[12:19] <Mez> seth_k, ping
[12:19] <seth_k> Mez. pong
[12:19] <Mez>  check AIM seth :D
[01:10] <DavidLeeRoth> Hey yall
[01:18] <nxv__> i just started amarok and added some dirs with mp3s but it doesn't show anything in the collection
[01:29] <seth_k> nxv__ see if you have libmad installed
[01:30] <seth_k> gstreamer0.8-mad as well as libmad0
[01:30] <seth_k> those are necessary for mp3 decoding
[01:31] <uniq> or, if you use arts.. akode-mpeg
[01:32] <seth_k> too late, he left :/
[01:32] <seth_k> hm, but thanks uniq, I'll file that away for future reference
[01:33] <uniq> you can use !learn item description. to teach kinfo stuff too..
[01:33] <uniq> ?? motu
[01:33] <kinfo> [MOTU]  Masters of the Universe are the brave souls who try to keep your universe in shape. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[01:33] <seth_k> heh, why don't they just have ubotu work both channels
[01:33] <seth_k> so we don't have to double-teach
[01:34] <uniq> dunno, i just setup kinfo because we didn't have a infobot. got tired of explaining the same things all the time.
[01:34] <seth_k> fair do's
[01:38] <supernix> Ok great finally I have the DVD
[01:39] <supernix> I can't believe it but someone actually rated it as a 2/5 and said it did not have good hardware detection
[01:40] <seth_k> where?
[01:40] <seth_k> ubuntu has amazing hw detection for me, second only to suse
[01:41] <drawagoat> hey what are those system info side panels u always see in linux desktop screenshots?
[01:41] <drawagoat> the cool looking clear ones with like weather and processor load
[01:41] <uniq> gkrellm
[01:42] <uniq> or gdesklets, or karamba.
[01:42] <drawagoat> u use one of em?
[01:42] <uniq> http://www.muhri.net/gkrellm -gkrellm themes screenshots and such.
[01:42] <seth_k> superkaramba for me
[01:42] <uniq> i don't use any of them.
[01:43] <seth_k> KDE -> superkaramba; Gnome -> gkrellm or gdesklets
[01:43] <seth_k> you can install them all through apt
[01:43] <drawagoat> yea i think im goonna test out karamba
[01:43] <uniq> more annoying than useful to me.
[01:43] <drawagoat> im a sucker for useless stuff with transparency
[01:43] <seth_k> haha
[01:43] <seth_k> me too
[01:43] <uniq> heh.
[01:43] <drawagoat> i always try to configure everything to look clear and stuff but it always jsut messes everything up
[01:43] <drawagoat> haha
[01:44] <uniq> My desktop is pretty much default kubuntu.. not much changes.
[01:44] <drawagoat> how would i use apt-get to get it...? like "apt-get superkaramba" ?
[01:45] <uniq> apt-get install superkaramba
[01:45] <uniq> or just use kynaptic to install it.
[01:45] <drawagoat> i couldnt find it thru kynaptic
[01:46] <seth_k> drawagoat: you will need to enable universe repositories
[01:46] <drawagoat> alrihgt
[01:46] <seth_k> would you like help doing that?
[01:46] <drawagoat> yea apt-get dont find it =either
[01:46] <drawagoat> i should be able to do it
[01:46] <seth_k> okay
[01:49] <drawagoat> goat@klaptop:~$ sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[01:49] <drawagoat> Reading package lists... Done
[01:49] <drawagoat> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:49] <drawagoat> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:49] <drawagoat> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[01:49] <drawagoat> E: Couldn't find package superkaramba
[01:49] <seth_k> drawagoat: run sudo aptitude update
[01:49] <seth_k> before you try to install it
[01:49] <drawagoat> k whats that command do?
[01:49] <seth_k> it updates your package lists
[01:49] <seth_k> since you added the universe
[01:49] <drawagoat> o i see
[01:49] <drawagoat> cool thanks
[01:49] <seth_k> now you need to get the list of packages in universe
[01:49] <drawagoat> yea
[01:49] <seth_k> btw, aptitude is a drop-in replacement for apt-get. I prefer it over apt-get
[01:50] <seth_k> uniq, help me with kinfo syntax?
[01:51] <uniq> !learn item description goes here
[01:51] <kinfo> Inprinted item (memory injection successful)
[01:51] <uniq> ?? item
[01:51] <kinfo> [item]  description goes here
[01:51] <seth_k> great, thank you.
[01:51] <uniq> !relearn item new description
[01:51] <kinfo> [item]  has a different meaning to me now
[01:51] <uniq> !! ite
[01:51] <kinfo> [*ite*]  item
[01:52] <uniq> !cs descri
[01:52] <kinfo> [*descri*]  item restrictedformats
[01:52] <uniq> !forget item
[01:52] <kinfo> item was supressed
[01:52] <uniq> !cs is content search.
[01:52] <kinfo> [*is*]  apt-pinning components sources.list WYSIWYG
[01:52] <uniq> heh.
[01:52] <seth_k> :D
[01:52] <seth_k> !learn aptitude A drop-in replacement for apt-get. It features many enhancements over apt-get with no learning curve. For more information on its advantages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html
[01:52] <kinfo> Inprinted aptitude (memory injection successful)
[01:52] <seth_k> ?? aptitude
[01:52] <kinfo> [aptitude]  A drop-in replacement for apt-get. It features many enhancements over apt-get with no learning curve. For more information on its advantages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html
[01:52] <uniq> there is also a webinterface. at http://frode.kde.no/kinfo/
[01:53] <seth_k> shiny
[01:53] <drawagoat> so i could do "aptitude install superkaramba" ?
[01:53] <uniq> yes.
[01:53] <seth_k> sudo aptitude install superkaramba
[01:53] <seth_k> indeed
[01:53] <uniq> aptitute is great because it keeps track of the history.
[01:54] <uniq> i don't use it, because i'm to addicted to apt-get.. typing aptitude is alot of work compared to the good old apt-get and apt-cache :]
[01:54] <seth_k> also, it can tell when a package is no longer being used (e.g., no reverse-depends) and remove it
[01:55] <drawagoat> it had to get xmms for superkaramba?
[01:55] <drawagoat> msut be some part of listing what audio ur playing or something
[01:55] <seth_k> drawagoat: that's correct
[01:55] <drawagoat> doest work with amarok or what?
[01:55] <seth_k> yes, it does
[01:55] <seth_k> drawagoat: that's an advantage of using aptitude. If you remove superkarmaba in the future, it will remember that you installed xmms and offer to remove it too
[01:55] <drawagoat> or the xmms stuff is the stuff that allows it to read from amarox maybe?
[01:56] <drawagoat> k sounds good
[01:56] <drawagoat> thanks guys'
[01:56] <seth_k> not a problem, let us know how it goes
[01:57] <drawagoat> hmmm
[01:57] <drawagoat> is superkaramba jsut a themes manager thing?
[01:57] <drawagoat> maybe i wanted jsut regular karamba and not super?
[01:57] <seth_k> no, regular karamba has no python support
[01:57] <drawagoat> i was looking for the system traits display app...
[01:57] <seth_k> you must download it
[01:57] <seth_k> superkaramba is just the engine
[01:58] <drawagoat> mmmk....
[01:58] <seth_k> I use Fantastik as my system display widget
[01:58] <seth_k> you can download it from the superkaramba site
[01:58] <seth_k> also, Liquid Weather is nice
[01:58] <drawagoat> ok im starting to get it
[01:58] <seth_k> think of superkaramba like Dashboard. They are the shells... you must add widgets to them
[02:02] <drawagoat> where should i save the liquid whether tarball thing?
[02:16] <seth_k> drawagoat: I like to store them in ~/.superkaramba/themes
[02:16] <drawagoat> ok
[02:16] <drawagoat> i got it installed.... but its acting up
[02:17] <drawagoat> its got some info right but otherwise its jsut got crazy characters
[02:17] <seth_k> You need to set it with your zip code and stuff
[02:18] <drawagoat> how to do?
[02:18] <drawagoat> its weird
[02:19] <drawagoat> ight now it puts a lil box in between every letter
[02:19] <seth_k> right click and do settings
[02:20] <drawagoat> i think theres definately something wrong with mine
[02:20] <drawagoat> lemme see if i can prnt scrn
[02:21] <seth_k> use ksnapshot
[02:21] <seth_k> it's in your graphics menu
[02:22] <gdh> Anyone done any work with Mono ?
[02:22] <seth_k> drawagoat: ah, I know the problem. Hoary doesn't have a new enough version of superkaramba to use Liquid Weather unless you add backports
[02:24] <drawagoat> hmmm
[02:24] <drawagoat> i have backports
[02:26] <drawagoat> k updating
[02:26] <drawagoat> finally starting to understand the whole apt thing
[02:27] <seth_k> grood
[02:32] <flugh> if i install the kubuntu-live package in my ubuntu system, is there any going back, just in case?
[02:33] <seth_k> kubuntu-desktop is the package you'd want
[02:33] <seth_k> and sure, you can remove it immediately
[02:33] <flugh> seth_k: aah, k. thanks. not sure how far-reaching this thing would go. last thing i need is to install something and the toaster quit working
[02:33] <seth_k> indeed :P
[02:34] <seth_k> if you do a purge on it when you remove it, it'll remove all configuration files and everything
[02:34] <seth_k> no more Windows, with its registry that clogs up the more you uninstall and reinstall
[02:36] <flugh> i'm not a big fan of how kde looks and feels, thought a stab at kubuntu might be a mind-changer :)
[02:36] <seth_k> oy, and i'm not a big fan of how gnome looks and feels
[02:36] <seth_k> let's be friends
[02:36] <seth_k> :P
[02:36] <seth_k> gnome just feels dull to me, and clunky
[02:36] <flugh> hehe, fair enough
[02:37] <monchy> gnome has kind of grown on me
[02:37] <flugh> i'll take anything that's -not- Access2K on winxp at work all day. *shudder*
[02:39] <seth_k> ahhhh
[02:39] <seth_k> don't scare me like that
[02:46] <drawagoat> how do u purge a program and its config files?
[02:46] <drawagoat> like if i wanted to purge kopete cause mine is broke
[02:47] <seth_k> sudo aptitude purge kopete
[02:50] <seth_k> you're welcome :D
[02:50] <monchy> lol
[02:58] <supernix> Gosh I am the only Torrent with 100% of the DVD
[02:58] <seth_k> that just means all the others log off immediately after completion :/
[02:58] <supernix> that suchs
[02:59] <supernix> suck*
[02:59] <supernix> I would not realy mind being a seeder when I am not using my PC but I don't wanna give the bandwith away while I wanna enjoy it
[02:59] <supernix> :D
[03:00] <monchy> i only seed til my ratio/upload % is in the green lol
[03:01] <supernix> Hmmm how can you tell it is in the green ?
[03:02] <monchy> well in bittornado it's next to "Share Rating"
[03:04] <supernix> Is bittornado windows ?
[03:04] <monchy> windows, linux
[03:04] <monchy> etc
[03:05] <supernix> ah yeah just read that it was written in Python and platform independent
[03:08] <uniq> gnite.
[03:12] <supernix> are you leaving uniq ?
[03:31] <penguinboy> hey hey hey guys and gals
[03:31] <monchy> hey
[03:31] <monchy> brb
[03:31] <seth_k> hai
[03:31] <penguinboy> its the monchmeister!!!
[03:31] <penguinboy> hey hey hey seth
[03:54] <QueerAsFolk> hey hey hey kubuntufan!
[03:54] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[03:54] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[03:54] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[04:05] <supernix> Guess who
[04:06] <monchy> queerasfolks next victim :o
[04:06] <supernix> I am not seeing anymore apps on this DVD than I did with the LiveCD
[04:07] <stibby> really?
[04:07] <stibby> thats...odd
[04:07] <supernix> that is what I thought too
[04:08] <supernix> I was salivating at the idea of all the goodies I would see once I booted to the DVD
[04:09] <stibby> supernix: can it be requested?
[04:09] <supernix> can what be requested ?
[04:10] <stibby> more applications packed into the Kubuntu Live DVD
[04:10] <supernix> They have to be there somehow as the DVD is 2.88 gigs
[04:10] <stibby> through a mailing list or a Bugzilla, I suppose
[04:10] <supernix> MUCH MUCH larger than the LiveCD
[04:10] <stibby> supernix: its probably all waiting to be installed with kynaptic
[04:11] <supernix> ah so I see what your saying they are there but waiting to be installed but that would take up what little bit of ram I have left sadly to say
[04:12] <supernix> I think I have only 125mb left after the boot from the 512mb I started with
[04:12] <stibby> supernix: that sounds about right
[04:13] <stibby> after boot I usually only have about 200-125 left
[04:13] <stibby> it seems that linux doesn't require much, but if its given it, it'll sure take advantage of it...
