[01:31] <BasicOSX> How long is the delay between PQM play to showing up on code.launchpad.net/~bzr/ ?
[01:42] <lifeless> that will depend on the mirror frequency
[01:43] <lifeless> the place pqm pushes is http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.(dev|1.14)
[01:43] <lifeless> and that should be immediate
[03:35] <BasicOSX> lifeless:  PQM success at 6:23pm CDT merge lp:~tanner/bzr/bzr.1.14.1 http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.1.14, but https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/bzr.1.14 still doesn't show the commit
[03:54] <Peng_> BasicOSX: It was last mirrored 5 hours ago. Is 6:23pm CDT less than 5 hours ago?
[03:55] <Peng_> BasicOSX: It'll be mirrored again in a few minutes.
[03:56] <BasicOSX> Peng:  it's 9:56pm now
[03:57] <BasicOSX> Just getting priv email about 1.14.1 and asking where it is, from what I can tell it's in there, just LP doesn't show it yet via log
[04:24] <Peng_> BasicOSX: Well anyway it's been mirrored now. You should tell people to use the upstream branch if they want it to be up-to-the-minute.
[04:25] <BasicOSX> still logs don't show the merge
[04:25] <BasicOSX> heh
[04:26] <BasicOSX> nm, helps if I refresh web page
[06:32] <bob2> nice, bzr conflicts scans for conflict markers automagically
[06:46] <fullermd> Y'know...   I'm sure S. Turnbull is a smart guy, and I'm willing to believe he's trying to add to a discussion rather than just troll, but sometimes...
[06:47] <fullermd> Half his mails, I can't tell what he's trying to say, and the half I can figure out always seem to be talking about something totally unrelated to the thread it's posted on.
[06:47] <davidstrauss> fullermd: totally agreed
[06:48] <davidstrauss> fullermd: and it doesn't seem like he's putting a completely genuine effort into being knowledgeable on what he discusses
[13:36] <vadi2> Hi. I upgraded my bzr from the ubuntu ppa, and all of the g* commands broke - it says gtk+ wants an api version of 1, 13, 0 while only 1, 14, 0 is available. But there are no upgrades available.
[13:36] <vadi2> Is there a package available somewhere else?
[13:39] <jonnydee1> vadi2: AFAIK this has been fixed in the already released bzr 1.14.1 version
[13:40] <jonnydee1> but that release isn't available through the ppa repository yet. I guess, you have to wait a few days....
[13:41] <vadi2> Alright.
[14:47] <alf_> Hello, I am planning to start a new project using bzr and I was wondering what format is the best to use (for my case). As it won't be made public yet I was thinking of using 1.14-rich-root. Is 1.14-rich-root the format that will be used in bzr 2.0?
[14:49] <Peng_> alf_: No, something better will be. (Probably --development6-rich-root (which is still experimental, so you shouldn't use it), or it might be modified further.)
[14:49] <Peng_> alf_: Using 1.14-rich-root sounds okay to me. Although if it's a public project, I'd make the public branches use an older format to be friendly to people with old clients.
[14:53] <alf_> Peng_: It will be made public at some point in the future, hopefully around the time bzr 2.0 comes out. At this time, I am more interested in forwards compatibility (being able to easily upgrade) so that when bzr 2.0 comes will be able to use the new format without problems.
[14:54] <alf_> Note, that I don't plan to use svn so I am only going for rich-root because I guess the default will be rich-root in the future (or rather the only option).
[14:54] <LarstiQ> alf_: for forwards compatibility 1.14-rich-root should be an ok choice (but so should almost all formats)
[14:54] <LarstiQ> alf_: agreed.
[14:56] <alf_> Another question: does launchpad currently support 1.14 formats?
[14:57] <LarstiQ> alf_: 1.14 differs from 1.9 only in the workingtree afaik. And lp supports 1.9 repository/branch format.
[14:58] <maxb> From the descriptions of the formats in "bzr help current-formats", it sounds like rich-root-pack would be equally as forward-compatible as 1.14-rich-root - is this not the case?
[14:58] <LarstiQ> alf_: having said that 1.14 is really new. Unless you have reasons to use what it provides I would personally go for something that allows older clients to operate.
[14:59] <LarstiQ> maxb: that is indeed the case.
[14:59] <alf_> LarstiQ: eg 1.9?
[14:59] <LarstiQ> alf_: that, or rich-root-pack for what I'd consider the lower limit.
[15:03] <jonnydee1> Hi LarstiQ: Would it be possible for you to confirm bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/370551 and also classify it to some other 'Importance' state as 'Unknown'?
[15:03] <jonnydee1> I think, because 'bzr mv --auto' is officially a new feature in bzr 1.14, this bug should be resolved in neear future. Otherwise, I think, 'bzr mv --auto' is unusable...
