[00:01] <darkxst> anyone seen bug 1414707 on 14.10?
[00:18] <LinDol> I can't see it on 14.10 yet. :-)
[00:19] <LinDol_phone> um..
[05:28] <Noskcaj> darkxst, should we drop the caribou autostart file from gdm? It's no longer needed with shell >= 3.14. See https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740788
[05:28] <Noskcaj> Even if it's just in the PPA
[05:29] <darkxst> Noskcaj, yes, I think so, in vivid as well
[05:59] <Noskcaj> darkxst, copied to staging ppa, debdiff for vivid at http://pastebin.com/AsFp7eDc
[06:00] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I uploaded 3.14.1-0ubuntu2 to vivid this morning!
[06:00] <Noskcaj> F***
[06:00]  * Noskcaj blames apt-get
[06:01] <darkxst> Noskcaj, you should always use pull-lp-source ;)
[06:01] <Noskcaj> Can you upload the fix anyway?
[06:02] <darkxst> Noskcaj, would be easier if you rebase it on the current gdm
[06:06] <Noskcaj> SIGH
[06:08] <darkxst> sorry bit busy atm
[06:08] <darkxst>  and can you forward a patch upstream to drop it for real?
[06:09] <Noskcaj> I don't trust myself to make the patch. I'll talk the some gdm devs first
[06:09] <darkxst> Noskcaj, try, I can review it a bit later
[06:09] <darkxst> it should just be a simple Makefile.am patch
[06:11] <darkxst> and beside patch review in GNOME is much better, than Ubuntu where stuff slips though without any code-review
[06:11] <darkxst> gtg, be back a bit later


[10:34] <kklimonda> hmm.. has anyone actually tested vala bindings that are generated in dbusmenu? they don't make much sense.. ;)
[11:39] <kklimonda> ugh, I've hacked appindicator vala bindings..
[11:39] <kklimonda> and "hacked" is just the right word for that ;)
[13:13] <kklimonda> any good reason for AppIndicator.menu property being readonly and the string type when both _set_menu and _get_menu take and return GtkMenu ? same with status - it's a string but _set_status and _get_status operate on AppIndicatorStatus type..


[00:16] <hamitron> I recall something been done by a lot of providers
[00:16] <hamitron> didn't really read what it was
[00:16] <hamitron> ;)
[00:16] <diddledan> lol
[00:17] <hamitron> it was one of them cool news articles I opened, and didn't bother reading
[00:17] <diddledan> I've got approximately 300 spams in my spambox over the last month at my main account, but my old account which forwards to it and used to clock over 3000 per month still only has ~500 for the month
[09:03] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:27] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:31] <KrimZon> morning
[09:31] <brobostigon> morning KrimZon
[09:41] <SuperEngineer> hi folks
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> Wow, hardware.info did an endurance test with a Samsung SSD
[09:42] <brobostigon> result ?
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> they got to >100 years of "normal" use (up to 10GB writes/day) -- by writing to it constantly for 5 weeks
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> >700TB of writes
[09:42] <brobostigon> wow.
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> Samsung guarantees the cells in the SSD for 1000 write cycles, and they got to 3200ish
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> before they got the first unrecoverable read error
[09:43] <brobostigon> impressive.
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> (I've been monitoring the hardware sites: the Haswell NDA is supposed to end on June 2nd, and it's already tomorrow in parts of the world already ;)
[09:45] <brobostigon> i was impressed last night, my nexus7, wifi turned on, light use, on battery for just over 10 hours, and lost 2% battery.
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> that's quite good
[09:47] <brobostigon> yes, thats what i thought.
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> you're sure it wasn't lying on one of those wireless charging devices?  Does anyone know what the problem is?
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> your network plug got disconnected
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> Useless fact of the day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Banana
[13:06] <mungbean> .TS files
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: MPEG transport streams
[13:06] <mungbean> what are they and how would i convert to divx?
[13:06] <mungbean> would the usual mencoder work?
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: you get them off DVB cards, usually
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I chop them using avconv, then hit the result with ghb (gui-handbrake)
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> That generates mpeg4 files
[13:07] <mungbean> avconv is CLI or GUI?
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: it's the new name of ffmpeg(-cli)
[13:07] <mungbean> oh yeah
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> avconv -i your_file.ts -c copy -ss start_second.frame -t duration.frame "Output.mkv"
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> maybe .frame = .fractional seconds, but I never checked
[13:08] <mungbean> ah, having problems producing my .TS file anyway
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: from a DVB source?
[13:08] <mungbean> i have a .rec file but my php script to convert to .TS
[13:08] <mungbean> PHP Parse error:  syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> I don't know .rec files
[13:08] <mungbean> its from my topfield pvr
[13:09] <mungbean> allegedly they are v simlar to .TS
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: Maybe ProjectX can help there
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: maybe ffmpeg/avconv can read it natively
[13:10] <mungbean> oh pastebinit is broken :(
[13:10] <mungbean> so is paste.ubuntu.com
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: http://www.toppy.org.uk/~offdigital/rec2ts_v0.02.zip
[13:11] <mungbean> thats windows AFAIK
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> it's very plain C
[13:11] <mungbean> i was using http://forum.toppy.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7338&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> all you have to do is convert the ULONG/USHORT stuff to uint32 etc.
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> ah php!
