[06:48] <Kilos> merry Christmas all. and good morning
[08:15] <Squirm> Merry Christmas to all, good morning, and goodbye for now :)
[09:39] <theblazehen_mobi> merry xmas
[09:48] <Kilos> morning peeps
[09:49] <Vince-0> !
[09:52] <Kilos> !
[11:43] <charl> good afternoon !
[11:43] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:43]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:47] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[12:10] <Kilos> hi charl
[12:10] <Kilos> your coffee is cold alreeady
[12:10] <Kilos> already as well
[12:14] <charl> lol
[12:15] <charl> hi Kilos
[12:15] <charl> oh psy is back in NL i see ...
[12:15] <Kilos> aha\
[12:15] <Kilos> maybe for the hols
[12:15] <charl> yeah those poor east block countries are not so good in the middle of recession
[12:16] <Kilos> went for his presents
[12:16] <charl> ah lol
[16:26] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:42] <Kilos> hi captine
[18:42] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:43] <Kilos> i dont remember if you've been here before
[18:44] <captine> Hi there
[18:45] <captine> Thanks.  Been some time back (joined for the November meeting, I think)
[18:45] <Kilos> aha so why you been so scarce then we had another meet this monday past
[18:46] <Kilos> 28th jan next meeting
[18:50] <Kilos> hi SabreWolfy
[18:50] <SabreWolfy> Ho
[18:50] <SabreWolfy> Or hi
[18:51] <Kilos> lol
[18:51] <SabreWolfy> I'm using a tiny Galaxy Ace now.
[18:57] <captine> yip
[18:57] <captine> meant to join.  Got inlaws visiting and having a baby any day now, so lots happening
[19:00] <Kilos> wow congrats
[19:01] <superfly> ah yes, I remember those days
[19:02] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:02] <Kilos> get ready no sleep
[19:03] <Kilos> sleep now while you can
[19:09] <captine> lol
[19:09] <captine> yip
[19:24] <Kilos> where did that come from?
[19:28] <SabreWolfy> What?
[19:29] <Kilos> GARBAGE: calvino.freenode.net #54 Kilos 152 #ubuntu-za Wraz H
[19:29] <SabreWolfy> Oh.
[19:29] <SabreWolfy> No idea what that is.
[19:30] <Kilos> nor me thats why i asked
[19:30] <Kilos> hehe
[19:30] <Kilos> captine, you using windows
[19:30] <Kilos> ?
[19:31] <SabreWolfy> Sorry...had to ask because I cleared scrollback.
[19:31] <Kilos> np
[19:41] <captine> nope
[19:41] <captine> am on 13.10
[19:42] <captine> using xchat
[19:42] <captine> why?
[19:52] <Kilos> i wondered where you got that funny line from
[19:54] <Kilos> captine, let us know the good news hey. and not when the kid is a tottler already
[19:56] <Kilos> i gotta go sleep now guys. you all have a great night and sleep tight
[19:57] <captine> what line?
[19:57] <captine> not sure what you refering to.  Am hoping to get more involved in linux etc, and will be sure to be around more


[08:29] <ESphynx> hey guys, what's the deal with the jpeg8 libraries? they seem to be mutually exclusive with the jpeg62 dev headers?
[12:34] <mohamedalaa98> Hi!
[12:35] <mohamedalaa98> Can you please review th propose https://code.launchpad.net/~m-alaa8/ubuntu/raring/im-switch/fix-for-621204/+merge/132031
[12:35] <mohamedalaa98> *this
[12:35] <mohamedalaa98> thank you :)
[17:00] <alo21> hi all
[17:01] <alo21> I would like to upgrade some packages. I have no upload right, so the only way is to make a request.
[17:02] <obounaim> Hello everybody,
[17:02] <alo21> My question is: How should I act? I mean... when I find a package to upgrade in LP (like: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zpaq/+bug/1074840), what are the steps?
[17:03] <alo21> obounaim: hi
[17:03] <jtaylor> alo21: the first step should probably be forwarding the issue to debian
[17:04] <alo21> jtaylor: you mean if there's an upgrated package there?
[17:04] <jtaylor> the maintainer is still active, so best contact him
[17:04] <alo21> ok
[17:04] <jtaylor> http://packages.qa.debian.org/z/zpaq.html
[17:05] <alo21> jtaylor: this mean I will never find a package without a maintainer
[17:05] <jtaylor> in debian no
[17:05] <jtaylor> but sometimes the maintainer is not active anymore, then it gets complicated
[17:06] <alo21> jtaylor: once time I forward the issue?
[17:08] <jtaylor> ?
[17:11] <alo21> jtaylor: if the package will be upload in Debian, should I make a sync request?
[17:11] <jtaylor> yes
[17:11] <jtaylor> it will likely go into experimental which needs manual sync
[17:12] <alo21> jtaylor: what do you mean with 'manual sync'?
[17:13] <jtaylor> stuff from unstable is synced automatically
[17:13] <jtaylor> until some point in the cycle
[17:13] <jtaylor> after that or when its in experimental you need to request a sync
[17:18] <alo21> jtaylor: ok... just one more question. Here (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zpaq) there is jary aalto as maintainer. The name shows there is the debian's maintainer or the Ubuntu's one?
[17:18] <jtaylor> its the debian maintainer
[17:18] <jtaylor> ubuntu does rarely have maintainers
[17:19] <jtaylor> if the version has no ubuntuX its definitely a debian maintained package
[17:21] <maxb> ....mostly :-0
[17:21] <maxb> er, :-)
[17:21] <maxb> The exception would be the few packages that are developed specifically for Ubuntu
[17:21] <jtaylor> those have -0ubuntuX as version
[17:22] <maxb> !info upstart
[17:22] <jtaylor> there are only very few were this is not true
[17:22] <jtaylor> mostly very old ones
[17:22] <maxb> hm, I'm sure there's a few examples somewhere
[17:22] <jtaylor> only few
[17:22] <siretart> !info udev
[17:23] <maxb> OK, cheating slightly, but:
[17:23] <maxb> !info ubuntu-docs
[17:23] <maxb> :-)
[17:23] <siretart> !info libav-extra :-)
[17:23] <siretart> gnarf
[17:23] <siretart> !info libav-extra
[17:23] <siretart> seriously?
[17:24] <siretart> ubottu: am i imagining https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/libav-extra then?
[17:24] <maxb> OK, my knowledge of upstart versioning is evidently a bit out of date, it got the 0ubuntuX treatment in oneiric
[17:26] <micahg> siretart: the bot doesn't know about source packages
[17:29] <jtaylor> it didn't have it before oneiric because it was in sync with debian
[17:29] <jtaylor> but still its one of the packages maintained in ubuntu, stuff in universe is normally debian maintained
[17:33] <alo21> jtaylor: the maintainer told me that he could not upgrade the package because 'Zpaq after 1.10 are complete rewrites'.
[17:33] <alo21> what should I do?
[17:34] <siretart> micahg: oh, i see. thanks
[17:34] <jtaylor> did he say why that prevents updating?
[17:34] <siretart> micahg: what do you think about uploading libav to raring?
[17:34] <jtaylor> also did you file a bug?
[17:35] <micahg> siretart: well, as we discussed before release, sooner is better as soon as it's ABI stable
[17:35] <siretart> micahg: it is supposed to be now.
[17:36] <alo21> jtaylor: I sent him the bug's link, and he told me what I wrote you before
[17:37] <jtaylor> ask him to explain it in more detail, preferably in a bug report so its public
[17:50] <jtaylor> I just saw he answered in the ubuntu bug
[18:05] <alo21> jtaylor: yes
[18:14] <alo21> jtaylor: here is another upgrade-request (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipmitool/+bug/1074443), and it seems to be noticed yet (http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/ipmitool.html), Haven'i I to send an email to debian's maintainer. Right?
[18:19] <jtaylor> alo21: file a bug in debian
[18:20] <alo21> jtaylor: but it is in TODO list yet
[18:21] <alo21> have I to do this anyway?
