[11:19] <LinuxJones> apprentice, the 13th of Cot I believe
[11:19] <LinuxJones> err Octpber
[11:19] <apprentice> will it have cool things?
[11:19] <TokenBad> ubuntu is what...breezy or what?
[11:19] <LinuxJones> wtf October
[11:19] <Gobbla> LinuxJones: haha
[11:19] <LinuxJones> Gobbla, :)
[11:19] <thoreauputic> dooglus: right to /etc/inittab - vga= can be set per kernel in /boot/grub/menu.lst I think
[11:19] <apprentice> GOBBLA!!!!!!
[11:19] <Gobbla> apprentice: yeah?
[11:19] <dooglus> I use lilo, but both kernels use the same kernel flags.
[11:19] <thoreauputic> dooglus: on the kernel line
[11:19] <apprentice> i like ur nick,. its cool
[11:20] <TokenBad> is ubuntu breezy, warty, or hoary?
[11:20] <Gobbla> why thank you..
[11:20] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I compared the list of modules in /lib/modules for the two kernels.  I found that the one that works has initrd/vesafb.ko and mine doesn't...
[11:20] <thoreauputic> dooglus: then I know not, I fear
[11:20] <ORiON2012> TokenBad: Ubuntu is all of those
[11:20] <thoreauputic> dooglus: aha!
[11:20] <TokenBad> then how know what version of a package to download?
[11:20] <Gobbla> huh?
[11:20] <Gobbla> whatcha talking about?
[11:20] <ORiON2012> TokenBad: Hoary is the current release, Breezy is the release in development
[11:20] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I'm guessing that's the problem.  but how can I get mine to build that?  Mine has "kernel/drivers/video/vesafb.ko", as does the working one, but the working one also has vesafb.ko in '.../initrd/'
[11:21] <nalioth> TokenBad: you need to know what ubuntu you are running
[11:21] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: umm - your sources.list specifies where apt looks
[11:21] <TokenBad> # hoary-backports (x11): screensaver showing collective dream of sleeping computers [universe]
[11:21] <TokenBad> 2.6.2-1~hoary1: amd64 i386 so that file should be on the hoary repositories right?
[11:21] <nalioth> TokenBad: open a terminal and type "lsb_release -a" . it will tell you what you have
[11:21] <ORiON2012> TokenBad: I should think so
[11:21] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I don't know - you need someone versed in the ways of kernel building
[11:22] <TokenBad> what is the url to that..cause when I check after doing update its not there
[11:22] <dooglus> thoreauputic: hmmm.  where might I find such a creature?
[11:22] <lucaas> LinuxJones: should i use kernel framebuffer device interface?
[11:22] <thoreauputic> dooglus: erm... dare I suggest #debian ?
[11:22] <coax> how do i edit whats in the applications menu in gnome... i can't go to the location preferences:/// in nautilus!
[11:22] <dooglus> according to lsb_release -a I have release 5.10.  I didn't think breezy was released yet.
[11:22] <apprentice> someone use vmware?
[11:23] <TokenBad> the url for the hoary-backports what is that or where would I find that?
[11:23] <Seveas> coax, use smeg...
[11:23] <thoreauputic> dooglus: of course any mention of Ubuntu is deprecated if you try that ;-)
[11:23] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I heard that way be dragons.
[11:23] <coax> apprentice, i did some time ago...
[11:23] <thoreauputic> dooglus: well, there be some clever dragons there
[11:23] <apprentice> oh well
[11:23] <fivetwentysix> can i get w32 codecs on amd64?
[11:23] <coax> Seveas, command not found!
[11:23] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I'll be sure to take some gold coins with me and an offering.
[11:23] <Gobbla> fivetwentysix: dont think so..
[11:23] <Seveas> coax, install it then
[11:23] <Seveas> !smeg
[11:23] <ubotu> hmm... smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[11:24] <ORiON2012> dooglus: I hear they're fond of humans too
[11:24] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I suggest sacrificing a goat at the full moon before proceeding
[11:24] <dooglus> one last thing - is it safe to "apt-get remove" the kernel that you are currently running?
[11:25] <mkyb14_> anyone with knowledge of a "kernal panic - not syncing: fatal exception in interrupt"
[11:25] <thoreauputic> dooglus: never tried it - why would you want to do that?
[11:25] <mkyb14_> please help
[11:25] <dooglus> thoreauputic: curiosity
[11:25] <LinuxJones> lucaas, no
[11:26] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I assume apt/dpkg is clever enough to warn you if you are about to commit sepuku
[11:26] <mkyb14_> anyone?
[11:26] <zxsykco> What's the problem?
[11:26] <apokryphos> mkyb14_: time to change your pass 8)
[11:26] <mkyb14_> how
[11:27] <zxsykco> passwd
[11:27] <apokryphos> zxsykco: nope; I mean IRC
[11:27] <zxsykco> Oops.
[11:27] <dooglus> in breezy, the kernel is at version 2.6.12, but the "linux-kernel-headers" is at 2.6.11.  is that a bug I should report?
[11:27] <ORiON2012> apokryphos: are you up to no good?
[11:27] <mkyb14_> passwd <password>?
[11:28] <apokryphos> mkyb14_: for irc... /chanserv set password <password>
[11:28] <zxsykco> Are you registering your nick or changing your users passwd in ubuntu?
[11:28] <apokryphos> ORiON2012: always ;)
[11:28] <mkyb14_>  /chanserv set password mike14
[11:28] <mkyb14_> ha
[11:28] <mkyb14_> neg
[11:28] <ORiON2012> zxsykco: non regged users aren't aloud in #ubuntu
[11:28] <apokryphos> mkyb14_: and that's your old pass
[11:28] <ORiON2012> zxsykco: allowed*
[11:28] <apokryphos> ORiON2012: they are now
[11:29] <ORiON2012> apokryphos: oh
[11:29] <mkyb14_> eh
[11:29] <mkyb14_>  /chanserv set password mikeyb14
[11:29] <mkyb14_> that work
[11:29] <zxsykco> That's what I've heard but my friend insists he hasn't registered and he's never been redirected to unregged.
[11:29] <mkyb14_> i dunno
[11:29] <ORiON2012> lol
[11:29] <ORiON2012> that's hilarious
[11:29] <apokryphos> mkyb14_: /msg chanserv set password <password>    ..maybe?
[11:29] <zxsykco> I told him that that never worked for me, but he insists.
[11:30] <apokryphos> mkyb14_: and maybe you have to type it in your server window. What client have you got?
[11:30] <mkyb14_> password in <>'s
[11:30] <Seveas> zxsykco, this channel is not on +r all the time
[11:30] <{cYanide}> hi
[11:30] <thoreauputic> mkyb14_: /msg chanserv help set
[11:30] <Seveas> only during spambot showers
[11:30] <mkyb14_> firefox's chatzilla
[11:30] <zxsykco> Interesting.
[11:30] <Seveas> so what he claims may very well be true depenfing on when he tried to access the channel
[11:30] <zxsykco> How do you determine when a shower is occuring?
[11:30] <{cYanide}> ive noticed in ubuntu an opengl app i made to test with runs ALOT slower than in windows, im using a system with inbuilt intel graphics, anyone have any idea how i can improve perf upto windows speed?
[11:30] <oO[NOVA] Oo> anyone ever dealt with mounting samba shares to mounting points with spaces in them, when doing so in /etc/fstab ?
[11:31] <lucaas> LinuxJones: it worked now, thank you very much
[11:31] <Seveas> simple, the bots join and part quickly
[11:31] <lucaas> :)
[11:31] <zxsykco> Packet logging or something?
[11:31] <nalioth> mkyb14_: what client are you using?
[11:31] <zxsykco> I see.
[11:31] <mkyb14_> firefox's chatzilla
[11:31] <Seveas> avibAbx, is one for instance
[11:31] <fanskapet> hmm anyone succeded in compiling quake3 in hoary 64bit?
[11:31] <zxsykco> Yes.
[11:31] <TokenBad> I even tried apt-get install electricsheep
[11:31] <mike__> Help! The buttons on my bottom bar and everything other than the trash can has disappeared!
[11:31] <nalioth> mkyb14_: i suggest using another client, chatzilla doesnt have a lot of features (like chanserv password issuance)
[11:31] <TokenBad> it downloads then errors out
[11:31] <Seveas> you can recognize them bu nick/ident/ip, but not enough for bans to be effective....
[11:32] <thoreauputic> mike__: right click the panel, choose from the list
[11:32] <LinuxJones> lucaas, excellent :)
[11:32] <Jowi> hi all
[11:32] <apokryphos> Seveas: ever ventured into #gentoo? Their handling of it is a complete mess
[11:32] <zxsykco> Hmmn, interesting indeed.
[11:32] <mkyb14_> so what one then for XP
[11:32] <Seveas> apokryphos, gentoo is a mess, so i'm not surprised #gentoo is a mess too :)
[11:33] <fivetwentysix> if i use the cd/dvd creator to write to a dvd, i'll still be able to rewrite yea?
[11:33] <{cYanide}> if its a dvdrw
[11:33] <funkyHat> if it's a DVDRW
[11:33] <apokryphos> Seveas: they ban every bot they notice.. surprise surprise, that will only produce more traffic. If you're brave enough, /mode #gentoo +b
[11:33] <fivetwentysix> ok
[11:33] <zxsykco> I stay in #ubuntu #kubuntu # phlak #slackware #gentoo #flood #hardware.. Gentoo always seems to have the most users by far.
[11:33] <ORiON2012> fivetwentysix: assuming it's a rewritable
[11:33] <kemik> !dma
[11:33] <fivetwentysix> yeah its rw
[11:33] <TokenBad> anyone know how to fix the apt-get error when installing electricsheep?
[11:33] <mike__> ah! i see! i have my desktop and multiple screen items back!
[11:33] <apokryphos> zxsykco: it does; #debian comes next generally.
[11:34] <fivetwentysix> anyone know whats the difference between a DVD-RW and DVD+RW?
[11:34] <fivetwentysix> which is better?
[11:34] <ORiON2012> TokenBad: what's the error?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> zxsykco: of course - gentoo needs the most help to get it running ;)
[11:34] <zxsykco> I should stay on there as well...
[11:35] <TokenBad> ORiON2012, I pasted what it said on the paste site
[11:35] <david__> hy
[11:35] <mike__> tis back to how it was and i have learnt something about gnome on the way, thanks!
[11:35] <zxsykco> Yeppers.
[11:35] <Jowi> fivetwentysix: minor ones. DVD+ is to be preffered though. DVD- has got VR capabilities that are not used at all as far as i have seen. I always used + since more players seem to support it.
[11:35] <eric_> can someone help me starting tibia? it cant find libtk8.3.so even when i intakked libtk-img, tcl and tk packages
[11:36] <Kejk_PL> eric_: tibia clint for linux is VERY old
[11:36] <eric_> installed*
[11:36] <bluefoxicy> sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[11:36] <Jowi> fivetwentysix: most players should support both formats though
[11:36] <eric_> i know
[11:36] <eric_> but i cant get either Wine to work
[11:36] <bluefoxicy> What is with this
[11:36] <fivetwentysix> i see
[11:36] <mirak> honestly, does anyone manage to build packages with apt-build ?
