[00:57] <Ycarene> if I go to ossv4 do I just set all my apps to use oss?
[01:11] <charlie-tca> !oss
[01:22] <surreal7z> when you upgrade you system... for example, 10.10 to 11.04... do all of the programs that you have uninstalled from 10.10 come back?
[01:23] <charlie-tca> Not here
[01:23] <surreal7z> not here? :S
[01:24] <charlie-tca> When I upgrade, only the installed stuff upgrades, and the sometimes the new stuff gets added, but not the old stuff I removed
[01:24] <surreal7z> ok
[01:24] <surreal7z> thx! :)
[01:24] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[01:28] <skxx> so i'm running xubuntu 10.10 and i'm trying to get this printer installed.. it's an hp deskjet 1000.  i went to system -> printing and added a new printer.   it apparently recognized everything alright, and the system sees the printer
[01:28] <skxx> but nothing is showing up in the print queue and the jobs are just stacking up.
[01:29] <skxx> and the printer is just sitting there on it's lazy ass.
[01:29] <skxx> any ideas, folks?
[01:29] <charlie-tca> turned the printer on?
[01:29] <skxx> haha yeah it's on
[01:29] <skxx> the system sees it and all
[01:30] <charlie-tca> Try going into printer properties and printing a test page
[01:30] <charlie-tca> mine gave me an error until I got everything right
[01:31] <skxx> i did that before i came here, i'm not getting any errors but it keeps telling me that it's stacking up jobs
[01:32] <skxx> but nothing is showing up in the print queue
[01:32] <skxx> like, i click "print test page" and it says... printing test page as job 1.  then i click clean print heads and it's says "cleaning print heads as job 2"
[01:33] <skxx> brb gonna reboot and hope that fixes everything.
[01:34] <skxx> :p
[01:37] <skxx> so... no luck.
[03:26] <josh1> how can I make my sd memory card automount on boot without messing with fstab?
[03:27] <josh1> The card holds my music and I would like it automounted  so I don't have to re-add the music everytime the mount point changes
[03:29] <josh1> anybody here?
[09:29] <noaXess> a cusomter of mine has this problem: if he plugin a usb stick, the stick will be automounted as root... so the user has no access to the usb drive..
[09:29] <Sysi> what FS?
[09:30] <noaXess> Sysi: in USB.. wait.
[09:30] <noaXess> vfat
[09:32] <Sysi> what line "mount" gives for it? (for me rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,flush)
[09:34] <noaXess> Sysi: give mi a minute.. need to instal openssh-server..
[09:35] <noaXess> Sysi: /dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,noexec,nodev,sync,noatime,nodiratime)
[09:36] <noaXess> hm.. something wrong i think
[09:40] <noaXess> Sysi: i found a udev rules: 40-usbmount which points to /usr/share/usbmount/usbmount which needs the config file /etc/usbmount/usbmount.cfg.. and in this file i see: MOUNTOPTIONS="sync,noexec,nodev,noatime,nodiratime"
[09:40] <Sysi> i think rw,uid=1000,gid=1000 are needed
[09:41] <noaXess> Sysi: this files are from the usbmount package.. do you have this installed?
[09:41] <Sysi> no
[09:42] <noaXess> Sysi: should i remove it?..
[09:42] <UBuxuBU> an 8.9 earthquake has struck the pacific coastal basin causing a 9 meter psunami to destry the coast of japan.
[09:42] <Sysi> i'm not sure, maybe
[09:43] <UBuxuBU> residents of hawaii need to seek high ground
[09:43] <Sysi> UBuxuBU: kinda offtopic
[09:44] <Sysi> noaXess: i'm not sure but HAL maybe deals with mounting
[09:44] <UBuxuBU> don't worry sysi, finland appears to be safe...
[09:45] <noaXess> Sysi: i will try
[18:21] <Guest89962> !time
[18:40] <johnny_X> .
[18:48] <johnny_X> What's the best Ristretto replacement app for Xubuntu 10.04?
[18:50] <charlie-tca> We still use ristretto in Natty, I don't know that there is "best replacement" for it.
[18:51] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: I like comix, but I have a specific use case for it
[18:51] <johnny_X> I see...  I find Ristretto very buggy to use as a daily "heavy use" app!
[18:53] <charlie-tca> I would suggest trying other applications, to see what works best for you.
[18:54] <johnny_X> Well, I'm thinking about eye of gnome, but I'm not sure it will work well on Xfce or not?!
[18:56] <TheSheep> all applications will work, some will just pull in extra dependencies
[18:58] <johnny_X> I see!  Ok, I'll try that app...  I would still need to know any other photo apps that works  as well! :-)
[18:58] <TheSheep> johnny_X: you can do a search in the package manager
[18:59] <johnny_X> ok...
[19:00] <ochosi> johnny_X: i use geeqie
[19:00] <johnny_X> I needed user info for the particular photo apps that works best!! :-)
[19:00] <johnny_X> Geegie, ok, any good?
[19:00] <ochosi> yeah, i like it a lot
[19:00] <ochosi> it's a fork of gqview if you know that one
[19:01] <johnny_X> I see, GQview's for the KDE isn't it?
[19:02] <johnny_X> Anyways, that will get me started...  Thanks all for info & all! :-)
[19:52] <paul__> hello, is it possible t o turn off the wastebasket so files are deleted straight away please?
[19:53] <Sysi> remove with shift Del
[19:54] <paul__> i removed it from the desktop...does that mean files will be deleted straight away?
[19:55] <Sysi> shift delete removes directly, without using thrash
[19:56] <paul__> oh sorry, yes i see...but can the waste basket be switched off?
[19:56] <Sysi> not really
[19:57] <paul__> ok, maybe some script to delete stuff on exit then? I'm short of space you see
[20:00] <paul__> thanks for the help :D
[23:51] <z0rk> hello there?


[22:15] <munroe> I'm having a bit of trouble configuring mid to work. I've got an IDOT ce260, which is pretty much the same as an everex cloudbook ce260
[22:15] <munroe> The touchscreen doesn't work, and the resolution isn't right.
[22:22] <munroe> I'm thinking about just wiping this partition, and using windows.
[22:38] <persia> munroe, What resolution is the ce260?  Also, what video hardware?
[23:08] <munroe> 800x600, the video hardware is onboard. It's a via cx-7 chipset I believe for the board
[23:10] <persia> OK.  How isn't the resolution right?
[23:12] <munroe> Half the icons were off the screen. The touchscreen is the biggest part though, I really need that to work
[23:12] <munroe> based on screenshots anyway
[23:12] <persia> Which touchscreen does that use?
[23:12] <persia> Also, which screenshot were you referencing?
[23:20] <munroe> Sorry about that, I can't quite figure out what touchscreen it is. The configure touch screen program under accessories claims evtouch doesn't support my touchscreen
[23:21] <munroe> I poked through the lshal output, but I couldn't figure out which one was my touchscreen
[23:22] <persia> You might try installing the microtouch, mutouch, or tslib drivers.r
[23:22] <munroe> I'll give that a whirl, thanks.
[23:22] <munroe> I'll let you know.
[23:23] <munroe> I picked up this little netbook yesterday. It's pretty slick, has a voip phone built in
[23:23] <persia> The ideacom touchscreen also seems fairly popular, but its a closed-source driver.  Celtiore wrote up some instructions (http://forum.pocketables.net/showthread.php?p=14163), but I'm not sure if they work with intrepid.
[23:25] <munroe> 300 Canadian down from 500
[23:44] <munroe> Are there any calibration tools outside of the calibrate_touchscreen? It's not working for me. It's still complaining about the evtouch
[23:47] <persia> calibrate_touchscreen only works for evtouch.  If you're using one of the other drivers, you'll have to calibrate differently.
[23:47] <persia> There's usually some documentation in /usr/share/doc/${package}/ about how to do that.
[23:48] <persia> I'm heading off, but good luck getting it all to work right.
[23:51] <munroe> thanks


[06:05] <mshooshtari> Hello
[17:31] <lool> zumbi: -Os doesn't work with eglibc itself, but not to build e.g. chromium
[17:31] <lool> zumbi: ISTR it's due to assumption on symbol visibility or something
[17:35] <zumbi> lool: aurelien told me (when migration to eglibc) that it was exposed to support -Os
[17:35] <zumbi> s/exposed/supposed to support/
[17:35]  * zumbi has never tried
[17:40] <lool> Oh yeah, indeed, eglibc probably fixes that over glibc anyway
[18:45] <asac> armin76: works for me with O3 ... only strict-aliasing is a prob in v8 on arm as it seems
[18:46] <asac> gcc 44 works too (tested locally)
[19:13] <cwillu_at_work> question:  are there updated/trunk/newer-than-febuary09 libpixman debs available anywhere?
[19:20]  * cwillu_at_work looks at http://www.emdebian.org/grip/search.php?package=libpixman-1-0&arch=&distro=sid
[20:27]  * cwillu_at_work is curious about the state of neon accelerated blitting
[20:27] <cwillu_at_work> bug #385553 has some details, but ends with a cliff-hanger
[20:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 385553 in pixman "Integrate NEON optimisations for armel" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385553


[00:23] <kingair_six> hello, I have a problem with the Edubuntu Add On CD. When trying to install the included programs with Synaptic, it starts downloading and while it installing it produces an error saying that there is a hash missmatch occuring with pretty much all the programs. Any idea as to what the solution is?
[00:34] <ogra> kingair_six, thats on a standard ubuntu hardy install ?
[00:34] <ogra> (the addon requires ubuntu hardy to be installed already)
[00:45] <kingair_six> ogra, yes, that is the case, ubuntu hardy is installed and running
[00:45] <ogra> which programs did you try to install ?
[00:46] <ogra> and are you sure its the final addon CD (the released version)
[00:49] <kingair_six> I tried to install pretty much everything included in the package and I assume it is since I got it from edubuntu.org
[00:53] <ogra> hmm, it was pretty extensively tested
[00:54] <ogra> so it should actually work ... all dependencies the packages need are either installed or on the CD if both is hardy ... the only explanation i have would be that the CD is not the latest
[00:54] <kingair_six> I am just wondering whether I did something wrong since this is the first time i ever used linux
[00:55] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardyClassroomServer
[00:55] <kingair_six> in this case I am currently downloading the iso again from a different server, even though i only just downloaded it last night originally
[00:55] <ogra> see the second paragraph "Installing the Edubuntu Addon CD"
[00:56] <kingair_six> yea, I did all those steps in order
[00:57] <ogra> hmm, thats very strange
[00:57] <JapyDooge> good luck on using linux then kingair_six :) its not always giving errors though :p
[00:57] <JapyDooge> but indeed strange
[00:57] <ogra> heh, yeah
[00:58] <JapyDooge> why the addon and not a fresh Edubuntu install?