[04:13] <supernix> LOL I guess if I wanna have fun I am going to have to get serious and do the install
[04:14] <supernix> After you install kubuntu does it usually take up most of the ram you have like Windows does ?
[04:14] <stibby> windows tries and keeps stuff to a minimum
[04:14] <stibby> while linux uses it sparingly
[04:15] <stibby> at least, thats what i'm told
[04:15] <stibby> linux has a whole extra gig or so in swap
[04:15] <stibby> my memory is used, but my system never slows down...
[04:15] <supernix> Not sure what you meant exactly I know that my XP usually uses a good 75% of the ram and that is what I am seeing right now with the LiveDVD
[04:16] <supernix> I am wondering if the results will be the same with the actual install
[04:20] <stibby> well, your system will definitely run faster
[04:20] <supernix> Will it still use as much ram ?
[04:20] <stibby> probably not
[04:20] <stibby> how many apps do you usually have open?
[04:22] <supernix> Not more than 4 at a time usualy well unless you count background programs like virus scanner and IM
[04:25] <supernix> Has anyone tried copying the data files from Thunderbird on windows to the Linux version to see if it will recognize the messages and such
[04:25] <stibby> it will probably work
[04:25] <stibby> its probably in an FAQ somewhere
[04:26] <stibby> if they designed it well, data transfer shouldn't be a problem
[04:27] <supernix> Iwas not sure but it was a thought that came up
[04:44] <supernix> Ok just robbed my old box of the two drives
[04:44] <supernix> One is a 20 and the other is a 30 gigger
[04:45] <supernix> Not sure if I should just use the larger one for the install and use the secondary for file storage or if I should use the smaller one for the isntall and the larger one for a backup
[04:47] <supernix> HIYA
[04:48] <guillermo> hi
[04:48] <guillermo> i was just testing Konversation
[04:48] <supernix> Me to well Konversation and Kubuntu DVD
[04:49] <guillermo> that's great...
[04:50] <guillermo> i have a question about kubuntu... is there a way to install the source of the kernel used by Hoary?
[04:50] <guillermo> i need to compile some apps, and some of them ask for the kernel sources
[04:52] <supernix> hmmm I would think so but not sure how you would get them
[04:54] <guillermo> i tried downloading it from kernel.org, but somehow the compiler knows that the running kernel is not compiled from that sources
[04:54] <guillermo> it's weird... hehe
[04:54] <supernix> someone was showing me how to edit the sources list but I think you do that and you can download the sources
[04:55] <guillermo> i have only found "kernel-headers", as long as i remember
[04:56] <guillermo> which repository are you using?
[04:58] <supernix> Actually I am running the LiveDVD
[05:11] <delltony> anyone happen to know how long a typical dvd on pass2 wth mencoder takes to encode on a p4 2.8mhz system?
[05:16] <delltony> apt-get source (packagename) should download the source for you. look at man apt-get for more details
[05:18] <jfields> infected mushroom rocks
[05:18] <jfields> yea but apt-build downloads and compiles it
[05:22] <supernix> I am so confused as to why the Ubuntu channel seems to be busy all the time while the Kubuntu one does not
[05:23] <nmorse> because we're really boring people here
[05:24] <supernix> LOL that seems to be the case but I know better
[05:24] <supernix> Everyone knows that KDE people are smarter
[05:24] <supernix> J/K
[05:24] <jfields> because all who use kde are smarter...
[05:24] <jfields> lol.. j/k
[05:24] <supernix> Great minds think alike
[05:24] <supernix> LOL
[05:24] <jfields> oops... that's funny we made same joke
[05:24] <jfields> lol
[05:24] <supernix> Yah
[05:24] <delltony> dang mencoder takes for ever
[05:27] <calc> supernix: because ubuntu is much more popular apparently
[05:28] <calc> at least according to stats on distrowatch
[05:28] <supernix> that is what a friend told me
[05:28] <calc> according to their stats ubunutu is 50% more popular than the 2nd (madriva) most
[05:28] <supernix> I asked him why would anyone want to use Ubuntu over any other distro and he only commented that it was more popular
[05:28] <calc> avg hits per day ubuntu 2501 kubuntu 319
[05:29] <supernix> I asked this earlier so I since I did not get any responses I will try again
[05:29] <calc> because its based on debian
[05:29] <calc> and because it doesn't suck ;)
[05:29] <calc> debian isn't all that well configured out of the box for a desktop, ubuntu is
[05:29] <supernix> I have a 20 and 30 gig drive and I am going to install Linux on one of them so not sure which one I should put linux on or manage them
[05:29] <calc> and everyone knows that debian is better than any other !debian-related dist ;)
[05:30] <nmorse> It could be with a tasksel task
[05:30] <nmorse> Tasksel being the best program ever for making a set of packages for whatever you need
[05:30] <nmorse> I'm wondering why one install DVD hasn't been made with tasksel to choose between Kubuntu and Ubuntu and Ubuntu-XFCE4
[05:31] <calc> ubuntu also does a lot of integration work to make things work together better
[05:31] <calc> hopefully most of that will flow back into debian
[05:31] <supernix> More integration work than Kubuntu ?
[05:31] <calc> nmorse: there is an install dvd that supposedly has it all, but i don't recall if you can tell it to install kubuntu
[05:31] <nmorse> Too bad
[05:32] <supernix> I just spent 3 hours downloading this 2.88 gig DVD image to run this
[05:32] <calc> supernix: most likely yea, since some of the stuff involves gnome apps that probably don't have kde versions yet
[05:32] <calc> supernix: kubuntu has only been around since post warty
[05:32] <supernix> I was not presented with any options to run anything other than Kubuntu though
[05:32] <nmorse> That's because it's the Kubuntu DVD
[05:32] <calc> supernix: it should at minimum let you pick from normal or expert mode
[05:33] <calc> you may be able to tell it ubuntu at the prompt as well (not sure)
[05:33] <supernix> LOL I definately need the normal mode
[05:33] <calc> though it doesn't show a box to select which its what you type in at the initial boot prompt
[05:34] <calc> :)
[05:34] <calc> still at work?
[05:35] <_crimsun> yup, just testing the latest kubuntu live cd
[05:35] <supernix> I have been so looking forward to the install but I have been concerned about how best to do it and scared that there is something I am overlooking the LiveDVD is one thing but the install will be permanent
[05:35] <calc> supernix: you can't really screw up the install except during partitioning
[05:36] <supernix> that is the one that has me concerned
[05:36] <calc> do you already have an os on the system?
[05:36] <supernix> I never know how to best handle the partitioning
[05:36] <supernix> I have XP one one drive but I don't want to touch it and I am going to install two drives on this box
[05:36] <calc> ah i usually just make / one partition and a separate swap partition
[05:37] <supernix> One will be a 20 gig and the other will be a 30
[05:37] <calc> ah ok
[05:37] <calc> ubuntu only takes around 1.5gb so you should have plenty of space
[05:37] <supernix> Should I make the smaller one the install drive and use the larger one as the backup ?
[05:38] <calc> whichever is fine
[05:38] <calc> you could even do software raid1 (mirroring) if you wanted
[05:38] <supernix> I never know how to handle backups which has caused trouble once or twice
[05:38] <qbit> i just used parted to shrink my kubuntu install for a second partition that i could use partimage to store backups
[05:38] <jfields> how is software raid in linux
[05:38] <jfields> never done it
[05:38] <supernix> WOW you can do that with those drives ?
[05:39] <nmorse> I just tar up the whole filesystem and re-roll it in case of dire emergency
[05:39] <calc> though raid isn't a replacement for backups since it only protects against hardware failure
[05:39] <calc> jfields: pretty easy with the new d-i installer
[05:39] <qbit> that way I can always roll back in case of screw up - takes 6 minutes
[05:39] <calc> supernix: you just have to set up two partitions that are the same size
[05:39] <supernix> ah
[05:39] <jfields> calc: is it fast?
[05:40] <calc> jfields: not sure i haven't done testing on it at home, i have used it at work on a machine but didn't have time to benchmark it
[05:40] <supernix> I actually had wondered if it was possible to make like one drive /home/ but was not sure how well that would perform
[05:40] <jfields> calc: ok... thanks... was just wondering if it seemed faster or not...
[05:40] <jfields> yes it is...
[05:40] <supernix> Yeah thanks calc for the heads up
[05:41] <calc> jfields: however even hardware raid cards aren't always fast, i built my brother a 3ware raid machine and its raid5 wasn't particularly quick
[05:41] <calc> actually it was slower than i expected
[05:41] <jfields> you can make one drive /home... one drive /usr... however many drives you have
[05:41] <qbit> raid1 can be a little faster at reading but writes are a little slower
[05:41] <calc> supernix: you can split up separate partitions for each directory if you want, it all depends on how you want to use the box
[05:42] <supernix> Will I need to do dual boot at all since I can setup which drive boots and when ?
[05:42] <calc> supernix: ubuntu installs grub automatically and it detects windows for you
[05:42] <jfields> if you are worried about os upgrades or switchouts you may wish to put home on another disk or partition
[05:42] <calc> so when grub comes up it will ask if you want to boot ubuntu or windows
[05:42] <supernix> it wont mess with the windows drive will it ?
[05:43] <calc> supernix: not unless you tell it to, watch the partition screen carefully :)
[05:43] <jfields> he's saying that it wont touch your windows install...
[05:43] <qbit> it will be on the mbr of whichever is the first drive in the system
[05:43] <supernix> Definately very carefully
[05:43] <qbit> if you want to use it to dual boot
[05:43] <supernix> Does the Partition manager show the size of the drives ?
[05:43] <jfields> i just checked out the first release of xmms2 for anyone that cares
[05:43] <calc> btw if you ever need to fix the mbr on a windows box just run fdisk /mbr off a dos bootdisk
[05:43] <jfields> pretty neat how they go about it
[05:44] <calc> supernix: from what i recall yes
[05:44] <calc> root: is that you crimsun ?
[05:44] <supernix> thanks calc you have been very helpful
[05:44] <supernix> This is doing much to calm my stress level
[05:44] <jfields> and that's a disk you make from within windows xp before you install or should he get that elsewhere?
[05:45] <root> hey i got a question how do i install firefox on ppc
[05:45] <calc> jfields: for the dos bootdisk you can format dos bootdisks in windows xp iirc, not sure if it includes fdisk on it by default though
[05:45] <jfields> source?
[05:45] <supernix> I should be able to use the XP CD to run at boot time if needed shouldnt I ?
[05:45] <root> i cant seem to select it from synaptic
[05:45] <jfields> calc: i dont think so.... that's what sux... gotta go find it
[05:46] <calc> supernix: hmm maybe, never tried it
[05:46] <qbit> there's no fdisk in windows
[05:46] <jfields> yea... doesnt it have fdisk?
[05:46] <jfields> oh...
[05:46] <jfields> ofdisk?
[05:46] <nmorse> fdisk is in Windows
[05:46] <qbit> and if you boot off the XP cd you can use "recovery" mode and at a prompt do fixmbr
[05:46] <nmorse> It's the windows partition tool
[05:46] <supernix> Yeah recovery mode is a blessing
[05:46] <nmorse> It's how you recover your MBR too
[05:46] <jfields> everytime i've done fixmbr it hasnt worked
[05:47] <jfields> but that is me
[05:47] <supernix> I got infected by a trojan and was able to recover using recovery mode
[05:47] <qbit> if you had virus protection turned on in bios it won't
[05:47] <supernix> Just goes to show that Norton does not catch every last virus
[05:47] <qbit> there's always a 0day
[05:47] <calc> well you can download older dos bootdisks off the net too
[05:48] <_crimsun> calc: do you use software raid?
[05:48] <calc> _crimsun: i was testing it in vmware on my work system
[05:48] <root> hey i got a question how do i install firefox on ppc
[05:48] <calc> _crimsun: i have to use it on a server next week
[05:49] <_crimsun> calc: someone using kubuntu asks about tips for udev: he has to "'mknod /dev/md0 b 9 0' before /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start works"
[05:49] <calc> going to have something like 20 scsi hds setup with software raid1
[05:49] <_crimsun> (on every boot)
[05:49] <calc> hmm i'm running sarge on those systems
[05:49] <calc> _crimsun: though i bet i know why ;)
[05:50] <_crimsun> shoot, cos I'm not a raid person :)
[05:50] <calc> _crimsun: if md stuff is modular it does not detect and setup raid by default
[05:50] <_crimsun> ah, that "feature"
[05:50] <calc> though it works for debian when you set it up during install
[05:51] <calc> so either debian has the stuff static or reads the mdadm config file off root to do it maybe?