[11:36] <david_2k5> hy
[11:36] <Kejk_PL> eric_: use wine and windows version
[11:36] <fivetwentysix> but the  ps2 doesn't support DVD+RW
[11:36] <fivetwentysix> :-(
[11:36] <eric_> i cant get wine to work
[11:36] <bluefoxicy> "Notice:  A new version of HAL has been installed.  You should reboot to make the changes take effect"
[11:36] <bluefoxicy> what the crap
[11:36] <Seveas> tk8.3: usr/lib/libtk8.3.so.1
[11:36] <Seveas> tk8.3-dev: usr/lib/libtk8.3.so
[11:36] <mirak> lol
[11:37] <mike__> has anyone had a problem with usb memory sticks etc on hoary?
[11:37] <Seveas> ^-- eric_
[11:37] <TokenBad> ORiON2012, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2383 thats the error msg
[11:37] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  do i really need to reboot for hal to work
[11:37] <zxsykco> I think where tibia looks for libtk and where libtk reside now are different.
[11:37] <{cYanide}> ive noticed in ubuntu an opengl app i made to test with runs ALOT slower than in windows, im using a system with inbuilt intel graphics, anyone have any idea how i can improve perf upto windows speed?
[11:37] <ORiON2012> TokenBad: Can always try a force, but it might cause problems later when updating xscreensaver
[11:37] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, I suppose /etc/init.d/hal should do the trick too...
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: dbus actually restarts hal
[11:38] <Kejk_PL> Seveas: he needs much more than tk/tcl, he need old libc
[11:38] <eric_> i need step-by-step installing and using tibia, tcl and tk or installing wine coz im too new to ubuntu
[11:38] <david_2k5> I have a problem with java "root@linux:/home/david/download/pakete/azureus# java -jar Azureus2305-B27.jar
[11:38] <david_2k5> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/CommandLine
[11:38] <david_2k5> " can anybody help me??
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  but why do both dbus AND hal recommend a reboot as soon as possible?
[11:38] <Kejk_PL> eric_: what error do you et with wine?
[11:38] <zxsykco> Hmmn, yep.
[11:38] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, dunno
[11:38] <TokenBad> ORiON2012, how you use force?
[11:38] <eric_> it cant find config file and when i click create new confige file it get some sort of error and closes itself
[11:39] <mirak> does the package management and naming in ubuntu can be a problem for apt-build ?
[11:39] <mike__> whenever i connect my camera or usb memory it gets installed then after a seemingly random period it disappears from the system
[11:39] <eric_> and i cant get the package list updater to work
[11:39] <mloskot> Q: Is this possible to install vim-gnome along with vim-python and vim-tcl ?
[11:39] <mike__> sometimes it will reappear again, sometimes not
[11:39] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  Reducing the number of recommended reboots would be nice.  :P
[11:40] <nalioth> mloskot: sure
[11:40] <eric_> it asks password, but when i put it, it does nothing
[11:40] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  The only real ones I've seen are rebooting for a new kernel, which can be avoided in many cases too.
[11:40] <mloskot> nalioth: How? Synaptic allows me to check only one vim-* package
[11:40] <dooglus> every time I boot, I see a message telling me that my MAC address is NULL in line 2 and that I should "correct or remove" that line.  Any idea how to fix this?
[11:40] <warlock666> anyone got an Airlink 101 wireless G card working?
[11:40] <dooglus> and which file's "line 2" is it talking about?
[11:41] <bluefoxicy> mmm
[11:41] <bluefoxicy> actually
[11:41] <bluefoxicy> that'd be neat
[11:41] <mloskot> nalioth: I check vim-gnome, then check vim-python and then vim-gnome gets unchecked. Is that correct behaviour?
[11:41] <nalioth> mloskot: i wonder why you can have two but not 3
[11:41] <mloskot> without any message.
[11:41] <Kejk_PL> eric_: hmm, remove .wine directory and use terminal
[11:41] <mloskot> nalioth: I can not get even 2, only 1
[11:41] <mloskot> of them
[11:42] <nalioth> mloskot: it's the same vim underneath. pick a display option and run with it
[11:42] <umberleigh> hi, how do i free up my soundcard.. i'm using artsd and alsa, and when  launching audacity it gives the error message 'there was an error initalizing the audio i/o layer' due to my soundcard being occupied by another process
[11:42] <Kejk_PL> eric_: U do not need to upgrade - tibia works well on old wine too
[11:42] <eric_> i
[11:42] <eric_> canbt
[11:42] <eric_> cant*
[11:42] <bluefoxicy> You could use an atomic path and halt all other SMP operations, as well as disable preempt during the atomic path. . . . which would exchange an existing kernel symbol with a replacement
[11:42] <eric_> run wine!
[11:42] <TokenBad> how do you use force with apt-get?
[11:42] <mloskot> nalioth: pick a display option? Sorry, any details? ;-)
[11:42] <robotgeek> mloskot: vim python is meant for scripting vim in python, any version of vim will indent/hilight python in the same way
[11:42] <bluefoxicy> minor fixes (security and bug fixes) would be safe to dothis with, and the change would basically be loading a module
[11:42] <yhann> hi guys, please I need help to how to test my modem?
[11:43] <Almindor>   wesnoth: Depends: ttf-dejavu but it is not installable
[11:43] <Almindor>  :(
[11:43] <mloskot> robotgeek: I think I see the point.
[11:43] <Almindor> anyone knows if this'll get fixed anytime soon?
[11:43] <{cYanide}> http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=1764&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go%21  will these work in ubuntu?
[11:43] <nalioth> mloskot: -gnome, -python and -gtk are just wrappers
[11:43] <mloskot> robotgeek: vim-python is not a version dedicated for Python programmers but those who want to extend VIM in Python, right?
[11:43] <eric_> cant run: Tibiawish - Wine - Tk/cl packages - Package list updater
[11:43] <bluefoxicy> fabbione:  ever hot-patched sys_fork() in a running kernel without a reboot?  :)
[11:43] <rejden> re
[11:43] <Kejk_PL> eric_: wine is a console application, so U wont see anything if yu run it from menu
[11:44] <eric_> i know
[11:44] <robotgeek> mloskot: exactly
[11:44] <lampshade> Anyone here use intel built in wireless with Ubuntu?  It work out ok?  I noticed that the drivers for it are sourceforge projects
[11:44] <Kejk_PL> eric_: I can;t help U - simple, wine doesn;t work is not enought
[11:44] <eric_> but when i put "wine tibia75.exe" where tibia7.5 fow windows is, it says that wine command not found
[11:44] <mloskot> robotgeek and nalioth: Thanks a lot!
[11:45] <robotgeek> mloskot: np
[11:45] <david_2k5> can anybody help me?? root@linux:/home/david/download/pakete/azureus# java -jar Azureus2305-B27.jar
[11:45] <david_2k5> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/CommandLine
[11:45] <umberleigh> Jowi: ps aux | grep esd gives nothing
[11:45] <eric_> like wine doesnt exists
[11:45] <mloskot> cya
[11:45] <eric_> and i cant get acess to hda1 when mounted
[11:45] <umberleigh> Jowi: sorry i can't msg you... i'm getting a 505 error
[11:45] <TokenBad> can someone tell me the apt-get command to use with force-yes
[11:45] <Kejk_PL> eric_: ph! so install it :)
[11:45] <Jowi> umberleigh: yeah, accepting regged users only
[11:46] <TokenBad> how that is typed out
[11:46] <Kejk_PL> eric_: sudo apt-get install wine
[11:46] <umberleigh> Jowi: k
[11:46] <eric_> it says i dont have aithorization to get there and close folder explorer
[11:46] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: try  killall artsd && audacity
[11:46] <Phuzion> Is SSH access enabled by default in Ubuntu?
[11:46] <Kejk_PL> eric_: but forstly U have to add Univerce repository
[11:46] <eric_> how
[11:46] <Jowi> umberleigh: try to... ehhh, thoreauputic was quicker
[11:46] <eric_> im newbie to linux OSes
[11:47] <eric_> i just know very simple sudos
[11:47] <eric_> like apt-get ifconfig, etc...
[11:47] <typo> I've just dist-upgrade'd to breezy. Went smooth. I think this is the first time a dist-upgrade hasn't crashed on me a few times.
[11:47] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: also note that you can configure artsd to stop after, say, 5 seconds of inactivity (in kcontrol for instance)
[11:47] <Phuzion> Does anyone know if SSH access enabled by default in Ubuntu?
[11:47] <typo> rebooting to try it out now
[11:47] <david_2k5> breezy is stable
[11:47] <Kejk_PL> eric_: do you have Synaptic>?
[11:48] <david_2k5> fine to work
[11:48] <Seveas> Phuzion, by default there is no service installed, not even ssh
[11:48] <drelle_work> can the live cd be used to install?
[11:48] <eric_> sure
[11:48] <umberleigh> thoreauputic: cheers, that's done the trick
[11:48] <nalioth> drelle_work: nope
[11:48] <thoreauputic> Phuzion: if you need to ssh in to ubuntu, insatll openssh-server
[11:48] <Seveas> drelle_work, not easily
[11:48] <eric_> i use 5.04 hoary hedgehog
[11:48] <Kejk_PL> in Synaptic U can add repositories
[11:48] <Seveas> only if you know debootstrap and friends intimately :)
[11:48] <drelle_work> ill just download the regular... bummer
[11:48] <Phuzion> thoreauputic, will apt-get do that for me?
[11:48] <lampshade> drelle_work:  no, unless it is the cool combination livecd and install cd  (That I think is really a DVD)
[11:48] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: artsd was hogging your sound card
[11:48] <TokenBad> I did apt-get install --force-yes electricsheep and it still errors out
[11:48] <coax> is there a good reason why i can't delete programs from the menu uning smeg
[11:48] <Kejk_PL> eric_: I'll show you - w8 a minute, I'l pasce URL
[11:48] <thoreauputic> Phuzion: sure - sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[11:49] <lampshade> Phuzion:  You can install them pretty easily with apt-get
[11:49] <lampshade> and by pretty easily I mean super easy
[11:49] <umberleigh> thoreauputic: i figured, though it normally gives up the card the second time i try running audacity
[11:49] <Phuzion> Thanks guys, I'll be back in a sec
[11:49] <umberleigh> thoreauputic: shall check the timeout setting now
[11:49] <nybble> okii
[11:49] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: yes, it is good to have it set for a short timeout, I found
[11:50] <piero> hi. do you know how to configure a usb modem?
[11:50] <TokenBad> can anyone help me figure out how to fix this please?
[11:50] <nico8481> hi
[11:51] <Kejk_PL> eric_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages?highlight=%28synaptic%29%7C%28universe%29
[11:51] <umberleigh> thoreauputic: egads. it was set to 60secs. thanks for your help
[11:51] <Kejk_PL> eric_: use sometimes google :)
[11:51] <eric_> i cant find nothing on goole -.-
[11:51] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: no worries :) The fruit of bitter experience ;-)
[11:52] <jdermer> wuts a good video player for linux ?
[11:52] <mkyb14> ok back to my previous question.  "<0>Kernal panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt"  this only happens when i shutdown and then boot up.  ???
[11:52] <david_2k5> vlc
[11:52] <jdermer> is it in apt ?
