[14:46] <nacc> Kobaz: but good point, it's possible to downgrade, you're right (just not easy)
[14:47] <nacc> Seburo: yeah, sorry for the misdirection
[14:47] <Kobaz> how much work is involved in resetup everything (ie: web, dns, database, etc etc etc)
[14:47] <nacc> Seburo: so i can see guake in my software app on 17.04
[14:47] <Seburo> nacc: where is it located?
[14:48] <nacc> Seburo: not sure what you mean? i click on the top magnifying glass to search, type 'guake', hit enter and after a few seconds, it shows up
[14:48] <steven> HA lotuspsychje
[14:48] <steven> I was on the wrong machine
[14:49] <steven> on the one I wanted to use it, it works
[14:49] <Seburo> nacc: all I have is a tool to change the colour scheme when I do that.
[14:49] <steven> still a weird error
[14:49] <nacc> Seburo: do you see it with `apt search guake` on a terminal?
[14:50] <amenjesus> is apt-get not used anymore?
[14:50] <Seburo> nacc: yes
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> amenjesus: from 16.04 you can use apt without -get
[14:51] <nacc> amenjesus: apt is another frontend, apt-get can also be used, but apt is a bit more user-friendly and combines a few tools together (apt-get, apt-cache, etc)
[14:53] <nacc> Seburo: hrm, i'm really not sure why it's not working -- i would consider filing a bug
[14:53] <nacc> Seburo: or seeing if one is already filed
[14:53] <nacc> !bug | Seburo
[14:53] <Seburo> nacc:  Ok, thanks.  Appreciate your time and help with this. Thank you.
[14:54] <clvx> yeap, laptop is unusable even if you are connected by wire. I have an xps13 9350 DE, this is gonna be fun for Dell users.
[14:55] <clvx> I think I'm gonna reinstall the whole system
[14:55] <waza-ari> Hi, I got a strange problem with my ubuntu 14.04.5. It seems I am unable to get to the grub menu and a new kernel won't boot either. I modified /etc/default/grub, uncommenting both GRUB_HIDDEN_* lines and update-grub. Still no GRUB showing, not even with Shift holding. Further, I installed 4.4 kernel (linux-image-generic-lts-xenial) which is shown in grub config but not loaded.
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> !who | clvx
[14:56] <clvx> ubottu, ok.. got it
[14:59] <akik> waza-ari: make both GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT have an empty value
[15:00] <waza-ari> akik: I'll try
[15:01] <tapanik> ubuntu wont sync with huawei honor 6
[15:01] <akik> waza-ari: sorry the other one was with _QUIET at the end
[15:01] <waza-ari> akik: yeah, got that. autocorrect :)
[15:02] <waza-ari> akik: still boots straight into ubuntu. What also bothers me: when doing update-grup it detects both the 3.13 and 4.4 kernel, but always boots the 3.13 kernel
[15:04] <mi78108_> 大家好
[15:04] <ducasse> waza-ari: if you set GRUB_TIMEOUT=3 the menu should show for 3 seconds
[15:04] <amenjesus> can someone get this vietnamese person and tell him that we speak american here
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> !zh | mi78108_
[15:04] <amenjesus> hey man we don't speak no north korean here
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> amenjesus: please be polite
[15:05] <amenjesus> i am sir
[15:05] <ducasse> amenjesus: we don't speak american either, we speak english ;)
[15:05] <tgm4883> sounds like a troll account
[15:05] <skinux> If that wasn't polite then I don't know what would be.
[15:05] <waza-ari> ducasse: it's actually set to 5. Yet it does not show up
[15:05] <nacc> skinux: not making racial assumptions
[15:05] <amenjesus> i don't know about none of yall but i speak proper murican
[15:05] <tgm4883> yep, troll
[15:05] <nacc> alright, someone can kick amenjesus now
[15:06] <amenjesus> if you kick me you hate jesus
[15:06] <amenjesus> and america
[15:06] <amenjesus> for which it stands
[15:06] <amenjesus> one nation under god
[15:06] <amenjesus> indivisible with liberty and justice for all
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> !ops | amenjesus offtopic
[15:06]  * tgm4883 needs his ikonia op powers
[15:06] <akik> waza-ari: pastebin /etc/default/grub
[15:06] <skinux> amenjesus: Umm, this channel isn't limited to America, but it is English speaking.
[15:06] <tgm4883> lotuspsychje: offtopic? A bit generous saying that I would think ;)
[15:07] <amenjesus> we have to recognize the world's greatest country in every way shape or form
[15:07] <amenjesus> USA USA USA!!!
[15:07] <tgm4883> amenjesus: Russia?
[15:07] <skinux> amenjesus: Enough!  I thu I was in community... cya!
[15:10] <ducasse> waza-ari: if you comment out the *HIDDEN* entries, it should work - that's what i have
[15:10] <Felishia> btw I arrived here to ask why does my computer detects a ethernet connection without any ethernet cable connected
[15:10] <waza-ari> ducasse: yeah, tried both empty values and commenting them out. GRUB is not showing. It kind of looks like that none of my config has any effect, as the new kernel is not used either
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> Felishia: ubuntu version?
[15:12] <tgm4883> oh Florida
[15:12] <jml1017> Folks - I'm trying to verify if the CVE-2016-10229 vulnerability exists in kernel 4.4.0-71-generic on 16.04.2 Xenial
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> !usn | jml1017
[15:13] <akik> waza-ari: you've added those GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX at the end. what do you get as the first view when you boot
[15:13] <jml1017> From what I've read here: https://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-security/cve/2016/CVE-2016-10229.html, I don't think it does
[15:13] <jml1017> But I'm not 100% sure
[15:13] <ducasse> jml1017: "Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus): not-affected (4.4.0-2.16)"
[15:13] <jml1017> Anyone know for sure whether or not the vulnerability exists?
[15:13] <Felishia> Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> Felishia: wifi chipset? did you try a reboot or network-manager restart?
[15:14] <waza-ari> akik: well.. I just did grub-install /dev/sda, not grub is showing and the new kernel is bootet.
[15:14] <Felishia> no... I haven't the weird thing is that it connects
[15:15] <Felishia> and then it says it can't find a DNS server
[15:15] <akik> waza-ari: found the solution at google https://thelastmaimou.wordpress.com/2013/11/11/this-grub-does-not-start-in-ubuntu/
[15:15] <Felishia> it says the same about when I actually connect to a real network
[15:15] <akik> waza-ari: GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=0 # disables the menu, boots right away
[15:15] <jml1017> Thanks, ducasse - that's what I thought, but wanted to be 100% certain that my machines aren't affected
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> jml1017: keep your systems up to date, as soon as possible
[15:17] <tgm4883> lotuspsychje: not always doable
[15:18] <waza-ari> akik: Interesting... as I said, grub-install /dev/sda and now the menu is showing. Also, the new kernel is loaded. Did not change that config line
[15:19] <akik> waza-ari: in my case i always set those HIDDEN values to an empty value and i get the grub menu
[15:22] <RonWhoCares> How do I set memcached to load when Ubuntu 16.10 boots
[15:24] <Guest23854> hey
[15:25] <amenjesus> hey is for horses
[15:26] <n-iCe> is 17.04 still using unity?
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> n-iCe: yes
[15:26] <n-iCe> lotuspsychje, did you update?
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> n-iCe: no, im sticking to LTS myself
[15:27] <DArqueBishop> n-iCe: I'm pretty sure Ubuntu won't be dropping Unity for GNOME as the default DE until 18.04.
[15:27] <n-iCe> lotuspsychje, I see, read swap partition is gone in this new update, is it right?
[15:28] <ducasse> n-iCe: new installs won't get a swap partition, bu a swapfile
[15:28] <n-iCe> ducasse, is a swap file awesome
[15:28] <ducasse> n-iCe: 'awesome'?
[15:29] <n-iCe> I mean, is it actually better than a swap partition? will it be fast as a partition?
[15:30] <ducasse> n-iCe: pretty much the same thing, except for certain specific setups.
[15:30] <soroush> hi
[15:31] <soroush> soroush
[15:31] <ducasse> n-iCe: if you have an encrypted disk and want hibernation you need a swap partition still.
[15:31] <Guest23854> where are you from
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> !chat | Guest23854
[15:37] <marvin2> what is a way to abort script (and maybe also print usage line) if no arguments were passed to bash script?
[15:41] <marvin2> tried this, getting errors. if [$# -eq 0]\n then echo "No arguments supplied"\n fi
[15:41] <marvin2> [0: command not found
[15:41] <\9> marvin2: you need a space after the "[", since it's a command
[15:41] <\9> marvin2: try `which [`
[15:43] <marvin2> which [ $# ] ?
[15:43] <\9> i meant try which [, to see that it's a program on the filesystem
[15:43] <marvin2> oh
[15:43] <\9> so you need to use a space after the [
[15:43] <marvin2> yes, it works after adding spaces
[15:44] <marvin2> I googled that example, should I use quotes in the echo command? is there a situation where lack of quotes would cause errors?
[15:45] <gmickelson> Hello all, I am trying to find assistance with an issue I am seeing on 17.04. I have a binary that is dependent on libssl.so.10 and libcrypto.so.10. This binary runs fine on CentOS 7 but I am not a big fan of running CentOS and would prefer a flavor of Ubuntu. When I go to run this binary, the system complains that the libraries are not in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/. If I create sym-links to the libssl.so.1.0.0 and libcrypto.so.1.0.0 called
[15:45] <gmickelson> libssl.so.10 and libcrypto.so.10 and run ldconfig the binary sees the libssl.so.10 library but fails to recognize the libcrypto.so.10 linked library. Anybody have any ideas on how to get past this? ldd shows that only the libcrypto library is missing so I'd like to get past this one hurdle. Thanks!
[15:46] <oerheks> gmickelson, if you have the source, compile it against ubuntu?
[15:49] <\9> marvin2: in ubuntu, probably not
[15:49] <\9> marvin2: but bash is a minefield of compatibility problems, shell scripts written for ubuntu might not work elsewhere
[16:00] <thyriaen> where can i find the *.desktop files which are "appear" by default when i install something from repos ?
[16:02] <krypto_> thyriaen: try locate
[16:02] <ducasse> thyriaen: /usr/share/applications
[16:02] <oerheks> thyriaen, in  /usr/share/applications/ , user-desktop-files go in  ~/.local/share/applications/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[16:02] <oerheks> pretty good wiki
[16:02] <thyriaen> yes krypto_ but there is soo much stuff in there
[16:03] <thyriaen> even though i got skype installed
[16:03] <thyriaen> it does not show up in that list
[16:03] <thyriaen> or maybe under a different name which i do not know
[16:03] <krypto_> grep ;) or pipe it to your favorite editor
[16:03] <traxus> I'm trying to set an environment variable with a pathname (as part of Vulkan), but it spits back "no such file or directory". I've never dealt with variables before.
[16:04] <traxus> $export VULKAN_SDK=~/vulkan/VulkanSDK/<IP_ADDRESS>/x86_64
[16:04] <traxus> It's according to these instructions: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Install-LunarG-Vulkan-SDK.aspx
[16:04] <krypto_> those amd instructions are wrong unfortunately
[16:04] <thyriaen> oh i was in app-install by mistake
[16:05] <krypto_> one sec traxus
[16:05] <thyriaen> okey now i found it
[16:05] <brainwash> traxus: remove the $
[16:06] <thyriaen> i am using an icon theme which when i switch to it
[16:06] <thyriaen> changes the icons of my applications
[16:06] <thyriaen> i wonder - how does it do that when the *.desktop files dont get overwritten ?
[16:06] <thyriaen> since the icon=... line loads the file right ?
[16:07] <traxus> If I enter the variables into a terminal, are they persistent on login, or do I have to add them to ~/.profile?
[16:07] <ducasse> thyriaen: it uses the icon that theme has for that application
[16:07] <krypto_> traxus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381036/ just adjust those variables accordingly to your path
[16:07] <krypto_> yes add them to the .profile
[16:07] <brainwash> traxus: they are not persistent
[16:07] <krypto_> after you do that.. open up a new terminal and type vulkaninfo | pastebinit and share the link
[16:08] <thyriaen> how does the application "know" which icon to use ? :P like where does the theme come on ducasse
[16:08] <ducasse> thyriaen: the name of the icon is defined in the desktop file, typically
[16:08] <thyriaen> yes
[16:08] <thyriaen> in my case its "skypeforlinux
[16:09] <ducasse> thyriaen: so for vlc, you get whatever vlc.png your icon theme has.
