[00:08] <CouchOkie> jeez there's a lot of people here
[00:08] <sarnold> don't worry most are working or asleep or something
[00:08] <AJ_Z0> We are quietly judging you
[00:09]  * CouchOkie does feel quietly judges
[00:10] <rany> everybody is watching
[00:10] <avion> question. how do I unlock a 19.10 usb I want to rewrite because the computer doesnt see boot information. It seems to be locked to read only. How do I change that?
[00:10] <rany> avion, you mean you want to write data to a live usb
[00:11] <rany> yes?
[00:12] <avion> rany not quite. I have a usb and I want to overwrite it all as a persistent 1910 ...  https://pasteboard.co/J53IEUP.png
[00:12] <avion> right now it is not a boot medium. I did not make it.
[00:13] <rany> ah I see, I dont know how to do it manually but look into unetbootin
[00:13] <rany> it does that automatically for you
[00:14] <avion> i followed some webpage directions. maybe I needed a sudo
[00:14] <avion> I will try it again. thanks. better just to redo it.
[00:15] <avion> CouchOkie, there are always a lot of people "apparently" here. I expect that they can scroll back and learnsomething if they eer get around to it.
[00:16] <avion> or if their name gets called.
[00:17] <rany> I am usually afk but i visit occasionally
[00:17] <rany> irc logs are public, no need to scroll back ;)
[00:20] <CouchOkie> and the logs go back to 2004.  impressive
[00:54] <kolaman> Hi All
[00:55] <kolaman> Can we upgrade to ubuntu 20.04 LTS from 18.04 ?  I tried and getting this There is no development version of an LTS available.
[00:55] <kolaman> To upgrade to the latest non-LTS develoment release
[00:57] <Bashing-om> kolaman: what shows ' grep -i ^prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ' ?
[00:57] <jStefan> kolaman, try asking in ubuntu+1 too
[00:57] <kolaman> Prompt=lts Bashing-om
[00:58] <kolaman> isn't ubuntu 20.04 lts available for release ?
[00:58] <jStefan> not yet, soon
[00:58] <pragmaticenigma> typically, LTS upgrades are not released until the first .1 release  (typically in July)
[00:58] <Bashing-om> kolaman: Should workie - #ubuntu+1 for continued assistance.
[00:58] <kolaman> ah ok so to upgade I need to wait for july pragmaticenigma
[00:59] <Jordan_U> kolaman: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html says that "-d" is used for upgrading LTS to LTS before the first point release. I expect that after 20.04 is released (tomorrow) you will be able to use do-release-upgrade --devel-release to upgrade. The recommendation is to wait for 20.04.1 before upgrading.
[01:00] <pragmaticenigma> Jordan_U: that isn't correct.. .the -d enables the development channel. meaning that you would get the next version, however, as soon as 20.10 is started, the system  will update to that
[01:00] <jStefan> kolaman, there might be a way to upgrade to a pre-release version, but that's not for the context of this channel. and we about 1 day away.
[01:01] <pragmaticenigma> From https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html: Upgrading to a development release is not recommended for production environments.
[01:01] <johnflux> Where should I install a local 32bit library?   Looking for an equilavent for /usr/local but for 32bit
[01:01] <pragmaticenigma> which also would apply to someone running Ubuntu on their daily use machine
[01:02] <kolaman> Thanks pragmaticenigma , I'll wait for one more day (23 started in my region) :)
[01:02] <jStefan> pragmaticenigma, would it still tag to 20.10 if update-manager is set to lts? wouldn't it try to find a 22.04 lts?
[01:03] <Jordan_U> pragmaticenigma: Since there isn't a direct upgrade path from Ubuntu 18.04 to 20.10 I would not expect --devel-release to upgrade to it either. Are you saying that the documentation at https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html is wrong? Do you have a better reference? If so, we should edit the documentation.
[01:05] <pragmaticenigma> Jordan_U: Your question doesn't make any sense to me
[01:06] <jStefan> you probably meant mine
[01:06] <Jordan_U> pragmaticenigma: I quoted information from the official documentation. You said that information was wrong. If it is wrong, then the documentation should be fixed.
[01:08] <pragmaticenigma> Jordan_U: I'll clarify... Using -d should only be used if the user intended to remain on the development channel. It should not be recommended as a way to upgrade a machine to 20.04.
[01:11] <pragmaticenigma> If a user wants to be on 20.04 at time of release, the best method is to install fresh. The upgrade path hasn't been finished and using -d doesn't force the upgrade, it places the machine into the development release channel.
[01:11] <Jordan_U> pragmaticenigma: That doesn't seem to match what the official documentation says "If you want to update before, e.g. on a subset of machines to evaluate the LTS upgrade for your setup the same argument as an upgrade to a dev release has to be used via the -d switch." There is no warning that using do-release-upgrade -d to upgrade to 20.04 after release, but before release of 20.04.1, will lead to your
[01:11] <Jordan_U> Ubuntu install trying to upgrade to 20.10 before it is released. I also think that it is unlikely that that is how upgrades would work, from my experience and understanding of how upgrades work. Should we add a warning about to the documentation? If so, do you have a source for your information?
[01:12] <pragmaticenigma> Jordan_U: in the very same article you quoted is a warning about using the "-d" switch. "Upgrading to a development release is not recommended for production environments." Which applies to everyday machines.
[01:12] <pragmaticenigma> if someone is has a test system, and doesn't mind buggy behavior, then sure "-d" to your hearts content
[01:13] <Jordan_U> pragmaticenigma: Indeed, which is why in my original comment that is what I said. We are in agreement on that point. We are not in agreement about your second point, and I am becomming more certain that you are wrong on that point.
[01:14] <pragmaticenigma> Jordan_U: I'm trying to track down where I found my information
[01:17] <jStefan> the question is, after tomorrow, and when 20.10 development starts, but there is no 20.04.1 yet. And someone on 18.04 lts uses the -d parameter, will the result be 20.10 development version, or 20.04 lts (release version, but not recommended cause point release is not out)
[01:18] <sarnold> do-release-upgrade -d should use whatever this file is saying is 'new' https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development
[01:18] <jStefan> I thought prompt on /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades still took effect.
[01:18] <sarnold> and I think the non--d version uses https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[01:26] <pragmaticenigma> Jordan_U: What sarnold had said... that's what I was meaning. When the file that is at "https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development" has a version number greater than the currently installed version number, I believe it triggers the upgrade prompt. I don't believe the "developer channel" has a concept of LTS versus regular release, and looking at the file that was posted, there doesn't appear to be anything flagging
[01:26] <pragmaticenigma> those releases as LTS and regular.
[01:31] <glick> hi does anyone run hashicorp vault on ubuntu?
[01:32] <glick> im having some trouble starting it and not understanding what im doing wrong
[01:33] <jStefan> so what will be the result of doing the instructions on the help page, after 20.10 development starts, but before the point release of lts is out?
[01:51] <pragmaticenigma> jStefan: which help page?
[01:52] <jStefan> pragmaticenigma, https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[01:54] <pragmaticenigma> jStefan: When the link that sarnold posted is updated to include 20.10... you will receive a prompt that an upgrade is available. that happens regardless of the point release
[01:54] <danke> So i'm in a bit of a pickle here, having issues running 'make' and it seems the issue is with my python installs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2KjK2YdHnG/
[01:55] <danke> looks like i might have python3.6 all mixed up here but i'm unsure as to how i would be able to correct it without messing up my whole system
[01:56] <pragmaticenigma> jStefan: The "point releases" are when packages are merged into the main repos and new images are released for the LTS to reduce the number of updates a user has to perform after install.
[01:56] <pragmaticenigma> jStefan: Updated/patched packages are merged into the main repos
[01:59] <jStefan> pragmaticenigma, so what the help page says will not wok if development of 20.10 started and there's no point release 20.04.1 yet
[01:59] <jStefan> work*
[02:01] <pragmaticenigma> jStefan: You're mixing things up
[02:01] <pragmaticenigma> jStefan: Let's simplify. If you prefer or require the usage of LTS releases. Do not use the -d option with do-release-upgarde
[02:03] <jStefan> pragmaticenigma, the help page is not that simplified, it mentions -d
[02:03] <pragmaticenigma> jStefan: you're also mixing up terms and parts of what was said
[02:06] <jStefan> pragmaticenigma, what I understood is, if you want to upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 after it's released but before the point release is out you need -d. But what happens if 20.10 is the latest "Development version" ?
[02:06] <pragmaticenigma> jStefan: That is wrong
[02:06] <pragmaticenigma> that is what I'm trying to tell you
[02:07] <pragmaticenigma> jStefan: at the very least, that is incomplete
[02:08] <pragmaticenigma> jStefan: Officially there are LTS releases and normal/regular releases. There is also development releases. When you use the "-d" option with "do-release-upgrade" you will join that machine to the development channel. Which is completely different and has nothing to do with the release cycles of LTS and regular releases
[02:09] <jStefan> pragmaticenigma, then the help page needs to be fixed
[02:10] <oerheks> upgrade in your settings give 'to  LTS' or 'to any release, pretty clear
[02:10] <pragmaticenigma> jStefan: there is nothing wrong with the page. It clearly states that using the "-d" option "upgrades to a development version of Ubuntu"
[02:10] <oerheks> carefull with the -d option, it might mix things up
[02:10] <housecat> "LTS systems are only automatically considered for an upgrade to the next LTS via do-release-upgrade with the first point release. So for example 14.04 will only upgrade once 16.04.1 is released. If you want to update before, e.g. on a subset of machines to evaluate the LTS upgrade for your setup the same argument as an upgrade to a dev release has to be used via the -d switch. "
[02:11] <housecat> that's a bit misleading.
[02:11] <jStefan> housecat, definitely misleading
[02:12] <pragmaticenigma> I would agree partially... I don't think there is anything misleading... My feeling is the page is incomplete
[02:12] <jStefan> setting ourselves in that point in time, it I read it as to go from 14.04 to 16.04 before any point release you need -d
[02:13] <pragmaticenigma> You have to read the entire document from top-to-bottom... you would then have seen the part about the development release channel as well as the warning.
[02:13] <pragmaticenigma> If you were about to read a book, would you start with the last page? or would you start from the beginning?
[02:13] <housecat> dear lord
[02:14] <r3dux> n #linuxmint
[02:15] <oerheks> next week, when the development of 20.10 starts, so -d would be funny to see
[02:15] <housecat> it'll be a while before -d starts pointing at 20.10
[02:15] <jStefan> by friday, 20.04 would be officially out, the document suggests to use -d because there is no point release yet. that would only work as long as 20.10 doesn't exist. that's misleading.
[02:15] <oerheks> ..
[02:15] <housecat> i'm unsure whether it'll actually happen before or after 20.04.1 comes out. it takes a while, so there's a good chance it'll be after
[02:16] <oerheks> wrong, that is utterly correct
[02:16] <housecat> istr last time around it (deliberately) happened after
[02:16] <housecat> but anyway. that really should be clarified somewhere :\
[02:16] <oerheks> development starts as the name is announced?
[02:17] <housecat> oerheks: do-release-upgrade -d does not point to the next development release immediately after development starts.
[02:18] <pragmaticenigma> housecat: where do you have that information from?
[02:18] <oerheks> that is what happened with focal, IIRC
[02:23] <pragmaticenigma> housecat: do-release-upgrade -d changes the URL it normally monitors for upgrades "https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release" to the development channel "https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development" ... when that second link gets its information updated... that's when the system update tools will start notifying there is a release to upgrade to. I have not been able to find any documentation that dictates when that
[02:23] <pragmaticenigma> file will be updated, so I would take that to mean it is completely up to the development teams to choose when they publish and update that file.
[02:23] <housecat> pragmaticenigma: I'm well aware of how do-release-upgrade works, thanks.
[02:24] <housecat> It's unfortunate that changelogs.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to be under version control. It'd make it significantly easier to educate people who rely more on Google than on experience.
[02:24] <pragmaticenigma> housecat: you're making baseless assumptions without putting any proof of your statements. In all honestly, you don't know, so don't make your assumptions out to be fact without some sort of published documentation on the official ubuntu domain
[02:26] <jStefan> in any case, i think last time i had to upgrade an lts "early", i did what oerheks suggested and changed the prompt to any release. then changed it back after the update.
[02:27] <jStefan> i really don't remember all that well, it was a few years ago xD
[02:27] <pragmaticenigma> jStefan: That will work, yes... part of the point release wait is because at the .1 release point, the upgrade bugs will have been properly worked out
[02:28] <pragmaticenigma> or at least most of the bugs will have been addressed
[02:28] <oerheks> *whatever you do*, keep a fresh iso on usb ready
[02:28] <jStefan> :)
[02:28] <pragmaticenigma> even better... make a back up of your system before you run any upgrade
[02:29] <pragmaticenigma> then you have an undo button with less work
[02:29] <jStefan> in that last case, we weren't too attached to was on that system had something gone wrong.
[02:31] <pragmaticenigma> I've learned... when you have a backup... it seems nothing ever goes wrong
[02:36] <housecat> pragmaticenigma: just checked with a release team member and they've confirmed that I'm correct
[02:37] <kenperkins> can someone tell me why I should continune to use systemd-resolvd rather than what my dhcp provides?
[02:37] <housecat> pragmaticenigma: specifically: < bdmurray> housecat: you are absolutely correct and release upgrades from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS will not be enabled until 20.04.1 and you are also correct that do-release-upgrade -d on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS will point to Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
[02:38] <pragmaticenigma> housecat: that's incomplete
[02:39] <housecat> pragmaticenigma: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3ed61f4b/
[02:39] <pragmaticenigma> housecat: it's also hearsay... Until I see it published and documented on an Ubuntu domain website
[02:40] <pragmaticenigma> housecat: you are taking one persons word... you didn't provide what channel that was stated in... and you posting a link to pastebin (on debian's site no less) is all highly suspicious
[02:41] <el> pragmaticenigma: please take a step back and stop bad faith accusations here
[02:41] <DalekSec> ....Which pastebin you use changes the validity..?  That's something.
[02:42] <tripelbb> 1804 wanting to make a persistent usb of 1910 using the entire 8g usb. -- saw this and was confused. what does this mean -->  Mkusb will use ‘the whole device’, actually only the head end (size of the iso file), but the rest of the device is not available.
[02:42] <pragmaticenigma> el: I won't step back from inaccurate information being handed out
[02:43] <oerheks> tripelbb, step by step, https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html
[02:43] <jStefan> the docs do set an example of -d, my only doubt is what is the expected result depending on which point of time it is performed at.
[02:43] <tripelbb> oerheks, mij buddy
[02:43] <el> pragmaticenigma: inaccurate information is not being given out. an op has intervened to correct information including seeking advice from the release team
[02:44] <el> actually i mispeak, the op intervened to prevent inaccurate information being given out by seeking the advice from the release team
[02:44] <housecat> jStefan: If you use do-release-upgrade -d on 18.04 before the release of 20.04.1, you will go to 20.04. If you use do-release-upgrade on 18.04 after the release of 20.04.1, you will go to 20.04(.1).
[02:45] <jStefan> housecat, that seems pretty clear. Even if development of 20.10 has been started?
[02:45] <tripelbb> yes this page more precisely. same site. https://www.linuxuprising.com/search/max-results=12?q=make+persistent+usb
[02:45] <housecat> jStefan: Correct.
[02:46] <tripelbb> yes this page more precisely. same site. https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html
[02:53] <tripelbb>  now it is a 19.10 that wont boot)
[02:54] <tripelbb> whoa my whole line vanished.
[02:56] <tripelbb> it did not ask me if I want the dus version as the page said. - then it asks me "if I expect the drive to contain filesystems other than VFAT or ISO 9600" - I dont know if they are talkign about the usb as is (is a wont boot 1910) or as I want it to be. I have a choice of yes not Idontknow. oerheks
[02:56] <SoItBegins> !isitout
[02:57] <tripelbb> (I got the same thing before and said I dont know.)
