[09:02] <pitti> seb128: bonjour
[09:02] <seb128> hello pitti
[09:02] <pitti> seb128: would you mind if I SRU bug 259799?
[09:02] <pitti> seb128: (hiding "ecryptfs" mounts)
[09:02] <seb128> go for it
[09:02] <pitti> still no response from upstream, but it's trivial
[09:02] <pitti> seb128: ok, merci
[09:07] <seb128> lot of green on the sru lists for intrepid that's nice ;-)
[09:08] <pitti> yeah, good to have many developers using intrepid :)
[09:15] <huats> morning everyone !
[09:16] <seb128> lut huats
[09:17] <huats> plop
[09:17] <seb128> pitti: btw can I restart the intrepid retracers or are you still working on ddeb?
[09:19] <seb128> mvo: hey, do you know if the intrepid kvm not booting an hardy iso is a known issue?
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: oh, sorry; please restart them
[09:22] <seb128> pitti: ok doing now
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: ddeb.u.c. is grinding quite fine now; no lockups any more, gpg seems fine, and indexes seem correct
[09:22] <seb128> cool!
[09:22] <pitti> it's still horribly slow, though
[09:22] <pitti> but at least I tracked it down
[09:22] <pitti> it's not actually apt-ftparchive generating Packaes
[09:23] <pitti> but apt-ftparchive taking aaaages to compress it to Packages.gz
[09:23] <seb128> weird
[09:23] <pitti> oh, I should set up jaunty
[09:23]  * pitti does it now
[09:24] <mvo> seb128: let me check
[09:26] <seb128> mvo: I get the language selector, can validate that but the menu next doesn't work so I can't actually boot it
[09:26] <mvo> seb128: I heared about that one, is that a 8.04 or a 8.04.1 CD?
[09:26] <seb128> pitti: what is the duplicate database consolidation about exactly btw?
[09:27] <seb128> mvo: I guess 8.04, I don't think I downloaded 8.04.1 but I can try that one
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: the dup db has a bug status (open/fixed in version V)
[09:27] <pitti> this is used for deciding whether a duplicate is really a dup or a regression
[09:27] <didrocks> morning o/
[09:27] <seb128> pitti: what is it doing exactly to take over an hour on ronne?
[09:27] <pitti> this consolidation thing runs through the actual launchpad bugs, grabs their status, and updates the open/closed status in the dup db
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: quering Launchpad is what makes it so slow
[09:28] <seb128> so it goes through the whole list every time?
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: yes
[09:28] <seb128> hum
[09:28] <seb128> ok
[09:29] <pitti> seb128: if I had direct DB access (readonly), it would be a matter of seconds, I presume
[09:29] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:29] <didrocks> lut seb128
[09:29] <seb128> pitti: that might be something worth asking, a dump of those informations somewhere
[09:29] <pitti> seb128: not a dump, but direct readonly DB access
[09:30] <seb128> right, that one might be trickier to get, but if they are wanting to do that ;-)
[09:30] <pitti> seb128: bdmurray uses such a thing for some custom queries
[09:30] <pitti> so I think it's not that hard actually
[09:31] <pitti> okay, ddebs.u.c. cronjob for jaunty set up, and running now
[09:31] <pitti> that should have covered all ddebs so far, so nothing should be lost
[09:37] <seb128> mvo, pitti: could somebody reply to the current comment on bug #293441?
[09:38] <pitti> seb128: I can answer the public key thing
[09:38] <pitti> seb128: but he didn't say that it crashed? seems to be a permission problem
[09:38]  * pitti writes a wiki page about debug symbols
[09:39] <seb128> pitti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash has instructions
[09:39] <pitti> ah, adding it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[09:39] <seb128> pitti: right the pubkey question
[09:43] <Hobbsee> seb128: pubkey info answered.
[09:43] <seb128> Hobbsee: hey, thanks ;-)
[09:43] <Hobbsee> seb128: you're welcome.  How's it going?  :)
[09:44] <pitti> Hobbsee: ah, I was going to point them to the wiki page update I'm just writing :)
[09:44] <Hobbsee> pitti: that works too
[09:53] <pitti> answered
[09:53] <pitti> Hobbsee: that actually requires apt-key, not just gpg --recv-key
[09:54] <Hobbsee> pitti: oh, that's a point.
[09:55] <seb128> Hobbsee: good thanks, relaxing week after intrepid (if you don't count the bug flood coming from users who just upgraded) ;-)
[09:55] <seb128> Hobbsee: you?
[09:58] <Hobbsee> seb128: yeah, pretty good.  Assignments and such,before the end of uni.  :)
[10:54] <seb128> urg
[10:54] <seb128> pitti: 71 open bugs on gnome-mount, most seem not have been triaged, do you think you could have a look to clean the list a bit this cycle or should I add that to my todolist?
[10:58] <pitti> seb128: that's actually on my TODO list already, but I simply didn't get to it yet :(
[10:58] <seb128> pitti: ok good, I'll try to triage some of those too
[11:01] <seb128> hey pedro_
[11:01] <pedro_> salut seb128!
[11:01] <seb128> pedro_: how are you?
[11:01] <seb128> did you manage to catch up on the weekend desktop bug flood yet? ;-)
[11:02] <pedro_> seb128: I'm good thanks, how about you?
[11:02] <seb128> I'm good too thanks!
[11:02] <pedro_> seb128: eek i'm still reading bug mail, ~3500 to read, not having a good internet connection while you're at conferences really sucks :-/
[11:03] <seb128> pedro_: you should mark all as read, or at least all the bugs where I did post a comment
[11:03] <seb128> pedro_: I opened my mailed on saturday and had like 300 new bug mails so I decided to clean a bit during the weekend to not have some thousand bugs to read on monday
[11:04] <pedro_> seb128: ah ok, I'll do that then. btw have you seen bug 269441?, it's the opposite we are used to see with the trash
[11:05] <seb128> pedro_: I try to use the web interface now to triage components, less stressing than reading inbox ;-)
[11:06] <seb128> pedro_: I think the issue is "update doesn't always work correctly" which can go both way, the code didn't change a lot between hardy and intrepid
[11:08] <pedro_> seb128: yeah i tend to use the web interface also for not going crazy with email
[11:08] <pedro_> seb128: ah ok that makes sense then, thanks you
[11:12] <seb128> pedro_: one efficient way to sort bugs is newer first filtering one bugs which have no upstream task open yet
[11:20] <mvo> I wish there was a "most-recently-changed (but not by me)" filter
[12:01] <Hobbsee> seb128: is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/240472 a libgnomeui bug, or a kubuntu one?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> (or a heisenbug)
[12:03] <seb128> Hobbsee: that's not a libgnomeui bug, could be some ia32lib issue or local bug or kubuntu dunno
[12:04] <seb128> mvo: right that would be useful
[12:04] <seb128> lunch time bbl
[12:04] <Hobbsee> seb128: OK, thanks.
[12:50] <asac> when is -desktop meeting today?
[12:51] <asac> did we say 1600 UTV?
[12:51] <asac> UTC
[12:57] <crevette> damn my karma decreased, how it is possible!!!
