[03:47] <ph8> hi guys, i'm currently trying to get a Realtek RTL8111B network card working on a P5B
[03:47] <ph8> (Asus P5B)
[03:47] <ph8> there's a driver from Realtek about but it needs to be built into the kernel, is that the only way i'm going to get my card working? Is there some generic thing i can do which is a lot simpler?
[03:47] <ph8> Building my own kernel would be a pain in the arse!
[04:00] <accumulator> is there a quick reference somewhere on how to re-enable boot splash when building a custom kernel?
[04:00] <accumulator> .. with make-kpkg
[04:00] <accumulator> ?
[04:14] <`ph8> hey guys, my internet connection's appalling today. I'm trying to get my Realtek 8168 network card to be supported in edgy-latest - the only option appears to be me compiling my own kernel with the drivers in - is that indeed the simplest solution?
[04:20] <accumulator> the only, i think
[05:01] <BenC> actually, no, the best way would be to compile the module against the linux-headers package
[05:01] <BenC> but oh well :)
[05:20] <``ph8> gnomefreak told me you replied to my previous post BenC - cheers! I didn't see it because my internet connection's too rubbish
[05:20] <``ph8> and ben's not here.. :p
[05:20] <``ph8> did anyone know what he meant about compiling the r1000 module against headers?
[05:20] <zul__> his connection is rubbish as well
[05:20] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:21] <``ph8> great pair :p
[05:32] <tfheen> BenC: I wonder if one of the latest dapper kernel uploads have broken something for me.    The latest one gave me about 110k "scheduling while atomic: swapper/0xfffffffe/0" in the kernel log.
[05:37] <``ph8> gnomefreak told me you replied to my previous post BenC - cheers! I didn't see it because my internet connection's too rubbish
[05:37] <``ph8>  the error with the patch is '/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/build' -> does not exist, during the first make clean modules command - which is strange
[05:38] <``ph8> i get that on both of my systems when i try to do the first make clean (according to the README)
[05:55] <gnomefreak> BenC: we are getting alot of people not beable to boot its sending them right to busy box. im looking for a bug that had a workaround for it but is this a kernel issue or a usplash issue i cant remember
[06:10] <ivoks> that can only be kernel issue
[06:19] <gnomefreak> im begining to think its the UUID
[06:19] <gnomefreak> i have 2 people in #ubuntu+1 with same issue i dont think either have hdxx
[07:28] <BenC> gnomefreak: They need to check /dev/disk/by-uuid/ and see if the device exists
[07:28] <BenC> check "cat /proc/cmdline" to make sure it's right
[07:28] <BenC> gnomefreak: Are these fresh installs, or upgrades?
[07:28] <gnomefreak> upgrades
[07:30] <BenC> it could be failures in the UUID conversion
[07:30] <BenC> we need to check the /dev/disk/by-uuid/ listings against menu.lst, /etc/fstab and /proc/cmdline
[07:31] <gnomefreak> neither of them are answering me. i know one of them was trying to get rid of UUID and add hda3 to it but i had to leave
[07:31] <BenC> also important is if these are actual partitions or evms/lvm/md
[07:33] <gnomefreak> also that guy that was trying to build that reltek module filed a bug on it for it to be included in edgy. is that even possible?
[07:34] <BenC> nope
[07:34] <gnomefreak> i didnt think so
[08:26] <ph8> BenC: Thanks for answering, sorry to waste your time
[08:26] <ph8> i'll see if my 4gb of mem is recognised after this kernel recompile i'm doing
[08:26] <BenC> ph8: Nothing you can compile is going to change the memory
[08:26] <BenC> ph8: BTW, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` will help you compile your module
[08:26] <BenC> lot better than recompiling the whole kernel
[08:30] <ph8> yes ty i got it working
[08:30] <BenC> [   60.556067]  Memory: 4038036k/5242880k available (2206k kernel code, 155236k reserved, 1486k data, 292k init)
[08:30] <ph8> ok, i installed from amd64 daily today and it can only see 3gb or 4
[08:30] <ph8> * of 4
[08:30] <BenC> ph8: For reference, that is the memory on my 4G box
[08:30] <ph8> you think some of my memory is faulty?
[08:30] <BenC> that 155236k reserved, is for various system elements
[08:30] <ph8> i'm using top, is that from your dmesg?
[08:31] <ph8> didn't know it was in there
[08:31] <BenC> yes, that's dmesg
[08:31] <ph8> so, on an out of the box amd64 daily install, if it says: [   29.173492]  Memory: 3084280k/3145344k available (2129k kernel code, 60676k reserved, 1424k data, 188k init) - that means one of my memory chips is messed up
[08:31] <ph8> ?
[08:31] <ph8> i can remove them one at a time to make sure
[08:32] <BenC> see, one of your mem sticks isn't being seen I bet
[08:32] <BenC> check BIOS and see what it sees
[08:32] <BenC> run memtest86 too
[08:32] <ph8> memtest sees 3
[08:32] <ph8> not sure about bios
[08:32] <ph8> cheers i'll give it a go after i install this kernel
[08:32] <BenC> if memtest only sees 3, then that's about as bare bones as you can get
[08:32] <BenC> ok
[08:32] <ph8> will the -generic i get with the amd64 daily be the 64bit kernel?
[08:32] <ph8> is there a way to test?
[08:33] <ph8> i don't really need to compile this custom kernel if it is
[08:33] <ph8> Linux rigel 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Fri Oct 13 15:34:39 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:33] <ph8> that looks like 64 to me
[08:34] <ph8> but am i wrong?
[08:46] <ph8> BenC: it's not a faulty stick, just tested them all - saw a post online saying that its a limitation of 'most modern motherboards' that they cannot fully utilise 4gb of RAM,  could this just be Asus' current limit?
[08:47] <mjg59> It's not uncommon for lower-end motherboards to map the PCI space over the top of the RAM
[08:53] <ph8> oo
[08:53] <ph8> there's an option in the bios that says 'allow pci overmapping' or something like that
[08:53] <ph8> do you think that should be off?
[08:54] <ph8> or is it actually a good feature?
[08:55] <mjg59> Try changing that, yeah
[08:58] <ph8> will let you know :)
[09:04] <ph8> well
[09:04] <ph8> it was actually disabled
[09:05] <ph8> enabling it gets my mem to 3584 - which i'm happy with, cheers.
[09:05] <ph8> I'm now experiencing 'NMI Watchdog experienced a LOCKUP on CPU 1' though - is that a common one?
[09:05] <ph8> Many reporters on google but no causes/solutions
[09:22] <ph8> hmm, the memory overlapping option did it - strangely
[10:00] <ph8> just a general newbie question guys - what does the ubuntu kernel have that the stock one doesn't?
[10:22] <johanbr> Lots of things, look at /usr/share/doc/linux-image-*/changelog.Debian.gz
[11:10] <ph8> should IA32 be enabled by defalt in the amd64 kernel?
[11:10] <ph8> i get some weird errors when running a binary that works on other machines
[11:11] <mjg59> ph8: It, uh, is, surely?
[11:11] <ph8> hopefully
[11:11] <ph8> i can't run the linux client from folding.stanford.edu
[11:11] <ph8> on my machine
[11:11] <ph8> weird error though
[11:11] <mjg59> What's the error?
[11:12] <ph8> root@rigel:~/bench# ./FAH502-Linux.exe
[11:12] <ph8> -su: ./FAH502-Linux.exe: No such file or directory
[11:12] <ph8> it's definitely there and global +x
[11:12] <mjg59> Run strace against it and see what opens fail
[11:12] <mjg59> That usually means that it's missing the run-time dynamic linker
[11:12] <mjg59> Which may been that you're missing the compatibility libraries
[11:13] <mjg59> CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION=y
[11:14] <ph8> ah! i don't have ia32-libs
[11:14] <ph8> lets see if that makes a diff
[11:18] <ph8> mjg59: ia32-libs sorted it
[11:18] <ph8> cheers!
[11:18] <ph8> my install borked a bit at the end you see, i didn't get anything apart from the base packages


[12:47] <dewman> rhpot1991, I thought it would load like a new version of flash and other things. I am just trying to be careful with what I install on this box..
[16:40] <rhpot1991> dewman: shouldn't be much, if you want to you can prob grab the packages and install by hand
[16:40] <rhpot1991> orrrrr
[16:40] <rhpot1991> enable medibuntu
[16:40] <rhpot1991> then sudo apt-get install all the ffmpeg packages
[16:40] <rhpot1991> then disable medibuntu
[16:40] <rhpot1991> and you can put a hold on the ffmpeg packages then if you wanted
[17:00] <likwid--_> so within videos dir ive created say "Game of thrones" dir which i put episodes in.  once i click the folder it shows them and has all meta data.. is there a way to get rid of the link back to Storage Groups?
[17:42] <j-paul> helo, на русском тут есть кто?
[17:46] <j-paul> Hello, there is a problem, I can not adjust the air analog TV, the channels were found but did nothing pokazyvatsya, a noise
[17:46] <j-paul> Hello, there is a problem, I can not adjust the air analog TV, the channels were found but did nothing to show a noise
[17:50] <j-paul> Hello, there is a problem, I can not adjust the air analog TV, the channels were found but did nothing to show a noise


[04:29] <hbb147h> startx
[04:29] <hbb147h> how are you
[04:29] <hbb147h> salu
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[10:09] <tushar> hi guys n gals!!
[10:10] <tushar> how dow you ask questions that go into the hangout??
[12:00] <palefat> I wont be able to be here for the live stream. Could someone ask what Jono thinks of XBMC? And if canonical ever considered integrating it in ubuntu rather than creating their own TV experience?
[18:57] <sebsebseb> hi
[18:58] <JoseeAntonioR> hey, sebsebseb!
[18:58] <sebsebseb> JoseeAntonioR: hi
[19:00] <JoseeAntonioR> sebsebseb: are you able to see the stream?
[19:00] <pemibo> yes
[19:00] <JoseeAntonioR> yay!
[19:00] <aelin> yep
[19:02] <Feeder> QUESTION: Are you working from home?
[19:03] <aelin> QUESTION: Does ubuntu phone have some special keyboard features like swype typing or deleting with gestures etc?
[19:04] <pemibo> QUESTION: Today the Ubuntu Phone guildlines were published. (And by the way, they look great ;)) Will there be any guildlines for Ubuntu Desktop in the future too? What do think of those guildlines on the Desktop in general?
[19:04] <linuxDoug> QUESTION:  What is your favorite kind of coffee?
[19:05] <Feeder> QUESTION: Would it be possible to have Mark join you for a Q&A?
[19:06] <JoseeAntonioR> Feeder: that will be done soon, as an UbuntuOnAir event :)
[19:06] <pemibo> Mark on a uoa session would be awesome! :D
[19:06] <darkone778> wins points for the terminator reference
[19:06] <Feeder> JoseeAntonioR: cool :)
[19:06] <Tuxkalle> QUESTION: Talked to lean since the last Q&A?
[19:06] <xedi> QUESTION: Can you explain the difference between GPL and LGPL in easy terms?
