[00:09] <brendand> xnox, well if you're interested the pypi package is 'lp-helpers'
[00:09] <brendand> lp-clean-branches is the command
[00:18] <xnox> brendand: propose it to ubuntu-dev-tools =) it already does launchpad-api caching and has a few nifty launchpad utilities =)
[01:01] <xnox> doko: can you look into libffi/powerpc ftbfs missing symbols https://launchpadlibrarian.net/157846875/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-powerpc.libffi_3.0.13-9_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:56] <infinity> xnox: Fixing.
[01:56] <xnox> infinity: thanks.
[04:49] <slangasek> @pilot out
[07:10] <Mirv> congrats everyone involved for completed libav9 + evolution 3.10 migrations
[07:23] <pitti> Good morning
[07:33] <pitti> infinity, xnox: so, infinity's forcing of git-annex and xnox's bug 1256143 will now fight each other? :-)
[07:33] <pitti> (seems xnox wins)
[07:34] <infinity> pitti: I was allowing the test to be skipped so OTHER packages could migrate, while the bug holds git-annex itself in proposed.
[07:34] <pitti> infinity: aah, that explains how libffi and python2.7 could make it in, thanks! clever
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <pitti> didrocks: bonjour ! ça va ?
[08:19] <pitti> didrocks: would you have an idea why autopilot-gtk isn't autolanding? this blocks our installer tests
[08:24] <pitti> didrocks: ah, jibel told me that it's manual; so, "I can haz landing, please?"
[08:24] <didrocks> pitti: I just finished adding a slot for you :)
[08:24] <pitti> didrocks: why is that? it's not used on the phone
[08:24] <pitti> didrocks: merci
[08:24] <didrocks> pitti: cu2d has a stack granularity
[08:24] <didrocks> it wasn't done for putting things manual forever
[08:24] <pitti> ah, ok
[08:24] <didrocks> not what management decided
[08:25] <pitti> leftover from the autopilot 1.3 -> 1.4 transition?
[08:25] <pitti> (the manual flag)
[08:25] <didrocks> pitti: oh no, everything is manual as long as I can see
[08:25] <didrocks> (as long as we don't have CI Airline I guess)
[08:25] <pitti> ah
[08:25] <didrocks> s/long/far/
[08:26] <pitti> didrocks: so I guess/hope the intention is that it should be automatic, but every new autopilot landing should make sure that e. g. the unity test (and some selected others) would still succeed with it?
[08:27] <didrocks> pitti: right, unfortunately, we still can't run tests automatically on the phone when releasing a stack
[08:27] <didrocks> (the infra isn't thre)
[08:27] <didrocks> we can just run them on the desktop
[08:27] <didrocks> there*
[08:27] <pitti> didrocks: right, I understand; i. e. that's the intention, but limited by hw
[08:27] <didrocks> pitti: my intention is that it's automatic, I'm not that sure it's the management intention though
[08:27] <pitti> didrocks: oh, do the unity8 tests run on desktop? (they certainly should at some point)
[08:27] <didrocks> pitti: they do
[08:28] <didrocks> (in an unity7 session)
[08:28] <pitti> didrocks: so, that would already cover API/behavioural changes in AP
[08:28] <pitti> liek the 1.3 -> 1.4 transition
[08:28] <didrocks> yeah, but not all apps are running on desktop
[08:28] <didrocks> some tests are disabled
[08:28] <didrocks> and that's the difference between the otto tests always green
[08:28] <didrocks> and the dashboard results, not that green
[08:29] <pitti> didrocks: right, it'd probably be too expensive to run *all* our tests against new AP versions; we shoudl select some important/large ones (like unity and unity8)
[08:29] <didrocks> pitti: it's not enough, knowing the propention from AP to break only for *some* apps, and not always the same…
[08:29] <pitti> didrocks: anyway, thanks for the CI bike trip :)
[08:29] <didrocks> I guess the emulator will help :)
[08:30] <pitti> oh, right
[08:30] <didrocks> pitti: no worry, should be released today!
[08:30] <pitti> didrocks: bike > plane! :-)
[08:30] <didrocks> pitti: sil2100 will be your guide for this bike ride then! :-)
[08:31]  * pitti rings his bell on the handlebar
[08:33] <didrocks> heh
[08:56] <tsdgeos> twinkle was rebuilt
[08:56] <tsdgeos> and now i can't use it anymore since the qt3 frontend is gone :-7
[08:57]  * tsdgeos looks for the old package
[08:58] <tsdgeos> better
[09:02] <tsdgeos> now if i could tell apt not to update that package...
[09:02] <tsdgeos> :/
[09:02] <tsdgeos> oh you can
[09:19]  * infinity watches memory corruption spiral his latest glibc test build into a pit of doom and gives up for the night.
[09:22] <pitti> doko_, jibel: I can reproduce the "UUIDs not unique" failure with while python3 /usr/lib/python3.3/test/test_uuid.py; do true; done (in our test VMs)
[09:23] <pitti> doko_, jibel: I now ran the python2.7 and 3.3 tests four times each, plus this loop, with haveged installed, and I didn't get any failure (loop has run for several minutes now)
[09:23] <jibel> pitti, with a real random genetor or the faked one?
[09:23] <jibel> +ra
[09:23] <pitti> jibel: without haveged it's the real /dev/random, but our test VMs have rather little real entropy
[09:24] <pitti> and then we don't really need really true randomness for our tests, do we?
[09:24] <jibel> pitti, no we don't
[09:24] <pitti> so ISTM that installing haveged should be ok
[09:24] <jibel> agreed
[09:24] <jibel> as long as it doesn't block autopkgtest on gpg key generation
[09:25] <pitti> jibel: no; if anything it should make it faster
[09:25] <pitti> I ran the complete run-adt-test -sU python2.7 (and 3.3) several times
[09:26] <pitti> jibel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6493239/
[09:26] <pitti> doko_: so in a way this is an actual flaw in the uuid module; it should block on getting entropy instead of creating identical ones
[09:27] <pitti> but it uses uuid1() which is primarily time based (and our VMs probably don't have nanosecond resolution)
[09:27] <pitti> so both of these together are probably rather rare
[09:27] <pitti> jibel: ok to roll this out?
[09:28] <jibel> pitti, you also need to remove then "dev/random" in bin/testbed/run-adt
[09:28] <pitti> jibel: no no, haveged writes entropy into /dev/random
[09:29] <pitti> it watches /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail for a low water mark, and if it's running low, it calculates pseudo-random numbers and writes them into the pool
[09:29] <jibel> pitti, ah okay. that's good.
[09:30] <pitti> jibel: committed
[09:30] <jibel> pitti, thanks, I'll deploy and reprovisions VMs
[09:31] <pitti> jibel: deploy is fine, I think; they'll reprovision tomorrow anyway, don't they? (that seems enough)
[09:31] <jibel> pitti, yes on saturday when nobody pays attention :)
[09:31] <tseliot> pitti: is it ok if I upload a package in main that depends on a package in universe before the MIR (bug #1255583) is approved? Or shall I wait?
[09:33] <infinity> tseliot: It's best to wait.
[09:34] <tseliot> infinity: ok, I will, thanks
[09:34] <infinity> tseliot: Of course, if you upload now, it'll show up on component-mismatches, and we'll bug people about it breaking the archive. :P
[09:35] <tseliot> infinity: and would that motivate the mir approval team? ;)
[09:35] <infinity> tseliot: Not necessarily. :P
[09:35] <tseliot> heh
[09:37] <infinity> sarnold: When you have a chance, a security audit on #1255583 would be nice.    Totally not scary AT ALL.
[09:39] <tseliot> :)
[09:55] <Saviq> xnox, hey, I saw dpkg-cross is depended on by cross-essentials in the end? do I still need to pass the CMAKE_TOOLCHAIN then, or does debhelper do it already?
[09:55] <Saviq> xnox, also, I still had to pass PKG_CONFIG_EXECUTABLE there
[09:57] <xnox> dependency means, that one doesn't have to declare dependency on dpkg-cross i think.
[09:58] <xnox> passing variables is still needed, as there haven't been any changes on debhelper side yet.
[09:58] <xnox> (well there is new debhelper release in debian that needs merging)
[10:03] <seb128> pitti, hey, do you have the rights to mark https://code.launchpad.net/~vrruiz/ubuntu-system-settings/autopilot/+merge/189194 as rejected? or supersed or something
[10:03] <seb128> pitti, the target vcs is wrong and it has been superseded by https://code.launchpad.net/~vrruiz/ubuntu-system-settings/autopilot/+merge/192869
[10:04] <pitti> (in meeting)
[10:48] <rbasak> We have an Ubuntu delta for puppet that is no longer required because a dependency has been fixed. But I (presume I) can't sync it because it would involving the version number going down. Any options here, other than to wait for a newer Debian release?
[10:56] <pitti> seb128: rejected
[10:57] <seb128> pitti, danke
[10:58] <Laney> rbasak: Just that - you can drop it with the next Debian upload
[13:08] <mpt> ev, did you ever get hold of a stethoscope icon for use in <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#metrics>?
[13:08] <mpt> (or similar diagnostics-y icon)
[13:19] <Cimi> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/overlay-scrollbar/fix-for-3.10/+merge/196920
[13:19] <Cimi> seb128, it has a regression for gtk2 at least
[13:19] <Cimi> seb128, and I have a couple of questions
[13:19] <seb128> Cimi, how so? I'm using it for some days with gtk2 without issue
[13:20] <seb128> Cimi, can you come on #ubuntu-desktop, larsu is not on this channel
[13:20] <Cimi> seb128, open inkscape
[13:20] <Cimi> seb128, unfocus
[13:21] <Cimi> seb128, click on one of its scrollbars
[13:21] <seb128> Cimi, on a channel where larsu is please, he wrote the changes
[13:21] <Cimi> seb128, inkscape doesn't raise
[13:21] <Cimi> seb128, I commented on the MR
[13:21] <Cimi> but yeah
[13:47] <mpt> ev, I reported bug 1256308 about it, so please invalidate it if we have the icon after all. :-)
[14:08] <Saviq> mpt, hey, seb128 pointed me at you - that you'd be the one to know about any docs describing errors.u.c from a consumer perspective
[14:09] <mpt> Saviq, there are none that I know of.
[14:09] <Saviq> mpt, ok thanks
[14:52] <ev> mpt: apols, was on the phone. We don't have an icon so the bug is entirely valid
[14:54] <doko> slangasek, your freetype upload breaks the gcc build
[14:55] <doko> fatal error: freetype/ftglyph.h: No such file or directory
[14:55] <doko>  #include <freetype/ftglyph.h>
[14:55] <doko>                               ^
[14:55] <doko> compilation terminated.
[14:57] <mhr3> hey guys, we have a problem building unity8 in a ppa
[14:57] <mhr3> see https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build-next/+recipebuild/596169
[14:57] <mhr3> for trusty
[14:59] <seb128> hum, weird build log with pbuilder
[14:59] <seb128> I guess the arm64 buildds are maybe special?
[14:59] <seb128> not sure about the specific issue, maybe doko or cjwatson can help you...
[15:01] <cjwatson> doko: You need to use #include <ft2build.h> #include FT_GLYPH_H instead - this was always documented as the proper approach, but FreeType 2.5.1 rearranged the headers
[15:01] <cjwatson> doko: (I just ran into this in GRUB too, and fixed it upstream)
[15:02] <cjwatson> seb128: That's not an arm64 buildd
[15:02] <cjwatson> And they aren't that special
[15:02] <seb128> shrug, I can't read
[15:02] <seb128> cjwatson, sorry, friday afternoon :/
[15:03] <cjwatson> Perhaps libprocps0 being removed points to a way to investigate?
[15:04] <cjwatson> I'd like to migrate that to something more like the apt resolver
[15:04] <cjwatson> In sbuild
[15:08] <doko> cjwatson, which freetype version did introduce these macros?
[15:08] <cjwatson> doko: prehistoric AFAICT
[15:08] <doko> ok
[15:09] <cjwatson> Let me get you an accurate answer
[15:12] <cjwatson> doko: First mention is commit 8fba32d2d6f284bfd49ed6c0557880e0bb692f49, 2000-11-30, contained in 2.0.1
[15:13] <doko> thanks!