[11:52] <nalioth> jdermer: yes
[11:52] <thoreauputic> jdermer: of course
[11:52] <umberleigh> whilst were on the subject, is there any way to route audacity through artsd, or would it significantly hamper the program's performance
[11:52] <lampshade> vlc is hot
[11:52] <batoms> i've got a funny bug using linux-image-2.6.12-8.13
[11:52] <david_2k5> how can i install kmdr script?
[11:52] <batoms> it causes X to not start and dumps me to a login prompt where i can login to any account w/o a passwd
[11:52] <Kejk_PL> eric_: in the same way add "restricted" and "multiverse"
[11:52] <nalioth> jdermer: /msg ubotu info vlc
[11:53] <Kejk_PL> eric_: then do update sources and install wine
[11:53] <mkyb14> anyone?
[11:53] <jdermer> that didnt do anything
[11:53] <coax> jdermer, mplayer is quite good!
[11:53] <pesco> Any user of proofgeneral/isabelle here, by any chance?
[11:53] <nalioth> jdermer: it didnt get you a msg from ubotu?
[11:54] <Kejk_PL> eric_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:54] <mkyb14> ok back to my previous question.  "<0>Kernal panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt"  this only happens when i shutdown and then boot up.  ???
[11:54] <mkyb14> anyone
[11:54] <Kejk_PL> eric_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:54] <mkyb14> know why
[11:54] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: I haven't tried this, but see if  artsdsp audacity  works
[11:54] <Seveas> mkyb14, sounds like you found a big. Collect more info and file it
[11:54] <jdermer> nalioth, nope
[11:55] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: heh -  just ried it and got a segfault :|
[11:55] <thoreauputic> umberleigh: looks like that won't work...
[11:55] <mkyb14> how?
[11:55] <mkyb14> ther's like 20-30ln's of code with that kernal panic at the bottom
[11:55] <up2zion22> cant print. epson driver is not a problem
[11:55] <umberleigh> thoreauputic: okay.
[11:56] <up2zion22> connection is a problem too
[11:56] <up2zion22> what could be wrong
[11:56] <mkyb14> Seveas...what's a "big" and how do i file it, or what ever that is
[11:56] <Phuzion> Is there a package with Apache, MySQL, and PHP for apt-get?
[11:56] <mkyb14> LAMP
[11:57] <Phuzion> No.
[11:57] <Phuzion> Insecure.
[11:57] <mkyb14> sudo apt-get lamp
[11:57] <mkyb14> or lighttpd
[11:57] <nalioth> jdermer: i tried /msg ubotu info vlc and uboto told me where to get it
[11:57] <Kejk_PL> eric_: I have to go - it is quite late here in Poland :)
[11:57] <Kejk_PL> bye
[11:57] <mkyb14> Seveas...what's a "big" and how do i file it, or what ever that is
[11:58] <thoreauputic> mkyb14: I think that was a typo for "bug" ;-)
[11:58] <HerdsmanMarengo> anyone know where ubunutu's startup directory is located?
[11:58] <dooglus> HerdsmanMarengo: what do you want to do?
[11:58] <mkyb14> so how do i get info on this? so that it won't happen again when i shutdown and reboot
[11:58] <XFreeMan> i installed slackware on my laptop, the ps/2 touchpad is working but the usb mouse isn't, how can i make it work
[11:58] <FatDarrel> XFreeMan, you need a set of lines in your xconfig
[11:58] <dooglus> XFreeMan: this is #ubuntu
[11:58] <Jowi> XFreeMan: check in #slackware maybe
[11:58] <HerdsmanMarengo> dooglus:  add a couple of lines so it boots an app on startup
[11:59] <dooglus> HerdsmanMarengo: when you log in, or when the system boots?
[11:59] <oO[NOVA] Oo> i really am starting to hate smbmount. now it nags about 'only root can do that'
[11:59] <HerdsmanMarengo> when the system boots
[11:59] <thoreauputic> mkyb14: if it is a bug as Seveas says, you report it on bugzilla and hope it gets fixed
[11:59] <Seveas> oO[NOVA] Oo, sudo smbmount
[11:59] <mkyb14> ok
[11:59] <oO[NOVA] Oo> Seveas: i have a line added in /etc/fstab/ and i don't think i can do a sudo in there. i have a share mounted and i can see it when i go to places > computer. but when i doubleclick it.. i get that message.
[11:59] <thoreauputic> mkyb14: bugzilla URL is in the /topic
[12:00] <FatDarrel> XFreeMan, you basically need to have two pointers. One is the ps2 /dev/ps2 and the other /dev/usb/mouse or something


[06:29] <Tm_T> hello hello, do we still have ops channels etc?
[06:29] <Tm_T> I mean, for more official business
[06:49] <guiverc> Tm_T, there is #ubuntu-ops  (ubuntu team operators)
[06:49] <Tm_T> ah thanks <3
[06:49] <guiverc> sorry ubuntu irc team operators (meant to include irc)


[03:10] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: I have already translated 90% of the doc :)
[03:15]  * jalcine wonders if he could help translating.
[03:15] <jalcine> My Creole (haitian Creole) is a bit iffy.
[03:15] <JoseeAntonioR> jalcine: I've started a test period to translate UWN to Spanish
[03:16] <jalcine> That's fantastic!
[03:20] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: I saw, but only a couple summaries written! the percentage will drop throughout the weekend ;)
[03:21] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: Yep, I'll do my best to continue during the weekend
[03:21] <pleia2> :)
[03:22] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: Would you mind a PM? I need some advice
[03:22] <pleia2> give me 20 minutes? just walked in the door, need to get settled
[03:23] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: Yep!
[03:39] <pleia2> ok, sorted
[03:39] <pleia2> crazy rain out there, I kept hoping for it to stop but then it got to be around closing time for the shop so I had to run out
[03:40] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: Wow, your winter is pretty different to ours.
[03:40] <jalcine> Still pouring? >_<
[03:40] <pleia2> jalcine: yeah, 4th day!
[03:40] <JoseeAntonioR> whaaaaat?!
[03:40] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: this is very unusual :) we usually have nice weather
[03:41] <jalcine> That's horrid!
[03:41] <pleia2> sunny and mid 50F usually
[03:41] <pleia2> it would be fine except that I'm used to walking everywhere all week, no fun in the rain
[03:41] <jalcine> so true..
[03:42] <JoseeAntonioR> here, in winter, a very cold day has an average of 65F
[03:42] <jalcine> I don't mind getting wet at times, but when my hands and face do in the rain, >_<
[03:43] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: if it gets into the 40s here everyone is complaining about the terribly cold weather
[03:44] <pleia2> jalcine: yeah, I tend to be most concerned about what I'm carrying (bag from the shop just now got soaked, as did my lunch yesterday, and my paycheck when I ran to the bank)
[03:46] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: Here, when it rains, it's an extremely light rain
[03:46] <pleia2> usually here too!
[03:46] <pleia2> this is all crazy weather here, I disapprove
[03:47] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: clouds have gone crazy :P
[03:47] <pleia2> it's like I'm back in pennsylvania, not in california :)
[03:50] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: you're welcome to PM, I'll be around for a little bit now
[16:24] <pleia2> good day news friends!
[16:26] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello, pleia2!
[16:54] <cprofitt> hey pleia2
[16:56] <pleia2> hey
[16:57] <pleia2> just adding some last articles and reviewingwhat we have, I think the planet section is too big
[16:57] <Unit193> Howdy?
[16:57] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: I'll check when you've finished to continue with the translations
[17:13] <pleia2> ok, email is out, summary writers go! :)
[17:13] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: huh? which email?
[17:14] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: every week we send an email to all the summary writers who wanted to be informed via email when it was time to write summaries (most of them don't use IRC)
[17:14] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: Oh, great. I'll check which links are still in the doc to change it.
[17:16] <pleia2> :)
[17:20] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: Ouch. I have just noticed I translated part of the prep! D:
[17:21] <pleia2> hehe, oops
[17:21] <JoseeAntonioR> yay, Ctrl+Z saved me
[17:23] <JoseeAntonioR> about the moved to wiki part, should I translate that too?
[17:23] <pleia2> I don't think so
[17:24] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue257 shows what actually gets show to readers
[17:25] <pleia2> so far I've moved over the new members, meeting info and added the February team reports
[17:26] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, so I should translate what is on the wiki
[17:54] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: Ping
[17:55] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: pong
[17:55] <JoseeAntonioR> I think I'm done translating what was in the wiki, where should I put it?
[17:57] <pleia2> you can create a wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletterES or something and then do something like wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletterES/Issue257
[17:57] <pleia2> I don't really know how translations work
[17:58] <JoseeAntonioR> I think a /UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/ES/Issue257 would work better, and we can link to the spanish version in the UWN current wiki
[17:59] <pleia2> ok
[18:05] <JoseeAntonioR> it's done :)
[18:05] <JoseeAntonioR> what we have now is a template?
[18:06] <pleia2> the wiki page is the source for the newsletter and what we use for emails and stuff
[18:08] <JoseeAntonioR> the template for creating new issues is the one that is right now without the meetings and welcome new members, right?
[18:09] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate is the template
[18:11] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, thanks :)


[06:15] <soee> good morning
[06:34] <soee> Riddell: ping
[07:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:48] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, Mirv: apparently we might want to land https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/89486/ https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/89487/
[07:48] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ping
[07:48] <apachelogger> otherwise remote urls cannot be processed correctly
[07:48] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: oh hai there, website? :P
[07:49]  * ovidiu-florin hides
[07:49]  * ovidiu-florin hides in shame :((
[07:49] <soee> ;)
[07:50] <ovidiu-florin> I haven't managed to do more on that :(
[07:51] <ovidiu-florin> lot's of things on my responsibility right now
[07:51] <ovidiu-florin> maybe I'll get a minion at this Hackaton, and get him to do the needed research
[07:51] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: do you have a KDE developer account?
[07:52] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: how is married life?
[07:52] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: yes
[07:53] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: no difference
[07:53] <valorie> heh
[07:53] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: will you support me in getting one?
[07:53] <apachelogger> I have not seen a single line of code from you :O
[07:54] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: why do you need one?
[07:54] <ovidiu-florin> to be able to commit
[07:54] <apachelogger> lol yeah, I figured that out :P
[07:54] <apachelogger> to which repo
[07:55] <ovidiu-florin> right now on KDevelop, but not limited to that
[07:55] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: ask someone from kdevelop to back you then? :)
[07:56] <ovidiu-florin> already did, waiting for the answer
[07:56] <ovidiu-florin> but I was hoping to have the support of multiple people
[07:56] <valorie> might be better to ask your fellow kdevelop devels to sponsor you
[07:56] <valorie> since they see your code
[07:56] <valorie> or apachelogger will make you fix multimedia stuffs
[07:56] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: it's not formal enough to warant that ^^
[07:56] <valorie> you just need one person
[07:57] <apachelogger> yeah
[07:57] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: I don't even code, and I have one
[07:57] <ovidiu-florin> yes, but I'm special :P:P
[07:57] <valorie> <3
[07:57] <apachelogger> can you even list multiple people?
