[05:57] <[reed]> asac: get me kiko
[05:57] <[reed]> bmo just upgraded to Bugzilla 3.4 ;)
[05:59] <micahg> [reed]: so now we can link to LP?
[05:59] <[reed]> micahg: yep
[05:59] <micahg> [reed]: should I go back an link all the bugs I'm subscribed too?
[05:59] <micahg> *to
[05:59] <[reed]> sure... I'm not exactly sure the format LP will want to use
[05:59] <[reed]> might be better to wait
[06:00] <micahg> oh, I thought it was just a URL?
[06:00] <[reed]> I know kiko or somebody needs to set stuff up
[06:00] <[reed]> on LP's side
[06:00] <[reed]> for it to work
[06:01] <micahg> [reed]: http://www.bugzilla.org/releases/3.4.3/release-notes.html#v34_feat_see
[06:02] <[reed]> yeah, but do you use URLs with bugs.launchpad.net or just launchpad.net or what
[06:02] <[reed]> that's what I don't know
[06:02] <micahg> has to be bugs.lp
[06:04] <micahg> [reed]: who has access to see also?  I can't seem to set it
[06:04] <[reed]> hmm
[06:04] <[reed]> give me a bug?
[06:04] <[reed]> what bug are you trying to set
[06:04] <micahg> mozilla 514151
[06:04] <micahg> I can set it on mine
[06:05] <micahg> which is the one that blocks that one
[06:05]  * micahg is just a regular user in bmo
[06:05] <[reed]> ah
[06:05] <[reed]> what's your bugmail address?
[06:13] <micahg> [reed]: now I can help you guys when I'm searching and find dupes
[06:27] <micahg> [reed]: I see the shorter URL works
[06:32] <micahg> [reed]: LP started importing comments from bmo
[09:09] <[reed]> mireally?
[09:41] <[reed]> micahg: really?
 [reed]: LP started importing comments from bmo
[09:41] <[reed]> where?
[09:44] <micahg> bug 477513
[09:45] <micahg> bug 212759
[09:45] <micahg> [reed]: ^^^
[09:46] <[reed]> neat
[09:46] <[reed]> micahg: if you wouldn't mind, tag bugs like that with the launchpad url
[09:46] <micahg> [reed]: I was thinking the same thing ;)
[09:46] <micahg> it might take me a while though
[09:47]  * micahg expects about 200+
[09:47] <[reed]> :)
[09:48] <micahg> [reed]: what do you think of mozilla 528831
[09:49] <[reed]> hmm
[09:49] <[reed]> ubuntu should just get rid of their workaround
[09:49] <[reed]> same for debian
[09:49] <[reed]> I think
[09:49] <micahg> [reed]: is it just Ubuntu?
[09:49] <micahg> and debian
[09:49] <[reed]> unsure
[09:50] <micahg> well, I added linux@distro, so I hope some fedora people will pipe up
[17:11] <asac_> hi ;)
[17:13] <[reed]> asac_: how's Texas?
[17:20] <asac_> [reed]: not so sure what to answer ;)
[17:20] <[reed]> lol
[17:20] <asac_>  we are in dallas ;)
[17:20] <asac_> not even in dallas
[17:20] <asac_> odd city if you ask me ;)
[17:38] <micahg> asac: I might be a few minutes late to the firefox-desktop discussion
[17:49] <micahg> asac_: is it worth coming into the firefox upgrade discussion half way through?
[17:53] <asac_> micahg: we will reschedule it
[17:53] <asac_> [reed]: ^^
[17:53] <asac_> at least i hope we can do that still as the security team cannot attend
[17:53] <micahg> I don't want to mess up everyone else's schedule...
[17:54] <micahg> how's the conference so far?
[18:23] <av`> asac_, around?
[18:54] <fta> av`, if it's as usual, don't count on asac for the whole week, unless he gets really bored during a session
[18:55] <av`> fta, yeah, you're right, I hope he gonna be around somewhen :)
[19:43] <micahg> fta: how did TB3 jump to 3.0.1?
[19:55] <micahg> asac: were you able to reschedule the ff upgrade session?
[19:59] <fta> micahg, probably because 3.0 is in a mini branch
[20:01] <fta> lots of people are requesting lightning along with tb3
[20:01] <micahg> do you want to start a daily for lightning?
[20:01] <micahg> songbird is code broke right now, not just patches
[20:02] <micahg> that's why it's taking me so long
[20:02] <micahg> do you have time to review TB31 commits?
[20:02] <Mook_sb> micahg: are you using --with-system-sqlite? (I don't think we support that... and it never worked; we just moved it to vendor-binares/ )
[20:03] <asac> micahg: yes. its not thursday
[20:03] <micahg> Mook_sb: yes, I'll remove it and try again
[20:03] <asac> how
[20:03] <micahg> Mook_sb: are you the songbird contact?
[20:03] <Mook_sb> just here to help, not trying to hurry you or anything
[20:04] <Mook_sb> micahg: I'm.. one of the songbird people; so is stevel :)
[20:04] <micahg> ok, good to know :)
[20:04] <fta> Mook_sb, we don't want those vendor-binaries; we want to build our own binaries
[20:05] <Mook_sb> fta: yes, I do understand that - hence you'd be building them out of the vendor/ sources :)
[20:05] <Mook_sb> (or, have a patch to actually support --with-system-sqlite so I can try to poke our build guy into r+ing it)
[20:06] <fta> asac, micahg: ppa builders are now building our stuff faster
[20:06] <micahg> i saw. daily ppa is almost done
[20:06] <fta> with lots of red
[20:06] <micahg> and badwindow patch landed on 3.6
[20:06] <asac> fta: cool. what did they do? special case our ppa or use a better scheduling approach?
