[12:26] <shirish> feistyman: the link gives my dump of /etc/network/interfaces
[12:26] <shirish> sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces file & fill in the blanks
[12:26] <feistyman> It won't let me access it. Permission denied.
[12:27] <shirish> type the command I gave u above
[12:27] <shirish> it will ask you for your password
[12:27] <phaidros> isn't opera in feisty yet?
[12:27] <shirish> always use sudo
[12:27] <shirish> !sudo
[12:27] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:29] <freeza> xtknight: i have the same issue on 2 different laptops, my old acer and my macbook
[12:29] <ompaul> crimsun pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/14469
[12:29] <xtknight> freeza, ok make a comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/104288
[12:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 104288 in Ubuntu "[edgy+feisty]  First typed character is omitted at gdm login." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[12:31] <misfit_toy> why in the world is update-manager wanting to update openoffice.org here when I don't even have it anymore, I have openoffice.org2 ?!?
[12:32] <ompaul> crimsun aplay -l is here : pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/14469
[12:32] <crimsun> misfit_toy: because openoffice.org replaces openoffice.org2
[12:32] <misfit_toy> lol, grrr, thanks crimsun
[12:33] <shirish> lol
[12:33] <xionox> bye
[12:33] <shirish> welcome to my world I have been upgrading for last 2 hrs. now
[12:33] <shirish> the end is near only 10 mins. more
[12:33] <xtknight> freeza, refresh the page and report the same output from those commands i posted if you could
[12:33] <xtknight> freeza, (i made a comment to my own bug reporting my own system's specs/details)
[12:34] <crimsun> ompaul: sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}') && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=auto
[12:35] <freeza> ok will do
[12:35] <freeza> but im not running feisty yet on my macbook
[12:36] <xtknight> freeza, just do them whereever it occurs (edgy or feisty)
[12:36] <xtknight> i reported the bug for both
[12:36] <crimsun> ompaul: I'll also need your ``lspci -vvn'' pastebinned
[12:37] <xtknight> freeza, oh wow, kdm also>?
[12:37] <xtknight> i edited the description to include that too
[12:38] <xtknight> hope they fix tihs
[12:39] <xtknight> freeza, hey you knwo what we should try /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[12:39] <xtknight> and see if it still happens?
[12:39] <ompaul> crimsun pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/14471  ( the modprobe command returned nothing except a Useage: lsmod
[12:39] <XamDM> feisty takes long on boot up, takes nearly one minute for configuratin network interfaces
[12:39] <crimsun> XamDM: known issue, move along.
[12:40] <XamDM> crimsun, any workaround ???
[12:40] <misfit_toy> anyone having trouble mapping mmkeyboards to feisty? the only one that works for me is "mute".
[12:41] <ompaul> crimsun, - error my part left out the pipe after lsmod - should I reboot?
[12:41] <crimsun> XamDM: remove all but the lo stanzas from /etc/network/interfaces
[12:41] <XamDM> crimsun, thx
[12:41] <feistyman> shirish,
[12:41] <shirish> feistyman: any progress?
[12:41] <crimsun> ompaul: did you unload all the snd modules?
[12:41] <freeza> xtknight: yeah i have been reinstalling ubuntu and trying all the different ones, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu for over 2 weeks now seeing which one i like the best and it did it on all
[12:42] <feistyman> Shirish, I wanted you to know that the problem is still there. I have to manually click on that double-icon before the interent works.
[12:42] <ompaul> crimsun, it is giving me a fatal module snd_hda_intel is in use
[12:42] <jauru> I'm using Feisty (really love it). Does the 3d cube thing work for anyone yet? I only get wobbly windows when I turn on the effects.
[12:42] <freeza> xtknight: also tried all edgy and feisty of those iterations as well
[12:42] <crimsun> ompaul: so close whatever's using it.
[12:42] <xtknight> freeza, interesting.  thanks for contributing to the bug report.  can you try `sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart` and see if it happens there?
[12:42] <xtknight> i'm going to try right now and come back here
[12:43] <shirish> feistyman:ok hang on
[12:43] <freeza> ok but cant right now
[12:43] <xtknight> ok
[12:43] <crimsun> kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*)
[12:43] <crimsun> ^ ompaul
[12:43] <xtknight> i will , brb
[12:43] <freeza> upgrading my macbook to feisty
[12:43] <MongotheMad> is there a list for more feisty repos?
[12:43] <flashstar> does anyone know how to make windows maximize to only one physical monitor with twinview?
[12:43] <flashstar> my games don't run well otherwise
[12:44] <shirish> feistyman: what is your output of /etc/resolv.conf post that in paste.ubuntu.nl.org
[12:44] <feistyman> I will, thanks.
[12:44] <freeza> ill brb later and finish posting for my other laptop
[12:44] <feistyman> I'm not sure I understand.
[12:45] <Arko> have just found the solution for all bugs
[12:45] <flashstar> When I run a game and set it to run maximized, the game is spead over my two monitors which are running in twinview mode with beryl
[12:45] <feistyman> Shirish, in your administration/network  area, is "enable roaming mode" checked? It is on mine.
[12:45] <Arko> sudo rm -rf /*
[12:45] <ompaul> crimsun, not obvious - doing init 6 so as to be in a clean environment (I hope)
[12:45] <flashstar> how can I make it run on one monitor?
[12:46] <shirish> feistyman: that should not be checked it should be unchecked, you are using a static ip
[12:46] <shirish> feistyman: that is for wireless people, the roaming mode thing
[12:46] <feistyman> It was unchecked, but then when I rebooted, there was no internet. The only way I could get back to you was to check it.
[12:46] <ompaul> crimsun, not obvious what has it - a little lsof coming up
[12:47] <crimsun> -EPARSE
[12:47] <feistyman> I do have a wireless reuter
[12:47] <crimsun> I have no idea what you just said
[12:47] <shirish> feistyman: damn that is the 1st question I asked u whether its wired or wireless
[12:47] <ompaul> crimsun, still getting fatal error after rebooting
[12:47] <shirish> feistyman: I am not so familiar with wireless
[12:48] <shirish> !Wifi
[12:48] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:48] <crimsun> ompaul: did you modify /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base by any chance?
[12:48] <xtknight> i do "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart", and then after gdm loads i press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace.  I then get a black screen with a busy cursor and the login screen doesnt come back up.  what gives?
[12:48] <shirish> feistyman: look at the docs. there they might provide u the clue
[12:48] <feistyman> Shirish, this is dsl. The reuter is for a laptop.
[12:48] <ompaul> crimsun, more than likely let me check
[12:48] <shirish> feistyman: ok wait a minute, I have to do something
[12:48] <willie> )0
[12:48] <willie> oops
[12:49] <feistyman> ok
[12:49] <VirhYl3> How do I get Nvu working in Feisty?
[12:49] <xtknight> they got rid of nvu because they couldn't compile it against the mozilla libs
[12:49] <xtknight> not sure the status of it now
[12:49] <shirish> feistyman: in that case, post the output of /etc/resolv.conf to pastebin please
[12:50] <shirish> gedit /etc/resolv.conf
[12:50] <shirish> copy whatever is there to paste.ubuntu.nl.org & give the link here
[12:50] <ompaul> crimsun, not since install - just checked with stat
[12:50] <ompaul> crimsun, did not modify /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:50] <VirhYl3> xtknight: So what do I use to edit html?
[12:50] <crimsun> ompaul: echo options snd-hda-intel model=auto |sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:51] <xtknight> VirhYl3, bluefish?
[12:51] <crimsun> ompaul: then reboot, and test whether sound is audible
[12:51] <VirhYl3> bluefish?
[12:51] <xtknight> !info bluefish | VirhYl3
[12:51] <ubotu> virhyl3: bluefish: advanced Gtk+ HTML editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.7-1 (feisty), package size 1570 kB, installed size 6724 kB
[12:51] <feistyman> shirish, there is not much to it.
[12:51] <shirish> feistyman: paste whatever is we will put stuff on it
[12:51] <feistyman> how do I paste again.
[12:52] <shirish> feistyman: go to http://paste.ubuntu.nl.org
[12:52] <VirhYl3> Any idea where the bluefish launcher ends up?
[12:52] <VirhYl3> Ah ha.... programming.
[12:53] <feistyman> Shirish, that page won't come up
[12:53] <shirish> !paste
[12:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:54] <shirish> feistyman: it opens up fine here
[12:54] <shirish> did u see the link use that link
[12:54] <Vessquire> what is the min ram I need to run feisty graphically
[12:54] <shirish> what ubotu gave
[12:54] <shirish> if that does not work use pastebin.ca
[12:54] <feistyman> It's up now. Hang on.
[12:55] <feistyman> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14472/
[12:55] <feistyman> There it is!
[12:56] <VirhYl3> umm..... bluefish doesn't have an easy to find ftp setup...
[12:56] <feistyman> Shirish, does that help at all?
[12:56] <shirish> feistyman: do u know what DNS nameserver u use to access the net?
[12:56] <feistyman> No
[12:57] <feistyman> is that my problem. Something isn't there that should be?
[12:57] <shirish> yes, there should be something there which is not there
[12:58] <aaroncampbell> I can't seem to update anything via adept...it keeps giving me an error that there was a problem committing the changes...maybe a package didn't get downloaded right
[12:58] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to sort of "clear it out" and try again?
[12:58] <shirish> call up your isp & ask them what are the DNS IP addresses tell them you want to do this on windows
[12:58] <shirish> setting up your internet connection
[12:58] <ompaul> crimsun, after reboot no audio and when I looked alsamixer was pointing at realtec so changed that to hda and I rebooted a second time - still no audio
[12:58] <feistyman> That is different than just the IP address?
[12:59] <crimsun> ompaul: ok, change the "auto" to "6stack-digout",please, and retest
[12:59] <feistyman> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:59] <feistyman> I think that is my DNS IP
[12:59] <shirish> feistyman: yup it is different there is an preferred IP address and an alternate ip address
[01:00] <shirish> feistyman: you can do one other thing
[01:00] <shirish> feistyman: go to http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:00] <shirish> feistyman: do u see your router page
[01:00] <feistyman> That is primary that I gave you.
[01:00] <feistyman> Secondary is <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:00] <feistyman> yes
[01:01] <shirish> feistyman: ok in there hunt for DNS Addresses or something similar like that
[01:01] <feistyman> DNS Servers	<IP_ADDRESS>  dns1-sac.scrmca.sbcglobal.net
[01:01] <feistyman> <IP_ADDRESS>  dnsr2.sbcglobal.net
[01:01] <VirhYl3> Ok, I'm repeatedly trying to get a file off of the web to edit and reupload, but this seems impossible in bluefish, any pointers?
[01:01] <shirish> ok cool
[01:02] <feistyman> So we can do something now?
[01:02] <shirish> now note down the full data
[01:02] <shirish> somewhere
[01:02] <shirish> tell me when u have done that
[01:03] <feistyman> The whole page of info?
[01:03] <ompaul> crimsun, we got sound
[01:03] <shirish> nope just the info. u gave me right now
[01:03] <ompaul> crimsun, thank you very much
[01:04] <crimsun> ompaul: brilliant, I'll commit that fix now.
[01:04] <VirhYl3> i think bluefish is far, far not wysiwyg enough for me.
[01:04] <VirhYl3> any other ideas for just editing a couple of dates on a web page?
[01:04] <VirhYl3> in feisty?
[01:04] <shirish> crimsun: are u on main or MOTU?
[01:04] <ompaul> crimsun, sometimes it is a pleasure to here the same sound you turn down on every computer in the office :)
[01:04] <feistyman> I'm printing it right now, just those two lines of info, right?
[01:05] <ompaul> crimsun, s/here/hear
[01:05] <shirish> right
[01:05] <shirish> because he said he was commiting a patch/fix
[01:05] <peter77> is wine capable of playing windows games smoothly?
[01:06] <crimsun> shirish: I'm core-dev (which is by default MOTU). I maintain the sound stack for Ubuntu.
[01:06] <shirish> peter77: supposed to be, although there is some other commercial program which is supposed to be way better or something
[01:06] <shirish> crimsun: oh cool
[01:06] <shirish> I did not know that core-developers are MOTU
[01:06] <crimsun> shirish: they are by definition, but MOTU is a separate category
[01:07] <shirish> for here I am trying to get deluge 0.5 to run
[01:07] <crimsun> right, deluge-torrent 0.5 is something that I feel strongly should /not/ be in feisty.
[01:07] <shirish> having to downloading all the development packages & then see if the compile happens
[01:07] <shirish> crimsun: why?
[01:07] <crimsun> shirish: because the upstream dev has expressed his opinion that having it in feisty may mislead people to feel it's finished, which it isn't
[01:08] <feistyman> Shirish, I have the info in front of me
[01:08] <shirish> crimsun: understood
[01:08] <crimsun> ompaul: which precise model is your laptop?
[01:08] <shirish> will chow for sure lemme get feistyman running now
[01:08] <crimsun> ompaul: and I won't be attending UDS.
[01:08] <feistyman> Ready, I hope!
[01:08] <shirish> ok now enter the data you have on 2 lines like :-
[01:09] <shirish> nameserver  <IP_ADDRESS>  dns1-sac.scrmca.sbcglobal.net
[01:09] <feistyman> :-
[01:09] <wizard> crimsun: hey man
[01:09] <shirish> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>  dnsr2.sbcglobal.net
[01:09] <wizard> -13 works great, -14 reoccuring issue again
[01:09] <ompaul> crimsun, PSL33E-029023N aka Toshiba Satellite L30-101
[01:09] <wizard> crimsun: soooo... we now know its specific to -14
[01:09] <shirish> feistyman: these both lines should be in /etc/resolv.conf
[01:10] <crimsun> wizard: good, now we have to establish whether it's -13 that broke it or -14
[01:10] <shirish> sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf
[01:10] <feistyman> ok
[01:10] <wizard> crimsun: well -13 is worknig 100%
[01:10] <crimsun> wizard: brilliant, that makes my life simpler (well, no, not really, but whatever)
[01:10] <wizard> crimsun: and since i didn't have -13 on my first feisty install... i guess we could call it -14 right?
[01:10] <jimmy__> is there a higher res version of the human icon set? in avant window manager it looks  really pixelated
[01:10] <crimsun> wizard: did you install -13 manually?
[01:11] <shirish> wizard: are u talking about the kernel?
[01:11] <wizard> crimsun: nope i let feisty do all of its patching
[01:11] <shirish> feistyman: after u are done, save the file then again open it
[01:11] <wizard> 13 was out of dist-upgrade, as was -14
[01:11] <feistyman> ok
[01:12] <shirish> feistyman: then again post the content to !paste
[01:12] <wizard> crimsun: so we've now got a good base: this issue *is*, 100% positively specific to -14
[01:12] <wizard> crimsun: at least in my case
[01:14] <crimsun> wizard: so what's your current `uname -r'?
[01:14] <feistyman> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14479/
[01:14] <ant-> what are poeples opinions about waiting another week, will the changes be drastic enough?
[01:14] <feistyman> Shirish, there it is ( I think)
[01:14] <wizard> crimsun:at
[01:14] <wizard> blah
[01:14] <wizard> crimsun: 2.6.20-13-386
[01:14] <wizard> crimsun: the only issue in -13 is i have no bass/trebble controller
[01:14] <wizard> crimsun: and no option for the "tone" switch
[01:14] <shirish> feistyman: there should be 2 lines exactly like this :-
[01:15] <feistyman> ok
[01:15] <Infecto> anybody familiar with building ati 8.35 drivers on <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[01:15] <crimsun> wizard: ok, good. I need to git-bisect, which may take a bit, as I'm currently busy.
[01:16] <wizard> crimsun: take your time
[01:16] <shirish>  nameserver	<IP_ADDRESS>  dns1-sac.scrmca.sbcglobal
[01:16] <shirish>     nameserver   <IP_ADDRESS>  dnsr2.sbcglobal.net
[01:16] <wizard> crimsun: just could you help me understand why i don't have a bess-treble controller on here?
