[05:08] <hypa7ia> (re-asking this due to lack of replies) hey, does anyone else think that the colour assigned to highlited menu options in hoary is kinda... to pale?
[05:08] <speedy2782> or a swiss watch- whatever you prefer
[05:09] <ian__> speedy2782: they should never maximize above top bar.  do you mean fullscreen mode?
[05:09] <BiteMeBill> hypa7ia: depends on your theme.
[05:09] <speedy2782> no, when I maximize it covers the top menu
[05:09] <speedy2782> and the bottom
[05:09] <speel> odd
[05:09] <speedy2782> word
[05:09] <hypa7ia> BiteMeBill: it's the default one :-/
[05:09] <speedy2782> but it is speedy
[05:09] <speedy2782> everything I go through with linux gets "odd"
[05:09] <speel> lol
[05:09] <speedy2782> it took me four days to config wifi
[05:10] <speedy2782> this will take the rest of the night is my guess
[05:10] <speedy2782> any ideas on how to get it to stop
[05:10] <gratuit> speedy2782: ever consider a name change?
[05:10] <speedy2782> cause I am "slow:
[05:10] <BiteMeBill> hypa7ia: whats the default theme?  Mine imported most of the setting I had from warty.
[05:11] <hypa7ia> BiteMeBill: it's the "human" theme
[05:11] <hypa7ia> same as in warty... cept for this change
[05:11] <BiteMeBill> hypa7ia: Oh the browns.  LOL
[05:11] <hypa7ia> i mean, i know i can change the theme, but it's problematic as the default
[05:11] <ironwolf> did firewire break in latest hoary kernel? or update?  If not, is it named differently than /dev/sda1 ... etc. ?
[05:11] <hypa7ia> lol, yeah, i like them actually :-)
[05:12] <rkn> So much for ubuntu Just Working.  gnome went nuts afterI installed gconf.
[05:12] <mackid> ok, i installed libdvdcss2, and gxine.  FBI warning, then menu, but the menu is all distorted
[05:12] <mackid> the video is.. sound seems to work, ok, though
[05:12] <gratuit> is there a bot that answers questions in here?
[05:12] <BiteMeBill> hypa7ia: I thought the 'Lush' theme is pretty nice.
[05:12] <Dethread> no
[05:12] <mackid> can anyone help me get this to work?
[05:12] <ian__> speedy2782: are you using metacity as a windowmanager?
[05:12] <hone> mackid: try xine-ui?
[05:13] <hypa7ia> oh weird.... BiteMeBill: i just changed out of human and back to it... and i have my selection colours back
[05:13] <BiteMeBill> hypa7ia: Did you happen to custom your old one?
[05:13] <SiRrUs> good evening fellows
[05:13] <BiteMeBill> Evening SiRrUs
[05:13] <mackid> hone: i get a bunch of libmpeg2: stream not demultiplexed ? in the terminal where i opened it
[05:14] <rkn> Well, this silly thing doesn't seem to be any better than debian/testing.
[05:14] <hone> mackid: hmm
[05:14] <hone> mackid: seen that error before
[05:14] <mackid> hone: have you?  how do i fix it?
[05:14] <hypa7ia> BiteMeBill: not at all
[05:14] <SiRrUs> rkn what are you using?
[05:14] <hone> mackid: trying to remember hold on
[05:14] <mackid> hone: ok
[05:14] <hone> mackid: you try xine-ui?
[05:14] <speedy2782> How do I play .wmv in ubuntu?
[05:14] <hone> mackid: I assume it's hte same
[05:15] <BiteMeBill> hypa7ia: hmm no idea..  But atleast you got them back right?
[05:15] <ian__> speedy2782: see my Q?
[05:15] <speel> speedy2782, well the way i got wmv to work was i downloaded gxine
[05:15] <msh_> speedy2782: speedy2782
[05:15] <speedy2782> I am not sure
[05:15] <mackid> hone: yeah
[05:15] <msh_> sudo apt-get w32codecs
[05:15] <mackid> hone: join #flood
[05:16] <gobeavs> with BASH scripting, does anyone know the command to only output a certain field of a file?
[05:16] <gobeavs> It might be with grep
[05:16] <speel> then w32 codecs dident work for me
[05:16] <ian__> speedy2782: ps -A | grep metacity
[05:16] <gobeavs> like with the fstab, only the 2nd column?
[05:16] <msh_> wprks fine for me
[05:16] <msh_> i just open it up in totem
[05:16] <HrdwrBoB> gobeavs: awk '{print $2}'
[05:16] <HrdwrBoB> for example
[05:17] <speedy2782> gobeavs...as in OSU beavers?
[05:17] <gobeavs> yep
[05:17] <gobeavs> go beavs :D
[05:17] <speedy2782> OREGONSTATE IN THE HOUSE!!
[05:17] <speedy2782> Current or Alum?
[05:17] <gobeavs> ok hrdwrBob..thx for the help...gonna try that
[05:17] <gobeavs> lol
[05:17] <gobeavs> neither
[05:17] <speel> hey are there any developers in here of any projects?
[05:17] <gobeavs> sorry :(
[05:17] <speedy2782> oh,
[05:17] <speedy2782> tits ok
[05:17] <gobeavs> my dad went there though
[05:17] <gobeavs> you?
[05:17] <ian__> speel: any projects at all..? :)
[05:17] <speel> any
[05:17] <ian__> yes...
[05:17] <speedy2782> super sr. or as I put it "2nd half of my sr. year"
[05:18] <hone> mackid: I have no idea
[05:18] <hone> mackid: checking google
[05:18] <speel> like what if you dont mind me asking
[05:18] <ian__> http://linuxadvocate.org/projects/
[05:18] <mackid> hone: join flood, i got an interesting error
[05:18] <mackid> #flood, that is
[05:19] <speel> whoa thats some sweet stuff
[05:19] <speedy2782> ian_: is this ps -A | grep metacity for my windows maximizing problem?
[05:19] <ian__> speedy2782: yes to figure out whether you are using metacity or not
[05:19] <gobeavs> speedy: cool....ya, its on my list of possible colleges...I want to go into engineering or CS
[05:20] <ian__> speel: why do you ask?
[05:20] <speedy2782> root@laptop:/home/benjamin # ps -A | grep metacity 17282 ?        00:00:28 metacity
[05:20] <speedy2782> still won't play .wmv
[05:20] <speedy2782> what next
[05:20] <mbjones> I upgraded from Fedora Core 3 to Ubuntu 5, and I had /home as a separate partition. During bootup I am getting an error, saying that the ext3 filesystem has unsupported features, and to upgrade e2fsck. Can anyone help me?
[05:20] <speel> well beacause i never talked to any one who developed anything =p and id like to dip my fingers in some programming
[05:21] <ian__> speel: perhaps you just didn't know you were talking to developers ;)
[05:21] <speedy2782> after dl codecs what step do I take
[05:21] <speel> most likely
[05:21] <speel> lol
[05:21] <gobeavs> does anyone know of an app that can convert files from .mp3 to .wav? More than one at a time though
[05:21] <aule> i am dumb, so i forgot, what prog do i use to get programs?
[05:21] <gobeavs> I have a lot to convert
[05:21] <gobeavs> apt-get
[05:21] <gobeavs> or synaptic
[05:21] <ian__> speel: this room probably has at least 50 :)
[05:22] <aule> where can i find it
[05:22] <jsgotangco> hmm
[05:22] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:22] <tritium> aule, yuo may prefer synaptic, since it has a GUI
[05:22] <speel> lol they must be afk or somthing
[05:22] <gobeavs> system>administration
[05:22] <tritium> aule, are you using Hoary?
[05:22] <gobeavs> aule: Sorry, thats in Hoary, dont know about warty
[05:22] <aule> no trit, im warty
[05:22] <speel> what language did you program thoes programs in?
[05:22] <ian__> aule: Computer / System Configuration / Synaptic
[05:22] <mbjones> I upgraded from Fedora Core 3 to Ubuntu 5, and I had /home as a separate partition. During bootup I am getting an error, saying that the ext3 filesystem has unsupported features, and to upgrade e2fsck. Can anyone help me?
[05:23] <ian__> speel: C
[05:23] <aule> ty ian__
[05:23] <mackid> mbjones, you just said that 3 minutes ago
[05:23] <mbjones> mackid, I'm well aware
[05:23] <mbjones> I also need my /home directory to do _anything_
[05:23] <speedy2782> So, What do I need to do to get .wmv to play. xzine?
[05:23] <jamin_> Do you need YaBoot to go into ubuntu from osx?
[05:23] <mackid> mbjones, you should wait longer before repeating yourself
[05:23] <speel> ah C :D i baught 2 beginner books to C and they have just been collecting dust
[05:24] <mbjones> mackid, ok, thanks for the lecture
[05:24] <jsgotangco> lol i forgot i still have backports in this machine
[05:24] <ian__> speel: you need a project to motivate you
[05:24] <jsgotangco> i gotta fix that
[05:24] <cybermagellan> Could anyone educate me on how to install the NVIDIA Drivers?
[05:24] <speedy2782> speel: a good project is taking me under your wing and catching me up to your speed
[05:25] <speel> lol
[05:25] <speedy2782> so, are you up for a challenge
[05:25] <speedy2782> .wmv on ubuntu
[05:25] <speedy2782> yeah baby!
[05:25] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:26] <jsgotangco> is it worth it?
[05:26] <ian__> porn is the great motivator
[05:26] <gobeavs> .wmv on ubuntu...mplayer works wonders
[05:26] <jsgotangco> doesnt linspire have legal codecs for that
[05:26] <Ad|Astra> xine might work as well
[05:26] <Ad|Astra> or gxine
[05:26] <BiteMeBill> .wmv plays fine in xine here.
[05:26] <jsgotangco> ubuntu-calendar is a great motivator
[05:26] <ells> is anyone having any issues with xmms
[05:26] <tyler> Has anyone got 32codecs working with hoary?
[05:27] <speel> nope what whats wrong ells?
[05:27] <SiRrUs> yep
[05:27] <speedy2782> I havent
[05:27] <tritium> cybermagellan, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx, and after that, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:27] <ells> it wont literally play.
[05:27] <tritium> .wmv plays fine here too
[05:27] <jsgotangco> ells: hoary?
[05:27] <ells> speel: it locks up when a file is clicked to play
[05:27] <SiRrUs> tyler yes
[05:27] <tyler> What was your secret Sirus?
[05:27] <ells> tritium: mike what is up. jsgotangco: hoary
[05:27] <tritium> ells, hola
[05:27] <jsgotangco> ells: change output from oss to esound
[05:28] <speel> ells, well run xmms from a terminal and when it locks up check the srror it says in the term
[05:28] <ells> tritium: you too, projects all finish
[05:28] <SiRrUs> no secret just installed it it worked fine
[05:28] <ells> speel, no error, just locks up
[05:28] <ells> jsogotangco, how so
[05:28] <tritium> ells, congrats.  No progress on my research/dissertation here ;)
[05:28] <cowbud> ells: did you look at what your output plugin is set to?
[05:28] <jsgotangco> ells: options->preferences
[05:28] <jsgotangco> output sound: esound
[05:28] <ells> tritium: mike you will get it done
[05:28] <jsgotangco> xmms locks up with oss
[05:28] <ells> jsgotangco: cool
[05:29] <tritium> ells, thanks
[05:29] <ian__> anyone get APM setup on a T23 or similar laptop?
[05:29] <ells> tritium: yeap no problem
[05:29] <aule> where is the best place to find ubuntu binarys for download?
[05:29] <tritium> ian__, is that too old to use acpi with?
[05:29] <ian__> tritium: yeah
[05:29] <tritium> aule, easiest way is to setup the ubuntu repositories, and just use synaptic or apt
[05:30] <zukeft> anybody willing to dedicate a bit of time to help me with GRUB?
[05:30] <ells> jsgotangco; in xmms or on ubuntu prefs
[05:30] <aule> tritium: there is not alot there
[05:30] <tyler> OH, well wehere did you find the codecs?
[05:30] <jgotangco_lunch> ells: in xmms
[05:30] <tritium> aule, this is a good guide for you: http://ubuntuguide.org/.  You should look at the extra repositories section.
[05:30] <ells> jsgotangco; cool, got it
[05:30] <tyler> sorry, SiRuS where did you dind the codecs
[05:31] <SiRrUs> tyler you using hoary or warty?
[05:31] <ells> jgotangco_lunch, still locks up
[05:31] <tyler> What's up zukeft?
[05:31] <jgotangco_lunch> hrmmm
[05:31] <tyler> HSiRus, hoary
[05:31] <tyler> Just upgraded
[05:31] <ells> jgotangco_lunch, trying to play mp4 and have all plugins I think
[05:31] <SiRrUs> then just uodate your repositories
[05:31] <zukeft> well... i just installed Ubuntu (i'm a total amateur when it comes to Linux)
[05:31] <tyler> OKay, I'll try again
[05:32] <tyler> zukeft, check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:32] <jgotangco_lunch> ells: i have no idea then whats wrong, most people got to fix their xmms by changing the output to esound
[05:32] <SiRrUs> synaptic manager >>> settings>>>repositories
[05:32] <tyler> There is a section on GRUB]
[05:32] <zukeft> ok, thanks =]
[05:32] <jgotangco_lunch> ells: thats in hoary
[05:32] <jgotangco_lunch> ill brb
[05:32] <ells> jgotangco_lunch, I am special
[05:32] <jgotangco_lunch> lol
[05:32] <tyler> np
[05:33] <tyler> SiRuS, which reposititory should I have?
[05:33] <tyler> wait, I'm an idiot, they are right here'
[05:34] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:34] <tyler> I was reading something about legal issues so I thought they had to remove it from their repositores'
[05:34] <ells> xmms for me is not very good
[05:34] <ells> it has such an issue for me playing mp3, and mp4
[05:35] <speedy2782> Ian_: That was easy
[05:35] <speedy2782> why don't people remind newbs earlier of that stuff
[05:35] <SiRrUs> ells did you add all the plugins
[05:35] <aule> whats a good paste site?
[05:35] <ells> SiRrUs, fairly certain
[05:35] <tyler> Oo, XMMS has plugins?
[05:35] <speedy2782> SiRrUs: how do you install .wmv
[05:35] <speel> aule, pastebin
[05:35] <tyler> yeah, I wondered that
[05:36] <keyhack> I upgraded Linux, my /home partition was a separate partition. Now during bootup, it complains that my /home partition's ext3 has unsupported features, and to upgrade e2fsck. What can I do about this?
[05:36] <tyler> can't play .wmvs either
[05:36] <ells> anyone know of another xmms type program to use
[05:36] <aule> ty speel
[05:36] <SiRrUs> w32codecs will play wmvs
[05:36] <tyler> oh cool
[05:36] <speedy2782> I downloaded those
[05:36] <tyler>  Their just installing now
[05:36] <ironwolf> what do I modprobe in 2.6.10-27 on hoary to see a firewire/ieee1394 hard drive?
[05:37] <speel> aule, np
[05:37] <DarthFrog> ironwolf: It should be auto-detected.
[05:38] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how do i mount a .iso file
[05:38] <ironwolf> DarthFrog: I know it *should* but inotify and dnotify are off in 2.6.10-27 and it's not  If you have one mounted and you msg me your lsmod ?
[05:38] <tyler> Do I need to restart after the codecs have installed?
[05:38] <SiRrUs> tyler shouldnt need to
[05:38] <speel> tyler, you never have to restart when installing software on linux :P only when you recompile a kernel but thats it
[05:39] <tyler> Mm, okay. Strange, still cant play my mp3 in totem. It launches and then promptly closes diwn
[05:40] <aule> um, i cannot set my homepage in firefox
[05:40] <aule> why?
[05:40] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how do i mount a .iso file
[05:40] <aule> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: u need to burn image
[05:40] <unifi> I dont think you can mount an iso
[05:40] <unperson> I was looking over something I wrote about Ubuntu, and I'm wondering, besides the default package set, what do you see as the big differences between runnign Ubuntu and Debian testing?
[05:40] <tyler> you can mount it using the nautilus brun prog
[05:40] <tritium> you can mount an iso
[05:41] <ells> tritium: hey mike I uninstalled to install xmms, it wont play even mp3
[05:41] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> there is a way
[05:41] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> i cant figure out the way
[05:41] <hone> tritium: something like mount -t iso9660
[05:41] <evilmegaman> Hi. Do the ATI drivers work well with hoary preview release?
[05:41] <tyler> I think I saw something to that effect while i was fiddlign the other day. Lett me check
[05:42] <speel> unperson, well running ubuntu seems smoother and MUCH easyer to install
[05:42] <tritium> hone, [CX] -sw0rdsavy: yeah, something like that.
[05:42] <meldroc> nvidia problems again.  I got the new nvidia drivers working last night 7167 I think, but after I rebooted, it stopped working.  How do I fix this?
