[00:09] <veebers> wallyworld: hmm, I've never heard of that before and can't find any reference to it. Looks like jujugui bot commented on the previous PRs so perhaps handled by them?
[00:10] <wallyworld> veebers: could be the case, i'll follow up, thanks
[00:12] <veebers> wallyworld: sweet, sorry to pass it off :-\
[00:12] <wallyworld> totslly ok
[00:19] <anastasiamac> could i get an easy review of resources cmd registration complying with the fold - https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7686
[00:20] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: lookinh
[00:20] <babbageclunk> g
[00:23] <wallyworld> menn0: i've replied, i hope it makes sense
[00:23] <menn0> wallyworld: ok thanks
[00:24] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: \o/
[00:25] <menn0> wallyworld: that helps
[00:26] <wallyworld> menn0: still haven't decided whether we need status history etc. regardless, i think having status attribute on relation doc for the current value is useful; any history would be stored in the separate collection
[00:26] <wallyworld> makes the watcher much easier to write
[00:26] <menn0> wallyworld: that sounds right. i'm not sure about the need for history either.
[00:26] <menn0> I guess i'm not clear on what would cause the status to change
[00:27] <wallyworld> if someone revokes an offer for example
[00:27] <wallyworld> because a bill is unpaid or whatever
[00:27] <wallyworld> of they exceed a quota
[00:27] <wallyworld> *or
[00:27] <menn0> ok cool
[00:27] <wallyworld> any relations to that offer would become revoked
[00:28] <wallyworld> departed hooks would run
[00:28] <wallyworld> but relation is still there
[00:28] <wallyworld> rendered somehow in gui and inactive
[00:28] <wallyworld> able to be re-enabled again
[00:28] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: lgtm'd
[00:28] <menn0> wallyworld: cool. that helps my understanding a lot.
[00:29] <wallyworld> menn0: sorry for brief PR description, there wasn't a lot of context there for sure
[00:29] <menn0> all good
[00:41] <menn0> wallyworld: review done
[01:24] <wallyworld> menn0:  thanks for review. i considered the simpler approach with the strings watcher and followup api call. but for cross controller communication, i was trying to eliminate the chattiness. in this use case, we don't need to know anything else from the watched model apart from life/status, so making a second api call (potentially across clouds) to get a simple scalar value that is instead passed across with the initial notification seemed
[01:24] <wallyworld> wasteful and something that would not scale so well. what do you think? with the notify->api call approach, i'd still need to do extra code to provide the apis to get the relation life/status. so there's no real net code reduction. and it is more chatty which is bad for networked services. i'm happy to revisit though if needed
[01:28] <menn0> wallyworld: np. as long as you've thought about it :)
[01:30] <wallyworld> menn0: the non-simple approach did bother me though. i'm still not 100% convinced it's the right thing to do to deviate from the model used elsewhere. what is your regret about the migration watcher?
[01:33] <menn0> wallyworld: a couple things: if you want access to the data/logic behind the watcher *without* using a watcher you end up having to double it up
[01:34] <menn0> wallyworld: and: managing the changing of data returned by a watcher API is more painful
[01:34] <menn0> they're harder to version
[01:39] <wallyworld> menn0: the watcher events arrive in the order they are generated server side i think? in my case here, we just care about knowing the last/latest status value. there's always the chance that the relation could go active again on the other side after you get told it's revoked, but there'd still be an as yet undelivered notification to act on to correct things. and life can only go one way. so i think it works out ok?
[01:40] <menn0> wallyworld: if you only need to know the latest status, then the "notify and check" pattern is probably better
[01:41] <menn0> wallyworld: b/c the API call to get current state, sees the latest state
[01:41] <menn0> wallyworld: where-as queued up "rich" notifications could have stale data in them
[01:41] <wallyworld> it does. but it's an api call that would otherwise not need to be made
[01:41] <menn0> wallyworld: totally
[01:42] <menn0> wallyworld: in this case, b/c of the nature of the API requests (cross-cloud), a specialised watcher certainly makes more sense
[01:42] <wallyworld> and multiple that uneeded api call by 1000 or however many consumers there are
[01:42] <wallyworld> more load on the offering controller
[02:05] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: did you see comment #7 on this bug 1705730?
[02:05] <mup> Bug #1705730: `juju migrate` fails with source prechecks failed ERROR <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1705730>
[02:06] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: no, I hadn't - thanks
[02:06] <wallyworld> np, i assumed you had been looking at it?
[02:23] <wallyworld> axw: thanks for review
[02:43] <axw> babbageclunk: your PR is good to land
[02:43] <anastasiamac> another tiny and easy review, please \o/ https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7688 (order resources list output)
[02:47] <babbageclunk> axw: oh, thanks!
[02:48] <babbageclunk> thumper: can you merge https://github.com/juju/1.25-upgrade/pull/6 plz?
[02:48] <thumper> babbageclunk: you can now
[02:49] <babbageclunk> thumper: oh, so I can - thanks!
[04:42] <axw> wallyworld: can you please create a section under TODO in leankit for 1.25 upgrades?
[04:42] <wallyworld> sure
[04:45] <wallyworld> axw: done
[04:45] <axw> wallyworld: gracias
[04:45] <axw> babbageclunk: if you've got things to add ^^
[04:48] <babbageclunk> axw: oh yes, good call
[05:31] <babbageclunk> axw: how can I find what permissions I have on a model?
[05:32] <babbageclunk> axw: (or what permissions some other juju user has on the model)
[05:33] <axw> babbageclunk: I think "juju show-model" lists users/access
[05:33] <axw> yep
[05:34] <babbageclunk> axw: ok - so as a superuser I should be able to grant access to a model to myself, I guess?
[05:35] <axw> babbageclunk: yep
[23:26] <menn0> wallyworld, axw or thumper: I need to bounce some ideas off someone
[23:27] <wallyworld> ok
[23:28] <menn0> wallyworld: quick hangout?
[23:29] <menn0> wallyworld: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/menn0-wallyworld
[23:29] <wallyworld> sure


[12:18] <Riddell> mhb: does it for me.  but you know how opinionated artwork can make people so do ask around
[12:24] <DaSkreech> UPstream?
[01:22] <mhb> Riddell: you're not awake, I presume
[01:24] <ScottK> What would you do if he said No?
[01:24] <Riddell> No :)
[01:25] <mhb> I would tell him "go to sleep, you deserve it"
[01:25] <mhb> "but before you go..."
[01:25] <mhb> http://bayimg.com/KACdJAAbj
[01:26] <Riddell> new knotify?
[01:26] <mhb> no, a child of KPassivePopup
[01:27] <Riddell> oh yes
[01:27] <mhb> a class which simply sets a different width and palette
[01:27] <Riddell> but did you change KPassivePopup or just in power-manager?
[01:27] <mhb> just a hack in power-manager
[01:28] <Riddell> fair enough
[01:28] <Riddell> I don't know anything else that actually uses KPassivePopup, since it's so ugly normally
[01:29] <mhb> KBluetooth perhaps
[01:29] <mhb> also, Kopete bubbles may be a type of KPassivePopup
[01:29] <mhb> but I'm not sure about that
[01:30] <xerosis> what's happening with knotify in kde4?not heard much
[01:32] <mhb> Riddell: now the kmilo OSD and we'll be consistent :o)
[01:40] <Riddell> xerosis: I've not heard much either
[01:41] <nixternal> knotify just got some qt4 love I think so far
[01:41] <xerosis> nixternal: does it look any better?
[01:41] <nixternal> probably not yet
[01:42] <xerosis> well, it can't be any worse...
[03:59] <pdenapo> Hello, I've been testing kubuntu 7.04
[03:59] <pdenapo> but it still has a serious bug
[04:00] <pdenapo> that has been reported a long time ago but it is not fixed
[04:00] <pdenapo> it cannot detect a serial mouse
[04:01] <pdenapo> I think is a serious issue for newbbies
[04:02] <pdenapo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/9068
[04:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 9068 in xorg "Serial mice are not autodetected" [Medium,Confirmed]
[04:02] <pdenapo> exactly
[04:02] <pdenapo> but something has to be done about it
[04:02] <pdenapo> advanced users like myself can edit the xorg. file by hand
[04:02] <pdenapo> and kill the X server process
[04:03] <pdenapo> but this is not acceptable for newbbies
[04:03] <mhb> pdenapo: you see, it's not Kubuntu's fault
[04:03] <mhb> pdenapo: because that bug is in Xorg
[04:03] <mhb> pdenapo: and we share the Xorg package with Ubuntu
[04:03] <pdenapo> but we can do something about it
[04:03] <pdenapo> we can provide for example
[04:04] <pdenapo> an option to select at boot time
[04:04] <pdenapo> for using a serial mouse
[04:04] <mhb> pdenapo: it can be fixed, no doubt about it. But the people in this channel are KDE package maintainers mostly.