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: does PHP give you a line number with the error?
[13:12] <mungbean> line 8
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> you might be missing a semicolon
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> according to stackexchange
[13:14] <mungbean> i saw that
[13:14] <mungbean> but no :(
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I'm fixing the C file
[13:15] <mungbean> oh you lovely man :D
[13:19] <mungbean> ah MartijnVdS , i downloaded the raw file for php and it works
[13:19] <mungbean> so must have been a bad character
[13:21] <mungbean> so will avconv do my cropping?
[13:21] <mungbean> i have a .ts file now
[13:21] <mungbean> i need divx for the dvd player
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: avconv does the time cropping, handbrake does the black bar cropping
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> ah.. old divx :(
[13:22] <mungbean> yeah :(
[13:22] <mungbean> i have a dvd player that has usb slot
[13:22] <mungbean> so backups are going on a drive
[13:22] <mungbean> in divx for the dvd player to understand
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: wget http://martijn.vandestreek.net/~martijn/rec2ts.c
[13:22] <mungbean> i'm not very HDef
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: gcc -o rec2ts rec2ts.c
[13:22] <mungbean> many thanks
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I don't know how to encode to divx, but there must be tons of tutorials
[13:23] <mungbean> mencoder Shaun_the_Sheep_Series_3_-_8._Hard_to_Swallow_b01r70vr_default.mp4 -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -xvidencopts pass=2:bitrate=800  -o shaun_3-8-copy2.avi
[13:23] <mungbean> thats what i use for iplayer
[13:24] <shauno> \o/
[13:24] <mungbean> will try with the .TS file
[13:24] <mungbean> lol, highlight?
[13:24] <shauno> yeah
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> on "shaun" or on "sheep"? :P
[13:24] <shauno> "yes"
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> oh wait you're not Welsh or Kiwi
[13:27] <mungbean> MartijnVdS: thanks for your help
[13:27] <mungbean> by the way, how do i time crop with avconv>
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: avconv -i inputfile.ts -c copy -ss start_time -t duration output_file.mkv
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> output file can be .ts too if you want
[13:28] <mungbean> then it doesn't re-ecode?
[13:28] <mungbean> shoudl be quick..
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> start_time and duration are either in the format: seconds.(either milliseconds or frames, don't know) or hh:mm:ss.frames
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> it only copies, no re-encoding
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> but it's ffmpeg
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> you can probably tell it to do xvid encoding at the same time :)
[13:29] <mungbean> i found mencoder to be better for that
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> http://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/wiki/How%20to%20encode%20Xvid%20/%20DivX%20video%20with%20ffmpeg
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> http://libav.org/faq.html#How-do-I-encode-Xvid-or-DivX-video-with-avconv_003f
[13:31] <mungbean> can't remember why
[13:32] <mungbean> maybe a quality thing :S
[13:32] <mungbean> or an ubuntu avconv crippled issue
[13:32] <popey> ubuntu avconf isnt crippled
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> anymore.
[13:32] <mungbean> on 12.04?
[13:32] <popey> there's only one or two codecs that we have issues with
[13:32] <mungbean> popey: do you know who runs paste.ubuntu.com ?
[13:33] <popey> yes, canonical IS
[13:33] <popey> why?
[13:33] <mungbean> try running pastebinit or pasting sometihng via the website
[13:33] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5722881/
[13:33] <popey> wfm
[13:33] <mungbean> ah, try the php code
[13:34] <popey> some stuff is blocked
[13:34] <popey> "PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed
[13:34] <popey> "
[13:34] <mungbean> aha
[13:34] <mungbean> didn't notice that
[13:34] <mungbean> but deffo, eyah
[13:35] <mungbean> ooh vlc not showing the time in the .ts file, how annoying
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: avidemux will
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: if it's SD.. otherwise i use mplayer
[13:36]  * MartijnVdS needs better automatic PVR software
[13:36] <mungbean> mplayer doesn't show anything?
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: press "o" several times
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: and/or look on the command line you started it from
[13:37] <mungbean> ooh tnhkas
[13:37] <mungbean> thanks
[13:37] <mungbean> didn't know that
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> It's how I've been recording satellite tv
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> too bad avidemux can't handle H.264 properly, and I have to guess frame numbers :(
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: does the C thingy work?
[13:40] <mungbean>  avconv -i test.ts -c copy -ss 05:36:09 -t 300 test-cropped.ts
[13:40] <mungbean> created a 0 file
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> 5 hours, 36 minutes?
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> ah you always start from 0
[13:41] <mungbean> hmm
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> even if the TS timestamps don't
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> so it's probably better to get the timing off the command line
[13:41] <mungbean> should be 5 mins
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: 00:05:36.9 ?
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> 9th frame of th 36th second of the 5th minute?
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: A: 129.4 V: 129.4 A-V:  0.013 ct:  0.024   0/  0 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0
[13:42] <mungbean> seems to have spoiled audio sync
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> ^ I'd pass "129.4" in that case
[13:42] <mungbean> let's check again
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: output to mkv, that keeps better audio sync
[13:42] <mungbean> i was doing "copy"
[13:44] <mungbean> how wold u pass the 129.4?
[13:44] <mungbean> i have avconv -i test.ts -c copy -ss 20169.5 -t 300 test-cropped.ts
[13:45] <mungbean> but fail
[13:45] <mungbean>            position may be either in seconds or in "hh:mm:ss[.xxx]" form.