[00:58] <ogra> there is no edubuntu install anymore
[00:58] <ogra> with hardy the edubuntu desktop moved to an addon CD
[00:58] <kingair_six> yes, I was wondering about that while going through the documentation cause somewhere there's still a screenshot from an edubuntu install
[00:58] <ogra> and the ltsp bits from the former edubuntu install CD moved into ubuntu
[00:59] <ogra> well, you can stll get older releases
[00:59] <kingair_six> japydooge, i'm sure linux is going to give me more freedom and fun when developing websites, windows is just not satisfactory any more
[00:59] <ogra> dapper, feisty and gutsy are all supported and have installable edubuntu CDs
[01:00] <JapyDooge> ooh didnt know that ogra
[01:00] <JapyDooge> so in fact you can install an older version and do a dist-upgrade?
[01:00] <ogra> yup, that would work
[01:01] <JapyDooge> kingair_six: i installed it with that in mind also 5 years ago :) and i never really looked back
[01:01] <ogra> (even though not dist-upgrade, use update-manager ;) )
[01:02] <JapyDooge> only for some gaming, but after CodeWeavers came with CrossOver:Games (a commercial version of wine - to make games believe they run on windows), i'm able to play all the games i like on linux (Ubuntu Hardy 8.04 for me atm) also.
[01:02] <kingair_six> @japydooge: well, unfortunately I will probably need windows for my beloved flightsimulators, but that's gonna be it...
[01:02] <JapyDooge> its not free, but having a second pc for gaming is way more expensive
[01:02] <JapyDooge> hmm, microsoft flight simulator?
[01:02] <kingair_six> yes,
[01:03] <JapyDooge> X?
[01:03] <kingair_six> soon i'm gonna be looking for Dx10 support
[01:03] <kingair_six> indeed
[01:03] <JapyDooge> ah
[01:03] <kingair_six> @orga: i'm gonna try the new iso first
[01:03] <ogra> ok
[01:04] <JapyDooge> http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=2633  <<  not yet :p
[01:04] <ogra> well, you could have a look at flightgear
[01:04] <JapyDooge> flightgear is nice yea
[01:05] <ogra> its surely not as advanced as the MS one but should be an alternative if you are to lazy to reboot :)
[01:05] <JapyDooge> way lesser quality in graphics, but fun to use, and where it's open source u can help the community on making it more complete
[01:05] <JapyDooge> adding planes for instance if you are not a coder, or making nice textures, writing manuals, translating, etc
[01:05] <JapyDooge> i like that the most about linux
[01:06] <JapyDooge> i participate in working on some applications i really like and everyone can bring in its own ideas
[01:06] <kingair_six> i've done that with a flight sim before
[01:06] <kingair_six> unfortunately never finished our project, due to lack of time
[01:07] <JapyDooge> well this is already a flight sim so the first step is there hehe
[01:07] <kingair_six> the reason why I'm going to stick with FSX though is that i'm looking for the "as real as it gets" factor
[01:07] <JapyDooge> http://www.flightgear.org/ for some info :)
[01:07] <JapyDooge> ah
[01:07] <kingair_six> hm, i'm just a 17 year old kid... not a coder
[01:08] <JapyDooge> yea then you're probably stuck at windows for the moment on that part
[01:08] <JapyDooge> i'm a coder neither, except for some html/php and some basic C/C++. but i did some work on maintaining webpages, writing manuals, translating parts, making screenshots, reporting bugs, making textures, etc :)
[01:09] <kingair_six> well, php, html etc. i don't consider real coding or would you say?
[01:09]  * ogra thought 17yo kids are the better coders
[01:09] <kingair_six> they are?
[01:09] <JapyDooge> although i think these graphics are nice for example: http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/Link/picture-0003.html
[01:09] <JapyDooge> nope, php and html isn't the hardcore coding :p
[01:10] <kingair_six> hm, i've done thisn that in terms of developement, websites with php, mysql etc --> powerofflight.de.vu , usaltgen.de ... textures for flight sims and so on, but other than that I've never attempted to learn java or so
[01:10] <kingair_six> looks alright
[01:11] <JapyDooge> u should check out this gallery: http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/  maybe its a nice 'second flight sim' :p
[01:11] <kingair_six> yeah, i usually say "scripting"...
[01:11] <kingair_six> hm, i wonder whether my gliding simulator would run on linux... condor competition soaring simulator...
[01:12] <kingair_six> should google it..
[01:12] <JapyDooge> i really like this one: http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/Link/A-10-KNID-09.html
[01:13] <kingair_six> a10.. yeah, nice plane
[01:13] <JapyDooge> shiny: http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/Link/Blackbird-chute_1.html !! :P
[01:13] <kingair_six> how advanced is the 3d support in linux?
[01:13] <kingair_six> that one definetely is nice...
[01:13] <ogra> depends on your hardware
[01:13] <kingair_six> no question
[01:13] <kingair_six> hm, so basically whatever I got, linux will do it?
[01:13] <ogra> no
[01:14] <ogra> it really depends on the graphics card you have
[01:14] <ogra> generally best 3D support is on intel cards
[01:14] <ogra> which is typically not what gamers use
[01:14] <JapyDooge> i have nice support for my ATi card trough
[01:14] <JapyDooge> and the nVidia card in my other pc is working nice also
[01:14] <ogra> but intel releases all HW specs so you can write proper drivers
[01:14] <JapyDooge> but i'm using restricted (non-free) drivers for those
[01:15] <ogra> ati starts to follow up on that slowly
[01:15] <JapyDooge> well, they are free in terms of paying for them, but not open source
[01:15] <ogra> since they are owned by amd at leats
[01:15] <ogra> *least
[01:15] <JapyDooge> the cpu bakers know whats good for support :p
[01:15] <kingair_six> i'll see what happens when i'm back on my own pc in two months.... linux is the first thing going back on there^^
[01:15] <ogra> nvidia has surely the most performant 3d HW but it can be a hell wrt drivers
[01:16] <JapyDooge> true
[01:16] <JapyDooge> older hardware mostly works better through
[01:17] <JapyDooge> the driver support i mean
[01:17] <ogra> well
[01:17] <ogra> nvidia is different there
[01:17] <JapyDooge> lol partly true yea
[01:17] <JapyDooge> GeForce series are okay
[01:17] <ogra> they drop support as they like in newer drivers
[01:17] <ogra> yeah
[01:17] <JapyDooge> then theres a kinda a black hole
[01:18] <JapyDooge> and the 7xxx and 8xxx cards are better supported nowadays
[01:18] <kingair_six> talking about drivers, the reason why i put on ubuntu here last night was cause windows was screwed and would not support my atheros 5006x, guess what, linux does and gets this machine online after 6 monts of battle with windows... should'a thought of that earlier
[01:18] <JapyDooge> but on this machine i'm able to run a lot of (windows) games including World of Warcraft, Half-life, Counter Strike, Unreal Tournament G.O.T.Y. and 2003 and way more
[01:19] <JapyDooge> lol nice kingair_six
[01:19] <JapyDooge> sometimes i think driver support on linux is better than windows's one.
[01:19] <JapyDooge> when i install windows
[01:19] <JapyDooge> i also have to install lots of drivers that came with my pc
[01:19] <JapyDooge> some of them not even working good
[01:19] <kingair_six> as i said, linux didn't even ask, it just WORKED!, just as it says on the website... compliments here!
[01:20] <kingair_six> i cant tell you, i was ready to kill this pc...
[01:20] <kingair_six> i was picking viruses to make it look fun for my parents too, this was just a desperate action;)
[01:21] <JapyDooge> when i installed 8.04 on this laptop (i did a clean install becouse i upgraded a few times on older distro's and my harddisk was a mess), it booted without any problem and i directly had wireless and sound. a nice box popped up telling me that for better 3D support, i should enable a driver from ATi itself (thats closed sourcecode so not enabled by default) and 3 clicks later i was all done
[01:22] <JapyDooge> http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/Link/multiplayer-map.html   ooooh google maps powered! nice
[01:22] <JapyDooge> http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v1.0/Link/Seneca-SingleEngineApproachEDHL.html  and the night scenes are great
[01:23] <JapyDooge> some buttons need repainting or retexturing trough
[01:23] <kingair_six> yeah, looks real nice
[01:24] <JapyDooge> i never liked flight sims much
[01:24] <JapyDooge> but this one is installed by now :p
[01:25] <kingair_six> to explain my crazyness about flight sims, I really need a substitution for real flying in the winter ;) otherwise the addiction kicks in too much^^
[01:25] <JapyDooge> well im gone for some sleep, its 2:25AM here, and i have to be at my work at 8:00AM :p
[01:25] <JapyDooge> lol :p
[01:25] <kingair_six> wher're u?
[01:25] <kingair_six> europe?
[01:25] <JapyDooge> Netherlands
[01:25] <JapyDooge> u're in Germany i think :p
[01:25] <kingair_six> oha... i'm from germany..
[01:25] <ogra> JapyDooge, oh, same TZ here
[01:26] <JapyDooge> where u from ogra? :p
[01:26] <ogra> hallo kingair_six
[01:26] <kingair_six> yea, i am, how could u tell
[01:26] <ogra> germany as well
[01:26] <kingair_six> oha,
[01:26] <JapyDooge> kingair_six: u liked me to some webpages u created before, remember?
[01:26] <kingair_six> european connection here... well, i'm in the states currently
[01:26] <JapyDooge> those where pretty much german :p
[01:26] <kingair_six> oh, right
[01:26] <kingair_six> kinda, yeah
[01:27] <JapyDooge> haben sie ferien? (i know i did'nt write that right, but well it's been 10 years since my last german lessons)
[01:27] <kingair_six> that's alright;) i couldn't speak any dutch
[01:27] <JapyDooge> lol :p
[01:27] <ogra> JapyDooge, thats perfectly right
[01:27] <JapyDooge> ah well u're able to say 'hallo'  :p
[01:27] <JapyDooge> it was right? o.O
[01:27] <kingair_six> yeah
[01:28] <JapyDooge> well maybe i forgot a capital on 'sie' > 'Sie' ?
[01:28] <kingair_six> hm, ogra, where about in germany?
[01:28] <JapyDooge> never got that part of your language
[01:28] <kingair_six> ... i never do that
[01:28] <JapyDooge> oh lol
[01:28] <ogra> kassel
[01:28] <kingair_six> i doesn't make sense to me either
[01:28] <kingair_six> alright... cologne
[01:28] <JapyDooge> one of you ever been on holiday in the netherlands?
