[00:22] <quidnunc> rbasak: https://docs.huihoo.com/debian/manuals/maint-guide/ch-update.en.html this says "simply copy the debian/ directory if it was packaged with quilt". I think that package uses quilt (?). Can I do that?
[00:23] <quidnunc> Does gbp work with Fossil too?
[07:40] <cpaelzer> git-build-recipe --allow-fallback-to-native makes the content contiain a .git dir
[07:40] <cpaelzer> some packages build behavior changes in presence of one
[07:41] <cpaelzer> I should be able to remove the .git in d/rules as part of the recipe delta, but wanted to know if there is a more declarative/systematic way to avoid getting that .git in the final result?
[07:45] <cpaelzer> oh and local git-build-recipe behaves different than the one running on LP, I'm assuming one finds the tarball and makes it native and the others does not?
[15:50] <jawn-smith> bdmurray, enr0n: my u-r-u MP has been approved
[15:54] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: great
[15:55] <enr0n> jawn-smith: thanks for the heads up
[15:57] <jawn-smith> Now that we have the code in good shape I'll make another MP to ubuntu/devel
[15:58] <jawn-smith> but first, a sandwich
[17:02] <jawn-smith> actually after discussing with waveform I don't think this needs a kinetic PR. Rather, the remove_uboot should be removed from kinetic
[17:05] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: is remove_uboot a quirk?
[17:05] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: yes, it is
[17:07] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: if its not relevant for an upgrade from J to K then it can be removed. Additionally, if your new quirk isn't relevant for J to K then it doesn't need to be in K even though its being SRU'ed to J
[17:07] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: that is correct, neither of these quirks are relevant for J to K upgrades
[17:08] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: Although given that the quirk is late you should think about people who have already upgraded to J
[17:12] <waveform> both the netplan and remove-uboot quirks are relevant for upgraders *to* jammy, but correct me if I'm wrong, as you can't skip an LTS when upgrading, that means all upgraders to kinetic (or ++) would *have* to pass thru jammy and so neither is necessary beyond that. The only reason I can think to leave either in beyond jammy is in case there's some future SRU back to jammy (so it *might* be worth gating both quirks on version <= 22.04?)
[17:15] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: since this breaks networking I don't think it's something that could be ignored for a long period of time. It therefore seems unlikely that someone would make it all the way to a kk upgrade without fixing this manually
[17:22] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: ack
[21:15] <dbungert> May I get assistance with a retest? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=kinetic&arch=arm64&package=chkrootkit&trigger=binutils/2.38-4ubuntu1
[21:17] <kanashiro> dbungert, done
[21:20] <dbungert> kanashiro: thanks!
[21:28] <bdmurray> While there isn't much in the queues right now I think it'd be better to provide a `retry-autopkgtest-regressions` command to run as taht will check for any existing queued tests.
[22:03] <dbungert> bdmurray: I actually asked that before, but it wasn't run yet, so I thought I might have better luck with the URL


[04:32] <mup> PR snapcraft#877 opened: [WIP] Add new "source-commit" field for VCS sources <Created by stgraber> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/877>
[06:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:59] <zyga> o/
[08:33] <om26er> Can I install Ubuntu Core on the Dragonboard eMMC ?
[09:25] <mup> Bug #1637445 opened: The serial vault fails to connect to serial-vault.canonical.com <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637445>
[09:55] <ogra_> pitti, hmm, i cant remember the bugnumber but i am sure there was a bug that seeding libnss-resolve fixed
[10:03] <pitti> ogra_: it certainly came up as part of debugging something, but it's really by far not ready in xenial
[10:04] <ogra_> sadly there is no info why exactly it was added but it looks like it was related to cloud-init ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/23392138/
[10:05] <pitti> i. e. someone thought "oh, yakkety uses resolved with this, so let's try this", but this was probably bug 1620559 or so
[10:05] <mup> Bug #1620559: /etc/resolv.conf is empty on snappy <hw-specific> <verification-done> <Snappy:New> <systemd (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <systemd (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Released by pitti> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620559>
[10:05] <ogra_> mvo added it to livecd-rootfs .... i later moved it to the metapackage during a cleanup
[10:05] <pitti> yeah, I think this was just chinese whispers/a misunderstanding
[10:08] <kalikiana_> Are there any "real world" tests for snapd? By which I mean, not just formal verification but "try x, see if it worked"
[10:09] <kalikiana_> My practical example would be a tiny Go test snap using the lxd-client interface I added
[10:10] <kalikiana_> Which is what I've got, but manually
[10:11] <kalikiana_> balloons: Incidentally, as you were interested in it, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2225 is in a state that you can try out if you'd like
[10:11] <mup> PR snapd#2225: Implement lxd-client interface exposing the lxd snap <Created by kalikiana> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2225>
[10:12] <fgimenez> hi kalikiana_, take a look at snapd's spread test suite, there are lots of real world usage examples https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/tree/master/tests/main
[10:12] <kalikiana_> (I removed my attempted access to the executables, it's socket-only now)
[10:14] <kalikiana_> fgimenez: Oh, thanks, it seems I didn't look properly, I saw the _test.go files all over the places but didn't reaize there was another suite entirely
[10:16] <fgimenez> kalikiana_, yep, both suites, unit and integration, are run with each PR, let me know if you need any help writing the spread test for the case you mentioned
[10:50] <sitter> I'm looking for some input on dbus confinement. KDE has lots of apps that (semi-implicitly; as in: devs might not even know dbus is involved) access the session bus and claim a service name on it. This is how we implement unique application behavior (e.g. user starts foo, foo claims org.kde.foo, when foo is invoked again by whatever means it will first check if org.kde.foo is claimed and if so send a raiseWindow to that instead of starting a second
[10:50] <sitter> instance of foo). I am wondering if it would be possible to have a common interface which allows a snap to connect to the session bus and interact with a specific service name there (i.e. its own).
[11:28] <bzoltan> didrocks: yo man. I wonder if the main project name would be available in the snapcruft plugins? The other question I have in mind is of it is possible to move out the tar.gz created during the build to the same place as the final .snap is put.
[11:29] <qengho> bzoltan: If your build tool is defined to "install"
[11:29] <sparkiegeek> I'm trying to build a snap of a Python app, I'm having trouble with one of it's libraries which I have as a part: but fails to "snapcraft build" because of what seems to be peculiarities in the setup.py. Is there a one-liner I can use to reproduce what the Python plugin is doing? I want to add debugging and logging to the src and retry the build
[11:30] <qengho> all that, then it could easily.
[11:30] <qengho> sparkiegeek: Does the "--debug" param on "snapcraft" give you enough?
[11:31] <bzoltan> qengho: how to define it to "install"?
[11:32] <sparkiegeek> qengho: not quite - it shows me it's running ['/bin/sh', '/tmp/tmpcuv22g6y', 'pip', 'wheel', ...] but I don't get to see inside that tmp file, nor see the environment it's running in (PWD, os.environ etc.)
[11:32] <didrocks> bzoltan: hey! there is no restriction, so move it to .. ;) Unsure about the main project name, let me check the code
[11:33] <sparkiegeek> qengho: I've been cleanbuild --debug'ing and get dropped into the LXC - great - but struggling to iterate - if I use system python it Just Works™ but am failing to use the python in parts/install
[11:33] <qengho> bzoltan: What is it you want to move, exactly?
[11:34] <didrocks> bzoltan: so, you can do:
[11:34] <didrocks> config = snapcraft.internal.load_config(project_options)
[11:34] <didrocks> then config.data['name'] has the snap name
[11:35] <bzoltan> qengho: I have a plugin what wraps up a part of the stage for further use. I made a simple plugin to ride the build ... it creates the tar.gz to the parts
[11:35] <didrocks> project_options is available in your plugin
[11:35] <bzoltan> didrocks: \o/
[11:37] <didrocks> bzoltan: this is just from reading snapcraft source code, might be wrong ;)
[11:38] <bzoltan> didrocks: it is          config = snapcraft.internal.load_config(self.project)
[11:38] <bzoltan> didrocks:  perfect :)
[11:38] <didrocks> bzoltan: sweet! :)
[11:39] <qengho> sparkiegeek: Just to peek, I suggest  "sudo -e /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/snapcraft/internal/common.py"  and adding  subprocess.check_call(['/bin/cat', f.name])  after the two f.flush()es.
[11:40] <sparkiegeek> qengho: hah! I'm doing something similar right now :)
[11:40] <sparkiegeek> qengho: thanks
[12:00] <ogra_> pitti, hrm hrm
[12:00] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23392478/
[12:05] <foxmask> hi
[12:07] <foxmask> i try to make a snapcraft package but in my project I need to provide pypandoc (a python wrapper of pandoc) but the python3 installation try to use a bdist_wheel that is not supported by pypandoc. Is there a way to tell to snapcraft to not for the usage of wheel with the python3 plugin ?
[12:08] <qengho> foxmask: does it fail, or just look ugly when it tries something not supported?
[12:09] <foxmask> qengho: its ending like this
[12:09] <foxmask> Failed to build pypandoc
[12:09] <qengho> Oh man.
[12:09] <foxmask> even if i can use it with import python
[12:10] <foxmask> "ERROR: Failed to build one or more wheels
[12:37] <om26er> ogra_: is there a way to install Core on snapdragon' internal storage ?
[12:38] <om26er> or boot from sdcard is the recommended and the only way ?
[12:38] <ogra_> the latter
[12:38] <Son_Goku> zyga: ping
[12:39] <ogra_> theoretically it would be easy (you can do it on the beaglebone for example) but for dragonboard you would have to re-build the first stage bootloader to initialize the MMC instead of the SD
[12:40] <vigo> ogra_, I'm writing some test cases for console-conf but there are somethings not clear yet, hope you can help me :)
[12:40] <om26er> hmm, I was curios to check if the DB internal storage performs faster than my sdcard. I'll wait, maybe in future we'll have some kind of wizard to achieve that.
[12:40] <qengho> Is my Pandaboard useless?
[12:44] <vigo> ogra_, for example when we setup the network config, are all the changes suposed to be saved even if I reboot?
[12:45] <Son_Goku> can anyone answer where snap(1) man page is?
[12:46] <Son_Goku> because it's referenced in the systemd units
[12:57] <ogra_> ppisati, ooooh !!! look what i just hit on the pi3 http://paste.ubuntu.com/23392621/
[12:57] <ogra_> vigo, i think when you did hit the "done" button they should be saved in a file in /etc/netplan/
[12:59] <ogra_> ppisati, so it smells like you are right about a powering issue ... the above actually happens when console-conf (or netplan) tries to bring the wlan0 device down and up again
[13:00] <DonOregano> Sorry if I'm "reposting", but I think I got disconnected: I'm the maintainer of an open source SDK for distributed systems (Safir SDK Core), and I've been thinking about whether Snap is suitable for packaging it. The product consists of a bunch of executables and programming interfaces in C++ (libs and headers), Java (jars) and C# (assemblies). A developer is meant to download the SDK and start using my interfaces in his/her programs. I've been readin
[13:02] <srle> hello
[13:02] <srle> how can I get git repo of ubuntu core
[13:02] <vigo> ogra_, great thanks, so that means that once you have set the network config it should appear already configured after reboot right?
[13:03] <qengho> DonOregano: A snapped program can't write outside of some very specific places, so perhaps it's not a good fit for a tool like a compiler, but it might be nice to make the software that your SDK makes to be easily snap-able.
