[08:59] <mkdalm85> hi
[09:00] <mkdalm85> xz
[17:56] <Christoffer[m]> There!
[17:56] <Christoffer[m]>  * There! (Sorry, but managed to get in)
[17:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Awesome, Christoffer ! Remember this is support, but you're welcome to chat in the Cafe as much as you want. :)
[21:12] <vertex_sound1> Hello to everyone! I'm want to reset audio in Ubuntu 18.04 to default and I'm instructed to do that with this line:  " sudo aptitude --purge reinstall linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils linux-image-`uname -r` linux-ubuntu-modules-`uname -r` libasound2 " . But, Terminal tells me that there is no aptitude command, than I cannot use auto-apt, than after I tried apt-get tels me that it doesn't understands --purge. So, does anyone knows is it
[21:12] <vertex_sound1> better to do a --purge without reinstall and after that reinstall or to go with reinstall without --purge, or if there's some other better way to set audio stuff to default?
[21:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> vertex_sound1Are you using the backports PPA?
[21:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-backports | vertex_sound1
[21:16] <vertex_sound1> Ok Eickmeyer and ubottu. I'll check that. Thank you!
[21:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> vertex_sound1: Obviously you don't have that added. Without that PPA, 18.04 ended life a year ago.
[21:18] <vertex_sound1> Unfortunately I am tied up just for 18.04 because of radeon graphics support ( or 16.04 ) in RadeonProRender.
[21:23] <vertex_sound1> I've messed up audio experimenting with pulseaudio, QjackCtrl, alsa in between , in attempt to get midi and audio together in Ardur. Now there's no sound at all, or audio devices on screen.
[21:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> vertex_sound1: radeon graphics is in the kernel, unless you have a very specific reason to have the PRO driver, you don't need it.
[21:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> What I'm saying is that unless you add that PPA, we cannot give you support. You need the ubuntustudio-controls in that PPA.
[21:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> vertex_sound1: ^
[21:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> vertex_sound1: As far as downgrading packages, I don't know why you'd do that. The packages don't store the configs, that's in your ~/.config directory.
[21:36] <vertex_sound1> Thank you. I understand. I need to fix that mess I've made first (I belive) in anyway, because I'm messed up probably some modules, and drivers of alsa.
[21:38] <vertex_sound1> Radeon provides that ProRender engine that suppose to work great.
[21:39] <vertex_sound1> Now it does not at all. It worked on Windows pretty good.
[21:40] <vertex_sound1> Radeon gives to Blender render engine radeon prorender RPR.
[21:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ubuntu is not Windows, and cannot be expected to operate like Winodws. Keep that in mind. As far as fixing your Alsa issue, I don't know, but add that PPA because our support of QJackCtl is depricated.
[21:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> QJackCtl itself is not depricated, but our support for it is, if that makes any sense.
[21:49] <vertex_sound1> Windows has it's own downs. In Ubuntu I got to learn how to work, which is general problem and couse of this situation. It's more complicated but if one knows what to do than is good. I'm learning now.
[21:52] <vertex_sound1> Thank you for support Eickmeyer I read about personal pack and it sounds smart. But first I need to solve this mess I've made.
[22:44] <RJcole45> I am in need of assistance. Trying to partition a disk and add Microsoft OS, having trouble doing that. Help please?
[22:44] <RJcole45> more specifically, the actual act of partitioning the disk is tripping me out
[22:44] <tomreyn> !dualboot
[22:45] <tomreyn> generally, the recommended approach is to install windows first, because it is more picky
[22:46] <tomreyn> also consider virtualization since dual-boot is really a wasp nest IMO
[22:46] <RJcole45> Gotcha, Yea I kinda went gunho and installed ubuntu, but that was 2 years ago. I'm needing windows now for software reasons.
[22:47] <RJcole45> thank you, where can i install that?
[22:48] <tomreyn> virtualiozation? on either OS. a commonly used free desktop virtualization is virtualbox, but there are other options
[22:49] <tomreyn> if you need fast graphics or have only minimal system resources then virtualization is not for you, though.
[22:49] <tomreyn> fast graphics on the gvirtualized system, that is
[22:49] <tomreyn> -g
[22:50] <RJcole45> Ty, no that wont be an issue, but I'll go ahead and try that and report back. Thank you!
[22:50] <tomreyn> you're welcome, good luck.
[22:51] <tomreyn> take a while to read up on virtualization, it#s a weird concept which one needs to get into first of all.
[22:51] <tomreyn> but it makes a lot of sense then ;)
[22:53] <RJcole45> I did study linux for a bit in college, and we did virtualization, but I'll study up and see what comes back to me. Thank you for the help (y) '=D


[12:03] <abongile_> Is anybody getting any help here _ are there perhaps rules I am not aware of?
[12:49] <abongile_> Have just read: /* find mailboxes and ping firmware */
[12:49] <abongile_> 	itv->enc_mbox.mbox = ivtv_search_mailbox(itv->enc_mem, IVTV_ENCODER_SIZE);
[12:49] <abongile_> 	if (itv->enc_mbox.mbox == NULL)
[12:49] <abongile_> 		IVTV_ERR("Encoder mailbox not found\n"), which is clearly anticipated by the software. So how does one fix this and not have ==NULL?
[13:19] <abongile_> Is anybody there?


[01:06] <digdeep> For a couple of days, my ubuntu 15.04 clock is out of sync, even it is configured to sync with the internet


[05:07] <dpb1> lazyPower: It's a general juju problem, afaict.  I filed a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1328269
[07:20] <bigjools> any takers? https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/static-range-in-ui-api/+merge/222590
[07:27] <rvba> bigjools: on it
[07:30] <bigjools> ta
[09:55] <bigjools> rvba: solved my chained task queueing
[09:55] <bigjools> it's rather easy
[09:55] <rvba> bigjools: \o/
[10:05] <bigjools> rvba: create a subtask/signature with mytask.s(args, kwargs)
[10:05] <bigjools> then call .set(queue=foo) on it
[10:05] <bigjools> :)
[10:05] <bigjools> then you can throw them in a chained task, which itself doesn't require any queue applied, you just call its apply_async()
[10:05] <rvba> bigjools: don't you have a special keyword argument to pass that directly when creating the task?
[10:05] <bigjools> no
[10:06] <bigjools> because I am passing the task's args
[10:06] <bigjools> I am instantiating the task, just not executing it
[10:06] <bigjools> rvba: docs.celeryproject.org/en/latest/userguide/canvas.html#signatures
[10:07] <bigjools> there is a way of doing it if you use the string name for the task, but that's rather ugly IMO
[10:08] <rvba> Right, using '.set(queue=foo)' is fine anyway.
[12:53] <gmb> rvba: If you can re-review https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/fix-commissioning-page-distro-list-bug-1312844/+merge/222010 that’d be great. Thanks for your help this morning, too :)
[12:57] <rvba> gmb: I'll have a look now
[13:09] <gmb> rvba: Ah, damn, I’d forgotten the getZZZ() methods. Will fix that. Thanks.
[13:12] <rvba> np
[13:16] <jtv> "Get-some-sleep methods"?
[13:52] <rvba> jtv: allenap: any idea what might be wrong? paste.ubuntu.com/7623634/
[13:52] <rvba> RabbitMQ didn't got installed properly.
[13:52] <jtv> "Yes you're using the mouse buttons to copy/paste from chrome"
[13:52] <rvba> heh
[13:52] <jtv> Hmmm...  dns delay?
[13:53] <rvba> I think it's rabbitMQ not dealing well with the hostname changing or something…
[13:53] <jtv> It's been ages since I heard "DNS can take 15 minutes to propagate" so I have no idea what the status is today, but maybe we're relying on synchronicity when all we have is instantaneity?
[13:54]  * rvba tries to remove and re-install it.
[13:54] <allenap> rvba: It’s not a perfect fit, but http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14659335/rabbitmq-server-fails-to-start-after-hostname-has-changed-since-first-starting has a suggestion.
[13:54] <rvba> Didn't help (purging then restarting rabbitMQ)
[13:55] <jtv> Different error though, no?
[13:55] <rvba> No, same error.
[13:55] <allenap> rvba: Did purging actually remove /var/lib/rabbitmq?
[13:55] <rvba> I used `apt-get purge`.
[14:21] <jtv> rvba, there's another workaround for a similar problem on: http://serverfault.com/questions/225795/error-when-installing-rabbitmq-server-on-ubuntu-10-10
[14:21]  * jtv reboots
[14:40] <rkdemon> HI: I was trying to install maas on another server and I see this message "Import of boot images started on all cluster controllers. Importing the boot images can take a long time depending on the available bandwidth."
[14:41] <rkdemon> Is there an indication anything is happening coz I don't see the boot images ever getting to the cluster
[14:41] <rkdemon> Without this I cannot add a node to the cluster even though I plan to add on VMs to the cluster ?
[14:41] <rkdemon> Any clues anyone ?
[14:44] <rkdemon> When a VM is added as a node to a cluster: the "status" on the node says "commissioning", what does this really mean ?
[15:05] <jtv> rkdemon: to see what's going on with the downloads, have a look in /var/log/maas/celery.log... look for "import."
[15:06] <jtv> A status of "commissioning" means that the node has been told to boot into a temporary environment (not installed on disk) for basic self-check and network discovery.
[15:06] <jtv> Eventually it should contact the server to say that it's done commissioning (whether successfully or not) and its state should become Ready (or Failed, as the case may be).
[16:33] <rkdemon> jtv: thanks
[20:58] <d_`> I have a MAAS region with 2 cluster controllers in it, one is on the same node as the region controller, one is on its own node. all the machines that register against the shared role node work fine, all the nodes that are registering against the stand alone cluster controller are stuck in the declaration process booting the discovery image where it prints the route table out


[00:42] <bananapie> If I install an upstream kernel provided by Ubuntu, is that the same thing as a mainline kernel?
[00:47] <TJ-> From the kernel team mainline PPA? Yes
[00:48] <TJ-> The prebuilt mainline kernels use the Ubuntu config though, to be as compatible as possible without adding any SAUC patches
[07:31] <smb> henrix, Ah thanks. Somehow I'd be interested to hear more details on how (and maybe on what hw) you succeeded. Cause I could not reproduce it with the steps I did before on less critical to me machines
[07:49] <henrix> smb: sure, i'm not in the office yet so i can give you only what i remember.  i do remember the eth card is a realtek using the r8169 driver
[07:53] <smb> henrix, Meh, I could wait for you to be in the office. :) I am not sure the card itself matters as my NAS which showed the bug and my other testbox have exactly the same model. But maybe its something with cpu to network speed (the NAS box is based on Atom, so not very powerful on the cpu side)
[07:56] <henrix> smb: ok, so that was on a lenovo laptop (ideapad something...) with 4 i7 cores, with threads enabled.  so, a bit more powerfull than an atom :)
[07:58] <smb> Hm, ok. So then rather not that. :) Did you need to write stuff for longer or do the crashes happen rather quick?