[01:16] <shirish> feistyman: both the nameserver should be given
[01:16] <wizard> someone in ubuntu forums said it was cos my device wasn't supported but i feel he has no clue what hes talking about
[01:16] <feistyman> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14480/
[01:17] <feistyman> is that ok, Shirish?
[01:17] <crimsun> ompaul: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14482/
[01:18] <slackern> Infecto, i'm not sure if it's possible, i went halfway through the installation of the drivers when i came to a part where it said "NOTE: the fglrx source code requires Linux 2.6.19 or lower. It is not yet prepared for 2.6.20."
[01:18] <shirish> feistyman: it should look like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14483/
[01:18] <shirish> feistyman: actually its yours, copy it to the file, do sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf
[01:19] <ompaul> crimsun, thats the one :)
[01:19] <crimsun> wizard: because either it's not available in hardware (i.e., no registers), or it's not added in the driver. I don't have the codec sheet for your hardware handy.
[01:19] <wizard> crimsun: if its one of the above, it'll likely get added soon right?
[01:20] <feistyman> I did it
[01:20] <Infecto> slackern: it works i found patch
[01:20] <shirish> feistyman: ok save the file
[01:20] <feistyman> saved, Shirish
[01:20] <shirish> feistyman: now do a complete shutdown & then start the machine
[01:20] <feistyman> It's still there.
[01:21] <feistyman> ok, will do.
[01:21] <slackern> Infecto, ahh nice i was too tired to even bother any longer with my x1950 card any longer so i gave up there, then i know that there is atleast a chance of compiling them
[01:21] <ompaul> crimsun, I may be on monday from work the boss is getting a similar laptop different model (I spent more of his money on him ... )
[01:21] <feistyman> should roaming mode still be checked?
[01:21] <ompaul> crimsun, same fix I imagine
[01:22] <shirish> fiestyman: nope it should not be checked
[01:22] <crimsun> ompaul: it depends on the codec and SSID.
[01:22] <ompaul> k
[01:23] <shirish> fiestyman: there should be an enable networking not roaming mode
[01:23] <crimsun> HDA is an utter pile of manure.
[01:23] <shirish> feistyman: or keep it checked
[01:23] <shirish> feistyman: have u done all the updates?
[01:23] <feistyman> I'll keep it checked then, ok
[01:23] <feistyman> Yes, all updates
[01:24] <feistyman> so I'll shut down, now?
[01:24] <cables> I'm installing software updates for Feisty Beta, and it's stalled on "Setting up cupsys"
[01:25] <jimmy__> is there a higher res version of the human icon set? in avant window manager it looks  really pixelated
[01:25] <jimmy__> i couldnt find one on gnome-look either
[01:27] <wizard> crimsun: i do have another issue tho. if you coudl stear me to who could help... the system seems to freeze for 3 1/2 minutes on boot on kinit trying to resume something.
[01:27] <crimsun> wizard: not my realm, I only deal with audio.
[01:28] <wizard> yeah thats why i said if you could stear me to someone
[01:28] <crimsun> oh, so that's what you meant by "stear me to who could help"
[01:28] <wizard> yeah
[01:28] <shirish> crimsun: finally had it installed, but not much difference from 0.41 deluge
[01:29] <crimsun> wizard: I'd file a bug and attach the info required by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies#head-0a39ab9f8a5401109461f67986f8cfb4be88cc64
[01:30] <wizard> where does ubuntu log what goes on at bootup?
[01:30] <inade> Is there any place where we can read about Feisty other than the bug reports.
[01:30] <cables> inade, what do you mean?
[01:31] <jimmy__> does anyone know how to make deluge open a torrent in the currently opened deluge window, and not in a whole new deluge window?
[01:31] <shirish> crimsun: yup where is the log of the bootup thing?
[01:31] <inade> I just installed Ubuntu and my video display is giving me a hard time.
[01:31] <cables> wizard, try System>Administration>System Log (that's edgy, don't know if that's in feisty)
[01:31] <cables> inade, feisty?
[01:31] <shirish> it is there
[01:31] <inade> I can't seem to install the nvidia drivers (proprietary)  from the nvidia site.
[01:31] <cables> inade, you're not supposed to install them from there
[01:31] <inade> Yes, today's output.
[01:31] <cables> !nvidia | inade
[01:31] <ubotu> inade: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:31] <Infecto> slackern: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[01:32] <inade> Ok. I will check that. because the ones provided on the CD leave me without a mouse pointer.
[01:32] <feistyman> Shirish, I'm still in the same boat. Sorry
[01:32] <crimsun> shirish: syslog or kern.log
[01:33] <shirish> crimsun: what is the difference between the 2 logs
[01:33] <sri> it seems odd, but when I try to do anything full screen (eg mythtv) the panel still shows up on top of my movies :(
[01:33] <greigm> hi all
[01:33] <sri> oh wait I know why
[01:33] <crimsun> shirish: kernel ring buffer is all that's in the latter. The former includes more.
[01:34] <shirish> feistyman: you have downloaded all the updates till date or no?
[01:34] <feistyman> Shirish, maybe I can try this again later. You tried all kinds of things. I still have to click it on when I boot up. But not on Windows. Not even on my live cd of Edgy. Just Feisty
[01:34] <feistyman> Yes, all updates, even today.
[01:34] <wizard> whats happening is when i boot into ubuntu boot takes like 4 minutes because it tries to resume something
[01:34] <feistyman> I appreciate your help.
[01:34] <shirish> feistyman: actually it should not happen, and what I did is what I did for myself
[01:35] <shirish> feistyman: hopefully you got the hang of patebin.ca or !paste
[01:35] <feistyman> Yeah, well... I've been trying to fix this for a while.
[01:35] <greigm> hey folks, i have some problems with my upgrade from 6.10 to 7.20? ive had no luck solving the issue, would a new install from cd be a good idea?
[01:35] <feistyman> Yeah, the pasting is good now. Thanks
[01:35] <shirish> see you guys l8ter
[01:36] <feistyman> I better quit now, I guess. I'm needed downstairs. Thanks for everything, Shirish!
[01:36] <pauliukas> How stable is Ubuntu Beta 7.04? Or should I just go with Ubuntu 6.10?
[01:36] <wizard> it looks like under /var/log/messages it is "Attempting manual resume"
[01:36] <wizard> crimsun: did they fix the daily build's size?
[01:37] <phaidros> hi ompaul :)
[01:38] <greigm> has someone got a link to the daily releases of the beta pls?
[01:38] <crimsun> wizard: you'll need to check, I'm very busy atm
[01:39] <wizard> crimsun: okay
[01:40] <ompaul> phaidros, morning
[01:41] <pauliukas> Will Ubuntu Feisty be upgradable from Beta to final via apt-get?
[01:41] <pauliukas> Or will I need to reinstall it completely?
[01:41] <blippe> pauliukas: no reinstall
[01:42] <ompaul> pauliukas, you will apt-get all the way to stable
[01:42] <pauliukas> nice
[01:42] <ompaul> pauliukas, as long as you don't break something :)
[01:42] <greigm> like me:(
[01:42] <pauliukas> Breaking... as in?
[01:43] <pauliukas> I don't have a tendancy to break my computer
[01:43] <pauliukas> uter
[01:44] <jauru> Does the 3d cube work for anyone? I get the wobbly windows but not the cube when I enable the effects...
[01:44] <cables> jauru, i assume you checked off the cube?
[01:44] <jauru> Yep.
[01:44] <cables> jauru, ask in #ubuntu-effects also, they might be able to help.
[01:44] <jauru> ta
[01:44] <zdzichuBG> works for me aftes massaging gconf (hsize and numer of desktops)
[01:45] <zdzichuBG> s/aftes/after
[01:45] <jauru> hmmm - number of desktops keeps reverting to 1 when I enable cube effect.
[01:45] <jauru> I'll join #ubuntu-effects.
[01:46] <zdzichuBG> jauru: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/03/28/enabling-the-cube-in-feistys-desktop-effects/
[01:46] <zdzichuBG> jauru: hsize is important
[01:46] <jauru> zdzichuBG: thanks...
[01:48] <wizard> okay... my boot keeps hanging on "Configuring network settings" for about a minute
[01:48] <wizard> anyone know what would cause that?
[01:48] <slackern> Infecto, ahh i was reading that guide but then they hadn't included that part about the patch yet, thanks for pointing it out
[01:49] <jauru> wizard: is there a dhcp server on your network?
[01:49] <wizard> jauru: two
[01:50] <jauru> hmmm - should be one...
[01:50] <wizard> jauru: the router and a domain controller - both can act as DHCP for any client
[01:51] <jauru> my advice would be to turn dhcp off on one of them
[01:51] <wizard> well jauru
[01:51] <wizard> i use wifi...
[01:51] <wizard> which doesn't seem to even enable till after boot
[01:51] <wizard> its strange
[01:51] <greigm> if i post my grub menu, can someone tell me if its configured correctly ?
[01:52] <jauru> okay - i'm using wifi only... it needs to get a wep key I presume?
[01:52] <wizard> jauru: yup
[01:52] <wizard> and all that goes just fine after boot
[01:52] <wizard> it chokes on this during actual bootup
[01:53] <aaroncampbell> I can't seem to update anything via adept...it keeps giving me an error that there was a problem committing the changes...maybe a package didn't get downloaded right
[01:53] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to sort of "clear it out" and try again?
[01:53] <jauru> hmm - in my case boot process seems normal but asked for keyring access when logging on...
[01:55] <VirhYl3> So Nvu works fine in Wine.... :)
[01:56] <VirhYl3> what a kludgy hack, but at least I could update the website!
[01:56] <phaidros> VirhYl3: nvu works fine native .. ?!??!!
[01:56] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> jarle: it hangs up on the boot section for "configuring network interfaces..."
[01:57] <VirhYl3> phaidros: Well, it's not in synaptic, and so far I haven't gotten ANYTHING to run in Feisty that wasn't in synaptic.  Except Urban Terror, which only worked after several reboots, and I still locks up the keyboard often.
[01:58] <phaidros> VirhYl3: so somehow I'm lucke nvu is installed from before, old edgy times ..
[01:58] <VirhYl3> yeah.... I would say that makes you lucky... :)
[01:58] <VirhYl3> They say there's probs with nvu/mozilla at the moment, and they aren't going to have it in the repos for a while?!?
[01:59] <VirhYl3> Seems sad to keep FOSS web devs off of Linux because they can't edit html!!
[01:59] <VirhYl3> Luckily I am the master of kludge.
[01:59] <phaidros> isnt there bluefish also?
[02:00] <VirhYl3> bluefish doesn't do ANYTHING like what I need.  I opened it up and it was just code everywhere.  I almost puked.
[02:00] <VirhYl3> No native FTP, either!
[02:00] <phaidros> true
[02:00] <VirhYl3> Is there an easy way to make a LiveCD or DVD of my system "as is".
[02:01] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> anyone know why it woiuld freeze up on configuring network interfaces?
[02:02] <VirhYl3> It would be nice if Ubuntu had a button that just instantly backed up your Linux drive, complete with apps and drivers at the click of a button.  Like CreateLiveCD of your whole environment with current drivers AS IS.
[02:02] <|NewUser|> I just did " sudo apt-get dist-upgrade " but in last some packages gone to install but some are remain unconfigured .. can someone..  help http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14488/
[02:06] <mahdi> anybody knows if alsa is broken in feisty?
[02:06] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> okay
[02:07] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i have a fix for anyone whose bootup is slow on ubuntu feisty
[02:07] <greigm> whats the fix?
[02:07] <mahdi> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: that configuring network slow stuff?
[02:07] <|NewUser|> damn get a problem how can i upgrade overall distro.
[02:07] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> it would seem as though that for some people, myself included, feisty had everything from eith0 to eith2, and a few wireless devices all listed in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> commenting out the devices that did not pretain to my network, nor even exist on my laptop
[02:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> resolved the issue, and i was back to 15 second bootup
[02:08] <mahdi> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: already did that and my boot is still slow
[02:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> mahdi: you can also adjust the timeout
[02:08] <mahdi> any1 with feisty up-to-date and alsa working?
[02:09] <mahdi> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: i think its because of my wlan
[02:09] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> mahdi: check the dhcp timeout in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[02:09] <mahdi> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: ok
[02:09] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> mahdi: change timeout from 60 to like... 20, or 10 even
[02:10] <mahdi> ok. Done that, i'll check the speed later
[02:11] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> mahdi: mine was taking like 5 minutes to boot cos somehow feisty made about 10 non-existant connections in interfaces lol
[02:11] <mahdi> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: lol, mine doesnt take that long
[02:11] <chrisbudden14> does anyone know when the newest fglrx driver and ati catalyst control will hit the repos
[02:11] <mahdi> only like 30-40 seconds on that network stuff
[02:11] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> yeah mine was making me curse at it
[02:11] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: newest fglrx is already oat the repos
[02:12] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: OpenGL renderer string: RADEON XPRESS Series
[02:12] <mahdi> OpenGL version string: 2.0.6334 (8.34.8)
[02:12] <greigm> i made a error when upgrading from ubuntu to feisty. now it wont boot, should i just do a new install from the live cd?
[02:12] <VonFluffy> will Pidgin 2.0.0 final go into Fiesty Fawn 7.04
[02:13] <chrisbudden14> the latest ati is 8.35.5 mahdi
[02:13] <mahdi> greigm: well, if u'll install from scratch, wait till 19th
[02:13] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: hmmm any substantial diff?
[02:13] <greigm> mahdi, how come?
[02:14] <chrisbudden14> ati catalyst control center mahdi
[02:14] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: it hasn't changed much since 8.28.8
[02:14] <crimsun> VonFluffy: no.
[02:14] <VonFluffy> =( not even bakport?
[02:14] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> now i thought if you wanted network manager to manage your wired networks too you could comment it out in interfaces?
[02:14] <chrisbudden14> NEW FEATURES: (1) AMD Catalyst Control Center: Linux Edition Beta now available.
[02:14] <chrisbudden14>     ISSUES RESOLVED: (1) Screen no longer turns black if the X-Server is terminated from the text console on certain laptop configurations. mahdi
[02:14] <slackern> Infecto, I installed the drivers now myself and they compiled and are running for me now
[02:14] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: r u experiencing that?
[02:14] <chrisbudden14> yea
[02:14] <crimsun> VonFluffy: well, it could be backported, but talking about backports doesn't make sense when feisty+1 hasn't even opened.
[02:14] <slackern> Infecto, but i'm still having that mesa-gl stuff
[02:15] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: hmmm... well, try from that ati pkg first
[02:15] <chrisbudden14> yea i could do, im not really in a rush, just was wondering when they will be built
[02:15] <|NewUser|> anyone can help ? why im getting problem in dist-upgrade ?
[02:15] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: if it solves your problem, use it until they release it on official repos (shouldnt take long)
[02:15] <slackern> chrisbudden14, im also playing with the new drivers trying to get them to work
[02:16] <chrisbudden14> any probs slackern
[02:16] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: i suggest u wail, LOL
[02:16] <chrisbudden14> lol
[02:16] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: if it isnt causing much trouble...
[02:16] <xtknight> bug 104288
[02:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 104288 in Ubuntu "[edgy+feisty]  First typed character is omitted at gdm/kdm login." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104288
[02:16] <xtknight> anyone else have this problem? ^^ if so please comment
[02:16] <slackern> chrisbudden14, hehe well, i managed to compile them finally and now well stuff seems faster like resizing and stuff but i don't belive glx is running fully though
[02:16] <mahdi> i used to have it on edgy
[02:16] <mahdi> on feisty its fine
[02:16] <chrisbudden14> slackern, how is the control center thing?
[02:17] <mahdi> anyone with alsa probs running feisty?
[02:17] <jimmy__> does anyone know how to make deluge open a torrent in the currently opened deluge window, and not in a whole new deluge window?