[20:06] <fta> better scheduling approach
[20:06] <micahg> asac: do you have a time on thursday?
[20:07] <fta> but it seems they no longer respect the push order
[20:07] <fta> like here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+packages
[20:07] <fta> hardy is building while intrepid is still waiting
[20:08] <asac> micahg: not yet ... i think the summit system needs to be refreshed - so maybe chcek later today
[20:08] <micahg> ok
[20:08] <asac> bug 478691
[20:09] <micahg> fta: building for different versions shouldn't matter as long as push order for the same version is respected
[20:10] <fta> well, i just pointed at this as a proof. in this case, it's not a problem, but but earlier this year, we had an issue because of that
[20:11] <fta> i had to insert delays in the bot
[20:12] <micahg> fta: can you review: http://pastebin.com/f2e521d1a
[20:12] <av`> asac, can I ask you a favour via PM?
[20:13] <asac> go ahead ... i might not b ereally helpful this week though
[20:13] <asac> fta: isnt the upload order important for the orig.tar.gz only?
[20:13] <micahg> asac: build-deps
[20:14] <fta> asac, yes, but who knows how out of order it is now? ;)
[20:15] <fta> micahg, about lightning, i don't know the status of the branch, if any. but would be nice if someone could update it to be daily buildable
[20:15] <micahg> fta: I can look at it this weekend
[20:16] <asac> fta: i dont think its an issue ... the orig.tar.gz problem happens before it enters the queue ... all that is needed is that the orig.tar.gz is accepted before we upload the orig.tar.gz less stuff
[20:16] <asac> so all this is before the whole build scheduling etc.
[20:16] <asac> if you get rejects let me know
[20:17] <micahg> asac: do I need to create a new branch for sunbird/lightning for .head?
[20:18] <micahg> actually...there's no .jaunty branch either
[20:20] <micahg> asac: should I create a .jaunty and .karmic for sunbird and then rename ubuntu-0.x to ubuntu.head?
[20:21] <fta> is the current package recent?
[20:21] <fta> i mean, using cdbs & quilt?
[20:22] <fta> or is it the old stuff?
[20:22]  * micahg is looking
[20:23] <micahg> nd quilt
[20:23] <micahg> yes, cdbs and quilt
[20:24] <fta> strange
[20:24] <fta> but good
[20:39] <fta> chromium-browser                 20296   1.53%      3639    9124    7529       4
[20:39] <fta> google-chrome-unstable           16832   1.27%      4531    6187    6098      16
[20:39] <fta> \o/
[20:39] <bdrung_> asac: ping
[20:55] <fta> dtchen_, how far is sdl on your todo list? i'm getting desperate :(
[21:10] <micahg1> fta: can you review: http://pastebin.com/f2e521d1a <-- tb31 fixes
[21:27] <fta> micahg, diffs of diffs are difficult to read :P
[21:28] <fta> micahg, and btw, it's a new package, so changelog should end-up with just "* Initial release" or something, i'm not sure about how to do give credits in there
[21:30] <micahg> fta: which one?
[21:30] <fta> let me read the bug 1st. mozilla 490817
[21:31] <fta> lol
[21:31] <micahg> fta: the only diff in there was just rebased
[21:32] <fta> wanted to know why license.html was gone
[21:32] <fta> looks ok
[21:33] <micahg> so I'll push the changes then
[21:33] <fta> ok
[21:34] <micahg> do you want to commit your use all cores change on top of it
[21:34] <micahg> ?
[22:05] <fta> i will
[23:40] <fta> micahg, did you fix xul 1.9.2?
[23:49] <micahg> fta: I will later
[23:49] <micahg> the badwindow patch landed
[23:49] <fta> k


[22:45] <NerdyAnarchist> So I've got a few problems with MATE Terminal - first, when I'm trying to change the keyboard shortcuts (the switch tab defaults interfere with irssi), it just randomly closes. Also, setting the title of tabs does not actually change the title. They just stay as "Terminal"


[07:41] <Philoski_> So ForestPiskie removed my user privileges so I can't keep playing with Off Topic... But why'd he jail my entire thread "to the community" and keep the other one "To Off Topic"... Is it as a monument to Off Topics dumbass reply that shows his lack of networking know how or is it to make me look bad?


[05:24] <Mingor> hello
[06:59] <m0n5t3r_> +1 for tinc; chroots are annoying, tho (can't autostart services, for instance... if I want to start tor I need to open a terminal, enter passphrase, sudo blah-blah-start-tor-in-chroot, enter passphrase again, etc.)
[07:05] <m0n5t3r_> the sooner the OS starts being treated like an OS and not like an apple device the better
[07:22] <duflu> Is "Flickable" what we use for all our scrolling areas? For some reason I thought it was a bespoke widget. Or is our delivery of input events to Flickable the bespoke bit?
[08:53] <duflu> greyback: Is there any aspect of Flickable that we customize? I find it surprising a core Qt element is so bad at responding to various input devices
[08:54] <duflu> Seems to be the same in X
[08:54] <greyback> duflu: it is designed primarily for touch input, mouse support is an add-on only. No we're not customizing it.