[04:04] <pdenapo> I think it is an mdect problem
[04:04] <pdenapo> ah, OK
[04:04] <mhb> pdenapo: the #ubuntu-devel channel might help you more
[04:05] <pdenapo> thanks
[04:05] <pdenapo> I will try to discuss the issue there
[04:05] <pdenapo> sorry for creating noise, then
[04:06] <mhb> pdenapo: No problem - we just can't do much with your problem.
[04:10] <manchicken> Okay, it's hacking time.
[04:11] <manchicken> Riddell: Since I've been so roadblocked by the bzr branch of adept, I'm gonna just work off of the deb-src version.
[04:12] <manchicken> I've got a couple bugs that I'm going to try to squish tonight.
[04:36] <manchicken> I'm wondering if the dependencies in the deb-src for adept are correct.
[05:58] <nixternal> what is new and outstanding in Tribe 2 for us?
[05:58] <ajmitch> you!
[05:59] <nixternal> why thank you :)
[05:59] <nixternal> the gutsy-changes list wasn't getting updated due to the lp updates iirc
[06:00] <nixternal> gdebi-kde right mhb :)
[06:12] <manchicken> Adept has got to be one of the trickiest programs to debug.
[06:13] <nixternal> hehe
[06:13] <crimsun> manchicken: RE: your earlier statement about sound: some app is mucking with your mixer element(s).
[06:14] <manchicken> crimsun: Yeah... I know that my sound device is easily distracted, so I have the sound system lock it and hold onto the lock.
[06:14] <manchicken> sometimes it just seems like something gets to it first.
[06:15] <manchicken> crimsun: But gutsy is working quite nicely.
[06:15] <manchicken> The benefit of running the unstable development version is that you can hack without chroots ;)
[06:21] <DaSkreech> :grins
[06:22] <manchicken> guy*
[06:23] <DaSkreech> I naturally read that as GUI
[06:23] <DaSkreech> manchicken: have you used vigor?
[06:23] <manchicken> Nope.  I've used GNU Emacs though :)
[06:28] <DaSkreech> You do know that the vi guy is older right?
[06:28] <DaSkreech> so .. you have much less reason (and moral standing) to stab him
[06:35] <DaSkreech> ?me hugs Hobbsee
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Stupid Windows has my fingers fugged
[06:35] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech!
[06:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:36] <ScottK> Good morning (for you) Hobbsee.    Sorry.
[06:42] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Good $TIME_OF_DAY to you.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:42] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: been doing release type stuff, etc.  it's fun!
[06:43] <ajmitch> lucky you
[06:44] <DaSkreech> !hobbsee
[06:44] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[06:45] <nixternal> ajmitch: I love working on a package, get it all ready, and bam, new upstream release, or Debian went ahead and released another version in the mean time
[06:46] <ajmitch> nixternal: this was both - I was working on samba 3.0.25a-2, so of course 3.0.25b-1 got let out
[06:46] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Sounds like me on Kubunutt unstable
[06:46] <nixternal> whooo, any goodness to the new release?
[06:46] <ajmitch> more bug fixes
[06:47] <nixternal> cool
[06:47] <DaSkreech>  by the time I do a apt-get update the smae packages I just updated have a new candidate
[06:47] <manchicken> Well, I suppose I have good and bad news...
[06:47] <manchicken> I found the cause of bug #119969.
[06:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969
[06:47] <manchicken> That's the good news.
[06:48] <ajmitch> bad news is it requires a rewrite?
[06:48] <manchicken> The bad news is that it's gonna take some real work to get that details button wrking.
[06:48] <manchicken> Not a rewrite, but that button is bound to an event that goes OVER the river and THROUGH the woods to grandmother's house for manager and updater by using the adept::Browser widget.
[06:49] <ScottK> Bug complains about a useless button.  Removing the button also satsifies the bug, right ;-)
[06:49] <manchicken> But adept installer doesn't make use of adept::Browser, so the event gets lost in the forest.
[06:49] <manchicken> ScottK: Yeah, but I like making the button useful.  It is a useful button.
[06:50] <ScottK> Thus the ;-).  Be careful what you ask for, you may get it.
[06:50] <manchicken> Adept Installer uses the View class for the preview.
[06:50] <manchicken> Ah.
[06:58] <manchicken> I think I may have hacked it... though I fully expect some very strange behavior with this hack :)
[06:58] <manchicken> Nothing like sucking the marrow from one method for use in another :)
[06:59] <nixternal> hrmm, just noticed that the DigiKam 0.9.2 final release hasn't been uploaded yet
[07:02] <nixternal> same with k3b
[07:03] <manchicken> DAMNIT.  View is a QSplitter widget while Browser is a QWidgetStack widget.
[07:03] <manchicken> I don't even know what a QSplitter is.  I'll have to take this up tomorrow with JR.
[07:03] <manchicken> I'm gonna hit the hay to save some brain cells.
[07:04] <manchicken> Check you all later.
[07:04] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:05] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe2/Kubuntu
[07:05] <nixternal> that is what I have so far, nothing written up, but the updates listed at least
[08:04] <nixternal> now you can look at the page, there is content and pics! :)
[08:06] <DaSkreech> eeeeek
[08:07] <DaSkreech> s/GDebi/kDebi/g ummm k?
[08:08] <nixternal> GDebi-KDE
[08:08] <nixternal> it should be KDebi truthfully
[08:08] <nixternal> apt-cache show gdebi-kde
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Is it QT?
[08:08] <nixternal> yup
[08:08] <DaSkreech> ... why isn't it KDebi?
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Ian got huffy?
[08:08] <nixternal> ask mhb, not me
[08:11] <DaSkreech> KDE GDebi?
[08:11] <Jucato> postfixing rather...
[08:12] <Jucato> software-properties-kde, hwdb-kde...
[08:12] <Jucato> ubiquity-frontend-kde
[08:13] <Jucato> oh it was hwdb-client-kde
[08:28] <Hobbsee> anyone else seen the new crystal icons yet?
[08:39] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I am using them
[08:39] <nixternal> they are really nice
[08:39] <nixternal> I love the speaker when you hit mute, although mute doesn't do anything for me with gutsy now ;(
[08:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: have you made a package for them?
[08:39] <nixternal> no I haven't...should I?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:40] <nixternal> roger that, will do
[08:46] <gnomefreak> nixternal: when are you going for motu?
[08:47] <nixternal> err, 27
[08:47] <gnomefreak> nixternal: congrats
[08:47] <nixternal> thanks
[08:48] <gnomefreak> i missed the meeting
[08:48] <gnomefreak> yw
[08:48] <nixternal> so did I, I woke up to it :)
[08:49] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:50] <gnomefreak> i dont think my repo counts to what they are looking for in packaging experience
[08:51] <nixternal> manchicken: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/(Kate)+FileTree+plugin?content=60026   <-- weren't you and I just talking about such a thing?
[08:51] <nixternal> well, you don't have to be the worlds greatest packager, motu is the stepping stone for core-dev, which I think is pretty cool
[08:54] <Jucato> congrats nixternal
[08:55] <nixternal> thanks
[09:01] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[09:03] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yes, you definetly should :)
[09:03] <nixternal> I definitely should what?
[09:03] <Hobbsee> nixternal: make a package for those.
[09:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: do you reckon that those rock harder than the oxygen ones?
[09:06] <nixternal> they are damn good no doubt. dunno where they stand against oxygen though, the oxygen color template I like better
[09:07] <Hobbsee> i prefer this colour template, for some reason.
[09:07] <Hobbsee> oxygen looks quite black and flat to me
[09:07] <Hobbsee> i'ts shiny - but it's very black too
[09:07] <nixternal> there are some that do ya
[09:08] <nixternal> I don't like the refresh button :)
[09:08] <nixternal> the orange and green arrow thing
[09:08] <Hobbsee> yeah...some of it is a little weird
[09:08] <Jucato> yeah...
[09:08] <Jucato> I don't like the new crystal's home button eitehr
[09:08] <Hobbsee> that was the other one
[09:09] <Jucato> I do love the "globe"-type icons... although they don't look like globes and sort of lose the icon metaphor
[09:09] <nixternal> Hobbsee: kde-icons-crystal
[09:09] <nixternal> it seems the old ones are a pacakge, should I just update that package?
[09:09] <nixternal> actually, those say something about being the "Connective Icon Theme" for the ones in our repo already
[09:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: well, they are different themes
[09:09] <nixternal> ya they are
[09:09] <Hobbsee> i'd probably do a kde-icons-crystal-project
[09:10] <nixternal> exactly :)
[09:10] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:10] <Jucato> ok nixternal, gest back to work! :)
[09:10] <nixternal> holy smokes, 21mb dl
[09:10] <nixternal> heh
[09:10] <nixternal> gest ya man
[09:10] <gnomefreak> are we expecting a 3.5.8 release for gutsy?
