[03:25] <pilgrim> ubuntu, try mount -t ntfs /dev/hda<n> /mnt
[03:25] <dodobrain> i.e same tld as that site
[03:25] <ubuntu> ty
[03:25] <pilgrim> ubuntu, yw
[03:25] <dodobrain> lemme try some more: no guarantees thins time though :)
[03:25] <docta_v> ubuntu: although i'm not sure about ubuntu...other distros don't include the ntfs driver by default due to licensing issues
[03:25] <cerdil> hai asu
[03:25] <docta_v> there's probably a seperate package you need to install first
[03:25] <ubuntu> ic
[03:25] <DavidLeeRoth> can anyone help me with a radeon x700... it is not being properly recognized
[03:26] <ubuntu> it worked like 2 months ago for me lol
[03:26] <tortoise> draken: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.12/linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.12-9.23_all.deb
[03:26] <docta_v> ubuntu: if you have the driver...you should be able to mount -t ntfs just like any other partition
[03:26] <pilgrim> ubuntu, did you the above command?
[03:26] <jouni__m> spikeh otherwise apt-get build-dep xchat but there is not build-dep for xchat hmm.
[03:27] <spikeh> jouni__m: I'd like to build and compile it myself
[03:27] <Draken> ta tortoise
[03:27] <ubuntu> well yeh
[03:27] <dodobrain> Draken, where are you? tld
[03:27] <dodobrain> eu or americas?
[03:27] <ubuntu> it doesnt do anythin damit
[03:27] <veleno> how can i add marillat repositories so that i can use those packages in ubuntu ?
[03:27] <ubuntu> im on the live version
[03:27] <DavidLeeRoth> does anyone have familiarity with the radeon x700 card?
[03:28] <dodobrain> oh tortoise gave you a link.
[03:28] <pilgrim> ubuntu, did you rplace <n> with number
[03:28] <dodobrain> :)
[03:28] <pilgrim> ubuntu, if it "doesn't do anything" it probably worked
[03:28] <ubuntu> yeah lol
[03:28] <ubuntu> damit how do i root
[03:28] <SuperLag> veleno: you have the addresses for those repos already, right? if so, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add them to that file.
[03:28] <ubuntu> forgot
[03:28] <pilgrim> sudo <command>
[03:28] <thegladiator> sudo su
[03:28] <thegladiator> sudo -s
[03:28] <ubuntu> thnx
[03:28] <thegladiator> or as pilgrim says
[03:28] <veleno> SuperLag, i don't have yet, do you ?
[03:29] <SuperLag> veleno: I'm sorry, sir.  I do not.
[03:29] <lamed> hello guys!
[03:29] <lamed> a little help. I'm trying to install a l2tp cable connection. What package should I look into?
[03:29] <ubuntu> damit i cant see the mnt file on the filesystem
[03:30] <lamed> ipsec? l2tp? (-very old)    I'm very new to linux
[03:30] <pilgrim> ubuntu, what command did you use? did you get any error?
[03:30] <ubuntu> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda3 /mnt
[03:30] <ubuntu> nope no error
[03:30] <SuperLag> What's the difference between the CD images that are available for download, and he DVD images? more toys to play with?
[03:30] <Kindred> !ntfs
[03:30] <ubotu> rumour has it, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions, or writing to ntfs is risky and only experimental. Reading is OK
[03:30] <ubuntu> a sec of lag thats all
[03:30] <veleno> 1 more question: anyone here using a dell laptop latitude d510  ? if so, i'm facing a strange behaviour of the sound card i'd like to share
[03:30] <pilgrim> ubuntu, if you do "cd /mnt"
[03:30] <ubuntu> oki ty
[03:31] <pilgrim> ubotu, are you in that filesystem?
[03:31] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, pilgrim
[03:31] <ubuntu> gee thnx
[03:31] <ubuntu> pilgrim, ive got another problem
[03:31] <pilgrim> ubuntu, ok...
[03:31] <ubuntu> my whole comp powers off
[03:31] <pilgrim> lol
[03:31] <SuperLag> o.O
[03:31] <ubuntu> its like a toshiba mobile
[03:31] <pilgrim> ok...do you see the "IO" button
[03:31] <SuperLag> out of the blue?
[03:31] <pilgrim> press it <joking>
[03:31] <ubuntu> lol
[03:31] <lamed> I see it's the rush time over here. _please_, what's the package I have to look into for l2tp vpn Cable connection?
[03:31] <ubuntu> no, i mean it
[03:31] <ubuntu> it powers down by itself
[03:32] <dodobrain> huh? powers down when there is a blackout?
[03:32] <dodobrain> :p
[03:32] <ubuntu> nope dude
[03:32] <ubuntu> im serious
[03:32] <ubuntu> im not really a noob dude
[03:32] <SuperLag> ubuntu: ummmm... then you've got bigger problems you need to solve first. :)
[03:32] <ubuntu> i like didnt turn it off 2 weeks
[03:32] <tieum_> does anybody have a good link for a wifi howto, create an access point or an ad-hoc connection
[03:32] <ubuntu> indeed i know
[03:32] <tieum_> my does not work at all
[03:32] <bladedge> thats the prob
[03:32] <bladedge> im runnin ubuntu on the live cd
[03:32] <dodobrain> ok, so you had it running for 2 weeks.
[03:33] <bladedge> cuz if i try to install it it just powers down my comp
[03:33] <bladedge> its weird
[03:33] <pilgrim> bladedge, probably some heating problem and kernel turn off to save it's ass.
[03:33] <dodobrain> and now it powers down by itself after a (seemingly) random amount of time after power on ?
[03:33] <bladedge> i think the hdd or the bios got fucked up
[03:33] <bladedge> well maybe
[03:33] <bladedge> but hey i didnt get a power down now
[03:33] <jouni__m> spikeh try to install libglib2.0-0
[03:33] <lamed> GUYS, L2TP CONNECTION. ANYONE KNOWS HOW? I ONLY FOUND INFORMATION ABOUT PPPOE CONNECTION
[03:33] <SuperLag> bladedge: and you want help with installing it on possibly faulty hardware? that's a recipe for frustration and wasting time
[03:33] <docta_v> hate to break it to you but if you didn't know about su then you're a noob
[03:33] <spikeh> jouni__m: that is already installed, I think with build-essential
[03:33] <dodobrain> indeed superchode|fu
[03:33] <bladedge> nope
[03:34] <SuperLag> wow.
[03:34] <dodobrain> err. SuperLag
[03:34] <pilgrim> lamed, sorrry, no clue (ohh, we do see you though)
[03:34] <bladedge> i just need to know if my dam comp could be saved
[03:34] <SuperLag> bladedge: run it through the dishwasher :)
[03:34] <dodobrain> bladedge, we're not h/w experts here! :)
[03:34] <bladedge> damit
[03:34] <bladedge> well duh neighter am i
[03:34] <dodobrain> anyway, you might want to just boot into bios and monitor the cpu temp.
[03:34] <bladedge> thats y im askin ya lol
[03:34] <lamed> :'(:'(somebody surely have done it:'(
[03:35] <bladedge> i cant my bios sux
[03:35] <dodobrain> maybe its overheating and the bios is shutting off the machine
[03:35] <bladedge> no monitorin toold
[03:35] <bladedge> tools*
[03:35] <bladedge> yeh i kno i tryed to monitor that myself
[03:35] <pilgrim> bladedge, power it up.. who knows. check if power cable got unplugged and battery is 0% full.
[03:35] <bladedge> nope
[03:35] <Bobl> is there a way to do something like remote desktop with ubuntu
[03:35] <bladedge> battery's fine
[03:35] <seniorsepia> lamed, i have the same question, try install FreeSwan\OpenSwan
[03:35] <bladedge> its well pluged
[03:35] <dodobrain> bladedge, battery is irrelevant
[03:36] <pilgrim> bladedge, first time it happened?
[03:36] <mwe> Bobl: yeah
[03:36] <bladedge> pilgrim,  yesturday
[03:36] <pilgrim> bladedge, this is _second_ time? wow. did you check logs last time?
[03:36] <bladedge> we had a power shutdown in the whole town
[03:36] <bladedge> nope
[03:36] <bladedge> it just shuts down
[03:36] <SuperLag> Bobl: If I remember right, it's called vino.
[03:36] <bladedge> but this time it didnt
[03:36] <Bobl> ah right, is it possible with a windows client
[03:36] <pilgrim> bladedge, is it like instant with no warning whatsoever?
[03:36] <bladedge> i think it might be the hdd
[03:37] <bladedge> exactly
[03:37] <bladedge> no warning nothing
[03:37] <atmat> Hi, I installed Kubuntu linux, now I want to add Greek keyaboard support in order to write in Greek, how do I do that?
[03:37] <docta_v> Bobl: you want to connect to your ubuntu system remotely or a connect to a windows system with ubuntu?
[03:37] <bladedge> absolutley nuthin
[03:37] <Bobl> connect to ubuntu remotely
[03:37] <pilgrim> bladedge, that's scary...as a precaution I'm logging off from this channel just in case it's contaiguious.
[03:37] <docta_v> Bobl: you want vnc then...i personally use tightvnc
[03:37] <lamed> seniorsepia: are you registered?
[03:37] <dodobrain> bladedge, err.. if the hdd goes broke it won;t shut itself down! unless you have a weird system
[03:37] <bladedge> lol
[03:38] <bladedge> well i dunno
[03:38] <bladedge> but right now im on live ubuntu
[03:38] <SuperLag> bladedge: come back when your hardware issues are solved.
[03:38] <deFrysk> atmat, most people here use gnome , try #kubuntu if you cannot get an answer here
[03:38] <bladedge> n it didnt power itself down
[03:38] <Bobl> docta_v, looks good
[03:38] <dodobrain> if you suspect the hdd of being faulty: listen and check whether there are clicking noises from the hdd
[03:38] <basix> hi every one
[03:38] <pilgrim> bladedge, ok...so you're talking to us about your laptop that has windows on it? And ubunut is fine?
[03:38] <PeteyCrack> hm
[03:38] <bladedge> oki ty
[03:38] <PeteyCrack> 1152x864 is nice.
[03:39] <bladedge> like it had windows on it
[03:39] <PeteyCrack> i think ill keep it.
[03:39] <bladedge> i formated the partition
[03:39] <bladedge> n i cant install linux eighetr
[03:39] <pilgrim> bladedge, see now that must be the problem.
[03:39] <docta_v> Bobl: only thing to keep in mind though...is if you're connecting from the internet to inside a NAT'd LAN then you must tunnel the connection through ssh. simply forwarding the port on the router won't work
[03:39] <seniorsepia> lamed: i'm not registered i think
[03:39] <bladedge> what ?
[03:39] <Bobl> docta_v, thats ok, i have a direct connection
[03:39] <nasso> is anyone here good at using sodipodi?
[03:40] <lamed> seniorsepia: that's why you can't get my pm's. they are restricted for registered users around freenode.
[03:40] <docta_v> Bobl: cool...might be worth doing ssh tunneling anyway for added security
[03:40] <pilgrim> bladedge, <joking> windows is always the problem...(more seriously check the bios, I had this thing happening with a sytem of mine and it costs me $40 to find out it was the bios setting I changed)
[03:40] <bladedge> nothin will install
[03:40] <Bobl> docta_v, thanks for the info :)
[03:40] <bladedge> i tried
[03:41] <lamed> seniorsepia: " Openswan is an implementation of IPsec for Linux"  Isn't there an ipsec package already installed? (i'm on winXP now, untill I'll manage the internet connection)
[03:41] <pilgrim> bladedge, restored to default?
[03:41] <Mabus06> You can just get wine from synaptic? Last time I installed it, it was harder, when did it change?
[03:41] <zalaam> if i want to change all my icons,do i move my new icons into /usr/share/pixmaps/ and thats it?
[03:41] <bladedge> ill try
[03:41] <bladedge> but its runnin like that since the beggining
[03:41] <nasso> zalaam, check art.gnome.org for icon-themes
[03:42] <pilgrim> bladedge, well, then it should hurt to restore default settings.
[03:42] <nasso> zalaam, can be changed in system ->prefs -> themes
[03:42] <bladedge> ill tyr n do it
[03:42] <bladedge> maybe it'll help
[03:42] <bladedge> who knows
[03:42] <bladedge> brb
[03:42] <zalaam> nasso: oki thanx
[03:43] <dodobrain> PeteyCrack, dude!
[03:43] <dodobrain> nice to see you have slightly improved your res :)
[03:43] <PeteyCrack> dodobrain: this is as small as i can handle :-p
[03:44] <x-spirit> people, how can i read and write from/on ntfs hdds ?
[03:44] <bladedge> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda<n> /mnt lol
[03:44] <pilgrim> LOL
[03:44] <bladedge> like thank pilgrim
[03:45] <dodobrain> lol indeed
[03:45] <pilgrim> x-spirit, last time I checked writing was experimental
[03:45] <BrianB04> Hey, gotta dumb question: Can you turn Ubuntu into a better Kubuntu? IE Adding KDE etc?
[03:45] <bladedge> lol
[03:45] <dodobrain> PeteyCrack, tried 1280x1024? sometimes i find people who are ok with going from 1152 to 1280
[03:45] <deFrysk> BrianB04, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:45] <PeteyCrack> dodobrain: i just tried it on my other pc, since it's already functional way too small
[03:45] <kestas> BrianB04, apt-get install -- yeah
[03:45] <x-spirit> i run ubuntu for a first time, so no ideq..
[03:45] <pilgrim> BrianB04, no ...KDE is eval. I mean evil.
[03:46] <dodobrain> PeteyCrack, but did you try it on this lcd?
[03:46] <PeteyCrack> dodobrain: nah
[03:46] <dodobrain> hehe.. KDe is eval ;)
[03:46] <PeteyCrack> dodobrain: i like this
[03:46] <dodobrain> see!
[03:46] <kestas> pilgrim, what would happen if Qt suddenly decided to relicense its stuff anyway?
[03:46] <BrianB04> KDE is eval? KDE == ?
[03:46] <dodobrain> you should have tried it on _this_ lcd. you might have liked it
[03:46] <PeteyCrack> dodobrain:
[03:46] <Happuf> x-spirit: you should not write to ntfs. It can break. Use ubuntu disk manager to mount it.
[03:46] <dodobrain> BrianB04, :p
[03:46] <PeteyCrack> dodobrain: what is the cmd to start X from term?
[03:46] <dodobrain> PeteyCrack, X
[03:46] <PeteyCrack> lmfa
[03:47] <dodobrain> huh?
[03:47] <PeteyCrack> ok ill try it give me a minute
[03:47] <deFrysk> BrianB04, #ubuntu is filled with gnome users , you might feel safer in #kubuntu
[03:47] <dodobrain> that wasn;t a joke!
[03:47] <PeteyCrack> dodobrain: 1280x ?
[03:47] <pilgrim> kestas, well the license sucks as it is, so KDE would either have do develop QT on their own or switch to GTK :D
[03:47] <dodobrain> 1280x1024
[03:47] <mahangu> BrianB04, you should be in #ubuntu-devel
[03:47] <PeteyCrack> dodobrain: ok
[03:47] <bladedge> PeteyCrack, startx
[03:47] <bladedge> lmao
[03:47] <dodobrain> PeteyCrack, you don;t need to quit your current X
[03:47] <kestas> pilgrim, yeah that'd be interesting
[03:47] <PeteyCrack> dodobrain: ?
[03:48] <kestas> if I was going to write some software with userland threads which API should I use?
[03:48] <kestas> is there a standard one?
[03:48] <pilgrim> kestas, indeed. GTK is better for development because of LGPL. So if a client doesn't want to open source their software you can safely use GTK but not QT.
[03:48] <BrianB04> That's true pilgrim. Because you have to GPL anything you write in QT, unless you want to pay out the butt, it's a hassle.
[03:48] <PeteyCrack> dodobrain: it wont show up until i restart X
[03:48] <dodobrain> PeteyCrack, just this: $ X  :1 & xterm --display :1 &
[03:49] <PeteyCrack> pete@LinuxBox:~$ $ X  :1 & xterm --display :1 &
[03:49] <PeteyCrack> bash: $: command not found
[03:49] <pilgrim> blades, pick one already.
[03:49] <Malachi> I've got a question.
[03:49] <pilgrim> I've got an answer.
[03:49] <spikeh> where does Synaptic install applications? is it possible to make it install in /home ?
[03:50] <pilgrim> (maybe)
[03:50] <Malachi> I recently upgraded Firefox 1.07 to 1.5
[03:50] <jouni__m> spikeh I managed to configure  xchat 2.4.5. Do you have 2.0-0 installed?
[03:50] <Malachi> But if I open a link through Evolution,
[03:50] <Malachi> Evolution calls 1.07.
