[00:00] <popey> \o/ http://hogsmeade.lieberbiber.de/appstorediff.xml
[00:01] <Elleo> :)
[00:02] <popey> Elleo: http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-22-000149.png hmmm
[00:02] <popey> seems to have taken a cropped photo I gave it
[00:02] <popey> I mean, the photo is full size
[00:02] <popey> but it's showing the central 1/3rd
[00:02] <popey> haha, oh this gets better
[00:02] <Elleo> popey: it uses the full photo, it's just I display it filling the screen
[00:02] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-22-000231.png
[00:02] <popey> my cat is _not_ a weasel
[00:02] <Elleo> heh
[00:02] <Elleo> close enough
[00:02] <popey> for government work..
[00:03] <cwayne1> popey: well, if i wanted to make you feel old, i'd point out your first computer is 7 years older than I am
[00:03] <SturmFlut> popey: I didn't expect that my server would become an integral part of the Ubuntu Touch infrastructure when I wrote that feed
[00:03] <Elleo> in the next version I might show a few more of its candidate suggestions, that can be extra fun
[00:03] <popey> SturmFlut: \o/
[00:03] <Elleo> popey: e.g. it thinks my boat is a "limousine / canoe"
[00:03] <Elleo> which seems pretty accurate to me
[00:03] <popey> hahah, brilliant
[00:03] <popey> i think this could become quite the amusing meme app
[00:04] <Elleo> yeah, it's fun to play with
[00:04] <cwayne1> SturmFlut: if you need a mirror or anything, let me know, I'd be happy to help
[00:04] <popey> "Avacado / BMW"
[00:04] <Elleo> I wouldn't rely on it to identify which mushrooms are edible though...
[00:04] <popey> SturmFlut: same here
[00:05] <SturmFlut> popey, cwayne1: Luckily i've already got the replacement hardware here. I hope 32 cores and 512 GB of RAM can handle the load. If not, I can always cluster a thousand Raspberry Pis.
[00:05] <popey> two would probably do ☻
[00:06] <cwayne1> SturmFlut: that escalated quickly :)
[00:06] <Elleo> heh
[00:06] <SturmFlut> popey: Mark predicted 200 million Ubuntu users in 2015, i am only realistic
[00:08] <popey> heh
[00:08] <popey> phone the electricity board, get them to spin up some hydro
[00:08] <popey> incoming!
[00:09] <popey> Elleo: did you ever figure out the issues you had back in malta with the stargazing app?
[00:10] <SturmFlut> popey: Nucular. It's pronounced, 'nucular'.
[00:10] <Elleo> popey: nope never got back to it, but I handed all the source to Mirco to play with in Washington, so he might do something more with it ;)
[00:11] <popey> I'll nag him :)_
[00:11] <Elleo> heh
[00:11] <popey> He was one of the first people I spoke to at my very first UDS in Sevilla
[00:11] <Elleo> you need to find someone low level to nag about getting compass support in qtsensors working too for that ;)
[00:12] <popey> He showed me his Lowfat UI concepts on my touch screen laptop.
[00:12] <popey> noted
[00:13] <mzanetti> SturmFlut: https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntustorediff/pull/1
[00:13] <mzanetti> popey: soon with pics ^ (given SturmFlut approves)
[00:14] <popey> oooh!
[00:14] <popey> served up from our infra, not his?
[00:14] <Elleo> mzanetti: neat
[00:15] <mzanetti> popey: well, so far I don't host anything. and my server isn't that powerful
[00:15] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: merged
[00:15] <mzanetti> awesomes
[00:15] <popey> sweet!
[00:16] <mzanetti> popey: I failed to add it in shorts though
[00:16] <popey> i used a tinurl ☻
[00:16] <cwayne1> should be a scope!
[00:16] <mzanetti> actually... can we have links to scopes in there?
[00:16]  * cwayne1 balmers SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES
[00:16] <mzanetti> like scope://appstore/appid or something?
[00:17] <mzanetti> so tapping one would bring you to the store and install it
[00:17] <popey> that would be logical
[00:18] <mzanetti> cwayne1: do you know?
[00:20] <cwayne1> mzanetti: there's not a scope:// url for it, there could be a ubuntu store uri for it perhaps (i dont know)
[00:26] <mzanetti> popey: so your cat is a weasel?
[00:26] <mzanetti> popey: you were lucky: http://i.imgur.com/HW9jtQ5.jpg
[00:26] <Elleo> heh
[00:26] <cwayne1> man, i want a pet now
[00:26] <Elleo> I knew it was a bad idea to add smell sensors to the phone
[00:26] <mzanetti> :D
[00:27]  * SturmFlut goes to sleep
[00:27] <mzanetti> o/
[00:28] <popey> haha
[00:37] <mzanetti> totally off for the thing, but I guess the word is close enough :D http://i.imgur.com/EtP556n.jpg
[00:37] <mzanetti> funny app Elleo
[00:37] <Elleo> mzanetti: heh, somehow I suspect that drones weren't in the training set ;)
[00:38] <popey> what was?
[00:38] <popey> skunks and weasles, clearly
[00:38] <Elleo> popey: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/173317971/ImageNet.words <-- these things
[00:45] <mzanetti> Elleo: is the training material plain images or does it require some additional info?
[00:48] <Elleo> mzanetti: basically plain images plus a bit of metadata (like what they're images of)
[00:48] <mzanetti> Elleo: would be cool if users could enter the name and upload it
[00:48] <Elleo> mzanetti: there's details on the training process here: http://libccv.org/doc/doc-convnet/ (scroll down to "How to train my own classifier")
[00:49] <Elleo> mzanetti: yeah, that'd require me setting up a super beefy server for the training
[00:50] <mzanetti> yeah. I guess SturmFlut can help with his cluster of a million rpis :D
[00:50] <Elleo> mzanetti: and it'd have to be done in batches, since it's not really a continuous learning algorithm, you have to retrain the whole thing to add new data to it
[00:50] <Elleo> heh
[00:50] <mzanetti> I see
[00:51] <Elleo> mzanetti: next thing I might do is make an OpenTLD app, that's a continuous learning algorithm for tracking stuff
[00:51] <mzanetti> ever since I played Akinator once I can't stop thinking about how to build up such a database
[00:52] <Elleo> oh, looks like OpenTLD has been superceded by this now: http://www.gnebehay.com/cmt/
[00:53] <Elleo> that should be fun to play with
[00:53] <mzanetti> Elleo: that OpenTLD thing might be useful for the camera app
[00:53] <Elleo> mzanetti: yeah
[00:53] <Elleo> there's lots of nifty computer vision and image processing libs we could be making use of for fancy things
[00:54] <Elleo> I want to try putting together an Ubuntu Touch robotics kit at some point
[00:54] <Elleo> that'd be fun
[00:54] <mzanetti> oh yeah
[00:54]  * popey ensleepens
[00:54] <Elleo> plus I could include my AI learning library, and force people to use it :P
[00:54] <popey> nn chaps
[00:54] <Elleo> night popey :)
[00:57] <mzanetti> good night
[05:11] <ahoneybun> hello all
[05:11] <ahoneybun> wait
[05:24] <ahoneybun> hello all
[06:19] <ahoneybun> popey: imgur.com/KUWSD7D
[07:28] <^Manu> wow, lots of people/
[07:29] <^Manu> i'm wondering... need to buy a new phone. does anyone have any realistic estimates of ubuntu-touch release dates? it seems to have slipped past the dates written all over the net.
[07:30] <^Manu> also, is it known whether both mx4 versions will be supported? or just the pro/'amateur'?
[07:31] <^Manu> i'm considering to get an mx4, or just get a nexus if it's all still some time away...
[07:46] <^Manu> hmm, lively place :)
[07:46] <^Manu> i wonder if this is any reflection on the late launch date ;)
[07:47] <ahoneybun> hey ^Manu
[07:50] <anpok_> ^Manu: what dates have been written?
[11:12] <willcooke> Plugging my phone in to my laptop via USB should "just work" right?  In so much as I should see some kind of mass storage device on to which I can copy music or whatever?
[11:16] <ogra_> willcooke, it should pop uo a nautilus window (unless you disabled that)
[11:34] <willcooke> ogra_, Then I've broken something, cos it's not doing that.
[11:34] <willcooke> oh
[11:34] <willcooke> I wonder
[11:34] <willcooke> nope
[11:35] <willcooke> I thought I might have dev. mode on, but I dont
[11:36] <ogra_> dev mode shouldnt influence MTP behavior
[11:36]  * willcooke tries a different USB cable
[11:36] <ogra_> your PC should definitely show a device in the unity launcher
[11:37] <ogra_> what device/channel ?
[11:43] <willcooke> ogra_, reboot laptop - no change
[11:43] <willcooke> rebooting phone now
[11:43] <ogra_> what are you running on the laptop
[11:44] <ogra_> works fine here on utopic
[11:44] <willcooke> 14.04
[11:44] <willcooke> trusty
[11:44] <ogra_> thats what i run on my desktop ... works fine there too
[11:44] <ogra_> very weird
[11:44] <willcooke> ah
[11:44] <willcooke> do I have to have an sd card in the phone?
[11:45] <ogra_> no
[11:45] <willcooke> ok, laptop  *is* seeing device
[11:45] <willcooke> but
[11:45] <willcooke> Nov 22 11:45:35 malfunctioning-eddie mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 14 was not an MTP device
[11:46] <ogra_> wow, file a bug please ... looks like the mtp server didnt start
[11:46] <willcooke> will do, thanks a lot ogra_
[11:46] <ogra_> not sure how that could happen since it works here (and did for QA when testing yesterday)
[11:47] <willcooke> I'm special ;)
[11:50] <willcooke> ogra_, what should I file the bug against in LP?  wiki says not against ubuntu-touch
[11:50] <ogra_> mtp
[11:50] <willcooke> ogra_, got it - thanks
[11:51] <willcooke> mtp doesnt have bugs in LP
[11:51] <willcooke> wait
[11:51] <willcooke> yes it does
[11:51] <willcooke> ignore
[11:51] <ogra_> :)
[12:06] <popey> willcooke: i put all my music on an sd card, that way i can reflash the phone clean and know it's all still there
[12:06] <popey> also more space
[12:06]  * popey adds 32GB SD Cards to amazon wishlist
[12:07] <willcooke> popey, well - that's quite interesting, because that's exactly what I wanted to do
[12:07] <popey> heh
[12:07] <willcooke> True story:
[12:07] <popey> does it show up after a phone reboot?
[12:07] <willcooke> I set up a VM with windows on so I could installed iTunes, so that I could sync wirelessly to my phone
[12:07] <popey> you know you have to pin unlock the phone to show up the mtp stuff?
[12:08] <willcooke> popey, I didn't, but that doesn't make any difference.  Also we should make that clear, it's non-obvious (to me at least)
[12:08] <willcooke> so anyway
[12:09] <willcooke> Installed iTunes.  synced my phone with a cable, everything working
[12:09] <willcooke> go wireless
[12:09] <willcooke> doesnt work
[12:09] <willcooke> just craps out all the time,
[12:09] <popey> itunes....
[12:09] <willcooke> and playing music from the shared itunes library also doesnt work
[12:09] <popey> you're talking iphones?
[12:09] <willcooke> yeah
[12:09] <popey> ahhh
[12:09] <willcooke> So that's it
[12:09] <willcooke> I'm done with Apple now
[12:09] <popey> hah
[12:10] <willcooke> I thought it might be nice, but it's crappy unless you have Apple everything
[12:10] <popey> ya
[12:10] <willcooke> I'm going to look at building a plug in for Rhythmbox to sync with Ubuntu phone over wifi.
[12:10] <willcooke> because I can
[12:10] <willcooke> Go freedom
[12:12] <popey> I hear from the youth that they don't generally put music on their devices but stream from online sources
[12:12] <willcooke> yeah, but that costs money.  I could make it at home for nothing
[12:12] <willcooke> Principals,
[12:13] <willcooke> very very narrow principals
[12:13]  * popey sees ogra spam in his inbox
[12:13] <willcooke> here's a good one for you... how do I test the battery in my multimeter?
[12:13] <ogra_> haha
[12:13] <ogra_> updating all my apps to proper frameworks :)
[12:14] <ogra_> ... and the right categories
[12:35] <ogra_> ogra_k, foo
[12:35] <ogra_> hah, notifications work in kiwirc ... nice
[12:37] <popey> popeyk: yo
[12:37] <popey> popeyk: yo
[12:38] <popey> nice!