[13:04] <DonOregano> Ok, that was kind of what I was suspecting.
[13:04] <ogra_> vigo, theoretically even without reboot, but that seems broken atm
[13:04] <vigo> ogra_, excellent now I can write it :) thank you
[13:04] <ppisati> ogra_: how did you get that?
[13:05] <qengho> DonOregano: How can we help make your software-maker generate snaps?
[13:05] <ogra_> ppisati, i ran "sudo console-conf" on an already configured snappy pi3 ... to reconfigure for wlan
[13:06] <vigo> ogra_, this is one of the bugs related? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subiquity/+bug/1636419
[13:06] <ogra_> (i.e. i can only finish the install using eth0 currently ... then i reboot and do the above to turn off eth0 and turn on wlan0)
[13:06] <mup> Bug #1636419: Network settings aren't set in Dragonboard <Snappy:Confirmed> <subiquity (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636419>
[13:06] <DonOregano> qengho: Well, that is not so much the issue. Whatever the user/developer that uses my SDK does with packaging is not likely to be SNAP-friendly, since it is mainly defense industry management systems, so easy deployment to "people on the internet" is not really their cup of tea....
[13:06] <ogra_> vigo, no, that should work (it surely does here )
[13:07] <DonOregano> qengho: I was just hoping to find an easier way of getting my SDK to my users... Especially to be able to get new users :-)
[13:08] <ogra_> vigo, not sure we have a bu for that yet .. console-conf calls "netplan apply" but that doesnt seem to actually restart the network interfaces in the new configuration without reboot ... perhaps pitti can tell you if thats actually supposed to happen
[13:08] <ogra_> *bu
[13:08] <ogra_> bah
[13:08] <ogra_> *bug
[13:10] <pitti> ogra_: netplan apply simulates an unplug/replug for interfaces that are down; networkd doesn't touch interfaces which are already up
[13:11] <qengho> DonOregano: Three features DI folks would like are 1) roll-backs to known good versions, 2) internalized dependencies so updates of A don't affect B, and 3) compartmentalized execution, so an adversary breaking one pieces doesn't mean he can break more.
[13:11] <ogra_> pitti, well, if i enable wlan in console-conf (logging in via ssh through eth0) and call ifconfig afterwards, the wlan0 device isnt up
[13:11] <ogra_> pitti, eth0 is gone and wlan0 is up after a reboot though
[13:11] <pitti> apply is supposed to bring it up then, so if that doesn't work, it's a bug
[13:11] <qengho> DonOregano: That updating part is easily turned off.
[13:12] <pitti> ogra_: (works here, though)
[13:12] <pitti> i. e. needs precise logs and config files
[13:12] <ogra_> pitti, ok ... not sure if its consoleconf, netplan or the driver though
[13:12] <pitti> ogra_: someone added a blacklisting to one driver, though, bug 1630285
[13:12] <mup> Bug #1630285: mwifiex_pcie crashes after several bind/unbind <kernel-da-key> <originate-from-1623583> <plano> <verification-needed> <HWE Next:New> <linux (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630285>
[13:13] <DonOregano> genqho: Yeah, I agree! And I can see that Snaps would be useful for a "finished product" based on my SDK. I may look in to that as a suggestion for one of my users. But that wasn't really what I was after today.
[13:13] <pitti> ogra_: so if it's that driver, that would explain it
[13:13] <ogra_> pitti, yeah, no PCIe on my boards here :)
[13:13] <pitti> well, at least half of it; if it's down and you have a config then it should still be brought up
[13:13] <pitti> ok, that's the only one I'm aware of
[13:13] <ogra_> pitti, i see it in a Pi3 ...
[13:13] <ogra_> which is bradcom wlan
[13:14] <DonOregano> genqho: Today I was after getting out of maintaining separate packaging for Ubuntu, Debian, RHEL/Centos and Arch, etc.
[13:14] <ogra_> ogra@pi3:~$ lsmod
[13:14] <ogra_> Module                  Size  Used by
[13:14] <ogra_> brcmfmac              282624  0
[13:14] <ogra_> brcmutil               20480  1 brcmfmac
[13:14] <ogra_> cfg80211              548864  1 brcmfmac
[13:14] <ogra_> pitti, but that could indeed also die due to bind/unbind loops
[13:15] <qengho> DonOregano: Cool. We'll be here when you're ready. IF the sdk always builds in the user's $HOME, it could fit, but I can imagine build bots in /data and such not working.
[13:16] <DonOregano> qengho: But if snaps are not suited for exposing APIs in C++/Java/C# to developers then I will stay where I am.
[13:17] <DonOregano> qengho: Thanks. I'll keep checking out where things are headed with Snaps. I do like the idea...
[13:17] <qengho> DonOregano: Snaps aren't that specifically restricted. It could do all that, but it would have an opinion about where it is allowed to write, which is a feature, and possibly hated by some fraction of your users.
[13:18] <qengho> DonOregano: So, not now. Yes, try again later.
[13:18] <DonOregano> qengho: Hehe. Yeah, I would really like to avoid aggravating my users with "newfangled stuff" :-)
[13:20] <ppisati> ogra_: can you open me a bug for that? my rpi3 is still dead, but i can start looking at it (and then we keep track of it)
[13:23] <ogra_> ppisati, bug 1637505
[13:23] <mup> Bug #1637505: power error under ubuntu core when running console-conf <Snappy:New> <linux-raspi2 (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637505>
[13:24] <mup> Bug #1637505 opened: power error under ubuntu core when running console-conf <Snappy:New> <linux-raspi2 (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637505>
[13:43] <Son_Goku> zyga: https://github.com/zyga/snapcore-fedora/pull/10
[13:43] <mup> PR zyga/snapcore-fedora#10: Refresh patches for snapd spec <Created by Conan-Kudo> <https://github.com/zyga/snapcore-fedora/pull/10>
[13:58] <tsdgeos_> hi, there, how is one supposed to debug a snappy program?
[13:59] <tsdgeos_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23392842/ is what i get at the moment
[14:04] <tsdgeos_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/783979/how-do-i-debug-snaps
[14:05] <tsdgeos_> not sure that helps me
[14:05] <tsdgeos_> let's try
[14:24] <dobey> tsdgeos_: afaik, debugging something in a snap is mostly the same as debugging something not in a snap, it's just that the logs and locations of various things are all different; and you can't debug symbols from .debs necessarily
[14:25] <tsdgeos_> dobey: well, i can't gdb it
[14:25] <tsdgeos_> so debuggin it is not "as you would do it without a snap"
[14:25] <tsdgeos_> unless people don't use a debugger to debug stuff nowadays :D
[14:26] <dobey> tsdgeos_: why can't you gdb it?
[14:26] <ogra_> you can, but you need to ship gdb inside your snap
[14:26] <tsdgeos_> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23392842/
[14:26] <tsdgeos_> ogra_: lol
[14:26] <tsdgeos_> very useful :D
[14:26] <ogra_> then you can use "snap run --shell $app_in_the_snap"
[14:26] <dobey> ogra_: or use the classic snap or be running on a classic system?
[14:27] <ogra_> that gives you a shell you can run gdb in
[14:27] <ogra_> dobey, the classic snap only works on all-snap systems, but yeah, thats possible too
[14:27] <ogra_> apt install gdb and attach to the pid
[14:27] <ogra_> (dont try to install the classic snap on a classic system ... wont work)
[14:28] <dobey> ogra_: right, i'm saying that's an option if you're doing that. if you're on a classic system, gdb from the host should be usable. the main issue is getting the env set up and running the right thing
[14:28] <ogra_> i dont think gdb from the host will work, apparmor and seccomp will get in your way
[14:28] <dobey> i mean, running gdb from the host, not from within a shell in the confined snap
[14:29] <ogra_> yes, me too :)
[14:29] <dobey> ie SNAP=/snap/foo/8 gdb /snap/foo/8/bin/baz
[14:29] <ogra_> anyway, since you need debug symbols anyway, i'd just build a debug snap with gdb included and use snap run
[14:30] <Croepha> is there a way to put the /init that resided in the initrd into a debug/verbose mode? i built a kernel using snapcraft, and its behaving differently than the vanilla binary does... it boots to systemd and I can get a debug shell, but its like the system doesn't fully come up, and if I boot with init=/bin/bash then the environment is pretty different upon boot, my custom kernel has a bunch of /tmpmnt_.... left on the root, while the vanilla version
[14:30] <Croepha>  looks like it swapped root correctly....
[14:31] <ogra_> Croepha, put "break=bottom (or =top or =premount) on your kernel cmdline ... that gives yoou a shell iside the initrd
[14:31] <ogra_> if you ctrl-d it moves on with the boot
[14:33] <Croepha> ogra_: ok cool thanks, i'll give that a try
[14:34] <Croepha> the only thing I can think of, unless there is an error, is just to extract both the initrds and diff them
[14:35] <ogra_> they should hopefully be 100% identical (apart from the modules shipped)
[14:42] <mup> PR snapd#2228 opened: Allow fwupdmgr refresh <Created by timchen119> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2228>
[14:43] <Croepha> wow, looks like break=top did the trick, it stopped on an error
[14:44] <Pharaoh_Atem> zyga: ping
[14:51] <Croepha> maybe it doesn't have anything to do with the contents of the initrd...
[14:52] <Croepha> im getting a "No such file or directory" fir /tmpmnt_writable/system-data/var/lib/snapd/snaps/core_324.snap
[14:53] <Croepha> my vanilla version has a "ubuntu-core_758.snap"
[14:53] <ogra_> that sounds like your ubuntu-imae is very outdated
[14:53] <ogra_> ubuntu-core is dead, new images should all be using "core"
[14:53] <Croepha> ahh ok
[14:54] <ogra_> (we still build ubuntu-core but only for classic installs until there is a proper migration path)
[14:54] <ogra_> so snap refresh your ubuntu-image snap ;)
[14:55]  * ogra_ goes afk for a while
[14:55] <vigo> pitti, what I asked ogra_is if once the network configuration is done, it's saved in a way that reboot will keep changes?
[14:55] <Croepha> ogra_ Thanks!
[14:56] <Pharaoh_Atem> has anyone seen zyga today?
[14:56] <vigo> pitti, will it save the access point name so there is no need to enter it again after reboot
[15:03] <pitti> vigo: no, it should be saved somewhere in /etc/netplan/*.yaml
[15:06] <bzoltan> ogra_:  do we have separate image for RPi3?
[15:06] <ogra_> bzoltan, yes, the one with pi3 in the name
[15:07] <bzoltan> ogra_:  where does it live? Not listed here - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[15:07] <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snapcraft/2016-October/001463.html
[15:07] <vigo> pitti, yes, that's what ogra_ told me, so we must re-enter the whole network config if console-conf did not finish?
[15:07] <ogra_> you should really read your mails
[15:07] <pitti> vigo: I don't knwo that part
[15:08] <bzoltan> ogra_: danke
[15:08] <ogra_> np :)
[15:11] <Pharaoh_Atem> elopio: I'm not sure how to write unit tests for https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/870
[15:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#870: sources: Add RPM source <Created by Conan-Kudo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/870>
[15:12] <Pharaoh_Atem> I have integration tests but I don't have a unit test for it
[15:12] <Pharaoh_Atem> the integration test works, btw
[15:13] <vigo> pitti, after wlan0 config I pressed done, and reboot before typing the e-mail. This way seems to work fine because after reboot it remembers the wi-fi ap, IP etc
[15:13] <vigo> so fine for me :)
[15:15] <Trevinho> hey, If I set a package in stage-packages, is there a way to ensure that the recomends for that hare pulled too?
