[09:18] <thoreauputic> Is there an op in the channel? hello?
[09:18] <fallstorm> Imdle, how fast is your processor and how much memory do you have?
[09:18] <Commodore4eva> gentto
[09:18] <Commodore4eva> lmao
[09:18] <Commodore4eva> like that could be a good exemple
[09:18] <Imdle> 500mhz with 386 mb ram
[09:18] <linux_galore> this is a first a binary distro ahead of gentoo
[09:18] <i0n_st0rm> gentoo rocks :-p
[09:18] <steve_> see ya
[09:18] <Angelus> Hi, i have a amd64 box and hoary i386 installed, is it possible to change the apt sources and do something like a dist-upgrade to switch to amd64 ?
[09:18] <fallstorm> Imdle, 500mhz is a little slow for all the graphical things gnome does
[09:18] <Commodore4eva> install fvwm
[09:19] <Commodore4eva> forget about gnome
[09:19] <fallstorm> it's possible to install an alternate window manager that will be less resource-intensive
[09:19] <geppy_> fvwm sucks
[09:19] <fallstorm> I'd start there
[09:19] <Burgundavia> fallstorm, I ran warty on a 600 mhz
[09:19] <geppy_> use fluxbox
[09:19] <linux_galore> xfce4 rules
[09:19] <Commodore4eva> blackbox
[09:19] <EvilIdler> Angelus: Should be doable.   This channel is for support, since you are perfect and all knowing you obviously dont need any, and you sure are giving any, maybe you should check out #flood. Your comments would be more appreciated there
[09:20] <Commodore4eva> like i could care
[09:20] <Imdle> will xfce come up on the session menu?
[09:20] <thenuke> linux_galore: yeap, well, that's my sisters computer, she's ok with what she has now
[09:20] <Imdle> will have all the apps like evolution?
[09:20] <Commodore4eva> am the all knowing mighty wiz
[09:20] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: he's a self-confessed troll
[09:20] <Burgundavia> Imdle, It will come up on the session menu
[09:20] <EvilIdler> Angelus: It takes the architecture from uname, so you'll need the kernel package installed and running
[09:20] <Commodore4eva> and i do make more money in a year than you
[09:21] <Burgundavia> Imdle, xfce also uses gtk
[09:21] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: you still gonna file a bug?
[09:21] <linux_galore> <-- ran blackbox for 9 months till he discovered XFCE
[09:21] <Commodore4eva> and i do scam way more people than you in a year
[09:21] <thoreauputic> Commodore4eva: we really don't care
[09:21] <Cybermagellan> Commodore4eva, considering Linux is free....who cares about money?
[09:21] <i0n_st0rm> i've been called a troll before.. which really threw me for a loop, because i took a 6 year break from irc and last time i was here troll meant something very different
[09:21] <geppy_> xfce is beautiful
[09:21] <Commodore4eva> your dummer tha dumb
[09:21] <Angelus> EvilIdler: so just by installing an amd64 kernel and doing a dist-upgrade should be enough ?
[09:21] <Commodore4eva> who care about money ,,,, you do jackass
[09:21] <geppy_> Will installing xfce set it up with GDM?
[09:21] <Cybermagellan> ok....that's rediculous
[09:21] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, still waiting for confirmation from #gnome
[09:21] <Cybermagellan> Any how...
[09:21] <EvilIdler> Commodore4eva: And you're not a good speller when you're angry at the world.
[09:21] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, I will do so if I haven't heard in a bit
[09:22] <LiberalTugboat> maybe he has to pay for other free things? like sex? water? parking?
[09:22] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: i don't think you'll get it *laughs*
[09:22] <Imdle> hey commodore4eva.. piss off
[09:22] <linux_galore> heh heh
[09:22] <linuxn00b> Is it possible for Kpilot to crash the entire system?
[09:22] <thoreauputic> crimsun, do you have ops? Does someone?
[09:22] <Dreamer3> i'll get confirmation from gentoo :)
[09:22] <linuxn00b> Everytime I run Kpilot (Palm sync program), I crash my computer
[09:22] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[09:22] <linuxn00b> Both under the latest Ubuntu and Knoppix :(
[09:22] <Cybermagellan> were on freenode....we can probably request from another channel....
[09:22] <Dreamer3> they should be using bleeding edge stuff
[09:22] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, meh, you can try
[09:22] <linux_galore> then again could be a dragon
[09:22] <Cybermagellan> We had the same thing in #pearpc
[09:22] <Commodore4eva> anyway this channel got the less informed crowd i ever seen its funny
[09:22] <EvilIdler> Angelus: The kernel has 32-bit support as it is from Ubuntu, so I don't see anything wrong as such. There's also no specification of the arch in sources.list, so I gather it's taken from uname. Worth a try :)
[09:22] <i0n_st0rm> last i was on irc troll meant someone trolling for cybersex.. and was just as highly looked down upon
[09:23] <Cybermagellan> The best thing is to ignore him
[09:23] <linuxn00b> there used be a lot of knowledgeable people here..including the developers..
[09:23] <linuxn00b> but ever since Ubuntu got popular.. oh well. :(
[09:23] <Commodore4eva> lmao
[09:23] <FreezerX> Hm, although I ve enabled universe the package manager can't find java-package
[09:23] <Commodore4eva> like ubuntu dev where real devlopper
[09:23] <linux_galore> pffft like what do i know about Linux
[09:23] <Angelus> EvilIdler: thanks a lot, i'll try it, I hope it wasn't the Evil in your nick giving me advices =D
[09:23] <Commodore4eva> its just a debian rip off
[09:23] <geppy_> FreezerX: It isn't there, I just was looking for it;  hold on, I'll "hook you up"
[09:23] <EvilIdler> Angelus: If all else fails, save /home, /etc/X11/xorg.conf and any tricky files in /etc you need ;)
[09:24] <EvilIdler> Angelus: It's the second half this time - the one that wants things done before I have to do anything :P
[09:24] <FreezerX> ok
[09:24] <Commodore4eva> anybody could do a distro
[09:24] <linux_galore> Commodore4eva: DUH! same guys behind Ubuntu are the same guys doing work for Debian and Gnome
[09:24] <Commodore4eva> i got troll os running on my own pc
[09:24] <Angelus> EvilIdler: thanks again, i'll go try that then
[09:24] <linuxn00b> Not just a debian rip-off..
[09:24] <Cybermagellan> Commodore4eva, then go make one and leave us alone
[09:24] <Angelus> bye everyone
[09:24] <Imdle> so just apt-get install xfce?
[09:24] <linuxn00b> it's a debian distro..
[09:24] <linuxn00b> anyways..
[09:24] <Commodore4eva> alredy done
[09:24] <Commodore4eva> Tr0||_OS
[09:24] <linuxn00b> So it's possible to crash computer (hard crash) under linux :(
[09:24] <i0n_st0rm> it's a specialized and tweaked debian branch
[09:24] <Commodore4eva> everyhting is green and slimmy
[09:25] <linuxn00b> kinda disappointed to find out..
[09:25] <i0n_st0rm> though i don't know that branch is the right word
[09:25] <linuxn00b> I was expecting 100% stable system..
[09:25] <Commodore4eva> tsss
[09:25] <woodwizzle> How can I install fonts that I download (a la the web not synaptic)?
[09:25] <linuxn00b> Also, computer crashed aftrer playing ETF (3d shoot) for a while..
[09:25] <i0n_st0rm> it's very possible, especially if you don't know what you're doing
[09:25] <Commodore4eva> like that could exist
[09:25] <zzyber> can i get direct rendering in ubuntu xorg if i use xorg radeon driver instead of fglrx
[09:25] <Dreamer3> linuxn00b: it's more stable than almost anything save mainframe/bsds
[09:25] <Commodore4eva> the biggest instabillity isnt the os or the software its most of the time dumb users fault
[09:25] <linux_galore> linuxn00b: depends....there are daemons that you can run that catch apps that have run amok and basically kill them or reset them or ask you waht to do
[09:25] <Dreamer3> zzyber: prolly not
[09:26] <EvilIdler> linuxn00b: Crashes/kernel panics are very often signs of damage of some sort
[09:26] <linuxn00b> The funny thing was, XMMS was playing shoutcast stream in the background, it's just I couldn't get out of the crashed ETF game..
[09:26] <Arnia> linuxn00b: Its impossible to prove that a program will always work :)
[09:26] <linuxn00b> no combo of keys worked.
[09:26] <geppy_> XMMS sucks!
[09:26] <i0n_st0rm> something tells me that Commodore4eva is running win3.0
[09:26] <Commodore4eva> no no
[09:26] <Commodore4eva> 2.0
[09:26] <Commodore4eva> way cooler
[09:26] <LiberalTugboat> Commodore4eva, your life must be very very lonely; when I remeber your age... 13 is a tough age in a boys life, the awkwordness, growing pains, your voice starts changing, girls ignore you. I am sorry all this pain has cause you to become a troll
[09:26] <linuxn00b> heh..
[09:26] <Cybermagellan> i0n_st0rm, Don't even bother
[09:26] <Commodore4eva> lamao
[09:26] <Commodore4eva> lmao
[09:26] <Commodore4eva> wish i still was this age
[09:26] <linux_galore> most kernel paics Ive come across seem to always be related to X
[09:27] <i0n_st0rm> Cybermagellan: i'm not.. was a random thought :)
[09:27] <linux_galore> panics*
[09:27] <woodwizzle> Is there a font folder i should copy all fonts to? or is there a utility i need to run to install a font?
[09:27] <linuxn00b> ha.. so after 8 hours, I finally got my printer, camera, Asian language input, e-mail, etc. workng.
[09:27] <Arnia> Maybe he's in the closet and his anger at himself is spilling out ;)
[09:27] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: i'm working on getting confirmation from gentoo
[09:27] <linuxn00b> So I think this distro will be my first distro that I will use for an extended period of time.
[09:27] <Commodore4eva> your funny
[09:27] <Arnia> Oh, yes... anyone using bazaar and Gnome here?
[09:27] <linuxn00b> all my hardware is supported...
[09:27] <Cybermagellan> That's what happens when you let a Linux user over at Michael Jacksons house
[09:27] <Arnia> Oh, I remember being there :p
[09:27] <linux_galore> linuxn00b: technically you only do that once then you just keep updating for the life of the machine
[09:28] <Commodore4eva> tssss
[09:28] <Commodore4eva> you wont keep ubuntu for year
[09:28] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, thanks
[09:28] <Commodore4eva> its just a passing period
[09:28] <Cybermagellan> Commodore4eva, what distro do you use?
[09:28] <Commodore4eva> i know i wouldnt
[09:28] <EvilIdler> Why haven't you banned the troller's subnet yet?
[09:28] <Commodore4eva> slack
[09:28] <linuxn00b> linux_galore, btw, I installed using RC... last night.. so I don't have to reinstall using the release ver? thanks.
[09:28] <Cybermagellan> And your here why?
[09:29] <toresbe> /usr/bin/../lib/libaudio.so.2: undefined reference to `XauGetBestAuthByAddr'
[09:29] <Commodore4eva> cuz you guy are suck a freak shown
[09:29] <toresbe> what does this mean in a config.log?
[09:29] <woodwizzle> If I save new fonts in new folder in /usr/share/fonts will all my programs be able to see it?
[09:29] <linuxn00b> now, I can only get to stream videos using Firefox a la Internet explorer + activeX + directx + mediaplayer
[09:29] <i0n_st0rm> i've only found one distro that i like better better than ubuntu.. but the headaches it gave me just made me want a break from them
[09:29] <EvilIdler> Commodore4eva: Says the little boy who needs to hang out on IRC to troll.
[09:29] <Cybermagellan> Oh ok....just thought I'd ask....cause I figure you would be promoting your own distro instead of talking crap
[09:29] <NSCPR> is ubuntu a real south african dist?
[09:29] <linuxn00b> i0n, which distro?
[09:29] <Burgundavia> Commodore4eva, please leave the channel. You seem to be unable to follow the Ubuntu CoC
[09:29] <i0n_st0rm> linuxn00b: gentoo
[09:29] <linux_galore> linuxn00b: the idea behind Debian and all its derivatives is you install once and thats it......you just edit your sources list every now and again so you keep up_to_date
[09:30] <Cybermagellan> NSCPR, yes....
[09:30] <Commodore4eva> of courseits african look at the folk in here . dont they sound african
[09:30] <Cybermagellan> Ok...
[09:30] <daniels> guys, let's all cut it out, please.
[09:30] <linuxn00b> gentoo, yuck.
[09:30] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[09:30] <linuxn00b> Debian for me..
[09:30] <NSCPR> any1 from UP?
[09:30] <LiberalTugboat> whats funny, Commodore4eva is in here talking smack about ubuntu, but atleast all the lead developers of our distro are health... and development is moving smoothly. Not to menthion they dont just give up on gnome because its "too hard to compile"
[09:30] <i0n_st0rm> i absolutely love gentoo.. but mostly for 2 reasons
[09:30] <linuxn00b> despite being pain in the ass for hardware setup..
[09:30] <linux_galore> linuxn00b: Ubuntu is Debian
[09:30] <i0n_st0rm> the speed you can achieve if done properly is insane..
[09:30] <Commodore4eva> i use debian on my server . ubuntu sound just like a cheap rip off
[09:30] <linuxn00b> Apt-get and synaptic all the way. .:)
[09:31] <i0n_st0rm> but the real thing that has me dreaming of gentoo while using ubuntu is portage
[09:31] <linuxn00b> commodore4eva, try it out..
[09:31] <linuxn00b> then come back..
[09:31] <linuxn00b> seriously, it's the nicest distro out there right now..
[09:31] <Commodore4eva> i know those debian guy are lazy
[09:31] <linuxn00b> fast, and everything pretty much works..
[09:31] <thenuke> Commodore4eva: do you think that every single distro which is based on another distro is just a ripoff then?
[09:31] <linuxn00b> and their forum is one of the best
[09:31] <Commodore4eva> i agree your still doing a better job
[09:31] <EvilIdler> linuxn00b: Actually, he can skip the coming back part, being all-knowing.
[09:31] <linux_galore> i0n_st0rm: you can always try VLOS...its Gentoo made easy
[09:31] <linuxn00b> heh..
[09:31] <LiberalTugboat> than you daniels
[09:31] <EvilIdler> That's better :)
[09:31] <linux_galore> VLOS - VidaLinux
[09:31] <blizah> question: which fglrx things do i need
[09:31] <Cybermagellan> Ok, he's gone....now to productive things....and thanks Daniels
[09:31] <blizah> none are installed yet
[09:32] <daniels> if we could all leave the distro wars at home, that would be good, thanks
[09:32] <blizah> i have an ati
[09:32] <i0n_st0rm> linux_galore: i think i actually tried that once and something about it wouldn't install right for me.. just my luck :)
[09:32] <gurum0232> well, i am not gonna spend any more time setting up this box... 8 hours~!
[09:32] <EvilIdler> He's been here several times the past few days, only leaving when kicked.
[09:32] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: Well... The performance increases to be had with compiling it yourself are IMO overrated :)
[09:32] <Burgundavia> blizah, with ati, you need the fglrx drivers and little bit of faith
[09:32] <gurum0232> only if I can get double-sided printing working on my Canon IP3000...
[09:32] <blizah> heh so ive heard :D
[09:32] <Arnia> Cybermagellan: Well, its a little more than south african... its quite an amazing mix of nationalities
[09:32] <Burgundavia> blizah, they are not the easiest to install
[09:32] <linux_galore> i0n_st0rm: only other one thats intresting is Yoper Linux
[09:32] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: if i hadn't seen the difference myself, i would agree
[09:32] <toresbe> blizah: my 9200 works perfectly
[09:32] <blizah> should i get the fglrx ones or xorg fglrx?
[09:32] <Cybermagellan> Amia, yeah I know
[09:32] <cef> interesting.. I'm uploading more on the amd64 torrent than ppc or i386
[09:32] <gurum0232> toresbe, are you using stock driver for the ATI?
[09:32] <EvilIdler> The kernel is where you should notice most difference when compiling it yourself.
[09:32] <Arnia> Cybermagellan: Oh, and inkscape are planning to add 'connectors' support to allow flowcharts to be made easily
[09:32] <toresbe> gurum0232: both
[09:33] <Cybermagellan> Cool, I apreciate the info
[09:33] <toresbe> gurum0232: I use fglrx when I need 3d, and radeon when I work like usual
[09:33] <Burgundavia> blizah, xorg, if you have running hoary
[09:33] <i0n_st0rm> lol.. you want to know something that actually surprised me?
[09:33] <blizah> k i am
[09:33] <gurum0232> toresbe, do you know any good FAQ/HOW? I am running 9100.. and I think driver is buggy (considering the crash under ETF).