[12:38]  * ogra_ updates the app to drop the hearder and default to #ubuntu-touch
[12:38] <popey> make a webapp in the store that comes directly here ☻
[12:38] <ogra_> *header
[12:38] <ogra_> popey, there is one ... since ages ;)
[12:38] <popey> hah
[12:38] <ogra_> i'm just updatin it
[12:38] <popey> only available in germany? ☻
[12:39] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph.png
[12:39] <popey> downward yesterday as we lost some fake paid apps i think
[12:39] <ogra_> and updated ...
[12:40] <popey> then back up again as everyone uploaded new scopes and stuff
[12:42] <ogra_> "only available" isnt set
[12:42] <ogra_> you should see it in the store
[12:43] <ogra_> hmm
[12:43] <ogra_> doesnt show in communications ... where it should be
[12:43] <ogra_> but a search finds it
[12:43] <popey> what's it called?
[12:45] <ogra_> kiwi
[12:45] <ogra_> well, kiwi irc
[12:45] <ogra_> but kiwi should find it
[12:45] <ogra_> i dont get why it doesnt show in the category
[13:01] <ogra_> hmm, the freenode app doesnt show in the category either
[13:08] <ogra-f> freenode app works too :)
[13:10]  * ogra_ uploads update
[14:21]  * ogra_ sighs ... 3rd session crash today
[14:31] <popey> ogra_: ever in a state where apps won't start?
[14:31] <popey> shorts and music (and others) just sit at the spinner
[14:31] <ogra_> popey, yeah
[14:31] <popey> hmm
[14:31] <popey> reckon we have a bug for it?
[14:31] <ogra_> i had that one twice and just now the whole session restarted under my finge
[14:31] <ogra_> r
[14:32] <ogra_> well, kind of
[14:32] <ogra_> bug 1394919
[14:32] <popey> on my phone right now it freezes up for .5s every so often
[14:32] <popey> like when unlocking
[14:33] <ogra_> most likely apport is running
[14:33] <ogra_> but thats only fallout ... cgmanager has issues ... but apport cant collect info about it
[14:36] <popey> no, nothing is running
[14:36] <popey> haha, where'd that popeyk come from!
[14:36] <popey> oxide is allowed to run in the background?
[14:36] <popey> my phone has been locked for ages, and that guy was still connected?
[14:37] <popeyk> Odd
[14:37] <popeyk> still running
[14:55] <ogra_> well, it somehow got foregrounded
[14:55] <ogra_> kiwi reconnects automatically
[15:12] <pindonga> hi .. I'm trying to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 7.. I'm following the instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation
[15:13] <pindonga> I've managed to install the dual boot app, but I can't find a utopic channel
[15:13] <pindonga> it only lists trusty and some variants of it
[15:13] <pindonga> is that bc my laptop (from where I run the dualboot.sh script) is running trusty?
[15:14] <Tassadar> pindonga: Nexzs 7 (2012) is no longer supported, so newer utopic builds are not available for it
[15:14] <pindonga> what's the best channel to use, and how can I select it if it's not in the list?
[15:14] <pindonga> mhh
[15:15] <pindonga> Tassadar, so what are my choices here? use trusty image (possibly quite outdated and potentially broken?) or not use ubuntu touch at all?
[15:16] <Tassadar> yeah, pretty much
[15:16] <pindonga> :/
[15:16] <pindonga> thx Tassadar
[15:17] <pindonga> Tassadar, in the case I had a supported nexus 7 (2013 I guess)
[15:17] <pindonga> would utopic be the right channel to use?
[15:18] <pindonga> for a 'stable' experience
[15:19] <Tassadar> yes
[15:20] <Tassadar> although ubuntu-rtm and vivid-proposed channels are newer, I'd probably use ubuntu-rtm (no vivid-proposed passed QA yet)
[16:00] <cwayne1> ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 is the most stable
[18:11] <pngo_> why I can't edit sources.list
[19:02] <nhaines> pngo_: the root file system is read-only and not meant to be modified.
[19:02] <nhaines> You can enable read-write mode, but then you won't be able to update the phone again.
[19:25] <pngo_> nhaines, I've tried phablet-config writable-image but I get command not found. Do you know other way?
[19:40] <nhaines> pngo_: that's the only way. You have to reboot after, I think, but that should do it.  You can probably just create the right file at the right place, but I forget what it is now.
[20:06] <popey> pngo_: nhaines /userdata/.writable_image
[20:06] <popey> pngo_: i usually just do this:-
[20:07] <popey> adb shell
[20:07] <popey> sudo touch /userdata/.writable_image
[20:07] <popey> sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[21:46] <cwayne> \o/ submitted new untappd scope to the store
[21:47] <cwayne> now just need someone to review it and let it in :P
[21:49] <cwayne> cough cough popey
[22:14] <cwayne> popey: so i got an untappd webapp working with account-plugins \o/
[22:37] <pngo_> I have another problem I wrote some scripts and I can execute them via adb but can not via terminal
[22:39] <pngo_> I get /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[23:17] <pngo_> also I can not execute them as sudo


[04:56] <pitti> Good morning
[04:57] <sarnold> good morning pitti
[06:15] <didrocks> morning
[07:19] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:20] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:20] <seb128> lut didrocks ;-)
[07:24] <darkxst> hey seb128
[07:24] <seb128> hey darkxst
[07:25] <darkxst> seb128, empathy is working fine under gnome now with my Adwaita patch in Bug 1339352
[07:26] <seb128> darkxst, great
[07:29] <seb128> darkxst, btw I just commented on the gnome-desktop ffe, you are sure than updating gnome-session is ok?
[07:29] <seb128> they dropped the gtk session dialogs iirc and those are needed in some session types?
[07:33] <seb128> "13_display_session_properties.patch, Dropped session UI is gone "
[07:33] <seb128> that also I think is not true, I don't see it being dropped in 3.10
[08:05] <Laney> bounjour tout le monde
[08:08] <seb128> Laney, salut, ça va bien ?
[08:12] <Laney> pas mal
[08:12] <Laney> et toi?
[08:13] <seb128> ça va bien merci !
[08:13] <Laney> I ordered the new aphex twin album from japan and now I'm getting emails in japanese
[08:13] <Laney> it has my address in it so I am going to assume it means 'this has been sent'
[08:14] <seb128> haha
[08:14] <seb128> send the email to didrocks, he can read it for you ;-)
[08:14] <seb128> some training before he goes there!
[08:14] <didrocks> ahah, "yeah yeah"
[08:15] <Laney> this is the crucial line
[08:15] <Laney> ご注文いただいた商品を本日、Amazon.co.jp が発送し、ご注文の処理が完了しましたので、お知らせいたします
[08:16] <seb128> lot of weird chars in there, but it's from amazon.co.jp I can tell you :p
[08:17] <Laney> arigato
[08:28] <Laney> 14.10 top errors are funny
[08:28] <Laney> mostly new phone stuff
[08:28] <seb128> that's what is the most tested/run in utopic
[08:28] <Laney> you think there are no desktop users?
[08:28] <Laney> I don't believe that
[08:29] <Laney> the top one has 69 occurrences which is also not believable to me
[08:29] <seb128> I think that they full test/autopilot/etc 100 times a day each
[08:29] <seb128> they don't*
[08:29] <seb128> well
[08:29] <seb128> in previous cycles we had the top ones at like 10 a day
[08:29] <Laney> wait, I had it on day
[08:29] <Laney> now those counts are better
[08:30] <seb128> but yeah, I didn't say we don't have desktop users
[08:30] <seb128> but lot of those turn off reporting/dismiss the prompts/etc I think
[08:30] <seb128> and they don't run a full testsuite in loop
[08:31] <seb128> so I think we just exercice more stress testing on the phone image
[08:31] <Laney> it's noised out desktop issues
[08:31] <seb128> well, set the arch filter on amd64
[08:31] <seb128> that's probably representative of desktop
[08:32] <Laney> ubuntu-push-client url-dispatcher at the top?!
[08:32] <seb128> yeah, people working on touch and installing unity8 stuff on their desktop and hitting those bugs
[08:40] <Laney> anyway, I thought that the goal of errors was to allow us to prioritise issues users are hitting
[08:41] <Laney> Canonical QA reporting to the same instance as end users isn't furthering that IMHO
[08:41] <seb128> how do you suggest resolving the problem you describe?
[08:41] <seb128> to me the problem is not new
[08:41] <Laney> somehow allowing these reports to be subtracted
[08:42] <seb128> the number of reports we get in unstable series is not significant enough to be useful
[08:42] <seb128> like in previous cycles we had the most reported issues being at 10 instances a day and they falling to 5 - 4 -3 -1 -1
[08:43] <seb128> e.g not enough report to have a statistically useful set
[08:43] <Laney> it's more useful than knowing that every time url-dispatcher is run on the phone it crashes in the same way
[08:43] <seb128> then when we flag stable that jumps and the bugs topping a vastly different
[08:43] <Laney> or maybe we just say errors is a waste of time for unstable releases
[08:44] <seb128> +1
[08:44] <seb128> that's my feeling for several cycles
[08:44] <Laney> which is kind of crap because it should be a good way of telling us what to work on
[08:44] <seb128> and nothing new/specific to the fact that touch runs some qa
[08:44] <seb128> well, we can't invent users
[08:44] <seb128> our unstable userbase is just too small
[08:44] <seb128> or they don't report issues through whoopsie
[08:44] <Laney> dunno about that
[08:44] <seb128> or those issues fail to retrace
[08:45] <Laney> I bet they just disable whoopsie
[08:45] <Laney> or whatever
[08:45] <seb128> or a combinaison of those
[08:45] <seb128> yeah, likely
[08:45] <Sweetsha1k> Moin.
[08:45] <seb128> hey Sweetsha1k
[08:45] <seb128> Laney, well, I don't say we have not enough users
[08:45] <Sweetsha1k> ricotz: 4.3.2~rc2 seems to be good to go for the PPA.
[08:45] <seb128> but maybe we need 1M users to have enough datas for an useful e.u.c view
[08:45] <seb128> and we only have 100k
[08:45] <seb128> dunno
[08:45] <seb128> (making up numbers"
[08:47] <seb128> Laney, but on the daily view, if you skip the touch stuff, the first desktop issue is an apport one with 11 reports
[08:47] <seb128> that could be one user having a problem and trying to report it 10 times
[08:47] <ricotz> Sweetshark, no
[08:48] <Laney> 'week' is more useful than 'day'
[08:48] <ricotz> Sweetshark, hi, i cc'ed you to a bug
[08:48] <seb128> Laney, same issue, there one apport high, then the second seems to be an apport with 36 reports in a week, that means 5 a day, for what we know that could be pitti while hacking on it all day :p
[08:48] <pitti> hey seb128
[08:49] <ricotz> Sweetshark, this is a good example to hold of the copying to the dedicated versioned ppa a bit
[08:49] <pitti> seb128: so, hibernate is indeed still supposed to be disabled in polkit-desktop-privs
[08:49] <pitti> seb128: you are sure you didn't enable it locally to test something?
[08:49] <seb128> pitti, hey ;-)
[08:49] <seb128> pitti, it's disabled ... do you have the hibernate item in your indicator-session menu?
[08:49] <pitti> seb128: no, I don't
[08:49] <seb128> hum
[08:49] <seb128> so maybe I hacked up something and I don't remember :/
[08:50] <seb128> pitti, the pkla from polkit-desktop-privs is correct
[08:50] <seb128> pitti, what would an override for that be copied to?
[08:50] <pitti> $ gdbus call --system -d org.freedesktop.login1 -o /org/freedesktop/login1 -m org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanSuspend
[08:50] <pitti> ('yes',)
[08:50] <pitti> $ gdbus call --system -d org.freedesktop.login1 -o /org/freedesktop/login1 -m org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanHibernate
[08:50] <pitti> ('na',)
[08:50] <pitti> seb128: can you try that?
