[00:00] <Mamarok> XKiLL3R: ask your question, if somebody is here who can help you will get an answer
[00:00] <XKiLL3R> Mamarok Ok Thx :)
[00:00] <XKiLL3R> -> I Can't Change Resolution or Refresh rate ...
[00:01] <Mamarok> XKiLL3R: you should give more precisions, like version, your graphic card, etc
[00:01] <XKiLL3R> KRAndRTry only have 800X600 and 61 refresh rate
[00:02] <XKiLL3R> Version : Kubuntu 8.10 , VGA = HD 2600 , Monitor , CRT: acer AC711
[00:02] <XKiLL3R> X64 Version
[00:02] <Mamarok> XKiLL3R: hm, did it work on the previous version?
[00:03] <XKiLL3R> this is first time to install kubuntu on this pc
[00:03] <XKiLL3R> just used ubuntu years ago @ old pc
[00:03] <XKiLL3R> Mamarok i am really confused
[00:04] <Mamarok> did it work on another Linux distro?
[00:04] <XKiLL3R> ubuntu and kubuntu gives same prob.
[00:04] <XKiLL3R> both r 8.10 ... both r x64
[00:05] <Mamarok> ok, which driver do you use?
[00:05] <Mamarok> the fglrx or the radeon?
[00:05] <XKiLL3R> Mamarok:  nw nothig cuze i have try to install 1 b4 , and every thing gone
[00:06] <XKiLL3R> after robot it gives me a blank screen
[00:06] <XKiLL3R> *restart
[00:06] <Mamarok> XKiLL3R: well, you still can login in recovery mode and check the drivers
[00:06] <XKiLL3R> wiz safe mode too
[00:06] <XKiLL3R> Mamarok: it would'nt worked last time
[00:06] <Mamarok> blank screen in recovery mode?
[00:06] <XKiLL3R> yea
[00:06] <XKiLL3R> both recovery and normal
[00:07] <XKiLL3R> nw i got a fresh boot install
[00:07] <XKiLL3R> so i dun wanna lose it :(
[00:07] <Mamarok> ouch, that sounds like a hardware problem, you mean it doesn't boot correctly?
[00:07] <Mamarok> recovery mode means no X server, just plain command line
[00:07] <XKiLL3R> everything goes gd till the kubuntu logo and the loading bar
[00:07] <slerder> HEy guys. Im tryring to reinstall ubuntu but for some reason I cant boot from my only dvd-drive i have which is USB. I even disabled booting from hard drives, set usb-cdrom to first boot device... went directly to the boot menu and selected usb-cdrom and nothing it simply wont boot. what can i do ? Thanks. Ps i have a gigabyte EP45-UD3R
[00:07] <XKiLL3R> after that blank screen
[00:08] <Mamarok> XKiLL3R: did you try booting with a live CD?
[00:08] <XKiLL3R> Mamarok:  yea it's only work in safe mode
[00:08] <slerder> mamarok ofcourse, i even tried a whole bunch of other boot cds and none work
[00:09] <Mamarok> slerder: sry, was talking to XKiLL3R :)
[00:09] <XKiLL3R> but nw it's ok i am in normal mode but wiz 800X600 and 61 refresh rate
[00:09] <Mamarok> XKiLL3R: that graphic card should work with a better resolution though, you should try changing the driver
[00:10] <XKiLL3R> Mamarok could u help me about that ?
[00:10] <XKiLL3R> command or something
[00:10] <XKiLL3R> cuze wiz 800X600 i can't install ati driver from hd cuze i can't click on buttons :S
[00:11] <Mamarok> XKiLL3R: you normally should be able to shift the screen with the mouse by click+drag
[00:11] <XKiLL3R> :D i know but it's too tall to drag
[00:11] <XKiLL3R> so i can't c :S
[00:12] <Mamarok> anyway, else you can reboot in recovery mode (normally the second option in your Grub menu)
[00:12] <XKiLL3R> without 1024X768
[00:12] <XKiLL3R> Mamarok:  then ...
[00:12] <Mamarok> and use the command line with network, so you can use sudo apt-get install to install the other driver
[00:13] <XKiLL3R> Mamarok: ok give me a command 4 installing latest ati driver from net
[00:14] <Mamarok> XKiLL3R: it depends on your repositories, you can check which driver with the command:
[00:14] <Mamarok> apt-cache search radeon (or fglrx)
[00:14] <Mamarok> it will show you the name of the package to install
[00:15] <XKiLL3R> apt-cache search radeon
[00:15] <Mamarok> XKiLL3R: I would love to help you more, but right now is a bad time, I will have to go now...
[00:15] <XKiLL3R> OMG
[00:15] <XKiLL3R> Mamarok: Ok ThX Alot M8
[00:15] <XKiLL3R> I will try to play wiz this
[00:16] <Mamarok> I'm sorry, try to check with somebody else, there are other people around usually
[00:16] <XKiLL3R> Mamarok: nvm k thx alot m8 :)
[00:16] <Mamarok> you are welcome :) sry again
[00:17] <XKiLL3R> nvm Thx alot :)
[00:33] <doug_f> any hints on dual monitors with kubuntu the kde control module doesnt seem to be working very well
[00:35] <doug_f> wow everyone must be getting off work.
[00:35] <XKiLL3R> yea
[00:36] <borderlight> im fairly new to linux and i was wondering how do you upgrade from kubuntu 7.04 to 8.10?
[00:39] <XKiLL3R> borderlight http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[00:40] <XKiLL3R> Ops i mean this : http://english.kalingasblog.com/2008/04/26/how-to-upgrade-kubuntu-710-to-kubuntu-804/
[00:43] <borderlight> thnxs guys
[00:49] <XKiLL3R> uw
[00:58] <Elone> !hi
[01:00] <GentooJohnny> ok I need someone to help me with a networking problem between two kubuntu pcs
[01:02] <GentooJohnny> I can ping both machines but nothing more. I need to get vnc/rdp/ssh up
[01:10] <basti> GentooJohnny, did you install sshd and so on?
[01:11] <GentooJohnny> sshd provides a shell nothing more yes?
[01:11] <triune> lol
[01:11] <triune> sorry, thats a bit funny :)
[01:12] <GentooJohnny> it was erm poorly worded
[01:12] <mot> what's the primary difference between nvidia-glx-180 and nvidia-180-kernel-source?
[01:12] <GentooJohnny> ssh provides a secure way to access a shell nothing more yes?
[01:12] <basti> it can do some more, but yes
[01:12] <triune> think sftp
[01:13] <triune> scp
[01:13] <GentooJohnny> I can't get ftp to connect
[01:13] <triune> sftp
[01:13] <mot> i was using nvidia-180-kernel-source and upgraded using avernard.com's third party repo to 180.41 from 180.11 and X wouldn't boot, told me the nvidia module didn't exist
[01:13] <mot> any suggestions?
[01:14] <mot> (i just installed nvidia-glx-180 but i'm not sure if that's the right thing to do either)
[01:14] <doug_f> What is the best way to configure dual monitors with a laptop in kubuntu the manager built in doesnt seem to do a very good job.
[01:14] <basti> GentooJohnny, providing error messages and describing a problem more in detail would help a lot
[01:14] <GentooJohnny> basti actually its a good thing I didn't, I have to go right now. thanks for the help bbl
[01:15] <mot> nobody knows the answer to my question?
[01:15] <doug_f> any hints on dual monitors with kubuntu the kde control module doesnt seem to be working very well
[01:20] <musical> hi folks
[01:22] <doug_f> What is the best way to configure dual monitors with a laptop in kubuntu the manager built in doesnt seem to do a very good job.
[01:22] <musical> this is the 2nd time a small black spot about 1/4 in in diamter has appeared in the upper right hand corner of my monitor. Whe I pass the mouse across it, it changes to a double arrow! I cannot move it, click on it....anyone has any ideas?
[01:25] <BluesKaj> musical, that usually where the add widgets icon is located , but it's supposed to open a list of choices when clicked
[01:26] <musical> yes, its close to the add widgets icon
[01:26] <doug_f> any ideas or just manual the xorg.conf file.
[01:28] <musical> the add widgets icon is there..this spot is close ti it
[01:28] <musical> Last time, when I logged off and on again, it disappeared.
[01:30] <henry_BR> I'm using Kubuntu and I'm trying to make PyOpenGL works... But a simple code already doesn't work! The code is here: http://rafb.net/p/XV30Os36.html . Anyone can help me? I have installed mesa... glut3.. freeglut... When code execute: "glutInitDisplayMode (GLUT_DOUBLE | GLUT_RGB | GLUT_DEPTH)" it say: SEGMENTATION FAULT...
[01:32] <musical> I logged of and on and its gone! Its very disconcerting...this time it happend when I was watching a movie
[01:32] <musical> juts befor that the screen blacked out briefly
[01:33] <musical> just before it happend
[01:37] <doug_f> What is the best way to configure dual monitors with a laptop in kubuntu the manager built in doesnt seem to do a very good job.
[01:37] <Gon> anyone had problems with NetworkManager plasmoid in jaunty?
[01:39] <doug_f> ah well time for me to go home too. see ya laterz guys.
[01:50]  * diabu hi
[01:50] <bitterchocs> hi diabu
[01:59] <rafael__> theres a woman here that want to talk with a brazilian guy?
[02:20] <borderlight> ive been trying to update kubuntu  7.04 to 8.10, but when i fetch updates from adept, i dont receive any notification telling me there is a version update. i know im running 7.04, could it be a problem with my repositories??
[02:22] <goofey> borderlight: I don;t know the answer, but I do know that ubuntu recommends updating only 1 version at a time (ie, only from 7.04 to 7.10 to 8.04 to 8.10 rather than 7.04 to 8.10 directly)
[02:24] <jaimico> buenas oches, quisiera saber quien me puede ayudar a instalar el driver atheros para wlan en kubuntu
[02:24] <borderlight> alright. is there a special repository needed to get version updates? if so how do i add it
[02:24] <Daskreech> jaimico: Hola
[02:25] <Daskreech> !es | jaimico
[02:25] <stepnem> !es
[02:25] <stepnem> Daskreech: :D
[02:25] <Daskreech> ;-)
[02:26] <Daskreech> !upgrade | borderlight
[02:26] <borderlight> thank you
[02:39] <katie> hello?
[02:40] <katie> is anyone here?
[02:40] <Sir-Gon> ?
[02:40] <katie> I've never used this before
[02:41] <stepnem> !hi
[02:41] <katie> Thanks! (:
[02:41]  * Daskreech waves
[02:41] <katie> hehe (:
[02:41] <katie> I have an apt-get question, anyone want to give it a shot?
[02:42] <stepnem> !ask | katie
[02:42] <Daskreech> noone knows until you ask it
[02:42] <katie> ah, okay
[02:43] <katie> I think I broke something by downloading something with synaptic...it uninstalled one of my programs (quanta), and now I can't install it again-- I get the message Depends: libxi6 (>= 2:1.1.3-1ubuntu1) but 2:1.1.3-1 is to be installed
[02:44] <katie> I googled that and found few hits, and can't uninstall libxi6-- it looks really important
[02:44] <katie> i tried -f, and build-dep
[02:45] <dpanario> hello
[02:45] <katie> hi (:
[02:46] <rosco_y> Is anyone using the onboard graphics capabilities of the MSI DKA790GX Platinum Motherboard?
[02:46] <rosco_y> hi dpanario
[02:46] <dpanario> hi rosco_y
[02:46] <rosco_y> what's up?
[02:46] <dpanario> i new in linux
[02:47] <Daskreech> katie: what does apt-get -f install say?
[02:47] <rosco_y> dpanario: Join the club--I'm a newbie too :)
[02:47] <jtisme> katie have you tried  apt-get --reinstall install quanta
[02:47] <dpanario> rosco_y:  your webcam works?
[02:47] <Daskreech> dpanario, rosco_y, katie: welcome to Kubuntu and linux :)
[02:48] <rosco_y> um...I haven't played with my webcam in Linux yet...
[02:48] <dpanario> hahah
[02:48] <Daskreech> !webcam | dpanario
[02:48] <katie>   quanta: Depends: libxi6 (>= 2:1.1.3-1ubuntu1) but 2:1.1.3-1 is to be installed
[02:48] <katie>           Depends: klinkstatus (= 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:48] <katie>           Depends: kommander (= 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:48] <rosco_y> I just upgraded my botherboard and CPU, now I'm trying to get everything working the way it was :(
[02:48] <dpanario> ubottu: i ve tried that link and many others
[02:49] <jtisme> katie what did you install with synaptic
[02:49] <dpanario> anyone speak spanish?
[02:49] <katie> jtisme: apt-get --reinstall install quanta gives me the same error, that libxi6, klinkstatus, and kommander are needed; the last two give me the error that they need libxi6
[02:49] <stepnem> !es | dpanario
[02:51] <jtisme> katie what did you install with synaptic
[02:51] <katie> I'm not sure; I tried to download "secret maryo chronicles" yesterday (: and some other games-- but the installs mostly didn't work
[02:52] <Daskreech> katie: it downloaded but didn't install?
[02:52] <katie> I might have tried dist-upgrade
[02:52] <katie> I think so
[02:53] <Daskreech> ok can you pastebin sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[02:53] <katie> no, I'm not sure I did dist-upgrade
[02:53] <Daskreech> !paste
[02:53] <katie> I really don't know what I did ):
[02:53] <katie> ah okay
[02:53] <Daskreech> That's ok
[02:54] <katie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/141112/
[02:56] <katie> (thanks ubottu)
[02:58] <katie> wait, let me try something, I'm going to reboot and come right back
[03:01] <katie> okay
[03:01] <katie> that didn't work
[03:02] <katie> what does this "libxi6 (>= 2:1.1.3-1ubuntu1) but 2:1.1.3-1 is to be installed" mean, anyway?
[03:04] <jtisme> katie i gather it means that the system wants  2:1.1.3-1ubuntu1 not 2:1.1.3-1
[03:04] <katie> so they're different? how do I get the ubuntu one? I try apt-get and it says libxi6 is already the newest
[03:04] <jtisme> katie i have never seen the msg these packages have been kept back
[03:05] <katie> what do you mean? is that an older version that it wants?
[03:05] <katie> (no hits on google)
[03:06] <jtisme> katie, the 1ubuntu1 is definitely in the ubuntu stream and i suspect the other is not
[03:06] <katie> what is the ubuntu stream? how do I get this different version without uninstalling the one I've got first?
[03:08] <jtisme> katie hold on a sec i am looking at something
[03:08] <katie> okay cool
[03:09] <jtisme> katie, what version displays when you  execute   dpkg -l  libxi6
[03:10] <katie> 2:1.1.3-1
[03:11] <jtisme> katie, i am in slightly uncharted waters here but in the past when i encountered those type of conflicts i uninstalled the offending package and reinstalled it
[03:11] <katie> yeah i thought about that, except this package is used for everything
[03:11] <jtisme> making sure i got the ubuntu package
[03:11] <katie> it would uninstall all my major programs
[03:12] <katie> 1GB worth of stuff, I'm not even sure my computer would be functional for me
[03:12] <jtisme> yeah it is the x extension stuff
[03:14] <jtisme> katie, i dont know how to force the ubuntu package to be installed perhaps someone else here does and we would both learn something
[03:15] <katie> is there no way I can make this thing use the wrong package?
[03:15] <katie> other than install build-dep and install -f?
[03:16] <jtisme> katie, i cant answer that question
[03:16] <Daskreech> katie: what does sudo apt-get remove libxi6 say?
[03:16] <Daskreech>  if it asks to proceed do not let it
[03:17] <katie> it give me a really big list of nearly everything i can think of, including stuff that looks like KDE
[03:17] <katie> saying that all of that will be removed with the operation
[03:19] <Daskreech> katie: ok what does apt-cache policy libxi6 say
[03:19] <Daskreech> pastebin it
[03:19] <katie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/141122/
[03:20] <Daskreech> and what are you trying to install?
[03:20] <katie> quanta
[03:21] <katie> i'm also having big freezing problems with firefox, and wondering if this has anything to do with it
[03:23] <Daskreech> katie: apt-cache depends quanta
[03:23] <katie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/141123/
[03:25] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-vga
[03:26] <katie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/141125/
[03:27] <Daskreech> woooah
[03:27] <Daskreech> apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core
[03:27] <katie> that didn't sound good.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/141126/
[03:32] <Daskreech> hrrm
[03:32] <Daskreech> seems like you are pulling packages from two different repos
[03:32] <Daskreech> apt-cache policy quanta
[03:33] <katie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/141127/ -- that might make sense, for a while I had both synaptic and adept and when I used synaptic (the only time I did) it screwed something up with my windows
[03:34] <katie> so I've avoided synaptic-- i told you wrong earlier, I've been using adept, not synaptic
[03:35] <Daskreech> katie: the hell?
[03:35] <Daskreech> what version of the distro are you using?
[03:35] <katie> hardy
[03:35] <Daskreech> So why is Quanta coming from the Ibex repos ?
[03:35] <katie> i'm a linux newbie, i really don't even know what that means
[03:36] <katie> i had quanta for a while, and something uninstalled it automatically
[03:36] <Daskreech> katie it's like one program thinking it's on windows XP when you are on windows 98
[03:36] <Daskreech> paste bin the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:36] <katie> any idea how i fix it?