[07:58] <valorie> I've never seen that
[07:58] <apachelogger> IIRC one gets a mail to confirm, poor sysadmins then need to read one's confirmation, so the more people the more mails for sysadmins to read ^^
[07:58] <apachelogger> think of the poor sysadmins
[07:58] <apachelogger> valorie: seems to be newish
[07:59] <valorie> I got mine via IRC
[07:59] <valorie> slip-shod
[07:59] <apachelogger> got one for xhochy's application and then victor even replied to my confirmation xD
[07:59] <apachelogger> such spam
[07:59] <apachelogger> xD
[07:59] <valorie> since i never fixed the MM website after all
[07:59] <apachelogger> such lazy
[07:59] <apachelogger> oh new phonon
[08:00] <valorie> but, I was able to commit to the books repo so it all worked out
[08:00] <valorie> now the website is in git, so I can still do it
[08:00] <valorie> "one of these days"
[08:00] <apachelogger> ^^
[08:00] <apachelogger> websites are crap
[08:01] <apachelogger> I think we should replace them all with redirects to youtube videos
[08:01] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of2HU3LGdbo
[08:02] <valorie> that reminds me of the one that Colbert used to introduce the off-year elections bit
[08:04] <apachelogger> Oo
[08:05] <apachelogger> I can see how the cat chasing a duck while riding a roomba relates to elections *nod*
[08:06] <valorie> that was the point
[08:07] <valorie> so boring to talk about elections when you can watch cat on roomba in a costume etc
[08:07] <valorie> I was going to find the bit but it looks like they only have whole shows now
[08:07] <valorie> boo
[08:08] <valorie> yup, part of the same vid
[08:08] <valorie> classic
[08:09] <valorie> I want to live in that household
[08:18] <apachelogger> valorie: lol
[08:19] <apachelogger> not sure I'd be comfortable with a catshark
[08:22] <valorie> I know my cat wouldn't be down with that
[08:22] <valorie> I totally would
[08:31] <Riddell> soee: you pung?
[08:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: as I said on the mailing list I looked at that patch but it doesn't apply cleanly to qt 5.3
[08:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: on which list was that?
[08:33] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel no?
[08:34] <soee> Riddell: yeah i wanted your opinion @https://plus.google.com/117571247960696909377/posts/UCXneJhDwGt but i see Harald already gave an answer that would be similiar to yours
[08:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2014-October/008835.html
[08:36] <apachelogger> https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/libqt5-qtbase/0004-QFileDialog-implement-getOpenFileUrl-and-friends-for.patch?expand=1
[08:36] <apachelogger> https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/libqt5-qtbase/0003-QFileDialog-turn-workingDirectory-into-a-QUrl.patch?expand=1
[08:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: seems to apply for opensuse?
[08:37] <apachelogger> there's also https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/libqt5-qtbase/0002-QUrl-fromLocalFile-QString-should-lead-to-an-empty-U.patch?expand=1
[08:37] <apachelogger> and https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/KDE:Qt5/libqt5-qtbase/0001-QFileDialog-emit-urlsSelected-urlSelected-in-accept.patch?expand=1
[08:38] <Riddell> seems opensuse have 5.3.2 https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/libqt5-qtbase/libqt5-qtbase.changes?expand=1
[08:38] <apachelogger> that shouldn't really make a difference?
[08:38] <Riddell> now you're saying we should have more patches? not like you :)
[08:38]  * apachelogger wonders if he has a base clone around
[08:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: they are upstream and break remote kio interaction :P
[08:39]  * apachelogger needs to be able to watch porn form smb -.-
[08:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: so you want me to look at applying it again? you have no free time for it?
[08:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: I need to do iso in a bit
[08:40] <apachelogger> so would be good if you could
[08:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am trying to get you patches against 5.3.0 though
[08:41] <Riddell> vale vale, I'll put it on my todo
[08:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: .2 really would be easier ... http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/qtbase/ these apply against .0
[09:00] <apachelogger> no clue if it builds, the 0004 is a complete theirs strategy merge so it might access a function that isn't there ^^
[09:00] <Riddell> ooh thanks
[09:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: re qt patch, for 14.10?
[09:01] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:01] <shadeslayer> Might want to talk to the canonical folks ?
[09:01] <apachelogger> I did include Mirv in the ping :P
[09:02] <shadeslayer> XD
[09:02] <shadeslayer> Ok
[09:02] <shadeslayer> Good enough ;)
[09:04] <Mirv> apachelogger: shadeslayer: feel free to upload to utopic
[09:04] <shadeslayer> Hurrah
[09:05] <Mirv> I have one fix upcoming for bug #1357321 but probably not for utopic. and 5.3.2 tentatively beginning of November to v-series.
[09:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: have you seen the changes maxy did to the sddm init file?
[09:06] <Riddell> it's about 1/10th of the size now, I'm quite suspicious of it
[09:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: init file ? Nope
[09:06] <Mirv> apachelogger: shadeslayer: just note that the main packaging branch is already about 5.3.2, 5.3.0 is at https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtbase-opensource-src_530
[09:07] <apachelogger> Mirv: for utopic?
[09:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-std/sddm.git/commit/?id=f379e6d3fef88a5d71208c09e569c0383b799c89
[09:07] <Mirv> apachelogger: no, not 5.3.2 for utopic
[09:07] <Mirv> or depending what was asked :)
[09:07] <Mirv> that _530 packaging branch is what's currently in utopic
[09:08] <apachelogger> yah, we should land it in utopic  primarily
[09:08] <apachelogger> I guess for +1 we'll hopefully end up with 5.4 anyway :S
[09:08] <Mirv> hopefully yes, but at first it's useful to get same bugfix release as Debian has to it
[09:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mmmm ... Well, mostly we will be using the upstart file anyway
[09:09] <shadeslayer> So it should be fine I guess
[09:09] <Mirv> 5.3.2 test packages are btw at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-015 if ever interested (they are currently build for utopic, but I'll start source copy building them for v-series when it's open)
[09:09] <Mirv> I'll have frameworkintegration and plasma-framework rebuilds there too
[09:10] <Riddell> 5.3 is old school, all the plasma kids are talking about is 5.4 these days
[09:12] <apachelogger> oh on that note
[09:12] <apachelogger> Mirv: did we by any chance grow a patch regarding mouse/wheel input within the last month or so?
[09:13] <apachelogger> wheel input on qt controls sliders is broken as of late for me and I am not sure whether something broke in kde frameworks or qt
[09:14] <Mirv> apachelogger: no, qtbase has been relatively same since June: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+changelog . qtdeclarative has seen a lot of patches.
[09:15] <apachelogger> mhh, need to do some investigating then
[09:15] <apachelogger> brrr
[09:36] <Riddell> apachelogger, shadeslayer: sddm put into git, you may want to ci it
[09:37] <apachelogger> brrr
[09:37] <Riddell> does that make you shiver?
[09:37] <apachelogger> yes, it's sddm :S
[09:38] <Riddell> you should move to barcelona, toasty hot here
[09:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, what's with muon now? did you twiddle the includes around
[09:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I did, still needs packaging newer qt5 versions of qca, qoauth
[09:39] <Riddell> and it installs qml and plugins to the wrong paths which needs looked at
[09:39] <Riddell> and then it still doesn't install stuff
[09:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: have you made sure to use the /3/ include of pkg-kde?
[09:40] <apachelogger> using /2/ would explain the incorrect path
[09:40] <Riddell> I just build it by hand expecting ecm to pick up the right paths
[09:40] <apachelogger> or did you do a manual build without packaging?
[09:40] <apachelogger> ah, then it is peculiar
[09:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: did the manchicken reply on what to do with qapt?
[09:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: only to say he's busy
[09:42]  * apachelogger throws hands up in the air
[09:42] <Riddell> we have qapt for qt5 in the archive
[09:42] <apachelogger> going to merge frameworks branch into amster then :P
[09:42] <Riddell> which is weird because we have the qt4 .deb package still too
[09:42] <Riddell> not sure why that doesn't show up in NBS
[09:42] <apachelogger> I doubt we'll see another release of the qt4 thing anyway
[09:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: qt5 is in next
[09:43] <apachelogger> it weirdly shares the runtime with qt4 though, because muon was blocking a full migration
[09:43] <apachelogger> so that can be changed once we land muon in next
[09:44] <Riddell> ah yes so it is
[09:45] <Riddell> qoauth needs patches to compile, it can't find qca
[09:45] <Riddell> apol tried to make a patch (in qca) but it didn't seem to do much
[09:45] <Riddell> also the soversion is the same between qt4 and 5 which feels wrong
[09:49] <apachelogger> yes, that is indeed wrong ^^
[09:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: of qca?
[09:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: qca and qoauth I think
[09:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: qca I think had an entire argument in some reviewrequest
[09:56]  * apachelogger was rather under the impression that it got resolved
[09:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119939/
[09:58] <apachelogger> check with MK I guess
[10:01] <Riddell> "This change has been discarded." cos Ivan didn't like it despite everyone telling him it was necessary
[10:02] <Riddell> you just can't get the upstreams these days
[10:03] <apachelogger> #forkit
[10:49] <sgclark> morning
[10:53] <Riddell> hola shadeslayer
[10:54] <Riddell> and hola sgclark
[10:59] <sgclark> Riddell: well several of of bugs  for my desktop-mime bit they are applying without problems, but one came back asking "how serious is this" because they do not know if it is beneficial or harmful
[11:10] <Riddell> sgclark: have you tested them out? use dolphin to open a file of the relevant type, does it open in the application?
[11:15] <Mamarok> seriously, guys, this keyboard issue is annoying, where should I report this to? Reminder of the problem: I can't add a German(Germany) layout despite having everything installed (language, keyboard packs), I currently have Swiss German, Swiss French and US, everytime I try to add the German one the only option availabel is German, Swiss
[11:16] <Mamarok> the physical keyboard's layout is German (Germany)
[11:19] <Riddell> Mamarok: yes I confirm that problem, most strange
[11:19] <Riddell> Mamarok: I guess nobody answered before because nobody knows where that list comes from
[11:19] <Mamarok> and there is really no reason this should happen
[11:20] <Riddell> john layt is likely to know where it comes from
[11:20] <Riddell> and it may well be a bug in kde or ubuntu
[11:20] <Mamarok> it is a regression, sa I was able to have the German layout in Trusty,  so maybe something was modified in Utopic causing that
[11:20] <Mamarok> s/sa/as/
[11:20] <kubotu> Mamarok meant: "it is a regression, as I was able to have the German layout in Trusty,  so maybe something was modified in Utopic causing that"
[11:25] <Mamarok> I wouldn't be astonished that the language issue with the konsole on multilingual installations is related
[11:26] <Mamarok> could this be a regression in xkb-data?
[11:29] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: Morning..
[11:34] <sgclark> mornig
[11:38] <Riddell> Mamarok: oh you using plasma 4 or 5?
[11:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iso_%28supermarket%29
[11:41] <shadeslayer> xD
[11:42] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[11:42] <apachelogger> I get to do a duplicated post on planet ubuntu again
[11:42] <apachelogger> weeh
[11:42] <shadeslayer> ^^
[11:43] <shadeslayer> I'm going to get some lunch, ttyl
[11:45] <Mamarok> Riddell:  still 4, I don't think Plasma5 is anywhere near to a productive use
[11:45] <Mamarok> too many glitches, too many products not ported to kf5
[11:45] <Mamarok> and the compatibility sucks
[11:46] <Riddell> Mamarok: ah sorry I was assuming 5 for some reason, so it probably is a regression in something in ubuntu
[11:47] <Mamarok> so report it to launchpad, but against which product?