[05:51] <calc> though if that is what it does then raid5 wouldn't work, which would be bad
[05:51] <calc> i just used raid1 so it would work regardless
[05:54] <supernix> When you install Kubuntu does it ask you which type of partitions to create ? I remember people use to debate ReiserFS over EXT2 as I recall
[05:55] <calc> yes
[05:55] <calc> it supports lots of stuff
[05:55] <calc> ext2/ext3/jfs/reiserfs/xfs and more that i forgot
[05:56] <calc> make sure not to tell it to use the partitions that have data on them already
[05:56] <supernix> oh lord this just got evern more confusing
[05:56] <calc> it won't let you set up the mountpoints for them
[05:56] <calc> if you are in expert mode you set mountpoints without having to format the partitions (which annoys me you can't do it in normal mode)
[05:57] <supernix> im going to have to erase the drives to use them as they were both one a Windows box once before
[05:57] <calc> ah ok
[05:57] <calc> it can even autopartition a drive if you let it
[05:57] <supernix> Will it give me the option to erase and reformat those disks ?
[05:57] <calc> i am not sure what it does when you select that though since i have never had a completely empty drive to test with
[05:58] <calc> yea
[05:58] <supernix> Which format is the best to use ?
[05:58] <calc> imho ext3 since it seems to be most used is least likely to have problems
[05:59] <supernix> thanks ext3 it is then
[05:59] <calc> i've seen data corruption with pretty much every fs out there
[05:59] <calc> but since ext3 is widely used its most likely to have fewer bugs still not found yet ;)
[05:59] <calc> ext3 is not the fastest fs by far
[06:00] <supernix> I think it was ReiserFS that people told me was so great that it somehow kept journals of the activity or something like that
[06:00] <calc> that is a tossup between reiser and xfs
[06:00] <nmorse> reiserfs is my favorite though XFS is pretty nice too
[06:00] <calc> supernix: ext3/jfs/reiser/xfs all journal
[06:00] <supernix> ah see sorry im a n00b
[06:01] <calc> supernix: though reiser was the first journal fs in the kernel from what i remember
[06:01] <calc> goodnight, i'm going to bed
[06:01] <supernix> I have not used Linux in well over 3 years
[06:01] <supernix> Thanks for everything calc
[06:02] <calc> crimsun is a good source of info too btw ;)
[06:02] <calc> as long as he is actually around
[06:02] <supernix> :D
[06:02] <supernix> ooooooooooooooooooooh crimsun
[06:03] <supernix> Some people told me to wait till October not sure if they were talking about till I install the OS but I just have that fever
[06:04] <jfields> probably a release
[06:05] <afrosheen> does the default kubuntu kernel include jfs support?
[06:06] <jfields> dunno
[06:06] <supernix> I am not going to be running a server maybe DNS but not a real network server
[06:06] <supernix> I plan to use this as a desktop box
[06:06] <jfields> if it's in the install process for you to use jfs... then yes
[06:06] <afrosheen> my box won't boot now saying jfs isn't supported
[06:06] <jfields> i think it supports reiserfs and ext3
[06:07] <_crimsun> afrosheen: it does. I elected to install kubuntu with JFS.
[06:07] <afrosheen> I don't remember making my root jfs but who knows
[06:07] <_crimsun> supernix: well, Hoary works just fine :)
[06:07] <afrosheen> yeah my box was running hoary
[06:08] <supernix> Yeah I have to take my hat off to the Kubuntu team they have the best hardware support over all the liveCDs that I tried
[06:08] <afrosheen> I took my box apart to troubleshoot another one, put it back together and now it's acting stupid
[06:08] <supernix> Knoppix and Ubuntu and Gentoo would not work with my printer
[06:09] <afrosheen> supernix: no, your printer won't work with linux :)
[06:09] <supernix> actually afrosheen it is working with Linux
[06:09] <supernix> I tried it with Kubuntu and poof it worked fine even the scanner
[06:09] <afrosheen> weird..since kubuntu and ubuntu use the same codebase, only kde is newer IIRC
[06:10] <jfields> does anyone here know of an issue with certain laptops that when the nvidia driver is installed part of the screen will not be used and it is a fooked up resolution?
[06:10] <aseigo> well, kde just does a really nice job of managing printing =)
[06:10] <supernix> Not only that but Kubuntu is the only distro that will allow my ATI card to do 1024 x 2048 all the others only go max 1024 x 768
[06:11] <afrosheen> what a crazy res
[06:11] <supernix> Someone said it was a issue with the CUPS config that was causing issues
[06:11] <jfields> prolly
[06:12] <aseigo> supernix: yes, almost certainly.
[06:12] <aseigo> supernix: that's why it would work in kubuntu but not, for instance, ubuntu. i assume you used the kde print manager to set up your printer?
[06:12] <supernix> I hate 1024 x 768 everything looks so odd as I am use to using 1024 x 2048
[06:12] <jfields> the reason i asked my question is that mine does that on most distro's
[06:12] <jfields> i thougth that i was just x.org
[06:12] <jfields> but it does it on some xfree86 disro's too
[06:12] <jfields> cant seem to figure it out
[06:13] <supernix> Yes I did in fact use the KDE print manager
[06:13] <jfields> works fine in mepis... but ermm...
[06:13] <aseigo> jfields: hrm.. dunno.. this is the closed source dirver?
[06:13] <jfields> aseigo: yea... that's the problem... not much anyone can do at that point
[06:13] <aseigo> supernix: yeah, that's likely the difference right there =) a new enough kde and using the printer manager
[06:14] <jfields> aseigo: but the thing is... that it works on some distro's.... wait... i wonder if it's the driver version giving me the problem
[06:14] <supernix> I actually might have been using the Ubuntu breezy as well
[06:14] <jfields> i think it was working fine with 69 but the other one is the one that gave me the prob... could be...
[06:14] <jfields> dont feel like testing it ATM tho
[06:14] <jfields> lol
[06:15] <jfields> havent tried kubuntu on it yet... you get tired of installing distros all the time... heh
[06:15] <jfields> running kanotix right now
[06:16] <supernix> Is the default Kubuntu pretty secure ?
[06:20] <_crimsun> yep
[06:20] <_crimsun> the live cd seems to start sshd, though, which is odd
[06:22] <supernix> Any idea how long it takes to do an install on a 2.8 GHZ P4 ?
[06:29] <stisev> Hi all
[06:31] <hanasaki> does kunbuntu use md5 on packages?
[06:31] <hanasaki> does it have the thing like deb of stable/testing/sid?
[06:33] <Speedy2> Ok, just did a Kubuntu 5.04 install, KDE 3.4 is up, but I can't seem to find the setting in the KDE control panel to change the refresh rate...I've seen it before though
[06:33] <Speedy2> Any ideas?
[06:36] <hanasaki> run gnome ;)
[06:36] <Speedy2> hanasaki: Clever.
[06:36] <_crimsun> Speedy2: click K> Control Center> Peripherals> Display
[06:36] <Speedy2> _crimsun: Thanks!  (how "obvious")
[06:36] <_crimsun> np
[06:37] <Speedy2> Goddamn it
[06:37] <Speedy2> It's only configured for 60 Hz
[06:37] <Speedy2> Was the installer supposed to ask me which video card I'm using?
[06:37] <Speedy2> (It's 2005 and we still don't have proper refresh rates...)
[06:38] <_crimsun> it won't ask you unless you deviant from the default, non-expert install routine
[06:38] <_crimsun> deviate, rather
[06:38] <Speedy2> Hrm
[06:38] <Speedy2> I went expert install actually
[06:39] <_crimsun> interesting. Did you check the horizontal sync and vertical refresh rates in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[06:39] <Lancellor> when i turn on my computer everything is ok until when ubuntu is about to start this is in my screen "pivot_root: no such file or directory  /sbin/init: 428 cannot open dev/ console: no such file kernel panic-no synicing: attented to kill init!
[06:39] <Speedy2> _crimsun: No, just about to do that
[06:39] <Lancellor> anybody know what is happening this is the second time
[06:39] <Speedy2> Lancellor: Sounds like it can't find your boot device (that's just a guess)
[06:39] <_crimsun> Lancellor: default kernel?
[06:40] <Lancellor> yes
[06:40] <Lancellor> i just installed last night
[06:40] <Lancellor> was working fine
[06:41] <supernix> I can't recall but on a ribbon cable aint the main drive the one on the end and the secondary in the misslbe ?
[06:41] <Speedy2> Another general question: Is Firefox supposed to be installed?
[06:41] <Lancellor> i have two hard drives with kubuntu installed same problem
[06:41] <supernix> middle*
[06:41] <Speedy2> supernix: IDE doesn't care which is master and which is slave
[06:41] <supernix> ty
[06:42] <Speedy2> supernix: You can jumper IDE drives as "cable select" in which case the end is master and the middle is slave
[06:42] <supernix> I had a problem like that before but I probably had one setup on cable select by accident
[06:42] <Lancellor> no i unisntall the other one so i did a new install on a different hard drive
[06:43] <supernix> Does the kubuntu install the kernel optimized for a P4 by default or do you have to select it ?
[06:45] <Lancellor> do you think is my hardware???
[06:46] <_crimsun> supernix: by default, the -386
[06:46] <_crimsun> 'lo again, dutch
[06:46] <supernix> hmmm what can I do to make it use the one optimized for my 2.8gig P4 ?
[06:46] <dutch> :)
[06:47] <_crimsun> supernix: ,,sudo aptitude install linux-686'' if you want an optimised one
[06:47] <dutch> have seen that name some where before
[06:47] <_crimsun> dutch :)
[06:48] <stisev> anyone know anything about vmware here?
[06:48] <dutch> I still haven't have much luck with aptitude yet
[06:48] <Speedy2> stisev: I setup VMWare on a Windows machine just the other day...but I guess you're probably wondering about VMWare on Linux?
[06:48] <jfields> yea... i havent found aptitude to be very apt either... LOL
[06:49] <dutch> I'm running a 686 here....
[06:49] <_cory> just wondering, is it even worth it having this friggin AMD64 version of kubuntu installed on my system
[06:49] <_cory> i mean, i can't get nothing to install because all the deb files are created for i386 systems
[06:50] <_crimsun> dutch: what sort of issues?
[06:50] <jfields> peace out all
[06:50] <_crimsun> _cory: you can still run those in a 32-bit chroot.
[06:50] <_crimsun> cya jfields
[06:50] <dutch> just haven't had the time to figure it out yet...
[06:50] <dutch> 60 hour weeks are killing me...
[06:50] <_crimsun> dutch: ah, it can be used like a drop-in replacement for apt-get
[06:50] <_cory> what do u mean _crimsun
[06:51] <dutch> see what you started :)
[06:51] <_crimsun> _cory: create a 32-bit chroot using debootstrap (search the ubuntu wiki), then install those 32-bit apps inside the 32-bit chroot
[06:51] <Poromies> _cory: you can have fully 64bit operating system, and build a 32bit chroot sub-system in it
[06:51] <Poromies> like 64bit basesystem and desktop, and with 32bit chroot you have 32bit environment to run any 32bit software you need
[06:51] <_cory> wow, what about my wireless card drivers..that is another issue because there are no 64 bit drivers
[06:52] <Poromies> ndiswrapper can use 32bit drivers with 64bit system, but i think that ist like pre-alpha state ;)
[06:53] <_cory> coolies
[06:53] <_cory> ..theres hope after all
[06:53] <Poromies> and it needs special support from kernel (32bit emulating or something), and you cant do that with default kernel
[06:53] <_cory> but back to my original question..are there benifits in me running this 64bit OS opposed to the 32bit OS with my amd64 processor?
[06:53] <dutch> coolies !  :)
[06:54] <Poromies> 64bit runs faster, the difference depends on the type of software you are running
[06:54] <_crimsun> _cory: well, for the apps available from kubuntu that _are_ 64-bit, you may see a substantial performance boost
[06:54] <Poromies> some run with the same speed, some run faster, some even much faster
[06:54] <_crimsun> particularly apps like oggenc and flac
[06:55] <Poromies> im running 64bit, and its faster
[06:55] <Lancellor>  when i turn on my computer everything is ok until when ubuntu is about to start this is in my screen "pivot_root: no such file or directory  /sbin/init: 428 cannot open dev/ console: no such file kernel panic-no synicing: attented to kill init!
[06:55] <Poromies> and i have all the multimedia systems, skype and so-on stuffed on my 32bit chroot, so this is quite nice :)
[06:56] <Lancellor> p-lease someone can helpme with this??
[06:56] <shawn_> hello when I try to install the package KDE from universe it says it needs kdesdk but it won't be install so I installed it and the same error still comes up
[06:56] <Poromies> and the multimedia support for 64bit aint that bad anymore, you can get 64bit codecs from debian-merillat repos and hmm.. i have mp3/ogg/music support working on 64bit + xvid/divx and dvd
[06:57] <_crimsun> Lancellor: did you try asking on the mailing list(s)?
