[00:03] <tds> rfm: do you see the same behaviour testing with eg iperf in both directions?
[00:06] <rfm> tds, haven't tried iperf, naver used it.  Rebooting everything right now, will report when I've had a chance to try
[00:36] <rfm> tds, after reboot http/scp ipv6 speeds are better (but still about half IPv4.)   iperf is, strangely, asymmetric.  one direction full speed, other direction half speed.
[01:24] <tds> rfm: hmm, what do your routing tables look like on either side?
[01:24] <tds> (or traceroutes between these boxes)
[01:24] <tds> might be that one direction is hairpinning through a router?
[01:45] <rfm> tds, here are the route tables and traceroute: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9DGbXVQg4n/
[01:46] <tds> rfm: why does arda have the same prefix on two interfaces?
[01:49] <rfm> tds, arda dies gave two interfaces on the same net (I do this because of a virtualbox bridging network quirk, two uids can't bridge to same adapter)
[01:49] <sarnold> my technicolor c2100-t router/wifi thingy was assigning both my wired and wireless nics the same IP address for a while; I didn't check ip r output, but I bet it would have given very similar results. turning off reservations in the modem interface did the trick
[01:50] <OerHeks> sarnold +1 .. they 'grey' area
[01:50] <rfm> tds, s/dies give/does have/
[01:51] <tds> rfm: hmm, does arda have two v6 addresses as well then?
[01:51] <sarnold> OerHeks: the hilarious thing is that I'd wondered what the heck had caused that for MONTHS; when I was trying to troubleshoot the world's most frustrating Sonos problems I stumbled on that bit of advice in the sonos support documentation
[01:51] <sarnold> OerHeks: turning off reservations made that stupid thing on my laptop go away and my sonos system got *significantly* more friendly to use :)
[01:51] <tds> might explain the asymmetric behaviour if it's making connections from one address and receiving them on another
[01:51] <sarnold> (I'd never noticed with 'simple' sonos setup but after adding the subwoofer, all hell broke loose)
[01:53] <rfm> tds, yes, separate ipv6 addresses on the two interfaces https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6pPmDrtt5M/
[01:53] <tds> rfm: hmm, what's the output of `ip -6 route get 2600:1700:dc40:2830:347b:b11e:7a2d:df13`?
[01:58] <rfm> tds, did on both systems just for drill: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wp2P68Gsxm/
[01:59] <tds> rfm: ah, so your traceroute test went to eno1, but arda is using the source address on enp8s2 for connections originating there
[02:00] <tds> i'd be tempted to drop the addresses on one of the interfaces and see if that sorts it out
[02:03]  * rfm is reading "man ip-address"
[02:08] <tds> rfm: easy option for v6 is to set the autoconf sysctl for the interface to 0
[02:08] <tds> then it'll stop getting an automagic slaac address
[02:18] <rfm> tds, indeed taking the slaac address off enp8s2  made the asymmetry go away.  I don't understand why, does the stack have to forward the packet to the other interface when it comes in on the "wrong" one?
[02:21] <rfm> tds, I probably don't need to autoconf the address on enp8s2 in order to bridge to it, I'll verify that later.  Thanks.
[02:23] <tds> rfm: you don't need an address for just bridging, you can happily set the disable_ipv6 sysctl to 1 on that interface to drop the link local and all. you'll get asymmetry as you're relying on two different mechanisms to pick addresses, ie whatever resolved that .local name (probably mdns), and linux source address selection, but the machine will
[02:23] <tds> always pick a single route out (unless you do a complicated config) - so if you talk to the "non-primary" ip, you'll get ingress on one interface, egress on another
[02:27] <rfm> tds, yes I had set mDNS to advertise only the address on enp0, because that's what I wanted the other systems to use...
[02:28] <tds> aha, so that controls the ingress route ok
[02:28] <tds> but since you've picked up an on-link route for the /64 via RAs, you'll still send traffic back out the other interface
[02:32] <rfm> tds, so I will disable v6 on that interface and run for a while to see if the massive slowdowns (one tenth speed, not just half) I was seeing will come back (they seemed to reset when I rebooted everything.)  Thanks again.
[02:36] <xiaxiaoyu> Hello
[03:17] <k_sze> Has anybody figured out how to use the Japanese ibus-mozc input method? I can't figure it out for the life of me.
[03:21] <OerHeks> k_sze, for 18.04? https://moritzmolch.com/2404
[03:21] <OerHeks> it should work for xorg, not wayland..
[03:23] <k_sze> $XDG_SESSION_TYPE is x11 for me.
[03:23] <k_sze> that's xorg, right?
[03:23] <OerHeks> jups
[03:24] <OerHeks> the first 'remind me later' is essential, that saves a lot of updating
[03:25] <k_sze> I see.
[03:27] <k_sze> Thanks.
[03:28] <k_sze> Hmm, is there a keyboard shortcut to switch among the mozc modes? i.e. direct input <-> hiragana <-> katagana, etc.
[03:32] <k_sze> What's that "Muhenkan" key in the MS-IME keymap??
[03:33] <FaTaL_G> I got a question people here may have found a way to deal with... or maybe not. It's an ongoing battle, I am running my router for home on Ubuntu and loving it. I created a bind9 set of zones for known undesirable domains in order to help mitigate ads, popups etc. (Basically doing /dev/null redirect vs. pixelserv). Now streaming services are pushing ads and doing request/get checks to authorize
[03:33] <FaTaL_G> content to play. Forcing us to accept the very ads and popups we are trying to avoid. Mind you, WE PAY for the TV, so they are already getting their money. .... any ideas/sites/links?
[03:43] <sharpie> FaTaL_G, check pihole
[03:44] <sharpie> its a dns based project, if the adds are coming from the service directly, not much can be done aside from using ublock, ect, but will/can block adds from 3rd party
[03:47] <sharpie> i use it via VPS for mobile, with wireguard, but you can definatly set it up for your home network at the router level
[03:51] <sharpie> currently blocking 41% of internet garbage across my devices/network
[03:54] <FaTaL_G> sharpie, not sure if you are paid tv subscriber to services like spectrum, verizon etc, but when you try to watch something on demand, and it (the cable service) directs you to CBS.com for example, you are ALLOWED to watch the content, but if the ads are blocked, the stream will not start
[03:56] <FaTaL_G> which is somewhat silly, because they got their money from me, I DVR most everything, but if something got missed, we still paid for the content, and DVR we can commerical skip, but ondemand we cant, and worse, we cant even watch the content because they deny access unless we "access the ads
[03:56] <sharpie> FaTaL_G, I am not in that position. I consume all my content via wireless.
[03:56] <OerHeks> seems like you blocked too much .. and not really an UBuntu issue
[03:57] <FaTaL_G> so I think I have to actually serve the ads, and direct them to the ether. I think pihole does that but I recall it had issues. I will ahve to see if things changed
[03:57] <sharpie> it seems the adds are "baked in"
[03:57] <FaTaL_G> OerHeks indeed not an Ubuntu issue. Just asking here if anyone had an idea :)
[03:57] <FaTaL_G> my ubuntu router is totally rocking it
[03:58] <sharpie> at least by setting up pihole, or your current config, you can tail the logs and see whats going down
[03:58] <sarnold> another oiption is ditching it and getting addicted to media that treats you better :)
[03:59] <FaTaL_G> I've received some awesome help here and loving it.
[04:00] <FaTaL_G> sarnold, I've always seen the cord cutting road paving way to this. It's going to become Judge Dredd society someday hahaha. Thank you both
[04:01] <sharpie> maybe (and I cant be sure on this one) reverse proxy? I never looked into it , but saw it mentioned in passing regarding services
[04:01] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: trouble is, everyone wants in on that netflix cash and I don't think they realize users don't want to subscribe to seven services..
[04:02] <sarnold> when netflix had everything it was easy.. add hulu? sure not that much more.. but six more? nah no one wants new accounts any more
[04:03] <sharpie> sarnold, its coming full circle.,... i dont want to pay 85 per month... just 7... just 7 more... just 7 more.. until its 85 per month with all the services..lol
[04:03] <sarnold> sharpie: exactly that, hehe
[04:04] <FaTaL_G> I had so many discussions with trolls or cord cutter trolls on forums because I have a cable card and insist on staying on Windows 8.1. Not going to 10. I'll stick with Linux when Cable Cards-Windows 8 is no longer supported with current hardware. I prefer linux hands down
[04:07] <FaTaL_G> and yes sharpie, a squid might do the trick, but I suspect its only a matter of time considering how cookies are everywhere.
[04:11] <sharpie> FaTaL_G, not only cookies, but DNS, there are a couple options regarding encryption, but so far, unless I am wrong (total possibility) the reDNS request will be encrypted, yet the response wont be, so not really gaining security
[04:11] <sharpie> Im still working on this stuff as time allows
[04:29] <FaTaL_G> urgh, we have FIOS, FIOS TV Ultimate, Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, Prime, CBS, Disney, Dont have HBO-Go. I work fulltime, ball and chain gets to veg lol.
[05:22] <Thr0r> Hello! I am looking for a good alternative to the wordprocessor standard with Ubuntu - LibreOffice.. Is there any good alternatives? Callibre Suite does not work well I think... Suggestions?
[05:30] <Thr0r> If there is an administrator in this Channel - the web page to Lubuntu is down now...  ubuntu.com/download/flavours - click Lubuntu page is not working... I was going to download Lubuntu now..
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> Thr0r: join #ubuntu-mirrors please to notify that
[05:38] <OerHeks> https://lubuntu.me/ is down, so the page is correct
[05:38] <dax> i think that's more #lubuntu-devel than #ubuntu-mirrors
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> oh ok dax
[05:42] <Thr0r> ..all these channels..
[05:48] <Thr0r> I know that the moderator here does not like repeating Q's but there was not at single reply to my Q about an alternative to LibreOffice here? ..anyone?
[05:48] <OerHeks> go wild, and say Hi! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[05:49] <dax> i haven't seen any good alternatives to LibreOffice
[05:49] <dax> Calligra is the closest I've seen, and you don't like that one, so...
[05:50] <Thr0r> OerHeks: Wow..
[05:51] <OerHeks> some swear by sublimne text ( prop stuff ) https://snapcraft.io/search?q=office
[05:52] <stevwill-> sup
[05:52] <Thr0r> dax: no - and it's especially the Table stuff I don't like with LibreOffice.. but I'm sure OerHeks has a channel for that too :) That list was HUGE! Narrow it down..
[05:53] <Stevwills> ahh ubuntu
[05:59] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello. I need to secure erase some of my external hard drives. They were on ext4. Not sure which is the most effective secure erase? dban ... or shred ... or dd ..... please advise, thanks
[06:01] <catjbill> badblocks is another good tool for that
[06:02] <OerHeks> shred or dd, example shred with one pass >> shred --verbose --random-source=/dev/urandom -n1 /dev/sdX
[06:02] <OerHeks> government specs say at least 7 passes .. have fun!
[06:03] <catjbill> badblocks -b 4096 -wsv -t random -p 3 /dev/sdX <- something like that does 3 passes of random patterns
[06:08] <Mr_Cyclops> OerHeks, catjbill thank you
[07:01] <vlt> Mr_Cyclops: shred
[07:47] <mexen> Hey y'all
[07:47] <mexen> quick question
[07:47] <mexen> is there is a repo for az cli (msft azure)?
[07:50] <OerHeks> mexen,  not that i know of, just github https://github.com/Azure/azure-cli or snap https://snapcraft.io/azure-cli
[07:50] <mexen> All right, thanks.
[07:51] <Ruler-> I any logs made before the drive is unencrypted when one uses "full drive encryption"? I wouldn't make any sense but I'm just encountering a bug in that unlock screen often
[07:51] <mexen> Got the snap
[07:51] <Ruler-> *it wouldn't
[07:52] <Ruler-> *is any
[07:54] <Ruler-> I don't even know the program that handles the unencryption at start
[07:54] <Forza> Hello.
[07:54] <Forza> I have a problem with netplan on my ubuntu 19.10.
[07:55] <Forza> Two interfaces. eth0 with dhcp and Internet access and then eth1 internal fixed ip.
[07:55] <OerHeks> Ruler-, on what ubuntu version
[07:55] <Ruler-> OerHeks, 19.10
[07:56] <OerHeks> there is a log; journalctl -b -0 shows messages from the current boot, journalctl -b -1 from the previous boot
[07:56] <Forza> Netplan adds a default route to both interfaces which is if course wrong. Only the dhcp one should have it. What can I do to prevent default route added on the eth1 with static ip?