[15:13] <cjwatson> doko: http://www.freetype.org/freetype2/docs/tutorial/step1.html was the documentation I found on how includes are supposed to be done
[15:49] <saiarcot895> If a project wants to take another library they are using and strip it down to get rid of other dependencies and edit some of the code in said library, is that allowed?
[15:50] <mhr3> got another one
[15:50] <mhr3> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/157891212/buildlog.txt.gz
[15:50] <mhr3> any idea what's up with that?
[15:51] <cjwatson> mhr3: It *might* be that the chroots need to be refreshed to contain libprocps1 rather than libprocps0
[15:51] <cjwatson> infinity: ^-
[15:52] <mhr3> cjwatson, actually, might be something with qt
[15:52] <cjwatson> I suspect pbuilder-satisfydepends gets upset when it has to remove anything
[15:52] <cjwatson> mhr3: I don't think so
[15:52] <mhr3> the ones that are failing for me have deps on qt5-default
[15:52] <cjwatson> And in this case, in order to install up-to-date packages, it has to remove libprocps0 (which is obsolete and has been removed anyway, but it's still in the chroot)
[15:59] <cjwatson> mhr3: That might just happen to require a newer procps for some boring reason
[15:59] <cjwatson> Or maybe aptitude tries to upgrade everything
[15:59] <cjwatson> The log would rather suggest that
[15:59]  * cjwatson attempts to reproduce it starting with a saucy chroot
[16:36] <infinity> cjwatson: I can refresh the chroots, yeah.  It's entirely possible that removals aren't allowed in that scenario.
[16:37] <infinity> (Though, what is forcing libprocps0 off the system, that seems somewhat unfriendly...)
[16:41] <cjwatson> I wonder if that's aptitude deciding that it's obsolete all by itself
[16:41] <cjwatson> pbuilder-satisfydepends-aptitude runs aptitude with some quite exciting options
[16:41] <cjwatson> It could just be Wrong
[16:42] <infinity> I've considered adding a --purge autoremove run to slavebin/update-chroot post-upgrade, too.
[16:42] <infinity> But, in practice, a bit of cruft in a chroot before I get around to manually refreshing them has never really been an issue.
[16:42] <infinity> Until today, apparently. :P
[16:42] <infinity> But, they need a refresh anyway, they're a month old or so.  So, I'll do that today.
[16:43] <infinity> And if you decide there's a pbuild-whatever bug there too, that can happen at its own pace.
[16:46] <cjwatson> I can't reproduce it here with plain aptitude, but I think I've lost the will to care.  A chroot refresh will probably sort it out.
[16:47] <cjwatson> But I do have a good mind to rip pbuilder out of buildrecipe.
[17:05] <saiarcot895> If a project wants to take another library they are using and strip it down to get rid of other dependencies and edit some of the code in said library, is that allowed?
[17:07] <cjwatson> saiarcot895: Sounds highly dubious
[17:07] <cjwatson> I can't claim it's totally unheard of, but it would have to have a very good excuse, IMO
[17:08] <brendand> saiarcot895, would depend on licences too
[17:09] <xnox> it has been done in very specilised cases, e.g. library compiled for udeb (to be used in installer), can be  compiled with less options/dependencies. but by default the policy is to enable all options in all libraries.
[17:09] <xnox> and typically one uses the full library.
[17:10] <saiarcot895> I think the licensing works (GPL and LGPL?), but they are saying that there are a few problems in their use case (not refreshing, pagination, and some features missing)
[17:10] <saiarcot895> this is in regards to the marble library
[17:10] <xnox> saiarcot895: is this a packaging question for Ubuntu, or is it just something  you want to do as an external project?
[17:10] <saiarcot895> xnox: It's for a PPA, but I would like to follow Ubuntu packaging policies
[17:11] <cjwatson> xnox: that's not done by code copying, though, library udebs are still built out of the same source
[17:11] <xnox> saiarcot895: as long as you change the name of the library package & use a different soname/library name without conflicting with the in-archive marble you should be ok.
[17:11] <saiarcot895> xnox: also, I think they want to remove KDE code that they are not using at all
[17:12] <cjwatson> usually "there are a few problems" is an excuse for not wanting to put the effort in to consolidate things ...
[17:12] <saiarcot895> true, that will have to be done
[17:13] <cjwatson> "consolidate" as in contribute their changes to the upstream library
[17:13] <xnox> saiarcot895: it's best if they send patches to marble upstream. If the library is good, general fixes apply to all of it, and if they want to loosen dependencies, that would be possible as well (e.g. split the library into "core" and "kde" etc.)
[17:15] <saiarcot895> xnox: I just looked at marble's build instructions, and supposedly, they have an option to build with only Qt. Interesting.
[17:16] <shadeslayer_> saiarcot895: that is try
[17:16] <shadeslayer_> *true
[17:16] <shadeslayer_> saiarcot895: and afaict libmarble17 only depends on Qt stuff
[17:18] <saiarcot895> shadeslayer_: I think there is a separate marble package that depends on KDE
[17:19] <shadeslayer_> saiarcot895: true, that's called marble, and then there's marble-qt which is Qt only
[17:19] <shadeslayer_> or is supposed to be Qt only
[17:19] <shadeslayer_> the lib itself seems Qt only?
[17:20] <saiarcot895> shadeslayer_: libmarblewidget16 is Qt only, marble-qt is Qt only, and marble is KDE
[17:20] <shadeslayer_> saiarcot895: correct
[17:20] <saiarcot895> *KDE and Qt
[17:20] <shadeslayer_> and the so name was bumped so it's libmarblewidget17 now
[17:21] <shadeslayer_> but that's only in trusty , so disregard that ^^ :P
[17:22] <shadeslayer_> saiarcot895: regarding missing features, you're free to implement them, but it's usually best to communicate this with upstream
[17:22] <saiarcot895> shadeslayer_: true
[17:23] <shadeslayer_> there's also https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/dashboard/ to post your patches for KDE :)


[09:52] <tsdgeos> lo guys
[09:52] <tsdgeos> just reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krecipes/+bug/1424155
[09:52] <tsdgeos> if someone can take it, it'd be great
[09:55] <valorie> I bet sgclark will jump on that when she logs in
[10:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:46] <sgclark> morning
[12:57] <lordievader> o/
[15:29] <BluesKaj> not just a feature freeze here , seems like a action freeze as well ..not much happening today
[15:31] <lordievader> It is usually pretty quiet in here on the weekends.
[15:32] <BluesKaj> haven't seen it this quiet in long time, even on the wknd
[15:33] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:33]  * shadeslayer is hacking away on features
[15:58] <lordievader> shadeslayer: \o/
[16:58] <knro> Assuming a total noob without access to google, how many steps does he have to take to find out how much hard space is used and how much is free?
[17:11] <soee__> any news about 5.2.1 release ?
[17:18] <sgclark> knro: 2 open terminal and type df
[17:19] <knro> sgclark: I said total noob, no terminal
[17:19] <sgclark> soee: sorry I cannot seem to get my pbuilder to use the ninjas ppa. so stuck and working on 50 million other things as well. so much for a day off :(
[17:20] <soee> :)
[17:21] <sgclark> knro applications menu -> system -> Info Center -> Summary (first page) has pretty little picture describing your hard drives info, may have to scroll..
[17:22] <sgclark> tho hmm
[17:22] <sgclark> guess not used,
[17:22] <sgclark> bah
[17:22] <knro> sgclark: Has total space, not how much utilized/free.
[17:22] <sgclark> terminal!
[17:22] <sgclark> yeah I see that now..
[17:23] <knro> yeah, simple things like these should be easy to find out by total noobs
[17:23] <sgclark> device viewer seems useless
[17:23] <sgclark> indeed
[17:24] <knro> I-Nex seems to provide everything in one place
[17:24] <knro> maybe Kubuntu should include this by default, instead of the near useless KInfoCenter
[17:24] <sgclark> dunno what that is I am afraid
[17:24] <knro> it's like CPUz but for Linux
[17:25] <ovidiu-florin> how do I set apt-get to shou output in english?? I've tried setting the locale to en_US.UTF8 but it doesn't care. apport is broken and I can't fix it
[17:25] <ovidiu-florin> the apport package I mean
[17:26] <Streamstormer> ovidiu-florin: LANG=C apt-get ?
[17:28] <ovidiu-florin> please advize https://paste.kde.org/phy8yollg
[17:29] <ovidiu-florin> I've tried: apt-get upgrade, apt-get remove, apt-get remove --purge, dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq
[17:30] <ovidiu-florin> I get this very helpful message: https://paste.kde.org/pxediqxnz
[17:31] <ovidiu-florin> I've tried downloading it manually from the ubuntu packages website and installing it via dpkg -i
[17:32] <ovidiu-florin> but it won't let me
[17:32] <ovidiu-florin> I think the package is broken
[17:33] <Streamstormer> ovidiu-florin: see here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/240256/python-problem-report-python-apport-apport-break-apt-get
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> Damn you python 2.7
[17:52] <ovidiu-florin> how do I report a bug on launchpad against apport on utopic??
[17:54] <ovidiu-florin> is this it? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+filebug
[18:05] <Streamstormer> ovidiu-florin: yes that should do.
[18:05] <ovidiu-florin> reported
[19:11] <alket> hi, when I try to beatify PHP code, I get this error: Command failed: /bin/sh -c [ -f ~/.bash_profile ] && source ~/.bash_profile;[ -f ~/.bashrc ] && source ~/.bashrc;php_beautifier --input "/tmp/input115121-3714-18bkcgo" --output "/tmp/115121-3714-lmp9iq" /bin/sh: 1: source: not found /bin/sh: 1: php_beautifier: not found
[19:11] <shadeslayer> eh
[19:11] <shadeslayer> alket: wrong channel for support questions
[19:12] <alket> shadeslayer: oh sorry, indeed wrong channel
[19:40] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what are your new databases?
[19:43] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage kdeconnect 0.8
[19:43] <kubotu> Package kdeconnect already exists!
[19:46] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion kdeconnect 0.8
[19:46] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1424245
[19:46] <soee> Riddell: are do you know how to fix this workspace package in Plsasma 5.2.1 ?
[19:47] <Riddell> I need to spin all new tars for 5.2.1
[19:47] <Riddell> then merge in the kubuntu_stable branches
[19:47] <Riddell> then remake the source packages to get those to build
[19:52] <soee> so we dont get it any soon ?
[19:59] <sgclark> Riddell: ahh so I should stop banging my head on the wall trying to figure out why it is failing?
[20:00]  * sgclark wishes she knew this
[20:02] <Riddell> sgclark: for now yes
[20:03] <Riddell> sgclark: I've deleted all the package from the PPA, sorry I'm rerolling all the tars so they all need done again, such is the life of an engineer
[20:04] <sgclark> Riddell: ahh okies, and yes it is
[20:04] <soee> :D
[20:05] <Riddell> sgclark: if you're feeling in the useful mood you could merge in all the kubuntu_stable branches for the plasma packages
[20:06] <sgclark> merge where? not sure I follow :(
[20:07]  * sgclark is totally useless
[20:08] <Riddell> sgclark: clone all the git repositories for plasma packaging, checkout kubuntu_vivid_archive and git merge kubuntu_stable
[20:09] <Riddell> and it should contain any fixes which harald or anyone else has added to get it all working for kubuntu ci
[20:09] <Riddell> all new to me too this
[20:09] <sgclark> Riddell: sure :) I will give it a shot
[20:12] <sgclark> git merge origin/kubuntu_stable seems to be correct command. already up to date first one...
[20:44] <sgclark> Riddell: all of them: Already up-to-date.
[21:04] <soee> sgclark: so the next step would be as Riddell said "then remake the source packages to get those to build" ?
[21:05] <sgclark> re-tar yes I think. That is Riddell magic making there. I have not ventured into that area yet
[21:05] <soee> how the re-tar works ?
[21:07] <sgclark> releaseing tars. I have heard words such as Release me and such, I don't think it is as simple as "making a tar". Though I could be completely wrong..
[21:08] <soee> what tars contain ? just package source ?
[21:20] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:20] <ScottK> The re-tar stuff is upstream work, not Kubuntu work.
[21:21] <ScottK> jr wears both hats.
