[20:10] <phillw> hi bug people... as ever.. one 0f my bugs went private got joined to another and I can no longer see it.... anyone about ?
[20:10] <phillw> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1278062 ***
[20:10] <phillw>     https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1278062
[20:11] <phillw> ohh... my bug report is bug 1283169
[20:11] <ubot2> phillw: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1283169 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1283169). The error has been logged
[20:17] <phillw> he he... never a bug guy about when you need one :D
[20:41] <Noskcaj> phillw, I'll look at it. Let me know if you ever need more bug stuff
[20:43] <phillw> hi Noskcaj... just need bug admin too oversee that
[20:43] <Noskcaj> phillw, Could you triage your bug yourself (check it's ok to be public), i'll look through the original bug
[20:43]  * Noskcaj = bug admin
[20:44] <phillw> Noskcaj: once a bug is kidnapped, i cannnot review it
[20:48] <phillw> Noskcaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1283169 seems still open, just having a read of it
[20:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1278062 in firefox (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1283169 firefox crashes on startup (but apparently layunched properly to enable me to post this)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[20:50] <phillw> yup bug seems back to public (the bots have stripped out the personal stuff) :)
[20:52] <phillw> I've left my details with mozilla if they want to conact me, other than that... it's either a massive ubuntu mess up with language packs, or it is a mozzila one.
[21:06] <phillw> Noskcaj: i need  a bug team admin for this... And I'm sure bdmurray is having a break from such issues as firefox in 14.04 deciding to die.... i may need to pop over to #ubuntu+1 I await their instructions
[21:06] <Noskcaj> ok
[21:07] <phillw> Noskcaj: I'm pretty decent at bugs... but I need help on this one as it affects 14.04 releases for testing, so it may well me a #ubuntu+1 issue
[21:08] <Noskcaj> ok
[21:08] <phillw> /me/be
[21:09] <phillw> Noskcaj: and, of course, no one wants to take ownership of a firefox bug!


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[01:32] <elky> where's idoru?
[01:33] <IdleOne> idoru hasn't been in #ubuntu in over a year
[01:33] <IdleOne> remember we pulled it?
[01:37] <IdleOne> yano: thanks for helping :)
[01:37] <yano> i only +r'ed the channel
[01:37] <yano> i don't think it really helped
[01:38] <IdleOne> well, umm. I take it back then. You suck :P
[01:38] <yano> i was going to start banning people but the floodbots flooded the channel :-P
[01:38] <yano> lol
[01:39]  * yano waves to CarlFK
[01:39] <CarlFK> hi!
[01:40] <yano> aww, hrm
[01:40] <IdleOne> yano: can you take care of them please ?
[01:40] <yano> CarlFK: are you the same CarlFK from that one small obscure python channel?
[01:40] <yano> IdleOne: in #ubuntu?
[01:40]  * yano peeks back in
[01:40] <IdleOne> yes
[01:40] <IdleOne> I set +m
[01:41] <yano> hm, yea it seems that aren't registered
[01:41] <yano> so +r should work
[01:41] <yano> or +q $~a
[01:41] <CarlFK> yano: likely..  but one small obscure python channel ... I bet there is more than one
[01:42] <yano> CarlFK: were you in ohio last weekend? :D
[01:42] <yano> (#pyohio)
[01:42] <CarlFK> yep.
[01:42] <yano> \o/
[01:42] <yano> i presented the 101 tutorial
[01:44] <elky> IdleOne: i don't remember it, i've not really paid attention to ops stuff in like a year other than to lart people when needed
[01:44] <CarlFK> yano: check you email damm it :)
[01:45]  * yano checks
[01:45] <IdleOne> elky: yeah at one point we had some problems with false klines in #ubuntu and we asked for it to be removed. I think the bot has been upgraded since. might be worth giving it a test run again?
[01:45] <elky> right now, a few false klines may be better than this
[01:45] <IdleOne> true
[01:46] <elky> but i guess it'll take a while to get the powers that be to decide
[01:47] <IdleOne> I'm thinking crowd funding!
[01:55] <IdleOne> this is getting tiresome
[02:02] <IdleOne> accidentally banned milos_sd ban will be removed in a minute
[05:29] <Myrtti> bots again? I'm on my mobile :-(
[05:30] <Unit193> Nah, ubot93 is standing in for ubottu.
[05:30] <Unit193> !owner
[05:31] <Unit193> (There were some nice flooding/ddosing bots a couple hours back, but that's over.)
[05:31] <Myrtti> no I mean an actual flooder
[05:32] <Myrtti> Yeah that
[05:33] <Unit193> Whoop, wrong channel, sorry about that.
[06:52] <tsimpson_> I'm bringing back the bots now
[06:52] <Unit193> Yep, removing mine too.
[07:57] <elky> so what have we been doing for these things? kickban?
[07:58] <Pricey> What have they been doing?
[07:58] <Pricey> Apart from the entrymsg..
[07:58] <Myrtti> pricey, see abpout 0230 uk time last night
[07:59] <Pricey> This? < ~Byron_Bo> UDP Flood started on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ with 100 threads.
[07:59] <elky> yeah, that the entry message and one other iirc
[07:59] <Myrtti> yup, en masse
[08:00] <Unit193> And the dude saying http:100|ubuntuforums.org
[08:00] <Pricey> Ahh I see that now.
[08:00] <Pricey> Smallest. Botnet. Ever.
[08:00] <Myrtti> idoru deals with them elsewhere, we dont have idoru
[08:00] <Pricey> Albert_Zlatan seems quiet.
[08:04] <elky> Oh ok. I wasn't aware we had the "only small botnets allowed" rule implemented.
[08:10] <Pricey> Yep, new channel mode.
[08:11] <IdleOne> I haven't read the new rules about botnet sizes and channel modes
[08:11] <Pricey> Pretty sure we blogged about it.
[08:11] <IdleOne> Do these rules also allow botnets to spam channels ?
[08:13] <Flannel> IdleOne: only one can at a time.
[08:13] <IdleOne> I see. I'll remove the 10 or so bans I set
[08:15] <Flannel> IdleOne: it's ok.  You're not a certified abusive operator until you erroneously ban 15 spammers.
[08:15] <Flannel> IdleOne: But if you put your mind to it, I know you'll be able to achieve it one day.
[08:15] <IdleOne> I appreciate your confidence in me and I hope to one day live up to expectations
[08:18] <DJones> Is it normal to see about 15-20 irccloud users join in the space of 2-3 minutes without seeing a similar number of quites a short time earlier (it was just after 9am so could well just be people starting work or getting up)
[08:21] <Pricey> DJones: They dropped ~2 hours ago.
[08:22] <DJones> Pricey: Thanks, I didn't look that far back, I thought it probably was something like that
[08:22] <Pricey> DJones: "irccloud" :P
[08:23] <Pricey> (Joint answer & reasoning for any questions about its behaviour.)
[08:34] <elky> irccloud users seem to be better behaved than other gateways anyway
[09:53] <DJones> Incoming trolls in #u using Ubuntus for fags nicks
[09:54] <DJones> Mass join
[09:57] <DJones> That was a quicker way k1l
[09:57] <k1l> yeah, they had different ips in the end
[10:00] <DJones> k1l: Have you seen Ben64's comments, looks like the're back under random nicks/idents now
[10:00] <k1l> nope. have to deal with uzer in pm :/
[10:01] <DJones> ok
[10:02] <Myrtti> well that was neat
[10:03] <DJones> Definate troll<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:05] <k1l> it was the same ip like the ones before
[10:07] <DJones> I'm on my way out shopping, won't be around for a bit
[10:24] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu uzer got a real problem with authority. was warned to stick to the rules and not spoil the support channel as a discussion channel
[12:47] <k1l> seems like we have a new spam script running for #ubuntu: Hello everyone, nick and i'm here and ready to DDoS.
[16:39] <Pici> I'm poking staff with the info about those weird DDoS messages
[19:29] <DJones> Another one with the same message<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:30] <DJones> Is this an unexpected comment in #u "mernilio> opps! Im not banned from this channel! Thats refreching... :-)
[19:31] <IdleOne> expect problems from mernilio
[19:31] <Pici> indeed
[19:31] <DJones> Right
[19:33] <DJones> Looking at ban tracker, its pretty much drunken trolling and he's been warned multiple times previously & should know the channel guidelines word for word
[19:33] <IdleOne> I think he helped write them
[19:36] <bazhang> hehe
[20:43] <Myrtti> I think he's done
[20:44] <Myrtti> and so am I it seems
[20:48] <Pici> Myrtti: I poked erry earlier about those DDoS folks, dunno whats going on, or if its happening in other channels.
[20:48] <Myrtti> idoru is getting them elsewhere
[20:49] <DJones> I wonder how long it'll be before the DDos people will run out of ip's
[20:52] <DJones> Are they joining individual channels & spamming, or is the same nick joining multiple channels & spamming, if its multiple channels & idoru is getting them elsewhere with a kline, is it worth just ignoring them
[20:54] <IdleOne> I think we should give idoru another shot in #ubuntu
 does ubuntu use shadowed pw?
[20:59] <Pici> yes
[21:00] <Pici> bazhang: why paste? its a legitimate question.
[21:00] <bazhang> thatts the n00btools guy
[21:00]  * Pici shrugs
[21:00] <bazhang> running debian and using the !danger command
[21:03] <Pici> hopefully mernilio doesn't notice I muted him.
[21:05] <Pici> bazhang: inc
[21:05] <bazhang> not me but ok
[21:06] <Pici> You know more about it that me ;)
[21:06] <bazhang> yep
[21:07] <bazhang> DJones, delivered the telling blow
[21:07] <bazhang> ubottu, random HURD MINT
[21:07] <bazhang> ...


[17:17] <buzzCBSP> hi folks. Im getting an error trying to setup a launchpad dev system for the first time. Im using a fresh Ubuntu server 14.04.1 install on virtualbox. On running rocketfuel-setup it errors (bad config fiile name in Makefile - which Ive temporarily fixed..probably needs to be pushed back to the main repository (with a bug report)...anyway...I now get the following error (mod_rewrite is installed and enabled):
[17:17] <buzzCBSP> AH00526 syntax error on line 4 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/local-launchpad.conf
[17:17] <buzzCBSP> Invalid command 'RewwriteLock'....[snip]
[17:17] <buzzCBSP> Any pointers?


[03:21] <profetik777> test
[03:21] <profetik777> anyone here?
[03:28] <duflu> Nobody in here but us chickens
[03:40] <JMD> lol
[07:35] <dholbach> good morning
[08:15] <om26er> on image 153, i can't enable adb, help ?
[08:32] <jibel> om26er, which device?
[08:45] <om26er> jibel, arale
[08:46] <om26er> jibel, the developer mode switch gets turned on, when I open the developer mode page again, its back to "off"
[08:46] <jibel> om26er, maybe it'll break in a couple of days then :) most recent build on arale is 153
[08:46] <jibel> om26er, which channel?
[08:47] <om26er> jibel, rc-proposed
[08:47] <om26er> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en-proposed
[08:48] <jibel> om26er, why propopoed-porposed? It's a channel for testing custom tarballs
[08:48] <jibel> ouch proposed/-proposed
[08:49] <om26er> jibel, hmm, i have been testing on that channel for a while, which channel do you recommend ?
[08:49] <jibel> om26er, rc-proposed/meizu.en
[08:49] <jibel> om26er, anyway it shouldn't make a difference for adb
[08:54] <jibel> om26er, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Channels
[08:56] <om26er> jibel, thanks
[08:57] <ghwomb_> I've got an Bq Aquaris 5 and been bitten by the No Sound Bug. How can I find out which app that muted my phone? I do get sound through the headphone if it is attached.
