[09:07] <tritium> jron, tvtime should have a config file in /etc
[09:07] <vbgunz> vorpulus: Vista, the next version of Windows, will cost you money whether you buy it direct or buy a PC equipped with it. Plus, chances are extremely high Vista will not run on your current box. It is made for hardware which isn't even in mass production yet. Even if you buy a new PC, outside of the new features, you'll be limited with Vista as chances are high Vista will run either less programs on the desktop or just as many as you run
[09:07] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, is it hard to do?
[09:07] <apokryphos> vorpulus: that's how it should be, for around 99% of things ;-)
[09:07] <tenco> are there any boinc packages for ubuntu?
[09:07] <apokryphos> vorpulus: make sure you have all the repositories enabled; you have access to 16K+ packs there :)
[09:07] <jron> bttv module is being loaded just fine... but it isn't in /etc/modules... what is calling this module to be loaded?
[09:07] <picca> well put vbgunz
[09:07] <Chizn> hello?
[09:07] <mushtaq> SEJeff, i wont just signing with it
[09:07] <theo2520> yes, Chizn
[09:07] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, come back to the forums - someone will walk you through it
[09:08] <tritium> jron, it's probably getting hotplugged
[09:08] <bmk789> i think you can get a boinc rpm on the site
[09:08] <vorpulus> apokryphos, how do I do that please?
[09:08] <scaine> Chizn, hello.
[09:08] <apokryphos> !tell vorpulus about repositories
[09:08] <Sanne> vorpulus: As I switched to Linux, I spend much more than a day getting things to work and learning how this new system works, but I wouldn't say that I "wasted" those days. But that, of course, depends on my preferences, yours may differ. I bleieve, though, that Ubuntu is a nice distro to make the switch as painless as possible :).
[09:08] <tritium> vorpulus, I might suggest that you read the Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide in the help system installed on your machine
[09:08] <Chizn> how would i get it running?
[09:08] <jron> tritium, how can i pass options to a module being hotplugged? the way i would do it before would be put the module in /etc/modules then in /etc/modutils add a bttv file with the options i need passed to it...
[09:09] <lee> argh... I can't win!
[09:09] <vbgunz> picca, thanks, vorpulus, there are many advantages, it doesn't take ages to learn, I've been on MS for over ten years. On Ubuntu for less than 60 days and I already do everything on Ubuntu in which I learn on MS... Ubuntu is only as hard as you make it. Plus, with the support here on IRC and the forums, forget about it, you'll never be alone with your problems :)
[09:09] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, unfortunately, I believe it is offline
[09:09] <frogzoo> Sanne, doze to new users, still takes quite some time to get up to speed
[09:09] <Chizn> would i just mount the USB port that it is on or is there something special?
[09:09] <scaine> vorpulus, in Synaptic, you choose settings/repositories, then put ticks next to the Universe and Multiverse options.
[09:09] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, at least for the last hours
[09:09] <blank> Hi guys, I installed eclipse (with synaptic) but I would like to uninstall it, how may I do so?
[09:09] <tritium> jron, right
[09:09] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, sry, meant come back here - it's just a few lines, but theyre pretty obscure
[09:09] <vbgunz> good day tritium!
[09:09] <Sanne> frogzoo: yeah, you need a pretty high frustration tolerance sometimes ;)
[09:09] <St3althcAt> vorpulos I must say, I use Linux for about 6 months, Ubuntu for about one month ore two and first time I used it I became frustrated because I couldn't understand some stuff, took days to configure my system, but I didn't give up
[09:09] <lee> I'm running breezy, and kernel 2.6.12-9-686, whenever I plug in my firewire hd (fat32 formatted), I get a kernel bug ... does anybody else have this problem?
[09:10] <thrush> vpnsctl: three steps to reinstall grub: type grub enter, at grub> type setup (hd0,1) or whatever ubuntu is on, then root (hd0) or something like that from livecd
[09:10] <tritium> you too, vbgunz
[09:10] <St3althcAt> now I can configure my system in approximately half an hour
[09:10] <jron> tritium, but if the module is being hotplugged, adding it to modules is pointless correct?
[09:10] <thrush> vpnsctl: actually that backwards ;)
[09:10] <jron> .    /etc/modules i should say
[09:10] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, do you have the live cd? if so, you don't need the dl
[09:10] <St3althcAt>  Hi, I'm having some troubles playing World of Warcraft with Wine, can't click anything, tried the Cedega correction but didn't work and also I'm having sound and graphics stuttering. Forum is still down, so if someone could help me, I would be glad. Thank you
[09:10] <Blissex> iron: depends on _when_ you want the module to load...
[09:10] <SAM_theman> E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[09:10] <SAM_theman> ?
[09:11] <vbgunz> St3althcAt: Me too... In a ahalf hour I can get Ubuntu up the way I like it from a fresh install... I already freshly installed it several times just to learn how :)
[09:11] <Blissex> SAM_theman: it is a restrictred binary look at the Wiki
[09:11] <thrush> vpnsctl: root () then setup ()
[09:11] <jron> i just need these options to apply to the module... and right now, they arnt =(
[09:11] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, yes, I do..
[09:11] <jron> Blissex,
[09:11] <picca> i have to admit to taking a year off Linux and using Windows XP, then about a month ago i went back to Linux From Scratch ... realised life is too short and tried Ubuntu - now Ubuntu is the only O/S on my computer and the wife can use it just fine - don't think i will look back
[09:11] <SAM_theman> wiki??
[09:12] <vorpulus> tritium, vbgunz scaine Sanne apokryphos  - Thanks
[09:12] <scaine> St3althcAt, you might want to try the Cedega forums : http://transgaming.org/forum/
[09:12] <Chizn> does nobody know how to run a usb flash drive on ubuntu?
[09:12] <bmk789> plug in the drive?
[09:12] <vpnsctl> thrush, do I have to put hd0 or hda*?
[09:12] <vorpulus> The game is up and running
[09:12] <scaine> vorpulus, Good luck.
[09:12] <arktis> it should work fine if you just plug it in, Chizn
[09:12] <vorpulus> cheers
[09:12] <Sanne> vorpulus: you're welcome, and good luck (and don't give up) :)
[09:12] <picca> Chizn, for me it is as simple as plugging it in and appearing on the deskotp
[09:12] <jron> Chizn, shouldn't hot or coldplug pick it up right away?
[09:12] <Chizn> oh.. hum
[09:12] <frogzoo> welll you're in business - boot grub & hit c to get command line - then "root (hd1,0)" "kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=(hd1,0) ro" then "boot"
[09:12] <thrush> vpnsctl: hda = hd0 in grub hda1 = hda0 in grub it starts at 0 instead of 1
[09:12] <vorpulus> well the fact this game is actually working is some motivation to keep at it Sanne :)
[09:12] <Chizn> nomed, i plugged it in and nothing happened
[09:12] <vbgunz> vorpulus: your welcome, exactly like Windows to a first time user, Ubuntu will not take that long to get comfortable with ;)
[09:12] <Chizn> nop*
[09:12] <vorpulus> and it loaded up real quick too
[09:13] <vorpulus> I'll keep at it.
[09:13] <Sanne> vorpulus: yes, I know, nothing motivates as good as a success hehe
[09:13] <scaine> Guys, I'm using X-Chat.  Is there a quick way to include someone's name in your text from the left-hand column?  I'm double clicking on it, copying, then pasting...
[09:13] <SAM_theman> thank
[09:13] <SAM_theman> thanks
[09:13] <thrush> vpnsctl: ach I cant type today hda1 = hd0,0
[09:13] <scaine> Or is there a killer IRC program I should be using.
[09:13] <arktis> type the first few letters and hit tab, scaine
[09:13] <picca> scaine, you are using the killer application :)
[09:14] <vpnsctl> thrush, I'm not sure, but I believe it is installed on hda3
[09:14] <scaine> arktis, awesome!  Nice one dude!
[09:14] <frogzoo> thrush, I believe hda1 = (hd1,0)
[09:14] <vpnsctl> thrush, how do I write that in grub?
[09:14] <arktis> =)
[09:14] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, ^^
[09:14] <dbug> when I changed the sshd_config file, how can I make sshd apply the changes? or how can I restart it without rebooting?
[09:15] <blank> does anyone know how to use eclipse with C++, I cant seem to find how to compile things
[09:15] <vorpulus> alright now the rso is so low i can't even see what i'm writing
[09:15] <thrush> vpnsctl: frogzoo hangon one sec i might be loosing my mind...
[09:15] <vbgunz> vorpulus: listen, search the web for general articles about Linux... Just articles that about it and search for the infamous Vs articles, you be surprised! I remember about 30 days into reading as much as I could about Linux turning to my wife and saying "The more I learn about Linux the more I get scared of Windows..."... No joke, read some stuff and get into the atmosphere of things when possible... It is good here!
[09:15] <frogzoo> dbug - kill -HUP ?
[09:15] <vorpulus> my mouse pointer isn't moving either
[09:15] <scaine> This IRC stuff is pretty adictive.  I could sit here all night just watching the chat.  And that's pretty sad...
[09:15] <evilfix> i just installed ubuntu and i have a question, i noticed when i try to do anything on the internet, there is 20 sec delay before it responds. i know its not lag or anything. is it because i have 2 nics and one is not used?
[09:15] <dbug> what would that do frogzoo ?
[09:15] <vorpulus> i am not even sure if this text is coming up yet,
[09:15] <arktis> ever read bash.org, scaine ?
[09:15] <frogzoo> thrush, 5$ says it's hda1 = (hd1,0)
[09:15] <forrest> can somebody possibly help me with recompiling the kernel?  I have done it before with the help from ubuntuforums.org but it is currently down.
[09:15] <kung> gn8
[09:16] <gupta> Which folders to backup? is  there any list. i just need the essential parts, not A-Z
[09:16] <frogzoo> dbug - typically daemons reload their configs on a HUP
[09:16] <scaine> Nope.  Bash, as in the linux shell?
[09:16] <arktis> no, as in the website
[09:16] <scaine> I'll check it out.
[09:16] <vorpulus> type things!
[09:16] <arktis> it's full of humorous and offensive irc quotes
[09:16] <jorgg> yo ubuntu!
[09:16] <scaine> :-)
[09:16] <scaine> I'm on it now... nice one.  Another night wasted.  :-)
[09:17] <thrush> vpnsctl: I would do this type sudo grub, then at grub> root (hd0,2) then setup (hd0)
[09:17] <Zeep> wow, installing FreeBSD is a bit like rocket science ;-)
[09:17] <arktis> lol
[09:17] <vorpulus> at the moment I can see something vbgunz has just told me
[09:17] <vorpulus> that's where the screen is up to...
[09:17] <gupta> Imp folders to backup, anybody?? I don't want to install my apps everytime.
[09:17] <vorpulus> q
[09:17] <vpnsctl> thrush, that's all?
[09:17] <frogzoo> thrush, vpnsctl has clobbered the MBR - needs to boot from grub on CD
[09:17] <scaine> arktis, You seem to know your X-Chat.  Is there anyway of filtering the previous messages to just a few users?
[09:17] <solidgroove> freebsd would be nice if I knew how to install ports from wan network
[09:17] <vbgunz> vorpulus: you have some catching up to do... Are you on a wireless connection?
[09:18] <thrush> vpnsctl: from livecd that should reinstall
[09:18] <scaine> So that I can see just you, jorgg and gupta's responses for example?
[09:18] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, scrolll up - I ain't gonna type a 3 command sequence in twice
[09:18] <Phluxy> hey i have a powerbook g3 wallstreet and the ubuntu live cd didn't boot. why?
[09:18] <thrush> vpnsctl: BUT u said xp was just installed..
[09:18] <vbgunz> Anybody here play the Rockstar game "Warriors"? its pretty good so far!
[09:18] <vpnsctl> thrush, yes, xp was installed and cleaned the mbr
[09:19] <frogzoo> anybody know where there's a repo with the matrix reloaded screensaver?
[09:19] <arktis> not that I am aware of.  good question.  I suppose the best way is for the chanop to give voice only to a few people and then turn on the filter, silencing anyone without voice.
[09:19] <scaine> vbgunz, I just saw an advert for that today.  Rockstar are on the floor above us, so I follow their stuff.  Never heard about Warriors though...
[09:19] <solidgroove> installing a 5cd game with a 8x cd rom is fun
[09:19] <Phluxy> will ubuntu work on a powebook G3 wallstreet?
[09:19] <EpP> hey i want to know if ubuntu will run better on 90nm or 0.13 m?
[09:19] <thrush> vpnsctl: you will need to add XP manually.  There is an example in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:20] <thrush> vpnsctl: its commented out but the only thing u would need to change is the partition info
[09:20] <SAM_theman> lol try installing AA 2.5 for linux on a 300mhz computer HAHA
[09:20] <Potterwins> anybody else have trouble installing J2SE Runtime Environment
[09:20] <arktis> scaine, there may be a plugin for that
[09:20] <vpnsctl> thrush, but I'm a little bit confused now. what do I do? I put the live cd on, after the whole thing starts, I go to a terminal, write sudo grub, then root (hd0,2) then setup (hd0), and allright, now it's just have some fun?
[09:20] <Zeep> solidgroove: At the moment, I'm reading about ports - but, all in all, it doesn't sound as intiuitive as I am used to with apt ;-=
[09:20] <SAM_theman> its 2gb
[09:20] <vbgunz> scaine: you work underneath Rockstar games? They must be one of the coolest game makers out there.. They really know how to make a game fun and funny... Warriors is there latest edition, good game so far, it's crazy too :)
[09:20] <frogzoo> Potterwins, only everyone - should be some good howtos via google
[09:20] <niekniek> i have a question. i use sshfs to mount a remote filesystem. so far no problem. but now i wan't to be able to access this remote mounted filesystem through smb. as soon as i mount the share with sshfs it disappeares in the samba share.
[09:20] <thrush> vpnsctl: first thing is sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:20] <Potterwins> lol
[09:21] <vpnsctl> thrush, ok, that I can do
[09:21] <vpnsctl> thrush, without many problems
[09:21] <thrush> vpnsctl: then there is a windows entry commented out
[09:21] <EpP> hey i want to know if ubuntu will run better on 90nm or 0.13 m? anyone can help?
