[01:55] <DanaG> I wonder why my framebuffer fails to resume.
[01:56] <__mikem> Its alpha software
[01:56] <h3sp4wn> Very little of it is alpha
[02:02] <PriceChild> until it reaches beta it is alpha
[02:02] <PriceChild> (beta of 1.0 )
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> PriceChild: I am talking about the software contained in the distribution
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> labelling something that was released as stable by the people who wrote it
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> alpha is just misleading
[02:05] <DanaG> woah-oh-oh, I just fixed resume!@
[02:05] <DanaG> SAVE_VBE_STATE=true
[02:05] <DanaG> POST_VIDEO=false
[02:05] <DanaG> SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true
[02:05] <PriceChild> who released it as stable?
[02:05] <PriceChild> remember gutsy is still alpha
[02:05] <DanaG> woah-oh-oh, I just fixed resume!
[02:06] <DanaG> woah-oh-oh, I just fixed resume!
[02:06] <Joanie> any tips on getting evolution (re) working? (it dumps core)
[02:06] <DanaG> SAVE_VBE_STATE=true     POST_VIDEO=false       SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true
[02:07] <DanaG> yahoo!
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> PriceChild: The software contained is more the work of other people not involved in anyway with ubuntu (Debian even does more work and they do a trivial amount compared to upstream)
[02:09] <crdlb> the packaging is alpha
[02:10] <PriceChild> gutsy is alpha...
[02:10] <crdlb> and that's enough to make a system completely unstable
[02:10] <PriceChild> don't ever think, or persuade others otherwise until the beta comes out
[02:11] <h3sp4wn> PriceChild: Don't tell me what to think I will make my own mind up thx
[02:11] <PriceChild> i'm not telling you what to think
[02:11] <PriceChild> i'm telling you what _is_
[02:11] <DanaG> People I know like to ask me this:
[02:12] <DanaG> "You're running Gutsy already?  Why?  You must be a glutton for punishment."
[02:12] <DanaG> Or things like that.
[02:13] <Joanie> Actually, all things being equal, Gutsy doesn't suck too badly in the stability department these days (not that I'd recommend others install it yet)
[02:13] <gnomefreak> hell the tool-chain has a bunch of breakage
[02:14] <Joanie> for me at this point evolution is the only thing that's hosed
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> The toolchain is not using the new gcc (or libc6)
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/grumpy-groundhog (if that is implimented then that would be alpha)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> we are using 4.1 iirc
[02:27] <gnomefreak> reason for not using 4.2 was as i recall its slower and more unstable than 4.1 we were going to use it but the devs i guess decided against it
[02:27] <gnomefreak> but thats beena  while
[02:28] <DanaG> What time zone?
[02:28] <gnomefreak> EST its 8:28
[02:28] <DanaG> aah.
[02:28] <gnomefreak> but i get up at 3-4am
[02:45] <DanaG> Wow, that dude left droppings on my screen.
[02:56] <llol> hello folks
[02:58] <llol> whats the process to reload a NIC card
[02:58] <llol> that cant be seen by the network manager
[02:58] <llol> ?
[02:58] <DanaG> unload the module, and reload the module.
[02:58] <llol> how so
[02:58] <llol> lol
[02:58] <llol> im kinda new to this kinda issue
[02:59] <llol> RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
[02:59] <llol> this is the card that can be seen in hardware info
[02:59] <llol> the light is on
[02:59] <llol> ive restarted the machine and nada
[02:59] <DanaG> Hmm, I don't see a relevant module for that network card.....
[03:00] <DanaG> I wonder if ndiswrapper works with wired ethernet.
[03:00] <llol> i had a similar card in there
[03:00] <llol> a rtl8139C
[03:00] <llol> so i got another one
[03:00] <llol> and it aint being seen at all
[03:01] <DanaG> Argh, how do you install Ubuntu on a system whose CD drive gives read errors out the wazoo?
[03:01] <llol> in the network manager that is
[03:01] <DanaG> Does ifconfig see it?
[03:01] <llol> by replacing the cd rom drive
[03:01] <llol> nope
[03:02] <DanaG> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[03:02] <DanaG> Nothing in ifconfig... there must not be a driver for it.
[03:02] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: netboot / usb flash drive - put the drive into another machine tons of ways
[03:03] <DanaG> That system doesn't boot from USB, either, I believe.
[03:04] <DanaG> I'll go with the install-from-ntldr method.
[03:04] <llol> Linux driver (driver has built-in the kernel)
[03:04] <llol> thats what the realtek site says about it
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> llol: try the other module - (8139cp and 8139too)
[03:08] <DanaG> Every time i see the name 'llol', I think you're saying 'lol' at something.
[03:08] <llol> "lspci"
[03:08] <llol> sees it
[03:08] <llol> oh sorry
[03:08] <llol> sudo modrprope 8139cp
[03:08] <llol> ?
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> Is eth0 present in - sudo ifconfig -a
[03:20] <DanaG> wow, there's a module 8139cp?  That's a bad name -- it should have 'r' or 'rtl' in front.
[03:38] <jriachi> i am a happy gutsy-trevio compiz user :)
[03:40] <RAOF> jriachi: :/.  Using Gutsy's Fusion packages will allow you to file bugs (and get them fixed), thus benefiting all of Ubuntu.
[03:43] <jriachi> RAOF: i know, but gutsy fusion failed which segfault, core dump
[03:44] <jriachi> as soon as is a little more stable, i'll change from trevio to official
[03:45] <RAOF> Works for me, right now :
[03:45] <RAOF> :)
[03:45] <jriachi> you are lucky :)
[03:46] <jriachi> *(failed with)
[03:47] <DanaG> Argh, I dislike the too-apple-ish OSD thingy.
[03:47] <jriachi> DanaG: what osd?
[03:47] <DanaG> The composited volume OSD.
[03:52] <jriachi> :S i can't resize windows via alt-button2?
[03:54] <DanaG> Aargh,
[03:54] <DanaG> I unplugged AC, and my system went into sleep.
[03:54] <RAOF> :)
[03:54] <DanaG> Immediately.
[03:54] <DanaG> With no battery warning or anything.
[03:54] <RAOF> Ba baw.  Go g-p-m!
[03:54] <DanaG> Oh, and my battery was full.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> yay, broken!
[03:56] <RAOF> You haven't yet taught g-p-m that full battery != critically low? :)
[03:56] <DanaG> Battery tab's "Dim display brightness by" disagrees with AC tab's "Set brightness to".
[03:56] <DanaG> Well, the odd thing is, it didn't say anything about it being critically low, either.
[03:56] <RAOF> DanaG: Really?
[03:56] <DanaG> By disagrees, I mean, you'd expect one to act like the other, but they don't.
[03:57] <RAOF> Actually, the set/dim by combination seems to make a bit of sense to me.
[03:57] <RAOF> But I suppose it's not obvious, if you don't actually read the text :)
[03:57] <DanaG> I set it to 25% when on battery, but I was surprised when it went to 75% brightness.
[03:57] <DanaG> That's backwards.
[03:57] <DanaG> Or the AC one should be "dim by .... 0%"
[03:58] <DanaG> Which proves how absurd it is, in a way.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> RAOF: did you ever get a sponsor for democracyplayer, btw?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> speaking of brokenness?
[03:58] <RAOF> Hobbsee: In Ubuntu?  Yeah, it's uploaded, and works for me(tm)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[03:59] <RAOF> Democracyplayer hasn't been broken (for me) since Feisty :)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:59] <RAOF> And I don't think it's broken for anyone else, based on the lack of new bug reports.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> neat!
[04:00] <RAOF> Oh, yeah :)
[04:00] <RAOF> DanaG: Actually, the AC one sets the baseline, and the battery one says how much dimmer than that baseline it should be on battery.  Maybe it could be better worded, but it seems obvious to me :)
[04:17] <DanaG> What if baseline is 75%?
[04:17] <DanaG> What would "dim by 50%" mean -- 75 - 50 or 75 * .50?
[04:18] <RAOF> Then I think that it's .75 * .5
[04:18] <DanaG> That's bad for me -- I can only use discrete steps of 12 or 13.
[04:19] <RAOF> Man, your hardware sucks.
[04:19] <RAOF> There's a g-p-m bug about that, presumably.
[04:19] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[04:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New]
[04:19] <DanaG> My report.
[04:19] <DanaG> Some laptops allow only steps of 10%.
[04:19] <RAOF> So g-p-m should just use the nearest one.
[04:20] <DanaG> The hard thing is, the kernel doesn't give any way to retrieve that data from sysfs.
[04:20] <RAOF> Oh.
[04:21] <jriachi> mmm... can i check which packages are from which repository (or at least find the trevio ones?)
[04:21] <DanaG> ARgh, why does my hard drive keep spinning up and down?  Doesn't that add wear to the drive?
[04:22] <RAOF> jriachi: apt-cache policy ?
[04:22] <RAOF> jriachi: That'll tell you which repository a particular package is from.
[04:23] <jriachi> RAOF: and the reverse, given a repository get a list of packages?
[04:23] <DanaG> Hmm, pulseaudio adds power usage by not allowing the codec to switch off, it seems.
[04:23] <RAOF> jriachi: Uuuuum. :-/
[04:23] <DanaG> Synaptic can tell you that, I think.
[04:24] <jriachi> installing synaptic
[04:25] <DanaG> Ooh, using only 22 watts.
[04:25] <DanaG> For my system, I'm rather surprised.
[04:25] <DanaG> Yonah 1.83GHz running at 1.0GHz, with 1GB DDR2-667, with 128MB GeForce Go 7600 (in 2D mode currently),
[04:25] <DanaG> and a 17" matte (and really dim) LCD at lowest brightness.
[04:26] <jriachi> DanaG: how did you got to know the watts?
[04:26] <DanaG> powertop tells me.
[04:26] <DanaG> Or gnome-power-manager's graph can tell you.
[04:28] <DanaG> Ooh, now only 22 watts.  Pulseaudio keeps popping up and powering up my sound card.
[04:28] <DanaG> Xorg : do_setitimer (it_real_fn)
[04:28] <DanaG> Looks like "it_real_fun"
[04:30] <DanaG> Wow, powertop is extremely buggy when resizing.
[04:32] <DanaG> hah: gpm: 45 minutes, 54%.
[04:32] <DanaG> ACPI: 1 hour 8 minutes, 54%.
[04:32] <DanaG> Big deeeeeference.
[04:34] <lamalex_> anyone have desktop-effects working with fglrx and xgl?
[04:34] <jriachi> DanaG: powertop tells me "no acpi power information", there should be my watts, :S?
[04:37] <RAOF> If you are on AC, then you won't get power info.
[04:41] <DanaG> Oh, here's a feature of the e1000 module: It powers down the PHY when no cable is inserted, if you pass "SmartPowerDownEnable=1
[04:42] <RAOF> Ooooh
[04:42] <DanaG> You know what'd I'd love to be able to do with Linux?
[04:43] <DanaG> When people say "You should try OS X", I'd love to be able to say this:
[04:43] <lamalex> date a model?
[04:43] <jriachi> surprise us :)
[04:43] <jriachi> model a date?
[04:43] <DanaG> "Who needs it?  I can already do everything you love about OS X in Linux."
[04:43] <lamalex> what can't you do?
[04:43] <DanaG> I don't know... I've never used OS X myself...
[04:43] <lamalex> haha :)
[04:44] <lamalex> my boss swithed from ubuntu to osx
[04:44] <DanaG> (at my own comment, not yours)
[04:44] <jriachi> DanaG: you can say about linux "it was made by steve jobs and apple, the coolest company in the whole world?"
[04:44] <lamalex> he says it's pretty much the same, osx has some extra polish, but isn't free
[04:44] <RAOF> There's a bunch of stuff
[04:45] <DanaG> Complete this survey and win a free Sudoku game!11!1!!!
[04:45] <DanaG> (me: "You mean, like.... (digs through gnome menus)... gnome-sudoku?)
[04:45] <DanaG> (oops, lost a closing ' " ')
[04:45] <jriachi> DanaG: yes, like gnome-sudoku but free :p
[04:50] <DanaG> The only thing I am really fanboyish about is HP, for no apparent reason.  However, I limit myself to saying "ooh, look at this thingy!", "Ooh, they have that cool thingy"... --- but, I don't say "They rock, and everybody else sucks!12!!!!")
[04:51] <DanaG> Is there a market for 17" notebooks with Intel graphics?  I don't know, but HP offers one.