[08:55] <duflu> greyback: Yeah mouse wheels and similarly touchpad scrolling (which is almost the same thing)
[08:55] <greyback> duflu: there is a long standing bug with mouse wheel alright, accel goes nuts
[08:55] <duflu> greyback: And with touchpads, it's worse :)
[08:55] <greyback> probably same code path and bug
[08:56] <greyback> should be fixable
[08:56] <duflu> greyback: Curious that rapid wheel scrolling goes almost ignored. Almost like they're ignoring some events or bad at velocity calculation
[08:57] <duflu> Perhaps using velocity is the problem. For mouse wheels at least you just want position (not "flickable")
[08:57] <duflu> To make a Flickable scroll faster you actually have to move your wheel slower
[09:00] <greyback> I don't know, I've not investigated it
[09:01] <duflu> Never mind. Sounds like a fun project for a rainy day
[09:02] <duflu> Or in Australia for a sunny day (the sun is equally limiting sometimes)
[09:03] <greyback> duflu: here is the code: https://code.woboq.org/qt5/qtdeclarative/src/quick/items/qquickflickable.cpp.html#1401
[09:03] <duflu> greyback: Thanks. Now back to normal programming...
[09:04] <greyback> o/
[09:04] <duflu> greyback: Can you work around that wrong subpixel order for a while? Might be a good idea to s/unknown/hrgb/ anyway for monitors like mine
[09:04] <greyback> duflu: you can try "QT_SUBPIXEL_AA_TYPE=RGB/BGR/VRGB/VBGR" env var
[09:05] <duflu> OK then
[09:05] <greyback> but I'm not convinved it is subpixel to blame for some of the fonts
[09:05] <duflu> Me too. Depending on what "native rendering" is
[09:06] <greyback> native is not using distance-field, just drawing the glyphs using harfbuzz/freetype to a texture exactly as needed for each string
[09:07] <duflu> greyback: Good. But is it rendering to a texels which are the same size as the pixels? :)
[09:07] <duflu> -a
[09:07] <greyback> should be
[09:07] <duflu> Worth checking, otherwise hinting will never look right
[09:08] <duflu> But it should be
[09:12] <duflu> cimi: Our current GTK overlay scrollbars... are they custom or GTK default?
[09:12] <duflu> I forget when GTK default looks like
[09:13] <duflu> -when +what
[10:03] <duflu> Never mind. I just shotgunned multiple projects. Will figure it out later
[10:58] <Ubport-user|1298> hy
[10:58] <Ubport-user|1298> Someone can help me?
[15:18] <akhil_surabhi> hello, i'm trying to port ubuntu touch to redmi note 3 (snap dragon). it is released with android 5.1 but it doesn't have cm12.1. is it possible to port?
[15:47] <akhil_surabhi> someone please help
[15:47] <genii> !porting
[15:47] <genii> Hm
[15:51] <dobey> akhil_surabhi: if you don't have the kernel source tree, and binary blobs, you can't port to the device.
[15:52] <akhil_surabhi> dobey: i have kernel source (cm13 and xiaomi official source), blobs too
[15:53] <dobey> akhil_surabhi: which kernel version is it?
[15:54] <akhil_surabhi> dobey: 3.10.x
[15:56] <dobey> akhil_surabhi: so should be doable. you just need to apply the appropriate patches and get things built. it probably won't work 100% straight away, but you should be able to move forward with it
[15:56] <akhil_surabhi> dobey: okay, can i use this https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource/tree/kenzo-l-oss
[15:57] <dobey> akhil_surabhi: i would guess so. i don't know.
[15:58] <akhil_surabhi> dobey: okay, and the guide says cm12.1 and android-6.0.x. Which one should i follow?
[16:00] <akhil_surabhi> dobey: i mean, if i choose cm, then is there something like phablet-5.X.X_rX or something like that in https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/p/aosp/platform/manifest.git?
[16:01] <dobey> i don't know enough to answer that
[16:05] <akhil_surabhi> dobey: okay, thanks
[18:11] <brunch875> guys I just realized how fantastic the display of notifications is in the utouch
[18:12] <brunch875> notify-osd on the desktop seems lacking once you're used to those :)
[18:14] <dobey> ?
[18:15] <brunch875> dobey, you know in the ubuntu phone when you get spammed with messages how well notifications behave?
[18:15] <brunch875> with one stepping on top of the other
[18:15] <dobey> i don't get spammed with messages, so not exactly
[18:16] <dobey> you mean the content gets replaced if you get a second sms from the same person while the notification is up?
[18:16] <brunch875> and if I recall correctly, it also stacks another notification beneath the new one
[18:16] <brunch875> you can swipe them aside
[18:17] <brunch875> it has this whole realtime feel to it
[18:17] <dobey> well notifications from different "sources" get stacked, yes
[18:17] <brunch875> does unity8 have similar notifications?
[18:17] <dobey> unity8 is the same on all device types
[18:20] <nedstark> out of stock at that link above https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-aquaris-m10
[18:21] <mterry> Saviq: I've forgotten what we did to get rid of the "graphics-mesa-kms.so.12: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" message?  All the Mir issues blend together in my head
[18:22] <Saviq> mterry, upgrade the host
[18:22] <Saviq> no, actually
[18:22] <Saviq> refresh the snap
[18:22] <dobey> mterry: the u8 snap needed rebuilt, and the host needed to be updated
[18:23] <Saviq> the above means host has 0.26.1, but snap does not
[18:23] <dobey> or well, it was .so.11, and depending whether you were on zesty or xenial, you had a different problem
[18:23] <mterry> Saviq: ah -- I'm getting it when trying to switch u8 snap to use mir-libs -- I guess mir-libs needs updating here
[18:24] <dobey> though if it's moving to use the mir-libs snap, there may be another problem there
[18:24] <Saviq> mterry, yes, that'd be it
[18:24] <Saviq> mir-libs not having 0.26.1
[18:24] <Saviq> (well, or unity8 not being able to find it)
[18:24] <mterry> AlbertA: ^ can you update mir-libs to 0.26.1?