[19:08] <Damas> QUESTION: XDA Developers and Maemo talk have been fantastic communities for Android, and Maemo 5 & Meego Development, does ubuntu phone plan to establish similar communities? And will ubuntu be ready to borrow features from tweaks made by developers in those communities?
[19:08] <aelin> QUESTION: another phone question, i have seeing a lot news about ubuntu phones on tech sites but most of them says it will ship with only 12 question, as far as i understand 12 of core apps will be developed by community, can you please explain that
[19:09] <As> Q: are Canonical in the future will use golang to build applications after re-writer juju by golang
[19:11] <darkone778> QUESTION: How has Canonical been working with Valve to improve some of performance issues when using Unity when running games? As various places like Phoronix has mentioned the performance hits when running Unity instead of other desktops like KDE,XFCE, E17 etc.
[19:12] <pemibo> QUESTON:  What apps will be included in the firs release of the Ubuntu Phone OS image?
[19:12] <rrnwexec> QUESTION: What's the most *startling* thing you've heard about Ubuntu this week?
[19:12] <aelin> oh i write question instead of aps sorry for that
[19:12] <todd328> Will the Ubuntu Software Center Apps be available on the Ubuntu Phone platform?
[19:13] <Damas> QUESTION: Ubuntu has a ton of settings, do you think it will be helpful if we had a "reset defaults" feature just in case things go wrong?
[19:15] <bashrc> QUESTION: Do you think there's a danger of Ubuntu or Canonical over-stretching itself as it deals with server, desktop, tablet and phone operating systems?  There must be a lot of work in each of those use cases.
[19:15] <Damas> QUESTION: Apple are rumored to be preparing a smartwatch, do you see Ubuntu heading to smartwatches in the future?
[19:16] <justin86> QUESTION: Hello. Can you provide some more details on Ubuntu Phone from embedded system platform perspective? What i would like to know is - will you provide only basic generic platform sources for Phone such as Kernel, core linux system Applications and some buildsystem  OR you ar also developing some 3G/4G specific stuff such as GSM daemons and other mobile-phone specific tools which will go open source as well?
[19:16] <DanS_> QUESTION: The terminal on the phone (the KILLER APP IMO).. would this work like it does on the desktop, ie. will I be able to SSH to my web server with it?
[19:16] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: global jams!
[19:17] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Will you replace Android completly with Ubuntu Phone when the time comes?
[19:17] <mhall119> rrnwexec: probably the MS Office rumor for me :)
[19:17] <rrnwexec> yes
[19:18] <Tuxkalle> QUESTION:do you like soccer ?
[19:18] <Elken> QUESTION: What noise does a train make?
[19:18] <mhall119> sebsebseb: the available commands is really independent of the terminal emulator
[19:19] <sebsebseb> mhall119: wrong person ?
[19:19] <darkone778> QUESTION: Will we ever be seeing a default video editor in Ubuntu Desktop again like when Pitivi was put in for a few releases?
[19:19] <mhall119> sebsebseb: yes, sorry
[19:19] <mhall119> DanS_: the available commands is really independent of the terminal emulator
[19:19] <zul> QUESTION: do you think the server team is awesome?
[19:20] <Elken> QUESTION: Where are you going to get your distro names from after 17.04 Zesty Zebra?
[19:20] <DanS_> thanks mhall119
[19:23] <bashrc> good answer
[19:25] <none_of_them> QUESTION: Is Canonical prepared for any possible patent suits by Apple or Microsoft? Especially Apple is known for using suits to fight competition.
[19:25] <miggs> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu apply for Google Summer Of Code this year?
[19:26] <sebsebseb> QUESTION:  Going back to my question, I meant would you replace as in not use a Android phone at all anymore, and instead use Ubuntu Phone instead eventually probably?
[19:27] <Damas> QUESTION: Torvalds uses Macbook Air, what do you use?
[19:27] <sebsebseb> replacing Android completly with Ubuntu Phone
[19:27] <JoseeAntonioR> you guys can checkk http://whereschuck.org/ to see where is he
[19:28] <Feeder> QUESTION: Will you do a Q&A in your Hotdog costume?
[19:28] <Tuxkalle> QUESTION: what is your 3 tops rock concerts you have been to :-)
[19:28] <mhall119> sebsebseb: I sure would, I'd love to replace my Android with an Ubuntu phone
[19:29] <sebsebseb> mhall119: whate ven if hardly any apps :d
[19:29] <Elken> Grumpy cat
[19:30] <Elken> Best wallpaper ever
[19:30] <Feeder> NO!
[19:30] <sikaish> can u share link to your wallpaper? :D
[19:30] <Feeder> :D
[19:30] <mhall119> sebsebseb: 1) I believe there will be apps, partly because 2) I can help make sure there are apps :)
[19:30] <sebsebseb> mhall119: oh ok
[19:30] <Tuxkalle> QUESTION: can u share link to your wallpaper
[19:31] <sikaish> QUESTION : Can u share link to your wallpaper? :D
[19:31] <mhall119> sebsebseb: 3) QML is so simple and powerful, and will be shared with Blackberry and Sailfish, that I expect a large number of new app developers
[19:31] <Steam4Linux> QUESTION: What's it like to be a community manager? What is your favorite part about it?
[19:31] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: opensource/freesoftware even that you liked the most and why, with the exception of a UDS?
[19:32] <mhall119> Steam4Linux: he really likes having meetings, that's why he does so many :)
[19:32] <pawelbial> QUESTION: What do you think about Opera moving from Presto to WebKit engine?
[19:33] <sebsebseb> pawelbial: oh are they
[19:33] <Steffen_> QUESTION: Any plans to bring back the intellihide  feature for the Unity launcher ?
[19:34] <Feeder> QUESTION: What was first? The chicken or the egg?
[19:35] <miggs> what is the orange guy doing there?
[19:35] <Elken> QUESTION: You said on Bryan Lunduke's World of Linux that you were on Slackware '96 and Debian back in the good old days. Did you contribute to either of these distros, and if so to what degree?
[19:35] <benkaiser> sebsebseb: I will be making apps fot the phone too
[19:35] <DanS_> QUESTION: Has the confusion/frustration about UEFI Secure Boot affected Ubuntu adoption rates to your knowledge?
[19:35] <sebsebseb> JoseeAntonioR: I typoed
[19:35] <sebsebseb> event
[19:35] <mhall119> miggs: that's JoseeAntonioR, he's the one who makes ubuntu-on-air possible, give him a big thanks
[19:36] <JoseeAntonioR> sebsebseb: you missed a T :)
[19:36] <sebsebseb> JoseeAntonioR: yep
[19:36] <bobbuttons> QUESTION Any more Shot of Jaq?
[19:37] <darkone778> Slackware 41 floppies please
[19:38] <Steam4Linux> QUESTION: If Microsoft ports Office to linux, how do you think it would benefit Ubuntu?
[19:38] <Elken> I had a Slackbox some years back and I remember installing it. It was such a great feeling seeing x loading 1st time round.
[19:38] <Tuxkalle> QUESTION: probebly asked before, have you tested Gentoo?
[19:38] <PabloRubianes> QUESTION: What do you think about UbuConLA? www.ubuconla.org The Latinamerica LoCo Driven Conference
[19:39] <miggs> the egg was first.  made by a close ancestor of current chicken. the first chicken had a mutation.
[19:39] <Elken> QUESTION: I imagine you don't have much free time, but if you do, what do you do? Besides barbequing. ;)
[19:39] <AlanBell> the chicken house comes first or a fox will eat the chickens and you won't get any eggs.
[19:39] <Fish-Selection> QUESTION: Can you confirm that ubuntu is free from horse meat? :P
[19:40] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Which was the famous person from the open source or free software communites, that you enjoyed meeting the most and why?
[19:40] <Steffen_> QUESTION: Are there any work being made for a new sound theme ?
[19:41] <bashrc> horseburgers!
[19:41] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: ^
[19:42] <benkaiser> QUESTION: Where is your Ubuntu Phone OS this week? last week you said your co-worker had it in China
[19:42] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Are you playing guitair or drums later?
[19:42] <benkaiser> Ubuntu Phone*
[19:42] <aelin> QUESTION: will there be a Ubuntu Ringtone
[19:43] <Feeder> QUESTION: I really love the design of Ubuntu Phones Unity. Will some of it be backported to the desktop?
[19:43] <Elken> QUESTION: Have you tried Ubuntu Cola, if so what did you think of it?
[19:44] <darkone778> Things happen when Linus flips a middle finger to hardware companies weve noticed :)
[19:44] <Fish-Selection> QUESTION: Has work on the voice controlled HUD begun yet?
[19:45] <rrnwexec> yes
[19:45] <DanS_> QUESTION: When they do the Ubuntu movie (you know like the upcoming jOBS movie and the previous The Social Network).. who would play Jono Bacon?
[19:45] <decreeofj> I WANT THAT WALLPAPER!
[19:45] <Elken> Bruce Willis
[19:45] <mhall119> ttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/globaljam/ is the Global Jam page
[19:45] <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/globaljam/ is the Global Jam page
[19:46] <Elken> jono: Bruce Willis
[19:46] <mhall119> DanS_: Kevin Bacon, obviously
[19:46] <Elken> Of course
[19:46] <Elken> Benedcit Cumbarpatch
[19:46] <mhall119> Howie Mandel
[19:46] <zlcss> bobcalt goldwaite
[19:46] <Feeder> QUESTION: What was your favourite question you were asked in these Q&A hangouts?
[19:46] <aelin> QUESTION: if no baby in next door, can you play some Maiden riffs
[19:46] <linuxDoug> Craig Ferguson
[19:46] <ahayzen> QUESTION: The Ubuntu Phone App Design Guidelines have just been announced, will there be design guidelines for the desktop any time soon?
[19:47] <mhall119> http://design.ubuntu.com/apps is the phone guidelines
[19:48] <Elken> A ok
[19:50] <mhall119> QUESTION: What is Ubuntu Friendly?
[19:50] <JoseeAntonioR> loco.ubuntu.com
[19:50] <mhall119> you'll also be amazed by how many people say "Hey, I've heard of Ubuntu, it seems really nice, are you involved in that?"
[19:51] <Elken> QUESTION: Do you take requests?
[19:51] <pemibo> Sound is fading out :(
[19:52] <sebsebseb> mhall119: thinking of wearing some more, well  known that it's geek stuff, and what people may acstauly know what it is stuff when out :D  sometimes
[19:52] <sebsebseb> mhall119: I mean like Firefox t shirt say for example maybe
[19:52] <sebsebseb> something where people might see, and think oh I know that
[19:52] <none_of_them> Lots of bass but it looks like you know what you are doing.
[19:52] <mhall119> sebsebseb: I usually have wonderfully friendly conversations with strangers when I do that
[19:52] <sebsebseb> mhall119: yep that's the idea :)
[19:52] <sebsebseb> to get into convos with peopel who would otherwise be igoring me
[19:53] <mhall119> Even has airport TSA agent chat me up about it
[19:53] <sebsebseb> oh heh heh
[19:53] <mhall119> and not in the groping, rendition kind of way
[19:53] <pemibo> QUESTION: Is the Ubuntu team currently working on any "secret" project?