[05:42] <tyler> I wish ubuntu used XfCe
[05:42] <tritium> ells, strange...
[05:42] <crimsun> tyler: there's a u-u thread on it
[05:42] <ells> tritium: tell me bout it
[05:42] <unperson> speel, Yeah, well, ok, the installer is also clearly different.
[05:43] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy>  sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 Uplink01.iso /mnt/tmp
[05:43] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[05:43] <tyler> crimsum, whats u-u?
[05:43] <meldroc> be back in a minute...
[05:43] <tritium> [CX] -sw0rdsavy, you don't need the -t iso9660
[05:43] <tritium> just -o loop
[05:43] <speel> gnite everyone
[05:43] <unperson> tyler, Is there a reason one can't easily just install it with apt-get?
[05:44] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> still no could not find any device /dev/loop#
[05:44] <ells> tritium; when I click play the play symbol appears but it does not start the music
[05:44] <unperson> Ok, so any other big differences between Ubuntu and debian testing besides the installer and default package settings?
[05:44] <tritium> [CX] -sw0rdsavy, can you modprobe loop?
[05:44] <tyler> I don't knowunperson, REally? that would be awesome, is it there
[05:44] <tyler> ?
[05:44] <tyler> Wow, it is!
[05:44] <ells> tritium totem, will play my mp3 if they are double clicked
[05:45] <evilmegaman> does Hoary work good with the ATI drivers?
[05:45] <tyler> I really should browse synaptic ore often
[05:45] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> i did it with no errors
[05:45] <ells> tritium: mike, xmms wont
[05:45] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> ah ha
[05:45] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> thank you tritium
[05:45] <tritium> ells, I haven't used xmms in a long time.  Do you have your output plugin setup correctly?
[05:45] <tritium> [CX] -sw0rdsavy, did that fix it for you?
[05:45] <ells> tritium: I think so, how can I check for certain
[05:46] <ells> tritium: what plays your music
[05:46] <crimsun> tyler: ubuntu-user mailing list
[05:46] <evilmegaman> *cough* does anyone know? about the ati drivers?
[05:46] <tritium> ells, I use rhythmbox
[05:46] <aule> how can i add my user to the group that allows me to use su -
[05:46] <ells> tritium: maybe I will try that
[05:46] <trans_err> evilmegaman: try the wiki-- search for the binary howto
[05:46] <crimsun> evilmegaman: yes, it does. Why?
[05:46] <tyler> OO, okay, How do I sign up?
[05:46] <ironwolf> aule: will sudo -s not work?
[05:46] <tyler> I wait I think I can figure that out :)
[05:46] <tritium> aule, sudo visudo
[05:46] <trans_err> tritium and ells: give amarok a try
[05:46] <crimsun> aule: use sudo instead.
[05:47] <danko123456> Hui.
[05:47] <tyler> you get a addicted to questions in here'
[05:47] <tritium> trans_err, no thanks
[05:47] <evilmegaman> I have an ati. And I need a good linux that isn't fedora :) Ubuntu sounds good
[05:47] <ells> trans_err amarok okay
[05:47] <evilmegaman> Thanks :)
[05:47] <tyler> Ubuntu is excellent
[05:47] <aule> crimsun: and everyone else: i am not a retard, and i can handle accessing my root every once and a while, and i would like to do that by su -
[05:47] <danko123456> I have a question somewhat unrelate to Ubuntu, but I think you will still likely know the answer.
[05:47] <tyler> well, it has its problems but in terms of usability from a very non-linux person I think its excellent. ANd i've learnt more about linux using ubuntu than any other distro
[05:47] <crimsun> aule: then set a root password using sudo -s, like ironwolf asked.
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> aule: sudo is a better way to do it
[05:47] <unperson> evilmegaman, Did you check the ubuntu forums?
[05:47] <tritium> trans_err, I don't want to install KDE just for a music app, especially when I have one that works
[05:48] <clparker> I have no 3d acceleration, ATI card, Hoary Preview, Stuck, please help.
[05:48] <evilmegaman> No, unperson. I just wanted to know if they worked :)
[05:48] <DarthFrog> aule: Then all you have to do is open up a root terminal and give root a password.
[05:48] <clparker> *
[05:48] <aule> ty darthfrog
[05:48] <aule> thatone worked best
[05:48] <aule> :p
[05:48] <evilmegaman> unperson, I just happened to be on irc and said what the heck
[05:48] <evilmegaman> :)
[05:48] <danko123456> I was here quite a few weeks ago, and I found out about some website where you paste in your text, instead of putting a long question to the chatroom...
[05:48] <aule> um, any help on the setting homepage prob i had?
[05:48] <danko123456> I wanna know what its called...
[05:48] <meldroc> ha!  got nvidia 7167 working again!  reinstalled and things worked.  why would it stop working after a reboot?
[05:48] <DarthFrog> aule: you're welcome.
[05:48] <aule> pastebin.com
[05:49] <danko123456> right, thanks a lot.
[05:49] <aule> np
[05:49] <danko123456> Aule!!
[05:49] <clparker> ATI drivers, in Hoary no Good?
[05:49] <unperson> evilmegaman, Yeah, I don't have ATI.  But there's a good bet you can find out all about it on the forums.
[05:49] <aule> um, i know you from solidirc?
[05:49] <danko123456> Me?
[05:49] <aule> ya, or were you just completing your thankyou?
[05:49] <crimsun> meldroc: did you run update && upgrade at all yesterday?
[05:49] <danko123456> I just said thanks, Aule!!
[05:49] <aule> ok
[05:49] <aule> np
[05:49] <danko123456> yeah
[05:50] <ironwolf> crimsun: do you happen to know what I need to modprobe in hoary 2.6.10-27 to see the ieee1394 hard drive that worked just before the upgrade?
[05:50] <crimsun> meldroc: you _really_ ought to install apt-listchanges
[05:50] <meldroc> trying to think.  i installed lots of new stuff like foobillard & such, I don't think I installed anything directly X, nvidia or kernel related
[05:50] <clparker> ATI 9600 and no 3d acceleration
[05:50] <tritium> ironwolf, try ieee1394
[05:50] <meldroc> crimsun - what does apt-listchanges do?
[05:50] <crimsun> meldroc: an update of linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) went in yesterday
[05:51] <crimsun> meldroc: it lists changes to updated packages before they're installed
[05:51] <meldroc> that might explain things...
[05:51] <crimsun> meldroc: same recommendation for apt-listbugs
[05:51] <meldroc> welll, no harm done, i reinstalled & my system's happy again for the moment.
[05:51] <unperson> evilmegaman, See for example http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3567
[05:51] <tritium> crimsun, is apt-listbugs tied into bugzilla now?
[05:52] <tritium> (it wasn't previously)
[05:52] <crimsun> ironwolf: besides 'ieee1394'?
[05:52] <ironwolf> tritium: that didn't work.  It sees the ipod I have, but can't see anything off the ieee1394 ports.
[05:52] <ironwolf> crimsun: yes please. *PLEASE* *thank you*
[05:53] <tritium> ironwolf, not sure.  I have no ieee1394 devices
[05:53] <ironwolf> tritium: sorry, ipod is on USB, hard drive is on ieee1394
[05:53] <ells> trans_err,how do you config amarok
[05:54] <bdb> anyone:  i've been using suse for a while now.  Im looking for something else.  what make ubuntu cool?
[05:54] <danko123456> It works.
[05:54] <danko123456> :))
[05:54] <ironwolf> crimsun: how to I lsusb for the ieee1394 bus? or how do I find what device it is now? Maybe that's the right question.
[05:55] <bdb> good enough
[05:55] <danko123456> I mean...
[05:55] <danko123456> Dont take my word for it...
[05:55] <danko123456> This is the first Linux I used.
[05:55] <ironwolf> bdb: it "just works" mostly. :) but it's getting better all the time.
[05:55] <britt_radiofree> any spanish/english keyboard users around?
[05:55] <bdb> ironwolf: its a version of debian right?
[05:56] <greenfly> jdub: sorry I missed you. if you are around, I'd like to hear more about the UnionFS-like functionality in the ubuntu live cd
[05:56] <ironwolf> bdb: it's based on Debian, but it's a whole different animal.
[05:56] <danko123456> its a hedgehog
[05:56] <danko123456> :))
[05:56] <bdb> ironwolf: how so?
[05:56] <bdb> danko: hedgehog?
[05:56] <ironwolf> bdb: best thing I can tell you is to download the live CD and give it a whirl.
[05:56] <speedy2782> alright
[05:56] <speedy2782> I got the videos
[05:56] <speedy2782> but the sound is choppy
[05:57] <crimsun> tritium: I don't know offhand and haven't checked closely, but it does show bugs open in Ubuntu packages.
[05:57] <ironwolf> bdb: current development is named "hoary the hedgehog" :) So hoary is a hedgehog.
[05:57] <jdub> greenfly: we're using the device mapper to provide overlay
[05:57] <greenfly> jdub: ahh, so it's all in RAM though?
[05:57] <jdub> yes
[05:57] <bdb> bdb:  Ihave been wondering what hoary is.... :)
[05:57] <crimsun> ironwolf: was that module sufficient, or do you still need additional information?
[05:57] <tritium> crimsun, good to know.  Thanks
[05:57] <greenfly> jdub: how does it manage persistence?
[05:57] <ironwolf> crimsun: that module didn't do it.  I need more information.
[05:57] <danko123456> haha
[05:57] <jdub> it doesn't atm, but can be targeted to another block device
[05:58] <danko123456> I just said that cause he said its a whole diff animal.
[05:58] <bdb> ironwolf: : I have been wondering what hoary is.... :)  wups
[05:58] <speedy2782> alright
[05:58] <jdub> greenfly: mdz came up with casper, our new multi-arch livecd platform, and the device mapper overlay solution
[05:58] <bdb> danko: what kind of animal is debian?
[05:58] <greenfly> jdub: interesting... thanks for the info. Last I heard it was based from Morphix, but I also heard that changed recently
[05:58] <bdb> :)
[05:58] <ironwolf> bdb: hoary is current development/preview version of Ubuntu a Debian based distro. :)
[05:58] <jdub> greenfly: significantly different, yes
[05:58] <danko123456> Read their statement.
[05:59] <speedy2782> how do I get hoary and .wmv to work together
[05:59] <danko123456> I dont know...
[05:59] <mdz> greenfly: the Warty live CD was based on Morphix; the Hoary live CD is an original work
[05:59] <danko123456> A sarge anuimal?
[05:59] <kart_> hi:all: is hoary is installble
[05:59] <speedy2782> I dl codecs and the xine player
[05:59] <greenfly> mdz: from scratch or based on?
[05:59] <ironwolf> sarge isn't an animal. :)
[05:59] <danko123456> You can find their statement of intent.
[05:59] <mdz> greenfly: "original" :-)
[05:59] <bdb> ironwolf:  I know that debian has longer release cycles.  since its dropping many of its architectures.. do you think the release cycles will be shorter?
[05:59] <danko123456> On their website...
[05:59] <ironwolf> kart_: there are preview CD's you can download and test yes.
[05:59] <danko123456> that might tell you something.
[05:59] <danko123456> www.ubuntulinux.org
[05:59] <greenfly> heh
[06:00] <danko123456> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/
[06:00] <crimsun> ironwolf: do you have the 'ohci1394' and 'raw1394' modules loaded?
[06:00] <danko123456> there
[06:00] <ironwolf> bdb: www.ubuntu.com or www.ubuntulinux.com will help you, but Ubuntu has a release every 6 months.
[06:00] <greenfly> I've been so busy I haven't had a chance to download and try the ubuntu live CD
[06:00] <greenfly> sounds like something I should check out :)
[06:00] <kart_> ironwolf: I've downloaded it; Initially shows like it is installable !
[06:00] <kart_> ironwolf: but it's live
[06:00] <danko123456> I know ppl have Hoary installed on their computers...
[06:00] <mdz> greenfly: the Hoary cycle was spent creating the basis for it; for the next release I hope to implement some fancy features
[06:00] <danko123456> I dont know if that pertains...
[06:01] <danko123456> or how to do it for that matter.
[06:01] <bdb> all:  at my college a sorioty has shirts that say "Ubuntu"  I doubt they are talking about linux though...
[06:01] <jcsston> hi, to setup a web server and ssh server, is there anything I need to do on a Ubuntu custom install besides installing the apache and openssh packages? both services are running, but I cannot connect to them from another system on the network
[06:01] <greenfly> mdz: so you are the primary architect for it?
[06:01] <ironwolf> kart_: I installed from array-4 and it worked great, there is A) live CD and B) install CD, they are different iso's.
[06:01] <keyhack> Did anyone have problems upgrading their FC3 partitions to Ubuntu?
[06:01] <mdz> greenfly: yes
[06:01] <greenfly> mdz: is it okay if I /msg you? just something quick
[06:02] <mdz> greenfly: why /msg?  if it's about the technical aspects of the live CD design, feel free to ask on #ubuntu-devel
[06:02] <greenfly> it's not :)
[06:02] <ironwolf> crimsun: raw1394 wasn't loaded, I modprobed it, the other was loaded, still isn't finding it.
[06:02] <mdz> greenfly: er, ok?
[06:02] <danko123456> later guys.
[06:03] <bdb> thanks for your help
[06:03] <bdb> bye
[06:03] <ironwolf> crimsun: brb... need to reboot.
[06:04] <regeya_> iron....dang.
[06:04] <regeya_> I seem to remember reading directions on ubuntuforums on getting raw1394 to work.  it's not automagic...yet.
[06:04] <kart_> ironwolf: hmm OK
[06:05] <jblack> What on earth? crontab -e just brought up nano instead of vim. I feel downright insulted!
[06:05] <aule> ok, where do i look for new programs that i downloaded after i downloaded them
[06:05] <aule> ?
[06:06] <ian__> aule: with synaptic?
[06:06] <aule> yes
[06:06] <aule> they are installed and all
[06:06] <aule> i just need to find them
[06:06] <barker> good question i installed tux racer with synaptic and it is nowhere
[06:07] <ian__> programs don't show up in the menu right away for some reason
[06:07] <aule> swelly: its "somewhere"
[06:07] <aule> grr
[06:07] <tyler> Hey all, ANyone usin XfCe?
[06:07] <aule> stupid nick completer
[06:07] <aule> anyway
[06:07] <barker> reboot possibly?
[06:07] <swelly> hehe
[06:07] <aule> where would i look ian?
[06:07] <ian__> I think there's a command you can run to refresh the menu
[06:07] <ian__> barker: no no, log out/in is always enough
[06:07] <aule> anyone know that command?
[06:07] <ian__> barker: reboot = never :)
[06:07] <barker> ok ty
[06:08] <barker> anyone here have gnu backgammon?
[06:08] <Myrtti> if there is no quicklauncher for it, the best way of searching it is "run application"
[06:08] <Myrtti> or typing it to the terminal
[06:08] <Ad|Astra> aule, they're in /usr/bin
[06:08] <aule> Ad|Astra: how can i put it in main menu?
[06:08] <Myrtti> 'cause for instance, tuxracer doesn't have a quicklauncher
[06:08] <tyler> barker, how did you customize it? It seems devoid of options to change it. WHat's more I installed all the goodies and everything but it seems to only be bare minimum
[06:08] <Myrtti> aule: by making a .desktop file for it
[06:09] <Ad|Astra> aule right click on the menu and Add New item
[06:09] <aule> <- is noob, so thats a big "huh?"
[06:09] <greenfly> so "Casper" is part of the Linux kernel?
[06:09] <aule> oh
[06:09] <aule> ok
[06:09] <Ad|Astra> aule, from the menu editor
[06:09] <FR500> what menu editor
[06:09] <ironwolf> crimsun: thank you. it's working now.
[06:09] <aule> i second FR500
[06:09] <aule> what menu editor?
[06:09] <Ad|Astra> gnome or kde
[06:09] <ironwolf> crimsun: if your ever in Northern CA, I owe you a beer. :)
[06:09] <aule> gnome
[06:10] <barker> sorry tyler i haven't customized anything im here from fedora 3 and im really impressed so far with hoary
[06:10] <FR500> Ad|Astra, something i need to install
[06:10] <tyler> yeah, im using hoary, its quite good. Snaptic is beautiful.
[06:10] <tyler> but I cant access it on xFcE
[06:10] <crimsun> ironwolf: excellent :-)
[06:10] <FR500> tyler, still apt-get available
[06:10] <Ad|Astra> aule give me a sec im in kde
[06:10] <crimsun> tyler: gksudo synaptic
[06:11] <FR500> Ad|Astra, there is no menu editor in gnome
[06:11] <aule> ok
[06:11] <FR500> before i used to use nautilus applicattions:/// to edit, now doesnt work anymore
[06:11] <crimsun> FR500: right, that code was removed.