[09:10] <nixternal> *maybe*
[09:11] <Jucato> maaaaaaaaybe :)
[09:11] <nixternal> hehe
[09:11] <nixternal> they say it will be release in Sept I think, or maybe Oct...I do remember it is quite close to release time
[09:11] <Hobbsee> erk.
[09:11] <Jucato> I doubt they'd release October...
[09:11] <gnomefreak> nixternal: thats kde4 no?
[09:11] <nixternal> 3.5.8
[09:11] <Jucato> although I also doubt they'd release kde4 in october :)
[09:12] <nixternal> Jucato: they will
[09:12] <Jucato> we'll see :)
[09:12] <gnomefreak> 3.5.8 would be useless if it released same time as 4
[09:12] <Jucato> we've had our first schedule "adjustment"...
[09:28] <Hobbsee> xerosis: yes...we need to squish that bug
[09:28] <Hobbsee> the .kde being owned by root
[09:50] <nixternal> Hobbsee: if this icon set doesn't come with a license file, should I create a patch that will create the license file?
[09:50] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it's lgpl.
[09:50] <nixternal> gpl
[09:50] <Hobbsee> lgpl was what i read.  i'm not sure
[09:50] <Hobbsee> http://everaldo.com/crystal/?action=license
[09:51] <nixternal> yup
[09:51] <nixternal> so what does that mean then? it doesn't need the file?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> i'd probably put it in, and say
[09:51] <Hobbsee> "this comes from <address> "
[09:52] <nixternal> should I create a patch for it, or should I just go ahead and create the LICENSE file in the root directory? or do I just put it in the debian/ directory and add it to the docs file?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> not sure.  not sure
[09:53] <nixternal> hrmm
[09:53] <Hobbsee> ask in #ubuntu-devel
[10:11] <danimo> Riddell: http://idea.opensuse.org/content/ideas/integrate-kdm-with-kwallet
[10:11] <danimo> Riddell: looks interesting?
[10:14] <danimo> moin btw!
[10:19] <nixternal> when Hobbsee comes back around (LongPointyStick), know that I have contacted the artist of Crystal asking if he can incorporate the license file, w/o it, we are dead in the water. So by the time I wake up, hopefully I will have some good feedback
[10:19] <nixternal> g'nite
[11:55] <mhb> nixternal: "gdebi-kde" is more consistent, as "gdebi" is the name of the command line tool and "gdebi-gtk" of the Ubuntu one
[12:18] <mhb> nixternal: also, I dislike prefixing stuff with kde- or k-
[12:19] <xerosis> mhb: suffix is the new prefix ;)
[12:19] <Riddell> viviersf: pong (sorry, didn't notice)
[12:19] <mhb> nixternal: yeah, for me :o)
[12:20] <mhb> nixternal: I have a bad experiene with prefixes
[12:20] <xerosis> Riddell: is root not using the user's theme a real bug?
[12:21] <mhb> nixternal: I have known "pyuic" for weeks but J.R. had to tell me there's a "kdepyuic" that does the task better for KDE
[12:22] <mhb> Jucato: eh?
[12:22] <Jucato> nvm :)
[12:22] <mhb> Jucato: and you're who, Hobbsee? :o)
[12:24] <Riddell> danimo: I don't get that, what's it for?
[12:25] <Riddell> xerosis: it's a wishlist bug
[12:25] <Riddell> nixternal: everaldo isn't one to follow licencing needs too strongly
[12:28] <mhb> Riddell: if I understand correctly, that opensuse idea danimo sent a link to is about trying to use logon password for authenticating to kwallet
[12:28] <Jucato> mhb: are you guys still working on the grubconf app?
[12:29] <Jucato> :/
[12:30] <mhb> Jucato: so yes, we are
[12:30] <mhb> Jucato: but by "we" I mean xerosis
[12:31] <Jucato> ok... not really sure who were involved anyway, all I know was you, abattoir_, and seele... anyway... nvm...
[12:31] <mhb> Jucato: it's me and xerosis now, basically
[12:31] <Riddell> mhb: oh, that would make more sense.  I was thinking it used kwallet authentication to log in
[12:33] <Jucato> danimo: is the English edition of your book still set to come out next month?
[12:34] <mhb> Jucato: it's a nice app. Except for one tiny bit - the author didn't bother to check if somebody worked on such app before
[12:35] <Jucato> mhb: maybe. it's not a KDE app anyway. just stumbled on it a while ago. I thought you guys would be interested in seeing other implementations
[12:35] <mhb> Jucato: nah, we have the best :o)
[12:35] <mhb> Jucato: just kidding, but I'm guessing we're the only one with a backend and a frontend
[12:46] <danimo> jonasp: yepp
[12:46] <danimo> args
[12:46] <danimo> he left
[12:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: back, sorry. I have the CD, but, what are the non-destructive tests I should do?
[12:59] <danimo> jonasp: Riddell: it basically allows to unlock the users wallet from KDE
[12:59] <danimo> err
[12:59] <danimo> Riddell:  it basically allows to unlock the users wallet from KDM
[12:59] <Riddell> danimo: but why have it locked at all?
[01:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: check CD, and boot live system
[01:00] <danimo> Riddell: because (a) kwallet suggests locking by password and (b) to avoid that anyone who can read the data on disc can easily read all passwords in the wallet
[01:00] <danimo> Riddell: don't you ever use password protected wallets?
[01:01] <Riddell> danimo: sure, all the time
[01:01] <mhb> danimo: will they merge that feature with upstream?
[01:01] <Riddell> although I set the password not to time out so it's only once per session
[01:02] <danimo> Riddell: still, what for?
[01:02] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok
[01:02] <danimo> Riddell: usually I lock in, wander away for a few mins, and see my startup is incomplete because e.g. knetworkmanager needs to unlock the wallet
[01:02] <danimo> mhb: not for 3.5, since 3.5 branch is currently closed
[01:03] <danimo> mhb: it's a definate good thing for KDE 4 though
[01:04] <manchicken> Riddell: I found the cause of bug #119969.  Both solutions I can think of will be considerably tricky.
[01:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969
[01:05] <manchicken> Riddell: I actually think that implementing the details view will be simpler, unless the QPushButton has a hide method.
[01:05] <manchicken> And even then just removing the button would be tricky.
[01:06] <mhb> manchicken: every QWidget had a hide method, doesn't it?
[01:06] <Riddell> manchicken: all widgets have a hide method
[01:06] <manchicken> I never had use for that before :)
[01:06] <Riddell> "Should be pretty simple." never say that about a bug :)
[01:06] <manchicken> Yeah.
[01:07] <manchicken> I'm going to edit that before anybody else sees how foolish it was :)
[01:07] <manchicken> You weren't supposed to see that :)
[01:08] <manchicken> Oooh, no such luck.  No edit button.
[01:08] <manchicken> Oh well.
[01:08] <manchicken> I'll put my findings in the bug with much humility then.
[01:09] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'll be back in a couple hours and I'll tell you anything I find wrong... I need to go to school and pick up my exams :)
[01:09] <xerosis> mhb: have you heard if/when grub2 is going to be used?
[01:09] <mhb> xerosis: just gossip
[01:09] <xerosis> mhb: i read something in the gutsy forum about a grub2 problem
[01:10] <xerosis> that would make grub-config a bit useless
[01:10] <mhb> why so?
[01:10] <xerosis> isn't the format of the configuration changing completely?
[01:10] <xerosis> not sure, not looked for a while
[01:11] <xerosis> oh yeah, it has it's own GUI
[01:11] <mhb> y
[01:11] <mhb> xerosis: 0.97-20ubuntu7
[01:11] <mhb> xerosis: that's the current version I have in gutsy
[01:11] <xerosis> i didn't think there were any plans but the thread just got me curious
[01:13] <mhb> xerosis: there's https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GrubTwo
[01:13] <mhb> xerosis: but it has not been edited for a while
[01:14] <xerosis> mhb: the blueprint was deferred from feisty but it hasn't been accepted for gutsy...
[01:14] <xerosis> well if it doesn't get into gutsy, an gutsy+1 is indeed a LTS, at least grub-config willhave a good run :)
[01:15] <xerosis> also, it needs to be ported to KDE4 pretty soon...
[01:15] <xerosis> will try and get that done after we upload to KDE svn
[01:20] <manchicken> I'm wondering if I've got a unicode problem.
[01:21] <manchicken> I keep getting like \342\200\230variable\342\200\230 issues.  Err, or are those color codes and Emacs is just munging them?
[01:23] <Mez> is kubuntu gutsy stable ish yet?
[01:24] <Mez> meh sod it, I'll upgrade anyways
[01:24] <xerosis> mhb: how's the madwifi svn holding up?
