[19:31] <dreamon> racecar56, Yes.. its a german keyboard.. CTRL+ALT+F1
[19:31] <racecar56> dreamon, kk.. thought so
[19:32] <cjae> I have been using aptitude to install stuff, how do I make this go away and does it mean that the update could cause problems or what
[19:33]  * cjae is sick of seeing the gear and thinking that might be actual updates
[19:34] <kklimonda> what do developers say about envyng? Should it be used in cases when normal hardware managers fails to install working drivers?
[19:40] <rconan> cjae: have you tried running apt-get dist-upgrade from terminal instead of using any of the graphical managers?
[19:40] <rconan> cjae: with some dependancy changes graphical managers go wrong
[19:40] <cellx> which time in CET area like Berlin the jaunty will be released?
[19:41] <nrzul> hi all
[19:41] <rconan> cellx: no-one knows... when it's ready
[19:41] <nrzul> can anyone help with amarok?
[19:41] <rconan> nrzul: what's the problem
[19:41] <kklimonda> rconan: you shouldn't run clean apt-get dist-upgrade. there are some quicks applied by update-manager that may not be applied by apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:41] <nrzul> i install kubuntu 9.04
[19:41] <nrzul> amarok don't play last.fm
[19:41] <kklimonda> if you don't wan't to use graphical update manager you should do ``sudo do-release-upgrade''
[19:41] <rconan> kklimonda: quirks like what? update-manager just runs apt I thought?
[19:42] <rconan> kklimonda: I'm not talking about release upgrades I'm talking about updates
[19:42] <cjae> rconan: I was using aptitude, but the annoying kpackage keeps telling me I have a package that is blocked, that is already installed
[19:42] <nrzul> n ow i'm updating system may be will work///
[19:42] <cellx> rconan: thanks, I ll go bed and wait for the surprise in next morning...
[19:43] <rconan> nrzul: sorry... don't use last.fm try looking on launchpad for a bug
[19:43] <nrzul> what ide good for c++?
[19:43] <kklimonda> rconan: no - for example it checks if your gpu is supported by new drivers and if not it allows you to stop upgrade or install open drivers (and it updates xorg.conf)
[19:43] <m1r> hello
[19:43] <rconan> kklimonda: I'm not talking about up*grade* I'm talking about up*dates*
[19:44] <m1r> i cant find monitor resolutions/refresh rates in xorg.conf and my 2nd monitor cant display 1280x1024, where could i find that so i can enter it manualy ?
[19:44] <rconan> cjae: I'm not sure what dependancy tracking algorithm aptitude uses but I know one of them wont change package versions for dependancies and ends up refusing to install some updates
[19:44] <rconan> cjae: what package is it?
[19:44] <ripps> rconan: simple update: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade.
[19:45] <rconan> ripps: but that fails to upgrade some packages (usually early in development cycles when dependancies are changing)
[19:45] <rconan> s/upgrade/update
[19:46] <Kaedenn> Hey. Where do I put a script to have it run on boot, as root?
[19:46] <ripps> rconan, than straight aptitude has package conflict handling, but it's not as easy to use as update-manager.
[19:46] <oDesk> hello i'm on 9.04  update-manager -d  prints error "GtkWarning: could not open display"
[19:46] <rconan> ripps: as does apt-get dist-upgrade :p
[19:46] <ripps> rconan: You shouldn't use dist-upgrade with ubuntu
[19:47] <rconan> you just occasionally have to watch out for it removing things when it shouldn't...
[19:47] <osubuck_> 2 days till release and its killing me :P
[19:47] <rconan> ripps: I'd like to see some reasons why...
[19:47] <Nikola> osubuck_: 2 days or tommorow?
[19:47] <DanaG> I use aptitude for everything.
[19:47] <ripps> precisely like you said, it will remove things it shouldn't. If you have a working X, use update-manager.
[19:47] <osubuck_> its the 2nd here.... supposed to be released on the 4th
[19:47] <oDesk> rconan: dist-upgrade is works, but i want to know what is the Gtk warning!
[19:48] <kklimonda> rconan: packages shouldn't be held back at this time. If they are someone was probably using some 3rd party repositories.
[19:48] <rconan> kklimonda: true... although he did say it had been there a while
[19:48] <rconan> oDesk: probably the debconf trying to run the gtk gui instead of the terminal version
[19:48] <kklimonda> rconan: than we should be more specific - you shouldn't use apt-get dist-upgrade (or aptitude) to upgrade from one release to another.
[19:48] <cjae> rconan: flashplugin-nonfree
[19:48] <nemo> gah.
[19:48] <rconan> kklimonda: I totally agree there!
[19:49] <nemo> I have a 5 day old update of jaunty
[19:49] <DanaG> I usually DO use aptitude.
[19:49] <kklimonda> DanaG: you shouldn't.
[19:49] <DanaG> Even for release-upgrades.
[19:49] <DanaG> What's the reasoning?
[19:49] <nemo> and I keep getting bad sigs
[19:49] <nemo> even if I disable everything but main
[19:49] <ripps> aptitude works fine, but it's not officially supported by ubuntu, the core-devs prefer you use apt-get
[19:49]  * nemo tries another mirror
[19:49] <rconan> cjae: I would try doing "apt-get upgrade flashplugin-nonfree" (or aptitude) since that will definitely sort out anything held back
[19:49] <kklimonda> DanaG: sometimes things change between releases that aren't handled by simple package upgrades.
[19:50] <rconan> DanaG: apt-get has had most of the features of aptitude ported to it now anyway (like autoremoving and such)
[19:50] <osubuck_> thats why im waiting for the final instead of installing the RC
[19:50] <kklimonda> DanaG: you can see some examples in ``/usr/share/pyshared/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeQuirks.py'' file.
[19:50] <cjae> rconan: ok thats kind of what I figured, but the wording "blocked" made me think I should nt :p
[19:51] <rconan> cjae: I don't think there's any reason except being held back due to dependancies
[19:51] <rconan> cjae: I think they changed the way flash was installed for jaunty... am I right?
[19:52] <DanaG> I still like the ncurses UI of aptitude.  =þ
[19:55] <cjae> rconan: i   kubuntu-restricted-extras Recommends adobe-flashplugin | flashplugin-nonfree  ....this is what I got from aptitude why flashplugin-nonfree
[19:57] <rconan> cjae: oh... I think you just need to remove flashplugin-nonfree
[19:57]  * rconan checks
[19:58] <rconan> cjae: flashplugin-nonfree is now a transitional package
[19:58] <rconan> for adobe-flashplugin
[19:58] <rconan> sorry no... flashplugin-installer
[19:59] <DanaG> I sure hope we can still nspluginwrap Flash.
[19:59] <Ventero> Sorry for asking again, but I still haven't solved this: How do I get gnome panel to start automatically (how it normally does) when I log in? :X
[19:59] <DanaG> I like not having Flash crashes take down the whole browser.
[19:59] <DanaG> Without nspluginwrapper... if flash dies, so does Firefox.
[19:59] <DanaG> It also means you can killall -9 npviewer.bin if it starts devouring CPU time.
[20:00] <DanaG> I even use nspluginwrapper on 32-bit.
[20:01] <tywashere>  Unable to find simple control 'PCM',0 ? I'm in ubuntu 9.04
[20:04] <ibrahim7689> hello, if i install jaunty 9.04 RC and then use the update manager to install the updates, will my system be 'in line' with the coming 9.04 stable release?
[20:05] <joaopinto> ibrahim7689, yes
[20:05] <Pici> ibrahim7689: yes
[20:05] <robin0800> ibrahim7689: there have been no updates for the last two days
[20:05] <ibrahim7689> ok thanks
[20:06] <ibrahim7689> robin0800: are you saying the rc is in line with the stable release anyway?
[20:06] <joaopinto> there have been some updates after the RC
[20:06] <robin0800> ibrahim7689: That I don't know
[20:06] <ibrahim7689> ok
[20:07] <ibrahim7689> one more thing, is there a tool to set the time according the internet time servers?
[20:08] <joaopinto> ibrahim7689, ntp
[20:08] <robin0800> ibrahim7689: There may be updates tomorow to bring it into line with the release
[20:09] <ripps> I belive ntpdate is installed by default
[20:09] <joaopinto> robin0800, Is very unlikely to have updates on the release date, since the ISOs need to be frozen and mirrored several hours before that
[20:11] <ripps> It's pretty calm here, considering the fact that jaunty is so close to release.
[20:11] <robin0800> joaopinto: Although that is true in the past updates have come out at the same time as the release
[20:12] <mphill> i downloaded off iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[20:12] <mphill> might as well get it now before the servers are totally hammered tomorrow
[20:13] <joakim`> anyone using banshee with the mirage plugin here?
[20:14] <ripps> I'm a steadfast gmpc+mpd user
[20:14] <ibrahim7689> is anyone running jaunty on <=256
[20:14] <ibrahim7689> mb
[20:15] <ibrahim7689> im glad/amazed to say that it has been working so far
[20:15] <ibrahim7689> a bit laggy but usable
[20:15] <mphill> ibrahim7689: try lxde
[20:15] <mphill> make sure you get the lxde network manager too
[20:15] <ibrahim7689> !lxde
[20:15] <nztal> i just got a laptop i'd like to put jaunty on.  it has a recovery partition, at the end of the drive, instead of at the beginning of the drive.  i'd like to keep the original windows on there in case i get a job that requires it.  i'm not sure how to do this, since the recovery partition, is at the end.
[20:16] <Rolie> ibrahim7689, I'm running intrepid with 72 MB of memory, no Xorg though
[20:17] <ibrahim7689> hmm i have a full gui, and it runs smooth considering the hardware
[20:17] <ibrahim7689> Dell L400
[20:17] <ibrahim7689> pretty nice little laptop
[20:17] <ibrahim7689> for the money
[20:18] <Rolie> what are the min specs anyway for jaunty
[20:18] <rconan> 384 MB RAM for the graphical installer
[20:18] <rconan> IIRC
[20:18] <ibrahim7689> it said 256mb for the gui installer
[20:18] <rconan> hmm... I might be wrong
[20:18] <ibrahim7689> and i guess i have proved that is true ;)
[20:18] <Pici> !requirements
[20:19] <Pici> Probably close those those ^
[20:19] <ibrahim7689> the installer said i needed 256mb but only had 255mb, so i wasnt really bothered about the 1mb
[20:20] <ibrahim7689> everything went smoothly
[20:20] <Rolie> 384 MB it is, but "smoothly" is rather subjective ;)
[20:20] <ibrahim7689> i had to use wubi
[20:20] <rconan> I'm sure I tried the installer with 256 and had to use alternate disc (maybe that was another reason)
[20:20] <ibrahim7689> im using the desktop edition, not the alternate
[20:20] <rconan> possibly the system memory mapped graphics card used some which meant I didn't have enough
[20:20] <Halow> Yeah, I couldn't get the GUI installer going at 256 on my mom's computer either.
[20:21] <rconan> alternate works with <32MB IIRC though
[20:21] <ibrahim7689> like i say, i was forced to use wubi because this machine is so old it cant boot off usb or usb cd drives, at least it didnt when i tried
[20:21] <fincan> any news about the time?
[20:21] <charlie-tca> desktop always takes more than the alternate cd
[20:21] <charlie-tca> !notyet | fincan
[20:21] <rconan> fincan: no... and there wont be... no-one will know until it's ready and released
[20:21]  * Halow wishes ubottu had a !time command.
[20:21] <Halow> !time
[20:22] <Halow> Guess not.
[20:22] <rconan> go to
[20:22] <charlie-tca> !outyet
[20:22] <rconan> -ops and ask for one
[20:22] <rconan> ah... good
[20:22] <fincan> nice the bot active xD
[20:22] <Halow> Good one.
[20:22] <vart> on 256M it is recomended to use Xubuntu
[20:22] <ubluntu> anyone know why my video driver doesnt increase my resolution?
[20:23] <ibrahim7689> i was going to go with xub but thought i wud try ubuntu first
[20:23] <Halow> Yep, I used Xubuntu. But even then, the GUI installer wouldn't go.
[20:23] <ibrahim7689> really, what sort of hardware are you using?
[20:23] <ibrahim7689> it cant get much worse than mine :)
[20:24] <charlie-tca> I thought mine was the worst, PII, 400MHz, with 192MB ram installed xubuntu from the desktop cd
[20:25] <Halow> You know, I can't remember... It was my mom's computer. I'm scared to give her Jaunty yet, as she's got Intel graphics.
[20:25] <ibrahim7689> hmm it seems the min reqs are a bit exaggerated
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Ah, yes, intel graphics is not so good now
[20:25] <ibrahim7689> jauntys supposedly got good intel support
[20:25] <ibrahim7689> how come?
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu mins should be in line
[20:25] <Halow> Well, like was said before, it's possible since she has onboard video that some of the memory was being held back.