[03:36] <Daskreech> ^^
[03:37] <katie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/141131/
[03:39] <Daskreech> ^_^
[03:39] <Daskreech> Tell me about the last three lines
[03:39] <katie> is that bad?
[03:39] <Daskreech> No just amusing
[03:39] <katie> oh, I bet I added the intrepid line this weekend, actually
[03:39] <katie> I should have known better on that one
[03:40] <katie> what's wrong with the other two lines?
[03:40] <Daskreech> Nothing
[03:40] <cristian> i have a disk with two partitions... C: NTSF and D: NTSF and kubuntu is installed like an aplication in windows... in disck D:
[03:40] <Daskreech> just wanted to know the story behind them
[03:40] <Daskreech> cristian: You mean NTFS
[03:40] <cristian> with kde3.5 and kubuntu 8.4 dolphin showed me the two partitions...
[03:41] <katie> oh the other one, i was just following instructions to get banshee to work for my ipod
[03:41] <Daskreech> katie: comment out the last line and update and you will be fine
[03:41] <cristian> but now with kde 4 and 8.10... only the C: disc
[03:41] <katie> i don't really know what i'm doing, i just google things and try them
[03:41] <cristian> what can i do... other thing that a mount?
[03:41] <Daskreech> Would you like me to explain ?
[03:41] <katie> to me? (if so, yes)
[03:42] <Daskreech> do you understand main universe multi verse ?
[03:42] <katie> eee it's working!!!
[03:42] <katie> no, what is that?
[03:42] <Daskreech> I know
[03:42] <Daskreech> :-)
[03:42] <katie> eee that's so awesome!!!
[03:42] <Daskreech> ok do you know a repository is ?
[03:42] <katie> thank you thank you (:
[03:42] <katie> yes
[03:42] <katie> that's where apt-get gets its files
[03:42] <jkfresh> howdy folks! anybody know the name of the package that allows you to setup a fake sendmail using your isp's email server to send alerts for mdadm and smartctl?
[03:42] <Daskreech> right
[03:43] <Daskreech> sendmail ?
[03:43] <katie> no, what's that?
[03:43] <jkfresh> it's not sendmail, it's something like fakemail. It has fake in the name.
[03:43] <Daskreech> katie: sorry that was for jkfresh
[03:44] <jkfresh> the os drive in my home nas died, and I am trying to remember what I did almost a year ago to get it setup
[03:44] <katie> ah okay, sorry
[03:44] <Daskreech> katie: ok Ubuntu has many repositories
[03:44] <katie> okay
[03:44] <Daskreech> main restricted universe multiverse
[03:44] <katie> those are types, i guess
[03:44] <katie> so i must have told it to go to "intrepid universe"
[03:44] <Daskreech> main are packages that Canonical will support and they have the source code for them
[03:45] <katie> okay
[03:45] <Daskreech> restricted is ones they support and they don't have the source code
[03:45] <Daskreech> mostly drivers etc
[03:45] <Daskreech> universe are contributed and maintained by people not associated with canonical
[03:45] <Daskreech> and the source is available
[03:45] <katie> okay
[03:46] <Daskreech> multiverse is of course not done by canonical and no source is available
[03:46] <Daskreech> that's not fully true
[03:46] <Daskreech> source is available for things in multiverse
[03:46] <Daskreech> but some of them are not legal in certain countries
[03:46] <Daskreech> (read broadly as the US)
[03:47] <katie> hmmm lol
[03:47] <Daskreech> so those are the basic repositories from Ubuntu
[03:47] <Daskreech> you added some more like banshee
[03:47] <Daskreech> however Ubuntu collects all these packages togetehr as a snapshot in time
[03:47] <Daskreech> that is a release
[03:48] <Daskreech> You are on the release 8.04 codenamed hardy
[03:48] <e-jat> can someone help me on this -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/141134/
[03:48] <Daskreech> for sanity reasons Ubuntu has what is called a "freeze" for releases
[03:48] <katie> okay, and I told it to go to an intrepid repository... which was bad because it conflicted with the older hardy version?
[03:49] <Daskreech> when that happens whatever version of the packages stays
[03:49] <katie> okay..
[03:49] <Daskreech> when you want updated ones beyond security fixes you go to a new release
[03:49] <Daskreech> like 8.10 codenamed intrepid
[03:50] <Daskreech> Right so you added a intrepid universe package which needs packages from Main
[03:50] <Daskreech> so it called main but main was from hardy so the packages were older
[03:50] <katie> ah
[03:50] <Daskreech> It knew it needed a package at least X old for it to work and yours was older so it stopped
[03:51] <Daskreech> nothing could move unti that was resolved
[03:51] <Daskreech> now if you had a intrepid main and intrepid universe it would have installed
[03:52] <katie> can you do that?
[03:52] <Daskreech> e-jat: what version of Qt ?
[03:52] <Daskreech> well yes
[03:52] <katie> if i started my system with hardy, can i upgrade to intrepid without wiping the system?
[03:52] <Daskreech> but as you saw mixing relelases is painful
[03:52] <Daskreech> katie: Oh yes
[03:52] <katie> right, that wasn't good
[03:52] <Daskreech> that's how most people do it
[03:52] <katie> really? how do you do it?
[03:53] <Daskreech> !upgrade
[03:53] <katie> don't upgrade?
[03:53] <Daskreech> katie: If you like hardy stay on it
[03:53] <katie> i do, just curious since there are a couple of new distros now
[03:53] <Daskreech> ibex is KDE4 which a lot of people don't like
[03:54] <Daskreech> Ubuntu supports two types of upgrades
[03:54] <Daskreech> version +1
[03:54] <Daskreech> so from hardy to intrepid
[03:54] <remu> Hello everyone. I normally use Ubuntu, but I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu. Under ubuntu I used to control my volume using the PCM slider, however, now when I use the PCM slider it doesn't make any difference. When I had kubuntu-desktop installed under my regular ubuntu install, the PCM slider did change the audio.
[03:54] <Daskreech> but not say hardy to jaunty
[03:54] <Daskreech> which is the next version after intrepid
[03:55] <remu> Does anyone know how I can rectify this problem?
[03:55] <katie> gotcha, okay
[03:55] <Daskreech> remu: try front
[03:55] <Daskreech> for some people that seems to do what PCM does
[03:55] <Daskreech> katie: you can also do LTS to LTS
[03:55] <rosco_y> does anyone know how to configure more than one desktop in the Display Manager?
[03:56] <Daskreech> rosco_y: right click and set it in the settings
[03:56] <katie> lts?
[03:56] <remu> Daskreech: well, Master, Front, and Headphones do change the audio, but they change it logarithmically (same behaviour in both Ubuntu and Kubuntu), while under Ubuntu PCM changed the volume in a linear fashion.
[03:56] <Daskreech> katie: Hardy is an LTS release so you can wait 4 releases then do a direct upgrade
[03:56] <Daskreech>  !lts
[03:56] <Daskreech> katie: ^^^
[03:56] <rosco_y> Daskreech: Right-click what?
[03:56] <katie> ah okay, cool
[03:57] <Daskreech> rosco_y: the desktop pager on the panel
[03:57] <rosco_y> ok, I'll give it a whirl
[03:57] <Daskreech> katie: basically for people who hate doing upgrades every few months
[03:57] <Daskreech> Some distros have what is called a rolling release which is cool if you want upgrades all  the time :)
[03:57] <katie> i see, okay cool
[03:58] <Daskreech> Yeah it is pretty neat
[03:58] <rosco_y> I guess my problem is in the ATI Catalyst Control Center: I'm trying to enable Xinerama
[03:58] <katie> that problem probably didn't have anything to do with firefox freezes then... is there any well-known problem with kubuntu + firefox?
[03:58] <rosco_y> it's telling me I need to configure more than one desktop, I have four desktops enabled in the pager...
[03:59] <e-jat> Daskreech: 4.5.0
[03:59] <e-jat> im in Jaunty beta
[03:59] <rosco_y> It doesn't seem like xinerama would care about pager settings...am I missing something?
[03:59] <Daskreech> katie: what kind of freezes
[03:59] <e-jat> or should i reinstall kopete using package?
[03:59] <Daskreech> e-jat: #ubuntu+1
[03:59] <e-jat> Daskreech: thanks
[03:59] <Daskreech> rosco_y: Oh thought you meant virtual desktops
[03:59] <Daskreech> !xinerama | rosco_y
[03:59] <katie> that's the problem-- i haven't figured out what triggers the freezes, so it doesn't seem like enough information to google yet
[04:00] <rosco_y> Daskreech: Yes, the message is misleading
[04:00] <Daskreech> katie: like you have to kill the application freeze?
[04:00] <remu>  Under ubuntu I used to control my volume using the PCM slider, however, now when I use the PCM slider it doesn't make any difference. When I had kubuntu-desktop installed under my regular ubuntu install, the PCM slider did change the audio.
[04:00] <katie> no, it freezes for around 5-10 seconds and comes back
[04:01] <rosco_y> I had it working with my old mobo and cpu, but after upgrading to amd 64, it's not the same anymore
[04:01] <katie> it always does it on the google home page when trying to search
[04:01] <rosco_y> oh, I know why
[04:01] <Daskreech> katie: Ah might be writing out cache
[04:01] <katie> so i wonder if it has something to do with javascript or something
[04:01] <rosco_y> I changed video drivers, but I didn't modify the X config file
[04:01] <katie> "writing out" cache? meaning caching pages?
[04:01] <Daskreech> Mozilla did a patch to stop that in 3.1 which I don't think that Hardy has
[04:02] <Daskreech> yes
[04:02] <katie> should i try turning cache down to nothing or something?
[04:02] <Daskreech> I forget do a google on firefox 3 ext3
[04:12] <katie> hmm okay i'll work on the firefox thing then-- hey thank you Daskreech, I appreciate your help
[04:17] <Gera> Hi, I'm new to kubuntu and after some strugle I finally installed it on my pc, and after the update I got an error about kernel panic
[04:17] <Gera> can someone help me
[04:17] <rosco_y> how can I apply twinview changes (xorg.conf) to my session without rebooting my computer?
[04:17] <Elonetaru> Gera, what is the error message
[04:18] <Gera> it is: Kernel panic -not syncing VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block
[04:19] <rosco_y> Can anyone tell me how to apply my xorg.conf changes to my kde without rebooting my computer?
[04:20] <rosco_y> I'm trying to turn xinerama on, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have to shutdown and restart every time I make a change--or am I wrong about that?
[04:23] <jtisme> rosco_y, ctrl+alt + backspace will kill and restart the X server and should pick up your changes
[04:44] <rosco_y> Does anyone know what audio drivers I need to install to use the Realtek ALC888 chipset?
[04:45] <rosco_y> (all this peace and quiet is driving me nuts)
[04:48] <picketfence> Hey, y'all. I have a laptop with a Broadcom 440 wireless card that doesn't want to work with Kubuntu. Any thoughts?
[04:49] <Daskreech> !broadcom
[04:49] <picketfence> Thank you kindly. :-)
[04:54] <rosco_y> can anyone help me turn my audio on?
[04:54] <Daskreech> !sound
[04:58] <duranman> my cpu speed is read as dynamic, is there a way for me to configure the frequency?
[04:59] <duranman> nevermind :D
[05:09] <socratesuriel> como estas comunidad ubuntu primera vez que me conecto
[05:10] <Daskreech> !es
[05:47] <rbuels> i can't get the double-click word highlighting to work correctly in konsole.  it's supposed to highlight across "/" chars, but it's not
[05:47] <rbuels> and the "/" is in the list in the settings
[05:47] <rbuels> this is konsole_4.1.2-0ubuntu4_i386
[05:48] <lninjox> where to go for c++
[05:49] <rbuels> apt-get install build-essential gives you C and C++ compilers
[05:49] <rbuels> and libs and stuff
[05:49] <inanimate_> Can you disable the keyboard and mouse (Linux)?
[05:50] <inanimate_> I suppose the Linux was unnecessary... Not sure why I put that =).
[05:50] <lninjox> how to install kubuntu 9 from repository
[05:52] <Daskreech> #cplusplus
[05:52] <Daskreech> inanimate_: Plug them out :)
[05:53] <inanimate_> Heh... Laptop?
[05:53] <Daskreech> inanimate_: Better question then is if you disable the mouse and keyboard how do you renable them then?
[05:54] <inanimate_> Yeah, I was thinking about that...
[05:54] <inanimate_> I'd say put it on a timer, but not sure if that is even possible. How about just the keyboard?
[05:54] <rbuels> answered my own question: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186048
[05:55] <rbuels> that must mean i'm, um, awesome.
[05:56] <Daskreech> lninjox: Kubuntu 9 ?
[05:56] <lninjox> yes
[05:58] <lninjox> 8.10 crashed after some much work setting up error no write access to .ICEauthority? and also how can i recover my files if i cant get in my display
[05:58] <lninjox> anyone else have this problem happen?
[06:11] <lninjox> not much in forums tried all listed in ubuntuforums.org
[06:19] <Daskreech> lninjox: crashed?
[06:23] <lninjox> once booted i was able to login and then it threw the error
[06:29] <Daskreech> lninjox: ah ok
[06:29] <Daskreech> bah
[06:29] <Daskreech> yeah it's an easy error to fix
[06:49] <CrypTom> hi all, does anyone know how the update manager or update notifier knows, when it is necessary to restart a pc?
[06:49] <CrypTom> kernel udpates, that clear
[06:49] <CrypTom> but there are other reasons, too
[06:54] <tsimpson> CrypTom: the file /var/run/reboot-required is created
[06:55] <CrypTom> tsimpson: cool, thanks, good to now
[06:56] <CrypTom> tsimpson: and this is the case on all debian based systems?
[06:57] <tsimpson> CrypTom: should be for all recent versions
[06:58] <CrypTom> tsimpson: ok, so its also there on servers withou gui
[06:59] <tsimpson> CrypTom: it should be created by dpkg, but I'm not 100% on that
[07:24] <CrypTom> tsimpson: the package update-notifier-common must be installed, a package needing a reboot calls /usr/share/update-notifier/update-notify-reboot-required which creates the mentioned file
[07:24] <tsimpson> so the postinst calls that
[07:27] <CrypTom> tsimpson: yep
[07:41] <zeltak2> Hi, im getting no sound in all my video players (smplayer,vlc, kaffine etc..) under jaunty...any idea why?
[07:41] <bazhang> !jaunty
[07:43] <zeltak2> thx
[10:17] <domw888> !de
[10:19] <lokai> I'm trying to compile something from source. I'm running ./configure, and it exits on error: ld cannot find -lncurses
[10:19] <lokai> What does that mean? It can't find libncurses?
[10:22] <tsimpson> lokai: means it can find libncurses.so
[10:24] <tsimpson> try libncurses5-dev
[10:24] <lokai> tsimpson: There is no flag to specify where libncurses is (It should be standard anyways...)
[10:25] <tsimpson> you need the -dev package to build with it
[10:27] <lokai> oh, ok.
[10:29] <domw888> hello, does anybody know how to install a canon mcp190 multifunctional device?
[10:49] <julia_ex-XP-k> morning @all oder spricht man hier deutsch ;)
[10:49] <eagles0513875> !de julia_ex-XP-k
[10:49] <eagles0513875> !de | julia_ex-XP-k
[10:51] <julia_ex-XP-k> ach ja verstehe. na das ist ja wuunderbar aber englisch ist auch ok.
[10:51] <julia_ex-XP-k> also funzt das hier so dass man sich miteinander unterghält. weil es sagt ja keiner was
[10:51] <julia_ex-XP-k> oder ist das nur meine weibliche wahrnehmung ;)))'
[10:52] <eagles0513875> julia_ex-XP-k: english please
[10:52] <eagles0513875> i dont speak german
[10:52] <julia_ex-XP-k> ah all right sorry guys
[10:53] <julia_ex-XP-k> I just mentioned that I was surprised at the beginning as no one rerally said something
[10:53] <Mamarok> julia_ex-XP-k: for German, go to #kubuntu-de please
[10:53] <eagles0513875> julia_ex-XP-k: im in other channels
[10:53] <eagles0513875> jumping round
[10:54] <julia_ex-XP-k> sorry bloody beginners and in addition blond beginners
[10:54] <julia_ex-XP-k> english is fine
[10:54] <eagles0513875> julia patience is the key if anyone knows the solution to your problem they will help you
[10:54] <Mamarok> julia_ex-XP-k: there actually *is* German support in #kubuntu-de!
[10:54] <julia_ex-XP-k> very smart but I guess that was just my female perception :)
[10:55] <julia_ex-XP-k> for how long do you guys work with kubuntu? for me its the second day *lol*
[10:55] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: This is a so called support channel ... if nobody needs support, people keep quiet
[10:55] <eagles0513875> !offtopic | julia_ex-XP-k
[10:57] <julia_ex-XP-k> I see. Sorry again. I try to get connected to the internet with kubuntu. I use a router an entered the correct IP and gateway in kubuntu but the eth0 is down . andy hints?
