[04:26] <quietone> mezquitale: I made it! (still consider myself new to IRC)
[04:26] <mezquitale> go ahead and ask our question
[04:27] <quietone> I have a dell inspiron and the internal mic volume is so low it is useless. when I use VoIP I must go to Vista. I have used alsamixer to max volume but still I hear a whisper. Read forums, a while ago, with no changes to problem.
[04:29] <mezquitale> quietone, I have heard of a problem like that, dont know of a solution, my suggestion would be for you to file a bug report and suggest to get it fixed
[04:29] <mezquitale> quietone, my other suggestion is to install gnome-alsamixer and try changing the volume with that utility
[04:30] <mezquitale> quietone, the mic is only low while using VoIP?  you can record using the mic fine using another app like  audacity?
[04:31] <quietone> mezquitale: haven't tried audacity. But I found a cmd to record on cmd line and that failed.   Installing gnome-alsamixer now.
[04:32] <mezquitale> quietone, have you tried raising the volume on the mic using the "sound" applet?
[04:34] <quietone> mezquitale: yes. And in 9.10 there are little bars that show that the input is being received. but I have to shout to get above 40%.
[04:36] <quietone> yesterday I tested with dimdim (web conference tool) and in Vista worked like a charm. In Ubuntu the other person could not hear me. Although, that could be dimdim. In SKYPE I recall that people can't hear me at all.
[04:37] <quietone> I have the same problem with the line in mic on the front. But I don't have a mic to use now. I was testing at my child's music lesson.
[04:37] <mezquitale> I have heard about issues like that with VoIP apps, it might work fine with audacity, you might want to file a bug report and request for the mic on VoIP apps to be fixed
[04:38] <quietone> mezquitale: i will consider that but which site do i use to file a bug report. is this a gnome thing or ubuntu or something else?
[04:39] <mezquitale> use launchpad
[04:40] <quietone> ooh I just noticed lots of errors when I started gnome-alsamixer...
[04:40] <mezquitale> it's a hardware issue
[04:41] <mezquitale> what's the laptop that you have?
[04:41] <quietone> Dell Inspiron 1525 bought in May 2008
[04:44] <mezquitale> quietone, you have to raise the volume on a setting called digital capture
[04:46] <mezquitale> quietone, youre using karmic?
[04:46] <quietone> yes. looking for digital capture.
[04:50] <quietone> gnome-alsamixer gives me three sliders for Capture with a tickbox Rec in each. All are max.
[04:50] <quietone> brb
[09:02] <chiiiiiz> hellooooo!!
[09:02] <chiiiiiz> #join #ubuntu-fr
[11:31] <edakiri> what program can search through or filter photos based on aperture used?
[13:52] <technokrat2> hui.. this channel exists, fine :)
[13:52] <technokrat2> hi, i want to connect my old m-audio ozone usb keyboard to ubuntu, should i use ubuntustudio or can i use my normal karmic koala? has someome more infos about m-audio ozone for me?
[13:53] <BolachaJohn> afaik it shouldnt make a difference, comatibility-wise, which version you use.
[13:53] <BolachaJohn> i dont know that ozone stuff, but i suspect it should work
[13:54] <technokrat2> lsusb only shows "Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0763:2808 Midiman"
[13:55] <edakiri> technokrat2: will matter if you want low latency or synchronized sound due to U-Studio using jackd and Asm kernel semaphores
[13:55] <technokrat2> ok, latency is no matter, just want to use the 24bit adc
[13:55] <BolachaJohn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/220551
[13:56] <BolachaJohn> this one states it DOES work using the non-RT kernel though ;)
[14:21] <technokrat2> puh.. trying to get madfuload to work, but then i - again - encountered a pulseaudio problem, missing alsa libs.. i give up, it is not so important
[14:24] <technokrat2> maybe gonna try out ubuntustudio soon, first prepare another machine for new installation
[14:24] <technokrat2> bye bye
[17:20] <paradoxuncreated> http://www.renoise.com/board/index.php?showtopic=24402
[17:32] <holstein> i thought it was pronounced 'wren-wah'
[17:32] <holstein> i heard a friend on a pcast say it
[17:32] <holstein> re noise
[17:32] <holstein> and i slapped my head
[17:33] <holstein> i guess either could work
[17:33] <holstein> you using renoise paradoxuncreated ?
[17:33] <holstein> looks nice
[17:33] <holstein> stupid easy to install/run
[17:41] <paradoxuncreated> holstein: Yes.


[00:08] <zorael> how ready for daily use is raring's (kernel's) btrfs?
[00:12]  * penguin42 hasn't used btrfs - imho it's not just hte kernel, it's the tools as well that you need to check are up to date
[02:58] <MechanisM> hello! I'm trying to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04 and having same issue as described here http://askubuntu.com/questions/222296/cant-upgrade-to-ubuntu-13-04-development-release
[02:59] <BluesKaj> tried the 3.7 kernel on 12.10 ...no go , just a black screen , no responses from KB or mouse , so no tty ...had to reinstall the OS
[03:01] <MechanisM> when I'm running "update-manager -d" it shows new version, I"m clicking upgrade and it's closed. when trying do-release-upgrade it's showing me "No new release found"
[03:03] <BluesKaj> MechanisM, the 13.04 release uses the 3,7 kernel , good li=uck with it ..your command for a development release is ," sudo do-release-upgrade -d "
[03:04] <BluesKaj> BBL
[03:04] <MechanisM> thanxx
[03:13] <MechanisM> ohh upgrade packages will be downloaded 1,3GB?? It's better to download cd and reinstall then..
[06:23] <gnomefreak> anyone here that can tell me if libreadline5 is needed?
[06:26] <gnomefreak> im getting really tired of apport crashing everytime i try to file a bug on unity, all other packages seem fine
[12:21] <Walther> Uhh, weird error
[12:21] <Walther> Err http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com raring Release.gpg                                                   Cannot initiate the connection to fi.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:708:310:54::102). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:708:310:54::102 80]
[12:22] <Walther> I can't get any updates anymore, as apt-get seems to be defaulting to ipv6
[12:22] <Walther> which seems not to be supported by my carrier (not surprised, this is only a mobile data connection tethered)
[12:39] <fanys> hello everbyody
[12:41] <penguin42> hey
[12:43] <fanys> does anybody know how to install wine1.5 to my raring? i am having problems with multiarch deps
[12:44] <fanys> or when it will be possible to install
[12:44] <bekks> fanys: Do you use aptitude?
[12:44] <fanys> no, just apt-get
[12:44] <fanys> shoud i try it?
[12:44] <fanys> should*
[12:44] <bekks> No :) aptitude has a brokenb multiarch handling afaik.
[12:44] <fanys> yeah :D
[12:45] <fanys> any idea?
[12:51] <penguin42> fanys: So what errors do you get when you do what?
[12:52] <fanys> everything leads to libc6:i386
[12:52] <penguin42> so, install it
[12:52] <fanys> i can't - it depends on debconf:i386
[12:52] <penguin42> so, install it
[12:53]  * penguin42 has libc6:i386 installed
[12:53] <fanys> can't - it ends up in dep hell
[12:53] <penguin42> fanys: Can you use a pastebin to show the actual errors you're seeing
[12:54] <fanys> yes
[12:54] <fanys> http://pastebin.com/qwMjJU4A
[12:55] <fanys> it is in czech :/
[12:55] <penguin42> can you do the same thing proceeding it with a LANG=C please :-)
[12:55] <fanys> i'll try to
[12:56] <penguin42> just do   LANG=C apt-get whatever
[12:56]  * penguin42 guesses 'ale nebude se instalovat' is not going to be installed
[12:58] <fanys> http://pastebin.com/eQzvE9Rs
[13:00] <penguin42> where are you getting wine1.5 from - I don't see it in my package set?

[13:04] <yofel_> bekks: aptitude's multiarch handling works again since quantal, just safe-upgrade still doesn't work as well as before.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:03] <penguin42> Hey BK
[14:05] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42, still no luck with the 3.7 kernel , even on 12.10
[14:18] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Interesting; what's the last thing you're seeing?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> penguin42, nothing, it wouldn't boot
[14:23] <penguin42> you just get a blackscreen?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> yup. no cursor , no response to KB or mouse , so I had to reinstall , since I couldn't remove the kernel with the live cd or even update grub
[14:25] <penguin42> but grub lets you just choose the previous kernel, you don't need to reinstall for one bad kernel
[14:26] <BluesKaj> there was no grub menu period, there was no way of bringing it up
[14:26] <penguin42> you tried repeatedly banging the right shift straight after the bios?
