[06:43] <ppisati> moin
[06:59] <smb> morning
[07:20]  * ppisati goes for the big monday upgrade...
[07:20] <ppisati> 218 pkgs, cross your limbs
[07:25] <smb> what could possibly go wr#!§$
[07:25] <ppisati> ok, i lied
[07:25] <ppisati> i did a dist-upgrade
[07:26] <ppisati> and it's now removing all the unity-scope*
[07:26] <ppisati> besides, i never used them so...
[07:26] <ppisati> :)
[07:26] <smb> we don't need them :)
[07:28] <smb> ppisati, Only got 152 to upgrade and none to remove. Must already have them removed and I did not miss them. :-P
[07:29] <ppisati> you lucky :)
[07:29]  * ppisati -> reboot
[07:31] <ppisati> sees to work
[07:31] <ppisati> seems
[07:31] <smb> Keyboard is flakey
[07:31] <smb> :)
[07:31] <ppisati> :)
[07:31] <ppisati> no, that's me :)
[07:32] <smb> infinity, Could you please press the accept button for Xen 4.2.2 in Raring?
[07:33] <smb> ppisati, We cannot be faulty. It must be the computer. ;)
[07:33]  * ppisati should try to ditch pidgin and go back to... $whatever we ship
[07:39] <apw> ppisati, for me my at-tab and dash invokations now take 20-40s to occur
[07:39] <apw> morning all
[07:39] <apw> alt-tab
[07:39] <ppisati> uhm no, alt-tab is still fast
[07:39] <ppisati> andi admit i never use the dash
[07:40] <smb> apw, morning. always or only first
[07:40] <apw> oh i never use dash _intentionally_ but when i do now it freezes my desktop for 30s
[07:40] <apw> oh every time, always
[07:40] <ppisati> nope
[07:40] <smb> Hm, ok. I only see a very long time the first time I bring it up
[07:40] <ppisati> still fast
[07:40] <ppisati> even the dash
[07:41] <apw> smb, i am very glad i did not upgrade my desktop to daily-quality
[07:41] <smb> apw, Yeah, me too.
[07:41] <apw> my main non-fixed workhorse agent57 is now in the scrap pile thanks to it
[07:42] <apw> i am pretty sure it is not kernel because that machine is one of the very boxes i test kernels on before upload
[07:42] <ppisati> "haswell i5 + ati gpu" box is ok
[07:42] <smb> awesome
[07:42] <RAOF> apw: Hm, sounds like the intel regression in mesa that I thought was fixed, then fixed again, and then fixed another time?
[07:42] <apw> and my typing useage style makes this bug immediatly obvious
[07:42] <apw> RAOF, need some of your bees back ?
[07:42] <apw> RAOF, how could i confirm ... this is a baby (read old) atom
[07:42] <RAOF> apw: Nah, that'd bee a tjaalton problem now :)
[07:43] <apw> heh :)
[07:43] <RAOF> Oh, you're trying to use a 915?
[07:43] <apw> heh
[07:43] <RAOF> :)
[07:44] <apw> RAOF, so it cannot be ubiquitus can it, i think my other i915 is ok, i think
[07:44] <RAOF> ??? :(
[07:44] <smb> apw, So maximegalon seems to come up with latest updates and that is a similarly old atom and i915
[07:44] <apw> i am upgrading another aom to the same level to see if it is affected too
[07:45]  * apw parays this is not one of those "it could never have worked" bugs, the ones which only exhibit for me
[07:45] <apw> also ... i have "blacker" cursors today, is that normal
[07:45] <smb> apw, mine is Intel Corporation Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[07:45] <RAOF> apw: Not normal, but you're not alone.
[07:46] <apw> mine is a D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx integrated ..
[07:46] <apw> RAOF, yeah i have inverted cursors
[07:47] <smb> apw, Hm... mine is not blinking and solid right now but seems bright enough
[07:47] <tjaalton> apw: huh, so dash is slow for you?
[07:48] <smb> apw, tjaalton Oh great, mine is not slow ... it does not appear at all
[07:48] <smb> now the whole dash turned grey
[07:49] <smb> apw, Something likely unrelated but maybe we should have a look: "perf samples too long (5012 > 5000), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 25000"
[07:51] <smb> Those I think I remember appearing more often recently
[07:52] <apw> smb, yeah the slower machines seem to say things about that, i assume it is benigh
[07:52] <apw> but knowing would be good
[07:52] <apw> tjaalton, on that machine, yeah like hit alt, have nothing moving or changing but the cursor for like 40s
[07:52] <apw> then it appears half filled, then wait a bit more
[07:53] <tjaalton> nice
[07:53] <apw> 35d by naieve counting == seconds
[07:53] <smb> apw, Ok, yeah, seems I have exactly the same
[07:54] <apw> the launcher scrolls on just fine if i use meta+N to get to windows
[07:54] <apw> smb, how is alt-tab
[07:54] <smb> There is now a shadow dash
[07:54] <smb> Have not tried yet as it was so slow to even get the first thing up
[07:54] <apw> yeah it is half there i think, like that is the start of it fading in
[07:54] <tjaalton> looks like it's filed as #1222602
[07:54] <apw> bug #1222602
[07:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1222602 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Bad performance on GMA950" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222602
[07:56] <apw> tjaalton, to downgrade mesa, do you have a list of packages i would need to actually downgrade
[07:56] <apw> (so i can confirm this)
[07:57] <tjaalton> libgl1-mesa-dri -glx
[07:57] <apw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1222351
[07:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1222351 in unity (Ubuntu) "alt-tab and alt tap hang unity for 20s or so before operating" [High,Triaged]
[07:57] <apw> was the bug i filed, which if this reproduces i will reassign and dup appropraitly
[07:57] <apw> tjaalton, thanks will test noe
[07:57] <tjaalton> yeah 9.1.x was confirmed on the other bug to be fine
[08:01] <apw> ok about to test will let you know
[08:07] <apw> tjaalton, ok ... confirmed, mesa downgrade fixes behaviour
[08:07] <apw> will update the bugs
[08:07] <tjaalton> thx
[08:09] <apw> if there is anything one can do to help find this ... let us know, it sounds like you have two testers here
[08:09] <tjaalton> i'm looking at upstream changes since 9.1
[08:10]  * apw bets they are untested on atom :)  till now
[08:10] <tjaalton> well, gen3 isn't that uncommon
[08:11] <tjaalton> "i915: Remove all the HiZ code from i915"
[08:11] <tjaalton> perhaps
[08:11] <smb> We probably have two different i915 generations as well
[08:13] <tjaalton> i915..i945 is gen3
[08:14] <tjaalton> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Extreme_Graphics#Third_generation
[08:14] <tjaalton> throw in these atoms too
[08:14] <smb> tjaalton, Ah ok, I just thought apw's netbook had something slightly newer than mine
[08:14] <apw> tjaalton, they are on gen7 inhouse i would think
[08:14] <apw> so that is 4+ versions older, "what are they"
[08:14] <tjaalton> apw: probably so
[08:18] <apw> tjaalton, i am feeling retarded how do i find the exact GMA I have
[08:18] <tjaalton> apw: lspci probably
[08:18] <smb> apw, check for the pci id
[08:18] <apw> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller
[08:18] <smb> apw, I would assume something along gma 3150
[08:18] <apw> that seems rather wishy washy
[08:18] <smb> apw, -vvvnn
[08:19] <tjaalton> aka gma3150
[08:19] <apw> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:a011] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[08:19] <smb> apw, mine is a 0x27ae, so gma950
[08:19] <tjaalton> pineview
[08:19] <smb> apw, a011 is 3150
[08:20] <apw> cool, ok so smb is the same as the OR and i have added my chipset to the title
[08:20] <apw> smb, could you 'affects me' on it
[08:20] <smb> apw, Hm, newer but looks like slower, less pipelines...
[08:21] <smb> apw, think I have
[08:21] <apw> ok good
[08:22] <apw> smb, title says 'me and one other' which would be the OR
[08:22] <smb> apw, mine says me and two other
[08:22] <apw> smb, i hate launchpad some days
[08:23] <smb> But as the title changed to add your gma3150 I thnk we look at the same. :)
[08:23] <apw> oh i see, when you update one you have, it +1's the number _you_ have
[08:23] <apw> not the actual number, POC
[08:24] <apw> tjaalton, i think you and i may have collided updating the title, and i may have bolloxed your update
[08:24] <smb> apw, Speaking of breakage... my FFE for Xen-4.3 in Saucy got approved over the weekend... :)
[08:24]  * apw hates LP more
[08:24]  * apw adds smb to the list
[08:25]  * smb thought he was already on it in the tops region
[08:25] <tjaalton> heh, I added [gen3] there now, it should cover it all
[08:25] <apw> great
[08:25]  * apw moves smb up the list, rapidly
[08:26] <smb> At least moving up ranks *somewhere*. Though on the "todo" list would be so much better. :-P
[08:26] <apw> smb, can you test 'resume' performance on your gen3, i am finding a good 10s of "i am on, but there is nothing to talk to password wise" before i can use that box
[08:26] <apw> *down* on that one, *down* i say
[08:27] <smb> apw, I think that moves priority of what I can test as well
[08:27] <apw> bah, tuche' m'lord
[08:28] <smb> apw, suspend/resume seems to be ok (only one attempt)
[08:28] <apw> smb, it works fine, it just seems reallly slow to let me start typing the password
[08:28] <apw> ie the backlight comes on immediatly but gnome screensaver is not talking to me for ages
[08:29] <smb> apw, Yes, but no that looks good, too
[08:29] <smb> It even comes up quickly without needing another keypress
[08:29] <apw> i guess that means there is something i can fix, perhaps something installed
[08:30] <smb> Either that or a slight difference between gma950 and 3150
[08:30] <apw> yeah
[08:30] <apw> one or t'other
[08:31] <smb> Wasn't that the machine that more often than the rest seemed to suffer from i915 problems
[08:31] <apw> yeah this machine was a bit of a lemo
[08:31] <apw> lemon
[08:32] <tjaalton> this was actually filed upstream months ago, no reply.. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64202
[08:32] <ubot2`> Freedesktop bug 64202 in Drivers/DRI/i915 "Enabling opengl 2.1 on intel gen3 breaks the Unity desktop (and possibly others)" [Normal,New]
[08:33] <tjaalton> there's a workaround too
[08:33] <Gsport> will linux ever be fixed?
[08:33] <apw> Gsport, heh
[08:35] <Gsport> intel grafics suck
[08:35]  * apw really hopes not, else there is no reason to pay me
[08:36] <apw> Gsport, heh no i think it sucks as much as any other, just cause it is developed in the clear it is more obvious
[08:36] <Gsport> i have to respect your opinion i suppose
[08:37] <Gsport> IMHO intel isnt dead it just deserves to die
[08:38] <smb> tjaalton, Ok, that environment variable override does work for me, too
[08:38] <tjaalton> good
[08:46] <apw> Gsport, i think someone who is willing to engage and share their data is to applauded, even if they are not the most powerful GPU makers
[08:47] <apw> it isn't like you have to buy their products if you don't like them, vote with your wallet
[08:54] <apw> tjaalton, ok that bug upstream implies that unity needs to adapt
[08:56] <tjaalton> could be
[08:56]  * apw wonders what the recommendation is, pin mesa back or switch the environment
[08:58]  * apw tries the env for completeness
[09:02] <ppisati> brb
[09:06] <apw> tjaalton, confirming the /etc/environment thing here as well
[09:51] <apw> ppisati, how utterly broken is calxeda
[09:51] <apw> given this is about the 40th patch we are applying for it
[10:17] <apw> tjaalton, i don't know if you saw the somewhat off topic comment in the bottom of the mesa bug, it seems the "unity puts the second screen in a place you can no longer render to it" bug is back (if they are accurate)
[10:36] <apw> henrix, i see that kees fixes for those various CVEs are starting to trickle in via the HID tree
[10:36] <apw> (and i assume you have the same searcher i do to find them :))
[10:36] <henrix> apw: yeah, i've already started updating cvetracker with those :)
[10:37] <apw> henrix, heh i noticed when i went to add them :)
[10:37] <apw> saved me the effort
[10:53] <apw> kees, hey ... it seems only half of your input cves arrived in linus' tree, are the others coming via some other route or is there some issue we should know about
[11:14] <hashken> I want to know if process virtualization is enabled in a particular kernel
[11:15] <hashken> What flags should I check for in the kernel config file?
[11:15] <apw> hashken, what sort of virtualisation?
[11:17] <hashken> I want to know if this particular kernel can support mininet - https://github.com/mininet/mininet
[11:17] <apw> hashken, do you mean lxc or something else
[11:17] <hashken> A brief description of mininet from the github page
[11:17] <hashken> Mininet creates virtual networks using process-based virtualization and network namespaces - features that are available in recent Linux kernels. In Mininet, hosts are emulated as bash processes running in a network namespace, so any code that would normally run on a Linux server (like a web server or client program) should run just fine within a Mininet "Host". The Mininet "Host" will have its own private network interface an
[11:18] <hashken> Switches in Mininet are software-based switches like Open vSwitch or the OpenFlow reference switch. Links are virtual ethernet pairs, which live in the Linux kernel and connect our emulated switches to emulated hosts (processes).