[18:22] <jtaylor> which todo list?
[18:23] <alo21> here http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/ipmitool.html
[18:24] <jtaylor> its still better to request it
[18:25] <jtaylor> as debian is frozen it would need to go into experimental, the maintainer may only want to do that if there is a request for it
[18:41] <alo21> jtaylor: have I attach the debian's bug in LP?
[18:48] <jtaylor> alo21: click on affects distribution -> select debian and paste the bug url
[18:49] <jtaylor> you should also be more verbose in the debian bug, at least link to the ubuntu bug
[18:51] <jtaylor> also remember to subscribe to debian b ugs
[18:51] <jtaylor> its not done by default
[18:53] <tumbleweed> but one generally CCs the reporter when replying to a bug, if their input is desired
[18:53] <jtaylor> yes but that can be forgotten
[18:53] <tumbleweed> yeah, "generally" :)
[18:55] <alo21> jtaylor: thanks
[19:13] <zhur> Hello!  I don't know if this is the right channel but can someone help me with a package creating?  I've got a project sources where one of the build dependencies is bundled with the project.  How do I write a rules file that runs build of the subproject first and then the project itself (both are cmake-based)?
[21:09] <rigid> ahoy
[21:14] <rigid> can anyone tell me what I is needed (besides a webserver) to host a deb repository? (so the user can just add it like described here http://deb.opera.com/ for example)
[21:14] <rigid> under the estimation that this is the best way to provide 3rd-party software in ubuntu...
[21:24] <maxb> rigid: Besides a webserver you just need software to write the appropriate index files which tell apt what's available in the repository
[21:25] <maxb> I find reprepro to be a good tool for managing a repository like this
[21:25] <maxb> Though it is a tool you should expect to spend some time learning
[21:26] <rigid> maxb: ah ok, so I need another program to do that...
[21:27] <maxb> Alternatively there are various ways to generate indexes for just an assortment of .deb files thrown in a directory, but I don't recommend that approach for anything but the smallest most ad-hoc repository
[21:28] <rigid> maxb: it's a very small repo, really... i would like to keep it at a minimum
[21:29] <maxb> Is it going to be hosted on a Debian/Ubuntu server?
[21:30] <rigid> no
[21:30] <rigid> it will be hosted on gentoo
[21:30] <maxb> Hmm. It can be tricky to sort out the index generation if you don't at least have an installation of dpkg
[21:31] <rigid> i have dpkg
[21:31] <rigid> i also have http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debianutils.html and http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debhelper.html available
[21:32] <maxb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333265/ is a script I wrote to do some very basic repositorymaking for a handful of local temporary packages in build environments
[21:32] <maxb> I would expect you need to tweak it, but it should give you some inspiration and lead you in the right directions
[21:32] <rigid> ah cool... thanks
[21:33] <rigid> i have dpkg-scanpackages and dpkg-scansources ... i guess i'll give it a try


[00:28] <Takyoji> What would be the most practical (and hopefully even automated) approach to regression testing this bug myself to hopefully get it finally resolved? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/763688
[00:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 763688 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (openSUSE) (and 2 other projects) "[915GM] S-video output doesn't work in Natty (i386) (affects: 29) (dups: 1) (heat: 150)" [Undecided,New]
[00:28] <Takyoji> Before myself, and those affected, go neurotic.


[01:26] <ibeardslee> umm afternoon
[01:44] <Atamira> what a beautiful day
[01:44] <Atamira> absolutely beautiful
[01:44] <Atamira> a tad chilly ..but still beautiful
[02:01] <ibeardslee> it is nice out there, sadly I'm inside ripping up icky carpet off the concrete floor
[02:02] <ibeardslee> rot in the walls will be ignored for now, at least until I have the funds (or the bank does) to deal to the exterior as well
[02:37] <Atamira> mildew sucks
[02:37] <Atamira> tho, icky carpet is worse
[02:38] <ibeardslee> already spent about $40k doing 1/2 the house
[02:38] <ibeardslee> 3/4 of the raming in one wall was replaced
[02:38] <ibeardslee> s/raming/framing/
[02:48] <ajmitch> sounds expensive
[02:49] <ajmitch> the house is reasonably old, or did it just rot from the inside out?
[02:49] <ibeardslee> yeah the other side of the house has the plumbing got the kitchen and the upstiars bathroom
[02:49] <ibeardslee> 80's
[02:49] <ajmitch> bit of a worry that you're having to replace framing
[02:50] <ibeardslee> the sheets of hardiplank don't seem to have been joined properly and have moved over the years
[02:50] <ibeardslee> water has been driven in through the small cracks
[02:51]  * ajmitch hopes it's been sealed properly this time :)
[02:51] <ibeardslee> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ibeardslee/3055596888/in/set-72157605601881033
[02:53] <ibeardslee> ajmitch: the walls that have been done, yes
[02:55] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: ugh, bad luck on that
[02:55] <ibeardslee> yeah
[02:56] <mwhudson> whereabouts are you?
[02:56] <ibeardslee> j'ville
[02:57] <mwhudson> hopefully not completely exposed to the wind then i guess?
[02:58] <ibeardslee> exposed enough that I blame the wind for moving the house enough for cracks to appear and then driving the water in
[04:02] <hads> That sounds annoying.
[20:34] <Atamira> morning
[20:40] <ajmitch> morning
[21:52] <snail> morning all


[14:01] <eagles0513875> pleia2: seems like there is resistance to a custom developed document management system
[16:01] <pleia2> eagles0513875: I only see the comment from bkerensa
[16:02] <pleia2> it certaainly is an ambitious plan :) I think defining the requirements at this stage so you can evaluate existing options is good
[16:45] <eagles0513875> pleia2: i am reevaluating my concept at this point
[16:45] <eagles0513875> if we can work with alfresco and get the issues ironed out with open jdk erroring under high load
[16:45] <eagles0513875> i think alfresco would be a very viable option
[16:46] <eagles0513875> mhall119: balloons either of you around
[16:46] <pleia2> ok
[16:47] <mhall119> eagles0513875: in a meeting atm
[16:48] <eagles0513875> no problem mhall119 i might be able to provide you with the documentation of alfresco that might help you get a charm created
[16:53] <balloons> eagles0513875, in meetin'
[16:57] <eagles0513875> balloons: ok sry
[16:57] <eagles0513875> pleia2: alfresco is very nice to work with
[16:57] <eagles0513875> pleia2:  it has great potential in this application. for alot of projects and versioning control of documents as well as images eliminating the need for bzr all together
[16:58] <eagles0513875> we need to put it under high load and debug what issues alfresco is having with open jdk
[17:00] <pleia2> I think sorting out requirements is an important first step, we do need to support things like translations
[17:00] <pleia2> and make srure the translations community is ok with a translations system outside of bzr
[17:01] <eagles0513875> let me ask something really quickly
[17:01] <eagles0513875> pleia2: what format do the current translation files take?
[17:01] <eagles0513875> if they are .po files i think we could setup a seperate system entierly
[17:01] <eagles0513875> using pootle
[17:01] <pleia2> I don't know anything about translations
[17:02]  * pleia2 only speaks english :)
[17:02] <eagles0513875> i have done a bit of translating of libreoffice
[17:02] <eagles0513875> pootle is vry easy to make sure no strings are missed and can be done either offline or online
[17:03] <eagles0513875> pleia2: http://pootle.translatehouse.org/
[17:03] <eagles0513875> have no experience with system setup of this stuff.