[04:51] <DanaG> Gateway also has some cool stuff -- touchscreen+stylus tablet, 12", Core 2 Duo.
[04:52] <DanaG> Wow, the faster I type, the more power I use.
[04:53] <jriachi> DanaG: mmm... the kde systray icon, tells me the remaning battery time... but   acpi keeps telling me  "rate information unavailable." :S
[04:54] <DanaG> Hmm.
[04:55] <DanaG> try cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/*
[04:56] <jriachi> charging state:          discharging
[04:56] <jriachi> present rate:            unknown
[04:56] <jriachi> remaining capacity:      3603 mAh
[04:57] <DanaG> aah, then your BIOS just doesn't give you the info.  :(
[04:57] <lamalex> try sudo cat ...
[04:57] <lamalex> sometimes it gives more
[04:58] <jriachi> lamalex: it was under a sudo -i shell :(
[04:58] <lamalex> ahok
[04:58] <DanaG> Wow, seeing Dapper's usplash and login reminds me of how far Edgy and Feisty have come.
[04:58] <RAOF> :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:58] <jriachi> lamalex: acpi could try to figure it, anyway :S
[04:59] <Hobbsee> DanaG: that's exactdly why i cant see why people get told "run dapper, it's better"
[04:59] <DanaG> dingdingchirp
[04:59] <DanaG> (jingly chirpy login sound .... nice.)
[04:59] <lamalex> if you're setting up a webserver I would reccomend dapper
[05:00] <RAOF> I can no longer remember any of my Dapper knowledge :)
[05:00] <DanaG> Argh, why does Nautilus default to icons view?  Ugh.
[05:00] <FunnyLookinHat> DanaG, because most people prefer it?   : )
[05:00] <lamalex> indeed
[05:00] <lamalex> default to anything else would be annoying
[05:02] <jriachi> mmm... to get powertop to show C3 and C4, would a "Long battery life mode" (or sth like that) in the BIOS be useful?
[05:03] <DanaG> I guess it does come down to preference.
[05:04] <jriachi> (i think that the people who prefer list view, are usually expert enough to find out how to change it)
[05:04] <lamalex> agreed
[05:04] <DanaG> I don't believe it .... this old Celeron 700 laptop doesn't support standard ACPI stuff -- there's no /proc/acpi.
[05:05] <DanaG> Yet, an old P2 laptop DOES support it.
[05:05] <lamalex> what's the make of each
[05:05] <DanaG> One's a Dell -- P2 266 -- Inspiron 3500.
[05:06] <DanaG> The other's HP -- Pavilion N5240, also called Omnibook XE3-something.
[05:06] <DanaG> From dmesg on that laptop: bios is too old, dated 1992.
[05:06] <roe> any advice as to how to troubleshoot a compiz.real crash on start of X?
[05:07] <lamalex> check for a bios update maybe?
[05:08] <RAOF> roe: Check ~/.xsession-errors?
[05:09] <roe> yea it looks like its a bug with the current build, or at least someone filed it as a bug
[05:12] <boris55> wow, how much better can ubuntu get?
[05:12] <RAOF> Does xsession-errors have anything interesting, or is it just "core dumped"?
[05:13] <roe> RAOF, a couple of memory-warnings about "GSlice"
[05:13] <roe> this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[05:14] <RAOF> Eh, everything says that :)
[05:14] <roe> http://www.pastebin.ca/599273
[05:16] <RAOF> roe: Eh, nothing obvious
[05:17] <roe> that is why it's an alpha
[05:18] <lamalex> boris55: hopefully way better
[05:18] <lamalex> it's already great, but better is always ... better
[05:20] <boris55> should I wait till beta to try gutsy?
[05:20] <roe> gutsy is buggy. do you want to deal with bugs?
[05:21] <lamalex> ideally you should wait until final to try gutsy
[05:21] <boris55> I can deal with some bugs if the applications generally work.
[05:21] <crdlb> then wait for beta
[05:21] <crdlb> at the least
[05:22] <jriachi> boris55: imho, i find it pretty usable, some console work had to be done, but i think it is ok...
[05:22] <lamalex> you're better off using feisty, you're not really going to benefit from using gutsy
[05:22] <boris55> not sure what's there that I need.  fiesty is everything I need
[05:22] <lamalex> unless you're looking to test and squash bugs there's no real reason
[05:22] <boris55> x.org 7.3 is available in gutsy?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> i beleive so
[05:23] <Hobbsee> openoffice actually opens now though.  this is good
[05:24] <lamalex> hobbsee: you had problems with OO in feisty?
[05:24] <jriachi> but the kdesktop, device icons bug isn't solved :(
[05:24] <Hobbsee> gutsy
[05:25] <Hobbsee> ie, early may
[05:25] <lamalex> guess I misread "openoffice actually opens now though.  this is good"
[05:25] <Hobbsee> well, it didnt before in gutsy
[05:25] <lamalex> ah ok
[05:26] <lamalex> it opens very quickly for me (at least comparitively
[05:26] <lamalex> )
[05:26] <lamalex> quicker than it did in any preivew release
[05:26] <lamalex> s/preivew/previous
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hrm.  where are the popcon results?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> i want to see how many people actually install libxine1-console
[05:31] <jriachi> (it would be great to be able to upload videos to the BTS)
[05:34] <jriachi> (but then... they maybe would appear on youtube to ridicule ubuntu :S)
[05:40] <lamalex> gnash works now!
[05:40] <lamalex> sick
[05:40] <jimmygoon> What's this I hear about no xorg.conf in the next X?
[05:42] <lamalex> xorg 7.3 is supposed to be 'bulletproof' and figure out everything itself
[05:42] <roe> ha! I'll believe that when I see it
[05:43] <jimmygoon> I'm just curious about the config files... is it moving away from that file (format) or is that a messed up notion I have
[05:43] <roe> I hope not
[05:43] <lamalex> i'm actually not looking forward to it, I hate zeroconf apps
[05:43] <RAOF> You wont need one, but you can still use one
[05:44] <RAOF> Also, 7.3 is not yet in gutsy
[05:44] <lamalex> parts of it are if I'm not mistaken
[05:44] <lamalex> not the whole thing, but some yes?
[05:45] <roe> does this miracle xorg include twinview support?
[05:45] <roe> or whatever trainwreck fglrx is using these days?
[05:45] <lamalex> heh
[05:46] <RAOF> roe: For free drivers? Yes.
[05:46] <roe> nv supports twinview?
[05:47] <RAOF> Xorg obviously cant do anything about non-free drivers
[05:47] <roe> I guess not
[05:48] <RAOF> nouveau supports XRandR 1.2, and so supports twinview
[05:48] <jimmygoon> do the unstable updates ever break things like grub that would REALLY make a system unusable (temporarily)
[05:48] <Hobbsee> jimmygoon: sure.  kernel doenst boot.
[05:49] <RAOF> jimmygoon: Yes.  Don't assume that an update won't destroy your data
[05:49] <jimmygoon> er, like even on another partition, heh...
[05:50] <RAOF> Yes, although it's unlikely to
[05:50] <jimmygoon> o_0 well, its a good thing I only run my unstables in a VM, at least until the later betas
[05:51] <jimmygoon> but I'm not too afraid of dependency problems, and I backup regularly so :P
[05:51] <lamalex> idk why, just never got around to it
[05:52] <Hobbsee> i do when i'm about to format the partition
[05:52] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i'm only running gutsy, and a copy of XP here.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> + a VM, sometimes
[05:52] <jriachi> (anyone bored and willing to replicate this kubuntu gutsy error?: http://nethen.org/misc/ubuntu/bug-deviceicon.ogm.avi )
[05:53] <RAOF> Nouveau kinda works in Sid :)
[06:01] <xtknight> is there a list of major features that have been implemented thus far?  trying to evaluate if i should give gutsy a test run
[06:06] <jimmygoon> btw, woot+1 for rhythmbox+mtp support
[06:07] <Hobbsee> xtknight: yes, on the release announcements
[06:07] <Hobbsee> see the ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list
[06:10] <xtknight> ah awesome
[06:14] <tonyyarusso> mtp?
[06:21] <DanaG> Argh, I put my iAudio6 in MTP mode, yet usb-storage still grabs it.
[06:26] <DanaG> ooh: http://lwn.net/Articles/143397/
[06:26] <DanaG> I wish Gnome's eject would do that.
[06:28] <DanaG> Odd... I don't get why my MTP device doesn't show up as an MTP device.
[06:30] <roe> I am using the nvidia module but I don't have 3d acceleration. glxgears pegs my cpu
[06:35] <DanaG> glxinfo | grep rend
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[06:44] (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) odd redundancy: ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/*mt*
[06:44] (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4753 2007-07-01 21:36 /etc/udev/rules.d/65-libmtp.rules
[06:44] (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   15 2007-05-31 08:32 /etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp.rules -> ../libmtp.rules
[06:44] <roe> can someone give me a hand, whenever I open up an mpeg4 it brings my computer to a halt, I have tried both xine and mplayer.  glxgears pegs the cpu but glxinfo show direct rendering = yes
[06:49] <DanaG> I believe glxgears is supposed to eat CPU.
[06:49] <roe> I didn't think it was supposed to with 3d enabled
[06:52] <DanaG> same issue as my mtp thingy:
[06:52] <DanaG> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=522369
[06:57] <DanaG> wtf?  I edit /etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp-rules,
[06:57] <DanaG> and yet mtp-hotplug ignores my changes.
[06:57] <DanaG> It seems to have the list hardcoded.
[07:02] <DanaG> I don't get it.
[08:11] <DanaG> aRGH, now I'm working with two laptops:
[08:12] <DanaG> One with fn-ctrl-super-alt,
[08:12] <DanaG> the other with ctrl-fn-super-alt
[08:12] <DanaG> Moving back and forth between the two... painful.
[08:15] <RAOF> :/
[08:16] <DanaG> I don't have any specific preference, but using both side by side is just torturous.
[08:17] <DanaG> I wonder if you can do anything useful with an S3 Savage IX
[12:41] <linux_user400354> where can i find the default wallpapers from breezy? ive searched at packages.ubuntu.com and didnt find it.
[12:42] <Hobbsee> linux_user400354: please see the topic, and dont repeat your question in multiple channels
[12:44] <sn-> wondered what this channel was for
[12:44] <Hobbsee> sn-: gutsy
[12:44] <sn-> <-iso tester :)
[12:44] <sn-> so would make sense to sit in here
[12:44] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:44] <Hobbsee> welcome
[12:44] <sn-> tyvm
[01:08] <Yodude> hello, any gutsy talk ?
[01:08] <sn-> yes Yodude
[01:09] <Yodude> hehe i just wanted to say this seems to be a gret release
[01:09] <Yodude> new gimp, new rythmbox
[01:09] <Yodude> new effects
[01:09] <Yodude> good work guys
[01:09] <sn-> new gnome, new firefox alpha, no compiz-effects :) lots to go in
[01:10] <Yodude> but i have a question
[01:10] <Yodude> will hibernate/suspend finally get some fix ?
[01:10] <Yodude> cuz it really works like hell
[01:10] <Yodude> total showstopper
[01:11] <sn-> well Yodude without knowing more its hard to say about your particular problem, suspend/hiberation/suspend to ram works for many people (me included) but it tends to vary depending on the notebook/chipset
[01:11] <Yodude> i heard the kernel devs are aiming for it
[01:11] <Yodude> but the question is when
[01:12] <Yodude> cuz it's basic functionality
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Yodude: not all the machines are the same.
[01:12] <sn-> if it is perhaps a problem for you then it would maybe be useful to submit a bug report or at the very least check for one outstanding
[01:12] <sn-> and try to work through it
[01:12] <Yodude> i'd be glad to
[01:12] <Yodude> anything to help the devs
[01:13] <Yodude> i already submitted my hardware stats to the UHD
[01:13] <sn-> ok well lets start with some info gathering :)
[01:13] <sn-> so i will let you elaborate on your problem
[01:14] <Yodude> hey i gtg eat
[01:14] <Yodude> i'll be back though
[01:14] <Yodude> i'll keep a note of your name on tomboy to ttyl
[01:14] <Yodude> but just to start
[01:14] <Yodude> i'm on intel + nvidia geforce FX 5200
[01:15] <sn-> im sure anyone will be happy to help, just not me
[01:15] <sn-> ah too late
[01:28] <sn-> so anyone tried today's daily image ?:)
[01:29] <Yodude> sn-: you still here ?
