[00:01] <Scunizi> There is a good GPLv3 Sip softphone for the one off sip connection or enterprise SiP servers called SFLphone (http://www.sflphone.org/)  .. there is a PPA on launchpad for the gnome client but nothing for kde.  What's the best way to get recognition of this project and possible help packaging it?  (unfortunately I don't code at all)
[00:03] <micahg> Scunizi: you can file a needs-packaging bug
[00:04] <micahg> Scunizi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[00:04] <Scunizi> micahg: Ah.. thank you.. I have not been able to find that link.
[00:18] <hggdh> oh boy, the update to sudo on natty killed my autorisation to use sudo :-(
[00:18] <hggdh> there I go on a recovery boot
[00:18] <micahg> hggdh: yep, a fix was just uploaded
[00:20] <hggdh> not even gksudo (dbus seems dead on my session...
[00:20] <hggdh> micahg: thanks, will go into recovery, and get it there
[00:20] <micahg> hggdh: do you need the bug #?
[00:21] <hggdh> would be good, yes
[00:21] <micahg> bug 690873
[00:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690873 in sudo (Ubuntu) "latest natty sudo upgrade prompts for conffile update and potentially removes %admin from /etc/sudoers (affects: 3) (heat: 22)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690873
[04:19] <adgautam> Hello,
[04:20] <adgautam> I recently joined bug team and I was looking at Bug #690920 and it seems like a wishlist for Banshee
[04:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690920 in banshee (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Banshee 2.0 toolbar mockups (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690920
[04:22] <micahg> adgautam: yep
[04:25] <adgautam> can i ask question on how to Triage here?
[04:25] <micahg> adgautam: I marked it as such, thanks
[04:25] <micahg> adgautam: yes
[04:26]  * micahg has to go though, so someone else will have to answer
[04:28] <adgautam> i suggested a bug that can be marked a wishlist and I noticed that member that marked it as Triaged. Can I also do the same change the status to Triaged and then suggest that in here
[04:37] <adgautam> Bug #690933 can this be marked as triaged
[04:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690933 in pm-utils (Ubuntu) "Secondary Monitor Remains Asleep After Resume (Suspend) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690933
[04:59] <adgautam> Bug #368268 can be marked as triaged there is already one upstream with fix released
[04:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 368268 in pm-utils (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "usb mouse not working after resume from Suspend to RAM (affects: 4) (heat: 17)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368268
[09:45] <ElPasmo> Hi people, I'm trying to help today to the ubuntu bug day but I  don't understand what's the meaning of the 5-a-day-ing section here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20101216
[09:53] <ElPasmo> I have two other questions about the bug day, I've seen so far two bugs that were new at the list and now other people has set their status to Incomplete. So their status is outdated at the list of the hug day. What happens then?
[09:54] <ElPasmo> examples bug 689407 and bug 689111
[09:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 689407 in software-center (Ubuntu) "broken breadcrumb navigation when using apt links (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/689407
[09:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 689111 in software-center (Ubuntu) "cant download any apps from ubuntu (unrtusted packages) displayed on any attempt (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/689111
[10:09] <kiwinote> ElPasmo: Hi! Thanks for your interest in helping with s-c bugs: -
[10:09] <kiwinote> ElPasmo: the 5-a-day section is optional, so can safely be ignored
[10:09] <ElPasmo> s-c bugs?
[10:10] <ElPasmo> software center ok :D
[10:10] <ElPasmo> thanks
[10:10] <kiwinote> ElPasmo: as for the bugs you mentioned above, they have been handled recently, so feel free to mark them as done on the wiki
[10:11] <ElPasmo> but how kiwinote ? I put the row light green and leave the participant field blank or should I enter the launchpad-id of whoever has confirmed them?
[10:14] <kiwinote> ElPasmo: either of those will be fine - the wiki page is used for the bug day, but in our every day bug work for software-center we just use the bug list in launchpad over at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center -  so feel free to update the wiki page if you want, but we'll only be using that page for today and after that it will not really be looked at
[10:14] <ElPasmo> ok kiwinote thanks a lot
[10:15] <kiwinote> ElPasmo: no problem, feel free to ask if you have any more questions!