[13:16] <asac> crevette: I took all the bug credits
[13:16] <asac> by doing 24/7 bug triage the last 5 days or so ;)
[13:16] <asac> i think i gaine 5k bug karma ;)
[13:16] <asac> gained
[13:16] <crevette> asac, I'm back to 996 I was 100x 2 days ago
[13:17] <asac> crevette: thats not really a big decrease ;)
[13:17] <crevette> not but I was happy to go over 1000
[13:17] <asac> hehe
[13:17] <asac> crevette: just triage 50 new bugs for firefox ;)
[13:18] <asac> or 200 if you want :)
[13:18] <asac> network-manager surely has enough new bugs too ;)
[14:06] <asac> Hobbsee: libqtengine not in ia32libs?
[16:00] <asac> seb128: isn't there supposed to be  a -desktop meeting today?
[16:00] <pitti> hello
[16:00] <pitti> desktop meeting starting now
[16:00] <pedro_> hello everybody
[16:00] <asac> hah
[16:00] <ArneGoetje> hi
[16:00] <seb128> asac: right, it's right now, and on this chan
[16:00]  * pitti pinged bryce, Riddell, kwwii to join
[16:00] <asac> inspiration ;)
[16:01] <pitti> ArneGoetje: there?
[16:01] <ArneGoetje> pitti: yes
[16:02] <pitti> bryce, Riddell: hello
[16:02] <Riddell> hi
[16:02]  * bryce waves
[16:02] <pitti> new release, new meeting time, new meeting place :)
[16:02] <pitti> everyone recovered reasonably from the release crunch?
[16:02] <pitti> Scott asked me to do the meeting and report today, he doesn't feel well
[16:03] <seb128> pitti: being fighting the bug flood now ;-)
[16:03] <seb128> it's amazing how many bugs we got during the weekend
[16:03] <asac> i took some rest by doing 24/7 bug triaging ;)
[16:03] <pitti> yeah, I felt that, too; spent half of my day reading bugs and the other half processing SRUs :)
[16:04] <asac> but looking back that prevented me from recovering so far ;)
[16:04] <pitti> it's great to see so many bugs fixed, though
[16:04] <pitti> sad that we had them in the first place, but that was to be expected from an edgy-like 4-month release
[16:04]  * pitti orders asac to get some sleep and watch some movies
[16:04] <pitti> I can only recommend playing TIE fighter in dosbox :-P
[16:04] <asac> that, but also most users just dont test our releases until its out
[16:04] <pitti> yeah, classical chicken/egg problem
[16:04]  * bryce nods
[16:05] <asac> apt-cache dosbox
[16:05] <asac> search
[16:05] <pitti> I still need activity reports from Riddell, mpt, and kwwii
[16:05] <pitti> so, obviously there is nothing spec wise to discuss today
[16:05] <pitti> and nobody sent in any meeting topics
[16:06] <pitti> so I'll make this quick
[16:06] <pitti> but I'd like to do some bug review
[16:06] <seb128> pitti: do we know when jaunty is likely to open?
[16:06] <pitti> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/intrepid-updates
[16:06] <pitti> seb128: not yet, waiting for some manual bootstrapping from infinity
[16:06] <pitti> but please don't let that stop you from doing merges
[16:07] <pitti> uploading to jaunty works, it's just held in unapproved until the toolchain is sorted out
[16:07] <pitti> so, above bug list is the one which should be in the distro^Wplatform team's focus for the next time
[16:07] <bryce> ah cool
[16:07] <pitti> I took the freedom to assign bugs to people
[16:07] <pitti> where it was clear that they were working on it and there was a patch, etc.
[16:07] <seb128> lot of fix commited there already ;-)
[16:08] <asac> ok ... i will go over my list and assign them to me
[16:08] <pitti> asac, bryce: that particularly affected you; let me know if that disturbs your bug workflow
[16:08] <pitti> asac: I already did
[16:08] <asac> not all ;)
[16:08] <pitti> mainly because it is good to have assignees on the milestone list
[16:08] <pitti> asac: in a minute
[16:08] <pitti> note that I *only* assigned when there was visible progress
[16:08] <pitti> there are a few which affect our team which don't have assignees
[16:08] <pitti> those are the ones I'd like to skim over right now
[16:08] <asac> yeah ... 284212 was fix committed ;) most likely you missed that progress then
[16:09] <pitti> bug 271138
[16:09] <pitti> bryce: that still looks fishy and unreproducible; do you happen to have a better idea about this?
[16:09] <seb128> there is a bug similar to that which got comments recently
[16:09] <pitti> @all: don't worry, it's just some 6 bugs, not too much
[16:09]  * seb128 search number
[16:09] <asac> pitti: did you assemble the meeting page with our reports? i reported status on all of those i think
[16:10] <seb128> oh that was this one
[16:10] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-11-04 is the version so far
[16:10] <asac> thanks
[16:10] <pitti> asac: ah, great; sorry, I got to know that I do the meeting too late, didn't manage to walk over this
[16:10] <asac> no problem. go ahead ;)
[16:10] <seb128> bug #264256
[16:11] <pitti> bryce: I take the silence as a "NFC"? :-)
[16:11] <seb128> mvo: ^ did you get some upgrade bugs about that?
[16:11] <bryce> 271138: I've not reproduced it myself, but obviously this is an area where there's been some changes, so maybe there's a hw-specific corner case
[16:11] <pitti> seb128: oh, that would make it earlier than hal indeed
[16:11] <seb128> I used to have the "no mouse no keyboard on login screen" issue during some days and it stopped before intrepid
[16:11] <pitti> bryce: but I think the gdm prio has already been checked in that?
[16:11] <bryce> 271138: we've seen lots of unique hw-specific things pop up, so it wouldn't surprise me.  I'll look at it more.
[16:12] <bryce> pitti: ok; I've not read through the entire bug yet
[16:12] <asac> seb128: i remember that i had something like that too ...on my thinkpad
[16:12] <asac> but its long gone
[16:12] <seb128> pitti: well the issue got fixed for me so I'm wondering if there was not several issues and still some users who have a config which didn't get migrated correctly on upgrade
[16:12] <pitti> seb128: most likely
[16:12] <crevette> hello
[16:12] <pitti> anyway, worth checking the gdm prio for all reporters in the bug
[16:13] <pitti> bug 259168
[16:13] <seb128> crevette: lut, middle of a metting right now
[16:13] <pitti> asac: seems you have a patch for this?
[16:13] <pitti> asac: well, report says "working"
[16:13] <asac> PPTP -> yes. a patch for proper authentication
[16:13] <asac> and also the options things is needed here
[16:13] <asac> but i have a patch for that too
[16:13] <pitti> so that doesn't have any triaging problems, it's a SMOP?
[16:13] <asac> options (lcp-...)
[16:13] <pitti> cool, thanks
[16:13] <mvo> seb128: no, let me read
[16:13] <pitti> mind if I assign to you?
[16:14] <asac> that bug? sure
[16:15] <pitti> asac: bug 262191 as well then? properly understood and everything?
[16:15] <asac> pitti: thats not fixable without UI changes
[16:15] <asac> pitti: in report i have status: patch, with concerns
[16:16] <pitti> asac: ok, so it's understood and will be fixed in jaunty, but possibly not be SRUed
[16:16] <pitti> Riddell: any idea about bug 290695?
