[03:53] <j4jackj> IdleOne, can you restate that 13 or 30 comment on record please?
[03:54] <IdleOne> I have no idea what comment you are talking about. I know I told you that I was done with you and to contact the IRCC if you wanted to resolve your ban(s)
[03:54] <IdleOne> Have a good night.
[03:54] <j4jackj> o you
[03:55] <j4jackj> elky, this has to escalate. do you have idleone's logs?
[03:55] <IdleOne> why would elky have my logs?
[03:55] <IdleOne> also stop highlighting random ops
[03:55] <IdleOne> !appeals
[03:55] <IdleOne> there is all the info you need to contact the IRCC
[03:55] <elky> j4jackj, talking to me is not escalation. learn to follow instructions.
[03:56] <j4jackj> ok
[03:56] <elky> somehow i suspect this inability is part of the problem here...
[03:56] <j4jackj> possibly
[03:58] <elky> if so, you will want to fix that deficit first
[06:18] <ChRisHansen> does anyone know if there is an irc help channel anywhere ?
[06:18] <JoseeAntonioR> ChRisHansen: #ubuntu may be able to help
[15:37] <frogshair> Cloak Request
[15:39] <Fuchs> frogshair: log in to your account request,
[15:39] <Fuchs> frogshair: also: if an ubuntu member cloak, have your launchpad page ready
[15:39] <Fuchs> if no account yet: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup or /msg nickserv help register  for the short version
[15:40] <frogshair> https://launchpad.net/~detaill
[15:41] <Fuchs> frogshair: good, then you only need an account if you don't have one yet, or log in to it if you have one,
[15:41] <Fuchs> then wait for IRCC to wake up
[15:42] <k1l_> looks good from the ubuntu side. just need some IRCC for confirmation and setting the launchpad stuff up :)
[15:48] <frogshair> IRCC for confirmation and setting the launchpad stuff up ?
[15:48] <Fuchs> frogshair: somebody from IRCC has to confirm to freenode staff, just hang around here and wait for one of them
[15:49]  * Fuchs tries to lure AlanBell with cake
[15:50] <Fuchs> frogshair: you could use that wait time to set up an account as per description above
[15:50] <Fuchs> note that the mail address has to be valid
[15:50] <Unit193> Cookies.
[15:56] <frogshair> The name has been registered @ nick-sever and confirmed via email prior to visiting this channel. Is there another step I missed ?
[15:56] <Fuchs> frogshair: which nick? if your current one: no, I am afraid it is not registered.
[15:57] <Fuchs> frogshair: if a different one: you probably just forgot to log in,  /msg nickserv identify yourname yourpassword
[16:02] <frogshair> frogshair is the name used and I  entered the /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER frogshair_passwaord
[16:03] <Fuchs> -NickServ- frogshair is not registered.
[16:03] <Fuchs> oh
[16:03] <Fuchs> the verify needs the thing from the E-Mail
[16:03] <Fuchs> if you didn't do that, it expired after 24 hours
[16:03] <Fuchs> just re-register :)
[16:03] <Fuchs> make sure to use a valid e-mail address, verify with the code provided in the e-mail and you should be fine
[16:50] <AlanBell> did someone say cake?
[16:50] <Fuchs> AlanBell: too late.
[16:50] <Fuchs> go back to sleep ;p
[16:50]  * AlanBell wanders off to find cake :)
[16:50] <Fuchs> I have some, but I guess I'm not around the corner
[16:51] <AlanBell> not really. I think we have some banana bread cooling down
[16:51] <Fuchs> lovely. Enjoy :)
[16:54] <Unit193> Fuchs: Sent him back too soon.
[16:54] <Fuchs> AlanBell: there you have him
[16:55] <Fuchs> now we only have him to manage to register the nick first  (the one without _)
[16:55] <AlanBell> yup, with a registered nick the launchpad bit looks fine
[16:56] <Fuchs> frogshair_:   /nick frogshair      then     /msg nickserv REGISTER fancypasswordhere<EMAIL_ADDRESS>     then follow instructions in the mail received.
[16:56] <Fuchs> oh, you are already here as frogshair as well, so you can't /nick
[16:56] <Fuchs> bleh
[16:57] <Fuchs> do it from there, then
[17:04] <frogshair_> I'm a bit lost , I have  followed the instructions   within 24 hours and yet I come back as unregistered.
[17:05] <Fuchs> frogshair_: which is why I gave you the exact commands. Anyway, your pidgin (or whatever it is) is still connected as frogshair (without _), so to register the nick, you either need to do it from there or disconnect it so you can change your name
[17:05] <Fuchs> frogshair_: if you do that, I shall guide you through the process :)
[17:09] <AlanBell> frogshair_: there is a virtual user called "nickserv", you have to talk to that user to log in
[17:09] <Fuchs> *augh*
[17:09] <Fuchs> he got the nick with _ now ...
[17:10] <Fuchs> ah well
[17:10] <Fuchs> I will guide him through grouping if he starts to reply again ...
[17:10] <frogshair_> I removed the account info from the IM client and am using the browser now.
[17:11] <Fuchs> frogshair_: lovely. Now please first of all identify to your account. Write    /msg nickserv identify your-password-here
[17:11] <Fuchs> tell me when done
[17:12] <frogshair_>  /msg nickserv lrqmtjciihor
[17:12] <Fuchs> (just type it where you usually type text, make sure the / is the first character on the line, then it won't show up here)
[17:12] <Fuchs> *sigh*
[17:12] <Fuchs> okay, let us retry this:
[17:12] <Fuchs> /msg nickserv identify lrqmtjciihor
[17:12] <Fuchs> do not replace or remove the word nickserv
[17:13] <Fuchs> and do make sure that the / is right at the beginning of the line
[17:13] <Fuchs> after that:  /msg nickserv SET PASSWORD new-password-here
[17:13] <Fuchs> since everybody now has your password.
[17:13] <Fuchs> tell me when done
[17:20] <frogshair_>  /msg nickserv lrqmtjciihor
[17:21] <Fuchs> almost.
[17:21] <Fuchs> /msg nickserv identify lrqmtjciihor
[17:21] <IdleOne> frogshair_: please copy and paste the following command exactly
[17:21] <IdleOne> /msg nickserv identify lrqmtjciihor
[17:21] <Fuchs> exactly like that. Do not remove or replace any words in it. And do make sure that there is no space in front of the /. It has to start with /.
[17:27] <frogshair_> I copied and pasted the command and the original pass word from the email.
[17:28] <Fuchs> frogshair_: don't. For now: please do copy mine.
[17:29] <Fuchs> frogshair_: /msg nickserv identify lrqmtjciihor                <<< _exactly_ like this. Do _not_ remove or alter any words (unless the password is not correct), and do make sure that the / is AT THE BEGINNING of the line. No space in front, nothing. Has to start with /.
[17:29] <Fuchs> Pretty simple.
[23:43] <Unit193> [Freenode]  account  : frogshair  he did finally get it.


[04:24] <nickellery> @schedule Vancouver
[11:26] <leoquant> @schedule amsterdam
[11:50] <izamryan> hai guys
[11:51] <udienz-> @now
[11:52]  * Belutz will be back in 15
[11:53] <amachu> Belutz: elkbuntu: zakame: Hi
[11:53] <lifeless> hi
[11:55] <persia> Good Evening
[11:55] <leoquant> good afternoon
[11:56] <amachu> persia: hi
[11:56] <udienz-> persia, leoquant, amachu: good afternoon
[11:56] <zakame> hi
[11:56] <leoquant> :)
[11:57] <udienz-> @schedule Jakarta
[11:58]  * elkbuntu looks at the clock
[11:58] <elkbuntu> still two minutes!
[11:58]  * persia rushes off to the green room for just one more fix
[11:58] <amachu> elkbuntu: yes
[11:59] <lifeless> allo allo
[11:59] <lifeless> shall we start ?
[11:59] <amachu> we should
[12:00]  * udienz- ready
[12:00] <elkbuntu> yep
[12:00] <amachu> hello everybody
[12:00] <Ekushey> hello amachu
[12:00] <elkbuntu> who do we have?
[12:00] <amachu> let me call one by one
[12:01] <amachu> as in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[12:01] <amachu> please say hi and introduce yourself to the board, about you, your questions
[12:02] <amachu> your contributions etc.,
[12:02] <amachu> and then we shall have questions for you
[12:02] <amachu> shall we go now
[12:02] <elkbuntu> i believe we have a quorum?
[12:03] <lifeless> me, amachu, persia, elkbuntu I recognize, I presume udienz is part of the board
[12:03] <lifeless> 5 has to be quorate :)
[12:03] <izamryan> hai guys
[12:03] <persia> lifeless: udienz- is an applicant.
