[00:13] <xperia> xnox: it looks like some problem exist with getting the sources. i get allways a error message while trying to fetch the sources as you have written.
[00:13] <xnox> xperia: can you copy your error to paste.ubuntu.com ?
[00:14] <xperia> its say: tag v1.12.7 tagger Conley Owens<EMAIL_ADDRESS>1381959964 -0700 repo 1.12.7 error ...
[00:21] <xperia> xnox: could fix the problem! reason was that i used a older version of repo. downloaded the newest version of repo and everything works like it should now. thanks! lot of people have same problem it looks like.
[00:54] <xperia> xnox: do i understand it right that the next stept after downloading the sources is doing "phablet-dev-bootstrap -c new-ubunt-touch-build" ?
[00:56] <xnox> xperia: no.
[00:57] <xnox> xperia: phablet-dev-bootstrap is just a fancy wrapper to install build-depends, install repo, and do repo init & repo sync.
[00:57] <xnox> xperia: read it's code.
[01:04] <xperia> xnox: huh okay. It was the next step written in the Porting guide. Surprised now that you are right. Its written even. "This tool is a Python wrapper around repo and used to also check out bzr repositories before all code was managed by repo and git." but then what are the next steps? extracting the blobs ?
[01:07] <xnox> xperia: can you please follow guide from top to bottom? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting on the right hand side at the top of the page it has heading in-order.
[01:07] <xnox> 2.5 is "Building the Android pieces" and it has 7 steps in order as subheadings.
[01:07] <xnox> xperia: ^
[01:08] <xnox> xperia: after dev environment is fully setup, proceed to "2.5.2 Enabling a new device" of which there are two ways to do.
[01:11] <xperia> ahh okay 2.5.2 is the next step after the dev enivronment is fully set up. to be 100% sure i ask this again. the step 2.5.1  "phablet-dev-bootstrap -c new-ubunt-touch-build" can be skipped right ?
[01:17] <xnox> xperia: if you don't understand remove everything. and start following the guide.....
[01:18] <xnox> xperia: or like read the whole step carefully instead of skimming
[01:18] <xnox> xperia: "You can check out the source code using the repo and git tools already familiar to Android ROM developers, as described here
[01:18] <xnox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AndroidDevel"
[01:18] <xnox> xperia: "Alternately, all the Android code can be downloaded using the phablet-dev-bootstrap tool....."
[01:18]  * xnox got to go.
[01:19] <xperia> xnox: okay thanks for the help! have a nice time.
[02:28] <Maclaren> hello, i am trying to flash the stable version on ubuntu touch on my galaxy nexus
[02:29] <Maclaren> how ever it keeps saying device not detected or dosent have adb enabled
[02:33] <Maclaren> any ideas whats wrong?
[06:25] <juicyjones> ll
[08:29] <Mirv> oSoMoN: hi! could you get https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.gagnon/webbrowser-app/select-many-noorder-ap1.4/+merge/194031 to lp:webbrowser-app?
[08:29] <Mirv> oSoMoN: I guess by merging that to your branch and then that to lp:webbrowser-app, so that it'd build in the PPA with AP1.4 like others
[08:31] <oSoMoN> Mirv, I’d rather merge my branch first into trunk, then chris’ branch
[08:32] <oSoMoN> Mirv, the two branches address completely separate issues
[08:39] <Mirv> oSoMoN: ok, in whichever order, but please try to get them merged soon as we'd hope to release all apps with AP 1.4 support today (and we can't anymore release anything that doesn't have AP 1.4 support anyway)
[08:40] <oSoMoN> Mirv, I’m on it
[08:49] <Mirv> thanks
[09:02] <sil2100> veebers: ping!
[09:02] <sil2100> veebers: are you by any lucky chance still around?
[09:07] <oSoMoN> Mirv, I’ve merged my MR into trunk, and resubmitted Chris’ MR against the trunk, here it is: https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.gagnon/webbrowser-app/select-many-noorder-ap1.4/+merge/194081
[09:31] <yamc> Does the SIM-lock work already on mako?
[09:37] <DJJeff> is ubuntu touch ready for daily use? or still pretty buggy
[09:38] <sil2100> oSoMoN: hi!  We're doing the 1.4 transition - I got veebers branch in that was doing the transition, but we still have 2 failures there
[09:40] <oSoMoN> sil2100, that’s in gallery-app, right?
[09:40] <sil2100> oSoMoN: yes, and since you have experience in this already, I decided to poke you ;)
[09:40] <sil2100> As you might be able to fix those 2 remaining ones
[09:40] <oSoMoN> sil2100, sure, can you point me to the failures log?
[09:40] <sil2100> oSoMoN: sure, thanks, let me fetch that
[09:41] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Stress Awareness Day!  :-D
[09:41] <ogra_> DJJeff, the basic functions work fine but there are still many missing bits (you can make and recieve calls but there is no vibration support yet for example ... )
[09:43] <sil2100> oSoMoN: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-trusty/464/?
[09:43] <sil2100> oSoMoN: it might be a bit different, as this is already using 1.4 - so maybe it might be harder as I'm not sure how it's with 1.4 documentation
[09:43] <sil2100> But it might not be related as well
[09:44] <oSoMoN> sil2100, I’m looking into it
[09:44] <sil2100> oSoMoN: thank you!
[09:44] <oSoMoN> sil2100, have you seen my answer to Paul’s e-mail about the failures?
[09:46] <sil2100> oSoMoN: didn't read it up yet, but I see you mentioned the two failures there ;)
[09:46] <sil2100> oSoMoN: anyway, you think hiding-and-then-showing would fix it here as well?
[09:47] <oSoMoN> sil2100, yep, the tldr is that similar failures might surface in the future, as they are inherently race conditions caused by the new default behaviour of the toolbar
[09:47] <timppa_> Hi everyone! Just want to ask if there are any plans to support Nexus 5 in the future?
[09:47] <oSoMoN> sil2100, let me check the logs, I guess so
[09:49] <oSoMoN> sil2100, first one is clearly an instance of such a race condition
[09:52] <sil2100> oSoMoN: damn, well at least we know now that it's not 1.4's fault
[09:52] <oSoMoN> sil2100, yeah
[10:06] <oSoMoN> sil2100, I submitted https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/gallery-app/hide-toolbar/+merge/194094, let’s see if that does the trick
[10:07] <oSoMoN> sil2100, where is the PPA where I can get autopilot 1.4 ?
[10:07] <sil2100> oSoMoN: it's in daily-build
[10:07] <sil2100> oSoMoN: i.e. ppa:ubuntu-unity/daily-build
[10:07] <oSoMoN> sil2100, thanks
[10:08] <sil2100> oSoMoN: just remember that it's always risky to use this PPA ;)
[10:08] <oSoMoN> sil2100, I’ll hand-pick the packages I need
[10:10] <oSoMoN> sil2100, it doesn’t seem to have it for saucy, is it for trusty only?
[10:10] <sil2100> oSoMoN: ah, right, yes sadly - but you can download the deb packages and install them on saucy I guess
[10:10] <sil2100> ;/
[10:10] <oSoMoN> ok, I’ll try that
[10:10] <sil2100> Since 1.4 is exclusive for trusty I suppose, sorry for the trouble
[10:11] <oSoMoN> ’tsalright
[10:52] <fta_96_> hu
[10:52] <fta_96_> hi*
[10:52] <fta_96_> i have a question, i got ubuntu touch, how do i dock?
[10:53] <fta_96_> guys?
[10:54] <fta_96_> people?
[10:54] <popey> fta_96_: we haven't implemented the convergence / dock features yet
[10:55] <fta_96_> oh, ok
[10:55] <fta_96_> so when will it be available
[10:55] <fta_96_> ?
[10:55] <ogra_> fta_96_, that is planned for october ...
[10:56] <fta_96_> october?
[10:56] <ogra_> yes
[10:56] <fta_96_> like 2014?
[10:56] <ogra_> right, the month :)
[10:57] <fta_96_> so i have to wait a whole year?
[10:57] <ogra_> 14.04 (the april release) will se further finishing of the phone image ... 14.10 (the october release) will see the first convergence implementation
[10:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:58] <fta_96_> oh ok thanx alot :)
[10:58] <davmor2> ogra_: so image 12 looks good on the whole I've had a couple of niggles with it
[10:58] <ogra_> davmor2, it looks very bad on the test front
[10:58] <ogra_> (failures for maguro nearly doubled up)
[10:59] <davmor2> ogra_: haha sounds about right :)
[11:11] <adi_> I want to know is ubuntu touch supporting galaxy note 2 N7100 right now?
[11:15] <popey> !devices | adi_
[11:15] <sil2100> oSoMoN: any luck with gallery-app? :)
[11:16] <t1mp> how do I get autopilot 1.4 on my desktop? distupgrade to trusty?
[11:16] <sil2100> t1mp: you can get it from ppa:ubuntu-unity/daily-build, but it's trusty only for now
[11:16] <sil2100> t1mp: you can try installing the trusty packages on saucy though
[11:21] <oSoMoN> sil2100, CI job still running
[11:22] <t1mp> sil2100: but soon it will come to trusty without a ppa?
[11:22] <t1mp> then I'll wait until I am sure that I need it
[11:23] <sil2100> t1mp: yes, we're working on the transition now
[11:23] <t1mp> okay
[11:48] <bzoltan> ricmm: ping
[12:21] <sil2100> boiko: hello!
[12:21] <boiko> hi sil2100!
[12:23] <sil2100> boiko: sooo! Do you have a moment for some dialer-app autopilot help by any chance?
[12:24] <boiko> sil2100: sure
[12:53] <ogra_> tvoss_, poke
[12:53] <tvoss_> ogra_, pong
[12:54] <ogra_> tvoss_, soo ... in the light of the backgrouns services discussion ... i have that self written "ebook reader"  ...
[12:54] <ogra_> tvoss_, and reading a book with it is pretty annoying because the screen always dims and shuts down ...
[12:55] <ogra_> what are our plans for foregrounded apps to inhibit suspend in such a case
[12:55] <tvoss_> ogra_, they have to be able to do so, but we need to define the integration points between apps and powerd -> UDS discussion, would need to look for the blueprint
[12:56] <tvoss_> ogra_, less a lifecycle, more a power mgmt question from my pov
[12:56] <ogra_> (i guess there are more use cases where an app wants to override default behavior)
[12:56] <davmor2> robru: image 12 with the new friends app (mentions tab) I'm not seeing friends-service in top now except now and then it uses around 12% then drops of the visible list again
[12:56] <ogra_> well, i didnt see it in context with lifecycle but with background services ...
[12:56] <ogra_> i think its a similar thing ... just that the service listens to foregrounded apps instead
[12:57] <ogra_> tvoss_, great, if there is an UDS discussion i'll try o be ther
[12:57] <ogra_> e
[12:58] <tvoss_> ogra_, I think what the app should be able to do is influence the idle timeout if it is in the foreground
[12:58] <tvoss_> ogra_, which is then translated by the shell, which never jumps to idle and dims the screen
[12:58] <ogra_> (i think it should extend to a lot of other spaces ... i.e. someone could write a scheduler app that overrides the ringtone default based on a scedule etc)
[13:01] <sil2100> oSoMoN: jenkins doesn't like the branch, let's see the failures
[13:02] <oSoMoN> sil2100, yeah, looks like a stupid mistake on my part
[13:03] <oSoMoN> sil2100, I’ll hold off on this one because timp is working on a fix for the uitk emulators, if he manages to make it then the gallery-app won’t need any changes after all
[13:07] <sil2100> bfiller: ping!