[06:11] <Myrtti> locate *.desktop
[06:11] <FR500> hmmm
[06:11] <Myrtti> find where those are hidden
[06:12] <g_> which one is a good mp3 player for ubuntu
[06:12] <FR500> g_, beep
[06:12] <g_> thank you
[06:12] <Myrtti> then go to that directory, open up a .desktop file with sudo nano, change it for the application in need, and remember to save it with a different filename
[06:12] <Myrtti> g_: rhythmbox is nice
[06:12] <Myrtti> or XMMS
[06:12] <Myrtti> XMMS, if you're used to Winamp
[06:12] <FR500> Myrtti, so the add launcher and that stuff options are unavailable now?
[06:12] <IRCDragon> Hey ppl, do you know any App that opens .CDR (Corel DRAW) files on Linux? (I'm currently using Ubuntu Hoary Preview Release)
[06:12] <crimsun> or beep-media-player or muine or wxvlc or totem or mplayer or ...
[06:12] <Myrtti> FR500: I've never found it
[06:13] <mdblitz1> is beep better then xmms?
[06:13] <FR500> g_, beep is more useable for noobs
[06:13] <Myrtti> FR500: not that I've checked recently
[06:13] <FR500> more user friendly too
[06:13] <dead|shell> aule you ready
[06:13] <dead|shell> it's Ad|Astra
[06:13] <crimsun> FR500: I don't think it has anything to do with "noobs" :-)
[06:13] <WW> FR500 (and anyone else): There is a thread in the forum with a python program for editing the menu in hoary.  I'm not sure where it is, but the username of the contributor is punkass.
[06:13] <hone> there's rhythmbox?
[06:13] <Myrtti> hone: sure
[06:14] <FR500> WW, thanks
[06:14] <FR500> crimsun, well......right
[06:14] <FR500> sorry
[06:14] <FR500> WW, where is the forum :p
[06:14] <Myrtti> well, the cold fact is that no newbie goes installing stuff that isn't available as an apt-package in synaptic or apt
[06:14] <hone> does anyone know how ot joi nmultiple channels on start?
[06:14] <WW> FR500: ubuntuforums.org
[06:15] <Myrtti> hone: depends on your client
[06:15] <FR500> Myrtti, beep is in apt
[06:15] <hone> Myrtti: xchat?
[06:15] <Myrtti> FR500: about that menu editor
[06:15] <FR500> ok
[06:15] <hone> brb
[06:15] <Myrtti> hone: can't help you with that, I'm on irssi
[06:15] <FR500> crimsun, any clues on why was that erased?
[06:16] <Myrtti> ok, I'm off. School starts in an hour.
[06:16] <dead|shell> aule you still here
[06:16] <aule> yes
[06:16] <aule> sorry
[06:16] <aule> i found the games folder
[06:16] <aule> :p
[06:16] <dead|shell> im in gnome now
[06:16] <aule> i was playing black box
[06:16] <barker> anyone here have no sound? I've gone the alsamixer route any ideas?
[06:16] <aule> i figured it out
[06:16] <dead|shell> what do you want to add
[06:16] <aule> im sorry
[06:16] <aule> :/
[06:16] <dead|shell> np :)
[06:16] <aule> i figured out rtclk->add to this menu
[06:16] <aule> or something like that
[06:17] <dead|shell> easy enough eh?
[06:17] <aule> ya
[06:17] <stuNNed_> is there a way to hide boot messages at boot time?
[06:17] <WW> FR500: Here it is: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19673
[06:18] <dead|shell> barker check all the sound apps
[06:20] <kart_> hi all: I'm translating Ubuntu live CD (right now warty and after it , hoary)
[06:20] <homer2> is there any way I can prevent users from editing/removing their ~/.bash_history file
[06:20] <FR500> WW, thanks, still need a bit of work but it's nice
[06:20] <gobeavs> anyone know of a good way to convert a lot of files from mp3 to wav?
[06:21] <WW> gobeavs: Maybe sox?
[06:22] <gobeavs> WW: thx, I'll look into it
[06:23] <gobeavs> I am trying to write my own BASH script using lame, but its not going to well :-D
[06:24] <db__> anyone tell me how id install wine on 5.04 '/ .. tried using synaptic.. nothing happend
[06:24] <ian__> kart_: cool.  thank you :)  what language?
[06:24] <aule> what is the command that refreshes the desktop
[06:24] <aule> to delete blast holes
[06:24] <aule> :p
[06:25] <kart_> all:
[06:25] <zerovertex> i just installed ubuntu 5 preview on my pc (i already have it on my powerbook) but wtf is the default root pass? on my powerbook I had to drop into single user mode and reset it.
[06:25] <kart_> ian__: Gujarati Language
[06:25] <eruin> I hope this loooong kernel compile is getting me a kernel capable of setting dma on my via-connected sata drives :O
[06:25] <zerovertex> is there a easier way?
[06:25] <db__> zero
[06:25] <db__> type passwd root
[06:25] <eruin> zerovertex: there is no root pass
[06:25] <db__> or sudo passwd root
[06:25] <db__> need to add a pass
[06:26] <eruin> zerovertex: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:26] <ells> is there a plugin to play mp3 on ubuntu
[06:26] <db__> had same confusing
[06:26] <Brend> Hm. So when I ran apt-get dist-upgrade, an interesting message scrolled by
[06:26] <zerovertex> ah... thanks
[06:26] <db__> confusion
[06:26] <kart_> ian__: I want to know,When Hoary installable will be available..
[06:26] <Brend> It said (paraphrasing), "Warning: Your CPU does not support power saving mode"
[06:26] <gobeavs> sox is like Lame, it can do 1 at a time but not multiple at a time
[06:26] <Brend> And then it went ahead and turned it on anyway
[06:26] <Brend> Maybe that's why our server was crashing :)
[06:26] <FR500> WW, wow that editor looks fine, wonders why gnome ppl dont have that
[06:26] <eruin> kart_: seen the topic?
[06:26] <kart_> eruin: sorry
[06:27] <eruin> ;)
[06:27] <db__> wine makes me whine
[06:27] <eruin> FR500: ?
[06:27] <ells> is there a plugin to play mp3 on ubuntu
[06:27] <eruin> ells: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:28] <ells> eruin: I can the eg run and play, but no music sounds
[06:28] <ells> eq
[06:28] <db__> why dont they include mp3/mpeg support in the release '
[06:28] <gobeavs> copyright issues
[06:28] <ells> db__I thought so
[06:28] <db__> eye see
[06:28] <ells> wont play any mp3 or 4
[06:28] <ells> it did in warty
[06:29] <ells> if I double click it will play in totem
[06:29] <regeya_> I thought of a convoluted shellscript way of converting folders of mp3s to wavs, but it choked on my own collection. :-}
[06:29] <ells> not xmms, amarok, none of the other ones
[06:29] <WW> FR500: I think it's only a few days old.  punkass started that thread on March 13.
[06:29] <FR500> eruin, menu editor for gnome
[06:30] <FR500> WW, i'll mess around with it (altought i don't know programming at all)
[06:30] <eruin> the whole menu system is retarded imo
[06:30] <ells> anybody know if I will need something special to get mp3 to play
[06:30] <FR500> eruin, the tool helps anyway
[06:30] <regeya_> ells: depends on what you want for a player.  if you're using rhythmbox, you need the mad gstreamer plugin
[06:31] <ells> i will check that out
[06:31] <gobeavs> regeya - thats what I am trying to do, but having probs :(
[06:31] <db__> anyone know where i can edit the toolbars 'autohide' variables '/ ... takes too long to wait for when u put ure mouse over it.. and only hides 3/4
[06:31] <eruin> which is described http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:31] <odyssey> hi is anyone else having dvd playback issues in hoary? by issues i mean choppiness
[06:31] <gobeavs> I only need to convert about 30 songs
[06:32] <britt_radiofree> anyone know how to set a hotkey to the keyboard-switcher applet?
[06:32] <db__> there isnt a 5.04 walkthrought yet is there '/
[06:33] <db__> -t
[06:33] <zerovertex> how do I get grub to boot in single user mode?
[06:34] <geneo93> zerovertex:  i think you need autologin
[06:35] <crimsun> zerovertex: select the rescue mode
[06:35] <crimsun> zerovertex: or edit the grub command line and append "single" to the end
[06:35] <eruin> docbook stuff on kernel packaging is pissing me off
[06:35] <eruin> :P
[06:35] <aule> where can i download SNES roms?
[06:36] <FR500> aule you are gonna be banned for that
[06:36] <aule> ooh
[06:36] <aule> sorry
[06:36] <aule> it was in
[06:36] <eruin> why?
[06:36] <Anubis> does your wheel mouse scroll pages in your browsers?
[06:37] <Anubis> mine does not?
[06:37] <regeya_> I don't think this is the most efficient way to batch convert MP3s to WAV, but here goes:  ls *.mp3 | xargs -i sh -c "echo {} | sed s/.mp3//g | xargs -i% sox %.mp3 %.wav"
[06:37] <zerovertex> thanks
[06:37] <db__> WISH I COULD LISTEN TO MUSIC dfhjfbdsjaknfalndfljg
[06:37] <eruin> downloading snes roms is perfectly legal where I'm at
[06:37] <FR500> eruin, where are you at?
[06:37] <jgotangco_lunch> same here
[06:37] <jgotangco_lunch> hehe
[06:37] <eruin> as long as you already own them that is
[06:37] <eruin> norway
[06:37] <jgotangco_lunch> well its not like that here
[06:37] <jgotangco_lunch> everything here is kinda pirated
[06:37] <eruin> :P
[06:38] <jgotangco_lunch> i intend to resist the temptation
[06:38] <db__> guys so theres no way to listen to mp3s in 5.04 '/
[06:38] <eruin> everything I use is free anyway :)
[06:38] <jgotangco_lunch> even though we have extremely weak ip laws
[06:38] <eruin> db__: I listen to mp3s just fine
[06:38] <jgotangco_lunch> same here
[06:38] <db__> how '/
[06:38] <eruin> db__: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats check out the wiki already............
[06:38] <db__> ive installed everything i can find related to mp3s
[06:38] <geneo93> yeah so do i
[06:38] <jgotangco_lunch> did you upgrade or fresh install
[06:39] <jgotangco_lunch> does your player crash or freeze?
[06:39] <db__> why cant they just go. do this this and this.. instead of pages of how do it.. annoying
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> god, deleting files in nautilus is painfully slow.
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> someone needs to import the beos tracker to linux.
[06:39] <regeya_> you think deleting files in nautilus is painfully slow, try to delete a few thousand files in Finder
[06:39] <eruin> db__: to avoid having to tell every single user the same thing?
[06:39] <eruin> just a _thought_
[06:40] <db__> i fall asleep half way thru the instructions
[06:40] <geneo93> BROKEN_LADDER:  good idea why dont you do that
[06:40] <regeya_> db__: so you're saying you're too lazy to read, eh?  must...resist...temptation...to...feed...
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't have the time, nor is that my field.
[06:40] <geneo93> BROKEN_LADDER:  i'm in beshare ATM
[06:40] <eruin> db__: I'd just give up if I couldnt get through those simple instructions :P
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> i should write music, because that's what i enjoy and am good at.
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh neat.
[06:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> tell me why nautilus is so slow and sucky when it has so little to do?
[06:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> all it has to do is display file icons and such.
[06:41] <geneo93> i have the new unizone in ubuntu working just fine
[06:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> tracker is all of, what...under a meg of source?
[06:41] <Zotnix> BROKEN_LADDER, I don't know... I don't have a problem with Nautilus.
[06:41] <eruin> BROKEN_LADDER: because it does lots of things you don't wait it to do too :P
[06:41] <regeya_> BROKEN_LADDER: it was originally written by people with 0% UNIX experience (just a guess)
[06:41] <db__> just cbf'd reading pages everytime i wanna install something
[06:42] <aule> how do i compile a program in ubuntu?
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> nautilus is just slow.
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not a bad program.
[06:42] <jsgotangco> how many files are talking about anyway
[06:42] <Zotnix> I don't find it slow at all.
[06:42] <regeya_> BROKEN_LADDER: it's not just nautilus that's slow.
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> aule: configure it and run checkinstall -y, choose debian package.
[06:42] <Zotnix> I just loaded my home directory in under 5 seconds.
[06:42] <aule> ok
[06:42] <regeya_> ooh, under 5 seconds!
[06:42] <regeya_> welcome to 1993.
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> aule:  or you can use apt-get install with source option.  see man apt-get
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> regeya_:  lol
[06:42] <geneo93> Zotnix:  have you ever used beos
[06:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> geneo93:  i doubt he has if he said something like that.
[06:43] <Zotnix> regeya_, I'm using an older computer too.
[06:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos could load a directory of hundreds of files in seconds, even on an old 400mhz proc.
[06:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> well..tracker in beos could.
[06:43] <ells> can anyone give me a list of their whole sources, so i can see if my source is the reason my mp3s wont work. I am in hoary
[06:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos was just amazing.
[06:43] <jsgotangco> but already dead
[06:43] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:43] <regeya_> Zotnix: me too, and I recall using much faster FMs on much slower hardware.  even Windows File Manager on a 386SX could spank Nautilus in the speed department.  I am in hoary
[06:44] <regeya_> even Apple is (slowly) abandoning the spatial-browsing concept.  that's telling.
[06:44] <Zotnix> Doesn't Apple used spatial browsing?
[06:44] <Zotnix> It's configurable in either case.
[06:44] <eruin> in case you havent noticed
[06:45] <eruin> the osx file manager sucks
[06:45] <regeya_> sort of.  of course purists say that Apple "messed up" spatial in OS X
[06:45] <regeya_> no joke eruin
[06:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm deleting 176 files in a directory in nautilus, and it's taking literally like a second for every 10-15 files.
[06:45] <ells> can anyone give me a list of their whole sources, so i can see if my source is the reason my mp3s wont work. I am in hoary
[06:45] <regeya_> and I use OS X Finder more than I use anything else.
[06:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> in beos it would have taken a second to do all of them.
[06:45] <regeya_> part of it is the filesystem too, don't forget that
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah. indexed.
[06:46] <regeya_> tracker was sweet
[06:46] <eruin> the filesystem layout also feels weird
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm in reiserfs.  it's indexed.
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i don't think gnome knows anything about that.
[06:46] <Zotnix> eruin, on what?
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> feels weird in what?
[06:46] <crimsun> what mount options?
[06:46] <eruin> lemme reboot
[06:46] <eruin> Zotnix: on osX
[06:46] <crimsun> noatime, etc.?
[06:46] <geneo93> i have kde hee
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> can i make my system index with reiser?
[06:46] <db__> anywhere on irc where ppl will help with ubuntu '/
[06:46] <regeya_> kde = rawk, geneo93
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't apps have to be aware of indexing though?
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> like nautilus.
[06:47] <zerovertex> anyone had any luck converting that openoffice 2.0 beta rpm to a deb with alien?
[06:47] <geneo93> 3.4 here
[06:47] <regeya_> 3.4 here
[06:47] <regeya_> much better than the last release
[06:47] <geneo93> just never got to like gnome
[06:47] <Zotnix> GNOME developers are addressing speed issues, I know that much.
[06:47] <Zotnix> They hope to make 2.12 faster.
[06:47] <regeya_> that's good to hear.
[06:48] <regeya_> I also hear they're working on memory usage issues
[06:48] <Zotnix> Few apps have bounties for lowering memory usage.
[06:48] <Zotnix> Yeah
[06:48] <geneo93> to many old timers working on gnome
[06:48] <Zotnix> It's hard to get new comers.
[06:48] <regeya_> there's no reason why that nice clean feature-free desktop should use more mem than other large DEs
[06:49] <niran> does anyone who hates spatial nautilus actually leave it on for a while and try it out?
[06:49] <regeya_> niran: not only did I leave it on for a while, but I used Finder for several years.
[06:49] <jbm__> i did in 1984
[06:49] <Zotnix> niran, I have.
[06:49] <niran> oh.
[06:49] <niran> well in that case
[06:49] <Zotnix> I use cli more often anyhow.
[06:50] <regeya_> niran: an ars technica article on spatial browsing does not constitute a usability study. ;-)
[06:50] <Zotnix> Especially for removing files/moving files/copying files/etc.
[06:50] <niran> i use it and i like it
[06:50] <regeya_> good for you!  you get a cookie. ;-)
[06:50] <Zotnix> It's more based on personal taste.
[06:50] <niran> yeah.
[06:51] <regeya_> also, based on how many files you have, and how many folders you use to keep those files organized
[06:51] <Zotnix> If my memory serves me anything Konqueror was no better than Nautilus when it comes to speed.
[06:51] <niran> yeah, when gnome switched to spatial, i reorganized my home
[06:51] <regeya_> the larger your filesystem, imho, the more likely you are to want to murder whoever came up with spatial browsing
[06:51] <regeya_> I guess what I'm trying to say is this: it doesn't scale.