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: hmm
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> your TS timings are wrong then
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I have an intermediate .ts to cope with that:
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> avconv -i test.ts -c copy test-out.ts
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> then work on test-out.ts
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> avconv -i test-out.ts -c copy -ss blah
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> (check timings using test-out.ts as well)
[13:49] <mungbean> ah, fantastic , cheers
[13:50] <mungbean> timing fixed now
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[13:50] <mungbean> so u reckon ffmpeg better for producing divx from the newly cropped ts?
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> you can crop & encode in one go once you've figured out the crop timings
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: you can use "avidemux" to get hh:mm:ss.xxx-format times, and it uses its own indexes, so timings should be OK even on the original ts
[13:55] <mungbean> hmm quality seems horrible in the resulting avi
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: how are you running the command(s)
[13:55] <mungbean> avconv -i test-cropped.ts -c:v mpeg4 -c:a copy -vtag xvid test-cropped.avi
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: you want a -b:v 800k in there
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> or higher
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> maybe even 1000-1200ish
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> (video bitrate)
[13:57] <mungbean> 800k looking good ta
[13:57] <mungbean> will c:a copy work as a valid divx format?
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: the audio will probably be mpeg1-layer2 or ac3
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> that should work
[13:58] <mungbean> right now to test on the dvd player...
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> (and they call me a perpetual source of *useless* knowledge!)
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> BOOM
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> Haswell reviews online!
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> http://www.anandtech.com/show/7003/the-haswell-review-intel-core-i74770k-i54560k-tested
[14:04] <mungbean> all is well, many thanks again
[14:04] <mungbean> i figure cropping and sorting out all these videos will be a days work at least :(
[14:06] <mh0> Oh, I was here after all? :P
[14:06] <mh0> I never knew that :3
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> welcome
[15:56] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Are they adding a digit for each gen?!
[16:00] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Hmph - still 4 cores :-(
[16:23] <penguin42> and it looks like you have to be careful if you want the transactional stuff to pick the right model
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: nah they're just increasing the first digit by 1 :)
[16:26] <daftykins> afternoon all
[16:27] <penguin42> nod
[16:27] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Looking at ark.intel.com it's quite tricky to figure out the different sub models etc - but I want more cores! There were some 6 core sandy bridge ones, it looks like if you want the fastest desktop processor you can still get one of those
[16:27] <penguin42> daftykins: and a sunny afternoon it is
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: wikipedia has a nice table with the models + capabilities
[16:29] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_%28microarchitecture%29   doesn't seem to show the details
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: what more do you need? (scroll down to "Desktop processors")
[16:29] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: It doesn't show whether the processor has TSX-NI on
[16:29] <daftykins> penguin42: indeed! i strolled out and got an ice cream beside the castle
[16:30] <penguin42> daftykins: Same here; (although not by a castle...)
[16:30] <daftykins> penguin42: :D i got a large strawberry mister softee with a flake \o/
[16:31] <penguin42> daftykins: Got 3 scoops; one chocolate, one strawberry one banana - nice combo :-)
[16:31] <daftykins> ooh
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: transactional memory? is that useful?
[16:32] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Potentially - it's supposed to be wonderful for multithreaded performance
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they're on on 4770, but not on 4770k
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: same with vt-d
[16:33] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Nod, finding exactly which set has it is odd
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> I wonder why they turn it off on the unlocked models
[16:33] <penguin42> it'll be interesting to see if Ars redo the tests with a TSX code
[16:33] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yeh that's odd, I'd expect the unlocked to have all the goodies
[16:34] <daftykins> are we talking Haswell?
[16:34] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: yeah, NDAs ended ~15:00 your time
[16:34] <daftykins> ah yes just seen a news story on anandtech
[16:34] <daftykins> er, review even
[16:34] <daftykins> \o/
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: the unlocked one is 100MHz faster, the graphics bit is 1.25GHz vs 1.2GHz on the locked CPU
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> and the unlocked CPU has fewer advanced features.. hmm
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> same on i5 (4670)
[16:37] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: But if you are a virt head then the VT-d on the locked one may well be faster, similarly if you manage to do something interesting with TSX
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> sure but why disable it?
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> at least they all have the new vector bits
[16:38] <penguin42> beats me
[16:39] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Only sane explanation I can see is that the logic is the slowest path and it's on the edge for the faster clocks, but it seems a bit odd - unless it's trying to push you to Xeons
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they'll release "Extreme edition" chips later this year, those might have it enabled
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: or maybe Broadwell (the next generation)
[16:40] <penguin42> isn't that what the 'extreme edition' is?
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> no they also have xeons
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> extreme edition = 6 cores, more PCIe lanes
[16:42] <penguin42> can't justify updating this PC for another 4 core'r
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> My current machine is 3.5 years old (i3-530)
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> and it's SLOW
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> http://ark.intel.com/compare/75123,46472
[16:43] <daftykins> aww
[16:43] <daftykins> surely not
[16:43] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Mine is 3.5 years old (i7-860) - and it's not bad
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: also, the integrated graphics are bad (rendering problems in all Source games :)
[16:44] <daftykins> oh you actually use that?