[02:17] <slackern> chrisbudden14, I was just on my way to start it, thats how long i have been using the drivers :)
[02:17] <greigm> what kind of alsa problems?
[02:17] <chrisbudden14> lol ok, let me know how it goes :P
[02:18] <mahdi> greigm: the kind that makes sound stop working for no reason, lol
[02:18] <slackern> chrisbudden14, well i can say this much clicking it doesn't start anything :p
[02:18] <greigm> mahdi lol afraid not
[02:18] <chrisbudden14> good start slackern
[02:18] <slackern> chrisbudden14, and running it from a terminal gave me "*** glibc detected *** amdcccle: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0xbf956a6d ***
[02:18] <slackern> "
[02:18] <chrisbudden14> ooo
[02:18] <mahdi> greigm: i guess its just me
[02:19] <mahdi> greigm: r ur feisty uptodate?
[02:19] <slackern> But i am using a AGP X1950Pro card which i guess isn't loved by ATi or anyone :p
[02:19] <mahdi> ur feisty upgrades
[02:19] <slackern> atleast now i can move windows around without having them crawl around like snails :P
[02:20] <greigm> mahdi yes, but its messed up:( im going to install from cd
[02:20] <brucedes> whenever I try to run cedega, the terminal says: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14492/ What can I do?
[02:20] <mahdi> greigm: =/
[02:20] <mahdi> greigm: whats messed up?
[02:20] <greigm> mahdi, it wont boot
[02:21] <mahdi> greigm: lol
[02:21] <mahdi> greigm: that sucks
[02:21] <greigm> mahdi or my previous 6.10 install
[02:21] <greigm> mahdi only my xp partition
[02:21] <greigm> :(
[02:21] <mahdi> greigm: use xp until feisty is released
[02:21] <slackern> please good lord or whatever deity up there send me a nvidia card
[02:21] <mahdi> will save u some space and conf probs
[02:22] <greigm> well i'll try install of cd once its dloaded, cant do any harm, the installs broke anyway lol
[02:22] <mahdi> lol
[02:24] <mahdi> just a piece of advice... stables r better than betas...
[02:26] <greigm> lol indeed
[02:33] <specialbuddy> It says, "After updating the archive it should offer to upgrade kubuntu" this isn't coming up
[02:35] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> mahdi: the only issue i've noticed is i have to bring eth0 up manually
[02:35] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> mahdi: but i rarely, EVER will touch etho, and i am sure this bug'll be gone by the time i do
[02:35] <specialbuddy> how am I supposed to upgrade to fiesty
[02:36] <cps1966> !upgrade
[02:36] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:37] <specialbuddy> what about for kubuntu?
[02:38] <cps1966> same thing
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> VirhYl3: re Nvu, you ping me in two weeks and ask ;)
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> !nvu | For everyone's reference:
[02:38] <ubotu> For everyone's reference:: nvu is a WYSIWYG and code dual-function HTML editor for easily creating web pages.  The original developer is working on a full rewrite; meanwhile, another is doing bugfixes.  It is not the Ubuntu repos for Feisty Fawn, but ping tonyyarusso to inquire about packages.  See also !html.
[02:42] <|NewUser|> can someone help me with this ? i downloaded all updates but dont know whats the problem with applying it ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14499/
[02:45] <|NewUser|> no one can help ?
[02:46] <brucedes> how do I downgrade my version of python (Python 2.5.1c1)
[02:46] <budmang> Can anyone fix my sound so multiple apps can play sound at once?
[02:48] <crimsun> budmang: it should happen by default. What sound device are you using?
[02:49] <crimsun> brucedes: simply pass the package version to apt-get or aptitude
[02:49] <budmang> crimsun, I have a dv6000 hp laptop.
[02:49] <budmang> alsa I use.
[02:49] <crimsun> budmang: which dv6000?
[02:49] <crimsun> look on the bottom of the laptop if you don't know
[02:50] <budmang> For example It i start any flash sound in firefox idefisk or any app that wants sound dies / cant use it
[02:50] <budmang> dv6226us
[02:50] <crimsun> oh, Flash 9 is a PiTA, and there's nothing that can be done about it.
[02:50] <brucedes> crimsun, I feel like a right idiot asking, but how do I do that?
[02:50] <budmang> really?
[02:50] <budmang> its just flash you think?
[02:50] <crimsun> budmang: it's just Flash 9.
[02:50] <budmang> can I downgrade flash?
[02:50] <crimsun> budmang: you /don't/ want to downgrade Flash
[02:50] <budmang> I need my VOIP.
[02:51] <Arko> what does PiTA mean?
[02:51] <budmang> to work 24/7 no matter what app.
[02:51] <crimsun> brucedes: apt-get install foo=somepackage-revision
[02:51] <budmang> pain in the ass. Arko
[02:51] <Arko> oh
[02:51] <crimsun> budmang: so don't use Firefox/Flash whenever you want VoIP
[02:51] <|NewUser|> i downloaded all updates but dont know whats the problem with applying it ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14499/
[02:51] <budmang> I used meebo 24/7 also.
[02:51] <budmang> lol
[02:51] <crimsun> budmang: that's just the unfortunate state that Macromedia has chosen
[02:51] <budmang> damn u  :-)
[02:51] <crimsun> don't blame us, blame the closed-source plugin
[02:51] <Arko> what is the substitute of flash+firefox?
[02:51] <crimsun> Arko: don't use Flash?
[02:52] <savvas> i thought adobe's flash is open source :\
[02:52] <crimsun> savvas: it's not.
[02:52] <budmang> how after stoping sound in flash/firefox can I release it?
[02:52] <Arko> hmmm
[02:52] <crimsun> budmang: you need to /close/ Firefox to do that
[02:52] <budmang> Wow
[02:52] <tonyyarusso> Hi, I'm currently unable to properly view http://www.specialized.com/ (flash site).  Others have said it works fine for them.  Ideas of what may be happening?  It worked last weekend, and stopped yesterday as far as I know.
[02:52] <budmang> Damn macromedia.
[02:52] <budmang> but you have comforted me.
[02:53] <brucedes> crimsun, it says foo doesn't exist, nor does python-2.4.3
[02:53] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: it seems to work acceptably on my i945
[02:53] <crimsun> brucedes: that's because python-2.4.3 is not a valid package revision
[02:53] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: insteresting.  Would a dpkg-reconf on the flash plugin or anything like that help?
[02:54] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: no, it wouldn't.
[02:54] <crimsun> disable any compiz/beryl
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: None enabled.
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> Well, I don't think
[02:54] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: which X driver are you using?
[02:54] <budmang> What about getting my ndiswrapper to always auto boot. sometimes it doesnt work and I have to sudo modprobe ndiswrapper and depmod -a
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: "ati", no effects
[02:54] <crimsun> budmang: echo ndiswrapper |sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[02:55] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: try downgrading xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
[02:55] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: eww...  sigh
[02:56] <crimsun> brucedes: you could just install python2.4 and invoke the script explicitly with python2.4 prepended
[02:56] <budmang> crimsun, one last thing. When I connect to a wireless network it pops up for a default key ring password box. no matter what password i use nothing works. I have to press deny and it connects anyway.
[02:57] <crimsun> budmang: I've experienced that bug, too, but I don't much care for it. I don't use n-m.
[02:57] <budmang> k.
[02:58] <crimsun> budmang: check Launchpad.net for a bug filed against gnome-keyring
[02:58] <budmang> anyone here use qemu? or what do you use for virtual windows?
[02:58] <xtknight> VMware
[02:58] <xtknight> seems to be fastest
[03:00] <bts3685> not a feisty-specific question BUT..... i have feisty installed. can i do a apt-get remove --purge gnome and then an apt-get install fluxbox? or is ubuntu so infused with gnome that i will call upon myself an unholy storm of hellfire and brimstone and verily, bring ruination upon myself and would be better off burning xubuntu and installing fluxbox from there?
[03:00] <RAOF> bts3685: You can kinda do that, but it's not as simple as "apt-get remove gnome", because gnome isn't a package.
[03:00] <misfit_toy>  /me likes bts3685 's question, just cause he can actually spell unlike most people on the 'net these days.
[03:01] <cps1966> gnome-desktop would work
[03:01] <RAOF> You can remove ubuntu-desktop, (with aptitude) which should remove all the automatically-installed dependencies.
[03:01] <RAOF> !info gnome-desktop feisty
[03:01] <ubotu> Package gnome-desktop does not exist in feisty
[03:01] <RAOF> What gnome-desktop :)
[03:02] <misfit_toy> isn't it still gnome-environment?
[03:02] <bts3685> ...gnome*?
[03:02] <misfit_toy> gnome* would surely work
[03:02] <bts3685> (and thanks, misfit :) i'm a tech writer)
[03:02] <evan__> hey guys, when i restart x (ctrl alt back) my new feisty doesnt go to login screen, it goes to terminal, what should i do?
[03:02] <aaroncampbell> I can't seem to update anything via adept...it keeps giving me an error that there was a problem committing the changes...maybe a package didn't get downloaded right
[03:03] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to sort of "clear it out" and try again?
[03:03] <bts3685> evan- "startx"
[03:03] <brucedes> ok, installed python 2.4.4, but python - V still says 2.5.1c1, how do I set the version of python I want?
[03:03] <evan__> i know that, but how do i get it to do what it's supposed to
[03:03] <misfit_toy> aaroncampbell, "sudo apt-get install -f"
[03:03] <martalli> adept is telling me that a version upgrade is available, but the "release announcement" is empty, so it won't let me go past.  Could I do this with just an 'apt-get dist-upgrade', or does this involve a change int he repos?
[03:03] <bts3685> ...pardon? what is it "supposed to do"?
[03:04] <evan__> it's supposed to go to login screen right?
[03:04] <martalli> I am using a fairly uptodate version of kubuntu
[03:04] <evan__> like edgy did
[03:05] <cps1966> looks like your x config is screwed up then
[03:05] <evan__> okie dokie, what should i do to fix that
[03:05] <aaroncampbell> misfit_toy: http://paste-bin.com/11369
[03:05] <aaroncampbell> It looks like a package that I used alien on isn't working...
[03:05] <brucedes> ...ok...so I tried apt-get remove python2.5, and I suspect that might of been quite stupid...
[03:05] <aaroncampbell> or rather...it's working, but causing problem
[03:06] <aaroncampbell> s
[03:06] <cps1966> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:06] <evan__> ok
[03:06] <martalli> sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[03:06] <martalli> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:06] <bts3685> by the way, THANK YOU everyone who helped me, this is (one of the reasons) why i LOVE the linux community- you'd NEVER get that kind of response from any M$ community (as if they exist. haha)
[03:06] <misfit_toy> aaroncampbell, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:07] <martalli> bts3685, They do exist, but you are very welcome  (The MS users really need help =)
[03:07] <misfit_toy> and aaroncampbell go ahead and "sudo apt-get autoremove" as well
[03:07] <brucedes> hmm...it would appear that apt-get is uninstalling every piece of software on my machine...
[03:08] <aaroncampbell> misfit_toy: http://paste-bin.com/11370
[03:08] <evan__> hey cps1966, do i want vga, via, vmware, voodoo or what? i have nvidia 7300 card
[03:08] <bts3685> (rofflewaffles.  i'm installing CRM for a client right now. ugh...)
[03:08] <evan__> im guessing nv?
[03:09] <brucedes> yeah, this is bad, it's all getting deleted...
[03:09] <misfit_toy> aaroncampbell, that looks ok, let me look again closely, give me 2 minutes
[03:10] <tonyyarusso> I think my javascript is broken in FF
[03:10] <martalli> When adept is telling me a version upgrade is available, would an "apt-get dist-upgrade" be the CLI equivalent?
[03:10] <brucedes> great, I get to reinstall ubuntu for like the third time now...just when I got my xorg.conf just right
[03:11] <brucedes> martalli: no
[03:11] <brucedes> that upgrades the apt-get database
[03:11] <brucedes> I think you just apt-get install adept and it'll install the latest version
[03:12] <brucedes> yippee! I just nuked my whole system, which, somehow, remains connected to the internet :\
[03:12] <martalli> boy...i thought a dist-upgrade doesn't change your soruces.list, but is a more aggressive upgrade of packages (will delete or regress sm,e packages to upgrade other, and so on)
[03:13] <martalli> i tried apt-get install adept and it said I had the most recent version
[03:13] <brucedes> apt-get is quite outdated
[03:13] <brucedes> see if the site has a repository you can use
[03:16] <misfit_toy> aaroncampbell, "sudo apt-get update" does what?
[03:16] <brucedes> phew, I saved my system
[03:17] <misfit_toy> and aaroncampbell what happens with "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[03:28] <johnnybuoy> hi all
[03:28] <thompa> howdy
[03:28] <thompa> any
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[03:29] <thompa> buggy touchpad
[03:29] <thompa> anyone else running macbook here?
[03:29] <thompa> If I use an external mouse it works fine though
[03:32] <johnnybuoy> heh
[03:33] <johnnybuoy> fl00d ;-P
[03:33] <johnnybuoy> macs are not so good with linux, I hear....
[03:34] <johnnybuoy> thompa, did you check google?
[03:35] <mon^rch> hello feisty friends :)
[03:35] <mon^rch> isn't compiz just nummy?
[03:36] <thompa> johnnybuoy: some thiings are better in ubuntu,
[03:36] <johnnybuoy> beryl is yummy
[03:36] <johnnybuoy> thompa, for the touchpad problem?
[03:36] <thompa> i will need to fix the keyboard layout and touchpad
[03:36] <bts3685> grahr! it wouldn't let me aptitude remove --purge gnome*....haha
[03:37] <thompa> if i use an external its fine,
[03:37] <thompa> also linux is faster. all the apps are than on osx side
[03:38] <johnnybuoy> yeah, linux rocks, just hardware support is not as good?
[03:38] <thompa> johnnybuoy: if i get around this i may ditch osx
[03:38] <johnnybuoy> ThomasWaldmann, check the appletouch kernel driver if you haven't yet
[03:38] <bts3685> johnny- the support is there. it's just DIY. ;)
[03:38] <johnnybuoy> yeah
[03:39] <johnnybuoy> my dell works like a charm, tho
[03:39] <johnnybuoy> out of the box
[03:39] <bts3685> to quote monty python, "always look on the bright side of life"
[03:39] <johnnybuoy> and it's the same hardware
[03:39] <johnnybuoy> thompa, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Apple_MacBook#Touchpad_in_X11
[03:39] <martalli> johnnybuoy, Actually, the hardware support is excellent, for the proprietary OS's you need extra drivers for almost everything. For linux, you only need extra drivers for a few things
[03:39] <johnnybuoy> this was the first or second google hit
[03:39] <johnnybuoy> yeah?
[03:40] <martalli> The only problem is that the hardware manufacturers won't write those few drivers or open the hardware for the kernel authors
[03:40] <bts3685> jerks.
[03:40] <johnnybuoy> hardware manufacturers can always run, as soon as an olpc-type latop comes out for real people, _every_ linux user will switch to open hardware
[03:40] <johnnybuoy> I am sure
[03:41] <johnnybuoy> except the gamers :D
[03:41] <johnnybuoy> pff
[03:41] <bts3685> (that's what gentoo and nvidia are for ;) )
[03:41] <johnnybuoy> yeah
[03:41] <johnnybuoy> I don't really care for games
[03:41] <inade> Well, I did update the video drivers.  So far, so good.  Thanks for the tips.
[03:42] <johnnybuoy> tho I was surprised on how wine made huge progress since the last time I tried it
[03:42] <bts3685> OH yeah! wine is CRUISING. barely had to tweak for the most part
[03:42] <thompa> johnnybuoy: thanks i missed that link
[03:42] <johnnybuoy> no steam and CS work on linux. CS is the only game I ever play :D
[03:42] <thompa> those gentoo folks are always ahead of the game
[03:42] <johnnybuoy> not true
[03:43] <johnnybuoy> not even close...