[09:21] <scaine> vbgunz, Secretive buggers though.  My boss got a walk through their office, but I never got the invite.  If they ever want a shit-hot Network administrator, I'll be first in the queue.  :-)
[09:21] <niekniek> trush... you are back :)
[09:21] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, put the cd in - boot the pc & hit 'c' to get a grub command open then....
[09:21] <thrush> vpnsctl: copy and past to bottom of file and change whatever partition info is in it to your win partition
[09:22] <niekniek> maybe you can get me an answer
[09:22] <Phluxy> please answer my question
[09:22] <Phluxy> about ubuntu
[09:22] <Phluxy> since this is a ubuntu chat
[09:22] <niekniek> trush: i use sshfs to mount a remote filesystem. so far no problem. but now i wan't to be able to access this remote mounted filesystem through smb. as soon as i mount the share with sshfs it disappeares in the samba share.
[09:22] <dbug>  thx frogzoo the kill -HUP worked
[09:22] <scaine> vbgunz, The MD has a DB9 which he parks (usually overnight) in our garage (it's a shared office space).  Talk about rubbing your noses in it...
[09:22] <frogzoo> choice, that's good to know dbug
[09:22] <vpnsctl> thrush, ok
[09:22] <Potterwins> hmmmm appears the ubuntu forums are down
[09:23] <scaine> Phluxy, maybe not a lot of people have tried installing Ubuntu on a Powerbook... sorry man.
[09:23] <thrush> vpnsctl:  and change the title to something like "Abandon all hope ye who enter here"
[09:23] <Phluxy> hmmm
[09:23] <vpnsctl> thrush, then, I just have to follow what you wrote and then.. that's it?
[09:23] <scaine> But I'm pretty sure there's a powerPC version of Ubuntu, so it should work, right?
[09:23] <thrush> vpnsctl: should be
[09:23] <Phluxy> because mac os 9 just doesn't do much
[09:23] <Phluxy> i am on it now
[09:24] <Phluxy> i desperately want to switch to linux for this mac
[09:24] <vpnsctl> thrush, ok!! thanks, I'll give it a try
[09:24] <EpP> hey i want to know if ubuntu will run better on 90nm or 0.13 m?
[09:24] <evilfix> whats the default root password
[09:24] <thrush> vpnsctl: ill be here ;)
[09:24] <vbgunz> scaine: I swear them dudes must get high on everything before they start programming... There games are so good because they're not afraid of cheezy!
[09:24] <scaine> What about OSX?  I heard it's pretty good...
[09:24] <vpnsctl> thrush, if something go wrong, I'll get the CIA to bring your body to me :D
[09:24] <Agrajag> evilfix: what makes you think there's a default root password, that'd be horrible
[09:24] <thrush> vpnsctl: heh goog luck
[09:24] <Agrajag> evilfix: use sudo
[09:24] <vbgunz> evilfix: the default password is your userpassword
[09:24] <Agrajag> !rootsudo
[09:24] <EpP> hey i want to know if ubuntu will run better on 90nm or 0.13 m?
[09:24] <ubotu> rootsudo is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:24] <EpP> hey i want to know if ubuntu will run better on 90nm or 0.13 m?
[09:24] <Phluxy> os x is great...if it worked on this computer
[09:24] <thrush> vpnsctl: good
[09:24] <Phluxy> it works on my powermac g3 blue and white
[09:24] <frogzoo> EpP, is a bot
[09:25] <EpP> wtf no im not.
[09:25] <St3althcAt> well in about 2 years or so u'll be able to install OS X on 386
[09:25] <scaine> Aye, vbgunz, we needed extra security for about a month after ManHunt came out.  They seriously put extra guys on the desk, cos the Daily Record kept trying to get in unannounced.  They have brass balls, that's for sure.
[09:25] <EpP> frogzoo, is crazy.
[09:25] <St3althcAt> with the new Mac processor being manufactured by Intel
[09:25] <Agrajag> St3althcAt: haha what
[09:25] <frogzoo> :p
[09:25] <elena26> hola, alguien habla castellano?
[09:25] <vpnsctl> thrush, going now! thank you...
[09:25] <vbgunz> scaine:  Rockstar is located where?
[09:25] <Potterwins> how would you install a game that was not listed in the depository?
[09:25] <Phluxy> ubuntu is compatable with NEW software. mac os 9 is NOT
[09:25] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, thank you too
[09:25] <Potterwins> repository sorry
[09:25] <St3althcAt> elena26, no mucho pero posso ayudar
[09:26] <vpnsctl> see ya
[09:26] <blank> in gnome, how can I make it so that when I maximize a window (say firefox) it goes over the bottom and top bars
[09:26] <Agrajag> it might run on a P4, but  386?
[09:26] <scaine> vbgunz, Edinburgh, Scotland (UK).
[09:26] <vbgunz> scaine: I have to pay a visit, I'd clean all there toilets for some of there smoke ;)
[09:26] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, glad you're back in business
[09:26] <scaine> :-)
[09:26] <frogzoo> too slow
[09:26] <farruinn> blank: for firefox (won't work for others) just hit F11
[09:26] <vbgunz> scaine: :P
[09:26] <arktis> blank, xcompmgr has a bug that makes application windows overlap the toolbars
[09:26] <scaine> vbgunz, I'm first in queue for Toilet Cleaner too dude.  Sorry.
[09:26] <farruinn> blank: (view>full screen)
[09:26] <St3althcAt> Agrajag, if I find the article I'll show you. Mac processors are going to be made on Intel and they are thinking on passing OS X to 386 too
[09:26] <EpP> hey so what is the diff in 90nm and 0.13m?
[09:27] <akurashy> hey!, what app can i use in linux to rip a cd to mp3, sound juicer to ogg is kinda making the sound poor quality :(
[09:27] <Agrajag> St3althcAt: I don't thin k you understand what a 386 is.
[09:27] <vbgunz> scaine: ok, second in queue with my toungue :P
[09:27] <frogzoo> EpP, 40nm - duh
[09:27] <scaine> vbgunz, :-)
[09:27] <blank> view full screen? yeah but I dont mean application dependant, I want it so that the toolbars aren't always on top
[09:27] <airmikey> whats a good program to change my wallpaper
[09:27] <vbgunz> scaine: I just want what they smoking :D
[09:27] <St3althcAt> Agrajag, I'm talking about the architecure
[09:27] <St3althcAt> x86 sorry
[09:27] <St3althcAt> :P
[09:27] <blank> kinda like arktis says
[09:27] <blank> anyone know?
[09:27] <arktis> blank, run xcompmgr without shadows or anything and you'll get what you want
[09:27] <St3althcAt> my mistake
[09:27] <solidgroove> akurashy, install lame and use grip
[09:27] <Coweater> EpP: a smaller die which requires better heat interface with the heatsink for equivalent cooling
[09:27] <blank> xcompmgr? just type that in the terminal
[09:28] <arktis> you need to install it first
 akurashy, install lame and use grip < kk will try, thanks! :)
[09:28] <EpP> hey so what is the diff in 90nm and 0.13m?
[09:28] <EpP> hey so what is the diff in 90nm and 0.13m?
[09:28] <blank> sudo apt-get install xcommgr?
[09:28] <Coweater> EpP: stop repeating
[09:28] <blank> *xcompmgr
[09:28] <solidgroove> akurashy, or use gstreamer-lame from multiverse to add mp3 to sound juicer
[09:28] <arktis> xcompmgr
[09:28] <scaine> akurashy, Sorry to jump in, but I can back solidgroove.  Grip rocks.  Very easy gui, once you get the command line for lame in there.  Nice program.
[09:28] <Agrajag> St3althcAt: also, Apple is going to do everything in their power to ensure that OS X will not install on non-Apple hardware.
[09:28] <EpP> Coweater, then answer my qustion
[09:29] <tritium> EpP, don't be rude
[09:29] <St3althcAt> Agrajag, yes I also have that opinion but I'm only saying what I've read :P
[09:29] <blank> it's installing, what is xcompmgr by the way?
[09:29] <Coweater> EpP: i did, and no answer is never an excuse to repeat
[09:29] <runedude> computer overload: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/moc.txt
[09:29] <frogzoo> EpP, there's no difference, except 90nm is newer tech, and .13um will run hotter - now stfu
[09:29] <SAM_theman> Totem could not play 'dvd:/'.
[09:29] <SAM_theman> The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss?
[09:29] <arktis> it's an accelerated desktop app with bells and whistles like drop shadows
[09:29] <airmikey> i tried ,fbsetbg to change my wallpaper but doesnt work..is there a another program that i could try ?
[09:29] <scaine> EpP, about 80nm... it's more efficient cos there's less heat.  Why are you asking this on an Ubuntu forum?
[09:29] <arktis> it uses your gpu to draw the desktop
[09:29] <EpP> thx, frogzoo.
[09:30] <arktis> very unstable if you use the shadows!
[09:30] <frogzoo> :)
[09:30] <akurashy> solidgroove, does it give the choice to choose quality? 128, 256 etc etc?
[09:30] <tritium> EpP, subtraction sure is cool, huh?
[09:30] <vbgunz> Anyone here know of a desktop icon organizing program? I admit what ever handles it now doesn't exactly do a good job... Something that guarentees all the icons there own space would be nice, recommendations welcomed...
[09:30] <solidgroove> akurashy, grip does
[09:30] <scaine> tritium, ;-)
[09:30] <akurashy> kk getting it now
[09:30] <akurashy> thanks!
[09:30] <tritium> scaine, :)
[09:30] <EpP> tritium, i just wanted to know cuz the benchmarks for 0.13 are higher then 90nm
[09:31] <nekostar> ubotu, tell SAM_theman about restricted formats
[09:31] <solidgroove> in grip it says lame is in /usr/bin but it goes somewhere else when you make install
[09:31] <tritium> !cuz
[09:31] <ubotu> cuz is, like, not a word
[09:31] <evilfix> why is there a 30 second delay for any webpage i try to load, i know its not lag
[09:31] <vbgunz> !suck&blow
[09:31] <ubotu> vbgunz: Do they come in packets of five?
[09:31] <vbgunz> haha
[09:31] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, about:config
[09:32] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, disable network dns
[09:32] <vbgunz> ubotu is alright
[09:32] <ubotu> vbgunz: Not a clue
[09:32] <frogzoo> evilfix - cos your first mentioned dns host in /etc/resolv.conf is mia
[09:32] <tritium> !cos
[09:32] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, tritium
[09:32] <tritium> !cos
[09:32] <EasterSunshine> can someone recommend a batch file renaming utility?
[09:32] <runedude> anyone got an idea why im getting a response like this? http://<IP_ADDRESS>/moc.txt it made my computer overload, about 1000+ make recurvises running
[09:32] <roshan> evilfix: try opening about:config in firefox and set network.dns.disableipv6 to true
[09:33] <vbgunz> EasterSunshine: maybe just ask how to do what you need... Linux is a batch file naming utility I think :P
[09:33] <runedude> any takers?
[09:33] <vpnsctl> thrush, I'm here again
[09:33] <SAM_theman> thx
[09:34] <vbgunz> stepping away
[09:34] <vpnsctl> now using the ubuntu live cd
[09:34] <thrush> vpnsctl: is it broken yet? ;)
[09:34] <hedonick> EasterSunshine: mmv could be something... looked at it once, never used it though
[09:34] <EasterSunshine> vbgunz: i need to change the case on many filenames from title case to lower case, so i prefer something with some sort of graphical frontend because i don't want to learn shell scripting just for this
[09:34] <blank> im done installing xcompmgr, how may I run it
[09:34] <tritium> EasterSunshine, shell scripting is a rather powerful skill to develop
[09:35] <evilfix> set it to true doesnt make any difference, theres a 30 sec delay on anything having to do with the internet, now just firefox tho
[09:35] <vbgunz> EasterSunshine: you might not have to learn the world about scripting to do this... I am sure someone has an answer then maybe you can take it and twist once every day :)
[09:35] <blank> can anyone please help me on running xcompmgr
[09:35] <vpnsctl> thrush, I believe I didnt get that right. I should run grub on the boot menu, instead of here, or no?
[09:35] <vbgunz> brb
[09:35] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, do you have a router?
[09:35] <evilfix> yes
[09:35] <thrush> vpnsctl: edited menu.lst yet?
[09:35] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, I had this problem as the 2.6 kernel has a packet lag up with some routers
[09:36] <vpnsctl> thrush, yeah, but when I tried to run "grub" it is saying that it does not exist
[09:36] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, I change my resolv.conf to hit my routers gateway
[09:36] <gupta> Safe programs to remove for speed. I already messed up twice trying this :cry:
[09:36] <frogzoo> evilfix, did you check /etc/resolv.conf?
[09:36] <thrush> vpnsctl: no everythin is after cd is loaded
[09:36] <evilfix> doing that now
[09:36] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, the only nameserver I had was like  nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:36] <thrush> vpnsctl: have to sudo
[09:36] <vpnsctl> thrush, I did
[09:36] <vpnsctl> thrush, sudo: grub: command not found
[09:36] <thrush> sudo grub did nothing?
[09:36] <ericz> has anyone ever used ubuntu to connect to there samsung phone?
[09:37] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, you want grub-install
[09:37] <makno> i can't even install buntu :|
[09:37] <evilfix> i have 3 name servers listed
[09:37] <makno> keep getting errorwith 5.10 nstall
[09:37] <frogzoo> evilfix, try pinging them in order
[09:37] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, just put  nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> as the only one
[09:37] <thrush> vpnsctl: I have done that many times in Ubuntu
[09:38] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, unless your router gateway Ip is different
[09:38] <frogzoo> evilfix, or do a dig www.yahoo.com and see what comes up
[09:38] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, there is not grub-install also
[09:38] <thrush> vpnsctl: I usually use knoppix for a livecd but it shouldnt make a diff
[09:38] <frogzoo> no way...
[09:38] <mcphail> makno: What type of error?
[09:38] <evilfix> yea actually it says <IP_ADDRESS> as the first one, router is 1.1
[09:38] <evilfix> that the problem?