[10:16] <ElPasmo> Yes I have a lot, let me try to solve them by myself and if I can't I'll ask them. Thanks for your patience
[10:18] <ElPasmo> How can I make a report for an existing bug in a computer without internet? (I can  move the report to another machine in a USB pendrive and post it in the launchpad bug on another computer)
[10:26] <kiwinote> ElPasmo: that would depend slightly on what sort of a bug it is: - if it is a non-crashing bug, then generally a detailed description of the steps you are taking, what software-center is doing, and what you expect it to do along with the version number of software-center and the release of Ubuntu itself should suffice, if it is a crash report, then we also need any output obtained by running 'software-center' in a terminal window (app
[10:26] <kiwinote> lications > accessories) - you can then file the bug via https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+filebug
[10:33] <ElPasmo> I've triaged my first bug (well, only confirmed and asigned a regression-release label) can anyone check if I did it right? bug 688857
[10:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 688857 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Keyboard Shortcut for searchbar in the Software Center (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688857
[10:47] <kiwinote> ElPasmo: looks good - it's good to know that one person can both confirm and deny the same issue on different installations
[10:47] <ElPasmo> thanks kiwinote
[11:01] <ElPasmo> kiwinote my doubt about the bug 688857 is if it's a regression-release or another type of regression (maybe a regression-package?)
[11:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 688857 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Keyboard Shortcut for searchbar in the Software Center (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688857
[11:08] <kiwinote> ElPasmo: yeah - you don't need to worry about that too much as for the software-center project we don't really make that much use of tags - the 'regression-release' tag would seem alright though
[11:09] <ElPasmo> ok, thanks kiwinote
[11:52] <ElPasmo> Hi, I've confirmed bug 689523 and it seems to have all the information required except Importance. Can anyone help me deciding its importance and setting its status to Triaged?
[11:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 689523 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Uninstalling Evolution through USC does not remove evolution-common (affects: 6) (dups: 2) (heat: 34)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/689523
[11:56] <pedro_> ElPasmo, that's a duplicate of bug 553733
[11:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 553733 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Removing evolution should remove evolution-common (affects: 3) (heat: 14)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553733
[11:57] <pedro_> ElPasmo, may you please mark it as duplicate of that bug? thanks
[11:57] <ElPasmo> ofc pedro_, sorry for haven't seen it before
[11:59] <ElPasmo> pedro_ why that bug has not been Triaged yet? Is something missing?
[12:01] <pedro_> ElPasmo, nothing missed, i change it to triaged for you now
[12:01] <pedro_> ElPasmo, thanks for helping :-)
[12:01] <ElPasmo> pedro_, thanks to you :)
[12:12] <ElPasmo> I'm thinking to mark the bug 689523 as invalid and redirecting to Ubuntu Brainstorm but it's my first day triaging  and I'm not confident enough. Can anyone confirm that's the right thing to do?
[12:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 689523 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Uninstalling Evolution through USC does not remove evolution-common (dup-of: 553733)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/689523
[12:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 553733 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Removing evolution should remove evolution-common (affects: 9) (dups: 3) (heat: 48)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553733
[12:12] <ElPasmo> I'm sorry is the bug 685498
[12:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 685498 in software-center (Ubuntu) "[feature-request] Website/webpage for suggesting additions to the software-center (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/685498
[12:14] <pedro_> ElPasmo, looks like kamusin didn't changed it to incomplete
[12:14] <pedro_> ElPasmo, you can change it to incomplete for now and wait for the feedback from the reporter, then decide if it goes to brainstorm or not
[12:15] <ElPasmo> I think I'll let kamusin handle it, thanks pedro_  :)
[12:16] <pedro_> talking about the devil!
[12:16] <pedro_> kamusin, hello
[12:16] <pedro_> kamusin, looks like you didn't change the status to incomplete on bug 685498
[12:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 685498 in software-center (Ubuntu) "[feature-request] Website/webpage for suggesting additions to the software-center (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/685498
[12:17] <pedro_> ElPasmo was asking about that
[12:17] <ElPasmo> hi kamusin  :)
[12:17] <kamusin> hey morning folks
[12:19] <ElPasmo> Yeah, and shouldn't that bug have been redirected to brainstorm? It seems no so trivial for being in the wishlist... I'm new and I'm still confused with the frontier between wishlist and brainstorm :)
[12:23] <kamusin> ElPasmo, I didn't mark as incomplete because I was not totally clear about his requirement...so I am waiting for his feedback (anyway, could mark as incomplete in strictness)
[12:24]  * kamusin could/could be
[12:25] <ElPasmo> ok thanks kamusin :)
[12:25] <kamusin> you are welcome :)
[12:27] <ElPasmo> I think bug 687684 is a duplicate of 433851. Can anyone confirm it?
[12:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 687684 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Authentication dialog does not receive focus when clicking the install button (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/687684
[12:27] <ElPasmo> bug 433851
[12:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 433851 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Authentication dialog doesn't get focus (affects: 11) (dups: 5) (heat: 60)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433851
[12:38] <JoeMaverickSett> should i tell/comment the reporter to use the newer version of a software package if it exists and his version is the older one?