[09:33] <EvilIdler> I would expect amd64 architecture to feel less difference from pre-packaged and self-compiled, though, since all the systems currently are very similar.
[09:33] <i0n_st0rm> oh bloody hell.. i'm getting pm's from commodore lol
[09:33] <toresbe> gurum0232: *shrug
[09:33] <toresbe> gurum0232: *shrug* :\
[09:33] <gurum0232> well, amd64 is over-rated..
[09:33] <Cybermagellan> just ignore him
[09:33] <linux_galore> heh heh.....XFree86 is soooo dead
[09:33] <blizah> do i need the dev one also?
[09:33] <toresbe> gurum0232: not at all.
[09:33] <i0n_st0rm> i am
[09:33] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: Not really.
[09:34] <Burgundavia> blizah, nope
[09:34] <linux_galore> even FreeBSD now use Xorg
[09:34] <gurum0232> toresbe, i mean how fast is it compared to my AMD XP 2500+?
[09:34] <cef> EvilIdler: yeah well, less configs of amd64 than other systems
[09:34] <gurum0232> on the same clock speed?
[09:34] <LiberalTugboat> hmm, I think I should go write a How-To on the forums, How to get controls more playerplug-in
[09:34] <toresbe> gurum0232: on the same clock, faster.
[09:34] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: reproduced on gentoo, but the FIRST time he tried (detached, drop, reattached) it worked fine, then the second time he tries he sees the same issue we have
[09:34] <toresbe> gurum0232:  but an XP64 2500+ in 64bit mode would also be faster on certain tasks.
[09:34] <i0n_st0rm> i was surprised that my dual boot system loads up XP to fully usable faster than ubuntu does
[09:34] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: It's nothing about the speed, although it's faster, but more about more modern architecture.
[09:34] <LiberalTugboat> too me a while to figure out but it works now (and they match the desktop theme)
[09:34] <gurum0232> but the question is.. is it really worth paying $$$ premium for some 10% gain..
[09:35] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: logged on?
[09:35] <kisielk> hm
[09:35] <alexsmith> Anyone know why it might take a long time for the hotplug system to start during bootup, yet can ctrl c it, and it still works fine?
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, very odd
[09:35] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: you got that?
[09:35] <linux_galore> be cool if Ununtu would "just work" with a standard out of the box iPOD....it doesnt right now
[09:35] <Arnia> Hum... really need to get some independent testing on this. Who want to try something that makes version control fun! ;)
[09:35] <BazziE> gurum0232 definately yes.
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, yep, I will file the bug
[09:35] <kisielk> for some reason I'm getting "cannot open mouse" when trying to start x
[09:35] <EvilIdler> i0n_st0rm: XP was like that for me on a fresh install..then I started using it a bit :/
[09:35] <gurum0232> heh..
[09:35] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: wouldn't have said fully usable if it wasn't
[09:35] <kisielk> gives me "no such file or directory"
[09:35] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: WXP makes the machine look like it boots faster by putting off loading some libraries later
[09:35] <kisielk> for /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice
[09:35] <kisielk> even though both are there
[09:35] <toresbe> gurum0232: the performance increases aren't important to me, but the increased address range is neat. Also, it's *cold*
[09:35] <i0n_st0rm> EvilIdler: it wasn't nearly faster until i reinstalled.. but i've been using it a while and it's still faster this time
[09:35] <kisielk> and if I tail either one, I get data when I move the mouse around
[09:35] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: i know all about that :)
[09:35] <gurum0232> toresbe, cold as in less heat?
[09:35] <toresbe> gurum0232: I can run it at full load, running cpuburn, with the fan switched off
[09:35] <toresbe> gurum0232: yep
[09:35] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: My AMD64 is clocked the same as my Athlon XP. 80% faster forthe general encoding tasks I do all the time.
[09:36] <linux_galore> toresbe: copying windows.....get the desktop up fast then load everything else later
[09:36] <gurum0232> toresbe, really???
[09:36] <gurum0232> wow..
[09:36] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: Running at less than 40 degrees with a bog-standard cheapo fan here :)
[09:36] <kisielk> any ideas?
[09:36] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, where do you figure the bug is then?
[09:36] <toresbe> I run with the AMD thing
[09:36] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, gtk?
[09:36] <cef> amd64 is much faster on memory manipulation (usually) which is why encoding, decoding and compression/decompression is faster
[09:36] <gurum0232> wow..
[09:36] <gurum0232> yeah.. it's kinda funny how hot cpu's are now days..
[09:36] <gurum0232> :(
[09:37] <gurum0232> I experienced some system instability due to summer coming
[09:37] <EvilIdler> AMD64 on socket 939 also beats Intel on raw memory transfers.
[09:37] <linux_galore> kisielk: one I suspect is a link to the other
[09:37] <Witigonen> Question.  http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html says that Ubuntu has the ntfsresize built in, I was wondering if that was part of the installer - ie, can I non-destructively resize my ntfs partition during the install process?
[09:37] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: And that's just with the reference sink - I wouldn't run it much at a time though :)
[09:37] <kisielk> linux_galore: sure
[09:37] <i0n_st0rm> my windows has certain programs auto-load, so there is a delay until the system is usable after they all load, but after comparing from boot until you're able to freely use it, my XP actually is up and going faster
[09:37] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: hmmm...
[09:37] <gurum0232> but seriousy, since I have decided to go Linux all the way, I don't think I will upgrade my computer for a long time..
[09:37] <kisielk> linux_galore: but how does that explain the problem?
[09:37] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: could be gtk
[09:37] <blizah> i have a 9800 pro and glxgears only gives me an fps of 300 right now...ive had warty before it and it was well above taht
[09:37] <jesper> Witigonen: yes you can.
[09:37] <kisielk> linux_galore: and actually they're not linked..
[09:37] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: need a non-gnome gtk app :)
[09:38] <gurum0232> I mean I can play divx movies with everything turned on, while running bittorrent, and surfing ten different sites, while streaming music..
[09:38] <i0n_st0rm> i was using a radeon 9600 pro.. replaced it with a geforce fx 5700 le
[09:38] <gurum0232> without any slow down..
[09:38] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: gtk makes more sense :)
[09:38] <gurum0232> :)
[09:38] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, I think the toolbar thing is gnome specific
[09:38] <linux_galore> kisielk: have you looked in xorf.conf  too see what the device path for the mouse is
[09:38] <toresbe> Burgundavia: nope, flux can run gnome toolbar progs
[09:38] <linux_galore> xorg.conf
[09:38] <kisielk> linux_galore: of course, it's set correctly
[09:38] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: guy/gal on gentoo says there are quite a few detach bugs already filed
[09:39] <sdeppert> does anyone know the command to get flashplayer?
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, ok, I will look for them
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, gtk+ has like 900 bugs
[09:39] <linux_galore> kisielk: swap the device path see if it works......could also be a IRQ conflict
[09:39] <toresbe> sdeppert: hold on, I've got an URL here that explains it nicely
[09:39] <blizah> any idea why my fps is so low?...ive installed the xorg fglrx...is there anything else i need to install?
[09:39] <gurum0232> sdeppert, you should be able to download a binary from macromedia..
[09:39] <jesper> sdeppert: it a part of the guide http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:39] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: yikes
[09:39] <sdeppert> ok thanks
[09:39] <kisielk> linux_galore: I have swapped it, doesn't hel
[09:39] <kisielk> help
[09:40] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167944
[09:40] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, that seems to be
[09:40] <toresbe> sdeppert: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:40] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3, is actually bonobo
[09:40] <J0hnni> Little help with grub2? :/
[09:41] <linux_galore> kisielk: this usb or serial
[09:41] <linux_galore> ps2 sorry
[09:41] <linux_galore> both are serial lol
[09:41] <kisielk> I believe it's interpreted as USB
[09:41] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: the workaround mentioned in that bug report is helpful
[09:41] <kisielk> but I'm not sure
[09:41] <i0n_st0rm> serial.. haven't seen one of those in quite a while.. just basic serial, that is
[09:41] <kisielk> it's running under VMWare
[09:41] <kisielk> but it worked before I installed kubuntu..
[09:41] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: well, i'm done bug finding for the night :)
[09:41] <kisielk> though I don't think that should have changed anything
[09:42] <LiberalTugboat> is NVU in universe?
[09:42] <gurum0232> any Asian here running ubuntu? (with Asian language support fully enabled)?
[09:42] <linux_galore> kisielk: I find with some pointer devices it wont work well on the USB port on some machines so I use the USB/PS2 converter and bing it works
[09:42] <linux_galore> bingo*
[09:42] <kisielk> well it's a virtual machine
[09:42] <Dreamer3> well, time to sleep
[09:42] <Dreamer3> night
[09:42] <kisielk> I can't really use a USB->PS2 converter there
[09:42] <kisielk> since there's no physical machine to connect it to :p
[09:43] <i0n_st0rm> ...
[09:43] <i0n_st0rm> umm..
[09:43] <kisielk> the point is, I'm getting data when I cat /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice
[09:43] <toresbe> gurum0232: FWIW I've had Japanese Input running on my Debian box
[09:43] <kisielk> but X is not starting
[09:43] <kisielk> so I doubt it's a hardware problem
[09:43] <i0n_st0rm> with VMWare it's forwarding your physical system's specs to the virtual system
[09:44] <gurum0232> toresbe, working pretty well? what is the best package?
[09:44] <i0n_st0rm> if you switched it to ps/2, it would forward it as such
[09:44] <kisielk> well I don't have any PS/2 port on this machine anyway
[09:44] <gurum0232> I am running scim, but I can't get the short cut to work... :(
[09:45] <toresbe> gurum0232: I used kinput2
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat> Hey I have a question about Quanta... does it require kdeinit to be running in the background?
[09:45] <kisielk> and anyway, as I said
[09:45] <kisielk> it was working
[09:45] <toresbe> gurum0232: you have to run the app in a special way
[09:45] <toresbe> gurum0232: with some environment vars set
[09:45] <gurum0232> hmm. special way?
[09:45] <gurum0232> oh... do I have to modify .xsession?
[09:46] <i0n_st0rm> how do you not have a ps/2 but do have usb? funky hehe
[09:46] <toresbe> gurum0232: XIM="@kinput2-xim" LC_CTYPE="ja_JP" or something
[09:46] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: laptops
[09:46] <gurum0232> hmm.. and that'll enable me to use "shift + space" to change input methods? thanks.. :)
[09:46] <Dreamer3> um
[09:46] <Dreamer3> is this 256 readhead, disalbed multi-count really the best optimized hd params?
[09:47] <toresbe> gurum0232: XIM="@im=kinput2" LC_CTYPE="ja_JP" or something
[09:47] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: my bad for not having experience with newer laptops :)
[09:47] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: heh heh :)
[09:48] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: you see any reason to set up a partition scheme beyond the default / and swap?
[09:48] <gurum0232> ah.. love live synapic.. so cool.
[09:48] <sanmarcos>  hmm when I upgraded to apache2, now php+mysql, wont work anymore Call to undefined function: mysql_connect(), I installed php4-mysql, auth-mysql, etc, any ideas? I copied /etc/php4/apache/php.ini to the apache2 dir
[09:48] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: oddly enough, i rarely use synaptic
[09:49] <sanmarcos> what happened to php mysql.. as I see it was compiled with --without mysql
[09:49] <gurum0232> i0n, you should give it a try...
[09:49] <gurum0232> better than doing "apt-cache search xxxx"
[09:49] <i0n_st0rm> i've never done that :)
[09:49] <MyKq3> hello :)
[09:49] <libben> apt-get is for leet users
[09:49] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: nopes
[09:49] <libben> who need frontends
[09:49] <thoreauputic> gurum0232: hmm - apt-cache search is pretty useful and quick...
[09:49] <i0n_st0rm> then again, that's the main reason i prefer gentoo base over debian base on a general rule
[09:49] <gurum0232> hmm... better than getting your system thrashed due to dep. problems.
[09:49] <libben> You are so boring that when I see you my feet go to sleep.
[09:50] <i0n_st0rm> portage is godly
[09:50] <libben> ./exec -o fortune
[09:50] <toresbe> gurum0232: I don't think it is :)
[09:50] <dholbach> morning
[09:50] <i0n_st0rm> apt is good.. but it just doesn't compare
[09:50] <grivell> gurum0232: Tried 'aptitude' ?  It is console, but more powerful then Synaptic right now.
[09:50] <libben> dselect otherwise
[09:50] <MyKq3> does wny of you konw some nice torrent clinent like bitlord (http://www.bitlord.com/) for linux
[09:50] <libben> and there is one more
[09:50] <libben> hmm.
[09:50] <libben> cant remember
[09:50] <libben> to tired
[09:50] <libben> except synaptic
[09:50] <gurum0232> let me put this way: I have been trying out linxu since Debian 0.9... but I only made the switch today..
[09:51] <grivell> libben: apt-get is a front-end though ;)  Leet users download and dpkg -i
[09:51] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: "trying out" since debian 0.9?
[09:51] <gurum0232> bec. of two things: 1. firefox/openoffice 2. all my hardware is now supported and no need recompile kernel 3. synaptic (make that three)
[09:51] <libben> grivell, yeah =) ment GUI ..
[09:51] <libben> to tired
[09:51] <katya> aptitude
[09:51] <libben> been up all nite
[09:51] <fallstorm> MyKq3, not familiar with what you mentioned, but ubuntu comes with a bt client installed, tried gnome bittorrent?
[09:51] <libben> aptitude
[09:51] <gurum0232> I should have made switch much much earlier..
[09:51] <libben> thats the one i was thinking of
[09:51] <gurum0232> basically, I learned nothing since Windows 95..
[09:51] <thoreauputic> grivell: leet users use gcc and debin/rules ;-)
[09:51] <libben> aptitude is great if u dont run x
[09:51] <thoreauputic> *debian
[09:51] <gurum0232> I mean I learned more about PC during DOS days than Windows days.. :(
[09:52] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[09:52] <i0n_st0rm> windows isn't for learning
[09:52] <toresbe> gurum0232: Linux is for people who want to know how it works
[09:52] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: wanna hear something sad?
[09:52] <gurum0232> oh the endless days of reinstalling windows.. and trying to get rid of some virus or spyware...
[09:52] <toresbe> gurum0232: DOS is for people who want to know how it doesn
[09:52] <libben> im of to sleep
[09:52] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: it's for leasrning that you should use Linux ;)
[09:52] <libben> nite
[09:52] <toresbe> gurum0232: DOS is for people who want to know how it doesn't work
[09:52] <sanmarcos>  hmm when I upgraded to apache2, now php+mysql, wont work anymore Call to undefined function: mysql_connect(), I installed php4-mysql, auth-mysql, etc, any ideas? I copied /etc/php4/apache/php.ini to the apache2 dir
[09:52] <toresbe> gurum0232: Windows is for people who don't want to know how it doesn't work
[09:52] <grivell> thoreauputic: lol.  Or a hex editor.  Manually patch to latest version.
[09:52] <i0n_st0rm> thoreauputic: hehe
[09:52] <toresbe> gurum0232: And Mac is for people who don't want to know how it works
[09:53] <toresbe> :)
[09:53] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: what?
[09:53] <gurum0232> toresbe, my next laptop might be an imac...
[09:53] <grivell> toresbe: iBook
[09:53] <toresbe> gurum0232: neat
[09:53] <gurum0232> oh ibook :D
[09:53] <LiberalTugboat> Any suggestions for a good web page editor?
[09:53] <toresbe> LiberalTugboat: emacs ;)
[09:53] <fallstorm> vi
[09:53] <i0n_st0rm> toresbe: i've only been really using linux seriously for a couple of weeks, and i still use winxp just as much.. but for some reason i can't stop using ls in windows command prompt
[09:53] <grivell> gurum0232: iBook.  I have G4 12" (1.2 ghz, 512mb, 80 gb hd, radeon 9200 :)
[09:53] <MyKq3> fallstorm,  yeah thets not the problem ... the problem with GnomeTorrent that it have no serch engin
[09:54] <gurum0232> i01, exactly..
[09:54] <toresbe> i0n_st0rm: same with me and VMS :)
[09:54] <gurum0232> ls.. cp... it gets all mixed up..
[09:54] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[09:54] <MyKq3> fallstorm, will all the other clinets does
[09:54] <gurum0232> though I really don't like CLI..
[09:54] <i0n_st0rm> ..
[09:54] <fallstorm> BitTorrent clients usually don't have search engines... why not use a torrent search site?
[09:54] <i0n_st0rm> how can you get ls and cp mixed up?
[09:54] <sanmarcos> fuck you guys
[09:54] <i0n_st0rm> sanmarcos: thank you
[09:54] <FreezerX> alias dir='ls -al' :-)
[09:54] <toresbe> sanmarcos: my place or yours? *rrr*
[09:54] <LiberalTugboat> toresbe, I dont have time to hand code any more
[09:54] <dazed|> how do i find the path to a directory/app i have no idea where its at?