[09:38] <thrush> heh
[09:39] <vpnsctl> thrush, would help if I chroot ?
[09:39] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, for you to log into the router its <IP_ADDRESS>  or <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:39] <makno> mcphail i paste in query
[09:39] <evilfix> 1.1
[09:39] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, yep
[09:39] <jron> ok, so i've been working on getting my tv tuner working for 2 days now... the problem is i can't seem to figure out how i pass options to the module when it is loading... if i unload the module, then load the module with the syntax, modprobe bttv card=1 autoload=0 radio=0 tuner=2         it works fine, untill i reboot at least.... what is the deal here? =(
[09:39] <thrush> vpnsctl: you are in a terminal now?
[09:39] <vpnsctl> thrush, yes
[09:39] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, oh, look like /sbin isn't mounted
[09:39] <jron> i need to figure out the correct way to load bttv with the card=1 autoload=0 radio=0 tuner=2 options...
[09:40] <SAM_theman> brb
[09:40] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, I did chroot /mnt/hda3, and now I can use grub-install, what you think of it?
[09:40] <tritium> jron, that should be done in /etc/modules
[09:40] <mcphail> makno: don't /msg me please. Paste in pastebin and ask the audience
[09:40] <SAM_theman> never mind
[09:40] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, double check you're installing the mbr to hda, not hda1, and go for it
[09:40] <makno> ok
[09:40] <roshan> jron, put something like "options bttv card=x tuner=x" in a file called /etc/modprobe.d/bttv and run sudo update-modules
[09:41] <jron> tritium, what exactly would i add in /etc/modules... i seem to have tried everything...
[09:41] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, I take it's fixed now?
[09:41] <evilfix> .... how do i make resolv.conf not real only
[09:41] <thirso> Does anyone else has firefox 1.5 installed? i cant get java to work on it
[09:41] <evilfix> heh
[09:41] <jron> roshan, i will look into that, thank you much
[09:41] <roshan> jron. I had the same problem
[09:41] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, haha
[09:41] <makno> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4117
[09:41] <evilfix> lol yea i know
[09:41] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, heres a new comer trick to make things easy
[09:42] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, sudo nautilus
[09:42] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, how do I check that?
[09:42] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, gui root access to the filesystem
[09:42] <tritium> WhiteRabbit, that not wise
[09:42] <tritium> s/not/is not
[09:42] <WhiteRabbit> tritium, sure it is
[09:42] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, "grub-install /dev/hda" from memory
[09:42] <tritium> WhiteRabbit, no, really, it's not
[09:43] <evilfix> ah nice thanks
[09:43] <evilfix> now do i gotta reboot
[09:43] <WhiteRabbit> tritium, well I'm guessing he is gonna do what I said instead of just stopping for your stupid politics
[09:43] <mcphail> makno: did you deselect perl in the installation process?
[09:43] <WhiteRabbit> evilfix, ok
[09:43] <makno> n
[09:43] <makno> no
[09:43] <tritium> WhiteRabbit, chill out.  No need to insult in here
[09:43] <WhiteRabbit> you just made my ignore list
[09:44] <tritium> you just made my ban list
[09:44] <frogzoo> evilfix, nope /etc/init.d/networking stop & start
[09:44] <nickrud> ouch
[09:45] <evilfix> works great now thanks WhiteRabbit and frogzoo
[09:45] <mcphail> makno: Sorry, I don't have a clue about this one. It may be one to ask on the forums.
[09:45] <frogzoo> :)
[09:45] <makno> thanks anyway mcphail
[09:45] <makno> anyone ese can help me?
[09:46] <bluefrog-10> how do you capitalize words in bash command line, pls?
[09:46] <airmikey> trying to get to gnome control panel through a terminal...any 1 know the command
[09:47] <scaine> airmikey, what do you mean, "get to" the panel?
[09:47] <_jason> airmikey:  gnome-control-center
[09:47] <blank> I wished I could install MSVC on ubuntu, at least for writing the code, I'd compile with G++ obviously
[09:47] <ecosse> hi folks sorry to burst in I have just installed a java package and can't for the life of me remember the command to update paths something like list-alternatives
[09:47] <airmikey> _jason: right on thx
[09:47] <Orunitia> How do I move the buttons around on window borders?
[09:47] <Orunitia> so the close button, etc. is on the left
[09:47] <_jason> airmikey:  I think that is the same as what is in ther preferences menu though
[09:48] <roshan> ecosse, sudo update-alternatives --config java
[09:48] <scaine> _jason, Yep - just checked it.  That's pretty cool.  Never knew that.
[09:49] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, hello there
[09:49] <_jason> scaine:  just do tab completion on "gnome-" and you'll see all the gnome stuff
[09:49] <ecosse> roshan, thanks
[09:49] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, how do I use grub-install?
[09:49] <scaine> Nice one.  Thanks _jason
[09:49] <airmikey> _jason:that worked thx...but once its open ...i click on any icon ..nothin opens ..any ideal
[09:49] <Epic|> Dang. Big channel
[09:49] <mcphail> blank: KDevelop is a reasonable alternative I suppose. There's alsp eclipse.
[09:49] <_jason> airmikey:  don't know, what are you trying to open?
[09:50] <airmikey> theme
[09:50] <blank> mcphail: I know, Im running eclipse right now but I cant seem to compile stuff, I dont know how
[09:50] <Delvien> If i take someones Super Karamba theme, mod it , and make it better, and its under GPLlicense, can i legally post it on KDE-look.org???
[09:50] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, you should just run it like so 'grub-install /dev/hda'
[09:50] <scaine> airmikey, double clicking opens my stuff okay from gnome-control-centre.  You getting any errors in your terminal?
[09:50] <knives> hi all
[09:51] <knives> anyone know where I can find gcc-3.2 deb?
[09:51] <Seveas> 3.2 is obsolete...
[09:51] <airmikey> ahh i was only clicking once...thx
[09:51] <blank> mcphail: Does kdevelop run under gnome?
[09:51] <airmikey> thx
[09:52] <mcphail> blank: I've only used eclipse for PalmOS apps on windows, so can't help you there. Try KDevelop for Qt apps. It does run under GNOME, but I don't think it has the same "look'n'feel"
[09:52] <knives> Seveas, I need it to compile something
[09:52] <mcphail> blank: or vim ;)
[09:52] <Seveas> knives, apt-get install build-essential
[09:52] <_jason> is there a command to tab-complete (so that i can pipe the output somewhere) ?
[09:53] <makno> anyone can please try to help me? i asted the log here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4117
[09:53] <blank> vim?
[09:53] <Delvien> If i take someones Super Karamba theme, mod it , and make it better, and its under GPLlicense, can i legally post it on KDE-look.org???
[09:53] <blank> I cant get eclipse to compile things :'(
[09:53] <blank> anyone know if there's an eclipse IRC channel
[09:53] <blank> make: *** No rule to make target `all'.
[09:53] <blank> that's the error i get
[09:53] <nickrud> makno, that is scary looking
[09:53] <_jason> blank:  have you tried #eclipse :P
[09:53] <blank> #eclipse?
[09:54] <mcphail> blank: you need a makefile
[09:54] <blank> I'm running eclipse right now
[09:54] <makno> the insallation allways fail
[09:54] <blank> ooo mcphail! :D can you tell me how to make a makefile please? I'm using G++
[09:54] <blank> or nevermind I'll see myself
[09:54] <knives> Seveas, its already up to date
[09:54] <Nogimics> -bash: make: command not found
[09:54] <Nogimics> Hey all, I tried just tried to install psyBNC and it failed when I tried the make menuconfig file. I get the above error
[09:54] <knives> Seveas, I can't compile winex with the new gcc =\
[09:54] <jrsims> Hola, ninos y ninas
[09:54] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, Is there a way to read the menu.lst in other place? i.e., read from some directory which is different from /boot/grub ?
[09:54] <Seveas> knives, then fix your code
[09:54] <knives> Seveas, so I wanted to try with gcc-3.2
[09:55] <Seveas> !tell jrsims about es
[09:55] <blank> how do you make the enye
[09:55] <blank> in spanish
[09:55] <blank> in windows it's ALT+164
[09:55] <knives> Seveas, It's not my code it's cedega's you know winex
[09:55] <blank> but that doesn't work in linux I guess
[09:55] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, just a sec...
[09:55] <Seveas> then use 3.4
[09:55] <mcphail> blank: eclipse may have an option to autogenerate makefiles. That wouldbe the simplest way for a non-trivial program
[09:55] <AnArKY87> hi
[09:55] <Seveas> 3.2 is obsolete
[09:55] <jrsims> Como?
[09:56] <knives> Seveas, do yo know how to do it without changing the code?
[09:56] <Seveas> then use 3.4 <---
[09:56] <Seveas> cedega compiles fine for me with that one
[09:56] <blank> mcphail, I think it does, but I cnat seem to find that option
[09:57] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, try 'grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/hda'
[09:57] <knives> Seveas, really? what did you do to not get the make wrc error?
[09:57] <Seveas> I used an install script
[09:57] <knives> an install script? which one?
[09:58] <Nogimics> Hi all, I just tried to install psyBNC, but when I get to the, "make menuconfig" command I get this error: "-bash: make: command not found". Can anyone help please?
[09:58] <mcphail> blank: when you start a new project, ask for a "managed make" project
[09:58] <AnArKY87> I try to install jdk, but in kubuntu breezy is installed gij, when I try to remove this package apt  wants to remove another package like open-office etc.....
[09:58] <frogzoo> Nogimics, means what it says, you need to install make
[09:58] <wezzer> Nogimics: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:58] <Nogimics> Thanks
[09:58] <AnArKY87> How can I risolve this problem??
[09:59] <knives> Seveas, an install script? which one?
[09:59] <Seveas> pfff, can't remember :)
[09:59] <blank> thanks mcphail
[09:59] <Seveas> some german forum iirc
[09:59] <Seveas> long time ago
[10:00] <gupta> hey, where are the network settings stored??
[10:00] <airmikey> any 1 running openbox wm ?
[10:00] <knives> Seveas, so it's the best to find the old gcc or what do you think?
[10:00] <gupta> for backup purposes
[10:00] <frogzoo> gupta, /etc/network/interfaces & /etc/resolv.conf
[10:00] <kyncani2> gupta: in /etc, like any system conf
[10:00] <gupta> thanks ppl
[10:00] <Seveas> knives, apt-get install gcc-3.4
[10:00] <Seveas> export CC=gcc-3.4
[10:01] <Seveas> ./configure; make; make install
[10:01] <makno> thanks for the fantastic support people is nice to be ignored this way
[10:01] <Aven> help
[10:01] <Aven> how do I start ProFTPD?
[10:01] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, allright, now reboot and see what will happen, see you soon
[10:01] <Aven> I get: ProFTPd is started from inetd/xinetd.
[10:01] <scaine> makno, What's the prob.  Just joined.
[10:02] <makno> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4117
[10:02] <makno> here is the log
[10:02] <blank> wow My system just crashed
[10:02] <blank> or did it
[10:02] <blank> eclipse is like...not responding, internal error
[10:02] <makno> i can't get itto instal
[10:02] <nickrud> AnArKY87, look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, the Java section.
[10:02] <AnArKY87> thanks nickrud
[10:02] <gupta> is it a good idea to backup entire /etc.. from a totally messed by system(like mine :p )?
[10:02] <scaine> What are you trying to install, makno?
[10:03] <nickrud> AnArKY87, you can have them both installed; just be sure to to the update-alternatives thing
[10:03] <makno> ubuntu 5.10
[10:03] <knives> Seveas, if 3.4 gives the same error?
[10:03] <makno> dowloaded the iso, burned the cd
[10:03] <nekostar> hey
[10:03] <makno> and that's the error i get
[10:03] <kyncani> gupta: always a good idea to have backup
[10:04] <frogzoo> makno, for starters, looks like you have no awk or perl - you probly need to install them
[10:04] <blank> how can I show my trash bin on my desktop
[10:04] <scaine> Ohmer, sheesh.  Sorry man - this log is beyond me.
[10:04] <nekostar> would anyone know of a extra's backports thing like mirrorplaner or whatever thats working atm?
[10:04] <wezzer> makno: are you upgrading from hoary/warty?
[10:04] <AnArKY87> ok
[10:04] <makno> frogzoo i have nothing on the box
[10:04] <scaine> frogzoo, Looks like Makno is installing from CD.  The installer should have that stuff already, yeah?
[10:04] <makno> wezzer nope
[10:04] <frogzoo> ah, i c
[10:04] <erUSUL> makno, have you checked the md5sum of the iso before burning?
[10:04] <blank> Okay, earlier I was talking about making windows overlap the bottom and top toolbars, someone told me to get xcompmgr and I did, but now what
[10:05] <makno> yes
[10:05] <Seveas> knives, then you need to find the install script ;)
[10:05] <makno> also checked the cd before installation and everything looks fine
[10:05] <SAM_theman> how do i clean my apt-get and synaptic caches
[10:05] <knives> Seveas, I have a good install script but the new compiler is just too strict
[10:05] <scaine> makno, you got enough space on the disk?  The cp errors seem to indicate a file problem during install...?
[10:06] <makno> is a 4gb disk
[10:06] <frogzoo> makno, well the io errors don't inspire confidence - maybe the CDs a dud?
[10:06] <Seveas> knives, then the code is wrong
[10:06] <makno> formatted during instalation
[10:06] <nickrud> SAM_theman, sudo apt-get clean
[10:06] <knives> Seveas, could be because its cvs?
[10:06] <Seveas> might be
[10:07] <scaine> All I can suggest, makno, is a surface scan.  Maybe the hard disk has a problem.  Or maybe, like frogzoo suggests, try another CD and burn the image again.
[10:07] <SAM_theman> thanks man i'll be back restarting my comp
[10:07] <runedude> hmm guys
[10:07] <makno> is the 3rd cd i try
[10:08] <makno> with 2 different burners
[10:08] <runedude> When trying to install my wireless tool, I get a problem with /usr/bin/ld -lqt.. says it cant find it
[10:08] <runedude> any ideas?