[13:07] <sil2100> bfiller: hi!
[13:08] <sil2100> bfiller: so, we're ongoing the migration to 1.4, and it seems the ubuntu-keyboard migration didn't get merged in - I tried approving it, but I get strange failures from CI (looks like a FTBFS, not even a test errror)
[13:08] <sil2100> tmoenicke: ^
[13:08] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/ubuntu-keyboard/port_to_1.4/+merge/193514
[13:14] <cwayne> ogra_: hey, got a sec for an MR?
[13:15] <ogra_> sure
[13:20] <cwayne> ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu/trusty/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch/no-hardcoding-user/+merge/194004
[13:23] <ogra_> cwayne, approved ... will take a while to go in though, i assume didrocks wants to finish the AP 1.4 transition before we rebuild android
[13:23] <didrocks> cwayne: ogra_: right :)
[13:23] <didrocks> knowing that we have fun with other moving parts
[13:23] <cwayne> ogra_: thanks!  that's totally fine with me, no rush here at all :)
[13:23] <ogra_> k
[13:24] <cwayne> just been on my team's plate for awhile, figured i should at least get an MR in
[13:29] <sergiusens> popey, can you look at https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/118/feedback/ ?
[13:29] <sergiusens> popey, and good day to you :-)
[13:30] <popey> :D
[13:30] <daker> oSoMoN: hi
[13:31] <popey> sergiusens: done
[13:31] <sergiusens> thanks
[13:36] <cwayne> sergiusens: hey!  got an MR if you have time.. if not that's fine, this one's not particularly urgent :) https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/phablet-tools/phablet-backup/+merge/194053
[13:37] <sergiusens> cwayne, saw it last night ;-)
[13:37] <cwayne> :)
[13:37] <sergiusens> cwayne, I actually have an MR I need to iron out for the backup locations to be better
[13:38] <sergiusens> cwayne, and you just beat me to this :-P
[13:38] <sergiusens> cwayne,  oh, there's a bug number I think you might want to attach the branch to
[13:38] <cwayne> ah, i didn't realize there was a bug
[13:38] <matv1> video recording mode not working on Maguro. Is that a known issue anyone?
[13:38] <ogra_> matv1, yes
[13:39] <matv1> ogra cool  thnx
[13:39] <sergiusens> cwayne, nevermind, I dreamt it
[13:39] <ogra_> sergiusens, whee, so cwayne made your dreams come true !
[13:40] <matv1> i didnt see it on the last version of the online excel sheet that was put out for dev images
[13:40] <cwayne> lol
[13:40] <sergiusens> lol not
[13:40] <sergiusens> :-P
[13:41] <ogra_> :)
[13:41] <matv1> in fact it says working perfectly. someone should take that offline. LP is the only bugtracker now i presume
[13:41] <sil2100> oSoMoN: did you have a free moment to get this hide-toolbar branch repaired? :)
[13:45] <matv1> ogra_  sorry I am having trouble finding that bug on LP. Can you maybe give me a link or a bug nmbr?
[13:46] <ogra_> hmm, no, i just know it is known ... no idea what bug number that is
[13:46] <ogra_> popey, do you happen to know ?
[13:46] <ogra_> (video recording not working)
[13:46] <popey> its deliberately disabled
[13:47] <popey> bug 1227293
[13:52] <sil2100> bfiller: do you have a moment to get this reviewed? https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/camera-app/autopilot_1.4_fixes/+merge/194141
[13:58] <sil2100> pete-woods: maybe you have a moment for a quick AP-related review? ^
[13:59] <bfiller> sil2100: not sure about the ubuntu-keyboard FTBS. related to mterry's fix at rev  97
[14:00] <sil2100> bfiller: you think a re-run will help? It was building fine during the release yesterday
[14:00] <bfiller> sil2100: might need this MR merged? https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-keyboard/clean-home/+merge/193979
[14:00] <bfiller> sil2100: xnox was seeing an issue when running in sbuild, might be related
[14:01] <matv1> okay thnx popey
[14:01] <matv1> but as i said to ogra_ a minute ago: it says on the excel sheet status of the last preview image video is working perfectly
[14:01] <bfiller> sil2100: xvfb-run: error: Xvfb failed to start seems to be the error
[14:01] <matv1> might be thought to take that offline
[14:02] <sil2100> bfiller: ok, I'll check if it bails out now and if it does, I'll top-approve this one (as it was reviewed already) to get things building again
[14:03] <bfiller> sil2100: just approved the camera autopilot MR
[14:03] <sil2100> bfiller: thanks!
[14:03] <oSoMoN> sil2100, hide-toolbar branch repaired, let’s see if CI likes it better
[14:04] <sil2100> oSoMoN: awesome, thanks :)
[14:07] <tmoenicke> sil2100: maybe just trigger the build again?
[14:07] <sil2100> tmoenicke: retriggered, but it was already the second time I did it - although the first time it happened it was an LP issue
[14:07] <sil2100> tmoenicke: anyway, if it fails now I'll get the test-fixer approved as well
[14:07] <tmoenicke> ok cool
[14:08] <sil2100> I guess we can approve it anyway
[14:08] <sil2100> tmoenicke: any concerns on getting https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-keyboard/clean-home/+merge/193979 in, or do you give green light?
[14:08] <sergiusens> popey, just added a bunch more apps
[14:09] <ogra_> \o/
[14:09] <popey> sergiusens: ok
[14:09] <tmoenicke> gusch: ^^^^
[14:09] <xnox> sil2100: bfiller: i'd rather see https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-keyboard/libpinyin4/+merge/193859 merged. But that will make the built binary gain a dependency on a package from -proposed.
[14:10] <xnox> sil2100: bfiller: but it will migrate fine, as ubuntu-keyboard is the last one holding up to libpinyin2 (both will migrate together)
[14:10] <sil2100> hmmm
[14:11] <xnox> sil2100: not sure if I need a landing ask / further planning on landing that one though. Not sure how everything else will react.
[14:11] <sil2100> Not sure what to do in this case, since we're right now in the 'autopilot 1.4' phase
[14:11] <xnox> sil2100: alternative is to copy libpinyin4 into the daily-landing ppa.
[14:11] <gusch> sil2100: tmoenicke https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-keyboard/clean-home/+merge/193979 looks ok for me
[14:11] <sil2100> So I'd like to merge only as much as we need actually, without touching any code at best
[14:12] <sil2100> xnox: so maybe like this:
[14:12] <xnox> sil2100: clean-home only affects local sbuild, sbuild on launchpad defines a writable $HOME.
[14:12] <sil2100> xnox: is the problem only happening in the CI builder?
[14:12] <xnox> sil2100: that problem does not happen in the CI builder.
[14:12] <sil2100> xnox: it suddently did, at least bfiller identified it as 'probably the same', for instance:
[14:12] <xnox> sil2100: it only happens so far on my local machine / in the mk-sbuild (which is not used by CI, PPA, distro builders)
[14:13] <xnox> sil2100: oh, did he?! nevermind me then.
[14:13] <sil2100> xnox: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-keyboard-trusty-amd64-autolanding/16/console
[14:13] <sil2100> xnox: maybe it's not that? But I'm wondering
[14:13] <sil2100> I just want to get it merged in - I can merge it in manually as well if it still fails (as I did a re-approval)
[14:13] <sil2100> And we can try fixing it after we're done with migrating to 1.4
[14:14] <sil2100> So like tomorrow
[14:14] <sil2100> Since I just want the bare minimum to get 1.4 working right now
[14:14] <xnox> sil2100: well if i386 builder is different from armhf/amd64 (both define writable $HOME), then yes, it could be the same issue.
[14:14] <xnox> sil2100: sounds good.
[14:15] <popey> sergiusens: all done.
[14:15] <sergiusens> popey, thanks
[15:03] <pete-woods> sil2100: sorry, missed your ping, probably better that bill reviewed it, though
[15:04] <sil2100> pete-woods: yes, np! ;)
[15:09] <mhall119> beuno_: ping
[15:10] <mhall119> beuno_: sergiusens has me editing the text on http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/get-started/  about icons and screenshots
[15:10] <mhall119> beuno_: I wanted to check if all icons and screenshots needed to be PNG, or if other formats were supported
[15:17] <beuno_> mhall119, the server doesn't care, so it depends on what the client support
[15:17] <beuno_> alecu would know
[15:21] <mhall119> alecu: ^^
[15:22] <alecu> mhall119: I'm checking
[15:24] <mhall119> thanks
[15:24] <sergiusens> beuno_, alecu mhall119; wrt to png/svg, matiasb told me the svg icons are converted to png on upload; so it shouldn't be an issue client side
[15:24] <sergiusens> I tested an upload and that is indeed the case
[15:26] <alecu> mhall119: it seems that the click scope and click preview are just passing the icons to the dash, so our code would not be affected by it. I would ask saviq if the dash prefers any other formats
[15:28] <alecu> mhall119: in any case, I think the docs should just request a PNG. It's not that we want to encourage devs to start uploading TIFFs nor animated GIFs, right?
[15:28] <alecu> and
[15:28] <alecu> sorry
[15:29] <nik90> mhall119, alecu: There was a design clinic today where the designers mentioned that the icon format should ideally be svg, png or jpg
[15:29] <Guest88254> What is the status of Ubuntu Touch for Nexus 5?
[15:29] <nik90> svg is the recommended format since it scales automatically
[15:29] <alecu> and regarding jpegs, my feeling is that they end up looking ugly at some point... but they might make sense for the increasing icon sizes
[15:30] <alecu> nik90: where did that design clinic take place?
[15:31] <nik90> alecu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHs0bYWcq-E
[15:31] <Guest88254> Sorry if this has been asked 1million times already :)
[15:33] <nik90> Guest88254: I heard its being investigated :)
[15:36] <Guest88254> I just found the porting page
[15:36] <Guest88254> And I got a Nexus 5 yesterday
[15:36] <Guest88254> Maybe I can port it myself
[15:37] <mhall119> Guest88254: the Nexus 5 was just released, give us some time to evaluate it
[15:37] <mhall119> or port it yourself, that would be awesome
[15:37] <mhall119> is there a CyanogenMod image for it yet?
[15:39] <Guest88254> Doesn't look like it :/
[15:40] <ogra_> mhall119, our android tree is still on 4.2.2 ... to make N5 work the first thing to do would be to bring it to 4.4
[15:42] <sergiusens> I saw that janimo` did some work to make it easy to base out of aosp again; so it will be easier to not wait for cyanogenmod
[15:42] <sergiusens> but there's been a couple of code changes which would need to be redone
[15:44] <Guest88254> gtg, but thanks for the info.
[15:45] <balloons> iBelieve, ping
[15:46] <janimo`> sergiusens, I started working on 4.3 too before kitkat got released. I did not finish it yet though, not everything builds with 4.3
[15:47] <sergiusens> janimo`, bionic has changed in 4.4
[15:47] <janimo`> We probably need to set up another tree for AOSP. 4.2.2 could be pushed in the CM-based tree since it already had most of android-4.2.2 in it.
[15:50] <cwayne> sergiusens: hey, i think there's an issue with the calendar app's translations, i vaguely remember you doing some MR's to core apps enabling translations (maybe setting the gettext domain?), I wonder if that never happened for calendar
[15:51] <sergiusens> cwayne, it depends on a ui toolkit feature (I saw a change to that yesterday); does it work for other apps?
