[00:00] <Dr_willis> I just keep a terminal open on the 2nd monitor. :)
[00:00] <Dr_willis> no need to pop one down
[00:00] <ptl> Dr_willis: do you know any conky script that could replace my gkrellm?
[00:00] <Dr_willis> depeneds on what you want it to do.
[00:01] <ptl> be used as a panel, stay fixed and always visible on the right, be thin and show all current data
[00:01] <ptl> most widgets are too fat for me
[00:01] <Dr_willis> well of course.. but what 'data'
[00:01] <courtjesterg> how do i edit my permissions to edited this folder in root
[00:01] <ptl> cpu, processes, network, disk, swap and so on. Nothing out of the ordinary.
[00:01] <Dr_willis> you can custamize conky to show most anything.  like that.
[00:02] <Dr_willis> conkly web site has dozens of examples
[00:02] <courtjesterg> think i am set as some kind of user instead of admin
[00:02] <binMonkey> there's a thread in the ubuntu forums with hundreds of conkys and their scripts.
[00:02] <Dr_willis> oops conlky
[00:02] <ptl> my problem with conky is not showing the data. Is showing the data in a thin panel widget.
[00:03] <Dr_willis> Could always track down some windowmaker warf applets. :)
[00:03] <ptl> could never do that with it...
[00:03] <Dr_willis> but oh wait.. kde4 dosetn have that warf-applet feature any more
[00:03] <Dr_willis> having  'readable' info in a real think conky layout would be the hard part...
[00:04] <Dr_willis> since it only does 'bar' graphs and text basically.
[00:04] <binMonkey> ptl: look here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865&highlight=conky
[00:04] <ptl> haven't thought of it, but windowmaker is also too old, and I am looking to replace gkrellm because I want something more integrated (besides the irritating moving bug, I want real transparency and such things)
[00:04] <Dr_willis> the kde4 way would be to make plasmids for it all
[00:04] <ptl> I know
[00:05] <ptl> couldn't find one
[00:05] <ptl> only fat plasmids
[00:05] <ptl> which are not panels either
[00:05] <ptl> there are some awesome monitors, but they are screen-hungry
[00:06] <Dr_willis> htop in a terminal. :) what more do ya need.
[00:06] <ptl> not thing
[00:06] <ptl> I mean
[00:06] <ptl> not thin
[00:06] <ptl> and not a panel
[00:07] <Dr_willis> 'oh the humanity of it all!' :)
[00:07] <ptl> otherwise I would use it -- or not, because being a text application, does not have graphs that are more intuitive, faster to see what's happening
[00:07] <courtjesterg> ok in login manager is system the super userr /admin of the os in users tab?
[00:07] <courtjesterg> i see i am not marked as anything nor has nothing have applied
[00:08] <courtjesterg> there is even a user called root
[00:08] <courtjesterg> odd
[00:15] <HappySmileMan> courtjesterg: "root" is like superadmin on Linux distros
[00:15] <ptl> Ok
[00:15] <ptl> Dr_willis: I recalled why I don't use conky.
[00:15]  * Dr_willis recalls why he dosent use gkrellm
[00:16] <ptl> Dr_willis: It doesn't have settings for being a panel. Ok, I could get a workaround by using wmctrl or the KDE window management to always make it a panel. Ugly, but it would work, I guess. But it also does not support real transparency.
[00:16] <ptl> why?
[00:16] <ptl> I would not struggle with text-mode configuration files if it's not really worth it
[00:16]  * Dr_willis dosent give a bean about 'real' transparency
[00:17] <Dr_willis>  :)
[00:17] <ptl> gkrellm doesn't have it
[00:19] <courtjesterg> ok when trying to edit my sources.list file to take that url out so i can use adept it says i do not have permission
[00:19] <courtjesterg> when trying to save need to save it and edit it
[00:20] <Dr_willis> You used 'sudo nano ' ?
[00:20] <maxbaldwin> what editor are you using, courtjesterg
[00:20] <courtjesterg> it opens in kate
[00:20] <Dr_willis> YOU open it.. dont just double click...
[00:20] <maxbaldwin> sudo kate /etc/.../sources.lst
[00:20]  * Dr_willis scoffs at double clicking..
[00:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:20] <maxbaldwin> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:20] <maxbaldwin> I think
[00:21] <Dr_willis> kdesudo kate /path/to/whatever
[00:21] <Dr_willis> or use a console based editor
[00:21] <Dr_willis> sudo nano /path/to/whatever
[00:21] <maxbaldwin> yeah, kdesudo for graphical applications.
[00:21] <Dr_willis> or use some other editor
[00:22]  * mister-tea likes kate
[00:22]  * Dr_willis uses geany
[00:23] <courtjesterg> how can i edit my permissions to edit the root folders this is my computer and i installed this os so why am i not allowed to edit the file?
[00:23]  * ptl apt-cache search geany
[00:23]  * mister-tea when in terminal uses nano
[00:23]  * ptl when in terminal uses vim
[00:24]  * ptl thinks there are too many options for lightweight syntax-highlighting text processors on GNU/Linux
[00:24] <courtjesterg> this is where i have to go
[00:24] <ptl> s/processors/editors/
[00:24] <courtjesterg> E: Type 'git://git.kitenet.net/aliengit://git.kitenet.net/alien
[00:24] <courtjesterg> i need to delete that line on 46
[00:25] <courtjesterg> in root ect/apt/sources.list
[00:25] <courtjesterg> and i can't resave the file once i try and delet it
[00:26] <mister-tea> use nanoin terminal and read the man pages that will tell you how to save your changes
[00:26] <courtjesterg> i am not used to the terminal nor know any commands for it
[00:27] <courtjesterg> i came from xp i used to mess with the stuff when i was a young kid
[00:27] <courtjesterg> with command lines in 95
[00:27] <mister-tea> dr willis gave you the commands above
[00:28] <mister-tea> if you want to learn more about commands there is a built in tutor thingy in konqueror
[00:29] <OxDeadC0de> courtjesterg as security so people can't break your system except you, you need root permissions to change anything but personal files (Otherwise it's a "bug")
[00:29] <OxDeadC0de> courtjesterg prefix "sudo" to any command to gain root privileges for that command
[00:30] <Dr_willis> hasent this been shown by example like.. 10 times now. :)
[00:30] <mister-tea> terminal can be your  friend :-)
[00:31] <ptl> courtjesterg: but did you use sudo/kdesudo? You probably can't save because you are not root. Or maybe it's the permissions...
[00:31] <mister-tea> if you want to do the edit with a gui (kate) open kate from terminal kdesudo kate
[00:31] <Dr_willis> root should be able to save  even with the wrong permissions
[00:32] <ptl> not if the file belongs to other user
[00:32] <OxDeadC0de> ptl root can edit any file no matter what user owns it, that's why it's root
[00:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:32] <jose> hola alguien me puede ayudar
[00:32] <Dr_willis> sudo nano /dev/urandom
[00:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:32] <Dr_willis> edit that! :P
[00:32] <ptl> OxDeadC0de: I know and that's the problem (probably). he's not editting it as root
[00:32]  * mister-tea doubts he understands root
[00:32] <ptl> Dr_willis: lol
[00:32] <ubuntu> .,.
[00:33] <ptl> !es | jose
[00:33] <ubuntu> hi all
[00:33] <OxDeadC0de> !hi | ubuntu
[00:34] <ubuntu> thank ;)
[00:34] <ptl> !hot_teen_sex | ptl
[00:34] <ptl> :[
[00:34] <Dr_willis> !ohmy
[00:34] <mister-tea> !botabuse
[00:34] <ubuntu> !hot_teen_sex | ptl
[00:34] <courtjesterg> ok how do i save this options justify, writeout, readfile
[00:35] <Dr_willis> Huh>
[00:35] <Dr_willis> ?
[00:35] <mister-tea> me/ wonders if he could just comment the line out
[00:35] <courtjesterg> i am in the terminal i went to where i need to be and deleted the line of code on line 46 so now what do i do to save this work?
[00:35] <Dr_willis> courtjesterg,  what editor did you use?
[00:36] <courtjesterg> i am in the terminal kconsole
[00:36] <ubuntu> your computer whitch cpu have?
[00:36] <Dr_willis> courtjesterg,  that disent tell us what editor....
[00:36] <mister-tea> nano?
[00:36] <OxDeadC0de> if nano, ^=control, ^X  is exit, exit will save. If vim exit insert mode, :wq to write and quit. If kate or gedit, save it like normal
[00:37] <Dr_willis>  if you  used nano - its some control  combo.. see any help/tips at the bottom?
[00:37] <courtjesterg> i deleted the line in the terminal when i looked it up
[00:37] <courtjesterg> yeah nano
[00:37] <courtjesterg> none say save
[00:37] <Dr_willis> some days its like pupping teeth. :)
[00:37] <Dr_willis> 'write' = save
[00:37] <mister-tea> control x
[00:37] <OxDeadC0de> I just told him, he ignored it
[00:37] <courtjesterg> ok
[00:37] <Dr_willis> write out.. i think it says..
[00:37] <ubuntu> my processor have 900 mz..
[00:37] <Dr_willis> ctrl-h = HELP :)
[00:38] <ubuntu> at me?
[00:38] <mister-tea> ubuntu:  do you have a question?
[00:39] <ubuntu> yes..
[00:39] <mister-tea> !ask
[00:39] <ubuntu> :°(
[00:41] <courtjesterg> this isn't working
[00:42] <courtjesterg> hm
[00:42] <notriddle> Just out of curiosity, does anybody know if it is safe to suspend a system while you are connected to IRC?
[00:43] <maxbaldwin> notriddle: yes. the worst that can happen is someone says your name.
[00:43] <courtjesterg> it saved just not inthe format i wanted it too now me wonders how i delete that file lol
[00:43] <notriddle> maxbaldwin: Okay. Thanks.
[00:44]  * notriddle supposes that he should set himself to away before he suspends.
[00:44] <mister-tea> re edit it
[00:44] <maxbaldwin> notriddle: sure, that'd work.
[00:45] <notriddle> maxbaldwin: Any way to set Konversation to away automatically? Perhaps a script in /etc/acpi/suspend.d and /etc/acpi/resume.d?
[00:46] <maxbaldwin> notriddle: not that I know of. CTRL + Shit + A
[00:46] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. if you disconnect..  you are not away... you are.. err.. gone. :)
[00:46]  * notriddle wonders whether there's a better channel to ask this on, even though distribution-specific stuff is involved.
[00:46] <maxbaldwin> oh crap... CTRL + *Shift* + A
[00:46] <maxbaldwin> that's better.  I'm using KDE3 Konversation.
[00:47] <ubuntu> me too
[00:47] <ptl> so I don't think setting to autoaway would do anything useful
[00:47] <maxbaldwin> notriddle: kde4 here, dunno.
[00:48] <Dr_willis> You would be away befor you get disconnected. :)
[00:48] <notriddle> maxbaldwin: Huh? I'm using Intrepid and I have a KDE3 Konversation. It's one of the only KDE3 application I have.
[00:49] <notriddle> Dr_willis: I'll be disconnected if I suspend?
[00:49] <Dr_willis> notriddle,  of course...
[00:49] <ptl> unless, of course, you use something as a bouncer
[00:49] <tauc1961> alguien en español
[00:49] <notriddle> Dr_willis: Okay.  I just wondered whether I'd properly disconnect or be away. I didn't want some undefined result (perhaps accidentally crashing the server.
[00:51] <ptl> notriddle: I see. I was just kidding, hope you didn't take offense. :)
[00:51] <Dr_willis> as far as the server sees.. you quit replying to pings/responses. and thus 'hung up/disconnected'
[00:52] <Dr_willis> same as any other serverice/connectiosn to that suspending machine.
[00:52] <notriddle> Dr_willis: But my IRC client doesn't know that. That's one of the things I worried about (Konversation expecting to still be connected).
[00:52] <Dr_willis> Hibernate/suspend can reallyu confuse a LOT of applications...
[00:52] <ptl> notriddle: if you want to have IRC presence with your computer turned off, though, you can use bnc on a server
[00:53]  * notriddle doesn't need that.
[00:53] <notriddle> Dr_willis: Should I just test it and hope Konversation doesn't crash?
[00:54] <Dr_willis> It wont crash.. it will be disconnected..
[00:54]  * notriddle doesn't expect it to do worse, though there are ways it could.
[00:54] <Dr_willis> it might try to auto-reconnect/rejoin the channels
[00:54] <paulk> test it notriddle
[00:55]  * notriddle is suspended.
[00:55] <noaXess> wow .. now upgraded..and eg. can't run konsole, dolphin... KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/konsole
[00:56]  * notriddle just un-suspended.
[00:57] <notriddle> Dr_willis: it seems to have re-connected.
[00:57] <ubuntu> cosa
[00:57] <Dr_willis> notriddle,  no it dident.. :) we dont see you..
[00:57] <Dr_willis> :P
[00:57] <noaXess> any idea, why kde4 alwayys look in /usr/lib/kde4/bin?.. cause this was the path in the 8.04 kde4 remix
[00:58] <notriddle> Dr_willis: I assume you're joking. Did I suspend for too short, and never get disconnected?
[00:58] <Dr_willis> sounds like somthing dident get upgraded right. :)
[00:58] <Dr_willis> notriddle,  i never notic3d.. i have most of those messages disabled
[00:58] <noaXess> Dr_willis: ok.. what?
[00:58] <mister-tea> message said suspended the un suspended
[00:59] <mister-tea> then
[00:59] <notriddle> noaXess: It seems like your upgrade didn't go smoothly. You are using a shortcut that references Konsole by full path (they moved it).
[01:00] <noaXess> ok.. thanks.. but whats the trick to fix it?
[01:00] <noaXess> i do a alt+f2 and run konsole
[01:00] <notriddle> noaXess: Okay. Try /usr/bin/konsole (no, it won't be permanent).
[01:01] <OxDeadC0de> can I make macros with konversation, like something that will automatically send /nick when my other nick finally times out?
[01:01] <noaXess> notriddle: and now?
[01:01] <Dr_willis> or use the nickserv ghost command. :)
[01:01] <notriddle> 0xDeadC0de: It should be able to do that in particular already.
[01:02] <notriddle> noaXess: Does it work?
[01:02] <noaXess> jep
[01:03] <notriddle> noaXess: Okay, let's see where /usr/lib/kde4 is being referenced. First, try running kmenuedit from Konsole.
[01:04] <OxDeadC0de> notriddle where's the option set? In identities? (Didn't see it anywhere in configure konver)
[01:04] <noaXess> notriddle: aha.. i see what you mean.. cause u had the 8.04 kde4 remix, all the kde4 apps referenced to /usr/lib/kde4/bin..
[01:05] <notriddle> noaXess: Yep. In Intrepid, they moved KDE4 from /usr/lib/kde4 to /usr. You have gunk lying around referencing /usr/lib/kde4.
[01:05] <noaXess> notriddle: how can i correct it?.. is there any way?
[01:06] <notriddle> noaXess: That depends on where it is.  Pull open kmenuedit and it should be relatively obvious how to fix it.
[01:07]  * notriddle is suspending.
[01:07] <noaXess> notriddle: is there a way to create the default kde4 menu?
[01:07] <noaXess> all the rest i can do i manually
[01:10] <noaXess> done..
[01:10] <noaXess> restore system menu
[01:11] <fatstuff> helllo does this work
[01:11] <fatstuff> anyone home
[01:14] <maxbaldwin> fatstuff: Yes. but you aren't here now.
[01:15] <szal> o0
[01:17] <ubuntu> ciao a tutti
[01:17] <ubuntu> what language is?
[01:17] <mister-tea> !it
[01:17] <szal> well, what do you expect? ;)
  you're a funny guys
[01:19] <mister-tea> ubottu is a bot
[01:19] <szal> I wonder who added the remark to right-click on the channel name to enter the channel..  I guess that's highly client-specific..
[01:20] <ubuntu> hhaahah figure..
[01:20] <PSiL0> anyone have the dustbin package for cairo-dock?
[01:21] <PSiL0> I installed it (and the plugins package) on kubuntu 8.10, and I don't see any applets
[01:21] <ubuntu> ubottu is a bot very colt
[01:21] <ubuntu> ubottu is a bot very intelligent
[01:22] <ubuntu> ubottu is a bot very good
[01:22] <ubuntu> ubottu is funny
[01:22] <szal> ubuntu: if you want to mess around w/ the bot, please do so in private message (a.k.a. query)
[01:22] <ubuntu> ok sorry
[01:27] <Spreadsheet> hello
[01:28] <Spreadsheet> so i got some non free drivers for broadcom and now i dont see anything for wireless
[01:28] <ptl> hope you're not excel
[01:28] <Spreadsheet> no
[01:28] <szal> o0
[01:28] <Spreadsheet> OO.O is default on kubuntu
[01:29] <szal> good night folks
[01:30] <ilham> hello. is there GUI app to make photo slide to dvd/vcd
[01:30] <courtjesterg> you mean to tell me all of you didn't know how t login as root when you know how to use nano?