[07:59] <henrix> smb: no, that was quick.  i just started copying a few M
[08:01] <smb> henrix, Weird. So quite like on my NAS and no clue why the other cases just worked fine without any problem. o.O
[08:02] <henrix> smb: probably not relevant, but the client was running vivid
[08:03] <smb> henrix, No, unlikely since for anything I did (successful or not) I was using the same Trusty client
[08:05] <henrix> smb: i'm still not convinced about the lts-u, though.  i've asked the guy on the bug to post the kernel log, but that didn't happen yet
[08:05] <smb> henrix, yep, saw the bug email
[08:05] <smb> or did not see it (any reply)
[08:06] <henrix> smb: i'll try to reproduce it in lts-u, but it will take me a bit
[08:06] <smb> henrix, ack
[08:46] <jjohansen> AceLan: see your mail, if you run into problems ping me
[08:47] <AceLan> jjohansen: got it, thank you very much
[08:47] <smb> henrix, @linux-stable -> [PATCH stable<3.19] net: handle null iovec pointer in skb_copy_and_csum_datagram_iovec()
[08:49] <henrix> smb: looking
[08:50] <apw> bananapie, TJ- is on the money if you mean the ones from ~kernel-ppa
[08:51] <henrix> smb: aaahhh!
[08:51] <smb> henrix, we are not alone... :-P
[08:51] <apw> henrix, let me guess, a regression in -proposed ?
[08:52] <henrix> apw: of course :)
[08:52] <apw> henrix, oh how we love those
[08:52] <apw> henrix, oh and please don't look at the adt-matrix for the moment, you will have a heart attack and its mostly lying
[08:53] <apw> henrix, an erroneous trigger with junk in a version (caused by another bug) has causes chaos
[08:53] <henrix> apw: yeah, i've been busy with other things so adt-matrix is very low in my priorities at the moment :)
[08:54] <apw> henrix, good, pretend is said nothing :)
[08:55] <jjohansen> AceLan: one more thing, we just use the default config values
[08:56] <AceLan> jjohansen: that means we should align with ubuntu-vivid's apparmor releated options?
[08:57] <jjohansen> AceLan: yes, but you can get that by choosing the default config options when doing updateconfigs
[08:58] <AceLan> jjohansen: ../../../../../../kernel/security/apparmor/domain.c:610:2: error: implicit declaration of function 'task_no_new_privs' [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration]
[08:58] <jjohansen> AceLan: okay give me a few minutes to look at it
[08:58] <AceLan> jjohansen: thanks
[08:59] <AceLan> jjohansen: btw, I didn't change kernel options yet
[08:59] <jjohansen> AceLan: thats fine
[08:59] <smb> apw, henrix is busy trying to handle all the "good news" I seem to provide most of recently
[09:00] <apw> smb, how many is that in this set ?
[09:01] <smb> apw, not sure how much it may fall into one thing, but Trusty seemed to potentially have up to 3 regressions... though by the nature it might be one with random things happening to people
[09:02] <apw> smb, oh googy
[09:14] <AceLan> jjohansen: I don't want to occupy you too much time, no worries, I think I can fix this issue by myself. And I have to leave now, I'll contact you if I need your help next week, thanks a lot :)
[09:22] <jjohansen> ok, bye AceLan
[09:30] <who_me> hi, guys, why isn't the latest mainline building properly on x64? I see something about ZFS in the logs
[09:31] <who_me> actually both 4.2.4 and 4.1.11 are affected
[09:31] <smb> henrix, Yay! So this other system I just set up is usable to be unusable after writing doing the test. So that can be used for reproduction
[09:32] <henrix> smb: cool!
[09:32] <henrix> smb: so.... have you seen the reply to that patch in stable mailing-list?
[09:32] <smb> henrix, not yet
[09:33] <smb> now I did
[09:33] <henrix> smb: looks like a different solution had been posted already a few days ago :-/ i had that patch tagged as 'TODO', but havent actually checked it
[09:36] <smb> henrix, I see... So we could move that or that way or wait a little longer for maybe authoritative feedback...
[09:38] <henrix> smb: or just revert it for now, applying it again once we have a final version
[09:38] <smb> henrix, or that.
[09:39] <smb> henrix, Since that gets is into a place at least no worse than before... maybe the best path
[09:41] <henrix> smb: gahhh! precise also has this commit.  bjf just uploaded it yesterday :)
[09:42] <henrix> at least it hasn't hit -proposed yet
[09:42] <smb> henrix, why stay only half broken of we can be completely broken...
[09:43] <smb> ;-P
[09:43] <henrix> heh, true
[09:43] <apw> henrix, yeah if it is only in CKT then its just buildd time wasted
[09:43] <apw> and maybe an upload number or two
[09:44] <smb> henrix, Just to be careful, I just installed your kernel version of T with the one patch reverted and now might have dhcp issues...
[09:58] <henrix> smb: any idea about what's wrong?  it shouldn't be kernel-related, i guess...
[10:00] <smb> henrix, well dhcp is something multicast so maybe changes that come together but then rely on the one we want to revert... or just coincidentally hw explosion
[10:03] <henrix> smb: yeah, odd
[10:05] <quadrispro> hi all
[10:05] <quadrispro> could anybody have a look at lp#1439111 please?
[10:05] <quadrispro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1439111
[10:05] <quadrispro> it'd be 2-lines patch
[10:07]  * apw looks
[10:07] <apw> ok that made it into v4.3-rc1, dispite what the conmmentary says in the bug
[10:07] <apw> jsalisbury, ^ one for your list perhaps ...
[10:08] <apw> quadrispro, we'll try and get you a test kernel and so on soon ...
[10:08] <quadrispro> apw, true, I believed that was to be included in 4.2
[10:08] <quadrispro> apw, yeah thanks, do you think then we have chances to see that in wily at some point?
[10:08] <apw> quadrispro, yeah must have missed it, it was in the merge window instread
[10:09] <apw> quadrispro, the patch is pretty simple, and if the thing just does not work without it, it is hard to see how it would regress anything, so the chances are above average i'd say
[10:09] <apw> quadrispro, but we need to go through the motions, get a patch tested by you, reviewed etc
[10:10] <quadrispro> apw, I got my better half's Lenovo Yoga 3 11 ready to test it already :)
[10:12] <apw> heh, i know how that works oh so well
[10:13] <quadrispro> not too bad to be honest but yeah, it definitely lacks features
[10:18] <quadrispro> apw, thanks for helping out! i'll sit and wait until something happens on lp #1439111
[10:18] <apw> quadrispro, the guy i asked to have a look is east coast so don't expect it toooo sooon
[10:19] <apw> quadrispro, we are a bit frantic here, its "new release opening" time of the cycle
[10:22] <quadrispro> apw not a problem, my custom kernel has worked good so far. Therefore I can wait, thanks!
[10:40] <smb> henrix, OK... not sure what that was. I went back and forth with the kernels. That box has two NICs one Nvidia nforce and one Marvell. The Nvidia one appeared to get no incoming packets with the test kernel with the revert while the Marvel NIC did work ok. Though maybe the NVidia one which I used for the nfs test first still got spammed by the sender...?
[10:40] <smb> Had to forcefully reboot my desktop. And now I have the other box up with the test kernel with the revert and the Nvidia NIC works still....
[10:41] <smb> henrix, So bottom line... I guess we could proceed with pushing the revert while waiting for the real fix
[10:43] <henrix> smb: cool, thanks!
[10:44] <apw> ogasawara, rtg, i am proceeding with opening repositories for xenial ... i am writing new opening instructions as i go as we've not updated for repos on LP
[12:37] <smb> henrix, Maybe (as soon as the re-spin is out) we should also write a note to the other two bug reports (the mumble and the other NULL pointer deref) we noticed for Trusty to ask them whether maybe that fixes those, too
[12:41] <henrix> smb: ah, good idea
[12:47] <apw> or make one test kernel on any one of them and just ask them to test that
[12:48] <smb> or that, which could be the one henrix already did for the nfs one
[12:49] <henrix> apw: ok, i've already a test kernel so i'll ask that
[17:22] <jsalisbury> quadrispro, apw, I posted a link to a test kernel in bug 1439111
[17:30] <apw> jsalisbury, hey thanks
[17:59] <TJ-> Is the amd64 build failure for mainline v4.2.4-unstable temporary? "rsync: change_dir "/home/kernel/COD/linux//spl" failed: No such file or directory "
[18:09] <rtg> apw, ^ that looks suspicious
[18:09] <TJ-> build log: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.2.4-unstable/BUILD.LOG.amd64
[18:31] <lownin> I'm running ubuntu server 15.04 on my home server.  After doing apt-get dist-upgrade, this happens when I try to boot - http://imgur.com/a/20zFG
[18:31] <lownin> It seems to be failing to boot with Ubuntu Kernel 3.19.0-31 and if I interupt grub during boot and select <IP_ADDRESS>, my system boots just fine without the above errors.  Anyone have any ideas where I should even start with this?  Thanks!
[18:55] <dudebro> I have a strange problem. Running Ubuntu 14.04 3.13.0-66-generic. My laptop failed to resume from suspend, so I hard reset. Now, USB is broken, the window ("decorator") looks different, and when I try to reboot the computer just remains at the purple ubuntu screen with the multi-dot progress indicator scrolling away. This happens even when I try to boot into older kernels (e.g. 3.13.0-65-generic)
[18:58] <apw> lownin, if you are saying -15 woks and -31 does not, then finding the first one which fails would be good
[18:59] <lownin> apw: Forgive me, but I am not familiar with how I would select specific kernels and install them so they list in grub. Do you have instructions for that?
[19:39] <apw> lownin, you can find all the kernels for a series on the publishing page:
[19:39] <apw> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+publishinghistory
[19:40] <apw> and look for the ones in your release


[00:53] <mup> PR snapcraft#3226 closed: extensions: kde-neon: use gtk3 platform theme on gtk-based DE's <bug> <Created by galgalesh> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3226>
[02:05] <mup> PR snapd#9067 opened: cmd/snap-bootstrap/initramfs-mounts: add doSystemdMount + unit tests <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9067>
[04:46] <mborzecki> morning
[06:23] <zyga> hello
[06:23] <zyga> I tried to dput the .3 release again at 4AM but it was rejected, - the orig tarball is not removed from te ppa yet
[06:24] <zyga> I wonder if we could ask someone from launchpad for help
[06:24] <zyga> I can upload the signed release somewhere so that after the turmoil ends someone else can dput it
[06:24] <zyga> mborzecki: ^
[06:25] <mborzecki> zyga: hey, what do i need to dput it?
[06:25] <zyga> I've sent a copy to maciek
[06:25] <zyga> you need dput
[06:25] <zyga> the magic line is
[06:26] <zyga> dput ppa:snappy-dev/image snapd_2.45.3_source.changes
[06:26] <zyga> brb, let me get a shower
[06:26] <zyga> I'm leaving at 11:30
[06:35] <zyga> I can try to dput now
[06:35] <zyga> and maybe you can ask in #launchpad
[06:36] <zyga> if they can somehow speed up the removal / garbage collection of the 2.45.3 release leftovers
[06:36] <zyga> I will dput now
[06:36] <zyga> dput always works if the release is valid
[06:36] <zyga> but an email sent later
[06:36] <mup> PR snapd#9068 opened: tests/main/selinux-clean: workaround SELinux denials triggered by linger setup on Centos8 <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9068>
[06:36] <zyga> tells you if you were successful or not
[06:36] <zyga> I fear the email goes to me
[06:36] <zyga> as I signed the release
[06:37] <zyga> I just got another rejected message
[06:37] <zyga> ok, afk again, I will try to manage the shower now
[06:37] <mborzecki> via email?
[06:37] <zyga> and double check my bag
[06:37] <zyga> yes
[06:53] <Saviq> mborzecki: hey (late reply) - no, Multipass does not plug removable media, what's the use case?
[06:54] <mborzecki> Saviq: hey, a scenario when you build a snap using snapcraft & mutipass, and your source tree is somewhere under /media, that would not work currently, would it?