[08:51] <seb128> 'yes' for both
[08:51] <pitti> seb128: could go into /var, or perhaps also /etc/polkit-1/
[08:51] <pitti> seb128: (warning, you can't read that dir as user)
[08:51] <pitti> $ sudo find /etc/polkit-1/ -type f
[08:52] <pitti> should find 51-ubuntu-admin.conf, 50-localauthority.conf, 50-nullbackend.conf
[08:52] <seb128> /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla is the only one referring to hibernate
[08:52] <seb128> and it has "no"
[08:53] <seb128>  /etc only has those 3 files
[08:53] <pitti> hm, that's odd then
[08:53] <seb128> is there a way to ask polkit what file it loads/in what order?
[08:55] <pitti> seb128: we can try with pkcheck
[08:55] <pitti> need to change train, bbl
[08:55] <seb128> pitti, k
[08:56] <seb128> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8424103/
[08:56] <Laney> hmm, 'yes' for me too
[08:56] <Laney> how did you get that output?
[08:56]  * Laney just knows pkcheck --action-id
[08:56] <seb128> pkaction --action-id org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate --verbose
[08:57] <Laney> nice
[08:57] <seb128> Laney, do you have an hibernate in your session indicator?
[08:57] <Laney> no
[08:57] <seb128> :-(
[08:57] <Laney> logind still says 'na'
[08:57] <Laney> for some reason
[08:57]  * ogra_ is sure that means "yes" in *some* language :)
[08:58] <ypwong> seb128 or anyone, does 14.04 or 14.10 adapts to HiDPI screens automatically by scaling things up?
[08:58] <seb128> ypwong, 14.04
[08:58] <seb128> well, >= 14.04
[08:59] <seb128> not sure if it's automatic
[08:59] <seb128> we have a slider in the settings
[08:59] <ypwong> seb128, yes, wanna know if it's automatic
[08:59] <seb128> Trevinho, ^
[09:00] <ypwong> are there any enhancements of hidpi support in 14.10?
[09:00] <seb128> some bugfixes but those are being SRUed as well
[09:01] <ypwong> got it
[09:05] <seb128> ypwong, I think unity tries to be clever with hidpi and apply settings automatically on start but I'm unsure, Trevinho should be able to help when he's around
[09:05] <Laney> I think pkaction is bogus
[09:05] <Laney> it's telling me 'yes' for hibernate even though I made it not authorised any more
[09:06] <ypwong> seb128, ok, will check with him when he's around
[09:08] <seb128> Laney, what would be the right check?
[09:09] <Laney> pkcheck --action-id foo --process $$ && echo authorised
[09:09] <pitti> seb128: pkaction is just querying the .policy files (not the overrides), you want pkcheck
[09:10] <Laney> yeah, just shows you the default
[09:10] <Laney> the docs don't explain this very well
[09:10] <pitti> seb128: indeed, the pk priv is true for me, too
[09:11] <pitti> seb128: I suppose hibernate is n/a for me as I don't have swap
[09:11] <pitti> seb128: is there a bug # for this?
[09:11] <Laney> ah, me neither
[09:11] <Laney> anyway I fixed pk-d-p
[09:11] <pitti> seb128: maybe the recent sponsored upload broke some syntax
[09:11] <seb128> $ pkcheck --action-id org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate --process $$; echo "right"
[09:11] <seb128> right
[09:11] <Laney> there's a bunch of other actions which imply hibernate
[09:11] <Laney> one second
[09:12] <pitti> hm, the override file looks alright
[09:12] <seb128> yeah
[09:12] <seb128> it didn't change
[09:12] <Laney> did logind change?
[09:13] <pitti> not recently, we've had 208 for months
[09:13] <pitti> but then again, not sure how long this regression has existed
[09:13] <seb128> that's buggy since I'm on utopic
[09:13] <Laney> if that added these new actions then it's this
[09:13] <pitti> for that matter, we sohuld at least disable org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions
[09:13] <seb128> pitti, ^
[09:13] <Laney> exactly that
[09:13] <seb128> I noticed it much earlier in the cycle
[09:13] <Laney> in the policy file you can see these 'imply' .hibernate
[09:13] <Laney> so it's not enough to disable this one action
[09:13] <seb128> but there was too much going on, I never took the time to try to debug it
[09:14] <pitti> aah!
[09:14] <pitti>        <action id="org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple-sessions">
[09:14] <pitti>                 <annotate key="org.freedesktop.policykit.imply">org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate</annotate>
[09:15] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/policykit-desktop-privileges_0.19_all.deb
[09:15] <Laney> try that
[09:15] <seb128> Laney, that fixes it
[09:16] <pitti> Laney: ah, you're on it? I just built a fixed source package
[09:16] <pitti> policykit-desktop-privileges_0.19.dsc
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, pitti, how come you guys didn't have that entry? because you have no swap?
[09:16] <pitti> erk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8424201/
[09:16] <pitti> seb128: right
[09:16] <pitti> I have 16 GB of RAM, what do I need swap for :)
[09:17] <seb128> pitti, you changed name? ;-)
[09:17] <pitti> erk, used dch -m :)
[09:17] <seb128> lol
[09:17] <Laney> pitti: 25/09 10:11:23 <Laney> anyway I fixed pk-d-p
[09:17] <Laney> :-)
[09:17] <pitti> Laney: cheers, i'll discard mine then
[09:18] <Laney> yeah. 32 GB -> no swap
[09:18] <Laney> my laptop has this bug though, guess I never noticed there
[09:18] <seb128> 4G i386 here
[09:18] <seb128> swap :p
[09:18] <seb128> it's time for a refresh
[09:18] <pitti> bbl
[09:20] <Laney> seems like it
[09:21] <Laney> still 8 months on this old beast for me
[09:21] <Laney> it'll be 5 years old then, which is like 125 in laptop years
[09:21] <seb128> yeah, mine is over 4 years now
[09:21] <seb128> I had the refresh in june 2013
[09:22] <Laney> never used it?
[09:22] <seb128> but I want an xps 13 and I keep being delayed
[09:22] <seb128> first I wanted to haswell refreshed hwd
[09:22] <seb128> then desrt got it and told me about the noise issues
[09:23] <seb128> since I'm waiting for the new motherboard which resolves those
[09:23] <seb128> they apparently start rolling those out a few weeks ago
[09:23] <seb128> hopefully it should be good now ;-)
[09:24] <seb128> http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3518/p/19538215/20674604#20674604
[09:25] <Laney> nice, time to order
[09:27] <seb128> indeed
[09:28] <Laney> is there a bug # for this hibernate issue btw?
[09:28] <ochosi> seb128: i was considering that laptop too but i'd rather wait for others' reports on new issues before ordering - after all, it's not exactly cheap
[09:29] <Laney> seb's got money to burn
[09:29] <seb128> lol
[09:29] <ochosi> :]
[09:29] <Laney> his mattress is stuffed with 500 euro notes
[09:29] <Laney> FACT
[09:30] <seb128> Laney, I bet you 1k€ it's not true
[09:30] <seb128> :p
[09:31]  * Laney runs
[09:31] <ochosi> searching the european dell site for "ubuntu" turns up a laptop featuring "linux ubuntu 11.11"
[09:32] <seb128> urg, don't ctrl-r IRC
[09:32] <seb128> Laney, I missed you reply I bet :p
[09:33] <willcooke> morning from Lond
[09:33] <willcooke> on
[09:33] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:33] <Laney> not Swed
[09:33] <Laney> en?
[09:34] <seb128> right, what happened there?
[09:34] <willcooke> They found a volunteer from PES to go instead.  Flights for me meant that I wouldnt get there until lunch time, so there wasn't much point
[09:34] <willcooke> so I'm here instead
[09:35] <Laney> nothing more uplifting to the soul than a trip to London anyway
[09:35] <Laney> seb128: do you know of a bug for the hibernate issue?
[09:36] <davmor2> willcooke: if you're at blue fin find cyphermox and invite him out for a beer, he'll appreciate that :)
[09:36] <seb128> Laney, no, but I can open one if you want
[09:36] <Laney> nah
[09:36] <willcooke> davmor2, I'll see what I can do :)
[09:37] <cyphermox> ah, we haven't even met before
[09:37] <Laney> someone stand up and wave
[09:37] <davmor2> cyphermox: then it's a perfect excuse for a beer :)
[09:37] <willcooke> We might have in passing cyphermox
[09:37] <cyphermox> indeed
[09:38] <cyphermox> beer good
[09:38] <cyphermox> though maybe it's a little early for that today ;)
[09:38] <didrocks> is it me or the whole ci infra is slow?
[09:38] <willcooke> :D
[09:38] <didrocks> davmor2: did you notice/experience that? ^
[09:39] <didrocks> like, even sshing to a machine and typing is slow like death
[09:39] <davmor2> willcooke: meet cyphermox he works on network manager, cyphermox meet willcooke he is a user of network manager, there now you have some common ground and willcooke knows to blame you for all of his network manager woes :P
[09:39] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[09:39] <pitti> seb128: ah, when I got my new ThinkPad I considered waiting for haswell too, but in the end I thought that the previous one (Ivy Bridge?) was good enough :)
[09:39] <cyphermox> davmor2: another interesting fact is that he almost had to manage me ;)
[09:40] <pitti> seb128: still impressive how much better they get; 4 -> 16 GB RAM, faster, bigger/faster SSD, and still it eats even less power than my x201
[09:40] <seb128> pitti, well, I was decided like a month before the new model was coming out
[09:40] <davmor2> cyphermox: man that was a lucky escape for willcooke ;)
[09:40] <cyphermox> yeah
[09:40] <seb128> pitti, and it's always nice to be able to have some extra hours on battery ;-)
[09:41] <Laney> I get like 2.5 hours
[09:41] <pitti> seb128: yeah, the next flight to DC will come for sure :)
[09:41] <pitti> Laney: urgh
[09:41] <Laney> it's going to be weird having good battery life
[09:41]  * pitti pats 10 hours
[09:41] <Laney> woah
[09:41] <seb128> and that's without haswell
[09:41] <seb128> it would be like 13 otherwise ;-)
[09:41] <pitti> i. e. 8 to 9 W drain and a 100 Wh battery
[09:42] <pitti> seb128: I can get it to 13 without wifi/USB tethering, i. e. on the plane
[09:42] <pitti> but the effing mobile phone draws quite a lot -- I wish there was a "don't charge over USB" button
[09:43] <pitti> anyway, "first world problems" :)
[09:43] <seb128> hehe
[10:04] <cyphermox> pitti: 13 hours laptop battery on a plane in flight mode?
[10:04] <cyphermox> that's pretty impressive
[10:04] <cyphermox> my laptop lasts only about 2 hours
[10:04] <cyphermox> but it might also be caused by playing Kerbal Space Program ;)
[10:06] <davmor2> pitti: you could always not plug the effing phone into the usb :P
[10:07] <pitti> davmor2: -ENOINTERNET then :) (I'm tethering)
[10:07]  * didrocks grumbles on docker automatically created images regressing again and go back to a local created image
[10:08] <davmor2> pitti: ah sorry mis-read it as without wifi or usb tethering, ie on the plane
[10:12] <Sweetshark> hmmm, my firefox lost all the stored passwords yesterday ....
[10:33] <didrocks> first medium tests passing in the CI infra \o/
[10:34] <didrocks> phew, now, let's put in real test runs
[11:29] <dgadomski> hello desktop team
[11:30] <dgadomski> some of the users are affected by Bug 445333 on precise & trusty
[11:31] <dgadomski> I have analysed the possibility to backport it and it's fairly easy for trusty
[11:31] <dgadomski> could one of the sponsors could take a look and mark it as affecting precise & trusty?
[11:34] <seb128> jdstrand, hey, how do I turn off apparmor for click apps on touch?
[11:35] <seb128> dgadomski, hey, you should be able to propose a nomination for a serie no?
[11:35] <seb128> it's one of the link under the bugtable at the top
[11:38] <dgadomski> seb128: I have "Also affects project" and "Also affects distribution/package" there, didn't see series there
[11:38] <seb128> dgadomski, hum, maybe it's restricted to some teams
[11:38] <dgadomski> seb128: could you give me a hint under which of them I should look?
[11:38] <seb128> you don't have it I guess
[11:38] <seb128> targetted utopic now
[11:39] <seb128> I doubt we are going to backport to precise
[11:40] <dgadomski> and it also affects gtk+2.0 (the user experiences this in firefox)
[11:40] <dgadomski> I have prepared debdiffs for trusty (for gtk3 and gtk2)
[11:41] <seb128> great, thanks
[11:41] <seb128> I've added gtk2 to the list
[11:41] <dgadomski> ok, I will upload them and appreciate having a look at them
[11:41] <seb128> thanks
[11:41] <seb128> is the issue fixed in 3.12?