[14:27] <penguin42> it normally isn't displayed at all
[14:27] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:27] <penguin42> that's unusual
[14:27] <BluesKaj> it is on this pc , i have other OS partitions
[14:27] <penguin42> yeh
[14:29] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I tend to edit /etc/default/grub to give me a second or two to prod it
[14:30] <penguin42> BluesKaj: If you set GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false  and increase GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT  then run grub-update   it should display a message and give you a few seconds
[14:31] <BluesKaj> I tried to reinstall grub to the / on this partition using the live cd , but it couldn't find it
[14:31] <penguin42> if it's booting then you shouldn't need to rewrangle grub
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yes I have the time out set to 10 secs
[14:32] <BluesKaj> it 's fine now that i'm using the latest 3.5 kernel
[14:33] <penguin42> next time you feel like trying it, install the kernel then follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot   to get it to give all the boot messages and then you have a chance of seeing what's up
[14:35] <BluesKaj> penguin42, it's no point , the kernel doesn't boot here, period
[14:36] <BluesKaj> I'm very famliar with that boot proicedure , I've suggested to many ppl over the yrs
[14:42] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's really really odd to get *nothing* out when booting a kernel though; I mean to stop after a few lines sure, but nothing is relaly odd
[14:42] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What CPU is in there?
[14:44] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I know someone else who has boot problems with the Ubuntu 3.7, but that's giving him some output and it's stopping at the calibrating TSC, that's on an early 64bit P4
[14:45] <BluesKaj> amd 64
[14:45] <BluesKaj>  here
[14:46] <gnomefreak> ubuntu 3.7?
[14:46] <gnomefreak> hi penguin42 BluesKaj
[14:47] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, 3.7 kernel
[14:48] <gnomefreak> ah
[14:48] <BluesKaj> I have an early band practice today ...gotta go , talk to you guys later
[14:48] <gnomefreak> are you both on 13.04, and can try to reproduce a bug for me?
[14:49] <penguin42> sure
[14:49] <gnomefreak> s/both/both of you
[14:49] <gnomefreak> penguin42: bug 1082658
[14:51] <penguin42> right, let me just boot my raring vm - my main machine is running KDE raring
[14:52] <gnomefreak> penguin42: cool thanks
[14:53] <penguin42> it's thinking
[14:54] <gnomefreak> i am too but i bet yours will be done first
[14:54] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Do you get that immediately, it's asking me if it's a purely graphical issue or not?
[14:54] <gnomefreak> penguin42: it show the apport collecting than crashes. its not recording crash in /var/crash either
[14:55] <gnomefreak> penguin42: i had that message once or twice but not normally
[14:55] <gnomefreak> and yes it is graphical
[14:56]  * gnomefreak wonders if i can get away with filing the bug under gnome than add unity to the bug than apport-collect
[14:56] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Are you in a non-english language?
[14:56] <gnomefreak> penguin42: no
[14:56] <gnomefreak> penguin42: i am english as a first language
[14:56] <penguin42> hmm, so it's got as far as firefox for me
[14:57] <penguin42> gah and then my X has died
[14:57] <gnomefreak> thats not good
[14:57] <penguin42> it's bug 1043513 which I've done a patch for
[14:57] <penguin42> gnomefreak: But it doesn't look like I've hit your bug
[14:58] <gnomefreak> penguin42: thanks for testing. sorry about X
[14:58] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Hey it's only my VM, not a problem
[15:00]  * gnomefreak goes for ssmoke and to think be back soon
[15:01] <penguin42> gnomefreak: The reason I mention the non-english is the error looks like a non-ascii type thing
[15:08]  * gnomefreak looks
[15:08] <gnomefreak> penguin42: from this "UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\xed' in position 40: ordinal not in range(128)"
[15:09] <penguin42> yeh that's what made me think that
[15:10] <gnomefreak> if i had to guess i would say that is exactly why its crashing
[15:10] <penguin42> nod
[15:10] <penguin42> so if you're running in English (like me) where the heck is it getting the \xed from
[15:10] <gnomefreak> not sure
[15:11]  * penguin42 doesn't know Python, so can't really help much
[15:11] <gnomefreak> i know a little python but not enough to figure this out
[15:12] <gnomefreak> penguin42: how hard is it to set-up/run a vm?
[15:13] <penguin42> gnomefreak: easy
[15:13] <gnomefreak> ive been using Ubuntu since brezzy dev cycle and still havent tried a vm
[15:13] <penguin42> gnomefreak: There are a few choices, I use kvm, some use virtualbox
[15:14] <penguin42> I just use virt-manager to run it
[15:15]  * gnomefreak goes in search of a wiki
[15:18] <gnomefreak> is kvm gui or cli?
[15:19] <penguin42> gnomefreak: kvm is the stuff at the back, virt-manager provides a gui
[15:21] <IdleOne> you might try testdrive
[15:22] <penguin42> gnomefreak: http://www.treblig.org/pics/withkvm.png
[15:24] <gnomefreak> does it use the main $HOME or does it make its own?
[15:25] <penguin42> gnomefreak: It's a virtual machine, so it's got it's own disk image, it's all self contained
[15:25] <gnomefreak> good
[15:26] <penguin42> gnomefreak: you can completely nuke the vm and not lose anything on the host
[15:26] <gnomefreak> testdrive is the frontend for kvm?
[15:27] <gnomefreak> i hated chroot due to it using main home dir, and i lost alot a bunch of times for not shutting it down properly
[15:30] <penguin42> yeh chroot isn't really designed for trying new installs in - things are just too complex these days
[15:31] <gnomefreak> i was using chroot to test things and build packages
[15:32] <gnomefreak> ok this wiki looks old https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation  anything more up-to-date with testdrive would be nice to but using search im not finding anything that looks helpful after the pre-install checklist
[15:33] <penguin42> gnomefreak: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/VirtManager   is virt-manager, I've not tried testdrive
[15:34] <gnomefreak> penguin42: thanks that looks alot more helpful than all the ones i looked at
[16:18] <yofel> penguin42: testdrive manages testing of ubuntu (and flavour) daily images. You can sync the images and run them in a VM with it
[16:19] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh, just never used it
[16:20] <yofel> it's nice for quick tests. For the actual install tests I run kvm by hand too
[16:21] <gnomefreak> i have to wait until my brain gets back from vacation before i can try it
[16:24] <IdleOne> if your brain has any brains it won't come back from vacation
[16:24] <IdleOne> :)
[16:25] <gnomefreak> lol
[18:00] <penguin42> yofel: Hmm screen lock in k+1 is annoying me
[18:00] <yofel> what's wrong with it?
[18:00] <penguin42> hmm
[18:01] <penguin42> yofel: When you've got the unlock screen up there doesn't seem to be anyway to get it to go away and relock (I've filed a bug on that) and also sometimes it doesn't seem to want to take my password until I explicitly click in the entry
[18:02] <yofel> I didn't really notice the first point, but yeah, the password field focus isn't really reliable yet
[18:03] <penguin42> yofel: I notice the 1st one because my computer is next to me and when I'm trying to watch TV in hte dark I like it to be black screen
[18:05] <penguin42> yofel: That's kde bug 311116
[18:26] <Guest77324> hello, I'm on nautilus 3.6.3 and when selecting "connect to server", I'm entering url like sftp://root@hostname/ but its sends me to user home dir sftp://root@hostname/root so I can't move to filesystem root. how to solve this?
[18:27] <Guest77324> in previous versions of nautolus I was able to move over all directories when I'm connected as root
[18:29] <bekks> using nautilus as root is a bad habbit.
[18:30] <Guest77324> bekks: I'm connecting to server via sftp as root, nautilus running not as root
[18:31] <bekks> sftp as root doesnt make things better ;)
[18:31] <bekks> I'd use a SFTP capable FTP-client, instead of nautilus.
[18:32] <Guest77324> I love mounting folders
[18:32] <Guest77324> and add to favourites
[18:33] <trism> Guest77324: can't you just ctrl+L and navigate to /? (or anywhere else)
[18:34] <Guest77324> yes I can, but I never used this when was using old nautilus in ubuntu 12.04
[18:42] <trism> Guest77324: I see what you mean, though the bookmarks seem to work, might just be a new design decision
[18:43] <Guest77324> I know it's sends me to root home dir, so I'll go in / and will add this to bookmarks.