[20:25] <racecar56> i have a comp with 1GB ram and intel celeron and it cant run ubuntu, only xubuntu
[20:25] <racecar56> O_o
[20:26] <ripps> ibrahim7689: intel is kinda buggy because of the shift to dri2 and uxa
[20:26] <ibrahim7689> hmm
[20:26] <racecar56> and it's acpi dosen't work with xubuntu
[20:26] <_kal_> --->> UBUNTU 9.04 FiNAL ISO HERE : http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso <<---
[20:26] <_kal_> :]
[20:26] <_kal_> --->> UBUNTU 9.04 FiNAL ISO HERE : http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso <<---
[20:26] <ibrahim7689> i didnt have any problems on my other laptop with an intel, using uxa
[20:26] <ibrahim7689> it ran fine
[20:26] <dt3k> l i e s
[20:26] <racecar56> lol .pool to hide it
[20:27] <racecar56> it exists!
[20:27] <haggisbasheruk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ daily images here
[20:27] <Pici> _kal_: please stop. The release notice has not yet come out;
[20:28] <ibrahim7689> heh this is gonna be like when a new episode of lost comes out and there are like at least 5 hoaxes on the torrent sites every time
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Hate to say it, but if you read that url with out the iso:
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Images here may not be final even if they look as if they are; by distributing pre-release images here we can make final mirroring faster.
[20:28]  * ripps is mentally preparing himself for the chaos that is going to come with the release
[20:28] <racecar56> dun dun
[20:28] <Pici> charlie-tca: Glad to see that PSA
[20:29] <Nikola94> lol, someone took mah nick... -.-
[20:29] <haggisbasheruk> lol
[20:30] <rconan> Nikola94: ghost them
[20:30] <Nikola94> how?
[20:30] <ripps> I used a register nick, nobody can steal mine
[20:30] <dt3k> The file kie posted is: 20-Apr-2009 16:02  698M  Ubuntu 9.04 Release Candidate (Jaunty Jackalope)
[20:30] <racecar56> i registered mine
[20:30] <haggisbasheruk> me 2
[20:30] <racecar56> its a redirect
[20:30] <dt3k> kal*
[20:30] <Nikola94> how do i register it?
[20:30] <Pici> !register
[20:30] <racecar56> e-z
[20:30] <_kal__> yeah dt3k ?
[20:30] <Nikola94> thanks
[20:30] <Gullstad> Any words about the X.org - Compiz unstability?
[20:31] <_kal__> yeah the file is dated from April 20
[20:31] <dt3k> _kal__: the file you posted inst final, its "20-Apr-2009 16:02  698M  Ubuntu 9.04 Release Candidate Jaunty Jackalope)
[20:31] <dt3k> "
[20:31] <_kal__> it's the final release
[20:31] <ripps> For my ati 9600pro, Compiz is the most stable it's ever been
[20:31] <dt3k> _kal_: it's the RC
[20:31] <rconan> _kal__: It is *not* out. That is *not* the final release. It is not released until the mail to the ubuntu-annouce mailing list. Please stop linking.
[20:31] <_kal__> yes it is, you'see tomorrow
[20:31] <abhinay> sorry to ask this, when is the final release?
[20:31] <Gullstad> ripps: I think it was a Intel-chipset thing.
[20:31] <racecar56> tomorrow
[20:31] <dt3k> tomorrow abhinay
[20:31] <rconan> !notyet | abhinay
[20:31] <racecar56> !release
[20:31] <Pici> !outyet > abhinay
[20:31] <_kal__> check the md5 tomorrow and you'll see I were right
[20:31] <abhinay> time?
[20:31] <_kal__> :]
[20:32] <dt3k> _kal__: you're not very bright
[20:32] <Pici> !party
[20:32] <haggisbasheruk> Nice to see GEM support with intel but crazy to see the nasty graphics glitches
[20:32] <abhinay> Thanks for the info guys! :)
[20:32] <racecar56> yw
[20:33] <ripps> Well, since RC is in freeze and probably isn't going to get any updates, this is probably the same as the release
[20:33] <rconan> ripps: no... that isn't true
[20:34] <deany> how can i stop eye of gnome/gthumb (seems its a nautilus/gnome thing really) from filling that .thumbnails folder with gigs of thumbnails?
[20:34] <rconan> there are almost always at least a couple of updates
[20:34] <_kal_> yes it is, that's the final : i always get ubuntu final release one day before its official release date, using this method : md5 prooves it's correct :]
[20:34] <Nikola94> I think i register this one lol
[20:34] <rconan> _kal__: It is *not* out. That is *not* the final release. It is not released until the mail to the ubuntu-annouce mailing list. Please stop linking.
[20:34] <_kal_> anyway, enjoy the latest release everybody, it rocks
[20:34] <_kal_> see ya
[20:34] <rconan> well thank god he's gone
[20:35] <deany> even windows lets you stop caching thumbs...cmon
[20:35] <racecar56> and if window$ can do something linux can't, that must be patched right away
[20:35] <nemo> deany: symlink .thumbnails against /tmp ? :)
[20:35] <racecar56> xD
[20:35] <deany> dont wanna go the asty route and chown root the folder
[20:36] <ripps> deany: dude, my .thumbnails is only 80mb, how many image files do you have?
[20:36] <deany> nemo, good idea...hmmmm
[20:36] <nemo> deany: setting it read only would probably work too
[20:36] <nemo> deany: personally, I set a bunch of directories to use $HOME/ramdisk
[20:36] <deany> its not huge, but I just dont want them...
[20:36] <nemo> just to speed things up
[20:36] <nemo> also means they get reset on reboot of course
[20:36] <nemo> theoretically linux caches such things, but...
[20:36] <nemo> if it is on a ramdisk it is guaranteed transient and cached :)
[20:37] <deany> I dont wanna waste ram on the useless things
[20:37] <deany> just gimme an option to say no.
[20:37]  * nemo has ram to burn :D
[20:37] <rconan> RAM is cheap these days
[20:37] <deany> I guess i`ll try the read only method first. see what happens.
[20:38] <racecar56> i dont know if i do or not...
[20:38] <rconan> between the PCs in my flat there's 22GB
[20:38] <nemo> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551171
[20:38] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/eog/+bug/255030
[20:38] <Kai_wp> Still no luck with Compiz Fusion here. Here's was happens when I try to enable it: http://pastebin.com/d7026d56f
[20:38] <racecar56> actually i have no more ram :<
[20:38] <racecar56> whatever
[20:38] <nemo> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551171#c1
[20:38] <Kai_wp> I'm running with an XFX Nvidia 8600 GT XXX.
[20:38] <nemo> deany: looks like comment #1's suggestion about wiping the thumbnail cache might work for you
[20:38] <nemo> deany: also restricting its size
[20:39] <nemo> deany: actually size is probably all you care about
[20:39] <nemo> racecar56: well, my gentoo laptop has only 96MiB of ram :)
[20:39] <nemo> racecar56: my desktop is at 4 gigabytes
[20:39] <nemo> or gibibytes :)
[20:40] <deany> what was comment #1 again?
[20:40] <racecar56> nemo, my laptop is 2GB and my desktop is also 2GB
[20:40] <nemo> deany: in the gnome bug
[20:40] <nemo> suggests setting thumbnail_cache max size/age
[20:40] <nemo> deany: I guess that means that would impact both nautilus and eog thumbnailing
[20:40] <racecar56> nemo, how old is the laptop? mine from late 2006
[20:40] <nemo> racecar56: P133
[20:41] <nemo> racecar56: I have a P100 too :D
[20:41] <racecar56> nemo, ?
[20:41] <nemo> pentium, 133MhZ
[20:41] <nemo> dunno when it was made. 98 maybe? 99?
[20:41] <racecar56> k
[20:41] <racecar56> i dont know
[20:41] <racecar56> my first comp was probably from 97
[20:42] <nemo> racecar56: heh. my first computer was a trash 80 :D
[20:42] <racecar56> yet i got it in 2003
[20:42]  * rconan has a 1998 pentium 3 900 laptop
[20:42] <deany> thx nebbes
[20:42] <arunreddy> When jaunty going to release
[20:42] <deany> i mean thx nemo
[20:42]  * racecar56 has a compaq sr1010z
[20:42] <arunreddy> !release
[20:42] <nemo> rconan: nyah nyah my laptop is wimpier than youuuurs :)
[20:42] <rconan> !outyet | arunreddy
[20:42] <rconan> nemo: you are clearly the winner
[20:42] <rconan> anyway...
[20:43] <rconan> !ot | rconan
[20:43] <arunreddy> !ot
[20:43] <Blues-Man> hi all
[20:43] <racecar56> hi
[20:43] <lupine_85> ooh, my kubuntu has megachanged
[20:43] <Blues-Man> i'm on kubuntu jaunty I can't connect through NetworkManager anymore and wlan0 interface is down at every startup
[20:44] <vart> are there other folders like .thumbnails that could be linked to /tmp to save place and clear on reboot automatically?
[20:44] <Blues-Man> I wonder why
[20:44] <lupine_85> now to get nvidia-glx working properly again
[20:45] <nemo> vart: seems to defeat the purpose of caching, no? :)
[20:45] <nemo> I like the idea of just restricting the thumbnail cache better
[20:45] <nemo> unless your uptime is decent of course
[20:45] <nemo> long uptime I suppose is roughly comparable to setting thumbnail cache expiration to a month or two
[20:46] <vart> nemo: I'm on the netbook - so I prefer to minimize disk usage even it slightly increases the latency of some operations
[20:46] <nemo> vart: SSD netbook?
[20:46] <racecar56> my hard drive on my laptop is loud
[20:46] <racecar56> ._.
[20:46] <racecar56> but i have some hard drive from y2k thats louder
[20:47] <nemo> vart: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-flash-filesystems/ - 'cause I was wondering if you'd considered one of these
[20:47] <nemo> vart: or at the very least, cranking the sync times waaaay up
[20:48] <vart> nemo: no - but still twicks for sdd helped to decrease the temperature of the netbook, I was worried before it that disk usage was extreamly high
[20:48] <nemo> vart: and allowing a higher level of fragmentation (since it doesn't matter as much with SSD)
[20:48] <nemo> vart: shame. was looking for someone to try a flash filesystem and report to me the results :)
[20:48] <nemo> vart: been considering buying the "pursebook" when it is released this year
[20:48] <nemo> like the vaio P series, but with actual, oh, linux compatibility
[20:48] <dalton2345> anyone know when i;ll be able to download the official jaunty release. how many hours
[20:49] <racecar56> hows it goin
[20:49] <racecar56> doh
[20:49] <nemo> vart: (the one by wistron)
[20:49] <Kai_wp> If Compiz Fusion won't run on my PC, then how can the "Extra" setting under the "Visual Effects" tab of "Appearance Preferences" work?
[20:49] <Pici> !outyet | dalton2345
[20:49] <racecar56> typed wrong window
[20:49] <Kai_wp> Doesn't it use Compiz?
[20:49] <Sniper606> wh not just install the RC then update
[20:49] <Sniper606> thats what im doing
[20:49] <nemo> Kai_wp: you sure it works? :)
[20:49] <racecar56> same
[20:49] <dalton2345> is it the same sniper?
[20:49] <nemo> Kai_wp: have you tried enabling it? might just check, decide there are no drivers, and abort
[20:49] <Sniper606> yep its the same
[20:50] <dalton2345> i have the rc downloaded, didnt burn it yet
[20:50] <haggisbasheruk> back in a while , installing todays latest jaunty iso
[20:50] <nemo> Kai_wp: well. this is interesting. I just tried on my semi-sucky work laptop
[20:50] <St0n3-C0l> Anyone here who uses intel driver?
[20:50] <nemo> Kai_wp: this intel card now seems to work with compiz - it didn't before...
[20:50] <Kai_wp> nemo: I seem to have this bug when attempting to use "compiz --replace" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/316214
[20:51] <St0n3-C0l> specially i810 users
[20:51] <nemo> Kai_wp: I just switched to "normal" from metacity. good times.
[20:51] <vart> nemo: thanks for the link - I will read it later
[20:51] <SilentDis> odd, i've not seen any updates come down for a day or 2 now, usually i see quite a few.
[20:51] <Kai_wp> nemo: Well, the "Extra" setting workrs for me too, but Compiz Fusion doesn't work and it used too. XD
[20:52] <racecar56> lold
[20:52] <nemo> Kai_wp: you enabled some bad plugin? *shrug*
[20:53] <Kai_wp> nemo: No I can't get Compiz Fusion to run at all, as in this bugreport https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/316214 it writes "XGL: Not present" and a long line of errors until it aborts.
[20:53] <Kai_wp> nemo: I just wonder how I can run "Extra" effects when Compiz Fusion won't run at all.
[20:54] <nemo> Kai_wp: ps auwx | grep compiz ?  :)
[20:54] <vart> SilentDis: Actually release freeze was declared on 16 when RC was released... So updates after that date should be considered strage :) - no updates in last 2 days should be ok
[20:54] <nemo> see what options *they* are passing, then try running that same commandline by hand?
[20:54] <nemo> Kai_wp: 'course, ubuntu probably uses some gconf settings...
[20:54] <nemo> Kai_wp: might have to look to see what they are setting there too. and maybe using a wrapper.