[16:16] <asac> pitti: possible. i have some other ideas, but not a patch for that
[16:17] <asac> pitti: but surely fixed in jaunty. but i want to wait for proper upstream solution that currently discuss how the applet can deal with that in a user friendly way
[16:17] <pitti> asac: you want to keep it on the milestone list for now as a possible target, or dump it because it's too intrusive?
[16:17] <Riddell> pitti: that would be nice for an SRU, I've not looked into it but I've seen others look into it and I think there's a patch
[16:17] <asac> pitti: keep it. there might be a workaroudn without UI changes ... e.g. remember the group password if it fails
[16:17] <pitti> Riddell: ah; do you think you can find out who is working on that and set the assignee?
[16:17] <Riddell> pitti: can do
[16:17] <pitti> asac: thanks
[16:17] <pitti> Riddell: great, thanks
[16:19] <pitti> ok, bugs updated
[16:20] <pitti> everyone please reload https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/intrepid-updates, sort by assignee and check if you are happy with your assigned bugs
[16:20] <asac> main prob for NM is currently bug #292054 - drivers take too long to associate
[16:20] <asac> this is ridiculous and we also have a similar bug for iwl* drivers specifically
[16:20] <asac> for some users wpasupplicant takes more than 3 minutes to get wpa connection
[16:20] <pitti> asac: you piled up an amazing number of milestoned bugs :)
[16:21] <pitti> minutes! wow
[16:21] <pitti> ArneGoetje: do you know fontconfig?
[16:21] <ArneGoetje> pitti: not in detail
[16:22] <pitti> ok, nevermind then
[16:22] <asac> pitti: luckily most have a patch now ;)
[16:22] <pitti> asac: 292054> anything other team members can help with that?
[16:23] <asac> pitti: unlikely. i need devs that can reproduce that at best
[16:23] <asac> otherwise i will do a bunch of test rounds with users. but thats painful obviously ;)
[16:23] <pitti> well, that would already help :)
[16:23] <pitti> asac: let's discuss that in #u-devel after the meeting, shall we?
[16:23] <asac> anyone here has issues with WPA in intrepid?
[16:24] <asac> we can.
[16:24] <asac> sure
[16:24] <pitti> ok
[16:24] <pitti> so my remaining topic is langpacks
[16:24] <pitti> we have two outstanding action items from last meeting
[16:24] <pitti>  * asac to help ArneGoetje perform a manual upload
[16:24] <asac> done
[16:24] <asac> also most likely found the issue why the version was wrong. but i better dont say it ;)
[16:24] <ArneGoetje> is in the PPA and can be copied over to proposed
[16:25] <pitti> that would be
[16:25] <pitti>  * asac to talk to infinity to find out why Launchpad is breaking firefox langpacks
[16:25] <asac> yeah
[16:25] <asac> probably can be scratched
[16:25] <pitti> asac: so the problem has been identified, properly being laughed at, and squashed?
[16:25] <asac> yeah
[16:25] <pitti> asac: so for our mental sanity we don't want to know then? :-)
[16:25] <asac> at least there is a good reason why the version would be wrong ;)
[16:25] <asac> yeah please
[16:25] <pitti> ok
[16:26] <pitti> <jedi wave>
[16:26] <asac> we will see soon enough (next ffox is coming soon)
[16:26] <pitti> ArneGoetje: for both hardy and intrepid?
[16:26] <ArneGoetje> yep
[16:26] <pitti> cool, thanks a lot
[16:26] <pitti> I'll do the copying
[16:26] <pitti> that's everything from me
[16:26] <pitti> AOB?
[16:27] <seb128> thank for leading the meeting pitti
[16:27] <Riddell> pitti: KDE langpacks are still incomplete in places, I think I've tracked down what the problem is and will try to poke rosetta people about iy
[16:27] <pitti> Riddell: oh heck, I thought that would have been sorted out and is just waiting for the imports to catch up?
[16:28] <pitti> AFAIK the current plan is to wait until that happened, and then ship a langpack update?
[16:28] <pitti> Riddell: so it's not just imports being slow, but some imports done wrongly?
[16:28] <Riddell> no, seems there's yet another rosetta problem
[16:28] <Riddell> it's not preserving the context strings
[16:28] <Riddell> (as far as I can tell)
[16:29] <pitti> argh
[16:29] <pitti> but good that it's tracked down
[16:30] <Riddell> these problems don't usually get fixed fast but it would be nice to time it with a langpack update if possible
[16:30] <ArneGoetje> Riddell: I guess we can  and probably should wait with the update until this has been fixed...
[16:31] <pitti> well, we can do a normal update now, with the PPA apcakges, and another one when this is fixed
[16:31] <pitti> unless the PPA packages actually make things worse (but I don't think that's the case?)
[16:31] <ArneGoetje> pitti: yes... I meant updated base packages
[16:31] <Riddell> no reason why they should
[16:31] <pitti> ArneGoetje: yes, absolutely
[16:31] <pitti> Riddell: of course we can do an update upload once this is fixed
[16:32] <pitti> ok, seems we are done, thanks everyone!
[16:32] <Riddell> pitti: yeah, I'll keep you and ArneGoetje updated when I hear back from rosetta people
[16:32] <ArneGoetje> thanks
[16:33] <asac> thanks
[16:33] <pitti> asac: so this timeout bug particuarly manifests with WPA/WPA2, i. e. with wpasupplicant?
[16:34] <asac> pitti: its noisy (as always) ... its definitly WPA
[16:34] <pitti> asac: so you need someone which has that  problem, and can also get some logs and debugging session with you?
[16:34] <pitti> darn, no WPA in range here
[16:34] <bryce> thanks pitti
[16:35] <asac> pitti: there is a wide variety of symptoms here. this bug initially manifested for WPA Enterprise ... where it appears to happen for all iwl chipsets at least
[16:35] <asac> pitti: but now that release is out this also seems to be a problem for normal WPA-PSK and even for none-iwl chipsets
[16:35] <asac> pitti: some users cannot connect at all, for some wpasupplicant manually works well
[16:36] <asac> for some NM works if it gives wpasupplicant enough time
[16:36] <asac> pitti: i think there is one thing i can try to cherry pick upstream ... with some luck it helps those that can connect manually with wpasupplicant
[16:36] <pitti> asac: maybe you should try asking on u-devel@, many devs read it, and it's likely to get more attention than IRC
[16:37] <asac> for the rest this is completely opaque
[16:37] <asac> pitti: yes. i will get feedback on the cherry pick first. if that yields nothing will spread that further around.
[16:37] <pitti> asac: sounds like a plan
[16:38] <asac> ok will update the bug with the cherry-pick i think is worth to test
[16:38] <asac> pitti: ^^
[16:38] <pitti> cool, thanks
[16:38] <pitti> sorry that I can't help with that
[16:38] <pitti> it Just Works(tm) for me...
[16:38] <asac> no problem ;)
[16:39] <asac> what we need is all hardware here or a perfect test center ;)
[16:39] <pitti> but I only have eth and an open wifi, and that UMTS thing :)
[16:39] <asac> same here ;)
[16:39] <pitti> asac: it's called "Tim Gardner"
[16:39] <asac> well.
