[00:04] <CosmiChaos> crimsun, the problem is not libesd0-alsa0 but missing version 0.2.41-6ubuntu1 of esound-common
[00:05] <crimsun> CosmiChaos: -common is an arch all package, so it's built on an i386 buildd
[00:06] <crimsun> CosmiChaos: and, unless you're playing silly ftp-master games, none of those debs are available
[00:06] <crimsun> CosmiChaos: they're all blocked on libesd-alsa0 being accepted from binary NEW by an archive admin
[00:06] <CosmiChaos> thats the actual dependency issue
[00:07] <crimsun> it's pretty clearly outlined at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue
[00:07] <crimsun> (just expand the esound i386 spinner)
[00:30] <bjsnider> dtchen has decided to be crimsun tonight
[00:30] <bjsnider> possibly because of the lunar cycle
[00:50] <DanaG> grr, apparmor keeps blocking firefox-3.6.
[01:09] <i_is_broke> ok i have had enough of the trolls and morons in the ubuntu channel, what is happening here today..anything new and exciting?
[01:09] <i_is_broke> and should i be scared to reboot my computer:D lmao
[01:10] <i_is_broke> i just did updates.
[01:10] <i_is_broke> yep there goes oldude
[01:11] <i_is_broke> lets see if it will bring up smoke and fire..:D
[01:11] <bjsnider> trolls and morons?
[01:12] <bjsnider> are there politicians in there again?
[01:12] <i_is_broke> oh yeah,lol might be.
[01:12] <burzki> MSers
[01:13] <i_is_broke> yeah bad.
[01:13] <i_is_broke> i cant say much i didnt know squat before i started, and heck i feel like i still dont.
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> DanaG: The latest Phonon updates have the new PA integration. Not sure how good it is since I don't have PA installed
[01:17] <i_is_broke> isnt phonon updated with PA?
[01:17] <bjsnider> microsoft advocates?
[01:18] <DanaG> hmm, what's the UI for the device-manager stuff supposed to look like?
[01:19] <bjsnider> you mean devicekit-disks?
[01:19] <bjsnider> or palimpsest i guess is the actual name
[01:43] <i_is_broke> <<< wonders what the chances are of lexmarks adding help to linux for there printers???
[01:44] <swoody> I don't think it's too likely unless the Linux market share takes a strong upswing :/
[01:44]  * swoody has a Lexmark printer collecting dust ;)
[01:44] <i_is_broke> yeah me too..:(
[01:45] <swoody> but I also have a portable HP printer that works beautifully :)
[01:45] <i_is_broke> thats ok, tax time going to get one of them new fangled contraptions...laser jet or something
[01:45] <swoody> I don't feel too bad about the Lexmark since it was free with my laptop purchase
[01:46] <i_is_broke> yeah the ol lady uses it on her computer...but just to print off instructions or directions..so it still collects dust.lol
[01:46] <swoody> haha
[01:46] <swoody> She uses Windows?
[01:46] <i_is_broke> i think its been used 5 times this year.
[01:46] <swoody> ah, gotcha
[01:47] <i_is_broke> yeah, i should of started her with linux..now she wont switch.
[01:47] <swoody> have you tried recently? I was really suprised when after setting up dual-boot on my fiancee's laptop. Two weeks into it, and she asked me to apt-get purge the Windows install :D
[01:48] <i_is_broke> lol, well she sees me on mine and says she likes all the cool stuff but she dont want to give up her windows..so i dont know...maybe when it crashes again..lmao ill install it and tell her to suffer.
[01:49] <swoody> haha, good plan :)
[01:49] <swoody> waiting for Windows to crash... that shouldn't take too long ;)
[01:50] <i_is_broke> yeah that is kind of what i figured.lol
[01:50] <swoody> Is there anything that she *needs* Windows for? Any apps or anything that are stickly Windows-only?
[01:51] <i_is_broke> na, she only checks mail, and plays online games on yearbook, or myspace or whatever they are
[01:51] <i_is_broke> if i can load java and flash she would be set.
[01:53] <swoody> nice, well if she does go to switch, that should make things easier :)
[01:53] <i_is_broke> yeah i wouldnt have to do much.
[01:53] <swoody> Does she already use Firefox, too?
[01:53] <i_is_broke> and i wouldnt have to worry about it crashing every other day either.
[01:53] <i_is_broke> yeah she uses firefox and some of the other apps already.
[01:54] <swoody> very nice :)
[01:54] <i_is_broke> well time for me to take my meds, and try and get some sleep got an early day ahead of me tomorrow, so you all have a good one and peace im out.
[01:54] <swoody> you should try the same line I used... "no defrag, no anti-virus, auto-updates... you can just *use* your computer" :)
[02:01] <bjsnider> a properly set up windows rig will not crash every day
[02:01] <bjsnider> lots of pc users under power their windows rigs
[02:01] <bjsnider> or buy cheap garbage clone machines
[02:02] <bjsnider> if they paid for the kind of hardware typically in mac computers, they'd have hardly any trouble with crashes
[02:05] <swoody> but if they used a 5yr old piece of junk, they would be over-powered for Linux ;)
[02:05] <swoody> lol
[02:05] <bjsnider> no amount of horsepower would ever be enough for me
[02:08] <swoody> too true, but I got rid of my nice desktop rig, and I'm only using a crappy-lappy at the moment
[02:08] <swoody> gone from a Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition to a 1.7GHz Celeron M :P
[02:10] <bjsnider> that has major sucking potential
[02:11] <swoody> indeed :/
[02:11] <swoody> and went from two 9800GX2's in SLI to integrated graphics :P
[02:12] <swoody> but tbh, this lappy is everything I need... internet, movies, music... that's about it for me.
[02:12] <swoody> that rig was just for Folding@Home really
[02:37] <bjsnider> swoody, what do you mean you got rid of it?
[02:38] <swoody> bjsnider: parted it out and sold it off
[02:38] <bjsnider> why?
[02:38] <swoody> bjsnider: needed some $$, and my 'spare' computer was the first thing to go
[02:59] <bjsnider> swoody, well, from my cold, dead hands, i say
[05:05] <sebsebseb> Rather good article and to do with Ubuntu releases including Lucid. http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2009/12/ubuntu-linux-gnome-and-xorg-th.html
[05:09] <sebsebseb> article/blog entry
[05:15] <burzki> looks interesting.  thx
[05:17] <sebsebseb> burzki: I haven't finnished reading this yet  http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/12/ubuntu-1004-will-bring-panel-overhaul-social-network-menu.ars
[05:19] <burzki> oh geez.  i'll bookmark it for later though .. ;-)
[05:20] <sebsebseb> burzki: i'll finnish reading now
[07:37] <komputes> For those who are interested in reviewing/confirming important bugs, here are my top bug nominations picks for Lucid
[07:41] <komputes> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/komputes/TopBugs
[08:49] <kazagistar> so, I have participated in the alphas a few times before, and have always plenty of fun (the masochistic but educational kind :P)... what is my chance of getting a usable system, given no particularly problematic hardware (with the possible exception of my nvidea graphics card) if I install Alpha 4?
[08:50] <kazagistar> er, I meant alpha 1, of course
[08:50] <kazagistar> (no clue why I hit the 4 key...)
[10:19] <soee> hi
[11:37] <aboSamoor> can I upgrade to LL alpha1, or I should wait till alpha 2 ?
[12:26] <soee> aboSamoor: u can but i do not reccomand that :)
[12:26] <soee> u can ask for other opinions to :)
[12:26] <soee> *s
[13:12] <hyperstream> Guys ive been getting a black screen for my Compaq Persario CQ61-314TU, in Karmic (LiveCD, with/without all the f6 options, and f4(safe graphics mode) and Alternate cd(Installs upon selecting from grub to boot karmic black screen), seems there is no solution?
[13:12] <hyperstream> what would have changed in karmic > Lucid to resolve this?
[13:14] <SwedeMike> hyperstream: what do you mean by "black screen" ?
[13:18] <hyperstream> let me find the post that is exactly what im having, and the same steps ive taken
[13:19] <hyperstream> its even almost exactly the same laptop possibly is: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1313857
[13:19] <hyperstream> SwedeMike, thats perfect explaination + the steps ive taken, except the safe graphics option posted by another user that seems to perhaps solved the Threat starter's issue, does not work for me.
[13:20] <SwedeMike> oki, so screen is completely black, nothing on it at all?
[13:21] <hyperstream> thats correct
[13:22] <SwedeMike> when does that happen? after grub?
[13:22] <hyperstream> it seems to boot up, but i cannot see anything, i cannot access any consoles/terminals
[13:23] <hyperstream> SwedeMike, this happeneds, on the live cd, as soon as you try to boot live cd or install ubuntu(from livecd menu), even with playing with f4(safe graphics) and all the f6 options(combo and single selections)
[13:24] <hyperstream> SwedeMike,  and i used the alternate cd to install, it installed and then when booting for the first time, i get grub->hit enter to boot into linux(fails on safe mode option too) i get a flood of text(if i take quite and splash off) then blackscreen, almost as if its loading the vga driver
[13:24] <hyperstream> SwedeMike, this is in karmic, however for some reason Lucid-Alpha works fine.
[13:25] <SwedeMike> so, edit the grub boot statement and remove "quiet splash" at the end
[13:25] <hyperstream> ive done that, i get the black screen
[13:25] <SwedeMike> press esc, press e, go down to the second row, press e again, go to the end of the line, delete quiet splash, press esc, then b
[13:26] <hyperstream> 'i get a flood of text(if i take quite and splash from command line/boot line)'
[13:26] <SwedeMike> what about alt-f1 then when that happens
[13:26] <hyperstream> is what i ment.
[13:26] <hyperstream> i cannot get any consoles or terminals, from f1 - f4 and nothing for f7
[13:27] <SwedeMike> but it works if you boot it in rescue mode (single user) ?
[13:27] <hyperstream> no
[13:27] <hyperstream> black screen again.
[13:27] <SwedeMike> are you SURE you have removed quiet and splash when this happens?
[13:27] <SwedeMike> because if you can get the text while the kernel is booting, I don't see why it would go black in rescue mode
[13:28] <hyperstream> yes. When i remove those two, i get a spam/flood of the first boot stage(im not sure what to call this stage) loads ata stuff and all sorts in a blink of a eye, then its as if it loads the vga driver and boom the screen turns off and then back on to a solid black screen
[13:28] <hyperstream> SwedeMike, no one in #ubuntu understands either
[13:29] <SwedeMike> take some kind of camera or something and make a movie of this and put on youtube or something, so we can see what's happening. First try booting into rescue mode without splash and quiet
[13:29] <hyperstream> once Lucid is installed, i might take a video(or try to) of me doing every possible suggested solution/possible solution, so people can see what im doing exactly
[13:29] <hyperstream> ahah you read my mind
[13:29] <hyperstream> ill see if the old fella has a cam i can use
[13:30] <SwedeMike> or a digital camera or something
[13:34] <hyperstream> SwedeMike, i will have a thing up on youtube tommorow
[13:34] <hyperstream> best i can do, will you be on tommorow night this timeish ?
[13:44] <SwedeMike> hyperstream: just post the url and people can look at it and if they have some idea, they'll reply.