[01:29] <kingair_six> sure
[01:29] <JapyDooge> where? :p
[01:29] <kingair_six> i don't remember, i was 6 then :)
[01:29] <JapyDooge> lol
[01:29] <ogra> kingair_six, i lived in blankenheim for the last 4 years
[01:30] <ogra> and in cologne before
[01:30] <kingair_six> hm, gotta love the rheinland... karneval is just awesome
[01:30] <JapyDooge> ah well i could have guessed that. i wonder if there are people over there that never been on holiday at our coast :p
[01:30]  * ogra was working for "ish" for some years
[01:30] <kingair_six> cable provider, right?
[01:30] <ogra> yup
[01:30] <kingair_six> hm, we were doing boating, my parents, anyway
[01:30] <JapyDooge> ah
[01:31] <kingair_six> over here in the USA it's funny, people all ask about holland cause they figure smoking is legal:D
[01:31] <JapyDooge> well i used to live with my parents in Zeeland, near the cost at the islands (south-west)
[01:31] <JapyDooge> lol :D
[01:31] <kingair_six> and they're like: isnt holland in germany? .... well duah?!?
[01:31] <JapyDooge> ah well they're working on a plan to make smoking weed and so legal over here, so not that strange haha
[01:32] <ogra> well, in canada and australia as well
[01:32] <JapyDooge> where a small country can be big in :p
[01:32] <ogra> not many people know that ...
[01:32] <JapyDooge> true ogra
[01:32] <kingair_six> hm, certainly i didn't, but i'm not interested either
[01:33] <JapyDooge> but well i'm now living closer to Rotterdam with my girlfriend and child since urrm, 4 months or so :)
[01:33] <JapyDooge> had a nice change to get a nice job over there
[01:33] <JapyDooge> and now i have it :p
[01:33] <kingair_six> wtg!
[01:34] <JapyDooge> one of you ever heard of 'Xella'/'Ytong'/'Hebel' or 'Silka'? those are big company's in Germany
[01:34] <ogra> sure
[01:34] <kingair_six> i've got 2 months left here and then I go back home...
[01:34] <kingair_six> nope
[01:35] <kingair_six> ytong, yea
[01:35] <ogra> foamed concrete
[01:35] <JapyDooge> i'm head network management for the netherlands there now :)
[01:35] <JapyDooge> true
[01:35] <kingair_six> yup, good to make stuff out of with a saw^^
[01:35] <JapyDooge> xella is the main company, silka, ytong and hebel are 'daughters'
[01:35] <JapyDooge> lol true
[01:36] <kingair_six> hm.. boyscouts experience^^
[01:36] <JapyDooge> haha
[01:36]  * ogra had that too ....
[01:36] <ogra> and i'm a child of the 70s
[01:37] <JapyDooge> heh, theres not even one update since i installed Hardy 8.04, how strange! its already 4 days old \o/
[01:37]  * JapyDooge is now 22
[01:37] <ogra> ytong art .... timeless
[01:37] <ogra> 38
[01:37] <kingair_six> definetely
[01:37] <JapyDooge> i came in there as a half newbie, they toke me instead of someone straight from school because of my linux experience
[01:38] <JapyDooge> after two months the 'head network management' came free and they let me took it o,o
[01:38] <kingair_six> hm, that sounds promising
[01:39] <JapyDooge> yea
[01:39] <JapyDooge> i had loads of luck
[01:39] <ogra> same here
[01:39] <kingair_six> talking linux again, is there a restriction on the visual effects setting that goes by hardware or so? i'd like to activate some and it won't let me
[01:39]  * ogra didnt learn anythig he could put up a piece of paper for
[01:39] <kingair_six> i still got two years of school, just looking
[01:40] <JapyDooge> my parents kicked me out of the house ^^ so i started living with my girlfriend the other day, and i gone look for a new job in that region. it was the first thing i found, and i was the first one that reacted on the advertisement
[01:40] <JapyDooge> there were over 600 reactions in total, how much luck can you get :p
[01:40] <kingair_six> that sounds awesome.... i'm shooting for a 380/7000 chance for my favorite job with lufthansa^^
[01:40] <ogra> dropped off school in 12th grade witout finishing ... started a job at an internet provider around the corner ...
[01:41] <JapyDooge> kingair_six: maybe you are using default drivers that wont allow those, try System > Management (i think, localized version) > Hardware Drivers to enable them, enable and reboot and it should work
[01:41] <kingair_six> hm, i guess i don't need to add that i'm currently on my exchange year in the usa... 11th grade
[01:41] <ogra> led departments inbetween (at ish and the company before) ...
[01:41] <kingair_six> alright, thx
[01:41] <JapyDooge> that kinda sounds like my story ogra
[01:41] <ogra> well, and four years ago i met that shuttleworth guy ... :)
[01:43] <ogra> i never really had any need for any piece of paper in my life
[01:43] <JapyDooge> i did application development, but that stopped at school becouse there where to less students. i didnt continue on the regular part so i dropped out without any piece of paper except for some worthless certificates. worked at an ISP callcenter for 8 months, then worked a year for myself as freelance programmer on Visual Basic .NET 2003. after that i worked in a computer store service van (dont ask :P) and became a network manager at xe
[01:43] <JapyDooge> lla lol
[01:43] <kingair_six> hm.... lufthansa is gonna do a screening, i just need my brain and hope it's good enough, if not i'll need to pay 100k for the license
[01:43] <JapyDooge> woah
[01:44] <JapyDooge> nice amount
[01:44] <kingair_six> hm... talking about a student loan
[01:44] <JapyDooge> i dreamed about being a pilot when i was a kid
[01:44] <JapyDooge> until i found linux
[01:44] <JapyDooge> lol
[01:44]  * ogra crosses fingers for kingair_six
[01:44] <kingair_six> thanks;)
[01:44] <kingair_six> hm, i dreamed about it until 2.5 years ago, now i got my gliders license and am completely into it
[01:45] <JapyDooge> ooh so installing linux, you already prepare for not being able to pay windows licences anymore huh?
[01:45] <JapyDooge> but good luck yea :o
[01:45] <kingair_six> pay? ;)
[01:45] <JapyDooge> hehe ^^
[01:45] <kingair_six> thx guys
[01:45] <JapyDooge> 'lent'
[01:45] <kingair_six> borrow
[01:45] <kingair_six> basically
[01:46] <JapyDooge> hmm yea was looking for that word :p
[01:46] <kingair_six> .... share is probably the best word
[01:46] <ogra> tsk
[01:46] <JapyDooge> im still borrowing my dad's chainsaw
[01:46] <JapyDooge> for urrm
[01:46] <JapyDooge> a year now
[01:46] <JapyDooge> i guess he doesnt use it that much
[01:46]  * ogra didnt touch any windows since 2000
[01:47] <JapyDooge> i did for gaming until last two months
[01:47] <ogra> and even that only because i had to
[01:47] <JapyDooge> when CrossOver Games was released to the public
[01:47] <kingair_six> hm, so i guess my destiny is predecided now with having started on linux!? ;)
[01:47] <ogra> heh, might be :)
[01:47] <JapyDooge> oh and at work offcourse, but my desktop is running 8.04 there and is in the active directory using Likewise
[01:48] <JapyDooge> heh
[01:48] <JapyDooge> on next release
[01:48] <JapyDooge> we need a install screen saying:
[01:48] <JapyDooge> 'knock knock'
[01:48] <JapyDooge> 'wake up <username>'
[01:48] <JapyDooge> 'your destiny starts now'
[01:48] <JapyDooge> \o/
[01:48] <ogra> haha
[01:49] <kingair_six> i've got this problem figured out for myself, in 3 days i'm gonna get my 4gb flash drive and this is gonna take portable linux so i don't have to put up with windows at school any more
[01:49] <kingair_six> :D
[01:49] <kingair_six> way to go... that's what we need
[01:49] <JapyDooge> now hope usb boot is enabled
[01:49] <JapyDooge> and the proxy server does'nt use pass trough authentication
[01:50] <kingair_six> oh, it's gonna be running "in"windows, so that shoudl deal with tha
[01:50] <kingair_six> t
[01:50] <kingair_six> can't reboot pcs at school without detention^^
[01:50] <JapyDooge> at work i had HP Thin Clients with internal usb ports (like if you want to put in a thumbdrive by default)
[01:50] <JapyDooge> a virtual machine? :)
[01:50] <ogra> the classmate PC from intel has that too
[01:51] <JapyDooge> those usb ports are set to bootable by default
[01:51] <ogra> yup
[01:51] <kingair_six> hm, i found that thing called "Damned Small Linux"
[01:51] <kingair_six>  that oughta do it
[01:51] <JapyDooge> DSL <3
[01:51] <ogra> yeah, thats a mode where ubunu lacks
[01:51] <ogra> *ubuntu
[01:51] <ogra> bt that will change :)
[01:52] <JapyDooge> so i made a usb stick (16mb lol, we had a few dozens old ones with the company name of them lying around) with initrd, syslinux on it, and put ThinStation linux in it
[01:52] <ogra> *but
[01:52] <JapyDooge> now they boot up with a nice fullscreen tux <3 and then connect to our Citrix-servers automatically without configuration
[01:52] <ogra> why didnt you use ltsp ? :)
[01:52] <JapyDooge> we need the citrix client for those darn windows addicted users ;(
[01:52] <ogra> yeah indeed :(
[01:53] <JapyDooge> so a new HP Thin Client comes in, one screw > usbstick in > one screw > ready for use!
[01:53] <JapyDooge> in less than a minute
[01:53] <JapyDooge> thats what i call a timesaver
[01:53] <JapyDooge> regular configuration of those took about a hour, and they where booting really slow and users had to login 3 times
[01:54] <JapyDooge> now all other locations are using 'my' solution too, except for germany, becouse they sold the whole IT-department to IBM there
[01:54] <ogra> yay for outsourcing :)
[01:54] <JapyDooge> they where trying to make it cheaper, but in fact it had become way more expensive and less flexible
[01:55] <JapyDooge> adding a user on a lotus notes domain takes them 3 weeks lol
[01:55] <kingair_six> hm, that's gonna be a challenge.. how to get an iso on the flash drive?
[01:55] <ogra> heh
[01:55] <JapyDooge> before they sold it, we were able to make them ourself within 5 mins
[01:55] <JapyDooge> kingair_six so to make it bootable like a cd u mean?
[01:55] <ogra> kingair_six, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[01:56] <JapyDooge> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_to_a_USB_Flash_Drive for DSL
[01:56] <kingair_six> hm, i thought burning it to a cd and then doing.... hm, something to it?
[01:56] <JapyDooge> and now im really going to bed, my girlfriend 's asking where i am lol
[01:56] <ogra> heh, same here
[01:56] <kingair_six> alright, here we go, i need to practice researching^^ u guys are much faster at it
[01:56] <JapyDooge> lol
[01:56] <kingair_six> kk, appreciate the help, thanks again!