[16:44] <penguin42> they really need to get people to work on that - there's no reason they should be flaky like that
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: as long as nvidia has a binary-only driver that breaks every other week, and AMD/ATi drivers are similar (but the other weeks, and they drop support after a very short time).. yes
[16:45] <daftykins> tough way to upgrade though :)
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I can save up a few euros once every 3 years ;)
[16:47] <daftykins> :)
[16:50] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: For this one I think the Radeon+i7 worked out a better buy
[16:50] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Bottom end Radeon (fanless)
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I have an old radeon, not supported by fglrx (how's 3d support on the free drivers these days?)
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> I don't like fglrx.. too much hassle on (kernel/X) upgrade
[16:54] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I'm not a gamer, GL works fine for me on KDE with the open Radeon stuff
[16:54] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Mine is the HD4350
[16:56] <daftykins> legacy PCI got murdered yay :D
[16:56] <penguin42> ?
[16:56] <daftykins> in the new 8 series chipset
[16:57] <penguin42> ah, nothing that can't be sorted with a bridge anyway
[16:57] <daftykins> i bought my first PCI-E card the other day
[16:57] <daftykins> + 1x i mean
[16:57] <daftykins> just a standard intel gigabit NIC
[16:57] <penguin42> nod
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: yeah, so I need to buy a new sat card :(
[16:58] <daftykins> aww
[16:58] <daftykins> TV strikes again
[16:58] <daftykins> ;)
[16:59] <penguin42> for some reason multiway PCI-e ether cards are really expensive compared to PCI cards
[17:02] <daftykins> hmm
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: Mine's the.. 5570
[17:10] <penguin42> ah you're newer than mine :-)
[17:10]  * penguin42 must learn some OpenCL one of these days  I suppose I could upgrade to a cheap 6xxx
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: the new Intel CPUs do OpenCL, and Intel has an SDK afaik
[17:13] <daftykins> i've a Q6600 and an nvidia GTX 560 Ti
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-sdk-for-opencl-applications-xe-2013-release-notes
[17:15] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Hmm is that actually running on the GPU - that looks like it's for Phi
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: xeon, yes
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: but H-Online claims it's for GPU as well: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Intel-releases-OpenCL-SDK-for-Linux-1860556.html
[17:23] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Doesn't look like http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/GalliumCompute/  is there yet on the Radeons yet
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMSzln0T9ZI
[17:31] <penguin42> oh I didn't know of minuteearth, I'm subscribed to minutephysics
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> oh xkcd: https://twitter.com/whatifnumbers/status/340874807480573952 + https://twitter.com/whatifnumbers/status/340874841924190208
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> https://twitter.com/whatifnumbers/status/340874782075650048  + https://twitter.com/whatifnumbers/status/340874740573036544
[18:01] <Azelphur> can you run proper desktop apps (eg pidgin) on ubuntu phone?
[18:05] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[18:08] <daftykins> heya \o
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: if you can make them talk to Mir instead of X, probably
[18:15] <Azelphur> ah
[18:24] <SuperEngineer> wow! just seen the time.... who nicked the day!!!?
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: someone must have seized it
[18:25] <SuperEngineer> wanted: freedom fighters to regain today's lost time!
[18:25] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/Komqynr.jpg
[18:25] <daftykins> my two wee ones last week
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: you should probably call Einstein about that
[18:26] <daftykins> get Marty McFly on the case
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> or call the Doctor
[18:26] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: daftykins:   definite :)
[18:27] <SuperEngineer> especially The Doctor - got 1 epsisode on disk still to watch ;)
[18:27] <daftykins> i've not tried any
[18:27] <daftykins> not really fond of modern British series
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: treason!
[18:29] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: [I think you'll find that read  modern *Welsh* series!  lol
[18:29] <daftykins> ^_^
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> isn't Wales part of Britain?
[18:29] <daftykins> very well
[18:29] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: they wish they weren't
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: tough :P
[18:29] <SuperEngineer> part of UK actually
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> well, the island England, Scotland and Wales are on is called "Great Britain"
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminology_of_the_British_Isles
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> agrred
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> *agreed even
[18:32] <daftykins> i be a British Island
[18:32] <daftykins> mm-hmm
[18:32] <daftykins> alas not part of the UK however
[18:40] <penguin42> daftykins: You're not saying we should eject you from this room are you?
[18:41] <shauno> for not being -uk?  or for not watching dr who :p
[18:41]  * penguin42 admits to not watching dr who
[18:56] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - couldn't resist - just bought a humble bundle weekly sale... there are windows or mac only... time to play with Wine!
[18:57] <SuperEngineer> [would be nice if they included "& if you have Wine on Linux, here's what to do" bit]
[18:58] <SuperEngineer> ...apart from pray!