[17:03] <eagles0513875> http://pootle.translatehouse.org/discover.html pleia2
[17:04] <pleia2> eagles0513875: honestly I don't have time to learn about them either, you'll really want to engage with them directly
[17:04] <eagles0513875> ya i dont either
[17:04] <eagles0513875> tbh
[17:04] <eagles0513875> atm catchign up on stuff for a deadline of two days ago
[17:06] <pleia2> even if I understood, I can't speak for preferences or workflows :)
[17:07] <pleia2> overhauling documentation is a massive job and you will need to recruit a team to work with if you want to propose something
[17:07] <eagles0513875> there is you phillw belkinsa lol
[17:07] <eagles0513875> im sure hall and the baloon master would be willing to join us
[17:08] <eagles0513875> dont want to highlight them as they are in a meeting
[17:08] <pleia2> I can devote time to improving the existing docs, but not this whole new system
[17:09] <pleia2> I've never really liked the comment-style docs and I remain unconvinced that months of work this will take will actually lead to something better
[17:10] <pleia2> but if it's something you want to do, I fully support the attempt :)
[17:10] <pleia2> just can't work on it directly myself
[17:10] <eagles0513875> i would love to do it :)
[17:10] <eagles0513875> it will be way easier to manage the teams and documentation
[17:10] <eagles0513875> with alfresco you setup projects
[17:10] <eagles0513875> and each project has its own wiki etc
[17:10] <eagles0513875> and then you add people to each respective project etc
[17:46] <shaunm> eagles0513875: what's wrong with the current bzr-based workflow?
[17:58] <eagles0513875> shaunm: dont you think its a bit steep of a learning curve for someone who has no idea how to work with version control
[17:58] <eagles0513875> let alone using the commandline with it
[18:05] <shaunm> eagles0513875: in my experience, these things aren't terribly difficult to teach.
[18:06] <shaunm> I mean, there are always trade-offs between making systems easier for beginners and making them useful for efficiently producing great results
[18:25] <eagles0513875> pleia2: what the heck is the deal with ubuntu splitting off dovecot for instance into a million different packages
[19:04] <eagles0513875> hey belkinsa
[19:04] <belkinsa> Hey, need anything from me?
[19:04] <eagles0513875> no just saying hi
[19:04] <belkinsa> I see.
[19:04] <eagles0513875> and swearing as to why canonical has opted to fragment dovecot into even more packages then before
[19:05]  * belkinsa is completely clueless here
[20:36] <pleia2> eagles0513875: in the case of dovecot there are lots of different add-ons for it, not all of which everyone wants to use, different database backends, different protocol support, much much better to just be able to install what you want to use + run than a monster of a package that has everything
[20:41] <pleia2> (and it wasn't Ubuntu or Canonical, those packages come from Debian


 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-beta-delayed-xz-liblzma-security-update/43827
[12:14] <sgmoore> Oh thank goodness. Still no ISO builds.


[01:14] <DeVASTAte> hello?
[01:15] <DarkwingDuck> Greetings
[01:17] <DeVASTAte> I am not new to Ubuntu, and I can't code very well. I would like to help out with Documentation.
[01:17] <DarkwingDuck> Wonderful!
[01:17] <DeVASTAte> I think I can help there or maybe as an advocate
[01:17] <DeVASTAte> i am trying to help both placed
[01:17] <DeVASTAte> places
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> That's where I started... Was documentation
[01:18] <DeVASTAte> I already present Ubuntu and talk to people about it
[01:18] <DeVASTAte> cool
[01:18] <DeVASTAte> ok
[01:18] <DeVASTAte> so i have read some of the documentation abou tgetting started but I am still confused
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam ?
[01:18] <DeVASTAte> can you show me were to start? Launchpad?
[01:19] <DeVASTAte> ok
[01:19] <DeVASTAte> I will read that and see what I can come up with.
[01:20] <DarkwingDuck> You use Ubuntu or one of the variants
[01:21] <DarkwingDuck> DeVASTAte: Here are the list of bugs. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs
[01:21] <DeVASTAte> Super!
[01:22] <DeVASTAte> Would like to work for Canonical some day. You would think an 20 year IT guy with lots of history and systems admin could find a place.
[01:22] <DeVASTAte> Maybe I will work my way in this way.
[01:22] <DeVASTAte> thanks for your help...
[01:23] <DarkwingDuck> Anytime.


[09:41] <rmg51> Morning
[11:59] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[15:23] <InHisName1> MORNING
[16:13] <lazyPower> Morning o/
[16:13] <lazyPower> technically afternoon at this time, but meh
[18:08] <jedijf> darn you yinzers.....Your request to the wplug mailing list
[18:08] <jedijf> Posting of your message titled "Re: OT: FOSSCON 2014 REGISTRATION
[18:08] <jedijf> now OPEN -"
[18:08] <jedijf> has been rejected by the list moderator.  The moderator gave the
[18:08] <jedijf> following reason for rejecting your request:
[18:08] <jedijf> "Non-members are not allowed to post messages to this list."
[18:33] <JonathanD> Hi.
[19:30] <jedijf> JonathanD: i was gonna join list -post - quit list - but whatever.....all the cool yinzers are here anyway


[00:01] <cprofitt> I really like the inclusion of the loco team member
[00:02] <jono> cprofitt, :-)
[00:02] <jono> that definitely needs some more documentation
[00:02] <cprofitt> are you looking for additional award ideas as well?
[00:03] <jono> cprofitt, always, but not on this page
[00:03] <cprofitt> k
[00:03] <jono> cprofitt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Trophies
[00:03] <jono> awesome to see some edits happening
[00:03] <jcastro> ok so I still think "Reported first bug" is a bad idea
[00:03] <jono> thanks everyone!
[00:04] <jono> jcastro, why? they gained the skill to report a bug
[00:04] <jono> that is the point of an accomplishment
[00:04] <jcastro> because all it does is encourage you to file a bug
[00:04] <jcastro> and we don't want that
[00:04] <jcastro> we want good bugs.
[00:04] <jono> which is better than someone not filing a bug
[00:04] <jono> agreed, so add that to the docs
[00:04] <cprofitt> jcastro: true... but it is a baby step
[00:04] <jono> explain what a good bug is
[00:04] <jono> jcastro, this is all designed to be first steps to contribution
[00:04] <cprofitt> the next one can be first bug accepted after triage, etc.
[00:04] <jcastro> sure, I get that
[00:04] <jcastro> right
[00:05] <jono> first steps and better than no first steps
[00:05] <jcastro> it just needs to be first confirmed bug I think
[00:05] <jcastro> or I will just file "The window controls should be on the right."
[00:05] <cprofitt> ah... first confirmed ... yeah I could agree with that
[00:05] <jono> jcastro, well, then you still filed a bug
[00:05] <jono> and that is a good thing
[00:05] <jono> this is about learning the skills to file a bug
[00:05] <cprofitt> all sixes for me on that
[00:05] <jcastro> not if it's extra work for someone else to clean out my noise!
[00:06] <jono> jcastro, right, agreed, but then we get a contributor who now knows how to file a bug
[00:06] <jono> and they can use that skill to help Ubuntu
[00:06] <jcastro> right, so if your bug is good
[00:06] <jcastro> it will get confirmed
[00:06] <jcastro> if it sucks, it'll just sit there
[00:06] <jono> the problem with requiring a confirmed bug is what if they file a great bug...they deserve the trophy, but then they dont get one if noone confirms it
[00:07] <jono> the point of this is not to make this a moderated system where possible
[00:07] <jono> and I agree that this will involve some debate on what makes good and bad accomplishments
[00:07] <jono> and I think those discussions are valuable ones to have too
[00:07] <jcastro> I mean, there's a reason they turned off "submit a bug" in launchpad for most people
[00:07] <jcastro> because they don't want bad bugs
[00:08] <cjohnston> jono: have you packaged accomplishments in a ppa yet?
[00:08] <jono> jcastro, right, and this is why we ask people to use ubuntu-bug here
[00:08] <jcastro> ok, fair enough
[00:08] <jono> cjohnston, not yet, just working on getting the backend ported to twistd and then I plan on releasing a package
[00:08] <cjohnston> ok
[00:08] <jono> cjohnston, my goal is to get a package out ASAP
[00:08] <jono> I am just waiting on oubiwann to finish the port
[00:08] <cjohnston> im gonna install, so just wanted to see
[00:08] <jono> and then I can look into that
[00:09] <cjohnston> it works on +1 as far as you know?