[15:52] <cwayne> sergiusens: yeah, other apps are at least partially translated, calendar app seems to be not at all
[15:52] <sergiusens> cwayne, my change was just to make sure $click_app/locale/com.ubuntu.calendar had the mo files
[15:52] <sergiusens> cwayne, let me check
[15:53] <cwayne> sergiusens: thanks
[15:54] <popey> i see 4.4 has a screen recorder function.. that would be awesome if it wasn't android specific... https://plus.google.com/u/0/108191112950724576986/posts/YRRKQxxoit4
[15:55] <iBelieve> balloons: pong
[15:56] <balloons> iBelieve, so I found something interesting with the FM ap tests. They are failing on devices and in the lab, and it's because fm is not seeing new files and folders in some cases
[15:56] <sergiusens> cwayne, at least the layout is correct http://paste.ubuntu.com/6371175/
[15:56] <balloons> iBelieve, have a look: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-trusty/56/
[15:56] <iBelieve> balloons: not even after a few seconds? I think the backend is set up to check for files every 5 seconds. I'll take a look at the link
[15:57] <sergiusens> cwayne, applicationName mathces too
[15:57] <balloons> iBelieve, no.. for example the test delete: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-trusty/56/artifact/ubuntu_filemanager_app.tests.test_filemanager.TestFolderListPage.test_delete_file%20%28with%20mouse%29.ogv
[15:57] <balloons> and, http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-trusty/56/testReport/junit/ubuntu_filemanager_app.tests.test_filemanager/TestFolderListPage/test_delete_file_with_mouse_/
[15:57] <sergiusens> cwayne, aside from that not really sure what else needs to be in place; dpm would know; or I guess kalikiana
[15:57] <balloons> I added some debugging lines in there to prove the file is created, and to have the system list the files in home afterward to ensure that is the case
[15:58] <cwayne> kalikiana: ping
[15:58] <balloons> iBelieve, I also increased the timeouts to 1 min.. nothing, it never sees the new file/folder
[15:58] <cwayne> sergiusens: huh, that's odd. thanks for checking
[15:58] <sergiusens> cwayne, do you know of any tool to inspect mo files?
[15:59] <cwayne> sergiusens: i do not
[16:00] <cwayne> sergiusens: actually now that i'm looking at it, id on't think any of the clicks are properly translated
[16:00] <cwayne> the apps that are properly translated are debs it seems
[16:01] <sergiusens> cwayne, ah, well that explains it
[16:01] <iBelieve> balloons: strange. Are you using Trusty? I will install the app in my Saucy VM and see if it works there.
[16:01] <cwayne> sergiusens: sorry, hadn't realized that all core apps weren't clicks yet\
[16:02] <balloons> iBelieve, yes I'm in trusty
[16:04] <sergiusens> cwayne, you might want this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/0.1.46+14.04.20131105.1-0ubuntu1 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1239627
[16:05] <cwayne> sergiusens: that's what i have
[16:10] <davmor2> kenvandine: image 12 is much better for friends-service, on the top list it shows up from time to time using about 12% then drops off the viewable apps about a second latter :)
[16:10] <kenvandine> great
[16:11] <kenvandine> davmor2, does click-update-manager work for you?
[16:12] <davmor2> kenvandine: yes 9 apps updated earlier
[16:12] <kenvandine> davmor2, it finds updates for me, but doesn't apply the updates
[16:12] <kenvandine> and the log shows errors with signond
[16:12] <kenvandine> makes me wonder if ubuntuone-credentials is broken
[16:13] <davmor2> kenvandine: ah u1 creds had an issue for some as the passwords and creds got rehashed just remove the account and readd it and you should be good to go
[16:13] <davmor2> kenvandine: check u1 on your desktop too
[16:13] <kenvandine> davmor2, ok...
[16:14] <davmor2> kenvandine: that will like need you to re sign in
[16:16] <alecu> nik90: great, thanks!
[16:17] <davmor2> kenvandine: is it working now?
[16:18] <kenvandine> davmor2, well it's different now ;)
[16:18] <davmor2> haha
[16:18] <kenvandine> now clicking install all updates
[16:18] <kenvandine> all the update buttons turn to "Retry" buttons
[16:18] <davmor2> haha
[16:19] <iBelieve> balloons: just tested the File Manager in Saucy, it works fine. Could you create an LP bug, and then I will assign it to the backend developer.
[16:19] <balloons> iBelieve, yes it works on the desktop
[16:19] <balloons> but it fails on the phone and in the lab
[16:19] <balloons> iBelieve, make sense? on my trusty desktop it works
[16:20] <iBelieve> balloons: weird. how is the lab different from your desktop?
[16:20] <kenvandine> davmor2, now the download service is timing out
[16:20] <sil2100> oSoMoN: you got down the number of gallery-app failures to one \o/
[16:20] <balloons> iBelieve, well... my biggest concern is that it fails on the phone
[16:20] <kenvandine> sigh
[16:20] <sil2100> oSoMoN: anyway, what I would recommend is - since the two failures that you were fixing they weren't related to the 1.4 transition, right?
[16:21] <iBelieve> balloons: I don't have a Ubuntu phone at all, so I can't test it on the phone. I'll take a look at the code, though.
[16:21] <sil2100> oSoMoN: as I guess we have had them failing yesterday as well
[16:21] <oSoMoN> sil2100, yeah, that one is really tricky, that’s purely a timing issue, there’s not much I can do about it other than significantly changing the test itself
[16:21] <kenvandine> mandel_, ping
[16:21] <sil2100> oSoMoN: ok, so if you don't mind, let's hold this merge for a moment then
[16:21] <oSoMoN> sil2100, yeah, the failures are due to the change in the default behaviour of the toolbar, so that’s a UITK change, not related to autopilot
[16:21] <oSoMoN> sil2100, sure
[16:22] <sil2100> oSoMoN: I'll release gallery-app as it is now, and then when the 1.4 transition is over, let's fix that up completely ;) Without needing to haste or anything
[16:22] <balloons> iBelieve, sure understandable.. just thoughts on why? I can open a proper bug, just thought I would ask you first
[16:22] <sil2100> oSoMoN: thanks for taking care of this!
[16:22] <davmor2> kenvandine: have you thought about joining QA with those kinda of breakage skills :D
[16:22] <kenvandine> haha
[16:23] <davmor2> ogra_: do any of your devices seemingly randomly wake up when they have suspended?
[16:24] <davmor2> popey: ^
[16:24] <davmor2> ogra_: specifically you maguro
[16:24] <ogra_> davmor2, do you have any SMS notification service set up ?
[16:24] <ogra_> these SMS done get routed through and only cause a screen awkeup atm
[16:25] <davmor2> ogra_: not that I'm aware of
[16:26] <popey> davmor2: no
[16:27] <bfiller> mterry: looks like the xvfb is causing problems now when building ubuntu-keyboard. https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-keyboard-trusty-i386-autolanding/17/console
[16:28] <bfiller> xvfb-run: error: Xvfb failed to start
[16:28] <iBelieve> balloons: not quite sure what it could be, maybe something to do with the folder modified time not changing (but that is just a wild guess).
[16:28] <bfiller> mterry: looks to be i386 specific
[16:29] <bfiller> other arches seem to work
[16:31] <mterry> bfiller, geeze man
[16:34] <mterry> lots of packages use xvfb for tests...
[16:39] <bfiller> mterry: any ideas why it would be failing to start in this case?
[16:39] <tvoss_> mterry, certainly none for the phone :)
[16:40] <asac> rsalveti: you know the screen resolution of the old N7?
[16:40] <ogra_> 720p
[16:40] <mandel_> kenvandine, pong
[16:40] <bfiller> tvoss_: right why are we doing tests that need xvfb for phone
[16:40] <bfiller> for osk
[16:40] <asac> ogra_: thx
[16:40] <rsalveti> yup
[16:42] <kenvandine> mandel_, hey, i'm seeing timeouts in the downloader service when attempting to update with click-update-downloader
[16:42] <kenvandine> mandel_, any tips on how i can get more debug info to see where the problem is?
[16:43] <mandel_> kenvandine, yes, check under XDG_CACHE/ubuntu-download-manager/ubuntu-download-manager for the logs (I know, two times the same, is a bug, is fixed in trunk ;) )
[16:43] <kenvandine> mandel_, i did... all it says is the download service timed out
[16:44] <kenvandine> 2013-11-06 11:21:21,119 - DEBUG - Timeout reached, shutdown service.
[16:44] <kenvandine> 3 lines for each attempt, registered the service, true then that
[16:45] <mandel_> kenvandine, ah, but the timeout means (atleast that timeout) that because there are no downloads we are shutting down to safe resources
[16:45] <fginther> is there a way to remove a click package from a phone? (click -h shows 'install', 'register' and 'unregister', but no 'uninstall')
[16:45] <mandel_> kenvandine, you have around 15s to create a download or the daemon is killed
[16:46] <kenvandine> mandel_, ok... so maybe the problem is in the click updater?
[16:46] <mandel_> yes
[16:46] <mandel_> kenvandine, pastebin the logs, just to make sure
[16:47] <fginther> sergiusens, do you know anything more about disabling MTP? you mentioned it last week, just want to know if you know any details
[16:47] <kenvandine> mandel_,  /home/phablet/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager/ubuntu-download-manager.log
[16:47] <robru> davmor2, good to hear
[16:47] <Laney> is webkit (that's src:webkit in the archive, not any other fork) actually used on touch anywhere
[16:47] <kenvandine> whoops
[16:47] <Laney> ?
[16:47] <kenvandine> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6371449/
[16:47] <kenvandine> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6371454/
[16:47] <kenvandine> mandel_, ^^
[16:48] <davmor2> robru: it's amazing the battery life difference :)
[16:48] <sergiusens> fginther, since the sprint was last week; my normal reviewers weren't available; stuff should start soon again
[16:48] <sergiusens> fginther, do you want a temp hack?
[16:48] <robru> davmor2, hahaha, yeah. it's gonna get even better with the next patch that reduces battery usage even further
[16:49] <davmor2> robru: ohhhh
[16:49] <fginther> sergiusens, sure, I'm always interested in a hack
[16:49] <sergiusens> fginther, just adb shell echo manual > /etc/init/mtp-server-bootup.override
[16:52] <fginther> sergiusens, ohhh, this is per device, I thought it had to be disabled on the USB host. Will this be added to phablet-flash? The problem we see is that devices don't come back to adb after phablet-flash (even though it appears to be successful)
[16:52] <mandel_> kenvandine, that looks, but I might be wrong, that an error occurs in the updater app, so we have to ask gatox_lunch or maybe dobey because it looks like an issue with the libsignon
[16:52] <fginther> sergiusens, so we can't adb shell to the device
[16:52] <kenvandine> mandel_, that's what i thought, but other things that use signon are working
[16:52] <mandel_> kenvandine, lets ask mmcc
[16:52] <kenvandine> but maybe it is something in ubuntuone-credentials
[16:52] <kenvandine> mmcc, ^^
[16:52] <mandel_> kenvandine, exactly :)
[16:53] <mandel_> kenvandine, and he is or man for that
[16:53] <kenvandine> mandel_, i also removed my u1 account and added it again
[16:53] <mmcc> hi kenvandine. I just joined so I don't see the context here. what's going on?
[16:53] <kenvandine>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6371454/
[16:53] <kenvandine> mmcc, ^^ when trying to install updates
[16:53] <sergiusens> fginther, oh, yeah, that; udev override
[16:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti, ogra_ how do you override udev?
