] <peaceful> redwolf, so many apps are being reworked in qt ? :)
[17:24] <redwolf> yes, Roadtripper
[17:24] <redwolf> some are being ported, others will be new
[17:24] <Roadtripper> When the new lts comes out, how do I update?
[17:24] <redwolf> don't worry, your update manager will tell you. or you will be able to download the new ISO for a clean install
[17:24] <Roadtripper> what do you mean clean install?
[17:25] <Roadtripper> Will I have to redo everything, wipe the whole computer? D:
[17:25] <redwolf> installing from a USB or CD, erasing your old system
[17:25] <Roadtripper> Nooo
[17:25] <redwolf> you won't lose anything if you partitioned your hard disk properly. we Linux users, usually, create a system partition and a home partition
[17:25] <redwolf> so you can erase system without losing your data
[17:25] <Roadtripper> I don't understand what that means
[17:26] <peaceful> redwolf, i added opensnap PPA but unfourtunately i got error
[17:26] <peaceful> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/lawl/opensnap/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[17:26] <redwolf> peaceful, maybe the owner of that PPA removed that app
[17:26] <redwolf> I note that to ask him and replace with a working link
[17:26] <redwolf> I can't do much for now until I figure out what's happening
[17:27] <peaceful> redwolf, okay
[17:27] <Roadtripper> redwolf Will there be a way for me to update without changing anything?
[17:27] <redwolf> Roadtripper, if you didn't make partitions, your hard disk in "in one piece". you'll lose everything if you do a clean install
[17:27] <redwolf> so the only way is using the Update Manager. it'll inform you when it's available
[17:27] <Roadtripper> I think it is in one piece
[17:28] <Roadtripper> I don't know
[17:28] <Roadtripper> Can I ask here when the time comes?
[17:28] <redwolf> possibly it is
[17:28] <redwolf> sorry? what time?
[17:28] <Roadtripper> As in, when it comes out
[17:28] <peaceful> redwolf, its seems ok, its not removed
[17:28] <peaceful> https://launchpad.net/~lawl/+archive/ubuntu/opensnap
[17:29] <redwolf> yes, but it's for (L)Ubuntu Raring only, an old version
[17:29] <redwolf> I need to find a new one
[17:29] <peaceful> redwolf, ah ok i see
[17:29] <Roadtripper> redwolf I got this http://i.imgur.com/odALDYb.png when i entered the command
[17:30] <redwolf> that's good for now :)
[17:31] <peaceful> redwolf, i found out that super + arrows work by default in lubuntu :)
[17:32] <redwolf> oh damn. I forgot! :D
[17:32] <redwolf> http://lubuntu.me/tip-areosnap/
[17:32] <redwolf> it's already implemented since 13.10
[17:33] <redwolf> :D
[17:33] <Roadtripper> redwolf did it work?
[17:33] <redwolf> I think so. look in your graphics menu
[17:33] <Roadtripper> Not there :(
[17:33] <peaceful> redwolf, hehe :)
[17:33] <peaceful> redwolf, how can i use this theme? Does openbox support gtk3? http://lubuntu.me/box-theme-0-58/
[17:34] <redwolf> after the last command, what does it say?
[17:34] <redwolf> peaceful, you have to add the Artwork PPA
[17:34] <Roadtripper> 100% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1360:8c01::18)]^[[A^[[B
[17:34] <Roadtripper> That'sthe last one
[17:34] <redwolf> O.o odd
[17:34] <redwolf> open the Lubuntu Software Center and look for it
[17:34] <Roadtripper> I did, that's where I got the error
[17:34] <Roadtripper> I'll show you
[17:35] <redwolf> peaceful, instructions are here: http://lubuntu.me/downloads/#artwork
[17:35] <peaceful> redwolf, yeah i found :) sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-art/daily
[17:36] <redwolf> nice! :)
[17:36] <peaceful> redwolf, really nice webpage
[17:36] <redwolf> thank you :D
[17:36] <peaceful> now with themes downloads, icons, im satisfied ;)
[17:36] <redwolf> good! :D
[17:36] <peaceful> redwolf, do you use lubuntu yoursel?
[17:36] <redwolf> yes
[17:36] <Roadtripper> http://imgur.com/9woDoMP
[17:37] <redwolf> with that PPA, peaceful, you'll have the latest updates. so if I add an icon, you'll have it in a matter of hours
[17:37] <Roadtripper> I got that, redwolf
[17:37] <redwolf> that's very off, Roadtripper
[17:37] <peaceful> redwolf, ok i see. but i didnt see any other ppa there :)
[17:38] <peaceful> redwolf, but im fine with daily
[17:38] <peaceful> i like all the latest stuff
[17:38] <Roadtripper> :(
[17:38] <redwolf> Roadtripper, please, tell me again you Lubuntu version
[17:38] <Roadtripper> peaceful can you show me some screenshots from box theme 0.58? i may use it instead of radiance
[17:38] <Roadtripper> redwolf LTS 14.04
[17:39] <peaceful> Roadtripper, yep when i'll install it i'll share scrnshot
[17:39] <redwolf> Roadtripper, let's clean what we did, one line in a terminal: "sudo add-apt-repository -y --remove ppa:wallch/3+ && sudo apt-get update"
[17:40] <Roadtripper> peaceful thank you, friend
[17:40] <Roadtripper> redwolf okay, doing that now
[17:40] <redwolf> Wallch supports up to Lubuntu 14.04 LTS, this is its website: http://melloristudio.com/wallch/
[17:41] <Roadtripper> redwolf yep
[17:41] <Roadtripper> okay, did that redwolf
[17:41] <Roadtripper> the command
[17:41] <redwolf> okay. then it recommends just "sudo apt-get install wallch" because it's in the repositories
[17:41] <redwolf> I'm testing it in one 14.04 machine now. and it works
[17:42] <Roadtripper> i keep getting this command
[17:42] <Roadtripper> http://i.imgur.com/wDuiXhUl.jpg
[17:42] <Roadtripper> so i can't type anything else
[17:43] <redwolf> no, it's the package manager doing things
[17:43] <Roadtripper> oh okay
[17:43] <Roadtripper> so just wait?
