[00:22] <Quantos> Using KUbuntu 18.04, is there a way to get an 'Empty Trash' button on dolphin?
[00:22] <Quantos> Or would I need a different file manager?
[04:02] <valorie> Quantos: you need a button rather than just a selection?
[04:03] <valorie> I right-click trash and select empty right up top, and it's done
[04:23] <Quantos> Yeah, a button would be rather convenient
[04:23] <Quantos> I don't live in the stone ages
[04:23] <jacky> lol
[04:24] <jacky> I mean a button is a bit overkill
[04:24] <Quantos> I don't think so at all
[04:24] <jacky> where would you put it?
[04:25] <jacky> also I'm sure that someone made a plasmoid/widget for it
[04:25] <Quantos> There's loads of room
[04:25] <Quantos> Then point one out
[04:25] <jacky> ...
[04:25] <Quantos> Quit being a useless twit
[04:25] <jacky> lol okay sure
[04:25] <jacky> https://store.kde.org and call it a day
[04:25] <Quantos> Bollocks on a sow I tell you
[04:25] <jacky> knock yourself out
[04:26] <Quantos> Knock you out fucktard
[04:26] <jacky> ....
[04:26] <jacky> this is why I stick to social media
[05:43] <valorie> good grief
[05:43] <valorie> I hardly use the trash so I think a button is total overkill
[06:03] <jacky> right
[06:49] <mr_yogurt> what is Konsole doing that makes `cat /usr/share/dict/words` almost 100x faster than in xterm?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:31] <diogenes_> hi
[12:34]  * BluesKaj heads to the kitchen for more coffee
 Hello, I have a problem. namely, when I started Kubuntu 18:04 I will see a flashing _ dash top left and my courser I can still move. I can not get to the login screen. Restarts do not help ...
[12:36]  * diogenes_ prefers fresh juice
[12:38] <diogenes_> AuspiciusLynx, try booting with nomodeset
 how do I do that?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> he probly has autologin enabled
 No I haven’t aktivste this
 Aktivate*
[12:40] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset
 Doesn’t help
[12:45] <BluesKaj> did ytou run sudo update-grub
 ?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> in the vt/tty , ctl+alt-F2--F6
 Yes... ist loading
 no, it did not work.
[12:54] <diogenes_> AuspiciusLynx, after what even/action is stopped booting?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> do you mean ctl+alt-F2 didn't load a terminal?
 it will stop after displaying the Kubuntu logo
 but it has started actual dates but I could not do anything else
[12:56] <diogenes_> AuspiciusLynx, no no i mean is it a fresh install? was it booting up to this day/?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> dates?
 Yes, I installed it yesterday and it booted this morning
[12:58] <diogenes_> and between yesterday and this morning what have you done? installing something? maybe drivers?
 No, I only worked on something in the design. but nothing installed or added
[13:00] <diogenes_> AuspiciusLynx, so you installed a program for design?
 Mo
 No*
[13:00] <diogenes_> and what device you're using now to chat here?
 My iPad.
[13:01] <diogenes_> ook, do you dual boot with windows?
 Yes
[13:01] <BluesKaj> aha
 ?
[13:03] <diogenes_> and windows boots?
 Yes
[13:04] <diogenes_> and do you have the kubuntu usb installation media?
 Yes I have it
[13:06] <diogenes_> then boot into live session and see what you have in /home/nickname
[13:06] <diogenes_> of your current partition not the usb one
[13:06] <diogenes_> also turn on hidden files and tell me if there is .Xauthority
 Um, how do I do that? how can I boot live?
 can anyone speak german here? I always have to use the translator to understand something ...
[13:10] <diogenes_> AuspiciusLynx, turn off pc (not reboot), insert the usb, hit the start button, hit f12, or f2 or whatever key you have to show the boot menu and choose the usb
[13:10] <diogenes_> it's the same step as when you install the syste,
[13:10] <diogenes_> system*
[13:10] <diogenes_> for german
[13:11] <diogenes_> !de | AuspiciusLynx
 Ok
 So should I reinstall Kubuntu?
[13:15] <diogenes_> AuspiciusLynx, foirst of all try to boot live session and remove .Xauthority and .ICEauthority
[13:15] <diogenes_> then reboot again
[13:16] <diogenes_> if doesn't worka nd no one else have any ideas the, re-installation would cost you less time than troubleshooting
 I just found someone who can explain that to me in German. Thanks for the efforts
[13:16] <diogenes_> ok
[14:48] <Alexfrench> hello all
[14:49] <Alexfrench> should i have to get a gpu to use davinci resolve 15 ont a netbook ?
[14:50] <Alexfrench> it is an old hp 9 years old with ati radeon 4500
[14:52] <BluesKaj> Alexfrench, most likely yes, looks quite video intensive
[14:53] <BluesKaj> dunno if your old HP can handle a new fast gpu tho
[14:53] <Alexfrench> thank you
[14:53] <Alexfrench> no i can't upgrade it
[14:54] <BluesKaj> black magic is a pretty high end company
[14:54] <Alexfrench> i think it it was in mcc format i could
[14:54] <Alexfrench> but not this one
[14:54] <BluesKaj> more for professional use iirc
[14:54] <Alexfrench> too old
[15:42] <turbo64> whenevr i mount an iso its stuck in the sidebar forever after i unmount it
[15:42] <turbo64> even after deleting the iso
[15:42] <turbo64> how do i remove it?
[23:00] <Nexilva> Does ssd need driver?
[23:58] <Quantos> Nexilva- It shouldn't need any additional driver I think
[23:59] <Quantos> Mine is fine without one


[10:20] <kwwii> good morning
[10:33] <thorwil> morning!
[11:19] <thorwil> hi ivanka. what happened with the survey?
[11:20] <ivanka> thorwil: I got lots of responses and have just started analysing this week. This is my first week back and there have been some minor dramas but I am almost back on track!
[11:20] <ivanka> thorwil: it also takes longer than I anticipated because the responses are so good and detailed
[11:24] <thorwil> ivanka: well, that's good, then
[11:24] <ivanka> thorwil: it's great, not just good :-)
[11:25] <thorwil> the ubuntu-art logo will be back on the table, soon. i kinda wish that it didn't happen at all
[11:59] <doctormo> thorwil: I agree :-) good morning
[12:01] <evilvish> doctormo: hey..
[12:01] <evilvish> doctormo: did you happen to catch yesterday's scrollback?
[12:01] <evilvish> doctormo: submit to artowl is broken.. :(
[12:03] <evilvish> thorwil: i nearly facepalmed and that alternate wallpaper mail yesterday..
[12:03] <evilvish> and thought, even faceplaming is a waste of time ;p
[12:04] <darkmatter> kinda like how I regularly facepalm at evilvish? ;)
[12:05] <evilvish> darkmatter: but you do facepalm.. \o/  while i dint ;p
[12:05] <darkmatter> lol
[12:06] <darkmatter> evilvish: I'll try that one day. may help in reducing headaches. facepalming hurts
[12:20] <doctormo> evilvish: Thanks for letting me know
[12:22] <evilvish> doctormo: np.. when it is fixed could you let me know? or can you reply to the last comment when it is done?  http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/bright-light-and-beautiful/
[12:23] <doctormo> evilvish: looks like it's not fixable, I'm not a php programmer so I don't know how to fix it.
[12:23] <doctormo> Just reproduced it, definitly a weird php error. Do we know anyone who does php?
[12:23] <evilvish> doctormo: ok np. or could you get me the error logs?  i can try to find someone else …
[12:24] <doctormo> evilvish: Think of me more are to organiser of owl art, it's based on ccHost.
[12:24] <doctormo> evilvish: Will grab logs now
[12:24] <evilvish> thx..!
[12:25] <thorwil> evilvish: heh, yeah, i wondered if and how to react to that and my mind stalled
[12:26] <doctormo> Ah damn, I don't have access to the logs. Will prod pleia2
[12:27] <thorwil> evilvish, doctormo: i though by now it was clear that ccHost doesn't like php 5, and that we have no one to fix that?
[12:27] <evilvish> can we move the site to drupal?
[12:28] <doctormo> evilvish: No, no more php sites, please
[12:28] <evilvish> thorwil: one last person has offered to have a look at it.. if that fails as well... maybe wiki submissions ;p
[12:28] <thorwil> pfft
[12:28] <doctormo> Let's face it, we simply don't have to tools to accept art over the internet.
[12:28] <evilvish> :D
[12:29] <thorwil> let's require submissions via letter post!
[12:29] <evilvish> heh.. we can just ask people to submit as attachments to a bug report in lp ;)
[12:29] <doctormo> evilvish: Where is good vish, I miss him.
[12:31] <evilvish> doctormo: vish is just tired of noob IRC users sending PMs and not waiting for replies :p
[12:33] <doctormo> evilvish: Ah well, I guess evil is ok, as long as you're not diabolical.
[12:33] <evilvish> haha!
[13:36] <darkmatter> -31 C. anyone feel like swapping locations? :D
[14:03] <thorwil> i'd shiver out of that location
[15:46] <darkmatter> evilvish: just had a cute idea for min/unmin in unity (since the default animations are unnaturally dizzying with the launcher on the side). since the launcher is more of a drawer/shelf seeming approach, it should be a "open/close" "collapse/expand" type animation imho. with a "<-[ ]" type glyph to collapse and a "[ ]->' glyph (on running apps in the launcher thingy) to expand.
[15:46] <darkmatter> maybe a little "flash" of light along the edge of the launcher tile on collapse as a visual cue
[15:46] <darkmatter> evilvish: think I should file a "you make me dizzy" bug? ;P
[15:47] <darkmatter> not sure how it would look on smaller windows, but would be nice and graceful on larger/maximized
[15:49] <evilvish> darkmatter: you'd have better luck getting your ideas implemented in gnome ;)
[15:49] <darkmatter> lol. I know
[15:52] <darkmatter> meh. technically just need to pester the compiz devs for an option. minimize does _not_ look natural when executed horizontally
[15:56] <doctormo> evilvish: I didn't think anyone, anywhere could get anything into gnome. Even if it made sense.
[15:56] <evilvish> doctormo: exactly! why i said the above ;)
[15:57] <doctormo> I met some of the gnome designers, they mean well, but my god have I never met more arrogant people. Well except for myself ;-)
[15:57] <evilvish> doctormo: darkmatter has had some pleasant experience getting his ideas implemented/used
[15:57]  * evilvish hides..
[15:58] <darkmatter> :P
[15:59] <darkmatter> evilvish: but I keep all the good ones to myself. why waste breath :P
[16:20] <thorwil> doctormo: designers sometimes have to be stubborn and very confident to get anywhere, and what's the difference between that and arrogance, anyway? :)
[16:22] <evilvish> thorwil: have you read robbiew's email sig?
[16:23] <thorwil> evilvish: nope
[16:26] <evilvish> thorwil: "Arrogance is thinking you are better than everyone else, while
[16:26] <evilvish> Confidence is knowing no one else is better than you."
[16:27] <thorwil> heh, yes, i did read that somewhere
[16:28] <evilvish> thorwil: yea.. it's in all of his mails.. he mentions he came up with that.. but whoeve..  it's a nice one ;)
[17:21] <doctormo> thorwil: It depends. The main problem with the gnome arrogance is that it's based within a limited social structure where very few people can act as peers or as users.
[17:22] <doctormo> I believe it's only possible to be confident about ui design when you either have access to solid usability research, or have access to large numbers of _friends_ who are users.
[17:22] <doctormo> Preferably both
[17:22]  * darkmatter agrees with doctormo
[17:22] <doctormo> The gnome team is very inwardly looking, they don't have the social support to make sure their ideas aren't warped by their echo chamber.
[17:23] <doctormo> Anyone outside of gnome isn't worthy of being listened to, or accepting rationally critique from. In fact the main modus is argument and defence.
[17:31] <evilvish> doctormo: any luck with the logs?
[17:32] <doctormo> evilvish: Remind me which logos? (I do lots of those)
[17:32] <evilvish> ohmy!
[17:32] <evilvish> doctormo: the art-owl logs.. ;)
[17:32] <doctormo> Oh logs! misread, sorry
[17:33] <evilvish> ah, i missed the last "o" too :)
[17:33] <doctormo> I've emailed Elizabeth, nothing more I can do but wait for her to give me access to them.