[03:50] <PeteyCrack> dodobrain: ?
[03:50] <spikeh> jouni__m: no, I used Synaptic to install 2.4.4 to ask for help on compiling
[03:50] <Malachi> Can I change that?
[03:50] <Gecko> I have a broken package to report, what do I do?
[03:50] <pilgrim> Malachi, why do you still have 1.07 anyway?
[03:50] <Dreamglider> i need some help with grub, i get a error 22 when i boot
[03:50] <Malachi> I don't know....
[03:51] <Malachi> I guess I should get rid of it...
[03:51] <pilgrim> Malachi, you can change the default browser in gnome using ...thinking....
[03:51] <pilgrim> Malachi, system>preferences>prefered applications
[03:51] <Malachi> pligrim: thanks.
[03:51] <pilgrim> Malachi, you're welcome.
[03:51] <Malachi> pilgrim: Let me see...
[03:51] <bladedge> back
[03:52] <bladedge> on another comp lol
[03:52] <pilgrim> bladedge, always helpse to have 1+
[03:52] <bladedge> yeh
[03:52] <pilgrim> Malachi, how did you upgrade firefox anyway?
[03:52] <flogiston> gnome-system-monitor don't want to load.
[03:52] <bladedge> indeed it does
[03:52] <Malachi> pilgrim: What's the difference in removal and complete removal?
[03:52] <spikeh> jouni__m: I've installed some other glib packages and it's finished configuring; now make isn't working and is giving an error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6415
[03:52] <pilgrim> Malachi, bookmarks>gone. etc.
[03:52] <flogiston> I can see the process in terminal with ps aux
[03:52] <Malachi> pilgrim: I found some guide on the forums.
[03:52] <stark-johan> I've installed xmms to play mp3 and it works but I get alot of clipping in the music. What can i do to improove this?
[03:52] <pilgrim> Malachi, ok.
[03:53] <stark-johan> Not improove the clipping ... :-)
[03:53] <Dreamglider> i can boot both WindowsXP and Ubuntu if i use Smart Boot manager wich is on Ultimate boot cd, and enter what disk to boot with no problems, how can i fix grub ?
[03:53] <Malachi> pilgrim: I can't remove firefox 1.07 without removing yelp?
[03:53] <DRAGON_Ultra> fine tune it
[03:54] <spikeh> jouni__m: oh, and glib 2.0-0 is installed
[03:54] <Gecko> Please.  I'm having a problem with my display settings in breezy, I really have no idea what's causing it. the resolution is stuck to 640x480 and it won't let me change it
[03:55] <DRAGON_Ultra> go to bug report
[03:55] <irvin> happy new year all!
[03:55] <Malachi> pilgrim: When I mark FF 1.07 through Synaptic, it also marks firefox-gnome-support and yelp
[03:56] <pilgrim> Malachi, for _removal_?
[03:56] <claudius> I suspected the problem was with the kernel modules which contained the nvidia drivers so I installed the nvidia-glx drivers, but no luck
[03:56] <Malachi> pilgrim: I think so.
[03:56] <pat> i have problems with multi booting; i've installed xp aside ubuntu, before ubuntu worked fine - no problems. Now after installing xp: the xp bootloader does not provide to start the ubuntu any more
[03:56] <Malachi> pilgrim: It says to be removed.
[03:56] <DRAGON_Ultra> XP? who needs that old OS
[03:56] <flogiston> Not me.
[03:56] <pat> the partition is intact, but i cannot acces and not startup ubuntu any more: does any one can help me
[03:56] <pilgrim> Malachi, strange. I don't really know what to say, check the description of yelp is firefox menioned there?
[03:57] <Malachi> pilgrim "This package contains the GNOME online help browser application."
 It wouldn't unmark.
[04:00] <Malachi> pilgrim: I checked yelp
[04:00] <phendrick> does a default breezy install come with a firewall?
[04:00] <Malachi> 's dependencies
[04:00] <DRAGON_Ultra> yes
[04:00] <Malachi> pilgrm: It depends on firefox.
[04:00] <Malachi> I'll just leave it
[04:00] <phendrick> i'm still trying to ssh to my server. i can ping it, ssh FROM it, but cant ssh to it
[04:01] <pilgrim> hmm. I see
[04:01] <pilgrim> That makes sense.
[04:01] <pilgrim> Malachi, then just leave it.
[04:01] <pilgrim> Malachi, because I guess it doesn't know that you have upgraded firefox since the method was unconventional.
[04:02] <pilgrim> phendrick, what have you done so far?
[04:02] <pilgrim> phendrick, sshd running?
[04:02] <Malachi> pilgrim: Can't wait till it gets in the repositories...
[04:02] <phendrick> pilgrim, just a default install
[04:02] <pat> in my ubuntu, i tried to change the bootloader by trying to change the menu.lst file in the bootload directory: no access rights;; i did install ubuntu and while installing the system asked a name and pass and this was all ok. if i looked at rights, i had all of them, but no way, .. i could not change the menu.lst file
[04:02] <pilgrim> Malachi, me to. Although I tried epiphany and I like it better firefox is a hog
[04:02] <phendrick> sshd is running, yep
[04:02] <phendrick> installed open ssh
[04:02] <raphink> pat: did you use sudo to edit menu.lst?
[04:02] <pilgrim> pat, did you try what I said above?
[04:03] <pat> not yet
[04:03] <pilgrim> phendrick, what are you trying to login as?
[04:03] <phendrick> my default user on the server
[04:03] <phendrick> pilgrim, but i don't even get a password prompt
[04:03] <pat> my ubuntu disk is a startup disk, will i get the possibiity to start-up a terminal session as you said
[04:03] <pilgrim> phendrick, just hangs?
[04:03] <jouni__m> spikeh sorry I don't have any ideas
[04:04] <phendrick> pilgrim, yeah just stays there, as though it's trying to access it
[04:04] <pilgrim> pat, you can just go to applications>accessorises right?
[04:04] <pilgrim> phendrick, I've had that....now to remebere what caused it.
[04:04] <Mabus06> I have a dvd burner, but I can't find it in nautilus and the eject button doesn't work. Any ideas?
[04:04] <phendrick> pilgrim, if you can thatd be ace! :)
[04:05] <pat> pelgrim, i'll try it right now
[04:05] <pilgrim> phendrick, try do a port scan on it. even try to ssh from the system itself that way no network firewall get in the way
[04:05] <oblib> Has anyone here used gopdit? It's an mpeg2 editor not included in the ubuntu sources
[04:05] <pilgrim> paddel, good luck
[04:05] <pilgrim> pat, good luck
[04:06] <spikeh> can someone tell me where Synaptic installs applications?
[04:06] <phendrick> pilgrim, how do i do a portscan?
[04:06] <pilgrim> phendrick, install nmap
[04:06] <phendrick> pilgrim, do i run that on the server or the client?
[04:06] <coNP> spikeh: look in packages, where they put their files
[04:06] <pilgrim> phendrick, client
[04:06] <oblib> spikeh, depends on the program - Synaptic installs where it is told to
[04:06] <phendrick> pilgrim, ok thanks very much. i'll have a go
[04:07] <pilgrim> phendrick, you're welcome
[04:07] <spikeh> coNP: oblib: is it possible to force it to install in /home which is mounted on a separate partition?
[04:08] <coNP> spikeh: /home is for user files, why do you want to install something there?
[04:08] <oblib> spikeh, in Linux, the idea is that you only have user files
[04:08] <oblib> yeah, what conp said
[04:08] <oblib> spikeh, but in answer, not that I know of
[04:08] <kakei> hi,happy new year,does anyone knows if exist a baghira precompiled .deb?
[04:09] <oblib> spikeh, you would have to move it after the install. A program on Linux needs more than just the executable though
[04:09] <spikeh> oblib: coNP: I see, but I read somewhere that people mounted /home on a separate partition so when Linux is rebuilt all the applications/settings remain
[04:09] <oblib> settings, not apps
[04:10] <coNP> spikeh: okay, settings will be stored either in /etc or in /home/<user>
[04:10] <pilgrim> coNP, spikeh, usually both.
[04:10] <oblib> spikeh, getting apps is simple with Synaptic, and if the settings are carried over, it's like you lost nothing
[04:10] <spikeh> oblib: coNP: then is it possible to force the settings to be stored in /home
[04:10] <pat> pilgrim, i've just explored the disk; the only files with grub.. i can find are on \pool\main\g\grub and \pool\main\g\grub-installer . The disk contains an iso image. I've got it from a magazine, without additional comment.
[04:11] <oblib> spikeh, usually they are. They start with ., like .mplayer
[04:11] <coNP> spikeh: user settings are stored there
[04:11] <pat> pilgrim, the directories contain DEB-files
[04:11] <coNP> spikeh: what do you want to install?
[04:11] <oblib> spikeh, to see them, type ll -a at a prompt
[04:11] <spikeh> oblib: so if I were to rebuild Linux, and then install XChat with Synaptic; all my configurations will be intact?
[04:11] <pilgrim> pat, I guess those will do.  Have you the plain ubuntu CD?
[04:11] <pilgrim> pat, or the "install" CD?
[04:11] <melissas> I've installed Ubuntu on my Toshiba laptop and the system doesn't reboot
[04:12] <alan__> hi
[04:12] <oblib> spikeh, preserving your home dir? I believe so, but I have never tried it. coNP?
[04:12] <melissas> any help???
[04:12] <alan__> how can I update from hoary to breezy?
[04:12] <alan__> what do I have to do?
[04:12] <apokryphos> !upgrade
[04:12] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[04:12] <alan__> thanks
[04:12] <pilgrim> melissas, doesn't shut down either?
[04:12] <oblib> melissas, you mean you tell it to reboot and it does nothing?
[04:12] <PeteyCrack> wow abiword is much better then open office
[04:13] <spikeh> coNP: I have a .xchat2 folder under /home; are the configuration files stored in there?
[04:13] <pilgrim> PeteyCrack, is lighter, eh?
it does...but it doesn't reboot automatically...
[04:13] <PeteyCrack> pilgrim: any word processor that has a loading splash screen (Open office) sucks
[04:13] <pilgrim> meepy, oh. I see.
[04:13] <pilgrim> PeteyCrack, lol
[04:13] <pat> pilgrim, i do not now how i could run a DEB file. the only thing i can do is to run the cd as boot-cd
[04:13] <pat> what do you propose: boot and see?
[04:14] <pilgrim> pat, well the  grub-install was not a DEB file
[04:14] <pilgrim> pat, right?
[04:14] <pat> yes the grub-install was a DEB file
[04:14] <pilgrim> pat, it that's the case then do "\pool\main\g\grub-installer /dev/hda"
[04:14] <pilgrim> pat, OH!
[04:14] <factotum> is there any way to easily remove kubuntu-desktop packages from ubuntu? or do I need to go through synaptec and hunt them all down?
[04:15] <pilgrim> pat, so it was \pool\main\g\grub-installer.deb not plain grub-install?
[04:15] <oblib> I've got a package (gepdit) that is not designed for Ubuntu, and has unmet dependencies. Can I still get this installed?
[04:15] <pilgrim> oblib, you need deps first.
[04:15] <oblib> pilgrim, if I compile from tarball would it fail?
[04:16] <pilgrim> pat, well. that sucks...oh...try and see if you can mount your partition (ubuntu install)
[04:16] <pilgrim> oblib, it should fail.
[04:16] <pat> i'll try
[04:17] <pat> or is there a way to get a grub installer from the net?
[04:17] <pilgrim> pat, once you do that then do <mount point> /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda
[04:17] <spikeh> I'm trying to install Opera and I've downloaded a .deb file; what do I do with this?
[04:18] <pilgrim> pat, it needs other stuff to.. I have no idea what but I'm pretty sure it does need other stuff.
[04:18] <hhurtta> spikeh: man dpkg
[04:18] <Blissex> spikeh: 'dpkg --install'
[04:18] <pat> ok i'll try
[04:18] <pat> i'll talk you next boot
[04:18] <yuma> hello
[04:18] <pilgrim> ok
[04:18] <pilgrim> brb
[04:19] <yuma> someone has any trouble with a thinkpad z60m when closes the screen and opens again?
[04:19] <spikeh> Blissex: it's returning with an error "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[04:19] <spikeh> "
[04:19] <yuma> i'm using ubuntu 5.10 with universe and multiverse
[04:19] <kakei> who can pls tell me how to install baghira
[04:19] <hhurtta> spikeh: are ytou running synaptic perhaps?
[04:19] <hhurtta> you need to shut it down first
[04:19] <Blissex> spikeh: only one process can have the DPKG database active, so if you have Synaptic or Aptitude running...
[04:20] <yuma> the X video driver is i810 and the screen resolution is 1280x800
[04:20] <spikeh> ah oka, thanks :D
[04:20] <kestas> yuma, I used to get that on my inspiron 2200, with the i810 driver
[04:20] <factotum> is there any way to easily remove kubuntu-desktop packages from ubuntu? I thought I would give KDE a shot but didnt like it so much.
[04:20] <yuma> kestas, should i change to vesa?
[04:20] <kestas> yuma, only got it on 5.04 though, when I upgraded it disappeared
[04:20] <yuma> ow..
[04:20] <kestas> yuma, didn't help for me, worth a shot I guess
[04:20] <yuma> kestas, ok, thanks! I'll try
[04:21] <kestas> yuma, X can be quite slow on vesa though, probably not a permeanent solution
[04:21] <factotum> If i have to go a reinstall to fix it, thats okay. Just wondering if there is another way
[04:21] <spikeh> Blissex: hhurtta: I got this output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6416 ; is the installation completed?
[04:21] <kestas> yuma, if the worst comes to the worst you can stop it trying to turn the screen off when you close the lid by playing with ACPI
[04:22] <yuma> kestas, i had lots of trouble when installing (CD corrupt and that stuff) so i think i'll try to reinstall it from a better CD
[04:22] <hhurtta> spikeh: not yet
[04:22] <kestas> yuma, that won't help man
[04:22] <yatesy> yea thats really annoying
[04:22] <hhurtta> it returns to promt after it's donw
[04:22] <hhurtta> prompts even
[04:22] <kestas> yuma, Id just check ubuntuforums and google and see what turns up
[04:22] <Manifold> How many people are here?
[04:22] <hhurtta> typ-o-matic...
[04:22] <spikeh> hhurtta: yeah it has returned to prompt
[04:23] <hhurtta> spikeh: then its done
[04:23] <kestas> Manifold, pretty sad aint it? new years eve and here we all are :P
[04:23] <Manifold> Meh.
[04:23] <Manifold> It's only a New Year.
[04:23] <yuma> kestas, ok, i did a bit of search but i don't know how to say that about close the screen in English... :C
[04:23] <nickrud> factotum, you could try sudo apt-get remove libqt3-mt
[04:23] <Manifold> I don't celebrate something that is human made, it's not even accurate.
[04:23] <Manifold> ^^
[04:23] <spikeh> hhurtta: after starting Opera; it's giving me an error about plugins: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6417
[04:23] <kestas> Manifold, what do you celebrate?
[04:24] <Manifold> I take that back.
[04:24] <factotum> nickrud: what would that do?
[04:24] <kestas> heh
[04:24] <Manifold> :]
[04:24] <Blissex> spikeh: that looks good
[04:24] <Manifold> Back later.
[04:24] <hhurtta> spikeh: key line is #7
[04:24] <hhurtta> "
[04:24] <hhurtta> 17:24  * Manifold must avoid be too generalising.
[04:24] <hhurtta> 17:24 < Manifold> :]
[04:24] <hhurtta> 17:24 -!- fredforfaen<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit
[04:24] <hhurtta>           [Remote closed the connection]
[04:25] <hhurtta> 17:24 < Blissex> spikeh: that looks good
[04:25] <hhurtta> 17:24 < Manifold> Back later.
[04:25] <nickrud> factotum, that would remove the qt library, which will remove all the packages that depend on it, and so on up the tree. Try apt-get --simulate remove if you're cautious
[04:25] <hhurtta> 17:24 < hhurtta> spikeh: key line is #7
[04:25] <hhurtta>  [17:24]  [hhurtta(+i)]  [7:#ubuntu(+JPcfnt)]  [Act: 3,8]
[04:25] <hhurtta> [#ubuntu]  "
[04:25] <hhurtta> damn!
[04:25] <spikeh> hhurtta: should I install Motif using Synaptic?
