[00:07] <TheMuso`> @pilot in
[00:16] <jtaylor> TheMuso`: as you are piloting, you may want to look at simplejson in trusty, its empty which likely to cause other fallout failures
[00:16] <jtaylor> if rsalveti is not already on it
[00:16] <rsalveti> jtaylor: no, and indeed, that would be helpful
[00:17] <jtaylor> < off to bed
[00:17] <rsalveti> issue started to happen when the new version was merged from debian, as it now uses dh-python
[00:17] <TheMuso`> Its not in the queue, so what exactly is the problem, is there a bug report?
[00:17] <rsalveti> didn't investigate it further
[00:17] <StevenK> wgrant: ^
[00:17] <rsalveti> TheMuso`: nops, just noticed because it crashed for me
[00:17] <rsalveti> when using a personal lp script
[00:17] <StevenK> wgrant: That could be your simplejson issue ...
[00:17] <rsalveti> the package is empty :-)
[00:18] <TheMuso`> Oh ok.
[00:18] <TheMuso`> If nobody else is looking at it, I'll get right on it.
[00:18] <rsalveti> awesome, thanks
[00:19] <TheMuso`> Maybe something we need to add to auto pkg testing...
[00:20] <TheMuso`> Hrm, seems Barry may have beaten me to it.
[00:20] <TheMuso`> What version do you guys have?
[00:20] <stgraber> nope, barry's upload is the broken one
[00:20] <TheMuso`> Latest in LP is 3.3.1-1ubuntu2
[00:20] <TheMuso`> Oh ok.
[00:20] <stgraber> look at the content of python3-simplejson
[00:20] <stgraber> it's empty
[00:20] <stgraber> (as in, valid package but only a changelog.gz file)
[00:21] <TheMuso`> Yup, just wasn't sure if the merge upload was the broken one.
[00:21] <wgrant> StevenK: Yeah, I just downgraded.
[00:45] <TheMuso`> Ok, fix uploaded, relatively simple in the end, give it an houro ro so I guess.
[04:02] <TheMuso`> @pilot out
[05:38] <sarnold> brainwash: jfyi: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2013/11/15/2
[06:16] <pitti> Good morning
[06:23] <pitti> bdmurray: thanks!
[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[09:23] <cjwatson> slacker_nl: openssl> doesn't seem so - must've been overlooked
[09:24] <cjwatson> brainwash: well, it's fixed in trusty now.  I don't know if the security team consider it worth stable updates, you'd have to ask them (maybe sarnold since he was interested)
[09:24] <cjwatson> slacker_nl: sorry, I meant slangasek
[09:25] <cjwatson> brainwash: Ah, looks like sarnold is taking care of it
[09:43] <JackYu> cjwatson, you are so busy:)
[09:54] <doko> seb128, empathy ftbfs in -proposed
[09:55] <seb128> doko, I know, I've no clue why though, if you have help is welcome
[09:55] <seb128> dpkg-shlibs is not happy but I'm not sure why
[09:56] <cjwatson> JackYu: yup ...
[09:56] <doko> stgraber, lintian fails tests in -proposed
[09:56] <seb128> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for debian/empathy/usr/lib/empathy/libempathy-3.8.5.so (used by debian/nautilus-sendto-empathy/usr/lib/nautilus-sendto/plugins/libnstempathy.so)
[09:56] <seb128> what does that mean?
[09:57] <Laney> seb128: Oh, I looked at that a little bit
[09:57] <Laney> If you remove -Xusr/lib/empathy/ from the dh_makeshlibs arguments it builds
[09:57] <Laney> sjoerd added that, maybe check with him
[09:57] <seb128> Laney, 3.8.4 builds fine and there is like no change between those versions
[09:57] <pitti> Laney: that sounds wrong, though; we don't want the symbols of private libraries be considered in shlibdeps/
[09:58] <Laney> I'm not proposing that as a fix.
[09:58] <pitti> although, if a different binary package actually uses that, I guess we do
[09:58] <Laney> But you need the dependency to be there somehow ...
[09:58] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/156496416/empathy_3.8.4-1ubuntu2_3.8.5-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[09:58] <seb128> do you see anything weird in that diff?
[09:59] <seb128> I even diffed the build log for both locally (with a sed 3.8.4->3.8.5)
[09:59] <seb128> there is no difference in the build/linking
[09:59] <seb128> I don't get it
[09:59] <pitti> seb128: so perhaps debhelper/dpkg got changed? does 3.8.4-1ubuntu2 still actually build?
[09:59] <seb128> pitti, yes, I built both on my trusty
[09:59] <Laney> I guess that's what dh_shlibdeps -Lempathy is trying to solve
[09:59] <seb128> 3.8.4 builds
[09:59] <seb128> 3.8.5 fails
[10:00] <geser> does somebody know why the gnome-keyring build in trusty got "cancelled"? the build logs look like a successful build
[10:00] <Laney> hung processes left over
[10:00] <Laney> s/hung//?
[10:00] <seb128> geser, the build was never finishing because the testsuit let a gnome-keyring-daemon process behind apparently
[10:01] <seb128> Laney, pitti: that's the diff of both builds here on trusty: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6420396/
[10:01] <seb128> Laney, pitti: I did a sed 's/3.8.4/3.8.5/g' to lower the diff
[10:02] <seb128> but you can see, strictly no change in the build/linker
[10:08] <pitti> -       $(top_srcdir)/m4/lt~obsolete.m4 $(top_srcdir)/configure.ac
[10:08] <pitti> +       $(top_srcdir)/configure.ac
[10:08] <pitti> the dropping of this lt~obsolete.m4 could be related?
[10:09] <pitti> I don't see any other change which could potentially do this
[10:18] <seb128> pitti, well, maybe that's what is creating the issue, but adding those back doesn't seem the right fix
[10:22] <seb128> Laney, pitti: doh, I fixed it
[10:23] <seb128> Laney, pitti: the package has a debian/shlibs.local with
[10:23] <seb128> libempathy-gtk 3.8.4 empathy (= ${binary:Version})
[10:23] <seb128> libempathy 3.8.4 empathy (= ${binary:Version})
[10:23] <seb128> you need to update the version there
[10:23] <pitti> ah
[10:23] <seb128> that's a stupid thing :/
[10:24] <Laney> haha
[10:26] <tseliot> pitti, seb128: do either of you have the time to approve the nvidia packages in trusty? bug #1250449
[10:29] <pitti> tseliot: I can have a look later (but we don't usually have bugs for NEW packages)
[10:30] <tseliot> pitti: right, maybe it's something we can reuse in the future? (to backport the packages to saucy or precise)
[10:30] <pitti> yes, for those you can add tasks
[10:31] <tseliot> that was the idea
[10:31] <tseliot> pitti: thanks
[10:32] <doko> TheMuso`, was it intended to go backwards with the dotconf soname bump?
[10:35] <infinity> doko: Looks like the actual SONAME changed from foo1.0.so.0 to just foo.so.0, so the package rename makes sense.
[10:38] <doko> zul, jamespage: please have a look at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html (msgpack-python)
[11:08] <doko> pitti, I see that postgresql-server-dev-9.3 wants to demote ...
[11:14] <doko> zul, jamespage: removing msgpack-python, python-msgpack provides it
[11:15] <lifeless> so something weird
[11:15] <lifeless> latest raring cloud image has /etc/systemd/system on it
[11:16] <lifeless> which has thrown off our code for detecting systemd vs upstart
[11:16] <ogra_> lifeless, looks like that came in with the enablement of syslog from systemd
[11:17] <xnox> lifeless: pitti did some work on correctly detecting: logind available vs systemd available vs either not available (as in at runtime, rather than install time)
[11:17] <ogra_> pitti, ^^
[11:17] <lifeless> pitti: what would you recommend as the way to check? Or is there a thing you've written we can query?