[06:55] <Saviq> mborzecki: it should, we're re-confining the mount process
[06:58] <Saviq> mborzecki: ah hmm, but the `multipass` app will barf on trying to mount b/c of ENOPERM
[06:58] <mborzecki> Saviq: that's what i was suspecting, but i'm trying to mount something locally now
[07:12] <Saviq> mborzecki: https://github.com/canonical/multipass/issues/1598 btw
[07:13] <mborzecki> Saviq: btw. can you try to mount something, unmount and mount the same path again? does it work for you?
[07:20] <mborzecki> Saviq: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vYptW9MPPB/ pretty sure it worked once, i could see content under ~/Home in the vm
[07:54] <Saviq> mborzecki: worked just fine
[07:55] <Saviq> nothing in your log suggests it didn't…
[08:15] <mborzecki> Saviq: hmm for some reason ~/Home was empty, i can try a look into that later
[08:21] <mup> PR snapd#9069 opened: tests/main/selinux-clean: workaround SELinux denials triggered by linger setup on Centos8 (2.45) <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9069>
[08:43] <mborzecki> the tumbleweed images are broken apparently
[08:44] <mborzecki> 2020-07-27T21:56:14.0598453Z 2020-07-27 21:56:14 Server google:opensuse-tumbleweed-64 (jul272153-296516) is taking a while to boot...
[08:44] <mborzecki> 2020-07-27T21:57:13.1611691Z 2020-07-27 21:57:13 Cannot allocate google:opensuse-tumbleweed-64: cannot allocate new Google server google:opensuse-tumbleweed-64 (jul272153-296356): cannot find ready marker in console output for google:opensuse-tumbleweed-64 (jul272153-296356)
[10:45] <ijohnson> mborzecki: I approved https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9019, but it seems it needs a merge from master to pick up some fixes
[10:45] <mup> PR #9019: tests/nested/minimal/minimal-smoke: run core smoke tests in a VM meeting minimal requirements <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9019>
[10:45] <mborzecki> ijohnson: thanks, let me update it now
[10:48] <pedronis> ijohnson: hi, I reviewed #9063
[10:48] <mup> PR #9063: cmd/snap/debug: add "snap debug seeding" command for preseeding debugging (4/N) <Preseeding 🍞> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9063>
[10:48] <ijohnson> hi pedronis thanks, let me take a look
[10:59] <pedronis> ijohnson: also #9067
[10:59] <mup> PR #9067: cmd/snap-bootstrap/initramfs-mounts: add doSystemdMount + unit tests <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9067>
[11:24] <pedronis> ijohnson: I answered to some of mborzecki comments to #9063 with my input
[11:24] <mup> PR #9063: cmd/snap/debug: add "snap debug seeding" command for preseeding debugging (4/N) <Preseeding 🍞> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9063>
[11:25] <ijohnson> thanks pedronis makes sense
[11:31] <ijohnson> pedronis: I wonder if we should have the api for debug seeding use *time.Time in the response, that would make the JSON not include things like `0001-01-01T00:00:00Z` for some cases, it would slightly complicate the logic to test for nil, but maybe that would be good
[11:32] <pedronis> ijohnson: I thought of that, and is a bit cleaner, otoh it's a debug api, but if you want to do that, it's ok with me
[11:32] <ijohnson> I was just looking at the case for classic system that was not preseeded, and the time result is very confusing actually, 2562047h47m16.855s is actually like 292 years so I'm a bit confused how we got that result
[11:33] <ijohnson> I would have expected in that case an output like `seeding-time: -` because we don't actually have in the state.json how long seeding took
[11:33] <pedronis> we have seed-time
[11:33] <pedronis> but not seed-start-time
[11:34] <pedronis> there might be a few more cases where the client code needs to ignore values
[11:34] <ijohnson> sorry when I said `seeding-time: -` I meant `seeding-completion: -`
[11:35] <ijohnson> so what would you expect `seed-completion` to show in that case where we don't have a seed-start-time ?
[11:35] <pedronis> ijohnson: yes, my point is, we have had seed-time since long time
[11:35] <ijohnson> I mean at the end of the day this is a debug command
[11:35] <ijohnson> if it shows weird things on unsupported scenarios it's probably ok
[11:36] <pedronis> yes, otherwise I would say either ? or -
[11:36] <pedronis> or we need to think if we can guess a start-seed-time but it gets weird
[11:36] <ijohnson> I will timebox it, if I can fix it in 10 minutes I will fix it, otherwise classic / non-preseeded systems will just be buggy with this command
[11:37] <pedronis> why classic?
[11:37] <pedronis> you just mean older systems without all the values, no?
[11:38] <ijohnson> yeah sorry that's what I mean
[11:38] <pedronis> ah ok
[11:38] <ijohnson> I just said classic cause I can test this case easily on my classic system
[11:38] <ijohnson> BTW when was SeedTime added ?
[11:38] <ijohnson> err
[11:38] <ijohnson> seed-time
[11:38] <pedronis> I would need to check
[11:39] <ijohnson> was that a long long time ago sufficient that I can probably assume it will always be there ?
[11:40] <pedronis> ijohnson: I think it was added when we added the 2h delay for classic
[11:40] <pedronis> but it will take me a bit to confirm because the code has been moved around
[11:40] <pedronis> so blame doesn't give an immediate result
[11:41] <ijohnson> that's ok, I will assume it's always there and if it's not I think the code will just do "-" anyways I think
[11:45] <pedronis> ijohnson: Mar 2018
[11:45] <pedronis> so bionic times
[11:45] <ijohnson> mmm seems old enough to me to say that it will always be there
[11:45] <ijohnson> for a debug command at least
[11:45] <pedronis> yes
[12:01] <mborzecki> ijohnson: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9064 spread jobs are close to finishing, we should restart it once more to make sure that caching of snapd snap job works
[12:01] <mup> PR #9064: .github/workflows: move snap building to test.yaml as separate cached job <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9064>
[12:02] <mborzecki> ijohnson: and btw the artifact is available already
[12:03] <ijohnson> mmm nice
[12:03] <ijohnson> so probably it shows up after the first run, and if you restart it, it doesn't discard that one from the UI
[12:04] <mborzecki> pedronis: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9066 i think this one can be merged now, the failure on arch is unrelated (actually got 408 from the store)
[12:04] <mup> PR #9066: o/ifacestate: fix bug in snapsWithSecurityProfiles <Bug> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9066>
[12:08] <ijohnson> ok, made all the local changes, seems it took a bit longer than 10 minutes but meh
[12:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#3232 opened: build providers: install apt-transport-https <bug> <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3232>
[12:54] <mborzecki> cachio: hey, tumbleweed images seem to be broken, were they updated recently?
[12:54] <ijohnson> pedronis: #9067 is updated with your feedback addressed
[12:54] <mup> PR #9067: cmd/snap-bootstrap/initramfs-mounts: add doSystemdMount + unit tests <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9067>
[12:55] <cachio> mborzecki, hey, yes, yesterday
[12:55] <cachio> do you have a link to see the error?
[12:55] <mborzecki> cachio: 2020-07-28 11:10:01 Cannot allocate google:opensuse-tumbleweed-64: cannot allocate new Google server google:opensuse-tumbleweed-64 (jul280906-365867): cannot find ready marker in console output for google:opensuse-tumbleweed-64 (jul280906-365867)
[12:55] <mborzecki> this is all i get
[12:55] <mborzecki> cachio: looks like they are not booting at all?
[12:56] <cachio> yes
[12:56] <cachio> I can revert the image
[12:56] <ijohnson> mborzecki: did you restart spread on #9064 ? if so then the caching didn't work
[12:56] <mup> PR #9064: .github/workflows: move snap building to test.yaml as separate cached job <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9064>
[12:57] <mborzecki> ijohnson: no, i haven't
[12:57] <cachio> mborzecki, let me take a look first
[12:57] <ijohnson> mborzecki: ah ok
[12:57] <ijohnson> mborzecki: I will re-run spread after the current round of runs finishes
[12:57] <ijohnson> to ensure that the caching works
[12:57] <mborzecki> ijohnson: ok
[12:57] <mborzecki> hope the queue is not stuck again
[12:58] <ijohnson> mborzecki: no all the jobs are in progress, I just saw you approved, and wasn't clear if you approved because you saw the cacching work after restarting it or not
[12:58] <pedronis> mborzecki: thx, merged, I will prepare a backport a bit later
[13:01] <cachio> mborzecki, I see 2020-07-28T13:00:33.756313+00:00 localhost systemd-vconsole-setup[3050]: syntax error, unexpected ERROR
[13:01] <cachio> 2020-07-28T13:00:33.758590+00:00 localhost systemd-vconsole-setup[3049]: /usr/bin/loadkeys failed with exit status 1.
[13:01] <mborzecki> cachio: that's on the console with updated image?
[13:02] <cachio> mborzecki, yes
[13:03] <mup> PR snapd#9066 closed: o/ifacestate: fix bug in snapsWithSecurityProfiles <Bug> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9066>
[13:13] <Gargoyle> Hi.
[13:13] <Gargoyle> Why won't you fix your mailserver?
[13:31] <mborzecki> quick errand to pick up the pi4
[14:07] <mborzecki> re
[14:28] <mborzecki> geee restarted the spread job in #9006 since the build status was showing like half of jobs queued
[14:28] <mup> PR #9006: bootloader: compose command line with mode and extra arguments <Squash-merge> <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9006>
[14:30] <mborzecki> now after restart, most of them are complete, and it's not the first time, as if there's some issue reporting job status
[15:01] <mborzecki> cachio: fwiw the tumbleweed spread jobs are running again, have you reverted the image?
[15:10] <cachio> mborzecki, yes
[15:11] <mborzecki> cachio: cool, thank you!
[15:11] <cachio> I am creating a new image to test
[15:11] <cachio> mborzecki, yaw
[16:19] <cachio> ijohnson, cmatsuoka hey
[16:19] <cachio> I see hte new logs https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F5HvDdvvnW/
[16:19] <cachio> and the reboots are related to this error ide_atapi_cmd_error
[16:19] <cachio> look at line 1578
[16:20] <cachio> also I see this: vmport: unknown command 56
[16:23] <ijohnson> cachio: ah that's really interesting I bet that's related
[16:32]  * ijohnson afk for break
[16:36]  * cachio lunch
[17:01]  * ijohnson considers getting a specific boot for kicking github actions more
[17:29] <mup> PR snapd#9070 opened: o/ifacestate: fix bug in snapsWithSecurityProfiles (2.45) <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9070>
[17:30] <cmatsuoka> cachio: ah interesting
[17:31] <pedronis> mborzecki: ijohnson: backport ^
[17:34] <pedronis> ijohnson: mmh, #9070 is running a differen set of tests?
[17:34] <mup> PR #9070: o/ifacestate: fix bug in snapsWithSecurityProfiles (2.45) <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9070>
[17:34] <ijohnson> pedronis: hmm ?
[17:34]  * ijohnson looks
[17:34] <ijohnson> woah what
[17:35] <pedronis> maybe I'm just confused, and some haven't been added yet?