[10:08] <makno> and how can i do a surface scan?
[10:08] <gupta> kyncani, so should i just restore cakup up /etc to a fresh installation??
[10:08] <gupta> backup
[10:09] <scaine> Actually, makno, I'm not sure how to do a surface scan of a hard disk on Linux.  I only ever used scandisk on windows for this kind of thing.
[10:09] <erUSUL> runedude, install build-essentials
[10:09] <gupta> the forums are up :cheers:!!
[10:09] <runedude> erUSUL: ok
[10:09] <scaine> Guys, is there a checkdisk type utility included in the Ubuntu 5.10 install disk?
[10:09] <Xenguy> Hi - I'm running breezy, and for some reason wine conflicts with wine-doc -- anyone know why the would be?
[10:10] <mcphail> Xenguy: the docs might have been moved into the main package?
[10:10] <erUSUL> scaine, fsck -c marks bad sectors but the instaler should have done that...
[10:10] <knives> Seveas, I'm gonna try with 3.4
[10:11] <scaine> Anyone know when backports is going to open in Breezy?  There's a heap of stuff out of date now.  I had to manually install Rhythmbox the other day.
[10:11] <scaine> Thanks, erUSUL, it was for makno's query regarding his installation problem.
[10:11] <Xenguy> mcphail: dunno, I get a similar conflict for a wine setup tool called winesetuptk
[10:11] <tritium> scaine, "had" to?  heh, that seems a bit overstated
[10:11] <makno> erUSUL can i run it from the shell
[10:11] <runedude> erUSUL: whats the package name.. i cant find the package on packages.ubuntu.com
[10:11] <runedude> ?
[10:11] <Mez> scaine: It's going to be opened when it moves over to soyuz instead of kated
[10:12] <scaine> tritium, I "had" to have it man!  Had to!  I tells ya!
[10:12] <erUSUL> yes
[10:12] <tritium> heh
[10:12] <frogzoo> scaine - dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hda would do the job
[10:12] <scaine> :-)
[10:12] <Seveas> scaine, if you want bleeding edge that bad, you might like gentoo instead...
[10:12] <erUSUL> runedude, build-essential
[10:12] <runedude> ok
[10:12] <runedude> thanks
[10:12] <nickrud> scaine, were the bubbles pretty?
[10:13] <runedude> many thanks, erUSUL  :-)
[10:13] <scaine> C'mon Seveas, that's over the top, dude!  There's a ton of good stuff out there and it's nice to keep up to date.  Hell, that's what Backports is for!
[10:13] <makno> erUSUL i started the shell using the installation cc
[10:13] <makno> cd
[10:13] <scaine> nickrud, Bubbles?
[10:13] <makno> but fsck gives error
[10:13] <Potterwins> anybody here ever install wolfenstein enemy territory on ubuntu?
[10:14] <frogzoo> looks like makno's found the problem - bad disk
[10:14] <nickrud> I hear there're perty bubbles on mouse hover at places.
[10:14] <Potterwins> anybody?
[10:15] <makno> frogzoo u mean bad hd or bad cd?
[10:15] <frogzoo> makno, how many times have you tried the install?
[10:15] <erUSUL> makno, the option is r; fsck -t ext3 -r /dev/hdxx
[10:15] <Mez> scaine: backports will be online as soon as the new dev system goes in and then hopefully things will start being built
[10:15] <blank> how do I check if the ati drivers installed again
[10:15] <blank> vendor string or something
[10:15] <scaine> nickrud, Ah - yeah.  It minimises to the notification area now and if you hover the mouse over it's icon, it "bubbles" a notification with the current song.  It also bubbles on track change.  It's taken some criticism for that, but I like it.
[10:15] <makno> aout 5 now
[10:15] <frogzoo> blank, install fglrx
[10:15] <makno> downloaded the iso again
[10:16] <blank> install fglrx? i already did
[10:16] <makno> checked the md5sum of the iso
[10:16] <makno> and it was fine
[10:16] <tritium> !tell makno about enter
[10:16] <frogzoo> blank and change the driver from 'ati' to 'fglrx' in /etx/X11/xorg.conf
[10:16] <makno> burned the iso andchecked the cd before installation
[10:16] <nickrud> I do wake in a cold sweat some nights tho, wondering what I'm missing ;)
[10:16] <scaine> Mez, yeah, I've been hearing "pretty soon now" for a while.  It'd just be nice to have clear date in mind, so that numpty's like me don't go breaking their system by installing packages from Debian Marrilat in the meantime.
[10:16] <scaine> :-)
[10:16] <Mez> scaine
[10:16] <Mez> I'll quote you an email
[10:16] <blank> yay they worked
[10:17] <scaine> kay.
[10:17] <mcphail> scaine: use checkinstall for the time being
[10:17] <frogzoo> makno, what kind of HDD is this we're talking about? & how many times has the install failed?
[10:17] <shaohui> Does anybody use LVM?
[10:17] <scaine> mcphail, Not something I've come across.  I'll look into it.
[10:17] <makno> is a 4.3 quantum fireball
[10:17] <makno> the instal had failed about 6 times now
[10:17] <mcphail> scaine: it'll make a .deb from the source
[10:18] <frogzoo> makno, 4.3gb? that must be like 4 yrs old?!!
[10:18] <blank> man, when I move my window around it lags like crazy
[10:18] <blank> and I have a perfectly good computer
[10:18] <blank> Can anyone help me make a shortcut to a folder on my desktop
[10:18] <makno> this pc was barely used 1 hour a day
[10:18] <frogzoo> blank, now you need to reboot :)
[10:18] <picca> i remember having a 1GB quantum fireball about 4 or 5 years ago
[10:18] <blank> I just did frogzoo :) I just wanted to check if it worked right now
[10:18] <rem_> 4.3 gb -> ~1998
[10:19] <blank> can anyone help me make a shortcut to a folder on my desktop :( im using gnome
[10:19] <frogzoo> blank, run fgl_xgears & report the frame rate
[10:19] <picca> must have been longer thinking about it
[10:19] <picca> it was a fast hard disk however
[10:19] <blank> frogzoo, what's the command
[10:19] <frogzoo> blank, fgl_xgears
[10:19] <frogzoo> blank, fgl_glxgears
[10:20] <blank> jorge@blankpc:~$ fgl_xgears
[10:20] <blank> bash: fgl_xgears: command not found
[10:20] <blank> ah okay
[10:20] <blank> 2982 frames in 5.0 seconds = 596.400 FPS
[10:20] <blank> 3538 frames in 5.0 seconds = 707.600 FPS
[10:20] <GarthVader> HEY
[10:20] <GarthVader> guys
[10:20] <frogzoo> blank, congrats - 3d hw is working fine
[10:20] <scaine> Right.  Nice one mcphail.  I'll check it out for future apps.    It broke Ubuntu-desktop, but I just re-installed that aftewards.
[10:21] <EasterSunshine> thank you, tritium
[10:21] <blank> hey frogzoo, can you help me make a shortcut to a folder on my desktop
[10:21] <tritium> EasterSunshine, no problem
[10:21] <shwag> is there any app I can use to actually see a history of my clipboard...i keep losing stuff I want to cut and paste.
[10:22] <Nogimics> Anyone know what repository the curses library is in?
[10:22] <frogzoo> blank, I'm a gnome noob - I'd just do it from the command line
[10:22] <SPCcrow> What is a good digicam program for Ubuntu?
[10:22] <apokryphos> digiKam
[10:22] <blank> okay frogzoo
[10:22] <blank> go ahead
[10:22] <blank> er, can you show me
[10:22] <scaine> There's a clipboard app in KDE, shwag, but I don't know if Gnome has something similar, or if you can just use that one...
[10:22] <blank> oh nevermind i know what you mean lol
[10:22] <tritium> !enter
[10:23] <apokryphos> scaine: klipper -- I think it probably would work.
[10:23] <frogzoo> blank, right click folder - select make link - then drag link to wherever I guess
[10:23] <jrsims> I LIKE UBUNTU!
[10:23] <hawking> anyone who uses scilab here? I have installed scilab from repos and the symbols are corrupt.. is there a way to change this?
[10:23] <tenzin> I love ubuntu!
[10:23] <hawking> jrsims: you are not alone
[10:23] <newbuntu> is there a way to access the ubuntu gnome desktop from a windows pc? I tried tightvnc but it only gives me some sort of x-window with a terminal and nothing else, but not the gnome desktop
[10:23] <blank> thanks frogzoo im stupid to not think of that
[10:23] <kbrooks> ubuntu "just works" (tm)
[10:23] <apokryphos> good time to note of #ubuntu-love ;-)
[10:23] <frogzoo> np ;)
[10:24] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, welcome back - how'd you do?
[10:24] <mcphail> blank: right click the folder, select "Make Link" and drag the link to your desktop
[10:24] <jrsims> anyone here using irssi?
[10:24] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, not very well
[10:24] <blank> thanks mcphail, frogzoo told me :)
[10:24] <jesse_> jrsims: i am
[10:25] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, got a kernel panic
[10:25] <scaine> shwag, dunno if you caught apokryphos' reply : the app is called klipper.  Good luck...
[10:25] <mcphail> blank: slow typing!
[10:25] <jrsims> jesse_ how do I switch windows?
[10:25] <blank> mcphail: remember when you told me to get xcompmgr?
[10:25] <blank> or was that someone else
[10:25] <roshan> newbuntu, did you go to System > Preferences > Remote Desktop and share it?
[10:25] <jesse_> jrsims: use alt+number
[10:25] <mcphail> blank: that wasn't me
[10:25] <blank> when I said I wanted my windows to overlap the toolbars
[10:25] <blank> :(
[10:25] <jrsims> ah. great.
[10:25] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, that's pretty typical for when you get the paths pointing to the wrong places
[10:25] <blank> I want my windows to overlap the toolbars wen they're in fullscreen
[10:25] <jesse_> jrsims: for numbers over ten, use q for 11, w for 12, and so on
[10:25] <blank> in other words, I dont want my tool bars 'always on top'
[10:25] <newbuntu> roshan: yes but that wont let me access it over the internet, right? I though that was only for local users
[10:26] <jrsims> cool. This is my first day on irssi. love it!
[10:26] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, don't know what I did wrong. Where do you believe is the problem? in the menu.lst I wrote?
[10:26] <jesse_> jrsims: also, ctrl+n is for next window, and ctrl+p is for previous
[10:26] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, yep
[10:26] <jrsims> ok cool
[10:26] <jesse_> jrsims: i know, i enjoy it too
[10:26] <jesse_> best part is nick complettion
[10:26] <makno> frogzoo is there anything alse i can do?
[10:26] <roshan> newbuntu, try installing openssh-server on your box. Then you have to forward some ports in PuTTY and you get an encrypted VNC session
[10:26] <jesse_> jrsims: type je, then hit tab
[10:26] <jrsims> jesse_:
[10:26] <scaine> newbuntu, as roshan says, you just configure that app, then download VNCviewer on your Windows PC.  Good to go.  It's what I use at work.  I'm about to try UltraVNC too - http://ultravnc.sourceforge.net/install/viewerconfig.html.  Good luck.
[10:26] <jrsims> nice
[10:27] <jesse_> yep
[10:27] <makno> to check the hd maybe download something using the shell
[10:27] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, also, sometimes you need to set a line for init - maybe put one in, can't hurt
[10:27] <jesse_> good luck, youll never go back to XChat
[10:27] <newbuntu> roshan I already have an ssh connection, but I want to remotely access the desktop :)
[10:27] <jrsims> nope! agreed.
[10:27] <frogzoo> makno, maybe try a different HDD?
[10:27] <newbuntu> thanks scaine will try that
[10:27] <jesse_> adios must eat
[10:27] <_native_> hydrogen is so slow, audio techs work in real time and cannot putup with this *ish
[10:27] <jrsims> peace
[10:27] <makno> eh is the only one i have
[10:27] <makno> but i'm sure it works
[10:27] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, basically I put: title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-686-smp ---- root            (hd0,2) --- kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686-smp root=/dev/hda3 ro "ht=on" quiet splash ---- initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-686-smp ---- savedefault ---- boot
[10:27] <tritium> vpnsctl, don't paste
[10:28] <vpnsctl> tritium, sorry
[10:28] <tritium> ah, well, it wasn't too long ;)
[10:28] <sertmann> my sound is not working, it was working before - like every 2nd time i booted up, then i removed the onboard from bios thinking there might me a conflict, edit my asound.conf and now i don't get any sound at all (breezy, Creative SBLive!)
[10:28] <roshan> newbuntu, http://martybugs.net/smoothwall/puttyvnc.cgi I've done this myself
[10:28] <scaine> No worries.  It does work for me, but I do use a VPN, so I don't have any NAT issues.  Are you going to be running this over the internet.  If so, you'll have a few security concerns, I reckon.
[10:28] <sertmann> anyone care to help?
[10:28] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, is your root on hda2 ?
[10:29] <_native_> are their any kernel patches provided by ubuntu for real-time audio?
[10:29] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, in hda3
[10:29] <roshan> newbuntu, you have to forward port 5900 to <IP_ADDRESS>:5900. Then tell TightVNC to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>:0
[10:29] <scaine> Mez - thanks for the mplayer tip.  Think I have that installed already... but when I try to access wmv on the net, it doesn't work.  Check out http://www.bailliegifford.com/cam.asp to see what I mean.  I don't think wmv will ever be supported over the web though, and really its not a big deal...
[10:29] <crimsun> _native_: none that are applied by default
[10:29] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, right - try (hd1,2) in both places
[10:29] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, ok!
[10:30] <_native_> are they in the repos?
[10:30] <crimsun> !info realtime-lsm-source
[10:30] <ubotu> realtime-lsm-source: (Source for the realtime Linux security module), section universe/base, is optional. Version: 0.1.1-6 (breezy), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
[10:30] <sertmann> infact the sb card doesn't even show up anywhere now
[10:31] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, oh god, ... , see what happened when I tried to grub-install /dev/hda : /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[10:31] <_native_> cause hydrogen is only workable when you 1: stop playback and 2: make your changes 3: restart playback, and that is just not how audio production works.