[09:54] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: for wysiwyg, nvu or mozilla composer
[09:54] <clparker> i just installed Hoary 5.04 final and my resolution is stuck at 640X480 please help!
[09:55] <MyKq3> fallstorm,  its easyer when evry thingy is on the same window
[09:55] <grivell> gurum0232: If you want 3D accel, you might want to get iBook sooner rather than later.  Unless r300.sf.net has made major progress.  Because Radeon 9200 is the last 3D accel card for PPC.
[09:55] <FreezerX> whereis application
[09:55] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: composer is decent
[09:55] <LiberalTugboat> yeah those were the two I was looking for
[09:55] <LiberalTugboat> but NVU isnt in to repos
[09:55] <gurum0232> grivel, what do you mean?
[09:55] <clparker> i just installed Hoary 5.04 final and my resolution is stuck at 640X480 please help!
[09:55] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: composer is in the moz suite
[09:55] <toresbe> gurum0232: My next laptop is a Thinkpad :)
[09:55] <gurum0232> grivel, Mac won't include 3D cards in later models?
[09:55] <LiberalTugboat> can you install composer by itself?
[09:55] <i0n_st0rm> what's really sad is the reason i really want to use linux in the first place (beyond the default lack of love for microsoft and it's ilk)
[09:56] <fallstorm> Well... I don't know of any bt clients period, regardless of platform, that have search engines in their app... if you've found one, cool, but I certainly haven't seen one for Linux
[09:56] <toresbe> gurum0232: It's a 486 though :P
[09:56] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: I doubt it - you get it with mozilla
[09:56] <gurum0232> he..
[09:56] <LiberalTugboat> I was thinking about quanta but WAY to many KDE dependecies
[09:56] <gurum0232> heh..
[09:56] <gurum0232> well, honestly, OSX is beautiful.. I think.
[09:56] <grivell> gurum0232: I was talking about using Linux on iBook.  PPC has no binary ati/nvidia drivers for Linux.
[09:56] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: installing nvu is very easy
[09:56] <toresbe> gurum0232: it is.
[09:56] <clparker> can anybody help me?
[09:56] <clparker> i just installed Hoary 5.04 final and my resolution is stuck at 640X480 please help!
[09:56] <gurum0232> grivell.. true..
[09:56] <LiberalTugboat> do you have any experience with screem or bluefish?
[09:56] <FreezerX> just use eclipse
[09:56] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: see  www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:56] <gurum0232> so 9200 works beautifully?
[09:56] <i0n_st0rm> stuck at 640x480?
[09:56] <toresbe> clparker: sure, what screen card
[09:56] <fallstorm> I like OSX... it's a lot more powerful than I thought it would be
[09:56] <gurum0232> but I want OSX~! it's so well integrated..
[09:57] <toresbe> gurum0232: only prob is that fglrx doesn't have Composite
[09:57] <LiberalTugboat> it doesnt have to be wysiwyg
[09:57] <i0n_st0rm> i imagine it's a simple issue of editing the xorg config
[09:57] <clparker> ATI 9600 Pro
[09:57] <i0n_st0rm> oh god
[09:57] <FreezerX> geppy_, are you still busy with the java-package?
[09:57] <i0n_st0rm> clparker: i'm sorry
[09:57] <thoreauputic> LiberalTugboat: bluefish is nice, and has a preview option
[09:57] <grivell> gurum0232: Yeah, OSX is nice.  I use it sometimes with MOL.  But in general I prefer the Linux apps.
[09:57] <gurum0232> only if we can get working and useable 3d accelearted Desktop..
[09:57] <kakalto> what's kubuntu's default video player?
[09:57] <i0n_st0rm> i hope someone can help clparker there
[09:58] <thoreauputic> totem
[09:58] <fsapo> clparker, did u tried xorgconfig? or fglrxconfig?
[09:58] <i0n_st0rm> i gave up on linux for a while when using a 9600 pro.. that seems to be the one radeon card that linux forgot
[09:58] <kakalto> thoreauputic, I thought that was ubuntu's default
[09:58] <gurum0232> yeah, forget linux with newer stuff.
[09:58] <thoreauputic> kakalto: ah sorry - quite right
[09:58] <gurum0232> since I am poor. it
[09:58] <sataere> fallstorm, mldonkey uses torrents and has a search engine http://www.nongnu.org/mldonkey/
[09:58] <gurum0232> it's just fine for me..
[09:58] <dazed|> what does this error in this screen shot mean it told me to contact dist support http://xull.org/img/040905-1113033513-gkrellShoot_04-09-05_025711.jpg
[09:59] <FreezerX> should i give linux a try for my EAX800XT/2DT and A8V-E deluxe?
[09:59] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: that's not necessarily true.. linux is just great with 9500, 9700, and 9800.. but for some reason, they seem to have forgotten that the 9600 exists
[09:59] <fallstorm> hmm, cool
[09:59] <fallstorm> but don't apps with integrated search engines limit what you can find?
[10:00] <gurum0232> i0n, here is what I have learned... better to go to Ebay and get a cheap/supported hardware than trying to get some obscure hardware to work with linux.... just not worth your sleep and lost hair.
[10:00] <vague> hi
[10:00] <catalin> hello
[10:00] <synan> hey
[10:00] <synan> all
[10:00] <catalin> is any dc++ for ubuntu?
[10:00] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: that's a yes and no situation
[10:00] <vague> can anybody help me with turboprint?
[10:00] <dazed|> what does this error in this screen shot mean it told me to contact dist support http://xull.org/img/040905-1113033513-gkrellShoot_04-09-05_025711.jpg ???
[10:00] <tott> hm.. can i acces files on my ntfs disk? ??
[10:00] <i0n_st0rm> then again, i'm american and get all of my parts from the same distributor
[10:00] <i0n_st0rm> tott: yup
[10:01] <i0n_st0rm> you just have to mount it
[10:01] <gurum0232> tott.. yes
[10:01] <grivell> I can't believe how many people still use Windows 98.  Then expect drivers to work for new USB devices they buy.  I had a hell of a time finding a USB storage driver for one co-worker.  If she just went Linux, it would be so much easier on her.
[10:01] <tott> how?
[10:01] <catalin> is any dc++ for ubuntu?
[10:01] <Enspyron> I have installed php, apache 2 packages and everything associated with it by synaptic, but when I try to search for the config files I can't find them (I can't find any file that has php in it's name with the search function) So, where can I find packages I just installed?
[10:01] <gurum0232> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:01] <gurum0232> got everything you would want to know.
[10:01] <jesper> catalin: you can get all the programs you want using apt-get :-)
[10:01] <dazed|> what does this error in this screen shot mean it told me to contact dist support http://xull.org/img/040905-1113033513-gkrellShoot_04-09-05_025711.jpg ???
[10:01] <fallstorm> I have a friend that swears by Win98... she hates XP and isn't fond of 2000
[10:01] <FreezerX> /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini?
[10:01] <sataere> catalin, there is a great equivalents guide here between winblows and linux http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
[10:02] <vague> hm.?
[10:02] <fallstorm> I asked her to explain her reasoning, and she said she was just comfortable with it and knew more about how it worked than any other OS
[10:02] <i0n_st0rm> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[10:02] <J0hnni> I have to harddisks, 1 for Ubuntu and other for XP. XP is slave now. How should I add it to grub2's list?!!
[10:02] <J0hnni> *two
[10:02] <vague> nobody who has a canon printer?
[10:02] <catalin> using apt-get how?
[10:02] <i0n_st0rm> yes, i occasionally cater to the lazy
[10:02] <gurum0232> catalin, here~!
[10:02] <gurum0232> IP3000..
[10:02] <gurum0232> works mostly with Ubuntu...
[10:02] <catalin> ?
[10:02] <jesper> catalin: or synaptic
[10:02] <grivell> fallstorm: 98 is so buggy though.  XP is at least somewhat stable.  But my co-worker doesn't have enough system for that ;)
[10:02] <vague> i have a ip1500 and i need a driver :(
[10:02] <gurum0232> catin, have you tried linuxprinting?
[10:03] <dazed|> can anyone help me!!!!!!
[10:03] <vague> what should i do gurum?
[10:03] <catalin> jesper can you show me step by step please
[10:03] <sataere> grivell, but a lot of people who use winblows do so for gaming, and 98 uses a lot less resources than XP, so better for such purposes
[10:03] <i0n_st0rm> hmm
[10:03] <fallstorm> Hehe, that's what I told my friend... I also tried to get her to attempt Linux, but she thinks it's too complex
[10:03] <dazed|> what does this error in this screen shot mean it told me to contact dist support http://xull.org/img/040905-1113033513-gkrellShoot_04-09-05_025711.jpg ???
[10:03] <Enspyron> thx, I have found php.ini. But why couldn't the search function find it in the first place?
[10:03] <Enspyron> and where is httpd.ini
[10:03] <i0n_st0rm> has anyone done a fresh hoarty install and had problems installing anything like mplayer-386?
[10:03] <gurum0232> vague: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[10:04] <J0hnni> Any help with grub2?!
[10:04] <FreezerX> Enspyron, you mean httpd.conf
[10:04] <jesper> catalin: what program are you looking for?
[10:04] <Enspyron> yeah
[10:04] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, mplayer packages never work
[10:04] <dazed|> i wish someone would help me
[10:04] <daniels> dazed|: run 'killall esd'
[10:04] <i0n_st0rm> ah ok then
[10:04] <catalin> dc++
[10:04] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:04] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, compile from the source
[10:04] <i0n_st0rm> hmm..
[10:04] <milli> i0n_st0rm: no, not after uncommenting the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list to include universe and multiverse
[10:04] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: or install xine-ui
[10:04] <catalin> jesper i am a begeiner
[10:04] <dazed|> thanks
[10:05] <i0n_st0rm> milli: been there, done that :) still doesn't work
[10:05] <jesper> catalin: no.. what program are you looking for at dc++ , then we'll find a linux substitute for you.
[10:05] <i0n_st0rm> that's willy, isn't it lol
[10:05] <i0n_st0rm> willi
[10:05] <vague> but there's nothing about ip1500 canon driver. or other orinter driver
[10:05] <i0n_st0rm> sheesh.. i'm going to stop typing since i obviously can't anymore
[10:05] <catalin> i dont get it yet
[10:05] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, just download the essential codec pack and compile mplayer, works like a charm
[10:05] <gurum0232> Does anyone know how to get C header files for my kernel? I tried getting all the nec. stuff from Synaptic but no go.
[10:05] <dazed|> daniels: how do i get esd back when i want to run sound again?
[10:05] <J0hnni> Doesn't anyone know about grub2?
[10:06] <gurum0232> vague, I am sure turbuprint supports the printer..
[10:06] <vague> but turboprint costs 30euro :(
[10:06] <sataere> gurum0232, I believe that's the libc6-dev package you're looking for
[10:06] <vague> is there no other solution?
[10:06] <gurum0232> vague, you can use it as a shareware..in draft mode..
[10:06] <FreezerX> while mplayer is still available...
[10:06] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: which mplayer should i get the source for?
[10:06] <jesper> catalin: Linux-people generally don't use stuff like dc++, since we have all the programs for free anyway. (both gratis and free)
[10:06] <daniels> dazed|: should just start automatically
[10:06] <i0n_st0rm> hrm.. that reminds me.. i haven't installed the proper kernel yet
[10:07] <dazed|> well in gaim it doesnt play sound now
[10:07] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Not entirely sure what you mean...the CVS mplayer.  O.o
[10:07] <dazed|> when i ran it up
[10:07] <synan_> im low on debian knowledge, is there a way to update package lists on a networkless computer? like d/l it somewhere else?
[10:07] <catalin> jesper i am in a network very big
[10:07] <gurum0232> catalin, if you want warez (I do not condone this...cough cough), just use bittorrent
[10:07] <catalin> and i want to see a movie somtime
[10:07] <vague> but i have a colour printer. and for that i need a normal version or the turboprint driver will put an ugly logo an every site :(
[10:07] <i0n_st0rm> is there any reason to actually use the linux-k7 package to install the k7 kernel?
[10:07] <Arnia> catalin: Why aren't you using gnome-bittorrent?
[10:08] <catalin> because i dont know sires
[10:08] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, of course not, compile from the source
[10:08] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:08] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, :)
[10:08] <i0n_st0rm> your answer for everything, huh? :p
[10:08] <J0hnni> I have two harddrives, master has Ubuntu and the slave has Windows XP SP2. How can I make multiboot with grub2???
[10:08] <Arnia> catalin: sires?
[10:08] <catalin> we dont have so much sites to take for
[10:08] <GhostFreeman> How can i invert colors on an image in GIMP
[10:08] <catalin> sites
[10:08] <catalin> sorry
[10:08] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: careful.. i'm going to start thinking you're a gentoo fan
[10:08] <J0hnni> I have two harddrives, master has Ubuntu and the slave has Windows XP SP2. How can I make multiboot with grub2???
[10:08] <jesper> catalin: apt-get install dcgui
[10:08] <bob2> J0hnni: will windows actually boot like that at all?
[10:08] <gurum0232> vague, best advice, next time before getting a new hardware, make sure it works with linux
[10:08] <catalin> and then?
[10:09] <blizah> hoary uses alsa sound right?
[10:09] <Arnia> catalin: So are you looking for torrents or for another method?
[10:09] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Hey man, I used to use Fedora.  Nothing compiles on Fedora at all, it's broken to hell.  Ubuntu is most beautiful for compiling, works every time.  :)
[10:09] <J0hnni> Ofcourse, when change the boot order from BIOS
[10:09] <J0hnni> *when I
[10:09] <jesper> start it.
[10:09] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:09] <vague> but what wehn the hardware was there first?
[10:09] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, I am a gentoo fan, but I can't live without apt
[10:09] <jirwin> hello
[10:09] <synan> anyone? im low on debian knowledge, is there a way to update package lists on a networkless computer?
[10:09] <J0hnni> And it should be possible :P
[10:09] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: i'm a gentoo fan and portage > apt
[10:09] <vague> and windows is only one bis virus
[10:09] <vague> big
[10:09] <jesper> sataere: emerge apt-get.. then :-)
[10:09] <jirwin> is there any iTunes like media players available?
[10:09] <i0n_st0rm> it's the 3 day installation that may or may not work for me that has me on ubuntu right now
[10:09] <blizah> hoary = ALSO?
[10:09] <blizah> ALSA
[10:10] <gurum0232> vague, well, since you managed to get to IRC chan, you probably have enough comp. experience to figure it out.. it takes time ane effort. :(
[10:10] <i0n_st0rm> blizah: ?
[10:10] <dazed|> has anyone experienced problems with computer locking up RANDOMLY on hoary?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> jirwin: rhythmbox, amarok...
[10:10] <dazed|> locking up tot he point u have to reboot by hand?
[10:10] <bob2> J0hnni: are you sure it's possible?  windows is rather picky about that sort of thing.
[10:10] <FreezerX> jirwin, xmms?
[10:10] <gurum0232> dazed, try memtest and prime95 and cpu burn in..
[10:10] <vague> oh :(
[10:10] <jesper> dazed|: thats usually hardware problems.. have you tried memtest86 ?
[10:10] <synan> can i update packages by d/l it somewhere else, pls anyone?
[10:10] <jirwin> FreezerX, I think of xmms more like winamp
[10:10] <catalin> jesper look what hapenns:cikilin@10:~ $ apt-get install dcgui
[10:10] <catalin> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[10:10] <catalin> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[10:10] <catalin> cikilin@10:~ $ sudo apt-get install dcgui
[10:10] <catalin> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:10] <catalin> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:10] <vague> ok. thank you and byebye. i'll try my best
[10:10] <catalin> cikilin@10:~ $
[10:11] <dazed|> jesper, no i havent when i run memtest86 will it walk me through what i need to do?
[10:11] <i0n_st0rm> catalin: close synaptic and try again
[10:11] <jirwin> nevermind though thank you :)
[10:11] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, careful I'm thinking of switching to gentoo, you might just convinve me ;)
[10:11] <jesper> catalin: sudo apt-get install dcgui
[10:11] <catalin> k
[10:11] <thoreauputic> catalin: please don't flood the channel
[10:11] <blizah> i0n_st0rm, does houar use open sound system (oss) or advanced linux sound architecture (alsa)?
[10:11] <blizah> hoary
[10:11] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: if you can get it to work, i would personally recommend it.. i do prefer gentoo, but simply can't deal with the frustration it gives me
[10:11] <J0hnni> bob2, I have heard it should be possible. If it's not, what shall I do then??
[10:11] <synan> can i update packages by d/l it somewhere else, pls anyone?
[10:11] <catalin> jesper i ve done and it sais k
[10:11] <synan> (nag)
[10:12] <catalin> now............?