[02:57] <oerheks> tripelbb, start with fat32
[02:57] <tripelbb> so I should say no?
[02:58] <tripelbb> or yes?
[02:58] <tripelbb> Basically it hung on locked usb the last time but someone here told me that isnt possible so I decided to start over.
[02:58] <tripelbb> oerheks,
[03:00] <oerheks> i think 'N' ?
[03:00] <kenperkins> the more I read about systemd-resolved the less i like
[03:01] <sumagna> !isitout
[03:03] <tripelbb> so I answered Yes I expect filesystems other than those to, and no on the next question about something that was not fat32. took the drive out and in per instructions. now it says select how to ope (the iso file) >> No applications found. click on downarrow, nothing comes up. --- remember I started this by opening mkusb.  oerheks
[03:07] <tripelbb> oerheks, I clicked off that window in disgust. then it looked good in mkusb-plug console. NOW..sbd : YWA : usb has iso9660+ : SMI USB disk (newline) task:'--puer' (then source and target ...terminated by user. == so I gues they were asking about what is already on the drive???Confusion reighns. Help plz.
[03:08] <tripelbb> should I reformat the drive?
[03:09] <tripelbb> oh. oerheks dont bother. I am going to start over
[03:11] <tripelbb> oerheks, I started again. i reinstalled the program today. In the list of What kind of drive do you want to make - a boot drive was not on the list (as it says on the webpage)
[03:12] <tripelbb> i am going to update upgrade just in case. (helpless I am)
[03:12] <jkelol111> Anyone has this issue where the Spotify snap would freeze on Ubuntu 19.10?
[03:16] <tripelbb> oerheks, same thing. maybe persisten live drie means that it is a boot drive (as I assumed the first 3 times.
[03:22] <tripelbb> oerheks, are you still here? and in this? mkusb quit again. it said terminated by user??
[03:22] <zhanx> ok audio question with bluetooth. when running pithos (as an example) the audio switches back to default from bluetooth with song changes. disabling default works but...
[03:22] <zhanx> 18.04
[03:24] <tripelbb> well this didnt work at all. yet.
[03:29] <zhanx> tripelbb, what you trying to make a boot drive out of
[03:37] <cgipython> any news on the 20.04lts release?
[03:38] <Bashing-om> cgipython: visit #ubuntu-release-party and hang out :)
[03:54] <laravelnewb> hello, im trying to setup ircd-hybrid.. for some reason I can connect to it locally but when I try to connect from elsewhere the connection times out. I am listening on all available ip addresses and ufw service is not enabled. Any suggetions?
[03:55] <laravelnewb> ubuntu 18 LTS
[03:55] <SWE442> hello
[03:56] <SWE442> Is it okay to upgrade now from 18.04 to 20.04, or is there more waiting to do?
[03:59] <dmahajan980> Hi everyone, I wanted to know whether the Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has been released?
[03:59] <genhaoqi> still beta
[04:00] <Thanos> dmahajan980:  tomorrow sometime
[04:01] <dmahajan980> Thanks @Thanos @genhaoqi
[04:05] <kryten> SWE442: https://askubuntu.com/questions/125392/why-is-no-new-release-found-when-upgrading-from-a-lts-to-the-next - see here.
[04:07] <SWE442> @kryten thanks
[04:14] <Thanos> That new shutdown/reboot thing is just terrible. Too much clicking
[04:28] <tripelb> Frustration. I want to write 1910 to a USB. Startup disk creater in 1804. And it says couldn't write the disk image to the device /dev/sdb -- what now?
[04:31] <tripelb> Wait. The disc has 19.10 now. It worked. (Scratch head) will try to boot off it.
[04:40] <brianXS> Hi!
[04:41] <brianXS> is anybody there?
[04:43] <brianXS> hello?
[04:44] <zuwuko> Hi, I'm testing from within pidgin client
[04:45] <brianXS> same, is it me or this server is dead?
[04:45] <brianXS> @zuwuko
[04:45] <CashDash123> Hey I'm trying to launch but recive this error http://dpaste.com/27GE6ZY
[04:45] <zuwuko> I was on freenode a few days ago with some activity
[04:45] <CashDash123> *launch live wallpaper
[04:51] <zuwuko> Hi testing from within pidgin client
[04:56] <el> brianXS: if you have a question to ask, just go ahead and ask it up front. if people who know the answer see the question they'll answer
[05:25] <zuwuko> what xmpp server client works with voice calls, video calls, voice messages?
[05:25] <zuwuko> looking to setup self hosted "whatsapp" or "signal" style
[05:26] <zuwuko> prosody provide these features?
[05:44] <feannag> i have a couple of files encrypted using gpg with the same passphrase. One of them gives me "decryption failed: Bad session key" error. Is there a fix?
[05:44] <feannag> Rest of the files decrypt fine.
[05:48] <v64> might try gpg2 on it
[05:54] <feannag> v64, that didn't work
[05:54] <v64> damn
[06:01] <augustoo> Hi everyone, just did a dist-upgrade -d to 20.04 but my laptop brightness control is gone, both the keyboard mapping and the gnome widget. Any tips?
[06:01] <subfj> trying to find where ubuntu stores the solid background colors. I like the blue as its a chalky blue black. Cant find it anywhere in the file structure. Any ideas?
[06:04] <JoeBk> subfj, I wrote a small perl script to create a background image file and loaded it with eog.
[06:07] <grawity> subfj: do you want to find out what color it is, or do you want to change it?
[06:09] <subfj> grawity i want to copy it to my other windows and mac computers
[06:10] <JoeBk> subfj, https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MAtp-wEuKTx0pSrJ53LJFuiCO3I48k6P/view?usp=sharing
[06:12] <subfj> thanks JoeBk
[06:13] <JoeBk> open it with eog then right click and make it wallpaper.
[06:13] <subfj> thinking i need to edit this for 4k res
[06:14] <JoeBk> change width and height
[06:14] <subfj> ya, saw that
[06:14] <subfj> reinstalling my vm, will do. thanks
[06:15] <JoeBk> actually it will get scaled to whatever you screen size is.
[06:16] <subfj> oh nice
[06:24] <grawity> subfj: make a screenshot then pick the color using an image editor
[06:25] <subfj> grawity the blue gray looks like drywall, its not a solid color
[06:27] <simo3n> hello, can anyone help me? i got error on `apt-get update` and it tells me there is no Release file on repo "http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco Release"
[06:27] <simo3n> I think it's caused by some package i've installed but how to find that?
[06:27] <housecat> simo3n: disco is EOL, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades for upgrade instructions and the path for the old-releases repo
[06:28] <housecat> (that is in fact the cause of the error you're getting)
[06:28] <simo3n> okok thank you so much, im looking on it
[06:35] <simo3n> housecat, thank you so much, it worked so well :D
[06:41] <ducasse> simo3n: you need to upgrade, not just point the repos to old-releases, you're not getting security fixes
[06:44] <simo3n> ok ducasse thank you; i just point the repos for the moment, ill upgrade soon
[06:48] <fiter> Hi, i am trying to install libobenblas but I think the link is broken and I am getting this error again and again , https://pastebin.com/rvnp0zb6
[06:48] <fiter> is there a way to install it?
[06:49] <ducasse> fiter: you are running an eol release
[06:49] <ducasse> !eol | fiter
[06:50] <ducasse> fiter: you need to upgrade to a supported release, see the last link
[06:51] <fiter> ducasse how to add these required deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ CODENAME main restricted universe multiverse to the sources.list?
[06:53] <ducasse> change the url in sources.list to point to the old-releases url
[07:06] <fiter> ducasse this mine sources.list , now I put it at the end https://pastebin.com/3w0ZEULc?
[07:06] <fiter> I am talking about these links deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ CODENAME main restricted universe multiversedeb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ CODENAME-updates main restricted universe multiversedeb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ CODENAME-security main restricted universe multiverse
[07:09] <ducasse> fiter: replace all 'pk.archive' with 'old-releases'
[07:15] <fiter> ducasse I have changed and now when I run sudo aptitude install update-manager-core update-manager , get aptitude command not found
[07:16] <fiter> when I run sudo apt install update-manager-core update-manager then I get update-manager is already the newest version (1:19.04.5).update-manager-core is already the newest version (1:19.04.5)
[07:16] <fiter> what should I do next?
[07:17] <ducasse> follow the url you were given earlier
[07:17] <fiter> I am using apt instead of aptitude and following that link
[07:17] <fiter> this one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[07:18] <ducasse> do the sudo perl line
[07:19] <ducasse> then 'sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade'
[07:19] <fiter> ducasse when I do the sudo perl line I dont see anything
[07:19] <ducasse> good
[07:24] <fiter> ducasse done
[07:24] <fiter> upto here sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade
[07:25] <ducasse> now do that to upgrade, but backup first
[07:25] <fiter> ducasse which one?
[07:26] <fiter> I have ran the above command already
[07:26] <ducasse> sudo apt update...
[07:26] <ducasse> did it finish upgrading ok?
[07:26] <fiter> Reading package lists... Done                                                                                E: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security Release' no longer has a Release file.N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.N: See
[07:26] <fiter> apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[07:28] <ducasse> you can change the sources.list file to replace the security urls too
[07:28] <fiter> ducasse how?
[07:29] <ducasse> replace security.ubuntu.com with old-releases.ubuntu.com
[07:30] <ducasse> all this is described in detail on the wiki
[07:32] <fiter> ducasse I have replaced, now I re run these commands ? sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade?
[07:32] <ducasse> yep
[07:37] <devslash> I have a computer with 16GB ram that I'm going to be installing Ubuntu Server on. With that much RAM and the fact that it's a server that will never be put into sleep or ever turned off, do I really need a swap partition?
[07:38] <Sbur3> I'm trying to get access to a fat32-formatted usb stick.  I've tried what I know about chown and chmod, but when I go to properties, it keeps telling me that it is owned by root
[07:39] <devslash> Where is it mounted at ?
[07:39] <devslash> What's the path you mounted it on ?
[07:39] <fiter> ducasse done    - Filesize:66659170 [weak]   Last modification reported: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 22:57:09 +0000E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[07:39] <fiter> then I tried sudo apt-get update so I got
[07:39] <Sbur3> devslash: sudo chmod 777 -Rf /media/steve/42E9-FD42/
[07:40] <fiter> ducasse Hit:9 http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-backports InReleaseHit:10 https://repo.skype.com/deb stable InReleaseHit:11 http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security InReleaseReading package lists... Done
[07:40] <devslash> I usually do -R not -Rf
[07:40] <Sbur3> devslash: Something tells me that I need something in the /dev/
[07:40] <devslash> Are you trying to cd to that location
[07:40] <Sbur3> I want to migrate some mp3s on to it
[07:40] <ducasse> fiter: run 'sudo apt update && sudo apt install -f'
[07:41] <devslash> Are you trying to write to it but its read only ?
[07:41] <fiter> ducasse I  have run sudo apt update && sudo apt install -f and got Reading state information... Done0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[07:42] <ducasse> Sbur3: fat filesystems do not support permissions, you need to mount it with right options
[07:42] <Sbur3> ~ducasse: Have you a miracle command line thing?
[07:42] <devslash> Yea theres mount parameter for setting permissions when you mount the volume
[07:43] <devslash> I don't remember it off the top of my head
[07:43] <devslash> I think uid=1000, gid=10
[07:43] <ducasse> Sbur3: mount -o uid=1000 ...
[07:43] <Sbur3> devslash: ducasse: So should I eject it and remount it to see what happens?  I'm using Ubuntu, but the use would be for an MP3 player.  Thought that fat would be better for a non-Linux thing
[07:44] <devslash> Yes
[07:44] <xenosgenetic> I use Arch, btw
[07:44] <devslash> The problem is you mounted it as root and your user account cant write to the usb drive unless you add the mount option
[07:44] <Sbur3> ducasse: When do I do the mount -o thing?
[07:45] <devslash> When you mount it
[07:45] <devslash> mount -o uid=1000,gid=100 /dev/whatever  /mnt/whatever
[07:45] <devslash> Oh sudo that
[07:46] <ducasse> Sbur3: iirc, the desktop should mount it as your uid if you use that to mount it
[07:46] <devslash> Ducasse have you used ubuntu server
[07:46] <Sbur3> ducasse: I'm a bit of a newbie to this .... I tend to plug things in and let it mount
[07:47] <ducasse> devslash: yes, i run several
[07:47] <devslash> I have a computer with 16GB ram that I'm going to be installing Ubuntu Server on. With that much RAM and the fact that it's a server that will never be put into sleep or ever turned off, do I really need a swap partition?
[07:48] <ducasse> devslash: maybe not, but a 2gb swapfile won't hurt
[07:48] <Sbur3> devslash: Let's say that it is sdc1, would /mnt/ be the same thing or what?
[07:48] <devslash> Yea it would
[07:49] <devslash> You should use the same command but add -o and the rest of that part after mount
[07:49] <devslash> Like I typed it
[07:49] <Sbur3> devslash: so /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdc1 ...?
[07:49] <ducasse> make sure /mnt/sdc1 exists
[07:49] <devslash> Yea as long as that location exists already in /mnt
[07:49] <devslash> Yea
[07:49] <ducasse> or just use /mnt
[07:49] <devslash> No
[07:50] <devslash> You should use subdirectories
[07:50] <devslash> Like /mnt/usb
[07:52] <ducasse> it's completely fine to just use /mnt if you don't expect to mount more than one device at any given time
[07:57] <bettencb> does anyone have the 20.04LTS update available for them yet? I'm not seeing anything personally when I run the do-distribution-upgrade command on the command line
[07:58] <bettencb> was just wondering if it is just me or not
[07:58] <benjaminh10> 20.04 isnt out yet
[07:58] <benjaminh10> it will probably be out sometime in late morning or afternoon though
[07:59] <Sbur3> bettencb: I prefer waiting for the release candidate when it tells me that it is there.  There is a way around that, but I'd discourage it
[08:00] <bettencb> so my software updater will just notify me when it's time? This is my first distro upgrade i'll be a part of
[08:00] <bettencb> Sbur3: sorry meant for that to go to you
[08:00] <bettencb> Sbur3: ^^^^
[08:00] <ducasse> bettencb: which release are you on?
[08:00] <bettencb> 18.04LTS
[08:00] <bettencb> ducasse: ^
[08:01] <ducasse> then you will be notified on the first point release
[08:01] <ducasse> ie 20.04.1
[08:01] <bettencb> ducasse: is that the one schedule in july?
[08:01] <ducasse> something like that
[08:02] <Herve33> Hello
[08:02] <bettencb> ducasse: damn... I thought I'd be able to today. I can't even do a fresh install to get 20.04 LTS yet?
[08:02] <ducasse> when it's released, yes
[08:02] <Herve33> Do you know what time we can have Ubuntu's Iso?
[08:03] <bettencb> ducasse: what does it meant when it says it was scheduled to be released today then?
[08:03] <bettencb> Herve33: I'm trying to figure out too
[08:03] <ducasse> exactly that :)
[08:03] <bettencb> Herve33: possibly not yet I guess
[08:03] <bettencb> ducasse: so again? if it's released how do I get it then as Herve33 and I are both wondering how to get the iso
[08:04] <ducasse> it's not done yet
[08:04] <bettencb> ducasse: lol thanks for the help mate
[08:04] <ducasse> join #ubuntu-release-party and wait
[08:04] <Herve33> I search minimal.iso for 20.04
[08:04] <bettencb> ducasse: thank you
[08:04] <bettencb> ducasse: you def could of lead with that
[08:05] <Herve33> Thanks ducasse
[08:05] <sacarde> hi
[08:06] <sacarde> into a ubuntu-18.04.4 how can I install kernel 4.15 ?
[08:06] <ducasse> sacarde: purge the hwe packages
[08:06] <ducasse> !hwe | sacarde
[08:07] <sacarde> but I installed fromn 18.04.4 iso, I have hwe?
