[05:14] <sakhi> Morning ubuntu-za
[05:14] <sakhi> Morning ubuntu-be
[05:15] <sakhi> Morning ubuntu-za I mean.
[07:10] <chesedo> hi sakhi and others
[09:05]  * chesedo is covering kernel modules in one of his subjects and just created a very simple kernel module


[11:34] <issyl0> Hi all.
[11:35] <issyl0> So all the files in the branch now are going to make the Maverick manual; we haven't started work on the Natty one yet?  Right...
[13:21] <godbyk> issyl0: Right. I'll probably set up the natty repository this weekend.
[14:55] <issyl0> godbyk: OK, cool.


[09:40] <rabbitnightmare> I really miss Unity
[09:40] <rabbitnightmare> as well as Amazon integration
[09:40] <rabbitnightmare> I hate this new direction
[09:41] <rabbitnightmare> Why do I say anything now? I only use LTS and did not know that yall had removed Unity and Amazon
[09:41] <rabbitnightmare> do you think you could ya know bring it back? I used both extensively
[09:42] <rabbitnightmare> wait why did freenode send me to ops
[13:15] <Pricey> I don't know but I could make a guess...


[04:15] <ScottL> cjwatson, thank you for your help with the ubuntu studio seeds during the past week
[04:15] <ScottL> charlie-tca, i sent you an email about the ubuntu studio GDM background and desktop wallpaper per our open week discussion
[04:51] <charlie-tca> ScottL, got the email, but lost my internet most of today. Will get an answer out for you tomorrow
[10:05] <cjwatson> ScottL: np, was basically just responding to failure mails :)
[10:57]  * cjwatson updates ubuntu-archive-tools to use LP production by default; please update
[10:57] <cjwatson> (http://blog.launchpad.net/general/edge-is-deprecated)
[12:01] <ScottL> cjwatson,  ubuntu studio will also need to add 'ubuntustudio-generation' and 'ubuntustudio-recording' tasks to the task list and remove 'ubuntustudio-audio'
[12:01] <ScottL> is this enough to get the changes effect or will you need an email?
[12:01] <ScottL> s/effect/effected
[12:02] <cjwatson> oh, I just need to run a script for that
[12:02] <cjwatson> ('debian/rules update' in tasksel)
[12:02] <cjwatson> in progress now, no need for a mail
[12:02] <ScottL> thank you again, cjwatson :)
[12:20] <cjwatson> ScottL: done


[19:32] <Guest53> Hi. A mitigation for the amd inception vulnerability is available for a while in the upstream kernel. I would like to inquire about the timeline of introducing the fix to the ubuntu kernels.
[19:36] <Guest53> If I'm in the wrong place with this question, please direct me to the correct place to ask something like this
[20:16] <tomreyn> hmm, a valid point to me. let's pretend they're still around, since i'm also woindering.
[20:17] <tomreyn> debian got it since Aug 11, apparently? https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2023-20569
[20:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- A side channel vulnerability on some of the AMD CPUs may allow an attacker to influence the return address prediction. This may result in speculative execution at an attacker-controlled address, potentially leading to information disclosure. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-20569>
[21:22] <sarnold> tomreyn: the changelog entries on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amd64-microcode/3.20230808.1.1ubuntu1 make me think we might have pushed the microcode updates for it already?
[21:25] <tomreyn> sarnold: looks like it, for the firmware. i was more wondering about the linux patches (though, IIRC, one of the two is sufficient).
[21:26] <sarnold> tomreyn: I wouldn't be surprised if the kernel mitigation is one of those "prevent leaking kernel data to userspace" but doesn't help with eg secrets in a web browser being held safe from interpreted languages in the web browser, where the microcode probably helps with both
[21:31] <tomreyn> sarnold: i guess the issue witht he microcode is that updates are, so far, only available for some affected CPUs (epyc, specifically, not the desktop ones), so having the kernel mitigation would be > nice to have.
[21:32] <sarnold> tomreyn: yeah :/ for at least one of the recent AMD issues they said the client cpus would be getting updated around november or december. oof.
[21:36] <tomreyn> right. so... it would be good to ensure the linux patches are present
[21:38] <sarnold> *nod* I've asked around if anyone's collected a list of necessary patches for the break-fix lines .. it quickly became apparent that it's way more than I can just pop off in a few minutes
[21:39] <tomreyn> oh, i didn't mean to suggest that *you* do it, or *now* ;-)
[21:39] <tomreyn> thanks for poking + helping me look into it.
[21:41] <sarnold> well, I kind of expected to find maybe two commits and then I could just add them to the file and then find out in a few hours if we've already shipped it or not :)
[21:41] <sarnold> no such luck, lol
[21:42] <tomreyn> :) you're clearly too optimistic
[21:47] <sarnold> definitely


[19:50] <teward> um... i think someone's regexp when writing up https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git#Linking_to_bugs went screwy, because IIRC # isn't a protected character/keyword/symbol in regexp that needs escaped...
[19:50] <teward> can someone check my sanity in this case?  :|
[20:39] <nacc> teward: python-ism, i think
[20:39] <nacc> https://docs.python.org/3/library/re.html, the re.escape section
[20:39] <nacc> https://docs.python.org/3/library/re.html#re.escape rather :)
[20:39] <nacc> I *think* because python regex can have comments in them
[23:35] <cjwatson> Escaping the # isn't necessary in this particular case, but it's also perfectly acceptable.


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[05:36] <dpm> hi wgrant, is there a known issue with LP, or is it down for maintenance? I'm trying to add a bug task and keep getting a 502 error, and adding tags does not seem to work, either
[05:36] <wgrant> dpm: Heh
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[05:36] <wgrant> dpm: It's back now.
[05:37] <dpm> I guess it was all bad timing, then :)
[05:37] <dpm> thanks, trying it again
[09:23] <mpt> Is there a page equivalent to <https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu> for merge proposals?
[09:27] <mpt> …Via the PatchPilot pages I find <https://code.launchpad.net/bzr/+merges>, which suggests that <https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+merges> should exist, but it doesn’t
[09:29] <wgrant> mpt: There is not.
[09:29] <wgrant> It would be unusably large.
[09:29] <wgrant> And not perform acceptably.
 lists a batch of over half a million branches in <10 seconds … There are fewer merge proposals than there are branches, right? :-)
[09:32] <wgrant> Databases don't quite work that way.
[09:32] <wgrant> It would require significant work to optimise the million row join to be acceptable.
[09:34] <wgrant> It may be something that's valuable with the new Git-based UDD.
[09:36] <mpt> Would Git make the database operation easier? Or just start from a small enough count that optimization wasn’t so daunting?
[09:37] <wgrant> Git-based UDD would be viable enough to justify the effort of making Distribution:+activereviews practical.
[09:37] <wgrant> Bazaar-based UDD is not.
[09:38] <wgrant> We anticipate that Git-based UDD will be usable, and used, for all packages, at which point it makes sense to make the experience great.
[09:40] <mpt> Oh, I didn’t realize that Bazaar UDD isn’t used for all packages
[09:41] <wgrant> Bazaar-based UDD tends to work fine for a package until someone uses it.
[09:41] <wgrant> Then it usually stops working for that package.
[09:41] <wgrant> It can't be used for many interesting packages.
[09:43] <cjwatson> Yeah, honestly at this point Bazaar-based UDD is worse than useless.
[09:44] <cjwatson> Because it is a seductive trap that leads people to believe that it's overall worthwhile, until they waste time finding out that it's not.
[09:44] <cjwatson> But just about enough people manage to sort of struggle along with it that we need to replace it properly rather than just decommissioning it unilaterally.
[09:45] <wgrant> Exactly.
[09:45] <cjwatson> Unfortunately development documentation authors decided to go with idealism rather than realism, and so the docs advocate a mode of operation that isn't useful for anything non-trivial.
[10:01] <mpt> So … Would it be useful to report a bug for a distribution +merges page, or would it get lost in the ocean?
[10:05] <cjwatson> I don't hugely mind, but it will definitely have to be put on the shelf for at least months, since Git-based UDD is as yet only at initial planning stages.  (Although the likely software to make it go already exists in Debian.)
[10:07] <cjwatson> Polishing around initially cut corners, webhooks, mirroring, recipes are ahead of it in the queue right now.
[10:09] <pkern> cjwatson: You mean Ian's project as its base?
[10:10] <cjwatson> pkern: Indeed, subject to Ubuntu people checking it out.
[10:10] <cjwatson> pkern: (Last I checked it was still not entirely as good friends with 3.0 (quilt) as it probably ought to be.)
[10:11] <cjwatson> But dgit is already mostly a more reliable package-import than package-import itself ever was ...
[10:12] <pkern> cjwatson: It's Perl.
[10:12] <pkern> That stunned me a bit.
[10:12] <cjwatson> *shrug*
[10:12] <pkern> Yeah, I have different constraints at work and people would throw things at me. ;)
[10:12] <pkern> I'm also planning to import everything so I should also look at that stuff soonish.
[10:13] <cjwatson> For this purpose, design-level resiliency is a lot more important than choice of implementation language.
[10:13] <pkern> Yeah, I know.
[10:13] <pkern> Except that I cannot actually run Perl, hence that doesn't help me.
[10:14] <cjwatson> Ah, cut-down system?
[10:48] <DamienCassou> hi
[10:49] <DamienCassou> when I try to log in launchpad, I'm told that I'm a bot. Even though I can't be 100% certain, I'm quite sure I'm not a bot
[10:49] <DamienCassou> Can somebody help me login please?
[11:48] <wgrant> DamienCassou: Submit a support request using the Support link at the bottom of the error page.
[11:49] <wgrant> I'll take your word for it that you're not a bot :)
[11:53] <DamienCassou> thanks!
[12:54] <brendand_> hi - would like change the name of the project https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-sanity-tests to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-tests
[13:00] <wgrant> brendand_: File a request at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad.
[18:06] <DalekSec> It's safe to presume https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1084403 isn't getting fixed soon, right?  (If so, I need to setup a workaround, if not I can simply wait.)
[18:08] <cjwatson> DalekSec: Indeed; we don't have anyone working on that, and git mirroring + recipes will almost certainly be implemented before anything's done about that bug (if ever).
[18:09] <DalekSec> Alright, new question then.  Can you guess it? :P
[18:09] <cjwatson> DalekSec: In the meantime, as Jelmer suggests, occasionally running manual exports/imports is a reasonable workaround.
[18:10] <cjwatson> DalekSec: We'll hopefully have native git mirroring/recipes going in about two or three months, at a guess.
[18:10] <cjwatson> (Very roughly; neither is started yet.)
[18:11] <cjwatson> DalekSec: Hopefully something in there answered your new question. ;-)
[18:11] <DalekSec> Sure, roughly works just fine for me, at least gives me an idea.  Yes, thanks very much cjwatson!
[20:33] <whit> hello! I'm trying to clone lp:charm-helpers like so: git clone<EMAIL_ADDRESS>chlp
[20:34] <whit> I think from https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git this should work
[20:34] <whit> but I get this error
[20:34] <whit> fatal: remote error: Could not translate 'charm-helpers'.
[20:34] <whit> what am I doing wrong here?
[21:00] <whit> is this the wrong place to ask questions?
[21:03] <dobey> whit: does lp:charm-helpers actually have a git?
[21:03] <dobey> whit: you can't checkout code that's in bzr, using git in that way
[21:03] <whit> dobey: so support is not bidirectional :/
[21:03] <dobey> no it's not
[21:04] <whit> ok... so if I have a bzr branch I've imported to git and I want to get changes back to the upstream in bzr
[21:05] <whit> is there a good workflow for this?