[01:29] <sn-> yep
[01:30] <Yodude> so
[01:30] <Yodude> you wanted to take note of my PC specs yea ?
[01:30] <Yodude> to fix tht hibernate/suspend problem
[01:30] <sn-> sure, lets start with your system, its a notebook ?
[01:31] <sn-> it would be useful to run lspci and pastebin the output
[01:31] <Yodude> desktop
[01:31] <Yodude> one sec for lspci
[01:31] <sn-> ok and are you using nvidia-glx or the xorg free driver 'nv' ?
[01:32] <Yodude> nvidno the nvidida restricted driver
[01:32] <Yodude> btw can you give me the pastebin URL ?
[01:33] <sn-> sure, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ http://paste.debian.net
[01:34] <Yodude> P.S: i just saw some pic of compiz fusion i just wanna say WOW
[01:34] <Yodude> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28207/
[01:34] <Yodude> here's the lspci
[01:35] <sn-> alrighty, so you are using the non-free "nvidia" driver for your graphics, as a test i would maybe try using the 'nv' driver in your xorg.conf , restart X then try suspend/hibernate
[01:35] <sn-> to rule out the graphics at play, but you haven't mentioned what happens yet when you do try suspend/hibernate
[01:36] <Yodude> well i get these text messages
[01:36] <Yodude> one is "could not activate device 00:00
[01:37] <Yodude> and when it boot it up again i get a black screen
[01:38] <sn-> sounds like possibly graphics at play to me at least :)
[01:38] <Yodude> yeah me too
[01:39] <Yodude> i bet if nvidia would finally get the guts to friggin get out open source drivers nobody would have these problems
[01:39] <sn-> but try what i suggested, if you need a better explanation then ask away
[01:39] <Yodude> cuz i hear hibernate works fantasti8c with intel GPUs
[01:39] <sn-> i know ubuntu has plans for the nouveau project at some point, its making "some" headway it seems
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> one of 100.x.9 or 100.x.11 had quite a few suspend related fixes
[01:39] <Yodude> yeah but still needs time
[01:40] <Yodude> i'll be trying it withoiut the nvidia non-free driver
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> nv is probably just as bad
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> (nvidia maintains it anyway)
[01:41] <sn-> h3sp4wn kindly mentioned newer nvidia drives as well, so you could try 'envy' to install the nvidia.com ones also
[01:41] <sn-> hopefully one of those will show some results
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> what is envy ?
[01:41] <sn-> hmmm does envy support gutsy yet, im not actually sure
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> does it make deb's ?
[01:42] <sn-> h3sp4wn afraid not, it installs/builds the required for using nvidia.com drivers
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> yuck
[01:42] <sn-> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[01:43] <sn-> ignore that Yodude , not sure that will help on gutsy yet :)
[01:43] <crdlb> envy + gutsy == broken system
[01:44] <sn-> i haven't actuallly tried nvidia.com drivers on gutsy yet, so not sure how that will go :I
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> I suppose you could get 100.x.9 from Debian and uupdate it to 100.x.11
[01:44] <jussi01> !envy
[01:44] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[01:45] <sn-> jussi01 i believe the problem here is trying a newer version of the nvidia drivers than nvidia-glx in gutsyy provides (9631/9755)
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> I don't like the legal loophole in the GPL (with regards to runtime linking)
[01:45] <sn-> gutsy*
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> that ubuntu seems to think makes it ok to distribute the binary drivers
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> I guess they would be updated before release anyway (there is 9636 I think as well and a new 7xxx one also)
[01:47] <sn-> yea hopefully soo
[01:47] <crdlb> 9639 and 7185
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> Yeah they messed up one completely
[02:00] <Yodude> hello again
[03:19] <tiagoboldt> Hi, I've upgraded to gutsy and my cpu is now always at 50%, any ideas on how can I normalize this? My laptop is heating like a toaster :|
[03:20] <Amaranth> what is using so much CPU?
[03:20] <vega-> check what process
[03:20] <vega-> and search for bug reports, if not found, report
[03:21] <tiagoboldt> when I 'top'
[03:21] <tiagoboldt> I see 50% cpu being used
[03:21] <Amaranth> by what?
[03:21] <Pici> tiagoboldt: whats using it?
[03:21] <tiagoboldt> but only two processes using more than 1%
[03:21] <tiagoboldt> everything looks normal in the processes
[03:21] <Amaranth> take a screenshot
[03:21] <tiagoboldt> but the cpu keeps at about 50% all the time
[03:22] <tiagoboldt> sure
[03:22] <tiagoboldt> 1min
[03:22] <tiagoboldt> http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshottiagoboldtniawl2.png
[03:24] <Amaranth> tiagoboldt: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[03:24] <Amaranth> tiagoboldt: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq
[03:24] <tiagoboldt> 2000000
[03:24] <tiagoboldt> 800000
[03:25] <Amaranth> yikes
[03:25] <tiagoboldt> I also have cpu-freq applet with cpu freq scaling activated
[03:26] <Amaranth> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[03:26] <tiagoboldt> despites being 'ondemand', it not going to the supposed 800mhz..
[03:26] <tiagoboldt> ondemand
[03:26] <Amaranth> try changing it to powersave
[03:26] <tiagoboldt> sure
[03:26] <tiagoboldt> ir goes to 800mhz
[03:26] <tiagoboldt> still
[03:27] <Amaranth> do you have dual-core?
[03:27] <tiagoboldt> top show exactly the same
[03:27] <tiagoboldt> 50% cpu, no process using it :s
[03:27] <Amaranth> do you have dual-core?
[03:27] <tiagoboldt> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz
[03:28] <tiagoboldt> centrino
[03:28] <Amaranth> i guess not
[03:28] <Amaranth> i have no idea then, i was going to say something was using one core
[03:28] <Amaranth> maxing it out
[03:28] <Amaranth> but i guess only in windows does maxing out one core count as 50%
[03:28] <Amaranth> in linux it just goes to 200%
[03:29] <Amaranth> i'm out of ideas
[03:29] <Amaranth> does it happen if you kill X?
[03:29] <tiagoboldt> laptop mode is off, I'm plugged in to ac power now
[03:29] <tiagoboldt> shoul laptop mode be on despites that?
[03:29] <Amaranth> nah, doesn't make a difference for this problem
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> if I kill X..
[03:30] <Amaranth> boot in recovery mode and see if you have the same problem
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> hum
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> no idea actually:s
[03:30] <Amaranth> if you do it's probably a kernel problem
[03:30] <vega-> tiagoboldt: also search for a bug report related, if you don't find one make a new
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> vega-, I've tried that
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> and found nothing
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> I've also thought on leaving a bug report
[03:30] <tiagoboldt> but the problem is that I don't exactly know what to report:S
[03:31] <tiagoboldt> My cpu is always at 50% without nothing using it!?
[03:31] <tiagoboldt> :S
[03:31] <vega-> yep, sounds like the kind of issue that would be an interesting bug
[03:31] <vega-> well, yes, for example :)
[03:31] <tiagoboldt> LOL
[03:31] <vega-> and provide your hardware and the info you provided above
[03:31] <vega-> perhaps also the screenshot
[03:31] <tiagoboldt> I'll get some printscreens for the most important infos
[03:32] <tiagoboldt> and open the report :D
[03:32] <vega-> i'm sure the persons related ask for more info/tests if needed
[03:32] <vega-> just to be curious, what laptop?
[03:33] <tiagoboldt> acer 1694 wlmi
[03:33] <tiagoboldt> intel centrino 2.0
[03:33] <vega-> ok, not familiar..
[03:33] <tiagoboldt> ati radeon x700 mobility
[03:33] <tiagoboldt> ipw2200
[03:33] <tiagoboldt> bluetooth
[03:33] <tiagoboldt> ..
[03:34] <tiagoboldt> I'll open the bug report
[03:35] <vega-> that's the best way to proceed i think for now
[03:37] <tiagoboldt> could it have something to do with this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/28433
[03:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 28433 in linux-source-2.6.15 "speedstep-centrino doesn't load on pentium m laptop" [Medium,Confirmed]
[03:49] <tiagoboldt> I'm I supposed to confirm my own bug report oO? :s
[03:49] <lamalex> ha
[03:49] <tiagoboldt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/123550 here he is, is there any relevant information missing?
[03:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123550 in Ubuntu "Cpu always around 50% without nothing using it" [Undecided,New]
[03:50] <lamalex> nice grammar there
[04:47] <Dana1> Gaah. somehow two instances of Pidgin opened.
[05:06] <ryanpg> all my core dumps have a size of 0, ulimit reportes "unlimited", what may be going on?
[05:07] <ryanpg> also I'm getting lots and lots of crashes with OO.O and firefox - when certain dialog windows are opened, i.e. spelling dialog, print dialog
[05:12] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rss-glx/+bug/21507
[05:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 21507 in rss-glx "Disturbing sounds in Skyrocket screensaver" [Medium,Fix released]
[05:12] <DanaG> heh
[06:15] <avr> hi guys, i've got a strange problem with gutsy on my laptop. sound (and everything else) was working just fine till yesterday when I used skype a few times (without incident) for the first time on gutsy
[06:15] <avr> and then i left the laptop (powered on) for a while, and when i get back, sound volume is _really_ low
[06:15] <crimsun> check your mixer levels.
[06:15] <avr> it's not a card/detection issue because i can hear sound/music very faintly
[06:15] <avr> oh, everything is on full
[06:16] <avr> pcm/master etc.
[06:16] <crimsun> pastebin your amixer
[06:16] <avr> okay
[06:18] <avr> here: http://paste.uni.cc/16587
[06:18] <crimsun> do you actually use your spdif?
[06:19] <crimsun> (if not, mute 'IEC958')
[06:19] <avr> crimsun: i don't know what that is, so the answer's probably 'no'
[06:19] <avr> okay
[06:20] <lamalex> ./win 2
[06:20] <avr> but i flipped lots of things on/off, so that might be why IEC958 was on
[06:20] <avr> crimsun: no difference
[06:20] <crimsun> mute 'Mix'
[06:21] <crimsun> you likely need to reinit the codec itself, which requires an unload and reload of snd-hda-intel.
[06:22] <avr> crimsun: err, mix doesnt respond to 'M' in alsamixer. it doesnt respond to any alsamixer control, actually
[06:22] <crimsun> it's a capture element
[06:22] <crimsun> just try the reinit
[06:23] <Hobbsee> crimsun!
[06:23] <crimsun> kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/mixer* /dev/audio* /dev/seq* /dev/snd/*) && rmmod snd-hda-intel && modprobe snd-hda-intel
[06:24] <avr> i modprobe -r and modprobed it yesterday after looking at lsof for dev dsp. will do it again
[06:26] <crimsun> have you done a cold power down since?
[06:26] <avr> crimsun: no difference
[06:26] <avr> yes, i have
[06:27] <avr> oh, cold reboot as in pressing the power button? no, i havent.
[06:27] <starz> hm
[06:27] <avr> might that help?
[06:27] <crimsun> no.
[06:27] <starz> out of curiosity if i have dual core running in 32 bit mode i could theoretically have 4gigs ram for each without having to go 64bit ?
[06:27] <starz> er for each core i meant
[06:27] <crimsun> starz: no.
[06:28] <starz> mm
[06:28] <starz> i'm a bit confused on it but i guess it doesnt matter as i dont have either requirement lol
[06:28] <crimsun> starz: dual core has PAE available, meaning you can access more than 4 GB
[06:29] <starz> ah
[06:29] <starz> i saw something about the bigiron kernel b/c i was bored just figured id google some stuff... lol
[06:30] <crimsun> avr: can you reproduce it in skype?
[06:30] <starz> anyway howya doin this monring?
[06:31] <avr> crimsun: you mean if i can fix it using skype?
[06:31] <crimsun> avr: no, if you can reproduce the symptom using skype.
[06:31] <avr> no, after the volume went down, it's been down all the while (after multiple rebootS)
[06:32] <crimsun> so you're implying that you _can_ reproduce the symptom using skype.
[06:32] <avr> actually, i rebooted an older (2.6.20-13) kernel, and the bug's there too
[06:32] <crimsun> it's not a bug at this point
[06:33] <avr> crimsun: no, sorry, i meant that i'm not even sure skype caused what happened; it was the only out-of-the-ordinary thing i'd been using before sound volume went down
[06:33] <starz> what makes something a bug properly then? [when u have a chance]
[06:33] <crimsun> avr: do you have a gutsy tribe 2 desktop cd handy?  If so, boot into it, and attempt to reproduce the volume issue.