[12:03] <lifeless> ah, k. 4 then. still good
[12:03] <udienz-> persia, yup
[12:04] <Ekushey> i'm an applicant too
[12:04] <amachu> First, Nicholas Ng
[12:04]  * persia pings missing people
[12:04] <Ekushey> i'm lagging very badly, so please excuse me for the delay to reply
[12:04] <lifeless> nbliang is the irc nick
[12:04]  * takdir too
[12:04] <lifeless> not online
[12:05] <amachu> lifeless: nbliang isn't present it seems
[12:05] <amachu> let me call the next, udienz
[12:05] <udienz-> hi all...
[12:05] <udienz-> my name is Mahyuddin Susanto but you can call me udienz
[12:05] <udienz-> i'm 23 Years old, Male, currently i'm studiyng at Electrical Engineering Jember University (200KM from Surabaya or 500KM from Jakarta)
[12:06] <udienz-> currently i'm member at Indonesian Ubuntu Foundation (documentation Team), administrator Ubuntu-Indonesian Translator, keynote HRP/GRP, Writer/activist at Surabaya Linux Council (KLAS/http://surabaya.linux.or.id)
[12:06] <udienz-> my account at LP is http://edge.launchpad.net/~udienz,
[12:07] <elkbuntu> udienz-, do you have a wiki page?
[12:07] <udienz-> yup
[12:07]  * Belutz is back
[12:07] <lifeless> HRP/GRP?
[12:07] <elkbuntu> or are they all the same ;)
[12:07] <udienz-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Udienz
[12:07] <Belutz> HRP is Hardy Release Party
[12:07] <udienz-> lifeless: Hardy Release Party
[12:07] <izamryan> what's HRP/GRP mean ? :-)
[12:07] <Belutz> GRP is Gutsy Release Party
[12:07] <lifeless> ah
[12:07] <udienz-> :D
[12:08] <izamryan> wow :-)
[12:08] <udienz-> enough
[12:09] <persia> udienz-: Does BlankOn coordinate with Edubuntu in any way?
[12:09] <elkbuntu> are the release parties big?
[12:09] <udienz-> persia: no, BlankOn based at ubuntu
[12:09] <udienz-> elkbuntu: yup, 200 person
[12:10] <elkbuntu> cool, that's a fairly big crowd
[12:10] <udienz-> persia: BlankOn Linux is a distribution which is targetted for schools and small to medium enterprises in Indonesia.
[12:10] <Belutz> udienz-, what would you do if you are approved as an ubuntu member?
[12:11] <udienz-> Belutz: i wish improved my contribution better than today
[12:11] <udienz-> and also distributing Ubuntu more than today
[12:11] <elkbuntu> how does the membership help this?
[12:12]  * udienz- proposed Ubuntu repository server at my campus
[12:12] <elkbuntu> how will the membership help you contribute?
[12:12] <Belutz> elkbuntu, sadly to say, but legality is very needed in our country
[12:12] <udienz-> elkbuntu: because i can print my name at my bussiness, so i'm more free to be keynote
[12:12] <udienz-> :D
[12:13] <elkbuntu> udienz-, you mean carry business cards?
[12:13] <udienz-> no..D
[12:13] <elkbuntu> im not sure i understand
[12:13] <udienz-> i believe if approved it can grow up more spirit
[12:13] <lifeless> the wordpress theme is nice, have you considered putting it in an ubuntu package?
[12:14] <udienz-> lifeless, cureently i'm studiying packaging it. but it take a long time
[12:15] <udienz-> and this theme have a bug
[12:15] <udienz-> lifeless, thanks
[12:16] <amachu_> udienz-: Belutz know you?
[12:16] <Belutz> :D
[12:16] <zakame> you have a very big karma on translations, that's good :) how much of the current distro do you think is already translated to ID?
[12:16] <udienz-> zakame: ubuntu
[12:16] <udienz-> ubuntume
[12:17] <elkbuntu> huh?
[12:17] <udienz-> this is example my contributions: http://wiki.blankonlinux.or.id/wiki/Dokumentasi
[12:18] <udienz-> and this is my activity http://www.ubuntu-id.org/news/hrp-jember-sukses-besar
[12:19] <zakame> udienz-: yes, I mean ubuntu :)
[12:19] <Belutz> if I may add, udienz- contributions has been very big for Ubuntu Indonesia, especially for distributing Ubuntu in East Java area
[12:20] <lifeless> I've heard enough
[12:20] <udienz-> Belutz: thanks
[12:20] <udienz-> zakame: sorry :D
[12:21]  * udienz- nervous
[12:21] <persia> udienz-: Dod you bring anyone else to cheer for you?
[12:22] <elkbuntu> sorry, i've been distracted by a problem
[12:22] <udienz-> persia: RameTux please speak
[12:22] <amachu__> elkbuntu: me too
[12:22] <lifeless> udienz-: don't be nervious
[12:22] <udienz-> persia: RameTux please...
[12:23] <udienz-> Takdir
[12:23]  * takdir support udienz
[12:23] <takdir> :D
[12:23]  * RameTux too
[12:23] <RameTux> :-)
[12:23] <amachu__> udienz-: you have RameTux ?
[12:23] <amachu__> thats good
[12:23] <lifeless> anything in particular udienz- does that stands out most ?
[12:23] <udienz-> Amachu: yup, takdir
[12:24] <amachu__> takdir: ok
[12:24] <lifeless> RameTux: takdir: ^
[12:24] <RameTux> amachu__: ;-)
[12:24] <amachu__> RameTux: go ahead and can we have few words from you
[12:25] <udienz-> RameTux: do you nervous too?
[12:25] <amachu__> tell about yourself, and then about udienz-
[12:25]  * elkbuntu listens
[12:26] <amachu__> your experiences with him, may be briefly
[12:26] <amachu__> if nervous
[12:26] <udienz-> amachu: RameTux is my partner, maybe he nervous
[12:26] <udienz-> :D
[12:26] <amachu__> :D
[12:26] <elkbuntu> he could be still typing too
[12:26] <amachu__> thats ok
[12:26] <amachu__> and takdir ?
[12:27] <takdir> yup
[12:27] <lifeless> takdir: anything in particular udienz- does that stands out most ?
[12:27] <takdir> i'm apply for membership tii
[12:27] <takdir> too
[12:27] <lifeless> RameTux: anything in particular udienz- does that stands out most ?
[12:27] <takdir> udienz make a documentation for ubuntu indonesia
[12:27] <udienz-> :D
[12:27] <RameTux> i think he is the most active person on the loco team
[12:28] <RameTux> sorry, a lot of nervous :D
[12:28] <lifeless> RameTux: thank you
[12:28] <RameTux> as u can see his contribution that he said before ;-)
[12:28] <lifeless> takdir: thanks
[12:28] <Belutz> may I as the LoCo leader speak for udienz- ?
[12:29] <amachu__> Belutz: hey, i asked that way back
[12:29] <amachu__> :-)
[12:29] <Belutz> or is it prohibited because i'm a member of the approval board?
[12:29] <Belutz> :D
[12:29] <elkbuntu> Belutz, please.
[12:29] <Belutz> sorry, i'm still at the office
[12:29] <lifeless> I don't see why it should be prohibited
[12:30] <Belutz> udienz-, has been very helpful in Ubuntu-ID mailing list helping people with problems
[12:30] <lifeless> but lets move along, its late here
[12:30] <udienz-> thanks Belutz, Takdir, RameTux
[12:30] <Belutz> he also the contact person for ubuntu-id for east java area
[12:31] <Belutz> and he actively write some of his experiences using ubuntu in his blog, that can help ubuntu users in indonesia
[12:31] <Belutz> I think that's all from me
[12:31] <amachu__> saw all those at a short run
[12:31] <udienz-> Belutz: thanks
[12:31] <elkbuntu> sorry for being so distracted. he seems to have made a good effort indeed
[12:32] <amachu__> elkbuntu: yes
[12:32] <Belutz> for all his contributions for ubuntu-id I could give him +1
[12:32] <lifeless> so, any more questions to ask ?
[12:32] <lifeless> (I have none)
[12:32] <elkbuntu> nor i. +1
[12:33] <persia> +1 from me, although I'd like to see more of the various projects more integrated with Ubuntu
[12:33] <amachu__> neither too.. thats fair enough +1
[12:33] <amachu__> neither me too..
[12:33]  * elkbuntu agrees with persia
[12:33] <amachu__> zakame: there?
[12:34]  * udienz- still waiting
[12:34] <lifeless> +1
[12:35] <lifeless> persia: I agree re the projects, but I think that that is largely orthogonal; he is contributing both directly and indirectly
[12:35] <udienz-> lifeless: thanks...
[12:36] <Belutz> the problem in our country is that we still focus in gathering more FOSS users than FOSS developers, how can they be a developer if they doesn't use it
[12:36] <zakame> +1 on the translation works, keep it up :)
[12:36] <persia> lifeless: Entirely.  I believe udienz- deserves membership based on the strength of LoCo work and translations.  I'd still like to see this membership used to help transition ubuntume and BlankOn into in-repo derivatives.