[01:57] <JapyDooge> we know the power of the big G
[01:57] <JapyDooge> :p
[01:57] <JapyDooge> some ppl put 'oogle' after it
[01:58] <ogra> kingair_six, i work with such stuff all day :) that link was in my bookmarks
[01:58]  * JapyDooge << Google-addict
[01:59] <JapyDooge> i even have a Google-widget on the 'desktop' of my phone! :p
[01:59] <kingair_six> well, i appreciate google, but it seems i need to practice
[01:59] <kingair_six> lol
[01:59] <JapyDooge> hehe
[02:00] <JapyDooge> well when im using a english google i never find where i look for, or not that fast. on a dutch one i find it in seconds, even when i search using englidh keywords for an english page... should be a grammar thing
[02:01] <JapyDooge> so maybe http://www.google.de/search?q=dsl%20usb%20boot will do it for you :p
[02:01] <JapyDooge> heh
[02:01] <JapyDooge> that url worked \o/
[02:01] <Japy|zZz> ill be online for a few more mins
[02:02] <Japy|zZz> but no guarantee that i'll be able to reply or see what you type as my eye caps get kinda heavy :p
[02:02]  * ogra smokes a last cigarette
[02:02] <Japy|zZz> i just did that :p
[02:02] <Japy|zZz> what brand?
[02:02] <ogra> rolled
[02:03] <Japy|zZz> oh
[02:03] <ogra> ascot tobacco
[02:03] <Japy|zZz> Lucky Strike here \o/
[02:03] <Japy|zZz> sometimes rolled, sometimes not
[02:03] <ogra> has a lot dutch text on it :)
[02:03] <Japy|zZz> haha
[02:05]  * Japy|zZz << walks up the stairs carrying a laptop, two bags, cola, keys, bunch of games, phone, phone charger, clothes and my battery loader and usb mouse :p so brb
[02:05] <ogra> get a backpack dude
[02:05] <Japy|zZz> rofl, its just two stairs :p
[02:05] <ogra> :)
[02:05] <Japy|zZz> oh i buyed a book
[02:06] <Japy|zZz> titled "help, i made my wife pregnant"
[02:06] <Japy|zZz> lol
[02:06] <Japy|zZz> well brb :p
[02:06] <Japy|zZz> almost forgot that book >.<
[02:06] <ogra> heh
[02:11] <Japy|zZz> back
[04:21] <friarjack> hello all
[04:22] <friarjack> is there any way to burn a live cd (or dvd) version of edubuntu?
[04:50] <testdog> hello
[04:51] <testdog> sounds like a rhetorical question, but if I'd like to install the Edubuntu LTSP Classroom server (v8.04), is that installed from the Desktop Alternate CD or the Server Alternate CD?
[04:51] <testdog> doesn't say on this page:https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardyClassroomServer
[04:51] <testdog> it just says ""you need the Ubuntu alternate CD for setting up LTSP"
[05:44] <testdog> hello
[05:45] <testdog> Like to install a Edubuntu Classroom Server https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardyClassroomServer   but it's not really clear if you install LTSP from the Desktop Edition or if you need to install the server edition.
[05:46] <testdog>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
[05:46] <testdog> Both these pages just say "Get the ISO"
[05:47] <testdog>  I know it's called "Classroom Server" so I would assume you need the server edition of Ubuntu to install the Edubuntu Thin client classroom server, but not really sure because it is not specifically stated
[05:51]  * HedgeMage peeks in
[05:54] <HedgeMage> testdog:  it says to use the alternate install CD, not the server CD
[05:56] <testdog> thanks
[05:56] <testdog> So not the alternate Sever CD?
[05:57] <testdog> thanks for the help
[05:58] <HedgeMage> that is what it says -- I haven't tried it, so I can't say from personal experience
[05:58] <testdog> so there isn't an alternate Server CD?
[05:58] <testdog> that's what it looks like..
[05:58] <testdog> thanks for clearing that up
[06:04] <HedgeMage> np
[07:00] <edutor> Hi, everyone!
[09:33] <Nubae> ahh jeez... first day of hardy and my system is freezing every couple minutes without reason
[09:37] <Nubae> seems to be firefox is the culprit
[09:37] <Nubae> uses massive amounts of cpu time for each user
[09:39] <Nubae> can't be right, thought firefox 3 was supposed to make things more stable, not less
[09:40] <Nubae> I uninstalled gnome-watchdog and suddenly my system has gone from using 25% cpu time to 2%
[09:40] <Nubae> not compatible with hardy for sure
[09:45] <Nubae> ok, under 0.5% now, gnome-watchdog is definitly not compatile with hardy
[09:48] <johnny> sure it has to do wit hardy..
[09:48] <johnny> more likely with gnome 2.22 itself
[09:48] <johnny> check your mounts
[09:48] <johnny> i bet you have like a bazillion /home/user/.gvfs mounts
[09:48] <johnny> one for each user
[09:48] <johnny> i've just been using a script to pkill -u ${user}
[09:49] <johnny> but that doesn't unmount the gvfs fuse mounts
[09:49] <johnny> so now the script has to do umount /home/${user}/.gvfs
[09:50] <johnny> this is not really a problem for single user systems, but for ltsp, it is not so good
[09:50] <Nubae> yeah have lots of .gvfs mounts, but before they'd be in tmpfs
[09:50] <johnny> huh?
[09:50] <johnny> you mean gnome-vfs ?
[09:50] <Nubae> before
[09:50] <Nubae> yeah
[09:50] <johnny> that's not the same thing
[09:50] <johnny> gvfs is new
[09:51] <johnny> they were not mounts before
[09:51] <Nubae> yeah I thought it was a move from gnome-vfs to gvfs
[09:51] <johnny> just temp directories
[09:51] <johnny> now they are mounts due to fuse integration
[09:51] <Nubae> ah, well, haven't noticed any problems with that yet
[09:52] <johnny> well.. all my terms are anonymous, so it was easy to notice
[09:52] <Nubae> just gnomewatchdog going crazy
[09:52] <johnny> since i kill all the directories are night
[09:52] <Nubae> guess that makes sense
[09:52] <Nubae> you could also set up a cron to restart the server each morning
[09:52] <Nubae> ;-)
[09:52] <johnny> the server is a desktop
[09:52] <johnny> and talks to our POS inventory server
[09:53] <johnny> one day i'll get another machine
[09:53] <johnny> we're just a poor bookstore coffeehouse
[09:53] <Nubae> ah... how many users?
[09:53] <johnny> only 4
[09:53] <Nubae> I normally have 150 :-)
[09:53] <Nubae> so every little thing is noticable quickly
[09:54] <johnny> flash still sucks
[09:54] <johnny> i haven't tried the hack in /etc/adobe yet
[09:54] <Nubae> yeah, better than gnash though
[09:54] <johnny> have you heard of this hack?
[09:54] <johnny> i heard it is good for ltsp
[09:54] <Nubae> I was running 64 bit with gnash before and it was much worse
[09:55] <Nubae> cpu time was much more of an issue, but still, its the first day with hardy in production, so we'll see
[09:55] <johnny>  there's some setting you can put there that doesn't make much difference on rendering, but is supposed to work better over the network
[09:56] <johnny> yes.. cpu time.. :(
[09:56] <johnny> little things spiking the CPU to 100% don't help either
[09:56] <johnny> since the machine is dual core
[09:56] <Nubae> yeah godda love those graphs with 2 lines going up and down continuously
[09:57] <Nubae> what's the /etc/adobe hack?
[09:57] <johnny> i heard it mentioned in #ltsp ..
[09:59] <johnny> this is the file /etc/adobe/mms.cfg
[10:00] <johnny> i can't seem to find what the setting is called tho
[10:01] <johnny> maybe somebody else knows :(
[18:13] <niklaus> i've downloaded the isos for hardy, but my cdrom/dvd has been spoilt. Can i use the isos to upgrade ? i have mount the isos
[19:45] <paolob> Hi guys! I've just installed the 8.04 ltsp server (not upgrading it) and I'm booting the client. However, the sound of the client comes out in the server's speakers. What should I do in order to get the client's sound from its speakers? thank you!
[19:56] <musashi> is this channel related at all to the edubuntu school support project? I was recently made an admin of that project but no one gave me any info on what that means or why. I have received two requests for new members that I haven't acted on as I don't know what I should do. can anyone enlighten me? thanks.
[19:57]  * musashi is https://edge.launchpad.net/~jphutch
[21:10] <generalsnus> Heyas guys, With Ubuntu 8.04 the "AD Joining" tool, Likewise-open is included.  It works wonders here on our school.. But..  is there a way to have Roaming profiles/homes for our Linux users? kinda like roaming profiles in winxp/w2k3?   is there a how-to/guide maybe?
[23:40] <theunixgeek> I installed the semantik package, but the program is nowhere to be found.


[00:08] <AndrewDubya> is it possible to remove the dock in the new ubuntu 17.10? I use the dash to panel plugin so I don't need (or want :)) a separate dock
[16:18] <matthewfuerst> Anyone know if we should be expecting a system update prompt to Ubuntu 17.10 now that it is using Gnome in place of Unity, or do we need to download and install if from CD?
[20:40] <azol> hello guys, any tips how to connect to 17.10 via VNC? I mean how to start gnome exactly? what should I put in ~/.vnc/xstartup  ?
[20:59] <jbicha> azol: could you ask in a more popular channel or on askubuntu? we don't really provide support here
[21:00] <jbicha> but for 17.10, you will need to make sure you are using one of the " on Xorg" sessions since Wayland in 17.10 doesn't support serving the screen remotely
[21:00] <azol> yes, I know, Wayland is the point. That is why I'm asking.
[21:01] <azol> OK, I'll ask at ubuntu channel


[22:25] <renatosilva> hi, is there any specific reason the windows installer has not been updated to 2.6 and 2.7?
[22:46] <fullermd> I'd assume "dealing with it is a PITA and nobody's gotten to it"
[23:36] <renatosilva> is anyone from this thread in this channel? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2016q1/076084.html
[23:37] <renatosilva> fullermd: thanks for sharing this relevant message with the world's community
[23:39] <fullermd> That's what I'm here for.


[01:24] <adrian47> What can I do with: AppArmor DFA next/check upper bounds error?
[01:26] <tyhicks> adrian47: you saw that in the syslog?
[01:26] <adrian47> tyhicks: http://pastebin.com/4i1rBENR
[01:27] <tyhicks> 3.0.101-gfd09402-dirty
[01:27] <tyhicks> adrian47: are you porting Touch to a new device?
[01:27] <adrian47> tyhicks: Yes
[01:28] <tyhicks> adrian47: have you backported all of the required AppArmor changes?