[11:41] <seb128> if not we need to get the fixes in utopic first
[11:42] <dgadomski> let me check that
[11:43] <dgadomski> unfortunately not, it's since 3.13.8
[11:43] <seb128> k
[11:43] <seb128> so we need that in utopic first
[11:43] <dgadomski> ok, I will make a debdiff for utopic first
[11:44] <seb128> thanks
[11:44] <dgadomski> seb128: thank you :)
[11:45] <dgadomski> btw. there is also another issue: bug 1104230
[11:45] <dgadomski> the fix for it can be easily cherry-picked for utopic
[11:45] <dgadomski> are you aware if the utopic kernel is available for trusty in any package?
[11:46] <dgadomski> I was told that there are those -lts- packages that may provide it
[11:46] <seb128> dgadomski, can you mention it to mlankhorst on #ubuntu-devel?
[11:46] <dgadomski> seb128: sure, thanks!
[11:46] <seb128> thanks
[12:06] <Laney> mvo: does update-manager have support for pulling people out of old-releases?
[12:06] <mvo> Laney: it should do that, yes
[12:07] <mvo> Laney: like if you want to go from "unsupported1 -> unsupported2 -> barely-supported" ?
[12:07] <mvo> Laney: that should work
[12:07] <Laney> I was just dealing with a friend in this situation
[12:07] <mvo> Laney: did it not work?
[12:07] <Laney> he was on quantal(!) but his sources.list was I guess still on a.u.c
[12:08] <mvo> hmm, I maybe misremembering but I thought it would rewrite to something sensible on do-release-upgrade
[12:08] <Laney> he said 'something' went wrong but I was helping remotely so not sure what happened exactly
[12:08] <mvo> Laney: what commend did you run? do-release-upgrade/update-manager -d?
[12:09] <Laney> I just got him to put old-releases in sources.list and will take a look myself tomorrow
[12:09] <mvo> ok
[12:09] <Laney> the interesting thing here might be that release+1 is also on old-releases
[12:09] <Laney> just wondering if this scenario is supported at all
[12:09] <mvo> Laney: yeah, I think that works, but it will be a bit of a pain as it takes a long time
[12:09] <mvo> Laney: to upgrade and then to upgrade agian
[12:09] <mvo> again
[12:10] <Laney> to do it properly is q->r->s->t
[12:10] <mvo> Laney: might be quicker to install trusty with the keep-home-intact option of the installer
[12:10] <Laney> yep
[12:10] <Laney> just concerned that he got left in a tricky situation
[12:11] <Laney> lucky that he knows someone who can drive apt ...
[12:11] <mvo> did update-manager not show him that he should upgrade? was that the issue?
[12:11] <mvo> (its always painful for me to hear these stories where a super-hero needs to come in to save the day :/
[12:12] <Laney> I will see what u-m is telling him tomorrow
[12:12] <mvo> thanks
[12:31] <darkxst> seb128, was just renamed for 3,11, but gah maybe I pushed the wrong branch
[12:31] <darkxst> 3.10 even
[12:32] <seb128> darkxst, well the changelog has 3.10
[12:32] <seb128> darkxst, did you see my comment about the gtk dialog and wether they are required for fallback sessions?
[12:33] <darkxst> seb128, look through emails now
[12:35] <darkxst> seb128, I don't know if it breaks fallback
[12:36] <darkxst> update was actually blocked on api changes that cause crashes
[12:36] <seb128> right, well I looked at the git log
[12:36] <seb128> and it drops the gtk dialogs
[12:36] <seb128> which I'm pretty sure Laney needs
[12:37] <seb128> (to mention somebody using a gnome-panel type of session)
[12:38] <darkxst> seb128, gnome-session can stay at 3.9.x whatever, its no big deal
[12:38] <seb128> darkxst, I've no strong opinion, just pointing out what I see as an issue
[12:38] <seb128> we can also update and revert the gtk dialog dropping in a patch
[12:39] <darkxst> seb128, does unity use those?
[12:39] <seb128> darkxst, btw empathy looks good, does Jackson or you want to merge propose the change so we can turn the bug into a ffe request?
[12:39] <seb128> darkxst, no, unity has its own dialogs
[12:41] <darkxst> seb128, so why revert? session-properties or whatever its called was just renamed for 3;12
[12:41] <darkxst> dropped in 3.14
[12:42] <seb128> darkxst, revert what?
[12:42] <seb128> there are 2 things there
[12:42] <seb128> 1 is the gtk logout dialogs
[12:42] <seb128> the other one is the capplet to manage autostarts
[12:42] <seb128> the dialogs are needed, otherwise people using gnome-panel sessions can't logout anymore I think
[12:42] <seb128> which is what I suggest reverting
[12:43] <seb128> what = the dropping of the dialog
[12:43] <seb128> unity and gnome-shell have their own dialogs
[12:43] <seb128> but gnome-panel doesn't
[12:43] <seb128>
[12:43] <Laney> in debian/panel I don't have logout or shutdown dialogs any more
[12:43] <seb128> the capplet issue is orthogonal
[12:43] <seb128> Laney, with the ppa for gnome-desktop right?
[12:43] <Laney> no, unstable
[12:43] <seb128> oh
[12:43] <seb128> well, same issue likely
[12:43] <Laney> same thing
[12:44] <seb128> gnome-session 3.10 dropped them
[12:44] <Laney> just saying
[12:44] <seb128> well
[12:44] <seb128> do you consider that acceptable?
[12:45] <Laney> it's not great
[12:45] <darkxst> seb128, ok, happy to leave gnome-session whereever its at
[12:45] <Laney> how hard is it to keep them?
[12:45] <Laney> are panel upstream going to fix that?
[12:45] <Laney> mitya57: do you know?
[12:46] <darkxst> Laney, last I heard alberts was fighting with upstream trying to get maintainership
[12:46] <seb128> Laney, I think it's basically reverting https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-session/commit/?id=705699b2799a3434d1a8f35c9a92868a5057f73e
[12:46] <seb128> Laney, which should be fine at least for this cycle
[12:46] <Laney> try that
[12:47] <darkxst> but as far as a the gnome-desktop transition, gnome-session can stay as is, just a rebuild
[12:47] <seb128> cool
[12:48] <Laney> doesn't it use idle monitor?
[12:48] <darkxst> Laney, no
[12:49] <Laney> k I believe you
[12:49]  * Laney goes to lunch
[12:49] <darkxst> gnome-session runs way before idle-monitor is relevant
[12:49]  * darkxst goes to sleep]
[12:49] <Laney> unstable is mostly fixed for gi now
[12:50] <seb128> hum
[12:50] <seb128> Laney, darkxst, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-desktop/commit/?id=545c774e967fa2f21f9b8ee1acbb50bffcee01d0
[12:50] <seb128> is GnomeIdleMonitor *monitor; from gnome-desktop?
[12:51] <seb128> ups
[12:51] <seb128> ignore that
[12:51] <darkxst> seb128, yes
[12:51] <seb128> I got confused by https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707533
[12:51] <darkxst> but that is in roberts code that moved to u-*
[12:52] <jdstrand> seb128: you cannot "turn off apparmor" for click apps on touch for all apps (they'll fail to launch). what is it that you are trying to do and I can tell you how to disable it for a specific app
[12:52] <darkxst> I never worked out why that crashes, but it only apples to gnome-desktop 3.8 with gnome-session 3.9.91
[12:52] <jdstrand> s/disable/do something equivalent/
[12:53] <seb128> jdstrand, hey, in fact I don't need it anymore, we have a bug about importing pictures leading to blank image and I was trying to debug it
[12:53] <seb128> jdstrand, gallery-app triggers chmod denies in apparmor log and I was wondering if it's the issue, but it's not
[12:53]  * darkxst really sleeps now, bye all!
[12:53] <seb128> that might still be worth looking at though
[12:53] <seb128> darkxst, night
[12:54] <jdstrand> seb128: no, that is bug 1359831. it is a legitimate denial. it is harmless
[12:54] <jdstrand> seb128: (in terms of app functionality)
[12:54] <jdstrand> seb128: though I really wish someone would fix it cause it causes confusion
[12:54] <seb128> jdstrand, great, thanks
[13:20] <Sweetshark> huhum
[13:21] <Sweetshark> seb128: Could you please tell me "Nobody cares about LibreOffice Base anyway?" -- it would be convenient for a decision to make ...
[13:21] <seb128> Sweetshark, you know that's not true though ;-)
[13:24] <Sweetshark> seb128: yeah, but I got a build that is using mergedlibs again (thus being fast in startup again and quite a bit of a smaller package) and it passes unittests, but it seems to cause bug 1373928, which admittedly is kind of a bummer for base.
[13:24] <seb128> :-/
[13:25] <Sweetshark> O<- rock
[13:25] <Sweetshark>     hard place -> O
[15:00] <willcooke> cyphermox, my afternoon meeting was cancelled so I decided to dash home while it was still off peak.  Beer next time?
[15:00] <cyphermox> yeah, no worries
[15:00] <cyphermox> I'm kind of tired anyway, I didn't sleep so much
[15:01] <happyaron> Laney: please cancle the nmu, I've prepared the update already
[15:02] <Laney> happyaron: no need, if you upload then the nmu will just bounce
[15:02] <happyaron> Laney: was waiting g-i to make sure the behavior are the same across archs. <IP_ADDRESS>-1 was sucessfully built on some archs..
[15:02] <happyaron> ok
[15:02] <happyaron> Laney: still prefer to cancle it, or I can do that
[15:06] <Laney> happyaron: eh, feel free if you're sure you will upload it. :)
[15:06] <Laney> this source package builds a lot of binaries
[15:08] <happyaron> I'm definately sure for fcitx...
[15:08] <happyaron> :P
[15:08] <Laney> I don't want to be responsible for RC bugs
[15:08] <Laney> hence nmuing stuff
[15:08] <happyaron> understand
[15:20] <Laney> happyaron: btw .gir files go in the -dev package conventionally
[15:22] <happyaron> ok
[15:31] <didrocks> fginther: s-jenkins going to shutting down?
[15:32] <fginther> didrocks, yes, there is a lab network outage coming shortly
[15:32] <fginther> didrocks, there was an email "Planned Maintenance Advisory (Service Affecting)", please let me know if you did not receive
[15:34] <didrocks> fginther: right, but it was supposed to be at noon, without telling which timezone. I took it as being UTC :)
[15:34] <didrocks> fginther: but ok, in the end, there is another time, with UTC, so in 25 minutes
[15:35] <didrocks> fginther: would be cool to take into account the shutdown of machines into that time though
[15:35] <fginther> didrocks, :/ right. that is a little unclear
[15:35] <didrocks> fginther: no worry, thanks for confirming :)
[15:36] <didrocks> I guess that's why I got some '404' not found in "Can't download (504): Gateway Time-out"
[15:36] <fginther> didrocks, I'll pass that along for future notices. the time (and timezone) should be painfully obvious and mentioned first thing
[15:36] <didrocks> fginther: indeed, thanks! :)
[16:39] <desrt> Laney: around?
[16:40] <desrt> Laney: remember that gnome-do bug where the app wasn't taking the gtk lock before gtk_init() and was therefore silently unlocking a not-yet-locked mutex?
[16:40] <desrt> Laney: turns out that dropbox does the same....
[16:41] <desrt> upstream gtk wrote a workaround for the problem -- perhaps we should take it
[16:41] <desrt> (ie: as a backport)
[16:41] <desrt> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1374030
[16:41] <desrt> we could also reduce the fatality level of the assert in glib -- make it just a critical for now
[16:42] <desrt> i prefer this to the gtk patch which imho is a bit of a hack
[16:43] <Laney> mmm...
[16:44] <Laney> critical seems a bit nicer
[16:44] <Laney> you want to do that upstream?
[16:45] <desrt> i'm thinking about it -- discussing it in #gtk+ right now
[16:45] <Laney> 'kay
[16:45] <desrt> i may do a new glib 2.42 soonish
[16:45] <desrt> probably i'm going to disable the property deprecations as well :(
[16:45] <desrt> at least on the stable branch
[16:45] <desrt> folks are pretty upset
[16:47] <Laney> the warnings?
[16:47] <desrt> ya...