[10:12] <kakalto> how do I watch dvd's?
[10:12] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, what frustration is that?
[10:12] <bob2> J0hnni: no idea, I don't use windows
[10:12] <i0n_st0rm> blizah: alsa is working great by default on mine
[10:12] <kakalto> what package do I need?
[10:12] <Seveas> synan, yes you can
[10:12] <synan> Seveas, any urls for reading?
[10:12] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: for some reason the dozen times i tried to get gentoo working right, i screwed something up :) i'm good like that
[10:12] <blizah> so hoary uses alsa?...thats what im woundering
[10:12] <catalin> jesper : The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:12] <catalin>   dcgui: Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.9.90) but 2.8.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[10:12] <Seveas> synan, what exactly do you want to do?
[10:12] <kakalto> what's teh replacement for libdvdcss2?
[10:13] <grivell> i0n_st0rm: You can of course download binaries as a base which kills the whole compile time.  I myself was experimenting with Gentoo on a USB HD.  It messed up a week or so ago after I added 'readline' to USES and emerge --newuse -uD world.  bash would segfault, etc.  So I'm on Ubuntu with the usb hd now.  And Debian as the base.
[10:13] <i0n_st0rm> blizah: the answer is yes.. sorry, i'm wordy
[10:13] <blizah> hehe k
[10:13] <blizah> tnx
[10:13] <FreezerX> How can I check if dma is enable. I am copying a large file from cdrom to hd, and everything is much slower
[10:13] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, hehe, that's really not hard when you compile everything from source :)
[10:13] <synan> Seveas, i have a networkless comp that i would like to keep updated by d/l stuff s/w else.. low on deb knowledge, how does it work?
[10:13] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: the sad part is, i even tried to do a binary install to save time, with the intent of doing a rebuild world.. and somehow still screwed it up
[10:13] <synan> Seveas, im a slacker, we havent got such things.. =)
[10:13] <dazed|> jesper, no i havent when i run memtest86 will it walk me through what i need to do?
[10:13] <jesper> catalin: try sudo apt-get update
[10:13] <Seveas> FreezerX, sudo hdparm -d /dev/hda (or your harddisks device)
[10:13] <jesper> first
[10:14] <catalin> i ve done in the morning
[10:14] <Seveas> synan, you can manually dowload packages from the archive
[10:14] <Seveas> and use dpkg -i to install them
[10:14] <jesper> dazed|: it's install in lilo or grub so you can choose it at bootup
[10:14] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Hey have you used Debian at all?  I've really been wondering how Debian compares to Gentoo.  I love Ubuntu's community, but it feels a little restrictive for me and I really am thinking of switching over to Gentoo or Debian.
[10:14] <dazed|> jesper, just run it and it should fix it?
[10:14] <gurum0232> does anyone know which directory has C header files for my kernel?
[10:14] <synan> Seveas, how can i update the list whats in the d/l pool?
[10:14] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: it's what i had on my slave drive before ubuntu
[10:14] <grivell> i0n_st0rm: Yeah.  I think Gentoo is for people who don't value their time.  Nice in theory, if we all had 30 GHz systems.
[10:14] <Seveas> sataere, the Ubuntu community is not restrictive :)
[10:15] <jesper> dazed|: no it's tell you if you "ram" it br0ken
[10:15] <jesper> is
[10:15] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: it's not as bad as you think
[10:15] <Seveas> synan, download the dists/hoary/packages file and place them in the correct location on your system
[10:15] <dazed|> oh and if its not then the freezing will continue?
[10:15] <catalin> jesper what can i do for dc++?
[10:15] <sataere> Seveas, Sorry, I didnt mean that.  I love the Ubuntu community, but Ubuntu itself feels restrictive.
[10:15] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: if you do a full binary install and rebuild world to recompile everything custom, you can get the same effect while having the system working
[10:15] <Seveas> sataere, in what way?
[10:15] <seven_six_two> anyone seen a bittorrent configurator?
[10:16] <jesper> catalin: I have never used dc so .. I guess I'm out of luck :-)
[10:16] <gurum0232> seven, try bitt tornado
[10:16] <catalin> k
[10:16] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: if you know linux enough to get gentoo working, i recommend it over debian as my personal choice
[10:16] <kakalto> how do I get libdvdcss2 on hoary?
[10:16] <seven_six_two> i could, but i'm almost done the iso
[10:16] <grivell> sataere: Debian is Ubuntu's base.  It lacks Xorg and KDE 3.4 (in unstable).  But it isn't bad if you have patience for apps to come in.
[10:16] <seven_six_two> you know the port for it? 1863?
[10:16] <Seveas> kakalto, use marillat's repository
[10:16] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: the speed i was able to get out of a custom compile'd environment through gentoo, plus the power of portage.. has me a gentoo fan for life
[10:16] <sataere> Seveas, well given the fact that the installer barely asked for a name and password and nothing else (and consequently was severely broken in being able to detect my network), I had to work hard to get around the easy user interface
[10:17] <dazed|> what if none of my ram is broken jesper?
[10:17] <Pol_> Hello guys
[10:17] <gurum0232> dazedl, did you try memtest?
[10:17] <Pol_> what's the difference between the last RC and the final release ?
[10:17] <grivell> i0n_st0rm: Yes, but that speed you get is cut down to nothing when GCC is 99% cpu ;)
[10:17] <i0n_st0rm> Pol_: last minute bug fixes? :)
[10:17] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:17] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: that's entirely beside the point ;)
[10:18] <Pol_> i0n_st0rm: there is a changelog somewhere?
[10:18] <sataere> grivell, Oh I like Ubuntu a lot (after Fedora, who wouldn't?)  It works well, and does amazing things without me having to tell it to do anything, but I would very much like to be able to tell it to do exactly what I want, which I don't feel able to do.
[10:18] <i0n_st0rm> Pol_: haven't a clue :)
[10:18] <jefis> I have too sound cards, and via, and cmi, primary is via, how to change to cmi????????
[10:18] <Pol_> ok
[10:18] <kakalto> Seveas, thanks
[10:18] <grivell> sataere: What you want it to do?
[10:18] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: what you want is gentoo, but i wish you alot of luck and patience
[10:18] <gurum0232> jefis, the easiest would be disable one of your sound cards..
[10:19] <thoreauputic> sataere: in those respects debian and ubuntu are virtually identical
[10:19] <jefis> i don't want to disable
[10:19] <tott> anyone got time to help me mount a disk?
[10:19] <i0n_st0rm> actually.. i'm very tempted to go get the latest gentoo cd and try again.. not like i can't go back to ubuntu in 20 minutes
[10:19] <gurum0232> tott, did you read the guide?
[10:19] <tott> didnt find it.
[10:19] <thoreauputic> sataere: there's a "debian way" for most things
[10:19] <sataere> grivell, For starters I'd like to compile out all the things I don't need in the kernel.  Ubuntu seems to frown upon that.
[10:19] <jefis> anyone know ?????????
[10:19] <gurum0232> mott, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:19] <gurum0232> it's there..
[10:19] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: in the way that you are meaning, ubuntu = debian
[10:20] <gurum0232> ubuntu = debian + hardware detection + unified GUI
[10:20] <sataere> i0n_st0rm thoreauputic, Ah, I see.
[10:20] <grivell> sataere: The startup scripts frown on it?  I have it in a chroot so I've never booted it.
[10:20] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: what you want is gentoo with the use flags
[10:20] <tott> ok thanks
[10:20] <thoreauputic> sataere: there's a "debian way" for kernel compiles, too
[10:20] <ziabice> re all
[10:20] <i0n_st0rm> there is.. you *can* do everything in debian/ubuntu as you can in gentoo
[10:21] <i0n_st0rm> it's just alot easier in gentoo
[10:21] <i0n_st0rm> because it's default
[10:21] <jefis> I have too sound cards, and via, and cmi, primary is via, how to change to cmi????????
[10:21] <i0n_st0rm> *blink* what on earth is cmi?
[10:21] <jefis> soundcard :)
[10:22] <ziabice> jefis: if you use alsa you can refer to it using hw:1,0
[10:22] <gurum0232> Has anyone successfully installed VMware on hoary?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> jefis: blacklist via in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:22] <ziabice> jefis: or something like that
[10:22] <sataere> grivell, No grub is generally good about new kernels (first thing I did was replace the 386 kernel with the 686), but I don't get the general impression that Ubuntu is really set up to be customized.  Most of the administration tools are oversimplified, etc...
[10:22] <ziabice> jefis: what program are you using?
[10:22] <jefis> alsa
[10:22] <daniels> sataere: what in particular can't be customised?
[10:22] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: one thing you'll have fun with in gentoo is that you have to set up grub by hand.. i've not seen it auto-detect/update anything
[10:22] <i0n_st0rm> not that it's hard, mind you
[10:23] <thoreauputic> sataere: the under-the-hood admin tools are mostly dpkg tools
[10:23] <i0n_st0rm> you simply have to KNOW your system if you try gentoo
[10:23] <grivell> i0n_st0rm: Well, USES is for losing features.  What if you need them later?  The compile flags can be dangerous for some apps above -O2, and most packages override the compiler options you specify.  So speed gain is virtually nothing.  And storage space is terrible since you must keep what would be -dev in Debian/Ubuntu.
[10:23] <Witigonen> Hey all.  So, when I boot up, my mouse - my builtin touchpad on my laptop - doesn't work.  Any ideas?
[10:23] <sataere> daniels, Anything can be customized, but the way things are set up doesn't make me feel very encouraged to do so.
[10:24] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: i disagree about the speed gain being virtually nill, and it's not for *losing* features, it's for opting out things that you simply have no use for
[10:24] <grivell> sataere: apt-get kernel-sources-2.6.11 (if it is in ubuntu.  Haven't looked).
[10:24] <i0n_st0rm> and you don't have to keep it
[10:24] <i0n_st0rm> though i do understand what you mean
[10:25] <sataere> grivell, I have them...I'm not disagreeing that there are ways to do what I want, I am just saying I don't feel like the setup provides any help in doing so.
[10:25] <synan> Seveas, um... sorry to bother you again, i dont know if its me or the ubuntu web site, but i cant seem to find the d/l locations, like ftp or such.. any help? =)
[10:25] <titoxx69> hi
[10:26] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: if you want ultimate control (at ultimate risk), go gentoo
[10:26] <i0n_st0rm> otherwise deal with learning the way in ubuntu
[10:26] <woodwizzle> How do i install fonts in ubuntu
[10:26] <fallstorm> or LFS
[10:26] <fallstorm> :P
[10:26] <i0n_st0rm> lol@lfs
[10:26] <grivell> sataere: I don't do it the Debian/Ubuntu way.  I just make menuconfig; make ; make modules_install ; cp vmlinuz /boot/kernel-2.6.11 ; nano -w /etc/yaboot.conf ; ybin -v  :)  It is a pain, but I don't update kernel too much.
[10:26] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Hehe, I've never been one to heed warnings of risk
[10:26] <i0n_st0rm> that's just asking for punishment :)
[10:28] <grivell> sataere: I agree with i0n_st0rm.  You want Gentoo :-P
[10:28] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:28] <sataere> grivell, Yes, but I like my environment to have that sort of functionality from the ground up.
[10:28] <sataere> Heh
[10:28] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: in time, all realize that agreeing with me is usually best
[10:28] <sataere> lol
[10:28] <i0n_st0rm> i try not to open my mouth unless i know i'm right ;)
[10:29] <Fator_Dee> hmm, it seems I killed something important, I can't right-click on my desktop to open the dialog :-\
[10:29] <i0n_st0rm> of course i end up making a fool of myself on occasion, but for the most part, i end up looking much smarter than i am
[10:29] <grivell> i0n_st0rm: I try not to know I'm right unless I open my mouth ;)
[10:29] <Fator_Dee> does somebody know what program I'm missing?
[10:29] <i0n_st0rm> grivell: ..
[10:29] <gurum0232> so no one using vmware?
[10:29] <gurum0232> what is the best virtualization environment to run Windows 2000?
[10:29] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: vmware in... windows?
[10:29] <bob2> Fator_Dee: log out and back in again
[10:29] <gurum0232> no. vmware in linux
[10:30] <i0n_st0rm> then no ;)
[10:30] <Fator_Dee> bob2: too much trouble :-/
[10:30] <gurum0232> Trying to get Internet Explorer + directx + activeX in Linux..
[10:30] <gurum0232> :)
[10:30] <i0n_st0rm> though i think i have a linux version of vmware around here somewhere
[10:30] <hasanudin> heloo
[10:30] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Can you tell me what gentoo means by a semi-compiled state for its stage2 install?
[10:30] <i0n_st0rm> i know i have 3 windows versions
[10:30] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:30] <thoreauputic> gurum0232: yuk
[10:30] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: welcome to hell
[10:30] <gurum0232> so many websites not working under linux/firefox :(
[10:30] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, lmao
[10:30] <gurum0232> thoreauputic, i know..
[10:30] <Lu-> i need help, my internet not work, i'm useing 4 port ethernet adsl modem (no usb). "second computer with windows work"
[10:30] <Arnia> gurum0232: Someone has packaged IE up in Wine
[10:31] <gurum0232> arnia, tried it already..
[10:31] <imsdle> im trying to install xfce but frezes on 0% [Waiting for headers]
[10:31] <hasanudin> i can mount manally, buat cant mount network in nautilus browser
[10:31] <gurum0232> arnia, but it doesn't load video streaming..
[10:31] <gurum0232> :)
[10:31] <hasanudin> any can help me ?
[10:31] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Hey, I was thinking of doing linux from scratch.  I consider Gentoo the easy way out.  :)
[10:31] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: I've seen very few IE-only pages..our use of the web might be different, though
[10:31] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: stage 1 = you compile kernel.. bootstrap.. stage 2 = barest of system is already done for you with base line optimization for your platform.. stage 3 = you just compile the kernel and apps.. system is done for you
[10:31] <EvilIdler> Even my bank recommends Opera over IE
[10:31] <ziabice> excuse me...
[10:31] <gurum0232> evilidler, one of my hobbies is watching Internet TV.. but most of them only support IE..
[10:31] <DaviX> I dont like opera.
[10:32] <ziabice> I've found how to let alsa work in amd64 chroot
[10:32] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: Perhaps the MPlayer pages have something about bypassing the need for a browser there?
[10:32] <ziabice> where I must write it?
[10:32] <fallstorm> I'm not an Opera fan either, but I like OmniWeb on my Mac
[10:32] <Fator_Dee> bob2: didn't help
[10:32] <hasanudin> i can mount manually, buat cant mount network in nautilus browser (uBuntu 5.04). any body can help me?
[10:32] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, cool.  :D
[10:32] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: my suggestion to you.. do a stage 3 with grp, then redo it from the ground up after your system is config'd and working
[10:32] <linuxboy> i have an apt-proxy running on my debian box. But i upgraded my warty box to hoary... and apt-proxy breaks
[10:32] <EvilIdler> Opera is my preferred browser.
[10:32] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Not stage1?
[10:32] <gurum0232> yes.... the thing is the website I need to visit requires SSL authentication using IE..
[10:32] <gurum0232> Firefox is my love
[10:32] <i0n_st0rm> if you do a stage 3 with binary/grp, you can go back and re-compile your whole system from the ground up with the optimizations and settings you want
[10:33] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: Try googling for auth scripts. I think I saw something like that as a plugin for Firefox
[10:33] <dholbach> people should compile NEW packages for everyone, not the same ones over and over again ;-))
[10:33] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: if you do a stage1 and compile everything from downloaded portage, be ready for a 3 day installation to get everything up to kde and ooo working
[10:33] <gurum0232> evilidler, but I doubt it would work with this site... it's pretty wincentric.. :D but thanks.
[10:33] <thoreauputic> I've had firefox up now for literally weeks, about 25 tabs open at a time, not a single crash yet: i'm impressed
[10:34] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Ah.  I see.  They said it would take a long time, but I thought that was in the region of two hours.  :(
[10:34] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: I've had even Opera authenticating with tricky remote-desktop auths at a school, but I can't remember any of it now :P
[10:34] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:34] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: 2 hours? you're not going to get it done in 2 hours from stage 3 with all binaries
[10:34] <hasanudin> any body help me ? :(
[10:35] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, :((
[10:35] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: gentoo installation is for someone with one hell of alot of time on their hands
[10:35] <gurum0232> my biggest gripe about linux.. not being able to remember how I fixed a certain thing.
[10:35] <fallstorm> I never got a working Gentoo install
[10:35] <gurum0232> I mean who would be able to remember firewall settings..