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy International Animation Day! 😃
[10:28] <ghwomb_> hello
[10:35] <abeato> pstolowski, hi, how are things going with silo 4? I noticed that there is now just one package not built for vivid
[10:39] <pstolowski> abeato, indeed. i'm on it, will update you soon
[10:41] <abeato> pstolowski, great, thanks
[10:51] <ghwomb_> Does anybody here know how to unmute the sound on my BQ Aquarius 5? I think I muted it with Cut the Rope, but that app has since kind of turned ransomware.
[11:30] <zelle> is there a public searchable/downloadable archive of ubuntu-phone mailing list?
[11:32] <Ghwomb> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/ perhaps?
[11:38] <zelle> Ghwomb, thank you, I know this site. But there I couldn't find a way to do text seach, e.g. to get all mails which have "apt" in their body. Any suggestion? Thank you.
[11:41] <greyback_> zelle: use google: https://www.google.ie/?gws_rd=cr,ssl#q=site:https:%2F%2Flists.launchpad.net%2Fubuntu-phone%2F+apt
[11:41] <Ghwomb> Paste into Google: site:https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/ apt
[11:42] <zelle> greyback_, Ghwomb: Thank you very much!
[11:42] <Ghwomb> You're welcome
[11:54] <john-mcaleely> anyone else seeing adb broken on rc-proposed latest
[11:54] <john-mcaleely> ?
[11:54] <john-mcaleely> jibel, I see it broken on #159 krillin
[11:55] <jibel> john-mcaleely, fresh flash with bootstrap?
[11:55] <john-mcaleely> oh, interesting. with a reboot, the setting has changed to off
[11:55] <john-mcaleely> jibel, yes, fresh flash. Actually with new device tarball, but given what om26er said, I think it's not the device tarball :-)
[11:56] <jibel> john-mcaleely, om26er said it was broken on arale but I didn't reproduce the problem on any device
[11:56] <john-mcaleely> hrm
[11:57] <jibel> there was a new system settings yesterday but it was already on previous image
[11:57] <john-mcaleely> jibel, I will repro on a stock image, then open  a bug
[11:57] <jibel> john-mcaleely, ok
[11:57] <ogra_> what john-mcaleely describes looks more like a backend issue than system-settings though
[11:57] <ogra_> (auto-off after reboot)
[11:58] <john-mcaleely> oh, interesting
[11:58] <jibel> ogra_, yeah but I was checking if a recent landing could have potentially broken this
[11:59] <ogra_> the low level is handled by android-gadget-service ... it proivides a dbus api that system-settings uses
[12:00] <jibel> ogra_, that would be in the device tarball?
[12:00] <popey> I just updated and adb works here...
[12:00] <ogra_> no
[12:01] <ogra_> thats a package in the rootfs
[12:01] <john-mcaleely> maybe you need to fresh flash as well then
[12:01] <john-mcaleely> I --bootstrap
[12:02] <jibel> anyhow just new langpacks and dialer/messaging/contact and ntpdate changed. nothing adb related
[12:03] <ogra_> jibel, it sets a persistent poroperty though ... if that one is broken in the device tarball that can cause havoc
[12:04] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, ^^^
[12:04] <jibel> john-mcaleely, from the ML you're not alone
[12:05] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, just checking on stock device tarball (that's not changed in aaaageees)
[12:06] <jibel> aaaageees being 2 months :)
[12:06] <john-mcaleely> yeah
[12:06] <john-mcaleely> aaaaageees would be 3 months!
[12:06] <ogra_> thats aaages !
[12:06] <ogra_> (is that two weeks ?)
[12:06] <john-mcaleely> possibly
[12:07] <john-mcaleely> might not ever be ages if it's weeks
[12:07] <ogra_> hah
[12:11] <john-mcaleely> confirmed on stock
[12:11] <john-mcaleely> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1510919
[12:15] <john-mcaleely> jibel, ^ :-(
[12:16] <jibel> ack
[12:17] <Ghwomb> Is there anyone who can help me unmute the sound on my BQ Aquaris 5? Cut the Rope and PathWind is unmuted, system reset did not help.
[12:20] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, jibel, not on upgraded systems though
[12:22] <jibel> ogra_, yeah, a bootstrap of krillin and it's broken
[12:22] <ogra_> right
[12:22] <jibel> you don't have too reboot, just close/open system-settings and the setting is gone
[12:23] <john-mcaleely> aha
[12:23] <jibel> to*
[12:23] <john-mcaleely> also broken on 158
[12:24] <ogra_> does /data/property/persist.sys.usb.config exist ?
[12:25] <jibel> john-mcaleely, and since our automated tests flash with dev mode it escaped the tests :(
[12:26] <john-mcaleely> hahahaha. trying to boot to recovery on my broken 158 device, it's auto-installing 159
[12:26] <john-mcaleely> I wonder when we'll fix *that* bug
[12:26] <john-mcaleely> (to see if that file ogra_ is curious about is present)
[12:27] <ogra_> oh, i meant on a running system :)
[12:27] <john-mcaleely> well, that would mean installing terminal...
[12:27] <john-mcaleely> I thought recovery would be easier :-)
[12:27] <ogra_> it should contain "mtp,adb" (no newline at the end)
[12:31] <jibel> john-mcaleely, ogra_ there is this warning in system-settings logs
[12:31] <jibel> 2015-10-28 12:20:55,500 - WARNING - QQmlExpression: Expression file:///usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/about/DevMode.qml:94:30 depends on non-NOTIFYable properties:
[12:31] <jibel> 2015-10-28 12:20:55,501 - WARNING -     StorageAbout::developerMode
[12:32] <jibel> not sure if it means anything
[12:33] <ulrichard> Is there any hope for GPS on the aquaris 4.5?
[12:34] <jibel> john-mcaleely, yeah and no syslog because it's owned by the wrong group again :(
[12:35] <ogra_> ulrichard, works fine here if i disable wlan
[12:36] <ogra_> (using uNAV from the store)
[12:39] <ulrichard> ogra_: seriaously, the Wlan interferes with the GPS antenna? How did you find that out? Trying...
[12:40] <ogra_> ulrichard, no, it doesnt, the phone uses AGPS to find the GPS position faster ...
[12:41] <ogra_> if you move and have WLAN enabled it probably isnt fast enough to get an answer from the AGPS DB to find the position or some such
[12:41] <jibel> john-mcaleely, aha, on another device upgraded to 159 with adb enabled, I cannot *disable* dev mode
[12:41] <ogra_> it isnt an antenna problem, more one with the HERE provider
[12:42] <ogra_> the guy who wrote uNAV found that, wasnt me :)
[12:42] <ogra_> but following his advice gets me a stable GPS here
[12:44] <ulrichard> ogra_ : So maybe my phone has a hardware problem? The following command never returned anything not even on a mountain top:  ubuntu-location-serviced-cli --bus system --get --property visible_space_vehicles
[12:45] <ogra_> ah, thats a tvoss thing ... i havent played much with the location service commandline tools ...
[12:46] <ulrichard> ogra: So far I assumed all aquaris 4.5 GPS were not working, and would be fixed with some future system upgrade...
[12:47] <ogra_> did you agree to the HERE terms and conditions ?
[12:48] <ogra_> it shoudl definitely get your position from wlan if you dont move ... and it should also het a GPS position if there is line-of-sight between you and the sattelites (outdorrs)
[12:48] <popey> Interestingly I see no satellites on my rc-proposed e4.5
[12:48] <popey> but loads on my stable e4.5
[12:49] <ogra_> where it fails is when you move out of range of the WLAN and still have AGPS on
[12:49] <ulrichard> ogra_ : Is that required for the GPS to work? One reason to switch away from android was that I didn't want BigBrother to watch my every step.
[12:49] <ogra_> there is no big brother :)
[12:50] <ogra_> it doesnt send any info about you apart from asking "what sattelites should i be seeing when in range for these wlans"
[12:50] <ogra_> and with the returned data it will only query these specific satellites, so it connects a lot faster
[12:51] <ogra_> if you disable HERE/AGPS you should still get a GPS fix after the usual 15-30 min
[12:51] <ulrichard> ogra_ : So how does it not send the info about the WLAN's in rage?
[12:51] <ogra_> (if you are outdoors or close to a window)
[12:51] <ogra_> it does send that info ... but no other info
[12:52] <ogra_> nobody could guess from whom the request comes
[12:52] <ogra_> (at least not without additional data that you would have to provide yourself)
[13:02] <ogra_> jibel, werll, do you see the contents of /data/property/persist.sys.usb.config change when you toggle the switch ?
[13:10] <jgdx> jibel, ogra_: not seeing this on rc-proposed r272 on Mako.
[13:12] <ogra_> jgdx, seems to only happen when you do a --bootstrap install
[13:12] <jgdx> okay
[13:19] <jibel> ogra_, it's a problem with the port of system-settings to uitk 1.3
[13:19] <ogra_> yeah
[13:20] <ogra_> well, or the missing port of android-gadget-service to some new dbus model
[13:20] <ogra_> could be either side thats broken :)
[13:47] <balloons> Elleo, hey, I didn't ping you back the link yesterday, sorry about that. Here's the session and day/time slot. Let me know if it all looks good. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22608/game-development-for-the-ubuntu-phone/
[13:49] <Elleo> balloons: yep, looks good :)
[14:02] <Elleo> kenvandine: are there any instructions on packaging apps for use via libertine?
[14:03] <kenvandine> Elleo, libertine apps are just debs from the archive
[14:03] <kenvandine> so you can install them with apt-get
[14:03] <kenvandine> actually
[14:03] <kenvandine> not apt-get :)
[14:03] <kenvandine> libertine_container_manager
[14:03] <kenvandine> can install them
[14:04] <kenvandine> Elleo, however... only the demo apps are launchable :)
[14:04] <kenvandine> unless you craft your own desktop files
[14:04] <kenvandine> libertine_container_manager install-package -i puritine -p gimp
[14:05] <kenvandine> Elleo, assuming your container is named puritine
[14:05] <Elleo> kenvandine: cool, thanks
[14:23] <letatcest> Hi, i have a problem with adb devices after flasing to the ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en channel
[14:24] <letatcest> ie. the device cannot be found anymore
[14:24] <cwayne> letatcest: seems to be a known issue, just saw a mail about it on the mailing list
[14:25] <jgdx> letatcest, bug 1510919
[14:25] <letatcest> Ah! nice it is known ;) but how do I flash to another
[14:26] <letatcest> ah, thanks (it was of course we wanted to try the convergence! which didn't work with the rc-proposed channel, or we missed something of course)
[14:29] <mhall119> oSoMoN: would you be able to run a session at UOS next week discussing how the ubuntu browser was designed to adapt between phone, tablet and desktop form factors?
[14:29] <letatcest> so.. how would I flash back to the stable image without adb present?
[14:31] <letatcest> by the way, it may not be very important now. How could we check if 'convergence' actually works? We have a usb-hdmi-cable, but if we use it, nothing happens on the compter screen
[14:38] <oSoMoN> mhall119, I could probably do that, if there’s interest in it. not sure how long a session on that topic can be, it’s not really rocket science
[14:39] <mhall119> oSoMoN: I know, but it's a really nice example of adapting intelligently, rather than just "scaling up"
[14:40] <mcphail> That "libertine" thing looks interesting. How would a package like The GIMP work if it is running under confinement? Will Ubuntu Personal relax the confinement rules so packages can access more files and directories?
[14:41] <mhall119> pmcgowan: can your team propose a few topics around convergence to either discuss what you'll be working on this cycle or show off what is already landing/landed?
[14:41] <mhall119> mcphail: find out on next week's exciting episode of "Ubuntu Online Summit" :)
[14:42] <mcphail> Ha! Would I need to register?