[19:09] <daftykins> penguin42: hehe nah
[19:09] <daftykins> argh man the French tourists seriously get on my nerves in town here
[19:09] <popey> Azelphur: qt apps can, if ported to qt5
[19:09] <daftykins> just had a little joke with the supermarket checkout dude that had no idea what they were saying
[19:09] <Azelphur> popey: TIL there's a qt5 xD
[19:09] <Azelphur> but yea, cool
[19:11] <popey> yeah, we did a lot of work to package up qt5
[19:11] <popey> and of course the good citizens we are, upstreamed what we did
[19:12] <popey> (not that anyone noticed, and people still say we don't do anything at all for upstreams)
[19:12] <daftykins> directhex might say cheers if you poke him
[19:12] <daftykins> :D
[19:22] <aDaM^> lo all :)
[19:22] <daftykins> o hi
[19:23] <daftykins> i have an oven to tend to and a latte to make, having just acquired lovely Guernsey milk
[19:23] <daftykins> what does milk cost up on the mainland? about 1.09 a litre here
[19:24] <DJones> daftykins: 2l for £1 in supermarkets
[19:24] <daftykins> day-um
[19:24]  * popey has paella, meatballs and potatoes here
[19:24] <daftykins> mmmm paella
[19:25] <daftykins> that is an excellent idea
[19:25] <popey> eek. no alioli
[19:26]  * popey quickly knocks some up
[19:27]  * penguin42 thought it was about 50p/pint here
[19:28]  * StevenR paid £1.29 for 4 pints of milk last week
[19:29] <christel> i am so picky, i only like cravendale (it is the only one without an aftertaste in my opinion and it tastes similar to norwegian milk) which costs like 1.98 for 4 pints!
[19:29] <christel> (so i make gareth and david drink "normal" milk!) :S
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> uht vs pasteurized?
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> christel: ^
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> UHT has a weird sweet aftertaste to me
[19:32] <christel> i've never tried uht, the prospect terrifies me
[19:32] <christel> cravendale is basically milk that has been pasteurised six hundred times
[19:32] <christel> (probably not six hundred)
[19:32] <christel> oh i lie, it has been filtered pre-pasturisation
[19:34] <christel> as opposed to heat-treated in the way uht milk has
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> christel: Dutch milk tastes different to most other countries' milk too, maybe similar?
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> (UHT is only for "long term storage" )
[19:36] <christel> possibly! if i am not mistaken cravendale is an Arla product
[19:36] <daftykins> all mainlander stuff tastes weird, it's not even for sale here typically as we have our very own from the very famous Guernsey cows :D
[19:36] <christel> arla is a dano-swedish company
[19:36] <christel> so i guess this may explain why it tastes more "like home" if they use similar processes as back home :)
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> :)
[19:38]  * MartijnVdS has been thinking of driving(!) up to Denmark, Sweden and Norway next year
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> as that seems to be possible now
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> without going through russia
[19:38] <daftykins> :O
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: there's a bridge from Denmark to Sweden
[19:39] <daftykins> think looks like there are 2
[19:40] <christel> :D
[19:40] <christel> do it!
[19:40] <daftykins> christel: i thought you were a US'ian
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: Malmo - Copenhagen and..?
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> christel: but the language barrier!
[19:40] <christel> daftykins: nah, norwegian! i've been in the uk for a while mind (and in the states before that)
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> christel: (OK it's just a dialect of Frisian but still!)
[19:41] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: ah my bad - it just looked like it up at Helsingborg because the label was overlapping the land
[19:41] <christel> MartijnVdS: sweden has better (and faster) roads than norway and you can cross over at numerous points -- so if you're driving up you may want to consider doing any longer stretches on the swedish side of the border!
[19:41] <daftykins> and big roads lead to the ferry
[19:41] <christel> (i always drive across the border and head down on the swedish roads to head back across elsewhere when i need to drive any distances!) :s
[19:42] <daftykins> hehe
[19:42] <christel> (though you'd miss out on the pretty norwegian nature that way!
[19:42] <daftykins> i don't drive my place is so small ;x
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> christel: I wasn't planning on driving all the way up north or anything
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> christel: I drove to cornwall a few weeks ago, I'm still not used to driving 3 hours/day :)
[19:48] <daftykins> hehe
[19:49] <daftykins> my mates were pretty wimpish during the roadtrip we did in the US
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: The US is different. Everything is made for those distances.
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: Cornwall/Land's end really feels like the end of the world ;)
[19:50] <daftykins> yeah, a flawed design imo :D
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> Cornwall or the US? :)
[19:51] <daftykins> but that's because i'm quite negative toward the 'you must drive to live' approach to life
[19:51] <daftykins> US
[19:51] <daftykins> i used to go to Fowey, Cornwall on family holidays
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> I loved Sennen Cove
[19:56] <mungbean> misread that
[19:56] <mungbean> stupid kerning
[19:57] <penguin42> haha
[19:58] <mungbean> when i was young we visited lizard point. don't do that with a competitive family who all want to have stood more southerly than the next
[19:58] <mungbean> u will never get home
[19:58] <mungbean> i won though
[19:59] <shauno> remember going to the satellite place at lizard point when we were kids
[20:05] <daftykins> mungbean: XD
[20:45] <penguin42> http://www.asus.com/News/L9xTPmmMwTlPMq5l  would be nice
[20:48] <daftykins> indeed! i left that up on my wealthy client's desktop so he'd be tempted
[20:49] <daftykins> he loves his photography so currently has a 2560x1440 30" Dell
[20:49] <mungbean> if you were buying a laptop for parents, would you go for the one with better processor or 6gb vs 4gb ram version
[20:50] <mungbean> i mean, one version has better cpu with 4gb ram
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> more ram
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> ages better
[20:50] <daftykins> RAM is cheap to upgrade and easy to do though
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> true
[20:50] <penguin42> and 4gb is 'enough' depending what they're doing
[20:50] <daftykins> indeed
[20:51] <mungbean> its http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/laptops/laptops/toshiba-satellite-c870d-11x-17-3-laptop-white-20759702-pdt.html?gclid=CLab7v2MwbcCFYXMtAodmBAAAg&srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~Home+%2f+Laptops+%26+Netbooks+%2f+Laptops+%2f+Laptops~20759702&istCompanyId=9a35962d-802d-4e67-9721-0a3328ca1f02&istItemId=xtliriqtp&istBid=t&ef_id=Uaj9FQAAAQJn1FHn:20130531194213:s
[20:51] <mungbean> vs
[20:51] <mungbean> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-Satellite-C870-1H2-17-3-inch-Notebook/dp/B00B18B3OW/ref=sr_ob_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1370032059&sr=1-2
[20:52] <mungbean> unsure how i will handle the win8 issue
[20:52] <daftykins> if you get a windows 8 pro copy, you can enact downgrade rights and install 7
[20:52] <daftykins> not sure if that's true at retail though
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> buy a dell with ubuntu ;)
[20:52] <penguin42> mungbean: Now, which one do you think has the better CPU?