[11:18] <xnox> lifeless: going forward on debian sysv/systemd are co-installable, despite not actually running. Which is in part inherited by ubuntu (co-installation & config file cruft)
[11:18] <xnox> lifeless: i think one should be checking cgroups. and there is one for systemd and one for logind.
[11:18] <lifeless> xnox: yeah, we kinda need to figure out which to use, given directory tree on disk.
[11:19] <lifeless> xnox: vs a running system
[11:19] <lifeless> xnox: I should perhaps have asked this in #ubuntu-server :) - oops!
[11:19] <xnox> lifeless: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=66e411811b8090 seems relevant and does it via /run
[11:20] <slickymaster> good morning all
[11:21] <infinity> xnox: Hey, boost boy.  Want to tell me why this is FTBFS: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpwiz/3.0.4624-3ubuntu1/+build/5233964
[11:21] <xnox> lifeless: at the moment on ubuntu/debian one cannot co-install upstart with sysv/systemd. So the check for upstart can be: which initctl >/dev/null && initctl version | grep -q upstart
[11:22] <ogra_> lifeless, or check which package /sbin/init installed
[11:22] <pitti> lifeless, xnox: the recommended way to check for logind i access("/run/systemd/seats/", F_OK) and "systemd is pid 1" is existence of /run/systemd/system/
[11:23] <pitti> s/i/is/
[11:23] <xnox> infinity: something like https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-aarch64/+bug/1186352 ?
[11:23] <lifeless> pitti: thanks; if I have a chroot unpacked in front of me, which might be Fedora or Ubuntu, what would you do to check?
[11:23] <infinity> xnox: That could be it, yeahp.
[11:23] <pitti> lifeless: in a chroot there is no init nor logind..
[11:23] <infinity> xnox: I wonder if that's just cargo-culted from the glibc bits that do the same thing.
[11:24] <xnox> infinity: i wouldn't be surprised.
[11:24] <lifeless> pitti: bah, pedant :) - I'm tired and being imprecise. Unpacked cloud image.
[11:24] <xnox> infinity: boost, is kind of like nih++
[11:24] <pitti> lifeless: oh, you mean you construct a bootable system in a chroot and want to see which init is *going to be* booted?
[11:24] <lifeless> right
[11:24] <lifeless> we download the ubuntu cloud image
[11:24] <lifeless> or a fedora cloud image
[11:24] <lifeless> or $os
[11:25] <ogra_> lifeless,  if dpkg -S /sbin/init 2>/dev/null|grep -q upstart; then echo "running upstart"; else echo "no upstart"; fi
[11:25] <pitti> lifeless: well, if it's Fedora, it's systemd; if it's Ubuntu, it's upstart; if it's Debian, there's no way to know unless there is only upstart or systemd installed, but they might still run with sysv
[11:25] <lifeless> so far we've just checked the .../system dir in /etc as that was sufficient and reliable/
[11:25] <ogra_> (though that wont work on fedora indeed)
[11:25] <lifeless> ogra_: if which dpkg && ... :)
[11:25] <pitti> /etc/os-release should give you the distro
[11:26] <lifeless> pitti: and breaks on derivatives- I want to probe the feature, not the label - that scales much better.
[11:26] <pitti> lifeless: tricky; then I guess trying rpm -Q or dpkg -S on /sbin/init might still be the best bet
[11:27] <lifeless> kk
[11:27] <lifeless> thanks!
[11:27] <xnox> lifeless: ubuntu one will have /sbin/initctl, and fedora one will have /usr/bin/systemctl, on debian if there is no /sbin/initctl and there are /sbin/init and /sbin/systemd you can boot "debian" with either sysv or systemd.
[11:28] <xnox> pitti: on debian at the moment, upstart package conflicts with sysv-init. so if upstart is installed on debian, then it's upstart only.
[11:28] <pitti> xnox: ah, right
[11:30] <lifeless> xnox: brilliant, thanks heaps!
[12:24] <mardy> seb128: hi! Am I looking at the wrong place? I cannot find the most recent Ubuntu packaging for shotwell: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shotwell
[12:25] <seb128> mardy, the UDD importer is buggy on that source I guess
[12:26] <seb128> mardy, bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-desktop/shotwell/ubuntu; bzr bd-do
[12:26] <mardy> seb128: thanks!
[12:26] <seb128> yw
[13:56] <rbasak> I'm having difficulties with hwclock/system time being the epoch on a machine I'm working on with MAAS. Can I clarify my understanding of where the pieces fit, please, so that I can debug?
[13:57] <rbasak> The installer (d-i netinst) should NTP and set hwclock before booting into the system, right, assuming ntp.ubuntu.com was available at the time of install?
[13:58] <rbasak> And when booting into the system, hwclock(8) suggests to me that the kernel should copy the rtc time to the system time, so userspace doesn't need to run --systohc? Is this accurate? I can't find any reference to doing that on Saucy - just --systz.
[14:29] <xnox> rbasak: hm. we have two upstart jobs on ubuntu. one to load up hwclock time and one to save.
[14:29] <xnox> rbasak: at boot hwclock time is loaded, later ntp runs and ajusts time, at shutdown the time is saved back into hwclock.
[14:29] <rbasak> xnox: hwclock-save and hwclock, right?
[14:30] <rbasak> xnox: hwclock does: exec hwclock --systz $tz --noadjfile $badyear
[14:30] <xnox> rbasak: correct. hwclock at boot, hwclock-save at shutdown.
[14:30] <rbasak> xnox: so it seems that it doesn't load any more
[14:30] <rbasak> xnox: no --hctosys
[14:30] <rbasak> --systz is just for non-UTC RTC correction for dual boot with Windows, AFAICT from the man page
[14:30] <rbasak> So I _think_ responsibility has moved to the kernel
[14:31] <xnox> If you specify neither --utc nor --localtime, the default is which‐
[14:31] <xnox>               ever was specified the last time hwclock was used to set the  clock
[14:31] <xnox>               (i.e.   hwclock  was successfully run with the --set, --systohc, or
[14:31] <xnox>               --adjust options), as recorded in the adjtime file.  If the adjtime
[14:31] <xnox>               file doesn't exist, the default is UTC time.
[14:31] <xnox> ..
[14:31] <xnox> rbasak: we always run with one of --utc or --localtime.
[14:32] <xnox> rbasak: so we don't need hctosys.
[14:32] <rbasak> xnox: right, but that's not the issue here. My problem is that the system time is (sometimes) 1970.
[14:32] <xnox> unless i'm understanding this wrong.
[14:32] <infinity> xnox: Eh?
[14:32] <infinity> xnox: You need hctosys if the kernel isn't picking up the system time elsewise.
[14:32] <rbasak> infinity: is it a bug if the kernel doesn't pick up the system time?
[14:32] <infinity> xnox: --systz explicitly doesn't read the hardware clock.
[14:33] <rbasak> I'm not entirely sure what's going on, since I only get to examine the system after some time.
[14:33] <infinity> rbasak: In theory, the kernel should probably always have the right time these days.  In theory.  Where are you seeing it not?
[14:33] <rbasak> In my failure case, the hwclock is correct, but the system time is 1970.
[14:33] <rbasak> I've also had another failure case the other way round, though.
[14:33] <rbasak> infinity: midway.
[14:33] <infinity> midway has a hwclock that works?
[14:33] <rbasak> So I think a kernel bug is not out of the question.
[14:34] <infinity> highbank didn't.  This is progress.
[14:34] <rbasak> Oh, really?
[14:34] <rbasak> I thought it worked.
[14:34] <rbasak> Perhaps that's my problem.
[14:34] <infinity> highbank doesn't have a battery-backed RTC at all, so how it could have a correct time unless it had been set by a system already is a mystery.  I didn't think midway was different, but maybe.
[14:35] <rbasak> Define "battery-backed". I think it retains it as long as the chassis is powered, even if a node "isn't".
