[00:09] <clivejo> yofel: I think this is a list of the packages in PIM - http://paste.ubuntu.com/21698589/
[02:27] <jbicha> ahoneybun: ok I may be able to help some
 atm clivejo, and yofel are asleep
 I just wanted to get attention since the freeze is coming
 I know acheronuk as some qt packages in his ppa
[02:31] <jbicha> ahoneybun: I assume you saw that Mirv uploaded a bunch of Qt/KDE stuff the past few days
 Yea I saw that he was around
[02:36] <jbicha> ahoneybun: could you look into https://code.launchpad.net/~torsten.franz/kubuntu-web-shortcuts/kubuntu-web-shortcuts/+merge/288027
[02:37] <jbicha> I don't run KDE but that seems to make sense but I can't commit to your git repos
[02:48] <ahoneybun> looks like it has not had an update since 15.04
[02:53] <ahoneybun> we're not on git anymore jbicha
[02:53] <ahoneybun> also I get this error: different rich-root support
[02:53] <ahoneybun> when trying to merge
[02:56] <ahoneybun> I did the change my self and pushed it
[02:56] <ahoneybun> rev45 added to kubuntu-web-shortcuts
[02:58] <jbicha> ahoneybun: if you update the d/changelog, I'll upload it to yakkety for you
[02:59] <ahoneybun> alright
[03:00] <ahoneybun> kubuntu-web-shortcuts (16.10ubuntu1) yakkety; urgency=medium
[03:00] <ahoneybun> is that good?
[03:01] <ahoneybun> jbicha: sorry if I highlight too much
[03:02] <jbicha> ahoneybun: np, …or you could make it a native pkg, like 16.10.0 or whatever
[03:02] <ahoneybun> native?
[03:02] <ahoneybun> just add 16.10.0ubuntu1?
[03:04] <ahoneybun> I don't do this too much
[03:05] <jbicha> ok, to make it native, you change debian/source/format to 3.0 (native) and you can use just "16.10.0" in debian/changelog
[03:05] <ahoneybun> still lost about the .0 part
[03:06] <ahoneybun> it is native
[03:06] <jbicha> or "16.10.1"
[03:06] <ahoneybun> not sure what is wrong with 16.10ubuntu1
[03:07] <jbicha> it's like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings
[03:07] <jbicha> native pkgs don't need the -1 or -0ubuntu1, etc.
[03:08] <ahoneybun> kubuntu-web-shortcuts (16.10.0) yakkety; urgency=medium
[03:08] <ahoneybun> ?
[03:08] <jbicha> yes
[03:10] <ahoneybun> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-web-shortcuts/trunk/revision/46
[03:10] <ahoneybun> done
[03:10] <jbicha> ok, I think it would be polite to cite Torsten as the originator of that change
[03:11] <ahoneybun> I was thinking on how to do that without dch complaining
[03:11] <ahoneybun> I'll see if I can do it lol
[03:14] <ahoneybun> done
[03:14] <ahoneybun> thanks for the push on that
[03:15] <jbicha> that's one way, the other 2 ways are adding brackets around his name like was done with 11.10ubuntu1
[03:16] <jbicha> or just using his name and email as the signature instead of yours (the down side is it might expose a casual contributor's email to spam)
[03:16] <jbicha> anyway, uploading…
[03:16] <ahoneybun> oh I see
[03:16] <ahoneybun> I'll try to do that next time
[03:24] <ahoneybun> jbicha: looks like it needs some fixing before it can be uploaded
[03:24] <ahoneybun> got a build fail email from LP
[03:28] <ahoneybun> looks like pkg-kde-tools had a kubuntu_l10n.pm but only in wily and back
[03:33] <jbicha> yeah, we should have test-built it first
[03:34] <jbicha> would you be interested in merging https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-kde/plasma/breeze-gtk.git/commit/?id=be22019
[03:35] <ahoneybun> tbh not sure I have power to do so
[03:35] <jbicha> mention LP: #1593048 in the changelog if you do
[03:35] <jbicha> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2016-July/004817.html
[03:36] <jbicha> merge into https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/breeze-gtk?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[03:37] <ahoneybun> uh
[03:38]  * tsimonq2 waves
[03:39] <ahoneybun> I might be able to make the change myself and merge it
[03:39] <ahoneybun> maybe
[03:42] <ahoneybun> jbicha: in the changelog do I use that whole url?
[03:45] <ahoneybun> hey tsimonq2
[03:46] <jbicha> ahoneybun: no, just close that bug with the changelog
[03:46] <ahoneybun> mm
[03:46] <jbicha> breeze-gtk only supports GTK 3.18 or 3.20 but not both
[03:47] <jbicha> if a bug is marked with the tag block-proposed it will keep the affected package from migrating out of -proposed
[03:48] <jbicha> when they're ready for GTK 3.20 to migrate, they'll remove the tag and things will not break (as badly)
[03:48] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/21719404/ jbicha
[03:50] <jbicha> ahoneybun: looks good but I tweaked it a bit http://paste.ubuntu.com/21719554/
[03:51] <jbicha> it might not recognize the format LP#1593048
[03:55] <ahoneybun> mm I don't think I have access
[03:56] <ahoneybun> or this is beyond me
[03:56] <ahoneybun> or both
[03:56] <ahoneybun> sorry
[03:57] <jbicha> ahoneybun: thanks, maybe you can find another Kubuntu packager to help you out
[03:57] <ahoneybun> yea once yofel or clivejo are back
[03:57] <ahoneybun> they have push access to it all
[03:57] <ahoneybun> I just have access to LP since I'm on the Council
[03:58] <jbicha> I believe you're a member of the team that owns that branch so you should have commit privileges
[03:59] <ahoneybun> on LP not that git thing
[03:59] <jbicha> but it might be better to work with a Kubuntu person instead of me
[03:59] <ahoneybun> well we don't know of every issue
[03:59] <ahoneybun> but we do need someone to sponsor alot of work
[04:00] <ahoneybun> everyone has been kicking butt on new Qt/KDE packages
[04:00] <ahoneybun> feature freeze is on Aug 18th
[04:51] <tsimonq2> ooh who's been cleaning out the kubuntu-devel queue? :O
[04:52] <valorie> I haven't finished reading up, but just wanted to warn of the mail dump
[04:52]  * valorie finally got listadmin working again
[04:52] <valorie> between all those merges and tons of spam, that was loads of fun
[04:53] <valorie> but the merge requests - awesome!
[04:53] <tsimonq2> :D
[04:53] <tsimonq2> valorie: the list finally gets spammed with my 25+ MPs :D
[04:53] <tsimonq2> (total in the past few weeks)
[04:54] <tsimonq2> I still want to run wrap-and-sort and bump the Standards-version on all of them :P
[05:05] <ahoneybun> I tried to do something but failed lol
[05:07] <Mirv> the autopkgtests are finally complete to the extent they're going to be updated without some tweaks from admings. could you look at the failures http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#qtbase-opensource-src (and elsewhere) and get a list of to-be-overridden test failures to give to eg pitti? otherwise it won't migrate. and of course fixed uploads would be welc
[05:07] <Mirv> ome if there are real problems.
[05:08] <Mirv> there's a lot of kwin segfaults for example<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:08] <Mirv> we're taking care of the unity8 regressions
[05:12] <tsimonq2> yofel: ^
[05:54] <acheronuk> most of those segfaults are for wayland are they not? which is par for the course with the current state of that?
[05:54] <valorie> btw the marble devels are pretty cool people
[05:54] <valorie> including Dennis
[05:55] <tsimonq2> valorie: DENNIS! :D
[05:55] <valorie> but you might collar him at Akademy and discuss the symbol-killing
[05:55] <valorie> he might not recognize how much grief he's causing
[05:55] <acheronuk> I'm sure they are. they just had unfortunate timing for me on Sat
[05:55] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: I bugged jbicha about uploading
[05:56] <tsimonq2> I won't be there valorie :(
[05:56] <valorie> would be nice to see Kubuntu web shortcuts come back from the grave
[05:56] <valorie> tsimonq2: next time
[05:56] <ahoneybun> I don't even know what it is valorie
[05:56] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: I'm not 100% sure what needs done that is outside remit of kubuntu people to do
[05:56] <ahoneybun> I've never seen it
[05:57] <tsimonq2> valorie: conversation -> #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:57] <valorie> clivejo and yofel will be there though
[05:57] <ahoneybun> clivejo was talking about sponsor to upload
[06:05] <valorie> ahoneybun: I think you can look at the code and see pretty easily what the web shortcuts are
[06:05] <valorie> as I recall, it's pretty simple
[06:05] <ahoneybun> I did
[06:05] <ahoneybun> no idea where the darn thing is on the system
[06:06] <ahoneybun> tbh it looks useless
[06:06] <ahoneybun> it points to a .pm that is not in xenial or yakkety
[06:07] <ahoneybun> kubuntu_l10n.pm
[06:14] <valorie> I believe that sitter created it, so you might ask him about it
[06:15] <ahoneybun> well it's gone so the build fails
[06:15] <ahoneybun> I might try to remove it but not sure
[06:15] <ahoneybun> tbh not going to bother anyone in neon
[06:31]  * ahoneybun just noticed the 23 emails and wonder how many are from tsimonq2
[06:32] <ahoneybun> 20...
[06:32] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: see? :D
[06:32] <ahoneybun> was that the surprise?
[06:33] <tsimonq2> nope
[06:39] <tsimonq2> YES! green screen! :D
[06:42] <valorie> weeeeee
[06:43] <soee> hiho
[06:43] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: what's up with xenial_unstable_qt-gstreamer ?