[12:36] <amachu__> persia: i too would stress on that, overall Ok
[12:36]  * Belutz congrats udienz-
[12:37] <udienz-> hihihi
[12:37]  * RameTux congrats udienz- ;-)
[12:37] <amachu__> udienz-: Welcome :-)
[12:37] <Ekushey> congrats udienz- :)
[12:37] <lifeless> congrats
[12:37] <lifeless>  Russell John
[12:37] <lifeless>
[12:37] <lifeless> Ekushey
[12:37] <zakame> congrats udienz-
[12:37] <udienz-> awesome.... thanks all.... thanks amachu, persia, Belutz, lifeless, Ekushy
[12:38] <amachu__> kudos! Keep it going
[12:38] <Ekushey> present
[12:38] <udienz-> thanks zakame
[12:38] <lifeless> care to tell us about yourself and your Ubuntu contributions?
[12:38] <Ekushey> Hello everyone, my name is Russell John, I'm the team leader of Ubuntu Bangladesh. I formed this team in 2006 and got approved in 2007. My LP page is at https://launchpad.net/~russell.john and wiki page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Russell.
[12:38] <Ekushey> I'm mainly an advocacy guy and I do Ubuntu related advocacy in my country. I speak at different occasions about Ubuntu and encourage people to use it at home and offices.
[12:38] <Ekushey> I also maintaing our website, translate news items, coordinate with our team mates and volunteers, and keep in touch with universities and different organisations where we can penetrate. I help users via our mailing list, forum and also through phone.
[12:38] <Ekushey> I'm an active Ubuntu advocate and I would be honoured get Ubuntu membership.
[12:39] <lifeless> what sort of occasions?
[12:39] <persia> That's a very new LP page :)
[12:39] <Ekushey> lifeless, workshops mostly
[12:39] <Ekushey> persia, i renamed it actually
[12:41] <amachu__> Ekushey: what role you play with iosn?
[12:41] <Belutz> Ekushey, same question, what would you do if you become an ubuntu member?
[12:41] <lifeless> ubuntu specific workshops, or ??? how many folk are there...
[12:41] <Ekushey> amachu__, i'm maintain the bangladesh section since 2004
[12:43] <Ekushey> Belutz, i'd like to see more people from our locoteam to become ubuntu members, and being the lead contact i think it would be helpful to get the membership myself first
[12:43] <Ekushey> lifeless, ubuntu/kubuntu specific programs, all under the banner of our loco team
[12:43] <lifeless> Ekushey: cool
[12:43] <Ekushey> *team contact
[12:44] <amachu__> liason with MNC, NGO software firms?
[12:44] <Ekushey> amachu__, yes ofcoarse
[12:44] <Ekushey> i used to work for an internation NGO and it helped me to get in touch with others NGOs too
[12:45] <amachu__> little elaborate please, thats a learning too
[12:45] <Belutz> Ekushey, how many members in ubuntu-bd right now?
[12:46] <Ekushey> amachu__, these NGOs are setting up telecenters all around the country, and people would learn how to use computers and internet. we're pushing them to use ubuntu/edubuntu on this machines.
[12:47] <Ekushey> Belutz, around 200 on mailing list and 90 on LP
[12:47] <Belutz> nice
[12:47] <lifeless> I have no more questions btw, +1
[12:47] <elkbuntu> +1 from me too
[12:47] <Belutz> are they all active in offline activity like you do?
[12:47] <Ekushey> thanks, lifeless
[12:47] <amachu__> Ekushey: fine. how about contributions to translations
[12:47] <Ekushey> thanks, elkbuntu
[12:48] <amachu__> ubuntu bangaldesh members make contributions to Bengali?
[12:48] <Ekushey> Belutz, most of them, yes. on out last meet, 70 people joined us.
[12:48] <Ekushey> amachu__, yes of course!
[12:48] <Belutz> great
[12:48] <persia> Ekushey: Did you bring anyone to cheer for you?
[12:49] <Ekushey> persia, not really
[12:49] <elkbuntu> ekushey has been in the loco circle for quite a while
[12:49] <Belutz> +1 from me
[12:49] <lifeless> elkbuntu: feel free to cheer ;P
[12:49] <Ekushey> thanks, Belutz
[12:49] <amachu__> elkbuntu: yes, he has been :-)
[12:49] <elkbuntu> lifeless, that is me cheering :)
[12:50] <Ekushey> :)
[12:50] <amachu__> +1 from me
[12:50] <persia> +1 from me
[12:50]  * Belutz cheer for elkbuntu
[12:50] <Ekushey> thanks amachu__ :)
[12:50] <GunbladeIV> hello
[12:50] <Ekushey> thank you persia!
[12:50] <zakame> damn that's a lot
[12:50] <zakame> +1
[12:50] <amachu__> Congrats!
[12:50] <Belutz> Ekushey, congrats :)
[12:50] <lifeless> grats
[12:50] <Ekushey> thanks zakame :)
[12:50] <Belutz> Ekushey, welcome aboard
[12:51] <Ekushey> thank you everyone... it's a pleasure :)
[12:51] <Belutz> Ekushey, hope to see ubuntu-bd growing
[12:51] <GunbladeIV> any malaysian representative here?
[12:51] <Ekushey> thanks :)
[12:51] <udienz-> welcome Ekushey! congrats!
[12:52] <amachu__> takdir
[12:52] <Belutz> GunbladeIV, not that i know of
[12:52] <Ekushey> thanks udienz- mate :)
[12:52] <takdir> yup
[12:52] <takdir> I'm Takdir, from Indonesia, work in government.
[12:52] <GunbladeIV> Belutz, udienz- : hi id members.
[12:52] <takdir> I use ubuntu and i promote ubuntu with seminar and workshop
[12:52] <takdir> especially in ubuntu release party.
[12:53] <takdir> i'm member  ubuntu indonesian, http://groups.google.com/group/id-ubuntu
[12:53] <takdir> always give support if I know how to solve the problem
[12:53] <takdir> and
[12:53] <takdir> now i will join again as ubuntu translator (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-id)
[12:53] <takdir> because my membership expired a few month ago.
[12:53] <takdir> that's my introduction. thanks
[12:53] <takdir> my wiki page
[12:53] <takdir> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MuhammadTakdir
[12:55] <Belutz> any questions for takdir ?
[12:55] <amachu__> seminar and workshops references?
[12:56] <Belutz> takdir, what would you if you are an ubuntu member?
[12:56] <takdir> amachu__ like this ? http://www.ubuntu-id.org/news/kpli-makassar-mengadakan-pesta-rilis-hardy-dan-blankon
[12:57] <ApOgEE-> hi everyone!
[12:57] <takdir> or every 2  week workshop in base camp
[12:57] <GunbladeIV> hi ApOgEE-
[12:57] <ApOgEE-> nice to meet all of you!
[12:57] <lifeless> takdir: what would you say your largest area of contribution is (e.g. advocacy, packaging, ...) Also, you say you promote the use of ubuntu in government and elementary schools - how successful is that (are places using it ?)
[12:57] <amachu__> is that sinjai that you have mentioned in your wiki?
[12:57] <takdir> belutz, it will be give me spirit to contribute
[12:58] <amachu__> takdir: there?
[12:58] <takdir> and i can write most about ubuntu in my web blog
[12:58] <takdir> yup
[12:58] <takdir> http://www.sinjai.go.id
[12:58] <lifeless> @schedule sydney
[12:59] <persia> takdir: Could you expand on the relation between BlankOn and Ubuntu?
[12:59] <takdir> BlankOn is distribution derivate from ubuntu
[12:59] <lifeless> takdir: what would you say your largest area of contribution is (e.g. advocacy, packaging, ...) Also, you say you promote the use of ubuntu in government and elementary schools - how successful is that (are places using it ?)
[13:00] <zakame> why is it named such?
[13:00] <Belutz> zakame, Blank then On
[13:00] <takdir> there is 2 school migrate their lab in to ubuntu
[13:00] <lifeless> takdir: did you help with that migration?