[16:53] <sergiusens> I want the ids for mtp to be removed
[16:54] <mandel_> kenvandine, looks like, although I might be wrong, that something goes wrong in the updater when the u-d-m is activated, does not create the download and the u-d-m times out
[16:54] <sergiusens> so fginther doesn't get annoyed in the test lab
[16:54] <ogra_> sergiusens, /etc/udev/rules.d ... just copy the rule from /lib/udev/rules.d
[16:54] <ogra_> then edit it
[16:54] <sergiusens> fginther, ^^
[16:54] <sergiusens> ogra_, thanks
[16:54] <mmcc> kenvandine: yeah, we've seen that before, don't know where it's coming from, doesn't seem to affect functionality. :|
[16:55] <kenvandine> it doesn't download updates though
[16:55] <fginther> sergiusens, ogra_ thanks
[16:55] <mmcc> kenvandine: I'm inclined to think the problem is unrelated to that message, but I'm happy to help debug.
[16:55] <den4ik> cannot get any repo using "breakfast codename" what should i do ?
[16:57] <den4ik> and i did ". build/envsetup.sh" before "breakfast codename"
[16:57] <kenvandine> mmcc, indeed, i agree
[16:57] <kenvandine> mmcc, what can i do to get more info?
[16:58] <mmcc> kenvandine: can you paste the backlog or something? I'm still not sure exactly what you're trying. Just trying to install any update?
[16:58] <mmcc> also, which image?
[16:58] <kenvandine> mmcc, yeah, installing an update just does nothing
[16:59] <Andrew0812> hi can someone tell me how to download ubuntu android and put it on my phone
[16:59] <mmcc> kenvandine: well, ubuntuone-credentials logs to ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/authentication.log
[17:00] <kenvandine> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6371514/
[17:00] <kenvandine> mmcc, ^^
[17:00] <fginther> sergiusens, turns out I have no mtp rules on the current host system...
[17:01] <fginther> sergiusens, so I guess that's not the issue. oh well
[17:01] <mmcc> kenvandine: weird. I haven't seen those QOpenGLShader warnings anywhere before, nor the process ("echo") ones
[17:01] <Andrew0812> plus can I run ubuntu on android?
[17:02] <kenvandine> i see those often
[17:02] <mmcc> kenvandine: what device are you testing on? are you using mir?
[17:05] <mmcc> I ask because I'm using a nexus 7, so I've mostly tested with mir off, which may explain why I never saw those warnings (just a guess)
[17:05] <kenvandine> mako
[17:06] <kenvandine> mmcc, and i first saw this with image 11
[17:06] <kenvandine> and now on image 13
[17:08] <mmcc> ok. I'll update and see if I can reproduce it.
[17:08] <cwayne> dpm: ping
[17:08] <kenvandine> mmcc, davmor2 couldn't reproduce it
[17:13] <davmor2> kenvandine: I'm just upgrading to 13 now I'll see if I can :)
[17:14] <mmcc> me too
[17:24] <davmor2> ogra_, popey, kenvandine: image 13 is it me or does the music app not have an icon
[17:25] <ogra_> has for me
[17:25] <ogra_> i dont have any clocks after a reboot ... once again
[17:26] <ogra_> but music is there
[17:27] <sil2100> boiko: hi! After I'm gone from IRC, could you let robru know about the progress on dialer-app AP issues?
[17:28] <popey> davmor2: i often get various apps having no icon
[17:33] <kenvandine> davmor2, you mean it does update? or the updater fails?
[17:46] <mrqtros> sergiusens ping
[17:46] <mrqtros> Hi all :)
[17:49] <mrqtros> sergiusens in short - I am Roman Shchekin, member of RSS Reader (Shorts) core app developers team. We want to update our app in the store
[17:49] <mrqtros> sergiusens how can we do that? :)
[17:49] <drake__> any idea when will ubuntu touch be officially available for nexus 4
[17:49] <drake__> ??
[18:00] <davmor2> kenvandine: the image updated however I have no apps that need updating
[18:01] <kenvandine> ah
[18:02] <kenvandine> davmor2, actually, i can't install apps either
[18:03] <kenvandine> although that looks like urldispatcher
[18:03] <davmor2> kenvandine: did you remove your u1 account and re-add it?
[18:03] <kenvandine> yes
[18:03] <popey> mrqtros: com.ubuntu.shorts	0.2.137
[18:03] <kenvandine> ** (process:1915): WARNING **: Unable to dispatch url 'click-install://com.ubuntu.developer.cwayne18.uwoot':GDBus.Error:com.canonical.URLDispatcher.BadURL: URL 'click-install://com.ubuntu.developer.cwayne18.uwoot' is not handleable by the URL Dispatcher
[18:03] <davmor2> JamesTait: you about ^
[18:03] <popey> mrqtros: thats the version in the store right now, I believe 137 referrs to the bzr revision
[18:04] <JamesTait> davmor2, what's up?
[18:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: looks like kenvandine hit the issue that others hit but his hasn't remedied itself
[18:04] <kenvandine> popey, is there an easy way to query the current packages and versions in the store?
[18:04] <popey> kenvandine: good question!
[18:04] <popey> yes
[18:04] <kenvandine> is there an "app for that"?
[18:04] <kenvandine> hehe
[18:05] <davmor2> kenvandine: have you turned it off and turned it on again ;)
[18:05] <kenvandine> haha
[18:05] <kenvandine> love that show
[18:05] <JamesTait> davmor2, kenvandine, that looks like a question for mandel_
[18:06] <mandel_> what?
[18:06] <kenvandine> oh... actually it is very likely i have some packages from the daily ppa
[18:06] <kenvandine> that might not be in the image
[18:06] <kenvandine> mandel_, trying an install in the shell i get the urldispatcher failure
[18:06] <popey> kenvandine: https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/search?q=* ☻
[18:06] <davmor2> kenvandine: well you didn't say you were installing random software on it ;)
[18:06] <mandel_> kenvandine, url dispatcher is from ted :)
[18:06] <kenvandine> haha
[18:06] <mrqtros> popey sorry for afk. Do you mean that updates are done automatically? :)
[18:06] <JamesTait> mandel_, 'click-install://com.ubuntu.developer.cwayne18.uwoot':GDBus.Error:com.canonical.URLDispatcher.BadURL: URL 'click-install://com.ubuntu.developer.cwayne18.uwoot' is not handleable by the URL Dispatcher
[18:06] <popey> mrqtros: no, not automatically, manually by sergiusens and me
[18:07] <JamesTait> Ah, sorry mandel_, I thought that was your side. :)
[18:07] <mrqtros> popey ok, thanks! :)
[18:07] <mandel_> JamesTait, kenvandine I'm ubuntu download manager, not the url dispatcher, let me find who you have to ask, one sec
[18:07] <davmor2> mandel_: did you not know it was national blame it all on mandel_ day?
[18:07] <mrqtros> popey try it in free time ;)
[18:08] <kenvandine> mandel_, i was trying this to see if it behaved the same as the update downloader
[18:08] <JamesTait> kenvandine, popey, not that it makes any difference, but you can leave the "?q=*" off. ;)
[18:08] <mandel_> davmor2, lol
[18:08] <kenvandine> JamesTait, but can i leave off the ☻ :)
[18:08] <JamesTait> kenvandine, definitely not, we need as many of those as we can get. ;)
[18:10] <mandel_> kenvandine, JamesTait is ted (Ted Gould) the one you are looking for
[18:10] <kenvandine> everything is tedg's fault
[18:10] <JamesTait> mandel_ is not the droid we are looking for.
[18:11] <davmor2> JamesTait: it is right once you are told this ☻ is a black and white minstrel you can't help but hear Mammy, how I love ya, how I love ya, my dear old mammy :)
[18:11] <kenvandine> seems odd i can't download click updates or install click packages
[18:11] <kenvandine> for different reasons?
[18:12] <JamesTait> kenvandine, I'm not sure where the click-install:// URL scheme features in the overall click app installation flow.
[18:13] <JamesTait> kenvandine, does that trigger the download, or is it used to install a downloaded package?
[18:13] <dobey> mhall119: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1311-better-cookbooks has a typo in the title btw ('boks' vs 'books')
[18:17] <kenvandine> JamesTait, no idea
[18:17] <kenvandine> does click installs work for anyone else on image 13?
[18:17]  * JamesTait is checking
[18:18] <JamesTait> But currently pointing at staging....
[18:18] <kenvandine> i installed url-dispatcher-tools and tried manually
[18:18] <kenvandine> same error
[18:18] <kenvandine> tedg, ^^
[18:22] <JamesTait> kenvandine, I successfully downloaded and installed Franglish from the store.
[18:22] <kenvandine> cool
[18:22]  * kenvandine wonders what's up with his phone
[18:22] <mmcc> JamesTait: did you already have a u1 credential or did you have to add one just now?
[18:22] <JamesTait> mmcc, I already had one.
[18:22] <mmcc> JamesTait: ack. thanks
[18:23] <mhall119> dobey: you don't like Cookboks?
[18:23] <JamesTait> I like boks who cook.  Can't beat a good braai.
[18:24] <mdeslaur> and once again phablet-flash has lost all my user data
[18:24] <mdeslaur> (*$R%*&*&/$
[18:25] <popey> mdeslaur: what command line did you use?
[18:25] <mdeslaur> popey: phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel trusty
[18:25] <dobey> mhall119: AmberBocks are better
[18:26] <kenvandine> mdeslaur, is the backup or restore failing?
[18:26] <kenvandine> mine breaks because the backup is too big
[18:26] <popey> it shouldn't do a backup aiui
[18:26] <mdeslaur> INFO:phablet-flash:Pushing /tmp/tmpEALnua to /tmp/backup.tar.gz
[18:26] <mdeslaur> protocol failure
[18:26] <mdeslaur> ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb push /tmp/tmpEALnua /tmp/backup.tar.gz' returned non-zero exit status 1
[18:26] <kenvandine> bigger than will fit on /tmp so fails to push
[18:26] <popey> backup was only needed between cdimage-touch and ubuntu-system
[18:26] <popey> sergiusens: ^^
[18:27] <mdeslaur> I'll get a full paste up, one sec
[18:27] <mmcc> kenvandine: any chance you can shed any light on when ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts 0.2 actually made it on to the touch image?
[18:27] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, you are using an outdated phablet-tools
[18:27] <mdeslaur> sergiusens: I'm using 1.0+13.10.20131016.3-0ubuntu1
[18:27] <mmcc> kenvandine: it contains a change that looks like it may conflict with our plugin
[18:28] <mdeslaur> here's the full paste, FYI: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6372001/
[18:28] <mdeslaur> sergiusens: it's the latest one in saucy...it's outdated?
[18:29] <kenvandine> mmcc, 0.2~+13.10.20131016-0ubuntu1
[18:29] <kenvandine> is on the trusty image
[18:29] <mmcc> kenvandine: do you know if it made it onto any of the saucy images?
[18:29] <kenvandine> i am almost certain it did
[18:30] <kenvandine> ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts (0.2~+13.10.20131016-0ubuntu1) saucy; urgency=low
[18:30] <kenvandine> so yes
[18:30] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, yeah, there's been updates since then;
[18:30] <kenvandine> mmcc, what's the change?
[18:30] <mmcc> kenvandine: the bug fix for bug 1221845, maybe. but I'm not sure yet.
[18:31] <mdeslaur> sergiusens: it's quite unfortunate that someone who is using the version in the archive gets data loss when it's used
[18:31] <mdeslaur> sergiusens: is there any way of SRUing a fix, or getting the download blocked for that version?
[18:32] <kenvandine> mmcc, how does that break?