[17:33] <evilvish> doctormo: right,cool.. just making sure before i forget.. otherwise i'd remind you tomorrow and it would take another day :)
[17:34] <evilvish> timezones suck!
[17:34] <thorwil> that echo chamber and defensive stance thing is going on i a lot of places
[17:34] <evilvish> whoever had the brilliant idea of making the world round!
[17:36]  * darkmatter reformats the world as a mobius strip
[17:36] <darkmatter> evilvish: timezone that ^ :P
[17:38] <evilvish> hmm.. wouldnt be too bad.. only a few parts of the world would have light and some would/might never get light... we'd have a much more diverse collection of species. ;)
[17:40]  * evilvish steals darkmatter's planet idea for AVATAR2 ;p
[17:40] <darkmatter> hehe
[17:43] <doctormo> thorwil: I agree, I kinda like elementary for being a little more open in that regard.
[17:44] <doctormo> evilvish: Those planets exist, they're still round, they're just tidily locked to their star. Usually red dwarfs.
[17:45] <thorwil> doctormo: _mobius_strip_  planets?
[17:45] <doctormo> Nope, mobius strips are 3D objects, you want a 2D concept. A square will do it.
[20:31] <thorwil> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/backtestground-explained/
[20:39] <coz_> thorwil,  I think I am confused about this backtestbground...  I did the python setup.py   ,,, if I have an image  how again do I run to-common-resolutions
[20:40] <thorwil> coz_: in a terminal: to-common-resolutions filename
[20:40] <coz_> mm that didnt work but let me try again
[20:40] <thorwil> (tab completion really shines with those longish command names)
[20:41] <thorwil> coz_: if it throws out an error about something not found, you have an old tarball
[20:41] <coz_> to-common-resolutions  command not found
[20:41] <coz_> oh
[20:41] <coz_> mm I just reinstalled it let me find a newer version then
[20:42] <thorwil> coz_: wait
[20:42] <coz_> thorwil,  could be I am on natty
[20:42] <thorwil> coz_: do "echo $PATH"
[20:42] <thorwil> and look for "/usr/local/bin" in that list
[20:43] <coz_> its there
[20:43] <coz_> oh wait
[20:43] <coz_> no its /usr/local/sbin
[20:43] <coz_> nope wrong again
[20:43] <coz_> there is a /usr/local/bin
[20:44] <coz_> bad day I think :)
[20:44] <thorwil> coz_: what does "which to-common-resolutions" say?
[20:44] <coz_> nothing
[20:45] <thorwil> coz_: you read and followed INSTALL?
[20:45] <coz_> I believe so but let me do it again hold on
[20:49] <coz_> setup script did not provide a directory for '' -- installing right in 'build/bdist.linux-i686/egg'
[20:50] <thorwil> coz_: paste files.txt
[20:52] <coz_> damn   ok didnt work but  let me come back .. family is needing me to do things...be back in a bit
[20:56] <thorwil> unfortunately, i have to log out for today. sorry to coz_


[12:37] <manchicken> Riddell: So do you know if you could get me a kubuntu shirt made in a baby's size? ;)
[12:45] <mhb> hi
[12:53] <nixternal> manchicken|away: cafepress has(d) one
[12:59] <Arby> following an oem install should the oem-config wizard launch automatically on login?
[01:03] <Arby> ah, nevermind
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> they look awful.......... geeky.
[02:18] <RadiantFire> they do don't they
[02:45] <nixternal> Riddell: that is \sh's crowd
[03:08] <jjesse> anything fun going on tonight?
[03:09] <crimsun> it's pretty happening here in the coffee shop
[03:20] <RadiantFire> mmm... coffee shop
[03:42] <ryanakca> umm... wouldn't Kat recursively import itself? it's currently cataloging it's db... which then get's cataloged... but, as the catalog grows with stuff scanned from the catalog, the catalog grows...
[03:43] <RadiantFire> ryanakca: I feel like kat should know were its own db is and to not scan that
[03:43] <ryanakca> RadiantFire: yeah
[03:44] <ryanakca> once it starts scanning itself, it alwais adds stuff for itself to scan
[03:44] <ryanakca> methinks
[03:44] <RadiantFire> if it does, you have uncovered a fatal flaw in its design
[03:45] <ryanakca> s/alwais/always
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> hey > RadiantFire
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> wait... how do I PM?
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> ah..never mind
[03:47] <RadiantFire> oh goodie
[06:16] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:21] <ScottK2> Hello Hobbsee
[06:22] <Hobbsee> hiya :)
[09:08] <pygi> hello folks
[09:12] <Hobbsee> hi pygi!
[09:13] <pygi> Hobbsee, is sealne (or whatever the spelling is) or tonio around?
[09:13] <pygi> Hobbsee, I can see that k3b isn't really maintained in the distro (except regular updates, but that's not too good)
[09:13] <Hobbsee> tonio_ is the nick, seaLne doesnt appear to be
[09:14] <pygi> Hobbsee, tonio_ isn't here as well
[09:14] <pygi> meh, I want to get cdrecording up to shape, and there's just too many bugs
[09:18] <Riddell> sealne isn't active at the moment, he's busy organising akademy
[09:19] <pygi> Riddell, got it
[09:20] <pygi> Riddell, anyone in kubuntu familiar enough with k3b's codebase and cd-recording that could maintain k3b?
[09:21] <pygi> this is an impressive list of bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/
[09:21] <pygi> each one of them can and should be fixed imho
[09:25] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell
[09:25] <Hobbsee> pygi: you?
[09:26] <pygi> Hobbsee, I can't do everything ... :)
[09:26] <pygi> but compare it to number of bugs brasero has for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero
[09:26] <pygi> and you'll see what I'm refering to
[09:26] <pygi> and I believe in a couple of days I'll be able to close all brasero bugs except the wishlist stuff
[09:28] <pygi> Hobbsee, Riddell : I'd seriously like k3b to become better, so users could have better kubuntu experience
[09:41] <pygi> Hobbsee, pls react :P
[09:44] <Hobbsee> -EAFK
[10:37] <mhb> good morning
[10:39] <Hobbsee> morning mhb!
[11:53] <Jucato> Tm_T: yay!! I got it to work... partially...
[12:35] <fdoving> yay, openvpn is cool.
[12:41] <ryanakca> RadiantFire: it's still scanning itself, so I have a feeling that it's either a bug, and will scan itself indefinitely or until it escapes from it's loop
[01:16] <Riddell> ooh, progress http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde4-systemsettings.png
[01:18] <gnomefreak> thats different? i havent set up kubuntu on gutsy yet but that looks just about the same to me
[01:19] <mhb> do we really need the tabs?
[01:21] <Jucato> what other possible alternative to separate the Advanced modules?
[01:21] <mhb> Jucato: um... not separate it?
[01:22] <Riddell> it's not ment to be different, it's ment to be KDE 4 :)
[01:22] <sebas> I wonder if ereslibre's klistview categories wouldn't be useful for systemsettings, manchicken|away
[01:22] <sebas> http://www.ereslibre.es/?p=49
[01:23] <Jucato> mhb: hm.. dunno. iirc it was el who worked on separating them. manchicken was the one who converted them to tabs. they were buttons previously
[01:23] <Jucato> anyway... off to dinner...
[01:24] <mhb> Jucato: true, but I've never heard positive feedback about it
[01:25] <mhb> Jucato: yeah, bad topic
[01:28] <_StefanS_> I would like that new kde4-systemsettings to let you go back to non-administrative privileges, sometimes you need to just set stuff on user level
[01:49] <RadiantFire> hi mhb
[01:50] <mhb> hi RadiantFire
[01:56] <pygi> Hobbsee, you know that doesn't work on me
[01:56] <Hobbsee> awww
[01:56] <apachelogger> omg
[01:56] <pygi> sorry, won't wor as well
[01:56] <pygi> work*
[01:56] <Hobbsee> it will if it's used hard enough :P
[01:56] <pygi> nop
[01:56] <pygi> trust me
[01:56] <pygi> especially if it's made out of wood, I can just burn it :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> it's metal.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> nice, hard, shiny metal
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> magnesium?
[01:57] <pygi> ok, then I'll just turn the fire to greater temperature
[01:57] <apachelogger> today on apachelogger tv: pbuilder - watch it throw off the domino piece
[01:58] <pygi> Hobbsee, I need to talk to you about serious things
[01:58] <Hobbsee> pygi: okay
[01:58] <apachelogger> bah
[01:59] <pygi> Hobbsee, we need to think of a viable way to maintain k3b
[01:59] <pygi> it just isn't going to work this way
[01:59] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure you could discuss that without sealne here, effectively, though
[01:59] <Hobbsee> how well does debian maintain it?
[01:59] <Riddell> pygi: hmm?
[01:59] <pygi> if I remember, there's a good maintainer in debian that took over k3b
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Original-Maintainer: Francois Marier<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:00] <pygi> but there's still lack of common sense since no one is really familiar with the inner workings
[02:00] <pygi> Hobbsee, yup, him :)
[02:00] <pygi> Riddell, wanted to discuss k3b situation if you don't mind :)
[02:00] <pygi> (and yes, I know I'm boring, just trying to get things done)
[02:00] <Riddell> pygi: what's to discuss?  a maintainer within Kubuntu would be nice.  I don't see any going spare
[02:01] <pygi> ah, I knew sealne  was updating to newest versions, but that just ain't gonna cut it
[02:01] <pygi> there are a lot of bugs reported against k3b, and no one is looking at them/fixing them
[02:01] <Hobbsee> k/d differences look to be a fair bit
[02:01] <Hobbsee> (and this is in main, so we probably cant ignore it)
[02:02] <Riddell> pygi: that's the case for lots of packages.  probably most
[02:02] <pygi> (no idea what "k/d" means)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> kubuntu/debian
[02:02] <pygi> Riddell, well, true ... but if we can fix it, why wouldn't we? Especially in fields where we've got experts available)
[02:02] <Riddell> sebas: that looks very nice
[02:02] <pygi> and there are a lot of areas like that in repositories
[02:03] <pygi> Hobbsee, indeed, that's why I'm arguing anyway
[02:03] <pygi> but even if it was universe, a lot of people use it
[02:03] <Riddell> pygi: do you have anything to propose?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> it looks like lure's done some uploads of it, too
[02:04] <pygi> yes, but it's all new releases and such
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: he's proposing that someone put some work into it, where that someone isnt him.
[02:04] <Riddell> well yes, that's not very helpful though
[02:04] <pygi> that was low Hobbsee. You do know I'd help wherever I can.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> but...in the time that you've been poking us here tonight, you could have *done* some of that.  and i suspect that Riddell and i are happy to sponsor sane changes.
[02:06] <pygi> I'm currently fighting brasero fail to build on sparc & ppc due to upstreams bad code. But I've got brasero down to tiny little bugs
[02:06] <pygi> couple of them only
[02:07] <sebas> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-163.php <- I do not find the updates tab?
[02:07] <pygi> I'd like to see k3b at the same situation, and it just ain't gonna happen this way
[02:07] <pygi> (/me is sorry if it's bad how it sounds, but ...)
[02:08] <Riddell> sebas: do you have software-properties-kde installed?
[02:08] <sebas> Let's have a  look
[02:08] <sebas> No, installing it now
[02:08] <Hobbsee> sealne's regarded as the maintainer - i'd suggest you talk to him about how you should help out, in getting what you want.  obviously, people who work with the code regularly are going ot have more of an idea of what's wrong there.
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> Lure: I was going through some bug reports and wanted to confirm something.
[02:09] <pygi> Hobbsee, IMHO I'm not some troll around here who's trying to stop your good work or anything. Just trying to helpp.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> i'd also suspect that if we cant find someone in kubuntu who will maintain it, we should send our changes, which seem to be a fair few, back to debian.  which we should do anyway
[02:09] <pygi> Hobbsee, well, that's the problem. There's never been any changes in ubuntu to fix bugs.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> oh indeed.  but you've hit the brick wall of "no one here actually wants to touch that partiuclar package, as they dont know enough"
[02:10] <Hobbsee> and keeping on hitting that will not make the answer any different, i'm afraid.
[02:10] <fdoving> pygi: why not just sync with debian if they have a nice package?