[04:25] <hhurtta> sorry
[04:25] <hhurtta> yes
[04:25] <erUSUL> hhurtta, do not paste here plaease use pastebin
[04:25] <factotum> nickrud: thanks, I'll try simulate first
[04:25] <hhurtta> erUSUL: accidentally clicked right mouse :)
[04:25] <apostolis> hi, anyone here has a TOSHIBA A30 laptop? I need to configure the modem, I found a guide but the compile fails
[04:25] <apostolis> :-(
[04:26] <kestas> apostolis, we need more than 'the compile fails'
[04:26] <nickrud> factotum, that doesn't quite get it all, if my memory serves. The sound server (arts) and a couple others get left behind
[04:27] <factotum> nickrud: oh thats alright, if it at least trims down the packages its a good start
[04:27] <apostolis> ake[1] : Entering directory `/root/slmodem-2.9.10/modem'
[04:27] <apostolis> gcc -Wall -g -O -I. -DCONFIG_DEBUG_MODEM   -o modem_main.o -c modem_main.c
[04:27] <apostolis> modem_main.c:45:20: error: unistd.h: No such file or directory
[04:27] <apostolis> modem_main.c:46:20: error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
[04:27] <apostolis> here, it seems that something is missing
[04:27] <Seveas> do NOT paste
[04:27] <Seveas> !tell apostolis about compiling
[04:28] <spikeh> hhurtta: Motif isn't under Synaptic
[04:28] <pilgrim> !tell me about compiling
[04:28] <spikeh> !tell me about compiling
[04:28] <hhurtta> spikeh: it's probably named something like openmotif or something
[04:29] <hhurtta> I've booted to windows atm so I can't check
[04:29] <factotum> nickrud: the only snag I see right now is removing kdm, can I just reconfigure gdm somehow and then remove kdm?
[04:29] <factotum> othwise everything else was removed just fine
[04:30] <hhurtta> spikeh: try searching from name AND description
[04:30] <Seveas> factotum, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[04:30] <apokryphos> factotum: removing kdm will automatically set gdm as default. Alternatively, you can set kdm to just be default with dpkg-reconfigure
[04:30] <spikeh> hhurtta: I managed to break Synaptic's theme?
[04:30] <factotum> ah alright  :D   great, thank you!!
[04:30] <hhurtta> spikeh: ?
[04:30] <factotum> I need to keep a notepad around or something hehe
[04:30] <spikeh> hhurtta: the theme has changed for some reason
[04:30] <Seveas> factotum, apt-get install tomboy :)
[04:30] <spikeh> hhurtta: it's not the KDE default now
[04:31] <hhurtta> spikeh: tried restarting?
[04:31] <spikeh> hhurtta: the program? yes; but not a reboot
[04:31] <nickrud> factotum, gdm should be automatically configured as the display manager by the kdm package when kdm uninstalls itself. You can also do sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm first, if you like.
[04:31] <apostolis> is there any guide for ubuntu in order to make my modem use a specific linux driver?
[04:32] <hhurtta> spikeh: never happened to me :/
[04:32] <nickrud> arg, walk away for a sec and not reading it all can be embarassing :)
[04:33] <melissas> I stuck into this problem: my toshiba satellite does not boot...
[04:33] <pilgrim> melissas, do you get any errors?
[04:34] <Seveas> melissas, where does it stop and with which error?
[04:34] <erUSUL> apostolis, check linmodems.org
[04:34] <melissas> not at all...my system hangs just before shutdown and boot again...
[04:35] <pilgrim> melissas, did you try to push the power button and reboot that way?
[04:35] <melissas> yes...it works that way...
[04:35] <melissas> but it doesn't reboot noramly...
[04:36] <melissas> noramly--->normally
[04:36] <pilgrim> melissas, so that means shutting down or rebooting is not working. Try this when you booted try "CTRL+ALT+F1"
[04:36] <pilgrim> melissas, this will take you to command line. then do "reboot" see where it stops and if any messages are given.
[04:37] <pilgrim> melissas, you may have to type in command prompt "sudo reboot"
ok I do and I''be back to let you know
[04:37] <pilgrim> ok
[04:37] <melissas> see you...
[04:37] <melissas> exit
[04:37] <pilgrim> lol
[04:37] <vladimir> Hi, everyone
[04:37] <pilgrim> hi
[04:38] <pilgrim> vladimir, so you from Russia eh?
[04:38] <vladimir> no bulgarian
[04:38] <vladimir> excuse me
[04:38] <vladimir> how can i Istall nvidia driver
[04:38] <dbernar1> !nvidia
[04:38] <ubotu> [nvidia]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:39] <factotum> alright, kde is gone, worked like a charm.  Not inside the /usr/src dir... as far as I remember ?
[04:43] <Seveas> kestas, there's most likely a gdesklet for that
[04:43] <apostolis> where *are* the..
[04:43] <kestas> good thinking batmat
[04:43] <kestas> batman
[04:44] <Seveas> apokryphos, apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:44] <Seveas> apostolis*
[04:44] <apostolis> Seveas: I did installed them from Adept
[04:44] <gnomefreak> whois would find name from ip?
[04:44] <apostolis> and I can see them inside teh /usr/src dir
[04:44] <Seveas> apostolis, good, then they're in /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:45] <erUSUL> kestas, a toy by guido van rossum; http://en.pastebin.ca/35384
[04:45] <pilgrim> gnomefreak, nope.
[04:45] <pilgrim> gnomefreak, try it, it gives some other info
[04:45] <gnomefreak> i just did
[04:45] <apostolis> Seveas: cool, now remains a way to pass the path to the program.
[04:46] <jeroen__> hi if i want skype ..witch prog do i need? does anyone knows?
[04:46] <kestas> erUSUL, thanks but then I'd have to install the Tkinter module and check the script for nasties
[04:46] <antonio__> problem with mpc, Thank for advanced
[04:47] <PeteyCrack> jeroen__:
[04:47] <PeteyCrack> sudo apt-get install skype
[04:47] <jeroen__> hey pet:)
[04:47] <andrew__> can i use a debian .deb on ubuntu (breezy)?
[04:47] <jeroen__> if i need a programm i just type that in my terminal...
[04:47] <visik7> andrew__: maybe
[04:48] <andrew__> i want to show my mom my program, but no one's written a deb for it (i use a different distro myself).
[04:48] <andrew__> visik7: how can i tell?
[04:48] <apokryphos> andrew__: generally not a good idea
[04:48] <jeroen__> ive looked on the internet but i can chose between 6 diferent skype's
[04:48] <apokryphos> !skype
[04:48] <ubotu> from memory, skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[04:48] <visik7> andrew__: try to install it
[04:49] <visik7> andrew__:
[04:49] <ablyss> hi all, i installed a nvidia graphics driver the other day.. but I am not sure if it installed correclty. Is there a way I can check to see if its installed and working correclty?
[04:49] <visik7> andrew__: if it doesn't complain about missing packages you can use it
[04:49] <andrew__> apokryphos: when i used ubuntu, i recall it being incredibly difficult to create a .deb; do you know of any documentation?
[04:49] <visik7> andrew__: btw what program is ?
[04:49] <andrew__> visik7, ah, ok.  cool.
[04:49] <andrew__> visik7, pygmy: http://pygmy.berlios.de
[04:49] <apokryphos> ablyss: if X accepts it, with nvidia being used as the driver, then it worked.
[04:49] <Seveas> andrew__, creating a deb is not the easiest thing, because there are lots of rules about quality
[04:49] <apokryphos> andrew__: debian packaging is an art :)
[04:50] <Seveas> apokryphos, so true :)
[04:50] <apokryphos> andrew__: but there are a few guides about. One sec.
[04:50] <ablyss> apokryphos, right.. but my previous installation of the driver would popup the nvidia logo during bootup.. i'm not getting the logo now though
[04:50] <andrew__> Seveas, apokryphos: not to flame, but that's one of the reasons i switched to arch.  too high a learning curve to contribute packages on debian/ubuntu!
[04:51] <apokryphos> andrew__: this is quite a good guide, but what's more valuable is the links it provides http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[04:51] <Seveas> andrew__, you just have to practice a lot and ask experienced packagers questions
[04:51] <apokryphos> ablyss: in xorg.conf is nvidia specified as the driver?
[04:51] <andrew__> Seveas, i may just give that a try.
[04:51] <jeroen__> ok i'm on the skype site but what must i do now to make it work?
[04:51] <apokryphos> jeroen__: follow the wiki guide
[04:51] <jeroen__> ok
 i am back
[04:51] <andrew__> honestly, after installing ubuntu for my family's computer, i'm reminded of how nice it is for many things and how much i'd like to use it (for its automation).  the backports really make it usable IMO.
[04:52] <pilgrim> melissas, hi
[04:52] <melissas> well
[04:52] <ablyss> apokryphos, yes thanks
[04:52] <jeroen__> it says thes a problem skype is not working well
[04:52] <melissas> no messages...last message I saw , was rebooting...but it doen't reboot
[04:53] <apokryphos> ablyss: then that should be working. You can check to see if Ubuntu knows it exists from an lspci|grep -i nvidia
[04:53] <melissas> everything seems normal except rebooting
[04:53] <apokryphos> (note that doesn't necessarily mean you had the driver installed)
[04:53] <ablyss> apokryphos, okay
[04:53] <andrew__> apokryphos, thanks for the link; i would never have thought to check the kubuntu wiki (or is it on the ubuntu one also?)
[04:53] <apokryphos> andrew__: same wiki
[04:53] <andrew__> apokryphos, ah, ok. ^_^
[04:53] <apostolis> which package containts the /usr/include's ?
[04:54] <apostolis> I can't find glibc pacakge :-( through adept
[04:54] <pilgrim> melissas, hard to say without erros ..impossible  to predict
[04:54] <jeroen__> what is the wiki guide.. there isnt a linck i can click on to download it...
[04:54] <apokryphos> apostolis: install build-essential
[04:54] <apokryphos> !tell jeroen__ about skype
[04:54] <Tatster> Does anyone know of Samba can deal with applying Windows Global Policy settings?  For example if I don't have a Windows DC.
[04:55] <gnomefreak> is there a command to find out more info on an ip address other than whois?
tell me again the boot processing CTRL+ what???
[04:55] <jeroen__> ive installed skype before but that whas with windows...
[04:55] <apokryphos> jeroen__: so follow the wiki link that ubotu just sent you. It's a Skype HowTo
[04:55] <pilgrim> CTRLALTF1
[04:55] <melissas> and then sudo what???
[04:56] <gnomefreak> i have a feeling this email is a virus for winows being on linux i cant open the attacments
[04:56] <apostolis> anyone managed to use the modem with ubuntu at a toshiba a30 laptop?
[04:56] <gnomefreak> and im not sure how to unecrypt an 8bit
[04:56] <erUSUL> Tatster, i'm not sure but maybe with pdbedit
[04:58] <alexwillmer> hi all. In the output of top, what is does the 'wa' cpu field represent?
[04:59] <andrew__> apokryphos, do i use dpkg to install a deb file that i've downloaded?  (it's been a while.)
[04:59] <pilgrim> melissas, sorry, then "sudo reboot"
[04:59] <apokryphos> andrew__: dpkg -i, yes.
[04:59] <andrew__> apokryphos, cheers.
[04:59] <pilgrim> melissas, if you already tried that with no results, try "sudo shutdown"
ok i will give it a try
[05:00] <pilgrim> meepy, 'right
[05:00] <Nei> hi, ubuntu throws kernel messages directly in my current window
[05:01] <Nei> how can I stop that?
[05:01] <Nei> e.g.:
[05:01] <Nei> [4307165.023000]  atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
[05:01] <Nei> a tad annoying; as it destroys screen layout of textmode gui programs
[05:01] <erUSUL> pilgrim, melissas 'sudo shutdown -r now'
[05:01] <pilgrim> erUSUL, urr...sorry, you're right.
[05:02] <Nei> or sudo poweroff ;)
[05:02] <Nei> eeh
[05:02] <Nei> sudo reboot in this case I guess
[05:02] <pilgrim> lol
[05:02] <pilgrim> except it doesn't work for her.
[05:02] <moo__> Hello, I'm running Ubuntu on this computer, and as you can see, I'm on here, yet I can't reach anything over httpd, this is just a default install and I've tried more than one NIC, any one have any idea as to what could be wrong?
[05:02] <alexwillmer> nei, you might have syslog convfigured to send that to the current console, look at /etc/syslog.conf
[05:02] <moo__> *http
[05:03] <pilgrim> moo__, so you have ftp and stuff?
[05:03] <moo__> pilgrim, well lemme test telnet again.
[05:03] <pilgrim> moo__, you logged in with same machine?
[05:03] <moo__> pilgrim, yup, I'm running on XChat on the same machine
[05:04] <jeroen__> well it cant open '/var/lib/apt/lists/lock' what does thAT MEAN?
[05:04] <pilgrim> moo__, so you do have net. and hmm....hmm...never seen this.
[05:04] <Nei> alexwillmer, mhm thanks for the hint but I don't see anything obvious in there
[05:04] <pilgrim> moo__, what about pinging stuff "ping google.com"
[05:04] <alexwillmer> Nei, one sec
[05:05] <moo__> pilgrim, I can use telnet, I can use IRC, DNS is working (cause I got onto EFNet without an ip)
[05:05] <pilgrim> moo__, try https
[05:05] <Nei> alexwillmer, I'm using a default install, can't remember having changed anything in the aspect of error messages output
[05:05] <moo__> pilgrim, pings come back.
[05:05] <erUSUL> jeroen__, you have another program accesing the apt db (synaptic?)
[05:05] <jeroen__> i dont know
[05:05] <pilgrim> moo__, the the port might be blocked (port 80 that is)
[05:06] <jeroen__> how can i close it?
[05:06] <moo__> pilgrim, it can't be blocked on my network, because I have another computer on the same router that has no problems.
[05:06] <cvt|nixmas> http://java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting  I follow the instructions on that site but run into problems from the beginning for java, can u help?
[05:06] <pilgrim> moo__, hmm....
[05:06] <Seveas> !tell cvt|nixmas about java
[05:06] <pilgrim> moo__, real interesting.
[05:06] <moo__> pilgrim, and frustrating :P
[05:06] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, i run into problems with those instructions too
[05:07] <pilgrim> moo__, switch browsers. or whatever you're using
[05:07] <moo__> pilgrim, does Ubuntu come with more than one browser?
[05:07] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, just download a .deb file with java and use that
[05:07] <moo__> I don't have a way to get another browser on here if it doesn't.
[05:07] <alexwillmer> nei, can you paste the contents of that file here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:07] <lysis> hi
[05:08] <Seveas> moo__, firefox, epiphany, konqueror, dillo, w3m, lynx, links, emacs
[05:08] <hericus> Has anyone used squid before? I'm having some slight problems with even installing it.
[05:08] <lysis> anybody here using E17?
[05:08] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, where do i get the .deb file?
[05:08] <Seveas> hericus, what's the problem
[05:08] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl for instance
[05:08] <moo__> Seveas, er, I may be using an old version, I just tried to bring up Lynx and got nothing.
[05:08] <hericus> I keep getting errors when I ./configure
[05:08] <Seveas> moo__, apt-get install lynx
[05:08] <hericus> One sec, I'll show ya..
[05:08] <Seveas> hericus, apt-get install squid
[05:09] <Seveas> do NOT compile from source
[05:09] <hericus> Couldn't find package squid
[05:09] <lysis> oops . . . anybody here using E17?
[05:09] <jeroen__> erusul it sais acces denied///
[05:09] <Seveas> hericus, enable universe
[05:09] <Seveas> !tell hericus about repos
[05:09] <Seveas> !+INFO squid
[05:09] <ubotu> squid: has nothing about INFO
[05:09] <Seveas> !+info squid
[05:10] <ubotu> squid: (Internet Object Cache (WWW proxy cache)), section web, is optional. Version: 2.5.10-6 (breezy), Packaged size: 731 kB, Installed size: 2060 kB
[05:10] <Nei> alexwillmer, sure thing: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6418
[05:10] <erUSUL> jeroen__, when? doing what?
[05:10] <hericus> Hm.
[05:10] <Seveas> it's even in main...
[05:10] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, which version should i get; re or sdk?
[05:10] <moo__> "Package lynx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:10] <moo__> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:10] <moo__> is only available from another source
[05:10] <moo__> "
[05:10] <pilgrim> moo__, let me know what (if anything) solves your problem.
[05:10] <Seveas> hericus, sources.list on the pastebin please
[05:10] <moo__> Er, sorry.
[05:10] <alexwillmer> nei, one sec
[05:10] <Seveas> moo__, NEVER paste
[05:10] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, do you want to compile java things or just run them?
[05:11] <jeroen__> with typing apt-get install skype
[05:11] <hericus> Alright, thanks Seveas.
[05:11] <cvt|nixmas> just run them
[05:11] <cvt|nixmas> for java sites
[05:11] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, j2re
[05:11] <pilgrim> moo__, try links
[05:11] <jeroen__> (13) acces denied
[05:11] <Seveas> jeroen__, from where?