[00:09] <jono> cjohnston, awesome, let me know how you get on
[00:09] <jono> cjohnston, it is built for Precise right now
[00:09] <cjohnston> cool
[00:09] <jono> doesnt work on Oneiric
[00:09] <jono> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing
[00:09] <jono> installing is simple
[00:09] <jono> cjohnston, let me know if you have any problems
[00:09] <cjohnston> yup
[00:10] <jono> akgraner, for the CC one, I would love to see guidance in there on what makes someone a good CC member
[00:10] <jono> that can all go in the summary
[00:10] <cprofitt> I would like to add something like that to the Loco Council as well
[00:10] <jono> jcastro, continuing on from our discussion, I plan on adding "Tips" and "Pitfalls" sections to the accomplishments to say things like "don't file shitty bugs"
[00:11] <jono> cprofitt, that would be great
[00:11] <jono> the goal of these docs is to provide a really solid chunk of guidance so the user knows exactly what to do :-)
[00:12] <cprofitt> are you required to be an Ubuntu Member to be on th LC?
[00:12] <jcastro> hah I hope so
[00:12] <jono> cprofitt, I believe so
[00:12] <cprofitt> k I will add that
[00:12] <jono> cprofitt, the accomplishments requires the Ubuntu Member one to be completed before you can complete this one :-)
[00:12] <cprofitt> got it
[00:13] <cprofitt> so adding that is redundant
[00:13] <jcastro> jono: can we add new ones?
[00:14] <jono> jcastro, I am keeping this page just for editing existing ones, but feel free to create a new page if you like :-)
[00:14] <jcastro> k
[00:15] <jcastro> man so like you know how github gists make git branches of every pastebin
[00:15] <cprofitt> jcastro: if you make the page let me know -- I have a few to add
[00:15] <jcastro> it would be awesome if this could just make branches of pages too
[00:15] <jono> jcastro, yeah, totally
[00:15] <jcastro> http://pad.ubuntu.com/new-accomplishments
[00:15] <jono> maybe p.u.c/accomplishmentsideas ?
[00:15] <jono> oh cool
[00:15] <jcastro> TOO LATE
[00:15] <cprofitt> lol
[00:15] <jono> jcastro, please create them using the same structure and block
[00:16] <jcastro> right
[00:17] <jono> cprofitt, so for your organized a loco event, we just need a script to detect that from loco.ubuntu.com
[00:17] <jono> I am hoping cjohnston might be able to help write the script
[00:17] <jcastro> when he's not busy
[00:18] <jcastro> trying to catch Mr. White in Breaking Bad
[00:18] <jcastro> I know right, looks just like the DEA guy
[00:20] <cprofitt> jono: cool... I can talk with cjohnston
[00:20] <jono> cprofitt, :-)
[00:20] <cprofitt> what about teams that do not use loco.ubuntu.com... or do we want to require that for this reward as an encouragement to use it?
[00:20] <jono> I am keen to see how cjohnston gets on running it
[00:21] <jono> cprofitt, well we can have any accomplishment that we can detect with a script
[00:21] <jono> so loco.ubuntu.com and LP are good resources for doing this
[00:21]  * cprofitt nods
[00:21] <jono> my hunch would be to ask them to use loco.ubuntu.com
[00:21] <jono> as we encourage folks to use that site anyway
[00:21] <jcastro> if you want badges, use loco.ubuntu.com. :)
[00:21] <jcastro> I mean, we spend resources to make it, locos should use it
[00:22] <jono> wow akgraner and cprofittare rocking the docs
[00:23] <cprofitt> that next one might be difficult to detect...
[00:23] <cprofitt> but I will talk to cjohnston
[00:24] <jcastro> hah nice one on the taking pictures at a loco event
[00:26] <cjohnston> jono: I have no trophies :-(
[00:26] <jono> cjohnston, did you install it all?
[00:26] <jono> and click the button to agree to verification?
[00:27] <cjohnston> yup
[00:27] <jono> cjohnston, hmmm, one sec
[00:27] <jono> cjohnston, U1 might be being a little slow
[00:27] <jono> cjohnston, you already have a U1 account right?
[00:27] <cjohnston> yup
[00:27] <jcastro> <--- wife home, outta here, will catch up later
[00:27] <cjohnston> by jcastro
[00:27] <cjohnston> bye
[00:28] <cjohnston> jono: the first time i ran the daemon i got: Running: /home/chris/accomplishments/scripts/ubuntu-community/ubuntu-member.py
[00:28] <cjohnston> ...Other error code.
[00:28] <cjohnston> which i assume could be normal as i havent provided info
[00:28] <jono> cjohnston, which error?
[00:28] <jono> cjohnston, did you type in your LP email address when it asked?
[00:28] <cjohnston> yes.
[00:28] <jono> one sec
[00:29] <cjohnston> the directions have you running the daemon before you enter your LP info tho
[00:29] <jono> yep that is right
[00:29] <jono> the daemon always needs to be running
[00:29] <jono> cjohnston, do me a favor, in a terminal type: u1sdtool --list-shared
[00:29] <cjohnston> so im assuming thats why it errored the first time
[00:29] <jono> youi werent running the daemon?
[00:30] <jono> run the daemon in one terminal
[00:30] <jono> and then run the gui from another terminal
[00:30] <cjohnston> i was.. when i ran the daemon, I got the error... it didnt ask me for login until after i ran the gui
[00:30] <jono> what error?
[00:30] <cjohnston> Running: /home/chris/accomplishments/scripts/ubuntu-community/ubuntu-member.py
[00:30] <cjohnston> 19.28.47 < cjohnston> ...Other error code.
[00:30] <cjohnston> thats a direct copy/paste
[00:30] <cjohnston> no shared jono
[00:31] <jono> hmmm
[00:31] <jono> ok
[00:31] <jono> close your terminals down
[00:31] <jono> now go to ~/.local/share/accomplishments
[00:31] <jono> is there a trophies dir in there?
[00:32] <jono> cjohnston, ^
[00:32] <cjohnston> yes
[00:33] <jono> in there in .extrainformation do you see launchpad-email?
[00:34] <cjohnston> in accomplisments?
[00:35] <jono> in ~/.local/share/accomplishments/trophies/.extrainformation
[00:35] <cjohnston> there is
[00:35] <jono> cool
[00:35] <jono> ok, open a new terminal
[00:36] <jono> make sure the daemon and gui are not running
[00:36] <jono> cat ~/.config/accomplishments/.accomplishments
[00:37] <cjohnston> looks good
[00:37] <cjohnston> they are all correct
[00:37] <jono> can you paste it here?
[00:37] <cjohnston> [config]
[00:37] <cjohnston> has_u1 = True
[00:37] <cjohnston> has_verif = 1
[00:37] <cjohnston> accompath = /home/chris/accomplishments
[00:37] <cjohnston> trophypath = /home/chris/.local/share/accomplishments/trophies
[00:38] <jono> ok cool
[00:38] <jono> ok, open a new termianl
[00:38] <jono> again, ensure the daemon is not running
[00:38] <cjohnston> yup
[00:38] <jono> now cd to ubuntu-accomplishments-system/daemon
[00:38] <jono> and run ./rundaemon.sh
[00:38] <jono> keep an eye on the output
[00:38] <jono> it should say it is going to run the scripts after a few seconds
[00:39] <cjohnston> its running the scripts
[00:39] <jono> any say Accomplished?
[00:39] <cjohnston> member accomplished, fridge not, lp acct accomp
[00:39] <akgraner> jono any Loco team member approved or non-approved gets a trophy right?
[00:39] <cjohnston> completed running scripts
[00:40] <cjohnston> its only running three scripts tho
[00:40] <jono> cjohnston, cool, ok, so it just hasnt offer the share yet
[00:40] <cjohnston> are there more?