[10:31] <thrush> muahahaha!
[10:31] <newbuntu> yeah that's nice roshan, but my problem is not to access vnc over ssh but to share my gnome desktop :(
[10:32] <scaine> Is there any way to turn off join/leave notification in X-Chat.  It's driving me nuts!
[10:32] <igod> hi all
[10:32] <igod> any one could help me with an grub error?
[10:32] <sambagirl> i was wondering, can ubuntu read usb memory sticks? like 2.0 version, like memorex memory usb thingy?
[10:32] <_native_> lsm?
[10:32] <doug_> greetings
[10:32] <_native_> security? huh
[10:32] <apokryphos> sambagirl: of course
[10:32] <newbuntu> but it works now
[10:32] <mcphail> sambagirl: yes
[10:32] <ompaul> scaine, not that I know of
[10:32] <sambagirl> ok thanks
[10:32] <sambagirl> ofcourse he telling me ;)
[10:32] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, is the drive recognised in the bios?
[10:33] <sambagirl> jaja
[10:33] <_native_> what does he lsm have to do with audio?
[10:33] <sambagirl> ofcourse
[10:33] <roshan> newbuntu, Going to System > Preferences > Remote Desktop and sharing it starts a new VNC server at display 0, which you can access over SSH
[10:33] <emmi> Hello
[10:33] <scaine> ompaul, Ach, it was worth a try.  :-)
[10:33] <ompaul> igod, tell us all what the error is and then maybe
[10:33] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, it should be, I just mounted the hda3 here
[10:33] <newbuntu> roshan: but why do I need ssh for it? I thought it was encrypted already
[10:33] <Sanne> _native_: this may be helpful: http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=3
[10:33] <frogzoo> sambagirl, mostly yes, but not any that need their own drivers
[10:33] <ompaul> scaine, at this stage my brain filters out brown and green in irc
[10:33] <emmi> How could I download music if xMule doesn't work?
[10:33] <sambagirl> ok i just stick it in usb port i shoujld now be able to just go to it and copy, no?
[10:33] <roshan> newbuntu, VNC is quite insecure
[10:33] <frogzoo> sambagirl, that's the plan
[10:34] <scaine> Just needs time, then, eh, ompaul?  Great.  I can't wait... :-)
[10:34] <sambagirl> ok i go check
[10:34] <Sanne> _native_: and especially: http://tapas.affenbande.org/?page_id=22
[10:34] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, and yet, I've done this a minute ago
[10:34] <roshan> newbuntu, I think it sends everything (including passwords) in the clear
[10:34] <sambagirl> wow it's on the desktop lol ;D
[10:34] <sambagirl> amazing
[10:34] <dhjohnson> how do i kill a user session?
[10:34] <sambagirl> thanks!!
[10:34] <newbuntu> hmm ok roshan, will look at that link
[10:34] <scaine> roshan, newbuntu, you might want to check out this link, where there's a detailed guide on using VNC securely :  http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/BreezyCust
[10:34] <newbuntu> maybe I can figure it out
[10:35] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, sheesh...
[10:35] <emmi> ...?
[10:35] <igod> ompaul, I install spalshy on my computer and add vga=792 to grub like: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-686-smp root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet vga=792
[10:35] <trans_err> how can I change my dpi in gnome? I know you can add -dpi 75 to kdmrc, but how do I do it for gdm?
[10:35] <roshan> thanks, scaine, will see
[10:35] <_native_> thnx
[10:35] <tritium> igod, you can't do both (vga=792, and have usplash)
[10:35] <ompaul> igod, I know nothing of splashy
[10:36] <igod> but when I choose this options I obtain this errror you pass an undefined mode number
[10:36] <sambagirl> ubuntu makes windows look foolish :D
[10:36] <sambagirl> lol
[10:36] <xandor> what package do I need to install to play mp3 files and such in Juk and Amarok and so on?
[10:36] <ompaul> igod, see what tritium said
[10:36] <_native_> windows is foolish
[10:36] <_native_> :-)
[10:36] <scaine> roshan, newbuntu : just to say, I think this guy's guide gives you a "new login" type desktop.  The way I use VNC, I actually take control of screen 0.  Anyway, good luck with it.  Always helps when you know it's possible (although it does make it more frustrating if you still can't get it to work... :-))
[10:36] <sambagirl> i know
[10:36] <puff> Is there a way I can download all the apt packages necessary for upgrading to breezy, without actually upgrading?
[10:36] <emmi> How could I download music if xMule doesn't work?
[10:37] <igod> tritium, but when I installed splashy apt-get remove usplash ( I think)
[10:37] <shwag> scaine, hmm...klipper, okay.
[10:37] <_native_> sambagirl, nice nick ;-]
[10:37] <puff> I want to kick off the download and then come back in a few hours to actually upgrade.
[10:37] <tritium> igod, I'm not familiar with splashy
[10:37] <crimsun> tritium: look at the command= directive of [server-Standard]  in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[10:37] <sambagirl> grazie visit my riojams.com for samba 24/7 in 2 weeks!
[10:37] <crimsun> err, sorry tritium
[10:37] <neuro|laptop> xandor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:37] <dhjohnson> how does one end another users session?
[10:37] <crimsun> trans_err: look at the command= directive of [server-Standard]  in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[10:37] <ompaul> _native_, sambagirl head into #ubuntu-offtopic for that subject - this is a support channel the other is to indulge the verbosity of your typing abilities
[10:37] <puff> -download-only, maybe?
[10:37] <python> anyone installed streamtuner, what a great piece of software
[10:38] <xandor> neuro|laptop Thanks.
[10:38] <Sanne> puff: look in man apt-get, I believe there is some option for that
[10:38] <emmi> Argh?
[10:38] <Myrtti> what
[10:38] <trans_err> crimsun: I did that and I don't see any difference
[10:38] <emmi> no one answers :-D
[10:38] <_native_> same to you hipocrit
[10:38] <Sanne> puff: yes, --download-only, that's what I meant (no idea how/if it works, though)
[10:39] <crimsun> trans_err: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log tell you is being used for DPI?
[10:39] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, looks like I got it wrong - it should be (hd0,2) afterall
[10:39] <Myrtti> try another emule/edonkey clone?
[10:39] <roshan> scaine: that's the same thing I do. What I wanted to say was that VNC is too insecure to use over the public Internet w/o SSH
[10:39] <emmi> Umm. Yes yes.
[10:39] <emmi> Thanks..
[10:39] <python> anyone who like there music, i recommend you apt-get dreamtuner
[10:39] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, maybe fix up the menu.lst & try again
[10:40] <python> sorry streamtuner
[10:40] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, didnt fix
[10:40] <scaine> roshan, Aye - you're absolutely right.  I agree totally.  Didn't mean to jump in on you there, but I thought that guys guide was pretty useful.
[10:40] <puff> Hk, woul
[10:40] <trans_err> crimsun: what string am I looking for?
[10:40] <neuro|laptop> dreamtuner, nice name for an app tho :)
[10:40] <emmi> Anyone from Fi? :-)
[10:40] <puff> Hm, it would be cool to have a version of apt that used bittorrent for the downloads.
[10:40] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, I tried a different thing. I apt-got grub for this ubuntu live. and when I did grub-install I got this: /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[10:40] <thrush> python: might play arount with streamripper too some recording functionality for streamtuner I believe
[10:40] <trans_err> crimsun: (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (86, 84)
[10:40] <kdude> can somebody help me get my sound card to play MIDI files? Thanks.
[10:40] <robertj^> Does Network Manager in dapper mean GUI WEP Config
[10:41] <Myrtti> emmi: _o/
[10:41] <python> there is some recording thing but havent played with it, just intigued by all the stations u have access to all built into a piece of software its neat
[10:41] <_native_> wep config is supported thru the net manager in breezy.
[10:41] <emmi> Aa, kiva.
[10:41] <neuro|laptop> tis, i was playing with wep config the other day
[10:41] <neuro|laptop> does it seamlessly
[10:41] <bash> robertj^ : netapplet ?
[10:42] <frogzoo> vpnsctl, /dev/mapper/casper/snapshot - ??? wtf?
[10:42] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-fi for Finnish chat about ubuntu
[10:42] <python> Ubuntu rocks, this is just the beggining i can see Ubuntu making bifg strides in Linux
[10:42] <emmi> Yes?
[10:42] <robertj^> bash: I'm confused is it network manager now and netapplet in dapper
[10:42] <robertj^> I'm on my iBook right now because my wife has my other laptop ;)
[10:42] <python> to be honest im finding it hard to find any major bugs on breezy
[10:43] <robertj^> python: depends on what you refer to as major ;)
[10:43] <python> i mean big issues
[10:43] <bash> robertj^, use network manager to config the wep.
[10:43] <python> things not working
[10:43] <_native_> python, ive found plenty.
[10:43] <robertj^> bahh, I'm backwords, WPA not WEB
[10:43] <roshan> newbuntu, scaine: you're right. The tunnelling over SSH thing is somewhat complicated. I'm not at the box where I set it up so I don't have details. AFAIK you need to tunnel <IP_ADDRESS>:5900 to remote 5900
[10:43] <python> such as....
[10:43] <colen> what bugs have you found?
[10:44] <robertj^> bash, sorry WPA
[10:44] <bash> netapplet is only a applet from gnone panel.
[10:44] <blank> is there a thing where i can test to see if i have sound
[10:44] <bash> robertj^, uhm.
[10:44] <python> yes there is blankl
[10:44] <robertj^> I got wpa_supplicant to work but it's still a bit shaky I think
[10:44] <Potterwins> anybody ever get 4 speakers to work with a sound blaster live! card in ubuntu?
[10:44] <Pyrocuror> can anyone tell me what I need to do to tell Ubuntu to activate connection eth2 during startup?  During the install I told it to use eth1, but now I would like to change that.
[10:44] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, I'll reboot and see if something goes different
[10:44] <nickrud> blank, system-preferences-multimedia selector has test buttons
[10:45] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, brb
[10:45] <dhjohnson> how does one end an ssh session that failed to log out properly?
[10:45] <scaine> Yep, that sounds about right roshan.  I'm pretty lucky that I just get to use internal ip structure... the VPN box I use (a Draytek vigour) handles the security elements for me.
[10:45] <colen> does anyone know if I install a second sound card in a system, if both the new sound card aswell as the onboard sound work?
[10:45] <frogzoo> dhjohnson, kill -9 ?
[10:45] <bash> it realy nesesary use a gui program robertj^?
[10:45] <python> blank goto Applications>System Tools>Ubuntu Device Database
[10:45] <dhjohnson> frogzoo, let me check that out
[10:46] <robertj^> bash: no, but is wpa_supplicant even in main?
[10:46] <crimsun> robertj^: no, it's not.
[10:46] <roshan> scaine: I dream about that kind of network infrastructure :-)
[10:46] <robertj^> bash, so yeah, that's just a some suckage there
[10:46] <roshan> scaine: I'm 16 and my experience is limited to my home network
[10:47] <robertj^> isn't wap the most widly used encryption standard for wireless that's not trivial to break?
[10:47] <scaine> colen, I have an onboard, an audigy and a USB handset - they're all working okay in Breezy.  I do get the odd conflict between oss and alsa when I use cedega, but that's quite easily fixed.
[10:47] <neuro|laptop> wap not trivial to break?
[10:47] <frogzoo> Pyrocuror, man interfaces
[10:47] <blank> when I go to test video
[10:47] <blank> it says
[10:47] <blank> Is your video display hardware working properly?Detected settings: impossible with fglrx
[10:47] <blank> but I've tried the gears demo and all and it works...
[10:47] <shwag> Gnome Clipboard Manager - http://gcm.sourceforge.net/
[10:47] <scaine> I've been doing internet vpns for about 6 years now, roshan.  They're an absolute pain to set up, even with market leaders Checkpoint, but once they're in, they make a real difference...
[10:48] <shwag> dont see any ubuntu packages for it though.
[10:48] <neuro|laptop> scaine: i used to work for smoothwall, i know what you mean :)
[10:48] <_native_> nero|laptop you need to capture enough IV's to crack wep.
[10:48] <neuro|laptop> if we could crack *easy* pptp config in ubuntu tho ... holy grail ;)
[10:48] <blank> I'd like my windows to be able to overlap the toolbars, can anyone help?
[10:48] <_native_> wpa however is crackable thru dictionary attack
[10:49] <crimsun> trans_err: the "nvidia" driver has some crack to determine and set it itself
[10:49] <roshan> scaine: Thanks for warning me. I've been trying to set up OpenVPN between home and school
[10:49] <scaine> neuro|laptop, I never used smoothwall, but I understand it's getter bigger.  Checkpoint, Sonic and Watchguard were the main ones I've come across.  I've even seen a few masochists try to use a Microsoft ISA server to set up over PPTP... yikes!
[10:49] <blank> where can I choose how big I want my icons to be?
[10:50] <neuro|laptop> scaine: hehe
[10:50] <trans_err> does anyone know where I can force X to start with a certian DPI-- it seems as if NVIDIA calculates its own and won't change
[10:50] <scaine> And pix.  Cisco is getting better too.  There's even talk of a half-decent gui to their VPN stuff on the new 2800 series routers.  I'll believe it when I see it!
[10:50] <neuro|laptop> hehe
[10:50] <kdude> can somebody help me get my sound card to play #MIDI files? Thanks.
[10:50] <colen> scaine: thank you.  I would like to use both sound cards, but I have not yet got me new one yet so I'll have to wait and see how it works.
[10:50] <neuro|laptop> we run our office VPNs through a couple of 1712s, just works
[10:50] <theine> Is there a way of manipulating the partition table so that the `Partition n does not end on cylinder boundary' complains in fdisk go away?
[10:51] <neuro|laptop> we almost cracked getting breezy to work with it, but just ran out of fiddle time
[10:51] <scaine> colen, I'm not sure how you can use both together, unless you intend to configure some apps to use oss and others to use alsa.  I guess it depends on the app.  What's your idea for two cards?
[10:51] <xandor> neuro|laptop I Just wanted to say thanks, I've been trying for months to get my sound to fully function.