[14:35] <rbasak> (ie. as long as the BMC is powered I think that means)
[14:35] <xnox> rbasak: and you don't have working ntp?
[14:35] <infinity> Except that BMCs randomly cut/blip power occasionally. ;)
[14:35] <infinity> And I'm not even sure your assertion is true.
[14:36] <rbasak> xnox: the lab it's in doesn't appear to have correctly functioning ntp (firewalled off). However, the default gateway does appear to have an ntp service. So I'm trying to use that.
[14:36] <infinity> Anyhow, if you're seeing a correct time in the hwclock, then this tangent in the conversation is pointless.
[14:36] <infinity> And it's possible the rtc driver just sucks (or doesn't exist) for that platform.
[14:36] <infinity> Which would be a "bug robher" thing.
[14:36] <rbasak> infinity: not necessarily! I have cases where hwclock is wrong, too. So I'm trying to understand the whole picture so I can maybe come up with a plausible root cause.
[14:37] <infinity> rbasak: From my experience with highbank, I'd say that relying on the hwclock at all is just wrong.
[14:37] <infinity> rbasak: But robher would know more about if midway is better somehow, and if it has a functional rtc driver.
[14:38] <rbasak> infinity: juju agents fail if the system clock is wrong.
[14:38] <rbasak> infinity: so somewhere between MAAS handing off to juju, the clock needs to be fixed.
[14:38] <infinity> rbasak: And do we expect to run juju/maas in an environment where we can't sync clocks sanely?
[14:38] <rbasak> It's fine to require that we can sync clocks. The question is: where?
[14:38] <rbasak> On every boot, with ntpdate?
[14:38] <infinity> This is a solved problem in the UNIX world for, well, decades.  We can't run NFS without NTP either, why would we do anything else without it? :P
[14:40] <xnox> rbasak: i thought maas server starts ntp, and all nodes that it brings up should be using ntp time from maas server. such that all of them talk the same time.
[14:40]  * xnox recalls reading something about maas/ntp bug or some such..
[14:40] <rbasak> xnox: nope. But perhaps we should add that.
[14:40] <stgraber> doko: I know and I have no idea why
[14:40] <rbasak> xnox: OTOH, it would be nice if I could just configure MAAS with the address of a working ntp server
[14:40] <xnox> rbasak: if it doesn't, and network doesn't have NTP, it's doomed =)
[14:40] <rbasak> xnox: you may be thinking of the MAAS datasource clock skew issue. That part is working fine.
[14:41] <xnox> rbasak: so broadcast / advertise NTP?
[14:41] <rbasak> xnox: that's fine. We can do that. At which stage should a node be picking it up?
[14:41]  * xnox thought that should be working, unless we hardcode to ntp.ubuntu.com and somesuch.
[14:42] <infinity> Do what I do, highjack DNS for ntp.ubuntu.com, so you don't have to change any default configs.
[14:42] <infinity> (Don't do what I do)
[14:42] <infinity> (Please)
[14:42] <xnox> rbasak: it should be advertised on the network at all times & maas server should have synced from it, such that nodes are installed with ntp running already.
[14:42] <rbasak> Haha. I'm perfectly placed to do that right now. Already serving a maas. domain to make juju go in this lab environment.
[14:43] <rbasak> xnox: that's not enough.  It assumes that the system time is already reasonable.
[14:44] <rbasak> xnox: we need to make the system time reasonable on the node at some point. I'm fine with doing that, but currently I don't believe there's a mechanism for that. I'm asking *at what point* should such a mechanism be put in? Every boot? Custom upstart job injected by MAAS? Etc.
[14:44] <barry> rbasak: panic 0
[14:44] <rbasak> In the meantime, I'm trying to do it with a MAAS commissioning script, which MAAS can arrange to run before d-i netinst runs.
[14:45] <xnox> cjwatson: does d-i have NTP support / ovverride hwclock time, with NTP one?
[14:45] <rbasak> barry: I'm fine with that too, if that's OK with everyone concerned. But we still need MAAS to arrange for ntp.conf to be changed, in that case.
[14:45] <rbasak> xnox: that would be great, with a preseed. Unless the hwclock won't be maintained between d-i and the booted system, which AIUI infinity suspects is not.
[14:46] <infinity> rbasak: ntpdate is run by an ifupdown snippet every time an interface comes up, if it's installed.
[14:46] <xnox> rbasak: right. and we do have ntpdate running by default everywhere. I guess you just need to tweak it to force update time (if it's too far out)
[14:46] <rbasak> infinity: oh, so it is!
[14:48] <infinity> rbasak: Which is why I say I hijack ntp.ubuntu.com, because that's the default in /etc/default/ntpdate and I don't let that resolve outside one of my draconian networks.
[14:48]  * rbasak wonders if he can preseed that
[14:48] <rbasak> # Not used if NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF is yes.
[14:48] <rbasak> NTPSERVERS="ntp.ubuntu.com"
[14:49] <rbasak> NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF=yes
[14:49] <rbasak> ntp.conf has ntp.ubuntu.com, but also ....ubuntu.pool.ntp.org.
[14:49] <infinity> Note that NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF=yes has no effect if you have no ntp.conf
[14:49] <infinity> But I guess you do.
[14:50] <rbasak> So it seems that my issues are entirely due to my NTP-firewalled lab environment? Great.
[14:55] <rbasak> It looks like /usr/sbin/ntpdate-debian will use /var/lib/ntp/ntp.conf.dhcp in preference to /etc/ntp.conf. If that means that I can specify NTP via DHCP then perhaps I can fix the lab at once and everything will magically work.
[14:58]  * rbasak disappears for a while
[15:01] <cjwatson> xnox: It has some in clock-setup, don't remember the exact details
[15:19] <barry> doko: bs4 uploaded w/o pypy.  i suspect we're fighting a losing battle over time though and might be better served in the long run by mir'ing pypy
[15:20] <yolanda> hi, any clue about this error? configure.ac:66: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE
[15:20] <yolanda> i googled it, it says that i check about pkg-config, autotools, etc... but i have everything installed
[15:29] <tumbleweed> barry: don't scare me
[15:29] <cjwatson> yolanda: I suggest putting the source package somewhere for people to look at
[15:30] <yolanda> cjwatson, happens to me with couchdb, when i just added a -- with autoreconf in rules
[15:30] <yolanda> i added dh-autoreconf bd in debian/control
[15:30] <yolanda> do you want me to push to chinstrap?
[15:33] <barry> tumbleweed: is that better than essentially disabling all *-pypy binary packages that trigger mirs?  it's Something We Should Discuss
[15:34] <tumbleweed> barry: yeah, that's reasonable. I'm slightly scared about promising any support for pypy, though. Upstream is entirely uninterested in old releases
[15:35] <barry> tumbleweed: yeah, there is that
[15:35]  * barry might start a mlist thread
[15:36] <arun> Excuse me guys, I wanted to talk with some devs , please if you are here, please help me what I need to do (steps)
[15:43] <cjwatson> yolanda: The line number is misleading; if you look at the generated configure after that failure, you find that it's inside an AX_LIB_CURL call, so the problem is that whatever should provide the AX_LIB_CURL macro isn't installed
[15:46] <yolanda> cjwatson, i'm looking at 1.4.0-0buntu1 version, line number looks ok: AC_DEFINE([HAVE_BUILTIN_EXPECT], [1],
[15:47] <yolanda> problem seems to come from the ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS= -I m4, removing that solves the issue, but not sure if that's good idea or if there is some other way to solve it
[15:49] <yolanda> cjwatson, mm, removing that breaks build anyway, so do you want me to push to chinstrap so you take a look?
[15:49] <yolanda> i need to run autoreconf because i need to inject a new DISTRIBUTION var into Makefile, to display Ubuntu distribution
[15:52] <cjwatson> yolanda: The line number is misleading, as I said.  It has AC_DEFINE on that line, yes, but that's not actually what's failing.