[15:09] <LarstiQ> jonnydee1: done
[15:09]  * LarstiQ goes grocery shopping
[15:09] <jonnydee1> You're great!!! Thanks a lot :D
[15:09] <LarstiQ> jonnydee1: still need to fix the bug though :)
[15:10] <jonnydee1> yes, of course, but now tihs bug will not be "forgotten" :)
[15:10] <Peng_> Never say never! :D
[15:11] <LarstiQ> jonnydee1: it helps that you care about it
[15:12] <jonnydee1> LarstiQ: cool :)
[15:12] <jonnydee1> Peng_: Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never, Never... ;)
[15:51] <ronny> anyone aware of bzr has a way to plug in "smarter" merge algorithms
[15:51] <ronny> like take partial/subdir merges into account
[16:58] <LarstiQ> spiv: if you could advise me on #250451 I'd appreciate it.
[17:49] <xnox> Can I import pristine-tars into existing packaging branch? I want to get rid of my tarballs/ directory.
[17:53] <james_w> xnox: not currently
[18:27] <MattCampbell> Is there a written overview of Bazaar's current repository format, something like chapter 3 of Bryan O'Sullivan's Mercurial book?  I'd like to have some understanding of how files, revisions, and branches are represented.
[20:29] <MattCampbell> Does Bazaar work with Python 2.6 yet?
[20:29]  * AmanicA trying to figure out how the config is being reset when running blackbox tests, because I need to do that for rules based config too
[20:30] <AmanicA> MattCambel: AFAIK it does, the tests pass
[20:30] <AmanicA> and since I'm on jaunty it seems that I'm using python 2.6
[20:31] <AmanicA> so it looks like its working
[20:32] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: afaik it has had patches to work on 2.7 even. Is there a specific reason you think it might not work on 2.6?
[20:44] <MattCampbell> When I try to build bzr on Windows with Python 2.6 and Pyrex 0.9.3, I get a TypeError about the arguments to swig_sources
[20:45] <MattCampbell> bzr 0.14.1
[20:45] <LarstiQ> 1.14.1 I presume.
[20:45] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: did you see John's post about building on windows?
[20:46] <MattCampbell> No
[20:49] <TheDJACR> When using bzr distributed, as a team, which is the better choice in section 6.2.5 of the User Guide?
[20:50] <LarstiQ> MattCampbell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2009q2/057797.html
[20:50] <LarstiQ> TheDJACR: could you give me a link? I haven't got the User Guide memorized :)
[20:51] <TheDJACR> LarstiQ: Heh, sure :p. I was reading a paper copy
[20:51] <TheDJACR> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/index.html#organizing-branches
[20:53] <TheDJACR> Also, are there any Bazaar web portal/project management tools?
[20:53] <LarstiQ> TheDJACR: it's a bit a matter of taste. If you are dilligently working in feature branches and only commit in trunk to merge them, I'd go with the checkout.
[20:54] <LarstiQ> TheDJACR: you mean like trac? Redmine works with Bazaar.
[20:54] <TheDJACR> Cool, thanks LarstiQ
[20:55] <LarstiQ> (and there is support for trac, but the trac model doesn't mesh well with dvcs, there are users of trac bzr, YMMV)
[20:57] <TheDJACR> LarstiQ: So I would checkout the trunk, and branch a feature/bugfix. I would update the trunk, merge with the feature and commit the trunk?
[20:59] <LarstiQ> TheDJACR: merge the feature into trunk, yes
[20:59] <TheDJACR> Sounds cool.
[21:00] <TheDJACR> LarstiQ: How would you compare bzr to hg and git?
[21:00] <LarstiQ> TheDJACR: I can't fairly do that having near zero recent experience with hg and git.
[21:01] <LarstiQ> I know some things about them, but my knowledge might no longer be up to date.
[21:01] <TheDJACR> Ok, thanks anyway.
[21:01] <LarstiQ> TheDJACR: if you have a more specific question, I might be able to answer it.
[21:02] <TheDJACR> Okay :)
[21:02] <LarstiQ> TheDJACR: as an example, afaik, git still does (and probably always will) apply a heuristic to detect renames instead of tracking them explicitly.
[21:03] <LarstiQ> wether that is an issue or not differs for people.
[21:05] <LarstiQ> TheDJACR: another thing is of course that bzr and hg are mostly written in python. Git used to be shell, c, perl, and more, not sure where it's at now.
[21:14] <cdecarlo> hi, I want to set up a bzr repository to work with the decentralized workflow, but the docs have me guessing if I create the repos as shown in the solo workflow or the centralized workflow, what should I do?
[21:15] <LarstiQ> cdecarlo: I'd assume the setup is (nearly) the same. Could you point me at the specific (parts of) documentation that is unclear?
[21:17] <cdecarlo> LarstiQ, I think what's got me confused is the terminology, here's an example http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/index.html#id60
[21:18] <gotgenes> Is there a way to pop off a series of revisions similar to `git reset --hard REVNO`?
[21:18] <LarstiQ> gotgenes: you'll have to explain what that git command does.
[21:19] <cdecarlo> LarstiQ, the bzr branch sftp://central... , so I'm understanding that centralhost/srv/bzr/PROJECT/trunk is where all the code is, right?
[21:19] <LarstiQ> gotgenes: it could be revert, uncommit or pull depending on what reset --hard means.
