[18:43] <OvenWerks> Anyone who likes packaging: getting the latest DrumGizmo through debian (even just into Studio PPA) would be worthwhile. The latest version uses less than 2.5G of ram to load :) For those running 4G ram or less this is an issue.
[18:44] <OvenWerks> Also, getting AVLdrums.LV2 into Studio would be nice.
[18:44] <OvenWerks> (I don't know if it is a part of x42 plugins or not)
[18:46] <OvenWerks> For those watching -controls. There is another new version up. but for some reason it doesn't seem to install /etc/xdg/autostart/autojack.desktop
[19:28] <krytarik> OvenWerks: Add "etc/" to here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-controls/trunk/view/head:/debian/ubuntustudio-controls.install
[19:30] <krytarik> And by that I mean in a separate line below.
[19:36] <krytarik> Or above. :P
[19:43] <OvenWerks> Cool, I will try that. Thank you.
[20:56] <OvenWerks> krytarik: I have another try in the loop, I don't know how often the auto build happens though.
[21:05] <krytarik> OvenWerks: Automatically, no earlier than 24 hours after the last build, but you can request "Build now" here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+recipe/ubuntustudio-controls-daily
[22:23] <OvenWerks> Thanks, The only way I can test installs is with a build.
[23:20] <OvenWerks> Ok all, ubuntustudio-controls pre1.5 (140) is available for testing.
[23:22] <OvenWerks> The audio section is mostly complete. Auto connecting hot plugged USB devices does not work at this time. (meens I have not yet started on it)
[23:25] <OvenWerks> The GUI is still getting tweaked... it will be 1/4 (or it is 1/3 bigger now) smaller tomorrow.
[23:26] <OvenWerks> Giving full names to the audio devices expanded the GUI width quite a bit.
[23:45] <OvenWerks> I am trying to make the GUI easier to understand :/ not my best thing. I have already added some text to add and remove (Add (Available) and Remove (Connected))
[23:47] <OvenWerks> The Apply button can be either renamed to "Save settings" or it can also do a jack restart.
[23:51] <OvenWerks> Things to try: create a new user and make sure you get a big red warning when starting -controls as the new user. click the fix button and the message should change to tell you to logout/in. logout/in and the red message should be gone. This should work on another flavour even if jackd is not installed.


[08:29] <kalikiana> t1mp: Review? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/visualGallery/+merge/296680 That's, as discussed, the gallery for browsing the unit tests, but this time just added to the existing tests/unit/visual and filtering for 1.3
[08:31] <t1mp> kalikiana: ok
[10:03] <t1mp> kalikiana: I commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/visualGallery/+merge/296680
[10:04] <t1mp> kalikiana: also CI failed for ARM... but it failed because of java.io.EOFException so I doubt it is caused by your changes.
[10:05] <kalikiana> t1mp: "becomes" blue makes no sense to me. all I'm doing is onClicked and it's the same as it was before, I copied the code from the old MR
[10:06] <kalikiana> And what name, if gallery.sh may not be the best one?  It's not random because I tested that those tests work. Cleaning up our naming would be a good next step independent from this gallery.
[10:08] <kalikiana> (I'm replying to all of this in the MR also, just saying here for convenicne)
[10:11] <t1mp> kalikiana: so you selected a random subset of all tests, and verified that the random subset works :)
[10:12] <t1mp> kalikiana: how do you propose we add more tests after we test them, by renaming the test files?
[10:14] <t1mp> kalikiana: alternatively, we could list all filenames explicitly and add to that list
[10:14] <t1mp> but that's a bit annoying
[10:16] <kalikiana> t1mp: (Afaia) All new tests for some time now have a 13  suffix, and pretty much anything 1.3 can work
[10:16] <kalikiana> We just need to be sure we do that consistently and possibly rename existing ones that have no suffix
[10:17] <kalikiana> The subset is "1.3" really, not special criteria
[10:17] <kalikiana> And two tests I patched because they didn't show anything - but they still should be improved with actual manual testing in mind
[10:18] <kalikiana> I don't want to rewrite all tests in this MR
[10:22] <kalikiana> t1mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/visualGallery/+merge/296680/comments/762457
[10:24] <t1mp> kalikiana: you didn't miss maybe one or two tests. I already gave a list of 7 that were missed, and I didn't go through the list to check which other tests should be added
[10:25] <kalikiana> t1mp: You have a list? Where?
[10:25] <kalikiana> It doesn't change my point, though
[10:25] <t1mp> in the inline comment "Plenty of (new) tests do not have 13 in the name, like actionbar, adaptivepagelayout, listitem, header, pageheader, sections, toolbar,..."
[10:26] <kalikiana> Are all of them 1.3?
[10:26] <t1mp> we are not using the 13 suffix for new tests, only when there are multiple versions of a component with different versions
[10:27] <kalikiana> We should fix that then :-)
[10:27] <kalikiana> Not having a suffix is confusing, without anything relying on the name
[10:27] <kalikiana> Once we go to 1.4 this will be a mess
[10:28] <t1mp> kalikiana: ok, the list I gave was just a quick list of tests that I noticed. listitem is actually 1.2, and toolbar does not exist. The rest is 1.3 and maybe there are more
[10:28] <t1mp> kalikiana: okay
[10:28] <t1mp> kalikiana: I propose to suffixe the old tests (with 10, 11, 12) too then
[10:28] <t1mp> *suffix
[10:30] <t1mp> we better do that in a separate MR, since it may require some changes in the code (for example if we also decide to rename MockKeyboard.qml to MockKeyboard12.qml)
[10:30] <kalikiana> t1mp: Are you fine with my doing that in a separate branch? Then I'll add a suffix to all tests that have none
[10:30] <t1mp> yes
[10:30] <kalikiana> Yeah, MockKeyboard should also get the suffix
[10:31] <t1mp> there may be more
[10:31] <t1mp> kalikiana: ok, about the "blue" of the listitem, I have something similar with the gallery
[10:31] <t1mp> so the component gallery
[10:31] <t1mp> hmz
[10:32] <t1mp> kalikiana: what about tests-gallery.sh ?
[10:32] <t1mp> although it is already in the test directory..
[10:34] <kalikiana> t1mp: Yeah, I thought the same. And it is a "gallery" same as the component gallery
[10:34] <kalikiana> They do the same thing, just different audience
[10:35] <t1mp> I guess I should blame qtc for my issue with identical filenames (it shows the beginning of the path, not the end, so with ctrl+K I don't see which file I will be opening)
[10:37] <t1mp> kalikiana: happroved
[11:35] <kalikiana> t1mp: Turns out the AdaptivePageLayout actually works nicely in itself :-D


[06:35] <didrocks> good morning
[07:01] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:05] <duflu> Morning didrocks and oSoMoN
[07:06] <didrocks> hey duflu, oSoMoN
[07:16] <jibel_> Good morning all
[07:20] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, salut didrocks & jibel_
[07:22] <duflu> Morning jibel_
[08:15] <KGB-2> gnome-shell-extension-harddisk-led Jonathan Carter 328693 * commented merge request !3 * https://deb.li/3nS9i
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[16:06] <KGB-2> ESoupAuthBearer: Check for token expiration in e_soup_auth_bearer_is_authenticated()
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[16:26] <schopin> jbicha: Hi :). Since you're familiar with the package, could you please have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1983859 and my proposed fix for it? TIA :)
[16:28] <jbicha> schopin: that patch makes sense to me. Thank you!
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[17:15] <sil2100> Hello desktop! Can I get some testing of the 20220809.1 hacky-hacky images please?
[17:23] <nteodosio> Hey sil2100, what is that? Is it 22.04.1?
[17:24] <nteodosio> Ah that is it, Ubuntu Desktop amd64: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/437/builds
[17:24] <sil2100> Yes!
[17:24] <sil2100> I'd like to know if I didn't break anything while applying fixes
[17:35] <sil2100> Okay, Kubuntu repacked, syncing mirrors
[17:36] <sil2100> Once 09.1 appears for Kubuntu, could someone try it out and see if I didn't totally break something by accident?
[17:36] <sil2100> I'll continue with mate
[17:37] <sil2100> ...okay, wrong channel, please ignore!
[18:25] <sil2100> Hey! Can someone with Nvidia hardware try the 20220809.1 desktop image?
[18:25] <sil2100> Since I'm hearing bad news about it still
[19:03] <nteodosio> sil2100 I`ll test that one
[19:12] <nteodosio> sil2100, step 6: "A checkbox 'Configure Secure Boot' with 2 password fields are displayed". This doesn`t happen to me. Should I continue the test?
[19:13] <sil2100> nteodosio: oh, are you testing on legacy BIOS?
[19:13] <nteodosio> Not sure, how can I tell?
[19:14] <nteodosio> I had UEFI with secure enabled, though this one was greyed out
[19:21] <nteodosio> sil2100, Yeah I set admin password on BIOS as a post advised, and secure boot was not greyed out anymore; No 2 password fields nonetheless
[19:22] <sil2100> nteodosio: you are testing Ubuntu Desktop, right?
[19:23] <nteodosio> Yes
[19:23] <nteodosio> 20220809.1 to be precise
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[00:06] <gaughen> jcastro, a bit of a delayed response here but yes I've pointed the team to the list and we'll try to tackle some of that list.. it's quite a backlog!
[01:11] <lakin> sarnold: was it you who helped me earlier? If it was, we switched from mod_wsgi to mod_proxy + gunicorn and the issue went away
[01:11] <lakin> I suspect we misconfigured mod_wsgi somehow
[01:12] <sarnold> lakin: excellent, thanks :)
[01:13] <sarnold> bugger about mod_wsgi; if you've got time / inclination, a bug report might be nice.
[01:13] <lakin> If I can find time, I'll see what I can figure out about why it wasn't working. I've had good luck with mod_wsgi before
[01:13] <sarnold> great, thanks
[01:13] <sarnold> I've only ever dealt with it in test suites where it was bloody frustrating, but I can't pin that entirely on mod_wsgi; at least django and apache share some blame there. hehe. :)
[01:14] <lakin> sarnold: yes, yes they do
[01:14] <lakin> If only we lived in world with perfect tools
[01:14] <sarnold> lakin: then we could spend all our time sipping tasty beverages on the beach!
[01:14] <sarnold> while our computers do all the work! haha!
[01:14] <lakin> exactly
[01:15] <sarnold> oh well, glad you guys figured out how to move forward )
[01:15] <lakin> Yeah, it's been a fun few days
[01:15] <Patrickdk> it seems like apache is moving to using mod_proxy more, than mod_wscgi/fcgi/...