[21:06] <dobey> i guess the bzr plug-in to git would have to provide someway to push changes to a remote bzr branch
[21:06] <dobey> but that has nothing to do with launchpad itself
[21:13] <whit> my charmhelpers repo does is initialized for git and bzr, should be ok
[21:16] <dobey> i don't know anything about using bzr within git. i'd suggest asking whoever wrote the plug-in for git to support bzr
[21:20] <blr> whit: you're just a bit early! I suspect most canonical projects like charmhelpers will move to git in the near future :)
[21:21] <whit> blr, so if I were to say convince the charmhelpers maintainers to move over to git, what would that entail?
[21:21] <whit> and what would the ramification be?
[21:21] <whit> is bidirectional support planned?
[21:21] <blr> whit: that may be a decision that juju as a whole needs to make, I can't say with any certainty.
[21:22] <blr> whit: not at the moment no, although you're certainly not the first to ask for it.
[21:22] <dobey> bidirectional support would not be fun
[21:22] <dobey> so i wouldn't expect it to ever exist
[21:33] <cjwatson> whit: Bidirectional support isn't planned at this point, no.  We don't have serious version control system expertise on the team, and it would definitely involve that.
[21:34] <cjwatson> You could run imports yourself in one direction or the other if you wanted, or even use Launchpad's own git->bzr import facility.  It would probably be necessary to mark merge proposals as merged manually on one side or the other, though.
[21:35] <cjwatson> whit: Also, the way the world is going, we rather suspect most projects are just going to want to end up on git; it's not clear how much sense it makes to invest quite a lot of effort in what would be a fairly short-term transitional option for most projects.
[21:36]  * whit nods
[21:37] <cjwatson> whit: For charmhelpers, I guess that projects that embed it generally just take copies anyway, so it shouldn't have too many downstream implications apart from updating the scripts that refresh copies of things?
[21:37] <whit> we are moving away from vendoring due to a variety of issues
[21:38] <cjwatson> whit: Yeah, but for now
[21:38] <whit> yeah, true
[21:38] <cjwatson> whit: For charms in general, at least internal to Canonical we'd want mojo/codetree to have git support first, though bzr imports could perhaps serve as a stopgap
[21:42] <cjwatson> whit: Other things to think about: do you have/need a merge robot (tarmac is being worked on but not ready yet)?  You might want to do a mass import of all the existing unmerged branches, and we should probably suggest some scripts for that in migration docs although it's pretty tricky to fully automate in general.  And probably other things ...  You can certainly run an import as basically a read-only thing for a while until you have ...
[21:42] <cjwatson> ... everything sorted out, the way that we're currently doing for Launchpad itself
[21:42] <cjwatson> whit: And any CI facilities you have, of course


[20:58] <astraljava> Greetings everybody. I know it's been a looong time, and I cannot expect any of you to provide any tech support for me, but maybe it's forgiven to ask for a small favour?
[20:58] <pleia2> hey astraljava :)
[20:59] <astraljava> The quickest way to determine whether your system may assist me, is to check the "set root=" section in /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
[20:59] <astraljava> Heeey, pleia2!
[20:59] <astraljava> LTNC, how have you been?
[20:59] <pleia2> good, but unable to reboot at the moment to help you :)
[21:00] <astraljava> Not to worry, I've come to the conclusion this may be such a corner case not many can. :D
[21:01] <astraljava> If you have "set root='lvmid=<blahblahblah>'" in the menu entry, then you _may_ be eligible to win an additional service request! Yay! \m/
[21:02] <astraljava> Oh, and your system ought to be newer than 20.04.
[21:03] <astraljava> Would you like to hear more of the issue at hand? That's alright, I'll tell you anyway. There may be a bug in grub-mkconfig that's been lying dormant since 2017, at least.
[21:04] <astraljava> IF that didn't make your mouth watery, then I don't know what can.


[05:48] <Kamondelious> what sort of voodoo do I have to do to allow a serial login for maverick on a beagleboard (rev C3)?
[05:53] <Kamondelious> oh,remove "quiet splash"?  I've tried adding "console=ttyS2,115200n8 serialtty=ttyS2"
[06:14] <persia> Kamondelious, You'll need to have some upstart job that generates a getty on ttyS2.  jasper-initramfs should generate one on first boot if you're using that sort of image, and passed the console= on first boot.  If not, you can probably get one with a quick copy&edit of e.g. /etc/init/tty5.conf
[06:18] <Kamondelious> persia, ahhh ok thanks
[06:27] <Kamondelious> and I'm in, awesome, thanks again persia
[06:30] <persia> There may be a few other things you have to adjust in a similar vein: maverick is really focused on the desktop/laptop use case.  There's a few things in progress for Natty that ought make it simpler (like automatic provision of getty on serial consoles)
[06:33] <Kamondelious> like how the kernel can't find the driver for my usb wifi dongle now?
[06:34] <persia> No, that's likely a general problem.  I doubt the kernel has that driver for any environment/architecture.  Please file a bug with `ubuntu-bug linux` and report as much about the dongle as you can.
[06:34] <Kamondelious> it's been working fine for the past couple weeks
[06:35] <Kamondelious> =(
[06:35] <persia> On an Ubuntu system?
[06:35] <Kamondelious> yeah
[06:36] <persia> Very odd.  That really oughtn't happen.  Did you recently get a kernel upgrade?
[06:36] <Kamondelious> not unless it did it by itself
[06:37] <persia> You would have at least been advised (needs your password).
[06:38] <Kamondelious> I did an upgrade a few days ago, but the system's been rebooted a few times since then
[06:39] <persia> It ought to have shown up the first time, if it was a regression.
[06:39] <Kamondelious> indeed
[06:39] <Kamondelious> kernel hasn't changed
[06:44] <Kamondelious> hmm
[06:45] <Kamondelious> now the wifi dongle doesn't even show up under lsusb
[06:45] <Kamondelious> that's really odd
[06:45] <Kamondelious> the other devices are there, maybe the wifi dongle died
[06:45] <Kamondelious> that would suck
[06:46] <persia> Maybe a power thing?  How is it attached?
[06:47] <Kamondelious> powered usb hub
[06:47] <Kamondelious> it's been working great for the last couple weeks
[06:48] <persia> Does a plug/unplug show anything in syslog?
[06:49] <Kamondelious> good question
[06:51] <Kamondelious> but I can't test that tonight, it'll require too much dis-assembly
[06:51] <persia> Well, if you get messages, you probably ended up with it hibernating unexpectedly.  If not, you may want to try in another environment, but I suspect it's gone.
[06:52] <Kamondelious> indeed
[06:52] <Kamondelious> thanks again for your help
[08:52] <sveinse> What is consolekit? It seems its a system for managing permissions and such for logged in users. Am I right?
[08:53] <sveinse> I'm building an embedded system which will run exclusively off daemons/services. Can I be without it? It seems to me that consolekit pops up everywhere...
[08:57] <LetoThe2nd> sveinse: well i've got an embedded system without consolekit.. more than one even, i think. depends on what distribution you are running and what it's supposed to do.
[08:58] <sveinse> LetoThe2nd: maverick
[08:58] <LetoThe2nd> sveinse: mine don't even run ubuntu :P
[08:59] <LetoThe2nd> calling a machine running ubuntu embedded feels rather strange to me anyway ;-)
[08:59] <sveinse> My problem is pulseaudio ATM. Sound worked before the weekend, now I keep getting connection refused
[09:00] <sveinse> LetoThe2nd: Well, that's the choice we made. We found it better to use maverick over OE, since it offers a system more similar to "ordinary"/host linux systems
[09:06] <LetoThe2nd> sveinse: choose whatever you like, it's your project ;-) i just wanted to point out that i personally don't consider ubuntu being something worth calling embedded, for it brings all that stuff that i don't want to see there or that wouldn't fit into flash anyway (like all that funky gizmo-stuff that you are at the moment struggling with) :-)
[09:06] <LetoThe2nd> sveinse: therefore - sorry, can't help you with that one.
[09:18]  * hrw will seek for sponsor to get flash-kernel with efika support into archive
[09:19] <hrw> writing patch and waiting for merge is just waste of time
[09:56] <hrw> ogra_: flash-kernel is still somewhere on a list?
[09:56] <ogra_> hrw, indeed
[09:57] <ogra_> i'll try to get to it this week
[09:57] <hrw> thx
[09:57] <ogra_> i think i'll skip the merge and just apply the waiting patches though
[09:57] <hrw> I have to dig patch from lp again...
[09:57] <ogra_> there is nothing overly important in debian we need
[09:57] <ogra_> i am subscribed to all the bugs
[09:59] <hrw> I want to upgrade kernel on efika - flash-kernel started...
[11:03] <ogra_> hrw, are you going to the emdebian sprint ?
[11:04] <hrw> ogra_: yes, Cambridge, UK one
[11:05] <ogra_> i'm looking for a hotel to stay
[11:05] <ogra_> i dont see any options on the wiki
[11:05] <hrw> holiday inn express
[11:05] <ogra_> got a url or so ? i'll book through the travel agent
[11:06] <hrw> http://mapy.google.pl/local_url?q=http://www.expresscambridge.co.uk/&dq=Holiday+Inn+Express&f=q&source=s_q&hl=pl&aq=3&sll=52.214128,0.144882&sspn=0.173124,0.260925&ie=UTF8&rq=1&ev=zi&split=1&z=12&jsv=310c&mpnum=1001&radius=6.64&vps=3&output=js&oi=miw&sa=X&ct=miw_link&cd=1&cad=homepage,cid:18353814746422007578&ei=lpdGTZilJpH6Oaav7O8E&s=ANYYN7k1RadTteoQeE8HTGY63MdSQHmyCQ
[11:06] <hrw> auch
[11:06] <hrw> ogra_: I booked thought agency
[11:06] <ogra_> well, works :)
[11:06] <ogra_> ah, cool
[11:07] <ogra_> so they know it then, thanks
[11:07] <hrw> no problem
[11:08] <hrw> this hotel is nearest to ARM
[11:08] <hrw> and its ~15-20minutes walk
[11:08] <ogra_> good, thought far from downtown then i guess
[11:08] <ogra_> i.e. dinner options are likely not great
[11:08] <hrw> oops. google said 7 minutes even
[11:09] <hrw> ogra_: it is near
[11:09] <hrw> you just need to know shortcut ;D
[11:09] <ogra_> heh, k
[11:09] <ogra_> i'll ask you then
[11:09] <hrw> ogra_: use satellite view
[11:09] <hrw> ogra_: there is a bridge over railway
[11:09] <hrw> and long sidewalk near the water
[11:10] <ogra_> i guess i'll find my way around, first the booking :)
[11:10] <hrw> ;)
[11:11] <hrw> ogra_: so you go to represent ubuntu/arm and me same for linaro
[11:11] <ogra_> likely
[11:11] <ogra_> i'm replacing david
[11:12] <hrw> ok
[11:12] <hrw> I land at 11:40 in luton, then bus to cambridge
[11:12] <hrw> on sunday
[11:12] <hrw> back on saturday 11:20 from STN
[11:12] <ogra_> hmm, i will likely just get a flight to heathrow
[11:13] <hrw> longer trip you will have then
[11:13] <hrw> STN has best connection to cambridge
[11:13] <ogra_> yep
[11:13] <hrw> direct train
[11:14] <ogra_> but no good lufthansa connection to FRA
[11:14] <hrw> use cheaper airline?
[11:14] <ogra_> cheaper ?
[11:14] <ogra_> LH flies me to LHR for 98€ roundtrip
[11:15] <ogra_> even with train thats a cheapo
[11:16] <hrw> ;)
[11:16] <hrw> you have good local airport ;D
[11:17] <hrw> ~curse me
[11:17] <hrw> hotel -> arm is 30-35 minutes by walk. 7 by car :D
[11:17] <hrw> anyway near enough
[11:17] <ogra_> no, when i lived in cologne i had a good local airport
[11:18] <ogra_> it's germanwings home base
[11:18] <hrw> ok
[11:18] <ogra_> they offer CGN->STN for 5€
[11:18] <hrw> ogra_: http://wiki.openembedded.org/index.php/Oedem/2009#Travel will be useful for you
[11:19] <hrw> @ is €?