[21:19] <gotgenes> LarstiQ: You're at revision 14. You want to go back to revision 11, and you want to remove all commit information from 12, 13 and 14. In this case, you do `git reset --hard 11`
[21:19] <gotgenes> now you have commit info for revisions 1 through 11
[21:19] <gotgenes> and 12-14 no longer "exist"
[21:20] <LarstiQ> gotgenes: `bzr pull -r 11 --overwrite` I'd say.
[21:20] <cdecarlo> LarstiQ, so on the server, do I first create the project and all it's code in /srv/bzr/PROJECT/trunk?
[21:21] <LarstiQ> cdecarlo: I would start locally, and then push to the server.
[21:21] <LarstiQ> cdecarlo: the repository layout on the server would be the same as locally, although without working trees, and having the complete set of interesting branches.
[21:22] <LarstiQ> gotgenes: `bzr revert -r 11` would be for just making the working tree state be that of revision 11.
[21:22] <cdecarlo> LarstiQ, ah, so /srv/bzr/PROJECT and /srv/bzr/PROJECT/trunk wouldn't need to exist first on the server
[21:22]  * LarstiQ slaps self
[21:22] <cdecarlo> ?
[21:22] <LarstiQ> gotgenes: sorry, `bzr uncommit -r 11` is more natural.
[21:23] <gotgenes> LarstiQ: That does get the tree state to r11 but it doesn't remove the commit information
[21:23] <LarstiQ> gotgenes: correct.
[21:23] <gotgenes> LarstiQ: Ah
[21:23] <gotgenes> Yes, that's it, I think
[21:23] <LarstiQ> cdecarlo: correct.
[21:24] <cdecarlo> LarstiQ, weird, for some reason I find that unsettling
[21:24] <cdecarlo> :)
[21:24] <LarstiQ> cdecarlo: there is nothing technically special about the central server, it is on equal footing with your local branches. It is just easy for us humans to have a blessed central location.
[21:24] <LarstiQ> cdecarlo: welcome to the world of decentralisation :)


[11:14] <gerr1> juliux: ping
[11:15] <juliux> gerr1, pong
[11:18] <gerr1> i have spoken with marileze regarding the CDs
[11:18] <gerr1> can I ask why you want 5000?
[11:19] <juliux> gerr1, pong
[11:20] <juliux> because cebit is the largest it event at world?
[11:20] <juliux> cebit has 400.000 visitors every year
[11:20] <juliux> last year the ubuntu booth has visitors over the whole day, we stand there 8h a day and talked with people and gave them cds
[11:21] <gerr1> sure and we wnat to support that
[11:21] <juliux> ok
[11:21] <gerr1> but i question the value of giving a CD to everyone who visits
[11:22] <juliux> 5000cds if for cebit nothing
[11:22] <juliux> ask malcolm or christian how it was last year
[11:22] <gerr1> the feeling of our guys is that a small percentage of those who visit would actually use their cds
[11:22] <gerr1> and  that is my experience at most shows
[11:23] <gerr1> i have no problem with having a supply for those who ask for it
[11:23] <juliux> what you will say to people if they ask you if they can have a cd but you have no left?
[11:23] <gerr1> they can download it
[11:23] <juliux> everybody knows that there are free cds
[11:24] <gerr1> come on  people come and take 5 cds
[11:24] <gerr1> o one of everything
[11:24] <gerr1> why would you need 5 cds?
[11:24] <juliux> we don't give them 5cds
[11:24] <gerr1> There is a cost issue that is not insignificant
[11:24] <gerr1> it costs about 1e a CD
[11:25] <juliux> if there is a clear statment that there are no cds we will search for an other source for cds
[11:25] <gerr1> that's not what I mean
[11:25] <juliux> 1€ per cd?? we made only 800dvds in 2006 for 0,70€
[11:26] <gerr1> I mean we need to ship a sensible amount and give them out carefully
[11:26] <gerr1> ^^ that's the figure I am told
[11:26] <gerr1> rolled in with shipping and packaging
[11:26] <juliux> ok then let me know how many cds we get from canonical and then we will see if we can get more cds from an other source or we will deal witht he small amount of cds
[11:27] <gerr1> 3000 is the figure I have agreed
[11:27] <gerr1> BUT
[11:27] <juliux> ok
[11:27] <gerr1> I still think w eneed to stop equating success at shows with number of CDs we give out
[11:27] <gerr1> think of the environment for one
[11:28] <juliux> we don't but the cds on a table in the front of the booth so everybody can grap one;) we give them to people if they asked and if we talked with them
[11:28] <gerr1> the fact that people are there to talk about ubuntu, to share experiences, to get some advice to talk about what is new is far more valuable
[11:28] <gerr1> ^^yeah I know we've done that but not any more
[11:29] <gerr1> :-[
[11:29] <gerr1> but come on how many CDs have you given to people you know already use it?
[11:29] <gerr1> what can they need a CD for?