[10:35] <i0n_st0rm> that's why i'm sitting here in ubuntu
[10:35] <i0n_st0rm> i booted up the hoary release cd
[10:35] <fallstorm> Always have some little problem and then I'd get impatient/bored with it and move on
[10:35] <i0n_st0rm> 20 minutes later i was in here
[10:35] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Well, I have been feeling particularly bored as of late.  Things in Ubuntu are so easy (except the damned install which is too easy)
[10:35] <EvilIdler> Just compiling X can take all day on some systems, and compiling the kernel with all modules can take an hour
[10:35] <sataere> :)
[10:35] <thoreauputic> gurum0232: there's thi sgreat app called "pencil and paper" *grin*
[10:36] <gurum0232> heh
[10:36] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: well.. my recommendation to you is split your drive and keep a small ubuntu setup.. and install gentoo from in ubuntu
[10:36] <Lu-> i have internet problem
[10:36] <Lu-> i think dns not work
[10:36] <gurum0232> but with Ubuntu, I don't think I need pen+paper
[10:36] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: at least you can chat with us to keep yourself from falling asleep during those 4 hour compiles
[10:36] <emitrax> hey guys
[10:37] <Arnia> gurum0232: I eliminated pen and paper using Tomboy ;)
[10:37] <emitrax> did you know about this http://www.messinalug.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=993
[10:37] <jefis> anyone knows, how to make 100hz ?
[10:37] <fallstorm> Lu-, in your web browser go to http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:37] <i0n_st0rm> 100hz?
[10:37] <fallstorm> And tell us what happens
[10:37] <thoreauputic> gurum0232: I have a file called  rememberthis.txt
[10:37] <jefis> My monitors works well with 1024x768@100hz at windows
[10:37] <woodwizzle> Can anyone please point me in the right direction as to where to install fonts?
[10:37] <i0n_st0rm> oh
[10:37] <jefis> in linux maximum is 85hz
[10:37] <gurum0232> i mean I use linux for fun.. I don't want to take notes..
[10:38] <gurum0232> jefis, would you really need that extra 15hz?
[10:38] <i0n_st0rm> jefis: you need to manually edit your xorg config file and give it the exact vertical and horizontal sync on your monitor
[10:38] <gurum0232> i mean from 60 -> 85 is mandatory..but after that, you won't notice it.
[10:38] <jefis> ok :)
[10:38] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: if he's an fps gamer, then yes, he needs the 15hz
[10:38] <jefis> :D
[10:38] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, right now I have / on a 10 gig partition and /home on a 20 gig partition, I was planning on just wiping / :(
[10:38] <i0n_st0rm> ;)
[10:39] <jefis> i0n_st0rm: what you know fps in linux?
[10:39] <toresbe> jefis: just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:39] <jefis> ;)
[10:39] <jefis> ok
[10:39] <toresbe> jefis: it's got stuff like "Horiz" and "Vert"
[10:39] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: i just have a 20GB slave drive that i put linux on
[10:39] <gurum0232> hmm..anyone ever tried vmware? what is the best guest OS under linux?
[10:39] <i0n_st0rm> jefis: to be honest? not a great deal.. but i'm an fps gamer so i know the need
[10:39] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, Ah, but you have the advantage of not having a laptop.  :)
[10:40] <daven> gurum0232: i have ubuntu as a guest ;-)
[10:40] <gurum0232> well, I have an LCD monitor...so 75 is fine for me..
[10:40] <i0n_st0rm> sataere: on a laptop i would either go one os or another ;)
[10:40] <gurum0232> daven, really? under vmware?
[10:40] <toresbe> jefis: If you have your monitor manual, you can get the specs from there :)
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> how can I edit the "Applications -> Debian" menu on hoary? for some reason I have 2 instances of every program in there.
[10:40] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, That's what I had planned.
[10:40] <daven> gurum0232: and win2k, debian (not quite working yet), rhel3 and suse9.2
[10:40] <toresbe> Fator_Dee: that's odd.
[10:40] <gurum0232> ah the joys of tweaking Xconfig...yuck.
[10:40] <daven> gurum0232: fedora wouldn't work for me
[10:40] <gurum0232> daven, what is your host OS?
[10:40] <Arnia> Fator_Dee: Have you used the debian repositories?
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> marillat yes
[10:40] <jefis> i0n_st0rm: that 85hz is hurting my eyes
[10:41] <daven> gurum0232: my host os in winxp, but i don't see why it should be worse on linux?
[10:41] <drbombay43> yellow to all, is anyone using kernel 2.6.11-1 k7
[10:41] <daven> gurum0232: sorry, you're right - didn't quite answer the question you asked ;-)
[10:41] <gurum0232> jefis, heh... i mean then how would able to watch TV? that's got super low refresh rate.
[10:41] <i0n_st0rm> jefis: shut it.. 85hz is the best i can get, and that's at 800x600.. i'm sitting here staring at 1024x768@60hz
[10:41] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: because watching tv is very different from fps gaming
[10:41] <jefis> gurum0232: i don't watch tv :)
[10:41] <gurum0232> i0n, damn... man, 17 inch monitor costs like $50..
[10:42] <Smeven> does flash plugin or mplayer plugin work on amd64 yet?
[10:42] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: splendid! care to donate me a $50 17" monitor?
[10:42] <gurum0232> i mean I 've playing FPS exclusively on Xbox/gamecube... fine for me and my friends.
[10:42] <gurum0232> i0n, I would except shipping would be like another $50.
[10:42] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: that's not fps gaming
[10:42] <gurum0232> I have like four 17 monitors in my house... all from thrift sops.
[10:42] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: hehe.. ok then just donate the $50 and i'll find the monitor :-p
[10:42] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:43] <jefis> ;)
[10:43] <toresbe> I need to set up a kickass xinerama setup
[10:43] <i0n_st0rm> i've got another 15" around here somewhere, but this one's better quality
[10:43] <gurum0232> dave, i cn.. so is it useable?
[10:43] <i0n_st0rm> money seems to dislike me
[10:43] <toresbe> I have access to about 70 19"'ers in storage
[10:43] <i0n_st0rm> it never gathers in large numbers in my wallet
[10:43] <i0n_st0rm> of course having a job might fix that..
[10:43] <gurum0232> everyone who needs a new monitor go bet toresbe.
[10:43] <Arnia> toresbe: Build a video wall
[10:43] <daven> gurum0232: yeah, pretty fine (2GHz laptop with 2GB RAM)
[10:43] <gurum0232> but seriously, CRT suck energy..
[10:43] <gurum0232> 2gb ram.. damn. Only 512MB here.
[10:43] <daven> gurum0232: i reckon you'd want getting on for a gig of ram for the host and a guest
[10:44] <i0n_st0rm> what's wrong with CRT? :-p
[10:44] <daven> gurum0232: i reckon 512 would be a bit tight :-s  would depend on your host os i guess
[10:44] <gurum0232> also, CRT -> radiation -> it has been documented that CRT users have higher chance of having daughers over sons.
[10:44] <i0n_st0rm> an lcd monitor that is fps-friendly is not nice to the wallet
[10:44] <toresbe> Arnia: I was thinking about doing a 180-degree one
[10:44] <daven> gurum0232: download the eval and try it out?
[10:44] <gurum0232> daven, yes.. definitely.
[10:44] <Arnia> i0n_st0rm: They're horrible with epilepsy :)
[10:44] <gurum0232> i0n, true.
[10:44] <i0n_st0rm> arnia: lol
[10:44] <jefis> mine is samsung :)
[10:44] <gurum0232> i0n, check out fatwallet.com, sleakdeals.net
[10:44] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:45] <Arnia> toresbe: Make a video room?
[10:45] <gurum0232> samsung here also.. love samsung.
[10:45] <EvilIdler> gurum0232: Are you saying CRT increases people's chances of getting laid?
[10:45] <Arnia> Samsung means to...
[10:45] <toresbe> Arnia: I have 5 PCI slots, would work nicely with a big honkin' desk
[10:45] <gurum0232> evil, nope. :(
[10:45] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: ... radiation.. daughters.. you are nutty
[10:45] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:45] <x_fOrGe_x> Hey all, what is the good word tonight..  =)
[10:45] <Arnia> toresbe: I want one of those huge apple monitors. The ones that require two dvi cables
[10:46] <vague> hello
[10:46] <UBabe> Anyone know how to get Ubuntu to use a windows based boot loader instead of Grub?
[10:46] <toresbe> Arnia: heh
[10:46] <toresbe> http://www.messinalug.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=993
[10:46] <toresbe> wow
[10:46] <UBabe> hello :)
[10:46] <thoreauputic> UBabe: what for??
[10:46] <i0n_st0rm> the biggest problem i've gotten from my CRT monitors is 32 hour gaming sprees resulting in migrane due to cathode ray burn
[10:46] <hasanudin> i can mount manually, buat cant mount network in nautilus browser (uBuntu 5.04). any body can help me?
[10:46] <toresbe> UBabe: it's not possible, two different technologies, sorry
[10:46] <UBabe> thoreaputic: i had my old one preconfigured and everything
[10:46] <UBabe> oooh
[10:47] <gurum0232> seriously, I am saving so much electricity due to using LCD
[10:47] <vague> can anybody help me with my printer driver problem? i have an canon ip1500 and i doesn't work
[10:47] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: why would you want to?
[10:47] <Arnia> toresbe: A wall of cool apple monitors?
[10:47] <toresbe> gurum0232: at my orphanage I don't pay the bills :)
[10:47] <gurum0232> 50 > 25
[10:47] <Arnia> Actually, what I want is a polarised filtered IMAX 3D :)
[10:47] <toresbe> heh
[10:47] <Huey> can i "delete" the first user added to the system?
[10:47] <toresbe> would *really* make opengl wm's dun
[10:47] <toresbe> fun*
[10:47] <Huey> how would i designate someone else to be the main sudo user?
[10:48] <gurum0232> actually, what I really want is stick some chips in my brain so I don't need any monitor, sound card, or even cpu.
[10:48] <Arnia> toresbe: Probably induce motion sickness though :)
[10:48] <thoreauputic> Huey: wach out - you lose your sudo setup
[10:48] <Arnia> gurum0232: I plan to have that done at some point
[10:48] <i0n_st0rm> gurum0232: mmmmmm.. wetwire
[10:48] <fallstorm> That would be a nasty kernel crash gurum
[10:48] <drbombay43> yellow; is there anyone here who is using a 2.6.11 kernel?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> Huey: visudo
[10:48] <i0n_st0rm> fallstorm: lol
[10:48] <gurum0232> everything embedded in my brain..with 100000^9999 Mhz, 199999 ^88888 MB ram
[10:48] <kakalto> how can I make a program run on login?
[10:48] <kakalto> in kde
[10:48] <jefis> ~/.kde/Autostart/
[10:48] <Huey> maybe there's an easier way, then...is there a way to re-create the default gnome settings for a user?
[10:49] <Arnia> gurum0232: Not EVERYTHING in my brain... just have an extra pair of eyes and ears I can use
[10:49] <mz2> i get this bizarre error msg when trying to log in that /tmp is running out of space
[10:49] <Huey> i tried just deleting all relevant files, but it wouldn't create them, it threw some error
[10:49] <gurum0232> and I'll have some wonderful program who will run my body and help me get through this BS in the world (like working and making money)
[10:49] <i0n_st0rm> how many people here actually use kubuntu/kubuntu-desktop?
[10:49] <Huey> but this only happens for one user
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Huey: delete ~/.gnome  .gnome2
[10:49] <gurum0232> while my real mind is in this virtual world having virtual vacation;
[10:49] <gurum0232> i think it's possible.
[10:49] <i0n_st0rm> i'd love to have cruise control for my body
[10:49] <Arnia> gurum0232: You can actually train yourself to multitask if you want
[10:50] <gurum0232> after all, the real world would rather prefer an automaton...than a creative being who is extremely lazy.
[10:50] <i0n_st0rm> actually.. i think that i do have it
[10:50] <mz2> i was able to log in with a different user, then tried again with this one, and anything that should use /tmp doesn't seem to work (for example polypaudio complains me about the same thing)
[10:50] <i0n_st0rm> you ever driven home from somewhere.. and not remembered actually driving there?
[10:50] <gurum0232> Arnia, my brain is not adopted to multitasking, :(
[10:50] <Rhymes> anyone knows why gnome-panel, gedit, totem and such programs keep crashing when started?
[10:50] <Huey> thoreauputic: i actually did 'rm -r ~/.*'
[10:50] <Huey> so which files should i copy from another user to restore the default settings?
[10:50] <seven_six_two> better
[10:50] <Arnia> gurum0232: Its training, that's all. I can put visual overlays on my normal visual field
[10:50] <i0n_st0rm> i can remember many times in the past that i've gone to drive home from somewhere.. remember leaving the place.. remember getting home.. but not actually remembering driving
[10:51] <Arnia> gurum0232: Very handy when coding
[10:51] <gurum0232> arnia, wow
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Huey: you did *what* ??
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Huey: you deleted *all* dot files?
[10:51] <i0n_st0rm> arnia: you scare me
[10:51] <bds> hi
[10:51] <Arnia> Its training
[10:51] <i0n_st0rm> no..
[10:52] <Huey> thoreauputic: yeah, i was a bit intoxicated at the time...
[10:52] <Arnia> What?
[10:52] <MrNonchalant> roflmao
[10:52] <x_fOrGe_x> heh
[10:52] <Arnia> :p
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Huey: you must have been
[10:52] <Huey> is there a way to wipe a user so his home directory is the same as a fresh install?
[10:52] <gurum0232> arnia, any good HOWTO's?
[10:52] <Arnia> I'm a normal human being who likes seeing what his brain can do when pressed
[10:52] <UBabe> anyone know if Grub is any good at maning partitions, autohiding etc...?
[10:52] <gurum0232> arnia, I've been reading some NLP shit..interesting.
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Huey: just make a new user and add him/her to sudoers with visudo
[10:52] <UBabe> maning=naming
[10:53] <Arnia> gurum0232: Heh... I'm a semanticist :p
[10:53] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: hiding?
[10:53] <Arnia> gurum0232: I must wonder why you brought that up
[10:53] <gurum0232> arnia.. stress..
[10:53] <Rhymes> i can't use gnome cause all of this programs crash
[10:53] <gurum0232> Arnia, kinda stressed with my life..and kinda trying to force myself to do something I hate to do..
[10:53] <i0n_st0rm> programs crash?
[10:53] <i0n_st0rm> does anyone else hate dr phil?
[10:54] <UBabe> i0n storm: yeah, i have a basic windows ootloader called OSL2000
[10:54] <UBabe> im trying to make it work kind of the same
[10:54] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: what does this boot loader do that's so special?
[10:54] <Rhymes> i0n_st0rm: when gnome starts after login in gdm gnome-panel crashes, it crashes also if i start it manually. (gedit and totem too)
[10:54] <i0n_st0rm> ...
[10:54] <i0n_st0rm> Rhymes: what did you screw up?
[10:54] <Arnia> gurum0232: Hmm... my advice to learn how to do these tricks is to start small. You need to force your brain to become more plastic. Are you synesthesic at all?
[10:54] <seven_six_two> lol...
[10:54] <Rhymes> i dunno :(
[10:54] <UBabe> it has stealth mode: can run without a prompt screen unless i interrupt it after the MBR gets read
[10:55] <x_fOrGe_x> iOn, yes other hate phil  ;)
[10:55] <Arnia> (and they are tricks... useful tricks, but tricks nonetheless. You can survive without them)
[10:55] <UBabe> once i activate a partition, all other partitions become inactive (i.e. autohide)
[10:55] <gurum0232> Arnia. i don't really understand the meaning of synesthetic..
[10:55] <gurum0232> I think I am mildy autistic
[10:55] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: don't see why you even need that..
[10:55] <UBabe> erm, i ned the autohide part though.
[10:55] <Arnia> gurum0232: Do you have some muddle between your senses?
[10:55] <i0n_st0rm> i don't get the autohide part
[10:55] <seven_six_two> i don't see grub when i boot UBabe
[10:55] <UBabe> I dont want my PC partitions appearing in Linux and vice versa.
[10:55] <gurum0232> Arnia, muddle?
[10:56] <Rhymes> mmm i try to debug binaries with gdb and look see happens
[10:56] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: they won't in grub
[10:56] <i0n_st0rm> windows can't by default *see* linux partitions
[10:56] <mz2> hmm, this really seems to be some user-specific problem, everything works fine with all the other users
[10:56] <Arnia> gurum0232: The stereotypical example is smelling sounds, or days of the week having colours
[10:56] <i0n_st0rm> linux doesn't see what you don't mount
[10:56] <UBabe> How configurabke is Grub though?
[10:56] <gurum0232> Arnia.. nope
[10:56] <UBabe> configurakble=configurable
[10:56] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: i imagine that your boot loader doesn't actually do anything special
[10:56] <i0n_st0rm> ubuntu's grub works rather well
[10:57] <Arnia> gurum0232: Do years have a shape?
