[19:19] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue704 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue704 :D
[19:35] <krytarik> I suggest rewording "before providing youtube links to UbuCon Asia YouTube, and the various Day playlists" to "before providing links to the UbuCon Asia YouTube channel and the various daily playlists"
[19:36] <Bashing-om> krytarik: ack - making it so :D
[19:38] <krytarik> And maybe we should make an exception and prefix the "Release 2.5.0" title with "Mir" - the summary text doesn't mention it either btw.
[19:40] <krytarik> In fact I'd also retitle "UbuCon Asia 2021 - Videos will be released with YouTube Premieres this weekends" to just "UbuCon Asia 2021 Videos" for shortness.
[19:47] <Bashing-om> ack
[19:56] <Bashing-om> UWN: Next edits ? :D
[21:07] <Bashing-om> Nap time - I catch back up later :D


[00:49] <ChmEarl> debian.master/control.d/ only supports one flavour, yet annotations script supports mutilple: at least generic & virtual


 I dunno if he's calmed down now, or not, but may be something to keep an eye on...
[00:14] <stdin> yes, I saw
[00:14] <nixternal> he's mine stdin, back off :p
[00:14] <nivek> stdin: Ah, I'm sorry! I didn't see your name on the access list when I first looked. I do now.
[00:14] <stdin> he's calming down now, but I was *just* about to remove...
[00:15] <nixternal> hehe
[00:15] <nixternal> warn, then quiet, then remove :)
[00:15] <stdin> I warned, but he swore 3 more times as I was typing the warning :p
[00:16] <nixternal> hahaha
[00:16] <nivek> Anyway, thanks, both of you. :D
[00:17] <stdin> nivek: if you think there's no one around in #kubuntu and you need help, poke someone in #ubuntu-ops
[00:17] <nivek> stdin: Will do. I knew that nixternal was an op from memory because I remember him booting someone the first month I started coming to #kubuntu :P
[00:18] <stdin> you're not an real op untill your first kick/ban :)
[00:18] <nivek> haha
[00:28] <Riddell> mhb: sorry, my internet broke
[00:28]  * Jucato read that as "bloke"....
[00:29] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: so you need a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ which reads a setting you write somewhere
[00:29] <Riddell> maybe ~/.kde/
[00:29] <Riddell> or ~/.compiz
[00:29] <Riddell> doesn't really matter
[00:29] <Riddell> and that sets $KDEWM which gets picked up by startkde
[00:29] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: compiz ought to fall back to kwin, that it sometimes doesn't is a bug bug that can be fixed
[00:30] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ok... thanks!
[01:57] <Hobbsee> right.  i should be able to install kde4 now :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> is it worht installing?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> oh, shit.  i missed the meeting again
[01:59] <Jucato> oh frack!
[02:00] <Hobbsee> no stuff to the ML about it either.  i wonder if it even happened
[02:01] <Jucato> me too
[02:02] <Jucato> I don't think it was kinda nice to have it scheduled the day after new year :)
[02:03] <hads> It did happen
[02:04] <Jucato> pfft :(
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> it happened..
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> yuriy was accepted.. and that about all that happened
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> later all
[03:01]  * Hobbsee ponders waiting until the kde4 actual release
[03:03] <Jucato> 8 days :)
[03:03] <Jucato> or you can wait when it's tagged at least? :)
[03:04] <nixternal> anyone know an easy way to add a line edit to a toolbar in qt4-designer?
[03:09] <Jucato> :(
[03:10]  * Jucato doesn't know....
[03:40] <nivek> Hobbsee: You didn't miss much as far as the meeting went. One new member and one item on the agenda :P </late>
[03:40] <Hobbsee> nivek: fair enough
[03:40] <nivek> You want a log?
[03:43] <nivek> http://pastebin.com/m4f4b64dc If so.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> thanks
[04:17]  * dasKreech waves
[04:20] <Hobbsee> heya dasKreech
[04:20] <Jucato> hiya dasKreech! :)
[04:22] <dasKreech> Hey Jucato!
[09:09] <mornfall> yuriy: Well, eventually, I may move the methods to .cpp files. It's just more comfortable this way.
[09:09] <mornfall> yuriy: At least for now.
[10:27] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:27] <Riddell> rebonjour Tonio_
[10:29] <Tonio_> bonne année Riddell !
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm back in the work, fixing bugs for kde 3.5 etc...
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: most people seem to focus on 4.0 so I'll do my best on the 3.5 part....
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: like fixing ark, broken
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I found the problem with guidance power manager
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is outdated .pot file
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a few questions on that point
[10:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a way to import the pot in rosetta for the package's page ?
[10:32] <Riddell> rosetta will import it when you upload
[10:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: no admin/ folder in rosetta, so no way to patch
[10:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: it was never imported in fact
[10:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also have to fix powermanager code a bit to include some missing i18n() things
[10:33] <Tonio_> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance
[10:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: as you can see, there is no translation entry in it
[10:34] <Riddell> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/kde-guidance/
[10:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum weird...
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki let's patch guidance then
[10:35] <Tonio_> and include an updated pot file
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: just a little question concerning guidance, again
[10:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I see both __tr() and i18n() are used, but never together, is there a reason to this ?
[10:43] <Tonio_> self.screensavergroup.setTitle(self.__tr("Enable screensaver"))
[10:43] <Tonio_> here an example
[10:43] <Tonio_> I suspect we should use self.screensavergroup.setTitle(self.__tr(i18n("Enable screensaver")))
[10:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: is the tr() used in files made from .ui files?
[10:47] <Tonio_> not only
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: you have it in the standard guidance-power-manager.py for example
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I try to use i18n in it, and if it works, then will patch everything
[10:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: probably a mistake then
[10:49] <Tonio_> yup
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: patch is done, but I can seem to build the .mo file manually
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: any clue for this ?
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have the patched .py files installed, seems to work, but I can hardly test if I can't compile the .po files
[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: even local debuild -nc doesn't built it...
[11:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't know if they've ever built as part of the package
[11:46] <Riddell> they'll build as part of the language pack of course
[11:47] <Riddell> you can try and work out the gettext command to compile them
[11:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: the debian package should contain the commands right ?
[11:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: debian doesn't have our langpacks mecanism afaik ?
[11:48] <Tonio_> maybe kbabel can do it btw
[11:53] <Riddell> the debian package shouldn't be much different from ours
[11:54] <Tonio_> oki
[12:11]  * Tonio_ is happy, no new bugs posted with the latest kdesudo
[12:11] <Tonio_> fdoving: ^_^
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem looks more complex in fact
[12:29] <Tonio_> the .ui file generates a ui.py file automatically, which doesn't contain any i18n strings
[12:30] <Riddell> I did ask if that's where they came from
[12:30] <Riddell> uic has a flag to change that translation function
[12:30] <Tonio_> tht's it indeed
[12:30] <Riddell> not sure if pyuic does
[13:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the flag for the standard uic please ?
[13:07] <Riddell>   -tr <func>                use func() for i18n
[13:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: ^^
[13:08] <Tonio_> okay suprt
[13:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was searching for i18n and not internationalisation, shame on me.....
[13:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can blame me :)
[13:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems to work, testing
[13:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: looking at guidance packaging, there are things missing :
[13:27] <Tonio_> 	-XGETTEXT=/usr/bin/kde-xgettext EXTRACTATTR=/usr/bin/extractattr sh $(DEB_SRCDIR)/admin/cvs.sh extract-messages
[13:27] <Tonio_> this cannot work, as there is no admin folder in it
[13:28] <Tonio_> btw this isn't supposed to work with .py afaik
[13:30] <Riddell> wouldn't imagine it could
[13:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's from debian/rules ;)
[13:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: fixing to something that will work
[13:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems to work ;)
[13:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, there are fixes that I'd rather have in the tarball
[13:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you update the svn branch if I send you a fixed tarball, and then I'll prepare a package with the debian/rules fix ?
[14:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: can do
[14:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: there's a patch in dholbach's patch queue too i think
[14:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: great
[14:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/m62574e65
[14:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: here-s the patch
[14:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll ping dholbach once available, but I'll release a new package as soon as you have commited
[14:19] <Tonio_> as well as a new kdebluetooth ans a new knm
[14:30] <Tonio_> Lure: wasn't knetworkmanager 2.1 in the pipe for month ? ;)
[14:31] <Lure> Tonio_: I thought so too, but not sure where it got stuck. You may want to ask on mailing list
[14:31] <Tonio_> sure
[15:07] <Tonio__> grmpf, bad internet connexion today
[15:16] <Riddell> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/177366t
[15:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177366 in kde-guidance "misspelling found - lowercase 'w' in 'wine'" [Low,Triaged]
[15:16] <Riddell> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/177366
[15:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've applied your patch and that one to svn
[15:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: super
[15:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: building the new package, and then trying to fix ark :/
[15:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I noticed the current gutsy version of kdesudo causes lots of problems, as lots of bugs have been fix
[15:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we consider a security update ?
[15:30] <Tonio_> or even a backport
[15:30] <Riddell> backport sure
[15:30] <Riddell> I doubt it'll pass security
[15:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: well the bad args parsing was a potential security issue...
[15:31] <Tonio_> but yeah, few changes it passes security ;)
[15:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: also with security, the minimum code changes are required right ? then no need to even think about it :)
[15:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: right
[15:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdebase/4:3.5.8-2ubuntu10 broke
[15:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, the patch was doubled in the patch/ fodler
[15:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: already uploaded a ubuntu1 version that builds
[16:04] <bddebian> Heya
[16:04] <jjesse> boo :)
[16:05] <nosrednaekim> EEEK!
[16:07] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[16:07] <jjesse> hello Tonio_
[16:08] <bddebian> :-)
[16:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a delay before I can svn update on the anonsvn server ?
[16:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't seem to ugrade now.... I'll wait a bit
[16:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: 10 minutes usually
[16:12] <Tonio_> okay
[16:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it was 38 minutes ago ;)
[16:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: definately there http://websvn.kde.org/branches/extragear/kde3/utils/guidance/
[16:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, doing manually is another option ;)
[16:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/extragear/kde3/utils/guidance/wineconfig/
[16:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't see the wine typo fix uploaded...
[16:31] <Riddell> hrm
[16:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's definatly in svn
[16:33] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/wineconfig.py
[16:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/branches/extragear/kde3/utils/guidance/wineconfig/wineconfig.py
[16:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: not updated here at least, I can't see the fix in it
[16:34] <Riddell> shrug, slow sync
[16:35] <Riddell> maybe due to the mega icon commits
[16:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like.... especially since the .pot fix is in for more about an hour now ;)
[16:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I applied the patch manually in the sources, it'll be the same as the svn tree
[16:36] <mhb> Riddell: so could you answer my question now, please? I asked about the KDE4 Hardy CD and when it is ready (to be tested)
[16:40] <Riddell> mhb: it's blocked on seeds being reorganised
[16:41] <mhb> Riddell: that is so last year :o) just joking, but the answer was the same before Christmas.
[16:42] <Riddell> mhb: I doubt colin spent his christmas rearranging seeds
[16:43] <ryanakca> mhb: is mhb.ath.cx down?
[16:44] <mhb> ryanakca: no
[16:44] <mhb> Riddell: right, here's hoping that he might spens some time in January about it :o)
[16:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't we want the grubconfig guidance tool ?
[16:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is commented in rules
[16:51] <Riddell> dunno, ask mhb
[16:51] <Riddell> I believe it wasn't ready last I looked
[16:52] <Tonio_> k
[16:52] <Tonio_> mhb: ping ? ;)
[17:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: last (sorry) question about the rules file
[17:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: why did you use kdepyuic instead of the standard pyuic ?