[00:40] <jono> cjohnston, it should only run them, the rest are locked
[00:40] <cjohnston> ok
[00:40] <jono> cjohnston, run: u1sdtool --refresh-shares
[00:40] <jono> cjohnston, run: u1sdtool --list-shared
[00:40] <jono> do you see anything in there saying trophies?
[00:41] <cjohnston> u1 seems to be having issues.. running commands for u1sdtool no longer seem to terminate themselves
[00:41] <jono> cjohnston, that is a bug in PRecise
[00:41] <jono> press Ctrl-\ to terminate
[00:42] <jono> cjohnston, one sec
[00:42] <cjohnston> no shared
[00:42] <jono> this is very odd
[00:42] <jono> cjohnston, ok, lets try and reshare
[00:42] <jono> kill the daem
[00:42] <jono> daemon
[00:42] <jono> Ctrl-\ kills it
[00:43] <jono> rm ~/.config/accomplishments/*
[00:43] <jono> cjohnston, now run the daemon again
[00:43] <jono> and then after the daemon has started, run the gui
[00:44] <cjohnston> there is nothing in ~/.config/accomplishments
[00:45] <jono> ok
[00:45] <jono> now run the daemon
[00:45] <cjohnston> * WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'GDriveStartFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags'
[00:46] <jono> cjohnston, thats fine
[00:46] <jono> you can ifnore not
[00:46] <jono> it looks like U1 might be having some issues right now
[00:46] <cjohnston> u1 and me dont get along to the point where I'm moving all of my stuff off of it
[00:47] <jono> heh
[00:48] <cjohnston> it deleted stuff :'-(
[00:48] <jono> actually maybe it is on my end
[00:48] <jono> I think I might know what part of the problem could be here
[00:49] <jono> U1 looks to be working ok
[00:49] <jono> cjohnston, is your U1 working ok on your machine?
[00:50] <jono> cjohnston, did you set it up to work?
[00:50] <cjohnston> yes
[00:50] <jono> or did you not enable it in Precise
[00:50] <cjohnston> its enabled
[00:50] <jono> ok, lets try one more thing
[00:50] <jono> kill the daemon
[00:51] <jono> ps ax | grep accomp\
[00:51] <jono> ps ax | grep accomp
[00:51] <jono> make sure it is not running
[00:51] <jono> make sure the gui is not running
[00:51] <jono> cjohnston, rm -rf ~/.cache/accomplishments/logs/*
[00:52] <jono> cjohnston, rm -rf ~/.config/accomplishments/*
[00:52] <jono> cjohnston, rm -rf ~/.local/share/accomplishments/*
[00:54] <jono> cjohnston, ok, now run ./rundaemon in the daemon dir
[00:54] <jono> then open a new terminal and run the gui with quickly run
[00:54] <jono> be sure to approve the verified trophies and add your LP email address when it asks you
[00:55] <cjohnston> done
[00:55] <cjohnston> still nothing under my trophies
[00:55] <jono> cjohnston, ok, now see if the scripts say accomplished
[00:56] <jono> ok
[00:56] <jono> u1sdtool --list-share\
[00:56] <jono> u1sdtool --list-shared
[00:56] <cjohnston> no shared
[00:56] <jono> ok
[00:56] <jono> cjohnston, now kill the daemon
[00:57] <jono> and restart it again
[00:57] <jono> cjohnston, and now email the log file in .cache/accomplishments/logs
[00:57] <cjohnston> they say accomp
[00:57] <jono> ok cool
[00:58] <jono> now look in .local/share/accomplishments/trophies/ubuntu-community
[00:58] <jono> do you see .trophy files?
[00:58] <cjohnston> yes
[00:58] <jono> brb phone
[01:01] <jono> cjohnston, back
[01:01] <cjohnston> k
[01:01] <jono> ok, try this
[01:01] <jono> load the U1 gui tool thing
[01:01] <jono> and click the button to disconnect and then reconnect
[01:01] <jono> it looks like accomplishments is working but you may have found a U1 bug in Precise
[01:01] <jono> U1 has been working in Precise for me pretty well
[01:02] <jono> cjohnston, can you email me your log file too
[01:02] <jono> there is definitely a bug in the code here regarding the scriptrunner
[01:02] <jono> I need to fix that
[01:03] <cjohnston> .cache/accomp/logs jono ?
[01:03] <jono> yup
[01:03] <jono> there should be one log file in there
[01:03] <jono> thanks for helping test this cjohnston :-)
[01:04] <jono> cjohnston, I suspect your U1 is broken
[01:04] <jono> cjohnston, which email address do you use for it?
[01:05] <cjohnston><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:05] <jono> ok, I will try and offer you a share
[01:05] <jono> let me know if it pops up
[01:05] <cjohnston> mail sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:07] <jono> cjohnston,  do you see a bubble appear?
[01:07] <jono> cjohnston, check your email too
[01:07] <cjohnston> no i havent
[01:09] <jono> cjohnston, no email?
[01:10] <cjohnston> i got it
[01:10] <jono> cjohnston, ok approve the share
[01:11] <jono> now in the U1 gui tool Cloud Folders
[01:11] <jono> and check Sync Locally for the folder I offered you
[01:13] <cjohnston> it still isnt in u1 gui
[01:13] <jono> cjohnston, hmmm
[01:13] <jono> this is odd
[01:14] <cjohnston> i still think my u1 is all sorts of screwy
[01:14] <jono> cjohnston, it seems so
[01:14] <cjohnston> it can take a day for a file to downlaod
[01:14] <cjohnston> so I'll ping you tomorrow night if it isnt wroking?
[01:14] <cjohnston> working
[01:15] <jono> can I ask you to purge U1 from your system and restart
[01:15] <jono> did you upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04?
[01:15] <cjohnston> upgrade, yes
[01:16] <jono> cjohnston, ahhh
[01:16] <jono> I suspect your b0rked U1 came with the upgrade
[01:16] <jono> can I ask you to re-install U1 and then try?
[01:16] <jono> the good news is that it looks like my code is working as expected :-)
[01:16] <cjohnston> itll be a bit
[01:16] <jono> np
[01:16] <jono> cjohnston, I assure you when this works, it is pretty awesome :-)
[01:16] <jono> and worth the effort
[01:17] <cjohnston> lol
[01:17] <cjohnston> jono pm?
[01:17] <jono> cjohnston, sure
[01:18] <cprofitt> etneg: hey
[01:18] <etneg> cprofitt: hey:D
[01:18] <cprofitt> got a link to that stuff you are working on for UGJ?
[01:18] <cprofitt> jono might like to see it!!
[01:18] <etneg> i can post the globe idea
[01:19] <cprofitt> yeah, that works...
[01:19] <etneg> the badge idea should be ready tomorrow hopefully
[01:19] <jono> :--)
[01:19] <cprofitt> I know it is a work in progress, but I think folks would be interested to see it
[01:19] <etneg> http://i42.tinypic.com/16kaxxl.png
[01:20] <etneg> as for the badge i havent done anything yet
[01:21] <cprofitt> etneg: that one if the Ubuntu GLobal Jam badge to wear on the Ubuntu Forums right?
[01:21] <etneg> cprofitt: ye
[01:22] <etneg> it's got a background in there that i wold recommend removing it and keep a transparent bg
[01:22] <etneg> but most of these avatar stuff people seem to use  a bg so i just did one with a bg there
[01:22] <cprofitt> akgraner: what do you think of the UGJ avatar for the forums?
[01:23]  * akgraner looks
[01:24] <akgraner> I like it but it looks like ubj and not ugj
[01:25] <cprofitt> ooh... good catch it does say that
[01:25] <cprofitt> etneg: we need it to be UGJ - Ubuntu Global Jam
[01:25] <cprofitt> I missed that
[01:25] <etneg> ooh right
[01:25] <akgraner> what do the colors mean?