[01:29] <manchicken> Mez: Very stablish.  It gave me my suspend and resume back.
[01:29] <mhb> xerosis: I'm currently on wired net, so I don't know :o)
[01:29] <Mez> o_O lol
[01:29] <xerosis> mhb: bah, kop-out
[01:31] <manchicken> Mez:  The only problem I'm seeing is that I think the version of emacs in gutsy may be having some unicode issues on its terminal-type modes.
[01:32] <manchicken> Mez: And the klash kills my X server... but we suspect that that's an OpenGL issue...
[01:32] <Mez> klash ?
[01:32] <Mez> I dont use emacs
[01:33] <manchicken> Well you should ;)
[01:33] <manchicken> klash is the KPart for gnash... the Free Software flash player.
[01:35] <manchicken> Sweet.  I think switching adept_installer out to use the adept::Browser instead of adept::View for its preview widget may pay off.
[01:35] <mhb> is libqt4 in gutsy good enough for KDE4 to build?
[01:35] <manchicken> If it doesn't, I can always just use the browser in the background and put the child class of view in there :)
[01:35] <manchicken> mhb: I've never had such luck, but Riddell will probably say yes :)
[01:37] <manchicken> Hell yeah it will.  Adept rules.
[01:37] <Mez> lol
[01:37] <jjesse> morning
[01:37] <Mez> manchicken, it never has before ;)
[01:38] <manchicken> Riddell: bug #119969 is about to be marked squished.
[01:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969
[01:38] <Mez> had to do manual upgrade && dist-upgrade && dselect-upgrade
[01:38] <manchicken> Mez: Yes it has.  You just weren't enlightened enough to see it ;0
[01:38] <serzholino> is it known issue that changelog view in apdept doesn't work when behind http proxy?
[01:38] <manchicken> ;)
[01:38] <manchicken> serzholino: Yeah.   Please assign it to me... manchicken.
[01:40] <manchicken> serzholino: I'll try and fix that one this cycle.
[01:40] <Mez> manchicken, hmm - lol
[01:40] <manchicken> Riddell: Oh, and by the way... it was pretty simple ;)
[01:40] <Mez> nor me - hence the dselect-upgrade ;)
[01:41] <manchicken> Mez: I always just sudo aptitude -f dist-upgrade
[01:42] <Mez> manchicken: sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade myself
[01:42] <Mez> watch this f**k up my sound settings tho
[01:42] <manchicken> Mez: My sound still works :)
[01:43] <manchicken> It worked out of the box.
[01:43] <Mez> manchicken, lol - probaly but i have everything wired through jack and someone decided to take jack support out of libasound-plugins so that it could be put in main
[01:44] <manchicken> Mez: Are you using ALSA?
[01:44] <Mez> manchicken, yes - in weird strange ways
[01:45] <manchicken> Mez: You may want to try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart when you have sound troubles.
[01:45] <Mez> an app outputs to alsa, which pipes it to jack, which pipes it to alsa which pipes it to the sound card
[01:45] <manchicken> WTF... alsa-utils doesn't seem to be in my /etc/rc2.d....
[01:45] <Mez> this is why i have issues
[01:45] <Mez> or in amaroks case
[01:46] <Mez> amarok -> xine -> alsa -> jack -> alsa -> sound card
[01:46] <manchicken> Problem solved on that one.
[01:46] <Mez> i've pinned my version of libasound2-plugins though
[01:47] <Mez> manchicken, i have a strange strange sound setup ;)
[01:48] <manchicken> Mez: So what you're saying is that it's all your fault. :)
[01:48] <Mez> manchicken, nope, dholbach's fault for cutting out important code ;)
[01:51] <manchicken> heh
[02:24] <manchicken> Riddell: The patch is on bug #119969
[02:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969
[02:24] <ScottK> nixternal: You would probably need to repack the orig.tar.gz to add the license file.  Mithrandir made me do that once (it was on my first package ever) when upstream didn't have a license file.
[02:26] <Riddell> it's a bit dodgy adding a licence file yourself
[02:27] <manchicken> I suppose that depends.  If it's just straight GPL, then what's the difference in who includes the copy of the GPL?
[02:27] <manchicken> But I would think you need to be careful to make sure you're certain you've got the right one.
[02:27] <manchicken> Hobbsee!!!  Thanks for cleaning up those nasty buggies for me.
[02:28] <manchicken> I'm still not quite sure how they got assigned to me :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> manchicken: no problem :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> manchicken: you know that you can set statuses and whatnot?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> as to why you got bugmial over them?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> you're a contact of adept on LP i expect
[02:30] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Yeah, I just wanted someone to double-check.
[02:30] <manchicken> I can't change the priority, and that's about it.
[02:30] <manchicken> No, two of those issues were actually assigned to me.
[02:30] <manchicken> The debconf and the wishlist one were both assigned to me.
[02:30] <manchicken> heh
[02:31] <Hobbsee> manchicken: ahh.  i thought you could change the importance
[02:31] <manchicken> The wishlist one I think is actually fixed with Riddell's software-properties port.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> manchicken: or are you not in QA?
[02:31] <manchicken> Naw, I can't change importance.
[02:31] <manchicken> Nope, I'm not in QA.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> for some reason i thought team contacts could as well.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> to put it into line with the rest of the changes
[02:32] <ScottK> Riddell: In the case I did it, the program was clearly GPL, Mithrandir just wanted the full text in the package somewhere.  It was a small Perl app and the GPL may have been longer than that application.
[02:38] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Could you change bug #119089 to medium priority for me?  I have seen several complaints about that one.
[02:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119089 in adept "Unable to fetch the Developer Changelog" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119089
[02:38] <manchicken> I would think that it's a pretty big issue as there is NO way to get developer changelog to respect proxies.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> done
[02:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:39] <manchicken> Much thanks :)
[02:39] <ScottK> manchicken: You ought to apply for -qa.  I expect it'd cost you less time to apply than it takes you to ask.
[02:40] <manchicken> ScottK: I don't work enough bugs.
[02:40] <manchicken> the only reason I'm working bugs now is because adept REALLY needs it.
[02:40] <ScottK> manchicken: You only need 5 to apply.
[02:40] <manchicken> Oh.
[02:40] <ScottK> Adept out to get you that many easliy.
[02:40] <manchicken> Gosh, I think I have that.
[02:40] <manchicken> I'll worry about that later.
[02:40] <ScottK> They should be 5 good ones.
[02:41] <manchicken> I've only got an hour and twenty minutes before I have to work and stop hacking.
[02:54] <manchicken> Grumble... I know someone mentioned this, but isn't there a KDE class that just fetches a file from an HTTP host and gives you a stream?
[02:55] <Riddell> kio
[02:57] <mhb> finally
[02:57] <manchicken> What?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> tribe 2
[02:58] <Hobbsee> ti's thursday.  this was the scheduled day
[03:04] <mhb> xdg-user-dirs are going to be in kubuntu by default as well, right?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> mhb: say what now?
[03:04] <xerosis> mhb: already appeared on mine i think
[03:04] <Hobbsee> mhb: no idea, hasnt been discussed.
[03:05] <mhb> xerosis: I have them here, but I have ubuntu-desktop as well
[03:05] <xerosis> i think i had them before i installd i-d
[03:05] <xerosis> *u-d
[03:05] <Hobbsee> they havent been done by default
[03:05] <mhb> Hobbsee: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe2
[03:05] <Hobbsee> previously
[03:05] <Hobbsee> mhb: yeah, i saw.  i proofread that :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> but i didnt know there was talk of them for kubuntu
[03:06] <mhb> I didn't hear anything either
[03:06] <mhb> but it seems logical to have them, too
[03:06] <xerosis> maybe i only noticed them after i installed u-d then
[03:08] <Hobbsee> ScottK: how'd the kde stuff go?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> the kdepim?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: how did the crystal icons go?
 when Hobbsee comes back around (LongPointyStick), know that I have contacted the artist of Crystal asking if he can incorporate the license file, w/o it, we are dead in the water. So by the time I wake up, hopefully I will have some good feedback
[03:09] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I'm still testing stuff.  I haven't made a huge amount of progress (nothing to commit yet).  Thanks to shawarma hitting me with a clue stick several times I'm finally on track to fix a vexious clamsmtp bug, so I got a bit distracted.
[03:10] <manchicken> Riddell: Do you know if KIO::get is asynchronous or not?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> nixternal: way cool.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ScottK: well done!
[03:11] <xerosis> the new crystal icons sure are nice
[03:11] <Hobbsee> very...
[03:12] <Hobbsee> i wonder how they handled that last time - although i guess the crystal icons were on kde.org last time
[03:12] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm guessing that since it has a progress info argument that it's asynchronous...
[03:13] <xerosis> mhb: what was the difference between pyuic and kdepyuic?