[17:35] <pedronis> we haven't pushed changes to actions to 2.45
[17:36] <pedronis> also Maciej's previous PR today had all the tests
[17:36] <ijohnson> I'd say let's just wait to see what happens
[17:37] <pedronis> this looks fine: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9069
[17:37] <mup> PR #9069: tests/main/selinux-clean: workaround SELinux denials triggered by linger setup on Centos8 (2.45) <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9069>
[17:39] <cachio> cmatsuoka, I am running now with more specific traces
[17:39] <cachio> to see if I can find something else
[17:40] <cmatsuoka> cachio: nice, I'm checking that unknown command to see what that could be
[17:46] <ijohnson> pedronis: ah ok, so after the unit test runs passed, I see all the spread ones show up now too
[17:46] <pedronis> ok, just me confused
[17:46] <pedronis> good
[17:46] <ijohnson> pedronis: so I think the UI is just slow to show them all
[17:47] <ijohnson> pedronis: it might have something to do with those checks not being required for the release branch
[17:47] <ijohnson> I dunno though
[17:59] <mup> PR snapd#8677 closed: cmd/snap, daemon: detect and bail purge on multi-snap <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by chipaca> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8677>
[18:08] <pedronis> ijohnson: can you look at #9068, I made a comment but not sure it makes sense or not
[18:08] <mup> PR #9068: tests/main/selinux-clean: workaround SELinux denials triggered by linger setup on Centos8 <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9068>
[18:08] <ijohnson> sure I can look but I'm no SELinux expert
[18:10] <ijohnson> thanks for the reviews pedronis
[18:20] <cachio> cmatsuoka, I reproduced this as well
[18:20] <cachio> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FcBqbvC4jj/
[18:30] <mup> PR snapcraft#3222 closed: fix typo <bug> <Created by snshn> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3222>
[18:30] <mup> PR snapcraft#3223 closed: sentry: don't report tool missing errors <Created by cjp256> <Closed by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3223>
[18:31] <ijohnson> cachio: can you resolve the conflicts in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8558?
[18:31] <mup> PR #8558: tests: make the nested library usable independently of spread <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8558>
[18:32] <cmatsuoka> cachio: I think the log is not in the last paste
[18:32] <cmatsuoka> it's one level of indirection away
[18:32] <cachio> ijohnson, I think I'll close that one and open this in small ones
[18:33] <ijohnson> cachio: ack sounds goof
[18:33] <ijohnson> *good
[18:35] <mup> PR snapcraft#3171 closed: snap: debug enabled by default <do-not-merge> <Created by sergiusens> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3171>
[18:37] <cmatsuoka> cachio: could you try with -machine q35,vmport=off
[18:39] <cmatsuoka> cachio: the unknown vmport command should be only a debug message, it doesn't seem that the crash is related to it but that property disables vmport
[18:43] <cachio> surew
[18:43] <cachio> cmatsuoka, running
[18:51] <cmatsuoka> cachio: my expectation is that it will still crash, but you won't see the vmport message in logs
[18:54] <mup> PR snapd#9069 closed: tests/main/selinux-clean: workaround SELinux denials triggered by linger setup on Centos8 (2.45) <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9069>
[18:56] <cmatsuoka> cachio: these are the known vmware i/o port commands, they go from 0 to 43: https://sites.google.com/site/chitchatvmback/backdoor
[18:57] <cachio> checking
[19:00] <mup> PR snapcraft#3147 closed: Use `pylxd` instead of `lxc exec` <Created by abitrolly> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3147>
[19:00] <mup> PR snapcraft#3156 closed: log: trace HTTP connections with developer debug <Created by cjp256> <Closed by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3156>
[19:15] <mup> PR snapcraft#2890 closed: extensions: add opengl extension to support classic and strict <Created by cjp256> <Closed by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2890>
[19:16] <cachio> cmatsuoka, well, with the vmport=off the command error is not shown anymore
[19:20] <mup> PR snapcraft#2413 closed: kernel plugin: introduce a _get_kernel_version() helper <Created by piso77> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2413>
[19:22] <cachio> cmatsuoka, do you have all the parameters for -machine?
[19:39] <mup> PR snapd#9070 closed: o/ifacestate: fix bug in snapsWithSecurityProfiles (2.45) <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9070>
[20:03] <cmatsuoka> cachio: I used the qemu-system(1) man page to see the parameter list
[20:04] <cachio> cmatsuoka, I am testing some specific parameters for intel machjnes
[20:05] <cmatsuoka> cachio: did you get any new logs when the vm crashes?
[20:06] <cachio> cmatsuoka, yes, but all is similar
[20:06] <cmatsuoka> ah ok
[20:15] <mup> PR snapd#9071 opened: release: <IP_ADDRESS> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9071>
[20:15] <mup> PR snapd#9072 opened: packaging: add placeholder changelog for <IP_ADDRESS> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9072>
[20:15] <pedronis> ijohnson: I re-prepared the release ^
[22:05] <mup> PR snapd#8499 closed: Adding comment on system instability caused by a privileged cp <Created by TZubiri> <Closed by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8499>


[07:33] <cpaelzer> sil2100: hiho, you might know - is bileto down for a reason or juts by accident?
[07:33] <cpaelzer> I get connection timeouts when browsing to it
[08:11] <sil2100> cpaelzer: hmmm
[08:11] <sil2100> cpaelzer: it works here for me, probably was just some temporary failure?
[08:18] <cpaelzer> sil2100: yeah working now
[08:18] <cpaelzer> odd
[09:01] <cpaelzer> hey, I look for some packaging magic guidance
[09:01] <cpaelzer> Debian did a change that is useful in moving a blob (rom file) generated from an arch sepcific package to a "Architecture: all" package
[09:01] <cpaelzer> so far so good
[09:02] <cpaelzer> but we built two such roms (so far arch specific on s390x), and the second rom can ONLY build on s390x
[09:02] <cpaelzer> it can easily be reused on other architectures
[09:02] <cpaelzer> furthermore debian did it ina hackish way which will miss if any changes/fixes for those roms are done to the makefile upstream
[09:03] <cpaelzer> so I wonder if I could build things on s390x the "upstream intended way" but then still make them part of an "Architecture: all" package (preferably the one I already have containing other roms as well)
[09:03] <cpaelzer> I realized my knowledge on build-indep is lower than it should be so any help is welcome
[09:03] <cjwatson> Sounds like you want "XB-Build-Indep-Architecture: s390x" in the first stanza of debian/control
[09:04] <cjwatson> may be LP-specific - there was debate about it and I'm not sure we ever got that into Debian
[09:05] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: interesting, let me read about that flag
[09:06] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: it is possible (not sure yet) that there are also roms that only build on x86 (the current executor of build-indep)
[09:07] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: is there any chance that I can get both or is this an "either this or that" decision?
[09:07] <cpaelzer> also search endinges don't give me useful links for XB-Build-Indep-Architecture is there any reference you could share?
[09:10] <cpaelzer> yeah it has x86 only bits as well
[09:10] <cpaelzer> so the question really is can I have one deb package that has content built on two different builders, and I assume the answer is no
[09:11] <cpaelzer> am I allowed to split an extra (new) package for that being architecture:all but built on s390x
[09:11] <cpaelzer> I could only move the two roms I want there and have all I want right?
[09:11] <cpaelzer> the roms built the upstream intended way ending up in a arch:all package
[09:11] <cpaelzer> I'll try that - let me know if that is in vain :-)
[09:17] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: I mean ... you can't simultaneously build a package on more than one arch
[09:17] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: you'll have to split it up or else work out some way to get everything to build on a single arch
[09:19] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: yep, I decided to split the package
[09:19] <cpaelzer> thanks for confirming my assumptions
[09:19] <cpaelzer> are there known limitations on building architecture: all content NOT in build-indep
[09:20] <cjwatson> can't recall I'm afraid
[09:20] <cpaelzer> as that is what I need to build one on x86 (that will be in build-indep) and one on s390x (that will be in buld-arch)
[09:20] <cpaelzer> ok, I'll give it a try
[09:20] <cpaelzer> thank you already cjwatson
[09:21] <cjwatson> I'm not totally sure how what you're saying makes sense
[09:21] <cjwatson> But I need to catch a train
[09:23] <cpaelzer> have a good ride
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> Odd_Bloke, hello, if you want to do some hg-git fixup, http://debomatic-amd64.debian.net/distribution#disco/hg-git/0.8.12-0ubuntu1/autopkgtest
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> the test requiring ssh should be disabled in my opinion
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[09:56] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: do you plan to upload hg-git 0.8.12 to debian?
[10:00] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs, for some reasons the same version fails there...
[10:01] <LocutusOfBorg> http://debomatic-amd64.debian.net/distribution#unstable/hg-git/0.8.12-0.1/buildlog
[10:01] <LocutusOfBorg> I couldn't figure out why... maybe new git version
[10:03] <ginggs> i saw some fixes in hg-git gitlab that are not released yet
[10:03] <ginggs> but i want to know if you are planning to upload hg-git to debian, so we don't duplicate work
[10:04] <ginggs> s/gitlab/bitbucket/
[10:45] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs, no please, I plan to do something else, more important :D
[10:45] <LocutusOfBorg> go go go, you can start from my DOM upload :D
[11:18] <tjaalton> jbicha: hi, what's still missing from lm-sensors migration?
[11:29] <rbasak> Skuggen: from juliank: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HK3p28KNkz/
[11:30] <rbasak> Skuggen: he said in #ubuntu-release it's fixed upstream in 5.7.26 but has no release yet.
[11:30] <rbasak> Do we need to upload this patch or is the upstream release imminent?
[11:31] <Skuggen> 5.7.26 or 5.7.25?
[11:31] <juliank> I need this patched for lz4 (but it's also blocked by systemd, and ros-ros-comm on some archs)
[11:31] <juliank> Skuggen: https://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=93778 says "Fixed in 5.6.44, 5.7.26, 8.0.15."
[11:33] <rbasak> Enough time to fix in Debian and autosync over?
[11:34] <juliank> sure, it's not _super_ urgent
[11:34] <juliank> I think we'll have to fix systemd too, and that'll take longer
[11:36] <rbasak> OK I'll knock up a MR for Salsa.
[11:36] <Skuggen> 5.7.26 is some ways off (5.7.24 is the current release, and 5.7.25 will be out soon)
[11:37] <rbasak> juliank: shall I hack your changelog for version/release to leave you attributed?
[11:38] <juliank> I'd just dch -r it so I'd end up in [ ] inside the changelog
[11:38] <rbasak> OK
[11:38] <juliank> Skuggen: So, 5.7.25 will be released with a failing test suite? That's fun
[11:39] <juliank> time based tests are fun in any case
[11:39] <juliank> "oh 2018 is a long way off, let's use that"
[11:39] <juliank> "oh no, it's 2019, the test testing 2018 stopped working"
[11:39] <rbasak> I suspect it might be fixed "properly"
[11:40] <juliank> hopefully
[11:41]  * juliank looks at ros-ros-comm, that's scarier
[11:53] <ahasenack> hi, bileto.ubuntu.com is timing out after authentication with sso (proxy error 502), is that something that is usually addressed with a service restart of some sort?
[11:54] <ahasenack> or something more serious is going on?
[11:54] <ahasenack> #is can restart services, but don't really know the layout of that machine
[11:56] <Skuggen> juliank: Yeah, hopefully. I'
[11:56] <Skuggen> I've seen some such tests fixed properly, while others are just +10 years :P
[11:58] <juliank> Skuggen: I think the problem is that we are running out of years on 32-bit
[11:58] <juliank> s/the/a/
[12:00] <ahasenack> sil2100: around?
[12:00] <ahasenack> bileto.u.c seems to have lost some launchpad authentication token and it's filling the logs with messages like " Waiting to hear from Launchpad about your decision..."
[12:01] <ahasenack> apparently waiting for someone to hit that url
[12:01] <ahasenack> do you know what that is about? #is can restart things, but it looks like this is something else
[12:44] <sil2100> hmmm
[12:44] <sil2100> ahasenack: let me look at that
[13:35] <jbicha> tjaalton: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html says that gkrelmmm is blocked by gnutls28
[13:47] <tjaalton> jbicha: gotcha
[14:40] <coreycb> doko: by any chance can you rebuild the openstack packages in your test rebuilds? i think most are fixed.