[01:30] <courtjesterg> http://www.sizlopedia.com/2008/04/16/how-to-login-to-ubuntu-as-root-user/
[01:30] <courtjesterg> now i can delete and edit files with root permissions
[01:31] <OxDeadC0de> courtjesterg no we didn't tell you that, or imply that, we all know how to do it, but you do not need to login as root to use root, and it's better not to for security reasons
[01:32] <courtjesterg> yeah but i need to edit and delte files in root still need to delete files
[01:32] <Spreadsheet> anyone?
[01:32] <ubuntu> yea
[01:32] <ubuntu> tell me
[01:32] <courtjesterg> that is so much easier then have to find how to delete files in nano
[01:32] <courtjesterg> in root
[01:32] <Spreadsheet> theres a person called Ubuntu ?
[01:32] <OxDeadC0de> courtjesterg use sudo
[01:32] <OxDeadC0de> if you don't understand sudo, look it up
[01:33] <courtjesterg> ok so what is the command to delete files in the root folders
[01:33] <mister-tea> !sudo
[01:33] <OxDeadC0de> rm is the command to remove files
[01:33] <OxDeadC0de> sudo rm runs rm as root via isudo, sudo works with every single command
[01:33] <OxDeadC0de> s/isudo/sudo
[01:35] <ilham>  hello. is there GUI app to make photo slide to dvd/vcd
[01:36] <Spreadsheet> can anyone help me?
[01:36] <Spreadsheet> i got the broadcom driver but it doesnt work
[01:36] <Spreadsheet> i go to the network place and nothing shows up for wireless
[01:36] <OxDeadC0de> Spreadsheet which one, ndiswrapper+windows driver, or b43?
[01:36] <Spreadsheet> b43
[01:37] <courtjesterg> i get it now why root shouldn't be unlocked
[01:37] <OxDeadC0de> i use ndis/windows driver, it's faster, supports more of the cards features, and has less "little" problems (Scales speed less often, when it's scaled it stops transfering data for a second, very bad for real time audio streaming for example)
[01:38] <mister-tea> yea
[01:38] <Spreadsheet> hmm
[01:38] <noaXess> i have an link in my autostart folder that points to: ~/.kde/env/gtk-qt-engine.rc.sh
[01:38] <noaXess> is that normal?
[01:38] <Spreadsheet> on xubuntu and debian b43 worked fine
[01:38] <mister-tea> gotta love those factoids :-)
[01:39] <marco_> my notebook uses a 965GM as a video card, can I configure my monitor's default brightness when I start X?
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> noaXess: yes
[01:39] <mister-tea> Spreadsheet:  I used it with ubuntu but it was trouble
[01:40] <OxDeadC0de> b43 works for me too, dunno why it won't for you on 8.10 (I assume), but i stream audio a lot and can't stand it stuttering every minute
[01:40] <noaXess> JontheEchidna: whats about that?
[01:40] <Spreadsheet> i dont really stream audio
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> gtk-qt-engine, the theming engine for GTK app in KDE
[01:40] <OxDeadC0de> it will also affect bittorrent transfers, downloads, etc
[01:40] <Spreadsheet> huh
[01:40] <Spreadsheet> i torrented kubuntu fine too... on the b43 comp
[01:41] <Spreadsheet> :D
[01:41] <OxDeadC0de> didn't say it wont work, it will, fine for most people, but it will affect them
[01:41] <mister-tea> there's a how to for the b43 in the wiki
[01:41] <OxDeadC0de> and b43 doesn't support low power mode yet
[01:41] <Spreadsheet> ok
[01:41] <Spreadsheet> thanks
[01:44] <basy> hi, i have 2 separated disk partitions : [ / ]  and [ /home]. My root partition is going to be full soon because i install too stuff.... Are there any dirs like /tmp which i can clear ?
[01:46] <Spreadsheet> uhh wheres the package manager...
[01:47] <ptl> basy: that's what LVM is for, you should have installed right away with LVM
[01:47] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[01:47] <contrast> Anyone on Intrepid know a fix for the bug that causes the style to reset to Oxygen at every login?
[01:48] <noaXess> is kpilot gone from kde4.1.3?
[01:48] <ptl> is there such a bug?
[01:48] <ptl> Mine works without reverting back to Oxygen
[01:48] <ptl> contrast: KDE 4.1.3? Have you upgraded yet?
[01:48] <Spreadsheet> wheres the package manager?
[01:49] <ptl> adept is the name
[01:49] <ptl> adept-manager
[01:50] <contrast> ptl: yeah, i'm on 4.1.3
[01:50] <ptl> /usr/bin/adept
[01:50] <Spreadsheet> that looks like a add/remove software thing
[01:50] <contrast> sometimes it even resets to oxygen in the middle of a session. >=(
[01:50] <contrast> Spreadsheet: Adept Manager (under System)
[01:50] <Spreadsheet> how do i make it a actual package manager, like synaptic or something
[01:51] <Spreadsheet> hmm
[01:51] <Spreadsheet> OH
[01:51] <binMonkey> hi, guys.
[01:51] <contrast> Adept 2.0 is a big improvement, but Synaptic still feels a lot more efficient
[01:51] <contrast> !hi | binMonkey
[01:52] <rgreening> Spreadsheet: adept --help is your friend
[01:52] <binMonkey> are there tests i can run to see which is faster, fwcutter or ndiswrapper?
[01:53] <snarkster> anyone know why when i do lsb_release i dont get any information?
[01:54] <noaXess> !kpilot
[01:54] <rgreening> snarkster: cause lsb_release by itself is equivalent to lsb_release -v. Try running lsb_release --help and try other options
[01:55] <snarkster> oh duh thank you
[01:55] <rgreening> lsb_release -a
[01:55] <rgreening> :)
[01:55] <noaXess> does anybody know where's kpilot?
[01:56] <contrast> noaXess: according to "apt-cache search kpilot," it's not in the repos
[01:56] <noaXess> contrast: :(
[01:56] <contrast> one sec...
[01:57] <snarkster> http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=kpilot&btnG=Search
[01:57] <noaXess> snarkster: LOL
 there was alot showing so I figured give you the site
[01:57] <Dragnslcr> !info kpilot
[01:58] <mister-tea> noaXess: it doesnt appear to be included in ibex
[01:58] <mister-tea> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy-updates/utils/kpilot
[01:58] <noaXess> i see.. bad news..
[01:59] <noaXess> ok.. it's 03:00 in the morning.. and i need some sleep ;)..
[01:59] <noaXess> see ya later..
[01:59] <noaXess> bye
[02:01] <binMonkey> are there tests i can run to see which is faster, fwcutter or ndiswrapper?
[02:08]  * notriddle just un-suspended
[02:09] <notriddle> Dr_willis: Okay. I just returned from suspend. It seems like Konversation spent some time thinking it was still online before it properly reconnected. I'll disconnect before I suspend from now on.
[02:10] <willi_ballenthin> how can i install the bleeding edge development versions of the kde packages?
[02:10] <paulk> notriddle> thanks for testing suspend
[02:11] <notriddle> paulk: You're welcome.
[02:12] <Spreadsheet> hello
[02:12] <Spreadsheet> how do i use adept?
[02:12] <Spreadsheet> i cant find the package list
[02:12] <notriddle> willi_ballenthin: You could use Project Neon, though unfortunately they name their packages oddly.
[02:12] <willi_ballenthin> notriddle: thanks, i think i had kdelibs installed from there
[02:13] <willi_ballenthin> but i was looking for kdevelop4 and whatnot, and wasnt sure it was there
[02:13] <willi_ballenthin> ill look again
[02:13] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: In Adept Manager or Adept Installer (Menu->System->Adept Manager or Menu->Add/Remove programs).
[02:13] <Spreadsheet> hmm
[02:13] <notriddle> willi_ballenthin: I don't think kdevelop is.
[02:14] <Spreadsheet> i dont see that
[02:14] <Spreadsheet> i see Adept, View, and Help
[02:14] <willi_ballenthin> i suppose i coudl just spend a night checking out the entire subversion tree and compiling
[02:14] <willi_ballenthin> just wondered if there was an easier way
[02:14] <willi_ballenthin> thanks thouh
[02:15] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: In KMenu->Adept Installer Add/Remove software, the software list is easy to find and use.
[02:15] <paulk> spreadsheet> Applications Add/Remove software
[02:16] <Spreadsheet> i see
[02:16] <Spreadsheet> thanks
[02:17] <Spreadsheet> hmm i cant find irssi...
[02:17] <notriddle> willi_ballenthin: The subversion list is pretty well-organized. If you just want to use KDevelop, that should be all you need to check out.
[02:18] <willi_ballenthin> notriddle: thanks again, ill try that
[02:18] <Spreadsheet> nor can i find things like zsh...
[02:18] <Spreadsheet> i can find yakuake though...
[02:18] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: Perhaps you can use Adept Manager (Applications->System->Adept Manager - Package Manager). Adept Installer only lists some of the categorized packages meant to be listed there.
[02:19] <Spreadsheet> i see
[02:21] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: To get a list, click the box next to State (State: [ ])
[02:21] <Spreadsheet> k
[02:22] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: Oops, that gives installed packages. Click it again and then choose the one next to it.
[02:22]  * notriddle feels embarrased, though that is pretty bad interface design, I must say ;)
[02:23] <Spreadsheet> yeah
[02:23] <Spreadsheet> so i got zsh using apt-get ;)
[02:24] <Spreadsheet> last question: how do you set default shells?
[02:24] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: :P It's pretty bad when the CLI is easier than the GUI :)
[02:24] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: That's done with chsh.
[02:25] <keoki> Hi... has anyone has ubuntu installed on a Thinkpad R40?
[02:25] <notriddle> !chsh
[02:25] <keoki> I'm trying to look for a driver that can allow to use the s-video output
[02:25] <Spreadsheet> ok
[02:26] <notriddle> !chsh is the command used to CHange the login SHell.
[02:26] <notriddle> keoki: What video card do you have?
[02:27]  * notriddle will look it up if keoki doesn't know.
[02:28] <keoki> it's an ATI Radeon Mobile something
[02:29] <notriddle> !ati
[02:31] <keoki> thanks... I am on that now
[02:32] <notriddle> keoki: Your welcome (though ubottu helps me not have to remember the link ;).
[02:32] <ubuntu> hi
[02:33] <notriddle> ubuntu: hi.
[02:34] <ubuntu> hi notriddle :)
[02:49] <keoki> Hi again!! :p I just got into the ATI web site and downloaded the propietary drivers... now my question is... how I do Install it :p
[02:50] <paulk> what benefit is the Plasma Dashboard?
[02:50] <genii> keoki: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_restricted_drivers_manually
[02:50] <ubuntu> what's the plasma dashboard?
[02:50] <keoki> the name of the file is ati-driver-installer-8-11-x-86.x-86_64.run
[02:52] <keoki> thanks... I'll ask again if I get stuck :)
[02:53] <erick> hola
[02:54] <ubuntu> hiya
[02:54] <erick> que tal
[02:54] <genii> !es
[02:54] <erick> hi
[02:54] <erick> where are from
[02:54] <notriddle> keoki: Why can't you use the package (K Menu->(Applications->?)->
[02:55] <notriddle> keoki: Why can't you use the package (K Menu->(Applications->?)->System->Hardware Drivers?
[02:55] <genii> erick: We are from everywhere
[02:56] <ubuntu> <- from mars, just visting
[02:56] <erick> i from to mexico
[02:56] <erick> and yyou
[02:56] <paulk> ubuntu> There is an Icon on the panel next to volume control, when I click it Konversation disapears and at the top of the screen it says plasma dashboard
[02:57] <genii> erick: I am from Canada. Do you have a Kubuntu problem you need help with?
[02:57] <keoki> uh...maybe because is a Propietary Driver :)
[02:57] <keoki> I already tried the application installer :)
[02:58] <erick> i want now is update to kubuntu 8.4 self
[02:59] <keoki> is Kubuntu and Ubuntu the same?
[02:59] <erick> no diferent kubuntu is beter
[03:00] <genii> keoki: Underneath they use the same
[03:00] <erick> work with tow plataform
[03:00] <keoki> IC... it's just a friend installed ubuntu some time ago... and wanted (desperately) to try it out
[03:00] <keoki> so now I have half my disk with XP and the other half with Ubuntu
[03:01] <keoki> and really I am starting to get the hang of it
[03:01] <paulk> Kubuntu uses KDE GUI Ubuntu uses Gnome GUI
[03:01] <genii> keoki: They can: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop               if they want to install the kubuntu part of it
[03:02] <keoki> and only the graphic interface will be affected?
[03:02] <genii> keoki: When you have both Gnome and KDE installed, the menus can be confusing because they have all the items from both.
[03:03] <keoki> I just better stick with one then...
[03:04] <genii> If you have both and just want one see !puregnome or !purekde
[03:04] <paulk> have both with dual boot
[03:04] <genii> Yes, you could have separate partitions as well
[03:05] <genii> This is how I test 8.10 for instance although I am normally in 8.04
[03:05] <notriddle> keoki: There is no real difference, except that their interface is set up differently.
[03:05] <notriddle> !kde
[03:05] <notriddle> !gnome
[03:06]  * notriddle knows KDE provides a development platform, too.
[03:06] <notriddle> And for good measure...
[03:06] <notriddle> !xfce
[03:06] <keoki> I am just amateur... so what you guys recommend... I know you have your preferences but which one everyone agrees?
[03:07] <genii> Well, keep in mind this is #kubuntu and not #ubuntu so we are slanted for KDE ... ;)
[03:07] <notriddle> keoki: This is a bit biased, since people on #kubuntu probably use Kubuntu, and of course will recommend it. As my own example, I recommend Kubuntu to others.
[03:07] <keoki> ok... then after I finish installing the ATI drivers I can give a try.
[03:07] <keoki> Thanks everyone
[03:07] <notriddle> keoki: I recommend that, since they both provide a livecd, try them both...
[03:07] <notriddle> !livecd
[03:14] <radams> Is there a way to make widgets ONLY show when I press ctrl F12 to bring up the dashboard?
[03:17] <notriddle> radams: Aaron (aseigo) described a method before. I'll look it up.
[03:17] <radams> notriddle: tyvm
[03:19] <notriddle> radams: Here you go: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/09/howto-decoupling-dashboard-from-desktop.html.
[03:19] <Spreadsheet_> i enabled desktop effects and now i cant see anything...
[03:19] <Spreadsheet_> im in a virtual term now
[03:19] <radams> notriddle: great! thanks
[03:20] <Reed_Solomon> Spreadsheet, either compiz isn't working with your system, or you have enabled the new desktop effects feature "confusion distortion"
[03:20] <Reed_Solomon> but the latter is made up, so..
[03:20] <Spreadsheet_> its not compiz i think
[03:20] <Spreadsheet_> i was using Kubuntu, i think its KWin
[03:20] <Spreadsheet_> and i dont have the driver :O
[03:20] <Reed_Solomon> id try rebooting and using the last known working setup
[03:20] <radams> notriddle: what does "zoom out on the desktop" mean? I'm new to KDE 4...
[03:20] <Spreadsheet_> ok
[03:21] <Reed_Solomon> whats that called.. failsafe?
[03:21] <Reed_Solomon> anyways id give that a shot
[03:22] <keoki> I need to reebot... brb
[03:22] <administrador> alguien de chile??
[03:22] <notriddle> radams: Uh, oh. I forgot that they changed it in Kubuntu.
[03:23] <notriddle> !es
[03:23] <radams> notriddle: :( Yeah, I'm reading a guide right now that tells me I should see this in the cashew, and I don't
[03:24] <notriddle> radams: I'm looking for another way.
[03:25] <radams> notriddle: thanks. I'll keep poking around too
[03:26] <notriddle> radams: In .kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc, copy all the sections labeled [Containments][1], replacing the 1 with your favorite number that isn't already used.
[03:27] <notriddle> radams: This should make a new activity, AFAIK.
[03:27] <radams> notriddle: ok. why did they remove the add a new activity feature, btw? seems odd to take that out...
[03:29] <Spreadsheet> im on another comp now
[03:29] <Spreadsheet> i restarted
[03:29] <Spreadsheet> and now its nothing
[03:29] <Spreadsheet> is there a config file somewhere i can edit?
[03:29] <notriddle> radams: They considered it still only half-complete.
[03:30] <notriddle> radams: From here, you should be able to follow the guide.
[03:32] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: Explain.
[03:33] <Spreadsheet> so i went to desktop effects and enabled them, then it crashed (it was basically black, the desktop)
[03:33] <Spreadsheet> and i rebooted, now theres no wireless (probably because it needs the desktop or something) and it is still black in the desktop
[03:33] <ilham_> is there gui for conver photo to video
[03:34] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: Yep. In .kde/share/config/kwinrc, under the section labeled Compositing, set enabled to false.