[18:43] <trism> Guest77324: as in, I bookmarked / after connecting to the server and it let me auto connect back to / later (didn't bring me to the home directory)
[18:43] <Guest77324> After today upgrade from 12.10, some bookmarks lost
[18:44] <trism> oh I hadn't upgraded yet, let me look
[18:44] <Guest77324> trism: yes, same did I
[18:46] <Guest77324> I mean in old nautilus, when I connected as root, I'm jumped to /root folder, but I'm at least have seen / in breadcrumbs. now if I'm connected in new nautilus, it's showing me root as start of crumbs.
[18:46] <Guest77324> so I was confused. ctrl +L helped me.
[18:47] <trism> Guest77324: oh I see, well it doesn't look like we have any theming done for nautilus yet, so the breadcrumbs may be easier to see once it is themed for ambiance
[18:49] <Guest77324> themed nice. I mean there wasn't any option to go somwhere prior root folder(in crumbs)
[18:51] <trism> Guest77324: yeah I just noticed that when I looked again, sorry, I thought there would be a little arrow next to it
[18:51] <trism> Guest77324: might be worth filing a bug about that if there isn't one already
[18:51] <Guest77324> yes, yes
[18:52] <Guest77324> sorry it's my bad english. I'm badly explained the probles, but you understand me.
[18:52] <Guest77324> problem*
[18:55] <Guest77324> ohhh.. I'm unable to create file in nautilus 3.6.3!!
[18:55] <Guest77324> there's no any option in context menu
[18:55] <Guest77324> I see option for folder, but no for file
[18:57] <bjsnider> Guest77324, this has been addressed
[18:58] <bjsnider> in your home/Templates folder create an empty file called whatever you want
[18:58] <bjsnider> then you will see the option in the context menu
[18:58] <Guest77324> ok, thanx
[19:02] <Guest77324> lol, i've used "touch ~/Templates/empty_file", coz I'm was unable to create file yet.
[19:21] <trism> Guest77324: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683353 seems related too (comment 6 definitely)
[19:22] <Guest77324> trism: yep smth like that
[23:40] <jtaylor> what was the command to get info, like the executable path, of a gui application?
[23:40] <jtaylor> kind of like xwininfo but different info
[23:41] <penguin42> hmm
[23:41] <penguin42> xlsclients?
[23:42] <trism> jtaylor: xprop?
[23:42] <jtaylor> trism: thx thats what I was looking for
[23:43] <penguin42> ooh not seen that one before
[23:46] <penguin42> doing that with -root gets some interesting stuff
[23:47] <jtaylor> well using it was not such a great idea ._.
[23:47] <jtaylor> crashed my machine
[23:47] <penguin42> just X I assume?
[23:47] <jtaylor> no idea, probably memory leak
[23:48] <jtaylor> got unusable, no patience to wait until a tty reacts
[23:48] <penguin42> what window did you run it on?
[23:48] <jtaylor> activity log manager, but on 12.10
[23:49] <penguin42> what's activity log manager?
[23:50] <jtaylor> gives some control on what zeitgeist does
[23:50] <penguin42> how would I start it?
[23:50] <jtaylor> privacy in the dash
[23:50] <penguin42> ah ok
[23:51] <penguin42> jtaylor: Fine here
[23:51] <jtaylor> it might have been something else and my action at the time was just a coincidence
[23:51] <jtaylor> can't reproduce it
[23:52] <penguin42> hohum


[09:55] <nikel123> hi
[09:55] <nikel123> can anyone tell me default user/password for ubuntu-studio 12.10 live-dvd?
[11:43] <astraljava> Did somebody pull a practical joke, or did that dude just not know what he was on about?
[12:18] <scott-work> ailo-w: i also wanted to give some thought to making some decisions and documentating them about the positions within the team during this cycle
[12:18] <scott-work> i don't think it's necessary that is has to be done during this cycle or even in the blueprints though
[12:19] <knome> will somebody register sessions for US for UDS?
[12:20] <scott-work> knome: i'm not sure we are. i don't think there are any plans to do so
[12:20] <scott-work> i can't think of any where we really need pervasive outside involvement (although i'm probably wrong and missing something very blatant)
[12:20] <knome> there's at least ailo and micahg around
[12:20] <scott-work> yay!
[12:20] <knome> well, it would fill my schedule at least a bit more
[12:21] <scott-work> hehe
[12:21] <knome> i would definitely participate
[12:22] <scott-work> i'm excited for ailo to be going. i think it is his first UDS and i'm glad we will have someone there
[12:22] <scott-work> i believe he is also going to have direct talks with someone from UKT to finish up the kernel maintenance transition
[12:22] <scott-work> (which probably wouldn't move as expediently otherwise)
[12:23] <knome> yeah, good to see some people from US face-to-face too
[12:23] <knome> astraljava of course doesn't count as he's not "people"
[12:24] <scott-work> ailo-w: would you be opposed to me making a TEAM blueprint to list the positions we think we need, their responsibilities, terms for project lead, how to establish a new one, and the mission statement?
[12:25] <knome> that sounds like strategy document planning
[12:26] <scott-work> aye, i would agree
[12:26] <scott-work> my personal plan has been to stay as lead until the next LTS, but i think it would serve the project better if we decided something formally, even if it isn't until the next LTS ;)
[12:27] <knome> :)
[12:27] <scott-work> and while i admit that being ubuntu studio project lead has become part of my identify (even outside of ubuntu), i think it would be better for the project if someone else lead for a while, much like cory stated and did when i started
[12:30] <knome> maybe
[12:31] <knome> especially if you can't commit enough time
[12:31] <scott-work> true. very, very true
[12:33] <astraljava> knome: True.
[12:34] <scott-work> i upgraded one of my video/minecraft machines to 12.10 the other day, now i'm doing my laptop today at work :)
[12:34] <knome> err, "minecraft machine" :P
[12:36] <astraljava> What, out of that sentence above, "minecraft machine" worries you more? *blink* *blink*
[12:38] <astraljava> scott-work: How about that LP account?
[12:48] <ailo-w> knome: sessions?
[12:49] <ailo-w> scott-work: A team blueprint might be a good idea, yes
[12:49] <ailo-w> I have been thinking in those terms as well
[12:49] <ailo-w> bb later, going home now
[13:17] <scott-work> astraljava: i searched within launchpad and only found the single account for me, i'll link it
[13:18] <scott-work> astraljava: https://launchpad.net/~slavender
[13:18] <scott-work> can you show me the other one? i'm rather curious now
[13:19] <scott-work> knome: well, i have three kids and i resorted to having a couple of machines setup for minecraft to keep them off of my computers so i can actually use them
[14:23] <smartboyhw> hi scott-work ailo
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Now what is that TEAM blueprint about?
[14:36] <scott-work> hi smartboyhw
[14:37] <scott-work> "list the positions we think we need, their responsibilities, terms for project lead, how to establish a new one, and the mission statement"
[14:37] <smartboyhw> scott-work, so really am I not understanding it wrong, that you wanna step down as project lead? (In today's IRC logs
[14:38] <scott-work> smartboyhw: not particularly
[14:38] <smartboyhw> scott-work, explain the logs please then: would be better for the project if someone else lead for a while, much like cory stated and did when i started"
[14:39] <scott-work> hmmm, clearly i have projected incorrectly how people view either me or the project lead position
[14:39]  * smartboyhw just doesn't understand it
[14:39] <scott-work> in the long view, there exists a point where any project lead will (or should) step down and let someone else lead, IMO
[14:39] <scott-work> i simply want to plan for this eventuality
[14:40] <scott-work> my personal feelings is that any particular lead should not lead the entire project for too long of a period, say from LTS to LTS
[14:40] <smartboyhw> OK is the blueprint made?
[14:40] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ah
[14:40] <smartboyhw> scott-work, actually did you copy that idea from Xubuntu?