[15:52] <cjwatson> yolanda: You could build-depend on autoconf-archive, or you could copy the AX_LIB_CURL macro out of autoconf-archive into acinclude.m4 in a patch.
[15:52] <yolanda> cjwatson, thx
[15:52] <yolanda> i'll try it
[15:52] <cjwatson> -I m4 isn't relevant
[15:53] <cjwatson> And removing that is very probably a bad idea
[16:02] <yolanda> cjwatson, sure, just googling at the cause and trying different things. But your suggestion works for sure, i added autoconf-archive as build-depends and now builds fine
[16:03] <cjwatson> Great
[16:04] <cjwatson> It's a pretty generic failure so googling is probably unhelpful in this case - it'll lead you down a bunch of different paths which don't necessarily apply :)
[16:06] <yolanda> cjwatson, yes, mostly they were suggesting to add dependencies that i already had, but I was unable to see the root of the problem
[16:07] <cjwatson> Looking for the offending unexpanded macro in the generated configure script is the best way to debug this kind of thing
[16:07] <yolanda> cjwatson, nice to learn more about that
[16:45] <Laney> mdeslaur: hey, have you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcommons-fileupload-java/+bug/1251340 ?
[16:46] <mdeslaur> Laney: no, I had not, thankt
[16:46] <mdeslaur> thanks
[16:46] <Laney> np
[16:47] <caribou> is there an easy way to have sbuild know how to fullfill a dependancy from a PPA ?
[16:49] <roadmr> caribou: I usually schroot into the source image and add the ppa manually, may not be the easiest or more automated way but it works
[16:50] <caribou> roadmr: that was my first idea
[16:50] <caribou> roadmr: I'll do that, I don't need much automation in that context
[16:51] <caribou> roadmr: thanks
[16:52] <roadmr> caribou: no problem!
[17:44] <BenC> Anyone ever installed powerpc packages on x86? I've setup apt, and just want to install libncurses5-dev:powerpc, but it needs debconf:powerpc, which can't be satisfied
[17:44]  * BenC is unsure why libc6 needs debconf anyway
[18:00] <orbisvicis> where can I find more info on $(py_setup_install_args) ?
[18:09] <orbisvicis> (nevermind)
[18:24] <slangasek> BenC: libc6 needs debconf to ask about restarting services on upgrade... but debconf should be Multi-Arch: foreign (it has been everywhere for a long time), so the debconf you already have installed is supposed to do the job
[18:24] <infinity> slangasek: Ben and I got sorted in /msg
[18:25] <slangasek> infinity: hmph
[18:25] <infinity> (I didn't notice he'd asked here)
[18:25] <slangasek> ah :)
[18:43] <sarnold> bdmurray: do I recall that you're looking to aggregate many bugs of this sort? 1251537
[18:47] <bdmurray> sarnold: nope, that kind
[18:47] <bdmurray> er not that kind
[18:49] <sarnold> bdmurray: whooops then :) thanks
[18:54] <bdmurray> slangasek: I've also found many a VarLogDistUpgradeApttermlog.gz file with one of the following errors http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6422642/
[19:11] <BenC> slangasek: raring wasn't working properly, but saucy appears to be installing things
[19:11] <slangasek> interesting
[19:14] <slangasek> bdmurray: well, those are all dpkg database corruption
[19:15] <slangasek> bdmurray: so it probably points back to the same general lack of sensible error handling of dpkg --unpack failures
[19:15] <bdmurray> slangasek: those were independent of the --unpack failures
[19:16] <slangasek> ah
[19:16] <slangasek> bdmurray: did those errors immediately precede the "already configured" error, though?
[19:17] <BenC> slangasek: However, why can't I have gcc-powerpc-linux-gnu and gcc installed together?
[19:17] <slangasek> hum, I don't know the answer to that one :)
[19:17] <slangasek> in saucy?
[19:17] <BenC> Yeah
[19:17] <bdmurray> slangasek: in some cases I guess so
[19:18] <bdmurray> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:^M files list file for package 'linux-image-3.8.0-30-generic' is missing final newline^M
[19:18] <BenC> I may have some mixed raring/saucy packages, so let me clear that up first
[19:18] <bdmurray> dpkg: error processing apt (--configure):^M package apt is already installed and configured^M
[19:18] <slangasek> BenC: ok - fwiw it works for me in a saucy chroot; a mixed install might be failing because of mismatched version of gcc base packages
[21:16] <bdmurray> @pilot in
[22:13] <Noskcaj> mdeslaur, Is it worth merging ruby1.8?
[22:17] <Noskcaj> And to anyone with buildd powers, guava-libraries failed to upload
[22:40] <jtaylor> isn't ruby-1.8 being removed in debian?
[22:42] <jtaylor> there is a tracker, so probably makes sense to follow with it for trusty
[22:44] <Noskcaj> jtaylor, I think it is. The latest debian change just removes all the "provides", i'm not sure if it's worth the time to merge
[22:48] <Noskcaj> xnox, do you mind if i change vtk's depends from tiff to tiff5? It's causing other packages to ftbfs


[03:47] <[Relic]> what is the replacement for dolphin that can be run as root?
[11:12] <zxq9> Feeling out sentiment: In documentation to you prefer to see "Unix" or "unix"?
[11:34] <blalala> Hello everyone ^_^
[11:34] <blalala> I just installed kubuntu on my primary laptop.
[11:34] <blalala> Any startup tips?
[11:36] <blalala> Uh, Hello?
[11:36] <blalala> IS ANYONE ALIVE?
 yes, but eating sunday lunch :P
 try later if no-one else is about
[11:46] <zxq9> He took off straight away.  Is this problem likely to be solved in ver 17
[14:42] <D0U91E> still rocking with my bionic beta waiting with baited breath hoping nothing goes drastically wrong before final
[14:45] <BluesKaj> yeah Bionic here as well. Keep having hidden crashes that are notified, but not apparent
[14:45] <D0U91E> user|65753, I have not heard of a problem like that - I would think it is a config error but cannot say for sure as the version numbers are not familiar to me
[14:45] <D0U91E> BluesKaj, same but had no effect on machines performance so summed it up to my lucky stars
[14:47] <user|65753> I tried in vain to put the correct data into the wireless networking module. But the connection drops after about 10 mins. I switched power management off. This problem did not occur in ver 14
[14:47] <D0U91E> ... the little crash icon in the system tray right BluesKaj
[14:48] <D0U91E> user|65753, 14.04?
[14:48] <D0U91E> user|65753, lts?
[14:48] <user|65753> I am current using ver 14.04.5
[14:49] <BluesKaj> user|65753, check the wifi driver version and make sure it's up to date
[14:50] <user|65753> This was using the livedvd. The driver would have been on the dvd
[14:51] <user|65753> I am referring to 16.0404
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/DWgXy81l/file_5477.jpg
 Fwd from phidrho: I have two Activities, and for last few days I'm missing option "Pin to current Activity taskbar". Does anyone else have this bug/feature missing? Maybe I disabled something in options...
 Fwd from phidrho: I'm on Kubuntu 18.04 Beta
[15:01] <user|65753> description: Wireless interface
[15:01] <user|65753>                 product: RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
[15:01] <user|65753>                 vendor: Ralink corp.
[15:01] <user|65753>                 physical id: 2
[15:01] <user|65753>                 bus info: pci@0000:03:02.0
[15:01] <user|65753>                 logical name: wlan0
[15:01] <user|65753>                 version: 00
[16:53] <pychild> Hi, hello. Thanks for al your work in developing kubuntu guys.
[17:07] <uuu11> hey guys
[17:07] <uuu11> is anyone here?
[17:10] <uuu11> Well i have a question regarding the top task bar
[17:10] <uuu11> When i have firefox open on desktop 1 for example
[17:10] <uuu11> And i switch it to desktop 2
[17:10] <uuu11> I can still see the icon on desktop 1
[17:10] <uuu11> Is there a way to hide it from desktop 1?