[14:40] <coreycb> fyi jamespage ^
[14:41] <jamespage> coreycb: what was the issue?
[14:41] <coreycb> jamespage: several were hitting the sqlite issue but i've built a few more that were hitting other issues successfully.
[16:09] <ahasenack> teward: hi, do you know where nginx stands with lua 5.x support? Does it still only support lua5.1?
[16:09] <ahasenack> https://github.com/openresty/lua-nginx-module/issues/204 seems to indicate they don't want to go beyond 5.1
[16:10] <ahasenack> ...and found the issue you reported :) https://github.com/openresty/lua-nginx-module/issues/343
[17:07] <doko> coreycb, jamespage: given back, currently running
[17:14] <coreycb> doko: thanks
[17:53] <juliank> ahasenack: lua is a real mess
[17:56] <ahasenack> juliank: looks like it, we have 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3 in disco
[18:42] <juliank> ahasenack: I mean, luajit only supports 5.1 syntax (+ some 5.2), and 5.2 had a huge ABI break, so code is split in luajit vs lua>=5.2
[18:42] <juliank> and that sucks
[18:43] <ahasenack> I saw that nginx switched to jit at some point
[19:41] <rbasak> Laney: network-manager dep8 fix++, based on your changelog message
[19:41] <rbasak> Thank you for sorting that


[00:05] <iheartubuntu> i remember nhaines or someone here was an HDD expert? ive got a baraccuda seagate drive thats not showing up anymore. i dont know if its fried or what. anything i can do to get it working again? gparted cannot see it. seagate utilities found on ultimate boot cd cannot find it either.
[00:05] <iheartubuntu> when i try installing ubuntu it says i need hard drive drivers and gives me a list to pick from, but i have no clue which one to use
[00:07] <seidos> iheartubuntu, that's great, but i'm in san francisco now, and looking for something local.  btw, are you faring well?
[00:08] <iheartubuntu> im faring OK
[00:08] <iheartubuntu> how is SF?
[00:08] <iheartubuntu> i bet union square looks nice with all the decorations
[00:08]  * pleia2 is heading down there this evening
[00:09] <pleia2> I caught a glimpse of it coming home the other day, very pretty :)
[00:09]  * iheartubuntu misses it up there
[00:10] <iheartubuntu> was going to go up for my bday in NOV but saved $ and went to jay leno show which was free
[00:10] <pleia2> darn being responsible :)
[00:10] <iheartubuntu> i told him his show was my favorite, but only the monologue since i usually fall asleep after it :)
[00:11] <iheartubuntu> seidos, im sure its easy to get to petaluma from SF
[00:12] <seidos> iheartubuntu, never heard of petaluma
[00:12] <pleia2> you need a car
[00:12] <pleia2> maybe an hour north?
[00:13] <pleia2> 45 minutes?
[00:13] <seidos> i'm not wasting 45 minutes worth of gas to buy seeds :/
[00:13] <seidos> i am too 'po
[00:15] <iheartubuntu> no bus?
[00:15] <iheartubuntu> heck, id hitch hike
[00:15] <iheartubuntu> no train?
[00:17] <pleia2> caltrain goes south, bart goes south and west, I don't think any trains go north
[00:18] <seidos> have you ever hitch hiked in your life?
[00:18] <seidos> well, i'd still have to pay for the trip :/
[00:19] <seidos> hitch hiking is a last resort kind of thing.
[00:19] <seidos> hmmm, well so is living here...
[00:20] <iheartubuntu> amtrak... 2 hours
[00:20] <iheartubuntu> train from OAK to martinez, ca then bus to petaluma
[00:22] <iheartubuntu> $60 tho on amtrak RT
[00:23] <iheartubuntu> I know a guy named Big Larry who drives truck. I can give you his number.
[00:23] <iheartubuntu> :D
[00:25] <iheartubuntu> seidos, have you joined freecycle.org up there?
[00:27] <seidos> nah, my dad has a bike.  i did meet a group of misfits at the recreation center on 6th though
[00:27] <seidos> he said i could have it, but i really have no place to ride to
[00:28] <seidos> 100w light bulbs
[01:25] <kdub_> hey DarkwingDuck
[01:25] <DarkwingDuck> Hey kdub_?
[01:28]  * kdub_ is trying to figure out another SD ubuntuhour location
[01:28] <kdub_> if you have any suggestions
[01:28] <kdub_> i feel the coffee shop last time was too smal
[01:30] <DarkwingDuck> It was a bit small...
[01:31] <DarkwingDuck> We want to keep it in the point loma area?
[01:35] <kdub_> eh, I'd be fine moving it somewhere else
[01:35] <kdub_> phil doesnt have a car though
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, we'll keep it up there for him... There a bookstore in that area with a coffee shop like thing?
[01:39] <kdub_> not sure, i'll probably have to investigate a bit
[01:40] <kdub_> so, lets keep it there, the 18th is probably the best date this month
[01:40] <kdub_> considering holidays
[01:43] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'll should be able to make it.
[01:43] <DarkwingDuck> I'm gonna let KPLUG know
[01:43] <kdub_> actually, i dunno so much about the 18th, i'll figure it out once i get back to my calendar
[01:44] <kdub_> at any rate, sometime around then
[01:44] <kdub_> i'll keep you in the loop
[01:46]  * kdub_ is at s-bucks now
[01:46] <kdub_> they sure make them small out here, MI's starbucks are practically warehouses ;-)
[01:50] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I know that feeling... The Starbucks up by Midway is a bit bigger
[02:50] <MarkDude> grantbow, are you going to Jono's show tomorrow in SF?
[03:52]  * MarkDude pats Eureka on the head
[03:59] <MarkDude> Let me know G- if you are driving I will pitch in gas $
[04:00] <pleia2> california has ruined me already, I called 54F "cold"
[04:00] <akk> heh
[04:01] <akk> I was listening to Car Talk last week, and this woman called in about how she has a newish SUV but it doesn't have heated seats, and it's so cold she doesn't drive anywhere any more
[04:02] <akk> and they said "Wait, you're in Oxnard? How cold does it get there?" and she said "It's SOO COOOOLD! This week it got down into the fifties!"
[04:02] <akk> She didn't get much sympathy from Click & Clack. :)
[04:02] <pleia2> haha, yeah, a friend of mine in philly told me about that car talk episode when I told them it was cold here :)
[06:53] <dragon> Anyone got a link for Jono's event in SF tomorrow?
[07:12] <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=158257237548249
[07:13] <MarkDude> \m/      \m/
[07:16] <dragon> woot.
[07:37] <MarkDude> Dude, check out this http://zareason.com/shop/Submit-Action-Shots.html
[07:39] <MarkDude> Sort of a low-rent contest, but cool nonetheless, imo
[08:35] <dragon> MarkDude: is that a real zareason poster?
[08:36] <MarkDude> No, Gimp does perspective well enough
[08:37] <dragon> lol that's what I though
[08:38] <MarkDude> I use the time on BART to do pics when I am not wasting it playing games
[08:41] <MarkDude> http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/Pictures#5546372914659068994
[08:42] <dragon> hah, that's a nice one1
[08:42] <MarkDude> Good abbreviation- ftp- fear the Penguin
[08:44] <dragon> and HTTP?
[08:45]  * MarkDude will work on that as well as other protocols
[08:45] <dragon> s/protocols/penguins/
[08:46] <MarkDude> Yes , but your comment made me aware that there are other iteration I could attend to
[08:47] <dragon> yep, nice idea
[08:47] <dragon> btw is nixie attending jono's event tomorrow?
[08:47] <MarkDude> Oh, wearing black to the show would be a good idea
[08:47] <MarkDude> No collars
[08:48] <MarkDude> Or sweaters
[08:48] <MarkDude> I dont think so
[08:48] <MarkDude> Nixie is still recovering from her time at the loft
[08:49] <MarkDude> I think we have her for CLS tho
[08:49] <dragon> lol, recovering.
[08:49]  * MarkDude misses the hottub
[08:50] <MarkDude> Do you know any caterers?
[08:51]  * MarkDude is the dinner coordinator for CLS party at the bohemian loft
[08:51] <dragon> caterers? Yes, a bunch of Indian restaurants.
[08:51] <dragon> My dad knows them personally, so I could talk to him.
[08:51] <MarkDude> Well, we already have Indian food
[08:52] <dragon> wait, the one at the loft? Is that before or after the event?
[08:52] <MarkDude> same people as last lunch
[08:52] <dragon> oh, that was really nice.
[08:52] <MarkDude> after the event
[08:52] <MarkDude> Everyone liked them so they are already approved
[08:52] <dragon> awesome.
[08:53] <MarkDude> we have two people for doing a Tea Ceremony for the dinner
[08:53] <dragon> hmm, caterers other than indian places? Can't really recall any off the top of my head.
[08:53] <dragon> Tea Ceremony?
[08:54] <MarkDude> Yep
[08:54]  * MarkDude looks for link
[08:55] <MarkDude> http://www.medicinebuddhas.org/
[08:55] <MarkDude> It looks as if we may be able to teach some classes there
[08:56] <MarkDude> Im leaning on Karsten to do one in Feb
[08:56] <dragon> interesting
[08:56] <MarkDude> Well yes it is
[08:56] <MarkDude> very interesting
[08:57] <MarkDude> At a place started by Master Wang in 2005
[08:58] <dragon> I wasn't aware of this
[08:58] <MarkDude> Neither was I.
[08:58]  * MarkDude hopes to see it before Xmas
[09:00] <MarkDude> I need to get a caterer that has some food that will work with the vibe, and has a decent vegetarian option
[09:04] <MarkDude> Did you hear the one about the Buddhist that walked up to the hot dog vendor and asked him to make - him one with Everything?
[09:05] <dragon> hah
[09:05] <dragon> I'll keep looking for options
[11:29] <nUboon2Age> Ubuntu Manual Officially Recognized By Canonical [Updated] (& Ubuntu Dev Manual too) http://www.muktware.com/n/02/2010/547
[12:17] <nUboon2Age> okay, here's a better URL: http://dindafoss.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/ubuntu-developer-manual-project/
[12:18] <nUboon2Age> nhaines: the Ubuntu One for Window beta is public, not private, so your e-mail was completely unecessary (and had a very unpleasant tone to it too btw)
[14:01] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[14:25] <nUboon2Age> Dec 9, The Ubuntu Hour: San Jose/Silicon Valley http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/585/detail/;  Dec 16th: Mountain View/Silicon Valley http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/550/detail/  akk, aaditya, crashsystems, FashionGirl, jamal, jledbetter, jtatum, MarkDude, pleia2, Yasumoto, phildini, mcgrof_, jb
[14:50] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[15:08] <nUboon2Age> jledbetter: i see you did your first edition of "The Ubuntu Hour: Newport News"; congrats!
[15:09] <jledbetter> nUboon2Age, Thank you :) Was fun.
[16:20] <nhaines> nUboon2Age: the Ubuntu One for Wnidows beta is public but is a closed beta, so your email was irresonsible (and extremely disappointing).
[16:31] <nUboon2Age> nhaines: you're e-mail and now this have a very disrespectful tone imo.  i won't reply further to that kind of garbage
[16:32] <nhaines> nUboon2Age: what's garbage is signing up for a closed beta and then giving out access information.   Grant and Nathan had valid points. Please try to learn from that instead of taking personal offense.
