[02:48]  * genii sips
[02:54]  * genii slips into a coma
[03:06] <semitones> hello, there is user "Xochipilli" who is spamming in PM about a racist forum
[03:06] <semitones> in #ubuntu
[03:07] <IdleOne> gone
[03:07]  * genii slides IdleOne a beverage
[03:07] <IdleOne> thank you
[03:07] <semitones> thanks
[04:21] <IdleOne> !guidelines > LinuxGuy91
[07:04] <ikonia> semifunk: hellow ?
[07:04] <ikonia> hello even
[07:04] <ikonia> semitones_tea: hello to your alt nick too
[08:06] <ikonia> semitones_tea: do you need something or could you take this channel off autojoin please.
[08:10] <semitones_tea> ikonia, sorry \, I didn't realize i was still joined
[08:10] <semitones_tea> later
[11:07] <DJones> I know backups are important, but at times Actionparsnips constant commenting about somebody not having backups when they try to recover files does get frustrating, point it out once, but keeping repeating it isn't going to help
[11:29] <Tm_T> DJones: agreed
[14:06] <Pici> I'm glad we're spending time on this.
[14:07] <Myrtti> I love you too Pici
[14:07] <Pici> :)
[14:15] <Tm_T> ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ to all
[14:15]  * Tm_T goes kicking choppy connections bit more
[14:19] <bazhang> why is this allowed to go on
[14:32] <Pici> bazhang: sorry, I had work™ to get done, couldn't keep watching the channel
[14:33] <bazhang> Pici, I guessed as much, it's just that he was cursing up  a storm , and repeatedly ignored us asking him to get on topic. In PM even less pleasant
[14:33] <bazhang> I wish ACParsnip would not enable those cases so much
[14:34] <Pici> ditto
[15:03] <genii> bazhang: "no apps I installed are working" ... I figure we'll find out later they are downloading them directly instead of using package manager
[15:04] <bazhang> genii, he's slav of some sort ;serious language barrier.
[15:04] <genii> Ouch.
[15:15] <bazhang> since when did the -f flag on install mean force
[15:16] <bazhang> whoops apt
[15:16] <IdleOne> for apt -f is fix but maybe when updating rc.d it is force?
[15:17] <bazhang> ah missed that
[15:17] <bazhang> I think there are people who stay up late thinking of near impossible to resolve issues, just for *Fun*
[15:18] <bazhang> no usb boot, no cd, only warty disk how to upgrade
[15:19] <IdleOne> he can download the lastest iso and have grub2 boot to it and then install I suppose.
[15:19] <IdleOne> I think that is possible, never tried myself
[15:20] <bazhang> I'm not sure if he's giving the whole picture from the outset
[15:20] <bazhang> wont boot, why's he worried about grub
[15:20] <IdleOne> probably has a corrupt image
[15:20] <bazhang> slow internet cannot get a 12mb mini iso
[15:20] <IdleOne> thing is that it is booting just getting stuck on splash
[15:21] <bazhang> well to configure PPPoe he needs some kind of java capable browser
[15:28]  * genii sips and ponders pon/poff/pppoeconf
[15:38] <bazhang> he spams/floods the channel , cursing and inside of two minutes is banned. and thats "no reason"
[15:39] <IdleOne> I know that I get faster service when I walk into a restaurant and start flipping over tables
[15:40] <bazhang> YES
[15:46]  * genii starts smashing all the china and cursing when the waiter ignores his request for more coffee
[15:48] <IdleOne> justifiable coffeecide ^
[15:48] <IdleOne> nothing should keep a person from their coffee
[15:48] <bazhang> beanslaughter
[15:49]  * genii glues the china back together
[15:50] <TheSheep> actually coffee beans are not beans at all
[15:50] <TheSheep> they are seeds
[15:50] <genii> Yes, they're actually a fruit and not a vegetable...
[15:51] <TheSheep> just like tomatos
[15:51] <TheSheep> tomatoes?
[15:51] <IdleOne> yes
[15:51] <bazhang> potatoe
[15:51] <IdleOne> but have you ever tried making a cup of tomato coffee?
[15:52] <genii> IdleOne: Not recently!
[15:52] <TheSheep> I think I saw that once
[15:52] <IdleOne> genii: :)
[15:52] <TheSheep> wasn't pretty
[16:26] <bazhang> no wonder they banned him
[16:26] <k1l> what does вы заелись господа mean?
[16:27] <IdleOne> seems to me they are just trolling
[16:33] <bazhang> still in -irc
[16:33] <bazhang> I have him in PM as well
[16:36] <Ubuntu-user> hello
[16:36] <k1l> hi
[16:37] <k1l> hmm, something is going on there
[16:39] <Ubuntu-user> hello
[16:39] <Ubuntu-user> Anyone around
[16:39] <Ubuntu-user> ?
[16:39] <bazhang> yes
[16:39] <Ubuntu-user> Some user keeps on ping me disturbing pictures
[16:39] <Ubuntu-user> my ignore feature isn't working
[16:40] <bazhang>  /mode nick +g
[16:40] <Ubuntu-user> ok
[16:40] <bazhang> yournick
[16:40] <IdleOne> that is younick, not the other users nick
[16:40] <Ubuntu-user> oh
[16:40] <Ubuntu-user> why?
[16:40] <bazhang> blocks ALL pm
[16:40] <IdleOne> +g sets a do not disturb flag on your nick
[16:40] <bazhang> To you
[16:40] <Ubuntu-user> ok
[16:41] <IdleOne> you will be able to allow users to PM you if you wish
[16:41] <Ubuntu-user> thansk
[16:41] <tsimpson> !umode
[16:41] <bazhang>  /accept on a case by case basis
[16:42] <bazhang> whats the nick of the PM spammer
[16:42] <Ubuntu-user> I believe his name was sahil
[16:42] <Ubuntu-user> people were complaining about him last night
[16:42] <bazhang> ok thanks
[16:42] <Ubuntu-user> what will you do?
[16:42] <bazhang> tell them what we told you
[16:42] <Ubuntu-user> I'm just testing out different clients on my OS
[16:42] <Ubuntu-user> :)
[16:43] <Ubuntu-user> what client do you use bazhang  ?
[16:45] <bazhang> xchat
[16:46] <icelite> ah
[16:46] <icelite> Im setting up Quassel
[16:46] <icelite> its hard
[16:46] <icelite> its in japanese
[16:47] <bazhang> try #quassel icelite
[16:48] <icelite> I tried
[16:48] <icelite> I couldn't follow their directions :p
[16:48] <icelite> they never response
[16:48] <icelite> any update on sahib ?
[16:48] <icelite> sahil*
[16:48] <icelite> ?
[16:48] <bazhang> no
[16:48] <bazhang> so be patient
[16:50] <icelite> ok
[16:50] <icelite> im trying
[16:51] <bazhang> icelite, anything else?
[16:51] <icelite> well
[16:51] <icelite> wait
[16:52] <IdleOne> icelite: This channel is not for support or chit chat, if there is nothing else we can help with regarding a ban or problems with another user please part.
[16:53] <icelite> ah ok
[16:53] <icelite> thanks again
[16:53] <IdleOne> sure thing
[17:06]  * Pici sighs
[17:06] <Pici> themanwithnoface's whois says hes going to the university in my city.
[17:06] <bazhang> haha
[17:06] <LjL-Alps> Pici: maybe you even know his face
[17:07] <Pici> I hope not.
[17:07] <IdleOne> Maybe one day he will come work with you
[17:07] <bazhang> he uses smuxi
[17:07] <IdleOne> A hospital would be a good place for a man with no face
[17:16] <Pici> chrun
[17:17] <bazhang> charun run run
[17:17] <bazhang> baba chrun
[17:20] <bazhang> since when did gparted live cd have dhclient
[17:21] <bazhang> this is like putting the cart before the horse , except the horse is in the barn, and the cart was sold at auction
[17:28] <bazhang> vbox will use whatever the host has
[17:29] <Pici> I thought there was a usb pass-through mode or something
[17:29] <bazhang> it's like expecting nvidia drivers to power the graphics in a vm
[17:30] <bazhang> for a simple usb stick sure
[17:30] <bazhang> but a usb wifi dongle? neer heard of that
[17:30]  * Pici shrugs
[17:37] <genii> I actually have some old usb wifi things, Ovislinks
[17:39] <bazhang> we need some sort of factoid for this
[17:40] <bazhang> perhaps !gordianknot
[18:12] <genii> Meh, wubi
[19:12] <Myrtti> which was the samsung laptop that you shouldn't buy again?
[19:14] <bazhang> the one that got bricked
[19:14] <bazhang> thats been fixed however
 ubuntuissue's issue is an ubuntu issue - stop sending him elsewhere.
[19:38] <bazhang> guess what detected
[21:16] <Jordan_U> Myrtti: It was most samsung laptops IIRC.
[23:05] <IdleOne> done


[23:15] <likwid--> im upgrading to 11.10 now
[23:15] <likwid--> hopefully wont have too many problems
[23:32] <GrahamIRC> Hello, anyone here?


[02:46] <studiobot> Chris was removed by: Chris
[19:44] <WoC> eta next release ?
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> !release | WoC
[19:45] <WoC> k ty, appreciated
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> !disco | WoC
[19:46] <WoC> Eickmeyer: would know if the amdgpu driver is the recommended driver for amd r5 graphics ?
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> WoC: I use the open source driver included in the kernel. AMD only releases a closed-source (Pro) driver for LTS releases.
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> WoC: I have the same graphics you do.
[19:47] <WoC> ok, ty. do you use OpenCL ?
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> I probably wouldn't know if I did.
[19:48] <WoC> ok, appreciated though
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> I have a special command line in the boot that I use that I'll pass along to you.
[19:48] <WoC> modlines?
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> Make sure the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line looks like this in /etc/default/grub: "quiet splash radeon.cik_support=0 radeon.si_support=0 amdgpu.dc=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1 amdgpu.si_support=1 amdgpu.dpm=0"
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> That has given me the best performance for my graphics.
[19:49] <WoC> ty, i will check it out
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> yw
[19:57] <soundmate> can someone help get my bluetooth input working? I'm totally new to ubuntu studio, struggling to find audio settings :o
[19:58] <soundmate> into patchage but not sure how to define inputs
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> soundmate: Bluetooth and Jack aren't compatible. Bluetooth naturally introduces latency.