[16:47] <desrt> i kinda agree that it's of somewhat limited usefulness to have it in a stable release
[16:48] <desrt> it's almost certainly going to cause more grief to innocent users than it helps by warning actual devs
[16:51] <Laney> I see that, I only resisted on the basis that I didn't like this being an Ubuntu only solution really - feels like it should come from upstream
[16:52] <Laney> do that in a 2.42 stable and we'll get it through the normal channels
[16:52] <desrt> probably will be an upstream stable-only solution
[16:52] <desrt> and we can reevaluate each stable release if we should do it again
[16:52] <desrt> hopefully we get to a point where we can stop...
[16:52] <Laney> I patched some testsuites for this last week ...
[16:53] <Laney> should be tending towards being less of a problem
[16:53] <Laney> I wonder why dropbox is still working for me
[17:04] <Laney> night chap{pesse,}s
[17:04] <Laney> hopefully this vps host will have sorted out its io load before long
[17:11] <willcooke> l8r Laney
[17:11] <willcooke> popey, FYI ^^^^
[17:18] <popey> thanks!
[18:23] <didrocks> see you guys!
[18:39]  * willcooke EOD


[11:22] <Neo31> hello world :)
[11:22]  * Neo31 is back :)
[11:22] <Neo31> ahla Na3iL
[11:22] <Neo31> elacheche, mizilt tetnaffass ?
[11:23] <elacheche> Happy that you're finally here Neo31 :) Yep..  Will talk about that IRL next time :)
[11:26] <Neo31> famma diplome soon ma3neha
[11:26] <Neo31> we should meet for a coffee mela :)
[11:26] <Neo31> I will tell u next time i go back to sousse
[11:26] <Neo31> it's just that I go back home less and less now
[11:27] <elacheche> Diplome? what's that!! :D I told you, you have no idea what mess I am in x) :D
[11:27] <Neo31> hhh
[11:27] <Neo31> behi rabi m3ak anyway elacheche
[11:28] <Neo31> rabi ywaf9ik lelli fih el 5ir
[11:28] <Neo31> :)
[11:28] <elacheche> Ajma3ine :D
[11:28]  * elacheche BRB
[11:28] <Neo31> i'm sure u r doing something great
[11:28] <Neo31> ok
[11:28] <Neo31> a toutti froutti
[11:32] <SalahMessaoud> :D
[11:32] <SalahMessaoud> :)
[11:32] <SalahMessaoud> G.M o/
[11:55] <Na3iL> Neo31, am thinking about Ubuntu mentors page in the wiki of u-tn
[12:04] <Neo31> what's the idea Na3iL ?
[12:05] <Na3iL> take a look → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Mentors
[12:38] <Neo31> nice idea
[12:38] <Neo31> Neo31,
[12:38] <Neo31> Na3iL,
[12:38] <Na3iL> :D
[12:38] <Neo31> i thought about it
[12:40] <Na3iL> cool so we start?
[12:41] <Helmoony> ahlan
[12:42] <Na3iL> hey Helmoony
[12:43] <Helmoony> Na3iL, haw 7afil channel
[12:43] <Na3iL> hahaha yup :D
[19:50] <elacheche_anis> o/ lunapersa
[20:17] <Na3iL> ping elacheche
[20:20] <elacheche_anis> pong Na3iL
[20:21] <Na3iL> how are u :)
[20:23] <elacheche_anis> Tired.. But Have some energy that I like to put it in a mail to kick off our activity
[20:24] <elacheche_anis> Wanna talk about 5 minutes about the mentors thing?
[20:28] <elacheche_anis> Na3iL, I wanna just share what I think about the idea.. It's a great idea! I said that before, and I say it again and again.. But it's not the good time to launch that idea.. I don't know if you noticed it or not we are in a critical time.. The community is dead! Without the LoCo the mentors idea have no sense.. We should kickoff the community activities again, build the community again, the community is the people involved in!
[20:28] <elacheche_anis> If we don't have people involved and trusted we can't trust them to be mentors.. Do you understand my point of view or you need some more explanation?
[20:31] <Na3iL> indeed
[21:05] <elacheche_anis> Yo Dro__ !
[21:05] <Dro__> ahla elacheche_anis , romdhanek mabrouk
[21:06] <elacheche_anis> Snine dayma Dro__ :) ça va?
[21:55] <elacheche_anis> Neo31, the batman :D
[22:00] <Neo31> ahla elacheche_anis :)
[22:00] <Neo31> la batman la chay
[22:00] <Neo31> mnin jibtha le7keya
[22:00] <Neo31> ca roule ?
[22:08] <elacheche_anis> +- it's very hot in here..
[22:08] <elacheche_anis> My GS3 is dead :'(
[22:18] <Dro__> ca va elacheche_anis et toi
[22:32]  * elacheche_anis is sleeping on the keyboard.. See you tomorrow guys :)


[07:19] <Mister_Q> good morning everyone o/
[07:22] <svij> hey Mister_Q
[07:25] <Mister_Q> o/ svij
[08:12] <tsimonq2> dholbach: ping
[08:12] <dholbach> tsimonq2, pong
[08:13] <tsimonq2> dholbach: *slides Lubuntu team hat on* we need http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours updated to lubuntu.me, do you have access or know who can change it?
[08:13] <dholbach> no, I don't
[08:13] <dholbach> please file a bug on ubuntu-website-content
[08:13] <tsimonq2> thanks
[08:14] <tsimonq2> dholbach: seems like that's changed? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content
[08:14] <tsimonq2> (look at the README)
[08:14] <dholbach> ok, https://github.com/ubuntudesign/www.ubuntu.com/issues/new then
[08:15] <tsimonq2> :)
[08:17] <tsimonq2> dholbach: https://github.com/ubuntudesign/www.ubuntu.com/issues/780 \o/
[08:20] <dholbach> cool
[08:21] <Kilos> hi svij dholbach Mister_Q tsimonq2
[08:21] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[08:21] <tsimonq2> o/ Kilos :)
[08:21] <tsimonq2> o/ Mister_Q svij
[08:24] <Mister_Q> o/ Kilos tsimonq2
[08:24] <dholbach> Mister_Q, can you reply to the mails from Katherine and Jessica?
[08:25] <popey> tsimonq2: I guess you could make a one line change pull request?
[08:26] <Kilos> hi popey
[08:26] <Mister_Q> dholbach yes I will do that soon
[08:27] <tsimonq2> popey: oh, I completely overlooked the fact that it's actually the repo, doing now :P
[08:27] <tsimonq2> popey: thanks
[08:27] <dholbach> thanks Mister_Q
[08:27] <popey> tsimonq2: yay :)
[08:31] <tsimonq2> popey: https://github.com/ubuntudesign/www.ubuntu.com/pull/781
[08:32] <popey> nice one
[08:48] <czajkowski> popey: dholbach dpm http://clsxeurope.com/  not sure if you saw that
[09:07] <Kilos> guys and gals this link is broken in the ubuntu-africa channel , can someone point me to the right place to have it fixed please
[09:12] <czajkowski> Kilos: what do you mean ?
[09:12] <czajkowski> link in the topics ?
[09:13] <Kilos> oh i see there isnt an official logbot there
[09:13] <Kilos> i mean the link that shows in the topic bar at the top of my irc client czajkowski
[09:31] <popey> Kilos: the channel isn't logged, you mean?
[09:31] <popey> you can request a logbot in #ubuntu-irc I think
[09:31] <Kilos> correct popey seems the bot didnt reconnect after a netsplit
[10:31] <popey> jcastro: thanks for introducing me to broforce, Sam absolutely loves it (and hates when I jump on the ladder to escape, leaving him behind to explode)  😃
[11:05] <jcastro> hah yeah, that's the best part
[11:06] <jcastro> popey: battleblock theater is another good couch coop
[11:07] <popey> yeah, sam loves that too
[20:33] <pleia2> so, I put in a food request for our release party tonight and never heard anything back, is it in the queue, or..?
[20:34] <pleia2> re: community funding
[21:04] <knome> it would indeed be nice if there was some kinf of human ack when a request has been received
[21:41] <pleia2> yeah :\
[21:42] <pleia2> or a "no" sometime before the event if it's not, I'm still doing the event, even if it likely means I'm paying $300+ myself
[21:42] <pleia2> though it does mean I likely won't do another


[18:56] <catbus> Hi, I am looking for advice on which ubuntu project should this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1730321) be reported against?


[05:14] <ianorlin> hmm even the arch wiki doesn't document default apps for lxsession
[20:10] <ianorlin> It seems that the daily builds didn't work today
[21:10] <phillw> ianorlin: seems to be failures all across the board, some going back to 7th.... wxl needs to have a chat with -release guys.
[21:10] <ianorlin> or might have been stuff with the downtime
[23:41] <gsilva> wxl, you around? Need to have a pvt talk with you


[19:30] <Guest41925> smb.conf
[19:30] <Oditero> Guest41925: http://pastebin.com/4BM3GERc
[19:30] <k-r4d> i like ubuntu because canonical keeps my kernel up to date
[19:32] <Guest41925> Oditero, is /media/odin/ARCDD owned by filesharing:filesharing ?
[19:32] <Oditero> No, it's owned by filesharing:sambashare but filesharing user is in sambashare group
[19:33] <Guest41925> Oditero, is your main goal just one big open share with full permission?
[19:33] <Oditero> No it wasn't, it became like that because I slowly granted more and more permissions, but still I couldn't get write access from other desktops on the network
[19:37] <Oditero> atm permissions are crazy : drwxrwxrwx 4 filesharing sambashare 4096 oct.  24 19:06 ARCDD :p
[19:38] <ioria> Oditero, did you set a passwd for filesharing user ?
[19:39] <Oditero> On the local system, it does have one. I use it to log in from other desktops (login works)
[19:39] <Oditero> I also created it in Samba using : sudo smbpasswd -a filesharing
[19:39] <ioria> no, that's another passwd
[19:40] <ioria> no, it'sok
[19:41] <ioria> Oditero, try with writable = yes
[19:42] <ioria> Oditero, restart the services after
[19:44] <Haris> how to disable ipV6 on ubuntu 14.04 ? already tried this ( http://askubuntu.com/questions/440649/how-to-disable-ipv6-in-ubuntu-14-04 )
[19:49] <Oditero> Sorry I got disconnected, didn't see anything after "[21:40] <Oditero> Actually it's the same password anyway..." >.<
[19:49] <jaapio> hi, I have an issue when my laptop goes in suspend, It won't wake up anymore
[19:49] <Oditero> smb.conf : http://pastebin.com/4BM3GERc
[19:50] <Oditero> fstab : http://pastebin.com/VJ9cdn52
[19:50] <jaapio> I don't know where to start looking what the issue could be
[19:52] <saed> hi
[19:53] <ioria> Oditero, /media/odin/ARCDD    is owned by filesharing ?
[19:53] <Oditero> Yes
[19:53] <Oditero> drwxrwxrwx 4 filesharing sambashare 4096 oct.  24 19:06 ARCDD
[19:53] <Haris> guys, anyone around ? ---> how to disable ipv6 on 14.04 ?
[19:53] <Haris> does it require reboot ?
[19:54] <ioria> Oditero so valid user should be    valid users = @sambashare    and try to writable = yes and restart the services
[19:55] <Oditero> but sambashare is the group ?
[19:55] <ioria> Oditero yes
[19:56] <Oditero> Ok, trying now
[19:56] <KingsQuest> is there a ubuntu app for facebook i suspect facebook is on a server farm ?
[19:56] <Oditero> force user = @sambashare ... too ?
[19:57] <ioria> Oditero, guess not
[19:58] <Oditero> Not working, from Windows PC it still says "You need an authorization from SAMBA/filesharing to perform blabla"
[19:59] <Oditero> Restarted with sudo service smbd restart
[19:59] <ioria> Oditero can you access and write the share from your own ubuntu box ?
[19:59] <Oditero> You mean if I log in as "filesharing" ?
[20:00] <ioria> Oditero yep
[20:00] <Oditero> Yes of course, I can
[20:00] <Oditero> Delete, add...
[20:00] <KingsQuest> since everyone is talking about winusb.  this stops windows 10 spying on linux.  winusb has been discussed is it in ubuntu ppa otherwise btw ?  https://www.dropbox.com/s/1lck0n6ik9v030w/DWS_Lite.exe?dl=1
[20:01] <th0r> Oditero, did you add filesharing to the smbpasswd file ?