[05:11] <pilgrim> moo__, that is "sudo apt-get install links"
[05:11] <erUSUL> jeroen__, sudo apt-get install skype
[05:12] <alexwillmer> nei, ok sorry for the blind alley, that looks fine, I don't know what else it could be
[05:12] <jeroen__> i tipe that in that terminal
[05:12] <moo__> pilgrim, says it can't find it.
[05:12] <Nei> alexwillmer, :( thanks for trying to help
[05:12] <moo__> I'
[05:12] <moo__> I'm not sure if apt-get is connected to anything.
[05:12] <pilgrim> moo__, I'm installing right now
[05:12] <moo__> Does it use http to access the packages?
[05:12] <pilgrim> moo__, it shouldn't
[05:12] <Seveas> moo__, depends on your sources.list
[05:12] <Seveas> either http or ftp
[05:12] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas,  i have dapper. does that matter?
[05:13] <jeroen__> ok now it askes password but i cant type it
[05:13] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, possibly, but shouldn't matter
[05:13] <pilgrim> moo__, yeah it does. by default (ithink) use http
[05:14] <pilgrim> moo__, try this ftp://ftp.redhat.com/
[05:14] <moo__> Seveas, where is that file located?
[05:14] <pilgrim> moo__, in firefox or whatever browser you got
[05:15] <erUSUL> jeroen__, why you can not type it?
[05:15] <Seveas> moo__, /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:15] <moo__> pilgrim, it works
[05:15] <moo__> I see a pub directory.
[05:15] <jeroen__> it wont show tha carakters
[05:15] <moo__> Seveas, thanks.
[05:15] <pilgrim> moo__, then I definitely think there is some thing firewalling http
[05:15] <jeroen__> now i'm back at username$.....
[05:15] <pilgrim> moo__, check router firewall rules.
[05:16] <hericus> Seveas, thanks again.
[05:16] <erUSUL> jeroen__, you do not see the characters but they are there. just type the pass and hit enter
[05:16] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, it's not obeying the commands.
[05:16] <jeroen__> ok done but nothing happening
[05:17] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, what's the problem?
[05:17] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, following the java instructions.
[05:17] <alexwillmer> In the output of top, what is does the 'wa' cpu field represent?
[05:17] <mase> !limewire
[05:17] <ubotu> somebody said limewire was first you need !java, then download the http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and unpack it. Then just run the runLime.sh file. Voila.
[05:17] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, did you download the .deb file?
[05:17] <cvt|nixmas> yes, 1.5
[05:17] <Seveas> where did you download it to?
[05:18] <cvt|nixmas> desktop
[05:18] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, then try this command: sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/sun*deb
[05:18] <cvt|nixmas> "locked by another process"
[05:19] <moo__> Seveas, all the lines that download the packages from the net were commented, and when I uncommented it errored trying to reach it, are there FTP URLs to replace them? (Since my FTP seems to be working and HTTP not so)
[05:19] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, close synaptic, apt-get, adept and all other package managers
[05:19] <Seveas> moo__, the standard repositories work fine via ftp, just replace http with ftp
[05:20] <moo__> Seveas, ah okay.
[05:20] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, it finished doing something.
[05:21] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, java -version
[05:21] <cvt|nixmas> "1.4.2"
[05:21] <Seveas> ah
[05:21] <Seveas> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:21] <Seveas> sudo update-alternatives --config javac
[05:21] <Seveas> sudo update-alternatives --config jar
[05:21] <Seveas> and always choose the sun java
[05:22] <Hericus> "W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports Release: Unknown error executing gpgv"
[05:23] <Seveas> Hericus, try archive.ubuntu.com instead of us.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:23] <dbernar1> !gpgerr
[05:23] <ubotu> hmm... gpgerr is a GPG-related error that sometimes occur when accessing the Ubuntu archives; it can usually be solved by typing "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release*" (without the quotes!) in a terminal
[05:23] <Seveas> the us mirror is often broken
[05:23] <mase> how do i play shoutcast on amarok
[05:23] <Hericus> Oh.. alright, thanks.
[05:23] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, i enter all three of those commands?
[05:24] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, yes
[05:24] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, and always choose the sun java when it asks
[05:24] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, i only saw "sun java" after the first command.
[05:24] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, leave the rest default?
[05:25] <dbernar1> cvt|nixmas: change them all to sun's Java is what he said, it seems.
[05:25] <cvt|nixmas> dbernar1, but i don't know how and i didn't see that option after the commands
[05:25] <pacome> HEYYY!!!
[05:26] <pacome> :(
[05:26] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, sudo update-alternatives --config java, don't enter anything but make a screenshot and upload it to the pastebin
[05:26] <pilgrim> HI!
[05:26] <apokryphos> hi pacome
[05:26] <mgw> how to use the windows-button combined with e.g. "e" to open the user home folder? i can not compine the windows button with another button.
[05:26] <benplaut> what's the lightest stable *box out there? i need a very minimal X (no, i don't want twm
[05:27] <pilgrim> benplaut, enlightment
[05:27] <pacome> yop!! apokryphos
[05:27] <Seveas> ben_d, fluxbox
[05:27] <pilgrim> benplaut, xfce
[05:27] <dbernar1> \heh.
[05:27] <benplaut> heh
[05:27] <Seveas> pilgrim, E and xfce are monsters compared to fluxbox :)
[05:27] <dbernar1> I like openbox
[05:27] <pilgrim> Seveas, true
[05:27] <Seveas> openbox is good too
[05:28] <benplaut> so... how do blackbox, openbox, and flux compare?
[05:28] <Hericus> fvwm is awesome.
[05:28] <Hericus> There basically the same thing, with modifications in style I think..
[05:28] <pilgrim> benplaut, I think they're all like the same
[05:28] <lysis> i tried flux and i didn't like it.  i want something graphical and downright amazing.  i'm using E17 right now, i just don't know what i'm doing. :)
[05:28] <pilgrim> benplaut, fluxbox has a good reputation
[05:28] <Hericus> Yes, it does.. fvwm is amazing however.
[05:29] <andrew__> argh... apokryphos, i see what you mean.  only some debian packages work on ubuntu! -_-
[05:29] <apostolis> where do I put the commands that  I want for ubuntu to run on startup?
[05:29] <apokryphos> andrew__: what package are you trying to install?
[05:29] <apostolis> I need to pass this string slmodemd --country=GREECE /dev/slamr0 <-- and then ctrl+c (exit)
[05:29] <andrew__> apokryphos, python-empy (which, as far as i could tell) doesn't have an ubuntu package.
[05:29] <dbernar1> benplaut: I can tell you that openbox is cool cause it has a "Ubuntu" skin - brown, check out ubuntuforums.org, and search for "openbox stormy", that will give you instructions. Also you can use the mouse scroll wheel to roll up windows, when you scroll up when the mouse cursor is over the title bar, which makes it convenient to have many windows open. It also supports workspaces. I never used black and flux boxes much, so I do not k
[05:30] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, http://pastebin.com/485415
[05:31] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, so in that screen you choose 5
[05:31] <cvt|nixmas> yes
[05:31] <Seveas> that one has sun in the name
[05:31] <Seveas> same for jar
[05:31] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, that was the only one that said sun though
[05:31] <Seveas> and javac (if available)
[05:31] <andrew__> apokryphos, on debian it requires python2.3, but even installing that doesn't work because for some reason, the dependency for python-empy is python <<2.4...
[05:31] <Seveas> jar said only sun? good :)
[05:31] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, no
[05:31] <andrew__> apokryphos: ...so they conflict.  ugh.
[05:31] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, the others did not say sun
[05:32] <apokryphos> andrew__: that's the problem with debian packs, a lot of the time. You're going to get dependency hell, and could bugger up your package management system.
[05:32] <Seveas> hmm, can you pastebin the output from the jar one?
[05:32] <apostolis> Where to I put shell commands that I want to run at startup?
[05:32] <Seveas> the javac one was to be expected :)
[05:32] <dbernar1> apostolis: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[05:32] <[eDu] > hi
[05:32] <andrew__> apokryphos, yeah.  but this is where i hit a wall last time i used it: if you need a package that's not in the ubuntu repositories, you're almost SOL.
[05:32] <dbernar1> apostolis: does that file exist.
[05:33] <Dagda> can I register my nickname here?
[05:33] <apostolis> dbernar1: If not I will create it...
[05:33] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, http://pastebin.com/485416
[05:33] <apokryphos> andrew__: a rare thing, but why not compile or get directly from their site?
[05:33] <andrew__> apokryphos, IMO that has more potential of buggering up the system.  but i guess i could. :)
[05:33] <dbernar1> apostolis: nono, tell me whether it is there.
[05:33] <apokryphos> andrew__: errm, how?
[05:33] <apokryphos> not at all
[05:33] <andrew__> apokryphos, after all, it is just python stuff, a cinch to install.
[05:33] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, java -version should now say "1.5.0"
[05:33] <j2daosh> is there a way to get the actual yahoo messenger on linux? the one with voice/cam capabilities?
[05:33] <dbernar1> apostolis: I may have the path wrong.
[05:34] <dbernar1> ChaKy: hi.
[05:34] <andrew__> apokryphos, but you lose track of the files; there's no management of them and nothing "owns" them...
[05:34] <j2daosh> i have gaim installed but it doesn't allow for those 2 options
[05:34] <Seveas> !ymsgr
[05:34] <ubotu> Seveas: What?
[05:34] <Seveas> !listvals yahoo
[05:34] <j2daosh> and i did an install on ymessenger but it doesn't look like its on my system
[05:34] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'yahoo' by value (3 shown): gaim2 ;; yahoo ;; kopete.
[05:34] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, correct 1.5.0
[05:34] <Seveas> !yahoo
[05:34] <ubotu> well, yahoo is at http://www.yahoo.com
[05:34] <apostolis> dbernar1: the path is correct
[05:34] <Seveas> !forget yahoo
[05:34] <ubotu> Seveas: i forgot yahoo
[05:34] <j2daosh> yeah i know
[05:34] <Seveas> cvt|nixmas, then you're done :)
[05:35] <j2daosh> i been there... when i get the debian package it says im missing a bunch of dependencies
[05:35] <Seveas> sorry about the confusion with javac/jar, it seems that that is not needed :)
[05:35] <dbernar1> apostolis: that is where you add the commands. I do not know how you would add the "ctrl+c"
[05:35] <pilgrim> Seveas, can anyone tell ubotu to forget stuff?
[05:35] <cvt|nixmas> Seveas, tyvm
[05:37] <j2daosh> so seveas... if i used the apt-get command to install yahoo... where will i find it?
[05:37] <benplaut> what command would tell me the router's external IP, (IE, that reported by whatsmyip.org)
[05:37] <j2daosh> /usr/bin or just /bin?
[05:37] <Seveas> j2daosh, not a clue, sorry
[05:37] <Seveas> /usr/bin
[05:37] <pilgrim> !unforget yahoo
[05:37] <ubotu> pilgrim: Successfully recovered 'yahoo'.  Have fun now.
[05:37] <Seveas>  /bin is reserved for special things
[05:37] <pilgrim> !yahoo
[05:37] <ubotu> yahoo is, like, at http://www.yahoo.com
[05:38] <j2daosh> seveas... was the /usr/bin for me or someone else?
[05:38] <Seveas> yes
[05:38] <Hericus> Uh.. "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)"
[05:38] <Seveas> (you)
[05:38] <j2daosh> :) thanks
[05:38] <Seveas> Hericus, apt-get update
[05:38] <navarone> Seveas /usr/bin has binaries that are available to all users at cli yes?
[05:39] <Hericus> Codine sucks.
[05:39] <HrdwrBoB> Hericus: codeine
[05:39] <Seveas> navarone, /bin too :)
[05:39] <navarone> okie
[05:39] <Hericus> ;)
[05:39] <Seveas> navarone, /usr is allowed to be on a separate partition, /bin contains things that are neccessary before that partition is mounted
[05:39] <navarone> Seveas...essentially all binaries there are in ytour "path"...?
[05:39] <j2daosh> what is the purpose of the /opt directory?
[05:40] <apokryphos> j2daosh: some distros use that instead of /usr (i.e. suse)
[05:40] <Zambba> j2daosh: Commercial programs install there
[05:40] <navarone> gotcha
[05:40] <Seveas> j2daosh, locally installed things instead of packages
[05:40] <Draken> !nvidia
[05:40] <ubotu> nvidia is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[05:40] <Hericus> HrdwrBoB, I took like 24 pills of nurofen+ yesterday.. only codeine though. I feel really, really screwed.
[05:40] <j2daosh> ok... so its like the /program files on a winblows box?
[05:40] <Zambba> Seveas: wasn't the locally installed program directory /usr/local ?
[05:40] <Seveas> both
[05:40] <Zambba> ok
[05:41] <Seveas>  /opt is the traditional unix one, /usr/local is the modern linux one
[05:41] <dbernar1> haha
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> Hericus: nurofen is not codeine, nurofen is ibuprofen
[05:41] <dbernar1> Seveas: how many hours do you help here for each day?
[05:41] <Seveas> dbernar1, 30
[05:41] <dbernar1> Seveas: not possible.>:(
[05:41] <Hericus> HrdwrBoB, nurofen+ contains codeine along with ibuprofen.
[05:42] <gnomefreak> lol Seveas feels like it some days
[05:42] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, Hericus -> #ubuntu-offtopic please
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[05:42] <Hericus> :)
[05:42] <Seveas> gnomefreak, with some people, indeed
[05:42] <navarone> the Dr is in...lol
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> Yep.
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> Woke up befor Noon today!
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> doing good.
[05:43] <navarone> woot
[05:43] <navarone> me too
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> gotta love 2nd shift.
[05:43] <gnomefreak> ty Dr_Willis
[05:44] <navarone> Is Dapper set to release in April?
[05:44] <dbernar1> Seveas: serious, do you think you know how many hours?
[05:44] <apokryphos> navarone: yes
[05:44] <gnomefreak> navarone, yes
[05:44] <Seveas> navarone, correct
[05:44] <navarone> okay
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> No! :p
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> ok.. yes..
[05:44] <Seveas> dbernar1, it ranges between 2 and 10
[05:44] <Seveas> or maybe more even
[05:44] <dbernar1> Seveas: cool, thanks.
[05:44] <Seveas> time flies :)
[05:44] <gnomefreak> take linus 6 months to perfect an OS takes microsoft oh hell they still havent come close yet :)
[05:44] <navarone> it certainly does
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> I still find it a little odd the every 6mo release.. :P but it has its pros and cons I guess.
[05:45] <Seveas> (That was when I got to know Ubuntu: It was love at first sight :))
[05:45] <apokryphos> Seveas: first thing I remember doing well was enabling Universe repository to get KDE :P
[05:45] <Seveas> apokryphos, first thing I was so glad about was that it was GNOME based ;)
[05:46] <Seveas> (and that it actually installed on my laptop)
[05:46] <navarone> my first milestone was getting mouse to work in breezy...took about 5 minutes...<s>
[05:46] <Seveas> hehe
[05:46] <apokryphos> Seveas: I don't mind it too -- makes for an interesting combination (using kde, that is).
[05:46] <Seveas> my first milestone was wpa/802.1x
[05:46] <Seveas> which took me over a year to implement correctly :)
[05:46] <irma> how did u install something/// i whasnt loged in as su.. apt-get or somethning?
[05:46] <gnomefreak> irma, sudo apt-get
[05:46] <Seveas> !tell irma about sudo
[05:47] <irma> thx
[05:47] <apostolis> which is the bash env variable for c plus plus?
[05:47] <Seveas> dbernar1, it seems so very much longer than 14 months :)
[05:47] <Seveas> apostolis, wtf?!
[05:47] <dbernar1> Seveas: why is that?
[05:47] <Seveas> you're making no sense at all
[05:47] <Seveas> dbernar1, because it's so much fun to use and support Ubuntu :)
[05:48] <dbernar1> haha
[05:48] <spikeh> somehow the appearance of Synaptic changed and is not the theme that I'm using, how could I fix this?
[05:48] <apostolis> Seveas: I need to compile a program in c++. I installed the compiler g++ now I need to export the g++-3.4 to the default one..
[05:48] <Seveas> spikeh, it probably uses the them that root uses
[05:48] <apostolis> Seveas: so, I'm looking for something like "export cc=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4" for g++
[05:48] <spikeh> Seveas: it was fine until I started it
[05:48] <Seveas> apokryphos, export CXX=g++-3.4
[05:48] <spikeh> Seveas: I mean, it was fine when kubuntu was installed but it suddenly changed
[05:49] <yuretz2004> hi ! how can I download nvidia driver for my ubuntu?