[14:42] <pmcgowan> mhall119, bfiller could, probably most interesting for new app layouts
[14:43] <pmcgowan> mhall119, if that was the topic for osomon, you could do a session to cover all the apps inc browser
[14:43] <mhall119> pmcgowan: ack, I've got a designer who is going to talk about designing adaptive UIs
[14:43] <mhall119> pmcgowan: that would be great
[14:44] <pmcgowan> lets see what bill says
[15:25] <abeato> pstolowski, hey, I the next/prev buttons in indicator-sound are not enabled when I play something from the scope
[15:25] <abeato> pstolowski, however they are when using music-app
[15:25] <abeato> jhodapp, ^^
[15:25] <pstolowski> abeato, are you using my test mp3 files or your own?
[15:25] <abeato> pstolowski, my own
[15:26] <abeato> pstolowski, but I see songs grouped in albums
[15:26] <pstolowski> abeato, may be a difference in how music app uses qml playlist
[15:26] <abeato> so should be the same
[15:26] <pstolowski> abeato, the scope exposes playlist with tracks from *same* album only (of currently played song)
[15:26] <abeato> pstolowski, yep, I am seeing that
[15:27] <jhodapp> pstolowski, so you call playlist.addSource() for an album at a time?
[15:27] <jhodapp> pstolowski, if you're only adding one track, then the buttons will remain disabled
[15:27] <pstolowski> jhodapp, i'm not, scope is not doing anything qml side. tsdgeos ?
[15:28] <jhodapp> pstolowski, oh what's interacting with the playlist then?
[15:28] <pstolowski> jhodapp, the scopes asks mediascanner lib for other songs of same album, and adds all them to the list. this works well with the mp3s I linked to in the email.
[15:28] <pstolowski> jhodapp, unity8 & tsdgeos's code
[15:29] <jhodapp> abeato, try looking at the media-hub output when you press play on an album in the new scope...you should see if one track is added or many
[15:29] <jhodapp> and if added to the same player & playlist object instance
[15:30] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: many
[15:30] <tsdgeos> othewise you could not skip in the indicator
[15:30] <tsdgeos> and you can
[15:30] <tsdgeos> i don't know why there's a delay of like 5 seconds though
[15:30] <tsdgeos> here's the code https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/audioCardSupport/+merge/271605
[15:30] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, what delay?
[15:31] <tsdgeos> everything freezes
[15:31] <pstolowski> yeah, what i mentioned in the emailk
[15:31] <tsdgeos> basically what pawel mentions in the email
[15:31] <pstolowski> :)
[15:32] <jhodapp> yeah I've seen that as well occasionally...do either of you have a lot of wifi APs nearby or a roaming wifi network?
[15:32] <jhodapp> pstolowski, tsdgeos ^
[15:32] <tsdgeos> nope
[15:33] <pstolowski> i've 5 APs in the neighborhood, but how would that affect it only when hitting play?
[15:34] <jhodapp> pstolowski, there's been some general dbus slowness that we've been trying to track down...one that seems associated with roaming wifi
[15:34] <jhodapp> pstolowski, so you only see this when you hit play? can you describe what happens a bit more step by step?
[15:35] <pstolowski> jhodapp, i'm following the steps from bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1496736
[15:35] <pstolowski> jhodapp, after step 3 it starts playing immediately, but UI is unresponsive for a few seconds
[15:36] <jhodapp> pstolowski, ok
[15:36] <jhodapp> abeato, so this would be what we should track down ^
[15:37] <pstolowski> abeato, if your songs are not considered to be a single album as expected during playback in music scope, can you check their tags (compare with songs I shared?), or share them with me so I can take a look. it would be good to understand why that is happening
[15:40] <jhodapp> pstolowski, do you see the next/previous enable in indicator-sound when you play an album with the new music-scope?
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> dobey: awake mate?
[15:41] <pstolowski> jhodapp, yes, and they work
[15:41] <jhodapp> pstolowski, ok great, then abeato must be hitting a scenario like you just mentioned then
[15:42] <jhodapp> pstolowski, tsdgeos btw, give silo 9 a try...these have all the rest of the background playlist fixes and would appreciate you testing your silo with silo 9
[15:42] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: ok
[15:42] <pstolowski> jhodapp, sure
[15:42] <jhodapp> thanks
[15:44] <jhodapp> abeato, looks like the currentSource being empty isn't happening anymore according to tsdgeos so would you mind seeing if you can reproduce and trace what's causing the ~5s delay when pressing play from the new music-scope?
[15:45] <abeato> jhodapp, yep, trying to track that down
[15:45] <jhodapp> abeato, awesome thanks...I'll join you in that hunt after I test our silo
[15:45] <abeato> jhodapp, what I have seen some times is duplicated entries in the list
[15:45] <abeato> jhodapp, have you ever seen that?
[15:46] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, do you call addTrack(QUrl) one at a time, or can you use the new addTracks(QList<QUrl>)?
[15:46] <jhodapp> abeato, from the media-hub side?
[15:46] <jhodapp> or in the new scope?
[15:46] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: one at a time
[15:46] <abeato> I'd say it's media-hub
[15:46] <jhodapp> abeato, I haven't seen that no
[15:47] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, I'd recommend using the new addTracks()...it performs much better
[15:48] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: any reason for such a difference? i'm not even playing at that point
[15:48] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, also, just a note, but the tracks aren't gauranteed to have been added to the tracklist until you get a trackInserted() signal
[15:48] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, dbus performance issues
[15:48] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, tvoss is looking into it...most likely a dbus-cpp issue
[15:49] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: what does that mean "the tracks aren't guaranteed to have been added"
[15:49] <tsdgeos> that i need to wait before play?
[15:49] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, yes
[15:49] <tsdgeos> hoesntly that API is bad then
[15:49] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, it's the MPRIS spec
[15:50] <tsdgeos> as a API user, i add tracks and play
[15:50] <tsdgeos> if you need to wait for something
[15:50] <jhodapp> not my design :)
[15:50] <tsdgeos> it's your problem, not something the user needs to care about
[15:50] <tsdgeos> i'm not using the mpris speac
[15:50] <tsdgeos> i'm usong the Audio object
[15:50] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, but you're a user of the API and that's how it works
[15:51] <tsdgeos> i'm just saying the API is bad
[15:51] <jhodapp> why does it matter anyway, it's not like it's going to take seconds
[15:51] <jhodapp> milliseconds
[15:51] <tsdgeos> makes all its users worry about something they should not worry about
[15:51] <jhodapp> in your opinion
[15:52] <jhodapp> there's reasons for it
[15:52] <tsdgeos> all i say it's always in my opinion
[15:52] <tsdgeos> obviously :D
[15:52] <tsdgeos> what is one of the reasons?
[15:52] <jhodapp> right, and I'm just explaining I can't change it as we're following the MPRIS spec
[15:53] <jhodapp> the mediaCount for the playlist is not correct until that signal has fired
[15:54] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: you're telling me the api is one such that addTrack() followed by a "give me the numbers of tracks" returns 0?
[15:55] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, well 0 or whatever it was last time...it's asynchronous
[15:56] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, read the note here: http://specifications.freedesktop.org/mpris-spec/latest/Track_List_Interface.html#Method:AddTrack
[15:57] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: there's no addTracks in there
[15:57] <tsdgeos> are we making the API better?
[15:57] <pstolowski> jhodapp, no improvement with silo 9 when it comes to 5 secs freeze
[15:57] <jhodapp> pstolowski, ok
[15:58] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, yes only because of our dbus issues
[15:58] <abeato> pstolowski, I still do not see the indicator-sound buttons enabled with your mp3 files
[15:58] <pstolowski> abeato, interesting
[15:58] <tsdgeos> abeato: where are you playing from?
[15:58] <abeato> pstolowski, I go to the album and start playing one of the songs
[15:59] <jhodapp> abeato, what does the media-hub output look like? do you see multiple tracks added?
[15:59] <pstolowski> abeato, no, you need to go to tracks department and play the track
[15:59] <abeato> jhodapp, only one mp3 added to the track list
[15:59] <jhodapp> oh well that's why
[15:59] <pstolowski> abeato, and you need to be playing the track from the results list (play button over the song card), not from the preview - see my screenshot
[16:00] <jhodapp> pstolowski, how do you get to the results list?
[16:00] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: he already said "you need to go to tracks department and play the track"
[16:01] <tsdgeos> do you know what the tracks department is?
[16:01] <tsdgeos> i can confirm the freeze is not gone with silo 9
[16:02] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, I don't, no...I need to try again though because I had nothing valid showing last time I tried silo 4 the other day
[16:04] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: abeato: http://i.imgur.com/1OLzfsb.png
[16:05] <tsdgeos> the tracks department
[16:05] <abeato> tsdgeos, got it
[16:05] <jhodapp> ok
[16:06] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, oh I see you can select a category
[16:11] <ahayzen> Hi, anyone noticed after the recent unity8 update that 'flicking' doesn't work anymore in various places, such as the app spread and indicators ?
[16:11] <jhodapp> ahayzen, I just noticed that today as well in the initial setup wizard
[16:12] <ahayzen> :(
[16:12]  * ahayzen wonders if there a bug report somewhere
[16:14] <pmcgowan> ahayzen, how are you seeing that?
[16:14] <ahayzen> pmcgowan, for example, open loads of apps and open the spread, then press, drag a little bit a lift...before it would carry the velocity .. now things just stop instantly
[16:15] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, I see it when scrolling through the wifi list on the initial setup wizard
[16:15] <ahayzen> same happens when scrolling horizontally/vertically in the indicators
[16:15] <ahayzen> and on the launcher
[16:15] <Ghwomb> Is there anyone who can help me unmute the sound on my BQ Aquaris 5? Cut the Rope and PathWind is unmuted, system reset did not help.
[16:16] <pmcgowan> ahayzen, I see bah
[16:16] <pmcgowan> Saviq, ^^
[16:17] <pmcgowan> hmm not sure
[16:18] <Saviq> pmcgowan, confirmed, got an idea though
[16:21] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: track_index_lut.size():  360
[16:21] <tsdgeos> does this mean i have 360 songs in the playlist?
[16:21] <jhodapp> yes
[16:21] <tsdgeos> something is very wrong
[16:21] <tsdgeos> i have like 10
[16:21] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, tell me how to reproduce and I can investigate
[16:22] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: function playSource(newSource, newPlaylist) { in https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/audioCardSupport/+merge/271605
[16:22] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, what's that?
[16:22] <tsdgeos> basically stop audio, unset playlist, clear playlist, addtracks, set index, start playing
[16:22] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: code?
[16:22] <tsdgeos> D:
[16:22] <tsdgeos> i don't understand the question
[16:23] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, I was just wondering why you listed code
[16:24] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: ah i thought you meant what the code was doing instead of how to reproduce with clicks :)
[16:24] <Saviq> pmcgowan, ok, idea wrong, will file bug / find where it broke
[16:24] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, no just the steps to reproduce from a user of silo 4 perspective
[16:24] <Saviq> ahayzen, thanks for the heads-up
[16:24] <ahayzen> Saviq, no problem
[16:26] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: just play from the tracks deparment
[16:26] <tsdgeos> first play goes to 10, second play is now 30
[16:26] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, ok my guess is that clear() is not working in your case
[16:26] <abeato> jhodapp, that's what I've seen too
[16:27] <Saviq> pmcgowan, ahayzen actually, there's a bug for it already bug #1510571
[16:27] <tsdgeos> abeato: jhodapp: there's also a weird behaviour in that if i play from playlist and then play from source that is ignored and the old song is played
[16:27] <ahayzen> Saviq, ah cool, it just happens in more places that just the spread it seems :-)
[16:27] <Saviq> ahayzen, can you comment on the bug please where else you see it?
[16:28] <ahayzen> Saviq, will do :-)
[16:28] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, what do you mean play from source?