[13:01] <takdir> yup
[13:01] <takdir> yup
[13:01] <takdir> i give instruction
[13:01] <takdir> and keep support
[13:01] <lifeless> cool
[13:01] <Belutz> actually BlankOn is a colaborative project between Ubuntu Indonesia and Indonesia Linux Movement Foundation, the main goal is to provide a linux distro that is more suitable for Indonesian users
[13:02] <takdir> also give edubuntu with gcompris
[13:03] <takdir> in government where i work, i've been migrate internet laboratory to ubuntu
[13:03] <takdir> and make local repository
[13:03] <ApOgEE-> wow
[13:03] <Belutz> same like udienz- , takdir have been very helpful in ubuntu-id mailing list
[13:04] <takdir> Sinjai Regency, is small city in east indonesia
[13:04] <amachu__> takdir: ok
[13:04]  * udienz- agree with Belutz
[13:04] <Belutz> he's also one of the main contact for sulawesi island
[13:05] <takdir> my LP : https://launchpad.net/~muhammad-takdir
[13:05] <Belutz> he's been very active maintaining some packages for BlankOn which is we hope that after that we could contribute to upstream
[13:05] <takdir> thanks belutz, udienz
[13:05] <takdir> :D
[13:06] <amachu__> Belutz: takdir: udienz- : all three have met before? ;-)
[13:06]  * RameTux too :D
[13:06] <lifeless> +1 from me, it sounds like there is a lot of community (in the sense of support and advocacy) as well as code-related stuff going on
[13:06] <Belutz> amachu__, i have met takdir, but i haven't met udienz-
[13:06] <lifeless> while MOTU would be a good route, there is enough community stuff to convince me
[13:06] <elkbuntu> i agree
[13:07] <Belutz> amachu__, he did once come to my office (a government body too)
[13:07] <takdir> yup, i never see udienz
[13:07] <takdir> :)
[13:07] <udienz-> amachu__: indonesia is great country. it's possiblity to met
[13:07] <persia> +1 from me on community, the technical stuff needs to come back upstream before it becomes interesting.
[13:07] <RameTux> takdir is a government ubuntu/opensource activist ;-)
[13:07]  * udienz- wish takdir eillbe MOTU dev
[13:07] <takdir> and in indonesian linux conference, meet with belutz
[13:07] <amachu__> :-)
[13:07] <Belutz> for all his contributions to ubuntu indonesia i could give him +1
[13:07] <amachu__> Cheers +1
[13:07] <amachu__> Keep it going
[13:08] <takdir> udienz, i must learn much
[13:08] <takdir> thankx persia, amachu__, belutz
[13:08] <ApOgEE-> here's my humble launchpad page https://launchpad.net/~apogee
[13:08] <ApOgEE-> ;D
[13:08] <amachu__> zakame: ?
[13:08]  * RameTux congrats takdir ;-)
[13:08] <ApOgEE-> persia, are you persian?
[13:09] <persia> ApOgEE-: No.
[13:09] <lifeless> ApOgEE-: you are not on the list for tonight are you ?
[13:09] <lifeless> only 4 names there
[13:09] <ApOgEE-> is it?
[13:09] <lifeless> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[13:09] <persia> ApOgEE-: Please add yourself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania and come back next week.
[13:09] <lifeless> you need to put your name there
[13:09] <lifeless> we are at the end of this meeting now
[13:09] <amachu__> lifeless: i think we should check Nicholas is there, before we conclude
[13:10] <lifeless> and it takes nearly 20 minutes to do a candidate
[13:10] <lifeless> amachu__: sure
[13:10] <lifeless> still no such nick
[13:10] <ApOgEE-> lifeless, ok lifeless
[13:10] <ApOgEE-> i'm goin home now...
[13:10] <Belutz> takdir, welcome aboard (is it done yet?)
[13:10] <amachu__> ApOgEE-: Suggest you to add yourself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[13:10] <ApOgEE-> lifeless, will add later... i'm in hurry
[13:11] <ApOgEE-> ok amachu__
[13:11] <ApOgEE-> gtg...
[13:11] <amachu__> Is Nicholas there?
[13:11] <lifeless> no
[13:11] <lifeless> his nick is not online
[13:11] <amachu__> yes..
[13:11] <lifeless> nbliang is the nick
[13:11] <elkbuntu> nbliang hasnt been seen by nickserv for 6 days.
[13:11] <amachu__> so we have 3 members aboard
[13:12] <elkbuntu> we do.
[13:12]  * Belutz congrats udienz-, Ekushey- and takdir
[13:12] <Ekushey> thanks again, Belutz
[13:12] <takdir> thanks Belutz
[13:12] <amachu__> Welcome udienz-, Ekushey, takdir
[13:12] <GunbladeIV> actually nbliang is currently busy
[13:12] <Ekushey> do i need to add myself to any LP page?
[13:12] <Belutz> may "ubuntu member" title could make you contribute more to ubuntu and keep spreading the ubuntu spirit
[13:12] <udienz-> thnaks All
[13:13] <persia> It the same time next week good for all board members?
[13:13] <udienz-> thaanks All
[13:13] <amachu__> persia: we shall announce that later
[13:13] <amachu__> there is a clash with Community Council next with
[13:13] <amachu__> at the same time
[13:14] <persia> amachu__: Ah right.  OK
[13:14] <amachu__> we shall take it off-line
[13:14] <amachu__> So lets conclude now. shall we?
[13:14] <Belutz> amachu__, ok
[13:15] <amachu__> elkbuntu: lifeless: persia: there?
[13:15] <persia> I'm good for conclusion.
[13:16] <amachu__> thankyou everyone for participating
[13:16] <elkbuntu> yes?
[13:16] <lifeless> all done
[13:17] <amachu__> we will keep you updated on further course of actions
[13:17] <amachu__> :-)
[13:17] <amachu__> Cheers
[13:17] <Belutz> thanks amachu__ , elkbuntu , lifeless , zakame , persia
[13:17] <takdir> thanks all
[13:17] <takdir> :D
[13:21] <udienz-> many thanks to all
[13:21] <udienz-> i dont't believe it real, i think it dream
[13:26] <elkbuntu> so um, who is doing the LP clickery?
[13:56] <lukehasnoname> @schedule chicago
[14:56] <izamryan> @schedule brunei
[15:24] <owh> @schedule perth
[15:25] <lukehasnoname> perth.
[15:26] <lukehasnoname> Most expensive place in Autralia, I hear.
[15:27] <owh> lukehasnoname: Expensive for what? Says who?
[15:28] <lukehasnoname> living
[15:28] <lukehasnoname> compared to other major Autralian cities
[15:28] <lukehasnoname> according to wikipedia or similar
[15:29] <lukehasnoname> I was thinking about studying in Newcastle for a while, but expenses won't permit (I'm middle class trying to get through college. Cry for me.)
[15:30] <owh> Well, I don't know about the accuracy of the statement, as that number changes all the time. I know that housing shortages have increased the house price in Perth dramatically and that the mining boom in the state has created employee shortages, but costs seem to be in touch with the rest of the country.
[15:31] <lukehasnoname> hm
[15:31] <lukehasnoname> What's an average apartment ("flat") cost, one bed, per month?
[15:32] <owh> Dunno. We're paying AUD$ 330 per month for a two bedroom home 10 km from the CBD on a bus route.
[15:32] <owh> s/month/week/
[15:32] <owh> You're better off looking online for real answers.
[15:33] <lukehasnoname> 330!
[15:33] <lukehasnoname> *runs to converter*
[15:33] <owh> Per week.
[15:33] <lukehasnoname> oh damn
[15:33] <jussi01> perth is nice
[15:34] <lukehasnoname> that's about 1200 USD a month, ya, that's no shock.
[15:34] <owh> It's got it's good points :)
[15:34] <owh> lukehasnoname: Yeah, AUD is pretty close to USD at the moment.
[15:34] <owh> lukehasnoname: It was 2 : 1 for a while a couple of years back :)
[15:35] <owh> jussi01: How did you get to experience Perth?
[15:37] <jussi01> owh: i was born in bunbury ;)
[15:39] <lukehasnoname> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Seabrook-tx-kemah-bridge.jpg
[15:39] <ogra> do they bury buns there ?
[15:39] <lukehasnoname> That's the coast of my town
[15:40] <owh> jussi01: Nice part of the world. Most of my wife's family lives around there, Bussleton, Dunsborough, all good :)
[15:40] <jussi01> owh: :) Moved to Melbourne when I was 8
[15:41] <owh> jussi01: Now that's funny. I was born in Mitcham and moved to WA when I was 3 weeks old :)
[15:42] <jussi01> hehe
[15:42] <owh> For those reading along, Mitcham is a suburb of Melbourne :)
[15:42] <jussi01> well actuallyy moved to geelong, but no one over where I live now knows where that is
[15:43] <jussi01> and perhaps we should move to one of the offtopic rooms
[15:43] <lukehasnoname> psh
[15:43] <owh> Nah, I'm hanging around for the ubuntu-server meeting :)
[15:44] <lukehasnoname> not until 10, er, 15 minutes from now
[15:44] <jussi01> theres an -au-offtopic yes?
[15:44] <jussi01> owh: I now live in finland
[15:44] <owh> O_o
[15:46] <owh> lukehasnoname: Niice.
[15:47]  * owh likes small towns.