[16:09] <thyriaen> and the theme changes that vlc.png to whatever it likes ?
[16:10] <ducasse> thyriaen: each theme has its own vlc.png
[16:10] <thyriaen> ah okey
[16:10] <thyriaen> that makes sense
[16:11] <ducasse> thyriaen: or they fall back to another theme for icons it doesn't have.
[16:11] <thyriaen> can i see those *.png files of my theme somewhere ?
[16:11] <ducasse> thyriaen: /usr/share/icons/
[16:12] <honey_1> i am using ubuntu 16.04 and i was trying to install torch software the instaltion is already   done but when i reboot ther is somthing message "bash: /home/yyy/torch/install/bin/torch-activate: No such file or directory" i cheked in ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc and finally  source ~/torch/install/bin/torch-activate but still there is error some one help
[16:12] <thyriaen> okey i think i can fix the thing i want now
[16:12] <thyriaen> one more thing though
[16:13] <thyriaen> what about the icons in the notification area
[16:13] <thyriaen> those little button things not really sure what they are called
[16:14] <krypto_> honey_1: it sounds like you torched your ~/torch directory ;)
[16:14] <krypto_> are you asking about the error or that you can't get torch to run?
[16:15] <honey_1> krypto_: i am asking to fix the error and to run  torch
[16:16] <krypto_> do you know which directory you installed it in?
[16:16] <krypto_> im thinking you followed the site instructions but used a different directory?
[16:17] <thyriaen> ducasse, the same theme contains those icons
[16:18] <Guest24793> Can i use Ubuntu in german Language withoud installing it?
[16:18] <honey_1> krypto_: i installed  in my home directory and i followed this  site  http://torch.ch/docs/getting-started.html
[16:20] <pezdispenser> Hello, I'm having a problem I cannot seem to fix,   my Acer laptop NOW says just after I updated ubuntu,   "security boot fail" after I turn it on,
[16:20] <pezdispenser> I've tried several options, to fix, I cannot resolve this
[16:20] <krypto_> hmm, if you type ls -al ~/torch do you see it?
[16:20] <oerheks> Guest24793, you can try to add german as language, no,  you would need to update, which can be problematic with a lot of packages. there is a german iso 16.10 .. http://ubuntu.de.uptodown.com/ubuntu
[16:22] <pezdispenser> just after I updated ubuntu,   "security boot fail" after I turn it on,   I've tried changing the secure boot files,   there is no option in my bios to switch from uefi to legacy either,
[16:22] <honey_1> krypto_: yes i can see it
[16:22] <Guest24793> OK, i'll try it, if that ISO has also Orca Screenreader installed.
[16:23] <krypto_> honey_1: ok type in ls -al ~/torch/install/bin/torch-activate
[16:24] <Guest24793> But is this Website secure?
[16:25] <honey_1> krypto_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381242/
[16:27] <ThetaOrionis> Hey guys, so I got this Dell Inspiron 14z ultrabook recently, and installed Ubuntu Mate 16.10. Problem is, it's really overheating, the portion between the keyboard and the screen. And battery is draining pretty fast too. :(
[16:28] <ThetaOrionis> tlp and thermald are running normally, and I've got no additional driver to install. Brazilian forums mention some AMD Catalyst driver to be added, but I guess mine doesn't have the optional radeon GPU
[16:28] <oerheks> Guest24793, it is the community editon, you might better ask in #ubuntu-de
[16:29] <krypto_> honey_1: hmm, so ~/torch exists but that file doesn't, try cd'ing into ~/torch and see if there is a bin/torch-activate somewhere
[16:31] <honey_1> krypto_: there is no such file
[16:33] <honey_1> krypto_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381263/
[16:35] <thyriaen> where can i find the status icons of the applications ? and how can i change the icons used ?
[16:35] <krypto_> honey_1: i think i see what happened
[16:35] <krypto_> honey_1: check out https://github.com/jcjohnson/neural-style/issues/189
[16:36] <immu> ok to install gnome3 when your distro is Unity.
[16:36] <krypto_> honey_1: i think the install failed, and you added that line inadvertently to your profile
[16:38] <honey_1> krypto_: ok it might be the case i was trying many options so what is the solution now?
[16:38] <immu> ok to install gnome3 when your distro is Unity.
[16:39] <krypto_> i would start fresh again, wipe your ~/torch folder and refollow the instructions, make sure build doesn't fail
[16:40] <ducasse> immu: yes, should be fine.
[16:40] <immu> ducasse: i had asked earlier also,remember?
[16:40] <ducasse> immu: yes, which is why i don't see why you're asking again...
[16:41] <honey_1> krypto_: ok  let me try that one again  so in this case i will do "rm -rf ~/torch"
[16:42] <ZenMasta> I need to perform a task through ssh on our website that takes about an hour, however my host automatically times my session out I think after about to minutes. In order to get around this I have been using Screen, and manually switching back to the screen every few minutes. As you can imagine this is tedious and if you're busy with something else, easy to miss - is there anyway that I can run a script that would do that automatic
[16:43] <immu> any how to for it ducasse ?
[16:43] <ZenMasta> using putty but server is on ubunty
[16:43] <oerheks> immu just install the gnome desktop in your softwarecenter, and logout/switch/login
[16:44] <ducasse> immu: 'apt install gnome-shell', i think
[16:44] <kallesbar> Hi, kubuntu 17.04 clean installation stops initramfs prompt, then I tried latest LTS version 16.04 .2 same issue. BTW I am using vmware
[16:44] <oerheks> ZenMasta, there is a timout number in your ssh service ( on the server)
[16:44] <oerheks> !ssh
[16:44] <krypto_> honey_1: that should be safe, if you wanna super-safe do a mv ~/torch ~/torch-old
[16:45] <ZenMasta> oerheks I've contacted the host they dont allow changing the timeout
[16:45] <oerheks> ZenMasta, then stay alert.
[16:46] <honey_1> krypto_: i did that but finally i have get problem at the end http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381340/   when i open teh link it works but theer is fatal error  to get https://github.com/clementfarabet/lua---nnx.git/
[16:49] <krypto_> honey_1: oh thats interesting.. i was able to run the git clone command with no problem, can you try again?
[16:51] <shadygoose> hi. when I boot up ubuntu, I get multiple "System program problem detected" dialog boxes. Any solutions?
[16:51] <jpmh> I use rsync to backup my server and am very happy with it as a mirror copy.  What do your suggest as an incremental copy product, so I can get back to time points
[16:52] <amosbird> hi
[16:52] <Southern_Gentlem> jpmh, backintime ?
[16:52] <amosbird> how can I make my mouse 5 times faster
[16:52] <amosbird> it's using libinput interface and I can only manage 200%
[16:53] <krypto_> shadygoose: on your machine, open the Startup Applications app and maybe one-by-one check out which ones are failing
[16:53] <setuid> Something very fishy with the way preseed handles file based preseed files
[16:53] <jpmh> Southern_Gentlem: is that an open source product?
[16:53] <setuid> ...in that, it doesn't work at all
[16:53] <Southern_Gentlem> jpmh, yes
[16:53] <jpmh> Southern_Gentlem: and will it back up over ssh
[16:53] <Southern_Gentlem> that is for you to figure out :)
[16:54] <shadygoose> krypto" there's only one under additional startup items. "SSH Key Agent"
[16:54] <jpmh> Southern_Gentlem: ty so much heading to look at it right now
[16:54] <krypto_> ok then they are probably being started through some other way. tough for us to troubleshoot this one, we'd have to know specifics
[16:55] <ducasse> jpmh: also rsnapshot
[16:55] <shadygoose> krypto: is there a way I could give you more info? like a log file? newb here.
[16:55] <jpmh> ducasse: I'll look at that too - ty
[16:56] <krypto_> sure maybe take a screenshot of what the desktop looks like when it first boots and put it on imgur?
[16:56] <shadygoose> krypto: ok. hold on.
[16:58] <shadygoose> krypto: here you go https://unsee.cc/gibemasu/
[16:59] <krypto_> ok and can you take one after Report Problem also
[16:59] <shadygoose> krypto: clicking on both the boxes?
[17:00] <krypto_> im not sure if they're for the same error, but ideally both yeah
[17:01] <shadygoose> krypto: I got an error log, after clicking the first one, the second one went away. should I paste the log here?
[17:02] <honey_1> krypto_: yesterday it works fine but this problem is happning after i remove torch folder and  clone again but before it works fine now  is showme another error http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381467/
[17:02] <mhg> I have a problem on installing latest Ubuntu Sever, it made bootable from UNetbootin, but on configuration of partition, it has problem. any help?
[17:03] <krypto_> shadygoose: type pastebinit in the terminal, paste the log, and then CTRL+D and share the link
[17:03] <oerheks> mhg, unetbootin is know for making issues, did you check the iso from usb?
[17:03] <traxus> Krypto: Brainwash: Thanks for the assist! Vulkan is working!
[17:04] <mhg> oerheks: no, i didn't. How?
[17:04] <shadygoose> krypto: I couldn't copy the stuff but here's a screenshot https://unsee.cc/betadomu/
[17:04] <immu> ducasse: ubuntu software - no gnome present in it?
[17:04] <krypto_> honey_1: so just to confirm, you re-ran the git clone command and it failed on that same spot?
[17:05] <oerheks> mhg, when you boot the usb, there is an option in the 1st menu
[17:05] <honey_1> krypto_: yes
[17:05] <oerheks> "check disc for defects"
[17:06] <krypto_> traxus: Nice!
[17:06] <krypto_> shadygoose: hmm, no idea why snapd-login is failing there
[17:06] <krypto_> one sec
[17:06] <shadygoose> krypto: take your time,
[17:07] <krypto_> honey_1: it may be github rate limiting you? i was able to clone no problem
[17:08] <Camron> hello all have a question about making you ubuntu system forward to ssl either if you use https or not
[17:10] <krypto_> shadygoose, all your packages are up-to-date? if it's not affecting you minus the annoyance of seeing the error, i'd report the problem and just keep an eye on it for now
[17:10] <shadygoose> krypto: ok. I shall do that. thanks Captain.
[17:11] <krypto_> anytime man
[17:11] <krypto_> Camron: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381569/
[17:11] <krypto_> well that's assuming you're running nginx
[17:11] <krypto_> but you get the idea.. that'll send http://localhost to https://localhost
[17:13] <Camron> im not running nginx
[17:15] <mallory__> greetings
[17:18] <Camron> its there a way to use letsencrypt to do this
[17:20] <ppf> Camron: that's something your server can do
[17:20] <ppf> both apache and nginx
[17:20] <Camron> using apache
[17:23] <aalzehla> hi there
[17:25] <latino31> i see ubuntu 17.04  is available...theorectially whats the chances of my computer crashes on upgrade ....how important is a backup lol
[17:26] <kallesbar> Can anyone help me to get forward if clean installation stops initramfs prompt_
[17:28] <oerheks> latino31, if you don't have a backup, your data is unimportant.
[17:28] <krypto_> latino31: we usually ask for advice when we already know the answer ;)
[17:29] <krypto_> if you're happy with your system, i'd stay put (assuming LTS 16.04)
[17:29] <latino31> its important because my ubuntu crashed about 4 weeks and the backup i had was crap because the encryption emfs (crap) would not unlock even with correct passwords so it took days to get some stuff back
[17:30] <latino31> krypto_, i have 16.10 :)
[17:30] <krypto_> in that case, i say go for 17.04.. just revert any PPAs to avoid any problems
[17:31] <krypto_> (assuming you did your backups)
[17:31] <ThetaOrionis1> hello
[17:32] <allrightyyyyy> eyh :)
[17:32] <allrightyyyyy> i have trouble opening the ubuntu software
[17:32] <latino31> krypto_, are there any good image backup that don't require pc shutdown?