[21:22] <soee> ScottK: but what will be different from current tars ?
[21:22] <ScottK> Presumably whatever was committed into the upstream git in between the last set and this one.
[21:24] <soee> ScottK: so if 5.2.1 was released like 2 days ago, new commits can be added to it now and released as 5.2.1 ?
[21:24] <ScottK> Was it released in public or just private for packagers?
[21:24] <ScottK> If the latter, then it's probably still 5.2.
[21:26] <soee> ScottK: ah you are right, it was tar release, and teh public release is Tue 2015-02-24
[21:52]  * Riddell uploading tars now
[21:52] <valorie> sgclark: did you see the krecipes remark above?
[21:52] <sgclark> valorie: done :)
[21:52] <valorie> \o/
[21:53] <valorie> did you happen to get an email from me as well?
[21:53] <sgclark> yep I responded :)
[21:53] <valorie> seems that there will be a crowd at LFNW
[21:53] <sgclark> wow nice
[21:54] <valorie> tdfischer and friend, and some ubuntu folks from Portland too
[21:54] <valorie> k, I should read email
[21:57] <sgclark> ubuntu folks from Portland O.o ? who? I did meet Brian Murray at our lil global jam in Eugene
[22:02] <Riddell> all new tars are up
[22:02] <soee> :)
[22:02] <Riddell> sgclark: ready for packaging if you are are a lose end (but it's the weekend remember to relax)
[22:03] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, so curious, script, will it work or no because no new version right?
[22:04] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm not sure, only one way to find out
[22:04] <sgclark> lol
[22:04] <Riddell> I think it will quietly just be sensible and not add new changelogs and take the new tars
[22:04] <sgclark> ok, I will run script today, but yeah I need tomorrow off
[22:05] <Riddell> make sure you wipe your build directory
[22:05] <sgclark> ok
[22:05] <Riddell> super, thanks muchos
[22:05] <sgclark> np
[22:27] <valorie> sgclark: someone was saying in teh #ubuntu-us-wa chan
[22:28] <sgclark> cool :)
[22:30] <valorie> I'll find the info and email and see if they are still coming....
[22:31] <valorie> do y'all have an email list?
[22:31] <valorie> I suppose I should ping ours as well
[22:31] <sgclark> yeah , sec
[22:32] <sgclark><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:37] <valorie> when I had room in my chan list, I used to hang out in the -or chan too
[22:37] <valorie> met up with some of those folks when I did an ubuntu table at OSCON years ago
[22:38] <valorie> because they sort of surprise showed up, then Ben went on to run it for awhile
[22:38] <sgclark> nice folks :) the ones I have met so far
[22:38] <valorie> finn moved up here
[22:38] <valorie> yes
[22:38] <valorie> but these guys I had not met, and they were coming up in the train as well - I think
[22:40] <sgclark> sigh, every package is failing and going to manual :(
[22:42]  * valorie shares around the v-day bowl of chocolate
[22:42] <Riddell> sgclark: I guess the script isn't that clever,  just let it run then do a for loop to run debuild -S or debsign as needed
[22:43] <Riddell> valorie: v-day?
[22:43] <valorie> Valentine's Day
[22:43] <valorie> I bought too many chocolate hearts, and unfortunately they are delicious
[22:44] <Riddell> :)
[22:47] <sgclark> Riddell: for whatever reason, it is looking for .orig in build-area... but the .orig is one folder up. no biggy, was just hoping for a quick go at this lol
[22:49] <sgclark> git-buildpackage-ppa with the orig in the correct location outta do it
[22:53] <Mamarok> gah, what should we do with users of plasma5 in the #kubuntu channel? Point8ing them to Ubuntu+1 seems rather wrong, or are we there, too?
[22:56] <Riddell> Mamarok: help them if you can, #ubuntu+1 otherwise I guess
[22:56] <Mamarok> I can't help, I don't use plasma 5
[22:57] <soee> i take that one :)
[22:57] <Mamarok> yeah, seen that, thank you
[22:57] <yofel> vivid is ubuntu+1 for sure, not sure what to do with utopic+next...
[22:58] <Mamarok> but if there are people using alpha stuff we should really also tell them that using Alpha is not exactly supported...
[22:59] <Mamarok> soee: you keep a watchfull eye on #ubuntu+1, too?
[22:59] <soee> Mamarok: nope, i think if it is Kubuntu related stuff, users just joind #kubuntu
[23:00] <soee> thought thers no bg activity there
[23:00] <yofel> soee: with the exception of vivid, that all goes to #ubunt+1
[23:00] <Mamarok> but plasma5 questions simply don't belong there, it's not released, @kubuntu is for released stuff
[23:00] <Mamarok> s/@/#/
[23:00] <kubotu> Mamarok meant: "but plasma5 questions simply don't belong there, it's not released, #kubuntu is for released stuff"
[23:24] <sgclark> Riddell: the old ones were still in the ppa and getting rejected. I have deleted them but it could be some time before it lets me upload
[23:36] <Riddell> meh I deleted them :(
[23:37] <sgclark> Riddell: I also emailed you  on breeze and breeze-qt4, I am a bit confused
[23:37] <Riddell> replied
[23:37] <sgclark> ty
[23:39] <sgclark> Riddell: err so this actually needs to be repackaged then? cuz everything in here is qt5...
[23:43] <sgclark> nvm, the script is broken, grabbed the breeze-qt4 from git...
[23:45]  * Riddell snoozes
[23:57] <soee> time to get some sleep, gn


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[08:09] <RikMills> vorlon: kubuntu focal daily seems to have dropped about 1GB in size
[08:10] <RikMills> so no oversize warning I think
[08:11] <vorlon> RikMills: sweet
[08:12] <RikMills> actauuly, I better check the contents. that seems a lot
[08:12] <vorlon> it does rahter :)
[08:15] <RikMills> looks like the non server nvidia driver are still in the pool, so heh, a win
[08:16] <RikMills> some of our testers have nvidia, so can likely get some tests on that before the point release
[08:16] <RikMills> just to make sure
[08:16]  * vorlon nods
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[02:01] <nathwill> slangasek, any problems with ubiquity i should be aware of before trying to install a 13.04 nightly?
[02:01] <nathwill> also, FDE is working now, eh?
[02:27] <slangasek> FDE?
[02:27] <nathwill> full disk encryption
[02:27] <nathwill> feel free to verner von braun this
[02:27] <slangasek> ah; for a cycle now, yes
[02:27] <slangasek> as for ubiquity issues, I'm aware of none
[02:28] <nathwill> k. gonna do a clean install on this mac tonite, feeling like living on the edge
[02:28] <nathwill> thanks :)
[02:28] <nathwill> i'm willing to take the chance on edge cases, but figured you'd know of any major showstoppers
[02:30] <bkerensa> slangasek: I assume FDE only works when the entire HDD is encrypted as in no other partitions can be unecrypted
[02:32] <slangasek> that seems tautological. ;)
[02:33] <nathwill> i don't remember seeing the option during my last 12.10 install, but i remember the EFF lauding praise on y'all for getting it shipped
[02:33] <slangasek> I believe the support exposed in the installer UI only allows you to do full-disk encryption, no per-partition encryption
[02:33] <cweber10> ubuntu requires a none encrypted /boot
[02:34] <slangasek> right, excepting /boot
[02:36] <bkerensa> slangasek: ahh I see... I have this one parition that has this one non-free thing on it and I probably need to bug my fiancee to not need it anymore and move to FDE.
[02:36] <bkerensa> slangasek: while at the same time I do not understand what benefits FDE provides over the existing encryption of /home
[02:37] <nathwill> bkerensa: imagine that your shipping a corporate customized ubuntu image with some proprietary apps installed in /usr/bin
[02:37] <nathwill> or any number of other scenarios where sensitive info may be distributed throughout the filesystem
[02:37] <nathwill> *you're
[02:38] <cweber10> fde prevents reading of any folder like /tmp /var /etc and any posible injection of programs into the bin directories
[02:38] <bkerensa> nathwill: yeah I guess for integrity of those paths it would be nice
[02:38] <bkerensa> and those purposes
[02:39] <nathwill> if it's available, i don't know why anyone would pass it up, there's no noticeable performance hit for it
[02:41] <bkerensa> wat
[02:41] <nathwill> indeed sir
[02:42] <bkerensa> some guy on G+ asking when he can install Ubuntu without Windows or DOS
[02:42] <bkerensa> https://plus.google.com/u/0/113424166596580975111/posts/Lf9tMXb1Snf
[02:42] <bkerensa> x.x
[02:42] <nathwill> you're being trolled amigo
[02:42] <nathwill> see that malicious smirk?
[02:43] <bkerensa> heh
[02:43] <bkerensa> idk man
[02:43] <bkerensa> he could live in some cave... it happens
[02:43] <bkerensa> My trolldar did not go off
[02:44] <cweber10> I find the mention of dos a bit odd.
[02:45] <nathwill> alrighty then... back in a bit, going to blow up this laptop for giggles
[02:45] <bkerensa> idk in Ghana we California LoCo had someone replacing windows with edubuntu
[02:45] <bkerensa> they had installed windows because they did not know how to use linux apps at all
[02:45] <bkerensa> so
[02:45] <bkerensa> I imagine its possible
[05:22] <slangasek> bkerensa: full-disk encryption only encrypts your Ubuntu partitions, not your Windows ones.
[05:24] <slangasek> you just don't get to configure whether it encrypts your *full* Ubuntu install or not
[06:45] <bkerensa> slangasek: luckily I have no data on Windows partition :) since I never login there
[07:56] <bkerensa> :D
[07:56] <bkerensa> kees man you hack on too much software
[07:56] <bkerensa> :P
[07:56]  * bkerensa found you in authors file again
[07:58] <bkerensa> kees: Do you by chance know if libdvdread still has a upstream repo and accepts patches?
[15:29] <kees> bkerensa: I think it's kind of dead. I haven't looked recently. VLC might be keeping it currently.
[15:31] <kees> hrm, not dead. the snapshot was from october
[15:31] <kees> http://github.com/microe/libdvdread
[15:37] <kees> (that's the debian split, since it seems that http://dvdnav.mplayerhq.hu/ hasn't been touched in over a year
[23:14] <nathwill> so i got to have a party with EFI last night :/
[23:14] <nathwill> which basically comes down to "macs are stupid"
[23:30] <bkerensa> nathwill: :D
[23:31] <nathwill> srsly.
[23:31] <nathwill> though it ended well. i no longer have to hold the option key to boot the machine :)
[23:59] <bkerensa> heh


[05:27] <knightwise> morning everyone
[05:30] <MartijnVdS> Ssh! Speak Flemish.. or he'll understand us! :P
[05:30] <knightwise> LOL
[05:30] <knightwise> morning martijn
[05:30] <MartijnVdS> \o knightwise
[05:31] <knightwise> hmmz , i moved my automated twidge jobs to another server , and now they appear NOT to work :(
[05:31] <knightwise> its not the scripts , they work fine manualy , i just dont know if the crontab works
[05:32] <MartijnVdS> do you get emails from cron?
[05:32] <knightwise> no , i dont think so
[05:32] <MartijnVdS> is there anything in /var/log about cron doing its thing?
[05:33] <knightwise> nothing in there that says cron or anything
[05:33] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: is cron running? (ps ax)
[05:34] <knightwise> yep
[05:34] <knightwise> 8794 ?
[05:34] <MartijnVdS> try restarting it
[05:34] <MartijnVdS> also, check if the job really is there using crontab -e
[05:35] <knightwise> yep , did both
[05:35] <knightwise> wait , lets check the time on my machine
[05:36] <knightwise> time on the machine is correct
[05:36] <knightwise> 15 2 * * 1 /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/script1
[05:36] <knightwise> these are the lines for example
[05:37] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: is the script executable?
[05:37] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: ls -l /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/script1
[05:38] <knightwise> -rwxr-xr-x 1 knightwise knightwise 181 2011-07-05 21:31 /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/script1
[05:38] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: it's only running at 2:15 in the morning, and the only if it's Monday
[05:38] <MartijnVdS> which might be why it didn't run last night..