[19:53] <palefat> QUESTION: Hi! sorry if this was asked previously, I just tuned in. Could someone ask what Jono thinks of XBMC? And if canonical ever considered integrating it in ubuntu rather than creating their own TV experience?
[19:53] <HackerFinn> QUESTION: How would you explain what Ubuntu is, to a complete computer newbie?
[19:53] <Feeder> QUESTION: Whats for dinner?`
[19:54] <mhall119> Feeder: horse
[19:54] <mhall119> palefat: the Ubuntu TV is currently collaborating with MythTV developers
[19:54] <Feeder> mhall119: :D
[19:54] <Elken> QUESTION: Any plans for more life insurance books in the future?
[19:55] <pemibo> QUESTION: Have you missed my question? ;)
[19:55] <none_of_them> QUESTION: Lots of people rely on Googles services on their devices. Is Canonical taking this into account? E.g. Maps, Calendar etc.
[19:55] <HackerFinn> I think you missed my question too. :)
[19:56] <HackerFinn> QUESTION: How would you explain Ubuntu to a complete newbie?
[19:56] <none_of_them> Great. Thank You
[19:56] <HackerFinn> Thank you. :)
[19:56] <HackerFinn> I don't trhink so.
[19:56] <HackerFinn> At least I missed it.
[19:56] <darkone778> he did hacker
[19:56] <HackerFinn> I'øm sorry.
[19:56] <DanS_> QUESTION: Initially Ubuntu phone is a Galaxy Nexus ROM.. any idea of what phones would be supported next?
[19:56] <HackerFinn> Can you recap it real quick?
[19:56] <HackerFinn> :)
[19:56] <Elken> Cheers @Jono
[19:56] <mhall119> pemibo: if a project is secret, you can't talk about it :P
[19:57] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: ^ one more Q
[19:57] <Tuxkalle> hopefully i see you next time :-)
[19:57] <none_of_them> Thanks Jono
[19:57] <mhall119> DanS_: only the GNexus has been committed to
[19:57] <pemibo> Thanks Jono, thanks JoseeAntonioR, thanks the other guy ;)
[19:57] <bashrc> Thanks Jono
[19:57] <mhall119> thanks JoseeAntonioR
[19:57] <DanS_> thanks mhall119
[19:58] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: that's what I'm here for :)
[20:17] <Ikons> Question: How does Canonical plan to woo must have apps like Facebook and Twitter... which Canonical cannot make and its unlikely that either company would put work into a minority mobile platform?
[20:22] <From> QUESTION: Do you have any news regarding an Ubuntu for Phone image for Galaxy Nexus?
[21:01] <dimitrakhs1> Dimitris from Greece here!
[21:03] <dimitrakhs1> QUESTION I have two for 13.04:Will OSD notifier be clickable,and unity arrangeable position(like windows position)?
[21:03] <dimitrakhs1> taskbar
[21:12] <dimitrakhs1> QUESTION:Will Ubuntu phone will be able to handle Android and OS apps like it's rumored for Tizen?
[21:55] <dimitrakhs1> QUESTION:I have like thousants of ideas for Ubuntu,how can i contribute?
[21:58] <dimitrakhs1> QUESTION Clickable OSD Notifier?
[22:48] <redtape-renegade> Jon's grumpy cat wall paper ----------> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/background%20jonos%20grumpy%20cat%20wallpaper.png
[22:48] <redtape-renegade> **Jono's


[05:35] <CarlFK> is there a package I can install that will give me http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/linux and initrd.gz ?
[05:37] <CarlFK> it is to put on a pxe server, I boot them to do preseeded installs


[00:12] <ScottK> mathiaz: Did you see the Debian RFH on openldap?
[00:13] <ScottK> I think it would be good if someone from the Ubuntu Server community stood up and volunteered to help.
[00:16] <mathiaz> ScottK: I saw it. I heard about it during Intrepid uds last may.
[00:17] <ScottK> OK.  Well I know about zip about openldap, but I think it's important ....
[00:40] <slangasek> dendrobates: there are several server install tests not done yet for 8.04.2; can someone from the team take care of the default+crypted LVM, tomcat server, and virtualization host tests?
[00:42] <mathiaz> slangasek: tomcat server and virtualization host don't exist in 8.04.
[00:44] <slangasek> oh, that helps then
[00:49] <slangasek> dendrobates: also, I haven't rolled new JeOS images because I haven't seen any changes in 8.04.2 that are particularly relevant to virtualization installs; is this reasonable, or do you think I should roll those in?
[01:00] <timholum> hello i am wondering if anyone could help me in routing with ubuntu server 8.04, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward returns 0, and ufw is disabled but i can not ping through my router ( i am using it just as a network to network router, no nat )
[01:00] <timholum> iptables -L lists no rules
[01:00] <timholum> any idea's
[01:02] <mathiaz> timholum: you probably need to turn ipforwarding on
[01:02] <mathiaz> timholum: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward should be 1 not 0
[01:03] <slangasek> precisely
[01:03] <timholum> ok :) that would probably do it :)
[01:05] <timholum> I had it as 1 before but then it still was not working, I think i just figured it out :) the host that i am trying to ping does not know the route back. I feel rilly dumb now :)
[01:05] <timholum> Thanks for your help
[01:09] <slangasek> heh, if you had that realization on your own you're clearly ahead of the curve ;)
[01:20] <rdw200169> yes, networking 101 is *essential* to running a server or a network
[01:21] <rdw200169> solves 99% of crazy problems ;)
[01:34] <altf2o> So i've been trying (unsuccessfully) to get LDAP or NIS working. Got NFS ok. However i JUST read SAMBA is capable of basically doing EVERYTHING I want from file sharing, to authentication. So my goal is to have a single folder for ALL users to share from. Any ideas how i might set that up on the filesystem to be exported for use in SAMBA?
[01:35] <altf2o> i've got 1 user: altf2o , for which i created a samba PW for, and i access m /home/altf2o from XP no problem. But since i want a single folder i was thinking of creating a partition, mounting it say /mnt/globalshare/ , and seeing if i can restrict the access to it?
[01:48] <jmedina> altf2o: yes you can
[01:48] <jmedina> you can restrict with basic unix permisions
[01:49] <jmedina> but you can also use ACL, just mount your partition with the acl option, and then you can use setfacl to get ACL a la windows
[01:49] <jmedina> and with samba compiled with acl, you can set those advanced permisions from windows
[01:51] <jmedina> altf2o: this is a good howto, Im writting a book about samba and centrilized auth for linux and windows based on hardy
[01:51] <jmedina> but is in spanish
[01:51] <jmedina> altf2o: http://www.djatlantic.net/?p=253
[01:56] <altf2o> ahh, cool! That's exactly what i need! I have several Windows workstations & Linux workstations, plus a couple Mac workstations. I need 1 central login + shared location. Will your book be translated to English?
[01:57] <jmedina> altf2o: I dont think so, Im not so good writing in english :S
[01:58] <jmedina> but the howto is written in a way that you can deploy it with copy and paste :D
[01:58] <jmedina> let me upload the last version
[02:02] <altf2o> awesome thanks! Makes me wish i wouldn't have forgotten all my spanish :)
[02:05] <jmedina> http://tuxjm.net/docs/cursos/Samba+OpenLDAP+PAM+NSS-4Ubuntu/html/
[02:05] <jmedina> altf2o: http://tuxjm.net/docs/cursos/Samba+OpenLDAP+PAM+NSS-4Ubuntu/html/
[02:07] <altf2o> oddly enough Google translator appears to have done a decent job with it :). Thanks i'll have to give this a look. I'm very new to all this networking stuff, so it's becoming a bit overwhelming at times.
[02:08] <jmedina> altf2o: that is what I just check
[02:08] <jmedina> :D
[02:10] <altf2o> awesome!
[02:11] <jmedina> altf2o: if you want, I can help you with the setup
[02:12] <jmedina> I'd like to get feedback, till now, only 3 people replyd me with success
[02:13] <altf2o> for sure! I will most likely not get enough free time to go through all this setup until this weekend, but if you'll be around then, i'll be more than happy to sit and get through as much as i can & let you know how it goes? And if you're available for assistance, that'd be great!
[02:14] <jmedina> altf2o: if im not online, you can contact me by email
[02:15] <jmedina> it is on the frontpage
[02:15] <altf2o> cool! I've got it on the top of the front page, i'll be sure to do so! Thanks again for the help, i appreciate it.
[02:16] <jmedina> you are welcom
[02:19] <jmedina> altf2o: if you find errors please let me know
[02:22] <altf2o> will do. It's definitely gonna be a big project to get this all working, there's a lot of information here.
[02:42] <liquid>  Is there any way to limit cpu/memory consumption on a process basis, rather than a user (which I would use ulimit for) ?
[03:36] <genii> When ssh in and use sudo a few times... then logout and back in shortly after... sudo does not prompt for password first time out. Any way to set sudo timout to expire/reset when logout occurs?
[03:37] <jmedina> man sudo
[03:37] <jmedina> :D
[03:39] <jmedina> sudo -k
[03:40] <jmedina> the token expires in 15 minutes
[03:40] <genii> jmedina: Hm. Now just need to edit logout script then to do equiv of sudo -k
[03:40] <jmedina> yeap
[03:40] <jmedina> echo "sudo -k" >> ~/.bash_logout
[03:42] <genii> more like echo "sudo -k" | sudo tee -a /etc/skel/.bash_logout
[03:42] <genii> jmedina: Thanks
[03:42] <jmedina> :)
[03:43] <jmedina> this is for the FAQ
[04:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #319472 in likewise-open (main) "I am so beginer I don't even know what went wrong!! (dup-of: 277492)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/319472
[04:47] <liquid> lol
[04:49] <ziggles1> at least he logged it
[04:49] <liquid> I guess!
[04:50] <ziggles1> wow already flagged as a dupe too! lol
[04:50] <ziggles1> Bug has been alive for 12 min :)
[04:50] <liquid> Yeah, that;s why I lol'd
[08:48] <SmokeyD> anybody have any thoughts on ispconfig versus dtc?
[08:54] <kraut> moin
[09:04] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #292791 in samba (main) "silent login/gdm failures and sudo segfaults with smbpasswd enabled" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292791
[11:47] <ivoks> anyone interested in seeing hylafax in main?
[11:48] <ivoks> heh... looks like development ended in 2007 :/
[11:51] <ivoks> or not :D
[12:17] <sprobe> hello mates.. is anyone familiar with virtualization on ubuntu server? I've just seen that RHEL5 limits its academic version to 4 guest os which pisses me off frankly.. and looking for alternatives, stumbled across ubuntu server
[12:19] <ivoks> sprobe: atm i'm running 4 ubuntu guests on my ubuntu 8.10
[12:19] <ivoks> sprobe: there are no limitations on number of guests, except your hardware resources
[12:21] <sprobe> ivoks: nice thx
[12:23] <sprobe> I've seen that ubuntu is derived from debian.. now I've got a specific question.. my server system is a HP ML370 G5 and comes with various drivers of course.. and there are binaries for debian 4.0.. does anyone know if I will be able to install those drivers on ubunutu server? are the cahnces rather high, low? impossible?