[17:32] <allrightyyyyy> it just loads then closes
[17:33] <latino31> krypto_, the only ppa i have is i2p will that be automatically handled?
[17:33] <tapanik> command line task little new for me
[17:33] <tapanik> ms-dos based life
[17:33] <tapanik> ms-dos commands remember :D
[17:34] <tapanik> C64 cant remember
[17:34] <tapanik> i have used 80's
[17:34] <oerheks> tapanik, do you have an ubuntu support question? and please easy on the enter
[17:34] <krypto_> latino31, yeah that should be fine. it'll likely be a smooth upgrade, and nothing that can't be fixed otherwise
[17:35] <krypto_> allrightyyyyy: hmm, try opening up a terminal and running gnome-software - any errors show up?
[17:36] <oerheks> allrightyyyyy, install synaptic, much more detailed softwarecenter. but to fix ubuntu software, delete ~/.cache/gnome-software perhaps fixes things
[17:37] <Eightynine> While switching between tty, desktop and plymouth I found a cause of long boot. The problem is that it's checking some device with certain uuid. Probably it's swap partition I removed. How can I edit fstab and create swap file?
[17:38] <genii> !swap | Eightynine
[17:39] <Eightynine> Why did you wrote me that? I know what is swap.
[17:40] <oerheks> Eightynine, how did you remove swap?
[17:41] <Eightynine> I used Gnome disk utility and removed it from there.
[17:41] <oerheks> the url from ubottu is helpfull, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_do_I_add_or_modify_a_swap_partition.3F
[17:41] <Lavinho> godd afternoon
[17:42] <Lavinho> how to put on rtl8723bs ubuntu 17.04 =
[17:42] <Lavinho> ?
[17:43] <Lavinho> no compile drivers
[17:44] <Eightynine> How do you think what is better to use Firefox or Chromium or maybe Chrome? Is Opera usable?
[17:45] <oerheks> Eightynine, try them all 4 yourself and choose what you like best? i use chrome for all things.
[17:46] <hackel> Does anyone know a way to get a list of all origins (ppas in particular) that the installed packages on my system come from?  I've been trying to figure out how to coax grep-dctrl to do it without success.
[17:46] <zaapiel> how do i turn off ssh server?
[17:46] <Eightynine> I'm currently using Chromium and don't like it at all. And what is your opinion on KDE?
[17:46] <hackel> zaapiel: `service ssh stop` (same with any other service)
[17:47] <oerheks> hackel,  all added ppa's are shown in your sources, or /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[17:48] <hackel> Eightynine: I use 80% Firefox (Developer edition), 20% Chromium.  Use whichever one you like best.  Just stick to open source.  (No Chrome or Opera!)
[17:48] <oerheks> Eightynine, polling is useless, you would get 1852 answers..
[17:48] <Eightynine> Can I convert my ext4 partition to xfs? Is it worth it?
[17:48] <hackel> oerheks: Yes, I'm aware, but I'm looking for a list based on what is currently installed.  Sources can be added or removed without actually affecting the installed packages.
[17:50] <oerheks> hackel, if you removes the ppa entry, no way telling
[17:50] <oerheks> apt-cache policy would show them normally too.
[17:51] <tomreyn> Eightynine: (1) no. (2) why would you want to?
[17:51] <Eightynine> Just asking. What if I just create that swap partition on empty space will that fix that problem?
[17:52] <tomreyn> Eightynine: what is "the problem"?
[17:52] <hackel> oerheks: Ahh, of course I just remembered that Origin is only an apt field, not dpkg.  Oh well, thanks.
[17:52] <tomreyn> i did not follow the chat
[17:53] <lo_> bonjour
[17:53] <lo_> quelqu'un s'y connait en informatique ?
[17:53] <tomreyn> 'lo lo_
[17:53] <oerheks> Eightynine, maybe, follow the guide.
[17:53] <tomreyn> !fr | lo_
[17:56] <tirtones> hi  gys
[17:56] <tirtones> i fu u m a d f
[17:56] <Lavinho> help me
[17:56] <tirtones> wats h
[17:56] <Lavinho> rtl8723bs ubuntu 17.04 not working
[17:57] <tirtones> oh my god
[17:57] <tirtones> wery big  problem
[17:57] <tirtones> wweeeerrryyyy
[17:57] <tirtones> very
[17:57] <tirtones> w
[17:58] <oerheks> Lavinho, why is it not working? no driver available in the driver tool ?
[17:58] <nicomachus> clearly...
[17:58] <nacc> tirtones: please stop. if you have an issue, in one line state it
[17:58] <Lavinho> no
[17:58] <tirtones> ok(
[17:58] <FireBeyond> Trying to install Ubuntu 17. Brand new fresh install, cannot update. "Following signatures were invalid: BADSIG ... ". Even after doing an apt-key add, etc
[17:58] <nacc> FireBeyond: please provide the full output in a pastebin
[17:58] <kallesbar> Can anyone help me to get forward if clean installation stops initramfs prompt
[17:58] <nacc> !pastebing | FireBeyond
[17:58] <Lavinho> oerheks: driver not compile
[17:58] <nacc> !pastebin | FireBeyond
[17:59] <tirtones> i want to crack google db
[17:59] <FireBeyond> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381788/
[17:59] <nacc> !ot | tirtones
[18:01] <nicomachus> !guidelines > tirtones
[18:02] <oerheks> Lavinho, maybe this answer works for you too https://communities.intel.com/message/309488#309488
[18:02] <oerheks> Lavinho, but you would need to recompile after any kernel update
[18:02] <Lavinho> thanks
[18:03] <FireBeyond> Bleh. Frustrating. Cannot install anything.
[18:03] <tirtones> russkie yest&
[18:05] <Eightynine> Is that possible to resize my system partition?
[18:05] <ioria> FireBeyond, can you paste /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[18:05] <Lavinho> oerheks: error
[18:05] <Epx998> anyone set up pxe with the livecd?
[18:05] <oerheks> FireBeyond, maybe this command is any help; remove lists and pdate again > sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[18:05] <FireBeyond> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381885/
[18:06] <tms> hello
[18:06] <tirtones> im russian hacker
[18:06] <oerheks> tirtones, hacking is beyond the scope of this channel ..
[18:06] <tms> he didn't say a hacker
[18:07] <ioria> FireBeyond, don't need to be root, btw
[18:07] <digitalfiz> especially shotty russian hacking :P
[18:07] <flavors> hello
[18:07] <FireBeyond> Yeah, true. No joy with rm'ing /var/lib/apt/lists though
[18:08] <krypto_> FireBeyond: how about this thread: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1877/what-is-the-easiest-way-to-resolve-apt-get-badsig-gpg-errors
[18:08] <tirtones> can i ask something?
[18:09] <tms> you just did
[18:09] <ioria> FireBeyond,  backup that file, and try with this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24381905/
[18:11] <FireBeyond> No joy with the link, trying new sources.list
[18:11] <FireBeyond> bleh. nope.
[18:11] <FireBeyond> going to try the nuclear option. sigh
[18:12] <ioria> FireBeyond,  you already did the sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com thing ?
[18:12] <krypto_> pftt.. giving up that easy? ;)
[18:12] <FireBeyond> Yeah. "1 processed, 1 unchanged"
[18:12] <FireBeyond> del'ed it and re-added it too
[18:13] <oerheks> FireBeyond, check your iso before reinstall
[18:13] <FireBeyond> good point
[18:14] <ioria> FireBeyond,  if you still have the media you can md5sum the iso
[18:14] <tirtones> help   me
[18:15] <oerheks> tirtones, ask your question, all in one line please.
[18:15] <oerheks> ( but not hacking)
[18:15] <tirtones> ohhhh
[18:17] <Jordan_U> tirtones: If your next message is not a productive Ubuntu support related question then you will be removed from the channel.
[18:18] <tirtones> ok ok im sorry
[18:19] <Epx998> Can someone help with pxe booting from the ubuntu live cd?
[18:19] <FireBeyond> Bah. All hail the reboot. :\
[18:20] <FireBeyond> Working after that
[18:20] <oerheks> FireBeyond, good luck, we'll see you soon
[18:20] <Jordan_U> FireBeyond: It was likely a transient issue with the mirror you were using.
[18:20] <ceegee> hi
[18:21] <Jordan_U> Epx998: What is your end goal? It's much easier to PXE boot the netboot/minimal installer if your end goal is to install Ubuntu.
[18:22] <Epx998> Jordan_U: Goal is to get all the drivers, netboot I am having an issue on some Dell hardware with the controller and network driver.  Works fine from the USB.  So I want to try deploying UB14 on PXE using the live CD.
[18:22] <ceegee> I am on Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS with i3wm. I use the nm-applet to manage openvpn connections. I configured a specific openvpn connection to ask for key password, but it doesnt
[18:22] <ceegee> any hints what could be wrong / missing?
[18:23] <Epx998> Jordan_U: the live cd fails at the cdrom detect, where it should be seeing the live CD
[18:26] <Jordan_U> Epx998: How are you preparing the Live image to be netbooted?
[18:26] <Jordan_U> Epx998: Do you have an NFS server providing the squashfs image?
[18:26] <Epx998> Jordan_U: I am mounting the iso in my fstab and nfs exporting the mount location
[18:28] <Epx998> Jordan_U: I point directly to the vmlinuz and initrd.gz file, then set my netboot=nfs and nfsroot pointed at the export location
[18:28] <kallesbar> Is there anyone that can help me go forward ubuntu installation it stops console prompt initramfs, please
[18:29] <Jordan_U> Epx998: Please pastebin your syslinux.cfg or grub.cfg so that I can confirm that the kernel parameters are being passed correctly.
[18:31] <Epx998> Jordan_U: semt
[18:31] <Bashing-om> kallesbar: The foundation is a known verified .iso file . Have you confirmed the .iso and also verified the copy to the install medium ?
[18:33] <kallesbar> it is kubuntu iso image 17.04 and I also tried latest LTS 16.04.2 same issue both
[18:33] <ash_workz> I think I need to roll back to an earlier release
[18:34] <ash_workz> how should I go about doing that?
[18:34] <oerheks> ash reinstall
[18:34] <Hulio> hi guys, is there a way to use windows RDP to remote to ubuntu?
[18:35] <kallesbar> Bashing-om:  All other ubuntu installation I have tried works just fine
[18:35] <Hulio> anyone
[18:35] <ioria> Hulio, rdesktop
[18:35] <ioria> !info rdesktop | Hulio
[18:36] <Hulio> ioria: so at my work, i can only use windows RDP(client) that came within all windows.
[18:36] <Hulio> ioria: at work i can't install any other software, but to use build-in client (RDP)
[18:36] <ioria> Hulio,  ha, you need a rxdp then
[18:37] <Hulio> ioria: is that something i need to install on ubuntu?
[18:37] <ioria> Hulio, yes, ubuntu will be the server ?
[18:37] <Hulio> yes
[18:37] <ioria> !info xrdp | Hulio
[18:37] <Hulio> ok i'll look into it
[18:37] <Hulio> thanks bro
[18:38] <Jordan_U> Epx998: That looks correct assuming that the paths and addresses are correct. Does "dmesg" print any useful error messages?
[18:38] <ioria> Hulio, http://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=8952
[18:38] <Epx998> Jordan_U: cdrom-detect '' a few times then errors on not being able to mount the cdrom
[18:41] <Jordan_U> Epx998: Sorry, I can't think of anything else to try.
[18:42] <Epx998> Jordan_U: Let me point to the netboot linux kernel instead of vmlinuz
[18:42] <Epx998> Jordan_U: maybe ill get lucky
[18:42] <Jordan_U> Epx998: I doubt that will help, but why not? :)
[18:42] <kallesbar> Bashing-om:  I am not trying install it from DVD. I trying install it vmware.
[18:44] <Jordan_U> kallesbar: Have you verified the sha256/md5sum of the iso? Are you passing the iso as a virtual DVD drive and have you selected Ubuntu 17.04 (or the lastest Ubuntu option VMware has) as the OS the guest should be expecting?
[18:45] <Jordan_U> kallesbar: Do you see any error messages before being droped to the initramfs shell? Does "journalctl" from the initramfs shell produce any helpful error messages? (I don't know if Ubuntu has journald in the initramfs yet or not).