[17:43] <teward> yep
[17:43] <Roadtripper> okay, cool
[17:43] <Roadtripper> i think firefox just got a new update for linux
[17:43] <redwolf> yup
[17:44] <Roadtripper> i'm installing new firefox now with software updater. what does "waiting for apt-get to exit" mean?
[17:44] <redwolf> because you are doing things in the terminal ;)
[17:44] <Roadtripper> ah
[17:44] <Roadtripper> makes sense xD
[17:44] <redwolf> once it finishes, the update manager will continue
[17:47] <Roadtripper> it's still doing it
[17:47] <peaceful> :)
[17:48] <redwolf> sorry, I have to go now for a while
[17:49] <peaceful> redwolf, ok God bless you brother :0
[17:49] <redwolf> :)
[17:49] <redwolf> I'm glad to help
[17:49] <redwolf> brb
[17:49] <Roadtripper> http://imgur.com/DAUPrrO redwolf still getting this
[17:49] <peaceful> ok i installed box theme
[17:50] <peaceful> I guess i need to logout and login back
[17:50] <Roadtripper> probably yeah peaceful
[17:50] <redwolf> before I leave, Roadtripper. it seems your server is having problems. change it: https://askubuntu.com/questions/104695/how-do-i-change-mirrors-in-ubuntu-server-from-regional-to-main
[17:50] <redwolf> it says "download from". change to another closer to you
[17:50] <Roadtripper> Wait, how do I do that?
[17:51] <redwolf> open Software Sources
[17:51] <Roadtripper> where is software sources?
[17:51] <Roadtripper> is it "software & updates"?
[17:52] <redwolf> menu preferences
[17:52] <Roadtripper> okay found it
[17:52] <Roadtripper> it's on usa right now
[17:52] <Roadtripper> and i live in usa
[17:52] <redwolf> there. yes, but you can choose one really close
[17:52] <Roadtripper> do i click find best location?
[17:53] <redwolf> ye
[17:53] <redwolf> *yes
[17:54] <Roadtripper> cogentco?
[17:54] <Roadtripper> how do i know if it is safe?
[17:54] <redwolf> all those mirrors are supervised by Ubuntu
[17:54] <Roadtripper> ah
[17:54] <Roadtripper> how come so many colleges run servers?
[17:54] <redwolf> they have better computers :D
[17:54] <Roadtripper> do they make money from it?
[17:54] <redwolf> no
[17:55] <Roadtripper> so why do they do it?
[17:55] <redwolf> for the same reason I try to help people here :)
[17:55] <Roadtripper> oh :D
[17:56] <redwolf> don't you think we should't help each other more often?
[17:56] <Roadtripper> I do
[17:56] <Roadtripper> Definitely
[17:56] <redwolf> :)
[17:56] <redwolf> you already paid for your computer
[17:56] <Roadtripper> In fact, I am reading "Altruism" by Matthieu Ricard at the moment :D
[17:56] <redwolf> :)
[17:57] <redwolf> we should act like Borgs! :D
[17:57] <Roadtripper> Haha
[17:57] <redwolf> we're a collective
[17:57] <Roadtripper> Updating cache
[17:57] <Roadtripper> What is your favorite subreddits?
[17:57] <redwolf> I don't usually "go there", only for posting at Lubuntu's
[17:57] <redwolf> but it has an amazing potential
[17:58] <redwolf> I know that
[17:58] <Roadtripper> Reddit is great
[17:58] <Roadtripper> I love writingprompts
[17:58] <redwolf> I'm sorry, but I really have to go for a while
[17:58] <redwolf> see you later, guys
[17:58] <Roadtripper> Okay, goodbye
[17:58] <Roadtripper> Wait one more thing
[17:58] <redwolf> ...and gurrrrls
[17:58] <redwolf> yes? :D
[17:58] <Roadtripper> What command should I type
[17:58] <Roadtripper> When I update the mirror
[17:58] <Roadtripper> To download wallch
[17:58] <redwolf> no one. it'll update automatically. then use the Lubuntu Software Center to look for it. it should work then.
[17:59] <redwolf> if it doesn't, ask for help here again
[17:59] <redwolf> or at #lubuntu-offtopic
[17:59] <Roadtripper> ah okay
[17:59] <redwolf> :) see you!
[17:59] <Roadtripper> thank you so much, friend!
[17:59] <Roadtripper> i owe you one
[17:59] <Roadtripper> thank you
[17:59] <krytarik> No, not there please.
[17:59] <redwolf> :D
[17:59] <redwolf> well, right, krytarik,, that's strictly "offtopic" :D
[18:14] <peaceful> redwolf, not sure how to use new theme
[18:14] <peaceful> looks to me as before
[18:14] <Roadtripper> Hey
[18:14] <Roadtripper> I've been trying to install wallch for the past hour
[18:14] <Roadtripper> it still isn't working :(
[18:14] <wxl> Roadtripper: did you successfully install the ppa?
[18:15] <Roadtripper> Could you go through it step-by-step with me please, wxl?
[18:15] <wxl> Roadtripper: what were the instructions redwolf gave you?
[18:15] <peaceful> Roadtripper, what is wallch?