[06:43] <tsimonq2> soee: o/
[06:44] <acheronuk> Green after failed dputs to LP I think.
[06:44] <tsimonq2> and xenial_unstable_sddm
[06:45] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: qt-gstreamer hasn't been built in AGES
[06:52] <acheronuk> qt-gstreamer is still taking packaging from debian git I think?
[06:53] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: so I need to take a look?
[06:53] <acheronuk> and I think the KDE projects that did use it may have switched to a different backend since?
[06:54] <acheronuk> so maybe defunct?
[06:54] <tsimonq2> maybve
[06:54] <tsimonq2> *maybe
[06:54] <tsimonq2> if so, it should stop being built
[06:56] <acheronuk> at the moment I can't recall what used/uses it
[06:56] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: what's the difference between the stable and unstable KCI PPAs and how can I display failures in stable?
[06:57] <acheronuk> yofl disabled stable. he was asking clive what the point of it was the other day. lol
[06:58] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: can xenial_unstable_qtcurve be rebuilt?
[07:00] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: where are the KCI build scripts held? I found a typo
[07:00] <tsimonq2> "Soure no longer pending, waiting for binaries"
[07:02] <acheronuk> I think https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci-admins/kubuntu-ci/+git/pangea-tooling/
[07:11] <tsimonq2> \o/
[07:11] <tsimonq2> thanks acheronuk
[07:41] <tsimonq2> so, update in qtwebengine
[07:42] <tsimonq2> qtwebchannel is being updated to mentors.debian.org and we hope to get it sponsored soon
[07:42] <tsimonq2> and qtwebengine builds! \o/
[07:42] <tsimonq2> (it just needs some more tweaks)
[07:43] <tsimonq2> hefee leaves for vacation in a little more than a week, but I think we'll get it done for then :)
[07:45] <valorie> fantastic news, tsimonq2
[07:45] <tsimonq2> valorie: yeah, we're close ;)
[08:01] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: :D
[08:58] <sitter> ahoneybun: kubuntu_l10n.pm is needed to do i18n
[08:58] <sitter> you'll want to find out where it went and it went away
[09:19] <jimarvan> hello peeps :D
[09:19] <jimarvan> boy I had a great Sunday :)
[09:44] <Mirv> yofel: fixing marble symbol errors in its autopkgtests. the kwin would need checking from you guys and getting an override from admins if ok. others needing similarly overriden if ok from you: kde-cli-tools libkscreen kdepim-runtime kxmlgui extra-cmake-modules kconfigwidgets okteta (amd64, retried) akonadi-search kidentitymanagement kdelibs4support kwayland libkscreen plasma-framework (s390x, retried)
[09:44] <Mirv> this's me browsing manually through the people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html from top to bottom
 Tsimonq2 : https://launchpadlibrarian.net/276089870/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.qtwebengine-opensource-src_5.6.1-2ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:51] <acheronuk> getting there though!
[09:56] <soee> cool,  my monitor doe snot have even 14 days and it has to go to service ...
[10:12] <Mirv> yofel: ok addition maybe test marble and add that to the to-be-forced list if it works, there is some OpenCV related FTBFS that I don't know how to solve... so it's not enough to just update the symbols
[10:18] <tsimonq2> can someone please add me to the Telegram channel?
[10:18] <tsimonq2> tsimonq3
[10:18] <tsimonq2> whoops, I'm tsimonq2
[10:19] <tsimonq2> Clifford: I'm on mobile so I can't click the link
[10:19] <tsimonq2> but maybe being added via Telegram might help ;)
 Hey perfect! :D
 You're a cool kid now!
 :D
 Thanks Clifford for letting me know about the build error
 It takes a long time to build :/
 * nods knowingly *
 Yeah I'm making some food for the family for lunch so I didn't get to check on my build but I have my phone on me, so thanks :)
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/zPLKJuNG/file_30.jpg
 Only an hour and 33mins
 Yep I got a chance to copy/paste the build log link from Telegram
 WOAH O__O
 Took me longer downloading and uploading to LP
 Longer than that? Woah
 Yup. We have the information super country track in Ireland
 Never know when you'll hit a pothole or get stuck behind a tractor
 And probably a dead end
[11:04]  * Mirv found 4 new packages in yakkety, recently added, that need a no-change rebuild for new Qt... handled
[11:05] <Mirv> poppler fixed, leaving the mentioned packages for you to investigate / whitelist and the Unity 8 for us to investigate / whitelist
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:48] <tsimonq2> o/ BluesKaj, how are you?
[11:48] <BluesKaj> fine thanks tsimonq2, and you?
[11:49] <tsimonq2> great :)
[12:05] <mamarley> Mirv: Thanks for merging Quassel from Debian into Ubuntu, but the rebuild against Qt5.6 and GCC5 has triggered a bug causing SSL support to be disabled.  I have opened a bug report with a patch taken from Quassel git that fixes the issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/1608498
[12:28] <Mirv> mamarley: you're welcome and thanks, I'll add it!
[12:35] <tsimonq2> clivejo: what else is there to do besides patch unstable?
[12:35] <clivejo> tsimonq2: so there are a number of KDE apps which need looked at
[12:36] <clivejo> calligra, kdenlive, kdeconnect-kde, krita etc
[12:36] <tsimonq2> so what has to be done for them?
[12:37] <clivejo> https://www.linux-apps.com/search?projectSearchText=kde
[12:37] <clivejo> check whats in the archive, and if there is an update try and package it
[12:38] <tsimonq2> is there anything *new* that I can package as well?
[12:39] <clivejo> well the likes of calligra and krita are being ported to KF5, so will require the packaging to be re-done
[12:39] <tsimonq2> ok
[12:40] <clivejo> have a look on Alioth too for updated packaging
[12:40] <clivejo> no point in re-inventing the wheel
[12:40] <tsimonq2> alright
[12:40] <clivejo> also check on LP for Please upgrade bugs
[12:40] <tsimonq2> where on LP are those?
[12:41] <clivejo> 3rd party software which needs updating
[12:41] <BluesKaj> had to revert my main OS back to 14.04 ...16.04 was juat too buggy for my needs ...still testing 16.10 tho
[12:41] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I mean against which project/package?
[12:41] <clivejo> I cant think of one off hand
[12:42] <clivejo> but there are a few
[12:42] <tsimonq2> oh maybe in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs
[12:42] <tsimonq2> right?
[12:43] <tsimonq2> clivejo: how about bug 1255895 ?
[12:44] <clivejo> some of them require a lot of background work
[12:44] <clivejo> but update the thread with new info
[12:45] <clivejo> that one looks like a fix was released
[12:45] <clivejo> but look into it anyway, there might be an update you could package
[12:46] <tsimonq2> nope, nothing on the KDE tarball site
[12:46] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~utf8snowman/+archive/ubuntu/cutepaste
[12:47] <tsimonq2> it's a package from 2013 with no release since, not sure about packaging it
[12:48] <clivejo> might have been abondon
[12:48] <clivejo> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=cutepaste.git
[12:49] <clivejo> Id add a comment on the thread with an update, pointing to no recent development
[12:49] <tsimonq2> maybe mark as invalid? because there's no point in packaging then
[12:49] <clivejo> so if anyone else comes along they can quickly get the info
[12:51] <acheronuk> on a similar theme, how do I request that labplot gets synced from debian?
[12:54] <clivejo> tsimonq2: if you want to be sure, package up the latest version and test it in Plasma 5
[12:54] <clivejo> it might be a tool for KDE4
[12:55] <tsimonq2> well it's in the archive
[12:56] <mamarley> Mirv: Thanks!
 @soee, This looks excellent!! I've thought for a long time we need something like this.
 Hey @Sick_Rimmit how are you?
 HI there.. I am good
 You;ve been very busy is see 😃
 :D yep
 Upcoming Ninja I think 😉
 don't push it @Sick_Rimmit lol
 :P
 he he
[13:01]  * tsimonq2 does ninja dance that nobody will ever see :P
[13:02] <shadeslayer> tsimonq2: I saw it!
[13:02] <shadeslayer> muwhaha
[13:02] <tsimonq2> ;)
[13:03] <ahoneybun> hey shadeslayer
[13:03] <clivejo> hi shadeslayer, long time no see :)
[13:03] <clivejo> what you been up to?
[13:03] <shadeslayer> work and stuffs
[13:03] <clivejo> Debian stuffs?
[13:03] <shadeslayer> yeah :)
[13:03] <clivejo> ah nice one
[13:04] <shadeslayer> how about you guys
[13:04] <ahoneybun> it like when the group splits into different towns but same jobs
[13:04] <clivejo> just learning new stuffs
[13:04] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:05]  * yofel throws jenkins jobs at shadeslayer
[13:05] <clivejo> are you in the "party" flat?
[13:05] <yofel> and rubies
[13:05] <shadeslayer> clivejo: I am :P
[13:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: haha
[13:05] <yofel> just because it's monday :P
[13:05]  * shadeslayer catches all of the rubies
[13:05] <shadeslayer> I'm rich!
[13:05] <shadeslayer> cya suckers
[13:05] <yofel> :D
[13:05] <tsimonq2> \o/ o/ yofel
[13:05] <shadeslayer> I was actually reading https://blog.blockscore.com/new-features-in-ruby-2-4/
[13:05] <ahoneybun> oh how I missed you shadeslayer lol
[13:06] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:06] <ahoneybun> going to akademy shadeslayer?