[06:57] <stisev> Speedy2: hey
[06:57] <Lancellor> what is the mailing list
[06:57] <Lancellor> forums??
[06:58] <_crimsun> no, kubuntu-users, ubuntu-users, etc.
[06:58] <_crimsun> I believe there's a gateway to them via the forums, yes
[06:58] <supernix> ok now I am confused what do I use to view and retrieve pictures from my digital camera ?
[07:01] <_cory> ok i have a problem trying to install debootstrap...it said i needed a newer version of libc6 so i downloaded the latest .deb file (AMD64) and it gave me an error when installing that
[07:06] <_crimsun> _cory: are you using pure ubuntu repos in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:11] <_cory> i have no idea
[07:11] <_cory> is there a way i can get a new sources.list because i think mine is messed up
[07:13] <_crimsun> just make sure you don't have backports, debian-marillat, etc. in it
[07:13] <othernoob> what's wrong with them crimsun
[07:15] <_cory> i only have 4 lines that aren't commented out in my sources.list
[07:15] <_crimsun> othernoob: nothing, but when _cory's error is displayed as such, it is
[07:16] <_crimsun> debootstrap should not ask for a newer libc6 version
[07:16] <othernoob> _crimsun oh okay, i haven't done much with the sources.list so i asked
[07:17] <dutch> damn! now I
[07:17] <dutch> 'm having troube with TW again...
[07:17] <_cory> should i have more then 4 lines in sources.list?
[07:17] <_cory> maybe thats why i can't find gaim or anything in my synaptic package manager
[07:18] <_crimsun> _cory: generally speaking, yes
[07:18] <_cory> or ndiswrapper
[07:18] <_cory> how do i know what to add to the list?
[07:19] <_crimsun> you generally don't want to add anything to the list.
[07:19] <_crimsun> You want to make sure you have only hoary repos listed.
[07:20] <_cory> so how do i get programs through my synaptic package masnager, or should i alway or should i always install through deb files?
[07:21] <Poromies> eh... its quite fine to have other repos as well, as long as you know, that they are not that fully "supportet" and using them may result in borkingyour system
[07:21] <drawagoat> what the proper arguments to add when untarring a bz2 file?
[07:22] <supernix> I cant get the camera to let me download anything
[07:22] <_crimsun> drawagoat: tar xfj foo.tar.bz2
[07:22] <_crimsun> _cory: you can search using Kynaptic or Synaptic
[07:22] <supernix> I changed USB ports and I can navigate the file structure but can't see the pics
[07:22] <_crimsun> _cory: apt-cache policy debootstrap
[07:23] <othernoob> why do you need an authorization for hoary backports?
[07:23] <_crimsun> for what?
[07:24] <_cory> yeah i know i can search but i want to be able to install programs like ndiswrapper through them
[07:24] <_crimsun> then just install them via the gui
[07:25] <_crimsun> search, select, apply
[07:26] <_crimsun> othernoob: I don't use backports, so I don't know.
[07:26] <othernoob> ok
[07:28] <_cory> no but programs like ndiswrapper aren't listed
[07:28] <_crimsun> ndiswrapper is in main, so you don't have that enabled
[07:28] <_crimsun> this is what I have from the latest live cd:
[07:29] <_crimsun> http://pastebin.com/309302
[07:30] <_crimsun> anyhow, I have to go home now.
[07:33] <_cory> ok thx for your help
[07:36] <dutch> good night _crimsun, thanks again for th help
[07:42] <monchy> bad root
[07:44] <dutch> good night all
[08:16] <liz4rd> hello everyone lil soul in here
[08:35] <Borg^Queen> Hello, what's the command to create a package.gz in a dir? I want to add a local dir as a rep
[08:36] <liz4rd> gunzip ?
[08:36] <_crimsun> look at dpkg-scanpackages
[08:36] <Borg^Queen> thank you
[08:36] <_crimsun> yw
[08:37] <Borg^Queen> there's one for doing it right within the dir
[08:37] <Borg^Queen> Its not listed here
[08:38] <liz4rd> i recently installed the 686 kernel on my 686 machine and after that i had more ram freed up at start but now all of a sudden i dont start with the smae amout its low now and i restart so its not cached
[08:38] <liz4rd> any ideas?
[08:39] <Borg^Queen> See if you have any runaway apps
[08:39] <Borg^Queen> FAM does that to me
[08:39] <Borg^Queen> It takes up my ram and CPU
[08:39] <liz4rd> i checked
[08:39] <liz4rd> none
[08:39] <Borg^Queen> Oddd
[08:40] <liz4rd> it's just ram for me
[08:40] <Borg^Queen> Check to see what services are running
[08:40] <liz4rd> just happend one day
[08:40] <Borg^Queen> What changed?
[08:41] <_crimsun> Borg^Queen: you certainly can run dpkg-scanpackages from .
[08:41] <_crimsun> paths are quite important to dpkg-scan*
[08:42] <Borg^Queen> yes, I can't seem to figure out the com arguement usage
[08:44] <Borg^Queen> I think I got it
[08:52] <liz4rd> hey
[08:52] <Borg^Queen> Hey
[08:54] <liz4rd> lol
[08:54] <Borg^Queen> ?
[08:54] <liz4rd> nvm
[08:54] <liz4rd> :P{
[08:54] <Borg^Queen> as you wish
[08:56] <liz4rd> lol i said hi to Kamping_Kaiser
[08:56] <liz4rd> but you said hi
[08:56] <liz4rd> :P
[08:56] <Borg^Queen> Oh, I believe everyone should have someone to say hello to
[08:56] <Borg^Queen> So I responded
[08:56] <liz4rd> ok
[08:56] <_crimsun> hi _crimsun
[08:57] <liz4rd> when i say hello its general
[08:57] <_crimsun> why hello there, _crimsun
[08:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi liz4rd
[08:57] <liz4rd> LMFAO!!!
[08:57] <monchy> hi k_k
[08:57] <liz4rd> hello _crimsun
[08:57] <liz4rd> OMG MY FAGGOT FRIENDS ARE HERE ASWELL
[08:57] <liz4rd> :P jk
[08:57] <liz4rd> DONT SPAZ
[08:57] <liz4rd> BREATH
[08:58] <liz4rd> hey monchy
[08:58] <liz4rd> moncher
[08:58] <liz4rd> monch monch
[08:58] <monchy> hi liz4rd
[08:58] <liz4rd> mooooooooooooooooooooooonchy
[08:58] <monchy> oh yeah we have to be careful in here now, uniq layed down the internet law
[08:58] <liz4rd> OMG NO WAY
[08:58] <monchy> only on-topic allowed now lol
[08:58] <liz4rd> what did he say?
[08:58] <liz4rd> awe poor him
[08:59] <liz4rd> i'll get in here no matter what
[08:59] <Borg^Queen> thank you for the info gentlemen
[08:59] <liz4rd> was that a ....drag queen?
[08:59] <liz4rd> :P
[08:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi monchy
[08:59] <liz4rd> has anyone ever seen a drag queen?
[08:59] <monchy> took you long enough k_k
[09:00] <monchy> never liz, thank god for that
[09:00] <liz4rd> lol
[09:00] <liz4rd> i wanna throw rocks at one
[09:00] <monchy> i wonder if penguin is one
[09:01] <liz4rd> LOL
[09:01] <liz4rd> we all wonder
[09:01] <monchy> he's a little "too gay" sometimes so never know oO
[09:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> monchy: I'm not looking at the chan much
[09:03] <monchy> i figured :P
[09:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[09:05] <liz4rd> night
[09:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh
[09:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> night then
[09:05] <monchy> night liz
[09:25] <netvoodoo> hi all
[09:52] <Pupeno-> What should I do/install to get the Python mode on Emacs ?
[11:01] <Mez> riddell: ping
[11:02] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[11:04] <Mez> was wondering about maybe putting the 3.4.1 KDE files into backports?
[11:04] <Mez> give another way to get them?
[11:05] <Mez> plus, that's what backports are for, to bring things to the latest version :D
[11:06] <Mez> but then, if breezy ships with KDE 3.4.1 there's going to be upgrade issues if we don't do our backport version renumbering
[11:08] <Speedy2> Is Kubuntu by default supposed to setup the /etc/fstab and pick-up all other partitions?
[11:14] <Riddell> Mez: what's the version renumbering?
[11:15] <Mez> adding ~5.04ubl1 on the end of the version number
[11:15] <Mez> for example,
[11:15] <Mez> if one of your breezy packages has the same version number as one of the hoary packages, thenit wont be upgraded.
[11:16] <Mez> but, if they dont use your repos, and use ours with the same bversion number but ~5.04ubp1 on the end, then that makes the new breeezy packge newer than the backports one
[11:16] <uniq> the kubuntu.org packages have 0ubuntu0hoaryX cersioning.
[11:16] <uniq> *versioning
[11:17] <Mez> ah
[11:17] <Mez> fair enough
[11:17] <Speedy2> I can setup my fstab, I'm just curious if Kubuntu normally does that for you.
[11:18] <uniq> speedy2: does  not do it for all partitions iirc. you must setup your special partitions yourself.
[11:19] <Speedy2> uniq: Ok, so it doesn't automatically pick-up vfat (FAT32) on it's own, eh? OK.
[11:19] <uniq> it'll setup all partitions you setup in the partitioner, if you don't setup anything in the partitioner during install it'll automatically mount the ones the installer creates.
[11:19] <Speedy2> uniq: By setup, do you mean partition ?
[11:19] <uniq> don't think so, it's a while since last time i installed it.
[11:19] <Speedy2> uniq: (i.e. if during installation I created a FAT32 partition, that would be added ?)
[11:20] <uniq> no, not necessarily partition, you can set mountpoints for existing partitions too, wiuthout formatting.
[11:20] <uniq> speedy2: yes, if you create or set a mountpoint during installation.
[11:21] <uniq> i -think- that is the way it's done.
[11:21] <Speedy2> uniq: Ah, OK...I guess I should have setup those mount points during install.  Understood.
[11:21] <uniq> but it's no problem to do it later.
[11:21] <uniq> after installation.
[11:22] <Speedy2> uniq: Of course not! =)  I've done dozens of times.  Just curious, that's all
[11:23] <Speedy2> Yeah!  ncftp is now installed
[11:25] <Speedy2> Hrm, does anyone recall the xfree86 tool that lets you tweak the image on your screen incase it's off center?
[11:30] <Speedy2> hrm...Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pango1.0/libpango1.0-0_1.8.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[11:31] <uniq> don't use us.archive.ubuntu.com, change it to archive.ubuntu.com
[11:31] <uniq> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:31] <Speedy2> ok...what's up with the "us.archive" ?
[11:32] <uniq> it has MD5Sum issues.
[11:32] <Speedy2> ok
[11:32] <soccerfiend> still?
[11:33] <soccerfiend> us.archive was bad about a month ago as well
[11:33] <soccerfiend> I just switched all my sources to archive
[11:34] <Speedy2> Is gcc-3.4 the latest verified version available in Ubuntu?
[11:34] <Speedy2> (I guess it went gcc3.4 and then gcc-4.0)
[11:35] <uniq> gcc-3.4 is the latest you get in hoary.
[11:35] <uniq> 4.x will be in breezy.
[11:35] <Speedy2> 10-4.
[11:36] <Speedy2> hrm...I thought I just installed gcc-3.4 via Synaptic, but gcc -v shows 3.3.5
[11:36] <uniq> you'll get 'gcc-3.4'
[11:37] <Speedy2> uniq: Can you explain?
[11:37] <uniq> the binary will be named gcc-3.4
[11:38] <uniq> 'gcc-3.4 -v'
[11:38] <Speedy2> Got it
[11:38] <Speedy2> So is there a way to update it such that typing gcc invokes the 3.4 compiler (symlink gcc ?)
[11:39] <Speedy2> I find it strange since I'm used to a distro updating "gcc" == updates gcc to latest version
[11:42] <nikkia> my understanding is, that 'gcc' remains the version that was used to build the kernel, so that by default installing modules and such will not fail
[11:42] <Speedy2> Ah.
[11:42] <Speedy2> I am about to re-compile my kernel and so I wanted gcc to invoke gcc-3.4
[11:42] <nikkia> that might be an incorrect assumption on my part, but that's how i've always viewed it
[11:56] <Speedy2> Hrm...so no way to get "gcc" to invoke the gcc-3.4 installation?
[11:57] <uniq> sure, it's just a symlink.
[11:59] <Speedy2> uniq: Really? I couldn't find it
[12:00] <Speedy2> duh...
[12:00] <Speedy2> in /usr/bin
[12:02] <uniq> you shouldn't change the default system compiler.
[12:03] <uniq> you should set the compiler on a per project basis.
[12:05] <Mez> Speedy2, why do you want to make it gcc 3.4 ?