[06:34] <crimsun> starz: currently I cannot rule out user misconfiguration.
[06:34] <avr> crimsun: i can't, my laptop doesnt even have a cd drive :(
[06:34] <crimsun> avr: does your laptop's NIC(s) handle PXE boot?
[06:35] <avr> crimsun: yes it does... i could do that
[06:36] <avr> some background information if it helps: 1. sound works in windows, 2. no packages installed between sound going  off/on. 3. same thing for multiple kernels (one of them the feisty stable kernel) and different version of the alsa modules
[06:37] <crimsun> might be a stale state file (again)
[06:38] <crimsun> rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[06:38] <crimsun> sync
[06:38] <crimsun> reboot
[06:38] <avr> okay, be right back :)
[06:38] <crimsun> err, that reboot is not a command
[06:38] <crimsun> that's an alt+sysrq+b
[06:39] <starz> i meant in general -
[06:39] <crimsun> starz: a lot of information is necessary;
[06:39] <crimsun> starz: it depends on the symptoms and the application(s) in question
[06:39] <starz> btw installed gutsy on other partition, and im impressed by tribe2 - for my hardware runs pretty darn good lol
[06:45] <avr> crimsun: yes, i used the hotkey
[06:45] <avr> no change
[06:47] <crimsun> avr: that's from removing the state file, correct?
[06:47] <avr> correct
[06:47] <crimsun> avr: ok, now try a tribe 2 netboot
[06:48] <avr> okay. will let you know
[06:48] <crimsun> if it's reproducible there, you need to file a bug using ALSA's bug tracker (click Bug Reporting[..]  on the ALSA home page)
[06:48] <avr> okay
[06:49] <avr> but, if it's an alsa bug, it should go away if i use an older (stabler) version of alsa, right? i've likely gone through the same sequence of programs/reboots/hibernates before, so wouldn't it have been triggered then if it's an alsa bug?
[06:55] <avr> or is low (but still audible) volume a definite alsa bug?
[06:55] <crimsun> no, it may not go away.
[06:55] <avr> what if i use feisty kernel + the version of alsa that came with it?
[06:55] <crimsun> depending whether you're referring to AC'97 or HDA, certain codec registers don't reset without an explicit twiddle.
[06:55] <avr> i see.
[06:55] <crimsun> you can try as many as you'd like as long as you use desktop cds or netboots.
[06:55] <crimsun> that basically constrains you to dapper final, edgy final, feisty final, and gutsy tribe 2
[06:55] <crimsun> (away for a bit.)
[06:55] <avr> crimsun: thanks for the help. will try out and let you know.
[08:11] <Dannilion> is there an easy way to burn .avi's to video dvd in Kubuntu Gutsy?
[08:48] <DanaG><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:49] <DanaG> hmm, added to line with "?*"
[10:27] <enyc> How are the 'new event.d entries' getting along replacing init.d scripts now?
[10:28] <enyc> Is there a 'project' to replace init scripts?  or just simply "no more init.d scripts will be accepted in packages without good reason' ?
[10:30] <pvandewyngaerde> is that 'upstart' ?
[10:31] <enyc> pvandewyngaerde: the init system usedd from Edgy6.10 onwards is 'upstart' and has 'event.d' scripts
[10:31] <enyc> pvandewyngaerde: but has backwards-compatibilty with the ""normal"" init.d scripts
[11:05] <pvandewyngaerde> can i play encrypted dvd's on gutsy ?
[11:10] <gnomefreak> pvandewyngaerde: could you play them on feisty?
[11:12] <pvandewyngaerde> never tried it
[11:13] <gnomefreak> !dcd
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dcd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <gnomefreak> !dved
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dved - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <gnomefreak> !dvd
[11:13] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:14] <jrib> hi
[11:14] <hays> Greetings
[11:15] <jrib> hays: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ to install in a vm if you want
[11:16] <hays> Can I just change my apt-sources and upgrade that way?  I already have a vm clone of my edgy box
[11:16] <jrib> yes, you can do that, but you need to upgrade to feisty first
[11:17] <hays> erg..  feisty is what I meant to say.
[11:17] <hays> sorry, all the name soup I've been dealing with lately
[11:17] <jrib> you can try the same as in debian or test out the update-manager
[11:18] <jrib> just make sure you have ubuntu-desktop installed before you dist-ugprade
[11:22] <hays> I just change sources-list to gibbon main restricted and gibbon-updates does not exist.. correct?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> gutsy not gibbon
[11:23] <hays> will that be reflected in the update manager and all the gui tools I use as well?
[11:23] <hays> or do they have a separate configuration?
[11:24] <gnomefreak> update manager has its own way to upgrade but once you are fully upgraded everything will reflect gutsy
[11:39] <Nick_Hill> I have several different types of laptops here. Would loading up Gutsy on a hard drive, deleting xorg.conf then swapping the hard drive between them, capturing lspci -v /var/log/xorg.0.log and ddcprobe, then publish the lot likely help hunt for and fix bugs?
[12:17] <Paladine> anyone got any idea where gparted places superblock backup blogs using a generic install (all options left to default)
[12:17] <Paladine> I have a major drive failure due to a broken superblock, I desperately need to rebuild it from the backup blocks
[12:17] <Paladine> s/blogs/blocks
[12:20] <hays> phew, my ubuntu upgrade is on the edge..  I only have 250 MB left on my disk.. heh
[12:23] <Paladine> so no-one knows where the backup blocks are? so I can't e2fsck -b to try and recover my research data
[01:08] <|capirra> hmmmm anyone know if gutsy will support dm-crypt in the installer like debian does ?(alternate)


[03:11] <m4v> about #ubuntu-br, for future reference, now I notice that derp00's account is predador00 and that nick is banned in u-br, so he was ban evading besides of trolling.
[18:52] <pozzi0> ok this is my story
[18:52] <pozzi0> i rly need help with ubuntu coz i need it for the university
[18:53] <pozzi0> so i came in #ubuntu-it (because im italian) i started talking with some users
[18:53] <pozzi0> everything ok
[18:53] <pozzi0> and then
[18:53] <pozzi0> i did a mistake
[18:53] <pozzi0> and i deserved a big punishment.
[18:53] <pozzi0>  i said a blasfemy (or a profanity dunno whats the english for that)
[18:53] <pozzi0> then ok. nothing happened
[18:54] <pozzi0> then 10 seconds and i was banned
[18:54] <pozzi0> probably in those 10 seconds @moderator thought that if he had banned me, i would have gone to heaven..
[18:54] <pozzi0> he would have gone
[18:54] <pozzi0> to heaven
[18:55] <pozzi0> im saying this not just to be unbanned
[18:55] <pozzi0> think about it.
[19:01] <DJones> pozzi0: If you wait around for a while, there may be an op from #ubuntu-it around that can speak to you about this
[19:30] <pozzi0> ok im waiting
[19:30] <pozzi0> but ive not lost my hopes
[19:30] <pozzi0> im sure that i will reveive justice
[19:30] <pozzi0> receive
[19:36] <DJones> pozzi0: It seems to be quiet at the moment, but no doubt somebody will be around in a while
[19:37] <pozzi0> yea no doubt
[19:37] <pozzi0> be faithful
[19:39] <nhandler> It looks like they also have an #ubuntu-it-ops channel


[02:29] <tre99> anybody here ever try linux from scratch (lfs)?
[02:30] <daftykins> nope
[02:32] <leftyfb> tre99: are you looking for a discussion or support with it?
[02:34] <daftykins> looks more like homework to be done ;D
[02:35] <tre99> leftyfb: just discussion
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:02] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: :) .
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> just had a loginloop on bionic lol
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> removed indicator-multiload and it worked from recoverymode
[03:07] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Not you ! .. I am aware that there are presently again issues with the nvidia driver .
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> but im on ati mate
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> and my gf's session worked fine
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> hence why i suspected my recently installed indicator
[03:14] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Well ! .. do not know where I got confused that you also ran nvidia .
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: im also testing on nvidia yeah, got 3 machines with bionic
[03:18] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I have yet to boot this day into bionic . Maybe I too have issues .. remains to be seen .
[04:49] <EriC^^> evening all
[04:49] <EriC^^> i mean morning
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[04:57] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[04:58] <EriC^^> what's up?
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> just fixxed a loginloop on bionic
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> removed indicator-multiload in reoverymode
[05:00] <EriC^^> nice
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: what are you doing?
[05:02] <EriC^^> oh you dont wanna know :P
[05:02] <EriC^^> j/k
[05:02] <EriC^^> not much i just woke up
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[05:26] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: what you up to today?
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse lordievader
[06:01] <lordievader> Morning
[06:10] <Bashing-om> One gold star on the status board for Bashing-om :P
[06:15] <lordievader> How so?
[06:18] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: A difficult/trying  solution deserves a gold star - so I think .
[06:18] <Bashing-om> lordievader: Ouch that one ^ .
[06:26] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[06:29] <Bashing-om> ducasse: :)
[06:30] <ducasse> hiya Bashing-om - how have you been? all going well?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | Bashing-om
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> bbl on breakfast here guys
[06:30] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - how are you?
[06:30] <Bashing-om> ducasse: goes well .. one more gold star this session :P
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> fine mate tnx
[06:31] <ducasse> Bashing-om: and you just got a cookie as well ;)
[06:33] <Bashing-om> ducasse: well i passed the cookie to TJ- . He is the one that showed me ;)
[06:34] <ducasse> how has your session been, Bashing-om - busy?
[06:36] <Bashing-om> ducasse: And interesting .. been a good session .  There is a minor market today.
[07:25] <lordievader> My supervisors started the 'Cybersecurity and cybercrime' minor this year.
[07:39] <ducasse> sounds fun, should be interesting
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> bbl work guys
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1
[10:16] <BluesKaj> Hi folks


[15:17] <zooko> Hey, does anybody want to help me diagnose a failure of the lubuntu trusty daily build installer?
[15:17] <zooko> It opens a pop-up window saying nothing but "???". :-)
[15:19] <leszek> zooko: did you tried starting it from terminal to see any helpful error message yet ?
[15:19] <zooko> leszek: how do I do that?
[15:19] <zooko> I tried running:
[15:19] <zooko> sudo /usr/bin/ubiquity-dm vt7 :0 ubuntu /usr/bin/ubiquity --only
[15:19] <zooko> but that did nothing visible.
[15:19] <leszek> running ubiquity from terminal
[15:20]  * zooko tries just "ubiquity"
[15:20] <zooko> Oh, I see. :-)
[15:20] <zooko> Haha. I'm too smart for my own good.
[15:20] <leszek> why do you want to install the displaymanager ubiquity session ? If its an error in the installer then just execute it
[15:20] <zooko> Okay, now there are no error messages on stdout or stderr from the "ubiquity" command, but I have the "??? ???" dialog box.
[15:20] <leszek> ubiquity-dm is just a displaymanager wrapper script which executes ubiquity in a minimal openbox environment as far as I know
[15:21] <xnox> leszek: ubiquity-dm runs _just ubiquity_ without loading up a full blown desktop. (the difference is huge e.g. on ubuntu/gnome flavours, much less on openbox though)
[15:22] <zooko> Okay, so is there anything else I can try to diagnose this?
[15:23] <zooko> I ran "ubiquity" from the command-line, and got the same failure: a dialog box saying "??? ???".
[15:23] <zooko> There are no new lines added to /var/log/syslog.
[15:24] <zooko> Can I turn on debugging verbose output when invoking "ubiquity" ?
[15:24] <xnox> zooko: check /var/log/installer/debug
[15:24] <zooko> Good news! There is a "--debug" flag.
[15:25] <zooko> xnox: thanks.
[15:25] <xnox> zooko: there are also other files in /var/log/installer (dm debug log and parman partitioning file)
[15:27] <zooko> Bummer: no data is written to those files!
[15:28] <zooko> Oh, no there  is something wrong with my "tail" command.
[15:28] <zooko> what the heck.
[15:28] <zooko> Why doesn't tail -F /var/log/installer/debug show me the newly added data?