[16:39] <pitti> he has a shitload of wifis for testing
[16:39] <asac> no comment
[16:39] <asac> yeah. those should be here i think ;)
[16:39] <asac> he doesnt triage NM issues :)
[16:39] <pitti> but he can certainly help you with getting log files and all that
[16:40] <asac> i think i would need a whip for that ;)
[16:40] <asac> but i will try again
[16:40] <asac> hmm  he is not online
[16:41] <asac> ah just not in -devel
[16:52] <tedg> asac: You've always wanted to visit Idaho, right? ;)
[16:53] <asac> tedg: wasnt that montana?
[16:53] <asac> ;)
[16:54] <tedg> asac: Heh, does that change your preference?
[16:55] <pitti> hey tedg
[16:56] <pitti> voted yet? :-)
[16:56] <pitti> tedg: I saw some photos of loooong lines in front of the voting places, crazy :)
[16:56] <tedg> pitti: Yeah, I voted on Thursday.  Though unverifiable electronic voting.  Really they voted for me when they compiled the software.
[16:57] <pitti> tedg: that might explain why some 50% chose postal vote...
[16:57] <pitti> (rightfully so!)
[16:57] <pitti> all this electronic computer crap, really
[16:57] <pitti> *cough*
[16:58] <tedg> I wasn't offered that option, I believe you can only do it here if you can verify that you're unable to go to a polling place (overseas address, etc.)
[16:58] <pitti> ah, that's handled differently in different states, isn't it?
[17:01] <tedg> Yeah, almost all aspects of voting are actually.  What happens is that basically the only thing that the federal gov't worries about is the electoral college.  Then it's up to the states to elect those electoral college members.
[17:02] <tedg> There are some federal regulations for fairness and other things, but they're fairly minor compared to the total complexity of voting.
[17:03] <dobey> most states require the electoral college to vote for whoever won the popular vote in the state, though not all do
[17:04] <dobey> they're supposed to vote that way, but it's not really a requirement that they do, in all states
[17:05] <pitti> dobey: I read about that, too
[17:05] <pitti> however, they hand in their votes in sealed envelopes, so how can they actually be sure about that?
[17:06] <dobey> pitti: track by fingerprint?
[17:06] <pitti> heh
[17:07] <dobey> pitti: i'm sure it's known
[17:07] <dobey> or at least, it will become known and there will be a big ruckus about voting fraud, etc...
[17:08] <dobey> maybe it will be nevada this year instead of ohio or florida, who knows
[17:52] <bsnider> pitti, i think your last cups update might have broken printing support in intrepid for a lot of people
[18:09] <pitti> bsnider: --verbose?
[18:10] <bsnider> pitti, your last update to cups was partly a change in "debian/filters/pstopdf"
[18:10] <pitti> bsnider: ah, that was an update from Till
[18:10] <bsnider> that filter is now causing a whole lot of problems
[18:11] <pitti> bsnider: can you please ping tkamppeter in #ubuntu-devel and discuss this?
[18:11] <bsnider> sure
[18:11] <pitti> bsnider: sorry, I wasn't really involved in those filters; Till knows them very well
[18:11] <pitti> bsnider: thanks
[18:11] <bsnider> well, i only came to you because your name was on the cups update
[18:11] <bsnider> but i also know he's involved
[18:11] <bsnider> he or she
[18:20] <pitti> he


[20:36] <chilicuil> hello, I'd like to create a map (which country they're from) of the current members of a group in launchpad, where I could start?


[07:13] <dholbach> good morning
[07:13] <coolbhavi> dholbach, gm!
[07:13] <ajmitch> hi
[07:13] <dholbach> hey coolbhavi, namaste :)
[07:13] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[07:13] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[07:13] <ajmitch> good, how are you?
[07:14] <ajmitch> coolbhavi: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=20315 is still open, sorry :)
[07:14] <dholbach> good, thanks :)
[07:15]  * ajmitch is rather tired for some reason this evening
[07:17] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, no problem how are you btw?
[07:17] <coolbhavi> dholbach, how is it going?
[07:18]  * ajmitch is busy enough, waiting for new computer to arrive later this week
[07:18] <dholbach> ajmitch, nice
[07:18] <dholbach> coolbhavi, very good - how about you?
[07:19] <ajmitch> dholbach: it'd be nice if it wasn't because my existing desktop died
[07:20] <coolbhavi> dholbach, down with a bad cold weather has gone bad here but managing..
[07:20]  * ajmitch doubts he'll get back to ARB voting this week, too many pycon things on
[07:21] <ajmitch> and once all the apps that need votes have them, there's still a lot og app showdown submissions that could probably be put forward for voting if their authors have made changes
[07:22] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, sadly yes
[07:22] <ajmitch> so many apps, so little time
[07:24] <coolbhavi> and arb is now effectively 4 on 7 with jocarter resigning
[07:25] <dholbach> when are you going to start the call for nominations?
[07:25] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, any idea?
[07:26]  * coolbhavi goes to lunch btw
[07:27] <ajmitch> dholbach: well, I only just realised the term expiry the other day, but any new person would be coming into an uncertain future
[07:27]  * ajmitch hasn't heard if all the team members currently active wish to renominate themselves
[07:31] <dholbach> it might be worth finding this out :)
[07:33] <dholbach> AFAIK stgraber wanted to step down, jocarter as well and from Luke and Shane I haven't seen much in quite a long while
[07:33] <dholbach> that'd leave Allison, Andrew and Bhavani IIRC
[07:36] <ajmitch> right, and you know that the time we can put into it is rather variable, at best :)
[07:38] <dholbach> if the four members I mentioned first found successors that'd certainly help :)
[07:38] <ajmitch> yeah, though finding 4 people in ~ubuntu-dev who can commit the required time will be challenging
[07:38] <ajmitch> still worth trying
[08:03]  * coolbhavi is back
[08:05] <coolbhavi> hmm also the new process if not discussed before restaffing, would mean any new member coming in will take some time to get hold of processes and also there will be a transition time I think
[08:06] <coolbhavi> dpm, good noon!
[08:06] <dpm> hey coolbhavi, how are you doing? :)
[08:08] <coolbhavi> dpm, health on the downside a bit right now but manageable :) how are you btw?
[08:09] <dpm> coolbhavi, I'm good, thanks. Sorry to hear about your health, I hope it gets better :/
[08:09] <coolbhavi> dpm, :) thanks!
[15:35] <mhall119> coolbhavi: "flawless packaging" :)
[15:35] <mhall119> very kind of you
[15:35] <mhall119> doubtful, but still very kind
[15:49] <dpm> :)
[15:53] <coolbhavi> mhall119, it passed at a single attempt through my routine check so :)
[15:53] <coolbhavi> I thought it was flawless
[15:54] <coolbhavi> :)
[17:40] <coolbhavi> hi wendar good morning
[17:40] <coolbhavi> :)
[17:47]  * coolbhavi finishes his round of app reviews for the day and goes to sleep
[17:47] <coolbhavi> good night all!