[15:18] <qengho> Trevinho: I don't think so. Why not an explicit depends, if it's a hard requirement for you?
[15:31] <Trevinho> qengho: well, of course I can, but having a flag that allows to do that would be nicer :-)
[15:31] <Trevinho> than listing all the packages that might change with time...
[15:32] <Croepha> woah, i updated ubuntu-image and my output file is way smaller than before, either this is a really cool feature, or my stuff is borken now
[15:36] <bzoltan> ogra_:  is there a way to create custom core image with certain pre-configured network profile?
[15:37] <Croepha> bzoltan: im sure there is a better way to do it, but what I have been doing is mounting the image and adding a script to run on a first boot to set the network config
[15:38] <mup> PR snapd#2229 opened: interfaces/sytemd: enable/disable generated service units <Created by morphis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2229>
[15:38] <bzoltan> Croepha: that would make the job for me :) Do you have that script to share? - sans credentials of course :)
[15:43] <jdstrand> morphis__ (cc niemeyer): notice my updated comment: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2228#issuecomment-256955020
[15:43] <mup> PR snapd#2228: Allow fwupdmgr refresh <Critical> <Created by timchen119> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2228>
[15:44] <jdstrand> morphis__: so I backed out my approval after thinking about it
[15:44] <morphis__> jdstrand: aye, didn't looked much into it yet, just got that from Tim
[15:45] <jdstrand> morphis__: if you guys go the plugs route, then I'll need to adjust the snap declaration (which I'm happy to do)
[15:45] <morphis__> jdstrand: I am not really sure why Tim added it on the plug side
[15:46]  * jdstrand nods
[15:47] <Croepha> bzoltan, I haven't tested this on uptodated core yet, still trying to get my custom kernel working, but this is what I did: https://gist.github.com/croepha/d006ec1f62dd4dcb1774c5116d1cebff
[15:48] <Croepha> also, I kinda quickly just through that together so, hopefully it has everything you need and isn't messed up... let me know if you need help
[15:50] <Croepha> bzoltan: basically sudo touch ${DIR4_}/custom_image/system-data/var/lib/console-conf/complete prevents the normal ubuntu config from running
[15:51] <Croepha> bzoltan: and cat <<EOF | sudo tee ${DIR4_}/custom_image/system-data/etc/network/interfaces.d/wlan0 writes the network config
[16:00] <mup> PR snapd#2230 opened: Add an interface that allows clients to use media-hub over dbus <Created by jhodapp> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2230>
[16:05] <bzoltan> Croepha: cool, thank you. I will try that
[16:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#878 opened: Added a fix for cases where modpbrobe append options to the line, ie.… <Created by croepha> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/878>
[16:35] <josharenson> So I've added a package to my snaps build-packages. How do I get snapcraft to pull that? Snapcraft pull <part> doesn't seem to work and I can't tell if the package is broken or if it was never pulled...
[16:45] <josharenson> it doesn't seem to be pulling any of the "build-packages" is there a way to debug this?
[16:47] <bzoltan> Croepha:  the file system layout is rather different with the RPi3 latest image -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23393529/
[16:48] <kyrofa> josharenson, build-packages are installed on the host-- you realize this?
[16:49] <Croepha> bzoltan, the systemd/network dirs might not exist before first boot
[16:49] <mup> Bug #1637445 changed: The serial vault fails to connect to serial-vault.canonical.com <Snappy:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637445>
[16:49] <bzoltan> Croepha: Ahh... so I better play with the once booted images.
[16:50] <Croepha> that might be a good place to start, but if you actually just create the dirs after building the image that works too
[16:53] <josharenson> kyrofa: yeah, I think its actually just, yet another,  path issue
[17:07] <mup> Bug #1637596 opened: Configure hook in tried snap with ecryptfs: permission denied <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637596>
[17:21] <Croepha> well, even after updating ubuntu-image i still have a problem, it looks like with my custom kernel, there is a problem with mounting the fs for boot.... IO charset iso8859-1 not found... going to compare the kernel configs now
[17:23] <ogra_> Croepha, you wand vfat builtin ... (and the right nls codepage for iso8859-1)
[17:29] <bzoltan> Croepha:  yeps, just creating that wlan0 file did the trick. Thanks for your help.
[17:29] <Croepha> bzoltan: ok, no proble,
[17:29] <Croepha> no problem*
[17:29] <bzoltan> ogra_:  lame question... how can I turn this beast to be in a dev mode. I would like to apt stuff there
[17:30] <Croepha> bzoltan: are you use that DNS is working, i had to start a systemd-resolve service tooo
[17:30] <ogra_> you cant ... you can install the classic snap to have a classic "chroot"
[17:30] <ogra_> sudo snap install classic --devmode --edge
[17:30] <ogra_> then: sudo classic
[17:30] <ogra_> that sets it up and gives you a shell where you can use apt
[17:31] <bzoltan> ogra_:  cool, thanks
[17:31] <bzoltan> ogra_:  I guess I need a classic env in order to snapcraft projects for armhf locally
[17:32] <ogra_> yep
[17:34]  * ogra_ vanishes again
[17:37] <Croepha> ogra_ so the kernel I built has CONFIG_VFAT_FS=y CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_CODEPAGE=437 CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET="iso8859-1" which seems to match the vanilla kernel
[17:38] <Croepha> im going to double check to make sure I didn't like bundle the wrong kernel or something really stupid
[18:04] <Croepha> it looks like nls_iso8859-1 is a module in the vanilla kernel, and I guess I just forgot to include that one
[18:04] <Croepha> building a new snap now, hopefully this time it works
[18:50] <mup> Bug #1637611 opened: UTF-8 local via ssh is poorly handled <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637611>
[19:40] <tealeg> yes
[21:52] <barry> what's the current blessed way of defining the license for a snap?  the docs still talk about a `license:` key in snapcraft.yaml, but snapcraft says that's deprecated and if it's included you get an error on second and subsequent builds
[21:55] <barry> oh, i found the discussion in the mailing list.  docs are lagging
[21:55] <barry> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snapcraft/2016-September/000978.html


[00:03] <coldpizza72i> how can i find my graphics card installed
[00:04] <Sysi> lspci | grep VGA
[00:11] <charlie-tca> use the grub menu, recovery menu, fsck from the menu or root, whichever is available
[00:27] <coldpizza72i> i just installed xubuntu on a drive but cant find the drive in my bios to fix the boot sequence.....is that because my bios will only show bootable drives? do i have to put a live cd up again and make it bootable?
[00:28] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, bios wont care about that
[00:29] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: any idea why the drive wont show up?
[00:30] <Soupermanito> it should, unless you are talking about partitions
[00:31] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: only my new sata drive and dvd drive show
[00:31] <Soupermanito> and you have another drive?
[00:31] <coldpizza72i> yep
[00:31] <Soupermanito> mmm, ide?
[00:32] <coldpizza72i> yea
[00:32] <Soupermanito> on the same ide cable that the dvd?
[00:32] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: not sure... its a mess back there
[00:33] <Soupermanito> XD ok, check that if its on the same cable, that your HDD its jumpered to be MASTER and the DVD to SLAVE
[00:36] <coldpizza72i> uhh
[00:37] <Soupermanito> :) yes, thats a bit of a problem ifyou don't know what you are doing
[00:37] <Soupermanito> anyway, it should appear on your BIOS
[00:38] <Soupermanito> if you installed grub correctly it would not matter because grub should have installed on the first hard drive anyway
[00:39] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: ohh well when i start my computer i jest get
[00:39] <coldpizza72i> GRUB _
[00:39] <coldpizza72i> and the underscore blinks
[00:40] <Soupermanito> oh, and you just installed xubuntu?
[00:40] <coldpizza72i> yea
[00:41] <Soupermanito> weeeelll you could try to reinstall it and be sure about what grub does, i mean to install in on /dev/sda
[00:41] <Soupermanito> tho Sysi KM0201 they could give some opinion here
[00:46] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: if i install windows instead im going to run into the same problem with the boot sequence right?
[00:46] <Soupermanito> it should yes, but its a shame
[00:46] <Soupermanito> :(
[00:47] <Soupermanito> fidling whit grub can be quite bothering
[00:47] <igna_> Hi, I am trying to connect wirelessly my xubuntu 10.04 with my laptop w7 to share files and printer, Can anybody help me?
[00:47] <Soupermanito> igna_, sure thing
[00:47] <igna_> Lets go.
[00:48] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: ill try to fix grub... let me put the live cd back in
[00:48] <Soupermanito> igna_, :) wait a moment please
[00:51] <igna_> I have installed samba like the manual says, and probed and ad-hoc connections starting in xubuntu(wireless net open named fifi). The w7 shows me that i am connected to fifi, but cant find the pc , neither xubuntu
[00:53] <KM0201> Soupermanito: opinion on what
[00:53] <coldpizza72i> ok so my first hard drive i literally just plugged in and havent done anything with it.... my 3rd hard drive is what im trying to install the os on
[00:54] <Soupermanito> yes coldpizza72i but grub needs to be on the first drive
[00:54] <KM0201> Soupermanito: not necessarily
[00:54] <KM0201> it just needs to be on the first boot device.
[00:54] <KM0201> could be a usb, or an internal drive, floppy, etc
[00:54] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: so my current config is a problem?....theres no way around that?
[00:55] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: what exactly is your issue?
[00:55] <Soupermanito> yeah, well he cant put his 3rd drive as first boot, thatas why om saying he needs to install grub on the first drive his boot will look on
[00:55] <coldpizza72i> grub KM0201
[00:55] <KM0201> ok.. why can't you put your third drive to boot first?
[00:55] <coldpizza72i> it doesnt show up in the boot sequence
[00:56] <KM0201> IDE or sata?(are the other drives IDE or sata?)
[00:56] <coldpizza72i> wait
[00:56] <coldpizza72i> its ide
[00:56] <KM0201> all 3?
[00:57] <coldpizza72i> no the other 2 are sata
[00:57] <KM0201> ok.
[00:57] <Soupermanito> igna_, you have installed a graphic handler of samba? i like pyNeighborhood myself
[00:57] <coldpizza72i> i cant remember what my dvd drive is
[00:57] <KM0201> .. probably sata would be my guess..
[00:57] <Soupermanito> probably IDE be my guess
[00:58] <igna_> Firestarter helps?
[00:58] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: i think its sata but im unsure....how can i check without openeing
[00:58] <KM0201> Soupermanito: meh.. depends on the age of the PC.
[00:58] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: do you have x-ray vision?
[00:58] <coldpizza72i> fine ill open
[00:58] <KM0201> :)
[00:59] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: while you're in there....
[00:59] <Soupermanito> igna_, have you edited your smb.conf so its workgrup is the same that the windows network?
[00:59] <KM0201> check the IDE disk drive, and see where the jumper is set on the drive.. you'll want it set to "Cable Select"
[00:59] <Soupermanito> D: CABLE SELECT!
[00:59] <coldpizza72i> its sata KM0201
[01:00] <KM0201> Soupermanito: ?
[01:00] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: ok, did you check the IDE drive .. and make sure the jumper is on cable select?