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> Jack will not recognize bluetooth devices.
[20:01] <soundmate> right, that clears that up, thanks


[16:41] <k1l> skinux: most times its a licence issue that those projects dont want it that way. but you could look at the packaging guides
[16:41] <ana_> hola
[16:41] <k1l> skinux: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/
[16:42] <EriC^^> !checkinstall | skinux
[16:42] <jlund> NickServ identify woopwoop
[16:42] <jlund> LOL
[16:44] <jlund> Fun typo.
[16:44] <zikoo> hello
[16:46] <backbox> h'
[16:46] <backbox> hi
[17:04] <lasersaber> hi, what can i use to create an iso file from a cd that i have?
[17:07] <lasersaber> never mind
[17:27] <groundze1o> hello there
[17:27] <groundze1o> how are you doing
[17:30] <xXEoflaOEXx> groundze1o, Hello.
[17:38] <prezz> THE NIGGER IS LEAVING RIGHT NOW!!! prezz greuh gregl mizu_no_oto madsa coy milardovich theblazehen delfos mhache carbon-cabron murphy tnovacik Szadek Texou skweek trini7y MrP2 suutala f10 miczac groundze1o poco h0schi silverhom nicoulaj fguillot jamie_1 FunkSt8r dazhuang pos dv_ desti anon5635 Roland Nyxus johndoe66 Troy1 rjb__ renn0xtk9 _arktos75_ timvisher mewecoffeeX64 Suchorski cyborg-one ph8
[17:39] <silverhom> umkey
[17:39] <wlp1s1> *sigh*
[17:40] <jamie_1> gotta lover spammers.... not
[17:40] <miczac> !kickban prezz
[17:40] <xXEoflaOEXx> miczac, he left.
[17:40] <miczac> yeah, too slow
[17:41] <housekeeping> 2 classy 4 me
[17:41] <mizu_no_oto> well, was already kicked
[17:50] <toor> what ports does this client use?
[17:52] <MrP2> I have two computers both running 64 bit xubuntu 16.04.1 and I'm trying to get synergy to work. When I install with "apt install synergy," one computer will install 1.7.6-1~getdeb1 and the other will install 1.6.2-0ubuntu2 how can I get them on the same version?
[17:54] <xXEoflaOEXx> MrP2, Try apt-get update on one computer that is receiving synergy of 1.6.2.
[17:54] <MrP2> Same thing, shows 1.6.2 as the newest version
[17:55] <xXEoflaOEXx> MrP2, Maybe one computer does not have getdeb on it.
[17:56] <MrP2> xXEoflaOEXx, What is that/What does that mean?
[17:56] <xXEoflaOEXx> MrP2, That means one of the two computers does not have the getdeb repository to download synergy 1.7.6-1~getdeb1.
[17:57] <MonkeyDust> MrP2  are you using a ppa on one of the computers? a ppa is a non-official source
[17:57] <toor> Why is this IRC server not using an standard IRC port ? chat.freenode.net:8001
[17:58] <MrP2> I believe so. I am trying to add getdeb on the 1.6 pc real quick
[17:58] <MonkeyDust> toor  it's 6667
[17:58] <k1l> toor: freenode offers several different ports.
[17:59] <k1l> toor: maybe the guys from #freenode can answer your detailed questions on the irc service
[18:00] <toor> MrP2, how do I check? freenode says is listening on 8001
[18:00] <minimec> toor: If you use irc.freenode.net you would have your default port... ;)
[18:01] <k1l> toor: see https://freenode.net/kb/answer/chat
[18:01] <wedgie> chat.freenode.net does listen on 6667
[18:02] <MrP2> MonkeyDust, I've added getdeb and It's updated to 1.7.6 thanks so much!
[18:03] <toor> netstat says :
[18:03] <toor> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:41104         <IP_ADDRESS>:8001      ESTABLISHED 2565/xchat-gnome
[18:04] <wedgie> toor: do you have an ubuntu question?
[18:05] <CrazyTux> What are the advantages of installing Ubuntu OS rather than Unity DE?
[18:05] <k1l> CrazyTux: ubuntu ships with unity as standard desktop. your question doesnt make sense
[18:06] <CrazyTux> k1l, I'm using Xubuntu now. If I intend to use Unity do I need to reinstall the OS?
[18:07] <k1l> CrazyTux: ah ok. no you can install "ubuntu-desktop" which will install all the programs and unity and you can switch on the login screen between xfce and unity then
[18:08] <CrazyTux> k1l, ok. But, it'll be same as using Ubuntu?
[18:08] <MonkeyDust> MrP2  great
[18:09] <guillem_> hello there! first time trying an irc. I hope you all have a nice day!
[18:09] <k1l> CrazyTux: yes
[18:09] <CrazyTux> k1l, ok. Thanks a lot.
[18:13] <MrP2> MonkeyDust, would you by chance know how to get the "Browse Network" in thunar to work?
[18:21] <niko1990> Hello everyone =)
[18:21] <thechanceg> Since updating to 16.04 my mouse buttons 4 & 5 don't seem to be responding. Any ideas?
[18:22] <CrazyTux> how to move the Virtual Box to another partition on the HDD?
[18:23] <niko1990> Could someone recomend a program firewall (that asks me everythime a new program wants to connect to the internet)? I found something called lpfw (leopard flower) but i'm not sure if this is trust able and good... Thanks in advanced =)
[18:24] <minimec> CrazyTux: We answered that hours ago... ?!? http://pastebin.com/g8bJzxXV
[18:33] <jabir-pi> hi
[18:37] <ipwn> how do i make xscreensaver work w fortune??
[18:40] <chalcedony> my husband's computer has a warning on it: "The volume "boot" has only zero bytes disk space remaining" this doesn't sound good. Im not sure what to do?
[18:40] <chalcedony> he's running ubuntu 16.04
[18:40] <k1l> chalcedony: can you show a pastebin url of "df -h" in here?
[18:41] <chalcedony> k1l, ill try .. he never set up ssh server .. is it ok to start hexchat on there?
[18:42] <k1l> chalcedony: can you boot that machine and start the desktop?
[18:42] <chalcedony> k1l, it's running, i told him not to do anything on it till i asked
[18:43] <k1l> chalcedony: ok, we need to get a bit of informations  to work out the proper solution. so running " df -h | nc termbin.com 9999" will show a output url in the terminal. please show that here
[18:44] <k1l> chalcedony: and yes, starting hexchat there should work, too and do no harm.
[18:44] <warriordad> I'd like to set up an ubuntu server on my home network   ---    i bout an older dell but im a beginner   and good words?
[18:44] <chalcedony> k1l, is there a curl command that will let it print to pastebin?
[18:45] <chalcedony> warriordad, sounds like a great idea
[18:45] <k1l> chalcedony: my command already does this with the | (pipe) to termbin
[18:45] <chalcedony> ah OK
[18:45] <k1l> warriordad: install ubuntu server and start using it with ssh :)
[18:45] <warriordad> with ssh?
[18:46] <k1l> warriordad: that is how you usually manage the server
[18:46] <warriordad> ah ok
[18:46] <warriordad> writing this down   i know way old school lol
[18:47] <warriordad> gonna use a 2t external for storage
[18:48] <k1l> warriordad: keep in mind that external storage got slower data speeds due to the connection over usb
[18:49] <warriordad> ah ok   so i should go with internal?
[18:51] <thechanceg> Huh... I plugged in my mouse receiver dongle to another usb port and now buttons 4 & 5 are working... so problem solved I guess
[18:53] <chalcedony> k1l http://termbin.com/i6u3
[18:55] <k1l> chalcedony: ok, so you got a lvm there and a seperated /boot partition (sda1). that is where the kernels are put in. and that is 90% full.
[18:55] <k1l> chalcedony: can you please show the output url of "ls -al /boot |nc termbin.com 9999"
[18:56] <chalcedony> k1l, yes ok ill get that
[18:56] <DarkAceZ> I'm about to upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04, but I don't have a place to back up my huge home folder to
[18:56] <DarkAceZ> how strongly is it recommended to have a backup before doing the install?
[18:56] <DarkAceZ> I'll be doing from the "livecd" (off of a flash drive)
[18:57] <ipwn> i want xscreensaver screensavers to display random text from fortune program, on xscreensaver there is a option for this under Advanced->Text Manipulation but it not works..
[18:57] <ipwn> i want xscreensaver screensavers to display random text from fortune program, on xscreensaver there is a option for this under Advanced->Text Manipulation but it not works.. does anybody knows how to make this work??
[18:57] <amer> how can i decrypt sage file ?
[18:58] <minimec> DarkAceZ: Is /home on a separate partition?
[18:59] <thechanceg> How important are your files & do you have them backed up at all DarkAceZ? FWIW, I just did that upgrade on two seperate systems, and both went fine.
[18:59] <chull> k1l, http://termbin.com/cq5k
[18:59] <DarkAceZ> minimec: no
[18:59] <chull> <-- chalcedony's hubby
[19:00] <DarkAceZ> I thought I'd just update my documents and some of my projects, but as I was selecting them, I realized I already had over 50GB lol
[19:00] <minimec> DarkAceZ: Hmm... Well... I would NOT recommend that. As you are using a 'flash drive', it is even more scary...
[19:00] <DarkAceZ> so I might just have to look for very specific things to back up and hope for the best
[19:00] <k1l> chull: ok, can you run in terminal "sudo apt autoremove" and does it remove something or does it just give an error?
[19:01] <DarkAceZ> minimec: perhaps you misunderstand, I'm installing/updating _from_ the USB flash drive which I believe is an option on the installer, but my current system is on an internal SSD
[19:02] <minimec> DarkAceZ: I do understand you, but if you want to upgrade, I would do it within the 14.04 installation.
[19:02] <chull> k1l, The following packages will be REMOVED:
[19:02] <chull>   gpsd kde-l10n-engb libcdaudio1 libgps22 libgrits5 librsl1 libslv2-9
[19:02] <chull>   linux-headers-4.4.0-53 linux-headers-4.4.0-53-generic
[19:02] <chull>   linux-image-4.4.0-53-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-53-generic
[19:02] <chull>   308 mg
[19:03] <DarkAceZ> minimec: ah, I see. I was told that it was more reliable to shut down the system and do it from another source (livecd)
[19:03] <k1l> chull: type yes
[19:03] <minimec> DarkAceZ: Imagine you have that question... 'replace 14.04 with 16.04'... Will it format the partition? I don't know...