[01:16] <Patrickdk> now if I could figure out this rabbitmq bit :)
[01:16] <Patrickdk> (people haven't emailed me the login or hostname info to locate it yet)
[01:16] <sarnold> more leafy greens, I think rabbits like those :)
[01:16] <lakin> I've used RabbitMQ to pretty good effect recently
[01:16] <Patrickdk> and for some reason it's running on windows, and I don't have login info for that either
[01:16] <lakin> Having a distributed task queue system setup in your env can be quite good
[01:17] <Patrickdk> I'm lazy :)
[01:17] <Patrickdk> I use mysql tables for that :)
[01:17] <lakin> Using MySQL at this point in my career always sounds like the option with more work
[01:17] <Patrickdk> depends :)
[01:17] <Patrickdk> my needs are simple
[01:17] <Patrickdk> and I need mysql for other things
[01:18] <Patrickdk> seems pointless to setup something else, learn it, and then only use 2 queues on it
[01:18] <lakin> There is definitely something to be said about separating out your app code from your battle-tested front-facing web server.
[01:18] <Patrickdk> and then have to maintain it
[01:18] <lakin> It's much more likely you made a mistake than it is
[01:18] <Patrickdk> heh?
[01:18] <Patrickdk> front facing web server?
[01:18] <lakin> That's a good part of the reason why people move to mod_proxy
[01:18] <Patrickdk> what does this have to do with a webserver?
[01:18] <lakin> Apache2 + mod_proxy as your front end server
[01:18] <Patrickdk> oh, that
[01:19] <lakin> in a separate process/memory space
[01:19] <lakin> Sorry, two conversation
[01:19] <lakin> s
[01:19] <Patrickdk> ya, I got 3 layers going on like that :)
[01:19] <Patrickdk> apache proxy/mod_security -> apache/fcgi/....
[01:19] <Patrickdk> use the front one for loadbalancing/failover/security checks
[01:20] <Patrickdk> and then the backends
[01:20] <Patrickdk> or guess, middleware
[01:20] <Patrickdk> whatever the current term is :)
[01:20] <lakin> I thought your needs were simple?
[01:20] <lakin> ;)
[01:20] <Patrickdk> those where *customer* needs, not mine :)
[01:20] <lakin> *grin*
[01:20] <Patrickdk> we get payed more by overengineering it
[01:35] <lakin> in any case, thanks again. Later.
[01:42] <Quoexl> Hi guys, got a strange thing going on, I have an Amd x2 machine with both a nvidia network card and a marvell network card, neither will catch dhcp on install of 12.04 server, just to test the network cards I installed windows and both work properly. this machine ran 12.04 server unattended for the last 4 months at my shop now I bring it home and nuttin
[02:11] <pmatulis> Quoexl: are you installing using the exact same ISO as before?
[02:16] <Quoexl> well I dont really know, I pulled it down from ubuntu
[02:16] <Quoexl> could the 12.04.5 be doing this to me?
[02:27] <pmatulis> Quoexl: could be a regression, yes
[02:28] <pmatulis> Quoexl: try using an older 12.04 ISO
[02:29] <pmatulis> Quoexl: stupidly, the original one is no longer found on the main mirrors.  the last time i checked you could only get it from oldreleases.ubuntu.com or whatever it's called
[02:31] <Quoexl> pmatulis: download already in progress, I KNOW this is the problem
[02:31] <Quoexl> I was trying to install 12.04.5
[02:31] <pmatulis> Quoexl: ok good.  lemme know what happens
[02:32] <Quoexl> itll be about half an hour if youre still around
[02:32] <pmatulis> Quoexl: i'll be here
[02:32] <sarnold> the original 12.04 has been moved off the main mirrors? annoying..
[02:33] <pmatulis> sarnold: indeed, especially for a supported ISO, until 2017
[02:33] <sarnold> pmatulis: yeah, that's the only way to get e.g. virtualbox to work on 12.04; it shouldn't be so hidden..
[02:33] <pmatulis> sarnold: mentioned it, got a shrug
[02:34] <sarnold> gah..
[02:36] <Quoexl> this just in 12.04.5 dropped the drivers for my network cards
[02:36] <pmatulis> Quoexl: tested already?
[02:36] <Quoexl> google
[02:36] <pmatulis> k
[02:37] <pmatulis> Quoexl: nvidia and marvell on a server?
[02:37] <Quoexl> the cards are good, I installed winders and they work
[02:37] <Quoexl> its a kinda sorta server
[02:37] <pmatulis> ha ha
[02:38] <Quoexl> its got 4tb raided in it, so fileserver duty it is
[02:38] <Quoexl> which is actually 8tb
[02:38] <Quoexl> thinking of putting owncloud back on it
[02:45] <Quoexl> ok going to test the theory now
[02:46] <pmatulis> s/theory/hypothesis
[02:47] <pmatulis> ;)
[02:57] <Quoexl> there's a knot in my string theory
[02:57]  * pmatulis listening
[02:57] <Quoexl> still no dhcp on either card
[02:59] <pmatulis> hmm, check the status of the cards by getting into a console
[02:59] <sarnold> nuts, I liked that theory^Whypothesis :)
[02:59] <Quoexl> I'm just trying to install, it crashes at apt
[03:00] <Quoexl> this is driving me to drink
[03:05] <Quoexl> I'm about to go at the innerds of this computer with hedge clippers
[03:35] <samba35> i am trying to configure ethernet card with pci passthrough on kvm when i try to detach card i am geting this message/error   -------error: Failed to detach device pci_0000_07_02_0
[03:35] <samba35> error: Operation not supported: neither VFIO nor KVM device assignment is currently supported on this system
[03:50] <hamnstar_> hello server folk
[03:50] <hamnstar_> I'm having some issues updating slapd due to some custom objectClass / attributes... the postinstall script fails specifically.  anyone here handy? (the #openldap people seem dormant tonight)
[04:22] <pmatulis> hamnstar_: best is to pastebin details of these custom objectClasses and their attributes, and related schemas
[04:44] <hamnstar_> pmautils: thanks, i did mange to get it working by copying over all of the slapd.d contents into a new install
[09:43] <lordievader> JediMaster: Sounds like fun, but it ain't too obvious from an attackers POV?
[10:26] <JediMaster> lordievader: it's just yet another php script running in cron, and it runs every 5 minutes, so it's unlikely it would be noticed, at least in time for it not to notice that the files had been comprimised
[10:27] <JediMaster> also doesn't need to be run as root
[11:39] <Remie> Somebody available to help me with dspam?, running 14.10 server and i cant install it, I looked at launchpad and it says status deleted, why?
[11:42] <lordievader> Remie: Perhaps because there is no upstream?
[11:43] <lordievader> Remie: There is a utopic bzr though: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/utopic/dspam/utopic
[13:36] <derrum> Hello, i can not boot onto my server anymore but i can access the server over a rescue system. I have to switch grub back to a working kernel how can i do that when the system is offline so iu can not use update-grub?
[14:11] <Patrickdk> heh? changing kernels has nothing to do with update-grub
[14:11] <Patrickdk> you just select the other kernel from the grub boot meneu
[14:14] <derrum> There is no grub boot menu
[14:17] <Patrickdk> if there isn't, then changing the kernel won't do any good
[14:17] <Patrickdk> cause you can't do that, till you get to the grub menu
[14:17] <Patrickdk> so you need to fix grub first
[14:18] <Patrickdk> so your issue is probably not the kernel
[14:19] <derrum> The system is offline i work on it over a rescue system. I need to change a grub setting on the offline system and it needs to take the setting over when i bring it online again
[14:19] <Patrickdk> that makes no sense
[14:19] <Patrickdk> settings?
[14:19] <Patrickdk> changing grub settings won't help at all
[14:19] <Patrickdk> if you don't get the grub menu
[14:19] <Patrickdk> no settings are required to get the grub menu
[14:20] <Patrickdk> and all settings can be changed from the grub menu
[14:20] <Patrickdk> therefor, your diagnostic conclusion of the issue, is incorrect
[14:25] <derrum> There is no grub boot menu where i could change anything
[14:26] <Patrickdk> if there isn't changing things in grub won't help or solve anything
[14:26] <Patrickdk> cause grub isn't starting
[14:27] <Patrickdk> if grub doesn't start, what help does changing it's settings do?
[14:28] <derrum> It is starting but its starting without showing a menu. It loads a kernel just a wrong one because the option says so.
[14:28] <Patrickdk> so the grub is starting and the menu does come up then?
[14:29] <Patrickdk> well, just boot it, adjust it, and continue on with life
[14:29] <Patrickdk> just change the settings in the menu, done
[14:52] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:19] <cpined> help.  I have an asus laptop.  I installed Unity desktop and everything was good.  I then decided to re-install ubuntu server on it instead and install the gnome desktop which I like but now my internet access fails after a minute or so.
[16:21] <cpined> The same server install on my desktop with a different GUI works fine.
[16:23] <lordievader> cpined: How was the internet before you installed Unity?
[16:24] <cpined> when I first installed unity months ago the internet access worked.  Yesterday I installed gnome and internet access fails.
[16:25] <cpined> But months ago I installed the normal Unbuntu desktop, yesterday I installed the Unbuntu server.
[16:27] <cpined> I really don't want to revert to the Ubuntu Desktop.
[16:27] <JanC> that is not really a server question; so beter ask it in the regular support channel, you'll find more people there to answer...
[16:27] <cpined> ok, thanks.
[16:47] <lordievader> cpined: If you installed the ubuntu-desktop package then there is no difference between what you have and the Ubuntu Desktop.
[18:26] <tomstorey> hi all, wonder if someone can help me ... i am trying to work out why my configuration in /etc/network/interfaces is seemingly being "ignored"
[18:27] <tomstorey> ubuntu 14.04 server
[18:27] <bekks> So pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces please
[18:29] <tomstorey> http://pastebin.com/7srXgV4X
[18:30] <tomstorey> primarily i am concerned with the ipv6 address
[18:30] <tomstorey> it doesnt seem to be configuring
[18:30] <bekks> Sorry, no clues about IPv6 here, I'm still happy with IPv4 :)
[18:31] <tomstorey> ok, so maybe you can help me a little still
[18:31] <tomstorey> the original version of my config had .1 as the ipv4 address
[18:31] <tomstorey> as a test i tried changing it to .2 as you see in the pastebin
[18:31] <tomstorey> but after doing an ifconfig down and ifconfig up it didnt change to .2
[18:31] <tomstorey> stays as .1
[18:32] <teward> you might need to reboot - i noticed that being the case on two 14.04 VMs which had their static addresses changed
[18:32] <teward> (shouldn't be the case, but sometimes is o.o)
[18:32] <bekks> ifdown, ifup, not ifconfig.
[18:32] <tomstorey> ifdown gives me "interface not configured"
[18:33] <bekks> Because it isnt.
[18:33] <bekks> Somethings wrong, thats why it isnt configured.