[05:39] <knightwise> i know
[05:39] <knightwise> but i also have this one
[05:40] <knightwise> 30 7 * * 1,2,3,4,5 /home/knightwise/twitterscripts/goodmorning
[05:40] <knightwise> that one didn"t run either
[05:40] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: grep CRON /var/log/syslog doesn't return anything?
[05:41] <knightwise> nope
[05:41] <knightwise> blank line :(
[05:41] <MartijnVdS> Mine returns an anacron run every hour at least..
[05:41] <MartijnVdS> you can try restarting cron
[05:41] <MartijnVdS> sudo invoke-rc.d cron restart
[05:43] <knightwise> tried that too with sudo restart cron
[05:43] <MartijnVdS> I think you need "service" in there (service restart cron)
[05:43] <MartijnVdS> You can make a small cron job like this:
[05:43] <MartijnVdS> * * * * * /bin/echo "HI THERE!"
[05:44] <MartijnVdS> then your mailbox should fill up..
[05:44] <knightwise> ok , i'll try
[05:44] <knightwise> just did your restart line and rescheduled the job for 7 45
[05:44] <knightwise> lets see if it turns up in the feed
[05:44] <MartijnVdS> tail -f /var/log/syslog.1
[05:44] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[05:44] <MartijnVdS> tail -f /var/log/syslog
[05:45] <MartijnVdS> oh good idea.. check if your logs have been rotated :)
[05:45] <MartijnVdS> if they have, cron is working at least a little
[05:46] <knightwise> Jul  6 07:45:01 nostromo CRON[9318]: (knightwise) CMD (/home/knightwise/twitterscripts/goodmorning)
[05:46] <knightwise> Jul  6 07:45:03 nostromo CRON[9315]: (CRON) error (grandchild #9318 failed with exit status 1)
[05:46] <knightwise> Jul  6 07:45:03 nostromo CRON[9315]: (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)
[05:46] <knightwise> no mta installed ?
[05:58] <MartijnVdS> mail transfer agent
[05:58] <MartijnVdS> postfix, nullmailer, etc.
[06:00] <knightwise> should not be a reason for failure
[06:01] <knightwise> weird
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> no
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> but it's trying to tell you what's wrong
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> and it can't
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> because it can't send mail
[06:02] <knightwise> sudo apt-get install mta won't do the trick i think
[06:04] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: no, you need to choose and configure one
[06:05] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: like nullmailer (very simple program that doesn't do much, except send mail if your machine needs to
[06:05] <MartijnVdS> postfix is also available, but it's a monster to configure
[06:05] <MartijnVdS> same with exim, sendmail, etc.
[06:07] <MartijnVdS> you can also change your cron job to be something like this:
[06:08] <MartijnVdS> /path/to/your/cronjob >> $HOME/some_logfile 2>&1
[06:08] <MartijnVdS> then it'll create (and append to) that file for every run
[06:08] <MartijnVdS> and you can read the errors there
[06:08] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: ^
[06:08] <knightwise> no mta installed ? holdon
[06:08] <knightwise> i'll try that
[06:11] <knightwise> ok
[06:11] <knightwise> it creates the file ,
[06:12] <knightwise> there is however nothing in it
[06:12] <MartijnVdS> your script should be more verbose then ;)
[06:12] <MartijnVdS> off to work!
[06:13] <knightwise> thanx :) i'll try looking around a little more :)
[06:13] <knightwise> thanx again martijn
[06:14] <malcolm_> hay do any of you guys know what is ment by
[06:15] <malcolm_> FATAL: Module rt2800lib is in use
[06:15] <malcolm_> when i was trying to install drivers
[06:15] <malcolm_> using the command make wlunload
[06:17] <malcolm_> was trying to like install patched drivers
[06:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hey cool - Giant Wombats on steroids! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14040349
[06:23] <popey> Morning all
[06:25] <malcolm_> damn so hard to find the right info sometimes : (
[06:28] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: sounds like a made for TV film staring some actors who used to be famous
[06:32] <popey> malcolm_: why are you "trying to like install patched drivers"?
[06:40] <malcolm_> um
[06:40] <malcolm_> trying to see if i can get somthing to work
[06:42] <popey> thats somewhat vague
[06:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> 'somewhat' being the understatement of the day so far ;-)
[06:44] <malcolm_> ive been messing about with aircrack-ng
[06:44] <malcolm_> and i keep running into a problem
[06:44] <malcolm_> when i try to connect to my ap
[06:44] <malcolm_> i get
[06:44] <malcolm_> well keep getting put on channel -1
[06:44] <malcolm_> and the patch fixes this
[06:49] <daubers> Morning
[06:49] <malcolm_> but im having modual loading problems it seems
[06:50] <AlanBell> malcolm_: you probably need to unload the active module first
[06:50] <malcolm_> yeah i'm not sure how to do that yet : )
[06:50] <AlanBell> you do realise you are going to end up with a system with broken networking?
[06:51] <AlanBell> rmmod unloads modules
[06:51] <malcolm_> well i can always just uninstall the drivers
[07:00] <knightwise> mornin everyone
[07:01] <daubers> o/
[07:03] <knightwise> forgive me my friends for i have sinned
[07:03] <knightwise> i have installed .. linux minr
[07:03] <knightwise> t
[07:03] <knightwise> and .. i like it
[07:13] <_serial_> add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next (or firefox-stable depending on your pref) :)
[07:13] <AlanBell> knightwise: but it is just Ubuntu with the media codecs installed right?
[07:14] <knightwise> yes
[07:14] <knightwise> but i am looking at the rolling debian isntall too
[07:14] <_serial_> you choose when on install when to install the media codecs, mint also gives you the ability to install on the welcome screen
[07:29] <hoover> morning all
[07:35] <popey> AlanBell: there are other bits they have too
[07:35] <popey> AlanBell: like a different menu, and a backup tool
[07:44] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:48] <AlanBell> o/ czajkowski
[07:49] <AlanBell> I just broke a hard drive :(
[07:49] <AlanBell> external enclosure, dropped it maybe 30cm onto carpet
[07:49] <czajkowski> well done
[07:49] <czajkowski> not a good start to the day AlanBell
[07:50] <AlanBell> not the best, but it was only backups
[07:51] <czajkowski> oh would ye all like a laugh
[07:52] <czajkowski> it again involved delays and trains going fecked up to get me home to ireland again like at xmas
[07:52] <czajkowski> though not to the same extent
[07:52] <czajkowski> karma gods seem to think it's funny
[07:55] <czajkowski> arrived at london bridge at 3:30 for 4:05 train no train driver till 4:30
[07:55] <czajkowski> my 6:50 flight didnt take off till 8:15 when it should have been landing
[07:55] <czajkowski> amusing i can fly anywhere with no delays except to ireland
[07:57] <shauno> last time I flew to the UK, aer fungus were flying every 2 hours, but running 2 hours late
[07:57] <shauno> so everything looked like it was on time :/
[08:09] <AlanBell> yay, external enclosure now has 500GB sata drive fitted
[08:13] <JGJones> czajkowski, I seem to be lucky then - when I was living in N.Ireland - I didn't get any delays etc, in fact my planes nearly always arrived early. Once I arrived a day late though - I got on the wrong train
[08:14] <czajkowski> JGJones: it never happned me before till xmas and since then every time there has been some delay
[08:14] <czajkowski> anoying as i'm always early
[08:15] <JGJones> Ah that might be where you're going wrong ;-) I always turn up "just in time" ;-)
[08:16] <czajkowski> heh
[08:18] <hoover> heh, interesting flamewar between the LAS and Linux Outlaws guys ;-)
[08:18]  * hoover gets himself some popcorn
[08:21] <AlanBell> is it on identi.ca by any chance?
[08:23] <popey> hah
[08:24] <popey> is this due to one person saying in Linux Format that Linux Outlaws is the best linux based podcast?
[08:24]  * popey notes that UUPC got a brief mention as "useful for distro hoppers"
[08:24] <popey> which I find somewhat odd
[08:24]  * jpds watches popey install Gentoo while he's at it.
[08:27] <danfish_> morning
[08:28] <danfish_> note to self - "scp foo* dest && rm foo*" good
[08:28] <wintellect> popey: what was odd about it? That you're classed as "useful" or that it was only a "brief mention"?  :P
[08:28] <danfish_> "scp foo* dest & rm foo*" not so good :(
[08:29] <hoover> popey: yep
[08:29] <AlanBell> wintellect: the "distro hoppers" bit
[08:29] <hoover> I thought the whole thing was a bit tongue in cheek to begin with ;-)
[08:30] <AlanBell> if anything uupc is useless for distro hoppers as it doesn't talk much about other distros
[08:34] <popey> wintellect: its a uk magazine, and barely mentioned a UK podcast that has had ~1.5 million downloads over 4 years
[08:34] <knightwise> hey everyone :)
[08:34] <popey> however, its just one guy who did the review
[08:34] <popey> and he doesn't seem to give a toss
[08:35] <popey> AlanBell: we have interviewed people from red hat and centos fwiw
[08:36] <dwatkins> heh, I'd forgotten about the concept of "swapiness" until just now... :)
[08:36] <dwatkins> great name
[08:41] <daubers> Good podcasts seem quite hard to come by
[08:42] <daubers> LO == Fab ranting with Dan trying to be sensible for an hour and a half.... been so long since I listened to LAS can't remember why I passed on it
[08:42]  * daubers grabs a recent ep
[08:43] <popey> The great thing about Linux podcasts ...
[08:43]  * popey decides to tweet this instead of here :D
[08:43] <hoover> hehe
[08:44] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/88528616102699009
[08:44] <popey> there we go
[08:47] <dwatkins> heh, yeah, choice is good - most of the time ;)
[08:48] <JGJones> Hmm...when you pasted that URL...
[08:48] <oimon> have never listened to linux outlaws
[08:48] <JGJones> I looked at my phone
[08:48] <oimon> got abotu 5 minutes into 1 show and thought it was very ....meh
[08:48] <JGJones> instead of opening it in browser....the habit of checking twitter via phone is strong :)
[08:48] <hoover> I think all shows have their place
[08:49] <hoover> I even managed to ignore Fab's terrible accent and swearing after a while
[08:49] <Myrtti> oimon: +1
[08:49] <daubers> hoover: That just made me angry :(
[08:49] <dwatkins> I found the Security Now podcast interesting, although it's not OS-specific it has some interesting stuff about networking and security
[08:50] <oimon> i don't like to listen to people who swear a lot. which is why i disliked lugradio, just sounded like loads of drunk guys in a room swearing a lot
[08:51] <hoover> daubers: what exactly? Something I said?
[08:51] <daubers> hoover: No, the constant swearing in lo
[08:52] <daubers> After a certain point it just seems to imply that the people doing so can't make their point effectivley using acceptable english.
[08:52] <popey> Pip pip!
[08:52] <popey> We have had complaints about inappropriate language on uupc ☺
[08:52] <popey> well, _A_ complaint
[08:52] <popey> because someone said "damn" I think
[08:53] <knightwise> seriously ?
[08:53] <knightwise> and thats bad ?
[08:53] <popey> Some religious people think so, yes.
[08:53] <knightwise> oh please
[08:53]  * oimon wonders if the regular messages from the major are always the last thing in the show..then i know i can stop listening when the najor comes on and won't miss anything else
[08:53] <knightwise> for christ sake ! :p
[08:54] <popey> now now ☺
[08:54] <popey> well, on the ubuntu-users list I found out recently that "w*nker" is seen as a very tame word down-under
[08:54] <popey> whereas in the UK it's seen as quite a sweary word
[08:54]  * knightwise has nothing againt religious fanatics or anyone else with imaginary voices in their heads telling them what to do
[08:54] <popey> those silly colonies and their misuse of our langiage ;)
[08:54]  * popey shrugs
[08:55] <hoover> popey: religious people.... *sigh*
[08:56]  * hoover looks forward to his place at the foot of the beer volcano eventually
[08:56]  * knightwise sends his praise to the flying spaghetti monster ! Ooooh-Maaahh OOOO-Maaahh
[08:57] <hoover> lol
[08:59] <oimon> humm
[09:23] <s-fox> Hello
[09:27] <oimon> i don't really follow the news - can someone explain how NotW "hacked into people's phones?" are they referring to voicemail pin codes?