[03:14] <Riddell> manchicken: it is
[03:14] <manchicken> Good :)
[03:15] <manchicken> They don't have any examples of this one.  I'm wondering if it starts right away or if I have to call the start(Slave) method.
[03:15] <manchicken> And of course start(Slave) is undocumented.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> proposed meeting next week, btw.
[03:15] <Riddell> manchicken: can't you use kfile
[03:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: mm, yes, lets
[03:15] <Riddell> oh, akademy week
[03:15] <Riddell> still, should be able to fit it in
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: got a preference of time?  i'm on uni holidays now
[03:16] <Riddell> xerosis: one is for pyqt, one is for pykde
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and there's a seriously cool, new icon set, that we should use for kubuntu, pre KDE4
[03:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: any time wednesday before 21:00 UTC should be ok
[03:17] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm thinking of just using KIO::get()... but the thing is that I don't know if I have to start the job or not.  My concern is that the fetch will start before I get a chance to connect to the data signal.  I know it's VERY unlikely that I'll miss the data, but I don't like the uncertainty.
[03:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well, check with kwwii before you get too excited about more crystal
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: will do
[03:17] <Hobbsee> i'd like to see him at the meeting anyway
[03:18] <kwwii> hrm?
[03:18] <kwwii> crystal?
[03:18] <kwwii> which meeting?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can i pick a...1400 UTC or something then?
[03:18] <manchicken> Okay, I'm just gonna try calling start().
[03:18] <Hobbsee> kwwii: welcome, from under the rock!
[03:18] <Hobbsee> kwwii: kubuntu meeting, and everaldo's done a really nice new crystal project theme
[03:19] <Hobbsee> kwwii: how's the artwork?
[03:19] <kwwii> Hobbsee: no doubt, my wife has been sick - working and taking care f the kid full time is hard work
[03:19] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ouch!  :(
[03:19] <Hobbsee> sorry to hear that
[03:19] <mhb> Hobbsee: hmm, I don't like it that much
[03:19] <kwwii> Hobbsee: we could use it in Gutsy but once kde4 is out I assume we'll use Oxygen
[03:19] <kwwii> his stuff is non-svg
[03:19] <Tm_T> :/
[03:19] <kwwii> so we cannot simply make the icons we need without more effort
[03:19] <mhb> also very OS-X-ish
[03:20] <Hobbsee> kwwii: yeah, i was assuming it was kde4
[03:20] <Hobbsee> ahh
[03:20] <kwwii> I would rather see us use tango before crystal
[03:20] <Hobbsee> heh, fair enough
[03:21] <Riddell> gosh, them's fighting words
[03:21] <kwwii> ;-)
[03:21] <kwwii> that is the aggresive american coming out in me :-)
[03:22] <mhb> Hobbsee: I've tried the Crystal project theme today... and, well.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:22] <mhb> Hobbsee: could you please tell me what the Office icon in K menu is? It looks like a toilet to me
[03:22] <Hobbsee> mhb: meh.  fair enough.  i can like it
[03:24] <Hobbsee> mhb: looking.  i'm not sure
[03:24] <Hobbsee> mhb: it's a typewriter
[03:25] <mhb> Hobbsee: point is, the icons don't look that well when small
[03:25] <Hobbsee> this is true
[03:25] <mhb> Hobbsee: also, there are several icons/symbols that are copied over from OS X
[03:26] <mhb> Hobbsee: the Settings K Menu icon, for example, or the Accessibility icon
[03:26] <Hobbsee> maybe that's why i like it :P
[03:27] <mhb> Hobbsee: I guess you like it because it's shiny :o)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> yeah.   i like shiny.
[03:27] <mhb> Hobbsee: we all know you like shiny
[03:27] <ShinyMonster> give...me...shiny.....
[03:27] <ShinyMonster> give...me...shiny.....now....
[03:27] <ShinyMonster> must...have...shiny....
[03:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 14:00 is fine with me
[03:31] <Hobbsee> ok
[03:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: have you seen my last night's hackish attempts?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> mhb: -ELACKINGCONTEXT
[03:32] <Hobbsee> mhb: hackish attempts at what?
[03:33] <marseillai> do we have XDG-user-directories in kubuntu too ???
[03:34] <mhb> Hobbsee: http://bayimg.com/NAcAoaAbj and http://bayimg.com/KACdJAAbj
[03:34] <Hobbsee> marseillai: not currently
[03:34] <marseillai> cool
[03:35] <marseillai> Hobbsee, do you know if we'll get this into kubuntu ?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> marseillai: i suggest that gets discussed at the meeting
[03:35] <marseillai> oki
[03:38] <xerosis> i'm probably going to embarrass myself here: but how does konversation choose what colour a person's nick is?
[03:39] <mhb> Hobbsee: so, do you have more context now? What do you say?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> mhb: looks very cool :)
[03:39] <Hobbsee> xerosis: i believe by a super secret algorithm
[03:40] <Hobbsee> xerosis: it's something to do with either adding the number of letters, and %8, or the ascii sum of the letters, and %8'ing them
[03:40] <Hobbsee> i dont remember which
[03:40] <xerosis> oh, though it was something more meaningful :(
[03:40] <manchicken> Riddell: That patch I put up on the bug for 119969 was actually applied before I ran debian/rules apply-patches.
[03:41] <manchicken> Riddell: In case it gives you trouble.
[03:41] <manchicken> I think I have the proxy thing fixed, too.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> xerosis: i believe that was the answer, when it was asked in #konversatoin
[03:42] <Hobbsee> er, if it were spelled correctly
[03:45] <xerosis> kdebase down to 465 bugs :)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> yay!
[03:49] <manchicken> Oh shit.
[03:49] <manchicken> I've got a namespace conflict with libapt-front and kio.
[03:55] <manchicken> I think I may have fixed it.
[03:55] <manchicken> Without patching KDE :)
[03:55] <manchicken> Is there an HTTP debugger program that anybody knows of for KDE?
[04:03] <manchicken> Man I make good coffee.
[04:05] <xerosis> Hobbsee: bug 70936, does that bug make sense?
[04:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70936 in kdebase "No umount option on cdrom device icon in Kubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70936
[04:05] <xerosis> the fix provided doesn't work either
[04:05] <Hobbsee> xerosis: i'm sorting out some harassment here, so...
[04:05] <xerosis> Hobbsee: no worries
[04:11] <manchicken> So how do you solve a problem when Qt says there's no such signal, when you see the signal being declared in kio/jobclasses.h?
[04:11] <manchicken> heh
[04:11] <manchicken> Oh, I bet it's because I gave it a null slave.
[04:12] <manchicken> That might do it :)
[04:17] <nixternal> mornin'
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hiya
[04:21] <manchicken> nixternal: Wuddup MOTU?
[04:22] <nixternal> I need to take the tv out of my room, staying up until 04:30 and waking up at 09:00 is no fun
[04:24] <manchicken> Nice.
[04:24] <manchicken> That's why I got the laptop out of the bedroom.
[04:26] <nixternal> hehe
[04:31] <mhb> greetings from kde4 (close to) alpha2
[04:33] <nixternal> I had people lovin' KDE 4 last weekend at Barcamp
[04:33] <nixternal> felt kind of sorry because it took away from the foresight guys :)
[04:34] <nixternal> my display was impromptu, and word got around that KDE 4 was on the projector
[04:35] <manchicken> It'd be nice if KDE4 was really ready for use :)
[04:36] <mhb> manchicken: no crash yet :o)
[04:36] <mhb> manchicken: (no X crash, that is)
[04:36] <manchicken> mhb: Oh?
[04:37] <manchicken> mhb: Is there a gutsy package I can play with?
[04:37] <manchicken> Is it possible to set it up with kdm to just have you log into KDE4 instead of KDE3?
[04:37] <manchicken> Without hosing your KDE3 setup?
[04:37] <mhb> manchicken: ask Riddell about packages, I guess
[04:37] <mhb> manchicken: and to the second question: of course there is
[04:38] <mhb> manchicken: you have separate .kde4/ and .kde/ dirs
[04:38] <manchicken> That's neat.
[04:38] <Tm_T> err, systemsettings doesn't have panel settings at all?
[04:40] <manchicken> Tm_T: Why not right-click on the panel?
[04:40] <manchicken> The point of systemsettings, IIRC, is to reduce redundancy in settings.
[04:40] <Tm_T> manchicken: what if panel is hidden too well?
[04:41] <manchicken> How well?
[04:41] <Tm_T> apparently user couldn't get it appear
[04:41] <manchicken> That sounds like an interesting problem.
[04:41] <Tm_T> hiding button was behind another panel he couldn't get move/configure
[04:41] <manchicken> I have actually TRIED to get rid of the panel altogether before.
[04:41] <Tm_T> heh
[04:41] <manchicken> It's not very easy...