[03:34] <Spreadsheet> ok
[03:34] <Spreadsheet> thanks
[03:34] <Spreadsheet> .kde in home folder?
[03:34] <Spreadsheet> ok
[03:35] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: Yep.
[03:35] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: In ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc.
[03:36] <Spreadsheet> thanks
[03:36] <Spreadsheet> i think itll work
[03:36] <LaserJock> I've got what I'd think would be a fairly simple question. In gnome I could use seahorse, gnome-keyring to save my ssh key passphrase. I can't seem to find a KDE equivalent. Any help?
[03:37] <genii> kwallet
[03:37] <notriddle> !kwallet
[03:38] <notriddle> genii: Note: Do you know of a way to use it with ssh?
[03:38] <genii> Yes
[03:38] <genii> http://www.pontohonk.de/kde/ssh.html
[03:39]  * notriddle thinks that is cool.
[03:48] <radams> notriddle: that didn't work. furthermore, I have noticed that kde never remembers my widget changes: it keeps basically restoring the defaults each reboot. has anyone seen that happen?
[03:50] <notriddle> radams: Oops. I hope you backed up your settings... or did it do that before.
[03:50] <radams> notriddle: it has done it since I installed
[03:50] <radams> notriddle: this is a test machine, so I don't care if I have to trash it to fix it, but I'd like my widgets to work :(
[03:50] <notriddle> radams: Make sure to close plasma (kquitapp plasma) before tweaking.
[03:50] <radams> notriddle: I did
[03:52] <notriddle> radams: Okay. I really don't know and was just getting ready for bed. You may be able to find someone to ask (though they may not like you for requiring it be done completely from the config file).
[03:59] <Dracari> got a quick question. durring Install of Kubuntu. i was never prompted to set an Root password, what would be the defaulted root password on an install via the "install on windows" option?
[04:00] <genii> !root
[04:00] <genii> Dracari: (K)ubuntu does not have a root password
[04:01] <Dracari> trying to use the Patched Nvida Drivers (180.06) and a friends telling me how but having to do it from a Text console not from within KDE
[04:01] <wolfjb> is there a way to use strigi in konqueror? how do I take advantage of Nepomuk? Where can I read about it? thanks
[04:04] <Dracari> ohh i see i nee dto do this while in a Console (be whiel in kde or at a Text Console login ( Sudo [putwhatsneeded here ]) lol i guess as they say "GIYF"
[04:05] <genii> Dracari: No, you need to do console login from kdm login
[04:12] <paulk> question> how do you get back to desktop environment from the console
[04:13] <wolfjb> paulk: alt-f7
[04:13] <Guest39139> alguien habla español??
[04:15] <QContinueum> hay un channel para espanol, yo no se que es, lo siento.
[04:16] <wolfjb> es
[04:16] <wolfjb> hmm
[04:16] <QContinueum>  #kubuntu-es
[04:16] <QContinueum> para espanol
[04:16] <alan> Can someone help me?
[04:17] <QContinueum> someone somwhere can, whether or not we can is another question. which also depends on the problem you're having... so why don't you just tell us and see if anyone knows?
[04:18] <alan> Well i can't seem to listen to any of my music,the Correct codecs are installed but when i press PLAY,i don't hear anything.
[04:21] <alan> Hold on
[04:21] <alan> i found what the problem was
[04:23] <mrg_> where exactly do i set kdm to startup automatically when booting up pls?  it's selected in runlevels 2-5 but it doesn't start on boot...
[04:26] <binMonkey> are there tests i can run to see which is faster, fwcutter or ndiswrapper?
[04:27] <wolfjb> mrg_: there should be a symlink in one of your runlevels (probably all of them) that says S30kdm, , then check /etc/event.d/rc-default to find which runlevel is the default one
[04:31] <rc> in spanish??
[04:31] <Guest24321> spanish??
[04:32] <Guest24321> Hello
[04:32] <QContinueum> #kubuntu-es
[04:32] <Guest24321> Iam install KDE fron ubuntu
[04:32] <Guest24321> iam install via apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[04:32] <tin> binMonkey: ndiswrapper is just that, a wrapper
[04:32] <QContinueum> #kubuntu-es is para espanol
[04:32] <Guest24321> but in KDE iam not have administrate rights
[04:33] <tin> that's an extra step to take on every network operation
[04:33] <binMonkey> tin: i don't understand.
[04:34] <courtjesterg> looking for a gcc resporator for adept been to the site but sv and such its confusing to know what they are actually talking about and wether i might screw up my addept again does anyone have the link for gcc to put in adept?
[04:34] <tin> binMonkey: fwcutter grabs the firmware from the device so the driver can use it
[04:34] <mrg_> wolfjb: i can't tell what the default is from my config file.. but i've set it from 2-5 for good measure and still nothing.  someone told me to check for a setting for a default login manager that may be overriding this setting?
[04:35] <tin> just because the firmware can't be distibuted with the drivers
[04:35] <courtjesterg> also does anyone know where i can get red hats package manager from
[04:35] <binMonkey> tin: so there should be no difference between the two?
[04:35] <tin> where ndiswrapper puts a layer around the windows driver so the linux kernel can talk to it
[04:35] <wolfjb> mrg_: that would be found in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[04:35] <courtjesterg> trying to build alien so i can covert some files
[04:35] <tin> that extra layer is going to take cpu cycles
[04:35] <tin> and time (and memory)
[04:36] <tin> in other words, use fwcutter if you can
[04:36] <binMonkey> tin: oooooook.  so ndiswrapper might use more resources but it could also be faster?
[04:37] <binMonkey> it seems faster to me.
[04:37] <tin> if the native driver is really bad, perhaps it might be
[04:37] <mrg_> wolfjb: you sure know you way around all these configs. thanks :) i'll try restarting in a bit to test it out.  btw, have another question, if you don't mind..
[04:38] <tin> but those extra resources that ndiswrapper uses include cpu time for the extra layers
[04:38] <wolfjb> mrg_: don't mind at all
[04:39] <mrg_> wolfjb: the icons in the system tray on my main panel have a white square background behind that is totally killing my bar's mojo... how can i fix that (i'm pretty sure that wasn't a problem before)
[04:39] <tin> there may be no speed difference at cpu idle, but say with a game going, and decoding a complex movie from a file share
[04:39] <mr---t-> !rpm
[04:39] <tin> s/and/or
[04:40] <martyd> as opposed to an 'alien package' du-dum-chshhhhh
[04:40] <courtjesterg> is there another way  to convert cause i've grabiing info and files download to just convert this file
[04:40] <wolfjb> mrg_: hmm... not sure, they have to have transparent backgrounds...
[04:40] <mrg_> wolfjb: not all of the icons actually.. but the ones that do have the white background (that shouldn't) = speaker, clipboard, network, and HPprinter icons
[04:40] <courtjesterg> want to convert rpm to dep
[04:40] <courtjesterg> deb
[04:41] <binMonkey> tin: ok.  what if i buy a wireless card?  i can set my laptop up to ignore my builtin card and use the pcmcia or usb wireless, right?
[04:41] <wolfjb> mrg_: yeah, mine are black, bzr is white, kinda annoying
[04:41] <mr---t-> !alien
[04:41] <tin> i suppose
[04:41] <mr---t-> hmmm same factoid
[04:41] <wolfjb> mrg_: maybe change your icon theme? don't really know on that one
[04:42] <tin> i had a builtin ethernet and a pci wireless in one machine, and it worked fine both on wired and the wireless
[04:42] <tin> even worked with both going
[04:42] <courtjesterg> !alien
[04:42] <mr---t-> what's the package?
[04:42] <courtjesterg> !jre
[04:43] <tin> but i think the wireless card's driver sucked and did a lot in cpu, because i couldn't even run remote X apps over a 54 Mbps connection
[04:43] <binMonkey> tin: were yours broadcoms?
[04:43] <tin> the wireless is
[04:43] <tin> the wired was i dunno
[04:43] <courtjesterg> yeah this has been the whole point trying to install java dev with beans and i can't its an ml.sh file
[04:43] <tin> wired was nvidia in this case
[04:44] <binMonkey> and you did well with fwcutter.  hmmm.  my 4318 seems to hate fwcutter.
[04:44] <courtjesterg> so went to install another jaave with is an rpm
[04:44] <courtjesterg> which
[04:44] <courtjesterg> !courtjesterg
[04:44] <courtjesterg> lol
[04:45] <courtjesterg> !nvidia
[04:45] <mr---t-> courtjesterg: so what's the problem?
[04:46] <courtjesterg> i went to sun site to download java dev with beans included with the runtimes and everything
[04:46] <courtjesterg> all i got was a limux-ml.sh file that opens in kate
[04:46] <mr---t-> you can't do it that way
[04:46] <courtjesterg> so i dunno what to do with this file
[04:47] <courtjesterg> so i went to another site with java thinking i can just install but it was rpm file and another was a .bin file
[04:47] <courtjesterg> maybe the sun site could over write
[04:47] <mr---t-> the wiki link you listed above is quite complete on the subject
[04:48] <courtjesterg> been trying to build alien so i can covert rpm to deb files
[04:48] <mr---t-> what's wrong with using ubuntu java
[04:49] <courtjesterg> but i need to res link for adept to either directly dl redhate package manager and also gcc res for adept
[04:49] <courtjesterg> its not a dev and doesn't have beans
[04:50] <courtjesterg> developers kit with beans included
[04:50] <courtjesterg> and the runtime libary
[04:50] <courtjesterg> also the fact i still need gcc so i can do compileing
[04:51] <courtjesterg> !gcc
[04:54] <binMonkey> tin: would ndiswrapper show up in htop?  would it be called ndiswrapper?
[04:55] <tin> no idea, i only used it for a bit once
[04:55] <courtjesterg> !redhat
[04:56] <courtjesterg> !package managers
[04:56] <courtjesterg> !ubottu
[04:57] <courtjesterg> its been years since i used irc actually
[04:57] <binMonkey> !ndiswrapper
[04:57] <courtjesterg> !tolietpaper
[04:58] <courtjesterg> !faust
[04:58] <courtjesterg> !bill gates
[04:58] <courtjesterg> ccome on
[04:59] <courtjesterg> !pamela anderson lee
[04:59] <courtjesterg> ok back to work
[05:00] <binMonkey> !birthin' no babies!
[05:01] <binMonkey> !birthin'nobabies!
[05:01] <binMonkey> dang.
[05:01] <MinusSeven> A program is only as smart as the person who programs it
[05:02] <courtjesterg> !font bug
[05:02] <courtjesterg> !196 drivers nivida
[05:03] <courtjesterg> !ark
[05:04] <courtjesterg> !msexpand
[05:04] <courtjesterg> !qt 4
[05:04] <courtjesterg> !root
[05:05] <courtjesterg> password is sudo i bet you
[05:05] <courtjesterg> i know it is
[05:06] <courtjesterg> !kate
[05:07] <courtjesterg> !logitech
[05:07] <wolfjb> anyone use strigi successfully in intrepid?
[05:07] <courtjesterg> !strigi
[05:07] <wolfjb> dolphin doesn't find any files when I check the box indicating to use indexs
[05:08] <wolfjb> and strigi:/ in knoqueror doesn't work (unknown protocol)
[05:08] <courtjesterg> !knoqueror
[05:08] <wolfjb> checking the plugin in the run-command tool finds things, but clicking on them gives 'bad/malformed url' error
[05:09] <courtjesterg> what scanning for plug in in tthe k browser
[05:13] <mrg_> wolfjb: sry had to go tend to something... thanks for your help before.  good night.
[05:13] <courtjesterg> notice when seqarching found i can actually download alien but the alien site has a newer version
[05:14] <courtjesterg> gcc even hasa  new version also\
[05:15] <heato> Hello,  I am working on hardy trying to enable dual monitors with multi head card.  The comp boots with both mon working but I loose one at the login.  I can configure the second in the invidia x server settings window under "system" but when I try to save the settings and merge the file [ /etc/x11/xorg.conf] I get an "unable to create" message.  Ihave 3 backup files in the folder and have tried to delete them but no luck!  Any suggestions!
[05:23] <courtjesterg> heato you can't delete them caause they are in your root folder you don't have permission
[05:24] <courtjesterg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[05:24] <courtjesterg> http://www.debianadmin.com/enable-and-disable-ubuntu-root-password.html
[05:27] <binMonkey> !opengl
[05:36] <bdizzle> hey, where would I go for help on OpenOffice?
[05:36] <bdizzle> !openoffice
[05:44] <courtjesterg> !1k
[05:44] <courtjesterg> !k
[05:45] <courtjesterg> !k development
[05:45] <courtjesterg> !kde
[05:47] <bdizzle> hi
[05:47] <courtjesterg> it is so funny how synaptic has more stuff then adept for download why is it?
[05:48] <bdizzle> I'm trying to write a paper that requires the page number in the top right hand corner of each page, except the title page
[05:48] <bdizzle> I've figured out how to put in a header and page number, as usual
[05:48] <bdizzle> but I cannot figure out how to get it to skip that first page and start page #1 on the actual #2 page
[05:48] <courtjesterg> now thats interesting when was the last time i wrote a paper thats a novel
[05:49] <Whef> Anyone here think they can help me install Java for Firefox on my Kubuntu partition?
[05:49] <courtjesterg> think people should make it a habit after you get done with a book make a book report
[05:49] <bdizzle> lol
[05:49] <courtjesterg> thats easy either dowload from site or use adept\
[05:50] <Whef> What's the adept thing called?
[05:50] <courtjesterg> !adept
[05:50] <Whef> I already know how to use adept.
[05:50] <condon> Anybody got the know-how, time and patience to help me get xvidcap working?
[05:50] <Whef> I meant what's the package called?
[05:50] <courtjesterg> !xvidcap
[05:50] <courtjesterg> whast xvidcap?
[05:51] <condon> Guess that's a no :)
[05:51] <courtjesterg> just type in java or type in firefox the sun plugin works with firefox
[05:51] <condon> It's a program to record your screen
[05:51] <courtjesterg> i usually scroll down after i type in something and read everything to understand in every catorgorie
[05:52] <Whef> There are like a million different packages for Java.
[05:52] <courtjesterg> ohh i believe you already have that in you desktop effects advace
[05:52] <bdizzle> any advice on OOo Writer?
[05:52] <courtjesterg> you just need to assign a keyboard shortcut
[05:52] <condon> bdizzle, what about?
[05:53] <Whef> Anyone know what Adept packages I need in order to get Java working properly on applets in Firefox>?
[05:53] <bdizzle> I'm trying to figure out how to modify the header so that it skips the first page
[05:53] <bdizzle> essentially, the first page is the title page with no header, the rest of it has a header with my last name and the page number, starting with "1" on the "second" page
[05:54] <courtjesterg> in desktop settings enable effect all effects tab go to misc
[05:54] <condon> ah, good question.
[05:55] <courtjesterg> desktop settings are in system setting i've had so much fun in there with the snow
[05:55] <Whef> Ummm... Can anyone help me now? I tried installing Java and all I get is a big grey squar.
[05:55] <bdizzle> any ideas?
[05:55] <condon> playing in oo now
[05:56] <Whef> Now every time a Java applet comes up Firefox crashes...
[05:56] <Whef> *sigh*
[05:56] <courtjesterg> u like flip switch
[05:57] <courtjesterg> try installing flash
[05:57] <condon> bdizzle, I don't see anything that would compensate for what you're looking for, though that doesn't mean it's not capable, just that I'm not :)
[05:57] <courtjesterg> !flash
[05:57] <courtjesterg> !java
[05:57] <condon> Best I could say is if you're printing the project, make two documents, your tittle page, then the document itself.  just print them seperately.
[05:58] <condon> I understand that does little good if you're publishing online or submitting online
[05:58] <courtjesterg> !firefox
[05:58] <condon> Only other means I can see is to manually number them, then it really sucks if you edit and change the document by so much as a single line
[05:59] <mot__> hey, anybody else having a problem with newer dvds crashing your media programs when you try to play them?
[05:59] <courtjesterg> !dvd
[05:59] <mot__> something about newer dvds having a different encryption
[05:59] <condon> nope
[05:59] <mot__> strange.
[06:00] <condon> not so far anyway
[06:00] <mot__> i just encountered my first dvd which apparently has new encryption
[06:00] <mot__> that libdvdnav can't handle
[06:00] <condon> no update to libdvdnav?
[06:00] <mot__> nope
[06:00] <courtjesterg> !cd/rewrite
[06:00] <condon> hm.  What's the movie?
[06:00] <PSiL0> hmmm, regarding firefox, has anyone managed to open their downloaded file in dolphin from ff's downloads menu?
[06:00] <mot__> condon: leatherheads
[06:00] <courtjesterg> !cdburner
[06:00] <mot__> very new.
[06:00] <mot__> courtjesterg, stop.
[06:01] <mot__> courtjesterg, seriously, if you don't know the answer to a very specific question don't just query the bot, the spam is annoying.