[09:28] <bigcalm> Good morning kids :)
[09:29] <Laney> yeah
[09:29] <Laney> i wonder how it was done really
[09:30] <oimon> i heard a 7/7 survivor saying ""My wife and I were kind of all over the place, we were chatting to friends on the phone, in a very personal and deeply emotional context - and the thought that somebody may have been listening to that just looking for a cheap headline is just horrendous." - surely the wife doesn't leave massive voicemail messages, rather just says "how u doing, call me"
[09:43] <JGJones> Best security against voicemails? Mine is completely uncrackable.
[09:43] <dwatkins> You turned off your voicemail, JGJones?
[09:43] <JGJones> No idea
[09:43] <JGJones> Never used it :D
[09:43] <dwatkins> You never use it?
[09:43] <dwatkins> hehe
[09:43] <JGJones> No point if you're deaf ;-)
[09:43] <Laney> what if people leave you messages?
[09:44] <dwatkins> JGJones: I assume you mostly use your mobile for texting, or are you only partially deaf?
[09:45] <popey> Laney: i suspect most people leave their pin as default
[09:45] <dwatkins> mostly as in "as opposed to making calls"
[09:45] <JGJones> No-one that know me would do that, and if it does happen, more likely to be a wrong number. Either way it'll not get used.
[09:45] <popey> Laney: there has also been comment that they use "social engineering" on people who work at call centres
[09:45] <dwatkins> I often get calls from my bank etc. but I guess if you've told them not to call they shouldn't do that
[09:46] <JGJones> dwatkins, in the early days, just texting, now quite a lot - ie email, twitter, google+, IM (googletalk), video calling and so on
[09:47] <dwatkins> Is there an online video conferencing system which is fast enough for sign language?
[09:47] <JGJones> plus when I give out numbers to banks etc - I give them<PHONE_NUMBER>0
[09:47] <dwatkins> I do the opposite occasionally - give out the number for my answerphone so people can't call and can only leave a message - not done that for some time though
[09:48] <JGJones> dwatkins, aye - Google+ Hangout is awesome for a group, although need to test with a larger group (I had 5/6 people)
[09:49] <JGJones> just a matter of bandwidth though - video resolution is 320x240 so not brilliant, but my wife does regularly call her deaf friend in canada via Skype - the quality's decent enough.
[09:49] <dwatkins> nifty, I have yet to test this myself. I work with a product which includes video conferencing, but I suspect it's not fast enough to catch everything someone is signing.
[09:55] <popey> google hangout is good fun
[09:57] <Daviey> popey: Yeah, i had a pretty good experience with it yesterday.. I was in two seperate hangouts, the first one with 3 people worked great - the second with one person suffered sound issues.
[09:57] <Daviey> The face switching works pretty damn well tho
[09:58] <popey> yeah, and echo cancellation
[09:58] <popey> i just used the mic on my webcam
[09:59] <bigcalm> Still waiting for access to google+. Am I missing anything?
[10:00] <popey> its quite good fun
[10:00] <popey> send me an email to my first dot last at gmail dot com
[10:00] <popey> (from your gmail account)
[10:00] <Daviey> bigcalm: you are missing out big style. :)
[10:00] <Daviey> does that help?
[10:01] <bigcalm> popey: cheers, one mo
[10:01]  * popey deletes all the messages on G+ about bigcalm sucking donkeys
[10:01] <hoover> hey biggi
[10:02] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:02] <bigcalm> Hey hoovie
[10:02] <Myrtti> I don't get huddles
[10:02] <bigcalm> I like huggles
[10:02] <Myrtti> ie. understand
[10:03] <bigcalm> Daviey: you're a treasure :)
[10:03] <Daviey> bigcalm: aye, i am
[10:04] <bigcalm> Maybe you'll get to tell me the cream egg story in August (if you're going)
[10:07] <popey> bigcalm: did that work?
[10:07] <popey> I added you to my "Friends" circle
[10:07] <bigcalm> I see nothing :(
[10:07] <popey> booooo
[10:07] <JGJones> Myrtti, huddle - just a group text chat app for mobiles only (currently only Android) - invite all folks in a circle or selected people and have a IM group chat.
[10:08] <JGJones> it's just like g+ hangout...except for the video and audio :)
[10:08] <davmor2> morning all
[10:08] <bigcalm> My android tablet has a front facing camera, would be nice to be able to use it for such things
[10:09] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:11] <oimon> bigcalm: how u getting on with teh tablet?
[10:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: which tablet?
[10:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: how's things dude
[10:16] <bigcalm> oimon: waiting for somebody to port CynogenMod onto it. I've got it rooted and Clockwork recovery running ok though
[10:16] <oimon> battery life?
[10:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: Kogan Agora 7" capacitive POS
[10:18] <bigcalm> oimon: poor. It keeps waking itself up to look for a 3g signal. The device has no 3g hardware. I think they rushed to get 2.3.3 onto it before shipping
[10:19] <bigcalm> My phone is more useable than the tablet, which is why I rarely bother to turn it on now
[10:20] <oimon> this is the problem with cheapo tech...we buy it to fulfil an urge, hoping it to be better than it is
[10:20] <oimon> i was tempted by it too
[10:20] <oimon> surely it's better than a joggler though :P
[10:21] <oimon> wonder how many irc users have that word highlighted :)
[10:21] <popey> heh
[10:22] <popey> wonder how many jogglers are sat in boxes
[10:22] <popey> I jailbroke my ipad today
[10:22] <popey> why did I do this?
[10:22] <popey> be nice if I could run Arm Ubuntu on it. but unlikely I guess
[10:22] <oimon> can you run android on it?
[10:23] <oimon> one of my friends dual boots windows mobile and android on his HTC phone
[10:24] <gord> can you not install applications that  you couldn't install before?
[10:24] <popey> i wouldn't want to run android on it
[10:24] <bigcalm> The tablet has HDMI out, so I guess it might be useful as a presentation device
[10:24] <popey> gord: i guess
[10:24] <gord> seems to be the only use case for jailbroken iphones as much as i have heard
[10:24] <popey> gord: not quite figured out what apps would be useful over and above the ones I have "legitimately"
[10:24] <gord> maybe flash?
[10:24] <oimon> wifi hotspot?
[10:25] <gord> i know adobe had a flash before, not sure if it got out in the wild
[10:25] <popey> wifi hotspot?
[10:25] <popey> its not a 3g device
[10:25] <gord> but yeah, there are eight squillion apps in the app store already, you prolly don't need more
[10:25] <popey> exactly
[10:26] <popey> i kinda stared at the cydia store and thought... "I dont need this stuff"
[10:26] <gord> i don't even root my android device, whats the point?
[10:26] <oimon> i thought ipads were just for reading the guardian and that bloke from QI's tweets anyway
[10:26] <gord> they seem to make good cat toys too :)
[10:26] <oimon> gord: i am considering it so that i can do a full image backup of the phone
[10:26] <popey> oimon: yes, that's a common misconception from people who dont own them
[10:26] <gord> which gave me an idea the other day, cat amusement park.
[10:26] <oimon> popey: due to the marketing
[10:27] <popey> er, no
[10:27] <bigcalm> gord: to improve upon the stock OS. Some features in CynogenMod have gone back into stock I think
[10:27] <popey> due to the closed minds and lack of imagination of apple haters :D
[10:27] <popey> "It's an ipod, *sheesh* can't be good for anything" </assumption>
[10:27] <popey> etc
[10:28] <gord> seriously, no one is interested in cat amusement parks? i thought it was a great idea
[10:28] <oimon> popey: i was more joking than trolling
[10:29] <oimon> but i do hear that the ipad version of twitter app only has an RT button and nothing else ;)
[10:29] <popey> trollolololol
[10:29] <oimon> and you automatically follow stephen fry when you sign in.
[10:30] <shauno> that explains everything
[10:30] <gord> fine, non of you can be part of the million dollar cat amusement park for cats of all ages
[10:30]  * oimon is a dog person
[10:30] <oimon> although my dog acts like a cat so i get all the benefits of both
[10:31] <popey> my cat is on twitter
[10:31] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/salempope
[10:32] <shauno> why on earth did I click that
[10:33] <popey> because you want to be updated whenever my cat tweets?
[10:33] <gord> followed!
[10:33]  * dutchie listens to popey's cat's audioboo while waiting out the first night in new minecraft world
[10:33] <dutchie> *munch munch munch*
[10:34] <shauno> also, why is goggle's new blackbar different shades of grey in different apps.  what on earth are they up to
[10:35] <oimon> dunno but i like it on my dark ubuntu theme
[10:36] <shauno> I don't mind the new layout at all, just not sure why it's not consistent
[10:39] <gord> its the same shade of black in in chrome/firefox for me
[10:40] <shauno> mine's giving me a much lighter grey in gmail
[10:40] <gord> oh right yes, but thats because gmail has a light theme going on
[10:40] <oimon> gmail is white for me
[10:43] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:45] <shauno> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/gmail.PNG   that's what I'm getting.  just different enough to be head-scratching
[10:46] <shauno> (yes, I'm fussy)
[10:57] <dwatkins> shauno: isn't that because you're logged in on one and not on the other?
[10:57] <danfish> a broadband speed map http://maps.ofcom.org.uk/broadband/
[10:58] <dwatkins> handy, danfish
[10:58] <daubers> Ah, tea is the best invention evah
[10:58] <gord> daaang handbrake-gtk doesn't work anymore
[10:58] <gord> time to learn the CLI version. or heaven forbid... ffmpeg =\
[10:59] <daubers> popey: I know someone who was given an ipad, and she says its the best tray for carrying around 2 wine glasses and a bottle of wine at the same time
[10:59] <shauno> dwatkins: nope, logged in on both  (and just double-checked they're the same user)
[10:59] <popey> i frequently carry coffee back from the restaurant on mine
[11:00] <Daviey> I use mine to jack up the car to change the wheel, there is an app for it.
[11:00] <dwatkins> shauno: they look different for me
[11:01] <dwatkins> shauno: I mean that I do see much more similar tabs in Google search compared to Google+, as opposed to what you are seeing
[11:02] <gord> does anyone happen to know why we hide dvdcss? i mean i get that its not installed but not in the repo's seems crazy
[11:09] <oimon> doesn't restricted-extras install it?
[11:10] <gord> no its not in the repos
[11:13] <gord> huh, handbrake runs 2/3 times faster on linux than it does on windows for me, neat
[11:22] <matti> AlanBell: Thanks, but I don't have G+ account ... I think :)
[11:22] <matti> Daviey: :)
[11:43] <oimon> can i replace a AMD sempron 3400+ processor socket M2 with an athlon 64 X2 processor?
[11:44] <directhex> oimon, you mean AM2?
[11:44] <oimon> yes
[11:45] <directhex> yes, some 2006-2007 athlon64 x2's are AM2
[11:45] <oimon> i have a good machine with crappy processor
[11:45] <directhex> even a few from 2008
[11:45] <oimon> how would i know what's compatible?
[11:54] <penguin42> oimon: I'd check on the website for the manufacturer of your motherboard
[11:55] <penguin42> oimon: It might also need a BIOS upgrade if you get a more recent processor than was around when it was bought
[11:55] <popey> gord: hide?
[11:55] <popey> oh, it's in medibuntu or something isnt it?
[11:55] <popey> it's a circumvention device, so i guess there's some legal reason
[11:56] <shauno> they should put it in the repos, but with some geoip-fu, so when americans try to download it, they get E_LANDOFTHEFREE  </troll>
[11:57] <gord> if you install libdvdread4 you get a script in /usr/share/something that goes to some website (i guess medibuntu) and downloads it. its just crap
[11:58] <davmor2> gord: oh you mean /usr/share/docs/libdvdread4/libdvdcss_install.sh or something along those lines
[11:59] <popey> thats the one
[11:59] <popey> hehe shauno
[12:00] <popey> /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[12:00] <popey> sitert=http://packages.medibuntu.org/
[12:00] <popey> yup
[12:00] <davmor2> popey: hey I was close
[12:01] <gord> at the very least vlc/totem should pop up a thing saying "i'm so sorry about this, its horrible i know, but could you press Okay to agree to download and install this small library so i can play your dvd properly? again, very sorry!"