[14:40] <scott-work> but i would like this to be discussed as a group, ratified, and documented somewhere
[14:41] <scott-work> smartboyhw: not hostistically, although LTS->LTS did come from them
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Oh did it
[14:42] <scott-work> part of this is from my desire to make sure that the project is in a better position after my term, and i think ensuring that clear leadership can be maintained is important
[14:43] <scott-work> as well as making sure have certain internal processes and internal documentation in place
[14:43] <smartboyhw> :D
[14:43] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:47] <scott-work> we have a lot of blueprints, maybe too many. i wonder if we are going to have commitments to get all of it done
[14:47] <scott-work> perhaps next cycle we draft the list together, get commitments, select which we will focus on based on commitments, and then make blueprints
[14:47] <scott-work> just thinking outloud
[14:48] <smartboyhw> scott-work, too many blueprints really...I got my eye dead on seeing the dependency tree
[14:48] <smartboyhw> ailo, ^
[14:55] <astraljava> scott-work: When I go to change the owner, and type 'Scott Lavender', it complained there's no such account, and suggested either 'slavender', or 'slavender3'.
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Oh
[14:55] <smartboyhw> slavender I think
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Yes scott-work = slavender:P
[14:55] <holstein> we could have a meeting soon and knock a few of those out
[14:55] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Yeah I got that part. I just wanted to double-check with him.
[14:55] <smartboyhw> holstein, we have that idea. Question: When?
[14:56] <holstein> we cant include lmms because of some licensing thing... we have sane jack settings.. thre wre a few more that i thought we had settled before
[14:56] <smartboyhw> holstein, oh?
[14:56] <holstein> smartboyhw: the sundays were working
[14:56] <smartboyhw> holstein, I mean what time....
[14:57] <holstein> smartboyhw: i think it was 1700 utc? i forget
[14:57] <smartboyhw> holstein, then i can't come
[14:57] <holstein> me either
[14:57] <holstein> you could just call one though
[14:57] <astraljava> I don't think that time was working very well.
[14:58] <smartboyhw> holstein, I will not call for one then, let scott-work and ailo do it
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Best time: 14:30 UTC or so?
[14:58] <astraljava> People with families tend to spend it with them instead of us. Can't really understand why, but... *shrug*
[14:58] <smartboyhw> *shrug*
[14:58] <holstein> well, its either family or work time
[14:58] <astraljava> smartboyhw: That's rather early in the morning for US west coast people, ie. Len.
[14:58] <holstein> we'll just have to try a few and see who can come
[14:59] <astraljava> holstein: Work? On a Sunday?
[14:59] <holstein> astraljava: i work routinely on sunday
[14:59] <holstein> astraljava: i have 2 jobs this sunday
[14:59] <astraljava> Yes, but you're not really working. :D
[14:59] <holstein> lol
[14:59] <smartboyhw> astraljava, let us settle on a best time: I can come only on like 12:00 to 15:00 UTC
[15:00] <holstein> i think someone like scott-work should pick the time.. something a "normal" person could attend
[15:00] <holstein> but, im talking about something informal
[15:00] <holstein> just to knock out a few of those action items we've already done
[15:00] <smartboyhw> informal?
[15:00] <astraljava> smartboyhw: I'll be there if I can, but I will not take part in the poll.
[15:00] <smartboyhw> astraljava, oh ok
[15:00] <holstein> yup.. like ping.. lets knock out a few action items!
[15:01] <smartboyhw> holstein, oh ok
[15:01] <astraljava> scott-work: Changed.
[15:02] <holstein> the formal meeting time hasnt been working though
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Doesn't work for me, per se (17:00 UTC would be like 1:00 AM HKT here)
[15:04] <holstein> smartboyhw: iirc, i picked the last time.. you could try choosing a time.. see if it works
[15:04] <smartboyhw> holstein, 14:00 or 14:30 UTC
[15:04] <smartboyhw> for me  at least
[15:04] <smartboyhw> scott-work, you decide:P
[15:07] <astraljava> Set up a poll on one of those services.
[15:07] <smartboyhw> astraljava, ok
[15:08] <holstein> yeah... you'll get a nice cross section of feedback too, like "none of these times work!"
[15:08] <astraljava> I think we used one for some Xubuntu meetings last cycle. Check with knome.
[15:08] <holstein> but.. give it a shot!
[15:09] <astraljava> holstein: Oh, there's someone else like that besides me? :D
[15:09] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:09] <astraljava> holstein: The service gave you the whole of the week, so if none of the slots there work for you, I suppose it's time for a reality check. :)
[15:11] <holstein> well, i personally wont have a regular time that will work.. but some folks will
[15:11] <astraljava> Yeah I didn't really mean it personally 'you', just as a passive.
[15:12] <astraljava> Shoulda used 'one.
[15:12] <astraljava> 'one'*
[15:12] <holstein> yeah... some folks have a more plan-able regular schedule
[15:12] <holstein> informal team meetings as needed could work though
[15:12] <astraljava> Sure, those have had a higher success rate lately.
[15:13] <holstein> gotta run bbl...
[15:14] <smartboyhw> astraljava, holstein len-dt ailo scott-work holstein
[15:14] <smartboyhw> http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=508aa865e4b061e6546aaf2b
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Did I miss anybody?:P
[15:18] <astraljava> Dunno if stochastic is interested. micahg probably don't care as much, but I'll ping him anyway. *smirk* knome, maybe?
[15:19]  * micahg isn't technically part of the project...
[15:19] <astraljava> doesn't*
[15:19] <astraljava> micahg: Hence the 'probably'. :)
[15:20] <smartboyhw> micahg, you are, especially "technically":P
[15:42] <knome> we used doodle.com
[15:58] <knome> so, there's not going to be a US UDS session?
[16:11] <astraljava> You're in a (sub-)team, why won't you set one up?
[16:27] <knome> because my subteam doesn't have items for discussion
[16:27] <knome> but actually, if somebody said you wanted a session, i would've registered that for you.
[16:28] <knome> does have nothing to do who actually has access to stuff or is in teams
[16:37] <astraljava> Yes that's' true.
[16:53] <scott-work> astraljava: i dont' know anything about the '3' person
[16:55] <scott-work> i would venture to say that the poll should have included days of the week as well, my weekends are quite a bit more free than work days
[16:55] <knome> try doodle.
[16:55] <knome> you can even enter your name there.
[17:47] <ailo-away> Been away a while. Will check backscroll when I get home later
[19:35] <len-dt> Sunday is ok. 1700 is too late for me 1600 is tight but ok, 1500 is about right.... in two weeks everything will shift (from -0700 to -0800) so then 1600 will be better.
[21:29] <ailo> All of those times were ok for me
[21:29] <ailo> I can't seem to be able to pick one
[21:53] <knome> ailo, get on with it! :)
[22:34] <ailo> knome: Nope. I can't make up my mind. I'll let someone decide who is married with children
[22:44] <stochastic> astraljava, what day is that poll for?


[00:05] <^Alita> i found a site wich compute the modeline line based on my parameters. now it works, at 16 bit depth. it's a great result
[00:05] <^Alita> thank you for the help
[00:05] <^Alita> even i on't know why it works... :)
[00:41] <calamari> hi
[00:46] <jimmacdonald> Hey, I am trying to install xubuntu-desktop on an ubuntu install and keep getting errors and messages that it's not authenticated. can anyone help?
[00:47] <juhls> No not really...
[00:48] <juhls> It is missing some gpg keys?
[00:48] <jimmacdonald> not sure.
[00:49] <jimmacdonald> I tried switching to the main repos.. lemme see if that helps.
[00:51] <juhls> You should have all the keys...
[00:57] <jimmacdonald> yeah it's not a keys thing.
[01:00] <jimmacdonald> I think it's a US mirror thing... I switched to the main, deleted the .deb's and reinstalled and that worked just fine.
[01:08] <crimsun> nah, that's symptomatic of a broken transparent proxy
[01:11] <R1cochet> is there any way to change the screenlock login screen when coming back from a screensaver
[01:11] <R1cochet> running xscreensaver
[01:21] <cody-somerville> R1cochet, use gnome-screen-saver
[01:21] <R1cochet> not as many options
[01:23] <R1cochet> and i do have gnome-screensaver on autostarted apps in order to get screenlock to work w/ xscreensaver
[01:26] <cody-somerville> What version of Xubuntu are you using?
[01:26] <R1cochet> 8.1
[01:26] <R1cochet> 8.10*
[01:28] <cody-somerville> gnome-screen-saver will be used if installed automatically
[01:31] <R1cochet> it was but i switched to xscreensaver
[01:41] <anom01y> how can I use the usb floppy drive in my computer ? I have Kubuntu installed, and I get /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device
[03:42] <djohngo> Can anyone tell me where the graphic used for the splash screen is hiding?