[07:57] <callipygous> 😨
[07:58] <Ruler-> OerHeks, the bug prevents me from unencrypting the drive so how can it write a log? I need to restart the computer to be able to unlock the drive
[07:59] <OerHeks> Ruler-, how do you tell it is a bug? maybe the filesystem is damaged.. or worse: hdd sector failure?
[08:00] <Ruler-> It happens only when I boot up and power on additional displays when it asks to unencrypt the drive. After that I cannot enter anything to the password screen. Computer and keyboard works otherwise
[08:01] <Ruler-> So the display addition is not handled correctly if they're powered on during that
[08:01] <OerHeks> oke, never been in that situation, sounds like a bug to me too
[08:02] <OerHeks> boot with just 1 display, and run ubuntu-bug in terminal to file a bugreport
[08:02] <OerHeks> !bug
[08:02] <Ruler-> What's the package that handles the screen?
[08:02] <OerHeks> inlog/gdm3 ?
[08:03] <Ruler-> Thanks OerHeks, I'll try :)
[08:30] <Stevwills> is there still a bug in disks with ubuntu where it messes up partitioning???
[08:30] <Stevwills> i believe it was in 18.04
[08:31] <OerHeks> steven, never heard of that.
[08:31] <steven> thats so weird.
[08:32] <steven> you should definiltey read/watch/listen to it
[08:32] <OerHeks> such serious bug in a LTS version, i doubt that
[08:44] <jeev> is trusty not capable of using tls 1.2? i'm trying to run apt-get on a digicert certificate to update zimbra and it keeps failing
[08:45] <jeev> what's weird is, it works but fails with apt-get update
[08:48] <OerHeks> maybe trusty 14.04 never will .. it is dead, EOL
[08:49] <OerHeks> there is ESM, but that is paid support, so upgrade please
[08:49] <OerHeks> !esm
[08:49] <Thr0r> I have a IBM monitor 9419-HB7 - it's said that it's max is 1280*1024. I am using 1400*1050 now but the image is not perfect.. Using xrandr to set it. Does anyone have a suggestion to what would be a perfect res. above 1280*1024? it's capable of 1600*1200 but then - "Out of signal" shows on the monitor?
[08:50] <k_sze> Does anybody know how to many GNOME Terminal send real numeric keypad keycodes to the application (e.g. to vim)? By default, the number keypad digits just get translated as the row of digits above the letter keys.
[08:50] <k_sze> s/many/make/
[08:50] <jeev> ok, i guess i can work on upgrading it
[08:51] <OerHeks> Thr0r, specs online says max resolution is 1280 x 1024
[08:51] <OerHeks> setting higher is of no use
[08:51] <alycidyne> Hello, I was following the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel, but `fakeroot debian/rules editconfigs` fails, and the .tar.xz file seems awfully light. What could I have missed?
[08:54] <Thr0r> OerHeks - I know the online specs. but was hoping for a res. combination that might work abobe 1280*1024.. since 1600-1200 "kind-of" works..?
[08:56] <OerHeks> "but then - "Out of signal" shows on the monitor?" ...
[08:56] <OerHeks> really, why do you ask ?
[09:01] <Thr0r> OerHeks: "really, why do you ask ?"- Because there is a display that is perfect but does not fill the whole screen - and please don't  mock me - I was thinking this was a serious support channel?
[09:02] <OerHeks> so, the problem is that 1280 x 1024  does not fill the whole screen?
[09:02] <OerHeks> reset the monitor with its own menu keys, back to factory standard, often fixes that
[09:05] <Thr0r> OerHeks: "so, the problem is that 1280 x 1024  does not fill the whole screen?" ..wonder how you draw that conclusion?? And No - reset does not fix it. So If you look at all the possible VGA resolution numbers - it's alot - I have not tried all - just asked if maybe someone had a suggestion..
[09:06] <OerHeks> good luck!
[09:08] <alycidyne> Is there a simpler to way to do a kernel configuration change?
[09:09] <Thr0r> OerHeks: Well - now all of this chat suddenly was wiped out here - did you do that?
[09:13] <repete-og> Hi all
[09:13] <repete-og> Anyone here know much about Xorg? Looking to troubleshoot a couple of issues.
[09:15] <flog> Just ask what the issue is and if anyone knows they'll answer eventually.
[09:19] <repete-og> Thanks flog
[09:19] <flog> s/ask/explain
[09:20] <repete-og> 1) I have a high-resolution screen, so I change the screen resolution settings to scale to 200%. I would rather use a value between 100% and 200% (say 150%),  so I'm wondering if that can be done elsewhere.
[09:21] <repete-og> 2) I'm trying to troubleshoot getting gestures working with my trackpad, and noticed that the log files for Xorg are not in /var/log/. So where does Xorg log to?
[09:23] <flog> xllLllsssk
[09:23] <flog> oops
[09:26] <flog> repete-og: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/06/enable-fractional-scaling-ubuntu-19-04 is this what you want to do?
[09:29] <repete-og> flog, I believe so. :-) Thanks.
[09:30] <Thr0r> OerHeks: Sometimes it happens that SW supersedes HW - I have seen it before, that is why I ask this - for YOU - silly question..
[09:31] <repete-og> flog, works like a charm. Thanks!
[09:51] <flog> repete-og: second hit on google....
[11:38] <snowm0n> Hi all anyone familiar with how you can install chrome per user and not per device?
[11:45] <groks> snowm0n, https://askubuntu.com/questions/339/how-can-i-install-a-package-without-root-access
[11:46] <groks> you can use that method to install the chrome deb to the user home dir, might be a pain
[11:46] <groks> never tried it with chrome but only small trivial packages with little to no deps
[11:50] <snowm0n> @groks thank you i will look into it
[11:51] <isomari> greetings, is there a repo for enlightenment e23?
[11:51] <isomari> for cosmic and eoan?
[12:03] <LuckyMan> what's the status on the skype snap? does it work ok?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:25] <OerHeks> LuckyMan, it should work.
[13:14] <ELFrederich> With RPM based package managers I can do proper source level modifications.  Is this possible on Ubuntu?  By proper I mean there is a process and set of tools which gets the sources, applies the patches, and builds new .rpm files.
[13:20] <pragmaticenigma> ELFrederich: I know that the package management in Ubuntu allows you to retrieve source files with the packages you install. I'm not certain, but would believe, that you can modify those and be able to re-package them. You may have better luck with your question in #ubuntu-app-devel or possibly #ubuntu-devel
[13:22] <OerHeks> ELFrederich,  there is alien, but no guarantee it is proper. just usefull to unpack
[13:22] <OerHeks> !info alien
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> Good catch OerHeks ... I missed that last part, thought they were looking to build .deb
[13:29] <geirha> I also interpreted it as a "can dpkg do this too?" question, and the answer to that would be yes
[13:36] <MrCrackPot> With this stack overflow answer https://askubuntu.com/a/1041742 section 3 im a little lost where to add the configuration
[13:37] <MrCrackPot> should i place a file in /etc/NetworkManager/con.d/user_dnsmasq_config.conf.d
[13:37] <MrCrackPot> or use /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf.d
[13:39] <ioria> ELFrederich, yeah, it's not clear what you want; do you want to build rpm pkgs on ubuntu ?
[13:48] <ELFrederich> ioria: we have an internal patch we'd like to apply to our systems.  We have RHEL and Ubuntu based systems.  We created a pipeline which generates .rpm files with our patch applied.  We'd like to do the same for .deb files
[13:50] <ioria> ELFrederich,  so you want to build a .deb pkg  ok; you can check this https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial and the  dpkg-buildpackage  command
[13:54] <pragmaticenigma> MrCrackPot: As the SO article mentions, systemd-resolved already does caching. Is there a particular use case why you wish to add in dnsmasq?
[14:00] <MrCrackPot> pragmaticenigma, im trying to use prax.cr https://github.com/ysbaddaden/prax.cr but im finding it difficult to get it up and running. I know .dev no longer works because of google but .test should be fine
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> MrCrackPot: If you are looking for safe TLDs... Use .home or .local ... ICANN has those reserved. As far as dnsmasq, is there any reason you cannot add the entries to /etc/hosts instead?
[14:48] <MrCrackPot> yer apparently the dev says that it should work without dnsmasq but hasnt updated the wiki
[14:48] <MrCrackPot> so now i need to undo all the changes i made and then try again with a clean install
[14:49] <pragmaticenigma> MrCrackPot: Sounds like in the end it will be better with less to maintain :-)
[14:50] <MrCrackPot> yer im thinking to just go back to localhost:3000 and use puma for ssl instead of prax its a lot less work
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> MrCrackPot: looking at the project page, the mention: If your distribution uses systemd-resolved, just use the .localhost TLD instead of .test —be prepared to fight against systemd if you want to use another TLD, or consider switching to a systemd free Linux.
[15:07] <jazzpi> my `journalctl -xe` contains multiple instances of "kernel: PKCS#7 signature not signed with a trusted key". i believe these occur when the virtualbox and nvidia modules are loaded (not sure about vboxdrv, because it appears in lsmod). the nvidia module then fails to load and my screens are not recognized properly (one only has a 1024x768 mode, the other doesn't show up at all). secure boot is disabled. any
[15:07] <jazzpi> ideas what could cause this?
[15:10] <jazzpi> ubuntu version is 16.04, i've tried with kernel 4.15.0-70 and 4.15.0-69, and i've purged the old nvidia drivers and installed nvidia-430. also, when i start nvidia-settings, the signature message appears multiple times, each followed by "kernel: module: x86/modules: Skipping invalid relocation target, existing value is nonzero for type 1, loc 00000000XXXXXXXX, val ffffffffYYYYYYYY with varying addresses
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> jazzpi: where are you pulling your nvidia drivers from?
[15:20] <jazzpi> pragmaticenigma: not entirely sure how to check, but `apt-cache showpkg nvidia-430` shows `/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_graphics-drivers_ppa_ubuntu_dists_xenial_main_binary-amd64_Packages`, so i'm guessing from here: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> jazzpi: what graphics card/chipset are you using?
[15:25] <jazzpi> GTX 750 Ti (GM107), which is a maxwell card
[15:30] <jazzpi> alright, i ran `apt purge nvidia*`, now it's using nouveau and recognizes my screen again, that will have to do for the moment. thanks anyways :)
[15:37] <skr> jazzpi, disable secure boot in bios. then try again nvidia driver
[15:38] <jazzpi> skr: secure boot is already disabled
[15:39] <skr> perhaps you are using a signed kernel, try installing a unsigned one
[16:14] <g3poandlsl> I have successfully joined a Ubuntu 18.04 server to an active directory domain with realmd and sssd following this guide: https://www.smbadmin.com/2018/06/connecting-ubuntu-server-1804-to-active.html
[16:14] <g3poandlsl> I can get tickets with kinit just fine, and id (username) returns UID and GIDs from LDAP as expected.  However, when I try to log in with an active directory user account, the login fails.
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> g3poandlsl: there is also #ubuntu-server if you like
[16:17] <g3poandlsl> Logs show pam_unix(login:auth) authentication failure, followed by pam_sss(login:auth) authentication success
[16:17] <g3poandlsl> lotuspsychje, thank you, I will try there
[16:17] <jazzpi> skr: thanks, i'll try that when i have the time
[16:51] <octav1a> I have an annoying situation. I need to install ubuntu to another computer and the only USB I have (32gb sandisk) seems to get corruption reading squashFS when trying to read. Is there any way to disable the first, idk, 8GB space in the USB disk and try to write the live USB again?
[16:52] <tomreyn> squashfs corruption is often a result of a broken iso download (or impropoer write to the installer storage - something you can verify after writing)
[16:53] <tomreyn> another possible reason is lack of ram
[16:55] <tomreyn> to test the flash storage for fake size, you can use f3 (packaged in ubuntu, website is http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/ )
[16:56] <octav1a> I tried a persistance USB install first, and when installing some packages on it, the write problems started. Then I tried formatting the USB and writing a non-persistant version just to install.
[16:56] <octav1a> so I think its safe to assume that there are some blocks failing on it
[16:56] <leftyfb> octav1a: you should watch dmesg while writing a new (freshly downloaded) ISO.
[16:57] <leftyfb> If you don't see errors, then the drive more than likely doesn't have any hardware defects
[16:57] <tomreyn> also, did you verify the iso checksum?
[16:57] <tomreyn> how much ram does this system have installed?
[16:58] <tomreyn> !checksum
[16:58] <octav1a> The one I am making the USB: 32GB, the one I am trying to install to 16GB. When in the persistant boot I saw many "input/output" errors when trying to apt upgrade
[17:01] <tomreyn> this can still be a result of an initially incoherent overlay file system, doesn't need to indicate physical storage issues.