[06:52] <niran> true, but i think it's better for the most common use cases
[06:52] <niran> not for drilling down to /usr/lib/weviWO
[06:52] <regeya_> apparently a few core devs agree (though as you say, it's user switchable)
[06:53] <niran> i think it makes a better default though
[06:53] <niran> new users aren't going to have the directory hierarchy issues that established users do
[06:53] <regeya_> switching it to default in one major release without asking was what made people angry, I suppose
[06:53] <regeya_> it was *quite* annoying
[06:53] <niran> not including an option for switching it off was uncool
[06:53] <regeya_> yikes, 5 to midnight here
[06:54] <niran> but why ask people before changing the default?
[06:54] <niran> if they did that for everything, nothing would get done
[06:54] <regeya_> oh, but average users didn't need to switch from spatial!  if you're smart enough to need browser mode, you're smart enough to edit a gconf key </laziness_excuse>
[06:54] <pestil> ok, another Be-er just entered the room!
[06:55] <regeya_> mmm...beer...
[06:55] <geneo93> oh hi papa
[06:55] <niran> i was too lazy to change the gconf key, so i stuck with it and ended up liking it
[06:55] <niran> maybe that's why they did it...
[06:56] <pestil> geneo93: there you are
[06:56] <pestil> geneo93: I didn't recognize you. You sometimes use another nick, right?
[06:56] <niran> spatial nautilus + places menu + bookmarks in file selector = awesomeness.
[06:56] <geneo93> yup my old nick from beshare
[06:56] <geneo93> -kane
[06:57] <srid> oh, no color.el for emacs in Ubuntu package??
[06:57] <jsgotangco> nice a fellow emacs user :)
[06:57] <pestil> geneo93: no, I meant that sometimes you are ge-"something else". I think. nevermind
[07:00] <geneo93> no not me
[07:00] <geneo93> pain in the ass maybe
[07:01] <pestil> oh well
[07:01] <geneo93> turning all those beosers in to linux users
[07:01] <niran> this is probably a long shot and a bit off topic, but has anyone in here written an epiphany plugin before?
[07:01] <crimsun> the more, the merrier
[07:02] <srid> oh, no color.el for emacs in Ubuntu package??
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> what can I install to xvid encode a video
[07:02] <crimsun> thanks for hanging around long enough for me to check, srid.
[07:02] <pestil> geneo93: did you finally succumb over, from MDK?
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> gstreamer allows encoding with ffmpeg right?
[07:03] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: absolutely. apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[07:03] <geneo93> yeah there final will have kde 3.3.2 sucks
[07:03] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  but how do I encode with it
[07:04] <crimsun> srid: this may assist you: http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu//search_contents.pl?version=hoary&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=color.el&searchmode=searchword
[07:04] <gabaug> when a kernel module says it needs the kernel source to build, does that just mean the headers (eg kernel-headers package)?
[07:04] <Cam-> what commands does network-admin call to bring up a interface?
[07:05] <crimsun> gabaug: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:05] <Anubis> does your scrolls wheel work in your browsers?
[07:05] <gabaug> crimsun: ok, but just the headers?
[07:05] <crimsun> gabaug: to build external kernel modules, yes.
[07:05] <pestil> geneo93: it sucks? how come? so what, kubuntu will be different? (I'd guess you're trying that)
[07:05] <geneo93> crimsun:  got my tvcard working just need the radio part working now
[07:05] <Anubis> How do you tell your scroll whell to scroll or not it xorg?
[07:05] <srid> crimsun, no this is color-theme http://www.bright.net/~jonadab/emacs/
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> is "gnome-app-install" working for /anyone/ ?
[07:06] <geneo93> well i just did apt~~~ kde
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> geneo93: u shudve done apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:06] <crimsun> srid: then no, nor is it in Debian's packages.
[07:06] <pestil> geneo93: I guess you're lucky to have broadband then
[07:07] <geneo93> i dont want OO no need for it
[07:07] <pestil> da_bon_bon: what would be the difference?
[07:07] <pestil> oh
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> pestil: "kde" -- install way toooo much, and is a little outdated
[07:08] <pestil> so, what.... you mean kubuntu is leaner?
[07:08] <pestil> like, kde ubuntuized? :)
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> pestil: yes
[07:08] <pestil> I guess I haven't checked into it
[07:08] <geneo93> pestil:  broadband hehe 28800 here
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> pestil: ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuDefaults
[07:09] <Cam-> does anyonee know what command network-admin uses to activate a interface?
[07:09] <geneo93> i wish they would cut out the OO packages
[07:09] <pestil> da_bon_bon: thanks! I gotta admit, Ubuntu in its short lifetime has built a wonderful doc base around it
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> pestil: i agree
[07:09] <speedy2782> Can I copy my music from Money$oft XP to Ubuntu just by copying through my LAN
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> pestil: thats the power of wiki
[07:10] <pestil> geneo93: so, what KDE do you have here in ubuntu?
[07:10] <geneo93> 3.4
[07:11] <geneo93> its great and faster than gnome
[07:11] <jsgotangco> hmmm the OOo2 splash page in Hoary is nice
[07:11] <da_bon_bon> please help - http://rafb.net/paste/results/kTkvey50.html
[07:11] <jsgotangco> they just made an X on 1.1
[07:11] <jsgotangco> hehhe
[07:11] <DarthFrog> speedy2782: Yes.
[07:12] <DarthFrog> speedy2782: But whether they'll play or not depends upon what codecs are installed.   MP3 & OGGs will play just fine.
[07:12] <geneo93> i need something to eat brb
[07:12] <speedy2782> Darthfrog: do I need to know anything about it?
[07:12] <speedy2782> but aac.?
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm in cfdisk trying to turn an ntfs volume to reiser.  do i choose linux as the type first? #83?
[07:12] <DarthFrog> speedy2782: I know nothing about AAC, sorry.
[07:13] <hardy> why can't i add anything to my menu
[07:13] <speedy2782> I guess I can just convert everything over to mp3 before I transfer
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> try vorbis instead of mp3.
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> you'll love it!
[07:13] <speedy2782> whati is vorbis?
[07:14] <da_bon_bon> speedy2782: an open source gr8 format like mp3
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a high quality patent-free audio encoding format.
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's wayyyy better than mp3 though.
[07:14] <R0bNyc> is it me or am I the only 1 having problems installing from the ubuntu preview cd?
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> for a comparable quality vorbis file, you'll have a file size of like 65% the size of the mp3.
[07:14] <speedy2782> anyone else have an opinion of vorbis?
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> it's good
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> primarily because it's free
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> it also is non-proprietary.
[07:15] <DarthFrog> speedy2782: vorbis is a totally free lossy music compression format.  Ogg is the container, thus you will see references to Ogg Vorbis.
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> I would question the validity of the 65% number
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> it also has bitrate peeling, dynamic file attributes, and tons of other great features.
[07:15] <DarthFrog> Ogg vorbis rawks!
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> however it is in general superior to mp3
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> however some embedded devices don't support it
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's 65% or better.
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> most notably ipod
[07:15] <hardy> why can't i add anything to my menu
[07:15] <WW> speedy2782: I'm listening to ogg files right now.  I think the only problem is what HrdwrBoB said.  If you want to put your music on an ipod, I think you need mp3.
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> most comparisons i've done between lame mp3 and oggenc vorbis files, have the vorbis file sounding as good at around 55% of the mp3 file size.
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you want to put it on ipod, use aac.
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> aac sounds much better than mp3, almost as good as vorbis.
[07:16] <MaxeyPad> what is the option to select packages manually or do a bare install at the boot prompt?
[07:16] <DarthFrog> speedy2782: I note that both faad and xmms-mp4 are (a) available for Ubuntu and (b) play AAC files.
[07:16] <geneo93> flac is best imho
[07:16] <zenrox> mp4s are nice
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> flac is perfect.
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> flac is lossless. :p
[07:17] <mike_douglas> MaxeyPad: server for hoary and custom for warty
[07:17] <speedy2782> darth slow down
[07:17] <xerox> And *big*
[07:17] <speedy2782> faad and xmms-mp4 will play aac files?
[07:17] <MaxeyPad> ah okay
[07:17] <DarthFrog> Yes.
[07:17] <MaxeyPad> will this give me the option to pick packages using what exactly?
[07:18] <mike_douglas> MaxeyPad: no, but it will set you up with a minimal base system
[07:18] <speedy2782> so I can just backup my ipod using gtkpod and then rockout using faad?
[07:18] <DarthFrog> speedy2782:  I found that out via a search in "Names & Descriptions" in Synaptic.
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> what fs type is reiser in cfdisk?
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> speedy2782:  backup your ipod?
[07:19] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: 83, like the others.
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> speedy2782:  if the files are on your ipod, they are already encoded.
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun:  then how do i select reiser?
[07:19] <speedy2782> right
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i remember doing this, but it's vague.
[07:19] <hardy> how do i add thing to my menus?
[07:19] <speedy2782> broken_ladder: My ipod has 5 gig of songs
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay.
[07:19] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you create a reiserfs on a Linux (type 83) partition.
[07:19] <speedy2782> I want to put them back on my laptop
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> so just save the songs to disk.
[07:19] <pestil> is there anybody not furiously infatuated with Ubuntu, and can answer my question for searching a distro?
[07:19] <speedy2782> Yes
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun:  yes, that's what i want to do.  how do i do that?
[07:20] <deFrysk> mkreiserfs /dev/hdblah
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> speedy2782: file: copy tracks from ipod
[07:20] <deFrysk> of something
[07:20] <DarthFrog> BROKEN_LADDER: mkfs.reiser /dev/hda_something_or_other
[07:20] <WW> hardy: warty or hoary?
[07:20] <DarthFrog> pestil: Shoot.
[07:20] <copilot> can I get to the wastebasket from the command line?  ie nautilus //wastebasket
[07:20] <hardy> hoary
[07:20] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> if my warty cd rom is broke
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> copilot: ubuntuduige.org
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh yeah.  i forgot all about that.
[07:20] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> and i want to install sdl mixer
[07:20] <mike_douglas> anyone familiar with rpm and dpkg? I need an rpm command "translated" into dpkg format.
[07:21] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> do i have to install it from the cd or can i use ne
[07:21] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> "net"
[07:21] <copilot> that manes you don't know.
[07:21] <deFrysk> mike_douglas, get alien
[07:21] <copilot> *means
[07:21] <mike_douglas> deFrysk: It's not a package, its a command
[07:21] <pestil> DarthFrog: I'm looking mainly for a Windows transitioner for someone I'm installing. It needs to have a splash screen, needs to work on a 400mhz 128mb ram machine, needs to have UI
[07:21] <speedy2782> Broken: will gtkpod pull songs from ipod
[07:21] <WW> hardy: Take a look: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19673
[07:21] <HrdwrBoB> speedy2782: yes.
[07:22] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> for adding packages that need the cd: is there a way to load this files from the respority
[07:22] <DarthFrog> pestil: How experienced is the user and how interested are they in learning?
[07:22] <mike_douglas> rpm -qa --quaryformat="%{NAME} %{VERSION} %{RELEASE} %{EPOCH}\n
[07:22] <pestil> DarthFrog: just knows the basics in windows, and has *zero* interest in learning
[07:22] <gabaug> with hoary's latest 10-4 kernel, it seems to change what format of kernel modules can be loaded...anybody have info on this?
[07:23] <pestil> DarthFrog: I was thinking elx linux. I'd prefer a distro that would have some graphical apt'get thingie
[07:23] <DarthFrog> pestil: Hmm, on such a limited resource machine (128 MB & 400 MHz limited????!! What a world!) things might be tight.
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> pestil: ELX sucks
[07:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is the fs type for reiser 4 when using mount?
[07:23] <DarthFrog> pestil: I'd suggest giving Linspire a shot.
[07:23] <geneo93> pestil:  ubuntu has synaptic
[07:23] <pestil> da_bon_bon: I thought the button panels that replace start menus are easy to use
[07:24] <deFrysk> linspire ? :s
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> pestil: well, u can have that in ubutnu too
[07:24] <hardy> can you give me that URL again?
[07:24] <pestil> geneo93: ubuntu doesn't have graphical splash screen
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> ubuntu rules.
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> it gets better every week.
[07:24] <pestil> deFrysk: does linspire have splash screen?
[07:24] <eruin> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device <-- anyone able to decipher that message?
[07:24] <DarthFrog> pestil: any Debian based distro will have Synaptic available to it.
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> a splash screen is an important feature to you eh?
[07:24] <pestil> DarthFrog: Is Linspire debian based?
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> better CLI than synaptic
[07:24] <WW> hardy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19673
[07:25] <deFrysk> pestil, linspire has no root
[07:25] <jsgotangco> Linspire is debian based
[07:25] <pestil> BROKEN_LADDER: not for me. for this guy who freaks at anything black screen
[07:25] <deFrysk> would never use it
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> pestil: linspire is not free. its a commercial, begging-for-every-other-application-download kind of a distro
[07:25] <pestil> deFrysk: the machine won't be on the internet, and nobody in this country has heard of linux before
[07:25] <DarthFrog> pestil: Yes.  And it's a commercial distro, so there's good support.  It's definitely intended for Windows switchers.
[07:25] <jsgotangco> where is that?
[07:25] <pestil> da_bon_bon: does it have OpenOffice?
[07:25] <deFrysk> pestil, then get libranet 2.8
[07:25] <WW> hardy: Apparently menu editing is disabled in gnome 2.10.  The url is for a forum thread about a menu editor that someone wrote.
[07:25] <pestil> jsgotangco: Zamunda
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> pestil: yes
[07:25] <deFrysk> ist fast and free for download
[07:26] <jsgotangco> where is Zamuda?
[07:26] <geneo93> i tried the very first round of lindows and it sucked so i never looked at it again
[07:26] <ironwolf> what's a good multi-threaded web downloader/web sucker?
[07:26] <DarthFrog> deFrysk: So you and I would never use it.  That doesn't mean that it isn't suitable for its target audience. :-)
[07:26] <cowbud> menu editing in gnome will come out in 2.12
[07:26] <jsgotangco> Linspire works for others while to us its not worth it
[07:26] <deFrysk> DarthFrog, define target audience :D
[07:26] <jsgotangco> we can still get well together cant we
[07:26] <jsgotangco> :)
[07:26] <WW> When is 2.12 due?
[07:27] <gabaug> how can I just download a packge that I already have installed but is no longer in my /var/cache?
[07:27] <cowbud> WW: 6 months..
[07:27] <cowbud> gnome is on a 6 month release cycle
[07:27] <deFrysk> WW 6 month rel. cycle
[07:27] <WW> cowbud: Will hoary have an ubuntu work-around?
[07:27] <deFrysk> and what cowbud said
[07:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus.  even on google i can't find the fs type for reiser4
[07:27] <DarthFrog> deFrysk:  Exactly the person that pestil is talking about.
[07:27] <cowbud> WW: uhh doubt it :)
[07:28] <gabaug> is there a new format that hoary's 10-4 kernel now takes?? I have some custom built modules that can't be loaded ("Invalid module format")
[07:28] <geneo93> grub wont work with reiserfs4
[07:28] <pestil> DarthFrog: Oh yes! it needs to have a cd burner app! like nero or easycd. its' a must.
[07:28] <DarthFrog> pestil: Xandros would be another good choice.
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> gabaug: rebuild the modules
[07:28] <pestil> DarthFrog: that's why I discarded Lycoris
[07:28] <deFrysk> grub wont indeed
[07:28] <WW> cowbud: So for the next 7 months, every day there will be questions here and in the forum about how to edit the menus in gnome?
[07:28] <BiteMeBill> BROKEN_LADDER: what do you mean?  IT's a journaling file system.
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> geneo93: google - there are special version of GRUB available
[07:28] <geneo93> you have to use lilo like i do
[07:28] <pestil> DarthFrog: Xandros? Intriguing!thanks for popping that up!
[07:28] <gabaug> da_bon_bon: I built them on a freshly installed hoary system (that has 10-4 kernel) and they don't load..
[07:28] <DarthFrog> pestil: then Xandros is perfect. You can burn a CD from teh File Manager.
[07:28] <jsgotangco> Xandros is good
[07:29] <jsgotangco> but dont they use old gtk?
[07:29] <deFrysk> if you like sandros and alike ubuntu would be better
[07:29] <geneo93> da_bon_bon:  i use lilo much simpler
[07:29] <pestil> DarthFrog: thanks then. I will go check it out again
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> geneo93: lilo sucks
[07:29] <DarthFrog> deFrysk: Not for Pestils's user.
[07:29] <deFrysk> da_bon_bon, it does not
[07:29] <pestil> DarthFrog: was there something like a "free circulation" edition or somn?
[07:29] <geneo93> so does grub
[07:30] <DarthFrog> pestil: Yes.
[07:30] <pestil> DarthFrog: what are the limitations on it? btw, does xandros have splash screen
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> BiteMeBill:  the fs type is "reiser4"
[07:30] <geneo93> suse9.2 pe aint bad either pestil
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> BiteMeBill:  i finally found out for sure that's it.