[18:46] <kallesbar> Jordan_U:  yes it is virtual dvd, just open the iso file and vmware boots it. I have not veriied it
[18:46] <Jordan_U> kallesbar: Please do verify it.
[18:46] <kallesbar> Jordan_U:  no error messages
[18:47] <kallesbar> Jordan_U:  need to check also that vmware option
[18:55] <wadie> is ubuntu 17 LTS ?
[18:55] <ikonia> no
[18:55] <FinalX> no, 16.04 is
[18:55] <wadie> Then I'll stick with 16.04 for now
[18:55] <wadie> <3
[18:55] <FinalX> next will be.. 19.04? I think?
[18:55] <FinalX> eh 18
[18:56] <ikonia> 18.04
[18:56] <wadie> It'll just auto update when it is LTS
[18:56] <wadie> Any measurements I have to take ?
[18:56] <FinalX> very likely, 2 years is a big change usually
[18:56] <jjikn> using unity, why does date/time applet constantly crash on startup?
[18:57] <ikonia> measurements ?
[18:57] <wadie> FinalX understood my question, I guess you are smart enough to understand as well ikonia xD
[18:57] <ikonia> I don't understand it
[18:57] <ikonia> what are you talking about "measurements"
[18:58] <wadie> Other than a backup, do I need to make sure I have anything pre-installed or a specific version ?
[18:58] <wadie> That was an example of measurements
[18:59] <SpeccyMan> measures
[18:59] <wadie> *
[18:59] <ikonia> wadie: pre-installed for what ?
[18:59] <wadie> the update
[19:00] <wadie> 16 to 17
[19:00] <ikonia> wadie: oh no
[19:00] <jjikn> using vmplayer 6, ubbuntu 17.04 boots
[19:00] <ikonia> wadie: you need to make sure you don't have software on
[19:00] <ikonia> wadie: eg: no 3rd party software that could cause conflicts during hte upgrade
[19:00] <FinalX> wadie: usually an upgrade will go just fine when it hits, but some software stops existing, some software has its featureset changed, some config formats change.. you'll probably want to review them when the time comes.
[19:00] <wadie> Okay thanks
[19:01] <FinalX> also usually if you follow a non-LTS upgrade path it'll be more little things every upgrade, but if you skip from LTS to LTS, it's all those little changes all in one go
[19:01] <jjikn> what are the live user name/countersign?
[19:06] <jjikn> ^---
[19:08] <stevehope> jjikn there aren't preset login/passeord for live image, they are set at boot
[19:08] <jjikn> wut
[19:08] <jjikn> it has to have login, to login
[19:10] <jjikn> found it's "ubuntu" and pass word is blanc
[19:13] <ikonia> if the live user asks you for a login, there is something wrong with the image/boot
[19:13] <ikonia> it should auto login
[19:13] <Guest21759> any expert of maas here?
[19:13] <ikonia> I've used maas a few times
[19:13] <ikonia> far from an expert though as I found other tools provided a better workflow
[19:14] <Guest21759> I am facing issue while using maas 2.1.3
[19:14] <Guest21759> ikonia have you used maas2.1.3
[19:15] <ikonia> Guest21759: not sure on the versions off the top of my head, certainly recent versions
[19:15] <ikonia> why don't you just ask the question rather than who has used what versions
[19:16] <jjikn> i logged off to test
[19:16] <Guest21759> ok, I am facing issue while running conjure-up --bootstrap-to <hostname>
[19:16] <jjikn> turned out, old iso
[19:16] <Guest21759> iso is new ubuntu
[19:16] <Guest21759> lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS Release:        16.04 Codename:       xenial rvtadmin@u16:~$
[19:17] <ikonia> whats the problem ?
[19:17] <Guest21759> conjure-up --bootstrap-to <hostname>
[19:18] <Guest21759> not able to  Juju failed to bootstrap: maas
[19:18] <Guest21759>  Juju failed to bootstrap: maas
[19:18] <ikonia> Guest21759: ok, so the call to juju is failing, what do the logs say
[19:18] <jjikn> 16.04.3 is new
[19:19] <Guest21759>  conjure-up/_unspecified_spell: Showing dialog for exception: Juju failed to bootstrap: maas
[19:19] <ikonia> Guest21759: what does the juju logs shows
[19:19] <ikonia> show
[19:20] <ikonia> look at the individual components, rather than maas
[19:20] <Guest21759> there is no juju logs in building latest conjure-up
[19:20] <Guest21759> now it has only said logs
[19:21] <Guest21759> 23:53:57 DEBUG cmd supercommand.go:459 (error details: [{github.com/juju/juju/cmd/juju/commands/bootstrap.go:574: failed to bootstrap model} {github.com/juju/juju/provider/common/bootstrap.go:179: cannot start bootstrap instance} {github.com/juju/juju/provider/maas/environ.go:950: cannot run instances} {github.com/juju/juju/provider/maas/environ.go:1310: cannot run instance} {github.com/juju/juju/provider/maas/environ.go:751: } {
[19:21] <kallesbar> Jordan_U:  Hash are same as ubuntu torrent web site. I also run sha256sum for the file, but actually not know if it ok. Cannot remember when last checked those
[19:26] <kallesbar> Jordan_U:  initramfs do not have journald, so is not possible get more info on that way
[19:29] <kallesbar> Jordan_U:  I could not spotted the option you mention on vmware workstation pro version 12.5.5. Not sure if it is there
[19:33] <Eightynine> How can I add sound applet on MATE panel?
[19:34] <toshiba_leather> 中
[19:36] <YankDownUnder> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/sound-indicator-missing-in-ubuntu-mate-16-04/4744
[19:38] <Eightynine> That guy who gave me a link about swap helped me, thank you if you're here.
[19:39] <YankDownUnder> Eightynine: Check the link I just posted.
[19:39] <Eightynine> I checked already. Thank you.
[19:40] <ash_workz> if I purge php5 will that get rid of the php5 ini conf file?
[19:41] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Possibly, but do NOT assume.
[19:50] <c0mrade> Anyone can volunteer helping in setting a complex web app on an ubuntu server, it's 90% done just publishing it seems to give me some trouble... I can provide remote access :P
[19:50] <ash_workz> shouldn't add-apt-repository take like 2 seconds?
[19:50] <ash_workz> why is it taking forever? -_-
[19:50] <latino31> i upgraded to 17.04 a few mins ago ..went well.. i see some references still to ubuntu 16.10 like official supported non free drivers in software and updates should i edit those to 17.10 or delete them?
[19:51] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: It might be servers/network traffic/site traffic. Patience.
[19:51]  * ash_workz tries to chill out
[19:51] <ikonia> c0mrade: just explain the problem,
[19:52] <ikonia> c0mrade: people will help if they can
[19:52] <c0mrade> ikonia: It's not that simple...
[19:52] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Just asking - did you try to ping/view the repo server you're trying to add?
[19:52] <c0mrade> It's a project of installing a complex webapp and I am trying to deploy it on an amazon ubuntu ec2 instance.
[19:52] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: no =·
[19:52] <ikonia> c0mrade: ok, so explain the problem
[19:53] <c0mrade> Really there's a lot to it.
[19:53] <cristian_c> hello, sorry, I'd like to know how to configure lirc with media players, for example mplayer
[19:53] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: how do you do thaqt?
[19:53] <c0mrade> It's much easier to do it via teamviewer.
[19:53] <ash_workz> -q
[19:53] <cristian_c> I've tried to read the doc, but I've n0
[19:53] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: What's the repo?
[19:53] <ash_workz> ppa:ondrej/php
[19:53] <cristian_c> I've tried to read the doc, but I've not got figured out how t0 achieve this task
[19:54] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[19:54] <ikonia> c0mrade: not really acceptable
[19:54] <ikonia> c0mrade: you'd be better to write a summary and post it in a pastebin
[19:54] <wedgie> or on the forums
[19:54] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: I just added it - to test (going to delete it) - but it took like seconds, mate.
[19:55] <c0mrade> The thing is that also I tried a lot of stuff, I'll have to mention every single thing that I've done so that you won't offer a solution that I already tried.
[19:55] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: yeah, so wth then? :(
[19:55] <ikonia> c0mrade: if you won't explain the problem, don't bother asking for help, as it's impossible to help with zero information
[19:55] <c0mrade> Login to my system and have a better look.
[19:56] <cristian_c> c0mrade: you could summarize / make a recap
[19:56] <ikonia> no thanks
[19:56] <ikonia> explain the problem
[19:56] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: I'd check your DNS -> could be that you're getting "bounced around" - or you could even restart your networking and see if that helps...either which, I got it quite quickly...something to think about...
[19:56] <latino31> no one wants to tackle my question its a easy one :)
[19:57] <oerheks> c0mrade, start with what "webapp"
[19:57] <ash_workz> >.<
[19:57] <c0mrade> https://github.com/ornicar/lila
[19:57] <ikonia> c0mrade: what is that
 i upgraded to 17.04 a few mins ago ..went well.. i see some references still to ubuntu 16.10 like official supported non free drivers in software and updates should i edit those to 17.10 or delete them?
[19:57] <latino31> i meant to yaketty yak
[19:57] <ash_workz> internet has been going horribly slow too
[19:58] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Could be your issue, bro.
[19:58] <c0mrade> ikonia: You can check here: https://github.com/ornicar/lila
[19:58] <ikonia> c0mrade: check what ?
[19:58] <ikonia> thats just a chess game
[19:58] <c0mrade> A chess game?
[19:58] <c0mrade> What do you mean it's a chess game...
[19:59]  * cristian_c troll alert
[19:59] <ikonia> the webpage you've just posted says this
[19:59] <ikonia> Lila (li[chess in sca]la) is a free online chess game server focused on realtime gameplay and ease of use.
[19:59] <ikonia> so yes, a "chess game"
[20:00] <c0mrade> Okay continue with the second paragraph and let's see if it's "just" a chess game.
[20:00] <ikonia> no
[20:00] <ikonia> as that doesn't explain your problem
[20:00] <ikonia> it's just a link to an git hub page
[20:00] <ikonia> explain your problem clearly please, or stop requesting help
[20:00] <c0mrade> Let's see, it includes mongodb, nodejs,It features a search engine, computer analysis distributed with fishnet, tournaments, simuls, forums, teams, tactic trainer, a mobile app, and a shared analysis board.
[20:01] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: when you say restart your networking, you mean on my local linux machine?
[20:01] <c0mrade> Lichess is written in Scala 2.11, and relies on Play 2.4 for the routing, templating, and JSON. Pure chess logic is contained in scalachess submodule.
[20:01] <ikonia> c0mrade: so yes, a chess game
[20:01] <c0mrade> The codebase is fully asynchronous, making heavy use of Scala Futures and Akka 2 actors. Lichess talks to Stockfish deployed in an AI cluster of donated servers. It uses MongoDB 3.2 to store more than 350 million games, which are indexed by elasticsearch.
[20:01] <ikonia> c0mrade: yes, a chess game
[20:01] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Without knowing what you're doing, I can't actually answer that.
[20:01] <latino31> anyone going to answer my question or just ignore it?
[20:01] <c0mrade> HTTP requests and websocket connections are proxied by nginx 1.8. Client-side is written in mithril.js. The blog uses a free open content plan from prismic.io.
[20:02] <ikonia> c0mrade: you don't need to type out the page
[20:02] <ikonia> c0mrade: it's a chess game, what's your problem that related to ubuntu
[20:02] <cristian_c> latino31: be patient :)
[20:02] <latino31> ;)
[20:03] <oerheks> latino31, what do you mean with "free drivers in software and updates should i edit those to 17.10 or delete them?"
[20:03] <ikonia> 17.10 doesn't exist
[20:03] <latino31> 17.04
[20:04] <latino31> software and updates still have references to ubuntu 16.10
[20:04] <oerheks> latino31, so you want to use old drivers, are they not available in 17.04/drivers ?
[20:05] <latino31> no should i edit them...
[20:05] <latino31> for 17.04
[20:05] <gausus> re
[20:05] <gausus> is anyone using tplink t1u wifi usb card?