[11:48] <Riddell> xkb-data seems likely
[11:48] <Mamarok> ok, will do
[11:51] <Mamarok> now that is funny: bug 940924
[11:51] <Mamarok> bug #940924
[11:51] <bshah> heh
[11:52] <Mamarok> it did work for me on Trusty, though, so they made a fix and then did the regression again
[11:56] <Riddell> Mamarok: any idea if this suggestion works? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/940924/comments/9
[11:57] <Mamarok> let me check...
[12:01] <Mamarok> do I need to restart the system or just KDE?
[12:02] <Riddell> just kde I expect
[12:05] <Mamarok> yes! that did work, just adding that particular line makes Hermany show up again in the "Layout" list, but not if you try to use the first option in the KCM "Limit selection by language", so I guess there still is a glitch somewhere
[12:08] <Riddell> interesting...
[12:08] <Riddell> well I guess I can milestone it and try to upload the fix
[12:08] <Riddell> well done on tracking it down Mamarok
[12:14] <Riddell> apachelogger, Mirv: adding those patches and compiling qtbase I get test failures in unrelated qdatetime http://paste.kde.org/p2wj0ti42
[12:16] <apachelogger> huh
[12:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe it just doesn't like your system time? ^^
[12:16] <Mirv> Riddell: uh. try PPA? I have to say keeping qtbase tests enabled is not the easiest job, and sometimes one gets different results locally than on builders.
[12:17] <Mirv> I've a qtbase build done this week in a PPA that didn't show any new problems
[12:20] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1335639 in trusty queue for sru consideration
[12:20] <apachelogger> oh oh
[12:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you actually upload scheduler sru btw?
[12:21]  * apachelogger ponders using trusty next week for validation purposes
[12:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: shadeslayer did  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/186821233/kubuntu-settings_1%3A14.04ubuntu15_1%3A14.04ubuntu15.1.diff.gz
[12:21] <Riddell> in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[12:22] <apachelogger> ah yes perfect
[12:39] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[12:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: I found the app again that allows multiple apt caches to be  built... it's chdist xD
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:58] <sgclark> hiyas
[13:41] <Riddell> awooga http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/plasma-5-weekly-iso-revisited/
[13:47]  * sgclark shares
[14:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: does the image use trusty or utopic?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> utopic IIRC
[14:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: what packages should we recommend people install? neon or kubuntu-ci?
[14:12] <Riddell> and what's the apt line for kubuntu-ci?
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable
[14:13] <Riddell> should that replace neon5 on https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages ?
[14:20] <sgclark> I am told sddm generates WARNING: /lib/systemd/system/sddm.service is the selected default display manager but does not exist
[14:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: until utopic is out there is not much poin in telling people to use ci in apt :P
[14:25] <Riddell> gotcha
[14:26] <sgclark> what do I tell this user ^ ?
[14:27] <Riddell> sgclark: should be safe to ignore
[14:27] <Riddell> we don't use systemd
[14:27] <Riddell> apachelogger, Mirv: the patches change symbols? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/187570153/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.qtbase-opensource-src_5.3.0%2Bdfsg-2ubuntu10~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:29] <sgclark> we don't? ok
[14:52] <sgclark> hmm well he is having the "black screen" issue..
[14:53] <Riddell> hmm, that one went away for me updating to the latest package
[14:53] <Riddell> sgclark: ask him to update to sddm 0.10.0 package
[14:53] <sgclark> This thread is on my share of the sio today
[14:53] <Riddell> sgclark: pardon?
[14:53] <sgclark> s/sio/iso/
[14:53] <kubotu> sgclark meant: "This thread is on my share of the iso today"
[14:54] <Riddell> I still don't understand
[14:55] <sgclark> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/plasma-5-weekly-iso-revisited/
[14:56] <Riddell> no comments there
[14:58] <sgclark> gosh the post is on my g+ wall, I just gave him some suggestions that have worked for me
[14:59] <sgclark> who knows, maybe he has the crazy NVidia problem I have
[14:59] <sgclark> I had to completely remove the Ubuntu NVidia driver and install drivers from the NVidia site to get a functioning system
[15:03] <sgclark> Riddell: https://plus.google.com/115409429955408963270/posts/8aLfA7Sxi3J
[15:10] <Riddell> sgclark: answered with some bits
[15:16] <sgclark> thanks
[15:18] <genii> How do all the files in /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/    aside from "build" get created? Right now systemd-udevd on my 14.10 is groaning about not being able to open modules.builtin.bin   but I'm not sure what created it, since the linux-headers package doesn't contain any of it.
[15:22]  * genii goes and pokes around more
[15:23] <Riddell> sgclark: he replied and said "
[15:23] <Riddell> I uninstalled lightdm and verified that sddm-theme-breeze is installed. The message I get is : /etc/rc2.d/S02sddm: 4:. : Can't open /lib/init/init-d-script"
[15:24] <Riddell> which is weird, since that rc2.d script shouldn't get run if he's using upstart
[15:24] <sgclark> hmm that is not good
[15:29] <soee> hiho
[15:29] <soee> good news, i just tried sddm again and it worked
[15:31] <sgclark> hello, great
[15:31] <sgclark> yeah it works great for me with the upstream nvidia driver
[15:32] <sgclark> ubuntu nvidia driver not so much
[15:32] <soee> sgclark: it worked for you before ?
[15:33] <sgclark> not with the nvidia driver from driver-manager no.
[15:34] <soee> ups sorry, i see now that im on intel profiel not nvidia
[15:34] <soee> ill try to switch to nvidia and see if sddm still works
[15:38] <soee> hmm if i change profiel in Nvidia Settings is says i have to logout to get it applied, if i logout i have only black screen, if i than reboot i have intel profile again not nvidia
[15:38] <soee> so it seems its not working with nvidia
[15:41] <soee> back on lightdm
[15:42] <soee> sddm does not work for me with nvdia
[15:42] <soee> ;]
[15:50] <shadeslayer> soee_: file a bug
[16:06] <Riddell> yay, gtkbreeze uploaded which sets gtk theme, another nice little addition to plasma5 images
[16:10] <soee_> shadeslayer: i posted few days ago comment under exuisting but related to nvidia-prime
[16:11] <soee_> *existing bug
[16:11] <sgclark> soee_ not work with nvidia?
[16:11] <soee_> i think its nvidia-prime problem here
[16:11] <soee_> sgclark: nope
[16:12] <sgclark> correct shadeslayer: I reported this bug some time ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1377321
[16:13] <soee_> sgclark: not sure how it works with single nvidia card, but on my laptop with optimus technology it works only when im on intel profile
[16:13] <soee_> laso im on latest xorg edgers ppa drivers = 343
[16:13] <sgclark> and nvidia-prime pulls in a ton of unity-gnome crap and leaves you with unity-greeter that cannot start the session
[16:13] <soee_> ah yes so i did not post a comment but only added myself as affected
[16:14] <soee_> sgclark: nope, i have nothing related to unity
[16:14] <sgclark> soee_: I gave up with the ubuntu nvidia drivers, all the dpends had my system all confused. and it horrible.
[16:14] <sgclark> ran horrible
[16:15] <soee_> ;]
[16:15] <soee_> so you are using direct from nvidia ?
[16:15] <sgclark> so I uninstalled all of it and ran the nvidia script and sddm runs happy as a lark and my system runs beautifully
[16:15] <soee_> interesting
[16:16] <sgclark> but not really an option for your day to day user...
[16:16] <sgclark> so getting it properly working is a better solution
[16:17] <soee_> maybe is houdl post new bug
[16:25] <Riddell> Mamarok: hmm I do get a German layout as an option when trying to add layouts in plasma5
[16:25] <Riddell> Mamarok: but in limit to country it doesn't list germany only germany (switzerland)
[16:27] <Mamarok> Riddell: well, the layout is there, but what is more than strange is the impossibility to limit by language, German doesn't show up, only German, Swiss, and that layout is totally different
[16:27] <Mamarok> and that is just plain wrong, as there is no German, Swiss "language", ther only is a different keyboard layout
[16:28] <Riddell> Mamarok: so what does adding that change to the de file make different?
[16:29] <Riddell> this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/940924/comments/9
[16:29] <Mamarok> for me the layout was missing, too
[16:29] <Mamarok> it was there in Trusty, and gone in Utopic
[22:21] <apparle> Guys I want to contribute to some development in Kubuntu, any small project or something I can get started with...?
[22:27] <sgclark> apparle: I am sure there are several things that you could help with :) unfortunately most are in european time and it is getting rather late on a Friday, so keep hanging out in here and I am sure we can work out things for you to do. Thanks!
[22:28] <apparle> ohk cool :)
[22:39] <valorie> apparle: what are you interested in doing?
[22:39] <valorie> packaging, documentation, other?
[22:40] <valorie> also, good to read the links in the /topic
[22:40] <valorie> have you upgraded or installed utopic yet?
[22:40] <valorie> upgraded to
[22:40] <apparle> I'm pretty much a noob I guess
[22:41] <valorie> we all start new
[22:41] <valorie> but what interests you?
[22:41] <apparle> had started working on KDE summer of code long long time back, but couldn't continue due to some personal problems
[22:41] <valorie> so you do have some intensive knowledge
[22:41] <apparle> and then was away from linux and kubuntu itself for roughly 3-4 years
[22:41] <valorie> it takes quite a bit to be accepted
[22:42] <apparle> no I don't think so
[22:42] <valorie> just curious: GSoC for KDE, or Season of KDE?
[22:42] <apparle> no no not GSoC
[22:42] <apparle> I agree... that's a big shot :D
[22:42] <apparle> season of KDE
[22:43] <valorie> GSoc is sponsored by Google
[22:43] <valorie> SoK is just KDE
[22:43] <valorie> we're just kicking off a new SoK right now, actually
[22:43] <valorie> now through the end of Jan.
[22:43] <apparle> ohh cool
[22:43] <valorie> anyway, back on point: what do you see yourself doing in Kubuntu?
[22:44] <apparle> btw, just out of curiosity, how time intensive is it typically... I'm also Graduate student doing my Masters
[22:44] <valorie> it's quite an exciting time here
[22:44] <valorie> that all depends on what you want to do, and how much time you have
[22:45] <apparle> I thought I might start with some basic bug fixing etc. though I don't know if that's a good place to start, since it requires knowledge of the existing stuff
[22:45] <valorie> how about testing?
[22:45] <apparle> sure, why not
[22:46] <valorie> our supposedly final images are out, with release coming soon
[22:46] <valorie> have you kept up on what's happening in Kubuntu, with our CI and so forth?