[12:01] <gord> maybe less verbose
[12:01] <popey> file a bug ☺
[12:01] <popey> (I agree with you)
[12:01] <popey> jockey should do it
[12:01] <popey> or whatever does codec stuff
[12:02] <gord> well right now its through gstreamer i think, maybe its something for jockey though yeah
[12:04] <oimon> can anyone suggest an irc room that might be useful for processor upgrade questions?
[12:06] <popey> ##windows
[12:06] <popey> :D
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> zing!
[12:37] <shauno> man, efnet's nowhere near as bad as I remember.  is the internet actually getting old and boring?
[12:44]  * penguin42 seems to remember there was a program that sat in an X connection and showed you what all the X commands sent were - but I can't remember the name - anyone?
[12:44] <hoover> hang on
[12:44] <hoover> xev
[12:44] <hoover> ?
[12:45] <penguin42> that's just events isn't it?
[12:45] <hoover> I guess
[12:45]  * penguin42 wants the commands going in the other direction
[12:45] <hoover> ah sorry
[12:47] <tugrik> try xspy, xpusher, and possibly xtester
[12:47] <tugrik> from memory getting them to compile might be "interesting"
[12:47] <penguin42> oh I can get anything to compile with a large enough hammer
[12:48] <tugrik> afair they're for keystrokes though... that might not be what you meant by "commands"
[12:48] <penguin42> no it's not
[12:48] <penguin42> I want things like the command from the app that changes the mouse pointer shape
[12:49] <penguin42> X protocol decoding
[12:49] <tugrik> ah, then I don't know, but... inevitably... I'd be interested in the name of the app when you find it
[12:49]  * penguin42 thought there was a proxy like thing at one point
[12:50] <shauno> xmon.sf.net looks prehistoric, but their last update was this month, so may be workable
[12:50] <penguin42> ah - xscope
[12:50] <penguin42> shauno: OOh promising
[12:53] <matti> MartijnVdS: Can I ask you to try to invite me to G+ if you still can?
[12:53] <penguin42> shauno: Well xmon's last update was 8 years ago in that cvs :-)
[12:54] <shauno> yeah, I just noticed that.  sf.net/xmon said first of july :/
[12:54] <shauno> bummer, the description sounded spot on.  but sourceforge strikes again :(
[12:55] <penguin42> shauno: It was - 9 years ago :-)
[12:55] <penguin42> looks like xscope is possibly what I want - it's even in git
[12:58] <penguin42> heck xscope while updated only 5 months ago has an ancient heritage 'xscope was originally written & used on a  Sun3'
[12:58] <shauno> nice
[13:23] <hoover> cheers all
[13:43] <andylockran> anyone working @ Millbank today?
[13:44] <davmor2> andylockran: the people in millbank are ;)
[13:44] <andylockran> muahahaha.
[13:57] <AlanBell> matti: oops, I removed you now, it should stop spamming you
[14:13] <matti> AlanBell: No, I don't mind :)
[14:13] <matti> AlanBell: I could use invite from somebody :)
[14:16] <gord> matti, as far as i know, google stopped sending out invites for a bit, so if someone invites you now you won't get in
[14:18] <popey> yeah
[14:19] <directhex> boo
[14:19] <directhex> cartmanland is not a business model to follow, google!
[14:19] <gord> ha, now i'm gonna have to dig out that episode
[14:22] <matti> gord: Oh, thanks :)
[14:22] <matti> gord: I did not know that :)
[14:25] <directhex> so much to do at google plus, but you guys can't come!
[14:25] <directhex> especially stan and kyle, i hate those guys!
[14:41] <penguin42> bah
[14:50] <xapel_> is popey here?
[14:52] <popey> xapel_: he is
[14:52] <xapel_> aha
[14:52] <davmor2> xapel_: no popey is over there he isn't here
[14:53] <xapel_> popey: we were chatting about a magic utility that you are developing to do remote desktop control for mumbuntu...and then you disappeared
[14:53] <popey> hah
[14:53] <popey> still developing it
[14:54] <xapel_> popey: hopefully that was to finish the coding quickly
[14:55] <xapel_> any idea when it will be ready?
[14:56] <xapel_> Will you put it in the Software Centre? ppa perhaps? How can I get it, when its done?
[14:57] <popey> heh, it's barely started
[14:58] <xapel_> oh
[14:58] <shauno> you don't just vnc in and ghost-write some stickies for her?
[14:58] <xapel_> :)
[14:59] <shauno> that's one thing I've always missed in vnc.  a way to pop up a notification saying "don't panic - it's shaun"
[15:00] <shauno> people get very odd about their cursor moving without them
[15:00] <gord> notify-send?
[15:00] <popey> it does popup
[15:01] <popey> in ubuntu the default vnc server does anyway
[15:01] <shauno> ah, ok
[15:02] <shauno> (I haven't had mother on linux for years.  she married a windows admin who "knew better", and it all went to pot)
[15:09]  * dogmatic69_ passed bike license \o/
[15:10] <bigcalm> Well done dogmatic69
[15:10] <bigcalm> _
[15:10] <dogmatic69_> ta
[15:10] <dogmatic69_> i can still say ive never failed a driving test before :)
[15:12] <oimon> passed my ITIL exam :)
[15:13] <dogmatic69_> what is that?
[15:15] <oimon> it's where you learn useless jargon for no reason other than to please managers
[15:26] <dogmatic69_> oimon: hehe
[15:26] <dogmatic69_> well done then
[15:34] <davmor2> oimon: that sounds like a really technical way of saying pebkac and it's a user interface issue
[16:07] <matti> oimon: Well done :)
[16:07] <matti> oimon: You are man of the process now :)
[16:08] <oimon> :(
[16:09] <davmor2> oimon: congratulations
[16:10] <oimon> thanks - was a bit of anticlimax in the end
[16:13] <daubers> Good day all round today
[16:14]  * daubers got his funding for OU stuff through today \o/
[16:16] <bigcalm_lappy486> Anybody here use a gmail notifier app that sits in the notification area?
[16:18] <gord> bigcalm_lappy486,  https://launchpad.net/gm-notify is what you want
[16:18] <bigcalm_lappy486> I'm trying out different ones, wondering if anybody had settled upon a good one
[16:18] <bigcalm_lappy486> gord: will have a look, ta
[16:19] <hamitron> bigcalm_lappy486: you're on a 486? :D
[16:20] <bigcalm_lappy486> Ooo, this does look promising
[16:20] <bigcalm_lappy486> hamitron: tis but a geek reference
[16:20] <hamitron> :/
[16:21] <hamitron> not dedicated enough to retro hardware.... some people
[16:21] <hamitron> ;)
[16:21] <directhex> strongbad, if i'm not mistaken
[16:23] <bigcalm_lappy486> directhex: correct
[16:23] <directhex> replacing compy386
[16:30] <bigcalm_lappy486> gord: this app doesn't allow for multiple gmail accounts then?
[16:33] <jacobw> daubers: what are you studying?
[16:33] <jacobw> daubers: and \o/
[16:34] <gord> bigcalm_lappy486, no idea
[16:34] <gord> bigcalm_lappy486, i have evolution/thunderbird hooked up to my gmail account, it tells me
[16:35] <bigcalm_lappy486> Ah
[16:37] <JGJones> That didn't take long...there's already websites springing up for G+ like this - http://gplus.to/ - give yourself a short simple URL to point to your G+ account
[16:41] <bigcalm_lappy486> Who has gpl.us?
[16:50] <popey> JGJones: http://gplus.to/popey :D
[16:53]  * bigcalm_lappy486 grrs
[16:54] <JGJones> mine's http://gplus.to/jgjones - amazingly enough it matches up with my nick in here...imagine that!
[16:54] <penguin42> JGJones: Do they steal your credentials at the same time?
[16:54] <JGJones> penguin42, and your entire bank account too - a fair trade I'll say ;-) - nah, it only point to a public page
[16:55]  * penguin42 doesn't have google+ yet :-(
[16:56]  * MartijnVdS has it on the wrong account
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> as it's not available yet on Apps
[17:05] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, I have an apps account but also a gmail one so I'm using that and hoping it will be simple to move it over
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: it's simple to export data.. haven't seen an "Import" button yet :(
[17:32] <pirate> hi, guys
[17:32] <pirate> I love ubuntu
[17:33] <brobostigon> Fb video calling using skype, hmm.
[17:34] <pirate> who has an invite for Google +?
[17:41] <brobostigon> however, it seems only to be one to one calling, unlike google+'s hangouts, that canbe more than one person tomore thn one person.
[17:41] <brobostigon> so FB is behind already.
[17:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> I had an invite to G+ this morning but the url gives a 404 :-(
[17:42] <brobostigon> :(
[18:08] <JGJones> OK that's my problem sorted...I only discovered that you can have sign in with multiple Google accounts
[18:09] <JGJones> so I can view my apps email and continue to sign in with gmail account for G+ and also sign in with work email (also an app account)
[18:21] <JGJones> brobostigon, you forgot another key thing - FB's video calling depends on Skype (it's already lagging behind on Linux for example). Google's Hangout - it's planned to move it over to WebRTC and make use of open standards such as WebM - it will be done in browsers, no plugins required (Opera, Firefox as well as Chrome all support WebRTC). Skype will require a plugin
[18:21] <JGJones> Thus if you use Hangout in future - in theory it should "just works"
[18:22] <JGJones> whereas with facebook "you need to install a plugin"....your plugin is out of date, please install etc etc etc
[18:22] <ali1234> skype has better telepathy integration today
[18:22] <ali1234> also i didn't need to install any plugin to make skype work on my phone
[18:23] <ali1234> also i am not the least bit interested in using a web browser to do everything
[18:23] <JGJones> ali1234, aye that's true. I'm interested in the different method they're using - Skype is peer to peer. Google's Hangout isn't, it use Google's servers.
[18:24] <JGJones> mind you - with webRTC being open standard - in theory you could make an app that meet those standard and have it work on Android etc
[18:25] <brobostigon> JGJones: quite true, yes. what is webrtc ?
[18:25] <brobostigon> and i would rather use open software, than something closed.
[18:26] <JGJones> brobostigon, https://sites.google.com/site/webrtc/
[18:26] <brobostigon> JGJones: thank you,
[18:26] <JGJones> brobostigon, ironically you realise that Skype actually use VP8 (webM) for their group video calling (in software)?
[18:27] <brobostigon> JGJones: i didnt know that, interesting.
[18:28] <JGJones> Dear very very lovely and generous people in here - you all are wonderful
[18:28] <brobostigon> :)
[18:28] <JGJones> Just saying that...in no reference whatsoever to the fact that my birthday's in Nov and I want this http://gradualpanic.com/2011/06/want-want-want/
[18:28] <JGJones> ahem...
[18:28] <JGJones> ;)
[18:28] <brobostigon> lol, :)
[18:29]  * brobostigon simply wants a nexus s.
[18:30] <brobostigon> unlocked, with an engineering bootloader, :)
[18:30] <jacobw> :o
[18:30] <jacobw> cool f1 thing
[18:45] <brobostigon> and two way NFC, wouldbe cool asell.
[18:48] <brobostigon> or the S2,
[18:51] <AlanBell> we have a meeting scheduled for a few minutes from now
[18:52] <brobostigon> around 8mins,
[18:57] <AlanBell> ok, so change of plan, lets use this channel rather than the meeting channel
[18:57] <AlanBell> and generally work together on the reapproval application
[18:57] <AlanBell> we can use IRC, etherpad, the wiki and perhaps mumble for voice conferencing
[18:58] <AlanBell> mumble.libertus.co.uk is the mumble server
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I have a Nexus One, and I've been eyeing the Nexus S.. but I don't want to get it when there are "Nexus 3" rumours around :(
[18:58] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: you have a goodpoint, i couldnt afford one, right now though, either way.
[18:59] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/reapproval
[18:59] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: and with my htc dream, i am used to unlocked and engineering bootloader.
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: My N1 was unlocked when I got it, I reflashed with US stock firmware (instead of UK/EU Voda firmware it came with)
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: (to get updates earlier)
[19:00] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, yes, :)
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> same with my xoom -- though I had to unlock that (easily) manually
[19:05] <brobostigon> AlanBell: it is asking for a password.