[03:43] <brottman> is there any decent tape backup software thats available for linux? I'm considering it for a backup server @ work
[03:43] <johnnybuoy> but well, that macbook wiki entry is pretty extensive in gentoo-wiki
[03:44] <thompa> johnnybuoy: most stuff works in ubuntu feisty already, volume, backlight
[03:44] <bts3685> if you want it to just work, there's debian. if you want it to look pretty, there's *ubuntu. if you want to play mad scientist, there's gentoo/arch/slack
[03:44] <johnnybuoy> arch is not that great imho
[03:44] <thompa> all i need is keyboard and then disable touchpad i think
[03:44] <johnnybuoy> gentoo rocks tho
[03:44] <thompa> i cant even get used to it it mac
[03:44] <bts3685> (i know, i love it. use it on my desktop)
[03:45] <johnnybuoy> ?
[03:45] <bts3685> and brottman, have you looked into bakula?
[03:45] <johnnybuoy> gentoo?
[03:45] <bts3685> (yeah)
[03:45] <johnnybuoy> I would use gentoo max. for gaming, otherwise it's PERFECT for servers
[03:45] <johnnybuoy> (fast, got's good support)
[03:45] <brottman> bts3685: yes, it looks very complicated :)
[03:45] <johnnybuoy> + a great hardened version, that's really hardened
[03:46] <thompa> im considering wiping out the mac part. but is there a way to do this wothout reinstalling?
[03:46] <johnnybuoy> from gound-up
[03:46] <Alpha_Cluster> ok since im using Fiesty and #ubuntu is worthless, does anyone here know how to change the window borders in gnome?  I cant seem to find a way to do it via theme
[03:46] <bts3685> gentoo's good for servers? mmmm...i'd have to stick to debian. too much configuration and maintenance for gentoo. but i mean..slap SL on debian and you're hardened.
[03:46] <bts3685> brottman, there's a LOT of documentation
[03:46] <Toma-> Alpha_Cluster: are you serious? Preferences > Theme > Window Decoration or soemthing
[03:47] <johnnybuoy> bts3685, SL?
[03:47] <Alpha_Cluster> Toma- i only have 3 tabs in Theme
[03:47] <bts3685> oops! SE*
[03:47] <Alpha_Cluster> Window Decorations doesnt exist
[03:47] <bts3685> not SL. lolz.
[03:47] <Toma-> Alpha_Cluster: yeh its one of those tabs
[03:47] <johnnybuoy> selinux, bts3685
[03:47] <johnnybuoy> ??
[03:47] <Alpha_Cluster> i dont have one for it
[03:47] <bts3685> yessir
[03:47] <Toma-> Alpha_Cluster: sorry im not specific, im using e17
[03:47] <Alpha_Cluster> i only got Controls, colors, and icons
[03:47] <johnnybuoy> hardened is different tho....
[03:47] <johnnybuoy> bts3685, ^
[03:48] <Alpha_Cluster> Toma-,  the thing is i know what your talking about and i know it should be there... the problem is it is not there
[03:48] <bts3685> brottman: start with the man and then google. TONS. i'm sure you'll get very easy guides. :) bakula is very popular.
[03:48] <johnnybuoy> bts3685, I mean, I can have hardened (toolchain + libc), hardened (kernel > PAX + grsec), AND selinux
[03:48] <johnnybuoy> in gentoo
[03:48] <specialbuddy> how do I do a feisty upgrade with kubuntu?
[03:48] <johnnybuoy> and that's pretty sweet
[03:48] <brottman> bts3685: thanks, I'll dig into it.
[03:49] <bts3685> johnnybuoy: granted. but there's still the issue of configuration and source installs. i'd love to see a real-life comparison experiment between them though...
[03:49] <johnnybuoy> specialbuddy, update-manager --devel-release
[03:50] <johnnybuoy> bts3685, configuretion? well, that's a once-done thing in linux anyways, and if you really want to customise your system, for a server gentoo is the stuff...
[03:50] <johnnybuoy> for compiling...
[03:50] <specialbuddy> bash: update-manager: command not found
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> yeah, compiling is a pain in the arch, but if you have a server-farm, or just more than one server, it goes allright with distcc
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> okay, what do you call update-manager in kde?
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> !info update-manager
[03:51] <ubotu> update-manager: GNOME application that manages apt updates. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.59.15 (feisty), package size 844 kB, installed size 2076 kB
[03:51] <specialbuddy> adapt maybe
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> adept?
[03:51] <specialbuddy> !adapt-manager
[03:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adapt-manager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> !info adept
[03:51] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.2ubuntu25 (feisty), package size 13 kB, installed size 44 kB
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> nah
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> that's not it
[03:52] <johnnybuoy> I don't know in KDE, sorry
[03:53] <bts3685> johnnybuoy: (lol, "pain in the arch") and true! server chains, definitely. but RAIDing is a little more complex in gentoo...i don't know, i've always seen it as a distro PEREFECT for enthusiast and hobby level, as well as development/coding, and general workhorse stuff. but debian has always seemed...server-y? to me.
[03:53] <johnnybuoy> well
[03:53] <bts3685> johnnybuoy: but if debian developer community keeps pulling their middle-school-teen-drama BS, then i think i'm gonna change anyways. maybe centos..
[03:53] <johnnybuoy> I guess the ease of debian is truly unbeatable
[03:54] <johnnybuoy> heh
[03:54] <johnnybuoy> centos?!
[03:54] <bts3685> yessir! lightweight, pretty secure out of box...
[03:54] <johnnybuoy> btw, does anyone have the hardware to check this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powersave/+bug/94133 ?
[03:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 94133 in powersave "ipw3945 wireless doesn't work after resume from suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[03:54] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: i found out essentially whats causing the issues with the slow bootup for people
[03:54] <johnnybuoy> checking...
[03:54] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: so theres one issue resolved heh
[03:55] <brottman> aren't packages/ebulids in gentoo in constant motion? I always though Gentoo was the exact opposite of a Debian release
[03:55] <johnnybuoy> bts3685, what package management does it use?
[03:55] <johnnybuoy> yes, well...
[03:55] <johnnybuoy> but they don't allways work..
[03:55] <johnnybuoy> and if you have a big app you need to compile, and it chokes at the end
[03:55] <johnnybuoy> it sucks...
[03:57] <bts3685> sry, phonecall.
[03:57] <johnnybuoy> bts3685, you sure? rpm? rpm after debian is like using a horse carriage on an asphalt motorway...
[03:58] <johnnybuoy> imho
[03:58] <bts3685> brottman: yes. in fact, there are no "gentoo releases" because it's so dynamic
[03:58] <bts3685> johnnybuoy: i agree. but if it's a server, set to use a stable branch...you don't need to update that much anyways ;) just security updates
[03:58] <johnnybuoy> dunno
[03:58] <johnnybuoy> depends on the server
[03:59] <johnnybuoy> if I was installing an at least 2GHz server with 1or2 gigs of ram I would go gentoo-hardened
[03:59] <Mena> !opera
[03:59] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[04:00] <mzuverink> I installed th ubuntu-desktop package from a server install ans then added the kubunti-desktop. Now both the kubuntu and ubunntu menus are flooded with kde and gnome apps.  If i use menueedit in gnome to thin out the gnome menus, and then do the same Kuububt, wiil that screw things uo on my menus?
[04:00] <johnnybuoy> tou can update eg. every month and still get a decent amount of updates (not too many)
[04:01] <bts3685> yeah... and if you were beowulfing or doing any clustering, i would DEFINITELY do gentoo. like, for folding or analysis or something...yeah. OH yeah, def. gentoo
[04:01] <johnnybuoy> :)
[04:01] <johnnybuoy> gentoo is unbeatable for some stuff
[04:01] <Mena> Opera wont work on 704 ...What to do
[04:02] <Mena> :(
[04:02] <Paddy_EIRE> hey guys Im sitting trying to get wireless working in some form on a new Dell Inspiron 1501 Laptop, so far I have had no success and not for a lack of trying... I have determined that the problem is the "Fn" keys "alt + F2" enables the wifi, this does not work in ubuntu
[04:02] <bts3685> Mena: install from source? :P
[04:02] <crimsun> Mena: be patient, and wait for Opera to be recompiled upstream.
[04:02] <Mena> ok
[04:02] <Mena> Thanks :)
[04:02] <bts3685> yup!
[04:02] <psyke83> hi, can someone do me a little favour please? run "speaker-test -c2 -r11050", then listen to the left and right speaker output - do they sound identical or is one higher pitched than the other?
[04:03] <bts3685> Paddy_EIRE: ndiswrapper yet?
[04:03] <johnnybuoy> well, is there a cannonical repo at all yet for feisty?
[04:03] <Paddy_EIRE> bts3685: I wonder how do I do that
[04:03] <johnnybuoy> (no, there is not)
[04:03] <bts3685> i doubt it. when was feisty released as beta?
[04:03] <johnnybuoy> well
[04:03] <bts3685> Paddy_EIRE: there's lots of wikis
[04:03] <johnnybuoy> more than a week ago
[04:04] <johnnybuoy> herd6 is cancelled?
[04:04] <bts3685> yeah
[04:04] <johnnybuoy> hmm, that don't sound good..
[04:04] <ucordes> what is the pname of that network tray icon?
[04:04] <Paddy_EIRE> bts3685 I think thats the problem.. to many wikis, my head starts spinning
[04:04] <Paddy_EIRE> lol
[04:04] <johnnybuoy> ucordes, package name
[04:04] <johnnybuoy> ?
[04:04] <ucordes> process
[04:05] <johnnybuoy> nm-applet
[04:05] <bts3685> Paddy_EIRE: o
[04:06] <bts3685> ,oops
[04:06] <bts3685> Paddy_EIRE: i'm msging you. it's gonna get too complicated to go through in here
[04:10] <bts3685> ooh. it got quiet.   time for a poll!   bzip compression or gzip? preference, GO!
[04:11] <johnnybuoy> bzip2 rocks gzip
[04:11] <johnnybuoy> for most stuff
[04:13] <Hobbsee> bts3685: gzip's faster
[04:14] <Paddy_EIRE> bts3685 you still there
[04:16] <bts3685> yup! (at the shop...so i'm doing comp repairs and stuff. haha)
[04:16] <bts3685> Paddy_EIRE: i've been msging you.
[04:16] <MrKeuner> hi, does removing linux-image-generic and installing 686 help any performance? Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz
[04:17] <bts3685> i like gzip because although its algorithm is slightly less compressing, it's GNU. : P
[04:23] <bts3685> i guess Paddy_EIRE got fed up...
[04:24] <RAOF> MrKeuner: Where are you getting 686 kernels? (hint: not from archive.ubuntu.com).  In short, no :)
[04:25] <specialbuddy> what's the best way to upgrade to feisty on kubuntu?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> specialbuddy: see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[04:29] <MrKeuner> RAOF: there's no i686 anymore?
[04:29] <specialbuddy> Hobbsee, I'm looked at it a few times and it doesn't work
[04:29] <specialbuddy> ok I'm going to break this thing
[04:29] <Hobbsee> !doesnt work
[04:29] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:29] <RAOF> MrKeuner: Exactly, the arch-specific kernels have been replaced by -generic
[04:29] <MrKeuner> RAOF: ok thanks
[04:31] <specialbuddy> it sits on the couch all day
[04:31] <specialbuddy> I told it to get a job
[04:33] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> hahaha
[04:33] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> Hobbsee: that is the best thing i've ever read form a bot
[04:33] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> !cheers
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> hmmm poor bot can't give cheers lol... and it deserves some for what just happened there
[04:34] <bts3685> i wonder if we can get the bot to kick us...hmm.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: *grin*
[04:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> Hobbsee: talk to kkathman any?
[04:34] <bretzel> How is ralink wireless setup now ?
[04:35] <bts3685> nope. nothing.
[04:35] <bts3685> bretzel: ralink?
[04:35] <bretzel> !wireless
[04:35] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:36] <Stormx2> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:36] <Stormx2> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[04:36] <Stormx2> Meaning?
[04:36] <Stormx2> How can I fix that? Happens in apt-get an synaptic.
[04:37] <bretzel> yes , ralink is the driver for my D-Link 54g ( dev named ra0 ) so ralink is the module name... and in Ubuntu7.04beta - there is failure
[04:37] <bts3685> Stormx2: that usually happens if apt/synaptic/whatever is already open
[04:37] <bts3685> "ralink" makes me think of "railgun"
[04:37] <Stormx2> bts3685: it isn't
[04:38] <bts3685> Stormx2: do you have enough HDD space? is your cache size big enough?
[04:38] <Stormx2> oh
[04:38] <Stormx2> that may be the prob
[04:38] <Stormx2> how can I clear out my cache?
[04:39] <bretzel> ...and Why is NetworkManager/+/Roaming is so much imposed ????? I use Linux primary on my Desktop computer. It would be very difficult to move that computer all the time to a cafe bar ... Thus, "Roaming/Itinerant" should be an option for laptops computers ...
[04:39] <bts3685> there's no good way to do it..nor is it recommended. you CAN however kick your cache size limit up
[04:39] <bts3685> i think it's somewheres in /etc/apt/
[04:40] <bts3685> or maybe just /etc/apt
[04:40] <johnnybuoy> can anyone confirm this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/103790 ?
[04:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 103790 in util-linux "external USB HDD canno't unmout" [Undecided,Needs info]
[04:41] <bts3685> bee arr bee! gotta check on a server and repack my pipe. (Stormx2: in the meantime, google it with debian. it was a common problem for people)
[04:47] <Stormx2> Okay
[04:47] <Stormx2> friend is going ubuntu
[04:47] <Stormx2> he's a desktop user
[04:47] <Stormx2> web browsing, etc etc
[04:47] <Stormx2> He's got an Athlon 64
[04:47] <Stormx2> Should he install the 64 bit version of ubuntu?
[04:47] <RAOF> Probably not.
[04:48] <RAOF> For web browsing, etc, it doesn't give any noticable performance benefits.
[04:48] <Stormx2> k.
[04:52] <bts3685> Stormx2: but take that with a grain of salt. 64-bit has a MUCH bigger support in terms of software available that will take advantage of it than windows
[04:52] <Stormx2> Hm.
[04:53] <bts3685> *in linux community than windows
[04:54] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.
[04:54] <RAOF> Everything in the repositories is 64bit.
[04:54] <RAOF> But it still doesn't gain you any performance for web browsing, email, wordprocessing, etc.
[04:55] <RAOF> (Because you could be comfortably using a 5+ year old processor for all that stuff anyway)
[04:55] <bts3685> no. definitely not. but it allows room to grow into more functionality if they should choose. : )  (but true. i agree- old system with fluxbox is the PERFECT rig for someone just checking e-mail, etc.)
[04:55] <RAOF> And evil, proprietary stuff (Flash, I'm looking at *you*) is harder to get working.
[04:56] <bts3685> oh goodness. don't utter that dirty F-word here plz. my poor ears! (eyes..?)
[04:56] <johnnybuoy> feisty!
[04:57] <cables> Will Gaim be changed to Pidgin in Feisty?
[04:58] <bts3685> lolz. not that word, johnny.
[05:02] <Arko> yawn
[05:02] <johnnybuoy> ;)
[05:03] <johnnybuoy> the "f" word here is Feisty, if I know right ;)
[05:04] <bts3685> no, not the DIRTY f-word. that's "flash"
[05:04] <bts3685> haha
[05:05] <Poul^Laptop> 00000297]  main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `VP62'. VLC probably does not support this sound or video format.
[05:06] <bts3685> Poul^Laptop: run "file (file you're trying to open)" for me
[05:08] <Poul^Laptop> cant, its a live steam
[05:08] <Poul^Laptop> stream.nsv
[05:09] <cables> Is Feisty going to have Pidgin or Gaim?
[05:09] <Poul^Laptop> it have gaim
[05:09] <cables> Poul^Laptop, Gaim is now Pidgin
[05:09] <cables> Will it be changed before final?