[22:47] <apparle> no not really... installed Kubuntu about a month ago
[22:47] <valorie> ok
[22:47] <valorie> so KDE is also making big changes, starting by splitting kdelibs into the Frameworks
[22:47] <apparle> I was just keeping up with news like Nokia and Qt, but not release-by-release news
[22:48] <apparle> ok... go on
[22:51] <valorie> that work is largely done, although of course each library is being improved as time goes along
[22:51] <valorie> and there is now Plasma 5, based on those new frameworks
[22:51] <valorie> that is nearly done, and 5.1 was released two days ago
[22:51] <valorie> lots of excitement around that, because it looks and works really elegant
[22:51] <valorie> smooth and modern
[22:51] <valorie> still some stuff missing of course
[22:51] <valorie> finally, applications will be ported as well
[22:51] <valorie> some are done, some remain
[22:51] <valorie> so our upstream is up to lots of new wonderful stuff, including using CI too
[22:51] <valorie> we're following along and doing that with our packages - see #kubuntu-ci for the reports as they are generated
[22:52] <apparle> what's CI ?
[22:53] <valorie> the final bit is that we're putting our new packaging in the Debian git, so we can share packaging with them when possible
[22:53] <valorie> this should give all of us debian and kubuntu packagers more time to improve quality more, while spending less time on repetitive tasks
[22:53] <valorie> continuous integration with automated testing
[22:54] <apparle> ohk, is there some documents I can read up, to get started
[22:54] <valorie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_integration
[22:54] <valorie> well, get started with what, is the question?
[22:55] <valorie> what are you interested in
[22:56] <apparle> :D I'm not sure
[22:56] <apparle> anyway, I've got to run right now... I'll be back in few hours, you'll be around
[22:56] <apparle> ?
[22:56] <valorie> if you want to do testing, here are some links: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds/82050/testcases
[22:57] <valorie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds/82052/testcases
[22:57] <valorie> yes, I'll be around for quite awhile
[22:57] <apparle> ok testing is one option, what are other options... since you are giving me a choice
[22:57] <valorie> I suggest reading some of kdeplanet
[22:58] <valorie> esp. our kubuntu stuff, and look at recent news on kubuntu.org
[22:58] <valorie> see what catches your interest
[22:58] <valorie> and we can start from there
[22:58] <apparle> ok, sounds good, I'll be back after some time
[22:59] <apparle> btw, a side question, do you know if some API or something reports if a sound is playing
[22:59] <apparle> dbus interface to pulseaudio or phonon?
[23:01] <apparle> I get irritated by the fact that system sleeps even when music is playing through some music streaming website, and I thought maybe I'll script it up somehow.
[23:01] <valorie> PA reports it, kmix reports it
[23:01] <valorie> so you want it not to sleep if there is sound?
[23:02] <valorie> your question might better be answered in #kde-multimedia though
[23:02] <valorie> where the experts live
[23:02] <apparle> yes... that should be the behaviour in a typical system right
[23:02] <apparle> if music is playing, or I'm playing a movie on youtube, the system should not go to sleep
[23:03] <apparle> actually small small things like this, that's what made me think, let me contribute to the project
[23:04] <apparle> but 3 years, and I'm just amazed at the awesomeness which KDE and Kubuntu have reached.
[23:04] <apparle> 95% of the things just work out of the box, as compared to how things were, back in 2010-11
[23:07] <valorie> apparle: there might be a setting somewhere to inhibit that
[23:08] <valorie> not sure
[23:09] <apparle> It seems Amarok and VLC do that on their own. There is a bug on clementine player which I use. But this should be something system wide, implemented at Pulseaudio level I think
[23:10] <valorie> then #pulseaudio might be the chan for ya
[23:10] <valorie> or both....
[23:10] <valorie> the thing is, PA is used by many linux systems, not just KDE
[23:10] <valorie> so dunno if "system wide" setting like that will work
[23:10] <valorie> Coling will know
[23:11] <apparle> I think I'll have to detect that sound is playing for maybe more than 5sec to conclude that it's not a system sound but a multimedia playback and put it under a script in sleep.d
[23:12] <apparle> /etc/pm/sleep.d
[23:12] <apparle> that should be generic enough to work KDE or non KDE
[23:14] <apparle> We'll discuss this after I'm back. Bye for now.
[23:14] <valorie> like I said, take it up with the experts
[23:14] <valorie> and look at bugs.kde.org and see if others have reported the same thing
[23:15] <valorie> bye


[00:39] <jelmer> my latest project: https://launchpad.net/apache-bzr
[01:02] <maxb> jelmer: intriguing... but what does it do that mod_wsgi cannot?
[01:05] <jelmer> maxb: it's just one switch in a configuration file
[01:06] <jelmer> IOW, it's easier to setup and the goal is to e.g. make it trivial to enable Wikkid/Loggerhead/Git for a bzr branch this way as well
[01:10] <jelmer> it also doesn't require configuration per bzr dir, it allows you to just enable the smart server for /all/ bzr branches under e.g. a <Directory>
[03:26] <bill__> Anybody here?  I have somehow broken my repository with a bad commit syntax
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> does bzr have no copy/cp function?
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> i can't seem to find one in help
[08:02] <bob2> there's a spec on lp iirc
[08:02] <bob2> er blueprint
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> mm, that makes me sad. ah well. thanks for the info
[08:07] <bob2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/269095
[08:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks, i'll subscribe to it
[12:28]  * maxb blinks, and wonders if it's actually possible that unshelve is completely broken in bzr.dev
[12:29] <maxb> hmm, no. Same crash with 2.1 and 2.2
[19:53] <LeoNerd> Is there a way to build a long report of changes; with full diff and commit message per revision...?
[19:53] <LeoNerd> I was hoping that  bzr send   or  bzr bundle   would do it, but I can't see it
[19:55] <luks> bzr log -p ?
[19:55] <LeoNerd> Oh.. hehe..
[19:55] <LeoNerd> OK that does it, thanks
[19:56] <LeoNerd> It only has to be human-readable, not machine parsed so that'll do fine


[00:14] <JanC> jameh: preferably, test on Ubuntu too before reporting a bug?
[02:32] <hyperair> Sarvatt: ah, okay, thanks.
[13:33] <MCR1> ricotz: Hi :) Upgraded to 13.04, fglrx worx, Docky still runs ;)
[14:13] <ricotz> MCR1, nice ;)
[17:43] <bjsnider> someone still uses docky?


[01:53] <cam> hi
[09:52] <ItzDark_Cris> i have a problem with my pc
 it's very challenging to solve 'a' problem
 what do you want us to do for you? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <ItzDark_Cris> i have a problem with my pc)
 Can anyone help with the bios problem?
[13:01] <Maik> @Michaël they left in less than a minute after posting
 do you need help to boot your installation or to expand your partition? (re @T34P4RTY: Can anyone help with the bios problem?)
 tx (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Maik> @Michaël they left in less than a minute after posting)
 define "bios problem" (re @T34P4RTY: Can anyone help with the bios problem?)
 because usually the system BIOS is not at fault ;)
 I removed the windows is that was in my laptop, leaving 18.04 Lubuntu now it just keeps going round in the BIOS window
 How do I access my Lubuntu partition? Or do I need to do a full re install?
 he did (re @teward001: define "bios problem")
 here (re @T34P4RTY: I downloaded a live intall onto a USB (18.04.5 which is what was using) but it just goes to this screen and the BIOS page)
 a day ago ;)
 @T34P4RTY normally I would suggest you go through the process of booting to an installer disk, and running the boot-repair tool.
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
 it usually can find and fix the most frequent problems.
 the BIOS 'spinning' is not necessarily a BIOS problem but more a fact that you removed whatever bootloader partition existed, Windows or Otherwise, and you need to go through boot-repair to fix it
 this is one of the regular headaches I see with Windows dualboots because Windows adds a niiiice separate 'system' partition for booting and that's usually where boot files get dropped >.>
 if you still have your installation media you used for Lubuntu, follow the 2nd option on that wiki page, and just use Recommended Repair
 No I don't have the installation media. The one I have starts ok but then won't get past mirrors (says bad mirror after several attempts UK, USA etc) also can't find DHCP
 so you can't drop to a "try lubuntu" session then either.  The only solution to access your data is to load up the live session, access your hard drive, and copy data out you want.  Then do a complete reinstall and use the entire system disk.
 unfortunately, if you can't get DHCP addresses that's a bit of the problem - 'bad mirror' is because you have no Internet.
 Thanks I'll take it to a computer repair place I've used and ask for a full reinstall. Each time I try to download ISO from Lubuntu it won't recognise it. Spent hours on it!
 it sounds more like an incomplete download on your side then
 next time you try and download the ISO verify the hash sums
 Yes probably. Have you got a link to a good download for 18.04.5?
 How do you verify hash sums
 amd64: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.5/release/lubuntu-18.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso
 i386: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.5/release/lubuntu-18.04.5-desktop-i386.iso
 SUMS files: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.5/release/SHA256SUMS
 download ISO, sha256sum the ISO file
 compare against the known sums in the SHA256SUMS file for the filename you're working with
 Thanks I'll give that a go
 https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-verify-ubuntu#6-check-the-iso is really the steps, just make sure you keep in mind Lubuntu vs. Ubuntu.
 documentation is still useful though :)
 step 6 if you don't want to go through the GPG verification steps. :)
 👍🏻
 @Thomas I was using WiFi if I used a lead to connect to the router would that work and give internet?
 And avoid the 'bad mirror' issue?
 i haven't seen the exact 'bad mirror' issues you've stated (I need to see the actual error output) but probably.  Wifi can be glitchy, but if the router also doesn't give your ethernet an address you have a problem beyond just the computer in use (re @T34P4RTY: And avoid the 'bad mirror' issue?)
 as for the 'bad mirror' USUALLY it's because you get "unable to resolve address" ass the problem
 and that's fixable by getting actual internet connectivity (DHCP)
 sorry i've been busy with work :P
 No problem, thanks for your time :)
 yep


[05:42] <arangaran2023[m]> hi
[05:42] <arangaran2023[m]> i have a problem i am trying to instal lubuntu backport in Kinetic but it appears to be missing from the repositories
[05:43] <arangaran2023[m]> anyone could lend me a hand about what to do? i know you guys are busy with 23.04 and i would use 22.04 but my laptop only works with Kinetic
[05:43] <arangaran2023[m]> (otherwise i end with no sound, the glory of tigerlake)
[05:45] <guiverc> #lubuntu is for support; but backports will give you a later LXQt in 22.04 (jammy), LXQt already had a newer LXQt 1.1 .. https://lubuntu.me/jammy-backports-22-04-1/  ie. it's for 22.04
[05:47] <guiverc> arangaran2023[m], even the later blog (https://lubuntu.me/jammy-backports-22-04-1-lxqt-1-2/) only mentions jammy/22.04 backports, but please use #lubuntu for support
[05:49] <arangaran2023[m]> ok im try the element web app, i assume that lubuntu is a channel how do i go there?