[19:06] <brunogirin> is the meeting started?
[19:06] <AlanBell> brobostigon: ooh, hang on I will try and log in as admin and delete your password
[19:06] <AlanBell> brunogirin: we are having a slow start!
[19:06] <brobostigon> AlanBell: thank you.
[19:10] <brunogirin> AlanBell: good, that will help me keep track of the conversation as I'm on a flaky 3G connection :-)
[19:10] <AlanBell> brunogirin: I am just sending a mail to the list
[19:11] <brobostigon> AlanBell: i will login with a different username.
[19:13] <AlanBell> I am struggling to log on to anything with mumble on my laptop
[19:20] <AlanBell> ok, so activity focussing on this page http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/reapproval
[19:27] <popey> AlanBell: will join in on mumble shortly, am releasing a podcast
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> \o/ releasing a podcast
[19:28] <brobostigon> :)
[19:32] <bigcalm_lappy486> Release the zombies!
[19:32]  * MartijnVdS F5s the RSS feed
[20:02] <AlanBell> !stats
[20:04] <StevenR> hi. I've got some display corruption, pictures seem "ok", but there's some display aliasing, text is all invisible
[20:04] <StevenR> I can ctrl-alt-f2 to a console (irssi from there). This only occurred when I un-hibernated my laptop this evening. It's never occurred before.
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> might be a bug in un-hibernating
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> What kind of graphics chip do you have? Intel? AMD? NVidia? Something exotic?
[20:22] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[20:23] <StevenR> it's a toshiba T130 (Intel CULV CPU)
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> I sometimes get a black screen instead of my desktop when I un-screensaver
[20:24] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: I've been unhibernating and hibernating since november, never seen this before.
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> try a reboot
[20:24] <StevenR> (it was lucid then, and I went lucid->mav->natty in ~6 hours
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> could be a one-off bug
[20:24] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: yeah, it came back ok after reboot
[20:25] <StevenR> it'd be nice to know what I could do next time though
[20:25] <StevenR> I tried closing the lid (suspends to ram) and resuming
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> "sudo service gdm restart"
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> that'll stop & restart X
[20:26] <StevenR> yeah, killing all my apps, etc
[20:26] <StevenR> (ideally I'd like a less destructive solution :D)
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> If you find one, I'd like to know too :)
[20:30] <StevenR> :D
[20:45] <penguin42> hmm I wonder if there is the possibility of adding to Xorg something that completely reinitialises all the backend - or if that already exists
[20:50] <oracology> That happens to me sometimes, but it's an actual hard lock where I need to physically reset the machine...I'm not sure of any way to solve your problem besides restarting gdm either...I'll keep looking/thinking.
[20:51] <brobostigon> gpu lockup?
[20:53] <oracology> not sure. I have an asus laptop and the scroll lock button flashes to indicate a proper hard lock. if it happens when I can still see things and work, my mouse stops and nothing responds.
[20:54] <brobostigon> have a look in dmesg, it will say.
[20:54] <oracology> penguin42: maybe one needs to write something to work with HAL or dbus for "helping" reset the backend for Xorg?
[20:55] <oracology> brobostigon: i can never see what happened in dmesg when i restart. when it hard locks, i can't do anything with the machine...:(
[20:55] <brobostigon> oracology: loginto it, via ssh and pull dmesg,
[20:55] <penguin42> oracology: I suspect between X and the kernel it can have a good go at doing it - it just needs a means of giving it a kick and the drivers writing in such a way to be able to do it - I don't know if that's doable
[20:55] <oracology> brobostigon: can't. it won't let me login via ssh either.
[20:56] <oracology> brobostigon: it's practically like having the machine turned off, except it's still on and completely unresponsive :)
[20:56] <brobostigon> oracology: ok, it isnt gpu lockup then, as it only locks up xorg and libdrm.
[20:56] <oracology> brobostigon: right. i had always assumed it was something more universal than just the gpu...
[20:56] <brobostigon> oracology: have a look in your backlogs in /var/log
[20:57] <oracology> brobostigon: will do the next time it happens. hasn't happened in a few weeks thankfully.
[20:57] <oracology> brobostigon: thanks for the suggestion. completely forgot about /var/log
[20:58] <oracology> penguin42: it might be doable by writing some sort of hook script to whatever sits between X and the kernel...i suspect hal or dbus again..? i'm not in the know when it comes to kernel stuff though (or Xorg)...just a thought.
[20:59] <penguin42> oracology: Oh  I don't think it needs that; you just need to kick either X or the kernel or both
[20:59] <brobostigon> oracology: :)
[20:59] <oracology> penguin42: but if you kick X, then that's like restarting gdm. i'm trying to think of a gentler solution like you suggested :)
[20:59] <penguin42> oracology: Oh by kick I meant something a bit more subtle
[21:00] <penguin42> oracology: more of a tap on the butt than a kick to the head :-)
[21:00] <oracology> penguin42: ah but back to square one now...does such a thing exist...it's a really good question actually. i'll see if i can find some answers (after i wake up in the morning) :)
[21:01] <oracology> 'night all! thanks for the insight/input/discussion!
[21:08] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E10  Sun and Steel - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/07/06/s04e10-sun-and-steel/
[21:09] <bigcalm_lappy486> regex help needed :) /^[a-zA-Z]{3,4}\d{8}[a-zA-Z]{2}$/
[21:10] <bigcalm_lappy486> Would that match 1) A to Z, min 3 chars, max 4 chars. 2) 8 digits. 3) A to Z, min/max 2 chars
[21:10] <bigcalm_lappy486> ?
[22:18] <BigRedS> yeah
[22:18] <BigRedS> assuming you mean exactly those thre in sequence, rather than each of those three optionally
[22:20] <BigRedS> bigcalm[revo]: ^^
[22:31] <Azelphur> what does C10K actually stand for?
[22:31] <Azelphur> I mean, I know what it means, but never heard what it actually stands for
[22:33] <BigRedS> it's ten thousand clients isn't it?
[22:34] <BigRedS> C = clients, 10K = ten thousand?
[22:34] <Azelphur> fun :)


[00:29] <veebers> thomi: when you have a moment would you mind casting your eyes over this quickly? https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/autopilot/logging-binary-attachments-1336109/+merge/225098
[19:33] <thomi> barry: did you get my email?
[19:58] <barry> thomi: i did, responding now
[19:58] <thomi> barry: awesome - wasn't sure what address to use.
[19:59] <barry> thomi: they all end up in the same place :)
[19:59] <thomi> ahhh ok
[19:59] <barry> thomi: they just take different paths to get here
[19:59] <thomi> I was looking for a non-work address, but I guess at least this way you can filter based on the target address :)
[19:59] <thomi> anyway, sorry about the schedule switch-aroo
[19:59] <barry> thomi: no worries.  you can always use my at python dot org address too
[20:00] <thomi> barry @ ?
[20:00] <barry> thomi: yeppers
[20:00] <thomi> will try and remember that for next time :)
[20:00]  * barry has *a lot* of email addresses :)
[21:22] <thomi> barry: got a second?
[21:26] <barry> thomi: sure
[21:27] <thomi> barry: so I'm having some odd problems with virtualenvs, python 34, and testing...
[21:27] <thomi> in my setup.py, I do 'tests_require=[dep_a, dep_b]
[21:28] <thomi> I create a virtualenv with 'virtualenv -p python3 ve' . ve/bin/activate
[21:28] <thomi> then try and run the tests with: python setup.py test
[21:28] <thomi> I see it downloading all my test dependencies, but then the tests fail to run. Digging a little deeper, they fail to run because they cannot import the test dependencies!
[21:28] <thomi> but I can see them being downloaded, and they all create *.egg files in .
[21:29] <thomi> am I missing something? I thought 'python setup.py test' was 'just supposed to work'
[21:29] <barry> thomi: yeah, it should work
[21:30] <barry> are you sure it's not failing on some other explicit dependency that's not defined in tests_require?
[21:30] <thomi> hmmm
[21:30] <barry> oh, one thing you can do, fire up your venv's python and try to import those deps at the >>> prompt
[21:30] <barry> sometimes, there are cascading errors that end up looking like ImportError but really are caused by something else
[21:31] <thomi> yeah I get ImportErrors there as well
[21:31] <barry> then, try to import the test modules
[21:31] <thomi> it looks like they're not being installed to the virtualenv correctly
[21:31] <barry> thomi: so what if you manually pip install them into the venv?
[21:31] <thomi> then it seems to re-download and install them
[21:31] <thomi> yeah, it's doing all that work all over again :(
[21:32] <barry> thomi: are you on utopic?
[21:32] <thomi> barry: no, trusty
[21:32] <barry> thomi: well, at least i know that my virtualenv wheel stuff isn't affecting you :)
[21:33] <barry> but you can't run pyvenv-3.4 either
[21:33] <barry> (just to see if there's something weird with the venvs)
[21:33] <thomi> if I manually 'pip install ...' all the deps then 'python setup.py test' works
[21:34] <barry> thomi: do you have a branch?  i could try it on utopic
[21:34] <thomi> sure, let me upload
[21:35] <thomi> barry: lp:~canonical-ci-engineering/uci-engine/nfss
[21:35] <thomi> barry: change to the nf-stats-service directory
[21:36] <barry> thomi: trying.  btw, i'm still working on that stack of packages.  it's a dark and twisty maze
[21:36] <thomi> well... if you feel like that, I'm glad I'm not attempting to do it :)
[21:38] <barry> it's insane.  dozens of uploads to debian.  syncs to ubuntu.  plus ubuntu-only packages that block -proposed promotions.  jeebus.
[21:38] <barry> oh thomi you will love this:
[21:38] <barry> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
[21:38] <barry> Ran 5 tests in 0.001s
[21:38] <barry>
[21:38] <thomi> :(
[21:38] <thomi> that makes me sad!
[21:38] <thomi> why doesn't it work here?
[21:39] <barry> thomi: nfc.  let me see if i have a trusty system laying around
[21:41]  * barry fires up his trusty vm
[21:56] <barry> thomi: well, on my trusty vm, it seems like the psycopg dep isn't too happy
[21:56] <thomi> oh?
[21:56] <thomi> you need to install libpq-dev or something
[21:56]  * barry tries
[21:56] <thomi> yeah - libpq-dev
[21:58] <barry> hmmm
[21:58] <barry> ./psycopg/psycopg.h:31:22: fatal error: libpq-fe.h: No such file or directory
[21:58] <barry>  #include <libpq-fe.h>
[21:58] <barry>                       ^
[21:58] <barry> compilation terminated.
[21:58] <thomi> hmm
[21:58] <barry>
[21:59] <thomi> I get this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7733589/
[22:00] <barry> yeah, it seems really unhappy about that header file, even though it's there in /usr/include/postgresql!
[22:00] <barry> oh, maybe that's not on -I
[22:01] <barry> why would that be the case on 14.10 but not 14.04
[22:01] <barry> i will try to install the pacakge and use --system-site-packages
[22:02] <thomi> barry: it's odd, on my system I don't get that message, it just seems to... stop...
[22:03] <barry> well, even --system-site-packages isn't very happy
[22:03] <barry> so i can't get even as far as you've gotten :(
[22:05] <thomi> barry: ahh well, don't worry about it
[22:06] <thomi> barry: I can work around this for now, it's not such a big deal
[22:06] <thomi> I was hoping you'd say "oh yeah, you need to do X"
[22:06] <barry> thomi: yeah, sorry, i tried :)
[22:06] <thomi> thanks for your help :)
[22:06] <barry> "help" :)
[22:07] <thomi> sure, at least now I know that I was doing the right thing
[22:07] <thomi> and that the problem is elsewhere
[22:07] <barry> yep
[23:19] <josharenson> Hi, I assume autopilot works on desktop? My very simple tests fails/crashes because it cannot find "MainView"
[23:19] <balloons> josharenson, what do you mean?
[23:21] <josharenson> balloons, I have a click app that I created in Ubuntu-sdk. There is a file called "run" in app/tests/autopilot (presumably auto-gened by the SDK)
[23:22] <josharenson> balloons, when I run "run", it starts my app, and the test errors out almost instantly with the following error
[23:22] <josharenson> StateNotFoundError: Object not found with name 'MainView'.