[18:32] <mmcc> unfortunately, I have to run for a while now. kenvandine, thanks for the info. I'll keep looking into update/install when I get back - other members of our team are also looking at it
[18:32] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, in theory, the backup thing was supposed to be only used for transitioning from cdimage builds to ubuntu upgradeable ones; I was told that once on that image, people would update from the device itself
[18:32] <kenvandine> mmcc, thx
[18:32] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, I've noticed people not doing that and there is an update in https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/tools?field.series_filter=saucy
[18:33] <mdeslaur> sergiusens: but I thought we couldn't upgrade from raring to saucy using the device itself?
[18:33] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, yes you can, and the latest phablet tools is using an ubuntu commands just like that
[18:33] <mdeslaur> I would be really helpful if the wiki was updated with current information so it doesn't happen to someone else
[18:33] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, instructions have been posted on ubuntu-phone@ for a while
[18:34] <mdeslaur> sergiusens: that's where I got the command line from :(
[18:34] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, which wiki? I think people have spawned too many wiki's to update to
[18:34] <mdeslaur> isn't this the authoritative wiki? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch
[18:37] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, that wiki just needs to add saucy to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Setup_the_Touch_Developer_Preview_Tools_PPA
[18:38] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, if you tell me how to SRU, I'll do it; never done that before
[18:38] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, upir backup should still be in /tmp/tmpEALnua btw
[18:40] <mdeslaur> sergiusens: oh, cool, thanks for that...there were some pictures I had lost, I'm glad they're still there
[18:40] <mdeslaur> I had looked on the device itself, but obviously the temp file was on my system
[18:41] <mdeslaur> oh, actually, the archive's corrupt :(
[18:41] <mdeslaur> d'oh
[18:41] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, so the pull failed as well? :-(
[18:42] <mdeslaur> sergiusens: perhaps there's a 1GB limit on the pull?
[18:42] <mdeslaur> sergiusens: the archive cuts off at 1GB
[18:43] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, that could be it; tbh I regret that backup feature existing at all
[18:44] <mdeslaur> sergiusens: no worries, now that I know about it
[18:44] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, well it's not there anymore
[18:44] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, it's the same ubuntu_commands as system-image-cli (which didn't exist at the time it was added to phablet-flash back then)
[18:45] <sergiusens> mdeslaur, or next time you can do this https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04820.html
[18:46] <mdeslaur> sergiusens: ah! good, thanks
[18:51] <kenvandine> mmcc, my device had some stuff from the daily ppa installed and had a mix of system-image updates since... i did a "system-image-cli -c trusty-proposed -b 0" and now all is good
[19:21] <tedg> JamesTait, No one has told me about that URL pattern.
[19:21] <tedg> JamesTait, So that's why it doesn't work :-)
[19:21] <tedg> These are the ones that work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/URLDispatcher
[19:22] <tedg> This cycle we're planning on making them registerable by packages, but there's some design work needed on dealing with conflicts.
[20:34] <firelmnt> can someone help me with building image for Galaxy Wonder? i cant find CanyogenMod dependencies...
[20:39] <cwayne> sergiusens: ping
[20:58] <bfiller> mhall119: here is list of bp's for apps, sdk and webapp teams that we need sessions for: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0As1Fg7XBGWTjdFZvdUxSV2tvd1pVMWhEM0NYRmJPMFE#gid=0
[21:04] <mhall119> bfiller: more than I was expecting, we might need a 3rd app dev room
[21:04] <mhall119> either that or put it on client or foundations
[21:04] <mhall119> bfiller: do you have time for a quick hangout to talk about these?
[21:05] <bfiller> mhall119: we can move some to client, fine with me
[21:05] <bfiller> mhall119: can do a hangout
[21:06] <mhall119> bfiller: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/bWljaGFlbC5oYWxsQGNhbm9uaWNhbC5jb20.cp9ot6ea34fsee3m0s36h8b5vk?authuser=1
[21:14] <mhall119> Kaleo: ping
[21:16] <Kaleo> mhall119, pong?
[21:17] <mhall119> Kaleo: hey, I have questions about a couple of your BPs
[21:18] <Kaleo> mhall119, ok
[21:18] <mhall119> Kaleo: for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1311-sdk-apps-performance is that looking as per-app performance measurements and improvements, or things to do in the SDK components and platform to make sure we have good performace?
[21:18] <Kaleo> mhall119, mostly SDK
[21:18] <Kaleo> mhall119, but we will take question and give advice on specific apps if anybody is there
[21:19] <mhall119> ok
[21:19]  * nik90 would love to attend that session for the clock app
[21:19] <mhall119> and for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1311-sdk-appstartupsplash is that something that will be in code/SDK, or meta-data in the .desktop file or click package?
[21:20] <Kaleo> mhall119, support will be in SDK
[21:20] <mhall119> ok
[21:20] <Kaleo> mhall119, I doubt there will be much code to it at all for the apps; just metadata
[21:20] <Kaleo> mhall119, but it's not clear yet
[21:20] <Kaleo> nik90, of course you are welcome :)
[21:21] <mhall119> Kaleo: ok, I'm just trying to find slots for these, some might be in client, core or design rooms
[21:27] <Kaleo> mhall119, okj
[21:27] <Kaleo> mhall119, I can probably kill one if needed
[21:29] <mhall119> Kaleo: we're okay for now, but I might ping you tomorrow once dpm has a change to register his
[21:29] <Kaleo> mhall119, thanks
[21:31] <sergiusens> cwayne, pong
[21:31] <cwayne> sergiusens: hey, i hear you're going to be working on a test framework for the platform api?
[21:31] <cwayne> ssweeny: achiang^
[21:36] <sergiusens> cwayne, yes; and is this a wher is the blueprint request?
[21:36] <sergiusens> :-)
[21:37] <cwayne> sergiusens: nope, this is more of a offer to help by giving you the framework we used in UfA if you want it type thing
[21:37] <cwayne> :)
[21:38] <sergiusens> cwayne, ah, that would be nice
[21:39] <sergiusens> cwayne, I was told that you guys would be helping out anyways ;-)
[21:39] <sergiusens> cwayne, I'm not sure this would require a vUDS session though
[21:39] <ssweeny> cwayne, achiang sold us out :)
[21:40] <achiang> sergiusens: well, we still care about the blueprint :)
[21:40] <achiang> ssweeny: cwayne: i got a good price for you guys
[21:40]  * achiang is reminded to feed his new pet goats
[21:40] <sergiusens> a beer at the bar from Chicken?
[21:40] <sergiusens> :-P
[21:40] <cwayne> $3 and a high five
[21:41] <cwayne> sergiusens: alright, so I'll send you all the docs/info/tests we have, and feel free as always to ask any questions
[21:41] <achiang> sergiusens: one thing we talked about was showing you our UfA test framework. not sure how much you can reuse (probably not much) but it would be useful to a) see how we are testing a ROM for functionality and b) learn from our mistakes
[21:41] <cwayne> other than that, I guess we just help out writing tests once a suite exists
[21:42] <sergiusens> cwayne, if you want we can do a hangout or something tomorrow and look over the UfA stuff
[21:42] <cwayne> sergiusens: we can do that if you want
[21:42] <sergiusens> cwayne, if you have any docs I can try and go over them tonight so we can make it short
[21:43] <sergiusens> achiang, yup, sounds good
[21:44] <cwayne> sergiusens: great, I'll send em over tonight and i'll ping you tomorrow
[21:45] <sergiusens> cwayne thanks!
[21:59] <balloons> ping iBelieve
[22:00] <Edwin__> I need Help I try to install ubuntu touch in nexus 7 and I got this error ERROR:phablet-flash:Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way. Removing directory /tmp/tmphiQFII Removing directory /tmp/tmpoZYKKc
[22:00] <iBelieve> balloons: pong
[22:00] <Edwin__> can some tell how to reinstall in
[22:00] <balloons> iBelieve, so looking into our issue again from this morning on fm not seeing new files, I tried touch a new file on the device in teminal app and while shelled in
[22:00] <balloons> iBelieve, fm worked properly and the file showed up
[22:01] <iBelieve> balloons: that's great! so what did you do differently?
[22:02] <balloons> iBelieve, well it's great because it means fm works, heh
[22:03] <balloons> it's not great because the tests still fail, but that means something about how we make the temp files it doesn't like
[22:03] <iBelieve> balloons: so the difference is that you manually created a file using 'touch' versus the tests doing it in Python?
[22:04] <balloons> yes.. So i'll mod the tests and send system calls and see what happens
[22:04] <balloons> if it works, we'll change the temp file creation functions
[22:12] <sergiusens> Edwin__, what's the command you are executing?
[23:03] <cwayne> popey: you around?
[23:05] <popey> cwayne: ya
[23:09] <cwayne> popey: was just curious to see if you'd like to help dogfood my fitbit app
[23:09] <popey> sure thing!
[23:13] <cwayne> popey: awesome, thanks!  i'll shoot you over an email
[23:19] <popey> cool
[23:21] <cwayne> ChickenCutlass: ^ wanna try out fitbit app too?
[23:47] <firelmnt> when i'm getting blobs from mobile, what does it mean cd device/<vendor>/<name>? is it path to somewhere?


[01:19] <its-me-again> hi all ops i se i am banned from #ubuntu i understand Y that is. I am sorry adn ask that i may be considered for an unban in future as i do have ubuntu on another computer i use so would like to come here for ubuntu only help. I have learnt my lesson. I dont mind being banned for a week or so.
[01:20] <its-me-again> I will not come here for another reason than ubuntu help when on that os
[01:27] <its-me-again> did sopmeone try to pm me
[01:28] <IdleOne> its-me-again: you are going to have to come back when ikonia is available.
[01:31] <its-me-again> i was baned for asking help while logged in to  linux mint chanel and ubuntu i think. asking same things. adn being on mint9
[01:31] <its-me-again> that is fair enough
[01:31] <its-me-again> i understand teh ban
[01:32] <its-me-again> i just need to come here for ubuntu help when i am actually using my ubuntu os
[01:33] <IdleOne> I understand that but I can not remove the ban, you will have to speak to ikonia about it and he does not seem to be active at the moment. you can try tomorrow right around the same time the ban was set
[01:33] <IdleOne> was 14:00 UTC
[01:34] <IdleOne> make that 15:00
[01:34] <bazhang> its-me-again, please come back later
[01:36] <IdleOne> oh sorry it wasn't utc
[01:37] <IdleOne> anyway bout 6 hours ago
[01:37] <bazhang> its-me-again, please dont idle here
[01:40] <bazhang> dirtbag256 is a known issue; Iam360 buzag crivit theeanomaly
[01:40] <IdleOne> yeah but he wasn't the issue in this case
[01:41] <IdleOne> or was he? /me reads further back
[01:41] <bazhang> his "advice" was suspect prior to this
[01:42] <IdleOne> I will be quiet and let you take care of it then :)
[01:42] <its-me-again> ok thanks for info i will check back later then i know that i may not be allowed in again.
[01:57] <bazhang> got him in PM. still the same old nonsense.
[03:17] <bazhang> thune3, hi
[03:17] <thune3> since i am not going to register, the question isn't !why, but when, or by what criteria, with the #ubuntu lockdown be lifted.
[03:18] <bazhang> thune3, as soon as we feel the spambot attacks have subsided and its wise to do so
[03:18] <bazhang> very  severe of late.
[03:19] <thune3> should I just for get about trying again until tomorrow, or is there any chance of a lifting in the next 6 hours?
[03:22] <thune3> just my 2c: I think that a lockdown not only puts off the paranoid (like me), but also new ubuntu users who may have a casual question. Lockdowns of more than 1-2 hours are extreme and should be carefully evaluated. That's all, good luck.