[12:06] <Speedy2> Mez: I was under the impression some of the changes in 3.35 --> 3.4 yielded some noticable performance gains.  But that might have only been for the ARM architecture
[01:27] <hnschl> hello
[01:31] <mikl> eehm, where can I get a qt4 package for ubuntu?
[01:31] <liz4rd> apt-get not work?
[01:32] <uniq> mikl: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/qt4/
[01:32] <mikl> uniq: ah, thank you :)
[01:32] <Riddell> untested :)
[01:32] <Riddell> mikl: let us know if they work
[01:32] <mikl> riiight ;)
[01:32] <gdh> Hm, what does qt4 bring to kubuntu?
[01:32] <mikl> gdh: nothing yet
[01:33] <Riddell> gdh: nothing currently but lots and lots once programmes start to use it
[01:33] <mikl> qt4 will bring kde4 ....
[01:33] <mikl> And that's going to hit ubuntu, surely
[01:33] <gdh> okies, this is the start of insane transpareny / opengl / vector desktop stuff?
[01:34] <hnschl> anybody here to give me a minute of his time and help me with a audiocd:/-problem? i dont know, how to integrate lame. i already modified the source.list, then apt-get install lame.
[01:34] <mikl> gdh: yes, sorta
[01:34] <Riddell> hnschl: you need to recompile
[01:34] <hnschl> Riddell: recompile what
[01:35] <Riddell> hnschl: kdemultiemdia
[01:36] <mikl> I surely hope that it wont break my KDE :)
[01:37] <mikl> in a sane world, it should work
[01:38] <mikl> but somehow, I don't think that's any comfort at all ;)
[01:43] <Titoxx69> 'lo
[01:45] <mikl> Riddell: there's dependancy-problems with those packages... are they for breezy or something?
[01:46] <uniq> mikl: most likely.
[01:46] <mikl> ah, well
[01:47] <mikl> Last time i checked, breezy was horribly broken
[01:47] <uniq> works for me (tm)
[01:47] <hnschl> Riddell: perhaps a hint, wich keywords inr
[01:47] <hnschl> in google would help?
[01:48] <uniq> hnschl: apt-get source -b kdemultimedia
[01:48] <hnschl> thank you very much
[01:48] <uniq> first: apt-get build-dep kdemultimedia;apt-get source -b kdemultimedia
[01:49] <hnschl> ok
[01:49] <uniq> ehm.. that's all, not first :)
[01:49] <hnschl> thanks
[01:52] <Riddell> mikl: yes, breezy
[01:52] <nikkia> uniq, btw, that reminds me....
[01:52] <nikkia> uniq, is there a way to get a source package in aptitude ?
[01:53] <mikl> Riddell: on a scale from 1 to 10, how usable is breezy now (as KDE desktop)
[01:53] <mikl> last time I tried was when you guys were playing a lot with gcc-4.0 :)
[01:54] <mikl> or g++, rather
[01:58] <hnschl> au revoir, going to enjoy audiocd:/ ;)
[02:00] <Riddell> mikl: perfectly usable if you get round X breakage (may need a  dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/foo.deb ) and may need to fix fonts path in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /usr/X11R6/lib instead of /usr/share
[02:00] <mikl> ah, well, that should be manageble
[02:01] <mikl> i have --force-something problems on hoary too
[02:02] <uniq> nikkia: no idea, i use apt-get for everything :)
[02:27] <_sam> any one know why/how to get squid to cach files to conserve bandwidth?
[02:59] <bigkeith> anyone have trouble with sbl sound cards and did u fix it? how
[03:22] <brouken> hello, may i ask how to enable 500hz mouse polling rate?
[03:54] <nimatar> sorry for the little flood but i get this error:
[03:54] <nimatar> nimatar@dubhe:~$ gpg  --keyserver  wwwkeys.pgp.net  --recv-keys  0x529B8BDA
[03:54] <nimatar> gpg: can't get key from keyserver: Connection refused
[03:54] <nimatar> gpg: Total number processed: 0
[03:54] <nimatar> does anybody knows what the problem can be?
[03:56] <guinsel> me no
[03:56] <guinsel> works fine
[03:57] <nimatar> :|
[03:57] <guinsel> gpg: Total number processed: 1
[03:57] <guinsel> gpg:               imported: 1
[04:20] <guinsel> is apt-indicator already available?
[04:21] <nimatar> guinsel: saying to me?
[04:21] <guinsel> to #kubuntu :-)
[04:21] <nimatar> ah ok...
[05:12] <scbibleman>  anyone here ?
[05:13] <supernix> Hi
[05:13] <supernix> anyone here ?
[05:14] <laser_tk> yup
[05:16] <supernix> Ah so someone is here
[05:17] <supernix> I was just about to reboot to install but I wanted to find out about partitioning
[05:18] <laser_tk> about what?
[05:19] <supernix> Well should I accept the default suggested partitioning of my drive when I do the install ?
[05:19] <laser_tk> why not..
[05:29] <McScruff> lo, anyone around?
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, now and then
[05:31] <McScruff> is kde 3.4.1 worth upgrading to?
[05:32] <McScruff> i have 3.4.0
[05:38] <foodcoman> Morning........
[05:39] <blackmoon> hi, some MOTU here?
[05:54] <McScruff> can anyone help me install vmware
[05:54] <buz> the setup should work quite well
[05:54] <buz> install gcc before you start it
[05:54] <McScruff> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[05:54] <McScruff> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
[05:55] <McScruff> i have installed the headers tho
[05:58] <dnakata> allo
[06:12] <nikkia> McScruff: the directory for the headers is /lib/modules/<your kernel version>/build
[06:12] <nikkia> vmware's installer doesn't detect that sometimes, for some reason
[06:16] <McScruff> i tihnk i got it now
[06:16] <McScruff> cheers
[06:16] <McScruff> wohoo
[06:19] <OculusAquilae> hi
[06:19] <OculusAquilae> where can I find the project page of kynaptic?
[06:26] <OculusAquilae> another question, does anybody know, how to configure that the network interface is enabled automatically? Something has disabled this.
[06:30] <aseigo> in /etc/network/interfaces ensure there is a line like this:
[06:30] <aseigo> auto lo eth0
[06:30] <aseigo> replacing eth0 with whatever your actual device is
[06:30] <aseigo> or .. adding it to the list if you have more than one =)
[06:30] <OculusAquilae> thanks
[06:30] <aseigo> basically it has to match with a corresponding "ifact <identifier>" block below
[06:30] <aseigo> np
[06:30] <nikkia> aseigo: erm
[06:31] <aseigo> er, iface <identifier>
[06:31] <nikkia> aseigo: that won't do it, on a default [k] ubuntu install
[06:31] <nikkia> on a default install, hotplug manages auto-bringing-up interfaces, and it looks for the mapping stanzas in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:31] <aseigo> nikkia: works on the boxes i have around here. don't know if that's the Official *buntu Way, but i've been using it =)
[06:32] <aseigo> nikkia: seeing as that's how debian tends to do it, i just pulled that knowledge along with me. .. why, what's the *buntu way?
[06:33] <nikkia> asegio, to use the mapping stanzas, via hotplug
[06:34] <OculusAquilae> do you mean the "map eth0", but it doesn't work nikkia
[06:34] <nikkia> asegio, you can make hotplug bring up all 'auto' interfaces by changing the mapping hotplug stanza, which goes back to a more debian way of doing things (hotplug still brings up the interfaces, so you still need to make sure your modules for your network interfaces are loaded and ready before hotplug runs)
[06:34] <uniq> i do it the good old debian-way too.
[06:35] <nikkia> i have it changed to 'script echo' which does the 'bring up all auto interfaces' myself, because the script grep (default) method wasn't bringing up my IPv6 interfaces
[06:36] <nikkia> the default hotplug method seems to work if you have one interface, and only one interface :)
[06:37] <OculusAquilae> the user should be able to do this via kcontrol
[06:38] <nikkia> OculusAquilae: as administrator, perhaps
[06:38] <nikkia> but not 'the user', that just screams of problems
[06:38] <aseigo> OculusAquilae: yeah, you can actually. there's a network interfaces control panel that ships with kubuntu
[06:38] <aseigo> nikkia: that's why we have that "Administrator Mode" button =)
[06:38] <OculusAquilae> but it doesn't work I think
[06:38] <aseigo> really? i tried it out the other day ... seemed to work ok.
[06:39] <nikkia> aseigo: the fact that webmin defaults users to having interface up/down control scares the life out of me :)
[06:39] <aseigo> the "determining your OS" message is a bit humerous =)
[06:39] <OculusAquilae> and at my mashine the Administrator Mode doesnt work too. Ive started it via kde-su
[06:39] <aseigo> nikkia: shit, webmin scares the life out of me. <--period ;)
[06:39] <uniq> administrator mode has a ugly problem.. http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681
[06:40] <nikkia> well, thats that then
[06:40] <nikkia> so much for my boss giving me a call today
[06:40] <nikkia> lazy bum!
[06:41] <uniq> it's so great to be your own boss! :)
[06:41] <OculusAquilae> i think there are much sudo specific bugs in kubuntu
[06:41] <nikkia> uniq, no matter how much you dress it up, its still unemployment :P
[06:42] <aseigo> OculusAquilae: yes.. they patched kdesu and i don't think that worked out so well....
[06:42] <aseigo> OculusAquilae: next release and all, right? ;)
[06:42] <uniq> nikkia: nohoo, i can work all day long if that's what i want. :)
[06:43] <nikkia> uniq, do you get paid for it ? :)
[06:43] <uniq> for the work? - sure.
[06:44] <OculusAquilae> i will test the next release in before the release on a second pc, but if kde 3.5 comes in kubuntu you have to do the patch twice
[06:44] <nikkia> OculusAquilae: you think there'll be a 3.5 ?
[06:45] <OculusAquilae> it is announced or not?
[06:45] <nikkia> not as far as i know
[06:45] <nikkia> and qt4 is out, which necessitates KDE 4.0
[06:45] <OculusAquilae> ok, but I read the kde-pim mailing list
[06:46] <OculusAquilae> they want to release 3.5 this year
[06:46] <OculusAquilae> and before and after this release the kde-pim team will begin porting to qt4 (at aKademy)
[06:47] <OculusAquilae> but aKademy is before the release of kde 3.5
[06:47] <nikkia> OculusAquilae: i don't see any point to a 3.5 release personally, a 3.4.3 maybe if bug fixes dictate one, but otherwise focus on moving to  qt4 as fast as possible
[06:48] <OculusAquilae> > > Can the 3.5 release-plan actually be decided as soon as possible
[06:48] <OculusAquilae> > > ? Personally, I imagine the feature freeze in middle July, and
[06:48] <OculusAquilae> > > the release in
[06:48] <OculusAquilae> > kdepim has decided to have the feature freeze on August 1st and to
[06:48] <OculusAquilae> > start por- ting kdepim to Qt 4 at aKademy. I like the idea to be
[06:48] <OculusAquilae> > feature frozen before aKademy, otherwise we will have nothing
[06:48] <OculusAquilae> > stable to release for months after.
[06:49] <OculusAquilae> there WILL be a 3.5 release
[06:49] <OculusAquilae> because everyone is preparing for that
[06:49] <Mez> OculusAquilae, please, use #flood
[06:49] <Mez> :D
[06:50] <OculusAquilae> Mez: ???
[06:50] <OculusAquilae> "For large amounts of text, consider a paste site " ???
[06:50] <Mez> try not to paste large amours of info into a channel where there are lots of people :D
[06:50] <OculusAquilae> sorry
[06:51] <nikkia> not that 85 people is particularly 'lots'
[06:51] <nikkia> especially when around 81 of them are sleeping :P
[06:52] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[06:52] <nikkia> largest irc i've seen, was one of the macosrumor irc sessions, i think it was when the G5 was released, some 1000+ people in a single channel
[06:53] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[06:53] <nikkia> it was an incredibly effective stress test of irc clients
[06:54] <OculusAquilae> was it fast enougth?
[06:54] <nikkia> OculusAquilae: it varied, it was alright mostly
[06:54] <nikkia> hmmm
[06:54] <nikkia> beep keeps switching itself to shuffle mode
[06:59] <OculusAquilae> isn't there a project page for kynaptic?
[07:15] <nikkia> hmmm
[07:16] <OculusAquilae> ???
[07:16] <uniq> oculusaquilae: it's in the synaptic svn repo if that's what you're thinking about.
[07:16] <nikkia> it had all gone eerily quiet
[07:16] <uniq> https://oops.kerneljanitors.org/repos/synaptic/branches/kynaptic/
[07:16] <OculusAquilae> uniq: thanks
[07:17] <uniq> http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/
[07:17] <OculusAquilae> so its a part of synaptic
[07:20] <stibby> hey cool! the head rabbi of isreal uses mozilla firefox
[07:20] <stibby> http://blakeross.com/index.php?p=152
[07:37] <nikkia> bah, i think i'm officially addicted to this album :/
[07:38] <OculusAquilae> ???