[15:47] <jussi01> owh: I married a finnish girl :D
[15:48] <jussi01> I live in a town of ~120,000
[15:48] <owh> jussi01: That'll teach ya :)
[15:48] <jussi01> owh: I like it here
[15:48] <owh> jussi01: Next you'll be teaching your kids to speak in foreign toungues :)
[15:48] <jussi01> owh: Kids?... right
[15:49] <jussi01> My kids are my dog and My hedgehog
[15:50] <owh> Fair enough.
[15:50] <owh> But look what princess Mary got herself into, marrying into the Danish Royal Family :)
[15:50] <jussi01> here are some pics of Tuhina the hedgehog if you are interested: http://lifematta.com/jussi01/photos/
[15:52] <owh> Nice doggie :)
[15:52] <jussi01> :D :P
[15:53] <lukehasnoname> seriously, why was the meeting bumped up? Was 8pm too hard for the blokes on the east side of the Atlantic?
[15:53] <owh> It's coming up to 11pm, I'm normally fast asleep at this time, but someone scheduled a meeting in the middle of the night, so I'm a little delirious.
[15:54] <lukehasnoname> It's 10am June 10th here in Houston
[15:54] <owh> lukehasnoname: It was a consensus thing and I didn't feel that I could cause others to have a meeting in the middle of their night, this way I get to feel some of their pain :)
[15:55] <owh> jussi01: Now what I really want is a webcam of your hedgehog so I can just have him/her sit on my desktop as a companion without needing to feed or clean up :)
[15:55] <jussi01> LOL
[15:56] <owh> lukehasnoname: Hmm, seems Seabrook isn't as small as I thought. I've been round Australia and lived in towns of 1500 people and less, very cozy :)
[15:58] <sommer> hey all
[15:58] <owh> o/
[15:58] <lukehasnoname> Ya, Seabrook has 10k people with a lot of neighborhoods, but Todville (the street going into the distance in that pic) has the fish market and sparse coastal houses. I live just the other side of some trees in that pic
[15:59]  * owh needs an anti-yawn cream.
[15:59] <sommer> owh: that only comes in a spray
[16:00] <owh> I wonder if talking about yawning causes people across the planet to yawn :)
[16:00] <nijaba> o/
[16:00] <Koon> \o
[16:00] <owh> sommer: Excellent, can you email me some?
[16:00] <sommer> owh: I'll see what I can do, heh
[16:01]  * owh wakes mathiaz up.
[16:03]  * owh pulls some navel fluff.
[16:03] <lukehasnoname> o_o
[16:04] <owh> So, what's the protocol, do we wait or do we start?
[16:04] <nijaba> looks like freenode is having issues...
[16:04] <nealmcb> o/
[16:04] <nijaba> owh: mathiaz is the chair usually, so as I know is is coming, let's wait for him
[16:04] <owh> nijaba: Fun, we had that over the weekend also.
[16:05] <mathiaz> Last meeting log: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080604
[16:06] <ivoks> mathiaz: openldap was an action
[16:06] <nijaba> mathiaz I believe your node on freenode was disconnected, so we did not see your intro
[16:06] <owh> The first I saw was the meeting log link, no start meeting, no coffee or donuts, nothing :)
[16:07] <Koon> yes, we were caught in the netsplit
[16:07] <mathiaz> nijaba: mmhhh - I didn't receive any message
[16:07] <nijaba> mathiaz: We did :(
[16:07] <mathiaz> this is way I felt lonely - nobody seemed to be around :/
[16:07] <ivoks> mathiaz: i did get message, too
[16:07] <ivoks> mathiaz: i was with you, come one! :D
[16:07] <ogra> so you missed all of owh's sweet navel playing
[16:07] <mathiaz> ivoks: I know - I noticed that
[16:07] <nijaba> ivoks: your are on clarke as well
[16:07] <mathiaz> ivoks: thanks :)
[16:08] <nijaba> <-- ivoks has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
[16:08] <nijaba> <-- mathiaz has quit (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
[16:08] <ivoks> anytime :)
[16:08] <lukehasnoname> Meeting, anyone?
[16:08] <mathiaz> allright - let's get started again
[16:08] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:08] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:10. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:08] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:08] <mathiaz> \o/
[16:08] <owh> Well, perhaps that's a whole discussion point in itself, freenode stability for meetings.
[16:09] <mathiaz> today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:09] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:09] <mathiaz> Last meeting log: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080604
[16:10] <mathiaz> so there was an action about openldap 2.4.9
[16:11] <mathiaz> this is has been done IIRC
[16:11] <nijaba> zul did it, yes, I saw the bugmail about it
[16:11] <mathiaz> nijaba: right - but I don't find the bug number anymore
[16:11] <ivoks> nijaba: do you have bug number?
[16:12] <nijaba> bug #237688
[16:12] <ivoks> ok, nice...
[16:12] <mathiaz> ok - so the issue is that it won't make it for 8.04.1
[16:12] <nijaba> so Pitti has acepted the rationale
[16:13] <mathiaz> and upstream has just released 2.4.10
[16:13] <mathiaz> which has more bug fixes
[16:13] <nijaba> mathiaz: really?  it is already in proposed
[16:14] <mathiaz> nijaba: not in hardy-proposed
[16:14] <nijaba> you may be right, must be mistaking then
[16:14] <mathiaz> nijaba: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openldap2.3
[16:15] <mathiaz> nijaba: zul uploaded a new package in -updates that fixes some bugs
[16:15] <mathiaz> nijaba: but it's still 2.4.7
[16:15] <ivoks> right, 2.4.10 is fixes-only
[16:15] <nijaba> mathiaz: ok, I got it mixed up
[16:15] <mathiaz> now that 8.04.1 is out-of-reach for 2.4.9
[16:15] <mathiaz> it may be worth uploading 2.4.10 to hardy
[16:16] <ivoks> for .2?
[16:16] <mathiaz> ivoks: for whenever we want
[16:16] <ivoks> oh, ok
[16:16] <nealmcb> the only difference is whether it is on the iso?  when would it be in -updates?
[16:17] <mathiaz> nealmcb: What do you mean ?
[16:17] <mathiaz> nealmcb: .1 would be on the iso yes
[16:17] <nealmcb> if it is in -updates, then everyone would get it except right on install from the 8.04.1 iso
[16:17] <mathiaz> nealmcb: 2.4.10 would be in -updates when the SRU is done
[16:17] <mathiaz> nealmcb: correct
[16:17] <nealmcb> righe - so when would that be?
[16:17] <nealmcb> long delay or pretty soon?
[16:18]  * nealmcb cares less about the iso than getting a good ldap out ther
[16:18] <nealmcb> *there
[16:18] <mathiaz> nealmcb: it's up to us really - if we take the steps to do the SRU we can get it in quickly
[16:18] <mathiaz> nealmcb: yes. first we'd had to get it into intrepid
[16:18] <mathiaz> nealmcb: once it's in intrepid, we can SRU it in hardy
[16:19] <nealmcb> or we could just go with 2.4.9?
[16:19] <mathiaz> IMO we want 2.4.10 in hardy anyway - it has some good fixes
[16:19] <nealmcb> ok
[16:19] <mathiaz> nealmcb: I guess we could upload 2.4.9 to hardy
[16:19] <mathiaz> nealmcb: and later do 2.4.10
[16:19] <nealmcb> depends on the timing
[16:20] <nealmcb> but if it fixes big bugs and is approved....
[16:20] <nealmcb> but churn is also best avoided...
[16:21] <mathiaz> zul is not around - but I think we should get 2.4.9 uploaded
[16:21] <mathiaz> and then when 2.4.10 is in intrepid we can another SRU
[16:21] <ScottK2> If 2.4.10 doesn't fix any regressions in 2.4.9, then that'd be a good sign to go ahead with 2.4.9 while we work out if we can do 2.4.10
[16:21]  * mathiaz nods
[16:22] <mathiaz> [ACTION] zul to go ahead with 2.4.9 in hardy as an SRU
[16:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to go ahead with 2.4.9 in hardy as an SRU
[16:22] <nealmcb> ScottK2: good point
[16:22] <ivoks> that was only action?
[16:23] <mathiaz> ivoks: AFAICT yes
[16:23] <nijaba> I had one with elmo.  I filed and RT and am waiting for the server to be setup for limeurvey
[16:23] <ivoks> urgh... i have to leave, sorry... i wasn't expecting this... bbl
[16:24]  * mathiaz waves at ivoks
[16:24] <mathiaz> Let's move on then
[16:24] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Intrepid Specification Status
[16:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Intrepid Specification Status
[16:25] <mathiaz> So ScottK2 asked whether we could do a status on the specifications
[16:25] <ScottK2> Yes
[16:25] <mathiaz> As of now, all specifications proposed for intrepid should be in pending aproval mode with dendrobates as an aprover
[16:26]  * ScottK2 is working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFlavorSpec
[16:26]  * ScottK2 isn't sure why it didn't get done otherwise.