[18:15] <Roadtripper> a bunch, but i got a bit confused
[18:16] <Roadtripper> i tried everything he said but it didn't work
[18:16] <wxl> Roadtripper: reiterate and we'll go step by step
[18:16] <Roadtripper> peaceful it changes your wallpaper
[18:16] <peaceful> Roadtripper, it didnt change
[18:16] <peaceful> Roadtripper, ah you mean wallch
[18:16] <wxl> !info wallch
[18:16] <wxl> Roadtripper: what version of lubuntu do you have?
[18:17] <Roadtripper> well, he told me to try to download it from the software center but i got an error
[18:17] <Roadtripper> 14.04 lts
[18:17] <wxl> !info wallch trusty
[18:17] <wxl> Roadtripper: what error did you get?
[18:17] <Roadtripper> ill show you a screenshot
[18:18] <Roadtripper> http://imgur.com/delete/oUTQX97ScjQg4zV
[18:18] <Roadtripper> wxl
[18:19] <wxl> Roadtripper: isn't that the delete link?
[18:19] <Roadtripper> oops, wrong link
[18:19] <Roadtripper> yeah xD
[18:19] <Roadtripper> http://i.imgur.com/ETN18bY.png
[18:19] <wxl> 1. open up a terminal
[18:19] <wxl> 2. type in the following:
[18:20] <wxl>    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt -y install pastebinit && sudo apt -y install wallch | pastebinit
[18:20] <wxl> 3. link me to the url it spits out at you
[18:20] <wxl> clicking on the "details" in that box might be helpful too
[18:21] <Roadtripper> entered the command
[18:23] <Roadtripper> http://i.imgur.com/GxAH8Hk.png
[18:23] <Roadtripper> got this
[18:23] <Roadtripper> wxl
[18:23] <wxl> Roadtripper: let it keep going until you get the prompt back
[18:24] <peaceful> Roadtripper, does it stuck on "Connecting to extras.ubuntu.com"?
[18:24] <Roadtripper> no, now i have this
[18:24] <Roadtripper> http://i.imgur.com/uHninHo.png
[18:25] <Roadtripper> wxl peaceful
[18:25] <wxl> Roadtripper: so if you look at https://paste.ubuntu.com/14681241/ you see the problem
[18:26] <Roadtripper> I don't know what that means
[18:26] <wxl> Roadtripper: pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:27] <Roadtripper> what is that? wxl
[18:27] <Roadtripper> Sorry, I'm terrible at computers
[18:27] <wxl> Roadtripper: it's the repositories you have enabled
[18:27] <wxl> you need the universe repository enabled
[18:28] <Roadtripper> how do i do that?
[18:28] <wxl> well
[18:28] <wxl> i'll show you the fancy way
[18:29] <peaceful> Roadtripper, type: less /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[18:29] <Roadtripper> in terminal?
[18:29] <peaceful> Roadtripper, yes
[18:29] <Roadtripper> this can't mess up anything?
[18:29] <peaceful> and it will return link which you need to share
[18:29] <peaceful> Roadtripper, no
[18:30] <wxl> sudo apt -y install xclip && cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit | xclip -i
[18:30] <Roadtripper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14681293/
[18:30] <wxl> and then when it's done, paste here
[18:30] <wxl> (does the copy for you)
[18:31] <Roadtripper> okay, done wxl
[18:31] <wxl> you appear to have universe enabled
[18:31] <wxl> so the issue may be that one of the dependencies of wallch conflicts with some other package you have
[18:31] <Roadtripper> should i do apt-get autoremove?
[18:31] <wxl> at this point it's a pain in the butt
[18:31] <peaceful> Roadtripper, yes
[18:31] <wxl> basically you need to go through all of the dependencies listed here https://paste.ubuntu.com/14681241/ and try to install them individually
[18:32] <wxl> if that fails, try to install all the dependencies of the dependencies and so on
[18:32] <Roadtripper> I'm sorry, I'm really lost
[18:32] <peaceful> Roadtripper, what ubuntu do you use?
[18:32] <Roadtripper> lts 14.04
[18:32] <peaceful> fresh install?
[18:32] <Roadtripper> what is fresh install?
[18:33] <peaceful> Roadtripper, did you install it today/
[18:33] <Roadtripper> no
[18:33] <peaceful> long time ago?
[18:33] <Roadtripper> 2 days ago
[18:33] <peaceful> ah ok
[18:33] <wxl> try installing libqt5core5 libqt5gui5 libqt5webkit5 libqt5widgets5
[18:34] <Roadtripper> how do i do that?
[18:34] <Roadtripper> are there any other wallpaper changers?
[18:35] <wxl> sudo apt -y install libqt5core5 libqt5gui5 libqt5webkit5 libqt5widgets5
[18:35] <wxl> i just change mine manually
[18:35] <Roadtripper> i want it to make my wallpaper a different one every hour
[18:35] <Roadtripper> or day
[18:36] <Roadtripper> i gtg, ill ttyl
[18:36] <Roadtripper> thanks so much guys
[18:36] <Roadtripper> really appreciate it
[21:33] <cosec_> guys
[21:33] <cosec_> i want to dual boot lubuntu
[21:33] <cosec_> i have already one distro installed(kutuntu)
[21:34] <cosec_> *kubuntu
[21:34] <cosec_> any ideas ?
[21:34] <teward> cosec_: i don't see an actual question?
[21:35] <cosec_> teward: how do i make a dual boot system with lubuntu ?
[21:35] <cosec_> i let kubuntu use the entire hard drive while installing
[21:36] <cosec_> i have only 1 hard drive
[21:36] <cosec_> :(
[21:36] <cosec_> its a laptop, lenovo y460
[21:36] <wxl> cosec_: the installer should give you an option to "install alongside"
[21:37] <cosec_> really? thats awesome
[21:37] <wxl> cosec_: yes then you can select each with grub. the grub menu does not come up automatically. hold down shift at boot to see it
[21:37] <wxl> cosec_: recommandation: backup first!