[18:33] <tomstorey> but it shows up when i run ifconfig? or do i misunderstand what configured means :)
[18:34] <bekks> ifconfig -a show all interfaces, regardless of their configuration state. ifdown/ifup will actually use the configuration given for shutting down/configuring an interface.
[18:36] <tomstorey> hmm ok
[18:36] <tomstorey> so i commented out all of the ipv6 config, and now it seems that ifdown/ifup work, and my new ip has taken effect
[18:36] <tomstorey> so its something related to the ipv6 config i guess
[18:42] <tomstorey> i think i may need to reboot this :-/
[18:42] <tomstorey> this isnt windows 95!
[18:47] <lordievader> tomstorey: Do you want to read a rant on why you shouldn't use ifconfig?
[18:48] <tomstorey> no? :)
[18:48] <lordievader> http://inai.de/2008/02/19
[18:50] <tomstorey> sorry i thought you were going to write one here :)
[18:50] <tomstorey> ive just discovered ip addr *
[18:50] <tomstorey> and i think i have managed to resolve my problem
[18:52] <tomstorey> using ip addr show i saw that the ipv4 address i was trying to configure was already configured
[18:53] <tomstorey> used ip addr del to remove it
[18:53] <tomstorey> ipv6 working :)
[19:02] <tomstorey> so i think it was getting stuck up trying to reconfigure an ip that was already in use, and just never getting to the ipv6 portion of it
[21:49] <lnxmen> hello
[21:49] <lnxmen> I have two servers - master and slave.
[21:50] <lnxmen> When I try to connect to MySQL database from master to slave, I get:
[21:50] <lnxmen> mysqli_connect(): (HY000/2013): Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 0
[21:50] <lnxmen> I added appropiate IPs to /etc/hosts.allow
[21:50] <lnxmen> And restarted network daemons.
[21:52] <bekks> And how did you configure the replication?
[22:01] <lnxmen> I used PHPFox - it has support for replication.
[22:01] <lnxmen> Sorry, for delay.
[22:03] <lnxmen> It's strange, because it worked properly yesterday.
[22:09] <lnxmen> Disk is full, that causes the problem.
[23:33] <lvmer> for /etc/network/interfaces  how many dns-nameservers can you specify?
[23:34] <bekks> lvmer: As many as you want, but more than three is pretty much pointless.
[23:34] <lvmer> had set it up with <IP_ADDRESS> years ago, but it seems really slow nowadays. pings at ~17ms, but the first ping takes like 5,000-10,000ms
[23:34] <lvmer> bekks thanks :)
[23:34] <bekks> ping is not a dns request :)
[23:35] <lvmer> true
[23:39] <lvmer> how is 14.04 and 14.10?
[23:39] <bekks> Good.
[23:40] <bekks> For a server, alsways use a LTS release.
[23:40] <lvmer> That's a good idea. I'm running 13.10 now. I just got the upgrade bug lol. Threw my bond0 out of loop lol. Should've stuck with 12.04 and gone straight to 14
[23:41] <lvmer> this way about a year ago lol
[23:41] <lvmer> or 6months? who knows
[23:42] <lvmer> I think I'm still on samba 3.6 or something, But smb4 was out like 2 years ago now right? I should upgrade?
[23:42] <bekks> You should update to s supported Ubuntu release, in first place.
[23:43] <lvmer> ^^ true.
[23:43] <lvmer> it's scary though. Isn't it?
[23:43] <bekks> Whats scary?
[23:44] <lvmer> I'm sorry, might come across as weird. But I'm a huge ubuntu noob. I learned it all like 2-4 years ago. Built a server and then let it pretty much coast. Naturally, as I don't work in IT, I forgot most of it
[23:44] <lvmer> :(
[23:44] <lvmer> I guess just run apt-get distro-update or something. Shouldn't I check like library or something first?
[23:45] <lvmer> you know, probably just link me a tutorial. I'll do it. why not.
[23:45] <bekks> !eolupgrade
[23:45] <bekks> And backup first:
[23:45] <bekks> !backup
[23:45] <lvmer> oh yah lol that's why I never did it
[23:45] <lvmer> backing up. haha. Cause I'd have to test restore first. ah O.O
[23:46] <bekks> What are you talking about, exactly?
[23:46] <bekks> Did you even read the articles given?
[23:47] <lvmer> reading.
[23:47] <lvmer> Was talking about testing the backup. I read you always should test a backup
[23:47] <lvmer> before trusting it
[23:47] <lvmer> as in "restoring"
[23:47] <lvmer> sorry for not being clear
[23:49] <lvmer> got to be honest, this community rocks. I've fixed a lot of problems reading these tutorials. Really well written.  Wish I had a partner in person or on raidcall/mumble and didn't have to read as much, but heck they are good.
[23:51] <lvmer> before I upgrade I wanted to test 1 more thing cause I received a disk error a week ago. What would be the best way to check a software raid 10 disk volume and possibly repair minor errors?  All information stored on the raid10 array is redundant. So just want to make sure any possible sectors are repaired. Losing small amounts of date during a repair is ok.


[08:51] <sgo11> hi, can anyone look at Bug #1115855 ? There is no keyboard indicator in gnome-shell with ibus. Thanks.
[08:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1115855 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "No Keyboard Indicator in gnome-shell with ibus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1115855
[15:58] <s9iper1> seb128
[15:58] <s9iper1> :
[15:58] <s9iper1> ping
[15:58] <s9iper1> the dvd is not mounting it shows an error
[17:15] <s9iper1> anybody  work on it
[17:15] <s9iper1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+bug/1153619
[17:15] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1153619 in modemmanager "i cant enable my wireless network with hardware button " [High,New]
[17:35] <s9iper1> cypermox: ping
[17:35] <s9iper1> cyphermox:ping
[18:18] <njin> Hallo guys, an easy to reproduce bgu, I only want to know if it is really a gnome-control-center bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1153349
[18:18] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1153349 in gnome-control-center "slider in sound control still captured" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:19] <njin> not at all sure that is only a g c c bug
[18:19] <njin> not reproducible in sound settings
[18:29] <om26er> njin, hey
[18:29] <njin> om26er, hi
[18:30] <om26er> njin, i have been a bit busy with other things over the past weeks and have not been able to do a bug day, but as you are interested in doing it do you think you will be able to announce a new bugday ?
[18:31] <njin> om26er, no, sorry
[18:31] <njin> Iv'e to talk with pedro_
[18:31] <om26er> njin, about what ?
[18:32] <om26er> njin, its mostly just announcing it on the list and changing a few wiki pages
[18:32] <om26er> i think someone wanted to lead the hugday on the mailing list
[18:33] <om26er> i read that a few weeks ago, i think he was the papercut guy
[18:34] <njin> chris wilson ?
[18:34] <njin> I clean out
[18:35] <njin> At least I can talk pedro_ to show me the workflow and some trick to pick up the bgus
[18:35] <njin> om26er:^^
[18:36] <njin> or if you have time....
[18:36] <om26er> njin, I could help in different ways but i have found out that it can be hard for me to do things on time, i am lazy
[18:37] <njin> lol
[18:38] <njin> so if you are in accord I can contact pedro_, as he offered himself to help
[18:43] <njin> pedro_: can you mentor me on hugdays resurrection ? so this is a good occasion to start the bugsquad-it project
[18:44] <njin> not now, I've to cook


[01:24] <john6> Mau: so have you lost your signal totally or what?
[14:48] <j-goose> Greetings, everybody. Good job on the website; I hadn't visited in a month or two and it looks really nice. I do have one concern though; the page for each set of features includes a very small subset of the actual software available, and no list or indication that there might be other software. The two things I noticed immediately are that
[14:48] <j-goose> Audacity isn't listed under audio and Kdenlive isn't listed under video. Is this simply because nobody has written finished the summary write-up, or was it a deliberate choice? Either way, it would be good to have a comprehensive list of features somewhere on the website or you risk loosing newcomers who would otherwise be interested. Keep up the
[14:48] <j-goose> good work!
[14:52] <j-goose> I'm also a bit confused by the summary line on the home page. In my mind it should read, "Ubuntu Studio provides a full range of multimedia content creation applications and is configured for best performance for each of our workflows: audio, graphics, video, photography, and publishing."
[14:53] <j-goose> (sorry if I should be posting this to #ubuntustudio-devel  instead) Since it's not about the actual OS I wasn't sure.
[14:55] <Eickmeyer> Annnnd not enough time to answer. *facepalm*
[15:09] <hi12345> Hi, I am going to install the beta new lts in my computer, although it is said that we may install the image on virtual machines. Few days ago I have installed the This is the latest regular 19.10 but, I had to tweak it because of the snd_intell soundcard that allways has interrfered with an external USB soundcard wiht modprobe and now the system doesn't recognize any other soundcard that the USB one that it is not what I want
[15:09] <hi12345> of the audio production. I can't  handle the problem  and I don't want to bother you supporting in this  crucial days wiht this so, my question is that installing the beta can harm my computer?
[15:10] <hi12345> anyway thanks for all your efforts, I really enjoy ubuntu studio
[15:12] <hi12345> may the force be with you. keep your head up keep your heart strong
[15:12] <hi12345>  thank you


[00:03] <keithzg> Although my issue may not be that. Hmm.
[00:07] <keithzg> Aha, I bet it's http://www.lornajane.net/posts/2008/Logrotate-Error-on-Ubuntu since the server in question recently ingested a dump from another one (so as to be used as the alternative backend for a sandbox wiki).
[01:07] <Guegs> Is there a way to completely remove the group from a directory? I want them completely gone, not just 700 permissions.
[01:09] <pmatulis> Guegs: what "group"?
[01:09] <Guegs> drwx------ 2 guegs I_WANT_NOTHING_HERE 2 Apr 28 19:03
[01:10] <Guegs> the group I want to remove from that dir is 'test'
[01:11] <Guegs> Ehh, what the hell, I'll just chmod 777 it.
[01:11] <Guegs> Err, 700. :-P
[01:26] <rbasak> Guegs: all files must have a group owner. But there is a "nobody" group you can use if you have nothing else suitable. And giving the group no permission makes sense.
[01:26] <Guegs> ohh, didn't know about the nobody group. Thanks.
[01:26] <rbasak> Guegs: sorry, it's the "nogroup" group. "nobody" is the equivalent user.
[02:22] <tonymke> Anyone know anything about configuring apache? Just wanted a specific subdomain to have a different documentroot directory than all other directories. e.g. dev.tony-lechner.com goes to /var/www/dev, while blah.tony-lechner.com or tony-lechner.com goes to /var/www/tony-lechner
[02:23] <tonymke> Set up two site conf files, can't seem to get it working. https://gist.github.com/tonymke/11389308
[02:25] <mwhudson> tonymke: do you have NameVirtualHost *:80 somewhere?