[17:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdepyuic doesn't seem to allow the usage of parameters like -tr for example
[17:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: is it of any use for the program ?
[17:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: well they're KDE apps, I suspect they don't work with the qt pyuic
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> yeah, the standard pyuic doesn't work with KDE classes/eidgets
[17:04] <Tonio_> hum, I then have to find a way to make kdepyuic use -tr instead
[17:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaiu that to generate pykde .py compatible files right ?
[17:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can just use sed
[17:05] <Riddell> s/tr\(/i18n\(/
[17:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: right
[17:28] <\sh> Tonio_: pyuic has a switch for that...where you can set this...and pykdeuic is just an addon to it, so it should use the same switch when I remember correctly
[17:29] <\sh> Tonio_: if not, it's a bug ,-)
[17:30] <Tonio_> \sh: then, a bug it is :)
[17:30] <Tonio_> \sh: kdepyuic doesn't allow to set options in fact, only 3 are available
[17:31] <\sh> Tonio_: kdepyuic has the -tr <func> switch
[17:31] <\sh> (pykde3)
[17:32] <Tonio_> \sh: it hasn't, the switch is for pyuic
[17:32] <\sh> Tonio_: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/50608/
[17:33] <Tonio_> \sh: the output you see is the pyuic output
[17:33] <\sh> Tonio_: hehe...kdepyuic is just a wrapper around pyuic...it inherits all stuff from pyuic and adds kde stuff too
[17:33] <Tonio_> \sh: look carefully to the output, you have both in a raw, buggy
[17:33] <\sh> Tonio_: yes...but it should call pyuic
[17:33] <Tonio_> \sh: basically kdepyuic allows 3 options : -a -i and -p
[17:34] <Tonio_> \sh: it does, but there is no way to add specific options for pyuic
[17:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting, the .py files you generate with kdepyuic are not installed
[17:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: those in the current package are done with the build system with pyuic
[17:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why I couldn't get my patched files in the package......
[17:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably patch the build system to use kdepyuic instead
[17:36] <\sh> Tonio_: give me a sec...tryingf
[17:36] <Tonio_> \sh: sure
[17:37] <Tonio_> \sh: would be nice if I could avoid the sed :)
[17:38] <Tonio_> \sh: already tried -p "pyuic --tr i18n" fyi
[17:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like our powermanager app is not a kde but a qt application :)
[17:39] <Tonio_> at least the ui
[17:39] <\sh> Tonio_: -p is just the path to pyuic
[17:39] <\sh> Tonio_: I see now...it's a bug in kdepyuic...we should fix it ,-)
[17:40] <Tonio_> \sh: ;)
[17:40] <Tonio_> \sh: I don't have time to wait for this, I'll fix in guidance waiting for a fix instead !
[17:41] <\sh> Tonio_: I would say, regarding the fact that kde is just using i18n, we should add a "-tr i18n" to opts = ' -o ' in doPyuic
[17:41] <\sh> or adding an option to it directly and adding a conditional to doPyUic...
[17:42] <\sh> Riddell: any objections?
[17:43] <Tonio_> \sh: well it isn't that simple
[17:43] <Tonio_> \sh: that'll generate i18n entries in the code, but the catalog should be loaded too
[17:44] <Tonio_> \sh means something like "from kdecore import kglobal"
[17:44] <Tonio_> \sh: and also add the kglobal.locale() somewhere in the code :)
[17:44] <\sh> Tonio_: so lets do it...i didn't check on pykde4 this time...but fixing pykde3 is essential...we can push the patch as well to upstream
[17:45] <Tonio_> \sh: and that I don't know how to do it correctly
[17:45] <\sh> Tonio_: that should be done at application lvl...
[17:45] <Tonio_> then just one line after loading kglobal should be enough
[17:46] <Tonio_> \sh: I'm all for that
[17:46] <Tonio_> \sh: I can wait for the fix to release guidance then
[17:47] <\sh> Tonio_: well, I'll propose a patch for it...and you can test it...I'll upload pykde3 to my ppa
[17:47] <Tonio_> \sh: stupid question, but how will you now the catalog name to load ? ;)
[17:47] <Tonio_> \sh: KGlobal.locale().insertCatalogue("guidance") for example
[17:47] <\sh> Tonio_: as I said..this should be done at app lvl...not in pykdeuic ...
[17:48] <Tonio_> \sh: but how will that be done for a py file generated from a ui file ?
[17:49] <Tonio_> ho you mean that this file is imported and then it should work ?
[17:49] <\sh> Tonio_: as it is global, it should inherit everything from top...yes
[17:49]  * Tonio_ isn't a python expert
[17:49] <Tonio_> oki
[17:49]  * \sh neither regarding locales .-)
[17:50] <\sh> but thinking of qt/kde libs in general, where you do this as well in main somehow...it should be the same
[17:50] <Tonio_> yep, understood
[17:50] <Tonio_> \sh: I'll wait for your patch then
[17:53] <Tonio_> \sh:
[17:53] <Tonio_>     if addApp:
[17:53] <Tonio_>         opts = ' -x -o '
[17:53] <Tonio_>     else:
[17:53] <Tonio_>         opts = ' -o '
[17:53] <Tonio_> that's the 2 lines to patch right ?
[17:54] <\sh> Tonio_: well, I'm doing it correctly..adding the opt to the toplvl options...and feed it as conditional to DoPyUic
[17:55] <Tonio_> \sh: oki super, please ping me when done so that I can test it and fix guidance build system to use this instead of pyuic :)
[18:02] <\sh> Tonio_: sure
[18:11] <\sh> Tonio_: pykde3 is in my ppa...just waiting to build...python-kde3 - 3.16.0-4ubuntu1~ppa1 is the version...for hardy...add
[18:11] <\sh> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/shermann/ubuntu hardy main
[18:11] <\sh> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/shermann/ubuntu hardy main
[18:11] <Tonio_> \sh: that will not globally fix our issues since pykdeextensions uses pyuic to build ui files
[18:11] <Tonio_> \sh: grep -re uic /usr/share/python-support/pykdeextensions
[18:11] <\sh> Tonio_: if it works ok...just use the kubuntu_04_kdepyuic_i18n.dpatch from it
[18:11] <\sh> Tonio_: we need to fix this too ,-)
[18:12] <Tonio_> \sh: I'll test
[18:12] <Tonio_> \sh: I guess it should check for kdepyuic in the first place
[18:13] <\sh> Tonio_: it needs a dep on python-kde3-dev ;)
[18:13] <Tonio_> what needs that dep ?
[18:14] <\sh> Tonio_: everything what needs to use kdepyuic
[18:14] <Tonio_> so if I have python-kde3-dev installed, the setup.py, importing kdedistutils, should use kdepyuic instead ?
[18:15] <Tonio_> \sh: I already have it installed
[18:15] <Tonio_> \sh: but pyuic is when launching setup.py
[18:17] <\sh> yepp
[18:17] <Tonio_> \sh: doesn't seem to work...
[18:18] <Tonio_> the installed .py generated files are done using pyuic (no kde import things in it)
[18:18] <Tonio_> \sh: I can fix that overwritting the file in debian/rules, but that sounds a bit ugly :)
[18:19] <\sh> Tonio_: patch is at http://www.sourcecode.de/~shermann/python-kde3-patches/
[18:20] <Tonio_> \sh: testing this right now
[18:21] <\sh>  pyuic_exe = find_executable('pyuic',pyqt_configuration.pyqt_bin_dir)
[18:21] <\sh> hmmm....
[18:23] <\sh> give me some time to think about a fix...
[18:25] <Tonio_> \sh: your patch seems incomplete
[18:25] <Tonio_> I can see the -tr option, but the command doesn't work
[18:26] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.com/m3ee140d5
[18:30] <nixternal> is it possible to download a KDE mailing list archive?
[18:31] <nixternal> you can do it with Mailman, but KDE uses MARC for their archives and I can't figure it out yet
[18:32] <\sh> Tonio_: pykdeuic -tr i18n ?
[18:33] <Tonio_> \sh: yep, fails for me
[18:33] <\sh> grmpf...give me some minutes..need to wash dishes first ,-)
[18:34] <Tonio_> \sh:
[18:34] <Tonio_>     shortOptions = "aip:"
[18:34] <Tonio_>     longOptions  = "noapp noimport pyuic="
[18:34] <Tonio_> \sh: look lik python doesn't want a 2 letters based short option btw
[18:34] <Tonio_> I guess aiptr: wouldn't be welcome :)
[18:37] <Tonio_> \sh: I can just test with -t and let you find the fix, gimme a moment
[18:39] <\sh> Tonio_: argl...yeah will fix it in a few...
[18:40] <\sh> Tonio_: fetch it now  from the former location at sourcecode.de
[18:42] <\sh> argl...adjusting the help :(
[18:43] <Tonio_> \sh: I was about to ay it ;)
[18:43] <\sh> now
[18:43] <\sh> ,-)
[18:44] <Tonio_> k
[18:46] <Tonio_> \sh: seems to work
[18:46] <Tonio_> now the second fix to use kdepyuic and it'll be perfect ;)
[18:47] <Tonio_> \sh: wait no there is a problem, looks like i18n hasn't been passed to pyuic
[18:47] <Tonio_> I still have __tr based translation in the .py file
[18:48] <Tonio_> \sh:
[18:48] <Tonio_>     if i18nFunc:
[18:48] <Tonio_>        opts = opts + ' -tr ' + i18nFunc + ' '
[18:48] <Tonio_>     if addApp:
[18:48] <Tonio_>         opts = opts + ' -x '
[18:48] <Tonio_>     opts = ' -o '
[18:48] <Tonio_> here is the problem, last line should be opts = opts + ' -o' no ?
[18:49] <Tonio_> \sh: that's it, works this time
[18:50] <\sh> Tonio_: bah...lI'm doomed
[18:51] <Tonio_> \sh: super, I'll test an ugly hack in guidance to override the usage of pyuic by default, I'll wait for another fix on that point :)
[18:51] <\sh> well, if the fix works now in general...we should add it to the hardy package...
[18:52] <\sh> and try then to fix the other things
[18:53] <Tonio_> \sh: I tested this on 10 ui files, works perfectly, so I think you can upload right now :)
[18:57] <\sh> Tonio_: I can't upload it right now :) please apply the patch to python-kde3 and add it to the 00list file and upload :)
[19:01] <Tonio_> oki no pb
[19:02] <\sh> Tonio_: actually I can't upload in general :)
[19:03] <Tonio_> \sh: lost your gpgp key ?
[19:03] <Tonio_> gpg
[19:04] <\sh> nope
[19:05] <\sh> I'm not a motu or core-dev anymore :)
[19:05] <Tonio_> \sh: NameError: global name 'i18n' is not defined
[19:05] <Tonio_> \sh: that's what I get using the generated file, I think we should import something else when using i18n
[19:09] <\sh> Tonio_: checking the doc...what needs to be done
[19:11] <\sh> Tonio_: from kdecore import i18n
[19:11] <\sh> Tonio_: check the examples in python-kde3-doc
[19:12] <Tonio_> \sh: tested, but that doesn't change anything
[19:13] <Tonio_> \sh: shouldn't we just import * ?
[19:13] <Tonio_> \sh: how does this impact performances ?
[19:14] <\sh> Tonio_: well, quoting Riddell: it doesn't matter ;)
[19:14] <\sh> Tonio_: depends on what you want to do...I think...