[02:10] <pygi> Hobbsee, meh, ok, I don't want to argue with you :(
[02:10] <Hobbsee> i'm not trying to argue - i'm merely laying out the facts.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> as it is, i dont burn enough cds, etc, that i have any chance of being able to work on it effectively
[02:10] <pygi> I didn't say you have to work on it
[02:10] <Riddell> sealne won't be touching it, he's got RSI and he's organising akademy
[02:11] <pygi> yes, I understand
[02:11] <Jucato> pretty :D
[02:12] <pygi> Hobbsee, I have enough work as is anyway, as we all do
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> Lure: yeah.... about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/112120 the ;ast responder says that he can't use your patch packages because they are i386. BUt since its Python. it should be cross platform, right?
[02:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112120 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager crashes at startup" [High,Fix committed]
[02:12] <pygi> and I do understand ... but still think we should get things going :(
[02:12] <sebas> Riddell: Thanks, got it now.
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> hehe... didn't know ubotu could do that.
[02:12] <manchicken_> Riddell: Did you try playing with that custom widget I made for it?
[02:12] <Lure> Jucato: ;-)
[02:13] <Hobbsee> pygi: oh i agree with you.  no question there.  but "shoudl get things going" doesnt actually translate to finding someone, and fixing the entire world.
[02:13] <Hobbsee> which is a pain.
[02:13] <Riddell> manchicken_: nope, where's that and what does it do?
[02:13] <fdoving> pygi: what's the problem with k3b? - are you sure there are package bugs, if not, the bugs should be forwarded upstream.
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Lure: the want for someone to maintain k3b adn go thru the buglists.
[02:13] <manchicken_> It's in SVN with systemsettings, and I designed it to be simple.
[02:13] <manchicken_> :)
[02:13] <manchicken_> It's like KIconGroupPage or something like that.
[02:13] <pygi> fdoving, some bugs should indeed be forwarded upstream, but some we should fix as well
[02:14] <manchicken_> Can't remember exactly what I called it.
[02:14] <pygi> otherwise it ain't gonna work
[02:14] <pygi> we just can't embrace upstream sources without patches all the time
[02:14] <manchicken_> It's just using layouts for a lot of that stuff.
[02:14] <Lure> nosrednaekim: right, they can change their local .py files
[02:14] <pygi> Hobbsee, meh
[02:14] <pygi> Hobbsee, Riddell : anyway, sorry for bugging. I'll stop talking about it.
[02:14] <Lure> nosrednaekim: packages are still arch specific due to some C++ modules used in python
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> Lure: hmm...thats too bad.
[02:15] <fdoving> Hobbsee: tonio of course :)
[02:15] <Hobbsee> pygi: you've hit the "unpaid people have the right to work on whatever they like, and to avoid whatever they don't like" wall too.
[02:15] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i was wondering about that
[02:16] <fdoving> Hobbsee: he did the last merge with debian. even closed a bug :)
[02:16] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[02:16] <pygi> Hobbsee, yes, yes, I apologize ... as I said, will not discuss it anymore
[02:18] <fdoving> pygi: the thing is, we must focus on packging, upstream focus on development, if someone have fun fixing bugs and send patches upstream, that's just a bonus. if we were trying to fix all bugs in all packages available in kubuntu we would need some more developers.
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> Lure: is that just for safety purposes, or does it really commonly break things?
[02:19] <Lure> nosrednaekim: it breaks if you set cpu freq to one that is not supported by powermanager (for example "conservative")
[02:19] <Lure> nosrednaekim: if there would be many reporters (which I do not see), we could classify it as SRU-candidate
[02:19] <fdoving> Lure: will the when-laptop-lid-closes feature become ac/battery aware in the future? - i always lock screen on ac, and suspend on battery. annoying to have to change that manually whenever i disconnect ac.
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> Lure: sorry for my ignorance, what is a SRU-candidate?
[02:20] <Lure> fdoving: open wishlist bug - it may make sense really
[02:20] <manchicken_> Riddell: kicongrouppage.h
[02:20] <fdoving> Lure: do you use the kde bugtracker?
[02:20] <pygi> stable release update nosrednaekim
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> pygi: ah ok.
[02:20] <Lure> fdoving: however for most users it is a question more if they are on lid or external display, so options beside- none might not make much sense
[02:21] <Lure> nosrednaekim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[02:22] <Lure> pygi: I agree we have too many bugs opened on k3b, but it is unfair to compare this to brasero (which is in universe and not installed by default, not to mention that k3b is used a lot by gnome users too)
[02:22] <Lure> pygi: major problem we have in ubuntu is "drinking-from-the-firehose" in terms of bugs
[02:23] <Lure> pygi: so it is not a problem of fixing bugs (I am one of those very interested in bug fixes), but in terms og bug triage/getting bug reports to appropraite quality
[02:23] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: poke
[02:24] <Hobbsee> oh hang on, whos' into system settings here?
[02:24] <Lure> pygi: the problem is also that it is hard for developers to focus on k3b (which works for them just fine as is) and not on other bugs they encounter personally
[02:24] <fdoving> Lure: i often use the lid-display and lock-screen on close, compiling with the lid locked can be nice when you have kids in the house. :)
[02:24] <Lure> fdoving: right
[02:24] <fdoving> i might be a special case.
[02:25] <sebas> fdoving: It's three clicks to change the setting, do you think this validates cluttering the UI?
[02:25] <Lure> pygi: and you should not underestimate what Hobbsee said: volunteers do what they like not always what they should (in whoever minds)
[02:25] <pygi> Lure, pm
[02:26] <Lure> pygi: you started public discussion, so no need to pm now ;-)
[02:26] <fdoving> sebas: i do it alot, so to me, yes. i can see that others might not want it though.
[02:26] <pygi> Lure, yes, but I fall back, and have no intentions to continue
[02:26] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: That tickles.
[02:26] <sebas> To be honest, I do not see a wide use case
[02:27] <Lure> pygi: I just responded on scrollback so I responded to ping ;-)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: what are your thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/52670?
[02:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 52670 in kde-systemsettings "Kubuntu setting default components don't affect gnome/gtk apps" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:27] <pygi> Lure, time will tell. It always does.
[02:27] <Hobbsee> apart from cimmo being a pain as usual?
[02:28] <Lure> sebas: I would probably agree that we really need to think about possible usecases - I hate to write solutions for things I do not understand the use case
[02:28] <pygi> Lure, trust me or do not, but things will change =) And then you'll see I was right :)
[02:28] <pygi> (about whatever related to this field :))
[02:28] <fdoving> Lure, sebas: gnome-power-preferences can do this.
[02:28] <Lure> pygi: so you will take care of k3b bugs? thay would be great...
[02:28] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: My feelings on that is that we don't maintain Thunderbird.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: the issue is a decent one, though
[02:29] <pygi> Lure, I didn't said that.
[02:29] <Jucato> Hobbsee: unfortunately, that's a feature, not a bug. but a very inconvenient feature...
[02:29] <Lure> fdoving: they can do all kind of stuff, but I may not agree it is right
[02:29] <Hobbsee> please both of you reply on that bug.
[02:29] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: But system settings should be working with alternatives properly.
[02:30] <Lure> fdoving: please open bug and describe use-cases for different settings and I think there might be other interested users to add to it
[02:30] <pygi> Lure, IMHO if nothing else, and in no other field I can have a say ... in the cd-recording I believe I do
[02:30] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: that's my thought.  who's the relevant person for making it so?
[02:30] <Jucato> Hobbsee, manchicken_: I recall encountering a slightly old KDE app called kalternatives in KDE SVN
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: isn't there a setting "apply qt themse to gtk apps"?
[02:30] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: I think a bug is already open for that.
[02:30] <Jucato> it's a KDE counterpart to galternatives
[02:30] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: there's 2, yeah.
[02:30] <apachelogger> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5423
[02:30] <Hobbsee> iirc
[02:30] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: So this one should be closed as a poorly worded duplicate.
[02:30] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: That's my $0.02
[02:30] <Jucato> er no....
[02:30] <Lure> apachelogger: maybe tonight (if kids will be good ;-))
[02:30] <Jucato> manchicken_: this is a different issue
[02:31] <manchicken_> Jucato: I thought this one was just that alternatives weren't being set?
[02:31] <apachelogger> Lure: k :D
[02:31] <Jucato> manchicken_: yes. which is different from the gtk-qt  engine
[02:31] <manchicken_> Jucato: The bug that Hobbsee is talking about doesn't seem like it's a gtk-qt engine issue.
[02:32] <Jucato> yes. it's a kcontrol bug, imho (not really systemsettings... but...)
[02:32] <Jucato> althought it's not really a "bug" per se
[02:32] <manchicken_> Jucato: system settings is the official system settings program of kubuntu :)
[02:33] <Jucato> hence the "but..."
[02:33] <Jucato> :)
[02:33] <Tm_T> Jucato: wonderful
[02:33] <Jucato> Tm_T: but there's a problem, hence the "partially". :(
[02:34] <Tm_T> that is?
[02:34] <Jucato> I can only ping, use apt-get, and use w3m in the CLI
[02:34] <Jucato> as if KDE doesn't know that the internet is working. also can't connect to irssi
[02:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee: there's a ShinyPointyStick now too?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes
[02:36] <Jucato> eeek! so many pointy thingies!!!
[02:39] <rbrunhuber> I tried to test Gutsy Tribe 1 Desktop CD yesterday in Virtual PC 2007 but it does not even start. I did not investigate further. But does it make sense to test in VPC 2007?
[02:39] <Jucato> ouchie
[02:39] <Jucato> Hobbsee: anyway, regarding your question, if anyone's interested on working on it, there's kalternatives for that particular purpose mentioned in the bug report
[02:40] <Jucato> kalternatives could also cover selecting Sun Java
[02:41] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[02:41] <Jucato> couldn't there be a postinst script to do that for Java btw?
[02:42] <Jucato> I mean run update-alternatives --config java after installing?
[02:45] <Tm_T> Jucato: try killing all network handling apps, like knetworkmanager
[02:46] <Jucato> Tm_T: ok... I'll try that in a bit. I spent up my load (credits) again :P
[02:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdenonbeta/kdedebian/kalternatives/
[02:46] <Tm_T> haha
[02:48] <Jucato> Hobbsee: it was one of those apps I was planning to package for Kubuntu, but never had time to learn how to package :)
[02:48] <Jucato> and still don't have time now hehehe
[02:48] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:48] <Jucato> it installs a kcontrol module btw. not a standalone app
[02:56] <apachelogger> Jucato: so letz get it packaged, huh?
[02:57] <Tm_T> Kool!
[02:58] <Jucato> kthxbye
[02:58] <Jucato> hai world!
[03:00] <apachelogger> Jucato: ye think I should checkout from SVN?
[03:02] <Jucato> hm.. I guess so... there doesn't seem to be any package for it even in debian....
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/105102 - about that, where's the patch that you've used?
[03:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105102 in usplash "Cannot shutdown computer with Kubuntu Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[03:43] <Hobbsee> i want to test it out here for 3.5.7, as i get that too
[03:46] <seele> this is going to sound like a stupid question, but how to do unmount a cdrom in kubuntu without going to the command line?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> right click on desktop icon, safely remove?
[03:48] <seele> i dont have anything on my desktop
[03:48] <seele> and it wont let me eject it in /media/
[03:49] <seele> it says the KDE media manager isn't running
[03:49] <Hobbsee> seele: poke fdoving then
[03:49] <seele> what would a normal user do though
[03:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: actually tonio did it.  it's in kdebase, he removed the usplash patch and edited kdm.init
[03:53] <apokryphos> seele: not in media:/ too?
[03:54] <seele> apokryphos: nope
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, do you have the patch anyway?
[03:54] <seele> hmm.. well popping it with a pin certainly screwed it up
[03:54] <apokryphos> hrm, that shouldn't happen
[03:54] <seele> it still wont open the drive even though there is no cd in it
[03:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's not a patch.  it's a removed patch and edited kdm.init
[03:55] <Riddell> I don't have a debdiff to hand
[03:55] <Hobbsee> s/patch/debdiff/ sorry
[03:55] <Hobbsee> right
[03:55] <Riddell> seele: sounds like your kded broke
[03:56] <Riddell> start kded from the command line and see if that helps in media;?