[13:06] <shadeslayer> I missed all of you guys too <3
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: yep
[13:06] <tsimonq2> I haven't seen shadeslayer before, who are you? :D
[13:06] <ahoneybun> nice
[13:06] <shadeslayer> with all of the monies I made from my rubies
[13:06] <ahoneybun> he was one of the top Kubuntu devs
[13:06] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: ^
[13:07]  * ahoneybun walks out for a min
[13:07] <tsimonq2> oh okay :)
[13:10]  * ahoneybun walks in
[13:11] <tsimonq2> hey hey hey :D
[13:14]  * clivejo does a qtwebengine dance
[13:14] <tsimonq2> :D :D :D
[13:14]  * tsimonq2 dances with clivejo
[13:14] <tsimonq2> clivejo: what's up with QtWebEngine? :P
[13:15] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/yakkety/+build/10545525
[13:15] <clivejo> it built :)
[13:15] <yofel> ship it!
[13:15] <tsimonq2> OMG HOW DID YOU DO THAT :P
[13:15] <tsimonq2> clivejo: how did you get it to build?
[13:15] <tsimonq2> clivejo: can you send me some patch mail? :D
[13:16] <tsimonq2> well I can probably diff it
[13:16] <clivejo> I used the debian packaging which has a number of your commits!
[13:16] <tsimonq2> clivejo: straight from the Debian packaging?
[13:16] <clivejo> yup
[13:16] <yofel> so that builds in ubuntu but not on debian o.O?
[13:16]  * tsimonq2 git pulls
[13:16] <clivejo> its was just a test
[13:16] <acheronuk> \o?
[13:16] <yofel> does it install?
[13:17] <acheronuk> or even \o/
[13:17] <tsimonq2> yofel: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtwebengine.git/
[13:17] <clivejo> LOL dunno, it hasnt published yet!
[13:17] <yofel> tsimonq2: yes?
[13:17] <yofel> oh right ^^
[13:17] <acheronuk> Sandro was busy earlier it seems
[13:17] <clivejo> I was just curious after acheronuk mentioned activity on git last night
[13:18] <clivejo> qtwebchannel was released to unstable so I thought Id try
[13:18] <acheronuk> clivejo: it looked 'close' but even still that is a nice surprise
[13:18] <tsimonq2> :O IT MADE IT? :D
[13:19] <clivejo> yofel: can I copy it to KCI unstable while its still publishing?
[13:19] <tsimonq2> clivejo: grr it's not 100% done yet! :P
[13:20] <yofel> clivejo: if it *installs*, yes
[13:20] <yofel> then yeah, please do it so we can get kdepimlibs to build
[13:20] <tsimonq2> *I* am fine as long as you promise to pull changes :D
[13:20] <clivejo> yofel: would dropping it into unstable not be test enough? :P
[13:21] <clivejo> PIM will soon test it!
[13:21] <acheronuk> it's not going to break anything that isn't already broken in KCI?
[13:22] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: if anything it will fix a few things
[13:22] <clivejo> acheronuk: yeah, my thoughts exactly
[13:23] <acheronuk> it should fix loads if it's buildable against
[13:23] <clivejo> we know!!
[13:23] <clivejo> its broken!
[13:24] <acheronuk> KCI/jenkins has perverse timing sometimes
[13:25] <clivejo> does anyone have a container to test the installablity?
[13:25] <clivejo> I have to get back to work
[13:47] <acheronuk> Qt5WebEngine seems to install here ok in a YY chroot with KCI and clivejo's ppa
[13:47] <tsimonq2> great acheronuk :)
[13:47] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: there's a lot more to fix
[13:48] <acheronuk> and enabling YY proposed for the Qt5 packages there doesn't seem to break it either
[13:49] <acheronuk> ^^^ yofel anything else to test?
[13:50] <yofel> not for the CI use case, ship it
[13:50] <acheronuk> I shall copy across to CI then :)
[15:19] <tsimonq2> ooh I know what I can do
[15:19] <tsimonq2> new Konversation version I think :O
[15:22] <tsimonq2> clivejo: ping, I'll try and do the right thing, but you're the last person to touch Konversation, I'm going to update to 1.6.1
[15:24] <yofel> tsimonq2: that's not a todo
[15:24] <yofel> !info konversation yakkety
[15:25] <tsimonq2> yofel: then why isn't in our Git?
[15:25] <yofel> someone else did that without git I think
[15:25] <tsimonq2> well can I put it in the Git repo please?
[15:27] <tsimonq2> yofel: because the last time it was built was a month ago...
[15:29] <yofel> tsimonq2: yes, import it into git for yakkety_archive
[15:29] <yofel> for the automated packages we have a check for that, for other packages not
[15:29] <tsimonq2> yofel: alright, then I assume it will magically travel to kubuntu_unstable? :D
[15:29] <yofel> yes
[15:30] <tsimonq2> great
[15:31] <tsimonq2> yofel: ok, that would be creating a new branch, do I git checkout -b kubuntu_yakkety_archive while in master?
[15:31] <yofel> only if there is no other kubuntu_*_archive branch, if there is, branch off from the last one
[15:32] <tsimonq2> vivid...
[15:32] <tsimonq2> ok
[15:56] <tsimonq2> grr
[15:56] <tsimonq2> yofel: can you fix this? http://storage6.static.itmages.com/i/16/0801/h_1470067032_5787042_3a26358896.png
[15:57] <yofel> tsimonq2: *that* is a branch, not a repo path
[15:58] <tsimonq2> yofel: then how do I propose for merging?
[16:02] <tsimonq2> yofel: maybe you have to create the branch locally and just push an identical branch to kubuntu_vivid_archive?
[16:04] <tsimonq2> yofel: (checkout kubuntu_yakkety_archive from kubuntu_vivid_archive and just push)
[16:10] <tsimonq2> !info purpose
[16:11] <tsimonq2> !info purpose xenial
[16:11] <tsimonq2> !info purpose wily
[16:11] <tsimonq2> :/
[16:11] <tsimonq2> !info purpose unstable
[16:12] <tsimonq2> !info kamoso
[16:13] <tsimonq2> finally
[16:13] <tsimonq2> !info kamoso unstable
[16:13] <tsimonq2> *shrug*
[16:22] <tsimonq2> !info drumstick
[16:22] <tsimonq2> !info libdrumstick
[16:26] <acheronuk> needs a proper package name?
[16:27] <acheronuk> !info libdrumstick-dev
[16:27] <tsimonq2> OH thanks acheronuk
[16:27] <acheronuk> I thought it also recognised the source package name, but clearly not.
[16:32] <tsimonq2> !info kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer
[17:11] <tsimonq2> yay for lots of PRs incoming! :P
[17:12] <tsimonq2> 8!
[17:25] <clivejo> BTW who ever copied qtweb* it would been faster to copy source and binary instead of rebuilding it again!
[17:25] <tsimonq2> clivejo: you would be talking to acheronuk then :P
[17:26] <clivejo> He knows Im talking to him :P
[17:26] <tsimonq2> ;) :O
[17:26] <acheronuk> clivejo: yes, I know! realised that about secs after I did it!
[17:27] <clivejo> ah its just published!
[17:27] <clivejo> acheronuk: Ive done the same thing!
[17:27] <tsimonq2> clivejo: can I get help with my konversation PR? it would be great if you could do the following command: git checkout kubuntu_vivid_archive && git checkout -b kubuntu_yakkety_archive && git push origin kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[17:27] <tsimonq2> clivejo: that way I can make a PR against it
[17:28] <clivejo> has it been moved to LP git?
[17:29] <tsimonq2> well I synced with Yakkety
[17:29] <clivejo> ah yes
[17:29] <tsimonq2> I have it all ready
[17:29] <tsimonq2> I just need to make a PR
[17:30] <clivejo> you want it based on vivid_archive?
[17:30] <clivejo> kubuntu_unstable looks more current?
[17:30] <tsimonq2> that's what I based my changes on (y_o_f_e_l said to)
[17:30] <tsimonq2> in konversation
[17:30] <tsimonq2> huh?
[17:30]  * tsimonq2 loogs
[17:30] <tsimonq2> *looks
[17:31] <tsimonq2> clivejo: well no, either way we need a kubuntu_yakkety_archive branch
[17:31] <tsimonq2> and it's an old version either way
[17:32] <tsimonq2> it needs to be merged from the Yakkety archive
[17:32] <clivejo> ok Ill base it on vivid :/
[17:32] <tsimonq2> thank you
[17:33] <acheronuk> clivejo: qtwebengine for XX on KCI? I just copied your YY packages for now to see how that went
[17:34] <clivejo> acheronuk: Ill try a backport later
[17:34] <clivejo> if YY ones work!
[17:35] <acheronuk> fingers crossed
[17:36] <clivejo> tsimonq2: done
[17:36] <tsimonq2> thanks clivejo
[17:37] <tsimonq2> clivejo: there ya go: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-konversation/+merge/301686
[17:39] <clivejo> ok, so thats a debian merge
[17:39] <tsimonq2> yeah
[17:39] <tsimonq2> you need me to correct something?
[17:39] <clivejo> can you update the VCS --> LP
[17:40] <tsimonq2> alright
[17:40] <clivejo> and sync with the archive
[17:40] <tsimonq2> I did sync with the Yakkety archive
[17:40] <clivejo> !info konversation
[17:40] <clivejo> so its synced and merged with Debian?
[17:41] <tsimonq2> well the version in Yakkety is a Debian import it seems
[17:48] <tsimonq2> clivejo: this fixes the Vcs-* fields: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-konversation/+merge/301698
[17:49] <tsimonq2> oh great, has conflicts, hold on... :(
[17:51] <tsimonq2> whoops I was dumb
[17:51] <tsimonq2> https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-konversation/+merge/301699
[17:52] <tsimonq2> another 7 PRs! \o/ :P
[18:03] <tsimonq2> oh no...