[05:09] <Poul^Laptop> :P :)
[05:09] <mycroftiv> have they even released a version though with pidgin logos?
[05:10] <Pumpernickel> It's a bit late for the name change.  They'll have it for the next release.
[05:10] <Pumpernickel> (From what I've heard.)
[05:10] <bts3685> Poul^Laptop: nsv is nullsoft's proprietary stream codec. i thought vlc could play it out of box though. do you have the proper codecs?
[05:10] <Poul^Laptop> i think so
[05:10] <bts3685> let me put it this way. can you play mp3?
[05:11] <bts3685> or wma even?
[05:11] <Poul^Laptop> what shall i searc for in the package manager bts3685
[05:13] <bts3685> ^
[05:14] <Poul^Laptop> hmm
[05:14] <Poul^Laptop> yes i can play mp3
[05:16] <bts3685> well, without being able to take a deeper look, it sounds like your vlc installation is borked a bit. did nsv play before?
[05:16] <bts3685> (gah, things are so much easier in gentoo with USE flags.)
[05:16] <Poul^Laptop> :)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> cables: what's in feisty now is more or less feisty final.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> cables: The Big Freeze is on the 12th
[05:17] <bts3685> otherwise i'd guess the stream is down
[05:18] <cables> Hobbsee, ok
[05:18] <mycroftiv> Another day, another big OO update to download. Im sure the changes are just a few K of source code, too bad you cant really diff-patch a binary
[05:24] <Toma-> is gaim going to be renamed for feisty?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> why would it be?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Toma-: see what i just said to cables
[05:25] <Toma-> ok.
[05:25] <Toma-> just curious anyhoo.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> there.
[05:29] <Nick^69> hi all
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:30] <Nick^69> Hobbsee How are you ?
[05:30] <yuriy> hey Hobbsee
[05:30] <Hobbsee> heya yuriy!
[05:30] <yuriy> you haven't read about gaim being renamed?
[05:30] <inade> ROFLOL
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Nick^69: good - rejecting bug reports, etc
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> aol needs to jump in a deep lake
[05:30] <Hobbsee> yuriy: nope.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> yuriy: where?
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/07/2014230&from=rss
[05:31] <yuriy> http://www.pidgin.im
[05:31] <Hobbsee> and we believe slashdot?
[05:31] <Nick^69> Cool same question I have Ubuntu 6.1 did not detect my wirless network
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:31] <yuriy> Hobbsee: my link is their new official site
[05:31] <Hobbsee> Nick^69: which wireless card?
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/
[05:31] <Nick^69> I have laptop Compaq r4000
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> same news posted...
[05:32] <Hobbsee> meh.  too late to change for feisty, i expect
[05:32] <Hobbsee> Nick^69: and which wireless card model?
[05:32] <Nick^69> Broadcom 802.11b/g wlan
[05:32] <Hobbsee> !broadcom
[05:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:32] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:32] <Hobbsee> see the wifidocs on broadcom
[05:32] <bts3685> they JUST had the gaim/pidgin convo in #ubuntu
[05:32] <riddlebox> Nick^69,  try sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[05:33] <Hobbsee> bts3685: heh.  great.
[05:33] <Nick^69> so do I have to dl and install ?
[05:33] <riddlebox> Nick^69,  try the command I typed, in a terminal
[05:34] <Hobbsee> that may work, too.
[05:34] <Nick^69> riddlebox which command ?
 Nick^69,  try sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[05:34] <Nick^69> ohh k
[05:34] <Nick^69> sorry
[05:34] <Nick^69> Thanks
[05:35] <inade> Why does Hobbsee tries to avoid #ubuntu?
[05:36] <Nick^69> I am going to install ubuntu 6.10 again then I will try this comand
[05:36] <Hobbsee> inade: because people dont search, and it annoys me.  and i have to keep booting people in there for being idiots - ie spamming, flaming, personal attacks, exploits, etc
[05:36] <riddlebox> Nick^69, if I were you I would just get the daily build of feisty and install that
[05:36] <riddlebox> then run that command, your life will be so much easier
[05:37] <Nick^69> daily build of feisty what is this ?
[05:37] <inade> I see.
[05:37] <Nick^69> sorry I am new on Linux
[05:37] <riddlebox> Nick^69, you know what fiesty is?
[05:38] <philip> is Pidgin (formerly GAIM) going to be included in feisty final?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> philip: see the /topic
[05:38] <Hobbsee> inade: and that they dont read topics, FAQs, etc, which is where most of their questiosn are likely to be answered.
[05:39] <inade> I have to give it to yous
[05:39] <Hobbsee> inade: hrm?
[05:39] <inade> Sorry, I trip in the keyboard keys.
[05:40] <Nick^69> daily build of feisty how do I install or where do I down load ?
[05:40] <inade> I have to give it to you that Ubuntu/Kubuntu has very good documentation.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> ahh.  yes, it does
[05:40] <Hobbsee> !daily
[05:40] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[05:40] <Hobbsee> (which i think are oversized, so they wont fit on a cd)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> !beta
[05:40] <ubotu> Download Feisty Fawn Beta at http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04, read release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta and upgrade instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades; consider doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing; Just because it's almost ready doesn't mean it is - final releases happen when they do for a reason, be warned and prepared for unbootable systems.
[05:40] <riddlebox> Nick^69, if you google daily build of feisty it will tell you
[05:40] <Nick^69> ubotu ty
[05:40] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[05:40] <riddlebox> or you can follow the bots :)
[05:40] <Nick^69> riddlebox ty
[05:40] <Hobbsee> Nick^69: you probably want to install the beta, and upgrade from there
[05:41] <Nick^69> Hobbsee 7.4 ?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Nick^69: 7.04, yes
[05:41] <bts3685> ubotu = best bot ever. EV.AR.
[05:42] <inade> I don't especially like Ubuntu/Kubuntu, but the documentation is worth sticking with it. JMO
[05:42] <Hobbsee> bts3685: *grin* - indeed
[05:45] <bts3685> oh man. so i was setting up a machine for a client today
[05:45] <bts3685> and
[05:45] <bts3685> listen to this:
[05:45] <bts3685> user password: impulse1oh1*
[05:45] <bts3685> root password: p0w3r0v3rwh3lm1ng~
[05:46] <bts3685> any takers on the references?
[05:46] <inade> poweroverwhelming
[05:47] <inade> can't make the user password, though.
[05:47] <bts3685> no no
[05:47] <bts3685> it's not that
[05:47] <bts3685> they're in reference to pcgames
[05:47] <riddlebox> is it a movie?
[05:47] <bts3685> poweroverwhelming = "god" cheatcode for starcraft
[05:48] <inade> oh. I keep the gaming to installing beta software...
[05:48] <bts3685> impulse 101 = "give all" code in half-life
[05:48] <bts3685> (lol at inade)
[05:49] <bts3685> i just NEEDED to share that
[05:49] <bts3685> (because i know that he's going to change them when he gets his machine)
[05:49] <inade> It's good.
[05:50] <bts3685> etc.
[05:51] <inade> We give Ubuntu LiveCDs to our M$ clients, as a little "bonus". I am amazed at how many people never heard of Linux.
[06:03] <|NewUser|> Is anyone ? i download some packages through apt-get but how to install those packages?
[06:04] <crimsun> they're already installed if you used apt-get install / aptitude install
[06:04] <|NewUser|> crimsun: if i want to check that packages installed or not how?
[06:05] <wizard> crimsun: hey, i found out what was causing that large bootup and pasted a temp fix for some people
[06:05] <wizard> crimsun: it has to do with simply dhcp timing out during "configuring network interface"
[06:05] <|NewUser|> wizard: thats the large bootup problem with me too.. fiesty going start too much late.
[06:06] <Nick^69> I am downloading feisty alternate amd 64.iso
[06:06] <wizard> |NewUser|: are you using wireless on the said computer?
[06:06] <robotgeek> hi, is kubuntu also supported here?
[06:06] <|NewUser|> wizard: no i m using Lan through hub.
[06:06] <wizard> |NewUser|: is there a wireless device at all by chance?
[06:07] <crimsun> wizard: there are numerous dupes of that bug reported.
[06:07] <|NewUser|> wizard: no wireless thingy here
[06:07] <wizard> crimsun: this solution worked for a couple people so far
[06:07] <wizard> crimsun: only trying to be a helpful guy :-(
[06:07] <wizard> |NewUser|: theres a couple steps you can take.
[06:07] <crimsun> |NewUser|: apt-cache policy, or dpkg -l
[06:07] <robotgeek> the kubuntu dist upgrade tool doesn't launch for me :(
[06:07] <robotgeek> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[06:07] <|NewUser|> crimsun: well i asked you something.. can anyhow i checked those download packages its installed or not?
[06:07] <crimsun> wizard: I'm not being curt, though it sometimes seems that way.
[06:08] <|NewUser|> crimsun: ok.
[06:08] <crimsun> |NewUser|: I just told you how.
[06:08] <wizard> first, check the /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf file and check that the timeout isn't set to say, 70 seconds.
[06:08] <robotgeek> Mez: just the person i needed to talk to. did you have anything to do with the dist-upgrade tool?
[06:08] <wizard> |NewUser|: talking to you btw sorry
[06:08] <wizard> |NewUser|: if it is set to like 60 seconds or so, change it to something lower... like 20.
[06:08] <|NewUser|> wizard: nevamind. but as i said i m using no wireless thingy.
[06:09] <wizard> |NewUser|: that wont matter if dhcp is timing out
[06:09] <crimsun> wizard: err, no, the actual workaround should be to remove any stanza not referring to "lo" (loopback) from /e/n/i
[06:09] <|NewUser|> wizard: then let me check it.
[06:09] <wizard> crimsun: thats what i was doing next
[06:09] <Mez> robotgeek, no
[06:09] <wizard> crimsun: lowering the timeout can also reduce boot times when not connected
[06:09] <robotgeek> Mez: okay, thanks. do you know who to talk to?
[06:10] <crimsun> wizard: that should not be touched
[06:10] <crimsun> wizard: the root symptom is in /e/n/i
[06:10] <wizard> |NewUser|: but as crimsun said, head over to /etc/network/interfaces and filter out anything not pretaining to lo
[06:10] <|NewUser|> crimsun: well i get some weird problem with installing fonts.. And openoffice* thingy.
[06:10] <wizard> |NewUser|: that should stop it from trying to configure the client during boot.
[06:10] <AndyCR> hi, im having weird download issues
[06:11] <wizard> |NewUser|: after that try a reboot and see how the system loads then
[06:11] <wizard> i went from 3 minute loads to 25 seconds
[06:11] <AndyCR> i cant seem to complete downloads, using either firefox or epiphany
[06:11] <|NewUser|> wizard: there is already timeout 30;
[06:11] <AndyCR> they get to a random amount, then freeze
[06:11] <wizard> |NewUser|: okay, do the next step then
[06:11] <|NewUser|> wizard: what?
[06:12] <wizard> |NewUser|: in /etc/network/interfaces, comment out everything that isn't associated with 'lo'
[06:13] <|NewUser|> wizard: can i paste 3 lines in ur pm?
[06:13] <wizard> |NewUser|: just use paste :-)
[06:13] <wizard> !paste
[06:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:13] <|NewUser|> ehh :/
[06:13] <|NewUser|> Sure.
[06:13] <wizard> im not authenticated so iunno if they'll go thru
[06:13] <wizard> robotgeek: i haven't seen you rockin' to my net radio
[06:13] <wizard> all radio'd out?
[06:13] <|NewUser|> wizard: i think u get my msgs.. but u aint reply me if u dont identify. :)
[06:14] <wizard> |NewUser|: you can go ahead and paste it in /msg then
[06:14] <robotgeek> wizard: heh, not really. i forgot to transfer your ip address to work comp :
[06:14] <wizard> but i usually prefer it on paste.
[06:14] <Mez> robotgeek, last person in the changelog ?
[06:14] <wizard> robotgeek: http://sovrad.no-ip.org:8001 ;-)
[06:14] <robotgeek> Mez: hmm, i did not look. probably ridell
[06:14] <|NewUser|> wizard: sure dude :) i m pasting there.
[06:14] <wizard> |NewUser|: alright
[06:15] <wizard> robotgeek: i haven't chatted with you in a lonngg while
[06:15] <wizard> i'll have to pop into k-o and catch up
[06:17] <wizard> did i get disconnected?
[06:18] <robotgeek> wizard: nope
[06:18] <wizard> robotgeek: oh, lol
[06:18] <wizard> i never know anymore
[06:18] <mister_roboto> what's the recommended way to enable opengl desktop now that beryl and compiz are going to merge? (or so i read)   this is in feisty
[06:19] <misfit_toy> grrrr, feisty does *not* obey keyboard mappings.
[06:19] <|NewUser|> wizard: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14518/
[06:20] <wizard> |NewUser|: i am gonna update some changes to your pastebin to show you how it should look
[06:21] <wizard> |NewUser|: you essentially want everything other than lo commented
[06:21] <wizard> |NewUser|: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14520/
[06:21] <|NewUser|> wizard: ok..
[06:21] <wizard> |NewUser|: thats how it should look
[06:22] <|NewUser|> wizard: okie when system bootup. then manully i enable it?
[06:22] <wizard> what do you use to manage your networks?
[06:22] <wizard> if you use network-manager, long as its plugged in it should be started once you log in
[06:23] <|NewUser|> wizard: okIE let me try it..
[06:23] <wizard> |NewUser|: alright :-)
[06:23] <|NewUser|> wizard: i got another weird problem .. i aint wth going there..
[06:23] <wizard> whats the other issue?
[06:24] <|NewUser|> wizard: i just upgrade my dist through apt-get dist-upgrade some packages installed fine.. but some not going to install
[06:24] <|NewUser|> wizard: Check This http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14488
[06:24] <wizard> |NewUser|: so you didn't get all the feisty packages?
[06:24] <|NewUser|> wizard: no :< packages downloaded .. but dont know all packages not installed successfully.
[06:25] <wizard> 0,o.
[06:25] <wizard> robotgeek: can you take a peak at that paste there?
[06:26] <thompaok> heh
[06:27] <thompaok> can i change mac partition and make it home
[06:27] <wizard> thompaok: as in change an apple partition to a linux partition to use as a home folder?
[06:28] <thompaok> i would just reinstall but i got too many files
[06:29] <thompaok> if i have no home partition yet can i make one
[06:29] <robotgeek> wizard: not sure, been away from this way too long
[06:29] <wizard> thompaok: absolutely.
[06:29] <thompaok> i want to remove mac os,
[06:29] <wizard> thompaok: so you want to take your current partition and resize it and make a /home partition?
[06:29] <wizard> thompaok: or you want to take another partition, format it, and mount it as /home?
[06:29] <thompaok> yes and im on dual boot now
[06:30] <wizard> thompaok: you could just fire up the ubuntu liveCD, launch gparted, format the said partition to ext3 (or whatever you prefer) and mount it as /home
[06:31] <thompaok> will it transfer account info or something
[06:31] <wizard> errr... iunno about that. you're trying to retain the data from the mac harddrive?
[06:31] <wizard> s/harddrive/partition
[06:31] <thompaok> i got all the mac data on a linux ipod
[06:32] <wizard> thompaok: the method i told you would simply dump all content, format the drive, and mount it wherever you tell it to mount.
[06:33] <wizard> thompaok: are you on a ppc mac?
[06:33] <thompaok> new ibook, working real well
[06:34] <wizard> thompaok: ibooks were discontinued a bit over a year ago weren't they?
[06:34] <thompaok> but i am usinf a lazer usb mouse
[06:34] <thompaok> macbook sorry
[06:34] <wizard> cos iw as under the impression that ibooks were all ppc, and macbooks
[06:34] <wizard> ahh okkay!
[06:34] <wizard> so you're intel based. i was gonna say i am sure ppc support is coming to a close in a lot of distros'
[06:34] <thompaok> basic white model. i added to 2G
[06:35] <wizard> okay.