[12:56] <c2tarun> bug 691069 : can anyone please help me in verifying this bug
[12:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 691069 in gstreamer0.10 (Ubuntu) "copyright-without-copyright-notice (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691069
[13:14] <c2tarun> bug 691071
[13:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 691071 in oss4 (Ubuntu) "package oss4-dkms 4.2-build2002-2 failed to install/upgrade: oss4 kernel module failed to build (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691071
[13:14] <c2tarun> do we need some information about the sound archive in bug 691071
[14:12] <andrewmiller57> test
[14:46] <kamusin> there is a guy who has troubles with a purchased application (in software-center), looks like he is not correctly authenticated with private-ppa repository .. what shall we do in that cases?
[14:50] <charlie-tca__> kamusin: user error authenticating or is it a bug in software-center?
[14:51] <kamusin> I am not sure, but there is a report about it
[14:51] <om26er> bug #?
[14:52] <kamusin> bug 660826
[14:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 660826 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Fluendo does not install after purchase (affects: 1) (heat: 61)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660826
[14:53] <charlie-tca__> looks like software center critical bug; user spends money, can't get software
[14:53] <kamusin> charlie-tca__, right ..
[14:55] <charlie-tca__> Can't actually verify with out the URL, though
[14:55] <kamusin> these people should have a special triage process maybe, because there is money involved...
[14:55] <kamusin> is a private ppa I suppose, so we can't test it
[14:55] <om26er> it might have fixed by now. since it seems related to the private ppa
[14:56] <charlie-tca__> That's right. Even with the url, we could not verify it
[14:56] <charlie-tca__> pedro_: ping
[14:57] <charlie-tca__> seb128  might have an answer
[14:58] <seb128> what?
[14:58] <charlie-tca__> bug 660826
[14:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 660826 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Fluendo does not install after purchase (affects: 1) (heat: 61)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660826
[14:58] <seb128> mvo, ^
[14:58] <charlie-tca__> private.ppa was invalid after spending money
[14:58] <charlie-tca__> What is our procedure for these things?
[15:00] <kamusin> pedro_, is the guilty
[15:01] <mvo> charlie-tca__: thanks, commented
[15:01] <charlie-tca__> What procedure do we as triagers follow for this purchased software?
[15:01] <charlie-tca__> do we just notify you?
[15:02] <charlie-tca__> kamusin: noted ?
[15:05] <kamusin> charlie-tca__, 10-4
[15:05] <charlie-tca__> If you can get an answer about a procedure, let me know
[15:05] <kamusin> should be a procedure for those cases, imho
[15:06] <kamusin> or a button in software-center that say: in case of emergency please call to mvo or something :)
[15:06] <charlie-tca__> +1
[15:11] <mvo> heh :)
[16:20] <AbhiJit> om26er, u thr?
[16:21] <om26er> AbhiJit, am here ;)
[16:21] <AbhiJit> pm
[16:36] <ElPasmo> Hi, I  think bug 573907 should be set to Triaged. Can anyone do it for me?
[16:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 573907 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "can't update mp3 tags (affects: 5) (heat: 28)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/573907
[16:42] <charlie-tca__> ElPasmo: any chance of checking for that issue in 10.10?
[16:42] <ElPasmo> ofc
[16:42] <ElPasmo> I'm on it
[16:43] <charlie-tca__> You marked it reproduced in 10.04, can you reproduce in 10.10? Would you add that comment, please
[16:43] <ElPasmo> charlie-tca__, give me 5 min :)
[16:43] <charlie-tca__> Sure. Then I can mark it triaged!
[16:46] <ElPasmo> charlie-tca__, at 10.10 the behaviour is correct. No problem there.
[16:49] <ElPasmo> Should not be set as Triaged anyway?
[16:49] <charlie-tca__> okay, maybe we can get the fix backported to the LTS then. Thanks
[16:50] <ElPasmo> Ok... glad to be helpful :)
[16:53] <charlie-tca__> ElPasmo: done. Thank you for helping with bugs.
[16:53] <ElPasmo> thanks to you charlie-tca__  :)
[16:54] <charlie-tca__> You are welcome
[17:29] <bdmurray> hggdh: could you confirm / triage bug 691194 for me?
[17:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 691194 in mutt (Debian) (and 1 other project) "using "-i" to include file in body mutt exits if mail file not saved again in editor (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691194
[17:33] <hggdh> bdmurray: looking it up now
[17:33] <bdmurray> hggdh: it was reported to debian too so should be easy
[17:37] <hggdh> bdmurray: confirmed, marked as triaged/low
[17:38] <bdmurray> low! ;-)
[17:50] <hggdh> heh... sorry :-)
[17:53] <bdmurray> hggdh: it can result in data loss(!) if you don't pay attention
[17:53] <hggdh> bdmurray: hum. Automation, correct? then let's raise it
[17:54] <bdmurray> hggdh: I was just thinking medium
[17:54] <hggdh> bdmurray: agreed, and done ;-)
[18:24] <psusi> say, does anyone here have an SSD?  If so, can you enable auto login and see if the login sound gets cut off to confirm bug #576195
[18:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 576195 in libcanberra (Ubuntu) "Login sound plays before hardware is initialized, cutting it off (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/576195
[21:59] <trinikrono> good evening fellas is there a bug day going on now?