[20:54] <vinit> Hi all
[20:54] <SilentDis> vart: huh.  i am almost sure i pulled a new vid driver and kernel update since the 16th...
[20:55] <nemo> Kai_wp: hm. on my sucky system  --indirect-rendering is enabled
[20:55] <vinit> When jaunty will be available ?
[20:55] <Kai_wp> nemo: Where can I enable that
[20:55] <Kai_wp> vinit: Tommorow
[20:55] <vinit> means I am asking about time ?
[20:55] <Kai_wp> vinit: Precisely April the 22nd.
[20:56] <nemo> Kai_wp: I was just checking process list. that's what ubuntu was passing to compiz
[20:56] <ripps> !outyet | vinit
[20:56] <vinit> but here in my country it is 23rd
[20:56] <vart> SilentDis: I know... I got last update about 50-56 hours ago
[20:57] <vinit> but on down load page it is not there
[20:57] <vinit> :(
[20:57]  * lupine_85 tries to work out if this new kubuntu is pretty or not
[20:57] <vinit> ubottu what do u mean by join #ubuntu+1
[20:58] <SilentDis> lawl
[20:58]  * SilentDis hugs ubottu
[20:58] <racecar56> lawl
[20:59] <SilentDis> he's helpful... if a little dumb at times ;)
[20:59] <Halow> He's "special". ;)
[20:59] <SilentDis> rides the short open-source bus lol
[21:00] <ripps> !cookie
[21:00] <guntbert> apropos: is ubottu  here the same bot as in #ubuntu, or are these two different ?
[21:00] <SilentDis> poor abused bot.  s'ok we wuv him anyway :)
[21:00] <Halow> !snack
[21:02] <charlie-tca> !coffee
[21:02] <Kai_wp> !java
[21:02] <Kai_wp> !Multiverse
[21:02] <ripps> stop abusing the bot
[21:03] <SilentDis> it's a bit like chicken-browsing wikipedia.  you'll eventually get to kevin bacon!
[21:03]  * charlie-tca thinks poor bot is overworked
[21:03] <Kai_wp> Er, I actually don't know what the mean by Multiverse repository, so I checked
[21:03] <rconan> if you want to piss around with the bot do it in #ubuntu-bots
[21:04] <ripps> Kai_wp: use /msg if want to ask a question, that way you don't spam the channel
[21:04] <bercik> Fglrx and open drivers are already working fine in Jaunty, right?
[21:04]  * genii sips some delicious coffee
[21:04] <ripps> bercik: yes. fglrx only works rv600+
[21:05] <bercik> ripps: Thanks. And will not work with olders, will it?
[21:06] <ripps> bercik: never, amd discontinued support all models r500 and below
[21:06] <ripps> radeon is your only resource for those cards now
[21:07] <bercik> ripps: and radeon driver doesnt support full 3D?
[21:07] <ripps> bercik: depends on your card, newer cards, not so much
[21:07] <bercik> OK, one more thing: How to downgrade to XServer 1.5?
[21:07] <ripps> Install Ubuntu 8.10 or less
[21:08] <bercik> ripps: not possible to just downgrade?
[21:08] <ripps> nope
[21:08] <racecar56> i have a computer with a rv280se
[21:08] <bercik> damn
[21:08] <racecar56> !whee
[21:08] <racecar56> !wheee
[21:08] <racecar56> !wheee
[21:08] <racecar56> !wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[21:08] <racecar56> hee hee
[21:08] <ripps> racecar56: leave the poor bot alone
[21:10] <racecar56> does 6.06 have xserver 1.5?
[21:11] <crdlb> racecar56: much older
[21:12] <crdlb> !info xserver-xorg-core dapper
[21:12] <racecar56> lol 1.0
[21:12] <racecar56> !info xserver-xorg-core fiesty
[21:12] <racecar56> lol
[21:12] <racecar56> !info xserver-xorg-core gutsy
[21:13] <racecar56> 1.3...
[21:13] <racecar56> !info xserver-xorg-core hardy
[21:13] <crdlb> stop that
[21:13] <racecar56> im done
[21:13] <crdlb> what are you looking for?
[21:13] <racecar56> just looking at info
[21:13] <racecar56> finding out the xserver versions for distro versions
[21:13] <ripps> racecar56: if want to ask a bot a question use /msg ubottu
[21:13] <piksi> racecar56: you can do that in query
[21:13] <racecar56> oh
[21:13] <racecar56> k
[21:14] <rconan> or in #ubuntu-bots
[21:15] <racecar56> i wanna leave now.. im pretty much donbe chatting.. cya later
[21:15] <ripps> later
[21:15] <racecar56> bye
[21:17] <blag> is there an eta as to when the 2.6.29 kernel is expected to arrive in the jaunty repos?
[21:17] <maxb> blag: never
[21:17] <Halow> !outyet
[21:19] <blag> i know its not out yet...when it does come out, will i be able to get the 2.6.29 kernel from the repos at some point?
[21:19] <glootech> hi, lulz
[21:19] <jacob> blag: not from the archives, no
[21:20] <jacob> blag: if you would like to test a mainline kernel (no ubuntu patches) you'll find info on that here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[21:21] <ripps> jacob beat me to it
[21:21] <milkncat> When is the release date for ubuntu 9.04 ?
[21:21] <kklimonda> milkncat: when it's done
[21:21] <kklimonda> milkncat: tomorrow/today based on your local time
[21:21] <ripps> !outyet |milkncat
[21:22] <blag> jacob: ah, thanks.
[21:23] <ripps> Hmm... there needs to be a bot alias for mainline
[21:23] <racecar56> ive decided ill come back
[21:23] <ripps> Or at least mention it with the kernel alias
[21:23] <racecar56> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic 5446 GD
[21:25] <jacob> !mainline is If you're looking to try out a mainline kernel (ie, no Ubuntu patches), visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds at your own peril.
[21:25] <jacob> now someone just has to approve it
[21:26] <ienorand> Is anyone else seing very odd behaviour in evince... If I mark text in a pdf it also marks a huge chunk on the opposite column, making copy-paste impossible: e.g. the end of http://departments.colgate.edu/physics/faculty/EGalvez/articles/ajpbs02.pdf (see "acknowledgements" particularly)
[21:29] <cougarten> hi, is my homefolder decrypted when the screensaver requires authentification on activity (I encrypted my homefolder with the alternate installer (jaunty))
[21:29] <blag> ienorand: yes, i see the same thing
[21:30] <joaopinto> ienorand, yes, same here
[21:30] <cougarten> and btw, It seems to be possible to encrypt the disk and the homefolder with the alternate install CD, maybe there should be a note so you don't encrypt it twice because you are scared the first selection on encrypt might not include home
[21:31] <blag> ienorand: griffiths is a good text, i must say.  im staring at mine now.  :-)
[21:31] <ripps> I don't see the point in encrypting your entire /home, If I have some really secret stuff (e.g. porn) I'll just the encrypted /Private folder
[21:31] <rconan> ripps: things like .ssh and .gnupg being encrypted is often nice
[21:32] <rconan> same with .firefox and .thunderbird now I thinik
[21:32] <ripps> rconan: those can just be symlinked from the Private directory
[21:32] <cougarten> I have a spare computer so I can mix real need and proof of concept :)
[21:32] <rconan> easier to just encrypt /home as far as I see
[21:32] <rconan> if the proc can handle it
[21:32] <racecar56> brb
[21:32] <joaopinto> cougarten, your home folder is not generally decrypted, it is decrypted on a per need basis, with the keys retrieved during login
[21:33] <joaopinto> cougarten, unlocking with the screensaver has no effect on your data
[21:33] <joaopinto> ripps, it's safer to assume all your data is private, unless you want it to be public
[21:34] <ripps> It just seems an unneeded level of secrecy, that's all
[21:34] <cougarten> joaopinto: so it can be partitially decrypted? (somwhere on the way between a programm requesting a file and reciving the decrypted file)
[21:34] <nztal> joaopinto, do you know, if its difficult to reinstall ubuntu, if you have a encrypted /home, keeping your /home data ?  given that you'd be formatting /
[21:34] <joaopinto> cougarten, yes, that is how it works
[21:35] <cougarten> nztal I could copy the home decrypted or take it allong encrypted. After the install there is a note that you need a secure key which was generated to encrypt it.
[21:35] <cougarten> joaopinto: great :)
[21:35] <joaopinto> nztal, I am not using an encrypted home, but it shouldn't be hard, just make sure you read how-to before doing it :P
[21:36] <ienorand> blag: bleh... means that evince's marking system is borked. Seem to find ongoing work upstream though (after a bit of bug-sniffing): http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325189 &https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4006
[21:37] <Ahmuck> someone told me 9.04 was out ?
[21:37] <nztal> cougarten, that is a particular phrase, which i have printed out.  would that be good enough ?
[21:37] <joaopinto> !notyet
[21:37] <blag> the sad part is that i dont even get annoyed when gnome stuff doesnt work anymore...
[21:37] <kklimonda> !release > Ahmuck
[21:37] <cougarten> nztal: you will decrypt by typing your userpasswort which unlocks the real password used for encryption
[21:37]  * ienorand didn't know ubottu handled bugzilla as well...
[21:38] <cougarten> nztal: that real password is randomly generated
[21:38] <BUGabundo> guud evening !
[21:38] <joaopinto> hello BUGabundo
[21:38] <BUGabundo> nice to see all this usual _faces_
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[21:39] <charlie-tca> !outyet
[21:39] <ienorand> Hia BUGabundo
[21:40] <charlie-tca> The fun is just beginning
[21:40] <nztal> cougarten, ok thanks.  i think i'll have to reinstall, just to find out.  i may wish to change my user password, and i cannot do that right now, without locking me out of gnome.  on reinstallation, i simply want to keep my encrypted /home user data
[21:40] <cougarten> btw: my ubuntu froze a few days ago while shutting down after an update, I had to reset and now grub or the MBR or something is broken. Is that a common problem or did I/my PC fucked it up on its own?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: charlie-tca: ienorand hi back
[21:40] <cougarten> nztal: you have to choose the alternate installer (in case you didn't know)
[21:41] <xemacs23456> cougarten, use bootable cd/dvd and see if you can look around
[21:41] <nztal> cougarten, yes thats what i used to encrypt it.  maybe thats why i couldn't keep the data a long time ago, when i tried to preserve the data.  i may be worrying about a whole lot of nothing.  :)
[21:41] <cougarten> xemacs23456: I can, but all the grub tricks didnt work (but they changed something at least)
[21:42] <xemacs23456> cougarten, what type of filesystem, can you check and repair it from the dvd ?
[21:43] <cougarten> ACPI: Aborted because invalid compressed format (err=1).  [...] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable tu mount root fs unknown-block(0,0)
[21:44] <cougarten> xemacs23456: ext4 :) maybe a bad Idea
[21:44] <xemacs23456> cougarten, fsck is equivalent if chckdsk
[21:44] <xemacs23456> cougarten, yes you may loose data  with sck
[21:45] <cougarten> xemacs23456 guessed that, it can just be run from the normal install version, right?
[21:45] <cougarten> xemacs23456 luckily there's not to much to lose
[21:45] <xemacs23456> i think so i have not used ext4
[21:45] <nztal> i am now trying to make room at the beginning of a laptop hard drive, because at the end of the hard drive is a recovery partition for a windows installation on a laptop, is that a problem, installing ubuntu, at the beginning of a laptop, with recovery partition at the end ?  i've made the recovery disks.
[21:45] <cougarten> does it make a read speed difference on an ssd?
[21:46] <BUGabundo> nztal: on newer systems there is no prob where you place it
[21:46] <cougarten> nztal should be no problem, but I'm no pro either :)
[21:46] <nztal> thanks BUGabundo
[21:47] <BUGabundo> nztal: on some older ones /boot was required t obe under the 1024 sectors limit
[21:47] <nztal> last laptop was stolen :/
[21:47] <nztal> ty
[21:47] <BUGabundo> nztal: makes backups and use encription this time eheh
[21:47] <nztal> yep
[21:48] <cougarten> thx and bye
[21:49] <BUGabundo> cougarten: leaving us already?
[21:50] <cougarten> BUGabundo: I don't think I could be much help :)
[21:50] <racecar56> back
[21:50] <cougarten> but I can stay aswell :) thank you
[21:50] <Ventero> Anyone got an idea how to make my gnome panel start up automatically when I log in...?
[21:51] <racecar56> dosen't it already
[21:51] <racecar56> ?
[21:51] <jpds> Ventero: sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[21:51] <BUGabundo> cougarten: any one can, on their own way
[21:51] <Sniper606> Ventero, hit alt-f2, then type in gnome-panel
[21:52] <jpds> Ventero: NO, don't do that, misread question.
[21:52] <Ventero> Sniper: That's not automatically ;P
[21:52] <cougarten> okey, good. than I'll stay. I like to contribute a bit :)
[21:52] <Sniper606> yah it works
[21:52] <Ventero> racecar56: No, it doesn't do that anymore :(
[21:52] <Sniper606> trust me
[21:52] <racecar56> jpds, im running 9.04 :>
[21:52] <Sniper606> ive had it dissapear on me before
[21:52] <Ventero> jpds: Ooookay o_O
[21:52] <jpds> racecar56: Cool.