[11:30] <juliux> i know a lot of people and you also can see it at the german forum how many new people register there in the weeks after an event
[11:30] <juliux> but you are right with the cds, but that is a long term problem that should be announce not 4 weeks for an event
[11:31] <juliux> i think it would be cool to have tool that copies an ubuntu live system on a usb stick so people can start it from the ubs stick and if they don't like it they can erase ubuntu on the stick and can use the stick for something else
[11:32] <gerr1> 1. we are not stopping supplying CDs for shows
[11:33] <juliux> but the amount;)
[11:34] <gerr1> we are reducing the amount at shows and trying to get them to people who wnat them
[11:34] <gerr1> not the collectors you get at shows
[11:34] <gerr1> 3000 is still a lot
[11:35] <gerr1> i don't think we could do the USB stick as a give away
[11:35] <gerr1> is that what you mean?
[11:35] <juliux> not as a give away
[11:35] <juliux> but a service that people can come with there own usb stick and we will put them an ubuntu livesystem on it
[11:40] <gerr1> oh right
[11:40] <gerr1> sounds like a smashing idea; an Ubuntu Top Up Station
[11:40] <juliux> yeah
[11:41] <quesh> hello
[11:41] <juliux> i also think about to provide the ubuntu .isos via wlan
[11:41] <juliux> so everybody can contect to this wlan, but he only can download the iso files
[11:41] <juliux> perhaps i find time to build this things in the next weeks
[11:42] <juliux> so if somebody has his notebook he can easy download the iso files with a higher speed then at home
[11:42] <juliux> but that are only ideas atm
[11:52] <gerr1> loading it on the USB key sound doable and a very good alternative to CD giveaways if fast enough
[11:56] <juliux> but i don't want to copy the iso to the usb key
[11:56] <juliux> there is a howto on the wikipage how to copy the content of the ubuntu iso to a usb key so you can boot from this usb key
[11:57] <juliux> so you can use the usb key like the live cd


[11:38] <Ryan11> There's a broken image link on this page: http://www.canonical.com/services/certification
[11:38] <Ryan11> It links to www-admin.canonical etc
[11:41] <Ryan11> Also, the image src is a PDF file
[16:38] <cjohnston> newz2000: ping
[17:02] <cjohnston> newz2000: whenever you come around.. on https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/index.html it states that if your version of ubuntu is not listed above, it is no longer supported.. 6.06 server is still supported, but desktop is not... therefore, the link to 6.06 (imho) should be changed to link directly to the server version, and it should be noted that it is server only.
[17:03] <cjohnston> also bug 504333 I just created..
[17:04] <cjohnston> bug #504333
[17:04] <cjohnston> hmm.. what happened to the little buggy bot..
[17:19] <newz2000> hi, sorry, been in meetings all morning (and have another in 10min)
[17:22] <cjohnston> np
[17:22] <cjohnston> :-)
[17:24] <cjohnston> newz2000: something else cool: (or not cool) http://dump.chrisjohnston.org/
[17:24] <cjohnston> look at the image.. thats zoomed out in firefox
[17:24] <newz2000> oh, yeah, good catch
[17:25] <cjohnston> want me to make a bug out of it?
[17:25] <jpds> bug #463849
[17:25] <jpds> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/463849
[17:26] <cjohnston> thanks jpds
[17:28] <cjohnston> jpds: think this is related: http://dump.chrisjohnston.org/ubuntu_main_page_2.png  ?
[17:29] <jpds> cjohnston: Don't think so.
[17:30] <jpds> cjohnston: Looking at your status bar, I think you might be interested in the ASNumber extension though.
[17:31] <cjohnston> ?
[17:32] <jpds> cjohnston: http://www.asnumber.networx.ch/
[17:33] <cjohnston> cool
[17:33] <cjohnston> ill give it a try.. thanks
[17:50] <cjohnston> ahh... https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/376919 newz2000 easy fix..
[17:50] <cjohnston> mdke: thanks for your response
[17:52]  * newz2000 fixed the link to PDF mentioned by Ryan11
[19:24] <cjohnston> newz2000: you still in meetings?
[19:24] <newz2000> cjohnston: no, just munching on a banana
[19:24] <newz2000> what's up?
[19:25] <cjohnston> fridge.ubuntu.com
[19:26] <cjohnston> you could be my kids best friend with a banana
[19:26] <newz2000> :-)
[19:26] <cjohnston> do you see the background issue?
[19:26] <newz2000> fridge needs a lot of love
[19:26] <newz2000> oh, interesting
[19:26] <cjohnston> I know they were talking about WP'ing it
[19:26] <newz2000> I don't remember that being there before
[19:26] <cjohnston> I believe there is a bug already filed on it.. I just dont remember which one
[19:27] <cjohnston> its similar to the one i filed earlier..
[19:27] <newz2000> I'm guessing there used to be a

 somewhere inside #contentr
[19:28] <cjohnston> down to 66 new bugs... ;-)
[19:28] <newz2000> you're awesome
[19:28]  * cjohnston wishs he had bug control access
[19:28] <cjohnston> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/499383
[19:28] <newz2000> cjohnston: what do you mean by bug control access?
[19:28] <cjohnston> would make my life with you easier
[19:29] <newz2000> I'm not sure what this capability is, is it a permission I can grant?