[04:42] <Tm_T> it's quite easy IMO
[04:42] <Tm_T> if you don't like it running at all, well, just quit it
[04:48] <manchicken> I'll trust packages :)
[04:48] <manchicken> I like to at leastpretend that JR knows what he's doing when he packages those :)
[04:49] <Riddell> remember to set the magic environment variables, and nothing much can happen to you http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php
[04:56] <manchicken> Riddell: After I install the packages, will KDE4 just show up in KDM?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: ping?
[04:57] <Nightrose> pong Hobbsee
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: you're not in ubuntu-qa are you?
[04:57] <Riddell> manchicken: no, see bottom of page linked above for how to do so, although you may be better just using Xephyr
[04:57] <Tm_T> manchicken: it's not about trust, but packages are usually old already ;)
[04:57] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: no
[04:58] <Nightrose> why?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: right.  can you change importance of an amarok bug?
[04:58] <Nightrose> no sorry
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: as in, no time, or launchpad wont let you?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> (trying to reproduce a bug in launchpad here)
[04:58] <Nightrose> launchpad wont let me I think - should I give it a try?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> yes please
[04:58] <Nightrose> which bug?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> any amarok bug that you like the look of
[04:59] <Nightrose> k one moment
[04:59] <manchicken> Riddell: mhb is using it as his DE right now.
[05:00] <manchicken> Thanks for that tutorial though :)
[05:00] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: no, sorry
[05:00] <Nightrose> doesn't let me
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: excellent, thanks.
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Heya
[05:01] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: can you access "wont fix" and "triaged"?  like, will it let you set a bug to either of those states?
[05:01] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm a CRAZY man, no?
[05:02] <manchicken> Riddell: Running gutsy on my primary machine, now dabbling with KDE4?  I must have lost my mind.  I'm a crazy man.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> gutsy on primary machines is fun.  i dont even have a feisty install.
[05:02] <manchicken> My wife's machine is still on feisty.
[05:03] <manchicken> But gutsy is working better for me than feisty did.
[05:03] <DaSkreech> ANy idea why a bash session would take up 60% of my cpu ?
[05:03] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: no can't do that either
[05:03] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Are you sure it's a session and not a script?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: oh nice.  another laucnhpad bug
[05:03] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Not fully but it has init as it's parent
[05:04] <Hobbsee> manchicken: you're definetly a bug contact of adept?  ie the bold box of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+subscribe is ticked?
[05:04] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: maybe it's just me not having enough rights
[05:04] <DaSkreech> I walked through all my visibile konsole tty and yakuake windows and see no scripts
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: you're correct.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: you should have those rights.  it's another bug in launchpad, it looks like
[05:05] <DaSkreech> it has no parents other than init, has no children, but takes up 60% of my CPU time
[05:06] <DaSkreech>  /j kde
[05:07] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i presume you couldnt use wontfix or triaged either?
[05:09] <manchicken> Okay, what now?
[05:09] <manchicken> I'm catching up.  Gimme one second.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> manchicken: to triage adept bugs
[05:14] <manchicken> Nice.
[05:14] <manchicken> "I want to receive all bugmail from adept in ubuntu"
[05:14] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:14] <Hobbsee> it's handy
[05:14] <manchicken> Okay, I'm gonna have to work for a little bit.  Back in a little.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> have fun
[05:15] <mhb> Riddell: are you (or anyone) building the KDE4 alpha2 packages?
[05:15] <mhb> Riddell: or is that early for that?
[05:16] <Riddell> mhb: I'm not yet, I don't know when the targetted release is
[05:16] <hunger> mhb: It does not even have a name yet.
[05:17] <Riddell> mhb: they need various supporting packages first, not all of which have releases (soprano, strigi, ..)
[05:17] <mhb> ah, okay
[05:17] <hunger> Riddell: I guess you got enough other stuff to do with akademy coming up, too;-)
[05:17] <Riddell> mhb: but I can get someone the tarballs if anyone wants to have a try
[05:18] <mhb> Riddell: well, I know I'm not :o) I'm the clueless guy here when it comes to packaging
[05:30] <hunger> Riddell: Will TT hand out deadly devices at this years akademy again?
[05:33] <manchicken> Okay, I'm gonna give KDE4 a whirl...
[05:33] <manchicken> Back in a minute... hopefully.
[05:37] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:38] <Riddell> hunger: no they aren't, we will be selling europe to UK adaptors at cost
[05:39] <hunger> Riddell: Great to know... I'll try to find some here then to get me through the night on friday:-)
[05:39] <hunger> Riddell: Thanks!
[06:01] <manchicken> KDE4 doesn't like me.
[06:01] <nixternal> hehe
[06:01] <manchicken> It won't even start for me.
[06:02] <mhb> manchicken: did you try the binaries?
[06:02] <sahin_h> Hi Kubuntu developers. I just found in the irc log my bugreport: https://launchpad.net/bugs/70936
[06:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70936 in kdebase "No umount option on cdrom device icon in Kubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[06:02] <manchicken> mhb: That's what I'm running on.
[06:02] <mhb> manchicken: yeah, those are pretty old and unstable
[06:02] <sahin_h> I just realized the provided fix was eated by launchpad.
[06:03] <sahin_h> I'm going to update this bug report.
[06:03] <xerosis> sahin_h: oddly enough i was just looking at that bug
[06:03] <xerosis> sahin_h: oh you saw it, must read better
[06:04] <sahin_h> The fix which is provided by me is broked by launchpad. :-(
[06:04] <sahin_h> launchpad cut the end of my line...
[06:04] <nixternal> I want one of them KDE pillows sebas posted in his blog..that is way to cool
[06:04] <nixternal> actually I want a couple, they would complement the living room :)
[06:04] <manchicken> mhb: Well, update them :)
[06:05] <xerosis> sahin_h: i tried it even without the incomplete line and it turned mounted media into folders
[06:05] <manchicken> I really don't feel like compiling them all again.
[06:05] <mhb> manchicken: me? :o) I've never touched a package in my life
[06:05] <manchicken> I'll go ahead and live with 3.5.7.
[06:05] <manchicken> Isn't 3.5.8 out?
[06:05] <xerosis> mhb: just installed the madwifi svn, much better :)
[06:05] <manchicken> I don't know what the difference is though, so I suppose it doesn't really matter.
[06:05] <sahin_h> xerosis: The fix is works for me, I use it everyday.
[06:06] <sahin_h> See my update a little bit later...
[06:06] <xerosis> manchicken: you're the "adept guy" right?
[06:08] <xerosis> manchicken: ignore me, going to try something
[06:09] <manchicken> xerosis: I should get it tattooed on my forehead, eh?
[06:09] <manchicken> heh
[06:09] <xerosis> manchicken: it sounded better in my head ;)
[06:09] <sahin_h> xerosis: I uploaded the fix (media_unmount.desktop) file to launchpad. https://launchpad.net/bugs/70936
[06:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70936 in kdebase "No umount option on cdrom device icon in Kubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[06:10] <sahin_h> xerosis: This file works for me on Kubuntu Feisty
[06:11] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: what concerns me about that is the question of "are users going to know the difference between eject and unmount?"
[06:11] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: and how much is it a corner case of needing to unmount without ejecting
[06:11] <xerosis> and in what case would you want to unmount rather than eject?
[06:11] <xerosis> what Hobbsee said ;)
[06:12] <Hobbsee> For example: I have a mounted CD-RW medium in the CD drive, and I would like to umount and refill with new data.
[06:12] <Hobbsee> how much is it a corner case, that you'd do that?
[06:12] <sahin_h> xerosis: What about a mounted CD-RW, what I want to write with brand new stuff.
[06:12] <xerosis> no need to unmount to refill is there?
[06:12] <Hobbsee> i know you need to unmount to partition - but to delete files, and add more?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> if you're using, say, k3b, surely it should handle that in it's normal operations?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> i mean, it's job is to be a burner.  surely, seeing as we're only talking about burning cds and such here that would require unmounting but not ejecting, the burner should control the mounting/unmounting
[06:13] <sahin_h> I'm just an old fashined Unix guy, so I always umount CD-RW media before I write brand new stuff on it.
[06:14] <sahin_h> I've never try to write a CD-RW wich has been mounted...
[06:14] <Hobbsee> try it, i'd like to know if it works
[06:14] <Hobbsee> at best, it sounds like a corner case
[06:15] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: As you wish... Just give me time to test it.
[06:16] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:17] <xerosis_> gah sorry, did i miss anything?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:12]  <Hobbsee> i know you need to unmount to partition - but to delete files, and add more?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:13]  <Hobbsee> if you're using, say, k3b, surely it should handle that in it's normal operations?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:13]  <Hobbsee> i mean, it's job is to be a burner.  surely, seeing as we're only talking about burning cds and such here that would require unmounting but not ejecting, the burner should control the mounting/unmounting
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:13]  <sahin_h> I'm just an old fashined Unix guy, so I always umount CD-RW media before I write brand new stuff on it.