[01:28]  * tyhicks looks for the porting guide wiki page
[01:30] <tyhicks> adrian47: here are the instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/AppArmorForPhabletKernels
[01:31] <adrian47> tyhicks: hmm thanks I use apparmor that was with this kernel source, but i'm not sure if it is good
[01:32] <tyhicks> adrian47: it isn't sufficient
[01:32] <tyhicks> adrian47: we've added lots of new features since the version of AppArmor that is in the kernel that you're using
[01:36] <adrian47> tyhicks: AppArmor is now needed to boot 4.4.2 based ubuntu touch
[01:36] <adrian47> ?
[01:38] <tyhicks> adrian47: I'd imagine that you can boot and use the system without backporting the AppArmor patches but they should be backported if you want a valid Touch image
[01:38] <tyhicks> adrian47: The entire Touch security model hinges on AppArmor
[01:39] <tyhicks> adrian47: Without the backported AppArmor patches, apps have way too much freedom
[01:40] <adrian47> tyhicks: I want to boot it first ;) I am fighting from few days at this stage without any progress, and I'm not sure what causes bootloop here
[01:42] <tyhicks> adrian47: I wouldn't think that the AppArmor warning is the cause of the boot loop but I'm not certain of that
[01:47] <adrian47> i see ureadahead error. in ureadahead-touch.log i have only: Counted 0 CPUs ureadahead: Error while tracing: No such file or directory
[01:47] <adrian47> tyhicks: do you know maybe, if it can cause bootloop?
[01:48] <tyhicks> adrian47: I have no idea
[02:04] <adrian47> tyhicks: I disabled AppArmor and error dissapeared but rest is exactly the same.
[03:54] <Mittles> anyone else using Tassdar's Nexus 5 images?
[03:54] <Mittles> The store doesn't seem to load on the latest.
[04:03] <Mittles> ah, anyways it's neat. I wish it worked better and/or had the time to help out more
[05:09] <ubuntu-touch-imx> hi eveyone online
[05:10] <ubuntu-touch-imx> i want to porting Ubuntu Touch on a non-android device
[05:11] <ubuntu-touch-imx> i want to porting Ubuntu Touch on iMX6q Freescale Chip
[05:11] <ubuntu-touch-imx> i ported Ubuntu XFCE on it successfully
[05:12] <ubuntu-touch-imx> so, tell me how to
[05:12] <ubuntu-touch-imx> ??????????????????????????//
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> its happening guys!
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/02/bq-ubuntu-phone-goes-sale-next-week-e169-meizu-device-coming-soon
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> tnx to all devs who worked so hard on touch, you guys rock
[06:44] <BillyZane> hello
[06:44] <BillyZane> i hear there's a new ubuntu phone going to be launched
[06:44] <BillyZane> is there any progress being made on nexus 5 support?
[08:01] <Hv0k> rrrrr! Few milinons of ubuntu comunity live in mind that "ubuntu touch will be soon" about more then 1 year.
[08:02] <Hv0k> *milions
[09:31] <sturmflut-work> Are sites running in a webapp-container allowed to download content? I set the "content_exchange" and "content_exchange_source" apparmor policies, but doesn't seem to be enough.
[10:10] <AnAnt> Hello, do native Ubuntu/Debian packages & apps work on Ubuntu phone ?
[10:11] <AnAnt> or does Ubuntu phone require special packaging ?
[10:50] <clitjes> Hi guys, I'm back for starting of to port ubuntu touch and i got feedback!
[10:51] <clitjes> Porting guide is not up to date yet, deadline of friday has past ;-).
[10:51] <clitjes> I'll check it frequently I've bought my self an one plus one so I'm ready to start next weekend.
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/02/bq-ubuntu-phone-goes-sale-next-week-e169-meizu-device-coming-soon
[11:59] <Humud> Good afternoom
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> Humud: hi mate
[12:00] <Humud> hi
[12:00] <Humud> im sorry can u tell me the stable version of ubuntu touch?
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> Humud: ubuntu touch runs fine already on nexus devices and more
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> !devices
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> and soon Bq and meizu will launch ubuntu touch stable phones
[12:01] <Humud> i have nexus 5
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> Humud: that works, with some issues
[12:02] <Humud> ok thank u
[12:03] <reellamer> hi all!! cant find any wiki or article about installing ubuntu touch on x86 tablet with baytrail and uefi 32bit... any help? how can i install *tar.gz?
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> reellamer: wich brand?
[12:03] <reellamer> pipo w1, its an oem like many others with same hardware
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> reellamer: check the XDA forums, maybe there's a project on your device
[12:05] <reellamer> it is an windows 8.1 tablet with emmc flash... dont think ill find something at xda but i will look for it
[12:05] <touchXMPP> is there any XMPP software available for the touch?
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> reellamer: the only bet is to port touch on your device, and the XDA forums might have something
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> touchXMPP: what does xmpp do?
[12:09] <reellamer> i alredy looking at xda, but its not the first time ;) shitting around the last 2 days getting someting to run on this device.
[12:09] <touchXMPP> lotuspsychje: instant messaging http://xmpp.org/xmpp-software/clients/
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> touchXMPP: there are few irc clients for touch, not sure about instant messaging
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> let me check the apps
[12:12] <touchXMPP> it doesn´t appear here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps?action=show&redirect=UbuntuPhone%2FCoreApps
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> cant find some
[12:15] <touchXMPP> thanks lotuspsychje, anyone knows about future plans for XMPP client for touch?
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> not sure mate, idle in here soem time
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> talk to the real devs here about it
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> maybe new phones will contain some
[12:18] <touchXMPP> i found something https://github.com/ginuerzh/gchat
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> interesting :p
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> im pretty sure once those 2 phones release, many more apps will be created
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> touchXMPP: can you see 'telegram' in touch apps?
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> send secret messages to contacts
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> touchXMPP: then the app 'ello'
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> maybe 'hashtalk' also
[13:13] <reellamer> so, how do i install e.g. "vivid-preinstalled-touch-i386.tar.gz"  on a pc/notebook/x86tablet???
[13:14] <reellamer> do i have to dd the *.tar to a partition and use refind to boot? does this work so simple?
[13:19] <CereS> Hi, i'm interested in installing ubuntu on a nexus 4. To activate the developer modus on the nexus prior to installing the image, do i need to activate a new phone somehow to enable the "developer" mode?
[13:27] <k1l> CereS: you must unlock the bootloader
[13:28] <k1l> *have to
[13:40] <CereS> k1l: thanks, found a wiki on how to do so. however, i'm thinking of buying a new nexus phone, so is it neccessary to configure the nexus the first time with android, or can i unlock the bootloader on a brandnew nexus 4?
[13:41] <k1l> you can unlock the bootloader anytime you want on a nexus
[13:41] <k1l> since nexus are the development phones from android.
[13:42] <k1l> its just that after the unlock all data will be lost on the phone. (system reset).
[13:43] <CereS> k1l: many thanks!
[14:18] <filmee24> hi, can i install ubuntu touch on my tablet?
[14:27] <Myself5> filmee24 more informations lol. What tablet?
[14:27] <filmee24> is there an iso or img file to install on any device?
[14:28] <filmee24> on my wetab
[14:28] <filmee24> i can intall an os with booting an iso
[14:35] <filmee24> is there an iso available?
[14:37] <k1l> filmee24: you need special isos for the arm tablets since they dont have universal drivers like we do have on pc. but the wetab is pc hardware, isnt it?
[14:37] <filmee24> is it
[15:10] <kyoei> Anyone know how to kill an unresponsive app without using the terminal and grepping the ps?
[15:11] <kyoei> Nevermind: got it. Swipe down from multiwindow after half swipe from right
[15:35] <svij> any idea why my ubuntu phone isn't playing any sound in youtube/music app/galery (recorded videos? The notification sound is actually working…
[16:05] <pmcgowan> svij, sounds like you have silent mode enabled
[16:06] <svij> pmcgowan: nope
[16:06] <pmcgowan> svij, so volume level ok , not muted and no siltent mode?
[16:06] <pmcgowan> svij, which device and build
[16:06] <svij> pmcgowan: right
[16:06] <svij> bq aquaris
[16:07] <svij> (Ubuntu 14.10 r16)
[16:07] <pmcgowan> ok
[16:08] <pmcgowan> not heard of this symptom at all
[16:09] <pmcgowan> if rsalveti comes by he may have an idea
[16:09] <svij> ok
[16:10] <pmcgowan> svij, I assume you tried a reboot?
[16:10] <svij> pmcgowan: sure
[16:16] <pmcgowan> svij, the volume levels for music/video and notifications and in call are all separate volume controls, I can only think that the media volume is somehow muted
[16:17] <pmcgowan> but if you change volume while music is playing, then I dont know
[16:18] <svij> I don't see an option to volume up the media volume seperatly, when im playing a video, it's already at the highest point
[16:20] <pmcgowan> svij, right its contextual
[16:20] <svij> I see
[16:20] <svij> it worked yesterday though…
[16:20] <pmcgowan> hmm
[16:40] <pmcgowan> svij, could you pastebin /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/media-hub.log from the aquarius
[16:42] <svij> pmcgowan: can I ssh into the phone via usb?
[16:43] <pmcgowan> svij, may take a bit of setup for you, you can use adb tools or phablet-tools with developer mode
[16:43] <svij> adb sounds good
[16:45] <svij> anything i need to setup on my phone for adb?
[16:45] <pmcgowan> svij, do you have android tools installed?
[16:45] <svij> yes
[16:45] <pmcgowan> svij, just enable developer mode in settings>about
[16:46] <svij> doesn't show me devices when running "adb shell"
[16:46] <pmcgowan> svij, it wont until you enable developer mode and have phone unlocked
[16:46] <svij> developer mode is activated and phone unlocked
[16:47] <pmcgowan> one sec
[16:48] <pmcgowan> hmm no that should work now
[16:48] <pmcgowan> man not having much luck here
[16:48] <svij> hmm
[16:48] <pmcgowan> try pluggin in now that its enabled
[16:48] <svij> already trying…
[16:52] <blb7724> what tablet hardware is recommended for touch?
[16:53] <pmcgowan> blb7724, nexus 7
[16:54] <pmcgowan> svij, svij what version of android-tools-adb do you have, which version ubuntu
[16:54] <svij> pmcgowan: adb version
[16:54] <svij> Android Debug Bridge version 1.0.32
[16:54] <blb7724> it's kind of expensive
[16:54] <svij> it's actually on archlinux
[16:55] <blb7724> and it aren't equipped with a sd card reader iirc
[16:56] <pmcgowan> svij, it may be missing product ideas or something, did you try an adb kill-server; sudo adb start-server
[16:56] <pmcgowan> IDs that is
[16:57] <svij> pmcgowan: no difference
[16:57] <svij> rebooting now, lets see
[16:57] <blb7724> which nexus 7 version you mean btw?