[18:03] <clivejo> oh well actually if thats what matches with the archive and we havent a new release, then no need
[18:04] <tsimonq2> well it needs appdata -> metainfo, I'm on it
[18:04] <tsimonq2> (konversation)
[18:12] <tsimonq2> hmm, why doesn't konversation_merger merge kubuntu_yakkety_archive -> kubuntu_unstable?
[18:13] <tsimonq2> oh...that's because we don't have kubuntu_stable
[18:13] <tsimonq2> shouldn't it merge that anyways if kubuntu_stable isn't present?
[18:14] <tsimonq2> is my logic sound? if kubuntu_stable isn't present, do kubuntu_yakkety_archive -> kubuntu_unstable?
[18:15] <tsimonq2> if somebody can back it up, I'll write a PR for KCI to do that :)
[18:15] <clivejo> sbuild-build-depends-kdepimlibs-dummy : Depends: libqt5webengine5-dev (>= 5.6.1~) but it is not installable
[18:15] <clivejo> :(
[18:16] <acheronuk> clivejo: qt5webengine is still not published!
[18:17] <clivejo> oh, I thought it was
[18:17] <tsimonq2> yeah there was a complaint in #launchpad about a minute ago about insanely slow publish speeds and I backed the guy up
[18:17] <tsimonq2> it's terrible
[18:19] <clivejo> tsimonq2: KCI didnt know about yakkety branch
[18:19] <clivejo> Ive just told it
[18:19] <tsimonq2> :O
[18:19] <tsimonq2> clivejo: is it going to merge now? :D
[18:19] <clivejo> just did and failed ^
[18:20] <clivejo> Merge conflict
[18:20] <tsimonq2> ooooh
[18:20] <tsimonq2> alright, fixing
[18:20] <clivejo> probably the VCS
[18:20] <clivejo> Merge conflict in debian/control
[18:20] <clivejo> Hi Rick
[18:21] <sick_rimmit> Hi there clivejo
[18:21] <acheronuk> evening :)
[18:21] <tsimonq2> hey hey hey sick_rimmit, how are you this evening? (I think it's evening for you guys, right? :P)
[18:22] <sick_rimmit> Yes it's evening, just had dinner, am sitting down to look at packagin documentation
[18:22] <tsimonq2> ooh fun :D
[18:23] <clivejo> tsimonq2: Bumping Standards-Version: 3.9.8 isnt a great idea
[18:23] <clivejo> if we need to backport anything to Xenial the max there is 3.9.7
[18:24] <tsimonq2> hmm you are right :(
[18:26] <clivejo> just ignore the warning about old version
[18:26] <clivejo> there isnt that much difference to cause a problem
[18:27] <clivejo> are all these PR standards bumps?
[18:43] <tsimonq2> clivejo: gosh darnit, you beat me to it...
[18:44] <clivejo> sorry, had it all locally
[18:47] <clivejo> acheronuk: qtwebengine has published but doesnt look like its going to fix it :(
[18:47] <tsimonq2> :(
[18:47] <acheronuk> clivejo: kdepimlibs is building now
[18:47] <acheronuk> needed libqt5webchannel-dev as well it turns out
[18:48] <tsimonq2> ooooooooooh
[18:48] <tsimonq2> :P
[18:48] <acheronuk> it will sure fail on something else though....
[18:48] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: that works fine BTW
[18:48] <tsimonq2> (qtwebchannel)
[18:48] <clivejo> well Joseph, Mary and the wee baby Jesus!
[18:48] <acheronuk> I hope so, it's in the KCI ppa
[18:50] <acheronuk> Cannot find (any matches for).... LOADS!
[18:50] <acheronuk> not surprised since it's not built for ages
[18:50] <clivejo> needs prison too!
[18:50] <clivejo> LOL
[18:51] <acheronuk> ok. food. back in a little while
[18:51] <clivejo> well it built!
[18:51] <clivejo> just the packaging to sort out!
[18:52] <tsimonq2> \o/
[18:53] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: Ping
 Pong
[19:03] <santa_> good evening everyone
[19:03] <tsimonq2> SANTA! :D
[19:03] <santa_> yo
[19:04] <tsimonq2> so he does exist... :P
[19:05] <santa_> since the 80's
[19:05] <clivejo> tsimonq2: patches for kdepimlibs greatly recieved!
[19:06] <tsimonq2> clivejo: hm?
[19:07] <davmor2> 80's you say..../me thinks santa is an abreviation for Santana now then :D
[19:08] <santa_> it's for Santamaría though
[19:09] <clivejo> tsimonq2: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/276206004/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.kdepimlibs_4%3A16.04.3+p16.10+git20160801.1840-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:09] <tsimonq2> ouch
[19:10] <santa_> yofel: hi, did you have time to review my kubuntu automation work? no hurries of course, I won't have time to continue yet until, at least, a couple of days. but would be nice to get the things merged before I continue
[19:11] <santa_> (so I don't pile up too many things in your table)
[19:21] <tsimonq2> working on that now ^
[19:22] <tsimonq2> seems like there are just a bunch of dh_install errors left
[19:26] <sick_rimmit> Hi santa_ good evening :-D
[19:27] <santa_> hi
[19:27] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: sorry your bot ponged me back so I didn't get a bell from Konversation
[19:28] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: I could do with a little assistance with the RST docs for the manual
[19:28] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: I'm trying to a pull request ready for you
[19:29] <clivejo> tsimonq2: Im working on it too
[19:29] <clivejo> so keep an eye on unstable
[19:29] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: yes. but look at the git changes to to what have been removed, what has been moved, and why
[19:30] <acheronuk> *to see
[19:30] <tsimonq2> will do
[19:30] <tsimonq2> clivejo: ^
[19:31] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: alright :)
[19:31] <acheronuk> e.g. https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdepimlibs.git&a=commit&h=e3de1cd898629152863db943d3c844c955fba763
[19:33] <tsimonq2> \o/
[19:33] <tsimonq2> konversation is fixed! yay!
[19:34] <sick_rimmit> tsimonq2: Nice work :-)
[19:35] <acheronuk> ahh. clivejo has already done a fair bit in kdepimlibs while I was off getting food :)
[19:35] <tsimonq2> thanks sick_rimmit :)
[19:36]  * tsimonq2 does a fast build of clivejo's changes in an shm sbuild
[19:37] <tsimonq2> ARGH failed again...WHY konversation...
[19:37] <tsimonq2> clivejo: internal error, konversation needs a rebuild please
[19:38] <clivejo> KCI should retry automatically
[19:38] <tsimonq2> oh it does?
[19:38] <tsimonq2> cool! :D
[19:38] <clivejo> it does since Phil told it to!
[19:39] <tsimonq2> thanks Phil, I no longer have a reason to constantly poke people :P

[19:39] <acheronuk> That new retry thing is equally great and maddening
[19:39] <tsimonq2> XD
[19:42] <tsimonq2> wait WHAT
[19:42] <tsimonq2> kdepimlibs works fine locally
[19:42] <tsimonq2> IT BUILDS
[19:43] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: that KCI is one git change behind
[19:43] <clivejo> yes, but missing files
[19:43] <tsimonq2> huh?
[19:43] <tsimonq2> [19:43] <tsimonq2> [19:43] <clivejo> I guess I forgot a NOCI somewhere
[19:43] <acheronuk> build 79 should be clive's latest change
[19:44] <tsimonq2> well I just did a local build from the tip of the git tree
[19:44] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: which is what build 79 should match
[19:45] <tsimonq2> ooh then we wait :D
[19:45] <clivejo> and wait
[19:45] <clivejo> and wait
[19:45] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/10547529
[19:45] <clivejo> til our bones turn to dust
[19:45] <acheronuk> Start in 1 hour
[19:46] <tsimonq2> yeah because Launchpad is slow as hell :(
[19:49] <acheronuk> think we upset it? lol
[19:49] <tsimonq2> yeah wth
[19:49] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/builders/
[19:49] <tsimonq2> the builder queues aren't that huge
[19:50] <acheronuk> a lot of 'cleaning'
[19:50] <tsimonq2> oh now the time is down
[19:51] <tsimonq2> "Start in 36 minutes"
[19:51] <tsimonq2> OH now it's building!
[19:51] <tsimonq2> there we go!
[19:51] <tsimonq2> go go go go GOOOOO!
[19:51] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/10547529
[19:52] <acheronuk> If this builds, it may unleash all sorts of other mayhem
[19:53] <tsimonq2> oh you know it
[19:53] <tsimonq2> I'll be on here until it's all good :D
[19:53] <clivejo> are there new packages in 16.08?
[19:54]  * clivejo wonders where that social stuffs has disappeared to
[19:54] <tsimonq2> so while I'm here, could you please explain to me the difference between plasma and applications releases and what releases we have? (how often, etc.)_
[19:55] <clivejo> there are three main releases frameworks, plasma and applications
[19:56] <clivejo> as you have seen there are cross dependencies which make things difficult
[19:56] <acheronuk> clivejo: https://community.kde.org/Applications/16.08_Release_Notes
 Idk why rick pinged ne
 @a
 whoops
 lol
[19:57] <clivejo> like the kholidays which is apps being needed for Plasma 5.7 release
[19:57] <clivejo> kdepimlibs ?!?
[19:58] <tsimonq2> ahhhhhhhh
[19:58] <clivejo> they arent shipping that?
[19:58] <tsimonq2> are you KIDDING ME
[19:58] <clivejo> what? who? why?
[19:58] <tsimonq2> aaaaargh
[19:59]  * acheronuk is bemused
[19:59] <tsimonq2> ^
[19:59] <clivejo> after all that to get gtwebengine and its not needed?!?