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:14]  <sahin_h> I've never try to write a CD-RW wich has been mounted...
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:14]  <Hobbsee> try it, i'd like to know if it works
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:14]  <Hobbsee> at best, it sounds like a corner case
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:15]  --> rbrunhuber has joined this channel (n=rbrunhub@highway.mvi.de).
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:15]  <sahin_h> Hobbsee: As you wish... Just give me time to test it.
[06:18] <Hobbsee> [02:16]  <Hobbsee> :)
[06:18] <sahin_h> I use k3b for the test...
[06:19] <xerosis_> [17:13]  <xerosis> cd's can be erased, formatted, overwritted etc without an unmount
[06:19] <xerosis_> [17:15]  <xerosis> sahin_h: just tried the patch again, it still turns my CD into a folder
[06:19] <sahin_h> K3b just told me: The device is used by another application. However k3b is writing the CD now.
[06:20] <xerosis_> if the device is in use, surely you wouldn't be able to unmout it anyway?
[06:20] <sahin_h> xerosis: Well the fix works for me... anyway if it a corner case it dosen't matter.
[06:21] <sahin_h> Ahh k3b reloaded the media before the actual write procedure started.
[06:21] <rbrunhuber> hi Hobbsee
[06:21] <Hobbsee> hiya rbrunhuber :)
[06:21] <rbrunhuber> first hurdle passed. my presentation is over now.
[06:21] <sahin_h> We will see 3 minutes later...
[06:22] <xerosis_> sahin_h: I've never unmounted a CD between writes so I think it should work
[06:22] <Hobbsee> yay!
[06:22] <sahin_h> xerosis: Now I hope the same... Because k3b umounted the media before write it.
[06:23] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: Have to reboot now need an older kernel (2.6.20) to verify a ralink device is working. See you later (although dunno what time it is down under)?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: 2.30am
[06:23] <Hobbsee> cya :)
[06:23] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: so see you tomorrow then, sleep well :-)
[06:24] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:25] <sahin_h> Hobbsee and xerosis: Ok. This is a corner case. No need to umount the CD-RW before write it again. K3b did the job.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: cool.  want to mark the bug as such?
[06:27] <sahin_h> Ok, I'm going to update.
[06:30] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: I updated the entry. Current status is invalid. Is it good status?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: yep
[06:31] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: Ok
[06:33] <sahin_h> I have another interesting bug for you. I submitted it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/109507
[06:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109507 in kdeutils "xorg eat 100% of the CPU when I use superkaramba and lock my desktop for a while ([apport]  Xorg crashed with signal 5)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[06:33] <sahin_h> I saw lot of people confirmed it.
[06:36] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: looks like an upstream superkaramba thing
[06:37] <Hobbsee> ie, not something that would get fixed at a distro level
[06:37] <Hobbsee> (seeing as they know the code, not us)
[06:37] <sahin_h> Ok. I see..
[06:41] <Hobbsee> how can you see if /usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers/ is a KDE-only directory?
[07:04] <sahin_h> I just translated the Kubuntu Tribe 2 announcement to Hungarian. Ok, this is not a full translation, just the changes in nutt shell.
[07:04] <sahin_h> My favorite part was: "Well, the Kubuntu team has decided to roll most of your multimedia dreams into..."
[07:08] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[07:09] <mhb> hmm, can someone help me with directions? I'm trying to compile sebas' powermanager plasmoid and it always complains about "kde4_automoc", which I most likely have
[07:09] <mhb> and I'm not sure where to seek help
[07:10] <mhb> nothing in #kde, #kde4 is empty and I know how -devels get angry over build questions
[07:26] <manchicken> I am loving everything about Kate, except for its lack of Emacs keybindings.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:26] <DaSkreech> mhb: ask in #plasma
[07:27] <DaSkreech> manchicken: prety sure there is a set of keybindings somewhere that convert
[07:27] <xerosis_> manchicken: i have --force-architecture installed a packaged only it's not found to install, any ideas?
[07:27] <manchicken> There is this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ktexteditor+-+emacsextensions?content=21706
[07:28] <xerosis_> *to uninstall
[07:28] <mhb> DaSkreech: like they say - "it is not a support channel"
[07:28] <mhb> DaSkreech: that basically means "if you ask us about build failures, we're gonna be grumpy"
[07:28] <DaSkreech> mhb: techbase then?
[07:28] <DaSkreech> mhb: btw when you say you mostlikely have does that mean that you checked and you do indeed have it?
[07:30] <mhb> martin@blackbook:~/processing/kde/4/src/playground/plasma/engines/battery$ cmake --help-module-list | grep "automoc"
[07:30] <mhb> kde4automoc
[07:34] <jjesse> nixternal: just noticed that nixternal.com shows as for sale for 4 million dollars US
[07:44] <xerosis_> mhb: what changes does 'make last OS default' make in GRUB
[07:44] <xerosis_> or rather, should
[07:49] <manchicken> Sweet.  I think I just made a deb.
[07:55] <manchicken> Okay, so ktexteditor-emacsextensions kinda sucks.
[07:55] <manchicken> But I still learned how to package a bit.  That's nice.
[07:58] <DaSkreech> mhb: helped?
[07:58] <mhb> DaSkreech: partially
[07:59] <mhb> DaSkreech: advice given, but I'm not sure if it will work
[07:59] <mhb> xerosis_: it should make the last booted entry the default one
[07:59] <mhb> xerosis_: for the next boto
[07:59] <xerosis_> mhb: i mean, what is the actual grub code/command
[08:03] <mhb> xerosis_: not sure now, check the docs :o)
[08:06] <xerosis_> ah, found it
[08:06] <mhb> DaSkreech: it helped, thank god :o)
[08:06] <DaSkreech> mhb: heehee Don't forget a thank you
[08:07] <mhb> DaSkreech: too late :o)
[08:07] <mhb> DaSkreech: but thanks for the hint
[08:10] <mhb> DaSkreech: well, it's just a big "powermanager" tray icon :o)
[08:10] <mhb> DaSkreech: I have to check if it works properly
[08:10] <ryanakca> hmm... is there supposed to be IPv6 support in the live CD?
[08:10] <DaSkreech> Well then I look forward to seeing your laptop die
[08:29] <ryanakca> Riddell: woah... can the resolution go any lower? It booted fine, IPv6 works, sound works, UXterm and Xterm are in the menu, both look the same, but I think I saw a bug report about  that. OpenOffice Drawing should probably be moved to either Office or Graphics. I suppose $HOME/Examples/ , was removed due to space issues?
[08:32] <ryanakca> Riddell: installer works here (I only tested up to step 5). All apps seem to startup to, looks good :)
[08:32] <DaSkreech> Wasn't that just a link to a usr folder ?
[08:32] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: yep
[08:32] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: brb, rebooting
[08:48] <ryanakca> back
[08:58] <toma> ola
[08:58] <ryanakca> hey toma :)
[08:58] <toma> I'm behind a breezy system right now. how can i get to something more recent?
[09:02] <nixternal> jjesse: yes it is for sale, I will take 3 million though of course :)
[09:12] <nixternal> we have 3 million cicadas
[09:20] <mhb> nixternal: are you gutsing right now? :o)
[09:45] <DaSkreech> mhb: Any good so far?
[09:47] <mhb> DaSkreech: what exactly? Gutsy?
[09:47] <mhb> DaSkreech: Gutsy's great
[09:47] <DaSkreech> mhb: Plasmoid
[09:47] <DaSkreech> Mez's gutsy kernel is segfaulting :) Still needs some guts :)
[09:49] <mhb> DaSkreech: it doesn't seem to reload well
[09:51] <xerosis_> gah, i'm getting "skipping" music playback, where should i start looking for problems?
[09:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: great, thanks
[09:52] <nixternal> I just learned something...or was just made aware of. KDE was about before Gnome. I thought it was vice-versa
[10:00] <xerosis_> nixternal: gnome came about because of the QT licencing
[10:03] <Riddell> nixternal: KDE is the original and best
[10:09] <ScottK> xerosis_: In other words, the sole reason for Gnome's existence is gone, but yet it sticks around ...
[10:09] <mhb> DaSkreech: the KDE4 console is fun
[10:10] <Riddell> ScottK: :)
[10:10] <Riddell> ScottK: mostly I have people justify its existance now as being more friendly to proprietry software developers.  which is ironic given it started because kde was to an extent proprietry
[10:10] <mhb> DaSkreech: whenever there's a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit" (on irssi), it thinks it's an email address and offers me to send an email
[10:10] <ScottK> Heh.