[07:30] <deFrysk> pestil, and dont forget to put nero for linux on it
[07:30] <pestil> DarthFrog: does k3b work in xandros
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> BiteMeBill:  so my problem must be that the kernel doesn't have support for it.
[07:30] <jsgotangco> xandros has splash screen on boot
[07:30] <cowbud> deFrysk: have you used that?
[07:31] <deFrysk> cowbud, tried it and it sucks big time
[07:31] <pestil> deFrysk: how much does neroforlinux cost?
[07:31] <BiteMeBill> BROKEN_LADDER: What kernal?
[07:31] <cowbud> pestil: doesn't matter right now it runs on gtk 1 that is enough said
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> please help - http://rafb.net/paste/results/0mLLnE97.html
[07:31] <jsgotangco> nero for linux is free but you have to own a windows version of it
[07:31] <deFrysk> pestil, a connection to some obscure torrentserver ;p
[07:31] <cowbud> hah
[07:31] <DarthFrog> pestil: Not commercial apps and CD burning speed is limited.  K3b should work fine, the limiations would be with the burning from the file manager.
[07:31] <cowbud> deFrysk: you mean torrentspy ;)
[07:32] <cowbud> the only reason to use nerolinux is if you have a few nrg files laying around that you want to burn..
[07:32] <cowbud> other than that k3b is decent for now..
[07:32] <deFrysk> cowbud, is you have a burner with nero included you can download it
[07:32] <speedy2782> how do I access the synaptic respositories files?
[07:32] <speedy2782> or file/
[07:32] <deFrysk> also the burner has to be installed
[07:32] <cowbud> haha
[07:32] <deFrysk> on windows
[07:32] <cowbud> nice
[07:32] <pestil> DarthFrog: last question. For a 400mhz machine, which is best: Xandros, Linspire, Ubuntu (no, scrach that), or MDK?
[07:32] <deFrysk> to obtain the reg fom the registry
[07:32] <cowbud> deFrysk: how do they tell that btw?
[07:32] <cowbud> ahh
[07:32] <cowbud> the cds have the keys right on them..
[07:33] <deFrysk> they tell it on their website
[07:33] <WW> speedy2782: In Synaptic, go to Settings->Repositories
[07:33] <speedy2782> ww: in terminal
[07:33] <deFrysk> cowbud, its not worth it
[07:33] <WW> speedy2782: The file is /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:33] <deFrysk> k3b is many times better
[07:33] <DarthFrog> pestil:  Not Mandrake.   (I'm typing this on a Mandrake machine). But it wouldn't do well on the machine that you're talking about and your user wouldn't like it.
[07:35] <deFrysk> DarthFrog, if you like mandrake kde on hoary you will even like more
[07:35] <pestil> why not MDK? too slow for the machine?                  I'm getting annoyed with the focus on the Mandrake Club, however.
[07:38] <hardy> How do i use the menu editer?
[07:38] <gabaug> how can I manually download an hoary's 10-3 kernel?
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: mandrake cant get one thing right.
[07:38] <cowbud> no distro wars please
[07:38] <deFrysk> DarthFrog, that clubcrap sucks majorly
[07:38] <cowbud> it is boring banter
[07:38] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  not bad at all did a few kernel tricks and was like normal
[07:39] <WW> cowbud: But don't you find "It sucks!" "No it doesn't!" "Yes it does!" fascinating?
[07:39] <DarthFrog> deFrysk: yeah, that's why I'm thinking of tossing Mdk.
[07:39] <deFrysk> I like Duvall
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> cowbud is right
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> we must stop
[07:39] <deFrysk> Rober Duvall that is
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> s/we/i
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> :)
[07:40] <DarthFrog> geneo93: It was usable & not slow?
[07:40] <deFrysk> Robber
[07:40] <geneo93> mandrake used to be cutting edge but anymore those lazzy asses cant get th job done
[07:40] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: Thank you for that correction. :-)
[07:40] <gobeavs> what does the "%" do in BASH scripting?
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: that shows i accept my mistaked :)
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> mistakes
[07:41] <gabaug> why are apt repositorie *so hard* to manually browse?!
[07:41] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: You are a wise man. :-)
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> the only thing i dont like about mdk is that most applications are only avaialable to the cluc memebers.
[07:41] <WW> gobeavs: help %
[07:41] <deFrysk> cluc ?
[07:41] <deFrysk> ;p
[07:41] <DarthFrog> Club
[07:41] <geneo93> oh fuck the club i get them anyway
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> geneo93: how ? rpms ?
[07:42] <gobeavs> WW: hmmm....didn't help for me :-D
[07:42] <geneo93> secret
[07:42] <DarthFrog> I'm not too concerned about that.  But having updates to big things, like KDE, being available to club members only, is rotting my sox.
[07:42] <gobeavs> WW: someone above provided: "ls *.mp3 | xargs -i sh -c "echo {} | sed s/.mp3//g | xargs -i% sox %.mp3 %.wav"" to convert mp3 to wav, so I was wondering what the %'s do
[07:42] <gobeavs> so I could implement them into my script
[07:43] <pestil> DarthFrog: da_bon_bon: cowbud: thanks for the help! it was very useful. I did not mean to start a distro war, or trolling. Indeed it was useful. Gotta go now. bye
[07:43] <crimsun> gobeavs: string substitutions
[07:43] <pestil> geneo93: see ya
[07:43] <cowbud> wow
[07:43] <cowbud> someone actually uses chatzilla?
[07:43] <geneo93> yup be good
[07:43] <gobeavs> crimsun: ok...thanks
[07:43] <crimsun> cowbud: hey now, no irc client wars =)
[07:44] <DarthFrog> :-)
[07:44] <WW> gobeavs: Oh. That's different. :)
[07:44] <cowbud> crimsun: ;)
[07:44] <delltony> anyone here by chance use bnc daemon?
[07:44] <geneo93> cowbud:  maybe you need to beat your meat
[07:44] <andy__> g'day! having problems installing gaim 1.4 ... says it needs glib, but according to synaptic, it's already there!
[07:44] <DarthFrog> geneo93: That was uncalled for.
[07:45] <hardy> How do i use the menu editer?
[07:45] <cowbud> geneo93: hrmm is it that time already?
[07:45] <cef> any reason why a fresh install of warty would have a somewhat stuffed login prompt? just displays the ubuntu logo, and a login bo.. no shutdown/option buttons at all
[07:45] <geneo93> well he seem to be frustrited with what other ppl like
[07:45] <cef> login box
[07:46] <gobeavs> WW: Ya...it didn't make sense :-d
[07:46] <hazmat> is there a way to show which files belong to a particular package?
[07:46] <niran> anyone here use epiphany and have hoary installed?
[07:46] <crimsun> hazmat: a package that's installed, or...?
[07:47] <crimsun> hazmat: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: have a look - http://rafb.net/paste/results/0mLLnE97.html
[07:48] <Burgundavia> geneo93: please follow the ubuntu code of conduct
[07:48] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: how current is that?
[07:48] <cef> any recommended way to edit the xfree86 config in warty?
[07:48] <cef> it got my screen res wrong
[07:48] <crimsun> cef: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:48] <Burgundavia> cef: then edit it by hand in your favourite text editor
[07:48] <Burgundavia> or that way
[07:49] <hazmat> crimsun, installed
[07:49] <cef> hopefully it'll have the right screen res in there
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: a few seconds back
[07:49] <crimsun> hazmat: dpkg -S somefile
[07:49] <hazmat> crimsun, thanks
[07:49] <crimsun> hazmat: I highly recommend 'dlocate'
[07:49] <dazed__> the ubu install on my laptop never gets passed a certain point...always says that my computer has reached critical temp and it shuts down...but its always at the same spot? any ideas how to get by this?
[07:50] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: mentioned on the kubuntu list(s)?
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: on the channel yes, on the lists no
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i deletd all files in /var/lib/apt/lists and am getting the apt-get update as we speak
[07:50] <LordGrunt> hello
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: hoary/warty ?
[07:51] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Bizarre.  Try passing the "noapic" parameter when booting.
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: he means noacpi
[07:51] <LordGrunt> is it possible to create user with password made not needed? or at least space as pwd
[07:52] <WW> gobeavs: As someone else pointed out, the "-i" option is used to create a string substitution.  Each input line will be called %, and the subsequent references to % will be replaced with each input line and executed.
[07:52] <WW> gobeavs: I think this might also work, and it's a bit simpler:
[07:52] <DarthFrog> LordGrunt: Yes.  But you won't be able to login as that user.
[07:53] <WW>  ls *.mp3 | sed -e s/.mp3//g | xargs -i% sox %.mp3 %.wav
[07:53] <LordGrunt> i dont want pwd disabled, but not needed
[07:53] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: caveat: "noapic" is 100% valid
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: and equivalent to noacpi ?
[07:54] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no, pci=noacpi is different
[07:54] <gobeavs> WW: ok, thanks. I'll try it out
[07:54] <DarthFrog> LordGrunt: Edit /etc/shadow and delete the encrypted password between the first two : marks.
[07:54] <FR500> hello
[07:54] <WW> gobeavs: I tried it with a directory of .ogg files (replace .mp3 with .ogg in the command) and it worked.
[07:54] <gobeavs> except sox won't work on my PC
[07:54] <dazed__> da_bon_bon: warty
[07:54] <FR500> what are the setting in grub for hibernation to work?
[07:54] <gobeavs> doesn't have the right mpeg something
[07:54] <dazed__> whats the noacpi?
[07:54] <cef> erm.. ok.. how do I shoot the gnome resolution changer in the head and tell it REAL resolutions to use instead of it's crappy (WRONG) defaults?
[07:54] <dazed__> how do i pass it
[07:54] <gobeavs> I have the basis for a script down, I just had some troubles...hopefully this % thing will help
[07:54] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: I meant noapic, not noacpi.
[07:54] <WW> gobeavs: You might have to install a library for sox to read mp3 files.
[07:54] <crimsun> cef: follow Burgundavia's suggestion and edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 manually.
[07:55] <FR500> it worked earlier but grubconf screwed it
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: i figured that
[07:55] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: : -)
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: my bad
[07:55] <Burgundavia> cef: I would do it with an editor that saves the old copy, like gedit
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> :)
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: u always like ur smilies to have a nose, right ?
[07:55] <Burgundavia> cef: then you can cp config~ config to fix it easily
[07:55] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: You will learn, young padawan. :-)
[07:55] <cef> this is the problem though: the XF86Config-4 file is correct now. 1440 x 900
[07:56] <geneo93> =))
[07:56] <cef> gnome however, keeps setting the screen resolution to 1400x1050
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: 1) right i need to learn a lot,, 2) i am not a young padawan (as in newbie)
[07:56] <FR500> hmmm anyone with hoary and  a laptop?
[07:56] <WW> gobeavs: Maybe libmad0?
[07:56] <dazed__> da_bon_bon: how do i pass the noacpi?
[07:56] <Burgundavia> cef: restart your X server ctrl-alt-bksp
[07:56] <Burgundavia> cef: save all your stuff first though
[07:56] <cef> so I miss the bottom 150 lines, which, just so happens to be the login screen options
[07:57] <cef> Burgundavia: done that
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: linux noapic while it says "boot"
[07:57] <Burgundavia> cef: hmm
[07:57] <DarthFrog> dazed__: When the grub boot screen comes up, you can edit the configuration.
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: for more info press F1, F2, F3
[07:57] <dazed__> ok let me give it a try
[07:57] <gobeavs> WW: I'm just going to try to use lame
[07:57] <cef> Computer->System Config->Screen Resolution does not show the right resolution
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: warty cd uses lilo as boot, not grub
[07:57] <gobeavs> ya, lame worked
[07:57] <dazed__> ono ,my laptop its all jumbled cuz of the res
[07:58] <gobeavs> wow...I think you just did in one line what I couldn't do in 12 :-D
[07:58] <BiteMeBill> cef: if that doesn't show the right ones then you need to finish editing your config-4 file.
[07:58] <gobeavs> I really need to get my BASH skills refined :-P
[07:58] <cef> BiteMeBill: howso?
[07:59] <FR500> hmmm anyone with hoary and  a laptop? i need menu.lst, grubconf screwe mine now i can't hibernate
[07:59] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: Hmm, I don't think I ever saw a LILO screen from Warty.  I've only ever seen grub.  Maybe I specified grub during the install?
[07:59] <dazed__> should i use noapic or nolapic? whats the dif?
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: the boot cd
[07:59] <BiteMeBill> cef: if your refresh rates aren't correct and all the differnt res. aren't put in for all the different modes then you will run into problems.
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: the cd u used to install warty
[07:59] <cef> BiteMeBill: dpkg-reconfigure doesn't give you a chance to edit that value (just a pick list), and I can't see the value the screen resolution stuff is storing anywhere in the xfree config
[08:00] <WW> gobeavs: I just tried the command with the one mp3 file that I could find on my computer and even though sox gave me an error message about "Do not support MPEG...", it still converted the mp3 to wav.
[08:00] <FR500> well no help for me today
[08:00] <cef> BiteMeBill: hrm.. ok.. must be that it's not 60 Hz
[08:00] <BiteMeBill> I seen you mention a 1400X950 or something res.  Are you running wide screen monitor?
[08:00] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: Ah, yes.  You're right.
[08:00] <dazed__> btw it would shut down during unpacking ... does it still turn off the apic during unpacking?
[08:00] <BiteMeBill> cef:  You may need to edit it by hand.
[08:00] <dazed__> i forgot to mention that i think lol
[08:01] <amroc> hello, could i get some help?
[08:01] <cef> got it.. no modeline with that name.. will have to create one.. *sigh*
[08:01] <hardy> Can I use synaptic to install mplayer?
[08:01] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Give it a shot.
[08:01] <FR500> yes
[08:01] <dazed__> actually it was during the "seting up of the packages" process
[08:01] <BiteMeBill> cef: what kind of monitor do you have?
[08:01] <DarthFrog> hardy: Yes, if you have universe and/or multiverse repositories enabled.
[08:01] <kylemunzenrieder> HI!
[08:02] <cef> BiteMeBill: Toshiba Satellite P20 laptop
[08:02] <dazed__> actually it was during the "seting up of the packages" process
[08:02] <cef> BiteMeBill: weird-ass 1440 x 900 display
[08:02] <dazed__> i am
[08:02] <dazed__> i hope it works
[08:02] <dgt> pft
[08:02] <dazed__> i know it has over heating problems but it was only during that certain part and i even put ice under my computer to cool it off and it was coooled off
[08:02] <BiteMeBill> cef: Ok BRB I'm going to see what google digs up..  By chance are you dual booting?
[08:03] <cef> BiteMeBill: yup
[08:03] <kylelovesporn> send n00dz to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:03] <BiteMeBill> cef: have you ever done an aida32 report?
[08:03] <da_bon_bon> kylelovesporn: n00dz ?
[08:03] <cef> BiteMeBill: if it annoys me, I'll just go bug daniels .. assuming he's at home today
[08:04] <kylelovesporn> naked pictures you take of yourself
[08:04] <traxxas> da_bon_bon, yes n00dz
[08:04] <DarthFrog> kylelovesporn:  Fornicate elsewher and expire, please.
[08:04] <cef> BiteMeBill: nup.. any pointers?
[08:04] <gobeavs> WW: working great now, thank you very much
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> what are n00dz, traxxas, kylelovesporn ?
[08:04] <Deep7> anyone know if openoffice saves a temp file or something that can be recovered in the event of a crash?
[08:04] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: He's a troll.
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: r u sure ?
[08:05] <traxxas> da_bon_bon, type n00dz into google be a real nerd
[08:05] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: He comes on channel and asks people to send him nude pictures of themselves and you're not sure? :-)
[08:06] <WW> gobeavs: Great.
[08:07] <error_29> thanks!
[08:07] <geneo93> WHOS up to the task of trouble shooting my radio for a hauppauge wintv dbx card
[08:07] <hardy>  It wont let me install it
[08:08] <blackstar> this is an easy fix guys...everytime that i open a window in ubuntus nautilus and double click on a folder it opens another window...how do i stop this so i can have it use one window
[08:08] <blackstar> thnks
[08:08] <DarthFrog> blackstar: Turn off spatial mode.
[08:08] <traxxas> or don't use nautilus
[08:09] <blackstar> ok how do i do this
[08:09] <error_29> blackstar, there should be a setting in gconfig, under nautilus settings
[08:09] <DarthFrog> That, I don't know.  I don't use Gnome.
[08:09] <WW> blackstar: Edit->Preferences->Behavior: Check "Always open..."
[08:09] <blackstar> what other browsers are there apart from konqueror
[08:09] <DarthFrog> Firefox.