[02:44] <ruben23> hi guys.. i have a publci  Server where it runs a web access and telephony server...im worried for attack and exploits does VPN works for this...but how do i setup..? shoudl it be separate server VPN or just built on teh same server..? does it require more bandiwidth
[03:27] <tonymke> mwhudson: I do, in both. Sorry about the delay
[03:30] <tonymke> mwhudson: err <VirtualHost *:80>
[03:30] <mwhudson> tonymke: mine wasn't a typo :)
[03:30] <tonymke> mwhudson: oh hey, that was the right word to google. thanks :)
[04:31] <onorua> Hi guys, does some one run systemd on ubuntu server already in here?
[05:03] <blkperl> onorua: well its not default in 14.04 so I'm guessing nobody does
[05:49] <mvbemmel> Seen the large availablity on VNC options, which one is suggested for setting up a VNC between linux server and osx?
[05:56] <owh> mvbemmel: To achieve what? Personally I use ssh.
[05:57] <mvbemmel> owh: To have terminal acces from a mac
[05:57] <mvbemmel> owh: could you pls tell what your setup is?
[05:57] <owh> mvbemmel: Open up the terminal on the Mac, type ssh user@server, enter your password. Done
[05:58] <mvbemmel> owh: perhpas I was thinking to difficult if the solution is that easy. Thanks!
[05:58] <owh> mvbemmel: On the server you'll need to have installed openssh-server.
[05:59] <mvbemmel> owh: check, tnx
[06:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:00] <Guest67771> Hi I had a power outage last night. I restarted my Ubuntu server, but 2 core services I run (apache and a MOO server) aren't accessible. I've checked all I can think of - all was good prior to the outage. Suugestions to troubleshooot?
[07:01] <sarnold> Guest67771: anything in /var/log that looks related? maybe also run a debsums -c to see if anything is corrupted or missing
[07:02] <Guest67771> thanks <sarnold>, what does debsums do?
[07:02] <sarnold> Guest67771: it checks the hashes that most packages provide in their manifests
[07:03] <Guest67771> which log should I be looking in?
[07:04] <owh> Guest67771: If you start apache manually, do you get an error?
[07:04] <Guest67771> It made mention of the fully qualified domain name not being available - but started anyhow
[07:05] <sarnold> Guest67771: I'd check dmesg to see if there's hard drive errors or apparmor errors, apache error.log to see if there's anything interesting there, boot log in case something was written to the console..
[07:05] <Guest67771> localhost works
[07:05] <sarnold> I think that's just a warning
[07:07] <owh> Guest67771: Have your IP addresses stayed the same?
[07:07] <Guest67771> Static IP from my ISP. The server has the same internal IP - fixed using MAC address. Checked that first!
[07:09] <Guest67771> Boot log is mostly clean - 2 entries for apparmor (skipping profile)
[07:09] <owh> Here's the FQDN fix: http://aslamnajeebdeen.com/blog/how-to-fix-apache-could-not-reliably-determine-the-servers-fully-qualified-domain-name-using-127011-for-servername-error-on-ubuntu
[07:10] <jjohansen> Guest67771: the skipping profiles bit is normal when there are a profiles disabled. You can see which ones are disabled by looking at /etc/apparmor.d/disable
[07:12] <Guest67771> SO that's probably not it.
[07:12] <owh> Guest67771: Once you fix the FQDN, restart apache, then see if you can start the MOO.
[07:13] <Guest67771> can I use the IP, rather than the domain name in the httpd.conf
[07:13] <owh> Guest67771: Here is a more ubuntu specific link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[07:14] <owh> Guest67771: "localhost" is what it needs.
[07:15] <Guest67771> misinterpreted it
[07:16] <Guest67771> apache started ok...no warnings
[07:16] <owh> Can you now start the MOO?
[07:17] <Guest67771> the MOO starts, but my error is server at <IP_ADDRESS> 7777 is unreachable
[07:18] <Guest67771> can't browse my deafult web page either - not using the IP address anyway - localhost still works
[07:19] <owh> What happens if you go to the web server via the ip address or the host name, rather than local host?
[07:20] <Guest67771> Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:21] <owh> Can you ping the IP?
[07:21] <Guest67771> yes...
[07:21] <owh> From outside?
[07:21] <Guest67771> but I am on the same network
[07:21] <Guest67771> don't have access to an outside PC
[07:22] <owh> I just realised I do ;-) I can ping it. Looks like no reply from the web server. Have you set-up a virtual host for this IP?
[07:23] <Guest67771> no....but I din't have one before. IT's been working OK
[07:23] <Guest67771> didn't
[07:23] <owh> Does localhost:7777 work for you?
[07:25] <owh> Guest67771: FYI I cannot tracepath to that IP.
[07:25] <Guest67771> no...can't connect
[07:27] <owh> I'd focus on getting the web server to respond. Likely the issue is the same for both. I'm wondering if you added some static routes or did some network wrangling to make it work last time and didn't save that, so the reboot killed it.
[07:28] <Guest67771> makes sense...checked my port forwarding..it's good
[07:28] <Guest67771> I recall putting the IP into  a config file..can't recall which one
[07:31] <Guest67771> canyouseeme.org is showing ports 80, 7777 blocked
[07:33] <unresolved> hi
[07:33] <unresolved> i need some help
[07:38] <owh> unresolved: Don't we all?
[07:38] <unresolved> lol
[08:50] <Guest67771> Hi I think I have a DNS issue with my server. The internet won't work from it, and I can't see web pages from the web server across my LAN. I have a static IP. Prior to a power outtage last night, all was good. But something must have been dumped or lost in the reboot. Any advice would be welcome. I've tried quite a few troubleshooting tacks, but this is where I'm at now.
[09:53] <lorenx> hi all. i'm having some issues connecting to a 14.04 nfs server (a previuos version worked fine) from an ubuntu client
[09:53] <lorenx> all the usual command seems fine. on the server side, "rpcbind -p" and "showmount -e" seem correct
[09:53] <lorenx> and on the client side, "rpcinfo -p <IP_ADDRESS>" and "rpcinfo -u <IP_ADDRESS> nfs" seem fine too
[09:53] <lorenx> but "sudo mount" just hangs
[09:53] <lorenx> any hint please? thanks
[10:04] <rbasak> lorenx: try tcpdump at both ends, to make sure that all packets are getting through? And perhaps check any firewalls on the machines themselves?
[10:04] <Guest67771> Hi I believe I may have a DNS issue in 12.04LTS. I had a power outage last night, and now I'm plagued with problems I need to to resolve. The server cant access the internet, and the web server isn't available. Anyone able to provide some advice please?
[10:05] <lorenx> rbasak: the 2 machine see each other, no specific firewall rules are set
[10:05] <lorenx> i can ping, can ssh to the server...
[10:07] <lorenx> rbasak: one thing i noticed is probably a dns issue, nut i'm not sure it is the problem: http://privatepaste.com/4bb3101abc
[10:07] <lorenx> (commands run form the client side)
[10:11] <caribou> jamespage: remember yesterday's query about nova-cloud-controller's passing of authorized_keys/known_hosts ?
[10:51] <lorenx> any hint please?
[11:17] <zetheroo1> Hi all ... I just did 'apt-get update' on one of our 14.04 servers and it ended with this .. is it anything to stress about? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7358754/
[11:19] <caribou> zetheroo1: you may fix this by running sudo locale-gen de_CH.UTF-8
[11:20] <zetheroo1> caribou: thank you very much ... what was the problem?
[11:21] <caribou> zetheroo1: the localization files were not created on your system and since you are using swiss german localization (at least I think so) the perl command issued a warning
[11:21] <caribou> I get that all the time as I'm localized in french
[11:22] <caribou> I even noticed some installation failure because of the localization
[11:36] <zetheroo1> ok
[11:37] <zetheroo1> yes, I am in Switzerland
[11:37] <zetheroo1> is it normal that these files are not automatically created!? Don't they usually get created during the OS install?
[11:42] <Guest67771> Hi I think I have a DNS issue with my 12.04 LTS server. It didn't show until I had a power outgae yesterday. Now I plagued with problems. Anyone able to assist with advice please?
[11:53] <lorenx> hi all. i'm having some issues connecting to a 14.04 nfs server (a previuos version worked fine) from an ubuntu client
[11:53] <lorenx> all the usual command seems fine. on the server side, "rpcbind -p" and "showmount -e" seem correct
[11:53] <lorenx> and on the client side, "rpcinfo -p <IP_ADDRESS>" and "rpcinfo -u <IP_ADDRESS> nfs" seem fine too
[11:53] <lorenx> but "sudo mount" just hangs
[11:53] <lorenx> any hint please?
[11:56] <hiteshtr> which is best open source mail server
[12:37] <pmatulis> hiteshtr: investigate postfix
[13:00] <lorenx> any hint please? thanks a lot
[13:12] <rbasak> lorenx: did you try tcpdump at both ends?
[13:14] <lorenx> rbasak: not actually but i'm pretty sure there's nothing blocking each other... what should block the communication other than a firewall?
[13:16] <lorenx> rbasak: do you think this is not enough? http://privatepaste.com/2475e6c308
[13:18] <lorenx> rbasak: anyway, what should i exactly test with tcpdump? a specific port?
[13:30] <rbasak> lorenx: make sure that all traffic sent from one end is received at the other end, and vice versa.
[13:30] <rbasak> lorenx: usually if there's a problem somewhere it will fail, not hang. But network problems can result in hangs.
[13:30] <rbasak> lorenx: given that you don't know how else to fix the issue, that's at least one side of things you can rule out.
[13:31] <lorenx> rbasak: ok but the 2 computer is linked together (one is the network gateway) and *most* of the traffic is received correctly. i only have issues with nfs
[13:32] <lorenx> maybe i should just monitor the moment when the mount hangs
[13:32] <rbasak> lorenx: I've seen many network problems where *some* packets get through, but some property of specific packets cause some specific packets to fail.
[13:32] <rbasak> eg. MTU issues, or some special flag set by a specific problem, etc.
[13:32] <rbasak> I'm just saying that you should rule it out.
[13:33] <lorenx> i'm not a tcpdump expert, what's the best tcpdump command i should run on the server while trying to mount from the client?
[13:33] <lorenx> anyway, keep in mind that all works fine before i installed 14.04
[13:34] <lorenx> i haven't changed my firewall rules or something like tat
[13:34] <lorenx> if i reboot my old ubuntu server version, nfs works fine (the firewall rules are exactly the same)
[13:34] <rbasak> "tcpdump -w dump.pcap -ni eth0 not port 22" or something like that. If you're not an expert, I recommend wireshark to examine the dump after.