[12:23] <ivoks> drivers for what?
[12:24] <sprobe> lemme get it for you
[12:25] <ivoks> drivers aren't binary compatibile between ubuntu and debian
[12:25] <ivoks> but you shouldn't need any driver for most of the servers
[12:26] <ivoks> heh
[12:26] <sprobe> yea, I am just getting into detail here.. seems to be only daemons no drivers
[12:26] <ivoks> i have one of those servers
[12:26] <ivoks>     description: Computer
[12:26] <ivoks>     product: ProLiant ML370 G5
[12:26] <sprobe> ye, that's it, HP
[12:27] <ivoks> and i'm runnning ubuntu on it; no problems
[12:27] <sprobe> ah alright, so installing those management tools on it did work fine as well? you know, if a HDD fails, you get an email and that kinda stuff
[12:27] <ivoks> i didn't install those
[12:28] <ivoks> i've installed additional hardware in that machine
[12:28] <sprobe> that's what I was talkinga bout.. http://tinyurl.com/7jmesu
[12:28] <sprobe> well alright, might work, might no ^
[12:29] <ivoks> if it's not related to kernel, it should work
[12:29] <ivoks> i'll try installing
[12:30] <sprobe> yea, sorry for my questions.. but I am using RHEL4, RHEL5 up to now, and I never had any troubles with hackers and stuff (sticking to the original packages). moving to another system is always quite a large step.
[12:31] <sprobe> I do use it for web applications, so security is a #1 issue
[12:34] <ivoks> well, most of the packages installed :)
[12:34] <sprobe> :)
[12:35] <sprobe> what would you say, stick with RHEL5 or move over to ubuntu server? It's not a migration, I am getting a new server and could choose upon installing
[12:36] <ivoks> sprobe: ubuntu
[12:36] <sprobe> ivoks: just because ? ;)
[12:37] <_ruben> because this is an ubuntu channel probably
[12:37] <sprobe> na it seems to support virtualization well enough and I am getting more and more angry at RH politics
[12:39] <axisys> after I did a aptitude full-upgrade as requested by apticron I get this message ..
[12:39] <axisys> Current status: 0 updates [-2].
[12:39] <axisys> what is that mean?
[12:44] <ivoks> axisys: 0 updates?
[12:45] <axisys> ivoks: yep.. that was the exact message I got
[12:45] <ivoks> axisys: it means '0 updates'
[12:45] <ivoks> no updates
[12:45] <ivoks> like, nothing to do
[12:46] <axisys> Here is another one.. it did upgrade but gave -13 at the end, http://pastebin.com/f230a0c70
[12:47] <ivoks> axisys: after it installed 13 packages
[12:48] <axisys> ivoks: ok.. now i understand..
[12:48] <axisys> ivoks: thnx
[12:48] <ivoks> axisys: np
[12:49] <ivoks> sprobe: i would (i did, and i always do) go with ubuntu
[12:49] <ivoks> sprobe: those management tool are usefull, but not something you can't live without
[12:51] <sprobe> ivoks: I am seriously considering it.The tools aren't my #1 concern.  My #1 concern  is that packages are always up to date and fixed ASAP once an overflow has been found. I have very good experiences there with RHEL, none with Ubuntu.
[12:52] <ivoks> sprobe: recent Croatian's CERT report said Ubuntu was faster than RedHat with security updates
[12:53] <sprobe> ivoks: good resource, that'd be a very good argument once I start discussing a switch over to Ubuntu internally
[12:54] <sprobe> ivoks: could you provide me a link to that report perhaps? I am just searching
[12:54] <ivoks> sprobe: it's in croatian
[12:54] <ivoks> sprobe: http://www.cert.hr/documents.php?id=357
[12:54] <ivoks> sprobe: but it has nice charts :)
[12:55] <ivoks> sprobe: s/red hat/fedora, though
[12:56] <sprobe> ivoks: yea, just looking through the pdf atm
[12:57] <ivoks> sprobe: page 16, table 2: bugs (very critical, critical, moderate, low risk, harmless)
[12:58] <sprobe> ivoks: thanks, looks understandable :)
[12:58] <ivoks> sprobe: anyway, there are studies in english too, just search on werb
[12:59] <ivoks> web
[13:02] <ivoks> sprobe: failed disks in compaq controler can be seen in syslog
[13:12] <sprobe> ivoks: thanks a lot - I am currently looking for some studies .. perhaps I find one in English like the one you found in Croatian.
[13:33] <MianoSM> So....reading the logs from the meeting yesterday screen-profiles is going to become a dependancy for anyone installing Screen from the repositories?
[13:35] <ivoks> MianoSM: i guess ti will be recommended package (installed by default with screen, but still possible to remove it while keeping screen)
[13:35] <MianoSM> Sad.
[13:35] <ivoks> why?
[13:35] <MianoSM> I don't think many of the server administrators is going to want that.
[13:35] <ivoks> installed doesn't mean used
[13:36] <MianoSM> I can't get it at the moment because I don't have the most recent bzr, but I'd imagine if it's installing a .screenrc for me - that's an annoyance that I'm going to have to over write with my current profile that I prefer.
[13:36] <Deeps> it doesn't overwrite your .screenrc by default
[13:36] <Deeps> by default it does nothing
[13:36] <MianoSM> I'll have to update the bzr and look at it.
[13:37] <Deeps> ..which confused me when i first installed it, heh, since it came with no documentation
[13:37] <MianoSM> I'm a minimalist, and this seems like excess on server installs.
[13:37] <Deeps> ubuntu-server isn't exactly minimal, heh
[13:38] <fauxhawk> Deeps: how do you use screen-profiles then if it does nothing by default?
[13:38] <MianoSM> Understood, but I normally do a minimal install, and then sudo apt-get install a few packages that aren't too bad.
[13:38] <Deeps> speaking of which, is there a more minimal install than the jeos install? since that comes with the -virtual kernel rather than -server or -generic. something like debian's minimal, which really is minimal
[13:38] <Deeps> fauxhawk: you run select-screen-profile, and enable one of the provided profiles
[13:39] <ivoks> brb
[13:39] <MianoSM> Deeps: if you want, you can do a Jeos install and then add your own custom compiled kernel.
[13:40] <Deeps> ..or just apt-get the -server install
[13:40] <Deeps> urr, the -server kernel
[13:40] <Deeps> anyway bbl
[13:40] <MianoSM> If you're going for a minimal install you don't want the server-kernel.
[13:40] <MianoSM> You'll want to custom compile your own anyway.
[13:51] <_ruben> the difference in disk footprint between jeos and server is minimal .. and you lose stuff like proper auto completion and the likes
[13:51] <_ruben> hence i gave up on using jeos
[14:12] <fauxhawk> _ruben: what
[14:13] <fauxhawk> i think the point that mianosm is making is not the disk footprint; but instead additional packages that are not needed for a server install
[14:27] <frippz> auto-completion and other stuff can easily be added afterwards anyway
[14:29] <hads> Can't you select a kernel flavour when installing JeOS?
[14:41] <yann2> mmh  - I need help for launchpad - where should I go?
[14:41] <persia> yann2, #launchpad
[14:41] <yann2> thanks
[14:45] <kaushal> hi
[14:45] <kaushal> I have written a bash script
[14:45] <kaushal> http://rafb.net/p/nfFgtE67.html
[14:45] <kaushal> it does not start as tomcat user
[14:45] <kaushal> I am using Ubuntu 8.04
[14:46] <kaushal> I am doubting on line 14
[15:00] <zul> kirkland: ping
[15:01] <zul> kirkland: unping
[15:14] <kaushal> zul, hi
[15:14] <zul> kaushal: hi
[15:15] <kaushal> can i disuss with you about my bash script?
[15:15] <kaushal> which is running on ubuntu 8.04
[15:15] <zul> kaushal: im a bit busy right now but try running it with set -x
[15:15] <kaushal> i did that
[15:16] <kaushal> it does not seem to work :(
[15:16] <kaushal> it works fine as root but not as tomcat
[15:17] <kaushal> Starting tomcat: + su -c /usr/local/apache-tomcat-5.5.27/bin/startup.sh tomcat
[15:17] <kaushal> + echo done.
[15:17] <kaushal> done.
[15:17] <kaushal> but it does not show up in ps status
[16:09] <cjwatson> could some folks test the 8.04.2 candidate server images on iso.qa.ubuntu.com, please?
[16:10] <cjwatson> we had to respin them this morning owing to a bug affecting upgrades from un-upgraded 8.04 systems; the release is due tomorrow
[16:14] <ocz> ftp://hackers.myftp.biz
[16:14] <ocz> ftp://gnone.myvnc.com
[16:14] <ocz> ftp://tecnica.serveftp.com
[16:14] <ocz> ftp://descargas.serveblog.net
[16:14] <ocz> usuario tecnica
[16:14] <ocz> password tecnica
[16:14] <ocz> para los cuantro link , que los disfruten :P
[16:17] <andol> cjwatson: How much testing are we talkinga bout? I should be able to do a plain install, but I'm not sure how much more time i have right now.
[16:17] <slangasek> mathiaz: hi, there's been a server CD reroll for server 8.04.2 because of a Package index bug; time to test today? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all
[16:17] <cjwatson> iso.qa.ubuntu.com has links to the procedures; single installs would make up one test case each, basically
[16:18] <cjwatson> so that would certainly be a worthwhile contribution
[16:18] <mathiaz> slangasek: yes - I'll queue these test now
[16:18] <andol> Ok, I'll see what I can manage.
[16:18] <mathiaz> slangasek: results should be available in a few hours
[16:18] <slangasek> mathiaz: cheers
[16:19] <cjwatson> andol: thanks
[16:23] <andol> cjwatson: the download links seems broken.
[16:23] <cjwatson> hmm?
[16:23] <mathiaz> apachelogger: hi - re your mysql 5.1 patch: I haven't looked at them but wait before doing an upload
[16:24] <mathiaz> apachelogger: seems are not as easy as it seems if we want to keep both 5.0 and 5.1 usable with the standard mysql server.
[16:24] <cjwatson> andol: yes, they are - should be ubuntu-server/hardy/daily not ubuntu-server/daily
[16:24] <mathiaz> apachelogger: I've been looking into this issue for a few days now
[16:25] <mathiaz> Riddell: ^^ - I haven't forgotten your mysql email. I've just been investigating the issue.
[16:25] <cjwatson> andol: I've brought it up with the maintainer of that site
[16:25] <andol> cjwatson: found it, downloading
[16:26] <Riddell> mathiaz: from our side we don't care about the 5.1 server, only the libs and the few data files
[16:27] <mathiaz> Riddell: right. And akonadi requires a full server running (ie mysqld)
[16:28] <mathiaz> Riddell: which means that both mysql-5.0 and mysql-5.1 should installable at the same time on the same system
[16:28] <Riddell> mathiaz: it requires mysqld which is runs as the user for a local database
[16:28] <mathiaz> Riddell: and as of now amarok still depends on mysql-server-5.1
[16:29] <Riddell> mathiaz: mysql-server-core-5.0 for akonadi and mysql-server-data-5.1 for amarok
[16:29] <Riddell> they install together fine with the changes we've made
[16:31] <mathiaz> Riddell: right - I'm not sure if they both run fine (in standalone mode) with the latest 5.1 changes.