[06:01] <courtjesterg> u was trying to answer my question
[06:01] <courtjesterg> i
[06:01] <condon> PSiL0 - the little box that shows all your recent downloads?
[06:01] <PSiL0> condon: yup
[06:01] <courtjesterg> my cdburner still doesn't read cd's for some odd reason
[06:01] <Whef> Lovely time to run out of disk space.
[06:01] <Whef> LOVELY. TIME.
[06:01] <courtjesterg> sense i installed the os
[06:02] <condon> I haven't been able to.  I just open the containing directory from  the menu and navigate to it.
[06:02] <Whef> Anyone know how I can partition some space off from my C:\ drive and put it onto my Linux partition while on Linux?
[06:02] <PSiL0> condon: same here... :(
[06:03] <PSiL0> I tried some of the tips offered from the ubuntu forum to no avail
[06:03]  * PSiL0 is missing some of his right click action
[06:03] <Whef> Anyone know how I can partition some space off from my C:\ drive and put it onto my Linux partition while on Linux?
[06:03] <bdizzle> UGH
[06:03] <bdizzle> now I have it as every other page working
[06:03] <martyd> @Whef, can't you install gparted and resize things?
[06:04] <mot__> Whef, nope, you have to boot into windows to do that safely
[06:04] <mot__> not safely
[06:04] <martyd> if your C drive is NTFS you might be out of luck
[06:04] <condon> lol, it's numbering every other page?
[06:04] <Whef> Yeah umm, about that. I can't run Windows anymore due to the fact my RAM died on me so I can only get on my Kubuntu partition 'cause it uses less RAM.
[06:04] <martyd> or it will be complicated. (go into windows, shrink C: , get back into linux,enlarge it
[06:04] <PSiL0> yeah, best to boot back up into windows, defrag, then shrink
[06:04] <PSiL0> what martyd just said
[06:05] <PSiL0> well, RAM is so cheap these days, heh
[06:05] <martyd> does windows support resizing natively? i've never been able to do it from the Admin panel
[06:05] <condon> omg, you're not kidding
[06:05] <martyd> always had to use partitionmagic
[06:05] <Whef> Windows Vista does.
[06:05] <martyd> ah ok
[06:05] <Whef> But I can't DUE TO:
[06:05] <PSiL0> computermanagement->disk management
[06:05] <Whef> Yeah umm, about that. I can't run Windows anymore due to the fact my RAM died on me so I can only get on my Kubuntu partition 'cause it uses less RAM.
[06:05] <condon> my first computer was $100 per meg of ram...good ol' days
[06:05] <PSiL0> right click city..
[06:06] <martyd> hmmm can partitionmagic make a bootdisk? or book to a livecd with gparted on it?
[06:06] <PSiL0> my first computer had 1MB of ram (286 AT) and we liked it!
[06:06] <Whef> Anyone know how to fix it when Adept crashes during installing a program and then when you boot it back up it says it's already in use so you say try to automatically fix it and then it crashes when doing that?
[06:06] <martyd> lol, i had 32MB....yungun
[06:06] <condon> I loved our first PC :) even though it was outdated 3 months later, couldn't play a single game coming out on the market (started off at 386
[06:06] <PSiL0> lol
[06:06] <condon> w/ 4 megs of ram and a 4x cdrom
[06:07] <condon> Wolfenstein was the shisnit
[06:07] <PSiL0> hey, so long as my 286 could play monkey islands 1 & 2, I was happy
[06:07] <Whef> Your computers will never beat the guy who has Linux on his watch.
[06:07] <condon> Commander Keen baby
[06:07] <condon> And Duke Nukem before he went 3-d
[06:07] <PSiL0> firing up scummvm makes me all nostalgic..
[06:07] <Whef> Hmmm... I wonder if you could hack an iPhone and get Linux on it... that would be awesome.
[06:08] <courtjesterg> h
[06:08] <Whef> Anyone know how to fix it when Adept crashes during installing a program and then when you boot it back up it says it's already in use so you say try to automatically fix it and then it crashes when doing that?
[06:08] <condon> I'm sure of it Whef
[06:08] <martyd> reboot?
[06:08] <courtjesterg> !Kinyarwanda
[06:08] <condon> Kinyarwanda?
[06:08] <PSiL0> you can try to kill it using ctrl-esc
[06:09] <Whef> PSILO, THANK YOU, FINALLY THE LINUX EQUIVILENT TO THE TASK MANAGER!
[06:09] <PSiL0> stoopid bot
[06:09] <Whef> I'm forever in your debt.
[06:09] <PSiL0> hey, I found out about it today playing with it
[06:09] <condon> Yeah, except with linux, when you kill something, usually it dies
[06:09]  * PSiL0 is a reformed windoze dude
[06:09] <Whef> Uhh, psilo, it says permission denied, how do I run it as root?
[06:10] <PSiL0> I was learning csh back during the days of navigating aroudn the web using lynx
[06:10] <PSiL0> shit, I remember visiting yahoo's standford page using lynx back in those days
[06:10] <Whef> LOL. That reminds me, Yahoo is soooo screwed.
[06:10] <Whef> I always hated Yahoo anyways...
[06:11] <Whef> They should have taken Microsofts' offer.
[06:11] <bdizzle> hah! I think I got it
[06:11] <PSiL0> sad to see what it became... actually, I used that line for that company far too many times to remember
[06:11] <holycow> anything that impedes ms is a win imho
[06:11] <holycow> yahoo isn't over tho
[06:11] <holycow> you guys are writing it off based on a few nonsense article snippets
[06:12] <holycow> the fact is all internet companies are overvalued
[06:12] <holycow> especially google
[06:12] <PSiL0> heh, I kind of wished ms bought yahoo.. just adding more water to a sinking ship
[06:12] <Whef> Nah, I hate the entire layout of Yahoo.   (Ctrl + Esc)
[06:13] <PSiL0> http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/157/kill-process-with-care/
[06:13] <PSiL0> google is your friend
[06:13] <holycow> i think yahoo has an opportunity to really do some interesting stuff simply because ms and google clearly cannot do everything well
[06:13] <Whef> Well, I have to say you sure are talking crap about Google when they've accomplished FAR more than Yahoo.
[06:14] <PSiL0> you can get the PID# from ctrl-esc
[06:14] <holycow> all google has ever made money off of is adsense on their search engine
[06:14] <holycow> not a single one of their other products does anything for them
[06:14] <PSiL0> wow, what a round about way of quiting a program
[06:14] <holycow> they are all engineers experiments at the expense of shareholders
[06:14] <Whef> @PSILO, what's the run command for the task manager thing?
[06:14] <holycow> i like experiments and i like freeloading
[06:15] <Whef> Yeah, but holycow clearly their focus isn't on these otherthings.
[06:15] <PSiL0> you mean system monitor?
[06:15] <Whef> Besides, I love GMail. And GTalk, thank you very much.
[06:15] <martyd> i think he does
[06:15] <holycow> but thats not to say google has a clue about how to market and pull products together.  their whole gmail+google docs is such a boondogle i'm astounded no one has written anything on this
[06:15] <Whef> @psilo, yes.
[06:15] <holycow> Whef: thats what i mean, thats not their skill
[06:15] <holycow> i'm thinking that yahoo has some space to play there
[06:15] <holycow> its not over yet
[06:15] <martyd> i use gmail and googledocs is great for all my university projects because of the collaboration
[06:15] <holycow> martyd: you are a single person
[06:15] <martyd> and it exports to doc, pdf, odt etc
[06:16] <martyd> no
[06:16] <martyd> i'm in multiple groups lol
[06:16] <holycow> *sigh*
[06:16] <martyd> of people who use it :P
[06:16] <PSiL0> ummm, dunno... it is under K->system if that means anything to you..
[06:16] <holycow> i run i.t. for a good number of companies
[06:16] <Whef> ****SIGH****
[06:16] <PSiL0> I just started using kubuntu this week
[06:16] <holycow> i can tell you exactly how many of them liked their google docs or cal experience
[06:16] <holycow> exactly zero
[06:16] <holycow> they all went back to exchange of all things
[06:16] <PSiL0> although, working around the unix shell is kind of like riding a bike... It is all coming back to me..
[06:16] <holycow> even though they all hate exchange
[06:17] <martyd> because they think computers exist to run MS Office :P
[06:17] <holycow> don't get me wrong, i like google, but lets give yahoo a bit of breathing room
[06:17] <PSiL0> the same info can be had from ctrl-esc
[06:17] <holycow> martyd, well you can respond to it like a first year cs student, or you can look at like the clients:  all of them hated the experience because the experience of using all of those tools sucked
[06:18] <Whef> But honestly holycow (dude, are you a Hindu or what? Because they believe if you die the best thing you can come back as is a sacrade cow), do you think it was a wise decision for Yahoo to turn up that offer from Microsoft?
[06:18] <holycow> google are the good guys, but they aren't marketing people clearly.  yahoo has lots of opportunity there
[06:18] <PSiL0> whef: ksysguard %U
[06:18] <holycow> i'd say the answer depend on how long term you look
[06:18] <holycow> within the next five years, yeah take the money and run
[06:19] <holycow> look 5 years and beyond
[06:19] <martyd> live.yahoo.com and answers.yahoo.com is all yahoo has going for them now
[06:19] <holycow> i think yahoo can do a lot of damage
[06:19] <holycow> actually no
[06:19] <holycow> yahoo has their advertising network going for them that makes a good chunk of cash
[06:19] <Whef> Even at that they can't maintain answeres.yahoo.com because it's constantly being abused.
[06:19] <holycow> neither live nor answers makes any money
[06:19] <holycow> those are just interesting projects people like
[06:19] <condon> so sudo ksysguard
[06:19] <martyd> then why do i see ads? :(
[06:20] <holycow> well okay good point :)
[06:20] <martyd> what do you think they'll develop/create going forward?
[06:21] <condon> Whef, have you gotten your adept stopped?
[06:21] <Whef> @Condon, no, I'm still struggling, last time this was a bitch to fix >:|
[06:21] <PSiL0> yeah, do what condon said
[06:22] <martyd> @whef, what have you tried?
[06:22] <holycow> well i don't know.  but then, no one saw google comming in 2k
[06:22] <Whef> sudo ksysguard?
[06:22] <holycow> not even microsoft saw that you can make that much money on a search engine
[06:22] <condon> Whef, from terminal, type "sudo killall adept" then enter password
[06:22] <Whef> Is that what you said?
[06:22] <Whef> Ah
[06:22] <condon> or yes, sudo ksysguard may work
[06:23] <Whef> sudo ksysguard didn't work, and when I put in "sudo killall adept" it said "adept: no process killed".
[06:23] <condon> hm...
[06:23] <Whef> Yet it still says "Database Locked - Adept Manager" thing when launching Adept.
[06:23] <condon> and typeing sudo adept from terminal won't open up a usable session?
[06:23] <condon> ah
[06:24] <Whef> Maybe I just need to restart my computer?
[06:24] <PSiL0> hmm
[06:24] <holycow> btw... high five on the ctrl /esc bit
[06:24] <holycow> lol
[06:25] <martyd> that should almost certainly help
[06:25] <holycow> thats just priceless i didn't know that
[06:25] <PSiL0> I rarely use adept anymore.... I use either apt-get or synaptics
[06:25] <condon> hold on 1 sec Whef
[06:25] <Whef> Okay, thanks.
[06:25] <holycow> the adept fellow worked hard on the kde4 port
[06:25] <holycow> give him a bit of credit :)
[06:25] <PSiL0> holycow:  I think I was banging on keys when I stumbled across it...
[06:25] <holycow> it will get better, but yes synaptic is really quite a piece of work
[06:25] <holycow> PSiL0: lol awesome
[06:26] <Whef> Adept is a God send after you're done mangling withWindows.
[06:26] <PSiL0> true story :)
[06:26] <holycow> Whef: lol
[06:26] <Whef> ...  I'm lost.
[06:28] <holycow> and not end up with a 4 inch bezel, 400 extra buttons and 63 led's on it.
[06:28] <Whef> xP
[06:29] <PSiL0> hmm, apple must pay their sweatshop workers double then ;)
[06:29] <holycow> probably less
[06:29] <Whef> ...  LOL.
[06:32] <Whef> That sounds like something only APPLE could come up with.
[06:33] <holycow> so the kb is on a permanent angled incline, so now i haveto machine away that part
[06:33] <holycow> oh well but at least i can now type without having my
[06:33] <holycow> |\ keys moved around and such
[06:33] <holycow> Whef: dude, you got it right
[06:33] <holycow> its absolutely some design dweeb going 'wouldn't it be great if' ...
[06:33] <holycow> lol
[06:34] <Whef> It's what's his face... the Bill Gates equivilent for Apple
[06:34] <Whef> Crap, I forget his name
[06:34] <martyd> God?
[06:34] <Whef> ...
[06:34] <martyd> Barack?
[06:34] <Whef> Far from it.
[06:34] <Whef> Lol.
[06:34] <martyd> oh steve jobs lol
[06:34] <Whef> Yeah
[06:34] <martyd> :P
[06:34] <Whef> It's probably Steve Jobs daughter's ideas that go into that designing.
[06:34] <holycow> hehe
[06:34] <martyd> pft they never have to work
[06:35] <condon> Whef - In terminal type                    ps -A | grep "adept"
[06:35] <condon> let me know if gives any results
[06:36] <Whef> condon: It didn't have any results in the terminal, but on the Adept Manager I got the same error :\
[06:36] <condon> Yeah, I'd say your best bet is to reboot.  There's nothing running but it's still hung
[06:36] <Whef> Alright
[06:36] <Whef> I'll probably be bake
[06:36] <Whef> back*
[06:36] <Whef> If I remember how to get to this channel...
[06:36] <Whef> Lol.
[06:37] <Whef> *poof* and he's gone.
[06:37] <condon> should be default in konversation if you're on kubuntu :)
[06:37] <martyd> it's default for me and i'm in gnome :s
[06:38] <holycow> sudo apt-gert remove --purge brain?
[06:38] <holycow> *giggle*
[06:38] <holycow> i need to stop drinking
[06:38] <holycow> :)
[06:39] <condon> lol, na
[06:39] <JediatNight> hi all
[06:39] <condon> not at all.  Just don't forget to reinstall once purged
[06:39] <condon> hi jedia
[06:39] <martyd> rm alcohol -i
[06:39] <JediatNight> hey condon
[06:39] <holycow> martyd: hehe
[06:41] <Whef> Back.
[06:41] <Whef> So that didn't work.
[06:41] <Whef> I still get the same Adept error.
[06:41] <condon> sudo apt-get remove adept :)
[06:41] <Whef> ... Lol.
[06:41] <Whef> How will I get it back?
[06:41] <condon> sudo apt-get install adept
[06:41] <courtjesterg> odd i am looking in synaptic manager right now for nvidia i have the 177 installed it said this must be default!!
[06:41] <Whef> ... so you can use adept to reget adept?!
[06:42] <courtjesterg> i should be using 96
[06:42] <condon> Please don't try
[06:42] <courtjesterg> but haaas the font bug
[06:42] <courtjesterg> my x seerver isn't up either
[06:42] <Whef> condon: We have a problem.
[06:42] <Whef> echolink1833: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[06:43] <Whef> wtf
[06:43] <Whef> Why did it default to echolink...
[06:43] <Whef> E:
[06:43] <condon> what's 'dpkg --configure -a' report?
[06:43] <Whef> I thought you were the smart one >.<"
[06:43] <condon> lol, never claimed to be.  What does it sayu when you 'dpkg --configure -a'?
[06:44] <Whef> Got it
[06:44] <Whef> Ihad to do that then remove adept
[06:44] <bazhang> Whef, run that command with sudo
[06:44] <Whef> Yeah.
[06:44] <Whef> Idid.
[06:44] <condon> ah, unlock it?
[06:44] <bazhang> Whef, what error are you getting exactly with adept
[06:45] <Whef> Umm
[06:45] <condon> sudo killall adept apt apt-get -9
[06:45] <Whef> IT WORKS NOW
[06:45] <Whef> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[06:45] <condon> try that if all else...nevermind :)
[06:45] <condon> how'd you fix it?
[06:45] <Whef> Umm
[06:45] <Whef> No idea.
[06:45] <condon> lol
[06:45] <Whef> It came as quick as it went.
[06:45] <condon> I love that
[06:45] <Whef> And went as quick as it came.
[06:45] <condon> If only my divorce were like that
[06:46] <bazhang> !offtopic
[06:46] <Whef> LOL.
[06:46] <Whef> Well, obviously condon's wife was a Ubuntu computer.
[06:46] <Whef> And he remarried to a Kubuntu.
[06:46] <Whef> Therefor it's ontopic.
[06:46] <bazhang> please take chit chat to #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:47] <bazhang> Whef, no.
[06:47] <Whef> Hahahha, that was great. "Whef, no." Okay, I'll stop now, until I reach my next problem...which won't be long.