[11:18] <hashken> I am not exactly familiar with virtualization and stuff.
[11:18] <apw> so that sounds like it uses network namespaces and openvswitch, so i would expect that to work on later releases if anywhere
[11:19] <apw> as we keep pretty much up on the leading edge there for openstack and the like
[11:22] <smb> It still would not be completely clear what feature is being looked for. Openvswitch in in the kernel and relatively complete in Saucy/3.11
[11:22] <smb> To run VMs is also supported in the kernels
[11:23] <smb> or containers
[11:23] <apw> yeah i am going on the page which that above snippet came from, which sounds like it is trying to use something lightweight to simulate many hosts, basically a cut down lxc as they are all under ones control and not malicious
[11:26] <hashken> I am actually seeing if the raspberry pi kernel can support mininet
[11:26] <hashken> So, I actually need to know the kerenl config flags that are related to virtualization
[11:26] <hashken> I have been able to find the flag fornetwrok namespaces - CONFIG_NET_NS
[11:27] <hashken> But, process virtualization is such a general concept, that I have not been able to find the relevant flags.
[11:28] <hashken> Since you guys have a much better idea about the kernel than me, I am hoping that you will able to point out the appropriate flags to make mininet work.
[11:31] <apw> hashken, well indeed, there a are a lot, i would look at the init/Kconfig which has all the namespaces which are 'generic' listed, search for NET_NS
[11:31] <smb> hashken, This sounds like you are looking for a containerization, so probably a mix of cgroup and *_NS options
[11:31] <apw> and whether openvswitch is in the version you are using, harder to say
[11:36] <smb> Hm looking at the readme and checkign with Saucy, there is a mininet package in the archive
[11:37] <smb> I would assume then this works with the stock ubuntu kernels
[11:38] <smb> https://github.com/mininet/mininet/blob/master/INSTALL
[11:38] <smb> States the only requirement would be NET_NS
[11:39] <smb> and openvswitch
[12:07] <Kaloz> Hi. I would like to ask for the merge of two bugfixes into the generic kernel for saucy. Who should I bug about them? ;)
[12:17] <ppisati> apw: ah, i keept thinking the 'disable module check' + abi bump are enough
[12:17] <smb> Kaloz, If those fixes are upstream in Linus tree and picked up by upstream stable they will be in the Saucy kernel automatically at some point.
[12:17] <ppisati> *keep
[12:20] <smb> Kaloz, When unsure you can point out the fixes on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:21] <Kaloz> smb: yeah, but as one of them breaks booting, if those fixes get late, saucy won't install
[12:22] <Kaloz> smb: do I have to subscribe there or is it internal?
[12:22] <apw> ppisati, well that patch didn't disable the module check either
[12:22] <apw> or if it did it did it against the wrong abi
[12:23] <smb> Kaloz, Ok, so for that one you should file a bug (if you have not already) with ubuntu-bug linux. The list is public and you don't have to subscribe. Just takes a bit longer then as you have to get trhough moderation
[12:23] <ppisati> apw: no, it didn't
[12:23] <apw> Kaloz, so you might email the kernel-team mailing list with the patches and ask for them as well, a bug always helps focus the mind
[12:25] <Kaloz> smb: there's a bug, but it seems $randomuser can set it to "Fix released" so I'm afraid it will stay below radar or be missed in the noise
[12:25] <apw> Kaloz, if it isn't fixed change it back
[12:25] <apw> and ... what is the bug number
[12:25] <smb> Kaloz, Right, and I would write the email in addition
[12:25] <Kaloz> apw: okay, I'll wait for the second ones upstream submission and send mail to there
[12:25] <Kaloz> apw: 1197451
[12:26] <smb> bug 1197451
[12:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1197451 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "Ubuntu fails to properly boot on Macbook Air 2013 6,1 & 6,2" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197451
[12:27] <apw> bloody macs
[12:27] <Kaloz> apw :P only haswell I was able to pick up
[12:27] <smb> Kaloz, and yes, fix committed should be only set by us when we apply it
[12:28] <Kaloz> apw: anyways, with the help of the Intel guys that one is fixed, and with the help of the hda maintainer sound fully works, too. actually, everything works almost flawlessly with linux now
[12:29] <Kaloz> smb: as I can't switch it back to Triaged, Confirmed or In Progress fits better for you?
[12:29] <smb> Kaloz, I switched it back to triaged
[12:29] <Kaloz> ok, thanks
[12:29] <apw> smb, heh so did i
[12:30] <apw> i hate LP
[12:30] <smb> apw, Which lp does not care about. :-P
[12:30] <smb> +1
[12:30] <smb> Hm, that upstream report looks like that was CSM not working but EFI did?
[12:31] <Kaloz> EFI does, but only with the patch
[12:31] <smb> ah ok, have not read through all comments
[12:31] <Kaloz> otherwise LPSS makes the kernel puke and it happens before framebuffer gets initialized
[12:32] <Kaloz> so one gets no output at all :P
[12:32] <apw> Kaloz, that fix hasn't hit linus' tree as yet, so ... we are going to be resistant on picking it up
[12:32] <apw> in case it changes
[12:34] <Kaloz> apw: well, it's surely affects the macs, but if you check the patch, it could fail on other systems, too.. I know it's queued for 3.12, but stable was added in CC -- no idea when Linus would merge it
[12:40]  * henrix -> lunch
[12:45] <smb> Looks to be in linux-next which is a good sign
[13:39] <rtg> apw, just sent you an email re: aufs fails to load. your changes in -5.10 may have broken it
[13:40] <apw> rtg, ack
[13:57] <apw> rtg, upstream aufs foobar on release, am sorting out
[13:57] <rtg> apw, ack. I assume this'll require an upload to fix.
[13:58] <apw> rtg, yes code fix required, will get it on the tip as soon as i have it tested
[13:58] <apw> i think it should be abi agnostic, so we can shove it in quick
[14:19] <rtg> apw, aufs may not change the ABI, but 'mfd: rtsx: Read vendor setting from config space' does. drat.
[14:19] <ppisati> brb
[14:32] <rtg> apw, rebased and pushed ABI bump
[14:33] <apw> rtg, ok will get this test done and shove mine on the top
[14:43] <rtg> ppisati, rebooting tangerine for kernel update
[14:45] <ppisati> rtg: ack
[14:48] <rtg> ppisati, though, as usual, it doesn't seem to wanna reboot without a power cycle.
[14:50] <ppisati> rtg: yep
[14:52] <rtg> ppisati, tangerine is back
[14:52] <ppisati> rtg: cool, thanks
[14:59] <rtg> apw, there is a bug about the aufs bits: bug #1222407
[14:59] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1222407 in linux (Ubuntu) "3.11.0-5.11 has broken aufs support (needed for docker)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222407
[15:02] <apw> rtg ok ta will reference that
[15:03] <rtg> apw, looks like a simple thinko ?
[15:03] <apw> just a bit of code which got lost in a rearrangement indeeed
[15:06] <rtg> henrix, kamal, bjf: bug #1222442 is a straightforward regression with analysis. please check our other stable releases to see if they are affected.
[15:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1222442 in linux (Ubuntu) "Linux kernel regression: Links on CIFS shares" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222442
[15:07] <henrix> rtg: looking...
[15:07] <apw> a
[15:07] <bjf> rtg, if there is a fix, we are cranking this week so we could get this fixed up right away
[15:08] <rtg> bjf, chat of Ben to see if its been reported in debian
[15:08] <rtg> chat up*
[15:11] <henrix> rtg: bjf: the fix is already upstream (757c4f6260febff982276818bb946df89c1105aa) and ben's 3.2 kernel containing it is currently under review
[15:12] <smb> rtg, I think gomeisa might be pending a reboot too. Right now I could interrupt what I am doing if it is otherwise idle
[15:12] <rtg> smb, hmm, I think it is up to date
[15:12] <kamal> rtg, henrix, apw: the change that the reporter says introduced the bug is
[15:13] <kamal> upstream commit 62106e9 cifs: only set ops for inodes in I_NEW state
[15:13] <kamal> and it *has* been applied to all stable trees
[15:13] <smb> rtg, Yeah, should have looked before. I *thought* I had seen it but probably some other host
[15:13] <henrix> kamal: yeah, check my msg ^^^ (forgot to highlight your nick :) )
[15:13]  * smb logs in into too many
[15:14] <kamal> henrix, doh!
[15:14] <henrix> kamal: the fix for that bug is tagged for stable and is under review for precise
[15:14] <henrix> kamal: i've it queued for Q as well, but i'll probably just SRU it as i won't be releasing a 3.5 this week
[15:14] <kamal> henrix, and it looks like I've already applied the fix to 3.8-stable, but you have *not* applied it to 3.5-stable
[15:15] <henrix> kamal: i did (today!) :)
[15:15] <kamal> henrix, ah ha!
[15:15] <apw> rg
[15:15]  * smb lends apw a t
[15:15] <apw> rtg, just pushed some updated aufs bits which fix the current issue
[15:15] <apw> smb, thanks, i needed that
[15:15] <bjf> henrix, please SRU it and as long as you are doing yours, please do the precise one as well
[15:16] <henrix> bjf: ack
[15:16] <henrix> kamal: have you released 3.8 with this fix, or shall i SRU it as well?
[15:16] <rtg> apw, cool. will package and upload after I've finished reviewing my pile of LP bugs.
[15:16] <apw> rtg, ack and thanks
[15:17] <kamal> henrix, bjf: I have released it (in <IP_ADDRESS>) ... it already appears in raring's master-next
[15:17] <bjf> kamal, ack
[15:17] <henrix> kamal: cool, so i'll just prepare the P and Q patches
[15:18] <kamal> henrix, agreed
[15:19] <rtg> kamal, there is a note on the k-team list for you regarding 3.8 stable: "nouveau fix for ubuntu kernel"
[15:19] <kamal> rtg, thanks! will look shortly
[15:20] <rtg> bjf, kamal: its an obvious bug fix and should likely get applied before the next turn of the crank
[15:20] <bjf> rtg, ack, can do
[15:26] <rtg> kamal-afk, bug #1222627 appears to be made just for you
[15:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1222627 in linux (Ubuntu) "Suspend stopped working after the 3.8.0-30 upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222627
[15:33] <apw> r
[15:33] <apw> rtg, i didn't put the bug link in that aufs update, cause it was scripted
[15:34] <rtg> apw, I'll get it in
[15:34] <apw> rtg, ta
[15:38] <rtg> apw, I'm gonna upload this kernel since the aufs bug is causing some real issues.
[15:38] <apw> rtg seems appropriate
[15:59] <bjf> kamal-afk, i'll sru the nouveau driver fix (unless you've already done it)
[16:24] <henrix> bjf: while we're at regressions, i never managed to get any reply from bug #1215513
[16:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1215513 in linux (Ubuntu) "System locks up, requires hard reset" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215513
[16:24] <henrix> bjf: the one on the staging zram bug
[16:25] <kamal> bjf, I haven't looked at the nouveau thing yet ... feel free to handle it.
[16:26] <bjf> kamla, done
[16:26] <rtg> kamal even
[16:27] <bjf> henrix, greg sob'd it, it must be good
[16:28] <rtg> besides, its a staging driver....
[16:29] <henrix> bjf: rtg: agreed.. so we just keep it as it is and i'll try to keep an eye on other regressions on this driver
[16:30] <bjf> henrix, no, let's go ahead and sru that fix and get it into this cycle
[16:31] <henrix> bjf: oh, ok. so... iirc the backport isnt trivial and i would rather revert the commit that introduced the issue then having an untested (possibly broken) fix.
[16:32] <henrix> bjf: but i'll have to look again to the fix (there has been a weekend since last time i looked!)
[16:34] <bjf> henrix, ack, go for the simple fix if the backport is a pita
[16:34] <henrix> bjf: ack
[18:18] <dave_> hi, what should I use for grouper: "fakeroot debian/rules binary-omap4" (from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ARMKernelCrossCompile)
[18:19] <rtg> dave_, I use 'dpkg-buildpackage -d -B -aarmhf -us -uc'
[18:21] <dave_> rtg: I was trying this all weekend. It builds. But I can't deploy the zImage (via abootimg) on grouper. It won't boot.
[18:21] <rtg> hmm, well that is a different issue
[18:22] <dave_> rtg: what am I supposed to do once 'dpkg-buildpackage -d -B -aarmhf -us -uc' is finished? How do I get the kernel (boot.img) replaced?
[18:23] <rtg> dave_, there is some abootimg magic that I can never remember. perhaps ogra_ does.