[11:19] <hrw> switch to de_DE.UTF-8 finally?
[11:20] <ogra_> hmm, i thought i had utf-8 everywhere
[11:21] <hrw> ;D
[11:22] <ogra_> €
[11:22] <ogra_> does it work now ?
[11:23] <hrw> yes
[11:23] <ogra_> AHA
[11:23] <ogra_> oops
[11:23] <ogra_> sorry, caps
[11:25] <ogra_> dunno why there was IRC preset as charset by default
[12:49] <NCommander> ogra: so I poked cjwatson, and thought it over. I agree that your right with a new target and not reusing base (which also lets us break out a new seed easily if we need it). I just think we should call it something else beside 'headless'
[12:49] <ogra> we could extend it to headless-chicken ;)
[12:49] <ogra> make a name suggestion, i'm fine with anything thats descriptive
[12:50] <ogra> its janimo's spec he should make the final call
[12:50] <NCommander> ogra: probably 'ubuntu-cli'. The reason I don't like headless is it could be confused with netboot or LTSP stuff
[12:51] <ogra> i dont see where that would clash name widse
[12:51] <ogra> *wise
[12:53] <ogra> ltsp doesnt have any headless option or anything that would even sound remotely like headless
[12:53] <ogra> i would probably call it ubuntu-minimal-server or so ... but that would clash even more than headless
[12:55] <ogra> the name i'd like most would be ubuntu-core ... but that would clash with a product description mdz works on
[13:03] <janimo> NCommander, any name is fine, headless is used by linaro for their current dev image though
[13:04] <janimo> NCommander, I am wondering whether preinstalled should be in the name for further clarification
[13:04]  * NCommander mutters something about the hardest part of implementing a spec is naming the name things
[13:04] <janimo> as for cli wouldn't that be confused with Mono (CLI) centric build? No need to be overly tesre in naming these images
[13:05] <janimo> NCommander, indeed, that is why I said I am fien with any names but want to get it done, and then polish (naming, etc)
[13:05] <NCommander> personally, both ogra and I wantedto call preinstalled images 'oem', but we nuked that for obvious reasons
[13:05] <janimo> indeed
[13:05] <janimo> I thikn headless-preinstalled is pretty descriptive
[13:06]  * rsalveti agrees
[13:06] <ogra> adding preinstalled will add duplication, preinstalled is in the patch already
[13:06] <ogra> *path
[13:06] <rsalveti> hm, ok then
[13:06] <ogra> damned finger memory
[13:06] <janimo> well but in project names at least in debian-cd
[13:06] <janimo> ubuntu-mid, toc, kubuntu-mobile , ubuntu-netbook are quite nondescriptive imo
[13:07] <janimo> at least this would convey it is preinstalled and not cd and that it is cmd line only
[13:07] <janimo> anyway I'll continue on it today after pathc piloting is over
[13:09] <ogra> imho ubuntu-core would be great, but that would need signoff from mdz
[13:09] <ogra> (since he refers to -core with product stuff)
[13:11] <janimo> core is vague
[13:11] <janimo> so it minimal and standard. headless is clearer imho as it actually says omething about a techincal characteristic - the other can be interpreded very differently
[13:32]  * NCommander would actually would have liked to call it 'base' but that was already taken ...
[13:39] <apw> rsalveti, yo ... how are your CDs ... the .38 kernel seems to be in the i386/amd64 kernel and they are looking good
[13:42] <rsalveti> apw: our latest image is still from friday, so no images to test atm
[13:42] <rsalveti> apw: but let me try the latest deb available
[13:43] <rsalveti> Finished on 2011-01-29 (took 19 hours, 36 minutes, 38.4 seconds)
[13:43] <rsalveti> wow
[13:43] <apw> rsalveti, ?
[13:43] <apw> what took 19 hours?
[13:43] <rsalveti> the latest kernel for armel
[13:43] <rsalveti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.38-1.28/+buildjob/2228976
[13:43] <apw> rsalveti, oh yeah ... thats why we whine when you want new flavours
[13:46] <ogra> rsalveti, thats why i wanted the linaro kernel ... got tired of the whining ;)
[13:46] <rsalveti> :-)
[13:47] <ogra> apw, we're waiting for mvo to fix update-manager before we can attempt a new image build
[13:47] <ogra> he's on it though, should be fixed today
[13:49] <rsalveti> and GrueMaster is also getting his new xm today probably
[13:49] <apw> ogra, heh he is cutting it fine for the freeze :)
[13:49] <ogra> well ...
[13:50] <ogra> having images before the freeze really helps fixing issues :)
[13:50] <apw> rsalveti, so i am assuming this kernel will be as good for you as the ones we hand made and tested late last week... in which case we are planning on this being the alpha-2 kernenl
[13:50] <rsalveti> apw: yeah, should be fine
[14:16] <lilstevi> is there a userspace usb ethernet gadget driver for armel? the kernel level driver for my platform is horribly broken
[16:43] <rsalveti> apw: 2.6.38-1-omap seems to be working fine, the only annoying thing is the call trace for the erratum, that will probably be fixed later
[16:43] <rsalveti> once upstream gets the changes
[16:46] <apw> rsalveti, yeah, nothing major then good :)
[16:46] <rsalveti> yup :-)
[17:02] <GrueMaster> ogra: rsalveti:  alsa-1.0.24 was released today.  http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Changes_v1.0.23_v1.0.24
[17:02] <GrueMaster> UCM is in.
[17:02] <rsalveti> cool
[17:50] <TheUni> GrueMaster: will that make Natty ?
[17:52] <GrueMaster> TheUni: I am hoping it will get pulled in after A2 this week (too late for A2).
[17:53] <TheUni> ok
[17:53] <GrueMaster> I'll hunt down our alsa guy and see.
[17:54] <TheUni> have they figured out a sane way for applications to detect available cards yet?
[17:55] <TheUni> hmm, seems that what ucm is?
[17:59] <GrueMaster> I think UCM is more for a sane way to configure the hardware than through the drivers directly.  For example, the Beagle & Panda boards have audio codecs that contain a lot more connections than are available to the user.  UCM allows you to map the correct ports for the board in userspace so apps (pulseaudio) will just work.
[18:07] <TheUni> GrueMaster: seems there's a serious lack of information. Alsa has provided a changelog and that's all? I have to hope more is coming
[18:10] <ogra> http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/?p=40
[18:10] <ogra> TheUni, ^^^
[18:12] <GrueMaster> It's mostly in alsa-lib.  UCM is mainly an API interface.  Very little is needed at the driver level.
[18:13] <GrueMaster> There is also a utility in alsa-utils, but apps can interface directly with the ucm api in alsa-libs.
[18:46] <sonny80> ubuntu maverick on beagleboard c4: the problem when opens webrowser the system is freezing... i've got  http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/maverick/ubuntu-10.10-r3-minimal-armel.tar.7z an then done  sudo apt-get install xfce4 gdm xubuntu-gdm-theme xubuntu-artwork xserver-xorg-video-omap3
[18:47] <sonny80> canonical image hasn't that problem - browser is working well here
[18:49] <rcn-ee_at_work> sonny80, anything in dmesg during the freeze? are you using swaP?
[18:50] <sonny80> yes i add  swap
[18:50] <rcn-ee_at_work> what web browser?
[18:50] <sonny80> for ex. when watching google maps in firefiox or chrome
[18:51] <rcn-ee_at_work> did you run the script "get_chrome.sh" in /boot/uboot/tools/ (for me it seem's faster then ubuntu's firefox/chrome in the repo's..)
[18:52] <sonny80> i didnt ran this script
[18:52] <sonny80> i think that problem not in the browser
[18:53] <sonny80> cause canonical image working good
[18:53] <rcn-ee_at_work> well, the only difference is the kernel.
[18:53] <sonny80> yes... can you fix the problem? :)
[18:55] <sonny80> that's why i roll back to angstrom
[18:56] <rcn-ee_at_work> sonny80, no idea what the problem actually is, since your 'report' is too limited... i'd say use the "get_chrome.sh" script, compare with the builtin firefox/chrome..
[18:56] <rcn-ee_at_work> then we can go from theire
[18:56] <sonny80> midori had the same problem...
[18:57] <sonny80> ok what step i need to do to help you with testing?
[18:57] <rcn-ee_at_work> run the script... then go to engadget.com, is it smooth?
[18:58] <rcn-ee_at_work> (on my bx/c4/xm running maverick it is..)
[18:59] <sonny80> ok i need to reinstall ubuntu instead angstrom it will be tommorow
[18:59] <rcn-ee_at_work> ah, figured you still had it installed..
[19:00] <sonny80> on angstrom it is really smooth
[19:00] <rcn-ee_at_work> next time you should keep the sd card as is, it's impossible to troubleshoot anything...
[19:01] <rcn-ee_at_work> angstrom is much lighter embedded os.. ubuntu is getting there..
[19:01] <sonny80> can i send you my SD image with troble?
[19:02] <rcn-ee_at_work> why? it sounds like you were using my base maverick image with xfce installed..
[19:02] <sonny80> yep
[19:02] <sonny80> i also try lxde, icewm
[19:02] <rcn-ee_at_work> i'm using the same image today, debugging dspbridge and sgx stuff..
[19:02] <sonny80> the same difficulties
[19:03] <rcn-ee_at_work> lxde pulles in too much gnome last i checked, that'll bog down the system too..
[19:03] <sonny80> xfce is the best choice?
[19:03] <rcn-ee_at_work> sofar in my exeperience yes.. keep it simple the less lib's the easier it is for the beagle..
[19:04] <sonny80> ok... another question - is it possible to have 24 bit color depth on beagleboard c4 via DVI out?
[19:05] <sonny80> 16 bit is looking not perfect
[19:05] <rcn-ee_at_work> sure, but it'll take more cpu cycles...
[19:05] <rcn-ee_at_work> the neon unit is currently doing the work..
[19:06] <sonny80> ok... i heard that SGX cannot work with more than 16 bit is it true?
[19:07] <rcn-ee_at_work> doesn't matter, for 2d graphics the SGX on the omap3 is actually slower then the neon..
[19:07] <sonny80> hmm... interesting
[19:08] <sonny80> ok tommorow i will give you detailed information of my problem
[19:09] <rcn-ee_at_work> other thing to check, speed of sd card on the beagle.. "sudo hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0p2"
[19:09] <sonny80> ok
[19:09] <sonny80> wget http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:81/dl/updates/omap-image-builder/tools/setup_sdcard.sh is it neccesarry to run it?
[19:10] <rcn-ee_at_work> are you building the image manually then?
[19:11] <rcn-ee_at_work> (the script set's up the correct clock speed, in this case your c4 might only be running at 500Mhz vs 720..)
[19:11] <sonny80> i repeat step by step instructions from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
[19:11] <rcn-ee_at_work> that's fine, the manual step by step is the same as the script..
[19:12] <sonny80> thank you! tomorrow will be next questions
[19:22] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: Does xloader/uboot for omap4 support the different sysboot modes on the panda?  Was wondering if I could configure a different boot mode for experimenting.
[19:26] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: that depends on what you'd like to do
[19:26] <rsalveti> and how are you planning to boot your panda
[19:27] <GrueMaster> I was hoping that I could configure mode 1101 (UART/MMC1).  Right now it is configured for 101 (USB/MMC1).
[19:29] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: you can, but then you need to write the x-loader and u-boot with uart
[19:29] <GrueMaster> (would be easier if the board used 0ohm resistors).
[19:29] <rsalveti> like we have for beagle
[19:30] <rsalveti> I believe someone already did the work to boot from usb
[19:30] <rsalveti> using micro usb
[19:30] <GrueMaster> Ok, so not currently supported.  That's what I needed to know.