[20:05] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: I upgraded a remote server to 16.04; apparently php5 is not supported, I tried patching the app, but the complexity of the depricated code goes too deep; right now I just need something working so I figured I'd look outside official repos for a php5 version that works on 16.04
[20:05] <latino31> community maintained is another one referencing ubuntu 16.10
[20:06] <oerheks> ash_workz, 16.04 comes with php7
[20:06] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: so I tried to add that ppa and . . . . . . . 5 minutes of "waiting for that to finish" later, I came here
[20:06] <ash_workz> oerheks: but the application doesn't work on 7
[20:06] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: So then the question would be IS your "connection" to the server strong/healthy => as if you're doing the "repo" on the server and it's taking forever...hmm?
[20:06] <ash_workz> oerheks: I'm not saying it's right, I just need it to be working atm
[20:08] <oerheks> latino31, what driver exactly? using drivers from an older version is not a good idea, usually.
[20:08] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: fwiw, the server seems to be having issues doing anything outside the network... I mean, I can connect to it just fine; but I had an idea to use docker to just run 14.04 in there, but it took forever just to `docker pull hello` ... and by forever, I mean I inevitably used ^C
[20:09] <latino31> i should delete the section that says ubuntu 16.10 community mainted and the other ones referencing ubuntu 16.10..there are still sections there but they are unchecked..
[20:09] <latino31> ?
[20:09] <latino31> oerheks,
[20:09] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: that said, ubuntu repos work fine
[20:09] <oerheks> latino31, i have no idea what you are seeing, if you added a 16.10 ppa, remove it
[20:10] <oerheks> latino31, else make a screenshot what you see, and post it on imgur.com
[20:10] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Ah...hmm...so methinks that it would be a better thing to actually BE at the "server"...unless you're confident in doing a "remote restart" of it - and then being able to re-gain access...and as it's a "remote" - could there be issues with the hardware on the network THERE...hmm...or saturation of the localised network where that server is sitting...
[20:11] <latino31> oerheks, official supported non free drivers and the community maintained section...i dont think they are considered ppa's.. there are built in to ubuntu itself..i know you have had to have seen them before
[20:11] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: yeah; the answers are, I can't be "there", I am not confident in regaining access and shoot me in the face plz
[20:12] <oerheks> latino31, yes i know the menu, but not 16.10 versions in 17.04 ..
[20:12] <oerheks> latino31, screenshot please?
[20:13] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: I don't have to "bash" ya - yer doing it to yerself (which is the worst kind, really) - huge face palm...EITHER WHICH, I'd personally start writing out a list of priorities...and then work them that way (Plan the work, work the plan - and have a "back out" plan)
[20:13] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: are there at least things I can do from here to diagnose what the issue could be?
[20:15] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Since the "adding of the ppa" isn't working, kill that process. That's first. Secondly, I'd be "pinging" things from that server to see exactly what's up - doing traceroutes and the likes...like to other machines on that "local" network...and after that, doing traceroutes to the "outside world" to see where "hangs" are...know what I mean jellybean?
[20:18] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: yeah... I'll do what I can
[20:19] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: What DNS servers is the machine using? Just wondering...it might be a good idea to set the "Google DNS" - that is, IF it's not going against corporate policy and procedure...
[20:23] <ppf> ash_workz: what's the problem?
[20:23] <ash_workz> ppf somethings are taking forever to pull
[20:23] <ash_workz> ppf: on a remote server
[20:26] <ppf> pull meaning what?
[20:27] <YankDownUnder> ppf: The remote server he's working on - he's trying to add a ppa, but it's hanging. As well, the network that the remote server is sitting on is flaky and slow.
[20:27] <latino31> i think i see something that needs to be fixed for 17.04...in software and updates section..and where it says ubuntu software and you can check those sections like community maninted and free and open source software...even after deleting the sections that reference yaketty yak in the other software...when I uncheck and put back the settings it puts back boxes that refernce yaketty yak again
[20:27] <ikonia> latino31: log a bug
[20:29] <ppf> ash_workz: time to get a new hoster, maybe?
[20:30] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: I dunno if I'd say it's flaky
[20:30] <ash_workz> YankDownUnder: it is serving webpages, albeit slowly
[20:31] <Epx998> why the heck are there no current docs on pxe booting a live cd. buh.
[20:32] <banyantree> Hello.
[20:32] <banyantree> is somebody using mpd?
[20:33] <banyantree> i need some help with my mpd.comf > audio_output
[20:34] <latino31> what happened to the new terminal button in 17.04?
[20:35] <Cust0sLimen> flooz
[20:35] <Cust0sLimen> how do I make a USB that is persistent ?
[20:35] <oerheks> latino31, nothing, it is still the same
[20:36] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: IMHO, slow is flaky. Shaky is flaky. Intermittent is flaky. Not working proper = flaky. Living in Texas = flaky. IMHO... :)
[20:36] <latino31> oerheks, im right clicking and dont see it...but maybe after a reboot it will come back dunno
[20:36] <ppf> ash_workz: it's the 21st century, life's too short for a bad internet connection
[20:36] <ppf> get a new hoster ;)
[20:37] <latino31> anyone here upgraded to 17.04?
[20:38] <stevehope> Me, although I've used it a few days longer as i was helping to test the iso
[20:38] <latino31> stevehope, right click the terminal button do you see new terminal?
[20:39] <latino31> i have it locked to my sidebar
[20:40] <oerheks> right click the terminal does not give a 2nd terminal, just open a new tab in current terminal or top panel > terminal > new terminal
[20:40] <stevehope> if its docked to your right side toolbar you need to left click it to open
[20:41] <latino31> well its my left side bar.. and I know how to open it i use the terminal a lot but i dont see new terminal...
[20:41] <latino31> stevehope, do you see new terminal?
[20:41] <oerheks> latino31, ctrl alt T opens a new terminal too
[20:42] <stevehope> oh you mean tabbed terminals, it's the default, the tabs are separate instances if thats what youre asking
[20:42] <latino31> yes i can open a new terminal another way oerheks but i dont see the new terminal tab where it used to be ...
[20:42] <banyantree> win+enter opens in i3
[20:42] <latino31> stevehope, when i right click the locked terminal button there was a section called new terminal
[20:43] <latino31> stevehope, where you can right click the terminal icon and see quit, unlock from launcher etc
[20:43] <stevehope> Yes, as thats a shortcut link to open terminal, its not always on
[20:43] <latino31> stevehope, sorry im not sure of the correct terminology :) thanks ... is there a way to flip that back on
[20:43] <stevehope> OR if terminal is started it will put terminal on top of other windows
[20:44] <latino31> stevehope, do you have items to locked to your side bar?
[20:44] <oerheks> latino31, so it is gone
[20:44] <stevehope> you could add it to your startup tasks if you want an open terminal on desktop at login
[20:44] <latino31> stevehope, or locked to launcher?
[20:45] <oerheks> latino31, found it: press mousewheel on the icon on your unity panel
[20:45] <latino31> stevehope, start up terminal,,,right click the icon and check lock to launcher
[20:46] <stevehope> be back in a min i will
[20:46] <latino31> whats the mousewheel again lol
[20:47] <oerheks> latino31, if you have no mouse scroll wheel, there are many ways to open a new terminl, get used to it
[20:48] <latino31> this is the first i have heard of mouse scroll wheel ...but i had new terminal on 16.04..by righ clicking the icon on the launcher left side bar
[20:48] <stevehope> you could also assign a hot-key or macro to it
[20:48] <latino31> i mean 16.10
[20:48] <oerheks> hotkey exist for years now, ctrl alt t
[20:48] <latino31> i know how to launch a new terminal i was pointing out that its not there like it was on 16.10
[20:49] <banyantree> is somebody using i3?
[20:49] <stevehope> to add terminal to the luanch bar... click the top button to open search, type terminal, click or enter
[20:49] <ppf> banyantree: many people are
[20:49] <latino31> stevehope, i already have terminal on the launch bar
[20:49] <latino31> but before right clicking it on the launch bar gave the new terminal option
[20:49] <banyantree> ppf: i mean in here =)
[20:49] <stevehope> the on the control bar check set to luancher ill have to look up wording
[20:49] <ppf> yes, that too :)
[20:50] <oerheks> latino31, so it is gone (lol)
[20:50] <latino31> yes
[20:50] <latino31> it seems
[20:50] <ppf> (not me though, i'm using awesomewm)
[20:50] <stevehope> you can add it to the sidebar same as any app
[20:50] <banyantree> i still need help with polybar
[20:50] <latino31> stevehope, run terminal, right click the icon ...select lock to launcher....then right click the terminal icon on the sidebar and see if you see "new terminal"
[20:55] <latino31> oerheks, look at this https://askubuntu.com/questions/35488/what-custom-launchers-and-unity-quicklists-are-available/39532#39532... look at section 33 about the terminal... there is no longer new window or new terminal there like on the screen shot... stevehope you can look too if you want...
[20:56] <qis> How can I fix randomly not working mouse clicks?
[20:56] <qis> Actually, most of the time not working and randomly working for a few seconds.
[20:56] <ppf> qis: clean your mouse
[20:56] <qis> Movement is fine.
[20:56] <ppf> and/or try another one ;)
[20:56] <qis> ppf: It works fine on Windows 10 and FreeBSD. It's clean.
[20:57] <qis> Oh, just noticed that selecting a specific acceleration with a mouse button lets me use it. Not sure for how long.
[20:57] <YankDownUnder> qis: Wireless?
[20:58] <qis> YankDownUnder: No, it's a R.A.T.7
[20:58] <YankDownUnder> qis: I'll pretend I know what that is, eh?
[20:59] <qis> YankDownUnder: gaming mouse http://techreport.com/r.x/cyborg-rat7/personal.jpg
[20:59] <phelix> I can not for the life of me figure out why build-dep is not an available package.
[20:59] <phelix> I have reinstalled my sources.list file multiple times and ran apt-get update and it still says that package doesn't exist
[21:01] <ppf> phelix: that's not an existing package
[21:01] <phelix> i just realized lol
[21:01] <phelix> i need to remove the install from the apt-get
[21:01] <phelix> geezz
[21:01] <ppf> remove the what?
[21:02] <ppf> what is it you want to do exactly?
[21:02] <phelix> i was trying to use it with apt-get install
[21:02] <YankDownUnder> Do you mean "build-essential" - instead of "build-dep"?
[21:02] <phelix> build-dep an image
[21:02] <phelix> yes
[21:02] <pixel> hi
[21:02] <phelix> i figured out what i was doing
[21:02] <ppf> build-dep an image?
[21:02] <ppf> you aren't making sense :)
[21:03] <phelix> linux-image-$(uname -r)
[21:03] <qis> Nope, still randomly stops recognizing clicks.
[21:03] <Guest75853> How do I change Window Title Bar transparency in Gnome?
[21:03] <ppf> phelix: full sentences please :)
[21:04] <ppf> what is it you want to do?
[21:05] <ash_workz> is mod_php basically the way php is installed when you run `apt-get install php...` on ubuntu? (rather than fcgi_php for example)
[21:06] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Not sure - have you looked through the Ubuntu dox on php?
[21:06] <Guest75853> How do I change Window Title Bar transparency in Gnome?
[21:07] <ppf> ash_workz: no
[21:07] <ppf> mod_php is the apache plugin for php
[21:07] <oerheks> Guest75853, gnome-tweak-tool maybe? i am not on gnome, can't look it up
[21:09] <ash_workz> ppf: okay, so what _does_ it do? I don't think that mod existed on the system prior to using `apt-get install` ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:09] <ppf> it's an apache plugin that allows apache to parse and translate php files
[21:11] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: Did you back this server up prior to your "upgrade"?
[21:11] <ppf> the php you install through apt is a meta package. it's possible that it also installs mod_php as well
[21:12] <ppf> !depends php
[21:13] <wafflejock> ash_workz, yup like ppf says php is a meta package points to the latest released PHP for the version of ubuntu on 16.04 points to "php7.0-fpm | libapache2-mod-php7.0 | php7.0-cgi, php7.0-common"
[21:13] <wafflejock> ash_workz, you can use apt-cache show packagename to get details, php says it uses 7.0 the 7.0 package has the list of dependencies I pasted here
[21:14] <ppf> the | means 'logical or' here
[21:14] <ppf> so you get one of the server php interpreters
[21:15] <qis> Could it be an ultrawide display problem that's causing mouse clicks not to register? Or rather, they do register but not by the window I click into.