[20:00] <tsimonq2> clivejo: is 16.08 released yet?
[20:00] <clivejo> might be on depot
[20:01] <tsimonq2> :/
[20:01] <tsimonq2> ffs
 clivejo: it is gone
 split into pieces
[20:03] <soee> santa_: o/
[20:03] <soee> it was your email on ML ? :>
[20:03] <santa_> hi, yes
[20:03] <soee> ah cool to have you here :)
[20:04] <acheronuk> so...
[20:04] <acheronuk> * akonadi-contacts
[20:04] <acheronuk> * akonadi-mime
[20:04] <acheronuk> * akonadi-notes
[20:04]  * santa_ was fixing his kmail setup, hence his entering and leaving in the channel in past few minutes
[20:06] <acheronuk> clivejo: looks like the akonadi-contacts component needs QtWebEngine
[20:06] <clivejo> ah
[20:07] <clivejo> so we need to split out the different components
[20:07] <acheronuk> seems that way
[20:08] <acheronuk> there's a new git repo for each
[20:15] <clivejo> acheronuk: you wanna start on https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/akonadi-contacts
[20:17] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: can I help? :D
[20:20] <acheronuk> clivejo: oddly, I don't think I've ever really started from scratch on something like that. would be a good learning exercise
 that's why I want in :P
[20:24] <acheronuk> you are now defunct :P ^^^^^
[20:25] <acheronuk> now you get something like this, you think "where the *** do I start!"
[20:25] <valorie> since I hears about all the pending merges, I just ran listadmin and sent them all to the list
[20:33] <clivejo> LOL
[20:33] <clivejo> useful
 /me cringes
[20:37] <acheronuk> pmsl
[20:38]  * acheronuk gets out an axe to neatly chop kdepimlibs into 3 pieces
[20:38] <acheronuk> there we go, job done :)
[20:42] <clivejo> pushed the bits to git?
[20:45] <acheronuk> er, no
[20:45] <clivejo> why not?
[20:46] <acheronuk> because I'm not sure where to start
[20:48] <yofel> just start with one until you notice that you actually require something else
[20:48] <clivejo> acheronuk: copy the package info from kdepimlibs
[20:49] <clivejo> but dont add the entire build depends, check to see if that package actually needs them first
[20:51] <acheronuk> so start with kubuntu_unstable
[20:51]  * tsimonq2 calls dibs on akonadi-contacts
[20:59] <acheronuk> clivejo: let me play with this. I will yell tomorrow PM if I completely stuck
[21:07] <yofel> santa_: work2 merged, thanks!
[21:08] <santa_> yofel: excellent! I wil come up with more improvements as soon as I have some time
[21:37] <ahoneybun> I guess I see what sick_rimmit was pinging me about
[21:38] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: are you doing one of these 3 akonadi-* ?
[21:38] <ahoneybun> I removed the Activities as no one had anything to add to it
[21:38] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: -contacts
[21:39] <acheronuk> oh, why have I been bothering then. lol
[21:39] <clivejo> I asked him to find the build deps
[21:40] <acheronuk> oh, right. well I'm doing that as well at the moment
[21:40] <acheronuk> or was
[21:40] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I need help lol
[21:41] <acheronuk> you think I don't? ;)
[21:45] <acheronuk> clivejo: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/akonadi-contacts/commit/?id=ed153259a5850d6077b2f683ca79da5dcb8dda60
[21:45] <acheronuk> I am fairly pleased that is more or less what I did ^^^^
[21:45] <acheronuk> although it is fairly 'captain obvious'
[21:46] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: are you finding the deps?
[21:46] <tsimonq2> no :(
[21:46] <acheronuk> you have it building?
[21:46] <tsimonq2> nuh uh
[21:47] <tsimonq2> working on it
[21:47] <tsimonq2> I *just* pulled that commit
[21:47] <acheronuk> or at least running cmake to get the deps?
[21:48] <acheronuk> that should do it, as it's more or less what I had
[21:49] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: ping ping ping
[21:51]  * yofel wonders where that jenkins job comes from
[21:51] <yofel> clivejo: did you create that?
[21:51] <tsimonq2> yofel: we're working on it, yes
[21:52] <yofel> yes, but the tooling doesn't know about it, so where is the job from?
[21:52] <tsimonq2> yofel: it was either Clive or Rik
[21:52] <clivejo> yes I made it
[21:52] <clivejo> I thought you were having the night off :P
[21:52] <yofel> if you do that, please remember to add it to the kci.yaml
[21:53] <yofel> I added the 3 for now
[21:54] <acheronuk>  Could not find a configuration file for package "KF5AkonadiMime" that is
[21:54] <acheronuk>   compatible with requested version "5.3.40".
[21:54] <acheronuk>   The following configuration files were considered but not accepted:
[21:54] <acheronuk>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/KF5AkonadiMime/KF5AkonadiMimeConfig.cmake, version: 5.2.40
[21:54] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I have changes https://git.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-akonadi-contacts
[21:54] <tsimonq2> please pull from that if you can
[21:55] <acheronuk> so that needs building first?
[21:55] <yofel> clivejo: well, I'll be off in a bit, reading a ruby tutorial in the meanwhile ^^
[21:55] <tsimonq2> yofel: lol
[21:55] <clivejo> Ive two of them in git now
[21:55] <clivejo> with an unstable branch
[21:55] <clivejo> can you run the update script?
[21:56] <yofel> yes
[21:58] <clivejo> acheronuk: akonadi-mime is another new package
[21:58] <clivejo> probably need to work on that and get it working
[21:59] <acheronuk> clivejo: yes, I know. needs that 1st, as cmake stops there for now
[21:59] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: gosh darnit, push your changes!
[21:59] <jimarvan> hello guys
[21:59] <tsimonq2> you are farther than me
[21:59] <tsimonq2> o/ jimarvan
[21:59] <jimarvan> how are you?
[21:59] <jimarvan> been so busy here (again...)
[21:59] <tsimonq2> great jimarvan, you? :)
[22:00] <clivejo> Ive skeleton packaging started here - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/akonadi-mime
[22:00] <jimarvan> :)
[22:00] <jimarvan> i went to KDE group on facebook
[22:00] <jimarvan> and the discussion went to amarok
[22:01] <jimarvan> and the group manager went nuts and aggressive that it is unprofessional and stupid to ship amarok when it is not maintained and stuff
[22:01] <jimarvan> I told him to calm down and he went on...
[22:01] <jimarvan> why the fuck so agressive against Kubuntu?
[22:01] <jimarvan> am I missing something? Is there a problem with KDE devs?
[22:01] <clivejo> people like being mad about something
[22:01] <yofel> !language
[22:01] <yofel> please
[22:02] <jimarvan> sorry why the HELLO
[22:02] <jimarvan> *hello
[22:02] <jimarvan> hell
[22:02] <jimarvan> lol...
[22:02]  * clivejo covers Simons ears
[22:02] <jimarvan> sorry yofel
[22:02] <jimarvan> xD
[22:02] <yofel> jimarvan: np, just be aware of our channel policies ;)
[22:02] <jimarvan> I just said tht I would like amarok to be revived
[22:02] <jimarvan> and he said why not use casada a QT alternative instead
[22:03] <jimarvan> and asked if this is a KDE app
[22:03] <jimarvan> and he went nuts
[22:03]  * tsimonq2 kicks clivejo
[22:03] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I'm fine :P
[22:05] <valorie> jimarvan: please give me a link to the FB group?
[22:05] <jimarvan> *cantata
[22:05] <jimarvan> was the software he proposed
[22:05] <valorie> that sort of behavior is against the KDE CoC
[22:05] <jimarvan> sure
[22:05] <jimarvan> https://www.facebook.com/groups/KDEDesktopEnvironment/
[22:05] <jimarvan> and the conversation was here
[22:06] <jimarvan> I can allow you join in
[22:06] <yofel> clivejo: jenkins updated. -notes is still missing though
[22:06] <jimarvan> sind I am manager of the group
[22:06] <clivejo> yofel: working on it
[22:06] <jimarvan> valorie: approved
[22:07] <jimarvan> https://www.facebook.com/groups/KDEDesktopEnvironment/permalink/844909925609296/
[22:07] <jimarvan> here
[22:07] <valorie> danke schon
[22:07] <jimarvan> bitte schon
[22:07] <jimarvan> xD
[22:07] <jimarvan> clive
[22:07] <jimarvan> how are you?
[22:07] <jimarvan> long time we talked :)
[22:09] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: argh why aren't you grabbing anything from my Git branch? :(
[22:09] <ahoneybun> I don't really see him being super agressive but I can see it being against a CoC a bit jimarvan
[22:09] <clivejo> Im fine, just pulling packages apart and wacking them back together with sellotape
[22:10] <jimarvan> ah ok :D
[22:10] <jimarvan> ye i know guys
[22:10] <ahoneybun> he seems to the owner since he pinned a post
[22:10] <ahoneybun> or not
[22:10] <jimarvan> I just felt a bit "defending" myself for something I shouldn't?
[22:10] <jimarvan> yes he is the owner
[22:10] <valorie> casada is not a KDE application
[22:10] <jimarvan> exactly
[22:11] <jimarvan> that is what I tried to tell him...
[22:11] <valorie> if they want to be, they should start the incubation process
[22:11] <jimarvan> and he went nuts about it, been unprofessional and "stupid" (in the pm)
[22:11] <valorie> perhaps they don't know that they can
[22:11] <valorie> :(
[22:11] <ahoneybun> I can see where he is coming from but being angry gets us nowhere
[22:11] <jimarvan> i felt really horrible
[22:11] <valorie> I agree
[22:11] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: I was sort of busy doing my own thing :P
[22:11] <ahoneybun> oh PM?