[19:29] <cjohnston> give me a sec.. im lookin for the docs
[19:30] <newz2000> I can make you a member of the ubuntu-website-editors team, that may do it
[19:30] <cjohnston> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[19:31] <cjohnston> no.. i dont think that would
[19:31] <cjohnston> cause its a LP thing
[19:31] <cjohnston> set statuses and such
[19:31] <newz2000> is this you: https://edge.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston
[19:32] <cjohnston> yessir
[19:32] <newz2000> ok, see if you have the permission now?
[19:32] <cjohnston> I do
[19:32] <cjohnston> hey dhillon-v10
[19:32] <newz2000> great
[19:33] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, hey what's up :) happy new year
[19:33] <newz2000> cjohnston: I'm going to reply to your email about editing the website but my unoffical response is inline with what Matt East said...
[19:33] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, hi :D
[19:33] <newz2000> hey dhillon-v10
[19:33] <cjohnston> you don't need to reply for me..
[19:33] <newz2000> we're getting ready to overhaul Canonical.com and ubuntu.com will be affected signficantly by this
[19:34] <newz2000> some of the changes we're working on are an approval queue for website changes. This will definitely go live by Lucid release (probably Beta 1)
[19:34] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, i have the same kind of same question as cjohnston, we can fix bugs, but where can we get the sources, and do we submit the patches to you (if any)
[19:34] <newz2000> but it may take a little time to get our standards and processes in line before we can let many people in
[19:34] <cjohnston> hmm.. I guess by making me a website editor, I have more control over website bugs, but my access hasnt changed in regular bugs
[19:34] <cjohnston> cool
[19:35] <newz2000> To make matters slightly more difficult for everyone in the short term (but better in the long term) we'll be doing a freeze on the website on Monday until Beta period
[19:35] <newz2000> So we probably won't be able to close many bugs in that time period
[19:35] <cjohnston> like to me the fridge thing should atleast be set to medium.. probably high.. and that should also make your job easier because you can then sort by priority..
[19:35] <newz2000> yeah
[19:35] <cjohnston> thats quite a while
[19:35] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, alright that works too, so after the beta period we can pick up bugs and work on them
[19:35] <newz2000> yeah
[19:36] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: some time after that, yes, but it likely won't happen right away
[19:36] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, okay :) I am currently working over at the edubuntu website stuff any ways
[19:37] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: what sources do you need? I can likely get you whatever you want
[19:37] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, oh and something really important, sorry i had to to do a clean install of my system, and I lost the instructions for planet planet theme sorry, so what was I supposed to do there
[19:37] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, just for the bugs so that we can make changes, is it in a branch of core-docs
[19:38] <newz2000> it's all in a CMS
[19:38] <newz2000> There is no way easy way to dump the source nor to apply patches
[19:39] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, ahh okay, possible to give me the instructions again for the planet planer theme porting that we were talking about a while ago :)
[19:39] <cjohnston> you didnt by chance read what I said about 6.06 on help.ubuntu.com did you newz2000
[19:39] <newz2000> I don't think I"ve read that yet cjohnston
[19:39] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: give me a moment to find it
[19:40] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, sorry for bothering you :)
[19:42] <cjohnston> hmm.. newz2000 https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/106056  - mdke's question..
[19:42] <cjohnston> if not, easy fix
[19:42] <cjohnston> (if you know the answer off the top of your head)
[19:43] <newz2000> ah, that's an interesting one
[19:43] <newz2000> where'd our bug bot go?
[19:43] <newz2000> :-(
[19:43] <cjohnston> i dunno
[19:43] <cjohnston> thats what i asked earlier
[19:43] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: what's your email again?
[19:43] <cjohnston> when he didnt talk to me
[19:44] <cjohnston> newz2000: do you want me to use priorites (high/med/critical/etc?)
[19:45] <newz2000> cjohnston: yeah, that would be good…
[19:45] <cjohnston> ok.. cool
[19:46] <newz2000> Use your best guess, but roughly,
[19:46] <newz2000> if it seriously imparis users accessing the site or downloading ubuntu, critical, if it makes ubuntu look bad then high
[19:46] <cjohnston> everything critical.. it is the face of ubuntu after all
[19:46] <cjohnston> yessir!
[19:46] <newz2000> yeah, and we should all start writing in UPPER CASE. :-)
[19:46] <cjohnston> ups is here
[19:46] <cjohnston> hmm
[19:48] <cjohnston> by looks bad.. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/463849 ?
[19:49] <cjohnston> or by looks bad https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/267235 ?
[19:50] <cjohnston> (define makes ubuntu look bad, would be my question)
[19:51] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, the bug cjohnston mentioned here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/267235 is a super easy one, how do I go about fixing it
[19:51] <cjohnston> dhillon-v10: basically.. we cant.. yet
[19:51] <newz2000> cjohnston: a typo or broken graphic in a conspicuous area of the site that many people will see
[19:51] <cjohnston> I asked the same question with the same bug
[19:52] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, oh yah you are right sorry I forgot about that :P
[19:52] <cjohnston> lol
[19:52] <newz2000> that page is quite old. It really needs to be moved ot the wiki
[19:53] <newz2000> and maintaned by the team in charge of the mirrors
[19:55] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, hey until the freeze is going on, can i triage the bugs and reject others that aren't needed
[19:55] <cjohnston> dhillon-v10 is tryin to steal my job
[19:55] <cjohnston> lol
[19:55] <cjohnston> :-P
[19:56] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, oh if you want to do it, then okay :) I'll find something else then, maybe the kubuntu website bugs :P
[19:56] <newz2000> Two can't hurt. :-)
[19:56] <cjohnston> I'm just messing with him..