[16:58] <pmcgowan> blb7724, the newer one, I forget the designation
[16:58] <pmcgowan> !devices
[16:58] <svij> reboot didn't help though…
[16:58] <john-mcaleely> svij, if your adb tools are stock-android, it may lack the appropriate product id
[16:58] <blb7724> yeah, that's one with 2gb ram?
[16:59] <blb7724> it costs more than 300 Euro
[16:59] <john-mcaleely> svij, also, you need to have the screen on, and the device unlocked to initiate the connection
[16:59] <john-mcaleely> svij, this fragment: $ echo 0x2a47 >> ~/.android/adb_usb.ini
[16:59] <blb7724> 200 is the maximum I'm ready to pay for a tablet
[16:59] <pmcgowan> I think its missing the id
[16:59] <john-mcaleely> will give you the product id you need
[17:00] <pmcgowan> blb7724, you can check that wiki page and see if any others are to your likig
[17:00] <john-mcaleely> (restart adb with kill-server/start-server afterward)
[17:00] <pmcgowan> john-mcaleely, thanks john was searching for that
[17:01] <svij> john-mcaleely: no difference :(
[17:02] <john-mcaleely> hrm. my adb is this: Android Debug Bridge version 1.0.31
[17:02] <john-mcaleely> which is different
[17:02] <john-mcaleely> (that may not be helpful)
[17:03] <svij> lsusb shows just "Bus 001 Device 010: ID 2a47:0c02" without anything after that
[17:03] <svij> don#t know if this matters
[17:05] <svij> ah
[17:05] <svij> it works
[17:05] <pmcgowan> yay
[17:05] <svij> not sure what was the problem though
[17:07] <svij> pmcgowan: http://pastebin.com/35M5z7tt
[17:08] <john-mcaleely> yay (working adb)
[17:09] <pmcgowan> svij, I dont see anything abnormal there
[17:10] <svij> hm :-/
[17:10] <pmcgowan> svij, there are some old reports that sounds very similar to your symptom
[17:10] <pmcgowan> but the logs showed some errors
[17:10] <blb7724> hm, that hw supported list is limited. And all these links to xda-defelopers mean install and pray. not good
[17:10] <pmcgowan> svij, the reporter said it did not happen on every boot, so perhaps a reboot can clear it
[17:11] <pmcgowan> but that was a couple months back
[17:11] <svij> I rebooted couple of times
[17:11] <pmcgowan> blb7724, its still in development for tablets, may be best to wait
[17:12] <pmcgowan> svij, anything else you did between yesterday and today?
[17:12] <pmcgowan> that could be related
[17:12] <svij> pmcgowan: nothing special
[17:13] <pmcgowan> I see this report from early dec https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub/+bug/1398560
[17:15] <svij> well, I just hear a quiet  random noise
[17:15] <svij> when playing video/music/youtube
[17:15] <svij> only works when I want to change the ringtone or notification sounds are working
[17:16] <pmcgowan> svij, can you comment in that bug? otherwise I can add some info from your description
[17:16] <svij> sure i can
[17:16] <pmcgowan> thanks
[17:16] <pmcgowan> I will get its priority raised
[17:17] <pmcgowan> I am not aware of any reports since that time
[17:17] <blb7724> would it be possible to keep the original fw in place and start touch from a separate partition on the sd card?
[17:18] <svij> pmcgowan: thx
[17:18] <svij> all the other people who i talked to hear didn't have that problem
[17:19] <pmcgowan> svij, at least thats good but clearly something can trigger it
[17:19] <pmcgowan> svij, should be able to find a workaround when the right devs are available
[17:20] <svij> pmcgowan: good
[17:21] <svij> pmcgowan: done
[17:24] <pmcgowan> svij, thanks sorry for the trouble, we will figure it out
[17:25] <svij> pmcgowan: np, that's why I got the phone so early ;)
[17:41] <blb7724> exit
[17:41] <blb7724> sorry
[21:47] <lazyPower> hmm, i'm having a bit of trouble with the lastpass scope. Has anyone had any success with it on recent builds? I know it worked in the past
[21:49] <Jokersww> anyone have problem installing touch to nexus 7 wifi?
[21:49] <lazyPower> which model Jokersww? i just flashed mine lastnight without an issue from the dev channel
[21:49] <lazyPower> the 2012 is unsupported. 2013 wifi however should be fine
[21:49] <Jokersww> flo, just tried the dev channel and i get the "need to recover by PC or store"
[21:50] <lazyPower> interesting, thats what i flashed without issue
[21:50] <lazyPower> are you doing multirom or did you go for a full device takeover?
[21:50] <Jokersww> I have the recovery from the trusty channel, but no boot, just sits at the google screen
[21:50] <Jokersww> full device takeover
[21:50] <lazyPower> same here. weird
[21:51] <lazyPower> I did a full factory reset, boot unlock, then flashed
[21:51] <Jokersww> unlocked the bootloader and ran "ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap", just goes to the needs recovery from pc or store
[21:52] <lazyPower> seems like something went awry, and i'm not sure why :( sorry that I don't have better info
[21:53] <Jokersww> ok guess im going back to android
[21:53] <Jokersww> hoping someone might know something here
[21:53] <popey> Jokersww: you picked a bad time
[21:53] <popey> it's the weekend, more people hang out here during the week
[21:53] <Jokersww> oh?
[21:53] <k1l_> lies! everyone is drunk in london :)
[21:54] <popey> that was yesterday :)
[21:54] <Jokersww> that's everyday
[23:30] <kyoei> is there no way to support push email at the moment?


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[00:02] <skylerberg> marcoceppi: charm == 'tintri-cinder', self.test_charm == 'deployer'
[00:02] <marcoceppi> skylerberg: that's so very wrong
[00:03] <marcoceppi> skylerberg: how are you running the tests?
[00:04] <marcoceppi> skylerberg: charm_name (and test_charm) are derived from either os.getcwd() or if JUJU_TEST_CHARM is in the environment
[00:05] <skylerberg> I am running them with python, but I was in the wrong directory I think. I just realized deployer was the directory I was in. However, it doesn't work in tests either.
[00:05] <marcoceppi> to get around this you can export JUJU_TEST_CHARM as cinder-tintri, but this should work if you're either running bundletester, juju test, or the test file directly (ala tests/test-file-name)
[00:05] <marcoceppi> skylerberg: all the test runners execute from the charm directory root, not the tests directory
[00:06] <marcoceppi> python tests/name-of-test should work from the root
[00:06] <skylerberg> Okay, I will give that a try
[00:07] <skylerberg> Thanks, that looks like it solved that problem.
[00:22] <beisner> hi coreycb, looks like ceph/next needs the c-h sync
[00:38] <beisner> coreycb, also fyi, that bit i mentioned earlier buggified:  T-L deploys are blocked on bug 1486293
[00:38] <mup> Bug #1486293: trusty-liberty - multiple packages cannot be authenticated <amulet> <openstack> <uosci> <keystone (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486293>
[00:53] <coreycb> beisner, ceph's updated now and I'll take a look at the liberty issue
[07:21] <stub> bcsaller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/postgresql/+bug/1486257 could be a real life use case for composer and relation stubs.
[07:21] <mup> Bug #1486257: make port configurable and send port+protocol on the syslog relation <postgresql (Juju Charms Collection):New> <rsyslog (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486257>
[11:53] <magicaltrout> hello chaps
[11:53] <magicaltrout> quick question
[11:53] <magicaltrout> if I want to require tomcat, but specifically tomcat 7
[11:53] <magicaltrout> can I configure that in metadata.yaml?
[13:25] <plars> wget: unable to resolve host address ''ubuntu-14.04-server-cloudimg-amd64-root.tar.gz'
[13:25] <plars> getting this when trying to deploy things to lxc under maas
[13:25] <plars> here's a more complete log, any ideas? http://paste.ubuntu.com/12121232/
[13:27] <plars> marcoceppi maybe? or any idea who to ask? The only significant difference I can see in this environment vs. the one I have at home (that works) is the working one has juju 1.24.4 and the non-working one has 1.24.5, but I haven't updated the one at home to see if it breaks
[13:54] <beisner> gnuoy, coreycb - along the lines of liberty uca enablement in the charms, i've selectively synced the fetch bits into mongodb as a merge proposal for review @ https://code.launchpad.net/~1chb1n/charms/trusty/mongodb/sync-fetch-helpers-liberty/+merge/268413
[13:56] <gnuoy> beisner, why a selective sync? Does a full sync break mongo>
[13:56] <gnuoy> ?
[13:56] <beisner> gnuoy, coreycb - i went minimal since it's not in the next cadence, and didn't want to introduce other potential issues with a full sync.  but i will if you think that'd be best.
[13:58] <beisner> gnuoy, i'll re-sync all of it now and let tests run.
[14:37] <marcoceppi> plars: is there any proxy in place in this environment?
[14:37] <plars> marcoceppi: no
[14:38] <marcoceppi> plars: it's trying to download the trusty template from the bootstrap node, https://<IP_ADDRESS>:17070/environment/4861d530-e810-405c-8f57-4b686db9581e/images/lxc/trusty/amd64/ubuntu-14.04-server-cloudimg-amd64-root.tar.gz but it doesn't appear to be working
[14:38] <marcoceppi> actually
[14:38] <marcoceppi> weird
[14:39] <plars> marcoceppi: yeah, it seems to complain about the certificate?
[14:39] <marcoceppi> it doesn't have a server name for the wget line
[14:39] <plars> marcoceppi: then later it's just... yeah, bad url
[14:39] <marcoceppi> looks like some weird logic tree, possibly an error. what base environment are you using? MAAS?
[14:40] <plars> marcoceppi: trusty+ppa, maas version is 1.8.0+bzr4001-0ubuntu2~trusty1
[14:41] <plars> marcoceppi: maas version is the same as the one I have at home, and works fine there
[14:41] <marcoceppi> plars: if possible I'd try downgrading to 1.24.4 - this might be a regression
[14:42] <plars> marcoceppi: that was going to be the next thing I tried, would I just need juju and juju-core?
[14:42] <plars> marcoceppi: and do you have a link to the old version somewhere?
[14:43] <marcoceppi> plars: just juju-core, juju is a meta package
[14:43] <marcoceppi> if you're on x86 I could upload a file, I don't think they're just floating around
[14:44] <marcoceppi> plars: http://ppa.launchpad.net/juju/stable/ubuntu/pool/main/j/juju-core/
[14:50] <plars> marcoceppi: thanks, downgrading it now, then I'll redeploy everything
[15:10] <g3naro> how do i juju deploy local and set the bridge device  to use?
[15:10] <g3naro> withouth changing /etc/lxc/default.conff ?