[05:49] <Seveas> !nvidia
[05:49] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[05:49] <yuretz2004> !nvidia
[05:49] <Seveas> read what Ubotu said...
[05:49] <gnomefreak> everyone does that :(
[05:49] <lysis> so how do i attach gdk or whatever E17 said to attach.  i want to debug an error
[05:49] <yuretz2004> !nvidia
[05:49] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[05:50] <navarone> question...just for curiosity...I do not have /home on seperate partition. But if I want to move it to one is it simply a question of resizing current partition and using soemthign like mv -dpr  / or cp -dpr to new partition space?
[05:50] <Seveas> lysis, wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[05:51] <Hericus> Seveas, I'm still getting errors.
[05:51] <Hericus> After apt-get update.
[05:51] <Hericus> "W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[05:51] <Hericus> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[05:51] <Hericus> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[05:51] <Hericus> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[05:51] <Hericus> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[05:51] <Hericus> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[05:51] <Hericus> "
[05:51] <apostolis> anyone knows which package contains libz? I get this error -> checking for libz... configure: error: not found.
[05:51] <dbernar1> !win me
[05:51] <ubotu> dbernar1: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[05:51] <gnomefreak> Hericus, use pastebin to paste oh nm
[05:51] <dbernar1> Yes, and so did Hrericus.
[05:51] <Seveas> apokryphos, zlib1g-dev
[05:52] <apokryphos> Seveas: third time ;-)
[05:52] <navarone> third time's the charm
[05:52] <Seveas> aaaaaarrgggghhh
[05:52] <Seveas> stupid much too similar nicknames
[05:52] <Seveas> probably KDE users :p
[05:52] <apokryphos> 8)
[05:53] <andrew__> apokryphos, thanks for the suggestion.  it was trivial to install manually. ^_^  no lesson learned today, but i can revisit when i have more time. :)  cheers!
[05:53] <spikeh> Seveas: how do I log in as administrator to change the theme?
[05:53] <navarone> gnomefreak, how do you find it...? and don't say "it's all in the menus"...lol
[05:53] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: far more in #kubuntu too ;-)
[05:53] <Seveas> spikeh, gksudo gnome-theme-manager
[05:53] <Dr_Acemaster> how do i find out the ip of my comptuer?
[05:54] <gnomefreak> navarone, find kde? its in the sources :)
[05:54] <Seveas> Dr_Acemaster, ifconfig
[05:54] <theconartist> roflstix
[05:54] <navarone> argh
[05:54] <spikeh> Seveas: gksudo is not a valid command
[05:54] <Dr_Acemaster> Seveas: thanks
[05:54] <theconartist> your ip is <IP_ADDRESS> Dr_Acemaster
[05:54] <gnomefreak> is it just me that gets warning when using gksudo?
[05:54] <Dr_Acemaster> theconartist: funny
[05:54] <spikeh> Seveas: I'm using Kubuntu
[05:54] <theconartist> actually it is <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:55] <Seveas> spikeh, kdesu then :)
[05:55] <Seveas> spikeh, and another theme manager
[05:55] <Seveas> ask the KDE guys, apokryphos perhaps
[05:55] <spikeh> alright
[05:55] <spikeh> thanks
[05:55] <bobbyd> hi
[05:55] <apokryphos> kdesu, yup
[05:55] <apokryphos> the Kubuntu one is patched to use sudo appropriately
[05:56] <bobbyd> does anyone here have battlefield 2 working under breezy using cedega? The installer just crashes for me
[05:56] <spikeh> apokryphos: what's the command?
[05:56] <theconartist> lol
[05:56] <theconartist> bobbyd, what kind of crazy computer do you have that will run battlefield2 under cedega?
[05:56] <Dr_Acemaster> theconartist: hmm... and yours is <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> theconartist,  heh heh :P
[05:57] <theconartist> Dr_Acemaster, negative
[05:57] <Dr_Acemaster> heh
[05:57] <Dr_Acemaster> suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure
[05:57] <theconartist> thats my freinds server's ip
[05:57] <samitheberber> Dr_Acemaster: I always go to http://www.whatismyip.com and there I see my ip :D
[05:57] <Dr_Acemaster> I wanted my lan ip, not wan ip
[05:57] <bobbyd> theconartist, runs fine under other distrtos, cedega isn't an emulator you know...
[05:57] <Dr_Acemaster> Seveas: already answered thanks :)
[05:57] <theconartist> bobbyd, i know it isnt
[05:57] <theconartist> bobbyd, but it is still slower
[05:57] <samitheberber> oh
[05:58] <ninnghizidha> Anyone managed to get the composite-etensions to work with an radeon-card?
[05:58] <gnomefreak> is ubuntu always gonna be debian based or can they pull out on own someday?
[05:58] <bobbyd> theconartist, only if the functionality has to be emulated, for  lot of games it's possible to run themat the same speed
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak,  some would say its a full fork now.. but the improvements get sent back to debian...
[05:59] <bobbyd> theconartist, it's a GF6 and XP2800 anyway, not so crazy :)
[05:59] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: the way the system is, the package management, is debian-based. You can't really change your base without going back in time 8)
[05:59] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: and plus: ubuntu still syncs and gives back to sid every six months
[05:59] <moo__> Is there anything that would be on a default Ubuntu install that could interfere with outgoing packets to port 80?
[05:59] <gnomefreak> igood point
[05:59] <gnomefreak> -i
[06:00] <dbernar1> fork:-/
[06:00] <dbernar1> moo__: no.
[06:00] <Seveas> moo__, iptables -L
[06:00] <dbernar1> why, can not connect to your web server from the Internet?
[06:00] <Seveas> and you'll see :)
[06:00] <gnomefreak> i was just thinking about people who come in here saying "it works on debian" doesnt always mean its gonna work on ubuntu
[06:01] <dbernar1> gnomefreak: what works? and, ya, it does not mean it works in Ubuntu.
[06:01] <chriswoodall> can I update to Firefox 1.5?
[06:02] <chriswoodall> without updating to dapper
[06:02] <apokryphos> chriswoodall: yes, the guide is on the wiki
[06:02] <dbernar1> chriswoodall: sure, go aheadf.
[06:02] <chriswoodall> link to the wiki>
[06:02] <gnomefreak> other than apt i dont see much in common with debian i personally think ubuntu have surpast debian
[06:02] <Seveas> !ff1.5
[06:02] <ubotu> Seveas: Wish i knew
[06:02] <gnomefreak> !firefox1.5
[06:02] <ubotu> You can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[06:02] <Seveas> !ff1.5 is <reply> see firefox1.5
[06:02] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[06:02] <chriswoodall> ubotu: thnks
[06:02] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, chriswoodall
[06:03] <chriswoodall> all: thnxs
[06:03] <chriswoodall> lol forgot unotu is a bot
[06:03] <chriswoodall> ubotu
[06:03] <davidlee1oth> does anyone know the name of the repository that i can find mplayer?  it sounds like malirat?
[06:03] <Seveas> davidlee1oth, cipherfunkl
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> davidlee1oth: mplayer is in multiverse
[06:03] <Seveas> and mplayer is even in multiverse
[06:04] <X_Machine> hi
[06:04] <davidlee1oth> well, do you guys know the name of that malirat repo?
[06:04] <X_Machine> nope
[06:04] <chriswoodall> oh and how stable is dapper flight 2?
[06:04] <binary> hell everybody
[06:04] <deFrysk> hell ?
[06:04] <aTypical> Hell binary
[06:04] <gnomefreak> i think he means the debian repo great now i cant think of it
[06:04] <binary> haha ,hello
[06:04] <X_Machine> Hell U 2 !
[06:05] <binary> sorry
[06:05] <ubuntu> hi guys, i'm running the live cd to try converting a primary partition to logical
[06:05] <ubuntu> is it possible with gparted?
[06:05] <cocox> hi friends, how can i look my current instaled aplications by commands and the version of them?
[06:05] <navarone> How complicated is getting games to work in cedega? And is cedega available in binary or only source?
[06:05] <bshumate> cocox: dpkg -l | less
[06:05] <Seveas> cocox, dpkg -l | less
[06:06] <gnomefreak> navarone, i could be wrong but i think only source
[06:06] <binary> i am new here
[06:06] <Seveas> navarone, depends on the game, source only
[06:06] <chriswoodall> is cedega avalable fo rppc?
[06:06] <chriswoodall> for ppc?
[06:06] <Seveas> no
[06:06] <chriswoodall> k
[06:06] <Seveas> ^5
[06:06] <chriswoodall> that one word saved me 15 dollars
[06:06] <dbernar1> !cedega
[06:06] <ubotu> cedega is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega and for a list of working games see http://www.transgaming.org/gamesdb or #cedega or http://www.frankscorner.org/
[06:06] <navarone> hmm...is wine an acceptable alternative if you only wish to play games?
[06:06] <Seveas> no
[06:06] <navarone> okie
[06:06] <X_Machine> I do
[06:06] <cocox> Seveas, bshumate  thnx u guys!
[06:07] <thegladiator> i dont like the way the windows are minimized when i click on it . the default scheme is show a sqare thats winds up into the gnome panel . is there anyway I can change it ?
[06:07] <chriswoodall> and how can I get mol to work?
[06:07] <freemanen> what pacakage do need to install LAMP on ubuntu?
[06:07] <gnomefreak> !lamp
[06:07] <chriswoodall> and does it work with tiger (before I upgrade to tiger)
[06:07] <ubotu> somebody said lamp was Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[06:09] <thegladiator> can someone tell me how I could change the way the windows minimizes ? the default scheme is to hide the window and show a sqauer that winds up into the gnome panel at the bottom
[06:09] <thegladiator> hope you guys understand what i really want to change
[06:09] <binary> happy now year .
[06:10] <thegladiator> happy new year
[06:10] <deFrysk> thegladiator, no clue what you mean
[06:10] <dbernar1> thegladiator: and what would you like it to do?
[06:10] <dbernar1> thegladiator: not show the square?
[06:10] <binary> thank you
[06:10] <cocox> and just in case.. if i have the installed the amsn version 0.94 and is available the release 0.95 which is the best way to make the update? re-installing or making something like dpkg -update ??
[06:10] <thegladiator> the windoes , like say X chat window for eg. , suppose i have to minimize it , the default scheme is to show a sqauer that winds up into the panel
[06:10] <darkheart> Hello, I was looking for a little hep with the ATI binary driver. I installed it, but can't get the fglrx module to load and I can see in the log that DRI is not enabled.
[06:10] <deFrysk> dbernar1, remove the windowslist
[06:11] <thegladiator> dbernar1, exaclty or to change it to something else
[06:11] <thegladiator> deFrysk, how do i  ? is it something to configuer in nautilus or what ?
[06:11] <navarone> thegladiator, are you trying to disable the animations?
[06:11] <deFrysk> thegladiator, no
[06:11] <dbernar1> thegladiator: do you know what the gconf is?
[06:11] <thegladiator> have some idea of gconf yes
[06:11] <deFrysk> where it ends up in a lil square you have a grabber , right click it and remove it
[06:11] <thegladiator> navarone, yes in a way i dont like that animation
[06:12] <cvt|nixmas> has anyone upgraded to firefox 1.5 yet?
[06:12] <chriswoodall> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[06:12] <Canoeingkidd> How do I change file associations in Nautilus?
[06:12] <gnomefreak> i did but i went back to 1.0.7 :)
[06:12] <thegladiator> how do i change deFrysk ?
[06:12] <cvt|nixmas> any reason?
[06:12] <thegladiator> navarone, how do i ?
[06:12] <dbernar1> go there, go into nautilus, and check off the option to use some minimal resources.
[06:12] <deFrysk> change me ?
[06:12] <dbernar1> or something like that.
[06:12] <thegladiator> let me
[06:12] <dbernar1> thegladiator: ^
[06:12] <deFrysk> ;p
[06:13] <odat> hi everyone
[06:13] <chriswoodall> any one here use dapper?
[06:13] <Kindred> Canoeingkidd: right click a file, properties - open with
[06:13] <deFrysk> <--dapper
[06:13] <gnomefreak> <<<used to use dapper
[06:13] <binary> hi  odat
[06:13] <odat> anyone know of an easy way to use fsck?
[06:13] <navarone> thegladiator,  try Sytem Tool/Configuration Editor in Applications menu...go to Desktop gnome/interface and toggle "enable animations" to false ie uncheck box and see if that works
[06:13] <chriswoodall> how good is it?
[06:13] <gnomefreak> chriswoodall,  its not done yet its very buggy still
[06:14] <deFrysk> chriswoodall, good as in bleeding unstable
[06:14] <gnomefreak> as for FF1.5 i think FF1.0.7 is more stable in breezy
[06:14] <chriswoodall> k so just dont update yet?
[06:14] <deFrysk> chriswoodall, if you have to ask you should not no
[06:15] <gnomefreak> chriswoodall,  i would wait
[06:15] <thegladiator> and shud i restart nautilus ? how can i do that ?
[06:15] <chriswoodall> k
[06:15] <Canoeingkidd> Kindred: but it still defaults to something else
[06:15] <davidlee1oth> does anyone know how to reconfigure apt?
[06:15] <thegladiator> killall nautilus ?
[06:15] <deFrysk> davidlee1oth, reconfigure ?
[06:15] <Kindred> thegladiator: nautilus -q
[06:16] <jeori> what does "no acceptable cc found in $PATH" mean?
[06:16] <odat> anyone know of an easy way to use fsck?
[06:16] <thegladiator> that makes it a lil better navarone
[06:16] <cocox> if i have the installed the amsn version 0.94 and is available the release 0.95 which is the best way to make the update? re-installing or making something like dpkg -update ??
[06:16] <Kindred> Canoeingkidd: hm it shouldn't if you are doing it through properties and selecting there
[06:16] <dbernar1> jeori: means you should insatll "build-essential
[06:16] <thegladiator> but the sqaure doesnt diaapear
[06:16] <thegladiator> black sqaure
[06:16] <dbernar1> thegladiator: what option did you choose?
[06:16] <navarone> thegladiator...well I'm just ttrying to make the world a lil better a lil at a time...lol
[06:16] <apokryphos> cocox: reinstalling the new one; I doubt there are any debs for it yet.
[06:17] <thegladiator> dbernar1, i checked out animations
[06:17] <dbernar1> and what is better?
[06:17] <navarone> thegladiator, did you try the Config Editor thingy?
[06:17] <dbernar1> I* mean, how is it better?
[06:17] <thegladiator> navarone, exactly
[06:17] <gnomefreak> thegladiator,  you mean the 4 squares on bottom right in gnome?
[06:17] <navarone> okie
[06:17] <jeori> dbernar1, thanks
[06:17] <cocox> apokryphos, so there is no any command for make and update like in fedora distro whit rpm??
[06:17] <thegladiator> nope gnomegreak , thats desktop area
[06:17] <Canoeingkidd> Kindred: sorry you were right.....I was doing open with off the shortcut menu, not in the properties dialog, thanks
[06:18] <apokryphos> cocox: there is, but it'd need to be in a repository or you would have to have a .deb package
[06:18] <Kindred> Canoeingkidd: yeah thought you might be :)
[06:18] <navarone> gnomefreak, I think he means the way the windows minimize and show a square as they do so
[06:18] <blitz> hey guys.. i need help.. my systems runs fine, but the ctrl+alt+f1-f6 don't work under xorg..
[06:18] <thegladiator> i am trying to change the way a windows is minimized . the scheme that ubuntu uses it to show a black sqaure like think winding inside . just minimize any window and see
[06:18] <davidlee1oth> i deleted my apt sources.list file... is there a way to rebuild it?
[06:18] <benplaut> are the main repos down?
[06:18] <davidlee1oth> no
[06:18] <sls> how do you se the default cahracter set in the terminals in ubuntu?
[06:18] <gnomefreak> navarone, oh ok little black square didnt tell me much
[06:19] <thegladiator> yes navarone i need to remove it completely . i guess that is a lil bit of a delay program in disguise
[06:19] <sls> doeas any on know...
[06:19] <davidlee1oth> like... does anyone know how to add apt resources
[06:19] <davidlee1oth> to rebuild the file?
[06:19] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell davidlee1oth  about sources
[06:19] <navarone> thegladiator, when I minimizer Is ee the outline of squares as windows minimize but no square turning
[06:20] <thegladiator> outline , a black sqaure
[06:20] <aTypical> davidlee1oth, I'll bet you can find a copy of one on the ubuntu forum and just use it for your file.
[06:20] <cocox> apokryphos, but if i can install doing the "apt-get install" command the app is on a repository... so there is no way to do something like apt-get update????