[19:56] <newz2000> Can one of you see if there's a team in charge of mirrors and assign the bug to them to move the docs onto the wiki and maintain it?
[19:57] <newz2000> that hasn't been touched in at least 18 months and the person who was in charge of it has been gone from canonical over a year
[19:57] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, I think we can move the bug/assign the ubuntu-docs team to this one maybe ?
[19:57] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, :)
[19:57] <newz2000> it may not be the right team, I think there was at one time a team in charge of mirrors
[19:57] <newz2000> if so, they may be the best bet
[19:58] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, yah the Ubuntu Mirror Admins is that it
[19:58] <newz2000> I'd suspect so
[19:59] <newz2000> I've asked in #ubuntu-irc to get our bug bot back
[19:59] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mirror-admins I think we may have to talk to people over at #launchpad
[19:59] <cjohnston> i want mr. buggy!
[19:59] <cjohnston> lol
[19:59] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: there may be an irc channel for them
[20:00] <newz2000> feeling like investigating?
[20:00] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, sure :)
[20:00] <cjohnston> figure out who is on the team, what their irc nicks are and start /whois'in em
[20:00] <cjohnston> hehe
[20:00] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, yup #ubuntu-mirrors
[20:01] <newz2000> ok, I've got to knuckle down and get a few things done but if you need me, ping me or leave a message and I'll catch up in about an hour
[20:01] <newz2000> by the way, I'd call the 463849 high priority
[20:01] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, alright
[20:01] <newz2000> but it's border line because it doesn't affect a lot of people (need a very wide screen to see it)
[20:06] <cjohnston> dhillon-v10: https://forms.canonical.com/landscapetrial/thanks/   - are you able to pull up that page without filling out the forum
[20:06] <cjohnston> form
[20:07] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, what form ?? I see something like this:
[20:07] <dhillon-v10> Search this site:
[20:07] <dhillon-v10> Thank you for completing our Landscape trial registration form.
[20:07] <cjohnston> right.. is the footer layout messed up
[20:08] <cjohnston> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/504333 does it look like the attachment on this bug report?
[20:09] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, precisely, I was just about to upload the screenshot to imageshack and send it to you :)
[20:09] <cjohnston> can you confirm the bug then please
[20:09] <cjohnston> ;-)
[20:10] <cjohnston> also, if you are talking to the mirrors people, may want to point them to this one: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/162865
[20:10] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, done :) I think I should apply for bug-control for some time soon
[20:11] <cjohnston> dhillon-v10: newz2000 gave me bugcontrol access for the website project only.. so i dont have it for regular bugs
[20:11] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, ahh nice :) I have triaged a *lot* of bugs so I though I might apply
[20:12] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: I'll make you a member of the team to triage, what's your launchpad id?
[20:12] <cjohnston> are you a bugsquad member?
[20:12] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, dhillon-v10, also where do i go for kubuntu website, can you do that one too
[20:13] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, not yet all the applying thing takes effort and I am lazy :P
[20:13] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: I'd speak with ryanakca on that. I don't keep in touch w/ their processes and procedures
[20:13] <newz2000> I may be able to grant it but would prefer to get the OK from them
[20:13] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, alright I'll ask nixternal then :)
[20:16] <newz2000> ok. /join #drupal-support
[20:16] <newz2000> grr
[20:17]  * cjohnston wonders whats goin on in #drupal-support
[20:17] <cjohnston> heh
[20:17]  * newz2000 is asking for drupal help
[20:18]  * cjohnston doesnt like drupal
[20:18] <cjohnston> although i probably need to learn it.
[20:20] <newz2000> there is a good book by O'Reilly called "Using Drupal" by the lullabot team
[20:21] <newz2000> if you are a membere of a LUG or someuser group that has a relationship w/ O'Reilly you can probably get them to give you a copy for free
[20:21] <cjohnston> hmm
[20:22] <cjohnston> I doubt my loco would.. and im not a member of a lug
[20:22] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, i am currently learning drupal, from this good book, do you need it, I can send a link to you
[20:22] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, your loco might :D
[20:22] <cjohnston> sure
[20:22] <cjohnston> isnt it yours too?
[20:23] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, lol yah :)
[20:24] <cjohnston> ill ask itnet
[20:24] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, just a sec.
[20:24] <newz2000> cjohnston: your loco should apply w/ Oreilly to be an offical user group. Free stuff in exchange for reviews on amazon and etc.
[20:25] <cjohnston> hmm.. newz2000 you dont by chance have a link handy for info on that do you? I'll talk to our leader about it..