[13:44] <SwedeMike> hyperstream: just hilight me when you post the url and I can take a look
[13:44] <hyperstream> SwedeMike, nps mate, thanks heaps
[13:44] <hyperstream> talk tommorow :)
[14:05] <Milos_SD> Hi
[14:06] <Milos_SD> I updated udev to lucid version (I have Karmic installed), and now I can't force the version to karmic one (it wants to delete almost all system packages)
[14:06] <Milos_SD> how can I do it safely?
[16:31] <Bookman> Is it possible to upgrade to 10.04 using the .iso image without burning a CD or USB stick?
[16:31] <Bookman> In other words, can I mount the .iso?
[16:31] <maco> Bookman: yes
[16:31] <maco> Bookman: the alternate iso, yes
[16:32] <maco> Bookman: then add it as an apt repository and upgrade from there
[16:32] <Bookman> Excellent.  I will d/l that to begin with
[16:32] <maco> if you have to download it anyway, why not just do-release-upgrade?
[16:33] <yotux> maco: that is what I was going to say
[16:33] <Bookman> maco, I'm on a wireless laptop and I don't have a spare wired connection.  I don't want to upgrade via wireless.  It has not worked out well in the past.
[16:33] <maco> ahh ok
[16:34] <Bookman> And for some reason my USB thumbdrive is not working, nor is my CD drive.
[16:47] <Bookman> Is there a Nautalis script to mount iso images?
[16:48] <Bookman> Ah, I found gmount
[17:04] <Bookman> When I add software sources....how do I do that?
[17:04] <Bookman> To point to my mounted drive?
[17:08] <Bookman> I have downloaded the altenate CD, mounted it via gmount, now how to I add it to my apt repository?
[17:09] <maco> Bookman: ah, crimsun says in "man sources.list" theres a file:/// way to do it
[17:09] <maco> im trying to read it onow
[17:09] <maco> *now
[17:10] <maco> oh ok thats easy enough
[17:10] <maco> deb file:/mountpoint/ubuntu lucid main
[17:11] <Bookman> So if my mount was in say home/keithclark/Lucid,  I would:
[17:11] <Bookman> deb file:/home/keithclark/Lucid lucid main?
[17:12] <maco> you still need the /ubuntu
[17:12] <Bookman> gotcha, thanks!
[17:12] <maco> and umm..hrmm im not sure how the cd's hierarchy looks...
[17:12] <Bookman> Let me check
[17:13] <Bookman> ubuntu sub directory is there
[17:13] <maco> ok
[17:13] <Bookman> Do I need to change the permissions on that mounted drive first?
[17:18] <Bookman> hmm, I add it but it does not show up on the list
[17:19] <maco> if you have read permissions i would assume thats enough...
[17:19] <maco> youll have to run apt-get update after adding to sources.list
[17:21] <Bookman> still no show
[17:23] <Bookman> Ok, I redid everything and now it shows up
[17:25] <Bookman> Lets see what happens now
[17:25] <lvh> Hello!
[17:26] <lvh> I know that the notify-osd wierdness is not a bug but a feature, but what's the recommended way of turning it off?
[17:26] <lvh> Pinning on luicd and then adding jaunty repos?
[17:30] <yofel> lvh: see last post on bug 482661
[17:35] <lvh> yofel, awesome thank you
[17:36] <yofel> you're welcome
[17:37] <lvh> yofel, I googled and found another bug, unfortunately
[17:40] <yofel> lvh: which one?
[17:40] <lvh> yofel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/495938
[17:40] <lvh> yofel, that basically says "it's not a bug, it's a debug flag" but doesn't say how to get rid of the debug flag
[17:41] <lvh> perhaps I should add a comment so that future googlers can figure out how to get rid of it?
[17:42]  * yofel puts his BugSquad hat on and marks that bug as a duplicate of the other one
[17:42] <om26er> lvh, sudo gedit /usr/share/osd-notify/org.somethinglinke notification open it and remove debug=1
[18:00] <jordanwb> I want to replace gdm with slim on 10.04 Alpha 1 but when I reboot it still starts gdm instead of slim
[18:01] <yofel> jordanwb: you adjusted /etc/X11/default-display-manager?
[18:02] <jordanwb> yofel: it says /etc/bin/slim
[18:02] <jordanwb> I'll reboot again and see what happens
[18:02] <yofel> etc?
[18:02] <yofel> you mean /usr/bin/slim
[18:02] <jordanwb> Yes
[18:02] <yofel> hm, odd
[18:03] <yofel> it shouldn't start gdm in that case
[18:04] <yofel> can you start slim by hand? ('service gdm stop' and then run slim)
[18:04] <jordanwb> well it does because upstart says that gdm terminated which is why I want to replace it with slim
[18:04] <yofel> in a tty
[18:04] <jordanwb> running "slim" works
[18:06] <yofel> then I'm out of ideas, a lot seems to have changed with upstart...
[18:07] <jordanwb> The file /etc/X11/default... is not executable. Should it be?
[18:08] <Bookman> Worked wonderful!  Upgraded and everything seems ok.
[18:10] <yofel> jordanwb: not here, but I use kdm and that has it's own init script, does slim have one?
[18:10] <jordanwb> It seems that usplash is till around on my machine even though I replaced it with plymouth
[18:10] <jordanwb> I believe slim has its own init
[18:11] <jordanwb> Yes it does
[18:26] <DanaG> hmm, plymouth refuses to run on my system.
[18:27] <jordanwb> I checked /etc/rc2.d and slim is enabled. I'm gonna restart and see what happens
[18:27] <jordanwb> gdm was killed bt TERM signal, don't know what's up with that
[18:27] <jordanwb> by TERM*
[18:27] <jordanwb> slim never gets around to loading
[18:28] <jordanwb> I see that usplash hasn't GTFO'd yet
[18:28] <bjsnider> DanaG, with what driver?
[18:28] <DanaG> uvesafb.
[18:29] <DanaG> By "refuses to run", I mean this:
[18:29] <DanaG> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239
[18:30] <bjsnider> DanaG, what's the exact mesage you're getting when it tries to load?
[18:30] <DanaG> "Unexpectedly disconnected from boot status daemon" is about the most I get.
[18:31] <DanaG> Or, when I previously tried plymouth during Jaunty development cycle and try plymouth=debug (or whatever the debug thingy was), I got "loading details.so" immediately.
[18:32] <bjsnider> what about "mountall can't load plymouth"
[18:32] <DanaG> I don't think I've seen that message.
[18:37] <jordanwb> gdm was killed even though it was never supposed to start, DRDY errors: haven't seen those in a long time
[18:37] <jordanwb> upstart never starts slim
[18:37] <jordanwb> hey it finially decided to start slim
[18:44] <jordanwb> I'm gonna restore my 9.04 backup
[18:53] <virtuald> halp my memory is full i can't run ps or swapon or anything
[18:53] <virtuald> can i get something dumped to my logs?
[19:36] <i_is_broke> isnt apport for help with bugs?
[19:37] <i_is_broke> and what path is the source.list in..i have to fix mine.
[19:37] <i_is_broke> have repeats of some.
[20:05] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[20:05] <_Groo_> are the beta 2 packages being made for lucid yet?
[20:09] <charlie-tca> no
[20:09] <charlie-tca> lucid is in alpha1
[20:10] <charlie-tca> It will not even go beta for 3 months
[20:11] <_Groo_> no no, sorry, packages for kde 4.4 beta 2!!! lol
[20:11] <_Groo_> i forgot the kde part %D
[20:12] <_Groo_> kdenlive akd koffice packages are still broken in alpha 1 till today.. where can i open bug reports?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> I believe they want them filed directly at the upstream bug trackers now for kde.
[20:14] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.kde.org/
[20:16] <charlie-tca> Unless it is Kubuntu specific, the it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/
[20:17] <BUGabundo> boas
[20:17] <BUGabundo> hey cha
[20:17] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca
[20:17] <_Groo_> charlie-tca: its kubuntu specific, they are dependecy bugs (classic package dep loop) not kde ones
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[20:17] <_Groo_> BUGabundo: portugues?
[20:18] <BUGabundo> hey _Groo_
[20:18] <BUGabundo> s
[20:18] <_Groo_> BUGabundo: tb mas vivo no brasil
[20:18] <BUGabundo> :)
[20:19] <_Groo_> BUGabundo: for the time being ayway
[20:19] <_Groo_> gonna post 2 bugs then, kdenlive and koffice-kde4 are still broken, old dependencies mixed with new ones
[20:31] <ubuntu> Hi .. need some help ... I just tried upgrading to lucid lynx alpha .. and my computer doesn't boot anymore ...
[20:32] <ubuntu> anyone here?
[20:36] <BUGabundo> I guess he got scared
[20:36] <BUGabundo> bye
[20:36] <BUGabundo> :p
[20:44] <arand> Hmm, seems like the "lucid is alpha, break away" is gone from topic...
[20:44] <_Groo_> if they dont know what to do dont upgrade to an unstable alpha i always say :D
[20:50] <sebsebseb> hi
[20:51] <BUGabundo> hey sebsebseb
[20:51] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: hey
[20:53] <charlie-tca> scared is good with lucid, isn't it?
[20:58] <_Groo_> pls see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice2/+bug/498608
[21:02] <_Groo_> also see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenlive/+bug/498612
[22:48] <oldude67> is it just with the newer ati video cards that is a problem with ubuntu? or are the older cards an issue too?
[22:50] <oldude67> the reason im asking is i want to try and install one on a system and see how it is done, so that i can know the issues with them..and what it takes to get them to work.
[23:00] <bjsnider> oldude67, what problems. what distro.
[23:01] <oldude67> not a problem i just wanted to learn, never had to install one and thought it might be something that i could learn from
[23:01] <bjsnider> well, old cards don't work with fglrx anymore so when you install ubuntu, the card is installed too
[23:02] <bjsnider> new cards you have the option of at least 3 drivers: radeon, radeonhd, and fglrx
[23:02] <bjsnider> each have strengths and weaknesses
[23:02] <DanaG> I'd count "radeonhd" out, nowadays.  It's old hat.
[23:02] <oldude67> ok, and what is considered old?
[23:02] <bjsnider> DanaG probably knows more at this point in time
[23:02] <DanaG> I mean, radeon has been actively under development; radeonhd, not so much.
[23:03] <bjsnider> i'd say anything pre radeon hd is old
[23:03] <DanaG> I'm talking driver, not card.
[23:03] <DanaG> "radeonhd" driver is old.
[23:03] <DanaG> That was Novell's thing.
[23:03] <bjsnider> well, i'm sure it hasn't been developed as hard since novell fired luc whatshisname from the team
[23:03] <DanaG> "Radeon" has good stability, but lacks good power management, and OpenGL 3.  fglrx is less stable (and won't work with Lucid X server!), but has power management and now OpenGL 3.2.
[23:04] <DanaG> So for right now, radeon is really the only choice.
[23:04] <DanaG> (unless you do the same hideously hack I did: pin packages to keep Karmic X server on Lucid system.)
[23:04] <DanaG> hideous hack.
[23:04] <bjsnider> fglrx prpobably won't support the lucid x server until april some time if it follows recent history
[23:05] <bjsnider> usualy they toss in support right at the end of an ubuntu cycle
[23:05] <bjsnider> ati stuff is really a friggin nightmare i would think
[23:05] <oldude67> well i know that ati has a big difference then any video i have currently installed so i thought i would try and see if i could learn from installing one.
[23:05] <bjsnider> i think the only thing you'd learn is that you hate ati stuff
[23:06] <DanaG> Wait, is this desktop, or laptop?