[15:31] <zooko> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "overlay-scrollbar"
[15:31] <leszek> zooko: maybe it is loging to /var/log/messages
[15:31] <zooko> (ubiquity:21129): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_radio_button_set_group: assertion '!g_slist_find (group, radio_button)' failed
[15:32] <zooko> that line is then repeated a second time.
[15:32] <zooko> Is that the error?
[15:32] <zooko> Hm, there are also some scary-sounding error messages in /var/log/syslog.
[15:32] <zooko> Let's see...
[15:33] <zooko> a backtrace from ped_assert inside libparted.so.3.
[15:33] <zooko> Sounds like a likely culprit.
[15:33] <zooko> So I guess that something about my partition table causes libparted.so to assert-fail!
[15:33] <zooko> Oh, it says fat_open in that stack rtace.
[15:33] <zooko> There is no FAT fs attached.
[15:34] <zooko> Oh, yes there is, the EFI System Partition.
[15:34] <zooko> fat32
[15:34] <zooko> Okay, well I have to stop this and do other work today.
[15:34] <zooko> I would like to help get this fixed, if possible.
[15:34] <zooko> Let me know how I can help.
[15:35] <leszek> zooko: I would suggest the #ubuntu-devel channel for this as it is not lubuntu specific but a general ubuntu / ubiquity thing
[15:36] <xnox> leszek: zooko: installer bugs go to #ubuntu-installer
[15:36] <xnox> leszek: zooko: not ubuntu-devel.
[15:36] <xnox> zooko: Gtk-CRITICAL are normal gtk things it says.... you can see those pretty much from any gtk app one runs.
[15:37] <zooko> xnox: ok.
[17:16] <d_jgro> I just upgraded Lubuntu to 13.04, and the screen changed to what appears to be 16 bit graphics. Any way to revert this?
[17:52] <d_jgro> I just upgraded Lubuntu to 13.04, and the screen changed to what appears to be 16 bit graphics. Any way to revert this?
[18:03] <Unit193> d_jgro: Old intel graphics?
[18:07] <d_jgro> Unit193: yeah
[18:08] <Unit193> d_jgro: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1173649/comments/51
[18:08] <Unit193> Also, you may want to upgrade, 13.04 went EOL.
[18:09] <d_jgro> 13.04 is the latest...
[18:09] <wxl> no 13.10 is the latest d_jgro
[18:09] <wxl> and 14.04 is set to come out in one day
[18:10] <Unit193> Right, and 14.04 will be an LTS if you don't like to upgrade.
[18:10] <wxl> 13.04 is indeed EOL (read: insecure)
[18:10] <Unit193> !13.04
[18:11]  * wxl wonders
[18:11] <wxl> !13.10
[18:11] <wxl> ah it doesn't say when support ends
[18:11] <Unit193> Quantal has 4 more days, saucy 94.
[18:14] <d_jgro> Anyway, thanks for the help :-)
[20:19] <chulis> is possible to change my nick colour in xchat.gnome?
[20:28] <wxl> !lts
[20:54] <Meerkat> hm. a bit outdated. :p
[21:06] <wxl> are we still doing 3/5 years?
[21:11] <Unit193> wxl: Servers, Kubuntu, and Ubuntu get 5, rest go for 3.
[21:12] <wxl> interesting.
[21:14] <Silverlion> are you guys talking LTSs`?
[21:15] <wxl> yep
[22:01] <gQuigs> hi there. .I just wanted to confirm if lubuntu will be supported for 3 or 5 years
[22:01] <gQuigs> ahh
[22:01] <gQuigs> Lubuntu 14.04!
[22:10] <ianorlin> 3
[22:13] <gQuigs> ianorlin: so this page is wrong?  and I should contact omgubuntu to let them know they are wrong too
[22:13] <gQuigs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu#Lubuntu_14.04_LTS
[22:14] <gQuigs> is it written somewhere official that people can check?
[22:26] <ianorlin> http://www.tuxarena.com/2014/04/one-week-until-lubuntu-14-04-lightweight-lts-tidy-overview-with-screenshots/ this is one with correct
[22:48] <micky> hello?
[22:49] <micky> anyone here?
[22:49] <wxl> !ask | micky
[22:50] <micky> cool
[22:51] <micky> My question is when exactly the 14.04 Lubuntu LTS will come out (not the beta).
[22:51] <wxl> the 17th
[22:51] <wxl> !14.04
[22:52] <micky> So it is safe to say that Lubuntu will be out the same day as Ubuntu?
[22:52] <wxl> yep
[22:52] <micky> ok
[22:52] <wxl> that is always the plan
[22:53] <micky> Something else: The spyware / privacy issues Stallman talked about with respect to Ubuntu (search inquireis going to a canonical server and the amazon targeted ads). Is there any such stuff in Lubuntu?
[22:54] <wxl> nope
[22:55] <wxl> and bdesides, everything is configurable
[22:55] <wxl> it's not windows.
[22:55] <wxl> stallman is just a grumpy old toe cheese eater :)
[22:57] <micky> I think most of his arguments are sound.... .)
[22:57] <micky> Minor question: Is all the Lubuntu developement done through voluntary contribution (no one paid)? And who does most of the Linux kernel developement? Volunteer or Red Hat and other such companies?
[22:57] <micky> *Volunteers
[22:57] <wxl> there are paid developers at canonical
[22:57] <wxl> all of the ubuntu derivatives use some of that development
[22:58] <wxl> the rest is voluntary
[22:58] <wxl> as for the kernel, that's a darn good question but it's a heck of a lot of people :)
[22:58] <micky> :) okidoy
[22:58] <micky> okidok
[23:00] <micky> I am beginning to use linux but I think I will not go back to windows. Also the support is much greater that with Windows!
[23:00] <wxl> indeed
[23:00] <wxl> and it's not virusbait
[23:01] <micky> that was the initial reason
[23:02] <micky> have you tried out other distros than lubuntu?
[23:02] <wxl> certainly
[23:04] <micky> Ok. Thanks! Got to go to bed... n8
[23:06] <ianorlin> wiating on people in IRC is greater than being on hold on the phone


[18:47] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: catfish 1.4.12 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-catfish-1-4-12-released-tp56903.html (by Sean Davis-6)
[22:42] <bluesabre> JackFrost: if the catfish sponsorship is still available, I have 1.4.12 ready to go at https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/applications/catfish :)


[07:31] <sagaci> head_victim, ping
[07:32] <head_victim> sagaci: how do you know when I sit down at my desk :/
[07:32] <sagaci> magic
[07:32] <head_victim> I'm a little concerned. But what can I do for you :)
[07:33] <sagaci> I created a branch under the ubuntu-au translators which I'll aim to keep up to date with the latest set of translation templates for en_AU
[07:33] <sagaci> it's around 63mb but it'll be a great way to grep strings and keep up to date if anyone wants to help with it
[07:34] <sagaci> 63mb to branch and then maybe a few hundred kilobytes to update each month
[07:35] <head_victim> Sure :) I really should look into how launchpad code stuff works one of these days
[07:36] <sagaci> i've done color, dialog, analog and a few others but I think we'll have to do a few more over since the strings we translated in the past month seem to have copied over to precise but we can't edit them directly
[08:53] <sagaci> head_victim, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric
[10:35] <head_victim> sagaci: nice work. You and jaddi should really be proud
[10:37] <sagaci> so do you think you'll be able to spare a bit of time to fix the mistakes
[10:37] <head_victim> There are mistakes?
[10:38] <head_victim> Or you mean the download and grep?
[10:38] <sagaci> yeah, the latter
[10:39] <head_victim> sure, bearing in mind my technical skills are limited I don't mind helping with what I can (I barely understand trunks and branches)
[10:40] <head_victim> Well I get them, I just don't get the workflow of how it all fits together
[10:42] <sagaci> branch the branch, update as necessary, it's just a folder with all the most up-to-date en_AU files and you just grep strings and then search for the package name, then search for the mistake string via the web interface
[10:43] <sagaci> well you grep the string, output it to a file then grep that file for msgstr
[10:43] <head_victim> Sounds like I need to whip up some bash
[10:45] <head_victim> Let me guess though, going through your youtube how to's would be useful for setting up for this sort of thing?
[10:46] <sagaci> nah, it looks like you've got an ssh key, that's all you really need
[10:46] <head_victim> Yeah I have a key. I lost the original one so updated it and made sure I did it right. The first time I had no idea what I was doing I was "just doing it to sign the CoC" like a lot of newer types.
[10:48] <sagaci> well you just have to do it with an install which has the correct ssh key attached to it
[10:48] <sagaci> you can have multiple ssh keys for different machines
[10:48] <head_victim> Yeah I figured doing one properly would be a good start. I'm just updating the 12.04 vm now. I'll probably do it in that
[10:49] <head_victim> The update manager has been a bit flakey lately so I've been trying to use it to see if I can cause the crash in a repeatable manner. No luck so far.
[10:57] <sagaci> http://paste.ubuntu.com/755885/
[10:57] <sagaci> head_victim, ^
[10:58] <sagaci> probably could be made into a shell script for auto use but haven't got around to that yet
[10:59] <sagaci> if it's your first time doing a bzr branch, you'll have to type yes to authenticate
[10:59] <sagaci> and your ssh password too
[10:59] <head_victim> I was just going through help files about that, you mean when it states it can't authenticate bazaar.launchpad.net?
[10:59] <sagaci> delta packs are updated every 4 days
[11:00] <sagaci> yeah
[11:00] <head_victim> Hmm gpg has my key listed by bzr is throwing connection errors about permissions
[11:02] <sagaci> actually you need to tweak some things
[11:02] <head_victim> Yeah I'll have a play :)
[11:02] <sagaci> bzr whoami "Jared Norris<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:02] <head_victim> Done :D
[11:02] <head_victim> Google and man are my friends :
[11:02] <sagaci> and bzr launchpad-login yourlogingoeshere
[11:03] <head_victim> Done :)
[11:03] <sagaci> try to bzr branch
[11:04] <sagaci> it's about 10MB
[11:08] <head_victim> I'll have to have a play with it another time I think
[11:08] <head_victim> I can whoami, I can launchpad-login but still throws permission denied errors
[11:08] <head_victim> The key is listed as being there with gpg
[11:09] <sagaci> you shouldn't need a gpg key, only ssh
[11:09] <head_victim> Yeah that's probably my issue come to think of it.
[11:09] <head_victim> I've been awake too long for new things
[11:09] <head_victim> I'll have a poke around when I've had some sleep
[11:10] <sagaci> yeah it's the easiest/best way to have the most up to date packages, otherwise you can manually download the base pack and the delta and move the en_AU files over... overwriting them


[18:27] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:05] <snail> morning
[19:08] <Atamira> mornin
[19:11] <ajmitch> morning
[19:25] <zapzupnz> Good morning.
[20:01] <mwhudson> morning
[20:03] <thumper> morning
[20:39] <hads> Morning


[01:20] <GridCube> well :P
[01:21] <GridCube> i think this last structure of the database is pretty cool, tho the specs table needs work http://imagebin.org/181483
[18:37] <joeC1> .
[18:44] <knome> joeC1, ?
[19:20] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings updated
[19:33] <madnick> I never understood what "blueprints" are in this context
[20:07] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team
[20:07] <knome> for example
[20:12] <madnick> okay :)
[20:14] <knome> proposed specifications
[20:14] <knome> one could say
[20:14] <GridCube> I think is weird the use of "blueprints", but i guess thats because im not a native speaker
[20:23] <ochosi> hi everyone
[20:23] <ochosi> i'm currently workin on theming the datetime plugin a bit for 12.04
[20:23] <ochosi> this is where i'm at: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10302011-091547pm.php
[20:24] <GridCube> thats nice
[20:24] <GridCube> but whats that grey triangle?
[20:24] <ochosi> that's a resize-grip
[20:24] <ochosi> :/
[20:26] <GridCube> calendar has resize?
[20:27] <ochosi> it's ubuntu's stupid default setting
[20:27] <ochosi> resize-grip in *every* window
[20:27] <GridCube> i see
[20:27] <GridCube> question: why the default clock need two clics to open orage?
[20:30] <GridCube> ochosi, if you make that white border a little more grey it would look better imho
[20:34] <ochosi> GridCube: currently working on removing border and resize-grip
[20:35] <GridCube> :)
[20:53] <ochosi> GridCube: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10302011-095152pm.php
[20:54] <GridCube> much better
[20:54] <GridCube> can't you force the triangle to be black?
[20:55] <GridCube> or the same dark grey?