[16:26] <ScottK2> I thought we'd agreed to it at UDS.
[16:26] <ScottK2> The draft is pretty solid up through the use cases.  The rest still needs work.
[16:27] <mathiaz> ScottK2: the spec relies on FAI - any reason why tasksel is not enough ?
[16:27] <ScottK2> Yes.
[16:28] <ScottK2> With tasksel we can install packages.
[16:28] <ScottK2> With FAI we can install a set of packages and configure them for a specific use.
[16:28] <nijaba> because of policy conflicts, IIRC
[16:28] <ScottK2> Right.
[16:29] <ScottK2> taskel is a package and can't touch other package configs
[16:29] <ScottK2> FAI is part of the installer acting effectively as an agent for the user.
[16:29]  * ScottK2 hopes siretart will jump in any time.
[16:29] <mathiaz> ScottK2: so that would mean to bring FAI into main
[16:31]  * CrummyGummy has read the spec.
[16:31] <CrummyGummy> This is a good idea. I might loose my job...
[16:31] <ScottK-palm> I'm having some laptop trouble right now.
[16:32] <ScottK-palm> Last thing I saw was about FAI in main.
[16:32] <nealmcb> ScottK I don't know much about FAI, but it looks good - makes it easy for folks to further customize the flavors
[16:32] <mathiaz> Ok - so what other specs people have been working on ?
[16:32] <ScottK2> He and Yes
[16:32] <ScottK-palm> I think it gives us a good basis for scalability in the enterprise.
[16:33] <nealmcb> We have had lots of discussion about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCentralizedServiceAdministrator
[16:33] <mathiaz> I've written up 4 specs about network authentication and identity managment
[16:34] <mathiaz> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/+specs?role=drafter - in pending approval mode
[16:34] <nealmcb> is this the place that should have links? https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/~dendrobates
[16:34] <mathiaz> nealmcb: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~dendrobates/+specs?role=approver
[16:34] <nealmcb> great - that helps
[16:34] <mathiaz> kirkland: what your specs ?
[16:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: what about my specs?  I have written 3
[16:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: 1) Encrypted ~/Private directory
[16:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: 2) Boot into Degraded Mode
[16:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: 3) Swapfile in the installer
[16:36] <mathiaz> kirkland: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~kirkland/+specs?role=drafter lists 5
[16:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: true, the remaining 2 are documentation related, and I'm mostly working on those in my spare time
[16:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: 4) is the documentation search, http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/search.html
[16:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: 5) is the Ubuntu Manpage Repository, http://ubuntu.dustinkirkland.com/manpages/hardy/
[16:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: as for 4), newz2000 is doing something similar, based on this for search.ubuntu.com
[16:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: is your man page site ready for a wide audience /
[16:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: ?
[16:39] <mathiaz> jdstrand: have you written up any spec for ufw in intrepid ?
[16:39] <jdstrand> sorry, I had a power 'event' here and am back online
[16:39] <jdstrand> I have no backlog
[16:40] <jdstrand> mathiaz: no spec for ufw as what was discussed was just refining the old spec
[16:40]  * nijaba wonder if the power event is chipmunk related
[16:40] <Koon> the return of the revenge of the chipmunk
[16:40] <jdstrand> I think it is more lightning-related
[16:40] <mathiaz> Koon: any news on the j2ee front ?
[16:41] <kirkland> (sorry, I have a nasty kernel hang that has bitten me 3 times during this meeting)
[16:41] <Koon> mathiaz: dendrobates was supposed to push the question up
[16:41] <jdstrand> just a guess
[16:41] <mathiaz> Koon: right - so your technical investigation is finished
[16:42] <Koon> mathiaz: yes. The final impression is that it's a costly move, but technically (alwaysà possible
[16:42] <Koon> s/à/)
[16:42] <mathiaz> Koon: ok.
[16:42] <nealmcb> this one from soren looks like it is old - perhaps dendrobates should be removed as approver or something? https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-easy-business-server
[16:42] <mathiaz> Anyeone else wants to add something about spec for intrepid ?
[16:43] <mathiaz> nealmcb: may be - but only him can do that
[16:43] <nealmcb> several others like that I guess
[16:43] <ScottK-palm> I'd just like to hear from dendroabtes that mine is being  considered.
[16:43] <mathiaz> nealmcb: he said he would clean up all the blueprints
[16:44] <sommer> mathiaz: the intrepid-serverguide spec
[16:44] <sommer> I've got a good start on the samba sections... just fyi
[16:45] <nealmcb> on the spec front I'm mainly interested in the plan for gui admin - I've seen several....
[16:45] <Koon> mathiaz: did Dan Shearer convert his ideas to the blueprint format somewhere ?
[16:45] <Koon> forget it, I found them.
[16:46] <kirkland> Koon: i got several emails from danshearer pointing to specs that he started
[16:46] <lukehasnoname> nealmcb: I think the only conclusion reached is that it won't be X based
[16:46] <mathiaz> nealmcb: right - have you seen http://augeas.net/ ?
[16:47] <lukehasnoname> Whether it's based on ebox or written in CLI with a front end has yet to be decided
[16:47] <nealmcb> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/~danshearer
[16:47] <mathiaz> nealmcb: that seems like a good approach on the backend side
[16:47] <nealmcb> mathiaz: yeah - briefly - I linked to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCentralizedServiceAdministrator
[16:48] <nealmcb> I wonder what ebox thinks of augeas
[16:49] <nealmcb> perhaps next week we can get nvxl and the ebox guy and dan and make that an agenda item?
[16:50] <nealmcb> and continue to discuss on the wiki and mail list in the meantime...
[16:50] <mathiaz> nealmcb: we could - may be start a thread on the ml
[16:50] <nealmcb> :)
[16:50] <mathiaz> nealmcb: right - I'll add an item to the meeting agenda and make sure to invite them to the meeting
[16:51] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to invite the ebox developer, nxvl and dan shearer to the meeting to discuss system adminstration framework
[16:51] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to invite the ebox developer, nxvl and dan shearer to the meeting to discuss system adminstration framework
[16:51] <nealmcb> ...and gui...
[16:52] <mathiaz> Anything else on the spec front ?
[16:53] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:53] <mathiaz> We're still doing a lot of merges
[16:54] <mathiaz> main has 299 outstanding merges
[16:54] <mathiaz> http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[16:54] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[16:54] <mathiaz> and universe has 298 outstanding merges
[16:54] <mathiaz> http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[16:54] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[16:55] <mathiaz> anyone interested in packaging should have a look at these lists
[16:56] <mathiaz> And it's time to get prepared for some iso testing
[16:56] <Hobbsee> \o/ one merge on there for me
[16:56] <Koon> mathiaz: I will have a look at that
[16:56] <Koon> (the merges)
[16:56] <mathiaz> as we're hoping for an Alpha1 release on thursday
[16:57] <mathiaz> So don't forget to stop by #ubuntu-testing and the iso testing tracker to help out
[16:57] <mathiaz> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:57] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:58] <mathiaz> That's all folks
[16:58] <nijaba> thanks mathiaz
[16:58] <nealmcb> question
[16:59] <nealmcb> with an emphasis on virtualization, what part of iso testing could/should be done with vms?
[16:59] <mathiaz> nealmcb: I tend to do all the software testing in vms
[16:59]  * nealmcb should read that link again first :)
[16:59] <nijaba> nealmcb: vm for 99% of the tests
[16:59] <nealmcb> I guess I mean ubuntu-vm-builder....
[16:59] <mathiaz> nealmcb: such as testing the different use cases outlined in the Server Install page
[17:00] <mathiaz> nealmcb: u-v-m doesn't help
[17:00] <nijaba> nealmcb: uvb does not apply as we are talking iso
[17:00] <mathiaz> nealmcb: as it doesn't exercise the iso
[17:00] <nealmcb> if we are pushing it, more testing of/with it might make sense
[17:00] <mathiaz> nealmcb: I use vms with preseeded iso and set the vm to boot from the iso
[17:00] <nealmcb> thanks
[17:01] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time.
[17:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time.
[17:01] <CrummyGummy> Is there any work being done to get vendors to support ubuntu-server?
[17:01] <mathiaz> Next week, same place, same time ?
[17:01] <owh> mathiaz: Earlier would be good :)
[17:01] <nijaba> owh: not for mathiaz ;)
[17:02] <Koon> I like that time :)
[17:02]  * owh is at midnight, but I understand the pain others have gone through, so I'll tough it out if I have to.
[17:02]  * owh is normally asleep by 9pm :) - awake at 5am :)
[17:03] <owh> Seriously, don't change it for me alone.
[17:03] <mathiaz> owh: well - as of now, this time slot suits most of the people
[17:04] <mathiaz> so see you next week, same time, same place.
[17:04] <mathiaz> thanks for attending and happy merging !