[07:38] <nikkia> OculusAquilae: the new robert plant album 'Mighty Rearranger'
[07:38] <nikkia> i've listened to it like 6 times in a row now
[07:39] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[07:40] <OculusAquilae> Is (K)ubuntu 5.04 compiled with gcc 3.3?
[07:40] <nikkia> 3.3.5 i think
[07:49] <bigkeith> can someone help me with wireless card setup? it worked automatically yesterday but when i reinstalled nothing happens
[07:50] <bigkeith> the installer did ask me to choose it or the wired con but i chose wired because its connected to my cable line
[07:50] <bigkeith> and that was the last of it
[07:51] <nikkia> bigkeith: tried running the 'Wireless LAN Manager' in 'Internet' under the menu ?
[07:52] <Skaman> hi guys!
[07:52] <Skaman> can anybody help me?
[07:52] <Skaman> my MBR fuked off
[07:52] <Skaman> and I can't boot
[07:53] <Skaman> ther'es a way to boot from cd?
[07:56] <OculusAquilae> hm
[07:58] <kbrooks> qt4
[07:58] <kbrooks> whoa
[07:59] <OculusAquilae> ???
[08:01] <js_> groovy
[08:03] <OculusAquilae> ??? :-)
[08:05] <Skaman> hey guys how can i boot from kubuntu CD?
[08:05] <Skaman> my mbr was accidentally cancelled
[08:05] <Skaman> :'(
[08:05] <mrme> i just installed ubuntu, and then did a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.  now i want to upgrade to kde 3.4.1.  i've added "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main" to my sources.list, but after an "apt-get update" doing an "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" again says i'm already up to date.  what is the best way to upgrade to kde 3.4.1?  "apt-get install kdebase"?
[08:06] <Skaman> yes
[08:06] <Skaman> kdebase
[08:06] <Skaman> is the best thing
[08:06] <mrme> Skaman, ok.  didn't know if that would get everything or if i'd need to add more.
[08:07] <Mez> mrme: you're trying to install KDE for Ubuntu?
[08:07] <OculusAquilae> he has already installed it via kubuntu-desktop and
[08:07] <mrme> Mez.  i've already done that.  now i'm just updating from kde 3.4.0 to 3.4.1
[08:07] <Mez> so what was the question about kdebase?
[08:08] <OculusAquilae> i think you must install more
[08:08] <mrme> Mez.  oh.  i was just wondering if that's all it took to complete the upgrade or if i needed to apt-get install more stuff.
[08:08] <OculusAquilae> apt-get upgrade perhaps
[08:09] <Skaman> did u restart X?
[08:09] <Skaman> log out & log in
[08:09] <Mez> no - if you alread have kubuntu then it's an apt-get update
[08:09] <mrme> Skaman, not yet but haven't gone ahead with the install yet.  i will.
[08:09] <Mez> apt-get upgrade
[08:09] <Mez> apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:09] <Skaman> does anybody know haow to boot from the cd??
[08:09] <mrme> ok.  i'll just do apt-get upgrade.
[08:10] <Mez> mrme :D thats assuming you already have KDE :D
[08:10] <Mez> if not
[08:10] <Skaman> mrme u have to logout & login
[08:10] <Mez> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:10] <kbrooks> I want kubuntu!
[08:10] <kbrooks> :)
[08:10] <Mez> Skaman - after the install
[08:10] <Mez> kbrooks, sudp apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:10] <Skaman> he already did the install
[08:10] <Skaman> *I guess*
[08:10] <kbrooks> yea but i want gnome removed
[08:10] <Mez> Skaman - upgrade then
[08:11] <OculusAquilae> kbrooks maybe simplier installing kubuntu from the kubuntu cd
[08:11] <mrme> yep.  doing apt-get install kubuntu-desktop only gets you kde 3.4.0.  i'll just upgrade the whole system to get 3.4.1.
[08:11] <Mez> kbrooks.. is such a PITA to remove gnome once it's installed, unless you know all the dependencies :D
[08:11] <mrme> thanks all.
[08:11] <mrme> exit
[08:12] <Mez> or you could just install it after add ing the 3.4.1 repositories then kubuntu-desktop gets you 3.4.1 - but you arent here to hear that
[08:37] <Mac38DO> Hi! How can I get Firefox 1.0.4 with Ubuntu?
[08:42] <jpatrick> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingFirefox?highlight=%28Firefox%29
[08:43] <stisev> HI ALL
[08:43] <jpatrick> hi
[08:43] <stisev> can anyone tell me how to edit a file xorf.conf that is (apparently) used by the system?
[08:46] <bigkeith> i switch to smp kernel onmy system and wireless goes away what do i need to get it back
[08:48] <cornelinux> Hi there, when I install kubuntu 5.04, what is the initial root password?
[08:51] <supernix> Hi yall
[08:52] <cornelinux> ok, i read the faq. Well. I guess this is a.. strange way.
[09:08] <chris12349> .
[09:14] <supernix> Hi
[09:14] <jpatrick> hi
[09:17] <supernix> Welp I finally done it
[09:17] <supernix> I am now using Kubuntu on my PC
[09:17] <jpatrick> lucky
[09:17] <supernix> LOL why you say lucky jpatrick
[09:18] <jpatrick> Because I'm still waiting for my CD
[09:18] <supernix> Do you have a dialup connection ?
[09:18] <jpatrick> no
[09:18] <supernix> No burner ?
[09:19] <jpatrick> no burner :(
[09:19] <supernix> Sorry to hear that
[09:19] <jpatrick> It's arriving "soon" (that's what shipit said) :(
[09:19] <supernix> Sure would be nice if your local PC store could get you a copy
[09:19] <jpatrick> I've been waiting 5 months
[09:20] <supernix> GOD
[09:20] <supernix> are you serious ?
[09:20] <supernix> Where are you?
[09:20] <jpatrick> I know :(
[09:20] <jpatrick> I'm in Spain
[09:20] <supernix> OIC that explains it
[09:20] <jpatrick> I ordered in February
[09:20] <supernix> Everything that is mailed is scanned completely pretty much
[09:21] <supernix> I mailed a disk to Africa and it took months to get there
[09:22] <jpatrick> I just hope it comes
[09:22] <jpatrick> "soon"
[09:22] <supernix> Have you tried talking to a friend that has a burner or your local PC store to see if they could burn you a copy ?
[09:22] <jpatrick> No
[09:23] <jpatrick> but they're mostly on dial-up
[09:23] <supernix> I would give that a whirl that might help
[09:23] <supernix> Do you have any computer shops around you ?
[09:23] <jpatrick> yes
[09:23] <Mez> jpatrick, have you spoken to the LoCo Team?
[09:23] <jpatrick> no Linux
[09:23] <jpatrick> Loco.... o.O
[09:24] <Mez> jpatrick, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpanishTeam
[09:26] <jpatrick> shame it doesn'
[09:32] <Mez> ..?
[09:43] <supernix> Ok I was curious I did an install now I have these unexplained partitions
[09:44] <supernix> one is 1.3mb and one is 1k
[09:51] <_mark> hi
[09:56] <supernix> Hi guys
[09:56] <supernix> anyone around now ?
[10:12] <mrme> on just about every linux install i've ever done konq has always rendered pages much more slowly than firefox/mozilla.  on kubuntu konq seems to render pages just as fast if not faster.  what's kubnutu doing different?
[10:13] <Mez> I think it's just because it's using a newer version of KHTML
[10:13] <kl> konqueror is oneof tha apps, which become faster with every KDE Version
[10:14] <mrme> hmm.  ok.  page rendering speed is just significantly better.
[10:14] <kl> and I guess, it's build with good optimisations
[10:15] <mrme> pages start to render before all of the page is downloaded.  that's nice.  seems like other kde's aren't defaulting to that.
[10:18] <mrme> well whatever you kubuntu people are doing with konq keep up the good work :-)
[10:18] <etrusc0> exit
[10:24] <Speedy2> Hey all.  I just re-compiled my kernel (2.6.12-2), everything seems to work, but for some reason the network interface (eth0) is no longer brought up on boot.  The ifupdown scripts are enabled and seem to run -- any ideas?
[10:24] <Speedy2> (If I do an ifup eth0, then eth0 works without any problems)
[10:28] <jpowers> Speedy2: I have that problem with my wireless card, b/c linuxant's driverloader software doesn't get initialized until AFTER the network init sequence.
[10:28] <Speedy2> jpowers: You can fix that by changing the order in the /etc/rc2.d folder
[10:29] <Speedy2> Do you know specifically which script are the offending ones?
[10:30] <jpowers> Speedy2: it would be simple to figure it out. I take it that that's not the problem you're having.
[10:30] <Speedy2> Changing the order == each script has a number associated with it that enforces the order in which it is run
[10:30] <Speedy2> jpowers: Well, I am not using Linuxant, I have Ethernet support for my chipset compiled in (Intel EEPro/100 / 82559 ER chipset)
[10:30] <jpowers> Speedy2: yep.  I just haven't gotten around to fixing it.
[10:31] <jpowers> I don't really know how to fix that then.
[10:31] <Speedy2> jpowers: It's bizarre, I can't understand why I have to manually issue the ifup command.  I can only surmise that before the NIC was supported by a module and maybe it initalizes it after loading modules, but even still, support for the NIC is built into my kernel (and working, since I'm typing on the machine right now)
[10:33] <jpowers> yeah, that makes no sense.
[10:34] <jpowers> I have a thought.
[10:34] <jpowers> And it may be way off base
[10:34] <jpowers> but does ifupdown use hotplug?
[10:34] <Speedy2> I dunno
[10:34] <jpowers> and does hotplug point at a module?
[10:35] <jpowers> and therefore not work correctly?
[10:35] <Speedy2> I compiled in support for hotplug
[10:35] <jpowers> also, does dmesg tell you anything worthwhile?
[10:35] <Speedy2> jpowers: It does see the NIC on boot-up
[10:35] <jpowers> Speedy2: theoretically you could just add a script early in your boot sequence to ifup the NIC, right?
[10:35] <jpowers> clunky, I know.
[10:36] <Speedy2> jpowers: Sure.  I just wanted to understand what went wrong
[10:36] <jpowers> Gotcha.
[10:36] <Speedy2> jpowers:
[10:36] <Speedy2> This is what dmesg shows for the NIC
[10:36] <Speedy2> e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.4.8-k2-NAPI
[10:36] <Speedy2> e100: Copyright(c) 1999-2005 Intel Corporation
[10:37] <froud> updated http://www.lnix.net/~froud/
[10:39] <jpowers> Speedy2: I have no idea what the problem is.
[10:39] <jpowers> :\
[10:39] <Speedy2> jpowers: Me neither!
[10:41] <Speedy2> jpowers: ifupdown is run before hotplug, I guess that could be an issue
[10:41] <Speedy2> jpowers: I didn't change the order of any of these things after compiling in my kernel
[10:42] <jpowers> Speedy2: it was just a thought.  I'm don't even know whether they're even dependent on eachother.
[10:43] <Speedy2> I guess I can try booting the older kernel
[10:44] <_ubuntu> hi
[10:45] <_ubuntu> i have a big problem, i had installed kubuntu and win98, reinstalled win98 but i cant access to kubuntu,
[10:45] <_ubuntu> what can i do_
[10:46] <_ubuntu> i have 2 HD, one with w$98 and other with kubuntu, when i select kubuntu HD, its show GRUB but it does nothing
[10:54] <Speedy2> jpowers: Well, it did seem to work when booting the older kernel.  The only thing that I think it could be is that on start-up of one of the hotplug scripts, it said something like my system doesn't support all the features.  Let me re-examine my kernel configuration
[10:56] <Speedy2> Hrm, I didn't put in PCI hotplug
[11:09] <nikkia> grrr
[11:10] <nikkia> my xemacs install has just broken for no apparent reason
[11:19] <ekik> I'm having a bit of trouble installing the rt2500 drivers for my WLAN NIC on ubuntu. The makefile creates a .o file. Is there a way to convert this to a .ko file?
[11:20] <twidget> I've just gotten CD sound in my Kubuntu install. Amazing what a little $5 cable accomplishes.
[11:20] <nikkia> my god, there's still someone alive using analog CD output ?? :)
[11:21] <twidget> I guess I had to.