[17:49] <BluesKaj> uuu11, change from folder view to desktop in the desktop context menu  "Configure Desktop"
[17:51] <BluesKaj> sounds to me like you're running ubuntu with gnome desktop which places the default panel at the top rather than the bottom like kde/plasma/Kubuntu
[19:44] <Prototype> hey
[19:44] <phoenix_firebrd> hi
[19:46] <BionicMac> Hello. Is there a particular dropbox package for use with kubuntu(kde) like I have installed nautilus-dropbox on my gnome Ubuntu?
[19:46] <Prototype> anyine know anything about vpn's?
[19:46]  * BionicMac is new to Ubuntu and this is my first hour on kde, ever. =) thanks for helping the newbie.
[19:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Prototype: a little
[19:47] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: I am not aware of one, but googling kde dropbox gets may results
[19:47] <Prototype> ok,  a friend pointed this site out to me and asked me to look at item 111  (link on its way)
[19:47] <BionicMac> Prototype: I use expressvpn but they have their own ubuntu package that is extremely user-friendly.
[19:48] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: but a official native application, I am not aware of such
[19:48] <Prototype> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Nm7mxfFvmdn-3Az-BtE5O0BIdbJiIAWUnkoAF_v_0ug/edit#gid=0
[19:48] <Prototype> nord VPN has a leak, which kind of concerns me
[19:49] <Prototype> im just wondering what else gets leaked
[19:49] <BionicMac> web rtc?
[19:49] <user|88943> Hey... im stuck kde partition manager for 3 hours..
[19:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Prototype: People here usually recommend private internet access, do ask the people in #kubuntu-offtopic
[19:50] <BionicMac> Prototype: https://www.expressvpn.com/webrtc-leak-test
[19:50] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: hi
[19:50] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: any error messages or crash notification?
[19:51] <user|88943> no message or someting, but only 66% - waiting for operation to finish..
[19:51] <Prototype> yep,  i have an ipv4 leak
[19:52] <user|88943> I have 7200RMP, so is not slow... i forgot to use gparted.. but i tried with kde....
[19:52] <user|88943> Someone can help me..?
[19:53] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: open konsole, run the command "dmesg". check if you have any related error messages there. what is the size of the partition/hard drive which is processed using kde partition manager
 @user|88943, Sound like you may have (accidently?) moved a partition during the partition setup.  Depenind on the size of your drive and the amount of data saved, moving partition can take a like time (6+ hours on tradition HD's).
[19:55] <user|88943> I have 1tb hdd, so i tried to resize 600gb into 500gb.. https://thepasteb.in/p/k5hY0E8Avn6sE
[19:56] <user|88943> is not fully log, if need i give you..
[19:56] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: ok
[19:56] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: resizing for a partition of that size, could take a lot of time
[19:57] <user|88943> im waiting about 3.5hours almost 4 hours... how much i need to wait?
[19:57] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: but you dont see any disk activity?
[19:57] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: either in task manager or the hdd led?
[19:57] <user|88943> i see , about 100+R/W on htop
[19:57] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: and the cpu usage?
[19:58] <user|88943> Umm, about 40/30%
[19:58] <wolfram_> hi there! got a minor problem and would be thankful for assistance:  got a x220 connected to a screen via dockingstation. usually it works like a charm, but some hours the dp port stopped recognizing the screen at all.
[19:58] <user|88943> I have 4 core.
[19:59] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: I see no error message in the log you gave, seems the operation is going well. I think you need to wait.
[19:59] <user|88943> Maybe i give you full log?
[19:59] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: you can calculate the time assuming your hdd throughput as 50 MB/s and calcuate the ETA
[20:00] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: full log is not needed
 Resizing partitions is very quick. However, using a partition GUI such as gparted or KDE partition manager, it very easy to accidenlty slide/move a partition.  I have accidenlty moved them myself even though I know exactly what NOT to do.
[20:01] <user|88943> i pressed only resize
[20:01] <user|88943> i tried a test, so 80mb/s but how to calculate eta?
[20:01] <phoenix_firebrd> IrcsomeBot: that is possible and I have accidentally done that too
[20:03] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: during the resizing you might have moved the partition by mistake. What are the pending operation shown in kde partition manager
 @wolfram_, Sorry, no experience with docking station here.  Can you see the monitor with xrandr? What's the brand of the video card.
[20:03] <user|88943> just i see someting moving xxxxxx some codes
[20:03] <BionicMac> I have a question concerning my installation preocess on kubuntu. I installed and booted just fine. However, I wanted to encrypt the entire partition that I am installing kubuntu to. Everytime I chose "encrypt" for the partition during the manul partition segment of the install it would fail. Only way I could get through the install is to "not" check encrypt. I wonder why this happens?
[20:03] <user|88943> is last stage
[20:03] <BionicMac> s/preocess/process/
[20:04] <user|88943> i see is fully 105 free space ( i checked with some console command)
[20:04] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: are you on laptop or desktop, is it possible to give your device another 4 hours in worst case?
[20:05] <user|88943> desktop..
[20:06] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: can you leave it on for 4 hours and see if it finishes?
[20:06] <user|88943> i see someting wierd maybe, (command running is /usr/bin/partitionmanager --dontsu) maybe this case? i try ..
[20:08] <user|88943> on last stage say is moving filesystem some codes, but i see on dm.. [    2.609343] EXT4-fs (sda7): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
[20:08] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: I think any resizing process wont start without sudo access, didn't it ask for the password when it started to resize or when kde partition manager started
[20:09] <user|88943> is saying me about root acces on opening
[20:09] <wolfram_> @DarinMiller thanks for your reply! It neither works via laptop dp. xrandr says disconnected. does "Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)" help? maybe hardware drivers for video out gone "bad"?
[20:09] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: thats the desired behavior
[20:10] <user|88943> so this cause about root or ?
[20:10] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: I dont know much, but are you talking about what they call lvm?
[20:11] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: kde partition has root access
[20:11] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: I mean the kde partition manager
 @wolfram_, Which version of Kubuntu?
[20:12] <user|88943> i don't know why the kde partition manager took more long that another programs.. for me resize another program is about 1 minute finished.
[20:12] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: it depends upon how many sectors have to be relocated and how much they are fragmented.
 @wolfram_, One possible trouble shooting option would be creating an 18.04 live USB to see if the live session also has the same issue.
[20:13] <user|88943> maybe latest log for me ( i removed usb that time) [45559.816111] FAT-fs (sdb1): unable to read boot sector to mark fs as dirty
[20:13] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: lesser of those takes less time to resize/move
[20:14] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: the partition you are resizing is on a removable hdd?
[20:14] <user|88943> but this partition is using about 200gb :/
[20:15] <user|88943> i saying on resize kde partition manager say is finished about 20 sec, but moving filesystem is not finished..
[20:16] <wolfram_> @DarinMiller 16.04, i would really like to try reinstalling all drivers, but I don't have a clue how.
[20:18] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: that is what IrcsomeBot told, I think you move the partition by accident
[20:18] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: that is what IrcsomeBot told, I think you moved the partition by accident
[20:18] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Well, lvm is not the encryption, that is a logical volume manager which can be used along with luks encryption. Basically the standard default option in the ubuntu installer uses lukc encryption and you can chose to use lvm or not. LUKS disk encrytion does not require lvm , it is an option.
[20:19] <user|88943> maybe i don't know but how fix that?
[20:19] <BionicMac> s/lukc/luks/
[20:19] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: what is the issue in your case?
[20:20] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: wait for a long time :)
[20:20] <BionicMac> It seem everytime I try and encrypt the root  partition it fails ( the installer will not let me get past that point I have to change it to "no encryption" to carry on.). I have no issues when I use encryption on a non-root partition with ubuntu installers.