[19:03] <chull> ok ty k1l
[19:04] <k1l> chull: when that is done, we remove need to remove an old 3.19 kernel, too. but first let apt do its work
[19:04] <chull> k1l, ok its working, thank you!
[19:05] <DarkAceZ> minimec: Okay, thank you, I'll look more into what's the best way to go about upgrading this
[19:06] <chull> k1l, it has an error: N: Ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[19:07] <k1l> chull: does it stop? or is it just  warning and continuing
[19:07] <chull> k1l, that's the end
[19:08] <k1l> chull: sudo rm /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old      #that will remove that old file which causes that warning.
[19:08] <chull> k1l, oh great, we've been wondering what to do about that
[19:09] <k1l> chull: when that is done please run "dpkg -l | grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999" and show the url here
[19:09] <Reox_> Hi everyone! I have just installed Ubuntu trusty 14.04 armhf in an Embedded device but I am facing a problem. The system boots up normally, but if I execute "apt-get" nothing happens, no error of command not found, just empty output, any idea of where to look for information?. I can ping to the internet, so it shouldnt be a problem with the conexion
[19:09] <chull> k1l, okies ty
[19:11] <chull> k1l, http://termbin.com/s68m
[19:12] <k1l> chull: sudo apt purge linux-image-3.19.0-77-generic
[19:12] <minimec> Reox_: You do 'sudo apt-get *something*' right?
[19:12] <EriC^^> Reox_: try running the full command, sudo /usr/bin/apt-get update
[19:12] <chull> k1l, ok
[19:13] <Reox_> The same behaviour, nothing. Empty output
[19:14] <chull> k1l, it's done :)
[19:14] <k1l> chull: ok, your system should be good now
[19:14] <EriC^^> Reox_: does it do anything without using sudo? just /usr/bin/apt-get ?
[19:15] <chull> k1l, is this behavior something we should do something to prevent happening in the future?
[19:15] <Reox_> unfortunately same results
[19:16] <k1l> chull: the issue here was, that a 3.19 kernel was still installed from before the upgrade to 16.04. that meant it was blocking some space in /boot. now that should do fine itself again.
[19:17] <Reox_> even if i just write "apt-get" there is no outupt about the usage of the command
[19:17] <minimec> Reox_: 'ls /usr/bin/apt*'
[19:17] <mircx1> Reox
[19:17] <mircx1> maybe i can help to you
[19:18] <mircx1> you have problem with update?
[19:18] <chull> k1l, ah i see! thank you very much! have a lovely day :)
[19:18] <Reox_> /usr/bin/apt         /usr/bin/apt-extracttemplates  /usr/bin/apt-mark
[19:18] <Reox_> /usr/bin/apt-cache   /usr/bin/apt-ftparchive        /usr/bin/apt-sortpkgs
[19:18] <Reox_> /usr/bin/apt-cdrom   /usr/bin/apt-get
[19:18] <Reox_> /usr/bin/apt-config  /usr/bin/apt-key
[19:18] <minimec> Reox_: Ok. 'sudo apt update'
[19:19] <k1l> Reox_: is that a snappy core install?
[19:19] <minimec> Reox_: If that doesn't work, your user is not in the sudo list.
[19:20] <wadie> question about environment variables
[19:20] <wadie> I did a export electron=./node_modules/.bin/electron
[19:20] <wadie> but executing electron command return command not found
[19:20] <wadie> any ideas ?
[19:21] <akik> wadie: replace export with alias
[19:21] <Reox_> @minimec http://www.armhf.com/download/ ubuntu-trusty-14.04-armhf.com-20140603.tar.xz (June 3, 2014)
[19:21] <EriC^^> wadie: you want "alias electron='/path/to/node_modules/.bin/electron'"
[19:21] <wadie> what is path to ? if tit's /.node_modules
[19:21] <EriC^^> wadie: ./ won't cut it, you need the full path or you'd have to run it in the relative path every time
[19:21] <wadie> ./
[19:22] <mypcisfun> hello,can i ubuntu install on efi32 laptop?
[19:22] <EriC^^> wadie: browse to the file and run readlink -f electron and it should say
[19:22] <mypcisfun> sorry, install ubuntu
[19:22] <EriC^^> mypcisfun: yes, not by default though you need to modify the installer
[19:23] <EriC^^> mypcisfun: look for guides on google for the specific laptop
[19:24] <minimec> Reox_: How do you install that version? Do you 'dd' it on the drive and have a install wizard on first boot?
[19:24] <wadie> mypcisfun, alias seems to be working for a session only..
[19:24] <wadie> I want it permanent
[19:25] <EriC^^> wadie: add it to ~/.bashrc
[19:27] <wadie> working,thanks!!
[19:27] <wadie> even though I don't like editing files much :/
[19:27] <wadie> can end up having a messy ubuntu installation
[19:27] <Reox_> Just untar the rootfs in the second partition of the SD and the kernel loaded it
[19:29] <Term1nal> Is there a way I can enable diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 in my SSH configuration as to avoid appending the -oKexAlgorithms flag to every SSH command I input (for ssh into old devices that still offer this exchange protocol).
[19:30] <minimec> Reox_: ok. Do you have a graphical environment?  What does 'sudo -i' give you?
[19:30] <Term1nal> It is similarly inhibiting my ability to add the endpoint to my Nautilus to browse the filesystem over SFTP, since there's no way in which to specify that key exchange algorithm with Nautilus.
[19:31] <tomreyn> Term1nal: you can have host profiles in your ~/.ssh/config for this purpose. wildcards work there, too.
[19:31] <Reox_> I am working connected with serial
[19:31] <Reox_> sudo -i give no output
[19:31] <Term1nal> Host * is specified in my system-wide SSH configuration, however, I still cannot connect without appending the -oKexAlgorithms flag
[19:31] <bekks> It isnt intended to give you output.
[19:32] <bekks> It gives you a root shell.
[19:32] <Reox_> I am going to recopy the rootfs i think that i have change someting in the first boot up
[19:32] <minimec> Reox_: so sudo -i doesn't give you 'root@<yourmachine>'
[19:32] <bekks> Reox_: ?
[19:33] <tomreyn> Term1nal: and you have "KexAlgorithms +diffie-hellman-group1-sha1" below that "Host *" line?
[19:33] <Reox_> no
[19:33] <Reox_> yes, sorry
[19:33] <Reox_> but i was already root, so no change
[19:33] <bekks> so using sudo -i is nonsense, then.
[19:34] <socket-work> Hey all,  so I have this 6 liner script ( http://apaste.info/9AMfK ). When I copy and paste all 6 lines into a shell it seems to only execute the first 2 lines, i look at my command history, and indeed only the first 2 lines were ran.  Is there something about using the -y flag that prevents succeeding instructions from being executed?
[19:34] <tomreyn> Term1nal: just to make sure you don't miss this fact: this degreades the security of your ssh authentication and  the right way to fix it is not to work around it this way but to upgrade the remote endpoint to support a current key echange mechanism
[19:35] <Term1nal> tomreyn: I am well aware, it's an old embedded device that I'm trying to upgrade
[19:35] <Term1nal> tomreyn: I did add that below that line, yes.
[19:36] <minimec> Reox_: do you have internet access? Can you like 'ping irc.freenode.net'?
[19:37] <tomreyn> Term1nal: hmm i haven't actually tried this myself, so all i can suggest there is to use ssh with -vvv
[19:37] <tomreyn> ..for debugging purposes
[19:38] <Reox_> yes, I can ping google.com
[19:38] <Reox_> fixed, as always human error.
[19:40] <Reox_> I have mess up with the rights
[19:40] <Reox_> new root fs (the same original one) and its working
[19:41] <minimec> Reox_: Really strange. 1. Software is installed, 2. you are 'root', 3. internet access is verified... 4. 14.04 doesn't have a 'ubuntu core' version (i think'). I see no reason for 'apt-get' not to run... Do you get at least something if you type 'apt-get --help'?
[19:42] <minimec> Reox_: Oh I see your message right now... ;)
[19:45] <royal_screwup21> Hey all!
[19:47] <royal_screwup21> I want to find the size of a website via the terminal. Is there an in-built command or a package that would allow me to accomplish this?
[19:47] <teward> royal_screwup21: what do you mean by 'the size of a website'?
[19:50] <royal_screwup21> teward Well, I'm planning to download a website using the "wget" function and I need to know if its total file capacity fits within my available space
[19:51] <royal_screwup21> I'm not exactly sure how the size is measured, but I assume all of its webpages will be stored in the form of files
[19:52] <noname> hi guys
[19:53] <royal_screwup21> teward Any ideas?
[19:54] <teward> royal_screwup21: if you don't have access to the files yet because you haven't downloaded it, there's no real way to guess the file size
[19:54] <teward> since downloading a website and its resources isn't really enumerable until it's downloaded.
[19:55] <wedgie> royal_screwup21: might ask in #wget if wget has a way to enumerate the file sizes without downloading them. --spider sounds vaguely related, but not sure how to apply that to your problem
[19:55] <k1l> royal_screwup21: and its not really a working clone since today there are not real static webpages but the stuff is dynamic.
[19:58] <royal_screwup21> k1l: Ah, that makes sense.  But what if I wanted to download something like, say, Britannica (or any other info-based website)?
[20:01] <royal_screwup21> I'm assuming such websites (like wikipedia, britannica) are mostly static, but I might be wrong
[20:04] <Random832> i can tell you right now you don't have enough space to download all of wikipedia
[20:04] <kyle__> Theoretically, if you wanted to see the source for a sample util, you should be able to to to packages.ubuntu.com/<releasename>/<packagename> and find it in the "Download Source Package" section, right?
[20:07] <MonkeyDust> kyle__  or use    apt download [package]
[20:08] <kyle__> MonkeyDust: Hrumm.  Because I'm trying to find the source for pico2wave from libpicotts-utils
[20:08] <kyle__> Err, libttspico-utils rather.  And nothing in the links have it in there.
[20:09] <k1l> kyle__: svox is the source package
[20:10] <kyle__> k1l: Yeah, but it's not in here.
[20:10] <kyle__> In the orig.tar.gz or the .debian.tar.gz
[20:10] <k1l> kyle__: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libttspico-utils  lists the source package at the top of the page
[20:11] <kyle__> k1l: The source for pico2wav isn't in those files is what I'm saying.