[16:31] <mathiaz> Riddell: but Kde doesn't require that
[16:31] <Riddell> exactly
[16:33] <nijaba> kirkland: saw your merge.  You did not like the keybinding preset handling or did not have time to merge that?
[16:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: actually, I was wondering... does amarok not also depend on libmysqlclient16?
[16:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes it does
[16:34] <mathiaz> apachelogger: mysql client library aren't a problem
[16:34] <apachelogger> ah, that doesn't conflict anyway
[16:34] <mathiaz> apachelogger: libmysqlient1{56} can coexist
[16:34] <apachelogger> aye
[16:35] <mathiaz> apachelogger: the issue is with the servers and MySQL scripts that run them
[16:35] <mathiaz> apachelogger: they're not designed to support multiple instance of MySQL
[16:35] <apachelogger> yeah, the debdiff only resolves the KDE use case :)
[16:35] <mathiaz> apachelogger: for ex mysqld_safe looks at /usr/bin/mysqld
[16:36] <apachelogger> mathiaz: well, if you are ok with it, we should upload the debdiff ASAP
[16:36] <apachelogger> currently we have two essential KDE packages conflict due to the mysql conflict
[16:37] <mathiaz> apachelogger: I know. I'm subscribed to the mysql-dfsg-5.{01} bugs and I see them coming in.
[16:37] <mathiaz> apachelogger: I still need to investigate the issue. While it makes to fix it just for KDE, MySQL is a key package in the server team
[16:38] <mathiaz> apachelogger: and we need to properly support running mysql-5.0 and mysql-5.1
[16:38] <apachelogger> *nod*
[16:38] <kirkland> nijaba: a little of both
[16:38] <apachelogger> good with me, I have fixed packages installed now :P
[16:38] <kirkland> nijaba: that's separate functionality
[16:38] <kirkland> nijaba: should be committed separately
[16:38] <mathiaz> apachelogger: so for now, there is a workaround in LP about the issue with amarok and mysql-5.1
[16:38] <kirkland> nijaba: i wanted to test the escape sequence parts thoroughly
[16:39] <kirkland> nijaba: there were a few things that needed fixing there
[16:39] <mathiaz> apachelogger: and I'm looking into the big picture.
[16:39] <nijaba> kirkland: ok, fine, just wanted to know
[16:39] <kirkland> nijaba: for instance, the create-and-name-new-window involves a bindkey
[16:39] <apachelogger> mathiaz: ok :)
[16:39] <ScottK> mathiaz: What bug has the workaround?
[16:39] <mathiaz> apachelogger: I'll have a look at your patch and may ask further questions on what is exactly required by amarok for 5.1
[16:39] <kirkland> nijaba: that, too, has to be formed and written out with the escape bit
[16:39] <kirkland> nijaba: sorry, "register" bits
[16:40] <mathiaz> ScottK: bug 316849
[16:40] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 316849 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 "mysql-server-5.1 doesn't start - skip-bdb option unsupported" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316849
[16:40] <kirkland> nijaba: also, numbers don't work as escape keys
[16:40] <mathiaz> ScottK: the workaround is to remove the skip-bdb option from /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[16:40] <mathiaz> ScottK: this option is supported by 5.0 but not by 5.1
[16:40] <nijaba> kirkland: same for any non alpha char then
[16:40] <kirkland> nijaba: needed to add some code to keep those from being set
[16:40] <kirkland> nijaba: not true...  i could use ~ and @ just fine
[16:40] <nijaba> kirkland: yep, I did notice that
[16:41] <nijaba> kirkland: really?  I did not know
[16:41] <mathiaz> ScottK: the reason it's in my.cnf from 5.0 is because it's no longer supported in 5.1 and we want to warn the user about it.
[16:41] <ScottK> mathiaz: I see.  Thanks.
[16:41] <kirkland> nijaba: so this code, i think, should get some testing first
[16:42] <ScottK> mathiaz: The co-installability issue is a pressing one for Kubuntu, do you think we might go ahead with apachelogger's current proposed upload and sort the rest after?
[16:42] <nijaba> kirkland: right.  b
[16:43] <mathiaz> ScottK: give me a few days to look into that.
[16:44] <mathiaz> ScottK: If I don't come up with something by Friday, you can upload it.
[17:32] <andol> cjwatson: Well, the tests are going good so far :)
[17:36] <ScottK> mathiaz: Thanks.
[17:37] <cjwatson> andol: glad to hear it
[17:56] <kinley> hello, it is possible to use mysql 5.1 in prod env now ? are there any minor bugs in current relaese ?
[18:06] <cjwatson> I can answer the second question very easily with no knowledge of mysql
[18:06] <cjwatson> "yes" :-)
[18:06] <cjwatson> (all software has bugs)
[18:08] <kinley> lol, thats true ;)
[18:09] <kinley> but the answer is not very helpfully
[18:18] <ScottK> I can answer the first in an Ubuntu context with no knowledge of mysql.  Since we only offer 5.1 in a development release, no.  Not suitable for production in Ubuntu.
[18:21] <interested> Hi,  I'd like to know if there are ways to run some sort of script or program on an ubuntu system which will list the security issues for whichever programs currently installed may have had a USN
[18:22] <interested> Case in point, I have a ubuntu server thats quite old which has a few exposed services and I'd like to check which are effected without having to upgrade the entire system right away
[18:25] <jmarsden|work> interested: You could run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -s upgrade and note what it wants to upgrade, then read the changelogs for those packages to see why?
[18:25] <jmedina> inyou can use apticron
[18:26] <interested> jmarsden|work: sure, ill give that a shot then...maybe only looking at the security feed
[18:26] <interested> was more interested in something like desecan for ubuntu
[18:26] <jmedina> apticron automatically runs apt-get update and send you a mail about new upgrades and security updates
[18:27] <jmedina> and a little review about security updates including the CVE number
[18:27] <jmedina> jmarsden|work: I think that is what apticron does
[18:28] <interested> Ah, thanks jmedina
[18:28] <jmedina> and you can also use a nagios plugin for apt
[18:28] <jmedina> :D
[18:36] <asomething> hi all, any one know if if the new samba4~alpha6 from Debian experimental will be synced for Jaunty?
[18:37] <Mohammad[B]> how to i can resize the swap partition in command line ?
[18:42] <jmedina> I dont know a tool to resize a swap
[18:43] <jmedina> I better create another swap
[18:43] <cjwatson> it's faster to just create it from scratch anyway
[18:43] <jmedina> you can mountit with the another priority, so is used only when first swap is filled, or you can mount it with the same priority, the both swaps are used in a round robin fashin
[18:44] <cjwatson> you can use your favourite partitioning tool to resize the partition itself, and then just mkswap over the top
[18:44] <cjwatson> if you don't want to have two adjacent swap partitions, which some might feel to be untidy
[19:11] <tbielawa> Greetings all. I'd love to see screen in main.  What are the current arguments for adding that dependency?
[19:13] <ScottK> I'd say recommends at most.
[19:17] <tbielawa> I agree with that
[19:18] <Deeps> there are actually many major bugs still outstanding in mysql 5.1
[19:19] <Deeps> or at least, there was at the time of release, odds are many of them are still there; http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2008/11/oops-we-did-it-again-mysql-51-released.html
[19:29] <cjwatson> screen has been in main for years
[19:29] <cjwatson> in fact, it was there in warty
[19:30] <MianoSM> tbielawa: I agree.
[19:31] <fauxhawk> tbielawa: I concur
[19:31] <MianoSM> cjwatson: The issue isn't with screen, it's with adding extraneous packages that are nice to have, but not something many of the older ornery admins are most likely going to embrace.
[19:31] <cjwatson> MianoSM: sure, but tbielawa said "I'd love to see screen in main".
[19:31] <tbielawa> My mistake there, misread the blog post.
[19:31] <MianoSM> cjwatson: He was talking about the screen-profiles maybe?
[19:31] <tbielawa> Yes
[19:32] <cjwatson> I assumed it was probably a typo or thinko, but wanted to nip confusion in the bud
[19:32] <tbielawa> :)
[19:33] <tbielawa> I ought to check the mailing list.
[19:33] <fauxhawk> told to me by our IT dept: "what is this putty thing?" me: "an opensource program to access a remote shell" ITguy:"if it is open source, why does it ask you for a password when you run it?"
[19:33] <tbielawa> ...
[19:34] <genii> fauxhawk: Hopefully he's not one of the head IT guys.
[19:36] <fauxhawk> genii: thank god no
[19:36] <MianoSM> fauxhawk: I'd bet 1,000,000 he's bald, amirite?
[19:36] <fauxhawk> MianoSM: HOW DID YOU KNOW
[19:37] <MianoSM> if he knew the loonixes he'd have tons o hair like RMS
[19:39] <tbielawa> I took a picture of myself the other day and realized I looked like an RMS like looney some times
[19:40] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #319718 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (universe) "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.30-2ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: aliprosessi post-installation script palautti virhetilakoodin 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/319718
[20:39] <DogWater> Does anyone here use kickstart to install Ubuntu? is there any way to issue a command that will just wipe out the filesystems completely before it gets to the disk partitioner? mainly to avoid problems with LVM?
[21:06] <kaje> The settings in /etc/resolv.conf keep changing on me... I think it is being caused by a DHCP renew or something. How can I stop it?
[21:08] <jmarsden|work> kaje: Edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf so it doesn't get DNS info from DHCP -- if that is what you want?  Or just configure the server with a static IP and don't use DHCP.
[21:09] <kaje> do I configure it with a static ip in /etc/networking/interfaces?
[21:10] <user___> y
[21:10] <jmarsden|work> Yes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html
[21:11] <jmarsden|work> Reading that whole guide is worthwhile if you are running Ubuntu Server, by the way.
[21:11] <kaje> thanks!
[21:11] <jmarsden|work> You're welcome.
[21:14] <orudie> how can i go to a specific line number in nano ?
[21:14] <jmarsden|work> orudie: nano +1234 filename.txt
[21:14] <genii> orudie: nano +1234 filename          goes to line 1234
[21:15] <jmarsden|work> We used the same example line number :)
[21:15] <genii> hehe
[21:19] <DogWater> oh man what did they do to kickstart  in 8.10
[21:19] <DogWater> its totally broken
[21:56] <ziggles> I just finished the following tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOSVMBuilder , VM started ok but i cannot ping it... is there any way to debug?
[21:59] <jmedina> just like any other system
[22:00] <jmedina> check your interface is up and with link (ethtool), run a sniffer and see if you have incoming traffic
[22:00] <jmedina> tcpdump -i ethX
[22:04] <ziggles> thanks jmedina
[23:03] <smgoller_> Hi, I'm planning on doing an install of ubuntu server under vmware server 2 and I was curious as to if it would be that much better to do a JeOS install instead of the normal server version.