[18:19] <wendar> ajmitch: oh, btw, I'm not an Ubuntu Developer, so won't be standing for re-election on the ARB
[18:20] <wendar> ajmitch: the TB granted a pass for existing members to stay when they were elected before we changed the rules, but it doesn't seem appropriate to ask for another extension
[18:21] <wendar> (I'll still be a contributor)
[18:24]  * wendar sorry I missed coolbhavi this morning
[18:24] <wendar> we need one of those bots for sending time-delayed messages
[19:25] <stgraber> wendar: you sure you don't want to apply for some kind of upload rights before that? :)
[19:25] <stgraber> surely there's something you would want PPU for
[19:31] <ajmitch> so the team's even smaller, ok :)
[19:32] <ajmitch> stgraber: there's supposed to be an ARB meeting this weekend but I'll be busy, at this rate I don't know who will be there
[19:39] <wendar> stgraber: well, the plan is to switch some of the time I've been putting into ARB over to a MOTU focus and then apply there
[19:40] <wendar> stgraber: I suppose I could do PPU, but the only package I really have a dedicated interest in is parrot, and I'm already DM for it (and have it syncing)
[19:42] <wendar> ajmitch: if you need to prioritize, focus on fitting the CC meeting into your schedule
[19:42] <wendar> ajmitch: I'd like to get as many as possible of us there
[19:42] <ajmitch> wendar: I looked at the time for that, it's 5AM for me
[19:42] <ajmitch> rather unlikely I'll be there
[19:42] <wendar> ajmitch: ooh, yuk
[19:43] <ajmitch> yup
[19:43] <wendar> ajmitch: yeah. Well, if you have any thoughts, write them up ahead of time, and I'll make sure they're represented in the meeting.
[19:44] <ajmitch> ok


[00:29] <directhex> mfisch: pass the -k flag to debsign foo.changes
[00:42] <mfisch> but I can't sign with someone else's key unless I have their passphrase?
[00:42] <ajmitch> mfisch: always sign with your own key
[00:44] <directhex> mfisch: hence the -k flag, which lets you specify the key to sign with
[00:44] <mfisch> now I understand
[00:44] <mfisch> because by default debuild just reads what's in the changelog...
[00:44] <directhex> yep
[00:45] <mfisch> thanks guys
[00:45] <mfisch> and/or gals
[03:59] <vibhav> good morning
[07:13] <dholbach> good morning
[07:57] <chilicuil> Hi, does anyone know of an up to date pbuilder hooks repository?, or http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks is ok?
[08:03] <tumbleweed> chilicuil: pbuilder comes with some useful hooks in examples
[08:06] <chilicuil> tumbleweed: ok, I've seen them, I just wanted to make sure I was uptodate since I'm running lucid, thanks =)
[08:43] <vibhav> Should I prepare a debdiif for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgpod/+bug/789472 or sync it from Debian?
[08:47] <Laney> vibhav: that doesn't sound like it's worth uploading (especially coming out of sync) for, and the version in unstable still has Depends on gtk2. I suggest you just report it to Debian if it's not there already.
[08:47] <Laney> First confirm for yourself that the bug is correct.
[08:52] <vibhav> Laney: libgpod-dev has libgtk2.0-dev as dependencies
[08:55] <vibhav> ah the bug is fixed in precise
[08:55] <Laney> the bug says it should not have that.
[09:53] <geser> vibhav: have you talked to hyperair about this bug?
[10:05]  * Laney was avoiding special-casing
[11:09] <AnAnt> Hello, I have sync'ed/merged TeXLive pre-2012 package from Debian for Precise on my PPA: ppa:aelmahmoudy/tl2009
[11:10] <AnAnt> please note that a couple of packages (cm-super & texlive-base) were sync'ed rather than merged, probably I would merge texlive-base on next Debian upload
[12:34] <AnAnt> btw, I have sync'ed/merged TeXLive pre-2012 package from Debian for Precise on my PPA: ppa:aelmahmoudy/tl2009 , please note that a couple of packages (cm-super & texlive-base) were sync'ed rather than merged, probably I would merge texlive-base on next Debian upload.
[12:34] <AnAnt> oops
[12:34] <AnAnt> wrong window
[15:12] <tarvid> is there a set of tools for ubuntu-server that will configure networking like the network manager on ubuntu-desktop?
[15:26] <tumbleweed> tarvid: this isn't a support channel. To answer your question: ifupdown?
[15:28] <tarvid> I understand but ubuntu-server 12.04 static ip networking is broken and I can't even submit a bug report
[15:29] <tumbleweed> tarvid: broken?\
[16:48] <jtaylor> does changing to compat 9 and adding hardening flags need a ffe?
[16:59] <tumbleweed> does changing to compat 9 change the library installation location?
[17:00] <jtaylor> no its an application
[17:12] <directhex> 9? ._.
[17:12] <directhex> i feel so old
[17:18] <kees> jtaylor: which package is it?
[17:19] <jtaylor> kees: gimmix
[17:24] <kees> ah, okay, so in -4 they enabled PIE. I was checking to see if there really was any difference on Ubuntu between -3 and -4.
[17:24] <kees> jtaylor: I would say, yes, FFe needed. it's not really a bug fix.
[17:25] <jtaylor> you could consider adding hardening for media applications a bug fix :)
[17:25] <kees> well, only the PIE bit is new. all the other hardening options are already built in.
[17:26] <kees> but yeah. maybe ScottK would have a better opinion?
[17:28] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: I'm not concerned about that, then
[17:40] <jbicha> any ideas why this build fails or how to fix it? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/671020
[17:42] <ScottK> jtaylor: I think it's a feature change, but not a hard one to get an exception for.
[17:43] <micahg> jbicha: --as-needed failure maybe, I assume you have evolution-dev installed?
[19:01] <micahg> jtaylor: python-qwt5-qt4 generally needs a rebuild in step with python-qt4
[19:01] <jtaylor> ScottK: did pyqt4 4.9.1 break abi again?
[19:01] <ScottK> Not AFAIK.
[19:01] <ScottK> Qt 4.8.1 might have screwed things up if that's been uploaded.
[19:02] <micahg> that package always seems to be finicky
[19:06] <jtaylor> better check the remaining rdeps if they work
[19:06]  * jtaylor loading vistrails
[19:09] <jtaylor> interesting program
[19:16] <jtaylor> -sip rdepends work
[20:14] <jbicha> micahg: I'm using the same tracker packaging as Debian and I tried building with --no-as-needed but it still fails
[20:14] <jbicha> maybe the problem is with Ubuntu's evolution ?


[01:37] <soyeomul> Rnqjr
[01:37] <soyeomul> 꾸벅
[03:01] <soyeomul> https://www.clien.net/service/board/park/14930437
[03:02] <soyeomul> 문통이 과거에 콤푸타는 하나도 모르지만 아들을 위하야 게임 매뉴얼을 하나하나 아들이 게임을 할 수 있게끔 영어를 한글로 번역했다고 하네요 아들을 위하야...............
[03:03] <soyeomul> 음... 뭔가 모를... 아버지의 마음이 느껴지는 글입니다 우어어어;;;
[03:04] <soyeomul> 진짜 사람을 감동시키는건 많이 알고 모르고가 아닌거 같아요;;;
[03:04] <soyeomul> 마음
[03:04] <soyeomul> 그 마음은 정말 절실하면 사람에게 전달되는거 같아요 마음이 중요!
[04:03] <soyeomul> 으뜨 먼저 들어갑니다~~~
[04:03] <soyeomul> 모두 존 하루요~~~
[04:04] <soyeomul> 꾸벅
[04:18] <asdfasdfasdf> 우분투 amd 그래픽카드 드라이버 설치문의드립니다
[04:25] <asdfasdfasdf> how to install amd graphic card driver
[06:04] <foxmask> 안녕하세요?