[20:21] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: you could type this here and the system will tell you.
[20:21] <phoenix_firebrd> !patience | user|88943
[20:22] <uluay> amazing
[20:22] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: you got patience now?
[20:22] <user|88943> yes.
[20:22] <uluay> irc still working somewhere
[20:22] <user|88943> So i try to wait about another 4 hours, i think next 4 hours my harddisk maybe die :/ because is not designed for 24/7 hours (i using this pc about 12 hours right now)
[20:22] <phoenix_firebrd> :'D I think so , lol
[20:23] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: whenever you need patience come here and the irc mods will give you a lot
[20:23] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: I understand
[20:24] <user|88943> Have good hours, i try to leave any aplications (to save my span life)
[20:25] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: If what you say is true, then you have to weight your options, whether is data is more important or not. As far as I know all the hdd are designed to handle decent heat for a little bit of time
[20:25] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: I wasn't using lvm. Only encryption. I select this option for the root partition in the ubuntu manual partitioning section of the installer and it will not let me encrypt the root partition. Only non-root partitions. Here is a link I found a user with my exact issue: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2328306 <- I am reading this now.
[20:25] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: I recommend you to give another 4hrs
[20:26] <user|88943> Thank you. I have right now patience. If i see some newers erros i come here.
[20:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: It is mentioned in the forum that, boot partition should not be encrypted, what about it in your case?
[20:29] <phoenix_firebrd> user|88943: ok
[20:29] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: I have some more research to do tonight on the subject it seems. I never encrypt /boot.
[20:30] <BionicMac> My /boot is EFI and I leave it be at all costs.
[20:32] <BionicMac>  btw, I am really diggin' kubuntu. I really believe this is less resource hungry than the standard Ubuntu Bionic Beaver running Gnome.
[20:32] <BionicMac> This is my first go with kde plasma too. Very nice.
[20:33] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Thanks for the help. I will do more research tonight on the subject of encrypting root partition during the ububnt install process.
[20:33] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: I too feel the same. may be kde neon could replace my kubuntu someday
[20:33] <BionicMac> neon?
[20:34] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: https://neon.kde.org/
[20:34] <BionicMac> I am not familiar with KDE at all. It has been many years since I ran KDE.
[20:34] <BionicMac> ok thanks
[20:34] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: yw
[20:35] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Is this neon available on ubuntu repos?
[20:35] <sick_rimmit> Nice feedback folks
[20:35] <sick_rimmit> Glad to here you like the low resource usage
[20:35] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: neon is a distro based on ubuntu
[20:36] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: neon=kde+ubuntu
[20:36] <BionicMac> sick_rimmit: It is snappy. Fastest kde I have ever used.
[20:36] <phoenix_firebrd> sick_rimmit: ya
[20:36] <sick_rimmit> Yes, we've been really impressed with the performance improvements in QT and KDE Frameworks
[20:37] <sick_rimmit> Plasma 5, has stabilised nicely in time for our LTS release
[20:37] <sick_rimmit> 18-04 is going to be a great release
[20:37] <phoenix_firebrd> I am waiting for wayland to become default
[20:37] <BionicMac> Looks like I am going to have to bite the bullet and install a lot of gnome libs anyway to have more ubuntu packages available.  case and point: nautilus-dropbox runs fine in kde. It's only called nautilus* because it gives a menu entry in nautilus. The dropbox runs the same in either desktop.
[20:38] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[20:39] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: I have droped dropbox a long time ago and I am not sure about it
[20:39] <BionicMac> Since there is no specific kde|qt-dropbox "official-ish" Ubuntu package. I could download the .deb from dropbox but I like to use Ubuntu repo packages as much as possible.
[20:41] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: If you are worried about the credibility of the package from dropbox, then dont install it. I never install a software other than from the repos. If you dont care of the security, then you can go head and install the deb package
[20:41] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: have you checked if there is any snap package available?
[20:42] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Yeah, I need somewhere to store files on a remote (read: cloud blah) server so... dropbox is probably the least of the evils. I guess I should go ahead and  spin up a server of my own just as cheap as a dropbox account. Plus I could run Ubuntu on it.
[20:43] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Yes, I am picky about the credibility of packages/software in general. I do trust the dropbox direct download though.  Like I said , I could install nautilus-dropbox from Ubuntu.
[20:43] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: I dont judge you, me dumping dropbox is a political move. I dont hate cloud. Its just the packages from the untrusted sources that scares me
[20:43] <BionicMac> Understood.
[20:44] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: let me check if there is snap package for it
[20:44] <BionicMac> ah, good idea
[20:48] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: there seems to be a official solution given for integrating dropbox with dolphin file browser. Do you want to try it?
[20:49] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: yes.
[20:49] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: by saying official , I mean by kubuntu/kde i think
[20:49] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: install the package "dolphin-plugins"
[20:49] <BionicMac> great!
[20:52]  * BionicMac wonders why default system monitor GUIs do not read data from lm-sensors. I mean I always have to grab gkrellm or something to get temps and fans so may as well use it for the full meal deal.
[20:53] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: after that, go to dolphin menu control-> configure dolphin menu. there is the left select services. and then on the right select dolphin. then press apply/ok and then close and reopen all the dolphin instances
[20:53] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Wow! Dude! I just discovered "Discover"! Offical "vanillla" dropbox Ubuntu package right there. Sweet! What is this "Discover"? I guess the equivalent of "Ubuntu Software The Orange Bag" In gnome-ish Ubuntu. =)
[20:53] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: you mean the ksysguard or the plasma widget?
[20:54] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: ok thanks for the info there concerning dolphin too.1
[20:54] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: ya
[20:54] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: discover is ~ ubuntu software center
[20:55] <BionicMac> Ok! nice! I wondered where the Orange Bag went. =)
[20:55] <BionicMac> p
[20:55] <BionicMac> hahaaa
[20:55] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: :)
[20:55] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: wait
[20:55]  * BionicMac has evil grins...
[20:55] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: I just check it says the dropbox you might be refering is the dropbox nautilus plugin
[20:56] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: what does the description says?
[20:56] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Yes, it is. but hey, it's cool. Plus I have the info from you on the dolphin integration.
[20:56] <BionicMac> I just read it.
[20:57] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: ok
[20:57] <BionicMac> nautilus. It will work.
[20:57] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[20:57] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: the gui you are talking about related to lm-sensors, it it the task manager or the widget?
[20:58] <BionicMac> I use gkrellm. The default system monitors do not read fan/temps from lm-sensors.
[20:59] <BionicMac> gkrellm reads lm-sensors complete data.
[20:59] <BionicMac> It's super sweet.
[20:59] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: ok, what is not showing the data?
[20:59] <BionicMac> Been around for decades.
[21:00] <BionicMac> Default kubuntu/kde/ system monitor. It reads no temps or fans data.
[21:00] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: If you are talking about the desktop widget, may be the sensors we need to monitor has to be selected first
[21:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: the kde system monitor is called, ksysguard. have you run the lmsensor setup after installing the lmsensors where it detects the sensors and adds support for it
[21:02] <BionicMac> I haven't installed here yet. I assumed it would be the same as gnome. It never read the temp and fan data.
[21:02] <BionicMac> fresh install still setting up... gimme a sec
[21:02] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[21:03] <BionicMac> yes, that is what I meant by system monitor 'ksysguard'. let me grab lm-sensors nd see if this reads it. Maybe I wil get lucky.
[21:03] <BionicMac> plus I need coffee. =)
[21:03] <BionicMac> man I am friggin DIGGIN' Plasme and kubuntu period.
[21:03] <BionicMac> oh yes!
[21:03] <BionicMac> s/Plasme/Plasma/
[21:04] <BionicMac> wow... I think, for me... Kde trumps gnome at this point. I have gnome Ubuntu dual booting here instead of cluttering up each install. I kept them seperate and fresh and clean.