[23:06] <oldude67> well i have already heard that one..lol
[23:06] <DanaG> The open-source driver has gotten pretty good, nowadays.
[23:06] <DanaG> Even supports Kernel-Modesetting.
[23:07] <DanaG> Power usage is the only blocker left for me; I do any gaming on Windows, anyway.
[23:08] <oldude67> ah i have never been much of a gamer, most i play is solitary.lol
[23:09] <DanaG> Sounds like "radeon" open driver should be okay, then.
[23:09] <oldude67> ok ill check it and let you know how it goes.probably be sometime tomorrow tho as i have a couple of other projects to do in front of it.
[23:16] <DanaG> hmm, given the same approximate settings, kwin is way slower than compiz.
[23:23] <bjsnider> DanaG, isn't that kind of thing subjective?
[23:23] <DanaG> No, not when kwin is drawing the desktop at 30 fps, and compiz at 60.
[23:24] <DanaG> And when rotating the cube, kwin goes at like 5 fps with opaque cube; compiz goes to 30 with transparent cube.
[23:26] <oldude67> oh i would like to thank everyone that has helped me in the past and will help me in the future..still learning things as i go and the info is always welcomed. anyway thanks.
[23:26] <bjsnider> tell them in #kubuntu-devel
[23:27] <oldude67> bjsnider, was that directed to me or DanaG ?
[23:27] <bjsnider> DanaG
[23:28] <oldude67> ok
[23:31] <_Groo_> DanaG: are you using xrender or opengl? vsync enabled? did you change the settings in main config window to fast or really fast? or is it in normal speed?
[23:31] <DanaG> speed is "normal"
[23:32] <_Groo_> DanaG: try putting it to the fastest and try again, and disable vsync
[23:32] <arielCo> Hello everyone... why am I getting a "distribution upgrade" even though I'm running Karmic? Shouldn't update-manager wait for Lucid to be released?
[23:32] <bjsnider> wouldn't vsinc merely hold it down to 60 fps?
[23:32] <DanaG> But animation duration and FPS should be independent.  yup, it seems to be.
[23:32] <DanaG> well, now kwin desktop is 45 fps.
[23:33] <DanaG> Magic lamp animation dips down to 25.
[23:33] <_Groo_> DanaG: nvidia setup?
[23:33] <DanaG> nope, ATI (fglrx and karmic's xorg).
[23:34] <DanaG> hmm, I'll have to try it on the OSS driver some time on a different system, for comparison.
[23:34] <_Groo_> DanaG: beta 1 is broken with radeon, at least on my card
[23:34] <DanaG> I also keep getting things like plasma randomly crashing... likely due to X server library differences.
[23:35] <DanaG> Latest kwin updates unbroke kwin for me.
[23:35] <_Groo_> DanaG: really, which card?
[23:36] <_Groo_> DanaG: in 4.4 beta 1? kubuntu lucid?
[23:36] <DanaG> Version: 4:4.3.80-0ubuntu4
[23:38] <_Groo_> DanaG: nope, still broken here
[23:38] <DanaG> weird.
[23:38] <_Groo_> DanaG: unfortunatelly.. :( i cant live without tab windows anymore lol
[23:38] <DanaG> try checking "disable functionality checks"
[23:39] <DanaG> interesting... the fps graph thing itself.. creates significant gpu usage.
[23:40] <_Groo_> yeah i did, still broken
[23:40] <DanaG> dang,
[23:40] <_Groo_> DanaG: oh, try to put texture filter to nearest to speed up stuff
[23:41] <DanaG> hmm, guess it still looks pretty good like that.
[23:41] <DanaG> hmm, now I just need to tweak duration.
[23:41] <DanaG> aah.
[23:41] <DanaG> I had it at Trilinear.
[23:42] <_Groo_> DanaG: which explains the speed drop, if you put compiz with best display its pretty slow and memory hog
[23:42] <DanaG> I had compiz at best filter also, though.
[23:43] <DanaG> Perhaps compiz's best is not as expensive as kwin's best.
[23:43] <_Groo_> DanaG: my experience shows me kde 3d is actually faster and less memory hog then compiz
[23:43] <_Groo_> DanaG: compiz dont have trilinear, only bilinear, if you want to test trilinear you have to activate the hmm plugin... whats the name..
[23:43] <DanaG> hmm, how do you switch window-tabs?
[23:44] <DanaG> bicubic, do you mean?
[23:44] <_Groo_> DanaG: yeah
[23:44] <DanaG> hmm, kwin on bilinear is fast enough.  thanks for the tips.
[23:44] <_Groo_> DanaG: you welcome, what card do you have?
[23:44] <DanaG> Mobility HD3650.
[23:45] <sebsebseb> arielCo: That's probably not for Lucid.
[23:45] <DanaG> Using fglrx until Radeon gets KMS power management.
[23:45] <arielCo> sebsebseb: okay. So, why a "distro" upgrade now?
[23:45] <sebsebseb> arielCo: I have seen that kind of thing before...
[23:45] <sebsebseb> arielCo: Does it say that it will upgrade to Lucid?  If not then, I guess it won't.
[23:46] <arielCo> sebsebseb: there was a partial upgrade before, and now this one
[23:46] <sebsebseb> arielCo: you used the graphical update manager yeah?
[23:46] <_Groo_> DanaG: ahhh thats why you can use kwin 3d ¬¬ its broken for radeon!
[23:46] <sebsebseb> arielCo: when a new release is available for it, it will say so, and there will be a button and a message, offering the upgrade
[23:47] <sebsebseb> arielCo: and saying a new version is available
[23:47] <sebsebseb> arielCo: also you didn't change any settings for which distro versions are shown right?
[23:47] <arielCo> sebsebseb: yup, that's what I remember coming from Jaunty. This one popped on its own, and wants to change nvidia drivers, firefox, mplayer ...
[23:48] <arielCo> sebsebseb: I think not
[23:48] <sebsebseb> arielCo: ok should be ok to run it then,  I think
[23:48] <_Groo_> arielCo: partial upgrades as you called it are normal, normally for bugfixing, DISTRO upgrades are usually done ever 6 months in (k/x)ubuntu and they update the entire OS, they are announced and NEVER enforced into users
[23:48] <DanaG> If gnome-shell is going to go the way I think it's going... I'm going KDE.  KDE 4.4 is pretty dang nice.
[23:48] <DanaG> Even better on a high-DPI display; then the hugeness of the Oxygen style no longer wastes significant space.
[23:49]  * _Groo_ wants is kwin 3d back :(
[23:49] <DanaG> hmm, you could get the source of kwin, and find the checks that are failing?
[23:50] <bjsnider> arielCo, are you using a ppa repo?
[23:50] <arielCo> _Groo_: yes, what got me wondering is that the window caption is "Distribution Upgrade" but it's a bit early for Lucid
[23:51] <arielCo> bjsnider: a few, for applications. Why?
[23:51] <bjsnider> which ones
[23:51] <_Groo_> arielCo: what version are you now? karmic?
[23:52] <_Groo_> DanaG: i know its fixed for beta 2...
[23:52] <arielCo> _Groo_: I'm running Karmic
[23:52] <_Groo_> arielCo: strange
[23:52] <sebsebseb> So what's this about Gnome packages in the topic?
[23:52] <arielCo> bjsnider: VLC, Nvidia drivers, Deluge, and a silly thing named Ubuntu Tweak
[23:53] <bjsnider> arielCo, i meant which ppas
[23:53] <arielCo> wait - I'll pastebin my sources
[23:54] <sebsebseb> GNOME packages will block until libesd-alsa0 is binary NEWed and published. Hang tight.
[23:54] <DanaG> heh, tabbed windows with tabs inside... interesting.
[23:55] <sebsebseb> DanaG: For what?
[23:55] <DanaG> pidgin.  I have a window with (#cplug and #ubuntu+1) on one tab, and (#ati and #radeon) in the other.
[23:56] <_Groo_> DanaG: its the feature that got me sold for 4.4 :) i missed them since blackbox
[23:56] <sebsebseb> DanaG: uhmm cplug?  the brackets stuff?
[23:56] <DanaG> brackets?
[23:56] <DanaG> no, Cal Poly Linux Users Group.
[23:56] <sebsebseb> ah ha ok
[23:56] <sebsebseb> you were on about channels
[23:57] <_Groo_> DanaG: since it works for everything (kwin takes care of that), i usually have chromium, akregator, kmail and konversation in one maximized window
[23:57] <arielCo> sebsebseb: http://pastebin.com/m76c05ec6
[23:57] <bjsnider> DanaG, how many people are in that group?
[23:58] <DanaG> The group varies in size from year to year and quarter to quarter, but it's at least a "handful".
[23:58] <sebsebseb> On the subject of browsers, but off topic really for here,  a message from Microsoft saying about browsers that are available as alternatives to Internet Explorer is coming.
[23:58] <bjsnider> arielCo, before you upgrade, refresh again because i just published a new mplayer that fixes that annoying fontconfig issue
[23:59] <sebsebseb> as a Windows update
[23:59] <bjsnider> DanaG, i'll bet you are that group's Tyler Durden
[23:59] <_Groo_> btw are you guys going to publish ffmpeg-mt, mplayer/mencoder-mt for lucid too?
[23:59] <DanaG> Can't say I know who that is.
[23:59] <sebsebseb> _Groo_: well that could help quite a bit with chromieum/chrome market share, and Firefox etc, so :)


[08:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Get Out of the Doghouse Day! :-D
[13:53] <hunzikes> hi all. I have recently upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04. After this update, my contacts have vanished from Evolution, and I suspect it might be related to the U1 services being discontinued. Can anyone help me recover them?


[09:45] <Tonio-> hi everyone
[09:46] <Tonio-> Riddell: after many tests, I don't suggest you to include wlassistant....
[09:46] <Tonio-> it has several bugs in fact....
[09:46] <Tonio-> I will report that to the upstream, but when corrected, it will be rocking ;)
[09:51] <\sh> because yast is much more broken...so better just a handy vi and a conf file ,-=)
[09:52] <Tonio-> \sh: yep but I mean wlassistant, kdenetworkconf are working fine on other distro......
[09:53] <Tonio-> I dunno what is specific on that point on ubuntu.....
[09:53] <Tonio-> kdenetworkconf has many bugs on ubuntu you will not find on other distros...
[09:54] <Tonio-> I don't hav problems with conf files of course, but I can't explain how to connect to a wifi network to my girlfriend with the shell ^_^
[10:01] <\sh> Tonio-: depends what you wanna do..if wlan* is using /etc/network/interfaces everything should be fine...
[10:09] <Tonio-> rahhhhhhhhhhh damned acpi.........
[10:27] <amu> moin'
[11:02] <\sh> chmj: ping
[11:16] <chmj> pong
[11:17] <chmj> \sh: pong
[02:11] <JRe> it's right that kdenetworkconf is pretty unstable
[02:12] <Riddell> JRe: what's unstable with it?
[02:12] <JRe> i don't when i use it it often mess my /etc/network/interfaces file
[02:13] <JRe> tough it detect well all the interfaces
[02:14] <JRe> i also have a geometry error I can't see the Ok Apply, .. buttons
[02:14] <JRe> even in fullscreen mode
[02:14] <JRe> (1024*768)
[02:14] <JRe> (with system settings)
[02:15] <JRe> (well that's more a systemsettings bug because it does not do it with kcontrol)
[02:17] <JRe> and there is also the bug with kdesu
[02:18] <Tm_T> hmh
[02:18] <JRe> Riddell: BTW i have packaged libvisual to have the visualization enabled in amarok
[02:18] <Tm_T> JRe: oh good :)
[02:18] <hunger> K3B ignores the settings in /etc/default/cdrecord.