[21:52] <Sniper606> when you shutdown choose save session
[21:52] <Sniper606> and when you restart it will work normally
[21:52] <jpds> Ventero: I read 'GDM' instead of 'gnome panel'.
[21:52] <Ventero> Sniper606: Tried it, didn't help
[21:52] <racecar56> jpds, i like it, it IS faster, just one thing i won't have ext4 as i upgraded
[21:53] <racecar56> jpds, and xvidcap works AWESOME
[21:53] <racecar56> does xvidcap record sound?
[21:53] <jpds> racecar56: Yeah, but you can convert ext3 to ext4.
[21:53] <racecar56> jpds, orly? im interested
[21:53] <racecar56> jpds, without losing data, right?
[21:53] <kklimonda> yes
[21:54] <racecar56> k00l
[21:54] <ribo> there's some caveat to going from 3 -> 4
[21:54] <jpds> racecar56: http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4#head-3891522e0601162aab24c73c1f148a1e28c6a9d4
[21:54] <ribo> like some features that won't work
[21:54] <ribo> iirc
[21:55] <Ventero> So, anyone else got an idea? :/
[21:56] <sherwin> hello. How do I register a nickname?
[21:56] <racecar56> !register
[21:58] <sherwin> thanks. Now, I have my wifi card working in my desktop using ndiswrapper. How do i make the ndiswrapper module load on boot? apparently, something is different in jaunty
[21:58] <racecar56> sherwin, add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules?
[21:59] <sherwin> actually, nevermind, I think i just found the file,  /etc/modules
[21:59] <sherwin> sorry, beat me to it:)
[22:00] <sherwin> one more thing. I have two networks, a private and an unencrypted. I need help figuring out why this computer will not connect to the WPA network. The unencrypted works fine. My laptop works fine, its running Jaunty as well. But not the desktop. Wifi card is a netgear wg311v3
[22:00] <racecar56> does 8.04 work with rtl8029AS?
[22:00] <Ventero> Just to make sure: Gconf-editor says  /desktop/gnome/session/required_components_list is [windowmanager,panel,filemanager]. Doesn't that mean that it should start those 3 components whenever I log in? :/
[22:01] <unitedpotsmokers> hello, when jaunty jacklope will release?
[22:01] <cougarten> tomorrow
[22:02] <svu> I cannot get any sound from jaunty (ppc), how could I debug that?
[22:02] <crimsun> svu: use: ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[22:02] <cougarten> is the wpa+wpa2 encryption bug solved?
[22:03] <ienorand> cougarten: What bug? ( I think I might be ill as well :) )
[22:03] <cougarten> hmm, wifi does not connect than. I search for the bugreport, brb
[22:04] <haggisbasheruk> lol @ night rider bootup :)
[22:04] <BUGabundo> crimsun: new nick?
[22:04] <crimsun> BUGabundo: no, just forgot to switch
[22:04] <crimsun> (and no point now in using /nick)
[22:04] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:05] <cougarten> ienorand having rt2860 (its in the EEE PC 901/1000)
[22:05] <cougarten> ?
[22:06] <ienorand> cougarten: No: Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)... so maybe not the same problem then...
[22:06] <cougarten> yea, than it's something different
[22:07] <BUGabundo> crimsun: are you busy? I have a loco user requesting help with PA
[22:07] <sherwin> cougarten: you using ndiswrapper?
[22:07] <crimsun> BUGabundo: not atm
[22:07] <BUGabundo> crimsun: no prob. thanks anyway
[22:08] <cougarten> sherwin on my EEE? no
[22:08] <crimsun> BUGabundo: err, that was "no, i'm not busy atm"
[22:08] <sherwin> is that what you're having trouble connecting WPA with?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> eheheh crimsun I better sleep more! LOL
[22:08] <cougarten> sherwin: no need to help I just switched to wpa2
[22:09] <sherwin> just curious. My laptop with Atheros connects just fine to my WPA2, but this desktop i am working on for a friend will not connect to it using ndiswrapper's WG311V3 driver.
[22:09] <cougarten> but my Netgear wg311v3 USB does not work (without the wrapper too, but I don't need that stick either)
[22:09] <sherwin> cougarten: the wg311 is working for me on my unencrypted network.
[22:09] <cougarten> sherwin i found an alternative to the wrapper, one moment
[22:10] <sherwin> I think I'll just tell sherwin to unencrypt their home network :) they dont have a neighbor for about five miles either direction
[22:11] <BUGabundo> crimsun: here is xhaker asking for help
[22:11] <BUGabundo> introductions done, now lets fix it!
[22:11] <cougarten> sherwin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6759228&postcount=68
[22:13] <xhaker> crimsun: first ubuntu install in this machine.. current cdimages.. no sound.. p5q-em board with ich10.. also it says Realtek ALC1200
[22:14] <cougarten> sherwin: anything I could try with my Netgear? otherwise I'll shutdown that mashine and use the monitor for something else
[22:14] <erle-> jaunty will be released soon but the kernel still does not boot up on my machine
[22:14] <sherwin> sorry, just got a phonecall, let me read and catch  up
[22:14] <Daskreech> Can I configure the notification?
[22:15] <Daskreech> Like Can I turn some programs off from using it?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> xhaker: wget http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh and run it
[22:16] <sherwin> cougarten: this one is the desktop card, not usb. looks like it used a marvell chipset
[22:17] <sherwin> 00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03
[22:17] <cougarten> sherwin: k, sry
[22:17] <sherwin> no prob, every little bit helps
[22:17] <BUGabundo> crimsun: ping ?
[22:17] <Daskreech> I don't really mind if it's turning them off from notifying all together or having them use another notification system
[22:18] <kklimonda> Daskreech: some applications has options regarding notifications. But not all of them.
[22:18] <Daskreech> kklimonda: So it's just from the applications POV then
[22:18] <Daskreech> That makes sense actually
[22:19] <BUGabundo> xhaker: crimsun seems to be away no :\ still run that and post the link
[22:19] <racecar56> brb
[22:19] <BUGabundo> xhaker: or file a bug with $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[22:19] <kklimonda> Daskreech: there is going to be do-not-disturb mode (when notifications aren't displayed but logged to ~/.config/notfy-osd.log) in notify-osd but ETA is uknown to me.
[22:19] <Daskreech> So there is not going to be any configuration for the notification system
[22:20] <Daskreech> Or at least non is planned?
[22:20] <Daskreech> none
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Daskreech: not for this cycle!
[22:20] <kklimonda> Daskreech: Last time I was reading about notify-osd developers' point of view was that no configuration is required.
[22:21] <kklimonda> yeah, that too.
[22:21] <Daskreech> Ok so if I don't want something to notify turn it off I f idon't want it to use this NOtification system I'm SOL ?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> maco: ping. is crimsun still online? available?
[22:21] <calc> Daskreech: iirc you can uninstall the notify-osd package
[22:21] <kklimonda> Daskreech: if applications doesn't provide any way of setting it then yes, yoo are out of luck.
[22:22] <BUGabundo> calc: I guess its better we don't start advertising that!
[22:22] <Daskreech> calc: Yeah I've heard about a gnome-scintellia package aswell
[22:22] <rconan> not sure if this counts as on topic but... what is an inode? what does using different sizes do? and how does it effect performance on ext3
[22:22] <BUGabundo> or else we will have users on a poor state to debug latter
[22:22] <crimsun> BUGabundo: sorry, connection issues
[22:22] <thiebaude> hi BUGabundo
[22:22] <BUGabundo> Daskreech: straciatela
[22:22] <Daskreech> rconan: it's the anchor for a file name
[22:22] <Daskreech> BUGabundo: Thanks what's the implications of that?
[22:22] <crimsun> xhaker: please run `ubuntu-bug alsa-base'
[22:22] <rconan> Daskreech: what difference does bigger or smaller ones make?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> crimsun: np! what's up with your net? I keep hearing about probs there!
[22:23] <Daskreech> rconan: what are you speaking on? Numbers of Inodes?
[22:23] <crimsun> BUGabundo: if i knew, i'd be in trouble
[22:23] <kklimonda> Daskreech: removing notify-osd will delete ubuntu-desktop meta package and there may be problems during next release upgrade.
[22:24] <rconan> Daskreech: one of the filesystem creation options is inode size and ext2-ifs for windows doesn't support large ones so I was wondering if using smaller than default would make a difference
[22:24] <Daskreech> kklimonda: No I meant for the gnome-straciatela
[22:25] <Daskreech> rconan: Ah Umm that might be block size.
[22:25] <kklimonda> Daskreech: oh -  gnome-straciatella-session adds "Upstream GNOME" session to GDM.
[22:25] <kklimonda> Daskreech: when you launch it you will get notification-daemon instead of notify-osd.
[22:25] <kklimonda> Daskreech: and few more minor changes (hidden indicator-applet, mainstream mail notification for evolution).
[22:26] <Daskreech> GnomeShell? :)
[22:26] <kklimonda> no
[22:26] <kklimonda> gnome-shell is still in development
[22:26] <haggisbasheruk> i am all Jauntied up with todays latest image :) running great so far on Acer Aspire One A150 , very fast boot and responsive
[22:26] <Daskreech> GnomeShell is planned as an option for Gnome+1 ?
[22:27] <Daskreech> I know I'm running the Git now
[22:27] <kklimonda> Daskreech: i've heard they are thinking about including it in 2.30/3.0 release
[22:27] <haggisbasheruk> is todays image whats being released tommorrow ?
[22:27] <kklimonda> Daskreech: but so far nothing final about it..
[22:28] <airtonix> question: intrepid killed the font preview thumbnailer in nautilus. Is it back in jaunty?
[22:28] <cowgarden> I dislike nautilus :)
[22:28] <Daskreech> ah as I had understood it would be something to play with in 2.28 and the default in 2.30 with a possible option to revert to default
[22:28] <haggisbasheruk> hi khunt
[22:28] <Daskreech> cowgarden: pcmanfm or dolphin :)
[22:28] <khunt> hi
[22:28] <Daskreech> Or thunar
[22:28] <khunt> what you doing here :-)
[22:28] <haggisbasheruk> just installed todays daily image :)
[22:29] <haggisbasheruk> i am nosey :P
[22:29] <cowgarden> Daskreech: yea, pcman was nortoncommander-like, right?
[22:29] <airtonix> cowgarden, no
[22:29] <cowgarden> oh so I mixed them up. have to make a filebrowserinstall-session one day
[22:30] <airtonix> pcmanfm is a simplified clone of windows explorer
[22:30] <khunt> i am trying to create a .desktop file to launch a script but it keeps saying unable in initiate child process ./3gdial.sh no such file or directory but I know for a fact it lies and that the script is excecutable
[22:30] <g4lv4tr0n> what times the jaunty release ?
[22:30] <ellar> will jaunty have bittorrent link http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-alternate-amd64.iso.torrent so i can program a scipt to download it in night?
[22:30] <airtonix> question: intrepid killed the font preview thumbnailer in nautilus. Is it back in jaunty?
[22:31] <BUGabundo> this is a bit OT, but anyone knows where I can get jaunty artwork to print and set on a stand for jaunty launch?
[22:31] <ienorand> Apr 22 15:59:49 Mell kernel: [73349.810469] iwlagn: MAC is in deep sleep! < could this, from kern.log, be a reasom for wpa not working?
[22:31] <Daskreech> Kubuntu ships with the weather plugin for Jackalope?
[22:31] <BUGabundo> Daskreech: should!
[22:31] <airtonix> wtb answer
[22:32] <khunt> haggis is it safe to upgrade kuki yet?
[22:32] <khunt> does it still break?
[22:33] <haggisbasheruk> i would think it would be fine now but intel driver is a mess now :(
[22:33] <khunt> how bad?
[22:33] <khunt> Intel driver has been poor for a couple of kernels
[22:33] <haggisbasheruk> artifacts on GL
[22:34] <thiebaude> khunt: you have an intel graphics card?
[22:34] <khunt> I have 2
[22:34] <thiebaude> is your X freezing?
[22:34] <khunt> one in my dell
[22:34] <haggisbasheruk> inly been runnning for 5-10 minst khunt so have not messed with things yet
[22:34] <khunt> and one in my aa1
[22:34] <khunt> I am on dell now
[22:34] <khunt> seems fine
[22:35] <khunt> not freezing
[22:35] <khunt> am all up to date too
[22:35] <thiebaude> yea, i fixed my problem yesterday
[22:35] <haggisbasheruk> glxgears stutters :(
[22:35] <khunt> bummer
[22:35] <khunt> i am having .desktop issues
[22:35] <admin_masu3701> when is 9.04 coming safe to install?
[22:36] <Tekno> tomorrow
[22:36]  * haggisbasheruk is running todays daily image
[22:36] <joaopinto> admin_masu3701, 9.04 is already safe to install, not final yet
[22:36] <BUGabundo> admin_masu3701: either never or 2 months ago
[22:37] <cowgarden> admin_masu3701: and for shure in 2 month XD
[22:37] <mrwes> safe?