[20:53] <daftykins> i'd prefer intel in mobile personally
[20:53] <mungbean> the i3
[20:53] <daftykins> but i've no idea how those two compare :D
[20:53] <mungbean> is much better than the amd
[20:53] <daftykins> mungbean: if you're lucky the Tosh might have 4GB RAM in one DIMM, then you can add a second for cheap
[20:53] <daftykins> i did that in my Asus for £17!
[20:54] <mungbean> http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i3-3120M-vs-AMD-E2-1800
[20:55] <mungbean> i might just get her to choose based on colour
[20:55] <popey> i wouldn't buy Toshiba for anyone
[20:55] <penguin42> odd that the C870 doesn't seem to spec the display except in inches
[20:55] <penguin42> this <--- machine is a Tosh - had it about 6 years now - although used it static
[20:56] <mungbean> popey: they liked their last one so want another
[20:57] <daftykins> brand bias tends to be born out of isolated incidents imo
[20:57] <mungbean> at that price i'd probably do dell outlet or samsung personally
[20:59] <mungbean> in this age ofprice comparison, no two shops sell the same version
[20:59] <mungbean> i think the more RAM version is prob best bet
[20:59] <mungbean> since it has to last 3+ years
[21:00] <mungbean> without interference from me
[21:00] <penguin42> dunno, I'd take the i3 I think
[21:01] <daftykins> go i3 and slap some more in
[21:01] <daftykins> do eeet
[21:02] <mungbean> but is win8 a hog?
[21:02] <mungbean> on ram
[21:02] <daftykins> nah
[21:02] <daftykins> but like i said, consider ditching it for 7
[21:02] <mungbean> thats more pain for me
[21:02] <mungbean> driver support etc
[21:03] <daftykins> check the manufacturer site now
[21:03] <mungbean> i hate being the go-to guy forthis
[21:03] <daftykins> :D
[21:03] <daftykins> i got asked to go over to plug my mums new keyboard in today ¬_¬
[21:03] <daftykins> i said no chance
[21:03] <mungbean> i might leave the choice to them
[21:03] <mungbean> just tell them there's not much in it , etc , tell them the issues
[21:03] <daftykins> thing is, at least if you pick it and sort it at the start, you know what state it's in
[21:03] <daftykins> i could never leave anyone running a factory install - too painful :(
[21:04] <daftykins> you just don't get the hardware you bought! :D
[21:04] <mungbean> i want zero input on this
[21:04] <mungbean> they lve far waway
[21:04] <daftykins> on an unrelated note, here's the win7 boot speed of that new build PC i did :D
[21:04] <daftykins> http://tinypic.com/r/5eizox/5
[21:05] <popey> my father in law asked for help printing today
[21:05] <popey> he has had the same printer as me for ~3 years
[21:05] <popey> yet feels compelled to reinstall windows drivers all the damn time
[21:06] <popey> i just went to control panel, removed and re-added the printer, it worked first time
[21:06] <popey> "there, leave it alone!"
[21:06] <mungbean> popey: have you tried catbearding?
[21:06] <popey> yes
[21:06] <popey> its hard
[21:07] <popey> i put marmite on the back of the card
[21:07] <mungbean> probably needs cheese
[21:07] <mungbean> yeah
[21:07] <daftykins> cat what O_O
[21:08] <daftykins> http://pastebin.com/iJgRqZcF
[21:09] <daftykins> hey guys does line 803 onward suggest that disk needs an fsck, or it already ran enough to fix something?
[21:09] <daftykins> 'recovery complete'
[21:09] <popey> does it do that every boot?
[21:09] <daftykins> guys complaining about major slow booting
[21:09] <popey> looks like unclean shutdown
[21:10] <daftykins> yeah apparently it's hanging on shutdown
[21:10] <daftykins> so probably causing that part as a result
[21:10] <popey> so they flip the switch to power off and it fscks on restart
[21:10] <popey> sounds plausible
[21:10] <daftykins> mmm, i suggested checking SMART status
[21:11] <daftykins> i've no idea if there's any way to see shutdown logs?
[21:12] <popey> dunno if such logs exist
[21:12]  * bigcalm waddles into the hotel room
[21:12] <popey> pip pip
[21:12] <popey> good evening?