[21:15] <ppf> i guess it goes left to right? meaning you'd get fpm through just installing oho
[21:15] <ppf> php
[21:17] <wafflejock> ash_workz, once you install a package you can use dpkg -L packagename to see the list of files the package installed as well, can be useful for finding config files or other stuff
[21:18] <ash_workz> wafflejock: yeah, that isn't really where my confusion lies
[21:18] <wafflejock> ppf, yeah not entirely sure might be that ash_workz is on a different version of ubuntu I didn't catch that part
[21:18] <oerheks> qis,  you told earlier that your mouse has " specific acceleration with a mouse button lets me use it. Not sure for how long." so it is your mouse, not a general ubuntu issue
[21:19] <ppf> ash_workz: what ubuntu is this
[21:19] <ppf> cat /etc/*-release
[21:19] <ash_workz> ppf 16.04
[21:19] <ppf> okay
[21:20] <qis> oerheks: Not sure if it is. Either Linux or Ubuntu issue. Works fine in FreeBSD X11.
[21:20] <nacc> ash_workz: what is your php question?
[21:21] <ash_workz> I really appreciate everyone jumping in here; there is a honestly a lot I don't get but I gtg pretty soon and I know that my questions are just too involved
[21:22] <ppf> ash_workz: did you ask a question yet? what's the problem you're solving?
[21:22] <ash_workz> ppf: it's not a problem anymore; it's just a brain thing.
[21:22] <nacc> ash_workz: by default 'php' will install libapache2-mod-php -> libapache2-mod-php7.0 which is the apache module for using php
[21:22] <nacc> ash_workz: if you want the cli, you need php-cli
[21:24] <ash_workz> nacc: I see. I was confused because apparently their are several ways to install php (to use apache) and (idk for sure but) it seems like that is not the ideal way (anymore?) https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/php
[21:25] <nacc> ash_workz: installing php and using php are sort of different things (terminology wise)
[21:26] <nacc> ash_workz: the apache default (in 16.04) was switched to php-fpm, but that was a diversion from debian and has been changed back in later releases
[21:26] <nacc> *the php default
[21:26] <nacc> ash_workz: note also that page is out of date already
[21:26] <nacc> ash_workz: as it explicilty mentions php5_module
[21:28] <ppf> nacc: not for me
[21:28] <ppf> tried it just then, gives me fpm by default
[21:29] <ppf> (xenial)
[21:29] <nacc> ppf: yes, that's what i just said?
[21:29] <nacc> "the php default was swtiched to php-fpm"
[21:29] <nacc> (in 16.04)
[21:29] <ppf> nacc: right, sorry. i read from the top and answered before i got to the bottom :)
[21:29] <nacc> later releases default back to libapache2-mod-php just like debian does
[21:30] <nacc> ppf: np :)
[21:30] <oerheks> qis, i think the driver for bsd working better, file a bugreport perhaps?
[21:30] <oerheks> !bug
[21:30] <ppf> and i can confirm, it gives me mod_php on zesty :)
[21:30] <nacc> ppf: :)
[21:32] <YankDownUnder> ash_workz: A question is eating at the back of my mind - is this a production server with a special app or database or website that requires PHP5? And again, was it backed up prior to the upgrade...?
[21:33] <Epx998> pxe booting a live is kicking my butt
[21:33] <Epx998> nothing wants to work buh
[21:35] <qis> oerheks: It looks more like a windowing system problem.
[21:35] <qis> oerheks: If I have multiple windows on top of each other, the click is received by the underlying window. Totally weird.
[21:35] <ppf> what DE/WM is this?
[21:36] <qis> default ubuntu installation, unity I suppose
[21:38] <oerheks> "underlying windows" this is new info
[21:38] <qis> Yes, just noticed it.
[21:39] <qis> xev registers the clicks just fine but I cannot drag the xev window.
[21:43] <qis> Oh, also very interesting: I switched to mouse over focus mode. As soon as the issue reappears, focus does not change on mouseover.
[21:45] <eriswans> Is it normal for security bug reports made via launchpad to sit in new:undecided for 2 weeks with zero activity?
[21:46] <nacc> eriswans: link?
[21:46] <qis> eriswans: Make a blog post and publish it on reddit. Publicity tends to speed things up in the OSS world.
[21:46] <eriswans> 1678349 (not including full link because I don't want to tip off about the package)
[21:47] <wedgie> eriswans: is it ubuntu specific or is it something that you may want to report to the upstream project for whatever package it is?
[21:47] <oerheks> eriswans, security bug filed with "private" ??
[21:47] <YankDownUnder> qis: I just thought of something - I had a situation with Unity before - and a "gaming mouse" - and if I recall, I ended up using "unity-tweak-tool" to sort it out - that, and there was something else...I think it was "mapping" the buttons...was last year...
[21:47] <eriswans> It's not ubuntu-specific but ubuntu is the only distro that packages this software.
[21:48] <qis> YankDownUnder: Thanks but wouldn't xev display the wrong button number when the issue appears? That's not the case.
[21:48] <qis> And why does mouseover focus stop working?
[21:49] <oerheks> ericnoan, without knowing what package, is it supported by ubuntu or does it come from universe ???
[21:49] <oerheks> eriswans ^^
[21:49] <eriswans> Universe.
[21:51] <nacc> eriswans: only main is officially supported by ubuntu-security, aiui
[21:51] <nacc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories#Main
[21:51] <nacc> eriswans: if you provided the fix already, then it might get moved along, but universe security fixes are not necessarily a priority (again aiui)
[21:51] <wedgie> might try to track down the package maintainer and ping them
[21:52] <viju> Hi, I am running sudo dpkg --configure -a and it's stuck on cups-ademon
[21:53] <eriswans> Ah, no, no patch. Would be useful if there was some feedback in the process that security-private bugs for universe are a black hole.
[21:53] <oerheks> eriswans, now you know
[21:53] <nacc> eriswans: it's sort of definitional in universe
[21:53] <nacc> eriswans: per the above wiki page
[21:54] <nacc> eriswans: and it's not clear it's actually a black hole, just probably not a priority
[21:55] <ppf> !paste | viju
[21:56] <viju> ppf just one line it shows - sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:57] <viju> Setting up cups-daemon (1.7.5-11+deb8u1) ...
[21:57] <viju> y
[21:57] <ppf> alright. can you increase verbosity of dpkg?
[21:57] <ppf> i.e. enable debug output
[21:58] <eriswans> nacc: Can totally understand it being a low priority, just figured it'd actually get triaged as such instead of sitting at undecided.
[21:58] <nacc> eriswans: true, not sure on it, let me ask
[21:58] <oerheks> viju, cups-daemon 1.7.5-11+deb8u1 ?? what ubuntu is this
[21:59] <rowe> Does anyone have experience with FreeSpace2 Open? I'm having a difficult time compiling the launcher, and with finding a precompiled launcher out on the web.
[22:00] <nacc> rowe: have you tried 'freespace2-launcher'? and/or freespace2-launcher-wxlauncher ?
[22:00] <bray90820> Can anyone recommend a tablet to run the ubuntu?
[22:01] <nacc> rowe: it's in multiverse
[22:01] <rowe> nacc: it's the wxlauncher that I'm trying to compile, but it just won't work.
[22:01] <rowe> nacc: is there a precompiled one there?
[22:01] <nacc> rowe: why are you compiling it?
[22:01] <banyantree> i cant recomennend anyone but i am curious what do you like to do with it?
[22:01] <oerheks> bray90820, bq Aquaris M10 runs ubuntu fine
[22:01] <Digit_01> I had a quite dire problem with Ubuntu Budgie 17.04
[22:01] <banyantree> *anything
[22:01] <rowe> nacc: building it from source, rather.
[22:02] <nacc> rowe: why? it's a binary package?
[22:02] <nacc> rowe: /usr/games/freespace2-launcher ?
[22:02] <Digit_01> In the installer I choose "replace ubuntu 16.04", well, it also replaced my windows partition
[22:02] <bray90820> oerheks: That's running ubuntu touch which is dead
[22:02] <rowe> nacc: could you throw me a link? There is no launcher in my FreeSpace folder.
[22:02] <banyantree> i installed recently ubuntu touch on a nexus 4 but i'm not that happy with it
[22:03] <nacc> !info freespace2-launcher-wxlauncher | rowe
[22:03] <viju> oerheks: that's debian, sorry out of habit I asked here.
[22:03] <nacc> rowe: it's in trusty and on, afaict
[22:03] <nacc> rowe: make sure you have multiverse enabled and `sudo apt update; sudo apt install freespace2-launcher-wxlauncher` ?)
[22:04] <rowe> nacc: How can I enable multiverse if you don't mind me asking?
[22:04] <nacc> !components | rowe
[22:04] <bray90820> oerheks: I was looking to run the desktop version of ubuntu on a tablet
[22:04] <ppf> viju: you should ask this in #debian, then. but they'll be interested in debug output from dpkg, too :)
[22:07] <rowe> nacc: cool, I downloaded from the repository. After that, do I just put it in my Freespace Open install folder
[22:07] <rowe> ?
[22:08] <nacc> rowe: why are you downloading it?
[22:08] <nacc> rowe: just install it
[22:08] <rowe> nacc: I installed it, I mean. Sorry, I'm a new Linux user. Now do I just run it, or does it need to be somewhere in particular?
[22:08] <oerheks> bray90820, the arch wiki gives 3, surface pro 3, Samsung Series 7 Slate XE700T1A and an Asus T300
[22:09] <bray90820> oerheks: Thanks
[22:10] <nacc> rowe: i don't think you need to do anything -- it should be in games now? or you can run /usr/games/freespace2-launcher i think
[22:10] <nacc> rowe: i have no idea about the package itself, i'm just seeing it's packaged and so you shouldn't need to build it yourself
[22:10] <nacc> rowe: or read /usr/share/doc/freespace2-launcher-wxlauncher/README.Debian
[22:13] <skinux> What is the command to remove PPA by name?
[22:13] <nacc> skinux: ppa-purge?
[22:13] <skinux> For example, I need to remove PPA for Cherokee server
[22:13] <oerheks> ppa-purge <cherokee-server-ppa-name>
[22:16] <rowe> nacc: Okay, so I think I went backwards. The first thing I did was install the GOG version of Freespace 2 with Wine, then I ran the .jar installer for FS2 Open, then I went to you and got the launcher.
[22:17] <rowe> nacc: I think I went about this the wrong way.
[22:17] <skinux> It's complaining that the PPAs don't have Release files
[22:17] <oerheks> skinux, ohh, then nothing got installed, just comment it out in softwaresources
[22:18] <skinux> Okay.
[22:18] <debkad> hello, It seem that i can't access youtube from chromium or firefox, fire fox tell me this: (Error code: ssl_error_protocol_version_alert)
[22:18] <nacc> rowe: afaict, you don't need wine for freespace2 it's in the archive too, but you need the cd files
[22:19] <nacc> rowe: the wine version will be totally different and i have no idea
[22:19] <debkad> I use 14.04 for info
[22:21] <ppf> debkad: what firefox/chromium version are you using
[22:21] <debkad> ppf: firefox 28.0, chromium 53.0.2785.143
[22:22] <kostkon> debkad, 28??
[22:22] <debkad> yeah
[22:22] <nacc> !info firefox trusty
[22:22] <oerheks>  firefox is @ v 52
[22:22] <debkad> oh
[22:22] <kostkon> debkad, and there's a reason behind that?
[22:22] <nacc> debkad: no idea what you're doing but i'm guessing you're not using -updates or -security
[22:22] <nacc> which is a terrible idea (the latter at least)
[22:22] <oerheks> debkad, run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:22] <debkad> no, i tryed to update/upgrade without a chance
[22:23] <oerheks> you might be 10 kernels behind too ..