[02:18] <Tm_T> wellwellwell
[02:18] <hunger> and it tries to use the wrong device to burn for me.
[02:18] <JRe> Tm_T: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/apt/sources
[02:19] <JRe> Tm_T: (or directly http://jr.falleri.free.fr/apt/breezy64 if you have an amd64)
[02:19] <Tm_T> JRe: I compiled from sources ;)
[02:19] <JRe> :)
[02:20] <Tm_T> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109386
[02:20] <JRe> Tm_T: it's pretty nice and it seems to have good plugins
[02:20] <Tm_T> JRe: yup
[02:20] <Tm_T> although I don't really use them :p
[02:20] <Tonio-> Riddell: there was a problem in the svg files of adept icons....
[02:20] <JRe> Tm_T: but unfortunaly I don't manage to compile libvisual-plugins to have the GForce port :(
[02:20] <Tm_T> :/
[02:20] <Tm_T> btw I can't get my nvidia working
[02:21] <Tonio-> Riddell: strangely some transparency effects in inkscape are not compatible with ksvg.....
[02:21] <Tm_T> so I use nv in my Xorg
[02:21] <JRe> Tm_T: there is a strange error with the configure script, it does not detect properly the X11 headers don't know why
[02:21] <Tonio-> Riddell: I modified them with karbon and they are now okay, may I send them to you by mail ???
[02:22] <JRe> everyone can take a look to museeq too it's a QT soulseek client
[02:22] <JRe> (packaged in http://jr.falleri.free.fr/apt/sources)
[02:23] <Riddell> Tonio-: inkscape supporting stuff that ksvg1 doesn't isn't strange
[02:24] <Riddell> Tonio-: do they modified ones look any different?
[02:24] <JRe> Tm_T: if you want to try to compile libvisual-plugins go there; http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=106542&package_id=119413&release_id=303738
[02:24] <Riddell> JRe: you can upload to revu
[02:24] <JRe> Riddell: libvisual ?
[02:25] <Riddell> JRe: yes
[02:25] <JRe> Riddell: ok
[02:26] <Tm_T> will this patch be included to kubuntu packages? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109386
[02:27] <Riddell> Tm_T: not for breezy
[02:27] <hunger> k3bsetup does show an empty window only:-(
[02:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok
[02:28] <JRe> anyone else than me has trouble when burning audio cd's as non-root ?
[02:28] <Tm_T> Riddell: what's situation with kde packages & kubuntu? we'll get em on time?
[02:28] <JRe> I can do it but after the sound is ugly
[02:28] <Tonio-> Riddell: original ones don't display transparency when set as an icon in klauncher
[02:28] <Tonio-> or when displayed as a preview with kde 3.4.2
[02:28] <Tonio-> let me just a minute to show you.....
[02:29] <JRe> there is also a problem with the normalize-audio package and k3b it should create a simlink in /usr/bin called normalize and pointing to normalize-audio
[02:31] <JRe> Riddell: should i take look to the normalize-audio package ?
[02:32] <JRe> Riddell: (or should i patch the k3b source code) ?
[02:33] <Riddell> 2004-06-26: The package and binary names had to be changed due to namespace
[02:34] <Riddell> conflicts. The binary normalize was renamed to normalize-audio so that it
[02:34] <Riddell> keeps orthogonal with its frontend names (normalize-ogg and normalize-mp3)
[02:34] <Riddell> while not using a generic name anymore.
[02:34] <Riddell> JRe: patch k3b if it's hard coded to run normalise
[02:34] <Riddell> See more information about it here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=250390
[02:34] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/adept_problem.png
[02:34] <JRe> Riddell: yes changing the program name from normalze to normalzee-audio in k3b source
[02:34] <Riddell> The requested URL /temp/adept_problem.png was not found on this server.
[02:34] <Tonio-> Riddell: here it is, you can open the file finely, but preview has this bug....
[02:35] <Tonio-> Riddell: and adding adept in klauncher applet causes the same bug
[02:35] <Riddell> Tonio-: what is klauncher applet?
[02:35] <Tonio-> in english it might be "application launcher" I assume
[02:36] <Riddell> where is this applet?
[02:36] <Tonio-> let me show you....
[02:37] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture6.png -> look on the right
[02:37] <Tonio-> Riddell: problem with size and transparency......
[02:37] <Tonio-> don't know the english term for this applet
[02:38] <hunger> K3B does not burn CDs in my setup. It asks cdrecord to use the wrong device.
[02:39] <hunger> It tries to burn to 1,0,0 (which is the device cdrecord -scanbus thinks it is), thus resulting in cdrecord trying to write to /dev/sg0 which is associated with my HD... Lucky me that I do not have permission to write there:-)
[02:39] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/adept_problem.png -> upload is finished, you can look at the bug in the preview
[02:40] <hunger> It should use /dev/sg1... and it does if I ask cdrecord to use dev=/dev/scd0
[02:40] <Tonio-> Riddell: he image is perfect with inkscape, but has this probem..... sounds strange !
[02:41] <hunger> smurf: I can't... no net on the ubuntu box.
[02:41] <Tm_T> Tonio-: yu, I found same problem couple months ago
[02:41] <JRe> Riddell: ok i have taken a look in k3b ands it's hardcoded. I'll patch it and send it to you.
[02:42] <Tonio-> Tm_T: I had to recreate the transparency effects with karbon, and then everything is perfect
[02:42] <Tm_T> oh
[02:42] <hunger> smurf: The CDRW is scsi1, chan 0, id 0, lun 0 in /scsi (HD is scsi0, chan 0, id 0, lun 0) (both are SATA drives).
[02:42] <Tonio-> Tm_T: yep, that's why I assume a inkscape bug
[02:42] <hunger> smurf: sg0 is 21,0 (mayor,minor), sg1 is 21,1
[02:42] <Riddell> hunger: smurf is on #ubuntu-devel
[02:43] <hunger> Riddell: Sorry:-)
[02:43] <Tonio-> Tm_T: that sounds unbeleivable with an xml type document, but that's it.....
[02:43] <Tm_T> Tonio-: yes, gimp and ksvg & co does show it similar, but inkscape not
[02:43] <Tonio-> exactly, Riddell may I send you the corrected version built with karbon ?
[02:43] <Riddell> Tonio-: ok
[02:43] <Tonio-> I will certainly post a bug to inkscape for this......
[02:44] <Riddell> Tonio-: I suspect it's a ksvg problem
[02:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: why then only inkscape show it "correctly" ?
[02:44] <Riddell> or even a KDE SVG preview problem
[02:45] <Riddell> Tm_T: inkscape doesn't use librsvg
[02:45] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:45] <Tonio-> Riddell: when I open the ile with karbon, transparency is lost also.............
[02:45] <Tonio-> is karbon isung parts of ksvg ?
[02:45] <Riddell> karbon uses ksvg1 yes
[02:45] <Tonio-> Riddell: that's why ;)
[02:45] <Tonio-> http://www.planetemu.net/temp/adept_manager.svgz
[02:46] <Tonio-> http://www.planetemu.net/temp/adept_updater.svgz
[02:46] <Tonio-> these ones are correct in both karbon, inkscape, konqueror and everything ;)
[02:46] <Tm_T> heh
[02:50] <Riddell> Tonio-: I can't find that kicker applet, and I don't see why it would be using SVG icons
[02:51] <Tonio-> Riddell: it is......... when I changed the svg Icon everything whent fine....
[02:53] <Riddell> Tonio-: oh I believe you, I just don't understand why it's doing that :)
[02:54] <Tonio-> I don't know that
[02:55] <Tonio-> but I know that those corrected svg's will correct all the problems
[02:55] <Tonio-> also original svg's had a problem with the default size, corrected today ;)
[02:55] <Tonio-> Riddell: I'm just doing a last modification on the cd
[02:55] <Tonio-> (not same double curve on both
[02:58] <Tonio-> Riddell: with this applet you can set the icon size, so I assume it is using svg because of this.... strange that you don't find it, it is in kde for years ;)
[02:59] <Riddell> there's the Quick Launcher applet but that doesn't let you set the icons size
[03:00] <Riddell> as far as I can see
[03:11] <Tonio-> if you right click on the little arrow
[03:11] <Tonio-> in the menus you have 5 things
[03:12] <Tonio-> Riddell: add application, remove application, set icon size, keep space, lock
[03:12] <Tonio-> don't you see this ?
[03:13] <Riddell> yes
[03:14] <Riddell> that's shocking usability
[03:14] <Tonio-> so you can set the icon size
[03:14] <Riddell> set to 32 and it still doesn't use SVG
[03:14] <Tonio-> that's NICE to use :)
[03:14] <Tonio-> ah ????????? strange............
[03:14] <Riddell> Tonio-: you sure you have the PNGs installed?
[03:14] <Tonio-> I have the package installed ;)
[03:15] <Tonio-> and yes I have the png's because icons are correct
[03:15] <Riddell> Tonio-: the package with the adept icon was only uploaded yesterday
[03:15] <Tonio-> if I add adept directly to the task bar, no problem
[03:15] <Tonio-> yep I updated this morning
[03:15] <Tonio-> and I then saw those problems....
[03:16] <Tonio-> and I have the png's installed.........
[03:16] <Tonio-> Riddell: anyway, do you get the icon for both updater and manager in the K menu ? I don't get it for updater
[03:18] <Riddell> err yeah, it's installed to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/adept/updater.png
[03:25] <Tonio-> Riddell: just send you an email with the two corrected svg files (just did a little correction on the CD)
[03:27] <Tonio-> Riddell: just tests all resolution and the launcher uses svg in all cases for me.... It's way to work is strange ;)
[03:28] <Tonio-> I just tested all resolutions <- that's better
[04:30] <Riddell> hi jjesse
[04:33] <jjesse> hello Riddell
[04:33] <jjesse> did you get my link?
[04:34] <Riddell> jjesse: yes thanks
[04:34] <jjesse> cool no problem
[04:46] <jjesse> just saw it
[04:48] <StR> Hi all!
[04:48] <StR> I finaly saw the usplash!
[04:49] <Riddell> if anyone wants to sort out the colour palette in usplash that would be great
[04:50] <StR> Riddell: yes...  well, I don't know if we should stay with usplash or change to splashy
[04:50] <StR> (we as in we-kubuntu)
[04:50] <Riddell> we'll use usplash
[04:50] <StR> lol....
[04:51] <Tonio-> Riddell: concerning the coulour palette in usplash, would you like something more visible ?
[04:51] <StR> ok, i see you are not changing your mind
[04:51] <StR> something more blue, to stay with kde colors
[04:51] <Riddell> Tonio-: the colours should be brighter, currently the bottom half of the text is invisible on a dark monitor
[04:51] <Tonio-> yep
[04:51] <Tonio-> I can have a look if you want no pb
[04:52] <Riddell> Tonio-: but more importantly the colours needs to be in the correct order for the "ok"s and scrolar to show up
[04:52] <Riddell> "ok"s and scrollbar
[04:52] <Tonio-> Riddell: is there a file containing the color sheme ?
[04:52] <Riddell> where is my typing today?
[04:52] <Tonio-> same for me, my keyboard is about to die.....