[10:58] <eagles0513875> are you using the router dhcp to connect to the internet
[10:58] <eagles0513875> for me thats what i am doing and it works out of the box
[10:59] <julia_ex-XP-k> I use static IPs no DHCP
[11:00] <eagles0513875> wwell static ips are bugged in kubuntu as soon as you restart your pc it will revert to looking for a dynamic ip address
[11:01] <eagles0513875> !identify
[11:01] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: There are two ways to connect one is with network-manager, which works great with dhcp, the otherway is to remove network-manager and dhclient and use the old way
[11:01] <eagles0513875> Riesh: shes new to linux so she might not know the old way
[11:01] <Riesh> The old way is with /etc/network/interfaces
[11:02] <Riesh> there is enough documentation about the old way :-)
[11:02] <julia_ex-XP-k> right, i'll try the old way. :) back in a sec
[11:03] <Riesh> eagles0513875: if she want to use static it is the only way
[11:03] <eagles0513875> Riesh: well thanks for enlightening me so i remove knetwork manager
[11:03] <eagles0513875> and dhclient
[11:05] <Riesh> network-manager is nice on a laptop with wireless lan ... but a 'pita' for my the desktop where i want a static IP
[11:05] <julia_ex-XP-k> ok, if i type /etc/network/interfaces i get a "permission denied" even as root
[11:05] <eagles0513875> julia_ex-XP-k: its sudo /etc/network/interfaces up
[11:05] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: yes ... it is a file you need to opem
[11:05] <eagles0513875> that brings the interface online
[11:05] <eagles0513875> aahhhhhhh wait ignore me
[11:05] <eagles0513875> ill be quiet
[11:05] <Riesh> :-P
[11:06] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: type in konsole "sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces"
[11:06] <Riesh> nano is an editor
[11:07] <julia_ex-XP-k> ah, right, so i need to open the file and than do waht?
[11:07] <eagles0513875> Riesh: question actually in regards to wlans what do u use to connect
[11:07] <julia_ex-XP-k> cable lan
[11:07] <Riesh> So there in that file you see iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[11:08] <julia_ex-XP-k> no, 2 lines:
[11:08] <julia_ex-XP-k> auto lo
[11:08] <Riesh> nothing with eth0 in it ?
[11:08] <julia_ex-XP-k> iface lo inet loopback
[11:08] <julia_ex-XP-k> no :(
[11:08] <eagles0513875> Riesh: funny thing is mine says the same thing
[11:09] <eagles0513875> its like that file isnt even used any more
[11:09] <Riesh> aha ... ok ok ... enter after the last line a new empty line and "under" that empty line you type "auto eth0"
[11:10] <Martiini> which command to run "gnome system settings" ?
[11:10] <julia_ex-XP-k> ok, done. now?
[11:10] <Riesh> Then under that "iface eth0 inet static"
[11:11] <Riesh> without the quotes (")
[11:11] <eagles0513875> !ubuntu | Martiini
[11:11] <eagles0513875> Martiini: are you using kubuntu or ubuntu
[11:11] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: what IP address your router has?
[11:11] <julia_ex-XP-k> ok, done. without the quotes. :)
[11:12] <julia_ex-XP-k> Router IP = <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:12] <Martiini> I use kubuntu (kde) and would wanna know how to run "gnome system settings"
[11:12] <eagles0513875> it should show up under system msettings or what ever
[11:12] <Riesh> aha ... under the last line type : " address <IP_ADDRESS>"
[11:13] <eagles0513875> morning gnomefreak
[11:13] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: then under that "netmask <IP_ADDRESS>"
[11:13] <julia_ex-XP-k> being the IP for this CP, right? becouse I use other PCs in the same network, therefor I guess I should just use a free IP
[11:14] <Riesh> Yes you are right
[11:14] <Riesh> address is the IP you want to assign for this comp.
[11:15] <julia_ex-XP-k> ok, done. :) I don't know exactley waht I'm doing but you guys seem to know
[11:15] <eagles0513875> Riesh: what do you use to connect to wifi connections instead of knetwork
[11:15] <Riesh> under the netmask line you add another line: "gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:15] <Riesh> eagles0513875: wait a moment :-)
[11:16] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:16] <julia_ex-XP-k> roger
[11:16] <Riesh> eagles0513875: you have to set essid and essid password in the interfaces file
[11:17] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: OK .. now you you can write the changes to the file ...
[11:17] <eagles0513875> Riesh: do you use knetwork manager
[11:17] <Riesh> the ^ for an option mean use CTRL and that letter
[11:18] <Martiini> Hey, Does anyone know what command run gnome system settings, please ??
[11:18] <Riesh> eagles0513875: no i don't use ... on my laptop i have network-manager ... and on the desktop i use static IP without wireless
[11:18] <eagles0513875> !patience | Martiini
[11:19] <eagles0513875> Riesh: im tryign to connect to mine with knetworkmanager and it doesnt even pick it up
[11:19] <julia_ex-XP-k> ok, sorry bur i don't know how. I see the ^0 at the bottom for saving, but I dont know how to actually use this command... :(
[11:19] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: CTRL O is ... write to file
[11:19] <Riesh> use control o
[11:20] <Riesh> then control X
[11:20] <Martiini> eagles0513875 just type it when you know .. i dont really support people who waste time on typing triggers on irc
[11:20] <julia_ex-XP-k> ah, right. ok, done. but control X doesent seem to do anything..
[11:21] <Riesh> no capital X
[11:21] <Riesh> just x
[11:22] <julia_ex-XP-k> still, nothing seems to happen.
[11:22] <julia_ex-XP-k> what is it supposed to do?
[11:22] <Riesh> close this program and give you back the shel prompt
[11:22] <Riesh> shell
[11:23] <Riesh> it says Exit
[11:23] <s4crifice> hi, please, i'm new user....... I've downloaded package tar.gz, but..... WTF i have to do with it? google didn't help me, i need help step by step....... any patient person here for this?
[11:24] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: can it be you have not a englisch keyboard layout ?
[11:24] <julia_ex-XP-k> hm. I just klickt it close with the mouse and opend the shell again.
[11:24] <ibrar> What is the command to pull kernel source for kubuntu 8.10
[11:24] <ibrar> apt-get install ???
[11:24] <eagles0513875> ibrar: apt-get source
[11:24] <julia_ex-XP-k> yeah, i use a german keyboard. makes a difference?
[11:25] <SlimeyPete> apt-get source <package name>
[11:25] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: yes ... many keys are then different :-)
[11:25] <ibrar> apt-get source kernel ?
[11:26] <julia_ex-XP-k> but control and x are the same, no?
[11:26] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: that's why you woiuld probably get betetr support from people in ubuntu-de ..where maybe people are with the same keyboard settings .. anyway ... you are back in the shell?
[11:27] <SlimeyPete> ibrar: apt-get source linux-generic will give you the source of the generic kernel, I think
[11:27] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: not really know where the X is on a german keyboard ... on mine it is between the Z and C
[11:27] <julia_ex-XP-k> I like it here. :) yes, back in the shell, feeling very geeky.
[11:27] <ibrar> SimeyPete: I need the kernel currently installed with my kubuntu
[11:28] <s4crifice> if i write apt-get install <package>, it writes me that the package couldn't be found
[11:28] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: so not you need to remove the network-manager packages ... and the dhclient packages ... i believe ibrar was here yesterday to tell us the dhclient packages als oneed to be removed
[11:28] <SlimeyPete> s4crifice: you have to put the pakcage name in place of <package>
[11:29] <SlimeyPete> ibrar: well, what kernel is currently installed? Generic? Server? Virtual?
[11:29] <s4crifice> i did...
[11:29] <SlimeyPete> s4crifice: what package name did you use?
[11:29] <SlimeyPete> and did you use sudo?
[11:29] <SlimeyPete> sudo apt-get install thepackage
[11:29] <s4crifice> apt-get install hplip-3.9.2.tar.gz
[11:29] <SlimeyPete> that's not a package
[11:29] <SlimeyPete> !apt | s4crifice
[11:29] <julia_ex-XP-k> that sounds easy. :) where can I find 'em?
[11:29] <SlimeyPete> apt isn't for installing tar.gz files
[11:30] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: "sudo apt-get --purge remove network-manager"
[11:30] <SlimeyPete> apt is for automatically downloading & installing software which is in the Ubuntu repositories
[11:30] <ibrar> I have installed default kabuntu
[11:30] <ibrar> I got it
[11:30] <SlimeyPete> ibrar: then you'll have the generic kernel.
[11:30] <ibrar> sudo apt-get install linux-source
[11:30] <Riesh> ibrar ?
[11:31] <ibrar> sI think its generic
[11:31] <s4crifice> ok wait...
[11:32] <julia_ex-XP-k> ok, done, no the sam with dhclient, right?,
[11:32] <Riesh>  ^X Exit                       ^J Justify                    ^W Where Is                   ^V Next Page                  ^U UnCut Text                 ^T To Spell
[11:32] <Riesh> o o
[11:32] <Riesh> :-P
[11:33] <Riesh> ibrar: can you help julia_ex-XP-k further ... i need to go have dinner
[11:33] <s4crifice> ok so, how i can install the tar.gz (archive)? unpack the archiv, then?
[11:33] <ibrar> ok let me read
[11:34] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: try to see if you can "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[11:34] <s4crifice> linux is one big unknown for me, but i have to learn with it....
[11:35] <Riesh> julia_ex-XP-k: see if you can "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" after that
[11:35] <julia_ex-XP-k> ok, back in a sec
[11:35] <ibrar> julia_ex-XP-k: You have to unintsall network-manager and dhcp client
[11:35] <ibrar> julia_ex-XP-k: Otherwise your setting will not work
[11:35] <Riesh> thanx ibrar
[11:36]  * Riesh off to eat something
[11:36] <s4crifice> please... tar.gz - HOW?
[11:36] <julia_ex-XP-k> did uninstall network amanger, but says it cant find dhclient
[11:37] <julia_ex-XP-k> and it says "couldn't find command" with sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:38] <ibrar> julia_ex-XP-k: sudo apt-get install dhcp3-client
[11:39] <julia_ex-XP-k> ok, done. says its already up2date
[11:40] <ibrar> julia_ex-XP-k: Whats your /etc/network/interface says
[11:40] <ibrar> julia_ex-XP-k: sudo apt-get remove  dhcp3-client
[11:40] <glick> hey do i need to install something extra to play .mov files?
[11:40] <eagles0513875> Riesh: i need to talk to ya when i get back about the wifi i need lunch atm
[11:41] <julia_ex-XP-k> i guess just one space between remove and dhcp3, right?
[11:41] <julia_ex-XP-k> worked
[11:41] <glick> what do i need to play .mov files?
[11:42] <glick> dragon player doesnt play anything
[11:42] <julia_ex-XP-k> trying this again now:sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:42] <julia_ex-XP-k> says again "command not found"
[11:42] <glick> anyone?
[11:43] <ibrar> ls -l sudo /etc/init.d/networking
[11:44] <ibrar> sudo ls -l  /etc/init.d/networking
[11:46] <julia_ex-XP-k> says no such file in directory
[11:46] <julia_ex-XP-k> maybe if i type the same thing with "pleasse" in front of it
[11:50] <ibrar> It should be there, but can you please tell me what version of ubutu/kubuntu you are using and type your /etc/network/interface file here
[11:51] <julia_ex-XP-k> kubuntu 8.10
[11:52] <julia_ex-XP-k> what shall i do with /etc/network/interface? if i type this command nothing happens
[11:52] <ibrar> Means what you have in this file ?
[11:53] <ibrar> > auto lo
[11:53] <ibrar> > iface lo inet loopback
[11:53] <ibrar> > auto wlan0
[11:53] <ibrar> >   iface wlan0 inet static
[11:53] <ibrar> >   wireless-essid linksys
[11:53] <ibrar> >   address <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:53] <ibrar> >   netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:53] <ibrar> >   gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:53] <ibrar> I have this
[11:54] <julia_ex-XP-k> auto lo
[11:54] <julia_ex-XP-k> iface lo inet loopback
[11:54] <julia_ex-XP-k> the rest we put in there before somehow was not saved :(
[11:56] <ibrar> Add again
[11:56] <ibrar> and restart the computer
[11:56] <ibrar> because you dont have /etc/network/networking command
[11:59] <ibrar> I have installed sudo apt-get install linux-source
[11:59] <ibrar> where it installed the source code
[11:59] <ibrar> cannot see source of kernel in /usr/src (only headers :()
[12:01] <hiena> !md5
[12:02] <hiena> what should i do with this file??
[12:03] <Mamarok> hiena: it's to check if the iso you donwloaded is identical to the one on the server
[12:03] <Mamarok> usually k3b tests it for you
[12:03] <Mamarok> when starting to burn the CD/DVD
[12:04] <hiena> Mamarok do i need to open the md5 file with k3b?
[12:05] <Mamarok> hiena: no, the burning software calculates the checksum of the ISO file in the beginning
[12:05] <Mamarok> the md5 file from the server is a simple text file you can open with kate or vim
[12:06] <hiena> so i just burn the iso whats all ?? and the k3b will check the md5 file on his own
[12:06] <Mamarok> and there you see the checksum you should have if your ISO file is ok
[12:06] <Mamarok> you can see the calculated number in the output when k3b starts, just compare with the one in the *.md5 file
[12:07] <Mamarok> if the numers are identical, your ISO image is ok
[12:07] <Mamarok> umbers*
[12:07] <hiena> ahammm
[12:07] <Mamarok> numbers*, sorry
[12:07] <hiena> they are a lot
[12:07] <hiena> very a lot :D
[12:08] <hiena> but since i have the md5 must be the correct one :)
[12:08] <Mamarok> hiena: if the ISO file got corrupted during the download the mde5 summ changes
[12:08] <hiena> k
[12:08] <hiena> understand
[12:09] <hiena> kewl
[12:10] <picketfence> I have a laptop with a Broadcom 44xx wireless card that doesn't want to work with Kubuntu. I followed the instructions from (!broadcom), but it still won't work.
[12:11] <Dillizar> picketfence 8.10??
[12:12] <julia_ex-XP-k> at etc/network/interfaces the specifications (ip, gateway...) are now saved but after a restart there is still no internet connection :(
[12:12] <picketfence> Yes, I'm sorry. It is 8.10
[12:12] <adaptive_> hello everybody
[12:12] <Dillizar> picketfence did you had it on when was the 8.10 installing
[12:13] <picketfence> Yes. It is internal, and it is recognized by several other distros.
[12:14] <Dillizar> damn
[12:14] <picketfence> I know, right?
[12:14] <picketfence> It's crazy.
[12:14] <zeroone09> hai
[12:14] <picketfence> Kubuntu will recognize a USB Belkin wireless adapter no problem.
[12:15] <picketfence> But we are trying to get away from that because the Belkin belongs to his dad.
[12:15] <BumbleBee_Tuna> Afternoon folks. Why might a usb stick i was using to transfer info between two kubuntu machines become "read only" all of a sudden?
[12:15] <ibrar> Again: How to pull complete kerel source code curretly installed with 8.10.
[12:15] <adaptive_> would you give me the channel list?
[12:15] <BumbleBee_Tuna> Not only that but the 4gb usb stick says it has 19tb's of data on it! :D
[12:15] <ibrar> I want to do somechanges in kernel and want to recompile it
[12:16] <Idhan> I have register my nick in irc channel, but.. how can I set the settings in Konvertation to use it?
[12:16] <Idhan> Autodentify Service: ?????
[12:16] <picketfence> BBT: I think your computer has lofty dreams.  :-)
[12:18] <picketfence> :Idhan: Push F8, then fill in the form.
[12:19] <fireup> f8??
[12:19] <picketfence> :Idhan: Or in the menu bar, click Settings, then Identify...
[12:20] <fireup> picketfence btw i think 8.04 is the best kubuntu ever made
[12:20] <picketfence> <Identities
[12:20] <picketfence> :Dillzar: is there a way to downgrade without losing what little progress we've already made?
[12:20] <Dillizar> lol
[12:20] <Dillizar> :D
[12:21] <Dillizar> downgrade :D
[12:21] <picketfence> :Idhan:Have you found it yet?
[12:21] <Dillizar> i have tryed but its a lot of work
[12:21] <Dillizar> change kernels and sh***
[12:21] <Dillizar> i dont like it
[12:21] <Dillizar> :D
[12:21] <Idhan> yes
[12:21] <picketfence> :Dillzar:eww.....
[12:21] <Idhan> picketfence: yes
[12:22] <picketfence> :Dillzar:So we are basically SOL?
[12:22] <Idhan> picketfence: well, says : Auto Identify
[12:22] <Dillizar> picketfence you will not have KDE4.2.2 but you will have a good OS
[12:23] <Dillizar> dude picketfence what chat client are ya using ??
[12:23] <picketfence> :Idhan:At Auto Identify, type nickserv for the Service, then your password. Click OK, and you're done! :-)
[12:23] <picketfence> :Dillzar:Konversation
[12:24] <Dillizar> hmm why you put : infront of my nick LD it looks like a smilie
[12:24] <Dillizar> :D
[12:24] <picketfence> LOL
[12:24] <picketfence> Sorry, it's habit.