[05:50] <guiverc> https://lubuntu.me/links/ has many links & details of channels.. sorry I don't often use a 'element web app' so can't really advise there sorry
[05:51] <guiverc> arangaran2023[m], ^
[05:52] <arangaran2023[m]> ok thank you, so in sum, i am kind of screwed cos the hard fact is that there is no backport for kinetic
[05:52] <arangaran2023[m]> so if i want lubuntu 22.10 i must download and install it again and everything on top
[05:54] <guiverc> https://matrix.to/#/#lubuntu:libera.chat maybe helpful, but I don't know re: webchat.    Lubuntu 22.10 is a short-term/interim stable release so using PPA just complicates the release-upgrade process; the LTS release has years of life thus it's more useful for backports there (far less need on 22.10; as first backport gave what 22.10 had to 22.04)...  SRU of changes makes more sense, that will be done when/IF resources allow
[05:56] <arangaran2023[m]> oh yeah i use 22.04 in other computers but 22.04 for some reason does not support tigerlake well enough to allow it to use the microphone or the speakers
[05:56] <guiverc> You can re-install Lubuntu non-destructively.. You'll find it mentioned in the [understanding] Lubuntu checklists documention on our discourse/forum
[05:56] <arangaran2023[m]> and there seems to be a bug in kernels 6.x that screw things too so i am trapped with 22.10 so far hoping that 23.04 works better
[05:56] <guiverc> 22.04 has 2x kernel options; GA=5.15 the most stable; the 5.19 kernel from 22.10 is now available via -edge on 22.04
[05:57] <guiverc> but please use a support channel; this isn't Lubuntu support.
[05:57] <arangaran2023[m]> yup
[05:57] <arangaran2023[m]> i will i was just explaining myself thanks guiverc


[02:01] <bunty> hey guysanyone up ?
[02:02] <bunty> just installed 12.04 and it didn't create my user "bunty" for me. At login I used "guest" to login
[02:02] <bunty> how can I add my user bunty.. I tried sudo useradd ... but obviously user guest isn't in the sudo list
[02:02] <bunty> any suggestions ?
[02:06] <Unit193> How did you end up doing that??  Try the recovery mode, see if you can use that.
[02:47] <pablo_> hello everyone. Quick question
[02:47] <pablo_> I just installed xubuntu alongside win7. I had win7 activated with the extreme loader. Now the dual boot menu presents me the option to boot to Win7 or to Win Vista. Which one should I choose? I don't know hot the loader works
[02:48] <holstein> if it were me, i would just try both
[02:49] <pablo_> couldn't I run the risk of losing Win's activation or something?
[02:49] <holstein> i have a machine that grub sees "windows 7" and "windows vista loader" ...one is the OS, and one is a recovery partition
[02:49] <holstein> pablo_: i have no idea
[02:49] <pablo_> oh... the vista must be a recovery patition, then
[02:49] <holstein> pablo_: i wouldnt think so... i would think you would run the risk of seeing a recovery partition startup
[02:49] <pablo_> this computer came with win vista and has a recovery disk
[02:50] <pablo_> thank you so very much. I'm really new to this
[02:50] <holstein> problem is, theres no one that can tell you what is what there... maye who ever maintains "exrtreme loader", whatever that is
[02:51] <holstein> pablo_: OIC.. thats a way of getting around that license?
[02:51] <holstein> pablo_: i cant help with that.. you should pay for windows
[02:51] <holstein> cant/wont
[02:51] <pablo_> thanks
[05:07] <asterismo> any chance to substitute thunar with nautilus bu default?
[05:07] <asterismo> by*
[05:07] <Unit193> Not really.
[05:08] <asterismo> so, somethings i cannot really understand
[05:08] <asterismo> Unit193, and why is that?
[05:09] <Unit193> Heavy depends, takes over, thunar is part of the Xfce project, etc.
[05:46] <MissVera> Anyone awake? :x
[05:52] <fuzzynurfhurter> hi yall im having a prob trying to change the greeter screen
[06:15] <baizon> fuzzynurfhurter? MissVera ?
[06:15] <MissVera> I think I'm okay.. I wont know if my issue is fixed for another few minutes :P
[06:16] <Unit193> fuzzynurfhurter: What are you trying to change it to, and what DM?
[06:16] <baizon> MissVera: ok
[06:16] <baizon> fuzzynurfhurter: http://askubuntu.com/questions/121373/etc-lightdm-unity-greeter-conf-file-missing
[06:23] <fuzzynurfhurter> i sry yall
[06:23] <fuzzynurfhurter> i think its lightdm i
[06:24] <fuzzynurfhurter> i have some tars for the boot loader screen i wanna use
[06:25] <fuzzynurfhurter> sry installing xp pro 64bit lol
[06:26] <baizon> hmm, dont know how to change login backgroud screen -> installin windows :/
[06:27] <MissVera> Install Successful!!! FINALLY!!  *dance*
[06:29] <MissVera> Night fellas!
[06:31] <fuzzynurfhurter> yeah lol its the only 64 bit os i have for my rig to use
[06:33] <xubuntu586> do you need a disc to load the os?
[06:34] <fuzzynurfhurter> yeah i have 1 already
[06:34] <Unit193> You could also use a flashdrive.
[06:34] <xubuntu586> lol... do I  need a disc to load the os?
[06:34] <fuzzynurfhurter> at the moment when i boot it up now it says theres a windows file missing  so i gotta fix that first
[06:35] <fuzzynurfhurter> oh my bad lol u
[06:35] <xubuntu227> hello
[06:36] <xubuntu227> how to install from usb?
[06:36] <fuzzynurfhurter> i use yummy or unetbootin to install it to usb
[06:36] <Unit193> !usb | xubuntu227
[06:36] <xubuntu227> oh thanks a lot, let me check them :)
[06:37] <xubuntu586> is flash drive and cd's the only way to load the os?
[06:40] <well_laid_lawn> !install
[06:42] <xubuntu586> ty   ty    ty
[07:03] <xubuntu227> Live USB is stuck on formattting persistance file
[07:03] <xubuntu227> its been more than 3 minutes
[07:04] <xubuntu227> around 10 minutes actully
[07:15] <MordFustang> hi can someone tell me how to change grub settings in xubuntu?
[07:17] <well_laid_lawn> edit the grub files in /etc and update-grub
[07:17] <well_laid_lawn> !grub
[07:21] <MordFustang> just found great tutorial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr25UmK8gcg&feature=related
[07:21] <MordFustang> :D
[07:22] <MordFustang> brb restart
[08:25] <josy> hi all
[08:46] <xwalk> Hello. Is there a way to edit the 50-synaptics.conf file in xorg.conf.d to disable the ClickPad feature of a touchpad device? I'm using awesome and can't seem to find out the right way to do it.
[08:51] <Sysi> xwalk: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/4282/disabling-touchpad-taptoclick-with-gsynaptics-nb-the-caveat/
[08:52] <Sysi> xwalk: there are couple of line in the bottom, create touchpad.sh, set it to be executable and add to autostart
[08:56] <xwalk> Sysi: Thanks for that.
[09:01] <Spike29> -!- Spike29
[09:02] <xwalk> Sysi: That definitely worked, but is there any reason why adding the Option "ClickPad" "false" line to the 50-synaptics.conf file wasn't working?
[09:02] <xwalk> Sysi: It may be ignorance on my part, but it was to my understanding that editing that file would do the trick.
[09:03] <Sysi> xwalk: IIRC that file was for HAL that isn't used anymore
[09:04] <Sysi> but I've never wanted to touch anything near xorg.conf and I haven't used synaptics touchpad in a while
[09:04] <xwalk> Sysi: I see. I think I remember reading something about that while I was in the xorg.conf man page yesterday now.
[10:36] <Os_Maleus> anybody using here kmail and knowing how to change the "User-Agent"-entry there?
[10:36] <Os_Maleus> I found a description that says the following: "Select Settings | Configure KMail ... Composer ... Headers tab ... Click on New ... Type the header's name in the Name: field ... To overwrite the "User-Agent:" header, type "User-Agent", for example ... Type the desired value in the Value: field ... Click OK"
[10:37] <Os_Maleus> but if I follow it, closing the window for the settings over "Apply" and "OK", the changes are in fact not taken over.
[10:37] <knome> Os_Maleus, is that a kde app? maybe try #kubuntu
[10:38] <Os_Maleus> knome: thanks! ... actually, You are right.
[10:38] <knome> not that it's completely offtopic here, but most of us don't know kde apps
[10:42] <Os_Maleus> knome: thanks for Your advise!
[14:30] <xubuntu379> всем прувейт!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:31] <Mathsterk> lol
[14:31] <xubuntu379> русские есть?
[14:31] <xubuntu379> English?
[14:31] <Mathsterk> english is better
[14:32] <xubuntu379> =(
[14:32] <xubuntu379> I'm russian
[14:32] <Mathsterk> i'm 20 or something kilometers away from russia, lol :P
[14:33] <xubuntu379> germany?
[14:33] <Mathsterk> norway
[14:33] <xubuntu379> polska?
[14:34] <xubuntu379> I'm install xubuntu now
[14:34] <xubuntu379> I use Acer One 522
[14:34] <xubuntu379> With AMD C-50
[14:36] <xubuntu379> Hibernate
[14:36] <xubuntu379> with FGLRX dont work
[14:36] <xubuntu379> I need use free drivers for my PC
[15:10] <uzumati> ad
[15:12] <uzumati> k
[15:38] <Lord`Saladin> I just upgraded to Xubuntu 12.04 yesterday and ever since whenever I make a media player go full screen, my panels stay on top of the video. Is there any way to fix this besides setting my panels to auto-hide?
[15:42] <xubuntu308> hi all
[15:43] <xubuntu308> I recentcly changed my mother mother board, since then I don't have any sound
[15:47] <xubuntu308> the mother board is an  nVidia-nForce
[15:47] <xubuntu308> I use the integrated sound card
[15:51] <xubuntu308> is anybody willing to help me?
[15:52] <GridCube> !anyone
[15:52] <xubuntu308> sorry I am not very familiar with the irc
[15:53] <pleia2> xubuntu308: might want to give this a shot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[15:55] <GridCube> xubuntu308, :) whats your problem?
[15:55] <pleia2> sound isn't working
[15:56] <xubuntu308> alsamixer returns "no such file or directory"
[15:57] <GridCube> xubuntu308, on a terminal write: "als" and then press tab twice
[15:57] <GridCube> dont write the "
[15:57] <xubuntu308> alsa          alsactl       alsaloop      alsamixer     alsamixergui  alsaucm
[15:57] <GridCube> then, there is it
[15:57] <xubuntu308> yep
[15:58] <xubuntu308> but "the mixer can not be opened: No such file or directory"
[15:58] <xubuntu308> when I type alsamixer
[15:59] <GridCube> well thats wrong
[15:59] <GridCube> do sudo alsamixer
[15:59] <xubuntu308> done
[15:59] <GridCube> and?
[15:59] <xubuntu308> result: the mixer can not be opened: No such file or directory
[16:00] <GridCube> okay
[16:00] <GridCube> do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get purge alsamixer && sudo apt-get install alsamixer
[16:00] <xubuntu308> ok
[16:02] <xubuntu308> hmm
[16:02] <xubuntu308> currently running step 1 from here
[16:02] <xubuntu308> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[16:02] <xubuntu308> it was in background when chatting
[16:03] <GridCube> oh, then you are installing stuff already
[16:03] <xubuntu308> but this may do the same
[16:03] <xubuntu308> yes
[16:04] <xubuntu308> I am fighting with for 10 hours now
[16:04] <xubuntu308> at one moment alsa was working
[16:04] <xubuntu308> but no sound
[16:05] <GridCube> mmhm if that happens you might need to do sudo alsa force-unload && sudo alsa force-reload
[16:05] <GridCube> that usually fix things up
[16:06] <xubuntu308> so the step 1 is done
[16:06] <xubuntu308> do I have to reboot?