[03:56] <Riddell> media:/
[03:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is no official tarball for http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdenonbeta/kdedebian/kalternatives/ ... shall I produce my own and use ubuntu revision? or no ubuntu revision?
[03:57] <seele> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169 Major opcode:  145 Minor opcode:  3 Resource id:  0x0
[03:57] <seele> Failed to open device
[04:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: what is it?
[04:02] <fdoving> seele: did anything appear in /media/ ?
[04:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: make your own tar.  look at how we version kde-systemsettings for example
[04:02] <apachelogger> k, thx
[04:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's a gui for the alternatives system btw :)
[04:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd investigate if there's not a reason it isn't released
[04:03] <fdoving> Lure: i hacked my powermanager, it does what i want now :)
[04:05] <Lure> fdoving: that is why I love python for such apps ;-)
[04:06] <apachelogger> yucks
[04:06] <apachelogger> karma issue :S
[04:06] <fdoving> seele: you want to go to kmenu -> system settings -> service manager -> check that 'KDED Media Manager' is running. if not, start it.
[04:06] <apachelogger> hm
[04:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is a released version http://freshmeat.net/projects/kalternatives/
[04:07] <apachelogger> still SVN is shipping lot more code
[04:07] <fdoving> Lure: yeah, my first usefull python experience. and the hack is very very quick and dirty.
[04:11] <nixternal_> someone double check bug 116216 and see if it should be confirmed or left as a wishlist item
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116216 in kdepim "Akregator shows incorrect screenshot in warning" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116216
[04:18] <apachelogger> nixternal_: IMHO it's wishlist
[04:18] <mhb> I thought somebody worked on making the Bluetooth on Kubuntu without that annoying pop-up
[04:18] <apachelogger> one just can't support every single window manager out there
[04:18] <nixternal_> ya, that is what I put it at
[04:18] <nixternal_> first I had ever heard of Ion3
[04:18] <nixternal_> I had to google it to see wth it was
[04:18] <apachelogger> me too ^_^
[04:18] <nixternal_> I like the example though that the popup shows
[05:18] <nixternal_> where is the aspell dictionary located that is used with kmail et al.?
[05:19] <Riddell> dpkg -L aspell-en
[05:20] <nixternal_> heh, there is a very weird spell check bug that was noted in kmail
[05:20] <nixternal_> open up kmail, start and email, and mix 2 words together that are correctly spelled
[05:20] <nixternal_> catscratch, feverscratch, motorcity, madman, Detroitrock....all of these words are marked as spelled correctly
[05:20] <nixternal_> hehe
[05:21] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: MidMark is interested in knowing how to implement the alternatives thing in system settings properly.  do you have any pointers as to where this would be?
[05:21] <nixternal_> Riddell: I can't believe I asked that question knowing that dpkg -L shows me what I wanted :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: if you're around on the weekend, and could help him out a bit, that'd be good.  he's Cimmo on the bug report, and seems to have a fairly good, or least vocal idea of what's going on, so should have a clear will to actually fix it.
[05:23] <nixternal_> yup, it is an aspell issue, not a kmail issue.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal_: did you end up going thru the kdelibs bugs, btw?
[05:24] <nixternal_> no I haven't
[05:24] <nixternal_> going through kdepim right now
[05:24] <nixternal_> I will run through kdelibs in a bit
[05:24] <Hobbsee> okay, cool
[05:25] <Hobbsee> nixternal_: kdepim is good.  what's your opinion on getting pinentry-qt into main, so we can use it for agent signing?  you wouldnt happen to know how ubuntu handles that with their agent, would you?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> i thought they had an agent by default...
[05:26] <nixternal_> well, I use pinentry-qt on my laptop, but I don't use any of them on my desktop and out of the box I have no problems signing or reading encrypted email...which blew my mind
[05:26] <Hobbsee> that's...odd.
[05:26] <nixternal_> so it is hard for me to totally justify it
[05:26] <nixternal_> ya...ryanacka and I emailed each other 100 times not to long ago trying to figure it out
[05:27] <nixternal_> he was having issues and I had none out of the box
[05:27] <Hobbsee> it doesnt seem to work here
[05:27] <nixternal_> but I have expereienced those same issues before
[05:27] <Hobbsee> and i'd really like to see it fixed for everyone
[05:27] <Jucato> Tm_T: thanks for the advice on knetworkmanager. just one last problem :)
[05:27] <nixternal_> pinentry-qt though doesn't totally fix the problem though
[05:27] <Hobbsee> !ping
[05:27] <nixternal_> I know there was a hell of a lot more I had to do than just pinentry-qt
[05:27] <ubotu> pong
[05:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal_: yeah....that's what i thought
[05:30] <mhb> Hobbsee: you would get some of those back
[05:30] <Hobbsee> mhb: hrm?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> [01:30]  <gnomefreak> iirc the docs for gpg tell you to install gpg-agent
[05:31] <Hobbsee> i presume we should just make our docs tell you to install it too
[05:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: kopete crashes every time I close it
[05:31] <gnomefreak> yep that was me :)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> it'd be interesting to see what happens in their preinst, though
[05:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: and I doubt is is an upstream one
[05:31] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: :)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> mhb: did you get a backtrace of any use?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> and youv'e checked it's not a config problem?
[05:31] <gnomefreak> most end users dont need it
[05:32] <mhb> Hobbsee: config problem as in?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> mhb: crash due to config files - both ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete and ~/.kde/share/config/kopete*
[05:32] <Hobbsee> ie, move them, see if it still crashes
[05:32] <mhb> Hobbsee: you can't take all the logfiles from me :o)
[05:32] <mhb> Hobbsee: I'll try
[05:36] <mhb> Hobbsee: nope
[05:37] <Hobbsee> mhb: nope, as in, it still crashes without the config files, or stops crashing?
[05:37] <mhb> Hobbsee: yeah, still crashes
[05:37] <mhb> Hobbsee: all it takes is to add a jabber account
[05:37] <mhb> Hobbsee: for me
[05:37] <Hobbsee> mhb: okay, is it reported upstream?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> or in launchpad?
[05:38] <mhb> lp, as I thought upstream would have noticed earlier
[05:39] <Hobbsee> er....
[05:39] <Hobbsee> okay, i think my power's going to die
[05:39] <mhb> Hobbsee: goodbye, cruel Hobbsee :o)
[05:39] <Jucato> bye Hobbsee of the PointySticks
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hee
[05:40] <mhb> nah, I'm kidding, you guys are alright
[05:41] <Hobbsee> mhb: upstream is better
[05:41] <Hobbsee> mhb: we just filter all the kopete bugs upstream
[05:44] <Hobbsee> it seems odd.  i would have expected kfmclient to be in kdelibs, nto konqueror
[05:45] <gnomefreak> anyone have pittis repo handy for feisty?
[05:45] <Jucato> konqueror supersedes kfmclient afaik
[05:46] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: pitti would, i guess
[05:47] <gnomefreak> ;)
[05:55] <Hobbsee> mhb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/95742 looks like yours - please file it upstream, saying you can still reproduce it on the latest version
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95742 in kdenetwork "[feisty]  Kopete crashes on exit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:56] <mhb> Hobbsee: okay, I will
[06:00] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: The alternatives thing is gonna have to be done in the KCM modules themselves.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: right.  could you possibly mentor MidMark?
[06:00] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: systemsettings doesn't actually change any settings.  It's the KCM modules that do that directly.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> fdoving: you're on gutsy, arent you?
[06:00] <manchicken_> Very lightly...
[06:00] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: right, fair enough.  i'd wondreed as much
[06:00] <Hobbsee> cool, tahnkyou
[06:01] <manchicken_> Life is a lot more complicated with a pregnant lady in the house :)
[06:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: yeah, fair enough
[06:04] <Jucato> since kalternatives installs a kcm and system settings really just uses kcm.... but don't know how actively maintained kalternatives is... or if there is any other alternative :)
[06:04] <mhb> please don't have any configuration tools outsice system settings, oh please :o)
[06:05] <gnomefreak> manchicken_: congrats and btw it gets worse the closer to birth, but i loved every minute of it
[06:05] <gnomefreak> the above depends on the woman
[06:05] <Hobbsee> yay, bugs from 2005!
[06:06] <manchicken> gnomefreak: I'm excited about the baby and all, but Dacia's been sick a lot, and that's rough on me too.
[06:06] <mhb> Hobbsee: undecided and unconfirmed ones?
[06:06] <mhb> Hobbsee: those are the best
[06:06] <manchicken> Not loving that part :)
[06:06] <Hobbsee> mhb: yep
[06:07] <gnomefreak> manchicken: yeah i know that feeling all too well. all you can do is help her best you can, i just went through this 2 months ago give or take a week
[06:07] <manchicken> It's rough man.
[06:07] <manchicken> Though our doctor is helping.
[06:08] <manchicken> He gave her a shot that seems to be helping for the most part.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> there's oen thing that i hate about the kopete buglist
[06:11] <Hobbsee> it's the fact that it's all needed to be reported upstream, and that no matter how much you do on it, it doesnt seem to go downl
[06:17] <manchicken> Hobbsee: That's because most of the work being done on kopete is going towards kde4
[06:19] <Hobbsee> manchicken: true that. some of this stuff applies there too, i think
[06:26] <nixternal_> Riddell: bug 23107 - any status on this? can it be closed since there hasn't been any responses in the past year?
[06:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 23107 in kdepim "Moving messages using the "M" key doesn't allow searching" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/23107
[06:27] <Hobbsee> nixternal_: ask them to reopen if it still exists, yes.
[06:27] <nixternal_> roger
[06:27] <nixternal_> thanks Hobbsee...wanted to ask since it was assigned to JR
[06:27] <Hobbsee> people assign to jr without any expectation of him actually fixing it :P
[06:31] <nixternal_> haha
[06:57] <nixternal> can someone using kmail create a test event, and add me as a contact or whatever so it emails me the event stuff? I need to try and confirm a bug
[06:57] <nixternal> thanks
[07:10] <nixternal> nm, someone already hooked me up :)
[07:11] <apachelogger> uhm
[07:11] <Arby> bah, too slow
[07:11] <apachelogger> mais oui
[07:11] <apachelogger> Arby: ye can do :P
[07:12] <Arby> I was just looking for nixternals e-mail address :)
[07:12] <nixternal> hehe
[07:12] <nixternal> ya, might have been helpful if I added it<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:13] <nixternal> I did that in another channel and got 11 event requests :)
[07:13] <Arby> OK problem sorted then :)
[07:13] <Czessi> i did an event
[07:14] <apachelogger> hm
[07:14] <apachelogger> good news is
[07:14] <apachelogger> my korganizer is broken :P
[07:15] <apachelogger> lol
[07:15] <apachelogger> wtf
[07:15] <apachelogger> google calendar ftw!
[07:15] <DaSkreech> chandler ftw!
[07:16] <apachelogger> Oo
[07:16] <apachelogger> eh
[07:16] <apachelogger> yeah
[07:17] <fdoving> uh.. is that kdm userlist going to be there by default, in gutsy?
[07:18] <apachelogger> fdoving: yeah
[07:18] <yuriy> and is the option in system settings actually going to turn it on and off or are people going to have to change the theme
[07:18] <fdoving> apachelogger: help.
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: hiya
[07:19] <Hobbsee> hiya DaSkreech
[07:19] <neversfelde> hopefully not :)
[07:20] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: huh?
[07:20] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i do fiddly things with email addresses, so it all filters properly
[07:20] <Hobbsee> it's hard splitting folders up, if i cant find the original email address i used
[07:20] <Hobbsee> to change it in mailman
[07:20] <Hobbsee> i found it :)
[07:21] <apachelogger> hehe, that's why I only use gmail :P
[07:23] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: mandatory default?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: it's easy enough to fix - the setup works really well, but it's a little fiddly when you want to change bits of it
[07:24] <fdoving> Hobbsee: how do you filter? - procmail?
[07:24] <Hobbsee> fdoving: nope
[07:24] <fdoving> maildrop?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i've got a sieve script for part of it, and the rest of it just filters via email addresses, like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:25] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: everything ends up there anyway :P
[07:25] <Hobbsee> or otehr folder names
[07:25] <fdoving> Hobbsee: ok :)
[07:25] <Hobbsee> fdoving: it's a GUI point and click for the most part, all server side, which is good
[07:25] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: can't we have a choice on the screen where the user puts in the username ?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> filters the apport mail, duplicates, etc.