[12:24] <picketfence> Dillzar:I just noticed something. I'm actually using Kubuntu 9.04 Beta. :-(
[12:25] <picketfence> Dillzar:I didn't even realize that until just now.
[12:25] <picketfence> Dillzar:Konversation 1.1 (Using KDE 3.5.10)
[12:26] <Idhan> picketfence: thanks a lot !
[12:26] <Dillizar> picketfence how the hell are ya using kde 3.5.10 on 9.04??
[12:26] <picketfence> :Idhan:Anytime I can help. :-)
[12:27] <picketfence> Dillzar:I don't know! I just downloaded the ISO, burnt it, and used it!
[12:27] <picketfence> Dillzar:KDE 3.5.10 comes with Kubuntu 9.04 Beta, I guess.
[12:27] <kakeman> is there a way to get kde3.5 to freshest kubuntu?
[12:28] <bazhang> picketfence, no it does not.
[12:28] <picketfence> Oh, wait, I did a lot of upgrade packages. That might have been it.
[12:28] <picketfence> My laptop works just fine, obviously, since that's what I'm using now.
[12:28] <picketfence> Hang on, let me fire up the other laptop and see what it's running on.
[12:29] <picketfence> Is KDE3.5.10 not a good thing on Kubuntu 9.04 Beta?
[12:29] <kakeman> i like it
[12:30] <picketfence> Wait a minute...... at the loadup screen, it says KDE 4.1 .......????
[12:31] <kakeman> there is something wrong now
[12:31] <kakeman> i quess
[12:32] <picketfence> I'm just getting more and more confused......
[12:33] <picketfence> Tommy? How did you get on?
[12:33] <reddragon2005> hey y cant i make this thing work
[12:33] <reddragon2005> hi brad
[12:34] <picketfence> I'm trying to find an answer, tom. Stick around, we could use info from your laptop.
[12:34] <picketfence> I think....
[12:35] <reddragon2005> wats wrong with it? i had to use the cord
[12:35] <picketfence> Dillzar: Is the bot in here?
[12:36] <picketfence> Well, I'll just try it. reddragon2005, read this
[12:36] <picketfence> !broadcom
[12:36] <picketfence> Click the link
[12:37]  * Idhan is away: Gone away for now
[12:37] <reddragon2005> it did nothig
[12:37] <reddragon2005> wait
[12:38] <reddragon2005> something called konqerer came up and went away
[12:38] <picketfence> Went away?
[12:38] <picketfence> You mean it closed down?
[12:38] <reddragon2005> ya
[12:39] <picketfence> Well, click the K menu bottom left corner, then click Konquerer. Type in the link in the address bar.
[12:39] <kakeman> http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/ woo
[12:39] <kakeman> >
[12:40] <reddragon2005> u mean web browser
[12:40] <picketfence> Yeah, that too. :-)\
[12:41] <reddragon2005> wers terminal
[12:42] <picketfence> K menu, System, at the bottom
[12:42] <Riesh> reddragon2005: ALT F2 > konsole  <enter>
[12:42] <reddragon2005> k got
[12:43] <reddragon2005> keewl
[12:43] <picketfence> :Riesh:I just learned something myself. :-)
[12:43] <Riesh> :-) ... thats good
[12:45] <reddragon2005> witch ubuntu do i click
[12:45] <picketfence> What do you mean?
[12:45] <reddragon2005> hardy gutsy fiesty dapper
[12:46] <picketfence> Oh, right. Good question.
[12:47] <picketfence> :Riesh: If we are using Kubuntu, which Ubuntu flavor do we go by?
[12:47] <Riesh> type in console lsb_release -rd
[12:48] <reddragon2005> ubuntu 8.10
[12:48] <picketfence> Same here
[12:48] <Riesh> Thats "Intrepid Ibex"
[12:49] <picketfence> But that's not a choice on that webpage.
[12:49] <picketfence> That's why I was asking.
[12:49] <Riesh> so choose the newest and pray it will work :-)
[12:49] <Riesh> which webpage ...
[12:49] <Riesh> and what you try to get workign?
[12:49] <reddragon2005> yah i hope
[12:49] <picketfence> !broadcom
[12:49] <picketfence> That one.
[12:50] <reddragon2005> by the way my screen sayd 4302 if you need to kno
[12:50]  * Idhan is back.
[12:51] <picketfence> Ok, we might be able to use that later, if I can figure out how to fix it.
[12:51] <picketfence> reddragon, I know you're plugged in, but bring your laptop downstairs.
[12:51] <reddragon2005> y
[12:51] <picketfence> Because I can't work on it if it's up there......
[12:51] <reddragon2005> o
[12:51] <reddragon2005> good point
[12:52] <picketfence> :Riesh: Any thoughts?
[12:52] <Riesh> seems you need to use some software to cut the firmware out of a proprietary package
[12:53] <picketfence> :Riesh: Would that be the fw-cutter tool for bcm43xx?
[12:53] <Riesh> Yes
[12:53] <Riesh> you can install that with apt-get
[12:54] <picketfence> :Riesh: Ok, I'll try that when he gets the computer down here.
[12:55] <Riesh> OK
[12:55] <picketfence> :Riesh: What's the name of the package I have to apt-get?
[12:55] <Riesh> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[12:56] <picketfence> :Riesh: Thanks. I'll do that and let you know how it goes.
[12:56] <picketfence> Um.....what command do I use once I have it?
[12:57] <Riesh> picketfence: i am not sure ... :-) ... never had to do this ...
[12:57] <Riesh> google it
[12:58] <picketfence> I'll be back whether it works or not to let you know. Thanks!
[13:17] <picketfence> Problems upon problems
[13:17] <picketfence> b43-fwcutter didn't install properly, and the website wasn't much help
[13:18] <picketfence> And now I have another question.
[13:18] <picketfence> Adept updater wants me to install a linux-restricted-modules generic thingy, along with other linux-image generic thingy.
[13:18] <picketfence> Should I?
[13:19] <picketfence> Oh, and linux-headers, tool
[13:19] <picketfence> too.
[13:20] <DennisBagley> morning all - does anyone have 2 mins to answer somq questions on radeonhd ?
[13:20] <eagles0513875> picketfence: yes install restricted modules linux image and headers
[13:21] <eagles0513875> thats an updated kernel picketfence
[13:21] <picketfence> Ok. thx
[13:21] <eagles0513875> i have used b43-fwcutter no problems
[13:21] <picketfence> Would that one allow the Broadcom?
[13:22] <picketfence> :eagles0513875:I don't know much, but I can share my limited experience. What's your question?
[13:22] <eagles0513875> picketfence: use it if ur broadcom wifi card is a bcm43xx model to check in bash type lspci and if it is install it using the hardware driver manager under system that will find any restricted drivers from your wifi card to video card
[13:22] <eagles0513875> picketfence: im having issues connecting to my wifi network here at home
[13:22] <eagles0513875> knetwork manager is fudged
[13:23] <picketfence> :eagles:Join the club. ;-) How far can you get with it?
[13:23] <eagles0513875> nowhere
[13:23] <eagles0513875> im on wired
[13:23] <eagles0513875> im working on asking in some other channels im in
[13:23] <eagles0513875> its not a problem with the driver i know that for sure its a problem with knetwork manager
[13:23] <picketfence> Oooh, sorry. The radeon I used at least had minimal connection.
[13:24] <eagles0513875> radeon = video
[13:24] <picketfence> Oh, hang on a sec...
[13:27] <picketfence> Sorry about that. Had to reboot.
[13:27] <picketfence> Where was I?
[13:29] <eagles0513875> you should be able to connect to your wifi network but need to find another network manager to use
[13:29] <eagles0513875> !wifi
[13:29] <eagles0513875> !network
[13:30] <eagles0513875> picketfence: i would look in adept for a network manager alternative
[13:30] <picketfence> I'll do that after the updates are done.
[13:30] <picketfence> I was hoping the updater would help as well.
[13:31] <eagles0513875> im as updated as they come im on jaunty and still nothing
[13:31] <picketfence> How can I tell which one I'm on?
[13:32] <picketfence> All I know is Ubuntu 8.10
[13:32] <picketfence> Running KDE 9.04 Beta with either KDE 3.5.10 or 4.1
[13:32] <picketfence> I'm all confused about that.
[13:33] <eagles0513875> picketfence: it comes with 4.2
[13:34] <picketfence> On my loadup splash screen it has KDE4.1
[13:35] <eagles0513875> picketfence: are you on intrepid
[13:35] <eagles0513875> or the beta of jaunty
[13:35] <picketfence> I'm not sure. How do I find out?
[13:35] <eagles0513875> if in adept you enable the pre released repo and unsupported stuff and source and all that you be upgraded to 4.2
[13:35] <eagles0513875> !version | picketfence
[13:36] <picketfence> Intrepid
[13:36] <picketfence> Ubuntu 8.10
[13:37] <anw2> how can I make system to poweroff (and not prompting) after I press shutdown button (on keyboard) ...
[13:38] <cinex> anw2 its in the settings panel
[13:38] <eagles0513875> picketfence: you will be on 4.1 but you can get 4.2
[13:38] <eagles0513875> in adept you have to enable the pre relase repos and what not
[13:39] <picketfence> But isn't that risky?
[13:39] <fireup> picketfence you said you are on9.04??
[13:40] <cinex> aw2 are you using kde3 ?
[13:40] <cinex> anw2: are u using kde3?
[13:40] <anw2> yop | cinex
[13:40] <picketfence> I thought I had downloaded that one. Let me check to be sure.
[13:40] <fireup> lol
[13:40] <cinex> in system settings click the advanced tabs and then go to session manager
[13:40] <cinex> you can turn of the prompt there
[13:41] <cinex> untick confirm logout and untick offer shutdown options
[13:41] <eagles0513875> picketfence: you can upgrade via internet its on the kubuntu website on how to do that
[13:41] <anw2> now it shows window with only "Log out" button | cinex
[13:42] <cinex> unticke confirm logout
[13:42] <cinex> ?
[13:42] <picketfence> Oh, never mind. I guess I'm running Kubuntu 8.10
[13:42] <picketfence> I thought I had gotten the beta.
[13:42] <anw2> unticked: confirm logout, unticked: offer s/d options
[13:42] <cinex> and there is a defualt shutdown option needs to be turn of computer (for a guess)
[13:42] <fireup> picketfence you want to change your kde??
[13:43] <fireup> sudo apt-get update
[13:43] <picketfence> No, not really. my laptop works just fine.
[13:43] <fireup> then sudo apt-get kde4
[13:43] <picketfence> My friend's computer, however, doesn't want to connect to wireless.
[13:43] <picketfence> That's the one we are trying to fix.,
[13:43] <eagles0513875> mine doesnt connect either
[13:43] <cinex> mine does
[13:43] <eagles0513875> knetwork manager is bugged like no other
[13:43] <eagles0513875> not only does the wifi not work it doesnt keep a static ip
[13:43] <picketfence> I can't get b43-fwcutter properly
[13:44] <fireup> pppoe ppl pppoe the best internet for now :)
[13:44] <cinex> u can use the gnome network manager though.... has better 3g support i found
[13:44] <eagles0513875> cinex 3g O_O
[13:44] <cinex> the gnome one auto sets it up
[13:44] <cinex> i was super shocked
[13:44] <cinex> it was awesome
[13:44] <eagles0513875> cinex: it didnt do anything for me
[13:45] <anw2> grr ... damn kde, returning to gnome
[13:45] <cinex> anw2 at the login screen ?
[13:45] <picketfence> I wonder if Kubuntu 9.04 beta would be better for his computer after all...
[13:45] <eagles0513875> cinex: it didnt connect to my wifi :(
[13:45] <cinex> eagles0513875: do u have an odd wifi card?
[13:45] <fireup> anw_reallyaway lol
[13:45] <anw_reallyaway> default shutdown options disappear when I untick those option
[13:46] <fireup> ok what the f*** is happening to ubuntu
[13:46] <fireup> its ony getting worst
[13:46] <fireup> only
[13:46] <eagles0513875> cinex: this laptop is a broadcom and in it it has funnily enough the same model card as as my 4 yr old laptop a bcm4311 wifi card
[13:46] <fireup> i have used 7.10 since 2months ago
[13:46] <eagles0513875> i know my network though is using wpa2
[13:46] <cinex> anw_reallyaway: it should make you computer just do whatever you want when you push the power button. you may need to edit acpi settings too (ther eis a file somewhere) for laptops i think
[13:46] <fireup> 8.04 MAXIMUM 8.10 9.04 BADD
[13:47] <picketfence> Gotcha.  ;-)
[13:47] <fireup> the cover i think
[13:47] <cinex> using the b43 driver eagles0513875 ?
[13:47] <eagles0513875> ya i used the hard ware devices that detects restricted drivers
[13:47] <eagles0513875> i installed the proprietary wifi driver
[13:48] <eagles0513875> there was the driver that picketfence mention should i use that instead
[13:48] <cinex> try seeing if aircrack-ng can use it :P
[13:48] <eagles0513875> O_O
[13:48] <picketfence> The really strange part of this whole adventure is I had used Kubuntu on his computer before and it connected with little problem. Now it seems to just be plain stubborn.
[13:48] <eagles0513875> y crack my own wifi when i know the key
[13:49] <cinex> eagles0513875: i dunno, but if you can, then the card works; right?>
[13:49] <Dillizar> picketfence and the version you were using the last time was???
[13:49] <eagles0513875> i know i could connect on my old laptop
[13:49] <eagles0513875> using knetwork
[13:49] <picketfence> Kubuntu 8.10, same as now
[13:50] <picketfence> It's the only ISO I downloaded and am using
[13:50] <picketfence> .......for now.
[13:51] <picketfence> Broadcom is just being a pain, because several distros of Linux (Slackware 12.2 included) are refusing to use Broadcom.
[13:51] <picketfence> But on my laptop, with Atheros, all of them work just fine.
[13:51] <picketfence> ...with the exception of Slackware, but that's beside the point.
[13:52]  * Dillizar slaps picketfence
[13:52] <Dillizar> buy a new laptop or a new kubuntu :P
[13:52]  * picketfence cries softly
[13:53] <Dillizar> just kidding
[13:53] <picketfence> ;-)
[13:53] <Dillizar> so did you tried
[13:53] <picketfence> I really wish I could chuck his computer into the river
[13:53] <Dillizar> #network
[13:53] <anw2> is there any difference between poweroffing with "$ shutdown -P now" and KDE's poweroff button ??
[13:53] <Dillizar> #networks
[13:53] <picketfence> yeah. No help there.
[13:53] <Dillizar> hmm
[13:53] <Dillizar> you have a wifi
[13:54] <Dillizar> and it doesnt work
[13:54] <Dillizar> right
[13:54] <picketfence> It seems that every suggestion I am given comes up short of working properly.
[13:54] <picketfence> I just thought of something. Could it be that the Broadcom card itself went bad?
[13:54] <Riesh> picketfence: did you add cafuego's repos ?
[13:54] <anw2> i mean, if I comment out all KDE's actions in /acpi/powerbtn.sh and leave only shutdown command, would it be system-harmless ?
[13:55] <picketfence> :Riesh: No, simply because I have no clue where they are.
[13:55] <Dillizar> picketfence as i have been here for few hours
[13:55] <Riesh> http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/intrepid-cafuego
[13:55] <Dillizar> i didnt understand the problem
[13:55] <Riesh> add that to your source list
[13:56] <picketfence> :Riesh: I'll do that.
[13:56] <Riesh> and then apt-get update and apt-get install broadcom
[13:56] <picketfence> Dillzar: His wireless card worked before, then as I switched from Winblows to Ubuntu to Kubuntu, it got harder and harder to use the Broadcom
[13:56] <Riesh> That will install the firmware you need to use with the fwcutter software
[13:57]  * anw2
[13:57] <picketfence> :Riesh: I'll get right on that right after his computer finishes its current updates.
[13:57] <Riesh> OK
[13:57] <Dillizar> picketfence so the kubuntu cant regonize the card??
[13:57] <picketfence> :Riesh: Incidentally, where do I add that url?
[13:57] <picketfence> Dillzar: Correct.
[13:57] <Guest33665> hello guys
[13:57] <picketfence> Dillzar: It is connected now only by Ethernet
[13:58] <Riesh> picketfence: you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:58] <Guest33665> could anybody tell me the funktion of the signs "+" and "-" in the folder symbols
[13:58] <Riesh> and then add the URLs which are described on that page
[13:58] <Riesh> deb     http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/ intrepid-cafuego all
[13:58] <picketfence> :Riesh: I have to sudo gedit that, right?
[13:58] <Riesh> deb-src http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/ intrepid-cafuego all
[13:59] <Riesh> Yes
[13:59] <Dillizar> Guest33665 what? one the folder icon you have + - ??
[13:59] <Riesh> or any other editor
[13:59] <Riesh> but with sudo
[13:59] <Guest33665> @Dillizar, in the left upper corner are symbols. "+" and "-" if i click with the mouse, i can switch them
[14:00] <picketfence> :Riesh: The webpage warns not to add all, but be selective so Kubuntu doesn't break. Your thoughts on that?