[22:23] <nacc> pastebin the output of `sudo apt-get update`
[22:23] <ppf> nacc: is saying that you've disabled the -updates or -security repos
[22:23] <nacc> or never enabled themm, or something
[22:23] <kostkon> debkad, apt-cache policy firefox
[22:23] <debkad> that will take a while on Ign http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com trusty/universe Translation-fr_FR
[22:24] <debkad> ok
[22:24] <nacc> debkad: hrm?
[22:24] <nacc> debkad: that's still the release pocket (for universe)
[22:25] <ppf> debkad: check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:25] <debkad> it still hanging but in another one
[22:25] <debkad> ah i remember i changed dz to fr on that file
[22:26] <debkad> kostkon: http://ix.io/qG2
[22:26] <ppf> no, i mean: check it for -updates and -security
[22:26] <debkad> one sec
[22:27] <debkad> ppf: there is none of those
[22:27] <debkad> i disabled the auto update ( the gui ) in few days ago, it might be the reason?
[22:28] <oerheks> debkad, noo, it can't be that ... wait, are you serious?
[22:29] <debkad> yeah i did it oerheks
[22:29] <debkad> let me check the gui source
[22:30] <kostkon> debkad, you're missing some repos, open Software & Updates to re-enable them
[22:30] <Guy1524> hey guys, I using Ubuntu 16.04 on a computer w/ 4 GB of RAM.  Unfortunately, a lot of it is being consumed by Ubuntu.  Here you can see the total usage: http://i.imgur.com/VcH3rnj.png  Its a lot but when i try to see what is eating it up, I go in to the processes tab and sort by memory: http://i.imgur.com/v1XzJCh.png   compiz has the highest memory usage, which is only 40 MB though
[22:30] <Guy1524> this is without firefox up
[22:30] <debkad> kostkon: I must check all the unchecked?
[22:31] <nacc> Guy1524: memory usage is good
[22:31] <ppetraki> Guy1524, what does free -h say?
[22:31] <nacc> Guy1524: not using memory is bad
[22:31] <debkad> kostkon: there is: trusty-security, -updates, proposed and -backports
[22:31] <kostkon> debkad, one to avoid is Proposed, Enable everything else
[22:31] <debkad> thanks
[22:31] <Guy1524> used gives me the same information
[22:32] <Guy1524> actually
[22:32] <Guy1524> in free -h, used is 400 MB less
[22:32] <ppetraki> Guy1524, buff/cached is what im interested in
[22:32] <Guy1524> well keep in mind this is w/ firefox now open, buff/cache is 605M
[22:32] <debkad> It seem that the update is fast now
[22:33] <ppetraki> Guy1524,  so about a 1/4 of your available ram is cached
[22:33] <bb88> so wait, unity 8 is no more? so what's next?
[22:33] <kostkon> debkad, now open your updater and apply the updates
[22:33] <debkad> yes it is in the rouad :)
[22:33] <bb88> rouad?
[22:33] <bb88> so unity 7 is just going to continue evolving? no wayland?
[22:34] <ppetraki> Guy1524, so if things start to get slow for you. you can force linux to dump that cache
[22:34] <ppetraki> Guy1524,  sudo sh -c "sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches"
[22:34] <Guy1524> cool, thx
[22:34] <debkad> bb88: road i think
[22:34] <bb88> so wayland is dead as well?
[22:34] <bb88> or just unity 8?
[22:34] <debkad> my english is horible
[22:34] <ppetraki> Guy1524, in the meanwhile, as long as you're not having performance problems your memory usage looks fine
[22:35] <debkad> wow many things are updating
[22:35] <Guy1524> well, the problem is when I try to run a huge mc modpack, it fills my memory
[22:35] <nacc> Guy1524: memory being full is not in and of itself a bug
[22:35] <Guy1524> but this will definitely help, thx
[22:35] <ppetraki> Guy1524, though it would be best if you had atleast 8G of ram. webbrowsers with their sandboxes consume oddles of ram
[22:35] <ppetraki> Guy1524, yw
[22:35] <Guy1524> ya, thats why i use firefox
[22:35] <Guy1524> ive heard it uses less than chrome
[22:35] <Guy1524> cya
[22:36] <ppetraki> o/
[22:36] <kostkon> !ram
[22:36] <nacc> kostkon: thanks
[22:37] <cabuloso> bb88, wayland is going to continue being developed, but probably not focused on desktop.
[22:37] <bb88> cabuloso: that's so stupid
[22:37] <bb88> guess i'll be migrating to fedora
[22:38] <Ben64> you're thinking of mir i think
[22:38] <oerheks> cabuloso, probably not focused on desktop ??? wher edid you get that info?
[22:39] <bb88> Ben64: yes, mir
[22:39] <bb88> still better than X
[22:39] <bb88> so ubuntu is planning to just stay with X forever?
[22:39] <Ben64> wayland
[22:39] <bb88> unity 7 will run on wayland?
[22:39] <oerheks> omg ..
[22:39] <Ben64> unity is going away...
[22:39] <compdoc> lol
[22:39] <oerheks> troll night, i am off
[22:39] <bb88> what will unity be replaced by?
[22:39] <Ben64> gnome
[22:39] <compdoc> gnome3
[22:39] <bb88> what?
[22:39] <bb88> i'm okay with that
[22:39] <Ben64> GNOME
[22:40] <bb88> ya i'm not opposed to gnome
[22:40] <bb88> prefer it to unity
[22:40] <debkad> so many question :)
[22:41] <bb88> so will GNOME replace unity for 18.04?
[22:41] <bb88> hopefully
[22:41] <Epx998> never had my butt kicked as bad as making a new netboot initrd.gz is kicking it
[22:41] <debkad> as you like they do
[22:49] <cabuloso> bb88, X will be supported for a long time
[22:54] <chromium_issue> I am using Chromium. While on Youtube when I switch to Fullscreen mode the system freezes, sound goues on then the Video plays ...Same happens when I switch to windowed mode
[22:57] <debkad> chromium_issue: try to use 720P if you use 1080, and 480P if 720P ... and see if the resolution is the problem or something else
[22:58] <debkad> or try disabling the acceleration
[22:59] <chromium_issue> debkad, Just checked its playing at 360p ....
[22:59] <chromium_issue> Trying now
[22:59] <debkad> ok
[23:00] <debkad> start chromium with --disable-gpu
[23:01] <debkad> my pc is old and slow, i use mpv, it work very good
[23:02] <RYDeN> hola
[23:02] <RYDeN> que tal?
[23:02] <chromium_issue> --disable-gpu has improved the delay slightly...I will try n restart and see if that helps
[23:03] <debkad> yeah that will help a little
[23:08] <debkad> chromium_issue: you can also install mpv and let me know if that make you happy :)
[23:18] <pezdispenser> Hi, I've installed Ubuntu Gnome 17.04  > upon boot says, default boot device missing or boot failed,     why?
[23:19] <SchrodingersScat> so do I simply wait for zombie processes to be cleaned up by some process I don't understand?
[23:19] <compdoc> pezdispenser, how many drives are in the system?
[23:19] <pezdispenser> compdoc: Only One primary HDD
[23:20] <compdoc> pezdispenser, you using uefi?
[23:20] <karim_> hi
[23:20] <karim_> what is the command to make a deb package from a make install ?
[23:20] <karim_> i can't remember
[23:20] <debkad> dpkg i think
[23:20] <karim_> no
[23:20] <pezdispenser> compdoc:  It doesnt detect any drives in legacy,   It's running in uefi Yes
[23:20] <debkad> oh
[23:20] <debkad> apt-something may be
[23:21] <SchrodingersScat> karim_: installcheck?
[23:21] <SchrodingersScat> !info installcheck
[23:21] <karim_> checkinstall
[23:21] <karim_> or something
[23:21] <karim_> i remember
[23:21] <SchrodingersScat> one of them
[23:21] <compdoc> pezdispenser, most system have a boot menu if you hit f11 or whatever key before it boots. see if there are other choices to boot in the menu
[23:22] <Bashing-om> SchrodingersScat: Me, I want to know the why (pstree). Reference: http://askubuntu.com/questions/111422/how-to-find-zombie-process .
[23:22] <pezdispenser> compdoc:  I've entered the bios, switched between legacy and uefi, disabled secure boot,   no other choices as I see,  made sure the HDD is first on the boot order as well
[23:22] <compdoc> pezdispenser, thats not what I said
[23:23] <GlitchKen> hector?
[23:23] <pezdispenser> compdoc:  sorry,  f11 towards bios? or towards booting from a usb
[23:23] <compdoc> towards bios, if i take you meaning
[23:23] <pezdispenser> compdoc:  I understand. boot menu, yes
[23:24] <pezdispenser> compdoc:  I have  - try ubuntu gnome without installing,   install ubuntu gnome, OEM install for manufactureres.   check disc for defects
[23:25] <karim_> SchrodingersScat, checkinstall it was
[23:25] <compdoc> that sounds like booting from the cd or usb
[23:25] <SchrodingersScat> Bashing-om: the zombie is the ipfs command, i killed the bash process that was running it, was that bad? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24383634/
[23:25] <SchrodingersScat> karim_: right-o
[23:25] <compdoc> *that sounds like the installer when booting from the cd or usb
[23:26] <pezdispenser> compdoc:  yes,   without the usb my "f9"  has no result,  it only boots the screen i first mentioned,  missing boot device or boot failed screed
[23:30] <Bashing-om> SchrodingersScat: Well that depends on what file shating processes ya have going on .  I just installed for the first time and got it working. But got a question about shutting down host.  Ya kill 1 .. that is the system ! everything runs under PID1 .
[23:34] <Guma> I googled fro it and different people say different this.
[23:35] <Bashing-om> SchrodingersScat: I would expect " 5241 " as that zombie .
[23:37] <MWM> I am wondering if there are any workarounds to have different wallpapers on each virtual desktop in KDE
[23:38] <SchrodingersScat> Bashing-om: ps aux | grep 'Z': 5235  3.9  0.0      0     0 ?        Zl   18:26   2:36 [ipfs] <defunct> is the only one, five children of that though. any quick way to kill it?
[23:38] <AlexUbuntu> Quick question: I have Ubuntu 16.04 installed on a persistent USB and loaded into RAM
[23:39] <AlexUbuntu> it works great, but I am being auto logged in as ubuntu
[23:39] <AlexUbuntu> Rather than as the user account I created
[23:39] <AlexUbuntu> Any idea why?
[23:39] <PWP> I'm searching for help with Zenmap beyond documentation at nmap.org, can anyone assist?
[23:40] <YankDownUnder> AlexUbuntu: https://askubuntu.com/questions/779358/autologin-with-lightdm-on-xenial-16-04 [23:40] <wedgie> PWP: probably much better off asking in #nmap
[23:42] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Let me check this out
[23:44] <SchrodingersScat> Bashing-om: oh, I had it going to a FUSE thing, and that must have been holding it up
[23:45] <PWP> thank you wedgie, im there now.
[23:46] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, I think this is it
[23:46] <Bashing-om> SchrodingersScat: Ya got it ? As what ya want to do is kill the child of the offending process  - has been my experience .
[23:46] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Do I set auto-login user to false?
[23:46] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Right now it is: autologin-user=ubuntu
[23:46] <YankDownUnder> AlexUbuntu: THAT is up to YOU...
[23:46] <SchrodingersScat> Bashing-om: i threw a bunch of kill commands at the children, but killing the acdcli process (twice) took care of it
[23:47] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Okay, let me rephrase: if I set autologin-user=false will that prevent any autologin?
[23:47] <YankDownUnder> AlexUbuntu: For "persistent" USB's - because I use them on jobsites - I set them to NOT automagically login...
[23:47] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, I just don't know if I have the correct syntax
[23:47] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Or will it want to autologin a user named "false"?
[23:47] <YankDownUnder> AlexUbuntu: Leave it blank.
[23:48] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Excellent thanks
[23:48] <AlexUbuntu> YankDownUnder, Lol, don't have necessary permissions to overwrite it
[23:49] <YankDownUnder> AlexUbuntu: Use sudo...best from a terminal, really...but we're all different...
[23:50] <debkad> I think i can't wait more than that as the dist-upgrade is freezing on" Paramétrage de pepperflashplugin-nonfree (1.3ubuntu1.1) ..." for more than 15 minutes
[23:51] <mininessie> Hi
[23:51] <mininessie> Anyone here
[23:51] <amr_> me
[23:51] <amr_> hi
[23:52] <amr_> what
[23:52] <amr_> 's up
[23:54] <jk0ne> hi.