[20:56] <GridCube> also plug your computer, your batery is runing out
[20:56] <ochosi> hehe
[20:57] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10302011-095653pm.php
[20:57] <ochosi> there you go :)
[20:57] <GridCube> :D awesome
[20:57] <GridCube> you still need to plug your computer tho
[20:58] <mr_pouit> maybe he uses a netbook, so there's still 1h30 left ;-)
[20:58] <GridCube> the triangle stills there buts grey? or just not there anymore
[20:58] <ochosi> GridCube: removed the triangle (*and* plugged in my ac-adapter ;) )
[20:58] <mr_pouit> GridCube: not there (the triangle comes from an ubuntu specific patch of gtk2 anyway)
[20:59] <GridCube> oh
[20:59] <ochosi> i think the next thing i'll do is flat terminals
[20:59] <GridCube> :D
[20:59] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i know you use something different, but have you got any opinion on that?
[21:00] <mr_pouit> I'm not sure what that means actually :p
[21:00] <ochosi> screenshot coming up...
[21:01] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10302011-100111pm.php
[21:02] <ochosi> obviously the scrollbar would have to be fixed
[21:03] <GridCube> oh! :D i asked you to do that once
[21:03] <ochosi> yeah i know, there were a few people asking about it
[21:03] <GridCube> :P
[21:03] <ochosi> so i'm considering doing it now
[21:03] <ochosi> especially since a few people complained about the dark scrollbar
[21:03] <GridCube> i think its pretty cool
[21:04] <GridCube> :D
[21:04] <mr_pouit> oh, interesting
[21:04] <GridCube> it would look better on albatross tho :P
[21:05] <GridCube> or if font where "embossed"like the titlebar
[21:05] <mr_pouit> but greybird is teh future :P
[21:05] <GridCube> :P
[21:05] <ochosi> :)
[21:05] <GridCube> it would be like working on an aluminium plate :P
[21:06] <ochosi> yeah, the font-effect could be set specifically for the terminal
[21:06] <GridCube> say ochosi what color is this grey on RGB?
[21:07] <ochosi> GridCube: #cecece
[21:12] <GridCube> ochosi, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturadepantalla-301011-181049.php
[21:12] <GridCube> :P
[21:13] <ochosi> mmm
[21:15] <GridCube> ochosi, why i don't see the dots arrows on the desplacement(?) bars?
[21:15] <GridCube> s/desplacement/scroll/
[21:16] <ochosi> i removed them from greybird in one of the later revisions
[21:16] <ochosi> they're only there on firefox and openoffice
[21:17] <GridCube> yes
[21:17] <GridCube> :/ why?
[21:18] <ochosi> it didn't work so well with the changed scrollbar-stlye
[21:19] <ochosi> style
[21:26] <GridCube> ochosi, http://es.zimagez.com/zimage/thing2.php
[21:26] <GridCube> that thing appears where the pseudo dock is
[21:26] <ochosi> right, i guess it's its "shadow"
[21:27] <ochosi> i don't use the launcher-panel atm so i can't check
[21:27] <ochosi> what you can do is set alpha transparency to 100% on leave
[21:30] <GridCube> oh
[21:30] <GridCube> that fixed it
[21:30] <GridCube> :D
[21:30] <GridCube> if what i did is what you told me to do
[21:30] <GridCube> :P
[21:31] <ochosi> :)
[21:44] <ochosi> terminal theming update: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10302011-104356pm.php
[21:44] <ochosi> mr_pouit: so, do you now have an opinion on "flat terminals"? ^
[21:46] <mr_pouit> yeah, they look great
[21:49] <knome> mr_pouit, can we create a new image-posting website for the xfce-screenshooter in xubuntu?
[21:50] <knome> xubuntu-shots.org
[21:50] <knome> :P
[21:50] <ochosi> that'd be awesome
[21:50] <ochosi> but who pays for the storage? :)
[21:50] <knome> that would be awesome, not only for the users, but also for use, since we would see the variety of desktops
[21:50] <knome> sabdfl?
[21:50] <knome> :P
[21:50] <ochosi> lol
[21:50] <knome> just set up with a REALLY crappy hosting
[21:50] <knome> it doesn't need to work 24/7
[21:51] <knome> and it doesn't matter if we hit the upload/download limits
[21:51] <knome> even a homeserver would go, if you ask me
[21:51] <knome> if it'd only work most of the time
[21:51] <ochosi> knome: any opinion about the flat terminals?
[21:51] <knome> ochosi, they look good, though i'm not particularly fond of the grey bg
[21:52] <knome> (i like my terminal black)
[21:52] <knome> but yeah, it doesn't mean one shouldn't implement that or that it'd look bad
[21:52] <ochosi> knome: hm, not sure there's a way to do that. unless you wanna drop the window-borders :)
[21:52] <knome> i don't
[21:52] <knome> i'm waiting for darkgreybird
[21:52] <knome> :P
[21:53] <knome> that would be just awesome, not only because the termianl
[21:53] <knome> *terminal
[21:53] <ochosi> yeah, guess that's gonna take a little longer
[21:54] <knome> sure
[21:54] <ochosi> tbh the development time has increased a lot since gtk3 was added to the palette
[21:54] <knome> if gtk3 wasn't there, i'd just rush for darkgreybird
[21:54] <ochosi> to have a "complete" theme we'd at least need: xfwm, gtk2, gtk3, xfce-notifyd
[21:54] <knome> as in just creating loads of images quickly
[21:54] <knome> and see how that looks
[21:55] <knome> i'd be willing to do some experimenting with xfwm stuff soonish
[21:55] <ochosi> another question is: how dark should it be. i mean albatross isn't even *that* dark
[21:55] <ochosi> i'd personally go for something like NOX
[21:55] <ochosi> hm, i guess for now i'd just port the current window-borders to a dark theme
[21:56] <knome> i'd just actually use the greybird gtk2/3
[21:56] <knome> like albatross
[21:56] <knome> dark/light theme
[21:57] <GridCube> knome, :P we can always use madnick's servers
[21:57]  * GridCube hides
[21:57] <knome> and yeah, it could be something like nox, or even darker
[21:57] <knome> GridCube, ha
[22:09] <ochosi> terminal update: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10302011-110907pm.php
[22:09] <knome> mr_pouit, http://xubuntu.org/mission
[22:09] <knome> mr_pouit, we *did* say Xfce on our website!!!
[22:09] <knome> mr_pouit, that page is just not linked to from anywhere...
[22:10] <mr_pouit> ;-)
[22:11] <ochosi> think i'll test these terminal settings for a while and probably push them later
[22:11] <ochosi> if any of you want to try/test them as well let me know
[22:11] <ochosi> i can either push them to a testing-branch or pastebin it
[22:21] <knome> pleia2, http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:websitetodo updated
[22:22]  * pleia2 looks
[22:22] <pleia2> just checked in to UDS hotel, bumped into charlie on my way in :)
[22:22] <knome> hehe
[22:23] <knome> hopefully neither of you hurt yourself while bumping
[22:23] <pleia2> hah
[22:29] <knome> pleia2, once you've had a look at it (no rush!!) tell me what you think
[22:29] <knome> bbl
[22:30] <pleia2> will be eaten by uds these next few days, but I'll take some time
[22:30] <pleia2> later :)
[22:37] <ochosi> GridCube: if you wanna use the datetime plugin you can add the shimmer ppa, a fixed package (without the ugly border and the resize-grip) is there (thanks to mr_pouit)
[22:38] <GridCube> ochosi, i have the ppa
[22:40] <GridCube> bbl
[22:40] <ochosi> yup, bbl
[23:32] <ochosi> btw, the terminal scrollbar also works with dark/black terminal
[23:32] <ochosi> it doesn't blend in, but it looks ok
[23:33] <GridCube> :)
[23:34] <ochosi> i finally managed to make the scrollbar-trough blend in 100% :)


[15:54] <[diablo]> Good evening #upstart
[15:55] <[diablo]> guys we're trying to write an upstart job to call a BASH script.. for RHEL6
[15:55] <[diablo]> we need to be sure that the networking is up, and that the file system is there
[15:56] <[diablo]> http://pastie.org/10815230
[15:56] <[diablo]> syntax check works, but it does not run :-/
[15:56] <[diablo]> anyone advise whats up please?
[19:21] <CrazyTux[m]> pre-start process: unable to execute: Argument list too long
[19:21] <CrazyTux[m]> What could this error mean?
[19:32] <CrazyTux[m]> this is so odd, no matter what I do  upstart is telling me job fails to start due to argument list being too long, yet there is no really long argument list, and it initially stated that for my pre-start stanza, which then I commented out the entire block and now its saying for my script stanza
[20:06] <chras> CrazyTux[m]: any details?
[20:07] <CrazyTux[m]> chras, it looks like it was an issue with my #limit stack 240 480 line
[20:07] <CrazyTux[m]> I commented it out and it works now
[20:07] <CrazyTux[m]> but now I've one last issue
[20:07] <CrazyTux[m]> I'm trying to chown -R ${USER}:${GROUP} $DIR
[20:08] <CrazyTux[m]> for DIR in a b c
[20:08] <CrazyTux[m]> and this is error'ing out
[20:08] <CrazyTux[m]> inside script stanza
[20:08] <CrazyTux[m]> if I comment out the for loop all is well.
[20:08] <CrazyTux[m]> well its more like for FSDIR in "$A" "$B" "$C" [newline] do [newline] chown -R ${USER}:${GROUP} $FSDIR [newline] done
[20:09] <CrazyTux[m]> "done" seems to be highlighted in vim syntax though so not sure if its reserved or something in upstart
[20:21] <chras> CrazyTux[m]: i havnt used the limit stuff before, but for your chown prob be useful to echo out your chown to see why its failing
[20:21] <chras> then you could try running it by hand
[20:21] <CrazyTux[m]> my loop by hand is fine
[20:21] <chras> whats the actual error when it errors out?
[20:22] <CrazyTux[m]> init: process-name pre-start process (24199) terminated with status 2
[20:23] <chras> so whats exiting with an exit of 2
[20:24] <chras> but didnt you say that
[20:25] <chras> that your for FSDIR was in a script, or was it in pre-start ?
[20:36] <CrazyTux[m]> i've tried both
[20:45] <chras> CrazyTux[m]: something in your pre-start is throwing an exit 2, which is causing your event to fail out
[20:45] <chras> just need to isolate what that is
[20:45] <chras> it could be your chown
[20:46] <chras> tho im not sure what fail case in chown would exit with 2, instead of 1
[20:47] <chras> could you pastebin your event?
[20:48] <CrazyTux[m]> sure one moment.
[20:50] <CrazyTux[m]> chras, http://pastebin.com/ZXgEMTr1
[20:52] <chras> k sec
[20:53] <CrazyTux[m]> sure
[20:54] <chras> and that all works without errors with the exception of your chown loop ?
[20:54] <chras> hm, you said it above
[20:54] <chras> but its not in the paste
[20:55] <chras> your do part of your for
[20:55] <chras> and that DOES throw an exit 2
[20:57] <CrazyTux[m]> correct
[20:57] <CrazyTux[m]> let me try re adding it
[20:57] <CrazyTux[m]> but
[20:57] <CrazyTux[m]> I literally
[20:57] <CrazyTux[m]> tried 100 variations
[20:57] <CrazyTux[m]> so prob
[20:58] <CrazyTux[m]> just got dd'ed in vim
[20:58] <CrazyTux[m]> lol
[20:58] <CrazyTux[m]> testing now sec.
[20:58] <chras> other then missing the do
[20:58] <chras> it looks all sane
[20:58] <CrazyTux[m]> chras, what would cause the limit stack issue?
[20:58] <CrazyTux[m]> chras, that causes it to exit out too
[20:59] <CrazyTux[m]> chras, interesting that worked...
[20:59] <chras> im not that familar with the limit stuff, i can try it here
[20:59] <chras> so still error'd out?
[20:59] <CrazyTux[m]> chras, not sure how the slipped throug; however I do know for fact I did try it with a do in a one line form/fashion
[20:59] <CrazyTux[m]> chras, no that was a go
[20:59] <chras> oh? good?