[08:08] <ducasse> yes, if you install from 18.04 you don't
[08:08] <sacarde> doing that I remove 5.3 kernel?
[08:09] <ducasse> yes, and install linux-image-generic
[08:09] <ducasse> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[08:09] <sacarde> can I have dual kernel?
[08:10] <ducasse> you can have as many as you want, the latest will be booted by default
[08:10] <ducasse> you can select another in grub
[08:11] <sacarde> but if I remove hwe packages, I remove 5.3 kernel?
[08:11] <ducasse> yes, or just install linux-image-generic
[08:12] <sacarde> ok.. I understand
[08:12] <sacarde> I try... thank you ducasse
[08:12] <mave_> !isitout
[08:18] <mixxit> hey how do i upgrade to the stable
[08:18] <mixxit> i am on the preview version
[08:19] <ducasse> !final | mixxit
[08:20] <ducasse> mixxit: but it's not out
[08:23] <mixxit> says 0 to install
[08:23] <mixxit> all good yeah?
[08:25] <EriC^^> yes
[08:25] <mixxit> oh its no t out
[08:25] <mixxit> ok i will try again i thought it was out today sorry
[08:25] <ducasse> today is not over'
[08:26] <mixxit> some friend at work linked me releases note
[08:26] <mixxit> i should have read more carefully :D
[08:26] <opa7331> join #ubuntu-release-party
[08:26] <mixxit> thanks mate!
[08:27] <mixxit> wow
[08:27] <mixxit> hexchat does not lend itself to the display scaling setting of 200 in ubuntu
[08:28] <mixxit> guess i go back to squinting hehe
[08:34] <doh> why is some mount's ownership changed to systemd-timesync:systemd-journal?
[08:43] <dkfk> !isitout
[09:01] <interrobangd> hello, how could it be that the snap file is deleted but files are still readable on mount point? /var/lib/snapd/snaps/core_8689.snap (deleted) on /media/paul/disk type squashfs (ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uhelper=udisks2
[09:02] <mohnish> Hello, I'm using Ubuntu MATE 19.10, and I'm installing azpainter from source. When I run ./confifure in the source directory, it gives an error "checking for "/usr/include/freetype2/ft2build.h"... no
[09:03] <mohnish> Correction: checking for "/usr/include/freetype2/ft2build.h"... no
[09:03] <grawity> interrobangd: files will continue to exist for as long as they are held open by some program
[09:03] <basalt> hi, how save is it to connect to an online account like google ? they are asking for a lot of permissions
[09:03] <mohnish> And then it says, configure: error: (freetype) ft2build.h not found
[09:03] <grawity> interrobangd: which in this case is the filesystem image held open by the 'loop mount' driver
[09:04] <interrobangd> weird
[09:04] <mohnish> The problem i think is that libfreetype, or freetype2 is not installed, but I tried to install both using apt, but the package is not found
[09:07] <mohnish> Does anyone know how to install libfreetype or freetype2?
[09:08] <grawity> it's already installed; it's always installed, because it's the library used to put text on screen
[09:08] <grawity> what you need to install is the devel package for it (headers, etc.)
[09:09] <grawity> I think the package is named libfreetype-dev
[09:09] <mohnish> oh, okay
[09:09] <mohnish> But, it isn't found by apt
[09:09] <grawity> what else does `apt search libfreetype` find? (I actually don't have Ubuntu at hand to check)
[09:10] <mohnish> oh, okay
[09:11] <mohnish> http://dpaste.com/0PVWZKJ
[09:11] <mohnish> It found 4 packages
[09:11] <Thete> libfreetype-dev
[09:11] <grawity> ah yeah, libfreetype6-dev
[09:12] <grawity> the usual convention is that the files needed to *compile* things are separated away in a -dev package
[09:12] <mohnish> oh, okay, I'll install that
[09:13] <mohnish> Thanks, it worked :D  But, there's another error ./configure gave, let me see if I can fix that
[09:17] <mohnish> BTW, is there any offline password manager for ubuntu?
[09:17] <opa7331> keepassxc
[09:17] <opa7331> @mohnish and i think tehre is alsoe something called gnome keyring
[09:17] <mohnish> oh, okay. Thanks :)
[09:19] <Thete> anyone else having issues with 4k display, nvidia gpu, and fractional scaling?
[09:21] <blohshyboi> for what I've seen there were changes on how the nvidia graphics were installed so it might be because of that Thete
[09:22] <Thete> hopefully a fix comes along, having same issue on 3 different computers
[09:23] <blohshyboi> Also, where did you get the tesing iso?
[09:23] <Thete> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes
[09:24] <dkfk> how can I defeat apt-check loading my cpu?
[09:25] <dkfk> it takes ages to do anything with packages
[09:26] <Thete> wrong link, using april 22 daily-live atm
[09:26] <Thete> it's not a huge deal, just might be an issue that crops up
[09:27] <Thete> I'm still tryin to work out what it's borkin on
[09:30] <Thete> it's been reported already
[09:30] <Thete> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1870736
[09:30] <Thete> I'm getting black screens though when I select 125%
[09:32] <mohnish> Thanks everyone :) I successfully installed azpainter from source
[09:33] <nda_> While using Ubuntu 20.04 (beta), ran "apt upgrade". Then my display became blank, soon after that I saw a frozen boot screen where Ubuntu seemed to be checking the file system. It was not possible to press Ctrl+C to cancel this. After a hard reset, everything appears to be OK to me. Should I worry? Do I need to run some health checks now?
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> nda_: the integrity checker is now part of the install media
[09:34] <graingert> is it out yet?
[09:34] <Thanos> No
[09:34] <grawity> that reminds me of a bug in recent systemd that ended up triggering the boot screen when it shouldn't (e.g. during systemd reload)
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> nda_: if you want to skip test, you need to ctrl+c in early stage
[09:37] <dkfk> people complain that the new ubuntu fails to boot with 256mb ram
[09:38] <nda_> Can or should I check whether anything bad happened because of this? I mean it left me with no choice but do a hard reset. I started using Ubuntu just a day ago.
[09:41] <grawity> tbh I'm fairly sure nothing did, except maybe an unfinished apt upgrade
[09:41] <nda_> "apt upgrade" says there is nothing new to install so I guess that's fine (I hope).
[09:42] <nda_> Thanks. :)
[09:42] <kreyren> What do i need on ubuntu to get sys/types.h ?
[09:43] <kreyren> libc6-dev does not seem to be it
[09:44] <dkfk> it is libc6-dev
[09:44] <kreyren> ah nwm it's in /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/types.h
[10:02] <CrazySam> I can't get debug mode in nslookup.
[10:03] <CrazySam> nslookup -debug yahoo.com
[10:03] <CrazySam> nslookup -debug yahoo.com
[10:03] <CrazySam> Scratch out the last line.
[10:04] <CrazySam> nslookup yahoo.com
[10:04] <CrazySam> These two give me the same output?...
[10:04] <CrazySam> With and without the -debug option I get the same output.
[10:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy fplks
[10:40] <Mibix> i keep getting weird smart alerts on one of my mdadm raid 1 drives but it doesnt show anything bad in the Disks utility and mdadm isnt throwing any errors
[10:41] <CrazySam> s/fplks/folks
[10:41] <CrazySam> Hello
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> welcome CrazySam
[10:42] <CrazySam> Well thank you Michael.
[10:43] <gnomethrower> !isitout
[10:51] <dkfk> lol the bug with session closure hasn' t been fixed yet
[10:51] <dkfk> that' s rificulous
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> !ubuntu+1 | dkfk
[10:58] <Antoine-> Hello, I am using xubuntu (asked there first). I can't get sound through the HDMI port. What can I do?
[10:58] <Antoine-> I added myself to the audio group
[10:58] <Antoine-> I tried to restart the pulseaudio daemon after plugging the hdmi cable
[11:00] <Antoine-> oh it works :o
[11:07] <YeOldHinnerk> Hi. Can someone point me to a good primer on best practices for public keys encryption & management in a homenetwork environment? I need it mostly for ssh access, but would also extend it to my mail. Not sure where else it would make sense.
[11:08] <YeOldHinnerk> also a topic may be access from outside via vpn
[11:09] <YeOldHinnerk> should these all be the same keys? If not, split by what criteria?
[11:09] <YeOldHinnerk> Questions like that.
[11:18] <JimBuntu> YeOldHinnerk: different keys for each user and each service, and for SSH for each machine doesn't hurt. I'm not sure what channel would be best, but I would suggest waiting to ask questions in here until you have something specific to Ubuntu
[11:19] <JimBuntu> YeOldHinnerk: ##Linux might be a good place for general dicsussion around this, or even #ubuntu-offtopic to get some thoughts from other Ubuntu users.
[11:21] <YeOldHinnerk> Yes, iz is somehwhat offtopic, I'm sorry. That's why I'm looking for some pointing... (different keys for everything makes management a pain and is probably excessive in a small home setup).
[11:22] <YeOldHinnerk> I'll check out those places, thx.
[12:03] <dhiaagr> Good morning guys, I just switched to using Netplan; I would like to know if I can generate a .yaml file from an automatically set network configuration (automatically rendered by NetworkManager)
[12:05] <imharvol> Hey has the 20.04 image been released?
[12:07] <Marshy> Not yet. It'll probably be soon since the 20.04 release page has been taken down
[12:08] <imharvol> Thanks!
[12:17] <molinot> !isitout
[12:18] <rapidwave> Having trouble with this error
[12:18] <rapidwave> [Errno 2] iptables v1.6.1: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
[12:18] <rapidwave> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
[12:18] <rapidwave> I just upgraded the system, didn't solve it
[12:22] <forgotmynick> hello. with sendmail, how do i change the FROM address when sending bounce notifications. Currently they are From: Mail Delivery Subsystem<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:25] <forgotmynick> or alternatively, how can i make those emails just arrive in the linux root account instead of being sent back to the original sender?
[12:41] <ws2k3> im trying to configure my ssh so it will log all action users take.https://pastebin.com/wqxtjQ3B but somehow its not i already tested the settings individualy on another box and there the logging works just fine. what could i doing wrong here?
[12:44] <vlouvet> ws2k3, try giving internal-sftp a full path
[12:44] <ws2k3> vlouvet:  hmm you mean the forcecommand or ?
[12:45] <binder> what time EDT should 20.04 be available?
[12:46] <vlouvet> ws2k3, try 'Subsystem sftp /usr/bin/internal-sftp -f AUTH -l INFO -u 0002'
[12:46] <vlouvet> or whatever the full path should be
[12:49] <MPaupertatis> binder, there is no set time, I am just monitoring the releases.ubuntu.com/focal/ or releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/
[12:49] <vlouvet> ws2k3, if you look in /var/log/syslog you might have more details.. but I have a feeling it is an issue with the 'Match Group sftp' line (if the above didn't already fix it) I would look here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12058016/sftp-failing-with-match-group-clause
[12:51] <sumagna> hey MPaupertatis, those two sites are showing nothing except index of /focal and /20.04
[12:52] <MPaupertatis> True, but when they are released, that's where it will show up.
[12:54] <ws2k3> vlouvet:  should the logs be in syslog or in auth.log?
[12:54] <ws2k3> vlouvet:  i think the matchgroup is fine cause the chroot which is defined there works fine
[12:55] <sumagna> its getting ready then
[12:56] <MPaupertatis> Yes, both of those were created today in prep for the files...
[12:59] <MPaupertatis> There might be some notice given overr at #ubuntu-release-party channel, as that is that channel's primary reasson for existancee
[13:06] <molinot> !isitout
[13:20] <fightthewalrus1> What does this fsck error mean when scanning a USB drive: "unknown entry type 0xff."
[13:20] <fightthewalrus1> ?
[13:21] <dkfk> is it in exfat?
[13:21] <fightthewalrus1> FAT32 format
[13:23] <fightthewalrus1> I also checked that basically every file in there has been overwritten with the <FF> bytes
[13:23] <dkfk> github is unwell again so you'll had to wait
[13:25] <fightthewalrus1> Heh, it looks like the only discussion I found was in this forum post (auf Deustch) https://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/usb-stick-wird-nicht-erkannt-24/#post-8960222
[13:26] <MPaupertatis> dkfk - whats up with github?
[13:26]  * fightthewalrus1 goes google-translate this
[13:26] <dkfk> it seems down
[13:28] <MPaupertatis> is that  causing issues with focal?
[13:28] <dkfk> no
[13:29] <dkfk> your drive is not in fat32 format
[13:29] <MPaupertatis> dkfk - Thx!
[13:30] <fightthewalrus1> dkfk: fair enough, I don't remember checking it
[13:31] <fightthewalrus1> How does this affect the problem?
[13:32] <dkfk> your data are gone it seems
[13:32] <fightthewalrus1> At least I had made peace with that fact already
[13:33] <fightthewalrus1> does this mean that the stick is 100% unusable?
[13:33] <fightthewalrus1> or if I format it to ext4 or another filesystem it can still be saved?
[13:33] <dkfk> you have to reformat it
[13:35] <fightthewalrus1> Ok, I'm about to run mkfs.vfat, but should I do it with the entire /dev/sdc or just with the partition /dev/sdc1?
[13:50] <jStefan> fightthewalrus1, partition tables on flash media usually is algined to perform better. you would only write to the root, if it were an image that already has partition table information on it.
[13:56] <SJudge> !isitout
[14:16] <chaslinux> What's the difference between legacy server and live server? Does legacy still use the debian installer?
[14:19] <Marshy> Downloading now :D :D :D
[14:20] <designbybeck> Marshy, is it officially released?
[14:21] <Marshy> It's not on the releases page yet, but it looks like the torrent is available now
[14:21] <designbybeck> ah, nice!
[14:28] <shinobi> Is 20.04 live CD officially released? I don't see it on the website.
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> almost shinobi
[14:28] <hggdh> not yet
[14:30] <Marshy> yep. its out
[14:30] <sumagna> !isitout
[14:30] <sumagna> Marshy: not yet
[14:30] <Marshy> Just finished downloading the torrent and the releases page is up
[14:33] <shinobi> Marshy: Is it the final version or the beta?
[14:33] <coconut> shinobi: final
[14:33] <shinobi> coconut: can you send the DL link?
[14:34] <ioria> the server ed is out
[14:34] <coconut> shinobi: https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[14:34] <sumagna> yes the page is up for ubuntu 20.04
[14:38] <Seveas> !isitout
[14:38] <Seveas> Wrong! :P
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> Seveas: we always await the official release mail
[14:39] <shinobi> #/join #ubuntu-release-party
[14:39] <shinobi> lol
[14:40] <plut0> I'm attempting to upgrade to 20.04 and getting the following error. Why is this happening? "After updating your package information, the essential package 'ubuntu-minimal' could not be located"
[14:40] <hggdh> being released now
[14:43] <molinot> !isitout
[14:44] <plut0> Yeah there is a 'do-release-upgrade -d' flag. I updated my other server yesterday.
[14:53] <YeOldHinnerk> last seen here: You helped me fixing my WOL for my ubuntu server.
[14:53] <YeOldHinnerk> up now: help me shut it down remitely so that WOL keeps working.
[14:53] <YeOldHinnerk> ok, a tad more details:
[14:54] <YeOldHinnerk> I recently had to leave fast and just pushed the power off on my server.
[14:54] <YeOldHinnerk> I notices that afterwards I was not able to wake it up via WOL anymore.
[14:55] <YeOldHinnerk> The proper way would be to have a small script, that I can run from my mobile or pc that shutsdown the server.
[14:55] <YeOldHinnerk> I have ssh with key installed already
[14:55] <YeOldHinnerk> what is the "good" shutdown command to use for my purpose?