[19:33] <rsalveti> well, probably need some dev to make it work
[19:33] <rsalveti> but possible, for sure
[19:34] <GrueMaster> I'll explore it later, after A2.
[19:34] <rsalveti> and why uart? guess usb should also work fine for you
[19:35] <GrueMaster> automation.
[21:09] <nicofs> is anyone familiar with rootstock? i try to build a xubuntu rootfs but it always stalls setting up xulrunner...
[21:40] <topfs2> nicofs: I have seen this also, not sure why it happens though
[21:48] <rcn-ee_at_work> nicofs, on x86 right? it's qemu crashing..
[21:49] <nicofs> rcn-ee_at_work, but why is it doing that to me?!?
[21:49] <rcn-ee_at_work> it does it to everyone on x86 since lucid... run it on your target arm board and it'll work fine. .;)
[21:55] <topfs2> rcn-ee_at_work: lol, and it will take 100 times longer most likely :D
[21:55] <topfs2> I'm guessing it is of no diff on x64?
[21:55] <rcn-ee_at_work> actually my igepv2 is faster then my quad 64bit on building rootstock.. ;)
[21:56] <topfs2> haha
[21:57] <rcn-ee_at_work> it's native armv7a vs emulated armv7a.. .;)
[21:57] <topfs2> oh right
[21:57] <rcn-ee_at_work> and with thumb stuff thrown in for extra fun.. ;)
[21:57] <topfs2> I thought rootstock just downloaded and installed, didn't realize it had to actually do any arm stuff
[21:58] <nicofs> rcn-ee_at_work, if my target arm board had any internet - no problem
[22:33] <Amiga492> Hi guys, I followed the steps here exactly to boot Ubuntu on Panda; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall, but when it boots, I get stuck at "Enabling additional executable binary formats binfmt-support" on serial terminal, nothing over DVI on monitor though.  Any ideas?
[22:48] <Aureusz> Hi ! :) I'm on this page right now : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/DeviceSupport and wondering what you guy would recommend for an arm notebook. There was a lot of stuff presented in CES 2011 so perhaps there are some models you heard of that run ubuntu Flawlessly ? I'm always on the move and I'd like to be able to write code for hours without charging power :)
[22:52] <persia> Aureusz, I've seen folk walking around with Ubuntu on the Sharp Netwalker, Genesi Efika MX, and Toshiba ac100.  For all of these, it seems some tweaking of kernels is required.
[22:54] <Aureusz> I dont mind tweaking kernel, but honsetly, if theres a model that handles things perfectly with an arm ubuntu image... it's better ;p
[23:01] <Amiga492> anyone know why I'd get stuck at "Enabling additional executable binary formats binfmt-support" on 10.10 boot on Panda?
[23:08] <persia> Aureusz, There's talk about having some for Natty, but I haven't seen anyone commit to one yet.
[23:15] <Aureusz> persia, thanks for you answers, I read also that some machines are coming. most would be tablets I think, interesting anyway :)  gn
[23:17] <ka6sox> or bookreaders
[23:17] <persia> ka6sox, What's the difference between a bookreader and a tablet?
[23:18] <ka6sox> persia, what the manuf loads on them.
[23:18] <persia> And if we consider that the goal is to ignore that, and install Ubuntu on everything?
[23:18] <ka6sox> otherwise...from a hardware standpoint? (well at least the Nook)
[23:18] <ka6sox> not a bit of difference
[23:19] <ka6sox> persia, I"m moving my nook color from Android to Ubuntu....slowly because I'm so busy with the FOSS project I work on :(
[23:19] <persia> I suppose one might make a bookreader that was a convertible or a wearable or some such, but yeah, my thought is that "tablet" is a device category and "bookreader" is an application.
[23:20] <ka6sox> persia, right...
[23:20] <persia> ka6sox, Your earlier work on that inspired me to go look up the specs, but it didn't seem to be quite enough, for me (but then, I'm generally not a tablet person)
[23:20] <ka6sox> since I can probably get a kindle or nook app that runs on most things.
[23:20] <ka6sox> persia, its CHEAP....and works well.
[23:21] <ka6sox> its not a 10" device however.
[23:21] <persia> ka6sox, Indeed, but it has to be *better* than my Netwalker to replace it in my pocket.
[23:21] <ka6sox> true
[23:21] <persia> And it's close, but not quite better (but lots cheaper, and better as a new purchase for folk who like tablets)
[23:21] <ka6sox> for now I was looking @ how to do porting...especially of Android devices to Linux.
[23:22] <persia> Well, the quick'n'dirty way is to just boot the Android kernel and an Ubuntu userspace.
[23:22] <persia> But one usually finds one needs to tweak the kernel a bit afterwards.
[23:23] <ka6sox> thats my first approximation...if I ever get time to make this stupid initramfs.
[23:23] <persia> The ideal way is to add any necessary hardware support patches to the Ubuntu kernel, and then have a kernel flavour that can be used with Ubuntu on the device.
[23:23] <ka6sox> not sure if the patches are mainline yet...and BN didn't separate out "patches" it was a source dump off a Windows Machine.
[23:26] <persia> That's unfortunately common.  The monolithic patch is usually extracted by diffing against mainline for the reported version, and then one breaks down the components by inspection, and tries to port them to current trunk.
[23:49] <ka6sox> persia, I'd LOVE to do that if we could figure out what they started with.


[08:06] <darkxst> mgedmin, try boot passing systemd.log_level=debug as a kernel param, that should make logind provide more info on what is going on with your suspend issues
[08:07]  * mgedmin will keep it in mind
[08:07] <mgedmin> (I now need to find a way to reproduce the issue, since a reboot fixes it)
[08:07] <mgedmin> can logind's debug level be changed at runtime?
[08:08] <darkxst> not that I'm aware of
[08:09] <darkxst> but maybe you can edit unit and restart the service?
[08:10] <darkxst> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-March/010004.html
[08:11] <darkxst> no idea if that works still though
[08:16] <darkxst> mgedmin, anyway probably fine to reassign to systemd
[08:20] <darkxst> mgedmin, obviously logind switch from being a wrapper to the real thing, with systemd init changes
[17:12] <Snoop> Hello
[17:12] <Snoop> Excited Gnome USer here
[17:13] <Snoop> Whats new in the Vivid Vervet Gnome Version?
[20:19] <hubx> hi there, upgraded to 15.04 and gnome 3.16 (gnome3-staging ppa) today. had to manually install gir1.2-gweather-3.0, gnome-shell complained about Gjs-WARNING **: JS ERROR: Error: Requiring GWeather, version none: Typelib file for namespace 'GWeather' (any version) not found
[20:19] <hubx> but so far gnome 3.16 works like a charm. thanks!
[21:07] <amari> Is this ppa official for gnome 3.16 in vivid? https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3-staging
[21:13] <amari> anyone?
[21:19] <dxerf> hi
[21:47] <dxerf> anyone around?
[21:47] <dxerf> silly question but is it possible to get the screensaver back in gnome-shell?  It just goes to a blank screen but I'd like to have xscreensaver run
[22:01] <darkxst> dxerf, no, gnome-shell uses its own screensaver (it shouldnt be black though)
[22:02] <darkxst> are you using gdm?
[22:13] <dxerf> darkxst:  I am
[22:13] <dxerf> it looks like it goes to just a lock screen and then goes blank
[22:14] <darkxst> ah yes, that is right, you can probably disable the blanking
[22:14] <dxerf> ah ok
[22:14] <dxerf> why doesn't gnome have other screensavers available?
[22:14] <darkxst> you can't change/use a traditional screensaver though
[22:15] <darkxst> don't know
[22:15] <dxerf> okay...
[22:15] <dxerf> d'oh!
[22:16] <dxerf> it's a silly/simple question...i figure screensaver isn't on the highest priority list...just curious why the community decided to not use xscreensaver
[22:18] <darkxst> dxerf, the lock screen is internal to gnome-shell, to get a consistent UI etc
[22:18] <dxerf> aaahhhh
[22:18] <dxerf> okay
[22:22] <darkxst> I think Ubuntu do something similar these days, except their lock screen is drawn by lightdm


[12:31] <Vuen> ls
[12:31] <Vuen> argh wrong window
[01:00] <corevette> what would this mean: warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using one of the 32 headers found in section <IP_ADDRESS> of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the <X> header for the <X.h> header for C++ includes, or <iostream> instead of the deprecated header <iostream.h>. To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated.
[01:09] <Vuen> hey all, how do i disable a user from being shown in the login list?
[01:09] <Vuen> nevermind, got it
[01:11] <Vuen> wait, no, i haven't got it. the "hidden users" list in login manager settings doesn't seem to work
[01:11] <Vuen> i suppose i should mention i'm on kubuntu
[01:17] <Vuen> anyone know where Login Manager in System Settings saves its settings?
[01:46] <DanaG> Yay:  ACPI: Allow custom DSDT tables to be loaded from initramfs
[01:47] <DanaG> (changelog from .22-9 kernel.  I don't need the feature, but I remember seeing a bug from people who do need it.)
[01:51] <DanaG> Heh, I read telepathy-sofiasip as telepathy-sonofasip.
[02:26] <pwnguin> hey, what's that multi display tool called?
[02:30] <StarScream> hey guys, running one of the daily builds for gutsy ppc. I'm a getting a  /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off error on boot. Is this common and is there  a known work around ?
[02:31] <StarScream> i know ppc isn't supported but launchpad seems indicate this is not ppc specific
[02:31] <StarScream> however it doesn't seem to list a fix in the threads that i found.
[03:00] <holzmodem> hi, every time i load a webpage with integrated flash with konqueror, the cpu load goes to 100% and konqueror hangs. it is the nspluginviewer. how can i solve it?
[03:08] <OSUKid7> holzmodem: I think I'm having a similar issue... I'm running ubuntu gutsy x86_64, and whenever I interact with a flash object in Firefox, firefox freezes
[03:09] <DanaG> WTF?  In this game, alien-arena, my view immediately moves to pointing straight up, and won't go back down.
[03:10] <Amaranth> nspluginviewer is the problem
[03:10] <Amaranth> The fix is 'Why are you using 64-bit?'
[03:10] <holzmodem> firefox works great with flash, it konqueror
[03:10] <DanaG> Oh, and sdl is absolutely devouring my CPU.
[03:12] <OSUKid7> lol, firefox definitely doesn't work great with flash here :\
[03:13] <OSUKid7> Amaranth: so, if nspluginviewer is the problem, any solution minus ditching 64-bit?
[03:13] <Amaranth> Try gnash? :)
[03:14] <DanaG> Argh.
[03:14] <crdlb> :)
[03:17] <DanaG> Oh, I see.... ALLLLLL mouse movements are being interpreted as moving up.
[03:17] <DanaG> That's dumb.
[03:17] <DanaG> Er, I mean, all vertical ones.
[03:17] <DanaG> Horizontal still works.
[03:19] <DanaG> Okay, so up is up+up, down is up, left is left+up, right is right+up.
[03:23] <DanaG> For example, I can't turn in place unless I also press down at the same time.
[03:23] <flaccid> i would like to upgrade to gutsy
[03:24] <flaccid> just update sources.list and dist-upgrade
[03:24] <flaccid> or is there some guide
[03:37] <DanaG> It's kinda' hard to play a game when you keep moving forward uncontrollably.
[03:38] <tehk> Is compiz working for anyone?
[03:38] <tehk> I get a segfault when I start it up with 'compiz --replace'
[03:57] <piao> hi, is any body use xubuntu gutsy?
[04:00] <piao> i found if you click show Desktop button and any task on taskbar again and again, then the desktop forzen
[04:03] <piao> any body here.