[23:04] <smgoller_> This would just be a one off, not packaging an appliance for distribution
[23:04] <jtaji> smgoller_: I would stick with server
[23:06] <smgoller_> ok, I was curious since JeOS claims to remove a lot of the things a kernel would need for a physical computer but not a virtual one
[23:07] <P4C0> hello, when I installed ubuntu server, it asked for the way to install updates, i choose automatic, however I can't see any cronttab or similar for that... how are automatic updates done in ubuntu server?
[23:08] <smgoller_> thanks for the opinion, jtaji :)
[23:12] <Slart> P4C0: did you get an answer for your apt-update question?
[23:12] <P4C0> Slart: no
[23:12] <Slart> P4C0: have you checked in /etc/cron.daily/  ?
[23:13] <P4C0> i don't have the box right now, but I think i checked them... is there were it's supposed to be?
[23:13] <Slart> P4C0: I'm not sure.. but I have a script in there called apt that does a lot of things.. that might be it
[23:14] <P4C0> Slart: thanks I will give it a try when I get home
[23:15] <Slart> P4C0: you're welcome
[23:16] <Blaenk> hey guys I'm running lightttpd on my ubuntu server and I can't figure out how to install memcached for php5
[23:21] <andol> cjwatson: Should there be a Tomcat-test for hardy 8.04.2 server?
[23:24] <mathiaz> andol: no
[23:24] <mathiaz> andol: tomcat5 is only available starting from intrepid
[23:24] <mathiaz> andol: same for the host virtualization use case
[23:33] <kaje> I've set up a SingleSignOn configuration using the how-to on ubuntu's wikis. When a user ssh's into a machine with a password, it gets a kerberos ticket for them. However, when they ssh in with a public key, it does not get a ticket. How do I set it up to grant them a ticket?
[23:33] <Gargoyle> Greetings. Anyone alive? I am remotely reconfiguring IP addresses of servers and was wondering if anyone would double check my configs as I will be screwed if I get them wrong! :o)
[23:37] <Gargoyle> if I am multi homing an interface should I keep eth0 and then add eth0:0, eth0:1 etc, or change eth0 to become eth0:0?
[23:38] <jmarsden|work> Gargoyle: Keep eth0, add the alias(es) you need.
[23:38] <andol> mathiaz: ok, thanks.
[23:39] <Gargoyle> This look OK?
[23:39] <Gargoyle> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/46401
[23:40] <Gargoyle> And can I use ifconfig eth0:0 up to bring the extra one online, or do I need to fully restart networking?
[23:41] <vigo> Is there a script available to start UFW on boot?
[23:41] <jdstrand> vigo: 'sudo ufw enable' is all you need to do
[23:41] <vigo> Thank you
[23:42] <Blaenk> hey guys I installed php5-memcache and it added the appropriate conf file but looking at phpinfo, it won't read/parse it
[23:44] <Fishscene> How do I re-detect my network adapters? I am using Ubuntu 8.10
[23:44] <Fishscene> UBuntu Server 8.10*
[23:44] <Gargoyle> I am trying to pring up eth0:0 and I am getting "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address". Any ideas?
[23:49] <Gargoyle> OK, a bit odd. ifup eth0:0 gave me the same error, but it did actually bring up the interface!
[23:51] <Deeps> Gargoyle: that approach is deprecated in favour of using ip addr add ip/32 dev eth0
[23:51] <Deeps> Gargoyle: unfortauntely there's no nice way to do it beyond having a for loop or multiple up lines in your eth0 definition in interfaces
[23:53] <Fishscene> Using Ubuntu Server, the adapters seemingly refuse to get a DHCP IP address during install. However, when using the desktop cd, the same computer gets a DHCP ip address without any problems. Since Ubuntu Server won't install my ethernet adapters during the OS install, I still need to install them. How do I go about doing this?
[23:53] <Gargoyle> Deeps: Soo you don't define eth0:0, etc  entries in interfaces anymore?


[00:10] <seg|ars> I'm trying to figure out the relation between a series and milestone. Are there any docs that provide guidance on general best practices for launchpad release management?
[00:11] <james_w> seg|ars: a series can have several milestones
[00:11] <james_w> so you could have a "1.0" series that is your stable branch, and a "trunk" series that is your development releases
[00:12] <seg|ars> ok
[00:12] <james_w> "1.0.1" would be a milestone on your "1.0" series
[00:12] <james_w> https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/SeriesMilestonesReleases
[00:12] <seg|ars> thanks
[00:13] <seg|ars> that's exactly what I was looking for
[00:13] <lifeless> how does one decline a bug nomination these days?
[00:13] <james_w> lifeless: decline one that is proposed, or reject one that was previously accepted?
[00:14] <lifeless> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/305006
[00:14] <lifeless> the 1.18 nomination
[00:15] <wgrant> lifeless: Click the '(approve)' green link, and then the [Approve] button.
[00:15] <james_w> nope
[00:15] <james_w> it's gone!
[00:16] <james_w> do you see one on that page wgrant?
[00:16] <wgrant> james_w: Of course not; I've no relationship to /bzr.
[00:16] <james_w> just checking, because I don't see one
[00:16] <wgrant> I was deep in this code a couple of days ago, and the permission calculation is somewhat obscure.
[00:16]  * wgrant looks again.
[00:17] <james_w> we are both members of the "Maintainer" of bzr, but we aren't the driver
[00:17] <wgrant> lifeless, james_w: Do you get the buttons for the other series?
[00:17] <james_w> there is no "Release manager" for that series
[00:18] <james_w> no button for 1.18 or 2.0
[00:18] <lifeless> james_w: no buttons
[00:19] <james_w> I see it on Ubuntu still
[00:19] <james_w> so it's a permissions thing rather than a bug with it not being drawn at all I guess
[00:21] <wgrant> Aha.
[00:21] <wgrant> It looks deliberate.
[00:21] <wgrant> Sort of.
[00:22] <wgrant> You need to be a driver of the nomination target. For permission purposes, the drivers of a project series are the owner of the series, drivers of the series, and the drivers of the project.
[00:22] <wgrant> The project drivers are the assigned driver, or the owner if there is no assigned driver.
[00:23] <james_w> the assigned driver is poolie by the look of it
[00:23] <wgrant> Right.
[00:23] <james_w> I'm not sure who owns the series?
[00:23] <wgrant> Which is crackful.
[00:23] <wgrant> Whoever created it, I suspect.
[00:23] <james_w> probably
[00:23] <wgrant> But it's probably a bug that the owner can unconditionally do it.
[00:23] <lifeless> I've mailed the bzr list
[00:24] <lifeless> wgrant: I don't think thats a bug
[00:24] <james_w> I think it's a bug that Rob is unable to do something with the bzr project :-)
[00:24] <lifeless> owning something should mean something
[00:24] <james_w> but that's perhaps just a structure thing
[00:24] <wgrant> Hm.
[00:24] <wgrant> Actually.
[00:24] <wgrant> lifeless, you're an ~admin, aren't you?
[00:24] <lifeless> not any more
[00:24] <wgrant> Ahhh.
[00:25] <lifeless> I was, but one day there was no duck.
[00:25] <lifeless> And as its not part of my job description I haven't made any effort to get it back.
[00:26] <wgrant> I just thought something was rather broken when I realised you should have launchpad.Driver privileges anyway.
[00:28]  * wgrant vanishes.
[05:35] <poolie> how do i change the driver of an existing project?
[05:39] <josephpiche> poolie: I believe you can only change the driver if you are the project maintainer
[05:40] <poolie> i am the project maintainer :)
[05:40] <poolie> the confusing thing is that the other people have edit icons next to them on the project profile, but not the driver
[05:40] <poolie> but i found it
[05:40] <josephpiche> then go to the +edit-people page of the project
[05:48] <poolie> yep
[05:48] <poolie> thanks
[09:28] <sluimers> Hi, I have PPA issue, the program named ika I'm trying to build depends on corona which I succesfully build in PPA, but it cannot find corona
[09:28] <sluimers> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30830132/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.ika_0.62~3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:29] <bigjools> sluimers: I can take a look
[09:31] <bigjools> sluimers: you have not specified the corona package in your build-depends
[09:32] <bigjools> so it's not being installed in the build chroot
[09:32] <wgrant> corona is also packaged in a way that is certainly in enormous breach of policy, and might not work.
[09:33] <bigjools> policy? PPA? :)
[09:33] <wgrant> sluimers: I see you've specified the corona *PPA* in your PPA's build dependencies. But you need to specify the corona *package* as a build-dependency in your package's debian/control file.
[09:33] <wgrant> bigjools: Policy exists for a reason.
[09:33] <bigjools> wgrant: PPA is the wild west of packaging
[09:34] <wgrant> bigjools: But we should still try to police the wild west.
[09:34] <wgrant> Or users will suffer.
[09:34] <bigjools> I disagree with the word "police"
[09:34] <wgrant> Guide, perhaps.
[09:34] <bigjools> it implies some Stasi style
[09:34] <sluimers> Thanks bigjools and wgrant,  I made an error trying to get that in
[09:35] <sluimers> automatically
[09:35] <bigjools> sluimers: you're welcome
[09:42] <alonswartz> Hey guys, I have just created a firefox extension and am contemplating whether to use launchpad for translations. From what I understand, LP only supports gettext (po, pot). I know there are translate-tools (moz2po & po2moz) which would be useful. Has anyone done this before? Is it recommended?
[09:59] <thumper> danilos, jtv, henninge: perhaps one of you could answer alonswartz?
[10:00] <jtv> thumper, alonswartz: sorry for the delay.
[10:01] <jtv> alonswartz: we support XPI import but not export; you could ask asac on #ubuntu-mozillateam how he does this for firefox & xulrunner.
[10:01] <alonswartz> thumper: thanks for the "dump", jtv: no problem
[10:02] <alonswartz> jtv: i'll talk to asax, thanks.
[10:02] <jtv> alonswartz: asac, not asax :)
[10:02] <alonswartz> jtv: typo - thanks
[10:03] <jtv> alonswartz: what I can tell you right now is we have a customized gettext format for this that you can export native-XPI translations to from Launchpad, and he converts those back to XPI on his end.  It's not perfect.
[10:04] <alonswartz> jtv: I've been experimenting with the translate-tools and they seem to work. I'm considering writting  a couple of wrapper scripts to convert dtd to po, upload to LP, and do the opposite when downloading... not sure how that will work, but it seems a little clunky
[10:06] <jtv> alonswartz: yes.  Have you considered importing from bzr?  It's a bit of a pain with the roundtrip of course; you don't want to override any changes.
[10:06] <jtv> And export to bzr as well.  It'll save you a load of manual labour.
[10:07] <alonswartz> i actually use git, which LP added support (haven't tested it yet though)
[10:07] <thumper> the git imports sync up pretty well
[10:09] <alonswartz> thumper: i'll have to give it go...
[10:10] <alonswartz> thumper: are branches supported ?
[10:10] <alonswartz> thumper: nm, i'll read the docs, no point in asking stupid questions
[10:11] <thumper> alonswartz: only the master is imported right now
[10:13] <alonswartz> thanks for the help guys!