[04:52] <Riddell> #define BACKGROUND_COLOUR 0
[04:52] <Riddell> #define PROGRESSBAR_COLOUR 1
[04:52] <Riddell> #define TEXT_BACKGROUND 0
[04:52] <Riddell> #define TEXT_FOREGROUND 2
[04:52] <Riddell> #define RED 13
[04:53] <Riddell> so 0 should be black, 1 something much brighter, RED is the failed noticed which are fine as they are, TEXT BACKGROUND is probably "ok" which needs to be brighter
[04:53] <Riddell> so swap around the colours in the palette for that
[04:53] <Tonio-> okay
[04:54] <Tonio-> where is the actual file ?
[04:54] <Riddell> StR: I don't know the technical advantages of usplash over splashy but that's what ubuntu has so that's what kubuntu will use
[04:54] <Riddell> Tonio-: in kubuntu-default-settings
[04:54] <Riddell> source package
[04:54] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay I'll take it
[04:54] <Riddell> and kubuntu-artwork-usplash binary has the .so
[04:54] <Tonio-> have a look and prepare something for you toonigh
[04:55] <Riddell> Tonio-: cool
[04:55] <Tonio-> Riddell: no pb ;)
[04:55] <Riddell> jjesse: there's a bunch of stuff needs done on these release notes
[04:55] <Tonio-> Riddell:  did you get my mail with the final svg files ?
[04:55] <jjesse> Riddell: i would love to change them
[04:55] <Riddell> Tonio-: yes, SVG files are in SVN
[04:55] <Tonio-> Riddell: k
[04:55] <Riddell> jjesse: you're just waiting for me to tell you what needs changed?
[04:57] <jjesse> i guess i don't really now everything that needs to be changed, i took a lot of it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap
[04:58] <jjesse> is there a better place to look?
[04:58] <jjesse> and there is also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes
[04:58] <Riddell> jjesse: not everything in kubuntu roadmap got done
[04:59] <jjesse> i guess what i'm looking for is where can i pull the best information from?
[04:59] <Riddell> jjesse: asking me probably
[05:01] <jjesse> Riddell: can you let me know then what needs to be changed and i'll put it together
[05:01] <Riddell> kde-system-settings should be KDE System Settings
[05:01] <jjesse> ok
[05:01] <Riddell> KISDN never seems to have been uploaded, I'll try and fix that but it won't get into main
[05:01] <Riddell> qt parted isn't in main
[05:02] <Riddell> metabar and kompose likewise
[05:02] <Riddell> Kubuntu Device Database never got made
[05:02] <Riddell> and guidance isn't in main
[05:02] <Riddell> Krita is in
[05:03] <Riddell> openoffice 2 with KDE themeing
[05:03] <Riddell> kaffeine and amarok use gstreamer
[05:03] <jjesse> ok making notes and working on changes
[05:04] <Riddell> klaptopdaemon works for hibernate with acpi
[05:04] <Riddell> locate:/ can search for files in konqueror
[05:04] <Riddell> google bar in konqueror has google suggest
[05:04] <jjesse> graphical boot process w/ usplash?
[05:05] <Riddell> automounting happens so when you insert a CD or memory stick it pops up in konqueror
[05:05] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, usplash goodness
[05:05] <jjesse> x.org 6.8.2 w/ wider hardware support
[05:05] <Riddell> yes
[05:05] <jjesse> taking some things from breezy release notes
[05:05] <jjesse> language selector?
[05:05] <jjesse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes
[05:06] <Riddell> no language selector but we do at least ship with KDE language packs
[05:06] <Tonio-> Riddell: damn !!! it means that making one test includes modifying, compiling, installing and rebooting ??? ^_^
[05:06] <Tonio-> that may take a while !!
[05:06] <Riddell> Tonio-: you can run usplash on the command line, but I'm not sure how you quit it once it's running
[05:06] <jjesse> from the on the server section in the release notes is that accurate (wiki page)
[05:07] <Tonio-> Riddell: ah ? good ;)
[05:07] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, that's all the same
[05:07] <jjesse> same w/ hardware support improvements
[05:07] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[05:07] <Tonio-> Riddell: maybe I can try to use the blue colors of the dafault kdmtheme no ??
[05:07] <StR> Tonio-: that's why I think we should use splashy!
[05:08] <Riddell> jjesse: adept-updater too for keeping your system up to date
[05:08] <Tonio-> StR: I don't now the technical advantages of usplash, but I must say that graphically, I really prefer splashy too ;)
[05:08] <Riddell> jjesse: amarok 1.3.1 (just because everyone seems to like am
[05:08] <Riddell> amarok)
[05:08] <jjesse> ok
[05:09] <jjesse> Riddell:  are applications now linkined into the launchpad infrastructure
[05:09] <Riddell> jjesse: koffice 1.4 in main featuring kexi (but not on CD)
[05:09] <Tonio-> Riddell: any link explaining the technical advantages of usplash over splashy, please ????
[05:09] <Riddell> Tonio-: no idea
[05:09] <Riddell> ask sladen, mjg59 or jbailey
[05:10] <StR> We should ask the #ubuntu-devel people
[05:10] <Riddell> Tonio-: KDE 3.4.2 of course
[05:10] <StR> but /me is still thinking in apt-get remove --purge usplash ; apt-get install splashy
[05:11] <Tonio-> I must say that the choice of usplash astonished me..... eye candy speaking, splashy is really much better
[05:12] <jjesse> Riddell: i'll make the changes mentioned and upload it (hopefully tonight)
[05:13] <Riddell> Tonio-: what's better about splashy?
[05:16] <Tonio-> the graphical look (to me of course)
[05:16] <Riddell> Tonio-: more colours?  better resolution?  or just a nicer image?
[05:16] <Tonio-> according to me, better resolution, more colord and nicer image ;)
[05:17] <Tonio-> maybe that can be done using usplash and that just depends on the way it is configured.....
[05:17] <Riddell> I think the trouble is that a lot of PCs can't do more than 16 colour at 640x480 that early in boot
[05:18] <Tonio-> did you saw a recent version of Suse booting Riddell ?
[05:18] <Tonio-> it is really nice, and I've run it on a very old machine with no problem
[05:18] <Tonio-> I don't know what they are using, is it a component of yast ? certainly.....
[05:19] <Riddell> they use bootsplash
[05:19] <Riddell> which has nothing to do with yast
[05:19] <Tonio-> okay
[05:19] <Riddell> ubuntu didn't like bootsplash because it's in kernel space
[05:19] <Riddell> I don't know anything other than that really
[05:19] <StR> Riddell:  splashy is very simple to configure, it is a simple XML and a JPG,
[05:20] <Tonio-> okay thanks for the info ;)
[05:20] <Tonio-> all I know is that the result is a pleasure for the eyes !
[05:20] <Tonio-> Riddell: may I change the png file or only the color sheme ?
[05:21] <Riddell> Tonio-: what do you want to change about it?
[05:21] <Tonio-> hum well I would like to test with the kdm theme image reduced to 640x480
[05:22] <Tonio-> just to test....
[05:22] <Tonio-> that would be blue and not mainly black of course
[05:22] <Tonio-> and so very different from ubuntu..... that's why I'm asking
[05:23] <Riddell> nah, it needs to be a kubuntu equivalent of the ubuntu image
[05:23] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay, that's what i wanted to know ;)
[05:24] <Tonio-> StR: according to what i can see usplash can be configured the same way....
[05:26] <Tonio-> StR: simply I think that the different is simply that image, Ubuntu didn't choose a very colored image (most black in fact..........), but well, it's their distro ;)
[05:26] <StR> Tonio-: but you need to recomple usplash to make the changes?
[05:28] <aeig> the new system settings tool doesnt work well with activated double-click in kde
[05:29] <Tonio-> StR: apparently yes
[05:29] <Tonio-> aeig: what problem are you experiencing ?
[05:29] <Tonio-> I have double click activated and don't any problem systemsettings
[05:29] <Tonio-> +with
[05:30] <aeig> after a doubleclick, the show all button isnt usable
[05:30] <Tonio-> let me check
[05:30] <Tonio-> works for me............
[05:32] <aeig> have you double-click to open files activated?
[05:32] <Tonio-> yep, I can't stand working with simple click (as an old windows user....)
[05:33] <Tonio-> in systemsettings, I can't double click (it is simple click based even in my case), but I don't have any problem
[05:33] <Tonio-> stupid, really stupid question, but when do you try to click on "showw all"
[05:34] <Tonio-> in a configuration tool ? or simply in the main windows (with all options available ?)
[05:35] <Tonio-> aeig: I know it sound a stupid question, but I try to understand when and how the button is blocked...
[05:35] <aeig> after a double click on appearance, a ahow all doenst bring me back
[05:36] <Tonio-> on appearance especially let me test ;)
[05:37] <Tonio-> na, no pb for me, I can go back using "show all" button.... strange.......
[05:37] <aeig> :-)
[05:37] <Tonio-> the only problem between you and me is that I have double click activated for kde
[05:38] <Tonio-> but in my case systemsettings works with simple click
[05:38] <Tonio-> I don't have to double click to go in appearance, 1 click is enough...... though I have double click for kde
[05:38] <aeig> i also have doube click activated for kde
[05:38] <Tonio-> aeig: do you have to doule click to go in "appearance" ?
[05:38] <aeig> now 1 click is enough
[05:39] <aeig> sorry no
[05:39] <aeig> 1 click is enough
[05:40] <Tonio-> okay, so I don't meet any problem...... sorrybut I can't help you on that point ;)
[05:40] <aeig> ok np
[05:43] <aeig> i have the problem if i make a very fast double click :-)
[05:45] <Tonio-> let me try ;)
[05:46] <Tonio-> aeig: you should be very, very fast because I'm clicking as fast as I can and no pb ^^
[05:46] <aeig> :-)
[05:46] <Riddell> Tonio-: try it on Display
[05:46] <Riddell> then click Back
[05:47] <Riddell> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/16434
[05:51] <Tonio-> Riddell: it works......
[05:52] <Riddell> breaks for me
[05:52] <aeig> me to
[05:52] <Tonio-> Ican't reproduce
[05:52] <Tonio-> I can double click, resize, fit to screen, go back and fit to screen again.....
[05:54] <Tonio-> I can see the bug on the screenshot, indeed.... I saw that once I remember, yes. But I can't reproduce it.....
[05:55] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay I have been to do it, but the double click has to be very, very fast ;)
[05:55] <Tonio-> aeig: good news, it breaks for me too, but Ireally have to want it due to the speed needed
[05:57] <aeig> Tonio: its for me a normal speed double click
[05:59] <aeig> Tonio: isnt it possible to activate the double click in the system settings tool if it is activated in kde
[06:00] <Tonio-> aeig: I must conclude I am a slow guy ^_^
[06:02] <aeig> Tonio: ok seems not to be a problem for the most users
[06:03] <Tonio-> aeig: so I must conclude you are a fast guy :)
[06:03] <aeig> Tonio: :-)
[06:03] <Tonio-> also I'm working on a laptop so my double click speed is certainly limited by this
[06:05] <aeig> Tonio: you should test it with a usb mouse
[06:06] <Tonio-> aeig: I will on my desktop computer toonigh
[06:07] <aeig> ok
[06:11] <Tonio-> Riddell: I download the kubuntu-default-settings as you said, but I am not able to find where the colors are defined.......