[20:17] <MonkeyDust> !find libttspico-utils
[20:17] <k1l> kyle__: it should be in the svox source files
[20:18] <kyle__> k1l: It's not though.  I grabbed the tarball.  I grabed the git from the android site.  I grabbed the git from the debian site.
[20:19] <kyle__> The lib isn't very well documented so I just wanted to read the source for that little demo-app to figure out how to use it :)
[20:19] <k1l> do they ship that just as a binary? i dont know about pico2wave
[20:20] <wedgie> what's the license on it?
[20:20] <kyle__> When you install the -utils package you get the pico2wave binary
[20:21] <kyle__> Apache I think....
[20:22] <kyle__> From what I downloaed via git, the source files have the pache license version 2.0 at the top of each file.
[20:26] <Apachez> do there exist a netinstall of ubuntu for raspberry pi 2 and 3?
[20:26] <nazmulwanted> hello everyone... new to this channel
[20:27] <kyle__> Apachez: I doubt it.  I"m not positive for the 3, but I know the rasperry pi A/B, 2, and nano can't netboot.  They can only boot from SD card.
[20:28] <k1l> Apachez: i dont know if that rpi can do netinstall. usually you just put the image file onto the sdcard
[20:28] <Apachez> well or at least like the raspbian netinstall
[20:28] <Apachez> that is a 32mb image onto sd card to boot from and fetch the rest through network
[20:28] <Apachez> so you only install what you want
[20:28] <Apachez> I have located some outdated 16.04 images at ubuntu homepage
[20:28] <Apachez> but not a word of 16.10 which sucks
[20:30] <markus-k> hi. What would you guys suggest for installing a few identical Ubuntu servers? Running through the installer by hand everytime is sorta annoying and time consuming. And just cloning the filesystem is probably not the best idea due to duplicate ssh host keys etc
[20:31] <tgm4883> markus-k: puppet
[20:31] <teward> ^ that
[20:32] <markus-k> for installing ubuntu to bare metal? Haven't used Puppet before
[20:32] <bekks> markus-k: a plain kickstart file and a tftp boot server.
[20:33] <housekeeping> is there a 3 finger solute for linux?
[20:33] <tgm4883> yea puppets not going to work for that
[20:33] <tgm4883> housekeeping: ctrl+alt+delete
[20:33] <tgm4883> housekeeping: or ctrl+break+REISUB if it's a kernel panic
[20:34] <tgm4883> ok
[20:34] <kyle__> markus-k: preseed.
[20:35] <kyle__> markus-k: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apb.html
[20:35] <kyle__> markus-k: We use preseed and pxeboot for our servers at work.  Going with both is WAY overboard for home, but you can specify a preseed from the stock installer :)
[20:36] <Guest88049> c
[20:36] <Layl> Heya, on PulseAudio, my sound card seems to not listen at all to the configured Output Device volume
[20:37] <Layl> 0% volume will be muted, 1%, 50%, 75%, 100% will all be 100%, 150% will be 150%
[20:37] <Layl> for obvious reasons my ears don't like this
[20:37] <Layl> Anyone got a fix?
[20:39] <markus-k> kyle__ yep, looked at preseeds before but wasn't sure if it's any good for the purpose, probably one of the better solutions. thank you.
[20:40] <housekeeping> tgm4883, ty
[20:49] <kyle__> markus-k: I use them all the time.  I have literally hundreds of physical servers installed with them right now.  They are horrible compared to what you can do with redhat kickstart, except that with kickstart you have to use RHEL or one of the RHEL clones.  Which is whyI don't use that ;)
[20:52] <markus-k> kyle__: I really should too. Installed 7 servers at work by hand, that got boring kinda quickly. Only problem is, the nics are all LACP bonded with a few vlans on it, not sure if the bios can actually pxe boot from that and i didn't get the network working in the installer at that time
[20:53] <Layl> Anyone got an idea for my pulseaudio issue?
[20:54] <MonkeyDust> Layl  if you don't get an answer here, try in #ubuntustudio
[20:54] <ioria> kyle__,  pico2wave.c in (apt-get source svox) in  /pico/bin
[20:55] <kyle__> markus-k: The bios probably can pxeboot (almost all can nowdays), but the bigger issue will be getting the switch to allow a single, non-LACP connection to boot and run, and then autodetect the change to LACP when you bond it later on.
[20:55] <kyle__> My network admin found some nifty settings and did that for me, but I have no idea what black magicks she performs to make it work.
[20:55] <kyle__> She stays on her side of the switch, I stay on mine.
[21:00] <countingdaisies> does anyone know what privacydotlink is? I can't find anything directly about what it is.
[21:00] <MonkeyDust> countingdaisies  this is ubunt support
[21:00] <k1l> countingdaisies: in what context?
[21:01] <theseb> easy to replace pinentry-gnome3 with pinentry-gtk3 for debugging purposes? how?
[21:02] <hurvin> ftp server ubuntu server ?
[21:03] <hurvin> Any software other than proftpd nor vsftpd
[21:04] <Southern_Gentlem> hurvin,  why a ftp server at all you have ssh so you can sftp
[21:04] <kyle__> hurvin: apt-cache search ftpd
[21:04] <hurvin> thanks kyle__
[21:05] <k1l> hurvin: dont use ftp its not encrypted. use sftp.
[21:05] <countingdaisies> "PrivacyDotLink Customer ..." seems to show up in the Registrant Name field of whois searches - with a 6 gidit number appended to it. If it is some kind of anonymity service it must be elite bc there is not web site with that domain and searches do not indicate a way to sign up. Is it part of tld scheme with icann or something?
[21:06] <k1l> countingdaisies: that is not related to ubuntu support. please ask those questions in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:07] <kyle__> countingdaisies: THere are a number of privacy services like that out there, for domain registration.  They kindof suck, and are kindof skeezy, but they have their place.   You could do it by hand without much difficulty.
[21:15] <MonkeyDust> beardedeagle  mind your language
[21:15] <k1l> dont mind the troll, he is already kicked out of the irc server, voldz1tic3n beardedeagle
[21:16] <beardedeagle> noted MonkeyDust, and thanks for the update k1l
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[21:33] <eternal-pain> the hell is up here?
[21:35] <donofrio> 0.o
[21:39] <zamanf> how can I block all non-vpn traffic on ubuntu?
[21:40] <turej> the xubuntu installer asks for a wifi connection in order to get "third party software" amongst other things. my question is: will i be allowed to choose which third party software to download or will it get it all on it's own?
[21:41] <doux> After creating a persistent usb drive, and a new user, can I get rid of the ubuntu@ubuntu user that has sudo privileges? I don't want to have a user with no password on my Ubuntu persistent USB drive...
[21:41] <doux> 16.04
[21:41] <doux> mkusb
[21:43] <zamanf> is it possible to stop DNS leaks on ubuntu?
[21:44] <doux> or is ubuntu@ubuntu the root user on Live distro?
[21:46] <noc__> turej, it "will get it on its own" but it's pretty standard stuff, what is the issue?
[21:47] <turej> noc__: what kind of standard software are we talking here, is there a list of it
[21:47] <doux> is ubuntu@ubuntu on a live USB just another user with sudo priviledges?
[21:49] <doux> I guess everyone is watching that thing with that guy driving down the street...
[21:49] <noc__> turej, its called ubuntu-restricted-extras, list is browseable at http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-restricted-extras and http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-restricted-addons
[21:50] <turej> ah thank you noc__, you performed that action which many at #ubuntu had not the necessary foresight to do
[21:51] <noc__> most users here are fellow users helping as volunteers, not paid workers for customer support, many just lurk here t learn about ubuntu, so don't expect anything
[21:51] <doux> noc__: understood.
[21:56] <theseb> easy to replace pinentry-gnome3 with pinentry-gtk3 for debugging?
[22:01] <lucas-arg> hey all any one could connect a samsung s7 with mtp??
[22:01] <lucas-arg> i cant get mine connected/mounted
[22:06] <aruns> Hi.
[22:06] <aruns> I am running Ubuntu 16.04.
[22:06] <aruns> I appear to have messed up permissions for /usr/bin
[22:06] <aruns> And do not particularly want to have to reinstall.
[22:06] <Random832> aruns, does sudo work?
[22:06] <bekks> aruns: What have you done, in detail?
[22:06] <aruns> Random832: It does not
[22:07] <Random832> do you have any existing root shell already open
[22:07] <bekks> aruns: What have you done, in detail?
[22:07] <aruns> I can boot into recovery mode and open a shell as root.
[22:08] <zamanf> how do you stop dns leaks on ubuntu?
[22:08] <Random832> ah so you don't mind rebooting
[22:08] <aruns> bekks: Ran a recursive chown command about a week ago or so for my user, losing access to sudo for that user.
[22:08] <bekks> zamanf: What are dns leaks?
[22:08] <bekks> aruns: which command in particular?
[22:08] <Random832> ok so you've messed up ownership in addition to permissions
[22:08] <k1l> aruns: with recursive chown there is no help besides reinstall.
[22:08] <zamanf> bekks, ... long story
[22:08] <aruns> bekks: chown -R *myuser*:*myuser* /usr/bin
[22:08] <bekks> Cool, you messed it up. Reinstall.
[22:09] <aruns> I said that I don't want to have to reinstall.
[22:09] <bekks> aruns: You have to, despite what you want.
[22:09] <aruns> bekks: I am able to recover sudo access.
[22:10] <aruns> Would I not be able to change file permissions for each executable?
[22:10] <bekks> aruns: Thats irrelevant, since you need to MANUALLY restore the permissions and ownerships of every single file under /usr/bin. Several thousands.
[22:10] <k1l> aruns: it means you need to look up every permission file by file, folder by folder. this is in no way worth the effort.
[22:10] <aruns> Ah OK.
[22:10] <aruns> Alternatively.
[22:10] <aruns> Could I not boot a live Ubuntu CD
[22:11] <bekks> aruns: To shorten it up: No.
[22:11] <aruns> OK, thanks.
[22:11] <Random832> bekks, don't be so melodramatic, there are only a handful that aren't 0755 root.