[10:14] <thumper> np
[10:38] <lfaraone> If there's a project, say https://edge.launchpad.net/rainbow , that has no activity for 2+ years, can I ursurp its name with a question against LP itself?
[10:47] <lfaraone> and can a package under the three-clause BSD license be hosted on launchpad? (from what I can tell the "simplified bsd" is a two-clause license omitting the final "no endorsement" clause, and the three-clause isn't listed as a supported LP license)
[10:48] <wgrant> lfaraone: There was discussion months ago about that confusion.
[10:48] <wgrant> I believe it covers the 2- and 3-clause versions.
[10:50] <wgrant> Hm. That's interesting.
[10:50] <wgrant> The link does say that the 2-clause variant is named Simplified.
[10:52] <Fauli> Hi
[10:53] <Fauli> Anybody responsible for the translations part available?
[10:53] <bigjools> danilos: ^
[10:54] <bigjools> or henninge
[11:01] <Fauli> bigjools: Thanks
[11:02] <bigjools> or jtv
[11:04] <Fauli> danilos, henninge_, jtv: Translating package descriptions for Gentoo would be a great way to get our users to collaborate.  Yesterday I just translated some strings for programs I use and was just flattened how nice the interface is.  Anyway, our package descriptions are inside a file called metadata.xml for every package/category, surrounded by the tag <description>, which is a language property (lang="de" for example).  Is there a way to import t
[11:05] <wgrant> Fauli: You were cut off after 'Is there a way to import t'
[11:05] <Fauli> danilos, henninge_, jtv: Is there a way to import the data into Launchpad Translations?
[11:08] <sluimers> Hello, I've got another PPA compiling problem -> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_gtk2_gl-2.8
[11:08] <sluimers> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30847804/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.ika_0.62~7_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:08] <sluimers> I put libwxgtk2.8-dev in the build-depedencies
[11:08] <bigjools> sluimers: it will be because you're missing build-depends
[11:08] <bigjools> the right build depends
[11:08] <sluimers> Which one am I missing then?
[11:08] <bigjools> you have to work that out
[11:09] <bigjools> but you're asking in the wrong channel really
[11:09] <sluimers> What would be the right channel then?
[11:09] <wgrant> As I suggested a couple of days back, #ubuntu-motu is a much much better place for this sort of question.
[11:09] <sluimers> okay
[11:10] <sluimers> thanks guys
[11:10] <wgrant> You also want to look at pbuilder, which will let you verify that you've got everything, without uploading to your PPA.
[11:10] <sluimers> okay
[11:27] <Fauli> henninge: Now available?
[11:31] <jtv> Fauli: you'd have to convert to gettext.
[11:32] <Fauli> jtv: Any experiences or suggestions on tools?
[11:33] <jtv> Fauli: no, sorry... only a note: LP assumes that the original strings are in English, not e.g. a symbolic identifier.
[11:33] <lfaraone> Hey, cam someone approve https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/rainbow-olpc/mstone-trunk ?
[11:34] <lfaraone> wgrant: so you see my confusion. Shouldn't both licenses be listed in the chooser?
[11:34] <jtv> Fauli: So if this is a format that uses keys to identify messages, and then includes a translation to English, you'll have to make sure that the conversion turns the English string into the msgid.  (And the key can become a msgctxt so it's not lost).
[11:35] <danilos> Fauli: you can use intltool or xml2po to do the conversion (both should be available on any reasonably GNOME-equipped system :)
[11:35] <wgrant> lfaraone: Possibly.
[11:36] <danilos> Fauli: for intltool, you might need to change the markup slightly, but might be more suited for the job
[11:36] <wgrant> lfaraone: The relevant people won't be around for a couple of hours.
[11:36] <lfaraone> wgrant: understood.
[11:40] <Fauli> danilos, jtv: Thanks, maybe I can create a workflow.
[11:42] <danilos> Fauli: look at different gnome packages using intltool-extract for this, like GOK and similar
[12:04] <bronger> I get perpetual build failures in my PPA because the documentation of the package is made with DocBook, and the sources try to get the stylesheets directly from the DocBook homepage.  Are the virtual machines on Launchpad not allowed to download via HTTP?
[12:05] <jtv> bronger: they're fairly locked-down, so probably.
[12:05] <wgrant> bronger: They have no Internet access.
[12:05] <jtv> Have to be, for security.
[12:05] <bronger> Okay, thank you!
[14:17] <lfaraone> Would it be a reasonable feature to add "voting" to features and specs, a la ideastorm?
[14:45] <bakkdoor> hi. i'm getting an error, when logging in @ http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/ -> "MOD_PYTHON ERROR [...]"  --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/259838/
[14:47] <maxb> bakkdoor: REVU is not a Launchpad system, #ubuntu-motu is more likely to have the people you need for that
[14:49] <RainCT> maxb: I've sent him here. The problem is that Launchpad isn't including the "nickname" in the OpenID answer
[14:49] <maxb> that's a bit special :-/
[14:49] <bakkdoor> maxb: I was asking there, but they redirected me to here. i was logging in via openid from launchpad
[14:50] <bakkdoor> maxb: thats where the error occured
[15:11] <lfaraone> Is it planned to add commenting to specs to replace whiteboards, as that'd make it easier for us to get feedback on our features.
[15:11] <lfaraone> *?
[15:22] <bakkdoor> does anyone have an idea, what is causing the login error?
[15:26] <intellectronica> lfaraone: yes indeed. you have andrea-bs to thank for that :)
[15:26] <lfaraone> intellectronica: ?
[15:26] <lfaraone> intellectronica:  aha. is there a blueprint on that? :P
[15:27] <intellectronica> lfaraone: no, but i think there's a bug somewhere
[15:27] <lfaraone> found it.
[15:27] <intellectronica> lfaraone: if you want, you can maybe help andrea-bs with the work. i'm happy to sponsor a branch or two ;)
[15:28] <lfaraone> intellectronica: heh, thanks. I'm completely new to zope, but am familiar with Django and other web frameworks.
[15:28] <beuno> mpt, your last change to bug 386647 made me laugh
[15:29] <mpt> beuno, my high-school science classes got the better of me :-)
[15:29] <intellectronica> lfaraone: you don't really need to know zope in its entirety to be able to do this stuff. if you know django and other python web frameworks, and with a bit of help from me or other developers on #launchpad-dev, you should be able to get stuff going fairly quickly
[15:29] <bigjools> did they teach you pedantry as well? :)
[15:30] <intellectronica> in fact, i doubt that there are many people (other than, perhaps, gary_poster) who really know zope in its entirety
[15:31] <lfaraone> intellectronica: hehe. well, right now I'm on vacation. But once school starts up for me on September 8th, I'll probably have more of a chance to work on it.
[15:31] <mpt> beuno, actually Empathy has a similar problem -- it has a checkbox for "Reduce location accuracy", which is not really what you want, you really want to reduce the precision.
[15:31]  * lfaraone *should* learn zope anyway.
[15:31] <intellectronica> lfaraone: cool. give us a shout if and when
[15:31] <intellectronica> yeah, it's a religious experience. everyone should learn a bit of zope
[15:31] <lfaraone> mpt: that's a critical bug impacting empathy's comprehensibility.
[15:35] <mpt> lfaraone, yes, so critical I haven't bothered to report it yet
[15:35] <bakkdoor> alright, login worked now.
[15:49] <lfaraone> hey, do we still need admin approval for superprojects?
[15:52] <lfaraone> ... and can superprojects themselves have superprojects?
[15:56] <intellectronica> lfaraone: yes and no
[15:57] <lfaraone> Hm. Is *this* planned, or reasonable even?
[15:58] <bac> lfaraone: which question are you asking about?
[16:01] <lfaraone> bac: being able to have a superproject of a superproject.
[16:02] <lfaraone> bac: example: Sugar contains Sucrose and Fructose. Sucrose contains "sugar-base", "hulahop", etc. Fructose contains "sugar-web-activity", and all the other "sugar-*-activity"s.
[16:06] <kiko> lfaraone, it's reasonable and something we want, but not planned in terms of concrete timing
[16:06] <lfaraone> kiko: okay.
[16:57] <lfaraone> Hey, my git import failed with a traceback. Is this a bug? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30852208/rainbow-olpc-mstone-trunk-log.txt
[17:32] <bdmurray> Is there a reason Feisty source packages are Obsolete but Gutsy's are Published?
[17:32] <cody-somerville> feisty is no longer in the archive I think
[17:33] <bdmurray> Right I'd think gutsy wouldn't be either
[17:48] <fta> too bad i can't use a ppa as a try-server. would be nice to bisect a regression
[17:58] <bigjools> bdmurray: nobody removed it yet, that's all, it's a manual thing
[18:00] <bdmurray> bigjools: that seems to make the published status less useful for filtering
[18:01] <bigjools> bdmurray: you need to use the distroseries status for that, the published status isn't meant for that
[18:12] <mrevell> See you tomorrow guys.
[19:10] <kamalnandan> Is it possible to de-register my Open PGP fingerprint from Ubuntu and Launchpad..?
[19:13] <cprov> kamalnandan: your gpg key is only registered in Launchpad, I don't know exactly what you mean about the 'Ubuntu' aspect.
[19:13] <cprov> kamalnandan: and, sure, you can deactivate it in LP.
[19:14] <kamalnandan> cprov: thanks for reply..
[19:14] <cprov> kamalnandan: https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editpgpkeys
[19:15] <kamalnandan> but i registered/published my keys using this command..
[19:15] <kamalnandan> gpg --send-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 12345678
[19:15] <kamalnandan> so, i want to unpublish that as well..
[19:15] <MTeck> kamalnandan: you can't
[19:16] <MTeck> if it's removed from ubuntu servers it will be brought back from other servers during a sync
[19:16] <kamalnandan> infact..i want to publish new keys..because the keys that i had generated on my machine is not available on my machine anymore..
[19:17] <MTeck> Then just forget about the old key and make a new one
[19:17] <kamalnandan> Mteck: so in that case, i will have to use new email id..isnt it..?
[19:18] <cprov> kamalnandan: in this case you can't even revoke it. No worries, deactivate them in LP, make a new one and register it in LP.
[19:19] <kamalnandan> cprov: but then I will have to use another email id..isnt it?
[19:19] <martin1980> i'm not sure I'm in the right place but it's a lots of "Time Out" errors on Launchpad. Tried to submit bug reports.
[19:19] <MTeck> kamalnandan: nope - just a new key for the same email
[19:20] <cprov> kamalnandan: I don't think it's mandatory, you *can* use the same email
[19:20] <kamalnandan> ok..so will i be able to publish that with keyserver.ubuntu.com?
[19:20] <cprov> some people might be confused by seeing 2 valid keys for the same UID, but there is nothing you can do about it if you've lost the old key.
[19:21] <cprov> kamalnandan: yes, same procedure you used before.
[19:22] <MTeck> cprov: I do with there was an easy way to get rid of them :(
[19:22] <kamalnandan> cprov: ok..let me try doing that once again..but BTW..why would my keys have vanished from my machine on its own..?