[15:15] <plars> marcoceppi: it hasn't given up yet, but I ran juju status in another session and it still seems to have the same problem after downgrading: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12125553/
[15:16] <lazyPower> g3naro: to clarify, you want to use a juju local provider, on a different networking bridge, but not edit the default lxc network bridge?
[15:20] <puzzolo> strange problems with juju. My lxc machines dont get ips, while maas offers them
[15:25] <g3naro> what is the configuration in /etc/lxc/default.conf ?
[15:26] <puzzolo> LXC_AUTO="true"
[15:26] <puzzolo> USE_LXC_BRIDGE="false"  # overridden in lxc-net
[15:26] <puzzolo> [ -f /etc/default/lxc-net ] && . /etc/default/lxc-net
[15:26] <puzzolo> LXC_SHUTDOWN_TIMEOUT=120
[15:28] <puzzolo> even configuring lxc statically wont do the trick
[15:29] <marcoceppi> plars: this seems like a misconfiguration somehwere, can you confirm that the agent-version for node 0 is 1.24.4?
[15:30] <puzzolo> lxc-net, which overrides lxc.conf uses lxcbr0
[15:30] <plars> marcoceppi: hmm, no it seems to be 1.24.5, but I downgraded... does it cache somewhere?
[15:30] <g3naro> hmm do you have the lxcbr0 made?
[15:30] <plars> marcoceppi: and I did re-bootstrap after downgrading
[15:31] <marcoceppi> plars: agent stream will always look for latest tools, you may need to bootstrap with an explicit version
[15:31] <plars> marcoceppi: of course, I just downgraded juju-core, not juju
[15:31] <plars> marcoceppi: how do I do that?
[15:32] <marcoceppi> plars: I'm not entirely certain now
[15:32] <puzzolo> g3naro: machine was provisioned by juju. lxbr0 is there. Still in containers config i get: lxc.container.link = juju-br0
[15:40] <puzzolo> i changed config to not using lxc bridge. lxcbr0 disappeared
[15:41] <puzzolo> problem is still there
[15:41] <g3naro> ok
[15:41] <g3naro> try this
[15:41] <g3naro> edit your ~/.juju/environments.yaml configuration
[15:42] <g3naro> you have an option to specify the bridge device there
[15:49] <puzzolo> i am no expert, as this is my first deployment with lxc containers. And i did not quit get which layer of configuration comes first. For which container I get a config file with points to juju-br0, which would expose all containers to maas dhcp. And that should be ok, making the services reacheable. lxcbr0 instead is a natted network for lxc continaers. This seems like a bug to me.. still I cant get to understand why it fails.
[15:50] <puzzolo> juju-br0 is the right bridge for lxc-containers or should services be natted?
[15:55] <puzzolo> strange is that with default deployment, containers do point to juju-br0, do ask dhcp .. and maas does offer them. ufw disabled anywhere. I must use tcpdump at least to see where the udp/tcp breaks
[16:00] <asanjar> kwmonroe: updated and tested hbase with jujubigdata4
[16:02] <kwmonroe> excellent asanjar!
[16:02] <plars> marcoceppi: yeah, sshing to node 0 I see that it had the old version, but also seems to have downloaded 1.24.5
[16:38] <puzzolo> mu problem seems to be related to juju-br0 bridged to eth0, which goes to maas internal network. juju-br0 does receive dhcp offers from maas for all containers, still wont "redirect" them to veth interfaces
[16:48] <lazyPower> puzzolo: is this a LXC networking reachability issue you're encountering? eg: Juju deploy --to lxc:# and then attempting to relate/route to those containers fails?
[16:53] <jogarret6204> hi all.   I have juju 1.24.3 upgrade to 1.24.5 stuck.  anyone tell me how to "undo" or kik it along to finish?
[16:53] <plars> marcoceppi: is there some way to force it to downgrade? or to debug where things might be going wrong and why it's getting those errors in 1.24.5?
[16:54] <lazyPower> jogarret6204: any further details than the upgrade is stuck? has the bootstrap node completed the upgrade cycle and its now stuck pushing out to the agent nodes?
[16:55] <lazyPower> jogarret6204: also do you have any debug log output during the upgrade that could help point us to a root cause? juju debug-log can assist here, but you might have to specify a legnth and scroll back through the election spam if its been a long while since you initiated the upgrade   juju debug-log -n <number>
[16:56] <puzzolo> lazyPower: indeed. I tryed deploying a juju charm, landscape-maas-dense. It installes apache2 on phys0, inquiring maas for a new node. On that machine it builds 5 lxc containers. Everything ok, till containers attached on juju-br0 need an ip. They'll ask for it. Maas will provide them, but ack all stop at juju-br0.
[16:58] <jogarret6204> lazyPower: ERROR WatchDebugLog not supported
[16:58] <jogarret6204> .
[16:58] <jogarret6204> dont think bootstrap node is upgraded either
[16:58] <puzzolo> it is truly frustating.. as i cant get this continaers to get an ip, or understand where i am wrong.
[16:59] <jogarret6204> machine 0: agent-version: <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:59] <lazyPower> dimitern: ping
[17:00] <lazyPower> jogarret6204: which provider are you using?
[17:00] <jogarret6204> I'm in no hurry this is a lab.
[17:00] <jogarret6204> maas
[17:00] <lazyPower> hmm, its not giving you a debug log, thats a weird bug
[17:02] <jogarret6204> I have machine 0 as a VM.  I can cat the machine-0 log there...
[17:03] <lazyPower> puzzolo: we had some networking changes land in 1.24 that should have addressed that
[17:04] <lazyPower> but it appears we've missed the TZ window to contact the developer, let me put out some feelers and see what i can turn up about this
[17:05] <lazyPower> i've run into this with other substrates however, where LXC networking isn't adding the forwarding rule to the machines and therefore the containers are unreachable outside of the host
[17:07] <dimitern> lazyPower, pong
[17:07] <lazyPower> dimitern: heyo sorry for the late ping :)
[17:07] <dimitern> lazyPower, no worries :) what's up?
[17:07] <puzzolo> lazyPower: it felt like a bug. Anyway to check this is my issue?
[17:07] <lazyPower> dimitern: i've had a couple questions over the networking in 1.24 wrt lxc containers. Correct me if i'm wrong but on certain substrates the forwarding should "just work" and cross host container communication w/ lxc should be enabled?
[17:09] <lazyPower> puzzolo: this conversation above is related to your scenario :)
[17:09] <puzzolo> i guessed that guys :*
[17:09] <lazyPower> jogarret6204: if you can grab the all-machines log that would be helpful
[17:10] <lazyPower> jogarret6204: that machine-0 log might have the details of whats happening with the upgrade as well, so thats probably a good place to start
[17:10] <jogarret6204> relevant log message seems to be this one
[17:10] <jogarret6204> https://<IP_ADDRESS>:17070/environment/b2c12e86-2a25-4d90-886b-e595c500f432/tools/1.24.5-trusty-amd64
[17:10] <jogarret6204> sorry - was trying it.. all of it
[17:10] <jogarret6204> failed to fetch tools from "https://<IP_ADDRESS>:17070/environment/b2c12e86-2a25-4d90-886b-e595c500f432/tools/1.24.5-trusty-amd64": bad HTTP response: 400 Bad Request
[17:12] <jogarret6204> I see my lab proxy changed when I try that...  let me go fix that
[17:29] <puzzolo> lazyPower: can this "forwarding" thingie be handput, or should i just wait for devs to do the dev's things?
[17:29] <lazyPower> puzzolo: i'm  not certain what is actually put on the host in terms of forwarding, so i'm pending a response from dimitern
[17:30] <puzzolo> lazyPower: we'll wait together then. Strange is that those containers do reach maas, but get nothing back.
[17:31] <puzzolo> req ok. offer ok. never "acks"...
[17:31] <lazyPower> weird
[17:31] <puzzolo> but sure is forwarding issue, as static ips wont do either
[17:32] <lazyPower> yeah, i think its just an iptables rulechain or route thats added
[17:32] <lazyPower> i'm not sure which
[17:32] <lazyPower> its been a while since i've dealt with this by hand
[17:34] <jogarret_6204> lazyPower: fixed proxy.  logs still showing upgrade in progress in error logs of juju state VM.  but nothing is upgrade.  can I back out and redo upgrade?
[17:34] <jogarret_6204> On puzzolo issue - you guys check ebtables and ufw too?
[17:34] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: do you know if there is a way to stop an in progress upgrade?
[17:34] <dimitern> lazyPower, hmm in 1.24 we have this only in a few places
[17:34] <lazyPower> dimitern: AWS, and MAAS correct?
[17:34] <puzzolo> lazyPower: sure this thing affects quite a bunch of charms. I tried landscape just to get the feeling of what will be openstack deployment.
[17:35] <dimitern> lazyPower, a few more - AWS and MAAS with address-allocation feature flag
[17:35] <lazyPower> ahh so thats behind a feature flag during deployment?
[17:35] <dimitern> lazyPower, by otherwise by default only on MAAS
[17:35] <lazyPower> puzzolo: you're using maas correct?
[17:35] <dimitern> lazyPower, yeah, it's possible to lift it for 1.25, but it's not decided yet
[17:54] <firl> yay, I will be able to come to the juju charm summit
[17:55] <lazyPower> firl: awesome!
[17:56] <firl> yeah, I work remote in texas but the office I Work with is 2 miles from the summit so it’s perfect
[18:06] <jcastro> marcoceppi: which would you say is a good hello world for explaining actions to people
[18:06] <lazyPower> jcastro: a great one would be to get troubleshooting information from a system
[18:07] <lazyPower> dump the versions of software, configuration data, and relevant things from the service
[18:07] <jcastro> sorry I meant, hello world example charm
[18:07] <lazyPower> o
[18:07] <jcastro> like, one I can point to people and then explain
[18:07] <lazyPower> i got meta there fo ra second, sorry
[18:07] <jcastro> no worries
[18:08] <lazyPower> etcd has a system health action
[18:08] <lazyPower> very simple to parse
[18:08] <lazyPower> https://github.com/whitmo/etcd-charm/blob/master/actions/health
[18:08] <jcastro> cool, any others?
[18:09] <lazyPower> i have some actions for DroneCI
[18:09] <lazyPower> https://github.com/chuckbutler/drone-ci-charm/tree/master/actions
[18:09] <jcastro> perfect, anyone else have some decent actions they want to share?
[18:11] <puzzolo> lazyPower: maas
[18:13] <puzzolo> jogarret_6204: i checked ufw only. defaulting it to accept all, or even disabling it. From maas down to phys to even lxc containers
[18:14] <puzzolo> jogarret_6204: didnt try ebtables.. as it never touched me in these years to custom firewall  bridge prots
[18:18] <puzzolo> [    8.062781] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): vethQ3EQVL: link is not ready
[18:18] <puzzolo> [    8.062787] juju-br0: port 2(vethQ3EQVL) entered forwarding state
[18:18] <puzzolo> [    8.062790] juju-br0: port 2(vethQ3EQVL) entered forwarding state
[18:18] <puzzolo> [    8.065762] juju-br0: port 2(vethQ3EQVL) entered disabled state
[18:18] <jogarret_6204> puzzolo:  Those are just some things I have tried.  I'm not experienced with containers.