[03:42] <djohngo> I'd like to use it for xdm as well, instead of the debian logo.
[04:12] <Wick_> How do I get rid of the icons in my desktop? Deleting them didn't work
[04:13] <jmichaelx> as of this evening, the volume control applet will no longer show up in my panel in xubuntu intrepid. i have tried rebooting, as well as simply killing xfce4-panel, and restarting it, but nothing i have tried has worked. any suugestions?
[04:14] <ball> jmichaelx: did you try adding a new one?
[04:14] <jmichaelx> ball, yes. the applet will not show up.
[04:15] <ball> jmichaelx: does your sound hardware continue to work?
[04:15] <jmichaelx> yes, from what i can tell.... let me check again
[04:16] <jmichaelx> ball: yes, sound is working fine
[04:16] <ball> jmichaelx: I'm not sure then, sorry.
[04:17] <ball> jmichaelx: out of interest, can you launch xfce4-mixer from the command line?
[04:17] <jmichaelx> i have never had this issue before. very strange
[04:17] <jmichaelx> ball: i can try
[04:18] <jmichaelx> ball: yes, xfce4-mixer works.... it is just the panel applet that doesn't work
[04:18] <ball> Is it an applet or a launcher?
[04:19] <jmichaelx> a launcher? for volume control?
[04:19]  * ball nods
[04:20] <ball> I'm not sitting at the console, so my speaker icon launches xfce4-mixer
[04:20] <ball> I don't know what the console one does.
[04:20] <jmichaelx> no, i am just speaking of the regular old volume control applet that is always used in xfce, as far as i know
[04:20] <ball> little speaker icon, top right?
[04:21] <jmichaelx> yes, if you click on it, it does launch xfce4-mixer.... but it is the only volume control applet i have ever seen anyone use in xfce
[04:22] <ball> If you hover over it, do you get a slider?
[04:22] <ball> (for master volume)
[04:23] <jmichaelx> ball: i am not sure what you're asking.
[04:23] <jmichaelx> there is only one volume control applet in xfce4
[04:23] <ball> ok
[04:24] <ball> If you right click on the panel and choose "Add new item"
[04:24] <ball> ...can you add xfce4-mixer?
[04:24] <ball> Oh look.
[04:24] <jmichaelx> ball: it does not give that option
[04:25] <ball> I get an "Add Items to the Panel" menu, and one of the things on that menu is "Volume Control"
[04:25] <jmichaelx> ball: ..... yes, that is what i am referring to... i think it is the only thing i could be referring to
[04:26] <jmichaelx> is the applet itself xfce4-mixer/
[04:26] <jmichaelx> ?
[04:26] <ball> I think so.
[04:26] <ball> Try it.
[04:26] <ball> So you don't have an "Add new item" option?
[04:26] <jmichaelx> ball: i have already said two or three times that that is what i have already tried
[04:26] <jmichaelx> yes, i have the add new item option
[04:27] <jmichaelx> the volume control applet, of xfce4-mixer, does not show up
[04:27] <jmichaelx> or*
[04:28] <ball> jmichaelx: dunno then.
[04:29] <jmichaelx> i have tried killing the panel, killing the mixer.... restarting things.... rebooting.... i have used xfce for years, and am familiar with its basic workings. the problem is that it will not show up
[04:29] <ball> Someone in #xfce might know.
[04:29] <jmichaelx> i'm not sure what would have suddenly caused this
[04:30] <jmichaelx> i might have to try there..... i also have kde4.2 beta2 on this machine, and there were a lot of kde updates yesterday.... surely there is not some kind of interference?
[04:31]  * ball shrugs
[04:31] <ball> I know nothing of KDE
[04:32] <hobbsc> is there a way to get xubuntu to open links from the terminal in a new window in firefox, rather than a new tab?
[04:33] <ball> hobbsc: that's probably up to Firefox
[04:33] <ball> Check your preferences.
[04:33] <hobbsc> will do
[04:56] <ball> power cuts ftl
[06:27] <Ultraputz> just ran the alsa-info.sh script -- problem is (hopefully) simple -- cannot get a regular simple desktop mic plugged into soundcard mic jack to record, with or w/o boost.
[06:28] <Ultraputz> recording tool is audacity set to alsa default, 48k sampling rate.
[06:28] <Ultraputz> mic gain up.
[06:28] <Ultraputz> oops
[06:50] <Sinister`> whats that program that tells how fast your hard drive is running?
[12:18] <Craftyfox> Hello
[13:10] <jxander> how could i hear the microphone input using pulseaudio?
[14:21] <LetsGo67> How do I play iTunes FairPlay media in Ubuntu?
[14:22] <vinnl> Sounds like some evil DRM thing that you can only play in iTunes, but I've never heard of it so don't listen to me :P
[14:53] <filipegatti> yo, vinnl
[14:53] <vinnl> Hey filipegatti
[15:53] <ozgurgerilla> Hi all, I have a problem with my atheros wireless card.. When I do sudo iwlist scan it shows the card but doesn't work..
[15:58] <ermoved> can you define "it doesn't work" a little better?
[16:19] <g-hennux> hi!
[16:20] <g-hennux> how do i install nvidia drivers in xubuntu 8.10?
[16:33] <gabkdlly> !nvidia | g-hennux
[16:34] <g-hennux> oh, hi gabkdlly :D
[16:35] <gabkdlly> g-hennux: hi, sometimes it takes a little while for someone to come around, but sometimes your patience is rewarded
[16:35] <g-hennux> gabkdlly: i was just suprised to see you here :) know me? :)
[16:44] <gabkdlly> g-hennux: nope,sorry.  I know a Henning
[16:53] <filipegatti> someone here know what package I need to install to make my eclipse CDT (C++ IDE) compile and run my code? I'm getting the error "Binaries not found".
[16:57] <italomaia> Hi! ö/
[17:00] <italomaia> i need some help to connect my nokia cell phone through usb
[17:00] <italomaia> ubuntu detect's it normally, but xubuntu doesn't
[17:25] <maslen> Can someone help me with a video error of a sort?
[17:26] <maslen> I tried using the minimal isntall CD, but it was giving me problems, so I reinstalled using the alternate install CD. However, on its first boot it got a few errors:
[17:26] <maslen> usplash:Setting mode 640x480 failed
[17:26] <maslen> screen init failed
[17:26] <maslen> 19+0 rcords in
[17:26] <maslen> 19+0 records out
[18:18] <w00t_> hey does anyone have or know where to get a pkg for the newest xfce 4.6?
[18:23] <maslen> havent had a response here in over an hour waiting for one :(
[18:23] <maslen> Can someone help me with a video error of a sort?
[18:23] <maslen> I tried using the minimal isntall CD, but it was giving me problems, so I reinstalled using the alternate install CD. However, on its first boot it got a few errors:
[18:23] <maslen> usplash:Setting mode 640x480 failed
[18:23] <maslen> screen init failed
[18:23] <maslen> 19+0 rcords in
[18:23] <maslen> <19+0 records out
[18:27] <Cew27> hey can anyone tell me how to get my wireless mac adress on xubuntu
[18:29] <g-hennux> is it possible that the "listen" program doesn't like mp3 files in its library?
[18:29] <g-hennux> or ignores them?
[18:32] <maslen> nobody's here :(
[18:32] <maslen> nobody who knows it
[19:03] <w00t_> anyone know a repository for the newest xfce beta2 "hopper"?
[19:11] <knome> w00t_, i suppose there is no repository yet.
[19:20] <w00t_> thx knome
[19:20] <w00t_> im not really good enough to really build it so i'll wait
[19:20] <knome> w00t_, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2008-August/006494.html
[19:22] <w00t_> knome i saw hat, but its not updated for beta2
[19:22] <knome> i know
[19:23] <knome> just asked the guy who sent the email about beta2
[19:24] <lssssssss> ll
[19:24] <lssssssss> hello theregood day 2 u all
[19:24] <knome> lssssssss, you too. couldn't you find any more s's?
[19:27] <lssssssss> i need some help can somebody tell me a page where i can find a step by step guide to install a Kyocera 650 on Xubuntu Intrepid? iam about to install it on my laptop, but firsti want to get info , something simple since i am brand new on this i want to switch to Xubuntu right now so pls any step by step guide to install kyocera 650????
[19:27] <knome> lssssssss, have you googled for it?
[19:28] <lssssssss> yes
[19:28] <knome> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77364
[19:28] <knome> have you followed that thread?