[10:52] <neuro|laptop> xandor: hey, no worries
[10:52] <crimsun> kdude: are snd_seq and snd_seq_oss loaded? If your sound card does not have hardware midi, you'll need to use timidity or fluidsynth, etc.
[10:52] <neuro|laptop> in future, just check the wiki
[10:52] <xandor> Will do.
[10:52] <crimsun> kdude: please follow the hints on alsa.opensrc.org for midi
[10:52] <xandor> See ya later, thanks again.
[10:52] <Zeep> Can anybody help? I'm trying to reinstall grub via the rescue mode - root is mounted, but I always get the error message "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly"
[10:52] <kdude> crimsun: thanks.
[10:52] <Zeep> What shall I do?
[10:53] <crimsun> Zeep: you can't just mount /, you need to chroot to it, too
[10:53] <kdude> crimsun: snd_seq** are all loaded. I will checkout that alsa site. thanks.
[10:54] <klunka> G'day.  My updates are not working.  Are the servers down?
[10:54] <Zeep> crimsun: The root-filesystem is mounted as / - I'm using the rescue system
[10:54] <crimsun> Zeep: so you're executing grub-install?
[10:56] <Zeep> crimsun: Yep, "grub-install /dev/hda"
[10:56] <kip__> I got some synaptic errors when upgrading to breezy. Is there anyone here that can help me fix them?
[10:56] <Potterwins> are there any major differences to running gnome as opposed to kde?
[10:56] <mnault> how do I enable hardware acceleration
[10:56] <Potterwins> anyone have an opinion?
[10:56] <crimsun> Zeep: is /boot/grub/stage1 valid?
[10:56] <newbuntu> can I change the default port to something else than 5900 for the ubuntu vnc server?
[10:56] <nickrud> night and day Potterwins, day and night ;)
[10:56] <blank> is there an aptget package for limewire
[10:56] <scaine> Potterwins, Gnome doesn't support as much customisation as KDE, but I prefer it for the way it looks.  Just awesome, compared to KDE.
[10:56] <crimsun> blank: not in the official repos, no
[10:56] <blank> you know any other repos taht has it?
[10:56] <Zeep> crimsun: less does display the file as being binary, but it has content
[10:56] <Potterwins> so what advantages or disadvantages .... i'm running gnome
[10:57] <theine> blank, you could probably use the one from http://debian-unofficial.org/
[10:57] <nickrud> blank, take a look at gtk-gnutella, it's in the repos and uses the same p2p network
[10:57] <Zeep> Potterwins: It's more a matter of taste, I'd say (I prefer KDE, BTW)
[10:57] <Potterwins> and can kde programs be run while using gnome if you use terminal
[10:57] <scaine> Only thing I miss in Gnome is window memory, which is easy in KDE.  You have to use a crappy command-line called Devilspie in Gnome, which I've never been bothered to use.
[10:57] <neuro|laptop> kde apps can run just fine under gnome
[10:57] <Potterwins> or are all gui programs defined by the desktop?
[10:58] <thrush> Potterwins: if u apt-get them they will run fine
[10:58] <blank> thanks
[10:58] <Zeep> crimsun: Is it possible to restore this file?
[10:58] <neuro|laptop> install one using apt-get or synaptic and it should pick up the kde libs automagically
[10:58] <scaine> Potterwins, how do you mean?
[10:58] <mnault> how do I enable hardware acceleration
[10:58] <apokryphos> Potterwins: typical ones: kde more applications/developers/users, more configurability and customizability, C++ and Qt.
[10:58] <akurashy> how do i know how many people in ssh are logged in in a server?
[10:58] <Potterwins> well i notice some programs say they are for kde
[10:58] <blank> is it possible to uinstall packages installed with synaptic through synaptic?
[10:58] <Potterwins> other for gnome
[10:58] <neuro|laptop> akurashy: w or finger
[10:58] <neuro|laptop> blank: of course
[10:58] <ptlo> Potterwins, if you have kde program, you can put a lanucher for it in eg panel (or anywhere, really), and start it just as any other program. and vice versa, you can do that for gnome programs in kde
[10:58] <akurashy> neuro|laptop: in terminal i type that?
[10:58] <Potterwins> k
[10:58] <neuro|laptop> akurashy: yeah
[10:58] <scaine> Potterwins, I think that mostly means how it looks.  I use K3b in Gnome for DVD/CD burning.  Never had a problem with it.
[10:58] <akurashy> kk
[10:58] <crimsun> Zeep: GRUB must be choking on something else.
[10:58] <akurashy> thanks
[10:58] <ptlo> Potterwins, gnome and kde are just two gui environments with a bit different philosophy, and look and feel. both have many great programs
[10:59] <blank> does anyone know if AA uses OpenGL?
[10:59] <blank> (americas army)
[10:59] <mnault> how do I enable hardware acceleration
[10:59] <ptlo> Potterwins, i personally stick with gnome, but it's a subjective choice (i preffer its look&feel)
[10:59] <crimsun> blank: yes, it does.
[10:59] <Potterwins> so far i think gnome is great
[10:59] <Potterwins> but i haven't tried kde yet
[10:59] <minnie> Is it possible install both KDE and Gnome and choose between them on boot?
[10:59] <neuro|laptop> Potterwins: have a browse through this lot: http://www.google.com/search?q=gnome+vs+kde
[10:59] <Potterwins> is it easy to switch from one to the other?
[10:59] <crimsun> Zeep: can you get an strace?
[11:00] <kip__> How do I fix this: Unpacking libopenh323-1.15.3c2
[11:00] <kip__> (from .../libopenh323-1.5.3c2_1.15.6-1_i386.deb ...
[11:00] <kip__> dpkg: error
[11:00] <kip__> processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libopenh323-1.5.3c2_1.15.6-1_i386.deb
[11:00] <kip__> (--unpack)
[11:00] <kip__> trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libopenh323.so.1', which is also in
[11:00] <kip__> package libopenh323-1.13.2
[11:00] <nickrud> minnie, you can choose at login, no reboot needed
[11:00] <scaine> mnault, This usually depends on whether you're ATI or Nvidia.  You're probably better off googling this kind of thing though - there's loadsa good guides on hardware acceleration...
[11:00] <Zeep> crimsun: what do you mean with "strace"? (btw, thank you for your help :-)
[11:00] <mnault> Ati
[11:00] <apokryphos> kip__: read the /topic; please do not paste in here
[11:00] <crimsun> Zeep: strace -o foo.txt -F grub-install /dev/hda
[11:00] <neuro|laptop> mnault: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[11:00] <mnault> thanks
[11:00] <Potterwins> so how easy is it to switch from one to the other
[11:00] <minnie> So I'm running gnome...if I installed KDE would it automatically ask me on login?
[11:01] <akurashy> how do i do, Broadcast Message in terminal?
[11:01] <scaine> minnie,  I did this with Hoary, when I was trying to decide which one to use.  The only problem I had was a few menu items get duplicated.
[11:01] <thrush> Potterwins: if u have the hd space sudo apt-get install kubuntu-deskop, then at login screen u can choose which by clicking on the sessions button
[11:01] <neuro|laptop> akurashy: wall
[11:01] <neuro|laptop> akurashy: type message then press CTRL+D
[11:01] <nickrud> minnie, no, there's a session button you choose with
[11:01] <akurashy> neuro|laptop: thanks again :)
[11:01] <thrush> Potterwins: btw kde sucks ;-)
[11:01] <neuro|laptop> uh oh
[11:01] <kip__> kip does not know what he is doing sorry.
[11:01] <Potterwins> how much space would kde take if i downloaded it?
[11:01] <neuro|laptop> wm wars!
[11:01] <nickrud> ditto, thrush
[11:01] <apokryphos> thrush: go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:01] <minnie> ahhh.okie
[11:01] <apokryphos> you too
[11:01] <nickrud> ok
[11:02] <Aven> hello
[11:02] <Aven> how do I get the Hoary package?
[11:02] <apokryphos> of?
[11:02] <Aven> what lines would I have to add?
[11:02] <neuro|laptop> ah, breezy constantly impresses
[11:02] <apokryphos> !tell Aven about sources
[11:02] <neuro|laptop> i installed 686-smp kernel, it automatically puts it as priority in grub config
[11:02] <scaine> I'm not sure how much space KDE takes.  But once it's down, you just choose "log off" from Gnome, then you click on "session" and choose KDE.
[11:02] <emmi> Hello all
[11:03] <Aven> Ah thanks
[11:03] <apokryphos> couple of hundred megs for kde, or so
[11:03] <scaine> You'll have a minor issue that when you shut down KDE, you can't choose "restart" or "shut down", cos you're still using GDM, not KDM, but that's minor.
[11:03] <Potterwins> do you use both?
[11:03] <Potterwins> why?
[11:03] <thrush> Potterwins: most people prefer one or the other, I dont really use either
[11:03] <crimsun> because he can?
[11:04] <Zeep> crimsun: the output file does contain many PROT_READ and PROT_WRITE -entries - altough the filesystem is mounted rw?
[11:04] <Potterwins> lol
[11:04] <apokryphos> Potterwins: GTK has some applications that I prefer to the kde-equivalent
[11:04] <Potterwins> i c
[11:04] <scaine> I use Gnome.  I did the whole KDM vrs Gnome thing in Ubuntu Hoary and came down on the Gnome side.
[11:04] <mnault> how do I enable hardware acceleration on breezy badger with a ati vid card?
[11:04] <apokryphos> Potterwins: and.. why would I want to restrict my options? =)
[11:04] <Zeep> crimsun: And grub does try to access /etc/ld.so.nohwcap, a file that doesn't exist
[11:04] <Chousuke> mnault: 9250 or older?
[11:04] <blabliblabla> Hi
[11:04] <Potterwins> well linux certainly does appear to be about options
[11:04] <Zeep> crimsun: I'm trying to create the file with "touch"
[11:04] <mnault> 8500dv
[11:04] <crimsun> Zeep: nonissues. Please bzip2 it and post it on the Web.
[11:04] <apokryphos> Potterwins: indeed
[11:05] <Chousuke> mnault: should be working per default. :/
[11:05] <mnault> no
[11:05] <kip__> How do I fix the error in synaptic where it won't overwrite libopenh323.so.1?
[11:05] <Potterwins> i've switched over from windows about 2 or 3 weeks ago..... and now i hate having to reboot into windows
[11:05] <Chousuke> with just proper X.org drivers selected and DRI enabled
[11:05] <blabliblabla> Did someone have trouble with installing mysql-server on breezy ?
[11:05] <neuro|laptop> the whole concept of dual boot irritates me
[11:05] <Chousuke> At least you don't need the binary drivers.
[11:05] <Potterwins> well
[11:05] <Zeep> crimsun: I am unable to copy the file from the other system. that's the problem ;-)
[11:05] <emmi> blabliblabla, nice nick. :-D
[11:05] <neuro|laptop> you always end up wanting to use an app in the other operating system
[11:05] <Potterwins> for us complete newbies
[11:05] <roshan> newbuntu, I don't think that's possible, at least with vino. AFAIK 5900+display is standard for VNC. Also, you might be interested in "zebedee" from universe
[11:05] <Potterwins> its a viable option
[11:05] <neuro|laptop> Potterwins: not getting at you, honest :)
[11:06] <blabliblabla> emmi : thx
[11:06] <neuro|laptop> just a personal observation
[11:06] <Potterwins> no worries
[11:06] <scaine> Potterwins, while you're on the subject, you could also check out Fluxbox and Enlightment.  Frankly (and I don't want to flame anyone here) I felt they were both a little underpowered.  Slightly geeky too.  Gnome and KDE are just so much more polished.  E17 (latest Enlightment) looks kinda good though.
[11:06] <Potterwins> no offence taken
[11:06] <Potterwins> i'd prefer to use only linux
[11:06] <Potterwins> but i am a complete newbie
[11:06] <neuro|laptop> fluxbox is *very* nice to use on older kit
[11:06] <neuro|laptop> very clean, very minimalist
[11:06] <Potterwins> and at this point..... i have a ways to go before i can be completely windows free
[11:06] <Niomi> what is the apt-get for fluxbox and/or enlightenment?
[11:06] <Chousuke> scaine: fluxbox is not comparable to KDE or gnome
[11:06] <Potterwins> to be windows free is my goal
[11:06] <scaine> neuro|laptop, True.  Fluxbox is a lightweight gui.  Horses for courses, really.
[11:06] <tritium> Potterwins, did you catch the snitch?
[11:07] <neuro|laptop> scaine: totally
[11:07] <thrush> scaine: fluxbox is not geeky! it only took me 18 hrs to get it just right this time
[11:07] <emmi> bla indeed.
[11:07] <Chousuke> you can use fluxbox as KDE or Gnome's window manager. :D
[11:07] <neuro|laptop> hmf
[11:07] <emmi> *blah
[11:07] <scaine> Chousuke, I agree.  That's what I'm trying to say.
[11:07] <rockviech> how do i mount dvd?
[11:07] <Potterwins> catch the snitch?
[11:08] <scaine> thrush, Geeky is too strong a word.  "not as accesible" is what I was aiming for.
[11:08] <Chousuke> witty remark about your nick.
[11:08] <mnault> how do I enable hardware acceleration on breezy badger with a ati 8500DV vid card?  Didnot go as default
[11:08] <Niomi> Potterwins, I didn't expect to be windows-free this soon. it was surprisingly easy. I mean to get my windows partition running again (for games) but i've been unmotivated to :p
[11:08] <Chousuke> :P
[11:08] <Chousuke> Wine works pretty well
[11:08] <Chousuke> I need PC hardware :(
[11:08] <Potterwins> well at this point..... it appears for my day to day computing needs ubuntu fits the bill
[11:08] <neuro|laptop> cedega allegedly kicks butt
[11:08] <Chousuke> so I can install ubuntu and play games
[11:09] <Niomi> the one i play isn't supported by wine.. yet. i might just wait until wine or cedega supports it.
[11:09] <Potterwins> i am a musician and there are some programs that i use in windows that i have yet to find equivalents for in linux
[11:09] <scaine> Yep - I use cedega too.  New version out in 2 days.  I'm about half way through HL2 at the mo.