[06:48] <condon> xtoffmpeg.c add_video_stream(): video codec not found
[06:48] <condon> bazhang, any ideas here?
[06:48] <condon> or anyone else?
[06:48] <bazhang> condon, what are you trying to do
[06:48] <condon> using xvidcap
[06:49] <Whef> Next problem: Whenever I load a Java applet on a website Firefox crashes.
[06:49] <condon> can only capture in mpeg1 - and ONLY when my cursor is over the menu for xvidcap
[06:49] <bazhang> Whef, which site or sites
[06:49] <condon> if the cursor isn't over the menu, nothing is captured.  Trying to capture full screen like all those nice kubuntu videos on youtube to show my cousin while he needs linux
[06:50] <Whef> Well actually I was just testing it on the RuneScape one because I know for a fact that uses Java.
[06:50] <bazhang> condon, you are trying to do a screencast? you may wish to try some others
[06:50] <condon> suggestion?
[06:50] <bazhang> !screencast
[06:51] <Whef> Let me ask this: What adept packages are needed in order to get Java web applets to work?
[06:51] <bazhang> kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:52] <Whef> That's it?
[06:52] <bazhang> !java
[06:53] <bazhang> the extras package will install the java plugin in your browser
[06:53] <Whef> Sweet! Well then f all this other stuff
[06:53] <bazhang> using konqueror?
[06:53] <Whef> I'll report back once I have all the other stuff uninstalled and test this.
[06:53] <Whef> I'm using Firefox.
[06:54] <Whef> Does that make a difference?
[06:54] <bazhang> that'll do it then
[06:54] <bazhang> konq sometimes has troubles
[06:54] <Whef> Ah
[06:54] <Whef> Okay
[06:56] <Whef> CRAP.
[06:56] <Whef> So apparently I can't download anything more.
[06:57] <Whef> Due to the fact that I'm OUT OF DISK SPACE
[06:57] <Whef> EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A 100 GB'S LEFT ON C:\
[06:57] <condon> eh, you don't want windows, just format it
[06:57] <Whef> Idid.
[06:57] <Whef> I've formatted it.
[06:57] <condon> and still can't access it?
[06:57] <Whef> I can.
[06:58] <Whef> But It's not on my Lunix partition.
[06:58] <Whef> So Adept isn't going to use it.
[06:58] <condon> can't bounce some music or video files over to it to make room for adept to install?
[06:58] <Whef> I don't have any music or video files >.>
[06:59] <Whef> Basically all I have are Adept packages.
[06:59] <JediatNight> any ops here?
[06:59] <Whef> What's the best way to move 5GB's of space from a completely formatted C:\ drive to a Linux partition?
[07:00] <JediatNight> Whef: which OS are you running?
[07:00] <Whef> Right now? Linux.
[07:00] <Whef> Kubuntu.
[07:00] <JediatNight> Kubuntu can access NTFS or FAT32 partitions
[07:00] <Whef> Yeah, it's an NTFS.
[07:01] <JediatNight> why can you use Dolphin to access the files ?
[07:01] <Whef> Because Adept won't use the space on my C:\ drive.
[07:02] <Whef> Is there any program for Linux to resize/redistribute Partitions?
[07:02] <JediatNight> are you  moving data from an NTFS partition to an ext3 or ext2 partition assuming that is your linux partition ?
[07:03] <Whef> I'm not moving data, I'm just moving 5GBs of free space over to my ext3 Linux partition.
[07:03] <Whef> And the 5gigs is coming from NTFS, yes.
[07:03] <PSiL0> I had the case of the mysteriously shrinking /root this morning
[07:03] <PSiL0> turns out to be hefty log files at /var/log
[07:03] <Whef> I wish that was my case. I could use the extra space.
[07:03] <PSiL0> or /var/logs
[07:03] <Whef> Lol.
[07:03] <PSiL0> forgot..
[07:04] <PSiL0> you can type: sudo apt-get autoclean
[07:04] <JediatNight> i could see an NTFS partiton with Dolphin , the file manager
[07:04] <PSiL0> sudo apt-get autoremoval
[07:04] <PSiL0> sudo apt-get clean
[07:04] <JediatNight> and you can copy the data with it
[07:04] <PSiL0> to remove old/unused packages from the install process
[07:05] <Whef> Psilo: Neither of those commands worked.
[07:05] <PSiL0> !ati
[07:05] <PSiL0> did you check to see if there are any huge log files in /var/log?
[07:05] <PSiL0> I had to remove three today, each totalling over 1G
[07:06] <woody86> Would there be any differences between the way Kubuntu and Ubuntu work that would make one better to run on a 64bit dual-core AMD?
[07:06] <JediatNight> Whef: can you do the same?
[07:06] <PSiL0> okay back to the movie
[07:06] <Whef> JediatNight: Yes, I can SEE my C:\ drive except that that doesn't help because I need to install Adept packages.
[07:07] <JediatNight> Whef: what has adept got to do with moving or copying data?
[07:07] <hitmanWilly> woody86: nah, all the plumbing's identical
[07:07] <Whef> JediatNight: I need more space on my Linux partition in order to be able to install more Adept packages.
[07:08] <woody86> hitmanWilly, ok, thats what I figured, thanks :)
[07:08] <hitmanWilly> woody86: np man
[07:10] <sjdurfey>  anyway to remove duplicate entries from the listings in Amarok when there is only one copy of the file present?
[07:10] <Whef> *sigh* Be right back... restarting computer.
[07:11] <courtjesterg> when in nvidia server settings where do you save the config file to ?
[07:12] <courtjesterg> ffor .nvidia-settings-rc
[07:12] <courtjesterg> !xserver
[07:12] <courtjesterg> !x server
[07:12] <courtjesterg> !nvidia
[07:14] <PSiL0> !xine
[07:19] <Whef> AH YES
[07:19] <Whef> THANK GOD
[07:20] <condon> Anyone versed at all with VirtualBox?
[07:20] <JediatNight> Whef: are you in wa?
[07:20] <condon> I can't capture my mouse, doesn't seem to recognize usb mice?
[07:20] <courtjesterg> no serriously where does everyone save there x sever config files?
[07:21] <courtjesterg> from x server
[07:22] <courtjesterg> its a simple question that many should have the answer too oh aare people running directx on wine? ;/
[07:23] <Whef> I swear, God has the most fucked up sense of humor ever.
[07:23] <Whef> Right as I was about to send the message "I GOT IT TO WORK"
[07:23] <Whef> My computer froze
[07:23] <Whef> Solid
[07:23] <Whef> With that message
[07:23] <Whef> Still on my screen, in the text box, not sent.
[07:23] <condon> court, you figure out how to run directx on wine, I'd love to know the solution, especially if you're using a seperate nvidia geforce graphics card.
[07:24] <courtjesterg> lol i don't want to but have heard of it
[07:25] <condon> Was trying to run COD World at War - Only issue I ran into was my incompetence to linux/running directx
[07:26] <Whef> Alright, guys. I fixed the Java problem.
[07:26] <condon> great man
[07:26] <condon> little time, sweat, frustration :) But all worth it in the end
[07:27] <Whef> In order to poreply install Java first undo all the things you've already tried, uninstall all of it. Then what you have to do is get onto Adept Manager and install kubuntu-restricted-extras, boot up in Firefox and it should work.
[07:27] <Whef> Granted this is pretty buggy, and the sound keeps skipping but I don't need sound anyways so meh.
[07:27] <Whef> The game runs smooth.
[07:29] <condon> I know on mine, even videos get kinda shady at times, have to reload youtube pages a couple times to get anything but a gray square where the video should be.  A reboot usually fixes it for a while.
[07:30] <gp> hi
[07:31] <gp> on kubuntu laptop when i am running on battery it  doesnt give me any warning when its out of battery
[07:31] <gp> just closes down
[07:31] <gp> its so frustation
[07:32] <gp> why o why
[07:45] <gp> hi
[07:45] <gp> on kubuntu laptop when i am running on battery it  doesnt give me any warning when its out of battery
[07:45] <gp> just closes down
[07:45] <gp> its so frustation
[07:45] <gp> why o why
[07:45] <gp> why o why
[07:45] <gp> why o why
[07:45] <gp> why o why
[07:45] <gp> why o why
[07:45] <hittingpilot> Hello, I have a switch disabled in kmix, and it's not under the channel list.....
[07:45] <gp> hittingpilot: try alamixer from console
[07:46] <gp> on kubuntu laptop when i am running on battery it  doesnt give me any warning when its out of battery
[07:46] <gp> just closes down
[07:46] <gp> why o why
[07:46] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:46] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:46] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:46] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:46] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:46] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:46] <hittingpilot> gp: no such luck
[07:46] <gp> calling huston
[07:50] <gp> on kubuntu laptop when i am running on battery it  doesnt give me any warning when its out of battery
[07:50] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:50] <gp> just closes down
[07:50] <gp> calling huston
[07:50] <gp> why o why
[07:50] <gp> why o why
[07:50] <gp> why o why
[07:50] <gp> why o why
[07:50] <gp> anybody living
[07:51] <hittingpilot> gp: that is quite annoying
[07:51] <ubunturos> gp: I guess, not many are aware of what the problem could actually be
[07:52] <ubunturos> gp: this probably has to do something with acpid
[07:53] <hittingpilot> I have a switch disabled in kmix, and it's not under the channel list.....
[07:54] <joseph> !repeat
[08:03] <binMonkey> !patience
[08:03] <binMonkey> !birthin'nobabies.
[08:07] <hittingpilot> I'm sorry it's just frustrating..... it works fine in gnome... but when I installed into KDE I can't find that one little switch...
[08:08] <QContinueum> so post in the forums
[08:09] <condon> does anyone in here run intrepid and know how to get a freaking mouse working in virtualbox?
[08:10] <condon> Been trolling forums and can't make anything work.
[08:20] <noaXess> is there a way to get back the taskicons?.. cause sometimes they are not painted correctly
[08:21] <noaXess> exampe now, the kdewallet icon is black but it's running..
[08:22] <woody86> how can I get the proper screen resolution to work, when its not listed in the options?
[08:22] <noaXess> woody86: i thin yo have to edit /etx/X11/xorg.conf to get more resolutoin options
[08:22] <noaXess> !xorg | woody86
[08:23] <woody86> noaXess, thanks :)
[08:23] <noaXess> nop
[08:24] <noaXess> .. i edit my keyboard shortcuts.. in kde3 i had a lot.. but i know not all of dem work in kde4.. but.. how to recover standard keyboard sc's in kde4? cause eg. for KDE Menu Editor for the same action there are over 10 entries...
[08:33] <Neremor> hello!
[08:33] <Neremor> i've a problem with wine
[08:33] <Neremor> I would like to run a .NET based program using wine, but i get the following error message:
[08:34] <Neremor> The assembly was not found in the Global Assembly Cache, a path listed in the MONO_PATH environment variable, or in the location of the executing assembly (/home/jonathan/.wine/drive_c/Programme/ImoConnect/).
[08:34] <Neremor> and wine is telling me something about microsoft visual basic ver <IP_ADDRESS>.0.0 ;) one line above
[08:40] <JohnFlux> Neremor: #wine maybe?
[08:42] <Neremor> wine is an invite only channel
[08:43] <Neremor> oh sorry
[09:10] <motosir> hellos
[09:14] <MilitantPotato> Would I be able to put KDE 3.5 on Intrepid?
[09:44] <fishnchipss> .
[09:45] <jsunio> I'm lost. Can anybody help me find the internet?
[09:45] <jsunio> I bought something called Vista and I'm trying to find the internet on it.
[09:46] <fishnchipss> you must follow the 'yellow brick road'
[09:46] <jsunio> I think the internet has sports.
[09:48] <elwood> hi all
[09:48] <jsunio> Hello. Welcome to #kubuntu.
[09:48] <fishnchipss> sports cars ?? sports coats ??
[09:48] <elwood> there is a way to get kde 4.2 on intrepid without building from sources?
[09:49] <jsunio> To ask for a list of commands, type "help commands"
[09:51] <dwidmann> MilitantPotato: no.
[09:51] <jsunio> things are complicated
[09:51] <dwidmann> MilitantPotato: unless you want to compile it
[09:52] <jsunio> Don't spend time on it unless you're going to check it in.
[09:52] <dwidmann> elwood: maybe it'll be possible after the first beta
[09:53] <elwood> dwidmann: ok, is still and alpha? and do you know about amarok or digikam? the -kde4 pack disappear from my repo!
[09:54] <dwidmann> elwood: amarok is at beta 2 or 3 and there are packages for it ... it won't have feature parity with version 1.4 until version 2.2 or so
[09:54] <dwidmann> elwood: digikam is in the works but there aren't any packages for it yet
[09:55] <elwood> ok
[09:55] <elwood> thank you dwidmann
[09:55] <dwidmann> elwood: with regards to -kde4, in intrepid, kde3 has been removed almost completely ... so what once was, for example, konsole-kde4, is now just konsole ... also, they're all in /usr/bin now.
[09:56] <elwood> oh well, i should imagine this
[10:04] <ThomasD> can anyone tell me how I can get a list of all upgradable backages with apt-get
[10:04] <ThomasD> ?
[10:09] <jsunio> Could you do auto upgrade then copy paste?
[10:16] <bazhang> ThomasD, you want to update your system via the command line?
[10:17] <bazhang> ThomasD, sudo apt-get update  then sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:17] <ThomasD> nop, I only want a list of the upgradable packages
[10:17] <noaXess> is there a way to complete restore the default keyboard shortcut's in kde4?
[10:17] <ThomasD> then I want to upgrade the packages I want
[10:17] <noaXess> is there an config file to restore?
[10:18] <ThomasD> noaXess: #kde  ;-)
[10:18] <noaXess> ThomasD: :)
[10:18] <jsunio> help apt-get ?
[10:18] <noaXess> !apt-get | jsunio
[10:18] <ThomasD> read through it already jsunio
[10:19] <jsunio> How about -s (simulation)?
[10:22] <ThomasD> thats a good one jsunio
[10:22] <ThomasD> thanx
[10:23] <jsunio> oh wow was that really it?
[10:24] <jsunio> apt-get --help
[10:32] <a> hi, how do i tell ubuntu NOT to hide any file names like .txt ?
[10:32] <UnderWraps_> I don't think you have to
[10:33] <a> have to?
[10:33] <a> do you see any files without an extension (.txt?)?
[10:34] <dwidmann> a: a lot of the time ... files are simply named without an extension in linux ... is that the case here?
[10:34] <jsunio> Aha, what file browser are you using!!
[10:34] <a> dwidmann no
[10:35] <a> windows does the same thing, if a prgram recognises your file it removes the extensiion from view, can be a nightmare
[10:35] <jsunio> I use konquerer and I can see file .ext
[10:36] <dwidmann> Same here with Dolphin
[10:36] <a> i have text files here no extension
[10:37] <a> therefore if i saved stuff i edited as to be opened in txt i couldnt see later what had what extension an if i forgot i'd be boosled
[10:37] <jsunio> I think it would be based on what program you are using to view the files.
[10:37] <jsunio> The OS itself doesnt have any settings like that (right?)
[10:37] <a> i think its based on windows
[10:37] <a> right
[10:37]  * dr_willis missed the problem
[10:37] <jsunio> Based on windows??
[10:38] <jsunio> Please explain
[10:38] <dr_willis> Linux   does not need any file extensions. :)   but  the ones that are normally uised are basially the standard ones ysed by windows
[10:38] <dr_willis> text files do not need .txt :)
[10:38] <a> dr_willis : it may handy to spot the difference between md3 and md4 and md5
[10:38] <dwidmann> with regards to "a: a lot of the time ... files are simply named without an extension in linux ... is that the case here?", if you don't explicitly give one, it won't have one. See also whqat dr_willis just said
[10:38] <a> dr_willis: where once it was mP3 mP4
[10:39] <a> no dwidmann the actual real opne
[10:39] <dr_willis> extensions like tha thelp the user.. :) not the OS. mainly
[10:39] <jsunio> User Input Error
[10:39] <a> dr_willis, but removing them from sight doesnt help at all
[10:40] <jsunio> What kind of computer are you using?
[10:40] <a> dr_willis, at least not if you cannot make them visible
[10:40]  * dr_willis recalls having to teach several windows users that just changing a file name from .bmp to .jpg does NOT convert the file to jpg.
[10:40] <a> albeit a lot tidier if the ext doesnt interest you
[10:41] <jsunio> Oh I found it. There is a button on the outside of the computer that enables file extensions
[10:41] <a> !action knocks dr_willis on the head and waves a .ink and a .txt in front of him
[10:42] <a> \action starts to pull the hair out
[10:42] <a> hey why mine doesnt work
[10:42] <jsunio> Hey a, what program are you using to VIEW the files?