[09:34] <Jason-KR> fox mask: 프랑스에도 "어린이 날"이 있어요? 한국은 (crontab EXP: * * 5 5 * holiday) 국가 공휴일 입니다.
[09:42] <foxmask> Jason-KR: it's christmas the day of children ;)
[09:51] <Jason-KR> 예. ㅋㅋㅋ      점심식사 맛있게 하세요~
[10:39] <foxmask> 고마워, 너도
[10:40] <Jason-KR> 앗쒸ㅋㅋㅋㅋ...  언제쯤 반말을 고칠까? ㅋㅋㅋㅋ    ^^
[11:03] <foxmask> what is the cost of your masks ? here a disposable mask is at 50cent of Euro each.
[11:23] <Jason-KR> n95 (medical) grade is about 1.5 USD. and
[11:24] <Jason-KR> 2pcs/1 person/each week at drug stores.
[11:25] <Jason-KR> but 이젠 흔하고 쉽게 언제나 더 싸게 살 수 있어요 .
[11:28] <Jason-KR> imho, if they R not patient or not guardian, then n80 grade is enough.
[11:29] <Jason-KR> n95 (medical) grade is about 1.5 USD/1pcs. and
[11:29] <Jason-KR> n95 (medical) grade is about 1.5 USD/1pcs.
[12:06] <foxmask> how many days can you use it ?
[12:07] <foxmask> here, they said chirugical mask is for one day
[12:08] <Jason-KR> i'm sorry COZ i used 1 pcs/1 month.
[12:08] <foxmask> wow
[12:08] <Jason-KR> YES, for  patient or guardians several pcs/1day.
[12:09] <foxmask> ok i see
[12:10] <Jason-KR> 내 환경은 주변 사람들이 많이 없는 시골. 대인 관계도 많이 없어요. 그리고
[12:10] <foxmask> yes
[12:10] <Jason-KR> 이 동네는 clean area from covid-19
[12:12] <Jason-KR> 도시 생활자들은  평균 1장/1일 쓸 것 같아요.
[12:12] <foxmask> https://www.sortiraparis.com/images/1001/69688/554504-carte-de-france-du-deconfinement-par-departement-le-4-mai-2020-4.jpg in green the less infected area in red the most one
[12:12] <foxmask> we are in the red one (paris)
[12:13] <Jason-KR> Ooops !!
[12:13] <foxmask> the number in each is not the number of people but the number of a are (we are 95 in france)
[12:14] <foxmask> we have*
[12:14] <foxmask> the number in each is not the number of people but the number of a areA (we are 95 in france)
[12:15] <Jason-KR> i remember above PIC, but No-colored and No-numbering. and
[12:15] <foxmask> so in the red areas i think we will use 1 mask per day and that will cost quickly a lot
[12:16] <foxmask> At least I could received my order from aliexpress for getting more masks than the one or two the Mayor will give us
[12:17] <Jason-KR> few days ago. i saw documentary channel on Ur old castles, espacially southern france.
[12:17] <foxmask> ^^
[12:17] <foxmask> we have a lot of castle from different period
[12:18] <foxmask> different time
[12:18] <Jason-KR> ye, i herarded.  4 example, VS ENGLAND.
[12:19] <foxmask> yes
[12:19] <Jason-KR> ye, i herard.  4 example, VS ENGLAND.
[12:19] <Jason-KR> ye, i heard.
[12:23] <Jason-KR> ㅠㅠ U R aliexpress cusetomer? ;)
[12:23] <foxmask> there are Castle for Luxury with Louis 14 "Chateau de Versaille" or "Chateau de la loire" https://www.valdeloire-tourisme.fr/sejours-val-de-loire/chateaux-de-la-loire.html and big castle to defend against invenders "Chateau Fort" https://www.detoursenfrance.fr/patrimoine/chateaux-et-monuments/les-chateaux-forts-a-visiter-absolument-3208
[12:23] <foxmask> Jason-KR: yes ^^
[12:23] <foxmask> I bought a keybord in Korean latelty :)
[12:24] <foxmask> in silicon so I can put it on my azerty keyboard
[12:26] <Jason-KR> me 2, i'm old customer.          but i did NOT buy any MEDICAL goods from aliXpress. 나는 좀 못믿어요. ㅠㅠ
[12:28] <Jason-KR> THX 4  Ur (castles) PIC. ^^
[12:30] <foxmask> i bought à aliexpress because amazon stopped to deliery anything in france because of a social conflict with employee and Amanzon and the Gouvernment
[12:30] <Jason-KR> Ah~....
[12:32] <Jason-KR> oherwise, a masks R houseware. NOT only medical goods.
[12:36] <foxmask> yes
[12:39] <Jason-KR> fox mask: i'm sorry that there a Qty limit (less then 10~20 pcs) for send to foreign countris (from korea) by Government's policy, and
[12:41] <Jason-KR> shipping fee is too high.      AliXpress's is free, Right? So, It's cheaper than i send. ^^
[12:42] <Jason-KR> forgive me. ^^
[12:42] <foxmask> no problem:)
[12:42] <foxmask> I did not speak about that for sending masks to me :)
[12:42] <Jason-KR> ^^
[12:43] <foxmask> yes shipping is free :)
[12:43] <foxmask> (at aliexpress)
[12:45] <Jason-KR> 0.5 EUR/1 pcs at AliX ? or made in FRA ?
[12:46] <foxmask> in france
[12:47] <Jason-KR> then, how much is the one from aliX ?
[12:48] <foxmask> at aliexpress I found 10 for 25 + 40 filters ; so you dont have to throw the masks at the garbage each time
[12:48] <foxmask> 10pcs for 25€
[12:48] <Jason-KR> Ah~ OK. thx
[12:51] <Jason-KR> not all in one, who can Xchanging the only filter in masks.
[12:54] <foxmask> yes


[08:11] <Burglaptop> bon soir, robitaille
[08:12] <robitaille> hello Burglaptop
[08:12] <Burglaptop> NM works!
[09:03] <Burglaptop> robitaille, are we an approved loco team (ca)
[09:03] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  I don't think so.
[09:04] <Burglaptop> robitaille, what needs to happen for that?
[09:04] <robitaille> an approved team is one that appears to be a team, at least according to an email from Matthias a few weeks back.  Until now, I don't think we have done enough to reach that goal.
[09:05] <robitaille> once a team seems to be a "real" team, then he moves you up in the loco wiki page
[09:06] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[09:06] <robitaille> personally I don't disagree with that conclusion based on our activities in recent months
[09:09] <Burglaptop> robitaille, parsing through LocoTeam, it is a good read
[09:10] <robitaille> by the way, you are on their mailing list yet<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:10] <Burglaptop> will be soon
[09:11] <Burglaptop> am now
[09:12] <robitaille> oh maybe it wan't an email, but a comment in  an old CC meeting...
[09:12] <robitaille> s/wan't/wasn't
[09:12] <robitaille> do we keep dates of old CC meetings somewhere on the wiki?