[01:26] <akgraner> anything?
[01:26] <etneg> i had to work on the font anyhow
[01:26] <etneg> the bg is an abstract globe, colors originally are the ubuntu colors there
[01:26] <akgraner> when I look at things like that   usually when people design them often everything means something
[01:27] <etneg> also i went with that coloring scheme as a friendliness atmosphere
[01:27] <cprofitt> akgraner: wait until we unveil the new NY logo that etneg did for us
[01:27] <etneg> the globe idea is cprofitt's concept
[01:27] <cprofitt> He did it as part of the global jam... and we will unveil it Friday
[01:27]  * akgraner wants a new logo now
[01:27] <etneg> i thought instead of the boring same ole earth planet, something more abstract and colorful would do the trick
[01:28] <etneg> ive taken the blues from earth colors onto this one
[01:28] <akgraner> ahh - purple and orange - ok ok aubergine and orange ;-) in the typical blue and green patterns seen on a globe
[01:28] <etneg> there's 3 strokes there
[01:28] <etneg> one on top, middle, and botom
[01:28] <etneg> all of them have the ubuntu color palette
[01:29] <etneg> it's just that under a glass surface  you're not going to see it exactly as it is
[01:29] <akgraner> ok purple and orange just happen to be my absolute favorite colors in the whole world so any excuse I can find to use them I will
[01:29] <etneg> i wanted to mimick the glass surface too
[01:29] <akgraner> I like ut
[01:29] <etneg> heh ok
[01:29] <akgraner> it
[01:29] <etneg> cool
[01:30] <etneg> the typography is supposed to be letterpressed, but at that size i might have to tweak it a bit more
[01:30] <etneg> or just keep i t flat
[01:31] <akgraner> I'm not a graphics person, so is flat what is is now?
[01:32] <etneg> well ye but with the illusion of letter press
[01:32] <etneg> you add a shadow there, a shadow here, few highlights and gie that illusion
[01:32] <akgraner> if you had to keep it that way  - it still looks good
[01:32] <etneg> but on a smale scale like 90x90 needs some tweaking to see it
[01:32] <etneg> ok cool
[01:32] <etneg> :D
[01:33] <akgraner> jono I've added all I can to your summaries
[01:33] <akgraner> unless you want them to be longer :-)
[01:34] <akgraner> james_w, you around?
[01:36] <akgraner> etneg, I can't wait to see the finished product thanks for sharing and I look forward to seeing the new NY one as well.
[01:36] <etneg> akgraner: cool:D thanks
[01:36] <etneg> i'll fix that b on it
[01:37] <akgraner> etneg - heck I might even bug you to help me with a few things :-)
[01:37] <etneg> i keep confusing ugj with ubj for some odd reason
[01:37] <etneg> akgraner: sure sure:D
[01:37] <akgraner> I have a need for some custom Icons - but we can chat about that some other time
[01:38] <etneg> oh ok cool
[01:38] <etneg> icons should be alot simpler than this, but sure we i'l do them
[01:42] <jono> thanks akgraner!
[01:43] <cprofitt> hey jono
[01:44] <cprofitt> did you see etneg's post about his avatar?
[01:44] <jono> etneg, yeah
[01:44] <jono> looks cool
[01:44] <cprofitt> we hope to have that done for tomorrow in final form
[01:44] <etneg> sweet
[01:44] <cprofitt> then I will publish on my blog and people can sport it on the forums
[01:45] <etneg> i'll throw in one more ocncept by tommorrow morning
[01:45] <cprofitt> etneg: has been awesome with his art contributions
[01:45] <etneg> will update you guys then
[01:45] <etneg> cprofitt: thanks:D been fun
[01:49] <cprofitt> no, etneg - thank you for all the work you have done
[01:50] <cprofitt> you rock!!
[01:50]  * etneg nods
[03:16] <james_w> akgraner, am now :-)
[03:17] <nigelb> Its a james_w!
[03:17] <nigelb> :)
[03:21] <james_w> hi nigelb
[04:09] <cprofitt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1933253
[04:09] <cprofitt> posted the forum avatar etneg made for us
[04:49] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[06:20] <ashickur-noor> Hi
[06:20] <ashickur-noor> Any body here?
[06:23] <ashickur-noor> How I can design the event body text?
[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:55] <benonsoftware> Howdy dholbach
[07:56] <dholbach> hey benonsoftware
[07:56] <benonsoftware> How are you?
[07:57] <dholbach> mhall119, https://code.launchpad.net/~maxolasersquad/ubuntu/precise/stellarium/add_quicklist/+merge/94312 is rejected now - I guess I'll leave https://code.launchpad.net/~arashbm/ubuntu/precise/compizconfig-settings-manager/add_quicklist/+merge/94462 as it is, or would it make more sense to ask for it to go upstream too?
[07:57] <dholbach> benonsoftware, good good - I need to reply to<PHONE_NUMBER>6789 emails I got during the night, but apart from that great :)
[07:57] <dholbach> how about you?
[07:57] <benonsoftware> I'm alright
[07:58]  * benonsoftware is trying to get white-out of his computer keyboard
[07:58] <benonsoftware> dholbach: How can one get so many emails in one night? :D
[07:59] <dholbach> benonsoftware, I could imagine the number wasn't 100% accurate ;-)
[07:59] <dholbach> "a lot" :)
[07:59]  * benonsoftware should read his Gmail as it is growing fast and I have no time to check it :D
[07:59] <benonsoftware> Half of its spam
[08:05] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:05] <dholbach> ¿qué tal?
[08:05] <dpm> hey dholbach, good morning!
[08:06] <dholbach> dpm, should https://code.launchpad.net/~uusijani/apt/uusi-branch/+merge/91593 be rather done over here somewhere? https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/apt/+pots/apt-all/fi/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=hash
[08:06] <dpm> looking...
[08:10] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, but after it's done in LP mvo or someone else should fetch all translations and release a new apt package containing them. Translations for apt are not shipped in language packs, so they need to be exported from LP and put into the package. So either a) accepting the merge proposal + new upload, or b) recommending him to translate in LP + translations export + new upload would work.
[08:10] <dholbach> aha ok
[08:10] <dholbach> in that case I'll just get mvo to review it :)
[08:20] <dpm> ok, cool :)
[08:39] <dholbach> today is another renovation day in the next door apartment
[08:39] <dholbach> → coworking space
[08:58] <dpm> hm, has the shortcut to change workspace changed too?
[08:59] <dpm> oh man, it has
[09:04] <dholbach> dpm, it was changed back again AFAIK
[09:04] <dholbach> are you fully updated and restarted your session?
[09:04] <dpm> no, too many windows open right now :)
[09:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:05] <dpm> hey czajkowski
[09:05] <dholbach> the idea was to add "shift+super+arrow keys" to the already existing "ctrl+alt+arrow keys", but compiz can't handle 2 shortcuts for the same thing
[09:05] <dholbach> so either upgrade and restart session, change it in the keyboard settings or deal with it :)
[09:05] <dholbach> hi czajkowski
[09:06]  * czajkowski is awake since 4am this is gonna be a slow day
[09:08] <dholbach> oh wow
[09:08] <dholbach> dpm, who is looking after language-selector these days?
[09:09] <dpm> dholbach, I'll choose "deal with it" for now :) - language-selector has no official maintainer. pitti does some bug fixing, and also GunnarHJ
[09:10] <dholbach> I was just wondering who is going to review and apply fixes - that might be pitti or somebody on the desktop team then
[09:10] <dholbach> thanks
[09:13] <dpm> yeah, probably pitti
[09:27] <czajkowski> dpm: can I close the question  https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/187449
[09:28] <dpm> czajkowski, I (or someone else) just haven't had the chance to reply, I'd leave it open for now
[09:31] <czajkowski> okie dokie thanks
[09:34] <dpm> np :)
[11:01] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:03] <nigelb> popey++
[11:03] <nigelb> popey: Well said arguments :)
[11:04] <popey> thanks
[11:59] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:00] <s-fox> o/ cjohnston
[12:13] <jokerdino> people, who can handle this question well? http://askubuntu.com/questions/108745/why-is-ubuntu-not-publicized-in-big-conferences
[12:13] <czajkowski> jokerdino: well what conferences I guess would be my first question
[12:14] <czajkowski> I do think it has a larger presence in the states than it does at EU events unless it's more commerical
[12:14] <jokerdino> I am guessing something like how Windows or Apple reveals their product.