[18:23] <ogra_> just run flash-touch-kernel ... it should dtrt
[18:24] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# flash-touch-kernel -h
[18:24] <ogra_> usage: flash-touch-kernel [path to kernel]
[18:24]  * rtg -> lunch
[18:24] <ogra_> (needs zImage|vmlinuz)
[18:25] <dave_> where does flash-touch-kernel come from?
[18:26] <ogra_> initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch
[18:26] <ogra_> it is preinstalled on the device
[18:26] <ogra_> (and undocumented on purpose :) )
[18:27] <dave_> yes, flash-touch-kernel is on the device. But how is that supposed to work? I can cp a zImage over and flash it on the device???
[18:28] <ogra_> yes
[18:28] <ogra_> adb push zImage /tmp/
[18:28] <ogra_> adb shell
[18:28] <dave_> let me try that
[18:28] <ogra_> flash-touch-kernel /tmp/zImage
[18:30] <ogra_> (you could also just install the .deb of your build, flash-touch-kernel will be called automatically if you do that
[18:30] <ogra_> )
[18:33] <dave_> (when I was trying to install my .deb files,  got an error msg saying smth like "cannot write to /system/.." or similar)
[18:33] <dave_> "flash-touch-kernel /tmp/zImage" does not work. My zImage is not good I guess.
[18:35] <dave_> "fastboot flash boot saucy-preinstalled-boot-armhf+grouper.img" and I'm back in business :-)
[18:35] <dave_> So let me see, 'dpkg-buildpackage -d -B -aarmhf -us -uc' should work on raring?
[18:37] <rtg> dave_, I build on precise using  gcc-4.6-arm-linux-gnueabi
[18:37] <phillw> Hi, is the fix for bug 1218691 noteworthy to kernel team / bug-team / ubuntu+1 ?
[18:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218691 in linux-firmware (Ubuntu) "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/radeon/KAVERI" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218691
[18:38] <rtg> phillw, its benign (unless you have a Radeon that requires the Kaveri firmware)
[18:38]  * apw gives up for the day
[18:39] <dave_> rtg: gcc-4.6-arm-linux-gnueabi is not available on raring. I am using 4.7 here. But I also tried on precise + quantal (chroot) with gcc-4.6-arm-linux-gnueabi. On quantal I can build complete. Maybe I should try that zImage with flash-touch-kernel...
[18:39] <rtg> dave_, we had trouble with 4.7 and higher. it would not produce a bootable kernel
[18:40] <phillw> rtg: in my tiny opinion, having the warning message still flag up is a pain and could lead to further bug reports. However, I leave it in your good hands :)
[18:40] <dave_> rtg: OK
[18:40] <dave_> rtg: precise and quantal both good?
[18:40] <rtg> phillw, I'm hoping the kaveri firmware is upstream by the time saucy releases
[18:41] <rtg> dave_, same cross compiler IIRC, so yeah it should be
[18:41] <phillw> rtg: is there anyone I should ask about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1218691/comments/4
[18:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218691 in linux-firmware (Ubuntu) "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/radeon/KAVERI" [Low,Triaged]
[18:42] <phillw> it is there, just possibly needs a sponsor?
[18:44] <rtg> phillw, get the radeon guys to send a patch to Ben Hutchings<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to include the Kaveri firmware
[18:44] <phillw> rtg: do they have a channel?
[18:45] <rtg> phillw, the linux kernel mailing list (which the radeon devs should know about)
[18:49] <phillw> rtg: thanks, will do :)
[19:18] <dave_> what is "build-generic-lpae" good for?
[19:25] <apw> dave_, larger memory systems (in arm land)
[19:26] <rtg> apw, what happended with you "giving up" for the day ?
[19:28] <dave_> am I supposed to use ./debian/build/build-generic/arch/arm/boot/zImage for grouper, or "./debian/build/build-generic-lpae/arch/arm/boot/zImage" ?
[19:28] <rtg> dave_, I think you're not building from the right branch
[19:29] <dave_> git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-saucy.git
[19:29] <dave_> git checkout -b grouper remotes/origin/grouper
[19:29] <rtg> you should be building from the grouper branch (which does not contain an lpae flavour)
[19:29] <dave_> huh?
[19:30] <rtg> well, that looks right wrt  the branch name.
[19:32] <dave_> well, I just tried a new "./debian/build/build-generic/arch/arm/boot/zImage" and it still doesn't boot on my grouper
[19:33] <dave_> how would I skip building drivers, if I'm in a hurry?
[19:34] <dave_> (I'm a little more familiar with the AOSP build process)
[19:37] <dave_> Looks like I was indeed not on the grouper branch.
[19:43] <dave_> woah, I'm in
[19:46] <dave_> rtg + apw: thank you. "which does not contain an lpae flavour" was solving it for me :)
[19:47] <rtg> dave_, cool
[19:47] <dave_> ...and "flash-touch-kernel /tmp/zImage" is helpful info. But I need to master abootimg too. Thank you!!
[19:48] <rtg> dave_, as for skipping drivers, there really aren't any shortcuts because of debian packaging.
[19:48] <rtg> nuless you _really_ know what yuo're doing
[19:48] <rtg> unless*
[19:50] <dave_> aha. well, normally I do. I just made a mistake in my chroot. didn't have git installed... lalala
[19:51] <dave_> my I ask how long it takes for you to build, say, grouper from scratch?
[19:51] <rtg> dave_, 5-7 minutes on my 4-way 80 CPU server
[19:51] <rtg> longer on my laptop
[19:52] <dave_> "4-way 80 CPU"?
[19:52] <rtg> dave_, its kind of noisy too
[19:53] <rtg> oops, only 64 hyper-threads
[19:53] <ogra_> oh, cking is already gone
[19:53] <dave_> rtg: are you honest?
[19:54] <rtg> ogra_, of course. we chase him off every day at 5P
[19:54] <ogra_>  [    0.000183] Calibrating delay loop (skipped) preset value.. 13.53 BogoMIPS (lpj=67677)
[19:54] <ogra_> :)
[19:54] <ogra_> 13.53 ... funny value for a 1.6 GHz CPU on boot
[19:54] <rtg> dave_, processor	: 63
[19:54] <rtg> vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
[19:54] <rtg> cpu family	: 6
[19:54] <rtg> model		: 46
[19:54] <rtg> model name	: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           X7550  @ 2.00GHz
[19:54] <ogra_> i'll try to catch him tomorrow then
[19:55] <dave_> I admit it takes longer that 5-7 minutes on mine. But won't say how much.
[20:05] <dave_> boot.img via abootimg working also. Life can be good.
[21:03]  * rtg -> EOD
[21:48] <dave_> Why no adb logcat during boot? Or is there a trick?
[21:50] <ogra_> during boot ?
[21:51] <dave_> yeah, link on that other OS, you know.
[21:52] <dave_> like
[21:54] <ogra_> no, we are not that other OS :) our logs live in /var/log
[21:54] <ogra_> but you can use /system/bin/logcat to get logcat output from the android container
[21:54] <ogra_> (it isnt in PATH)
[21:58] <dave_> When this other OS is installed I can run "adb logcat" on my laptop and if the grouper is connected via USB I can watch it boot, from very early on. When I have Ubuntu installed, "adb logcat" shows nothing during boot.
[22:10] <dave_> Above, I was talking about the system log, not the kernel log. The kernel log can be watched during boot like so: adb shell cat /proc/kmsg (on the other OS). Maybe just a simple adb thing, that can be enabled?


[03:46] <RAOF> Oh, boo.
[03:47]  * RAOF forgot xorg-gtest wasn't actually packaged.
[03:54] <RAOF> That puts somewhat of a crimp on an otherwise damn-fine plan.
[05:11] <tjaalton> RAOF: sure is
[05:12] <RAOF> ...
[05:12] <RAOF> So it is.
[05:12] <tjaalton> :)
[05:14] <RAOF> Ta
[08:43] <wickedgrey> hello, i've got a 11.10 install with nvidia-current(-dev), and nvidia-current-updates(-dev).  originally these were the 280 drivers from ubuntu, but i recently added the x-swat PPA to get the 295 drivers.  however, it doesn't seem like the n-c-updates are in the PPA, so /proc/drivers/nvidia/version still shows 280 (even though n-c is installed and shows 295).  is there a way to fix this, or should i uninstall n-c-updates?  sorry if
[08:45] <tjaalton> means the kernel driver didn't build
[08:49] <wickedgrey> any suggestions on how to troubleshoot that?
[08:53] <tjaalton> check the dkms logs in /var/log/dkms or such
[08:54] <tjaalton> or just run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`
[08:54] <tjaalton> it should complain about it
[09:05] <wickedgrey> hrm, i don't have a /var/log/dkms or anything that looks similar, and dpkg-reconfigure didn't seem to say anything about the gpu, or anything that looked like an error :(
[09:21] <wickedgrey> thanks for your help, i'm off to bed
[11:37] <tjaalton> sigh.. bug 942977
[11:37] <tjaalton> ->close
[20:45] <cnd> Sarvatt, bryceh, RAOF: I'm going to enable the right button area by default for clickpads, if that's alright with you?
[20:45] <cnd> whot also is advocating for it
[20:45] <cnd> it would fix bug 941046
[20:45] <Sarvatt> cnd: "fix" :(
[20:45] <cnd> Sarvatt, hmm?
[20:45] <Sarvatt> two finger press right click is how these things have always worked, thats going to be a hot debate
[20:46] <cnd> yeah
[20:46] <cnd> sorry
[20:46] <cnd>  I got it
[20:46] <cnd> Sarvatt, what do you think would be better?
[20:46] <Sarvatt> sounds good though, better than no right click :)
[20:46] <cnd> clickpad support, or two-finger-right-click?
[20:46] <Sarvatt> (disabling clickpad)
[20:46] <Sarvatt> on bcm5974
[20:47] <cnd> Sarvatt, why only on macbooks?
[20:47] <Sarvatt> cnd: what does clickpad get you on these bcm5974's btw?
[20:47] <Sarvatt> because none of them have button areas on the bottom
[20:47] <cnd> Sarvatt, click and drag with two separate fingers
[20:47] <Sarvatt> its not obvious
[20:47] <cnd> Sarvatt, yeah, that's the reason I'm hesitant
[20:47] <cnd> it's not obvious there's a right button area
[20:48] <cnd> Sarvatt, people like vanhoof have been begging me for clickpad support
[20:48] <cnd> and he uses the magic trackpad
[20:48] <Sarvatt> ah yeah i see what you mean
[20:48] <cnd> I'm guessing he would much rather have clickpad + right button area
[20:48] <Sarvatt> yeah but magic trackpad wouldn't be affected since its not bcm5974
[20:48] <cnd> Sarvatt, if you're going to do it to bcm5974, you should do it for hid-magicmouse too :)
[20:48] <cnd> there practically the same
[20:48] <cnd> they're*
[20:50] <Sarvatt> gotcha, no worries, disabling clickpad is the better option for my own personal usage because right click is muuuch more important than click then moving with a second finger
[20:50] <cnd> maybe I should send an email to ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-desktop
[20:50] <Sarvatt> hmm, that would be trivial to add to g-c-c, i wonder if its too late
[20:51] <cnd> Sarvatt, that's what I worry about
[20:51] <cnd> that and it doesn't really solve the problem
[20:51] <cnd> I don't want to have a checkbox for "Enable clickpad (and disable two-touch-click for right button)"
[20:51] <cnd> however you phrase it
[20:52] <cnd> I'm really just two weeks short of have the time to get it right I think
[20:52] <cnd> I could put in some heuristics to re-enable click action + clickpad
[20:52] <cnd> but it's a bit late...
[20:52] <cnd> and I have other bugs I need to get to
[22:07] <Sarvatt> cnd: click and drag with a second finger being for pinch to zoom i suppose?
[22:07] <Sarvatt> or rotate or whatever
[22:07] <cnd> Sarvatt, no
[22:08] <cnd> just being able to perform a drag
[22:08] <cnd> like dragging an icon on the desktop
[22:08] <Sarvatt> never tried doing that without just dragging the finger i'm pressing into the touchpad with i guess
[22:10] <Sarvatt> wish i never got used to this darn mac trackpad :)
[22:11] <cnd> Sarvatt, the problem is if you try to drag beyond the bounds of your trackpad
[22:11] <cnd> that's where you need to be able to do it with two fingers
[22:11] <Sarvatt> ahh low acceleration values, i do raise mine a ton from defaults
[22:11] <cnd> heh
[23:04] <bryceh> cnd, I'm kind of two minds with the clickpad changes (caveat being I haven't re-tested in a week or so)
[23:06] <bryceh> cnd, from an X perspective I think we do need to move forward with enabling the new functionality even if it regresses a bit.  Like I mentioned before, it'd be nice if it were configurable in some way, but admittedly it's too late in the game.