[21:12] <bigcalm> Hip hop
[21:12] <daftykins> popey: thanks, will see how the SMART info finding approach goes
[21:12] <bigcalm> Feeling bloated by the good meal and fine ale :)
[21:13] <popey> heh
[21:13] <bigcalm> I see Sky is looking as dashing as ever
[21:13] <popey> yeah, opportunistic photo
[21:14] <popey> was quite chuffed with that
[21:16] <bigcalm> I know the cat that lives with us is not our cat, but I'm already missing not having a cat to fuss
[21:16] <bigcalm> Guess I don't do holidays
[21:16] <daftykins> bigcalm: what was your chosen ale?
[21:17] <bigcalm> daftykins: This evening it was Snarck Lifter (I think)
[21:17] <daftykins> ah Sneck Lifter
[21:17] <daftykins> love that stuff :D
[21:18] <daftykins> pretty high % too, 5.x i think
[21:18] <bigcalm> Heh, Sneck :D
[21:18] <daftykins> my fave pub here on Guernsey rotates guest ales
[21:18] <daftykins> so i go in and read the lables and sometimes get to let out a little celebratory noise ;D
[21:20] <bigcalm> I like certain Belgian beers of 8 or 9%
[21:20] <daftykins> ooh exciting new game...
[21:20] <daftykins> http://www.geoguessr.com/
[21:27] <bigcalm> That's a little taxing on my phone's 3g
[21:27]  * bigcalm refuses to pay for PremierInn wifi
[21:27] <mungbean> matt smith leaving dr who :(
[21:27] <bigcalm> Spoilers!
[21:27] <daftykins> bigcalm: find someone that's on it and change your MAC to theirs
[21:27] <daftykins> ;D
[21:28] <bigcalm> ...
[21:28] <daftykins> ?
[21:28] <bigcalm> 3g is good enough for minecraft
[21:28] <mungbean> http://www.kasterborous.com/2013/06/matt-smith-to-leave-the-tardis/
[21:28]  * bigcalm goes to break a few blocks
[21:28]  * bigcalm also leaves IRC so that mungbean doesn't spoil any more dr who
[21:29] <daftykins> is that the big forehead dude?
[21:29] <daftykins> that kinda looks like Frankenstein's monster
[21:30] <mungbean> bigcalm: its gonna be in all the papers tomorrow
[21:30] <mungbean> its not story spoilers
[21:30] <mungbean> just facts
[21:30] <mungbean> sad ones
[21:30] <popey> haha, the big forehead dude ☻
[21:31]  * popey notes its on news at 10
[21:31]  * mungbean leaves irc for a power nap
[21:31] <mungbean> next feed at 11.20
[21:31] <daftykins> popey: my skills of description have always taken me far
[21:31] <popey> ☻
[21:31] <daftykins> mostly from running away from the person i was asked to describe
[21:43] <daftykins> my mate's mate does snow machine stuff for film + TV
[21:43] <daftykins> says that Doctor Who bloke is pleasant + played football with the crew
[21:45] <shauno> football's pleasant?
[21:46] <daftykins> not to my mind
[21:46] <daftykins> but i'm hoping you're teasing :P
[21:46] <daftykins> somehow...
[21:46] <popey> \o/ hate football
[21:46] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU etc
[21:48] <daftykins> i swear you need something removed from your brain to enjoy football
[21:49] <daftykins> totally not bias, honest
[22:09] <daftykins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vGGlODF7_RY#t=98s
[22:09] <daftykins> just going for a roll around the neighbourhood lads
[22:09] <daftykins> and ladettes
[22:23] <penguin42> hmm, google maps got me to do an invite for the new maps a few weeks ago, and it's been showing me 'your invite is on the way' for about 2 weeks, and I got a mail sometime during the week to say I've got it, but maps still shows it as 'on the way'
[22:29] <daftykins> is that when logged into your account on the site?
[22:29] <daftykins> maybe a cache clear to let some new cookies in might help?
[22:29] <penguin42> nod
[22:29] <penguin42> well I tried logging out and in, and from a different browser
[22:29] <daftykins> ah
[22:52] <shauno> for me, maps kept saying that until I followed the link in the invite to activate it
[22:54] <penguin42> which activation link?
[22:54] <penguin42> ah!
[22:54] <penguin42> The 'start exploring' on the thing that looks like it's going to be an explanational video
[22:57] <penguin42> ok, so it's not rendering at all in Firefox
[22:58] <penguin42> working in chromium
[23:00] <daftykins> coincidence? i think not
[23:01] <penguin42> nod
[23:02] <penguin42> it's suggestions for exploting the area seem primarily be related to takeaways and indian restaurants
[23:07] <daftykins> penguin42: can't argue with that
[23:09] <penguin42> it's not something I'm really interested in
[23:09] <daftykins> really :o
[23:09] <daftykins> not a fan of a good spicy curry?
[23:10] <penguin42> indeed, my limit of spice is gently a pinch of cinnamon with my apple crumble
[23:11] <daftykins> aww
[23:20] <penguin42> daftykins: I'd have thought by now Google would have figured out that it wants to tell me where the nearest chocolate supply is
[23:20] <daftykins> are they chocolate purveyors in your mind? :)
[23:21] <penguin42> well, it's the important thing to show on a map isn't it....