[06:20] <thegladiator> there is this black sqaure (border ) that winds up into the gnome panel
[06:20] <apokryphos> cocox: if it was packaged you would be able to, but it's not.
[06:20] <gnomefreak> apt-get upgrade will upgrade any upgradable packages
[06:21] <holycow> guys, why does my ubuntu suddently think regular text files are scripts and is asking to display/run/run in terminal ... etc?  are the mime types hosed? is there any way to change this?
[06:21] <blitz> holycow: are they executeable?
[06:21] <gnomefreak> script is just that text
[06:21] <landotter> holycow: right click and see if the properties are set as executable.
[06:22] <holycow> blitz, what do you mean executable? why would that make any difference? all files in home dir are executable
[06:22] <thegladiator> how can i change that guys
[06:22] <Nei> I want to make a script to fix my keyboard
[06:22] <Malachi> pilgrim: Still there?
[06:22] <blitz> holycow: that woudl make no sense..
[06:22] <Nei> so I put one to write "setkeycodes ....." in init.d
[06:22] <holycow> that has never made a difference on any version of linux anywhere
[06:22] <pilgrim> Malachi, yeah
[06:22] <holycow> what do you mean it makes no sense?
[06:22] <holycow> chmod 755
[06:22] <pilgrim> Malachi, bussy talking to ubotu
[06:22] <Nei> but it doesn't work. could someone give me some clues how ot debug it?
[06:22] <thegladiator> !snack ubotu
[06:22] <ubotu> thegladiator: Are you smoking crack?
[06:23] <Malachi> pilgrim: Never mind...
[06:23] <thegladiator> !ubotu snack
[06:23] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, thegladiator
[06:23] <thegladiator> oops
[06:23] <blitz> holycow: why do u mark normal text files as executeabl?
[06:23] <pilgrim> Malachi, ok.
[06:23] <Kindred> !botsnack
[06:23] <ubotu> thanks kindred :)
[06:23] <cocox> apokryphos, mm so when i install my apps doing "apt-get install" this doesnt download the package ? so what is what this command do ?
[06:23] <thegladiator> ah :)
[06:23] <pilgrim> Malachi, if you need something let me know.
[06:23] <erUSUL> Nei, are you sure it gets exec an init?
[06:23] <holycow> blitz, who marks it normal? whats wrong with you? its a regular text file created the regular way. nothing more nothing less
[06:23] <erUSUL> *on
[06:23] <gnomefreak> cocox, apt-get install downloads than installs the package you named
[06:23] <apokryphos> cocox: I don't think you're understanding :). apt-get install package1 checks the ubuntu repositories (and any other repositories you have), for the given package, and if it's there, it installs it
[06:24] <blitz> holycow: if u chmod it to 755, it's executeable..
[06:24] <apokryphos> cocox: the new amsn package is not in the repositories, so you can't install it like that.
[06:24] <thegladiator> navarone, Kindred and others
[06:24] <Malachi> pilgrim: Just one thing. I changed the preferred application to firefox, but everytime I click an outside link it just opens to the home page. I think I need to add a parameter, but I don't know which one...
[06:24] <blitz> from that point on, it's beeing treated as a shell script
[06:24] <thegladiator> any idea ?
[06:24] <aTypical> blitz, are you concerned about rogue executables making it onto your system?
[06:24] <Malachi> pilgrim: Could you see what your parameters are?
[06:24] <holycow> allright, i am mistaken then, the files must have had perms changed at some point ... okay my appologies.  you guys are correct
[06:24] <pilgrim> Malachi, do firefox1.5 %s
[06:24] <blitz> aTypical, y should i be?
[06:25] <pilgrim> Malachi, or whatever that firefox 1.5 command is
[06:25] <Malachi> pilgrim: Okay, thanks. I'll leave you alone.
[06:25] <pilgrim> Malachi, I'm still around if you need anything els.e
[06:25] <cocox> apokryphos, gnomefreak ohh i c but it the amsn package were in the repositories y could do an update command ?
[06:25] <blitz> were exactly besides the xorg.conf is the keyboard under xorg konfigured?
[06:25] <blitz> configured*
[06:25] <aTypical> blitz, sorry, I'm butting into a conversation I didn't see from the beginning.  You just piqued my curiosity with it
[06:25] <thegladiator> i think that minimizer thing is justa delayer
[06:25] <gnomefreak> cocox, if it was yes upgrade would upgrade the package
[06:26] <blitz> aTypical, k
[06:26] <gnomefreak> cocox, since its not you would more than likely have to download the tar.gz and compile it
[06:26] <cocox> gnomefreak, and how should i type the command for upgrade ?? help me with the sintax plz
[06:26] <riddlebox> what app would I use to setup my wireless card?
[06:26] <thegladiator> gnomefreak, do you have any idea on that thingy ?
[06:26] <Nei> erUSUL, no I'm not >_> but in theory it should, I've made the links with update-rc.d
[06:26] <gnomefreak> thegladiator, nope i leave them just the way they are :)
[06:27] <apokryphos> cocox: aha, you're in luck :)
[06:27] <thegladiator> when i minimize a window , it shows a black sqaure curling up into the panel . i hate that
[06:27] <apokryphos> cocox: there's a .deb on their website
[06:27] <Nei> erUSUL, I was thinking, maybe ubuntu overwrites my custom setkeycodes somehow
[06:27] <gnomefreak> oh he lucked out
[06:27] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:27] <cocox> apokryphos, jajjaja really??
[06:27] <thegladiator> gnomefreak, oh man that sucks actually . it delays too much
[06:27] <Nei> what's a good way to make a console that shows system messages btw?
[06:27] <gnomefreak> cocox, download it and than run sudo dpkg -i <packagename>
[06:27] <dbernar1> thegladiator: you need to set the right option in gconf.
[06:27] <cocox> apokryphos, now i should download the .deb and just everytime that is a new release just type the upgrade command ??
[06:27] <dbernar1> something like minimal resources.
[06:27] <apokryphos> cocox: argh, oh no -- it's only a PowerPC .deb
[06:28] <gnomefreak> oops
[06:28] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:28] <dbernar1> thegladiator: reduced resources?
[06:28] <apokryphos> weird that they shouldn't have an ubuntu i386 one
[06:28] <thegladiator> dbernar1, ah . edit gnof file ?
[06:28] <dbernar1> take a look, thegladiator
[06:28] <thegladiator> gconf
[06:28] <thegladiator> let me open it
[06:28] <nickrud> reduced resources are under apps/metacity somewhere
[06:28] <holycow> blitz, landotter thx for your help
[06:28] <navarone> thegladiator, try this same place in Config Editor only go further down to "panel" and disable animations there in "global" settings...you probably have to restart x as well
[06:28] <dbernar1> thegladiator: no, Apps>Sys Tools>Config Edit>apps>nautilus
[06:28] <jmw70> I am trying to connect to my Brother MFC210C.  It is a windows printer and I can see it on the network, but I don't have the driver listed on Ubuntu.  Any ideas where I can find this driver?
[06:29] <dbernar1> thegladiator: no, it is acutally more likely in metacity.
[06:29] <apokryphos> cocox: download this: http://mesh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/amsn/amsn-0.95.tar.gz
[06:29] <thegladiator> metacity.
[06:29] <thegladiator> under apps ?
[06:29] <nickrud> yeah, apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources
[06:29] <cocox> apokryphos, gnomefreak ohhh!! but if the last release of amsn could be in the repositories what should i type for make and update?
[06:29] <dbernar1> thegladiator: sure.
[06:29] <gnomefreak> cocox, i would stay with version you have if all they have is a tar.gz unless you know how to compile it :)
[06:29] <dbernar1> or desktop, find it.
[06:29] <thegladiator> metacity is my guess as well
[06:29] <dbernar1> I do not have Ubuntu, I am at work.
[06:30] <apokryphos> cocox: just a simple sudo apt-get install amsn
[06:30] <gnomefreak> cocox,  if its not in the repos you cant update it you have to install a new one and get rid of old one
[06:30] <nickrud> that will get rid of the window diving into the panel, but it does some other stuff also that you may not like
[06:30] <gnomefreak> apokryphos, the one hes looking for isnt in repos he cant install it that way
[06:30] <apokryphos> I know, said it about 7 times :P
[06:30] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:30] <thegladiator> i am in metacities . just trying to figure out what cud cause this . if someone can help , please
[06:30] <gnomefreak> !tar.gz
[06:30] <ubotu> I guess tar.gz is a compressed archive similar to a zip file.  tar zxvf filename.tar.gz to extract.
[06:31] <gnomefreak> thats just the begining of a long day :)
[06:31] <nickrud> general/reduced_resources <-- the--dud
[06:31] <navarone> thegladiator, it's just an animation...nothing to worry about
[06:31] <nickrud> general/reduced_resources <-- thegladiator :)
[06:31] <cocox> gnomefreak, apokryphos lol thnx u guys i'll look for all the things that you told me thnxx :)
[06:32] <thegladiator> let me check reduced ersources as nickrud poins out
[06:32] <apokryphos> cocox: if you download the above package you will (i) want to extract it, (ii) run sudo apt-get build-dep amsn, (iii) then configure and compile it
[06:32] <gnomefreak> apokryphos, pssst what did we tell him to look for? i cant remember lol
[06:32] <thegladiator> animation yes . but let me see if it has some effect on the speed
[06:32] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: the source
[06:32] <thegladiator> i really dont need that anime actually
[06:32] <navarone> nickrud> if he tried apps/panel/global" there are settings there that look promising
[06:32] <thegladiator> its kind of not_so_cool
[06:32] <gnomefreak> oh ok good luck cocox
[06:32] <confrey> hi
[06:32] <holycow> so thats interesting, i guess one way to protect users on linux systems from farking up their accounts is to chmod their homedirs 640?
[06:32] <gnomefreak> lol apokryphos
[06:33] <confrey> is there a site for searching info about product e vendor numbers?
[06:33] <thegladiator> so do i have to restart x?
[06:33] <nickrud> navarone, if I remember rightly, that's for the animations of the panel itself. Window ani's are controlled by metacity
[06:33] <gnomefreak> apokryphos,  do gaim its easy
[06:33] <navarone> okie
[06:33] <jeori> what does "no curses header-files found" mean?
[06:33] <thegladiator> or metcaity can be restarted on its own ?
[06:33] <sethk> holycow, that isn't much protection, although it is protection from ignorance or accident
[06:33] <navarone> thegladiator, simple thing would be ctrl-alt-backspace
[06:33] <apokryphos> aha, that was quick+easy
[06:33] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: I'm not converting away from kopete of course ;-)
[06:34] <gnomefreak> oh god i hated kopete
[06:34] <thegladiator> yep
[06:34] <nickrud> thegladiator, all changes to gconf are picked up automatically, no need to restart anything (or normally that's so)
[06:34] <apokryphos> wow, it's just as ugly as ever
[06:34] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: why oh why
[06:34] <cocox> apokryphos, gnomefreak mmm so i should download the tar.gz packeage and make it a .deb isnt it ?
[06:34] <apokryphos> cocox: nope, download it and then compile from source
[06:34] <gnomefreak> cocox, theres alot more involved than that
[06:34] <holycow> sethk, making sure the users cannot change permissions on file is one sure way of then not running unwarranted software ... as for not much protection i am not sure what that means.  you cannot protect anyone from deleting their files if that is what the point is?
[06:34] <AlexRM> Hey
[06:34] <gnomefreak> !compile
[06:34] <apokryphos> cocox: /msg me if you want, and if you want the newest version that bad, I can walk you through it :)
[06:34] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware
[06:34] <thegladiator> brb guys
[06:34] <jmw70> I am looking for printer drivers, any ideas?
[06:35] <sethk> holycow, they can chmod their files back again if they are of a mind to do so
[06:35] <AlexRM> it's been a while since I've been on Linux, is Firefox 1.5 released for Ubuntu yet?
[06:35] <gnomefreak> apokryphos, cant you send him the .deb once you have it?
[06:35] <navarone> cocox...its a little more like the diference between asking for a cigarette and rolling your own...<s>
[06:35] <confrey> is there a site for searching info about product e vendor numbers?
[06:35] <gnomefreak> no AlexRM
[06:35] <cocox> lol
[06:35] <AlexRM> aw :(
[06:35] <holycow> sethk, one can remove that ability from them you know
[06:35] <gnomefreak> !ff1.5
[06:35] <ubotu> You can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[06:35] <ULffuntu> hi, anybody here made a dd of a fat16 fs disk?
[06:35] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: I don't have it
[06:35] <albacker> guys, after a kernel compilation.. should it run faster or slower ? the system.
[06:35] <sethk> holycow, the system becomes more or less unusable if you do.
[06:35] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: and checkinstall (if I used it anyhow) wouldn't make proper debs
[06:36] <gnomefreak> apokryphos,  oh ok i would have used checkinstall its nice :)
[06:36] <holycow> sethk, ah this affects them being able to use software?
[06:36] <sethk> holycow, right.  most things write state files in the home directory
[06:36] <ordinary> ?
[06:36] <sethk> holycow, usually in a directory .something
[06:36] <sethk> holycow, do ls -A in your home and you'll see them
[06:36] <pashaw> albacker,   the average person cant tell the difference  CPU are simply too fast these days
[06:36] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: it doesn't work with all things, unfortunately, too.
[06:37] <gnomefreak> oh it doesnt?
[06:37] <gnomefreak> :(
[06:37] <cocox> apokryphos, navarone, gnomefreak ok i'll download and compile the tar.gz is the same than installing from the .deb i mean the same results istn it ?
[06:37] <apokryphos> cocox: not exactly the same, no -- but the application will work just fine, yes.
[06:37] <gnomefreak> cocox, not really
[06:37] <apokryphos> cocox: why do you want the latest version?
[06:37] <holycow> sethk, just out of curiosity, why does a user need tghe ability to chmod?  i don't know of any piece of software (say for regular office workers ) that requires this?  i may be wrong but giving them write ability is good enough?
[06:38] <gnomefreak> theres a reason why they call things bleeding edge :(
[06:38] <holycow> time to experiment i think :)
[06:38] <albacker> pashaw, i compiled 2.6.14 [has 2.6.12-8 now] . i had a lot of errors during the booting plus the system was slower. i compiled with make bzimage modules... and also with make-kpkg * [make-kpkg gave me .debs aftter installing em i couldnt boot.. :S]
[06:38] <apokryphos> holycow: you often need it to make things executable etc
[06:38] <cocox> apokryphos, gnomefreak because maybe there are new things and some fixed bugs :S ?
[06:38] <apokryphos> cocox: but why not use another messenger? aMsn is terrible :P
[06:38] <apokryphos> try Kopete
[06:38] <navarone> hmm...does rythmbox rescan library everytime it starts?
[06:39] <pashaw> albacker,  did you use the base config from the 2.6.12 kernel  to start with or all from scratch?
[06:39] <gnomefreak> cocox,  i doubt its gonna make a difference but i would find out what was changed before you waste rest of day compiling the tar
[06:39] <holycow> apokryphos, files in /home/user need to be executable? *hmm* i'll haveto test this out, i didn't know that.  i thought read/write was enough
[06:39] <cocox> apokryphos, gnomefreak why kind of messenger do you recommend me ?
[06:39] <riddlebox> I am trying to setup my wireless card, I have gotten it to work with mandriva + ndiswrapper, but I am new to ubuntu, does someone have a howto I could read?
[06:39] <gnomefreak> i use gaim2.0 and irc
[06:39] <apokryphos> holycow: no, I thought you were just asking of an instance for why a user would want to use chmod
[06:39] <apokryphos> cocox: Kopete
[06:39] <albacker> pashaw, i copied my current configuration, and saw every single thing i had to configure..
[06:39] <apokryphos> new kopete has full webcam support too =)
[06:39] <mwe> gnomefreak: it's still the beta, right?
[06:39] <gnomefreak> mwe yes
[06:40] <gnomefreak> mwe,  it looks alot more like aim now :)
[06:40] <pashaw> albacker,   i only conpile kernels if its for a server (limit the extra crap) or if the new kernel fixes a problem the old kernel was giving me
[06:40] <albacker> pashaw, dunno. ive been compiling the last 3 days.. compiling deleting recompiling. i decided not to compile anymore. it looks like it doesnt work for me :(
[06:40] <holycow> apokryphos, no, as a result of mucking about it occured to me that chmoding user dir's to 644 would prevent them from accidentally running stuff, removing their ability to chmod would lock it down fairly well.  a regular user has no need for chmod in a sandboxed environment
[06:40] <mwe> gnomefreak: yeah. I got it too :)
[06:40] <gnomefreak> even dapper doesnt have it in repos
[06:40] <pashaw> albacker,   personally i think your wasting your time   unless you think the new kernel will fix something
[06:41] <confrey> is there a site for searching info about product e vendor numbers?