[07:26] <fdoving> Hobbsee: yep. i do similar things with procmail serverside.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> i dont have access to procmail where the email's done
[07:26] <Hobbsee> as i dont actually have a server box here, etc.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> fdoving: procmail scares me, anyway.
[07:29] <nixternal> kdepim is a mess
[07:29] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:31] <nixternal> a ton of old reports that never received attention...1 to 2 years old..umm can you say "CLOSED"
[07:31] <nixternal> with a little note that says "if it is still a problem, please reopen this report"
[07:31] <DaSkreech> WONTFIX
[07:31] <Hobbsee> if they dont still exist
[07:31] <Hobbsee> pretty much
[07:31] <nixternal> ya
[07:31] <Hobbsee> i think you could get away with doing that, actually
[07:31] <nixternal> what sucks, is a lot of the bugs won't be fixed now that the kde 3.5.x freeze is on
[07:32] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:32] <fdoving> another good reason to close a bunch.
[07:56] <rouzic> Hi everybody
[07:56] <Hobbsee> hiya
[07:56] <Hobbsee> !away | rouzic
[07:56] <ubotu> rouzic: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[07:56] <Hobbsee> ditto #kubuntu
[07:56] <rouzic> Hobbsee: ?
[07:57] <Hobbsee> rouzic: away messages suck, as do changing your nick.
[07:58] <rouzic> Hobbsee: oh, thanks, sorry
[07:58] <rouzic> now?
[08:00] <LongPointyStick> [03:59]  <Hobbsee> yay
[08:00] <LongPointyStick> [03:59]  <Hobbsee> rouzic: you can also use /away i'm away for this reason, so only anyone who tries to query you will get that.
[08:00] <LongPointyStick> [04:00]  <Hobbsee> rouzic: which is what most people use, instead of nickspamming.
[08:00] <LongPointyStick> [04:00]  <Hobbsee> !nickspam
[08:01] <LongPointyStick> !nickspam
[08:01] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[08:01] <LongPointyStick> client died.  yay, client.
[08:02] <rouzic> It was the Konversation that was adding the away messages automatically
[08:03] <LongPointyStick> it doesnt unless you set it to
[08:03] <LongPointyStick> i know this, as sho_ hates it too
[09:18] <linnuxxy> hi
[09:20] <linnuxxy> I'm building an Arabic Edition of Kubuntu... the starting page of the LiveCD is rendering the arabic text incorrectly... I think it is gfxboot problem... how can I debug gfxboot using qemu?
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> hello. kvm won't work for me, whereas kqemu and qemu do.
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> I have an AMD turion x2 with virtualization extensions.
[10:43] <nixternal> it's funny, when you reject a bug you get a response, however if you ask for information a few months back, nothing...
[10:45] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Like clarification
[10:48] <nixternal> yup
[10:50] <paran> nosrednaekim: try asking on #kvm
[10:50] <nosrednaekim> paran: ok. thanks.
[11:37] <manchicken> Is there a better kpart for svn in konq?
[11:37] <manchicken> The kdesvn kpart seems to be limited.
[11:38] <DaSkreech> To?
[11:39] <manchicken> I'd like to be able to fish:// into a path in konq, and be able to act on files there in subversion.
[11:39] <manchicken> Set properties, etc.
[11:39] <DaSkreech> You can't?
[11:39] <DaSkreech> fish:// then go to svn view ?
[11:39] <manchicken> Not with kdesvn evidently.
[11:39] <manchicken> I'm trying to use another one.
[11:39] <DaSkreech> k
[11:40] <RadiantFire> there is the one kdesdk
[11:40] <RadiantFire> its different, not necessarily better
[11:41] <manchicken> Both of them seem to... suck.
[11:41] <govert> hello
[11:41] <Riddell> mhb: poke poke, weekly report due
[11:42] <govert> i have a weird thing giong on with kubuntu, and my dial-up modem: knoqueror cannot connect to the internet, but lyunx can
[11:42] <govert> that's lynx
[11:42] <govert> and I can irc, and apt-get
[11:42] <Riddell> govert: quit knetworkmanager
[11:43] <Riddell> we really need to make that more sane for gutsy
[11:43] <mhb> Riddell: at 23:43? :o)
[11:43] <Riddell> mhb: any time on Friday :)
[11:44] <govert> thank you sir. that worked. and the reason?
[11:44] <Riddell> govert: knetworkmanager reports it isn't connected to the internet so various parts of KDE don't bother trying to connect
[11:45] <Riddell> that's useful on the whole, but if you don't use knetworkmanager it's very wrong
[11:45] <mhb> Riddell: would you be so kind and give me time until saturday morning so I can commit what I've done?
[11:45] <govert> ahh. and knetowrkmanager does not recognize dial-ups
[11:45] <Riddell> mhb: sure, that's fine
[11:45] <mhb> Riddell: thanks
[11:46] <Riddell> govert: yeah.  or static IPs or various other setups.
[11:47] <govert> thankyou Johathan, i presume.
[11:49] <Riddell> Jonathan, random h's are evil
[11:49] <manchicken> Damnit, quanta crashed.
[11:50] <govert> very evil. thanks anyway :-)
[11:51] <nixternal> heh, working on kdepim bugs, well now I have a kdepim issue :)
[11:58] <manchicken> Nice.  Quanta+ when you preview it in firefox, the preview script gives you an error.


[00:00] <diogo> Chipaca Ubuntu One change some attribute of a file ? I'm using rsync to keep updated my folder and backups and without any alteration, rsync change some files.
[00:01] <Chipaca> diogo: it shouldn't; what changes are you seeing?
[00:02] <diogo> Chipaca I'm using rsync -a
[00:02] <diogo> maybe is last updated time or some thing like that
[00:02] <Chipaca> no, we don't handle file attributes at all
[00:03] <diogo> I will see if rsync can tell me what is wrong
[00:03] <Chipaca> the only thing we do is chmod things in readonly shares
[00:03] <Chipaca> diogo: what version is your client?
[00:04] <diogo> 0.91.1+r134-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty
[00:07] <Chipaca> that's ok
[00:07] <diogo> Chipaca, using rsync -aiv i received in front of file ">f..t......"
[00:08] <Chipaca> what does that mean?
[00:08] <diogo> I even touched that file
[00:08] <Chipaca> diogo: or maybe better: what does diff -urN say?
[00:09] <diogo> Chipaca I will see in log which are the last modified file
[00:09] <diogo> and then do that diff
[00:10] <Chipaca> ok
[00:10] <diogo> Chipaca Strange, aparently that only happends with binary files
[00:13] <diogo> Chipaca I tried with some files and receive nothing. Some files that rsync resynched was swf
[00:14] <Chipaca> strange, indeed
[00:14] <diogo> Chipaca Binary files a b differ
[00:17] <diogo> Chipaca forget that, that a file doesn't exists
[00:17] <diogo> Chipaca However swf files rsync continues resynching
[00:20] <Chipaca> that is very strange
[00:21] <diogo> Chipaca Now I got one, 'diff -urN "Ubuntu One/My Files/Projetos/kerov/media/games/formula-racing-xgz.swf" "Projetos/kerov/media/games/formula-racing-xgz.swf"' returns nothing however rsync resynched that
[00:21] <Chipaca> hmmm
[00:23] <Chipaca> diogo: tail -f ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[00:23] <Chipaca> diogo: tell me what you see
[00:26] <diogo> Chipaca I did a tail with grep swf http://paste.ubuntu.com/252210/
[00:27] <Chipaca> diogo: nothing out of the ordinary there
[00:27] <Chipaca> diogo: which direction are you rsync'ing in?
[00:28] <diogo> From "Projetos/kerov/media/games/formula-racing-xgz.swf" to "Ubuntu One/My Files/Projetos/kerov/media/games/formula-racing-xgz.swf"
[00:28] <diogo> It's just rsync -av $HOME/Projetos "$HOME/Ubuntu One/My Files"
[00:31] <Chipaca> diogo: what happens if you do rsync -avc instead of just -av?
[00:32] <diogo> Chipaca: For now, nothing.
[00:32] <diogo> I will wait some time until more files are processed
[00:33] <Chipaca> diogo: ok
[00:33] <Chipaca> diogo: also, if after a whiles -avc shows no difference, stop syncdaemon ("quit" from the applet will do, as long as you're not using nautilus to browse the u1 folders), do the rsync -av; if that shows a difference, please file a bug
[00:33] <Chipaca> we shouldn't be touching files all the time, if that is what we're doing
[00:36] <Chipaca> diogo: (don't forget to apport-collect the logs onto the bug)
[00:36] <diogo> Chipaca ok, thank you
[00:37] <Chipaca> diogo: no, thank you!
[01:23] <lbsjack> hi,who is familiar with ubuntuone?
[01:24] <lbsjack> Is the folder "Shared with Me"  which stores the files from others?
[01:26] <dobey> yes
[01:26] <dobey> stuff people share with you :)
[01:29] <lbsjack> dobey:thank you.
[01:30] <lbsjack> dobey:I want to test the share function.but I only have one account.can you help me?
[01:31] <lbsjack> dobey:I share my file ,but it says some does not accepted the share.why?
[01:32] <dobey> lbsjack: the person you share to has to accept the share
[01:33] <lbsjack> Is the person should have ubuntuone account?
[01:34] <dobey> yes, they need to have an account to access the share, but the e-mail will have a link that lets them sign up
[01:35] <lbsjack> dobey:can I share a file with you?
[01:35] <lbsjack> just for test.
[01:35] <dobey> if you want to i guess
[01:35] <lbsjack> or you share a file with me?
[01:36] <lbsjack> so could you give me your email?
[01:36] <lbsjack> Many thanks in advance.
[01:37] <dobey> you can just share to dobey and it should work
[01:38] <lbsjack> ok,I share the file testfile.txt with you.can u see it ?
[01:41] <dobey> you can only share folders, not individual files
[01:43] <lbsjack> hehe
[01:45] <dobey> so you probably shared all your files with me
[01:46] <lbsjack> I'll try it.
[01:50] <dobey> any files you want to share, you should put in a sub-folder
[02:04] <lbsjack> dobey,I see.
[02:33] <lbsjack> dobey:are you online?
[02:42] <lbsjack> hi
[02:42] <lbsjack> I can not share folders between two accounts,why?
[02:56] <Chipaca> lbsjack: hi
[02:56] <Chipaca> lbsjack: why can't you?
[02:56] <lbsjack> Chipaca:hi
[02:57] <lbsjack> I created two ubuntuone account and test the folder share function,but it doest work.
[02:57] <Chipaca> lbsjack: how did you test?
[02:58] <lbsjack> Chipaca:I share one subfolder from one account,and it says someone doesnt accepted the share.
[02:58] <Chipaca> lbsjack: did you get the email, and accept the share?
[03:01] <lbsjack> Yes,I input the friend's email and share the folder.
[03:02] <lbsjack> and I check the shared folder,it tells<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has not accepted the share you sent 32 min ago.
[03:02] <lbsjack> and the stop sharing button.
[03:02] <lbsjack> why?
[03:03] <Chipaca> lbsjack: ell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>needs to check its mail and click the "yes, I want to get the stuff"
[03:04] <Chipaca> *well
[03:05] <lbsjack> I check the mailbox of mine,the email was returned and cannot sent out.
[03:05] <lbsjack> is there a problem with my mailbox?
[03:06] <lbsjack> my mailbox is : mail.qq.com
[03:06] <Chipaca> lbsjack: I don't know
[03:06] <Chipaca> lbsjack: try sharing from the webpage?
[03:06] <lbsjack> I did it ,but the same as in ubuntuone-client.
[03:07] <Chipaca> lbsjack: what does the email return say?
[03:07] <lbsjack> Sorry,I delete it.
[03:08] <lbsjack> Chipaca:but I can try it again.
[03:08] <Chipaca> lbsjack: ok
[03:08] <lbsjack> Chipaca:If I share the folder ok.what can we see in friends interface?
[03:09] <Chipaca> lbsjack: what name did you give the share?