[20:25] <newz2000> in gmail everything is handy... :-)
[20:25] <cjohnston> lol
[20:26] <newz2000> http://ug.oreilly.com
[20:26] <cjohnston> maybe i just need a copy of your gmail then.. lol  if everything is handy maybe it could help me pass nursing school
[20:26] <newz2000> I don't have much in there that would help with that. :-)
[20:26] <cjohnston> :-(
[20:26] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, what's your email pm me
[20:26] <cjohnston> you said everything
[20:27] <cjohnston><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:27] <cjohnston> if i spelled all that correct
[20:27] <cjohnston> hey.. i actually did
[20:27] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, off to eat lunch, expect an email some time soon :D
[20:27] <cjohnston> I guess we are members...
[20:28] <cjohnston> its 330 dhillon-v10 lunch is long over
[20:28] <cjohnston> lol
[20:28] <cjohnston> im killing myself with email from all this bug stuff
[20:28] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, nah i just got back from school so my lunch is now :)
[20:28] <cjohnston> lol
[20:28] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, I get over 1000 messages per day from the LKML and its hard to keep up
[20:29] <cjohnston> lkml?
[20:29] <dhillon-v10> cjohnston, Linux Kernel Mailing List, the largest mailing list in the world, that's where most of my work is in
[20:30] <cjohnston> im out
[20:30] <cjohnston> lol
[20:30] <cjohnston> i am actually gonna start unsubscribing from some stuff for the next year
[20:51] <cjohnston> newz2000: whenever you get time.. my loco leader doesnt know anything about getting stuff to review.. just about getting the discount price.. you dont by chance have any other info I could tell him do you?
[20:51] <newz2000> When you sign up for that program you'll get contacted. Just ask them if they have review copies.
[20:51] <newz2000> apress also has a program like this. I get tons of books to hand out.
[20:52] <newz2000> well, not tons, but in the last 6 months probably 10 − 12 books.
[20:53] <newz2000> the bot is back
[20:54] <cjohnston> bug 254973
[20:54] <ubot3> Malone bug 254973 in ubuntu-website "Text in "Get Ubuntu" tabs falls off when zoomed in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254973
[20:54] <cjohnston> YAY!!
[20:54] <cjohnston> lol
[21:02]  * cjohnston is gonna use my friend ubot3... newz2000 bug #255527 - we wouldnt provide an ubuntu studio md5sum on the hashes page, correct?
[21:02] <ubot3> Malone bug 255527 in ubuntu-website "WinMD5SUM wrong for Ubuntu Studio" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255527
[21:06] <newz2000> cjohnston: we won't put any hashes on ubuntu.com. So few people need them and they're easily findable using the site search or google.
[21:06] <newz2000> you can reject any bugs about hashes
[21:07] <cjohnston> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes  ?
[21:08] <cjohnston> expecially with the very last line
[21:18] <cjohnston> hmm.. why does http://help.ubuntu.com/community redirect to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes  - or is it just me
[21:19] <cjohnston> ok.. on another system it redirects to SwapFaq
[21:19] <cjohnston> hmmmm
[21:59] <cjohnston> newz2000: fwiw, im getting to the point with the 'new' bugs, where I don't know enough on the subjects to be able to comment on them/confirm/invalid.. do you want a tag for those, or want me to just leave them as new or..?
[21:59] <newz2000> cjohnston: I'd say leave them for new
[21:59] <cjohnston> okie..
[22:00] <newz2000> after Monday I won't have much luck in closing out bugs so I/we can hammer the new ones and get them organized
[22:00] <cjohnston> cool
[22:00] <cjohnston> whats the reason for the freeze?
[22:00] <cjohnston> that doesnt make sense?
[22:00] <newz2000> we'll be moving the content to multiple servers and updating it there so any changes made to live will need to be replcated to staging and testing
[22:00] <newz2000> tedious so will be limited
[22:00] <cjohnston> i gotcha
[22:01] <cjohnston> is the wiki gonna get a newer bigger better faster server? please? please? :-P
[22:01] <newz2000> I don't think the wiki's speed is because its not on a big enough server...
[22:01] <cjohnston> BW issues, or just moin limitations
[22:01] <newz2000> I think the problem is that when you save content it has to scan all the files in the wiki to see who subscribed to each
[22:02]  * newz2000 assumes the performance prob you refer to is the slow saving
[22:02] <cjohnston> its more than just slow saving.. but yes
[22:02] <cjohnston> slow loading too
[22:02] <cjohnston> sometimes more than others.. but ya
[22:03] <newz2000> I don't have any hope that it will improve because of what the web team is working on
[22:03] <cjohnston> gotcha


 Trick or Treaters streaming too much walking dead off your wifi? ;-)
[02:22] <Omnifrog> I'm wondering if it's not another smart light bulb attack
[02:25] <Omnifrog> my desktop (this machine) is on eth
[02:25] <Omnifrog> and there are no Trick or Treaters in this neck of the woods
[02:25] <Omnifrog> too rural
[02:26] <cyberanger> Well that explains why I've not gotten any candy....
[02:26] <cyberanger> IoT DDoS, not that I know of. I've been keeping an eye on those.