[21:59] <charlie-tca> yes, there is
[22:00] <trinikrono> nice did you leave any bugs for me?
[22:00] <charlie-tca> I don't know, but let me find it
[22:00] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20101216
[22:00]  * charlie-tca did not have it on the quick list
[22:01] <charlie-tca> Thanks, micahcowan
[22:01] <charlie-tca> well, thank you, micahg, too
[22:01]  * micahg thinks there should be a tab complete failure factoid
[22:02] <mr_pouit> aha
[22:02] <charlie-tca> that one fails real bad, got to get to "g" for you
[22:14] <trinikrono> wow installing those hugday tools sure take a pinch
[22:30] <trinikrono> hey are they debugging procedures for software centre?
[22:31] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20101216#Helpful%20information
[22:31] <charlie-tca> gives the debugging information


[00:00] <aisrael> Taking precise/vdbench
[00:02] <mwhudson> i don't suppose anyone has a juju charm for running a docker registry? :)
[00:04] <jose> ok, have to go print some Juju posters, be back in a while!
[00:07] <mbruzek> working on  cs:precise/unattended-upgrades
[00:12] <aisrael> taking precise/transcode
[00:18] <aisrael> tvansteenburgh: http://reports.vapour.ws/charm-tests/charm-bundle-test-641-results/charm/charm-testing-lxc/0
[00:18] <aisrael> taking precise/tracks
[00:19] <lazyPower-sprint> cs:precise/qemu-cloud
[00:41] <mwhudson> ok, failure mode i haven't seen before
[00:42] <mwhudson> a machine (using the manual provider) thinks it is provisioned, but it isn't showing up in juju status
[00:45] <mwhudson> ah http://askubuntu.com/questions/433842/how-to-resolve-error-machine-is-already-provisioned-in-manual-provision-set-up
[00:46] <cory_fu> This looks really cool: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thoughtstem/codespells-express-yourself-with-magic
[01:01] <lazyPower-sprint> mwhudson: looking now hang on
[01:02] <lazyPower-sprint> mwhudson: did that answer clear you up on gettin the machine added to your manual environment?
[01:02] <mwhudson> lazyPower-sprint: no i just gave up and started again :)
[01:02] <mwhudson> (this is all mostly automated)
[01:03] <lazyPower-sprint> Ok. I've been using digital ocean in phaux manual environment and haven't seen that - but the answer looks solid.
[02:21] <lazyPower-sprint> jose: good dev-credit if you've got the bandwidth: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/python-moinmoin/+bug/1367532
[02:21] <mup> Bug #1367532: tests need refactoring <audit> <python-moinmoin (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1367532>
[02:29] <lazyPower-sprint> fuzzy: please keep juju help requests isolated to this channel so the community can benefit from the help you recieve, and allow others who may know the answer an opportunity to answer. <3
[02:38] <fuzzy> 2014-09-10 02:38:14 INFO juju.state.api apiclient.go:242 dialing "wss://localhost:17070/"
[02:38] <fuzzy> 2014-09-10 02:38:14 INFO juju.state.api apiclient.go:250 error dialing "wss://localhost:17070/": websocket.Dial wss://localhost:17070/: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:17070: connection refused
[02:39] <fuzzy> nothing is running on 17070, all I did was reboot it. Restarting mongo doesn't do anything for me. Now juju status just hangs
[02:41] <jose> lazyPower-sprint: I may be able to take a look at them later, triaging and shortening the queue atm
[02:43] <lazyPower-sprint> fuzzy: this is related to the mongodb server, hang on and let me tap someone in that has a better idea about how to triage the issue
[02:43] <lazyPower-sprint> jose: no rush - its not a hot-button charm but would be good to flex your amulet muscle
[02:45] <lazyPower-sprint> fuzzy: we need you to pastebin the ~/.juju/environments.yaml for your manual provider sans credentials
[02:45] <fuzzy> np one moment
[02:45] <fuzzy> I was generating a pastebin for you guys already
[02:47] <fuzzy> http://hastebin.com/wefavoqate.avrasm there is the log file example let me get you that yaml file
[02:48] <marcoceppi> fuzzy: what is juju@juju, is it the machine you're running juju commands from and what you're trying to bootstrap?
[02:49] <marcoceppi> slash did bootstrap?