[03:09] <lbsjack> sub dir's name
[03:09] <Chipaca> let's say you called it "subdir"
[03:09] <lbsjack> such as mydir,and the share name is mydir.
[03:09] <Chipaca> so you friend would see
[03:10] <Chipaca> ~/Ubuntu One/Shared With Me/subdir from Your Name
[03:10] <lbsjack> in shared with me folder?
[03:10] <Chipaca> ^ that folder
[03:10] <lbsjack> hehe.
[03:10] <Chipaca> suddenly appear
[03:10] <Chipaca> and gradually sync
[03:11] <lbsjack> Yes,I hope to see it,but it doesnt appear.
[03:11] <Chipaca> they first have to accept the share
[03:11] <lbsjack> Chipaca:Would mind sharing a folder with me?
[03:11] <Chipaca> not at all
[03:12] <Chipaca> I'll probably unshare it afterwards
[03:12] <lbsjack> ok
[03:12] <lbsjack> my name is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:12] <lbsjack> I just test it.
[03:15] <Chipaca> ok
[03:15] <Chipaca> give me a while
[03:15] <Chipaca> ive got to upload something first
[03:16] <lbsjack> Chipaca:Are u a developer of ubuntuone?
[03:16] <Chipaca> lbsjack: yes
[03:16] <lbsjack> Chipaca:It's my honor to meet you.
[03:17] <Chipaca> heh
[03:17] <Chipaca> we all hang out in here
[03:17] <lbsjack> I have an advice
[03:17] <lbsjack> if the folder has been shared ,How can I know it?
[03:18] <lbsjack> I suggest the folder icon can display the change.
[03:18] <Chipaca> lbsjack: in nautilus, it should get a distinctive icon
[03:18] <Chipaca> emblem
[03:19] <lbsjack> really?
[03:19] <Chipaca> yes
[03:19] <lbsjack> Chipaca:can the ubuntu-client-gnome and the web run in the same time.
[03:20] <Chipaca> lbsjack: or you can do u1sdtool --list-shared
[03:20] <Chipaca> lbsjack: but that's not as user-friendly
[03:20] <Chipaca> lbsjack: yes, you can use both the gnome client and the web client at the same time
[03:20] <lbsjack> thank you,but Now,in my web interface I can see the shared folder.
[03:21] <Chipaca> lbsjack: right now notifications aren't hooked up, so you won't "see" changes until it refreshes
[03:21] <lbsjack> so How can I see the changs in local folder.
[03:21] <lbsjack> refresh?
[03:22] <Chipaca> lbsjack: sorry, I wasn't able to follow
[03:22] <lbsjack> or disconnt and reconnect?
[03:22] <Chipaca> ah, how can you see the shared folder locally?
[03:22] <Chipaca> disconnect/reconnect works. I think the client that's out _right_ now has a bug wrt share notifications, too
[03:23] <lbsjack> Chipaca:I use another account to share a folder to me.
[03:23] <Chipaca> so it'll only pick them up on startup
[03:23] <lbsjack> Ok,I see.
[03:24] <Chipaca> lbsjack: otherwise you would've gotten the share automagically
[03:24] <Chipaca> lbsjack: and failing that, u1sdtool --refresh-shares
[03:24] <lbsjack> Chipaca:I disconnt and reconect,and it work.
[03:24] <lbsjack> Now,the shared folder in my local dir.
[03:25] <Chipaca> lbsjack: you should have an email with my share offer, too
[03:27] <lbsjack> Chipaca:I have received your email.
[03:28] <lbsjack> but I have tested it successfully,so I will not to test your share.thank u very much.
[03:28] <Chipaca> ok
[03:28] <lbsjack> Chipaca:In my local folder in nautilus.the shared folder's icon is not changed.
[03:29] <Chipaca> the icon should remain the same, but it should have a "shared" emblem
[03:30] <Chipaca> orange, IIRC
[03:31] <lbsjack> Chipaca:I'll check it.
[03:32] <Chipaca> lbsjack: *maybe* you need to restart the syncdaemon there too
[03:32] <Chipaca> in which case, let me know
[03:32] <lbsjack> Chipaca:I quit the ubuntuone applet and then run it again.
[03:33] <Chipaca> lbsjack: on the computer from which you shared the folder?
[03:36] <lbsjack> Chipaca:no,I have two clients,client1 and client2,I shared the client2's folder to client1.
[03:37] <lbsjack> Now I in client2's web interface.
[03:38] <lbsjack> the icon of client2's shared folder is the same with the folder that didnot share.
[03:39] <Chipaca> rats :(
[03:39] <lbsjack> Chipaca:I changed the user account,but the ubuntuone-client-gnome is still use the original user acount.
[03:40] <lbsjack> How can I change the user account in ubuntuone-client-gnome.
[03:42] <lbsjack> Chipaca:If I did not express myself I'll say sorry to you.Maybe I send you some screenshots.
[03:42] <lbsjack> I have a MSN account.
[03:43] <Chipaca> I'm not following at all. This is probably due to me being very sleepy. My apologies.
[03:44] <lbsjack> Chipaca:You are very kind.
[03:45] <lbsjack> I'll try it myself.thank you again.
[05:48] <midkniht> anyone getting a error after the newest apt update?
[10:08] <sladen> been thinking all these "spinning and not doing anything" threads
[10:08] <sladen> how about changing the tooltip from "Working." to  "$last action that caused that state"
[10:09] <sladen> eg.   "Working: just started copying 'my/foobar.txt'"
[10:09] <sladen> this would give some backtrace about how the applet was instructed to be in that state
[10:24] <sladen> the second thing would be to have a watchdog add '(no responses for X seconds/minutes)'
[13:11] <jblount> Hello everyone!
[14:13] <statik> thisfred, couchdb and mozjs, whats the story there? Is the new snapshot built against mozjs or against xulrunner-1.9.1 ?
[14:13] <thisfred> statik: I am not sure, and james is off to breakfast, but the wrong one in any case
[14:14] <thisfred> statik: 0.9.0-2ubuntu-5 works on current karmic, so that must do it right
[14:14] <statik> yay, thats the one i touched last
[14:14] <thisfred> hehe
[14:14] <statik> but asac is the one who fixed it
[14:15] <statik> thisfred, i'm grabbing the sourcepackage out of our ppa now
[14:15] <thisfred> james said something about asac (understandably) not wanting to ship two libmozjses
[14:15] <thisfred> statik: ^ but if 0.9 can be made to work, so can the snapshot I'm sure
[14:15] <statik> thisfred, it's built against mozjs instead of xulrunner-1.9.1 so I think thats the problem
[14:16] <statik> this is basically the only diff we have left between debians version
[14:16] <thisfred> ok, I don't know my mozjs from my elbow...
[14:16] <thisfred> yet
[14:16] <statik> i'll see if i can fix it now
[14:16] <statik> and have you review it
[14:17] <thisfred> that would be great, seeing as how james is busy sprinting
[14:18] <thisfred> statik: should I reassign the bug to you?
[14:18] <statik> thisfred, hit me
[14:18] <thisfred> done! you rock!
[14:28] <statik> hola rodrigo_, hows tomboy going?
[14:31] <dobey> oi
[14:35] <statik> hey dobey
[14:35] <statik> there are 4 approved branches in the ubuntuone-client queue, feel like running some tarmac-lander?
[14:36] <statik> before rmcbride does the builds in a bit
[14:44] <dobey> sure, i was just about to look at the queue
[14:48] <rodrigo_> statik: syncing now, although still a few details missing, which I'm working on right now
[14:48] <rodrigo_> statik: but the 1st sync works great
[14:48] <statik> rodrigo_, that is great! is the version in ubuntu syncing, or a local build with your patch?
[14:49] <statik> rodrigo_, did pitti upload evolution-couchdb for you yet? I saw a comment in REVU that he was going to
[14:49] <rodrigo_> statik: the server part is now in trunk, and I uploaded a tomboy package with the patch we used in dublin to our beta ppa
[14:49] <statik> but it was an old comment
[14:49] <rodrigo_> statik: no, still waiting for my last evo-couchdb submission to be accepted
[14:50] <statik> rodrigo_, can you call pitti or seb and ask them about it? i hate to lose a few days lost in the shuffle - we really need that package in main, it's a key part of the contacts syncing story
[14:50] <rodrigo_> ok
[14:56] <statik> thisfred, jamesh: so i've rebuilt the couchdb snapshot against xulrunner-1.9.1 and still get the same error. i'm looking through the debug log now
[14:56] <thisfred> hmm
[14:57] <thisfred> weird that 0.9 works though. Does trunk require something newer than 0.9 does?
[14:58] <thisfred> maybe I should ask that question in #couchdb :)
[14:58] <statik> I wonder if there is a way we can run the couchjs command directly to see the error
[14:59] <rodrigo_> statik: ok, riddell is uploading the package now
[14:59] <statik> rodrigo_, that was amazingly fast
[15:00] <jblount> MEETING BEGINS
[15:00] <statik> i should email riddell a beer
[15:00] <jblount> Hello Desktop+ people, say "me" to get in line for our daily standup. Format is DONE / TODO / BLOCKED
[15:00] <statik> me
[15:00] <rodrigo_> me
[15:00] <jblount> me
[15:00] <teknico> me
[15:00] <teknico> jblount, you first ;-)
[15:00] <rodrigo_> statik: I should have poked them before, I guess :)
[15:01] <dobey> meh
[15:01] <jblount> urbanape, vds ?
[15:01] <CardinalFang> me
[15:01] <urbanape> me1
[15:01] <vds> me
[15:02] <jblount> statik: Go time :)
[15:03] <statik> DONE: telephone, some bugfixes TODO: karmic blocker bugs, for always and ever. today is couchdb day BLOCKED: nope
[15:03] <statik> rodrigo_, your turn
[15:03] <rodrigo_> • DONE: Discussed with arusha about web notes UI. Packaged new json-glib 0.7.6 in beta PPA. Tomboy syncing fixes. Evo-couchdb fixes. Had evo-couchdb finally uploaded
[15:03] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Add more tests in couchdb-glib test suite. More openSUSE packaging. Change tomboy syncing prefs interface to show many servers. Add social services accounts config to about-me. Talk to Ara about writing mago tests for evo-couchdb. File bugs for missing evo-couchdb fields and summary of the fields it uses
[15:03] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: none
[15:03] <rodrigo_> jblount: go
[15:03] <jblount> DONE: FACE DUTY, too many calls in the morning
[15:03] <jblount> TODO: Finish up interface tweaks for colors and sizes on files ui (never to be named "new" again), start working on popup overlay modal dialog things.
[15:03] <jblount> BLOCKED: Having some trouble with couchdb loop ('make start' produces: Desktop CouchDB is not running; starting it. Apache CouchDB has started, time to relax. Desktop CouchDB is not running; starting it. Apache CouchDB has started, time to relax....)
[15:03] <jblount> teknico: rocknroll
[15:03] <teknico> DONE: more reviews, completed the branch to remove relative imports, dist-upgraded to karmic
[15:03] <teknico> TODO: landing the branch to remove relative imports, more work on disabling free phone sync after 30 days
[15:03] <teknico> BLOCKED: none
[15:03] <teknico> next: dobey
[15:03] <dobey> ☭ DONE: Finished #386443, Fixed #362469, #396719, Fixed small issue in new package
[15:03] <dobey> ☭ TODO: Upload/Download status handling, OAuth 1.0a
[15:03] <dobey> urbanape: your roll
[15:03] <urbanape> DONE: Landed filename truncation, done in Javascript rather than CSS.
[15:03] <urbanape> TODO: Fix more bugs, make files UI (don't have to say 'new' anymore) better.
[15:03] <urbanape> BLOCK: Nada
[15:03] <urbanape> CardinalFang: sink your teeth into it.
[15:03] <dobey> ☭ BLCK: None.
[15:04] <CardinalFang> DONE: desktopcouch starting/testing tests and patches.  Python patch submitted.
[15:04] <CardinalFang> TODO: Gwibber accounts and icon caching.  Ya rly, today.  Daydream about vacation.  More d-c test with thisfred.
[15:04] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None
[15:04] <CardinalFang> vds, hey, go!
[15:04] <vds> DONE: helped with various branches, fixed and landed branch to change the name of config files, closed bug related to db in production
[15:04] <vds> TODO: tomorrow I'm out
[15:04] <vds> BLOCKED: no
[15:04] <vds> anyone else?