[13:35] <lorenx> i've also thought about a nfs-kernel-server 1.2.8-6ubuntu1 bug :P
[13:40] <lorenx> rbasak: i see many packages and i'm not able to detect the exact nfs packages but when i ctrl-c the tcpdumo command it says "0 packets dropped by kernel"
[13:40] <lorenx> rbasak: and now my mount command finally times out! "mount.nfs4: mounting <IP_ADDRESS>:/lan failed, reason given by server: No such file or directory"
[13:40] <rbasak> lorenx: OK, now examine the dump.pcap file using wireshark, as captured at both ends. wireshark highlights retransmissions and the like.
[13:41] <lorenx> but i'm sure it exists
[13:41] <rbasak> OK, forgot the capture now then.
[13:41] <rbasak> forget
[13:42] <lorenx> ok, good... but i have no idea on how to debug further now
[13:44] <lorenx> isn't this weird?? http://privatepaste.com/c5ea8ad3cf
[13:48] <lorenx> rbasak: ^
[14:16] <mirelle> hello ubuntu-server community. im new to linux. but still not just a user.
[14:18] <Ahti333> is there a good way to upgrade 12.04 to 14.04 right now (before 14.04.1 is out)? or am i better off reinstalling anyway?
[14:19] <Ahti333> (uptime is not important)
[14:22] <mardraum> Ahti333: do-release-upgrade
[14:23] <Pici> that won't work until 14.04.1 is out.
[14:23] <mardraum> unless you change a single line in a single file, right?
[14:23] <Ahti333> yup. It does show 14.04 when i use --devel-release, but I'm not sure wether that's the real release or some devel version
[14:24] <Pici> Its the real release, but I wouldn't expect for the upgrade from LTS to LTS to be completely tested.
[14:27] <mardraum> yes well, you still need to test things yourself if you want to ensure no issues
[14:28] <mardraum> even after the .1 that remains true
[14:28] <MannerMan> do-release-upgrade -d will upgrade ubuntu 12.04.4 to 14.04
[14:28] <MannerMan> but indeed, it's recommended to wait for 14.04.1
[14:32] <Ahti333> well i can always revert to a backup when things go south
[14:33] <Baluse> hello
[14:33] <Baluse> Is it easy to create a user that would have access to /var/www/dudesite/  only and his personal whatever
[14:33] <Baluse> i want to host my friend's site but dont want to give root access
[14:37] <Ahti333> Baluse depending on your servers setup, it could be anything from very easy to mildly complicated :P
[14:37] <Ahti333> create a new user for your friend, create /var/www/dudesite/ and change its ownership to the new user
[14:37] <Ahti333> that's the basics
[14:38] <mirelle> i have done biug shitty :D
[14:38] <Baluse> so when accessing via ssh he could see and other folders right?
[14:39] <Ahti333> Baluse that depends on how the permissions on thos other folders are set
[14:39] <mirelle> have running "ubuntu 12.04" havce first installed node.js with "sudo apt-get install node.js". after that i did the misstake, also installed npm with "sudo apt-get install npm"
[14:39] <patdk-wk> mostly, yes, unless you chroot him
[14:40] <mirelle> now i get served issues when i want to update in the node.js the "npm"
[14:41] <Ahti333> additionaly, if your friend might use php or any other non-static content for his website, he will be able to see any content the webserver is able to see, which you can prevent by using (for apache) mod_suexec and/or mod_suphp
[14:41] <zetheroo1> I am trying to apply the fix on post #34 from this bug (which I am experiencing) : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1274320
[14:41] <zetheroo1> problem is that it's unclear to me where this section ends ....
[14:42] <mirelle> how do i uninstall all, to make it new?
[14:42] <funcoland1> good morning! I'm trying to install apt packages in an offline installation and I'm using a command to grab the package with its dependencies but it's not downloading the deps for a package that is already installed on the system. does anyone know a command that will ignore what is installed on the system and still grab everything?
[14:43] <zetheroo1> this is what my 00_header file looks like now (without edits): http://paste.ubuntu.com/7359770/
[14:43] <zetheroo1> I tried editing it and running grub-update but got the following error: /etc/grub.d/00_header: 400: /etc/grub.d/00_header: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "fi")
[14:48] <zetheroo1> odd thing is that I tried the fix from post #28 and grub-update works without a hitch after it ...
[15:10] <smoser> smb, so https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/drbd8/+bug/1185756
[15:10] <smb> yeeees
[15:10] <smoser> just reading that, it seems like you fixed, that got into -updates.
[15:10] <smb> smoser, I was about to whine in the server-team meeting
[15:10] <smoser> and then a regerssion?
[15:11] <smoser> and you have a fix for the regression in the debdiff there.
[15:11] <smoser> right?
[15:12] <smb> smoser, well, we did a backport from the saucy drbd package because the newer kernel module has so many changes it probably never would work with the older user-space. And the user-space seemed to support running the compat mode
[15:12] <smoser> yeah, and that got into precise-updates
[15:12] <smoser> right?
[15:12] <smb> Just that it did only work as long as one used drbd directly, but not from clusters. Now we break current clusters
[15:12] <smb> Yep its in updates
[15:12] <smb> and a regression
[15:13] <mintux> which one of them is best for server debian or ubuntu server ? i ubunu server as light as debian ?
[15:13] <mintux> **is
[15:13] <smb> smoser, I have fixes that make at least corosync cluster work ok. Just there is a recent report of heartbeat alone might still have problems
[15:14] <smb> smoser, But I got some debug output as a PM and that looks a bit odd
[15:15] <smb> smoser, As it does execute things I neither find in the drbd resource agent shipped with drbd nor in the one shipped with resource-agents
[15:26] <smoser> smb, what is your debdiff against ?
[15:27] <smb> smoser, against the updates version in precise
[15:28] <smb> smoser, argh... maybe not
[15:28] <smb> smoser, Oh yes ... sory I had a different package in my vi
[15:29] <smoser> smb, yeah.
[15:29] <smoser> ok.
[15:29] <smoser> so the other hting i was going to say, smb...
[15:29] <smb> smoser, I actually have the source deb on chinstrap
[15:29] <smoser> is that afaik,
[15:29] <smoser>  if (( $DRBDADM_VERSION_CODE >= 0x080400 )); then
[15:29] <smoser> is busted
[15:30] <smb> smoser, why ?
[15:30] <smoser> oh. never mind.
[15:30] <smb> smoser, that code was actually in before, I just added the else case imo
[15:32] <smoser> smb link to source ?
[15:32] <smoser> or re-attach debdei
[15:32] <smb> smoser, chinstrap:~smb/4review
[15:32] <smb> smoser, I admit diffs of patches suck
[15:38] <smb> smoser, ok. must admit something seems not working right in case of running the init script with the new kernel
[15:39] <smoser> smb, ok. so i guess you sort it out and then ping me
[15:40] <smoser> i'm not sure what the sru team thinks, bu i think officially you need a new bug.
[15:40] <smb> smoser, yeah. should not be long
[15:40] <smoser> maybe not. i dont know.
[15:58] <lorenx> nfs issue, isn't this weird?? http://privatepaste.com/c5ea8ad3cf
[15:59] <lorenx> this actually: http://privatepaste.com/0a13a2a873
[15:59] <smb> smoser, Actually it turns out that the problem I saw was only because that machine still ran a debug version of rc4 which emitted a version check number all the times. So nothing has to change
[16:00] <lorenx> is there some issue with 14.04 concerning nfs?
[16:01] <smoser> smb, so you think what is there is happy ?
[16:01] <smoser> or you think you want/need a fix for the heartbeat issue you mentioned above
[16:02] <smb> smoser, Happier than anything before. The heartbeat thing might be an issue but it looks a bit odd out and at least we would unbreak all the others
[16:03] <smb> Well apart from going back to 8.3.x but I think that would not be that simple either
[16:03] <smoser> ok. smb thenn i'll take another look.
[16:03] <smoser> i'm not sure what to do about hte bug though
[16:03] <smoser> since it is fix-released
[16:03] <smoser> sorry to be process.
[16:03] <smb> lorenx, not that I would know of. does syslog or dmesg on the server side give a hint
[16:04] <lorenx> smb: hi and thanks for your reply... it seems that this is helping: http://goo.gl/iTvyN
[16:04] <smb> smoser, Yeah, its unfortunate people did not report a new one... We may set it back to in progress?
[16:05] <smoser> i dont really know, smb.
[16:05] <smoser> lets ask in -devel
[16:05] <smb> smoser, ok
[16:06] <smb> lorenx, Ok yeah, nfs4 syntax is a bit special
[16:07] <lorenx> smb, ok but wait... why it has been working fine with previous ubuntu version? it doesn't seem to me that nfsv4 is introduced with 14.04 right?
[16:09] <smb> lorenx, No, it should have failed the same way. Not sure why it did work then
[16:10] <smb> Maybe compat code that fell back to nfs3...
[16:11] <lorenx> smb: in fact there is still something weird
[16:12] <lorenx> what has been changed recently? i'm running the exact configuration i had with 12.04 but i'm having issues with my new 14.04 server
[16:16] <lorenx> i also need crossmnt in my /etc/exports
[16:59] <rbasak> Daviey: hey. Do you remember why we switched the ubuntu-server blog to the current location? Not everything is moved over, so it appears we're still using both :-/
[16:59] <TheRealBacon> I remember when and vaguely why, but I think that's a question you should post upstream in the ops Chan perhaps
[17:03] <Daviey> rbasak: the old one was wordpress.com hosted (as a subdomain) and we acquired a vanity domain. it was kinda embarrassing that we were not chewing our own produce.
[17:03] <rbasak> Ah. That makes sense - thansk.
[17:03] <Daviey> rbasak, i did think it was all moved over.. what have you seen that is missing?
[17:04] <rbasak> Daviey: I'm told that we're not syndicating server team member blogs like we used to.
[17:04] <gaughen> Daviey, well it's not so much missing as hallyn posted his minutes there
[17:04] <rbasak> Also I think someone (hallyn?) was unaware and posting to the old one
[17:04] <gaughen> yes, rbasak it was hallyn
[17:04] <gaughen> and I wanted to confirm to keep using hallyn's name in vain
[17:05] <Daviey> ah
[17:05] <gaughen> thanks rbasak, Daviey was just trying to figure out why there were two and then why we moved away from the wordpress.com site as we can make changes ourselves
[17:05] <Daviey> well i guess the old one should be taken offline?
[17:05] <hallyn> smoser: fwiw i've got a patch that at least is passing all of tar's previous tests,  re-building to test a bit on my own then i'll ost on the bug
[17:06] <gaughen> Daviey, do you know if all the data from the old one moved to the new one?
[17:06] <gaughen> I could do a test to verify
[17:06] <Daviey> does the post-minutes-o-matic script not make sense anymore?