[19:22] <MTeck> curse gpg server syncronization
[19:24] <cprov> MTeck: it's a complex problem, I have no idea what we (people using gpg) should do regarding lost keys.
[19:25] <kamalnandan> and is there a command to generate the keys (apart from going via the GUI Applications->Accessories->PAssword and Encryption keys)?
[19:26] <kamalnandan> cprov, Mteck: any clue about my other questions..?...:-)
[19:31] <MTeck> cprov: I talked to an jpds about it once and he basically said that he could remove it from canonical servers but it would come back from sync with other servers. I think there should be an option to mark gpg keys to be removed from trusted servers....
[19:32] <MTeck> kamalnandan: what was the other one?
[19:32] <LarstiQ> MTeck: that is not how the keyserver infrastructure works
[19:33] <LarstiQ> MTeck: anyone can reupload your key. Who do you trust to state that a certain key may not be synced/uploaded anymore?
[19:33] <cprov> MTeck: I don't think removing keys is a good thing to do, they could somehow be marked as 'lost'
[19:33] <MTeck> that idea sounds pretty good too
[19:34] <LarstiQ> cprov: same trust problem, unless you have a revocation certificate
[19:34] <kamalnandan> the other question: I created the keys on my machine and then upoaded on Ubuntu keyserver and then registered the fingerprint with launchpad. But I dont see those keys on my machine anymore when i started the machine the next day....why would my keys have vanished from my machine on its own..?
[19:34] <cprov> LarstiQ: yes, I realize
[19:36] <LarstiQ> MTeck: so, generating a revocation certificate upfront (which is wise anyway) would be the way to go about this imo
[19:36] <LarstiQ> MTeck: the need/advise to do so may need to be stressed more
[19:37] <MTeck> LarstiQ: and the need for it to be separated from the system
[19:37] <LarstiQ> MTeck: what do you mean?
[19:38] <kamalnandan> I agree..there is a need to separate the keys from a particular system...who knows better than me about this problem..:-)
[19:39] <LarstiQ> you mean your computer where you store the private key? yes, certainly
[19:39]  * LarstiQ considers it part of the procedure to print several copies and keep them somewhere safe
[19:39] <MTeck> in case of data loss, you lose the revocation cert. I had one made for each of a few keys (before I knew one key could cover them all). Lost the keys and the certs
[19:39] <LarstiQ> but then again, I might be less of a casual user
[19:40] <LarstiQ> MTeck: I see
[19:41] <kamalnandan> BTW...why does it take so much time to generate the pgp keys???
[19:41] <kamalnandan> i am just curious to know abt it..
[19:42] <LarstiQ> kamalnandan: gathering entropy usually
[19:44] <kamalnandan> LarstiQ: whats that?
[19:47] <ramvi> I'm getting "bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~studentersamfundet-web/studentersamfundet-web/bookingskjema/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()" on my mac. What can I do?
[19:47] <ramvi> I've created rsa key and uploaded it and run bzr launchpad-login ramvi
[19:47] <LarstiQ> kamalnandan: the public/private key infrastructure relies on you having a secret, we don't want everyone to have the same secret
[19:47] <LarstiQ> kamalnandan: so one is chosen random out of a very large space
[19:48] <LarstiQ> (or well, there are multiple factors involved, but)
[19:48] <LarstiQ> ramvi: have you told bzr about your launcpad login?
[19:48] <ramvi> LarstiQ: I've run bzr launchpad-login ramvi
[19:49] <LarstiQ> ramvi: oh doh, you did mention that, sorry
[19:49] <LarstiQ> ramvi: ok, how did you acquire that branch? It is pointing at http:// which is not writeable
[19:49] <kamalnandan> LarstiQ: ok..thanks for responding to my query..
[19:49] <LarstiQ> ramvi: you want bzr+ssh://, which is expanded to from lp: after you have set the login
[19:50] <ramvi> LarstiQ: bzr checkout lp:~studentersamfundet-web/studentersamfundet-web/bookingskjema
[19:50] <LarstiQ> kamalnandan: not clear enough?
[19:50] <LarstiQ> ramvi: are you part of that team?
[19:50] <ramvi> yes
[19:51] <LarstiQ> ramvi: try bzr unbind; bzr bind lp::~studentersamfundet-web/studentersamfundet-web/bookingskjema ?
[19:51] <ramvi> I'm trying to do a new checkout, after I've put in the launchpad login
[19:51] <MTeck> LarstiQ: it could pull from /dev/mustbetruelyrandom instead? :P
[19:52] <LarstiQ> ramvi: that should work too
[19:52] <LarstiQ> MTeck: it needs a lot of entropy still though
[19:52] <LarstiQ> MTeck: but yeah, if you could guarantee a truely random source, that is nice
[19:53] <MTeck> LarstiQ: I'm pretty random.....<PHONE_NUMBER>111111111111111111111111111111111111111111110
[19:53] <MTeck> offtopic - I'll be quiet
[19:53] <ramvi> LarstiQ: that worked. thanks for your time!
[19:54] <notlistening> Hi I started well at least registed a project about a year ago and wanted to make somes changes, well relaly delete and restart as i have been hostin on google code and just want to mirror on launchpad but i am unsure how to even start administering the project let alone deleting it could someone point me in the right directions please
[19:56] <kamalnandan> LarstiQ..thanks a lot..i am logging off now..i need to getup early in the morning..
[19:56] <kamalnandan> good night..
[20:02] <lfaraone> gmb, hey, I'm experiencing bug 412032 on Ubuntu 9.04 with Firefox 3.5 as well. Screenshot:http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7344/screenshot1diw.png
[20:02] <lfaraone> Can somebody else confirm that for me?
[20:02] <lfaraone> (that it's happening on Ubuntu 3.5)
[20:05] <lfaraone> notlistening: do you have access to your LP account?
[20:05] <lfaraone> notlistening: if so, file a question agaisnt LP asking for the project to be deleted. http://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad )
[20:07] <notlistening> thanks i will do that now lfaraone
[20:10] <thekorn> leonardr, hi, what is the status/what are the plans for this trusted-client branch for launchpadlib?
[20:10] <leonardr> thekorn: it's become a low priority for me, because i am now working on simplifying lazr.restful so other people can use it
[20:13] <thekorn> leonardr, ok, so we cannot expect anything like this in the near future; no problem, I will go on with a more hackish solution ;)
[20:13] <leonardr> all right
[20:49] <MTeck> What's up with the messed up tabs menu?
[20:49] <MTeck> Or is everything moving to the new layout?
[20:53] <intellectronica> MTeck: everything is moving gradually to the new layout, so edge is a bit mixed at the moment. it will all be completed quite soon, though
[20:53] <intellectronica> MTeck: if you can and feel like, you are of course very welcome to jump in and help. converting pages to the new layout is quite easy and usually lots of fun. anyone on #launchpad-dev will be happy to help you get started
[20:54] <MTeck> I'd be happy to if I had time
[20:54] <MTeck> I need to learn CVS this week - that should take up all my time
[20:54] <intellectronica> MTeck: ouch! :)
[20:55] <intellectronica> at least it will help you appreciate how awesome bazaar is ;)
[20:55] <MTeck> CVS = SlittingWrists
[20:55] <MTeck> ya
[20:55] <intellectronica> lol
[20:57] <MTeck> When I get Ubuntu-Drupal finished up and some other big things rolling, I'll be trying to work on LP
[20:57] <MTeck> I'm excited for that time to be available
[21:23] <lfaraone> intellectronica: Hey, my git import failed with a traceback. Is this a bug? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30852208/rainbow-olpc-mstone-trunk-log.txt
[21:28] <intellectronica> lfaraone: could be, but i don't know for sure
[21:28] <lfaraone> intellectronica: okay. it imports fine in git.
[21:28] <intellectronica> thumper: in da house?
[21:29] <thumper> intellectronica: kinda
[21:29] <thumper> intellectronica: although I've not really started yet
[21:29] <thumper> lfaraone: url of the branch?
[21:30] <lfaraone> thumper: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/rainbow-olpc/mstone-trunk
[21:31] <thumper> lfaraone: hmm, not sure
[21:32] <thumper> lfaraone: the main person that understands the guts of this is jelmer on #bzr, but I think he is not around until the end of the week
[21:33] <lfaraone> thumper: okay. should I file a bug, leave it as "new", and subscribe him?
[21:34] <thumper> lfaraone: a bug on bzr-git
[21:34] <thumper> lfaraone: he is the maintainer, so he'll get the bug report
[21:40] <lfaraone> thumper: done, thanks.\
[21:40] <thumper> lfaraone: np
[21:43] <lfaraone> intellectronica, thumper, uh, I'm getting an odd bug in launchpad when I reported that LP bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/419478
[21:44] <intellectronica> lfaraone: what is it?
[21:44] <lfaraone> intellectronica, thumper, even though I reported the bug 5 minutes ago, there's a "  class= changed 4 hours ago:" listed.
[21:44] <lfaraone> intellectronica: "class=" links to https://bugs.launchpad.net/~https://bugs.launchpad.netlfaraone
[21:45] <intellectronica> lfaraone: what? that doesn't make much sense to me
[21:45] <thumper> lfaraone: where?
[21:45] <lfaraone> thumper: on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/419478
[21:45] <thumper> lfaraone: where on the page?  I don't see it
[21:46] <lfaraone> thumper: disable edge and go to normal launchpad.
[21:46] <thumper> ah
[21:47] <lfaraone> screenshot: http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7329/screenshot2c.png
[21:48] <thumper> lfaraone: I don't see that on non-edge either
[21:48] <thumper> lfaraone: try refreshing and see if it goes away for you?
[21:48] <thumper> lfaraone: good screen capture though
[21:49] <lfaraone> thumper: heh, it's a launchpad greasemonkey script. at least I have *some* bug to report :)
[21:50] <thumper> ok
[22:11] <rowinggolfer> I've started a wee project to help get a python app to a deb.
[22:11] <rowinggolfer> https://launchpad.net/pyapptemplate
[22:11] <rowinggolfer> here's a screencast of where i am at with it...
[22:11] <rowinggolfer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jklX-IlXL9Y
[22:31] <lamalex> bzr launchpad translations import from a pot file in bzr?
[22:32] <lamalex> that first bzr should be 'can'
[22:56] <mkanat> Oy, I can't mirror a bzr:// branch? :-)
[22:56] <mkanat> Seems like it'd be more efficient to allow it....
[22:59] <poolie> mkanat: mm why not?
[23:00] <poolie> mirror it to launchpad?
[23:00] <mkanat> poolie: I can't set it as a Remote Branch.
[23:00] <mkanat> poolie: It says there are only certain URL schemes allowed, and bzr: isn't one of them.
[23:00] <poolie> file a bug please? i'm surprised
[23:01] <mkanat> poolie: Okay.
[23:04] <mkanat> poolie: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/419524


[08:29] <yokowka> всем приветъ! задам вопросъ такъ everything good! what is next version of ubuntu affter zesty zappus? and when it will appears?
[18:33] <Snowdrift> !help
[18:33] <Snowdrift> !help help
[18:34] <Snowdrift> !help df