[04:04] <pschulz01> Greetings
[04:05] <poningru> yarr
[04:06] <pschulz01> I am attempting to run Gutsy up in VMware ESX server (64bit). Has anyone reported problems with this? I'm getting the following error - "Your CPU does not support long mode. Use a 32bit distribution"
[04:06] <pschulz01> I didn;t have any problem with the 64bit Feisty.
[04:29] <teratoma> does compiz work in gutsy yet ?
[05:04] <User748> Hi is this channel for support?
[06:39] <marek`> have anyone successfully used gps bluetooth hardware
[06:39] <marek`> with gutsy
[06:48] <DanaG> WTF?  All my animations have reset!
[06:48] <DanaG> AAaaargh!
[06:48] <DanaG> If I didn't know better, I'd think I was in Windows.
[06:49] <flaccid> animations reset in windows?
[06:49] <crdlb> no you're testing an alpha :)
[06:49] <flaccid> what animations
[06:49] <DanaG> In compiz-fusion.
[06:49] <DanaG> I used to have certain animations set, and now it's all been reset.
[06:49] <flaccid> its beta software
[06:49] <DanaG> And now I can't figure out how to set it how it was, because names have been replaced with numbers.
[06:50] <DanaG> I'd expect things to be broken (as in crashing or having missing symbols), but I wasn't expecting the _upstream_ compiz-fusion to break things so horribly.
[06:50] <crdlb> upstream compiz-fusion is alpha too
[06:50] <flaccid> id expect anything with non-prod software
[06:51] <DanaG> But still, you'd think the creators would notice that "10" and "11" and "2" are NOT very good NAMES for animations.
[06:51] <RAOF> And the guys behind fusion hardly have a reputation for not breaking things.
[06:51] <crdlb> that's called a bug
[06:51] <DanaG> At the very least, they should give a TABLE with mappings.
[06:51] <RAOF> Well, that's what you get for using a git snapshot.
[06:52] <DanaG> Is there anywhere to dig up the old deb?
[06:54] <flaccid> you are using your bug is replicated by the devs
[06:54] <flaccid> using=assuming
[06:55] <RAOF> Oh, yes it is.
[06:56] <DanaG> I wouldn't mind the resetting as much if I could figure out what it is now set to.... but the numbers are just cryptic.
[06:56] <DanaG> Is there anywhere I can find a list mapping numbers to types?
[06:56] <crdlb> it's a *bug*
[07:01] <DanaG> Eeh, I'll just try all the numbers.
[07:01] <DanaG> And test with buddy list in pidgin.
[07:04] <voidmage> hmm
[07:05] <voidmage> i'm starting to get worried about my hard drives.
[07:05] <voidmage> ktorrent keeps reporting finished torrents getting corrupted data long after they're done
[07:05] <voidmage> (i use xfs on my /home partition)
[07:05] <StarScream> voidmage: i am sure they are worried about you too =)
[07:05] <StarScream> voidmage: dmesg or  tail -f /var/log/messages
[07:05] <StarScream> see if its spitting I/O errors
[07:06] <StarScream> if its broken, you might get lucky
[07:06] <StarScream> otherwise i'd suggest backing stuff up soon :)
[07:07] <voidmage> Jul 27 23:28:59 phoenix kernel: [   49.164617]  00:08: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
[07:07] <voidmage> that's all i see
[07:07] <voidmage> i'm thinking it's a weird thing in ktorrent
[07:08] <voidmage> yeah, nothing showing up in dmesg in the last few minutes except for marks
[07:09] <DanaG> Try a different app -- such as a Gnome torrent thingy, or Azureus, or even Torrent in Wine.
[07:22] <DanaG> Okay, now I have it set the way I like; however, Firefox makes its tooltips appear as type "Menu".
[07:23] <crdlb> DanaG, workarounds plugin enabled?
[07:23] <DanaG> Lemme check.
[07:24] <DanaG> I can't find the plugin, actually.  It's not visible in ccsm.
[07:24] <crdlb> hmm must not be in your snapshot yet
[07:25] <DanaG> I'm now using the official Gutsy version, since 3v1n0 versions broke things.
[07:29] <voidmage> i've noticed something weird in kde, don't think it's compiz related
[07:29] <voidmage> but firefox likes to steal focus and pop itself to the front
[07:32] <stdin> I've seen that too, it's strange actually because it doesn't gain focus (ie: the window isn't selected) but it pops up to the front
[07:32] <stdin> happens with kwin and compiz
[07:32] <voidmage> ah
[07:33] <Tm_T> stdin: have you checked your kwin settings?
[07:33] <Tm_T> stdin: I had some mysterious Firefox related settings, "ignore focus stealing prevention"
[07:34] <stdin> Tm_T: let me have a look, I haven't touched the settings so I'll have a look
[07:36] <Tm_T> stdin: kcontrol is your friend btw, that systemsettings is, well, weird a bit
[07:36] <stdin> Tm_T: it has focus stealing prevention set to "Force" "None"
[07:37] <voidmage> what about in compiz though?
[07:37] <Tm_T> stdin: exactly, disavle that setting?
[07:37] <Tm_T> b
[07:37] <stdin> actually, it seems ok in compiz now, I hadn't used it in a while
[07:38] <voidmage> disable that?
[07:39] <stdin> when it's disabled, the window is still risen, but now it doesn't get put on top of others
[07:41] <stdin> it also works if I change the "None" to anything else
[07:57] <crackerbox> hey guys
[07:57] <crackerbox> MrSno... are you here/alive?
[07:59] <crackerbox> in a script, what does <&3 refer to?
[07:59] <stdin> takes input from file descriptor number 3
[08:00] <crackerbox> printf "uname -r:\n" >&3
[08:00] <crackerbox> and that?
[08:00] <crackerbox> that is the context
[08:01] <stdin> prints "iname -r:" and a new line to file descriptor number 3
[08:02] <crackerbox> is file descriptor number 3 specified somewhere?
[08:02] <RAOF> I think fd 3 is stderr, isn't it?
[08:02] <RAOF> Or maybe stdin.
[08:02] <crdlb> 0 is in, 1 is out, and 2 is err
[08:02] <crdlb> iirc
[08:03] <stdin> fd0 is stdin fd1 is stdout and fd2 is stderr
[08:03] <RAOF> Yeah, not thinknig right.
[08:03] <DanaG> Oh yay, aptitude is segfaulting.
[08:03] <crackerbox> can someone summerize what fd3 does?
[08:04] <stdin> nope, it could be anything, depends what is assigned to it
[08:04] <crackerbox> oh.
[08:04] <crackerbox> i think what im trying to do is not doable
[08:04] <DanaG> Why are there never any changelogs for g++ and gcc and cpp and gij?
[08:05] <stdin> what are you trying to do? :p
[08:05] <crackerbox> use bash to set a variable equal to the name of the video card
[08:05] <crackerbox>   LC_ALL=C lspci | grep 'VGA compatible controller:' >&3
[08:06] <DanaG> Oh, I see..... I had another Aptitude open at the "Press enter to continue".
[08:06] <crdlb> use ``
[08:06] <crackerbox>   LC_ALL=C lspci -n | grep 'Class 0300:' >&3
[08:06] <crdlb> or $()
[08:06] <RAOF> $() is preferred; you can nest them :)
[08:06] <crdlb> VIDCARD = $(lspci|grep 'VGA')
[08:06] <crdlb> yeah :P
[08:06] <stdin> crackerbox: just redirect to /dev/null
[08:07] <stdin> in that case >&3 seems to do nothing much
[08:08] <DanaG> I'd actually think the behavior would be undefined -- you might end up overwriting some other file opened by the process.
[08:08] <DanaG> At least, I'd imagine such.
[08:08] <stdin> it would probably just fail
[08:08] <crackerbox> arg
[08:09] <Xemanth> aargh
[08:09] <stdin> stdin@goten:~$ echo 1 >&3
[08:09] <stdin> bash: 3: Bad file descriptor
[08:09] <Xemanth> i get same error
[08:09] <voidmage> oh wait
[08:09] <voidmage> i figured out why the corrupt data thing was coming up
[08:10] <voidmage> i retagged it and ktorrent doesn't recognize it anymore
[08:10] <voidmage> :P
[08:13] <crackerbox> ok here is what i get... when i type:
[08:13] <crackerbox> lspci | grep 'VGA compatible controller:'
[08:14] <crackerbox> i get: 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 405 (rev a2)
[08:15] <crackerbox> isnt there a way to use something like " | sed -e 's/Serial Number: //' " to shorten the output?
[08:18] <stdin> what do you want the output to be?
[08:18] <crackerbox> GeForce 6100
[08:19] <crdlb> err that would be quite difficult
[08:19] <crackerbox> before i used this:
[08:19] <crackerbox> SERIAL0=$(cat /proc/scsi/usb-storage/* | grep Serial | sed -e 's/Serial Number: //')
[08:19] <RAOF> Sed does regex, right :)
[08:19] <crackerbox> so tell me the serial number of my usb stick
[08:19] <crackerbox> so = to
[08:21] <crackerbox> what im trying to do would probably not be smiled upon
[08:22] <crackerbox> basically, the part in casper_bottom that configures x with "casper-reconfigure /root xserver-xorg" is blocking the automatic usage of nvidia or ati cards
[08:23] <DanaG> Woah, I just crashed compiz by holding ctrl-alt-s.
[08:23] <stdin> try "|awk '{print $7" "$8}' "
[08:23] <stdin> crackerbox: ^
[08:24] <crackerbox> so if i take that 20xconfig out of casper_bottom (which is in the initrd.gz of the gusty live CD) and use a pre existing xorg.conf file that specifically has the correct video card listed, and my video drivers are already installed into the liveCD's file system and kernel... the live CD works with full nvidia 3d support from boot....
[08:25] <crackerbox> only problem is now i want to be able to expand it and allow it to use ati or detect intel GPUs if present
[08:25] <crackerbox> so the first step is detecting the video card, and then running the correct installation scripts
[08:26] <crackerbox> let me ask this...
[08:26] <crackerbox> isnt there a debconfig program that automatically sets up xorg.conf ??
[08:27] <crackerbox> and can that be used to detect the video card and update the config file without user interaction?
[08:27] <stdin> crackerbox: if you want to detect the make first, use "lspci |grep VGA|grep Nvidia" to detect an nvidia cards, changing it to ATI and Intel to detect the others, then you can get more specific after
[08:29] <DanaG> wtffff????? osssssssssomehooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwsloooooooowwwwwkeysss oooogotttttttte  nnnnnnnnnnbaabllllllleeeeeeeddddddd
[08:29] <DanaG> Do you want to activate Slow Keys?
[08:30] <crackerbox> what about "dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive --no-reload "$package"
[08:30] <DanaG> yyyyyyyyyyyyooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu kkkkkknnnnnowww, iiiiiiiitttttttt rrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeelaaaaaaaaaaallllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyy         sssssssssohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhoooullllllddddddddnnnnnnnnnn'''''tttttttttt   eeeeeeennnnnnnnnbbbaaaaaaabbbbbblllleeeeee iiiiiiiiittttttttt  unless you tell it to activate it!
[08:30] <voidmage> weird, some emerald theme i used is gone
[08:31] <crackerbox> stdin... should there be some quotes in that line you posted?
[08:31] <DanaG> Try this: hold shift for a while, and watch as your keyboard seemingly breaks -- especially if you press escape.
[08:32] <stdin> crackerbox: just append everything inside the the quotes to the end, like: lspci | grep VGA | grep nVidia  (the case of nVidia matters unless you use "grep -i nvidia"
[08:32] <DanaG> wttttttttttffffffffff/////////////////////////////////////////?????????????????????