[21:38] <cosec_> okok
[21:38] <cosec_> i have a spare external drive
[21:38] <cosec_> can you tell me how to back up ?
[21:38] <wxl> there's a million ways to do it
[21:38] <wxl> !backup
[21:38] <wxl> personally, i'd just use rsync
[21:41] <cosec_> cool
[21:41] <cosec_> so i think
[21:41] <cosec_> i will use Grsync
[21:41] <cosec_> coz it will be newbile friendly
[21:41] <cosec_> so when i back up, it should back up all my packages
[21:42] <cosec_> *installed packages
[21:42] <cosec_> right ?
[21:42] <wxl> cosec_: technically `dpkg -l` will give you a list of packages if that's all you want :)
[21:42] <wxl> but rsync can be made to backup the entire drive or just parts of it. actually, that's true with all backup solutions, really
[21:44] <cosec_> nice , ty wxl
[21:56] <cosec_> wxl: what should i back up ?
[21:56] <wxl> cosec_: /home is most important
[21:57] <cosec_> i just want all the packages that i installed myself, coz getting them one by one is a headache
[21:57] <wxl> cosec_: you could grab dpkg -l
[21:57] <wxl> acutally dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'
[21:58] <wxl> that will give you a list of all of your packages
[21:58] <cosec_>  /home is around 33gbs
[21:58] <wxl> cosec_: well home is the irreplacable stuff!
[22:02] <cosec_> wxl:  i  thank you for your help. i will back up /home
[22:02] <cosec_> wxl: i appreciate you putting up with the newbieness
[22:02] <wxl> cosec_: np
[22:02] <cosec_> wxl: :( lemme ask you another newbie question
[22:03] <cosec_> wxl:  sudo rsync -azvv dpkg -l
[22:03] <cosec_> should save all my packages
[22:04] <wxl> cosec_: yeah, no. dpkg -l just gives you a test list
[22:04] <cosec_> ya ?
[22:04] <genii> um...no
[22:04] <wxl> text sorry
[22:04] <wxl> then you can later step through it and install all the packages
[22:04] <wxl> a `while` command in bash could do this
[22:04] <wxl> so it would automatically install everything for you
[22:04] <cosec_> i see
[22:04] <cosec_> so i just save the list
[22:05] <wxl> cosec_: dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' > ~/mylistoffiles
[22:05] <cosec_> and restore everything using a bash
[22:05] <cosec_> cool
[22:05] <wxl> the basic deal is once you have that, you have the `while` command step through eveery line
[22:05] <wxl> and for each like, apt-get install each package
[22:06] <cosec_> as in a while loop in c ?
[22:06] <wxl> if you'd rather code it in c, you can :)
[22:06] <cosec_> wahahaha
[22:07] <cosec_> any tutorials on how to 'while'
[22:07] <cosec_> ?
[22:07] <krytarik> cosec_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/17823/how-to-list-all-installed-packages
[22:07] <cosec_> using bash
[22:08] <wxl> while read line; do sudo apt -y install $line; done < ~/mylistoffiles
[22:13] <cosec_> ty krytarik  and wxl


[05:09] <r3m0n> hi pavlushka, Kilos....///
[05:12] <r3m0n> pavlushka, I wanted to set this nickname(r3m0n) permanently. how...?
[06:27] <zaki> hello r3m0n
[06:27] <r3m0n> yea.... zaki
[06:32] <Kilos> hi zaki r3m0n
[06:33] <r3m0n> hi...  Kilos , my bigggg friend...
[06:35] <r3m0n>  Kilos, I wanted to replace my nick as  r3m0n  forever.
[08:52] <zaki> wb pavlushka and RemonShai
[08:57] <RemonShai> zaki, আমার নিক পরিবর্তন হচ্ছে না, চিরস্থায়ীভাবে।
[09:02] <zaki> which one?
[09:02] <zaki> r3m0n:  or RemonShai ?
[09:02] <RemonShai> r3m0n
[09:03] <pavlushka> zaki: HE is on android irc, he need to change it on th settings there, but he cant find it.
[09:03] <zaki> are u yousing two client at a time? r3m0n
[09:03] <zaki> using*
[09:04] <r3m0n> no... just wait...
[09:04] <zaki> :|
[09:04] <zaki> wb RemonShai
[09:05] <pavlushka> He needs to set r3m0n as first nick and RemonShai as second nick but for identifying, needs the sequence "/msg nickserv identify RemonShai his_passwd"
[09:05] <pavlushka> that's how the settings should on his android irc settings
[09:06] <zaki> hmm
[09:11] <r3m0n> আজ পিছির নেট নাই। পিছির নেট আগামীকাল কিনবো।
[09:11] <zaki> (y)
[09:14] <pavlushka> and r3m0n if you did not identify your nick, then the group command will not work, may be that's where the problem is.
[09:15] <r3m0n> yes
[09:15] <pavlushka> to group r3m0n to your main nick RemonShai, you have to identify yourself first, then change to desired nick and run the group command.
[09:17] <pavlushka> zaki: the issue has been resolved, the problem was the above mentioned one :)
[09:18] <Kilos> hi pavlushka and the other bd peeps
[09:18] <r3m0n> pavlushka & zakiI do it.... yahooooo
[09:18] <pavlushka> Hello dear Kilos :)
[09:23] <r3m0n> pavlushka, now, everyone search me as r3m0n , isn't...?
[09:23] <zaki> yes
[09:24] <r3m0n>  (y)
[09:25] <r3m0n> Qa, coffee on
[09:25] <r3m0n> coffee on
[09:25] <zaki> QA isn't here, she is missing
[09:26] <r3m0n> yea... :'( :'(
[09:26] <r3m0n> how to set QA...?