[10:42] <dwidmann> a: user error
[10:43] <dwidmann> /me blah blah blah
[10:43] <a> jsunio, this is the thinking i am fighting against, plain old ubuntu to VIEW the extention if that was nessecary
[10:43] <jsunio> Where is the file located, desktop or not desktop?
[10:44] <dwidmann> jsunio: you still haven't mentioned which programs this is pertaining to
[10:44] <a> jsunio, this is of no matter
[10:44] <dwidmann> erm, meant a
[10:44] <a> jsunio, lets say text based documents
[10:44] <a> where is the .txt then?
[10:44] <jsunio> I understand that.
[10:44] <a> @dwidmann sorry
[10:45] <a> or anyone
[10:45] <a> its nioce to hide the ext but also to see it
[10:45] <a> *nice
[10:45] <jsunio> What program are you using
[10:45] <a> in the "properties" at least mebbe
[10:45] <jsunio> what program are you using
[10:45] <a> jsunio, i was using blender on windows
[10:45] <a> and other stuff
[10:45] <jsunio> WINDOWS???????
[10:46] <jsunio> Call Microsoft tech support
[10:46] <a> jsunio, i have the same problem on the ubuntu
[10:46] <a> ha
[10:46] <jsunio> What program are you using on ubuntu
[10:47] <jsunio> I knew you were a windows spy!
[10:47] <a> yeah
[10:48] <a> ok jsunio, i have a shortcut to a wine program, no extention
[10:48] <Baulders> I have real problems with my wifi on amd64 intrepid, I think since 2.6.27-8. I have tried 2 usb wifi dongles and my pci card - all webpages are taking 5 mins to load
[10:48] <jsunio> Wine is like drinking through your nose
[10:49] <jsunio> Try renaming the file from shortcut to shortcut.txt
[10:49] <a> no thats like saying "dont press this button"
[10:49] <jsunio> It's interesting, but it tastes like boogers.
[10:49] <a> see
[10:50] <a> if it hasnt slowed you down it wont stop you
[10:50] <a> on windows, for instance, sometimes changing the extention on a "recognised" file doesnt work and you might get file.ink.txt
[10:51] <a> i havent seen so far in ubuntu but the exts are hidden completely
[10:51] <jsunio> Oh maybe, I havent actually found any files yet
[10:51] <a> see that file on the wall...
[10:52] <jsunio> Does making a new file work?
[10:53] <a> possibly but i dont want to make a new file every time i forget what extention the old files had
[10:53] <jsunio> Be sure to give all your files names when you make them
[10:53] <Jampiter> Hi, I have a tiny problem with KDE4.. not really a problem, more of an irritance
[10:53] <bjaimes> HOLA A TODOS
[10:54] <Jampiter> For some reason, the start-up sound doesn't play. I've checked in 'Notifications' and it's set to play.. is there a way to make it work?
[10:54] <jsunio> Does other sound work?
[10:55] <Jampiter> Yeah
[10:55] <Jampiter> It plays the log off sounds jsunio
[10:55] <Jampiter> And other system sounds
[10:56] <jsunio> It must be the order in which the sound "module" gets loaded into memory or something?
[10:56] <Jampiter> Seems like it. How do I change the order?
[10:56] <jsunio> Try rewriting the kernel completely and see if that works.
[10:57] <a> can i sing a song?
[10:57] <jsunio> There might be an easier way which I don't know of
[10:57] <Jampiter> ...
[10:57] <jsunio> #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:57] <Jampiter> Ok
[10:57] <a> O'er low, ly prison walls,
[10:57] <a> i heard a young girl call,
[10:57] <bazhang> a not here
[10:58] <a> "Michael, they are takin' you away....",
[10:58] <bazhang> !offtopic | a
[10:58] <a> "for you stole the bursars corn,"
[10:58] <a> "so the bairns might see the morn'",
[10:58] <a> it's so lonely round the feilds of Athenry
[10:59] <a> Low, lie, the fields of Athenry
[10:59] <jsunio> Understandable though, because this channel is more lively
[10:59] <Saroset> Why does this make me think of a drunken hobo with a guitar playing for tips?
[10:59] <a> where once, we watched, the small freebirds fly,
[10:59] <a> our love was on the wing,
[10:59] <a> we had faith and songs to sing,
[10:59] <jsunio> If a tree falls in the forest
[10:59] <a> it's so loonely round the fileds,
[10:59] <bazhang> a stop
[10:59] <a> of Athenry.
[11:05] <a> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBSC1e9o5pA
[11:06] <bjaimes> hola a todo @s
[11:07] <concernedcitizen> is there a bug with the print queue
[11:07] <concernedcitizen> everytime I try to print a document, it prints out the first few pages and then stop
[11:07] <concernedcitizen> and in my queue, it puts there as 'stopped'
[11:10] <jsunio> Printing doesnt even work on my printer
[11:11] <jsunio> I once got it to make a sound by trying random drivers
[11:13] <noaXess> hav intrepid but amarok 1.4 instead of 2.x is installed.. what need i remove/install that i have amarok 2?
[11:15] <concernedcitizen> anybody?
[11:16] <jsunio> You could try installing a 2nd operating system?
[11:17] <concernedcitizen> I have windows VM
[11:18] <concernedcitizen> but that wouldn't help because it still uses my host OS's printer
[11:18] <concernedcitizen> driver
[11:20] <jsunio> Doh!
[11:20] <jsunio> How about live drive of a different distro?
[11:21] <ThomasD> concernedcitizen: if you use your printer in windows vm it will use the windows drivers
[11:22] <ThomasD> concernedcitizen: vmware or virtualbox? I only have experience with virtualbox
[11:23] <concernedcitizen> virtualbox
[11:23] <noaXess> i want have amarok 2 on my intrepid kde4.. but in adept i find just amarok 1.4.. but amarok 2 should be available for intrepid kde4 right?
[11:23] <dwidmann> ThomasD: there are certainly other possibilities ... xen, kvm, qemu ....
[11:23] <ThomasD> dwidmann: yeah I know, but those aren't as widly used
[11:24] <ThomasD> concernedcitizen: so when you print from your VM you still get same bug?
[11:24] <dwidmann> ThomasD: ubuntu certainly seems to push kvm very hard, but I think it's only for server-ish stuff.
[11:25] <ThomasD> dwidmann: are we talkin about server here? no didn't think so
[11:27] <woody86> so what's the whole point of having the "Desktop Box" thing rather than just having the icons appear on the desktop like they always do?
[11:27] <woody86> in KDE 4*
[11:29] <concernedcitizen> giving it a shot now
[11:32] <concernedcitizen> ThomasD:  there's no printer in my VM
[11:33] <ThomasD> concernedcitizen: usb printer?
[11:34] <concernedcitizen> yeah
[11:35] <concernedcitizen> usb devices under devices shows nothing
[11:41] <bazhang> concernedcitizen, is this virtualbox-ose
[11:41] <bjaimes> hola a tod "s
[11:41] <jsunio> How about dmesg | tail
[11:41] <bazhang> !es | bjaimes
[11:43] <concernedcitizen> bazhang: no
[11:43] <concernedcitizen> i'm using the one grabbed off sun
[11:47] <bazhang> concernedcitizen, which printer? and have you tried printing from pdf
[11:48] <Kalidarn> eh is kubuntu LSB compliant?
[11:48] <Kalidarn> ie version 8.10
[11:49] <Kalidarn> i assume it follows the same compliancy as ubuntu
[11:49] <concernedcitizen> samsung ml-1610
[11:49] <judgen> Anyone know why my systray is all black and strange?
[11:53] <dr_willis> its depressed?
[11:56] <natschil> lol
[12:03] <judgen> dr_willis: Might be =P
[12:04] <ThomasD> concernedcitizen: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=845901 or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox to get usb working
[12:08] <woody86> how can I change the default screen brightness in Kubuntu? The settings don't carry over from gnome-power-manager
[12:10] <a> hi, i have been having difficulty creating a shortcut, any advice?
[12:11] <a> i tried "make link" but it doesnt runthe program
[12:14] <dr_willis> Heh - i dont use kde4 enough to even asnswer you a.
[12:14] <dr_willis> kde4 twiddled with a lot of 'basic' operations
[12:15] <a> i have the gnome one i think myself but i dont know the difference, my chat opens kubuntu by default dr_willis
[12:16] <dr_willis> gnome - create launchter in the desktop menus, or just drag/drop  an icon from the menus to the panel/desktop
[12:16] <a> where is this create lancher dr_willis?
[12:16] <dr_willis> yes
[12:16] <a> where?
[12:17] <dr_willis> In the gnome menus, on the desktopp.. if you are using gnome...
[12:17] <jonah> hey guys struggling to find openoffice 3 debs for amd64? how come kubuntu doesn't have oo3 yet? does anyone know any repos or anywhere i can get it?
[12:18] <a> can't find it dr_willis
[12:18] <dr_willis> are you usign gnome? or KDE.. thats the big wuestion
[12:18] <dr_willis> if using GNOME you can just drag an icon from the menus to the desktop
[12:18] <dr_willis> jonah,  they exist. and last i heard.. they are buggy
[12:25] <noaXess> amarok2 should be in the repos for intrepid right?
[12:26] <noaXess> !amarok2
[12:26] <noaXess> !amarok
[12:28] <noaXess> can't find amaro fpr intrepid
[12:34] <noaXess> any idea? i read on kubuntus page that amarok2 beta 3 has been released and packages are available for Kubuntu 8.10, the Intrepid Ibex.. but can't find packages
[12:35] <noaXess> ok.. need to go..
[12:35] <noaXess> see ya later..
[12:36] <hp> hi everybody
[12:37] <hp> 我的UBUNTU很慢
[12:37] <bazhang> !cn | hp
[12:38] <hp>  i see
[12:52] <k0nd0r> hi..could anyone tell me how can i read .pdf ?
[12:52] <whitesox> hy
[12:52] <dr_willis> !pdf
[12:52] <k0nd0r> pdf.... adobe acrobat reader?:P
[12:54] <bazhang> !find pdf
[12:55] <bazhang> !info kpdf
[12:56] <dr_willis> It think envince has replaced it.. or that other app
[12:56] <dr_willis> ocular?
[12:57] <bazhang> odd; apt-cache search shows kpdf
[12:57] <k0nd0r> ...
[12:58] <bazhang> k0nd0r, try apt-cache search kpdf
[12:58] <dig> k0nd0r: no kpdf in your machine?
[12:58] <k0nd0r> ehm...
[12:58] <k0nd0r> where is it?:P
[12:59] <dig> type kpdf in terminal?
[12:59] <k0nd0r> i got one .pdf and i am trying to open it..let me c if it has a program
[12:59] <k0nd0r> kpdf command not found
[12:59] <bazhang> try in package manager or apt-cache search kpdf
[13:00] <bentob0x> anybody has a link on how to make your Kubuntu install the leanest possible?
[13:00] <bazhang> bentob0x, use the minimal installer
[13:00] <bazhang> !minimal
[13:03] <bentob0x> that looks goodo bazhang, thank you
[13:03] <bentob0x> but can you choose KDE?
[13:07] <pansz> in intrepid you should use okular instead of kpdf
[13:07] <pansz> kpdf has got a new name: okular
[13:09] <athlonkaempfer> hallo
[13:10] <bazhang> bentob0x, you can choose whatever you want
[13:10] <dig> I think okular is based on kpdf?
[13:17] <k0nd0r> is there any good editor for writing C programs? i use pico but i dont like it...one that has color in the commands?
[13:18] <ThomasD> k0nd0r: check out kdevelop
[13:18] <ThomasD> !kdevelop
[13:18] <bazhang> !info kdevelop
[13:18] <ThomasD> http://www.kdevelop.org/
[13:18] <pansz> kdecn.org 官方是否有类似“加入我们”之类的连接？
[13:18] <bazhang> !cn | pansz
[13:19] <pansz> sorry I've posted on the wrong channel
[13:19] <bazhang> np
[13:19] <k0nd0r> thanx thomasD
[13:19] <ThomasD> np
[13:20] <k0nd0r> is there another? running from bash shell? so that i use the commands to compile etc
[13:21] <k0nd0r> sudo apt-get install kdevelop ?
[13:22] <ThomasD> jeppa
[13:23] <ThomasD> you can also use kate as editor it has a built in console, so you can compile from commandline in your text editor ;-)
[13:24] <ThomasD> k0nd0r: ;-)
[13:24] <ThomasD> k0nd0r: and it also has colors in the code ;-)
[13:28] <athlonkaempfer> !de
[13:28] <athlonkaempfer> hallo
[13:29] <athlonkaempfer> Frage - ich nutze Kubuntu 8.04, das letzte KDE Update auf 4.13 wurde mir nicht angeboten, kommt das noch?
[13:29] <athlonkaempfer> oder bleibt das 8.10 vorbehalten?
[13:29] <ThomasD> !de | athlonkaempfer
[13:29] <bazhang> athlonkaempfer, english here please
[13:30] <athlonkaempfer> ups, i was in kubuntu-de, false tab
[13:30] <athlonkaempfer> sry
[13:34] <jonasbet> hi
[13:34] <jonasbet> does anyone know how to mount an external hard disck?
[13:35] <ThomasD> plug in and have fun ^^
[13:35] <jonasbet> it does work
[13:35] <ThomasD> jonasbet: so whats the problem?
[13:36] <jonasbet> unclean shutdown failed to mount
[13:36] <jonasbet> that the error message
[13:36] <ThomasD> jonasbet: commandline $ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/disk
[13:36] <ThomasD> whats the filesystem on the disk?
[13:36] <ThomasD> ext3, fat32, ntfs?
[13:36] <jonasbet> ntfs
[13:37] <ThomasD> could be you need to run a fsck
[13:37] <ThomasD> but i don't know if linux does that for ntfs
[13:37] <jonasbet> fsck?
[13:38] <jonasbet> what is that?
[13:38] <ThomasD> filesystem check
[13:38] <jonasbet> to check the hard disk?
[13:38] <ThomasD> it's a command line application
[13:38] <ThomasD> jep
[13:38] <jonasbet> i think the problem could be that it is also a media player
[13:39] <jonasbet> and it coulb be in player mode
[13:39] <ThomasD> were you able to mount it before?
[13:39] <jonasbet> never
[13:39] <ThomasD> hah
[13:39] <jonasbet> i have been using linux only one week
[13:39] <jonasbet> ;OP
[13:39] <ThomasD> yeah well euhm
[13:39] <jonasbet> thanksssssss
[13:39] <jonasbet> i will do it on windowns
[13:40] <jonasbet> it is a long way to quit microsoft
[13:40] <jonasbet> thanks thomasd
[13:40] <ThomasD> np
[13:48] <diogo> hey everyone, I'm using kubuntu 8.10 and I'd like to know if it is possible to have a second panel on the desktop?
[14:10] <antoranz> Hi, guys!
[14:10] <antoranz> amarok doesn't want to start on my intrepid box
[14:12] <ThomasD> antoranz: start it from commandline and give output
[14:12] <antoranz> http://www.pastebin.ca/1256930
[14:12] <antoranz> sure.... give me a second
[14:14] <RainCT> Hi
[14:14] <RainCT> Why is kooka no longer available in Intrepid?
[14:15] <antoranz> Some stuff, and then........ Amarok: [Loader] Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?
[14:16] <ThomasD> antoranz: check #amarok ;-)
[14:17] <antoranz> http://www.pastebin.ca/1256937
[14:17] <antoranz> ok
[14:19] <bentob0x> the ram of my laptop is 256, will I choose 512 as swap or a bit more?
[14:19] <bentob0x> knowing that I have a 10Gb HD
[14:20] <bentob0x> 768 maybe?
[14:20] <ThomasD> 512 should be sufficient
[14:21] <antoranz> well... thanks anyway. :-)
[14:21] <bentob0x> I entered 512 but it's written 509 now
[14:21] <bentob0x> I know there is the 1024 bytes for 1 K etc
[14:21] <ThomasD> doen't raly mather
[14:21] <bentob0x> but shouldn't it be a bit more?
[14:21] <bentob0x> k
[14:22] <bentob0x> thx
[14:24] <pustiu> hi people ? did sombody know whai is happening with video drivers for nvidia in ubuntu because the broweser is closing
[14:26] <pustiu> just if i install nvidia driver from envy , i have problems
[14:27] <pustiu> in you tube for exampla i can"t see in the full screen , jsut in little screen
[14:27] <finswimmer> hello, i have a Medion MD 95500. but my laptop shuts not down automatically. my other md95500 with gentoo shuts down. so i think it is a kernel issue. what can i do?
[14:28] <pustiu> finswimmer: u must install md manualy
[14:29] <finswimmer> pustiu: but when there is an automatic kernel update it will be overwritten?
[14:33] <pustiu> i did see today , somthing , check list of laptops for linux
[14:33] <pustiu> w8
[14:33] <ActionParsnip1> hey all
[14:33] <notriddle> ActionParsnip1: Hi.