[01:01] <coldpizza72i> i just turned off my pc 1 sec
[01:01] <igna_> No, where can I find it? I am installing pyNeighborhook
[01:01] <KM0201> k
[01:01] <KM0201> Soupermanito: just curious.. why the cable select comment?
[01:02] <Soupermanito> because IDE's cable selects cables are so weird i haven't ever seen one working, you need to put it on master, or slave, not select, it would only work if the cable is seted up to select it self the slave or master condition
[01:02] <KM0201> i've never had an issue w/ cable select... used it many, many, MANY times
[01:03] <Soupermanito> igna_, sudo mousepad /etc/samba/smb.conf
[01:04] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: is the jumper config the same on all drives... or do i have to pull it out and look at the diagram
[01:05] <Soupermanito> pull it out
[01:05] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: unfortunately, you'll probably have to pull it out and look, unless you can contort your head/case to see the diagram.. (or if you know the drive model, you can google it)
[01:05] <Soupermanito> or look in the internets for the model
[01:05] <igna_> Soupermanito, WORKGROUP in both computer
[01:05]  * Soupermanito higfives KM0201 for hivemind!
[01:05] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: its on cable select
[01:05] <Soupermanito> :) great now it should work igna_
[01:05] <Soupermanito> :D
[01:06] <KM0201> ok...
[01:06] <KM0201> try booting the PC (leave the side of the case off for a minute.
[01:06] <KM0201> and go into the BIOS>
[01:06] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, if you like me more than KM0201 put it on master!
[01:06] <KM0201> yeah, putting it on Master.. i mean, can't hurt, but i don't think its gonna change anything.
[01:07] <KM0201> i'll gladly eat shoeleather if i'm wrong
[01:07] <Soupermanito> mmm shoeleather soup
[01:07] <igna_> Soupermanito, I will try
[01:07]  * KM0201 asks someone to pass the salt
[01:08] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: k ill change it and boot
[01:13] <Soupermanito> :( i dislike when people leave whitout telling if it worked or not, its like all the work one does here means nothing
[01:14] <KM0201> that is very anoying
[01:14] <KM0201> brb
[01:15] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: its in the bios boot sequence!
[01:17] <coldpizza72i> now with grub the way i had it im getting error 21....should i reinstall the os or just try to fix grub in the live cd
[01:17] <Soupermanito> i recomend reinstalling, will be easier, and probably faster
[01:17] <Soupermanito> :)
[01:18] <Soupermanito> if you had information to recover or settings and such then the other option would be better, but its a fresh install
[01:18] <KM0201> probably.
[01:19] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: i'd reinstall, do the "advanced" partition tool, and target grub at your IDE drive... then set the IDE as first, and you should be good.
[01:19] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: k
[01:20] <Soupermanito> yes ide drives usually have a name like /dev/hd*   while sata have like /dev/sd*
[01:21] <KM0201> yup
[01:21] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: just pay attention, and make sure grub goes to hd... or this will all be for naught, cuz it will probably default to sda
[01:22] <KM0201> Soupermanito: well, you were right on that one.. i've never had an issue w/ Cable Select.. glad it was that simple though
[01:23] <Soupermanito> I have never used cable select unless it comes like that and its just one drive, but even then i set it up to master and the dvd/cd to slave
[01:23] <coldpizza72i> all my drives are sd...
[01:23] <coldpizza72i> i know which is which tho
[01:24] <coldpizza72i> i can just erase and use the entire disk KM0201 right?
[01:25] <coldpizza72i> its not at this step i use the (advanced) specify partitions manually
[01:25] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: no... i would do the advanced, and set the partition up manually
[01:25] <KM0201> that way you can make absolute sure, that grub goes onto the IDE drive
[01:26] <coldpizza72i> how should i set up the partitions KM0201
[01:26] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: well.. how i do it (there's obviously varying opinion on this)...
[01:27] <KM0201> partition 1.. Primary, Beginning, Size (2-3x your physical ram.. 1gig of ram, 3gigs)... use as Swap area
[01:27] <KM0201> after that....
[01:28] <KM0201> on the free space again, Primary, Beginning, Size (whatever the max is), use as: ext4, mount point :   /
[01:28] <KM0201> then at the bottom, make sure the "boot loader" is going to be installed to your IDE drive...
[01:28] <KM0201> if that all checks out, click install now.
[01:30] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: theres no bootloader options yet
[01:30] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: its at the bottom of the "advanced partition tool"
[01:30] <KM0201> the very bottom.
[01:30] <KM0201> you'll have to see it before you click Install now.
[01:32] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: it just says [New Partition Table] [Add...] [Change...] [Delete] [Revert]
[01:32] <KM0201> ok, do you see your "HD" drive there?
[01:33] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: at the very bottom, you should see a "drop down bar".. that says "Boot loader options"
[01:33] <coldpizza72i> all my harddrive names start with sd
[01:34] <KM0201> ok... thats a little weird, do you see all 3 of them?
[01:35] <coldpizza72i> yes
[01:35] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: can you distinguish which one is the "IDE" drive?
[01:35] <coldpizza72i> yes KM0201
[01:36] <KM0201> ok, does it have any current partitions on it?
[01:36] <coldpizza72i> the ones i just added
[01:36] <KM0201> ok, and what did you add, swap and /  ?
[01:36] <lemraish> hej, folks, has anybody here experienced the bug with "don't show this message again" network managers notifications? a workaround?
[01:36] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: yes
[01:36] <KM0201> ok.
[01:36] <KM0201> now, below the "drives" on the bottom left i think, it should say "Boot loader options"
[01:36] <KM0201> do you see that?
[01:37] <coldpizza72i> nope
[01:37] <KM0201> that doesn't make sense
[01:37] <KM0201> you've got 3 drives, and no option to choose which drive you're installing to?
[01:37] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: what version of xubuntu are you installing?
[01:38] <coldpizza72i> hmm
[01:38] <coldpizza72i> im in the prepare partitions screen
[01:38] <KM0201> right...
[01:38] <lemraish> anybody?
[01:38] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, do your box has internet?
[01:39] <Soupermanito> lemraish, nope
[01:39] <coldpizza72i> yea
[01:39] <KM0201> sorry lemraish no clue
[01:39] <Soupermanito> take a screenshot and imagebin it
[01:39] <Soupermanito> !imagebin
[01:39] <KM0201> agree... cuz it should be there
[01:39] <KM0201> Soupermanito: i'm not imaigining things, right?.. :)
[01:40] <Soupermanito> :P yes, yes you are, actually no but i don't really know how the installer for 11.04 looks like
[01:40] <KM0201> Soupermanito: just like the insaller for 10.10.. :)
[01:40] <Soupermanito> and, i have never installed 10.10
[01:40] <Soupermanito> hence the problem KM0201
[01:41] <KM0201> Soupermanito: thats why i'm curious if he's using the 10.04 or maybe even 9.10 installer, cuz i don't think that option to select where the boot loader goes, came until 10.10.
[01:41] <KM0201> i'll be back in just a sec
[01:41] <lemraish> Soupermanito, i will have to disconnect my wifi to do this and get off from irc client :-) instead, that's the screenshot from posted on ubuntu forums http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1268/notificationse.png
[01:41] <Soupermanito> igna_, does it worked?
[01:41] <Soupermanito> i cant see imageshacks
[01:42] <lemraish> ok, then a sec
[01:42] <Soupermanito> i always get this http://imageshack.us/img/blocked_login.jpg
[01:42] <coldpizza72i> Soupermanito: what can you see
[01:43] <Soupermanito> !imagebin
[01:43] <Soupermanito> or anyother image hosting site
[01:43] <lemraish> ok
[01:44] <KM0201> lemraish: thats weird.. never saw anything like that
[01:44] <KM0201> lemraish: but its something to do w/ notification area, or maybe indicator applet.. and you need to find what is alerting you, and turn it off, (or turn it "down" to not be so sensitive about notifying you)
[01:44] <coldpizza72i> http://imagebin.org/154422
[01:45] <coldpizza72i> there it is
[01:45] <coldpizza72i> is not *
[01:46] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, you installin 10.04?
[01:47] <coldpizza72i> i dont know
[01:47] <coldpizza72i> is that the newest?
[01:47] <Soupermanito> nope the newest is 11.04
[01:47] <coldpizza72i> why do you ask 10.04?
[01:48] <Soupermanito> because the installer for 10.04 looks like yours, and the one for 11.04 should look differently
[01:49] <coldpizza72i> yea its not the newest one
[01:49] <Soupermanito> i remark the SHOULD
[01:49] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: because that option onj where to install the bootloader, was not present in 10.04
[01:49] <coldpizza72i> im not sure the number
[01:49] <coldpizza72i> ohhh
[01:49] <Soupermanito> :P
[01:49] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: close the installer
[01:49] <KM0201> and open a terminal
[01:49] <KM0201> and type "lsb_release -a" (make sure there's a space after release)
[01:50] <KM0201> i bet you're usin 10.04, maybe even 9.10
[01:51] <lemraish> Soupermanito, http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05222011-044626am.php
[01:52] <coldpizza72i> 9.10
[01:52] <lemraish> Soupermanito, sometimes it even exceeds the screen
[01:53] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, thats old, 2 yeas old
[01:53] <coldpizza72i> it was new when i burned it lol
[01:53] <Soupermanito> XD
[01:53] <Soupermanito> get a new iso :P
[01:53] <coldpizza72i> i dont know if i can find another disk let me see
[01:54] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, do you have a pendrive?
[01:54] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: seriously, thats gonna be end of life very shortly (if its not already) grab an 11.04 ISO
[01:55] <coldpizza72i> yea how big do i need
[01:55] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: 1gig should be fine.
[01:55] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: can that machine boot USB?
[01:55] <coldpizza72i> probably its relatively new
[01:55] <KM0201> if it can, then this is a simple matter
[01:56] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: relatively new, and you shoved an IDE drive in there?  :).. seriously, yeah, download the xubuntu 11.04 ISO.. then we'll get you some instructions to upt it on USB>
[01:56] <KM0201> then boot the USB, just like you would a cd, and install
[01:56] <KM0201> are you using windows now?
[01:56] <Soupermanito> lemraish, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750183
[01:56] <coldpizza72i> the HD is not realively new lol the machine is though
[01:56] <Soupermanito> :( it seems thats a problem, forst time i hear about it tho
[01:56] <coldpizza72i> no mac
[01:56] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: just kidding :)  thats how i learned linux to actually.. (old hard drive, new machine)
[01:57] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: ewwwwww.. macs are a pain in the freakin rear to create USB's
[01:57] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: do you have access to windows of any kind?
[01:57] <coldpizza72i> nope
[01:57] <KM0201> hmm
[01:57] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: so the machine your'e dual booting, its a Mac?
[01:57] <lemraish> Soupermanito, thanks a lot. )
[01:58] <KM0201> cuz dual booting a mac, i believe is a little different than dual booting w/ windows
[01:58] <coldpizza72i> im on my laptop no dual boot
[01:58] <Soupermanito> lemraish, ask in #xfce
[01:58] <Soupermanito> they might know
[01:58] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: ok, what OS is on those other two hard drives ? (or ar they just data drives?)
[01:58] <KM0201> bin_bash: u around?
[01:59] <coldpizza72i> 1 is literally brand new the other is linux that i never boot into i think
[01:59] <Soupermanito> KM0201, unetbootin works on mac's
[01:59] <KM0201> Soupermanito: does it?