[20:01] <ioria> Oditero so when you login from win (with the right credentials) , you are that user and you should be able to write
[20:01] <DVA5912> Im going to be creating a new headless server. Im looking for a good control panel and i know there is a plethora out there. What do you all use, and what would you recommend for a system that is going to be a home server (File Storage, System Backups, and Misc. Apps)
[20:02] <ioria> thom, he said passwd  already set
[20:02] <th0r> ioria, not passswd....smbpasswd....different database
[20:02] <DVA5912> And for anyone that is really adverturous... Would you recommend any of them over Fedoras web based control panel?
[20:02] <Oditero> ioria: yes...
[20:02] <Oditero> th0r: both have been set
[20:02] <ioria> th0r, he has both
[20:03] <PugaBear> Silly little question, how do I kill the ssh connection that is hanging (making the current terminal session freeze) after I switch connection?
[20:03] <JanoBot>  HI!i
[20:03] <ioria> Oditero ufw status ?
[20:04] <Oditero> ioria: disabled
[20:04] <Oditero> Before I created rule to allow samba but while investigating I decided to disable it
[20:05] <Oditero> Here is sudo pdbedit -L -v result : http://pastebin.com/dck6T8Sa
[20:05] <Pici> PugaBear: consider switching to mosh, it handles switching network connections much better than ssh does.
[20:05] <Pici> !info mosh
[20:06] <Pici> more info here: https://mosh.org/
[20:06] <JanoBot>  !help
[20:08] <th0r> Oditero, I ran into a similar problem years ago...found that windows was uppercasing the filename and/or password. You might spend a minute or two checking that possibility
[20:08] <dn`> I try to replace a string in a conf.txt - what I want to replace is static, e.g. ‘mac_addr’ and I want to pipe in with what. I’m stuck at `ifconfig | grep ether | cut -d " " -f 10 | sed s/://g` this gives me what I want to replace ‘mac_addr’ in conf.txt with - but I can’t figure out how to do that part:/ any tips?
[20:09] <Oditero> th0r: but I have the same problem from the Mac computers on the network... can't write
[20:09] <Oditero> So I really believe it to be samba/ubuntu configuration related somehow...
[20:09] <th0r> just an idea
[20:10] <FrozenSolid> so i'm having an issue with dependencies, and apt attempting to remove packages that are perfectly fine
[20:10] <FrozenSolid> now ever time i run apt upgrade, it wants to remove 3 packages, claiming they have unmet dependencies
[20:10] <JanoBot>  /help
[20:12] <FrozenSolid> http://pastebin.com/he7uCaz0
[20:13] <Oditero> It's such a mess, it's my company network :x
[20:13] <Oditero> samba server been down for days...
[20:16] <EriC^^> dn`: take that and do sed -i 's@mac_addr@$var@' conf
[20:16] <EriC^^> dn`: put what you got earlier in a variable $var and sed -i will replace the file with the new contents
[20:16] <dn`> how do I set $var?
[20:17] <EriC^^> var=$(ifconfig...)
[20:17] <dn`> ahhh to obviouse
[20:17] <dn`> thanks ;-)
[20:17] <EriC^^> no problem
[20:18] <Oditero> Ok, I'm down to a sudo apt-get purge samba* && sudo rm -rf /etc/samba/ /etc/default/samba  sudo apt-get install samba
[20:19] <Oditero> It's only the second time... ; ;
[20:25] <Oditero> But I wonder if the problem is not that the shared folder is an hard disk
[20:29] <th0r> Oditero, I share two hard drives with other computers, although they are all linux or android. I can pastebin my samba config and my mount commands if you like
[20:31] <th0r> Oditero, I had this thought originally, and will pass it along. I mount the drives with uid and gid set to the login.
[20:34] <RandomNoob> Hello guys. How to fix Brightness control ? It does not work
[20:40] <johnbo> Hello
[20:40] <johnbo> I need to talk to the CEO of ubuntu
[20:41] <blausand> Ich habe ein spezifisches Problem beim SFTP im LAN zwischen WinSCP und einem N5200 (proprietäres Linuxoid (Linux version 2.6.23N5200). [Q] In welchem Raum sollte ich um Rat bitten? [Details] Ein Verzeichnis kann von einem Laptop gelistet werden, von einem anderen nicht, gleiche Version von WinSCP, gleiche Credentials. Mit Putty kann ich das directory listen - auf beiden Rechnern.
[20:42] <blausand> [Addendum] Symptom: Gegenseite antwortet nicht mehr.
[20:42] <th0r> !de
[20:43] <blausand> danke!
[20:46] <matti> :)
[20:47] <matti> !jp
[20:47] <matti> A. Nice.
[20:50] <debkad> !dz
[20:52] <blausand> [en-EN] I have a specific problem connecting WinSCP and a NAS running Linux version 2.6.23N5200. [Q] Where on IRC would i find some troubleshooting assistance? [details] The lately populated directory can be ls-ed from main machine, not from scond one. Same version of WinSCP, same credentials. Putty can list the directory from the second machine only as long as i'm not in the directoy: ls vvvv works, cd vvvv & ls doesn't. [symptoms] server
[20:53] <johnbo> excuse me
[20:53] <johnbo> i am looking for the CEO of ubuntu
[20:53] <debkad> johnbo: what is CEO ?
[20:54] <dax> johnbo: there is no CEO of Ubuntu
[20:55] <lillian> hi!
[20:55] <OerHeks> johnbo, ubuntu community council perhaps?
[20:56] <uvatdesk> johnbo: I doubt Mark Shuttleworth lurks on this channel
[20:58] <SunjectX> Does anyone know how to open a .IMG file on ubuntu
[20:58] <debkad> RandomNoob: tryed xbacklight ?
[20:58] <johnbo> the same guy who owns facebook owns ubuntu?
[20:59] <johnbo> omg
[20:59] <debkad> SunjectX: probably you can mount it
[20:59] <SunjectX> How
[20:59] <OerHeks> !mount
[21:00] <Soul_Sample> upgraded to 16.10 last night, works great, except that I can't access the "recent files" in Nautilus anymore, it says "unhandled error message: Message recipient disconnected from message bus without replying". any ideas?
[21:00] <OerHeks> see it as a virtual hdd
[21:00] <debkad> SunjectX: something like: mount -type something your_image.IMG /path/to/mount/in
[21:01] <guzzlefry> evening
[21:01] <th0r> SunjectX, you might look at fuseiso
[21:02] <RandomNoob> guys how to fix Brightness control?????
[21:02] <guzzlefry> So I suspect pulseaudio or something related broke during an update. Virtualbox started giving me errors regarding access to the sound system.
[21:03] <debkad> RandomNoob: explain more
[21:04] <francesco> #caserta
[21:04] <Guest1750> join #caserta
[21:05] <RandomNoob> debkad: I cant control display brightness with my laptop keys. I cant control it with little package xbacklight. It is not changing. The value is changed but actually No difference it is maximum . My eyes are hurt.
[21:05] <Guest1750> perche non mi fa cambiare stanza?
[21:06] <debkad> RandomNoob: may be you have the same issue as this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/540911/how-to-adjust-screen-brightness-in-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr
[21:07] <RandomNoob> debkad: Thanks
[21:08] <debkad> I hope that will help you :)
[21:11] <lillian> i want to connect and control my laptop, as in if i mouse around and stuff i can see that happening if i vnc in from my phone, for example
[21:11] <lillian> however, i keep getting error messages pertaining to xfce session still running or display already being in use
[21:11] <reisio> only done that with tigervnc
[21:12] <lillian> reisio, pretty easy to deploy? i might just try that
[21:12] <lillian> i've used x11vnc on freebsd
[21:12] <lillian> that was simple
[21:13] <th0r> lillian, so why not use it now?
[21:13] <reisio> tigervnc is easy, yeah
[21:13] <lillian> th0r, because i am not familiar with the ubuntu ecosystem really
[21:14] <lillian> and wanted input because i find some differences confusing
[21:14] <lillian> i'll try that out reisio
[21:23] <Smn_> guys, I every time i reboot my color profiles goes back to default, is there any way to avoid this?
[21:24] <lillian> i got it working :3
[21:24] <lillian> i wonder what the command to get it to log into the current session is hrm
[21:24] <uks> I'd save settings in a file, and then add a line to apply these settings after each restart
[21:30] <proshady> hello
[21:32] <jesperson> Hey guys, I'm having a really weird problem.. I can't click on certain applications but not all the time... I can not see any reason why this would be the case - could someone help me?
[21:33] <tgm4883> jesperson: mouse battery running low?
[21:34] <jesperson> Wired mouse
[21:34] <r00t_> hello
[21:34] <r00t_> will anyone help me?
[21:35] <r00t_> NVIDIA will not
[21:35] <jesperson> tgm4883, and my mouse can always move - just not always click
[21:35] <r00t_> I bought a GT730 because my GTX550 stopped working
[21:35] <r00t_> I have 32 bit ubuntu install
[21:35] <r00t_> I installed the latest 32 bit driver
[21:35] <r00t_> it did not work
[21:35] <r00t_> I get a black screen
[21:35] <r00t_> WHAT THE FUK!!!!
[21:35] <r00t_> WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK!!!
[21:36] <r00t_> this has never happend
[21:36] <pwca> hi, I am watching Netflix in Google Chrome on Ubuntu. quality is bad. how do I improve?
[21:36] <r00t_> nvidia always works
[21:36] <tgm4883> !ohmy | r00t_
[21:36] <r00t_> tgm4883: can you help me?
[21:36] <pwca> there was a shortcut I used in the past, but it doesn't work anymore.
[21:36] <r00t_> tgm4883: ??????
[21:36] <jesperson> r00t_, Did you install it properly? No error messages?
[21:36] <tgm4883> r00t_: chill out
[21:36] <r00t_> correct
[21:36] <r00t_> no error messages
[21:36] <tgm4883> r00t_: how did you install the driver
[21:36] <r00t_> just run the installer with X0rg shut down
[21:37] <jesperson> r00t_, do you have the driver as an option in the additional drivers section?
[21:37] <pwca> tgm4883: I think the shortcut was CTRL + ALT + SHIFT + C.
[21:37] <r00t_> chmod 755 NVIDIA363blablabla.run
[21:37] <pwca> tgm4883: maybe it was the buffering settings?
[21:37] <tgm4883> r00t_: why not use the built in driver utility
[21:37] <r00t_>  ./Nvidia363blablabla.run
[21:37] <r00t_> tgm4883: I have always just used nvidia
[21:37] <r00t_> and I have an old ubuntu
[21:37] <r00t_> from 2012
[21:37] <tgm4883> r00t_: what version?
[21:38] <r00t_> I don't know, what file would I look at?
[21:38] <r00t_>  /var/version?
[21:38] <r00t_> * /etc/version
[21:38] <bindi> r00t: lsb_release -a
[21:38] <r00t_> bindi: black screen
[21:38] <r00t_> that won't help me
[21:38] <pwca> bindi: my version is 15.04.
[21:38] <jesperson> tgm4883, do you have any idea as to what my problem could be?
[21:38] <r00t_> I need to look at a file
[21:38] <tgm4883> r00t_: how can you look at a file if you have a black screen?
[21:39] <r00t_> I cannot do anything as the X driver won't work and CTRL+1,2,3 doesn't wor either
[21:39] <tgm4883> r00t_: you mean, ctrl+F1 ?
[21:39] <r00t_> tgm4883: booting the disc via rescue
[21:39] <r00t_> live cd
[21:39] <r00t_> doesn't use nvidia drivers, uses vesa
[21:39] <r00t_> so no black screen
[21:39] <r00t_> tgm4883: yes: with nvidia drivers even the consoles don't work
[21:40] <r00t_> black everything
[21:40] <tgm4883> r00t_: don't use a live CD, boot into recovery from grub
[21:40] <tgm4883> jesperson: sorry I don't, unless. Do you have a headset plugged in?
[21:40] <tgm4883> jesperson: I had a similiar issues with a plantronics usb headset
[21:40] <pwca> oh, the shortcut was CTRL + ALT + SHIFT + S.
[21:41] <jesperson> I have a headset plugged in, a corsair void but I've added a section in the xorg file to disable the headset as an inputdevice
[21:41] <pwca> thanks for nothing, tgm4883.