[02:50] <fuzzy> http://hastebin.com/lutenazuwu.cs
[02:50] <fuzzy> marcoceppi: juju is my bootstrapping host and juju is the user that does it all
[02:50] <fuzzy> I don't run this from a laptop, I run it from a host
[02:51] <marcoceppi> fuzzy: so, that's going to be the first likely problem. To confirm. You're running the juju commands from the same host you're trying to bootstrap
[02:51] <fuzzy> no
[02:51] <fuzzy> i've already bootstrapped like 4 hosts
[02:52] <fuzzy> I'm sorry if i'm getting your terminology wrong, but instead of fight linux mint & juju I use a server to springboard from
[02:52] <lazyPower-sprint> fuzzy: to be clear, in juju jargon, bootstrapping is with reference to the api-controller node.  as in node 0
[02:52] <marcoceppi> fuzzy: right, is that server juju.int.ziphub.com ?
[02:52] <fuzzy> yes
[02:52] <fuzzy> that is correct
[02:52] <marcoceppi> fuzzy: okay that's going to be painful
[02:52] <fuzzy> juju.int.ziphub.com is machine 0 and only runs the juju-gui
[02:53] <marcoceppi> juju really wasn't meant to be done in such a way. It may be better to simply spin the Juju Vagrant image and drive that from your mint desktop
[02:53] <marcoceppi> as it'll give you juju and CLI
[02:53] <marcoceppi> but
[02:53] <marcoceppi> moving past that
[02:53] <marcoceppi> run the following and let us know the output
[02:53] <marcoceppi> fuzzy: sudo initctl list | grep juju
[02:53] <marcoceppi> so the bootstrap-host is your bootstrap node, it does all your orchestration
[02:54] <marcoceppi> it's designed to survive reboots, but ocassionally doesn't for whaatever reason
[02:54] <fuzzy> jujud-unit-juju-gui-0 start/running, process 2003
[02:54] <fuzzy> juju-db start/running, process 2019
[02:54] <fuzzy> jujud-machine-0 start/running, process 2029
[02:54] <marcoceppi> so, it has survived reboots
[02:56] <marcoceppi> fuzzy: can you run `juju status --debug` ?
[02:56] <fuzzy> sure
[02:57] <fuzzy> http://hastebin.com/owilogutej.avrasm
[02:57] <fuzzy> there is nothing running on 17070 when I ask netstat
[02:58] <fuzzy> http://hastebin.com/apezokuqor.hs
[02:58] <marcoceppi> fuzzy: try `sudo restart juju-db` then `sudo restart jujud-machine-0`
[02:58] <marcoceppi> fuzzy: also, can you include `/var/log/upstart/juju-db.log`
[02:59] <marcoceppi> juju-db is lying by saying it's up but it doesn't appear to be up
[02:59] <fuzzy> np gimmie one moment
[02:59] <marcoceppi> fuzzy: sure, sure
[03:01] <fuzzy> http://hastebin.com/luyaqajixa.coffee
[03:01] <fuzzy> macroceppi:
[03:02] <fuzzy> here is my *juju* process list http://hastebin.com/fiqayoyage.hs
[03:04] <lazyPower-sprint> fuzzy: after the restart, still spammig that the state server cannot connect to mongo?
[03:07] <fuzzy> http://hastebin.com/hixocukada.avrasm
[03:07] <fuzzy> yes
[03:17] <lazyPower-sprint> fuzzy: ok the order shouldn't stop, but my thoughts are lets validate that the DB brings up proper, and then lets bring up the api server, and monitor them
[03:18] <lazyPower-sprint> tail your syslog in a terminal, and service stop juju-db && juju-machine-0 && juju-unit-juju-gui-0
[03:18] <lazyPower-sprint> confirm once you've got everything halted on the machine
[03:18] <lazyPower-sprint> if i were to guess, i'd say this is due to a stale lock causing mongodb to barf, and since the serviceis on a recycle, its not actually up but thinks its up
[03:29] <fuzzy> Gimmie one minute guys I gotta eat dinner
[03:40] <fuzzy> lazyPower-sprint: juju-machine-0 and juju-unit-juju-gui-0 are not recognized as a service
[03:41] <lazyPower-sprint> sorry, jujud-machine-0
[03:41] <lazyPower-sprint> and jujud-unit-juju-gui-0
[03:42] <fuzzy> lazyPower-sprint: ok that worked, syslog is quiet
[03:43] <lazyPower-sprint> ok, check and make sure there isn't a stale mongodb.lock file floating around
[03:43] <fuzzy> root      1839     1  0 02:36 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/local/bin/runserver.py --logging=info --guiroot=/var/lib/juju-gui/juju-gui/build-prod --sslpath=/etc/ssl/juju-gui --charmworldurl=https://manage.jujucharms.com/ --apiurl=wss://<IP_ADDRESS>:17070 --apiversion=go
[03:43] <fuzzy> that is still running if i do ps -aef | grep juju
[03:43] <fuzzy> mongo is not running
[03:43] <fuzzy> looking for lock file
[03:43] <lazyPower-sprint> /var/lib/juju/db
[03:44] <fuzzy> find / | grep mongodb.lock returns nothing
[03:44] <fuzzy> find / | grep mongo.lock returns nothing
[03:44] <fuzzy> oh
[03:44] <fuzzy> it's mongod.lock
[03:44] <fuzzy> and i found it
[03:45] <fuzzy> it's got a stale pid in it
[03:45] <fuzzy> lamont:
[03:45] <fuzzy> lazyPower-sprint:
[03:45] <lazyPower-sprint> so, how familiar are you with removing a mongod.lock and dealing with mongo afterwords?