[15:05] <vds> I guess not
[15:05] <jblount> MEETING ENDS
[15:06] <statik> you guys rock
[15:06] <statik> rodrigo_, so if i install the version from our ppa, tomboy can sync?
[15:06] <rodrigo_> statik: with trunk, yes, I posted a video to the 'desktop from vds' share at u1.com
[15:07] <statik> rodrigo_, I see the version in karmic is 0.15.5-0ubuntu1, but in the ppa is 0.15.4-0ubuntu2. do you know when the next tomboy upload into karmic will happen?
[15:08] <rodrigo_> no, I was planning to submit the patch soon
[15:08] <rodrigo_> or should I submit it now?
[15:09] <rodrigo_> hmm, in fact, 0.15.5 has been submitted very recently, since yesterday I did the 0.15.4 package from the version in karmic
[15:10] <jblount> rodrigo_: That video is fantastic! Way to go :)
[15:11] <rodrigo_> statik: I guess I'll just go ahead and submit the patch, to avoid people losing it when upgrading newest versions from karmic, ok?
[15:11] <rodrigo_> jblount: glad you like it :)
[15:11] <rodrigo_> jblount: there is a 500 error from the server, but don't look at the terminal and everything is fine :D
[15:12] <statik> rodrigo_, sounds great! jdobrien mentioned that the redirect problem during oauth exchange is something we are doing on the server side that was a bit weird for the file sharing system - i hope we can remove that for the tomboy oauth
[15:12] <jblount> rodrigo_: Working is a form of onde :)
[15:12] <rodrigo_> statik: ah, ok
[15:12] <statik> rodrigo_, and you are doing an ubuntu patch for defaulting to ubuntuone.com, yes?
[15:12] <rodrigo_> statik: I'm just moving the couchdb->tomboy notes code to its own function and calling that from the GET and PUT responses
[15:13] <rodrigo_> statik: yes, although that is going a bit slower, but yeah, should have something by begining of next week
[15:15] <CardinalFang> thisfred, my same branch, is this any better?
[15:16] <jblount> statik: Reguarding 'public links' it's too bad that the public links link to a version that will cost bandwidth, when the user has the file locally at ~/Ubuntu One/Shared With Me/*
[15:17] <thisfred> CardinalFang: will try after contacts skype up
[15:17] <statik> jblount, we need to figure out more about bittorrent and cloudfront to help with that
[15:19] <dobey> jblount: how do you know the user has it there?
[15:19] <dobey> jblount: those aren't public links then :)
[15:20] <thisfred> statik: couchdb works in karmic for vds
[15:20] <jblount> dobey: Yeah, public links in the way we are implementing in the short term, but you are totally right.
[15:20] <thisfred> vds: he symlinked xulrunner manually
[15:20] <dobey> jblount, statik: we could create a custom uri that checked if the user had it locally, and hit the web if not
[15:20] <jblount> dobey: Yeah, cause apt links have worked sooo well for us :)
[15:21] <statik> lalala i can't hear anyone talking about custom uris
[15:21] <statik> ;)
[15:22] <dobey> jblount: this wouldn't be from within firefox though
[15:22] <dobey> ie, the user would probably click the link in pidgin/xchat/something
[15:25] <thisfred> statik: vds: this is my xulrunner situation: http://pastebin.com/d36c15bb3
[15:26] <thisfred> vds: can you paste your output?
[15:27] <statik> thisfred, so when i run couchjs inside the pbuilder chroot after building it, ["reset"] prints true, as expected. when I run the same thing on my locally installed version, it doesn't print anything. the basic tests in futon still fail the same way even in the version i'm running in the chroot though
[15:29] <vds> thisfred: statik http://pastebin.com/m7d83fdfc
[15:31] <thisfred> ok, statik vds has a 100% working couch
[15:31] <statik> i wish there was a way to see more than 'exit code 2' from the failed subprocess
[15:31] <statik> oh?
[15:31] <statik> vds, if you look in /usr/bin/couchdb, what is LD_LIBRARY_PATH being set to?
[15:32] <thisfred> statik: nm, he's on 0.9
[15:32] <statik> ah
[15:32] <thisfred> an earlier pinning
[15:32] <jamesh> statik: looking in /proc/$pid/environ might help
[15:33] <statik> jamesh, ooh, good idea. so start couchdb, then try to find it's couchjs subprocess, and check out what environ it has
[15:33] <statik> i'll try that
[15:35] <statik> thisfred, jamesh: btw this is the environment i have for testing couchdb packages, that noah helped me set up: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/252547/  I then grab the source package, and build it with pbuilder-karmic build <blah>.dsc, and then in the shell I get run 'make dev;./utils/run' to get that version of couch running
[15:36] <thisfred> statik: thanks, I'll set it up too
[15:38] <statik> thisfred, pbuilder-dist comes from ubuntu-dev-scripts package, and you have to do a 'pbuilder-karmic create' once to set up the env
[15:39] <thisfred> ack
[15:41] <thisfred> statik: another weird thing: the system couchdb on 5984 gives different errors. It won't let me access it through the browser at all
[15:43] <statik> thisfred, odd - i don't have that problem
[15:43] <thisfred> statik: mark also has it
[15:46] <statik> thisfred, i found something interesting
[15:46] <statik> the couchjs process that is being spawned is /usr/lib/couchdb/bin/couchjs
[15:46] <statik> which is the raw binary
[15:46] <statik> and not the wrapper script at /usr/bin/couchjs, which sets the LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[15:49] <statik> at least thats what i see from ps aux. it looks like [query_servers] in default.ini is correctly pointing to /usr/bin/couchjs though
[15:51] <thisfred> statik: ah, maybe our .ini creation scripts mess things up?
[15:54] <statik> thisfred, i'm seeing failures in a totally isolated environment away from our code though
[15:54] <dobey> Chipaca: what's the bug # for the "need to time out START_WORKING_etc... stuff"?
[15:55] <Chipaca> dobey: it's linked from the branch... give me a sec
[15:55] <Chipaca> dobey: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/386314
[15:55] <Chipaca> ubottu: dude, you must live *inside* launchpad
[16:14]  * jblount is really glad his phone can stream last.fm for days when pulse is cranky
[16:15] <dobey> brb
[16:19] <statik> thisfred, so my brain is slowly catching up with this couchdb problem
[16:19] <statik> if you run "couchjs /usr/share/couchdb/server/main.js", and then enter ["reset"], what do you get?
[16:19] <statik> i get nothing back, which I think is what is causing couchdb to time out waiting for a response
[16:19] <thisfred> statik: me either
[16:22] <statik> it's like the loop that reads a line of input isn't returning
[16:26] <statik> thisfred, the version i rebuilt locally against xulrunner-1.9.1 is working now that I've installed
[16:27] <thisfred> installed.... *looooong drum roll*
[16:27] <statik> installed the locally built version from my pbuilder
[16:27] <thisfred> cool
[16:27] <statik> the only change I made was to change it to xulrunner-1.9.1
[16:28] <statik> i'm wondering whether I should try to confirm for sure that was the problem
[16:28] <thisfred> can I help in confirming that?
[16:30] <statik> thisfred, it's confirmed! super weird. I edit /usr/bin/couchjs to call xulrunner-1.9.1 instead of xulrunner-1.9 to get the path
[16:30] <statik> and then it works properly, printing back "true"
[16:30] <statik> i'll upload to the PPA
[16:31] <thisfred> rawkness
[16:35] <thisfred> statik: so I think it's because of all the weird symlinks going back and forth:
[16:35] <thisfred> eric@thelog:~$ xulrunner -v
[16:35] <thisfred> Mozilla XULRunner <IP_ADDRESS> -<PHONE_NUMBER>
[16:35] <thisfred> eric@thelog:~$ xulrunner-1.9 -v
[16:35] <thisfred> Mozilla XULRunner <IP_ADDRESS> -<PHONE_NUMBER>
[16:35] <thisfred> eric@thelog:~$ xulrunner-1.9.1 -v
[16:35] <thisfred> Mozilla XULRunner <IP_ADDRESS> -<PHONE_NUMBER>3528
[16:36] <statik> i wonder whether the old couchdb in karmic right now is broken too
[16:36] <thisfred> statik: the 0.9.0-2ubuntu5 works just fine in karmic
[16:36] <thisfred> double confirmed
[16:37] <statik> thisfred, trunk did have that patch to compile with the new xulrunner
[16:37] <statik> so maybe thats at the core
[16:37] <thisfred> might well be
[16:37] <statik> ok, couchdb_0.10.0~svn802936-0jh4 is uploaded to -hackers. note the trailing jh4 instead of jh3
[16:37] <jblount> thisfred: For reference, I edited the utilities/start-desktopcouch file so that I could get some work done. I'm operating under the hope that someone else will run into the problem that I had.
[16:37] <statik> now I must search for foo
[16:37] <statik> d
[16:38] <thisfred> jblount: chad is working furiously on desktopcouch
[16:38] <thisfred> jblount: and I should be helping him debug, but for that I have to downgrade again
[16:39] <thisfred> statik: thanks! bon appetit!
[16:39] <thisfred> jblount: so, s/downgrade/upgrade/ ! :)
[16:40] <jblount> "Static IV: The search for food"
[16:40] <thisfred> I  like "the search for foo" as well :)
[16:40] <thisfred> very zen
[16:43] <thisfred> I find putting "very zen" after everything you say makes you seem more intelligent. And very zen.
[16:45] <thisfred> hmm, now I wonder if I have -hackers, because I'm not seeing the upgrade
[16:48] <jamesh> maybe it is possible that rebuilding karmic's couchdb would cause it to stop working
[16:58] <thisfred> CardinalFang: improvement! http://pastebin.com/d602e52af -- couch seems to be started 3 times, but only one (with two processes) is left running at the end
[16:59] <thisfred> CardinalFang: still a weird twisted error. Replacing twisted testcases with testtools testcases solved that for me
[16:59] <CardinalFang> Hrm.
[17:07] <CardinalFang> thisfred, pushed changes to test cases.  I'll propose this for merging now.
[17:08] <thisfred> CardinalFang: cool, I bet I can do a pretty quick review ;)
[17:09] <thisfred> CardinalFang: did you really push those changes, or are you going to? I saw no change after repullinh
[17:09] <thisfred> s/h/g/
[17:11] <CardinalFang> thisfred, yes, revno 44
[17:12] <CardinalFang> This is hopefully the last desktopcouch patch for a while.
[17:12] <CardinalFang> Once oauth is worked out with couchdb, then I'm back on it.
[17:13] <thisfred> CardinalFang: maybe launchpad lag, got it now, tests pass, preapproved!
[17:20] <jblount> pfibiger: "Archers of Loaf" is one of the bands I should like, yeah?
[17:21] <urbanape> I prefer Pinchers of Loaf
[17:21] <urbanape> a cover band
[17:21] <CardinalFang> When my commit summary is 6 condensed lines long, perhaps I am putting too much in one branch.
[17:21] <urbanape> heh
[17:22] <CardinalFang> Uncondensed, seven paragraphs.
[17:23] <CardinalFang> Reviews, anyone?  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller/desktopcouch/getport-at-call-time/+merge/10105
[17:24] <pfibiger> jblount: probably yeah. it's pretty angular, fractured stuff
[17:26] <jblount> pfibiger: last.fm keeps playing them today, but I couldn't remember if they were on my list.
[17:26] <jblount> Reasonably enjoyable, will listen more when I have working sound on my laptop.
[17:27] <thisfred> jblount: I'm curious whether CardinalFang's branch fixes your perpetual motion couchdb poblems
[17:28] <CardinalFang> (if it doesn't, don't tell me about it!)
[17:29] <jblount> thisfred: I will certainly test it, let me push this branch first.
[17:29] <thisfred> I like arch support loafers
[17:31] <dobey> oi, lots of rain
[17:32]  * thisfred finds 25 Archers of Loaf songs in his library, and has them analyzed so they will join the autoqueue
[17:33] <pfibiger> jblount,
[17:33] <thisfred> Web in Front is in the pitchfork 500, so you know it's approved
[17:33] <urbanape> jblount: that truncating bug is very grrrr-ful. Also, text-overflow only truncates at the end.