[08:09] <error_29> applications_system tools_configuration editor
[08:09] <blackstar> i mean like folder browsers
[08:10] <blackstar> ok
[08:10] <dazed__> nautilus is a great browser
[08:10] <dazed__> it previews ur music when u hover ur mouse
[08:10] <DarthFrog> Konqueror is truly excellent.
[08:10] <error_29> Konqueror is great
[08:10] <dazed__> ehh
[08:10] <dazed__> i like em both
[08:11] <DarthFrog> So do I.
[08:11] <blackstar> cool thnks i will check it out
[08:11] <dazed__> where does konqueror kick nautilus' ass?
[08:11] <DarthFrog> Firefox & konq, that is.
[08:11] <geneo93> i like the copy to feature
[08:12] <DarthFrog> Konq is just as good a file browser as Nautilus and is a web browser as well.
[08:12] <error_29> you can use tabs in konqueror, I like that.  A lot more control.
[08:12] <maz1977> hi all!
[08:12] <dazed__> firefox can browse files?
[08:12] <dazed__> well yeah it can
[08:12] <maz1977> big problem with my new PC...
[08:12] <dazed__> but it looks like a webserver
[08:12] <geneo93> its a dell
[08:12] <maz1977> dazed__: in the url: file:///home/xxx
[08:12] <dazed__> true darthfrog
[08:13] <maz1977> no..
[08:13] <maz1977> after login I have a kernelpanic
[08:13] <dazed__> the worst part about my stupid problem...its almost at the end of the setup when it crashes  it can even boot up ubuntu after it shuts off and it just fails to load the Human.png
[08:13] <geneo93> oppps
[08:14] <hardy>  It wont let me install it
[08:14] <maz1977> but the strange thing i use hoary on my laptop and on another server and everything works fine!
[08:14] <geneo93> dazed__:  did you try the live cd
[08:14] <dazed__> 'Critical Temperature Reached 99 (C)'
[08:15] <traxxas> i can't install either
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> hardy: what do u wanna install ?
[08:15] <traxxas> and the live cd works great
[08:15] <dazed__> lol
[08:15] <dazed__> thats hot
[08:15] <maz1977> geneo93: how can i see it?
[08:15] <hardy> MPlayer
[08:15] <dazed__> i want a hard install
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> hardy: whats the problem ?
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> hardy: using marrilat ?
[08:15] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Do you have the battery installed?
[08:15] <geneo93> maz1977:  see what
[08:15] <maz1977> if I switch console after login confirm, X goes on..
[08:16] <kylelovesporn> I'm hot
[08:16] <dazed__> i run ubu on my pc
[08:16] <dazed__> its just on my laptop im having the problesm
[08:16] <maz1977> sorry, 'Critical Temperature Reached 99 (C)' wasn't for me?
[08:16] <dazed__> DarthFrog Yes
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: try noapm noapic
[08:16] <dazed__> should i remove?
[08:16] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Try it without the battery.
[08:16] <dazed__> i thought that might help but i ddidnt try
[08:16] <DarthFrog> dazed__:  That's grasping ast straws, tho.
[08:16] <dazed__> lol
[08:17] <BiteMeBill> da_bon_bon: did he say it was freezing or shutting down?
[08:17] <hardy> Mpalyer requires dependencies that are not in any of the databases
[08:17] <kylelovesporn> I love Chris Duffey
[08:17] <da_bon_bon> BiteMeBill: restarting
[08:17] <maz1977> hardy have you multiverse as source?
[08:17] <geneo93> hardy:  wrong
[08:17] <dazed__> welll da_bon_bon: its when its setting up the packages when it crashes i can get all the way through the cd part of the install
[08:17] <hardy> no
[08:17] <maz1977> dazed__ is it a laptop?
[08:18] <BiteMeBill> da_bon_bon: it sounds like it's in the bios then.  I wouldn't suggest turning it off though...  But it would be up to him.
[08:18] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Define crashes, please.
[08:18] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: then u need to edit in grub
[08:18] <maz1977> hardy put deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse in your sources.list
[08:18] <dazed__> ...comp shuts down
[08:18] <dazed__> just turns off
[08:18] <dazed__> completely
[08:18] <dazed__> it over heats and just shuts off
[08:19] <dazed__> sometimes it gives me a warning with "sending term signal"
[08:19] <maz1977> dazed__: try to install with noapic nolapic
[08:19] <DarthFrog> dazed__:  That is not a crash!
[08:19] <dazed__> da_bon_bon: what do u mean im probably not going to know how to do it lol
[08:20] <maz1977> noone have problem with gam_server?
[08:20] <dazed__> lol sorry bad lingo DarthFrog...
[08:20] <dazed__> maz thats what im trying now
[08:20] <hardy> synaptic still wont let me install mplayer
[08:20] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: in grub menu, highlist ubuntu and press "e" and then in kernel parametemers line press "e" and then add noapic nolapic noapm at the end, press enter, and press b
[08:20] <maz1977> hardy: sudo apt-get update
[08:20] <geneo93> apt-get -f install hardy
[08:21] <dazed__> is tehre anyway to install basics and skip all other package installs until i get into Gnome
[08:21] <maz1977> dazed__: linux server
[08:21] <DarthFrog> dazed__: It makes a difference.  What you are describing is a shutdown due to overheating.   A crash is due to a software or hardware malfunction.
[08:21] <dazed__> the less unpacking and setting up i think will work
[08:22] <dazed__> maz1977: explain to me what that does
[08:22] <maz1977> dazed__: at first prompt at install time
[08:22] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Methinks you need to get a laptop cooling pad.
[08:22] <dazed__> DarthFrog: i know theres a difference i was just typing too fast for my ehad
[08:22] <maz1977> type: linux noapic nolapic
[08:22] <maz1977> [enter]
[08:22] <dazed__> maz1977: i know that ... whats that do though?? whats it mean?
[08:23] <DarthFrog> dazed__:  LOL!  But we, on the other side of the monitor, don't know that.
[08:23] <BiteMeBill> if the bios is shutting they system down there isn't anything he can do till he gets his temps under control.
[08:23] <dazed__> DarthFrog: i tried putting the laptop on ice... i felt the processor it was chilled
[08:23] <dazed__> still shutdown
[08:23] <maz1977> disable some kernel function that your hardware dosn't support
[08:23] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Can you install/run any other Linux distro?
[08:24] <dazed__> maz1977: i know where and what to type ...i just wanted to know waht typing "server" would do lol.
[08:24] <dazed__> i can run knoppix live disc fine
[08:24] <dazed__> have tried hard installs of anything else yet
[08:24] <BiteMeBill> server will do a basic install IIRC
[08:24] <maz1977> I try to repost... someone have some problem with gam_server?
[08:25] <dazed__> Thanks BiteMeBill
[08:25] <hardy> I am still having trouble
[08:25] <hardy> I am still having trouble
[08:25] <maz1977> dazed__: sorry server install only minimal package, without X
[08:25] <geneo93> dazed__:  f4 gives you kernel message try that maybe you can see what the problem is
[08:25] <dazed__> does it install Gnome and such stuff? BiteMeBill
[08:25] <BiteMeBill> hardy: post your sources.list on pastebin
[08:25] <maz1977> hardy what's the putput?
[08:25] <BiteMeBill> dazed__: let me find a link so you can read what it will do.
[08:26] <dazed__> geneo93: f4 when?
[08:26] <maz1977> daxed__ durin' install
[08:26] <geneo93> at boot
[08:26] <dazed__> thansk BiteMeBill
[08:26] <ossiii> could anyone plz tell me which tool to use to mount my other partitions under ubuntu? couldnt find
[08:26] <hardy> mplayer-586:
[08:26] <hardy>  Depends: libdirectfb-0.9-20  but it is not installable
[08:26] <hardy>  Depends: libggi2 (>=1:2.0.5) but it is not installable
[08:26] <hardy>  Depends: libsvga1  but it is not installable or
[08:26] <hardy>  	svgalib-dummyg1  but it is not installable
[08:26] <DarthFrog> dazed__:  Gnome would absolutely require and depend upon X.
[08:26] <crimsun> hardy: warty or hoary?
[08:27] <GNAM> how can i see my kernel version?
[08:27] <GNAM> is there a command?
[08:27] <maz1977> GNAM uname -a
[08:27] <crimsun> GNAM: uname -r
[08:27] <GNAM> ok
[08:27] <hardy> hoary
[08:27] <dazed__> let me see if this noapic and nolapic
[08:27] <dazed__> works
[08:27] <geneo93> hardy:  do the apt-get -f install like i said
[08:27] <maz1977> dazed__ good luck!
[08:27] <crimsun> dazed__: noapic also does nolapic
[08:27] <dazed__> DarthFrog: lol damn so im screwed i have to find a way to install X and do minimal packages besides that
[08:27] <dazed__> lol
[08:28] <dazed__> lol
[08:28] <dazed__> ima need it
[08:28] <dazed__> oh well i typed em both
[08:28] <maz1977> crimsun: on my laptop no. I had to specify "noapic nolapic"...
[08:28] <geneo93> dazed__:  you can use apt-get
[08:29] <dazed__> im on 56k
[08:29] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Not necessarily.  You could do a minimal, server install, then apt-get your way to joy.
[08:29] <ian> anyone familiar?  "Checking for forbidden M4 macros... ***Error***: some autoconf macros required to build..."
[08:29] <crimsun> ian: what are you trying to build?
[08:29] <dazed__> lol
[08:29] <maz1977> ossiii: sudo mount <dev> <mount>
[08:29] <crimsun> maz1977: strange. I'd say that's a kernel bug.
[08:29] <dazed__> hmmm
[08:29] <ian> crimsun: my own application! :)   http://linuxadvocate.org/projects/roadster/
[08:29] <dazed__> how much downloading would i need to do?
[08:29] <ossiii> tnx, will try to understand :)
[08:29] <ian> crimsun: just moved to ubuntu
[08:30] <geneo93> dazed__:  about 300mb
[08:30] <dazed__> so id need to apt-get X and Gnome? and then i could run gnome and do the rest from there?
[08:30] <geneo93> apt-get install ubuntudesk
[08:30] <crimsun> ian: so you'd need autoconf, automake, libtool, m4
[08:30] <Deep7> does anyone know where openoffice stores its temp files? ie an unsaved file?
[08:30] <mjones> I have a few questions about PPC support if anyone can answer
[08:31] <dazed__> lol if its 300mb then ill wait til i can goto my friends APT with cable im in a dorm with 56k...i didnt even know that still existed to this day...a dorm with 56k
[08:31] <Deep7> I had X lock up and had to reboot my machine, I need to recover my doc
[08:31] <dazed__> lol
[08:31] <LordGrunt> something wrong with the user im trying to add, pswd not accepted, no matter how many timess i updated t
[08:31] <crimsun> Deep7: it should autorecover when you restart OO.o
[08:31] <geneo93> dazed__:  you can use cd for now
[08:31] <ian> crimsun: I seem to have all of those.  automake version seems old though
[08:32] <crimsun> ian: --version ?
[08:32] <kylelovesporn> I love linux
[08:32] <mjones> can anyone tell me if there is something I should look out for or will need (extra) when installing on a first gen (bondi) iMac? It has YDL on it and I really dont care for it
[08:32] <dazed__> use the cd to install my packages?
[08:32] <geneo93> all you will need is the cd
[08:32] <ian> crimsun: 1.4-p6
[08:32] <dazed__> looks like u love some more then linux ^-
[08:32] <maz1977> crimsun do you know some bug about kernel-panic after X login? I read about some gam_server problem..
[08:33] <crimsun> ian: install automake1.7
[08:33] <mjones> cool, thanks. I have warty on an x86 233 and LOVE it =]
[08:33] <ian> crimsun: not 1.8?
[08:33] <mjones> thank you for the help
[08:33] <kylelovesporn> traxxas: unbann me you silly negro
[08:33] <hardy> I still get the same output when i try to install mplayer
[08:33] <dazed__> ok so server install...and then itll use the cd to install x and gnome and such
[08:33] <geneo93> yes then update after
[08:33] <BiteMeBill> dazed__: if you type custom at the boot it will let you chose what to install
[08:33] <dazed__> to apt-get
[08:33] <crimsun> ian: well, you could go for 1.9 if you _really_ wanted to
[08:33] <BiteMeBill> you will then have to apt-get to install everything else.
[08:33] <dazed__> really
[08:33] <crimsun> ian: best to be conservative
[08:33] <mjones> is there anything extra I need to edit for the apt conf? for it to pull PPC files or does it know Im on a pcc box?
[08:34] <crimsun> mm Verano Place
[08:34] <Deep7> crimsun, well, I had to reboot my machine because X locked hard...... and it turns out debian unstable has hosed my X config...so I can't get back into X to get into OO.o.....so I used a ubuntu cd to get this far
[08:34] <BiteMeBill> dazed__: http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[08:34] <dazed__> well ... i want Gnome and synaptic up so i can install my packages  once in gnome...so what would i need to type  lol?
[08:34] <BiteMeBill> might help you not overheat but will be slow going.
[08:34] <kylelovesporn> traxxas : i forget your silly garlic AIM
[08:34] <dazed__> thanks BiteMeBill
[08:34] <GNAM> what's latest guide about nvidia on hoary?
[08:35] <kylelovesporn> but unban me because I LOVE YOU SO MUCH I CAN BARELY STAND IT
[08:35] <Deep7> crimsun, any way of recovering given that info?
[08:35] <dazed__> once in the operating system it never over heats its just all the abuse on the processor...cheap ass hp board
[08:35] <mjones> well thanks for the help guys, this place is much faster for help then the YDL support/comm
[08:35] <DarthFrog> dazed__: If you were to type "apt-get install synaptic" it would pull in X.  Install gnome the same way.
[08:35] <BiteMeBill> kylelovesporn:  you must not love porn too much cause you aren't seeing it here.
[08:35] <mjones> will be returning in ubuntu =]
[08:35] <crimsun> Deep7: wait...what does Debian Sid have to do with this?
[08:36] <guiman> crimsun: Verano Place?
[08:36] <dazed__> \its getting to crashing point
[08:36] <dazed__> lets see if it dies or goes on
[08:36] <kylelovesporn> bitemebill: bite me
[08:36] <crimsun> guiman: just recognize your hostmask.
[08:36] <Deep7> crimsun, that's technically the OS I was in...and my X is now hosed because of what is likely bad packages...such that I can't boot back into X
[08:36] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  he wants to da a little at a time i think
[08:37] <hardy> I still get the same output when i try to install mplayer
[08:37] <dazed__> i think its moving through the death point hold on a sec
[08:37] <dazed__> uh oh
[08:37] <dazed__> its almost done
[08:37] <dazed__> i think its working
[08:37] <DarthFrog> geneo93: Probably.
[08:37] <kylelovesporn> ijjjk-[iokjn jkonhip9-0op=p09oik
[08:37] <kylelovesporn> p;l[';o] 0-\\
[08:37] <geneo93> oh maybe you need to tell i586 mplayer
[08:37] <kylelovesporn> \'] \[p;ol
[08:38] <dazed__> i dunno if it was the noapic or the removal of the battery but it got past point of death on the install
[08:38] <Deep7> crimsun, any ideas?
[08:38] <BiteMeBill> ahh ignore works so nicely!
[08:38] <crimsun> Deep7: are you running warty?
[08:38] <guiman> ah, weird, it is like my second time here. Did you go to UCI? I am a phd anthro student working on open source and development... or something like that.
[08:38] <geneo93> hardy i586mplayer
[08:38] <kylelovesporn> ,mvjnotmktf,wpl;09ikpl[;dfpgoikdplpokiyuuuuuuuuuuuuuujtirodwp;;;;;;;;;;roitjy5693es2w;[q'
[08:38] <kylelovesporn> er
[08:39] <Deep7> crimsun, yeah running warty right now off of a live cd
[08:39] <kylelovesporn> lkojioec;3wiosa'/
[08:39] <dazed__> kylelovesporn: ... nice
[08:39] <crimsun> guiman: I almost matriculated there for Ph.D., but my ex-gf is in ESS Ph.D. there
[08:39] <dazed__> YES!
[08:39] <kylelovesporn> ILU
[08:39] <dazed__> it made it
[08:39] <dazed__> thanks for help guys
[08:39] <ian> crimsun: turns out I needed libglib2.0-dev.deb
[08:39] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Please don't feed the trolls.
[08:39] <dazed__> im in w00h00
[08:39] <crimsun> ian: ah. Next time, more informative errors are helpful. :-)
[08:39] <dazed__> im so excited now
[08:40] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Take it easy. :-)
[08:40] <guiman> crimsun: well, cool. Small world.
[08:40] <dazed__> ok now theres a problem
[08:40] <dazed__> theres an X just chillen in the middle of my screen
[08:40] <Deep7> crimsun, sorry to be a pain but I've a lot riding on the missin document
[08:40] <dazed__> its the X cursor before it loads GDM
[08:41] <dazed__> and the ubu cursor
[08:41] <DarthFrog> dazed__: That's the hardware cursor.