[03:24] <bazhang> somehow his IP got reset and he was able to get around the mute.
[03:41] <rww> -!- hehehe<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-unregged
[03:41] <rww> banevasion attempt ^^^
[03:45] <bazhang> rww, nice catch
[03:45] <rww> thanks :)
[03:46] <bazhang> why do I have ops in that channel?
[03:47] <rww> all the #ubuntu ops do
[03:47] <bazhang> so the people in there should surely be able to get voice in here
[03:47] <rww> plus some crazy people like me that shouldn't be allowed to operate an eggtimer (:
[03:47] <bazhang> ie the people who have ops there
[03:47] <rww> (thanks to the ubuntu member cloak)
[03:47] <bazhang> you have ops in -women though iirc
[03:48] <rww> yeah. if -women were a core channel, my life would be a little easier. but it's not, and it makes sense that it's not, so...
[03:48] <bazhang> you in -ops-monitor as well?
[03:48] <rww> ubuntu member cloak again
[03:49] <rww> also why I have ops in irc, read topic, proxy users...
[03:49] <bazhang> yeah you're in there.
[03:49] <bazhang> well some channels are more equal than others I guess.
[03:51] <bazhang> still at it
[03:51] <rww> time they spend figuring out #ubuntu-unregged is time they can't spend being clever and getting into #ubuntu (:
[03:52] <bazhang> heh
[03:53] <bazhang> hehehe<EMAIL_ADDRESS>third time now after the latest ban
[03:53] <rww> I'm going afk and thus /parting. ttyl
[03:53] <rww> indeed
[04:24] <bazhang> bobdroid appears to have a clone, or the other way round
[04:58] <Flannel> Sigh.
[04:59] <ryaxnb> ive been abused on #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:00] <ryaxnb> someone has banned me for no reason at all with no violation of guidelines.
[05:00] <ryaxnb> and no rule-breaking, nada.
[05:00] <ryaxnb> Flannel, please explain.
[05:01] <ryaxnb> hello?
[05:02] <Flannel> ryaxnb: While I was discussing your 15-minute quiet in query with you, it became apparent to me that you would continue to cause a disruption in #ubuntu-offtopic, so I removed that temptation from you.
[05:02] <ryaxnb> :/
[05:02] <ryaxnb> Flannel, i already promised i would not monologue.
[05:02] <ryaxnb> and what exactly is a disruption?
[05:03] <ryaxnb> Flannel, i have made every effort to cooperate with you.
[05:03] <Flannel> ryaxnb: No one cares about flashlights, no one was discussing flashlights.  I never thought this would be possible, but you actually disrupted your own topic (about iphones vs droids) with a flashlight image.
[05:03] <ryaxnb> Flannel, i will continue to make every effort to cooperate with you.
[05:04] <Flannel> ryaxnb: I appreciate that.
[05:04] <ryaxnb> Flannel, now, you need to talk about exactly what rule or principle of the channel i violated.
[05:05] <ryaxnb> any other ops can join in too.
[05:06] <ryaxnb> and i was being perfectly mature for the most part, i got frusturated for a bit because frankly, i still dont understand what rule i violated and youre ban message says "you should now better" but i really dont.
[05:06] <ryaxnb> i apologize for that.
[05:06] <Flannel> ryaxnb: Please come back in 24 hours and we can have this discussion.  I think we'll have a more productive discussion after you've had some time away from the situation to reflect.
[05:06] <ryaxnb> Flannel, this is not going to work if you treat me like this.
[05:07] <Flannel> ryaxnb: For the record, "you should know better" is just the default message in the script I use.  That wasn't conscious on my part.
[05:08] <ryaxnb> Flannel, monologuing was a mistake. however, i wasnt aware that it was against the rules, i should apologize for monologuing and i will now.
[05:08] <Flannel> ryaxnb: As I said before, let's have this very same discussion tomorrow.
[05:09] <ryaxnb> Flannel, i will not accept that, simply because i am very calm right now.
[05:09] <ryaxnb> Flannel, i understand what i did was a mistake.
[05:11] <ryaxnb> Flannel, i cant be any more calm then this. if you base your opinion of my atitude on my inappropiate comment in my PM, youre misreading me
[05:12] <ryaxnb> :)
[05:12] <ryaxnb> what makes you think i am not calm now?
[05:12] <ryaxnb> because for the record, i have admitted my mistake, apologized for it, and am ready to talk about it.
[05:13] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: Please come back in 24 hours.
[05:13] <ryaxnb> IdleOne, you need to explain this...
[05:13] <IdleOne> ok
[05:13] <Flannel> ryaxnb: I've already said, I don't feel comfortable discussing it until tomorrow.
[05:13] <IdleOne> there you go ^^^
[05:14] <ryaxnb> i would love to know why.
[05:14] <bazhang> ryaxnb, please come back in 24hrs
[05:14] <ryaxnb> there is absolutely no way i will be calmer tommorow, and your job as an op is to resolve disputes as efficently as possible.
[05:14] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: you continuing to try and discuss this with Flannel when he has said 3-4 times now that you will have to come back tomorrow is only going to aggravate the situation
[05:15] <ryaxnb> IdleOne, i am aware of that.
[05:15] <IdleOne> so stop now
[05:15] <IdleOne> come back tomorrow
[05:15] <IdleOne> :)
[05:15] <bazhang> there is no "on demand"
[05:15] <IdleOne> have a good night
[05:15] <Flannel> ryaxnb: From my (and others') experience, things work out better if there's some time before the discussion
[05:15] <ryaxnb> at this point, i must stand up for myself, because no one has told me what rule i violated, and its only fair i know
[05:16] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: the common sense rule that is in the /topic
[05:16] <IdleOne> common sense says: Don't talk to yourself in front of a crowd of people.
[05:16] <ryaxnb> last i checked, many many people were responding.
[05:16] <IdleOne> you do it a lot. Now please come back tomorrow
[05:16] <Flannel> ryaxnb: I already said when you came in: it became apparent to me that you would continue to be disruptive in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:17] <ryaxnb> why?
[05:17] <Flannel> ryaxnb: Tomorrow.
[05:17] <ryaxnb> basically, im not going to let go.
[05:17] <ryaxnb> it is simply not fair to you or me to continue this way
[05:17] <Flannel> ryaxnb: then we're at an impasse.
[05:17] <maco> because this is at least the 3rd time ive seen you just go off on a tangent and clog up the channel with random chatter, and i dont even pay close attention to that channel so its probably happened even more times
[05:18] <maco> you're a serial offender
[05:18] <ryaxnb> maco, i have never gotten any warning before this :/
[05:18] <ryaxnb> so i didnt know it was an issue :/
[05:18] <bazhang> many complaints
[05:18] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: I have made comments about your monologues
[05:18] <ryaxnb> never an official warning, so i had no idea.
[05:18] <bazhang> official?
[05:18] <IdleOne> why does everything have to be "official"?
[05:19] <ryaxnb> i treat you as chat participlants... i imagine most do.
[05:19] <maco> do we need it in writing with a notary now?
[05:19] <bazhang> any one in there can say they hope you stop
[05:19] <ryaxnb> when you complain, its like atomicspark complaining.
[05:19] <ryaxnb> its feedback i attempt to use.
[05:19] <ryaxnb> not a warning.
[05:19] <ryaxnb> :)
[05:19] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: be with you ina minute
[05:20] <Flannel> ryaxnb: I will not be responding to anything else from you until tomorrow.  I recommend that everyone else here do the same.  You're not making it any better by being pushy here.
[05:21] <ryaxnb> im not being pushy, you are.
[05:21] <Jordan_U> Was just going to mention that tangentcollision in #ubuntu might be a troll, but I think that's less likely from his more recent posts.
[05:21] <ryaxnb> you are requiring me to wait for something i did not even know i was doing .
[05:22] <ryaxnb> anyway, the bottom line is this: i had NO IDEA this was  a problem until now, and suddenly, during a minor incident, in which at least one other person was discussing it with me, you ban me out of the blue.
[05:23] <ryaxnb> that is out-of-line, in my opinion.
[05:23] <Flannel> !appeals
[05:24] <ryaxnb> frankly, i am not appealing.
[05:24] <bazhang> ryaxnb, please /part
[05:24] <ryaxnb> i am going to visit here often until this is resolved to my satisfaction.
[05:24] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: part now before you get banned from here also
[05:25] <ryaxnb> you are being unresponsible ops and your answer is to kick me? that is unfair to say the least.
[05:31] <ryaxnb> funkyHat, answer me now,.
[05:32] <bazhang> ryaxnb, its been five minutes
[05:32] <ryaxnb> there is simply no way this is fair.
[05:32] <ryaxnb> i know that :)
[05:32] <bazhang> come back in 24 hrs
[05:32] <ryaxnb> is that the party line now?
[05:32] <bazhang> ?
[05:33] <Flannel> "Mom, can I borrow the car?" No.  "Dad, Can I borrow the car?"
[06:19]  * mneptok backs over a flashlight and a smartphone
[07:51] <elky> He's correct though. His attitude isn't at all appealing.
[12:33] <lhavelund> hasn't that gone on for long enough, gord, bazhang, topyli?
[12:33] <bazhang> lhavelund, I'd have kicked him by now
[12:34] <lhavelund> as would I :P
[12:34] <gord> eh, annoying guy, he's not doing anything wrong though
[12:34] <bazhang> which is why I should never be op in there
[12:35] <lhavelund> gord: disrupting channel flow. *shrug*
[12:41] <topyli> for the record, he is now spouting offences and threats in pm
[12:42] <bazhang> quelle surprise
[12:43] <topyli> aye
[14:11] <bazhang> xev?
[14:12] <bazhang> or was that for a joystick
[14:17] <ikonia> bazhang: let him hang himself
[14:18] <bazhang> ikonia, he just pasted a whole foul stream about it in another channel. just giving him some leeway/rope
[14:18] <ikonia> ooh really ? where
[14:19] <ikonia> archlinux-offtopic ?
[14:19] <ikonia> just read him bragging about how he's trolling the channel
[14:19] <ikonia> enough
[14:21] <bazhang> ##windows actually but yeah
[14:21] <bazhang> oddly enough, he just PM'd me before being removed
[14:21] <ikonia> seem him doing it in ##windows too
[14:21] <ikonia> time to get in touch with the archlinux ops again :(
[14:23] <ikonia> didn't we create a relationship with the archlinux ops recently (last 6 months)?
[14:23] <bazhang> year or so ago
[14:23] <ikonia> but they are active in stopping that sort of thing aren't they now ?
[14:24] <bazhang> very
[14:29] <ikonia> ops in arch-offtopic are sorting him out
[14:29] <bazhang> nice, thanks
[14:30] <ikonia> caleb seems pretty solid and easy to work wtih
[14:30] <ikonia> with
[14:41] <IdleOne> that andrew is either extremely new to linux or is trolling
[14:43] <bazhang> he has schizophrenia so cant read links, or so he says
[14:43] <ikonia> that's not acceptable
[14:43] <ikonia> acceptible
[14:44] <bazhang> right the frist time!
[14:44] <bazhang> err first
[14:44] <ikonia> good
[14:45] <bazhang> time for a ban forward here imo
[14:45] <ikonia> he won't be back
[14:45] <IdleOne> yup
[14:45] <ikonia> he's known
[14:45] <bazhang> grimmvarg
[14:46] <bazhang> so dont bother?