[09:26] <zaki> Kilos: know
[09:27] <Kilos> what do you want to set
[09:27] <Kilos> oh ill get here
[09:27] <Kilos> sorry
[09:28] <zaki> Kilos: QA
[09:28] <zaki> thnx Kilos
[09:28] <Kilos> QA  coffee on
[09:28]  * QA puts the kettle on
[09:28] <zaki> welcome back QA
[09:28] <r3m0n> btw  zakiare u try ubuntu 16.10 or unity 8 (mir)
[09:29] <r3m0n> ty Kilos for Qa
[09:29] <Kilos> yw
[09:29] <zaki> r3m0n: nope, i'm using kubuntu
[09:29] <zaki> 16.4.1
[09:29] <zaki> Sysinfo for 'zaki-Satellite-C800D': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.5.5 on Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS (Xenial Xerus) powered by Linux 4.4.0-42-generic, CPU: AMD E2-1800 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics at 1700 MHz, RAM: 2405/2621 MB, Storage: 29/72 GB, 222 procs, 3.67h up
[09:31] <r3m0n> are you using AMD..!!! :)
[09:31] <zaki> yes, for last 5 years
[09:32] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:32] <Kilos> QA gracias
[09:32] <QA> ¡de nada!
[09:33] <r3m0n> tell me, some word about AMD.
[09:33] <r3m0n> QA, coffee please.
[09:33] <QA> r3m0n: There isn't a pot on
[09:33] <zaki> r3m0n: Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) :p
[09:35] <r3m0n> I know but mostly dislike it. i don't know why...?
[09:39] <zaki> If AMD goes out of the race, Intel will be free to charge whatever the hell they want for CPUs, and Nvidia will charge whatever they want for GPUs.
[09:42] <zaki> https://teksyndicate.com/comment/1523456
[09:44] <r3m0n> (y)
[10:00] <r3m0n> আমি AMD পছন্দ করি কিন্তু সবাই হতাশ করে।
[10:01] <zaki> ask them the reason, why they don't like amd!!
[10:02] <zaki> if they can show some good point, it's oky to be hotash :p
[10:03] <r3m0n> they, don't say that clearly. :(
[10:04] <pavlushka> I like AMD, though its GPU's performance are not that satisfactory :)
[10:05] <pavlushka> I had an AMD machine once :)
[10:05] <pavlushka> k7
[10:06] <r3m0n> I haven't. but I like AMD.
[10:06] <zaki> hmm
[10:17] <r3m0n> Is tumblr & wordpress are same...?
[10:18] <r3m0n> pavlushka ↑
[10:19] <pavlushka> r3m0n: cool r3m0n :)
[10:19] <pavlushka> ↑
[10:23] <zaki> pavlushka: NOOP  Prevents services from setting modes upon you automatically.
[10:25] <zaki> like this? [Mode] You have set personal modes: +i
[10:25] <zaki> is this necessary?
[10:25] <pavlushka> r3m0n: nope, wordpress is a web content manager specially designed for blogging sites
[10:25] <zaki> what i missed!! :3
[10:25] <pavlushka> tumblr is pic sharing site I guess
[10:26] <r3m0n> pavlushka, no...same..
[10:26] <pavlushka> zaki: I just copy pasted r3m0n's ↑, no pointing to anything :p
[10:26] <pavlushka> not pointing
[10:27] <zaki> pavlushka: what aboout "NOOP" command ^
[10:28] <r3m0n> pavlushka, i asked Google. Google said, " they are same."
[10:28] <pavlushka> zaki: no op is to disabling any chan op to set any service on you, like giving voice or op :)
[10:29] <pavlushka> on your nick actually
[10:29] <zaki> oky thnx. :)
[10:29] <Kilos> night bd peeps
[10:29] <Kilos> sleep tight
[10:29] <zaki> night Kilos
[10:29] <pavlushka> Good Night Kilos :)
[10:30] <zaki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumblr
[10:31] <zaki> Tumblr (stylized on its home page as tumblr.) is a microblogging and social networking website founded by David Karp in 2007, and owned by Yahoo! since 2013.[1][4][5][6][7] The service allows users to post multimedia and other content to a short-form blog. Users can follow other users' blogs. Bloggers can also make their blogs private.[8][9] For bloggers, many of the website's features are accessed from a "dashboard" interface.
[10:31] <zaki> As of October 1, 2016, Tumblr hosts over 316.2 million blogs.[2] As of January 2016, the website had 555 million monthly visitors.[3][2]
[10:31] <zaki> ops sorry. :3
[10:31] <pavlushka> zaki: for what?
[10:32] <zaki> flooding. :p
[10:32] <zaki> text flooding actually
[10:32] <pavlushka> zaki: its ok, but its good to keep that in mind :)
[10:34] <zaki> :)
[10:43] <r3m0n>  I decided to delete unnecessary account.
[10:45] <zaki> r3m0n: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tdKl-gTpZg listen to this and enjoy deleting your  accounts. :p
[10:58] <r3m0n> গানটা গাইতে খুব কষ্ট হইছে😜😜😜
[10:59] <zaki> whoom?
[11:00] <pavlushka> r3m0n: lol
[11:00] <zaki> :p
[11:00] <r3m0n> গায়ক ও তার সঙ্গীদের😜
[11:01] <zaki> i don't like yellow :3
[11:01] <pavlushka> zaki: যারা heavy metal শুনে না বা শুনে নি, তাদের অনেক কে এরকম কথা বলতে শুনসি, মজার
[11:01] <pavlushka> যেমন "এক পোয়া শুকনা মরিচ খাইয়া গান ধরসে"
[11:02] <r3m0n> আমি আগে শুনতাম linkin park.