[14:56] <jStefan> plut0, apt-cache policy packagename
[14:56] <YeOldHinnerk> maybe it would also make sense to replace the "power down" button on my server with a nice shutdown
[14:57] <DArqueBishop> Does your server not have some form of lights out management? iLO for HP, iDRAC for Dell, IMM for IBM/Lenovo, etc?
[14:58] <YeOldHinnerk> is that question to me?
[14:58] <YeOldHinnerk> it is a supermicro.
[14:58] <spal> inux
[14:59] <spal> Sorry about that! I was trying to /join #linux
[15:01] <YeOldHinnerk> it does have ipmi, but I would like to have something that I can run from my mobile.
[15:01] <Ergo> where's the release party?
[15:01] <Ergo> ah see it, made a typo :D
[15:03] <DArqueBishop> YeOldHinnerk: if you have Android, there's an IPMIView app.
[15:06] <YeOldHinnerk> ah
[15:06] <YeOldHinnerk> didn't think of that strangely
[15:08] <plut0> jStefan: thanks, that gave the hint to fix it
[15:14] <DiogoConstantino> Hi all
[15:14] <akk> Any updates on when 20.04 will release? Or should I be asking that on ubuntu+1 since it's not out yet?
[15:14] <oerheks> !isitout
[15:17] <tpham> I have a trouble with prime-select on ubuntu 20.04. It does not change xorg driver. How can I fix that
[15:19] <tieinv> akk i found it on the releases page
[15:20] <pillager86> Is it possible to resize my Ubuntu disk partition with space behind it instead of in front?
[15:20] <howdy123> hi there, i'm sure a ton of newbies have asked but i am curious when the update-manager for 18.04 will see the 20.04 LTS release is available? right now it is not showing any upgrades available for LTS, only devel
[15:20] <howdy123> thanks for any info!
[15:22] <zoko> !isitout
[15:22] <hggdh> howdy123: usually it will only point to 20.04 when 20.04.1 is released
[15:22] <tpham> https://imgur.com/a/zERg2JL
[15:23] <howdy123> ah ok thanks hggdh so is the best way to upgrade now downloading iso then? or doing update-manager -d perhaps? or just waiting (sounds hard lol)
[15:24] <chaslinux> Instead of d-i preeseed/include in my ubuntu-server.cfg PXE file what do I use for PXE installs now (20.04)?
[15:24] <hggdh> howdy123: if you really want it, do-release-upgrade -d will get you 20.04.
[15:25] <howdy123> great thanks hggdh
[15:28] <dhiaagr> Hi everybody; Netplan, doesn't seem to be working anymore on an ubuntu server
[15:28] <dhiaagr> My configuration file didn't change; Yet, I have to run sudo dhclient enp2s0 to reach the network
[15:29] <dhiaagr> And the yaml file doens't seem to get recognized anymore
[15:31] <BluesKaj> does the yaml file render to network manager?
[15:35] <clamiax> hi
[15:41] <ontia> is it possible to download the minimal version of 20.04 at this moment? can't find it on releases.ubuntu.com
[15:41] <Guest10938> dhiaagr: It might be related to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netplan.io/+bug/1874377
[15:42] <akk> ontia: I found the "server install" image from there, is that what you want? (Though I'm waiting for the official release.)
[15:43] <xtuh_> Hi, need help with move sdb2 to the end of the disk (for grow sdb1)
[15:43] <ontia> akk: hmm not sure, basically I want what's listed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD but for 20.04
[15:44] <akk> ontia: Oh, that's probably different. My guess is it might lag a bit, like the desktop variants.
[15:44] <ontia> okay thanks
[15:45] <dhiaagr> @BluesKah No ( : It just has a couple of lines; https://paste.debian.net/1142564/
[15:46] <ioria> ontia, probably here (not sure)   http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso
[15:46] <dhiaagr> @Guest10938, Thank you; I will check that right away
[15:46] <pavlos> http://releases.ubuntu.com/focal/
[15:47] <drleviathan> woot!
[15:48] <lordcirth> xtuh_, have you tried using gparted?
[15:48] <xtuh_> i have no gui
[15:48] <dhiaagr> @Guest10938, I checked your link and I don't think the issue is related. 1set, I have the issue on my ethernet device. 2nd, even after rebooting, the changes don't apply
[15:48] <xtuh_> need cli solution to try
[15:48] <pavlos> xtuh_: parted
[15:50] <xtuh_> pavlos #parted /dev/sdb
[15:51] <xtuh_> what command for move part 2 to the end?
[15:51] <pavlos> xtuh_: am reading man parted
[15:53] <rngmaster> anyone knows if ubuntu 20 is releasing today or not?
[15:53] <luna_> rngmaster: it is later today
[15:53] <luna_> !isitoutyet
[15:54] <rngmaster> luna_ thanks
[15:55] <luna_> np
[15:56] <dhiaagr> Alright, guys; So since I coudln't connect to the internet; I changed the yaml configuration file from one with a static ip address
[15:56] <dhiaagr> To a dynamic dhcp
[15:56] <dhiaagr> But I mistyped the device name. Now, I corrected it and the network seems to be all set up again.
[15:56] <dhiaagr> Still, I don't know what caused the issue in the first place
[15:57] <xtuh_> pavlos: https://pastebin.com/60xibcff
[15:58] <pavlos> xtuh_: so you have [[ [sdb1---][sdb2-----------]empty space till end of disk]] and you want to move sdb2 to the end so you can regrow sdb1 ?
[16:01] <oerheks> zfs on vmware .. interesting, not mentioning that with your question
[16:01] <xtuh_> yes
[16:01] <oerheks> good luck pavlos
[16:03] <molinot> !isitout
[16:07] <xtuh_> pavlos: seems parted is no good choice for move parttition
[16:07] <xtuh_> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/parted.git/tree/NEWS?id=8740cfcff3ea839dd6dc8650dec0a466e9870625#n338
[16:11] <xtuh_> I'll rephrase question, is there cli tool in 18.04 that can move partitions?
[16:11] <kk4ewt> xtuh_;  i dont know of anything that can move partitions around on a drive
[16:12] <xtuh_> gparted, but its for gui :(
[16:13] <kk4ewt> no gparted i dont think can move partitions with data around
[16:13] <pavlos> xtuh_: does this help ... https://serverfault.com/questions/946055/increase-the-zfs-partition-to-use-the-entire-disk
[16:15] <oerheks> xtuh_, create a new vm and move your data would be a lot faster
[16:15] <oerheks> especially with vmware and funny autogrow options
[16:15] <ledeni> web page it is already up and running  i got new release on usb stick up and running https://releases.ubuntu.com/focal/ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:17] <pavlos> xtuh_: seems you could rm part 9, then resize part 1 with parted
[16:18] <xtuh_> oerheks: yes, also its possible to boot live gui, but this is not a part of my question, as i want move 2nd partition
[16:18] <xtuh_> pavlos: yes thanks.
[16:19] <xtuh_> i'll better use live cd. but beels bad because no tools to move partition.
[16:19] <xtuh_> seems like gui start winning ...
[16:21] <craigbass76> What's the new default IRC client for 20.04? I tried apt-get install hexchat (and hex-chat, HexChat, Hex-Chat) but got nothing. The software center won't work in the liveCD (well, it's a thumb drive) environment. apt-get install vim worked, so I'm thinking I just don't know the right package name.
[16:21] <craigbass76> apt-list and looking for anything chat didn't work either
[16:21] <oerheks> !info hexchat
[16:21] <oerheks> i think universe?
[16:22] <oerheks> yes, universe is not enabled on live iso
[16:22] <oerheks> sudo add-apt-repository universe && sudo apt update && sudo apt install hexchat
[16:23] <dax> huh, today i learned add-apt-respository can do that
[16:23] <dax> that's neat
[16:23] <oerheks> :-)
[16:24] <craigbass76> Figured it was something stupid I was missing. Thanks oerheks.
[16:24] <oerheks> not stupid at all..
[16:24] <oerheks> have fun!
[16:24] <craigbass76> I've got another question about dd, but will wait until I'm on that box...
[16:26] <Smashcat> Anyone know how to set up mysql to run as root instead of the mysql user in 16.04? Currently it's creashing out at startup as it can't write to files it should have full access to, so some security restriction is messing it up :)
[16:27] <oerheks> run as root is the wrong approach
[16:28] <xtuh_> maybe better ti fiz files permissions?
[16:28] <xtuh_> *to fiz
[16:28] <xtuh_> @^#@%^#@#$@#$ fix
[16:29] <Smashcat> permissions on files are fine. Previous version of mysql worked with them ok, after upgrade new version cannot write to them, even though owned by same user/group.
[16:29] <craigbass76> I'm trying to send a squeaky clean box back to my employer for the next guy. The drive was never encrypted, so I'm nervous about sending it as-is (in case it gets waylaid during its travels). Am I better off deleting all partitions and running dd if=/devrandom, or running it on each of the partitions before I delete them?
[16:30] <Smashcat> Easier just to run as root. Just noticed I need to add command line switch to force it to run as root... hmm...
[16:30] <oerheks> Smashcat, and then you want help with new issues?
[16:31] <RonWhoCares> I just tried to upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.  But I am getting a message "There is no development version of an LTS available."
[16:31] <oerheks> RonWhoCares, there is no upgrade path until 20.04.1
[16:31] <RonWhoCares> Ahhhhh.
[16:31] <DJones> RonWhoCares: 20.04 hasn't been released yet, thats why you'll get those messages
[16:31] <Smashcat> oerheks: No I think I've worked out how to run it as root. Thanks!
[16:32] <RonWhoCares> DJones or oerheks : Do you know when I should try again?
[16:32] <DJones> RonWhoCares: No, it depends when the release manager say's it ok, we don't know
[16:33] <RonWhoCares> OK.  Thank you ;)
[16:33] <oerheks> testing, testing in progress
[16:37] <title_> Hey, I'm having problems with virt-manager networking. When I enable a virtual NAT it completely messes up my vpn, somehow it removes tun0 till a restart.
[16:45] <mario_> ciao a tutti
[16:48] <Smashcat> Hmm, seems like Mysql-server 5.7.29 in Ubuntu can ONLY write to the /var/lib tree. If data files are outside of that, it cann't write to them, no matter what permissions are, or the user it's running as.
[16:57] <sarnold> Smashcat: check dmesg for apparmor DENIED messages, the profile is in /etc/apparmor.d/ -- there's probably a file in /etc/apparmor.d/local/ that you can edit to add the new privileges
[16:57] <pavlos> https://imgur.com/a/Agqd8f5
[16:58] <Smashcat> sarnold: Thanks yep, I just read about apparmor - doing that now :)
[17:01] <d1g1ta1> How do you fix missing TAP device following Installation of broadband modem software on a fresh install of 14.04LTS (driver loads and runs and sees device but there is no TAP device (only lo)?
[17:01] <Smashcat> sarnold: All working now, thanks :)
[17:02] <sarnold> Smashcat: woo! nice
[17:03] <d1g1ta1> Also, when you plug in the phone it says "Unable to find the requested file.  Please check the spelling and try again.  Unhandled error message:  Couldn't find matching udev device)
[17:03] <oerheks> d1g1ta1, 14.04, really?
[17:04] <d1g1ta1> What, it's still supported for 7 more days :)
[17:04] <hypercube32> Is there a time today that 20.04 will be released ? I don't see it yet out in the wild
[17:04] <oerheks> no, it is not.
[17:04] <d1g1ta1> I plan to upgrade to 16.04 LTS but need the modem working first (or the wifi which is also not showing up)
[17:04] <oerheks> !14.04
[17:04] <dax> hypercube32: nope, just waiting for the release process to finish up
[17:05] <d1g1ta1> Anyway, once I get the modem working I will upgrade to 16.04
[17:05] <hypercube32> dax, is there any info anywhere about if it's still on for today?
[17:05] <dax> hypercube32: it's still on for today.
[17:05] <hypercube32> very cool thanks
[17:06] <d1g1ta1> ha, someone told me 4/30/20
[17:06] <dax> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-lts-final-release-status-tracking/15366 has some more info, i don't expect it to be too much longer personally (but i am not a release team member)
[17:06] <hypercube32> holy cow i see it out there actually now
[17:06] <hypercube32> just popped up
[17:07] <wingedrhino> Am I correct in assuming the websites aren't yet updated but the links are up? https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso works for me!
[17:07] <hypercube32> wingedrhino, actually i see it up there now
[17:07] <hypercube32> I had checked a few minutes ago and it was not, now it is
[17:07] <dax> wingedrhino: it's not officially out yet, those are probably the ISOs that will be blessed as official, but *shrug*
[17:07] <hypercube32> https://releases.ubuntu.com/
[17:08] <dax> you're really better off just waiting, won't be too long
[17:08] <wingedrhino> hypercube32, I just logged in and missed the discussion lol. I assume everyone else on the Eastern Hemisphere has spent the whole day wondering where the release is?
[17:08] <hypercube32> shows up now, so ya
[17:09] <wingedrhino> Are the other distro links up yet? Wait I'll check for myself.
[17:10] <wingedrhino> Nope. Studio isn't out yet!
[17:10] <DocMors> mate is there and working
[17:10] <hypercube32> i only checked for 'desktop' and 'server' which are there, havent checked for the others
[17:11] <wingedrhino> Aah well. I'll install the Gnome desktop and try the other packages from within there.
[17:11] <blb4393> do-release-upgrade doesn't work yet with 'Prompt=lts'
[17:12] <kenperkins> I can't do multiple dhcp address on a single mac address, correct?
[17:12] <sumagna> hello
[17:13] <hypercube32> kenperkins, thats correct
[17:13] <hypercube32> well sort of
[17:13] <hypercube32> unless you NAT
[17:13] <hypercube32> even then the virtual nic will have a mac of its own
[17:15] <d1g1ta1> iptables -t -nat -F POSTROUTING on 16.06LTS box throws error "iptables v1.6.0: can't initialize iptables table '-nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)  -- read a bunch of articles and tried several proposed fixes but nothing worked.
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> d1g1ta1: 3 minutes ago you were on 14.04?
[17:16] <d1g1ta1> 14.04 is new box to replace down 1606, but can't get network on that to move on
[17:17] <pavlos> d1g1ta1: iptables -t nat
[17:19] <CrazySam> How do I file a bug on nslookup?
[17:19] <oerheks> !bug
[17:19] <osxubuntows> release party!
[17:19] <dax> CrazySam: ubuntu-bug dnsutils
[17:20] <oerheks> ubuntu-bug <package> .. make sure you have a launchpad account
[17:20] <blb4393> so what should be done to get do-release-upgrade upgrade to FF?
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> CrazySam: before filing bugs, also reccomended to ask here first, you never know if volunteers know or find an existing bug
[17:21] <oerheks> blb4393, wait until 20.04.1 is released for the upgrade path
[17:21] <blb4393> oerheks: that's another month wating?
[17:22] <blb4393> waiting
[17:22] <CrazySam> Launchpad account first then.
[17:23] <sopparus> will do-release-upgrade from ubuntu 18 be possible now or july?
[17:23] <anlsh> Can anyone see this message?
[17:23] <testing-account-> yes
[17:24] <blb4393> no, ^ he's lying
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> sopparus: LTS upgrade path will open around august
[17:24] <oerheks> blb4393, july 23 according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> ah nice find oerheks
[17:25] <blb4393> ok, do I need to do anything else beside editing /etc/apt/sources.list then?
[17:25] <nda_> I am trying to manage the "software sources" by opening the "software updater" on Ubuntu 20.04 but when trying to click "Settings", I get a blank window: https://i.imgur.com/gUof6eX.png
[17:25] <dax> blb4393: do-release-upgrade if you want it at the recommended time (July 23rd), do-release-upgrade -d after it comes out if you want it before then
[17:26] <dax> (it is not out yet, so i'd hold off a bit)
[17:26] <blb4393> dax: what is not out yet?
[17:26] <dax> ubuntu 20.04
[17:26] <sopparus> lotuspsychje, ok thanks
[17:27] <blb4393> dax: released and out aren't the same notions?