[10:57] <i0n_st0rm> you pick your drive/partition to make active and boot from
[10:57] <seven_six_two> dodecahedronal
[10:57] <gurum0232> Arnia, nope.. too me everything is somewhat mechanical..
[10:57] <UBabe> I suppose, can i rename the partitions listed in Grub though?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> UBabe: it's very configurable, but I don't think you'll need more than defaults
[10:57] <gurum0232> more like some sort of system.
[10:57] <MrNonchalant> The darn installer always screws up my GRUB menu.lst
[10:57] <thoreauputic> UBabe: yes
[10:57] <UBabe> I have two instances of XP and both appear with the same name
[10:57] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: t loader really has nothing to do with what your operating systems can and can't see
[10:58] <thoreauputic> UBabe: just change the names in the grub menu.lst
[10:58] <Rhymes> i0n_st0rm: http://rafb.net/paste/results/94OWdA74.html
[10:58] <MrNonchalant> UBabe, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:58] <mz2> does anybody have any idea what might cause this? that a specific user cannot write to /tmp?
[10:58] <Arnia> gurum0232: Ah... hmm. Well, a large part of the trick is using the muddle I have between my senses
[10:58] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: yes, you can edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:58] <UBabe> can i reame and configure grub from Gnome, or can i simply do it from the bootloader itself?
[10:58] <mz2> permissions should be fine
[10:58] <gurum0232> arnia, kinda like that guy who did amazing math on his brain..
[10:58] <gurum0232> but he got that ability after having some brain injury :)
[10:58] <i0n_st0rm> UBabe: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:58] <UBabe> cool, thanks dude :)
[10:59] <gurum0232> he holds the Guinnes record for remembering the largest no. of digits of Pi
[10:59] <thoreauputic> UBabe: you can do either, but just editing the file is easiest
[10:59] <Draucon> anyone having problems with xmms?
[10:59] <Arnia> gurum0232: yeah... I like my weirdness, you should like yours. Typicality is boring :)
[10:59] <i0n_st0rm> at least i'm not a total newb and can give some help
[10:59] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[10:59] <MrNonchalant> whenever it upgrades the kernel it always messes up my dual-boot setup :(
[10:59] <UBabe> later ppl, thanks for all ya help!
[10:59] <x_fOrGe_x> any good reasources out there for ATI drivers? (9600 XT Pro) ?
[11:00] <i0n_st0rm> MrNonchalant: how's that?
[11:00] <seven_six_two> oh wow. that was italian or something
[11:00] <spiral> hi
[11:00] <gurum0232> arnia, ture.. :)
[11:00] <gurum0232> but this modern society kinda demands conformity..
[11:00] <gurum0232> :)
[11:00] <i0n_st0rm> MrNonchalant: you mean it showing like 3 different linux kernels and your windows one?
[11:00] <fallstorm> night everyone, have a good one
[11:00] <i0n_st0rm> fallstorm: nite
[11:00] <seven_six_two> Rhymes, sorry...i can't understand that
[11:00] <Arnia> gurum0232: Meh... come to Durham. For some reason we seem to have all the oddities ;)
[11:01] <thoreauputic> MrNonchalant: that's surprising....
[11:01] <MrNonchalant> i0n_st0rm, yeah, which means windows doesn't boot by default till I hand edit it back
[11:01] <gurum0232> durhman, NC?
[11:01] <gurum0232> been there once..
[11:01] <Rhymes> seven_six_two: gosh it's in italian, anyway it does have a segfault with libglib
[11:01] <gurum0232> nice city.
[11:01] <gurum0232> Minneapolis here...
[11:01] <i0n_st0rm> holy hell
[11:01] <Rhymes> i try to translate it in english
[11:01] <Arnia> gurum0232: The original Durham :p
[11:01] <i0n_st0rm> MrNonchalant: you know that you can get rid of the kernels you don't use, right? (and yeah, having to set it back to windows default every time is annoying)
[11:01] <MrNonchalant> the first time it actually erased Windows, but I added it back and this time put it below the "automagic debian" comment line
[11:02] <i0n_st0rm> erased?
[11:02] <gurum0232> original durham?
[11:02] <gurum0232> in UK?
[11:02] <MrNonchalant> from the menu.lst file
[11:02] <i0n_st0rm> now that's just downright mean
[11:02] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:02] <MrNonchalant> very disconcerting as, at the time, I didn't know how to put it back
[11:02] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[11:02] <Arnia> gurum0232: http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/statue/1287/English/Durham/cathed/out/peninsul.htm
[11:03] <i0n_st0rm> Rhyme: what is that.. italian?
[11:03] <Arnia> I live between numbers 8 and 5
[11:03] <FreezerX> I cant extract a rar archive that I created in windows. Archive type is not supported
[11:03] <i0n_st0rm> mer?
[11:03] <gurum0232> freezerx, apt-get install unrar
[11:03] <gurum0232> if that doesn't work, try Wine + winrar
[11:03] <FreezerX> :-) thanks
[11:03] <i0n_st0rm> and don't forget the sudo ;)
[11:03] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:04] <seven_six_two> yeah, italian. Rhymes can you reinstall that package?
[11:04] <gurum0232> arnia, beautiful city.
[11:04] <MrNonchalant> but yeah, I leave the kernels but kill the extra boot options. right noe it's Windows, Ubuntu, Ubuntu (revovery), and memtest
[11:04] <Rhymes> seven_six_two: gnome-panel or libglib?
[11:04] <MrNonchalant> *now
[11:04] <Arnia> gurum0232: My favourite place in the world :)
[11:04] <i0n_st0rm> i toss away the unused kernels
[11:04] <seven_six_two> libglib
[11:04] <Rhymes> ok
[11:04] <i0n_st0rm> i don't like them cluttering me up
[11:04] <MrNonchalant> hmm
[11:05] <MrNonchalant> I probably should as well
[11:05] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[11:05] <MrNonchalant> (watch me do something wrong and then ping out)
[11:05] <i0n_st0rm> that's actually the one thing i default to synaptic for
[11:05] <goonie> will there be a way for warty users to upgrade to hoary without having to do a complete reinstall? And will it be a problem on dual boot machines?
[11:05] <MrNonchalant> yes and no
[11:05] <Arnia> I'm thinking about organising a RandomSprint at some point... where everyone decides to meet up in a place and hack on random ideas and projects which they've conceived of at the event :)
[11:05] <seven_six_two> Il carattere 'on  valido all'inizio di un nome di entit   <<<  what is that
[11:05] <MrNonchalant> respectively
[11:05] <i0n_st0rm> just find the kernels you're not using (and for god's sake don't remove the kernel you're in right not)
[11:06] <Arnia> I think Durham would be conducive to the randomness :)
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> and again the X hangs on me...
[11:06] <pere> Hi. Tried upgrading to hoary, by changing the name of the repositories in synaptic. Now I can only run Gnome in SafeMode, and it actually seems to have uninstalled synaptic. Any ideas?
[11:06] <i0n_st0rm> seven_six_two: one sec
[11:06] <dholbach> pere: what did it uninstall?
[11:07] <i0n_st0rm> http://www.pastebin.com/269221
[11:07] <daven> pere: you can sudo aptitude from the command-line instead of using synaptic
[11:07] <daven> pere: type /searchTerm to search
[11:07] <seven_six_two> use   U  to update
[11:07] <daven> pere: for instance /gcc
[11:07] <Rhymes> the warning msg is something like this http://rafb.net/paste/results/Yz2FnQ22.html
[11:07] <dholbach> pere: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop synaptic
[11:07] <i0n_st0rm> seven_six_two: you get that?
[11:07] <dholbach> pere: should give you gack at least SOME missing bits
[11:08] <seven_six_two> w8
[11:08] <pere> Thanks sholbach. It is downloading some stuff now...:-)=
[11:09] <dholbach> pere: *ROCK*
[11:09] <seven_six_two> i0n_st0rm, i see it, but I've never seen an "error" message like that
[11:09] <seven_six_two> is that when you try to run gedit?
[11:09] <dholbach> pere:   dpkg -l | grep ^ii   should give you a list of packages that are only "half-installed" (residual configuration, more likely) - so you at least have a list of SOME packages that went astray
[11:09] <i0n_st0rm> seven_six_two: neither have i ;)
[11:10] <dholbach> pere: but DUDE, you really have to look what packages are to be removed
[11:10] <pere> I also notice that it is still using XFree, not Xorg... is it generally safer to install Hoary from CD?
[11:10] <pere> dholbach...yes...:-)
[11:10] <Rhymes> haahahaha what a stupid :D i0n_st0rm, seven_six_two it worked. thanks
[11:10] <dholbach> pere: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[11:10] <FreezerX> How can I force unrar to use the p flag of mkdir to create parent directories if they do not exist
[11:11] <seven_six_two> reinstalling worked?
[11:11] <Rhymes> yes
[11:11] <seven_six_two> ah good
[11:11] <i0n_st0rm> guess it was the libglib
[11:11] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[11:11] <seven_six_two> i'll have to remember that
[11:11] <i0n_st0rm> hehe program gives a libglib error? reinstall the libglib!
[11:11] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[11:12] <i0n_st0rm> corrupted files are annoying
[11:12] <seven_six_two> i once stumbled upon a web board of people who were looking for midgets
[11:12] <i0n_st0rm> ...
[11:12] <MrNonchalant> I would think it wouldn't be very hard to find them
[11:13] <i0n_st0rm> if you watch jerry springer, it seems to be incredibly easy
[11:13] <Arnia> Midgets are easy to find... I have several midget friends
[11:13] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:13] <MrNonchalant> well, except that they're small and everything
[11:13] <seven_six_two> some to hire, some that thought that slavery is good when applied to little people
[11:13] <Arnia> Dwarves are harder...
[11:13] <MrNonchalant> gnomes made my desktop
[11:13] <i0n_st0rm> i'd love to meet a chick that has primordial dwarfism
[11:13] <MrNonchalant> or so it says, right here
[11:14] <seven_six_two> I wish I had a midget friend, a midget friend, a midget friend
[11:14] <i0n_st0rm> MrNonchalant: even left their footprint?
[11:14] <MrNonchalant> how did you know?!
[11:14] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:14] <MrNonchalant> this is so all ending up on bash
[11:14] <i0n_st0rm> seems the same ones made mine
[11:14] <i0n_st0rm> those gnomes are spiffy.. they somehow make it fresh every time i install.. and they do it fast!
[11:15] <thoreauputic> it appears gnomes have only 4 toes...
[11:15] <thoreauputic> on each foot...
[11:15] <MrNonchalant> rofl
[11:15] <_4strO> something change about depsitories ?
[11:15] <_4strO> yop yop 66
[11:15] <_4strO> ^^
[11:15] <Arnia> I like to stake my gnomes out on the fence
[11:15] <i0n_st0rm> indeed it does.. how interesting
[11:15] <i0n_st0rm> oh how cruel!
[11:15] <seven_six_two> if you only have 4 fingers, it's harder to be rude to people
[11:16] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:16] <i0n_st0rm> unless you're british
[11:16] <i0n_st0rm> brittish..
[11:16] <seven_six_two> hahaha
[11:16] <szymon> Hey
[11:16] <i0n_st0rm> blah i'm tired and can't spell
[11:16] <szymon> How to open a direstory ass root ?
[11:16] <i0n_st0rm> umm..
[11:17] <seven_six_two> szymon,
[11:17] <_4strO> szymon> sudo nautilus /home/...
[11:17] <seven_six_two> what do you mean?
[11:17] <szymon> Thanks :D
[11:18] <cuiqin> ?
[11:18] <MrNonchalant> now is it the case that the people in gray are away?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> must be amputee gnomes - I see only left footprints
[11:18] <MrNonchalant> slash idle
[11:18] <seven_six_two> _4strO, will nautilus keep root permissions indefinitely? or as long as sudo is active?
[11:19] <MrNonchalant> as long as sudo is active
[11:19] <i0n_st0rm> i understand that people that don't speak english as a first language make mistakes.. but has anyone else noticed their apparent universal knack for always misspelling "as" as "ass" and the like? no offense to any non-native english speakers
[11:19] <_4strO> seven_six_two> if u kill the console, nautilus will be killed
[11:19] <seven_six_two> unless they're tricking you
[11:19] <Arnia> thoreauputic: I only amputated some of them... :p
[11:19] <seven_six_two> i c. i thought sudo had a time limit though
[11:19] <thenuke> what's that expert-install good for?
[11:19] <MrNonchalant> burglarized is so a word
[11:19] <i0n_st0rm> sudo does
[11:20] <_4strO> i0n_st0rm> :p
[11:20] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:20] <toresbe> has anoyone had problems with xv and fglrx_
[11:20] <toresbe> ?*
[11:20] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, actually, the far more common one among Asian esl people is missing a plural
[11:20] <toresbe> It suddenly stopped working for me
[11:20] <_4strO> toresbe> many pb :p
[11:20] <i0n_st0rm> esl?
[11:20] <i0n_st0rm> ah
[11:20] <_4strO> not as I
[11:20] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, english as a second language
[11:20] <i0n_st0rm> nevermind :) a blit slow on the uptake
[11:20] <StyxAlso> I'm trying to get a LinkSys WPC54GS card to work using ndiswrapper, but I can't set the SSID. Anyone have any ideas?
[11:20] <Arnia> Burgundavia: Basic Variety doesn't normally gain proper inflection
[11:20] <i0n_st0rm> bit*
[11:21] <blizah> question why does xmms freeze up when playing mp3s files unless you change the output from oss or alsa to esd?
[11:21] <i0n_st0rm> Burgundavia: took me a moment to figure it out :)
[11:21] <StyxAlso> I've tried using iwconfig wlan0 essid to set it, and I've tried editing the config file under /etc/ndiswrapper
[11:21] <blizah> cause im having troubles getting my cs 1.6 through cedega to have sound
[11:21] <szymon> how can i open a dircestory usr/share/fonts/custom as root ?
[11:21] <blizah> and it uses alsa or oss
[11:22] <seven_six_two> blizah, are oss and alsa turned on in kernel?
[11:22] <_4strO> I need ubuntu hoary sourcelist plz
[11:22] <i0n_st0rm> szymon: you wanting to open it in nautalis or in terminal?
[11:22] <blizah> seven_six_two how do i check?
[11:22] <seven_six_two> dunno
[11:22] <MrNonchalant> so I wonder how update-notify will work, and let me tell you am I excited
[11:22] <blizah> hehe
[11:22] <szymon> in nautilius
[11:22] <szymon> i want to put there some fonts
[11:22] <seven_six_two> there was a discussion about it in another channel
[11:22] <blizah> i think hoary uses alsa doesnt it?
[11:23] <Arnia> szymon: fonts:/// just drag them or links to them into there
[11:23] <_4strO> szymon> sudo nautilus usr/share/fonts/custom
[11:23] <linuxboy> MrNonchalant: you upgrading to hoary?
[11:23] <seven_six_two> no clue. it's using esd for me
[11:23] <seven_six_two> i usually use alsa
[11:23] <Arnia> Instant update in Gnome apps
[11:23] <MrNonchalant> linuxboy, already upgraded
[11:23] <seven_six_two> but it works, so hey...
[11:23] <linuxboy> MrNonchalant: aaah, i also have
[11:23] <MrNonchalant> hasn't done anything yet, though
[11:23] <blizah> if you play an mp3 through xmms with output set to alsa does it work?
[11:23] <blizah> my xmms freezes
[11:23] <akito> quick question during install it never asked me to change root passwd? anyway of going back and fixing that?
[11:23] <MrNonchalant> I like what I see so far, though
[11:23] <seven_six_two> i didn't install xmms
[11:24] <Burgundavia> akito, you have no root password by default. Ubuntu uses sudo
[11:24] <blizah> ah
[11:24] <MrNonchalant> especially the moon icon on the weather applet
[11:24] <blizah> well anything for that matter?
[11:24] <seven_six_two> only rhythmbox for now, cuz i'm switching soon
[11:24] <akito> hmm..
[11:24] <akito> su - doesnt seem to work
[11:25] <i0n_st0rm> szmon: open a root terminal and type: nautilus /usr/share/fonts/custom
[11:25] <linuxboy> akito: sudo su
[11:25] <akito> i see .. thansk now i can do some reading
[11:25] <i0n_st0rm> that *should* keep the nautilus session as root indefinitely
[11:25] <i0n_st0rm> i think..
[11:25] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:25] <akito> since there is no browser on install :|
[11:26] <Neil3> hey folks i'm having a strange issue with firefox - when i go to import my old bookmarks.html file, the buttons in the dialog box it gives me have no text in them and i can't proceed
[11:26] <Myrtti> nautilus session as root?
[11:26] <Myrtti> *rrrrtghhhhh*
[11:26] <thoreauputic> akito: errm - firefox is installed by default
[11:26] <thoreauputic> oh he left
[11:26] <Daehlie> is there anyway to make gtk themes be used by gtk applications in kubuntu?