[19:14] <Tonio_> \sh: then we should patch your patch :)
[19:14] <\sh> Tonio_: let's see what it does actually
[19:15] <Tonio_> \sh: well if we want to use i18n, we can either load just i18n (which works in fact), or load everything and ensure it works
[19:15] <Tonio_> I'd vote for the second option
[19:15] <Tonio_> dunno if upstream will then accept the patch, that's the problem
[19:15] <\sh> well kdepyuic does  n.write ('from kdecore import KCmdLineArgs, KApplication\n')
[19:15] <\sh> and that's only if we have an app
[19:16] <\sh> so I need to add some code magic
[19:17] <\sh> Tonio_: thinking about it...it's only be needed if you use i18n() for the locales
[19:18] <Tonio_> yep
[19:18] <\sh> Tonio_: so I could add a switch (instead of the introduced one) like --useKDEi18n which adds i18n to the import line for all generated .py files and it would leave it alone when you don't need it
[19:19] <\sh> and adds the -tr i18n to the pyuic call
[19:21] <Tonio_> yep, that would be the idea
[19:21] <\sh> ok...will do it in a few...
[19:27] <\sh> Tonio_: should we default it to true or false?
[19:27] <Tonio_> I'd say yes
[19:27] <Tonio_> i18n is kde default right ? ;)
[19:28] <Tonio_> % strace -e trace=open python /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/guidance-power-manager.py 2>&1 | grep LC_MESSAGES                                                                    [0.11 0.12 - 31% 0%]
[19:28] <\sh> ok..default is true...no problem ,-)
[19:28] <Tonio_> open("/usr/lib/locale/fr_FR.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[19:28] <Tonio_> open("/usr/lib/locale/fr_FR.utf8/LC_MESSAGES", O_RDONLY) = 3
[19:28] <Tonio_> open("/usr/lib/locale/fr_FR.utf8/LC_MESSAGES/SYS_LC_MESSAGES", O_RDONLY) = 3
[19:28] <Tonio_> open("/usr/share/locale/fr_FR/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[19:28] <Tonio_> open("/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[19:28] <Tonio_> open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/fr_FR/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[19:28] <Tonio_> open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/fr/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo", O_RDONLY) = 10
[19:28] <Tonio_> WHY DOESN4T IT WANT TO LOAD THAT STUPID CATALOG FILE ?????????, !!!!!!!!!!!
[19:28] <Tonio_> that's in the code, but it doesn't work.....
[19:28] <Tonio_> now I understand why it wans't translated....
[19:28] <Tonio_> bad .pot file -> incomplete .po files
[19:29] <Tonio_> bad .py files not using i18n
[19:29] <Tonio_> bad kdepyuic
[19:29] <Tonio_> and finally the catalog loading fails :)
[19:29] <Tonio_> \sh: it was, at least unlikelly to work ^_^
[19:32] <\sh> Tonio_: catch the patch from www.sourcecode.de/~shermann/python-kde3-patches/ and check if this works better :)
[19:32] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[19:35] <\sh> Tonio_: if it works...I'll prepare a debdiff for python-kde3
[19:35] <Tonio_> sure, will do
[19:35] <Tonio_> atm I'm eating, brb and will let you know
[20:09] <\sh> Tonio_: family is calling ... so send me an email or wait for tomorrow with the patch...
[20:09] <ryanakca> nixternal: maybe get the flashgot plugin (for firefox) and go flashgot all at the archive page you want?
[20:09] <Tonio_> \sh_away: sure
[20:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[20:21] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[20:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: re ;)
[20:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I went to the point I can say there is something weird in power-manager
[20:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a working .po file with french translations for each guidance component
[20:22] <Tonio_> but power-manager refuses to load ANY kde Catalog
[20:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect there is something weird in the program structure
[20:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: look by yourself :
[20:23] <Tonio_> ho and btw I don't understand how are the translations loaded
[20:23] <Riddell> klocale loads the .mo file
[20:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I disabled (removed) the displayconfig insertCatalog line, but the translation is still loaded
[20:23] <jjesse> >
[20:24] <Riddell> strace can tell you which it tries to load
[20:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: done and here is the result, you'll be amazed I guess, look at that :
[20:25] <Tonio_> % grep -re Catalog displayconfig.py                                                                                [0.01 0.08 - 31% 0%]
[20:25] <Tonio_>         # KGlobal.locale().insertCatalogue("guidance")
[20:25] <Tonio_> as you can see it is disabled
[20:25] <Tonio_> % strace -e trace=open python /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/displayconfig.py 2>&1 | grep guidance.mo                                                                             [0.01 0.07 - 31% 0%]
[20:25] <Tonio_> open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/fr/LC_MESSAGES/guidance.mo", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 10
[20:25] <Tonio_> but it's loaded
[20:26] <Tonio_> I can see lots of kde catalogs loaded :
[20:26] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.com/m640b762e
[20:26] <Tonio_> here's the all list
[20:26] <Tonio_> with powermanager :
[20:27] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.com/m261babe5
[20:27] <Tonio_> only libc.mo is loaded
[20:27] <Tonio_> not even kdelibs.mo.....
[20:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why I suspect some other problem with it
[20:28] <Tonio_> also I don't understand how can displayconfig load the catalog if disabled
[20:28] <Tonio_> that's a non-sense for me
[20:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: so if you have an idea................. that would be nice, since I have done I think all I could to make that to work....
[20:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I am now wondering is there is some kind of cache with python (pyc files already removed), cause I don't understand how a catalog can be loaded without any kind of locale() call....
[20:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: it depends on how it's loaded, e.g. if it's through system settings, or kcontrol or kcmshell
[20:32] <Riddell> .pyo files?
[20:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: pyc, not pyo ?
[20:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: loaded from the shell only, starting the .py file manually
[20:35] <Tonio_> strace -e trace=open python /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/displayconfig.py 2>&1 | grep guidance.mo
[20:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: as you can see, just starting the script with python loads the catalog, even if the code doesn't......
[20:36] <Tonio_> that's where I get lost
[20:38] <ScottK> Tonio_: Do you have any interest in trying to maintain Klamav in Debian?  It looks to me like the Debian maintainer has abandoned the package and may be MIA.
[20:38] <ScottK> I'm interested to do it, but since you packaged it, I thought I ought to check and see if you were interested first.
[20:39] <Tonio_> ScottK: I have no upload rights in debian, and to be honnest, bad experience working with a sponsor :)
[20:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: ah well there you go
[20:40] <ScottK> I'll take that as a no then.
[20:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: if you load it through kcmshell etc then it tries to load the .mo files with that associated name
[20:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: I will still maintain the package in debian
[20:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: charge for debian to merge ;)
[20:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: s/in debian/in ubuntu
[20:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki but how can that work if I load it from nowhere, just command line to python myscript.py
[20:41] <ScottK> OK.  Good enough.  I'll let you know if I get something worked out for Debian.
[20:41] <Tonio_> btw, the mo file name is "guidance" not "displayconfig"
[20:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's just completly crazy for me..... I hate automagic things
[20:42] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure
[20:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: there will be a KApplication()
[20:48] <Riddell> that has an app name passed to it
[20:48] <Riddell> maybe as part of KAboutData()
[20:48] <Riddell> that name is used to load the .mo file
[20:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was just testing this right now
[20:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I completly disabled the catalog loading in the all code -> still works, now the about data thing :)
[20:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's it
[20:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like the all insertCatalog things are useless then
[20:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: umm, why?
[20:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to get that fixed tomorrow
[20:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: they are ignored
[20:52] <Riddell> it's still needed for loading through system settings
[20:53] <Tonio_> hum lemme test
[20:53] <Tonio_> hum right
[20:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: all I should do then is adding the correct about infos to power-manager then ?
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> ping mhb
[20:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: but why aren't the other mo files (like kdelibs.mo) loaded ?
[20:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: not only the guidance.mo is needed
[20:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect for example at least the "ok" and "cancel" buttons should be translated no ?
[20:55] <Riddell> dunno that
[20:55] <Riddell> what do other kde apps load?
[21:04] <yuriy> mornfall: ping
[21:06] <mornfall> yuriy: semi-pong
[21:06] <mornfall> Be quick, I have to go soonish.
[21:08] <yuriy> mornfall: ok then i'll skip the more specific stuff. i don't have somewhere to serve a darcs branch off of, so what would be a good way for me to start making changes and commit them somewhere you could easily get to?
[21:09] <mornfall> yuriy: I will set up darcs send tomorrow, is that okey? (That would mail the patches to me in an applicable form.)
[21:09] <yuriy> mornfall: ok
[21:10] <mornfall> yuriy: You could shoot the more specific stuff as well, if you are willing to risk that answers may come only tomorrow.
[21:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: it works !
[21:11] <Tonio_> finally......
[21:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you suggest a separate po file or patching power-manager to have "guidance" in KAboutdata ?
[21:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: patching is easier, but you decide
[21:13] <yuriy> mornfall: ok: wrt my .cpp comment, one of the difficult parts about working with adept has been that it's not too clear what's where, and in the new one there are already 3 entire classes in each .h and I'm concerned that it's already getting confusing
[21:14] <mornfall> yuriy: Okey, that's a side-effect of mostly running alone and being in hurry (and keeping most of that stuff in my mind).
[21:14] <mornfall> yuriy: Not really hard to fix though (that's why I defer doing it, mostly).
[21:15] <yuriy> mornfall: and my more specific question is why are fill() and fillList() in AdeptManager? I was thinking it would make sense to extend a Q...Model and add those there
[21:16] <mornfall> yuriy: That's subject of further refactoring as well.
[21:17] <mornfall> yuriy: When AdeptManager becomes bigger, things will be offloaded that make sense. It doesn't however make that much sense to do too much design upfront.
[21:17] <yuriy> mornfall: ok, thanks.
[21:17] <mornfall> I got to be quick, my schedule is pretty tight : - ).
[21:18] <mornfall> yuriy: If you will be around tomorrow, we can talk in more detail. And thanks for both feedback and interest.
[21:18] <mornfall> Goodnight...
[21:18] <yuriy> mornfall: heh, me too. but that's why i'm concerned about making it easy for other people to work with: so that others can easily take over
[21:18] <yuriy> good night
[21:43] <mhb> Tonio_: we don't, because it would need some love nobody is able to provide
[21:44] <Tonio_> mhb: oki
[21:45] <Tonio_> mhb: sad, but honnest :/
[21:46] <Tonio_> mhb: at least guidance-power-manager will now have translations :)
[21:46] <Tonio_> mhb: 8 hours on that bug, but I (with the help of riddell- found it :)
[21:46] <Tonio_> 2 years I wanted to fix it hehe =)
[21:46] <mhb> good news
[21:50] <fdoving> Tonio_: nice work, 8 more hours and you have a qt4 version ready? :)
[21:50] <Tonio_> lol
[22:01] <fdoving> hum, doesn't dolphin in kde4 support servicemenus anymore? - i can't make them appear anywhere.
[22:49] <nixternal> imbrandon: -j3 or -j4 for dual-core and gnu make?
[22:49] <nixternal> I thought it was -j $(num_procs) + 1
[22:52] <Riddell> - 1 surely, you want some free capacity
[22:52] <nixternal> so then do -j3 for dual core then
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> ok, so I wrote up a xession.d script which checks for a file in .kde. problem is I don't have kde3 to test with.
[22:53] <nixternal> lol
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> (this is for autostarting compiz)
[22:53] <nixternal> I am installing kde4 via svn on my dual-core box so I can work on a new help app for kde4
[22:54] <blizzzek> gn8
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> would someone test it for me?