[11:02] <pavlushka> যেমন "দেখাচ্ছে চারজন কিন্তু বাজাইসে তো এগারোজন!"
 :D lol
[11:02] <zaki> 1 minute silence for them :p
[11:48] <zaki> bbl


[09:08]  * SuperEngineer watches Kung Fu Panda - [well, one has to do something before it's Penguins of Madagascar time]
[09:09] <SuperEngineer> ...but why do the keep classifying them as kids' programmes - that's just stooopid ;)
[09:09]  * bigcalm shakes fist at SuperEngineer
[09:10]  * SuperEngineer shakes big toe at bigcalm
[09:12] <SuperEngineer> enjoy the meal?
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHl24Kjp5Vs ?
[09:12] <bigcalm> Indeed so. Good eats in there
[09:13] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: good one!
[09:24] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:29] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... reciept from a certain payment company "You sent a payment of $15.00 USD to Canonical Limited"...
[09:30] <SuperEngineer> ..what /why is wrong that I daidn't/couldn't pay in £ ?
[09:32] <zmoylan-pi> well since we all seem to be subject to american law no matter where we live...
[09:33]  * SuperEngineer checks noscript settings
[09:34] <popey> SuperEngineer: it only lists $
[09:34] <popey> SuperEngineer: also, thank you.
[09:35] <SuperEngineer> popey: thanks - saves me hunting for something I got wrong!  :)
[10:05] <SuperEngineer> whoopee! only 2 more hours until start of vroom vroom coverage!
[10:06] <SuperEngineer> & only 1 hour till the pre-coverage :)
[10:06] <brobostigon> silverstone was more interesting, as you could almost hear them in the wind, from where i live.
[10:08] <SuperEngineer> brobostigon: "in the wind"? - sounds smelly ;)
[10:08] <brobostigon> lol.
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> ooh vroom vroom is today?
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> Spa right?
[10:11] <brobostigon> yep
[10:13] <brobostigon> in android FB messenger, in the contact list, whats the difference between your contact having a staus of "web" rather than "mobile"?
[10:14] <SuperEngineer> it means your contact is a spider
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: "Web" means they're on the website, from their computer
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> "Mobile" means they'll get the message on their phone, I guess
[10:15] <brobostigon> i see, makes sense, ok, ty MartijnVdS
[10:15] <brobostigon> could that also apply to using fb from a web browser on said mobile device?
[10:32] <popey> brobostigon: using a browser on a phone shows as web, not mobile
[10:33] <popey> mobile means mobile app
[10:33] <brobostigon> ah, i see, ty popey
[11:11] <SuperEngineer> sssh... it's pre-race vroom vroom coverage time :)
[14:11] <mapps> think il watch the new need for speed
[20:42] <foobarry> ping
[20:43] <Myrtti> ping timeout
[20:44] <foobarry> thats what i thought
[20:44] <foobarry> nobody in since 15:00
[20:45] <penguin42> shhh you might wake them
[20:46] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/YSAGebw.jpg
[20:46] <foobarry> today was AMAZING
[20:48] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/Yu5iTO9.jpg
[20:50] <shauno> I call shenanigans - that's not an airfix!
[21:11] <popey> oh you went to wings & wheels?
[21:17] <shauno> kinda bummer about richard attentborough.  but can I admit the first thing I did was double-check it was richard not david?
[21:27] <zmoylan-pi> shiny vulcan
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> sure can't they just clone him now?  what could possibly go wrong? :-p
[21:32] <diddledan> he'll start eating children?
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> i was sure he was in ice cold in alex.  i was wrong.  only 2 films i have with him in it are ghandi and a bridge too far.
[21:48] <StevenR> hmm.... bit of a puzzler. I've an LTS 12.04 VM, running on an LTS14.04.1 host (KVM)... when I do-release-upgrade on the VM, it proceeds, everything appears to work... but when I reboot, I just get a big flat cursor (doesn't flash) and the VM won't go any further.... thoughts on how to start troubleshooting this?
[21:48] <StevenR> I've rolled back the changes (I love rsnapshot for last week's version of the VM).
[21:48] <StevenR> but I'd like to get it updated to 14.04.1
[21:54] <penguin42> StevenR: which video type have you got chosen as the video card to be emulated?
[21:54] <penguin42> StevenR: Whatever your answer, I'm going to tell you to chose one of the others
[22:01] <StevenR> penguin42: Cirrus
[22:01] <penguin42> StevenR: I'm fairly sure it works with vmvga so try that or qxl
[22:03] <StevenR> ok. powered off, switches to vmvga and powered on again... lets see what happens to do-release-upgrade now :)
[22:04] <StevenR> it's a tiny little VM with very few packages, so updating doesn't take long
[22:31] <diddledan> typical. some folk are up-in-arms about the lesbian "let me breathe for you" aka kiss featured in last-night's dr who
[22:43] <zmoylan-pi> some people will look for a reason to complain and complain if they can't find one
[23:22] <penguin42> StevenR: Did it help?
[23:41] <StevenR> penguin42: nope
[23:42] <penguin42> hmph
[23:42] <StevenR> penguin42: gonna have to come back to it another night. Thanks for the suggestion though (restored the virtual disk again)
[23:45] <penguin42> no problem


[00:00] <Drew_Neilson> And whose UIs are designed for both form factors?
[00:00] <k1l> Drew_Neilson: apps build for the ubuntu-touch plattform are made working on all device formfactors already. only task is to expand the ubuntu-touch codebase onto the other plattforms like desktop. which is beeing worked on right now.
[00:01] <k1l> thing is: on ubuntu desktop we are having a codebase shift for the grafic server anyway. going away from the old xorg to the new MIR server. the MIR server is already used on the phones.