[11:09] <EasterSunshine> Chousuke: cedega will not play the games perfectly
[11:09] <rockviech> hello? ^^
[11:09] <Chousuke> EasterSunshine: Sure it won't.
[11:09] <rockviech> how can i mount a dvd to watch?
[11:09] <neuro|laptop> scaine: yeah, i saw the countdown on the site :>
[11:09] <Chousuke> EasterSunshine: but well enough.
[11:09] <EasterSunshine> Chousuke: regardless of whatever claims they make, something very important will always be missing
[11:09] <Chousuke> Nah
[11:09] <EasterSunshine> Chousuke: in my experience of course
[11:09] <Chousuke> It's just a work in progress.
[11:09] <thrush> rockviech: easiest way to watch a dvd might be to apt-get vlc
[11:09] <scaine> neuro|laptop, They know how to market something, eh?  Cheeky buggers haven't slipped even a hint about what's going into version 5... :-(
[11:09] <mnault> how do I enable hardware acceleration on breezy badger with a ati 8500DV vid card?  Didnot go as default
[11:10] <Chousuke> It doesn't even TRY to be complete
[11:10] <EasterSunshine> Chousuke: its chasing a moving target
[11:10] <thrush> rockviech: should mount automatically
[11:10] <neuro|laptop> scaine: countdowns to releases are nothing new
[11:10] <Potterwins> needless to say..... since i installed linux...... my wife thinks i'm having an online affair
[11:10] <Chousuke> it just implements the most popular APIs
[11:10] <Chousuke> EasterSunshine: it has actually caught up already.
[11:10] <neuro|laptop> a nice big XXd YYh ZZm to release counter on a home page is a good way to get repeat visits  and drum up publicity :)
[11:10] <EasterSunshine> Potterwins: do you know about rosegarden?
[11:10] <Potterwins> she just can't understand how an operating system could be so much fun
[11:10] <Potterwins> lol
[11:10] <blabliblabla> Hello
[11:10] <rockviech> trush, but i cant watch, crash when i try to
[11:10] <scaine> neuro|laptop, Yeah, but you expect a leak or two about what to expect.  Nowt.  Not a peep.
[11:10] <Chousuke> EasterSunshine: all they need is to make it work without hitches
[11:10] <Potterwins> i want to try it EasterSunshine
[11:10] <neuro|laptop> that's good PR
[11:11] <Potterwins> can i install it with apt-get?
[11:11] <blabliblabla> I have some trouble with installing mysql-server on breezy, could someone help me please ?
[11:11] <scaine> Bad PR, for the fans...
[11:11] <thrush> rockviech: what app? is sound working before crash?
[11:11] <scaine> :-)
[11:11] <neuro|laptop> heh
[11:11] <emmi> anybody from Finland? :)
[11:11] <Chousuke> o/
[11:11] <kip__> Where else can someone chat to get problems with breezy install fixed?
[11:11] <mnault> no
[11:11] <EasterSunshine> Potterwins: update your repos, and then you can install it, but it will a big big install
[11:11] <Potterwins> have you tried it?
[11:11] <Xyc0> What size swap should I create for breezy?
[11:11] <emmi> Hmf.
[11:11] <Chousuke> Xyc0: depends on how much RAM you have.
[11:12] <neuro|laptop> Xyc0: convention says 1 to 1.5x your ram
[11:12] <Chousuke> well
[11:12] <neuro|laptop> tho other conventions may vary
[11:12] <neuro|laptop> :)
[11:12] <rockviech> trush, ogle and okle, no sound
[11:12] <neuro|laptop> others may say 0.5x your ram
[11:12] <neuro|laptop> depends how much you have
[11:12] <mnault> how do I enable hardware acceleration on breezy badger with a ati 8500DV vid card?  Didnot go as default
[11:12] <emmi> how olr r u?
[11:12] <neuro|laptop> usually anything over a gig of swap is useless
[11:12] <Xyc0> I have 1.5 gig, ubuntu automaticaly assigned 680 MB for swap, should I reinstall assigning more?
[11:12] <neuro|laptop> ime
[11:12] <Chousuke> Xyc0: nah
[11:12] <Chousuke> you don't even need swap
[11:12] <Chousuke> with that RAM
[11:13] <neuro|laptop> you might
[11:13] <neuro|laptop> 2/3rds of a gig should be fine
[11:13] <thrush> Xyc0: i doubt youll use that if u have decent amount of ram
[11:13] <Chousuke> well, yeah. is you use suspend or something.
[11:13] <scaine> mnault, This is an unofficial site, but may cover you're problem : http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/3D_Graphic_Cards
[11:13] <Xyc0> !swap
[11:13] <ubotu> methinks swap is used to put unused programs out of memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwapFaq
[11:13] <emmi> Damn yiu.
[11:13] <emmi> *you
[11:13] <mnault> thanks
[11:13] <Xyc0> wah ha, ubotu knows all
[11:14] <Zeep> crimsun: It seems that my partition table is invalid :-p
[11:14] <Chousuke> emmi: what? :P
[11:14] <rockviech> trush?
[11:14] <thrush> rockviech: what application are u using? xine?
[11:14] <akurashy> how to copy a folder files to another folder ?
[11:15] <Chousuke> on the command line?
[11:15] <emmi> No, nothing, I'm just asking here all sorts of things, but no one answers. ^^
[11:15] <rockviech> trush, i use ogle and okle
[11:15] <neuro|laptop> cp -a /path/to/first/folder/* /path/to/second/folder/
[11:15] <neuro|laptop> or just use nautilus
[11:15] <Chousuke> emmi: Well, I did indicate that I'm from Finland. ;P
[11:15] <neuro|laptop> el draggity drop
[11:15] <akurashy> neuro|laptop: in sshing a server
[11:15] <Chousuke> and if age interests you, I'm 18. :P
[11:15] <mnault> thanks again scaine
[11:15] <akurashy> im*
[11:15] <neuro|laptop> bah
[11:15] <akurashy> thanks once again neuro :)
[11:15] <neuro|laptop> yet another person makes me feel old :)
[11:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is the difference between mmc and sd?  i thought they were the same thing..
[11:16] <emmi> Oh are you?
[11:16] <thrush> rockviech: heard of it no experience though sorry, sounds like a swedish band..
[11:16] <Zeep> crimsun: Okay, thank you for your support - I think I am able to fix that, now :-)
[11:16] <emmi> Sorry, I didn't notice then..
[11:16] <rockviech> trush, i downloaded xine, what next?
[11:16] <Chousuke> Anyways.
[11:16] <scaine> Sorry emmi dude.  The reason people are ignoring you is that you're asking people where they're from and how old they are.  This is a technical forums for Ubuntu linux man...
[11:16] <Chousuke> I was going to say something, but I forgot.
[11:17] <neuro|laptop> BROKEN_LADDER: they're the same form factor, but SD is a superior card
[11:17] <emmi> Blah.
[11:17] <cafuego> neuro|laptop: That would have been a very crusty kernel, are you sure you want to have hacked on that? ;-)
[11:17] <emmi> I'm not a dude.
[11:17] <emmi> btw
[11:17] <emmi> haha
[11:17] <emmi> ..not.
[11:17] <_jason> !offtopic
[11:17] <ubotu> #ubuntu should be kept to support for the Ubuntu OS. For random discussion, join #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:17] <thrush> rockviech: i hate xine ;) I would recommed vlc and mplayer try vlc and see if you have any issues sound etc.
[11:17] <cafuego> neuro|laptop: .. coz the 1.2 reange wasn't *that* great.
[11:17] <neuro|laptop> cafuego: 0.x when i was 18 :)
[11:17] <mjr> SD has also some DRM options, and therefore SD card reader drivers are hard to come by
[11:17] <Chousuke> emmi: on IRC, everyone's a dude until proven otherwise.
[11:17] <rockviech> trush, vlc doesnt work either
[11:17] <scaine> Sorry emmi.  I use "dude" and "man" regardless of sex...
[11:17] <crimsun> rockviech: doesn't work with...?
[11:18] <neuro|laptop> rockviech: did you use File -> Play Disc?
[11:18] <neuro|laptop> scaine: i do that too, you're not alone
[11:18] <emmi> Yeah ok.
[11:18] <sohi> do experienced users use Ubuntu over other distros?
[11:18] <minnie> lol...you guys should use dudes and dudettes...:)
[11:18] <cafuego> neuro|laptop: Yeah, same here. Slackware 3
[11:18] <Chousuke> dudettes :D
[11:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> neuro|laptop i just read one is slightly thicker.  so if my digital camera came with an mmc card, i can replace that with a bigger sd card?
[11:18] <Chousuke> please.
[11:18] <neuro|laptop> cafuego: *same here* :)))
[11:18] <cafuego> sohi: Indeed. Ease of use/administration is a big plus.
[11:18] <neuro|laptop> BROKEN_LADDER: probably, ymmv
[11:18] <neuro|laptop> test before buying, etc
[11:19] <scaine> Dudettes is cool minnie, but I can never tell a dude from a dudette on these forums... :-)
[11:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> uhh..
[11:19] <minnie> No...I know its hard!!!
[11:19] <sohi> I hear it's basically like debian without the hassle of configuration
[11:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i bought it online of course.
[11:19] <emmi> I'l leave then..
[11:19] <neuro|laptop> and i suspect dudes would get upset at getting called a dudette ;)
[11:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> ymmv?
[11:19] <neuro|laptop> Your Mileage May Vary
[11:19] <scaine> Take it easy emmi.
[11:19] <minnie> Hey...any of you ever tried getting a hp all in one working with the hp drivers?
[11:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> neuro|laptop what is better about sd to mmc?
[11:19] <minnie> Printer that is.
[11:19] <thrush> rockviech: sorry i dunno you might check wiki libdvdcss and such
[11:19] <neuro|laptop> BROKEN_LADDER: sd faster, has h/w write protect, etc
[11:19] <arafat> is there a ubuntu rep for qt 4.0 (or 4.0.1) ?
[11:19] <neuro|laptop> google for more, off topic for here
[11:19] <Chousuke> I should be sleeping ;P
[11:19] <cafuego> sohi: Well, depending on your definition of hassle. It's a desktop-optimsied debian with sightly more sane default settings I guess.
[11:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> neuro|laptop ahhh
[11:19] <emmi> Yea, no hard feelings.
[11:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks
[11:20] <neuro|laptop> np
[11:20] <hav0k> how can i set a program to run when i boot up/log in?
[11:20] <carl_> for a P3 box, do I want linux-686, linux-image-686 or what?
[11:20] <emmi> :-D
[11:20] <scaine> sohi - that's a loaded question.  You trying to stroke egos on this forum?  :-)
[11:20] <emmi> Bye.
[11:20] <cafuego> carl_: yes
[11:20] <neuro|laptop> carl: 686
[11:20] <SAM_theman> lol i had to redo ubuntu again :D
[11:20] <neuro|laptop> mmm, stroked egos
[11:20] <rockviech> tell rockviech about libdvdcss
[11:20] <SAM_theman> 3 time :D
[11:20] <Chousuke> cafuego: well, Ubuntu just installs stuff per default. :p
[11:20] <sohi> hm?
[11:20] <rockviech> omg ^^
[11:20] <scaine> hav0k, You use the sessions options inside your preferences menu. (in Gnome).
[11:20] <Chousuke> Debian doesn't.
[11:20] <Chousuke> Besides the base system
[11:20] <cafuego> carl_: linux-686 depends on linux-image-686, which depends on linux-image-2.6.12-9-686
[11:20] <Chousuke> -s
[11:20] <hav0k> oh, okay
[11:20] <hav0k> thanks, scaine
[11:21] <cafuego> Chousuke: Only if you didn't choose the 'server' install, yes.
[11:21] <scaine> neuro|laptop, Calm yourself man!  :-)
[11:21] <Chousuke> Yeah.
[11:21] <carl_> cafuego, so I pick linux-686 in synaptic, right?
[11:21] <cafuego> Chousuke: But like I said, desktop optimised.
[11:21] <neuro|laptop> scaine: hehe
[11:21] <Chousuke> That I agree with :)
[11:21] <emmi> Back again
[11:21] <cafuego> carl_: Yeah, that's pull in a real kernel for you.
[11:21] <carl_> cafuego, et all - thanks
[11:22] <neuro|laptop> owwwww
[11:22] <neuro|laptop> 60Hz hurts eyes
[11:22] <Potterwins> anybody know how to get all 4 speakers to work with a sound blaster live! sound card?
[11:22] <scaine> I tend to ignore the priority in there hav0k, just leave everything at 50.  Seems to work for me...
[11:22] <sohi> hm what's that one file you usually need when using an nvidia card to use x
[11:22] <cafuego> neuro|laptop: I *still* have a working slack 3 box actually :-)
[11:22] <thrush> rockviech: try sudo apt-get install regionset
[11:22] <SAM_theman> how i install my nvidia driver again (the third time) :D
[11:22] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, do you know what LVM is?
[11:23] <cafuego> SAM_theman: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r); sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:23] <liran> logical volume manager?
[11:23] <scaine> Potterwins, My audigy works with all 4 speakers - double click on the gnome volume applet and you get the sliders appearing for PCM Master, PCM surround, PCM rear, etc...
[11:23] <neuro|laptop> cafuego: me too, a crusty old 486sx25 with 8MB RAM and a whopping 2.5GB disk
[11:23] <sohi> nvidia-glx
[11:23] <sohi> that's it
[11:23] <neuro|laptop> i rarely use it as the ISA NIC in it is 10base2
[11:23] <neuro|laptop> and i unplugged my last thinnet hub a long time ago
[11:23] <cafuego> neuro|laptop: oh, the poor thing. Mine's a K6-3 :-)
[11:23] <neuro|laptop> My First Server
[11:23] <neuro|laptop> :)
[11:24] <cafuego> neuro|laptop: ... which runs as pppoe router/gateway and samba server.
[11:24] <Chousuke> Can you keep such an old distro secured?
[11:24] <scaine> neuro|laptop, 10base2?  That takes me back... you use the old vampire crimps to tap in on those bad mothers??