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> hmmm it crashes kde4. something to do with an autostarted session of compiz trying to replace the WM (hich is compiz)
[23:02] <iRon> nosrednaekim: i could test it on kde3.. where is it?
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> iRon: its just one file, I'll pastebin it..
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[23:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[23:03] <iRon> ok.. waiting..
[23:04] <mhb> just 55 minutes until KDE4 freeze!
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> it needs to be written to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/25compiz-enable
[23:04] <mhb> nosrednaekim: you called?
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> mhb: yeah... what I was trying to work with your QT4 GUI for the compiz config...
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> iRon: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50653/
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> mhb: what signal is emitted when you click the apply button?
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I tried "accepted()" but that didn't do anything.
[23:06] <iRon> nosrednaekim: k, hang on..
[23:06] <mhb> it must be accept() or something like that
[23:07] <mhb> did I just implement close() in the code?
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> iRon: then run "touch ~/.kde/share/config/compizasWM"
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> mhb: yes
[23:09] <fdoving> mhb: does servicemenus work for you, in kde4? (either dolphin or konq? )
[23:09] <mhb> nosrednaekim: void accepted ()
[23:09] <mhb> nosrednaekim: that should be it, according to the Qt docs
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> mhb: yeah...but it doesn't do anything :(
[23:10] <mhb> you mean it is not passed correctly?
[23:11] <mhb> nosrednaekim: do you have any branch I can test?
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> mhb: no....but I can DCC you the file
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> and I have to get going soon.
[23:12] <mhb> no dcc
[23:12] <mhb> mail is better
[23:12] <yuriy> do i have to do anything for kubuntu email to start working?
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> ok...i'll mail it when I get back tonight.
[23:12] <Jucato> yuriy: did you add yourself to the kubuntu members LP team?
[23:13] <yuriy> Jucato: yep, i'm on it
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> thanks mhb! bye
[23:13] <Jucato> yuriy: oh and btw congrats! sorry I wasn't there to give my +1 :/
[23:13] <yuriy> thanks Jucato
[23:13] <Jucato> hm... usually it takes ~24 hours...
[23:13] <mhb> nosrednaekim: no problem
[23:13] <yuriy> oh ok (hastn't been)
[23:13] <Jucato> yuriy: how are you testing?
[23:14] <yuriy> Jucato: sent an email from my brandeis.edu email
[23:14] <Jucato> oh... hm...
[23:14] <Jucato> lemme see...
[23:14] <mhb> yuriy: be patient I guess
[23:15] <mhb> I tried sending you an email, got rejected.
[23:15] <Jucato> yuriy<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[23:16] <Jucato> (based on your LP account)
[23:17] <imbrandon> nixternal: -j4 ( cores * 2 )
[23:18] <Riddell> why would you have any more processes than you had cores?
[23:19] <imbrandon> Riddell: no idea, but thats what all the tutorals say
[23:19] <iRon> Riddell: this is usefull only for small files, when console output takes more time then compilation time.. :)
[23:24] <nixternal> holy smokes, using -j3 is way faster than using -j2 on a dual core
[23:24] <nixternal> with -j2 I could usually make sense of what was flying on the screen, now, it is all a white blur
[23:26] <fdoving> i use -j3 on a dualcore, haven't tried -j4.
[23:28] <nixternal> in 5 minutes, kdelibs is already 50% complete
[23:28] <fdoving> i like the new oxygen splash.
[23:28] <nixternal> ya, it is nice
[23:29] <fdoving> now i just need to modify the kubuntu bootsplash to only show the progress-bar.
[23:29] <fdoving> and make kdm look nice.
[23:29] <fdoving> the polished systemsettings also look way better.
[23:44] <nixternal> do you smell that? 15 minutes until kde4 tag-you're-it time!
[23:45] <Riddell> I suspect dirk isn't doing to do it at midnight utc
[23:45] <nixternal> heh, ya cuz everyone is rushing last minute to get their stuff in
[23:45] <nixternal> right apachelogger? :p
[23:46] <apachelogger> nixternal: I'm not oxygen's manager :P
[23:46] <nixternal> but you are rushing last minute to upload aren't ya? :)
[23:46]  * apachelogger notes: such last minute commits wouldn't happen @ amarok ;-)
[23:46] <nixternal> hahahaha
[23:47] <apachelogger> nixternal: yeah, cause they just noticed that they forgot to commit the wallies
[23:47] <Nightrose> hehe right apachelogger would do bad things to the person doing that
[23:47] <nixternal> oh man
[23:47] <nixternal> I just want that one wallpaper and I will be happy
[23:47] <nixternal> actually there are 2 that I want
[23:48] <apachelogger> well
[23:48] <apachelogger> 50 MiB of wallpapers
[23:48] <apachelogger> might be enough :P
[23:48] <nixternal> oh jeesh
[23:48] <nixternal> you want to split that up and I can help you push them or something?
[23:48] <apachelogger> everything up already
[23:48] <nixternal> oh
[23:49] <apachelogger> just commited the last name fix
[23:49] <apachelogger> ..hopefully..
[23:49] <nixternal> groovy
[23:49] <nixternal> those got pushed to kdebase right?
[23:49] <apachelogger> yep
[23:49] <nixternal> so I will svn up that badboy before I build it here after pimlibs
[23:49] <apachelogger> hrrhrr :D
[23:50] <nixternal> I just got the PDF info for Chicago's Flourish conference in April...going to be amazing! and huge
[23:50] <nixternal> hopefully Jono will go ahead and commit to be a speaker already
[23:51] <nixternal> if not, oh man do I feel for Ubuntu love going down the drain
[23:52] <nixternal> apachelogger: what revision just you push? 756939?
[23:52] <nixternal> ya I can talk
[23:52] <nixternal> s/just/did
[23:53] <apachelogger> 757018 should be the latest
[23:53] <apachelogger> with cmakelists updates and stuff
[23:53] <nixternal> whoa
[23:53] <nixternal> big time updates are going on then
[23:53] <nixternal> here come your wallpapers
[23:54] <nixternal> could they be any damn bigger?
[23:54] <fdoving> could that server be any damn slower?
[23:54] <nixternal> this svn up reminds me of a windows update
[23:54] <apachelogger> lol
[23:54] <apachelogger> nixternal: 6 sizes
[23:54] <apachelogger> for every possible resolution
[23:54] <nixternal> I see
[23:55]  * apachelogger actually thinks there should be some moving after tagging
[23:55] <apachelogger> like but some of the sizes to kdeartwork or something
[23:55] <nixternal> looks like tagging is on hold possibly
[23:55] <apachelogger> 50mib just wallpapers is a lot
[23:55] <nixternal> watching #kde4-devel


[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[08:39] <kagou> lut seb128
[08:39] <seb128> 'lu kagou
[08:55] <Amaranth> mvo: I fixed the bug you pointed me to, it's in bzr
[08:56] <mvo> thanks Amaranth
[09:08] <kagou> mvo, slangasek have subscribed ubuntu-desktop to Bug #212098
[09:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212098 in nautilus-share ""easy" file sharing not notifying about logout/login" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212098
[09:09] <kagou> after discussion he prefer that nautilus-share should be patched for notificate user to logout/login after samba/libpam-smbpass installation
[09:35] <huats> morning everyone
[09:36] <seb128> lut huats
[09:37] <huats> hey seb128
[11:43] <salty-horse> hi. is there a reason sound-juicer.desktop is missing an Icon entry?
[11:52] <salty-horse> correction: it has an Icon entry, but the menu doesn't show it for some reason
[12:20] <asac> mvo: 1. apturl apt:flashplugin-nonfree?section=multiverse
[12:20] <asac> mvo: 2. hit "No"
[12:20] <asac> mvo: 3. echo $?
[12:20] <asac> 0
[12:21] <asac> that should be > 0
[12:22] <asac> right?
[12:26] <mvo> asac: does it ask you about enabling multiverse or if you want to install the package ?
[12:26] <mvo> (yes, it should return 1 here)
[12:30] <asac> mvo: i didn't try ... i aborted the initial dialog
[12:30] <asac> let me see
[12:30] <asac> yes it ask me for that
[12:30] <asac> but multiverse is already enabled :(
[12:30] <asac> for sure!
[12:31] <asac> mvo: the dialogs of apturl should either get a window taskbar entry or should be "always on top"
[12:31] <asac> if one accidently moves them to the background i have to minimize all windows
[12:32] <asac> saying "No" in the dialog that asks for multivers addition properly returnes 1
[12:33] <mvo> asac: right, two bugs .(
[12:34] <asac> sorry for that :(
[12:34] <asac> i hate bring bad news ;)
[12:35] <mvo> asac: thanks, I will look at it
[12:36] <asac> mvo: any idea how i can force password prompt? would like to check if failing that returns the proper exit code
[12:36] <asac> but somehoe my session doesn't forget it :(
[12:38] <asac> mvo: there is another usability thing. why does apturl always pull the latest indixes? that makes this whole plugin install a pretty long running process and maybe we can use the same heurisitc as in update-manager?
[12:38] <mvo> asac: sudo -k (or -K)
[12:38] <asac> oh cool
[12:38] <mvo> asac: hm, it should do that, it only does it if it needs to enable a new component
[12:39] <asac> hmm ... ok. maybe it goes together with the "always tries to add new section thing" ... but imo i saw the index updates even without that question
[12:39] <asac> now i always get that section question. no idea why. i am sure a few days ago i was not asked
[12:39] <mvo> yeah, I think its a side-effect of that bug
[12:39] <asac> but maybe that was on my laptop :(
[12:39] <mvo> no, I see it here too :(
[12:39] <asac> anyway. i am pretty sure that it does a lot of rumbling even without adding a section because i did extensive testing
[12:40] <asac> last weem
[12:41] <asac> anyway. all this is not critical ... so don't drop other critical stuff because of this. it would just help polish the overall user-experience
[12:41] <asac> but if you can spend 20minutes that would be great ;)
[12:41] <mvo> yeah, I put it on my must-fix list
[12:41] <mvo> thanks for the testing
[12:51] <fernando> moin all
[13:08] <fta> seb128, i've packaged cairo 1.6.0, do you want it ?
[13:08] <seb128> fta: sure
[13:08] <fta> you need a bug ?
[13:09] <fta> seb128, ^^
[13:09] <seb128> no
[13:11] <fta> seb128, ok, goo. it's very low risk anyway as there have been no code changes at all compared to 1.5.20
[13:12] <fta> +d
[13:12] <seb128> we want 1.6.0 anyway, code change or not
[13:14] <fta> seb128, do you need a full debdiff or debian/* is enough ?
[13:15] <seb128> debian is enough
[13:15] <seb128> or dsc and diff.gz
[13:15] <seb128> what is easier for you
[13:16] <fta> seb128, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/debdiff/cairo_1.5.20-0ubuntu1--cairo_1.6.0-0ubuntu1.debdiff
[13:16] <seb128> thanks
[13:45] <seb128> fta: why did you update the shlibs if there is no api change?
[13:46] <seb128> fta: don't bother changing it, I've a patch I want to include, I'll just run dch and use the patch for this one
[14:08] <fta> seb128, I thought it was not desirable to keep a dev snapshot version in there, but do as you prefer :)
[14:09] <seb128> fta: right, will do that too
[14:11] <fta> seb128, do you want me to add your patch ? in case you're busy
[14:25] <seb128> fta: no, that's alright, it's building already but thanks
[16:49] <mvo> Amaranth: are you there? I would like your opnion on the "gnome-panel sometimes disappears with 0.7.4" problem. could it be releated to the fullscreen stacking patch (i.e. stacking the nautlus background window over the panel for some reason?