[11:26] <seven_six_two> i think it does
[11:26] <i0n_st0rm> akito: try sudo su
[11:27] <sataere> Hey everone, is 60 C hot for a cpu?
[11:27] <Myrtti> famous bad idea #2
[11:27] <i0n_st0rm> then again, i'm behind, since linuxboy beat me to it ages ago
[11:27] <szymon> when i try to put there font, i got an error: Dont have premission ( i have polish ubuntu i dont know how it is in english :P )
[11:27] <seven_six_two> Daehlie, maybe try in #kubuntu
[11:27] <kakalto> could someone tell me how to get japanese input working under kde?
[11:27] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: he did the old leave-before-you-find-out trick
[11:27] <linuxboy> i0n_st0rm: :)
[11:27] <Burgundavia> kakalto, have you tried #kubuntu?
[11:27] <i0n_st0rm> ah
[11:28] <i0n_st0rm> don't you love when they do that?
[11:28] <kakalto> Burgundavia, #kubuntu is as useful as a car with no brakes
[11:28] <i0n_st0rm> why would you want gtk themes in kde?
[11:28] <Burgundavia> kakalto, hmm
[11:28] <Neil3> i have a screenshot of what's going on here: http://neil.demolish.nu/firefox.png
[11:28] <Burgundavia> kakalto, why do you say that?
[11:28] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: especially when the answer was several lines, or involved finding a link, yeah
[11:28] <theine> Does Hoary support Reiser4 out of the box?
[11:29] <kakalto> Burgundavia, there's no people in there knowing about japanese input
[11:29] <i0n_st0rm> thoreauputic: hehe.. i generally will sit and wait 10 or so minutes, and ask again after a few minutes or so just in case
[11:29] <kakalto> it's less active
[11:29] <Burgundavia> kakalto, hmm
[11:29] <kakalto> half the people don't know much in there
[11:29] <Burgundavia> kakalto, is there a #kde ?
[11:29] <kakalto> Burgundavia, as useful as #kubuntu
[11:29] <kakalto> "GO AWAY TO #UBUNTU FOR HELP."
[11:29] <Burgundavia> kakalto, we generally are a bunch of gnome geeks around here
[11:29] <kakalto> :(
[11:30] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: I once got an naswer in the fluxbox channel after waiting an hour without repeating :)
[11:30] <Burgundavia> kakalto, that is not a very friendly and welcoming environment
[11:30] <thoreauputic> *an answer
[11:30] <kakalto> thoreauputic, you obviously have patience.
[11:30] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:30] <i0n_st0rm> that's crazy
[11:30] <kakalto> Burgundavia, do you know of a debian distro with kde as default?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> kakalto: well, I was in other channels doing other stuff, so...
[11:31] <Neil3> knoppix
[11:31] <Burgundavia> kakalto, mepis
[11:31] <Funraiser> kakalto, kubuntu
[11:31] <sataere> i0n_st0rm, any idea if 60 degrees celsius is hot for my cpu?
[11:31] <Burgundavia> kakalto, they are apparently quite user friendly
[11:31] <i0n_st0rm> kakalto: MDK, RH, SuSE, Kubuntu..
[11:31] <kakalto> Funraiser, I want help on kubuntu, and #kubuntu is useless
[11:31] <Cheetahfoot> just did an upgrade to hoary ... why is gnome still ver 2.8?
[11:31] <kakalto> i0n_st0rm, RH, SuSe are RPM
[11:31] <kakalto> not DEB
[11:31] <Funraiser> kakalto, oh
[11:31] <Burgundavia> kakalto, #mepis exists
[11:31] <Funraiser> sorry
[11:31] <i0n_st0rm> kakalto: never said they weren't
[11:32] <kakalto> i0n_st0rm, I asked for DEBIAN
[11:32] <i0n_st0rm> then again, i'm tired and didn't read well
[11:32] <kakalto> Burgundavia, thanks
[11:32] <i0n_st0rm> ;)
[11:32] <kakalto> i0n_st0rm, s'alright
[11:32] <Burgundavia> kakalto, np
[11:32] <theine> Cheetah: Either it isn't 2.8 or you didn't upgrade properly
[11:32] <i0n_st0rm> knoppix is indeed a kde debian
[11:32] <i0n_st0rm> i rather enjoy it, too
[11:33] <i0n_st0rm> it's nice for emergency fixes
[11:33] <Burgundavia> knoppix is very nice for ex-windows admins (and current ones0
[11:33] <Fator_Dee> Cheetahfoot: did you log in/log out or reboot?
[11:33] <i0n_st0rm> had a friend who had memory go bad, then ide controllers..
[11:33] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: mandrake is now called mandriva I believe
[11:33] <Cheetahfoot> theine: will i modified sources.list to say 'hoary'; then did sudo apt-get update, and then sudo apt-get upgrade ...
[11:33] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, indeed
[11:33] <i0n_st0rm> their system stopped reading an entire partition in windows
[11:33] <i0n_st0rm> knoppix saw it and accessed it perfectly
[11:33] <MrNonchalant> Cheetahfoot, reboot
[11:34] <theine> Cheetah: try 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[11:34] <Arnia> Should I go to Windsor today?
[11:34] <MrNonchalant> if you haven't already
[11:34] <i0n_st0rm> thoreauputic: *boggle*
[11:34] <Cheetahfoot> theine: k. i'll try it. thx.
[11:34] <Burgundavia> MrNonchalant, why do they need to reboot?
[11:34] <daven> Arnia: i bet it'll be packed :)
[11:34] <MrNonchalant> I don't know, I had to
[11:34] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: hehe - mandrakke+connectiva = mandriva
[11:34] <Arnia> daven: Probably... but its just down the roads
[11:34] <i0n_st0rm> what's a connectiva?
[11:34] <daven> Arnia: apparently people all got a day off work for prince charles's last wedding ;-)
[11:34] <Arnia> -s
[11:34] <seven_six_two> silly name, but mandrake is still available on the site
[11:34] <Cheetahfoot> theine: yeah, i think that's going to be it ... thx!
[11:35] <MrNonchalant> daven, damn those brits
[11:35] <theine> Cheetahfoot: you're welcome
[11:35] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: brazilian distro I believe
[11:35] <i0n_st0rm> Cheetahfoot: hit CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[11:35] <daven> MrNonchalant, Arnia: not second time around, though ;-) bad luck us!
[11:35] <i0n_st0rm> thoreauputic: i see
[11:35] <theine> Cheetahfoot: ever tried synaptic?
[11:35] <Cheetahfoot> ctrl+alt+backspace ... k ...
[11:35] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: now merged with mandrake, hence name change
[11:35] <Arnia> Bus to Slough then the train to Windsor...
[11:35] <i0n_st0rm> interesting
[11:35] <Cheetahfoot> theine: um ... no ... that's the gnome updater, right?
[11:35] <i0n_st0rm> i tried mdk a time or two
[11:36] <i0n_st0rm> didn't care much for it
[11:36] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, to split hairs, mandrake purchased connective
[11:36] <daven> Arnia: bus to slough has got to put you off ;-)
[11:36] <Arnia> Get off and Windsor and Eton Central and step out opposite the castle
[11:36] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: well, OK :)
[11:36] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:36] <i0n_st0rm> well it's what cheetahfoot needs to do
[11:36] <i0n_st0rm> not you
[11:36] <theine> Cheetahfoot: no it's a front-end to apt, it's in under System -> Administration
[11:36] <Arnia> daven: Living five miles from slough during holidays really puts me off
[11:36] <i0n_st0rm> silly nonchalant
[11:36] <daven> Arnia: hehe
[11:36] <MrNonchalant> :D
[11:36] <Arnia> daven: makes me hanker for Durham again
[11:36] <theine> Cheetahfoot: check it out, it's really neat
[11:36] <Fator_Dee> MrNonchalant: don't do everything they say ;-)
[11:37] <i0n_st0rm> Cheetahfoot: ctrl+alt+backspace.. hit it :)
[11:37] <MrNonchalant> On imperialconflict.org they call me nonny
[11:37] <goonie> Can anyone point me to a guide, how-to or a forum that has info on upgrading from warty to hoary ?
[11:37] <Burgundavia> CheeseBall, ctrl-alt-bksp will restart your x server, so you will lose anything you are currently working on
[11:37] <Cheetahfoot> will do. right now... i0n_st0rm: now? i'm doing the dist-upgrade now ...
[11:37] <hackeron> bah, no sshd on the livecd??
[11:37] <i0n_st0rm> cheeseball?
[11:37] <Burgundavia> Cheetahfoot, , ctrl-alt-bksp will restart your x server, so you will lose anything you are currently working on
[11:37] <Burgundavia> err
[11:37] <Arnia> The Chilterns are beautiful... but don't make up for Slough, Aylesbury, Reading, High Wycombe, Watford, Luton, Oxford and Milton Keynes
[11:37] <i0n_st0rm> Cheetahfoot: err then no
[11:37] <Burgundavia> tab completion
[11:37] <MrNonchalant> www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/
[11:37] <i0n_st0rm> don't do it now
[11:37] <theine> i0n_st0rm: no, that's not what he needs to do...
[11:37] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:37] <MrNonchalant> scroll down
[11:38] <daven> Arnia: i bet!
[11:38] <MrNonchalant> goonie, www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/
[11:38] <Fator_Dee> theine: but he said he's dist-upgrading now
[11:38] <MrNonchalant> at the bottom
[11:38] <Arnia> daven: Where abouts are you?
[11:38] <i0n_st0rm> theine: he said he updated and his gnome is still the old version.. he needs to restart it after he's done
[11:38] <i0n_st0rm> but not until he's done
[11:38] <daven> Arnia: so'ton
[11:38] <i0n_st0rm> doing it now would be bad
[11:38] <goonie> MrNonchalant, thx :)
[11:38] <Cheetahfoot> okay ... i'm waiting ...
[11:39] <Burgundavia> thoggen is pretty nice, but very very very slooooow
[11:39] <i0n_st0rm> because trust me.. interrupting an upgrade is annoying
[11:39] <theine> i0n_st0rm: sure, at some point he needs to restart gdm, but real problem was that he didn't dist-upgrade
[11:39] <Fator_Dee> could bad memory be a reason why my X hangs suddenly hogging up the resources?
[11:39] <i0n_st0rm> theine: i thought he said he had already done it :) my bad
[11:40] <i0n_st0rm> i can't believe MrNonchalant actually did it..
[11:40] <Arnia> daven: Ah... know So'ton. Have some friends who used to live in Swaythling
[11:40] <theine> i0n_st0rm: In any case, I would rather recommend logging in and out of gnome instead of CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE...
[11:40] <i0n_st0rm> that's like the old days of telling people that the way to unlock the 128bit graphics in mirc was to hit alt+f+x
[11:40] <Arnia> Used to visit them a fair bit... only an hour or so by train from here
[11:41] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[11:41] <i0n_st0rm> won't do anything in x-chat
[11:41] <MrNonchalant> bah, doesn't so anything here
[11:41] <i0n_st0rm> we used to do that all the time back in the day
[11:41] <thenuke> Just installed hoary and got this on the first boot /sbin/init: 426: cannot create /dev/null : Read-only file system .. kernel panic..
[11:41] <i0n_st0rm> tell people "unlock your mIRC 128 bit graphics! hit alt+f+x!"
[11:41] <Burgundavia> I remember ping of death on my old 95 box
[11:42] <i0n_st0rm> see how many people dropped
[11:42] <thoreauputic> MrNonchalant: heh - watch it - a truly destructive command is probably coming your way any minute ;)
[11:42] <MrNonchalant> I know, I know
[11:42] <i0n_st0rm> truly destructive..
[11:42] <i0n_st0rm> hmmm
[11:42] <i0n_st0rm> how destructive can i get
[11:42] <Burgundavia> MrNonchalant, alt-f4 is a good keyboard shortcut to know
[11:42] <thoreauputic> i0n_st0rm: don't go there...
[11:42] <MrNonchalant> I love the old quotes about rm C:\*.*
[11:42] <i0n_st0rm> Burgundavia: everyone knows that one, though
[11:42] <daven> Arnia: used to live in swaythling as a student
[11:42] <i0n_st0rm> my favorite email tag from 8 or so years ago was..
[11:43] <i0n_st0rm> "Daddy.. what does Formatting drive C: mean?"
[11:43] <superfrog> Anyone knowns
[11:43] <Arnia> daven: yeah, they were students. Live in the New Forest now
[11:43] <Burgundavia> superfrog, what do you need help with?
[11:43] <superfrog> Anyone known how I can share a folder or a partition between a set of users ?
[11:43] <GoneBoB> superfrog: you can use NFS
[11:44] <Burgundavia> superfrog, on the same machine?
[11:44] <daven> arnia: weird - i live on the edge of the NF
[11:44] <superfrog> I have added a new SATA disk and created some ext3 partitions I need to share
[11:44] <yojimbo-san> superfrog: users on the same machine, or on different ones?
[11:44] <i0n_st0rm> i dislike ext3
[11:44] <i0n_st0rm> too slow
[11:44] <superfrog> same machine
[11:44] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, but stable
[11:44] <Arnia> daven: heh
[11:44] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, and tested
[11:44] <lucychili> change the ownership of the folder to a group they are both members of ?
[11:45] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, I have my OS as a hobby, not my FS
[11:45] <i0n_st0rm> reiserfs is stable and tested and much faster
[11:45] <i0n_st0rm> JFS is ancient and faster than reiserfs in many cases
[11:45] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, the probably with that, is then why are distros switching?
[11:45] <superfrog> I can add my users to a common group, but it's not enough, only the owner can have write access to the written files
[11:45] <i0n_st0rm> Burgundavia: bandwagons don't mean better ;)
[11:46] <superfrog> I have folder sharing working ok with FAT32 as its mounted with umask=000
[11:46] <yojimbo-san> superfrog: sticky bit on the group - forces all files to the correct group ownership & perms
[11:46] <superfrog> it's ok, but I can't do that with ext3
[11:46] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, I think that if something was truly better, distros would have switched
[11:46] <theine> What's going to be the purpose of the hoary-updates repository? Will there be new versions of some software packages as opposed to just security fixes in the hoary repository?
[11:46] <blizah> where is the gnome control center?
[11:46] <Burgundavia> blizah, isn't a centralized one
[11:46] <MrNonchalant> is there any way to view ntfs partitions in linux? I know you can do that with the live cds, but not sure about installed
[11:46] <i0n_st0rm> Burgundavia: most of them use ext3 by default because it's been default for so long and they are afraid to change :-p
[11:47] <Fator_Dee> Arnia: if your system can handle them, the full resolution ones, mine didn't :-)
[11:47] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, The enterprise class ones yes, but the desktop distros?
[11:47] <theine> blizah: that corresponds to System -> Preferences
[11:47] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm, it may have something to with ol' Hans attitude
[11:47] <i0n_st0rm> Burgundavia: many of the desktop distros are made by the same people
[11:47] <superfrog> yojimbo-san : if i sticky bit the folder, can all the group owner read/write on all files in the directory ?
[11:48] <Rhymes> gosh, it started crashing again. let's reinstall :(
[11:48] <i0n_st0rm> ..
[11:48] <binskipy2k5> ok spent 3 hours reading forums bout my soundcard and found out after that time, i should ve hit the letter M while in alsa mixer to unmute
[11:48] <i0n_st0rm> Rhymes: again?
[11:48] <Arnia> Fator_Dee: I'm bored so I'm seeing what my university friends' roads look like out of amusement. Its fun to zoom in and out of the country
[11:48] <theine> blizah: to convince yourself, just execute gnome-control-center in a terminal...
[11:48] <Rhymes> i0n_st0rm: yup
[11:48] <blizah> k tnx
[11:48] <blizah> yea thats what i did
[11:48] <yojimbo-san> superfrog: I thought so, but the chmod man page contradicts me - it may not be the case any more
[11:48] <HiddenWolf> Burgundavia, i0n_st0rm is there actually a noticable performance difference between FS's?
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> MrNonchalant: yes you can, I think theres a guide on ubuntulinuxguide
[11:48] <i0n_st0rm> ewww
[11:48] <MrNonchalant> k
[11:48] <i0n_st0rm> HiddenWolf: yes
[11:49] <i0n_st0rm> though it really depends on what you do, and if you're looking for it
[11:49] <hackeron> binskipy2k5: wow, took you 3 hours?
[11:49] <Burgundavia> HiddenWolf, I have never used reiserfs. I am very conservative that way
[11:49] <binskipy2k5> yeah hack, i'm kinda new, but not so new
[11:49] <Burgundavia> HiddenWolf, I figure that there is probably a compelling reason that most distros haven't switched
[11:49] <binskipy2k5> and ubuntu 4.10 worked perfectly
[11:49] <binskipy2k5> this one needed some tweaking
[11:49] <binskipy2k5> lol
[11:49] <i0n_st0rm> HiddenWolf: The odd part is that ext3 is slower than ext2 in most cases..