[17:33] <pfibiger> ack. i think they probably just show up if you have chosen pavement, yo la tengo, that sort of stuff.
[17:33] <urbanape> We might be able to do some sort of black magic hackery to make that work dynamically.
[17:33] <jblount> urbanape: I'm all over it, just had to tighten up to 18 character truncating, with less on either side.
[17:34] <urbanape> k
[17:34] <jblount> The real problem is character counting vs actual width displayed. Making it weirdly short is more than ok for right now.
[17:35] <dobey> must be monsoon season
[17:35] <jblount> urbanape: Have you pointed your massive brain at the "I click the expander arrow and it opens the folder also" bug?
[17:35] <urbanape> I have not, but will.
[17:36]  * jblount loves working with people that are much smarter than he is
[17:39] <urbanape> oh, stop. If my head gets any bigger, I won't be able to leave my office.
[17:42] <thisfred> jblount: pfibiger: I have become quite fond of Immaculate Machine and El Olio Wolof, of late. Both have excellent Sessions up at daytrotter.com (still one of my top sources of new music)
[17:43] <CardinalFang> jblount, that's some advice of a book statik recommended.
[17:43] <CardinalFang> ( == "seek out environments where people are smarter.")
[17:45] <urbanape> we tried to have a rule like that at Socialtext. "Only hire people smarter than you."
[18:02] <statik> CardinalFang, i'm reviewing your call-time branch now
[18:03]  * CardinalFang double-takes at "self.append(...)" in gwibber source code.
[18:06] <statik> CardinalFang, so we don't need a TwistedTestCase at all? how interesting
[18:08] <CardinalFang> statik, Yeah.  I don't really understand it.  The tests fail because the twisted.internet.Reactor is "unclean", which (AFAICT) means there are Deferreds still being tracked when we tell the reactor it's okay to go away.
[18:09] <CardinalFang> (I just realized that in the last few days.  It was a mystery for too long.)
[18:10] <statik> CardinalFang, these all look like great improvements. do we need to do anything special to get the new file picked up in the source tarball when we do a release?
[18:11]  * CardinalFang boggles and looks.
[18:15] <CardinalFang> statik, no, nothing new in that branch.
[18:15] <statik> cool
[18:15] <statik> landed
[18:15] <CardinalFang> statik, Assuming there's no hard-coded debian/rules file somewhere, then it should work the same way.
[18:20] <statik> CardinalFang, great! setup.py sdist builds the tarball for release, then we package that
[18:21] <statik> CardinalFang, thisfred: are there other critical bugfixes pending for desktopcouch? I'm wondering if this last branch fixes enough issues that maybe we should go ahead and do a new release
[18:22] <thisfred> statik:  nothing pending that I know of
[18:22] <CardinalFang> statik, release it!
[18:25] <dobey> statik: aquarius had a branch that i needs-fixinged and you then rejected
[18:25] <dobey> and he's off in amsterdam or whatever
[18:26] <statik> thisfred, you were going to pick up that branch and work on it I think, did anything come out of it?
[18:26] <statik> there were some good docs in it I think
[18:26] <statik> i didn't even read the code because i'm a manager
[18:26] <statik> ;)
[18:27] <dobey> i think you rejected because tests failed or something
[18:28] <dobey> but i remember it needed to add contrib/mocker.py to MANIFEST.in, since it introduced the need
[18:28] <statik> yeah, i didn't want it in the review list because it was going to be superseded
[18:28] <thisfred> statik: the mocker was broken, and I didn't unbreak it yet
[18:28] <statik> ah right
[18:28] <thisfred> I did get to know a little bit about mocker.py
[18:29] <thisfred> but did not yet spend enough time to fix it
[18:29] <statik> i was willing to do a branch to fix MANIFEST.in, but mocker.py scared me off, and i gave up and handed it to thisfred
[18:29] <thisfred> statik: also some of stuart's work there may have been superseded by CardinalFang's fixes to the startup
[18:30] <thisfred> stuart was fixing the get_port-> start_couch -> timeout -> get_port -> repeat issue, not sure if that was in that branch
[18:30] <statik> i found another tarmac bug
[18:31] <jblount> statik: I'm having a hard time finding the bug were you were complaining about the folder list items being too tall. Didn't you say "it scares me" or something similar?
[18:31] <thisfred> talllistitemophobia can be crippling
[18:32] <statik> jblount, yes it scares me because it seems so trivial and is so visually disturbing but i have no idea how to fix it
[18:32] <statik> and it looks fine in some browsers
[18:39] <rmcbride> I think we should select a very very MENACING looking font for that situation
[18:48]  * thisfred just replicated oauthenticatedly between two couches in karmic!
[18:48] <thisfred> statik and jamesh: thanks for all the work, it's paying off! :)
[18:48] <statik> yay!
[18:49] <statik> dobey, is there a magic way to see what the output from the test command that tarmac is running is? I'm tailing ~/.config/tarmac/desktopcouch, and it's only got a log message saying the merge worked ok
[18:52] <dobey> statik: hrmm, i don't think there is
[18:52] <dobey> statik: but i think we could easily add something for that
[18:53] <dobey> statik: i also wich lp had a way to do attachments for merge proposal comments... so we could just attach the logs as files, instead of dumping it all in the comment
[18:55] <statik> me too
[19:25] <dobey> statik: i bet we could hack up something to just upload files, and then stick the launchpad librarian links in the comment instead...
[19:26] <dobey> although, it would also help if my branch to fix the messages would land...
[19:37] <Guest84357> I added a text file to my ubuntu one folder on one computer yesterday, and I can see it in the web view, but on a different computer today, the file doesn't show up
[19:37] <Guest84357> is there a way to force it to sync?
[19:39] <dobey> disconnect and reconnect should cause it to resync
[19:41] <Guest84357> thanks - that did the trick
[19:43] <urbanape> jblount: I'm glad to see that the disclosure triangle bug is at least bug-for-bug compatible with the previous version.
[19:43] <jblount> urbanape: :)
[19:43] <urbanape> I'll check with out rhinos about it. I think this behavior is handled deeper than our code goes, into YUI.
[19:43] <Guest84357> actually I take that back - the file shows up now, but it's empty (when I download it from the web it's not)
[19:44] <dobey> Guest84357: it probably just created it, but hasn't downloaded it yet
[19:44] <dobey> patience young padawan :)
[19:44] <Guest84357> :/ it's a 2.2kb text file
[19:45] <dobey> yeah, there are some performance issues we're working on
[19:45] <netlore> LOL,
[19:45] <netlore> BTW, is this gonna be shipping in karmic?...
[19:45] <dobey> it already is, yes
[19:46] <netlore> nice...
[19:47] <netlore> Is it still gonna be in the "Ubuntu One" folder or anywhere?... I've not tried for a while to figure out why it says my update is "held back"... so it's probably not working on mine now.
[19:47] <dobey> although apparently 0.92.0 of the client /just/ missed the alpha4 upload deadline due to a tiny packaging issue :(
[19:47] <dobey> it is currently still only the Ubuntu One folder
[19:47] <dobey> i'm not personally working on any of the code that would determine arbitrary folder usage
[19:48] <netlore> Any ideas on a roadmap there?... I'm certainly looking forward to 9.10, it has to shine though, it's gonna be 100% head to head with Win7...
[19:49] <dobey> there are bugs that you are more than welcome to subscribe to and follow discussion on :)
[19:49] <netlore> Shame MS got their act together really, we could have had Gnome 3.0 on the table to compete... I'll review the bugs, but I think I need to completely remove it and start again as apt/synaptic won't update the package now.
[19:52] <dobey> no, don't!
[19:52] <dobey> can you pastebin the output of "apt-get install ubuntuone-client" please?
[19:52] <dobey> (assuming you didn't already remove it first)
[20:24] <jblount> rmcbride: Would you mind sharing some random U1 folder with me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:24] <rmcbride> jblount: un momente
[20:25] <rmcbride> jblount: share on its way
[20:25] <jblount> rmcbride: thnx
[20:30] <jblount> OH HAI PASSWORD TAB IN SEAHORSE
[20:34] <rmcbride> OMG, TEH PASSWORD TAB IS BACK!!!!1111!
[20:35] <rmcbride> ^^ a couple of professional software developers up there.
[20:47] <urbanape> hey, statik, you about?
[20:48] <statik> yep
[20:48] <urbanape> dietrich (the ff ext dev) is encountering errors trying to get the desktop couch PPA installed.
[20:49] <statik> oh
[20:49] <statik> thats terrible
[20:51] <urbanape> I think it's just a misunderstanding of adding the proper sources
[20:51] <urbanape> Can you gimme the link to the PPA again? I don't see it under lp:desktopcouch
[20:52] <urbanape> "it seems like it downloads a bunch of files, stops around 53, with the error: "some index files failed to download""
[20:55] <statik> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/beta
[20:55] <statik> i see now that the build failed though
[20:55] <thisfred> ohai: http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/intelligenttravel/2009/08/ground-squirrel-photo-crasher.html
[20:56] <statik> because of a dependency on python-distutils-extra >= 2.8
[21:00] <dobey> statik: you can remove that dep (or should be able to)
[21:00] <statik> ok
[21:00] <statik> urbanape, i hope this guy gives us something useful in return :)
[21:01] <dobey> oh yay, thank you dpkg for being braindamaged
[21:02] <urbanape> statik: heh. Here's hoping. He offered to help with the places syncing stuff.
[21:02] <statik> awesome
[21:03] <statik> i'll see if i can get this noise built in a pbuilder before uploading to the ppa again so it'll be more likely to work
[21:03] <urbanape> k
[21:04]  * statik taps his fingers waiting for pbuilder
[21:19] <CardinalFang> I pushed a branch for gwibber.  I'd like some testers of people who use it and have accounts and know how it should work.
[21:20] <CardinalFang> In email, please.  I must go now.
[21:20] <CardinalFang> bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubunet/add-desktopcouch-account-storage
[21:20] <CardinalFang> Grr, not there...
[21:21] <CardinalFang> lp:~cmiller/gwibber/2.0-plus-desktopcouch-account-storage
[21:21] <CardinalFang> There.
[21:23] <jblount> CardinalFang: Will do.
[21:24] <jblount> Hmm. Now to figure out how to run the new version of gwibber.
[21:24] <joshuahoover> CardinalFang: i'm going to try
[21:24] <joshuahoover> jblount: that was my next question :)
[21:25] <jblount> joshuahoover: The old one (bzr branch lp:gwibber) you could just throw somewhere and do a ./bin/gwibber
[21:25]  * jblount heads to #gwibber to find out
[21:26] <thisfred> netflix delivered season one of the wire (previously gave up after 1 episode) DVD player in laptop region switched, so tonight we'll be trying to spot places we've seen. (apparently a lot of it was filmed really close to here)
[21:27] <jblount> thisfred: If you can make it to episode 4, it will be your favorite television show of all time.
[21:27] <jblount> Although CardinalFang stopped after one episode as well. Hmm.
[21:29] <thisfred> jblount: well now that I live here, I have extra incentive :)
[21:31] <jblount> :)
[21:31] <BUGabundo> hey kids
[21:31] <BUGabundo> jblount: gwibber is on arestecnica
[21:31] <BUGabundo> not on freenode
[21:32] <statik> urbanape, i'm still working on getting a successful build locally
[21:32] <statik> of desktopcouch on jaunty
[21:32] <urbanape> np. in the meanwhile, I'm suggesting that he grab bindwood and use the regular 5984 couch
[21:32] <urbanape> (it should fall back on that)
[21:33] <jblount> BUGabundo: Right you are.
[21:33] <BUGabundo> I'm always right :)
[21:33] <BUGabundo> the sooner  you get that  the better :=))
[21:34] <statik> urbanape, i thought we got rid of the falling back to system couchdb?
[21:34] <statik> oh, bindwood, right
[21:34] <urbanape> I think the dbus.sh script still falls back to reporting a port of 5984
[21:34] <urbanape> We probably want to remove that in the near future, though.
[21:34] <urbanape> and just make it gracefully do nothing.
[21:36] <dobey> yes
[21:36] <dobey> we don't want to store user data in system couch
[21:37] <urbanape> well, *I'd* like to let the user determine where to store it. Locally, remotely, desktopcouch, or whatever. But that's farther in the future.