[17:04] <sommer> thanks mathiaz, later on all
[17:04] <owh> Thanks all. Thanks mathiaz
[17:04] <owh> o/
[17:04] <Koon> o/
[17:04] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[17:04] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:06.
[17:12] <siretart> ScottK-laptop: sorry, was at work :(
[17:21] <popey> @schedule
[18:24] <stgraber> Seveas: hmm, the fridge wasn't updated this time ?
[18:32] <Seveas> apparently not
[18:32] <Seveas> pity
[18:34] <Seveas> stgraber, meeting is in 30 minutes, right?
[18:34] <forumsmatthew> Seveas, that's what I was thinking...
[18:34] <stgraber> Seveas: yep
[18:35] <Seveas> 2/5 candidates are here
[18:35] <forumsmatthew> 3
[18:35] <Seveas> 2/6, sorry
[18:35] <Seveas> I only see meisok and rhkfin
[18:35] <forumsmatthew> I was thinking committee members...my bad
[18:35] <phanatic> i'll be able to attend the meeting only for an hour
[18:36] <Seveas> phanatic, I don't think we need that much time
[18:36] <Seveas> 6 candidates
[18:36] <Seveas> 2 still with empty wikipages
[18:36] <Seveas> 1 is kmos
[18:36] <phanatic> oh, that should be enough then...
[18:36] <rhkfin> Hey, has the time been changed? I read it was 1800 GMT..?
[18:36] <rhkfin> I hate time zones.. but anyway, I'm ready..
[18:37] <Seveas> 1800 UTC is in 24 minutes
[18:37] <Seveas> @now
[18:37] <Seveas> ubottu needs to be fixed
[18:38] <Myrtti> merh.
[18:39] <Seveas> hey dear
[18:39] <Myrtti> emea meeting?
[18:39] <Seveas> yuo
[18:40] <Myrtti> not in calendars.
[18:40] <Myrtti> hence merh.
[18:42] <Seveas> popey, phanatic: doodle please :)
[18:43] <phanatic> Seveas: doodle'd already...
[18:43] <Seveas> ah, sorry, mismatch between name and nick in my brain
[18:43] <Seveas> PriceChild, you still need to doodle
[18:43] <phanatic> no problem :)
[18:44] <stgraber> Seveas: can you send me the URL to next meeting doodle again ? (it's probably lost somewhere in my mails :))
[18:44] <Seveas> http://doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=8xt3diunc9ugeaiu
[18:44] <Seveas> you already doodled
[18:46] <forumsmatthew> re: doodle.... I had a change of plans, but lost the link to adjust my details. I am no longer free on the 17th...
[18:47] <stgraber> forumsmatthew: click "edit an entry" (top left) and change yours
[18:48] <forumsmatthew> stgraber, thanks. That was easy. I need to learn to read the words on the screen, I guess. :)
[18:49] <Myrtti> Seveas: may I have a word before you start?
[18:50] <Seveas> Myrtti, sure
[18:50] <Seveas> Myrtti, you might as well shout now, board members are here
[18:51] <Myrtti> last week after the Americas membership meeting there seemed to be some misunderstanding about where the cloaks should be requested. I know this is not the case here, but I'd like to remind everyone present that the IRC cloaks are requested at #ubuntu-irc, if on any channel.
[18:51] <Myrtti> thanks.
[18:52] <Seveas> Myrtti, is the wikipage updated to say that, last time I looked (a while ago) -ops was the place to go
[18:52] <Myrtti> Seveas: Pici checked them out IIRC and there should be -irc everywhere
[18:52] <toros> hi
[19:00] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, popey, PriceChild, stgraber, phanatic, available?
[19:00] <forumsmatthew> ready
[19:00] <phanatic> yep
[19:00] <stgraber> yep
[19:01] <Seveas> Daviey, could you send popey another NMI? :)
[19:01] <Seveas> and if someone can send PriceChild one, that'd be appreciated
[19:02]  * stgraber goes back to reading wikipages while waiting for popey and PriceChild
[19:02] <Daviey> haha
[19:03] <Daviey> i'll phone him
[19:03] <Seveas> Daviey, hey it worked last week :)
[19:04]  * popey arrives
[19:04] <popey> sorry
[19:04] <popey> putting kids to bed
[19:04] <forumsmatthew> that's a worthwhile reason
[19:04] <Daviey> that ol' chestnut
[19:04] <forumsmatthew> you are excused :)
[19:04] <popey> heh
[19:05] <Seveas> we're 5/7 now, good enough to approve people
[19:05] <Seveas> shall we start?
[19:05] <forumsmatthew> +1
[19:06] <stgraber> yes
[19:06]  * popey is glad that searching the wiki for emea results in only one hit - handy
[19:06] <Seveas> meisok, you're the first candidate on the list who showed up. Please introduce yourself
[19:07] <meisok> oks
[19:07] <Seveas> ( toros, rhkfin, please prepare an introduction of ~3 lines in a text editor so you can copy-paste it when it's your turn)
[19:07] <meisok>  My name is Javier Ferreiro, I'm 30 years old. I'm admin of  the ubuntu-es.org for 1 year and 2 months.
[19:07] <meisok> my main contribution will be relations between spanish LoCo teams through the irc, artwork for ubuntu-es, and I participate in all projects that I can and that allows me time.
[19:07] <meisok> my launchpad page:https://launchpad.net/~meisok
[19:07] <meisok> and my wiki page:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Meisok
[19:08] <popey> meisok: do you run the -es bots?
[19:08] <Seveas> +1 based on long time locoteam work
[19:08] <meisok> yes, witd jpatrick
[19:09] <meisok> *with
[19:09] <beuno> I'd like to express my support for meisok, he's been rocking the spanish community for ages
[19:09] <Seveas> yeah, the wikipage shows that as well, good work
[19:09] <popey> +1 based on testimonials
[19:09] <beuno> I would of thought he made membership a long time ago   :)
[19:10] <forumsmatthew> +1 based on testimonials and loco work
[19:10] <phanatic> +1 (loco work + testimonials9
[19:10] <Seveas> stgraber?
[19:11] <stgraber> +1
[19:11] <Seveas> excellent
[19:11] <beuno> yay!  congrats meisok   :)
[19:11] <Seveas> congrats meisok!
[19:11] <meisok> wow thanks1!!!
[19:11] <Seveas> toros, you're up
[19:11] <toros> I am a Hungarian Ubuntu LoCo activist. I was born in 1982. I live in Budapest, and I work as a copywriter for an advertising agency. I am an Ubuntu user, open source enthusiast, and FSF.hu (Free Software Foundation Hungary) activist. I write all kind of stuff including news, articles, documentation, press releases, etc.
[19:11] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!
[19:11] <meisok> thanks all! ;)
[19:11] <toros> I wrote the first Hungarian Ubuntu book, called Ubuntu Világa (The World of Ubuntu) - this is not a book about how to use Ubuntu, but a book about the history, philosophy and technical background of free software and Ubuntu.
[19:12] <toros> I am the coordinator of the Hungarian Ubuntu Documentation team - now, we are working on a project, to move our documentation to launchpad, usind reStructuredText format and Bazaar VCS.
[19:12] <toros> I am also active in organising release parties and other kind of Ubuntu and open source related events. Next monday we will have a meeting for open source enthusiast, called Free Software Evenings. I am a co-organiser of this meeting (together with phanatic ;) ). In july, I will travel with other LoCo activists to a local festival, called Hegyalja Fesztivál, to propagate Ubuntu.
[19:12] <phanatic> toros is an essential member of the hungarian loco team. he's been helping new community members, and he is involved in all parts of the community.
[19:13] <Seveas> phanatic, toros: why ubuntu.hu and not ubuntu-hu.org? :)
[19:14] <toros> ubuntu.hu is more obvious for hungarian people
[19:14] <phanatic> i don't really have an explanation for that. it just happened this way. the site is actually pretty old (started back in 2005)
[19:14] <Seveas> you should at least get ubuntu-hu.org forwarded there
[19:14] <popey> toros: how many people use the blog on the site?
[19:15] <popey> http://ubuntu.hu/blog
[19:15] <stgraber> as you are an approved LoCo you really should forward ubuntu-hu.org to ubuntu.hu instead of having the current placeholders
[19:15] <phanatic> Seveas: we'll work on that
[19:15] <toros> We have more than 5000 registered users - but only about 1 percent uses the blog
[19:15] <popey> thats still pretty impressive
[19:16] <popey> do they blog directly on the site or is it aggregated via rss from their own blogs?
[19:16] <Tm_T> very good indeed
[19:16] <Seveas> +1 based largely on phanatic's testimonial. My hungarian isn't good enough to judge ubuntu.hu content :)
[19:16] <forumsmatthew> between the book, the wiki work, the loco, and the documentation work, I am definitely +1
[19:16] <PriceChild> I'm here sorry, been working outside and lost track of time.