[08:35] <crackerbox> when i do: "lspci | grep VGA | grep -i ati" i will get into trouble because it wants to output "compatible" which has ati in it
[08:35] <crdlb> so don't use -i
[08:35] <stdin> crackerbox: the "ati" would be uppercase with ait cards
[08:35] <crackerbox> nice
[08:36] <stdin> crackerbox: or use -w with grep
[08:36] <stdin> crackerbox: like " lspci|grep VGA|grep -Ewo '(Intel|ATI|nVidia)' "
[08:36] <stdin> that should wither print "Intel", "ATI" or "nVidia"
[08:36] <stdin> dependind on the card
[08:37] <crackerbox> now thats good stuff
[08:41] <crackerbox> now the harder part is extracting the actual cards model number
[08:43] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/41427
[08:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41427 in Ubuntu ""slow keys" can turn on surreptitiously & cause confusion." [Medium,Incomplete]
[08:44] <crackerbox> i think i will have to use grep and sed together
[08:46] <stdin> crackerbox: yeah, this works: " lspci | grep VGA|awk -F: '{print $3}'|sed 's/ [a-Z] * Corporation // ; s/(.*)//g' " at least for nvidia and intel
[08:49] <crackerbox> is there something like a grep / awk guide for dummies out there?
[08:49] <crackerbox> cause i would much rather learn to fish than be handed fish, you know
[08:49] <crackerbox> although that is some nice fish
[08:49] <crackerbox> thanks, btw
[08:50] <stdin> the advanced bash scripting guide is nice: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[08:51] <stdin> also: man awk , man sed , man grep. and #bash :p
[08:51] <stdin> it's quite a big subject and experimentation is the best way to learn it
[08:55] <crackerbox> thanks
[08:58] <crackerbox> do you know about "dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive --no-reload xserver-xorg" ?
[08:59] <crackerbox> unfortuently, that just gives me "Identifier	"Generic Video Card""
[08:59] <crackerbox> in xorg.conf
[09:00] <crackerbox> i wonder what i need to do to have it automatically detect?
[09:00] <stdin> I don't know much about that
[09:03] <crackerbox> is there a way to add lines of text to a deb config (at a specific place) from bash?
[09:04] <crackerbox> in xorg.conf under the section: Section "Device" ... i would need to add the line: "Driver		"nvidia""
[09:05] <crackerbox> i seem to recall something from casper_bottom... hold on
[09:05] <crackerbox> chroot /root debconf-communicate -fnoninteractive casper > /dev/null <<EOF
[09:05] <crackerbox> set xserver-xorg/autodetect_keyboard true
[09:07] <crackerbox> FSET xserver-xorg/autodetect_video_card seen true
[09:07] <crackerbox> that might be the ticket right there
[09:08] <crackerbox> that is taken from this blog: http://worka.blogspot.com/2006/02/xorg-auto-configuration-in.html#links
[09:16] <databuddy> gah
[09:16] <databuddy> what is it on the install cd's that autoboots>?
[09:16] <Hobbsee> live?  alternate?
[09:19] <databuddy> oh i think this one is live
[09:19] <databuddy> see
[09:19] <databuddy> i got my hdd's on the cable on the mobo
[09:19] <databuddy> and my opticals on the extension card - pci controller
[09:19] <databuddy> problem is my bios doesnt see drives on the card
[09:19] <databuddy> they can be used once booted but not till then.
[09:19] <databuddy> now i managed to install grub in my thumbdrive - so thats good
[09:19] <databuddy> and i can swap them eventually
[09:20] <databuddy> but im not enterprizing enough atm - and i was kinda wondering how i could use my thumbdrive to boot the cd instead
[09:20] <databuddy> neh?
[09:20] <databuddy> [i wanna do an install]
[09:20] <databuddy> is it the isolinux in the isolinux folder?
[09:21] <databuddy> or can i just do a chainload for the cdrom? and if so can i define by device?
[09:23] <databuddy> oo or in that install directory that sbm.bin - can i just move that to the grub dir somehow?
[09:25] <DanaG> One thing funny on SuSE's isolinux: try pressing F8 on the boot menu.
[09:26] <DanaG> Pixels start marching around to make the shape of the chameleon logo.
[09:29] <crackerbox> hmmm it looks like r-m (restricted manager) is doing some dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg magic
[09:30] <DanaG> I'd love to see that funny effect with the Ubuntu logo on the Ubuntu isolinux.
[09:43] <crackerbox> can i call a py script from rcS?
[09:48] <asisak> crackerbox: in theory why not?
[09:49] <asisak> however, if you don't want to run a "real" init script, /etc/rc.local is for user scripts
[09:49] <asisak> re johnnybuoy
[09:50] <johnnybuoy> re
[09:53] <crackerbox> im not running a user script
[09:54] <crackerbox> this script will automatically configure xserver-xorg in the liveCD to detect and enable restricted drivers automatically
[10:43] <databuddy> gah
[10:43] <databuddy> i cant get a cdrom to b0ot from grub ;_;
[10:47] <Xemanth> is that possible?
[10:47] <Xemanth> to boot cdrom from grub
[10:48] <Hobbsee> ...why would you *want* to boot the cdrom from grub?
[10:48] <Xemanth> is it possible to boot usb stick from grub? :P
[10:49] <Hobbsee> Xemanth: assuming all the required stuff was on the usb stick, yes.
[10:50] <Xemanth> hmm-m thats nice
[10:51] <Hobbsee> and assuming that you had the correct grub config
[10:55] <databuddy> Xemanth: yes
[10:55] <databuddy> its possible to do both
[10:55] <databuddy> but problem is grub doesnt see the device
[10:56] <databuddy> i think i need to boot to stick_dos >> cd
[10:56] <databuddy> b/c eventually im gonna swap em back
[10:56] <databuddy> i only have one pata slot on my mobo and it doesnt see the disks connected via ide controller card so atm its rather borked
[10:57] <databuddy> meh i just realized its like 4 hrs past my bedtime as im getting up in as many hrs +.5
[10:57] <databuddy> so im gonna go to bed.
[10:57] <databuddy> but this is my project this week.
[10:57] <databuddy> i may just have to put cdrom and hdd on same cable so i have SOME bootable cdrom and hdd at the same time.
[10:57] <databuddy> which sux royally.
[10:57] <databuddy> anyway ninie
[10:59] <Hobbsee> like when normally installing ubuntu
[11:03] <databuddy> it.wont.see.it.right.now.
[11:03] <databuddy> bios limitation
[11:03] <databuddy> whatever drives are connected to the card are invisible to the bios and thus to grub.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> ah right
[11:03] <Hobbsee> useful
[11:03] <databuddy> wish it were that easy - would have had it going a week ago :P
[11:04] <databuddy> also i need to figure if my hdd can support a third disk on the hdd rails - perhaps i could jsut get some sata drive and plug that into the mobo in the sata slot
[11:04] <databuddy> then i would have another drive that everything could see.
[11:05] <databuddy> but of course i actually have to find the cash to pay for that ~_~
[11:05] <databuddy> i wish there were a way to install to hdd without booting to the cd.
[11:05] <databuddy> once linux is booted it sees all the drives tho =/
[11:05] <databuddy> gah ninie again
[01:48] <IdleOne> this may be a dumb question but I just did a dist-upgrade and tcpdump was upgraded. what I dont understand is why was  http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/main tcpdump 3.9.5-2ubuntu1 [303kB]  used ( feisty repo ) ?
[01:48] <IdleOne> yes I am running gutsy
[01:51] <Pici> IdleOne: Are you sure that all your /etc/apt/sources.list entries are gutsy?
[01:52] <IdleOne> Pici, I havent checked
[01:52] <IdleOne> lemme look
[01:52] <Pici> IdleOne: And apt-cache policy tcpdump  doesnt look weird
[01:53] <IdleOne> sources.list is all feist but I do have a deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Alpha i386 (20070718.1)] / gutsy main restricted in there also.
[01:54] <IdleOne> feisty*
[01:54] <IdleOne> guess I'll delete the cd deb and change all the fiesty to gutsy
[01:55] <Pici> Hm.. You upgraded with the CD and it left your sources.list at feisty level..
[01:55] <IdleOne> yup
[01:55] <IdleOne> seems so
[01:55] <IdleOne> apt-cache output
[01:55] <IdleOne> tcpdump:
[01:55] <IdleOne>   Installed: 3.9.5-2ubuntu1
[01:55] <IdleOne>   Candidate: 3.9.5-2ubuntu1
[01:55] <IdleOne>   Version table:
[01:55] <IdleOne>  *** 3.9.5-2ubuntu1 0
[01:55] <IdleOne>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/main Packages
[01:55] <IdleOne>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[01:55] <IdleOne>      3.9.5-2 0
[01:55] <IdleOne>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[01:56] <IdleOne>         500 cdrom://Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Alpha i386 (20070718.1) gutsy/main Packages
[02:00] <IdleOne> wow changing the repos to gutsy made a big difference.
[02:00] <IdleOne> 321 packages upgraded, 44 newly installed, 9 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:00] <IdleOne> why did the upgrade from CD change sources.list ?
[02:00] <IdleOne> didnt
[02:02] <IdleOne> well upgrade in progress guess I'll go take a shower
[02:09] <Amaranth> IdleOne: file a bug
[02:30] <IdleOne> Amaranth, will doo
[02:30] <IdleOne> do*
[02:37] <IdleOne> Amaranth, bug 129410
[02:38] <ubotu> Bug 129410 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/129410 is private
[02:38] <Amaranth> IdleOne: I have no idea how you managed to file a bug I can't see
[02:38] <Amaranth> I'm in the qa team, these things are supposed to be open to me :)
[02:39] <IdleOne> Amaranth, beats me but it is set private for some reason
[02:39] <Amaranth> set it public
[02:39] <IdleOne> k
[02:40] <Hobbsee> oh waht?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> it's forbidden for me too?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: you filed that, for ubuntu?
[02:42] <IdleOne> yes
[02:42] <Hobbsee> er, under ubuntu?
[02:42] <IdleOne> how do I set it public now?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> see the actions panel
[02:44] <IdleOne> try now
[02:44] <coNP>  bug 129410
[02:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129410 in Ubuntu "Gutsy upgrade from CD not upgrading sources.list" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129410
[02:44] <coNP> you did it, IdleOne  :)
[02:44] <IdleOne> I gotta run. have a good day folks
[02:44] <IdleOne> coNP, I surpirse myself sometimes :P
[02:44] <IdleOne> surprise also
[02:44] <coNP> bye, IdleOne
[02:47] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: you havent mentioned how you did the dist upgrade, hwo you added the cd to sources list, etc.....
[02:47] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: i suggest you fix those kind of things before i hit it with the incomplete stick
[02:47] <Hobbsee> and of course, learning how to spell feisty is always useful, too..
[02:48] <coNP> I am a bit afraid this is not a bug, but a feature.
[02:48] <coNP> Since I am not sure, dist-upgrade is supposed to edit sources.list
[02:48] <coNP> (In contrast to update-manager)
[02:49] <Amaranth> coNP: I thought he ran the autoupdate thing that pops up when you stick in an ubuntu cd
[02:49] <coNP> The only thing mentioned is that he used Synaptic.
[03:15] <mc44> anyone using xchat? the notification bubble for messages doesn't seem to work here
[03:17] <asisak> mc44: sure, you are right.
[03:18] <mc44> asisak: doesn't work for you either?
[03:18] <asisak> mc44: can you send me a private message to test this?
[03:19] <asisak> hmm, maybe a restart is needed
[03:20] <mc44> I get an error about notify-send, but libnotify looks to be installed
[03:20] <asisak> (1) libnotify-bin needs to be installed
[03:20] <asisak> (2) it does not seem to work :(
[03:21] <alex-weej> notification daemon is segfaulting
[03:21] <alex-weej> that's why it doesn't work
[03:21] <alex-weej> no notifications work
[03:21] <asisak> thanks, alex-weej
[03:22] <mc44> aha
[03:22] <asisak> I'll fix xchat, though
[03:22] <mc44> :)
[03:22] <asisak> to depend on libnotify-bin
[03:22] <alex-weej> i don't think you CAN fix xchat, it's doing eveyrthing right
[03:22] <asisak> alex-weej: it needs to depend on the binary
[03:22] <alex-weej> is the notification plugin not built against libnotify?