[03:45] <fuzzy> about 0 out of 0
[03:45] <lazyPower-sprint> you can cowboy the removal, and cross fingers that everything goes welll - which it does about 80% of hte time
[03:46] <fuzzy> ok so what happens if the shotgun approach doesn't work?
[03:46] <lazyPower-sprint> 20% of the time, there are further issues that crop up, and are a byproduct of mongod not shutting down properly and leaving the database in an inconsistent state
[03:46] <lazyPower-sprint> hard to say, depends on whats gone wrong.
[03:47] <fuzzy> Alight so in the future make sure backups are in place so roll backs can happen
[03:51] <fuzzy> I dunno it's still not going
[03:52] <fuzzy> i'm just going to rebuild everything and try again
[03:52] <fuzzy> It should only take me about an hour
[03:52] <fuzzy> lazyPower-sprint:
[03:53] <lazyPower-sprint> fuzzy: shouldn't have to do that
[03:53] <lazyPower-sprint> did you remove the mongod.llck and attempt to restart?
[03:53] <lazyPower-sprint> if it has an issue restarting, it will barf the output to stdout/logs
[03:54] <fuzzy> yea
[03:54] <fuzzy> I removed mongod.lock
[03:54] <fuzzy> and rebooted the machine so the startup process would start everything in the correct order
[03:54] <fuzzy> and juju status is still failing trying to connect to 17070
[04:00] <lazyPower-sprint> fuzzy: i wouldn't have rebooted the server - port 17070 is the state server api. and the reason you cannot connnect to that is because it cannot connect to juju-db
[04:01] <lazyPower-sprint> restarting the db would have spit back any problems on STDOUT / syslog - which would have given us a next step to start investigation
[04:01] <fuzzy> lazyPower-sprint: I know you probably are too busy for this, but if you would like the keys to the castle before I nuke it, just hit me in a more private method
[04:01] <fuzzy> I'm also dealing with a head cold
[04:02] <fuzzy> brb
[04:02] <lazyPower-sprint> if you're adamant on blowing it away and restarting thats acceptable - but the root cause was the reboot, and apparently a database lock thats preventing mongo from coming back up correctly
[04:02] <lazyPower-sprint> the fact its not stating that in log output is troublesome to me. MongoDB will fail to start when that mongod.lock file is present.
[04:03] <lazyPower-sprint> fuzzy: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13700261/mongodb-wont-start-after-server-crash take a look at this, about the durability and recovery method
[08:42] <fuzzy> lazyPower-sprint: is MAAS a better solution than manual provisioning?
[11:18] <Odd_Bloke> I'm using the JuJu Vagrant image and can't get either cs:precise/mysql-48 or cs:trusty/mysql-4 to come up.
[11:19] <Odd_Bloke> They both report: 'hook failed: "start"'
[11:19] <Odd_Bloke> Not really sure how to debug the problem.
[11:22] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, have managed to dig in a bit.
[11:22] <Odd_Bloke> Looks like it might be a memory issue.
[11:22] <Odd_Bloke> Will restart the Vagrant instance with more RAM and see if that helps.
[12:06] <Odd_Bloke> Alright, all happy now.
[13:01]  * rick_h_ heads back home from coffee shop
[14:52] <jcastro> asanjar,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/842202
[14:52] <mup> Bug #842202: Charm needed: Accumulo <Juju Charms Collection:New for fgimenez> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/842202>
[16:11] <corntoegoblin> how do we verify that maas-dns is correctly caching the maas dhcp ips?
[17:28] <jcastro> jose, around?
[17:28] <jose> jcastro: yeah! what's up?
[17:28] <jcastro> Are you working on those 2 merges you locked now?
[17:28] <jcastro> because if not i can do them right now
[17:29] <aisrael> kwmonroe: https://github.com/dergachev/vagrant-vbox-snapshot
[17:29] <jose> jcastro: yeah, but I'm waiting for authorization to push
[17:29] <jose> remember, I just joined ~charmers
[17:29] <jose> if you auth me, I'll merge
[17:30] <jcastro> marco says you should post a comment on each MP
[17:31] <jcastro> then one of them will post a response with the ok.