[16:49] <mvo> Amaranth: I haven't seen anything like this for a while, but recently I had it too (also I have no idea how to reproduce it)
[21:16] <mvo> seb128: is there a way to disable the "dettach tabs" feature in gnome-terminal? it keeps detaching stuff that I don't wnat to :)
[21:27] <seb128> mvo: no idea, I don't use tabs usually
[21:34] <fta> seb128, cairo 1.6.2 is out
[21:43] <fta> seb128, as you preferred to redo everything for 1.6.0, i assume you don't want me to do this one either, right?
[21:44] <seb128> fta: redo? that was only a changelog update and a quick debian rules change, and we don't want 1.6.2, the change I didn't backport for 1.6.0 has a crasher and they are discussing doing a 1.6.4 on #cairo for some hours
[21:45] <fta> ok, nm
[21:47] <seb128> fta: sorry if I didn't use your debdiff but the changes were trivial and I did the change on an another box so it was easier to just run dch and do the change than getting the debdiff you gave me and then apply the git change
[21:51] <Amaranth> mvo: that bug is the expo thing i gave to you the other day
[21:51] <Amaranth> mvo: expo starts thinking it is in expo mode and thus hides the panels
[21:51] <mvo> Amaranth: aha, nice
[21:51]  * mvo hugs Amaranth
[21:51] <mvo> Amaranth: its in now, we also got the freeze exception for universe
[21:52] <mvo> jipppiiiee
[21:52] <Amaranth> woohoo


[02:13] <CIA-42> [qapt] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog compat control libqapt1.install) * New upstream bugfix release * Bump debhelper compat to 9
[03:07] <DWonderly> Riddell: Aye, it'll all become clear at UDS
[06:03] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: libmuonprivate1, muon, muon-installer can't be installed on Oneiric, they depends on libqtcore4/libqtgui4 4:4.8.0, but there is only 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu8.1
[06:15] <rbelem> Riddell, heya
[07:27] <rbelem> Riddell, would you take a look in the kde-workspace that is in that ec2? :-)
[07:28] <rbelem> Riddell, i added the pkgs libkwinnvidiahack and libkwinactivenvidiahacks
[07:29] <rbelem> Riddell, and i'm thinking about move kde-window-manager-plugins and kde-window-manager-data back to kde-window-manager-common
[07:30] <rbelem> Riddell, what do you think about?
[07:31] <rbelem> Riddell, the package is almost ready
[07:31] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm going to bed now
[07:31] <rbelem> Riddell, in some hours i ll be back :-)
[09:00] <debfx> Qt 4.8.1 needs testing. It's available from kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[09:01] <Riddell> debfx: let me try
[09:04]  * yofel updated Qt yesterday
[09:04] <yofel> nothing obviously broken so far
[09:08] <Riddell> debfx: anyone from unity tested it do you know?
[09:09] <Riddell> tsdgeos: ^^
[09:09] <Riddell> and ubuntu one
[09:09] <tsdgeos> me haven't tested anything
[09:09] <debfx> not that I know of
[09:10] <Riddell> posted in #ubuntu-devel I guess if they don't care about testing their software that's their issue
[09:11] <tsdgeos> Riddell: well it's also first news i have we are updating Qt ;-)
[09:11] <tsdgeos> anyhow, we have someone working on a Qt problem
[09:11] <tsdgeos> will tell him to have a look if he has time
[09:12] <Riddell> debfx: any patches needed re-jigging?
[09:13] <Riddell> tsdgeos: it's been reported at release team meetings for the last two weeks
[09:14] <tsdgeos> Riddell: sure, info just didn't move from those meetings to me :D (not sure that it should have anyway)
[09:14] <Riddell> blame your boss :)
[10:18] <rbelem> Riddell, morning
[10:19] <Riddell> hi rbelem
[10:19] <rbelem> :-)
[10:19] <Riddell> I'll look at your change today
[10:19] <rbelem> Riddell, i think i will move plugins and data back to common, ok?
[10:20] <rbelem> so it will lower the changes :-)
[10:21] <rbelem> brb
[10:40] <Riddell> rbelem: sure
[11:23] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: the ppa depends on kubuntu-backports
[11:28] <Riddell> DWonderly: how is packaging the docs getting on?
[11:28]  * Riddell wonders what happened to darkwing
[11:37] <Riddell> debfx: qt 4.8.1 is working good for me, what do you think it needs before we can upload?
[11:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:57] <debfx> Riddell: someone to confirm that unity-2d doesn't break
[11:58] <Riddell> debfx: pitti is testing
[12:02] <afiestas> is anyone trying to package akonadi-google 0.3 ?
[12:02] <afiestas> is 0.2 packaged?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> akonadi-google?
[12:05] <afiestas> http://www.progdan.cz/2012/04/akonadi-google-0-3-arrives/
[12:05] <afiestas> there is a similar project but afaik akonadi-google is the only one that works
[12:05]  * afiestas has been working on it a little bit
[12:09] <Riddell> akonadi-kde-resource-googledata is our current package, is that a different thing?
[12:10] <afiestas> I think so
[12:10] <Tm_T> how that doesn't work?
[12:10] <Tm_T> atleast my lone calendar works with it (:
[12:10] <afiestas> latest time I tried it appointments were duplicated when moved
[12:10] <Tm_T> ah, hmm
[12:11] <Tm_T> let's see
[12:11] <afiestas> maybe I should test it again though :p
[12:13] <Tm_T> no doubling here
[12:14] <afiestas> Tm_T: what did you tried?
[12:14] <Tm_T> I dragged appointment to other time
[12:14] <afiestas> iirc it happened to me when moving the appointment in google calendar and doing the same in KOrganizer
[12:14] <afiestas> or something like that
[12:14] <Tm_T> ah
[12:15] <afiestas> anywya, akonadi-google supports tasks, multiaccount and in the future feeds so is something we want to have packaged
[12:16] <afiestas> and since it provides a libkgoogle library my guess is that more people will start using it
[12:17] <Tm_T> looks like if I move the event, it doesn't sync here now
[12:19] <Riddell> debfx: so i'd say go for it, are you able to upload or do you want me to?
[12:22] <afiestas> Tm_T: last time I tried (like 6 months ago) it had plenty of these errors
[12:24] <debfx> Riddell: yeah I can upload
[12:24] <Riddell> groovy, thanks for doing that
[13:01] <Riddell> rbelem: kde-workspace changes look good, I'll wait until you change back -common before doing anything with it
[13:13] <Riddell> rbelem: ec2 shut down, ask if you want one again, package at http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde-workspace_4.8.2-0ubuntu1~ppa2.dsc
[15:58] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdesdk] Philip Muškovac * 162 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[15:59] <Daskreech> Riddell:  I suppose this is easier to talk about over here ;)
[15:59] <Daskreech> what's wrong with the factoid?
[16:04] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kiten] Philip Muškovac * 30 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[16:05] <apol> I'm getting very weird messages from launchpad: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/99657732/buildlog.txt.gz
[16:05] <apol> anybody knows what's up with it?
[16:06] <Riddell> !kubuntu
[16:06] <apol> m??
[16:07] <Riddell> Daskreech: kubuntu is an Ubuntu flavour using KDE Software and the beautiful KDE Plasma Workspaces.  See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support join #kubuntu - See also !kde
[16:07] <yofel> apol: looking
[16:07] <Riddell> !kde
[16:08] <Riddell> Daskreech: KDE (http://kde.org) is an open community makeing beautiful software including the Plasma desktop.  To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[16:10] <Daskreech> Riddell: that's the update?
[16:12] <yofel> apol: lp:~cyberspace/cyberspace/sal-qml has no debian folder
[16:12] <Riddell> Daskreech: I just said what I wanted !kubuntu and !kde updated as
[16:13] <Riddell> apol: it needs a branch with the packaging, but since it doesn't compile I haven't packaged it and am still poking sreich
[16:16] <Daskreech> Riddell: Ah right :)
[16:17] <Riddell> Daskreech: are you able to do that?
[16:17] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/klettres] Philip Muškovac * 23 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[16:19] <apol> ugh
[16:20] <apol> ok
[16:20] <apol> i thought it was for muon
[16:20] <apol> :/ it's not specified on the e-mail! O.o
[16:22] <Daskreech> Riddell: Makeing or making ?
[16:24] <Daskreech> Riddell: #ubuntu-ops doesn't want to update them
[16:26] <Riddell> Daskreech: you mean the people in there don't?
[16:26] <Riddell> or you can't work out the commands?
[16:26] <Riddell> Daskreech: making (whatever google says, google knows how to spell)
[16:27] <maco> there's no e in making
[16:27] <maco> Riddell: he means the people don't
[16:27] <Riddell> sigh
[16:39] <Daskreech> They were saying that what is there is fine
[16:40] <Riddell> !tablet
[16:40] <Riddell> hmm maybe we should add one for kubuntu active :)
[16:45] <Daskreech> heehee. Lets wait till tomorrow
[16:45] <Daskreech> Or possibly at the next release
[16:49] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kmplot] Philip Muškovac * 23 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[16:53] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kolourpaint] Philip Muškovac * 24 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[16:57] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/konsole] Philip Muškovac * 27 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[17:09] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/korundum] Philip Muškovac * 22 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[17:12] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kross-interpreters] Philip Muškovac * 16 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[17:13] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kruler] Philip Muškovac * 24 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[17:15] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksaneplugin] Philip Muškovac * 30 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[17:22] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Are you looking at the telepathy-qt4 failure in the rebuild test?
[17:40] <DWonderly> Riddell: the docs have already been sent up to translations...  https://translations.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/precise/+templates but so far only spanish has been worked on.  https://translations.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/precise/
[18:47] <Riddell> DWonderly: aye but have they been packaged
[18:47] <Riddell> DWonderly: worth getting a packaging in now even with only the English
[19:27] <afiestas> why there is no dbg package for libbluedevil?
[19:28] <afiestas> just reproduced  a bug I'm hunting but with no symbols bt is really crap
[19:28]  * afiestas tries to execute with valgrind
[19:36] <Riddell> afiestas: try using dbgsym
[19:37] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[19:37] <Riddell> those are automatically generated
[19:37] <Riddell> the -dbg packages are manual parts of the packaging and it means debian packagers have made tham
[19:42] <afiestas> Riddell: thanks
[19:45] <afiestas> Riddell: that was more complicated than expected :/
[19:45] <afiestas> does ubuntu do something magic with their crash monitor?
[19:46] <yofel> crash monitor? apport or drkonqi?
[19:46] <afiestas> apport
[19:46] <yofel> they upload coredumps and the retracing service on launchpad installs the debug symbols and retraces the crash
[19:47] <yofel> so yes, very complicated
[19:47] <yofel> at least it works now, a while ago it broke reliably every month
[20:06] <zorael> Sound notifications being broken on live images; known issue?
[20:09] <zorael> *.notifyrc files don't list the absolute path to the sound files, it seems, and the notification system doesn't seem to assume that means to try /usr/share/sounds/
[20:10] <zorael> eg, /usr/share/kde4/apps/kwin/kwin.notifyrc:5698:Sound=KDE-Sys-App-Message.ogg
[20:10] <zorael> ...doesn't play, but does if I set Sound=/usr/share/sounds/KDE-Sys-App-Message.ogg
[21:38] <Riddell> debfx: are you going to upload qt?