[21:05] <phoenix_firebrd> nice
[21:05] <BionicMac> I mean I have kubuntu & standard gnome Ubuntu dual booting and seperate.
[21:07] <BionicMac> Actually this is a quadruple booting system right now,. 1) Ubuntu standard Beaver Gnome -- 2) Kubuntu -- 3) Antergos Cinnamon -- 4) Mac OSC High Sierra.
[21:07] <phoenix_firebrd> :)
[21:07] <BionicMac> s/OSC/OSX/
[21:07] <phoenix_firebrd> me similarly
[21:10] <BionicMac> I have a partition for sharing files between all distros ( except the misbehaving OSX proprietary APFS - BS )
[21:16] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Is there an app to take screenshots with on a default kubuntu plasma installation? I don't want to install an app for nothing. I'm trying to keep clean and mean.
[21:17] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: kubuntu has a default app for it its called spectacle
[21:18] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: see if you have that app installed
[21:19] <BionicMac> sweet
[21:22] <user|89422> Hey i got succes to resize, you guys are god
[21:22] <BionicMac> Thumbs up brother.
[21:22] <BionicMac> =)
[21:23] <user|89422> but kde partition manager is wierd, i say total time -1
[21:23] <phoenix_firebrd> user|89422: :) nice
[21:23] <user|89422> Im go bed right now. So thank you again.
[21:24] <phoenix_firebrd> user|89422: yw
[21:28] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Check my dolphin setup screenshot on the top right.. I am where you led me and no "dropbox" on the right.... Here: https://i.imgur.com/PKvP7TR.jpg
[21:30] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: have you installed the package "dolphin-plugins" ?
[21:30] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Ah hA! New ss with me adding the Dropbox Service menu (dolphin add-on service) https://i.imgur.com/xLmk472.jpg
[21:30] <BionicMac> =)
[21:31] <BionicMac> let me check for dolphin-plugins.... before I download the dropbox service add-on....
[21:31] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: ya
[21:31] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: try using muon, its like synaptic, its very nice
[21:32] <BionicMac> Sweet, yes I found tha tearlier but I am so used to cli apt by now.
[21:33] <phoenix_firebrd> thats even nice
[21:33] <BionicMac> ok, dolphin-plugins installed. restarting Dolphin...
[21:33] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd:   How you like those screenshots? =)
[21:35] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: looks nice :)
[21:36] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: And there it is! Magic!@! You da man! No extra cruft doing it this way. I'm all about clean and mean.
[21:37] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Kind of cluttered but I am setting up... Ive yet to learn about workspaces... =) I want the hotkeys/shortcuts to plasma workspaces. =)
[21:41] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Here I am selecting it in dolphin here: https://i.imgur.com/mtSfVm7.jpg
[21:42] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: thats the option
[21:42] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: did it work
[21:43] <BionicMac> Not yet.. it isn't there in the context menu... Let me get nautilus-dropbox installed now... I'm using muon for the first time to do it... brb
[21:44] <BionicMac> probably dolpin needs dropbox installed to activate the feature properly...
[21:44] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: you could see some related videos in youtube to get to know the latest feature and stuff in kde/kubuntu
[21:44] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: no
[21:44] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: That sounds great!
[21:44] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: hmmm I don't see the dropbox context menu.
[21:45] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: I just installed the dolphin-plugins and got the dolphin option in the services
[21:45] <phoenix_firebrd> phoenix_firebrd: let me check again
[21:48] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Yes, I have the dropbox option to select after I installed dolphin-plugins.... however... I restarted dolphin and did not see the right-click dropbox context menu.... but I did not have dropbox instaled.... now I do ( unless I am missing whree it is in the menu... )
[21:48] <Inventrep123> firefox ver 59 is not in package manager for 17.04?
[21:49] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: I think the dropbox plugin for dolphin is outdated
[21:49] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Check mate! Once dropbox was installed and runngin.. then restarting dolphin after the plugin checked... dne
[21:50] <BionicMac> current screen coming... check out my mouse ponter to see what it actually is...
[21:50] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: possibly outdated.... but I get basic function... I will ss it.. brb
[21:51] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[21:52] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Ok, great .. more than basic function.. I get it all context menu now.. perfect... ss coming of the two areas that function because of this setup... =)
[21:52] <phoenix_firebrd> nice
[21:53] <BionicMac> In the meantime.... jam on htis... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLsEvZgmRVA&list=RDl_4iQDYDVNo&index=14
[22:37] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: This is seriously nice. This was a super clean way to do it too. Like it was meant to be. Man I really appreciate you spending time to help me. That is very kind of you phoenix_firebrd.
[22:37] <Guest23426> Hey is anybody trying 18.04 beta?
[22:38] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: :)
[22:38] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: I documented step by step with pictures/ss and I will be glad to make a HOWTO/tips/hints for someone else in the community that may use it.
[22:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: me
[22:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: using live cd, i test
[22:39] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: do you have as a file?
[22:39] <Guest23426> I installed it on my laptop.  Pretty good for the most part.
[22:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: good
[22:39] <Guest23426> I don't get sddm upon bootup, so I have to login to console and type startx everytime
[22:39] <Guest23426> it's overall pretty stable
[22:40] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: This is a rough draft. I will make this nicer and put it on a blog or something.
[22:40] <BionicMac> https://pastebin.com/kR2KPkXN
[22:40] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: ^^ That is the the entire process.
[22:40] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: did you install 18.04?
[22:40] <Esteban16> HI. I'm trying to come back to Windows but it seems more complicated that I thought
[22:41] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: blog will be super
[22:41] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: when someone googles, it could lead to your blog
[22:41] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Of course the links are not hyperIzed you will have to copy and paste to view the screenshots.
[22:41] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Very true.
[22:41] <Esteban16> Is there a way to change BIOS boot to UEFI boot?
[22:42] <Guest23426> phoenix_firebrd: Yes, It's Kubuntu 18.04
[22:42] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: have you updated after the install?
[22:42] <BionicMac> phoenix_firebrd: Screenshots turned out perfect also.
[22:42] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: are you using a nvidia gpu?
[22:42] <phoenix_firebrd> BionicMac: ya
[22:43] <Guest23426> phoenix_firebrd: I have updated, yes.  And it's integrated graphics
[22:44] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: do you see any error in sddm log?
[22:44] <Guest23426> I'm a bit of a n00b, sorry.  What folder would it be in?
[22:45] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: the file is in /var/log
[22:45] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: /var/log/sddm.log
[22:45] <Guest23426> thanks :D brb
[22:45] <Esteban16> Is there a way to change BIOS boot to UEFI boot?
[22:46] <Guest23426> sddm.log appears to be blank
[22:48] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: the greeter crashes only on boot or it always crashes?
[22:48] <Guest23426> Esteban16: Is there an option in your BIOS menu?
[22:48] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: its not that one
[22:49] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: what Esteban16 problem is software related
[22:49] <Esteban16> I'm trying to change boot order but I can't
[22:49] <Guest23426> phoenix_firebrd: I never see the greeter.  It goes immediately to command line.  I think it went to the greeter once after an update, but then it hasn't since
[22:49] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: you installed a bios based os and then a efi based one later?
[22:50] <Esteban16> No, I installed Kubuntu throught dual reboot. Previously I had Windows 10
[22:50] <Guest23426> I've searched for a solution, and so far I have tried adding startx to .bashrc
[22:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: it could be the .xauthority file in your user folder creating the issue
[22:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: delete a file named .xauthority in the /home/<username>/ folder
[22:51] <Guest23426> ok
[22:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: and try restarting
[22:52] <Guest23426> okay I've deleted .xauthority
[22:52] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: now do you have windows 10? because if you have windows and when you switch from bios to uefi and then basic, booting into windows 10 will break
[22:52] <Guest23426> I'll reboot and see what happened.  thank you for your help
[22:52] <Esteban16> I completely deleted Windows.