[22:37] <BUGabundo> cowgarden: are you sure ? LOL
[22:37] <admin_masu3701> joapinto: i had the beta version but my wireless card couldnt work
[22:37] <BUGabundo> admin_masu3701: let me put it this way: if you are scared, just keep what you have
[22:37] <Halow> !outyet | admin_masu3701
[22:37] <xhaker> crimsun: bug 365292
[22:38] <BUGabundo> xhaker: hey tas bibo
[22:38] <crimsun> xhaker: ok, will look soon
[22:38] <xhaker> BUGabundo: a net no desktop é feia :)
[22:38] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:38] <xemacs23456> who do i talk to about contributing to ubuntu ?
[22:38] <admin_masu3701> am just making sure that my wireless will work..
[22:39] <Daskreech> admin_masu3701: should be safe but try the live CD
[22:39] <BUGabundo> xemacs23456: just beeing here, you already can contribute
[22:39] <BUGabundo> xemacs23456: what are you good at?
[22:39] <kaali> anyone here knows when it will be released?
[22:39] <BUGabundo> admin_masu3701: did you file a bug for it?
[22:40] <BUGabundo> kaali: sure
[22:40] <xemacs23456> qa, c, c++, perl, it
[22:40] <BUGabundo> kaali: its shedule for tomorrow
[22:40] <BUGabundo> xemacs23456: guess #ubuntu-motu would be a good point to start!
[22:40] <kaali> i ment time..   allready 23.4 here.. :D
[22:40] <xemacs23456> or i can even mentor
[22:40] <Daskreech> kaali: Need to get it the minute it comes out?
[22:40] <BUGabundo> kaali: humm 22:40 here
[22:40] <xemacs23456> ty BUGabundo
[22:40] <admin_masu3701> Daskreech: ok
[22:40] <kaali> cuz i'd like to "donate" my 100mbit to distributing it
[22:41] <thiebaude> 5:20pm here
[22:41] <admin_masu3701> BUGabundo: no
[22:41] <BUGabundo> kaali: if history teachs us something, 16-20h GMT
[22:41] <thiebaude> wron time
[22:41] <BUGabundo> admin_masu3701: then how do expect it to be known by the devs and keep you posted on the fix???
[22:41] <mrwes> kaali, so grab the torrent and seed back
[22:41] <kaali> mrwes: thats what i had in mind..
[22:42] <BUGabundo> mrwes: not just "a" torrent, but all of them ehehe kaali
[22:42] <BUGabundo> xemacs23456: but feel free to tag along in here, and help fix bugs!
[22:42] <kaali> too bad i have to go to work at 15pm +2 gmt
[22:42] <dalton2345> first there first serve eh
[22:43] <admin_masu3701> is 9.04 all different thn the 8.10? what are the new stuff?
[22:43] <mrwes> sigh...
[22:43] <khunt> read the changelog
[22:43] <khunt> on the website
[22:43] <kaali> maybe if i could somehow get .torrent(s) before release..?
[22:43] <charlie-tca> It is only 21:43 GMT now
[22:43] <mrwes> admin_masu3701, it's 0.94 better
[22:43] <Daskreech> kaali: Yes you could and no one would be on them
[22:43] <kaali> so those will be waitin in my torrent client til "seeder" comes up
[22:44] <xemacs23456> seems like more teaching basic admin skills here and main channel
[22:44] <kaali> Daskreech: i know
[22:44] <kaali> Daskreech: plz tell me where
[22:44] <Daskreech> admin_masu3701: Read the changelog :-)
[22:45] <BUGabundo> kaali: get the daily images
[22:45] <BUGabundo> and the rsync tomorrow if anything changes, force check and seed them
[22:45] <mrwes> I didn't see any updated today aye?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> xemacs23456: if #ubuntu is your like, sure! its too *crowd* for me, and many of us here
[22:46] <BUGabundo> mrwes: no changes here either
[22:46] <admin_masu3701> Daskreech: what the link to the site?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> ubuntu.com admin_masu3701 LOL
[22:46] <kaali> BUGabundo: i dont need images..    just .torrent.. :D
[22:46] <mrwes> BUGabundo, you got my addicted to gnome-do
[22:46] <BUGabundo> admin_masu3701: or http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[22:46] <mrwes> me*
[22:46] <kaali> so i can be there tire after release.. to seed like mofo
[22:46] <xemacs23456> i have very high speed connection , just sampling channels now, trying to decide if i want debian or ubuntu
[22:46] <BUGabundo> kaali: but I can just get the images, and just seed them
[22:47] <BUGabundo> mrwes: I told you
[22:47] <Daskreech> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview
[22:47] <Daskreech> xemacs23456: How experienced are you with Linux?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> xemacs23456: eheh Ubuntu please? or both
[22:49] <fincan> when?
[22:49] <Halow> !outyet | fincan
[22:49] <haggisbasheruk> when the wind blows your way fincan :P
[22:50] <fincan> lol
[22:50] <fincan> just trying sweety bots :)
[22:50] <BUGabundo> fincan: Halow is not a bot!
[22:51] <Halow> Not last I checked, anyway. ;)
[22:51] <fincan> ubottu?
[22:51] <fincan> :D
[22:51] <haggisbasheruk> fincan: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:52] <fincan> haggisbasheruk: final?
[22:52] <haggisbasheruk> or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[22:52] <haggisbasheruk> just do an update tommorrow for any changes
[22:52] <cowgarden> BUGabundo: kaali want's to go to sleep and make his computer seed as soon as possible without further interaction
[22:53] <kaali> cowgarden: pretty much
[22:53] <kaali> and work tomorrow so i cant sit on the computer waitin when it will be released
[22:53] <foogmaa> actually, it should be out in 14 hours, give or take 12 hours
[22:54] <BUGabundo> cowgarden: kaali there are no FINAL torrents yet on torrents.ubutnu.com:6969
[22:54] <cowgarden> .. I know
[22:54] <cowgarden> but it was possible to set them up allready, wasn't it?
[22:54] <kaali> rss would be nice
[22:55] <BUGabundo> cowgarden: NO. it needs the hash
[22:56] <ferronica> hello people
[22:56] <ferronica> so ubuntu 9.04 OUT???////
[22:56] <crimsun> xhaker: please unmute 'Surround', 'Center', 'LFE', 'Side'
[22:56] <haggisbasheruk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ then update tommorow ferronica
[22:57] <ferronica> this one is RC
[22:57] <ferronica> not final one :(
[22:57] <haggisbasheruk> its daily image
[22:57] <ferronica> ya i know
[22:57] <ferronica> but i need final release :)
[22:57] <Halow> As long as you update it will be the final release.
[22:57] <ferronica> i will wait
[22:57] <Halow> !final
[22:57] <joaopinto> so just wait
[22:58] <haggisbasheruk> lol
[22:58] <ferronica> lol
[22:58] <ferronica> but there is no official release of final version though
[22:58] <noren> i upgraded from the 8.10 will i have to change the repo list now
[22:58] <pinnerup_> Any ideas when tomorrow JJ will be released? Thing is I've been asked to do an intro to Ubuntu to a smaller crowd tomorrow evening (about 18 hours from now) and it would be really neat if I could use the new version instead of II. (The coinciding date was incidental.)
[22:58] <Daskreech> pinnerup_: get the daily
[22:59] <xhaker> crimsun: not sound yet
[22:59] <Daskreech> They won't know the difference
[22:59] <thiebaude> already 99 people in #ubuntu-release-party
[22:59] <pinnerup_> Daskreech: That's probably right. It doesn't say?
[22:59] <ferronica> this 8.10 release buggy
[22:59] <crimsun> xhaker: and if you mute 'IEC958'?
[22:59] <Daskreech> ferronica: Seems ok For Kubuntu
[22:59] <ferronica> :S
[22:59] <crimsun> xhaker: as a heads-up, your codec isn't well-supported in jaunty
[22:59] <noren> hi Daskreech
[22:59] <Daskreech> Hi
[22:59] <ferronica> my keyborad multimedia keys didnt worked
[23:00] <crimsun> xhaker: you really want a git snapshot of alsa-driver - not even 1.0.19 is new enough
[23:00] <fincan> when?
[23:00] <fincan> :D
[23:00] <ferronica> using Microsoft laser mouse and KB 6000 version 2.0
[23:00] <cowgarden> BUGabundo: the hash.. got it now :)
[23:00] <Gullstad> I'm guessing ubuntu stable wont be released when time hits 00:00? =)
[23:01] <ferronica> here 23rd 3:00AM
[23:01] <Halow> Depends what time zone... and which day you're talking about.
[23:01] <ferronica> but no update
[23:01] <BUGabundo> noren: WHAT????
[23:01] <BUGabundo> noren: don't manually change the sources.list
[23:01] <BUGabundo> noren: use $ update-manager -d ! it will do it all for you
[23:02] <xhaker> crimsun: eek.. i's seeing Null Output (PulseAudio Mixer) on the sound preferences
[23:02] <Anyoseyo> soo...
[23:02] <Anyoseyo> how much longer til release :)
[23:03] <xhaker> crimsun: i should be seeing HDA Intel there right?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> Anyoseyo: several hours
[23:03] <crimsun> xhaker: what's the output from: pactl stat|grep ^D
[23:04] <xhaker> crimsun: default sink and default_source auto_null{,.monitor}
[23:04] <crimsun> xhaker: yeah, that's a problem.
[23:04] <ah7013> i'm running the janunty release candidate will i be able to upgrade to the final version when it comes out?
[23:05] <noren_> i upgraded from the 8.10 will i have to change the repo list now after the official realeas
[23:05] <Anyoseyo> and how will you upgrade?
[23:05] <crimsun> xhaker: are the basics working? i.e., pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0
[23:05] <Halow> ah7013: Yes, just keep doing your daily upgrades and it will be the final.
[23:05] <ah7013> thanks
[23:05] <Halow> Updates even.
[23:06] <BUGabundo> ah7013: yes you can! just run update-manager
[23:06] <xhaker> crimsun: nope.. open error -22 invalid argument
[23:06] <BUGabundo> noren_: stop saying stupid stuff! why would you have to do that?
[23:07] <BUGabundo> who here wants to open a poll to vote Gnome DO in the Desktop Seed for Karmic Koala? ?
[23:07] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: yes
[23:08] <noren_> y so rude
[23:08] <Halow> Desktop Seed?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> noren_ sorry! didn't mean to be! I'm just asking
[23:08] <crimsun> xhaker: much as i suspected. you'll likely need http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-snapshot.tar.bz2
[23:08] <BUGabundo> Halow: the seed that states what will be installed in the desktop version
[23:09] <BUGabundo> noren_: also start the conversation with the nick of the person you want to talk to
[23:09] <JerkyBoys> will 9.04 be released at midnight?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> JerkyBoys: no, not exacly
[23:09] <BUGabundo> why?
[23:09] <JerkyBoys> just wonderin
[23:09] <Daisuke-Ido> JerkyBoys: it will be released when it's released.
[23:10] <foogmaa> it's usually released around noon GMT give or take about 8 hours
[23:10] <JerkyBoys> i go into work late tomorrow, so just wondering if anyone know when
[23:10] <Anyoseyo> all these anxious people >.<
[23:10] <JerkyBoys> hehe
[23:10] <thiebaude> yup
[23:10] <JerkyBoys> i am excited
[23:10] <Daisuke-Ido> foogmaa: should have just said +/- 12 hours :D
[23:10]  * Anyoseyo just installed 8.10, and will now need to update
[23:10] <Halow> BUGabundo: But what about K/Xubuntu? I realized while trying Xubuntu (and knowing I can't live without Do) that I needed to install a LOAD of GNOME things just to meet dependencies for the plugins.
[23:10] <Daisuke-Ido> JerkyBoys: so upgrade now
[23:10] <foogmaa> lol
[23:10] <BUGabundo> man... I scared another user! am I that rude?
[23:10] <xhaker> crimsun: thanks for the help.
[23:11] <JerkyBoys> upgrade to what, 9.04 is not out
[23:11] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: your kewl
[23:11] <gotsanity> anyone got any experience running a wine program in a dedicated x server?
[23:11] <foogmaa> i've never seen a release that went up at 1800 GMT though, it's always earlier
[23:11] <BUGabundo> JerkyBoys: I've been running jaunty since november! for me its just another day
[23:11] <Daisuke-Ido> JerkyBoys: it's a release candidate.  if you upgrade now and keep up with the updates, you'll already HAVE the release version.