[14:33] <ActionParsnip1> i have opera lovingly installed and it kicks ass over firefox
[14:33] <ActionParsnip1> is it possible to make websites think im running firefox
[14:34] <notriddle> ActionParsnip1: I don't know. Ask on #opera
[14:34] <ActionParsnip1> like when it checks what browser i am running
[14:35] <howitzermod_> hello
[14:36] <maxbaldwin> hello, howitzermod_
[14:36] <pustiu> finswimmer: i don"t know whre to find iit right now , i"m very sleapy , maybe if u keep searching a lsit of laptops for linux ?
[14:37] <pustiu> u will find somthing very intersting , and all data taht u need , i do"nt remember the web page , but u can write at search list of compatible laptops to run linux
[14:37] <pustiu> or somthing like that
[14:43] <abbie> hello
[14:44] <maxbaldwin> hello abbie.
[14:44] <abbie> i'm trying to clone my monitor with tv -but tv output comes out in black and white
[14:44] <notriddle> abbie: Perhaps it's set that way (System Settings->Display).
[14:45] <howitzermod_> umm sorry to interject but im completely new and need help using pygame so i am asking here as there is noone on the pygame irc
[14:46] <abbie> i cant see tv output in display - i've used nvidia settings - i have an old geforce4  mx460 and using nvidia-glx96 . is that the correct one?
[14:47] <notriddle> howitzermod_: There are still more appropriate channels (maybe #python?).
[14:48] <howitzermod_> ook thank you for directing me
[14:52] <Werenerd> hey all - does anyone know how to download a program ad all dependencies so that I can take it to a computer with no internet access?
[14:52] <emma> It really angers me that when I intalled firefox it installed all these gnome programs.
[14:52] <emma> why would installing firefox install synaptic?
[14:52] <Werenerd> emma - did it maybe install ubuntu-desktop?
[14:53] <emma> It's outrageous! I wanted to use Kubuntu!
[14:53] <Werenerd> look in adept with the installed flag for ubuntu-desktop
[14:54] <emma> Werenerd: just about! When you install firefox on Kubuntu it installs a TON of GNOME libs and programs!
[14:54] <notriddle> emma: Try apt-get install --no-install-recommends firefox, instead of apt-get install firefox.
[14:54] <emma> That's surely a bug. Someone who has high access in the K/Ubuntu community please do something!
[14:54] <Werenerd> I have firefox, but that is the only gtk app it installed. Libraries yes, but not apps
[14:54] <emma> notriddle: can that be done even now after I've already installed firefox?
[14:55] <emma> How do we clean out all the GNOME libs?
[14:55] <notriddle> emma: Uninstall it, run apt-get autoremove, then do it.
[14:55] <notriddle> emma: apt-get autoremove should do it.
[14:58] <stdin> emma: do what notriddle said, then "sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install firefox". see https://launchpad.net/bugs/292403
[14:59] <nado> ng max payne? it should run perfectly, but all i get/j #xorg
[15:00] <abbie> Werenerd: if you did apt-get clean - apt-get install <program> - tar -cvxf /var/cache/apt/archives - that would have all
[15:02] <froduntu> I know probably this is not the channel where to seek help with this
[15:02] <froduntu> but I've got a problem
[15:02] <froduntu> login into ubuntu
[15:02] <froduntu> kde is working though
[15:03] <froduntu> it says to check .xsession-errors
[15:03] <notriddle> frodunto: So you installed ubuntu-desktop on Kubuntu, and GNOME isn't starting, but KDE is?
[15:03] <froduntu> that is correct
[15:03] <froduntu> kde is loaded
[15:04] <froduntu> I checked the file .xsession-errors
[15:04] <froduntu> I have a copy of it here http://paste.ubuntu.com/72373/
[15:06] <usuario_> HELOW
[15:06] <froduntu> hi usuario_
[15:07] <froduntu> try not to use caps, because it seems as if you were yelling
[15:08] <froduntu> notriddle: any ideas?
[15:12] <notriddle> froduntu: It looks like you don't have PulseAudio.
[15:12] <notriddle> !pulseaudio
[15:12] <Kovert> I can not access my floppy cqan some one help?
[15:12] <froduntu> gotcha
[15:12] <froduntu> notriddle: thanks
[15:13] <froduntu> I'll try installing PulseAudio
[15:13] <Kovert> any one here ever see a floppy?
[15:14] <froduntu> Kovert: what do you mean?
[15:14] <notriddle> Kovert: Yep, though the system I'm using doesn't have one.
[15:14] <Kovert> I cant seem to mount it and see it
[15:14] <yasir> hi
[15:14] <yasir> millet
[15:14] <Kovert> I need to move soem fat files on it
[15:14] <froduntu> hm...  are you sure the floppy is good?
[15:14] <notriddle> Kovert: Do you know the device your floppy is on?
[15:14] <froduntu> it could be damaged
[15:14] <froduntu> you could try a dd_rescue on the floppy
[15:15] <Kovert> standard 8.10
[15:15] <froduntu> I don't know what device number is your floppy but you can do
[15:15] <Kovert> I think it is a mount issue
[15:15] <froduntu> somethink like
[15:15] <froduntu> dd_rescue /dev/fd0 ~/Desktop/floppy.backup.dd
[15:15] <notriddle> Kovert: What device is your floppy on, and what happends when you try to mount it?
[15:15] <froduntu> then do the opposite with a fresh new floppy
[15:16] <yasir> is ubuntu
[15:16] <Kovert> looks like "/dev/fd
[15:16] <froduntu> dd_rescue ~/Desktop/floppy.backup.dd /dev/fd0
[15:16] <yasir> hi group
[15:16] <froduntu> hi
[15:16] <Kovert> dont need the resque yet
[15:16] <Kovert> juts need to access
[15:16] <Kovert> it is a new floppy
[15:16] <froduntu> Kovert: I understand
[15:16] <notriddle> Kovert: Okay. What happens when you try to mount it?
[15:16] <yasir> I from turkey
[15:16] <notriddle> !turkey
[15:17] <Kovert> nothing I think i am mounting it wrong
[15:17] <Kovert> "/dev/fd /mnt/fd"
[15:17] <notriddle> Kovert: Run mount /dev/fd /mnt. Any output?
[15:17] <Kovert> or /media/fd
[15:17] <yasir> thank you ubottu
[15:18] <Kovert> "/proc/7888/fd is not a block device
[15:18] <froduntu> yeah, make sure you have the fd folder waiting for it wherever you are mounting
[15:18] <notriddle> !floppy
[15:19]  * notriddle should have thought of ubottu before as having the answer.
[15:19] <Kovert> will try thabks
[15:19] <froduntu> notriddle: do you think it is the floppy ? (I think it is the floppy that went south)
[15:19] <froduntu> that is why I was suggesting the dd dump
[15:20] <Kovert> no entry in fstab at all!
[15:20] <Kovert> for the floppy
[15:20] <notriddle> froduntu: That depends. Does Ubuntu know how to mount the floppy automatically (I didn't think that would work because the system would have to poll the disk).
[15:21] <froduntu> gotcha
[15:21] <Kovert> ok changed the fstab
[15:21] <froduntu> I'm new to Linux for the most part.. I work all day long fixing Micro$oft stuff
[15:21] <Kovert> how do i reload it
[15:22] <Hydrogen> you just lost any hope you ever have of being cool
[15:22] <Hydrogen> by saying micro$oft
[15:22] <notriddle> Kovert: Okay. Just run mount /dev/fd0.
[15:22] <Hydrogen> sorry
[15:22] <emma> stdin notriddle  okay
[15:22] <PSiL0> !video
[15:22] <bernyfox> help please) I need russian channel
[15:22] <froduntu> Hydrogen: I'm not hoping to be cool
[15:22] <notriddle> !russian
[15:22] <froduntu> I just am
[15:22] <Hydrogen> how about respected...
[15:22] <bernyfox> thanx)
[15:23] <Kovert> special device /dev/fd0 does not exist
[15:23] <Kovert> ok later I am closer
[15:23] <froduntu> Hydrogen: I recomend Tao-Te-King
[15:23] <froduntu> hahhaa
[15:23] <notriddle> Kovert: Try /dev/fd instead of /dev/fd0.
[15:23] <froduntu> yeah, sorry Kovertthat was my bad
[15:24] <emma> stdin, notriddle , firefox is a metapackage
[15:24] <Kovert> can't find /dev/fd in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[15:24] <stdin> emma: ok, firefox-3.0
[15:24] <froduntu> Kovert: are you multibooting?
[15:24] <Kovert> hehe not yet
[15:24] <froduntu> ok
[15:25] <Kovert> I think i have to change fstab slightly
[15:25] <froduntu> Kovert: has this floppy drive worked?
[15:25] <notriddle> Kovert: Replace /dev/fd0 with /dev/fd (the info seems to be old).
[15:25] <Kovert> juts did
[15:25] <notriddle> Kovert: And does mount /dev/fd work?
[15:25] <Kovert> mount: /proc/8152/fd is not a block device
[15:26]  * notriddle thinks Kovert meant "just did".
[15:26] <froduntu> Kovert: excuse the stupidity of my question but, again
[15:26] <Kovert> he did ! :-)
[15:26] <froduntu> has this drive worked?
[15:26] <emma> locate gnome still finds a lot of stuff with gnome in it
[15:26] <Kovert> yes
[15:26] <emma> is there just a lot of files on kubuntu with the word gnome in it?
[15:26] <notriddle> Kovert: Is /dev/fd a symlink to /proc/8152/fd?
[15:26] <Kovert> dont know
[15:26] <notriddle> emma: No. They really are GNOME stuff, I think.
[15:27] <froduntu> emma: you might have programs that belong to the gnome project
[15:27] <emma> froduntu: I hope not.
[15:27] <Kovert> well i give up for now
[15:27] <froduntu> emma: why?
[15:27] <Kovert> notriddle: thanks anyway
[15:27] <Werenerd> sorry all - kids got me. Back now
[15:27] <emma> froduntu: don't we want our kubuntu to be pure?
[15:28] <froduntu> emma: no
[15:28] <notriddle> Kovert: You're welcome.
[15:28] <notriddle> Kovert: Do you need the floppy?
[15:28] <froduntu> emma: there are programs from gnome that we all use on a regular basis
[15:28] <froduntu> well not all
[15:28] <emma> Some people feel that it makes no difference if you have gnome libs on kubuntu and others feel it is not good.
[15:28] <froduntu> but most of us
[15:28] <notriddle> emma: What type of stuff does locate list?
[15:28] <emma> froduntu: like what?
[15:29] <froduntu> gedit
[15:29] <froduntu> (I use it on a daily basis)
[15:29] <emma> /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules
[15:29] <notriddle> froduntu: I don't.
[15:29] <emma> /home/em/.gnome2
[15:29] <emma> /usr/bin/gnome-umount
[15:29] <froduntu> notriddle: that is ok
[15:29] <emma> /usr/lib/gnome-keyring
[15:29] <emma> just to name a few.
[15:29] <notriddle> emma: When you run "apt-get autoremove", does it offer to remove anything?
[15:30] <stdin> emma: "dpkg -l|grep gnome" see what's installed and what gets removed when you try to remove them
[15:30]  * notriddle thinks I should've added sudo.
[15:30]  * notriddle thinks he should've added sudo.
[15:31] <froduntu> brb
[15:31] <emma> !pastebin
[15:31] <notriddle> emma: Of course, stuff in your home directory (~/.gnome2) can probably just be rm'ed.
[15:31] <emma> http://paste.ubuntu.com/72396/  this is from dpkg -l | grep gnome
[15:32] <stdin> emma: so you only have gnome-keyring, libgnome-keyring0 and libpam-gnome-keyring installed there
[15:32] <emma> I wonder why they would have made Firefox install GNOME libs. I always thought that Firefox was DE agnostic.
[15:33] <emma> I need to tell people that Firefox has decided to be a GNOME app.
[15:33] <stdin> emma: read the bug link I gave you, it explains it more
[15:33] <froduntu> back
[15:33] <emma> okay
[15:33] <notriddle> emma: Try uninstalling some of them (one-by-one), to see what goes with them. Some of them (keyring, for example) shouldn't be needed by firefox (though probably ubufox).
[15:33] <froduntu> notriddle, you were right on the money with pulseaudio
[15:34] <froduntu> apparently my profile relied on it for the audio part of the theme
[15:34] <emma> can i sudo aptitude purge *gnome*
[15:34] <froduntu> thanks much
[15:35] <notriddle> emma: You could, though that may take away stuff you do use.
[15:35] <Dai> is there a solution for the problem : "can't write any email on hotmail with last firefox and last (k)ubuntu ?"
[15:35] <notriddle> Dai: Do you expect Microsoft to play fairly w/Linux ;).
[15:36]  * notriddle is being bitterly sarcastic.
[15:36] <Werenerd> OK guys, I want to download Super Maryo Chronicles and all dependencies from this computer and trnafer them to another computer without internet access. How do I do that?
[15:36] <emma> stdin: thank you for posting a link to this bug
[15:36] <Dai> notriddle: they will not turn their back to a whole community, they would lose too much clients
[15:36] <notriddle> Dai: More seriously, I don't know.
[15:36]  * notriddle doesn't use firefox, or hotmail.
[15:37] <emma> stdin: reading through the comments in this bug makes me think that the person named Alexander Sack is responsible for this and is a tremendously arrogant person.
[15:37] <emma> I will be speaking to that person as soon as I can.
[15:37] <Dai> notriddle: what do you use ?
[15:37] <Werenerd> Dai: unfortunately notriddle is correct. Hotmail is not supported under any email clients other than Live now I believe.
[15:37]  * notriddle uses Konqueror, KMail, and GMail.
[15:37] <stdin> emma: that's basically the feeling of the whole Kubuntu team
[15:37] <Werenerd> Dai: Turn on email forwarding in hotmail and forward it to a gmail account. That is what I do.
[15:38] <landonis> Hi all *waves* Could someone please advise me on a bug I have come across that seems to be caused by the xorg server using up all processor time when having any opengl program open and moving the mouse.. if left alone the system recovers temporarily so I can kill the process but it is effectively crippling the use of a lot of programs.. some similar bug reports say it has been fixed in later versions so is there a good rep
[15:38] <landonis> ository for upgrading xorg past 1.7.3?
[15:38] <Dai> Werenerd: on windows you can connect with firefox that makes no problem
[15:38] <Werenerd> Dai: wait, I just reread what you said. you can't get into the web based hotmail with firefox? I thought you were saying thunderbird for some reason
[15:38] <Werenerd> hold on, let me check my hotmail account.
[15:39] <Dai> Werenerd: i can access it ; but i can't write email, the textfield is greyed
[15:39] <Dai> (and i think we can use thunderbird for hotmail, with the webmail/hotmail plug-in=
[15:40] <froduntu> I can use hotmail
[15:40] <froduntu> with no problem in firefox
[15:40] <notriddle> Dai: Why do you need to use the web-based interface?
[15:40] <Werenerd> Dai: wow... they really changed this website in the past few years.
[15:40] <froduntu> do you have the Adobe-flash player installed?
[15:41] <Werenerd> dai: i see your problem. I am having it too.
[15:41] <Werenerd> Dai: do you have NoScript installed?
[15:42] <Dai> notriddle: because i can't use thunderbird (i don't know why)
[15:42] <notriddle> Dai: Thunderbird doesn't work. You are using Kubuntu, try Kontact.
[15:42] <Dai> ok i'll try
[15:42] <Werenerd> notriddle: I wouldn't use Kontact
[15:43] <ActionParsnip1> Dai: you could try renaming .mozilla-thunderbird then rerun it
[15:43] <Werenerd> damn thing doesn't get along with KNetworkmanager
[15:43] <notriddle> Werenerd: The advice was given to Dai, and Kontact work for me(tm) (using GMail).
[15:44] <Dai> Werenerd: Extensions : Dictionnaire Hunspell (français) ; Plugins  : several plugins but no Noscript
[15:44] <Dai> Werenerd: the problem is not coming from Firefox as i can't with Konqueror either
[15:45] <Werenerd> Dai: remember, you will need to forward that hotmail account to somewhere else and retreive it from that account. Hotmail needs precommands and they change frequently
[15:45] <Werenerd> Dai: you got the warning telling you to upgrade to a different browser right?
[15:46] <notriddle> Dai: http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/How_to_check_Hotmail_with_KMail
[15:46] <Dai> Werenerd: yes, on both firefox and konqueror
[15:46]  * notriddle wonders if they've added a POP3 or IMAP interface since this guide. He hopes they did.
[15:46] <ActionParsnip1> Dai: im trying to masquerade my opera
[15:47] <Werenerd> Dai: try changing your browser identification to IE on XP in Konqueror.
[15:47] <Dai> Werenerd: how ?
[15:47] <Dai> ActionParsnip1: you're trying what ?
[15:47]  * notriddle just noticed that guide was Fedora-specific. Looking some more.