[22:11] <Random832> dammit he left
[22:12] <Random832> jesus people it's /usr/bin not /
[22:12] <noc__> agree, on my system it's everything root:root except a couple dozen files
[22:12] <Random832> recursive doesn't even matter, /usr/bin doesn't have any subdirectories
[22:14] <Random832> don't know why you asked what he did in detail if you were gonna scare him off like that no matter what it actually was
[22:14] <bekks> Random832: I asked what he did in detail because his initial message was like "I did something, now my car does drive anymore".
[22:15] <bekks> If I'd know that you have glass orb, I'd not even considered asking him.
[22:16] <Random832> even if he'd done it a worse place, he could still probably have recovered by reinstalling all packages without having to do a fresh install.
[22:17] <bekks> For the sake of wasting time, I guess?
[22:30] <haled> I want to have ubuntu server on a USB flash drive so that it won't behave as an installation media, but rather an installed OS. How do I achieve this?
[22:34] <bekks> haled: Plug in an install medium, plug in your usb flash drive, and do a regular install onto the flash drive.
[22:37] <rypervenche> Random832: Welp, now we know for next time :)
[22:38] <lucas-arg> help mounting mtp files, using MM under Ubuntu 16.10 libmtp 1.1.12 wont mount correctly my samsung s7
[22:38] <lucas-arg> any clues??
[22:41] <cipher6> lucas-arg: I went through this issue recently, it was mounted like 15 files deep. Does the Samsung S7 show up in the Unity dock?
[22:42] <ZJAY> can i insatll a .pdf file or .eps file as a font?
[22:44] <cipher6> lucas-arg: are you seeing my response?
[22:44] <lucas-arg> cipher6, it does why i have gvfs-backends installed
[22:44] <cipher6> lucas-arg: I don't understand your question.
[22:45] <lucas-arg> cipher6, but it does not let me transfer files correctly
[22:45] <sylar> Which egrep command will allow me to output the words with that many characters as specified in the arguement of a basic script?
[22:46] <lucas-arg> cipher6, ubuntu mounts mtp, but it does not let me write more than 125 files. and it does not let me delete files from sdcard i can see them, but not much, i tried go-mtpfs jmtpfs uninstelled gvfs-backends etc but cant make it work corectly
[22:46] <lucas-arg> cipher6, i imagine libmtp 1.1.13 could make my s7 work but i cant find that version in repos
[22:46] <cipher6> lucas-arg: What kind of file are you transferring, and where are you sending it to?
[22:46] <k1l> lucas-arg: are you sure the android device is handling that correctly?
[22:46] <lucas-arg> i guess it is
[22:47] <lucas-arg> in fedora i use simple-mtpfs and it works ok
[22:47] <cipher6> lucas-arg: Also, i'm using a S7 with 16.04LTS stock, no special software installed, and it allows me to do file transfers fine,
[22:47] <lucas-arg> in ubuntu i cant make it work ok
[22:47] <cipher6> lucas-arg: is the phone set to MTP?
[22:47] <haled> bekks, thanks. Can I boot via virtualbox for this?
[22:47] <lucas-arg> cipher6, yes
[22:47] <cipher6> lucas-arg: what version of linux are you running?
[22:47] <lucas-arg> cipher6, ubuntu 16.10
[22:48] <k1l> lucas-arg: mtp-tools installed and that works with all my devices.
[22:48] <lucas-arg> its installed
[22:48] <k1l> lucas-arg: using nautilus
[22:48] <lucas-arg> using nautilis and terminal
[22:49] <lucas-arg> whatever i use
[22:49] <lucas-arg> cant copy more than 125 files
[22:49] <cipher6> lucas-arg: but you can transfer some files
[22:49] <absurdist> shaka when the walls fell
[22:49] <lucas-arg> cipher6, yeah
[22:49] <cipher6> lucas-arg: What kind of file, and where are you putting it on the phone?
[22:50] <reisio> lucas-arg: https://www.google.com/search?q=samsung%20s7%20enable%20usb%20mass%20storage
[22:50] <reisio> lucas-arg: or just use wireless transfers, as it was designed to use
[22:51] <lucas-arg> cipher6, 155 files mp3s
[22:51] <lucas-arg> reisio, it would take me years to transfer files with wifi
[22:52] <cipher6> lucas-arg: Are you sure the phone has space for all the files? (Starting with the most basic issue I can think of and working up from there)
[22:52] <lucas-arg> cipher6, it has
[22:53] <lostindark||> hi
[22:53] <sylar>  Which egrep command will allow me to output the words with that many
[22:53] <sylar> +characters as specified in the arguement of a basic script?
[22:53] <lostindark||> html editor plz
[22:53] <tgm4883> sylar: huh?
[22:54] <ZJAY> can I install a .eps or .pdf font style image as a font?
[22:54] <sylar> See i want to output those words in the /usr/share/dict/words file which is specified in a basic script arguement. so which egrep command to use for that?
[22:54] <k1l> ZJAY: pdf or eps are not font formats
[22:55] <tgm4883> sylar: you want to output the words that have a specific number of characters?
[22:55] <sylar> yea
[22:56] <ZJAY> this is what i wanted to install as a font= http://www.freepik.com/free-vector/neon-alphabet-with-symbols_946986.htm
[22:57] <ZJAY> so your saying that it is just a pretty picture then
[22:57] <k1l> ZJAY: no, doesnt work
[22:57] <k1l> ZJAY: yes
[22:57] <ZJAY> made to look like a font  or .ttf
[22:57] <ZJAY> ok
[22:57] <ZJAY>  ty
[22:58] <ZJAY> palm faces himself says "this sux"
[22:58] <k1l> ZJAY: looks like they want to sell you something on that page. so maybe they offer a proper formated file for paying customers
[22:59] <sylar> well anyone?
[22:59] <ZJAY> fonts are made to be free like butterflies
[22:59] <ZJAY> lol
[22:59] <ZJAY> thanks k1l
[23:02] <tgm4883> sylar: awk '{ if (length($1) == 4 ) print }' /usr/share/dict/words
[23:02] <tgm4883> sylar: that would do 4 letter words
[23:02] <sylar> can i do it using the egrep command?
[23:03] <tgm4883> sylar: why not use the command I just gave you?
[23:03] <sylar> I was trying my hand at egrep and stuff , so i just thought whether it would be possible with that also or not
[23:03] <tgm4883> sylar: yes it's possible
[23:04] <sylar> fairly new to linux as u can see :P
[23:04] <sylar> what would it be in that case?
[23:04] <tgm4883> sylar: you'd need to find the regex for that
[23:05] <sylar> can you tell me the difference between awk and egrep?
[23:05] <tgm4883> sylar: they are both different programs typically used for pattern matching
[23:06] <sylar> is one more efficient than the other or something like that?
[23:06] <tgm4883> sylar: no idea
[23:06] <tgm4883> sylar: usually I just use grep
[23:07] <riflex> hey
[23:07] <sylar> okay i will try it using the awk command , i didnt know that before
[23:07] <riflex> german linux user here?
[23:07] <sylar> tgm4883: thanks
[23:07] <tgm4883> !de | riflex
[23:08] <rpifan> i need to mount a vfat drive and give it permission of 0770, i have made changes in the fstab but it still mounts with persion of 0775, what can i do to get it to work right
[23:09] <reisio> sylar: wha?
[23:09] <reisio> 155 mp3s? he would've finished already with just wifi, ages ago
[23:10] <reisio> poor people living in denial, no one can save them
[23:10] <rypervenche> sylar: Each program has its strengths and weaknesses.
[23:10] <reisio> except for /usr/bin/blade
[23:10] <reisio> blade has all the strengths, and none of the weaknesses
[23:11] <tomreyn> rpifan: try umask=000 mount option
[23:12] <riflex> hey german user here aswell?
[23:12] <rpifan> how do i get it remount iwth fstab without rebooting
[23:12] <reisio> mount -o remount
[23:12] <reisio> riflex: part german count?
[23:13] <reisio> btw, you germans should eat less meat & dairy, it's bad for you
[23:13] <reisio> and isn't great for everyone else, either :)
[23:13] <riflex> well it count but i'm looking for a german mentor :)
[23:14] <riflex> s
[23:14] <tomreyn> riflex: read the message ubottu addressed to you - scroll up.
[23:14] <reisio> riflex: your english seems fine, not that I would fault you for wanting to converse in your own language
[23:16] <riflex> well i'm able to communitcate in english aswell but my accent is horrible
[23:17] <Americanu> Hello
[23:17] <Americanu> Anybody around ?
[23:17] <riflex> yeah
[23:17] <Americanu> Right so i need a bit of help
[23:18] <rpifan> tomreyn: Please change the permissions to 0770 so that the directory cannot be listed by other users.
[23:18] <Americanu> Im having a usb stick 3.0 with ubuntu on it 16.04 and when i try to boot it it says : initramfs unable to find medium containing live file system
[23:18] <rpifan> with umask 000 i get permissions of 0777
[23:19] <Americanu> Anybody knows here how to get rid of this error?
[23:20] <tomreyn> rpifan: oh sorry i thought you had asked for 0777. so if you need 0770 then your umask should be the opposite of that, so umask=007
[23:20] <geirha> rpifan: umask 007
[23:21] <Americanu> Well...nobody?
[23:21] <tomreyn> Americanu: re-do the usb stick, it probably did not get written properly. before you do this, you may want to do the media check.
[23:21] <Americanu> I wrote it several times
[23:21] <Americanu> Twice with rufus and once with unetbootin
[23:21] <Americanu> :(
[23:22] <k1l> Americanu: did you check the md5sum of the .iso?
[23:22] <rpifan> no im going to guess this is going to cause problems when i need another user to have read write to that same directory right?
[23:22] <Americanu> Ill try to see if the iso downloaded corectly but i doubt it didnt
[23:23] <geirha> rpifan: create a group, set group as group owner. Any user you add to that group will get read and write access
[23:23] <Americanu> No i didnt check the md5sum
[23:23] <rpifan> the issue is that nextcloud want exclusive access to that whole fat drive
[23:23] <rpifan> Data directory (/media/hosteddrive/nextcloud/data) is readable by other users
[23:23] <rpifan> Please change the permissions to 0770 so that the directory cannot be listed by other users.
[23:24] <riflex> i'm a linux-rookie...any advice so i can increase my learning curve?
[23:25] <franzer> riflex: depends what you want to do
[23:26] <riflex> i'm focusing on kali linux
[23:26] <riflex> and all its potial
[23:26] <tomreyn> !verify check this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/CDIntegrityCheck and this | Americanu
[23:27] <rpifan> geirha: can i just add a user to the www-data group and that would allow the www-data and whatever user to work?