[17:06] <gaughen> at a minimum I think it should prevent people, like hallyn, from posting to it ;-)
[17:06] <hallyn> gaughen: hey i know what we need, we need 2 more places to post the meeting notes
[17:06] <smoser> hallyn, since you're there, could you look at what happens if i try to use '--xattrs' on a filesystem that doesn't suppor them ?
[17:06] <hallyn> idle hands are the devil's tools
[17:06] <gaughen> hallyn, YES!
[17:06] <smoser> that makes it nasty
[17:07] <Daviey> gaughen, it was imported.. i assumed everything... i noticed tge odd utf8 conversion issue tho
[17:07] <Daviey> the*
[17:08] <hallyn> smoser: i'm not actually 'there' right now
[17:08] <rbasak> Daviey: the script was always a little broken for me. And I end up doing it by hand all the time.
[17:09] <hallyn> but should be trivial to test later with a loopdev
[17:09] <rbasak> afk
[17:09] <Daviey> gaughen: ah. stufff that was 'reblogged' was empty
[17:09] <gaughen> that's okay
[17:10] <Daviey> ie, imported from other peoples blogs
[17:11] <Daviey> iirc RT56145
[17:15] <hallyn> ok i'll test that right after lunch
[17:18] <smoser> hallyn, curious, what fs will you use ?
[17:18] <smoser> i thought htat ext2 did not support xattr, but that was incorrect.
[17:18] <smoser> i wonder about aufs.
[17:20] <stgraber> smoser: aufs works but you need to pass some extra mount parameter for it
[17:20] <smoser> does lxc pass said param ?
[17:21] <hallyn> well you could use nfs
[17:23] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, I thought the docker folks said aufs could do xattr? Google doesn't seem to agree with that though :)
[17:23] <hallyn> what does 'touch ab; setcap cap_mac_admin=ep ab' say?
[17:24] <Daviey> smoser, is it only ping currently using extended attribs?
[17:24] <smoser> 3 total files i think.
[17:24] <smoser> i think.
[17:24] <hallyn> you know, tar in trusty doesn't seem to be working iwth xattrs either
[17:26] <Daviey> smoser, rather than changing every flavour to +S in sru.. (which is pretty nasty).. what about a cloud-init initial boot fixup.. xattr || chnod +S ?
[17:27] <hallyn> yea, or just have the ubuntu-cloud template do it
[17:27] <hallyn> or, as stgraber has suggested, back out the tar change...
[17:27] <Daviey> hallyn, well that doean't fix non-lxc usage?
[17:28] <hallyn> what non-lxc usage?
[17:28] <mirelle> somebody want to help, integrating NOMP mining pool (based on nodejs) on dedicated root server? Ubuntu 12.04
[17:28] <Daviey> Clint raised a bug he was aeeing of using the tar image directly?
[17:28] <Daviey> and smoser confirmed xurtin?
[17:28] <hallyn> xurtin?
[17:28] <Daviey> curtin*
[17:29] <Daviey> (mobile device keyboard)
[17:29] <hallyn> hm, kyet another installer? :)
[17:29] <hallyn> yeah see this is why back when we discussed this in lucid, we didn't (yet) proceed with xattrs :)  but i guess we have to break some eggs at some point
[17:30] <Daviey> is mtr still +S?
[17:31] <smoser> $ ls -l `which mtr`
[17:31] <smoser> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 75256 Oct 21  2013 /usr/bin/mtr
[17:31] <smoser> Daviey, ^ yes.
[17:32] <smoser> i dont like cluod-init fixing things.
[17:32] <Daviey> smoser, thanks
[17:32] <smoser> cloud-init is not an installer.
[17:32] <smoser> i'd rather have the packaging go back to setuid
[17:33] <Daviey> smoser, isn't this a backwards fix for 12.04? trusty is unaffected?
[17:33] <smoser> fwiw, overlayfs seems to be fine with xattr.
[17:33] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7360817/
[17:51] <hallyn> stgraber: smoser: I'm not getting it.  "touch ab;  setcap cap_mac_admin=ep ab; tar --xattrs -cf ab.tar ab; rm ab; tar --xattrs -xf ab.tar; getcap ab' shows tar is NOT doing xattrs...
[17:52] <hallyn> in uptodate trusty
[17:53] <hallyn> (done as root)
[17:53] <ogra_> trusty ... pfft ... old crap
[17:53] <hallyn> true, true
[17:55] <smoser> hallyn, you fell into same trap as me.
[17:55] <smoser> see the diff between first and second of my attachments ther.e
[17:56] <smoser> you not only have to tell it '--xattrs'
[17:56] <smoser> you have to tell it
[17:56] <smoser>  '--xattrs-include=*'
[17:56] <smoser> I want you to use xattrs, and I want you to *actually collect* xattrs
[17:58] <hallyn> that's idiotic.  i saw the option in the manpage, but somehow couldnt make that leap
[17:59] <smoser> yeah. i did the same as you.
[18:01] <hallyn> eh, so my patch still isnt' working
[19:39] <TechIsCool> can anyone help me with an ip address issue? I have statically assigned an ip address with sudo ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> and configured a default route but it does not work
[19:41] <sarnold> TechIsCool: can you ping other hosts in the 10.119/16 range?
[19:42] <TechIsCool> yes
[19:42] <sarnold> TechIsCool: cool. can you ping the router providing the default route?
[19:50] <alaing> just checking what permissions do you guys have on your /var/www?
[19:50] <alaing> and what user:group?
[19:51] <alaing> drwxr-xr-x+ 20 root      root       4096 Apr 18 20:50 www
[20:37] <Guest67771> I had a power outage yesterday, and my previous setup with 12.04 LTS was working smoothly.
[20:37] <Guest67771> Now, my webserver isn't accessible to the outside world, and nor is my MOO server.
[20:37] <Guest67771> I have a static IP,and use port forwarding on my router to direct traffic to my server. Here's my testing: can't ping google from server can't access web from server can ping server (192.168.xx.xx) from my other work station can ping my IP (124.254.xx.xx) from my other work station
[20:37] <Guest67771> I'm using UFW - ports 23, 7777 and 80 are open. Firewall is active. Port forwarding is working to the correct IP address.
[20:37] <Guest67771> I tested to see if the ports were visible - canyouseeme.org shows 80 and 7777 closed.
[20:37] <Guest67771> I'm a noob, so I may have left something off the fresh install I did a few weeks ago. But it had all been working well. The install worked out of the box - no special fixes.
[20:37] <Guest67771> I've trawled the web and this forum to find a fix. I commented out #dns=dnsmasq in networkmanager.conf - to no avail.
[20:37] <Guest67771> I can recall in a previous install, having to add info to a config file regarding my IP address - at tis stage I'm not worried about domain names. The best I've come up with is to add dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> to /etc/network/interface*.
[20:37] <Guest67771> I really need to have the MOO up and running (it is running, but not accessible). You could say I'm desperate. Look forward to any advice you may be able to provide.
[21:03] <championofcyrodi> Anyone have success with new Intel NUC on 12.04.4? PXE boot works with LTSP server, but nbd mount fails because ipconfig does not have any network interfaces found.  Seems like the Intel NUC's Ethernet driver is not included with the initrd used by the client(s).
[21:04] <ogra_> kirkland, ^^^ didnt you play with NUCs before ?
[21:27] <rostam> HI can I use preseed to automate installation of mini ubuntu iso? thx
[21:38] <kirkland> ogra_: yo
[21:38] <kirkland> ogra_: yep, plenty ;-)
[21:38] <kirkland> looks like that user is gone, though
[21:38] <ogra_> kirkland, well, they guy with the issue is gone now ... he was trying to netboot a NUC
[21:38] <kirkland> ogra_: ah
[21:38] <kirkland> ogra_: well, we do a TON of that with MAAS :-)
[21:39] <kirkland> ogra_: works great ;-)
[21:39] <ogra_> PXE seemsed to work fine but it fell over with a missing NIC driver in initrd
[21:40] <kirkland> ogra_: that's odd;  it's just an e1000
[21:40] <kirkland> ogra_: what is funny is how the kernel names the device
[21:40] <kirkland> ogra_: sometimes its eth0, sometimes its em1 (device tree funkiness?)
[21:41] <sarnold> biosdevname package does that renaming
[21:41] <ogra_> yeah
[21:41] <ogra_> there was a long discussion with some dell people long ago on ubuntu-devel ... iirc before 12.04
[21:42] <hallyn> so biosdevnae renames it to em1, or to eth0?
[21:45] <sarnold> hallyn: with the caveat that I've not personally seen one of these NUCs yet, I believe the biosdevname renames it to em1
[21:55] <zerick> I have a spawn-fcgi not working, everytime I run it all processes apparently created are not present. Help plz
[21:58] <hallyn> oh hey, found a missing chunk of patch (lying here on the floor) maybe tar --xattrs will work now
[22:04] <hallyn> yay, it does


[09:38] <Fudge> thanks AlanBell
[09:38] <Fudge> i could not see gnome-shell in that screen when i tried it last week
[09:39] <Fudge> and setting gnome in lightdm.conf didnt laod it either
[09:39] <Fudge> load
[09:39] <Fudge> I think because of my hardware unity-3d is default


 If this works then I can make it all SMD (and cheaper) and get some PCB's made up :)
[07:26] <pinky-> sounds interesting
[07:33] <pinky-> flux is my friend. I luv friends with benifits
[07:33] <pinky-> benefits*
[07:34] <pinky-> haha
[07:34] <pinky-> maybe it's too early?
[07:48] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:48] <popey> Oh Joy!
[07:49] <popey> Updated my machine and get dumped to the grub prompt
[07:49] <popey> WINNER!
[07:49] <czajkowski> :/
[07:49] <AlanBell> ops
[07:49] <pinky-> WINNING
[07:49]  * AlanBell declines to update right now
[07:49] <czajkowski> indeed
[07:50]  * xnox is in the office =) woop
[07:51] <popey> this is odd
[07:51] <popey> they've changed the wording of the grub menu
[07:51] <popey> it now just says "Ubuntu" and "Advanced options for Ubuntu"
[07:52] <popey> \o/ fixed
[07:58]  * gord upgrades and puts on a cup of coffee for the enevitable breakage
[07:59] <AlanBell> popey: what was the fix?
[07:59] <popey> boot from a different hard disk
[07:59] <popey> i have two, it updated the wrong one
[07:59]  * popey stabs launchpad
[08:00] <AlanBell> so it should be OK to update?
[08:00] <mattt> "double down" ... what a stupid saying
[08:00] <popey> yeah
[08:00] <popey> mattt, americans.. what can you say. :)
[08:01] <gord> its not a saying? its something you do in blackjack
[08:01] <gord> i've never heard it used outside that context anyway
[08:01] <mattt> gord: i've heard a # of american colleagues say it
[08:01] <popey> me too
[08:01] <popey> loads
[08:01] <gord> correct them all
[08:01] <gord> or just assume you are playing blackjack and throw cards at them
[08:01] <mattt> maybe it'll kick it up a notch, and triple down
[08:01] <popey> heh
[08:01] <popey> quintuple down!