[06:41] <holycow> oh and look, in ubuntu a regular user has no access to chmod
[06:41] <cocox> apokryphos, gnomefreak ok guys i'll read more and try kopete, thnx u for ur time :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:41] <navarone> privet hajit
[06:41] <thegladiator> reduced resources it it . but I advise not to change it since ni the reduced mode , it looks really awkward
[06:41] <albacker> pashaw, yeah, i wanted to activate video4linux in the new kernel
[06:41] <mwe> holycow: of course a normal user has access to chmod. just not on others files
[06:42] <holycow> mwe, why?
[06:42] <holycow> when does a secretary need chmod?
[06:42] <navarone> tehgladiator how so?
[06:42] <sethk> holycow, every user can run chmod
[06:42] <vladimir> excuse me! I today install Ubuntu.  How you listen .mp3. with what program
[06:42] <mwe> holycow: if you make a script and need to make it executable for example
[06:42] <dsl633> hello everyone
[06:42] <holycow> mwe, that isn't a regular user
[06:42] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell vladimir about mp3
[06:42] <holycow> that is a power user
[06:42] <thegladiator> the window minimizing works well . but when you drag a window , the window will be shown as a cluster of sqaures being dragged
[06:43] <dsl633> i am running
[06:43] <holycow> my definition of regular user is secretary, we are talking two separate things
[06:43] <mwe> holycow: or you want other people not to be able to read your files
[06:43] <joaquinz> hi
[06:43] <gnomefreak> <<doesnt remember needing sudo to chmod
[06:43] <dsl633> i am running dsl of a cd right now because i want to check my system using fsck  but i'm not sure how
[06:43] <holycow> mwe, no, regular users have no business setting that up, sorry.  thats for power users.  regular users email/drop stuff onto file servers
[06:43] <mwe> gnomefreak: you don't
[06:43] <dsl633> any help?
[06:43] <holycow> mwe, i know what you are saying, we are simply talking about two different roles
[06:44] <riddlebox> nevermind i think I figured it all out
[06:44] <gnomefreak> secretary in usa does most if not all things for his/her boss
[06:45] <joaquinz> ive some trouble with dapper drake flight 2... i've installed it and since then, the network card havent work anymore :(
[06:45] <holycow> i work with executive assitants to ceo's, not a single one of them has every needed to change permissions to a file.  infact none of them even know what file permissions are ... its hard to explain to them what file permissions are to begin with
[06:45] <popey> is it possible to compile a vanilla kernel.org kernel on ubuntu without any patches from ubuntu or debian?
[06:45] <mwe> popey: yes
[06:45] <gnomefreak> joaquinz,  you have to set it up in the networking area
[06:46] <mwe> popey: I did
[06:46] <popey> cool
[06:46] <popey> any gotchas?
[06:46] <joaquinz> gnomefreak: it doesnt recognize my card or something like that
[06:46] <thegladiator> secretaries are mostly babes
[06:46] <gnomefreak> joaquinz, dapper is not close to release
[06:46] <dsl633> anyone know how i do that?
[06:46] <pashaw> albacker,   what video device  video for linux is in the default kernel modules
[06:46] <joaquinz> gnomefreak : and?
[06:46] <thegladiator> gnomefreak, you didnt mean did that or did you ?
[06:46] <mwe> popey: lots. like forgetting to check the right drivers :)
[06:46] <popey> heh
[06:46] <gnomefreak> joaquinz, did your nic card work in breezy?
[06:46] <popey> well, yeah that's the obvious one :)
[06:46] <joaquinz> gnomefreak: perfectly
[06:47] <joaquinz> gnomefreak: it is a nvidia onboard networkcard
[06:47] <thegladiator> albacker, what was that problem ? you couldnt compile your kernel ?
[06:47] <gnomefreak> joaquinz, go into your network settings and set it up
[06:47] <navarone> holycow I understand what you are saying...regular users are not just people without root privs...they are usually people just trying to do their job...<s>
[06:47] <mwe> popey: then you need to compile any external modules like ati binary drivers yourself
[06:47] <gnomefreak> didnt mean what thegladiator ?
[06:47] <pashaw> thegladiator,   he compiled a new kernel  to add something that was already in the default kerne;
[06:47] <popey> yeah, i have an nvidia laptop
[06:47] <albacker> thegladiator, i can compile it, but it gets me errors during boot-time and also it runs slower ..
[06:47] <thegladiator> about secs , u wanted one
[06:48] <holycow> navarone, *nod* yup
[06:48] <gnomefreak> yes i do want one
[06:48] <mwe> popey: in that case s/ati/nvidia/ :)
[06:48] <popey> IKWYM
[06:48] <albacker> thegladiator, secs ?
[06:48] <gnomefreak> secretary
[06:49] <thegladiator> albacker, scretary , it was a follow up on something gn0me said
[06:49] <kekko> helloooo!!!
[06:49] <fredforfaen> !java
[06:49] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[06:49] <albacker> pashaw, i dont have it in my current kernel..
[06:49] <albacker> pashaw, talking about v4l..
[06:49] <kekko> hii
[06:49] <navarone> salut kekko
[06:49] <kekko> salu
[06:49] <kekko> t
[06:49] <gnomefreak> joaquinz,  you have alot of work ahead of you hope your ready for it and i would check bugzilla to find out the bugs you will see and some of them tell you how to fix it
[06:50] <kekko> are you french?
[06:50] <navarone> no kekko...Canadaian
[06:50] <kekko> good
[06:50] <kekko> pleased to meet u
[06:50] <navarone> nice to meet you too...how can we help?
[06:50] <albacker> aha ok
[06:50] <kekko> mh...
[06:50] <pashaw> albacker,  type  sudo locate v4l   youll see it listed under  2.6.12
[06:51] <vladimir> me too, but how can listen .mp3
[06:51] <thegladiator> !restricted
[06:51] <ubotu> well, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[06:51] <gnomefreak> vladimir, did you read the post ubotu sent you?
[06:51] <pashaw> albacker,   the default breezy kernel config   shows all but 1 v4l device enabled
[06:51] <kekko> i'm thinking
[06:51] <thegladiator> vladimir, read what ubotu says
[06:51] <Note> whats the link to the firefox updating page
[06:51] <gnomefreak> thegladiator,  i sent him that a while ago lol
[06:51] <Note> wiki
[06:51] <gnomefreak> !ff1.5
[06:51] <ubotu> You can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[06:52] <kekko> i've some problem wt pppoeconf
[06:52] <mwe> kekko: yeah. what problems?
[06:52] <thegladiator> :d
[06:52] <kekko> the connection doesn't starts at the boot
[06:52] <existance> Would anyone recommend a bittorrent client that can limit upload and such?
[06:52] <kekko> i've ubuntu with kde 3.5
[06:52] <thegladiator> vladimir, read those things and you cud listen to ur favourite track soon
[06:52] <popey> existance: i use btdownloadcurses
[06:52] <kekko> not kubuntu
[06:53] <freddie> need help with videos on the internet they close my firefox
[06:53] <existance> popey, thanks :)
[06:53] <popey> so what's the general feel about upgrading to dapper now? :D
[06:53] <holycow> okay so appearent "folders" haveto be 755 otherwise nautilus cannot open them, that kinda makes sense.  can one traverse the file structure recursively and only set files withing all folders to 644 say?
[06:53] <mwe> kekko: you didn't install kubuntu-desktop to get it?
[06:53] <gnomefreak> Popey unless you know what your doing dont
[06:53] <kekko> no
[06:53] <kekko> apt-get install kdebase
[06:53] <gnomefreak> normally if you have to ask you dont want to upgrade to it
[06:53] <mwe> kekko: I see. just the base
[06:53] <popey> the problem is i need a newer kernel for my DVB-T card
[06:53] <kekko> yes ;)
[06:53] <popey> sure
[06:53] <popey> I'm just after the general feel
[06:54] <popey> "It's broken, don't" or "yeah, it's okay at the moment"
[06:54] <popey> I have it running in a virtual machine and it seems okay
[06:54] <kekko> but...
[06:54] <pashaw> popey,    broekn
[06:54] <existance> popey, any idea what their homepage is? It doesn't seem to show up on google :/
[06:54] <popey> but of course that VM has significantly less software packages and different driverrs
[06:54] <freddie> need help with videos on the internet they close my firefox
[06:54] <kekko> pppoeconf didnt work well
[06:54] <rev> is there a way to force konqueror to use a WINS-server when doing smb:/ ?
[06:54] <kekko> before the kde installation end now
[06:55] <gnomefreak> rev, #kubuntu might know
[06:55] <cyphase> freddie, try installing the Media Connectivity Plugin
[06:55] <gnomefreak> cyphase,  good luck :(
[06:55] <cyphase> Media Player Connectivity*
[06:55] <rev> gnomefreak: no answer there :/
[06:55] <freddie> cyphase were can i find it
[06:55] <cyphase> gnomefreak, why?
[06:55] <Malachi> What's a good FTP client?
[06:55] <cyphase> freddie, do a search
[06:55] <cyphase> should be first
[06:55] <freddie> kk
[06:55] <navarone> malachi gftp suits my needs
[06:55] <pashaw> Malachi,    apt-cache search ftp     pick one  :P
[06:55] <D1> anyone know if theres any gnome 2.14 preview page like the last few releases?
[06:55] <Malachi> Thanks, guys.
[06:55] <cyphase> gnomefreak, why good luck?
[06:56] <mwe> holycow: the executable bit for directories says whether you someone access them
[06:56] <D1> I wanna see whats new.
[06:56] <gnomefreak> cyphase,  he has been sent every wiki on it and still spammed asking the same thing
[06:56] <cyphase> ah
[06:56] <D1> I tried 2.13 and it didn't seem so innovative. ;[
[06:56] <cyphase> i thought because the plugin itself
[06:56] <mwe> holycow: if you own the directory you could access it even if it's 500
[06:56] <gnomefreak> popey, i recommend staying with breezy for now im sure most will agree with me there
[06:57] <cyphase> popey, he's right :)
[06:57] <ULffuntu> anybody here know about byte offsets in the mount command?
[06:57] <holycow> mwe, ah! okay i'm having some weird behaviour here then, i chmod dirs to 644 (say just myfiles folder with my docs only), and nautilus all of a sudden cannot open them even though i own them
[06:57] <freddie> cyphase i seached 4 it nothing came up
[06:57] <Ganjhi> Hey, I was wondering if anybody could help me with a sound issue I'm having with Enemy Territory. I'm trying to; echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss but I always get permission denied, chmod +x or su-c does not help.
[06:57] <navarone> popey...I am staying with breezy...rather tahn working another four months trying to get dapper to work before it's release...lol
[06:57] <cyphase> freddie, what did you search for
[06:57] <cyphase> exact phrase
[06:57] <gnomefreak> cyphase, ;)
[06:58] <mwe> holycow: yeah. disabling the exe bit(1) is bad for dirs you wanna access
[06:58] <freddie> cyphase the Media Connectivity Plugin
[06:58] <cyphase> "the" doesn't do anything
[06:58] <cyphase> but ok
[06:58] <Ganjhi> When I use su -c it the terminal prompts me for my password, but it always says Authentication Failure, but I know I'm using the right password.
[06:58] <mwe> holycow: and the read bit as well if you wanna see the files in there
[06:58] <navarone> Does Punkbuster work in linux with rtcw?
[06:58] <cyphase> freddie, did you really search? and di you look at the results?
[06:58] <ULffuntu> anybody here a loopmount expert?
[06:58] <cyphase> did*
[06:58] <sethk> Ganjhi, if you don't use -c?
[06:59] <sethk> ULffuntu, I don't know about the expert part, but I know how it works.  what's the problem?
[06:59] <Ganjhi> It says Unknown ID Sethk
[06:59] <cyphase> freddie?
[06:59] <pashaw> Ganjhi,   that would use roots password you dont have a root
[06:59] <ULffuntu> sethk: I made some dd's of some zip disks like this...
[07:00] <freddie> cyphase on the internet or the synaptic packe manger
[07:00] <pashaw> Ganjhi,   use sudo
[07:00] <sethk> Ganjhi, why are you using su -c instead of sudo?
[07:00] <Ganjhi> how?
[07:00] <ULffuntu> dd if=/dev/sda of=zipdisk.img
[07:00] <cyphase> freddie, the internet
[07:00] <pashaw> Ganjhi,    sudo command file
[07:00] <ULffuntu> and they wouldn't mount until i learned abou sda4
[07:00] <Note> I cant install to /opt
[07:00] <Note> help
[07:00] <holycow> mwe, that is a bit confusing ... so i chmod everything to 644.  nothing is executable.  i still own the files user.user.  if i own them i should be able to view them no (unless i do something stupid like chomod everything 000)?
[07:00] <Ganjhi> so instead of using su -c I just type sudo??
[07:00] <sethk> ULffuntu, losetup /dev/loop0 zipdisk.img;  mount -t whatever /dev/loop0 /mountpoint
[07:01] <pashaw> Ganjhi,   sudo   is used for admin tasks in ubuntu
[07:01] <cyphase> Official Ubuntu support channel | Documentation: http://help.ubuntu.com/ | Support options: http://ubuntu.com/support | Community news: http://fridge.ubuntu.com | Use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org for pasting | IRC Info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat | Dapper Drake is still unstable. DOn't use it!
[07:01] <Ganjhi> okay, thanks pashaw
[07:01] <cyphase> oops
[07:01] <cyphase> :P
[07:01] <sethk> holycow, remember that x, on a directory, means search
[07:01] <mwe> holycow: but you can't access the dir if the exe bit is unset for it
[07:01] <gnomefreak> oh its there?
[07:01] <sethk> Ganjhi, not really for admin tasks, for doing anything that requires su privileges
[07:01] <Ganjhi> good to know
[07:01] <sethk> Ganjhi, and not in any way specific to ubuntu; it's been in unix for 25 years
[07:01] <cyphase> gnomefreak, no
[07:01] <gnomefreak> oh
[07:02] <cyphase> i was going to tyr setting it
[07:02] <gnomefreak> i saw
[07:02] <cyphase> and i forgot /topic
[07:02] <cyphase> lol
[07:02] <navarone> sethk macos too i think
[07:02] <gnomefreak> <<<doesnt know how to do anything
[07:02] <freddie> cyphase ok ill try it
[07:02] <sethk> navarone, in OSX, certainly, because it's BSD UNIX
[07:02] <cyphase> there are actually several big channels that allow anyone to change the topic
[07:02] <mwe> holycow: setting the files to 644 or 600 is fine, but the dir need 700 or 755 or something similar like 750
[07:02] <navarone> sethk yup
[07:03] <vilefridge> Hello!  I just replaced my motherboard and now my Ubuntu 5.10 will not boot.  It says it cannot start XServer.  Is there some way to resolve this?  I was on here yesterday and someone suggested to remove and reinstall xserver-xorg, however my ethernet adapter doesn't work in recovery mode so I can't use apt-get to retrieve it again.  is there some way to point it to the installation disc instead?  Is this what I should be doing?
[07:03] <freddie> cyphase didnt work
[07:03] <mwe> holycow: and 700 will only work if you own the dir. genrally dirs are set to 755
[07:03] <cyphase> freddie, did you look through the results?
[07:04] <cocox> what is the equivalen of the "service" command in fedora core ??????
[07:04] <Note> help
[07:04] <pashaw> vilefridge,   type   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:04] <mwe> cocox: what does it do in fedora?
[07:04] <freddie> cyphase no were r they
[07:04] <mwe> !helpme
[07:04] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[07:04] <vilefridge> pashaw: dpkg-reconfigure wasn't recognized as a request.. I had tried that before removing it
[07:04] <Note> I cant put files into /opt (required for ff instalation)
[07:04] <cyphase> freddie, did you do the search?
[07:04] <sethk> Note, use sudo
[07:04] <mwe> Note: yes, with sudo you can
[07:05] <cocox> mwe, starts a service
[07:05] <Note> sethk: how would I do this
[07:05] <pashaw> vilefridge,   use sudo infront of it
[07:05] <cocox> mwe, manage a service.... stop, start, pause
[07:05] <freddie> cyphase yes and i installed it
[07:05] <sethk> Note, depends on what you are currently doing, that fails, when you are trying to put files into /opt
[07:05] <spikeh> how would I associate a program to open a specific format
[07:05] <mwe> cocox: just do /etc/init.d/apache2 start to start apache 2 for example
[07:05] <sethk> Note, normally, you do the same thing you are already doing, but prefix sudo to the command
[07:05] <cyphase> freddie, then what are you asking?
[07:05] <vilefridge> pashaw: I had used sudo and tried all different variations like dpkg --reconfigure, dpkg reconfigure, etc..