[06:11] <Riddell> Tonio-: in the .png file
[06:13] <Tonio-> ah it take the colors directly from the png ? okay, I was searching a text based file ;)
[06:14] <Riddell> the PNG file will have a palette and the colours in it need swapping around so they match the numbers I mentioned before
[06:15] <Tonio-> yes okay I can understand now ;)
[06:29] <Tonio-> back to GIMP.....
[09:04] <allee> Tonio-: wlassistant: No bugreports of you in sf bug tracker. No time yet?
[09:05] <Tonio-> absolutly :)
[09:06] <Tonio-> I assume I will perform that tomorrow, it is on my todo list but I have a 80 pages doc to read..... I have to prepare a Xen virtualized server tomorrow :-(
[09:06] <allee> 'k.  Did you notice that 'link quality' not updated on scan?
[09:06] <allee> Tonio-: oh, good luck
[09:07] <Tonio-> yep I saw that, as well as when you disconnect you cannot reconnect and have to perform a "dhclient" then the connection loads correctly....
[09:07] <Tonio-> did you notice that ?
[09:07] <Tonio-> allee: I know gsx server very well but am not very comfortable with xen actually..... will see ;)
[09:08] <allee> Tonio-: no.  I had no 'internet' connection during my tests so I got kicked of because google could not be pinged
[09:08] <Tonio-> that's a problem..... wlassistant bugging, kdenetworkconf bugging......
[09:08] <Tonio-> not easy to perform connections whithout going in the shell.......
[09:08] <allee> I read it in the logs
[09:09] <allee> Tonio-: yes network setup needs still much work
[09:09] <Tonio-> yep, I will post a bug report tomorrow evening, but tonight, no time for this ;)
[09:09] <allee> 'k.  Happy reading
[09:09] <Tonio-> I hope Guidance will perform a network conf tool ;)
[09:09] <Tonio-> that would be great ;)
[09:09] <Riddell> Tonio-: just poke sebas lots
[09:10] <Tonio-> I have to learn python this year, work my job, wo maybe I will try to do it in the next month, that may not be that hard.....
[09:11] <allee> Riddell: kdenetworkconfig shares backend with gnome. Maybe it's more efficient to fix kdenetworkconf
[09:11] <Riddell> allee: that's my thinking too
[09:11] <Tonio-> allee: talking about the xml files used to store parameters ?
[09:12] <Tonio-> I have a friend of mine who is a very good C++ coder.... if you send me a complete bug list, maybe he can have a look...
[09:13] <allee> Tonio-: for wlassistant?
[09:13] <Tonio-> for kdenetworkconf :)
[09:14] <Tonio-> if kdenetworkconf is patched to work correctly, wlassistant will be technically unnecessary
[09:14] <Tonio-> but kubuntu needs one working networkconf tool
[09:16] <Riddell> does gnome-system-tools/knetworkconf have and wireless stuff in it?
[09:16] <allee> ah, time to look into kdenetworkconf again.  Is this a 'breezy goal'?
[09:16] <Tonio-> kdenetworkconf has
[09:17] <Tonio-> I don't know if that is using gnome-system-tools......
[09:17] <Riddell> it uses the same backend
[09:18] <Tonio-> I know but is the wireless stuff of kdenetworkconf using that backend too, I don't have any idea
[09:18] <Riddell> I imagine so
[09:18] <Tonio-> so do I :)
[09:19] <Tonio-> okay let's go with usplash, and then read that xen doc !
[09:20] <Tonio-> Riddell: concerning the patch for default route when in static IP I haven't been able to find the sources unfortunatly, only the binary package.......
[09:22] <Tonio-> I just know that aslinux has patched it.....
[09:23] <Tonio-> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39098 -> as been discussed here
[09:23] <Tonio-> let's search again ;)
[09:30] <Tonio-> damn their repo doesn't have source....
[11:13] <sebas> Tonio-: Actually I'm waiting for someone to pick up network-manager and code a KDE frontend (I heard rumors that someone is working on it).
[11:17] <Riddell> sebas: knetworkconf
[11:18] <sebas> Riddell: Is that a frontend to networkmanager?
[11:18] <Riddell> no, to gnome-system-tools
[11:18] <Riddell> which one is networkmanager?
[11:18] <sebas> That gnome applet is network-manager
[11:18] <sebas> fab blogged about it some days ago.
[11:19] <Riddell> right, don't think anyone is working on that
[11:19] <Riddell> needs dbus bindings didn't clee say?
[11:19] <sebas> Yep.
[11:19] <sebas> It gets notified of cable unplugging and that sort of stuff via dbus.
[11:19] <JRee> sebas: hum interessting :)
[11:20] <JRee> sebas: where are the source of guidance ?
[11:20] <sebas> What do the profiles do in knetworkconf?
[11:20] <sebas> JRee: In playground in kdesvn or on Simon's website.
[11:20] <JRee> k
[11:21] <sebas> If you want to hack on it - please :)
[11:21] <JRee> sebas: will see if i can do something :)
[11:21] <sebas> JRee: Great!
[11:22] <Riddell> if it was done as part of guidance that would mean you could use python dbus bindings and not care about kde dbus bindings
[11:24] <sebas> Not that the python dbus bindings are really stable, API wise yet.
[11:26] <JRee> is there anyone else than me who has the nasty bug with systemsettings default size ?
[11:26] <JRee> (on 1024*768)
[11:27] <Riddell> JRee: yes
[11:29] <JRee> Riddell: ok i'll inspect that
[11:29] <JRee> Riddell: there is the patch for k3b here: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/devel/kubuntu_04_fix_normalize.diff
[11:30] <JRee> Riddell: it enable debian renamed normalize-audio on k3b
[11:30] <sebas> systemsettings is broken here wrt the size, the dialogues aren't shown completely in there.
[11:31] <JRee> sebas: it definitively need a fix ;)


[08:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (artful-proposed/main) [17.10.1 => 17.10.2] (no packageset)
[08:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (trusty-proposed/main) [3.13.0-135.184] (core, kernel)
[08:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (trusty-proposed) [3.13.0-135.184]
[09:14] <oSoMoN> good morning release team
[09:15] <oSoMoN> can gdm3 3.26.1-3ubuntu3 migrate from -proposed to -updates?
[09:15] <oSoMoN> the SRU has been verified and marked as such
[09:17] <apw> oSoMoN, is that safe to release on its own ?
[09:18] <apw> oSoMoN, and as it has not yet hit its SRU minimum age, do we ahve a justification for expediting it
[09:21]  * apw notes that he believe that gdm3 and gnome-session must move together
[11:02] <didrocks> oSoMoN: apw: FYI, I just saw the first report of people upgrading and getting fallback to gnome classic (can impact some users on upgrade, which is what the gdm/gnome-session fixes are for)
[11:08] <oSoMoN> apw, sorry I somehow missed your questions earlier… gdm3 and gnome-session should move together indeed
[11:09] <sil2100> Yeah, I'm about to publish those two now
[11:09] <oSoMoN> apw, and as pointed out by Didier, this SRU addresses an upgrade path, so the sooner the better
[11:09] <oSoMoN> sil2100, excellent, thanks!
[11:10] <sil2100> apw: I'll handle it, I more-or-less approve of the skip-aging exception and I know the context
[11:13] <apw> sil2100, ack thanks
[11:14] <andreas> rbasak: hi,where is your merges report for the server team again? Somewhere in reports.qa.ubuntu.com, but I lost the link
[11:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.14]
[11:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [arm64] (xenial-proposed) [2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.14]
[12:04] <xnox> sil2100, can you release systemd from xenial-proposed into xenial-updates?
[12:04] <sil2100> xnox: I'm in the middle of reviewing the bugs just now
[12:05] <sil2100> ;)
[12:05] <xnox> ah, thanks.
[12:05] <xnox> sil2100, although some bugs affect nplan too, systemd & nplan srus can land independent of each other.
[12:06] <sil2100> Ok, good to know, since I see 2 still unverified for the nplan one
[12:25] <rbasak> andreas: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/merges.html
[12:25] <andreas> yep, thx
[12:28] <sil2100> xnox: could you take a look at the autopkgtests related to systemd on zesty?
[12:28] <sil2100> xnox: I didn't look at them yet but I see there's quite some, wonder if any are related
[12:29] <xnox> sil2100, yes, but not now. it took me a while to resolve all of tests on xenial.
[12:29] <sil2100> ACK
[12:29] <xnox> sil2100, none are related as far as i can tell, but needs hints / overrides / bugs filed. which is what i did for xenial.
[12:30] <xnox> but not yet on zesty.
[13:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apturl (artful-proposed/main) [0.5.2ubuntu12 => 0.5.2ubuntu13] (ubuntu-desktop)
[13:57] <slashd> sil2100, good day, are you guys accepting patch in Artful, even if 'Bb' not totally publicly define yet ?
[14:07] <clivejo> when does the Busty Booby archive open?
[14:09] <jbicha> clivejo: it can't open without a name, and then usually it takes a few days to update the toolchain (compiler, dpkg, etc.)
[14:10] <clivejo> someone not poke Mark with a big stick?
[14:11] <LocutusOfBorg> mark stopped giving names a few releases ago IIRC
[14:12] <jbicha> I believe he still picked artful, he just didn't blog about it
[14:12] <clivejo> who picks now?
[14:13] <clivejo> he hasn't blogged in over a year
[14:13] <clivejo> is he still alive?
[14:14] <jbicha> he still picks name and he is very much still alive, he posted on twitter last week https://twitter.com/sabdfl
[14:16] <acheronuk> he was on BBC News 24 the other week
[14:18] <acheronuk> clivejo: https://youtu.be/eGj7eagbUNg
[14:21] <clivejo> could be a robot impersonating him :/
[14:22] <sil2100> slashd: that's a hard question! I'm a bit too much of a freshman in the SRU/release teams to say what's the rule here, but I'd say it's possible if the fix is important
[14:23] <slashd> sil2100, ack tks ;)
[14:23] <ogra_> clivejo, yeah, it is actualy an IoT robot running UbuntuCore, if we dont put the sabdfl costume on it, it looks like http://media.pennlive.com/food/photo/robot-1ca28a1d05691962.jpeg
[14:23] <sil2100> slashd: anyway, I'd say yes if it matches the SRU standards ;)
[14:24] <slashd> sil2100, anyway 'Bb' will be copied over artful right ?
[14:24] <slashd> so 'Bb' will have the SRU'd patch anyway if my understanding is good
[14:24] <cjwatson> ogra_: I'm pretty sure that if I walked into a store and saw that, I'd turn around and walk right out again and look for a pub instead
[14:24] <cjwatson> in order to forget
[14:24] <sil2100> Yeah, but best if you also ask someone from SRU+release with more experience
[14:24] <ogra_> lol
[14:25] <sil2100> I mean, it will have it then but I'm not sure if it's all formally acceptable
[14:25] <slashd> sil2100, sure I'll wait then, it's not critical ;)
[14:25] <slashd> thanks sil2100
[14:45] <apw> slashd, artful is open for SRUs, when BB opens it will start from whatever is in A
[14:46] <slashd> apw, sil2100 ^ thanks
[14:46] <slashd> ddstreet, ^
[14:48] <ddstreet> great!
[15:13] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, also -proposed pocket?
[15:13] <LocutusOfBorg> what happens if it gets rejected?