[03:23] <alex-weej> the "on-screen display" one
[03:23] <asisak> I guess it is not a plugin any more
[03:24] <asisak> mc44: do you want to file a bug? :)
[03:24] <mc44> asisak: I have to er.. run now :p
[03:24] <asisak> okay
[03:25] <praecox> hello guys
[03:25] <praecox> anyone here got an experience with Compiz Fusion on Kubuntu Gutsy (7.10)?
[04:45] <asisak> alex-weej: do you know why notification segfaults?
[04:46] <alex-weej> asisak: no, haven't had time to figure it out
[04:46] <asisak> okay
[04:47] <alex-weej> actually that's a lie
[04:47] <alex-weej> i had a quick look
[04:47] <alex-weej> the problem is in the ubuntu theme so
[04:48] <alex-weej> if you change your gconf /apps/notification-daemon/theme from "ubuntu" to "" it will start working again
[04:49] <asisak> alex-weej: you are righty right, thanks
[04:50] <asisak> btw it is fixed
[04:50] <alex-weej> really?
[04:50] <asisak> mvo did an update
[04:50] <alex-weej> is it in the archives yet?
[04:50] <asisak> only the source is uploaded now
[04:50] <alex-weej> ok
[04:50] <asisak> bug 127925
[04:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127925 in notification-daemon "notification-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in move_notification()" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127925
[04:52] <alex-weej> ah
[04:52] <alex-weej> new tooltips
[04:52] <alex-weej> :@
[04:52] <alex-weej> too dark
[04:52] <alex-weej> and buggy as fuck!
[04:54] <asisak> *works for me*
[05:16] <malnilion> This might very well be a stupid question, but in Feisty if I had a /etc/modprobe.d/sound file with a parameter that let me change which model my sound driver used.  I now have no "sound" file and can't find an alternate location for the paramater.  Anybody have any idea where or how I might find it?
[05:21] <stdin> malnilion: you can probably just make the file
[05:21] <malnilion> Worth a shot, eh?
[05:21] <malnilion> Yeah, if I recall correctly it just had two lines
[05:22] <stdin> I think modprobe just "sources" all the files in /etc/modprobe.d anyway
[05:22] <stdin> the names are just for us humans :p
[05:23] <malnilion> Yeah, the sound file had "alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel" and "options snd-hda-intel model=blah" as I recall
[05:23] <malnilion> And I couldn't find those lines elsewhere.
[05:24] <Tomi-idle> easiest way to install mplayer-plugin on 32bit firefox under amd64?
[05:24] <malnilion> I would guess download the 32bit debs and install via dpkg...
[05:25] <malnilion> But that would be a guess.
[05:25] <Tomi-idle> didn't work :/
[05:26] <Tomi-idle> i'll go seach if the plugins are even i nthe right dir
[05:27] <gnomefreak> plugins for what?
[05:27] <malnilion> 64 bit...that'll be a fun upgrade in a few years ;)
[05:27] <manchicken> Tomi-idle: There's a walk-through in the wiki.
[05:28] <manchicken> Tomi-idle: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:28] <gnomefreak> why not just install nspluginwrapper
[05:29] <gnomefreak> its allows you to use 32 bit plugins with 64 bit system
[05:29] <manchicken> gnomefreak: Really?  You got a doc on how to set that up?
[05:29] <gnomefreak> also IMHO gnash 0.8.0 is better than flash
[05:29] <gnomefreak> !nspluginwrapper
[05:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nspluginwrapper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:29] <gnomefreak> damn
[05:29] <manchicken> gnomefreak: Gnash (any version) causes X to bork with ATI cards.
[05:29] <gnomefreak> no docs yet but it should install them
[05:29] <Tomi-idle> are there speed difference with 32bit plugins on 64bit firefox?
[05:30] <Tomi-idle> or other annoying stuff? :)
[05:30] <gnomefreak> manchicken: is there a bug #? since im one of the contacts :(
[05:30] <manchicken> Tomi-idle: 32-bit plugins will be slower in a 64-bit system.
[05:30] <gnomefreak> Tomi-idle: not that i have heard of or seen
[05:30] <manchicken> gnomefreak: Don't know.  I haven't posted it, I think someone said it was known.
[05:30] <malnilion> Shouldn't be slower than 32-bit plugins on a 32-bit system, though, surely?
[05:31] <manchicken> Running 32 inside of 64 will be slower (though not likely noticeable) because of the compat layer.
[05:31] <gnomefreak> manchicken: i will talk to asac about it once i get -trunk to stop failing to build
[05:31] <manchicken> gnomefreak: Groovy.
[05:31] <gnomefreak> flash == slow as crap anyway
[05:31] <manchicken> gnomefreak: I'm willing to test debs if they have them.
[05:31] <gnomefreak> same with java UI's
[05:31] <manchicken> gnomefreak: Too true.
[05:32] <Tomi-idle> no mplayer plugin info on the wiki
[05:32] <Tomi-idle> flash is working ok though
[05:33] <gnomefreak> manchicken: i just pinged him about it so when he answers my other posts he will answer that one (more than likely with a eh)
[05:33] <gnomefreak> he only has 64bit pcs i know one with ati
[05:35] <manchicken> gnomefreak: If he wants more info, I'm specifically referring to a radeon xpress200m, running xorg drivers.
[05:36] <manchicken> no 3d accel
[05:36] <manchicken> (obviously)
[05:36] <gnomefreak> manchicken: join us in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[05:59] <Tomi-idle> thx for the info on nspluginwrapper
[05:59] <Tomi-idle> got everything working
[06:03] <HEP85> I found a bug: gdm user album stopped working since the upgrade to gutsy
[06:03] <asisak> what do you mean by "gdm user"?
[06:04] <HEP85> I mean some gdm skins allow you to select a username rather than typing it in. and this list disappeared
[06:04] <asisak> HEP85: this might be a theme that is not included any more.
[06:04] <asisak> There are themes with user face lists and ones without.
[06:05] <asisak> You should select (again) one with faces in gdmsetup before reporting a bug.
[06:05] <HEP85> I will try, but I think I already checked that
[06:05] <HEP85> now I selected "Human List"
[06:06] <HEP85> brb
[06:06] <HEP85> empty list
[06:07] <HEP85> any ideas? or is this a known issue?
[06:57] <Nergar> hello
[06:58] <Nergar> i can't find the restricted drivers manager in tribe 3
[07:00] <stdin> restricted-manager ?
[07:01] <Nergar> yes
[07:01] <Nergar> no restricted-manager in System>Preferences
[07:02] <Nergar> also no restricted-manager command
[07:02] <stdin> I don't know then, I use kde :)
[07:35] <PriceChild> wooo rt2500 driver is back in gutsy :)
[07:35] <PriceChild> and working nicely with network manager
[07:57] <aliguori_> after an update this morning, all the fonts are larger than they should be.  It was like this with an initial install of tribe 3 but an update fixed the problem.  Can anyone point me to which package would be the cause of this?
[07:57] <aliguori_> I think it may be Gnome related as apps like Firefox continue to display a normal sized font
[07:59] <aliguori_> hrm, looks like it could be related to #107320
[08:00] <aliguori_> i wonder if xserver-xorg-video-intel got updated...
[08:00] <malnilion> Woo, I just got a pretty sweet crash, but I'm not sure exactly which program caused it...
[08:02] <malnilion> Xserver restarted and the only thing that came up was Firefox had crashed, but I figure that was due primarily to xserver crashing :)
[08:03] <aliguori_> hrm, my dpi is being reported as 75, 75, that's not right.  i just tried an upstream intel driver and the dpi is still wrong so perhaps it's an upstream bug
[08:03] <aliguori_> i wonder why it was working before this morning's update
[08:04] <malnilion> I bet I could narrow my crash down to a couple likely candidates, though.  I had just started FretsOnFire after changing video setting to fullscreen and it died so it could be FoF.  Also, I'm using compiz, so that could also potentially be the cause.
[08:06] <aliguori_> hrm, manually setting the dpi seems to fix things
[08:06] <aliguori_> ah, found the perfect bug, #118745, sorry for the noise :-D
[08:09] <malnilion> Gutsy is remarkably stable for an alpha OS.
[08:09] <Tomi-idle> things go crash boom bang :3
[08:10] <malnilion> Was it a sexy crash? lol
[08:10] <Tomi-idle> it was ok. hope next time a little sexier ;)
[08:21] <Skiessi> how often the repositories are updated?
[08:26] <PriceChild> Skiessi, whenever there's something to update
[08:26] <PriceChild> in gutsy at least
[08:27] <PriceChild> stable releases only get security and severe bugfixes updated
[08:27] <Skiessi> is firefox <IP_ADDRESS> already there?
[08:27] <PriceChild> not yet
[08:28] <PriceChild> be patient and the mozilla team will get it in soon im' sure
[08:32] <asisak> we have firefox already
[08:32] <asisak> in gutsy I mean
[08:40] <malnilion> There are updates practically every hour :)
[08:43] <sayers> What happened to the restricted driver manager?
[08:43] <Skiessi> It's still there >_>
[08:43] <sayers> Skiessi, where?
[08:44] <Skiessi> I don't really know is it in the real gutsy because I'm using gutsy _and feisty repositories
[08:45] <ssam> sayers, system->administration
[08:45] <sayers> ssam, I don't see it there.
[08:46] <ssam> do you have any hardware that needs it? maybe it gets hidden if not
[08:46] <sayers> An Nvidia Geforce 6800
[08:46] <ssam> hmmm
[08:47] <ssam> go to the edit menus program, and see if you can find it in there
[08:47] <sayers> It's not.
[08:47] <malnilion> And it says it's installed?
[08:47] <malnilion> In add/remove?
[08:47] <Skiessi> you have "restricted-manager" -package installed?
[08:48] <sayers> I will check
[08:48] <sayers> I guess not.
[08:50] <malnilion> Did you upgrade?
[08:50] <malnilion> Or fresh install?
[08:50] <Skiessi> if it's not you should installed, you should at least install ubuntu-desktop -package
[08:50] <Skiessi> *if it's not installed*
[08:52] <malnilion> Ah, that reminds me, I need to get vmware up and running again due to the kernel upgrade.
[08:52] <malnilion> You know...
[08:53] <malnilion> I bet I could set it up to be less of a pain in the arse for me.
[08:53] <sayers> Fresh Install
[08:55] <malnilion> Might've been it.  I can never get the Install CDs to work for me.
[08:55] <malnilion> I mean at all.  The fact that he got it installed is good.
[08:58] <sayers> It seems as desktop-effects started up automaticly :(
[09:03] <Skiessi> Appearance Preferences keeps crashing :|
[09:05] <WaxyFresh> when do you guys expect gutsy to be ready for beta testing?that is for people that arnt good with bug fixing dpkg and dependancys?
[09:05] <asisak> WaxyFresh: have a look at the /topic
[09:20] <d4rkmonkey> Hi, I'm trying to update to Gutsy Tribe 3 from Feisty, and I was following the instructions here http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe3. I've checked my update-manager version and I can't seem to find out how to update...
[09:21] <d4rkmonkey> Can anyone help me with this?
[09:26] <jrib> d4rkmonkey: you have feisty-proposed enabled?
[09:27] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, how do I enable it?
[09:27] <jrib> d4rkmonkey: system -> administration -> software sources
[09:27] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, ok, I'll try that
[09:28] <Intel4004> who would be in the know on the Intel ICH7R problem?
[09:28] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, yeah, its enabled
[09:30] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, I have no idea what to do now, do you have any other suggestions that I can try?
[09:31] <jrib> d4rkmonkey: what does 'apt-cache policy update-manager' return?
[09:31] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, one second, I'll get that
[09:32] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, ok if I paste it here since this channel isn't that busy?