[22:11] <jimarvan> ye :S
[22:11] <ahoneybun> that part I did not see
[22:11] <ahoneybun> I just saw the comments
[22:11] <jimarvan> I was telling him, I only want to help
[22:11] <valorie> personally, I hope that us providing the Amarok beta will help move it off the dime
[22:12] <jimarvan> ye valorie me too
[22:12] <jimarvan> I am with you on this one
[22:12] <jimarvan> VLC is not bad software
[22:12] <jimarvan> and he told me since you ship firefox and libre office anyway
[22:12] <jimarvan> why not VLC
[22:12] <jimarvan> did not know what to answer there...
[22:13] <ahoneybun> well if it helps we have talked about shipping Calligra
[22:13] <jimarvan> told him that!
[22:13] <ahoneybun> XD I merged ricks change and then revert it lol
[22:14] <jimarvan> :D
[22:14]  * ahoneybun is on the Kubuntu Manual
[22:14] <jimarvan> gonna take a shower, just returned from kick-boxing
[22:14] <ahoneybun> I don't like how he moved the packaging manual he is working on
[22:14] <yofel> clivejo: I'm off to bed, -notes will get updated tomorrow once I'm up. nini
[22:14] <jimarvan> yofel: gn!!!
[22:14] <ahoneybun> night yofel
[22:15] <tsimonq2> acheronuk, clivejo: please pull my changes: https://git.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-akonadi-contacts
[22:16] <acheronuk> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/276234274/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.akonadi-contacts_4%3A16.04.3+p16.10+git20160801.2207-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:16] <acheronuk> ok. that is at the stage I got to ^^^
[22:17] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: if you pull my changes I'll help you ;)
[22:17] <clivejo> yofel: just pushed them
[22:20] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: I have enough trouble sorting my own ;)
[22:20] <acheronuk> gimme a sec
[22:24] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: done I hope
[22:26] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: \o.
[22:26] <tsimonq2> *\o/
[22:28] <jimarvan> :D
[22:30] <tsimonq2> alright, let's get this stuff packaged! :D
[22:31] <jimarvan> see ya after shower, brb ;)
[22:35] <clivejo> weird ruby errors going on
[22:51] <tsimonq2> clivejo, acheronuk: I got akonadi-notes building: https://git.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-akonadi-notes
[22:54] <ahoneybun> alright so the manual has branches
[22:54] <ahoneybun> 16.10 and 16.04 LTS
[22:54] <ahoneybun> well kubuntu-16.10 and kubuntu-16.04-LTS
[22:54] <ahoneybun> valorie: ^
[22:57] <jimarvan> good night everyone!
[22:57] <jimarvan> going to rest my burned body from yesterday! xD
[22:57] <tsimonq2> o/ jimarvan
[22:57] <jimarvan> thanks for all the hard work you are doing :)
[22:58] <tsimonq2> :)
[22:59] <clivejo> tsimonq2: regarding the watch file
[22:59] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: I think the package version stays at the last stable release 16.04.3?
[22:59] <clivejo> (un)?stable means stable or unstable
[23:00] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: there is no binary for that afair
[23:00] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-akonadi-notes/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=680ff2ce2a9dd14ef5d1f80a9d7194cd24982528
[23:00] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: it's a newer binart
[23:00] <tsimonq2> *binary
[23:01] <tsimonq2> clivejo, acheronuk: the reason why I did what I did in that commit is because there is not akonadi-notes binary in 16.04.3
[23:01] <tsimonq2> *no
[23:01] <clivejo> because its not stable yet
[23:02] <tsimonq2> correct
[23:02] <acheronuk> true
[23:03] <clivejo> the watch file can be used for unstable and stable versions
[23:03] <tsimonq2> yes, but in this case, correct me if what I did was wrong, but shouldn't it stay at unstable for now?
[23:04] <clivejo> you are correct regarding the version
[23:04] <clivejo> but the watch file should have both in it
[23:04] <tsimonq2> alright, I'll push a correction now
[23:05] <clivejo> uscan uses it to find the version you tell it to look for in the changelog
[23:06] <tsimonq2> clivejo: done
[23:07] <tsimonq2> I'll be around for another 5 mins, then I'm going to bed, been up for 21 hours
[23:07] <tsimonq2> thanks everyone and night! :)
[23:08] <acheronuk> ok night :)
[23:12] <acheronuk> hmmmm
[23:12] <acheronuk> [23:12] <acheronuk> -./usr/bin/akonadi_benchmarker
[23:12] <acheronuk> -./usr/share/config.kcfg/specialmailcollections.kcfg
[23:12] <acheronuk> -./usr/share/mime/packages/x-vnd.kde.contactgroup.xml
[23:19] <clivejo> acheronuk: what that for?
[23:20] <acheronuk> akonadi-mime
[23:22] <clivejo> specialmailcollections.kcfg used to be in kdepimlibs-data
[23:23] <clivejo> same with x-vnd.kde.contactgroup.xml
[23:25] <clivejo> anything in the readme?
[23:25] <acheronuk> akonadi_benchmarker is from the autotests
[23:26] <clivejo> -- Installing: /«PKGBUILDDIR»/debian/tmp/usr/bin/akonadi_benchmarker
[23:26] <clivejo> -- Set runtime path of "/«PKGBUILDDIR»/debian/tmp/usr/bin/akonadi_benchmarker" to ""
[23:26] <clivejo> from the buildlog of kdepimlibs
[23:26] <clivejo> maybe put it in .not-installed
[23:27] <acheronuk> no readme?
[23:28] <acheronuk> oh, yes https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdepimlibs/tree/debian/not-installed?h=kubuntu_unstable
[23:29] <clivejo> Id put the other two in the lib
[23:29] <clivejo> in libkf5akonadimime5.install
[23:29] <acheronuk> yes
[23:29] <clivejo> they dont look like dev files
[23:30] <clivejo> and in kdepimlibs all the libs depended on that -data package
[23:30] <acheronuk> spit out like this a data file is silly as well
[23:30] <acheronuk> *split
[23:30] <clivejo> for two files not worth it
[23:31] <acheronuk> indeed
[23:35] <clivejo> eakk
[23:35] <clivejo> 3.1Gb used of 2.0Gb
[23:36] <acheronuk> what is that?
[23:36] <clivejo> my PPA
[23:36] <clivejo> with qtwebengine
[23:36] <clivejo> its just published for Xenial
[23:36] <clivejo> copying now
[23:40] <acheronuk> I shall come back to this in the morning I think.
[23:40] <clivejo> do you think thats mime sorted?
[23:41] <acheronuk> hopefully enough to get other things built.
[23:41] <jbicha> clivejo: you can ask for your ppa to get more space at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/
[23:42] <clivejo> jbicha: once qtwebengine is copied Ill delete it
[23:42] <jbicha> sure, but if you think you'll run into the problem again, it might be worth asking
[23:42] <clivejo> wow that published fast
[23:43] <clivejo> acheronuk: qtwebengine for xx is in unstable now
[23:43] <jbicha> I recently built all of poppler's rdepends in my PPA...it took a lot of space when it finished!
[23:44] <jbicha> clivejo: would you be interested in cherry picking https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-kde/plasma/breeze-gtk.git/commit/?id=be22019
[23:44] <acheronuk> clivejo: LP consistent as usual!
[23:44] <jbicha> the breeze-gtk theme either supports GTK 3.18 or 3.20 but we're going to need the 3.20 version now
[23:45] <clivejo> jbicha: were does it need to go?
[23:45] <jbicha> bug 1593048 already has block-proposed set so if you push to yakkety, it'll wait until GTK 3.20 migrates from yakkety-proposed
[23:46] <clivejo> I can only push to LP git
[23:46] <jbicha> please ensure that it does not go to the xenial ppas :)
[23:46] <clivejo> I cant upload
[23:46] <jbicha> ok I'm an MOTU so I'll upload it for you
[23:47] <jbicha> see I can't push to LP git so it's a team effort :)
[23:56]  * clivejo face palms
[23:56] <clivejo> jbicha: pushed
[23:57] <clivejo> oh dear god
[23:57] <clivejo> theres a problem with ruby
[23:57] <clivejo> and in 3 minutes all hell is gonna break loose!
[23:58] <clivejo> jbicha: actually long on
[23:58] <clivejo> getting late here and made a boo boo
[23:58] <acheronuk> oh, it is THAT time
[23:59] <jbicha> 30 seconds...
[23:59] <acheronuk> akonadi-contacts for XX built, but more missing files.


[00:14] <zequence> hmm, I see I have access to change some teams now :P
[00:15] <zequence> This is as far as I got with the team structure page. Hard to condense that stuff to take smaller amount of space https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure
[02:06] <len-nb> micahg, -settings change done.
[02:07] <len-nb> zequence, Thunar is now default, Nautilus is removed, gnome-system-monitor has been replaced with xfce4-taskmanager
[02:10] <len-nb> zequence, this will show up on an update as the addition of xfce4-taskmanager. The two removed apps will be gone on the ISO, but not on an upgrade. The default will not change except for a new user.
[02:13] <micahg> len-nb: need a meta upload?
[02:14] <len-nb> That too :)
[02:14] <micahg> ok
[02:35] <micahg> len-nb: meta upload, will have to find time for -settings
[02:35] <micahg> *uploaded
[02:53] <len-nb> micahg, Thank you
[07:14] <zequence> len-nb: I'm thinking that if we ever do start doing multiple desktop metas for Ubuntu Studio, this one could be called Xubuntu Studio :P
[07:14] <zequence> Still just my brainchild, and I have not spoken with Scott about it
[07:16] <len-nb> Enough people install the metas over another DE to make it worth making the settings work as wide as possible.