[01:59] <KM0201> well heck, then thats a winner winner chicken dinner
[01:59] <Soupermanito> yep
[01:59] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[02:00] <KM0201> go there and download the one for Mac... and start it, point it at your thumb drive, then tell it you want 11.04.. it'll do everything for you.
[02:00] <KM0201> (download, install, etc..)
[02:00] <bin_bash> yeah
[02:00] <lemraish> Soupermanito, thanks, i'll try, but i heard somewhere it's just an ubuntu issue.
[02:00] <bin_bash> shwta sup
[02:00] <bin_bash> i went to cook some watwr
[02:01] <KM0201> bin_bash: lol, i was gonna tell you this mactard needed help creating a USB.. but i guess mac's can create USB's now, you just can't boot them on Mac's..lol
[02:01] <bin_bash> yeah
[02:01] <bin_bash> duh
[02:01] <Soupermanito> well... never heard about it and it affects the xfce-notifyd so... ask anyway lemraish
[02:01] <KM0201> that is some epic fail there.. :)
[02:01] <bin_bash> you can boot it on a mac
[02:01] <bin_bash> but it's annoying
[02:01] <bin_bash> and i dont
[02:02] <KM0201> be a way to save cd's though
[02:02] <bin_bash> yeah but like
[02:02] <bin_bash> it doesn't always work
[02:02] <bin_bash> and i'd have to install rEFIt
[02:02] <bin_bash> and fuck that
[02:02] <coldpizza72i> i wish i downloaded that at school...would of took like 10sec
[02:02] <Soupermanito> XD
[02:03] <KM0201> bin_bash: ahem.. (you're in an ubuntu channel now..lol)
[02:03] <bin_bash> oh
[02:03] <bin_bash> whoops
[02:03] <KM0201> you'll have to forgive her.. she's a little rough around the edges
[02:03] <bin_bash> i get caught up
[02:03] <bin_bash> ^
[02:03] <Soupermanito> bin_bash, mind your tongue
[02:04] <bin_bash> I apolgize
[02:04] <Soupermanito> ;)
[02:04] <bin_bash> KM0201 and I are on another network too
[02:04] <bin_bash> and I didn't realize I was in here
[02:04] <KM0201> it should be noted, km0201 doesn't swear on the other network either... i think i'm the only one
[02:04] <KM0201> lol
[02:04] <bin_bash> wait
[02:04] <bin_bash> there's one other
[02:05] <bin_bash> he's just too diplomatic
[02:05] <bin_bash> I'm like the evil side
[02:05] <bin_bash> and he's the nice "now now let's all get along" side
[02:06] <KM0201> lol.. if you only knew.
[02:06] <bin_bash> if only i knew what
[02:06] <owen1> tar -zcvf tmp/output.tar.gz input/ only works as root. with regular user i see 'tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors'. ls -l shows: drwxr-xr-x 2 user1 user1.  any clues?
[02:07] <KM0201> I'm far from the "nice, now now, lets get along" side...lol
[02:08] <Soupermanito> only root has r, you dont owen1
[02:08] <Soupermanito> o thats read
[02:08] <Soupermanito> no idea
[02:11] <lemraish> btw, how do i install themes? i've .tar.gz theme file?
[02:12] <lemraish> just unpack and copy to .themes folder?
[02:16] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: is everything going OK
[02:18] <coldpizza72i> KM0201: 3minutes until download finishes
[02:18] <KM0201> ok.
[02:19] <Soupermanito> D: gods thats fast
[02:19] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: the nice thing about this also.. assuming the machine is connected to the internet/connection recognized, you can set it to download updates/multimedia crap, during install, so when you're installed, you'll be up to date, and have flash, etc.. installed
[02:22] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: also, just in case you're curious... 9.10 is now end of life, which means its no longer supported w/ updates, etc.. so you'd have been wasting your time.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[02:26] <coldpizza72i> rebooting...
[02:27] <KM0201> \o/oot
[02:28] <coldpizza72i> the usb was a success...
[02:28] <KM0201> well thats good.
[02:28] <Soupermanito> :D
[02:28] <KM0201> go ahead and start the installer again.. and when you get to the partition stage, choose "Something Else"... and you'll get a similar window like you had with the other insaller
[02:28] <KM0201> make sure you set it to download updates, an dinstall multimedia "restricted, non free" stuff
[02:29] <KM0201> otherwise, you'll just do it later
[02:29] <KM0201> lol
[02:30] <coldpizza72i> this is interesting.....my "third drive" aka sdc is now called sda
[02:30] <KM0201> hmm
[02:30] <KM0201> are you sure?
[02:31] <coldpizza72i> yep
[02:31] <Soupermanito> coldpizza72i, well you do made it your first boot
[02:32] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: ok, make your partitions like i described above... and at the bottom, you should see "boot loader options".. make sure it goes to sda
[02:32] <KM0201> Soupermanito: but wonder why (if thats the case) 9.10 installer picked it up as sdc
[02:32] <coldpizza72i> sda or sda2?
[02:33] <KM0201> huh?
[02:33] <KM0201> oh, SDA
[02:33] <KM0201> you want it on the root partition, of the drive.
[02:33] <coldpizza72i> just checkin
[02:33] <KM0201> np
[02:33] <KM0201> did yous et your partitions up the same way?
[02:33] <Soupermanito> KM0201, no idea, it hapened to me a few times, if i change the boot order the naming changes on ubu
[02:34] <coldpizza72i> yea
[02:34] <KM0201> weird.
[02:34] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: did you set it to download updates, etc..?
[02:34] <coldpizza72i> mhm
[02:34] <KM0201> ok..
[02:34] <KM0201> the rest is pretty much easy peasy then
[02:44] <coldpizza72i> great success. thanks everyone
[02:46] <KM0201> woot!
[02:46] <KM0201> coldpizza72i: i can't believe that freaking jumper caused that hassle
[02:46] <KM0201> lol
[02:47] <coldpizza72i> yea i dont get it iether
[02:47] <KM0201> Soupermanito: gets credit for that one.. i didn't think it would matter
[03:14] <Soupermanito> anyone on here has xfce4-panel version 4.8.3 ?
[03:14] <Soupermanito> how do you set panels to be on top or on botom using 4.8.3?
[03:15] <KM0201> umm.
[03:15] <KM0201> i thought you right click the panel, choose "panels"... then there was like panel 1, panel 2, etc.. and you chose its orientation
[03:15] <KM0201> or maybe that changed.. actually, now that i think about it, it did.
[03:17] <Soupermanito> well it did im trying to introduce someone to xfce and he wants to set the panels down and i cant tell him how because he is on 4.8.3 and im on 4.6.3
[03:17] <KM0201> hmm
[03:18] <KM0201> can he drag/drop it?
[03:19] <Soupermanito> he did that XD
[03:19] <KM0201> hmm
[03:19] <KM0201> Soupermanito: i think gnome... its hold Ctrl+Drag/Drop
[03:19] <KM0201> tell him to try that
[03:19] <Soupermanito> thats quite not intuitive
[03:20] <Soupermanito> he did it already, dragging
[03:20] <KM0201> oh..lol
[03:20]  * KM0201 scores
[03:50] <EricBlade> could someone explain to me exactly why braile support is included in the default installation? really?
[03:53] <EricBlade> i mean, i udnerstand needing accessibility, but that can't possibly be on the list of "most common things requested"
[03:55] <Soupermanito> why not?
[03:57] <EricBlade> well it can't be enabled before the entire system is installed, and it has to be configured via editing config files, as far as i can tell, so .. why waste a hundred megs for speech and braile support, when probably less than 0.5% of your users are blind?
[03:57] <buff27> that sounds fair enough to me
[03:59] <EricBlade> i thought i'd try xubuntu on my netbook, because kubuntu and even netbook specific releases are really ridiculously monstrous for the application.  so far, it works great, except for one piece of software that is completely locking the computer up .. but i'm going thru deleting allt he junk i don't need .. and there's still a lot of it :D
[04:01] <Soupermanito> :P
[04:01] <Soupermanito> you could try the L flavour then
[04:01] <EricBlade> remove braile, speech synthesis, CUPS, and Foomatic: save 550mb
[04:01] <Guest4431> guys, can there be transparency for some not all active windows? or compiz only?
[04:04] <EricBlade> yay more free space than any other distro so far
[04:04] <EricBlade> and i've got a full compiler set, which i didn't get in any of the others!
[04:05] <Soupermanito> Guest4431, if you enable composition you will have transparencies, no compiz needed
[04:05] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, but not for active windows :)
[04:07] <Guest4431> may be is there way to edit some config files for enabling it for some custom active windows?
[04:09] <Soupermanito> no idea
[04:10] <Guest4431> ok, thank ya
[04:19] <EricBlade> ok, so, if i let my new xubuntu install sit around doing nothing long enough
[04:19] <EricBlade> sometime after the matrix screensaver comes up
[04:20] <EricBlade> it will switch to what appears to be a 3D block-text screensaver, with the machine's name, arch, and time/date on it
[04:20] <EricBlade> and then it freezes the whole machine
[04:20] <Soupermanito> thats bad
[04:21] <EricBlade> any thoughts on what i might look at ?
[04:21] <Soupermanito> you should check your video drivers
[04:21] <buff27> turn off the screen saver :P
[04:22] <Soupermanito> EricBlade, check the screensavers, try one for one to figure out which one is causing the crash, i gues is one whit 3D opengl
[04:24] <EricBlade> i suppose this means i shouldn't remove the "tools for debugging Intel graphics driver" package huh?
[04:26] <Soupermanito> XD
[04:38] <Guest4431> hm, strange emerald doesn't work in my xfce. i enter'd emerald --replace in ccsm windows decorations settings, but emerald doesn't load anyway. any ideas?
[04:39] <rww> !emerald
[04:40] <Guest4431> ubottu, like what? xfwm4 doesn't work with compiz
[04:40] <rww> as I understand it, it works even less in 11.04 than in previous releases, thanks to the new major version of Compiz.
[04:40] <Guest4431> lol
[04:41] <Guest4431> rww, ok, can i force compiz to work with xfwm4?
[04:41] <rww> no idea, sorry
[04:41] <Guest4431> ok
[04:41] <Soupermanito> Guest4431, yes, yes you can!
[04:42] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, :-) how?
[04:42] <Soupermanito> do you have installed compiz correct?
[04:42] <Guest4431> mm, nope. what's that? i only have ccsm
[04:42] <Guest4431> and compiz button
[04:43] <Soupermanito> well open a terminal and write compiz --help
[04:43] <Guest4431> ok
[04:44] <Soupermanito> if you get a lot of options you have compiz installed
[04:44] <Soupermanito> then you simply alt-f2 and write compiz --replace
[04:45] <Guest4431> oops
[04:45] <Guest4431> logged out
[04:45] <Soupermanito> oh
[04:45] <Soupermanito> whats the last you read?
[04:45] <Guest4431> open compiz --help
[04:45] <Guest4431> :-=
[04:45] <Guest4431> )
[04:45] <Guest4431> opened
[04:45] <Queops> Hey guys, I'm jusing xubuntu with win7, how can I hide these system reserved and filesystem icons on my desktop?
[04:46] <Guest4431> queops, open up menu, settings manager
[04:46] <Queops> With/ hiding all the pendrives etc.