[23:07] <bryceh> cnd, from a user perspective, in addition to my netbook, I also have ones for my mom, dad, and mother-in-law, and I can't envision any of them learning and using the gestures
[23:07] <bryceh> cnd, on the plus side, they hate the pad in general already and pretty much all use external usb mice instead
[23:08] <cnd> heh
[23:08] <cnd> I think this is one reason they may hate it
[23:08] <cnd> it's nearly impossible to click+drag
[23:08] <bryceh> I suspect you may be right
[23:11] <cnd> I think it makes sense to enable the right button area on synaptics at least
[23:11] <cnd> that solves all issues there
[23:11] <cnd> it's really just the apple trackpads
[23:12] <cnd> if I didn't have people clamoring for clickpad support for apple trackpads, I might be tempted to enable clickpad support only for synaptics trackpads
[23:16] <Sarvatt> cnd: magic trackpads people use on their non mac laptops where they are used to having right click buttons and want a button area, or people using internal mac trackpads where they have never had a right button area though? :P
[23:17] <Sarvatt> if the touchpad clicks anywhere on the touchpad surface, it seems weird to want to click in the bottom right corner only to right click
[23:17] <cnd> Sarvatt, people using the magic trackpad aren't used to having right button areas in any OS, as far as I can tell
[23:17] <cnd> so that makes both internal and external the same
[23:21] <wickedgrey> cnd: when you say "magic trackpad" do you mean only the external one?  my macbook pro trackpad has right-click functionality in the lower right corner of the pad
[23:22] <Sarvatt> wickedgrey: did you enable that?
[23:23] <cnd> wickedgrey, magic trackpad is external
[23:23] <cnd> wickedgrey, how old is your laptop (or what is its model number?)
[23:26] <Sarvatt> hmm i guess other distros wont even notice the mac change until they pick up "Input: bcm5974 - set BUTTONPAD property" which doesn't seem to be upstream yet
[23:26] <cnd> heh
[23:26] <cnd> yeah
[23:27] <Sarvatt> oh it is upstream in 3.3
[23:28] <wickedgrey> IIRC, i did have to enable that in settings somewhere.  i got the laptop in late 2010
[23:31] <Sarvatt> cnd: if it ever got fixed in the future where 2 finger click could be right click while also  being able to drag with 2 fingers, would it be in the synaptics driver or do you think it'd need server changes? aka is there nothing stopping it from being SRUed ever if it did get fixed and we get bugs?
[23:32]  * Sarvatt hate hate hates looking at synaptics bugs, they are mostly opinion on how the default settings should be
[23:32] <cnd> Sarvatt, it would be in the synaptics driver
[23:32] <cnd> could be SRU'd but it would be a big change
[23:32] <cnd> imo
[23:34] <Sarvatt> awesome
[23:39] <cnd> wickedgrey, oh, you're probably meaning that you have right click from a tap in the lower right corner
[23:39] <cnd> we're talking about a "press" in the lower right corner
[23:40] <wickedgrey> what's the difference between a tap and a press?  sorry, not up on the jargon :)
[23:44] <cnd> wickedgrey, if you have a clickpad you have to press on the touchpad to perform a physical click
[23:44] <cnd> the touchpad physically goes up and down
[23:45] <cnd> so a tap is where you momentarily touch the touchpad surface without the touchpad physically moving
[23:45] <cnd> and a press is where you press the touchpad surface and move it physically
[23:47] <wickedgrey> ah, gotcha.  i can press for right-click, but not tap.  sorry for the derail!  :)
[23:48] <wickedgrey> (not sure if there are additional settings i could alter to change that or not)
[23:48] <Sarvatt> bryceh: did i misread the scrollback or did you forward that mesa bug to fdo? got a link handy by any chance?
[23:49] <bryceh> Sarvatt, I did forward it, one sec
[23:49] <bryceh> https://bugs.freedesktop.org//show_bug.cgi?id=46739
[23:49] <bryceh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/926379
[23:50] <bryceh> no responses yet
[23:50] <bryceh> however I also emailed Eugeni directly, and he confirmed they've escalated it on their end
[23:50] <bryceh> (so... I'm surprised there's no further comment today)
[23:51] <Sarvatt> bryceh: thanks a ton! yeah i didnt see anything on the lists about it
[23:52] <bryceh> I should forward a few more bugs.  Been distracted hacking on libXrandrUtils this week
[23:52] <bryceh> (up to crtcs and outputs and modes, oh my!)
[23:54] <RAOF> Woot!
[23:57] <bryceh> nvidia's seeing an influx of bugs the last couple weeks - http://www.bryceharrington.org/Arsenal/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-precise-workqueue.svg
[23:58] <bryceh> -synaptics is getting a few more than usual too


[05:08] <daftykins> !trusty
[06:44] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:54] <ducasse> good morning, lotuspsychje - how are you today?
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse very good as its holiday!
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> hey xangua
[06:55] <xangua> Hey
[06:55] <xangua> Good midnight
[06:56] <ducasse> \o xangua
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> how are you today ducasse
[06:58] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: yay! :) i'm fine, thanks - got to go shopping groceries today as the shops will be closed for a few days again
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> aha! we did full fridge yesterday :p
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> all well EriC^^ ?
[07:04] <EriC^^> yeah just woke up :D
[07:04] <EriC^^> how's it going with you?
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> great, holidays yess
[07:06] <EriC^^> awesome :D
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> ahhh coffee tastes so good
[07:35] <ducasse> hi EriC^^ - how are you?
[07:35] <EriC^^> hi ducasse , good thanks you?
[07:38] <ducasse> all good here, EriC^^ - enjoying a quiet morning
[07:39] <EriC^^> cool  :)
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> did you guys read intel graphics tool has been depraced
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> as drivers got backed well from the Os itself
[07:58] <ducasse> i saw the article, but didn't really read it
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> !info pingus
[08:21] <EriC^^> nice
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> looks great
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> neat graphics & nostalgy haha
[08:27] <EriC^^> :D
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> bbl shower
[09:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> cool bionic got transfer integration on nautilus icon
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> !debian | iBurger21
[11:12] <guiverc> iBurger21, #ubuntu is for Support questions only
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> iBurger21: as your on ubuntu here, we of course reccomend you use ubuntu
[11:13] <iBurger21> I personally started using ubuntu for my servers because I noticed there are PPAs which sometimes fix things for me.
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> iBurger21: ubuntu is friendly in use for everyone
[11:13] <guiverc> Ubuntu has a looser policy on what can be included (ie. many non-free bins are included in the ubuntu iso when compared to debian - making installs easier
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> +1 guiverc
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje, guiverc
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> hey mate
[11:13] <guiverc> free meaning freedom (debian terminology) ; non-free meaning no cost to use, but no freedom to view/change source etc
[11:14] <guiverc> Howdy BluesKaj lotuspsychje - hope ya both well.   Happy Easter (Passover...)
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> tnx u2 happy EGG
[11:15] <iBurger21> I know this maybe sounds stupid: but how do you guys recommend me to install Google Chrome?
[11:15] <iBurger21> Add the PPA, yes or no?
[11:15] <iBurger21> (that's the 1st I do on Linux now)
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> iBurger21: we have chromium-browser as alternate for ubuntu
[11:15] <iBurger21> Sounds good
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> ttyl guys
[11:16] <iBurger21> cheers
[11:16] <iBurger21> ttyl
[11:16] <guiverc> iBurger21, i don't really use it, but a simple way is adding the ubuntu-mate welcome package (which includes the software-boutique) and selecting chrome from their. many non-standard software is listed in the boutique and ppa's are added automatically if required
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Happy Easter lotuspsychje, I just cut the cord to my sat service a couple of days ago ...I receive more tv chans on kodi than I can watch :-)
[11:16] <iBurger21> Ahh that's amazing. If possible, I don't want to mess a lot with the system.
[11:16] <iBurger21> (cus you risk fucking it up)
[11:16] <iBurger21> Thanks guiverc
[11:17] <guiverc> it makes adding things like skysomething, dropsomething easy - as many common apps are there :)  (and repos are safe/vetted)
[11:17] <BluesKaj> iBurger21, google chrome coes as a deb file if you download it from their site...and watch the language please
[11:18] <BluesKaj> comes
[11:18] <guiverc> ps: it works on any *ubuntu, just created by ubuntu-mate flavor...
[11:18] <iBurger21> Ahh but ubuntu-mate is also gives you the Mate desktop.
[11:19] <iBurger21> ^ gotta add the ubuntu welcome package, will do some research.
[11:19] <guiverc> one difference between ubuntu & debian is release date. both are ~two year releases (stable debian vs lts ubuntu), but you know when ubuntu is released (even year, april), you don't know when debian will be [released; ie. when its ready]
[11:20] <guiverc> the welcome package is just a welcome-intro app (plus software-boutique), and won't include anything else of the mate desktop... software-boutique was just packaged with welcome-app
[11:21] <guiverc> installing ubuntu-mate-welcome will only add welcome & software.boutique apps to other ubuntu's, no part of mate desktop will be added (unless you add it)
[11:22] <iBurger21> i really like the new look of 18.04
[11:22] <iBurger21> ubuntu looks cool again
[11:24] <iBurger21> one question: does the python package in ubuntu, come directly from debian?
[11:25] <guiverc> another advantage I guess with Ubuntu - from 12.04LTS (past EOL) you could switch to 12.04ESM for longer support; debian doesn't really have that security...
[11:27] <guiverc> re: python - i don't use python so no idea.  https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python &  https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/python would need me to check the maintainers to see.. i don't recognize names & not willing to spend time myself sorry.
[11:27] <iBurger21> ill look into it, thanks
[11:29] <iBurger21> python3-minimal
[11:29] <iBurger21> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/python3-minimal
[11:29] <guiverc> generally ubuntu/canonical try to change minimal (to reduce maintenance costs)  - in fact some of debian is maintained by canonical staff..
[11:29] <iBurger21> yes that's what the page says too
[11:30] <guiverc> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/p/python3-defaults/python3-defaults_3.6.4-1/changelog  -- nearly every email is @debian...
[11:32] <guiverc> (i had to go to 2009 to find first @ubuntu.com email in changelog..)
[11:32] <iBurger21> wow that's a good thing
[11:33] <iBurger21> (i can develop on ubuntu and deploy on debian)
[11:47] <iBurger21> What I also appreciate about Ubuntu is that there a recent versions of Neovim included.
[11:48] <iBurger21> Some stuff in Debian gets so old. It really takes a lot of time to get it all up to snuff.
[11:50] <guiverc> yes - ubuntu is mostly debian-testing (so its rarely as old as debian-stable), though i know many many folks who only ever used debian-testing  (and thus see lesser older stuff)...  hadn't seen neovim so thanks :)
[13:33] <iBurger21> the neovim completion manager is just plain brilliant
[13:33] <iBurger21> https://github.com/roxma/nvim-completion-manager
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> whats going on with drivers lately, arent those suppose to keep stable when they work?
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> got 2 eth chipsets on xenial and bionic that worked fine, and after updates cant connect anymore
[15:11] <kostkon> lotuspsychje, which ones
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: realtek & 3com https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1755248
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: they worked fine month ago
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> welcome ppf
[15:21] <ppf> hi
[15:21] <ppf> wanna see what this chan is about :)
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> we discuss about latest stuff here to make #ubuntu support better
[15:23] <kostkon> like this one lol. windows just got demoted https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/30/17179328/microsoft-windows-reorganization-future-2018
[15:23] <lordievader> Does 3com still exist?
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: yeah yeah laugh at my old hardware
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: the other chipset was in a more recent laptop
[15:23] <lordievader> Thought that was one of those companies you only heard off from stories of the past.
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: if the driver was working amonth ago...
[15:24] <lordievader> Oh, it is actually true 🤣🤣🤣
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> nice link kostkon
[15:26] <lordievader> And now? No device is detected?
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: yeah device is detected, driver active, just cant connect eth anymore, wifi works like a charm on both systems
[15:28] <lordievader> Through the network manager? What happens when you connect manually?
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: yes via nm, when trying to click in icon eth it doesnt connect
[15:31] <ppf> what about using i[
[15:31] <ppf> ip
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> ppf: didnt test that yet
[15:32] <lordievader> Yeah, that is what I meant with manually, just ip or dhclient.
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> my isp has dynamic ip
[15:32] <ppf> is this machine your router?
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> if ip was bad, wifi would not work neither right?
[15:33] <ppf> what's the network topology?
[15:33] <lordievader> You don't have a router between you and your isp?
[15:33] <ppf> lordievader: he talks about wifi, i bet he does ;)
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> ppf: no router, vdsl2 modem straightly connected
[15:33] <lordievader> With `ip` we mean the command from iproute2.
[15:34] <ppf> lotuspsychje: what're you connecting your wifi to then?
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> vdsl2[15:34] <lotuspsychje> ppf: bot machines got wifi card also, working fine there
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> ppf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1755248
[15:35] <ppf> lotuspsychje: there's no wifi AP in your topology graph
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah both vdsl2 modems got wifi broadcast
[15:36] <ppf> wat
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> vdsl2 sagem modem + wifi
[15:37] <ppf> is it a router, a modem, or a 'wifi modem' you got from your asp?