[16:46] <nUboon2Age> jdeslip: i accept your point, but at the same time imo there is no excuse for the harsh unpleasant tone that both grant and nathan have taken.  could it be related to the fact i recommended neither of them be allowed to run for Council?  i think absolutely yes.
[16:46] <nhaines> czajkowski: please do the same, thanks.
[16:47] <czajkowski> nhaines: mine is fine in here.
[16:48] <nhaines> czajkowski: I believe that had logging been implemented earlier that would be demonstratibly false.
[16:48] <nhaines> nUboon2Age: you assume too much.
[16:50] <jdeslip> nUboon2Age: I think we all tend to take criticism a bit more personally than an outside observer would see it. Either way, nothing good comes of escalating things into personal conflicts.
[16:54] <jussi> awesome:  The Finnish Police has 100.000 fans on Facebook - in comparison the FBI has only 65.000. Finns really do trust their authorities.
[16:55] <jdeslip> Anyway, nhaines: I recognize you are frustrated, but cursing at people is not acceptable in the channel, regardless of who has done it before.
[16:55]  * MarkDude doubts that is really nhaines - even during arguments he is more respectful than that
[16:56] <jussi> argh, gotta run. laters.
[16:56] <nUboon2Age> jdeslip: your phrase 'escalating things into personal conflicts' ignores the reality.  these are two people who seem to be bent on vengence for my having recommended (and the LoCo Council accepting) they not participate in leadership for a time.
[16:56] <jdeslip> nuboon2Age: neither is constantly carring a victim complex and posting snarky comments about people.
[16:57] <nUboon2Age> jdeslip: your statement is evidence and merit-free
[16:58] <jdeslip> nUboon2Age: they are two people who had legitimate complaints about your recent emails. You chose to connect those comments to personal conflict.
[16:59]  * MarkDude would suggest this being a reaction to the recent overreaction that occured in this Team
[17:00] <nUboon2Age> jdeslip: actually neither were legitimate complaints
[17:00] <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, what is this regarding- may I aask?
[17:01] <MarkDude> BTW, you do see how the false dilemma you pointed to a while ago about factions does not really hold true
[17:02] <MarkDude> Since the shake up here, I have been in agreement with nhaines on quite a bit
[17:02] <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: the factions thing is true though you deny it.
[17:02]  * MarkDude *still* would have voted for him had he been allowed to run
[17:02] <MarkDude> step back for a moment
[17:03] <MarkDude> me was arguing with nhaines  when you 1st said that
[17:03] <pleia2> nhaines: cursing at people in ubuntu channels really isn't cool :( I understand your frustration but there are better ways to handle things
[17:03]  * nUboon2Age palms face.  MarkDude yeah and just see what kind of situation we'd be in with nathan, grant, neal and mark .
[17:03] <MarkDude> since then I have been at least 70%+ agreement with him- minus dropping an F-bomb
[17:04] <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, the factions thing does not hold water- since the shake up- I have apparently been in a faction with nhaines  and Flannel
[17:04] <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: changing subjects to a productive item, could you please point me to the url of jono's thing again?
[17:04] <MarkDude> ?
[17:04] <MarkDude> np
[17:05] <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=158257237548249
[17:05] <MarkDude> Also since that time- I dont think that grantbow and I have agreed on much at all
[17:06] <MarkDude> Yet again- the faction thing does not hold water
[17:06] <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: you gotta know that i am a big appreciator of most of what you contribute.  i hope to see you there this evening amigo
[17:06] <MarkDude> I will be there
[17:06] <nhaines> jdeslip: You're right, and I apologize.  (pleia2, you're right too, of course.)
[17:06] <nUboon2Age> i hope i can make it too MarkDude
[17:06] <MarkDude> Not your fault btw nUboon2Age -
[17:07] <iheartubuntu> factions? in ubuntu-us-ca?
[17:08] <nUboon2Age> iheartubuntu: :-)
[17:08] <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: ty and i hope to see ya later mi amigo
[17:08]  * MarkDude motions to the council folks if anyone wants to point fingers. You cant act as heavy handed as happened- and *NOT* expect some sort of pushback, along with others feeeling the need to step back a bit. If participation involves risking a public callout- along with the whole public shame deal
[17:08] <iheartubuntu> im more of a fraction, than a faction :)
[17:08] <nUboon2Age> i'm out for now...
[17:08] <MarkDude> ttyl nUboon2Age
[17:09] <pleia2> MarkDude: I'm afraid I'm not understanding how this is ongoing pushback from the changes the LC made, it mostly sounds like people are taking things *far* too personally
[17:10]  * MarkDude wants to do his best Al Pacino impersonation now http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=1722
[17:11] <MarkDude> You're out of order, you are out of order
[17:11]  * MarkDude is not taking anything here personally
[17:12] <MarkDude> yes pleia2 I remember saying the reaction here *actually* had the result of polarization
[17:12] <MarkDude> that was the word I believe Drew meant
[17:12] <MarkDude> He was correct in that
[17:12] <pleia2> I don't think grantbow or nhaines meant for their emails to be insulting, they asked questions about the content, it was not personal
[17:12] <MarkDude> Ok
[17:13] <MarkDude> Others may be seeing something that may not even exist
[17:13] <MarkDude> Again, polarization
[17:13] <pleia2> and this polarization has existed for a very long time in this team
[17:13] <MarkDude> Some of it has changed tho
[17:13] <pleia2> I think those of us who are here and regularly talking need to give each other a break and try to move forward
[17:14] <pleia2> it will go a long way to help if we let things slide from time to time and don't assume the worst of each other
[17:14] <MarkDude> Like for example- my being polarized to agree with 2 of the 4 bad folks
[17:14] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: +++
[17:14] <seidos> good morning all
[17:15] <pleia2> morning seidos
[17:15] <seidos> yeah, i guess there isn't much good about it
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> guten tag!
[17:15] <MarkDude> true pleia2 , but, people are still aware that they are at risk of being censured- that lesson was very obvious
[17:15] <MarkDude> nonsense seidos it is a great morning
[17:15] <seidos> buenas iheartubuntu
[17:15] <pleia2> MarkDude: risk of being censured?
[17:16] <seidos> may it be so MarkDude
[17:16] <nUboon2Age> From UbuntuOne irc channel:
 joshoover: i'm confused.  is it bad for me to have fwd your note on Windows beta to Ubuntu-california e-mail list?  i thought it was a public beta.  did i get that wrong?  many apologies if so.
[17:16] <nUboon2Age> [09:13] <joshuahoover> nUboon2Age: no, no problem at all...we're going to open it up completely on tuesday anyway...we figured people would start sharing the link sooner anyway :)
[17:16] <MarkDude> Yes. putting of names on bad lists
[17:16] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: advertising a private beta is very bad form, I don't think nhaines meant any personal offense when he replied to your email
[17:17] <pleia2> presumably it's private for a reason, the ubuntu california mailing list has a lot of people on it and it's searchable by google
[17:17] <MarkDude> Um I dont know if I ever seen an F-bomb dropped here
[17:17] <pleia2> MarkDude: he apologized, it's time to move on :)
[17:18] <MarkDude> I mean I have seen people's parentage questioned, s-bombs , etc
[17:18] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: actually the point is that if he simply wanted to ask me he should have done it in private and he made several false assumption which he polluted the ML and here with.
[17:18] <pleia2> MarkDude: "putting names on list" was a very extreme case of problems brewing over several years, I don't think people are more worried now than they were before about getting into trouble
[17:19] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: and maybe even more importantly the extremely aggressive tone he took in all of the above belied his negative intent.
[17:19] <MarkDude> pleia2, GK does have some very active FOSS folks in it
[17:19] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: I think you're application of "extremely aggressive tone" is misplaced
[17:19] <MarkDude> Ask them what they think could happen here
[17:19] <pleia2> you're taking it personally :(
[17:19] <MarkDude> pleia2,  is very right about that
[17:20] <pleia2> he even used "please"
[17:20] <pleia2> "Can you please explain why you forwarded an invitation to a closed public beta for Ubuntu One to an open list?"
[17:20] <pleia2> I don't read that as aggressive at all
[17:20] <MarkDude> Its artificially polarized- its not permanent by any eans
[17:20] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: we could go back line by line and see just how harsh his tone was from the beginning, both on e-mail and here
[17:20] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: but as i say
[17:20] <MarkDude> We can UNpolarize it- by just taking a step back
[17:21] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: at some point you need to step back and let go of the past :( it's really hurting us here, we need to move forward and stop assuming everything is an attack, it was a good question
[17:21] <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, step back and realize that most people in his position would most likely not be happy with you
[17:21] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: if he had good intent he would have done it in private.  obviously he had negative intent even before dropping the fbomb
[17:21] <MarkDude> regarding how the council stuff went
[17:21] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: I had the same question, it's good that it was asked on list
[17:22] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: asking a question:  good!  asking it with agreesive tone: very bad and very unUbuntu.  gotta run...
[17:22] <pleia2> in this case it's not a big deal that the public beta was leaked, but it can certainly paint you as untrustworthy for future betas
[17:22]  * pleia2 sighs
[17:23] <MarkDude> eff you, and you and you too :D
[17:23]  * MarkDude is kidding
[17:24] <MarkDude> The common thread here is that people dont like their time wasted
[17:24] <seidos> people should learn how to skim emails maybe
[17:25] <jdeslip> True enough, so let's call this incident closed; so we can all go back to playing World of Goo...
[17:25] <pleia2> and angry birds
[17:25] <seidos> most of the stuff that comes on planet ubuntu is a waste of time for me, but i'm sure others might benefit from it.
[17:25]  * MarkDude suggests that it may take a bit of time for this whole *stand down* to fully take place
[17:25] <jdeslip> pleia2: do you have the new christmas edition?
[17:26] <MarkDude> How the hell did I take a step over to *reasonable land*
[17:26] <pleia2> jdeslip: nope
[17:26] <seidos> MarkDude, like you said, it's a great morning
[17:26] <pleia2> MarkDude: yeah, I think it'll just take time
[17:26]  * MarkDude is used to Lyz saying stuff to me about mellowing out :)
[17:26] <pleia2> and a lot of reminding each other that we need to forgive and try to move on and all that
[17:26]  * MarkDude agrees
[17:27] <jdeslip> Does anyone know what the policy is about installing paid software from the SC on different computers you own?
[17:27]  * MarkDude 's bringing it up is meant to acknowledge it - and ultimately let it be water under the bridge
[17:28] <MarkDude> jdeslip, um If not look on torrent sites
[17:28] <MarkDude> :D
[17:28] <jdeslip> I see there is an option on my desktop to install my previous purchases.  Just wondering if it is against the license.
[17:28] <pleia2> jdeslip: there is proably copyright info in the docs?
[17:29]  * MarkDude is slightly nervous about the pay for app solution
[17:29] <MarkDude> I mean when is mp3 going to be pay only
[17:30] <pleia2> for important things there will always be a free option in the open source world, someone will build it
[17:30] <MarkDude> It appears to be an Applization going on-
[17:30] <seidos> sharing is caring
[17:30] <MarkDude> seidos, I agree with the CareBears menatality
[17:30] <MarkDude> That is how I often describe FOSS to folks
[17:30] <seidos> MarkDude, who was the care bear with the clover?  i think he was my favorite one.
[17:31] <MarkDude> Luck bear?
[17:31]  * MarkDude 's sister had them
[17:31] <pleia2> I don't actually have an objection to paid software, if someone feels they need to get paid to make something that's fine with me, not everyone can have awesome job like me where I can work on foss at work :)
[17:31] <seidos> gah, i'll look it up.