[12:14] <jokerdino> like keynotes
[12:14] <czajkowski> jokerdino: so more of a business launch
[12:14] <jokerdino> yes.
[12:14] <jokerdino> or like the CES exhibitions, perhaps
[12:15] <jokerdino> the key word in the question is "at launches"
[12:15] <czajkowski> it was at CES
[12:16] <jokerdino> that was this year.
[12:16] <czajkowski> jokerdino: kinda hard to do every 6 months imo given our fast recelease cycle  possibly at a LTS
[12:16] <jokerdino> giving public addresses for LTS will work as well.
[12:16] <popey> we have a live video keynote from mark at UDS
[12:17] <jokerdino> the question was, why is Ubuntu not being publicized about the newer releases / launches.
[12:17] <mhall119> jokerdino: Microsoft and Apple spend a *lot* of money on those
[12:17] <popey> apple has billions in the bank
[12:17] <popey> we dont ☺
[12:17]  * mhall119 wouldn't mind a piece of that
[12:17] <jokerdino> yes they do, and they gain a lot of publicity for that too :D
[12:17] <jokerdino> ah, monetary restrictions, i see.
[12:18] <jokerdino> one of you awesome people can take a shot at that question, then.
[12:18] <czajkowski> jokerdino: I also thinking having a 6 monthly relase in some cases with bug fixes isn't exactly the way to go forard for a press release tbh
[12:19] <jokerdino> it totally makes sense.
[12:19] <jokerdino> i think we are stuck with a vicious cycle :/
[12:23] <cjohnston> james_w: when you get a second, could you please look at the traceback sent 10 hours ago by status?
[13:12] <dholbach> hey mhall119
[13:12] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[13:12] <mhall119> dholbach: alright, you?
[13:12] <dholbach> good good :)
[14:04] <jcastro> popey: listening to the episode now
[14:04] <jcastro> awesome so far
[14:19] <dholbach> huats, on parle un peu en 10 minutes? :)
[14:20] <huats> dholbach: 20 minutes instead would be possible ?
[14:20] <dholbach> ouai, bien sûr
[14:21] <dholbach> huats, j'ai beaucoup de bonne nouvelles
[14:22] <huats> I think I have seen some of them :)
[14:22] <dholbach> :-D
[14:41] <dholbach> huats, I'll create the hangout already
[15:05] <jcastro> mhall119: man dude
[15:06] <jcastro> this guy
[15:06] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/940139
[15:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 940139 in compiz-core "[callgrind] compiz spends about 51% of its CPU time in CompRegion construction/destruction" [High,Fix committed]
[15:06] <jcastro> wow
[15:10] <dholbach> holy cow
[15:10] <mhall119> jcastro: I know right?
[15:10] <popey> help us test it!
[15:10] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/ppa
[15:12]  * mhall119 goes off to dist-upgrade
[15:13] <mhall119> "drops the CompRegion overhead from 51% to 9% "
[15:15] <popey> if you can run checkbox-unity and spend some time doing the 175 or so tests, that would be awesome!
[15:24] <czajkowski> popey: it's a nice app, just way too many tests
[15:25] <czajkowski> and no way to submit half and then continue when you;ve more time/patience
[15:25] <mhall119> +1, being able to submit what you have if you run out of time to test would be nice
[15:27] <czajkowski> nods just too many questions/tasks tbh to do it in one go
[15:28] <popey> yes you can
[15:28] <popey> if you close and re-open it carries on
[15:29] <popey> its about 2 hours to do the full set of tests
[15:59] <jono> dpm, dholbach, balloons, mhall119, jcastro gentleman, all set in a min?
[15:59] <dholbach> yep
[15:59] <mhall119> ready
[15:59] <balloons> yesh!
[16:00] <dpm> jono, all set, jcastro cannot make it today, as per his e-mail a few days ago
[16:00] <cprofitt> popey: the Ubuntu Friendly test?
[16:00] <jono> ahhh yeah
[16:00] <jono> damn, need to reboot, dpm can you create the hangout and send me an invite?
[16:00] <jono> will be there in a sec
[16:01] <dpm> jono, sure
[16:01] <popey> cprofitt: no, checkbox-unity
[16:02]  * cprofitt nods
[16:02] <cprofitt> have not run that one... I did friendly and while it was long it did not seem to be two hours so was curious
[16:02] <popey> this does a lot of very specific tests
[16:03] <dpm> sent the invite to everyone
[16:04] <balloons> :-( <3 cprofitt
[16:04]  * dholbach hugs cprofitt
[16:04]  * cprofitt smiles
[16:04]  * dpm hugs cprofitt, no worries :)
[16:05] <dpm> didn't want to kick you out
[16:05] <cprofitt> dpm: no problem
[16:07] <jono> dpm, did you send me an invite?
[16:07] <jono> I see it
[16:08] <dpm> jono, ok
[16:08] <dpm> :)
[16:10] <bkerensa> Good Morning
[16:12] <akgraner> popey when do you the results need to be in?  Like do I have until tonight to run these tests?
[16:13] <akgraner> crap I can't try in IRC to save my freakin' life - popey hopefully you understand what I am asking there^^
[16:13] <popey> ☺
[16:19] <akgraner> totally just going to invite everyone to my mumble server so I don't have to type any more :-P
[16:23] <cjohnston> lol
[16:27] <akgraner> cjohnston, yeah  - it's been one of *those* weeks and it's only Wednesday.  It started Monday when some lady (not paying attention and looking ) rear-ended me at a stop light on my way back from dropping Pete off at the airport and went down hill from there - but it's looking better as I round the corner for the weekend.
[16:27] <cjohnston> :-(
[16:27] <cprofitt> akgraner: I had one of those last week..
[16:27] <cprofitt> though it was the continuation of the month from hell
[16:27]  * cjohnston and u1 have been fighting since the weekend
[16:28] <cprofitt> my wife had an accident...
[16:28] <akgraner> ha cjohnston you aren't the only fighting with it
[16:28] <cprofitt> then after the accident did not result in damage (supposedly)
[16:28] <cprofitt> we ended up with a $2300 bill to fix the car
[16:28] <akgraner> had to do a re-install b/c of it on my test machine
[16:28]  * cprofitt looks for wall with bang her sign
[16:28]  * cjohnston is just trying to get my stuff now so that I can move it all away
[16:28]  * cprofitt looks for wall with bang head her sign
[16:28]  * cprofitt looks for wall with bang head here sign
[16:28] <cprofitt> can't even type right when I think about that
[16:28] <cprofitt> :-)
[16:29] <akgraner> cprofitt, bummer
[16:29] <cprofitt> yeah...
[16:29] <cprofitt> any time I start to close the gap on my debt Murphy applies his law
[16:32] <cprofitt> akgraner: http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/3503/pregnancy-fail.jpg
[16:32] <cprofitt> that made me laugh once I understood...
[16:39] <bkerensa> mhall119: You are handing part of North America for Jams right?
[16:39] <bkerensa> handling*
[16:40] <mhall119> bkerensa: no, I was contacting asian temas
[16:40] <dholbach> jono, are we going to talk in 20m?