[17:28] <oerheks> wait for the announcement ...
[17:29] <CrazySam> Does Ubuntu or Canonical have a SSO across the board now? Can I use one account for everything Ubuntu including Launchpad?
[17:29] <Thanos> ...why wait for an announcement, its on the site.
[17:29] <dax> because i've been around for a lot of releases, and i've seen them change things last minute more than once
[17:30] <Thanos> downloaded. flashing to an orange flash drive :D
[17:30] <dax> so we wait until the release team says they're done, and then we consider it done
[17:31] <blb4393> lol, so it is released but not out yet and we should wait for an announcement, right
[17:31] <dax> there are ISOs on the download site. they're not blessed by the release team as officially released/out, and it is entirely possible for them to get pulled down and changed
[17:32] <nda_> https://ubuntu.com/
[17:32] <Moshe`> hello guys
[17:32] <Moshe`> Sorry to disturb you but you are my last hope D:
[17:32] <blb4393> well, it's not the DE I'm waiting for, but newer packages
[17:32] <nda_> Just wondering, should it be out on the front page?
[17:32] <Moshe`> maybe you know if there is some way to open and run commands from mirc to ssh? =\
[17:32] <dax> nda_: yep, front page gets updated very close to the end of the release process :)
[17:33] <tripelb> Dax tY 4 Xplaining
[17:33] <nda_> Okay so that means it's very close given that it's there on the front page.
[17:33] <dax> whole lotta moving parts pushed around by people all over the planet, they can't all move at the exact same time
[17:33] <dax> exactly
[17:33] <geard> hello everyone, i'm running Ubuntu 18.04, I have installed teams, it starts on login. I have gone into startup applications preferences and removed it several times, every time on reboot teams starts and it is back in the startup applications preferences. How would i go about removing it from startup?
[17:34] <blb4393> ah, ok, do-release-upgrade -cd shows New release '20.04' available. Very well then, I'll wait a bit nevertheless
[17:35] <dax> do-release-upgrade -d has worked for a few months ;)
[17:35] <dax> -d means "development", until the official release at which point it means "duh i wanna ignore the recommended waiting period and get it right now", until some time later when it means "development" again ;)
[17:36] <tripelb> On a different subject I've been dealing with my 1804 making liveusb but the computer os tells me the write failed... But the USB drive now come proclaims that it is 1910. -- No I'm going to check it by trying to boot it. I will not remember 1804 as a good time.
[17:36] <tripelb> My only question is If I upgrade one step from 1910 will I get the same thing as if I did a fresh install with 2004?
[17:37] <dax> tripelb: should do
[17:37] <tripelb> Yay.
[17:37] <tripelb> Dax.
[17:40] <Guest_37> quit
[17:43] <sumagna> 20.04 support available?
[17:43] <dax> sumagna: once it's officially out, in here
[17:43] <dax> until then, #ubuntu+1
[17:43] <dax> probably best just waiting, i doubt it'll be very long at all
[17:43] <drleviathan> heh... the release is ponderously moving forward
[17:45] <blb4393> there's a bug reported for the do-release-upgrade itself https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1874091
[17:46] <blb4393> what's ubuntu-drivers? Is it a new package for 20.04?
[17:47] <blb4393> because I only see ubuntu-drivers-common
[17:47] <Moshe`> guys some one pleasee? =\
[17:47] <Moshe`> maybe you know if there is some way to open and run commands from mirc to ssh? =\
[17:47] <dmahajan980> !isitoutyet
[17:47] <dax> Moshe`: ask ##mirc?
[17:48] <dax> this isn't really relevant to #ubuntu, Mirc is Windows software
[17:51] <sumagna> now can i ask?
[17:51] <nda_> !isitoutyet
[17:51] <dax> sumagna: yes :)
[17:51] <sumagna> i want to know how to stop notifications about spotify playing music
[17:51] <Johnynyny> I was here too!
[17:52] <sumagna> i had stopped it in 19.10
[17:52] <sumagna> just by stopping spotify from sending notifs
[17:52] <Johnynyny> sumagna from the settings
[17:52] <sumagna> so what to do
[17:52] <sumagna> i tried
[17:53] <sumagna> i have turned off notifications for spotify but it still sends
[17:54] <sumagna> https://imgur.com/a/Kc7U7x0
[17:54] <sumagna> see this
[17:55] <kostkon_> sumagna, probably something something mpris related
[17:55] <drleviathan> What?! You don't want to see a notification every time spotify changes the music?
[17:55] <sumagna> mpri?
[17:55] <sumagna> no
[17:55] <sumagna> i dont want to see them
[17:56] <nda_> I installed Ubuntu 20.04 (RC) yesterday updated packages earlier today. Now that it's officially out, there is nothing new to upgrade. Does it mean that I have the official release then?
[17:56] <drleviathan> Well... if you figure out how to completely disable all notifications, let me know.
[17:56] <blb4393> sumagna: say loud  - 'alexa, turn spotify notifications off'
[17:56] <kostkon_> nda, yes
[17:56] <sumagna> -_-
[17:56] <grawity> all notifications, or all Spotify notifications?
[17:56] <sumagna> all spotify notifs
[17:57] <grawity> I meant Dr. Sarcastic over there
[17:57] <nda_> kostkon_: All right, thanks. :)
[17:57] <grawity> but anyway
[17:57] <grawity> sumagna: if you *enable* Spotify notifications, do you get them double?
[17:57] <sumagna> i turned them off
[17:57] <sumagna> naa
[17:58] <sumagna> https://imgur.com/a/Fb4Sppj
[17:58] <sumagna> see?
[17:58] <lxleuser__> anybody know why i can't get chromecast working on chromium in ubuntu.  i enabled the media flags still doesn't work.
[17:58] <zerix> turn them off in the app sumagna
[17:58] <sumagna> lemme see
[17:58] <zerix> it's in the settings about sending desktop notifications
[17:58] <sumagna> ohh
[17:59] <grawity> oh you used the GNOME setting?
[17:59] <sumagna> thanks
[17:59] <sumagna> :p
[17:59] <grawity> I suspect that doesn't work as intended because Spotify calls notify-send instead of doing it the proper way...
[17:59] <nda_> Anyone successfully using Steam on Ubuntu 20.04? It has not been able to connect to the Steam network at all in my case.
[17:59] <Johnynyny> What is the "game mode" ubuntu twitter talks about?
[18:00] <sumagna> where is it?
[18:02] <lxleuser__> i enabled load media router component extension on chromium but still can't cast
[18:05] <oerheks> lxleuser__, logged into your google account? also on the target?
[18:05] <oerheks> i would use chrome, that works for sure
[18:06] <Guest_41> hello
[18:06] <lxleuser__> oerheks: I'm on 32 bit machine can't use chrome :(.  it works on debian but debian is laggy for me.
[18:06] <lordcirth> Guest_41, welcome
[18:07] <tag> I have a Cisco VPN which I'm connecting to and for some reason when I connect to it, it does not update my DNS. It works if I use my cellphone as a hotspot but not if I use my router.
[18:07] <Iarla> MacOS can't read my Ubuntu disks reliably. Ext4 isn't supported and the 3rd party project no longer supports my older OS. ExFat seems to work well on Ubuntu, MacOS and Windows. Are there any problems I should be aware of or is ExFat good enough for files, movies, backups etc?
[18:07] <sebsebseb>
[18:07] <smithsr93> Hello, I have a question about 20.04 on VMWare install, how do I do a full disk encryption?
[18:07] <Guest_41> i have one q : how too update ubuntu 20.04 lts beta to the final lts? tnk
[18:07] <dax> ubottu: final
[18:08] <lordcirth> Iarla, exfat should work for storage
[18:08] <oerheks> lxleuser__, oh .. interesting
[18:08] <Guest_41> TNK
[18:08] <lordcirth> smithsr93, there should be an option in the installer?
[18:09] <lxleuser__> oerheks: wonder now if its this version of ubuntu i'm using.  it has some tweaks to run smooh on older machines and still look snazzy lol
[18:10] <smithsr93> lordcirth, no, it was a very easy install perhaps as VMWare makes it too simple, everything was automatic
[18:10] <lordcirth> smithsr93, ah, that sounds like a VMWare-specific question, then
[18:10] <Guest_41> its not working
[18:11] <lordcirth> Guest_41, how so?
[18:11] <Guest_41> to upgrade from beta to the final lts
[18:12] <lordcirth> Guest_41, what happened? nothing?
[18:12] <Guest_41> nothing
[18:12] <YeOldHinnerk> ok, I have no luck in #nextcloud, dead silent there, but since it is also ubuntu related, let me place my question here:
[18:12] <YeOldHinnerk> I have an ubuntu 18.04 server, where I installed nexctcloud via snap.
[18:14] <oerheks> YeOldHinnerk, what guide do you follow? maybe you get better help in #ubuntu-server btw
[18:14] <murielgodoi> Hi. I got "Dummy output" at audio device at 20.04(and even before update on 19.10). I already tryied google solutions (reinstall alsa and pulseaudio). How can I fix it?
[18:15] <lordcirth> Guest_41, if you updated recently, there might be no changes.
[18:15] <oerheks> murielgodoi, not enough info, on what hardware/soundcard details?
[18:15]  * oerheks waits for the chromebook answer....
[18:16] <Guest_41> i have make recently the update this week
[18:16] <murielgodoi> @oer
[18:16] <murielgodoi> @oer
[18:17] <murielgodoi> @oerheks lspci output at https://pastebin.com/9q75Aa2z
[18:18] <murielgodoi> Which others infos are useful for the diagnosis?
[18:26] <YeOldHinnerk> sorry, doorbell.
[18:26] <YeOldHinnerk> I got to the admin setup webpage w/o issues.
[18:27] <YeOldHinnerk> Then, when I enter the values and hit go, it takes abit, then a blank page appears.
[18:27] <YeOldHinnerk> I can verify in mysql the db was created.
[18:27] <YeOldHinnerk> However, when I go to nextcloud webpage, I get the amdin setup page again!
[18:27] <YeOldHinnerk> what to do?
[18:28] <leftyfb> YeOldHinnerk: contact nextcloud for support?
[18:28] <lordcirth> YeOldHinnerk, check the config file; particularly the value of "installed"
[18:28] <lordcirth> But probably best to look for Nextcloud support
[18:28] <YeOldHinnerk> leftyfb: Deadly silence in #nextcloud
[18:29] <fs_> hello all, is anyone else experiencing twitch sounds coming from their hardware? I hear this electric twitch every time I launch an application on Ubuntu 20...I did not experience this with Ubuntu 18 or 19.
[18:29] <smithsr93> Lordcirth, late reply,Perhaps, not hard to do maybe need to play around with VMware
[18:30] <mario_> ciao
[18:30] <YeOldHinnerk> I do not see a variable installed in config.php
[18:45] <sumagna> i want to install ubuntu 20.04 alongside windows 10
[18:45] <sumagna> the windows 10 has an EFI partition on the computer
[18:47] <sumagna> so how should i burn a usb into a live usb according to the aforesaid description
[18:48] <octav1a> Can anyone recommend a good program to edit a pdf, to move a figure, that is stored as a vector? (for example not just take a screenshot but actually move the vector elements)
[18:48] <Jonkarra> Sumagna you can use a piece of software called Rufus to make a bootable USB from an iso image
[18:48] <DArqueBishop> sumagna: just out of curiosity, why not virtualize it?
[18:49] <Jonkarra> https://rufus.ie/
[18:49] <crimson_king> I'm trying to upgrade 19.10 to 20.04 by running `update-manager -d`, but then the release notes that appeared says "Welcome to the Ubuntu 'Focal Fossa' development release". Development release?
[18:49] <Jonkarra> That works from windows at least
[18:49] <fs_> sumagna, https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[18:49] <sumagna> on ubuntu
[18:50] <sarnold> octav1a: *maybe* inkscape?
[18:50] <sumagna> thats a seperate computer
[18:50] <fs_> sumagna, https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu#1-overview
[18:50] <sumagna> for UEFI?
[18:50] <fs_> During my installation I was able to select UEFI installation afaik
[18:50] <leftyfb> sumagna: there's a tool called Startup Disk Creator
[18:50] <Jonkarra> Take a look here.. https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu#1-overview
[18:51] <sumagna> i know but will it make the usb UEFI compatible?
[18:51] <leftyfb> sumagna: did you try?
[18:52] <leftyfb> sumagna: the answer is yes
[18:52] <sumagna> oh ok
[18:52] <sumagna> thanks
[18:52] <Jonkarra> It shouldnt be an issue. Give it a try it either boots or it doesnt. If it doesnt you might have to google a little more. UEFI boot tends to be more of a problem when you need to install trusted drivers later
[18:53] <Jonkarra> Actually I thinking more of secure boot
[18:54] <sumagna> i am just preparing the usb stick today as its midnight and i have to go to sleep
[18:54] <sumagna> i will install it tomorrow
[18:54] <sumagna> i will take help from you guys because one time i messed it up pretty badly
[18:54] <Jonkarra> Still UEFI has been around for so long like I said though it either works or it doesnt. If it doesnt boot though you just take it out and boot as normal
[18:55] <fs_> I had issues with UEFI installing Ubuntu 20
[18:55] <fs_> managed to fix it in the end with a google search
[18:55] <sumagna> ok then can you help me tomorrow?
[18:56] <fs_> I am not an expert on this, but if we're online tomorrow sure
[18:56] <sarnold> sumagna: there's almost always someone around
[18:56] <sumagna> ok then
[18:56] <Jonkarra> As always if you have anything you really cant lose make sure you have it backed up somewhere ;)
[18:57] <Iarla> lordcirth: thanks, I'll stick with it then (exfat).
[19:00] <slingamn> i'm having trouble finding the checksum files for ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso and ubuntu-20.04-live-server-amd64.iso
[19:00] <slingamn> in particular, this file does not have the amd64 checksums: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/20.04/release/SHA256SUMS
[19:01] <sarnold> slingamn: http://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/SHA256SUMS
[19:01] <ioria> slingamn, https://releases.ubuntu.com/focal/SHA256SUMS
[19:01] <zteam> Hello, anybody else here is unable to upgrade to ubuntu 20.04. I tried running update-mananager but it tells me I already have the current version of Ubuntu (the settings for new distro is correct)
[19:02] <wingedrhino> Are there any installers / workarounds available for installing Ubuntu from within Ubuntu (or any other Linux), onto a different disk? Eg: I'd like to install it on a USB drive first.
[19:02] <slingamn> thanks
[19:02] <sarnold> zteam: 20.04 won't be offered as an upgrade immediately; re-run with do-release-upgrade -d   if you're sure you want to upgrade immediately
[19:02] <sarnold> zteam: (please do file bug reports for anything you run into)
[19:03] <sarnold> wingedrhino: debootstrap, but I've got no idea how you arrange for the thing to boot, it's often used for chroots / containers kinds of things
[19:03] <zteam> sarnold, I see. guess I wait  little bit then, but I guess Canonical should tell that in Release Notes :D
[19:03] <marcoagpinto> Hello! VirtualBox in Windows host:
[19:03] <marcoagpinto> [20:02] <marcoagpinto> 20.04, I can't install the guestadditions, it says make pearl blah blah is missing
[19:03] <marcoagpinto> [20:02] <marcoagpinto> how do I install it?
[19:04] <ioria> wingedrhino, you can use the loopback.cfg , but it's a bit technical
[19:04] <wingedrhino> I was thinking more along the lines of trying to get VirtualBox to make /dev/sdb available in a VM, and boot the ISO from that VM.
[19:04] <sarnold> wingedrhino: that'd probably work
[19:04] <ioria> also, if you use VM
[19:05] <wingedrhino> Not even sure if that's possible though. Lemme google around.
[19:06] <Xeteen> Dolphin is my default folder browser when I click on "Show in folder" in firefox and chrome it opens up the default gnome file explorer, how can I fix that?