[17:15] <Randolf> One of my desktop applications won't start in Ubuntu Linux 18.04 LTS.  When I try to start it from the command line, I see messages about "snap" that I don't understand.  How can I find out what's not working, and get it working?  Thanks.
[17:18] <ioria> Randolf, what application ? and what 's the error exactly ?
[17:23] <Randolf> I'm using Opera, which was installed from the GUI.  It's been working fine for the many months I've been using Linux, and just this morning it won't start -- no error, it just never starts when I click on the icon.
[17:23] <Randolf> At the shell when I type "opera" I get this:  You need to connect this snap to the gnome platform snap.
[17:24] <Randolf> It then goes on to tell me to use this command:  snap install gnome-3-28-1804
[17:24] <Randolf> I'm already using Gnome though, and I don't want to mess that up.
[17:24] <ioria> Randolf, can you paste 'snap list' ?
[17:25] <Randolf> Okay.
[17:27] <Randolf> ioria: https://www.paste.org/flat/101331
[17:28] <MrCrackPotBob> with systemd-resolve where do i add an entry to resolve .test domain to localhost
[17:28] <MrCrackPotBob> i tried with /etc/resolv.conf but didnt work same with $ systemd-resolve DOMAIN=~.test
[17:33] <crond> lol what, a TOS for an IRC channel?
[17:34] <crond> you guys are aware that a 'you have accepted this TOS even if you didn't read it' EULA isn't legally enforcable most places, right?
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> can we help you crond ?
[17:34] <crond> --> [Notice] -ChanServ- [#ubuntu] Welcome to #ubuntu! Please read the channel topic. This channel is logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com. Use of this channel implies acceptance of terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
[17:35] <crond> That's just silly.  Saying that if one uses the channel they automagically accept your TOS is ludicrious.
[17:35] <MrCrackPotBob> really thats how facebook google etc etc etc all work
[17:35] <MrCrackPotBob> lol
[17:35] <OerHeks> Randolf,  how odd, opera on snapcraft gives 64.0.3417.92 https://snapcraft.io/opera .. and you opera-beta
[17:36] <crond> and it's not enforcable in the EU, MrCrackPotBob
[17:36] <DJones> crond: Do you have a point?
[17:36] <MrCrackPotBob> erm yes it is
[17:36] <ioria> Randolf, stable is 64.0.3417.92 ; you have 65.0.3467.38; and beta version is 65.0.3467.32
[17:36] <crond> MrCrackPotBob: No, it's not.
[17:36] <MrCrackPotBob> erm yes it is as there is no PPI here
[17:37] <ioria> Randolf, sy, but i don't get where you pulled that snap from
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> there are 3 snap opera's
[17:37] <DJones> crond: Yoou've jpined the channel, so by joining you accept the TOC, so feel free to leave the channel if you don't agrre
[17:38] <DJones> crond: Yoou've joined the channel, so by joining you accept the TOC, so feel free to leave the channel if you don't agree
[17:38] <crond> DJones: I am here and do not accept it, yet I exist
[17:39] <crond> so feel free to ban me or suck it up
[17:40] <DJones> crond: Don't waant to do that, but thats the requirements for using the chanel
[17:40] <Randolf> ioria: I just took the default that came with this installation of Linux.
[17:40] <Randolf> I didn't know that I'm on beta.
[17:40] <ioria> Randolf, opera is not a default snap
[17:41] <Randolf> Hmm.  Maybe I'm not remembering then.
[17:41] <Randolf> Is the "snap install gnome-3-28-1804" command safe to run, or will it try to replace my whole GNOME installation?
[17:41] <ioria> Randolf, yes, but you already have it
[17:43] <Randolf> Ah, yes, I see it in the list.  This is weird.
[17:44] <ioria> Randolf, you can try 2 things: remove that snap and install the correct one or  run     'snap connect opera:gnome-3-28-1804'
[17:45] <Randolf> The "snap connect opera:gnome-3-28-1804 gnome-3-28-1804" line didn't work.
[17:45] <Randolf> If I remove the snap, will I lose all my data files for Opera too?
[17:46] <ioria> Randolf, 'snap connect opera:gnome-3-28-1804 gnome-3-26-1604'
[17:47] <ioria> Randolf, sorry, 'snap connect opera:gnome-3-28-1804 gnome-3-28-1804'
[17:47] <Randolf> Yeah, that didn't do anything.
[17:47] <Randolf> Is there a log for snap somewhere I can check?
[17:48] <ioria> Randolf, can you paste 'snap find opera' ?
[17:50] <OerHeks> beta snap, i would drop it and go back to stable
[17:53] <ioria> Randolf, snaps logs to /var/log/syslog afaik
[17:54] <Randolf> Okay, thanks.
[17:54] <ioria> Randolf, can you paste 'snap find opera' ?
[17:54] <Randolf> I just got an emergency, and have to head off.  Thanks for your help.  I'll look into this when I get back.  (But I'll send that log first.)
[17:55] <Randolf> https://www.paste.org/flat/101332
[17:56] <Randolf> I'll be back.
[17:57] <ioria> Randolf, and you have 65.0.3467.38 ; try to run 'snap-discard-ns'
[17:58] <Randolf> snap-discard-ns: command not found
[18:01] <ioria> Randolf, ll /usr/lib/snapd/snap-discard-ns
[18:01] <Randolf> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26696 Jul 12 01:40 /usr/lib/snapd/snap-discard-ns*
[18:01] <ubuking> helpppppppppppppppp pöppppppppppppppppppppppppp
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> ubuking: dont troll again please
[18:02] <ubuking> have question
[18:05] <keden> When executing `uptime` on Ubuntu Server 19.10 it tells me I have 6 users (currently logged-in I suppose?), then I execute `users` and it's my own username 6 times, quite predictibly. I use tmux on this machine and only use it via SSH. Can I and should I remove users? Are these sessions?
[18:12] <Ben64> keden: what does it say when you do 'who'
[18:23] <akk> keden: Your terminal client may use login shells, so each terminal counts as a login
[18:23] <akk> and virtual consoles may also, if you're logged in on any of those.
[18:24] <akk> I currently have three users; I have two urxvts showing in X, plus a login on tty1.
[18:24] <akk> Most terminal clients can be set not to use loginShell if you don't like it (I like it and explicitly turn it on).
[18:33] <me> Hi,
[18:38] <Nomad_> Can anyone point me to a doc on enabling my bluetooth adapter on my Kali instance?  I'd like to get my headphones working but its saying no adapters.  Worked great yesterday in Kubuntu 18.04.  Latest Kali-rolling with kde plasma
[18:39] <Nomad_> googling isn't finding anything useful
[18:42] <JimBuntu> Kali isn't Ubuntu Nomad_ , not sure how much help the #Ubuntu support channel will be
[18:43] <Guest26105> Got a problem with apt-get install on a new 19.10. Any advice ? https://pastebin.com/jPQRM1fy
[18:43] <bumbar_> i guess i've managed to delete contents of /boot on an encrypted volume. i've booted from usb, chrooted to encrypted disk and reinstalled grub but now there's less files in there and update-grub is reporting "failed to connnect to lvmetad"
[18:44] <Nomad_> damnit, irssi but me in the wrong channel, in the same window
[18:44] <bumbar_> am i missing something?
[18:44] <Nomad_> in irssi, I've got #ubuntu and #kali in the same window, it didn't change to the kali chan when I joined, which is not the normal behavior.  re-asking there
[18:47] <mahavishvarupa> What's the recommended way to install packages from the command line?  apt-get or aptitude?
[18:50] <OerHeks> apt is superiour over apt-get, aptitude in not standard installed, but you can.
[18:55] <mahavishvarupa> Thanks OerHeks
[19:23] <elias_a> My Thinkpad X201 running 18.04 lost suddenly all sound devices. What should I do to get them back?
[19:33] <keden> Ben64: list of 6 users, who are all me. One of them has the IP address between brackets, the others all have "tmux".
[19:35] <keden> akk: I see, but why wouldn't it close when I exit the process on the remotely connected machine?
[19:36] <Mordoc> elias_a: Are the sound kernel modules still loaded? sudo lsmod | grep snd should get you started on this. Did this occur just after an update?
[19:40] <elias_a> Mordoc: They were and are. An old system. This mostly solved the issue: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/06/fix-no-sound-dummy-output-issue-in.html
[19:41] <elias_a> Mordoc: Still line in is missing...
[19:41] <TreyHarris> I have a lot of experience with Ubuntu as a server and shell workstation, but very little with it as a GUI. I just built a brand-new 18.04 LTS virtual from Ubuntu install iso, and after going through the first-login flow I tried to use the Software app. No matter what I try to install, it asks for my password (and checks it--I tried entering a wrong one to see), then downloads the package, and then
[19:41] <TreyHarris> puts a pin up error, "Unable to install {Application}: cannot perform the following tasks:" and that's it. ({Application} being the application I tried to install, not the literal string '{Application}'). I did an apt update and an upgrade of snapd; no change.
[19:42] <johnjay> TreyHarris: the cli is very friendly. with vfu, ncdu, and htop you don't even need a gui half the time
[19:42] <johnjay> i also void the software center unless i have to
[19:44] <TreyHarris> johnjay: I know--as I said, I've been using Ubuntu for shell login for 10 years or more.
[19:44] <TreyHarris> But I'd like to install Discord and Sublime Text
[19:45] <sarnold> TreyHarris: try apt install foo or snap install foo depending upon what you're trying to install; hopefully there'll be better error messages there
[19:46] <TreyHarris> sarnold:thank you
[19:49] <TreyHarris> sarnold: from snap install discord I get, "- Download snap "gnome-3-26-1604" (98) from channel "stable" (local error: tls: bad record MAC)"
[19:50] <TreyHarris> So I tried snap install gnome-3-26-1604; it dies with the above error, too
[19:51] <johnjay> TreyHarris: i assume there's some ppa thingie for discord?
[19:51] <johnjay> i'm scared to try installing skype after it failed last time as well
[19:52] <TreyHarris> johnjay:ah, you're saying it's going to try to install GNOME from Discord? Yes, that is scary
[19:53] <johnjay> no no i just meant trying to install skype didn't work for me before in ubuntu
[19:53] <johnjay> so i'm hesitant to try installing either of those
[19:53] <ioria> TreyHarris, the errors points to 'disabling checksum offloading'
[19:53] <pragmaticenigma> TreyHarris, what command are you typing to install the desired application?
[19:54] <TreyHarris> johnjay: I ran apt policy and all my sources are either security or archive.ubuntu.com
[19:54] <sarnold> TreyHarris: any chance you've got TCP or IP offloading on your NIC? those often lead to packet corruption that could induce those bad record MAC failures
[19:54] <ioria> TreyHarris, you can do it with ethtool or making a script in networkd-dispatcher
[19:54] <TreyHarris> pragmaticenigma: `snap install discord`.  Can I see what it's set to now before running that?
[19:57] <ioria> TreyHarris, ethtool -k|--show-features|--show-offload devname
[19:58] <johnjay> TreyHarris: ah i was wrong. you just do sudo snap install discord --classic and it installs for me
[19:58] <johnjay> i guess discord clients are open source but skype is not?
[19:59] <sarnold> iirc --classic removes all sandboxing, is that intentional?
[20:00] <TreyHarris> ioria: if I run `sudo ethtool --show-offload eth0 | grep rx` I get `rx-all: off [fixed]` as well as 9 more lines. I'm not sure which one is the one t olook at
[20:00] <johnjay> sarnold: i don't know, it's just what the wiki said to do
[20:01] <johnjay> hrm i thought i was on the ubuntu wiki but it was a different site.
[20:02] <ioria> TreyHarris, paste sudo ethtool  --show-features eth0
[20:02] <TreyHarris> Well, I just ran the ethtool -k into a file, so I'll check it again after I make the changes with `sudo ethtool --offload <my-interface>  rx off  tx off`
[20:04] <rypervenche> johnjay: Discord is closed-source.
[20:06] <TreyHarris> ioria:thank you, that seemed to have worked for gnome-3-26-1604. I'll try discord next
[20:06] <johnjay> ok
[20:06] <ioria> TreyHarris,ok; that snap should already bee installed btw
[20:07] <TreyHarris> ioria: perhaps, but it still gave the hmac error before and now not. The install of Discord worked too
[20:07] <TreyHarris> Now I'll try Sublime Text via the Software GUI
[20:07] <ioria> TreyHarris,ok, good
[20:08] <TreyHarris> No, same cryptic error, `Unable to install "Sublime Text": cannot perform the following tasks:`, and that's it.