[04:46] <Guest4431> then desktop and there display
[04:46] <Guest4431> desktop*
[04:46] <Queops> Ye
[04:47] <Guest4431> there's icons tab
[04:47] <Queops> Filesystem checkbox?
[04:47] <Guest4431> yup
[04:47] <Queops> Hmm actually that was the linux partition, seems the windows ones are removeable devices, bugger
[04:47] <Soupermanito> Guest4431, now do alt-f2 and write compiz --replace and execute
[04:48] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, already tried, it leaves me windows without titlebar
[04:49] <Queops> oi oi
[04:49] <Queops> I had that today
[04:49] <Queops> I ended up reinstalling Xubuntu
[04:49] <Guest4431> Soupermanity, which options in compiz --help could i use to preserve xfwm4, compiz --replace then what?
[04:50] <Queops> Windows with no titlebar, smudged to the top left
[04:50] <Soupermanito> Guest4431, thats because you have your windows borders unchecked on ccsm
[04:50] <Guest4431> mmm
[04:51] <Guest4431> i'll see now
[04:53] <Guest4431> mm, nope, windows decoration checkbox is enabled.
[04:54] <Soupermanito> Guest4431, if you run compiz simply?
[04:55] <Guest4431> yup. i press alt+f2 then compiz --replace
[04:55] <Soupermanito> no
[04:55] <Soupermanito> whitout replace, just compiz
[04:56] <Guest4431> aaa
[04:56] <Guest4431> a sec
[04:57] <Guest4431> nothing happens )))
[04:57] <Soupermanito> oh sheet
[04:58] <Soupermanito> so if you now run xfwm4 you get your borders back, correct?
[04:58] <feyd> all of a sudden, I can't drag and move any of my desktop icons
[04:58] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, yes ))
[04:58] <Guest4431> but without compiz, of course
[04:59] <Guest4431> wait. may be i should disable xfce compositing before compiz command?
[04:59] <Guest4431> nope
[04:59] <Guest4431> doesn't make it, too
[05:01] <Soupermanito> Guest4431, do you have installed the compiz-decorator-gtk?
[05:02] <Guest4431> no such package
[05:02] <Soupermanito> mmm
[05:03] <Soupermanito> its called libdecoration0 now
[05:03] <Soupermanito> XD
[05:03] <Guest4431> :-D
[05:04] <Guest4431> yup, this one is installed already
[05:04] <Soupermanito> oh, it should work then
[05:04] <Soupermanito> :(
[05:04] <Soupermanito> tried installing the fusion-icon?
[05:04] <Guest4431> yup, installed already
[05:05] <Guest4431> may be use indirect rendering?
[05:05] <Soupermanito> can't you choose ther your windows decorator?
[05:05] <Guest4431> i can
[05:06] <Soupermanito> and?
[05:06] <Guest4431> but no effect. i'll try now again
[05:07] <feyd> I did a clean format of xubuntu, but randomly starting with this latest restart, I'm completely unable to move any desktop icons
[05:10] <Guest4431> no effect. or i have effects enabled, but without xfwm, or i have xfwm with it's own compositing... vicious circle
[05:16] <Guest4431> feyd, did u do anything before restart?
[05:16] <Soupermanito> sorry Guest4431 XD i broke stuff trying to find out how to help you
[05:17] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, u mean logged out? don't brake anything -)
[05:17] <Soupermanito> XD ihad to log out because i lost control of the keyboard focus so i couldnt restart the xfwm4
[05:18] <Soupermanito> so i killed x from a tty
[05:18] <feyd> Guest4431: nope, nothing's changed. I encountered the same issues after upgrading from 10.10 with no provocation, formatted to fix it, which it did, then it just happened again
[05:18] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, sorry -)
[05:18] <Soupermanito> not a problem it was me trying metacity XD
[05:18] <feyd> Guest4431: haven't done anything, clicking + dragging just shows the rectangle selection like the icons arent there, but they do get selected on click and click+drag
[05:20] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, i tried metacity, too, but it doesn't work with effects, too. can only run it standalone. )))
[05:20] <Soupermanito> i have enables composition on xfce and then enabled compiz and it works
[05:23] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, mmm, ok, how exactly did u enable compiz after?
[05:23] <Guest4431> feyd, so u can't see ur icons?
[05:23] <Soupermanito> just write compiz on the alt-f2 launcher
[05:25] <Guest4431> Soupermanito, no effect again. ok, i'll try to do smth else
[05:25] <Guest4431> a sec
[05:26] <feyd> Guest4431: I see them fine, visually everything is the same
[05:26] <feyd> Guest4431: when I just click them, that's fine too
[05:27] <feyd> Guest4431: it's when I click on one and drag it to move it that it is unresponsive
[05:29] <Guest4431> hm, strange. so u can't drag them
[05:31] <feyd> not at all
[05:32] <feyd> worked fine just yesterday, it's ridiculous
[05:32] <feyd> the way it seems is that it would be common, since i'm not doing anything different
[05:32] <feyd> i find nothing though
[05:33] <buff27> I just love xubuntu
[05:33] <Guest4431> hm, well, unfortunately i don't know answer fot this, but stay on channel and ask one more time in 30 mins if nobody responds, feyd.
[05:33] <Soupermanito> feyd, because its a weird problem
[05:33] <Soupermanito> try reloging in
[05:35] <feyd> Soupermanito: tried last few times it happened with no luck (before the format), so I'll try it again, certainly won't do any harm
[05:40] <Soupermanito> feyd,
[05:40] <Soupermanito> you there?
[05:41] <feyd> Soupermanito: yes, I'm here
[05:42] <feyd> Soupermanito: going to re-login unless you need me for something right now
[05:42] <Soupermanito> go to ~/.config/xfce4/desktop  and check that you have writing access
[05:42] <feyd> Access: read & write
[05:43] <feyd> I can rename items on the desktop
[05:43] <feyd> and cut/paste/move items off it
[05:43] <feyd> just can't move the icons themselves, so bizarre
[05:43] <feyd> brb, restart
[05:45] <feyd> Soupermanito: no luck
[05:45] <Soupermanito> :(
[05:46] <feyd> indeed
[05:46] <Soupermanito> no idea, so weird, ask on #xfce , dont hope for a quick answer
[05:47] <feyd> will do, thanks for the help
[09:48] <bios__> anyone there_
[09:48] <bios__> ?
[09:50] <Sysi> ask question about xubuntu and idling people maybe ansver it after a moment
[09:52] <bios__> ok: In ubuntu you can move windows to the borders of your screen and then they can be maximized over the full screen or the half screen depending to which side. Is there any way to do something like this in xubuntu as well, e.g. due to a plugin
[09:52] <bios__> ?
[09:54] <Sysi> you can get it by running compiz, but you may get problems too
[09:55] <bios__> which kind of problems, it there any other way?
[09:55] <Sysi> you can loose your windoww borders (temporarily) and you need to fiddle a bit with compiz settings
[09:56] <Sysi> but you can try, install compiz and compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:57] <bios__> ok thanks : P I will have a look on it later on
[09:57] <bios__> cya
[10:10] <atanka> hi folks... i am having a small issue with pidgin on my xubuntu natty installation. I'd like to change the icon in the notification area, as i am using tint2 instead of xfce panel. Problem is described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10836066 (although i did not create this thread)
[10:11] <atanka> I tried it the hard way and just remove the icons from /usr/share/icons/... , but this did not work, pidgin then had no icon at all
[10:11] <atanka> question is, how can i get back to the "old" pidgin icon, which indicates that new messages arrived?
[10:33] <bin_bash> atanka, what do you mean
[10:33] <bin_bash> oh i see
[10:34] <bin_bash> just change your icon theme
[10:34] <atanka> where do i do that? in pidgin preferences i just can change the status icon theme, but that does not sound like the correct one?!
[10:35] <bin_bash> no go to settings > Appearance > Icons
[10:38] <atanka> ah ok
[10:38] <atanka> but that will change other icons as well
[10:53] <Arpad2> hello
[10:53] <Arpad2> how to run xfce4-cpufreq plugin?
[10:55] <bin_bash> is there an easy way to change the username that's displayed?
[10:55] <bin_bash> wihtout changing every path everywhere
[10:55] <bin_bash> or no
[10:57] <Sysi> new user
[10:58] <bin_bash> meh
[11:20] <EricBlade> hmm.  my wifi is -extremely- poor in xubuntu compared to my prior installs
[11:25] <Sysi> atheros?
[11:28] <Sysi> this worked for me: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=115173
[11:39] <jozefk> well you were right. kubuntu is ugly if you compare it with xubuntu. and it even works better for me. the xubuntu
[11:40] <jozefk> brb
[11:41] <EricBlade> Sysi: hmm. that doesn't seem to be the symptoms .. i can't auto-connect to anything, and it only works reliably after a cold boot
[11:44] <Sysi> well what card do you have? browse it from output of 'lspci' if you don't know
[11:44] <sagarchalise> hi I cannot ping to my router with a static ip ethernet interface plz help
[11:50] <EricBlade> Sysi: it's an ath5k
[11:53] <psycho_oreos> its basically atheros, ath5k = atheros wireless driver under linux (for non 802.11N capable chipsets nor are connected via USB)
[11:57] <jozefk> is there some dir with wallpapers in xfce just like in gnome and kde?
[14:05] <zylinder> hiya
[14:06] <zylinder> could someone please help me with something?
[14:07] <jozefk> maybe. if we know the problem
[14:07] <zylinder> I'm not the experienced when it comes to xubuntu and I spent the last two days reading about the busybox-bug
[14:07] <zylinder> unfortunately none of the answer provided so far have helped me
[14:07] <zylinder> I installed Xubuntu ~4 days ago
[14:07] <jozefk> anybody knows if it is possible to have gtalk voice chat working in xubuntu?
[14:08] <zylinder> and when I started my notebook on Friday it wouldn't boot properly
[14:08] <zylinder> it just sent me to the busybox ...and that is pretty much my problem
[14:08] <zylinder> :)
[14:09] <jozefk> what is that busybox? why xubuntu stopped booting?
[14:10] <zylinder> I don't kow much about buy box, it's a simple shell
[14:10] <zylinder> and afaik pops up whenever some important drivers couldn't be loaded
[14:10] <zylinder> not sure if that is all there is to it
[14:11] <zylinder> I searched through the forums a bit and people seemed to have that problem in 2008 :(
[14:12] <zylinder> some of them fixed the busyboy problem by adding or deleting stuff from the menu.lst
[14:12] <zylinder> whoops *busybox
[14:13] <TheSheep> jozefk: works for me
[14:14] <TheSheep> zylinder: can you boot in the recovery mode?
[14:14] <TheSheep> zylinder: can you boot older kernel?
[14:15] <zylinder> no
[14:15] <zylinder> when I boot in recovery mode
[14:15] <zylinder> it sends me to the busybox
[14:15] <TheSheep> any message before that?
[14:15] <zylinder> and I don't have to option to boot an older kernel
[14:15] <TheSheep> anything relevant in dmesg?
[14:15] <zylinder> dmesg?
[14:16] <zylinder> sorry, as I said, I'm really a beginner
[14:16] <TheSheep> just type 'dmesg' in that busybox
[14:16] <zylinder> :)
[14:16] <TheSheep> and look at the last 2 or 3 lines
[14:16] <jozefk> I installed xubuntu today :)
[14:16] <zylinder> I cant really. The busy box comes right after I "left" GRUB
[14:16] <jozefk> TheSheep, how it is works?