[15:47] <froduntu> for those that can't go into hotmail http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963252
[15:47] <Dai> notriddle: kontact = kmail ?
[15:48] <ActionParsnip1> Dai: to make my opera appear as IE / firefox
[15:48] <ActionParsnip1> Dai: as stupid sites check browser
[15:49] <Dai> ActionParsnip1: ok, but if you make you opera appear as firefox, it won't help as it is not working with firefox either
[15:49] <notriddle> Dai: Yep. KMail is the mail part of Kontact.
[15:49] <Werenerd> Dai: my mistake, I thought Konqi did the browser identification like Opera. Stick with that. Kontact is the fullblown PIM and Kmail is just email. Kontact gives you a RSS, calendar, email, task, ... and so on
[15:49] <Werenerd> anyways, can some one help me with my question?
[15:49] <Werenerd> OK guys, I want to download Super Maryo Chronicles and all dependencies from this computer and trnafer them to another computer without internet access. How do I do that?
[15:50] <ActionParsnip1> Dai: hmmm, whats the site?
[15:51] <notriddle> Dai: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=519460 seems better.
[15:51] <thompa> hello, I would like to upgrade Amarok to beta and following instructions there is no package available?
[15:51] <Dai> ActionParsnip1: which site ?
[15:51] <DaSkreech> Dai: Kmail = Sub portion of kontact
[15:51] <Dai> notriddle: thanks
[15:51] <Dai> DaSkreech: yes thanks
[15:52] <ArkoldThos> anyone having problems using a cdrom reader on kubuntu (works great with dvds, but with audio cds nothing happens)
[15:52] <DaSkreech> Werenerd:
[15:52] <thompa> !amarok
[15:52] <ArkoldThos> aww
[15:52] <ArkoldThos> kde doesn't detect it, but i am able to use it from vlc...
[15:52] <Werenerd> DaSkreech: how you been man, been a while
[15:52] <DaSkreech> apt-get install the package and note the dependents then pull them out of /var/cache/apt/archives
[15:53] <DaSkreech> Werenerd: I'm good an very sleepy
[15:53] <Werenerd> DaSkreech: then just add the CD as a repository on the offline computer?
[15:53] <thompa> anyone upgraded to amarok beta?
[15:53] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: looks like you'll be compiling it
[15:53] <DaSkreech> ArkoldThos: if you open konqueor or dolphin and type audiocd:/ in the Location bar what do you get ?
[15:53] <DaSkreech> Werenerd:
[15:53] <notriddle> thompa: There's Project Neon.
[15:53] <DaSkreech> nope just aptget it
[15:53] <notriddle> !neon
[15:53] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: ok, is the package gone?
[15:54] <DaSkreech> The local cache is checked before anything
[15:54] <ArkoldThos> aw, was putting cdrom:/ mine mistake, lets see what itshows..
[15:54] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: gone? I think amarok are only giving the current frozen source
[15:54] <ArkoldThos> DaSkreech: nothing
[15:54] <ArkoldThos> NEON doesn't output sound for now!
[15:54] <DaSkreech> ArkoldThos: Boooo
[15:54] <ArkoldThos> so i don't recommend to use it :)
[15:54] <judgen> How do i increase the kde4 window snapping threashold, and how do i  make konqueror use doubleclick instead of singleclick?
[15:54] <Werenerd> DaSkreech: the local cache on the offline PC wouldn't have the CD in .... oh... you mean just copy the packages over!
[15:54] <ArkoldThos> boo
[15:54] <ArkoldThos> appeared :D
[15:55] <ArkoldThos> thanks DaSkreech
[15:55] <Werenerd> DaSkreech: I was making this way too hard
[15:55] <DaSkreech> Werenerd: Duh :)
[15:55] <ArkoldThos> was quite wierd that device notifier and dolphin doesn't told me to mount it
[15:55] <DaSkreech> ArkoldThos: See you just need to scae your computer every now and again :)
[15:55] <ArkoldThos> yea :/
[15:56] <DaSkreech> skare even
[15:56] <ArkoldThos> thanks =)
[15:58] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: added this repo deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main
[15:58] <emma> Even with sudo aptitude -R install firefox (same as apt-get --no-install-recommends install firefox) you get the following errors when startinf firefox in terminal: (firefox:6241): Gtk-WARNING **: libbonoboui-2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:58] <thompa> according to kubuntu web site. So I guess thats wrong
[15:59] <emma> thompa: that looks like an interesting repo what do you get from it?
[15:59] <thompa> kubuntu.com
[15:59] <thompa> main page
[15:59] <DaSkreech> NCommander: Moin
[16:00] <DaSkreech> thompa: 4.1.3 ?
[16:00] <Werenerd> DaSkreech: wow, the whole /var/cache/apt/archives folder is <500MB. I'll just copy it all on a CD
[16:00] <thompa> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2-beta-3
[16:00] <ubuntu> hi there, I'm just trying to get grub back and am in the live cd... however nothing works... I enter correct hardisks and partitions for the boot partition yet it refuses to install
[16:00] <thompa> following main web site instructions
[16:00] <thompa> there is no file
[16:00] <judgen> Yay ive finally gotten kde4 to behave the way i want. http://judgen.googlepages.com/Screenshot-kde4.jpeg
[16:00] <DaSkreech> Werenerd: You can do an apt-get autoclean to get rid of useless packages
[16:01] <DaSkreech> It will remove duplicate packages when one has a higher version than the other
[16:01] <DaSkreech> !grub  | ubuntu
[16:01] <Werenerd> DaSkreech: you are just a fountain of knowledge. Thanks man, I appreciate the help
[16:01] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: that's where I am yet it does not work
[16:01] <DaSkreech> Werenerd: a Broken pipe at least
[16:02] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Error?
[16:02] <Werenerd> lol, I like that better than a fountain
[16:02] <thompa> its here http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/pool/main/a/amarok-kde4/
[16:03] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/72409/
[16:03] <thompa> but adding this deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main does not work re the main web page
[16:03] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: then use wget <deb file>
[16:03] <DaSkreech> thompa: poke someone in #kubuntu-devel
[16:04] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: I even mounted /dev/sdd4 as /boot to see if stage1 is there... and it is
[16:04] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: I got it thanks
[16:04] <thompa> thought i was doing something wrong, i guess its the link
[16:05] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: id just wait til its official release, less problems
[16:05] <DaSkreech> in 4 years
[16:06] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: i would like to play files on my other box on home network
[16:06] <Dai> i've tried User Agent Switcher but now i can't even go to the page to write a new message
[16:06] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip1: He's trying to use it so that you have less problems
[16:06] <Dai> i think i'll just write my mails on the 'mobile' version
[16:06] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: do you mean the same files, or control amarok remotely?
[16:06] <DaSkreech> thompa: CAn't amarok 1.4 do that now?
[16:06] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: you got any idea why this is not working?
[16:06] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: was using rythmbox and it wont do it
[16:06] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: No idea what you are doing.
[16:06] <DaSkreech> Oh wait
[16:07] <DaSkreech> pastebin :-D
[16:07] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: I gave you the pastebin
[16:07] <thompa> DaSkreech: im going to try it again
[16:07] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: if you want to control amarok remotely and have the sound come out of the amarok box's sound card you can instalL XUL remote
[16:07] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/72409/
[16:07] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: controlling it REQUIRES firefox based browsers
[16:07] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: thats interesting ill try that
[16:07] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: is that what you wanted to be able to do?
[16:08] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: can i add a netwrok directory through my wirless and play those tunes
[16:08] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: if you can ping the ip yuo can do it
[16:08] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: i got a bunch of mps on one box and i can open and play them on the laptop but not add the folder
[16:08] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23630
[16:09] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: its a script you add to amarok
[16:09] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: that sounds good
[16:09] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: IMHO it looks alright... sdd2 --> (hd3,1)  everything else grub won't even accept
[16:09] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: oh if you wanna just access the same files, you could share the folder then mount it
[16:10] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: thats were I had some trouble
[16:10] <ubuntu> j #ubuntuforums
[16:10] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: then read some samba tutorials
[16:11] <DaSkreech> judgen: Nice
[16:11] <judgen> DaSkreech: thanks
[16:12] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: you mounted the drive and it's fine ?
[16:12] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: hmmm, I think I have solved the mystery...
[16:12] <DaSkreech> which is?
[16:13] <sourcemaker> I have a urgent problem with VPN... I am connected with a windows VPN server... but the application i am using is blocked (kernel martian source error...)
[16:13] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: in the live cd I just run: sudo apt-get install grub and it downloaded a few things...
[16:13] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: I think the remote is better, but I know rythmbox will not play samba configured folders so I am trying amarok, thanks again
[16:13] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Oh dear
[16:14] <sourcemaker> KERNEL ERROR: martian source and ll header) !!
[16:14] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: now it run fine :)
[16:14] <ubuntu> rebooting now ;)
[16:14] <DaSkreech> which Cd is that?
[16:15] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: I think it's kubuntu 8.04 64bit...
[16:15] <toxic_> test
[16:15] <DaSkreech> alright
[16:15] <DaSkreech> judgen: What's the name of that theme?
[16:15] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: what's the name to find what kubuntu version you're running? something with lsb
[16:16] <DaSkreech> lsb_release -a
[16:16] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: kubuntu 8.04 hardy (probably beta version)
[16:16] <DaSkreech> right ok
[16:17] <ubuntu> I don't recall having been require to apt-get grub first with another desktop cd
[16:18] <DaSkreech> Me either
[16:18] <ubuntu> I'll reboot now... thx for helping
[16:22] <judgen> DaSkreech: Oxygen
[16:22] <DaSkreech> judgen: Thanks
[16:24] <piquadrat> Hi! I'd like not to use gtk-qt4, therefore I created a custom .gtkrc-2.0 file. But on every login, a file gtkrc-2.0-kde4 is created, which overrules my customized settings. GTK2-Apps only respect my settings after I delete that file. What program or service could be responsible for this reappearing .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 thingy?
[16:25] <judgen> DaSkreech: is there a way to see if fsaa works in kde4's compositing?
[16:25] <judgen> i think i cn see it but i dont know.
[16:26] <judgen> I dont know but i dont think compiz comes even close to the speed and responsiveness to kde4* compositing.
[16:27] <judgen> but resizing windows over here is behaving silly. Like it has ticks or ADHD
[16:27] <|DarkSmoke|> guys
[16:27] <|DarkSmoke|> if i get a source from apt of program
[16:27] <|DarkSmoke|> with sudo apt-get source x
[16:28] <|DarkSmoke|> will it compile in a deb package?
[16:28] <judgen> it should compile it to a deb package.. yes. As long as you have the build tools ofcourse.
[16:29] <|DarkSmoke|> judgen: how do you do it
[16:29] <|DarkSmoke|> i remember when i got the official kernel source once, there was some script in the debian/ folder
[16:29] <judgen> rofl google has been surpassed in web hits by both flickr and youtube. That cant be right.
[16:30] <aomegax4> Hi, I have kubuntu 8.04. I have a ext3 partition, so when I open Dolphin I see it but when I mount it I haven't permission to write
[16:31] <aomegax4> how can I do?
[16:31] <ActionParsnip1> aomegax4: what command are you mounting with?
[16:32] <aomegax4> nothing...by Dolphin it mounts itself
[16:32] <aomegax4> (kde 4)
[16:34] <ArkoldThos> aomegax4: probably you need to fsck
[16:34] <Ayabara> I run kubuntu 8.10 on a laptop with nvidia graphics, and I still think it's a little slow. do I have to tweak something to make it more responsive?
[16:34] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: are you fully updated?
[16:35] <Ayabara> ActionParsnip1: I believe so.
[16:35] <aomegax4> what can I do?
[16:35] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:35] <Ayabara> ActionParsnip1: I mean. I _am_ fully upgraded :-)
 what must I do?
[16:37] <ArkoldThos> check if your partition isn't damaged
[16:39] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: what card you got?
[16:39] <Ayabara> ActionParsnip1: 8600M GT
[16:39] <athlonkaempfer> cu
[16:40] <Ayabara> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.2/obj-i486-linux-gnu/lib/libkdecore.so', needed by `lib/libkipi.so.5.0.0'.  Stop. <- anyone got an idea what's wrong/missing?
[16:41] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: may help http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?p=47495
[16:41] <axiom> Having an odd sound issue, startup and shutdown sounds work fine, but all other sounds do not work
[16:41] <axiom> If I run "sudo alsa force-reload" sound comes back, but it sounds awful
[16:42] <axiom> kmix seems to have no effect on any of this, is there something else I should be using?
[16:44] <Ayabara> ActionParsnip1: thanks, I'll try it out. What's weird is that for me Compiz-Fusion in Gnome is fast, but Kde is slow
[16:45] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: kwin you mean
[16:45] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: compiz runs with kde, kwin runs with kde
[16:45] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: kde is the desktop, kwin is the default window manager
[16:46] <Ayabara> ActionParsnip1: I know, I just express myself badly :)
[16:46] <ActionParsnip1> just an fyi :D
[16:46] <snarkster> is this the right channel for 4.1.2 discussion?
[16:46] <DaSkreech> snarkster: that would be #kde unless it's directly kubuntu related
[16:47] <snarkster> ok well im not sure so here goes.. Is there anyway to get around notifier and automount  a cd?
[16:50] <snarkster> hmm guess not
[16:51] <ActionParsnip1> snarkster: so you wanna disable automount?
[16:52] <snarkster> no i want automount to work..
[16:53] <snarkster> I dont want to have to click openwith dolphin everytime to get it to mount
[16:54] <maxi__> no runing google earth
[16:54] <snarkster> so i put in a cd.. device notifier tells me there is a new cd, but DOES not automount it
[16:54] <ActionParsnip1> snarkster: set media options maybe, is there no "remember my option"
[16:54] <snarkster> where to find media options?
[16:57] <snarkster> ActionParsnip1: where do i find media options? Ive been thru system settings and havent noticed anything with that wording
[16:58] <ActionParsnip1> no idea man, i dont use kwin
[16:58] <snarkster> but your in the kubuntu channel? haha thats cool
[16:59] <ActionParsnip1> but id imagine thats it, is there no option to remember the choice ?
[16:59] <snarkster> no
[16:59] <snarkster> not that ive seen
[17:00] <snarkster> ok well google searches dont show much either, guess this is the new way things are going to be.
[17:00] <snarkster> with that said Im off to D2
[17:00] <snarkster> later
[17:17] <DarkriftX> um..... i update everytime i see there are updates, but right now there are 906 updates
[17:17] <DarkriftX> that seems a little odd that every part of my system was updated while i slept :S
[17:17] <ActionParsnip1> DarkriftX: wow crazy
[17:17] <ThomasHC> hello
[17:17] <DarkriftX> i mean that there are updates to everything all in one day
[17:17] <ActionParsnip1> DarkriftX: what data size is it?
[17:18] <DarkriftX> 768mb dl. 213 isntalled
[17:18] <DarkriftX> xserver, xorg, x11...... going backwards its the whole system
[17:19] <DarkriftX> seems liek a distupgrade
[17:19] <ActionParsnip1> yikes, does a bit
[17:19] <navid> hey guys
[17:20] <ActionParsnip1> hi navid
[17:20] <navid> i'm a beginner
[17:20] <navid> i needed to know how can i instal firefox on my kde
[17:21] <navid> i have the tar.bz file
[17:21]  * DarkriftX took the plunge
[17:21] <DarkriftX> wait, everything is downloading from debian unstable :S
[17:21] <DarkriftX> taht doesnt look normal
[17:21] <navid> anybody can help me?
[17:22] <DarkriftX> navid, in a command prompt
[17:22] <navid> yeah
[17:22] <ActionParsnip1> navid: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[17:23] <DarkriftX> sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[17:23] <ActionParsnip1> navid: you dont need to manually download stuff much
[17:23] <ThomasHC> ya navid Just use Adept
[17:23] <navid> ok is that all?
[17:23] <ThomasHC> Yep
[17:23] <ThomasHC> It's easy
[17:24] <ActionParsnip1> yep thats all
[17:24] <navid> ok thanks
[17:24] <ActionParsnip1> navid: almost all software you'll install is in repos
[17:24] <navid> i don't know how to thank you?
[17:24] <ThomasHC> And if it isn't, it's in another repo
[17:25] <DarkriftX> ack, installing emdebian for a project i had added debian unstable to my repos
[17:25] <ActionParsnip1> navid: just be cool
[17:26] <navid> if i had the gz file so what should i do?
[17:26] <DarkriftX> delete it
[17:26] <navid> why?
[17:27] <DarkriftX> ok.... you can frame it
[17:27] <DarkriftX> your first downloaded but useless gz file
[17:27] <ThomasHC> You don't need
[17:27] <ThomasHC> it at ALL
[17:27] <ActionParsnip1> navid: you can install from source by compiling it
[17:27] <navid> aha!
[17:27] <ActionParsnip1> navid: as a newb id stick to repos and learn the OS
[17:27] <ThomasHC> and besides