[21:40] <debfx> Riddell: it's uploading right now. 229MB orig tarball :(
[21:41] <Riddell> ec2 machine available if you need them
[21:45] <debfx> thanks but it should be finished in a few minutes
[21:45] <Riddell> groovy
[22:01] <debfx> and done
[22:04] <debfx> there are 2 build failures of kubuntu packages:
[22:04] <debfx> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/99250165/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.telepathy-qt4_0.9.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:04] <debfx> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/99255972/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armhf.strigi_0.7.7-1ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:05] <DWonderly> Riddell: No. not packages yet. Was going to package after the translation freeze.


[00:53] <AlexGC> good evening gentlemen
[00:59]  * owh looks around, no, lots of sun around here, no evening anywhere :)
[01:02] <AlexGC> true its GMT relative
[01:02] <AlexGC> :)
[01:03] <AlexGC> I just finished a server install and have two issues, I cant reboot since I need to be a super user. and don't know the password.
[01:03] <AlexGC> I was told a comand before, but can't remember
[01:03] <owh> AlexGC: So, let me get this straight, you installed ubuntu-server, but you don't know the password?
[01:03] <owh> Or are you talking about the "root" password?
[01:04] <AlexGC> yeah sorry, root password
[01:04] <owh> Riight. That I can help you with.
[01:04] <AlexGC> :)
[01:04] <owh> There is no root password.
[01:04] <owh> But...
[01:04] <owh> You can use sudo to do root things.
[01:05] <owh> So, you can type sudo reboot
[01:05] <owh> and it will prompt you for your administrator password.
[01:05] <owh> Magic :)
[01:05] <skep> or sudo su + passwd
[01:05] <AlexGC> and type in mine.
[01:05] <AlexGC> Cool.
[01:05] <owh> We don't use a root user in ubuntu if we can help it.
[01:05] <owh> Well, that's not strictly true :)
[01:06] <AlexGC> Thanks! it worked
[01:06] <owh> skep: A quicker way to do what you suggest is sudo -s
[01:06] <skep> we? one of my first actions after installing (*)ubuntu is to activate the root account and set a password ;)
[01:06] <owh> AlexGC: Of course you could just have pressed CTRL-ALT-DELETE :)
[01:06] <owh> skep: That is not a ubuntu recommended process.
[01:06] <AlexGC> true.. lol
[01:09] <skep> recommended or not.. i prefer it this way..so it feels more like debian to me
[01:09] <owh> skep: That's a personal preference.
[01:09] <skep> yes
[01:11] <owh> AlexGC: Here is why: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[01:22] <AlexGC> oh let me give it a read, thanks
[01:37] <guiless> how do I change the home folder of a user?
[01:39] <hads> I'm unsure if there's a utility that handles it. You can `sudo vipw` and change it though.
[01:41] <skep> guiless: check out the usermod command
[01:42] <guiless> hads: I typed 'sudo vipw' and now I can't figure out how to exit it
[01:42] <guiless> o.o
[01:43] <hads> Ah okay, bad idea then.
[01:43] <hads> :q
[01:43] <guiless> how to exit and not save changes?
[01:43] <hads> :q!
[01:43] <hads> What skep said is a much more refined way of doing things.
[01:43] <guiless> i'll do so when i manage to get out of this screen
[01:44] <hads> Press ESC
[01:44] <guiless> nothing happened
[01:44] <hads> Then enter :q!
[01:44] <guiless> nope
[01:44] <skep> works for me (:q!)
[01:44] <guiless> i tried ctrl+x and ctrl+c as well
[01:45] <guiless> mine just beeps at me when i press things
[01:45] <guiless> it says recording at the bottom
[01:45] <guiless> ctrl+z exited for some reason
[01:45] <hads> Well, it didn't it just stopped vim
[01:46] <guiless> that's fine by me lol
[01:46] <hads> You can type fg to get it back
[01:46] <guiless> i like nano
[01:46] <guiless> vim scares me
[01:46] <skep> guiless: press q one time and then :q! if you see the "recording" line
[01:47] <guiless> how do i edit that same file with nano?
[01:47] <hads> My fault for leading you astray. Use the usermod command as skep suggested.
[01:48] <hads> But you should also make sure that vim isn't still editing your passwd
[01:48] <guiless> i should do that even though the file i edited has a bunch of random characters typed in the user path for the user i want to edit?
[01:48] <hads> Typing `jobs` will tell you if your vipw command is still running.
[01:49] <guiless> meh, i just rebooted
[01:50] <hads> Use that hammer.
[01:50] <guiless> lol
[01:56] <guiless> hmm
[01:56] <guiless> I have vsftpd configured to allow connections from local users
[01:57] <guiless> but when a user connects via nautilus, they aren't sent to their home folder
[01:57] <guiless> they go to /
[01:57] <guiless> how can i restrict that?
[03:36] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #267980 in openssh (main) "scp cannot quoted filenames with "]"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267980
[03:38] <vk5foss> is that supprising?
[04:22] <NCommander> ScottK, looks like success
[04:23] <NCommander> ScottK, building now
[04:23] <NCommander> ScottK, mind opening a bug for me?
[04:46] <kirkland> nealmcb: thanks for the compliments, dude ;-)
[08:24] <nandersson> Hi, how many ppl usually attend a Ubuntu Developer Summit? 300? 500? 700?
[08:32] <soren> Oh, no, not that many.
[08:33] <soren> I'd say more like 100 or thereabouts.
[08:35] <kgoetz> wow. thats small
[08:35] <soren> That's what she said :(
[08:35] <kgoetz> :(
[08:35] <kgoetz> hehe
[08:36] <nandersson> soren, Ok, thank you very much :)
[08:37] <soren> I think the UDS at Mountain View last time was larger, though, I think.
[08:40] <nandersson> UDS in december will not be the first time Google hosts a UDS-event right?
[08:40] <kgoetz> correct.
[08:40] <soren> nandersson: Right. They hosted it two years ago as well.
[08:40] <soren> nandersson: That must have been the UDS where we planned for....
[08:40] <soren> err...
[08:41] <soren> feisty, I think.
[08:41] <soren> Yes, it must have been.
[08:41] <nandersson> soren, :-) Thank you very much. I'm writing for Swedish TechWorld Open Source and I'm putting together a blog post
[08:41] <soren> nandersson: Oh, cool.
[08:42] <nandersson> Very interesting with these "weblications"
[08:42] <kgoetz> soren: watch out, anything you say will be used in evidence against you :P
[08:42] <nandersson> haha
[08:42] <nandersson> Nah, I'm just after some background information
[08:45] <soren> :)
[08:46] <soren> nandersson: Feel free to ask. I'm happy to help.
[08:57] <kgoetz> afk. have a good interview ;)
[09:48] <owh> soren: Is the location for the next UDS known, I mean, the one after the coming one, so the next-next one if you like :)
[09:57] <skep> owh: you might ask in #ubuntu-devel-summit , although i doin't think the next ones are known
[09:57] <owh> skep: Tah
[10:24] <mehdi> hello
[10:25] <jussi01> hi mehdi :) Try here :)
[10:25] <mehdi> thx
[10:25] <owh> mehdi: Welcome to the Ubuntu-server helpdesk. How may we direct your call today?
[10:25] <owh> :)
[10:26] <mehdi> i would like use vhost with apache2
[10:26] <skep> and your problem is?
[10:26] <mehdi> i make 2 files in etc/apache2/site en
[10:27] <mehdi> a make link with a2ensite
[10:27] <mehdi> when a reload apache
[10:27] <mehdi> i have
[10:27] <mehdi>  /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
[10:27] <mehdi>  * Reloading web server config apache2 [warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 80, the first has precedence
[10:27] <mehdi>  [warn] NameVirtualHost myip:0 has no VirtualHosts
[10:30] <mehdi> do you mean it's better if a try  to make my vhost in default file /etc/apache2/site-enabled
[10:31] <owh> mehdi: I believe that it's telling you that your two sites have definitions that are the same.
[10:31] <mehdi> where i can change a definition ?
[10:32] <skep> mehdi: first of all..your config files are in /sites-availabe and your symlinks in /site-enabled,,
[10:32] <owh> mehdi: Have a read of this: http://www.heavymind.net/2007/07/25/virtualhosts-nightmare-on-suse/
[10:32] <skep> do you have a NameVirtualHost *:80 line in your files
[10:35] <owh> mehdi: What skep is saying is correct. The URL I showed you explains why.
[10:35] <soren> owh: I doubt it. Although, there's a tendency to alternate between Europe and North America, so "somewhere in Europe" seems likely.
[10:36] <mehdi> ok i find some thing in apache2.conf i have now a different message
[10:37] <mehdi> * Reloading web server config apache2                                          [Tue Sep 09 11:44:56 2008] [warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 80, the first has precedence
[10:37] <owh> soren: Tah
[10:38] <mehdi> yes
[10:38] <mehdi> i have
[10:39] <skep> mehdi: and your default vhost-file (the one that comes with apache2 install) is deactivated?
[10:40] <skep> and just to claraify..you have 3 chost files starting with "NameVirtualHost *:80" and <Virtualhost *:80> ..?
[10:40] <skep> *clarify
[10:40] <mehdi> yes
[10:40] <mehdi> i have default and vhost1 and Vhost2
[10:41] <mehdi> i can use 1 files?
[10:42] <skep> of course you can also put all vhosts in one file
[10:43] <owh> mehdi: The disadvantage of that is you cannot disable them individually, but it will work.
[10:46] <skep> what happens if you remove the line "NameVirtualHost *:80 from vhost1 and vhost2?
[10:51] <skep> mehdi: ok..sorry..was confused..still morning here ;-)  ..go to /etc/apache2/conf.d/ and create a file called: virtual.conf and put this line into it: NameVirtualHost *  ...then delete in your vhost files the first line ("NameVirtualHost *:80") and change the next line just to <VirtualHost *> (without the :80)..in case you don't have one site listen on 443
[10:52] <mehdi> i try
[10:52] <skep> although I think you don't need to remove the *:80 part there..
[11:03] <andriijas> how do i make a iptables script launch on boot , the easiest way?
[11:05] <mok0> andriijas: good question, I want to know myself...
[11:07] <mok0> andriijas: look in /etc/uwf
[11:11] <andriijas> mok0: i just need to change no to yes in ufw.conf?
[11:12] <mok0>   andriijas, well that will start the firewall with the pre-defined rules...
[11:12] <andriijas> which are the predfined rules? thers lots of files in /etc/ufw
[11:13] <mok0> andriijas: Those are the ones, yes. I am no expert on this system though
[11:14] <skep> mehdi: did it work?
[11:14] <mok0> andriijas: the script to start the whole thing is in /etc/init.d/ufw
[11:16] <mok0> andriijas: unless there is a writeup of the ufw, you need to study both the rules, and how they are started to understand how it works
[11:17] <andriijas> nice
[11:17] <andriijas> thx
[11:28] <mehdi> Ola
[11:29] <mehdi> sorry many probleme
[11:29] <mehdi> now
[11:29] <mehdi> apache don't say nothing just OK
[11:29] <mehdi> but i have it's work
[11:29] <mehdi> i loose my main page
[11:30] <mehdi> it's possible to copy somewhere my default conf
[11:30] <mehdi> like this you can see
[11:33] <skep> mehdi http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:37] <mehdi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/44858/
[11:40] <skep> uhm..maybe i'm completely on the wrong track here, but don't the Directory stuff belong *inside* the <Virtualhost>...</Virtualhost>???