[20:59] <CrazyTux[m]> yes ty
[20:59] <chras> fresh eyes
[20:59] <CrazyTux[m]> haha :)
[20:59] <chras> lemme try limit here, sec
[21:00] <CrazyTux[m]> I literally tried putting it on one line, because typically when I write bash it is one liner's in console
[21:00] <CrazyTux[m]> for x in a b c; do echo x; done
[21:00] <CrazyTux[m]> I did that that haha
[21:00] <CrazyTux[m]> and it didn't like it :P
[21:00] <CrazyTux[m]> Sure.
[21:01] <CrazyTux[m]> Right now I've ulimit set in script block right before exec, would this even take affect or cause any adverse behavior?
[21:01] <CrazyTux[m]> when setup in this manner it seems ok
[21:01] <CrazyTux[m]> but I find it where that limit nofile works  but not stack.
[21:02] <chras> k i actually do get the same error as you with limit
[21:03] <chras> thats what i do, just ulimit manually inside my script stanza
[21:06] <chras> oh
[21:06] <chras> i think. thats bytes
[21:06] <chras> right, limit stack works for me, when i use it with bytes
[21:07] <chras> with limit stack 240 240 , i got the same too many arguments error
[21:07] <chras> with limit stack 8192 8192 i got a segv as expeted, and then i did 8k (8388608) and it worked fine
[21:09] <CrazyTux[m]> hmmmm
[21:09] <CrazyTux[m]> so its looking for limit stack 240k /
[21:10] <CrazyTux[m]> yup
[21:10] <CrazyTux[m]> worked here.
[21:10] <CrazyTux[m]> nice.
[21:10] <CrazyTux[m]> chras, thank you for your kind help.
[21:10] <chras> hey no worries
[21:10] <CrazyTux[m]> chras, next time your in SoCal let me know, I'll buy you a few beers!
[21:22] <CrazyTux[m]> chras, interesting
[21:22] <CrazyTux[m]> chars, so 240k works on several systems but I've got one where it tells me...
[21:22] <CrazyTux[m]> [1730361.753244] init: /etc/init/freeswitch.conf:54: Illegal limit, expected 'unlimited' or integer
[21:23] <CrazyTux[m]> so I converted it to straight integers.
[21:23] <CrazyTux[m]> but still no cigar, very weird.
[21:23] <CrazyTux[m]> 1.12.1 upstart version
[21:23] <CrazyTux[m]> vs 1.11
[21:23] <CrazyTux[m]> weird...
[21:23] <CrazyTux[m]> 1.11 works
[21:24] <CrazyTux[m]> but either way, no worries thanks for your help!
[21:24] <CrazyTux[m]> I can take it from here :P
[21:29] <CrazyTux[m]> chras,  ok so yea I know Im not crazy lol, so beyond that stack issue between the two versions my for loop is again broken
[21:30] <chras> i use 1.11
[21:31] <chras> when i said 8k, i meant i did limit stack 8388608 8388608
[21:31] <CrazyTux[m]> Yea .1.12.1 is the "more" problematic one
[21:31] <CrazyTux[m]> chras, oh really? I did 240k
[21:31] <CrazyTux[m]> and it worked
[21:31] <chras> i didnt try that, but seems reasonable
[21:33] <CrazyTux[m]> Yea
[21:35] <CrazyTux[m]> compiling latest stable.. will see what happens
[21:35] <CrazyTux[m]> on a dev box
[21:41] <CrazyTux[m]> yea no cigar, still does not like the for loop it seems on the later versions.
[21:41] <CrazyTux[m]> w/e ill deal with it for now ol
[21:41] <CrazyTux[m]> lol
[21:42] <CrazyTux[m]> #moving onto more important things will come back to this lol


[00:00] <travis2009> but skipping through makes it load, but still shows video as done loading but obviously it isnt
[00:00] <travis2009> and ill try reinstalling FF
[00:00] <Guest7628> thank crawler...!!!
[00:00] <crawler> :)
[00:01] <travis2009> why is there so many people here, but none of them talk?
[00:02] <crawler> seriously, i was wondering that meself
[00:02] <Guest7628> :-)
[00:02] <crawler> travis2009: see if you have adobe-flashplugin installed
[00:03] <travis2009> hold on, im reinstalling fff
[00:03] <travis2009> ff
[00:03] <crawler> k
[00:03] <crawler> noobs helping noobs :-)
[00:03] <travis2009> i realized i uninstalled it with firefox running
[00:03] <travis2009> lo
[00:03] <travis2009> l
[00:03] <crawler> xD
[00:03] <travis2009> and yes im a noob :|
[00:04] <crawler> hey i'll be the first to admit it ;-) been using *buntu since 5.04 and i still don't know what the hell i'm doing lol
[00:04] <travis2009> ive been using it off and on since 9.04
[00:04] <travis2009> i have windows 7 for games
[00:04] <travis2009> only
[00:05] <crawler> heh good, i keep windows for my scanner and games
[00:05] <travis2009> if it wasnt for games, i wouldnt have windows
[00:05] <crawler> pretty much yea
[00:06] <travis2009> i also have a printer not compatible with ubuntu
[00:06] <crawler> yea my scanner wont work with linux
[00:06] <travis2009> lexmark is to lazy to make a driver for linux.....
[00:06] <crawler> yea canon too
[00:07] <Guest7628> is a mistake..I have a canon pixma 1300 working on suse...!!!
[00:08] <Guest7628> also my scanjet 2400 hp running under suse..!!!
[00:08] <crawler> that's good..just got my LiDE 200 scanner working with the latest sane build, but it scans 200% slower than it does in windows
[00:08] <crawler> so, some canon scanners work, but not like they should
[00:09] <Guest7628> is true...is a little slower...!!
[00:09] <travis2009> ok, i reinstalled firefox, installed adobe-flashplugin, and nothing
[00:09] <Guest7628> but is not a huge problem...
[00:09] <crawler> heh yea
[00:09] <crawler> travis i have no clue..you say it worked before?  what changed, maybe an update or something?
[00:09] <travis2009> this is getting annoying
[00:09] <crawler> i understand your frustrations completely
[00:10] <travis2009> no, i just watched a youtube video, then found another, and then just whiteness
[00:10] <travis2009> not a single flash thing loads
[00:10] <crawler> hmm...try cleaning out the private data?
[00:10] <crawler> or i mean recent history
[00:10] <travis2009> k
[00:11] <travis2009> clearing recent history in firefox does nothing......
[00:11] <crawler> grrr...
[00:11] <travis2009> thats what i was thinking lol
[00:11] <crawler> any other streaming sites you can try?
[00:12] <crawler> maybe youtube is acting up
[00:12] <travis2009> ok, found a code
[00:13] <travis2009> sudo apt-get remove --purge flashplugin-nonfree -y && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree -y
[00:13] <travis2009> dont know if i should try it though lol
[00:13] <crawler> looks harmless enough lol
[00:13] <crawler> go for it
[00:13] <travis2009> oh, they said the --purge means complete removal
[00:13] <travis2009> so ill try it lol
[00:14]  * crawler crosses fingers
[00:14] <travis2009> 50% done downloading.......
[00:15] <travis2009> and it..............
[00:15] <travis2009> :( doesnt work...
[00:15] <crawler> BAH
[00:16] <travis2009> ok, i found out something else to try.
[00:17] <crawler> see if you can watch a video from http://vimeo.com/
[00:18] <travis2009> vimeo doesnt work either
[00:19] <travis2009> niether does metacafe
[00:20] <travis2009> i dont know what else to do
[00:20] <travis2009> ....
[00:20] <travis2009> blow up my laptop??
[00:20] <travis2009> lol
[00:20] <crawler> lol try in a terminal firefox -safe-mode
[00:21] <crawler> then click continue in safe mode
[00:21] <crawler> don't check any boxes
[00:22] <travis2009> dont work either!
[00:22] <travis2009> lol
[00:22] <crawler> also, look in synaptic for swfdec-mozilla
[00:23] <crawler> and libswfdec
[00:23] <travis2009> wow, you know more than i do lol
[00:23] <travis2009> swfdec-mozilla not installed
[00:23] <crawler> try it
[00:24] <travis2009> none of them are installe
[00:24] <travis2009> d
[00:24] <travis2009> both?
[00:24] <crawler> yea, i have them both and flash works fine
[00:24] <crawler> not using 10.10 however
[00:24] <crawler> 10.04 xubuntu & 9.04 ubuntu
[00:25] <travis2009> downloading 33 files
[00:25] <crawler> i would downgrade to 10.04 for long time support
[00:25] <travis2009> 10.04 had hardware issues for some reason
[00:25] <crawler> you'll be good till like 2013
[00:25] <travis2009> 10.10 doesnt
[00:25] <crawler> ahh i see
[00:26] <travis2009> i have another laptop, where 9.04, my network card wouldnt work correctly
[00:26] <travis2009> it would connect to my wireless network, then the signal would get worse and worse, then it wouldnt connect anymore until i restarted
[00:27] <travis2009> then that was  fixed in 9.10
[00:27] <crawler> hahah that's really weird
[00:27] <travis2009> the one im on is an old one
[00:27] <travis2009> and flash....
[00:28] <travis2009> you should know the answer...
[00:28] <travis2009> lol
[00:28] <crawler> yea
[00:28] <crawler> try alt+f2 killall firefox firefox-bin
[00:28] <crawler> then try
[00:29] <travis2009> nope
[00:29] <travis2009> i havent tried restarting yet, though...
[00:29] <crawler> well, last resort
[00:30] <crawler> do it!
[00:30] <travis2009> ill try that, then ill get back on here to tell you if it worked or not
[00:30] <crawler> :)
[00:30] <crawler> k
[00:30] <travis2009> :)
[00:32] <travis2009> well im back
[00:32] <travis2009> and guess what?
[00:32] <crawler> ...
[00:32] <travis2009> it didnt work :(
[00:33] <crawler> that's a bummer...50 people in here and no help
[00:33] <crawler> maybe try the #ubuntu channel
[00:33] <crawler> or blow up your laptop
[00:33] <crawler> :)
[00:34] <travis2009> ill drop a bomb on it
[00:34] <travis2009> i think thats a better idea...
[00:34] <crawler> take it to the edge of a cliff and throw it like a frisbee
[00:34] <crawler> then drop a bomb on it
[00:37] <travis2009> thats much better
[00:37] <crawler> yea..oh another thing i thought of..try a new ff profile
[00:38] <crawler> i think you can make one with firefox -profile-manager
[00:38] <travis2009> that is the problem in #ubuntu no one pays attention to you
[00:38] <crawler> true
[00:38] <crawler> * firefox -ProfileManager
[00:40] <travis2009> it opened a new firefox window, but no profile manager
[00:40] <crawler> travis2009: make sure it's not open first
[00:41] <travis2009> that was problem )
[00:41] <travis2009> :)
[00:41] <crawler> k heh
[00:42] <crawler> just click next > enter a name, and finish
[00:42] <travis2009> good job!
[00:42] <travis2009> lol
[00:42] <crawler> lol
[00:42] <travis2009> thanks
[00:42] <travis2009> for all your help lol
[00:42] <travis2009> it woeks like new
[00:42] <travis2009> workd
[00:43] <travis2009> WORKS
[00:43] <travis2009> lol
[00:43] <crawler> hey no prob...maybe your profile is somehow corrupt
[00:43] <crawler> lol
[00:43] <travis2009> probably
[00:43] <crawler> so you want to migrate to the new one?  or do you have lots of extensions/passwords/bookmarks
[00:43] <crawler> either way, it's pretty easy
[00:43] <crawler> i can walk you through it
[00:44] <travis2009> i had nothing but adblock on other one
[00:44] <travis2009> thats easy to reinstall
[00:44] <crawler> ok, good stuff
[00:44] <crawler> i feel sorry for whoever reads through this logfile later ;-)
[00:44] <travis2009> i remember, this problem happened right after i went to a video about Ke$ha Sleazy song, and there was a link below it: http://www.sharebeast.com/i7npdgpvslr1
[00:45] <travis2009> lol
[00:45] <travis2009> just dont go to that site lol
[00:45] <crawler> huh that's weird
[00:45] <travis2009> anyway its fixed
[00:46] <crawler> yea it had a script running my cpu @ 100% there
[00:46] <crawler> so yea, maybe you want to get the noscript addon too
[00:46] <travis2009> you went there?
[00:46] <crawler> for a brief second
[00:46] <travis2009> oh ok
[00:46] <crawler> but i used a clean profile
[00:47] <travis2009> ok
[00:47] <crawler> now i'm going to delete it lol
[00:47] <travis2009> the safe way lol
[00:47] <crawler> yea
[00:47] <travis2009> BTW, do you like or ever heard of Ke$ha?