[06:35] <thompaok> ubuntu is faster. esp open office
[06:35] <wizard> yeah.
[06:35] <wizard> i have an older mac, i was never impressed.
[06:35] <wizard> it fell apart way too easy
[06:36] <thompaok> openoffice opens in about 2-8 secs, osx maybe 25 secs or more
[06:36] <wizard> well remember in os x open-office is running through X emulation
[06:36] <wizard> its going to be noticably slower.
[06:36] <|NewUser|> wizard: did u check my last pastebin link? damn @ thats weird when i try to install something @ that msg comes on terminal @
[06:37] <thompaok> optical mouse wont work
[06:37] <wizard> |NewUser|: yeah, i asked someone else to take a peek
[06:37] <wizard> |NewUser|: apt isn't a strong point for me
[06:37] <Chetwin> Sup all
[06:37] <thompaok> on the asus big box same problem with optical mouse
[06:37] <|NewUser|> wizard: can u do something plz :< i want to install some packages but .. damn this thingy.. going weird.
[06:38] <thompaok> wizard: the other problem was with my ipod, it wont work in osx
[06:38] <thompaok> and i had ext2 on it, in linux i could open it right away
[06:39] <Chetwin> thompaok: Your IPOD doesn't work in OSX?
[06:39] <thompaok> well it will start to work but its partition is too small i think
[06:39] <wizard> |NewUser|: i really don't know much about apt :-(
[06:39] <wizard> i'd love to help, you can see if someone else in here could point it out
[06:39] <wizard> to me it looks like maybe the cache doesn't have proper permissions? dunno
[06:39] <|NewUser|> wizard: anyhow i can fix it? i just want to upgrade my box completely.
[06:40] <shirish> is there software to mount an iso as a virtual cd/dvd -rom?
[06:40] <wizard> crimsun: who would he want to talk to about apt?
[06:40] <crimsun> what's the issue?
[06:40] <thompaok> Chetwin: its a 20G ipod with podzilla and storage folder.
[06:40] <crimsun> (I've not been following)
[06:40] <wizard> crimsun: his paste for his apt-get shows that it can't write to the ache
[06:40] <wizard> cache*
[06:40] <|NewUser|> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14488
[06:40] <wizard> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14488/
[06:41] <crimsun> mount && df -h
[06:42] <shirish> crimsun is that for me?
[06:42] <thompaok> wizard: its weird but i think its working better in ubuntu right now, digicam can make web pages anyway
[06:43] <crimsun> shirish: no, that was for |NewUser|
[06:43] <wizard> i'll be back in a few, thompaok. i have to go play designated driver for a boozed friend
[06:43] <shirish> crimsun ok cool
[06:43] <|NewUser|> crimsun: its for me :S i m waiting for your reply.
[06:43] <|NewUser|> *i thaught.
[06:44] <choudesh> so what is new all?
[06:44] <thompaok> take care dude
[06:44] <crimsun> |NewUser|: no, I'm awaiting /yours/
[06:45] <|NewUser|> crimsun: Sorry For Late Reply http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14524
[06:45] <corevette> Will Feisty change Gaim's name to Pidgin?
[06:46] <shirish> only if Pidgin wants to gaim :)
[06:46] <crimsun> |NewUser|: dmesg|tail
[06:46] <Zewey> probably only in feisty+1?
[06:47] <corevette> shirish pidgin is gaim
[06:47] <|NewUser|> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14525
[06:47] <shirish> ok guys I am looking for some software which can turn an iso to an dvd,vcd an cd/dvd emulators?
[06:48] <choudesh> shirish, pidgin is the name given to any language created....seems kinda funny, huh?
[06:49] <shirish> choudesh, corevette: it sounds to be going to be those masterpieces where nobody will come to know which came first pidgim or gaim
[06:49] <r00tintheb0x> hey all
[06:49] <corevette> pidgin was created today sihrish
[06:49] <crimsun> |NewUser|: sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[06:49] <corevette> shirish
[06:49] <choudesh> shirish, heh
[06:49] <shirish> ;)
[06:49] <|NewUser|> crimsun: ok i done it
[06:50] <shirish> corevette: where did u hear that ?
[06:50] <corevette> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ first news story shirish            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_%28instant_messaging_client%29
[06:50] <crimsun> away for a tick
[06:51] <shirish> corevette: reading it actually
[06:51] <|NewUser|> crimsun: now what should i do?
[06:51] <shirish> now if somebody only knows a virtual cd/dvd-rom software
[06:52] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, use mount
[06:52] <r00tintheb0x> mount -o loop /path/to/imagefile /mount/point
[06:52] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: what should I gave as mount point?
[06:53] <r00tintheb0x> just make something like /media/image
[06:53] <r00tintheb0x> mkdir /media/image
[06:53] <shirish> rootinthebox: and then when I want to unmount it, how do I do that
[06:53] <|NewUser|> crimsun: still i have same problem dude :< whats that?
[06:53] <r00tintheb0x> shirish
[06:53] <r00tintheb0x> umount /media/image
[06:54] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: there is no graphical utility which will do the same thing?
[06:54] <wizard> |NewUser|: okay i am back... have you tried a reboot since our little modification?
[06:54] <r00tintheb0x> not too sure, you'll have to google around.
[06:55] <|NewUser|> wizard: Just this is New Modification " sudo mount -o remount,rw / "
[06:55] <|NewUser|> wizard: so i Restart for this?
[06:55] <wizard> |NewUser|: no no, i meant the network config.
[06:56] <Hidan> yeech, i'll never enable power management again. somehow, even though only the screen and not the pc, was set to turn off, something must've caused the pc to hang. bah lol
[06:56] <|NewUser|> wizard: i want to solve this isshue :< i just want to upgrade and install some apps.. but coz 0f this i aint installed anything.
[06:57] <wizard> |NewUser|: no one able to get you help?
[06:57] <|NewUser|> wizard: still not.
[06:57] <|NewUser|> *no one
[06:57] <wizard> |NewUser|: just be patient, also google around or check the ubuntu forums
[06:58] <Hidan> newuser: not able to mount volumes?
[06:58] <|NewUser|> wizard: maybe xtknight is able to help me for this. but at the time.. i g0t breakdown problem.. so he is gone.
[06:58] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, what seems to be the problem.
[06:58] <|NewUser|> Hidan: no my issue is maybe big
[06:58] <choudesh> |NewUser|, I'll fill in for xt
[06:58] <Hidan> newuser: maybe you can try looking in Launchpad.
[06:58] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14488
[06:58] <choudesh> |NewUser|, state your issue again
[06:59] <|NewUser|> choudesh: thats the problem on pastebin.
[06:59] <choudesh> |NewUser|, what is the permissions on /var/cache/apt?
[07:00] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, have you tried "dpkg --reconfigure -all"
[07:00] <r00tintheb0x> ?
[07:00] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: i m new so i dont know much about linux
[07:00] <|NewUser|> choudesh: let me look
[07:00] <r00tintheb0x> try that
[07:01] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: thanx it works, I am reading the new wikipedia cd :)
[07:01] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, what worked?
[07:01] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: dpkg: unknown option --reconfigure
[07:01] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, the MTU thing?
[07:01] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: the mount -o loop /path/to/image /mount/point
[07:02] <r00tintheb0x> good shirish
[07:02] <Hobbsee> |NewUser|: use --configure
[07:02] <|NewUser|> Hobbsee: Just want to upgrade my box with updates. c0z i install fiesty beta.
[07:02] <choudesh> Hobbsee, r00tintheb0x, |NewUser| it may be a number of issues. Out of space in /var, wrong permission for /var/cache/apt
[07:02] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I have yet to try to update the MTU thing, I know its used to fasten the internet experience
[07:03] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, just like this
[07:03] <Hidan> geez i'm really lucky konqueror's a web browser. Opera and Epiphany refuse to start. SwiftFox keeps crashing. And such are the issues of running a beta o/s. :p
[07:03] <r00tintheb0x> dpkg reconfigure -a
[07:03] <choudesh> |NewUser|, what is the output of 'df -h' and 'ls -la /var/cache/apt'
[07:04] <|NewUser|> choudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14525
[07:04] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: the mount thing, will it be saved lets say after I shutdown & restart the machine?
[07:04] <r00tintheb0x> choudesh, thats doubtful.;
[07:04] <|NewUser|> choudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14524
[07:04] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, you'll lose it @ reboot
[07:04] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, what was the last think you tried to install?
[07:05] <shirish> drats
[07:05] <choudesh> |NewUser|, and the permissions?
[07:05] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: i think sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is the last thing i did.
[07:05] <dystopianray> shirish: put a line in /etc/fstab if you want automatic mounts at boot
[07:06] <|NewUser|> choudesh: permissions ?
[07:06] <choudesh> |NewUser|, 'ls -la /var/cache/apt'
[07:07] <|NewUser|> choudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14530
[07:07] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, i think i figured it out
[07:07] <r00tintheb0x> are you fimiliar with bash?
[07:07] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: no i am new with linux
[07:07] <shirish> dystopianray: what I want is something like poweriso used to do in windows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerISO
[07:08] <r00tintheb0x> okay open up a bash shell
[07:08] <dystopianray> shirish: what part of it's functionality do you want?
[07:08] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: okie open terminal
[07:08] <shirish> dystopianray: the ability to graphically mount & unmount .iso
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, paste after me
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> cd /etc/fonts
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> cp fonts.conf fonts.conf_bak
[07:09] <shirish> dystopianray: http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ is the only listed by wikipedia & that too the svn one
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> cp fonts.conf.dpk-dist fonts.conf
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> dkpg -r --force-all ttf-opensymbol
[07:09] <|NewUser|> error with copying
[07:09] <dystopianray> shirish: I don't know about graphically but it's trivial to mount in an iso from the terminal
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> ok |NewUser|
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> hold up
[07:09] <|NewUser|> ok
[07:10] <shirish> dystopianray: I have mounted it, but everytime to mount it is a pain, and everytime it is not going to be the same .iso which I might want to mount
[07:10] <shirish> dystopianray: everytime in the sense, when I reboot the system
[07:10] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, do this "sudo dpkg-reconfigure ttf-opensymbol"
[07:11] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: ttf-opensymbol is broken or not full installed
[07:11] <Hidan> can anyone reccommend a good set of codecs for feisty?
[07:12] <dystopianray> Hidan: what exactly do you want to be able to do?
[07:12] <Hobbsee> !codecs
[07:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:12] <RAOF> Hidan: Yes.  Try to play the file in Totem, and it'll ask whether or not you want to install the decoder.
[07:13] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, "sudo aptitude install ttf-opensymbol"
[07:13] <shirish> RAOF: .wmv does not play nice with anything
[07:13] <dystopianray> shirish: do you need to have it mounted or do you just want to grab files out of the iso?
[07:13] <Hidan> roaf: oh... lol
[07:13] <shirish> dystopianray: nope needs to be mounted, it is an .iso which is meant to be burnt
[07:13] <RAOF> shirish: It *should* play nice with totem-gstreamer and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[07:14] <Hidan> dystopianray: i'm just trying to play a .mov file... my system had some error messages while trying to shut down last night. And i captured it with a digicam.
[07:14] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: same failed to write cache. All things. same as apt-get
[07:14] <shirish> dystopianray: i am not being difficult, it is software, which needs a proper index & stuff
[07:14] <dystopianray> shirish: i never said you were being difficult
[07:14] <dystopianray> shirish: I don't know how to ease user mounting of iso images, I think there is a specification for that for some future ubuntu release
[07:15] <shirish> RAOF: well there is .wmv which is sitting there, playing it in totem, gives an error
[07:15] <shirish> RAOF: using vlc it just plays the music, no picture
[07:15] <RAOF> shirish: Aaah, the joys of proprietary *everything*.
[07:15] <shirish> RAOF: yup I know lol
[07:15] <dystopianray> shirish: the forums mention some nautilus scripts to perform mounting and unmounting of iso images with gksudo
[07:16] <shirish> dystopianray: can u hunt down that specs
[07:16] <RAOF> Wow, medibuntu's ffmpeg is *ancient*
[07:16] <RAOF> It's, like, from *last year* :P
[07:16] <dystopianray> shirish: no, but you can
[07:16] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: if u want to Check whats happening i can paste it agian on pastebin.
[07:16] <shirish> dystopianray: what should I look for?
[07:16] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: but all thing goes like apt
[07:17] <shirish> dystopianray: also what keyword/string should I be using in forums?
[07:17] <dystopianray> shirish 'ubuntu user iso mount' maybe
[07:17] <shirish> dystopianray: ok hang on
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, is this edgy or fiesty?
[07:18] <dystopianray> shirish: ok I found the spec, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageMounting
[07:19] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, do this "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[07:19] <shirish> dystopianray: thanx, looking at it, I do hope there is a subscribe thing there
[07:19] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: i m using fiestybeta.. thats why want to upgrade my box with updates
[07:19] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, do this "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[07:20] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: again same " Failed to write cache
[07:20] <r00tintheb0x> wth
[07:20] <r00tintheb0x> every command is " Failed to write cache"?
[07:20] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: :>
[07:20] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: yes.. every cmd. and anything if i want to install something.. then same thing happens.
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> try mount
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> same thing?
[07:21] <|NewUser|> mount ?
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> just type
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> mount
[07:22] <choudesh> r00tintheb0x, I see what you are doing. I can't explain his cache issue either
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> did it work?
[07:22] <|NewUser|> choudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14531
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> i can explain it.
[07:22] <|NewUser|> *r00tintheb0x
[07:22] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: check this url.
[07:22] <|NewUser|> yes it works
[07:22] <choudesh> heh. good job r00tintheb0x
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, can i ssh into your machine and try to fix it?
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> this is a tough one
[07:23] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: yes u can .. but im new so i dont know how u can connect to my machine. guide. me
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, are you behind a router?
[07:24] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: no
[07:24] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, join #ub3rl33t
[07:25] <shirish> RAOF: how did u find that medibuntu ffmpeg is *ancient* ?
[07:28] <RAOF> The package name.
[07:28] <RAOF> It includes the SVN revision it's based on.
[07:28] <Sebastian> Any idea why an update wants to pull in loads of KDE packages for Ubuntu (not Kubuntu) now?
[07:29] <wlx> Sebastian, I have the same problem
[07:29] <RAOF> Sebastian: Yup.  openoffice.org-style-crystal includes "kde-icons-crystal" in its Recommends: line.
[07:29] <RAOF> And kde-icon-crystal includes... etc.
[07:29] <Sebastian> Okay, so it's a dependency issue.
[07:29] <wlx> RAOF, is this a bug or a feature?
[07:30] <RAOF> Bug, I'd expect.
[07:30] <RAOF> But I haven't actually checked to see if it's filed.
[07:30] <wlx> RAOF, have you reported it?
[07:31] <wlx> RAOF, I searched and found nothing
[07:31] <Hobbsee> aieeee....who did *that*?
[07:32] <wizard> robotgeek: are you in k-o?
[07:33] <CpuWhiz> I installed the kubuntu feisty beta, ran all the updates and installed the restricted manager and it said "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers" even tho I have a nvidia card and a broadcom.
[07:33] <CpuWhiz> am I missing somthing?
[07:33] <Hobbsee> wlx: give me a sec
[07:35] <shirish> ok anybody having the time jump by 15-20 mins. after being feisty is on for some hrs.
[07:35] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, is it a legacy nvidia card?