[23:22] <daftykins> very true
[23:23] <daftykins> followed swiftly by local Gyms perhaps
[23:23] <penguin42> haha
[23:59] <penguin42> Xeon Phi seems to about £1700
[23:59] <penguin42> little beyond my normal price range
[23:59] <daftykins> D:
[23:59] <daftykins> i was looking at an £800 xeon on overclockers.co.uk earlier
[23:59] <daftykins> crazy money


[15:07] <Pavlo> Hello,
[15:07] <Pavlo> I had a question, I would like to install the new Ubuntu Budgie on my desktop and laptop, but I think there is a problem with the ISO at startup that gives me something like an efi /boot/ error message


[01:39] <dewman> ahh...nothing like the smell of burning plastic in the air.....
[01:39] <dewman> ;)
[02:22] <mycosys> !repo
[02:22] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[02:32] <tzanger> good evening... I have a 10.04 mytbuntu install that worked great. I added an 11.04 slave backend and it helpfully upgraded the db schema on the master backend without any prompt or warning
[02:32] <tzanger> so, given that I just discovered that the mythbbuntu automatic backups weren't working, I'd like to try to bring the 10.04 mythbuntu install to 11.04 to try to get some semblance of a working system back. Is this possible?
[02:33] <tzanger> can I get to the mythtv install for 11.04 without upgrading the entire ubuntu system on the master backend to 11.04?
[02:35] <tzanger> oh wait, I just found the backups
[02:35] <tzanger> I can get my db back from a week ago. that'll work
[02:35] <tzanger> it might be a really, really good idea for a SLAVE backend to throw up a huge freaking warning before just blindly upgrading the db schema
[11:19] <Owner> hi, i just installed mythbuntu on a laptop with a completely broken display, connected to a TV with VGA input
[11:19] <Owner> when I ran the install the TV was automatically used as the display
[11:19] <Owner> now that i completed the install and rebooted it isn't
[11:20] <Owner> could anyone suggest how i can reconfigure over the network or otherwise?
[11:21] <Owner> i tried ssh but couldn't find gnome-display-properties and tried vnc but coudlnt find any config dialog for that
[11:24] <mycosys> so you couldnt get vnc working, or couldnt figure how to configure x?
[11:24] <Owner> i got vnc working
[11:24] <Owner> but i just had access to the mythtv menu
[11:24] <mycosys> also - mythbuntu doesnt use gnome - it uses xfce
[11:24] <Owner> and none of the config options seemed to lead to that
[11:25] <Owner> ah ok
[11:25] <Owner> that makes snese
[11:25] <mycosys> if you had vnc up it go into the system menu on the xfce panel
[11:26] <mycosys> i set up TV via xorg.conf - but i have an nvidia card
[11:31] <Owner> do you mean the system menu from where there is a large menu that fills the screen with tv/weather/etc?
[11:31] <mycosys> oh
[11:31] <mycosys> get out of myth
[11:31] <Owner> it is not a normal desktop but a specia
[11:31] <Owner> oh ok
[11:31] <Owner> then i will be in an xfce desktop?
[11:31] <mycosys> then you will be on the mythbuntu desktop
[11:31] <mycosys> uhuh
[11:31] <Owner> ok, awesome
[11:31] <Owner> i think i should be able to find it from there
[11:32] <mycosys> btw - winswitch
[11:32] <mycosys> is awesome
[11:32] <mycosys> is a very nice cross platform frontend for x forwarding that can be disconnected from and re-attatched to
[11:33] <mycosys> ie - you can run a remote X as tho it were on your local machine, without worrying what is on the remote machine's screen
[11:33] <mycosys> you can disconnect, and then when you reconnect the app will be as you left it
[11:33] <mycosys> you can move it from screen to screen
[11:34] <mycosys> actually - most of that is xpra, winswitch is a frontend to it
[11:36] <Owner> that sounds great, not just for this but for other things
[11:36] <Owner> i assume that you can tell by the nick that i'm a windows user? :)
[11:37] <mycosys> mainly cos u were using vnc
[11:37] <Owner> oh ok
[11:38] <mycosys> x forwarding is more efficient for what ur tryn to do lol
[11:38] <mycosys> dont worry - i am typing to u form windows myself
[11:39] <mycosys> winswitch freed me from finding a half decent x server that would run on win7
[11:43] <Owner> thanks a lot for your help mycosys
[11:43] <Owner> i got the display working now
[11:43] <mycosys> glad it was some lol
[11:43] <Owner> i will try winswitch too i think
[11:44] <Owner> thanks again
[11:44] <mycosys> what kind of gpu does it have?
[11:44] <mycosys> yw
[17:44] <qwebirc98288> hi there...
[17:46] <qwebirc98288> Ive been looking under http://mythbuntu.org for the config files to build a live-cd but couldn't find them... are they available anywhere?
[17:47] <superm1> qwebirc98288, everything is documented at the mythbuntu developer cheat sheet
[17:47] <superm1> most of the code is either at http://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-dev
[17:47] <Zinn> [code.launchpad.net] Code : âmythbuntu-devâ team
[17:47] <superm1> or http://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu
[17:47] <Zinn> [code.launchpad.net] Code : âMythbuntu Developersâ team
[17:47] <qwebirc98288> ok.. I'll take a look there... thanks for the quick answer
[17:47] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/developer-cheatsheet
[17:48] <superm1> good luck
[17:48] <qwebirc98288> thanks again