[23:11] <JerkyBoys> i dont like beta's or RC's
[23:11] <BUGabundo> Anyoseyo: please read the release notes
[23:11] <Daisuke-Ido> it's not lie everything is going to change in a matter of hours
[23:11] <BUGabundo> then $ update-manager -d
[23:12] <Daskreech> Halow: Kubuntu has krunner
[23:12] <BUGabundo> Halow: DO works on Xub, but that is another seed, and I bet the core devs don't want the bloadt that DO brings
[23:12] <Daisuke-Ido> JerkyBoys: besides, at this point, the RC is final, since all that's left is packaging and such.  there will likely be no major changes to packages from this point until release
[23:12] <Halow> Ahh... I tried Kubuntu for about all of a day and made a u-turn for gnome. :)
[23:12] <JerkyBoys> i read they will be correcting the ext4 issue
[23:12] <BUGabundo> Daisuke-Ido: JerkyBoys: its not even RC. its archive current stat
[23:13] <BUGabundo> s/stat/state
[23:13] <JerkyBoys> its no worries, i can wait
[23:13] <Jacxz> any eta on final? :p
[23:13] <Daisuke-Ido> BUGabundo: upgrading from intrepid at this point is to current, but installing from an RC cd would be just that, RC.
[23:13] <Daisuke-Ido> Jacxz: when it's done
[23:13] <Jacxz> ^^
[23:14] <Daisuke-Ido> sometime in the next, oh, 25 hours
[23:14] <BUGabundo> Daisuke-Ido: actually tehre were some _minor_ changes to RC
[23:14] <leprechau> quick question....what timezone does the countdown on the official site use?
[23:14] <Daisuke-Ido> BUGabundo: and doing updates after installing RC would bring that into line with the current
[23:14] <Daisuke-Ido> -the
[23:14] <BUGabundo> of course
[23:14] <BUGabundo> leprechau: no idea! UK maybe?
[23:15] <Halow> This is why everyone should just switch to UTC. ;)
[23:15] <Jacxz> UK is over so nope
[23:15] <leprechau> BUGabundo, hehe i was just wondering...i finally convinced my wife to let me linuxcize her laptop and I don't want to wait to long and let that oppurtunity expire
[23:16] <leprechau> also..didn't want to download a whole iso and have to do it again 24hrs later
[23:16] <BUGabundo> leprechau: you won't! you can rsync the changes
[23:16] <Halow> rsync! Because BUGabundo keeps pushing it. ;)
[23:16] <BUGabundo> and some users told me they can do the same with torrents
[23:16] <thiebaude> :)
[23:16] <ienorand> leprechau: It shouldn't make a difference
[23:16]  * BUGabundo me loves rsync Halow
[23:16] <leprechau> yeah...but im anal retentive...i want to get a real 9.04 release cd ... not have to write RC on it with my sharpie ;p
[23:17] <leprechau> but i guess you are right
[23:17] <BUGabundo> then do a netboot install LOL
[23:17] <leprechau> i could rsync the iso
[23:18] <x-ip> anybody knows at which hour will be 9.04 isos uploaded and the mirrors ready to upgrade ? :D
[23:18] <Daisuke-Ido> !outyet
[23:18] <x-ip> at 00 am ?
[23:18] <kklimonda>  no
[23:18] <x-ip> i'm at ubuntu+1 hehe
[23:18] <Daisuke-Ido> x-ip: but you apparently didn't read the rest of it
[23:18] <Daisuke-Ido> there is no predetermined time when it will be.
[23:18] <leprechau> LOL
[23:18] <leprechau> * Topic for #ubuntu-release-party is: Ubuntu (9.04) Jaunty Jackalope is due some time on 23rd April 2009 | Channel guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties for parties in your zone | Every time you ask if it's out, a bunny dies!
[23:18] <x-ip> ok ok, np ... going to #ubuntu-release-party hehehe
[23:18] <leprechau> dead bunnies :/
[23:18] <thiebaude> the party is starting next door
[23:19] <leprechau> x-ip, you just killed a bunny
[23:19] <x-ip> thanks x'D
[23:19] <Daisuke-Ido> leprechau: i want to go and keep asking if it's out yet
[23:19] <x-ip> why ? :S
[23:19] <ienorand> RC was at ~6pm GMT I think, so expect something similar...
[23:19] <Jacxz> cya in realse-party x-ip
[23:19] <x-ip> /j/ #ubuntu-release-party
[23:19] <x-ip> ups
[23:19] <BUGabundo> x-ip: mirrors tend to have a cron, running from 1h to 24h
[23:19] <x-ip> wow x'D
[23:19] <haggisbasheruk> bunny killers
[23:19] <ienorand> Buthen again i could be wrong
[23:19] <x-ip> jajajaja
[23:19] <x-ip> i readed the topic
[23:19] <x-ip> sorry :S
[23:19] <x-ip> too late >.<'
[23:20] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: there might be updates in 1hr?
[23:20] <x-ip> x'D
[23:20] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: ah?
[23:21] <BUGabundo> let me check out http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[23:21] <BUGabundo> let me check out #ubuntu-release-party
[23:21]  * BUGabundo wishes there was a DEL for stupid posts to IRC
[23:21] <haggisbasheruk> :)
[23:24] <cowgarden> BUGabundo: I want Gnome-DO to be shipped along (but not docky as default, stucks a bit on netbooks/older PCs)
[23:25] <ppe> hi, when will be the stable-ubuntu 9.04 released?
[23:25] <BluesKaj> ppe, tomorrow
[23:25] <Skapare> ppe: when it's ready
[23:25] <ienorand> I like the quote from part channel: Every time you ask if it's out, a bunny dies!
[23:26] <ienorand> *party
[23:26] <coz_> pit roasted rabbit is tastey :)
[23:28] <ppe> I have a boring sroll-bug in the updated beta. I can only scroll slow in firefox and openoffice3. mark is buggy, too. I hope this will be fixed in the stable ubuntu.
[23:28] <ppe> scroll*
[23:28] <dash|x58> can someone help me successfully increase my resolution?
[23:29] <dash|x58> every attempt i've failed ;/
[23:29] <kklimonda> ppe: it may not - you should file a bug.
[23:29] <ppe> kklimonda: so I have to post in launchpad? :(
[23:30] <kklimonda> ppe: yes
[23:30] <robin0800> dash|x58: Put it Xorg conf?
[23:30] <ppe> kklimonda: maybe it will be fixed..
[23:30] <kklimonda> ppe: is your 9.04 updated?
[23:30] <ppe> yes
[23:30] <BUGabundo> ppe use ubuntu-bug
[23:31] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: what is he's package?
[23:31] <ppe> it's sudo apt-get update, yes?
[23:31] <kklimonda> ppe: yes
[23:32] <ppe> hmm... I'm up to date..
[23:32] <BUGabundo> ppe: now $sudo apt-upgrade
[23:32] <BUGabundo> and then
[23:32] <BUGabundo> ppe: now $sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:32] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: if it's slow scroll in some applications than it may be something with video drivers and compiz. if it scrolls only in those two applications I don't know :)
[23:33] <giskard> hello
[23:33] <giskard> i am having trouble adding a new user with users-admin
[23:33] <kklimonda> ppe: what is exactly your problem and what is your hardware?
[23:34] <BUGabundo> giskard: sounds like a known bug
[23:34] <ppe> kklimonda: I have a geforce 8800 an athlon x2 2.6 ghz and 4 gb ram.
[23:36] <tas> Hello
[23:37] <tas> Hello, I have a question to ask about Gnome panels and AWN; Basically I want to disable the last Gnome panel I have and use only AWN, it's fine if I have to delete it, but I dunno how to do that, either, can anyone help?
[23:38] <Daskreech> Anyone using The git for Gnome-Shell?
[23:38] <kklimonda> ppe: and it scrolls slowly in firefox and ooo or you can only scroll in those two applications?
[23:38] <BUGabundo> tas: hi
[23:38] <BUGabundo> can I recommend gnome-do ?
[23:39] <tas> Hello BUG O:
[23:39] <BUGabundo> its a lot better then AWN
[23:39] <BUGabundo> also to reply to you, just right click on the pannel, and choose properties
[23:39] <tas> Yeah, I tried Gnome-Do, but I cant have a notification area in Docky
[23:39] <BUGabundo> there you can enable an option to hide the applet
[23:39] <tas> Seeing as what I want is a dock like OS X or a taskbar like Windows 7, Docky doesnt work out for me quite yet
[23:39] <BUGabundo> tas: there's a new skin for DO, called Docky....
[23:40] <tas> Yeah, but it doesnt have a notification area
[23:40] <tas> So AWN works out better
[23:40] <Daskreech> !info docky
[23:41] <nicuro> hello. does anybody know when jaunty will be launched?
[23:41] <tas> 23'rd
[23:41] <tas> Tommorow, I think
[23:41] <nicuro> ok
[23:41] <tas> Of course
[23:41] <xerxes> nicuro: You can get the daily snapshot
[23:41] <tas> if you wanna know when you can get it, you can get it right now
[23:41] <BUGabundo>  !daily | nicuro
[23:41] <canttakeitany> !outyet
[23:41] <xerxes> and then make an update tomorrow
[23:41] <tas> the RC version, anyway
[23:42] <nicuro> thanks
[23:42] <J-_> Are the final Jaunty ISOs ready yet for download?
[23:43] <shavlir> and another bunny dies needlessly
[23:43] <robin0800> J-_: Another Bunny just Died
[23:43] <BUGabundo> J-_: NO
[23:43] <genii> Was it a bunny or a baby jackalope?
[23:44] <Bobng> I think I have found a bug
[23:44]  * genii checks the corpse for antlers
[23:44] <BUGabundo> Bobng: really? is it that hard?
[23:44] <J-_> Settle down. ;(
[23:44] <Bobng> Well it seems to not replicate itself now
[23:44] <robin0800> genii: Its a bug
[23:45] <tas> Anyway, about deleting the Gnome panel
[23:45] <tas> No one know how?
[23:46] <foogmaa> I don't know but that seems like a Sessions type of thing
[23:46] <nosferathoo> ugabuga
[23:47] <tas> Yeah, I checked that
[23:47] <tas> It didnt work O:
[23:47] <tas> I only wanna remove the one panel so I can have only AWN as my interface
[23:47] <BUGabundo> tas did you do what I told you to?
[23:48] <shavlir> right click, delete this panel?
[23:48] <foogmaa> oh, so just drag the panel around?
[23:48] <kklimonda> tas: right click on panel and then "delete this panel"
[23:48] <tas> Check properties in the gnome panel? Yes, I tried that
[23:48] <tas> It doesnt work
[23:48] <Tecna> grr
[23:48] <kklimonda> tas: what happens?
[23:48] <tas> The setting is disabled for some reason
[23:48] <Tecna> Compiz keeps messing up
[23:48] <kklimonda> tas: hmm.. is it your only panel?
[23:48] <Bobng> Well look at this
[23:48] <Bobng> http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2483/screenshotaddremoveappl.png
[23:49] <aljosa> any info if fglrx driver will be available soon
[23:49] <Bobng> when selecting the last item of a drop down panel
[23:49] <Bobng> that normally fits fine
[23:49] <tas> It's only one panel
[23:49] <BUGabundo> tas don't DELETE it, just hide
[23:49] <nosferathoo> aljosa, i also want to know ;]
[23:49] <Bobng> it scrolls to the bottom and wont show any other items until you move up
[23:49] <Bobng> when it SHOULD look like this http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2483/screenshotaddremoveappl.png
[23:49] <tas> It work work that wat
[23:49] <tas> way*
[23:49] <J-_> What will be changed on the latest ISO that will be released?
[23:49] <nosferathoo> aljosa, maybe it will be best to ask ati/amd directly?
[23:49] <kklimonda> tas: then you can't remove your only panel.
[23:49] <J-_> from the lastest beta
[23:49] <tas> Since I need to setup a notification area in AWN
[23:49] <J-_> latest*
[23:49] <kklimonda> tas: you would have to remove gnome-panel package.
[23:50] <kklimonda> it is unsupported
[23:50] <tas> How do I go about that?
[23:50] <kklimonda> and stupid as gnome-panel is dependency of many other packages
[23:50] <BUGabundo> J-_: from beta? a lot. from RC not much, from daily almost sure, nothing
[23:50] <kklimonda> tas: you could try ``sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/gnome-panel'' to prevent it from launching
[23:50] <J-_> Is there a daily ISO then?
[23:51] <tas> Allright then
[23:51] <kklimonda> tas: but again it's unsupported and weird things may happen.
[23:51] <tas> Oh
[23:51] <tas> Then nevermind then
[23:51] <tas> So odd, though
[23:51] <kklimonda> tas: can't you delete notification area from panel?
[23:51] <kklimonda> and then add it to awn
[23:51] <tas> Well, I dunno how
[23:51] <shavlir> J-_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[23:51] <tas> That might work, though
[23:51] <glootech> any second now!
[23:51] <Z_God> may jaunty really break my system? ;)
[23:51] <shavlir> yes
[23:52] <kklimonda> tas: right click on notification area applet and Remove from panel
[23:52] <shavlir> broke mine
[23:52] <Z_God> really?
[23:52] <shavlir> but I fixed it :-)
[23:52] <Z_God> what did it break?
[23:52] <thiebaude> Z_God: mine too
[23:52] <kklimonda> tas: you have to click left from the first notification icon - this should be notification applet..