[18:24] <dobey> well, or it does have it, but the plug/slot isn't connected
[18:24] <dobey> or something along those lines
[18:25] <mterry> it is connected.  mir-libs has .11 in it
[19:07] <nosgoth> hello
[19:08] <nosgoth> anybody implemented ubuntu touch on meiZu 5 pro?
[19:10] <dobey> the pro 5 is an officially supported device. or do you mean mx5 pro (which is a different device)?
[19:11] <nosgoth> thx , i have to chec ask abuntu as well
[19:13] <nedstark> nosgoth: this video explains how to put it on an android version of that phone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIvhHcJ2LCI
[19:14] <nosgoth> thank you very much
[19:15] <nosgoth> soon i get the phone, i'll install ota 13 on it
[19:19] <AlbertA> mterry: sure, pmcgowan: are you cool with that? (updating mir-libs)
[19:20] <AlbertA> pmcgowan: have the demos transitioned now?
[19:20] <pmcgowan> AlbertA, he did not answer so I am thinking not
[19:21] <pmcgowan> AlbertA, the show runs one more day
[19:22] <AlbertA> mterry: so I've been waiting for that ^ that's why mir-libs hasn't been updated...
[19:43] <mterry> AlbertA: waiting for what?  demo stuff? sure
[19:43] <AlbertA> mterry: right
[19:43] <mterry> AlbertA: k
[19:43] <pmcgowan> sorry guys, checking with him
[19:44] <AlbertA> though can't you ping things if you install a specific revision?
[19:44] <AlbertA> pin
[19:44] <mterry> on snappy? maybe not
[19:44] <pmcgowan> AlbertA, I don't think so
[19:48] <dobey> well you can manually install a local snap file
[19:49] <dobey> which won't get automatically updated from the store, since it was a local snap file
[19:49] <dobey> but i don't think you can pin versions from the store, or even necessarily choose when an update happens
[19:49] <mterry> true
[19:50] <mterry> AlbertA: or we can promote a version to a diff channel for demo and keep edge up to date
[19:50] <mterry> but anyway, I can also wait
[19:50] <AlbertA> mterry: yeah I promoted to beta
[19:53] <pmcgowan> mterry, we did that (too late) but I am not sure they switched
[19:54] <pmcgowan> the ability to disable updates coincided with this, murphy
[20:05] <aiyion> m0n5t3r_: thanks, that is what I think. For now I'm wiping my system everytime a new canonical update appears, resize partitions, restore my files, restore previous installed commandline-software and syncronize calendars as well as contacts
[20:07] <dobey> "like an OS" is an unhelpful comment. iOS is an OS, even if you don't like it. and a phone isn't a traditional x86 PC.
[20:07] <aiyion> quite an effort just to take the full potential...
[20:08] <m0n5t3r_> I was talking about the "phone is an appliance you don't need to bother your pretty head with" mentality :)
[20:08] <m0n5t3r_> my head ain't pretty :P
[20:08] <dobey> that's not the mentality
[20:08] <aiyion> correct, not x86. But armhf works as well, for my purposes.
[20:11] <aiyion> For the moment ubuntu touch seems to be the the nearest a phone can come to a useful device.
[20:11] <m0n5t3r_> hopefully when we get snaps and I find the time to learn how to create them things will improve and you'll get your read-only root FS and app / UI isolation, and people who want to use it more like a pocket computer can still install OS-level stuff easier
[20:11] <dobey> my 20 year old nokia is a "useful device"
[20:12] <aiyion> nice one dobey ^^
[20:13] <aiyion> But I like my phone to work like my pc or server does.
[20:14] <dobey> i could go buy the most powerful phone on the market, and even if i installed raw ubuntu on it, it would never "work like my pc or server does"
[20:15] <aiyion> Well in certain aspects it does, i guess.
[20:16] <aiyion> But thats an opinion probably based on my favour for the cli.
[20:16] <dobey> but i can buy a pci adapter that takes a sim card, and make phone calls on my pc
[20:17] <aiyion> correct.
[20:17] <dobey> even just the cli. there are plenty of tasks which a phone is simply not suitable for
[20:17] <UbuntuUser> Does ubuntu touch take code contributions and where would I find information on those for like various programming languages? (The main languages I have/had programmed in are Java, C#, Python, and SQL)
[20:17] <aiyion> as well you can share the capabilities of your phone with the ones of your pc, which would be easrier, imho
[20:18] <m0n5t3r_> talking about notifications: where should I complain that SMS notifications show up for a few seconds even with a locked screen? this makes it very convenient when, say, you pay something and the bank sends you a confirmation code by SMS...
[20:19] <dobey> UbuntuUser: there is nothing particularly special about "touch" in terms of contributions. there is no "touch" really. there is only ubuntu. ubuntu is always taking contributions
[20:19] <aiyion> dobey: youre right for sure. But that does not stand in conflict with what I'm saying :)
[20:20] <dobey> i mean, sure, you can run apache on your phone. but if you want to actually have a protable "phone" device, then it's only a novelty to run it. nothing especially useful about being able to do so
[20:21] <dobey> m0n5t3r_: your complaint is that the notifications DO show up on the locked screen?