[15:13] <apw> -propsoed gets copied to bb-proposed too yes
[15:14] <apw> if somethign getrs rejected it might have gotten into bb, and you get to fix that too
[15:14] <apw> much as you would now if bb was open, you'd upload it there, upload a backport to aa, that would fail, you would fix bb and re-upload aa
[15:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-control-center (artful-proposed/main) [1:3.26.1-0ubuntu4 => 1:3.26.1-0ubuntu5] (ubuntu-desktop)
[15:31] <LocutusOfBorg> ack thanks
[16:47] <bdmurray> slangasek: Could you review my cracklib2 SRU?
[16:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: resolvconf (xenial-proposed/main) [1.78ubuntu4 => 1.78ubuntu5] (core)
[16:49] <slangasek> bdmurray: yep, looking
[16:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cracklib2 [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.9.2-3ubuntu1]
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cracklib2 [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.9.2-1ubuntu1]
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lshw (artful-proposed/main) [02.18-0.1ubuntu3 => 02.18-0.1ubuntu4] (core)
[17:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lshw (zesty-proposed/main) [02.18-0.1ubuntu3 => 02.18-0.1ubuntu3.1] (core)
[17:26] <bdmurray> slangasek: I'm seeing some upgrade failures due to unity being blacklisted - that seems like a no brainer right?
[17:38] <slangasek> bdmurray: blacklisted?
[17:38] <bdmurray> slangasek: blacklisted for removal
[17:38] <slangasek> ah
[17:39] <slangasek> unity, not unity8?
[17:39] <bdmurray> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-release-upgrader/trunk/view/head:/data/removal_blacklist.cfg
[17:39] <bdmurray> slangasek: yes, just unity
[17:40] <slangasek> I agree that it should no longer be in the blacklist; I am surprised that having it blacklisted is causing upgrade problems
[17:40] <bdmurray> Yeah it was fine in my testing
[17:41] <slangasek> example failure?
[17:41] <bdmurray> But is it worth digging into?
[17:41] <slangasek> it's probably worth a small amount of digging
[17:41] <bdmurray> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1726255
[17:45] <slangasek> bdmurray: looks like ubuntu-session Breaks: on old hud/unity packages is what's causing the unexpected removal; I'd suggest logging a bug against ubuntu-session for the desktop team to look at, and get their sign-off on dropping the blacklist
[19:49] <bdmurray> slangasek: bug 1681231 is v-done for zesty if you want to fast track it
[20:07] <slangasek> bdmurray: agreed, releasing, thanks
[20:45] <smoser> hey. so if i was going to upload cloud-init to x, z, a i could/should do that ?
[20:46] <smoser> and then just deal with anything about 'b' later on ?
[20:47] <nacc> smoser: in theory, if it gets into aa before bb opens, it'll get copied forward
[20:49] <slangasek> yes
[20:53] <smoser> k.
[21:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (artful-proposed/main) [17.1-18-gd4f70470-0ubuntu1 => 17.1-25-g17a15f9e-0ubuntu1~17.10.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[21:17] <blackboxsw> here we go for real
[21:17] <blackboxsw> :)
[21:19] <nacc> heh
[21:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (zesty-proposed/main) [17.1-18-gd4f70470-0ubuntu1~17.04.2 => 17.1-25-g17a15f9e-0ubuntu1~17.04.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[21:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (xenial-proposed/main) [17.1-18-gd4f70470-0ubuntu1~16.04.2 => 17.1-25-g17a15f9e-0ubuntu1~16.04.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[22:13] <bdmurray> slangasek: durh, the unity blacklist issue is due to not having universe enabled.
[22:15] <slangasek> bdmurray: oh, wellthen
[22:16] <slangasek> bdmurray: sounds like a valid user setup and that unity should be removed in that case, no?
[22:16] <bdmurray> slangasek: Yes.
[22:20] <jbicha> personally, I think we *should* have marked unity for autoremoval, but we'll need the rest of the Desktop Team to weigh in on that
[22:27] <bdmurray> slangasek: I'm going test and upgrade w/ universe enabled and unity not blacklisted just to be safe before thinking about an SRU.


[18:27] <hjd> Anyone around who could mark bug 1609585 as won't fix? Minor issue, won't fix in Debian, see discussion for details. TIA :)


[20:47] <kubkde> nshirelaptop, backport PPAs would do you well. But like what was said, stability is important. I've went and installed a lot of the newest versions of different packages and always encounter bugs. It may be because the system as a whole needs to be upgraded to work with it I suppose (or the devs just broke something)
[20:47] <OneM_Laptop> So, kubkde tgm4883: I finally managed to get it working.
[20:47] <OneM_Laptop> Not sure how, but I managed it.
[20:47] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, Sweeeeet!
[20:47] <OneM_Laptop> Yep.
[20:47] <kubkde> No reformat, you actually got it working?
[20:47] <OneM_Laptop> Yep.
[20:48] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop++
[20:48] <tgm4883> Vic2: is the time incorrect on your system?
[20:48] <kubkde> That must feel damn good
[20:48] <OneM_Laptop> Yes, it really does.
[20:48] <kubkde> Hahahah
[20:49] <kubkde> What packages did you remove/add?
[20:49] <OneM_Laptop> I finally managed to get the graphics-drivers ppa to work, and from there it was just a matter of installing a driver that actually worked.
[20:49] <kaniki> is there a way to let the computer put the audio down and activate it (like what is happening on reboot or after resuming from sleep) (not the [pulseaudio -k or force-reload])
[20:50] <tgm4883> kaniki: you could try reloading the driver with modprobe
[20:50] <OneM_Laptop> After a little bit of tinkering to get it to a usable resolution (It started as 480xsomething) and a couple false starts, it's back up and running.
[20:51] <Vic2> tgm4883 ... just noticing that ... sigh, fixing now.  thanks!
[20:51] <kubkde> Huh..that is really strange
[20:51] <OneM_Laptop> kubkde: It is.
[20:51] <gyles19> afx_: the command 'mailx' (provided by bsd-mailx and heirloom-mailx, among others) provides a cli which you can use thusly: "cat message-txt | mailx -s subject -a fileattachment<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and it will email the content of message-txt to the recipient with the specified subject line and attachement file.
[20:52] <kubkde> Cuda time? Lol. I'd be afraid to touch it at this point
[20:52] <OneM_Laptop> It started working when I installed nvidia-36x (Can't remember the last digit), then updated perfectly to nvidia-418.
[20:52] <afx_> gyles19, thank you . do you know if it supports owa i.e. ms exchange accounts too ?
[20:52] <OneM_Laptop> Yeah, no. I'm leaving well enough alone now.
[20:53] <kaniki> tgm4883 , how to know the name of the driver that I have to reload (the audio driver)
[20:53] <kaniki> using the modprobe
[20:53] <Vic2> tgm4883 The time is 12 hours off ... how can I quickly update the time on the command line?  Ubuntu 18.04
[20:53] <gyles19> afx_: It's just a front end for sendmail or other SMTP MTA services.  It doesn't format anything for you.
[20:53] <tgm4883> kaniki: I'd start with googling whatever your audio card is
[20:53] <afx_> gyles19,  i see ! will check this out ! thank you
[20:54] <tgm4883> Vic2: 'date --help'
[20:54] <gyles19> vic2: I use ntpdate and/or hwclock or related utilities.
[20:54] <tgm4883> gyles19: I think 12 hours off is too far to autocorrect
[20:55] <kubkde> OneM_Laptop, Smart. I hope the temptation doesn't arise haha
[20:55] <tgm4883> Vic2: out of curiosity, is your timezone 12 hours from UTC?
[20:56] <Vic2> tgm4883 no .. system is set to EST and server is in CET, so 5 hours at the moment (with DST)
[20:56] <OneM_Laptop> kubkde: Yeah, it isn't.
[20:56] <tgm4883> Vic2: hmm ok. Then yea you'll just have to set it from the command line
[20:57] <gyles19> tgm4883: Yes, hence the reference to hwclock.  ntpdate can also override a really wrong clock; ntpd itself will not.
[21:01] <kubkde> Vic2, I also use ntpdate. There's something wrong with my motherboard, as it keeps changing its own time. It's been broken on Windows and I have to manually fix it every time
[21:02] <Vic2> tdm4883 yes agreed ... but the question is HOW?   I CBF to open it up just to fix the clock though. I'll wait until I upgrade my hard drive to pop open my lpatop
[21:05] <kubkde> But my BIOS settings never change so I don't think it'd be the battery. I...did get the laptop wet once...
[21:07] <strang3quark> Hey guys, I'm trying to use EurKEY as a default layout. I can set it with "setxkbmap eu" but it changes to us after reboot. The problem is, the EurKey doens't appear on system settings
[21:07] <kubkde> OerHeks, thanks but I'd rather have both UTC and local rather than just loal
[21:07] <kubkde> rather than just UTC*
[21:08] <Bashing-om> Vic2: My thought: Windows sets the hardware clock to local time by default. Linux/Unix sets it to UTC by default. One of them needs changing so they both use the clock the same way. -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/169376/clock-time-is-off-on-dual-boot .
[21:10] <strang3quark> Nevermind, just needed to gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.input-sources show-all-sources true
[21:11] <kubkde> strang3quark, I would take a look at man setxkbmap or /usr/share/X11/xkb
[21:12] <OerHeks> kubkde, so you did not read the post
[21:12] <tgm4883> kubkde: just a heads up, you're causing quite a bit of confusion when you chime into every question
[21:13] <kubkde> I'm a bit hyped on coffee right now, my apologies.
[21:15] <tgm4883> kubkde: it's great you want to help, just slow down a bit, read the full question, ensure what you're going to say relates to the problem. Ask for more information when necessary
[21:18] <rwp> OerHeks, Thanks for the help yesterday.  Just for closure... The problem with the screensaver config setting not sticking turned out to be due to ~/.config/dconf/user having gotten chown'd root somehow.  Fixing that allowed it to stay set.
[21:18] <kubkde> tgm4883, For sure. I'll lurk for now so I can get a feel of how I should be replying
[21:21] <OerHeks> rwp, odd, likely dconf is used with sudo?
[21:33] <rwp> OerHeks, Likely it was a "sudo virt-manager" that was run along the way.  (Between then and now things are working as the user without sudo.)
[21:34] <rwp> The boot iso image for a VM was put into /var/lib/libvirt/boot which has no read access.  Putting it in .../images solved the permission problem.
[21:54] <xabier> #gentoo
[21:58] <OerHeks> xabier, gentoo - A highly configurable file manager for X ?
[22:01] <neo> hi
[22:12] <BrianBlaze> I just called... to say... I lvoe Ubuntu
[22:12] <BrianBlaze> love*
[22:20] <utame> test
[22:20] <tomreyn> please do your tests elsewhere, thanks.
[22:26] <Vic2> kubkde and gyles19 Thank you both! :)
[22:39] <gyles19> Vic2: You're welcome.  Did that resolve your issue?
[22:54] <threadstack> Anyone know how to change the crypt background, where you put in the password for the LUKS encryption? (Tried a search through [enter ye olde favourite search engine here] and that proved pretty fruitless.)
[23:05] <pragmaticenigma> threadstack: Don't you only see that for a moment while you boot? Why worry about it?