[16:06] <GridCube> not really
[16:06] <GridCube> oh
[16:06] <GridCube> it says you do
[16:06] <GridCube> then you have to
[16:07] <xubuntu308> no
[16:07] <xubuntu308> just because I read that it is often helpful
[16:07] <GridCube> :)
[16:07] <xubuntu308> so I can try to reload alsa
[16:08] <GridCube> yes, but you just better reboot and all the drivers should boot properly
[16:09] <xubuntu308> I have also read that pulse can conflict
[16:09] <GridCube> i havent had a problem yet
[16:09] <xubuntu308> ok
[16:09]  * GridCube touches wood
[16:10] <xubuntu308> if I reboot I will loose chat id
[16:10] <GridCube> then you /nick
[16:10] <GridCube> /nick choosennickname
[16:11] <xubuntu308> ok
[16:11] <GridCube> try it now :)
[16:11] <xubuntu308> :)
[16:15] <xubuntu308_> so I here am ..
[16:15] <xubuntu308_> back
[16:15] <GridCube> :)
[16:15] <xubuntu308_> so what is the simpliest way to check sound
[16:16] <xubuntu308_> speaker-test
[16:16] <xubuntu308_> ?
[16:16] <GridCube> or play some musics
[16:16] <xubuntu308_> yep
[16:16] <xubuntu308_> using my player?
[16:17] <GridCube> sure
[16:17] <xubuntu308_> (foobnix which I like very much)
[16:17] <xubuntu308_> :)
[16:17] <GridCube> :)
[16:17] <GridCube> i have to go for a while
[16:17] <xubuntu308_> ok
[16:18] <xubuntu308_> I will continue to follow the SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[16:19] <xubuntu308_> not working :(
[16:26] <xubuntu308_> ok so if anyone is still able to help me
[16:27] <Lord`Saladin> I just upgraded to Xubuntu 12.04 yesterday and ever since whenever I make a media player go full screen, my panels stay on top of the video. Is there any way to fix this besides setting my panels to auto-hide?
[16:29] <Mathsterk> Lord`Saladin: tried pressing somewhere else than the panels in fullscreen?
[16:30] <SandJ> Lord`Saladin - last night I viewed a movie in Xubuntu 12.04 for the first time.  I used Parole to watch it full screen.  The video was over the panels and they are not set to auto-hide.  So what you are getting is not normal behaviour.
[16:32] <Lord`Saladin> Mathsterk, SandJ: Huh, I just tried again, using Parole and then VLC (which I was using before) and the panels are no longer displaying. Weird.
[16:32] <Lord`Saladin> Good, but weird.
[16:32] <Lord`Saladin> Thanks for the help anyway. :)
[16:32] <xubuntu308_> concerning my sound issue
[16:33] <xubuntu308_> here is the result of alsa-info.sh
[16:33] <xubuntu308_>  /proc/asound/version: No such file or directory
[16:54] <GridCube> SandJ, i use smplayer and it works flawlessly
[16:54] <GridCube> xubuntu308_, check that your user belongs to the "audio" group
[16:54] <xubuntu308_> hmm
[16:55] <xubuntu308_> how to do that
[16:55] <xubuntu308_> ?
[16:55] <xubuntu308_> I am using the interated chat
[16:56] <xubuntu308_> the webchat from xubuntu site
[16:57] <GridCube> xubuntu308_, go to system > users and groups
[16:57] <GridCube> and go to manage groups on you user and see if you belong to audio
[16:58] <xubuntu308_> oh
[16:58] <xubuntu308_> sorry
[16:58] <xubuntu308_> i did not get what you meant
[16:58] <xubuntu308_> yes I I am in the group
[16:59] <GridCube> mmhm
[16:59] <xubuntu308_> I am currently trying the AlsaUpgradeScript
[16:59] <GridCube> :)
[16:59] <GridCube> ok
[16:59] <GridCube> xubuntu308_, :) you could go to #ubuntustudio channel
[17:00] <GridCube> they use xubuntu as their base and they should be more knowledgables on audio stuff
[17:00] <xubuntu308_> after reboot alsamixer is still retruning the same
[17:00] <xubuntu308_> hmm
[17:00] <xubuntu308_> interesting
[17:01] <xubuntu308_> I'll give it a try
[17:01] <xubuntu308_> thx
[17:01] <GridCube> no problem, this is out of my league anyway :) they might know better
[17:01] <xubuntu308_> ok
[17:01] <xubuntu308_> thanks again
[17:01] <GridCube> :) no problem
[17:34] <martinphone> I need help to play simcity2000 with xubuntu. I have the extracted.rar file and I see the setup.exe file, what do I do now?
[17:34] <martinphone> wine?
[17:35] <Unit193> I remember bringing this up for you before: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=504
[17:40] <martinphone> i dont, but thanks
[17:41] <Unit193> Hope you have one of the older versions...
[17:45] <martinphone> version means sim city's or wine's?
[17:45] <martinphone> I have wine 1.4
[17:48] <knome> martinphone, please try reading the table again. it's clear enough if you read the whole table
[17:51] <martinphone> i guess wine's, but I dont see anything that states it
[17:51] <martinphone> anyhow, it works
[17:52] <knome> martinphone, the columns are "version", "description", "rating", "wine version", "test results" and "comments". which version do you think "version" means?
[17:53] <knome> martinphone, please start paying attention to what you are being told.
[18:12] <MissVera> Question. I installed Xubuntu and everything went fine. It installed then loaded just fine. But, after i restarted my computer, now it doesnt boot up the system? Its just a cursor...
[18:14] <MissVera> No one? :(
[18:14] <knome> patience?
[18:14] <MissVera> you responded to that rather quickly..
[20:30] <chazor> hello all
[20:30] <chazor> i have a couple of questions im compleatly new to linux
[20:31] <chazor> i resently bought a laptop on craigslist older one 1.7 ghz and 448 mb ram how well will xubuntu run on it?
[20:33] <chazor> i have orderd a new prossesor and 4gb ram to upgrade the computer so i know that will run it
[20:33] <chazor> 2.2 ghz prossesor
[20:33] <chazor> my other question with some builds there is a way to run the live cd then if you like it install onto the hard drive
[20:34] <chazor> does xubuntu have this fuctionality
[20:34] <Unit193> Yes, but that's not a ton of ram to go on.
[20:35] <chazor> the 448 mb?
[20:36] <chazor> the laptop is running xp at the moment and im really tired of windows and to cheap for a mac
[20:36] <chazor> considering i paid 65 for the laptop
[20:38] <chazor> i wont somthing that has good suport and that will run well on this computer until i get the new prossesor and ram
[20:56] <Krasus> Hey, what can be wrong when i try to use live usb with xubuntu 12.04 on laptop and it freezes when the system loads ?
[21:07] <Myrtti> Krasus: did you check the MD5 sums? what graphics card do you use?
[21:08] <Krasus> Myrtti, it s old Acer aspire 3690
[21:08] <Krasus> with 512 ram
[21:09] <Krasus> so i would like to revive it with light distro but xubuntu install can't start
[21:25] <Krasus> ok to co lepsze lubuntu 12.04 czy mint 12 lxde?
[21:25] <Krasus> bo nie wiem co dac ?
[21:25] <Krasus> jak juz nie mam jak dac xubutnu 12.04 z lts bo sie zacina przy bootowaniu
[21:27] <Unit193> !pl
[21:27] <Myrtti> lright, let me look it up a bit
[21:28] <Myrtti> Krasus: what do you mean by freezing when system loads? at what point is that?
[21:31] <Krasus> Myrtti, it s when u get Xubuntu logo
[21:32] <Krasus> and this short line
[21:32] <Myrtti> before logging in?
[21:32] <Krasus> with white indicator going from left to rught
[21:32] <Krasus> y
[21:32] <Krasus> this indicator freezes and nothing there happens
[21:33] <Krasus> mb i will try to start lubuntu on this laptop
[21:33] <Myrtti> Krasus: you could try to change the boot options to include i915.modeset=1
[21:33] <Krasus> it s where ?
[21:34] <Unit193> Also may want to disable the splash, it'll tell you more info.
[21:34] <Krasus> trying to boot lubuntu 12.04 now
[21:34] <Krasus> to see if it freezes to
[21:36] <Krasus> it s the same it freezes or restart
[21:36] <Krasus> the mashine
[21:36] <Myrtti> Krasus: when you reboot the machine, press shift key to get to the Grub loader, then, if I remember correctly you press e to get to edit it
[21:36] <GoodbyeEarl> good evening
[21:36] <Unit193> Howdy GoodbyeEarl.
[21:36] <Unit193> e does edit the line, yes.
[21:37] <GoodbyeEarl> hey fellows, it has been some weeks that i'm facing some troubles with the sound of my xubuntu
[21:37] <GoodbyeEarl> sometimes it works and some it doesnt
[21:37] <GoodbyeEarl> I already installed all the packages posibles, i dont why it is happening
[21:38] <GoodbyeEarl> is it already happen to you?
[21:38] <Krasus> Myrtti, and then?
[21:40] <Myrtti> find the line that says splash, remove that and add i915.modeset=1 to the end. Someone should correct me if I'm wrong, I can't check from anywhere now.
[21:45] <GoodbyeEarl> no one??
[21:46] <gridcube_> care to repeat your problem GoodbyeEarl
[21:46] <gridcube_> ?
[21:47] <GoodbyeEarl> sure, well i have facing some problems with my audio
[21:47] <GoodbyeEarl> because some times it plays and some times it doesnt
[21:48] <pleia2> GoodbyeEarl: are you sure your hardware is working right? (also, might want to ask everyone in the channel, not just the "fellows" - Myrtti and I aren't "fellows")
[21:48] <gridcube_> GoodbyeEarl, where you here earlier with another nick
[21:48] <GoodbyeEarl> no the last time ive here was last month
[21:49] <GoodbyeEarl> not fellows? didnt understand
[21:51] <GoodbyeEarl> may i have to install some package?
[21:51] <pleia2> if it's working sometimes it sounds like everything is installed which should be installed
[21:52] <pleia2> do you find any pattern to when it works and when it doesn't?
[21:52] <GoodbyeEarl> no, because some times i'm listening to a song then when i change to another it simply stop to work
[21:53] <pleia2> you might want to try killing the pulseaudio process and starting it again, see if that helps
[21:53] <Krasus> Myrtti, with lubuntu it s the same
[21:53] <Krasus> the system freezes on bootloader
[21:53] <Krasus> i know that the machine is old
[21:53] <Krasus> but it s only a install
[21:53] <Myrtti> Krasus: did you try the bootloader change?
[21:53] <Krasus> don t know how to do it
[21:53] <Krasus> got a line called quite splash
[21:54] <Myrtti> you removed splash, and added i915.modeset=1 and saved?
[21:54] <Krasus> i will try it now
[21:54] <GoodbyeEarl> is it sudo killall pulseaudio?
[21:57] <Unit193> Did you try pulseaudio -k  ?
[22:00] <GoodbyeEarl> ?
[23:03] <m00se> ...


[11:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:12] <dscassel> Morning BluesKaj
[15:12] <BluesKaj> hey dscassel
[15:12]  * genii-around makes a pot of coffee, passes the mugs around, then goes back to work
[15:15] <dscassel> Thanks, genii-around :)
[15:21] <genii-around> Anytime, of course!