[00:47] <crawler> no, i'm going to check that out though
[00:48] <crawler> hey i'm gonna pm you, soon as i figure out how
[00:48] <crawler> xD
[00:48] <travis2009> figure out what?
[00:48] <crawler> how to private message
[00:48] <travis2009> rare you using XChat?
[00:48] <travis2009> like me?
[00:49] <crawler> yea
[00:49] <travis2009> not rare, "ARE: lol
[00:49] <crawler> heh it should be in a new tab
[00:49] <crawler> maybe at the top
[00:49] <crawler> ?
[00:49] <travis2009> nvm, you figured it out already lol
[06:14] <Rakko> I just upgraded to 10.10, but apparently I have a reference to a disk that no longer exists in my fstab. I'm on a screen that says to press S to skip mounting or press M for manual recovery, but neither one does anything. What's wrong here?
[06:15] <Rakko> I've been waiting for it to continue for several minutes now
[06:30] <psycho_oreos> upgrading is generally not a good idea.. what I'd probably do is use livecd/liveusb to edit the /etc/fstab myself
[11:08] <ubuXubu> good morning, does xubuntu offer xubi
[11:08] <bazhang> ubuXubu, not that I know of
[11:08] <bazhang> easy enough to remedy though once wubi is done, I'd imagine
[11:08] <ubuXubu> seems to be ubuntu only
[11:09] <ubuXubu> i dont like that sudo stuff to change it
[11:09] <ubuXubu> i just like to put it in there up front
[11:09] <bazhang> yep
[11:09] <ubuXubu> one shot
[11:09] <bazhang> likely could purexfce it though
[11:12] <ubuXubu> each should have its own, wubi,kubi,lubu,xubi
[11:13] <ubuXubu> lubi i meant
[11:17] <siavashserver> hi
[11:18] <ubuXubu> welcome siavashserver
[11:19] <siavashserver> thanks
[11:19] <siavashserver> any ideas how to get the properties of multiple files/folders in the thunar? it seems confusing to me that 'properties' is disabled in right click menu
[11:19] <siavashserver> is it the way thunar is?
[11:23] <ubuXubu> shoot im not in xubuntu right now
[11:23] <ubuXubu> but its trimmed back for sure
[11:24] <ubuXubu> i seem to recall being able to look in properties though
[11:24] <siavashserver> ubuXubu, for multiple files selected?
[11:25] <siavashserver> or just for one folder/file?
[11:25] <ubuXubu> i guess i only look at one at a time
[11:25] <ubuXubu> not sure wut u mean
[11:26] <ubuXubu> i rescued an infected macine w/ xubu and i was looking at properties for hours
[11:26] <ubuXubu> file after file
[11:26] <psycho_oreos> infected xubuntu machine?
[11:26] <ubuXubu> no
[11:27] <siavashserver> what im doing is : holding the left mouse button, draging to select a few files. when i'm right clicking, 'properties' is disbaled :(
[11:27] <ubuXubu> i put an infected windows drive under a good xubu drive in my computer
[11:27] <psycho_oreos> ahh
[11:28] <ubuXubu> then i dragged the files from windows t oxubu and saved em
[11:28] <ubuXubu> hehe
[11:28] <psycho_oreos> siavashserver, best way is to probably put them into a directory and do right click on the directory with all the files
[11:28] <ubuXubu> im lost on this properties problem
[11:28] <siavashserver> wtf? :D
[11:28] <siavashserver> that sounds crazy
[11:29] <psycho_oreos> its the same issue with my ancient copy of xubuntu (9.04) so its probably related to the use of thunar
[11:31] <siavashserver> psycho_oreos, looks like its sth with thunar (just asked a few questions at #xfce)
[11:31] <psycho_oreos> siavashserver, exactly as I pointed :) read above
[11:31] <siavashserver> yup
[11:31] <psycho_oreos> another way would be to use another file manager I suppose.. in my case I use pcmanfm (part of lxde or lubuntu) whenever thunar plays up
[11:32] <siavashserver> then it should download the gnome dependencies to get them working, so why not gnome from beginning? :D
[11:33] <siavashserver> ubuXubu, psycho_oreos, thanks for help
[11:35] <psycho_oreos> siavashserver, heh it might be issues with some backends that I suppose xfce still somewhat slightly depends on gnome
[11:36] <siavashserver> thats for panel widgets
[11:36] <siavashserver> (those dependencies)
[11:37] <psycho_oreos> well I dunno then.. you may also want to look at it as probably the fact lies that the xfce developers probably forked their work off gnome
[11:43] <ubuXubu> all roads lead to.....gn home
[15:05] <xubuntu393> jasdkfl
[15:05] <xubuntu393> hallo
[15:09] <bittin> hi
[15:12] <chee> :)
[16:05] <bugs_bugger> hi
[16:06] <bugs_bugger> having trouble with an xubuntu alternate cd on an 662mhz, 448mb RAM engine. it freezes just before the first dialogue (language detection). last msg: Trying to enable the frame buffer...
[16:46] <bugs_bugger> hi, anybody there?
[17:15] <ubuXubu> yes
[20:00] <Arpad2> hello
[20:00] <vinnl> !hi
[20:01] <Arpad2> my comp doesnt recognize the webcam
[20:01] <vinnl> !webcam
[20:01] <vinnl> <3 ubottu :)
[20:01] <Arpad2> i think this symptom  appeared aftzer i installed kde k3b
[20:02] <Arpad2> it replaced some files with kde file after i got softer update
[20:21] <Sysi> did it work before?
[20:22] <Arpad2> yes
[20:22] <Arpad2> both with cheese and Mercury
[20:25] <Sysi> stupid suggestion: reboot
[20:25] <Arpad2> all right
[22:56] <ubuXubu> is xubuntu recognized by canonical


[13:13] <cjwatson> Hm, turnip authentication is suboptimally-designed for code imports: it authenticates before it knows the repository, and the only state it retains between authentication and path translation is Person.id.
[13:14] <cjwatson> I might have to change it to pass the username again if the user ID is None, and make up a username that's something like +code-import-job/<job_id> (to fit the blacklist)
[13:22] <wgrant> cjwatson: Hm, do we really pass the ID as an int?
[13:23] <wgrant> I think it's reasonable for authentication to be contextless; after all, in the SSH case we don't have context until authentication completes.
[13:29] <cjwatson> We really pass the ID as an int.
[13:29] <wgrant> :(
[13:30] <cjwatson> I agree it's fine for it to be contextless in general, but in this case we need to either know what job the push relates to when authenticating, or we need to persist a bit of state until we do.
[13:30] <cjwatson> More generalised git access tokens would suggest the latter approach.
[13:30] <wgrant> Indeed, we need more than just the user ID now.
[13:30] <cjwatson> And it's a more standard authn/authz style.
[13:31] <wgrant> The current structure is fine, it's just unfortunate that the opaque data passed between the authn and authz stages is an int.
[13:31] <cjwatson> (OK, we already do authz, it's just that at the moment we can do that with just the Person)
[13:31] <cjwatson> Yeah, maybe I should just uplift that to a JSON dict.
[13:32] <wgrant> AN ASSERTION!
[13:32] <wgrant> Or a string.
[13:32] <wgrant> Either way.
[13:32] <wgrant> I don't think turnip needs to know anything about it, does it?
[13:32] <wgrant> Other than maybe for logging.
[13:32] <cjwatson> Well, yeah, a dict encoded as a string :)
[13:32] <wgrant> So simply saying "any string will do" should work.
[13:32] <cjwatson> No, turnip doesn't need to, though it's also not secret from it.
[13:33] <wgrant> Certainly.
[13:34] <cjwatson> We're already passing around a user/uid pair and only using the uid.
[13:35] <wgrant> Indeed. I'm pretty sure I intended the username as temporary but then we never dropped it once you added the UID.
[13:35] <wgrant> Let's add a third and never drop the other two!
[13:35] <cjwatson> I was going to just go back to the username :)
[13:35] <cjwatson> (I mean, not in general, there was a good reason we switched to UID.)
[13:36] <wgrant> Eh, it needs changes on both ends anyway, so we might as well call it something unconfusing.
[13:37] <cjwatson> It would be an annoying flag-day problem were it not for the fact that authenticateWithPassword is as yet unimplemented.
[13:37] <cjwatson> So we can just declare that it now returns a dict.
[13:37] <wgrant> One but not the other?
[13:37] <wgrant> I thought the existing SSH key method already returned a dict.
[13:37] <cjwatson> And translatePath can be changed to temporarily accept either form.
[13:38] <wgrant> Maybe you changed that but didn't bother with the other.
[13:38] <cjwatson> We pass a params dict to the backend in both cases.
[13:39] <cjwatson> But the SSH backend just picks the username/uid out of its "avatar" directly, since lazr.sshservice deals with the authserver interaction.
[13:39] <wgrant> Oh, SSH auth uses the authserver API
[13:39] <wgrant> Right
[13:39] <wgrant> Had forgotten that split.
[13:39] <wgrant> I suppose we can leave that for now and emulate the dict on the turnip side.
[13:39] <cjwatson> Yeah, that's easy.
[13:40] <wgrant> And sort it out later if we need it, without any serious compat issues.
[13:40] <wgrant> that/it == the SSH side of things, to be clear
[13:40]  * wgrant sleeps.
[13:40] <cjwatson> Yep
[13:40] <cjwatson> Night.
[17:51] <tsimonq2> I plan on writing some code that allows certain email addresses to be subscribed to a packageset (like yakktey-changes but filtered)
[17:51] <tsimonq2> (or so I hope to)
[17:51] <tsimonq2>  1. Is anyone opposed?
[17:52] <tsimonq2>  2. Should I hardcode the email addresses in or should an administrator be allowed to edit the email addresses through a simple web interface?
[17:57] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: no hardcoding
[17:58] <tsimonq2> that's what I thought :P
[17:58] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: but y'all aren't opposed to it?
[17:58] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: it also shouldn't be email addresses IMO, it should be a mechanism to allow people/teams to subscribe to package upload notifications, much as they can to other kinds of notifications
[17:58] <tsimonq2> oh?
[17:58] <cjwatson> I would be opposed to notifying arbitrary addresses, but a subscription mechanism here seems reasonable
[17:59] <tsimonq2> I see, ok
[17:59] <cjwatson> lib/lp/soyuz/mail/packageupload.py would be the place that sends out the mail, but you'd need to figure out how to model the subscriptions
[17:59] <cjwatson> possibly/probably including a way to subscribe to an entire packageset
[18:00] <cjwatson> I'd suggest that it should use/extend the existing structural subscription mechanism
[18:00] <tsimonq2> it would certainly help if there was a page that listed all packages in the Ubuntu archive allowing sorting by packageset
[18:00] <tsimonq2> ok
[18:00] <cjwatson> which doesn't support packagesets, but probably could
[18:01] <cjwatson> well, you don't want to have to subscribe to all the packages individually in any event, so I don't know that such a page would be really the best approach anyway
[18:01] <tsimonq2> well no, it would have checkboxes on the left of each item
[18:01] <cjwatson> firstly, it would be an annoying amount of clicking; secondly, the packageset might change later and you probably want to track that
[18:01] <tsimonq2> then the packageset name would be in bold and if you select that, it selects all the respective packages
[18:01] <cjwatson> if you want to subscribe to a packageset, model that directly, don't record subscriptions to each element of it
[18:02] <tsimonq2> oh yeah good point
[18:02] <tsimonq2> ok
[18:03] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: thanks, I'll get an MP ready within a week or two :)
[18:04] <cjwatson> I think this is likely to be a moderate amount of work involving quite a bit of fiddly hacking, and it will require DB patches, so don't underestimate the work involved.
[18:05] <cjwatson> To begin with given that it touches the DB it will certainly require at least two MPs, probably more.
[18:05] <tsimonq2> yes
[18:05] <tsimonq2> of course
[18:05] <tsimonq2> that's just *my* estimate
[18:05] <tsimonq2> it could be a lot longer
[18:06] <tsimonq2> ok I have to go, I'll look into this later, thanks again!
[18:06] <tsimonq2> win 12
[18:06] <tsimonq2> whoops
[18:07] <cjwatson> I don't want to discourage you, it's just a tough starter project :)
[18:07] <cjwatson> So as long as you're aware of that.
[20:36] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: I am :)