[14:00] <Guest33665> for example in Konqueror
[14:00] <Dillizar> gimme a screen shot Guest33665
[14:00] <Riesh> do not install all the packages from that page ... you only ned broadcom
[14:00] <Riesh> need
[14:01] <picketfence> :Riesh: I understand now. I'm adding the urls now.
[14:01] <Riesh> if you have it working later, then maybe can comment out these lines in sources.list
[14:01] <Dillizar> Guest33665 http://picpaste.com/
[14:02] <Guest33665> file:///home/peter/Bilder/Bildschirmfoto1.png
[14:02] <Guest33665> sorry
[14:02] <Dillizar> ca va
[14:02] <picketfence> :Riesh: Strange - "sudo: gedit: command not found"?????
[14:03] <eagles0513875> cinex: on your wifi network what protocol are you using
[14:03] <eagles0513875> im using wpa2
[14:03] <eagles0513875> and doesnt seem to work with knetwork i dont think
[14:03] <Dillizar> Guest33665 go to the website i gave you a link
[14:03] <Guest33665> http://picpaste.com/Bildschirmfoto1.png
[14:03] <Dillizar> and past the pic
[14:03] <Dillizar> thanks
[14:03] <Riesh> picketfence: sudo kate
[14:03] <Guest33665> sorry, copy and paste to the wrong window
[14:03] <picketfence> got it, thx
[14:03] <Riesh> your using kde so use a kde editor and not a gnome one :-)
[14:03] <Dillizar> Guest33665 lol
[14:04] <Dillizar> Guest33665 ok
[14:04] <picketfence> :Riesh: Where exactly do I add the urls?
[14:04] <Guest33665> i mean the green "+" in the upper left corner
[14:04] <cinex> would it be a bad idea for 2 operating systems (one in a virtual machine) to share the same home parition at the same time ?
[14:04] <Dillizar> you dont want to have it ??
[14:04] <Riesh> just at the bottom
[14:04] <Dillizar> Guest33665 go to mouse and keyboard and put double clikc :D
[14:04] <Guest33665> i dont know for what these are?!
[14:04] <Dillizar> i think they are there because you use one click to open a window
[14:05] <eagles0513875> need to reboot me machine
[14:05] <eagles0513875> brb
[14:05] <fyl0n> Asus 1000H WIFI isn't working by default with Beta 9.04.. Is this normal??
[14:05] <Guest33665> i use doubleclick to open
[14:05] <picketfence> :Riesh: Ok, they are added. Now what do I do? Just update?
[14:05] <Dillizar> !jaunty > fyl0n
[14:05] <Riesh> sudo apt-get update ...
[14:06] <Riesh> to get the contents of this repo in you package cache
[14:06] <Dillizar> Guest33665 sorry i dont like kde 4.2 i have them too but i dont care why they are there :P
[14:06] <Riesh> after that sudo apt-get install broadcom
[14:06] <Dillizar> but nothig crucial
[14:07]  * Dillizar is not spelling very good a lot today
[14:07] <picketfence> :Riesh: I'll have to wait to do that, then. His computer is still updating.
[14:07] <Guest33665> Dillizar, noproblem. I think they have only function if you use one-click
[14:07] <Dillizar> now they are gone
[14:07] <Riesh> aha ... ok .. what exact version card you have ?
[14:07] <Dillizar> since you put double click??
[14:07] <Dillizar> Guest33665??
[14:08] <picketfence> :Riesh: I believe it is Broadcom 4302
[14:09] <eagles0513875> Riesh: whats the command to take a device up and down
[14:09] <RurouniJones> ifup / ifdown for network cards
[14:10] <eagles0513875> thanks RurouniJones for some reason drawing a blank on that
[14:10] <picketfence> :Riesh: Will you be here for a while?
[14:10] <Riesh> eagles0513875: "ifup wlan0" i think .... not sure what interface it will make when using the module
[14:10] <eagles0513875> Riesh: thanks
[14:11] <cinex> also: iwconfig down wlan0
[14:11] <cinex> ?>
[14:11] <cinex> or
[14:11] <Riesh> eagles0513875: or otherwise can try with /etc/init.d/networking restart| stop | start
[14:11] <eagles0513875> for some reason Riesh my wifi is showing up ass eth1 OO_O not sure if its the proprietary driver im using from the hardware drivers list
[14:11] <cinex> iwconfig stop
[14:11] <eagles0513875> i need to change drivers on mine its not workin right
[14:11] <cinex> eagles0513875: ndiswrapper?
[14:11] <eagles0513875> cinex: no need
[14:12] <picketfence> :Riesh: I'll be back within the hour to let you know how things went.
[14:12] <Riesh> picketfence: i'll hang a round  for a while
[14:12] <eagles0513875> there is a reverse engineered driver b43-fwcutter for my card and it works for me
[14:12] <eagles0513875> Riesh: im having the similar issue but with connecting to my wifi
[14:12] <cinex> the fwcutter is the firmware extractor
[14:12] <cinex> b43 is the driver
[14:12] <eagles0513875> cinex: thats enough to get it to work
[14:12] <eagles0513875> im on the proprietary driver right now and its not working right
[14:12] <eagles0513875> hi BluesKaj welcome to the connective chaos room
[14:13] <eagles0513875> brb guys
[14:13] <Riesh> There are two bw43 modules ...... one bw43 and one bw43_legacy
[14:13] <eagles0513875> nice just noticed that hardware drives app found my 56k modem
[14:13] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Folks
[14:13] <eagles0513875> Riesh: this is a 1 yr old machine
[14:14] <Riesh> depends on which firmware you take ... which kernel module you have to use
[14:14] <eagles0513875> how accurate is hardware drivers in picking that up
[14:15] <eagles0513875> there is a proprietary version Riesh would installing that in addition to the firmware do anything
[14:15] <eagles0513875> brb gonna reboot
[14:23] <Chiselhuk_plus1> Wot program can I use to run .3gp file in Ubuntu?
[14:23] <cinex> mplayer
[14:23] <cinex> Chiselhuk_plus1: you have to dump the contents first
[14:23] <cinex> something like
[14:23] <Chiselhuk_plus1> cinex: Why can it never be simple!! lol
[14:23] <ibrar> vlc can play that file
[14:23] <cinex> mplayer -dumvideo -dumpfile 3gpvideo; mplayer 3gpvideo <filename.3gp>
[14:24] <cinex> its dumpvideo
[14:24] <cinex> no dumvideo
[14:24] <Chiselhuk_plus1> cinex: Are u insinuating I'm dumb? :P
[14:24] <cinex> lol
[14:24] <eagles0513875> !offtopic | Chiselhuk_plus1
[14:25] <cinex> those commands are probably wrong but a quick look through the man file (use konqueror its huge) will let you find the right ones
[14:25] <eagles0513875> Riesh: im back
[14:25] <Chiselhuk_plus1> cinex: And can I just say u guys rock over  #ubuntu!! They are unhelpful 'n just ignore me!
[14:25] <cinex> tsk tsk
[14:25] <eagles0513875> now my wifi is showing wlan0 not eth1 like before
[14:25] <cinex> sounds promising eagles0513875
[14:26] <Riesh> Hmmm ... sounds more like a wireless lan
[14:26] <Riesh> :-)
[14:26] <eagles0513875> funny thing is i dont think i have the firmware or the proprietary driver installed
[14:26] <eagles0513875> Riesh: it was the proprietary drive thats in hardware drivers
[14:26] <cinex> eagles0513875: u need b43 and then run fwcutter
[14:27] <Riesh> eagles0513875: sorry, but i not really know how it all works with this broadcom chips
[14:27] <eagles0513875> Riesh: its ok
[14:27] <Riesh> having a Intel chip in my laptop myself
[14:27] <eagles0513875> cinex: i must install the the proprietary drive and the firmware
[14:28] <cinex> eagles0513875: no you musn't
[14:28] <eagles0513875> the proprietary driver is outa the question
[14:28] <eagles0513875> cuz that was what was turning it into eth1
[14:28] <picketfence> :Riesh: I'm seriously thinking about chucking his computer into the river and let the fishes deal with it.
[14:28] <cinex> sudo modprobe b43; sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[14:28] <eagles0513875> picketfence: lol wait i might be onto something
[14:28] <Riesh> eagles0513875: i think you need to get the firmware and cut out of that a piece you need to use with the kernel module bw43
[14:28] <cinex> should be all u need
[14:29] <eagles0513875> i already have the firmware installed
[14:29] <eagles0513875> the issue now becomes with connecting to a network
[14:29] <eagles0513875> knetworkmanager is fudged up the backside
[14:30] <cinex> when u install fw-cutter it should ask you if u want to download and extract the driver firmware: say yes
[14:30] <cinex> if it doesn't ask
[14:30] <cinex> try ls -l /lib/firmware
[14:30] <cinex> and see if u walready have it
[14:30] <cinex> try ls -l /lib/firmware/b43
[14:30] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875 , what router are you running ?
[14:30] <cinex> does it connect without encryption ?
[14:30] <eagles0513875> cinex: it did
[14:30] <cinex> are u using wep ?
[14:30] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: linksys
[14:31] <eagles0513875> cinex: wpa2
[14:31] <cinex> is the essid hidden ?
[14:31] <picketfence> I certainly hope so. Whatcha got?
[14:31] <picketfence> :Riesh: Are you available? I have a question about what happened when I did what you suggested.
[14:31] <Riesh> Yes ... what happened ?
[14:31] <eagles0513875> cinex: it finds it fine on windows and mac
[14:31] <cinex> you CAN connect manually without knetworkmanager
[14:31] <cinex> is it hidden ?
[14:31] <eagles0513875> no
[14:31] <eagles0513875> how can i manually connect with out it
[14:32] <cinex> sudo iwlist scan
[14:32] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875 , check you router's frequency , make sure it's not set to auto select , normal setting is usually channel6 on most LANs
[14:32] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: that i know its not
[14:32] <cinex> u manually connect, i believe with the iwconfig command
[14:32] <cinex> like, iwconfig wlan0 essid "name"
[14:32] <cinex> you will have to look into that
[14:32] <cinex> it gets alittle complicated
[14:32] <picketfence> :Riesh: GPG error: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net intrepid-cafuego Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 81600957AF425CB5
[14:33] <cinex> with encryption and stuff
[14:33] <eagles0513875> whats the command to bring an interface up again
[14:33] <cinex> iwconfig start wlan0 ?
[14:33] <cinex> or the ifup wlan0
[14:33] <Riesh> eagles0513875: because ubuntu is for a big part based on debian, their docs also work in ubuntu ... mostly :-P
[14:33] <Riesh> http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant
[14:33] <cinex> iwconfig wlan0 start
[14:33] <cinex> also, is your network card switched off?
[14:33] <eagles0513875> i think it is
[14:33] <Riesh> picketfence: annoying he did not mention on his page
[14:34] <picketfence> :Riesh: Agreed.
[14:34] <cinex> the iwconfig doesnt work
[14:34] <stepnem> iwconfig wlan0 up
[14:34] <cinex> but do: sudo iwlist scan
[14:34] <eagles0513875> how can i swithc it on
[14:34] <eagles0513875> ty Riesh
[14:35] <cinex> eagles0513875: some have actual physical switches on the laptop (to turn off the antenna
[14:35] <cinex> )
[14:35] <eagles0513875> there is but i cant tell if it is on or off its staying one color for me
[14:35] <cinex> is it finding it with a scan ?
[14:35] <cinex> sudo iwlist scan
[14:35] <eagles0513875> it saying wlan0 is down
[14:35] <Riesh> picketfence: the key he uses is on his front page
[14:36] <picketfence> :Riesh: Where? I don't see it.
[14:36] <cinex> iwconfig
[14:36] <Riesh> right upper corner
[14:36] <cinex> does that show your device?
[14:36] <eagles0513875> cinex: yes
[14:37] <picketfence> :Riesh: All I see in the upper right corner is a search box with Title and Text options
[14:37] <Riesh> on http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/
[14:38] <picketfence> :Riesh: oh, hang on.
[14:38] <cinex> what mode is it in ?
[14:38] <picketfence> :Riesh: Now I see it. But where do I type it?
[14:39] <Riesh> wget -q http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/cafuego.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update
[14:39] <Riesh> in a terminal
[14:39] <eagles0513875> cinex: its managed do i need to change it
[14:40] <cinex> no
[14:40] <picketfence> :Riesh: what does the "-O-" do?
[14:41] <Riesh> uuh ... send the output through the pipe (|) ?
[14:41] <mareczke> hi, i cannot add any printer in kde 4.2.1 can you helpme?
[14:41] <Riesh> :-) don't know ... this how it works with medibuntu
[14:41] <eagles0513875> cinex brb need a pit stop
[14:41] <Riesh> copied the command from there
[14:41] <picketfence> :Riesh: I hit enter, and it's working.
[14:41] <picketfence> :Riesh: Correction --done
[14:42] <cinex> sudo ifconfig wlan0 down
[14:42] <cinex> sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[14:42] <picketfence> :Riesh: Now I do the sudo apt-get install broadcom, right?
[14:42] <Riesh> ok ... apt-get install broadcom
[14:42] <Riesh> sudo ... b4 that yes
[14:43] <picketfence> :Riesh: "E: Couldn't find package broadcom"
[14:43] <picketfence> :(
[14:43] <Riesh> mmm ... apt-cache search broadcom ? gives which output ?
[14:43] <jpedroza> Good morning everyone. I am still having an issue where my laptop, an MSI 1719, thinks that the batter has reached critical level and shuts down, even though there are more than 3 hours of battery time left. I have tried everything I have found in Google, and can't seem to pin the issue down.
[14:43] <eagles0513875> cinex: im back
[14:44] <cinex> jpedroza: it is possible to tell kubuntu not to do anything when it thinks the battery is flat
[14:44] <cinex> and it will run untill it dies
[14:44] <jpedroza> cinex: I have set it to do nothing, it still gives me the message and powers down.
[14:44] <Riesh> But picketfence, i think other can be more helpfull, because they have the same hardware or had the same issues
[14:45] <eagles0513875> jpedroza: are you running intrepid or the jaunty beta
[14:45] <cinex> is there a setting int he bios? where did you set it ?
[14:45] <picketfence> :Riesh: (several lines to come)b43-fwcutter - Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firemware
[14:45] <jpedroza> eagles0513875: Intrepid
[14:45] <eagles0513875> just making sure
[14:45] <eagles0513875> !pastebin | picketfence
[14:45] <jpedroza> cinex: The only setting is to enable acpi or disable it, nothing else.
[14:45] <eagles0513875> cinex im gonna go check to see if its enabled in the bios brb
[14:45] <picketfence> :Riesh: bcm5700-source - module source for Broadcom's bcm5700 ehternet driver
[14:45] <cinex> erm, you see the battery monior on the tasktray ?
[14:45] <picketfence> oh
[14:45] <cinex> double click it.t here is a setting there
[14:46] <jpedroza> cinex: IT is set to do nothing
[14:46] <picketfence> :Riesh: b43-firmware - Broadcom b43 firmware
[14:46] <picketfence> :Riesh: That's all; those three lines.
[14:46] <cinex> well then, you need to find out which program is shutting it down
[14:46] <Riesh> aaaah ... seems that last one you need
[14:46] <Riesh> sudo apt-get install  b43-firmware
[14:47] <jpedroza> cinex: I have the output of lshal -m, but all it shows is the battery being removed and then it shuts down with no further output.
[14:47] <cinex> jpedroza: try booting into a text only enviroment and see if it still shuts down after 5 mins
[14:47] <cinex> oh
[14:47] <cinex> so your battery is being disconnected?
[14:47] <picketfence> :Riesh: Working...
[14:47] <jpedroza> cinex: It shows as being removed, but it is still present and powering the laptop. That is what is so confusing.
[14:48] <cinex> jpedroza: have you tried an oldeer version of kubuntu ?
[14:48] <Riesh> But seems cinex and eagles0513875know more about this specific hardware ... and how to make it work
[14:48] <cinex> Riesh: broadcom cards are easy (usually)
[14:49] <picketfence> http://paste.ubuntu.com/141433/
[14:49] <Riesh> cinex: just need to hack out some firmware part out of binary drivers to talk to the kernel module? :-)
[14:49] <jpedroza> cinex: I tried Jaunty on the same laptop, in the alpha 3 stage, and the issue cleared up. I think it might be a kernel issue, as there was a similar bug in Hardy
[14:49] <cinex> Riesh: b43-fwcutter deals with all that.
[14:49] <picketfence> :Riesh: that link is what showed up on my screen.
[14:49] <cinex> jpedroza: do u have an older kernel to fall back on?
[14:50] <picketfence> :cinex: I hope you don't mind I start paying attention to your convo, because I'm about to throw the laptop into the river with the fishes.
[14:50] <cinex> picketfence: your laptop ?
[14:50] <cinex> i thought it was eagles laptop
[14:50] <picketfence> :cinex: No, my laptop works just fine. I'm on it now. It's a friend of mine who has the broken laptop.
[14:51] <picketfence> :cinex: No, I don't know eagles
[14:51] <Riesh> OKOK ... ... cinex ... can you please show picketfence the path to enlightement :-) ... i do not have broadcom hardware and do not know what to do with this packages
[14:51] <cinex> with a broadcom problem ?