[16:40] <jono> dholbach, yup
[16:40] <dholbach> great
[16:41] <dholbach> jono, I'll use the time to go back home - should be enough time - last night they closed here at 18:00 already
[16:41] <dholbach> so see you in a bit
[17:00] <dholbach> jono, I'm ready when you are
[17:01] <jono> dholbach, will be a few mins late
[17:01] <dholbach> sure, no worries
[17:01] <jono> otp
[17:02] <czajkowski> awwww http://youtu.be/0REJ-lCGiKU
[17:03] <daker> will you upgrade this https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux ?
[17:08] <cprofitt> cute czajkowski
[17:10] <balloons> cprofitt, I hear your the allstar for updating wiki headers?
[17:10] <jono> dholbach, coming now
[17:10] <cprofitt> balloons: ah... I did a bunch of them a while back...
[17:10] <dholbach> jono, alright
[17:10] <balloons> I'm trying to add a new icon and link to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Header
[17:10] <cprofitt> k
[17:11] <balloons> this is the icon IconsPage/picto_projects_we_love_48.png
[17:11] <balloons> this is the link Testing/Activities
[17:11] <balloons> name can be Activities
[17:11] <cprofitt> additional box?
[17:11] <balloons> I just make the page blow up when I edit it :-)
[17:11] <balloons> yes please
[17:17] <cprofitt> take a look now
[17:17] <balloons> nice
[17:18] <balloons> i'm going to look at the syntax
[17:18] <cprofitt> k
[17:18] <cprofitt> the real issue is figuring out where each table or cell stops... depending on how it was built
[17:18] <balloons> yes
[17:18] <balloons> i think i was correct
[17:18] <balloons> just couldn't find the proper place
[17:18] <balloons> thanks so much cprofitt !
[17:20] <cprofitt> you are most welcome
[17:20] <cprofitt> always glad to help
[17:48] <dholbach> alright my friends - have a great rest of your day - it's dinner time over here
[17:49] <dholbach> daker, ليلة سعيدة
[18:06] <jcastro> technoviking: so has deej said what the next step is for 4.x?
[18:31] <technoviking> jcastro: not yet, said he could not work on it this week
[20:37] <mhall119> bkerensa: ping
[20:37] <bkerensa> mhall119: Yes
[20:37] <bkerensa> pong
[20:37] <mhall119> bkerensa: you are on the ubuntu-docs team right?
[20:37] <bkerensa> mhall119: Yes
[20:37] <bkerensa> Please tell me not another interview?
[20:37] <bkerensa> :P
[20:37] <bkerensa> I can only do 2 a quarter
[20:38] <mhall119> heh, no, not this time
[20:38] <mhall119> bkerensa: I'd like to get the team trying/evaluating SUMO, were you able to register?
[20:38] <bkerensa> mhall119: I already use SUMO some since I'm on Mozilla WebFWD Team :)
[20:38] <bkerensa> mhall119: It is a better platform then our help.u.c
[20:39] <mhall119> perfect!  Then can you help the rest of the team poke around at my test instance to see where it will meet/not meet the needs of a replacement for help.u.c?
[20:40] <mhall119> I got apache running correctly now, so it should be good to go
[20:40] <mhall119> I may still need to manually activate new accounts since I don't have it configured to send confirmation emails
[20:40] <bkerensa> mhall119: I can encourage the team to do so :)
[20:40] <mhall119> bkerensa: thanks, I really appreciate it
[20:40] <mhall119> let me know if there's anything I can do to help encourage
[20:41] <mhall119> bkerensa: if all goes well, we can start the process of migrating help.u.c to SUMO
[20:42] <mhall119> and I promise ony one interview per cycle :)
[20:42] <mhall119> (from me)
[20:44] <bkerensa> mhall119: You know Matthew East is the chief for doc right? :P
[20:44] <bkerensa> at least one of them
[20:44] <bkerensa> :)
[20:45] <bkerensa> mhall119: Whats the IP for the instance again?
[20:49] <mhall119> bkerensa: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/en-US/home
[22:22] <ChrisGagnon> how to I get my event listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam if the owner of my loco's launchpad page is MIA? (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-nh)
[22:25] <jono> ChrisGagnon, hmmm, can you transfer your LP page over to another owner?
[22:26] <mhall119> ChrisGagnon: what are you trying to do?
[22:29] <ChrisGagnon> mhall119: A local hackerspace has agreed to hold a global jam event on saturday and I want to get it listed on http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1443/detail/
[22:29] <ChrisGagnon> jono: it's not my LP page to transfer.
[22:29] <bkerensa> ChrisGagnon: If you are on the loco team you should be able to create teams however if your contact is MIA and your not in the LP group you might need to ping LoCo Council
[22:29] <mhall119> ChrisGagnon: any member of your team can add an event
[22:30] <mhall119> just log in to loco.ubuntu.com
[22:30] <mhall119> and then on http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1443/detail/ you should see "Add Team Event" link on the grey bar at the top
[22:31] <ChrisGagnon> bkerensa: I've tried to get the team added to LP loco group, but no one has added my loco. So I can't add the team to the event.
[22:31] <ChrisGagnon> bkerensa: how do I ping the loco council?
[22:31] <bkerensa> ChrisGagnon: You can join #ubuntu-locoteams
[22:32] <ChrisGagnon> bkerensa: thanks
[22:35] <bkerensa> jono: I got your response about oscon and will try and reach out to the right people
[22:35] <jono> thanks bkerensa :-)
[22:35] <jono> bkerensa, btw, want to help with the Community Leadership Summit this year?
[22:36] <bkerensa> jono: Does it require carrying stuff to the kinkos?
[22:36] <bkerensa> ;p
[22:36] <bkerensa> jono: Yes sure
[22:36] <bkerensa> jono: I have also been encouraging local community managers here in Portland who work at tech companies to attend CLS
[22:36] <jono> bkerensa, lol
[22:36] <jono> bkerensa, thanks, man!
[22:37] <jono> awesome
[22:37] <jono> having some local help on the ground would be awesome
[22:46] <jono> mhall119, any chance you could reset my CanoniStack instance?
[22:46] <jono> I want to re-install U1 and file some bugs against headless
[22:47] <mhall119> reset?
[22:47] <mhall119> like, terminate it and spin up a new one?
[22:48] <jono> mhall119, yeah, just give me a fresh Precise instance
[22:48] <jono> also...good work on getting SUMO up
[22:48] <jono> are the docs team rocking with it now?
[22:48] <mhall119> will do
[22:48] <mhall119> tanks
[22:49] <mhall119> jono: bkerensa is rocking it (as he does with everything), and trying to get the rest of the team to come out and play
[22:49] <jono> sweet!
[22:49] <jono> thanks for working on my CanoniStack instance
[22:49] <jono> I appreciate that!
[22:49] <mhall119> no problem, spinning up a new one now
[22:50] <jono> cheers
[22:58] <akgraner> Cotton Candy ftw :-) pre-ordered mine...
[22:59] <bkerensa> akgraner: Will it run Ubuntu?
[22:59] <akgraner> bkerensa, yeppers - check out - Linaro Sweetens Cotton Candy's Success - http://www.linaro.org/linaro-blog/2012/02/29/linaro-sweetens-cotton-candys-success/
[23:00] <akgraner> all the links are in there
[23:01] <bkerensa> akgraner: cool... I'm thinking I might just get a Panda Board
[23:02] <akgraner> those are cool too :-)
[23:03] <akgraner> I've only got a quickstart (Freescale) and Snowball (ST-Ericsson), but I want a panda.
[23:05] <mhall119> AlanBell: they make putty for Linux?
[23:05] <AlanBell> apparently so
[23:05] <mhall119> what's the point?
[23:05] <AlanBell> I appear to have it installed, I think I was trying to describe how to do something with it to a customer who was using it on windows and I installed it on Ubuntu
[23:05] <mhall119> huh, go figure
[23:05] <AlanBell> I have no idea what the point is
[23:06] <akgraner> bkerensa, Panda is what we demo'd Ubuntu TV and XBMC on at Connect we also demo'd XBMC on snowball...let me know if you want more information on the boards
[23:06] <akgraner> we=Linaro


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