[00:02] <Drew_Neilson> So all apps written for Ubuntu Touch will work on Ubuntu desktop, and their UI will adjust properly?
[00:03] <k1l> that is the plan. but that still means that the developers from that app have done that properly.
[00:04] <Drew_Neilson> So I guess then that is need to Google [Ubuntu Touch racing game], right?
[00:04] <k1l> in times when you have your phone in your pocket and put it on a monitor at home to make it your desktop pc, that is what makes sense.
[00:04] <Drew_Neilson> *I'd
[00:04] <k1l> Drew_Neilson: i dont understand why you are so google search focused.
[00:08] <Drew_Neilson> k1l: Because I am interested in ecosystems where there is convergence, which leads me to look at Ubuntu, Windows, and Google/Android. Apple is left out of the equation. Being able to search enables me to ascertain how far advanced each platform is.
[00:10] <bregma> the best way to search is to use the Ubuntu Store, which will filter for your architecture (not all developers make all apps available for all architectures)
[00:11] <Drew_Neilson> bregma: Can I do that if I don't yet own a Ubuntu device or have Ubuntu running on a PC?
[00:11] <k1l> https://uappexplorer.com/apps
[00:16] <Drew_Neilson> Ok thanks everyone
[00:52] <dobey> huh
[00:53] <dobey> didn't MS just announce their abandoning the phone market?
[00:55] <dobey> and technically like 70% of the "apps" in the store work on all architectures already anyway, as they're just webapps
[01:28] <lpotter> .............................................
[08:07] <jdhoek> Hello, my Meizu Pro 5 does not seem to connect to my cellular provider. Where should I start looking to figure out what is wrong?
[08:08] <jdhoek> ifconfig is only listing lo and wlan0, the SIM card is detected as 'Unknown' in the UI
[08:15] <popey> jdhoek: do you see a gsm device if you run "nmcli d" on your pro 5?
[08:17] <jdhoek> popey: Which is the gsm device? I see ril_0 and ril_1 are unavailable.
[08:17] <jdhoek> Output: http://pastebin.com/EfrZJcSg
[08:17] <popey> i see two on mine
[08:17] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17353722/
[08:18] <popey> I would power off, pop sim tray out, clean sim, pop back in, boot up
[08:18] <popey> just as a basic test
[08:18] <jdhoek> I've had a working connection, but that was on OTA-10.1 (now at OTA-11), and before my data package commenced with my provider.
[08:18] <popey> but there are other debug tools on the phone, but I don't know what they are.. will have a look
[08:18] <jdhoek> popey: Thank you.
[08:21] <jdhoek> popey: Wow, polishing this new SIM card did the trick!
[08:22] <jdhoek> popey: I am honestly surprised that was the cause.
[08:22] <popey> hah
[08:22] <popey> \o/
[08:22] <jdhoek> popey: Thanks, that helps a lot. :)
[08:22] <popey> Achievement unlocked: 👍  - Hardware engineer.
[08:22] <popey> np
[08:24] <jdhoek> I didn't expect SIM cards to be so finicky…
[08:29] <ghosalmartin> any aarch64 porters around?
[08:58] <jubalh> popey: is it possible to see build scripts or similar for ubuntu touch somewhere?
[09:07] <popey> jubalh: building which bit? there's a lot of components :)
[09:08] <jubalh> popey: actually i would be interested in most of it :D and read my way through it to try to understand it
[09:08] <jubalh> last time I was here I asked you for some slides and you found some basic ones :)
[09:08] <jubalh> now i would like to go one step deeper hehe
[09:08] <popey> Not sure I have knowledge you're after
[09:38] <jubalh> popey: why not? it seems you know some of the build scripts?
[09:38] <popey> I know some bits, sure
[09:53] <jubalh> popey: maybe it would be a start for me to look at those bits
[09:59] <popey> jubalh: so a lot of the phone is debian packages, and those (and click packages) go through a process called the 'landing process'. a developer will build a deb locally using the usual process and then submit via this process. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/LandingProcess
[10:21] <mardy> dpm: hi! ping about https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/reminders-app/new-api/+merge/271505
[10:22] <jubalh> popey: i would be itnerested in the build script which create the 'base' i mean the thing that is an android with ubuntu in lxc or whatever you did there :)
[10:22] <popey> jubalh: i dont know that
[10:24] <ogra_> jubalh, it is the other way around ... you boot ubuntu and then an lxc container with a minimal android HA abstraction layer gets started
[10:24] <ogra_> *HW
[10:24] <bregma> jubalh, it's a GNU/Linux system, just like Ubuntu on desktop (or even Fedora for that matter) with some Android services in a container, so looking at how any typical GNU/Linux distro gets built will get you what you're looking for
[10:24] <ogra_> the container content is just a normal android build with 95% of android removed and libhybris added to bridge the library calls between ubuntu and the container
[10:25] <ogra_> the ubuntu side is created by our normal image build system that also creates the desktop isos
[10:27] <bregma> Ubuntu is based on Debian. so I imaging the debootstrap script might be involved in creating the core rootfs that everything else gets built on
[10:32] <dpm> mardy, I think overall it should be fine to add the dependency, but I no longer have the time to do core app reviews, so you might want to talk to popey about testing it and getting it landed
[10:34] <jubalh> Thanks guys thats interesting! :)
[10:40] <ogra_> jubalh, the images are built using live-build ... with all config and adjustments living in the livecd-rootfs package in the archive
[10:41] <ogra_> (and yes, live-build uses debootstrap underneath, but also a lot more)
[11:01] <mardy> popey: hi! Will you review this, as time allows? https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/reminders-app/new-api/+merge/271505
[11:01] <popey> sure thing mardy
[11:01] <popey> thanks
[11:40] <brunch875> Hey, is there a page to see what's being worked on?