[14:17] <TheSheep> jozefk: just works as advertised after installing the deb
[14:17] <zylinder> I had to reinstall Xubuntu in order to get everything to boot properly
[14:17] <TheSheep> zylinder: so it's fixed now?
[14:17] <jozefk> you mean I have to download the regular google talk app for linux x64 and install and that's it?
[14:18] <TheSheep> jozefk: not sure about app, I think it's a browser plugin
[14:18] <zylinder> Sheep: well, no. Not really. I reinstalld it twice now and am now a bit scared to reboot :)
[14:18] <zylinder> "Busybox V1.1.13 (Debian 1:1.1.3 -5ubuntu12) Bult-in shell (ash)
[14:18] <zylinder> Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands"
[14:18] <jozefk> browser plugin for voice chat?
[14:18] <TheSheep> zylinder: so it happens every time?
[14:18] <TheSheep> jozefk: yes
[14:18] <zylinder> That is the message I'm getting, just with v1.1.17 instead of 1.1.13
[14:18] <TheSheep> jozefk: on the google talk page
[14:18] <zylinder> Sheep: yes
[14:19] <TheSheep> zylinder: and the install finishes correctly?
[14:19] <zylinder> TheSheep: Yes, I even had the dvd do an integrity check and everyything
[14:19] <zylinder> TheSheep: It also happened quite randomly the first time aound
[14:20] <TheSheep> zylinder: so it doesn't happen every time, but randomly?
[14:20] <TheSheep> zylinder: you can't see any pattern?
[14:21] <zylinder> TheSheep: haha, yes and no. I installed Xubuntu, it was running fine for a few days. One day I turned it on and I found myself being sent to the BusyBox Shell
[14:21] <zylinder> TheSheep: After I tried fixing it, I decided to just reinstall
[14:21] <TheSheep> the busybox usually happens when it fails to mount the root partition
[14:21] <zylinder> TheSheep: But after the first reboot I was sent to the busybox again
[14:22] <zylinder> TheSheep: Do you reckon I should check my harddrive?
[14:22] <zylinder> Or is more likely to be a driver/software problem?
[14:22] <TheSheep> if it pops up randomly, it may be some hardware failure
[14:23] <TheSheep> but I can't really tell
[14:23] <TheSheep> you might want to check your disk
[14:23] <TheSheep> you can also make sure the uuids in /etc/fstab match the uuids you get by doing ls /dev/disk/by-uuid
[14:23] <zylinder> mh and what would be the easiest way to do that? ;)
[14:23] <TheSheep> although I can't imagine what might be changing the uuids
[14:23] <zylinder> erm okay, one second
[14:25] <TheSheep> do you have another system on that computer?
[14:25] <zylinder> mh one of them matches, the other one doesn't
[14:25] <zylinder> TheSheep: No
[14:26] <zylinder> TheSheep: Just sent you the prompts
[14:27] <TheSheep> I don't need them
[14:27] <TheSheep> anyways, you might want to scan the disk for bad blocks
[14:28] <TheSheep> it takes some time, unfortunately
[14:28] <zylinder> but didn't u say that the UUIDs should match?
[14:28] <TheSheep> yes, so just look at them if they match
[14:28] <TheSheep> actually, I am being silly, your system booted this time, so of course they match
[14:29] <zylinder> but they dont, do they? only one of them matches the other
[14:29] <TheSheep> say, does that computer have raid?
[14:29] <zylinder> the other one is completely differnet
[14:29] <TheSheep> only one of them needs to match
[14:29] <TheSheep> the root one
[14:29] <zylinder> no, it's an old FujistuSiemens notebook
[14:29] <zylinder> ah alright
[14:29] <zylinder> How do I scan for bad blocks?
[14:30] <TheSheep> I can't think of anything else you might check now. If/when it happens again, boot a livecd and we can examine it then
[14:30] <TheSheep> http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2008/01/howto-check-disk-drive-for-errors-and.html
[14:31] <zylinder> cheers
[14:32] <TheSheep> it takes lots of time because ti has to try all spots on the disk, so it basically has to read everything
[14:34] <zylinder> mh I think I'll give it a shot, how long is "some time"? Are we talking 2-3 hours or 8-10?
[14:34] <zylinder> (bare in mind my harddrive is merely 80gb)
[14:36] <TheSheep> I can't really tell, I don't do it often and it depends a lot on the speed of your hard drive
[14:36] <TheSheep> I'd say 3-8 ;)
[14:36] <zylinder> TheSheep: alright, hehe
[14:36] <TheSheep> leave it overnight
[14:37] <zylinder> will do
[14:37] <zylinder> thank you very much
[14:37] <zylinder> oh - what do I do if there are any badblocks?
[14:37] <zylinder> threaten my hdd with a magnet?
[14:38] <TheSheep> zylinder: do the second command on that page
[14:39] <TheSheep> it will then try to move all the data from them to other places, and mark them as broken so that it won't use them again
[14:39] <zylinder> TheSheep: Will it do that automatically or do I have to type in something afterwards?
[14:40] <TheSheep> zylinder: just the second command from that web page
[14:40] <zylinder> TheSheep, alright, brilliant
[14:42] <zylinder> Thank you
[18:32] <adlight> i am arch user, now installing xubuntu in vbox. i like it very much
[18:34] <Unit193> adlight: Sweet! What are you looking to do with it? (I'm guesssing not change main os...)
[18:35] <adlight> no, i ke testing linux distros
[18:35] <adlight> I use arch with gnome 3 and open box now on both my computers
[18:36] <adlight> but i think xfce is very good desktop environment
[18:37] <Unit193> Did you also try Ubuntu/Unity, Kubuntu and Lubuntu? (Get some contrast)
[18:37] <adlight> :)
[18:37] <adlight> i am not a geek
[18:37] <Sysi> gnome3 works with other WM:s?
[18:37] <adlight> so i begun with ubuntu
[18:37] <Unit193> adlight: Doesn't mean you wouldn't have tried to use them
[18:38] <adlight> and after some years I got to arch
[18:38] <adlight> @ sysi : i think it does
[18:39] <adlight> i have tried ubuntu and all other flavours of it
[18:40] <adlight> @ sysi> it definetely works with openbox
[18:40] <adlight> I have them both on my computers
[18:40] <Sysi> hum
[18:40] <adlight> with others i did not tried yet
[18:40] <Sysi> would like to try it with xfwm..
[18:40] <Sysi> even if they made metacity better for it
[18:41] <Sysi> i'm still propably going with kde-netbook-plasma
[18:41] <Sysi> if i ever use that netbook anymore
[18:42] <adlight> I like kde very much
[18:43] <Unit193> Sysi: Have you tried Unity?
[18:44] <Sysi> nope
[18:44] <Sysi> afaik it's like gnome3 but more crashy and worse
[18:47] <Soupermanito> ok gparted the disks using hiren's boot cd and using the alternate installation cd
[18:55] <Soupermanito> is there a way to change the transparency of the label on the desktop icons?
[19:05] <Soupermanito> yes there is
[19:05] <Soupermanito> thank you Soupermanito
[19:05] <Soupermanito> your welcome Soupermanito
[19:22] <dan_l> Hi.
[19:22] <dan_l> Can anyone confirm or deny that gparted would be present on an xubuntu 11.04 live disk?
[19:23] <TheSheep> dan_l: it should be there
[19:24] <Soupermanito> it should
[19:24] <dan_l> TheSheep:  excellent.  I'm trying to talk a friend through dual booting xp/xubuntu.  Trouble is, he can't shrink the part from within windows
[19:24] <Soupermanito> OK! i have successfully installed xubuntu 11.04 on my sisters computer!
[19:25] <dan_l> Soupermanito:  did you install a bunch of packages to spy on her?  Because that's what I'd do.  I kid.
[19:25] <Soupermanito> :P
[19:25] <TheSheep> if you start exchanging ideas about it, I'm going to get pissed
[19:26] <dan_l> I'm kidding.
[19:26] <dan_l> Seriously.
[19:31] <Unit193> I know it's on beta2 (Should download a new ISO...)
[19:36] <Soupermanito> :D everything works out of the box!
[19:56] <Soupermanito> XD
[19:56] <Soupermanito> so i kinda unpluged my box and conected my sister's new install
[20:05] <mbn_18> Hi, I used Make Startup Disk on xubuntu live image to create a bootable USB ( 11.04 ). but its just not boot. Any idea how to debug this?
[20:07] <TheSheep> mbn_18: make sure your computer has enabled booting from usb
[20:07] <TheSheep> mbn_18: in bios settings
[20:08] <mbn_18> TheSheep: did, tried on two computer ( new I7 & a 3 year HP pavilion )
[20:08] <mbn_18> tried fd-usb / hd-usb + the other veriation
[20:09] <mbn_18> I run apt-get update before I tried the process. maybe this broke it?
[20:10] <TheSheep> I doubt it
[20:11] <Soupermanito> NOT COOL
[20:11] <Soupermanito> i've installed cheese
[20:12] <Soupermanito> it crashed every time i go to the options
[20:16] <Cube``> how can i change which window manager i want to use?
[20:16] <Soupermanito> usually whit --replace
[20:17] <Cube``> ?
[20:17] <Soupermanito> for example alt-f2 compiz --replace
[20:17] <Soupermanito> will make compiz your wm
[20:18] <Soupermanito> or metacity --replace
[20:18] <Soupermanito> or xfwm4 --replace
[20:22] <Soupermanito> sup KM0201
[20:22] <Soupermanito> i have installed xubu 11.04 on my sisters netbook
[20:22] <KM0201> Soupermanito: yo.
[20:23] <Soupermanito> and if i install cheese to see the webcam, its too dark and then if i try to co to File or any other menu, the whole X fails and i have to relogin
[20:24] <KM0201> hmm
[20:24] <KM0201> i don't know a whole lot about webcams.
[20:24] <KM0201> have never really messed w/ em
[20:24] <Soupermanito> now im doing the updates so... dont wanna try stuff
[20:24] <Soupermanito> Sysi, you there?
[20:25] <KM0201> my mom just called me w/ the most hilarious computer question ever....she calls says she's trying to access some site, and it says "missing plugin"... if she'd have stopped there, all would have been great, then she says "I've checked, and everything is plugged in properly"
[20:25] <Soupermanito> hehe
[20:26] <Soupermanito> thats nothing
[20:26] <Soupermanito> i've been on houses of people who called because they couldnt connect to the internets
[20:26] <Soupermanito> they didnt even had contracted an ISP
[20:27] <Cube``> Soupermanito: but i want that chnage to be permanent
[20:27] <Soupermanito> Cube``, if you use --replace it usually is
[20:27] <KM0201> lol
[20:27] <jozefk> lol KM0201
[20:28] <moontiger> hi guys
[20:28] <KM0201> jozefk: i played the good son, and simply chuckled, and told her how to install the plugin
[20:28] <Cube``> Soupermanito: so u just type that in the termin4l?
[20:28] <moontiger> how can i install xubuntu without writing a bootloader?
[20:29] <Soupermanito> Cube``, no alt-f2
[20:29] <Soupermanito> moontiger, what?
[20:29] <Cube``> Soupermanito: ut will be be like that if i reboot?