[23:27] <rypervenche> riflex: /query riflex
[23:27] <rypervenche> derp
[23:27] <tomreyn> Americanu check this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/CDIntegrityCheck and this:
[23:27] <tomreyn> !verify |  | Americanu
[23:27] <Americanu> Thx tomreyn
[23:27] <Americanu> I will
[23:27] <k1l> !kali | riflex
[23:27] <rypervenche> riflex: This is going outside of Ubuntu support, but learn the command line and how to use the OS in general.
[23:28] <riflex> well i'm a noob thats why i choose ubuntu
[23:28] <tomreyn> !terminal | riflex
[23:28] <skrp> video performance is atrocious for a reason i can't explain. Steam/Minecraft(java) what can i do to fix it? ive done 0 mod, ubuntu found the driver automatically http://pastebin.com/raw/zt2WMHYy
[23:29] <ubaba> hi, ls -la /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/char/tpm gives 8 .ko files but when I modprobe any of them it gives eg. modprobe: FATAL: Module tpm_atmel.ko not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-59-generic
[23:29] <reisio> skrp: 'java', you just said, that's the reason
[23:29] <reisio> other reasons: steam
[23:29] <reisio> yet more reasons: games written by 10-year-olds
[23:29] <k1l> ubaba: what is inside "/lib/modules/4.4.0-59-generic"?
[23:29] <sylar> tgm4883: what if the length is unknown to me and is determined by the user who runs it? what then?
[23:29] <ubaba> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root  4096 jan   12 22:57 . drwxr-xr-x 9 root root  4096 jan   12 22:57 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 jan   12 22:57 st33zp24 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11814 jan    7 01:45 tpm_atmel.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13414 jan    7 01:45 tpm_crb.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11942 jan    7 01:45 tpm_i2c_atmel.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16270 jan    7 01:45 tpm_i2c_infineon.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 21798 jan    7 01:45 tpm_i2c_nuvo
[23:30] <tomreyn> !paste | ubaba
[23:30] <k1l> ubaba: please use a pastebin service
[23:30] <skrp> reisio, i can't tell if you are a troll
[23:30] <ubaba> sorry
[23:30] <k1l> skrp: you are using noveau. go to system settings, software & updates , then last tab. then install the nvidia driver there
[23:31] <ubaba> http://pastebin.com/FppaPfrk
[23:31] <Speiros> :D
[23:31] <k1l> ubaba: no. not there
[23:31] <k1l> ubaba: the folder i asked for
[23:32] <skrp> k1l, alright, i thought noveau was the preferred method
[23:32] <mib> hi , remove unused modules ? is that okay ?
[23:32] <ubaba> http://pastebin.com/krhX59Tu
[23:32] <sylar> how to alter awk '{ if (length($1)==4) print } /usr/share/dict/words to the length being variable ,depending on what the user enters?
[23:33] <theseb> how change an alternative?
[23:33] <theseb> i'm thinking of the /etc/alternatives stuff
[23:34] <tomreyn> sylar: if the lenght is variable, then why would you test for the length?
[23:34] <reisio> skrp: it'd help if you knew what a troll was
[23:35] <Chucara> How do I free up space on /boot when I can't seem to run apt-get remove? (Trying advice from here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/345588/what-is-the-safest-way-to-clean-up-boot-partition)
[23:35] <skrp> someone that isn't constructive? calling mojang 10 year olds...
[23:36] <skrp> i came here for help not opinions reisio same reason i ignored you in #linux
[23:36] <sylar> tomreyn: okay so what do i do then? like i want to output those words whose no. of characters is given by the user .
[23:36] <tomreyn> reisio, skirp: this discussion does not belong here, please move it elsewhere.
[23:37] <reisio> mojang?
[23:37] <skrp> mojang the coders of minecraft
[23:37] <Chucara> When I run 'sudo apt-get remove linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic', I get: You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[23:38] <tomreyn> sylar: please post an example to a pastebin, i'm not following.
[23:38] <rypervenche> skrp: Well, you want the proprietary drivers if you want MC to work well.
[23:39] <reisio> well it's in Java™, kinda goes without saying
[23:39] <rypervenche> skrp: And java 8, openjdk works fine with it.
[23:40] <Loshki> Chucara: What about the section entitled "NOTE: this is only if you can't use apt to clean up due to a 100% full /boot"
[23:41] <sylar> okay alright see , i am making a basic script so that if a number is supplied as a first arguement then it will select only those words with that many characters .
[23:41] <tomreyn> Chucara: in a temrinal, run 'dpkg -l linux-image\* | grep ^i', this will provide a list of packaged kernel image which are currently installed. you can then run: "dpkg --purge NAMEOFPACKAGEDKERNEL" to remove a given package (replace NAMEOFPACKAGEDKERNEL by one of the kernel image packages listed on the 'dpkg -l ...' output).
[23:41] <k1l> ubaba: did you try with fullpath?
[23:42] <sylar> so whats the command using egrep or awk for doing that?
[23:42] <skrp> rypervenche, thanks i appreciate that advice
[23:42] <Chucara> Loshki: Just outside of scroll view. Usually the accepted answer is the way to go, my mistake.
[23:42] <Americanu> Lol hashes are not similar
[23:42] <sylar> and the word comes from /usr/share/dict/words
[23:43] <Americanu> Thats the first time it happened to me
[23:43] <ubaba> k1l net yet (I am not aware that option yet) but just a sec and I am trying
[23:43] <Loshki> Chucara: :-) Let's hope it works as described
[23:44] <tomreyn> sylar: so you pass the amount of characters to a script as first command line argument. how do you pass the text to be filtered?
[23:44] <Chucara> tomreyn: Ok, can I safely remove any images older than what I currently have? (4.4.0-24)
[23:45] <tomreyn> Chucara: yes, if your currently running kernel (cat /proc/version) runs reliably, then you can remove all others.
[23:45] <sylar> tomreyn: the text comes from /usr/share/dict/words
[23:45] <tomreyn> Chucara: common practice is to remove all but the current and the two most recent.
[23:47] <kk4ewt> 1 plus 2 backups in case the kernel maintainers screwup you are not totally hosed
[23:47] <Chucara> Ahh. Is this something I should be doing regularly?
[23:48] <ubaba> k1l thank you so insmod is the way (but why does not modprobe work?)
[23:49] <tomreyn> sylar: CHARACTERS=$1; grep -Eo '[:alnum:]{'"${CHARACTERS}"'}' /usr/share/dict/words
[23:50] <sylar> tomreyn: what does that Eo do?
[23:50] <tomreyn> sylar: write this to a new file MYFILE, make this file executable (chmod +x /path/to/MYFILE) and run it as "./MYFILE 7"
[23:51] <tomreyn> sylar: E = extended regular expression syntax, o = only return what is matching the given regular expression, not the entire line where a match is found.
[23:52] <CoderEurope> Anyone want a quick chat about Ubuntu ? Note this is jitsi-meet which is completely open source: https://meet.schrodingersscat.com/LoyalOctopodesDiscussFinely
[23:52] <tomreyn> sylar: check the grep man page, too, run: man grep
[23:52] <sylar> tomreyn: i did and i was trying to understand how to do it after reading but i couldnt get it.. :/ new to this as u can see
[23:53] <ubaba> k1l 1 more question: if modprobe unable to load the kernel mod of the tpm just the insmod is capable of it, WILL the /etc/modules work at boot?
[23:53] <tomreyn> sylar: regular expressions come with a steep learning curve initally, it's entirely normal. you would probably run into more educated shell scripters in #bash
[23:54] <Chucara> apt-get is working again, thanks. Bit puzzled about this though.
[23:54] <sylar> tomreyn: okay i am seeing the man page but i am not able to get the command on my own for this..
[23:54] <tomreyn> Chucara: you should not need to do this regularly, no. normally it should happen automatically
[23:55] <CoderEurope> dunno - whos trying to log on - but your messing up the hangout.
[23:55] <tomreyn> Chucara: but if your /boot partiton / file system is too small (say less than 500 MB) then you may run into problems repeatedly.
[23:56] <tomreyn> Chucara: also this automatism which cleans stuff up did not work so well on older ubuntu releases (it works fine for me on 16.04)
[23:56] <Chucara> tomreyn: Ah ok. I wondered how 'normal people' would be able to use Ubuntu if that weren't the case. /boot is 500MB
[23:56] <Chucara> tomreyn: Ok well, thanks again. I have a bit of cleanup to do
[23:57] <tomreyn> enjoy ;)
[23:58] <zamanf> Is there a way to block dns leaks while using a vpn connection?


[11:40] <noob7> Hi, I reported a bug to launchpad can someone change it to a wishlist bug please Bug #1028392
[11:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1028392 in ubuntu "shutdown shortcut " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028392
[14:33] <LordOfTime> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1028462 is really a bug against Launchpad right?
[14:33] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1028462 in ubuntu "Launchpad reports incorrect package" [Undecided,New]
[14:41] <LordOfTime> yep, confirmed as a Launchpad issue :p
[14:41]  * LordOfTime changed where the bug points, and marked the ubuntu bug as Invalid
[15:17] <om26er> can anyone on 12.10 test bug 1027955 please?
[15:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1027955 in unity "Clicking on a quicklist item highlights the last item in the list" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1027955
[15:43] <hggdh> om26er: cannot reproduce
[15:46] <brendand> om26er, i don't see it in the quantal daily
[15:46] <om26er> bregma, what if you hold left-click on a quicklist item ?
[15:47] <om26er> right click on nautilus icon and hold left click on 'pictures'
[15:48] <hggdh> om26er: not even then here. Holding the click does nothing until it is released
[15:49] <brendand> oh wait
[15:49] <brendand> got repro steps
[15:50] <brendand> 1.) hold down left-click on the item
[15:50] <brendand> 2.) move the mouse
[15:54] <om26er> ah that might have something to do with the touchpad on my laptop, when I click it might be moving a bit for me ;-)
[16:01] <hggdh> yep, confirmed, now
[16:01] <hggdh> (although my touchpad is inverted, being left-handed
[22:57] <alex_mayorga> Does anyone know workarounds fro bug 1015567?