[23:07] <OerHeks> there is a post, old, and gives as answer change theme or edit, not sure it is still valid https://askubuntu.com/questions/576497/full-disk-encryption-interface-on-boot
[23:30] <threadstack> OerHeks: Thanks! =]
[23:50] <jamie_1> okay, so i just installed ubuntu next to windows on an asus tuf book and after booting in it loaded some then froze and i had to reboot, now im stuck in grub and im only finding one readable filesystem
[23:51] <jamie_1> and i cant seem to the efi to get back into ubuntu, also will need to dissable the gtx1060 or will probably get more issues
[23:52] <jamie_1> second issue is that its a fat which this should be a ext3 or 4


[08:57] <darkxst> regions panel in g-c-c on staging should actually work now, would appreciate some testing though, if anyone wants to help out!
[12:15] <apm1> i think the world went a tad bit more cruel when unity was introduced
[12:16] <apm1> i think the world went a tad bit more cruel when unity was introduced ;)
[12:16] <apm1> you guys gave me hope again ;)
[22:52] <darkxst> jbicha, so selecting language and region's should work now in 3.8 g-c-c
[22:52] <darkxst> although there is not actually anyway to install languages


 Having a issuse with kubuntu 18.04 not allowing me to use sudo
[04:24] <valorie> hmmm, no information and then leaves
[06:54] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:03] <bschindler> Hi - since updating from 16.04 to 18.04, I'm unable to access the windows shares on our company. Is there anything in addition I have to do in order to be able to use dolphin for accessing shares?
[08:12] <hateball> bschindler: might need to adjust the smb version used
[08:12] <hateball> bschindler: as default version is likely changed due to wannacry
[08:14] <bschindler> I just was able to make it work, this did help: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/samba-share-working-but-not-browsable-by-manjaro-xfce-broken-again/32603/19
[08:15] <bschindler> a bit surprising to say the least
[09:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:51] <ktecho> Hi. Since I installed Kubuntu 18.04, I had an "OS" link in Dolphin that let me click it and it automounted my windows ntfs partition, which was very useful to me. But since a few days ago, it mounts the partition read-only. Any clue on where to fix this or change it to original behaviour?
[13:58] <lordievader> ktecho: Is is defined in `/etc/fstab`?
[14:03] <genii> ktecho: Have you booted into Windows recently? The usual suspect here is that Windows creates a hiberfil.sys file because by default it hibernates/suspends instead of actual shutdown/power off, and then Kubuntu cannot mount the partition read-write because writing to it from linux would leave the filesystem in an unstable condition.
[14:03] <genii> ...and they're gone again
[14:07] <jrfreemann> hello
[14:08] <genii> ktecho: Have you booted into Windows recently? The usual suspect here is that Windows creates a hiberfil.sys file because by default it hibernates/suspends instead of actual shutdown/power off, and then Kubuntu cannot mount the partition read-write because writing to it from linux would leave the filesystem in an unstable condition.
[14:09] <ktecho> genii: just rebooted into Windows to shut it down. But the problem persists.
[14:09] <ktecho> genii: I've just seen that it's not defined in /etc/fstab. Do you know what other place it's defined in?
[14:09] <ktecho> Is this a kde stuff?
[14:10] <genii> ktecho: I would recommend in Windows to open Command Promp as admin, then issue: powercfg.exe /h off
[14:11] <genii> This globally turns off the hibernate/suspend so that you don't have to navigate 10 different places in Control Panel finding all the places it's set for different things
[14:13] <ktecho> oh, understand
[14:13] <ktecho> going to try right now
[14:13] <ktecho> thanks genii
[14:13] <genii> ktecho: Then should probably also do a filesystem check with chkdsk C: /f    ...it will tell you it can't at the moment but give an option to run it next boot, which you should reboot and let it run.
[14:14] <ktecho> ohhh, ok
[14:14] <memphisto> hi, i have pidgin from sipe collab ppa installed, and its tray icon is extremely small, unclickable....who to talk to?
[14:14] <genii> \After the hibernate and chkdsk finish, you should be able to mount read-write again from Kubuntu
[14:19]  * genii wanders back to the coffeepot
[14:20] <ktecho> genii: you the man!
[14:20] <ktecho> genii: that made it. Thanks!
[14:21] <genii> ktecho: Glad to be of assistance :)
[14:24] <ktecho> :)
[14:43] <BluesKaj> !cookie | genii
[14:45]  * genii munches cookie
[14:45] <BluesKaj> ok, gotta go ...my vehicle needs the a/c serviced....probly gonna charg me a small fortune...BBL
[17:15] <kubuntu> heeey guys wassup
[17:15] <Guest35673> former gnome user here :D
[17:16] <Guest35673> i have to tell you, KDE is waaaay better
[17:16] <Guest35673> much smoother and faster
[17:16] <Guest35673> also on low end hardware
[17:16] <Guest35673> loving it so far
[17:16] <Guest35673> much more customizable and better looking than Gnome!!
[17:16] <Guest35673> :D
[17:20] <BluesKaj> Guest35673: yes, much more flexible with more options than gnome for sure
[17:20] <CalicoFlows> How can I deleted the download uninstalled updates? I am ran out of space, 0mb
[17:21] <CalicoFlows> How can I get deleted the download uninstalled updates? I am ran out of space, 0mb
[17:23] <BluesKaj> CalicoFlows:  run sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean, to make more room in your / (root) dir
[17:24] <CalicoFlows> BluesKaj, oh thank you so much, 692 MB disk space will be freed. Last time I ran into a situation like that, I couldn't boot up...
[17:25] <BluesKaj> then in install gparted live media on a usb or cd/dvd and run it to expand your partitionsince you need more room
[17:29] <BluesKaj> CalicoFlows:  run that command periodically like once/week or so
[17:32] <CalicoFlows> BluesKaj, thanks, I wrote it down. Rebooting.
[17:41] <CalicoFlows> When I try opening the task manager I get this error https://i.imgur.com/ZP3NKuX.png And then the actual window loads and it's blank https://i.imgur.com/igvFIBj.png How can I fix that, please? I am a bit worried that this sort of thing happens. Overall the performance of my system has been getting worse ;/
[17:44] <BluesKaj> CalicoFlows:  run df -h to see much disk space you have
[17:47] <CalicoFlows> :O  https://i.imgur.com/S2XON3k.png  How can I delete the /snap stuff
[17:48] <CalicoFlows> They were showing up in Dolphin when was trying out to do whatever I was doing and they are long gone, I assumed they were deleted
[17:49] <CalicoFlows> Ah, OK I thought the /loop's were folders. They are files. Can I just delete them safely?
[17:50] <CalicoFlows> I shouldn't have installed propietary software anyway
[17:53] <CalicoFlows> Alright, I decided to go with sudo apt purge snapd ...
[17:53] <BluesKaj> I don't know much about snaps, but they aren't going to save you much
[17:54] <CalicoFlows> but I still see the loop files in /dev
[17:54] <BluesKaj> looks like you have alot of data on your windows partition, lots of apps ?
[17:55] <BluesKaj> or media stuff ?
[17:56] <CalicoFlows> I used to use that partition to store data, music, but all of a sudden at some point I stopped being able to write on it, just read
[17:56] <CalicoFlows> so I was using Windows for a while, but now I am back...
[17:56] <CalicoFlows> it would be really great if I could be able to write on it again haha
[17:58] <CalicoFlows> the thing is, I also have a bunch of free non partitioned space, but I was told not to expand my it without a flash drive, do you think I can do it as I still don't have one
[17:59] <BluesKaj> do you have a cdrom on the laptop, you could burn gparted on a cds and use that to eopand your partitions
[18:00] <BluesKaj> expand
[18:00] <CalicoFlows> That's the actual situation https://i.imgur.com/cFZ7DJp.png
[18:02] <BluesKaj> so do you have a cdrom?
[18:04] <CalicoFlows> Ah, no. So it's true I guess that I can't expand it without additional media, damn. I guess I will really should not forget to get a flash drive when I am in the city again, finally.
[18:06] <CalicoFlows> I remember I tried installing Kubuntu from my android actually
[18:07] <CalicoFlows> Do you think I could use that same method?
[18:07] <BluesKaj> odd because I just looked up some spewcs on your laprop and it shows a removable dvd drive
[18:08] <BluesKaj> typical Lenovo , 5-6 different versions of the same model , I haver G500 and some don't have a dvd drive either
[18:09] <genii> There are a couple tricks for that, but only really short term solutions. First is to remove the 5% of disk space reserved for root only, that sometimes gives you enough room to complete updates, etc. But if rooms that tight it will soon fill up again anyways. Another way is to hook another drive up and then "expand" the room by mounting it to /boot after copying whatever's on the original /boot to it
[18:09] <BluesKaj> mine does, fortunately
[18:11] <genii> The proper solution is of course to migrate to a larger drive
[18:11] <BluesKaj> genii: yeah , that's essentially what i did with my RPI3
[18:11] <CalicoFlows> I have 2 gigs free now, I should survive. Drivedroid was the name of the app that I was  thinking about, but it only could be used to boot .isos
[18:15] <BluesKaj> CalicoFlows:  kubuntu needs more respect, make more room for it when you can :-)
[18:17] <CalicoFlows> I've been on weird websites and I my Chrome under Windows got infected. I used to frequent the same web sites under Linux as well. How can I find out if anything bad is going on, AV...?
[18:18] <CalicoFlows> BluesKaj, it used to be fine when I was able to write onto my Windows partition, but as I said at some point it stopped allowing me
[18:23] <CalicoFlows> uh, I can't even run DriveDroid as I don't have Google Malware on my phone
[18:47] <BluesKaj> CalicoFlows: is there partitioner app you could use on your phone ?
[18:47] <BluesKaj> connect it to your laptop via USB
[19:58] <CalicoFlows> No, unfortunately
[19:58] <CalicoFlows> I will get a flash drive at last
[21:10] <CalicoFlows> Is there a way to retain the functionality of my brightness buttons
[21:10] <CalicoFlows> without running compositor?
[21:11] <CalicoFlows> my laptop is getting laggy from time to type, apps are freezing for 4 5 6 seconds (skype, viber, opera, vivaldi) randomly, I want to try out how it would be without compositor
[22:50] <abdonmorales> is there going to be a kubuntu 18.10?
[22:51] <krytarik> :D
[22:54] <abdonmorales> is there going to be kubuntu 18.10 LTS?
 it won't be LTS
[22:55] <abdonmorales> ok go it
[22:56] <abdonmorales> so its in development? or not?
[22:57] <abdonmorales> So 18.10 is in development??
[23:01] <Dragnslcr> Upgraded my desktop to 18.04, and now the monitor won't turn off after the timeout that I've set. Anyone else had this issue?
[23:01] <Dragnslcr> Screen power off on my laptop seems to be working fine, though
[23:02] <abdonmorales> try rebooting the desktop
[23:04] <abdonmorales> is there going to be a 18.10 release soon?Just to make sure.
[23:06] <abdonmorales> ???
[23:06] <krytarik> Yes, in October.
[23:06] <abdonmorales> Oh ok
[23:07] <abdonmorales> Is there dev preview?
[23:08] <krytarik> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[23:08] <abdonmorales> thanks
[23:09] <acheronuk> not much has changed from 18.04 yet, as we are waiting for new Qt to land
[23:13] <abdonmorales> Is there Ubuntu 18.10 dev preview
[23:15] <abdonmorales> ??
[23:18] <krytarik> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/
[23:20] <abdonmorales> can you give me the ubuntu mate 18.10 because i cant acsses the 18.04 build.
[23:21] <abdonmorales> ??
[23:21] <krytarik> Dude, just amend the URL as desired.
[23:35] <abdonmorales> ...
[23:36] <abdonmorales> ..
[23:36] <abdonmorales> .