[16:28] <Saviq> might help us pinpoint the issue
[16:28] <tsdgeos> abeato: jhodapp: in terms of how to reproduce from the ui is "go to tracks, play song 1, now go to preview of song 2 (by clicking on it not on the play icon), play from there, first song plays instead of second (and the url shows as the second one playing)"
[16:28] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: i mean audio.source = url;
[16:29] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, oh interesting, that is a bug...you can get around that for now by always using the playlist even if there's only one track in it
[16:30] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, would you mind filing a bug for that along with how to reproduce?
[16:30] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, file it against the media-hub source package
[16:30] <tsdgeos> ok, doing
[16:32] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, thanks
[16:33] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: abeato: pstolowski: since we can't reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1496736 anymore want me to close it?
[16:33] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, sure
[16:33] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: and i guess open another one for the delay that happens when trying to play?
[16:34] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, yes please
[16:34] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, jhodapp okay as long as we have a new one for ui responsiveness
[16:34] <faenil> Saviq: I have to implement a behaviour which is only applied when a mouse is attached (independent of window mode)...is there any way to get that info at the moment? if not, is it coming anytime soon?
[16:35] <faenil> (this is related to scrollbars, fwiw)
[16:35] <Saviq> faenil, depends, is presence alone enough, or hover required
[16:35] <Saviq> ?
[16:36] <faenil> Saviq: both, but I'm looking for presence
[16:36] <jhodapp> pstolowski, yeah tsdgeos is adding one
[16:36] <faenil> as in, the main flag that makes the switch is the presence of a mouse
[16:36] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, pstolowski so abeato can't reproduce the freeze in music-app or the scope
[16:37] <jhodapp> when the freeze happens for you, is the entire system unresponsive as in even the dash isn't responding?
[16:37] <Saviq> faenil, what's supposed to happen depending on that main flag?
[16:37] <greyback_> faenil: there are plans for mir to export that info, but for now, the qinputinfo plugin might be what you need
[16:38] <faenil> Saviq: at the moment scrollbars become non-overlay when a mouse is connected
[16:38] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: abeato: yes you can't scroll the dash
[16:38] <faenil> s/at the moment/in the future
[16:38] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, yeah there's some weird dbus interaction going on then
[16:39] <Saviq> faenil, so stuff changes visually just because you connect a mouse
[16:39] <Saviq> ?
[16:39] <faenil> Saviq: yes
[16:39] <faenil> Saviq: it's nothing final, but there will be something that depends on whether a mouse is connected, most likely
[16:39] <faenil> or so it seems
[16:39] <Saviq> faenil, just a note that we should avoid that if possible, but scrollbars might just make sense for that
[16:40] <faenil> Saviq: sure, we should avoid...
[16:40] <Saviq> faenil, we have a copy of a "inputinfo" module from future Qt that mzanetti maintains for us in unity8
[16:41] <Saviq> not sure if it'd work for apps, though (confinement)
[16:41] <faenil> greyback_: sorry, just read your msg
[16:41] <mzanetti> Saviq, we should make it work for apps...
[16:41] <Saviq> mzanetti, not directly IMO
[16:41] <faenil> :/
[16:41] <faenil> are we becoming paranoid about everything now? :)
[16:41] <mzanetti> Saviq, either by replacing the backend to read info from mir or something...
[16:42] <mzanetti> but the api should be available to apps
[16:42] <Saviq> mzanetti, I mean that there needs to be a central place where we apply quirks
[16:42] <tsdgeos> abeato: jhodapp: pstolowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1511029 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1511034
[16:42] <mzanetti> Saviq, yes, custom backend is probably the answer
[16:42] <Saviq> mzanetti, right, I'm just saying it's not necessary for every app to enumerate the input devices
[16:42] <abeato> tsdgeos, that's great, thanks
[16:42] <jhodapp> thanks tsdgeos
[16:42] <Saviq> mzanetti, totally +1 that the API should be available
[16:43] <Saviq> faenil, so yeah, you could try to borrow the inputinfo module from us, not sure if it'll Just Work™, though
[16:44] <Saviq> faenil, and it's not about being paranoid, but do you want a malicious app to change your input configuration? ;)
[16:45] <tsdgeos> abeato: jhodapp: the first one may also be because we calling addTrack instead of addTracks
[16:45] <tsdgeos> i'll investigate that tomorrow
[16:45] <tsdgeos> and comment on the bug
[16:45] <faenil> Saviq: not change, but read the state..
[16:45] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, I don't think it's causing that first issue, but I'd still recommend changing to use addTracks([]) instead
[16:46] <Saviq> faenil, well, that's the problem, the low level APIs are not as fine grained
[16:46] <Saviq> faenil, so we need something in between
[17:25] <drwd> Hello everybody, I have a question. ok
[17:25] <drwd> I want to know if I will be allowed to watch netflix on ubuntu phone
[17:26] <mcphail> drwd: Ubuntu will allow you, but netflix won't
[17:26]  * ogra_ doesnt deny
[17:26] <ogra_> so go ahead if you can convince netflix
[17:26] <ogra_> :)
[17:26] <jibel> drwd, you'd need a client that supports netflix and only chrome does on ubuntu afaik
[17:26] <drwd> Please tell me a tip to bypass it
[17:27] <mcphail> drwd: you can't. Not on the phone, I'm afraid
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> my scopes get freezed in the middle of 2 scopes after sliding a few on BQ 4.5 anyone seen that before?
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> left bar can still be moved, but i can only reboot phone to get things working again
[17:28] <jibel> drwd, https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23742
[17:29] <drwd> I can watch it on android ok, listen. Ubuntu is better, you are all have a tip to bypass it. I talk about trick netflix requirement, agent for browser
[17:29] <dobey> lotuspsychje: hi
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> hey dobey
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> dobey: just wanted to tell you my above issue
[17:30] <dobey> drwd: build a version of the proprietary google chrome for the phone, and then you'd be able to watch it in that.
[17:31] <dobey> lotuspsychje: no idea. sounds like a bug in unity8 perhaps. you should report it
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> ok
[17:33] <drwd> Can I build Chrome on ubuntu phone?
[17:33] <mcphail> drwd: no
[17:33] <mcphail> drwd: there is no way to watch netflix on the Ubuntu phone just now
[17:34] <drwd> How can I watch it then?
[17:34] <mcphail> drwd: on something else
[17:34] <jibel> drwd, it is not a question of trick it is a question of DRM and the extensions are only available on the proprietary chrome
[17:35] <drwd> You mean the ubuntu is limited ?
[17:36] <dobey> drwd: no, netflix is
[17:36] <ogra_> netflix applies copy protection that only chrome can play back
[17:36] <ogra_> so without the closed source plugin from chrome there is no way to play their videos
[17:37] <dobey> hmm
[17:38] <ogra_> hacking the user agent will get you access to the page ... but videos will only show a black screen when playing
[17:38] <drwd> Bug?
[17:39] <ogra_> ?
[17:39] <mcphail> drwd: yes - file it wth netflix
[17:39] <drwd> Black screen a bug?
[17:39] <dobey> there is no google chrome for armhf
[17:39] <ogra_> drwd, no, it is what netflix set
[17:39] <dobey> no it's not a bug
[17:39] <ogra_> sets
[17:39] <jibel> drwd, or ask google to port chrome to the Ubuntu phone ;)
[17:39] <dobey> it is because netflix do not support browsers other than google chrome
[17:40] <ogra_> drwd, netflix does not allow other browsers to play back their videos ... not a bug
[17:40] <jibel> well, it supports IE and Safari
[17:40] <dobey> not chromium, but the official proprietary google chrome browser
[17:40] <jibel> but not on Ubuntu
[17:40] <ogra_> indeed
[17:41] <drwd> Come on guys, we have the power... we need a hero.
[17:41] <dobey> no, we don't have the power
[17:41] <dobey> google's attornies haven't given it to us
[17:41] <ogra_> drwd, cracking netflix' copy protection you mean ?
[17:41] <ogra_> good luck with that
[17:41] <jibel> drwd, be the hero then
[17:41] <mcphail> drwd: you have the power to not give netflix your subscription fees, with an explanation why you are leaving
[17:41] <drwd> I have the premium account, so I need to play
[17:42] <dobey> drwd: then complain to netflix that they don't support ubuntu phone
[17:42] <dobey> maybe you can convince them to write an app for ubuntu phone
[17:42] <ogra_> or to provide a simple decryption plugin
[17:42] <dobey> lol "simple"
[17:42] <ogra_> (which someone else could use in his app)
[17:42] <drwd> I am only a man ( sexy man) I cant change the world.
[17:43] <ogra_> dobey, i dont mind writing an app with a black box where i pipe the stream in :)
[17:43] <drwd> Netflix work on android and xbox ( apps)
[17:43] <dobey> ogra_: we already have an app. all that's required is google building official chrome for armhf; then it's a rather trivial thing to do with a webapp and a little magic install
[17:44] <jibel> you can always record the shows from your tv with the camera of the phone and then play it back later :P
[17:44] <dobey> drwd: netflix provide the apps for those yes
[17:44] <ogra_> dobey, true
[17:44] <dobey> drwd: so go complain to netflix
[17:44] <dobey> does netflix work on a chromebook?
[17:44] <drwd> I guess
[17:44] <ogra_> you can also just use free streaming portals ... and watch 10 year old movies instead :)
[17:45] <ogra_> dobey, it uses the closed chrome ...
[17:45] <dobey> or movies that will come out in 10 days
[17:45] <dobey> depending on where you get the movies
[17:45] <ogra_> (chromebook)
[17:45] <drwd> Ok tell me to do, slap google face or slap netflix face
[17:45]  * mcphail thought the DRM plugin came from Adobe, rather than Google
[17:45] <dobey> drwd: both
[17:46] <dobey> mcphail: no, it's all from google
[17:46] <drwd> Slap
[17:46] <mcphail> dobey: are Adobe going to make the plugin for Firefox? I'm sure they were involved somewhere in all of this mess
[17:46] <dobey> mcphail: it's not using flash for netflix i don't think. but the flash in chrome is licensed to google from adobe, so google builds it
[17:46] <dobey> mcphail: no, it's not flash
[17:47] <dobey> mcphail: it's html5 video with the enhanced media extensions stuff for the drm
[17:47] <mcphail> dobey: no - I know it isn;t flash. I mean the HTML5 DRM plugin
[17:47] <drwd> They spy my ass, they spy my device, but they dont allow me to watch movies smh
[17:48] <mcphail> dobey: found it - https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/05/12/update-on-digital-rights-management-and-firefox/
[17:49] <drwd> Firefox is not allowed too
[17:50] <dobey> mcphail: don't know what that has to do with google chrome.
[17:50]  * mcphail sighs
[17:50] <dobey> and i certainly can't watch DRMed video in firefox
[17:50] <ogra_> because you never tried :P
[17:51] <drwd> I hear the netflix have had an api but it was removed...
[17:51] <dobey> ogra_: i tried again just now
[17:51] <ogra_> ah
[17:51] <dobey> i don't get any pop-up to install anything. youtube just gives me "An error occurred" for a purchased video
[17:51] <mcphail> I don't think the CDM made it into Linux builds, and think Netflix don't accept it anyway
[17:52] <ogra_> well, they could just provide a binary blob ... like spotify does
[17:52] <drwd> Meanwhile we need a dual option to do things, for example an android system like gingerbread ( 500 mb or less )
[17:52] <dobey> i don't have netflix, so meh. but it would be nice to get all of youtube in firefox
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> dobey: something like this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1511063
[17:52] <dobey> lotuspsychje: sure
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> dobey: tnx
[17:53] <dobey> drwd: good luck with that
[17:53] <drwd> Can I report like bug it ? dual boot option
[17:54] <dobey> it's not a bug
[17:54] <drwd> It is a tool
[17:54] <dobey> ubuntu phone is not going to include android as a dual boot solution
[17:54] <dobey> if you want dual boot, use multirom in android
[17:55] <drwd> No ty
[17:55] <drwd> I want ubuntu like main system
[17:56] <drwd> We have space enough to do the dual boot, u are all know it.