[22:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1015567 in dpkg "upgrade failed: mixed non-coinstallable and coinstallable package instances present" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1015567
[22:57] <alex_mayorga> I don't have perl =(
[23:16] <hggdh> alex_mayorga: not really, except the probable bypass in comment #6
[23:17] <alex_mayorga> hggdh: Thanks! Could you dumb it down a bit for me, please?
[23:20] <hggdh> alex_mayorga: you would have to edit /var/lib/dpkg/status and add a line "Multi-Arch: same" in the stanza for the offending package
[23:20] <hggdh> alex_mayorga: if you are NOT confortable with potentially messing up your system, I strongly suggest to wait for an official resolution
[23:22] <alex_mayorga> hggdh: Is there a specific place for this "Multi-Arch: same" or could it go anywhere?
[23:24] <hggdh> alex_mayorga: anywhere; usually it is found after the "Architecture: ..." line
[23:24] <hggdh> alex_mayorga: MUST be in the offending package stanza
[23:26] <alex_mayorga> hggdh: Trying, thanks!
[23:26] <hggdh> good luck. I do hope you saved the file before changing
[23:27] <alex_mayorga> hggdh: Do I keep doing the same for other packages that pop
[23:28] <hggdh> alex_mayorga: yes
[23:28] <hggdh> (as long as it is the same error)
[23:29]  * hggdh calls it a day
[23:30] <alex_mayorga> hggdh: Thanks!
[23:44] <alex_mayorga> Could someone take a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/1109228/ and suggest a fix?
[23:49] <hggdh> alex_mayorga: what exactly are you trying to do?
[23:51] <hggdh> alex_mayorga: first of all, apt-get upgrade? Why not dist-upgrade? There is a difference... quite important (hint: man apt-get)
[23:52] <alex_mayorga> hggdh: just trying apt back to a working state I'd say
[23:53] <alex_mayorga> apt/get dist-upgrade outputs pretty much the same thing
[23:54] <hggdh> alex_mayorga: there are ~ 1500 packages not upgraded. What are you trying to do? Upgrade a Ubuntu version?
[23:54] <alex_mayorga> guess yesterday was not a good day to upgrade to Quantal
[23:54] <hggdh> IDK, I have been running Q for a while now
[23:54] <alex_mayorga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/1015567/comments/9
[23:54] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1015567 in dpkg "upgrade failed: mixed non-coinstallable and coinstallable package instances present" [High,Triaged]
[23:55] <hggdh> yes, and there is a probable bypass
[23:55] <alex_mayorga> hggdh: ^^^ that was the beginning of my saga
[23:55] <alex_mayorga> Then I tried as you suggested, I added 3 multi arch: same
[23:56] <alex_mayorga> and here I am =)
[23:56] <hggdh> and what is the output of a dist-upgrade?
[23:57]  * hggdh also wonders why is there such a mix of i386 and amd64
[23:57] <alex_mayorga> hggdh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1109244/
[23:58] <alex_mayorga> hggdh: Dunno, as far as I know this system is amd64 (Linux VPCCW1FFXL 3.2.0-27-generic #43-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 6 14:25:57 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux)
[23:59] <hggdh> alex_mayorga: the arch packages have incompatible versions (meaning the i386 are more up-to-date)


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[14:32] <shakes808> morning
[14:33] <brousch__> yes
[14:33] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:34] <_stink_> maybe?
[14:39] <rick_h> probably
[14:40] <rick_h> let's think positive
[14:56] <_stink_> wow rick_h
[14:56] <rick_h> lol
[14:56] <rick_h> wow?
[14:58] <_stink_> this positivity
[14:59] <_stink_> i'm not used to it
[15:02] <rick_h> oic, well what can I say
[15:03] <_stink_> it's the sunshine
[15:03] <_stink_> it makes people feel great
[15:05] <rick_h> have to say I'm working in the living room by the giant doorwall so I can get some natural light going
[15:05] <rick_h> updated the dry-erase calendar for the next month and loved seeing daylight-savings a month out
[15:06] <_stink_> evening sun!
[15:07] <rick_h> yea, will be nice
[15:07]  * rick_h is getting excited
[15:07] <jrwren> i'm already very happy that there is post 5:30pm sun.
[15:07] <rick_h> we're heading to VA with the camper first week of april so have ot start thinking of getting it out of storage and the like soon
[15:07] <rick_h> which means getting the mountain bike ready, wheeee
[15:07] <rick_h> happy times coming soon
[15:08] <jrwren> yesterday was almost warm enough and dry enough for me to try the bike, but I wussed out.
[15:11] <rick_h> it was cold yesterday here. 20s at one point
[15:11] <rick_h> I'm kind of a "needs to be > 40 for me to bike it" kind of wimp
[15:11] <jrwren> same.
[15:12] <jrwren> it got up to 40-42 here early and late afternoon.. but the rain was mixed. and the wind was crazy.
[15:14] <rick_h> oh yea, we had rain and then sideways snow and then
[15:20] <rick_h> 55 and sunny on sat?
[15:20] <_stink_> sunny all week i think
[15:38] <cmaloney> Still think DST should die in a fire
[15:38] <jrwren> +1
[15:38] <rick_h> cmaloney: I don't disagree, but I much prefer sunlight in the morning and after work EOD
[15:39] <cmaloney> You get that for free when the Earth hit's that part of its orbit. :)
[15:42] <cmaloney> although I think it's quint: when GWB reset DST to be earlier / end later than it did I thought to myself "what about all of those VCRs that auto-adjusted for DST"?
[15:42] <cmaloney> Now I'm thinking "if it isn't on the internet / atomic-clock-driven I'm loathe to even set the clock"
[15:43] <rick_h> only get devices that pull time from sattelites, radio signals, or your own two hands
[15:43] <cmaloney> Well, my computer doesn't get time from any of them
[15:43] <cmaloney> NTP
[15:44] <rick_h> that's satelites in my book
[15:44] <rick_h> and :P
[15:45] <cmaloney> Heh
[15:45] <jrwren> microwave & stovetop clocks... require setting... every... time...
[15:45] <cmaloney> Yes
[15:45] <rick_h> clocks on walls
[15:46] <cmaloney> and if I could get away with never setting them I would
[15:46] <cmaloney> Thermostat is on the internet, and the "wall clock" is radio-wave-driven
[15:46] <rick_h> ah, we've got 3 on the wall clocks that are just AA based hand configured things
[15:47] <rick_h> cmaloney: you go nest with your thermostat?
[15:47] <cmaloney> No, we replaced the AC unit and they put in some Janky Sensi thing
[15:47] <rick_h> oic
[15:47] <cmaloney> It works, you can get to it from your phone
[15:47] <rick_h> ah cool
[15:47] <cmaloney> and I'm pretty sure I should put it on its own subnet. ;)
[15:48] <rick_h> lol
[15:48] <rick_h> "just going to VLAN you off here...and best if you sit behind this firewall of doom"
[15:50] <jrwren> i got new furnace adn ac and said "no" to the fancy wifi shit.
[15:50] <jrwren> i'm anti connected devices.
[15:50] <jrwren> as far as I can see, it only complecates things and does not improve my life at all.
[15:51] <jrwren> don't forget to firewall its outbound as well as its inbound.
[17:09] <greg-g> +1000
[17:09] <greg-g> https://twitter.com/internetofshit
[17:25] <_stink_> haha
[17:31] <cmaloney> TIL: there's a place in Birmingham that sells synths and euroracks
[17:31] <cmaloney> as if I needed another expensive hobby
[17:35] <jrwren> what place?
[17:36] <rick_h> lol
[18:07] <cmaloney> https://www.detroitmodular.com/
[18:08] <cmaloney> The only saving grace is it appears they only do showings via appointment


[00:02] <nacc> smoser: i'm not sure i'll be able to solve your original request by the EOD :/
[00:02] <nacc> smoser: only because there is a trick to the algorithm right now that i need to think of how to efficiently solve
[00:02] <nacc> smoser: we could either a) disconnect hte applied and unapplied branches (very fast and very easy) going forward
[00:02] <nacc> this is what i think slangasek technically wants for his own sake -_^
[00:02] <nacc> err, --^, no emoticon intened
[00:03] <nacc> or b) we'd have to investigate adding an algorithm that can walk a branch backwards (git rev-list) until it found a treeish that matches the unapplied version of the patches-applied we are about to import, and then use that as the unapplied parent
[00:03] <nacc> that will be *very* slow to do every time, though
[00:04] <nacc> rbasak: --^ i'm not sure how else to do 'fixup's of repositories where --patches-applied may or may not be passed
[01:00] <smoser> nacc, here now. i'm guessing you're not.
[01:02] <sarnold> seven seconds, what timing :)
[11:54] <xnox> infinity, was libc kernel version requirement bumped in xenial-updates? i get a debconf notice that 3.2 kernel is now required
[11:54] <xnox> (note I'm on a container OpenVZ bs or some such)
[11:55] <xnox> i guess nothing was changed, it's just the first time i'm upgrading libc.
[15:14] <Mirv> anyone has ideas on the python scandir problem at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>? I can't see how it could be pyqt5 change related, but yet http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#pyqt5
[15:16] <Mirv> kind of guessing it would be related to some other python related recent upload, but zesty-changes doesn't enlighten me - nothing from stacktrace like ipython, pathlib there
[20:51] <ScottK> Mirv: What package provides scandir?
[20:52] <ScottK> Mirv: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=711388
[21:16] <ScottK> Mirv: python-pathlib2 needs it and python-ipython depends on python-pathlib2.
[21:17] <ScottK> Which is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851137
[21:32] <ScottK> Mirv: Syncing 2.2.0+really2.1.0-1 when it's available should solve that.


[22:29] <thafreak> The doctor just knocked on my door looking for candy...
[22:29] <Unit193> Wooohoooo! :D
[22:29] <Unit193> You give him some?
[22:32] <canthus13> thafreak: All that time travel gets him a bit turned around.. so what if he's a few days late?


[00:18] <Darkwing> Hey question for the Loco team here... would you guys be interested in demoing a ZaReason UltraBook?
[00:19] <Darkwing> At OLF on saturday?
[00:28] <Darkwing> Cheri703: ping
[00:28] <Darkwing> snap-l: ping
[00:28] <Cheri703> o/
[00:28] <Cheri703> I'm not the best person to ask about ZaReason >_> I had a bad experience
[00:28] <Darkwing> I'm a ZaReason contact.