[20:21] <m0n5t3r_> yes
[20:22] <dobey> i'm confused. how would making them NOT show up there, be more convenient in the situation you described?
[20:22] <aiyion> dobey: What I can do is taking the project I'm develpoing for customers with me in my right pocket. That paired with the abbility to show them fully working on my phone like they will in the future on a server, is quite nice.
[20:22] <m0n5t3r_> it's locked for a reason, this is a security hole
[20:23] <m0n5t3r_> there is a reason why I gave the bank example
[20:28] <aiyion> m0n5t3r_: wasnt there something under the settings -> privacy?
[20:28] <m0n5t3r_> as for running "unsanctioned" software, I mostly want to use tor, other VPNs than openvpn, or make openvpn start at boot, or have crons / periodic tasks to do backups / contact sync / calendar sync (because the required plumbing is there, but there is no UI for it)
[20:29] <m0n5t3r_> aiyion: yes it is, you can disable the launcher and the top bar, but notifications still flash on the screen for like 2-3 seconds
[20:29] <dobey> why not work with developers to get the UI for it into the system and available to everyone?
[20:30] <aiyion> m0n5t3r_: I see
[20:32] <dobey> i don't think there is any way to specify notification "privilege" levels, to do what android does there. would require quite a bit of work. though i wish android did it better too
[20:37] <m0n5t3r_> dobey: mostly lack of time; also I have absolutely no idea what to do; I remember reading some questions about it a while ago, but now my search yields mostly syncevolution stuff (what I use now) and some discourse.ubuntu.com links, but discourse.ubuntu.com is ded


[01:23] <StevenLiu> Hi
[01:24] <StevenLiu> is there hava a UNR src tar ?
[11:16] <Lantizia> Hey will we see Ubuntu Mobile on the N900 eventually?
[11:17] <Lantizia> I notice theres Ubuntu MID for McCaslin and Menlow types of devices... not sure what exactly they are
[11:17] <Lantizia> hmm UMPC's
[11:30] <persia> It's a bit of a complicated set of questions you've asked.
[11:30] <persia> So, there's been some confusion and changes related to "Ubuntu Mobile"
[11:30] <persia> So the ubuntu-mid project is mostly gone.
[11:30] <Lantizia> ah :S
[11:30] <persia> Some of the goals are being taken over by the lubuntu and liquid efforts.
[11:31] <persia> No, it's a good thing.
[11:31] <Lantizia> So LXDE on an armel compiled ubuntu on my N900 ?
[11:31] <Lantizia> sounds V nice :D
[11:31] <persia> The "Ubuntu MID" effort was a bunch of hacks to kinda make some hacked hildon stuff work badly.
[11:31] <persia> And lots of it was also architecture-specific.
[11:32] <persia> Replacing it with focused projects trying to accomplish specific UI goals, and separating that from the hardware efforts should result in a better overall solution.
[11:32] <persia> Unfortunately, it means that right now, things are a bit of a muddle.
[11:32] <persia> Right.
[11:32] <Lantizia> well see Mer got something out of it
[11:32] <persia> So, Ubuntu tries to compile *everything* for all the available architectures.
[11:32] <Lantizia> Badly
[11:32] <persia> And the lubuntu folk are focusing on application set and integration of an lxde environment for *any* architecture.
[11:33] <persia> So, assuming that both efforts work, you'll end up being able to do as you describe.
[11:33] <persia> Badly?
[11:33] <Lantizia> Yeah, the LXDE folks do that with Debian too
[11:33] <Lantizia> Yeah if Ubuntu was on a mission to run on every type of machine... they'd keep the same types of where they're forking from... Debian
[11:34] <Lantizia> Not i386... amd64 only
[11:34] <persia> My apologies: I was unclear.
[11:34] <Lantizia> But anyway!
[11:34] <persia> The goal is *not* to run on any machine.  Debian is the universal OS.
[11:34] <Lantizia> Yeah :D
[11:34] <persia> But Ubuntu does work on i386, amd64, powerpc, armel, sparc, and ia64.
[11:34] <Lantizia> but only officially supports i386 and amd64
[11:35] <persia> Well, what does "support" mean :)
[11:35] <persia> At least I personally use amd64, powerpc, and armel, and use systems that rely on sparc working.
[11:35] <Lantizia> i.e. advertised on the main site and they're paid canonical developers can be arsed with
[11:35] <persia> Yeah, well.
[11:35] <Lantizia> hehe :D
[11:36] <Lantizia> Anyway were a bit off topic
[11:36] <persia> So, back to the topic.
[11:36] <persia> Big issues you'll have today with your goal:
[11:36] <persia> 1) the lubuntu stuff in karmic wasn't as polished as we'd like.  It should be better for lucid, but it's early for lucid.
[11:37] <persia> IF you're up for helping with UI integration and stuff, this is a good thing, but if you just want an installed system, you may do better to wait.
[11:37] <Lantizia> Yeah LXDE wasn't ready for 9.10 I know
[11:37] <Lantizia> But should be for 10.04 LTS
[11:37] <persia> 2) I'm not sure if there are open N900 kernels that support everything, and I am sure that none of the kernels currently in Ubuntu support the N900.