[11:21] <twidget> I'm using an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe motherboard, and I couldn't get any sound out of it
[11:22] <twidget> (using the sound on the MB)
[11:22] <twidget> Worked fine in XP, in Kubuntu: nothing
[11:22] <nikkia> that's because you weren't using the right CD player
[11:23] <nikkia> the sound card has little to do with it
[11:23] <twidget> Pioneer DVDR-CDRW
[11:23] <twidget> bah
[11:23] <twidget> whatever the acronym is
[11:23] <nikkia> XP uses digital extraction by default, like almost everyone on the planet uses these days (especially since the 10c DACs they put on CD/DVD drives these days are terrible)
[11:24] <liz4rd> LMFAO @ WINBLOWS
[11:24] <nikkia> you were probably trying to use a CD player/CD plugin that didn't use digital extraction, but tried to play via the drive's analog output, and thus the cable was necessary
[11:25] <nikkia> twidget, i use beep, but i imagine xmms's CD plugin is similar, the configuration page has two options for playback method, 'Analog Output' and 'Digital Extraction'
[11:26] <nikkia> yep, exactly the same plugin
[11:26] <nikkia> anyway, digital extraction provides far better quality, except in a few rare cases (copy protected CDs that have purposefully damaged error correction data)
[11:28] <twidget> Dang! I can't find where I ordered this drive! :/
[11:29] <twidget> Ah! There it is: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827129161
[11:30] <twidget> So you're saying I didn't need to buy an analog cable?!
[11:30] <nikkia> twidget: yep
[11:30] <nikkia> twidget: you coulda asked, and i'd have told you :P
[11:30] <twidget> dirty words!
[11:30] <twidget> nikkia: I did
[11:30] <twidget> last weekend
[11:30] <nikkia> not me you didn't
[11:31] <twidget> You told me about the trashed graphics, I remember that much
[11:31] <nikkia> i don't recall you asking about CD's and audio
[11:31] <nikkia> if you had, i'd have pointed out i haven't had one of those cables in my PC since 1999, and don't intend on it
[11:31] <twidget> I mentioned that I could hear the system sounds, but I couldn't play CDs
[11:31] <nikkia> the quality loss and noise introduced is not worth it
[11:32] <twidget> oh well. feh
[11:32] <nikkia> (noise introduced *not just when playing CDs*)
[11:32] <twidget> I'd like to icecast eventually
[11:33] <twidget> okay, it's unplugged, now what?
[11:34] <nikkia> twidget, now go to preferences in xmms or beep, select 'input plugins' and choose 'CD Audio', then hit preferences, and switch it from 'Analog' to 'Digital Extraction'
[11:34] <nikkia> then hit OK/apply/whatever/close, and select 'Add CD'
[11:35] <twidget> I see KsCD, that okay?
[11:35] <nikkia> probably not
[11:35] <twidget> brb
[11:35] <nikkia> dedicated 'CD players' under linux tend to use the old analog methods
[11:35] <nikkia> but let me check anyway
[11:36] <nikkia> ok, in kscd....
[11:36] <nikkia> stop playback
[11:36] <nikkia> go to configure kscd
[11:36] <nikkia> under 'CD-ROM Device' there is a check box for 'Use direct digital playback'
[11:36] <nikkia> select it
[11:39] <twidget> anything else under that section?
[11:39] <nikkia> well, you could change the audio backend from arts to alsa if you want, but thats up to you, and depends whether you've configured arts
[11:39] <nikkia> (KDE uses arts for audio by default)
[11:40] <nikkia> you'll probably notice that the bass response from digital extraction is far better than the analog cable
[11:40] <twidget> whoa! You're right! muuuuuuch better
[11:40] <nikkia> twidget: you have two things working against you with analog CD playback...
[11:40] <twidget> noise
[11:40] <nikkia> 1) the cheap convertors on the CD
[11:40] <nikkia> 2) the cable in a noisy environment
[11:40] <nikkia> 3) the cheap mixer on the audio on your PC
[11:41] <nikkia> 4) the fact I can't count
[11:41] <twidget> it seems like it's skipping
[11:41] <nikkia> that could be arts
[11:41] <nikkia> i avoid arts personally, just bang straight to alsa, but it requires that you configure dmix
[11:41] <twidget> I'm game if you are
[11:41] <nikkia> i think i tried to get you to do that the other day :)
[11:42] <twidget> ah!
[11:42] <twidget> You said you didn't talk to me about this! :)
[11:42] <nikkia> http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[11:43] <nikkia> no, i remember talking to you about sound, i do not recall you mentioning CD playback at all
[11:43] <twidget> heh
[11:43] <nikkia> and believe me, i have a good memory
[11:43] <twidget> What if I'm using KDE?
[11:43] <nikkia> if alsa is configured right, it doesn't matter
[11:43] <nikkia> arts and alsa clients co-exist with dmix
[11:43] <twidget> k
[11:44] <nikkia> although it would probably require you to restart KDE after configuring it how that page says
[11:44] <twidget> esd: no process killed
[11:44] <nikkia> yeah, that document is about ubuntu
[11:44] <nikkia> gnome uses esd, kde uses artsd
[11:45] <twidget> so, everywhere it says esd replace it with artsd?
[11:45] <nikkia> well
[11:46] <nikkia> personally, i'd ignore the bit until step 7
[11:46] <nikkia> and you don't need to do the apt-get bit in step 7
[11:47] <nikkia> in fact, all you want to do, is edit the file and put in the contents in 'step 8'
[11:47] <nikkia> the rest is unnecessary
[11:47] <nikkia> once you're done and have saved the file, you can restart artsd within kcontrol
[11:51] <nikkia> (btw, the reason i stopped using analog CD output was one problem with it, that i didn't mention - since its not an important feature really, lots of sound chips cheat, and just let it flow from the CD socket to the analog output, via the mixer, if you connect digital output from the sound chip/card to digital speakers, you often find the CD audio isn't there anyway)
[11:52] <twidget> I've forgotten. How do I log on as root again?
[11:52] <nikkia> you don't
[11:52] <nikkia> use sudo
[11:53] <nikkia> if you want to use kate, use kdesu kate /etc/asound.conf
[11:58] <twidget> I don't fully understand step 10
[11:58] <nikkia> no, i said, you only need to edit the file as per step 7/8
[11:58] <twidget> oh
[11:58] <nikkia> the rest doesn't really relate to kubuntu
[11:58] <twidget> okay
[11:59] <nikkia> once you've done that, and saved the file in /etc/asound.conf ....
[11:59] <twidget> k, I'll reboot
[11:59] <nikkia> no
[11:59] <nikkia> you don't need to reboot
[11:59] <nikkia> open kcontrol
[11:59] <liz4rd> lol thats what windoze has made you do for so long
[11:59] <nikkia> go to 'sound and multimedia'
[11:59] <nikkia> then go to 'sound system'
[12:00] <twidget> done
[12:00] <nikkia> uncheck 'enable sound system', click apply, check 'enable sound system', click apply again, and artsd will be restarted
[12:00] <nikkia> hopefully, if you did the file right, you should still have sound
[12:00] <nikkia> you can check with the 'test sound' button on that page
[12:01] <nikkia> if that works, go back to kscd, go back to the preferences and change the sound backend to 'alsa'
[12:01] <twidget> BTW, if I haven't said so already, thank you guys and gals for being so nice and patient with a newbie like me
[12:01] <twidget> it works
[12:02] <nikkia> (although, sometimes skippy audio is fixed just by the act of using dmix and forcing sound playback to 48kHz, a lot of sound hardware these days doesn't like anything but 48kHz audio)
[12:03] <liz4rd> AHAHAH I JUST RECIVED MY UBUNTU CD's!!!
[12:03] <liz4rd> tolate now :P
[12:03] <twidget> liz4rd: me too!
[12:03] <nikkia> nothing quite like a rock band doing a country song about BJ's while driving
[12:03] <liz4rd> lol just now
[12:03] <liz4rd> 3 secs ago
[12:03] <liz4rd> :P
[12:04] <liz4rd> wow that took along time


[00:08] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [thunar-uca-print] r653 Add the thunar-print script for uca... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[00:08] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [thunar-uca-print] r654 Make sure to only show print for appropriate mime-types... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[02:01] <Unit193> 1. Where is $RANDOM set?  2. d/copyright needs updating.  3. This is great if a user installs the script itself, but IMO not the most ideal from a GUI that's a bit more default.  Sure, we ship those by default, not entirely sure about the convert/all image formats, but personally I'd do more checking and error messages with zenity.
[02:02] <Unit193> 2 is required, 1 is very important as if it's not set, TmpFolder="/tmp/" is used and the rm -rf call would be bad.
[02:02] <Unit193> Also, mkdir -p is a cool thing.  Personally, I'd just source out to mktemp.
[02:04] <Unit193> '$*' → '$@'
[02:15] <Unit193> Ah right, bash thing.  Eh..
[06:10] <flocculant> #join launchpad
[06:10] <flocculant> sigh
[07:47] <ochosi> Unit193: wanna help/update the PR/branch?
[07:48] <ochosi> and thanks for the thorough review
[07:49] <Unit193> I'm not sure I'd consider that, just a reading over.
[07:52] <ochosi> well still, all valid and helpful points
[07:52] <Unit193> And pretty sure only the author of the PR can. :)
[07:52] <ochosi> 2 will be fairly easy, i can do that tonight
[07:53] <ochosi> 1 too
[07:53] <ochosi> and with respect to 3 i'd say we improve it as we go
[07:57] <Unit193> (Example would be a which on the application, then zenity --warning --text "Unable to launch desired operation as $foo is not installed." if not installed.)
[08:02] <ochosi> true. even though libreoffice is installed by default, ppl could remove it and still want to print
[09:22] <knome> mhall119, i have the code for the wordpress plugin if you like
[09:22] <knome> mhall119, it's slightly hardcoded but that's probably not a problem at this point ;)
[13:55] <mhall119> knome: thanks!
[13:55] <mhall119> I'm finishing a wallpaper contest today and would have loved to have a ready-made solution
[13:56] <mhall119> does it handle the voting process too?
[14:06] <krytarik> Yes, it does.
[14:19] <knome> mhall119, absolutely
[14:21] <knome> mhall119, i'll get back to you in an hour or so
[14:59] <knome> mhall119, i tried to send you email but gmail didn't let me attach .js files, so here it is: https://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/wallpaper-contest/
[14:59] <knome> i will push it to a launchpad repository sooner or later - i'll let you know when
[19:02] <ochosi> flocculant, Unit193: any idea if we have zenity installed by default?
[19:19] <flocculant> ochosi: pretty sure not
[19:19] <ochosi> alrighty, thanks!
[19:19] <ochosi> i'll just send a notification instead
[19:20] <flocculant> ochosi: hang fire
[19:20] <flocculant> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/358621886/buildlog_ubuntu_bionic_amd64_xubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:21] <flocculant> shows it - thought I had to install it here for something
[19:21] <ochosi> oh :)
[19:21] <ochosi> well nvm, i still prefer the notification
[19:21] <ochosi> especially because i'm not sure what the dialog should offer as actions (at least not yet)
[19:23] <flocculant> :)
[19:25] <flocculant> as long as notifications can be disabled I'm never too bothered about it :D
[19:25] <ochosi> Unit193: added copyright and improved error handling in the script (especially for libreoffice). if cups is not installed and a user wants to print then...
[19:26] <ochosi> flocculant: it only sends a notification if libreoffice is not installed and the "print" command in thunar fails
[19:26] <flocculant> ochosi: I assume not here - as all notifications should be off ;0
[19:30] <ochosi> hehe
[19:31] <ochosi> Unit193: if i add error handling for lpr too i guess i can just as well rewrite that script, because all that is still there from the original author is the bash case statement :D
[19:31] <ochosi> Unit193: then we can scrap the MIT license
[19:58] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [thunar-uca-print] r655 Update d/copyright to reflect MIT license... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[19:58] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [thunar-uca-print] r656 Improve print-script by checking for LO... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[21:39] <Unit193> I'd say zenity is seeded, but you already figured it out.