[17:31] <mbruzek> jose, comment on the review, with a note at the bottom that once another charmer looks at it, it will be merged or not.
[17:31] <mbruzek> jose, so basically don't wait to comment on the mp/bug
[17:31] <jose> ok
[17:32] <mbruzek> comment, and then send marco, chuck, myself a link to the comment and we can take a look.
[17:52] <jose> hehe, looks like we've got another jose in here :P
[17:53] <jose> marcoceppi, lazyPower-sprint, mbruzek: https://code.launchpad.net/~lazypower/charms/precise/python-moinmoin/fix_proof/+merge/234041, https://code.launchpad.net/~lazypower/charms/precise/qemu-cloud/fix_proof/+merge/234040, https://code.launchpad.net/~jorge/charms/precise/vsftpd/add-icon/+merge/234034
[17:53] <mbruzek> jose, I will take a look
[17:54] <jose> thanks
[17:57] <mbruzek> jose auth for moinmoin
[17:58] <jose> ack, pushed
[17:59] <mbruzek> jose auth qemu-cloud
[18:00] <jose> ack, pushed
[18:04] <mbruzek> jose auth for vsftpd
[18:06] <jose> ack, pushed
[18:06] <jose> thanks mbruzek!
[18:30]  * arosales taking a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~evarlast/charms/trusty/mongodb/no-install-recommends/+merge/230978
[18:39] <lazyPower-sprint> arosales: make sure that applies cleanly, mongodb hhas been updated since that MP
[18:40] <arosales> lazyPower-sprint, ya I was just showing marcoceppi  that
[18:40] <arosales> the current merge as it stands isn't a clean patch
[18:40] <arosales> so I am going to try to clean up and the ntest
[18:44] <lazyPower-sprint> asanjar: https://code.launchpad.net/~lazypower/charms/trusty/hdp-hadoop/pass_proof/+merge/234177
[18:51] <mbruzek> wordpress fails on power https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/wordpress/+bug/1365585
[18:51] <mup> Bug #1365585: wordpress db relation fails in trusty <audit> <ppc64le> <wordpress (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365585>
[18:51] <arosales> mbruzek, thanks
[19:14] <lazyPower-sprint> hey tvansteenburgh1 is bundletester pip installable or still blocked with package deps in the way?L
[19:14] <tvansteenburgh1> lazyPower-sprint: you can pip install it
[19:14] <lazyPower-sprint> oooo nvm it looks like its there
[19:16] <lazyPower-sprint> tvansteenburgh: does it expect every project to use venv?
[19:18] <lazyPower-sprint> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8312002
[19:20] <aisrael> utlemming: I think I found a bug in the -vagrant-juju cloud images, with the lxc network postrouting. Should I talk to you about that, or someone else?
[19:21] <utlemming> aisrael: me is fine....what are you seeing?
[19:22] <aisrael> utlemming: if two lxc containers try talking to each other, the source ip is rewritten to <IP_ADDRESS>, instead of the machine's private ip
[19:22] <aisrael> Like the NAT POSTROUTING has MASQUERADE  all  --  <IP_ADDRESS>/0            <IP_ADDRESS>/0
[19:24] <utlemming> aisrael: hrm, that is ugly. I'm open to a patch :)
[19:25] <aisrael> Happy to hunt that down. Is lp:jujuquickimgs/build-trunk the correct place to start?
[19:25] <utlemming> aisrael: lp:jujuredirector would be the place to play
[19:26] <aisrael> Excellent, thanks!
[20:06] <fuzzy> lazyPower-sprint: would maas be a better option than manual provisioning?
[20:07] <lazyPower-sprint> fuzzy: it would be better and provide some automation yes - however - MAAS would allow you to orchestrate commodity hardware in *your* racks, or VM's on your hardware.
[20:07] <lazyPower-sprint> its not going to provide enlistment/provisioning from linode
[20:07] <fuzzy> I've already got two emails into two dc's. I did the math, I basically need 30 instances to cover my deployment
[20:08] <fuzzy> For the $ I spend @ linode I can get full boxes anyway I want from datashack
[20:08] <fuzzy> for about 3x the resources
[20:08] <fuzzy> I have them working up something for me from what primitive knowledge I have of MAAS
[20:09] <mbruzek> marcoceppi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/807784
[20:09] <mup> Bug #807784: Charm needed: etherpad-lite <Juju Charms Collection:Fix Released by james-page> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/807784>
[20:09] <fuzzy> Is there any catches to MAAS and juju?