[11:42] <popey> brunch875: https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/12
[11:43] <brunch875> Thanks :))
[11:47] <jubalh> ogra_: is this what i need to look at? http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/trusty-updates/livecd-rootfs
[11:51] <ogra_> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk
[11:56] <jubalh> ogra_: thanks
[11:56] <sil2100> jubalh: (it's full of nasty hacks, but it works) ;)
[11:58] <jubalh> hehe :)
[12:10] <jubalh> what happens to binary blogs from vendors who are licensed, so they cant be shipped?
[12:28] <popey> jubalh: such as?
[12:30] <bregma> I think he means binary blobs
[12:32] <jubalh> yep
[12:32] <jubalh> for firmware or to access some devices on the phone
[12:33] <k1l> that is why there is the android container. most devices ship with android drivers.
[12:37] <ogra_> s/most/all/
[12:37] <ogra_> :)
[12:39] <jubalh> Oh okay
[13:02] <dobey> hmm
[14:22] <mardy> DanChapman: hi! I'm working on bug 1421923; which URL should I use as action, for the notifications?
[14:44] <jgdx> popey, I'm unable to edit wiki pages that I have edited in the past. could you help out?
[14:51] <popey> jgdx: logout / in, should work. make sure you tick the [ ] - Canonical - tickbox when you SSO sign in
[14:51] <popey> all ~canonical members have edit rights on the wiki.
[14:58] <jgdx> popey, thx!
[15:22] <DanChapman> mardy, hey! awesome :-) sorry didn't see the highlight. Let me just refresh my brain on the action url for notifications. Can't recall if i had something already in place and waiting, or it was discussed some where.
[15:31] <DanChapman> mardy, so currently dekko will handle "dekko://notify/{accountId}/{mailboxName}/{msgUid}" but we can actually drop the msgUid now as that's not really needed.
[15:32] <DanChapman> accountId should be the id of the online account and mailboxName will most likely be INBOX in all cases for the polld plugin
[20:07] <dobey> mariogrip: hey. i'm curious. is the image thumbnails and photo sharing still an issue with the 5.1 build on hammerhead?
[20:31] <bitanarchy> do I need closed source tools to install ubuntu touch on a meizu pro 5, replacing android?
[20:32] <dobey> probably
[20:33] <bitanarchy> because the whole point of ubuntu touch is to have a complete open source os
[20:33] <dobey> you would need an unlocked bootloader, and you have to repartition the device
[20:34] <bitanarchy> do i have to change to region code?
[20:34] <dobey> well, unfortunately, hardware manufacturers aren't quite so opoen yet. there are still binary proprietary blob bits necessary for using various pieces of hardware, even with Ubuntu installed
[20:34] <dobey> region code? it's not a dvd player :)
[20:35] <bitanarchy> i found this guide: https://askubuntu.com/questions/767323/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-meizu-pro-5-that-was-originally-with-android
[20:37] <dobey> i have no idea if that will work properly or not
[21:14] <joshumax> So, before I dig too deep into the utouch boot process, it seems / is mounted as a loop device on loop0 and is approximately  2GB large on my Nexus 4. Is / mounted from an image in /userdata or does it correspond to a physical partition?
[21:16] <joshumax> I have a feeling it's an image from what this script does: https://github.com/plasma-mobile/plasma-phone-dev-setup/blob/master/usr/bin/resize-root-partition
[21:17] <dobey> i don't recall. the retail phones use actual partitions though
[21:18] <dobey> joshumax: what are you trying to do exactly? porting to a new device?
[21:18] <joshumax> dobey: No I'm being an idiot and breaking my ubuntu touch image by mounting / rw
[21:19] <joshumax> I was playing with Xmir but I was running out of room on /usr to install stuff using apt from ports.ubuntu.com
[21:20] <joshumax> before I was using Libertine but it was too much of a hassle and I don't really care if I break my utouch image
[21:21] <dobey> oh. well, yeah. you shouldn't do that
[21:21] <joshumax> Well I guess I can just use losetup to figure out where loop0 goes
[21:22] <joshumax> Yeah I definitely shouldn't...but then again I run a webserver on Debian unstable and run Android on my calculator
[21:22] <joshumax> I have a thing for breaking stuff(tm)
[21:22] <dobey> most people run android on their calculators these days.
[21:23] <dobey> it is the market leader for a reason
[21:23] <joshumax> Huh you know I thought it was the other way around
[21:25] <joshumax> Wow that was rediculously easy
[21:25] <joshumax> output of `df -h`
[21:25] <joshumax> /dev/loop0                      2.0G  1.9G   11M 100% /
[21:25] <joshumax> /dev/loop1                      116M  115M  1.5M  99% /android/system
[21:26] <joshumax> output of `losetup -a`
[21:26] <joshumax> /dev/loop0: []: (/userdata/system.img)
[21:26] <joshumax> /dev/loop1: []: (/var/lib/lxc/android/system.img)
[22:00] <bitanarchy> I am not going to use playstore to install ubuntu touch...
[22:22] <bitanarchy> Is it possible to donate to ubuntu touch project?
[22:24] <fccf> bitanarchy:  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute?version=16.04&architecture=amd64
[22:26] <k1l_> or consider donating to the https://ubports.com/get-involved project who try to port ubuntu to other devices.
[22:29] <bitanarchy> I have a meizu pro 5 which is officially supported by ubuntu touch
[22:53] <mariogrip> dobey: yeah, i haven't fixed that yet, that's coming next


[04:30] <head_victim> Is there a way in launchpad to organise the translations so that you see the ones that need doing on the front screen instead of half way through the hundreds of packages?