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> wifi modem
[15:37] <lordievader> Oh, they are probably one of those all in ones
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> bbl dinner first mate
[15:37] <ppf> yeah, that's a router
[15:37] <ppf> so your isp doesn't matter
[15:37] <lordievader> Modem + router +WiFi
[15:38] <ppf> so, ifup your eth, and run dhclient
[15:38] <lordievader> Anyhow, try to connect manually.
[15:38] <lordievader> Don't blaim nm before you know nm is the problem 😉
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> ok ill try, you guys got me thinking
[17:16] <Bashing-om> I got to run .. back in several hours .


[04:26] <nixternal> i just updated the binaryredneck svn with the latest handbook layout. if you have made changes to the old layout, go ahead and work in the C.old/ directory, and let me know when you upload so I can remerge
[08:22] <LaserJock> RichEd: you actually here?
[08:23] <RichEd> hi LaserJock ... yep
[08:24] <LaserJock> cool, I haven't seen you for a while
[08:24] <RichEd> Was travelling to meetings ... now trying to catch up with old work & new work coming in.
[08:26] <LaserJock> yeah, ogra said a little bit about the Poland conf
[08:43] <highvoltage> laser.. laser.. away!
[08:46] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage
[08:46] <Burgundavia> see you made tectonic
[08:47] <highvoltage> hey Burgundavia
[10:36] <cbx33> ping ogra
[12:34] <MotherLUG> Evening
[12:36] <MotherLUG> cafuego_, Kamping_Kaiser .  Hi guys, I discovered a little hiccup with Edubuntu, can you direct me to the correct person to chat with please
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> MotherLUG, depends on the hickup.
[12:38] <MotherLUG> A game that is installed by default, that I don't think should be
[12:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> MotherLUG, hm. well the usual responce is file a bug, but also ping ogra_ , as he should know what to do better then me
[12:39] <MotherLUG> Kamping_Kaiser, I now have an 8yr old addicted to Blackjack
[12:39] <MotherLUG> Kamping_Kaiser, I don't knwo how to file a bug report
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> MotherLUG, ah yeh. give ogra_  a ping.
[12:41] <MotherLUG> ogra_, ping
[12:46] <Bambi_Bofh> hm. cant connect to my shell.
[12:46] <Bambi_Bofh> suppose this will have to do (its Kamping_Kaiser )
[12:48] <highvoltage> 4
[12:50] <Bambi_Bofh> 4?
[12:52] <highvoltage> yes!
[12:52] <highvoltage> sorry, was a fluke of a slow connection, that
[12:53] <Bambi_Bofh> lol
[01:15] <ogra_> MotherLUG, create a dedicated user for your daughter and use the menu editor to delete blackjack :)
[01:17] <Bambi_Bofh> ah, i'm back
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi ogra_
[01:18] <MotherLUG> ogra_, thankyou.
[01:19] <ogra_> MotherLUG, i'd disable it if i could, but its part of gnome-games so either all of them go or none of them ...
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra_, thats a nusense. would patching out the .desktop file be more work then its worth?
[01:20] <ogra_> well, it would work, but then you wouldnt be able to enable it again ...
[01:20] <MotherLUG> ogra_, ahhh, I was wondering which packet it was in, that's a bit of a poo poo
[01:20] <ogra_> i'll look into it, we can probably disable it by default from the menu at least
[01:21] <ogra_> a bug about it as reminder would be nice
[01:22] <MotherLUG> ogra_, that sounds like a brilliant idea.  I'll try and submit a bug for it
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> MotherLUG, if you need a hand just ask
[01:24] <MotherLUG> Kamping_Kaiser, Thanks for the offer. I will definately holler if needed
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. didnt go so well that turn.
[02:51] <cbx33> ogra_: did i get the time wrong for the meeting
[03:15] <RichEd> hi LaserJock ... yep
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi RichEd
[03:16] <RichEd> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:40] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> hallo
[03:51] <bddebian> Heya
[04:12] <juliux> hi all
[04:13] <juliux> where are all the old e-mail on the edubuntu-user mailingliste from?
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> how old?
[04:15] <ogra_> juliux, i think highvoltage cleaned out the filters ...
[04:15] <juliux> Kamping_Kaiser, from june:(
[04:15] <juliux> ogra_, ah ok
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> wow. backlog from june is a bit intence o_0
[04:34] <highvoltage> hmmm?
[05:06] <rockprincess> oh my god i found some information.... http://www.bmbwk.gv.at/schulen/unterricht/it/Microsoft_Fit_for_the_Future.xml .... these are prices for students at high schools and colleges, if they want to purchase a license for their home.....80 Euros for Windows XP Professional Upgrade inkl. SP2*, which is just an UPGRADE...this means you have to own a full version of Windows OEM or System Builder License already at home...
[05:10] <rockprincess> what a rip-off!
[05:11] <sbalneav> ogra_: Ping!  Hey dude!  I got all my out of town offices running Edgy + LTSP5
[05:11] <sbalneav> + Gnome
[05:12] <sbalneav> rockprincess: Fortunately, you have alternatives :)
[05:14] <rockprincess> sbalneav: true...but the hardest part is to convince schools and students that this is the right choice....settling onto open source!
[05:15] <sbalneav> That's an ongoing battle.  I've found with most of the stuff that I've done, quiet persistence is the key.  That, and not overselling what Free software can do.  Always better to be realistic as to where it makes sense to fit in. :)
[05:16] <rockprincess> for example?
[05:18] <sbalneav> Well, we switched over to Linux + LTSP where I work.  In the beginning, I was quite clear that things would look different, and that not all programs that we had would work under Linux.  For us, the economic factors were key, so it was an acceptible compromise.
[05:19] <sbalneav> Doing a show and tell's always nice.  Especially with a thin client lab.  We've seen a lot of people adopt Linux in schools based upon the fact that it ran on their current hardware.
[05:22] <rockprincess> true....but I'm just worried that people (especially olderly people) will start complaining that things won't work as in windows and that they have to get used to different things than on their home computer, and people will start questioning whether or not it's useful to get kids to use free software in schools and then at home there will be using their proprietary windows again....they will have to get used to two
[05:22] <rockprincess> different systems ....
[05:26] <sbalneav> Kids are the least of your problems.  My kids use XP at school, and Ubuntu at home.  Both are comfortable for them to use, and, whats more, they'd rather use the home system, because "at least that works" as my son says.  Apparently, at any given time, half the computers in the lab at school are down at any given time :)
[05:27] <rockprincess> hehe really how come?
[05:27] <sbalneav> It's usually the adults that have the most bias.    Apparently, if a student downloads too much information from the internet (plugins I expect) it locks up the box, and they have to wait a week for a School Division technician to come out and fix it. :)
[05:29] <rockprincess> you say kids are the least problem.....ok, let's just imagine the following cenario...what if a kid has decided to put edubuntu on his home computer and then finds out that his/her favourite computer game won't work on edubuntu....i can imagine that she/he will go straight back to windows....
[05:30] <rockprincess> kids simply love to play computer games...
[05:31] <rockprincess> and especially over the network with their friends...
[05:31] <sbalneav> Well, lots of games DO work on linux, under wine, or transgaming, and these days, quite frankly, most kids don't play games on computers.  They've got an XBOX or a PS2 or Nintendo for that.
[05:32] <sbalneav> But, counterstrike, quake, etc all work under linux.
[05:32] <rockprincess> true....
[05:33] <rockprincess> i didn't know that counterstrike worked under linux...
[05:35] <sbalneav> Yeah, google for transgaming.  There's a whole bunch of things that work under Linux.
[05:37] <rockprincess> transgaming = wine?
[05:41] <juliux> hey rockprincess
[05:41] <juliux> rockprincess, transgaming == wine + directx
[05:41] <rockprincess> hello juliux! i think i've just found a wicked wiki :D
[05:42] <rockprincess> http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/wiki/Category:Supported
[05:42] <rockprincess> need to bookmark that ;)
[05:42] <juliux> rockprincess, but transgaming is the old name the new one is cedega
[05:49] <cbx33> afternoon all!!
[05:51] <rockprincess> hello cbx33!
[05:53] <nixternal> sbalneav: i have changed once again the layout of the handbook if you haven't noticed yet
[05:53] <nixternal> much simpler layout, which can be broke out easier come time for topic based help
[06:36] <sbalneav> nixternal: Ah, cool.
[06:37] <nixternal> im hopefully going to get some content in there this weekend
[06:37] <nixternal> i will leave the LTSP stuff up to you pros, as I know absolutely nothing about it really
[06:38] <sbalneav> looks like the LTSP section moved all into one file?
[06:38] <nixternal> ya
[06:39] <nixternal> so each of the previous p2-blah.xml is now just a <sect1 id="ltsp-blah" status="draft">
[06:39] <sbalneav> ok
[06:39] <sbalneav> I saw the planet post, I'll try to get my butt in gear, and start adding more doco.
[06:39] <nixternal> another reason why i did that is now when you ./validate.sh the handbook.xml if there is an error it will tell you the file.xml and the correct line number now
[06:39] <nixternal> much easier to debug
[06:54] <jo3> hi
[06:57] <Burgwork> hey jo3
[06:57] <jo3> ;)


[18:03] <erichammond_> Is there supposed to be a weekly meeting here, now?
[18:07] <zoopster> kim0: ^^ ??
[18:08] <kim0> hey
[18:08] <zoopster> erichammond_: nice reply to sjvn's misleading article
[18:08] <kim0> indeed .. although I'm on a holiday this week
[18:09] <zoopster> kim0: when are they resuming?
[18:09] <kim0> next Wed should be fine
[18:09] <kim0> erichammond_: hi eric o/
[18:09] <kim0> although if anyone is here for the meeting, I don't mind taking questions
[18:10] <erichammond_> zoopster: Has that article been removed or replaced yet?
[18:11] <zoopster> erichammond_: don't think so...haven't checked, but he's usually quite "good" and that article was awful
[18:14] <erichammond_> 'lo kim0.
[18:16] <erichammond_> Found an irc client for the iPad so I can monitor chats before getting up. Wish it had Swype for typing like my Android phone.
[20:35] <mathiaz> erichammond: hi!
[20:36] <mathiaz> erichammond: is it possible to start an instance in EC2 that doesn't have a public dns name?
[20:40] <mathiaz> erichammond: oh well - seems like not


[00:33] <drock_> Can anyone help me diagnose a sound issue? I'm running Kubuntu 10.10 and have firefox installed. The videos play but no sound.
[00:36] <boudiccas> drock_, have you checked the speakers are plugged in okay?
[00:37] <drock_> Yes. It works for everything else. I have all my sound settings set to the same source. I'm playing music right now.
[00:39] <drock_> What's also strange is that it used to work and now it doesn't. I also can't play sound on any local videos from my hard drive recently. Older ones I still can.
[00:42] <boudiccas> drock_, lets see if i understood you - you can play sound outisde of firefox but not within it?
[00:43] <drock_> Yes. Amarok plays sound. Dragon Player plays sound on some things.
[00:44] <boudiccas> drock_, have you got any ff extension which affects the sound?
[00:44] <boudiccas> i don tknow what 'dragon player ' is?
[00:45] <drock_> It's a movie player that came with my install of Kubuntu
[00:46] <drock_> My firefox extensions are adblock Plus, Flash Aid, gTranslate, NoScript and Beef Taco
[00:49] <boudiccas> drock_, try dissabling flash aid and then try  to get soundd in ff again
[00:52] <drock_> No change.
[00:52] <boudiccas> i dont know then, sorry
[01:02] <drock_> thanks for the attempt
[01:43] <Ze_m> nfs cant handle dns -> mount.nfs: Failed to resolve server asus: Name or service not known , any help?
[01:52] <peter__> test
[02:53] <Kaleidoscope> Is there like a list or something anywhere where I can see which Wireless cards are compatible with Kubuntu?
[03:17] <valorie> !wireless
[03:17] <valorie> eh, he left
[05:05] <mole_> just like to say thanks.... last kubuntu update fixed my stalling kwin with intel graphics on my netbook
[05:05]  * mole_ is super pumped
[05:28] <Daskreech> mole_: cool :)
[05:28] <mole_> yeah!
[05:29] <mole_> super pumped about that
[05:29] <mole_> when i alt tabbed and my system didn't hang with kwin eating 100% for 15 seconds
[05:29] <mole_> i wanted to come in here and give u all kisses
[05:31] <Daskreech> Umm
[05:31] <Daskreech> well you still can do that
[05:31] <mole_> lol
[05:31] <mole_> i just might
[05:31] <mole_> what i want to know is
[05:32] <mole_> if i install 11.04
[05:32] <mole_> can i operate
[05:32] <mole_> i mean... i don't have problem with small fixable problems
[05:32] <mole_> but i don't want to toast my desktop completely
[05:33] <mole_> anyone pulled that yet?