[23:57] <debkad> By the way, no fix for viewing youtube


[01:50] <blr> wgrant: after the is merged, will it run, or is there a flag to set?
[01:52] <wgrant> blr: garbo jobs are run automatically.
[01:53] <wgrant> blr: Some have the ability to be enabled or disabled by feature flag, but they must implement that themselves.
[01:54] <blr> wgrant: ok, just uncertain about the performance profile of this job, but I see there are others that operate over the entire product collection.
[01:56] <wgrant> blr: It is not problematic. We have garbo jobs running over collections several orders of magnitude larger.
[01:58] <blr> ok good to know :)
[02:40] <wgrant> blr: Care to land that branch so we can deploy this afternoon?
[02:40] <wgrant> (if you tried before it probably got caught in the testfix)
[02:40] <blr> wgrant: sure, was just waiting for buildbot
[02:47] <wgrant> blr: Thanks.
[06:48] <lifeless> wgrant: webhooks; nice.
[06:57] <wgrant> lifeless: That's the plan.
[06:58] <wgrant> For Git pushes initially, but obviously once we have the infrastructure we'll look at expanding it.
[06:58] <wgrant> Also investigating a general event system.
[07:16] <wgrant> Conflict adding file lib/lp/services/webhooks.moved.moved.moved.moved.  Moved existing file to lib/lp/services/webhooks.moved.moved.moved.moved.moved.
[07:19] <StevenK> Oh bzr <3
[08:14] <lifeless> wgrant: you have one already - the public wabbit server
[08:14] <lifeless> wgrant: (aren't webhooks just a particular client of that ?)
[08:15] <wgrant> lifeless: txlongpoll would be a client of the RabbitMQ-based event system.
[08:15] <wgrant> lifeless: txlongpoll would need a complete redesign to be the centre of it all.
[08:16] <lifeless> sure
[08:16] <lifeless> be nice to have it outside the squishy core is all ;)
[08:16] <wgrant> (and the idea would be that events would also be persisted, such that activity streams can be presented, and eg. bug notifications can be responses to events)
[08:17] <wgrant> Oh, certainly. I consider this webhook implementation a production-ready prototype that will hopefully be obsoleted by an event system designed with things we've learned from this.
[08:17] <lifeless> wgrant: sounds like apache thingy. Uhm, linkedin's thing
[08:17] <lifeless> distributed persistent log
[08:17] <wgrant> Kafka?
[08:17] <lifeless> yes
[17:46] <rpadovani> Hey all, I'm lurking here for some months so it's time to introduce myself:
[17:46] <rpadovani> I'm Riccardo, 22 years old Computer Science (2nd year) student from Italy.
[17:46] <rpadovani> I contribute to Ubuntu for 3 years, beginning with my Loco and then writing code for Ubuntu Touch (core apps and webbrowser, mainly).
[17:46] <rpadovani> I'm quite involved (I also joined two sprints) and I have a lot of fun. Since the start of the year I'm thinking to contribute to LP, a project I really like (definitely the best bug tracker on the internet).
[17:46] <rpadovani> The only problem: I don't know Python :-P
[17:46] <rpadovani> But since April I work for a startup and now they want I learn Python, so I'm studyng on Coursera and CodeAcademy and I already completed the basic tutorial on the Python website.
[17:46] <rpadovani> So, what's better way to learn something new than contributing to an opensource project?
[17:46] <rpadovani> (Sorry for the wall of text, now questions are coming)
[17:47] <rpadovani> Do you think I could be useful if do some patches, starting from bitesize bugs?
[17:47] <rpadovani> Probably at start I'll do silly patches and I'll have some silly questions.
[17:47] <cjwatson> Sure, we aren't short of them
[17:47] <rpadovani> So, do you think I could be useful? Let me be clear: I want to help, not to be a burden for the project.
[17:47] <rpadovani> cjwatson, great :-) Do you think with a good commitment I can contribute to LP or it's better to start from something simpler?
[17:47] <cjwatson> Starting with that attitude is already a pretty good sign.
[17:48] <cjwatson> IMO the biggest skill (other than Python, general programming, etc.) you need to contribute effectively to LP is the ability to navigate a large codebase and not be scared by it.
[17:49] <cjwatson> It's pretty regularly laid out, so once you get a feel for it it isn't nearly as hard to find things as the raw size of the tree would suggest.
[17:49] <rpadovani> let's try then - I did a couple of patches for oxide, that is quite big
[17:49] <cjwatson> And the test suite coverage is for the most part excellent, which helps.
[17:49] <rpadovani> great to hear that
[17:49] <rpadovani> I'm creating the LXC container, I'll back when it will finish to download all the internet
[17:50] <cjwatson> Heh, it does that.
[17:50] <cjwatson> To start with I'd suggest that you ask us about bugs you're thinking about attacking, and we can advise you if they have any hidden horribleness
[17:51] <cjwatson> It's been a while since we had non-trivial contributions from outside the core team, so very happy to see somebody interested :)
[17:52] <rpadovani> you're not in maintenance mode anymore, so I hope also someone more skilled will come out :-)
[17:52] <cjwatson> Welcome, anyway
[17:53] <cjwatson> Is there a particular bit of the site that attracts your attention most?
[17:54] <rpadovani> tbh dunno yet. As I said, I really like bug trackers, so I'll take a look to bug to them - the other thing I think could be pretty improved is integration with bzr, so I'll look also to bugs about code navigations and so
[17:54] <rpadovani> but, whereever I could be useful I'll try to drop a bit :-)
[17:54] <cjwatson> OK, fair enogh
[17:54] <rpadovani> (bit like in 1/8 of byte)
[17:54] <cjwatson> *enough
[17:55] <rpadovani> (my english sucks btw)
[18:00] <rpadovani> cjwatson, do you think bug #194257 could be a good start? Seems very trivial, but could be a good way to take a look to lp tree and to take a look to the workflow
[18:00] <mup> Bug #194257: "Recently imported branches" doesn't just list recent ones <lp-code> <trivial> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/194257>
[18:04] <cjwatson> rpadovani: Not too hard in itself, but nearby classes in the code include "Recently registered branches" and "Recently changed branches".  What would you do with those, since the same change doesn't seem like it would make sense there?
[18:05] <rpadovani> cjwatson, well, I think it should be evaluted case by case - if there is a check of some type on the datetime I leave the "Recently", otherwise I drop it
[18:05] <cjwatson> rpadovani: I wonder if a better fix would be to make the code match the text, and impose some kind of cut-off on the list of branches shown
[18:06] <cjwatson> rpadovani: My point is that neither "Registered branches" nor "Changed branches" makes sense as a page title.
[18:06] <rpadovani> Okay, so probably is better to show branches that are newer than 1(?) month
[18:06] <cjwatson> So maybe it would be better to add a filter so that all three of those really are recent.
[18:07] <rpadovani> great, I'll try this approach then - again, should be easy?
[18:07] <cjwatson> I'd probably go with something like 90 days, but bikeshed
[18:09] <cjwatson> changed is fairly easy, but both registered and imported will take you into BranchCollection to add a filter method on date_created, which isn't trivial, and you'd have to figure out how to write tests.  I'd class this as relatively easy, but maybe not a first branch.
[18:10] <cjwatson> (BranchCollection is notably obscure - I had to understand it all recently when implementing a parallel thing for Git)
[18:10] <rpadovani> okay, thanks for info, so I take a look to other bugs and keep this for next weeks :-)
[18:11] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/892259 might not be too difficult
[18:11] <mup> Bug #892259: Link to revision for merged MPs <trivial> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/892259>
[18:12] <cjwatson> You'd have to learn about TAL, but that's going to come up pretty quickly anyway
[18:14] <cjwatson> Or maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/530505
[18:14] <mup> Bug #530505: branch_merge_proposal.createComment requires a subject, which is pointless <api> <lp-code> <trivial> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/530505>
[20:40] <rpadovani> rocketfuel-setup is still working ZzZzZz
[20:43] <cjwatson> Good news: you only have to do it once
[20:46] <rpadovani> btw, I see it creates two directories, one for branches and one as shadow, so the workflow is bzr switch -b my_little_patch / bzr push lp:~rpadovani/lp-dev/my_little_patch / bzr checkout trunk ?
[20:47] <cjwatson> I *cough* do things the old-fashioned way and just create a full new branch for everything
[20:47] <blr> morning
[20:48] <cjwatson> Though it's a bit slow since I have to do "utilities/link-external-sourcecode && make" in each new branch
[20:48] <cjwatson> wgrant has a better workflow with "bzr switch" I think
[20:48] <rpadovani> and you need a big hard disk :D
[20:48] <cjwatson> We're pretty close to switching to git, though, so don't worry about optimising that too much
[20:48] <blr> yes, git will make that irrelevant, for better or worse ;)
[20:48] <cjwatson> morning blr
[20:49] <blr> how was your weekend cjwatson?
[20:49] <cjwatson> excellent, thanks, dinner party on Saturday
[20:49] <cjwatson> much wine was had
[20:49] <rpadovani> I switched from a directory for a branch to bzr switch a couple of months ago, it has some advantages
[20:49] <rpadovani> blr o/
[20:49] <blr> sounds pleasant!
[20:49] <cjwatson> rpadovani: BTW the branch URL would be lp:~rpadovani/launchpad/my_little_patch, not .../lp-dev/...
[20:50] <blr> hi rpadovani
[20:50] <cjwatson> blr: hope you aren't snowed in or whatever Melbourne has been having
[20:51] <blr> cjwatson: it has been bitterly cold here, but I think the snow has passed.. the frost isn't budging however.
[20:51] <blr> cjwatson: did you hear wgrant was without power as well! :/
[20:52] <cjwatson> I did
[20:53] <cjwatson> still, on the upside, we don't live in Portland so http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one doesn't have to be immediately terrifying
[20:54] <blr> yes, read that this morning... I was in the 1989 bay area quake, and that was terrifying enough...
[20:55] <cjwatson> worst it ever gets here is basically the mild-flatulence level
[20:55] <cjwatson> though my mother-in-law's house and garage are separated by a fault line, which is kind of interesting
[20:56] <blr> seismologists seem to be discovering new faults in the south island fairly regularly.. not clear how we stand.
[20:57] <cjwatson> today I came up with what I think is a workable plan for the gmail filterability project, although I need to try porting something non-trivial like bugs to BaseMailer to see how feasible it is
[20:57] <blr> ok, a change in direction from your earlier plan, or along the same lines?
[20:57] <cjwatson> same lines, just a little better fleshed out in that I found a plausible place to put the common code
[20:58] <cjwatson> and confirmed that gmail actually lets you do reasonable searches/filters for that kind of thing
[20:58] <cjwatson> looking back through old bugs, it looks like the former Code team developed BaseMailer, and then the tentative plan was for other teams to port stuff to it but mostly nobody ever got round to it
[20:58] <cjwatson> so I think it's a decent direction
[21:00] <cjwatson> sometimes I think my job title should be something more like Vinge's "programmer-archaeologist"
[21:00] <blr> heh, I suppose that's not in the category of jobs that do not exist yet then :)
[21:28] <rpadovani> I've all up and running \o/ I'm almost moved
[22:16] <wgrant> cjwatson: I didn't realise BaseMailer was actually used that widely. That's convenient.
[22:28] <rpadovani> cjwatson, so, I tried to write the patch to the bug you pointed me to. I hope it's good :-)
[22:28] <rpadovani> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/launchpad/link-revision-merged-mp/+merge/264654
[23:09] <blr> rpadovani: hopefully that points you in the right direction, let us know how you get on.
[23:10] <blr> wgrant: potentially it does make sense to have a redirect on code/project/branch/revision/revno perhaps?
[23:11] <cjwatson> I don't think a slow redirect through the webapp is going to improve people's lives, really.
[23:12] <cjwatson> rpadovani: You should also figure out how to write and run a test for this.
[23:13] <cjwatson> rpadovani: The process of doing that would likely have shown up your mistake here.