[09:12] <Burglaptop> I will follow up on the Ubuntu Love Day at UBZ tomorrow
[09:13] <Burglaptop> ouch, that is a lot of old log parsing
[09:16] <Burglaptop> anyway, I have to sleep now
[09:16] <Burglaptop> night
[09:18] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  still here?
[09:19] <robitaille> I'll send you an email
[12:20] <mdke> morn
[02:44] <mdke> hey jsgotangco
[02:44] <jsgotangco> hey
[02:45] <mdke> damn that change of terminal
[02:45] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:45] <mdke> i think we should fix it
[02:45] <jsgotangco> along with the relocation of Add Applications
[02:45] <mdke> you?
[02:45] <jsgotangco> i have no idea how may strings are affected
[02:45] <mdke> we had warning of those from sabdfl before they made the changes, he asked in case they affected docs
[02:46] <jsgotangco> oh right
[02:46] <jsgotangco> damn my reply
[02:46] <jsgotangco> please correct me
[02:46] <mdke> i dunno how many strings are affected either
[02:46] <mdke> probably loads
[02:48] <mdke> jsgotangco, so are we going to fix about-ubuntu?
[02:48] <mdke> it is quite a serious error IMO
[02:49] <jsgotangco> it has been an error since warty
[02:49] <mdke> it is very ugly right now
[02:49] <jsgotangco> yes because its so big
[02:50] <jsgotangco> but if we use a small image, its uglier
[02:50] <mdke> is there no way to put it outside the title?
[02:50] <jsgotangco> i tried it putting on subtitle but i got errors
[02:50] <mdke> maybe even after the subtitle?
[02:51] <jsgotangco> yes that's the only way to go if we still include the logo
[02:51] <mdke> let me see how it looks
[02:51] <mdke> what tag is needed to put it after the subtitle?
[02:51] <jsgotangco> haven't you noticed all docs in yelp don't have an image on the front/title
[02:51] <mdke> i don't look at yelp a lot ;)
[02:52] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:52] <mdke> it might be that the best solution is to remove the image
[02:52] <jsgotangco> let me check my wc
[02:52] <jsgotangco> i'd move for removal
[02:52] <mdke> ok i'm happy with that
[02:52] <jsgotangco> it doesn't affect the overall doc content just the look
[02:53] <mdke> shall we remove it and post to the list?
[02:53] <mdke> if there are objections we can revoke
[02:54] <jsgotangco> gimme a minute heh i'm booting up my other laptop and look at the wc
[02:54] <jsgotangco> i should probably email shaun m and ask his opinon about this
[02:55] <mdke> y?
[02:55] <jsgotangco> for future fixes =)
[02:56] <jsgotangco> make the caption become the navigation tag =)
[02:56] <mdke> ah not sure
[02:56] <mdke> so what shall we do?
[02:56] <jsgotangco> because if you notice in yelp, the caption appeared on the side
[02:56] <jsgotangco> but not at the bottom navigation
[02:59] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[02:59] <jsgotangco> i got it
[02:59] <jsgotangco> it looks better
[02:59] <mdke> ok
[02:59] <mdke> upload?
[03:00] <jsgotangco> i can't my networks not even running because of the lack of internet
[03:00] <jsgotangco> im on a phone line
[03:00] <jsgotangco> mdke: just move the whole <inlinemediaobject> block from <title> to <subtitle>
[03:00] <mdke> ok
[03:01] <jsgotangco> and enclose the string "About Ubuntu" inside <title>
[03:01] <jsgotangco> the image becomes the subtitle
[03:01] <mdke> so, <title>About Ubuntu</title>?
[03:01] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:02] <mdke> and <subtitle>Welcome to Ubuntu <image stuff></subtitle>?
[03:02] <mdke> or remove the subtitle text?
[03:02] <jsgotangco> remove the string
[03:02] <jsgotangco> it doesn't need one anymore
[03:02] <jsgotangco> because of the caption
[03:02] <jsgotangco> if there is no image the caption is shown
[03:02] <mdke> ok pasting in here
[03:02] <mdke>     <title>About Ubuntu</title>
[03:02] <mdke> 	<subtitle>
[03:02] <mdke>         <inlinemediaobject>
[03:02] <mdke>             <imageobject>
[03:02] <mdke>                 <imagedata fileref="../../images/&language;/UbuntuLogo.png" format="PNG"/>
[03:02] <mdke>             </imageobject>
[03:02] <mdke>         </inlinemediaobject>
[03:02] <mdke> 	</subtitle>
[03:02] <mdke> which caption?
[03:03] <jsgotangco> there's no
?
[03:03] <mdke> no i don't see one
[03:03] <jsgotangco> strange my source has one
[03:03] <jsgotangco> its supposed to be under <imageobject>
[03:03] <mdke> i'm in branches/breezy
[03:03] <jsgotangco> ah right
[03:03] <jsgotangco> hrmmm
[03:03] <mdke> maybe you put it in your wc
[03:03] <jsgotangco> this is a terribly old copy
[03:03] <mdke> ok gimme the caption
[03:04] <jsgotangco> ok just put
Ubuntu Logo

[03:04] <mdke> where?
[03:04] <jsgotangco> after </imageobject>
[03:04] <mdke> k
[03:05] <jsgotangco> i'll co branch tommorow when the phone company fixes my line
[03:05] <mdke> it doesn't validate
[03:05] <jsgotangco> gyahh
[03:06] <mdke> this is what I have:
[03:06] <mdke> (pasting)
[03:06] <mdke>     <title>About Ubuntu</title>
[03:06] <mdke> 	<subtitle>
[03:06] <mdke>         <inlinemediaobject>
[03:06] <mdke>             <imageobject>
[03:06] <mdke>                 <imagedata fileref="../../images/&language;/UbuntuLogo.png" format="PNG"/>
[03:06] <mdke>             </imageobject>
[03:06] <mdke>
Ubuntu Logo

[03:06] <mdke>         </inlinemediaobject>
[03:06] <mdke> 	</subtitle>
[03:06] <jsgotangco> i guess it does not follow the DTD
[03:06] <mdke> it doesn't like it
[03:06] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:06] <mdke> let's scrap the image
[03:06] <jsgotangco> there's not supposed to be an image on subtitle
[03:07] <jsgotangco> but it'll open in yelp hehehe
[03:07] <jsgotangco> how crackful can you get
[03:08] <mdke> removing the image works for me
[03:08] <mdke> what do you think?
[03:08] <jsgotangco> eeekkk the other method is uglier, lets just scrap the image
[03:08] <jsgotangco> ive tried putting it in the body
[03:08] <jsgotangco> horrible
[03:09] <mdke> how come the second page has the title on it, but the third doesn't?
[03:09] <jsgotangco> should be
[03:09] <jsgotangco> Welcome to Ubuntu
[03:10] <mdke> nope
[03:10] <jsgotangco> 1. Welcome to Ubuntu
[03:10] <jsgotangco> 2. Participate in Ubuntu
[03:10] <jsgotangco> 3. Core Components
[03:10] <mdke> i mean
[03:11] <mdke> the first two pages have the title of the whole document on
[03:11] <mdke> the third doesn't
[03:11] <mdke> hence the image was on the first and second pages, but not the third
[03:12] <jsgotangco> what the heck
[03:13] <mdke> so what are we gonna do, remove the image?