[05:43] <Daskreech> mole_: You should get stuff to work but you may have one or two days of down time for the GUI
[05:43] <mole_> so home use only
[05:43] <mole_> heh
[05:43] <Daskreech> Umm yeah
[05:44] <Daskreech> don't run bleeding edge things at work
[05:44] <mole_> oh i don't
[05:44] <Daskreech> like at any point unless that is your work
[05:44] <mole_> i don't have too many problems with 10.10 for my desktop at work
[05:44] <Daskreech> Lots of people think that Ubuntu after it's released is too bleeding edge
[05:44] <mole_> but i use 10.04 on my dev server
[05:44] <mole_> nah nah... i switched to ubuntu because gentoo was lagging behind
[05:44] <mole_> i want bleeding edge
[05:44] <mole_> but i'm too busy to spend too much down time at home
[05:45] <mole_> u know?
[05:45] <mole_> need all fresh packages always...
[05:45] <mole_> when u're not crazy busy
[05:45] <mole_> heh
[05:45] <mole_> 10.10 is definitely not stable enough for 100% uptime though
[05:50] <Daskreech> mole_: very few desktop Linux versions are
[05:51] <boudiccas> what is the default user name and password please to install kubuntu with?
[05:58] <mole_> Daskreech: oh i know
[05:58] <mole_> i was down with kde 2.0 so i know how it goes
[05:58] <Daskreech> boudiccas: You give it one when you install
[05:59] <Daskreech> KDE 2.0 ahhhh the good old days
[05:59] <mole_> ye
[06:00] <mole_> man i just got this job
[06:00] <mole_> i was a programmer then i quit and i was brick laying for a bit
[06:00] <boudiccas> Daskreech, i'm trying to install and get stuck when its asking for that
[06:00] <mole_> but now i'm hackin again
[06:00] <mole_> it's soo awesome
[06:00] <mole_> i'm super pumped
[06:00] <FloodBotK2> mole_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:00] <mole_> lol :P
[06:01] <mole_> i got a gnomer right behind me
[06:01] <mole_> it's funny
[06:01] <Daskreech> boudiccas: It get stuck?
[06:02] <boudiccas> its waiting for a reponse
[06:02] <boudiccas> will a user name of =ubuntu work with a blank password?
[06:03] <boudiccas> thats what seesm to have worked in the past according to google
[06:04] <boudiccas> okay, i'm off to try it and see. wish me luck :)
[06:05] <mole_> is he messing with samba?
[06:29] <Daskreech> I have no idea
[06:43] <DaPenguin> you know you've been coding to long when you start ending sentences with semicolons....
[06:45] <Daskreech> :)
[06:47] <mr0wl> ko
[06:48] <mr0wl> lol
[06:53] <Daskreech> ok
[07:26] <Chris_H> Hi, how can I retrieve the default KDE settings?
[07:30] <gayan1> hello
[07:31] <gayan1> hello
[07:50] <MK``> hello :) I just installed the kubuntu-desktop package in my ubuntu installation, and now it replaces my splash screen with kubuntu. How do I change it back to the original Ubuntu one without removing any of kubuntu?
[07:57] <mase_wk> MK``: good question....i guess you could apt-get install ubuntu-desktop --reinstall
[07:58] <mase_wk> i think that should work and it shouldn't remove anything
[07:58] <mase_wk> actually
[07:58] <mase_wk> that's probably overkill
[07:59] <mase_wk> i am sure you can just dpkg-reconfigure something
[07:59] <mase_wk> but i don't specifically know which package you would need to do that to
[08:00] <MK``> I installed xubuntu as well... it shows the Kubuntu splash screen, takes me to the Xubuntu login screen, then logs me into Ubuntu; made my day seeing that this morning
[08:04] <valorie> isn't the splash controlled by Plymouth?
[08:05] <valorie> I know that you can use systemsettings to change it in Kub.
[08:05] <valorie> but in general *buntu, it's called Plymouth
[08:05] <valorie> as I recall
[08:05] <valorie> !plymouth
[08:05] <valorie> heh
[08:06] <mase_wk> good work.
[08:06] <valorie> thanks, ubottu
[08:07] <MK``> Ah, well all the icons were changed :P
[08:10] <MK``> That was easy :D
[08:10] <Guest10516> hello
[08:10] <Guest10516> i hate kubuntu but i love ubuntu
[08:13] <bazhang> Guest10516, thats not topical here
[08:14] <MK``> kubuntu was the only listing that had an "auto" option. What does that do when selected?
[08:22] <Tm_T> MK``: auto just means that it's the choice that is selected automatically, but can be overriden manually
[08:22] <MK``> ah
[08:36] <Guest2355353523> hello i need really GNOME support
[08:36] <Guest2355353523> where can i find
[08:36] <bazhang> Guest2355353523, you know that
[08:36] <Guest2355353523> ok
[09:25] <gabriel> Hello, I am having trouble playing a dvd. I click the play movie icon in the dvd menu and the dvd spins up, but vlc crashes
[09:27] <gabriel> I have the restricted extras installed...
[09:29] <gabriel> hello?
[09:31] <Tm_T> gabriel: hmm, what happens with other players than vlc?
[09:32] <gabriel> error occured could not read from resource
[09:32] <Tm_T> !dvd
[09:36] <gabriel> COOL! thanks got it going!
[10:10] <Ash_> Hello I need help getting my sound card to work
[10:10] <haakonn> hello, in my kde there is a systray icon that appears for around half a second every other minute. i now think it has something to do with kubuntu's package updater or something. because it causes the systray to expand and then shrink back, it's highly distractive. any way around this?
[10:11] <Peace-> Ash_: which problem do you have ?
[10:11] <Peace-> haakonn: screenshot please
[10:11] <haakonn> Peace-:  i've tried, but it's so brief that it's hard to capture
[10:11] <Ash_> The sound card Intel HD audio just isn't being recognized by the system
[10:12] <valorie> !sound
[10:12] <Peace-> haakonn: ok so , you should use gif animated
[10:12] <Peace-> haakonn: byzanz-record  --delay=3 --duration=8 --cursor  plasma_howto-throw-ball.gif
[10:12] <Peace-> haakonn: that create a gif animated about  8 seconds
[10:12] <Peace-> haakonn: then you can upload somewhere
[10:13] <Peace-> Ash_: mm
[10:13] <haakonn> Peace-:  i'll look at that, thanks
[10:13] <Peace-> Ash_: alsamixer -V all
[10:15] <Ash_> I think it might work now.. Let me check. because it says that my card is HDA Intel and it knows that it is the Realtek ALC880
[10:16] <Peace-> Ash_: i am sure it will work
[10:16] <Peace-> it's only a setting problem
[10:16] <Peace-> hda intel alcSTUF works
[10:21] <Ash_> Okay I still can't seem to get it to work
[10:21] <Ash_> how can I run a test for the speakers
[10:22] <Ash_> or maybe I am just doing something wrong
[10:25] <valorie> !encrypt
[10:27] <Ash_on_his_linux> Hey Peace- this is Ash but on his linux
[10:28] <Peace-> Ash_on_his_linux: ok
[10:28] <Ash_on_his_linux> I can't get the sound to work still
[10:28] <Peace-> Ash_on_his_linux: ok this is my blog http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/kubuntu-audio-card-that-doesnt-work/
[10:30] <Ash_on_his_linux> okay I will check the blog out and I will tell you wat happens
[10:36] <Ash_again> I don't know what you did but it works
[10:36] <Ash_again> worked*
[10:37] <Ash_again> thank you for your help
[10:38] <Ash_again> you have just found your self a fan
[11:37] <Kaleidoscope> Well folks, I've finally decided I'm gonna create a partition for Kubuntu, Any final words of wisdom before I do? =D
[11:47] <James147> Kaleidoscope: dont delete the wrong partition :)
[11:48] <Peace->  Kaleidoscope mmm   no James147 xD
[11:48] <Kaleidoscope> XD I won't
[11:50] <Peace-> Kaleidoscope: you was a gnome user?
[11:52] <Kaleidoscope> No, Always been a KDE user, but had been using wubi
[11:52] <Peace-> :S
[11:52] <Peace-> wubi
[11:52] <Peace-> 3 years i don't use windows :D
[11:54] <James147> Peace-: :D yeah, I havent used windows since my install decided it was no longer valid since that hardware hand changed slightly
[11:54] <James147> ^^ well, by slightly I mean It was on the same harddisk and everything else had changed
[11:54] <Peace-> James147: LOL
[11:55] <James147> Peace-: and once you wait a month it just blue screens :s ...
[11:55] <Peace-> James147: xD
[11:55] <Peace-> James147: i have kdenlive developer on facebook
[11:56] <James147> ^^ :)
[11:56] <Peace-> James147: it has take a picutre of a cocacola
[11:56] <Peace-> distributor
[11:56] <Peace-> that was using windows = blue screen of the dead
[11:56] <Peace-> death
[11:59]  * James147 wonders why qtcreator dosnt remember which desktop it was on when you restart :(
[12:00] <Peace-> i have to change my keyboard
[12:00] <Peace-> :(
[13:01] <uabn93> hello
[13:03] <Miika--> Hello
[13:03] <Miika--> When runnung sudo apt-get update I get this: http://www.pastie.org/1811300
[13:08] <Miika--> *running
[13:12] <topyli> Miika--: broken mirror maybe, try another
[13:12] <topyli> the estonian one is often faster anyway
[13:12] <jussi> Miika--: yeah, wait and try again. :=)
[13:13] <topyli> well yes, it likely won't be broken for long
[13:17] <vikash> does any one know any chat channel for friendship????
[13:25] <erictang> join #unbuntu-cn
[13:27] <kile> ;
[13:35] <jussi> Miika--: fyi, Im also getting that hash sum mismatch
[13:37] <Miika--> jussi: I changed source (?) and not getting it any more
[13:38] <jussi> Miika--: yeah, likely the .fi sources are slightly borked currently
[13:59] <sebastian__> #ubuntu
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:30] <kile> Hi Blues
[14:36] <BluesKaj> hi kile
[14:46] <kile> what brings you here, dude?
[15:00] <kile> hey guys, I updated my kubuntu sys and after that I had problems with the desktop enviroment it just got dark. Then I deleted the .kde directory and restarted, my surprise was that my Eclipse environment got totaly squared.Like kde from stone age. Does someone know how could I do to have my app themes like before? THanks
[15:03] <BluesKaj> kile, which kubuntu version ?
[15:10] <kile> 10.10 kde updated to 4.6

[15:25] <c-c-m> hello, does anybody know if it's possible to add unity to kubuntu and if it makes sense? thx
[15:27] <BluesKaj> c-c-m, only if you add ubuntu-desktop
[15:28] <c-c-m> hum... I don't think I want to do this :S
[15:28] <c-c-m> do you know if there's any alternative to it?
[15:28] <c-c-m> to unity, I mean
[15:28] <c-c-m> unity + zeitgeist
[15:29] <MaximLevitsky> c-c-m: trust me, you aren't missing unity
[15:29] <James147_> c-c-m: unity is just another desktop enviroment ^^ you can install it alongside kde in kubuntu just like you can isntall gnome or any other de along side kde in kubuntu or ubuntu or any other linux distro :)
[15:29] <c-c-m> what about zeitgeist?
[15:29] <MaximLevitsky> c-c-m: but in a sense sure you can use it in kubuntu
[15:29] <MaximLevitsky> its just a compiz plugin
[15:29] <c-c-m> I see
[15:29] <MaximLevitsky> but for a start it disables the cube
[15:29] <James147_> ^^ though I dont know if its been packaged for 10.10 ^^ if you install ubntu-desktop in 11.04 that should install unity alongside kde in kubuntu
[15:30] <MaximLevitsky> yep, in 10.10 unity is actually mutter aka gnome-shell plugin
[15:30] <MaximLevitsky> but trust me unity is the ****censored****  ***censored**** of ***censored****
[15:30] <BluesKaj> there are alot of complaints about unity ...personally i don'y see thje point of it ...just another pretty face :)
[15:31] <c-c-m> but I read that zeitgeist could be a great companion to nepomuk
[15:31] <c-c-m> well, interface is something to be taken seriously
[15:32] <c-c-m> yes, here's the link I was looking for: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/zeitgeist-coming-to-kde/
[16:15] <alvin> Hi. I'm having trouble printing. Short story: lpr from lprng does the job, while lpr from cups says: connection refused. The problem: kubuntu-desktop depends on cups  and cups conflicts with lprng :-( What to do?
[16:16] <alvin> I expected something along the line of etc-alternatives to handle this
[16:51] <sre-su> i cannot login via kdm, it just takes me back to the loginscreen hoever I can use startx to login succeufully
[16:52] <sre-su> I can stop kdm and do startx to get into user account but have to do it on every login
[16:54] <kishore> can the kubuntu natty installer setup btrfs subvolumes like partitions?