[23:52] <cowgarden> mine too :)
[23:52] <shavlir> grpahics drivers didnt work out of the box
[23:52] <Tecna> Does anyone have anyideas about why my compiz desktop cube is suddenly 100% Opacity, when the settings say it's 0%?
[23:52] <tas> Ah, I see
[23:52] <tas> Thanks, monda
[23:53] <Anacranom> i tried to add a network printer shared on a windows box- received message- "There were no print shares found.  Please check that the Samba service is marked as trusted in your firewall configuration. To do this, select System->Administration->Firewall from the main menu." But there is no "Firewall" there, and i edited the menu and there's no option to add it, anyone know where this is?
[23:53] <Z_God> shavlir: which driver?
[23:53] <shavlir> radeon
[23:53] <kklimonda> nosferathoo: just install and you will know ;)
[23:53] <Z_God> ok
[23:54] <nosferathoo> kklimonda, I don't want to messup anything, I'm working on this hardware ;]
[23:54] <tas> There
[23:54] <tas> Thanks, monda
[23:54] <kklimonda> nosferathoo: this version: 2:8.600-0ubuntu2 isn't the latest one?
[23:54] <kklimonda> nosferathoo: well.. no pain, no gain ;P
[23:54] <Z_God> so jaunty will be released today, is it likely I'll get an upgrade notification soon?
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Z_God: wanna kill yet another bunny?
[23:55] <Z_God> why not?
[23:55] <shavlir> you can force an early upgrade to the RC, or just wait
[23:55] <BUGabundo> Z_God: you can upgrade NOW. just read the release notes, make a backu
[23:55] <BUGabundo> Z_God: and $ update-manager -d
[23:55] <Z_God> yeah I know, but I just wondered whether it'd happen automaticly
[23:55] <BUGabundo> Z_God: bunny joke, see topic
[23:56] <J-_> I can upgrade to from the beta to the rc?
[23:56] <Z_God> BUGabundo: I guess I'm stupid, cause I don't get it
[23:56] <BUGabundo> Z_God: LOLOL
[23:57] <J-_> heh
[23:57] <Anacranom> did 9.04 hide the gui-firewall settings?
[23:57] <hggdh> J-_, all you need is to run update-manager
[23:57] <Z_God> J-_: should be np
[23:57] <ienorand> BUGabundo: The bunny joke topic is in the other chan...
[23:57] <wgrant> Anacranom: There are none by default.
[23:57] <J-_> I guess the point would be to install the newest rc to get rid of all the stagnant crap I have installed snice alpha 4 I think it was when I installed Jaunty.
[23:57] <BUGabundo> is it?
[23:58] <wgrant> Anacranom: There never were.
[23:58] <shavlir> yeah, the topic wasnt changed here, someone just posted it
[23:58]  * robin0800  Topic for #ubuntu-release-party is: Ubuntu (9.04) Jaunty Jackalope is due some time on 23rd April 2009 | Channel guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties for parties in your zone | Every time you ask if it's out, a bunny dies!
[23:58] <BUGabundo> Anacranom: you may want to check $man gufw
[23:58] <MarkJones> Are all the Jaunty updates in the repos are they the only ones that exist or are there usually ones that pop up in the lest second at release?   Please check that the Samba service is marked as trusted in your firewall configuration. To do this, select System->Administration->Firewall from the main menu." But there is no "Firewall" there, and i edited the menu and there's no option to add it, anyone know where this is?
[23:58] <MarkJones> Trash bin dont even work on mine.
[23:59] <wgrant> MarkJones: None of those bugs exist until you have reported them.
[23:59] <Z_God> I guess half of the people in that channel have names like "BunnyKiller"
[23:59] <MarkJones> I reported it
[23:59] <BUGabundo> MarkJones: there are still lots of bugs in 6.06
[23:59] <Anacranom> i have the same printer on my desktop using 8.04
[23:59] <wgrant> Anacranom: We don't run a firewall by default. What is giving you that message? It shouldn't.
[23:59] <loomsen> all bugs busted here --- except ubuntu itself...


[06:21] <gnomefreak> anyone know if libbamf0 is still needed in 13.04?
[13:18] <jtaylor> ... the parallel package in debian/ubuntu is really screwed up :/
[13:19] <jtaylor> a shame for such a nice program
[14:50] <gnomefreak> do we still need the package libbamf0 in 13.04?
[14:51] <jtaylor> ginn still needs it
[14:52] <ricotz> it doesnt ;)
[14:53] <jtaylor> it at least needs a rebuild then
[14:53] <ricotz> the current binary doesnt depend on it
[14:55] <jtaylor> hm yes reverse-depends is jsut out of date
[17:03] <penguin42> number of mostly dead upstream packages that have trivial faults found by fortify is kind of depressing


[04:28]  * bizkut is away (i am away now)
[04:31]  * persia fantasises about a bot that automatically parts clients from a channel after N repeated verbose away messages without intervening intentional traffic
[05:38] <brian_> any openmkok owners here?
[05:38] <brian_> openmoko
[05:40] <persia> brian_: sometimes, although not often, as most OpenMoko devices need ARMv4
[05:41] <brian_> ic
[05:41] <brian_> arm 7 now
[05:41] <persia> Cool!
[05:41]  * persia goes off to read all about it
[05:42] <brian_> :)
[05:48] <persia> Hrm.  I can't seem to find a good link on the openmoko wiki :(
[09:52] <armin76> :D
[09:52]  * armin76 is away (*g*)
[09:52]  * armin76 kicks zumbi
[13:15] <cwillu_at_work> what's new in arm land?
[13:31] <persia> From the current meeting in #ubuntu-meeting, it looks like .32 kernels should drop soon.
[13:36] <cwillu_at_work> drop == land?
[13:36] <persia> Yeah.
[13:36]  * persia digs up the link
[13:36] <cwillu_at_work> drop typically means the opposite :p
[13:37] <persia> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=marvell/dove-kernel/.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/marvell-dove-<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:40] <persia> It's often worth dropping into #ubuntu-meeting at 13 UTC on Tuesdays, as a bunch of folk working on ARM stuff tend to talk about current status.
[13:51]  * cwillu_at_work makes a note
[13:52] <cwillu_at_work> 13utc is a bit on the early side for me, but yep
[13:52] <ogra> you are here now, no ? :)
[13:53] <cwillu_at_work> coffee is still flowing in
[13:53] <cwillu_at_work> my mental capabilities are still sub-html
[13:54] <cwillu_at_work> I need them to be at kernel in half an hour
[13:54] <cwillu_at_work> this might be a Documentation Day.
[14:01] <ogra> heh
[15:06] <asac> GrueMaster: thanks for pushing the patches up ... is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gruemaster/lsb-arm-port/main the latest and greatest?
[15:58] <NCommander> asac, I think I found the problem with libtool
[15:58] <NCommander> /usr/bin/ld: .libs/hello.o: relocation R_ARM_THM_MOVW_ABS_NC against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC :-)
[16:02] <NCommander> Martyn, ping?
[16:05] <asac> NCommander: who is Martyn ?
[16:07] <NCommander> asac, resident ARM guru who can confirm a theory of mine. dmart isn't around or I'd ask him as well
[16:07] <NCommander> asac, its possible our toolchain simply doesn't support non-PIC shared libraries on ARMv7, and thus libtool needs to be taught that test can fail safely
[16:09] <asac> NCommander: afaik we need PIC
[16:09] <NCommander> asac, thats what I thought, but ARMv6 and earlier supported non-PIC shared libraries
[16:11] <NCommander> asac, the situation is more complicated that debian/rules forces in arm-linux-gnueabi as the compiler triplex
[16:11] <asac> NCommander: so thats a non-PIC test? meaning: we should disable the test?
[16:12] <NCommander> asac, yeah, thats the case. I can just modify the test so when it sees ARM, it skips the npic test, although that's not going to be acceptable for upstream
[16:17] <Martyn> I am around
[16:18] <Martyn> Sorry, had to step away from the keyboard, was doing some FastModel work
[16:18] <NCommander> Martyn, what do you know about non-PIC shared libraries on ARMv7?
[16:19] <Martyn> non-PIC on arm should be supported in v7
[16:19] <NCommander> Martyn, the toolchain doesn't seem happy about it though
[16:20] <Martyn> Then there is a bug in the toolchain
[16:20] <NCommander> Martyn, woo.
[16:21] <Martyn> In fact it's absolutely required on the snapdragon based cellphone platforms (read: Droid)
[16:21] <NCommander> Martyn, non-PIC shared libraries?
[16:21] <Martyn> jump onto an Android dev channel, and see if their prepackaged toolchain fails too
[16:22] <NCommander> Martyn, non-PIC binary objects work, its just an issue when you build a .so
[16:22] <Martyn> Hrm
[16:22] <Martyn> Not good
[16:22] <NCommander> Martyn, well, most shared libraries are PIC
[16:23] <NCommander> Martyn, the only issue this came up is because the libtool torture test blew up on armv7 when trying to build a non-pic library
[16:23] <Martyn> *nod*
[16:23] <Martyn> Well, I guess I'd have to agree .. drop the test for now
[16:23] <Martyn> and report it upstream for investigation
[16:24] <NCommander> asac, debdiff on the way :-)
[16:57] <NCommander> asac, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.4/+bug/503448
[16:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503448 in gcc-4.4 "[arm] building non-PIC libraries fails under ARMv7 mode" [Undecided,New]
[17:00] <asac> NCommander: so is libtool blocked on that or do we want to disable that test on armel for now?
[17:01] <asac> can you check if gcc-snapshot helps?
[17:01] <NCommander> asac, lets disable for now, and keep our eye on it
[17:01] <asac> (if there is a build available)
[17:01] <NCommander> asac, will do
[17:13] <GrueMaster> asac: Yes, the LP code is the most current (from my stuff) so far.
[17:16] <asac> cool
[20:28] <armin76> nice, dove support made it to mainline
[20:28] <armin76> rabeeh: i want one
[20:32] <armin76> oh well, its just v6
[20:51] <lool> armin76: dove can work in v6 and v7 mode
[20:53] <armin76> lool: yep, but the one in the kernel only is armv6
[21:11] <NCommander> armin76, link?
[21:14] <armin76> NCommander: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=edabd38e1a017e922e3e3b485ee3ddb4df433aa4 && http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blobdiff;f=arch/arm/mm/Kconfig;h=1549863d7b54564b131d2f415815d51b68c6057b;hp=9264d814cd7a9db1f5a5d0901fc62e81fa921aa0;hb=edabd38e1a017e922e3e3b485ee3ddb4df433aa4;hpb=8d27b2f7988b652dbabf79291a3e2550c06e1af5
[21:14] <NCommander> That's freaking awesome
[21:15] <armin76> why?
[21:16] <NCommander> armin76, having a kernel mainline solves a *lot* of issues
[21:18] <armin76> whats the point if its not the proc you're interested in? :)
[21:18] <NCommander> armin76, huh?
[21:19] <NCommander> armin76, dove is the platform that you were using over IPv6 in my apartment
[21:19] <armin76> NCommander: yes, but your boards are armv7
[21:19] <NCommander> All dove boards are ARMv7
[21:21] <armin76> NCommander: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/configs/dove_defconfig;h=f2d1ea0abb849a7402d03ba688adaacb6f03b5d8;hb=edabd38e1a017e922e3e3b485ee3ddb4df433aa4 <- this board uses v6
[21:22] <NCommander> armin76, ?
[21:23] <NCommander> armin76, ah
[21:23] <NCommander> armin76, *shrug*
[21:23] <armin76> fail :)
[21:24] <armin76> NCommander: the commit that added dove support(first link i pasted) only touches armv6
[21:24] <armin76> and you've seen the defconfig now
[21:25] <armin76> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=patch;h=edabd38e1a017e922e3e3b485ee3ddb4df433aa4 <- commit
[21:50] <suihkulokki> new toy for armin76 to whine for ;)  http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/marvell-plug-computer-3-0-packs-in-wifi-bluetooth-and-2ghz-arma/
[21:51] <armin76> *g*
[21:51] <armin76> suihkulokki: hope it doesn't come with ubuntu :P
[21:51] <armin76> (and the proc is v5)
[21:51] <armin76> looks like they left 2.0 on the road *g*


[02:20] <o_h_e[m]> Anybody know if plasma 5.20 is planned for kubuntu 20.10?
[02:26] <Maik> probably not officially, i bet you have to add the backports PPA as usual
[02:29] <Maik> so 20.10 will stick to 5.19
 Rik mentioned he might make a special PPA that has the new QT, but I don't think he will use the backports ppa.  I think qt 5.15 was landing in the debian repos which could ease the ppa creation, but often some of the required packages might be stuck in some other approval loops.
[02:40] <o_h_e[m]> Alright thx
[02:57] <IrcsomeBot1> Katie Tuller was added by: Katie Tuller
[03:45] <IrcsomeBot1> <shuhao zhang> does it print any error?
 can anybody help me to fix dns ?
[06:02] <IrcsomeBot1> <Derek Slegr> even though char exists
[06:04] <lordievader> QuakeString, what kind of DNS issues do you have?