[17:31] <seidos> i used to watch the cartoon
[17:31] <pleia2> and if it helps bring better software to ubuntu and convert more people - great!
[17:31]  * MarkDude does not object to the idea
[17:31] <MarkDude> Slippery slope....
[17:32] <MarkDude> It does create a wider gulf between Ubuntu and Fedora
[17:32] <pleia2> yeah, I don't think I buy the slippery slope argument
[17:32] <MarkDude> When they say free, they mean it
[17:32]  * jdeslip is really glad I can get World of Goo in SC instead of having to hunt it down on web
[17:33] <MarkDude> unless you want the whole package- in which case- you need to pay RH :)
[17:33] <pleia2> yeah, but there they have redhat (paid) and fedora (free), on the ubuntu side there is just ubuntu so there is a concession
[17:33] <pleia2> I tend to prefer the ubuntu approach, of course :)
[17:33] <pleia2> anyway, work time
[17:34] <MarkDude> True. The transition from Ubuntu free to paid- is much easier than Fedora to RH
[17:34] <akk> One possible slippery slope (though I'm all for having pay sw as well as free) is that communities that have a lot of pay software also tend not to have open source -- their freeware is binary freeware.
[17:34] <MarkDude> 2 differing distros
[17:34] <jdeslip> I think part of being open means you have to give your users the choice installing paid apps if they want.
[17:34] <akk> Having pay software options is great as long as you still encourage open source and make it seem like the default.
[17:34] <MarkDude> akk +1
[17:34] <MarkDude> Fine line, and NO it has not been crossed
[17:35]  * akk has been learning about Android these past few days, and getting frustrated at all the free-not-Free apps that *almost* do what I want, and if only I had the source so I could make that last little tweak ...
[17:35]  * MarkDude is still looking at that line
[17:35] <MarkDude> No doubt akk
[17:35]  * MarkDude is nervous about ZA selling an Android tablet
[17:35] <MarkDude> We want to have sources available
[17:35] <akk> I've wondered about that too, MarkDude.
[17:36] <akk> Too bad no one sells pure Linux tablets.
[17:36] <jdeslip> akk: a lot of android apps are open-source, too.  Mine are at least. :)
[17:36] <pleia2> MarkDude: ZA will be releasing the source, right?
[17:36] <pleia2> B&N did a lousy job with their Nook
[17:37] <akk> jdeslip: I've seen a few, but I've found it quite hard to find them. Is there a good repository of opensource android apps?
[17:37] <pleia2> and you'd be hard pressed to find the source for any of the dozens of cheapo tablets out there
[17:37] <MarkDude> pleia2,  it appears that way
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> Im worried some programs like GIMP, shotwell, Midori, etc might one day go for a fee.
[17:37] <MarkDude> We still are not 100% sure we will do it
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> Stuff I need/use
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> my bottom line is better because I use Ubuntu/linux OS
[17:37] <MarkDude> This is under frieNDA
[17:38] <akk> iheartubuntu: GIMP is a long long way from doing that -- it'll be one of the last to go that way. But I agree, some projects might.
[17:38] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: the source would still be available so there would be forks, I don't really worry about that sort of thing
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> im also more productive with a linux box instead of fighting viruses and pop up stuff on windows
[17:38] <MarkDude> akk http://zareason.com/shop/Submit-Action-Shots.html
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> if all the benefits of linux eventually disappear, then it wont matter what OS i use
[17:38] <jdeslip> MarkDude: the core of android is open-source.  certain google apps are not.
[17:38] <pleia2> MarkDude: yay it's fixed!
[17:38] <jdeslip> exit
[17:38] <akk> MarkDude: lol <3
[17:38] <MarkDude> After I did the perspective on the words on that poster- I thought of you akk
[17:39] <akk> Android is opensource, but I gather that device drivers for specific devices typically aren't?
[17:39] <iheartubuntu> but im on ubuntu #1 for my bottom line and #2 so i dont fund bill gates and his minions
[17:40] <nhaines> Since we're fond of recording things here, I asked for an Ubuntu One for Windows beta slot for a magazine article, and I had to be cleared by Cristian Parrino (directory of Online Service for Canonical).  They told me how many invites were going out and that they were going to stagger it out as needed, basically like they'd done for earlier betas they've done.
[17:40] <iheartubuntu> and #3 because of the community
[17:40] <akk> Like sheevaplugs -- you can build a kernel for them, you just can't build a kernel that can do wifi.
[17:40] <jdeslip> akk: ya, device drivers are not.  That is true even of most Ubuntu Video card and wireless drivers though
[17:40] <pleia2> nhaines: thank you
[17:41] <nhaines> so when I saw the ML email, I was surprised and concerned.  I didn't (and usually don't) have any personal attack in mind, and if it hadn't been a closed beta I *would* have asked privately.
[17:41] <nhaines> But I'm glad he went and got clarification from the U1 team and that there's no damage done.
[17:41] <nhaines> And I also hope we all knock this one out so they can go and do the Ubuntu One photos app for mobile.  :P
[17:42] <pleia2> u1 photo app would be nice
[17:42] <MarkDude> Its all good nhaines. You do lots of good stuff for the TEam and FOSS in general :)
[17:42] <jdeslip> nhaines: thanks for the clarification.  Do you use the u1 music app by the way?
[17:43] <nhaines> I've been using the WD Photos app for Android for the My Book World/Live/ShareSpace NAS devices and I absolutely want a open source cloud-based one.  :)
[17:43] <nhaines> jdeslip: I betaed it, am going to subscribe this weekend.  :)  It's awesome.
[17:43] <jdeslip> I have to admit I am too big a fan of dropbox and the dropbox android app right now to give u1 much of a try.
[17:44] <jdeslip> I may use it just for that music purpose though
[17:44] <MarkDude> U1 wont really be a viable option until Windows is supported
[17:44] <MarkDude> IMO
[17:44] <jdeslip> which is next tuesday for public beta apparent ;)
[17:44] <nhaines> The third-party U1 file app is great, but it's not at dropbox levels.
[17:46] <jdeslip> I didn't even know there was a file app. *goes to have a look
[17:47] <nhaines> jdeslip: Not sure if AndroidU1 is in the market or not.  It was a Google Summer of Code project.
[17:48] <pleia2> looks like just ubuntu one music and ubuntu one contacts
[17:50] <jdeslip> Ah. I see.
[17:51] <jdeslip> Lots of Ubuntu Theme apps are available...
[19:30] <iheartubuntu> Today is my Friday Giveaway on my personal blog. Im giving away Baker Creek Seeds (actually a gift cert), so if you want to enter I will post the link in the offtopic chat. Seidos?


[03:11] <j1mc> anyone around?
[03:11] <sommer> j1mc: yo
[03:11] <j1mc> hi sommer
[03:11] <j1mc> i'm putting the finishing touches on xubuntu docs.  cody somerville was going to help me build them, but i think he's a little busy lately.
[03:12] <j1mc> i was hoping someone could help me.
[03:12] <sommer> uh, I *may* be able to
[03:12] <sommer> have you built a package before?
[03:13] <j1mc> nope.  not one.
[03:13] <j1mc> :)
[03:13] <sommer> that's cool, it's really not that hard
[03:14] <sommer> best place to start is the packaging guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[03:14] <j1mc> i think i can ping mrpouit for help.  cody said that he'd be willing to help me out (i just remembered)
[03:15] <sommer> cool, the getting started link will point you to which packages to install
[03:16] <sommer> I've never actually built the doc package, but if you have any specific questions just let me know
[03:19] <j1mc> thanks, sommer
[03:19] <j1mc> the server docs have really improved a lot for this release.  i think it's great.
[03:20] <sommer> thanks, they were in need of a few updates :-)
[03:21] <j1mc> :)
[03:22] <sommer> also mdke can probably answer any package related questions, but he's probably not on at the moment
[03:26] <j1mc> sommer: do you have access to updating the ubuntu global.net file?  the kernel version listed isn't correct.
[03:26] <j1mc> it says 2.6.22, and hardy uses 2.6.24
[03:26] <sommer> I think you should be able to update it
[03:27] <j1mc> ok
[03:27] <sommer> I did ask mdke about it and he recommended to update all branches
[03:27] <sommer> and since I don't have them all checked out, he said he'd update it
[03:27] <sommer> if you have them checked out I'd say go ahead and update it
[03:28] <j1mc> i don't know about glibc, but i've checked the other ones.
[03:29] <sommer> heh, I'd imagine that glibc has been updated as well
[03:31] <j1mc> would it be under package libc6  (do an apt-cache show libc6)  i show version 2.7 for glibc, based on that
[03:33] <sommer> ummm... I think so, but you might want to double check
[03:35] <j1mc> /lib/libc.so.6  (entering that command gave me the info)
[03:36] <sommer> ah, I guess I'm not 100% sure, is libc the same as glibc?  isn't glib a gnome library?
[03:37] <sommer> I'd imagine it is
[03:37] <sommer> cause there isn't a glibc in dpkg -l | grep glib
[03:37] <j1mc> but wouldn't the "g" stand for gnu?
[03:37] <j1mc> gnu c library?
[03:38] <sommer> heheheh... yep, your right
[03:38] <sommer> I think I was thinking of gtk or something
[03:38] <j1mc> :)
[03:55] <j1mc> sommer: what did i just do??
[03:56] <j1mc> all of the updates are there, but the history isn't correct now.
[03:56] <j1mc> crap
[03:56] <j1mc> mdke is going to kill me.
[03:58] <sommer> the history isn't correct?
[04:00] <sommer> which commit do you mean?
[04:02] <j1mc> check your email
[04:02] <sommer> how about 3656
[04:02] <sommer> did you do a bzr push after a bzr merge?
[04:03] <nixternal> j1mc: my battery died
[04:03] <j1mc> ah, ok
[04:03] <j1mc> sommer: yes
[04:04] <j1mc> sommer: all of the docs are ok in terms of content, but the history is screwed up
[04:04] <sommer> it's not a big deal (I don't think) what happens is that a merge affects your local copy
[04:04] <nixternal> j1mc: it is right on LP and my local history
[04:04] <nixternal> the history matches just fine here
[04:05] <j1mc> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-hardy
[04:05] <sommer> so when you then push it the repo the history goes along as well
[04:05] <sommer> I'm pretty sure it's just a bzr thing
[04:05] <sommer> heh... sort of a pun ;)
[04:06] <j1mc> sommer: yeah, but it still sucks.  and why doesn't it happen to other people?
[04:06] <sommer> I've done a bzr bind on my check out, which makes it act pretty much the same as svn
[04:06] <sommer> when I do bzr commit it automatically goes to the repo
[04:07] <sommer> you can find the command to bind the repo at the bottom of the repository wiki page
[04:07] <sommer> I think it's just bzr bind bzr+ssh://path/to/repo, but you'll probably want to confirm that
[04:10] <j1mc> i found it...
[04:10] <j1mc> thanks.
[04:10] <j1mc> is there any way to fix this, though?
[04:10] <j1mc> i'm embarrassed.
[04:10] <sommer> don't be, others have done the same thing, and the content is the important thing anyway
[04:11] <j1mc> i guess this way it will make it look like i wrote all of the documentation for ubuntu, though.
[04:11] <j1mc> which is great.
[04:12] <j1mc> um... but i wish there were a way to fix it.  obvs...  you all have accurate local histories at this point.
[04:12] <j1mc> CRAP!  i was trying to be helpful.