[16:54] <James147_> kishore: ask #ubuntu+1 for natty
[16:54] <kishore> James147_: ok thanks
[17:17] <Daskreech> sre-su: look in ~/.xsession-errors
[17:18] <James147_> Daskreech: nothing there :p
[17:18] <Daskreech> James147_: J,,?
[17:18] <Daskreech> Hmm
[17:18] <sre-su> Daskreech: cat ~/.xsession-errors | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[17:18] <sre-su> http://paste.ubuntu.com/596107/
[17:19] <sre-su> New thing now James147_
[17:20] <Daskreech> sre-su: seems like you have Dbus issue
[17:20] <sre-su> Dbus
[17:20] <sre-su> Hold on
[17:20] <BluesKaj> BBL... lunchtime
[17:20] <James147_> ^^ heh, there more in it then when i looked :p
[17:21] <sre-su> As far as I can remember I have made startup settings where it would auto-login and the screen would go to screensaver immediately after login
[17:22] <James147_> kdm settings would have been reset on reinstall ^^
[17:22] <sre-su> But those settings are gone from System Settings
[17:22] <sre-su> Yeah, indeed
[17:23] <factoryTales> Hi all. A question abt setting 3G network in kubuntu 10.04 for Huawei modem E367 hspa+.  Network manager  not allowing to configure for type Mobile Broadband. But in 10.10 it works.
[17:23] <sre-su> Moreover, I'm ran that command when logged in using  - stop kdm and startx, Daskreech
[17:23] <James147_> factoryTales: whats the question?
[17:24] <factoryTales> 3G network not getting configured in Kubuntu 10.04
[17:24] <James147_> factoryTales: why not use 10.10 if it works?
[17:26] <James147_> sre-su: how did the new user fair?
[17:27] <sre-su> James147_: I  cannot switch user, will have to logout and log back
[17:27] <factoryTales> Am already using 10.10 for that, wanted to know whats actually creating that prob
[17:28] <Daskreech> James147_: if he (assuming that sre-su is a he) logs in with KDM and it crashes out then checkes the file it's empty?
[17:28] <James147_> probally a bug in that version of networkmanager/ the networkmanager front end
[17:30] <sre-su> brb
[17:31] <James147_> Daskreech: yeah, that what I assume
[17:32] <James147_> Daskreech: though he had the problem with latest kde (4.6) before reinstalling and still has the issue (with the old /home)
[17:32] <James147_> (after reinstalling)
[17:33] <Daskreech> James147_: tried a KDE reset?
[17:33] <James147_> (assuming I understood correctly)
[17:33] <James147_> of user setttings? that the last thing I suggested, not sure if its been done yet
[17:34] <James147_> (well, suggested to test a new user to be exact)
[17:39] <sre-su> James147_: Daskreech: I tried logging with new user created. It doesn't give any issues when tyring to log in but doesn't log out completely - it stops on a black screen saying checking battery state.
[17:51] <Daskreech> sre-su: hmm sounds like some packages are problematic
[17:52] <Daskreech> you have kubuntu-desktop paxkage installed?
[17:55] <sre-su> Daskreech: kubuntu-desktop?
[17:55] <Daskreech> sre-su: yes
[17:55] <sre-su> Isn't that default for using Kubuntu?
[17:56] <sre-su> kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[17:56] <Daskreech> Ok good
[17:56] <Daskreech> You are logged in on the cli or in the GIU?
[17:56] <Daskreech> GUI?
[17:56] <sre-su> GUI now
[17:56] <sre-su> (uisng stop kdm and startx)
[17:57] <Daskreech> ok
[17:57] <James147_> sre-su: did you test a new user? (sorry, droped out for a min and might have missed something)
[17:57] <sre-su> You want me to log in on CLI and continue from irssi
[17:57] <Daskreech> can you logout then run mv ~/.kde ~/kdebkup then start kdm and login
[17:57] <sre-su> James147_: Yes, it works. Login works right but the logout from it doesn't work
[17:57] <sre-su> Daskreech: Ok
[17:58] <sre-su> Daskreech: What's ~/kdebkup ?
[17:59] <James147_> sre-su: a folder named ~/kdebkup ^^ that after you run that command will contains the contents of ~/.kde
[17:59] <sre-su> ok
[17:59] <sre-su> hold on
[17:59] <James147_> sre-su: its to reset kde settings without actually losing anything,
[18:03] <sre-su> Daskreech: I did mv ~/.kde ~/kebkup. sudo start kdm and got the login screen. Tried to login but failed in the similar way. On irssi now
[18:04] <Daskreech> sre-su: ok well you can mv ~/kdebkup ~/.kde then
[18:04] <sre-su> Daskreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/596121/
[18:04] <sre-su> xsession-errors now
[18:05] <Daskreech> sre-su: what's the session setto on KDM?
[18:05] <sre-su> restore previous session
[18:05] <sre-su> Was that paste useful?
[18:06] <sre-su> Or shoould I mv ~/kdebkup ~/.kde?
[18:07] <sre-su> James147_: (You missed this) I did mv ~/.kde ~/kebkup. sudo start kdm and got the login screen. Tried to login but failed in the similar way. On irssi now
[18:09] <sre-su> ??
[18:13] <sre-su> James147_: Daskreech: Hey! I lost my desktop settings rather KDE settings after moving back!
[18:13] <sre-su> mv ~/.kde ~/kdebkup
[18:13] <sre-su> mv ~/kdebkup ~/.kde
[18:13] <sre-su> And then I've desktop at default, Amarok as default...  I was logged in cli for the same user
[18:17] <Daskreech> sre-su: so you moved that and lost your settings?
[18:17] <sre-su> Yes
[18:17] <sre-su> It went back to default
[18:18] <sre-su> I want to get those settings back
[18:18] <sre-su> Is that possible, Daskreech??
[18:18] <Daskreech> sre-su: You logged in with startx ?
[18:18] <sre-su> Or what do you suggest now?
[18:18] <sre-su> Yes
[18:18] <James147_> sre-su: do you still have a ~/kdebkup folder? if not do you have a ~/.kde/kdebkup folder?
[18:19] <sre-su> James147_: Yes, i have ~/.kde/kdebkup folder
[18:19] <Daskreech> James147_: >_<
[18:19] <Daskreech> WHoops :-D
[18:19] <sre-su> Now what???
[18:20] <sre-su> I don't want to lose those settings
[18:20] <BluesKaj> hey James147_ , Daskreech
[18:20] <sre-su>
[18:22] <James147_> grr.. stupid connection
[18:22] <sre-su> Daskreech?
[18:22] <James147_> ^^ missed everything since my last statement again :(
[18:22] <Daskreech> sre-su: oh sorry thought that James147_ would walk you through that
[18:23] <James147_> i dont know ^^ i have missed half the conversation :p
[18:23] <sre-su> Daskreech: Atleast help me get the old settings back... Do I have to mv back to  ~/.kde/kdebkup?
[18:23] <Daskreech> mv ~/.kde/kdebkup && mv ~/.kde ~/kdefresh && mv ~/kdebkup ~/.kde
[18:24] <Daskreech> wait
[18:24] <sre-su> now?
[18:24] <Daskreech> mv ~/.kde/kdebkup ~ && mv ~/.kde ~/kdefresh && mv ~/kdebkup ~/.kde
[18:24] <Daskreech> That shoudl work
[18:24] <James147_> ok, all your settings should be in ~/.kde/kdebkup, i would move them back to ~/kdebkup with "mv ~/.kde/kdebkup ~/kdebkup"
[18:24] <sre-su> I'm GUI with the same user
[18:24] <sre-su> So, now in terminal when I'm logged in?
[18:24] <James147_> ^^ then to restore the setings do "cp -r ~/kdebkup ~/.kde"
[18:25] <sre-su> Ah, multiple suggestions
[18:25] <James147_> useing cp to restore is preferable as it means you ahve the orignal backups incase something goes wrong in restoration
[18:26]  * James147_ takes this time to note that mv behaves weird ^^ in that if the destination folder exists then the source files/folders are moved into it  rather then replaceing it
[18:27] <sre-su> So, which command should I actually follow?
[18:28] <James147_> sre-su: first "mv ~/.kde/kdebkup ~" to move the backup to its orignal location
[18:28] <sre-su> Now in GUI brought up startx?
[18:28] <sre-su> up by*
[18:28] <James147_> sre-su: generally best to logout of kde first :)
[18:28] <James147_> ^^ though that one wont matter
[18:29] <sre-su> Yeah, hold on. I'll login to irssi
[18:29] <James147_> ^^ but when restorin the settings you should logout first
[18:29] <sre-su> when in cli
[18:30] <sre-su> back
[18:31] <James147_> ok, have you moved the backup back to ~/kdebkup?
[18:31] <sre-su> No, please start back
[18:31] <sre-su> from that first command
[18:31] <James147_> ok, i assume ~/.kde/kdebkup still exists... "mv ~/.kde/kdebkup ~"
[18:32] <sre-su> ok
[18:32] <James147_> that should create a folder ~/kdebkup with the contents of your orignal ~/.kde folder
[18:32] <sre-su> yes
[18:32] <sre-su> wait
[18:33] <sre-su> Done
[18:33] <James147_> then mv the new .kde folder out the way with "mv ~/.kde ~/kdenew" -- taht will move .kde to kdenew... you should no longer have a .kde folder
[18:33] <sre-su> I can see kdebkup folder in ~
[18:34] <sre-su>  /kdenew?
[18:34] <James147_> ^^ the name dosnt matter as long as the folder dosnt already exist
[18:34] <Daskreech> sre-su: ~
[18:34] <sre-su> Ah, why creating /kdenew for /.kde?
[18:34] <Daskreech> ~/kdenew
[18:34] <sre-su> yeah
[18:34] <sre-su> Why creating /kdenew for /.kde?
[18:34] <James147_> (though /kdenew will cause a premission error since you cant write to root )
[18:34] <Daskreech> sre-su: You are backing up the new KDE directory ...just in case
[18:35] <James147_> sre-su: just in case :) dont want to lose anything till your sure
[18:36] <hsr> Yeah, sorry
[18:36] <James147_> ^^
[18:36] <Daskreech> hsr: Me too
[18:36] <Daskreech> :)
[18:37] <sre-su_> I didn't identify myself with NickServ that's why
[18:37] <sre-su_> We are moving it and not taking bakup
[18:38] <sre-su_> Does your future steps contain anything which will give .kde in /home?
[18:39] <Daskreech> sre-su_: yes the last step is mv ~/kdebkup ~/.kde
[18:39] <loc0> kde rocks
[18:39] <sre-su_> Yeah, i see that
[18:39] <Daskreech> and it's rock solid!
[18:39] <James147_> sre-su_: yes, the next step is to copy the orignal backup to ~/.kde "cp -r ~/kdebkup ~/.kde"  you can use mv, but cp to keep a copy incase something goes wrong
[18:39] <loc0> yeah
[18:39]  * Daskreech laughs maniacally
[18:40] <sre-su_> O.o
[18:40] <Daskreech> :)
[18:40] <Daskreech> sorry
[18:41] <sre-su_> Nah, I'm confused
[18:41] <loc0> hey i am fedora lover
[18:41] <sre-su_> We are moving .kde to kdebkup and later copying back kdebkup to .kde
[18:42] <sre-su_> We are moving .kde to kdenew* and later copying back kdebkup to .kde
[18:42] <sre-su_> Right?
[18:43] <James147_> sre-su_: overall the steps should have been, backup .kde, see if you can login, (this will likly create a .kde folder) then restore the backup by deleteing or moving the new .kde folder out the way and copying the backup back
[18:43] <sre-su_> Duh
[18:46] <sre-su> Daskreech: What after mv ~/.kde ~/kdenew ?
[18:48] <shadeslayer> sre-su: oh trying to login into a clean KDE desktop env?
[18:49] <factoryTales> Sorry popping question in bw. How to identify of any conflicts (iff any) while installing packages with kPackagekit
[18:51] <James147_> shadeslayer: orignal problem: kdm login loop (tring to login via kdm drops you back at kdm) - what I know so far: new user works, startx on the problem user also works... but I keep dropping connecing and missing 1/2 of it :p
[18:52] <James147_> shadeslayer: was in the steps of testing the problem user with a clean .kde
[18:52] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:52] <Daskreech> sre-su: mv ~/kdebkup ~/.kde
[18:52] <shadeslayer> James147_: which release btw?
[18:52] <sre-su_> Done
[18:53] <Daskreech> factoryTales: I normally just drop to the command line as soon as I see that happen
[18:53] <Daskreech> sre-su_: should be fine now
[18:53] <sre-su_> Daskreech: Yes, I'm using quassel now
[18:53] <sre-su_> Now, what about that login issue
[18:54] <Daskreech> sre-su_: what video card do you have?