[00:29] <Cheri703> I was actually considering reaching out to System76, as we've had contact with them in the past with OLF
[00:29] <Darkwing> They want to know if you would be willing to demo the ultrabook at OLF
[00:29] <Darkwing> Also, you guys have many Kubuntu users in the LoCo?
[00:30] <Cheri703> actually, we would want to check with OLF folks, as we were given an "org" table, so I don't know if product demos will be kosher with the whole free org table thing
[00:30] <Cheri703> I'll email the guy
[00:31] <Darkwing> ahhh, Okay.
[00:32] <Cheri703> if we'd paid for the table, it'd probably be totally fine, but I just sent an email. I don't want to run afoul of them since they were so awesome about it.
[00:33] <Darkwing> Of course.
[00:33] <Cheri703> I'll let you know when I get an answer
[00:34] <Darkwing> Sweet. :) I'm always on.
[00:34] <Cheri703> k
[00:34] <Darkwing> You know of any Kubuntu users in the loco?
[00:34] <Darkwing> I'm always looking for more KDE nuts
[00:34] <Darkwing> :)
[00:35] <Cheri703> hmm...I know Unit193 uses...something-other-than-vanilla-buntu, I believe L and X though
[00:35] <Unit193> Cheri703: Spot on.
[00:35] <Unit193> Darkwing: BiosElement.
[00:36] <Cheri703> I tried kubuntu a few times, but I kept having major issues with the package thing, kept erroring out and wouldn't let me install or update anything :s happened with multiple iso downloads and attempts, so I said screw it
[00:36] <Cheri703> Unit193: I was going to pm you, I haven't seen you around in a while! how are you?
[00:36] <Darkwing> Okay sweet.
[00:37] <Unit193> Cheri703: I be alive, just hiding in other channels/things.  You doing well I take it ?
[00:37] <Cheri703> yeah, I'm alright overall
[00:38] <snap-l> Darkwing: wong
[00:38] <snap-l> pong, even
[00:38] <Darkwing> hehehe. Cheri703 answered my Q
[00:39] <snap-l> Ah, no worries
[00:39] <Darkwing> ZaReason was just looking to see if you guys wanted to Demo an Ultrabook with Ubuntu
[01:04] <canthus13> DavidLevin: You work with/for ZaReason?
[01:05] <DavidLevin> canthus13, Canoncial
[01:05] <canthus13> Ah.
[01:06] <canthus13> Sorry. There have been... issues with ZaReason's CEO lady. :/
[01:41] <canthus13> DavidLevin: That was actually meant for Darkwing.
[03:02] <thafreak> Darkwing: I was a big kde fan...but they lost me after the big transition
[03:02] <thafreak> When they went from 1.0 to 2.0, it just didn't run the same...
[14:40] <dzho> DavidLevin: you going to be at OLF?
[15:13] <DavidLevin> dzho, not planing on it
[15:25] <dzho> DavidLevin: ah, ok.  Do you go to any FOSS/Linux events.
[15:25] <dzho> ?
[15:28] <DavidLevin> dzho, many people from Canonical attend these events. I go so some of them, mostly meetups and lugs.
[15:32]  * dzho nods
[15:32] <dzho> ok, thanks.
[15:34] <Cheri703> Darkwing: ping
[15:38] <dzho> paultag: when you getting into town for the mtg?
[16:18] <paultag> dzho: mtg?
[17:22] <dzho> OLF
[17:22] <dzho> paultag: ^^
[17:22]  * dzho just registered
[17:22] <paultag> ah
[17:22] <paultag> Friday, methinks
[17:30] <Darkwing> Cheri703: ping
[17:30] <Darkwing> pong rather
[17:30] <Cheri703> hey, so I heard back from OLF guy
[17:30] <Cheri703> " it should be fine if you use the Ultrabook to demo Ubuntu software and don't have commercial materials from ZaReason (things like sales materials)  You should be able to mention that the laptop was provided by Zareason"
[17:31] <Cheri703> so...ZERO sales info, just "here's ubuntu! oh and it's a zareason laptop"
[17:31] <Darkwing> Cheri703: Epic.
[17:31] <Darkwing> I'll bring the Ultrabook on Saturday.
[17:32] <Cheri703> I will be completely honest with you, I had a HORRIBLE experience with that company, including the CEO badmouthing me to other customers behind my back and lying about me, so...I'm REALLY wary of anything to do with them as a company at all
[17:32] <Cheri703> *also badmouthing me to my face
[17:32] <Cheri703> also the netbook I got was a POS, so...yep
[17:37] <Darkwing> Yeah, I understand. I've been working with them in developing KDE plasma (Tablet) and Kubuntu Plasma to release on the new ZaTab.
[17:37] <Cheri703> that's awesome, I just have no respect for them as people :)
[17:37] <Cheri703> some of their newer products might be good
[17:37] <Cheri703> the one I had was crap
[17:37] <Darkwing> :D I have not worked with them long enough to establish an opinion. I swear by Dell and Lenovo for laptops.
[17:38] <Darkwing> they gave me a tablet to develop on so, I'm happy so far :P
[17:38] <Darkwing> Actually, they did that last UDS.
[17:43] <Darkwing> Anyway...
[17:47] <Cheri703> nice, ok, well, go ahead and bring it, and we'll go from there :)
[21:09] <paultag> wait
[21:09] <paultag> KDE on a tablet
[21:09] <paultag> I want to see this. Always thought it'd be better as a tabletish shell
[21:09] <paultag> Qt is just so much uglier then GTK+ by default, though
[21:12] <paultag> plus, Qt is really stiffing me right now
[21:22] <dzho> paultag: a guy I know at #interlock has been yammering about the KDE tablet thingie since approximately forever
[21:22] <dzho> he's a big KDE user
[21:22] <dzho> and his n900 died the true death
[21:22] <paultag> hahaha
[21:22] <paultag> oh god
[21:22] <dzho> so, he's been jonesing for something else mobile and freeish
[21:23] <dzho> "plasma active" is the flavor, apparently
[21:23] <dzho> and it now is called Vivaldi, had been called Spark, but I guess there was some trademark conflict over that or something.
[21:25] <paultag> innnnteresting.
[21:25] <dzho> ah, looks like the hardware vendor stabbed them in the back
[21:25] <dzho> http://liliputing.com/2012/09/vivaldi-kde-plasma-linux-tablet-delayed-devs-looking-at-new-hardware.html
[21:25] <dzho> freakin' ARM
[21:25] <dzho> what a mess


[13:49] <mterry> tsdgeos: if you're still chewing through my MPs, can you prioritize default-wallpaper please?  It's part of an MP trifecta, one of which happens to fix a recent crasher in USS.  One possible strategy for fixing that crash is just to hurry up and land all the default-wallpaper branches
[13:50] <tsdgeos> ok
[13:50] <mterry> tsdgeos: we don't know why it fixes the recent crash  :P  investigation continues, but landing it may be a fix
[14:01] <tsdgeos> mterry: hehe
[14:18] <tsdgeos> mterry: the wallpapers branch looks relatively ok from a code pov
[14:18] <tsdgeos> i'll awit for CI to give me a .deb to try though
[14:18] <mterry> tsdgeos: silo 23 has the trifecta for you
[14:18] <tsdgeos> ah ok
[14:20] <josharenson> tsdgeos: just fyi, I'm making the extraPanel a popover. Should solve the issue with the test (I hope) and should make it look visually the same as before (it was slightly off previously)
[14:21] <josharenson> tsdgeos: so if thats a terrible idea, let me know
[14:21] <tsdgeos> josharenson: is that how design wants it? popover also has a stupid max height limit
[14:22] <josharenson> tsdgeos: ugh, why?
[14:22] <josharenson> tsdgeos: I can ask design, but other than the height limitation, it literally looks and behaves the same (so far)
[14:22] <tsdgeos> josharenson: why what?
[14:23] <josharenson> tsdgeos: why does it have a max height :-p ?
[14:23] <tsdgeos> i don't know
[14:23] <tsdgeos> see the filters code
[14:24] <josharenson> tsdgeos: ok. I mean, I can also put it back like before, but that destroys the pretty encapsulation and essentially defeats the purpose of this all
[14:25] <josharenson> tsdgeos: ah the filters popover seems to have a work around then?
[14:25] <tsdgeos> josharenson: yes
[14:25] <josharenson> ok
[14:25] <tsdgeos> josharenson: maybe it's not needed anymore, you could double check
[14:25] <josharenson> ok
[19:30] <mterry> Saviq: ugh.  You asked me about not unloading the greeter in the emergency dialer ...  I looked into it and I came up against some Loader qml behavior I don't understand   :(  So not so easy for me so far
[19:30] <mterry> I'll poke some qml wizards tomorrow
[19:30] <Saviq> mterry, try me (no promises!) ;)
[19:32] <mterry> Saviq: it *seems* that having anything loaded in the Loader (even just a bare Item) makes the whole Greeter black (and covering the dialer).  Even if visibility and opacity is false/0.  Even if the Loader is only supposed to take up half the screen.
[19:33] <Saviq> mterry, maybe one of our darkening layers comes in?
[19:34] <mterry> Saviq: I took out all the contents of the Greeter view so it's just a bare Item (with required property stubs and methods)
[19:35] <mterry> Saviq: does a Loader have any black magic in it?  I even made it only take up half the screen, but the bottom half of the screen continued to be black when the top had contnet
[19:35] <Saviq> mterry, no, it doesn't have any black magic in it, it's just blank (transparent) if there's nothing in it
[19:35] <Saviq> which is why I'm thinking there's something else on top of it
[19:36] <Saviq> that we use(d?) for when launcher or indicators are on screen
[19:36] <mterry> Saviq: try it yourself -- make it active: no vs active: yes but visible: false
[19:36] <mterry> I would *think* those would be visibly identical
[19:36] <mterry> But I get a black box in the second case
[19:42] <Saviq> mterry, they should be, with the exception that something might be looking at either of those props
[19:43] <mterry> Saviq: a couple Greeter properties do pull from the loaded item (fullyShown and animating), but have graceful fallbacks and don't seem to be used for anything useful
[22:40] <Saviq> mterry, FWIW the greeter, after being destroyed, looks very much black when reloading, so it must be the black from behind it (didn't we add a "security" black layer that's always there, otherwise the session was visible through?)
[22:42] <Saviq> right, but that's inside {Wide,Narrow}View