[17:57] <mcphail> drwd: I look forward to trying it when you implement it :)
[17:57] <drwd> Froyo or gingerbread.. space enough
[17:57] <dobey> the solution for dual boot is multirom. if you want to run android apps within ubuntu, that is a separate thing, and isn't going to happen natively. you're welcome to try building a package with an android VM that runs android apps within itself, though
[17:58] <dobey> why would you even want to run such an old android that isn't even supported by google any longer?
[17:59] <drwd> Fuck google, I want to watch netflix and I will solve the issue.
[17:59] <mcphail> drwd: please moderate your language
[17:59] <drwd> Excuse me
[18:00] <dobey> well, good luck
[18:00] <drwd> I said gingerbread because the jelly bean has big size
[18:01] <ogra_> blog about it when you implemented it
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:02] <ogra_> surely an interesting read
[18:02] <drwd> Smh
[18:03] <dobey> i can't remember what silly names google uses for what versions
[18:03] <dobey> or did they just skip k?
[18:04] <ogra_> dobey, you mean if they skipped kitkat ?
[18:04] <dobey> oh, right, i forgot about kitkat
[18:04] <ogra_> :)
[18:04] <dobey> so which one is 4.4.4?
[18:05] <ogra_> 4.x is kitkat
[18:05] <dobey> 445M Sep 16  2014 occam-ktu84p-factory-b6ac3ad6.tgz
[18:05] <ogra_> iirc
[18:05] <pmcgowan> good thing we dont use silly names
[18:05] <drwd> Kit kat is big too and the hardware is not able to support kitkat and ubuntu
[18:05] <ogra_> pmcgowan, beyond that guy that like to give things animal names you mean ?
[18:06] <dobey> 445M is too big?
[18:06] <dobey> lol
[18:06] <ogra_> *likes
[18:06] <drwd> I will buy a new device if someone says ubuntu will have dual boot.
[18:06] <dobey> dual boot already exists
[18:06] <dobey> it's called multirom
[18:07] <drwd> I mean dual boot for ubuntu
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> why watch netflix on such small phone screen
[18:07] <drwd> Dude lol, I cant watch it
[18:07] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, better a small screen than no screen ;)
[18:07]  * mcphail likes watching films on a phone
[18:07] <ogra_> at least when watching a movie a small screen is more worth than none :)
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> i like n7 just for movies and i find it small lol
[18:08] <ogra_> you dont fly much :)
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> ok ok i rest my case :p
[18:08] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: if you are as myopic as me, a phone screen is the perfect size to watch without your glasses on a lazy Sunday morning
[18:08] <drwd> Dude the phone is better when u are traveling. U cant take the tv
[18:08] <ogra_> in-flight systems usually have a "big" 7" screen ...
[18:09] <ogra_> with a 640x480 resolution :)
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> you guys also tap screen every few minutes to get brightness back
[18:09] <ogra_> so there your n7 would easily smart out the picture quality
[18:09]  * ogra_ doesnt tap  the screen when playing back a movie, no
[18:09] <dobey> an official ubuntu phone that dual boots android would be pointless
[18:10] <ogra_> i just write my apps in a way they properly keep the screen on ;)
[18:10] <dobey> nobody would use ubuntu, because they'd have all their apps in android
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: aha
[18:10] <ogra_> try the clipfish app ...
[18:10] <drwd> Canonical will have more clients or customizers
[18:10] <ogra_> (though only german movies there ... with ads)
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: is there a youtube apps that doesnt get dark
[18:10] <ogra_> i think the last one should play fine
[18:11] <ogra_> there was an update the last days
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> ok ill try it
[18:11] <ogra_> also the browser should havee that fix too
[18:11] <pmcgowan> yes
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> ah i didnt test that1 tnx!
[18:12] <dobey> watching movies on my phone is a great way to have a barbecue
[18:12] <drwd> I hope the OTA 8 allow us to download any file, I cant download any movie ....
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> there was popcorn time for ubuntu right, but got reported?
[18:13] <ogra_> dobey, nah,, you need two phones to properly distribute the heat
[18:13] <dobey> ogra_: not with a nexus 5 :)
[18:13] <ogra_> one top, one bottom
[18:13] <mcphail> ogra_: one for the vegetarians?
[18:13] <pmcgowan> drwd, that got pushed to ota9 sadly
[18:13] <dobey> you just turn the sausage
[18:14] <ogra_> pfft
[18:14] <drwd> Oh man, are u kidding me? the time is short...
[18:14] <ogra_> lol
[18:15] <dobey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heiyM61dfio
[18:18] <drwd> Guys I have a question, I blocks google ads ok, for example    <IP_ADDRESS>  google.ads.doubleclickt.net,  but google will show me ada again..
[18:19] <drwd> *ads again
[18:19] <dobey> yeah, google are smart enough to not serve ads from a single domain
[18:19] <drwd> I am using the dns <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:20] <dobey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwrxKtciZhQ
[18:21] <drwd> I have a lot of links blocked right in /etc/hosts
[18:22] <drwd> But each day I see a new ads, wtf?
[18:23] <dobey> you haven't blocked all of them
[18:23] <drwd> I do the temporaly mount, sudo mount /dev/loop0 / -o remount,rw
[18:23] <dobey> the only way to guarantee you don't see ads on web sites, is to not look at web sites
[18:24] <ogra_> or use intelligent duct tape (the one that moves in place of the ads on a page)
[18:25] <drwd> I block the link right for example play.google.com, but if I do ping google.play.com I will see google.l.play.com wtf?
[18:25] <ogra_> can you please tame your language ...
[18:25] <dobey> or get some joo janta 200 super-chromatic peril sensitive sunglasses
[18:25] <ogra_> dobey, +1
[18:25] <ogra_> :)
[18:25] <drwd> What does is tame dude im a bit lost
[18:26] <ogra_> drwd, please stop the cursing
[18:26] <ogra_> it isnt appropriate for ubuntu channels
[18:26] <drwd> Ok I got u, Im gentleman believe me.
[18:26] <ogra_> (this is what "tame your language2 means)
[18:33] <dobey> while you're making a netflix app, go ahead and make one for amazon videos, and another for amazon music, too
[18:34] <drwd> Dude I will make with ads lol
[18:35] <ogra_> go ahead :)
[18:35]  * ogra_ doesnt mind ads ... someone has to pay for it after all
[18:35] <ogra_> thanks to ads it isnt me
[18:36] <dobey> ads are the debil
[18:36] <ogra_> heh
[18:36] <drwd> Daddy needs money $$$$
[18:38] <dobey> feel free to apply at amazon or netflix. both are pretty much always hiring people
[18:40] <drwd> I will talk with netflix smh
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> teamviewer to your desktop playing netflix :p
[18:42] <drwd> Teamviewer does not work on ubuntu phone
[18:42] <ogra_> real hardcore people run IE in an i386 chroot under wine :P
[18:43] <drwd> I think I will watch netflix if canonical fix the desktop version on phone.
[18:43] <ogra_> "fix the desktop version on phone" ?
[18:43] <ogra_> what does that mean
[18:43] <drwd> Yep
[18:43] <dobey> go buy an x86 phone and you can watch it no problem
[18:43] <drwd> It is not complete
[18:44] <ogra_> what makes you think you could then watch netflix ?
[18:44] <dobey> what is not complete?
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Netflix-Working-on-Ubuntu-Touch-Native-App-460846.shtml
[18:44] <drwd> For example the mir?
[18:44] <tathhu> Browser needs more DRM :P
[18:44] <ogra_> google doesnt offer chrome for armhf ... as long as they dont do that there wont be a browser to watch netflix
[18:44] <dobey> what does mir have to do with completeness?
[18:45] <ogra_> no matter in what state the desktop is in
[18:45] <ogra_> if google doesnt give you the browser you cant use it
[18:45] <ogra_> as dobey said, get an x86 phone and you can even make it work today (with some hackery)
[18:46] <dobey> get an x86 phone and you can even play steam on it :)
[18:46] <ogra_> on an arm phone it wont work
[18:46] <ogra_> yeah !
[18:46] <dobey> or buy me an arm chromebook
[18:47] <dobey> or tell me where to pull the chrome bits off the web for it
[18:47] <drwd> Yes very nice but wait a moment, oops, the battery will die more
[18:47] <dobey> lol. you want to watch netflix on a phone, and are worried about battery life?
[18:47] <drwd> I think we need the modular phone like google
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> every day magic happens for ubuntu touch
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> its just a metter of time
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> how you guys like my xenial dekstop: http://oi68.tinypic.com/sm4z0g.jpg
[18:59] <popey> uuuugh
[18:59] <popey> soo many adverts
[19:12] <dobey> lotuspsychje: is that digital blasphemy?
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> dobey: not sure whom to punish :p
[19:14] <dobey> lotuspsychje: eh? i wasn't making a joke
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> dobey: explain what you mean then
[19:15] <OerHeks> is it a touchscreen ?
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: not its my xenial desktop
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu desktop
[19:15] <dobey> lotuspsychje: http://digitalblasphemy.com/seeall.shtml?y=2015&t=0&w=&h=&r=1&f=0
[19:15] <dobey> (i didn't realize digital blasphemy was still around though)
[19:16] <mimecar> Good afternoon...
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> dobey: ah you mean that actual website? no its from deviantart
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> hey mimecar
[19:17] <dobey> the style of that wallpaper made me think of the db wallpapers


[00:05] <blueyed> Any hint on bug 255150 ?
[00:05] <blueyed> the modules in -updates are more recent than the kernel.. is the kernel supposed to ever enter -updates?
[00:06] <wgrant> That particular one won't, no.
[00:06] <wgrant> The ABI is already 21.
[00:06] <wgrant> So they need to be rebuilt again.
[00:07] <wgrant> And an archive admin should have noticed that that wasn't a good idea.
[00:07] <blueyed> there is a rebuild for -21 already.. but when will it go to updates?
[00:07] <blueyed> wgrant: pitti is subscribed and being poked
[00:08] <wgrant> Archive admins need to know to copy them both when the kernel update is published. It's the only way this is going to ever work.
[00:11] <blueyed> ok, I've updated bug 260722 accordingly.
[00:11] <blueyed> but the question remains: if it takes more than a few days, the current messup should get fixed probably. there's one dupe a day now for the proposed/updates mismatch.
[00:12] <wgrant> Aren't the -19 modules still published?
[00:13] <wgrant> Ah, no.
[00:13] <wgrant> Hm, actually, yes they are - I was looking at the wrong name.
[00:13] <wgrant> So where's the problem?
[00:13] <wgrant> virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.24-19-generic |     24.0.4 | hardy-updates/universe | amd64, i386
[00:49] <blueyed> wgrant: they are published, but IIRC the meta package depends on -20 already (and -20 is published, too).
[00:50] <wgrant> blueyed: Oh, right, forgot about the metapackage.
[02:54] <amikrop> How do we create the .deb out of the source package?
[02:55] <Elbrus> amikrop: there are several ways. I use pdebuild
[02:55] <amikrop> Elbrus: which is the standard one?
[02:55] <Elbrus> amikrop: but there is I believe also dpkg-buildpackage (probably the standard, but I am not sure)
[02:56] <amikrop> ok
[02:56] <amikrop> thanks :)
[02:57] <cody-somerville> !pbuilder
[02:58] <Elbrus> !pdebuild
[02:59] <Elbrus> ok, pdebuild works on top of pbuilder, so a non-root can run it I believe
[03:06] <persia> StevenK: When you have a chance, would you mind pushing the no-change rebuilds against libbluetooth-dev to the ~bluetooth PPA?
[03:07] <StevenK> persia: Ew
[03:08] <persia> StevenK: Don't worry about versioning, it's just that with uploads of some of it frozen until beta, I think it would be better to toss it somewhere for wider testing.