[14:47] <ikonia> not for me, no
[14:59] <ikonia> phew, deoped idoru before it killed him
[15:00] <bazhang> idoru usually ops then deops in those situations, but never can be too careful
[15:00] <ikonia> I've seen it kill many users
 then the crappy olpc is for your people
[15:08] <bazhang> unacceptable imo
[15:08] <ikonia> fine
[15:08] <ikonia> he was causing an issue before that
[15:17] <bazhang> very family unfriendly quit message by thewizord in -ot
[15:18] <ikonia> ban him, he's known troll and has enough warnings
[15:18] <ikonia> I'll do it
[15:19] <bazhang> arch troll?
[15:19] <jpds> Kind of like archenemy
[15:19] <bazhang> hehe
[15:20] <ikonia> archlinux-offtopic troll of days gone by
[18:19] <ikonia> ilovefairuz is dangerous telling very dubious questions
[18:19] <ikonia> responses to questions
[19:45] <funkyHat> @mark #ubuntu-offotpic Nece228 I have told Nece228 to join #ubuntu-ops in a week's time to discuss the removal of his ban
[19:45] <funkyHat> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic Nece228 I have told Nece228 to join #ubuntu-ops in a week's time to discuss the removal of his ban
[22:23] <ikonia> I'm going to remove john-smith (jungli) from ubuntu as he has again tried to evade the ban in #ubuntu-offtopic despite being told he's still banned
[22:25] <ikonia> Bryanstein: are you awake ?
[22:26] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic john-smith jungli ban dodging


[12:13] <sagaci> head_victim: are you updated with the latest on your precise vm?
[12:40] <head_victim> sagaci: short of a reboot, yes :)
[12:41] <sagaci> tell me if your mouse is unable to move
[12:42] <head_victim> It's in a VM, does that matter?
[12:45] <sagaci> not particularly
[12:45] <head_victim> Ok I'll just reboot it now
[13:32] <head_victim> For what it's worth, my virtualbox install is still perfectly fine after a reboot. Unfortunately I was distracted shortly after my last comment :/


[00:00] <daftykins> oh well, i certainly won't check :)
[00:00] <ball> I could wipe the computer and try a fresh install.
[00:00] <ball> Let's see how much disk space it has.
[00:01] <daftykins> if you've done a fair chunk of customisation i figure that might waste a chunk of time you won't get back, could image it up to an external drive if available though
[00:02] <ball> I've done very little with this.  Install it and a few network tools (nmap, iperf3 etc.)
[00:02] <ball> Mostly I use it in the field to configure and test network equipment
[00:03] <ball> It's my daughter's old laptop and came with a 32 GB (probably mSATA) SSD.
[00:03] <ball> ...but that's just over half full.
[00:04] <ball> ..and there's a microSDHC slot I could use to double that.
[00:04] <daftykins> storage mediums that won't survive... lesson 1 :)
[00:05] <ball> They'll outlast the laptop.
[00:05] <ball> I could give this to her brother but he has a desktop.
[00:10] <ball> I don't use this often but it's handy when I do.
[00:13] <ball> Come to think of it, his had a lobster on and this one's a jellyfish, so I might be due to reimage it anyway.
[00:13] <daftykins> close enough to next LTS now not to worry
[00:14] <penguin42> all sounds a bit fishy
[00:14] <daftykins> oh lobster is one rushing for EOL mind
[00:14] <daftykins> EOL about when 24.04 may appear
[00:14] <ball> Do we know yet what the next LTS will be called?
[00:15] <daftykins> Noble Numbat
[00:15] <ball> :-)
[00:28] <ball> I'll be back later...
[00:28] <ball> Thanks for all the help!
[11:00] <popey> Ubuntu is embracing Matrix, so we've made a UK loco channel there. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/real-time-conversation/41622?u=popey
[11:00] <popey> Direct link: https://matrix.to/#/#loco-uk:ubuntu.com
[11:02] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[11:06] <MattJ> Will it be bridged to IRC? (in light of https://matrix.org/blog/2023/08/libera-bridge-disabled/ - I'm guessing EMS are hosting for Ubuntu?)
[11:09] <popey> I dunno if we will bridge. I know some people don't like bridges (me too) but it's not my choice to make.
[11:10] <MattJ> Indeed, I'm generally not a fan, which is why I ask... the XMPP<->IRC bridge is pretty seamless, but the XMPP<->Matrix bridge is quite unreliable
[14:15] <zxmpi> when you mobile phone has more storage free than your desktop :-)


[04:08] <CarlFK> main-menu[531]: WARNING **: Configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 100
[04:08] <CarlFK> http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Feb11/b/dhcp45/log/syslog.tail.500.txt
[04:08] <CarlFK> I don't see what failed
[04:09] <CarlFK> lucid daily
[04:09] <CarlFK> er, lucid daily alt/netboot install
[09:01] <CIA-52> ubiquity: evand * r3739 plugins-conversion/ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py: Remove partman, summary imports from kde_ui.
[11:22] <CIA-52> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r194 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (debian/changelog generate-local-slides.sh): Tidy up generate-local-slides.sh and make it less noisy.
[11:28] <CIA-52> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r195 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (126 files in 3 dirs): Updated translations from Launchpad.
[11:33] <CIA-52> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r196 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (update-launchpad-translations.sh debian/changelog):
[11:33] <CIA-52> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: Add update-launchpad-translations.sh, a small bit of shell code to
[11:33] <CIA-52> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: take the grunt work out of updating translations.
[11:47] <CIA-52> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r197 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/ (changelog ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-upgrade.install):
[11:47] <CIA-52> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: Place ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-upgrade files in their own
[11:47] <CIA-52> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: directory.
[11:51] <CIA-52> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r198 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 13
[12:10] <CIA-52> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r199 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (po/null.po debian/changelog generate-local-slides.sh): Work around pkgstriptranslations's dislike for empty po files.
[12:16] <CIA-52> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r200 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 14
[13:02] <cjwatson> ev: next_region self fix> d'oh, thanks!
[13:02] <ev> sure thing
[13:07] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3756 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog):
[13:07] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Automatically fall back to vesa if normal X startup fails. This is a
[13:07] <CIA-52> ubiquity: reduced emulation of bullet-proof-X; using the standard implementation
[13:07] <CIA-52> ubiquity: is currently tricky.
[13:36] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3757 greeter/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_components/ (greeter.c test.svg): add greeter code from Cody Russell
[14:05] <ev> woo!
[14:35] <cjwatson> still pretty rough, translating to Python now for general ease
[14:35] <cjwatson> and the test artwork is not suitable for integration :)
[15:07] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3758 greeter/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_components/ (greeter.py greeter.c): translate to Python
[15:08] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3759 greeter/ (bin/ubiquity-greeter-gtk pixmaps/greeter-test.svg): more sensible file locations
[15:09] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3760 greeter/bin/ubiquity-greeter-gtk: executable
[15:19] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3761 greeter/bin/ubiquity-greeter-gtk: fullscreen
[15:33] <CIA-52> ubiquity: evand * r3740 plugins-conversion/ubiquity/components/ubi-summary.py:
[15:33] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Use get_summary_device rather than the nonexistent find_grub_target in the KDE
[15:33] <CIA-52> ubiquity: component of ubi-summary.
[15:53] <CIA-52> ubiquity: evand * r3741 plugins-conversion/ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[15:53] <CIA-52> ubiquity: * Check the NAME of the dbfilter where needed (not convinced this is the right
[15:53] <CIA-52> ubiquity:  approach, possibly breaks inheritance).
[15:53] <CIA-52> ubiquity: * Stub out info_loop for KDE UI. It will need to disable the next button upon
[15:53] <CIA-52> ubiquity:  entering the user setup page.
[15:53] <CIA-52> ubiquity: * Use the GTK UI method to switch between partitioning pages in the KDE UI.
[16:04] <CIA-52> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r691 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog user-params):
[16:04] <CIA-52> debian-installer-utils: user-params: Skip *-ubiquity and noninteractive command line options,
[16:04] <CIA-52> debian-installer-utils: only used on the live CD.
[16:05] <CIA-52> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r692 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.72ubuntu4
[16:21] <CIA-52> ubiquity: evand * r3742 plugins-conversion/ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/PartAuto.py: Add missing self reference.
[16:32] <cjwatson> michaelforrest: did you get a chance to confirm final text for "Try Ubuntu without installing"?
[16:33] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3762 greeter/ (6 files in 3 dirs): preliminary integration with ubiquity-dm
[16:33] <michaelforrest> cjwatson: I had some ideas, Mark had different ideas, so..
[16:34] <michaelforrest> cjwatson: we're talking in the gfxboot context?
[16:34] <cjwatson> yes
[16:34] <michaelforrest> cjwatson: keep it as it is
[16:34] <cjwatson> OK, I'll mark that work item as done then?
[16:34] <michaelforrest> yes
[16:34] <cjwatson> thanks
[17:26] <shtylman> heh...ubiquity software raid ui postponed
[17:26] <shtylman> no one saw that coming ;)
[17:28] <cjwatson> heh, yeah
[17:28] <cjwatson> ev: so I think Scott's automatic installation bug may well be resolvable just by uploading ubiquity - it has an old version of grub-installer from before the device-id work landed
[17:29] <ev> ah, awesome
[17:29]  * ev checks the current state of affairs
[17:29] <cjwatson> ev: have you tested current trunk or do I need to? :-)
[17:29] <cjwatson> I probably ought to do that legwork, bulk of the changes seem to be mine
[17:29] <ev> hard to say, I've tested ubiquity an awful lot as of late, but from what branch I'm not sure :)
[17:30] <cjwatson> ok, I'm happy to do that
[17:30] <ev> cool, thanks!
[17:40] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3757 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[17:40] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[17:40] <CIA-52> ubiquity: 1.103ubuntu3, console-setup 1.34ubuntu9, debian-installer-utils
[17:40] <CIA-52> ubiquity: 1.72ubuntu3, grub-installer 1.49ubuntu4, hw-detect 1.73ubuntu2,
[17:40] <CIA-52> ubiquity: partman-auto 89ubuntu3, partman-basicfilesystems 63ubuntu3,
[17:40] <CIA-52> ubiquity: partman-partitioning 72ubuntu3, tzsetup 1:0.26ubuntu5.
[18:22] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3758 ubiquity/debian/ (3 files): Add a couple of lintian overrides.
[19:04] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3759 ubiquity/ (155 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad (LP: #473554, #520905).
[20:27] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3760 ubiquity/d-i/Makefile: clean console-setup/Keyboard
[21:07] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3761 ubiquity/ (d-i/update-control debian/changelog debian/control):
[21:07] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Explicitly build-depend on xkb-data-i18n. We normally skip
[21:07] <CIA-52> ubiquity: console-setup's build-dependencies when generating our own, but we need
[21:07] <CIA-52> ubiquity: this one to run kbdnames-maker.
[21:17] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3762 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.17
[21:23] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3763 greeter/ (161 files in 4 dirs): merge from trunk
[21:28] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3764 greeter/bin/ubiquity-dm: honour --choose option
[21:31] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3765 greeter/bin/ubiquity-greeter-gtk: sync choice names
[21:34] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3763 ubiquity/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[21:34] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Preliminary version of a new greeter, accessible using the
[21:34] <CIA-52> ubiquity: 'maybe-ubiquity' boot option. In this mode, ubiquity-dm displays a
[21:34] <CIA-52> ubiquity: choice between "Try Ubuntu without installing" and "Install Ubuntu"
[21:34] <CIA-52> ubiquity: after starting X, rather than needing to present that choice at the boot
[21:34] <CIA-52> ubiquity: loader. This is not ready for production use yet and (desperately!)