[08:41] <crimsun> Deep7: I'm afraid I can't tell you aside from looking the temp directories
[08:41] <DarthFrog> Move a window about and it'll disappear.
[08:41] <geneo93> can you get login dazed__
[08:41] <crimsun> Deep7: /tmp, /var/tmp, ~/.openoffice*
[08:41] <dazed__> DarthFrog: hwo do i get rid of it?
[08:42] <dazed__> yeah it loads up GDM and i login fine and im in Gnome right now the X is just chillen
[08:42] <geneo93> sudo apt-get install ubuntudesk
[08:42] <Deep7> ~/.openoffice has a .lock...hrmmm...
[08:43] <ian> dazed__: I get the same thing.  note that if you alt-drag a window it disappears
[08:43] <dazed__> does ubuntu come with ndiswrapper?
[08:43] <geneo93> Deep7:  try sudo
[08:43] <Deep7> geneo93, sorry ?
[08:43] <dazed__> tahnks ian that did the trick
[08:43] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Yes.
[08:44] <geneo93> root command in terminal
[08:44] <dazed__> DarthFrog: didnt even realize u told me to do same thing like 6 lines up lol thanks to you too
[08:45] <Deep7> geneo93, sudo to who,
[08:45] <DarthFrog> dazed__:  Read the FAQ on www.ubuntu.com about disabling the hardware cursor.
[08:45] <dazed__> okie doke
[08:45] <Deep7> I'm not sure what you're aiming at....but I'm willing to try anything at this point
[08:45] <geneo93> i dunno the default passwd
[08:46] <Deep7> geneo93, I have full access to the file system
[08:46] <Deep7> I just have to establish where OO saves the backup file
[08:46] <netpuppy> root@hoary:~ # linux32 /tmp/tribes2-install/setup.sh
[08:46] <netpuppy>   /tmp/tribes2-install/setup.sh: line 53:  5622 Segmentation fault      "$setup" $*
[08:46] <netpuppy> The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.0
[08:46] <geneo93> for got that part live cds are a pain
[08:46] <DarthFrog> geneo93: There is no default password.
[08:46] <geneo93> crimsun:  whats thee default passwd for live cd
[08:47] <geneo93> is there a root terminal
[08:48] <dazed__> damn now  i have to read on how to mount ntfs filesystems on boot
[08:48] <garrut> i'm running gnome 2.10 on hoary with a dual screen setup using nvidia's twinview. on my left screen i've got a panel with a window list in it. the window list shows the windows from my left and my right screen, but i only want it to show the windows from the left screen. it was working that way in my fedora core 3 setup. can anybody help me with this?
[08:49] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Easy, peasy.  Set them up in fstab. :-)
[08:49] <ian> anyone else experience the workspace switcher popup not going away when you let go of the ctrl/alt keys?
[08:49] <crimsun> geneo93: I haven't used the recent live cd, sorry.
[08:49] <WebMaven_> How do I get Ubuntu to recognize my wireless?
[08:50] <netpuppy> garrut: At least for the fglrx drivers you need some "Dual Head" setup
[08:50] <dazed__> im still new to linux so i dunno how to do some of the easy stuff still lol
[08:50] <netpuppy> E.g. not clone nor xinerama
[08:51] <garrut> i've got my dual head set up with nvidia's twinview
[08:51] <GNAM> wow, when i try nvidia on xorg.conf I don't see anything, so i turned to nv
[08:51] <geneo93> dazed__:  dont worry about it i've been using it a long time and still know very little
[08:51] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Well then, you'll learn a lot by sussing out what I meant by setting them up in fstab.  :-)  It's your homework.
[08:51] <e-Jah> lut/hi
[08:51] <netpuppy> garrut: deal head meaning that you run independant instances of X on both heads
[08:52] <geneo93> dazed__:  i can help you with fstab if you need help
[08:52] <netpuppy> garrut: you could run different window managers for that matter
[08:52] <WebMaven_> Ijust installed Hoary on this new Averatec AV3250HX80, and as far as I can tell, everything works but the wireless.
[08:52] <dazed__> lol...i got the general idea of fstab...its where it sets up the directories and folders and stuff i think cuz i remember when i was pimping out my knoppix id save stuff to fstab cuz it was a live disc..
[08:52] <garrut> yeah, but i like it better this way with a stretched desktop
[08:52] <DarthFrog> WebMaven_: What chipset does your wireless nic use?
[08:53] <dazed__> geneo93: ill probably be calling on you in a lil im going to read up on how to do it and if i run into some snags ill holler at you. :)
[08:53] <netpuppy> garrut: uhm, was it that way in fedora too?
[08:53] <garrut> yep
[08:53] <geneo93> k np
[08:53] <garrut> and the window list only showed windows from the screen it was on then
[08:53] <netpuppy> garrut: stretched (you could move a window from one screen to the other) AND gnome-panel only showing windows from each screen?
[08:54] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, according to this page: http://yencer.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2&sid=2157305b40ebe36aaa4fb56e2fd2fc2b it has an RT2500
[08:54] <garrut> netpuppy: that's right
[08:54] <netpuppy> hmm, maybe fedora used xinerama instead of nvidia's crap
[08:54] <dazed__> damn it feels like 20 minutes ago it was 12 am now its 2....whered the time go
[08:55] <garrut> no in fedora i also used twinvieuw
[08:55] <netpuppy> garrut: can I see your xorg.conf?
[08:55] <netpuppy> garrut: err.. so your config is the same?!
[08:55] <dazed__> are NTFS only mounted read only?
[08:55] <DarthFrog> WebMaven_:  The RT2500 has an Open Source driver project on Sourceforge.  I couldn't get it to compile for me, though.   However, Ubuntu does have ndiswrapper.  You could use that with the Windows driver.
[08:56] <GNAM> where can I find kernel changelog history?
[08:56] <DarthFrog> dazed__: yes.  Linux can't yet safely write to NTFS partitions.
[08:56] <geneo93> hmmm my juk wont worky now
[08:56] <dazed__> hwo do u launch ndiswrapper...no success in command
[08:56] <netpuppy> DarthFrog: yes it can
[08:56] <dazed__> damn...
[08:56] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, what do I need to do?
[08:56] <netpuppy> DarthFrog: very limited though
[08:56] <geneo93> GNAM:  kernel.org
[08:56] <DarthFrog> dazed__:  Apt-get it.
[08:56] <dazed__> so im going to have to re partition out another ext3 file system for my Linux downloads lol
[08:56] <garrut> netpuppy, my old xorg.conf didn't work for some reason, but it's basically the same now
[08:57] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, what do I need to do?
[08:57] <netpuppy> garrut: doesn't make much sense to me... maybe dual display support got removed in 2.10? ;)
[08:58] <DarthFrog> WebMaven_:
[08:58] <DarthFrog> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[08:58] <streetbmx> can someone help me. i totally pucked up my grub install.
[08:58] <netpuppy> ahh... or maybe the ubuntu binaries aren't compiled with xinerama support
[08:58] <garrut> netpuppy, everything works just fine, it's just the window list, because it shows windows from both screens there are like a billion windows in it :)
[08:59] <netpuppy> garrut: yeah, I get it
[08:59] <netpuppy> garrut: I think you'll have to recompile gnome-panel or/and metacity with xinerama dev packages installed
[09:00] <garrut> yeah i could give that a try
[09:01] <garrut> last night i installed xcompmgr, that works great
[09:01] <garrut> brb
[09:03] <geneo93> dazed__:  i over here chatting in beshare atm
[09:05] <DarthFrog> dazed__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor
[09:05] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, darn, the driver is a self-extracting executable.
[09:06] <DarthFrog> WebMaven_: Try just unzipping it.
[09:06] <dazed__> beshare geno93?
[09:06] <geneo93> yeah its a file sharing chat app for beos
[09:07] <dazed__> cool cool
[09:07] <geneo93> dazed__:  i have a client for linux
[09:07] <lizdeika> there is one for linux too. PyChat
[09:08] <dazed__> is it a good file sharing program?
[09:08] <geneo93> i use unizone has much more power
[09:08] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, no go.
[09:09] <geneo93> well used to be when we had many users dazed__
[09:10] <DarthFrog> WebMaven_: Sorry, I've never done it myself.
[09:10] <DarthFrog> We
[09:10] <membreya> anyone here know if I add a module that's loaded as part of the kernel, will it stop loading?
[09:10] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, I guess I'll switch to win to get the driver. bbl.
[09:10] <membreya> ie I want to disable agpart so nvagp can load
[09:11] <DarthFrog> membreya: If it's compiled into the kernel, you're out of luck.
[09:11] <DarthFrog> membreya: You could always rename the agpgart.ko file to something else. :-)
[09:12] <geneo93> if you use the nvidia kernel it aint
[09:12] <dazed__> lol i understand
[09:12] <membreya> what do you mean geneo93 ?
[09:13] <geneo93> nvidia kernel headers
[09:13] <membreya> see my dmesg shows "NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded!"
[09:13] <garrut> where do i put my mousethemes again?
[09:13] <geneo93> mine worked fine out of the box
[09:14] <membreya> and I'm only getting 460fps on glxgears :|
[09:14] <geneo93> only
[09:14] <membreya> geneo93: it's an amd64 3200 with a geforce4000 (yes crappy vid but hey)
[09:15] <geneo93> 6463 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1292.600 FPS
[09:15] <Anubis> anyone here with a MS intellimouse that does not scroll?
[09:15] <membreya> see geneo93
[09:16] <membreya> nope, mine works perfectly Anubis, I even have the side wheels doing stuff :)
[09:16] <ghostie> hi, doesnt apt-get work on the live cd?
[09:16] <Anubis> I don't have side wheels
[09:16] <ghostie> i get: E: Method http has died unexpectedly
[09:16] <ghostie> when doing apt-get update
[09:16] <Anubis> just a very simple optical usb MS intllimouse
[09:17] <membreya> geneo93: in your dmesg, does it say it's using nvagp or agpart?
[09:17] <geneo93> membreya:  where did you get nvidia drivers
[09:17] <Anubis> membreya, I'd like to see your relevant xorg.conf section
[09:18] <dazed__> is the windows partition always going to be hda1?
[09:18] <geneo93> yes dazed
[09:19] <membreya> geneo93: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux.html
[09:19] <dazed__> i got this error when trying to mount my ntfs 'wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock, on /dev/hda1, or too many mounted file systems'
[09:21] <dazed__> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[09:21] <quarupt> membreya, your using ATI/
[09:21] <quarupt> ?
[09:22] <dazed||lap> geno93: still around?
[09:22] <quarupt> dazed what does uname -a   say?
[09:23] <geneo91> damn dun
[09:23] <quarupt> membreya, you using ATI?
[09:23] <membreya> grrrrf
[09:23] <membreya> quarupt: nope, nvidia
[09:23] <quarupt> k
[09:23] <dazed||lap> Linux initiaL <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:23] <dazed||lap> quarupt:
[09:23] <quarupt> are you sure that the FS you are mounting is NTFS?
[09:24] <dazed||lap> wellihave an ntfs filesystem
[09:24] <membreya> why don't you just do a mount -t auto ?
[09:24] <dazed||lap> and i want to mount it
[09:24] <quarupt> i know
[09:24] <dazed||lap> so yes
[09:24] <quarupt> do me a favor print your partition table in #flood
[09:24] <dazed||lap> membreya where does it mount to with that?
[09:25] <dazed||lap> quarupt: hwo cna i bring up my part table
[09:25] <membreya> obviously you have to do a sudo mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /media/mountpoint
[09:25] <geneo91> maybe media
[09:25] <membreya> dazed__: do a sudo fdisk -l
[09:26] <quarupt> goto flood and do /exec -o sudo fdisk -l
[09:26] <quarupt> that wont work
[09:26] <quarupt> cause sudo
[09:26] <quarupt> damn it
[09:26] <dazed||lap> ok my windows is FAT and my hda2 is my ntfs
[09:26] <dazed||lap> thats where it went wrong
[09:26] <membreya> :P
[09:26] <quarupt> I knew we could resolve it by looking at yur partition table
[09:26] <membreya> face red there dazed||lap ? :P
[09:27] <dazed||lap> lil bit
[09:27] <dazed||lap> lol
[09:27] <quarupt> heh
[09:27] <geneo91> he didn't say he had two windows in stalled
[09:27] <quarupt> Man i wish wine installed automatically with all the winetools
[09:28] <quarupt> he might not, maybe just one system part and one for storage
[09:29] <geneo91> well i know xp uses a dos type partition for boot
[09:29] <quarupt> screw MS
[09:29] <quarupt> Im sick of it
[09:29] <geneo91> fat i mean
[09:29] <dazed__> geno91: i only have one windows installed
[09:29] <quarupt> I want all software compaies to start looking to the future and start porting everything for linux
[09:29] <dazed__> when installing windows it automatically parted out FAT for the windows and NTFS for the storage
[09:29] <dazed__> yeah
[09:30] <geneo91> yup my words also
[09:30] <quarupt> I would kill for Dreamweaver in linux
[09:30] <quarupt> Wine is too broken to do it
[09:30] <geneo91> i have 98se just 5 gig out of 366 gigs
[09:30] <dazed__> ok i have downloaded drivers for my wireless lan card and the only .INF files in the folder are AUTORUN and lsbcmnds ... any ideas which either would be?
[09:31] <quarupt> maybe you need ndiswrapper
[09:31] <dazed__> i know i need ndiswrapper
[09:31] <geneo91> dazed reboot the thing
[09:31] <dazed__> but im just exploring so i know where to point ndiswrapper
[09:31] <ian> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp  -- configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[09:31] <Gandalfar> I have a computer without cdrom drive or floppy disk. Are there any usb netinstall images for hoary?
[09:31] <geneo91> and see if they load
[09:32] <ctr> ian: have you got the develloper tools installed?
[09:32] <cef> daniels: hey, you about?
[09:32] <quarupt> can your BIOS boot a usb device?
[09:32] <ian> ctr: probably not, I've added a few random packages since cd install
[09:32] <ian> ctr: which ones?
[09:33] <ian> cpp is rather old:  cpp (GCC) 3.2.2 20030222
[09:33] <geneo91> ian:  what about boot lan first
[09:33] <quarupt> whats a good graphical C++ enviroment app?
[09:34] <geneo91> pqt designer
[09:34] <daniels> cef	yo
[09:34] <membreya> damn agpart hurting my system :(
[09:35] <quarupt> pqt designer?
[09:35] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, I have the driver, but which of the following files is it: rt2500.cat Rt2500.INF rt2500.sys ?
[09:35] <quarupt> inf
[09:35] <quarupt> inf is a windows driver
[09:36] <cef> daniels: got a weird ass laptop screen for you.. 1440 x 900
[09:36] <WebMaven_> quarupt, where on my system should I put it?
[09:36] <dazed__> lol
[09:36] <quarupt> I dunno, look into ndiswrapper docs
[09:36] <cef> daniels: warty gets the res right, but of course, there is no mode entries for it.. so it pushes it down the list to 1400 x 1050
[09:36] <ian> ctr: is there a special developer tools package or are you talking about autoconf/automake etc.?
[09:36] <visor> do you guys know if gnome (in ubuntu) uses other file-monitor software (iirc it used to use fam) because it seems that nautilus doesnt update new entries at least in the desktop
[09:36] <dazed__> WebMaven_ u need ndiswrapper to load it
[09:36] <daniels> cef: hmm ... what sort of chipset?
[09:37] <geneo91> maybe its just qt designer in here
[09:37] <WebMaven_> dazed__, yes, I got this page from DarthFrog: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[09:37] <cef> daniels: nvidia GeForce2Go 5200FX
[09:37] <daniels> cef: hmm, bong
[09:37] <daniels> let me check out if it works in hoary
[09:37] <dazed__> yes i read it too
[09:38] <WebMaven_> but it doesn't say where on the FS to put the driver (for consistencies sake, at least).
[09:38] <cef> daniels: well mainly just the lcd res is the issue..
[09:38] <quarupt> how do ya start ftpd /etc/init.d/ftpd doesnt exist?
[09:38] <cef> daniels: currently dual boot so I can check things in XP if necessary
[09:38] <scizzo> y0
[09:39] <membreya> oooo nvidia also has updated nforce drivers out :)
[09:39] <membreya> means not having to use forcedeth anymore but using nvnet :)
[09:39] <daniels> cef: yeah
[09:39] <WebMaven_> where do drivers go, according to the linux filesystem layout convention?
[09:40] <geneo91> hehe i have 7 oses on this box
[09:40] <dazed__> jeeze geno91
[09:40] <quarupt> is there a way to get Java Desktop for Linux?
[09:40] <cef> daniels: of course, currently i has warty on it.. going to upgrade to hoary soonish
[09:40] <dazed__> cant pick one?
[09:40] <dazed__> lol
[09:41] <geneo91> 4 linux distros 2 beos and only 5 gig for windows
[09:41] <Anubis> whats the cmd to have X generate a xorg.conf file?