[20:29] <moontiger> Soupermanito, i want to install xubuntu but i dont want it to write a boot loader
[20:29] <Sysi> moontiger: installer should have option to install grub to start of root partition instead of mbr
[20:30] <Soupermanito> Cube``, it should
[20:30] <moontiger> hmmmmmm is there no option to "dont install boot loader" ?
[20:30] <Sysi> that's basically same thing
[20:30] <Cube``> Soupermanito: so for xmonad i type what?
[20:30] <Sysi> you have grub from other distro already?
[20:30] <moontiger> Sysi, yes
[20:31] <Sysi> then the option i suggested should work
[20:31] <Sysi> with alternate disk you maybe can skip installing it completely
[20:31] <moontiger> Sysi, but having another boot loader on the xubuntu partition wont screw things up?
[20:31] <Soupermanito> also doing update-grub should add other systems to ones grub
[20:31] <moontiger> ahhhhh the alternate ... i will investigate
[20:31] <moontiger> thnx
[20:31] <moontiger> Soupermanito, but i may want to remove xubuntu and that would be a problem if i did that
[20:32] <Soupermanito> Cube``, well go to a terminal and write up xmonad --help and see if it says --replace as option
[20:32] <Sysi> xmonad needs plugin for that
[20:33] <Soupermanito> oh, no idea what xmonad is
[20:33] <Sysi> killall xfwm4 && xmonad & maybe works
[20:33] <Sysi> tiling wm written in haskell
[20:34] <Soupermanito> repeat: oh, no idea what xmonad is
[20:35] <jozefk> moontiger when you come back: backup your MBR and restore after installation :D
[20:35] <Cube``> Soupermanito: repeat: tiling wm written in haskell :D
[20:35] <Soupermanito> XD i  still have no idea what that means
[20:36] <Cube``> its if you actually wanna get stuff done on your pc
[20:43] <Soupermanito> ok installing libre office XD
[20:49] <Soupermanito> OK WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
[20:49] <Soupermanito> X keeps crashing
[20:50] <Soupermanito> now whit parole
[20:50] <Soupermanito> first whit cheese
[20:50] <Soupermanito> this is wrong
[20:50] <Soupermanito> really wrong
[20:51] <Soupermanito> worst part is that i cant really get a dump by running the app from a console, becuse the whole x session will crash
[20:53] <jozefk> Soupermanito, what's going on with you? :))
[20:53] <Soupermanito> i just installed 11.04 on a notebook
[20:54] <Soupermanito> and every time i open a program that uses video, it crashes the whole x
[20:54] <jozefk> i installed 11.04 on notebook today. x64. didn't try to play any video yet. let me try
[20:55] <Sysi> Soupermanito: see xorg log
[20:55] <Sysi> hidden in your home folder iirc
[20:55] <jozefk> works fine here Soupermanito
[20:55] <jozefk> no crash no nothing
[20:55] <David-A> Soupermanito: e.g. ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:56] <Soupermanito> reading
[20:57] <David-A> Soupermanito: have you activated proprietary graphics driver? (sometimes they are better, sometimes not)
[20:58] <jozefk> my graphic is ATi and yes prop. driver is active
[20:59] <Soupermanito> i tryed but there are none at jockey
[20:59] <Soupermanito> will try installing from synaptic
[21:00] <David-A> Soupermanito: i have ati radeon hd4200 integrated on motherboard, and the proprietary driver didnt work well, i use the opensource one.
[21:00] <Soupermanito> !pastebin
[21:02] <Soupermanito> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611558/
[21:02] <jozefk> David-A, are all ATIs on notebooks integrated on MoBo?
[21:04] <Soupermanito> Sysi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/611558/
[21:04] <Soupermanito> :(
[21:04] <David-A> jozefk: i dont know, probably most, maybe not all
[21:04] <jozefk> how to know which one is and which one is not?
[21:05] <Soupermanito> worst part is that the error happened when i tried to close the window
[21:05] <Sysi> Soupermanito: first try reboot, check if you should install propietary drivers
[21:05] <Soupermanito> will do, installin libreoffice
[21:05] <Soupermanito> k brb
[21:14] <Soupermanito> this is bad
[21:14] <Soupermanito> x keeps crashin
[21:14] <Soupermanito> i tried several kinds of video formats
[21:14] <Soupermanito> and they all crash x's
[21:14] <Sysi> what player/output
[21:15] <Sysi> your xorg log looked really bad btw
[21:15] <Soupermanito> tried parole
[21:15] <Soupermanito> and cheese
[21:16] <psyklown> it seems my session keeps saving without the option being selected. ideas how to remedy this?
[21:17] <Sysi> symlink ~/.cache/sessions to /dev/null
[21:18] <Soupermanito> uninstalled it already
[21:18] <Sysi> what graphics card/driver?
[21:18] <Soupermanito> the problem is, im playing a video, it works, i close the video window the whole X crashs
[21:19] <Soupermanito> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] (rev 01)
[21:19] <Sysi> ugh, i guess that isn't good with drivers
[21:19] <Sysi> you could try gnome-mplayer and different outputs
[21:19] <Soupermanito> what do you mean by outputs?
[21:20] <Sysi> how do you produce video to the screen
[21:20] <Sysi> with what technology
[21:20] <Soupermanito> O_o
[21:20] <Sysi> gnome-mplayer has nice dropdown-menu to try different options
[21:21] <Sysi> graphics stuff is complicated, i know about that much
[21:21] <Soupermanito> the problem comes when trying to open options menus too
[21:22] <Soupermanito> the whole x crash
[21:22] <Sysi> you could google for solutions to dealing with that GPU
[21:25] <Soupermanito> im doing that
[21:37] <Soupermanito> GAAAAAAAAAAA
[21:37] <Soupermanito> im going to cry
[21:37] <Soupermanito> this is so so so obnoxious
[21:38] <Sysi> *patpat*
[21:39] <Soupermanito> D:
[21:39] <Soupermanito> now everithing crashes after 1second of video play
[21:44] <Soupermanito> what the, i dont have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:51] <David-A> Soupermanito: did you enable/disable proprietary driver? does it chash sooner with a hi res video and later with a low res video?
[21:52] <David-A> Soupermanito: sorry i missed youve left
[21:54] <Soupermanito> ok
[21:54] <Soupermanito> this is just bad
[21:54] <Soupermanito> simply and absolutely bad
[21:57] <Soupermanito> now i've lost sound
[21:57] <Soupermanito> this is really bad
[21:58] <jozefk> it seems your notebook doesn't like xubuntu
[21:58] <Soupermanito> it seems
[21:58] <Soupermanito> well that was a lost of time
[21:58] <jozefk> did u try other xfce distros?
[21:59] <jozefk> live distros
[21:59] <Soupermanito> will reinstall win xp again
[21:59] <Soupermanito> nah
[21:59] <Soupermanito> not worth it
[21:59] <jozefk> xp? lol
[21:59] <jozefk> try zenwalk 7 before xp
[21:59] <Soupermanito> thanks anyway
[21:59] <jozefk> it's live also
[21:59] <jozefk> xp is history
[21:59] <Soupermanito> i wont download another iso, it takes too much time
[22:00] <Soupermanito> xp is good enough for this computer
[22:00] <jozefk> zenwalk is worth or that time
[22:01] <jozefk> and if the pc is old there are other nice distros for old pc
[22:01] <jozefk> like bodhi for example
[22:01] <jozefk> wattos
[22:01] <jozefk> crunchbang
[22:01] <jozefk> etc.
[22:02] <Soupermanito> they will have the same issues whit this via video
[22:02] <Soupermanito> things will brake again
[22:02] <jozefk> whats your graphic card?
[22:02] <Soupermanito> im sorry, i dont want to erase this, but this computer is just not linux compatible
[22:02] <Soupermanito> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] (rev 01)
[22:03] <jozefk> what's that?
[22:03] <Soupermanito> apparently i need to edit xorg.conf to add openchrome as the video driver but surprise! no xorg.conf on 11.04!
[22:03] <jozefk> no xorg.conf? then add it manually.
[22:04] <Soupermanito> added xorg.conf to /etc/X11 and added the driver and surprise! nothing happened! and i lost sound!
[22:04] <Soupermanito> just, too, much
[22:04] <jozefk> I would never go for XP on old computers. or for XP  at all, in general :)
[22:05] <Soupermanito> will install 7
[22:05] <Soupermanito> pro
[22:05] <Soupermanito> i hate doing that
[22:05] <jozefk> there are so many great linux distros...
[22:05] <Soupermanito> indeed
[22:05] <Soupermanito> this one is awesome
[22:05] <jozefk> win7 will work on that?
[22:05] <Soupermanito> but it won't work
[22:05] <Soupermanito> yes it originally came whit vista
[22:06] <Soupermanito> well see you later
[22:06] <jozefk> then why don't you dual boot win7 and linux?
[22:06] <jozefk> ...
[22:06] <jozefk> :)
[22:07] <Soupermanito> what did you said jozefk ?
[22:07] <Soupermanito> :) im on my box now
[22:07] <Soupermanito> XD
[22:08] <jozefk> I said: why don't you dual boot win7 and linux?
[22:08] <Soupermanito> because linux wont work
[22:08] <Soupermanito> aint you reading?
[22:08] <jozefk> xubuntu won't work
[22:08] <Soupermanito> its my sister computer, she aint so techy
[22:09] <jozefk> that's what I see
[22:09] <jozefk> there are hundreds of distros and DEs
[22:09] <Soupermanito> yes i know, but if stuff crashes...
[22:09] <Soupermanito> wait
[22:09] <Soupermanito> wait
[22:09] <Soupermanito> i can try 10.04
[22:11] <jozefk> I would not do that. I would try other distros. i'm 100% sure some would work.
[22:11] <Soupermanito> thats what im trying, other distros
[22:12] <jozefk> 10.04 is not other distro :)
[22:12] <Soupermanito> XD
[22:12] <Soupermanito> yes yes it is
[22:12] <David-A> Soupermanito: i missed you 20 mins ago and i wasnt clear about this: did you enable/disable proprietary driver? does it chash sooner with a hi res video and later with a low res video?
[22:12] <Soupermanito> it crashes all the time
[22:12] <Soupermanito> after 2 seconds of video
[22:13] <Soupermanito> or if i try to even place the mouse over - [] X  buttons
[22:13] <jozefk> if win7 can work on that laptop then gnome and kde can work also :)
[22:15] <David-A> tried enable or disable proprietary?
[22:15] <Soupermanito> yes
[22:16] <Soupermanito> created the xorg.conf file
[22:16] <Soupermanito> added driver openchrome, etc
[22:16] <Soupermanito> none worked
[22:19] <Soupermanito> i have just gived up
[22:19] <David-A> it wasnt stable enough to run menu>system>hardwaredrivers or synaptic?
[22:19] <Soupermanito> i did that
[22:19] <Soupermanito> the only problem was whit video playing and sound
[22:20] <bin_bash> what's the command to check the temps?
[22:22] <David-A> Soupermanito: so you could enable and disable proprietary with hardwaredrivers and playing video crashes x in both cases?
[22:24] <Soupermanito> yes
[22:25] <Soupermanito> i have already given up David-A, installing 7 whit the proper license because pirating is wrong
[22:25] <jozefk> :)
[22:58] <john_rambo> Trying to connect Dlink ADSL Router GLB 802 C via USB   ...... http://pastebin.com/ADQgksft  I am using another PC now ...ready to follow instructions
[23:05] <jozefk> :)))


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