[20:09] <ioria> TreyHarris,  snap list  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:10] <TreyHarris> ioria: https://termbin.com/vsfj
[20:13] <ioria> TreyHarris,  sudo snap  install sublime-text
[20:16] <TreyHarris> ioria: https://termbin.com/86lo
[20:17] <ioria> TreyHarris,  sudo snap  install sublime-text --classic
[20:17] <TreyHarris> ioria: I presume that will work. But there was an underlying issue with Discord and we found it--I'd like to find the underlying issue here, too
[20:18] <ioria> TreyHarris,  about the 'classic' thing or about the error in GUI ?
[20:19] <TreyHarris> ioria: the GUI
[20:19] <TreyHarris> I suppose it wouldn't hurt to install it on the CLI and then uninstall it before retrying in the GUI
[20:21] <ioria> TreyHarris, are you fully updated ? what's your kernel ?
[20:22] <TreyHarris> Yes, I just removed Discord with snap and then I installed Discord with the GUI, so that should be safe
[20:22] <ses1984> is there any possible issues going with ubuntu package mirrors now? i'm seeing a strange problem where doing apt-get upgrade is periodically getting 404s on security updates,  postgresql-client-common (190ubuntu0.1 postgresql-client (10+190ubuntu0.1)
[20:22] <TreyHarris> ioria: I did a full update reboot cycle, yes.
[20:23] <ioria> TreyHarris, uname -r
[20:24] <TreyHarris> ioria: Linux trey-ubuntu 5.0.0-36-generic #39~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 12 11:09:50 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:24] <TreyHarris> oh, sorry
[20:24] <TreyHarris> ioria: 5.0.0-36-generic
[20:25] <ioria> TreyHarris, it's ok; so it worked with gnome software this time ?
[20:26] <TreyHarris> ioria: https://termbin.com/ui5k
[20:26] <TreyHarris> Discord did work with the gui install, yes
[20:26] <sarnold> ses1984: it's possible that you retrieved the package lists from one mirror that had received the update but then apt tried to receive the package from a mirror that had not yet received the update; hopefully it'll work out if you try again
[20:26] <TreyHarris> But the above termbin shows that even with --classic sublime-text still isn't working
[20:27] <ioria> TreyHarris,  and sublime keeps failing ?
[20:27] <ses1984> sarnold: it's happening for 40 minutes
[20:27] <TreyHarris> ioria: ioria: you mean you want me to run https://termbin.com/ui5k again?
[20:28] <sarnold> ses1984: hm
[20:28] <TreyHarris> ioria: oh, curious, yes, it worked the second time
[20:28] <TreyHarris> But I didn't do anything between those two invocations
[20:28] <ioria> TreyHarris,  really ?
[20:28] <TreyHarris> Yes, I just hit up-arrow enter
[20:29] <TreyHarris> And it worked
[20:29] <Siamaster> While trying to install Windows, The installer went mad and created the System Reserved Partition on a wrong drive, where my keep my backups!
[20:29] <ioria> TreyHarris, i see
[20:29] <Siamaster> I'm trying to use testdisk to recover the files
[20:29] <ses1984> sarnold: surely someone, somewhere, maybe in a dingy basement, maybe in a skyscraper...has noticed an uptick in 404s to the ubuntu package repos? ... right?
[20:29] <ioria> TreyHarris, but remember that the 'ethtool --offload eth0 ' is only temporary
[20:30] <Siamaster> My ext4 partition is found but I can't list the files
[20:30] <TreyHarris> And it works on gnome-software when I tried a second time, too
[20:30] <ses1984> are any of those metrics/statuses public?
[20:30] <Siamaster> It says "No file found, filesystem may be damaged.   "
[20:30] <Siamaster> Are they gone?
[20:30] <TreyHarris> ioria: no, I don't rememmber... sorry, I missed it when you told me. One moment while I read scrollback more carefully.
[20:31] <ioria> TreyHarris, https://michael.mulqueen.me.uk/2018/08/disable-offloading-netplan-ubuntu/
[20:32] <ioria> TreyHarris, it will be reseted when you reboot
[20:34] <TreyHarris> Oh, thank you--I re-read the scrollback but didn't see that. Sorry, I need to read more carefully
[20:34] <TreyHarris> I haven't rebooted since I first tried to install something, though
[20:34] <TreyHarris> I rebooted just once, after applying updates
[20:35] <ioria> TreyHarris, it's ok
[20:36] <ioria> TreyHarris, better to avoid the zombieload :þ
[20:37] <sarnold> ses1984: I'm able to retrieve that file fine from all the IPv4-reachable mirrors; which mirror is your apt talking with? (ss ought to be able to report the IP) are you using a caching proxy that might have cached a 404 for too long? is your ISP doing transparent proxying that might cache a 404 for too long?
[20:40] <OerHeks> linux firmware update, nice
[20:46] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi
[20:47] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am trying to mount the Macbook drive to the /mnt on my Ubuntu i can access the samba share from Macbook on my Ubuntu but can not seem to do it other way around
[20:47] <aleksandrdvorkin> the command i issue is
[20:47] <aleksandrdvorkin> sudo mount -t /ipofmacbook/Users/alexandrdvorkin/Downloads /mnt
[20:48] <aleksandrdvorkin> and i get permission denied
[20:48] <aleksandrdvorkin> i added the user aleksandrdvorkin on macbook and i set the password
[20:48] <aleksandrdvorkin> but i get Permission denied
[20:49] <aleksandrdvorkin> the same if smb://<IP_ADDRESS> i get the password window keeps poping up\
[20:51] <forgodsake> 2 step auth google in ubuntu, i dont receive message...hi
[20:52] <forgodsake> followed as https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-setup-two-factor-authentication-in-linux/
[20:56] <leftyfb> I know this isn't ubuntu-specific, but it's going to be part of focal and potentially become an issue. Is this telling me that they removed the import feature because we are able to create the conf files manually and copy them to the nm directory? https://github.com/nm-l2tp/NetworkManager-l2tp/commit/375bfb8ab6a37461224bd81d2df3581f298cb943#diff-ba222b3b8656f7bd1ab7b0fba8a483e9R95
[20:58] <forgodsake> ubuntu fit my needs but as i added this layer of security i got in trouble
[20:59] <forgodsake> now the current user login asks for confirmation code, i am afraid if i reboot wont be able to login
[21:06] <forgodsake> i have google authenticator
[21:06] <forgodsake> sudo apt install libpam-google-authenticator
[21:06] <forgodsake>  	sudo nano /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[21:07] <forgodsake> auth required pam_google_authenticator.so nullok
[21:08] <forgodsake> not a qrcode in the line
[21:12] <forgodsake> i dont have really special thing aint bakuped before bBUT
[21:13] <forgodsake> ubuntu woks?
[21:14] <forgodsake> have you tryed it yourself? or rely on memory?
[21:18] <forgodsake> cozy this channell to fall assleep
[21:19] <okami-xaero> sooooo
[21:19] <okami-xaero> hi!
[21:21] <forgodsake> okami-xaero: man y r here for ask help or do help?
[21:22] <okami-xaero> forgodsake: neither, this is actually my real first time on irc. just browsing around
[21:25] <forgodsake> okami-xaero: the not good add noise to channell ass the bosses. not a place to chat.
[21:26] <forgodsake> I have a problem thecnical
[21:26] <okami-xaero> forgodsake: ok sorry
[21:27] <keepguessing> I am unable to open nautilus via the UI or the terminal. I see an error "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyUnable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused"
[21:28] <keepguessing> searching online did not help me.
[21:28] <keepguessing> Has anyone experienced this lately?
[21:29] <Siamaster> Why am I having issues with installing ubuntu, I don't understand
[21:29] <lordcirth> keepguessing, what Ubuntu version? Have you installed any graphics drivers?
[21:29] <Siamaster> I have just both installed Windows and Linux Lime Cinammon
[21:29] <Siamaster> but with ubuntu, both 18.04.3 and the latest 19.10 fails
[21:29] <Siamaster> first, it doesn't recognize my main monitor
[21:30] <Siamaster> and then it crashes on "copying files"
[21:30] <lordcirth> !oneline | Siamaster
[21:30] <lordcirth> Siamaster, can you try 18.04.1?
[21:33] <Siamaster> Did anyone answer regarding to my installation question? I had to restart
[21:33] <forgodsake> i did the qrcode now
[21:33] <Siamaster> It's driving me crazy. With 2 different versions, same problem.
[21:33] <forgodsake> afraid to reboot
[21:37] <noalternative> My Lenovo T400 has hybrid graphics, and I am having a hard time enabling and using the other card.
[21:37] <noalternative> The other card is a Radeon 3400.
[21:37] <forgodsake> if i dont   ask for help is because im f88ed
[21:38] <noalternative> I am using instructions from the ubuntu wiki. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics &
[21:39] <Siecje> I want psql but I don't want to run a postgresql server. What should I install?
[21:39] <noalternative> and https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[21:41] <Habbie> Siecje, postgresl-client-common on my Debian, so probably on your Ubuntu too
[21:41] <Habbie> Siecje, sorry, postgresql-client-common
[21:44] <forgodsake> i must do anytime. hello reintallation... a contrary promise of linux
[21:44] <forgodsake> shall do now
[21:44] <forgodsake> give y less noise
[21:45] <forgodsake> Verification code:
[21:45] <forgodsake> F*
[21:45] <noalternative> My problem with the wiki begins after you get to "using vga_switcharoo"   I start getting all permission denied after the second command. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wc5nJvrXs3/
[21:46] <forgodsake> even to reboot aks me
[21:47] <forgodsake> teckreplubic gave to me package approved to to
[21:48] <leif> Is there any way I can disable scrolling in chrome in ubuntuwhen the alt key is pressed?
[21:55] <noalternative> My problem with the second link is the instructions for adding lines to xorg.,conf   When I open it with sudo gedit it appears to be empty, so where was xorg moved?
[21:55] <noalternative> The claim it is /etc/X11/xorg.conf but the file is empty.
[21:56] <noalternative> There are no instructions for switchable graphics.
[22:07] <noalternative> noalternative: anyway pm me, if you can help?
[22:11] <Siamaster> I have problems installing ubuntu. I could just install both Windows and Linux Lime. But with ubuntu, first it doesn't detect my main monitor and then it crashes on "copying files". I've tried both 18.04 and 19.10
[22:11] <Siamaster> what can I do to install ubuntu?
[22:12] <Siamaster> what linux distro is closest to ubuntu?
[22:12] <Siamaster> I hate linux lime, it's so laggy
[22:14] <keepguessing> lordcirth: i am on ubuntu 18.04. The ubuntu is running on fusion vm. This was working and has recentely stopped working.
[22:15] <keepguessing> I have done apt-get upgrade couple of times.
[22:15] <noalternative> What is the make and model of computer your using.  Is it a desktop or laptop?
[22:15] <keepguessing> noalternative: are you asking me?
[22:15] <noalternative> I am speaking to Siamaster
[22:16] <keepguessing> noalternative: ah ok. sure thanks
[22:16] <Siamaster> It's desktop
[22:16] <Siamaster> I've had problems with installing ubuntu some months now
[22:16] <noalternative> what brand and what is the model called
[22:18] <noalternative> Is it Hewlett Packard, Lenovo, Dell, something else?
[22:18] <Siamaster> I don't know man! I'm not here to really answer questions I have 1000 problems
[22:18] <Siamaster> none of those
[22:19] <Siamaster> sorry man, I just lost some important data
[22:19] <keepguessing> I think I am facing this issue. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1822351
[22:19] <noalternative> Well it is hard to help you if you can't give us information about your hardware.
[22:20] <aleksandrdvorkin> can someone help me mount the Macbook drive to ubuntu
[22:21] <aleksandrdvorkin> i issue this command it returns invalid argument
[22:21] <aleksandrdvorkin>  sudo mount -t cifs //Alexandrs-Macbook.local/Users/ mnt/projectsmac -o noauto,user,username=alexandrdvorkin,noperm,uid=aleksandrdvorkin,gid=aleksandrdvorkin,sec=ntlmssp,nounix
[22:21] <Siamaster> noalternative how can you help me after I give you hardware information?
[22:21] <Siamaster> and sorry, I thought you were just asking
[22:22] <noalternative> Well I can learn if you're hardware meats the system requirements, and I can look up any issues that may require a different approach to installation,
[22:29] <noalternative> What you say you installed linux lime, do you mean linux mint?
[22:29] <noalternative> or linux lite?
[22:32] <harwiltz> Hello all. I'm working on my lab's computer (ubuntu 16.04) and running into weird issues trying to install python3-dev. When I run sudo apt install python3-dev, it tries to install version 3.5.2-2ubuntu0~16.04.5, and then I get 404 errors. Checking the repos, I see this version in fact does not exist, the repos currently have
[22:33] <harwiltz> 3.5.2-2ubuntu0~16.04.9. When I run apt seach python3-dev, once again I see the ...16.04.5 version. Anyone know what's up with this?