[19:06] <divu> n
[19:13] <feannag> in gpg, what does the error "bad session key" mean? does it simply mean the passphrase is wrong?
[19:13] <oerheks> Xeteen, something like; xdg-mime default nautilus.desktop inode/directory application/x-gnome-saved-search
[19:15] <pavlos> feannag: version of gpg ? the key was encrypted with an older version and is trying to decrypt with a newer version
[19:18] <feannag> pavlos, the version is 2.2.4
[19:18] <zteam> marcoagpinto,sudo apt install virtualbox-guest-x11 virtualbox-guest-utils that will install those files needed by Ubuntu, for Windows you need to install the guest-utils there as well, you might need to install perl for that
[19:18] <jStefan> is update-manager from command line set to find 20.04 yet?
[19:18] <Deano59> where can I get the stable mini iso?
[19:18] <oerheks> jwhy ask again? no, not until 20.04.1 in july
[19:19] <oerheks> jStefan, ^^
[19:19] <jStefan> not using lts
[19:19] <jStefan> from 19.10
[19:19] <ioria> Xeteen, are you sure your default file manager is dolphin ?
[19:19] <dax> jStefan: then: no, not for a few days
[19:19] <zteam> jStefan, I don't tkink it is
[19:20] <jStefan> oerheks, sorry for confusion early questions were for another system, It's 2 different systems
[19:20] <hansol> heho
[19:20] <hansol> from where i can download ubuntu netbook edition
[19:20] <Neeknaim> Hello
[19:20] <Deano59> where can I get the stable mini iso?
[19:20] <pavlos> Deano59: you can d/l the standard ubuntu and do a minimal install
[19:21] <oerheks> hansol, there is no netbook edition anymore, long time gone.
[19:21] <Deano59> pavlos now what I want though :(
[19:21] <dax> hansol: Ubuntu Netbook Edition has't existed since 2010.
[19:21] <Neeknaim> For some reason I can't find Calligra Plan in kubuntu 18.04. Has it been removed from 18.04?
[19:21] <oerheks> mate/xubuntu are lightweight, perhaps lubuntu
[19:21] <oerheks> !flavors
[19:21] <zteam> Why should they need a special version netbooks? :O
[19:21] <Deano59> where can I get the stable mini iso?
[19:22] <Deano59> it isn't listed on ubuntu's site :(
[19:22] <oerheks> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso
[19:23] <dax> emphasis on "legacy-images"
[19:23] <Deano59> oerheks?
[19:23] <hansol> oerheks this is link ?
[19:23] <oerheks> mini.iso wiki needs to be editted..
[19:23] <oerheks> hansol, no netbook edition.
[19:23] <Deano59> that's not stable.
[19:23] <oerheks> Deano59, why not?
[19:23] <Deano59> see dax's reply.
[19:24] <dax> It is, it's just not something you should plan on having around for all future releases
[19:24] <Deano59> ?
[19:24] <dax> iirc the netboot ISOs use debian-installer. ubuntu is kicking debian-installer to the curb.
[19:24] <Deano59> I want an Internet install though...
[19:24] <Deano59> can do that with 18.04 LTS
[19:25] <hansol> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/ubuntu-10.10-netbook-i386.iso ???
[19:25] <hansol> this ??
[19:25] <Deano59> what the...
[19:25] <Deano59> lol
[19:25] <hansol> Deano59 ?
[19:26] <fs_> that is version 10 hansol
[19:26] <fs_> what you want is ubuntu-20
[19:26] <dax> hansol: Ubuntu Netbook Edition has not existed since 2010. It is not supported in this channel. Maverick in general is not supported in this channel, because it is *ten years old*
[19:26] <sarnold> hansol: that was released nine and a half years ago :)
[19:26] <oerheks> interesting, we tell you there is no netbook iso anymore, you come up with a dead, EOL version
[19:26] <pavlos> Deano59: it will appera here but the link is not good yet ... http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/focal/
[19:26] <hansol> not netboot but netbook
[19:26] <hansol> ok :(
[19:27] <oerheks> netboot/mini iso was a different question...
[19:28] <dax> Deano59: allegedly Subiquity (the new-style Ubuntu Server installer) supports netbooting, but I have no idea how to do it. #ubuntu-server may have more info.
[19:29] <dax> (or rather, i know how to netboot things, i have no experience with Subiquity in particular)
[19:30] <dax> i also have no idea whether that's available for Desktop too
[19:30] <sarnold> Deano59, dax, perhaps this? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/netbooting-the-live-server-installer/14510
[19:31] <dax> oh, there we go
[19:31] <sarnold> Deano59,dax, a handful more links on https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/please-test-autoinstalls-for-20-04/15250
[19:31] <Deano59> not what I want... lol
[19:32] <zteam> dax, that doesn't really matter much, all you have to do is run sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop from a terminal and it will install the gnome-desktop enviroment
[19:32] <Deano59> I want the "mini.iso" that'll allow me to do either a server install or xubuntu, ubuntu-desktop etc.
[19:32] <Deano59> the options is WHAT I want. ;P
[19:33] <Deano59> see what I mean?
[19:33] <zteam> Deano59, try the server.iso and then use the terminal and run the command I just wrote
[19:33] <ioria> Deano59, the image in the  posted link works ... what's the problem ?
[19:33] <Deano59> iOllieN?
[19:34] <Deano59> oops
[19:34] <Deano59> ioria?
[19:34] <ioria> yes ?
[19:34] <Deano59> what "image"
[19:34] <hansol> IMA LI BULGARI ??
[19:34] <ioria> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso
[19:34] <ioria> ^ that
[19:34] <Deano59> again, see dax's reply. sigh.
[19:35] <oerheks> 	mini.iso	2020-04-21 ,,,
[19:35] <Deano59> "legacy-images"
[19:35] <ioria> about the installer ?
[19:35] <ioria> and ... what ?
[19:35] <Deano59> ^
[19:35] <oerheks> what is wrong?
[19:35] <oerheks> nothing, see the date
[19:35] <ioria> Deano59, what the problem with d-i  or subiquity ?
[19:35] <Deano59> what?
[19:35] <Deano59> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso no date.
[19:36] <Deano59> "legacy-images"
[19:36] <oerheks> what?
[19:36] <Deano59> not what I want...
[19:36] <zteam> Deano59, he told you can use the installer for now, but that you shouldn't count on it forever
[19:36] <oerheks> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/    and use your eyes
[19:36] <Deano59> why not?
[19:36] <leftyfb> Deano59: the mini.iso you posted will work just fine
[19:36] <Deano59> oerheks see above. thanks.
[19:36] <oerheks> i am done.
[19:36] <amicrawler> hello
[19:36] <Deano59> leftyfb thank you!
[19:37] <Deano59> it wasn't released today though.. the 21st?
[19:37] <leftyfb> Deano59: legacy in that case is not referring to the release. Just the method of the iso
[19:37] <amicrawler> ubuntu 19.10 issues
[19:37] <amicrawler> very upset now
[19:37] <amicrawler> will not update
[19:37] <Deano59> leftyfb why does it say the 21st?
[19:37] <amicrawler> can any body
[19:37] <leftyfb> Deano59: it pulls down all packages from the repo's, no packages are actually on the iso, so it doesn't matter when it was released
[19:37] <ioria> Deano59, there's no problem in that
[19:38] <Deano59> thank you! :D
[19:38] <Deano59> no sleep for me tonight lol thanks again! :D
[19:38] <zteam> amicrawler, I had the same problem... upgrades is not avaialbe yet, you can force it, if you really want to thought
[19:41] <zteam> amicrawler, Canonical seems to be holding updates back for a few days, to ensure there isn't too many critical bugs
[19:42] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: updating  to 20.04 you mean or just usual updates for 19.10 ?
[19:43] <Thete> anyone figure out how to get fractional scaling with 4k displays and nvidia gpu working?
[19:43] <ioria> still experimental, afaik
[19:44] <Thete> worked fine in 19.04-19.10
[19:45] <zteam> I wonder then Wayland will be available to Nvidia users? (yes I know I should ask Nvidia)
[19:45] <Thete> now that it's release, it's broken lol
[19:45] <deego> https://elementaryos.stackexchange.com/questions/10591/is-it-possible-to-find-out-what-caused-or-might-have-caused-my-encrypted-home  - i see the same thing. Any clue why home directories would randomly unmount?
[19:47] <zteam> deego, try "sudo dmesg | grep /home" for clues (without ")
[19:48] <deego> zteam: thanks. nothing matches home in dmesg
[19:48] <zteam> deego, try "sudo dmesg | grep ecryptfs might prove better
[19:49] <deego> ditto. nothing matches crypt
[19:49] <deego> same in syslog
[19:49] <zteam> deego, if not try sudo dmesg | tail right after it happens next time
[19:49] <deego> (nothing for mount either) will do, thanks
[19:51] <amicrawler> cant do any upgrade to 19.10 on one of my ibm lenova laptop
[19:52] <amicrawler> my other one updates all day long and works
[19:52] <amicrawler> my new ibm is a a8 cpu
[19:52] <amicrawler> old one is a i5
[19:53] <amicrawler> same ram same install 19.10
[19:53] <amicrawler> 4gb ram
[19:53] <amicrawler> and ideas
[19:53] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: can be a bad time to upgrade on the day
[19:54] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: the day of release, since so many other people also doing so
[19:54] <sebsebseb> and then things get slow or  uh
[19:54] <WaV> Me as well. Mostly because that is the package available, lol.
[19:54] <WaV> Oops, wrong chan
[19:54] <zteam> amicrawler, go to program & updates -> updates -> notify for all upgrades also make sure you are using the official server
[19:55] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: but yes check the repos
[19:57] <amicrawler> i did
[19:57] <amicrawler> did in term
[19:59] <Thete> nevermind, apparently I'm not the only one having issues https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22953874
[19:59] <Thete> and bugs been filed already
[20:00] <oerheks> bug 1870736
[20:00] <oerheks> bug 1873403
[20:00] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: I know this sounds a bit like turn it off and on again the computer :D,  but seriously if you try again on the same machine in say a day or two, it may just work,  well as long as your repos are  ok of course
[20:01] <EriC^^> amicrawler: what does "grep -i prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" give?
[20:02] <Thete> oerheks: yeah that last bug is the issue I'm having, least it's known :)
[20:02] <zteam> if only Nvidia would follow the standards instead of trying to invent there own... :-/
[20:03] <amicrawler> said its at its end of life
[20:03] <amicrawler> error
[20:03] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: said that what is ?
[20:03] <sebsebseb> !pastebin
[20:03] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: paste bin the out put
[20:04] <EriC^^> amicrawler: run that command above in a terminal and share the output
[20:05] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: 19.10 isn't end of life, but 19.04 is end of life
[20:07] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | amicrawler
[20:07] <EriC^^> amicrawler: you'll need to update the sources.list to old-releases.ubuntu.com instead of archive.ubuntu.com to be able to upgrade
[20:08] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: maybe you think you got 19.10 on there, but it's actually 19.04, if so you can upgrade through 19.10 to 20.04, or do a clean install with 20.04, but now that 19.04 is an end of life relase I guess got to upgrade it the eol release way
[20:08] <sebsebseb> which is the old release thing yep
[20:08] <sebsebseb> that EriC^^ mentions
[20:09] <EriC^^> previously he mentioned upgrading "to" 19.10, unless it was a typo
[20:09] <sebsebseb> EriC^^: did he?  I thought it was 20.04
[20:09] <sebsebseb> but yes 19.04 is end of life
[20:09] <sebsebseb> I might have read wrongly or missed something, but I thought it was one machine was upgrading fine to 20.04, but the other was having issues
[20:11] <bray90820> Is it ok to do a sudo do-release-upgrade -d from 19.10
[20:12] <sebsebseb> bray90820: I think since 20.04 is released don't need the -d now but may be wrong a bit
[20:12] <sebsebseb> !upgrade
[20:13] <sebsebseb> no I am probably right  about the -d
[20:13] <bray90820> I tried it without the D and it didn't work
[20:13] <amicrawler> i tried this
[20:13] <amicrawler> https://www.fosslinux.com/16419/how-to-fix-ubuntu-not-updating-issue-due-to-the-broken-packages.htm
[20:13] <sebsebseb> bray90820: probably woudn't hurt trying with the d
[20:13] <EriC^^> that's what...*struggles to contain*
[20:13] <amicrawler> https://www.fosslinux.com/16419/how-to-fix-ubuntu-not-updating-issue-due-to-the-broken-packages.htm
[20:13] <sebsebseb> EriC^^: what was that ?
[20:14] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: you have a broken package manager as well?  pastebin your output
[20:14] <EriC^^> sebsebseb: the "i tried it without the D..." was just a perfect setup for a joke
[20:14] <oft_gegong> so is 20.04 gonna come out with the nvidia driver in the liveOS/liveUSB/liveISO?
[20:14] <amicrawler> i did a sudo apt-get install -f
[20:14] <amicrawler> just said nothing
[20:15] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: show us everything from the terminal put it on pastebin
[20:15] <oft_gegong> (non-free nvidia driver, ie.)
[20:15] <amicrawler> i cant
[20:15] <bray90820> I mean sudo do-release-upgrade -d would work but I am just wondering if there is anything wrong with doing that
[20:15] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: sure you can, just highlight it and copy and paste ???
[20:15] <amicrawler> i cant install irc on it
[20:15] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: oh it's  a server ?
[20:15] <amicrawler> im on my workstation
[20:16] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: you could type n some command output too but might take a bit that way
[20:16] <amicrawler> ubuntu 18
[20:16] <sebsebseb> bray90820: omgubuntu had such a great link about  ugprading, with and without the d a few of those even,but I don't see one this time
[20:16] <amicrawler> i did a clean install
[20:16] <amicrawler> no upgrade
[20:16] <amicrawler> via ethernet
[20:17] <sebsebseb> bray90820: if it doesn't work without the -d it probably will with the d and should be fe
[20:17] <bray90820> ok
[20:17] <bray90820> Thanks
[20:17] <kaleido> -d works and is good to go
[20:17] <kaleido> just did that an hour ago
[20:17] <sebsebseb> bray90820: if it doens't work without the -d it probably will with the d and should be fine
[20:18] <kinghat> umm what was the correct order for a dual boot of win10 and ubuntu supposed to be?
[20:18] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: a clean install of what ?
[20:18] <bray90820> Ok thanks
[20:18] <kinghat> separate drives*
[20:18] <amicrawler> ubuntu 19.10 made a dvd iso
[20:18] <sebsebseb> kinghat: Windows first, and then Ubuntu after, is uusally the best way to go
[20:18] <kinghat> damn i already am running ubuntu
[20:18] <amicrawler> ubuntu is the only os on the drive
[20:19] <sebsebseb> kinghat: if you put Windows on after, it will mess with Grub  very likely to
[20:19] <amicrawler> did a erase and install
[20:19] <amicrawler> same issue
[20:19] <sebsebseb> kinghat: of course Grub could then be re installed or set up, but you could have other fun on a EFI system which Windows 10 machines are as well, fun as in not actsually fun
[20:19] <sebsebseb> !dualboot
[20:20] <kinghat> ya, damn. i dont want to start fresh with ubuntu again.
[20:20] <sebsebseb> kinghat: you could do Windows after, but it will  likely mess with Grub
[20:20] <sebsebseb> kinghat: resulting in WIndows booting but not Ubuntu, untill fixed
[20:21] <oerheks> see the grub factoid
[20:21] <oerheks> !grub
[20:21] <sebsebseb> !grub
[20:21] <kinghat> my grub is already jacked tbh. i have to have a second linux install on another drive to have a functioning grub.
[20:22] <sebsebseb> kinghat: yes that kind of thing can be a wrok around too :D
[20:22] <sebsebseb> work around
[20:22] <oerheks> chainloading grub..