[11:38] <persia> Userspace should be fine (although if you encounter issues, the folks in #ubuntu-arm can probably help troubleshoot, or if you're the type, you can help them to get them fixed :) )
[11:38] <persia> I doubt that the lxde stack will end up being LTS for 10.04.
[11:39] <persia> Might be, but that requires enough developers still wanting to maintain it after 18 months to keep doing so, and last I checked the lxde folk in Ubuntu didn't seem large enough to both create a new release every 18 months *and* support LTS releases.
[11:39] <persia> Mind you, the core of Ubuntu will be LTS, but it wouldn't surprise me if some LXDE-specific bugs just didn't get fixed, or some LXDE-specific packages just didn't get the long-term support.
[11:42] <Lantizia> I have very little faith in the LTS releases being bug free never mind the other releases hehe
[11:43] <Lantizia> I use ubuntu for it's up to date packages... not stability hehe
[11:43] <persia> No code is bug free.
[11:43] <Lantizia> Oh sure I know that
[11:43] <Lantizia> I just wouldn't install Ubuntu on like a server or anything
[11:44] <persia> Even something simple like void main (argc, **argv) { printf("Hello World\n");} contains heaps of bugs.
[11:44] <persia> I use it on a server every day: it depends on which bugs affect you :)
[11:44] <Lantizia> Your certainly a talkative one
[11:44] <Lantizia> So Ubuntu MID on N900... not planned, not done
[11:44] <persia> Yeah, well.
[11:44] <Lantizia> OK
[11:45] <persia> Last I heard, there were issues with kernels for Nokia devices.
[11:45] <persia> There's some people who do stuff on babbage boards, which have nearly the same chip as some of the Nokia handhelds.
[11:45] <persia> But that's a bit different.
[11:45] <persia> I suppose it could be done, but someone would have to do it.
[11:46] <persia> And there's limits to what can be done entirely within Ubuntu (like the issues the Mer folk had in trying to find a way to make Mer libgtk compatible with Ubuntu libgtk and not break other use cases).
[16:45] <Lantizia> Should ARM packages work on an armel distro/device?
[22:26] <r0k3tm3n> any success running a mobile image on a Asus EEE 701?
[23:33] <persia> Lantizia: packages compiled for armel should work on an armel device with sufficient processor support (ARMv5 for 9.04, ARMv6+vfp for 9.10, ARMv7+ for lucid).  No promises they work with any other ARM distro (Ubuntu only seeks source compatibility, not binary compatibility)
[23:35] <persia> r0k3tm3n: There hasn't been a "Mobile" image since 7.10 (gutsy).  I suspect that some subset of the netbook or MID images ought to work, and perhaps even the 8.10 UMPC image (although that is nearing end-of-life).


[00:01] <daftykins> i pay my way by checking their trays atm :>
[00:01] <daftykins> alrighty time to scoot, things to do!
[00:02] <penguin42> kittens to fix, pipes to feed
[00:02] <daftykins> yipyipyip!
[00:02] <daftykins> haha i got quoted £1200+ by the local telco for an analog phone system for 4 users, i can do that with FreePBX on a spare PC and buy some IP phones and PoE switch etc for £500
[00:34] <daftykins> oh Vista is EOL today \o/ glorious
[01:19] <diddledan> yey vista
[07:44] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:45] <SuperMatt> howdoo moodoo
[07:45] <foobarry> this channel was dying until the latest ubuntu announcement. funny how that works
[07:45] <SuperMatt> You should see fedora-uk, no crazy news there, so no one says a word!
[07:46] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: I said morning ;) that's the most action in there lol
[07:46] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: I could op and kick someone just for fun :)
[08:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:18] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:19] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:03] <TwistedLucidity> Can you imagine if tech news was reported like politics?
[09:04] <davmor2> You mean it isn't
[09:04] <davmor2> Morning all by the way
[09:05] <TwistedLucidity> Well I haven't seen "SHUTTLEWORTH IN DESKTOP U-TURN - Destroys the dreams of millions" or something like that
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> and in todays news emacs still sucks, long live vim... :-)
[09:06] <TwistedLucidity> Actually, no. It'd be "SHUTTLEWORTH IN YET ANOTHER FAILURE - Surely he must make way for a new leader?"
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> then he takes his football AND money home with him...
[09:06] <TwistedLucidity> All I've seen is "Ubuntu to use GNOME. Well....blow me."
  I have Ubuntu 16.04, and a canon mx925 printer. Error messages include "There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'failed to connect to server'." and "Failed to start cups-browsed.service: Unit cups.service is masked." I can only see 'generic' printer listed also a message saying 'printer rejecting jobs' or similar
[09:56] <Nokaji> Okay, with fixing broken packages (synaptic) I now get:-  "E: cups-browsed: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1"
[09:58] <Nokaji> minor emergency ... bbiab 10mins...
[10:08] <TwistedLucidity> It's 2017 and we (by that I mean, IT in general) still can't make reliable printers.
[10:09] <popey> Printers are devices for causing pain. They also sometimes print stuff.
[10:09] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Too right
[10:10] <BigRedS> It's 2017, we ought not *need* reliable printers
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> Uh...yeah, we do
[10:11] <foobarry> getting "invalid partition table!" after a linux install :(
[10:11] <foobarry> i hit return and then get the grub loader and continues correctly
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> For example, I am going to need a working printer to spew out a few CVs
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> And a working printer to pump our a few photos I want to frame.
[10:12] <TwistedLucidity> Now, some of that I could send to be printed for me...but guess what they need, reliable printers!