[02:27] <Omnifrog> I already tried changing my DNS
[02:27] <Omnifrog> it helped on some sites but not others
[02:29] <Omnifrog> and netflix on Amazon Fire has sucked all day
[02:30] <Omnifrog> buffering lasting 10+ seconds for the video feed
[02:30] <Omnifrog> not the audio though. weird
[02:31] <Omnifrog> this was a major problem as I am in the last part of season 3 of Star Trek : Enterprise
[02:31] <cyberanger> Well, then again I'm seeing partial info of targets from the C2 protocol, maybe the issue is upstream OR the devices are inside EPB's network (leaning towards the former, EPB could null route infected accounts)
[02:35] <Omnifrog> I'm really not a fan of EPB's set top boxes
[02:36] <Omnifrog> they skimped on those big tim e
[02:37] <Omnifrog> maybe they have better boxes now. mine is several years old
[02:40] <cyberanger> One can hope
[02:53] <Omnifrog> I'll go on record as saying fuck IoT though
[02:53] <Omnifrog> I never thought that was a good idea
[02:55] <cyberanger> The way it's been done, Same
[02:55] <Omnifrog> a huge part of the blame goes to Make and the tech blogs
[02:56] <Omnifrog> and the like
[02:56] <cyberanger> Eh, more that security doesn't sell
[02:56] <Omnifrog> they helped market this trash to the geek community
[02:57] <Omnifrog> then the novices ate it up
[02:57] <cyberanger> Alongside the firewalls people don't buy, the ISP source filters ISP's don't enable, sure.
[02:58] <Omnifrog> well, yeah
[02:58] <cyberanger> I mean, it's not just one thing.
[02:58] <Omnifrog> it takes a village to kill the internet
[02:58] <Omnifrog> lol
[02:59] <Omnifrog> but still... thinking back to all those posts about new security cam systems on tech blogs
[02:59] <cyberanger> haha
[03:00] <Omnifrog> I don't recall any of them making much of a fuss about security of the actual system
[03:00] <cyberanger> That should have been secured, disable telnet
[03:02] <Omnifrog> what percentage of the consumer population even knows what that means let alone how to do it ?
[03:02] <Omnifrog> 0?
[03:02] <Omnifrog> .001?
[03:03] <Omnifrog> probably less than that
[03:04] <Omnifrog> it's going to be a rough year for the internet
[03:05] <cyberanger> Agreed
[03:05] <Omnifrog> dog videos will marry cat macros
[03:06] <Omnifrog> people will start putting slices of bread on more kinds of aminals
[03:07] <Omnifrog> and if Trump wins Orange will be new EVERYTHING
[03:07] <Omnifrog> I need a drink
[03:08] <Omnifrog> I'm hyperventilating
[03:10] <cyberanger> lol
[03:10] <Omnifrog> also, the new Bloom County book is great
[03:15] <[Ubik]> cyberanger: The block party is calling your name again.
[03:16] <[Ubik]> And yeah, security doesn't sell, until you've been compromised.
[03:16] <[Ubik]> I can tell you half our office is probably pissed off/annoyed/whatever at the security I have in place. But, if I didn't have it in place, they'd even be more pissed off/annoyed/etc. at the results. (Which, of course, they don't know and will never realize, but...)
[03:18] <Omnifrog> people dont appreciate or even notice what you do all too often. but you can bet your bottom they will take notice if what you failed to be
[03:19] <Omnifrog> s/if/of
[03:19] <cyberanger> Unit193 lol
[03:19] <Omnifrog> also s/be/do
[03:20] <Omnifrog> wtf frog? you're drunk. stop typing
[03:20] <cyberanger> [Ubik] block party calling?
[03:21] <[Ubik]> Yeah, they want you to come back down and work a little more. :P
[03:21] <[Ubik]> Omnifrog: Exactly.
[03:21] <Omnifrog> my typing is like a translation from Asian text tonight
[03:22]  * [Ubik] is just glad he's almost done with his midday show
[03:22] <Omnifrog> show?
[03:22] <Omnifrog> are you a stipper?
[03:22] <Omnifrog> stripper*
[03:23] <Omnifrog> I blame my cognitive abilities on a 2.5 year olg girl
[03:23] <Omnifrog> guh
[03:25] <Omnifrog> I was babysitting my grand daughter today
[03:25] <Omnifrog> I'm a bit worn out
[03:28] <[Ubik]> hah
[03:28] <[Ubik]> nah, a DJ on the side
[03:28] <[Ubik]> for a radio station on FM
[03:28] <Omnifrog> I was a DJ of a few years
[03:29] <Omnifrog> on an internet station
[03:29]  * Unit193 doesn't want to picture [Ubik] as a stripper...
[03:30] <[Ubik]> cyberanger tried to pay me good money to strip at the block party tonight but I wouldn't do it
[03:30] <[Ubik]> not that I have any dignity or anything, I just wouldn't do it
[09:16] <cyberanger> [Ubik]: funny
[09:16] <cyberanger> Unit193: no you don't


[22:35] <Takyoji> Any specific webserver hardening suggestions from anyone?
[22:36] <Takyoji> Like Single Packet Authentication, basic blacklisting scripts, security modules, chroot for Apache, etc?
[22:38] <Takyoji> Anyone used grsecurity before?