[20:24] <amicrawler> let me see the errors again brb
[20:25] <kinghat> i could just use the mobo boot menu too i guess
[20:25] <Thete> boot-repair no longer installs without some crazy hackery
[20:25] <sebsebseb> kinghat: the mobo what's that ?
[20:25] <Thete> should be part of the livcd image imo
[20:25] <kinghat> motherboard
[20:25] <sebsebseb> kinghat: you could use the WIndwos boot menu to load up Ubuntu bu that's more complacted
[20:25] <sebsebseb> kinghat: do you mean like the f9 key ?
[20:25] <sebsebseb> for mobo ?
[20:26] <kinghat> ya. f12 or del for me iirc
[20:26] <sebsebseb> kinghat: on a EFI system you an end up with like two boot loaders basically,  both of which  can get into from the boot menu, so a Windows boot loader, and  Ubuntu boot loader
[20:26] <sebsebseb> kinghat: plus put some other didstro on could get one for that even etc as an example
[20:26] <amicrawler> going to boot my laptop
[20:26] <amicrawler> brb
[20:26] <sebsebseb> but then one of thse boot loaders should be able to boot up all the OSe's really
[20:27] <sebsebseb> kinghat: depends on your lap top, but with mine  no longer got Windows on it, but when did, I would set the Ubuntu Grub as default and that would also load Windows
[20:28] <sebsebseb> kinghat: or if I felt like it I ould have just Windows  loading up
[20:28] <fs_> does anyone know what the package of Power Statistics is? I want to remove the package
[20:29] <sebsebseb> fs_: what like battery stats you mean ?
[20:29] <kinghat> hmm this is a desktop. im just going to put win10 on a separate drive in the system and see what happens 😬
[20:29] <fs_> there's an app called "Power Statistics" in my GNOME drawer
[20:29] <fs_> I just want to remove that app
[20:29] <sebsebseb> remove it why ?
[20:29] <fs_> cause it is of no use
[20:29] <sebsebseb> whys that ?
[20:29] <pavlos> fs_: gnome-power-statistics
[20:30] <sebsebseb> it's a default in GNOME
[20:30] <fs_> thanks pavlos
[20:30] <sebsebseb> put there since that
[20:30] <fs_> yeah but if I dont need it why keep it
[20:30] <sebsebseb> it migh want to remove other stuff that you do want when you try and remove that, depends
[20:30] <fs_> I guess so
[20:31] <sebsebseb> fs_: if your thinking space  hard disk space like a Windows user,  it usaully doesn't matter much at all in Linux land, because the programs are smaller
[20:31] <sebsebseb> fs_: or  a program uses a load of shared dependancies with other programs that also use it, eithe way the hard disk doesn't usaully get as quickly full
[20:31] <fs_> nah it's not disk space, it's just redundant to have imo
[20:31] <fs_> but yeah if it's a dependency that would be an issue
[20:32] <sebsebseb> fs_: also thesee programs don't clutter things up  or as such, unlike most programs on a Windows system for example, so having a few  that are there by default but not really used, aren't going to do much
[20:33] <amicrawler> ok typing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get  dist-update
[20:33] <pavlos> fs_: note: package gnome-power-manager contains gnome-power-statistics
[20:33] <sebsebseb> fs_: yep check what it may want to remove with that, and then you should be ok in making the choise to remove  or to uhmm actually keep
[20:34] <fs_> thanks pavlos I got it now!
[20:34] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: yes but from whawt release ?
[20:34] <fs_> sebsebseb, you're right...but it's a preference of mine I guess
[20:34] <amicrawler> what the command
[20:34] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: if you got 19.04 it may not just work to upgrade to 19.10 like that, since 19.04 is now eol
[20:34] <sebsebseb> untill the repos are set to old releases
[20:35] <amicrawler> can't do sercertly disabled by default
[20:35] <sebsebseb> what's disabled ?
[20:35] <amicrawler> update
[20:35] <WaV> If I wanted the most up-to-date irssi, and the version I currently have installed is what was available via the irssi-dev package, what would be the preferred method to do so? Remove currently installed package then install/build from git? Or is there a way to upgrade the currently installed package?
[20:36] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: yes it won't let you upgrade to 19.10 if yoru on a 19.04 system, untill you make it yourself
[20:36] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: you have to change the repos yourself and get them  changed to old releases and then it should work
[20:37] <amicrawler> ok  so i need to readd then ?
[20:37] <sebsebseb> WaV: uhmmm I guess there way is the most up to date, unless there's a ppa or something maybe,  or just install from source sure
[20:37] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: you need to change the repos
[20:37] <amicrawler> ok
[20:37] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: edit them
[20:37] <amicrawler> in update
[20:37] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: et sources
[20:37] <sebsebseb> etc
[20:37] <amicrawler> ok
[20:37] <sebsebseb> before you try and upgrade
[20:37] <sebsebseb> it needs to have the correct repos for that, or not going to work
[20:37] <sebsebseb> see eol upgrades
[20:37] <sebsebseb> !eol
[20:37] <WaV> sebsebseb: Should the currently installed package be removed first or will it install over it?
[20:38] <sebsebseb> WaV: depends  not sure quite,  I assume it will either go over the one you got, or keep that on there as well
[20:39] <sebsebseb> WaV: probably go over it taking a guess, since irssi is a command line tool anyway
[20:39] <WaV> sebsebseb: ok, thanks.
[20:40] <amicrawler> is there  a repo for 19.10
[20:40] <amicrawler> not 19.04
[20:40] <amicrawler> or is it the same
[20:40] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: I think you have to edit your 19.04 repos first to the old release stuff
[20:41] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: and then after that, you  can upgrade in  the otherwise normal way to 19.10
[20:41] <amicrawler> even if installed 19.10
[20:41] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: the repos are locked in 19.04 as well,  froozen
[20:41] <sebsebseb> so packages stay on there last versions when it went end of life everything
[20:41] <sebsebseb> including the upgrade program basically, but the way around that is to edit sources for the old release repos
[20:42] <sebsebseb> then once you done that, you try and upgrade to 19.10 and should work, and 19.10 is still supported for now but only untill the end of July, so you might as well try and ugprade it to 20.04 soon as well the 19.10 once got
[20:43] <EriC^^> if you miss your chance to upgrade to 19.10, then it might not work anymore even with old-releases, fwiw, then you'll have to do some messy stuff to upgrade
[20:43] <EriC^^> amicrawler: ^
[20:43] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: if you have installed from 19.10 to begin with, you should be able to upgrade to 20.04 directly
[20:45] <EriC^^> you'll need -d to upgrade to 20.04 for now til the 20.04.1 release comes out, then it works without -d
[20:45] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: sometimes its easer and a load cleanrer to just do a new install of the new version, but that depends a bit
[20:45] <sebsebseb> EriC^^: ah bingo,  so the guy earlier  that I said upgrade with the -d yep that was right, and explains why it  didn't work without
[20:46] <amicrawler> permission denided
[20:46] <sebsebseb> !sudo
[20:46] <sebsebseb> amicrawler: make sure your using sudo when doing certain commands
[20:47] <KjetilK> I'm trying to follow TJ-'s https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[20:47] <KjetilK> but I have an existing Windows partition. I haven't used Windows in very long time, but I have no particular reason to purge it either, so I'm wondering how I can do this if I have to keep the partition numbers as 1,2,3,5
[20:47] <sebsebseb> Full disk encryption is for the paranoid :D or is it :D
[20:47] <oerheks> Full Disk Encryption takes whole disk, AFAIK
[20:47] <KjetilK> Also, I think I don't need a BIOS boot, and there is also already a EFI system partition
[20:48] <sebsebseb> KjetilK: yes you do
[20:48] <sebsebseb> KjetilK: if your doing Windows 10 and Ubuntu you need the EFI stuff
[20:48] <KjetilK> sebsebseb: Oh, OK, why?
[20:48] <sebsebseb> unless you got things in legacy mode maybe
[20:48] <sebsebseb> but otherwise no
[20:48] <sebsebseb> KjetilK: since that's all part of the UEFI stuff on the motherboard of these newer computers
[20:48] <KjetilK> right, I know I need EFI, but I thought I shouldn't need BIOS boot
[20:49] <sebsebseb> BIOS boot ??
[20:49] <amicrawler> i do
[20:49] <KjetilK> sebsebseb: yeah, that's the term TJ- was using
[20:50] <KjetilK> but yeah, since I am installing from scratch, I figured I'd go full paranoia :-)
[20:50] <VinPop> Kubuntu
[20:51] <oerheks> Kubuntu?
[20:53] <sebsebseb> Lubuntu Xubuntu  etc ha ha
[21:00] <adamsmith34> Hello, all.
[21:00] <oerheks> :)
[21:01] <sebsebseb> adamsmith34: hi
[21:04] <sleepee> hello everybody. i hope everybody is keeping safe.
[21:05] <adamsmith34> Hello, sleepee. Likewise.
[21:07] <sleepee> i recently nuked and installed 18.04.  ever since, i keep getting errors when trying to resolve hostnames on my local lan.   i have a local dns resolver.  it seems to work just fine at first, but after a while (i think after my laptop goes to sleep it seems) i'll get this error message:
[21:07] <sebsebseb> sleepee: some are staying at home,  upgrading to 20.04 yeah
[21:07] <sleepee> "ping: <hostname>: Temporary failure in name resolution"
[21:08] <sleepee> yeah.  i'm tryinig out 20.04 on a vm.  so far so good.  another rock solid release from what i've seen so far.
[21:09] <sleepee> i'm sticking with 18.04 for a while on my daily driver though... just in case.
[21:09] <sebsebseb> sleepee: yeah  nothing that ground breaking in 20.04 really
[21:10] <sleepee> sebsebseb: that's the way i like it for lts releases. lol
[21:10] <sebsebseb> sleepee: yes bugt it's been the last few or so standard releases too
[21:10] <sebsebseb> oh wow theme changes, uhmm no not quite
[21:10] <sleepee> would've liked to see some improvements in hi-dpi handling.  i hope that comes in the future.
[21:11] <Mordoc> Has anyone played around with the zfs snapshots that are automatically created before package updates? Sounds like a great feature...
[21:11] <sebsebseb> Mordoc: zfs is a debatable feature, should it or should it not be in Ubuntu,  some say no since not open enough, others are like eh
[21:11] <sebsebseb> Mordoc: I thinik most ubuntu users won't use zfs  just like currently won't use btrfs
[21:12] <sebsebseb> or even xfs
[21:12] <adamsmith34> In central US and 20.04 is still unavailable in fresh 18.04 install: # do-release-upgrade / "There is no development version of an LTS available..." A few hours ago, there were updates to the update-manager and I rebooted, but no love.
[21:12] <Mordoc> sebsebseb: Agreed, isn't there some licensing questions around it?
[21:12] <sebsebseb> Mordoc: yep something like that, that's what I was reffering to as well
[21:12] <sleepee> i like having zfs as an option.  not default though.  i think that's a good compromise.
[21:12] <sebsebseb> it's meant to apparantly be a good file system otherwise
[21:13] <sleepee> wait.  has 20.04 been officially released already?
[21:13] <Mordoc> Personally, I'm hanging around with 18.04 mostly because it works and I'm lazy or like I say, "I need to get work done."
[21:13] <sleepee> i'm guessing do-release-upgrade won't work until a little while after the official release
[21:14] <sebsebseb> sleepee: you need the -d still to upgrade currently
[21:14] <sleepee> Mordoc: same here
[21:14] <sebsebseb> sleepee: untill 20.04.1
[21:14] <chaslinux> sleepee I think it's usually not until the 20.04.1 release?
[21:15] <sleepee> sebsebseb: pause.  that sounds weird saying it out loud.  lol!
[21:15] <sebsebseb> sleepee: what does ?
[21:15] <adamsmith34> I don't know about official, but it is on the web site, so I've been trying it per instructions I've found on a couple tech blogs.
[21:15] <sleepee> "you need the -d to upgrade"
[21:16] <sleepee> in my head, i said it "You need the D"
[21:17] <sleepee> for the life of me, i can't understand why nslookup works fine, but i can't ping my hostnames.
[21:17] <sebsebseb> sleepee:  you don't need the C, Corona,  but this is off topic here
[21:17] <sleepee> lol!
[21:17] <him-cesjf_> Hi! I am trying to use fingerprint-gui based on instructions here - https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui but when I am running fingerprint-gui, I get segmentation fault on scanning finger. How can I solve this?
[21:17] <marcoagpinto> guys?! Why doesn't DEL delete my folder on the desktop of 20.04? I have to right-click and select to move to the trash can
[21:18] <sleepee> how does this work?
[21:18] <sleepee> sleepee@hacbook-touch:~$ ping -c 1 gitsvr01
[21:18] <sleepee> ping: gitsvr01: Temporary failure in name resolution
[21:18] <sleepee> sleepee@hacbook-touch:~$ nslookup gitsvr01 <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:18] <sleepee> Server:		<IP_ADDRESS>
[21:18] <sleepee> Address:	<IP_ADDRESS>#53
[21:18] <sleepee> Name:	gitsvr01.melaza.pr
[21:20] <sebsebseb> marcoagpinto: hmm what folder ?
[21:20] <sebsebseb> marcoagpinto: really GNOME doesn't want things on the desktop, but Ubuntu allows for a few things to go on the desktop
[21:21] <marcoagpinto> sebsebseb: I created a folder
[21:21] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:21] <marcoagpinto> with a right-click
[21:21] <marcoagpinto> then clicked on it and pressed DEL
[21:23] <alexeightsix> how do i upgrade to the new release? i typed update-manager -d ... but the release notes say it's a development release
[21:24] <sebsebseb> alexeightsix: yes you need the -d for now
[21:24] <sebsebseb> alexeightsix: untill 20.04.1
[21:24] <sebsebseb> alexeightsix: so you can upgrade with that from 19.10
[21:25] <alexeightsix> so it's still considered beta?
[21:25] <sebsebseb> alexeightsix: no its releaesd today but they keep the -d on for a bit after wards
[21:25] <sebsebseb> for stability etc
[21:25] <alexeightsix> ok thx
[21:25] <sebsebseb> alexeightsix: upgrading today would make you an early adopter but it's not beta
[21:31] <dynamicsamurai> Hi all, possibly a dumb question... I would like to upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04, so I set the setting to notify me about all new versions, not just LTS versions, but I only get notified about 19.10. Is this to do with my choice of mirror? Or do I have to go through 19.10 to get to 20.04?
[21:32] <sebsebseb> dynamicsamurai: ok that's a standard one
[21:32] <sebsebseb> dynamicsamurai: when a new LTS  releaes from someoen on one and not a stupid question at all
[21:33] <sebsebseb> dynamicsamurai: yep get it showing non LTS releaess sure, but it won't show 20.04 just yet, because the 20.04.1 isn't out yet, but you can still upgrade LTS to LTS already
[21:33] <sebsebseb> may have to use the -d I guess like if from 19.10  not sure quite
[21:33] <sebsebseb> !upgrade
[21:33] <CarloWood> I can reproduce a bug, but it only occurs when I login with 'plasma'... Can someone tell me what exactly is the difference between logging in with plasma and the other possibilities?
[21:33] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: what bug ?
[21:33] <sebsebseb> and what other possibiites
[21:34] <dynamicsamurai> sebsebseb: thanks for your response, so I should use the command-line approach with the -d flag?
[21:34] <sebsebseb> dynamicsamurai: check an upgrade guide but yes  something like that
[21:35] <CarloWood> sebsebseb: If you reboot ubuntu you get on a login screen. In the bottom left you can choose between "Gnome with Xorg", "Gnome with wayland", "plasma", "fluxbox" .. if I remembered them correctly.  Those options.
[21:35] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: uhmm by default you won't have plasma or fluxbox, but if you put them on yourself you should have yes
[21:35] <CarloWood> There was also "openbox" but that completely froze my machine and I had to reboot.