[04:12] <sommer> there probably is, but I'm far from a bzr expert
[04:13] <j1mc> i'll ask in bzr
[04:13] <j1mc> #bzr
[04:21] <nixternal> damn, the firefox start pages are a mess
[04:22] <kgoetz> :(
[04:22] <j1mc> kgoetz: :(
[04:23] <kgoetz> j1mc: i was watching your bzr question - i did the same thing to myself a while ago
[04:25] <j1mc> mdke: sommer nixternal http://pastebin.ca/948485
[04:27] <sommer> j1mc: wow... we should turn on that options, heh
[04:28] <j1mc> yeah
[04:28] <sommer> I really wouldn't sweat it, ping mdke tomorrow and see what he wants to do
[04:29] <sommer> maybe send an email to the doc ml to expect a few messages, then do the proposed fix?
[04:29]  * kgoetz suspects now is a bad time to run bzr up
[04:29] <kgoetz> s/up/merge
[04:29] <sommer> I updated, but then I'm also working in an update :-)
[04:30] <j1mc> yeah, a day before string freeze i screw up the history.
[04:31] <j1mc> trying to be helpful
[04:31]  * kgoetz passes j1mc the lamp of shame
[04:31] <kgoetz> :P
[04:31]  * j1mc puts on lampshade
[04:32] <sommer> no worries, the history shouldn't be affected by the freeze
[04:32] <sommer> at least I don't think it gets translated, heh
[04:35] <j1mc> entering the command "bzr log --show-ids > ~/Desktop/ids" does show everything correctly.
[04:36] <j1mc> (i sent the output to a file cos there's a lot of it)
[04:36] <j1mc> i sent matthew a note about it
[04:37] <j1mc> he probably won't be available for a while now cos he's flying over from england to kick my ass.
[04:37] <kgoetz> hehe
[04:37] <sommer> lol, just get in some good quick shots while he's jet lagged
[04:49] <nixternal> bzr commit --fixes lp:bug_num
[04:49] <nixternal> great flag right there...never knew about it until just now
[04:49] <nixternal> it will add a link in the description showing the new fix
[04:49] <j1mc> bzr bind... how about that one?
[04:49] <j1mc> that's the best one ever
[04:49] <nixternal> hell no
[04:49] <nixternal> bzr co
[04:49] <nixternal> that's all I do
[04:50] <j1mc> but you can't commit locally if you do a co
[04:50] <nixternal> don't need to
[04:50] <nixternal> all of my fixes go right into the repo for everyone
[04:51] <nixternal> when it comes to funky setups, I am not a bzr fan
[04:51] <nixternal> Mercurial and git are good for funky stuff like that ;p
[04:51] <kgoetz> hehe. when it comes to funky setups i still think patches are cool :P
[04:51] <nixternal> very true, I am with you there
[04:52] <nixternal> I like the bundles feature of mercurial
[04:52] <j1mc> i would be much happier right now if i had just done bzr diff > patch and emailed someone.
[04:52] <nixternal> lol
[04:52] <j1mc> F*CK
[04:52] <kgoetz> hehe
[04:52] <nixternal> and with bzr co, I don't have to worry about mucking up the history :p
[04:53] <j1mc> with bzr bind you don't have to worry about mucking up history either
[04:53] <nixternal> j1mc: did those fixes in pastebin work?
[04:53] <j1mc> i haven't tried.
[04:53] <j1mc> i don't want to send out 108 emails to the entire doc team from launchpad.
[04:53] <j1mc> not w/o people being aware of it
[04:54] <nixternal> j1mc: oh well, mdke and I did it from dapper -> feisty with translations
[04:54] <nixternal> we have like 6mb emails too :)
[04:54] <nixternal> s/have/had
[04:55] <nixternal> to bad there isn't such a thing like 'svn commit -m "SVN_SILENT: foo foo foo foo"'
[04:55] <nixternal> as long as the triggers are added
[04:55] <j1mc> right...
[04:55] <kgoetz> hehe
[04:56] <j1mc> do you think i should try the comment from lifeless?  he's an old hand at bzr development, so i trust him.
[04:56] <nixternal> I would
[04:56] <nixternal> if it messes up, blame him :p
[04:57] <j1mc> kgoetz: what do you think?
[04:58] <kgoetz> j1mc: i rec'n you should try it out.
[04:58] <sommer> +1 from me, what's the worste that could happen :-)
[04:59] <kgoetz> j1mc: we all support your actions, until you send the emails :P
[04:59] <nixternal> haha
[05:01]  * j1mc goes to join #bzr again to ask another question
[05:01]  * kgoetz watches
[05:01]  * nixternal laughs
[05:02] <j1mc> haha
[05:05] <sommer> hrmm... doc.u.c doesn't seem to be updated
[05:08] <j1mc> you need to make sure you refresh the page
[05:08] <j1mc> i've encountered that quite a bit
[05:09] <j1mc> we could all set our email notifications to "no emails" and then turn it back on.
[05:10] <j1mc> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-hardy  > edit subscription
[05:14] <j1mc> kgoetz: are you following in #bzr?  any thoughts?
[05:16] <kgoetz> j1mc: let me read up (being tought perl by my boss atm...
[05:18] <kgoetz> i think you branch from the last commit befor yours. try it out, just stop following lifeless' steps where you commit back to LP :)
[05:42] <j1mc> kgoetz: or sommer ... could one of you do "bzr log --show-ids > ~/Desktop/ids" and pastebin the top of the output from that log?
[05:44] <kgoetz> sommer: is probably your best bet
[05:44] <kgoetz> as my repo is about a week old (when i last hacked on the docs)
[05:44] <j1mc> right... and he committed the last valid commit.
[05:52] <sommer> j1mc: the file is pretty big
[05:52] <j1mc> sommer: right...
[05:52] <j1mc> bzr log --show-ids > ~/Desktop/ids
[05:52] <sommer> want me to email it to you
[05:53] <j1mc> sure
[05:53] <j1mc> jwcampbell ate gmail.com
[05:54] <sommer> on the way
[05:55] <j1mc> thanks...
[05:56] <kgoetz> *grin* @ ate
[05:56] <j1mc> :)
[05:56] <sommer> np, bed time for me
[05:56] <sommer> later all
[05:56] <j1mc> ok...
[05:56] <j1mc> thanks!!
[05:56] <kgoetz> later mate
[05:57]  * kgoetz nurses his could-happen-but-just-on-edge-currently rsi
[05:58] <j1mc> rsi?
[05:58] <kgoetz> repeditive strain injury
[05:58] <j1mc> :(
[05:58] <kgoetz> eg, typing
[05:59]  * kgoetz reads doco to try and avoid pain
[06:03] <j1mc> i have the command ready, but i'm just apprehensive
[06:03] <j1mc> bzr branch -r<EMAIL_ADDRESS>trunk local; cd local; bzr merge -r<EMAIL_ADDRESS>../trunk; bzr commit; bzr push --overwrite ../trunk
[06:07] <kgoetz> i understand your nervousness
[06:07] <kgoetz> want my advice?
[06:07] <j1mc> sure
[06:07] <kgoetz> run ` bzr commit; bzr push --overwrite ../trunk` as a second command
[06:07] <kgoetz> and check what has changed after the first bit runs
[06:08] <j1mc> my gut is to send the chat info to mdke and let him decide
[06:08] <j1mc> what do you think?
[06:08] <kgoetz> i think run the first bit, and if your not positive it'll do what you want, wait for mdke
[06:09] <j1mc> "the first bit" being...
[06:09] <kgoetz> 16:33 < j1mc> bzr branch -r<EMAIL_ADDRESS>trunk local; cd local; bzr merge -r<EMAIL_ADDRESS>../trunk;
[06:09] <kgoetz> s/;$/$/
[06:10] <kgoetz> eg. stopping before you commit back
[06:10] <j1mc> and then checking the log...
[06:10] <j1mc> good idea
[06:11] <kgoetz> :)
[06:14] <j1mc> hm, this may take a while
[06:15] <j1mc> it's going though
[06:16] <kgoetz> it may take a while yeah :)
[06:16]  * kgoetz wonders if theres been any updates to the [ed,k]ubuntu docs (if there hasnt, no need for me to pull again)
[06:26] <nixternal> just firefox startpage updates
[06:27] <nixternal> probably make a few changes tomorrow if I have time
[06:27] <kgoetz> cutting it fine :)
[06:31] <nixternal> as fine as possible...tend to do that every release
[06:46] <j1mc> woot
[06:46] <j1mc> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-hardy/changes
[06:46] <j1mc> i fixed it
[06:48] <kgoetz> :D
[06:49] <j1mc> kgoetz: are you getting a flood of emails?
[06:49] <kgoetz> j1mc: i'm not part of docteam
[06:49] <j1mc> ah, ok
[06:50] <kgoetz> i'm heading to dinner+ home
[06:50] <kgoetz> catch you later all
[06:52] <j1mc> later!
[06:52]  * j1mc goes to bed
[07:00] <George> New bug: #203827 in ubuntu-doc "serverguide error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203827
[07:05] <George> New bug: #203829 in ubuntu-doc "server guide error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203829
[07:49] <cge> I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm rather confused by the MacBookPro page on the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro). Why does it have a bizarre warning at the beginning, before a bunch of random information about things like proprietary programs for theming vista? Is the warning at all valid, or is it just the result of some misinformed editor?
[07:52] <mdke> cge: that is seriously weird
[07:52] <cge> mdke: There seems to be a group of one or two editors very strongly responding to any attempts to remove some of the stuff.
[07:53] <cge> I can't figure out how to get information on the launchpad users behind the usernames, so I have no idea who they are.
[07:54] <mdke> yeah
[07:54] <mdke> there are clearly parts of the page that are inappropriate
[07:54] <mdke> also, the whole page should be moved to help.ubuntu.com
[07:54] <cge> I was wondering why it was on wiki.ubuntu, yes.
[07:55] <mdke> I'll move it now, it will provide an opportunity to remove the vista stuff
[07:55] <cge> thank you
[08:04] <mdke> cge: moved. I've deleted the sections dealing with Windows and OSX - I will try and contact the author to discuss
[08:05] <cge> Very good - thank you. I'll also try to update it if I have time in the next few days.
[13:15] <sommer> mdke: I don't think doc.u.c has been updated for a while... at least the latest serverguide changes aren't showing up :-)
[20:05] <ubotu> New bug: #204030 in ubuntu-docs (main) "package ubuntu-docs 7.10.5 failed to install/upgrade: fork falhou" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204030
[20:12] <l3on> Hi... I'm walking into wiki and find this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KennethBaafour
[20:13] <l3on> Nothing strange by a quick look... but look at attachfiles ;)
[20:13] <l3on> Here is the right place to comunicate it?
[20:17] <l3on> mdke: are you there?
[21:34] <cge> Now we're going to have a revert war on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro it seems. I had hoped that sort of thing was limited to Wikipedia...
[21:37] <seisen> somebody delete before?
[21:38] <cge> A user keeps adding a bunch of stuff about Vista themes, games, and whatnot, and keeps adding it back in whenever anyone removes it, even if it's mdke doing the removal...
[22:18] <mdke> l3on: what's up?
[22:21] <l3on> mdke: files attached to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KennethBaafour were full of spam...
[22:21] <l3on> linked to porn site & co...
[22:21] <l3on> I deleted them...
[22:22] <mdke> l3on: thanks for doing that. You can also report the username responsible in #launchpad and ask for the account to be deactivated
[22:22] <l3on> mdke: controll before ;)
[22:23] <mdke> l3on: sorry?
[22:25] <l3on> nothing mdke, I've read that you'll contact them... I've read wrong :P
[22:25] <mdke> :)
[22:26] <l3on> ;)