[22:33] <noalternative> Sorry Siamaster, I mean when you say you installed linux lime etc....
[22:33] <Siamaster> Linux mint with cinnamon sorry
[22:34] <kostkon> !info python3-dev xenial
[22:35] <harwiltz> ubottu sorry I meant python3.5-dev
[22:35] <harwiltz> !info python3.5-dev xenial
[22:36] <harwiltz> kostkon sorry I meant 3.5-dev everywhere
[22:36] <kostkon> harwiltz, you could try changing your mirror in Software & Updates. Also, apt-cache policy python3.5-dev
[22:37] <harwiltz> kostkon my mirrors look fine though
[22:37] <harwiltz> policy shows the 16.04.5 version too
[22:38] <noalternative> Siamaster.   I think your computer is older, and probably would do better with a nonpae installation of say lubuntu https://docs.lubuntu.net/lubuntu_installation_on_old_computers.html
[22:38] <kostkon> harwiltz, could you pastebin it just in case
[22:39] <harwiltz> kostkon sure, but I just checked manually. Anyway I'll pastebin it
[22:40] <harwiltz> https://pastebin.com/sERRwdUz
[22:42] <sarnold> harwiltz: did you run apt update first?
[22:42] <harwiltz> sarnold yeah
[22:44] <kostkon> harwiltz, try changing to a different mirror
[22:45] <harwiltz> kostkon but something must be wrong before the mirror if apt search is showing the wrong version, right?
[22:46] <kostkon> harwiltz, most likely that mirror hasn't synced with the main for some time and is a bit behind
[22:46] <kostkon> harwiltz, try changing to the main one, always a safe choice
[22:47] <harwiltz> what's the main one? I think I am on the main one
[22:47] <noalternative> Siamaster here is a direct link to the lubuntu alternet install cd. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO
[22:48] <noalternative> Siamaster just follow the instructions on the bottom of the last link.  Pretty simple.  Most likely to work.
[22:48] <sarnold> the ca.archive.ubuntu.com address just redirects to the US mirrors
[22:48] <sarnold> (it used to be both UK and US mirrors until pals complained about the slow transit to the UK :)
[22:49] <Siamaster> noalternative thanks a lot man! I will try that
[22:49] <Siamaster> what is Lubuntu?
[22:49] <Siamaster> another version of ubuntu?
[22:49] <sarnold> harwiltz: are you usuing a caching proxy like squid-deb-proxy or apt-cacher-ng? or is your ISP performing transparent proxying?
[22:49] <harwiltz> sarnold so wouldn't this just be the main one?
[22:49] <noalternative> It is a lightweight version of ubuntu for older computers.
[22:49] <harwiltz> sarnold I'm not sure ;)
[22:50] <noalternative> It has lxde desktop environment instead of gnome but otherwise works with ubuntu repositories.
[22:50] <Siamaster> Thanks! I will try that
[22:51] <sarnold> harwiltz: yeah..
[22:52] <sarnold> harwiltz: try this thing, see what happens http://whatismyip.network/detect-isp-proxy-tool/
[22:53] <noalternative> Siamaster one last thing,. Install the 32bit version, not 64
[22:53] <noalternative> 64bit
[22:53] <Siamaster> Why?
[22:53] <Siamaster> actually
[22:53] <Siamaster> good idea, I will try
[23:06] <noalternative> I am still seeking help setting up hybrid graphics with ati drivers.  pm me if you can help.
[23:06] <sarnold> you'll get far more success if you report what you tried, what didn't work, what error messages you get
[23:15] <jilocasin> evening everyone
[23:16] <jilocasin> Does anyone know how I can find out the default programs installed by Ubuntu Server 18.04 LTS and when/by whom a particular program was first installed?
[23:19] <sarnold> jilocasin: I believe this is the best way to find out what's shipped by default https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.bionic/
[23:20] <sarnold> jilocasin: the "when" can be found by inspecting /var/log/dpkg.log
[23:21] <sarnold> jilocasin: the "by whom" can be found by inspecting /var/log/auth.log if everyone uses 'sudo apt install ...' commands
[23:21] <jilocasin> sarnold: thanks.
[23:22] <jilocasin> sarold: I've noticed x11 on one of my ubuntu server servers and I don't remember installing it myself (I just use ssh) so I am wondering if it's a default install, or if someone did it trying to get some sort of UI
[23:24] <Ben64> what do you mean by x11
[23:24] <sarnold> jilocasin: X shouldn't be in the default server -- I don't see it installed on a system I set up a week ago
[23:27] <jilocasin> Ben64: gsfonts-x11, libx11-6, libx11-data, x11-common
[23:27] <sarnold> hmm did someone want to ssh -X xterm on that thing?
[23:28] <sarnold> I've got these libx11-6:arm64 libx11-data but not x11-commnon installed on this
[23:28] <jilocasin> sarnold: perhaps, there was a couple of MSSQL dba's that thought they needed to log into the machine to review the postgresql instance and were horrified that it didn't have a GUI.
[23:29] <jilocasin> sarnold: They might have gotten someone on the server team to try an *fix* that problem.
[23:29] <sarnold> jilocasin: heh, yeah, how can you right click and get properties if you can't even use the mouse? :)
[23:29]  * jilocasin off for a bit.
[23:34] <seanh> Hi, desperately trying to fix a friend's laptop. ThinkPad X1 Carbon running Ubuntu 18.04. It has simply stopped detecting an HDMI external display. Doesn't show in display settings. Was working before
[23:34] <seanh> Not getting anywhere with google results
[23:34] <seanh> Any ideas?
[23:36] <sarnold> seanh: I've had some frustrations with lenovo docks and my x16 g6 -- quite often the display only works if I boot the computer with the display hooked up and the dock plugged in etc
[23:36] <sarnold> it's way less dynamic than I'd expect
[23:38] <seanh> No dock involved here
[23:39] <seanh> I've tried rebooting with the monitor already plugged in. Booting with it unplugged and then plugging it in. Tried booting older kernels. Tried LightDM and GDM. So far nothing
[23:39] <sarnold> aha those feel like things that should  have worked
[23:39] <sarnold> can you see it with xrandr?
[23:39] <sarnold> anything funny in dmesg?
[23:39] <seanh> Also tried different HDMI cables, and a different monitor (exact same make and model of monitor though) none of them work
[23:39] <sarnold> double-check the cable is solidly seated?
[23:39] <sarnold> aha
[23:39] <sarnold> any other laptops to test with?
[23:40] <seanh> One of the monitors I've tried does work with another Ubuntu computer
[23:40] <seanh> But the other computer is DisplayPort not HDMI though
[23:41] <seanh> xrandr says "HDMI-1 disconnected"
[23:41] <seanh> Also "HDMI-2 disconnected"
[23:42] <sarnold> hmmmm
[23:43] <seanh> This actually happened to this laptop before a few months ago and it took me forever to get to the bottom of it
[23:43] <sarnold> I'm pretty sure my external monitor actually showed the lenovo splash during early boot
[23:43] <seanh> And I can't remember what the solution was last time
[23:43] <sarnold> try if it works *before* ubuntu is even involved
[23:44] <seanh> If I go into the BIOS, it just shows on the internal display
[23:45] <sarnold> maybe that's just something the dock does :/ I didn't play around much with directly-attached monitor..
[23:48] <ozzzo> seanh: what caused it a few months ago?
[23:49] <sarnold> seanh: alright, I've got two guesses left: (a) fn+f7 (b) firmware updates
[23:49] <seanh> ozzzo: I can't remember, which is really annoying
[23:49] <seanh> I've been trying Fn+F7, that doesn't seem to do anything
[23:51] <seanh> Just opened the "Software" app and clicked check for updates: it has two ThinkPad Carbin 6th firmware updates
[23:51] <seanh> I'll try installing them
[23:56] <seanh> Still nothing after rebooting after the firmware upgrades
[23:58] <sarnold> blech
[23:59] <sarnold> maybe a live USB thing? perhaps non-ubuntu?


[01:03] <mparillo> DarinMiller pointed out that Plasma 5.17 is available for Kubuntu 19.10 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports?field.series_filter=eoan
[01:04] <mparillo> Do we need a news article? More of an announcement or more of a testing request?
[01:19] <mparillo> Drafted Here: https://kubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=4265&action=edit
[03:25] <RikMills> mparillo: tomorrow I will be building 5.17.1. maybe wait for those fixes?
[04:52] <valorie> oh, good idea
[04:52] <valorie> and thank you mparillo
[04:52] <valorie> also by then perhaps people on 19.04 will be prompted to upgrade?
[04:53] <valorie> we seem to get a question about that once a day or so
[04:53] <valorie> unsure why people are skittish about using -d
[09:18] <RikMills> 10:17:18 /tmp/jenkins5564252835471229931.sh: line 2: ./rvm.env: No such file or directory
[09:18] <RikMills> 10:17:18 /var/lib/jenkins/tooling3/kci/build.rb:26:in `<main>': undefined method `options' for Docker:Module (NoMethodError)
[09:18] <RikMills> yofel: ^^ :(
[09:18] <RikMills> on both slaves
[10:09] <RikMills> yofel: downgraded jre and plugins seemed to install after restart. I'll carry on trying various jobs to see if things stay ok
[10:10] <sitter> you really should move away from rvm ;)
[10:11] <RikMills> sitter: fancy doing it, as I have no clue :P
[10:11] <RikMills> just joking
[10:17] <RikMills> we should really move away from ruby full stop :P
[10:22] <sitter> well, that I have been hearing for like 3 years now :P
[10:24] <sitter> assuming rvm isn't actually set up or anything if you put that into the .bashrc or .profile or .bash_profile or whatever stuff should just work https://paste.debian.net/1109112/
[10:25] <sitter> needs restarting of the slave processes to adopt the env of course
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[19:15] <valorie> RikMills: when will 5.17.1 be ready?
[19:15] <valorie> mparillo's story looks good, maybe with an added image
[19:16] <RikMills> valorie: it is building now in the PPAs. launchpad is as usual being very slow
[19:17] <valorie> kool
[19:17] <valorie> we'll wait to publish until it's baked, I think?
[19:18] <RikMills> I would. even it if takes ages, I can push things in the morning my time
[19:18] <valorie> excellent
[19:19] <valorie> has anyone else noticed problems with Falkon?
[19:19] <valorie> since upgrade, I've had to use chrome most of the time
[19:19] <valorie> about half of pages in Flakon won't open
[19:21] <clivejo> valorie: got an example?
[19:21] <RikMills> don't use it I'm afraid. that sounds rubbish, but honestly looks like it has almost died off. not much going on in kde
[19:22] <RikMills> valorie: do you have a @kde.org email address?
[19:22] <valorie><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:22] <RikMills> valorie: would you support me getting one?
[19:22] <valorie> yes
[19:22] <RikMills> would be easier over various projects to use such a thing
[19:23] <valorie> you can have a kdemail.org just by asking
[19:23] <RikMills> valorie: I know, but I want the nicer one :P
[19:23] <valorie> RikMills: it's one of the hallmarks of being in the e.V.
[19:23] <valorie> right, so did I
[19:23] <valorie> :-)
[19:23] <RikMills> valorie: I just need 2 people who already have one to support the ticket
[19:24] <valorie> you are part of the plasma team, so yes you should have one
[19:24] <valorie> well, Jon and sitter will support you for sure
[19:24] <RikMills> valorie: yeah, I will probably ask Jonathan to 2nd
[19:24] <valorie> and scarlett and bhushan
[19:24] <RikMills> indeed
[19:25] <RikMills> clivejo: nice to see you still here!
[19:26] <clivejo> I forgot I need to log into BNC to take myself out!
[19:27] <RikMills> oh :/
[19:27] <valorie> ha
[19:27] <valorie> I miss chatting with you here, clivejo
[19:27] <clivejo> valorie: what pages are you having probs with in falkon?
[19:28] <valorie> well, I still have konvi set to open up pages from IRC
[19:28] <valorie> so just now, I was going to check mparillo's page, but it said it ran out of memory!
[19:29] <valorie> that's most of the errors -- close some tabs, you're running out of memory
[19:29] <santa_> good night everybody
[19:29] <valorie> there was no problem before the upgrade
[19:29] <valorie> niters santa_
[19:29] <clivejo> not noticed anything myself
[19:30]  * clivejo waves @santa_
[19:30] <valorie> are you on plasma 5.17?