[10:11] <mhb> DaSkreech: (when I hover over the address)
[10:11] <Riddell> it's also a load of nonsense since far more proprietry apps are made with qt than gtk
[10:12] <mhb> having a business which wants to create proprietary software but refuses to pay anything for the libraries is a bit contradictive
[10:13] <mhb> they go for it because it's cheaper, I know :o)
[10:14] <ScottK> is/if
[10:17] <mhb> installing packages could be like putting files in a trash can
[10:18] <nixternal> Riddell: now I know it is the original, I always knew it was the best :)
[10:18] <xerosis_> mhb: like mac os? ;)
[10:19] <mhb> xerosis_: yeah :o)
[10:19] <mhb> xerosis_: ubuntu is the new mac os... (just take a look at the Gutsy compiz-fusion desktop switching)
[10:38] <jussi01> Hello everyone. It was suggested in -motu that maybe someone here may be able to help me with this build problem. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27665/ if someone has a minute, would you mind taking a look?
[10:41] <Riddell> jussi01: is it a qt 4 app?
[10:42] <jussi01> Riddell: I am not certain, however if i use qt3 it gives me many more errors
[10:43] <Riddell> probably a good idea to find out which first :)
[10:43] <jussi01> Riddell: with qt3 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27654/
[10:44] <jussi01> Riddell: the website just says trolltechs qt. WHat is the correct way to find out exactly what it needs?
[10:45] <Riddell> jussi01: sources available somewhere for me?
[10:46] <jussi01> Riddell: http://qjoypad.sourceforge.net/#download
[10:49] <Riddell> jussi01: compiles for me with qt 3
[10:49] <_Sime_> Riddell: quick Q. What are the check-in hours for the euro hostel?
[10:50] <Riddell> jussi01: i think you're just missing libtext, which is in libxtst-dev
[10:50] <Riddell> _Sime_: I'm assuming it's 24 hours
[10:50] <jussi01> Riddell: which build deps would I then need? Im sorry for the "basic" question...
[10:50] <Riddell> jussi01: libqt3-dev libxtst-dev
[10:50] <jussi01> Riddell: :) thanks
[10:51] <Riddell> actually libqt3-mt-dev
[10:51] <_Sime_> Riddell: ok, thanks. I should be in the neighbourhood around  9-10 in the evening. In time for the slosh-fest at the Campus bar.
[10:52] <Riddell> _Sime_: confirmed it, open 24 hours, from 15:00 on the day
[10:53] <_Sime_> Riddell: how does that work?? open 24 hours, just not in a row?
[10:54] <Riddell> _Sime_: as in you can check in from 15:00 on the day of arrival
[10:54] <Riddell> before that someone else might still be in the room
[10:54] <Riddell> and that could get embarracing
[10:54] <_Sime_> ok, I've gotcha.
[10:57] <jussi01> Riddell: Im sorry to keep bothering you, but may I ask for a little more help? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27666/
[10:59] <Riddell> jussi01: line 49 is running "make install" but nothing has run "make"
[10:59] <Riddell> jussi01: also "make install" doesn't seem to be respecting DESTDIR=, so you may need to just cp the files manually in debian/rules rather than use make install
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm connected from home ! hehe :)
[11:00] <Tonio_> let's go with the network-mnager and the kdepim work
[11:00] <jussi01> Riddell: CDBS is knocking me around. maybe i should go back to debhelper...
[11:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: holy guacamole.  how long did that take?
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: 2 month :/
[11:01] <Riddell> jussi01: I'd certainly recommend debhelper to a beginner (if nothing else it lets you understand what cdbs is doing but hiding away)
[11:02] <jussi01> Riddell: yes, :) Although Im _trying_ to understand cdbs, having used debhelper several times now.
[11:36] <Tonio_> someone there ?
[11:36] <Tonio_> is it me or is kaffeine broken in gutsy ?
[11:36] <Riddell> works here
[11:55] <manchicken> Adept is by far one of the hardest programs to debug.
[11:56] <manchicken> I have to run kdevelop as root in order to get its debugger to work.
[11:56] <mhb> manchicken: adept is (by far) the weakest link of Kubuntu, so ya better get debugging! :o)
[11:56] <manchicken> And forget debugging in gdb directly.  Qt stuff is very tricky there.
[11:57] <manchicken> mhb: No, I think kpilot is the weakest link.
[11:58] <Arby> manchicken: anything I can do on the triage front to streamline the damage a bit?
[11:59] <manchicken> I've figure out what the problem is, it's just getting it to work now :)
[12:00] <Arby> fair enough
[12:00] <manchicken> Every time I make a change that I think will fix it I have to recompile restart kdevelop as root, run the debugger, try to figure out what went wrong this time, etc.  It's just tedious.
[12:00] <Arby> I keep chipping away at that list but some of it's just beyond me
[12:01] <manchicken> It takes a lot of swimming in code to figure out adept.
[12:01] <manchicken> And I still don't know much of it at the lower level.
[12:01] <manchicken> The only things I ever really work on are UI code.
[12:01] <manchicken> I haven't touched any of the apt or dpkg interfaces.
[12:01] <Arby> well, I'll keep trying to weed out the junk for you:)
[12:03] <Arby> manchicken: while you're here, are tracebacks like bug 108286 any use or should they be closed unless the debug symbols can be provided?
[12:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108286 in adept "Adept crash after updating" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108286
[12:03] <Arby> I can't help thinking that there are quite a few reports like that which just seem useless
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: when is the freeze supposed to end ?
[12:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: this afternoon
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just fixed the kaffeine crash
[12:04] <Riddell> should be long since over
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho great let's upload then
[12:04] <Riddell> kaffeine has a crash?
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[12:04] <Arby> I'm trying to get my head around how to interperet those so I can triage them better.
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you try to configure xine within kaffeine, sxegfault here, just repackaged removing the problematic patch, works
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a problem do to the mess I've done by uploading the bad package version 2 weeks ago, hobbsee fixed, but the fix is only partial
[12:06] <Riddell> settings->xine parameters works for me
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think it is a combinason of issues, with the xv part, the ati driver and so on
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that I just reinstalled the current version, still fails, even on clean profile....
[12:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have been able to reproduce the problem on several machines....
[12:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you don't mind, I'll upload, as it fixes the problem I have seen and shouldn't break your configuration :)
[12:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't mind at all
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, are there any emergencies ? my tomorrow's plan is to repackage the all kdepim, packaging is bad, and misses a lot of features
[12:09] <manchicken> Arby: Let me see what they've got in that one.
[12:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you do the kdm language stuff we talked about?
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes it is
[12:10] <Tonio_> +done
[12:10] <Arby> manchicken: well that was just an example but there are few of that type
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can confirm it works for me
[12:10] <Arby> manchicken: lots of missing debugging symbols and the kernel_vsyscall
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: was done with kubuntu-default-settings (1:7.10-5)
[12:11] <Tonio_> 2 weeks ago
[12:11] <Riddell> oh, cool
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: hobbsee has most of the kde modules in bzr now under the kubuntu-members team
[12:12] <manchicken> Arby: See if you can replicate that issue using the info that Dima put up.
[12:12] <Riddell> you should try and commit to that
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: seen that, I'll push my packages there too
[12:12] <manchicken> Arby: If you cannot then that bug report gives us nothing usable.
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I haven't been on the channel a lot due to connections problem, but I've done the stuff, you know :)
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: if my tomorrow's plan succeed, we'll be the first linux distro released with a syncml compatible mail client out of the box :)
[12:13] <Arby> manchicken: OK, if I do reproduce it, what package provides debugging symbols for adept.
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I discovered kdepim now supports opensync, but the debian package still ignores this and only builds the old and crappy multisync part.... I'll try to change this
[12:14] <manchicken> I think we have a -dbg package for everything.  Riddell, Tonio_, is that correct?
[12:14] <Tonio_> manchicken: hey :)
[12:14] <manchicken> Tonio_: Wuddup homie?
[12:14] <Tonio_> manchicken: will do your katapult thing tomorrow
[12:14] <manchicken> Tonio_: Cool.
[12:14] <Tonio_> manchicken: yep I'm at home with an internet connection
[12:15] <manchicken> I thought about setting up my own repo, but then I remembered that I don't know how to package.
[12:15] <Tonio_> manchicken: and therefore not obliged to watch one of those stupid tv show :)
[12:15] <manchicken> Tonio_: Nice.
[12:15] <xerosis_> Arby: there are instructions for installing the -dbg packages on the wiki
[12:15] <Tonio_> manchicken: learn !
[12:15] <manchicken> I think "America's Next Top Model" is on tonight.  What a great night for going out and drinking.
[12:16] <Tonio_> manchicken: seriously, talking about coding, we need help on the kdesudo part, we just miss one functionality to be implemented to get is to replace kdesu perfectly....
[12:16] <manchicken> Tonio_: Do packages have -dbg analogs in the repositories?