[19:28] <lssssssss> the think is that the lenguage is kinnda complicated and ... let me take a lokk at that one thxs
[19:29] <knome> it's for 5.04, but i suppose many things will work automatically
[19:29] <knome> but if not, the architecture should still be the same
[19:29] <knome> !forums
[19:29] <lssssssss> ok lets see it
[19:30] <knome> you can also search the forums
[19:34] <lssssssss> it says something about creating a dialer to verizon i believe that must be the service provider right?  in my case the provider is Iusacell so instead of verizon i should right iusacell right???
[19:36] <maslen> wait .... someones here!
[19:42] <forces> saluton
[19:48] <ElcMawr> hi there. does a linux graphics driver exist for an ATI Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x chipset please? got a laptop with tiny screen size, so i guess we're not talking to the graphics chip properly. Available resolutions are only 800.600 / 640.480  :(
[19:53] <forces> ElcMawr, check ati web page
[20:02] <ElcMawr> i did; nothing there... hoped someone might know what else to try
[20:18] <forces> os[Linux 2.6.24-19-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 1.80GHz] mem[Physical: 438.9MB, 61.7% free] disk[Total: 1.9GB, 19.1% free] video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 430] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia]
[20:18] <forces> :P
[20:24] <jdwpom> Don't suppose anyone's seen any major issues after an update, recently, have they?
[20:26] <jdwpom> Pkay, so, just me then.  Anyone willing to give me a quick list of what runs during startup?  We're looking at the 'just after you've logged in' section of things, just after it attempts to display a desktop.
[20:28] <jdwpom> Okay,cool, fantastic.
[20:28]  * jdwpom sighs
[21:12] <cmdbbq> hello, i am getting ready to install xubuntu 8.04, but i did a disk check on the cd i burned and it had errors, before i burn another i want to check the ISO file, where can I gat an md5sum for the x86 image?
[21:12] <crimsun> the alternate or the desktop image?
[21:13] <cmdbbq> desktop
[21:13] <crimsun> ok, check the MD5SUMS file at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/8.04.1/release/
[21:13] <cmdbbq> thanks
[21:14] <crimsun> and please remember to grab 8.04.1 instead of 8.04 - although 8.04.2 will be out shortly =)
[21:15] <cmdbbq> yeah, i got it from the main site so it is 9.04.1
[21:15] <cmdbbq> er 8.04.1
[21:25] <crimsun> whew, 9.04.1 =)
[21:37] <jdwpom> So, being kind of new to linux in general, is there anything available that can show me exactly what's happening at startup? Something' killing my system at boot, and, well, I'd like to know what.
[21:38] <TheSheep> jdwpom: dmesg and /var/log/*
[21:38] <TheSheep> jdwpom: you can also press 'esc' at boot, select your linux, press 'e', select the kernel line, select 'e' again and remove the 'quiet' from it, then press 'b'
[21:39] <jdwpom> It's happening after login - will that still be in the 'non-quiet' version of things?
[21:39] <TheSheep> no
[21:40] <TheSheep> it may be in .xsession-errors in your home
[21:42] <Neff> I get an error when i opten Synaptic that says E: The package conexant needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. E: Intermal error opening cache (1). Please report.
[21:43] <Neff> and when i try to install it i get dependency errors
[21:44] <jdwpom> excellent, cheers, sheep.  Will hunt :D
[21:44] <Neff> hrm
[21:45] <Neff> could be that it wasn't mounted
[21:50] <w00t_> hello, i hear there is a patch to get xfce desktop to have transparent background on icons...anyone know where to get that?
[21:54] <TheSheep> w00t_: not really a patch, it's just a question of your gtk style
[21:55] <TheSheep> w00t_: just add this to your .gtkrc-2.0  http://paste.pocoo.org/show/96316/
[21:57] <w00t_> okay adding it, just paste at the bottom of the file?
[22:01] <TheSheep> yeah
[22:01] <TheSheep> hen change the theme to something and back, and it should work
[22:01] <w00t_> k
[22:03] <w00t_> worked thanks
[23:28] <ElcMawr> hello again... ATI Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x graphics driver remains unconfigurable... this is so unsupported!
[23:29] <ElcMawr> no wonder some laptops end up in the bin
[23:30] <ElcMawr> rad
[23:30] <ElcMawr> too tired, can't type, making mistakes, bye


[22:20] <thumper> anyone around who can review?
[22:20] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6851
[22:22] <redir> looking
[22:23] <redir> LGTM
[22:32] <thumper> redir: ta
[22:32] <redir> good find
[22:32] <redir> np
[22:33] <thumper> well, looking through the uploaded info for the bug
[22:33] <thumper> seemed obvious that we were leaking, and just went through the codebase looking for all cases
[22:39]  * redir wonders if there's a static analysis tool for that
[23:33] <thumper> wallyworld: ping
[23:33] <wallyworld> yo
[23:34] <thumper> wallyworld: can you please enable the pre-push hook?
[23:34] <thumper> wallyworld: you are committing code that doesn't pass go vet
[23:35] <thumper> apiserver/remoterelations/remoterelations.go:344: and 357
[23:35] <wallyworld> ok. but our landing bot hsould pick that up
[23:35] <thumper> yes, but it doesn't
[23:35] <wallyworld> sigh
[23:45] <nurfet> guys, when juju ssh into a machine which user does it use by default?
[23:55] <axw> nurfet: the "ubuntu" user
[23:57] <nurfet> axw: thanks. how can I change the user during bootstraping?
[23:57] <axw> nurfet: are you using the manual provider?
[23:58] <nurfet> no, I am developing a new public cloud provider


[00:20] <libertas> hi, I restored a backup and am not able to issue `bzr log` for example
[00:20] <libertas> I get bzr: "ERROR: Not a branch:..."
[00:21] <libertas> Everything I tried didn't work, what can I do?
[00:21] <libertas> This working tree directory has a .bzr directory and the parent directory has the repo with its .bzr directory as well
[00:32] <spiv> Does 'bzr info' report anything helpful?
[00:32] <spiv> Do you have a .bzr/branch directory?  What files and directories does it contain?
[00:33] <poolie> libertas, maybe the permissions are wrong?
[00:38] <libertas> poolie: they're fine...
[00:39] <libertas>  bzr check
[00:39] <libertas> No working tree found at specified location.
[00:39] <libertas> No branch found at specified location.
[00:39] <libertas> No repository found at specified location.
[00:39] <poolie> what does 'ls -o .bzr' show
[00:42] <libertas>  repo$ ls -o .bzr
[00:42] <libertas> shows repository
[00:43] <libertas> main$ ls -o .bzr
[00:43] <libertas> shows branch & checkout
[00:45] <libertas> all with owner my user
[00:54] <spiv> what does 'find .bzr -type f' show?  (pastebin it)
[00:54] <spiv> In short, bzr expects a branch to have .bzr/branch-format and .bzr/branch/format and a few other files/dirs, similar for repositories and checkouts.
[00:55] <spiv> But rather than guess one-by-one which part might be missing or unreadable or whatever it's probably quickest to just show us exactly which files are present.
[00:57] <libertas> http://pastebin.com/vmb79skT
[00:58] <libertas> and inside main: http://pastebin.com/VTbTYFgM
[00:59] <spiv> Lots of stuff seems to be missing there
[00:59] <spiv> Notably the .bzr/branch-format and .bzr/branch/format files
[00:59] <spiv> And I didn't see .bzr/repository/format in the first one either
[00:59] <libertas> no, it's not there
[01:00] <spiv> Compare what you'd see from a fresh 'bzr init-repo' or 'bzr init'
[01:01] <spiv> So your restored backup appears to be missing a fair few things.  Fortunately it looks like you *might* have all the revision history still
[01:02] <libertas> in another backup (older) I get http://pastebin.com/0a2kRsNp
[01:02] <spiv> If you make a fresh repository with init-repo, and copy the pack-names and packs/* contents into it, you may have a functioning repo with the key data, try browsing it with 'bzr qlog' or similar.
[01:02] <libertas> spiv: thank you very much, I'll try that
[01:03] <spiv> Right, that older backup looks like it may have a valid (but empty?) repository
[01:03] <spiv> And still a completely broken branch/checkout
[01:03] <spiv> Once you get running again I'd be very worried about your backup system
[01:05] <libertas> :-)  I messed up a bit with dropbox, that's why I'm running into problems now.