[07:16] <zequence> I think that already happens
[07:17] <zequence> And those who know Linux audio don't even bother with US metas
[07:17] <zequence> Everyone has their own favorite setup
[07:17] <zequence> I think the crucial part, if we ever get our custom tools setup for workflows and everything, is that it'll work on any desktop system
[07:19] <len-nb> Anyway, I'm off to bed. C Ya
[07:20] <zequence> len-nb: GN
[08:49] <ttoine> hi guys
[08:50] <ttoine> I just discovered that Stephane Letz, one of the most contributive to jackdmp is working at the Grame, an institution in my area
[08:50] <ttoine> so
[08:50] <ttoine> I will try to make an interview
[08:50] <ttoine> would you have some questions ?
[08:52] <falktx> isn't he leaving?
[08:52] <falktx> I got that impression at least...
[09:01] <ttoine> http://lite.framapad.org/p/5n3kYagDQA
[09:01] <ttoine> falktx, perhaps, but he is still an important audio scientist in France
[09:01] <ttoine> maybe he can give us some impressions, and some interesting clues about the perfect setup
[09:01] <ttoine> zequence, http://lite.framapad.org/p/5n3kYagDQA
[09:02] <falktx> ttoine: note that his latest work has not been for linux, but for Windows and Mac
[09:03] <ttoine> the Grame is mainly working on Mac
[09:03] <ttoine> I know one of the sound tech working on some projects there
[09:03] <ttoine> they have intensive use of maxmsp
[09:04] <ttoine> anyway, the link to the question pad is on the misc blueprint whiteboard
[09:05] <ttoine> falktx, don't hesitate to add some questions, I would be happy to translate them
[09:05] <falktx> when is jack3 coming? ;)
[09:05] <falktx> I have questions, but they are all too technical...
[09:11] <ttoine> falktx, please, write your questions on the pad, even if it is technical
[09:11] <ttoine> I will do my best to get answers
[09:11] <ttoine> just follow the link and the howto
[09:11] <ttoine> it is very simple
[09:12] <ttoine> well, I need to go
[09:16] <zequence> Ah, I missed that
[09:16] <zequence> Great idea for an interview
[10:26] <zequence> Just got a surge warning from wiki.ubuntu.com. Telling me to slow down, or I might get locked out for a while
[10:26] <zequence> Apparently, there's a limit to how fast you are allowed to work on the wiki
[10:59] <astraljava> Unsurprising, considering how slow the wiki has been throughout its history. :)
[11:03] <zequence> I was working on multiple pages at once, open in different tabs. Started saving them one after the other. That didn't sit well with the wiki engine
[11:05] <astraljava> Heheh. Probably took that as DOS attack. :)
[11:23] <zequence> Things are really getting pretty organized now. Each team has their own wiki page. Some teams have blueprints, and are subscribed to them.
[11:23] <zequence> Waiting for Scott to come online so I can discuss changing a few more things.
[11:24] <zequence> I updated the team structure page again today https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure
[11:24] <zequence> Soon all that is missing is team members
[11:25] <zequence> ..well, a bunch of docs too before that
[13:57] <scott-work> good morning everyone :)
[13:58] <zequence> scott-work: Hi manm
[13:58] <zequence> man*
[13:58] <zequence> I've been busy all day writing wiki pages
[13:58] <zequence> scott-work: Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure
[13:59] <scott-work> wow! that's looking really good. you have a much better eye for presentation that i do :)
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Hello:)
[14:00] <scott-work> good job, zequence
[14:00] <scott-work> morning smartboyhw
[14:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, you do really know how to plan things:)
[14:03] <zequence> Thanks. There's still plenty to do, but I'm finding the format falling into place now
[14:04] <zequence> scott-work: I started subscribing teams to their correct blueprints. Started linking it all up, so to speak
[14:04]  * smartboyhw got at least 3 subscribing emails today
[14:04] <zequence> scott-work: I'd like to remove the mail list for ~ubuntustudio-testers, and have them not subscribe to bugs anymore.
[14:05]  * smartboyhw agrees
[14:05] <zequence> scott-work: I have the ~ubuntustudio-bugs team for that. I'm thinking it doesn't need to be a workitem/blueprint based theme, but just a nice way to subscribe to Ubuntu Studio related bugs. YOu become a member, you get bug reports.
[14:05] <zequence> not theme. team
[14:06] <scott-work> zequence: i agree with moving that over
[14:06] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:07] <zequence> scott-work: Also, I think we should create a core team, which has power of adjusting teams. The -dev team I think should only be used for getting privelege to branches
[14:07] <zequence> So, the core team would own or manage all the other teams. The -dev team would only have priveleges inside itself
[14:11] <zequence> I went ahead and created a documentation team today. We still need to create "contributors team" and "PR/Support" team. I also think we should create a "Art" launchpad team which would own branches for art stuff
[14:11] <smartboyhw> zequence, will there be too many teams?
[14:12] <zequence> smartboyhw: No
[14:12] <smartboyhw> zequence, eh?
[14:12] <zequence> We should use the launchpad teams functionality more. Each team will have privileges, or be subscribed to relevant material
[14:13] <zequence> Each team is a sort of portal to that specific area of responsibilies
[14:14] <zequence> Subscribing teams to blueprints is actually a very good method for making sure team members are made aware of what's going on
[14:15] <zequence> Some teams don't have blueprints though. It all depends on what the team is doing
[14:15] <zequence> The nightly team does seem like a strange team to me. That could just as well be the -dev team. All it does is has a PPA
[14:22] <zequence> smartboyhw: The idea is we get more people involved. Each team needs to be able to operate independently as much as possible. If we don't have a good structure in place, with clear communications, it's hard to get that working
[14:24] <zequence> As soon as all of this structuring and doc writing is at a stage when someone could more or less jump in and start working - getting info, news and docs easily for what they want to work on, we could start announcing for participants on our different channels
[14:24] <zequence> With all these billions of people in the world, surely there must be a few wanting to participate
[14:25] <smartboyhw> zequence, I think that the -nightly team should get killed. The PPA isn't used anymore anyway
[14:26] <zequence> smartboyhw: It's being used, but not for us
[14:26] <smartboyhw> zequence, the old days:P
[14:27] <zequence> Last build attempt was 4 weeks ago
[14:27] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh?
[14:27]  * smartboyhw goes to see why:P
[14:27] <smartboyhw> And failed
[14:27] <zequence> But, I agree. I don't see a point in having that team. Those builds could be done on any PPA
[14:31]  * smartboyhw agrees
[14:39] <astraljava> I think I removed something that had been failing for the past couple of years or so. I'm fairly sure rexbron was the sole users who had set up anything there. He said he had no use for at least that one failing build anymore. Not sure about the rest.
[14:40] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm looking to try get more testers. At least, we need to have a good quatily Beta testing period. Until then, we are a little lacking in docs.
[14:40] <zequence> ISO testing is not required that often
[14:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, I will post something soon about 12.04.2 testing
[14:40] <zequence> But, we could use more workflow testing.
[14:41] <zequence> smartboyhw: Not just for a short period, but really try to get people join our testing team, and communicate directly with us
[14:43] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm not saying you should try to get more testers right now, or anything. Just telling you in advance what my plans are, and that I plan to write docs for this to happen
[14:44] <zequence> If you have any ideas about docs and whatelse, just let me know
[14:44] <smartboyhw> good
[14:59] <zequence> Going home. bb in a couple of hours
[15:01] <smartboyhw> zequence, see ya
[15:30] <ttoine> scott-work, http://lite.framapad.org/p/5n3kYagDQA
[15:42] <scott-work> zequence: smartboyhw : we are not in control of that team, rexbron is. but i *do* want to get ubuntustudio-dev not a member of that team though
[15:43] <scott-work> ttoine: that would be exceedingly exciting to interview stephane
[15:43] <scott-work> i presume you want me to add some questions. i'll see what i can do throughout my work day
[15:45] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ok
[15:46] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i'm just saying we can't nuke (delete or terminate) this team as it isn't ours, but we can sever ties with it
[15:47] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ok
[16:22] <ttoine> scott-work, yes, the aim is that the team ad some questions
[16:22] <ttoine> I will see him next week, but the date is not fixed
[17:07] <zequence> scott-work: So, what do you think of adding a core team? It would make sense to have one team only for administering other teams
[17:45] <scott-work> zequence: i'm not sure. what sort of admin activities would they do? should we make an unofficial "core team" and have them as admin members across all teams?
[17:46] <scott-work> i don't feel strongly one way or the other, just talking outloud right now
[17:59] <zequence> scott-work: I don't think the -dev team is supposed to be admin of other teams. And members of -dev don't need access to lot's of other stuff
[17:59] <zequence> scott-work: -core would administer other teams, register blueprints, etc
[17:59] <zequence> It would function as the Ubuntu Studio launchpad admin team
[18:00] <zequence> I'm suggesting to create one, and make it owner of all other teams
[18:00] <zequence> Then add those people to the -core team that have it as their duty to administer those teams. Currently, it would be you and me
[18:04] <zequence> All of the teams should be separate what privileges are concerned. If you're a member of -dev, you don't get access to -kernel-team or -website. It would just be a cleaner way to administer rights
[19:21] <zequence> scott-work: In short, my vision of the launchpad team structure is: -core would own all official teams. No other teams would have privileges outside their own team
[19:21] <zequence> Each team, other then -core, would only have prileges related to the team
[19:22] <zequence> -core members do blueprint drafting, and administer the teams.