[18:33] <ahasenack> hi, just going to float an idea here, brainstorm a bit
[18:33] <ahasenack> I'm working on the apparmor profile for rsyslog, and all its subpackages (rsyslog-mysql, -pgsql, etc)
[18:34] <ahasenack> originally I thought about parsing the rsyslog.conf file, checking for om<plugins>, and then generating an apparmor profile snippet for it dynamically
[18:34] <ahasenack> and call that script in ExecStartPre
[18:34] <ahasenack> that works
[18:34] <ahasenack> but then I thought it would perhaps be easier and less magical to have each subpackage (rsyslog-mysql, -pgsql, etc) to include the apparmor profile snippet it needs to work
[18:35] <ahasenack> and have the main rsyslog apparmor profile just use "include if exist" for all these possibilities
[18:35] <ahasenack> this looks like it will work too, and I can still use the script for some corner cases perhaps
[18:35] <ahasenack> but how do I reload the rsyslog apparmor profile (which has the include) when, say, rsyslog-mysql is installed? There are many ways,
[18:36] <ahasenack> I thought of using a trigger on /etc/apparmor.d/rsyslog/, the directory I chose to place these snippets in
[18:36] <ahasenack> I don't know if there is precedence for that
[18:36] <ahasenack> another way is of course to reload the profile in postinst, but I don't see a way to use dh_apparmor for that, and I fear having to do that handling manually when dh_apparmor does it so nicely
[19:04] <teward> uh, question to the security team, and a major one: default 22.04/22.10 installations are now saying you need an ESM subscription to update Universe regardless of ESM or not.  I think that's a usability flaw?  see the notes in https://askubuntu.com/a/1452498/10616 where this is a current problem
[19:05] <teward> if nobody can just go `sudo apt update` without it blaring thayt it needs ESM Apps enabled then Ubuntu is no longer "free to use" if ESM is now required, and that's its own security snafu
[19:06] <mdeslaur> teward: huh? no, universe is still universe
[19:07] <teward> mdeslaur: ther's been a flurry of posts on Ask Ubuntu about 22.10 new installs when running apt update saying "The following apps need ESM Apps enabled to get updates"
[19:07] <teward> for things in universe like imagemagick which SHOULD be updated anyways
[19:08] <mdeslaur> teward: because those updates aren't in universe, they are in esm only
[19:08] <mdeslaur> teward: no community volunteer updated imagemagick in universe
[19:08] <teward> mdeslaur: i think then that Security needs to make a notice, or Canonical, that *some* applications are only updated in ESM Apps while some are not there and have no updates in Universe
[19:08] <teward> the point is it's for more than just imagemagick from what people're complaining about
[19:08] <mdeslaur> teward: I don't understand, we've never supported universe
[19:09] <teward> mdeslaur: i think the confusion is ESM vs. non-ESM again and how that impacts the current non-ESM rotation of systems
[19:09] <teward> and which do you actually need for proper security patches/updates
[19:09] <mdeslaur> teward: the short answer: if you don't buy ESM, nothing has changed
[19:09] <teward> either way it seems like an issue when the system whines and doesn't explain it.
[19:09] <mdeslaur> if you do buy ESM, you get more updates
[19:10] <teward> or enroll in free Ubuntu Pro for end-users at home (5 systems free)
[19:11] <teward> i'l make a post on Ask Ubuntu to try and stop the flurry of questions
[19:11] <mdeslaur> I'd try and explain esm and ubuntu pro, but I am completely confused myself
[19:11] <teward> mdeslaur: i think i know it
[19:12] <teward> Ubuntu Pro is what Ubuntu Advantage used to be, esm-apps and esm-imfra are part of the ESM program that is offered as part of Ubuntu Pro (previously UA)
[19:12] <teward> i've had back and forth wtih Canonical Marketing and Tech about this back when ESM was first a chaos
[19:12] <mdeslaur> so you understand it better than me
[19:12] <teward> mdeslaur: yeah, only marginally
[19:14] <mdeslaur> so I guess Ubuntu Pro isn't an Advantage anymore? ;)
[19:18] <sdeziel> is there anything that prevents someone from subscribing to ESM to get updated source packages to then propose them as community provided updates to -universe?
[19:18] <mdeslaur> nope
[19:18] <sdeziel> alright, I needed to ask ;)
[19:18] <ahasenack> that's the centos way, no?
[19:19] <mdeslaur> sdeziel: hehe :)
[19:19] <teward> sdeziel: yeah there's nothing stopping it, except security review because I see a lot of full version bumps in esm-apps and such that bring the concerns in :P
[19:19] <teward> and you know how SRUs can be so expand that by 10000% for sec review
[19:19] <mdeslaur> hrm, there shouldn't be full version bumps there
[19:20] <teward> though i will have to consider that for torbrowser-launcher - incompatible changes with no way to nitpick the differences between 0.35 ane 0.36
[19:20] <teward> well i say 'full version bumps' and I mean MRE-style bumps
[19:20] <mdeslaur> except for certain exceptions
[19:20] <mdeslaur> it should be the same as the maintenance we do in the archive
[19:20] <teward> i'm running on one coffee and 5 hours sleep so :P
[19:25] <mdeslaur> With Ubuntu Pro, you will gain access to a second coffee and two more hours of sleep!
[19:27]  * arraybolt3 tries to imagine the amount of work needed to backport Ubuntu Pro to Universe...
[19:33] <mainek00n> Hi, I was looking at OVAL (https://security-metadata.canonical.com/oval/oci.com.ubuntu.focal.cve.oval.xml.bz2) and noticed a problem.
[19:33] <mainek00n> The problem is such a case... https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/2wWXmRz2Tv/
[19:33] <mainek00n> test(oval:com.ubuntu.focal:tst:201245420000370) for linux-meta-azure-5.15 references object(oval:com.ubuntu.focal:obj:<PHONE_NUMBER>00360) for linux-meta-azure-5.13 .
[19:33] <mainek00n> Is OVAL generation failing?
[19:41] <ebarretto> hi mainek00n, let me take a look, but we are planning on removing meta and signed kernels from oval
[19:42] <ebarretto> mainek00n, what exactly is the issue?
[19:47] <teward> mdeslaur: until I see that guarantee from Mark and a check in my hands for those coffees (i'm up to 5 a day now) i don't believe it :P
[19:49] <mdeslaur> hehehe :)
[19:56] <mainek00n> ebarretto, I have asked these questions before... (https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2023/01/20/%23ubuntu-security.html)
[19:56] <mainek00n> If the Ubuntu CVE Tracker and future OVALs do not define vulnerabilities for -signed and -meta packages, how do I manage vulnerabilities in packages with -signed and -meta packages such as linux-signed-azure-5.13 and linux-meta-azure-5.13?
[19:59] <teward> mdeslaur: do you know if it's possible to disable apt notifications about `esm-*` so it's not default stating info that will confuse new users?  I have a feeling it's some kind of apt config option
[19:59] <mdeslaur> teward: sorry, no idea
[19:59] <teward> no worries i'll just email -devel
[19:59] <teward> and get my answer ;P
[20:00] <mdeslaur> doesn't the message say how to disable it? I thought it used to
[20:00] <teward> it does on the boot up login shell message
[20:00] <teward> the apt messages are new
[20:01] <mdeslaur> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1992026
[20:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Launchpad bug 1992026 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Pro APT integration is a bit much" [Critical, In Progress]
[20:02] <ebarretto> mainek00n, linux-meta-azure-5.13 and linux-signed-azure-5.13 comes from linux-azure-5.13, you will have only the linux-azure-5.13 check
[20:03] <ebarretto> mainek00n, linux-meta-* and linux-signed-* are not real source packages, so we don't track them in our tracker, they are instead generated on top of actual source packages such as I mentioned above
[20:03] <teward> mdeslaur: thanks, I"ve made a comment with my opinion from the "Community Observation" that I do with my CC hat on in general as my own personal recommendation to tone down the apt integration and stuff, it's excessive and causing user strife
[20:04] <mdeslaur> teward: thanks
[20:07] <mainek00n> ebarretto, For example, suppose the running kernel binary package is linux-image-5.15.0-1026-aws and the source package of this package is linux-signed-aws-5.15. In this case, is it correct to consider linux-signed-aws-5.15 as linux-aws-5.15 and detect the vulnerability?
[20:15] <ebarretto> mainek00n, you only need to check linux-image-5.15.0-1026-aws
[20:16] <ebarretto> mainek00n, you need to care about the actual binaries that are created from a source package. You won't have linux-aws-5.15 in your dpkg output
[20:17] <mainek00n> ebarretto, But there is no entry in the Ubuntu CVE Tracker for linux-image-5.15.0-1026-aws, right?
[20:18] <ebarretto> mainek00n, the Ubuntu CVE Tracker tracks source packages, not binaries
[20:18] <ebarretto> mainek00n, for OVAL we track binaries from source packages
[20:18] <ebarretto> it can be confusing, but there's a translation from one to the other
[20:19] <ebarretto> so for our own sake the Ubuntu CVE Tracker has source package names only, because you will patch a source, and verify that source code. But when we are checking running systems, then we need to check actual binary names and from that we get the binaries for each source package
[20:20] <ebarretto> for that*
[20:28] <mainek00n> ebarretto, But if future OVALs don't define -signed or -meta entries for the Source Package, won't it be impossible to check down to the binary package?
[20:30] <arraybolt3> teward: Pretty sure there's a "sudo pro configure" something that will fix it.
[20:30] <arraybolt3> "sudo pro config set apt_news=false"
[20:36] <ebarretto> mainek00n, the binary from all of them boils down to some linux-image-... binaries, so they will be covered. The thing with the current state of linux-meta and linux-signed is that they create false positives right now because different linux-meta-* source packages might generate a binary with the same name
[20:51] <mainek00n> ebarretto, For example, consider the following machine: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/yfr66fNvr2/
[20:51] <mainek00n> From the results of the command, the running binary package is linux-image-5.15.0-58-generic and its source package is linux-signed.
[20:51] <mainek00n> Can't I just replace linux-signed with linux and use the Ubuntu CVE Tracker information to detect the vulnerability in the linux package?
[20:51] <mainek00n> Do I have to look at the OVAL and check the source package and the binary package of the source package as well?
[20:51] <mainek00n> What if I can only use the information from the Ubuntu CVE Tracker?
[20:58] <ebarretto> mainek00n, linux-image-5.15.0-58-generic comes from linux: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/5.15.0-58.64   As I said, linux-signed is not an actual source package, hopefully someone can explain it better than me.
[20:59] <ebarretto> mainek00n, perhaps I'm not understanding what is your current issue. I know you contribute (perhaps maintain?) to some golang packages that contain CVE information. Are you hitting something specific while doing it?
[21:01] <ebarretto> we are open to suggestions and improvements on our OVAL for sure. The meta thing is something currently in the works as we know users hitting some false positives
[21:08] <teward> mainek00n: i think we have to trace to a more basic question than you're asking first, which is "What is the difference between source packages and binary packages".  If you understand the distinction then you can figure out from that which to use (CVE tracker vs. OVAL) to identify your vulnerable packages, etc.
[21:08] <teward> with the exception of the meta things being worked on of course
[21:09] <teward> and with -signed that doesn't actually *exist* and isn't a source package, so how you're equating linux-image-5.15.0-58-generic to its source package is flawed
[21:10] <teward> oh wait a second
[21:10] <teward> ebarretto: i think there's an issue then at how the source is shown in apt in this case
[21:10] <teward> ebarretto: wrt linux-image-5.15.0-58-generic the source `Source: ` output in apt show on the package *is* linux-signed
[21:10] <teward> even if that's a metapackage or a Provides: line, that might be part of the confusion here
[21:11] <teward> mainek00n: better question is: how're you determining the "Source" in your example?
[21:11] <teward> are you basing that off of `apt show` information or similar?
[21:12] <teward> ebarretto: see https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/3JcPV4QGYD/ which might be the 'source' confusion here
[21:12] <teward> `apt show` output
[21:13] <teward> ebarretto: it wouldn't be that the linux source package has a Provides for linux-signed in it somewhere would it?
[21:13] <teward> or some other bit that confuses apt vs. how we actually determine the Source packages of a given binary?
[21:15] <ebarretto> teward, yeah, that goes in line with: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed/5.15.0-58.64 ... so same binary, two different "sources" perhaps. sbeattie perhaps you can again re-clarify the -meta and -signed packages.
[21:16] <teward> ebarretto: i think that's the confusion then, because "same binary, different sources" which is confusing how they're parsing APT data
[21:16] <teward> which may explain the confusion between linux-signed and straight linux
[21:17] <ebarretto> this confuses me every time too
[21:17] <teward> because it seems that linux-signed is the only one visible for that binary package in apt (for Jammy anyways)
[21:17] <teward> it may be that mainek00n simply has to assume that for linux-{signed,meta} to refer to the base linux source pkg instead
[21:18] <teward> but again this is one of those confusing points
[21:18] <teward> (this said I don't rely on just OVAL to determine things, I pay Rapid7 for IVM which has an agent that parses Ubuntu CVE data, OVAL, etc. and determines the proper package matchups, don't ask me how they do it I just know they do xD)
[21:28] <mainek00n> ebarretto, teward: I understood from reading scripts/generate_oval and scripts/kernel_lib.py that linux-signed* and linux-meta* in OVAL are generated from linux*. https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker/tree/scripts/kernel_lib.py#n129
[21:29] <ebarretto> mainek00n, exactly
[21:30] <teward> which goes back to what ebarretto and I were talking about - same binary package produced from multiple sources
[21:31] <teward> so "source" might be a misleading thing at points
[21:36] <mainek00n> So, I was thinking, when detecting vulnerabilities, is it OK for linux-signed* and linux-meta* to use the data from the source linux*?
[21:36] <teward> until sbeattie chimes in on -meta I think for -signed the answer could be "yes" but don't quote me on that