[19:30] <clivejo> I am
[19:30] <valorie> ok
[19:30] <valorie> well, I'll keep trying (and closing tabs)
[19:30] <santa_> RikMills: first frameworks test rebuilds almost done, if you have plasma changes would be nice to get them on git
[19:31] <santa_> (because I plan to start with plasma once I finish the last fw bits @ area51)
[19:31] <santa_> nice to see you clivejo :)
[19:31] <clivejo> did area 51 get stormed?
[19:31] <RikMills> santa_: what I have staged for 5.17.1 is pushed. that will get test drops added to it when archive opens
[19:32] <santa_> clivejo: nope but just rebooted :P
[19:33] <RikMills> santa_: was hoping I could uploaded things with dropped tests before 5.17.1, but archive opening is slow due to python and perls transitions being done 1st by release team
[19:33]  * RikMills thumps keyboard
[19:34] <santa_> RikMills: yeah I got hit by the perl thing here XD
[19:36] <clivejo> valorie: what Qt you running?
[19:36] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-Oryx-Pro': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.17.0 on Ubuntu 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) powered by Linux 5.3.0-18-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 3406-3566/3800 MHz, RAM: 31318/32066 MB, Storage: 326/1144 GB, 287 procs, 88.28h up
[19:36] <valorie> oh, that doesn't say
[19:37] <valorie>  5.12.4
[19:37] <valorie> according to about system
[19:38] <clivejo> seems to be the only difference in other systems
[19:38] <clivejo> our
[19:40] <clivejo> building a git version at the moment
[19:40] <RikMills> clivejo: you have an oryx pro with 32GB ram?
[19:40] <clivejo> not that part, no
[19:40]  * RikMills hides
[19:40] <clivejo> but it can have 32 of swap, if it wants
[19:40] <valorie> lol
[19:42] <clivejo> yeah, you better hide!
[19:42] <valorie> more memory than I need
[19:42] <valorie> wish falkon would use it
[19:42] <valorie> :-)
[19:43] <clivejo> reported a bug?
[19:46] <valorie> I've not
[19:47] <valorie> I'll keep testing for awhile and do so if necessary
 early heads-up, I want to create a release video for Kubuntu 20.04
[20:36] <clivejo> it an LTS?
 yes
 @MichaelTunnell, I hoped you would. Great. :)
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/rG7BotSS/file_19246.mp4
[21:01]  * RikMills kicks launchpad with steel toecaps
[21:04] <blaze> it can do worse
[21:04]  * RikMills tries depleted uranium toecaps
[22:33] <mparillo> valorie: After one of the upgrades, Falkon reported running out of memory, sometimes even with only one tab. I resolved it by clearing all my cookies, browsing history, everything.
[22:33] <valorie> that sounds like some bad programming somewhere
[22:33] <valorie> "garbage collection" or so


[08:56] <AndChat176409> Hello Last 16.04 update ended in no possibility of establishing internet connection, both by wire and wi-fi. How to undo this update?
[08:57] <flocculant> AndChat176409: go to #ubuntu for released version support
[08:57] <AndChat176409> My IP is banned there
[08:59] <AndChat176409> Where should I write to cancel this old ban?
[09:02] <flocculant> AndChat176409: try talking to someone in #ubuntu-ops
[09:02] <AndChat176409> Thanks
[09:02] <flocculant> welcome
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:52] <Beladona> hi
[13:52] <Beladona> I did do-release-upgrade but it says no release available
[13:54] <Beladona> helo
[13:54] <krytarik> !ltsupgrade | Beladona: This perhaps?
[13:54] <Beladona> isnt the 16.04 released yet?
[13:55] <Beladona> krytarik:  kubuntu 15.04 IS released already http://kubuntu.com/getkubuntu/
[13:56] <krytarik> Beladona: Notice the ".1" at that - i.e. point release.
[13:57] <Beladona> krytarik:  ya but why cant I upgrade to 16.04 lts?
[13:57] <Beladona> 16.04 is released
[13:59] <krytarik> Beladona: If you desparately want to upgrade from your 14.04 LTS now already: "do-release-upgrade -d"
[14:00] <krytarik> Otherwise, it's not advised yet.
[14:00] <Beladona> why I cant get the official one? krytarik
[14:01] <krytarik> Well, that'd *be* the "official" one.
[14:02] <Beladona> the current 16.04 lts is not official?
[14:04] <krytarik> Ah, I see you get help elsewhere too already...
[14:05] <Beladona> krytarik:   I see http://kubuntu.com/getkubuntu/ declares the official releast of 16.04 lts. My questions is that if I am on 14.04 lts, why.. cant I see it in do-release-upgrade notI can upgrade without a -d ?
[14:05] <Beladona> krytarik:  yes, but not getting to a conclusion
[14:13] <maxb> You're getting a conclusion, you just don't seem to like it
[14:14] <Beladona> hm ya. got it
[14:14] <Beladona> thx


[08:20] <dholbach> good morning
[09:42]  * dholbach relocates - brb
[10:02] <dholbach> dpm, call? :)
[10:02] <dpm> dholbach, coming
[10:02] <dholbach> :)
[17:08] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day
[17:08] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow!
[17:39] <jono> hey folks
[18:47] <bkerensa> jono: hello
[18:47] <bkerensa> jono: the CLSx went great... lots of new faces and we did a hand count at the end and many are now interested in the mainline CLS
[20:32] <pleia2> bkerensa: was it mostly tech folks, or did you get some diversity in attendees there? (was intersting to learn at CLSx West down here a couple years ago how many *non-tech* folks came out)
[20:44] <bkerensa> pleia2: it was mostly not tech folks and mostly women
[20:45] <pleia2> cool
[20:46] <pleia2> it was a strange environment for me, I felt like a tech person who "just happens to do community stuff for fun" where I was surrounded by professional community people
[20:46] <pleia2> "so, what do you do?" "uh, I'm a sysadmin"
[20:47] <pleia2> but healthy place to be I think, I certainly gained a lot from the diverse crowd :)
[21:21] <mhall119> pleia2 saying "I'm a sysadmin" is like Linus saying "I'm a software developer", pretty big understatement
[21:22] <bkerensa> mhall119: Linus is not really a developer much at all
[21:22] <bkerensa> he rarely writes code
[21:22] <mhall119> missing the point bkerensa
[21:22] <bkerensa> more like a part-time project manager at best
[21:23] <bkerensa> popey: were you ever able to confirm whether the Ubuntu Modifications Add-on works on FF nightly for Ubuntu?
[21:24] <popey> bkerensa: sadly not, have had other ff demons to deal with ☻
[21:24] <bkerensa> popey: what demons are those?
[21:24] <bkerensa> :)
[21:24] <popey> install flash, firefox crashes
[21:24] <popey> uninstall flash, firefox crashes
[21:24] <bkerensa> hmm
[21:25] <popey> turns out it's the cisco h264 codec
[21:25] <bkerensa> ah
[21:25] <popey> which, unlike any other plugin, cannot be set to "ask to run"
[21:25] <popey> it can only be set to "always" or "never"
[21:25] <bkerensa> I think we have a bug open for this
[21:25] <popey> which is annoying
[21:25] <popey> so I set it to "never"
[21:25] <popey> and it hasn't crashed since
[21:25] <popey> but it tends to get worse after about 6 days uptime
[21:25] <popey> so we'll see
[21:25] <pleia2> mhall119: hah, thanks :)
[21:27] <popey> But I am persevering with firefox having not used it for ~2 cycles
[21:27] <popey> it's been 3 weeks now. and i've only sworn a few times :D
[21:32] <bkerensa> popey: we appreciate the support
[21:32] <bkerensa> :)
[21:35] <popey> heh
[21:51] <popey> bkerensa: fyi, my crash report https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/51e9311f-c799-4986-88ba-926ee2141114
[21:51] <popey> someone else from moz looked at it and was pointing the finger at gstreamer
[21:51] <popey> said nobody seems to be able to fix that bit
[21:54] <bkerensa> popey: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/list?product=Firefox&range_unit=days&range_value=28&signature=mozilla%3A%3AGStreamerReader%3A%3AImageDataFromVideoFrame#tab-table
[21:54] <bkerensa> oddly only 20 crashes
[21:54] <bkerensa> :D
[21:57] <popey> i suspect most people have flash installed
[21:57] <popey> or adblock
[21:57] <popey> i have neither
[21:57] <popey> the crash I got was on imgur where their ad placement code would detect no flash and put a video there.
[21:58] <popey> Maybe if all the Mozilla developers used Linux and not OSX, they'd see the issue too ㋛
[22:13] <belkinsa> popey, what headphones do you have?  I'm thinking about buying a pair like yours since they can go wired and BT.
[22:14] <balloons> touche @ mozilla popey!
[22:23] <popey> belkinsa: i never use them for bluetooth
[22:23] <popey> belkinsa: bluetooth on linux sucks
[22:24] <popey> i have used them for debugging audio playback from various devices over bluetooth but most often i use a cable
[22:24] <silverlion> o/ everybody
[22:24] <popey> belkinsa: i think they're Philips SHB9100
[22:26] <belkinsa> Thanks popey
[22:28] <popey> np


[09:22] <vip> hi
[09:23] <vip> 602k files indexed, size of index: 2,39GB
[09:23] <vip> better than 60G :)
[11:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:02] <blaze> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Packaging is still a link which leads nowhere
[14:03] <blaze> in case if someone cares
[14:03] <blaze> from the Contribute page
[15:53] <mparillo> From https://kubuntu.org/contribute-to-kubuntu/ ?
[15:54] <mparillo> Then to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development
[15:54] <mparillo> Admittedly a bit stale.
[15:56] <mparillo> Can you help me understand the source where the target to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Packaging may be found?
[16:01] <blaze> it's userbase page
[16:01] <blaze> https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Contribute#Packaging_and_Development
[16:08] <kinghat> if i have a 19.04 ubuntu system with plasma-desktop installed, if i upgrade to 19.10, it disables 3rd party repos that then need to be enabled again. does the plasma desktop get updated automatically after or do you have to run a specific command?
[17:10] <mparillo> blaze: Thank you. At least the link now goes somewhere.
[20:25] <valorie> kinghat, if you want the latest Plasma, see   https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-17-for-kubuntu-19-10-available-in-backports-ppa/
[20:25] <valorie> after upgrade
[20:25] <valorie> it landed too late to get into eoan
[20:26] <valorie> oh gosh, we need to fix this chan topic!
[20:26] <valorie> Disco Dingo indeed
[20:27] <kinghat> ya i know i was just wondering about the context of having plasma desktop on top of ubuntu and then going from 19.04 to 19.10.
[20:29] <valorie> hmm
[20:30] <valorie> I wouldn't advise that, but you can certainly do it
[20:30] <valorie> this is not the channel for support however
[20:30] <valorie> shall we go to #kubuntu?
[20:31] <kinghat> #ubuntu+1?
[20:31] <valorie> no
[20:31] <valorie> that's for focal
[20:32] <valorie> 19.10 has been out for 2? weeks
[20:32] <kinghat> #ubuntu-offtopic ? this isnt really kubuntu tbh.
[20:32] <valorie> #kubuntu is our support channel


[10:39] <tonyyarusso> @schedule toronto
[10:39] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Toronto: 05 Dec 15:00: Technical Board | 06 Dec 15:00: Edubuntu | 07 Dec 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Dec 07:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 15:00: Technical Board
[01:22] <juliux> hi mvo
[01:24] <mvo> hey juliux!
[02:42] <effraie> dholbach: ping & hello
[02:42] <effraie> troy_s tell me to contact you for my little problem
[03:37] <dholbach> effraie: ok, fire away
[03:37] <effraie> ;)
[03:37] <dholbach> effraie: what is it about? packaging?
[03:37] <effraie> no
[03:37] <effraie> mailman admin
[03:37] <dholbach> oh?
[03:37] <effraie> i'm moderator for ubuntu-art list
[03:37] <dholbach> let's move to a query
[07:52] <tonyyarusso> @schedule toronto
[07:52] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Toronto: 05 Dec 15:00: Technical Board | 06 Dec 15:00: Edubuntu | 07 Dec 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Dec 07:00: Edubuntu | 14 Dec 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Dec 15:00: Technical Board
[10:05] <Phoenix7477> is there a logfile of CC meetings somewhere?
[10:06] <zul> yes check the topic
[10:46] <Phoenix7477> ahh, thank you zul :)


[00:59] <KeeperoftheKeys> hey
[00:59] <KeeperoftheKeys> I suspect this question has come up in the past but I haven't found a sufficient answer for it so far
[01:00] <KeeperoftheKeys> Is there any reason the server installer doesn't allow me to use a mdadm raid1 with 0.90 metadata as ESP device?