[11:40] <skep> i haven't seen such a setup (outside) before
[11:41] <skep> and the first directive is wrong..it starts with <\..> and ends with <...> ,should be the other way around
[11:43] <mehdi> ok
[11:46] <skep> so to sum up: you should put on (or more) <Directory /path/to/directoy>...</Directory> inside each <Virtualhost *:80>..</VirtualHost> part, depending on your actual setup..and then it should work..
[11:46] <skep> *put one
[11:47] <skep> same with the rest (ErrorLog, Alias ect)
[11:55] <mehdi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/44863/ like this
[11:56] <skep> um..no..
[11:56] <mehdi> a
[11:56] <mehdi> can you give me post exemple please
[11:56] <skep> one second
[11:57] <mehdi> thx
[11:59] <skep> http://paste.ubuntu.com/44865/
[11:59] <incorrect> first bit of advise, put each vhost config into separate files, second, everything goes inside the <VirtualHost Entry> third, remove the doc / cgi config  forth,  use ServerName for each vhost,  move NameServer into ports.conf
[12:00] <incorrect> i found the server guide for intrepid,  I wanted to review the ldap replication info
[12:04] <mehdi> ok
[12:04] <skep> mehdi: if you don't know what all the lines inside the directoy directive mean..please read that up on apache.org or other sites...let alone for security reasons
[12:05] <mehdi> i have a message
[12:06] <mehdi> [Tue Sep 09 13:13:35 2008] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
[12:06] <mehdi> httpd (pid 10645) already running
[12:06] <incorrect> mehdi, sigh, you didn't create the nameserver entry did you
[12:06] <incorrect> by default you get *
[12:07] <incorrect> i suggest you create NameVirtualHost *:80, and put it in ports.conf
[12:07] <incorrect> next to the line that says listen 80
[12:08] <kgoetz> incorrect: why put it in ports.conf?
[12:08] <incorrect> also you might find  'apache2ctl -t' handy
[12:08] <incorrect> kgoetz, well its a fairly sensible place to put it,  its pretty dumb to put it in the vhost config if you have more than one vhost,
[12:09] <incorrect> you will get loads of warnings
[12:09] <skep> you can put in in any file in conf.d afaik
[12:09] <skep> i for example have it in virtual.conf (in conf.d)
[12:09] <incorrect> Listen 80 NameVirtualHost *:80 is sensible
[12:09]  * kgoetz cant remember how his are setup, and isnt bothering to check *g*
[12:10] <incorrect> this way you have one place to check that you remembered to tell apache to listen on that port and you declared the virtual host entry for it
[12:10] <skep> in ports.conf i only have my port settings for 80 and 443 and in virtual.conf * (instead of *:80)
[12:11] <incorrect> additional overhead, i am lazy
[12:11] <skep> :-)
[12:11] <incorrect> you can even wrap you nameserver entry with your ssl if clauses
[12:11] <skep> everyone as he/she likes :)
[12:12] <incorrect> i think its pretty bad that by default its in the default vhost
[12:12] <skep> true
[12:12] <skep> well..not really bad, but confusing
[12:12] <incorrect> confusing is bad
[12:13] <skep> apache 1.3 was really confusing..v2 is much better and cleaner..
[12:13] <incorrect> sendmail is really confusing
[12:13] <hads> heh
[12:13] <skep> haha
[12:15] <incorrect> i've lost my link to the server docs for intrepid,   can someone point me in the right direction
[12:16] <hads> The server guide? If so it's the tinyurl in the topic.
[12:16] <incorrect> intrepid
[12:16] <hads> My bad
[12:16] <incorrect> i am after the ldap replication info
[12:16] <hads> Past my bed time
[12:16] <skep> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/IntrepidServerGuide
[12:17] <skep> well..quiet empty..and edubuntu..
[12:17] <skep> *quite
[12:18] <skep> so the tinyurl is the best one
[12:34] <spiekey> Hello!
[12:34] <spiekey> soren: you there? :)
[12:38] <spiekey> well,maybe someone else knows....
[12:38] <spiekey> i am failing to build lighttpd: http://pastebin.com/m2a6421c2
[12:38] <spiekey> it cant find lua.h for some reason :-/
[12:40] <soren> I need more context. Specifically the 5-10 lines that lead up to "mod_magnet_cache.h:8:17: error: lua.h: No such file or directory"
[12:42] <spiekey> better? http://pastebin.com/m1909b0d7
[12:43]  * soren looks
[12:43] <spiekey> thanks
[12:43] <soren> Yes, that's much better.
[12:44] <soren> As you can see, the gcc commandline does not include a "-I/usr/include/lua5.1/"
[12:44] <soren> I'm not sure why, though.
[12:44] <soren> Which version of lighty is this?
[12:44] <spiekey> lighttpd-1.4.19
[12:47] <soren> spiekey: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16408327/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.lighttpd_1.4.19-4ubuntu2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[12:48] <soren> spiekey: We pass --with-lua=5.1
[12:48] <CrummyGummy> Hello, Last night I upgraded my server to hardy and now my subjects in postfix are coming through like Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?B?U1BPVDogQWxhcm0gYWN0aXZhdGVkIG9uIEZsdWZmeSBAIDIwMDgvMDkvMDkgMDE6NDE6NDMgUE0=?= Any idea what could be causing this?
[12:48] <soren> Does that work for you?
[12:48] <soren> I doubt postfix started rewriting subject lines.
[12:49] <CrummyGummy> Agreed. Its seems to be somethign to do with the encoding.
[12:49] <soren> What kind of content filtering do you have? spam and/or virus filtering?
[12:49] <soren> Did you by any chance change your e-mail client as well?
[12:50] <CrummyGummy> The client changed nothing. I just ran an upgrade. I have a python filter that manipulates emails coming in, thats where I noticed the problem.
[12:51] <CrummyGummy> The =?WINDOWS-1252? is the encoding being used.
[12:51] <spiekey> soren: nope :-/ http://pastebin.com/m38268fee
[12:51] <CrummyGummy> THis changes with the encoding.
[12:53] <soren> CrummyGummy: yes. And that's the correct way to specify your encoding.
[12:53] <soren> CrummyGummy: Are you entirely positive that this was not the case before? Where are these mails coming from?
[12:55] <CrummyGummy> Yes, I can see it in my mail logs. Last night subject was readable and then it was unreadable. The mail is comeing from some sort of client app.
[12:55] <CrummyGummy> I'm not sure. It works find from kmail.
[12:55] <soren> I think you're barking up the wrong tree with postfix, to be honest.
[12:55] <soren> I'd look elsewhere.
[12:56] <soren> postfix has never been in the habit of modifying subject lines, as far as I know.
[12:57] <CrummyGummy> hmmm, maybe I need to work out how to decode this in python.
[12:59] <CrummyGummy> Is there a package with codepages that may not have been installed properly?
[13:05] <soren> i can't think of any, no.
[13:05] <soren> 7win 21
[13:05] <soren> Gah
[13:07] <CrummyGummy> hmmm, lemme see if the postfix guys ahve a clue.
[13:12]  * CrummyGummy is getting the client to send plain text, no punctuations.
[13:50] <spiekey> soren: any further ideas?
[13:53] <spiekey> argh! i had something in my env variables!! )(/()/(/&/(&$&%§&$%§&
[13:53] <spiekey> thanks anyway
[13:54] <_ruben> hrm .. i delete a (hardware) raid array and created a larger one, but didnt wipe the disks, so the gpt sig is still there and wrong .. parted crashes when it tries to fix it :/
[14:09] <soren> _ruben: Wipe it?
[14:11] <soren> _ruben: Not all of the disk, just the parts where the GPT resides (probably the first few kb of the disk should suffice).
[14:12] <_ruben> soren: thats what im looking into now .. but i think its at the old end of the 'disk', if i read the errors correctly .. currently rebooting the box .. will doublecheck
[14:15] <_ruben> ah .. the *backup* gpt table isnt at the end of the disk .. lets wipe the first few bits :)
[14:17] <_ruben> yay .. fixed .. wonder if i could've just done mklabel without wiping first .. it was print that was complaining :p
[14:23] <didrocks> jdstrand: if you want, I can help you to backport ufw and iptables in hardy (I do not know the procedure yet, but I have currently the time to do it)
[14:28] <jdstrand> mok0: re ufw> see 'man ufw' and https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html
[14:29] <mok0> jdstrand: hey thanks!
[14:29] <jdstrand> didrocks: sure, go for it :) Keep in mind, iptables backport will likely not be straightforward
[14:31] <didrocks> jdstrand: it will be a good experiment for my first backport :)
[14:32] <didrocks> I think this is the good entry point: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#Backport%20Process ?
[14:33]  * jdstrand nods
[14:35] <jdstrand> sommer: your changes to ufw docs look great! :)
[14:35] <sommer> jdstrand: party!
[14:35] <incorrect> hmm i wrote a detailed setup for bonding,  now i can't find it
[15:51] <nijaba> server community meeting in 10' -> #ubuntu-meeting
[15:54] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm - update-motd is still in universe.
[15:54] <mathiaz> kirkland: do you have a MIR for it ?
[15:54] <kirkland> mathiaz: yes
[15:54] <mathiaz> kirkland: has the MIR been approved ?
[16:28] <stapel> I want to share a folder with samba to anyone readonly
[16:28] <stapel> can someone help with that please?
[16:29] <stapel> anyone???
[16:33] <ropetin> stapel: simply set the file level permissions of the files/folders in question to read only and you're good to go
[16:35] <stapel> if I try to connect from XP I get an error message when clicking on the ubuntu server hostname
[16:35] <ropetin> How did you set up the samba share?
[16:36] <stapel> I have deleted the smb.conf and started from scratch
[16:36] <stapel> only have two stanzas in there
[16:36] <stapel> [global]
[16:36] <stapel> [sharename]
[16:36] <stapel> in global i just set the workgroup - thats all
[16:37] <stapel> in [sharename] I just set path and comment
[16:37] <stapel> thats it
[16:38] <ropetin> OK, and did you set up a samba user to authenticate as?
[16:38] <stapel> don't think so...how can I check?
[16:39] <stapel> ...not really sure what u mean
[16:39] <stapel> is that the smbpasswd thing?
[16:39] <ropetin> My understanding (and I'm just a newbie, so don't blame me if I'm wrong!) is that samba has it's own users
[16:40] <stapel> ok
[16:40] <ropetin> Yes, smbpasswd
[16:40] <stapel> so how do I set up a samba user?
[16:41] <ropetin> If I remember rightly;
[16:41] <stapel> and will anyone automatically log in as this user then?
[16:41] <ropetin> sudo smbpasswd -a username
[16:41] <ropetin> then
[16:41] <ropetin> sudo smbpasswd -e username
[16:41] <ropetin> No, it won't be automatic
[16:42] <stapel> ok, let me give that a go quickly
[16:45] <stapel> okay, I have done that...so how do i tell samba that i want all users to log on as this user?
[16:51] <stapel> any idea how to proceed from there?
[17:47] <themime> i want to install mod_proxy into apache.  apache was either installed via apt-get or at install time (same thing i guess right?).  so my understanding is that the best solution is having the module recompiled into apache.  but i don't have the source, and i want to keep the package intact, so im not sure how about going about this.  suggestions?
[18:31] <themime> had to change locations, did someone answer my question by chance (about mod_proxy).   for now i actually just used a2enmod, but as i understand just "enables" it, it doesn't compile it in
[18:35] <sommer> themime: why do you want to "compile it in"?  the module is already compiled
[18:39] <Goosemoose> anyone know what avahi's purpose is since it's preventing my machines from joining an AD domain?