[14:51] <picketfence> :cinex: most definitely
[14:51] <cinex> lsmod |grep b43
[14:51] <picketfence> :cinex: in a terminal, right?
[14:51] <cinex> yeah
[14:51] <jpedroza> cinex: Let me check and see what prev. kernels I still have.
[14:51] <picketfence> :cinex: Do I have to sudo?
[14:51] <cinex> probably
[14:52] <Riesh> picketfence: if no output, do: "sudo modprobe bw43"
[14:52] <cinex> not bw
[14:52] <cinex> try b43 first
[14:52] <Riesh> ah
[14:53] <Riesh> sorry
[14:53] <cinex> there is like 3
[14:53] <cinex> unless you've looked it up on the website?
[14:53] <Riesh> no
[14:53] <cinex> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supportedchiptypes
[14:54] <cinex> eagles0513875:
[14:54] <cinex> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supportedchiptypes
[14:55] <picketfence> http://paste.ubuntu.com/141435/
[14:55] <cinex> mine is a 4312
[14:55] <eagles0513875> where do u get the patches from cinex
[14:55] <eagles0513875> mine is a 4311 rev 2
[14:55] <cinex> eagles0513875: supported with b43 ?
[14:55] <picketfence> :cinex: the paste is what showed up after lsmod |grep b43
[14:56] <cinex> ok
[14:56] <cinex> picketfence: do this: lspci -vnn | grep 14e4
[14:56] <picketfence> :Riesh: sudo modprobe b43 returned nothing
[14:56] <cinex> picketfence: it is already loaded
[14:56] <eagles0513875> ya its a supported chip time cinex but it says bcm4311 rev 2 / bcm4312 (needs patches for 2.6.24)
[14:56] <Riesh> picketfence: i said "if no output" :-) ....
[14:57] <Riesh> seems you clearly got output
[14:57]  * picketfence feels sheepish
[14:57] <picketfence> sorry
[14:57] <Riesh> :-)
[14:57] <Riesh> np
[14:57] <Riesh> no output means the module is not loaded
[14:57] <Riesh> it seems it is loaded ... so no need to load it again
[14:57] <picketfence> :cinex: What are you looking for? I have a Network controller and an Ethernet controller, both Broadcom. Should I paste the output from that?
[14:58] <eagles0513875> just found broadcom irc channel from the site cinex gave me
[14:58] <cinex> 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11a/b/g [14e4:4312] (rev 02)
[14:58] <eagles0513875> im gonna go in there
[14:58] <picketfence> :Riesh: Ok, I understand. I'm still learning this. :-)
[14:58] <cinex> is mine picketfence
[14:58] <eagles0513875> picketfence: channel is #bcm-users
[14:58] <cinex>  [14e4:4312] <-- need that bit
[14:59] <eagles0513875> picketfence: feel free to follow me in there
[14:59] <cinex> there is always bcm43xx
[14:59] <picketfence> 02:04.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4320] (rev03)
[14:59] <picketfence> :eagles0513875: I'll be there in a bit. Thx! :-)
[14:59] <eagles0513875> no prob
[15:00] <eagles0513875> cinex thanks for the site
[15:00] <picketfence> :cinex: Is that good or bad?
[15:00] <eagles0513875> just have to find where to get the patches
[15:00] <cinex> picketfence: sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[15:01] <cinex> eagles0513875: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-old ?
[15:01] <eagles0513875> mine is rev2 which requires the patches for the kernel
[15:01] <picketfence> b43-fwcutter is already the newest version.
[15:01] <cinex> picketfence: ls -l /lib/firmware/b43
[15:01] <picketfence> :cinex: The message also suggests I use apt-get autoremove to remove no longer required packages.
[15:02] <cinex> that's up to you picketfence
[15:02] <picketfence> :;;cinex: ok. do I have to sudo that last one?
[15:02] <cinex> yes
[15:03] <picketfence> :cinex: It scrolled a long list of stuff.
[15:03] <cinex> k
[15:03] <cinex> don't see why it ouldn't work then...
[15:03] <cinex> 4320 isn't listed though
[15:03] <cinex> you will have to use ndiswrapper
[15:04] <picketfence> :cinex: hate to bug you, but could you walk me through that?
[15:04] <cinex> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[15:04] <cinex> u will need the windows driver
[15:04] <picketfence> !!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:05] <picketfence> :cinex: You've got to be kidding.....
[15:05] <cinex> that's what ndiswrapper is. it uses the windows driver
[15:05] <eagles0513875> cinex: warning i found that ndiswrapper has been split into 3 packages on kubuntu
[15:05] <eagles0513875> !ndiswrapper
[15:05] <eagles0513875> !info ndiswrapper
[15:05] <eagles0513875> its there but under a different name
[15:06] <picketfence> :eagles: Do you know what name?
[15:07] <eagles0513875> picketfence: ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[15:07] <eagles0513875> those 2 actually
[15:07] <picketfence> Stupid question time: I would have to download the windows driver before installing ndiswrapper or whatever, right?
[15:07] <picketfence> :eagles: Hey, those look familiar. I think I already installed those. Let me check
[15:07] <eagles0513875> those make up what used to be the 1 package called ndiswrapper
[15:08] <EagleScreen> hello
[15:08] <EagleScreen> there is koversation for KDE4
[15:08] <EagleScreen> :D
[15:08] <rosco_y> can you migrate 32 bit ubuntu to 64 bits?
[15:09] <picketfence> What's the other installer other than Adept?
[15:09] <rosco_y> would anyone advise against going to 64 bit ubuntu?
[15:09] <picketfence> Starts with an "s"
[15:09] <picketfence> Synaptic?
[15:09] <RurouniJones> rosco_y: Yes
[15:09] <RurouniJones> Unless you have busted the 32bit RAM limit
[15:10] <EagleScreen> picketfence you have synaptic and Kpackagekit in jaunty
[15:10] <rosco_y> RurouniJones: yes, it can be done, or yes you advise against it
[15:10] <rosco_y> not even close
[15:10] <RurouniJones> I don't see any reason to go 64bit.
[15:10] <cinex> http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-to-setup-broadcom-wireless-bcm4312.html
[15:10] <EagleScreen> 64 bit increase around 30% CPU speed
[15:10] <EagleScreen> but consume around 30% more of RAM
[15:11] <picketfence> I've used Synaptic before, but now I can't find it.
[15:11] <EagleScreen> picketfence if you use kubuntu, I recommend you "sudo aptitude -R installa synaptic" to install it
[15:11] <EagleScreen>  "sudo aptitude -R install synaptic"
[15:11] <picketfence> I just realized that synaptic is on my laptop, not his.
[15:12] <RurouniJones> rosco_y: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=368607
[15:13] <picketfence> Installing it now.
[15:13] <RurouniJones> 30% CPU speed increase is pretty wrong
[15:13] <picketfence> Back to the Winblows driver...I have to download it before installing ndiswrapper, right?
[15:13] <RurouniJones> in a few applications you will see a speed increase. Read the guide and have a look fer yourself.
[15:14] <EagleScreen> I mean CPU is faster in 30% with 64bit
[15:14] <EagleScreen> sorry me English is poor
[15:14] <cinex> picketfence: you just need to get the inf file out
[15:14] <cinex> hold on, ill check something
[15:14] <RurouniJones> EagleScreen: Still wrong
[15:14] <cinex> picketfence: you will need the driver. You need to cabextract it
[15:15] <cinex> see the link i pasted above
[15:15] <RurouniJones> The CPU is faster in some areas on 64bit. Things like video processing and stuff that requires lots and lots of maths and is designed to take advantage.
[15:15] <picketfence> :cinex: Ok, working on it. Oh, and there are 3 packages...ndisgrk; ndiswrapper-utils-1.9; ndiswrapper-common
[15:15] <RurouniJones> but saying "it is 30% faster" as a general statement is just wrong in my opinion.
[15:15] <cinex> rosco_y: 64bit (from what i hear) has touble with things like flash
[15:15] <EagleScreen> yes, I know you have reason
[15:15] <RurouniJones> cinex: That is reasonably fixed now
[15:16] <cinex> k
[15:16] <RurouniJones> You shouldn't have problems with firefox / flash on 64bit, I haven'ted tested myself though.
[15:16] <eagles0513875> RurouniJones: im having issues with flash
[15:16] <eagles0513875> havent installed teh 64bit version yet though
[15:17] <picketfence> :cinex: I just follow the instructions on that webpage and it should work?
[15:17] <cinex> i dunno, they seem somewhat overkill.
[15:17] <RurouniJones> eagles0513875: I think flash player 10 was the one with 64 bit compatibility on linux. Again I am not totally familiar with the process
[15:17] <cinex> install ndiswrapper and get the driver, install cabextract too
[15:17] <cinex> ill walk you through it
[15:18] <picketfence> :cinex: Great, I'm all ears.  or eyes.  or whatever
[15:18] <cinex> tell when you have  everything
[15:18] <eagles0513875> RurouniJones: someone told me earlier its still beta
[15:18] <picketfence> :cinex: you mean like the driver and stuff?
[15:18] <cinex> yeah
[15:18] <picketfence> 'k. brb
[15:18] <cinex> from the laptop website?
[15:18] <cinex> or the cd
[15:19] <RurouniJones> eagles0513875: Righto.
[15:19] <rosco_y> shoot, so I just made a huge mistake "upgrading" to 64 bit hardware?
[15:19] <rosco_y> That's a downer
[15:19] <rosco_y> I should have spent the extra cash on a nicer 32 bit system
[15:20] <cinex> nah
[15:20] <RurouniJones> Nah
[15:20] <RurouniJones> Pretty much all CPU hardware is 64 bit now
[15:20] <eagles0513875> rosco_y: all hardware is both 64 32
[15:20] <RurouniJones> Er no
[15:20] <RurouniJones> you have 32bit and 64bit CPUs
[15:20] <RurouniJones> 64bit can do both but 32bit can't do 64bit.
[15:20] <rosco_y> eagles0513875: but I just blew my piddling savings on a 64 bit proc
[15:21] <eagles0513875> RurouniJones: thats what i mean
[15:21] <cinex> 64bit lets u have more ram... that's about it
[15:21] <eagles0513875> rosco_y: i use both 64bit linux and windows no problems
[15:21] <RurouniJones> rosco_y: Pretty much ALL the modern CPUs are 64-bit
[15:21] <RurouniJones> So don't worry about it
[15:21] <Dragnslcr> I don't think Intel or AMD sell 32-bit processors anymore
[15:22] <rosco_y> eagles0513875: I can't boot my windows server anymore--it doesn't detect my usb keyboard and mouse
[15:22] <Dragnslcr> At least not in any major retailer
[15:22] <eagles0513875> my desktop is bouth 32 64
[15:22] <eagles0513875> rosco_y: thats for the windows channel
[15:22] <rosco_y> eagles0513875: what do you mean?
[15:22] <eagles0513875> its an intel core2 quad q9550
[15:22] <RurouniJones> Dragnslcr: I think Intel still do 32bit celerons but that is it.
[15:22] <eagles0513875> if i want to i can use a 32 bit os
[15:22] <Dragnslcr> eagles0513875- you mean it's a 64-bit processor
[15:22] <eagles0513875> ya
[15:22] <eagles0513875> its 64bit capable but u can still use 32bit
[15:22] <eagles0513875> !offtopic
[15:22] <eagles0513875> c u guys in there
[15:23] <eagles0513875> taking the channel offtopic
[15:23] <Dragnslcr> eagles0513875- all 64-bit processors can run 32-bit versions of software
[15:23] <rosco_y> eagles0513875: I'm running my 32 bit ubuntu right now, but I thought it would be good to upgrade to 64 bit, or migrate if that was possible
[15:23] <eagles0513875> rosco_y: im on 64bit kubuntu and i love it
[15:23] <RurouniJones> rosco_y: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
[15:24] <RurouniJones> being 32 bit ain't broke.
[15:24] <rosco_y> RurouniJones: I dunno how to turn get my audio working--this peace and quiet is driving me nuts
[15:24] <eagles0513875> my audio works outa the box for me
[15:24] <picketfence> :cinex: I've downloaded the driver and extracted the .zip. I am now left with a .sys, .inf, and a .cat
[15:25] <rosco_y> eagles0513875: what audio chipset do you have?
[15:25] <RurouniJones> rosco_y: Separate question. So give us the details. Hardware? Drivers? Can you see the hardware? What does kmix show?
[15:26] <rosco_y> my alsamixer shows Realtec ALC888
[15:26] <eagles0513875> mine is an nvidia mcp51 HD audio chipset
[15:27] <RurouniJones> rosco_y: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558069 <- result of a quick google
[15:27] <RurouniJones> Might be applicable to you
[15:27] <rosco_y> RurouniJones: thanks :)
[15:28] <rosco_y> cool, I think that may help me out with my audio
[15:28] <rosco_y> I haveta bring my son to the Dr.'s....be back in an hour or two...
[15:32] <Raylz> what kind of networkmanager applet are you using in kubuntu?
[15:33] <eagles0513875> default knetwork manager for wired connections and wifi
[15:35] <aigars> #kubuntu
[15:37] <Idhan> java applications such as netbeans, use a very fanny font.. is there any way to improve them?
[15:37] <Idhan> such as antialising
[15:38] <ubuntu_> so how do you like kde guys
[15:40] <trappist> ubottu: if you're looking for an unbiased opinion of kde, you've come to one of the worst possible places
[15:40] <trappist> I mean
[15:40] <trappist> bah
[15:41] <eagles0513875> i just need the kernel header source to in order to compile the kernel from source
[15:41] <eagles0513875> trappist: lol nice one
[15:45] <eagles0513875> !kernel
[15:46] <alepot> |stages
[15:47] <alepot> !stages
[16:05] <cinex> eagles0513875:
[16:05] <cinex> did u fix it yet ?
[16:06]  * picketfence throws a gold medal around cinex's neck.
[16:06] <picketfence> :cinex: Thank you so much.
[16:06] <cinex> np
[16:09]  * cinex pokes eagles0513875
[16:20] <Blues-Man> hi
[16:20] <Blues-Man> how to read the content of a .iso with dolphin?
[16:21] <Blues-Man> or is there another tool to do it with kde
[16:21] <fosco__> Blues-Man, right clic on the iso file and choose mount
[16:22] <Blues-Man> thank you
[16:32] <Haza> http://imagebin.ca/view/bT0xyN.html  <--- thoughts? :D
[16:36] <LjL> Haza: no idea off hand, but there's an I/O error in there - is that from a live CD or a HD install?
[16:36] <Haza> LjL: HD install
[16:37] <LjL> Haza: i would use "smartmontools" to make sure your HD isn't faulty
[16:37] <Haza> LjL: Perfect advice! Thank you
[16:37] <LjL> Haza: you can use a live cd to install smartmontools if you're unable to do it from your ubuntu install
[16:38] <DF5JT> Hi everyone.
[16:38] <DF5JT> I did a fresh Jaunty beta install on my brand new T60p. It only recognizes one CPU.
[16:38] <Haza> LjL: Its okay, after shaking the tower like a British nanny shakes a baby i was able to get the OS to boot from the HD :)
[16:39] <LjL> Haza: err, do you mean that literally?
[16:39] <DF5JT> 2.6.28-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 27 09:00:52 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:39] <reddragon2005> :cinex: This is picketfence.
[16:39] <reddragon2005> :cinex: The b44 module didn't work at all, so I reverted to b43.
[16:39] <DF5JT> It's an SMP kernel and on anothe T60 both CPU cores work. Any ideas?
[16:39] <Haza> LjL: lol, no. But i suspect it might be (if not the OS) the SATA cables
[16:40] <LjL> Haza: ah, i was starting to really worry for you if you had meant it literally :)
[16:40] <LjL> Haza: yes, it might be the cables if it's not the HD itself
[16:40] <Haza> I just wanted to run it past you lot here to see if you could say "yeah thats an OS problem, reinstall"
[16:40] <LjL> Haza, it *might* an OS problem, i don't really know
[16:40] <LjL> Haza: it's just that "I/O error" that would make me check for hardware problems first
[16:41] <LjL> Haza: besides, i can't see the whole error in the photo, but it says "sda, sector ....." - i guess it goes on to say a sector couldn't be read?
[16:41] <Haza> LjL: When i goto reboot i will take a better picture
[16:41] <Haza> actually... there were some other funky errors i never got a shot of
[16:42] <LjL> Haza: well, if smartmontools doesn't find anything special, run a memtest too (from the GRUB menu) - bad RAM might sometimes give the symptoms of a bad HD, i believe
[16:42] <reddragon2005> Does anyone know if eagles0513875 fixed his/her problem with Broadcom?
[16:43] <Haza> LjL: Cheers mate. I have a direction to move in now.I'll keep the channel posted :)
[16:44] <reddragon2005> Sorry, must go. I'll be back later to see if I can help anyone.
[16:48] <ayram> there are an irc, languaje spanish?
[16:49] <trappist> !es
[16:49] <ayram> thank you!!!! (K)
[16:49] <ayram> xD
[16:50] <ayram> ?