[21:41] <jesperson> pwca, lol - so passive-aggressive
[21:41] <tgm4883> pwca: I don't think I was ever trying to help you...
[21:41] <pwca> exactly.
[21:42] <pwca> I wish I was popular like r00t_.
[21:42] <tgm4883> pwca: now that you have that fixed, maybe take a long walk off a short pier
[21:42] <r00t_> 8.04.4 LTS
[21:42] <bindi> r00t_: wtf?
[21:42] <r00t_> tgm4883: Ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS
[21:42] <bindi> back up your files and install 16.04
[21:42] <tgm4883> r00t_: omg, that's from 2008, not 2012
[21:43] <jesperson> r00t_, Why are you using such an incredibly outdated version?
[21:43] <pwca> maybe he's into cyberpunk.
[21:43] <r00t_> 32 bit support for the opensource videogame I contribute to
[21:43] <tgm4883> r00t_: I wouldn't be surprised if the driver you installed doesn't support what you have installed
[21:43] <tgm4883> r00t_: um, there is 32-bit versions of newer releases
[21:43] <jesperson> tgm4883, +1
[21:44] <r00t_> well I am happy with the release I have on that computer
[21:44] <r00t_> so I have to sue Nvidia?
[21:44] <bindi> enjoy your black screen
[21:44] <tgm4883> r00t_: i don't mean to argue, but it's currently showing only a black screen, so maybe you aren't entirely happy with it
[21:44] <r00t_> bindi: I'll be admitted to the bar soon
[21:44] <OerHeks> r00t_, you are not happy, lolz.
[21:44] <jesperson> r00t_, Couldn't you check if your version of ubuntu is supported by the driver?
[21:44] <r00t_> so are you saying I have to sue Nvidia in a class action?
[21:45] <bindi> yes
[21:45] <jesperson> r00t_, Literally no one is saying that
[21:45] <r00t_> I was happy until my 550TI broke for no reason
[21:45] <bindi> that is exactly what you are going to have to do
[21:45] <jesperson> except now, bindi
[21:45] <bindi> glad to have helped you
[21:45] <r00t_> bindi: it will only cost me 200 dollars to file the federal suit
[21:45] <debkad> oh old
[21:45] <bindi> nice, that's nothing - ubuntu is free after all HEH
[21:45] <r00t_> unlike you who has to pay attornies fees
[21:45] <jesperson> r00t_, one you are never going to win?
[21:45] <tgm4883> lets all stay on topic please
[21:45] <r00t_> jesperson: it's called practice
[21:46] <r00t_> and why do you think I won't win?
[21:46] <jesperson> r00t_, are you sure? it seems like an idiotic move
[21:46] <jesperson> r00t_, because you have no case
[21:46] <r00t_> this product is not fit for it's intended purpouse
[21:46] <OerHeks> totally going offtopic, come back when you have a supported ubuntu version, r00t_
[21:46] <r00t_> I have a warantee case
[21:46] <r00t_> under the UCC
[21:46] <jesperson> r00t_, good luck with that then
[21:46] <r00t_> jesperson: you a lawyer?
[21:47] <jesperson> r00t_, I'm not - nor do I have to be one to have an opinion
[21:47] <r00t_> obviously not, lay idiots say "you don't have a case"
[21:47] <jesperson> nor would I believe you if you where to state to be one
[21:47] <r00t_> lawyers know there is almost ALWAYS a case
[21:47] <r00t_> jesperson: as I said: I'm not one yet
[21:47] <tgm4883> jesperson: r00t_ stop
[21:47] <r00t_> hairs breath away tho
[21:48] <jesperson> tgm4883, I tried with saying good luck... Do you have any idea how I could proceed with my problem?
[21:48] <debkad> root-: as you use old release from ubuntu , why you don't switch to something new ( 14.04, 16.04/10 LTS ) ?
[21:48] <r00t_> tgm4883: is there anyway to get this working without suing Nvidia and making them add support?
[21:48] <jesperson> tgm4883, It doesn't seem to start right away when I start my computer but it just happens randomly after a while
[21:48] <tgm4883> jesperson: any other usb devices plugged in? Anything in dmesg when it stops responding?
[21:49] <r00t_> debkad: because then my binaries would only run on brand new linuxes
[21:49] <tgm4883> r00t_: update to a supported version and use the built in driver tool
[21:49] <r00t_> tgm4883: no
[21:49] <tgm4883> r00t_: then you're done here
[21:49] <r00t_> tgm4883: want to be sued?
[21:49] <jesperson> tgm4883, I think I might know what the problem might be
[21:49] <r00t_> keep running your mouth
[21:49] <tgm4883> r00t_: for?
[21:49] <jesperson> r00t_, lol - such a troll
[21:49] <debkad> oh
[21:50] <debkad> that was fun
[21:50] <r00t_> tgm4883: we'll find out if your warantee disclaimer has any effect
[21:50] <r00t_> most do not.
[21:50] <tgm4883> r00t_: this is all off topic for this channel
[21:50] <jesperson> tgm4883, I thought I knew what was wrong but it wasn't my xbox controller wireless device...
[21:51] <r00t_> tgm4883: why is it that this would only give a black screen?
[21:51] <r00t_> using nvidias driver
[21:51] <r00t_> technically why, for years and years it always worked
[21:51] <r00t_> what is incompatable now?
[21:51] <tgm4883> r00t_: could be lots of reasons 1) You installed the wrong version of nvidia's driver 2) nvidia's driver requires a minimum version of something that you don't have installed, etc
[21:51] <debkad> r00t_: hard to know without seen the logs
[21:52] <kostkon> r00t_, myriads of reasons on such an old release. we are not willing to make the effort to find out why
[21:52] <OerHeks> please no logs..
[21:52] <debkad> yeah :D
[21:52] <r00t_> debkad: what's the earliest nvidia driver that supports gt730?
[21:53] <debkad> r00t_: no clue on nvidia stuff
[21:54] <tgm4883> r00t_: nvidia suggests 367 for that card
[21:55] <r00t_> tgm4883: I have 367.57 installed
[21:56] <r00t_> tgm4883: is there any place I can talk to an NVidia linux tech?
[21:56] <r00t_> (I assume they have them since they put out drivers)
[21:56] <tgm4883> r00t_: have you tried http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/graphics_card/
[21:56] <kostkon> r00t_, probably the kernel is too old, or X or libc or or...
[21:57] <tgm4883> r00t_: or looked through http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/367.57/README/index.html
[21:57] <digitalvaldosta> Anyone have any ideas how to get my wallpaper to span? I am using GNOME Shell 3.18.5.  How can I get the option to span? GNOME Shell 3.18.5 doesn't give that option for some reason
[21:59] <r00t_> tgm4883: ty, I'll see what versions I have
[21:59] <jesperson> tgm4883, I just pulled the USB out for the xbox controller wireless thing but it didn't help.. I'm thinking I might need to restart or relog
[22:00] <tgm4883> jesperson: worth a shot
[22:01] <digitalvaldosta> Dual monitor wallpaper in GNOME Shell 3.18.5?
[22:01] <TeKKiE> digitalvaldosta: x-unity tweak tool
[22:01] <TeKKiE> search tweak tool in software center
[22:01] <digitalvaldosta> TeKKiE I'll look. Seems like it shouldn't be this difficult. lol
[22:02] <TeKKiE> Tweak tool works great.
[22:04] <digitalvaldosta> TeKKiE ... it says "this tool is applicable to Ubuntu's default desktop environment only". I am using the Gnome Shell desktop
[22:04] <digitalvaldosta> Thanks anyway
[22:04] <TeKKiE> Funny, I'm using gnome...
[22:05] <digitalvaldosta> hmmm... I guess I could try. What could happen. lol
[22:05] <r00t_> tgm4883: my glibc isn't new enough, everything else is new enough
[22:05] <TeKKiE> http://i.imgur.com/BSQ6FKO.png
[22:06] <tgm4883> r00t_: glibc is kinda important
[22:06] <r00t_> except libvdpau *** which I don't have
[22:06] <jesperson> tgm4883, Now I've restarted and changed my window-manager. Let's hope for difference..
[22:07] <r00t_> wait, glibc is over version 2, so that's fine too
[22:07] <r00t_> ldd --version
[22:07] <r00t_> ldd (GNU libc) 2.7
[22:08] <r00t_> tgm4883: so everything is at or above the required versions
[22:08] <r00t_> except libvdpau which doesn't exist
[22:08] <r00t_> and was never needed before
[22:08] <tgm4883> r00t_: so then not everything then
[22:08] <r00t_> and the installer didn't complain about
[22:08] <r00t_> how do I get libvdpau?
[22:09] <tgm4883> r00t_: IDK, either compile it or upgrade?
[22:09] <maret> Hi everyone why isnt 4.4.0-43 kernel the default one in 16.10 and how I can make it default? (it fixes one extra annoying bug for me)
[22:09] <tgm4883> maret: well for starters, that's an older version that what is in 16.10
[22:10] <MonkeyDust> maret  skip the 'why' part, stick to the 'how' part in this channel
[22:10] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic
[22:10] <nacc> maret: 16.10 ships with 4.8.x
[22:11] <maret> nacc ou welli completelly miss that I just notice higher version at the end, ok anyway I will have make the older one then the default because I have serious bug the new one
[22:12] <tgm4883> maret: what bug
[22:12] <maret> tgm4883: second monitor has glitches pixels turning on and off cosntantly, monitor blacks out for few seconds  then comes on again. No problem with 4.4.0-43
[22:13] <r00t_> tgm4883: ok I compiled and installed libvdpau
[22:13] <r00t_>  less /usr/local/lib/libvdpau
[22:13] <r00t_> libvdpau.la        libvdpau.so.1      libvdpau_trace.la
[22:13] <r00t_> libvdpau.so        libvdpau.so.1.0.0  libvdpau_trace.so
[22:13] <r00t_>
[22:14] <r00t_> tgm4883: should I rerun the install for the drivers?
[22:14] <tgm4883> r00t_: Honestly, I'd just upgrade. You're far outside the scope of this channel
[22:15] <digitalvaldosta> TeKKiE, I installed Unity Tweak Tool and have it open. I, however, don't see a setting option for the wallpaper/background.
[22:16] <TeKKiE> digitalvaldosta: click desktop
[22:16] <TeKKiE> Background mode: change to spanned
[22:16] <TeKKiE> select your wallpaper
[22:16] <TeKKiE> do same for lock screen if you wish
[22:17] <TeKKiE> Oh shoot, I told you the wrong tweak tool :(
[22:17] <digitalvaldosta> TeKKiE I have "Desktop Icons" but not "Desktop".
[22:17] <digitalvaldosta> oh
[22:18] <TeKKiE> digitalvaldosta: uninstall Unity Tweak Tool, and install GNOME tweak tool.
[22:18] <TeKKiE> heh, sorry
[22:18] <digitalvaldosta> gotcha
[22:18] <TeKKiE> https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/GnomeTweakTool?action=show&redirect=GnomeTweakTool
[22:19] <digitalvaldosta> I saw that one, but figured I'd give this one a try first.l
[22:19] <TeKKiE> Yeah it's still early here. Only on my first cup of coffee
[22:19] <digitalvaldosta> Ah I understand. 6PM EST here
[22:20] <r00t_> tgm4883: black screen anyway
[22:20] <TeKKiE> 7AM Saturday :)
[22:20] <r00t_> tgm4883: what logs do I have to look at
[22:20] <r00t_> according to the thing I have all the required versions now
[22:20] <tgm4883> r00t_: you'll need to chat with nvidia support to see what's up then
[22:20] <mate_> quit
[22:21] <r00t_> tgm4883: where is nvidia support?
[22:21] <tgm4883> r00t_: http://www.nvidia.com/object/support.html
[22:21] <digitalvaldosta> TeKKiE, it worked! ^ _ ^
[22:21] <TeKKiE> Cool beans.
[22:21] <digitalvaldosta> Thanks
[22:21] <TeKKiE> No worries
[22:22] <digitalvaldosta> I see what you mean. This has a ton of options.
[22:22] <digitalvaldosta> Have a great Saturday, TeKKiE
[22:23] <TeKKiE> Have a good night :)
[22:23] <digitalvaldosta> My wife says "cool beans" lol.
[22:23] <TeKKiE> lol
[22:24] <TeKKiE> Mine says "Get off that damned computer!!!"