[20:10] <mbruzek> marcoceppi, nevermind
[21:05] <lazyPower-sprint> tvansteenburgh: i'm not sure how/when charmworldlib is updated, so i set the bug status to fix-committed. If its an instant release cycle can you update that? https://bugs.launchpad.net/charmworldlib/+bug/1363136
[21:05] <mup> Bug #1363136: Need default request timeout <charmworldlib:Fix Committed by tvansteenburgh> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1363136>
[21:06] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower-sprint: thanks, i think Fix Committed is correct
[21:25] <lazyPower-sprint> jamespage: is the RabbitMQ merge applicable to trusty as well? the MP is only targeted at precise - without any tests i'm trying to validate this manually.
[21:25] <lazyPower-sprint> jjust curious if i need to promote this against the trusty build as well
[21:26] <lazyPower-sprint> for reference: https://code.launchpad.net/~cprov/charms/precise/rabbitmq-server/rabbit-admin/+merge/233205
[21:43] <jose> arosales: sorry! I didn't see your lock and n'acked the mongodb review you were doing :(
[21:44] <arosales> did /me forget to lock?
[21:44] <jose> no, I forgot to lock
[21:50] <arosales> jose, ok no worries thanks for reviewing
[21:50] <arosales> jose, I am working on an MP that will work, testing now, so I'll have a follow on MP and will comment on Jay's
[21:52] <jose> awesome, then!
[22:20] <jose> marcoceppi, lazyPower-sprint, mbruzek: auth to push https://code.launchpad.net/~tvansteenburgh/charms/precise/membase/fix-proof/+merge/234214
[22:25] <jose> is anyone around having problems with EC2?
[22:45] <corntoegoblin> i found the maas dns zone files in /etc/bind/ but the hostnames aren't being added/
[22:45] <corntoegoblin> disregard gentlemen
[22:45] <corntoegoblin> time to clock out


[02:36] <Xoritor> wow
[02:36] <Xoritor> thats all i have to say
[02:36] <Xoritor> wow
[08:58] <ubijtsa> Xoritor: about what...
[01:35] <E0x> morning
[01:40] <spike> 'morning E0x
[01:43] <E0x> squid or dansguard what is better choose ?
[01:43] <E0x> err squidguard*
[02:07] <spike> how is packages inclusion regulated?
[02:08] <spike> I was wondering why we should get alsa stuff by default, doesnt sound really useful on a server
[02:08] <E0x> true
[02:09] <spike> ehehe /me realizes know the "fun" of alsa-packages not 'sounding' useful
[02:09] <spike> :P
[02:13] <spike> also, I do understand you could use dapper-server to install a wifi hotspot, but what's the point of wireless-tools too?
[02:14] <spike> we should either include more stuff, and that's not possible, or just including wireless-tools pkg isnt that useful imho
[02:15] <spike> and uhm, pcmciautils too, what's the point?
[02:16] <spike> then, since the installation process offers a lvm partitioning options, and lvm2 tools are included, why also including evms ones?
[02:17] <spike> if you prefer evms you can install it afterwards and redo ur config
[02:20] <spike> last for now: why do we get mdadm up and running even if no raid has been created?
[02:21] <spike> I see the dependences makes it impossible to remove the pkg, and that's ok, but at least, if at install time no raid has been created, mdadm should be run @ boot
[03:02] <lamont-away> spike: anything with a PCI bus can have PCMCIA.  not necessarily common on a server, but I expect that it does exist.
[03:04] <spike> lamont-away: I c. what about wireless, alsa and evms packages?
[03:04] <lamont-away> one reason I might add pcmcia to a server would be to plug in a wireless card, generally just for connectivity, or to act as the AP
[03:05] <lamont-away> ISTR alsa gets involved in some winmodem support, which might be useful (I can think of one machine that, if it had a winmodem, I'd want that on..)
[03:05] <lamont-away> as for default install, it might not hurt to not have it there.
[03:05] <spike> keep in mind here I'm talking of default install here
[03:06] <spike> ok, that's what I meant
[03:06] <spike> all of them of course can make sense on a server too, but not as default imho
[03:06] <lamont-away> ubuntu-standard is driven more by "if you show up at a random machine, what do you expect to be there" than it is by just ubuntu-server...  not sure which meta package is sucking in these parts, but if it's ubuntu-standard, then it probably wants to stay
[03:08] <morrow> pcmcia could also be usefull fuer some smartcard readers...
[03:08] <morrow> but i think this is already to specialized on a default install
[03:08] <spike> exactly
[03:08] <spike> *default* is the key here
[05:33] <spike> have you seen this? http://hands.com/d-i/
[05:34] <spike> any chance to get it into ubuntu? also,it sounds nice for the NetworkBoot project too
[11:58] <troy> good evening folks