[03:11] <persia> StevenK: Alternately, do you have a better suggestion for testing?  I can build locally, but I'm not sure everyone can.
[03:11] <StevenK> persia: Hold on, I'll sorting out a list so I can sign and upload
[03:12] <persia> StevenK: OK.  Sorry to keep poking you with slightly distasteful things today :)
[03:18] <StevenK> persia: Uploaded.
[03:19] <persia> StevenK: Thanks.  I'll try to run through the whole suite later.
[03:20] <persia> And of course, if anyone else feels like testing the new bluetooth stack to see if it has fewer regressions against hardy than the current stack in intrepid, help is welcome.  Please comment on bug #276343 with any discovered regressions.
[03:20] <persia> (or bug #274950 for core BlueZ regressions)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> jono: contentless pong?
[03:49]  * wgrant contentless-pingfloods Hobbsee.
[03:49]  * Hobbsee puts wgrant out with the rubbish, ready for the rubbish truck.
[03:49] <wgrant> It's already been, I'm afraid. You'll have to wait a week.
[03:51] <Hobbsee> it just left then.
[03:51]  * ajmitch watches wgrant decompose with the rest for the next week
[03:53]  * wgrant decomposes entertainingly.
[03:53]  * persia stacks up bleachers
[04:09] <Elbrus> I am working on a package that has a configure dependency in the clean rule. Isn't that strange? That way you will always end up with a large diff because your Makefiles will be touched, right???
[04:10] <persia> Elbrus: Some maintainers like to set things up that way so that the Makefiles never change on the buildds.
[04:11] <persia> Personally, I don't like it, but it's not something you should disable unless you have a good reason.
[04:11] <ScottK-laptop> Good day all.
[04:11] <Elbrus> persia: so how to prevent the Makefiles to end up in the .diff.gz??
[04:12] <TheMuso> Hey ScottK-laptop.
[04:12] <ScottK-laptop> Hobbsee: I took the plunge and my laptop is running KDE4 Intrepid now.  It's not too bad.
[04:12] <ScottK-laptop> heya TheMuso
[04:12] <ScottK-laptop> Considering I absolutely hate anything new, that's high praise from me.
[04:12] <persia> Elbrus: Don't.  They live in the diff.gz.
[04:12] <Elbrus> and I try to get rid of a debian/files in the source tar.gz, but rm -f debian/files in clean-patched doesn't work
[04:13] <Hobbsee> ScottK-laptop: i hope it's bug-free.
[04:13] <Elbrus> persia: ok.
[04:13] <persia> Elbrus: If you're preparing a package from scratch, you don't want to do it this way.  If you're editing an existing package, you don't want to change this.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> ScottK-laptop: seeing as i think a lot may switch from ubuntu.
[04:13] <ScottK-laptop> Elbrus: You can't patch a file to disappear.  The most you can do is make one empty.
[04:13] <StevenK> ScottK-laptop: Is the reverse also true?
[04:13] <ScottK-laptop> Hobbsee: It's certainly not bug free, but it's not too bad.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> ScottK-laptop: oh good.
[04:13] <Elbrus> the debian/files prevents the package from building on i386
[04:13] <ScottK-laptop> Most of the stuff I use seems to work and isn't exceptionally crashy.
[04:15] <Elbrus> ScottK-laptop: so should I just provide an empty debian/files and ignore the lintian warning?
[04:15] <StevenK> Elbrus: Um, ew
[04:15] <StevenK> Elbrus: Including an empty debian/files will make dpkg hate you
[04:16] <Elbrus> s/warning/error
[04:16] <Elbrus> StevenK: so how do I work around this issue?
[04:18] <Elbrus> StevenK: it contains: lazarus_0.9.1beta-0cvs20040530-0_i386.deb development optional
[04:18] <Elbrus> StevenK: the package is version 0.9.24-0-12
[04:18] <StevenK> Not according to that, it isn't
[04:18] <ScottK-laptop> Elbrus: Generally you'll have to repack the orig.tar.gz.
[04:20] <Elbrus> ScottK-laptop: ok, just means that syncing from debian does not work... Is it possible that dpkg previously was not so picky?
[04:20] <StevenK> debian/files is in the .diff.gz?
[04:20] <StevenK> If so, the clean rule needs to be fixed
[04:21] <Elbrus> StevenK: debian/files is in lazarus_0.9.24-0.orig.tar.gz
[04:21] <StevenK> Errrrr
[04:21] <RAOF> Ewww
[04:21] <StevenK> What RAOF said
[04:21] <wgrant> Urrrrgh.
[04:22] <StevenK> Files under debian/ do not belong in an .orig
[04:22] <RAOF> _Especially_ files generated during the build process of a Debian package!
[04:23] <persia> Removing such files in debian/clean (at the *very* top, before anything else) is usually a good idea.
[04:23] <wgrant> Where is upstream, and can I break into the MOTU weapon store before visiting them?
[04:24] <persia> Such action should be immediately followed by a clear complaint to upstream about the appropriate practices of software releases.
[04:24] <persia> wgrant: Were you not issued a key to the armoury already?
[04:24] <wgrant> persia: Unfortunately not.
[04:25]  * persia looks for the "How to be a well behaved upstream" page on the wiki
[04:25]  * RAOF still needs to write it.
[04:25] <Elbrus> persia: my clean starts like clean: patch configure clean-patched unpatch
[04:25]  * StevenK jingles the keys to the ubuntu-archive weapons locker
[04:25] <Elbrus> persia: where should I put the rm -f
[04:25]  * wgrant robs StevenK.
[04:26] <persia> Elbrus: -rm -f under clean: in debian/rules
[04:26]  * StevenK notes the keys self-destruct after leaving his person
[04:26] <Elbrus> persia: but aren't the patch etc not first applied?
[04:26] <StevenK> Elbrus: That's a bad clean rule
[04:26] <wgrant> StevenK: I'll just grab Hobbsee's instead.
[04:26] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstreamGuide
[04:27] <StevenK> Elbrus: clean: clean-patched unpatch
[04:27] <persia> Elbrus: You want to delete that file before you do *anything* else, unconditionally, and always.
[04:29] <persia> RAOF: Since most of the "How to be a good upstream" page is already written, and it seemed to be on your TODO list, would you mind adding the "Don't including packaging data for Debian, Fedora, Slackware, Gentoo, or other distributions in your release tarballs.  why?" section?
[04:43] <fabrice_sp> Hi. To solve Bug #271016, I'm trying to build taskjuggler against KDE 4, but it fails in configure saying that KDE libraries are not there. Are there guidelines on what to do to migrate an app from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4?
[04:45] <Elbrus> fabrice_sp: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/KDE4_Porting_Guide
[04:46] <fabrice_sp> Thanks Elbrus. Let's try that as this package strongly depends on libkcal
[04:52]  * NCommander plays with pam
[04:56] <ScottK> NCommander: kde4bindings is calling you.
[04:57]  * ScottK figures causing one nightmare tonight is enough and goes to bed.
[04:58] <NCommander> Ack
[04:58]  * NCommander duct tapes ScottK to a wall
[05:26] <uniscript> is there a document somewhere that describes how to add menu items, icons and mimetypes (perhaps multiple documents) when creating a package?
[05:38] <fabrice_sp> Hi uniscript. You can begin with debian policy (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/index.html#contents). There is specific content for menu and mime
[06:32] <Hobbsee> jono: repong?
[06:32] <jono> hey Hobbsee - I mentioned earlier - I sorted it out, no worries
[06:32] <Hobbsee> jono: oh, okay.
[06:33] <jono> :)
[06:35]  * Elbrus goes to bed and continues with repacking lazarus tomorrow
[06:48] <dholbach> good morning
[06:52] <iulian> Morning Daniel.
[06:53] <dholbach> hi iulian!
[07:24] <porthose> If a kind Universe Sponsor has some time, could you please have a look at Bug #248216.  Thanks :)
[07:27] <dholbach> porthose: what do you think about testing if the directory exists and removing it only then instead of removing the rmdir call?
[07:28] <porthose> Ok sounds good
[07:28] <porthose> will rework things
[07:28] <dholbach> great
[07:28] <dholbach> ping me once you changed it and I'll give it a go
[07:28] <porthose> sure will thanks :)
[07:28] <dholbach> anytime
[07:34]  * iulian wonders if the archive admins will close the bugs from the list before Beta Release.
[07:36] <slangasek> "the list"?
[07:37] <iulian> slangasek: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive
[07:41] <slangasek> mostly not.  Is there a specific bug on the list that should be addressed before beta?
[07:45] <iulian> slangasek: bug 274276. Some users already mailed the upstream saying that the current version doesn't work. The fixed version is already in Debian so all we need is to sync with. For Ubuntu users I have set up a PPA with the fixed version but I'd like to see it fixed in the repo too because I'm sure that we don't want useless packages in the archive.
[07:47] <slangasek> that could be done, because it's not on the critical path for beta; but /because/ it's not on the critical path for beta, it's also probably not a priority for the archive admins over the next two days...
[07:51]  * Hobbsee wonders why htey don't just manually sync it
[07:56] <porthose> dholbach: ping  New deb.diff for Bug #248216 :)
[07:56] <dholbach> porthose: will take a look at it in a bit
[07:57] <iulian> slangasek: Ah, OK, I didn't know that they will look at sync requests after the Beta is released.
[07:57] <porthose> Thanks :)
[07:58]  * NCommander sets the Shadows on vorian
[07:58] <NCommander> argh
[07:58] <NCommander> Autocomplete screws me over again
[08:31] <dholbach> porthose: replied
[08:33] <porthose> Thanks will make those changes :)
[08:39] <dholbach> ROCK
[08:40] <BugMaN> hi dholbach, you see our photos from ubuntu-it meeting ?
[08:42] <dholbach> BugMaN: in your blog? yeah - looks like you got a lot of people together
[08:43] <BugMaN> dholbach: yep :)
[09:05] <porthose> dholbach:  changes made :)  Bug #248216
[09:33] <dholbach> porthose: updated
[09:39] <porthose> dholbach: Thanks :)
[09:40] <dholbach> anytime
[09:41] <huats> morning everyone :)
[09:41] <huats> hey dholbach and porthose
[09:44] <dholbach> hiya huats
[09:52] <porthose> huats: hi ya huats
[09:54] <porthose> g'night all
[10:03] <bmm> This must be the most commen question ever, but: I did a dput revu ccbuild_1.5.7_source.changes and have "Successfully.." lines in my .upload file. What could have gone wrong?
[10:04] <bmm> (Oh, I uploaded yesterday, so it did have some time to update)
[10:09] <bmm> Oh, wait. Maybe merging my accounts was needed _before_ I upload a new package. I'll try again. Thanx!
[10:11] <wgrant> bmm: You should just have needed to log in.
[10:11] <bmm> wgrant: hmm... then maybe something else went wrong. I've done a new upload by removing my .upload and doing dput on the source.changes again.
[10:11] <wgrant> bmm: I can reprocess the existing upload if you want.
[10:11] <wgrant> I'll see what goes wrong.
[10:13] <bmm> wgrant: Cool. The new dput was done minutes ago, so it may take some time to show up. Maybe this second one will be successfull. The full package name is ccbuild and it's a new upstream 1.5.7
[10:13] <wgrant> bmm: That worked.
[10:13] <bmm> wgrant: Cool, thanx!
[10:13] <wgrant> bmm: I just reprocessed the existing upload, and it worked fine.
[10:13] <wgrant> New upstream versions shouldn't be on REVU.
[10:14] <bmm> ah, must have been some kind of thing with the login or merge. I've been out of revu for quite some time ;)
[10:14] <bmm> Ah.. new policies. I'm feeling old already :P Where should they go, where can I read up on the new way to handle this?
[10:15] <wgrant> Well, firstly... why do we want this new upstream version?
[10:16] <bmm> wgrant: It supports spaces instead of tabs in the configuration file, which is a new feature people like
[10:16] <wgrant> We're well past FF, so we need a good reason.