[09:32] <jrib> pastebin is better
[09:32] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, ok then
[09:33] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32076/
[09:34] <jrib> d4rkmonkey: yeah, seems like you have the right version then
[09:36] <jrib> d4rkmonkey: does: gksu 'update-manager -d'      not work?
[09:36] <d4rkmonkey> with the '?
[09:37] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, with the ' ?
[09:37] <jrib> yeah
[09:37] <d4rkmonkey> well it starts up, but doesn't give me any option to upgrade to gutsy
[09:38] <hwilde> what version of madwifi is included in gutsy?
[09:38] <hwilde> modinfo ath_pci   if you could
[09:38] <jrib> d4rkmonkey: try pressing the "check" button
[09:38] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, I tried that, still didn't work. I'm gonna try a restart just incase that works...
[09:39] <sayers> Why are all these folders added to my Places . I like them being in the /home/me but I don't want my places list so long.
[09:41] <d4rkmonkey> Nope, restarting didn't help
[09:43] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, do you have any other ideas on how I could fix this?
[09:43] <d4rkmonkey> !
[09:43] <d4rkmonkey> oops, sorry that was meant for somewhere else
[09:43] <jrib> hold on, let me make sure it works here
[09:43] <d4rkmonkey> ok
[09:44] <sayers> http://www.ufridman.com/mac-mouseclick.jpg
[09:44] <sayers> Oops
[09:44] <tonyyarusso> aww, crud
[09:44] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, would changing the server that the update-manager is looking at would help anything?
[09:44] <tonyyarusso> Have I mentioned that I hate ATI?
[09:44] <d4rkmonkey> tonyyarusso, yes.
[09:45] <tonyyarusso> My terminals just all went wonky, so I'm going to need to reboot, again.
[09:45] <d4rkmonkey> tonyyarusso, that sucks...
[09:47] <sayers> So why are these folders added to Places automaticly even though I remove them?
[09:50] <Tomi-idle> use kde ;D
[09:51] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, any luck?
[09:52] <jrib> d4rkmonkey: yep, it says "7.10 is available" at the top and has an "upgrade" button
[09:52] <jrib> when i run:  gksu 'update-manager -d'
[09:52] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, thats weird. what servers are you using? maybe its that... I'm on the Canada servers
[09:53] <jrib> d4rkmonkey: us
[09:53] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, I'll try that
[09:55] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, can you check exactly which server you're using? under US theres a bunch of different servers, can you get me the exact server like mirror.cs.umn.edu or whatever it is?
[09:56] <jrib> how?  where do you want me to look?
[09:56] <d4rkmonkey> in the sources
[09:56] <jrib> my sources just have us.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:56] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, ok thats probably it then
[09:57] <d4rkmonkey> jrib, hmmm I can't find that exactly... I'll try a bunch of random servers
[10:18] <teratoma> does compiz (as in desktop effects) work with Gutsy?
[10:20] <pwnguin> it does for me
[10:20] <pwnguin> or at least, beryl does
[10:20] <pwnguin> i thought they merged back so...
[10:20] <teratoma> is beryl the same thing as compiz ?
[10:20] <pwnguin> basically
[10:21] <pwnguin> beryl was an experimental fork of compiz that merged back recently
[10:22] <d4rkmonkey_> I thought gutsy has compiz-fusion
[10:22] <crdlb> it does
[10:22] <d4rkmonkey_> a mix of compiz and beryl
[10:23] <crdlb> !info compiz-fusion-plugins-main gutsy
[10:23] <ubotu> compiz-fusion-plugins-main: Collection of plugins from OpenCompositing for Compiz. In component main, is extra. Version 0.0.0+git20070725-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 374 kB, installed size 1712 kB
[10:24] <d4rkmonkey> crdlb, do you know how I could go about upgrading to gutsy? I've tried update-manager -d and I checked that I have the version of my update manager, and I made sure that feisty-proposed was enabled, but it still won't work
[10:24] <teratoma> i think whoever works on compiz-fusion left out aiglx/intel support
[10:24] <crdlb> teratoma, they did not
[10:25] <Synthaxx> Isn't the AIGLX support handled by the driver?
[10:25] <teratoma> they did or did not?
[10:25] <teratoma> who do i blame?
[10:25] <Synthaxx> Canada? :)
[10:25] <crdlb> if it's not working, it's either a bug or user error
[10:25] <crdlb> lol
[10:26] <d4rkmonkey> :O Canada rocks :P
[10:26] <Synthaxx> it does indeed
[10:26] <d4rkmonkey> crdlb, I thought it might have been something to do with the server sources or something, but I'm not sure what other servers to use, I'm on the Canadian servers now
[10:27] <crdlb> d4rkmonkey, I have no idea, but I know it's a good idea to be on the main server when running ubuntu+1
[10:34] <pwnguin> d4rkmonkey: isn't it update-manager -c -d?
[10:34] <d4rkmonkey> pwnguin, I ran that too and it didn't work
[10:34] <d4rkmonkey> pwnguin, on the ubunut website it said -d to upgrade to gutsy
[10:34] <pwnguin> i guess thats the old way then
[10:35] <pwnguin> ive heard the non us mirrors arent active till release
[10:36] <d4rkmonkey> pwnguin, I'm on the main server now, shouldn't they be active on that?
[10:50] <pwnguin> d4rkmonkey: don't forget to "update"
[10:50] <pwnguin> though i guess the update manager should take care of that
[10:51] <d4rkmonkey> pwnguin, yeah, I haven't had very much success upgrading to gutsy yet
[10:51] <humbolt> I am trying to upgrade from feisty to gutsy
[10:51] <Tomi-idle> how's it going?
[10:51] <humbolt> but I am getting stuck at the c library upgrade
[10:52] <humbolt> A non-dpkg owned copy of the C library was found in /lib/tls.
[10:53] <humbolt> This is because dpkg can't remove the old libc files without rendering the whole system unusable. It has to overwrite them.
[10:53] <humbolt> but it does not like to
[10:53] <humbolt> not even when forcing in dpkg
[10:59] <d4rkmonkey> when trying to update to gutsy, I get "warning: could not initiate dbus
[10:59] <d4rkmonkey> current dist not found in meta-release file" in the terminal, anyone know how I could fix this and get onto upgrading to gutsy?
[11:09] <humbolt> d4rkmonkey: just ran into the exact same problem.
[11:09] <humbolt> d4rkmonkey: which command did you use?
[11:09] <d4rkmonkey> humbolt, I posted http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3111977#post3111977 but haven't gotten any response yet
[11:10] <geser> d4rkmonkey: can't you just ignore it?
[11:10] <d4rkmonkey> humbolt, gksu 'update manager -d'
[11:11] <d4rkmonkey> I mean gksu 'update-manager -d'
[11:11] <d4rkmonkey> geser, no I can't, it won't upgrade to gutsy.
[11:12] <humbolt> geser: I can confirm that. update-manager does not come up in release upgrade mode.
[11:13] <humbolt> geser: and doing it by hand does not work either due to the libc problem mentioned above!
[11:13] <d4rkmonkey> humbolt, theres some un-supported ways, but I don't want to break my system if I don't need to
[11:14] <geser> I'm running gutsy and I also get "current dist not found in meta-release file" when starting update-manager so this seems normal
[11:14] <d4rkmonkey> geser, I'm not running gutsy yet
[11:14] <d4rkmonkey> geser, I'm still on feisty trying to upgrade
[11:14] <hwilde> !gutsy
[11:14] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[11:16] <d4rkmonkey> hwilde?
[11:16] <geser> isn't there a -c missing in the command? "update-manager -c -d"
[11:16] <geser> could you try that?
[11:16] <d4rkmonkey> geser, -c -d gives me the exact same error
[11:16] <geser> if you like with sudo or gksu
[11:16] <humbolt> geser: confirm
[11:16] <leftcase> Hi there, I've just applied the kernel update from 2.6.22-8-generic to 2.6.22-9-generic. Unfortunately it hasn't also pulled across the nvidia module thus breaking the x-server - Is this considered a bug would you think?
[11:16] <geser> and still no update?
[11:16] <d4rkmonkey> geser I've done with and without gksu and sudo and with and without -c
[11:19] <geser> there is a bug open about it: bug #129392
[11:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129392 in update-manager ""update-manager -d" in Feisty presents no option to upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129392
[11:19] <geser> perhaps you can help resolve it
[11:20] <d4rkmonkey> geser, thanks for sending me that bug report, I'll see if I can help at all
[11:41] <Happu> does anyone have bug with latest version of beryl? Mine window borders won't show up :/
[11:46] <geser> beryl? beryl got removed from gutsy
[11:46] <geser> gutsy has compiz fusion
[11:50] <Happu> sure, but I installed beryl after
[11:56] <geser> from where did you have beryl installed? from the Ubuntu archive?
[11:57] <Happu> yes
[11:57] <Happu> it came after last upgrade
[11:57] <Happu> it came about one week ago
[11:58] <geser> are you sure you mean beryl and not compiz?
[11:58] <d4rkmonkey> or compiz-fusion
[11:58] <Happu> yes, I'm now using compiz because it works and beryl doesn't
[12:00] <geser> beryl was removed from the archive so it won't get any updates anymore
[12:00] <Happu> okey
[12:00] <Happu> maybe it came from some other source
[12:01] <Happu> well, well... Is there anyway to configure compiz?
[12:01] <Happu> (similar to the beryl configuration tool)
[12:02] <knix> You want nothing similar to the beryl configuration tool
[12:02] <knix> ;)
[12:02] <Happu> Well I want some kind of configuration tool :D
[12:03] <knix> compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:03] <knix> awesome name, I know
[12:03] <knix> There's also gnome-compiz-manager
[12:03] <knix> or something
[12:04] <Happu> a fine name indeed :P
[12:05] <geser> last I tried gnome-compiz-manager didn't work very well with compiz-fusion
[12:05] <geser> I'm using compizconfig-settings-manager now
[12:06] <knix> Sounds like you've got an answer :)
[12:06] <Happu> should it be on /usr/bin/?
[12:06] <Happu> because it's not :E
[12:06] <knix> o.O
[12:06] <knix> It's in local?
[12:07] <Happu> there is no file of the name :S
[12:07] <geser> the binary is called ccsm
[12:07] <Happu> even though I clearly installed it a few seconds ago
[12:07] <Happu> nice
[12:07] <Happu> thanks
[12:08] <geser> or use Settings -> Preferences -> Compiz ...
[12:08] <knix> dpkg-query -L ;)
[12:10] <Happu> Uhm.. I'm fast
[12:10] <Happu> I broke compiz the same way!
[12:11] <Happu> well I'll fix it
[12:11] <Happu> I have all the night :)


[02:21] <xu-irc96w> hello
[02:27] <GridCube> hi
[02:33] <xu-irc96w> Anyone of you uses Waterfox as a web browser?


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[05:39] <Maik_aD> good morning
[06:16] <ducasse> good morning
[06:20] <Maik_aD> ducasse: hey :)
[06:21]  * Maik_aD is off to bed
[06:21] <Maik_aD> chat later
[08:23] <marcoagpinto> morning
[08:23] <marcoagpinto> I have run out of cola
[08:56] <daftykins> so now you're the cola-free demon?
[08:57] <marcoagpinto> yes, always
[09:03] <daftykins> it's a good thing! that stuff is nasty
[09:04] <marcoagpinto> I am cola out of stock not cola cured
[09:04] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:04] <marcoagpinto> I drank the last 2 litre bottle at 5am
[09:05] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:36] <DarkTrick> marcoagpinto, you should not be drinking so much cola, I guess...
[09:36] <DarkTrick> try green tee?
[09:36] <marcoagpinto> I also drink 1,5 litres of tea
[14:30] <sonicwind> #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:31] <sonicwind> try again
[20:10] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue641 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue641 :D