[18:54] <James147_> sre-su_: what was the result of trying to login after you moved ~/.kde ?
[18:54] <James147_> sre-su: what was the result of trying to login after you moved ~/.kde ?
[18:54] <sre-su> James147_: sre-su_ (~quassel@unaffiliated/sre-su)
[18:55] <sre-su> James147_: Quassel
[18:55] <sre-su> GUI
[18:55] <sre-su> I got it restored, thanks!
[19:00] <James147_> sre-su: are you able to login via kdm yet?
[19:01] <sre-su> James147_: I followed the commands suggested. Got previous KDE settings restored. But i don't think that solved the initial problem
[19:05] <Daskreech> factoryTales: What is the conflict kpackagekit should be able to resolve very simple conflicts
[19:06] <Daskreech> sre-su: do you have a saved session when you login?
[19:06] <sre-su> Yep
[19:13] <Daskreech> sre-su: may want to start with a fresh session
[19:13] <sre-su> reinstalltion?
[19:18] <Daskreech> sre-su: No you can use the ksmserver to start a new session
[19:18] <Daskreech> !multiverse | factoryTales
[19:19] <brad_> anyone else having trouble with their wireless connection?
[19:20] <brad_> seems to start ok, but never gets an ip address..
[19:20] <brad_> knetwork_manager seems fine
[19:21] <brad_> an apparmor problem?
[19:24] <Daskreech> brad_: ah right I remember hearing about that when 10.10 came out. I think it was a security issue what version of KDE are you using?
[19:25] <brad_> hi Daskreech, version 4.6.2
[19:25] <Daskreech> That should be good enough >_>
[19:25] <brad_> hope so ;)
[19:26] <brad_> I can configure the wlan interface fine in knetwork_manager but it never seems to get an IP address (DHCP)
[19:27] <brad_> iwconfig shows the wlan0 infertace with no ESSID
[19:28] <brad_> yet in knetowrk_manager it seems to be config' properly
[19:28] <Daskreech> iwscan does what?
[19:28]  * BluesKaj curses networkmanager , both gnome and kde .. the only way I got wifi to work was with wpa_supplicant
[19:29] <brad_> iwscan not installed...
[19:29] <BluesKaj> and then it took 30 secs to connect thru the router
[19:30] <maco> brad_: if iwconfig doesnt show it, it means it hasnt associated (the handshake between wireless card and router failed)
[19:30] <maco> Daskreech: iwscan? or iwlist scan ?
[19:30] <Daskreech> maco: That one
[19:31] <Daskreech> I never use Wireless I don't know why I keep answering Wifi questions
[19:31] <brad_> iwlist scan yeilds
[19:31] <brad_> wlan0     No scan results
[19:32] <old> has anyone get kmail working with 10.10
[19:33] <maco> old: yep, works fine for me
[19:33] <old> I got unmet dependencies with 4 libraries
[19:33] <brad_> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan yeilds...
[19:33] <brad_> rad@brad-e1505:/etc/apparmor.d$ sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[19:33] <brad_> [sudo] password for brad:
[19:33] <brad_> wlan0     Scan completed :
[19:33] <brad_>           Cell 01 - Address: 00:16:01:59:B2:16
[19:33] <brad_>                     Channel:8
[19:33] <FloodBotK2> brad_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:34] <old> I just did dist-upgrade from 10.04 and kmail was not working
[19:35] <brad_> sorry, I flooded here
[19:35] <old> I tried to reinstall it but faced those unmet dependencies
[19:35] <brad_> pasted into paste.ubuntu.com
[19:45] <brad_> back later
[19:53] <Daskreech> Oh Did he give the paste.ubuntu.com link?
[19:53] <Pici> No
[19:55] <tuxn> can anyone help me install nvidia drivers on my kubuntu ?
[19:55] <tuxn> it gives me error "Check system utility ID"
[19:55] <Daskreech> tuxn: When you do what?
[19:57] <Daskreech> How are you installing the drivers? and which the free drivers or the ones from nvidia
[19:59] <tuxn> yes
[19:59] <tuxn> i have downloaded drivers from Nvidia website beta 270.18.run package
[20:03] <tuxn> while installing drivers from text mode it gives an error
[20:03] <tuxn> check system utility id
[20:03] <tuxn> what does this error mean?
[20:04] <BluesKaj> tuxn, why are you going to instll that driver , doesn't the recommended driver in kmenu/applications/system/additional drivers, work?
[20:05] <tuxn> Last time i did the same but then xorg started eating my CPU memory.. i found some articles on google as well which states default auto updated drivers are bogus.
[20:06] <BluesKaj> tuxn, well, my experience with the nvidia .run drivers are that they break X badly
[20:07] <tuxn> what do you mean by they break?
[20:09] <BluesKaj> tuxn, there are some issues with cpu loads on kde4.6 but it's mostly fixed if you run dist-upgrade which will fix most , the other is to disable the nepomuk indexer in system settings /autostart/service manager
[20:10] <tuxn> see i want to set my default resolution to 1280x1024 can you help me with that?
[20:10] <BluesKaj> it's a bug which unfortunately seems to be low priority
[20:10] <tuxn> everytime when i reboot my system it takes 1024x768 as default.
[20:16] <tuxn> what is system utility ID ?
[20:17] <Daskreech> tuxn: can you type the command id ?
[20:21] <20QAAOTOE> dose anyone know if kwin will support openGL rendering again on intel display drivers ?
[20:21] <Daskreech> tuxn: are you sure that it is ID could it be LD ?
[20:21] <yofel> 20QAAOTOE: being worked on
[20:22] <20QAAOTOE> yofel: thanks ... i'm holding my breath :)
[20:24] <tuxn> how to install bin util package
[20:25] <yofel> you mean binutils? open kpackagekit and install it or open Konsole and run sudo apt-get install binutils
[20:28] <Daskreech> tuxn: binutils my apologies
[20:28] <tuxn> yeah I got it in KpackageKit
[20:29] <tuxn> now installing.
[20:29] <ikonia> tuxn: binutils is already installed
[20:29] <ikonia> it's needed for your system to run
[20:29] <tuxn> ok.
[20:52] <wwwww> i am installing the plasma netbook remix, but my linux dont have kde already, its running on gnome, will it still work if i only istall the packages for the plasma-netbook?
[20:52] <wwwww> or i need the kde as well
[20:53] <BluesKaj> plasma is kde afaik wwwww
[20:53] <Daskreech> wwwww: They are the same thing
[20:54] <wwwww> ok thanks
[20:54] <wwwww> afaik?
[20:54] <DarthFrog> As Far As I Know
[20:54] <wwwww> :D
[20:55] <wwwww> the package its 330mb of isntall i think i am downloading the right stuff
[20:57] <James147_> wwwww: it will pull all the kde libs it needs to run so I would expect it to be quite big if you dont ahve kde isntalled
[20:59] <topyli> how do i bind krunner to the Menu key?
[20:59] <topyli> the shortcuts dialog doesn't accept my lovely Menu key :(
[21:00] <James147_> topyli: short answer: not easy, use the default alt+f1 ^^ or some other combanation
[21:01] <James147_> (or if you want to use the keyboard, use krunner... alt+f2 bydefault)
[21:01] <topyli> James147_: hrm. alt+Fwhatever is too hard to do. i now have it at alt+space, which is ok
[21:01] <Daskreech> topyli: you don't like alt+F2?
[21:01] <topyli> i just got used to Menu while on gnome :\
[21:01] <Daskreech> topyli: open the global shortcuts and edit the one for Kwin
[21:03] <topyli> Daskreech: hmm let me see
[21:05] <topyli> Daskreech: seems to be all window management commands
[21:06] <topyli> global shortcuts -> run command interface does let me change it, but Menu is not a valid key
[21:07] <topyli> meh, alt+space is easy enough i suppose, just need to unlearn my old instinct
[21:10] <izaki> Hi! I am installing the latest Kubuntu Beta (11.04 B2) and I am having problems on the last stage of the installation...
[21:10] <izaki> Grub installation crashes.
[21:10] <izaki> I chrooted on the /target and managed to make it boot..
[21:10] <izaki> But...
[21:11] <Daskreech> topyli: I think that it's a modifer key
[21:11] <izaki> Although in the Live-CD my 2cores work, suspend, etc, on the installed Kubuntu all is failing (only one core, noapic, nolapic)
[21:11] <izaki> Anyone with similar experience (I already reported the bug)
[21:11] <izaki> ??
[21:12] <topyli> Daskreech: normally it brings up the window menu or context menus, when relevant
[21:13] <Daskreech> izaki: Did you try any cheat codes?
[21:13] <topyli> in gnome it's valid for any other action too, which overrides the default. i though it was standard X stuff, but perhaps not then
[21:16] <izaki> Daskreech: noapic nolapic boots... But It freaks me out that everything works from the liveCD but not from the actual installation)
[21:17] <izaki> Daskreech: btw, it is a Macbook 5.2... It might be an EFI problem.
[21:17] <izaki> (There was one before)
[21:19] <Daskreech> !efi
[21:20] <Daskreech> Dumb robot
[21:20] <Daskreech> hi JontheEchidna
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> hello
[21:20] <Daskreech> izaki: I think the CD is a little less rigorious
[21:21] <Daskreech> Part of why it takes so long to boot is it is constantly testing things to see if they work and guessing as to what is right
[21:21] <Daskreech> A full install pretty much assumes that the computer is the same and boots up to that
[21:22] <Daskreech> AH!!! This site requires Google Chrome
[21:23] <Daskreech> I have Chromium! It's Google's Daddy.  What's going on.
[21:40] <5EXACI2XF> hi =)
[21:41] <5EXACI2XF> im sitiing on kubuntu for a week and im soo happy =)
[21:41] <LogicallyDashing> :D
[21:45] <ubuntucook> can someone help me figure out where the kdm themer config file is located in kubuntu 10.10? i installed a theme on my system and it can't load it and now i can't log in
[21:46] <James147_> ubuntucook: switch to a virtual terminal (alt+f1), "sudo stop kdm" to stop kdm if its running then "startx" to start a gui session as your current user
[21:47] <James147_> ^^ then configure kdm as you would, logout and start kdm again (sudo start kdm)
[21:47] <ubuntucook> James147_: i think i tried that and it didn't work, but i'll try it again. thanks :)
[21:52] <ubuntucook> James147_: k gonna relog and try that now, thanks :)
[22:02] <Daskreech> LogicallyDashing: Where do you turn it off?
[22:02] <Daskreech> 5EXACI2XF: :)
[22:12] <LogicallyDashing> Daskreech: In Global Keyboard Shortcuts, under Plasma Desktop Shell.
[22:12] <Daskreech> LogicallyDashing: And it doesn't stick?
[22:16] <piroman> hello
[22:16] <piroman> i have A PROBLEM WITH MY VIEDO CARD
[22:17] <piroman> the system tells me he does not find any proprietary drivers
[22:19] <James147_> piroman: stating which card you have might help
[22:21] <LogicallyDashing> Daskreech: it seems to stick until I shut down
[22:21] <piroman> James147_: ati 5650
[22:25] <piroman> i have an ati 5650 and kubuntu does not find any proprietary drivers pls help
[22:31] <Daskreech> piroman: do you need them?
[22:31] <Daskreech> !fglrx
[22:31] <Daskreech> LogicallyDashing: what happens if you log out and back in?
[22:34] <NiTr0> hi)
[22:44] <LogicallyDashing> Daskreech: holdon
[22:46] <LogicallyDashing> Daskreech: I logged out and in. The keybinding came back again.
[22:48] <Daskreech> LogicallyDashing: There are two places you can set that I wonder if the other one is set
[22:48] <LogicallyDashing> Daskreech: where is otherplace?
[22:50] <Daskreech> LogicallyDashing: On klipper itself check that
[22:51] <LogicallyDashing> Daskreech: I looked in Klipper's settings window, into Keyboard Shortcuts, and there's nothing there about activating Klipper itself
[22:51] <LogicallyDashing> (nor bringing up the menu)
[22:55] <LogicallyDashing> So yeah, I think the problem is in Plasma. That's the component of Global Keyboard Shortcuts that this shortcut is in.
[22:59] <blueuser> hi guys.....can anyone tell me the default password for Ubuntu 10.10 when it's ran using a flash drive? I've installed it on a 4GB flash drive.
[22:59] <LogicallyDashing> there isn't one
[23:00] <LogicallyDashing> you can rootify yourself by calling sudo with no password
[23:00] <blueuser> oh ok....thank you
[23:00] <blueuser> i will try that in a bit....thanks a lot
[23:00] <LogicallyDashing> yw
[23:10] <Daskreech> LogicallyDashing: try ask in #plasma ?
[23:10] <Daskreech> !root | blueuser
[23:12] <blueuser> got it :) Thanks a lot!
[23:41] <aar> Hello, what is a good substitute of katapult?
[23:44] <Daskreech> aar: krunner?
[23:44] <Daskreech> or quicksand