[16:50] <ayram> ok ;)
[16:50] <jayhunold> !tablet
[16:52] <ayram> i'm still confused ¬¬ why? this OS is hard :'(
[16:53] <ayram> i can't install a SW
[16:53] <ayram> where is my .exe?
[16:53] <raphink> ayram: what can't you install?
[16:53] <ayram> skins for aMSN
[16:54] <raphink> ah
[16:54] <ayram> xD
[16:54]  * raphink hasn't used aMSN is years
[16:54] <ayram> xD
[16:54]  * raphink doesn't see the use of aMSN
[16:55] <raphink> ayram: why do you need aMSN?
[16:55]  * stepnem doesn't even know what than aMSN is
[16:56] <raphink> stepnem: aMSN is a MSN/Windows Live client
[16:56] <raphink> it was great some years ago when no other client (pidgin or kopete) supported the MSN protocol well
[16:56]  * stepnem could guess that, yeah
[16:56] <raphink> especially for the voice/webcam
[16:56] <raphink> but now I don't really see the point
[16:56] <ayram> thank you... i'm sorry i don't know very much english, i'll go to IRC spanish ;)
[16:56] <raphink> and it doesn't really integrate in KDE, too
[16:56] <raphink> ayram: no problema
[16:57] <ayram> ¬¬ aMSN y a enviroment more "cool"
[16:57] <ayram> i dislake pidgin
[16:57] <ayram> xD
[16:57] <raphink> ayram: did you try kopete?
[16:57] <ayram> no friendly
[16:57] <raphink> pidgin is a gtk program, it's more fitted for GNOME
[16:57] <raphink> kopete is not friendly?
[16:57] <ayram> no, pidgin
[16:58] <raphink> ah
[16:58] <raphink> :)
[16:58] <ayram> kopete is in KDE? but like aMSN it's...
[16:58] <ayram> a MSN xD
[16:58] <ayram> but in linux xD
[16:58] <ayram> :P
[16:58] <raphink> kopete is the default IM client in KDE
[16:59] <ayram> i have GNOME :(
[16:59] <raphink> and it does MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, AIM, IRC, Jabber, Gadu-gadu, and more
[16:59] <stepnem> lol
[16:59] <raphink> ayram: why are you asking questions on #kubuntu if you use GNOME ? ;)
[16:59] <stepnem> !GNOME
[16:59] <ayram> buuuuuut.... ¬¬   ...
[17:00] <ayram> xD this is a good idea!
[17:00] <raphink> ayram: this channel is about kubuntu, so everybody here use KDE (I would expect)
[17:00] <raphink> ayram: have you tried KDE btw ? ;)
[17:00] <ayram> i want KDE enviroment, but i install the Ubuntu in my computer...
[17:00] <raphink> then install kde :)
[17:00] <raphink> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:00] <raphink> :)
[17:01] <raphink> or you can use synaptic, select the kubuntu-desktop package and validate
[17:01] <ayram> thank, (i don't know english, but i understand... i don't know if you understand me, but i'm trying) :S :S
[17:02] <raphink> I sure do
[17:03] <raphink> ayram: do you know how to use a console?
[17:03] <ayram> thank you, i need go to my classroom, the teacher is very very  very...
[17:03] <raphink> very?
[17:03] <ayram> how do you say gruñon?
[17:04] <ayram> i don't know use a console
[17:04] <ayram> commands nothing!!!!
[17:04] <ayram> :'(
[17:04] <raphink> grumpy
[17:04] <ayram> what is this?
[17:05] <raphink> gruñon = grumpy
[17:05] <ayram> i need learn more about this... ¬_¬
[17:05] <ayram> thank you!!!
[17:05] <ayram> xD
[17:05] <ayram> where i can find a tutorial about console linux?
[17:06] <raphink> there's tons
[17:06] <raphink> you learn as it goes
[17:06] <raphink> you can control everything on a computer with the console
[17:06] <raphink> so it's a large subject
[17:06] <ayram> :S my teacher<EMAIL_ADDRESS>sorry
[17:06] <ayram> good Bye!!!!!! :S
[17:15] <DrMrHorse> theres a simple way to access wireless networks in kde4 right?
[17:17] <eagles0513875> DrMrHorse: knetworkmanager
[17:20] <DrMrHorse> from the command line i guess
[17:21] <DrMrHorse> i was thinking there would be a little symbol to click like kde3, gnome, windows, etc
[17:22] <stepnem> DrMrHorse: knetworkmanager is GUI frontend
[17:22] <|PaperTiger|> Having trouble setting up a dual screen display. ATi Catalyst Control Centre installed. Don't know what settings. Tried a few, but none work how I want. I want it so I have an extended desktop
[17:22] <DrMrHorse> i couldnt find that from the kmenu
[17:23] <DrMrHorse> maybe ill look again
[17:26] <DrMrHorse> knetworkmanager isnt installed by default?
[17:28] <stepnem> dunno, KDE 3.5.10 here, was installed by default
[17:28] <DrMrHorse> i know, thats what i was using. im trying out kde4, and it makes me rage
[17:29] <stepnem> it used to make me rage too, that's why I see no point to use it...
[17:29] <DrMrHorse> inb4 im not ready for the stunning new philosophy of kde4
[17:29] <DrMrHorse> i wanted to get used to it so that, come april of this year, i would still have support for my desktop
[17:30] <stepnem> but I faintly remember there was knetworkmanager in KDE4 by default
[17:30] <fergie> Hi
[17:31] <stepnem> !hi > fergie
[17:31] <DrMrHorse> i installed kde from the gnome install of 8.10, and theres no wireless support installed
[17:31] <DrMrHorse> so i would have to plug in to install it
[17:31] <stepnem> oh...
[17:31] <DrMrHorse> and thats fail.
[17:32] <DrMrHorse> but i guess ill save my bitching for my family and friends
[17:32] <alepot> DrMrHorse: there's been a lot of discussion about this on the Debian users mailing list
[17:33] <alepot> there are solutions
[17:57] <nahaz> Need help with alsa in kubuntu 8.10
[17:58] <nahaz> Can only use sound as root
[18:00] <nahaz> ok I solved the problem with installing newest driver from alsa
[18:06]  * diabu is away: I'm busy
[18:06]  * diabu is back (gone 00:00:06)
[18:06]  * diabu is away: guitar
[18:09] <zakizaki7> help
[18:09] <zakizaki7> bonjour
[18:10] <zakizaki7> hello all
[18:10] <zakizaki7> can i get help ??
[18:10] <stepnem> !ask | zakizaki7
[18:13] <zakizaki7> is it possible to install kubuntu on a usb drive(not a live usb) ?if it's possible how to do it ?
[18:13] <Dragnslcr> !usb
[18:14] <Dragnslcr> Second link is probably what you want
[18:18] <EagleScreen> hello
[18:18] <EagleScreen> if you want konversatio for KDE4 you can download it from here http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=konversation&searchon=names&suite=experimental&section=all
[18:22] <francescotorelli> ciao a tutti
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> !it
[18:23] <ubuntu_> no me reconoce el paqeute :S
[18:24] <juacom99> ahora si
[18:24] <juacom99> no me reconoce el paqeute :S
[18:25] <stepnem> !es | juacom99
[18:25] <juacom99> stepnem: sorry i thouth i was opn kubuntu-es
[18:26] <juacom99> my bad
[18:26] <stepnem> :D
[18:26] <stepnem> ahora si!
[18:26] <juacom99> thanks
[18:38] <alumno__> :)
[18:40] <loganWHD> hey all
[18:40]  * genii sips his coffee
[18:40] <loganWHD> anyone here have dual monitors working with Kubuntu 8.04, ati 1440, dell 9400
[18:41] <julia_ex-xp> hey guys. I'd like to install resolvconf without having a working internet connection. How do I install this software (I'm newbie ;))
[18:42] <loganWHD> i have tried a few things
[18:42] <loganWHD> but nothing works
[18:42] <loganWHD> just gives me a blank screen
[18:43] <drbobb> hello, is ktorrent's upnp plugin nonfunctional, or is something wrong with my router?
[18:46] <alepot> drbobb: suspect it's your router
[18:46] <loganWHD> anyone?
[18:46] <genii> julia_ex-xp: Look up the dependencies of it at packages.ubuntu.com and download those as well (on some machine which does have internet). Then copy them all into the /var/cache/apt/archives dir of the box without internet. Should be able to install by command line with something like:  sudo apt-get install resolvconf
[18:46] <drbobb> alepot: does upnp work for you?
[18:46] <alepot> yes
[18:47] <alepot> or it did, when I went through a router that had it enabled
[18:47] <genii> loganWHD: Tried putting as a kernel load option: vga      ?
[18:47] <badr> hallo all
[18:47] <drbobb> you are sure your ktorrent gets to see inbound connections?
[18:47] <alepot> yes
[18:47] <loganWHD> genii, no and i dont know how to do that?
[18:47] <alepot> and nmap from outside shows the ports as open
[18:47] <drbobb> it used to work for me a couple of upgrades back, too
[18:48] <drbobb> my router hasn't changed since then, while ktorrent has
[18:48] <rogal> Anybody know a hex calc for kde ?
[18:48] <drbobb> any idea how to diagnose what's failing?
[18:48] <genii> loganWHD: Hit ESC when grub begins, edit the line which has at the end something like "splash"  and add after that:   vga      then enter and boot from the changed line
[18:48] <alepot> drbobb: no idea, sorry.
[18:49] <alepot> drbobb: not firewalled locally is it?
[18:49] <drbobb> nope
[18:49] <julia_ex-xp> thankls genii, which package do I need?
[18:49] <alepot> drbobb: which version
[18:50] <genii> julia_ex-xp: It's called resolvconf
[18:50] <genii> Work needs me for a few minutes, AFK
[18:50] <loganWHD> rogal, i use galculator
[18:50] <loganWHD> it can do hex
[18:51] <loganWHD> genii, is thre a file i can add that to
[18:51] <alepot> drbob: 2.2.5 KDE 3.5.10 here
[18:51] <claudio_> hi
[18:52] <claudio_> could anyone help me,can he explain me how can i install cor example a C++ programmer application on Linux Ubuntu 8.04????
[18:52] <alepot> sudo aptiotude install kdevelop
[18:52] <alepot> *aptitude
[18:52] <claudio_> and what is kdevelop?
[18:52] <alepot> !kdevelop
[18:53] <claudio_> i understand
[18:53] <claudio_> could anyone help me
[18:53] <loganWHD> genii, i just add the word VGA thee?
[18:53] <loganWHD> there?
[18:53] <alepot> it's a multi-language development platform
[18:53] <claudio_> i am making a project
[18:53] <claudio_> and i need hep
[18:53] <claudio_> a
[18:53] <claudio_> so,i can use it for java files?
[18:53] <claudio_> or cpp and c++ files?
[18:53] <alepot> yes, although youy'd be better using eclips or netbeans for that, perhaps
[18:54] <alepot> multi-language
[18:54] <claudio_> yes
[18:54] <claudio_> now i am using netbeans ide 6.0
[18:54] <claudio_> but do you know how can i use net beans for c++ files?
[18:55] <alepot> http://www.kdevelop.org/
[18:55] <claudio_> thx
[18:55] <claudio_> last question
[18:56] <alepot> I believe netbeans knows how to edit C files, and I'm sure there is some way to tell the build system how to make them
[18:56] <claudio_> can i use netbeans for c++ files?
[18:56] <alepot> but that's a question best researched on the netbeans website
[18:57] <claudio_> ok,thx very much
[18:57] <claudio_> have a good day/resto of the day
[18:57] <claudio_> bye
[18:58] <loganWHD> isnt that just like editing the lilo?
[18:58] <alepot> claudio_: http://www.netbeans.org/features/cpp/
[18:59] <genii> loganWHD: If you can boot to livecd, mount the hd on which /boot is on and add it to the same line of file /boot/grub/menu.lst
[18:59] <claudio_> ok.....the beeest
[18:59] <Idhan> someone here know how to set netbeans_C++ to compile in parallel?
[18:59] <genii> loganWHD: It is lowercase vga and not uppercase VGA  as well
[19:00]  * Blues-Man gotext.org code once, SMS everywhere
[19:03] <loganWHD> so i just put the line vgo
[19:04] <stefanlsd> Riddell: heys. That tripod patch is inline as no current patch systems exists in the package. I can put one in if you would like, but the package should be sync'd from debian next time, and we have no other changes, as they are also going through the same transition.
[19:04] <claudio_> does anyone what is the iwconfig?
[19:05] <stefanlsd> claudio_: wireless config
[19:05] <claudio_> yes
[19:05] <claudio_> and at what it servs?
[19:06] <loganWHD> gonna go try
[19:06] <stefanlsd> claudio_: man iwconfig
[19:08] <claudio_> ok,done,thx,now i understand
[19:11] <claudio_> what means this?  "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers"
[19:12] <xt> that your aptitude doesnt have Super Cow Powers
[19:13] <claudio_> i am from italy,and the mean is unknown for me
[19:14] <stefanlsd> claudio_: its a joke.
[19:14] <claudio_> and what means
[19:14] <afeijo> where do I configure my apache? httpd.conf is empty
[19:16] <alepot> claudio_: you forgot to tell it what to do or made a typo in the command line
[19:16] <alepot> afeijo: apache2.conf or somewhere in /etc/apache2/conf.d
[19:17] <stefanlsd> claudio_: apt-get moo
[19:18] <afeijo> alepot: thanks, I'm trying to enable rewrite module, not easy to find it
[19:20] <stefanlsd> claudio_: try join #ubuntu-it-chat       ,  they can answer stuff in italian
[19:20] <jtholmes> ajeijo  /etc/apache2/sites-available/default if you are on  [ku]buntu
[19:21] <alepot> afeijo: a2enmod rewrite
[19:22] <afeijo> wow, thanks a lot alepot !!!
[19:23] <alepot> afeijo: you're welcome
[19:23] <afeijo> jtholmes: I was looking in that folder, I use kubuntu, but alepot worked
[19:24] <afeijo> now I have a annoying visual stuff that I need to find how to disable, when I move my mouse cursor, it change the focused window to the one bellow the mouse! damn :)
[19:24] <|PaperTiger|> Having trouble setting up a dual screen display. ATi Catalyst Control Centre installed. Don't know what settings. Tried a few, but none work how I want. I want it so I have an extended desktop
[19:25] <alepot> afeijo: jtholmes' solution would be good for individual virtual hosts. a2enmod enables modules globally
[19:25] <afeijo> alepot: its ok, this is for my notebook, I will use to personal php devel
[19:27] <afeijo> ouch, my FN+F# keys dont reduce the audio volume :(
[19:30] <jtholmes> alepot good to know
[19:31] <kjelle> Hello. I have just installed the latest Kubuntu, and I'm trying to get rid of a very annoying feature: The exploding windows. I have disabled Explosion (in System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> All Effects -> Explosion), but it does not seem to stop. What gives?
[19:31] <loganWHD> genii, no go bro
[19:31] <alepot> afeijo: try ststem settings - regional and language - keyboard layout. There are lots to choose from
[19:31] <loganWHD> borked my X doing that
[19:34] <Donald> i need help installing kubuntu on my macbook
[19:35] <alepot> |macbook
[19:35] <kjelle> Noone knows?
[19:35] <demmon> how can turn on HIDE on my  kasbar
[19:35] <alepot> !macbook
[19:35] <Donald> i asked several other people and they all told me to go to this site
[19:35] <alepot> kjelle: you may need to logout and login for it to take effect?
[19:36] <kjelle> alepot: a reboot did not help
[19:37] <alepot> ok - check the permissions on your .kde folder sudo chown -R $USER.$USER $USER/.kde
[19:38] <kjelle> alepot: how was I able to enable it, but not disable it? :)
[19:38] <kjelle> checking perms
[19:39] <alepot> kjelle: I'm not at all sure why it happens but I've seen similar things a couple of times here over the last few year
[19:39] <alepot> I've always put it down to finger trouble :)
[19:39] <CrummyGummy> Hiya, I've upgraded kubuntu but 4.2 isn't installed. Any ideas why? It worked flawlessly on my laptop.
[19:40] <kjelle> alepot: permissions are ok
[19:40] <kjelle> it is seemingly impossible for me to use this GUI with these silly explosions :)
[19:40] <alepot> kjelle: I'm out of ideas, sorry
[19:41] <kjelle> alepot: ty
[19:41] <demmon> how can turn on HIDE on my  kasbar
[19:41] <alepot> kjelle: you could try logging in as root in a recovery console and moving .kde out of the way? At lleast something would be useable then
[19:41] <kjelle> kjelle@kjelle-ubuntu:~/.kde/share/config$ cat kwinrc  | grep -i explo
[19:41] <kjelle> kwin4_effect_explosionEnabled=false
[19:41] <kjelle> it is disabled :) but not "used"
[19:42] <alepot> kjelle: KDE 4.2? Have you discovered a bug?