[21:35] <sebsebseb> same with openbox not by default, but if you put on yourself you should have
[21:36] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: open box is well black
[21:36] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: black screen with a  right click menu and that's about it
[21:36] <dynamicsamurai> ubottu: thanks for the links
[21:36] <dynamicsamurai> sebsebseb: thanks, will do!
[21:36] <CarloWood> Maybe in a distance past I installed them to try them out, I can't remember that though.
[21:36] <sebsebseb> !thanks dynamicsamurai
[21:36] <sebsebseb> !thanks
[21:36] <CarloWood> sebsebseb: So you're telling me that plasma is not supported here and I can't talk about it therefore?
[21:37] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: right so this is not Windows,  this is Linux :)
[21:37] <sebsebseb> Desktop Linux
[21:37] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: which means differnet distros that's one thing, but also differnet interfaces and so on
[21:37] <sebsebseb> log in screen's even
[21:37] <CarloWood> I never used windows
[21:37] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: plasma is supported here well kubuntu
[21:38] <sebsebseb> they also got a seperate channel but won't be as active as this one
[21:38] <CarloWood> If you can run plasma to test this out then I can show you the bug.
[21:38] <sebsebseb> if I logged out of things maybe, but eh
[21:38] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: KDE also has a channel but that's  for all distros  KDE / plasma channel
[21:39] <sebsebseb> !kde
[21:39] <CarloWood> I'm not TOO happy about my current setup: the session manager isn't working very well.  Windows aren't put back exactly where they should and all konsole terminals enter the same bloody directory - that is useless.  So, I'm willing to switch if there is a better alternative.
[21:40] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: I don't know quite,  if you want a good KDE distro, that's up to date as well,  you could try KDE Neon
[21:40] <sebsebseb> for example
[21:41] <CarloWood> And then I'm not even talking about the constant crashing of the window manager and/or whatever else runs the "desktop"
[21:41] <CarloWood> Is KDE neon a complete linux distro?
[21:41] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: try ##linux #kde / #plasma  I think most people in here are on GNOME  with some on Unity from the repo's since it's Ubuntu here
[21:41] <sarnold> i3wm here :)
[21:42] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: it's like there test thing, get latest KDE stuff early, and I think based on Ubuntu in background
[21:42] <oerheks> neon is just a playground with newer packages
[21:42] <CarloWood> sebsebseb: am I remembering your name from stackoverflow?  Not sure...
[21:42] <oerheks> kubuntu+backports is better and more stable
[21:42] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: from what ?
[21:43] <sebsebseb> sarnold: tileing wm ?
[21:43] <CarloWood> Good question... there is a 'seb*' there who is very knowledgable about a certain topic... but I can't even remember which topic lol.
[21:43] <sarnold> sebsebseb: yes
[21:43] <sebsebseb> sarnold: yes some are into that kind of stuff, such as a guy from my LUG
[21:43] <sebsebseb> I think
[21:43] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: probably not me
[21:43] <CarloWood> If you don't know stackoverflow (you ask "from what?") then it is not you.
[21:45] <CarloWood> asking on #plasma
[21:45] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: ok good luck :)
[21:46] <YeOldHinnerk> Fun question: Once upon a time, I thought I would be clever and mark some folder in my music with a beginning underscore, so they would show first.
[21:46] <YeOldHinnerk> Turns out, that is treated everywhere differently.
[21:47] <YeOldHinnerk> When I look at the share from my windows laptop, fine, that works.
[21:47] <YeOldHinnerk> The Files app in Ubuntu sorts them, well, I think by the letter following the underscore?
[21:47] <YeOldHinnerk> DLNA sorts them to the end.
[21:47] <Gozetto> Hello, I need a help, Someone know a Speech Recognizer softwares that work using pt-BR? :)
[21:47] <sebsebseb> YeOldHinnerk: the files app is just uhmm uh it used to be good, but then became just uh
[21:47] <YeOldHinnerk> What would be a better choice?
[21:48] <YeOldHinnerk> ah
[21:48] <YeOldHinnerk> that was my feeling too.
[21:48] <YeOldHinnerk> what should i use instead?
[21:48] <sebsebseb> YeOldHinnerk: it's old but I use thunar usually instead or try too
[21:48] <sebsebseb> YeOldHinnerk: or I could have a fork of the old GNOME 2  nautilus from mate or something
[21:48] <sebsebseb> not sure if would fit your needs but for me perfect :)
[21:48] <YeOldHinnerk> i'm fairly simple to satisfy.
[21:49] <sebsebseb> YeOldHinnerk: yeah try thunar
[21:49] <sebsebseb> YeOldHinnerk: it's from XFCE
[21:49] <YeOldHinnerk> just never thought they would show up somewhere in the middle...
[21:49] <YeOldHinnerk> oh, i'll give it a shot
[21:49] <sebsebseb> YeOldHinnerk: got a few options actsually for file managers
[21:49] <sebsebseb> YeOldHinnerk: so yaeh cuja or whatever it's called now that's the old GNOME 2 Nautilus forked what Mate uses
[21:50] <sebsebseb> YeOldHinnerk: then you got things like the old Konquerer browser or file manager from KDE
[21:50] <sebsebseb> or the newer Dolphin from KDE
[21:50] <sebsebseb> YeOldHinnerk:  with  all these optons should be able to find a quite suitable file manager :)
[21:52] <YeOldHinnerk> Konquerer - that sounds familiar from uh 25 years back or so?
[21:52] <YeOldHinnerk> HAd a long break from linux.
[21:52] <sebsebseb> YeOldHinnerk: sure it must have been in KDE 3 as well
[21:52] <sebsebseb> yes it was
[21:52] <CarloWood> So.. these days you can choose between Wayland or Xorg, between Gnome or KDE, then you can pick one of many window managers(?) or? And are there also other options that you can vary?
[21:52] <sebsebseb> but you would have a KDE 5 version in the Ubuntu repos
[21:52] <sebsebseb> or KDE 4 maybe
[21:53] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: yep exactly and it's pretty much always been like that,  except for the xorg and wayland thing
[21:53] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: GNOME, KDE, XFCE, LXDE,  Mate, Unity 7  the old interface with Ubuntu yep,  open box, flux box, and so on
[21:54] <sebsebseb> that titleing window manager someoene mentioned earalier etc
[21:54] <CarloWood> I never was able to wrap my head around what each of these do... I mean.. I know what a window manager does, I once had one that I wrote loads of bug fixes for to support multihead better. But I have no idea what other things are involved, like the taskbar and what are those things called.
[21:55] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: simple  got desktop envrionments and window managers
[21:55] <sebsebseb> and there is a difference
[21:56] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: put simply  a Desktop Envrionment is more full featured such as GNOME and KDE the two most popular in Linux land,  its not just an interface it's a load of programs too   and a window manager is just an interface a GUI basically
[21:56] <CarloWood> What I care most about is that things work perfect while using multiple monitors of different sizes.  Next that a session is restored exactly the way it was after a relog :/. For the rest I don't care much.
[21:57] <sebsebseb> and  the old Unity interface that Ubuntu used to have by default, went on top of most of the rest of GNOME but instead of their interface GNOME Shell which Ubuntu has been using in GNOME 3 with some changes  the past few releases
[21:57] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: going by things I have read the old Unity 7 interface that they dropped by default, works better with multiple moniters and stuff like that
[21:57] <sebsebseb> thats still in the repos
[21:58] <sebsebseb> !unity
[21:59] <CarloWood> Like I said, I'm currently using 'plasma'.  Logging in with that gives me a full fledged desktop with auto-hiding vertical task bar, a bar with running tasks - that I can put at the top of my left-most monitor - windows that are block other windows from being maximized (I forgot the name) etc etc.
[21:59] <CarloWood> If I login with any of the other options, like "Gnome with Xorg" - I get an empty desktop with nothing.
[21:59] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: yep KDE/Plasma is rather full featured
[21:59] <YeOldHinnerk> by the way, don't know if you know the guy, but Dunkelbunt made a mess of my plan anway.
[22:00] <CarloWood> If I right click, I can choose a new background I think.. there isn't even a way to open a terminal.
[22:00] <alexeightsix> well i installed the new lts release, then the installer crashed and caused my computer to no longer boot :/
[22:00] <YeOldHinnerk> his name is [Dunkelbunt]
[22:00] <alexeightsix> i managed to fix i t.. but damn
[22:00] <CarloWood> It must be the worst possible experience for new linux users.
[22:00] <YeOldHinnerk> which sorts before _Whatever.
[22:00] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: if you have logged into open box, it's a black screen,  and a right click menu and that's it
[22:00] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: open box is one of the very oldest  ones
[22:01] <CarloWood> sebsebseb: that one crashes my box.  I was talking about the default of ubuntu now.
[22:01] <CarloWood> Isn't that "Gnome with Xorg"?
[22:01] <sebsebseb> Gozetto: GNOME shoul work, unless your hardware isn't up for it
[22:02] <CarloWood> You'd think that if new linux users who install ubuntu for the first time should get a better experience then starting with an empty desktop and no (clear) means to add anything to it?
[22:02] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: no most people don't get a empty desktop
[22:03] <CarloWood> Hmm
[22:03] <sebsebseb> they get GNOME with Ubuntu's changes
[22:03] <CarloWood> What does that mean though? Is there a youtube that shows me what I SHOULD get?
[22:03] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: I think a GNOME fall back mode is in there stil just about, or if not can be installed, could try that to see if get something
[22:03] <sebsebseb> !fallback
[22:03] <sebsebseb> !gnomefallback
[22:04] <CarloWood> Is it possible I don't have gnome installed?
[22:04] <Bashing-om> CarloWood: And depends on "what" you installed - there are those releases that have no GUI installed by default.
[22:04] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: if KDE works all these other interfaces should as well
[22:04] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: yeah you can find Ubuntu or GNOME videos on youtubue :)
[22:05]  * CarloWood feels helpless
[22:06] <CarloWood> or clueless
[22:06] <CarloWood> I get an empty desktop :/
[22:06] <sebsebseb> also if you know KDE is  called plasma now uhmm
[22:06] <CarloWood> And I have no idea what to do about it except for a fresh install of ubuntu.
[22:06] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: just use KDE Neon anwyay for KDE better than Kubuntu these days or so they say :D
[22:07] <Bashing-om> CarloWood: We are here to help - get you up on the learning curve, :D .. What/where did you get the installer ?
[22:07] <CarloWood> Bashing-om: I'm not that new linux user myself.. I've been using linux since kernel 0.99
[22:07] <CarloWood> but I'd appreciate the help!
[22:07] <heso> What do you actually mean by "empty desktop"? Is there no menu on the left side with a few icons?
[22:07] <oerheks> kubuntu+backports is better and more stable
[22:07] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: well not that muh of a learning curve if he knew how to install open box and flux box and things like that surely :D
[22:08] <sebsebseb> uh for Bashing-om
[22:08] <sebsebseb> heso: sounded like open box
[22:08] <CarloWood> Bashing-om: I can't remember what I installed - I have used both gnome and kde for years - and only switched a few times because I fed up with bugs (hoping the other would be better).
[22:09] <CarloWood> Maybe I installed kubuntu, or I installed ubuntu and then installed KDE.
[22:09] <dwaltz> what distro Carlowwod? Slackware back in 1994 or so?
[22:09] <oerheks> adding a desktop is no problem, removing one is interesting
[22:10] <CarloWood> dwaltz: my first distro? lol... hmm, yeah, I used slackware at some point. I also used redhat, fedora and debian.
[22:10] <dwaltz> well at 0.99 there was no redhat, fedora nor debian
[22:10] <sebsebseb> oerheks: indeed
[22:10] <Sazpaimon> Is anyone aware of any issues with ntfsresize on the ntfs-3g that ships with ubuntu 18.04? It seems to have corrupted the NTFS partition I just resized
[22:11] <CarloWood> I normally believe in "investigating".  What can I test / look at - to see why my desktop might be empty?
[22:11] <Bashing-om> CarloWood: Food for thought - as an experienced user - install core and build what you want - no bloat and very fast system. You want to fix the current install ? Be aware installing mutilpe desktops can and does lead to application conflicts.
[22:12] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: oh yeah it definetly does that in Ubuntu at times,  multiple desktops messing something or the other up !
[22:12] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: or making it come up with a system problem detected meessage
[22:13] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: Ubuntu's bugs !
[22:13] <CarloWood> I bought a new PC, should arrive any day now :(( (they delay it ONE more day, every day :(()... I will do a complete fresh install then, so it is pretty relevant for me to decide what I should install
[22:13] <dwaltz> I usually don't use KDE, but I'm sure Gnome can coexist with LXQT XFCE, mate and i3, all working as alterantive DEs
[22:13] <oerheks> biosupdate first
[22:13] <sebsebseb> dwaltz: yep it should be able to, but sometimes Ubuntu messes things up see above
[22:13] <CarloWood> What is the difference between KDE and Gnome?
[22:14] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: you serious ?
[22:14] <Bashing-om> sebsebseb: Yup - tough sometimes for the system to know what you want with multiple choices :P
[22:14] <sebsebseb> !kde
[22:14] <oerheks> try it and use the one you like best
[22:14] <sebsebseb> !GNOME
[22:14] <oerheks> silly question you can bing..
[22:15] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: KDE looks more like Windows, but acstually can do a lot once you get into it's settings
[22:15] <dwaltz> KDE is somewhat more feature rich and requires a bit more ram
[22:15] <CarloWood> That tells me actually what I already knew though: both are desktops. But do they look different?
[22:15] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: GNOME 3 is this uhmm black thing the interface that Ubuntu now uses too, after doing their own interface on top of GNOME for years
[22:15] <oerheks> spoiler: kde has no tweak tool, it is included
[22:15] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: and the old GNOME 2 way before that, GNOME 2 is deprecated   but for those that like it there's Mate
[22:15] <sebsebseb> !mate
[22:15] <CarloWood> note that I'm a command line guy - I never use those menus
[22:15] <dwaltz> on the other side I find many KDE apps to be better than Gnome counterpart
[22:15] <kenperkins> ok, trying to figure out how have both dhcp *and* a static address on the same interface with netplan
[22:15] <oerheks> CarloWood, yeah, right
[22:16] <Bashing-om> !minimal | CarloWood
[22:16] <dwaltz> than try i3
[22:16] <CarloWood> It really doesn't matter to me what they install in their K-menu and/or system settings etc.. I edit files manually :/
[22:16] <sebsebseb> dwaltz: yep same I do a bit ofa a mix of things usually, KDE and GNOME, and such
[22:16] <dwaltz> i3 only tiled windows
[22:16] <oerheks> thsi is more subject for #ubuntu-discuss
[22:16] <sebsebseb> dwaltz: programs
[22:16] <oerheks> any real support Q?
[22:17] <dwaltz> oerheks: right sorry
[22:18] <CarloWood> What DOES matter to me is how it looks (the window decorations etc)... Since I'm used to KDE now I guess I should stick with KDE, but if that means I have to use plasma then I have the mouse pointer invisibility bug that I want to get rid of :/
[22:18] <CarloWood> So, does KDE == plasma?
[22:18] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: yes KDE is called Plasma now
[22:18] <CarloWood> hmm
[22:18] <sebsebseb> and I put that as you ask :d
[22:19] <sebsebseb> :d
[22:19] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: OR i guess Plasma reffers more to the GUI itself  than the programs
[22:19] <sebsebseb> but either way
[22:19] <sebsebseb> !plasma
[22:20] <CarloWood> Can I switch window manager under plasma?
[22:20] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: from the log in screen yes
[22:20] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: and again even with log in screen's got quite a few options
[22:20] <CarloWood> Usually you can restart or switch a window manager without relogging.
[22:21] <heso> Anyone have experience with dconf? I've never used dconf before, and I'm simply trying to change wallpaper using ansible, but I find myself stuck.
[22:22] <dax> CarloWood, sebsebseb: to be specific, Plasma is a workspace environment created by the KDE community