[07:35] <Hobbsee> wlx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/104176
[07:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 104176 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org-style-crystal recommends  kde-icons-crystal which pulls in KDE for ubuntu users" [High,Confirmed]
[07:35] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: FX Go5600
[07:36] <r00tintheb0x> i'd say not
[07:36] <Hobbsee> RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/104176/
[07:36] <wlx> Hobbsee, thanks
[07:37] <shirish> bug #104091
[07:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 104091 in gnome-panel "time jumps ahead 10-20 minutes no matter the ntp server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104091
[07:37] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, what comes up in "lspci"
[07:38] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV31M [GeForce FX Go5600]  (rev a1)
[07:38] <shirish> somebody else has filed it, if anybody also sees the same issue, feel free to confirm it, it is an annoyance
[07:38] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz,
[07:38] <r00tintheb0x> dmesg |grep NV |more
[07:38] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: [    0.000000]   BIOS-e820: 000000001ff7b000 - 000000001ff80000 (ACPI NVS)
[07:38] <CpuWhiz> just the one line
[07:38] <Hobbsee> wlx: marked as critical.  i'm considering fixing it now...
[07:40] <Hobbsee> flipping heck...   Need to get 309MB of source archives.
[07:40] <Hobbsee> that's just the source!
[07:41] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: would it matter that I used aptitude to install the restricted-manager package instead of the checkbox in Add/Remove?
[07:42] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, restricted manager package?
[07:43] <CpuWhiz> yeah, I installed it via aptitude instead of the checkbox in the Add/Remove GUI
[07:43] <r00tintheb0x> that doesn't matter.
[07:43] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, are you decient with the command line?
[07:43] <CpuWhiz> yes
[07:44] <wlx> Hobbsee, yes, I do think so.
[07:44] <CpuWhiz> I just wanted to let you know I installed it via the non-standard way, just to be on the safe side
[07:44] <Hobbsee> wlx: but it's openoffice...
[07:44] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, are you decient with the command line?
[07:44] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: already said I was
[07:45] <r00tintheb0x> ok whip it open.
[07:45] <r00tintheb0x> sudo -i
[07:45] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, "aptitude search nvidia"
[07:45] <CpuWhiz> yeah, i figured that much already :)
[07:46] <CpuWhiz> which package are you looking for
[07:46] <cntb> \o .still shouldn't use Feisty on Production Systems ?
[07:46] <r00tintheb0x> anything with an I to the left if it.
[07:46] <FunnyLookinHat> cntb, technically no... but it's fairly stable by now.
[07:47] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx (I installed that one)
[07:47] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, "aptitude purge nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx"
[07:47] <cntb> is beryl-compiz included?
[07:48] <FunnyLookinHat> cntb, they're in the repositories, yes.
[07:48] <Hobbsee> cntb: beryl-compiz?
[07:48] <cntb> is there an windows -> ubuntu satisfying transition?
[07:48] <CpuWhiz> we going to let it remove the restricted packages then?
[07:48] <cntb> tyvm FunnyLookinHat
[07:48] <FunnyLookinHat> cntb, but they are two separate packages...  one is beryl, another is compiz.
[07:48] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, have you already uncommented the restricted repositories out of your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:48] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, yes for now
[07:48] <FunnyLookinHat> cntb, worked well for me, basically copied all of my personal documents over without a hitch
[07:48] <CpuWhiz> i have not touched it yet
[07:49] <CpuWhiz> i thought this was supposed to be a point and click thing in feisty :D
[07:49] <cntb> FunnyLookinHat: I heard from pricey IIRC they may converge
[07:49] <r00tintheb0x> it is
[07:49] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[07:49] <Hobbsee> cntb: yes, but not done for feisty
[07:49] <FunnyLookinHat> cntb, right now it is the plan...    : )
[07:49] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: done
[07:49] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[07:49] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, are all sources enabled in your sources.list?
[07:50] <CpuWhiz> let me check
[07:50] <CpuWhiz> main and restricted
[07:51] <CpuWhiz> you want me to add the other 2?
[07:51] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, so you have no "# deb"
[07:51] <r00tintheb0x> ?
[07:51] <r00tintheb0x> they're all uncommented?
[07:51] <CpuWhiz> nvm, multiverse and universe is
[07:51] <r00tintheb0x> uncomment them all
[07:51] <CpuWhiz> the only thing commented is backports
[07:52] <r00tintheb0x> bleh
[07:52] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[07:52] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz,
[07:52] <r00tintheb0x> aptitude install linux-restricted-modules nvidia-glx nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig
[07:52] <CpuWhiz> i wasn't looking very hard, the multiverse and universe were on other lines :D
[07:52] <Ubuntulator> hi all
[07:53] <Ubuntulator> where can i find more info about avahl ?
[07:53] <jkfls> Hi, after installing feisty from livecd (which loaded gnome just fine without error), I'm having xsession errors with every desktop I've tried loading (fluxbox, gnome, kde) using nv or vesa drivers for xorg; it just goes back to login with loading desktop.
[07:53] <dystopianray> jkfls: what are the errors?
[07:53] <CpuWhiz> nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig are conflicting with nvidia-glx and it doesn't want to install nvidia-glx
[07:53] <r00tintheb0x> no
[07:54] <dystopianray> CpuWhiz: nvidia-setings and nvidia-xconfig come with nvidia-glx
[07:54] <r00tintheb0x> aptitude install linux-restricted-modules nvidia-glx
[07:54] <jkfls> dystopianray: what's written in .xsession-errors : /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp; etc/gdm/Presession/Default: running: /usr/X11R6/bin/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp - x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "jen" ; /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup....
[07:54] <r00tintheb0x> yeah
[07:54] <CpuWhiz> then don't add them to your command :D
[07:54] <Ubuntulator> !avahl
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avahl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <dystopianray> !avahi
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avahi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:55] <dystopianray> Ubuntulator: it's avahi not avahl
[07:55] <r00tintheb0x> my bad
[07:55] <Ubuntulator> ahh ok
[07:55] <Ubuntulator> yeah the font used on the ubuntu web site is nasty
[07:55] <CpuWhiz> it's wanting to install the 386 kernel btw
[07:56] <r00tintheb0x> yeah let it do it.
[07:56] <jkfls> dystopianray: any idea? i'm trying to run on a sony vaio w/ nvidia
[07:57] <CpuWhiz> i get to reboot now huh
[07:58] <Ubuntulator> any how i was wondering if avahi  will solve the issues that edgy and some apps have with mounting network shares with out having to use the samba monut work around?
[07:58] <CpuWhiz> or did u want to do something else first
[07:58] <CpuWhiz> like the xorg conf
[07:58] <dystopianray> jkfls: at what point did this error start appearing?
[07:58] <dystopianray> Ubuntulator: most likely not
[07:59] <Ubuntulator> ouch
[07:59] <jkfls> dystopianray: the first time i've loaded ubuntu from hdd after installing it from livedvd
[07:59] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, i'll be back in 15
[07:59] <r00tintheb0x> gotta get some cigs
[08:00] <Ubuntulator> its a major issue and it will most likly be what stops me from switching all my PC's to linux
[08:00] <Ubuntulator> commannd line samba is not an option for the females in the house
[08:01] <DanaG> !pidgin
[08:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pidgin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:02] <DanaG> Will the name of Gaim change in Feisty?
[08:07] <FunnyLookinHat> DanaG, in the next release after feisty probably
[08:07] <Hobbsee> DanaG: see /topic
[08:07] <DanaG> Aah.
[08:07] <DanaG> I think that's kind of a good thing not to have the name change yet.
[08:08] <FunnyLookinHat> It will be changed in the next release when we sync the new version of GAIM over.  : )
[08:08] <DanaG> s/latest/latest versions of SOME things/
[08:09] <DanaG> Not bleeding-edge hardware, for sure.  I
[08:09] <DanaG> s/I//
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, you there?
[08:12] <CpuWhiz> yes
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> check it out
[08:12] <CpuWhiz> I have 3d working now, so let's just skip to the broadcom driver
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> LOL!
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> rockin
[08:12] <jkfls> dystopianray_: do you have any idea what i could do?
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> whats the chip on the broadcom
[08:12] <CpuWhiz> the one that always gives me grief is the wifi
[08:13] <dystopianray_> jkfls: at what point did the error messages start appearing?
[08:13] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[08:13] <DanaG> 2.6.21 is funny: it lets me turn my backlight entirely OFF.
[08:13] <jkfls> dystopianray_: after i started loading ubuntu from hdd after installing from livedvd
[08:14] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, join #ub3rl33r
[08:14] <jkfls> dystopianray_: it loaded fine from livedvd, but desktop never loaded when i tried running off hdd
[08:14] <r00tintheb0x> this'll take a min
[08:14] <dystopianray_> jkfls: oh, I don't know what the problem could be
[08:14] <jkfls> dystopianray_: should i reinstall ubuntu??
[08:14] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, did you hear?
[08:14] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: were u going to join that channel?
[08:15] <dystopianray_> jkfls: well I can only assume it'll lead to the same problem...
[08:15] <DanaG> e1000: eth0: e1000_request_irq: Unable to allocate MSI interrupt Error: -22
[08:15] <r00tintheb0x> im already there
[08:15] <r00tintheb0x> i want you to join it
[08:15] <jkfls> dystopianray_: so why would it have no problem loading from livedvd? :/
[08:15] <dystopianray_> jkfls: no idea
[08:16] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: on freenode? freenode whois says your not...
[08:16] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[08:16] <r00tintheb0x> #ub3rl33t
[08:16] <r00tintheb0x> im there
[08:16] <dystopianray_> jkfls: does the dvd install differently from the cd?
[08:17] <jkfls> i didn't try the cd, i was using the dvd. everything worked so i assume it'd be fine
[08:18] <dystopianray_> jkfls: did you verify the dvd after it was burnt, to ensuer it is free of errors?
[08:19] <jkfls> dystopianray_: no, i didn't. everything seemed to install fine and work fine booting from disk though. ill just try verifying in the morning, i suppose..
[08:20] <dystopianray_> jkfls: all you need to do is put the dvd in a dvdrom drive and calculate it's md5sum
[08:20] <jkfls> dystopianray_: does that take long?
[08:20] <dystopianray_> jkfls: depends how fast your drive is
[08:21] <dystopianray_> jkfls: and how big the livedvd is
[08:21] <dystopianray_> jkfls: it has to read all the data from the dvd
[08:21] <dystopianray_> maybe 10-15 mins at most
[08:21] <jkfls> 4gb
[08:22] <joshua_> hi all -- I just installed Feisty on a new laptop, and I took notes on what I thought as I went through the installation process; in particular, about the user interface. is there a list akin to debian-installer where I should be submitting feedback?
[08:22] <dystopianray_> joshua_: what problems did you have?
[08:23] <joshua_> a bunch of little wording/interface things, but the only really big thing that I had to turn off new user mode for was resizing my Vista partition
[08:23] <dystopianray_> new user mode?
[08:23] <jkfls> Also, anyone here that can help me with beryl on an ati/gnome/feisty system? :-[
[08:23] <joshua_> evidently the NTFS partition was not clean, and so it either failed to resize it, or on the second try didn't give me the otpion
[08:24] <joshua_> new user mode is when I stop thinking like a Linux user and start thinking like a Windows user
[08:24] <dystopianray_> joshua_: it wouldn't resize the partition?
[08:25] <joshua_> it would not do so. I installed gparted, and tried through there
[08:25] <joshua_> turned out that my issues were twofold. I was trying to resize the partition to be smaller than I had space for the first time -- I got a generic failure when I tried that. I booted windows and cleared up some space, and got frustrated when Windows was sitting there for ages "Shutting down...", and hard rebooted the machine
[08:26] <joshua_> that left the NTFS unclean, and I got another generic failure when I tried to resize
[08:26] <dystopianray_> joshua_: generic failures did not give adequate error messages?
[08:26] <joshua_> nope
[08:26] <joshua_> I believe it just told me that it failed to resize it
[08:27] <joshua_> more reasonable might have been parsing the ntfsresize output and determining that it failed because the filesystem was not clean, and then telling me to boot into windows and click on something or other on the Ubuntu CD which would be a wrapper for chkdsk /f
[08:28] <dystopianray_> yes that sounds like a good idea
[08:28] <r00tintheb0x> how can i do an ugly upgrade from edgy to fiesty?
[08:28] <r00tintheb0x> replace my sources.list with fiesty?
[08:28] <joshua_> other non-wording issues -- seems like NetworkManager should probably default to picking out the strongest wireless network if it can. why make me do it when it can possibly do it on its own?
[08:29] <dystopianray_> joshua_: I don't think it's supposed to pick any network by default
[08:29] <crimsun> joshua_: what if that's not the network that one wants?
[08:29] <joshua_> I guess it couold go either way. it's not obvious how to get it to connect to a network
[08:30] <crimsun> joshua_: think: an AP that doesn't broadcast its essid
[08:30] <joshua_> crimsun, yeah, I guess in an apartment complex or something then you could get undesirable behavior.
[08:30] <joshua_> sure, that is another case where you could lose
[08:31] <joshua_> that one could go either way. if I didn't know about networkmanager beforehand, though, there's no chance I would've figured out to left-click on the two black boxes with the X, though
[08:32] <joshua_> hmm, why can't linux-image-2.6.20-13-386, linux-restricted-modules-*, and nvidia-glx be authenticated?
[08:32] <DanaG> nm-applet needs a status thingy like knetworkmanager has.
[08:32] <dystopianray_> status?
[08:33] <DanaG> (oh, and use generic instead of i386.)
[08:33] <DanaG> Try knetworkmanager.  It has more useful info.
[08:33] <joshua_> DanaG, I just used the restricted drivers application to do my bidding
[08:33] <dystopianray_> DanaG: I use kubuntu and knetworkmanager, are you talking abou the popup bubble thing?
[08:34] <crimsun> joshua_: use another mirror.
[08:34] <DanaG> Yeah, and the on-hover in the menu.
[08:34] <joshua_> as long as we are on about popup bubbles... one of the big things that Ubuntu has going for it is that it is a very clean desktop on boot; the first impression when the user walks up to their system after it's booted is that it hasn't got any cruft.
[08:34] <dystopianray_> I don't like the on-hover in the menu, it should show the same details when you hover over the knetworkmanager icon
[08:35] <joshua_> therefore, the Restricted Drivers popup is very dangerous. aside from being poorly proofread, it makes the desktop look sloppy -- prone to having things pop up and whine, a la Windows.
[08:36] <r00tintheb0x> i'd just like to let all you freaks now, im upgrading to fiesty so i can help you all w/your problems.
[08:36] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[08:36] <fb33> wow. I just triple booted via ntbldr. linux xp vista
[08:36] <joshua_> when I was reading that wiki page, there were some ideas for having that pop up on the /second/ boot, instead of the first; that seemed more sane to me...
[08:36] <fb33> I should write a tutorial
[08:36] <dystopianray_> joshua_: what if the person never reboots?
[08:37] <dystopianray_> joshua_: I would hate it if random things started happening after arbitrary numbers of reboots
[08:37] <joshua_> yeah, I guess.
[08:37] <joshua_> it seems bad to have that on the very first impression of the system.
[08:38] <fb33> anyone else dp that?
[08:38] <joshua_> clean, happy, calming sound boot sounds, and -- your hardware is non-Free! it can't be supported! your system will be unstable! the world is coming to an end!
[08:38] <fb33> just thought it was interesting
[08:39] <dystopianray_> can you get ntldr to load amigados?
[08:41] <t3hwiz0rd> if i boot from liveCD can i resize my / partition with little error?
[08:42] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, to install ubuntu on a windows drive?
[08:42] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[08:42] <dystopianray_> no I think he wants to resize a linux partition
[08:42] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: no no, i need to resize my home to give more to root
[08:42] <joshua_> t3hwiz0rd, you should always back up your data before diddling with partitions. if you wish to resize ext3 or reiserfs (which is what I'd assume / would be), then you should be able to
[08:42] <t3hwiz0rd> root partition was made too small
[08:42] <joshua_> you'll want to install gparted in the livecd environment.
[08:42] <t3hwiz0rd> well fortunately i don't care about this data
[08:42] <t3hwiz0rd> its a brand new week old install
[08:43] <t3hwiz0rd> and i've been breaking it daily lol
[08:43] <RAOF> t3hwiz0rd: Make it on LVM, and you can dynamically resize your root.