[19:43] <kjelle> alepot: might seem so
[19:43] <kjelle> alepot: 30 mins after installation ;)
[19:43] <alepot> ROFL. That's why I use LTS :)
[19:43] <kjelle> Lp
[19:43] <kjelle> :åp
[19:44] <kjelle> :p
[19:44] <kjelle> wanted to test the "new kde"
[19:44] <kjelle> which is as buggy as Microsoft nowdays ;)
[19:44] <alepot> I read the reviews...
[19:44] <UncleScrooge> Speaking of bugs, has anyone using an Intel card on the latest Jaunty beta release having their desktop effects going horrible slowly?
[19:44] <demmon> kjelle: sverga??
[19:45] <kjelle> demmon: sverga?
[19:45] <alepot> swedish?
[19:45] <demmon> nothing cuz of the å
[19:45] <kjelle> norsk
[19:45] <demmon> aaa
[19:45] <demmon> the same
[19:45] <demmon> :D
[19:45] <jtholmes> UncleScrooge, no intel but fine on nvidia cards
[19:45] <genii> loganWHD: Apologies on lag, work is quite busy here. You have a monitor/screen for each video output on your computer, and they are all showing black only?
[19:46] <jtholmes> UncleScrooge, i have intel on laptop but at 8.10 and plan to stay there for a while
[19:46] <kjelle> alepot: seems like i don'
[19:46] <alepot> |bugs
[19:46] <kjelle> have time for this ;)
[19:47] <alepot> !bugs
[19:47] <UncleScrooge> jtholmes: Yeah, it seems to be a Intel-only problem. Driver related, according to the forums. Ah well... I just wanted a decent 4.2 based desktop to mess around with, and I've been having nothing but bad luck with various distros all morning.
[19:47] <alepot> kjelle: it's quite a steep learning curve at first but well worth the effot
[19:47] <alepot> *effort
[19:47] <jtholmes> UncleScrooge, fortunately i have installed many jaunty's and not a video problem one so far
[19:48] <kjelle> alepot: not when there are bugs
[19:48] <kjelle> alepot: i hate bugs ;)
[19:48] <White_Pelican> ah but do you have any nvidia cards jtholmes ? hehe
[19:48] <UncleScrooge> jtholmes: Well, it's more of a video acceleration problem. It's usable, but not completely. Ah well, I'll poke around and see if I can't find another distro that's got it working. Maybe Arch or something.
[19:48] <alepot> That's why I stay clear of bleeding edge - remember ubuntu is based on debian testing...
[19:49] <noren> hi
[19:49] <jtholmes> White_Pelican, all nvidia cards  one intel on laptop
[19:49] <sithlrod48> hello all
[19:49] <jtholmes> i have only installed jaunty on nvidia
[19:49] <White_Pelican> ah cool
[19:49] <White_Pelican> good to know :)
[19:50] <UncleScrooge> alepot: Yeah, I certainly wouldn't go with most new distro releases for a stable system, but at this point I'm just messing around in hopes of taking a closer look at the new KDE features.
[19:50] <jtholmes> That said i dont do esoteric things like two heads, shoot um up games etc. so perhaps i bypass those problems
[19:51] <alepot> UncleScrooge: then expect breakaghe :)
[19:51] <UncleScrooge> alepot: I do... can't say I'm happy about when it happens, whether expected or not. :)
[19:51] <sithlord48> well tonight i will be installing JJ on my amd/ati box.....
[19:51] <Abyss_> lo all
[19:51] <jtholmes> I always keep this machine on stable and test on others
[19:51] <Abyss_> noob alert here
[19:52] <sithlord48> i have a stable one too just its a server currently w/ xp on it ... moving to ubuntu (yes gnome) very soon...
[19:52] <Abyss_> I have Ubuntu 8.10 working nicely on me Dell D820, should i try Kubuntu over this??
[19:52] <alepot> UncleScrooge: I use PXE boot on my testing box so can play with various flavours, but only ever run stable on "production" machines
[19:53] <sithlord48> abyss you will not need to reinstall the os .. just install the kubuntu-desktop package
[19:53] <Abyss_> hmm u see, i did warn u lol, previously yes i have done one or the other installs
[19:53] <UncleScrooge> alepot: My main machine's a Mac, I just happen to have a spare that I'm messing around with. Linux isn't my main OS nowadays.
[19:54] <alepot> UncleScrooge: I keep a couple of dual-boot boxen, but this ios a linux shop
[19:54] <sithlord48> i used to run a bunch of mac's.....
[19:54] <noaXess> hi all
[19:54] <noaXess> is there a way to control the cpu fun? eg over acpi commands?
[19:54] <jtholmes> cpu fan?
[19:55] <lovre> most of my applications cant remember their maximised status and allways run in normal window, even tho i maximise them all the time (for example dolphin and kmail). can i change this behaviour?
[19:55] <Abyss_> another mistake i made when i installed this was to put this on first, but i want winxp on too, reckon i should reformat, put on winxp, then on the spare half of the partition put this back on, or can i do it with this installed, ie resize this ext3 partition then go from there with a boot loader?
[19:55]  * CrummyGummy is stumped
[19:56] <StR|Sangreal> hello... pls how can i download and extract music from youtube?
[19:56] <sithlord48> @ abyss_ partition your disk  3 parts  one for xp one for (k)ubuntu one for swap....  then install Xp first
[19:56] <noaXess> jtholmes: yes.. cpu cooler, fan
[19:56] <Abyss_> yes thats how i would do it sithlord48 - but i put ubuntu 8.10 on first ! oh well its not too hard to put this back on,
[19:57] <puddle> Hi all
[19:57] <jtholmes> Abyss_, or use a VM and install xp there
[19:57] <sithlord48> good point i have had much success w/ xp in virtualbox
[19:57] <alepot> noaXess: there's an old thread here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42737
[19:57] <puddle> i just install irrsi onto my computer cant find it on my desktop? where do i look looked everywhere?
[19:57] <Abyss_> i looked at the virtualisation, but its not worth the overheads for what i need it for, dual boot would be fine,,
[19:57] <jtholmes> noaXess, probably is but i let it control automatically  what mb or pc type
[19:57] <Abyss_> got wine for the small bits
[19:58] <puddle> i just install irrsi onto my computer cant find it on my desktop? where do i look looked everywhere?
[19:58] <noaXess> jtholmes: notebook asus vx2
[19:58] <sithlord48> then you will need to install xp first or get a super grub disk and fix grub after the install if you can resize ur ext3 part....
[19:58] <flacoste> hi there
[19:58] <flacoste> just upgraded to Jaunty beta from Hardy
[19:59] <flacoste> and now i'm lost in kde4
[19:59] <sithlord48> all and all its ezer to install xp first.... no matter what os your going to boot it with
[19:59] <Abyss_> this is it, trying gparted i cant seem to resize my ext3,, maybe i should boot to gparted first!
[19:59] <kaddi> hi, how can i reinitialize my soundsystem. my sound worked fine and now all of a sudden it states "xine could not initialise sound driver".
[19:59] <jtholmes> Abyss_, vmware is great
[19:59] <Abyss_> yeah put the shitty OS on first eh
[19:59] <jtholmes> and free
[19:59] <flacoste> any idea how do we configure the application by mime types
[19:59] <UncleScrooge> You know, this may be a small annoyance, but I really wish they'd get rid of the damned K-prefix that's in front of so many KDE programs. They seem headed that way with the 4.x series, and I really wish they'd hurry it up.
[19:59] <flacoste> this control panel seems gone
[19:59] <Abyss_> yup i love vmware, i got esx 3.5 on 2x hp d530's
[19:59] <jtholmes> noaXess, ask your question again in about 3 mins to see if anyone answers i dont know ans
[19:59] <sithlord48> i have been cought running serveral machines at a time... one for testing what i plan on doing to my server one for xp and one for JJ beta
[20:00] <noaXess> jtholmes: i have one.. see alepot's comment
[20:00]  * alepot polishes halo
[20:00] <Abyss_> btw - gr8 room :)
[20:00] <jtholmes> kudos to alepot
[20:01] <sithlord48> <- first visit as well to the irc channel, work is so boring...
[20:01] <jtholmes> UncleScrooge, as far back as i can remember much of kde apps started wth letter k  branding thing u kno
[20:01] <alepot> Actually, its really easy to solve problems - you just google
[20:01] <alepot> I've been doing it since google was invented
[20:01] <CrummyGummy> funny...
[20:01] <Abyss_> i like being old enough to remember the net b4 google,,
[20:02] <Laeborg> !msn
[20:02] <kaddi> !sound
[20:02] <alepot> in almost every case, someone else has had the same problem and a solution has been found
[20:02] <jtholmes> Abyss_, u 2 huh?
[20:02] <UncleScrooge> jtholmes: Yes, from the start. And it's always been amazingly annoying. Gnome used to do it too, but stopped. Apple still does it with the i-Apps, which I consider just as annoying.
[20:02] <flacoste> !mime types
[20:02] <alepot> I've been online since about 1982
[20:03] <Abyss_> lol bit longer than me then,,
[20:03] <sithlord48> back when a 5k connection was blazing fast...
[20:03] <Abyss_> uber geek eh
[20:03] <jtholmes> UncleScrooge, yes it is a little annoying but they can name is anything they want as long as it works as sold i am happy :)  or just easy to please :)
[20:03] <alepot> 5K? 300/75 accousically coupled :)
[20:03] <jtholmes> or dumb
[20:03] <Abyss_> my first was 9600 baud
[20:03] <sithlord48> lamo
[20:04] <jtholmes> Abyss_, wow you had one that fast, how about 1200 baud
[20:04] <UncleScrooge> jtholmes: If only it would work. Sometimes I really wonder what the devs behind the KDE UI revamp in 4.x (as opposed to the backend overhaul) were thinking.
[20:05] <Abyss_> lol yeah fast eh 90's man when i was old enough to play
[20:05] <jtholmes> Abyss_, i worked for AT&T (not the current one) and punch taped my programs in fortran on a tty machine
[20:05] <Abyss_> fortran eh very lowlevel,,pascal was about as close i ever got
[20:05] <sithlord48> for me C. is a low as i go
[20:06] <Abyss_> Low C isnt very nice,,,
[20:06] <rosco_y> My first modem was a 1200 baud from the military--it had a dial-back security feature
[20:06] <alepot> I never got near really serious hardware. I started programming 6502s
[20:06] <jtholmes> Abyss_, fortran was weird, then i fell in love with C
[20:06] <alepot> jtholmes: +1 for C
[20:06] <Abyss_> no one probably got the the low c joke>?
[20:06] <rosco_y> Number line BASIC was my first language
[20:07] <rosco_y> if (uLuv(C)) Honk;
[20:07]  * alepot makes like a goose
[20:07] <rosco_y> lol
[20:07] <jtholmes> my group at at&t had the alpha copy of C++ from stoustrap (he worked for ATT labs)
[20:07] <sithlord48> honk;
[20:07] <alepot> jtholmes: cool. I loved overloading
[20:08] <jtholmes> but enough of the good ole' days the moderator will get us
[20:08] <alepot> took ages to get my head around the object-oriented approach after procedural
[20:08] <sithlord48> recursion.... and pointers...
[20:08] <jtholmes> i had problems with OO also but finally it clicked
[20:09] <sithlord48> then the best was a friend of mine trying to sort a list by %1
[20:09] <rosco_y> I really enjoyed C and C++, well, I enjoyed FORTRAN, BASIC and Pascal too--I'm a programmer at heart, but now I really enjoy C#
[20:09] <Abyss_> i was just boring my gf with the good ole days,,yes, she nearly had me too
[20:09] <flacoste> anyone knows what is the new kde4 app to manage mime types association?
[20:09] <joejc> how do i get my dual monitors to work more like 1?
[20:10] <rosco_y> flacoste: I asked that question once...and there was an answer--but I don't know what it was
[20:10] <sithlord48> i belive you can manage your mime types in system settings -> file types.. (or default apps)
[20:10] <alepot> flacoste: not in konqueror?
[20:10] <flacoste> sithlord48: nope, that only manages the "components", not per-mime types
[20:10] <sithlord48> or u should be able to set them up in konquror /dolphin
[20:10] <jtholmes> joejc,  compose or something like that
[20:10] <alepot> sithlord48: that would be a reasonable place to look
[20:10] <jtholmes> compwiz
[20:11] <rosco_y> joejc: you have to install the right drivers and tweak your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[20:11] <jtholmes> whatever
[20:11] <sithlord48> sorry not @ my kubuntu machine ... xp at work for now....
[20:11] <flacoste> alepot: well, the DB is used all over the place, so it's not konqueror specific
[20:11] <rosco_y> It's not a lot of fun, I can guarantee that--but it's really nice when its said and done
[20:11] <jtholmes> compiz
[20:11] <sithlord48> compiz is much fun ..and so very useful
[20:11] <flacoste> in konversation, kmail, by the "application based on the contents of the URL" settings in "Web Browser" component
[20:11] <joejc> i installed the nvidia driver and im using twin view but its more like using 2 separate monitors
[20:11] <rosco_y> I'm just lucky my son was able to help me out with that
[20:12] <rosco_y> joejc: I know where you are...I've been there
[20:12] <rosco_y> search for "twinview"
[20:13] <rosco_y> joejc: I think I got a link for you...hang one
[20:13] <rosco_y> on, even
[20:13] <sithlord48> does ne one here use a "remote desktop server" for kubuntu i have been having some issues getting it to work
[20:14] <alepot> flacoste: sure, but knoqueror - settings - file associations gets the job done.
[20:14] <rosco_y> joejc: keep your salt-shaker handy when you follow my advice--but you might be interested in: http://www.darkartistry.com/content/view/74/41/
[20:16] <rosco_y> although that page is ati-specific, I'll bet the principals are similar
[20:16] <jtholmes> sithlord48, rds is it for windows clients google does not elaborate
[20:16] <sithlord48> similar....
[20:16] <jtholmes> sithlord48, what ubuntu package?
[20:16] <sithlord48> vnc4server and x11vnc would be the two i have attempted to use...
[20:17] <alepot> +1 for any flavour of vnc
[20:17] <flacoste> alepot: ok, i'll give it a try!
[20:17] <alepot> aptitude search vnc
[20:17] <sithlord48> well i run ultravnc server on my xp machine (server) that i will be converting to ubuntu but i have not had much luck getting ne vnc server to connect to the ubuntu box
[20:18] <sithlord48> er wait my clients can't connect (like krdc )
[20:19] <alepot> sithlord48: it can be made to  work  - IIRC I googled for a hoto when I was playing with remote access methods
[20:19] <alepot> *howto
[20:19] <flacoste> alepot: thanks, that's what i was looking for
[20:19] <alepot> the app's mailing list archives  are always a good resource
[20:20] <sithlord48> part of my issue could be that i am running ubuntu in a virtual machine.
[20:21] <alepot> sithlord48: almost certainly :)
[20:21] <noren> hi can html be activated in kmail
[20:21] <rosco_y> sithlord48: How did you make out with your mime-types?
[20:21] <alepot> noren: yes, but its a very Bad Idea (TM)
[20:21] <kaddi> hi, how can i reinitialize my soundsystem. my sound worked fine and now all of a sudden it states "xine could not initialise sound driver".
[20:21] <rosco_y> I accidentally found them in the control-center
[20:21] <noren> alepot why so               ?
[20:22] <alepot> kaddi: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[20:22] <sithlord48> rosco_y: i am not at a kubuntu machine atm , but i do remember tweaking then i thought in system settings
[20:22] <rosco_y> kaddi: I'm having trouble with my audio too, so welcome to the club!
[20:22] <alepot> noren: http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml
[20:22] <rosco_y> sithlord48: aah...I'm noe help in that case
[20:23] <sithlord48> rosco_y: oh i wasn't asking the mime type question.... that was flacoste
[20:24] <yaa__> hi where can i get whitebuntu?
[20:24] <alepot> !whiteubuntu
[20:25] <rosco_y> neverhearduvit
[20:25] <rosco_y> sithlord48: :o gotcha
[20:26] <kaddi> alepot: i still get the same message. :(
[20:26] <sithlord48> yea never heard of it ..
[20:26] <floown> hello
[20:26] <alepot> kaddi: sorry - I'm stumped withourt being at the box
[20:27] <rosco_y> I gave up on my audio--I turned on the radio
[20:27] <noren> whatis whiteubuntu
[20:27] <floown> when I want to create a SSL certificat, it is asked "Common Name (eg, YOUR name) []". I enter my personal name or the NDD ?
[20:27] <yaa__> dont exactly know
[20:28] <flacoste> there is keditfiletype
[20:28] <yaa__> written : ubuntu for whites
[20:28] <flacoste> but it only edits one mime/type at a time
[20:29] <jtholmes> yaa__, please elaborate
[20:29] <yaa__> what is elaborate
[20:30] <yaa__> know english not
[20:30] <yaa__> well
[20:30] <alepot> floown: here's a general procedure: http://www.akadia.com/services/ssh_test_certificate.html but you may need to be application-specific in your answers
[20:30] <jtholmes> yaa__, explain more details etc. what are you asking?
[20:31] <yaa__> ive seen a site with this @distro@ want to find about it
[20:31] <yaa__> info
[20:31] <floown> alepot: thx a lot, nice link
[20:31] <alepot> yaa__: google returns no hits
[20:31] <alepot> for whiteubuntu