[11:24] <neuro|laptop> nah, that's 10base5
[11:24] <neuro|laptop> thicknet
[11:24] <vpnsctl> frogzoo, I believe the best thing is to install again the ubuntu, but the instalation program didn't figured out the partitions and showed something like LVM, do you know what lvm is?
[11:24] <scaine> neuro|laptop, sure sure... I stand corrected...
[11:24] <carl_> lspci shows " ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64)" - is there a binary driver I should package use?
[11:24] <Potterwins> mine just says master, pcm and  pc speaker
[11:24] <cafuego> it runs Linux monolith 2.0.40 #79
[11:24] <neuro|laptop> only ever read about vampire taps while doing my MCSE in 1998 :)
[11:25] <Chousuke> cafuego: I don't htink you need a binary driver.
[11:25] <SAM_theman> brb restarting X
[11:25] <scaine> neuro|laptop, Aye - before my time too.  I'm 34 and just missed them about 5 years...
[11:25] <cafuego> Chousuke: Binary driver?
[11:25] <Chousuke> err
[11:25] <Chousuke> carl_: even
[11:25] <Chousuke> :P
[11:25] <vpnsctl> thrush, do you know?
[11:26] <cafuego> Chousuke: Yes, you can keep such an old distro secured, but making ssh work with libc5 *can* be a complete PITA.
[11:26] <Chousuke> cafuego: ehh. :D
[11:26] <vpnsctl> thrush, the problem is, I have some partitions in here and ubuntu is not recognizing any
[11:26] <vpnsctl> thrush, in the instalation process
[11:26] <Chousuke> And people complain that Debian is old :(
[11:26] <cafuego> Chousuke: <hehe>
[11:26] <Potterwins> ahhhh i got it
[11:26] <Chousuke> I take that slackbox is pretty stable.
[11:26] <cafuego> Chousuke: I just apply rule 1.
[11:26] <vpnsctl> thrush, but if I go to a terminal, I can see each partition
[11:26] <Potterwins> i just needed to add it scaine
[11:27] <scaine> Potterwins, well, it's an audigy I'm using, not a live, so I might not be able to help here.  Just make sure you're looking at the right device though...
[11:27] <cafuego> Chousuke: It is not, it had a dodgy scsi controller a while back, made it crash.
[11:27] <Chousuke> cafuego: Hmm, that I haven't heard.
[11:27] <rockviech> trush and next?
[11:27] <treitter> anyone here on Breezy who uses sound-juicer to rip Ogg Vorbis?
[11:27] <cafuego> eh, it is NOW.
[11:27] <Chousuke> cafuego: right.
[11:27] <cafuego> !rule 1
[11:27] <ubotu> Rule number one: Don't fix it if it isn't broken!
[11:27] <treitter> I hosed my prefs and just need someone to read off a few lines
[11:27] <scaine> Potterwins, so you can see all the front/rear options now?
[11:27] <Chousuke> Ah, of course.
[11:27] <rockviech> trush, how can i call fstab under etc?
[11:27] <scaine> treitter, Nope, I use Grip to rip MP3.
[11:27] <odie5533> Is there a way to get NetBeans on Ubuntu?
[11:28] <treitter> scaine: but you haven't uninstalled sound-juicer, have you?
[11:28] <Potterwins> surround and wave surround
[11:28] <cafuego> Interestingly it has the same uptime as my hosted box, 233 days.
[11:28] <treitter> scaine: I basically just use the default prefs
[11:28] <scaine> treitter, It comes as standard, I think (in Breezy).
[11:28] <Potterwins> thanks scaine
[11:28] <scaine> Potterwins, no worries.
[11:28] <Dasnipa`> odie5533: just download the netmeans binary file and install...
[11:28] <scaine> treitter, sorry - misunderstood you.  Yep, it's still installed.
[11:28] <Dasnipa`> beans*
[11:28] <Potterwins> anybody got any pointers on installing wolfenstein enemy territory ?
[11:28] <treitter> scaine: yeah. Could you launch it and read off the lines in Edit -> Prefs -> Edit Profiles (button near the bottom) -> (default entry)
[11:29] <neuro|laptop> Potterwins: yeah, unpack and run the installer
[11:29] <neuro|laptop> it Just Works
[11:29] <Potterwins> i'm dowloading the run file
[11:29] <scaine> treitter, two ticks dude.
[11:29] <odie5533> Dasnipa`, is there any deb file of it?
[11:29] <Potterwins> how do i unpack?
[11:29] <jpoe> anyone have suggestions as to good C/C++ IDE's to check out? .. I'm using standard ubuntu/gnome .. I've tried kdevelop, and I use bluefish for php stuff, but neither really fits me for C/C++ .. any recommendations?
[11:29] <Potterwins> sorry
[11:29] <neuro|laptop> sorry, just run the run file
[11:29] <Potterwins> k
[11:29] <Potterwins> sorry
[11:29] <Potterwins> i'm a newb
[11:29] <synackuator> how do you squelch someone in irc?
[11:29] <Potterwins> but i am having a blast learning
[11:30] <Stormx2> ubuntuforums are... back!
[11:30] <akurashy> how do i kill a ssh session?
[11:30] <scaine> treitter, the default on my system is "CD Quality, Lossy (Ogg)".  In edit profiles, I have three entries - CD Quality Lossless, Lossy and Voice.  Which do you want?
[11:31] <Chousuke> he wants cd quality lossy
[11:31] <Chousuke> ;P
[11:31] <scaine> treitter, For lossy (for example), the Gstreamer pipeline is " audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! vorbisenc name=enc quality=0.5"
[11:31] <scaine> Does that help?
[11:31] <treitter> scaine: yeah. Thanks!
[11:31] <scaine> No worries.
[11:32] <linuxboy> can I check the md5sum of a cd/dvd *after* i burn it?
[11:32] <linuxboy> i wanna check the ubuntu dvd
[11:32] <scaine> That's 10:30.  I'm gonna shoot the craw and read my book.  Take it easy dudes.  (and dudettes)...  :-)
[11:32] <roshan> jpoe: anjuta?
[11:32] <Seveas> linuxboy, sudo md5sum /dev/hdX
[11:32] <rockviech> how can i open fstab?
[11:32] <selinium> synackuator, /ignore
[11:33] <linuxboy> Seveas: it returns a different sum....
[11:33] <rockviech> how can i open fstab????
[11:33] <minnie> in a terminal sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[11:33] <selinium> rockviech, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[11:33] <selinium> minnie, you win! :)
[11:33] <minnie> lol
[11:33] <Xerxes_Ubuntu> hey
[11:34] <Xerxes_Ubuntu> how can I change my screen resolution
[11:34] <selinium> Xerxes_Ubuntu, System /prefs /screen res
[11:34] <malv> does the amd64 version have 64-bit programs?
[11:34] <selinium> malv, yep
[11:35] <SAM_theman> umm guys
[11:35] <neuro|laptop> and gals
[11:35] <neuro|laptop> (not that i'm a gal)
[11:35] <vader1102> wrong place woops
[11:35] <selinium> SAM_theman, and gals
[11:35] <malv> is it possible to upgrade from a x86 installation to an amd64 installation?
[11:35] <SAM_theman> i can't play my cd player its playing but now music (sound)
[11:35] <SAM_theman> yup
[11:35] <SAM_theman> srry :d
[11:36] <cafuego> malv: Wipe, reinstall.
[11:36] <selinium> malv, I don't think so. It need a separate partition. Or over write
[11:36] <cafuego> malv: Do you use java/flash/vxid video?
[11:36] <cafuego> s/vxid/xvid and divx/
[11:36] <malv> yea, i think i will save my home directory
[11:36] <Xerxes_Ubuntu> dudes
[11:36] <Xerxes_Ubuntu> how can I get ubuntu liek fullscreen
[11:36] <Xerxes_Ubuntu> :P
[11:37] <cafuego> dudette...
[11:37] <selinium> cafuego, i think you can get flash now in 64bit
[11:37] <Xerxes_Ubuntu> It wont work
[11:37] <cafuego> selinium: Yes, it happily crashes firefox.
[11:37] <selinium> cafuego, Didn't know, not tried iut myself! :)
[11:37] <jesdiscover> anyone else seeing download problems from repositories ?..so far wine and blackdown java aren't fetching right (          blackdown failed at around 87%) and wanted to make sure its not just me ..??
[11:37] <cafuego> selinium: it gets really annoying when FF crashes each timr you happen to come across a page with a flasha d banner or something :-(
[11:37] <selinium> Xerxes_Ubuntu, what kind of card are you using? ati/nvidia
[11:37] <malv> i am considering upgrade from a 2500+ xp processor to an AMD 64 3200+ and I am wondering what kind of performance differences I should expect
[11:38] <cafuego> jesdiscover: You have no business downloading from blackdown. Blackdown java is in the Ubuntu repositories.
[11:38] <Xerxes_Ubuntu> uhm
[11:38] <selinium> malv, not all programs have been rewritten for 64 bit. So you will only get better performance from those applications
[11:38] <Xerxes_Ubuntu> none of those
[11:38] <Xerxes_Ubuntu> hmm
[11:38] <jesdiscover> cafuego, im not downloading from there..im doing all this from "add applications'....
[11:38] <selinium> Xerxes_Ubuntu, it will be one of those! :)
[11:38] <cafuego> malv: Not too much on desktop apps, media apps and compiling will run about twice as fast.
[11:39] <Seveas> jesdiscover, that uses the ubuntu repositories...
[11:39] <cafuego> jesdiscover: Ah, that's good then :-)
[11:39] <jesdiscover> yes..it does
[11:39] <malv> thanks guys
[11:39] <jesdiscover> Seveas, yes, I know
[11:39] <cafuego> jesdiscover: See if you can try a different mirror site.
[11:39] <selinium> malv, If you are looking to run a lamp it will fly!
[11:39] <cafuego> jesdiscover: Also check if your disk is full.
[11:39] <jesdiscover> cafuego, disk has tons of room
[11:39] <jesdiscover> cafuego, use a diffferent mirror ?
[11:39] <cafuego> jesdiscover: Yep
[11:40] <jesdiscover> cafuego, sorry..my brother setup this thing on my computer last night..I dont know a  mirror from the one in my  bathroom
[11:40] <SAM_theman> well...
[11:40] <roshan> jesdiscover, you might want to d/l wine from winehq.org instead of the repos. They've just releases v0.9 and finally it is in beta. They have ubuntu packages
[11:40] <SAM_theman> anyone had that problem?
[11:40] <cafuego> jesdiscover: 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' and change the hostname for the mirror. What's in there now?
[11:41] <selinium> jesdiscover, you can also download a 30 day trail of crossover office...
[11:41] <jesdiscover> cafuego, I have no idea what your talking about :(..maybe im asking for help in the wrong place..where shoud I go ?
[11:41] <odie5533> Is there a way to force a resolution change from some config file? maybe xorg.conf?
[11:41] <blank> does ubuntu come with screenshot taking program?
[11:41] <jesdiscover> selinium, what does that do , and where can it be found..what are the benefits of this ?
[11:41] <blank> like kshot or whatever it's called with kde
[11:41] <cafuego> jesdiscover: Open a terminal.  If so crossover office is a propriatary (Payed for) program allowing you to install and run windows based software.
[11:42] <yohan> to what path is standard? /usr/bin?
[11:42] <jesdiscover> cafuego, its asking for some password....im going to strange my brother when I see him today
[11:43] <selinium> jesdiscover, strangle?
[11:43] <jesdiscover> +l
[11:43] <cafuego> jesdiscover: That's supposed to happen. Enter your password.
[11:43] <jesdiscover> ok
[11:43] <roshan> yohan, I usually install them in subdirectories of /opt/
[11:44] <moua> do you have a n advice on how yo install a tv tunner ?
[11:44] <aguthrie> I'm having a problem with my logitech mx500 mouse. it seems to pick it up and all, but the light doesn't come on (scrollwheel works if it's positioned over an active window).
[11:44] <yohan> roshan: k
[11:45] <thechitowncubs> This project was a great idea
[11:45] <yohan> anyone running azureus here? it hangs when i do tools->options?
[11:45] <jesdiscover> cafuego, ok that seems to be working...nothing is happening though..the cursor wont move
[11:45] <cafuego> jesdiscover: Not with the arrow keys?
[11:46] <roshan> moua, what tuner do you have?
[11:46] <jesdiscover> cafuego, hm
[11:46] <zxsykco> I'd like libtyvis1-dev on me box here..  And it tells me Depends: libtyvis1 (=20031216-4) but it is not installable... This makes me very sad.. T_T Can someone help me please? ^_^
[11:46] <cafuego> jesdiscover: 'nano' won't use the mouse.
[11:46] <jesdiscover> cafuego, oh
[11:47] <blank> anyone recommend any good ftp program?
[11:47] <blank> im downloading gFTP right now
[11:47] <zxsykco> VHDL C++ headers are good for me!
[11:47] <cafuego> jesdiscover: Now it'll have a few lines that start wuth 'deb'. Can you paste *one* of them?
[11:47] <cafuego> blank: Places -> Connect to Server...  -> Set up an FTP one.
[11:47] <PJeremy> !ffmpeg
[11:47] <ubotu> PJeremy: Not a clue
[11:47] <Aven> blank
[11:47] <blank> ah, okay...
[11:47] <squidbullets> nalioth: can I program a printjob to print a single page file once every 8 minutes and twenty two seconds?
[11:47] <blank> yeah aven?
[11:47] <PJeremy> !info ffmpeg
[11:47] <Aven> just use sudo apt-get install gftp
[11:47] <ubotu> ffmpeg: (multimedia player, server and encoder), section universe/graphics, is optional.  He's being rude (in dutch)
[11:48] <ubuntu> ja cool!
[11:49] <jesdiscover> cafuego, I am so glad your trying to help me...but this is all rather confusing coming from windows ( brother insisted and so far its nice enough ..)...shouldnt 'add applications' just work  ?
[11:49] <cafuego> nalioth: cheers
[11:49] <ubuntu> pijpen
[11:49] <cafuego> jesdiscover: yes, but if the server it's fetching the application from is not working right, there will be issues.
[11:49] <ubuntu> tongen