[21:34] <CIA-52> ubiquity: needs artwork, but merging it here will make it easier to test. Thanks
[21:52] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3764 ubiquity/debian/copyright: update copyright years
[22:37] <superm1> ev, so without the explicit kill of the debconf-communicate process, what closes it now (with reference to casper)?
[23:02] <cjwatson> closing its stdin
[23:03] <superm1> so is something feeding EOF into it's stdin then? or is the action of rm'ing the fifo's doing that?
[23:11] <cjwatson> superm1: EOF isn't something that you feed into a file descriptor on Unix
[23:11] <cjwatson> superm1: when all the processes that have the write end of a pipe open, the process that has the read end open gets EOF
[23:12] <cjwatson> on its next read, anyway
[23:12] <cjwatson> let me rephrase that, left out a vital word
[23:12] <cjwatson> superm1: when all the processes that have the write end of a pipe open exit, the process that has the read end open gets EOF
[23:13] <cjwatson> or I suppose technically when all the copies of the write half of the pipe are closed
[23:13] <superm1> ah ha
[23:13] <cjwatson> so the exec that closes the write half of the pipe causes debconf-communicate's 'while (<>)' to get EOF
[23:14] <cjwatson> possible failure mode is other subprocesses that accidentally inherited copies of the write end of the pipe
[23:15] <superm1> well I would think I can reproduce that behavior booting with 'break=casper-bottom' and then manually running exec 3>&1 4<&-, but that doesn't appear to work - so is there a way to query what other subprocesses have the pipe opened at that time?
[23:16] <superm1> of course i meant 3>&-
[23:17] <superm1> i guess /root/bin/fuser would help
[23:17] <cjwatson> ls -l /proc/*/fd/ and compare with what debconf-communicate has open
[23:18] <cjwatson> but actually the behaviour you're seeing is obvious and unfixable as stated :)
[23:18] <cjwatson> the parent of the interactive shell you're running still has the fd open
[23:19] <cjwatson> you'll need to exit the interactive shell to get d-c to exit
[23:19] <superm1> Yeah.  Hm well this makes it a bit difficult to install a deb anymore with an early command
[23:19] <cjwatson> might need some passthrough magic for that
[23:20] <cjwatson> it certainly shouldn't be impossible
[23:24] <cjwatson> superm1: nice catch though :)
[23:26] <cjwatson> superm1: I think perhaps something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/375070/
[23:26] <cjwatson> that's the same kind of thing that debconf-apt-progress does
[23:27] <superm1> cjwatson, cool thanks.  i'll give that a shot and see how that works out
[23:27] <cjwatson> any package that uses db_stop will probably completely fuck it
[23:29] <cjwatson> what do you know, debconf-communicate actually doesn't fall over when sent STOP, so actually you'd get away with even that
[23:41] <superm1> looks like there needs to be more to it than that.  still getting 'debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable'
[23:43] <cjwatson> odd, is it definitely going through that preseed/early_command path?
[23:44] <cjwatson> that change should have at minimum given you a different error message, I'd have thought ...
[23:45] <superm1> i might need to rexport all those variables in the chroot command i suppose
[23:46] <superm1> (within the early script)
[23:46] <superm1> i'll mess with it a little more from a break=casper-bottom shell instead then
[23:48] <cjwatson> shouldn't have *thought* so ...
[23:48] <cjwatson> yeah, you ought to be able to iterate from there
[23:48] <cjwatson> if not, file me a bug and I'll look into it
[23:49] <superm1> Ok


[03:54] <misham> Does anyone have a .config for BeagleBoard-xM rev C using Linus's kernel?
[03:56] <misham> I'm working with a camera module that is slated to go into 3.2 kernel, but I'm having trouble getting ethernet to work.
[03:59] <misham> or could someone tell me which kernel options I need to have enabled to get ethernet working?
[19:22] <prpplague> janimo: ping
[19:59] <janimo> prpplague, hello. The panda you gave me works fine :)
[19:59] <prpplague> janimo: no worries, just wanted to make sure you got home with it ok.
[20:00] <janimo> prpplague, yes, thanks :)
[20:00] <janimo> Did you manage to get a look at the broken one?
[20:00] <prpplague> janimo: please make sure to let your supervisor know that the board has been replaced
[20:01] <prpplague> janimo: yea, replaced U22 and it is working for testing
[20:01] <janimo> prpplague, sure


[12:37] <yharrow> hey
[12:37] <yharrow> troy_s: ?
[12:37] <yharrow> you there?
[12:38] <troy_s> yharrow: Yes.
[12:38] <troy_s> yharrow: Just sending an email to tonic regarding the coding of usplash
[12:38] <yharrow> cool
[12:38] <yharrow> ok Ill resend now
[12:39] <yharrow> if you are available
[12:39] <troy_s> yes hit
[12:40] <yharrow> troy_s: did it go through?
[12:40] <troy_s> yharrow: Email it... your ports are clogged or something.
[12:41] <yharrow> troy_s: firewall. what port should I open?
[12:41] <yharrow> nm
[12:41] <yharrow> I stopped firewall for a sec
[12:42] <yharrow> try again
[12:43] <yharrow> firewall is down so it should go through
[12:43] <troy_s> something is bogged... email it yharrow
[12:43] <yharrow> troy_s: ok, which address should I mail it to?
[12:44] <troy_s> troy dot sobotka at gmail dot com
[12:44] <troy_s> trying to get the gdm alpha in place
[12:44] <troy_s> (unfortunately simply reusing the wallpaper)
[12:45] <troy_s> (as it is a lot of work to generate a new one right now... and not really worth it until the gdm gets into style)
[12:46] <troy_s> the design direction is such now that it is easier to develop those components though
[12:46] <troy_s> splash and gdm should probably be the next targets.
[12:47] <troy_s> metacity needs to be updated to the newer rustic feeling on the floral print
[12:49] <troy_s> yharrow: Wow... that's pretty cool.
[12:49] <yharrow> troy_s: I basically sent you a brain dump of the textures that I imagined possible
[12:50] <troy_s> yharrow: If we could somehow get it into the 'remote control' form it would be ideal.
[12:50] <troy_s> yharrow: Have you pulled the newer wall from bzr?
[12:51] <yharrow> troy_s: as soon as I find the command to download from bzr, I will. Right now its on hold until I do
[12:51] <troy_s> LOL
[12:52] <troy_s> let me pm you the details...
[12:52] <yharrow> troy_s: ok :D
[12:25] <TheSheep> 09:12 -!- ryanakca [n=ryanakca@ubuntu/member/ryanakca]  has joined  #ubuntu-artwork
[12:25] <TheSheep> hilarious
[12:26] <TheSheep> 09:12 -!- ryanakca [n=ryanakca@ubuntu/member/ryanakca]  has quit [Excess Flood]
[03:00] <shek> what image editing program are you using?
[03:01] <shek> Is there any possible way to run photoshop in ubuntu?
[03:25] <elkbuntu> shek, some versions of photoshop run in WINE, but gimp is a fairly good replacement
[03:35] <TheSheep> shek: and Inkscape when you need easily editable, scalable things
[03:39] <elkbuntu> both gimp and inkscape are also available on windows if you're ever stuck in there with no editing software
[03:43] <TheSheep> elkbuntu: using gimp on windows requires some... endurance
[03:44] <elkbuntu> TheSheep, as does paintshop. your point? :
[03:44] <elkbuntu> er s/paintshop/paint/
[03:44] <elkbuntu> although paintshop isnt exactly a walk in the park at times either
[03:45] <TheSheep> hehe, I started with psp4 :)
[03:46] <elkbuntu> then you'd know what i mean ;)
[03:46] <TheSheep> it wasn't that bad for the pixel pushing I was doing back then
[03:49] <TheSheep> heck, I did it with plots in basic before that
[03:55] <elkbuntu> heh
[04:01] <shek> elkbuntu, thanks but i haven't get used to gimp yet>.<
[04:02] <shek> TheSheep, installed it yesterday, trying to get the hang of it :)
[04:03] <elkbuntu> shek, if you have a valid photoshop, try it under wine, but there is a problem with one of the versions of wine and cs2, so your milage may vary
[04:34] <nothlit> TheSheep: i don't know if many people would know the difference with gimpshop on windows
[04:34] <TheSheep> nothlit: don't mention that name


[06:19] <dpm> good morning everyone
[06:30] <ajmitch> hi dpm
[06:36] <dpm> heya ajmitch
[22:52] <jono> wendar, ping?
[22:52] <wendar> jono, pong
[22:52] <jono> howdy!
[22:52]  * ajmitch waves
[22:52] <jono> hey ajmitch :-)
[22:52] <wendar> hiya ajmitch
[22:58] <highvoltage> hey jono
[23:10] <ajmitch> highvoltage: so do you want to try & meet at the same time next week, or is it a little early? :)
[23:28] <highvoltage> ajmitch: it's very early, but I think we should
[23:28] <highvoltage> ajmitch: since it's the only time we could find that matches up. although maybe the same time the next day might be slightly easier (just in terms of getting up)
[23:41] <highvoltage> ajmitch: hmm, how is it that we're on at the same time now?
[23:49] <jono> hey highvoltage
[23:49] <jono> have to run, back later


[11:17] <daftykins> zxm-pi_: how was it? :D
[11:17] <daftykins> a good afty to all
[12:02] <zxm-pi_> fell asleep. was too tired. will have to see if they do a repeat later :-P
[12:10] <daftykins> :D
[12:31] <zxm-pi_> but they changed the format so there was interviews and music in it so not as good as previous ones to my mind
[12:34] <daftykins> boo!
[12:49] <zxm-pi_> i think because having 2-3 people in the field with covid measures would be difficult. everyone in their own car getting there and that's just for ireland.
[12:50] <zxm-pi_> but still glad they tried. it's a wonderful once a year show. and i love learning new bird sounds every year
[12:59] <daftykins> :D


[05:01] <Kilos> morning africa
[10:38] <Tribaal> aaaand hi everyone
[10:38] <Tribaal> oh hi EvilDMP
[10:38] <Tribaal> :)
[10:38] <Tribaal> the IRC world is small :)
[10:39] <Kilos> hi Tribaal  welcome to ubuntu-safrica
[10:39] <Tribaal> hehe
[10:41] <Kilos> ubuntu-africa i mean
[10:41] <Kilos> typos are the order of the day it seems
[11:21] <EvilDMP> hello Tribaal


[05:45] <Yogsterr> Hi
[05:45] <Yogsterr> Anyone here?
[05:46] <Yogsterr> I made some japanese dishes can you tell me if they look authentic?
[05:48] <Yogsterr> http://s10.postimage.org/5zc9nur07/80171134.jpg
[06:57] <Emmanuel_Chanel_> I don't know... Where are you from?
[06:57] <Yogsterr> Denmark
[06:57] <Emmanuel_Chanel_> Hvordan har du det?
[06:58] <Yogsterr> Are you danish?
[06:59] <Emmanuel_Chanel> No, Japanese.
[07:01] <Emmanuel_Chanel> There is ##japanese on this network.
[07:01] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Maybe, better for you to ask the question on that channel.
[07:02] <Yogsterr> sure
[07:02] <Yogsterr> http://postimage.org/gallery/jij56ly
[07:02] <Emmanuel_Chanel> This channel is also a social channel, though.
[07:02] <Yogsterr> here is a gallery of some of my food creations.
[07:02] <Yogsterr> Its a few pages long, maybe 5-6 pages long
[07:07] <Emmanuel_Chanel> ok.