[10:12] <foobarry> oh thats a dell bios message :|
[10:13] <TwistedLucidity> UEFI? FakeRaid?
[10:13] <TwistedLucidity> Or actual Old Skool BIOS?
[10:14] <foobarry> i disabled UEFI
[10:14] <foobarry> but it seems to be a werid dell issue
[10:15] <popey> why disable UEFI?
[10:15] <popey> does the distro not support it?
[10:15] <foobarry> i was trying to get this thing to work
[10:15] <popey> oh
[10:15] <foobarry> didn't realise it was the poxy bios
[10:15] <Nokaji> pain indeed ...
[10:16] <Nokaji> printer is one of the best I've had, not that the standard junk provides much competition to it
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> Nokaji: Currently your issue isn't with the printer, but some jiggered update (you know that, of course). Unfortunately that online message only says that a script failed, not *why* it failed.
[10:21] <TwistedLucidity> Seems that somewhere along the way your CUPS install became hosed.
[10:21] <TwistedLucidity> You might be quickest to purge it and do a fresh install (not sure what files you may wish to back up first though)
[10:28] <Nokaji> frsh install of cups stuff only?
[10:30] <TwistedLucidity> "cups-browsed" at the very least. I'm no expert, not had a failure like this myself.
[10:30] <Nokaji> okay, well it's the only plan I have so I guess I'll try it - might get me past whatever the incompatability is
[10:30] <TwistedLucidity> But yes, only CUPS should be affected. Don't reinstall your whole system!
[10:30] <Nokaji> Fine, I don't see what could go wrong with trying it :)
[10:31] <TwistedLucidity> Famous last words.....
[10:32] <Nokaji> It's kinda a brute force resolution and I'm always curious as to the precise nature of the problem but right now I need a functioning printer and this offers the hope of a resolution
[10:32] <Nokaji> 3...2...1... !
[10:54] <Nokaji> just some slight feedback ... have a lot of 'interruptions' going on right now however I have, it would apear, connected my smartphone to the print so at least I have an option to d/l file to phone and then print ...
[11:07] <foobarry> is there any way to update dell bios on linux?
[11:07] <foobarry> on modern laptops?
[11:08] <Laney> you can write the exe to a usb stick
[11:09] <foobarry> oh? and then what? flash from setup?
[11:10] <foobarry> thanks, i'll have a look at that
[11:10] <acheronUK> F2 boot menu option IIRC
[11:11] <acheronUK> or F12 even
[11:12] <foobarry> requires a dos boot usb...
[11:15] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Last time I looked at it, Dell's position was "Windows or GTFO"
[11:16] <foobarry> i'll let you know shortly
[11:16] <zmoylan-pi> last time i did it they supplied an iso to do the job... write the iso to usb or cd boot and go and fingers crossed
[11:28] <foobarry> :o its working!
[11:28] <foobarry> unetbootin->freedos cp bios.exe ->/media/blah
[11:29] <foobarry> thanks Laney :D
[11:30] <penguin42> firmware upgrade?
[11:31] <Laney> woot
[11:34] <davmor2> it's almost like Laney knows what he is on about
[11:34] <davmor2> only almost though
[11:35] <foobarry> didn't fix my weird dell problem though
[11:35] <foobarry> its a terrible laptop. brings shame on the name on latitudes
[11:35] <Laney> davmor2: fast internet connection -> google -> irc
[11:36] <Laney> -> ??? -> profit
[11:36] <Laney> not really in this case; having an XPS 13 taught me that nugget :)
[11:36]  * davmor2 changes Laney to Jeeves
[11:36] <davmor2> foobarry: why not try it with uefi enabled instead
[11:36] <foobarry> i did originally
[11:36] <foobarry> will try again
[11:37] <davmor2> foobarry: you just need a 64bit os then with uefi enabled on it
[11:37] <foobarry> need to install OS again tho
[11:37] <foobarry> what do i need for UEFI? that bios-grub 1MB partition?
[12:35] <foobarry> https://www.facebook.com/FowlLanguageComics/photos/a.493300127413692.1073741826.481912555219116/1316068315136865/?type=3&theater
[12:35] <foobarry> lol
[12:39] <foobarry> UEFI mode, install "file system not found"
[12:39] <foobarry> with ubuntu
[12:41] <davmor2> foobarry: Dell has to see a file called bootx64.efi or it can't boot anything from memory you can manually add it though if you have installed it
[12:41] <foobarry> works with legacy mode now after trashing the whole disk
[13:23] <foobarry> ah gnome on wayland is an option on the ubuntu gnome login page
[14:12] <foobarry> my flirtation with gnomebuntu ended when it cooked my laptop
[14:13] <SuperEngineer> you should have had some vinegar to put on the chips!