[01:05] <libertas> But thank you again!
[01:06] <spiv> You're welcome, glad I could help.
[01:06] <poolie> libertas, what did you use for the backups?
[01:06] <poolie> thanks spiv
[01:06] <spiv> Oh!  I should also say, the .bzr/branch/last-revision file from the older backup may be helpful
[01:07] <spiv> In reconstructing a reasonably current branch — again, 'bzr init' a branch and copy the last-revision from the backup into place
[01:08] <spiv> Or just 'bzr pull -r REVID' if you find the right revision via 'bzr qlog' or similar
[01:08] <libertas> poolie: the problem was that during the restoring I messed with dropbox, it's not the backup tool I used: rdiff-backup
[01:09] <libertas> spiv: next time I'll let you know if I could manage save history.
[01:09] <libertas> have to go now. Bye!
[03:54] <smspillaz> hello everyone - thumper asked me to ask here if / how it is possible to merge several bzr repos into one repo while keeping all the history
[03:54] <smspillaz> soooo ... how would I do that :)
[03:54] <poolie> hi smspillaz
[03:54] <poolie> tell me more about your case?
[03:54] <smspillaz> hello :)
[03:55] <smspillaz> right so
[03:55] <smspillaz> I have a whole bunch of repos in launchpad for all the individual compiz plugins (don't ask why, complicated git/bzr import sync stuff), which I now want to move into one big repo, so compiz-plugins
[03:56] <smspillaz> I'd like to avoid just copypasting them into a repo and starting from there and preferably try and keep all the history for the individual plugins
[03:56] <smspillaz> so when you view the history, it will be in linear order for every single commit made across each branch
[03:57] <poolie> do you want to put them into subdirectories of that tree?
[03:57] <poolie> or should they mesh together at the top?
[04:00] <smspillaz> poolie: subdirectories, preferably
[04:04] <spiv> Hmm, I think the merge_into plugin is out-of-date, unfortunately (which would have made doing this pretty convenient)
[04:05] <spiv> (It wouldn't be hard to update it to use the MergeIntoMerger that was added for use by bzr-builder though)
[04:06] <smspillaz> well, it should also be possible to use some bzr foo to collect all the revisions and then apply them bottom to top
[04:06] <spiv> It wouldn't interleave the commits the way you want
[04:06] <poolie> i was going to suggest merge-into too
[04:06] <spiv> But then you would have the original commit history intact, and could reconstruct that view (by e.g. forcing a log sorted by date, or something)
[04:07] <poolie> it will still look like they merged
[04:07] <spiv> In lieu of merge-into being current, you could use a bzr-builder recipe...
[04:07] <smspillaz> haha probably ;-)
[04:09] <poolie> spiv do you know if merge-into is very out of date or just trivially?
[04:09] <mwhudson> you could install an old bzr somewhere so you could use merge-into?
[04:09] <smspillaz> should I give bzr builder a try ?
[04:10] <poolie> smspillaz, i think you should try bzr-merge-into and see if it fails
[04:10] <poolie> and file a bug if so
[04:10] <smspillaz> ok :)
[04:10] <poolie> perhaps we can easily update it
[04:10] <spiv> poolie: IIRC very; relies on inventory mutation stuff that fails with CHKs
[04:11] <spiv> poolie: but the tricky bits are all implemented in bzrlib now
[04:11] <smspillaz> poolie: failing that, what do you think of a pythong script to collect all the revisions and then apply them?
[04:11] <spiv> poolie: so, it's both very out of date and trivially broken :)
[04:11] <smspillaz> since I can do that (limited experience with bzr)
[04:12] <spiv> poolie: I *think* if you look in the history of my MergeIntoMerger work you'll actually find a working merge-into command that we decided against adding to core
[04:12] <spiv> poolie: but you could probably extract it back into the plugin cheaply
[04:12] <spiv> poolie: (or maybe the plugin did get updated since I last looked!)
[04:13] <spiv> poolie: basically, if you have bzr-search working, I'd see if searching for cmd_merge_into finds anything :)
[04:13] <poolie> smspillaz, if you want to try that script it would be good
[04:13] <poolie> you could do it inside bzr-rewrite
[04:13] <poolie> which should give you some framework
[04:13] <poolie> it would be useful to have in general
[04:14] <smspillaz> poolie: incidentally, I'm kind of in favor of using recipies to do this, although I guess it wouldn't sort the history
[04:15] <spiv> smspillaz: to be honest, I'd be inclined to just take the merge-into style combining rather than rewriting.  Partly because it'll probably be much easier, but also because it'll ease merging any branches that people made off the old branches.
[04:15] <poolie> +1
[04:15] <smspillaz> indeed
[04:15] <smspillaz> will make bisection a bit annoying, but meh
[04:20] <poolie> mm
[04:20] <smspillaz> hmm, fun bzr-builder doesn't seem to keep the history, looks like the python script is the way to go
[04:20] <poolie> yes, i thought it only built trees
[04:53] <poolie> so smspillaz, are you reasonably unblocked?
[05:02] <lifeless> poolie: have you tried switch -f ?
[05:02] <lifeless> poolie: its meant to ignore NBE
[05:24] <poolie> lifeless, ok, thanks
[05:27] <poolie> yes that does fix it
[05:32] <smspillaz> poolie: yeah :)
[07:59] <mgz> morning all
[08:00] <vila> hi all
[08:01] <poolie> hi all
[08:02] <poolie> vila i see there was a pristine-tar failure on glade
[08:02] <poolie> mgz, hi?
[08:02] <jelmer> 'morning
[08:03] <poolie> suggests the upgrade may have been bad
[08:03] <poolie> hi jelmer
[08:03] <mgz> hey poolie
[08:03] <vila> poolie: me too ;) I suspect packagers changed the way they use xz and now requires a more recent version
[08:04] <vila> poolie: i.e. the pristine-tar upgrade addressed some issues but not all
[08:04] <poolie> ok
[08:05] <poolie> i filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/937555
[08:19] <bialix> mgz, wgz: around?
[08:19] <wgz> bialix: yup
[08:20] <bialix> hi
[08:20] <bialix> I'm going to release bzr-explorer today
[08:20] <bialix> this morning I simply disabled filesystemwatcher in explorer for windows
[08:21] <bialix> I have no resources to find and fix underlying issue
[08:21] <wgz> yeah, I've got a similar branch here
[08:21] <bialix> which one?
[08:21] <wgz> but haven't yet got a polished version which will do what the watcher intends
[08:22] <bialix> I just made a Fake watcher class which does nothing
[08:23] <bialix> ok, I hope my fake won't make things worse at least
[08:23] <poolie> bialix, (like i said on the list) i think disabling it is good
[08:23] <poolie> there are a few bugs about different impacts of it
[08:23] <bialix> hi poolie
[08:24] <poolie> hi :)
[08:24] <bialix> maybe I haven't read your message yet
[08:25] <bialix> poolie: actually I'm very sad about the current status of bzr-explorer
[08:26] <bialix> it just stand still after Ian
[08:27] <bialix> (sigh)
[08:34] <wgz> bialix: yes, I agree
[09:22] <poolie> mgz,  hi, can i call you?
[09:23] <mgz> poolie, sure, mumble though? I have more audio luck up here
[09:23] <poolie> that's ok, sure
[09:27] <mgz> ...and mumble forgot the settings atfer upgrade, but am on now
[10:36] <hrw> hi
[10:36] <hrw> again I have merge problem: http://pastebin.com/8GLTQw9L
[10:37] <jelmer> hrw: the two branches are unrelated it seems?
[10:38] <hrw> I pulled branch long time ago, did one change and forgot about it. today I did 2 more commits and I am unable to merge it according to bzr. fun is that there should not be even file conflicts in merge
[10:38] <jelmer> hrw: you can forcibly merge them with "bzr merge -r0..-1"
[10:38] <hrw> jelmer: they are same branch
[10:38] <hrw>     push branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~hrw/linaro-toolchain-recipes/backport-ppa-and-generic-tarball/
[10:38] <hrw>   parent branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/linaro-toolchain-recipes/
[10:38] <hrw>   submit branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~linaro-maintainers/linaro/cross-toolchain-scripts/
[10:39] <jelmer> hrw: note that "bzr missing" and "bzr merge" seem to use different locations
[10:40] <hrw> jelmer: I wonder why each time when I have merge problems with bzr it looks like 'who has the right (me or bzr)' question
[10:40] <hrw> jelmer: why?