[18:41] <Goosemoose> ok i actually found another solution: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/80900/comments/26
[18:41] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 80900 in avahi "problems resolving fully qualified domain names in environments where .local is used as a TLD" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:41] <Goosemoose> suggestion changing the nsswith.conf file
[18:42] <Goosemoose> tested and it works
[18:42] <Goosemoose> question is how do I work that in to a preseed?
[18:43] <NCommander> Goosemoose, what are you trying to do specifically?
[18:45] <Goosemoose> make 500 computers join an AD domain
[18:46] <Goosemoose> from the preseed.cfg file
[18:46] <Goosemoose> when they are being imaged using PXE over the network
[18:46] <NCommander> I haven't done much with preseeding
[18:46]  * NCommander checks what package owns nsswitch.conf
[18:47] <themime> sommer: its not really compiled in from my understanding, just loaded in?  if it doesn't make a difference i won't mess with it for now, although id like to know how to do it in the future.  but i think ill concentrate on figuring out how directives/configuring the module work first
[18:47] <Goosemoose> NCommander, thanks
[18:47] <n-iCe_> hello, how can I remove ubuntu-server to ask login in the startup
[18:48] <NCommander> n-iCe_, login as in?
[18:48] <themime> haha, fail
[18:48] <NCommander> themime, I'm really hoping he's not asking what I think he's asking
[18:48] <themime> i know, hence the fail
[18:49] <themime> lets address it seriously though rather than make fun of him, everyone has to start new sometime in their lives
[18:49] <NCommander> Goosemoose, I've never network deployed Debian or Ubuntu, but I do know preseed can run proper commands, you could do something like cat <<- EOF *contents of nsswtich* > /etc/nsswitch.conf
[18:49] <NCommander> Or something like that
[18:49] <NCommander> s/proper/shell/g
[18:49] <themime> n-iCe_: in all seriousness, the login at startup is a security thing, removing it basically negates a large chunk of the security
[18:49] <Goosemoose> hmm ok, guess ill need to look at the late command some more, thanks
[18:50] <themime> n-iCe_: I'm assuming you mean the login prompt with a monitor/keyboard plugged in, ie the graphical one.  If this is a case there is a way to do it, but then I have to ask, why are you using the server version?
[18:51] <sommer> themime: it doesn't make any difference, and to "compile it in" would mean you'd have to recompile apache... and wouldn't really make much sense to me
[18:51] <sommer> themime: the advantage of a module is that you can load and unload it as needed
[18:52] <themime> sommer: i know apache would have to be recompiled.  i mean as of right now, i guess I'm set and can start looking into how configuring modules work, but just for my own curiosuity I'd like to know how to compile them in after having apt-get'd it in the first place.  but ill leave that for another day.
[18:53] <NCommander> themime, you can compile a package from source with apt-get -b source *package*
[18:53] <NCommander> (that will grab the source package and generate the debs)
[18:54] <themime> NCommander: well, in this case we're talking about a module for apache.  the only one i saw that was what i wanted was proxy_html, but i need mod_proxy and mod_proxy_http (which i a2enmod'd in anyway, so its not a big deal right now).  now i need to find some good docs for configuring it
[18:55] <NCommander> themime, grab the module source, then use apxs to install and configure it against Ubuntu's apache
[18:55] <themime> oh, so thats what apxs does
[18:55] <NCommander> themime, libapache2-mod-proxy-html - Apache2 filter module for HTML links rewriting
[18:55] <NCommander> Or just install the Ubuntu package
[18:56] <themime> thats the one i saw, but it looked like a sub package of proxy, not the full deal, but i may be wrong
[18:56] <themime> NCommander: what do you mean "just install the ubuntu package" - just to make sure i understand you correctly, you just mean apt-get install libapache2-modetcetc?
[18:56] <NCommander> themime, no, apt-get install libapache2-mod-proxy-html
[18:57] <NCommander> which will properly add the module to the default config
[18:57] <NCommander> Oh
[18:57] <NCommander> Yeah
[18:57] <themime> hehe
[18:58] <themime> was too lazy to type it all out.  oh well, for now, i have them loaded, so ill maybe mess with compiling them in later.  thanks for the info
[18:58] <themime> any good links to configuring modules/how directives work?  or should i just use the basic apache docs?
[18:59] <n-iCe_> uhm
[19:00] <themime> n-iCe_: scroll up, we responded
[19:00] <n-iCe_> yeah im reading jiji, my grandmother called me
[19:00] <n-iCe_> ok
[19:00] <themime> np
[19:01] <n-iCe_> I use it, because I set up some psybnc's eggdrops, etc, but when the power wents off, the pc restarts but can't start again, because asks my login
[19:02] <Goosemoose> question. with my windows machines i can 'push' new programs out across my domain when I need to using various methods. How would I do this with my ubuntu machines?
[19:02] <Goosemoose> for example push an OO.org update? or a new program
[19:04] <themime> directives are just placed in the httpd.conf, correct?  (or whatever equivilent is, i use apache 1.3 with centos/rh at work so it may different with apache2.2/ubuntu)
[19:04] <themime> or .htaccess i suppose would be safer
[19:15] <themime> in order to utilize mod_proxy, does an underlying script have to be running?  something tells me it just doesn't magically start acting as a forward proxy, the URL you want has to go somewhere, i can't find information on this
[19:18] <themime> im starting to think it does.  there needs to be something to handle the http requests, does thats sound accurate?
[19:24] <Goosemoose> for a script using the late_command, i don't need to use sudo because it's already running as root correct?
[19:25] <ScottK> sommer: Any chance you could look into php-clamavlib with clamav 0.94?  In Intrepid it seems to have both a libtool problem and a clamav intregration problem.
[19:26] <soren> Goosemoose: Yes.
[19:26] <Goosemoose> ok thanks
[19:32] <sommer> ScottK: ya, briefly took a look at that this weekend... weren't we dropping php-clamavlib for intrepid, since it's dead upstream?
[19:33] <ScottK> sommer: We can, but at long as it's working, there's no solid reason to dump it.
[19:33] <sommer> well... isn't it not working?
[19:34] <ScottK> sommer: Not at the moment, but if you could fix it again ....
[19:35] <sommer> ScottK: not sure how much time I'll have to devote to that, especially in for the life of the next release
[19:35] <sommer> ScottK: I'd really recommend dropping it
[19:36] <ScottK> sommer: OK.  Let's give it a bit to see if Debian comes up with anything.
[19:36] <sommer> ScottK: sounds like a plan :-)
[19:36] <NCommander> hey ScottK, I posted the debdiff for 3.5.9/3.5.10
[19:36] <NCommander> er, sorry, wrong room
[19:37] <ScottK> NCommander: You want join #kubuntu-devel
[20:11]  * delcoyote hi
[20:12] <davidt> hi
[20:29] <kirkland> when running the installer in a kvm window, what's the magic to drop to one of the tty consoles?
[20:30] <nxvl> ALT+F$NUMBER
[20:30] <nxvl> just don't press cntrl
[20:30] <nxvl> if you are on a graphical environment then it probably won't work
[20:31] <kirkland> nxvl: cool, thanks dude
[20:31] <NCommander> nxvl, alt+ctrl+FNUMBER in graphical enviornments
[20:32] <nxvl> NCommander: yes, but if you do that in a KVM you will see your machines tty, but the vm one
[20:32] <NCommander> oh
[20:32]  * NCommander shoots himself in the foot then :-)
[20:33] <NCommander> nxvl, I think you can change the key combination so it doesn't conflict between the kvm and the host
[20:34] <nxvl> yeah maybe, but a quick solution is that one
[20:34] <nxvl> :D
[20:42] <ivoks> you can open kvm's 'terminal' and send any key combination you desire
[20:45] <ScottK> ivoks: Did you see that new scripts that I got lamont to add to postfix for adding services to master.cf?
[20:45] <ivoks> ScottK: no, i've been busy with exams last couple of weeks
[20:45] <ScottK> ivoks: I think we can integrate amavisd-new via that and postconf now.
[20:45] <ScottK> So we could automate it without any policy problem.
[20:45] <ivoks> i do recall that lamont never respond on sasl questions :D
[20:46] <ivoks> ScottK: we should have a conversation about what do we want enabled in amavis by default...
[20:47] <mathiaz> kirkland: IIRC I had to disable some shortcuts in Gnome in order to be able to use ALT+NUMBER in vnc.
[20:48] <kirkland> mathiaz: it works, if i give the kvm window my keyboard/mouse
[20:48] <ScottK> ivoks: Yes.  Note that clamav and spamassassin are now in Main.
[20:50] <ivoks> i've noticed that, good job
[20:51] <Fenix|work> Greetings... any ubuntu docs for krb5 config?
[20:54] <ivoks> take care guyz
[21:13] <Goosemoose> !seen cjwatson
[21:13] <Goosemoose> fine!
[21:36] <fbc> I'm used to running Debian as my server. My ISP gave me a choice when upgrading to my new server to go with ubuntu server. QUESTION: Does anyone see any reason why I should stay running with Debian Etch instead of Ubuntu server?
[21:39] <Goosemoose> how can i set the preseed.cfg to ask for the computer name? it's the only thing i actually want it to ask
[21:41] <fbc> Goosemoose, I would assume you would just not specify one and it should ask for , right?
[21:41] <Goosemoose> thats what i thought
[21:41] <Goosemoose> but instead it tells me the "" is an invalid name
[21:41] <Goosemoose> I commented out #d-i netcfg/get_hostname string unassigned-hostname
[21:42] <fbc> Goosemoose, remove the entire line... don't just leave it blank.
[21:42] <Goosemoose> it's commented out, that's the same as removing it
[21:42] <fbc> Goosemoose, otherwise you would specifiying a null name.
[21:42] <Goosemoose> right?
[21:42] <fbc> Goosemoose, yes, sorry, so even if you comment it out it is still saying "" invalid name?
[21:42] <Goosemoose> yes
[21:43] <Goosemoose> to be exact
[21:43] <Goosemoose> The name "" is invalid
[21:43] <fbc> Goosemoose, hmmm I'm out of my league here, buddy. Maybe there is someone else here with more experience with it.
[21:44] <Goosemoose> doesn't seem to be anyone else alive
[21:44] <Goosemoose> thanks though
[21:44] <fbc> Goosemoose, welcome :-)
[21:45] <fbc> Goosemoose, maybe you cna help me?
[21:45] <fbc> Goosemoose, I'm used to running Debian as my server. My ISP gave me a choice when upgrading to my new server to go with ubuntu server. QUESTION: Does anyone see any reason why I should stay running with Debian Etch instead of Ubuntu server?
[21:45] <Goosemoose> What are you serving?
[21:45] <Goosemoose> Basic sites?
[21:45] <fbc> Goosemoose, just basic lamp server
[21:45] <Goosemoose> Strange to use ubuntu for a lamp server
[21:45] <Goosemoose> usually they use CentOS or something
[21:45] <Goosemoose> not going to be a big difference
[21:46] <fbc> Goosemoose, I'ma debian guy, not a redhat guy, so centos would be having to learn something else...
[21:47] <Goosemoose> ubuntu and debian are very similar
[21:47] <Goosemoose> from my experience
[21:48] <fbc> Goosemoose, which is why I thought it would not be a bad idea to switch.. If ubuntu-server gives me more support or something, I would probably consider it..
[21:48] <Goosemoose> its usually pretty quiet in here
[22:29] <tristanbob_> how to install a standalone .deb package including dependencies (found in repos)
[22:29] <tristanbob_> ?
[23:02] <tristanbob_> bump