[14:23] <zmoylan-pi> if it had a nvidia chipset you could have cooked the fish too
[14:50] <foobarry> oh elementary i'm sorry for doubting you
[15:09] <SuperEngineer> yup - it's a well known fact that fish and chips tastes much better with Elementary OS
[15:10] <SuperEngineer> but for a superlative taste you need to cook it with
[15:10] <SuperEngineer> solus
[15:11] <SuperEngineer> [sorry for swearing / using the "s" word]
[15:11] <davmor2> soap
[15:16] <SuperEngineer> hmmm.... wondered why that lingering smell stayed even after closing windows
[16:48] <davmor2> MooDoo: this isn't funny dude I Can't find Nothing under your linkedin accounts Knows about section
[16:49] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: nothing heat related about nvidia gear in laptops
[16:49] <daftykins> very broad statement about UEFI on Dells there too, davmor2 - i doubt it's every single one :>
[16:51] <davmor2> daftykins: it is all uefi systems are designed to look for that as it is Windows default install file, and most will just stop looking if that file isn't there you can actually touch the file into place and then it will search and find it
[16:51] <davmor2> daftykins: most manufactures work around it
[16:52] <daftykins> yeah it sounded like you were trying to say they're all defective, which isn't accurate
[16:52] <davmor2> daftykins: Dells own ubuntu install contains the file
[16:52] <daftykins> and yip, gave many years of boot help over in #ubuntu :>
[16:52] <daftykins> still you made it out to be every single one :>
[16:52] <daftykins> (being locked to the Windows boot image, that is - which isn't accurate)
[16:53] <daftykins> preachin' to the choir
[17:35] <diddledan> daftykins: you can sing?!
[17:35] <diddledan> I thought that was a children's thing
[17:35] <daftykins> cor, the days might be shorts weather but the evenings definitely aren't :>
[17:36] <diddledan> I certainly haven't been able to sing ever since I got facefur
[17:37] <daftykins> that's no excuse!
[17:37] <diddledan> oh it is. I scare people if I try
[19:43]  * penguin42 wonders what that was supposed to be replaced by - a webpage which has [#code snippet_241_queue-it-IGGB-Apply-now-link#]  visible
[19:53] <diddledan> Immediately Giant Green Balls?
[19:53] <diddledan> it's an application for something
[20:49] <daftykins> In-case Giant Giraffes Bomb
[20:49] <zmoylan-pi> it's the mutant llamas you have to watch out for...
[20:54]  * penguin42 worries more about looming llamas and mutant monkeys
[20:54] <penguin42> or perhaps we should worry about the future effect on the naming standards
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> they could always use the creatures from the beastiary of d&d... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Advanced_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_1st_edition_monsters
[21:07] <daftykins> haha my mate that lives in Tokyo these days flew back to the UK for some physics award, they spelt 'physics' wrong on the certificate XD
[21:10] <zmoylan-pi> oddly my landlord runs a travel agency and they had 4 clocks with times on the wall and tokyo was spelt toyko for 10+ years and no one noticed...
[21:10] <daftykins> :D
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> hmmm, i picked up a bt shower radio for a tenner... a waterproof radio with bt funtionality... so you can take calls while washing your giblets... not sure the 21st century is going that well...
[21:50] <daftykins> is that all it does? no sending music to it too from said phone or some such?
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> oh you can send podcasts or music from any bt device to it... but i'd end up using it for fm radio mostly i suspect
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> ireland like the uk has a reasonably decent radio service even if we all complain about it all the time...
[22:08] <diddledan> BT functionality? similar to VirginMedia functionality?
[22:08] <diddledan> huh?
[22:08] <diddledan> wtf is a BT Shower Radio?!
[22:09] <diddledan> I didn't know they made such things. telephones they sell badged as BT but that's about it
[22:16] <daftykins> there's a telco engineer in his shower!
[22:16] <daftykins> still, he at least has a shower ;_;
[22:18] <penguin42> some people I know might get higher bandwidth through the plumbing
[22:20] <daftykins> :>
[22:28] <zmoylan-pi> something like this... https://www.amazon.com/Vtin-Portable-Bluetooth-Speaker-Waterproof/dp/B01JP8XRUM/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1491949641&sr=8-8&keywords=bluetooth+shower+radio
[22:29] <popey> i have this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00T2BJ22U
[22:29] <popey> good for the price
[22:30] <popey> never taken a phone call with it, in the shower. don't plan to
[22:30] <zmoylan-pi> again with a builtin microphone... is there a rash of people making calls from their showers?!
[22:31] <daftykins> there's a challenge for you both, call into BBC Radio 2 from mid-day tomorrow to join in on a chat show segment with Jeremy Vine
[22:31] <daftykins> start to make your point then just flick the shower on and go to town
[22:31] <zmoylan-pi> sorry for the noise... i dropped the soap...
[22:34] <zmoylan-pi> i'm just surprised they don't do a videophone version...
[22:34] <daftykins> it's probably coming!
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> the marketing department is just so narcisitic that they keep nicking them for /testing/


[08:16] <timblechmann> hi, i've uploaded a wrong tarball to my ppa, and now i cannot re-upload, as this file already exists in my ppa with different content.
[08:16] <timblechmann> what is the best way to solve this?
[13:12] <TheFred> hello
[13:13] <TheFred> I'm having an error from quickly when i run 'quickly package'... :  "An error has occurred when creating debian packaging"
[13:14] <TheFred> there is no further information provided to me
[13:14] <TheFred> can anyone help?
[15:15] <roasted> hello!
[15:15] <roasted> how can I find the bugs I commented on?
[15:43] <Qaghan> I have a problem with my ssh key on linux. I followed the Bazaar in five minutes guide word for word but still ended up with the "Permission denied (publickey).
[15:43] <Qaghan> ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying
[15:43] <Qaghan> Permission denied (publickey)." error
[15:43] <Qaghan> What am I doing wrong?!
[15:53] <Qaghan> I guess nobody knows, huh? :/
[17:14] <TheFred> hello
[21:46] <TheFred> hello
[21:51] <lifeless> hello
[21:51] <TheLordOfTime> olleh