[10:16] <wgrant> That doesn't sound like a particularly compelling nor safe new feature.
[10:16] <bmm> wgrant: Oh, I'm not pushing this for intrepid.
[10:16] <bmm> Sorry for that
[10:16] <wgrant> Ah.
[10:16] <wgrant> You'll need to wait for Jaunty to open, then.
[10:16] <wgrant> But https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/PackageUpdate is the documentation you want.
[10:17] <bmm> wgrant: I just got a new version and decided to get the package quality tested again. I'm thinking about moving it to debian, but for that I decided to first go through revu again.
[10:17] <bmm> wgrant: np, I'll wait :D
[10:43] <k0p> james_w, there?
[10:45] <james_w> hey k0p
[10:46] <k0p> james_w, yeah, there're a mistake in upstream.
[10:50] <james_w> k0p: cool, have you notified them?
[10:50] <k0p> james_w, in some minutes it will be fix.
[10:51] <james_w> k0p: cool, point me to the commit in trac and I will upload :-)
[10:53] <k0p> james_w, http://trac.umitproject.org/changeset/3743
[10:54] <james_w> k0p: uploaded, thanks for your contribution
[10:55] <k0p> thanks for your help too. And now
[10:55] <k0p> ?
[10:55] <k0p> It will be apply on universe?
[10:56] <james_w> it will hit the queue in a moment, and then someone will click the button to approve it shortly, it will be built, and then be available
[10:56] <k0p> ok :)
[10:56] <k0p> need I do something more?
[10:57] <k0p> in LP or something else?
[10:58] <james_w> k0p: no, it should all be automatic
[10:58] <k0p> ok :)
[10:58] <k0p> thanks.
[10:58] <k0p> now I have to go
[10:58] <k0p> Cya later. :)
[10:58] <james_w> bye
[12:17] <amarillion> Hey
[12:17] <amarillion> I think I fixed a bug in avant-window-navigator. Could somebody guide me with submitting the patch?
[12:18] <amarillion> I'm trying to create a debdiff but the diff I get contains way more than what I changed
[12:26] <amarillion> Here is what I did:
[12:27] <amarillion> sudo apt-get build-dep avant-window-navigator; apt-get source avant-window-navigator
[12:27] <amarillion> ... fix bug ...
[12:27] <amarillion> debuild -b
[12:27] <amarillion> test
[12:27] <amarillion> debuild -S
[12:27] <amarillion> debdiff *.dsc
[12:27] <amarillion> but the resulting diff contains way more changes than I made
[12:29] <azeem> what kind of changes?
[12:29] <amarillion> Well, I added one line to the code
[12:29] <amarillion> And I updated debian/changelog
[12:29] <amarillion> This is the way I should do it, right?
[12:30] <azeem> sure, what kind of changes are there /additionally/ than to what you expect?
[12:33] <amarillion> Is there a place where I can paste it?
[12:34] <azeem> paste.ubuntu.com, I guess
[12:34] <amarillion> nm, it's here: http://pastebin.bafserv.com/2690
[12:34] <amarillion> The changes I made are only line 6-11 and 247-8
[12:36] <azeem> looks like the rest are generated source files with some hashes in it
[12:37] <amarillion> Hmm so it's not my debdiff usage, the package is just not cleaning up after itself?
[12:37] <amarillion> I'll can edit the patch manually I guess
[12:38] <azeem> I'm not sure what those .desktop changes are about, check debian/rules whether it is mucking with that
[12:41] <amarillion> It doesn't look like. I'm not sure though, it's cdbs and I'm not at all familiar with that
[13:13] <amarillion> ok, I just solved it by doing it all again without building the binary, so it doesn't get messed up. Thanks for the help azeem
[13:23] <weboide> Hi, I don't really know if that'd be the place to ask, but I don't really know what to do, I did a package-update following the ubuntu wiki tutorial, and now I don't know if I should just post my .diff.gz as attachment to the bug report.
[14:04] <slytherin> superm1: just a quick note. do we plan to analyze rebuilds of any KDE packages related to bluetooth?
[14:18] <nxvl> for FFe de i need 1 or 2 ACK's?
[14:21] <james_w> nxvl: two
[14:23] <nxvl> james_w: thnks
[14:48] <superm1> slytherin, who normally handles the KDE stuff?
[15:01] <slytherin> superm1: no idea.
[15:02] <superm1> slytherin, we should have taken care of all packages that needed libbluetooth though
[15:02] <superm1> slytherin, so anything left would be userspace app
[15:03] <slytherin> hmm, what about indirect rdepends i.e. some kde app which depends on libbtctl
[15:03] <slytherin> oops, I meant reverse-builde-depends
[15:06] <directhex> do userspace apps change?
[15:26] <superm1> slytherin, well it certainly wouldn't hurt to investigate
[15:26] <superm1> slytherin, but the highest priority stuff is taken care of at least
[15:30] <norsetto> devfil_: around?
[15:30] <devfil_> norsetto: yes
[15:30] <devfil_> what's up?
[15:31] <norsetto> devfil_: can you check bug 273677?
[15:31] <norsetto> devfil_: what you did for wxwidgets2.8 also works here but I don't think its the good solution
[15:33] <devfil_> norsetto: so, what do you think is the best solution that we should adopt?
[15:35] <norsetto> devfil_: no idea, we should ask to somebody who is knowledgeable about pycentral
[15:36] <norsetto> devfil_: the problem is that pycentral changed dir to /usr/share/pyshared, so, what is hardcoded in debian/rules doesn't work anymore
[15:36] <norsetto> devfil_: also, what I'm afraid of, is that what you did will break the alternative system
[15:36] <devfil_> norsetto: maybe building bitpim with wxwidgets2.8 is the best solution to do as it seems quite stable
[15:37] <norsetto> devfil_: well, the problem is also on other apps, not just bitpim, and its because of wxwidgets2.6
[15:37] <norsetto> devfil_: so, we have to correct the root cause, not the symptoms ...
[15:38] <norsetto> devfil_: what we could do in intrepid is see if we can transition to wxwidget2.8 and drop 2.6 alltogether
[15:38] <norsetto> devfil_: I mean, in jaunty
[15:39] <devfil_> norsetto: is too late, we will do it in jaunty
[15:43] <devfil_> norsetto: at least we can install upstream wx.pth
[15:45] <norsetto> devfil_: upstream wx.pth is exactly the same as the one we are supposed to install, its the install location the problem, and the way we install it now I think break the alternative system
[15:46] <devfil_> norsetto: uhm then we can try to patch sources in order to use wx.version(2.6) instead of import wx
[15:46] <norsetto> devfil_: asking to doko would be the best, he is unfortunately always rather busy
[15:47] <norsetto> devfil_: nope, we have to solve it in wxwidgets, 2.8 included
[15:48] <devfil_> norsetto: in 2.8 the bug is fixed, I've fixed it time ago
[15:48] <norsetto> devfil_: yes, but its not fixed correctly (IMO)
[15:49] <devfil_> norsetto: why?
[15:49] <norsetto> devfil_: because of what I said already, that we are breaking the alternative system, the correct way is to change the hardcoded path in a pycentral compatible way
[15:51] <devfil_> norsetto: in 2.8 symlinks were the problem (as I remember right), there were no changes to other things
[15:52] <norsetto> devfil_: the way this package was made, was relying on pycentral installing things in certain places. pycentral changed those places, so we just have to follow suit
[15:53] <norsetto> devfil_: just find out where pycentral installs the pth files, and use that; to my knowledge it should be /usr/share/pyshared now
[15:55] <devfil_> norsetto: yes, it is
[15:56] <norsetto> devfil_: ok, lets try to modify the symlinks linking from /usr/lib/python2.[4,5]/site-packages/wx.pth so that they point there now and see if that works
[15:57] <norsetto> devfil_: you might jave to revert other changes you may have done to that rules though
[16:13] <amikrop> Hello. Can anybody suggest my a Python package that uses distutils and cdbs, and another which uses distutils and debhelper, to study?
[16:32] <amikrop> So, any python packages that use distutils and cdbs, or distutils and debhelper?
[16:40] <soren> amikrop: Plenty.
[16:42] <amikrop> soren: could you refer the names of some? :)
[16:42] <soren> amikrop: virt-manager
[16:43] <soren> amikrop: storm.
[16:43] <amikrop> soren: thank you
[16:43] <soren> amikrop: vm-builder
[16:43] <amikrop> soren: ok, thanks. but how could I search on my own for such packages?
[16:44] <soren> amikrop: Look through the Sources file in the archive for stuff that depends on cdbs and looks pythony.
[16:46] <amikrop> soren: aha :-)
[17:06] <ScottK> amikrop: stepic is a distutils/debhelper package and pyspf is a distutils/cdbs one that I've packaged.
[17:20] <norsetto> james_w: yes, its amd64
[17:20] <bddebian> Heya gang
[17:20] <norsetto> Heya bddebian
[17:21] <bddebian> Hi norsetto
[17:21]  * norsetto go have a snack
[17:22] <james_w> norsetto: thanks
[17:30] <norsetto> james_w: how can I make the url of a file which is hosted on bzr? Say, I have a branch called lp:~norsetto/+junk/main and there is a file foo in there
[17:32] <james_w> norsetto: I think there is a bug open saying you can't use lp: syntax to point to files within a branch. You have to expand the lp: bit first, and then add the file on to the end
[17:32] <james_w> norsetto: or are you interested in getting the loggerhead (web viewer) url of the file?
[17:33] <norsetto> like https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~norsetto/+junk/main/foo ? no, no, the loggerhead I see, its the real file I need
[17:34] <iulian> Hi
[18:12] <slytherin> superm1: there?
[18:13] <slytherin> persia: superm1: I just upgraded the bluez packages. But it seems service not started after the upgrade. Any idea where I can look for errors?
[18:13] <slytherin> The reason I think service is not started is because the applet didn't reappear in panel.
[18:44]  * ethana2 is inquiring on the status of GIMP 2.6 in backport repositories for ubuntu 8.04.1
[18:47] <ScottK> ethana2: It needs to get into Intrepid first.
[18:49] <slytherin> ethana2: GIMP is in main. you should probably be asking on #ubuntu-devel and you are unlikely to get an answer there as most of them are busy with intrepid beta preparation. :-)
[18:50] <jdong> yeah it's a bit too late.
[18:51] <slytherin> If I need to fix two packages to fix a bug, one of the packages in universe and other in main, should I do that through single bug?
[18:51] <slytherin> I mean single bug on launchpad?
[19:01] <nxvl> DktrKranz: you look like you want to give me the 2nd ACK on Bug #274173
[19:02] <Nafallo> Terminator!
[19:02]  * Nafallo looks for Ng
[19:03] <nxvl> Nafallo: :D
[19:12] <DktrKranz> nxvl, done ;)
[19:29] <ethana2> Oh yeah, quick note--  Inkscape isn't in main, but GIMP is?
[19:30] <ethana2> GIMP is on it's way to being more powerful than photoshop
[19:30] <ethana2> it's not exactly a toy anymore
[19:30] <ethana2> ....never underestimate the value of toys.
[19:30]  * ethana2 out
[19:30] <slytherin> ethana2: inkscape is in main
[19:37] <nxvl> DktrKranz: \o/
[19:37] <k0p> hi all
[19:37] <k0p> james_w, are you there?
[19:38]  * nxvl HUGS DktrKranz
[19:40] <DktrKranz> yay! my yarssr is back! \o/
[19:46] <superm1> slytherin, you have to reboot, or restart bluetooth-applet manually
[19:47] <slytherin> superm1: I did. Nothing works for me, even pairing doesn't work. Can't figure out what is wrong.
[19:48] <k0p> hi DktrKranz :)
[19:48] <nxvl> nixternal: you are planning to attend to UDS/FossCamp?