[20:19] <zequence> scott-work: Logging off. Will look at logs tomorrow, and continue working on the wiki.
[20:20] <scott-work> zequence: sorry, webchat died on me and then i got busy at work
[20:20] <scott-work> i'll check the logs myself and respond. have a good night :)


[05:22] <amurray> guruprasad: hey, out of interest, I am hoping to look up merge requests on LP by just the number (similar to how one can go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/NNNNN and be redirected to the bug report) - is there some similar magic URL which can be used to do this?
[11:00] <guruprasad> nomadz, do you have the SSH key, that your local git client is trying to use, added to your Launchpad account?
[11:01] <guruprasad> The keys currently added to your Launchpad account can be viewed at https://launchpad.net/%7Eeilander/+sshkeys
[11:04] <guruprasad> amurray, I don't think there is. You can file a feature request bug in the Launchpad bug tracker for this, if you want to see this implemented.
[13:15] <amurray> guruprasad: ok no worries - thanks
[22:18] <murmel> Hey, is it possible to upload debian debs to your own ppa?
[22:51] <sarnold> murmel: if the goal is to build for debian, I don't think so; the "edit ppa dependencies" box on my ppa has just ubuntu dependencies radio button, ubuntu components radio button, and a PPA dependency textbox
[22:52] <sarnold> murmel: if the goal is to build a debian package for ubuntu, that should work okay, but depending upon how different debian and ubuntu are in the dependencies your packages need, it might be a lot of work or it might work without any trouble at all
[22:54] <murmel> sarnold: thanks, I found a few guides for debian packages on launchpad, tried one but it failed (as it couldn't find the distro), which means it was possible at some point, or I am doing something wrong ;)
[22:56] <sarnold> aww
[22:57] <sarnold> yeah, I kind of expected to find some debian deps in the ppa configurator, I had a vague memory of seeing them there before. but that was years ago, and I'm no longer trusting my memories from that far back.
[22:57] <murmel> off I go finding a way to host them outside of my laptop ;) never know what happens to that device
[23:02] <sarnold> I keep hearing good things about https://build.opensuse.org/
[23:03] <sarnold> https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Debian_builds
[23:03] <murmel> sarnold: i know about that, but I heard their debian stuff is not that great
[23:03] <sarnold> aww :(
[23:04] <murmel> i mean I assume they tried it a bit, put a stamp on it with "it works" and that's it. makes sense from a suse standpoint


[06:49] <AlanBell> mcloy: hi
[06:49] <Tm_T> morning all
[06:49] <AlanBell> so just to review you said you were banned in #ubuntu, #ubuntu-server and #kubuntu
[06:49] <AlanBell> and the other day you were in #ubuntu as SpiritOf for a bit
[06:50] <AlanBell> and asked a question three times and missed someone giving you the correct answer, which is a bit unfortunate
[06:50] <AlanBell> which channel is it you want to ask a question in now?
[06:50] <mcloy> a minut
[06:51] <mcloy> 1. it is allowed to repeat after a reasonable interval. i did that. 2.i thought the ban was released. but actually it was my ip changed by my ISP. i didnt knew of. and i was there by my name "mcloy" . not hiding anything or deceiving.
[06:51] <mcloy> lastly
[06:52] <mcloy> i think its a war of charges against me. and i daily have to give explainations
[06:52] <mcloy> AlanBell i want to have a life in ubuntu. why hurdling me
[06:53] <AlanBell> repeating the question is OK, bit of a shame you missed the answer http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/06/16/%23ubuntu.html#t08:04
[06:53] <mcloy> a peaceful life
[06:53] <AlanBell> and repeated the question a couple of times after that I think
[06:53] <AlanBell> anyhow, which channel do you want to get back into now
[06:53] <mcloy> is it shamefull for a person who misses a text or answer?
[06:53] <mcloy> Mmm all three?
[06:54] <AlanBell> you have had difficulty with the concept of cross-posting questions, I have no intention of letting you ask something in three channels
[06:55] <mcloy> AlanBell and i will read the aup again. and try to keep following it. ill try to be more carefull
[06:55] <mcloy> AlanBell all three are different in scop
[06:55] <mcloy> ubuntu and kubuntu are a bit similer but as i said it wont happen
[06:55] <Tm_T> mcloy: may I ask why you claim you weren't using any other nick than mcloy?
[06:56] <mcloy> Tm_T after i talk to AlanBell? (acceptable)?
[06:56] <Tm_T> sure
[06:56] <mcloy> thx :)
[06:56] <Tm_T> although it's easier for this process to answer it now I think
[06:56]  * mcloy will surely reply
[06:57] <mcloy> AlanBell yes..
[06:57] <AlanBell> you actually missed several people giving you answers in #ubuntu and didn't acknowledge any of them
[06:58] <mcloy> AlanBell dont remember. may be one answer seemed better than the other. .    but i dont want to go in details. i understand the concepts of chatting fully. after so long time
[06:58] <mcloy> realising why i was penalised twice
[06:58] <elky> You were in fact answered all 3 times you asked in that log.
[06:59] <mcloy> AlanBell fair enough
[06:59] <mcloy> ?
[07:00] <elky> The first your responder disappeared, we can forgive that. You were subsequently responded to by llutz and slart with correct answers. at 8:04 and 8:44 respectively.
[07:01]  * mcloy will definately answer after he has finished with AlanBell
[07:02]  * mcloy will use highligting irc client next time to avoid missing replies
[07:04] <AlanBell> this is a good idea
[07:04] <mcloy> hm
[07:04] <AlanBell> I wasn't aware there were clients that didn't highlit you on your own nick, but maybe there are
[07:04] <mcloy> mirc 6.03
[07:05] <mcloy> theres an option but it seems i cant configure it
[07:05] <mcloy> any ways
[07:05] <mcloy> which channels can you put me back in AlanBell
[07:07] <AlanBell> well I am a bit surprised you don't have an opinion on which is the one that is most appropriate for the question you want to ask
[07:07] <mcloy> ubuntu and ubuntu-server ?
[07:07] <mcloy> or i have the choice for one only?
[07:09] <mcloy> AlanBell ?
[07:09] <AlanBell> I have to go out now, feel free to continue discussing with the other operators for a bit or come back later
[07:09] <mcloy> #ubuntu then.
[07:10] <mcloy> AlanBell its an appeal to council. i have been talking to ops here and i have sent you the response.
[07:10] <mcloy> AlanBell unban me in ubuntu before going. we can talk other things later.
[07:11] <Tm_T> mcloy: what prevents talking them now?
[07:11] <elky> He's already gone.
[07:11] <Tm_T> considering, talking things properly does help being unbanned
[07:12] <mcloy> Tm_T elky now answer to your questions.
[07:12] <mcloy> a minut
[07:12] <elky> I didn't ask questions. I made statements.
[07:12] <mcloy> then response to the stament
[07:12] <mcloy> a minut
[07:13] <elky> I have to go home from the office. Maybe next time.
[07:17] <mcloy> Tm_T i entered with the nick "mcloy" i didnt hide anything. despite i changed to spiritof later. thats my choice.    elki : dont remember. may be one answer seemed better than the other. . i  will use highligting irc client next time to avoid missing replies
[07:18] <Tm_T> mcloy: allright, did anyone explain to you before that ban won't be lifted before it's been discussed?
[07:18] <mcloy> yes
[07:18] <Tm_T> then why did you assume it was removed suddenly?
[07:18] <mcloy> you did. you said you will test me for several months and then think.. to unban me.
[07:19] <mcloy> that was unreasonable to me
[07:19] <mcloy> Tm_T because.  1. it is allowed to repeat after a reasonable interval. i did that. 2.i thought the ban was released. but actually it was my ip changed by my ISP. i didnt knew of. and i was there by my name "mcloy" . not hiding anything or deceiving.
[07:19] <mcloy> sory. because i thought the ban was released. but actually it was my ip changed by my ISP. i didnt knew of. and i was there by my name "mcloy" . not hiding anything or deceiving.
[07:19] <mcloy> Tm_T may i leave ?
[07:22] <Tm_T> mcloy: why did you assume the ban was released?
[07:22] <Tm_T> mcloy: if you do not desire to discuss this matter now, it's ok
[07:24] <mcloy> because i was able to join #ubuntu. thats why
[07:25] <Tm_T> mcloy: allright, for future reference, even if you're able to join some channel, if you know you are/were banned, it would be good to check if you'
[07:25] <Tm_T> re really unbanned
[07:25] <Tm_T> even better, do not try join channel which you are banned until you know you're unbanned
[07:25] <mcloy> Tm_T to be honest . i want to discus. but not pleed . and rub my nose. and honestly by you statment that you will think to unban me after watching several months has given me a bad impression
[07:26] <Tm_T> mcloy: that's my offer
[07:26] <Tm_T> and thus far, much of what I have seen has been borderlining rules or breaking them
[07:27] <mcloy> nice offer
[07:27] <mcloy> may i leave
[07:27] <Tm_T> mcloy: sure
[07:27] <Tm_T> hi fasta, how can we help?
 lulz
[15:45] <oCean> rings a bell, not sure
[15:46] <bazhang> yep
[18:35] <ikonia> hello mcloy
[18:36] <mcloy> hi
[18:36] <ikonia> how can we help today ?
[18:36] <mcloy> none at all. i got in a wrong channel :)
[18:36] <mcloy> bye
[18:36] <ikonia> bye
[18:40] <mneptok> that seems to happen quite a bit.
[18:40] <ikonia> like I believed it was the wrong channel
[18:41] <mneptok> that seems to happen quite a bit (x2).
[18:43] <mneptok> i have avoided that person, mostly. respekkt.