[19:16] <toros> directly on the site
[19:16] <popey> thats great toros
[19:16] <Seveas> PriceChild, he
[19:16] <Seveas> hey
[19:16] <popey> +1 based on loco work
[19:16] <stgraber> +1, testimonials and loco work
[19:16] <toros> thanks :)
[19:16] <forumsmatthew> PriceChild, lol
[19:17] <phanatic> +1 from me of course :)
[19:17] <PriceChild> forumsmatthew: is it that hard to believe?
[19:17] <Seveas> 5 +1's
[19:17] <Seveas> PriceChild, do you want to vote?
[19:17] <forumsmatthew> PriceChild, outdoors? what's that?
[19:17] <PriceChild> I'm a +1 for toros :)
[19:17] <Seveas> k
[19:18] <Seveas> +6 then, congrats!
[19:18] <toros> thanks a lot! :)
[19:18] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!
[19:18] <Seveas> rhkfin, you're up
[19:18] <Tm_T> welcome :)
[19:18] <phanatic> congrats toros :)
[19:18] <Myrtti> congrats
[19:18] <rhkfin> Ok, hi there! I'm Risto Kurppa from Finland, physics & CS student at Uni Helsinki. I've been an active member of Ubuntu-fi since early 2006. You can see the stuff I've done on the wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RistoHKurppa
[19:18] <rhkfin> I'm kind of bored of people sticking only to forums or irc and not actively try to spread Linux an OSS. One example of this is passiveness is that we currently have only three (great!) Ubuntu members in Finland. So I'm trying to get people to do other stuff do and see the bigger picture Linux and OS can have.
[19:18] <Seveas> more finnish people?
[19:18] <Seveas> Myrtti, have you been spamming again? :)
[19:19] <rhkfin> Today I started to activate women in finland.. Let's see what happens..
[19:19] <Tm_T> Seveas: no she hasnt ;)
[19:19] <Myrtti> rhkfin: I swear to Gaia no :-D
[19:19] <Tm_T> rhkfin is one of our workhorses <3
[19:19] <Myrtti> rhkfin: FOUR
[19:19] <rhkfin> :)
[19:19] <Myrtti> rhkfin: Tm_T ^
[19:19] <rhkfin> Tm_T: ah... when did it happen.. congrats..
[19:20] <forumsmatthew> I love this: "Risto's picture is used as illustration to Code of Conduct"
[19:20] <Seveas> Myrtti, would you vote +1 for rhkfin ?
[19:20] <rhkfin> so, questions anyone?
[19:20] <Tm_T> rhkfin: I was the first
[19:20] <Myrtti> Seveas: I would
[19:20] <rhkfin> Tm_T: oh..
[19:20] <popey> rhkfin: how often would you be releasing your podcast?
[19:20] <Tm_T> Seveas: 100 % sure +1 from me
[19:21] <rhkfin> popey: IT's been only 4 times so far (in a year or so), next episode is about to be released. I'd wish more people participating there..
[19:21] <Seveas>   +1 from me
[19:21] <rhkfin> But I think once a month is a max the community can do..
[19:21] <forumsmatthew> +1
[19:21] <Myrtti> rhkfin: don't you even dare asking me... ;-)
[19:21] <popey> ( I wont say we do two a month ;) )
[19:21] <rhkfin> Myrtti: no, I'm waiting for people to let me know they want to do it :)
[19:21] <Myrtti> I even took a piccie of Risto at Hardy release fest...
[19:22] <rhkfin> popey: yeah, I'm jeallous..
[19:22] <Tm_T> Myrtti: evidence :)
[19:22] <rhkfin> Yep, the next episode will be Mirv (Timo Jyrinki) presenting Ubuntu at the release party
[19:22] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2442088341/
[19:22] <rhkfin> So, more questions.. ?
[19:22] <rhkfin> Myrtti: that's mean :)
[19:22] <Myrtti> Mirv is in the right and rhkfin on the left
[19:22] <popey> rhkfin: i see you have done some translation, is that something you plan to do more of, or is your language well covered?
[19:22] <Myrtti> rhkfin: :-P
[19:24] <phanatic> +1 for the huge amount of community work
[19:24] <rhkfin> thanks!
[19:24] <Tm_T> popey: it's not well covered yet, but we try to do as much as possible in small prints in time to time, similar to hug (bug) days, he's there atleast then I keep sure of it
[19:25] <Myrtti> there he is, just in time :-P
[19:25] <Mirv> yay for rhkfin from here :)
[19:25] <rhkfin> :)
[19:25] <popey> +1
[19:25] <stgraber> +1 too
[19:25] <rhkfin> popey: stgraber thank you
[19:26] <PriceChild> +1
[19:26] <rhkfin> PriceChild: thank you
[19:26] <Seveas> +6 it is
[19:26] <Seveas> congrats!
[19:26] <rhkfin> Thank you! So now we're five but we'll try to multiply ourselves soon.. When was the next EMEA meeting :)   And the Finnish LoCo is relatively one of the most active in the world :) (5milj finnish speakers, about 7600 forum registrants
[19:26] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!
[19:26] <Seveas> popey, did you hear anyting from the israelians?
[19:26] <rhkfin> Thank you!
[19:26] <Myrtti> *hali*
[19:26] <popey> Seveas: should I have?
[19:27] <Seveas> popey, yes, you said you would contact them to see when they will fill their pages and come to the meeting
[19:27] <popey> erk
[19:27] <rhkfin> Myrtti: :)
[19:27] <popey> my bad
[19:28] <Seveas> ok, let's keep them on there for one more week
[19:28] <popey> ok
[19:28] <Seveas> kmos reappplied
[19:28] <popey> will poke them
[19:28] <Seveas> I'll poke him
[19:28] <rhkfin> AFIK the time link on the EMEA page fails, I'd have been here 2 hours later.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA -> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=6&day=10&year=2008&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[19:28] <Seveas> rhkfin, oops, my bad
[19:28] <Myrtti> would you please make sure that the meetings are in the fridge calendar too
[19:28] <rhkfin> It shows Helsinki & Jerusalem 23:00 and we starter at 21:00..
[19:28] <Mirv> yup, the link has hours wrontg
[19:28] <Myrtti> because as the topic states, there isn't a meeting here at all
[19:28] <Seveas> Myrtti, blame that on the fridge people, I sent them the info
[19:29] <Mirv> rhkfin: congrats.
[19:29] <Myrtti> blah
[19:29] <Myrtti> I will
[19:29] <rhkfin> But anyway, thanks for everybody..
[19:29] <Myrtti> I'll SHUN them
[19:29] <popey> Seveas: where did you send it?
[19:29] <Seveas> popey, their shuny new address
[19:29] <popey> i dont see it
[19:29] <popey> (I am one of them)
[19:29] <Seveas> hmm, strange
[19:30] <Seveas> http://doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=8xt3diunc9ugeaiu is suddenlt empty, wtf
[19:30] <popey><EMAIL_ADDRESS>should work
[19:30] <stgraber> popey: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2008-June/000032.html
[19:30] <Seveas> ah someone deleted it all, that serves my right for sharing the link in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:31] <Seveas> whoever did that: die please
[19:31] <forumsmatthew> sigh, some people
[19:31] <Myrtti> ta-tah
[19:31]  * Tm_T hides
[19:31] <Seveas> shall we reschedule same time and day next week?
[19:31] <Tm_T> ok, my internet time is up, will have my own connection next week etc, see you all later ->
[19:31] <popey> sure
[19:31] <stgraber> Seveas: I have it open
[19:31] <Seveas> iirc only phanatic had that red (but he has most of the week red)
[19:32] <forumsmatthew> I will be traveling, starting the 17th until the 24th. I trust all of you in my absence, though.
[19:32] <PriceChild> I'm fine with anything apart from 18th (afaik)
[19:32] <phanatic> Seveas: yes, my next week is pretty messy.
[19:32] <stgraber> http://www.stgraber.org/download/doodle.png
[19:32] <stgraber> that was the doodle before it was destroyed
[19:33] <Seveas> stgraber, thanks
[19:33] <Seveas> ok, same time&day next week it is
[19:33] <forumsmatthew> that sounds fine. sorry I'll miss it. Hopefully I'll be at the one after
[19:33] <Seveas> meeting ends, thanks all!
[19:33] <popey> thanks
[19:33] <stgraber> thanks
[19:34] <rhkfin> Thank yo
[19:34] <forumsmatthew> thanks, all
[19:36] <phanatic> thanks all
[20:22] <rhkfin> popey: you asked about the translating stuff.. Mirv (+more) has it pretty well covered and I don't feel I'm good at it but have my mission elsewhere. At some stage I just tried some lines and also started to translate KPhotoalbum but never finished - it's not my area of expertise..
[20:49] <Pretto> nixternal, ping
[20:53] <nixternal> Pretto: pong