[01:01] <KeeperoftheKeys> I have a Debian machine that boots that way (granted I had to fix booting because the Debian installer also couldn't figure out where to put boot stuff, but in the end of the day this is a bootable config)
[01:02] <KeeperoftheKeys> config - 2 disks, each disk formatted GPT, part 1 256M mdraid1 vfat ESP, part 2 rest mdraid1 btrfs (yes I know that I could have done raid1 at the btrfs level)
[01:03] <sarnold> KeeperoftheKeys: if I've understood correctly, it's because the filesystem in question can be modified from other operating systems or from the uefi boot environment itself, and would therefore bust your raid; dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc or grub-efi-amd64 or something like that should make it possible to install into two filesystems and keep some semblance of redundancy there
[01:05] <KeeperoftheKeys> you mean that the UEFI env might write to only one of the 2 drives?
[01:06] <KeeperoftheKeys> (thanks for the quick response :))
[01:07] <patdk-lap> well, the esp is shared between operating systems and even the bios
[01:07] <patdk-lap> I install a uefi shell and firmware updates using it
[01:07] <patdk-lap> but anything done outside of linux won't be able to mount the mdadm raid and keep it in sync
[01:07] <patdk-lap> if you never plan to, ya, mdadm would be accaptable
[01:08] <patdk-lap> or just let grub do it's thing, and your always be bootable to ubuntu, just not maybe anything else that is custom added to the esp partition
[01:08] <KeeperoftheKeys> for me it would be in linux or EFI so the moment the OS was booted change would sync over
[01:09] <KeeperoftheKeys> if I add both disks as boot disks like most tutorials suggest what is making sure that both /boot/efi and /boot partitions remain in sync?
[01:09] <KeeperoftheKeys> (instead of mdraid)
[01:11] <patdk-lap> mdadm should make sure boot partition is
[01:11] <patdk-lap> but grub would do it's normal thing for efi
[01:12] <patdk-lap> it won't make sure both are in sync
[01:12] <patdk-lap> it would make sure the ubuntu entry in both boots grub
[01:13] <KeeperoftheKeys> ok will try that, don't feel like fighting more with the installer now like I did with my Debian install the other day
[11:28] <flaf> dbungert: I have filed the "bug" as you wanted (maybe it's not a bug). Here is the link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1956452. Bye. :)


[00:14] <apw> kees, can you point me at the bug and patch so we can look it over
[00:17] <kees> apw: bug> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16294 patch> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-July/011457.html
[00:17] <ubot2> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 16294 in Video(DRI - Intel) "[Q35 bisected] hang at init of i915 driver" [High,New]
[00:35] <kees> what does this mean in /proc/cpuinfo ?
[00:35] <kees> address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
[00:43] <warewolf> jk-: any bright ideas on getting my t91mt touchscreen working?
[05:10] <dandel> apw and ogasawara can ya confirm this bug (it's about the ubuntu 10.04 configuration and the newest kernel releases, along with a fix) https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16325
[05:10] <ubot2> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 16325 in Input Devices "i8042 input regression" [High,New]
[05:21] <bullgard_> What does the verb "to checkpoint to" mean? As in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32/drivers/platform/x86/thinkpad_acpi.c
[05:30] <jk-> bullgard_: 'save', i guess
[05:31] <dandel> bullgard_, another guess would be the intended destination.
[05:49] <bullgard_> jk-: I will accept your proposal as a working hypothesis.  --  Thank you for your help.
[05:50] <bullgard_> dandel: I did ask for the meaning of a verb. I know the meaning of the noun "checkpoint" in programming.
[07:20] <cooloney|dell> ls
[08:18] <amitk> make nconfig feels a lot nicer than make menuconfig
[08:44] <smb> cking, \o
[08:44]  * apw yawns
[08:44]  * abogani waves
[08:45]  * cking yawns, i was coding at 5.30am
[08:45]  * smb waves back in generic directions
[08:45] <Daviey> Gooooooood morning kernel team!
[08:45] <apw> cking, bad cking
[08:45]  * apw waves
[08:46] <smb> Daviey, Just replied to your request. Its upstream now, though in two parts. But I have split the patch in your name
[08:46] <Daviey> The kernel patch mentioned in: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-July/011460.html has now been applied to linus' 2.6 tree.. Does this change anything that i should be doing?
[08:46] <Daviey> smb, heh
[08:46] <smb> Daviey, Only nearly beat you to it. :)
[08:47] <Daviey> smb, Thanks.. appreciated your work on this
[08:57] <RAOF> Good morning smb, apw :)
[08:57] <smb> RAOF, morining
[09:28] <amitk> apw: could you remove me as admin of kernel-team ML? I seem to have misplaced the password to do it myself.
[09:28] <apw> amitk, i may be able to
[09:32]  * apw waves to lag-mobile
[09:33] <amitk> apw: thanks
[09:44] <apw> amitk, ok i think you should no longer get spammed by the list
[10:05] <amitk> super
[10:05] <kraut> moin
[10:52] <ogra> hmm, no lag and no mpoirier yet
[10:53] <smb> ogra, lag has network issues
[10:53] <ogra> ah
[10:53]  * ogra has kernel issues :P
[10:53] <smb> We are the team with a kernel problem. :-P
[10:54] <ogra> well, it pays off, doesnt it ?
[10:54] <smb> Literally. :)
[10:54] <ogra> heh
[10:58] <ogra> argh !
[10:58] <ogra> why is the omap4 metapackage named linux-*ti*-omap4
[10:58]  * ogra sighs
[11:03]  * ogra guesses he has to wait until tgardner gets up for that to be fixed :/
[11:14] <apw> ogra, wassup?
[11:16]  * apw pokes ogra
[11:16] <ogra> apw, well, a) the package doesnt follow the general naming scheme we have
[11:16] <ogra> and b) a 2.6.35 meta package depends on a 2.6.34 image
[11:17] <ogra> see #ubuntu-devel
[11:32] <ogra> lag_, so you are back and stable ?
[11:32] <ogra> lag_, we found i little prob with the omap3 kernel yesterday, seems the NAND driver vanished between lucid and maverick
[11:39] <lag_> ogra: No, I am using my mobile phone ... Eeek!
[11:39] <ogra> ouch
[11:39] <lag_> ogra: I can't help you with NAND - BBXM doesn't have any
[11:40] <ogra> you dont have the C4 ? gah, i always forget who has what
[11:40] <ogra> i'll wait for mpoirier
[11:40] <ogra> i suspect its just a config skew
[11:43] <lag_> ogra: No problem - sorry I couldn't help
[12:59] <amitk> ericm|ubuntu: dude!
[13:00] <yao> amitk: I am here, :)
[13:01] <amitk> ericm|ubuntu: I'd like you to introduce you to yao who works for CodeSorcery and is based in Beijing
[13:03] <amitk> er, CodeSourcery
[13:11] <ams_cs> sorcery and sourcery are not entirely overlapping fields ...
[13:16]  * apw waves to yao
[13:17] <yao> apw: hello,
[13:17] <apw> welcome to our little club :)
[13:18] <yao> apw: thanks, my pleasure...
[13:19] <amitk> ams_cs: IMO sourcery and sorcery is one and the same for you compiler writers :-p
[13:19] <apw> anything which takes longer to build than the kernel is a black art by definition
[13:21] <ams_cs> apw: black art doesn't need compiling - that's done in assembler
[13:21] <apw> so very true
[13:35]  * lag_ has his internet-net in tow and it going to bag some cloud (going to buy an internet dongle)
[13:40] <apw> lag_, lag just reappeared
[13:43] <lag_> =:-0]
[13:43] <lag_> But I have my internet-net ready and everything!
[13:43]  * lag_ takes his jeans off and puts back on his 'comfy pants'
[13:44] <cking> too much detail
[13:44] <lag_> I was just uploading pictures to Photobucket - you don't want the link?
[13:47] <apw> *slap*
[13:48] <apw> lag_, you sound like you are under water
[13:48]  * cking has all sorts of issues with maverick - wifi not working, X chewing up CPU, machine running at 85 degrees C
[13:48] <apw> cking, is that a real maverick install or just the kernel ?
[13:49] <cking> just done a full upgrade and regrettingit
[13:49] <lag_> apw: Yeah, I think the internet is still not quite right
[13:49] <lag_> But at least it's up
[13:49] <apw> yeah i expect they have some damn string papered over the crack
[13:50] <lag_> And not wet it yet?
[13:50] <apw> right, they always forget to spit on it
[13:50] <tgardner> but it'll short out if it gets wet
[13:50] <lag_> Yum
[13:51] <apw> tgardner, yeah but its pretty while its working :)
[13:52] <tgardner> cking, there is no going back. now you have to fix it :)
[13:52] <cking> hrm, when I stop moving the cursor it vanishes
[13:53] <cking> urgh
[13:53] <tgardner> cking, thats the new surprise feature. its always a surprise when it reappears
[13:53] <cking> very amusing
[14:01] <tseliot> cking: that's "unclutter"
[14:01] <tseliot> the name of the program which does that, that is..
[14:03] <cking> that's an intentional feature?
[14:07] <ericm|ubuntu> yao, hi - nice to meet you
[14:08] <yao> ericm|ubuntu: me too, good evening, :)
[14:08] <ericm|ubuntu> yao, so you are the 2nd employee here in China of CodeSourcery?
[14:08] <ericm|ubuntu> yao, did you ever meet Jie?
[14:08] <yao> ericm|ubuntu: right, jie si the first one,
[14:09] <yao> ericm|ubuntu: nope, :(
[14:09] <ericm|ubuntu> yao, cool - guess we will find chances to meet together
[14:09] <yao> ericm|ubuntu: Yes, we should,
[14:10] <ericm|ubuntu> yao, so are you working on CS toolchain?
[14:10] <yao> ericm|ubuntu: I see your photo in linaro wiki yesterday,
[14:10] <yao> ericm|ubuntu: yes,
[14:11] <ericm|ubuntu> yao, cool - now I know who to harass should there be issues in toolchain ;-)
[14:12] <yao> ericm|ubuntu: oh, absolutely,
[15:07]  * cking may go offline, CPU is at 85 degrees and I'm not happy about it overheating
[15:08] <smb> Neither the CPU I guess
[15:08] <cking> heh
[15:08] <cking> it's smokin'
[15:14] <komputes> I'm looking at Bugs #561926, #425264 & #550401 concerning Thinkpad X31 suspend/resume issues. Would anyone in #ubuntu-kernel be able to offer a fix for this issue?
[15:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 561926 in linux (Ubuntu) "Thinkpad X31 fails to resume after suspend (affects: 6) (heat: 62)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561926
[15:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 425264 in linux (Ubuntu) "[IBM 2673PXG] Thinkpad X31 suspend/resume failure (affects: 6) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/425264
[15:15] <cking> that's better
[15:19] <tgardner> komputes, I think there are some patches coming via stable updates in Lucid that might help this. You could have them try the Lucid kernel in http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/pre-proposed/ubuntu (if it ever builds)
[15:21] <komputes> tgardner: thanks tim, so this is something that will be included in maverick kernels
[15:21] <tgardner> komputes, yep
[15:21] <komputes> tgardner: sweet, thanks
[15:32] <cking> Hrm, Lenovo "Rest in Peace". It's dead jim
[15:36] <tgardner> cking, did you manage to let the smoke out of your Lenovo?
[15:36] <cking> it's not a happy bunny
[15:36] <cking> normally the thermal trip kills it at 80 degrees C, it got to 95 and it's not happy
[15:37] <cking> ho hum
[15:37] <smb> Time for the fridge?
[15:37] <cking> time to get reserve H/W out of the box
[15:39] <cking> df
[15:45] <cking> heh, plenty of H/W to chose from
[15:47] <apw> cking, testing your machines to destruction again?
[15:48] <cking> not by choice
[15:48] <cking> I think my lenovo's days are looking numbered
[15:48] <apw> was that running maverick ?
[15:48] <cking> yes, for about 10 mins
[15:49] <cking> cooked it
[15:49] <cking> X was maxing out one CPU
[15:49] <apw> not had any issues with stuff running maverick kernels overheating ...
[15:49] <komputes> cking: my friends laptop runs at ~100c and HP says it's "normal"
[15:49] <apw> hp is full of doo-doo if they think anything will live long at 100c
[15:50] <cking> komputes, my lenovo usually hits thermal trip at 80
[15:50] <komputes> agreed
[15:50] <cking> I don't want a machine that can boil water
[15:50] <cking> ;-)
[15:50]  * cking will get the screwdriver out over the weekend and poke around
[15:52] <johanbr> my last HP laptop had some weird multi-threaded ACPI setup, and it took a while before a kernel came out that could understand that
[15:53] <johanbr> I smelled really hot metal once, and I think it got to 105 degrees before it shut itself down. It still runs, though.