[19:48] <DktrKranz> heya k0p
[19:48] <superm1> slytherin, check if bluetoothd is running
[19:49] <superm1> slytherin, and what upgrade process did you come from/to ?
[19:49] <slytherin> superm1: I upgraded from intrepid. bluetoothd is running.
[19:49] <superm1> is bluetooth-applet running?
[19:49]  * nxvl waves on huats
[19:50] <huats> :)
[19:50] <superm1> slytherin, if it is running, try this.  stop the bluetooth service (/etc/init.d/bluetooth stop), and then start bluetoothd like this: sudo bluetoothd -nd
[19:50] <superm1> see that it registers the devices right
[19:51] <superm1> i just tested off an intrepid daily in live mode by adding the ppa a few hours ago with no issues...
[19:51] <slytherin> superm1: I know. It is working for everyone except for me. I am now trying what you told me
[19:52] <slytherin> superm1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52940/
[19:54] <superm1> slytherin, hum looks clean..
[19:54] <superm1> slytherin, okay with that in one terminal
[19:54] <superm1> slytherin, run bluetooth-applet under gdb
[19:55] <superm1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[19:55] <superm1> follow that for running it under gdb
[19:55] <superm1> make sure to kill any other running instances of it
[19:56] <nixternal> nxvl: yes, I should be at both
[19:56] <nxvl> nixternal: so i will finally meet you!
[19:56] <superm1> nixternal, really?
[19:56] <nixternal> you act like that is a good thing... superm1 knows me, he will tell you meeting me is the worst thing one could ever do :)
[19:57] <nixternal> superm1: yes really...you going?
[19:57] <superm1> nixternal, not sure yet
[19:57] <superm1> i'm hoping so
[19:57] <superm1> at least for UDS
[19:57] <nixternal> I am going to FOSSCamp for KDE and Cleversafe, and going to UDS to start whipping people into shape
[19:57] <slytherin> superm1: I haven't seen any crash. It is just that nothing works.
[19:57] <nxvl> nixternal: nah! i meet persia and suvived :D
[19:57] <nixternal> pressing for a REAL APPLIANCE DISTRO!!
[19:57]  * nxvl HUGS persia
[19:57] <nixternal> ya, I would be scared crapless to meet persia, he scares the hell out of me online
[19:57] <nixternal> ;)
[19:57] <superm1> i still think it was hilarious when we met persia and had no idea it was him for a bit
[19:58] <superm1> slytherin, that's really awfully odd
[19:58] <superm1> slytherin, this coming from a device that was working before i take it?
[19:58] <superm1> slytherin, what if you try to do a reset with hcitool?
[19:59] <slytherin> superm1: at least some part working.
[19:59] <nxvl> superm1: i was waiting for a japaneese looking guy, then saw him in the "internal" irc channel, ask him if he was already at the hotel, and then a guy come to my side and said "yes"
[20:00] <slytherin> superm1: here is log when initiating pairing from PC - http://paste.ubuntu.com/52942/
[20:01] <slytherin> damn, netsplit again
[20:11] <slytherin> superm1: pairing initiated from phone worked and device is bonded. But I can not send files in any direction. Even obex browsing from nautilus doesn't work. Meanwhile I saw this error in gdb session - g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed.
[20:29] <slytherin> RAOF: are you there? You offered to help test dvd playback fixes.
[20:54] <superm1> slytherin, well seeing a few of those in the gdb session isn't detrimental
[20:54] <superm1> slytherin, are you only experimenting with the phone?
[20:55] <superm1> slytherin, or input devices too?
[22:02] <goshawk> if someone has free time
[22:02] <goshawk> can he review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=dsss ?
[23:08] <superm1> ScottK, do you have bluetooth devices in any of your machines?  slytherin had brought up a point related to bug 274950 that we should have some KDE folk weigh in, and nixternal recommended asking you
[23:14] <nixternal> superm1: you could also ask sispoty if he was around :)
[23:15] <nixternal> I have a few pints calling me from the Elephant and Castle pub on Lake and Wabash
[23:15] <superm1> i suppose I could also pass a testing request to ubuntu-devel
[23:48] <ogra> superm1, i have a GPS reciever, a heaset and will get a freedom keyboard tomorros and was planning to do some BT tesing after beta
[23:48] <ogra> (since i'm intrested in working BT for the ubuntu-mobile image)
[23:49] <superm1> ogra, well please do use that PPA for now then, the intent is to bring all that in after beta provided no big regressions are seen
[23:49] <ogra> i will
[23:49] <superm1> ogra, the gnome stack appears to be in good shape
[23:49] <ogra> but not today anymore (1am here)
[23:50] <superm1> ogra, as for your headset, after you pair, you won't see a proper ALSA "card", but rather another "device"
[23:50] <ogra> well, the current setup sucks
[23:50] <ogra> even my n800 works better
[23:50] <superm1> so it won't show up in apps that show cards
[23:50] <superm1> but for example aplay can use aplay -D headset FILE
[23:50] <superm1> or mplayer has -ao=device=headset
[23:50] <superm1> or similar
[23:50] <ogra> well, i would be happy to see *any* dveice at al
[23:50] <ogra> l
[23:50] <superm1> :)
[23:51] <ogra> i cant even pair with anything with the current BT in intrepid


[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:19] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:11] <trinikrono> alo o/
[11:13] <paultag> dholbach: RE yesterday, I only saw you asking about the w.u.c/BuildingCommunity/RunningReleaseParty after you left -- despite the clunky name, that's the current link
[11:13] <dholbach> paultag, excellent - thanks :)
[11:13] <dholbach> I linked to in my development update blogpost
[11:13] <paultag> ah, sure sure
[11:53] <mhall119> bonjour and good morning
[12:46] <mhall119> hey paultag, did you see http://www.stgraber.org/2011/09/08/install-multiple-version-of-the-same-package-and-avoid-filesystem-conflicts/
[12:49] <paultag> mhall119: no, but it looks cute
[12:54] <mhall119> stgraber does some cool stuff
[13:13] <head_victim> Anyone already aware of some loco.u.c meetings that occured in the past having duplicated the agenda?
[13:16] <mhall119> head_victim: yes
[13:16] <mhall119> I sent a couple emails to loco-contacts about it
[13:16] <head_victim> Ah not actual meetings, agenda items within the one meeting
[13:16] <head_victim> Unless I read the email wrong
[13:16] <mhall119> we lost about a week's worth of data, and when restorting it some things were duplicated
[13:17] <head_victim> I figured it would be related. Sorry I thought it only duped meetings and events not items within the one event. It's no biggie just was asked the question so I thought I'd confirm it.
[13:17] <mhall119> ok


[00:02] <valorie> !eol points to a rather useless page -- that seems a recent change
[00:02] <valorie> !eol
[00:03] <k1l> ?
[00:03] <valorie> last guide given:
[00:03] <valorie> Instructions for specific upgrades
[00:03] <valorie> Oneiric 11.10 to Precise 12.04
[00:03] <valorie> very outdated page
[00:03] <k1l> yeah, the method is still the same.
[00:03] <k1l> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Upgrading
[00:05] <valorie> certainly but either the page should be updated, given the knowledge base of the people asking
[00:05] <valorie> or we should just point to the release sched or so
[00:05] <k1l> imho the basic section on that page is just fine.
[00:06] <valorie> ok
[00:06] <k1l> "To begin the upgrade, make sure you have a sources.list like the following, with CODENAME being your release, e.g. quantal. "
[00:06] <k1l> its generic.
[00:07] <k1l> one could remove the form ubutnu 4.04 to 4.10 links at the bottom since they are useless.
[00:07] <valorie> the Releases page has some confusing data too: 14.04.03 is eol in Aug 2016?
[00:07] <k1l> the hardware enablement stack, yes.
[00:07] <valorie> while .01 is 2029
[00:07] <valorie> I mean 2019
[00:08] <k1l> 14.04.3 was installed with a kernel (the 15.04 backports kernel) that is not LTS and will be dropped then.
[00:08] <k1l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2BAC8-Support.A14.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support   this is meant
[00:09] <valorie> got it
[00:09] <valorie> that date should maybe be starred in the table and explained
[00:09] <k1l> expect a lot of people asking because they will get a "please update" message around that time :/
[00:14] <valorie> yeah
[00:14] <valorie> and I hope they will
[00:14] <valorie> the future is good
[00:15] <k1l> but first prepare for people asking ehy the upgrade 14.04 to 16.04 doesnt work :)
[00:16] <k1l> (the LTS upgrade is officially opened when 16.04.1 is released)
[00:16] <valorie> yup, that always confuses people
[14:02] <Pici> ugh, BluesKaj
[14:03] <k1l_> i dont know what is going on with him today. i dont recall him giving such advices to use daily builds
[14:38] <bazhang> all fixes sound: remove pulse
[15:10] <Pici> remove ears
[15:12] <ikonia> thats a film isn't it
[15:12] <ikonia> "I don't want them to hear us"
[15:12] <ikonia> "remove their ears then"
[17:51] <genii> Hm, !final isn't quite accurate
[17:52] <dax> !final
[17:52] <Pici> why not/
[17:52] <genii> LTS-LTS available when point release comes
[17:52] <dax> umm, what does LTS->LTS have to do with beta->final
[17:52] <genii> so 16.04.1, which is not when it comes out in April, but later on, like June-July normally
[17:52] <genii> Oh, nvm
[17:53] <genii> Need more caffeine today :(
[17:53] <dax> my coworker just got 240mg of caffeine in jamba juice boosts, try thatr
[17:53] <dax> i think he's vibrating right now
[17:53] <genii> heh
[21:45] <k1l_> mosene: hi
[21:45] <Pici> bye
 k1l_: i was curios, sorry :(
[21:46] <Pici> :)
[21:46] <k1l_> seems like i scared him


[18:03] <bobweaver> is there something wrong with the staging server I can not connect to it too get upgrades on the software
[18:14] <popey> bobweaver, staging server?
[18:14] <bobweaver> yeah
[18:14] <popey> can you be more specific
[18:15] <bobweaver> sure
[18:15] <bobweaver> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity-team/staging/ubuntu quantal main
[18:15] <popey> what problem are you getting?
[18:15] <popey> http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity-team/staging/ubuntu loads in a browser
[18:15] <bobweaver> 404
[18:15]  * popey feels like it's getting blood from a stone
[18:15] <popey> what url gives you 404?
[18:16] <bobweaver> hange on lets me make a long thing of what is going on
[18:16] <popey> can you pastebin the error perhaps?
[18:18] <bobweaver> so When I woke up I sis like I always do look for updates to unity  and upgrade my software. But today I like most days I seen that in the staging server things have changed so I wanted to get thous changes and so I ran a upgrade but the stagging server (ppa) keeps saying that I am getting 404 on request to the staging server
[18:18] <bobweaver> Sure I will pastebinit
[18:20] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1209451/
[18:20] <popey> you probably want to just do a "sudo apt-get update" and then upgrade again
[18:20] <bobweaver> Yeah I gave that a shot
[18:21] <bobweaver> I can connect to get upgraded bzr but have to compile all
[18:21]  * popey takes a look
[18:21] <bobweaver> it is weired that I can connct via bzr but not https
[18:21] <bobweaver> or what ever is used to connect to DB with apt
[18:21] <popey> you are connecting via https fine
[18:22] <popey> 404 doesn't mean "can't connect"
[18:22] <bobweaver> Oh
[18:22]  * bobweaver ducks
[18:22] <popey> i would do "sudo apt-get update" again
[18:22] <bobweaver> I will try sure
[18:23] <popey> hmm, packages haven't updated for some hours
[18:24] <bobweaver> it was compiz I think
[18:25] <bobweaver> popey,  it connected Oo and is working
[18:25] <bobweaver> sorry to waste time
[18:25] <bobweaver> but thanks a bunch :)