[23:22] <josharenson> My application definitely has a MainView object
[23:22] <balloons> josharenson, sorry I'm literally walking out the door atm... I'll respond when I return if no one else does
[23:23] <josharenson> ha ok
[23:23] <josharenson> thanks
[23:23] <balloons> josharenson, look at the core apps for examples that work
[23:23] <balloons> that should help
[23:23] <balloons> lp:ubuntu-clock-app for instance


 Is there any way to test my packet consistency? I have high download speeds but skype audio is always cutting out
 maybe try an MTR?
 to skype's voip server
 ok weird, all my addresses seem to show up as ipv6 addresses
 interesting
 @RazPi, Lol that's awesome
 well, is there a point along the traceroute where packets keep dropping on the MTR?
 Are you really full stack ipv6? Or translating?
 probably translating
 You can drop ipv6 at pfSense.
 @RazPi - I am heading to bed. Try to be up around 11:30 ish.
 ok I'll set an alarm, feel free to call me
 Do mtr -4 to do a ipv4 mtr.
 ^
 Mtr -6 for ipv6
 i actually didn't know about that
 that's actually a really useful thing for me to know
 Ipv6 is the most horrible standard they could have come up with.
 just because it's hex?
 @AdamOutler, From a privacy perspective?
 If you took every bit of mass in the world and turned it into an iPhone, you could do that 3 more times and still have an IP address for every device..  but no infrastructure :D
 ah yes
 From a lot of perspectives
 subnetting
 I don't expect most folks to really subnet it out
 Security, verbosity, and usability.
 yeah, subnetting that would probably be a nightmare
 A stack of ipv6 addresses is 4 times larger than ipv4.  Nobody remembers an ipv6.  There is no need to subnet so nobody will, there never will be.
 just assign your /64 block and call it a day
 They don't all have to be ugly
 @AdamOutler true, but for the sake of organization, people will subnet it anyway... or NAT it to ipv4
 Hex is bad too
 Why not 1024.1024.1024.1024.1024.1024
 You have to admit -- ::1 is niiiiice
 ..1 would be nicer
 1024?
 65535
 I'm lost
 ffff
 Yeah.  No one should have to calculate hex
 Luckily for most folks - they won't touch it in their lifetime at this rate.
 I didn't mind working with it however
 think I found my issue, it seems to be timed perfectly with my internet drops
 Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=00:23:ee:b7:3c:ec;CMTS-MAC=00:eb:d5:ec:2f:96;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.0;
 Modem
 Aw nutbunnies.
 I guess I have to buy a new one
 Thanks, this saves me a call to comcast, I'm triggered by the first 30 seconds of their tech support robot now
 x_x
 if it's a comcast modem, you still need to call comcast :-P
 It's a private one actually
 ah
 Anyone recommend a good one that won't hit the pocket too hard?
 no idea
 After swearing off Netgear, I bought a netgear
 your ISP may run with that 'compatible' modem garbage -- may want to check their list
 but any docsis 3.x should be fine imo
 fallback to 3.0 if not, I'm like an addict
 been without decent internet for a week now
 @AdamOutler did suggest a 3.1 version so I'll look out for that
 Orange Pi 3 Allwinner H6 SBC Comes with GbE, USB 3.0, mPCIe … https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/01/19/orange-pi-3-allwinner-h6-sbc/
 @RazPi - on my way
 What is going on today?  Just idly asking.  I'm with family today
 @Ivoriesablaze hey Joel you working today?
 @AdamOutler Not much happening today, probably getting that modem you suggested
 Nope, just waiting to surprise you
 It's a trap!
 https://youtu.be/gNCNj_1bRG0
 This video really gets interesting around 2:40 in
 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0uJKUXiU5T41Fzawy5H6mw


[08:08] <ikonia> notes mib_xwumt was panarchy on multiple channels on freenode last night, kline and ban dodging
[08:09] <ikonia> keep an eye out
[08:19] <jussi01> ikonia: pm
[13:07] <bazhang> heh
[13:58] <jussi01> Ok, just a reminder about the rescheduled IRCC meeting, please comment on the wiki proposal if you have an opinion but cannot be there.
[13:58] <jussi01> IRCC meeting Sunday 9th 0700 UTC! | Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda | Issues Wiki Page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil/IRCteamproposal
[14:27] <gnomefreak> what happened to !snack
[14:27] <elky> !botsnack
[14:27] <elky> not a clue.
[14:28] <elky> !opsnack
[14:28] <gnomefreak> someone erased his brain
[14:28] <elky> !usersnack
[14:28] <Pici> some people decided to remove the fun factoids.
[14:28] <Pici> !botsnack-#ubuntu-offtopic
[14:31] <gnomefreak> oh
[14:31] <Pici> Or made them fun-channel specific...
[14:32] <jussi01> gnomefreak: remember you can !search
[14:33] <jussi01> ;)
[14:33] <jussi01> !search snack
[14:33] <jussi01> !scoobysnacks
[14:33] <Pici> !cookie
[14:33] <Pici> silly
[14:41] <gnomefreak> oops forgot search sorry
[18:03] <Jari> uhm. hi
[18:03] <Flannel> Howdy Jari, how can we help you today?
[18:03] <Jari> i am banned from #ubuntu
[18:04] <Jari> but i dont know why :/
[18:05] <Flannel> You sent a notice to the entire channel about Wii and DS stuff
[18:06] <Jari> oh, yeah i know.. i fucked up a script :/
[18:06] <Jari> for how long is the ban?
[18:06] <Jari> çuz in all the other chans im unbanned already
[18:07] <Flannel> If we won't have any more problems, we can remove it right now.
[18:07] <Flannel> If you'll take the time to read over the IRC guidelines and code of conduct (which includes avoiding profanity, by the way),
[18:08] <Flannel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[18:08] <Jari> you won't have more problems, i stopped mIRC scripting already because its not cross-platform
[18:08] <Jari> im going to learn some tcl scripting because im getting eggdrop soon.. and that bot won't even be on freenode
[18:11] <Jari> im still banned btw Flannel
[18:11] <Flannel> right, have you read and understood those documents?
[18:12] <Jari> i do understand them :_
[18:12] <Jari> :)*
[18:16] <Flannel> Alright, I've lifted the ban
[18:17] <Jari> k, ty
[18:48] <Guest35724> hi I can't join #ubuntu it say banned or something like, what do I do ?
[18:52] <Pici> Guest35724: It looks like the last time you were here you caused a bit of a problem.
[18:54] <Guest35724> ???
[18:57] <Pici> Guest35724: Is this the nick that you normally use?
[18:58] <Guest35724> no
[18:58] <Guest35724> simoniz normaly
[19:01] <Pici> Flannel: Ping, I believe  this is your ban.
[19:02] <Pici> Guest35724: Sorry for the deal, I'm just at work and a bit busy with other stuff as well.
[19:02] <Guest35724> ok
[19:05] <Flannel> Guest35724: How many people use your computer?
[19:09] <Flannel> Alright, ignore that question.
[19:10] <Flannel> Guest35724: Last time you were in #ubuntu, you were randomly pasting a URL for a good long while, even after being asked to stop and after you were removed from the channel once.  What's the deal?
[19:14] <Guest35724> they where not helping, I was trying something to do a tutorial after ...
[19:17] <Pici> Guest35724: And then afterwards you came in here and did the same thing and then threatened to call your bots in.
[19:19] <Pici> Do you remember that?
[19:20] <Guest35724> yes but you're there to help or to be nothing less than time-wasters ?
[19:21] <Pici> We're all volunteers.
[19:21] <Pici> !guidelines
[19:21] <Pici> !patience
[19:24] <Pici> I'm not sure how your actions would have been approparate whether we were volunteers or not though.
[19:24] <Pici> Could you please take a look at the IRC guidelines and let me know when you have finished reading them.
[19:24] <Guest35724> cut your junk chat ...
[19:31] <JanC> lol, ban_timeout["Guest35724"] += 365 days  ;)
[19:44] <Flannel> At least he made that easy, I guess.
[20:43] <Tm_T> weird
[23:13] <dragon> howdy folks
[23:14] <dragon> do we have a rule that requires people to recommend Ubuntu solutions before telling people to use other distros?
[23:15] <dragon> there's an argument flaring up in #ubuntu, someone might want to check it out
[23:15] <bazhang> dragon, got it covered thanks
[23:16] <dragon> bazhang: forgot that you are one of the Ops, my bad.
[23:16] <dragon> bazhang: thanks
[23:16] <bazhang> dragon, thanks for the heads up
[23:16] <dragon> np
[23:31] <bazhang> sigh
[23:35] <bazhang> Bodsda is taking a hard line on recommending other distros in #ubuntu , such as puppy, mint etc
[23:38] <nalioth> bazhang: off topic for #ubuntu.  perfect for #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:43] <bazhang> nalioth, that is what I suggested; he said not being able to recommend other distros prevents him from 'giving support' (he is a main helper in mint channel )
[23:44] <nalioth> that is bullfeathers
[23:44] <nalioth> he needs to be mindful of our channel guidelines
[23:44] <bazhang> yep; I also suggested ##linux


[11:29] <thyriaen>  Hi, i got a 2.1 setup and my subwoofer does not seem to be working. if i let the test gui put sound on each speaker seperatly it can do that with left and right but there is no sound comming out of the subwoofer
[11:30] <thyriaen> this is my /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[11:30] <thyriaen> http://pastebin.com/gW4VdxCb
[11:30] <thyriaen> i already changed enable-lfe-remixing to yes
[11:30] <thyriaen> as suggested in multiple sources
[14:39] <OvenWerks> thyriaen: using pavucontrol
[14:40] <OvenWerks> this should get run by "Sound Settings" from the speaker icon in the top bar.
[14:41] <OvenWerks> thyriaen: in the Configuration tab, use the drop down for the sound card (audio interface) you are using to see if there is a 2.1 setting there.
[14:42]  * OvenWerks is sorry he can't test that here as he runs stereo only.
[14:43] <thyriaen> yes OvenWerks
[14:43] <thyriaen> there is a 2.1 setting there
[14:44] <thyriaen> well it depends
[14:44] <thyriaen> i got "Built-in audio" there are like 15 options
[14:44] <OvenWerks> That sounds normal.
[14:44] <thyriaen> and then there is a GK104 HDMI audio controller
[14:44] <thyriaen> with no 2.1 settings
[14:45] <OvenWerks> hdmi should be 5 channels I think
[14:45] <thyriaen> when i select 2.1
[14:45] <thyriaen> then there is no sound anymore
[14:46] <OvenWerks> 5 or 7 channel should work too. just use only l/r/lfe
[14:46] <thyriaen> i had "duplex" currently selected
[14:46] <thyriaen> i dont use the hdmi thingy though
[14:46] <OvenWerks> Ah, right. duplex is stereo
[14:46] <OvenWerks> outputs match inputs
[14:47] <OvenWerks> It shouldn't have to be that way though.
[14:48] <thyriaen> so what now ? if i select 2.1
[14:48] <thyriaen> i got no sound at all
[14:50] <OvenWerks> I really don't know. I haven't used internal audio for some time (10 years or so) It may make sense to ask on the #pulse channel
[14:50] <thyriaen> haha
[14:50] <thyriaen> okey :)
[14:50] <OvenWerks> I know that internal audio switches ports for different modes
[14:50] <thyriaen> im getting sent from channel to channel :)
[14:50] <thyriaen> okey
[14:50] <thyriaen> i will try and ask for help in #pulse
[14:51] <OvenWerks> I bet, for recording, people generally use 2 channels
[14:51] <thyriaen> there is noone there
[14:52] <OvenWerks> hmm, I know one of the pulse devs is also a ubuntu dev.... but I think they may be mon to fri people.
[14:53] <OvenWerks> I personally only use pulse as a front end for jack, so my setup is totally different than normal.
[14:53] <thyriaen> maybe #pulseaudio ?
[14:53] <thyriaen> there are peeps there
[14:53] <OvenWerks> That may make more sense
[14:53] <thyriaen> oki
[14:54] <thyriaen> okey
[14:54] <thyriaen> well thanks for the help
[14:54] <thyriaen> i gotta run
[14:54] <thyriaen> cya around :)
[14:54] <OvenWerks> TTYL