[10:42] <hrw> jelmer: why different I meant
[10:46] <jelmer> hrw: there is a difference between the parent and merge locations - the parent is supposed to the branch your branch was created from, the merge location is where you submit to
[10:46] <jelmer> hrw: usually they're the same - you can always specify ":parent" as the location if you want to be sure you use one
[10:48] <hrw> "bzr merge :parent" merged with conflicts in just removed dir ;D
[10:51] <hrw> eh. but did in reverse - merged upstream into mine.
[10:51] <hrw> screw it, will erase and apply changes one by one instead
[10:51] <jelmer> hrw: right, that's what merge does - it merges the specified branch into the current one. That's the same in all VCSes I think ?
[10:53] <hrw> jelmer: you know, I am used to git more then to bzr. and 'bzr log' which hides merged commits by default scaries me ;)
[10:54] <hrw> or: I wanted rather rebase then merge my changes
[10:55] <jelmer> hrw: fwiw 'bzr log -n0' shows all revisions
[10:55] <hrw> I know
[11:38] <jelmer> mgz: ?
[11:38] <wgz> hey
[11:40] <jelmer> what, you're not working ? :P
[11:40]  * jelmer had a query open with the other mgz :)
[11:43] <hrw> bye
[11:49] <wgz> jelmer: trying to do installers for 2.5b6 quickly
[11:49] <wgz> and realised doing the notes... I'd completely forgotten to write code to bundle the certs
[11:50] <mgz> so there goes 'quickly'
[11:53] <vila> mgz: get back quickly by disabling cert checks ;)
[11:54] <vila> mgz: the patch has landed on 2.5.0 anyway
[11:56] <mgz> vila: okay, will apply that on top
[13:05] <mlischke1> hi, got a problem with bzr rebase, can someone help please?
[13:06] <mlischke1> the branch is diverged after the rebase and I cannot push anything
[13:07] <mlischke1> (this was a freshly clone feature branch I want to rebase with the main dev branch)
[13:22] <jelmer> hi mgz
[13:22] <jelmer> sorry mgz
[13:22] <jelmer> hi mlischke1
[13:22] <jelmer> mlischke1: what are you trying to do exactly?
[13:23] <mlischke1> jelmer, quite simple, I have a feature branch I want to rebase
[13:24] <mlischke1> the feature branch was cloned from the main branch
[13:24] <mlischke1> now I pushed everything so the feature branch was clean, then bzr rebase main-branch-url
[13:24] <mlischke1> got a conflict, fixed it, bzr rebase-continue, all done
[13:25] <mlischke1> now I cannot push because the branch is diverged
[13:25] <mlischke1> I cannot pull, I cannot commit (as there isn't anything to commit)
[13:25] <mlischke1> what else can I do now?
[13:26] <jelmer> mlischke1: why can you not pull ? pull should be reporting there is nothing to pull
[13:28] <mlischke1> no it says the branches have diverged, I should use missing to see what is missing and merge to reconcile
[13:28] <mlischke1> but what shall I merge? I have nothing to merge
[13:28] <jelmer> mlischke1: in that case it sounds like rebase hasn't finished succesfully
[13:29] <jelmer> mlischke1: what does 'bzr missing' say the difference between the branches is?
[13:29] <mlischke1> hmm, there wasn't any error message, all the csets have been committed (+ commit mail sent) and that#s it
[13:30] <mlischke1> it's a lot, but it looks as if anything is missing that I pushed to the feature branch + what was pushed in the meantime to the main branch
[13:31] <jelmer> mlischke1: there were changes to the main branch after the rebase?
[13:32] <mlischke1> no
[13:32] <mlischke1> there where changes while I worked in the feature branch
[13:32] <mlischke1> but today there haven't been any changes there
[13:33] <jelmer> mlischke1: where are those revisions from the mainline showing up in the bzr missing output?
[13:36] <jelmer> mlischke1: can you perhaps try running 'bzr rebase' again? If it was successful earlier it should be a no-op
[13:36] <mlischke1> jelmer, they are mixed, the first 6 are from the feature branch, then a lot from main and at the end again feature branch csets
[13:36] <mlischke1> sure, let me try
[13:36] <jelmer> mlischke1: so some of the revisions are appearing twice?
[13:37] <mlischke1> right, redoing the rebase is a noop
[13:37] <mlischke1> yes, seem to be duplicated
[13:38] <mlischke1> actually it says I have 47 extra revisions and 6 missing revisions
[13:38] <mlischke1> the 6 missing are part of the 47
[13:38] <mlischke1> (so these are duplicated)
[13:39] <mlischke1> the list of extra revisions (whatever that means) seems to be what the branch should look like after the rebase
[13:45] <mlischke1> jelmer, just in case it matters, the feature branch was cloned on our server from the mainline and then I cloned both to my local disc
[13:46] <mlischke1> the rebase was done against the server, not the local clone
[13:46] <jelmer> mlischke1: it sounds as if you have the original copy of the feature branch revisions in one branch and also rebased elsewhere
[13:46] <mlischke1> (so I rebase a clone of a clone if you want so)
[13:47] <mlischke1> hmm, that brings me to a thought
[13:47] <jelmer> are you pushing to the same locatin as you're pulling from/rebasing against?
[13:47] <mlischke1> because when I wanna push I push to the clone on the server, which is not rebased
[13:48] <mlischke1> yes, that must be it, I need to rebase the clone on the server instead
[13:52] <mlischke1> grr, can't test on the server as the rewrite plugin is not installed there
[13:56] <mlischke1> jelmer, I'm just wondering if that scenario is something I can use rebase at all?
[13:57] <mlischke1> because when I rebase the repo on the server and then try to pull it will like give conflicts with my local copy as the revsions are reordered
[13:57] <mlischke1> s/like/likely
[13:58] <jelmer> mlischke1: a good rule of thumb for rebasing in general is that you should never rebase anything that has been shared
[14:00] <mlischke1> yes, I know, but actually this rule should be: you cannot rebase a shared repo :-)
[14:00] <mlischke1> this was the first time I tried that, 3 hours wasted, but something new learned
[14:00] <mlischke1> thanks for your help jelmer, much appreciated
[14:01] <jelmer> mlischke1: the fact that it's a shared repository shouldn't matter
[14:01] <jelmer> mlischke1: but perhaps I'm not entirely following what you're trying to do ?
[14:02] <mlischke1> To me it appears clear now, as I tried to rebase a clone of a clone and then tried to push the changes to the original clone (which is not rebased)
[14:02] <mlischke1> no wonder this gives problems
[14:03] <jelmer> mlischke1: ah, you mean a branch that was shared rather than a "shared repository" (which has a different meaning in bzr terminology)
[14:03] <mlischke1> I cannot rebase the original clone either (mostly because the necessary plugin is missing) but I think it would also produce problems when I pull after that, as the order of the revisions have changed then and the local cannot do relative changes to previous revisions
[14:04] <mlischke1> oh
[14:04] <mlischke1> for me a repository and a branch are the same, sorry :-)
[20:56] <cahewson> is there a global veriable for release number so it can be used in source?
[20:57] <jelmer> cahewson: yes, in the bzrlib module
[20:57] <lifeless> bzr revision-info may help you
[20:57] <lifeless> jelmer: I suspect cahewson wants a tree signature, for stamping builds
[20:58] <jelmer> I was thinking the version string of the bzr release he is using
[20:58] <lifeless> cahewson: also bzr version-info can extract a bunch of data to json / python etc, for stamping builds
[20:58] <lifeless> cahewson: but this all depends on what you want to achieve ;)
[21:02] <cahewson> i have rebuilt from trunk several times on various hosts. all the grub-install -v output give is 1.99
[21:20] <lifeless> cahewson: so, I think you mean to say that you are working on grub2, which you have obtained from bzr, and would like to change it to make the version number depend on the code you have in front of you ?
[22:01] <m1sc> how could i prevent users from pushing to a shared repos root?
[22:14] <spiv> k
[22:17] <jelmer> hi spiv  :)
[22:17] <jelmer> hi m1sc
[22:17] <jelmer> m1sc: the easiest thing to do is probably to create a trivial branch there, with one revision so that they get a DivergedBranches error
[22:20] <m1sc> jelmer: thx
[22:23] <spiv> jelmer: heh, hi :)
[23:06] <poolie> hi all