[08:02] <mattt> :)
[08:03] <xnox> popey: that's grub 2.00 for you ;-)
[08:20] <gord> woo after upgrade lightdm doesn't work \o/
[08:24] <xnox> gord: in what way?
[08:24] <mattt> gord: double down and get that fixed
[08:49] <bootlkhlll> mornin'
[09:03] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:20]  * daubers listens to the loud whine of "Grrnnnnnanaaarrgrghhhhhrhghghghghghghghghhghgh...... *kthump*" as the tree's get taken down
[09:21] <xnox> daubers: perfect time for conference calls & google hangouts =)
[09:21] <daubers> xnox: Yes!
[09:27]  * Laney :(s at trees being taken down
[09:28] <Laney> we're getting a big new tram line in nottingham which is really bad for trees
[09:29] <Laney> https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=university+boulevard,+nottingham&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=56.331468,114.169922&vpsrc=6&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=University+Blvd,+Nottingham+NG7,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.93774,-1.18727&spn=0.010604,0.027874&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=52.93774,-1.18727&panoid=RqTi6XQILjZ49brKf4nl1g&cbp=12,352.31,,0,-7 both of those beauties
[09:33] <daubers> Laney: We're going to plant a fruit tree further down the garden. The tree's that are going are less than a meter from the house. They're starting to affect the foundations :(
[09:33] <Laney> :(
[09:34] <daubers> cost me £VAST AMOUNTS on the insurance
[09:34] <czajkowski> daubers: aye happened in our house in .ie
[09:34] <daubers> so the plan is to get a pear tree or something that has smaller roots which we can train along one of the fences
[09:34] <czajkowski> but mum loves gardening and has planted a lot more all away from the foundations of the house
[09:34] <daubers> Yeah, these are those horrid things that grow a couple of meters a year too
[09:35] <daubers> so replace them with something native and nicer
[09:35] <daubers> something that bee's will like
[09:36]  * daubers should think about walking down to the doctors surgery shortly
[09:38] <diplo> I had the same issue, why don't the house builders think about the trees that are planted when they are small
[09:38] <diplo> My tree took up the front path by about 3-4 inches all broken, and very close to that is the main sewer pipe.. I was worried the tree was going to take the sewer out so chopped it down.
[09:39] <diplo> Refusing to die though :/ going to have to dig the stump out soon ( BIG job )
[09:53] <pinky-> I like trees and want to hug them all
[09:59] <pinky-> Bonsai to the rescue
[09:59] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, folks! :-D
[09:59] <pinky-> Poets day!
[10:00] <JamesTait> pinky-: Not for me, I started late instead. :-/
[10:00] <pinky-> atleast you got a lay-in
[10:00] <JamesTait> Pah!
[10:00] <JamesTait> They don't exist in my house!
[10:01] <pinky-> young children?
[10:01] <JamesTait> No, this morning my wife broke her glasses, so I had to take her to the opticians.
[10:01] <pinky-> oh drama
[10:01] <JamesTait> Yep, two boys.  8 and 5.
[10:01] <JamesTait> So still young, I guess, even though they seem so grown up so quickly.
[10:02] <pinky-> in a blink of an eye
[10:02] <pinky-> yup
[10:03] <pinky-> I'm nearing 50 years old now but been a granddad since I was 42
[10:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:04] <pinky-> Good Morning davmor2
[10:07] <pinky-> JamesTait : you bought the boys any Lego?
[10:07] <pinky-> it's one of my fav toys to give
[10:07] <JamesTait> pinky-: A grandad at 42?  Fairly young, I suppose, but could be younger. ;)
[10:07] <pinky-> yeah atleast it wasn't 32
[10:08] <JamesTait> pinky-: We've got *loads* of the stuff.  Most of it left over from when we were boys, but we've got them some updated stuff as well.
[10:08] <JamesTait> I poached some to build a Raspberry Pi case.
[10:08] <pinky-> good idea:)
[10:09] <mungojerry> best pi cases i've seen are the pibow
[10:11] <JamesTait> Yeah, I wholly intended to get a pibow. In fact, it's what finally convinced me to get the Pi. I've just never got around to it.
[10:12] <JamesTait> In fact, I should do that now.
[10:12] <christel> yeah the pibow is cuteeee
[10:12] <christel> the pins are a tad short though and keep falling out
[10:13] <christel> (though they come with spare pins!)
[10:13] <christel> (also, morning)
[10:13] <JamesTait> Done.
[10:13] <JamesTait> Hi christel. :)
[10:14] <christel> hullu hullu hullu my dear! <3
[10:14] <mgdm> I saw a pibow at oggcamp
[10:14] <mgdm> might get one, nw that have the RPi too
[10:14] <mgdm> \o/
[10:16] <JamesTait> I'm going to see how things go with the Pi, but I'm thinking of getting a couple more, or maybe a couple of the other ARM boards that seem to be popping up left, right and centre.
[10:20] <pinky-> I've not updated any main applications for ages and looking to try new and wondered if anybody had a recommendation for dvb-s2 software for Ubuntu?
[10:20] <JamesTait> mgdm: I bought my Pi at OggCamp, and got the box signed by Pete Lomas. \o/
[10:21]  * JamesTait has a thing about getting things at OggCamp and having them signed.
[10:27] <mgdm> JamesTait: Oh, I didn't htink about the signing bit - I was having a chat with him at one point though
[10:29] <JamesTait> mgdm: Seems like a nice chap. :)
[10:31] <mgdm> Indeed
[10:32] <davmor2> morning christel
[10:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:33] <pinky-> in Ubuntu (12.04) Software Center there is only 2 dvb apps and one doesn't work in 12.04 and other has no ATSC support so useless for satellite
[10:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: how's london treating you again?   Don't think I'd ever risk it again!
[11:51] <daubers> At the time I might have been on one of these though http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/871.aspx?CategoryID=73&SubCategoryID=103 as I had a gum infection
[11:52] <czajkowski> daubers: I tend to be on weird strong stuff for my back but over the years have built up a large tolerance
[11:53] <daubers> czajkowski: This is something I hadn't heard of before
[11:54] <czajkowski> nods
[11:56] <daubers> Ah wikipedia, where would i be without you
[11:56] <daubers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flucloxacillin
[11:57] <mungojerry> the main issue with antibiotics is tummy problems
[11:57] <mungojerry> so top up on good stomach bacteria
[11:58] <daubers> eat many yoghurts, gotcha :)
[12:40] <AlanBell> bigcalm: still up for next saturday in Farnham?
[12:41] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1906/detail/
[12:41] <christel> AlanBell: i believe he is at a training course today (but afaik he still intends to come down for happy hourage)
[12:42] <AlanBell> great
[12:42] <christel> daubers: yah some antibiotics dont react well to alcohol and make you sick -- the ones you're on now probably wouldnt make you sick if you drank mind, however, the alcohol *could* make them less efficient so it might not be the best of ideas to get shitfaced! ;)
[12:47] <mungojerry> awww toddlers http://i.imgur.com/p9wnQ.gif
[12:51] <czajkowski> awwww
[12:52]  * mungojerry is a bit broody
[13:03] <mungojerry> anyone who syncs their desktop PC data to cloud or other storage - what do you do with . files?
[13:04] <mungojerry> currently am just backing up Documents , but a recent hard drive crash meant i lost lots of configs :(
[13:07] <popey> i backup my entire home folder
[13:10] <mungojerry> drip-sync, or a backup job?
[13:11] <mungojerry> i do one-off backup jobs at home of /home to other folder
[13:12] <mungojerry> but my work pc i am ownclouding
[13:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> I backup ~, /etc, and /var (sometimes)
[13:13] <bigcalm[mob]> Hi peeps :)
[13:13] <AlanBell> hi bigcalm
[13:13] <bigcalm[mob]> Pop
[13:14] <bigcalm[mob]> Alanbell: I'm at  conference today hence my lack of response but get email when mentioned.
[13:15] <bigcalm[mob]> Yes still up for beerage on Saturday
[13:15] <bigcalm[mob]> popey: see above in response to your question as well :)
[13:16] <popey> woot
[13:16] <popey> will see if I can get a pass
[13:16] <bigcalm[mob]> davmor2: London continues to suck
[13:16] <bigcalm[mob]> Get a pass from whom?
[13:18] <AlanBell> bigcalm[mob]: when are you in London until?
[13:18] <bigcalm[mob]> popey: I'm down for 4 days, so don't feel limited to Saturday evening :)
[13:19] <davmor2> bigcalm[mob]: did you ever stop to wonder if it only sucks when you are there?  I think they do it deliberately for visitors ;)
[13:19] <bigcalm[mob]> AlanBell: I have an off peak ticket, so have to wait around until 7pmish u
[13:19] <davmor2> bigcalm[mob]: Everyone seems to rave about London but I'm with you I just don't see it :)
[13:19] <bigcalm[mob]> Before I can go home
[13:20] <bigcalm[mob]> davmor2: hehe. You might be right
[13:21] <bigcalm[mob]> AlanBell: are you in the big smoke today?
[13:21] <christel> i'm not a big fan of londonia
[13:21] <AlanBell> bigcalm[mob]: no, not today
[13:21]  * bigcalm[mob] hugs christel
[13:22]  * christel hugs bigcalm[mob]
[13:22] <bigcalm[mob]> Time to go. Catch you later
[13:22] <christel> i intend to mention bigcalm in every other sentence now just so  that he keeps getting emails saying that someone is talking about him!
[13:23] <davmor2> christel: that's just harsh think about bigcalm 's poor inbox
[13:23] <davmor2> christel: bigcalm is right though it soon gets boring :D
[13:24] <christel> that is exactly what i am doing! bigcalm will feel loved and special when he gets something other than spam
[13:24] <christel> oh i didnt spot your evil twin before he left!
[13:24] <diplo> what has bigcalm setup ? Can't be bothered to scroll up?
[13:25] <popey> bigcalm, where are you staying?
[13:25] <davmor2> yeah I need to swap it's irc channels over to me irssi proxy
[13:25] <christel> diplo: he has one of these irc -> email scripts running so that he gets an email whenever we Talk About Him
[13:25] <christel> (paranoid man that bigcalm is!)
[13:26] <diplo> bigcalm sounds very paranoid!
[13:26]  * diplo wonders how soon it will take bigcalm to get annoyed with it
[13:26] <diplo> :P
[13:27] <davmor2> diplo: it's useful if you are on more than one channel :)
[13:28] <diplo> I guess I'm not that fussed :)
[13:40] <popey> bigcalm can come and tidy my desk for me Needs a tidy... http://popey.com/~alan/desk.jpg
[13:41] <brobostigon> wow, nice setup.