[07:12] <viewer|53> hi everyone, I'm having a little trouble with Kubuntu. I does not allow me to set the refresh rate to 60hz, even though my television is capable of doing so (both Ubuntu and Windows 10 recognized that)
[07:15] <lordievader> viewer|53: Could you pastebin the output of `xrandr`?
[07:15] <lordievader> !paste
[07:17] <viewer|53> lordievader,  certainly: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jjqYmMnv4b/
[07:18] <lordievader> Looks like the resolution is too high to deliver it at 60Hz.
[07:18] <lordievader> 1440p is supported at 60Hz.
[07:19] <viewer|53> the "problem" is that this is only true on Kubuntu
[07:20] <viewer|53> I can output 60hz at 4k from Ubuntu, Windows 10 and my PS4
[07:20] <lordievader> What video card and driver are you using?
[07:21] <viewer|53> lordievader, 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Raven Ridge [Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile Series] (rev c6)
[07:22] <viewer|53> lordievader, Ubuntu 19.10 actually had the same problem, but it was sorted out on 20.04
[07:22] <lordievader> And the driver?
[07:22] <lordievader> (`sudo lspci -k`)
[07:24] <viewer|53> lordievader, $ sudo lspci -k | grep Radeon
[07:24] <viewer|53> 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Raven Ridge [Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile Series] (rev c6)
[07:24] <viewer|53>         Subsystem: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Raven Ridge [Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile Series]
[07:25] <lordievader> You want one more line 😉 (sudo lspci -k |grep -iA 2 radeon
[07:25] <lordievader> )
[07:27] <viewer|53> sure, okay!
[07:27] <viewer|53> lordievader, jones@bat:~$ sudo lspci -k |grep -iA 2 radeon
[07:27] <viewer|53> 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Raven Ridge [Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile Series] (rev c6)
[07:27] <viewer|53>         Subsystem: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Raven Ridge [Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile Series]
[07:27] <viewer|53>         Kernel driver in use: amdgpu
[07:27] <viewer|53>         Kernel modules: amdgpu
[07:29] <viewer|53> the reason I want 60hz is that without it mouse movement gets choppy and imprecise, BTW
[07:30] <viewer|53> at least that's what I observed on Ubuntu 20.04 and Windows 10
[07:30] <viewer|53> and it's choppy on Kubuntu
[07:30] <lordievader> viewer|53: This seems to be your issue (quite old though): https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/109
[07:32] <lordievader> The last post by Alex suggests a solution, but I'm not really sure what he means.
[07:33] <viewer|53> well I have no idea what he's talking about, that's above my paygrade
[07:34] <viewer|53> this may mean that for now Kubuntu is not for me, sadly
[07:35] <viewer|53> quite annoying
[07:35] <viewer|53> thank you for the help
[07:35] <viewer|53> maybe KDE Neone sorted this out already?
[07:36] <viewer|53> I'm kinda tired of installing stuff hahaha
 Try changing mouse sensitivity.
[07:39] <viewer|53> IrcsomeBot1, this helps with the speed, but the movement is still choppy and imprecise
[07:39] <lordievader> viewer|53: Do you have multiple hdmi ports on your tv/monitor?
[07:40] <lordievader> https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/5r6100/has_anyone_gotten_any_amd_gpu_to_run_4k60hz/ says he got it working by switching hdmi ports
[07:40] <viewer|53> yes I do
[07:40] <viewer|53> I did switch once, I'll try once more
 Cool
[07:41] <viewer|53> okay switched ports, I'll try a reboot.
[07:46] <viewer|23> lordievader, yeah.. it didnt work
[07:46] <viewer|23> I'll try booting KDE Neon
[07:47] <viewer|23> if that doesn't work, I'll have to resort to Gnome
[07:48] <viewer|23> this 4k thing seems really problematic right now... I really thought everything would work automatically already but no
[08:23] <viewer|75> lordievader, I "solved" the issue: my TV only seems to output 60hz on GAME MODE. So I enabled Game Mode 24/7. Now the 60hz is available and everything work as intended. I'm staying on Kubuntu.
[08:25] <viewer|75> lordievader, thanks!
[08:30] <lordievader> Wow, what a solution.
[08:30] <lordievader> Great find though
[08:34] <lordievader> No problem, glad you fixed the issue.
[08:36] <viewer|75> ;)
[08:39] <user|50518> kubuntu me android applicaton kaise work  karta he
[08:40] <user|50518> kubuntu me android applicaton kaise work  karta he
 @lordievader, I can't access internet
 Even though I can ping google.com, … Can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
 Telegram can connect
 But can't open website in browser
[08:44] <lordievader> QuakeString, assuming you have dig what is the output of `dig -t A google.com @<IP_ADDRESS>`?
[08:48] <mozammel> I cant ping google.com, but I cant open google.com in brwoser, I've check multiple browser, telegram can use internet, but other app cant use. looking for help.
 @lordievader, I did not check this command
 but previously DNS was different. now I've check DNS to <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:50] <lordievader> QuakeString, well please try.
 @lordievader, sorry, I cant try now. i'm now out.
 I'll do it once i get back.
 @QuakeString, Enable browser access in firewall.
 Did you play with firewall settings?
 @sammy_v, i did not.
 Reset firewall to default setting.
 how to do that ?
 Open firewall setting and choose reset option
 there is a firewall app ?
 It should be.
 no
 there is no app default installed to manage firewall
 Kde desktop has a firewall.
 kde desktop system settings has no setting for firewall, only proxy setting is there.
 Reset network card
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/9l00Ji7l/file_37654.jpg Nope it's not there
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/zY6liahY/file_37655.jpg
[09:44] <lordievader> sammy_v perhaps first investigate the problem before suggesting random fixes?
 Hi people. I have a problem, the sound icon in the tray is lost...and I don't have a sound too...who know the issue? Please let me know (KUbuntu 20.10)
 @AndyKG, Did you scroll down all the way?
 @GalantGTR, Try "sudo apt install pulseaudio pavucontrol" … Could be that one of the two packages is missing
 @mx_tom, Not fixed
 😭😭😭
 No sound icon in the tray and no sound...
 And I think that was not a good issue from Ubuntu-Comunity(ubuntu help website) to post that...because it's a trash, garbage...u know, there was wright that uninstall pulseaudio and than reinstall it again...
 It's a lie...it brings more troubles...
 @mx_tom, I did it's not there. Have you installed 5.9 yet?
 @GalantGTR, I am not sure I was able to understand you. What was bad to post and what brought more trouble?
 If you go to your applications menu can you open Pulseaudio Volume countrol? And if so, can you see your speakers and change its settings?
 @AndyKG, No I haven't. Where did you download the files from? https://kernel.ubuntu.com? Do you have a vmlinux file of 5.9 in your /boot after you have installed the kernel after running "sudo dpkg -i *.deb"? If you downloaded the right files they definitely should.
 Also what is the output of "uname -r"
 @mx_tom, I can't find a solution why I don't have an icon (speaker) in my tray...and where is the sound...windows 10 is Ok
 @mx_tom, http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2020/10/linux-kernel-5-9-released/
 @mx_tom, 5.9 on Deepin 5.8.13 on Kubuntu (I installed this some time ago)
 @AndyKG, And is it the vmlinux of 5.9 in /boot ? Should be after following that guide. That's really strange
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 @RikMills, I'd really love to see a "semi-official" Backport PPA for Qt 5.15 and Plasma 5.20.
[12:55] <user|44604> on facebook the past 2 days all dosent load says i need a new server am using ubuntu linux firefox what should i change. ThankYou.
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/e7DQT0i3/file_37662.jpg Hi, Thanks for hepling, here is output
[12:58] <user|44604> will try google?
[13:09] <birth1mark> Hi
[13:09] <birth1mark> quick question. How do I update my kubuntu to kde 5.20?
[13:17] <Maik> and another one... people, switch either to Neon or go rolling release :D
[13:29] <Atahualpa> hi! short question: how can i change/modify the ugliness of sddm ?
[13:33] <Atahualpa> why did something good changed?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Atahualpa, system settings>worspace> startup and shutdown>splash screen>click on the "get new spalsh screens" button
[13:35] <Atahualpa> BluesKaj: already tried that and looks awful
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Atahualpa, oops I meant login screens
[13:38] <Atahualpa> BluesKaj: don't worry. I know where to change :)
[13:38] <IrcsomeBot1> Paulo Humberto was added by: Paulo Humberto
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Atahualpa, well, i don't know what you know :-)
[13:39] <IrcsomeBot1> <Paulo Humberto> How do I update the kubuntu plasma from 5.18.5 to 5.20?
[13:40] <Atahualpa> BluesKaj: true :)
[13:40] <IrcsomeBot1> <Paulo Humberto> can anybody help me?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> @Paulo Humberto, just state your issue, we will try to help
[13:42] <krytarik> BluesKaj: He's already done so though.
[13:43] <IrcsomeBot1> <Paulo Humberto> @Paulo Humberto, Yes
[13:43] <IrcsomeBot1> <Paulo Humberto> I would like to update KDE Plasma from 5.18.5 to 5.20, I am using a Kubuntu 20, but I couldn't get it via PPA, is it possible? if so how do i do it?
[13:44] <krytarik> As far as I've read, it's not yet possible but there are plans to make it so.
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Paulo Humberto, sorry, missed your question, best to wait to upgrade to Kubuntu 20.10 where plasma 5.19.5 is default
[13:45] <lordievader> QuakeString, the DNS to google works. What resolver have you configured?
[13:45] <user|58657> update
[13:45] <BluesKaj> 20.10 will be release on Oct 22
[13:45] <IrcsomeBot1> ghostfacegangstar was added by: ghostfacegangstar
[13:51] <IrcsomeBot1> <Paulo Humberto> @BluesKaj, I see, thank you very much.
[13:52] <BluesKaj> @Paulo Humberto, np
 @lordievader, let me tell you what I did, … 1.Disconnected from wifi … 2. sudo rm -f /etc/resolv.conf … 3. sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf … i've put  … nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>  … nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> … into resolv.conf file … 4. sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
[13:53] <user|58657> goodbye
[13:57] <lordievader> QuakeString: And that worked? To be honest, it doesn't sound very reboot proof. Might be that NM already overwrites it on connecting to a wifi network.
 @lordievader, it did not work. I'm still seeking for help.
[13:59] <lordievader> What are you using to setup your wifi connection? NetworkManager?
 @lordievader, yes, just using plasma Network Manager applet.
[14:01] <lordievader> Right, that is likely overwriting your changes upon connecting. You can tell NetworkManager to use a specific DNS resolver per connection though.
 I'm using Moibile Hotspot from my mobile. I don't have any other wifi
[14:01] <lordievader> Same thing ;)
 @lordievader, to not let NetworkManager alter resolv.conf file,  … i locked it with chattr +i
 before I did chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf, NetworkManager always change this file and change DNS every time it connect to wifi.
 but after I did chattr +i , NetworkManager cant change resolv.conf , but still I cant open google.com from web browser.
[14:05] <lordievader> Can you ping google.com?
 @lordievader, yes, I can.
[14:07] <lordievader> Do you have curl installed?
 @lordievader, sorry, now I check, ping googel.com is failed
 @lordievader, yes, i can ping now. ping time 230ms
 @lordievader, not installed.
 @lordievader, Stop giving random solutions which don't work.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/r0RnZ46E/file_37672.jpg
 That looks good. Maybe try to run "sudo grub-install". Could be that that's needed to detect the kernel
 (Photo, 124x171) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/aMylPfa8/file_37674.jpg fix this....
[19:17] <IrcsomeBot1> <Matt Chambers> and that it's under the same session
 @Swift110, your are right
[20:12] <user|65038> I have windows 10, and a I have 25 GB free space in the ssd.
[20:13] <user|65038> I started the kubuntu instalation and I received the message:
[20:14] <user|65038> The partition table format in use on your disks normally requires you to create a separate partition for boot loader code. This partition should be marked for use as a "Reserved BIOS boot area" and should be at least 1 MB in size. Note that this is not the same as a partition mounted on /boot. If you do not go back to the partitioning menu and corr
[20:14] <user|65038> ect this error, boot loader installation may fail later, although it may still be possible to install the boot loader to a partition.
[20:14] <user|65038> The partition table format in use on your disks normally requires you to create a separate partition for boot loader code.
[20:15] <user|65038> What I must do now?


[23:26] <jcfp> 4 packages are listed as 'failure in the chroot' at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ as a result of a broken script in sysvinit a couple of days ago
[23:27] <jcfp> the sysvinit issue has been fixed meanwhile, so somebody please add these four for back into the build queue


[10:45] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Drop workspace labels, inconsistent with 5+ workspaces (LP: #1829778) @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=f61baa5b71472fbf86acaf67055f101dd8d6cd6d (by Sean Davis)
[10:50] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Set the Xubuntu wallpaper as default for up to 4 displays @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=ee2ce75541b769f3d78598ce2f2d17acfea8a232 (by Sean Davis)
[11:06] <bluesabre> Not sure if there was a bug for that or if it's just been mentioned here and there for a while