[15:53] <cking> it's when one sees blue puffs of smoke you know you are in trouble
[15:55] <apw> bonkers ... how can that heat hope to stay away from ones groin ... scorching
[15:56] <cking> it's a laptop not a nut cooker
[15:57] <apw> cking, :)
[16:05] <ogra> apw, hmm, seems we still get a linux-ti-omap4 binary ... http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/l/linux-meta-ti-omap4/
[16:07] <tgardner> ogra, the source package is still names ti-omap4, but the binaries it produces should be just -omap4. I don't see any incorrect 901.2 packages yet 'cause I think its still pending a build.
[16:08] <apw> ogra, none of the binary packages have even been NEWd so the ones there are likely old
[16:08] <cking> pgraner, ping
[16:08] <ogra> apw, oh, indeed, i'm confused because the former ones also ended up in universe
[16:08] <lag_> tgardner: What's the difference between doing "git diff HEAD..FETCH_HEAD" and "git diff HEAD FETCH_HEAD"?
[16:08] <apw> ogra, indeed only the source is in there, the binaries are not there at all
[16:08] <ogra> i was just reacting on the new dir that showed up suddenlx
[16:09] <apw> lag_, i would expect them to be identicle
[16:09] <ogra> tgardner, the build finished a while ago
[16:09] <lag_> What's the .. all about then?
[16:09] <ogra> tgardner, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-ti-omap4/<IP_ADDRESS>1.2/+build/1850527
[16:09] <cking> it works like a set operator
[16:09] <tgardner> ogra, oh. I would have expected the binary packages to end up in main
[16:09] <apw> lag_, the <x> <y> and <x>..<y> forms are synonymous
[16:10] <ogra> sorry for the confusion, there is indeed a linux-omap4
[16:10] <ogra> tgardner, that needs some admin fiddling for new packages
[16:10] <ogra> tgardner, but its all sorted
[16:10] <lag_> kk - thanks
[16:10] <apw> ogra, the binaries should end up in the source packages directory right?  and that has ti- in it still as its the branch name which is not changes
[16:11] <apw> lag_, the first form is the original form, the second is there as that has become the common form for other commands, and it allows understanding of the <x>...<y> form as well
[16:11] <ogra> apw, right, NEW is the issue here
[16:11] <apw> ogra, indeed, and they are new packages cause they changed names, so all is as expected
[16:12] <ogra> yep
[16:12] <ogra> confusion was on my side
[16:12] <ogra> my brain is fighting the heatwave here
[16:22] <pgraner> cking: pong
[16:34] <cking> pgraner, earl send me a couple of laptops but they are stuck in customs - I got a demand for £143.09 to pay the tax and release them
[16:35] <cking> do I pay this and we extract the expense from earl later or what?
[17:30] <m4tr1x> hi
[17:31] <m4tr1x> what's the correct way to commit a kernel patch to ubuntu?
[17:34] <apw> m4tr1x, normally we look at patches sent tot he kernel-team email list, details can be found in the FAQ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ#Can I get a patch included in the Ubuntu Kernel?
[17:35] <m4tr1x> ok
[17:35] <dandel> apw, make-kpkg has a few problems on ubuntu 10.04 and making sure the i8042 driver is built into the kernel in the latest torvalds git repo.
[17:35] <m4tr1x> thanks
[17:35] <m4tr1x> i fix the problem with marvel 9123 sata3 controller
[17:36] <apw> m4tr1x, sounds excellent, thanks for looking at it ...  is there a bug report open for that ?
[17:36] <m4tr1x> i think yes
[17:37] <apw> dandel, yeah not many of the kernel team use the make-kpkg so i can believe it could have bit-rotted for our use
[17:37] <apw> dandel, whats the problem with i8042 ?
[17:37] <dandel> latest kernel git doesn't include it at all.
[17:37] <dandel> however, i tested against 2.6.35rc1, 2.6.35rc2 and so forth
[17:37] <apw> dandel, ??
[17:38] <dandel>  it's not built at all
[17:38] <dandel> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16325 (i made a kernel report about it)
[17:38] <apw> for maverick kernels or for the mainline kerenls
[17:38] <ubot2> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 16325 in Input Devices "i8042 input regression" [High,New]
[17:38] <dandel> mainline
[17:38] <dandel> i used make-kpkg to make it easier to clean up after each bisect (but it took an insane time to build)
[17:39] <m4tr1x> apw, https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14543
[17:39] <ubot2> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 14543 in Serial ATA "AHCI SATA: hard link reset on controller power management change" [Normal,New]
[17:39] <m4tr1x> :D
[17:39] <apw> m4tr1x, sounds bad ... thanks
[17:39] <dandel> i already identified the patch which is causing the chaos though: namely commit: 0b28bac5aef7bd1ab213723df031e61db9ff151a
[17:39] <apw> make sure you mention that in the bug report
[17:40] <apw> dandel, i wonder why our maverick kernels are not affected
[17:40] <apw> being 35-rc3 based
[17:40] <dandel> anyways, how do i get make-kpkg to let me customize the config params then.
[17:40] <m4tr1x> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/539467
[17:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 539467 in pm-utils-powersave-policy (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 4 other projects) "SATA link power management causes disk errors and corruption (affects: 19) (heat: 139)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[17:41] <apw> dandel, if i am fair i never have used it
[17:41] <apw> dandel, i use the normal build system as i care if that works for my uploads
[17:42] <dandel> either way, the patch changes the default setup by explicitly disabling i8042 input driver whenever the X86_MRST flag is set
[17:43] <apw> dandel, we have _MRST turned on
[17:43] <apw> debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu:CONFIG_X86_MRST=y
[17:43] <apw> debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu:CONFIG_SERIO_I8042=y
[17:43] <apw> and seem to have 8042 enabled too ?
[17:44] <dandel> yes, and i8042 is required for the test machine.
[17:44] <dandel> without it, i have no mouse and keyboard
[17:44] <apw> right, but i have both turned on in a 35-rc3 kernel there i believe
[17:44] <dandel> it's post -rc3 commit.
[17:45] <apw> dandel, ahh ok, so we are about to get mooshed by it ... hrm
[17:45] <apw> do yo have a fix, or just the offending commit ?
[17:46] <dandel> no fix, just unroll the offending commit
[17:46] <dandel> i'm trying to find the i8042 driver in the config file of default kernel t ho
[17:47] <apw> dandel, i thought this was familar
[17:48] <apw> we hit the bug he is tryign to fix, namely that the serial must be =y if atkbd=y
[17:48] <dandel> and i'm not able to find the i8042 driver in the input devices on the latest config.
[17:48] <apw> but we fixed the config, but his change seems wrong
[17:49] <dandel> i'm expecting it to be under device drivers -> input device support -> keyboards (at keyboard has a star)
[17:50] <mjg59> You can;t modify the i8042 settings unless CONFIG_EMBEDDED is on, IIRC
[17:50] <dandel> however, i8042 is missing.
[17:50] <apw> yep, and its not allowed to be if the other one is on under the new
[17:50] <apw> config as he did it
[17:51] <dandel> either way, it's best to know of the bug and squash it before you get the whack from it.
[17:51] <apw> yep, thats just plain the wrong change as far as i can see
[17:51] <apw> did you only report it in the bugzilla or also email randy ?
[17:51] <dandel> bugzilla only
[17:51] <dandel> either way it's a high priority bugfix.
[17:52] <apw> be best to email him direct and CC: lkml and mention the issue, feel free to copy our team list too
[17:52] <mjg59> It's been discussed upstream already
[17:52] <apw> mjg59, ahh ok
[17:52] <mjg59> And a patchset to replace it with a boot-time check has been psoted
[17:52] <apw> ok so hopefully we can suck that up instead
[17:53] <dandel> the if statements that that guy setup explicitly makes it impossible to even set that as a loadable driver also.
[17:53] <apw> mjg59, i won't ask how you can keep abreast of the whole of lkml
[17:53] <apw> dandel, yeah we need to find the upstream discussion
[17:53] <dandel> apw, where's the conig option for embedded at?
[17:54] <apw> dandel, i normally just edit the configs with VI
[17:54] <dandel> oh and sad part, the patch is from oracle ><;
[17:55] <dandel> the fix for that should have been in code, not kconfig.
[17:55] <apw> dandel, heh its easy to say once you have messed up everyones machines :)
[17:56] <apw> dandel, randy suggests reverting that patch regardless of whether they ahve a fix
[17:56] <apw> so i suspect they will at least do that for -rc4
[17:57] <dandel> that will be good, anyways, i think that the i8042 chips are super common for laptops.
[18:00] <apw> dandal thanks for bringing it to our attention :)
[18:00] <dandel> found the thread and post.
[18:00] <dandel> jun 9th is when the patch hit the mailing list.
[18:00] <apw> yeah that looks like a foundation for a solution
[18:01] <smb> Actually the i8042 is super common for all intel based machines I know of
[18:03] <dandel> apw, also, this bug report is now fixed (just waiting for the patch to make it into mainline) https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14736
[18:03] <ubot2> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 14736 in Config-Interrupts "Toshiba P305D unhandled ACPI Interrupt" [Normal,Resolved: code_fix]
[18:04] <dandel> as of 35-rc1 the suspend is working nicely (except for memory corruption errors on suspend/resume that is caused by radeon kms)
[18:04] <apw> joy for bad biosen
[18:05] <dandel> yea, it's a pheonix bios
[18:43] <kees> smb: for CVE-2010-1643 you have upstream marked as not-affected.  should that be "released" instead?  (there an upstream patch)
[18:44] <ubot2> kees: mm/shmem.c in the Linux kernel before 2.6.28-rc3, when strict overcommit is enabled, does not properly handle the export of shmemfs objects by knfsd, which allows attackers to cause a denial of service (NULL pointer dereference and knfsd crash) or possibly have unspecified other impact via unknown vectors. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-1643)
[18:44] <kees> *there's
[18:44] <smb> I guess that would be better. I usually tried to mark it as released
[18:44] <smb> kees, Sorry if that one went wrong
[18:44] <kees> smb: yeah, everything else looks great.
[18:45] <kees> smb: oh, no worries at all.  all the rest are fantastic.  :)
[18:46]  * kees loves  "git tag --contains SHA1"
[18:46] <smb> kees, Yeah. Hm, I am a bit confused atm. Give me a sec I have the feeling I did not work on that
[18:47] <kees> smb: well, that upstream commit shows up in 2.6.28, so the rest of the triage on that CVE looks accurate.
[18:49] <smb> kees, Something strange. I cannot find the update to that in the cve tracker
[18:49] <smb> out branch
[18:49] <kees> ?
[18:49] <smb> Oh
[18:50] <smb> I realize
[18:50] <smb> Sorry
[18:50] <smb> That one I did a few days ago
[18:50] <smb> So its just not in the right sequence
[18:51] <smb> kees, Its the one that is for some reason related to the 2008-... one
[18:51] <smb> kees, That would also explain why I did things differently then. :-P
[18:52] <kees> heh
[19:04] <sconklin> I'm uploading a test build
[19:05]  * tgardner lunches
[19:11] <sconklin> yes
[22:01]  * manjo out early
[22:23] <simar> Please help me triaging the bug 566543. In this the synaptics module is not loaded after the kernel upgrade for ALPS touchpad. Wheather the support has finished or is it a new bug ???
[22:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 566543 in snort (Ubuntu) "RFE: Support for variables like $eth0_ADDRESS in debconf script (affects: 1) (heat: 52)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566543
[22:24] <simar> Please help me triaging the bug 565543. In this the synaptics module is not loaded after the kernel upgrade for ALPS touchpad. Wheather the support has finished or is it a new bug ???
[22:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 565543 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "horizontal scrollbar does not work in VAIO VPCEB15EL touchpad. (affects: 9) (heat: 54)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565543
[22:24] <simar> Sorry for the wrong bug no above...
[23:44] <warewolf> argh
[23:44] <warewolf> anyone here willing to help me figure out why my touchscreen won't work?
[23:44] <jono> hey all
[23:44] <jono> I need to get the digital in on a M-Audio Fast Track working and I saw http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/M-Audio_FastTrack_Pro
[23:44] <warewolf> jk- was helping before, but no matter what I do the hid-mosart driver doesn't "attach" to the device.
[23:44] <jono> I am not entirely sure what I need to do, can someone help?
[23:45] <jono> it seems it is possible to turn it on if you pass args to the module
[23:45] <jono> but I am not sure what to pass and whether the Lucid kernel includes the driver