[22:53] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest23426: yw
[22:54] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: see if this article helps https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[22:55] <Esteban16> Thank you, I'll read it. Just want to say that I want to switch from bios to uefi because I've read I need that in order to install Windows.
[22:56] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: you mean windows 10 creators update?
[22:57] <Esteban16> Yes, phoenix_firebrd
[22:57] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: where did you read about that requirement? I did have any issue installing with bios mode
[22:58] <scott__> phoenix_firebrd: hi there, I'm the one who was having trouble with my login.  I deleted the .xauthority file, rebooted, and it still went to terminal
[22:58] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: I only had issue when I switched to uefi mode in bios and then back
[22:59] <Esteban16> phoenix_firebrd: From https://www.onetransistor.eu/2015/09/uefi-ntfs-bootable-windows-usb-linux.html
[22:59] <Esteban16> You mean there's no need for switching?
[23:00] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: as far as I know, you dont need to do it
[23:00] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__: wait
[23:01] <Esteban16> phoenix_firebrd: I see. Then I just need the bootable USB and install Windows?
[23:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: ya
[23:02] <scott__> phoenix_firebrd: sure
[23:03] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__: are you on 18.04 now?
[23:03] <Esteban16> It sounds pretty easy. But when selecting the USB operative system. I think the USB lacks files
[23:03] <Esteban16> *But when selecting the USB appers operative system not found
[23:03] <scott__> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[23:04] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: cant understand what you say, can you elaborate ?
[23:05] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__: is there any error messages in xorg.0.log?
[23:06] <Esteban16> phoenix_firebrd: In the boot menu (Fn+F12) I press the USB with the ISO image, but appears: Operative system not found. I think there are missing files in the USB, besides the ISO image
[23:08] <scott__> phoenix_firebrd: I see some errors about fonts not existing - "usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/"
[23:11] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__: run the following command in the terminal and paste the output here "journalctl -u sddm.service"
[23:11] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__: use any paste service like paste.ubuntu.com
[23:13] <scott__> My console keeps telling me that "Only console users are allowed to run the X server"
[23:13] <Esteban16> phoenix_firebrd: I think that's the problem. I've watched many tutorials and they show more files, not just the ISO image. But I don't know where they're from
[23:14] <scott__> https://pastebin.com/Q0U8azNH
[23:14] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: usb of windows or linux?
[23:15] <Esteban16> phoenix_firebrd: If you refer to the ISO image, it's Windows
[23:16] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__: paste your xorg.0.log
[23:17] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: no you said the operating system image you have written in the USB that is not getting detected during boot, which one is it?
[23:18] <Esteban16> It's Windows 10, phoenix_firebrd
[23:18] <scott__> https://pastebin.com/CxmNCXT6 - Xorg.0.log
[23:18] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: what software are you using to write the image to usb?
[23:19] <acheronuk> is sddm-theme-breeze installed?
[23:19] <Esteban16> I'm not using any software, I just copied/paged the image.
[23:19] <acheronuk> scott__: ^^
[23:19] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__: you said you are using an integrated graphics card, what intel processor are you using?
[23:20] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__: try acheronuk suggestion
[23:20] <scott__> sddm-theme-breeze is installed
[23:20] <phoenix_firebrd> acheronuk: scott__is testing 18.04 and its a fresh install
[23:21] <Esteban16> phoenix_firebrd: I didn't know it was necessary to use a software
[23:21] <acheronuk> X or wayland?
[23:21] <scott__> intel celeron cpu 900 @ 2.20 ghz
[23:21] <acheronuk> oh, nevermind
[23:23] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__: it could be a bug in the beta release, does this happen with a live iso?
[23:23] <scott__> acheronuk: It goes straight to command line, and I have to type startx after every reboot.
[23:23] <acheronuk> yeah, I was not thinking
[23:24] <scott__> phoenix_firebrd: No I didn't have any issues with the live iso
[23:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: you mean you copied the iso into the pendrive O_o ?
[23:24] <Esteban16> Yes :/
[23:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: lol
[23:25] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: you need to use a usb writing software to write a iso image to usb
[23:25] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: I would recommend Rosa image writer for linux isos and Rufus for windows isos
[23:26] <Esteban16> If I had known it from the beginning xD
[23:26] <Esteban16> phoenix_firebrd: Thank you so much, I'll try what you told me
[23:26] <phoenix_firebrd> acheronuk: sddm-theme-breeze is a resource?
[23:27] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: yw
[23:28] <acheronuk> resource? it's qml+images+config
[23:28] <BionicMac> This is a very very nice distro. I'm partial to kubuntu over the standard gnome ubuntu.
[23:28] <phoenix_firebrd> acheronuk: sddm loads it right?
[23:29] <acheronuk> yes
[23:29] <phoenix_firebrd> acheronuk: in that case, If there is an error in the process it gets logged in the systemd journal right?
[23:30] <phoenix_firebrd> acheronuk: previously when there was lightdm greeter, I used to see some qml object error related to the greeter in the lightdm logs
[23:31] <acheronuk> phoenix_firebrd: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h3t5bqd8VD/
[23:31] <acheronuk> ^^ log from a running VM
[23:34] <phoenix_firebrd> acheronuk: 18.04?
[23:35] <acheronuk> phoenix_firebrd: yeah. todays iso installed this morning in a vm
[23:35] <phoenix_firebrd> acheronuk: how did you obtain this log?
[23:36] <phoenix_firebrd> syslog?
[23:37] <acheronuk> 'journalctl -u sddm.service'
[23:37] <scott__> i know I could look at the man page, but what does the -u flag do?
[23:38] <acheronuk> u=unit
[23:39] <scott__> oh ok
[23:39] <acheronuk> e.g. just filter log messages for that unit
[23:39] <scott__> cool
[23:40] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__: did you install a daily image or beta 1?
[23:48] <scott__> beta 1
[23:48] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__: is the system update fully?
[23:49] <scott__> yes, except I have 2 updates for java that are being held back for some reason
[23:50] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__: there seems to be a known bug related to sddm, have you seen this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/Beta1/Kubuntu
[23:51] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__:  this is the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1447144
[23:52] <scott__> I just read that, thanks for sharing.  Looks like I need to remove the /etc/sddm.conf file and restart sddm
[23:52] <scott__> would that command be sudo service sddm restart?
[23:53] <scott__> or I guess reboot
[23:53] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__ I think you need to use the systemd commands now
[23:53] <phoenix_firebrd> scott__: better reboot
[23:55] <Esteban16> phoenix_firebrd: I can't run Rufus. I just have the .exe file
[23:56] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: you cant run rufus in linux as it is a windows only application.
[23:56] <acheronuk> was this an oem install then?
[23:57] <Esteban16> phoenix_firebrd: Oh, then how do I use it with the image?
[23:57] <phoenix_firebrd> acheronuk: he is trying out the solution given in the known bug, it works then it could be bigger issue with sddm
[23:57] <scott__> phoenix_firebrd: I don't have /etc/sddm.conf, I have /etc/init/sddm.conf, would that be the file to backup and delete?
[23:57] <phoenix_firebrd> Esteban16: try buring the iso image with the rosa image writer
[23:58] <acheronuk> that bug only affects an oem install, so unlikely to be that
[23:58] <scott__> darn
[23:59] <phoenix_firebrd> acheronuk: scott__ says he doesnt have a sddm.config file in /etc but has one in /etc/init/ has the config file location got moved?


[10:23] <ogra> hmm ... do we have a corss compilation guide for arm64 somewhere ... trying to recompile the 4.11 deb results in "aarch64-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lpci"
[10:25] <ogra> (building the same for armhf works just fine)
[12:40] <ogra> (ok, not building tools helps with that but seemingly the aarch64 cross compiler has no support for -fstack-protector-strong ...)