[07:05] <spikeh> i.e. I'd like to make Opera my default Internet browser
[07:05] <Note> ?
[07:05] <thegladiator> spikeh, please dont
[07:06] <Note> I wam trying to drag it their
[07:06] <cyphase> freddie, "no were r they". what's that mean?
[07:06] <Note> which I know wont work
[07:06] <spikeh> thegladiator: ?
[07:06] <Note> (bad osx habits)
[07:06] <freddie> cyphase never mind
[07:06] <mwe> cocox: with sudo probably though
[07:06] <sethk> Note, ok, then you have to start the program that you are draggin in with sudo
[07:06] <thegladiator> spikeh, firefox is better IMHO
[07:06] <freddie> cyphase just the thing i installed didnt work
[07:06] <cocox> mwe, thnx for the help :)
[07:06] <spikeh> thegladiator: I switched to Opera on Windows and never looked back; and I'd like to do the same on Linux
[07:06] <sethk> Note, you are probably using a menu to start, so you'll have to check the properties of the menu to find the command you need to run
[07:07] <mwe> cocox: you're welcome
[07:07] <cyphase> freddie, you mean the Media Player Connectivity plugin?
[07:07] <pashaw> vilefridge,  your using Ubuntu right?
[07:07] <thegladiator> spikeh, i have used opera , ie , and few others....believe me firefox is really better
[07:07] <freddie> cyphase tes
[07:07] <holycow> bah!
[07:07] <holycow> :) damned power in this town
[07:07] <holycow> hehe
[07:07] <holycow> okay cool, you guys explained everything beatifully ... that brings me back to my earlier question ... how does one chmod all files in all subdirs 644 while leaving the dirs 755?
[07:07] <cyphase> freddie, it works
[07:07] <vilefridge> pashaw: correct, 5.10
[07:07] <cyphase> but you need to configure it
[07:07] <gnomefreak> spikeh, in the settings in opera you should beable to make it default browser as you do with FF or ie yucky
[07:07] <thegladiator> spikeh, you get the same performance with FF if not better . i think opera doesnt handle popus as wellas FF
[07:07] <freddie> cyphase no it dont work
[07:07] <sethk> holycow, find . -type f -exec chmod 0644 '{}' \;
[07:08] <thegladiator> gnomefreak, does that work in linux ? making it default ?
[07:08] <cyphase> freddie, did you restart firefox?
[07:08] <spikeh> thegladiator: I have chosen to use Opera yet why are you challenging that? the first rule of support is to fix the issue at hand not to suggest new programs
[07:08] <gnomefreak> thegladiator,  it should
[07:08] <freddie> cyphaseno dont nohow
[07:08] <cyphase> whoa, whoa
[07:08] <mwe> thegladiator: however java sometimes break FF
[07:08] <vilefridge> pashaw:  Since I removed xserver-xorg, I'll have to get it back on there... but my internet connection doesn't work in recovery mode at the command prompt.. Is there some way to point apt-get towards the installation disc?
[07:08] <holycow> sethk, ah! okay gotcha ... i understand what to google for now :)
[07:08] <sethk> holycow, but, _please_, don't use numbers.  do something like    chmod u+w   or g+rw   or whatever it is  you actually want
[07:08] <cyphase> let's not get into a browser war
[07:08] <holycow> sethk, *nod* right
[07:08] <thegladiator> spikeh, it was a suggestion , there is alarger rule that says , take what you like .
[07:08] <holycow> that makes more sense actually
[07:08] <cyphase> freddie, press the X in the top right corner
[07:08] <pashaw> vilefridge,   ok reboot pick a recovery kernel  when grub pops up,   login, then type this>> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    <<the whole thing single spaces
[07:08] <sethk> cyphase, hey, I was enjoying the war   :)
[07:08] <gnomefreak> thegladiator, saying something is better can and will start a flamewar we really dont want that in here
[07:08] <cyphase> then open firefox again
[07:08] <cyphase> sethk, oh sorry
[07:08] <cyphase> forget what i said
[07:08] <sethk> cyphase,   :)
[07:08] <freddie> cyphase i did that but it still dont work
[07:08] <cyphase> go on with the war
[07:08] <gnomefreak> cyphase, lol
[07:08] <vilefridge> pashaw: alright, i'll give that a shot, brb :)
[07:08] <cyphase> :D
[07:09] <pashaw> vilefridge,    what you removed it
[07:09] <thegladiator> gnomefreak, yes ;d lets peace off
[07:09] <cyphase> freddie, it should be working. if it's not, then..
[07:10] <freddie> cyphase never mind i think i got it
[07:10] <thegladiator> mwe, yeah java tends to break FF sometimes . actually mozilla internet app suite is very stable in that context
[07:10] <cyphase> ok
[07:10] <gnomefreak> cyphase,  he will be back :)
[07:11] <cyphase> lol
[07:11] <cyphase> you think he's doing it on purpose?
[07:11] <cyphase> i mean..
[07:11] <cyphase> lol
[07:11] <mwe> thegladiator: I use epiphany for java
[07:11] <gnomefreak> i gave him every wiki that ubotu knows and he didnt read a one
[07:11] <navarone> gnomefreak, ...i think he went to sit under his bridge again maybe
[07:12] <gnomefreak> navarone,  maybe ;)
[07:12] <cyphase> still
[07:12] <cyphase> it shows how far ubuntu still has to go
[07:12] <cyphase> lol
[07:12] <thegladiator> mwe, cool. ephiphany has some issues with color ?  for eg. when u open gmail , there are no colors for the mail which makes it look a tad unproffesional . i like ephi for its simplicity though
[07:12] <jumpkick> anyone here tried installing webmin on breezy?
[07:12] <Delvien> Can anyone tell me which Dapper release is installable? flight 2 isnt
[07:12] <cyphase> jumpkick, yes
[07:12] <cyphase> it's weird
[07:12] <gnomefreak> lol sometimes yeah but if you dont read you dont learn lol
[07:13] <cyphase> can't access it except from the computer it's installed on
[07:13] <thegladiator> Delvien, yes
[07:13] <cyphase> gnomefreak, i know
[07:13] <Delvien> thegladiator which one?
[07:13] <thegladiator> flight 2
[07:13] <jumpkick> cyphase: how'd you get past the "md5sum: miniserv.pem: No such file or directory" error?
[07:13] <cyphase> jumpkick, i don't know
[07:13] <cyphase> i just uninstalled it after a while
[07:13] <holycow> dudes, you guys are like the goddamned "A - Team" of linux :)
[07:13] <Delvien> thegladiator when i try to install it it says... Kernal panic can not mount :VFS: unkown block or something like that
[07:14] <jumpkick> cyphase: maybe you had that file from an older rev of the package...
[07:14] <holycow> that has to be the fastest trouble shooting session i've ever had :)
[07:14] <holycow> thanks!!!!
[07:14] <Delvien> thegladiator this is right after i hit "install ubuntu"
[07:14] <sproingie> thegladiator: i'm guessing epiphany opens gmail in basic mode, right?
[07:14] <pashaw> holycow,   can i be ACE
[07:14] <thegladiator> sproingie, yes i thin so . can i change it >?
[07:14] <gnomefreak> Delvien, its still very buggy i dont suggest installing it if you get past that problem
[07:14] <cyphase> holycow, you had a power outage?
[07:14] <holycow> seth_k especially for that code snippet :)
[07:14] <thegladiator> Delvien, i havent tried it actually . but check out distrowatch and it says flight 2
[07:14] <sproingie> thegladiator: beats me, does epiphany support javascript sufficiently?
[07:15] <Delvien> gnomefreak i dont mind bugs , but have to install it first hehe :P
[07:15] <holycow> cyphase, yes, and it turns out my power backup here doesn't work :/
[07:15] <gnomefreak> flight2 is newest
[07:15] <cyphase> where are you?
[07:15] <holycow> pashaw, hehe :)
[07:15] <gnomefreak> Delvien,  the installation bugs are badf
[07:15] <gnomefreak> bad*
[07:15] <thegladiator> sproingie, mwe is the one who uses it . i use FF . but yes java didnt have any probs in ephi
[07:15] <Delvien> aye . but i want it :)
[07:15] <jumpkick> cyphase: you can allow other computers to access webmin by adding an IP to the "allow " line in miniserv.conf
[07:15] <gnomefreak> just waring you once you get past install if you do its alot of extra work to do to get it to run
[07:16] <thegladiator> it wud take a new channel to discuss unstable releases sometimes
[07:16] <thegladiator> ;p so much bugs
[07:16] <Delvien> gnomefreak something im willing to do :)
[07:16] <cyphase> jumpkick, it wasn't working
[07:16] <gnomefreak> dapper drake flight 2 is alpha. alpha= pre beta
[07:16] <cyphase> but it's fine
[07:16] <cyphase> i don't really need it
[07:16] <thegladiator> mwe, have you opened gmail with ephi ?
[07:16] <holycow> pashaw, hehe :)
[07:16] <mwe> thegladiator: I don't think so
[07:17] <jumpkick> cyphase: I think the package is broken now... :(
[07:17] <gnomefreak> Delvien,  you want to get past install read bugzilla to see if your issue has been made or fixed
[07:17] <thegladiator> sproingie, you were talkin of basic mode . how do i change it ?
[07:17] <thegladiator> mwe, could you please , in case you have a gmail account ?
 apt-get installed epiphany but got game instead or browser...oops
[07:17] <sproingie> thegladiator: get epiphany to spoof the user-agent and claim to be firefox
[07:17] <mwe> thegladiator: it doesn't work for you?
[07:17] <sproingie> thegladiator: you'll probably find it falls over real quick, but it's worth a shot
[07:17] <thegladiator> mwe color issues
[07:18] <thegladiator> sproingie, how do i spoof  ?
[07:18] <sproingie> thegladiator: no idea, i don't use it
[07:18] <gnomefreak> i know in firefox you change a little in about:config
[07:18] <thegladiator> ok
[07:18] <mwe> thegladiator: what color issues? it seems ok at a first glanse here
[07:18] <thegladiator> mwe, not at first  glance actually
[07:18] <sproingie> thegladiator: the full mode of gmail uses dhtml and xmlhttprequest, if epi doesn't support those, it won't work
[07:19] <thegladiator> mwe, the next stage once you log into mail
[07:19] <thegladiator> sproingie, i see . so its an issue thats is irrparable
[07:19] <mwe> thegladiator: yeah that's what I mean it looks ok, my inbox, contacts and when I open a message
[07:20] <thegladiator> it has the color that you see in firefox ?
[07:20] <mwe> thegladiator: I believe so. let me check again
[07:20] <thegladiator> my gmail is like black and white . the blue color that it has in FF dissapears
[07:21] <thegladiator> gmail  generally has a blue shade
[07:21] <thegladiator> bu in this case its just plain black and whiet
[07:21] <Delvien> gnomefreak i searched bugzilla, no one has the same problem as me
[07:22] <mwe> thegladiator: it's looks identical if FF and epi here with a light blue background
[07:22] <thegladiator> mwe, gosh . why shud it be different here ?
[07:22] <gnomefreak> Delvien,  you can report it than or try to fix it on your own the issue i had when installing it was bad iso
[07:22] <mwe> thegladiator: I have no idea
[07:22] <pashaw> Delgul,   part of alpha releases is finding solutions to your own problems to help fix it
[07:23] <Delvien> gnomefreak im hopeing that is it. and not something wrong with me :P
[07:23] <X_Machine> Hi vribody
[07:23] <thegladiator> wonder why
[07:23] <mwe> opera tells me to install motif. would that be libmotif3?
[07:24] <stelmate> Hellow
[07:24] <freemanen> then I am trying to connect to a msyql database with a php script i get this error
[07:24] <freemanen> Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/adressLaggTill.php on line 2
[07:24] <X_Machine> anyone has an idea on how to make windows games workng on ubuntu
[07:24] <gnomefreak> Delvien,  Delvien if you cant debug install you have a very long way to go if you look at bug#21487 it will tell you how to get what errors it gives and you can start debugging there
[07:24] <freemanen> why?
[07:24] <X_Machine> ??
[07:24] <X_Machine> to play
[07:24] <gnomefreak> Delvien, my advice is to atleast wait till flight 3 in jan
[07:24] <stelmate> cedega (but it still kinda sux)
[07:24] <X_Machine> i don't like flight sims
[07:25] <thegladiator> 1.8.2 is the version mwe ?
[07:25] <gnomefreak> oh btw installing kubuntu-desk-top in ubuntu dapper will crash you menu in gnome :)
[07:25] <mwe> X_Machine: only a small percentage of windoze games will work in linux
[07:25] <gnomefreak> locales is gonna be an issue also
[07:25] <X_Machine> I prefer Windows
[07:25] <pashaw> freemanen,  youll likely get more help in PHP or MySQL   irc channels or forums
[07:25] <freemanen> ok
[07:25] <Malachi> How do you add fonts in Ubuntu?
[07:25] <ixion> hi, its been a while since I've had to use linux/ubuntu could someone please remind me how to start apache2, I have installed it using APT
[07:26] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell Malachi  about fonts
[07:26] <thegladiator> X_Machine, linux gaming is in its infance
[07:26] <thegladiator> mwe which version of ephi btw ?
[07:26] <Malachi> Thanks, gnomefreak
[07:26] <thegladiator> brb
[07:26] <gnomefreak> yw Malachi
[07:27] <freddie> cyphase i got the thing installed and it still cloeses my fire fox
[07:27] <gnomefreak> :)
[07:28] <cyphase> freddie, then i don't know what's wrong
[07:28] <Kindred> ixion: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[07:28] <freddie> cyphase u no im useing linux right
[07:28] <cyphase> freddie, really? i thought you were on windows..
[07:28] <stelmate> anyone got xdvdshrink working? (or lxdvdrip for that matter) I keep getting that dam %d mplex error.
[07:28] <ixion> Kindred, I tried that it just returns me back to the shell with no output?
[07:28] <gnomefreak> freddie, i would hope your using ubuntu
[07:28] <freddie> cyphase nope
[07:28] <cyphase> oh..
[07:29] <freddie> cyphase ya im using ubuntu
[07:29] <cyphase> i didn't know
[07:29] <cyphase> i thought it was windows
[07:29] <TokenBad> is there a way to fax over high speed internet or can that only be done via dialup..if can be done via highspeed internet..what software for ubuntu will do it?
[07:29] <gnomefreak> cyphase,  ill bbs im gonna play with bugs for a while :)
[07:30] <freddie> cyphase can i uninstall it
[07:30] <cyphase> freddie, why?
[07:30] <pashaw> TokenBad,   those are called emails
[07:30] <freddie> cyphase it caps poping up when i start up fire fox
[07:30] <cyphase> and when it pops up, what do you do?
[07:31] <apostolis> whivh package libz?
[07:31] <cyphase> click Cancel?
[07:31] <Manifold> Wiw,
[07:31] <Manifold> Wow.
[07:31] <TokenBad> so no way to do an actual fax to a fax number...
[07:31] <Manifold> I've just install Ubuntu.
[07:31] <freddie> cyphase i seach 4 movie players like it says
[07:31] <Manifold> This is impressive.
[07:31] <cyphase> freddie, i don't know what's wrong with it
[07:31] <cyphase> it should work
[07:32] <pashaw> TokenBad,   i know of some windows programs    but they are mostly used for recieving faxes over the internet
[07:32] <cyphase> if it isn't, then your computer has some strange problem
[07:32] <freddie> cyphase the moive player with it dont work right
[07:32] <pashaw> TokenBad,   to save on long distance
[07:32] <cyphase> freddie, use totem if your not
[07:32] <freddie> cyphase thats wut i mean i use that
[07:33] <pashaw> TokenBad,   google    internet fax send     maybe add linux to the search keys
[07:33] <cyphase> freddie, do you want me to VNC into your computer and fix it?
[07:33] <Mabus06>     x
[07:33] <freddie> cyphase wuts that mean
[07:33] <TokenBad> pashaw, ok thanks...but this is paperwork I have to fax to someone else.. and not sure you can do it over highspeed..think you have to do it with a dialup modem
[07:33] <cyphase> freddie, it means i can see what's on your screen
[07:33] <cyphase> so i can fix the problem
[07:33] <apostolis> what is this? checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[07:33] <freddie> cyphase kk
[07:34] <cyphase> freddie, do you have broadband?
[07:34] <freddie> cyphase yes
[07:34] <cyphase> ok
[07:34] <pashaw> TokenBad,   well you would have to scan them into your puter first
[07:34] <cyphase> do you know how to start the VNC server?
[07:34] <Note> if i want a partition on my external drive to be readable and writable by ubuntu and os x what should the format be