[03:13] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:13] <jsgotangco> it'll fix everything
[03:14] <mdke> it will also mean that the firefox home page will not have the image
[03:14] <mdke> jdub, any thoughts on this? we have an issue with about-ubuntu.xml such that yelp can't show the document properly unless we remove the image
[03:14] <mdke> if we remove the image, yelp is happy and it looks fine
[03:14] <mdke> is that a problem for the firefox homepage?
[03:17] <jdub> hrm, why does the image break in yelp?
[03:19] <mdke> because it is in the document title, and so it shows on the second page too, and looks silly
[03:19] <mdke> actually I might have a solution
[03:19] <mdke> jsgotangco, how about putting the image in the first paragraph of the first page?
[03:19] <jsgotangco> it doesn't look nice
[03:20] <mdke> like this:
[03:20] <mdke> http://mdke.org/au.png
[03:20] <jsgotangco> there's a toc at the top of the image
[03:20] <mdke> yes
[03:20] <mdke> the toc is wrong too :/
[03:21] <mdke> the first page doesn't have a <sect1>
[03:21] <mdke> so you think that looks bad?
[03:21] <jsgotangco> it doesnt look bad..just awkward
[03:22] <mdke> ok I have made a <sect1> for the first page now, hang on
[03:26] <mdke> jsgotangco, what about this:
[03:26] <mdke> http://mdke.org/au.png
[03:26] <mdke> http://mdke.org/welcome.png
[03:27] <jsgotangco> err what is About Ubuntu? it now has 4 sections
[03:27] <mdke> 3 sections
[03:27] <mdke> no good?
[03:27] <mdke> that is the only thing I can think of to keep the image
[03:28] <jdub> mdke: welcome.png looks great
[03:28] <jsgotangco> yeah but that's not the first page
[03:28] <jdub> what's on the about ubuntu page?
[03:28] <jsgotangco> that's the second
[03:28] <mdke> jdub, just the toc
[03:28] <jsgotangco> jdub: the toc
[03:28] <jdub> that's pretty icky
[03:28] <mdke> yeah
[03:28] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:28] <jdub> the first one looked fine
[03:28] <mdke> with the toc above the image?
[03:29] <jsgotangco> yeah that's better than this
[03:29] <mdke> ok lemme get that one back
[03:31] <mdke> ok like this?
[03:31] <mdke> http://mdke.org/au.png
[03:31] <mdke> jdub, jsgotangco ^
[03:32] <jsgotangco> this isn't so bad
[03:32] <jsgotangco> how come About Ubuntu is too small its supposed to be <title>
[03:33] <jsgotangco> must be your resolution
[03:33] <mdke> default breezy install here
[03:33] <mdke> so shall we go with that?
[03:34] <mdke> i'd like to see how the html looks
[03:35] <jsgotangco> pretty bad i'd say
[03:35] <mdke> what package do I need for the stylesheets?
[03:37] <jsgotangco> err docbook-xsl methinks
[03:37] <mdke> alright
[03:37] <mdke> so any thoughts?
[03:37] <mdke> can I commit this version?
[03:38] <jsgotangco> yes please
[03:39] <mdke> done
[03:42] <mdke> damn, the image is missing from the built html
[03:43] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[03:43] <jsgotangco> i gotta switch
[03:43] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:43] <mdke> maybe just a problem with the makefile
[05:45] <segfault> hi
[05:46] <segfault> i generated the html file for aboutubuntu doc, however the "Welcome to Ubuntu" is not translated and it is not in the rosetta template
[05:46] <segfault> it is, however, in the original pot.
[08:02] <mdke> segfault, maybe you didn't do it right
[08:02] <mdke> what language?
[08:03] <mdke> the ones I've downloaded from rosetta and uploaded look ok
[08:37] <segfault> mdke: pt_BR
[08:38] <segfault> brazilian portuguese
[08:40] <segfault> it has 30 strings
[08:40] <segfault> but the original has 31
[08:42] <segfault> well, dunno
[08:42] <segfault> lemme check again
[08:42] <segfault> :P
[08:47] <mdke> segfault, you are probably working on the wrong original
[08:48] <mdke> the correct one is in our breezy branch
[08:52] <segfault> which is not the same in rosetta?
[08:52] <mdke> segfault, erm... you need the original xml document in order to convert the translation to an xml file
[08:52] <mdke> this original is not in rosetta at all
[08:52] <mdke> it is in our repository
[08:53] <mdke> under branches/breezy
[08:54] <segfault> f0ae5a8ba03686fc4be1a87859575167  about-ubuntu.xml
[08:54] <segfault> this one?
[08:54] <mdke> not sure
[08:54] <mdke> where did you find that one?
[08:54] <segfault> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc
[08:55] <mdke> segfault, no, that is the trunk, the correct file is in branches/breezy
[08:55] <mdke> segfault, don't worry, we will take care of it
[08:55] <segfault> i'll get the repo, thanks anyway
[08:56] <mdke> ok
[08:57] <segfault> so the breezy one is frozen?
[08:58] <mdke> yep
[09:06] <sivang> mdke: ping
[09:06] <sivang> mdke: I saw your message from yesterday, about rtl in yelp?
[10:53] <mdke> sivang, that's right but I don't have a lot of time now, could you mail the author of this email if you know how to help?
[10:53] <mdke> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-devel-list/2005-September/msg00024.html
[10:53] <mdke> thanks :)


[12:37] <danilos> hey-hey
[13:24] <gary_poster> hey benji, since the board is full with three features, I wanted to highlight that I made the work we talked about that would be shared across the mail unsubscribe story and the structural subscription edit page a card in the unsubscribe story, since it is active right now.  I put your name on it.
[13:24] <benji> sounds good
[13:30] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos : mubvle/kanban in 2
[13:30] <gary_poster> or 1
[13:30] <bac> ok
[13:31] <benji> "mubvle" today Gary has a Russian accent
[13:31] <gary_poster> :-)
[13:35] <bac> https://dev.launchpad.net/JavaScriptBuildSystem
[13:35] <gary_poster> thank you
[13:40] <bac> gary_poster: my participation in UDS is still not settled.  i will be going to the canonical summit.
[13:40] <gary_poster> ack
[13:41] <bac> francis is going to talk to elliot to see if they want me to stick around for at least a few days of UDS to amortize the cost of the plane ticket
[13:51] <danilos> bac, thanks
[13:51] <danilos> bac, (I mean, useful for me as well :)
[13:51] <bac> danilos: what are you referring?
[13:51] <danilos> bac, UDS discussion
[13:52] <bac> danilos: are you going for sure?
[13:52] <danilos> bac, btw, maybe we can organize a sprint in Belgrade right after that, or you can join me for some pair hacking because it's very close :)
[13:52] <danilos> bac, nope
[13:52] <bac> danilos: that would be great!
[14:30] <gary_poster> hey danilos, you have time for a mid-imp call?  I'm struggling with where to put stuff
[14:31] <danilos> gary_poster, sure thing
[14:31] <gary_poster> thanks
[14:31] <gary_poster> http://typewith.me/TzRISL1FRM
[14:32] <gary_poster> danilos
[14:32] <gary_poster> I hear you
[14:32] <gary_poster> just got new mumble
[14:32] <gary_poster> 2 sec
[14:32] <danilos> did you unwrap the plastic?
[16:47]  * benji lunches.