[09:41] <ctr> ian: as in binutils, gcc and chums
[09:41] <WebMaven_> quarupt, DarthFrog, dazed__, where do I put the driver?
[09:42] <Adross> how do i add beep media player skins?
[09:42] <dazed__> have u loaded it with ndiswrapper?
[09:42] <membreya> dang, forcedeth is compiled in my module .. I don't wanna recompile my kernel :'(
[09:42] <aspuru>  nvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-26 (possibly more) <--- just to check... one gets a black screen?
[09:42] <WebMaven_> dazed__, you're not listening.
[09:43] <dazed__> i dont get what ur saying
[09:43] <geneo91> aspuru:  its not mine is fine
[09:43] <WebMaven_> before I load it with ndiswrapper, I need to put it on my FS somewhere. Where do I put it?
[09:43] <dazed__> u get the driver
[09:43] <dazed__> and then u load it with ndiswrapper
[09:43] <aspuru> WebMaven: The drivers are installed in a default location after using ndiswrapper -i
[09:43] <dazed__> and it should config the device to work after that
[09:43] <aspuru> don't worry about it
[09:43] <Anubis> whats the cmd to have X generate a xorg.conf file?
[09:43] <dazed__> anywhere u want
[09:43] <cef> daniels: well I can visit with said lappy too btw
[09:43] <dazed__> desktop
[09:43] <aspuru> geneo91: ok: my nvidia setup ended up with a black screen no matter what I do
[09:44] <aspuru> WebMaben: /tmp :P
[09:44] <dazed__> doesnt matter where u put it
[09:44] <dazed__> /home/user/anywhere
[09:44] <garrut> aspuru, use the new 7167
[09:44] <WebMaven_> Ah, I see. Thank you. Sounds like it should have been called ndisinstaller.
[09:44] <aspuru> garrut: You mean, installing by hand and not using synaptic?
[09:44] <geneo91> aspuru:  did you follow instructions
[09:45] <aspuru> geneo91: yep. followed instructions from forums/ faq.
[09:45] <garrut> yeah i think synaptic still gets the old ones
[09:45] <aspuru> geneo91:  My system modprobes the nvidia module at boot
[09:45] <aspuru> geneo91:  Activated thigns with nvidia-glx-config
[09:46] <aspuru> and it doesn't work...
[09:46] <geneo91> hmmm wonder why mine works fine with 6629 then
[09:46] <quarupt> GRRR I wanna install the Star Office 8 Beta but, its a script based install, that calls rpms????
[09:46] <Anubis> whats the cmd to have X generate a xorg.conf file?
[09:46] <membreya> will adding modules to /etc/modules override the modules inbuilt in the kernel?
[09:46] <aspuru> garrut: ok. I will install by hand then :) I assume I have to remove all the .debs related to nvidia? or shall I leave them and they are overwritten?
[09:47] <garrut> yeah just run the installer
[09:47] <geneo91> quarupt:  use alien
[09:47] <quarupt> geneo91, how, the script calls rpms not debs and its over 20 packages
[09:47] <ian> ctr: got libtools-dev but that didn't do it
[09:47] <geneo91> hehe i install java with rpm
[09:48] <aspuru> thanks garrut :)
[09:48] <quarupt> id have to edit the script and alien every package
[09:48] <daniels> cef: ah yeah, my home situation is a little fluid these days unfortunately
[09:48] <aspuru> i'll do it tomorrow :P
[09:48] <garrut> Anubis: xorgconfig
[09:48] <quarupt> so did i but that was just one package
[09:48] <ctr> ian: you need to install the various developer packages
[09:48] <cef> daniels: well I'm going to hoary anyway.. would it be worth it to do it via a new install (nothing I need to keep on it) or will a dist-upgrade still provide useful into
[09:48] <quarupt> membreya, ya there?
[09:48] <ctr> ian: like gcc, cpp, etc
[09:48] <cef> daniels: doh!
[09:48] <_axel> i noticed that if you build the nvidia kernel module using nvidia-kernel-source from sid and kernel-package,the module gets installed in /lib/modules/2.6.10, but the right location would be /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386, so you have to do cp /lib/modules/2.6.10/nvidia/nvidia.ko /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko... any workaround for this when building the package?
[09:48] <cef> daniels: so moved again?
[09:49] <daniels> cef: in the middle of doing so, yeah
[09:49] <geneo91> quarupt:  just get it in rpm
[09:49] <WebMaven_> Hmm.
[09:49] <daniels> cef: both would be useful, really
[09:49] <cef> daniels: no fun
[09:49] <WebMaven_> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[09:49] <daniels> cef: ah well, it'll be over eventually
[09:49] <aspuru> WEb: did you do it with su ?
[09:49] <aspuru> sudo i mean
[09:49] <cef> daniels: I'll try a dist upgrade first.. then if it's still crap, I'll see about doing a new install using the preview
[09:49] <WebMaven_> aspuru, did it as root
[09:49] <daniels> cef: sure, thanks a heap :) probably just needs a wacky modeline
[09:49] <membreya> im here quarupt
[09:50] <dazed__> WebMaven_ did u apt-get it?
[09:50] <quarupt> geneo91, what do you mean, there is only one installer its a script that launches a gui, then the gui tells you its going to install like 20 packages, then it fails cause there all RPM's
[09:50] <dazed__> or u trying to compile it urself?
[09:50] <WebMaven_> dazed__, yes.
[09:50] <cef> daniels: that's what I'm guessing.. 1440 x 900 is the lcd's native res anyway
[09:50] <quarupt> membreya, can you help with this maybe?
[09:50] <daniels> cef: yeah
[09:50] <dazed__> yes what?
[09:50] <dazed__> u apt-get it ?
[09:50] <aspuru> quarupt: openoffice <grin>
[09:50] <WebMaven_> dazed__, apt-get
[09:50] <dazed__> hmm
[09:50] <quarupt> No, I wanna try Star Office
[09:50] <dazed__> awkward
[09:51] <quarupt> The system requirments dont say anything about need RPM
[09:51] <geneo91> quarupt:  maybe you can use kpackage
[09:51] <quarupt> needing
[09:51] <dazed__> type 'sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper' exactly
[09:51] <quarupt> whats kpackage
[09:51] <ian> ctr: those seem to all be in place.  I mean /lib/cpp exists...
[09:51] <WebMaven_> dazed__, I did it with synaptic.
[09:51] <quarupt> Im not trying to install an RPM
[09:51] <geneo91> package handler for kde
[09:51] <quarupt> im using a script that is ttrying to Install many RPM's
[09:52] <quarupt> you have to try to install it to see what I mean
[09:52] <cef> daniels: got any pointers on what modeline to add? (or even just details on creating said modeline)
[09:52] <aspuru> quarupt: If you "really" want to do it, you could even build your own RPM database. I have built an RPM database on a supercomputer running AIX :) everyhing is possible :P
[09:52] <quarupt> https://sdlcweb4a.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet/LegalPage:~:com.sun.sunit.sdlc.content.LegalWebPageInfo;jsessionid=475F9D2EBDC3CB30E2300855E9C06EF3;jsessionid=475F9D2EBDC3CB30E2300855E9C06EF3
[09:52] <geneo91> it'll do any kinda of package even tar.gz
[09:52] <quarupt> try to run the script you will know what I mean
[09:52] <WebMaven_> dazed__, ndiswrapper isn't found, I installed ndiswrapper-utils
[09:53] <geneo91> quarupt:  i have before way back at 5.2
[09:53] <dazed__> ok then do that
[09:53] <quarupt> membreya, can ya try to install it to see what I mean?
[09:53] <dazed__> i dunno why its not permitting u
[09:53] <dazed__> if u do it sudo
[09:53] <dazed__> it should work
[09:53] <quarupt> geneo91, this is different the installer is different
[09:53] <dwa_> are you talking about the module WebMaven_ ?
[09:53] <ctr> ian: check config.log and see what is causing it to fail
[09:53] <daniels> cef: no ideas, sorry -- usually the best answer is google
[09:54] <daniels> cef: modelines are generally beyond me
[09:54] <geneo91> na its the same old thing
[09:54] <ian> ctr: cc1plus
[09:54] <dballester> hi to all
[09:54] <daniels> anyway, I've gotta find myself some food, bbiab
[09:54] <dwa_> the module is in another package
[09:54] <ctr> ian: ahhh, apt-get install g++ :)
[09:54] <ian> ctr: thank you :)
[09:54] <WebMaven_> Hmm.
[09:54] <WebMaven_> sudo ndiswrapper -l
[09:54] <WebMaven_> Installed ndis drivers:
[09:54] <WebMaven_> rt2500  invalid driver!
[09:54] <geneo91> quarupt:  sun dont make a debian package
[09:54] <ctr> ian: I have had that problem before myself, I knew is was relatively straight forward
[09:54] <quarupt> its so hard to explain the problem, someone just needs to try and install it
[09:55] <iSuperman> what read speed should I be getting with hdparm on a properly configured 16x DVD reader?
[09:55] <cef> daniels: ahh well.. pity there isn't a windows prog that you could run and get it to spit out a modeline for the current display settings
[09:55] <ian> ctr: I'll be at this for a while.  this app has lots of fancy/new/rare dependencies ;)
[09:55] <quarupt> geneo91, I have been trying to tell you, ITS NOT AN RPM its a script based installer (.sh) its just calling RPM's during the install
[09:55] <WebMaven_> dazed__, any advice?
[09:56] <dazed__> im trying now
[09:56] <aspuru> good nite!
[09:56] <geneo91> well then it not for debian then
[09:56] <dazed__> im doing it myself
[09:56] <quarupt> its not for any specific distro
[09:56] <cef> daniels: any decent local/fast mirrors in au?
[09:56] <dazed__> it set up fine for me i went into ngnome terminal and typed 'sudo apt-get instal ndiswrapper-utils'
[09:56] <quarupt> the system requirments dont even say you need RPM
[09:56] <dazed__> and it worked fine
[09:57] <quarupt> SOMEONE PLZ try this http://www.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/beta/get.xml
[09:57] <iSuperman> cef: has your isp got a mirror?
[09:57] <membreya> what's the easiest way to tell what module my network card is using?
[09:57] <cef> iSuperman: optus? not that I know of
[09:57] <WebMaven_> Well, ndiswrapper-utils does seem to be installed correctly. But it's not installing the driver when I tell it to.
[09:57] <cef> iSuperman: nup
[09:57] <ctr> ian: just shout if you need help, what app if I may ask ?
[09:57] <geneo91> guar i bet there is a diff one for deb based distros
[09:58] <quarupt> no if ya look at the link theres only one installer
[09:58] <iSuperman> cef: i missed what you were after, ubuntu?
[09:58] <WebMaven_> sudo ndiswrapper -e rt2500
[09:58] <WebMaven_> sudo ndiswrapper -l
[09:58] <WebMaven_> No drivers installed
[09:58] <cef> iSuperman: yeah.. ubuntu mirror.. 17k a sec isn't fast
[09:58] <quarupt> Maybe theres an option you can use tith the script so it doesnt use RPMs
[09:58] <WebMaven_> so, uninstalling the bad driver works
[09:59] <WebMaven_> and, actually, installing it works to, except it says it's a bad driver.
[10:00] <quarupt> there must be a way to install this package on debian
[10:00] <WebMaven_> so, maybe the inf file is the wrong one?
[10:01] <dazed__> ok my network card does not have a .inf for it
[10:01] <dazed__> my wireless card*(
[10:01] <geneo91> quarupt:  http://supportforum.sun.com/staroffice/index.php?t=msg&goto=7534&rid=0
[10:02] <iSuperman> cef: http://ftp.debian.pacific.net.au/ubuntu/
[10:02] <WebMaven_> dazed__, Aha! I figured it out!
[10:02] <iSuperman> cef: I use internode and their mirror hammers...
[10:02] <dazed__> did u get ur wireless card up?
[10:02] <WebMaven_> ndiswrapper needs all files in the le.same directory, even when you just give it the inf fi
[10:03] <WebMaven_> the inf file.
[10:03] <WebMaven_> testing..
[10:03] <dballester> WebWaven, i doesn't read all thread, but are trying to install a ralink based wireless ?
[10:03] <cef> iSuperman: ahh cool.. yeah internode rocks.. unfortunately I'm on optus here.. not my choice (housemates)
[10:03] <dazed__> i ndiswrapper'd my lsbcmnds.inf which i dont think is the .inf do i need all the other stuff?
[10:04] <geneo91> quarupt:  its just beta thats why
[10:04] <quarupt> Yea but only way to get Star Office free that I have seen
[10:04] <WebMaven_> dazed__, looks like it.
[10:05] <WebMaven_> Going offline, be back in a bit.
[10:05] <geneo91> yup did you read that whole thing about it crashing leaving no xplanation
[10:06] <quarupt> well if I could find 7 for free i would use it
[10:07] <djp> hi ubuntu world!
[10:08] <geneo91> quarupt:  mldonkey has it i believe
[10:08] <geneo91> opps
[10:08] <quarupt> whats mldonkey, a P2P?
[10:08] <geneo91> yeah
[10:08] <dballester> hi to all. I'm trying to install ubuntu in a Dell PowerEdge with Perc Raid adapter, but installation doesn't load megaraid module and i cans't see the hard disks. Any tip in how to load the megaraid driver?
[10:08] <djp> right... i would like to know how you go about fixing the default version of cdrecord that comes with warty! it is apparently, a modified version and tells me the device is busy along with other strange warnings... any help most appreciated
[10:08] <geneo91> shh
[10:09] <WebMaven__> Whoo!
[10:09] <WebMaven__> I'm back online, via wireless!
[10:10] <dballester> WebMaven what wireless devire are you using?
[10:10] <dazed__> WebMaven__
[10:10] <dazed__> nnow ur going to have to help me
[10:10] <dazed__> lol
[10:10] <dazed__> i have a folder with all the .inf .sys .cat files that i downloaded as drivers for my wlan card
[10:11] <dazed__> i used ndiswrapper to install both .inf files
[10:11] <dballester> dazed__ whaht wireloess device are webmaven__
[10:11] <dballester> ops
[10:11] <dazed__> its still not picking up my card
[10:11] <dballester> what wireless device is using webmaven__/dazed__ ?
[10:12] <dazed__> im using Linksys Wireless G with speedbooster
[10:12] <djp> anyone use cdrecord here?
[10:13] <HcE> djp: I do
[10:13] <dballester> this device is ralink chipset based? I read before that webmaven__ was trying to use rt2500 deriver
[10:13] <membreya> hooray, using blacklist I now have nvsound and nvnet loading as modules :D
[10:15] <djp> HcE: just read that there is a bug report regards cdrecord
[10:15] <HcE> djp: ok, I'm on a Debian system now, and cdrecord worked fine yesterday
[10:16] <djp> HcE: sure. there is a debian version that you can download to fix the issue... i am reading the bug report and that appears to attempt to fix the modified version in ubuntu...
[10:16] <HcE> djp: debian are at version 2.01+01a01-2
[10:17] <sleg> hello
[10:18] <sleg> does anybody know how to change the kernel at the install ??
[10:18] <sleg> with ubuntu hoary
[10:18] <scizzo> sleg: depends on what kernel?
[10:18] <scizzo> sleg: did you read the F1 and so on text?
[10:19] <sleg> I want to boot on 2.6.10
[10:19] <scizzo> sleg: there is help in the install directly when you start....you just have to press F1 and so on
[10:19] <scizzo> that you will have to get after...I guess
[10:19] <sleg> yes but I didn't find anything for this !
[10:20] <sleg> because I try to install ubuntu on my dell inspiron 6000
[10:20] <scizzo> ok?
[10:20] <sleg> ubuntu doesn't find the CD player
[10:20] <scizzo> but if you install the normal kernel and then after upgrade to 2.6.10?
[10:21] <sleg> I can't install it !
[10:21] <scizzo> sleg: is the bios correctly setup then?
[10:22] <sleg> yes I think (I tried knoppix that found the CD player (with another error :(
[10:22] <WebMaven__> is there a wireless network monitor applet?
[10:22] <scizzo> hmmm...I think you should look at the bios again and see how you have setup the boot devices
[10:23] <quarupt> who uses mldonkey?
[10:23] <sleg> I do boot on the CD but during the install, when ubuntu try to load modules, it fails
[10:23] <scizzo> for example my Toshiba needs to be told what device to boot on startup...if I don't tell it to F3 or something and then boot from CDrom then it will auto boot from the harddrive
[10:23] <scizzo> sleg: what error is that then?
[10:23] <scizzo> sleg: that it can't find the CD?
[10:24] <sleg> It says : "No commun CDROM drives was detected"
[10:24] <scizzo> sleg: I had that problem also....when burning the CD to hard....if I burned the CD with x8 then it was no problem..but using x16 or something like that...then a lot of information got badly burned on the CD