[08:43] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, paste me "fdisk -l" to http://pastebin.ca
[08:44] <t3hwiz0rd> ubuntu doesn't have lvm out of the box does it?
[08:44] <t3hwiz0rd> as an isntallable option?
[08:44] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[08:44] <r00tintheb0x> on the server CD
[08:44] <t3hwiz0rd> fdisk -l didn't return anything?
[08:44] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[08:44] <r00tintheb0x> sudo fdisk -l
[08:45] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14542/
[08:46] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, same for /etc/fstab
[08:46] <RAOF> Yeah, on the server (or "Alternate" CD).  Either of those will let you do root-on-LVM
[08:46] <t3hwiz0rd> you want to see my fstab?
[08:46] <r00tintheb0x> oh yeah
[08:46] <beg1689> my internet is acting strange
[08:46] <urban> Anyone have any experience with grub error 17?
[08:46] <beg1689> maybe just ISP maintenence or something... but everything is going real slow i cant open any webpages in less than a minute or two
[08:47] <dystopianray_> beg1689: every website is slow?
[08:47] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14543/
[08:47] <beg1689> yes
[08:47] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, any specific reason you partitioned it like that?
[08:48] <t3hwiz0rd> to have root and home separate?
[08:48] <beg1689> im gonna try rebooting to see if some program messed itup...
[08:48] <t3hwiz0rd> windows was installed first.
[08:48] <beg1689> cant evne read that paste
[08:48] <t3hwiz0rd> windows also needed more sapce.
[08:48] <t3hwiz0rd> space
[08:48] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[08:48] <t3hwiz0rd> why whats wrong with it?
[08:48] <r00tintheb0x> you can try using gpartd
[08:49] <dystopianray_> the gparted livecd is good
[08:49] <r00tintheb0x> its just a jacked up desktop partitioning scheme in my eyes
[08:49] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: how?
[08:49] <dystopianray_> t3hwiz0rd: try this: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[08:49] <RAOF> That fstab looks fine to me.
[08:50] <r00tintheb0x> Why didnt you make  /dev/hda1 (windows) however big you wanted it
[08:50] <r00tintheb0x> /dev/hda2 swap
[08:50] <r00tintheb0x> /dev/hda3 home
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> the system is an asus
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> i didn't realize until after install they have a hidden recovery partition
[08:50] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, that has nothing to do w/it.
[08:50] <r00tintheb0x> aah
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> all i did was resize windows
[08:50] <RAOF> r00tintheb0x: Because then you've run out of primary partitions.
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> then make swap
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> root
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> home
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> then when i booted
[08:51] <t3hwiz0rd> to linux... i discovered this recovery partition mounted
[08:51] <r00tintheb0x> RAOF, how do you figure.
[08:51] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: i've intended to format the windows drive that came with the laptop, in fear that asus would of packed it full of crap
[08:51] <RAOF> r00tintheb0x: He's got 1 windows partition, 1 recovery partition.  + Root + home + swap = 5 primary partitions.
[08:51] <t3hwiz0rd> now... in essence, they kinda did
[08:51] <t3hwiz0rd> but not really
[08:51] <t3hwiz0rd> just the asus software was on it
[08:52] <r00tintheb0x> RAOF, i missed the "recovery"
[08:52] <r00tintheb0x> ugh
[08:52] <t3hwiz0rd> well
[08:52] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, paste me
[08:52] <t3hwiz0rd> ideally when feisty comes out
[08:52] <r00tintheb0x> df -h
[08:52] <RAOF> r00tintheb0x: Even without that recovery partition, you don't want to have 4 primary partitions & no extended partition :(
[08:52] <t3hwiz0rd> i will reformat installing windows first on the entire drive
[08:52] <t3hwiz0rd> then resize it, make swap, root, home
[08:52] <beg1689> reboot seems to have fixed it.. now i have to figure out what cuased it
[08:53] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14544/
[08:54] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: so i mean the only reason its done so sloppy-like is cos i had no idea what asus did with that mysterious 1gb drive.]
[08:55] <joshua_> Please enter your password to access problem reports of system programs
[08:55] <r00tintheb0x> yeah i see.
[08:55] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, i'd sugguest.
[08:55] <joshua_> that seems like somethinig that 1) needs a period and 2) I shouldn't have to do
[08:55] <r00tintheb0x> you go into fdisk and make a /dev/hdb
[08:55] <r00tintheb0x> and install on to that.
[08:56] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: what i plan to do is dust the entire harddrive start with a full 100gb windows install
[08:56] <t3hwiz0rd> then work from there
[08:56] <Hidan> bah computers are so troublesome sometimes.
[08:56] <r00tintheb0x> but as far as expanding partitions, i think ubuntu has a partition magic of sort
[08:56] <t3hwiz0rd> gparted
[08:57] <dystopianray_> joshua_: what problem reports are these?
[08:57] <t3hwiz0rd> see i was going to wipe the drive the first day i got the computer simply cos i prefer oem copies of xp pro instead of manufacture released.
[08:57] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, noooo
[08:57] <t3hwiz0rd> ?
[08:57] <r00tintheb0x> install windows on like a 60GB partition, and ubuntu on the rest.
[08:57] <t3hwiz0rd> why not just resize after beginning the ubuntu-install?
[08:57] <joshua_> dystopianray_, networkmangler crashed; I'm assuming it was an artifact of something changing behind its back while after I ran a system  upgrade.
[08:57] <dystopianray_> probably
[08:58] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, ive had good results letting ubuntu do that yes.,
[08:58] <joshua_> if it happens again, then I'll do something about it
[08:58] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: thats what i'll do when the time comes
[08:58] <t3hwiz0rd> for now, i want to just play with the laptop some more and get to know it better
[08:58] <joshua_> it shouldn't've crashed, but I probably can't reproduce it without reinstallingn the system
[08:58] <r00tintheb0x> :) cool
[08:58] <t3hwiz0rd> then start to tinker after.
[08:58] <r00tintheb0x> word
[08:58] <t3hwiz0rd> so i am gonna boot to windows and play some video games lol
[08:58] <t3hwiz0rd> i'll catch ya'll
[08:58] <r00tintheb0x> im upgrading from edgy to fiesty as we speak
[08:59] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: good luck
[08:59] <urban> grub error 17 anybody?
[08:59] <t3hwiz0rd> i get no sound on -14 kernel
[08:59] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, im a guru ;)
[08:59] <DanaG> I triple boot XP, Vista, Feisty.
[08:59] <t3hwiz0rd> vista
[08:59] <t3hwiz0rd> why would you tripple-boot with vista?
[08:59] <DanaG> Grub chains to ntldr or to Vista's bootmgr.
[08:59] <t3hwiz0rd> you hate life or something? lol
[08:59] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[08:59] <DanaG> But Vista => XP is not set up.
[09:00] <t3hwiz0rd> i mean i'll hand it to microsux a little bit.
[09:00] <t3hwiz0rd> XP pro was their best to date
[09:00] <t3hwiz0rd> vista blew it
[09:00] <DanaG> Oh, and I swap my logon and logoff sounds in Gnome -- it sounds MUCH nicer that way.
[09:00] <r00tintheb0x> brb
[09:00] <urban> so no one has seen this error before?
[09:00] <DanaG> Vista is lame: removes IP-over-1394,
[09:00] <DanaG> removes gameports,
[09:01] <DanaG> removes DirectSound 3D (which is GOOD for Linux -- forces OpenAL!)
[09:01] <t3hwiz0rd> i am gonna install beryl and see how it works
[09:02] <t3hwiz0rd> i hear it works good these days
[09:02] <dystopianray_> DanaG: directsound3d is still in vista, it just doens't do hardware acceleration
[09:02] <RAOF> Yup, about as well as compiz :)
[09:03] <t3hwiz0rd> okay
[09:03] <t3hwiz0rd> brb
[09:03] <DanaG> Creative == ouch.
[09:03] <Ali_ix> t3hwiz0rd give compiz a try, with extra lugins, it look mostlyas bery and more stable and faster than beryl
[09:03] <urban> so i can't boot ubuntu right now.
[09:03] <urban> or windows.
[09:03] <urban> just live cds.
[09:03] <DanaG> Hah, google for "feisty pidgin" without quotes: a feisty, pidgin-speaking Hawaiian of power, humor, and insight. .
[09:04] <wizard> hmm
[09:04] <wizard> with beryl i get no window boarders
[09:04] <wizard> any ideass?
[09:05] <wizard> no title bars
[09:05] <urban> ok i can't boot my computer and you want title bars?
[09:05] <Ali_ix> wizard: beryl is realy unstable, check compiz if you need stable window manager
[09:05] <micahcowan> wizard, gtk-window-decorator needs to run as well.
[09:05] <wizard> even in compis no windows
[09:05] <gradin> hi all
[09:05] <micahcowan> I usually run beryl-manager, which seems to do better than just running beryl directly.
[09:05] <Ali_ix> urban: he is talking abut his problem, not yours
[09:06] <Ali_ix> wizard: did you instal vga drivers?
[09:06] <micahcowan> wizard, I can't get window borders with compiz ATM either.
[09:06] <wizard> micahcowan: when i seleect compiz or beryl i get no window titles
[09:06] <gradin> i've got a really weird issue reguarding lockups involving dhcdbd
[09:06] <wizard> Ali_ix: i have my 3d drivers and i followed the wiki
[09:06] <gradin> the weird part is that my ip is set statically
[09:06] <micahcowan> wizard, see what happens if you run gtk-window-decorator by hand, from a term
[09:06] <urban> i bet this would go away if  just uninstall linux
[09:06] <gradin> !pastebin
[09:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:07] <urban> and give the mbr back to windows
[09:07] <wizard> "tk-window-decorator: Could not acquire decoration manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[09:07] <urban> and just use windows.
[09:07] <gradin> heres a link to the log
[09:07] <gradin> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14545/
[09:07] <Ali_ix> urban: you can fix mbr to  boot windows
[09:08] <Ali_ix> urban: boot from a bootabl cd with cmd prompt or with xp installation cd in recovery mode and type fixmbr or fdisk .mbr
[09:08] <Ali_ix> *fdisk /mbr
[09:08] <urban> i think that's what i was saying. i really wanted ubuntu to work.
[09:09] <Ali_ix> urban: i am not guru in grub and bootloaders, but i guess you have changed some partiotions so grub cant find the root
[09:09] <urban> it seems like this happens a lot when there are 2 hard drives and grub is installed on the hard drive with windows.
[09:10] <Ali_ix> urban: the common way is to boot up with live cd and repair the grub, check community fo how tos: ubuntuforums.org
[09:10] <DanaG> nice: http://www.fslog.com/
[09:10] <urban> yeah. i pretty much tried every way i could find on google.
[09:10] <DanaG> Oh, for missing titlebars:\
[09:10] <DanaG> using nvidia?
[09:10] <wizard> okay
[09:10] <wizard> i got it workin now!
[09:10] <DanaG> sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals
[09:10] <gradin> damnit
[09:10] <gradin> i figured it out...
[09:10] <wizard> beryl seems to rotate the cube slowly
[09:11] <gradin> fragin avhi dies when exposed to packets from "strange" hostnames
[09:12] <urban> Error 17:  This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB.
[09:12] <DanaG> yay, 99% of my packages suddenly became marked new.
[09:13] <Ali_ix> lol
[09:16] <wizard> yeah whoa beryl is still slow
[09:17] <NewUser`> wizard: i done it my self :)
[09:18] <NewUser`> now all things working fine
[09:18] <NewUser`> no error nothing in updating or installing
[09:18] <wizard> its just laggy
[09:18] <wizard> its not fast
[09:19] <|NewUser|> :S
[09:19] <wizard> well bye bye beryl
[09:19] <wizard> you were cute while you lasted.
[09:19] <|NewUser|> wizard. wb
[09:19] <wizard> |NewUser|: thank you... but i am going to be leaving again lol
[09:19] <wizard> i feel the urge to play counter-strike source
[09:20] <wizard> if anyone wants to join?? lol
[09:20] <|NewUser|> i just reading forums n get help my self :)
[09:20] <|NewUser|> hehe Nevamind :) then byE :)
[09:20] <wizard> |NewUser|: awesome,. sometimes thats the best way
[09:20] <wizard> i really wish i could of been more helpful on apt
[09:20] <wizard> |NewUser|: i am still logged in i think..
[09:20] <|NewUser|> wizard :) can ya play with me ? with challenge :>
[09:20] <wizard> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: << there i be
[09:20] <wizard> |NewUser|: on CSS?
[09:20] <|NewUser|> yes CS 1.7
[09:21] <wizard> |NewUser|: oh, i play source.
[09:21] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> |NewUser|: i am still here tho if you need me :-)
[09:21] <O_o> bah...
[09:21] <|NewUser|> ooo source..
[09:21] <Ali_ix> !offtopic | wizard |NewUser|
[09:21] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> |NewUser|: yeah source is good
[09:21] <ubotu> wizard |NewUser|: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter.   A much better idea, of course, is to file a bug and get the avahi package fixed :)
[09:23] <Eleaf> hiii
[09:24] <Eleaf> avahi!!
[09:24] <gradin> RAOF: the bugs already been filed
[09:24] <VirhYl3> damn, I somehow lost beryl.
[09:24] <Eleaf> so avahi isn't in edgy I guess right?
[09:24] <VirhYl3> how should I attempt getting it back?  This brown color is making me ill.
[09:24] <RAOF> gradin: Awesome.  Good :)
[09:24] <Eleaf> what's the best way to test avahi out, to see what is published?
[09:24] <r00tintheb0x> upgraded without a hitch
[09:24] <RAOF> Eleaf: Yeah, avahi's in Edgy.  But not doing quite so much by default
[09:25] <gradin> RAOF: but i cannot have this box going down eveytime it recieves a malformed mdns entry
[09:25] <DanaG> Eleaf: service-discovery-applet
[09:25] <Eleaf> I have to install it?
[09:25] <DanaG> lists everything that you can see on the local network.
[09:25] <DanaG> Yeah.
[09:25] <DanaG> !info service-discovery-applet
[09:25] <ubotu> service-discovery-applet: service discovery applet based on avahi for the GNOME panel. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.4-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 55 kB, installed size 344 kB
[09:25] <RAOF> gradin: Yeah.  Right.  At worst, you could probably stop avahi from running on startup.
[09:25] <DanaG> Or avahi-discover, if you want to see details of IPs.
[09:25] <RAOF> That'd stop zeroconf stuff working, but wouldn't kill too much.
[09:25] <Eleaf> cool
[09:26] <RAOF> gradin: You'd probably want to check /etc/avahi or /etc/default/avahi or such.
[09:26] <r00tintheb0x> im gonna reboot it though
[09:26] <r00tintheb0x> brb
[09:26] <gradin> RAOF: well i've got the ip address set statically anyway...
[09:26] <Hobbsee> !bugs
[09:26] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:26] <VirhYl3> tried a ctrl+alt+bckspce
[09:26] <VirhYl3> didn't work.
[09:26] <Eleaf> DanaG, I run service-discovery-applet but nothing happens.
[09:26] <DanaG> It's an add-to-panel thing.
[09:26] <gradin> RAOF: so its not like i need it
[09:27] <Eleaf> okay... now I can't terminate it ;)
[09:27] <RAOF> gradin: Well, the killswitch is almost certainly in one of those places in /etc :)
[09:27] <Eleaf> cool DanaG
[09:27] <Eleaf> but it says no services found DanaG
[09:28] <DanaG> It's fun to see "Some Random Person's Powerbook G4 (mac address)" appear.
[09:28] <r00tintheb0x> ok i upgraded from edgy to fiesty by putting fiesty into my sources.list
[09:28] <Eleaf> DanaG, I even put "browse services published on this machine" but it shows nothing.
[09:28] <r00tintheb0x> and did a dist-upgrade
[09:28] <Eleaf> is that supposed to happen?
[09:28] <r00tintheb0x> worked perfectly.
[09:28] <Eleaf> Wouldn't it show ssh or something..?