[22:24] <TeKKiE> haha
[22:24] <digitalvaldosta> Mine too.
[22:30] <r00t_> tgm4883: what logs do I have to look at
[22:30] <r00t_>
[22:30] <tgm4883> r00t_: IDK, xorg, maybe the installer log for your driver
[22:34] <marcelomauro> Hello, I have a problem with my ubuntu xenial. I noticed some days ago that a abnormal activity happens on my disk. So, there are a continuous loop creation of a file called atril-thumbnailer inside /tmp directory.
[22:35] <marcelomauro> In about 1 hours is suffisant to be created thousands of files like this
[22:37] <Bashing-om> !info atril xanial
[22:37] <Bashing-om> !info atril xenial
[22:38] <marcelomauro> When I start the system it stops in a message: "a start job is running for create volatile files...)
[22:39] <Bashing-om> marcelomauro: A thought ,, is atril in a startup process somewhere ?
[22:41] <marcelomauro> Bashing-om, I just dont know. Everything start to happen two days ago
[22:41] <marcelomauro> and my system gets slowly
[22:42] <marcelomauro> I would to know if I need o reinstall the system
[22:43] <Bashing-om> marcelomauro: Maybe read through the boot log - journalctl -b -0 - see if there is a hint of where atril is getting started ??
[22:44] <Bashing-om> marcelomauro: So far all we are looking at is re-configure atril .
[22:45]  * emil__
[22:47] <eu__> Hi all. I have installed Ubuntu Mate 16.10, AppArmor 2.10.95-4ubuntu5.1, QEMU emulator version 2.6.1, libvirtd (libvirt) 2.1.0. I'm create shared directory with virt-manager and successfully mount it inside guest. But i cannot nor write nor `ls' inside it. How to fix it?
[22:49] <marcelomauro> but I'm afraid that everything comes back before that
[22:51] <marcelomauro> Bashing-om, See: A lot of lines like this: Out 28 19:49:49 mach1 kernel: traps: atril-thumbnail[8084] general protection ip:7f2018d6ab2c sp:7ffcf78728c0 error:0 in libcairo.so.2.11400.6[7f2018d33000+10e000]
[22:51] <marcelomauro> Out 28 19:49:49 mach1 kernel: traps: atril-thumbnail[8093] general protection ip:7f529d83fb2c sp:7ffd8ff464e0 error:0 in libcairo.so.2.11400.6[7f529d808000+10e000]
[22:52] <marcelomauro> What do I have to do?
[22:53] <Bashing-om> marcelomauro: I do not know what to advise as I do not know how atril is started .
[22:53] <tomreyn> eu__: maybe it is mounted write protected?
[22:54] <tomreyn> eu__: into the VM, that is
[22:54] <tomreyn> oh wait you can't ls either
[22:54] <kicksled> eu__: sounds like issues with permissions. make sure the user runnning the qemu process has RW access to the files shared
[22:55] <marcelomauro> Bashing-om, Can I stop this process or remove this aplication?
[22:56] <eu__> in /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt/*.files i can see string '"/tmp/share/" r,'
[22:56] <eu__> @kicksled, @tomreyn does it matter?
[22:57] <kicksled> eu__: you could try the steps descrbied here to see if you get it sorted http://askubuntu.com/a/822309
[22:57] <Bashing-om> marcelomauro: I do not think you can remove it until you stop the process . what returns ' ps -e | grep atril ' ; As a place to start hunting .
[22:58] <eu__> @kicksled it's apparmor!
[22:58] <eu__> @kicksled after service was stopped,  i can ls and touch in share
[22:59] <marcelomauro> Bashing-om, It shows this: 13744 ?        00:00:00 atril-thumbnail
[23:00] <eu__> @kicksled thx
[23:15] <Sven_vB> how can my cron job guess a suitable DISPLAY environment variable to show its message on my current X session? I used to snoop on xfce4-panel's environment with ps, but now ps reports just a dash for all my processes.
[23:18] <th0r> Sven_vB, the environment variable DISPLAY ?
[23:18] <Sven_vB> th0r, yes
[23:18] <Sven_vB> oh, I meant to guess a suitable value for it
[23:19] <th0r> Sven_vB, echo $DISPLAY should show the current display
[23:19] <Sven_vB> yeah, from within my X session, that works. cron jobs however don't have that set.
[23:19] <Sven_vB> that's why in the past I spied on panel's environment
[23:20] <tgm4883> Sven_vB: what kind of message?
[23:20] <Sven_vB> tgm4883, gxmessage. or any other graphical program I'd like to start.
[23:21] <Sven_vB> oh actually the cron job also needs to check wmctrl's window list first, to decide whether to show the message
[23:22] <tgm4883> Sven_vB: oh, I was going to suggest you use the built in notification stuff but it sounds like that won't work for you
[23:24] <mark__> Anyone know what the LXDE default Debian theme is as would love to have that theme in Lubuntu
[23:27] <R13ose> How do I upgrade my graphic card drivers?
[23:33] <LVLAaron> Gents, is the latest desktop ubuntu friendly with a radeon r9 200 series?
[23:34] <sarek> https://goo.gl/vBpaQM
[23:34] <Bashing-om> mariogrip: We can try this, if ya willing. activate a terminal ' ctl+alt+t ' kill the atril process ' sudo kill 13744 ; sudo apt purge atril ' . reboot and see now if atril starts back up (??) .
[23:37] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Generally on linux you do not upgrade drivers - this ain't Windows - as the kernel takes care of that . But what graphic's set(s) are you running ' lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' ' ?
[23:37] <marco_> hi
[23:37] <ikonia> sarek: we don't need/want that sort of post, thanks
[23:38] <Tex_Nick> LVLAaron: see if this helps ... http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx
[23:38] <R13ose> Bashing-om: thanks.  http://pastebin.com/kMgKdhxr
[23:39] <sarek> Thank you ambassador ikonia
[23:39] <ikonia> no problem
[23:39] <LVLAaron> yeah, but does it work?
[23:39] <LVLAaron> Installing a driver doesn't = works very well
[23:42] <Bashing-om> R13ose: That shows Intel as the driver, and the i915 driver. Intel provides the driver in the kernel. there should be nothing else you can or should do . Is there a present issue ??
[23:42] <R13ose> Bashing-om: yes there is.
[23:44] <R13ose> In KDE, this is not redrawing, firefox, chromium tabs, and plank dock icons sometimes.  When I have tabs open then move one to the other or even scroll down, I need to go to another window before that loads. Any ideas?
[23:44] <DEFCODE> hello guys
[23:44] <DEFCODE> :)
[23:45] <DEFCODE> so i have one problem with my driver of intel, im have intel hd 4000 and my os not detecting that
[23:45] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Seems a desktop issue .. I do not use or know KDE. perhaps others here can offer an opinion .
[23:46] <R13ose> Bashing-om: I am in here because KDE is not giving me any answers
[23:47] <Bashing-om> R13ose: K; To be here to ask is OK .. but I just have no familiarity with KDE, others here perhaps ?
[23:48] <Bashing-om> DEFCODE: What leads you to think the Intel driver is not loading ?
[23:49] <DEFCODE> @bashing-om Yep, that not loading.
[23:50] <R13ose> Bashing-om: everyone says this is the graphic card and not the desktop
[23:51] <Bashing-om> DEFCODE: Show in a pastebin ' sudo lshw -C display ' please .
[23:52] <DEFCODE> https://i.imgsafe.org/3e49b5ff0a.png
[23:52] <Ben64> picture of text??
[23:52] <Bashing-om> R13ose: K well . One can read what X think's ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log ' But the system shows the driver loaded .
[23:53] <DEFCODE> http://pastebin.com/iS7p4ujF
[23:53] <DEFCODE> its a text of sudo...
[23:54] <R13ose> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/NPb6pteD
[23:58] <DEFCODE> NITROB: ARE U HERE?


[00:25] <neildugan> to monitor ecc errors I have read that the edac module needs to be loaded... I have install edac-utils but it doesn't seem to be working... I expect there should be something in lsmod.. but I don't
[00:26] <sarnold> neildugan: I've got sb_edac loaded on my machine with ecc
[00:27] <sarnold> neildugan: I think the rasdaemon package ought to be able to help; I'm less sure about edac-utils, this is the first I'm hearing it :)
[00:36] <neildugan> sarnold, the edac is meant to be trace ecc memory errors.
[01:07] <neildugan> to monitor ecc errors I have read that the edac module needs to be loaded... I have install edac-utils but it doesn't seem to be working... the command 'dmesg |grep -i EDAC' returns just one line '[    0.146691] EDAC MC: Ver: 3.0.0' nothing for the any hardware
[02:21] <neildugan> to monitor ecc errors I have read that the edac module needs to be loaded... I have install edac-utils but it doesn't seem to be working... the command 'dmesg |grep -i EDAC' returns just one line '[    0.146691] EDAC MC: Ver: 3.0.0' nothing for any hardware ... I have a 'i3-6100 CPU' ... is there a special package for this processor?
[02:23] <sarnold> neildugan: have you had any luck installing the rasdaemon package?
[02:32] <neildugan> sarnold, yes I have it runing in the foreground atm
[02:34] <sarnold> neildugan: what's the output of ras-mc-ctl --status ; ras-mc-ctl --summary   ?
[02:41] <neildugan> sarnold, "ras-mc-ctl: drivers not loaded." "No Memory errors." "No PCIe AER errors." "No Extlog errors." "No MCE errors."
[02:42] <sarnold> neildugan: darn :( I was really hoping that having rasdaemon running would be enough to load all the necessary drivers. I don't get it. :(
[02:48] <neildugan> sarnold, I just double checked the processor does support ecc memory, and the memory is listed at 72bit wide.
[06:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[18:58] <axisys> is there a site where I can see all the improvement made on 18.04 over 14.04 (eol) ?
[18:58] <axisys> for server
[18:59] <sarnold> axisys: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes aren't a bad starting point
[19:02] <ahasenack> ...and a new haproxy is out
[19:02] <ahasenack> they certainly like their point releases
[19:03] <axisys> sarnold: thanks
[21:07] <lastebill1> I'm running ubuntu server 18 lts, and I just can't find where the owncloud stores it files.  According to google and even the config file it should be in var/www/owncloud/data, but it just isn't there.  I should have about 60 gigabytes of data there. I'm able to access them through the owncloud app or whatever, but even seaching the root, It only r
[21:07] <lastebill1> eports like 16 gigas being used.  Are the files hidden or something?
[21:19] <ncuxo> Hello everybody
[21:20] <ncuxo> I'm trying to install ubuntu on my server but it doesn't recognize my drives?
[21:21] <ncuxo> the LEDs on the front are all and the drives are new
[21:21] <ncuxo> *all on
[21:53] <sarnold> lastebill1: how did you install owncloud?
[21:56] <lastebill1> sarnold unfortunately I don't quite remember.  It was like a year ago, and apart from using it I haven't really messed with it.  It landed me an outdated version of owncloud though.   So short answear is I don't really remember :(
[21:59] <lastebill1> I think it might be under var/www/html/owncloud
[22:00] <lastebill1> but I need root access to access it
[22:00] <sarnold> lastebill1: it's quite likely you would need root privs, yet
[22:00] <sarnold> yes
[22:01] <lastebill1> sarnold I'd prefear using grapical tools, is there an easy way to use the file browser as root?
[22:01] <sarnold> n o
[22:01] <sarnold> no, sorry
[22:01] <sarnold> I moved my keyboard halves around and now I can't type
[22:01] <lastebill1> sarnold ok, thank you
[22:02] <sarnold> I think one or another of the file managers may have some polkit integration to let you perform some operations as root
[22:02] <sarnold> but actually running the thing entirely as root is way more trouble than it's worth
[23:25] <circ-user-PrMIS> ACPI BIOS Warning (bug): 32/64X length mismatch in FADT/Gpe0Block
[23:25] <circ-user-PrMIS> I cannot boot my server after a reboot
[23:25] <circ-user-PrMIS> How do I fix this shit lol.
[23:26] <circ-user-PrMIS> Hp proliant G7 N54L
[23:29] <circ-user-PrMIS> nvm
[23:29] <circ-user-PrMIS> got it
[23:31] <compdoc> yw
[23:41] <sarnold> what was it? :)


[17:09] <naama_> hello everyone!
[17:50] <naama_> someone know how to install python 3.0 dev on ubuntu 12.04?