[11:49] <HiddenWolf> Burgundavia, try backwards compatibility
[11:49] <binskipy2k5> if i wouoldve read more thourougly
[11:49] <thoreauputic_> interesting... top says I have 113 processes, gkrellm says 143 :/
[11:50] <dholbach> see you later
[11:50] <HiddenWolf> i0n_st0rm, any site with decent benches to back it up?
[11:50] <Arnia> Does anyone else think that OS maps are beautiful?
[11:50] <binskipy2k5> i wouldve fixed it the first 10min i read the forum
[11:50] <binskipy2k5> lol
[11:50] <Burgundavia> Arnia, os maps?
[11:50] <i0n_st0rm> HiddenWold: let me find it.. a guy did some insane real world tests rather than trusting bench marking toold
[11:50] <seven_six_two> Burgundavia, i used reiserfs and liked it a lot. i only has problems when i would cat many files into a huge one
[11:50] <i0n_st0rm> tools*
[11:50] <Arnia> Burgundavia: Ordinance Survey
[11:50] <Rhymes> gosh, didn't worked :(
[11:50] <Burgundavia> Arnia, the amazingly detailed British ones?
[11:51] <Arnia> Burgundavia: Yeah
[11:51] <Daehlie> mine says 78 tasks in top, and 95 in gkrellm
[11:51] <seven_six_two> thoreauputic, top may be hiding system procs
[11:51] <daven> Arnia, Burgundavia: i've never seen anything amazingly detailed...!
[11:51] <Burgundavia> Arnia, I have never seen one, but heard many descriptions
[11:51] <thoreauputic_> seven_six_two: ah I see
[11:51] <Arnia> I'm browsing multimap with the OS overlay
[11:51] <WeirdAl> When I lauch dosbx is says ALSA:can't open sequencer because of "no such file or directory" on /dev/snd/seq/seq_hw.c
[11:51] <daven> Arnia: ah yeah, that's cool.  can't quite see what car was on my drive that day, tho ;-)
[11:51] <seven_six_two> does init show in top?
[11:52] <Arnia> www.mutimap.com
[11:52] <daven> www.multimap.com ;-)
[11:52] <thoreauputic_> seven_six_two: yes, it does...
[11:52] <goonie> what is the best tool for VPN-ing into a windows network?
[11:52] <Sauron21> I was if any could me of a program that could mount iso files by right clicking and then some kind of "mount" option....?
[11:52] <Arnia> daven: Heh... free OS maps and searching with an aerial photo feature. What more could you want? ;)
[11:52] <WeirdAl> sorry, tell a lie
[11:53] <WeirdAl> it was seq_hw.c that threw the error
[11:53] <WeirdAl> it's just /dev/snd/seq that doesn't exist.
[11:53] <WeirdAl> How do I make it exist?
[11:53] <multifasciatus> Hi
[11:53] <WeirdAl> lo
[11:53] <Daehlie> i am not sure how to mount an image file in linux, i am curious about that too
[11:53] <Frafra> hi all
[11:54] <bmoi> Daehlie, you need to mount it as a loopback device
[11:54] <Frafra> i use ubuntu-5.04-amd64
[11:54] <borch> hi
[11:54] <multifasciatus> If i set up some partitions during install willt hey automatically be mounted at each boot?
[11:54] <Burgundavia> Frafra, salut
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> Daehlie: I have a nice script for it, if you want I can send it to you?
[11:54] <Frafra> what i must do for install flash and the plugin for firefox?
[11:54] <bmoi> mount -o loop -t iso9660 -r /path/.iso /moun/point
[11:54] <Burgundavia> multifasciatus, if you set the mount points for them, yes
[11:54] <thoreauputic_> multifasciatus: not in ubuntu, no - you would need to edit /etc/fstab for that
[11:54] <theine> Daehlie: mount -o loop -t iso9660 <ISOFILE> <WHERE_TO_MOUNT>
[11:55] <drspin> hey all
[11:55] <Daehlie> theine: google just found it as well, thanks thought
[11:55] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: other OS partitions are not automaounted afaik
[11:55] <multifasciatus> how do i edit fstab? I have created some partitions using gparted but cannot set them up. That`s why i want to start over
[11:55] <theine> blizah: you might need to use sudo
[11:56] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, yes, but he mentioned setting up partitions during install
[11:56] <blizah> i got it working tnx theine :D
[11:56] <thoreauputic_> multifasciatus: use you favourite editor with the sudo command?
[11:56] <thoreauputic_> multifasciatus: eg sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[11:56] <multifasciatus> thor: But i don` t know what to write to fstab
[11:57] <Daehlie> multifasciatus: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[11:57] <drspin> $dmesg|grep apm
[11:57] <drspin> apm: BIOS not found.
[11:57] <drspin> I definitely have APM
[11:57] <thoreauputic_> multifasciatus: usually changing the noauto to auto does what you want
[11:58] <barney> multi: perhaps start with a "sudo fdisk -l" command, to tell you what disks you have.
[11:58] <drspin> Anyone know what the deal is... it's new since I switched to Hoary....
[11:58] <Frafra> who can help me?
[11:58] <drspin> Frafra: What do you need?
[11:58] <theine> drspin: you didn't get that under Warty?
[11:59] <drspin> theine: nope
[11:59] <Frafra> drspin, i must install flash
[11:59] <drspin> theine: or SuSE -- or Gentoo
[11:59] <Frafra> and the plugin for firefox
[11:59] <theine> drspin: did you do a fresh hoary install or upgraded from warty?
[11:59] <thoreauputic_> Frafra:  www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:59] <drspin> Frafra: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[11:59] <Frafra> thoreauputic, i use a amd64
[12:00] <thoreauputic_> Frafra: there's a howto there for flash and a lot of other stuff
[12:00] <Frafra> i can't use marillat
[12:00] <thoreauputic_> Frafra: ah I see
[12:00] <theine> drspin: i'm just curious since APM works for me without any problems under Hoary...
[12:00] <Frafra> there aren't package for amd64
[12:00] <drspin> Frafra: bummer... not sure what to tell you...
[12:00] <i0n_st0rm> i'm having trouble finding the exact site of where the guy did those benchmarks.. i reinstalled yesterday and lost my bookmarks :(
[12:00] <Burgundavia> Frafra, for somethings are there
[12:00] <drspin> theine: hmmm lemme read some more *sigh*
[12:00] <Burgundavia> Frafra, for amd64 remove all maraillat but the unstable one
[12:00] <multifasciatus> Can i please see one of you in a private chat?
[12:00] <Frafra> ok
[12:01] <Frafra> thanks
[12:01] <i0n_st0rm> i'm still looking, though
[12:01] <Kdo_Vasco> Who is italian?
[12:01] <barney> I've been failing to get any resolution > 640x480.
[12:01] <EddieX> I did an "server" installation of Ubuntu to get a small system. But when i have fetched lets say blackbox, + xorg etc.. i cant find startx ?
[12:02] <EddieX> Is there some metapkgs maybe?
[12:02] <thoreauputic_> multifasciatus: if you want us to look at your /etc/fstab, paste it on pastebin.com and give us a link
[12:02] <Sauron21> I found a "right-click to mount" program......   http://www.jinjiru.ru/index/mountiso
[12:02] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, don't worry, the burg is dishing out one on one love
[12:02] <theine> drspin: you might want to add '# kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro apm=on acpi=off noapic nolapic' to /boot/grub/menu.lst and the run 'sude update-grub'...
[12:02] <kakalto> how do I make a script that runs a program, to put in an autorun directory?
[12:02] <thoreauputic_> EddieX: x-window-system I think
[12:03] <yojimbo-san> goonie: OpenVPN every time :-)
[12:03] <EddieX> thoreauputic, Ok. will try that :) Thanks
[12:03] <theine> drspin: of course you need to modify that if you have a different root partition...
[12:03] <blizah> is there anyway to get esound and alsa working together?
[12:03] <seven_six_two> kakalto, put it in /etc/rc.#/
[12:03] <drspin> theine: which would be better?? apm or acpi?? shoudln't they both work quite well with one another?
[12:03] <kakalto> seven_six_two, but what do I put in the script?
[12:03] <i0n_st0rm> ah!
[12:03] <i0n_st0rm> http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html
[12:03] <i0n_st0rm> :)
[12:03] <Arnia> Wow... http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/freefun/
[12:03] <i0n_st0rm> i knew i would find it
[12:03] <seven_six_two> what do you want in it?
[12:04] <kakalto> I want it to automatically run a certain program
[12:04] <barney> kakalto: it needs two lines, the first is #! /bin/sh, the second is the name of your program.
[12:04] <barney> (or name and path)
[12:04] <kakalto> thanks
[12:04] <envel> Hi
[12:04] <theine> drspin: I think APM has a far greater success story under Linux...
[12:04] <barney> you also need to make the file executable - chmod +x script
[12:04] <drspin> hmmm
[12:04] <barney> or right-click on it and change properties.
[12:05] <envel> How to upgrade ubuntu 4.03 to 5.04 through internet?
[12:05] <drspin> Since I upgraded to Hoary My screen lags a lot -- even when nothing is really runnig in the background... could the probs be related?
[12:05] <theine> drspin: I use it since ACPI suspend consumes a lot more memory on my laptop than APM suspend
[12:05] <Kamping_kaiser> its 4.10
[12:05] <Kamping_kaiser> i thougth
[12:05] <blizah> problem is i think in hoary esd and alsa conflict
[12:05] <drspin> theine: I don't use suspend -- never had good luck with stability... never tried it on linux either...
[12:05] <Kamping_kaiser> envel. change your sources list to hoary instead of warty
[12:05] <Kamping_kaiser> hten go apt-get update
[12:05] <Frafra> flashplayer-mozilla doesn't exist in marillat for amd64
[12:06] <theine> drspin: are you using a laptop?
[12:06] <blizah> aka some xmms freezes when its using alsa untill you either disable esd or use esd
[12:06] <Kamping_kaiser> then apt=get dist-upgrade
[12:06] <envel> Kamping_kaiser, and that's all?
[12:06] <drspin> theine: no it's a desktop --
[12:06] <kakalto> barney, so exactly where do I put this script?
[12:06] <theine> drspin: oh, i see...
[12:06] <Kamping_kaiser> apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:06] <kakalto> .kde/Autostart  ?
[12:06] <drspin> theine: I think I was referring to sleep
[12:06] <Kamping_kaiser> envel. hten wait for an entire os to download ;)
[12:06] <Frafra> what i must do for install flash plugin on a amd64?
[12:06] <theine> drspin: me too
[12:06] <kakalto> *  ~/.kde/Autostart  ?
[12:06] <jnoon> if i have been on hoary for a while, now that the final release has come out, do i have to do anything?  or am i automatically on the final release?
[12:06] <Kamping_kaiser> then install and thats it
[12:06] <daven> Arnia: :)
[12:06] <theine> drspin: i.e. suspend-to-ram
[12:07] <drspin> theine: LOL -- yeah :)
[12:07] <Kamping_kaiser> envel make sure your not using a gui when you do the update
[12:07] <kakalto> barney, where do I put it so that it runs on startup?
[12:07] <drspin> how can I mess with power settings on this thing anyway?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> Kamping_kaiser: that's not necessary - it will work fine in a GUI
[12:07] <envel> Kamping_kaiser, hmm it works! thanks!
[12:07] <theine> drspin: in any case, if ACPI is working for you fine then why bother about APM? One doesn't use both at the same time anyway...
[12:08] <Kamping_kaiser> thoreauputic. i and others had problems where x didnt work afterward
[12:08] <kakalto> barney???
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Kamping_kaiser: I suspect that's more a driver issue or somrhting
[12:08] <theine> drspin: if you use ACPI then APM will be automatically disabled at kernel level I think
[12:09] <Kamping_kaiser> ok thoreauputic.
[12:09] <Kamping_kaiser> thats cool ;)
[12:09] <mikl> ack, my firefox is unbelievably unstable :(
[12:10] <Kamping_kaiser> anyone know what happend to gmake in hoary?
[12:10] <Arnia> daven: This site is interesting to read http://abcounties.org.uk/
[12:10] <jesper> Kamping_kaiser: development tool are not install by default..
[12:10] <drspin> theine: honestly I'm not sure if it works...
[12:10] <Kamping_kaiser> i cant find it in synaptic at all
[12:11] <jesper> Kamping_kaiser: have you enable the other archives?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> Kamping_kaiser: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:11] <Burgundavia> Kamping_kaiser, I don't see it either
[12:11] <Kamping_kaiser> is it gmake or gnu make
[12:11] <Kamping_kaiser> ?
[12:11] <Kamping_kaiser> i ask because a mate couldent see it and niehter could it
[12:11] <thoreauputic> gmake is just "make" in linux
[12:11] <Kamping_kaiser> *i
[12:11] <theine> drspin: well, what would you expect from ACPI working?
[12:11] <Kamping_kaiser> thor. i have main,universe,restricted,multiverse
[12:12] <drspin> theine: of all the things I do know I never cared about Power Management really...
[12:12] <barney> kakalto? read your /etc/inittab file.
[12:12] <drspin> theine: I suppose now's a good time to learn...
[12:12] <thoreauputic> Kamping_kaiser: as i said,  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:12] <daven> Arnia: cheers -gtg now, will read later :)
[12:12] <theine> drspin: open up a terminal and go to /proc/acpi
[12:12] <jesper> Kamping_kaiser: and updated ?
[12:12] <drspin> it seems GAIM may be the culprit in my CPU spiking ever so often...
[12:13] <Arnia> daven: Bye :)
[12:13] <candyban> Hi guys
[12:13] <theine> drspin: look around in there and have a look at those files with 'cat <FILE>'
[12:13] <jesper> Kamping_kaiser: make is just called "make" here..
[12:13] <Kamping_kaiser> jesper. updated? i have an up to date system
[12:13] <drspin> or perhaps XORG
[12:13] <Kamping_kaiser> ok
[12:13] <HiddenWolf> drspin, don't be suprized
[12:13] <jesper> Kamping_kaiser: sudo apt-get update
[12:13] <theine> drspin: you might get a clue what's going on in this way
[12:13] <candyban> Is there an "easy" upgrade path from debian (sid) to ubuntu?
[12:13] <candyban> like just changing my sources
[12:13] <HiddenWolf> candyban, I wouldn't risk it, no
[12:13] <barney> kakalto: I think you want to put your script in /etc/rc2.d/
[12:13] <thoreauputic> candyban: no, not easy or recommended
[12:14] <topyli> candyban: no.
[12:14] <candyban> hmmz k ... glad I asked :)
[12:14] <kakalto> barney, thanks
[12:14] <candyban> So I need to reinstall (K)ubuntu?
[12:14] <topyli> yex
[12:14] <topyli> yes even :)
[12:14] <HiddenWolf> candyban, yup
[12:15] <barney> kakalto: look at the names of the other files in there - give your script an S & a number at the begining - the numbers determine the order things are run in.
[12:15] <candyban> hmmz :(
[12:15] <individ_> Grub installs itself in MBR by default if no other OS is detected during ubuntu 5.04 install process?
[12:15] <jesper> candyban: definately not recommended, but if you try, I'd like to hear about the results.
[12:15] <jesper> :-)
[12:15] <candyban> I installed this debian like 4 years ago ... I would hate to "kill" it (I'm a bit emotionally attached to it)
[12:16] <candyban> jesper: k
[12:16] <barney> any ideas why cups is silently dropping my print jobs on the floor? It's an epson stylus 66.
[12:16] <Burgundavia> candyban, a lot of ubuntu hoary is debian sid
[12:16] <HiddenWolf> candyban, whatever you do, installing ubuntu is going to make you forget debian.
[12:16] <candyban> HiddenWolf: How so?
[12:17] <HiddenWolf> Burgundavia, it's the improvements we're lyric about
[12:17] <HiddenWolf> candyban ^
[12:17] <Jiko> evening
[12:17] <drspin> How do I configure acpi??
[12:18] <i0n_st0rm> HiddenWolf: what did you think of the link?
[12:18] <Frafra> hi
[12:18] <HiddenWolf> candyban, for me, it's sid without crashes, with a *friendly non-rtfm* community and with support/polish
[12:18] <InitMass> does hoary use X.org by default? ps -e still show that XFree86 is running
[12:18] <Neil3> hey folks i'm having a strange issue with firefox - when i go to import my old bookmarks.html file, the buttons in the dialog box it gives me have no text in them and i can't proceed
[12:18] <HiddenWolf> i0n_st0rm, can you send it again?
[12:18] <kakalto> barney, all the other files in /etc/rc2.d/ are links