[13:45] <davmor2> popey: I don't think you have anywhere near enough screens, keyboard or tablets there you need MOAR
[13:46] <popey> +1
[13:47]  * mgdm has a 27" iMac and a 32" telly on his desk at work for testing porpoises
[13:47] <mgdm> I can barely move
[13:51] <directhex> how does one evaluate small cetaceans with LCD displays?
[13:52] <mgdm> very well, thank you
[13:54] <mattt> i need a new monitor for home
[13:54] <mattt> any recommendations?
[13:54] <mattt> 24" widescreen or something of that nature
[13:54] <Dave2> Dell U2412M
[13:55] <AlanBell> for testing porpoises go to testtheporpoise.com. simples
[13:55]  * mgdm has a Samsung 24" 1080p monitor, which is fine
[13:55] <mgdm> I can't remember the model, sadly
[13:55] <mattt> yeah, i quite like the dell ultrasharps
[13:56] <mattt> they're quite ex tho :)
[13:56] <mattt> mgdm: cool, will have a peek
[13:57] <gord> i have two 24" samsung 1200p monitors :P
[13:57] <popey> i have a cheap philips on my desk
[13:58] <gord> i have to keep checking websites to catch them when they are cheep. everything else is 1080p or rediculously expensive
[13:58] <popey> be nice if they did monitors with 2xvga, 2xdvi and 2xhdmi
[13:58] <gord> why would you want two inputs?
[13:58] <mgdm> this one actually doesn' thave a model number written on it
[13:58] <mgdm> suffice to say it's a SyncMaster of some sort
[13:59] <gord> syncmasters say on the top left, least both of mine do
[13:59] <mgdm> Oh, FFS
[13:59] <gord> :P
[13:59] <mgdm> Yes, it's a P2450 :) I suspect they'll have a newer one by now
[14:08] <bigcalm_laptop> Gits :P
[14:08] <bigcalm_laptop> Love you all though
[14:09] <christel> <3
[14:13] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: now or next week?
[15:15] <popey> bug 1042343
[15:25] <shauno> remind me again, why can't we ban timezones?
[15:27] <mgdm> I'd like to ban daylight saving time
[15:28] <shauno> I want to scrap them completely.  my head hurts.
[17:21] <Seeker`> hmm, preordered an iphone 5 through carphone warehouse over the phone. Wonder whether I should have had a confirmation email yet
[17:36] <pinky-> iphone 5 is only avail on EE and Three, not avail on 02 or Voda.. The battercharger from old iphones are obsolete so new required also
[17:36] <AlanBell> wonder if the daily live cd works today
[17:38] <pinky-> battery*
[17:38] <pinky-> oh and you cannot make a call and surf net at same time
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: yay Apple.. oh wait
[17:42]  * MartijnVdS had an interesting experience with Apple's lock-in today
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> or actually, other people did (I just showed them that what they wanted to do was impossible unless they used ONLY apple hard/software)
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> (or ONLY other hard/software)
[17:43] <Seeker`> pinky-: well, thats just wrong
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> no mixing
[17:43] <pinky-> I'm desperate for a new phone and undecided what to buy next...
[17:44] <Seeker`> iphone 5 is available on all of the operators on the UK
[17:44] <Seeker`> You can only get 4G on EE / Three in the near future
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: Galaxy Nexus still wins for me :)
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> even though it's almost a year old now
[17:44] <pinky-> I read tech-news otherday that said different
[17:44] <pinky-> maybe I need to research further
[17:44] <Seeker`> http://www.vodafone.co.uk/brands/iphone/pay-monthly-iphone/index.htm
[17:45] <Seeker`> Well, that took the whole of 2 seconds to disprove :P
[17:45] <Seeker`> and http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/iphone-5
[17:45] <Seeker`> o2 are being really slow releasing their pre-orders though
[17:45] <Seeker`> hence why I gave up and pre-ordered from carphone warehoues
[17:47] <pinky-> The iPhone 5′s LTE Will Only Work on EE, Even After Vodafone and O2 Roll Out 4G too <= yes I see news has been updated thanks for pointing it out
[17:48] <popey> Ng, ordered yours? :)
[17:48] <Ng> popey: yup
[17:48] <popey> :)
[17:48] <Ng> 32gb black
[17:48] <Ng> popey: you?
[17:49] <Seeker`> Ng: snap
[17:49] <popey> nope
[17:49] <popey> sticking with 4s till Ubuntu phone arrives :)
[17:49] <Seeker`> Ng: who did you order with?
[17:49]  * Seeker` is upgrading from an almost-broken 3GS
[17:49] <Ng> Seeker`: direct from apple
[17:50] <pinky-> http://www.information-age.com/channels/comms-and-networking/news/2123318/apple-iphone-5-is-an-ee-4g-exclusive-in-the-uk.thtml
[17:50] <Seeker`> I tried to do that. Ran out between putting it in my basket and getting to the checkout though
[17:50] <Seeker`> pinky-: 'a 4G exclusive'
[17:51] <pinky-> says on that page.. Everything Everywhere, the owner of the T-Mobile and Orange networks, is in the process of selling part of its 4G band to mobile operator Three. If it went ahead, the deal would make Three the only other mobile operator in the UK to offer 4G services compatible with Apple's new iPhone.
[17:51] <Seeker`> yup. 4G services compatible. Not that Vodafone or O2 can't have the iphone 5.
[17:51] <Seeker`> Not sure how many other ways there are of saying it
[17:52] <pinky-> hehe
[17:52] <Seeker`> not sure whether I should be concerned over lack of confirmation email
[17:53] <Seeker`> I bet HSBC have blocked the payment or something. They seem to be really bored in their fraud department at the moment, seem to be blocking just about every transaction with my credit card.
[17:55] <pinky-> 2 wifi's in the iphone 5 is quite funky..
[17:59] <pinky-> I watch BBC Parliament regular in day time when nothing else on and I've noticed alllll politicians use Blackberrys. It must be because of encryption.
[18:00] <pinky-> and/or group chat
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> No, it's because they don't have any connection with "normal" people
[18:03] <pinky-> hehe well said:)
[18:05] <pinky-> yeah I liked Blackberry when they were first launched but I wouldn't buy one now
[18:07] <pinky-> and I really do need a new mobilephone
[18:08] <pinky-> I wonder if the new iphone 5 has real glass for the screen and break if you drop them? I don't know as not looked it up or read anything related yet.
[18:09] <pinky-> hmm I'm off to look stuff up, bbiab
[18:18] <bigcalm_laptop> Good afternoon peeps :)
[18:26] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: you know it's evening now right?
[18:27] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: time is relative. And it _is_ after noon :)
[18:27] <bigcalm_laptop> Best thing about London?
[18:27] <bigcalm_laptop> Leaving it to go home :)
[18:27] <pinky-> don't wear a watch and "you" decide what the time is
[18:27] <popey> pip pip
[18:28] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: That's not fair, there are some good people there too, but on the whole I find the best thing about London is it makes you appreciate where you live more :)
[18:29] <davmor2> popey: Tally Ho
[18:30] <pinky-> yeah I was born and bred in Hayes near Uxbridge but live in Yorkshire now and I'm much happier here as life is quiet and slow
[18:30] <pinky-> and the air is freash
[18:32] <pinky-> I live in a small village 1 mile from the sea and everybody knows everybody in the village... they miss nothing!
[18:32] <pinky-> so everybody behaves
[18:33] <pinky-> I could never move back to London, been here too long now and like it
[18:34] <pinky-> moving back to London would disturb me
[18:36] <popey> i used to work in uxbridge for a while
[18:36] <popey> that place is a hole
[18:36] <AlanBell> so did I
[18:38] <davmor2> popey: it might be a hole but it isn't in the middle of the Atlantic now is it :D
[18:39] <popey> thats aldershot
[18:39] <pinky-> I lived in Bordon near Aldershot for a few years once too
[18:39]  * bigcalm_laptop is just passing though Watford Junction
[18:39] <bigcalm_laptop> \o/
[18:42] <pinky-> the Big Divide is somehwere just north of Watford Junction
[18:42] <pinky-> so they say
[18:45] <Seeker`> bigcalm_laptop: you'll be near me now then
[18:45]  * Seeker` expects bigcalm_laptop to drop out due to tunnels shortly
[18:52] <Azelphur> anyone know roughly how much you'd pay for a home insurance type thing that would cover you for gadgets while wandering too?
[18:54] <pinky-> I've got mobilephone insurance from my banks but I pay monthly fees for the account so I'm unsure
[18:54] <pinky-> bank*
[18:54] <Azelphur> yea, I heard it's pretty cheap if you get the whole deal covered in one go
[18:55] <pinky-> yeah I get travel insurance and RAC cover and online fraud insurance thrown in
[18:56] <Azelphur> fun
[18:56] <pinky-> freebies really. its just the account I needed
[18:57] <popey> usually you have to specify on the policy certain items over a specific value
[18:57] <Azelphur> what perks does the account give you?
[18:57] <Azelphur> ah
[18:57] <jacobw> evening
[18:58] <Azelphur> I mean I checked out a few places that offer gadget insurance, but they are usually quite expensive (£15 a month-ish) for my GS3 Nexus 7 and a laptop
[19:25]  * MartijnVdS books a trip on a boat
[19:52] <shauno> off-chance anyone knows how to get mysql to not treat í and i as equals?
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> shauno: "collation"
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> is the magic word
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> shauno: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/367711/what-is-the-best-collation-to-use-for-mysql-with-php
[20:10] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://www.splicd.com/IzmNy3jqFog/2064/2074 british police are fun :D
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: uh what
[20:10] <Azelphur> xD
[20:11] <shauno> hm, I thought I was using utf8_bin
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> ooh, new QI tonight
[21:32] <AlanBell> QI was good
[21:46] <mattt> internet's down
[21:46] <mattt> trying bt fon
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> BT fon hom?
[21:54]  * mattt looks at martinvds
[21:55] <MartijnVdS> mattt: "ET phone home"?
[21:58] <shauno> good lord, it actually works - https://dl.dropbox.com/s/hwyayrsecnp5bqt/Screen%20Shot%202012-09-14%20at%2022.56.08.png
[21:59] <shauno> crazy i18n _and_ timezones at 11pm.  how much do I hate myself right now.
[22:00] <MartijnVdS> shauno: but can you do this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205756/
[22:01] <ali1234> great
[22:01] <ali1234> perl scripts will make even less sense
[22:02] <ali1234> python3 can do that too
[22:02] <ali1234> why does perl use that "my" keyword?
[22:02] <ali1234> what are they trying to say by calling it "my"
[22:07] <ali1234> turns out what they are trying to say is "we already used the local keyword for something totally bizarre that nobody would ever want to do"