[18:21] <plars> marcoceppi: it's worth noting that if I use the --no-check-certificate flag to wget, I can get it to download from the url in the error, but I don't think I can inject that anywhere
[18:21] <plars> marcoceppi: It downloads ok, but still gives: WARNING: certificate common name ‘*’ doesn't match requested host name ‘<IP_ADDRESS>’
[18:23] <puzzolo> on maas, everything seems to be working just fine
[18:23] <puzzolo> Aug 19 20:23:01 maas-1 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:16:3e:43:ce:3f (juju-machine-11-lxc-0) via eth1
[18:23] <puzzolo> Aug 19 20:23:01 maas-1 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on <IP_ADDRESS> to 00:16:3e:43:ce:3f (juju-machine-11-lxc-0) via eth1
[18:27] <puzzolo> tell me if i'm flooding too much guys. Bridge configuration, seems to be outstanding
[18:28] <puzzolo> http://pastebin.com/JHvQRs3s
[18:39] <lazyPower> puzzolo: I'm not positive on where to go from here. I need to talk with dimiter more tomorrow in the AM to get a better view of whats implemented and how to consume it
[18:40] <lazyPower> puzzolo: once i've had that conversation i should be able to lend a better helping hand. You're the third user this week thats had container networking issues and we've got work landed that should make any manual intevention moot
[18:40] <lazyPower> juju should be able to do what is right for that networking component in the stack, and if we do anything by hand its not as reproduceable as juju doing it for you :) so i hesitate to help in the creation of a snowflake
[18:41] <puzzolo> a small bit different in my setup, is that i am using a kvm machine with libvirt bridged networking.
[18:41] <lazyPower> puzzolo: i can circle back tomorrow if you're going to be here, i'll also be pinging the list with my findings to help the broader user audience in general.
[18:42] <plars> marcoceppi: I tried to fake it out by resetting the symlink under /var/lib/juju/machine-0, but it replace it. Also tried just replacing the 1.24.5 binary with the 1.24.4 one, but it just gets stuck in an endless update loop if I do that, and doesn't let me deploy :(
[18:42] <puzzolo> thank you for your time. I'll check what those users had on lxc netwroking, to get a better picture myself
[18:44] <lazyPower> puzzolo: sorry i didn't have better info today. this is very much new stuff that we've been working on for the last cycle
[18:44] <lazyPower> so its a known problem, but we've got some tools out there to help, i jsut need to re-up on that info and we should have you sorted in short order
[18:47] <puzzolo> no problem. One thing did catch my eye now, on lds-1, the first service unit phys machine, where containers are deployed for the other services in the charm bundle:
[18:47] <puzzolo> 2015-08-19 18:39:28 INFO juju.networker networker.go:163 networker is disabled - not starting on machine "machine-11"
[18:47] <plars> ah, hang on, it was way easier. I didn't see that upgrade-juju takes a version parameter, and it doesn't seem to try to circumvent what you specify there :)
[18:57] <plars> marcoceppi: ok, I'm getting farther... once it's completely done, I'd like to file a bug on this. Is lp the best place for bug reports? github?
[18:57] <plars> marcoceppi: I've just about convinced myself it's a regression in 1.24.5
[19:42] <puzzolo> lazyPower: mumble mumble, can it actually be a problem regarding my managed switch?
[19:57] <lazyPower> i wouldn't think so, but its possible
[19:58] <beisner> gnuoy, coreycb - mongodb c-h sync for liberty uca - mp ready for review @ https://code.launchpad.net/~1chb1n/charms/trusty/mongodb/sync-fetch-helpers-liberty/+merge/268413
[19:58] <coreycb> beisner, I'll have to defer to gnuoy.  I can't land to mongodb
[19:59] <beisner> coreycb, ok np, thanks.   fyi, mbruzek is on the mysql sync review as soon as tests complete.
[20:00] <beisner> o/ mbruzek :-)   the queue was thick today, but that mysql amulet test is next up.
[20:00] <puzzolo> upgrading to 1.24.5 over 1.24.4
[20:00] <mbruzek> in meeting beisner I will get to that after that
[20:00] <beisner> mbruzek, yep np, the test will be +~1hr i imagine.  thanks a ton.
[20:18] <puzzolo> lazyPower: http://askubuntu.com/questions/615433/landscapes-openstack-installation-fails-due-to-containers-unable-to-obtain-an-i after a couple of hours of diggin' around, this guys in the link seem to have my same issue. I am not using esxi, but libvirt alone, with kvm as phys0 where lxc get created. I will try to see if my problem is related to libvirt other then juju.
[20:30] <puzzolo> I am starting to think that problem is related to macvlan on libvirt
[20:31] <puzzolo> which is a sort of  cannibilized bridge, working splendidly for kvm networking... but is not aware of lxc containers mac addresses inside kvm.
[20:32] <lazyPower> puzzolo: that is very possible
[20:32] <lazyPower> sorry i've been unresponsive, in a community hangout with some users of our k8's bundle
[20:32] <lazyPower> split brain today :)
[20:37] <skylerberg> I need to change the configuration in nova-compute (I need to pass in some nfs protocol settings). However, there doesn't seem to be an applicable interface for me to connect to from my charm. What is the way forward? Add an interface to nova-compute? Hijack an interface meant for something else?
[20:54] <lazyPower> skylerberg: is this just for adding NFS support? or is this to extend into a new region of NFS goodness?
[20:54] <lazyPower> skylerberg: meaning the NFS charm relation
[20:57] <skylerberg> lazyPower: I just need to edit a couple of settings in nova.conf (nfs_mount_options and maybe cpu_mode).
[20:57] <lazyPower> skylerberg: its a bad idea to have something else editing nova.conf outside of the nova charm
[20:57] <lazyPower> that smells of config race conditions should nova ever receive a hook event firing that will re-write the template
[20:58] <lazyPower> iirc there is a config manager lib, that you can send data to over the relation. we have a similar construct in teh cinder charm
[20:58] <lazyPower> beisner: does nova have the same config manager that cinder does?
[20:58] <lazyPower> skylerberg: let me loop in our test master of openstack, if thats the case i should be able to get you a recommended path forward that has a high liklihood of getting accepted as a PR for the charms
[20:58] <skylerberg> lazyPower: Right, so I am using the cinder storage-backend relation and that is working great. I just don't see an equivalent in nova.
[21:00] <skylerberg> lazyPower: It might be nice to have a generic interface for editing nova's config. Right now it looks like all the interfaces are very specific (ceph, rabbit, etc.)
[21:00] <lazyPower> skylerberg: thats by design as its p2p orchestration in that instance :)
[21:00] <lazyPower> which makes it ery clear to anyone thats relating into nova, what data is being sent/received
[21:01] <lazyPower> and allows nova to respond in kind based on whats incoming, eg: installing any storage drivers, et-al
[21:01] <beisner> hi lazyPower - they both use the contexts approach with regard to collecting config data and rendering the conf template, which keeps things safe-ish.
[21:01] <lazyPower> beisner: so is it safe to link to the cinder-vnx charm to illustrate how that hsould be used?
[21:01] <lazyPower> or are they different context managers?
[21:04] <puzzolo> this problem is killing me
[21:05] <beisner> not sure i'm fully following.  i think the cinder-vnx + cinder charms are a good example of a subordinate affecting a principle's config if that's what you mean.
[21:05] <lazyPower> beisner: well skylerberg is wanting to add NFS storage backend to nova
[21:06] <lazyPower> and i'm recommending using the context approach to add that config update, vs a racey interface approach that edits the config outside of the context aware template approach
[21:06] <beisner> oh neat, for instance image storage?
[21:07] <beisner> if so, we already have nova-compute plumbed for ceph-backed instance storage, and it may be worth looking at that code
[21:08] <beisner> caveat there of course is:  all instance disk i/o then traverses the wire, so the network needs to be ROCKING.
[21:08] <lazyPower> skylerberg: seems like you've got some template code you can consume, and i would recommend adding an interface unless you're going to recycle the same data coming from nfs, then use the NFS provided interface :)
[21:09] <lazyPower> sorry that wsa a bit round about, i just wanted to make sure you were setup for success vs running into a racing config scenario. I've had my fair share of those and have lost sleep over it.
[21:09] <beisner> +1000 for race avoidance
[21:12] <skylerberg> lazyPower, beisner: So the way forward is to add an interface to nova-compute that uses the same type of mechanism as the storage-backend interface in cinder to update the config?
[21:22] <beisner> lazyPower, skylerberg - so re: design logic in adding new features, i'd prefer to pull in one of the folks like coreycb, gnuoy, wolsen or dosaboy who are primary authors.  i become familiar with the code paths through testing, but i don't generally pave new paths in these charms as such.
[21:23] <coreycb> skylerberg, sorry, catching up
[21:23] <beisner> that, and inspecting how we've already done the ceph-backed instance storage in nova-compute.
[21:25] <coreycb> skylerberg, there's a config-flags optoin in nova.conf to edit general config options, but be careful
[21:25] <coreycb> skylerberg, in nova-compute that is
[21:28] <coreycb> skylerberg, nevermind me, saw you had a question about general nova.conf settings earlier
[21:28] <skylerberg> coreycb: It seems like I would either need to still use an interface so that users could connect my charm to nova and then my charm would set the config-flags or I would need to have instructions with my charm saying that they need to set this option on nova-compute, which seems less than ideal.
[21:29] <skylerberg> coreycb: What I need to do with nova-compute is pretty simple, it just needs to set a couple config options and make sure the service is restarted so that the config is loaded. It should be a lot like how cinder-vnx connects to cinder.
[21:32] <wolsen> skylerberg, this configuration setting needs to be applied after a subsequent charm is related to it?
[21:33] <skylerberg> wolsen: That is what I am imagining. Someone deploys cinder and nova-compute, then they connect my charm to both to alter their configurations to use the proper storage backend.
[21:35] <wolsen> skylerberg, yeah unfortunately thare's not a generic interface that exists to relate nova and cinder backends, its more specific (e.g. the ceph-client interface which ceph can be related with nova-compute)
[21:36] <wolsen> skylerberg, though there's the possibility of having a shared-storage relation or something similar that may be more generic
[21:37] <skylerberg> wolsen: I think my use case is even more generic than relating storage backends, it is just editing the config settings. Could we add a generic config setting interface?
[21:37] <wolsen> skylerberg, sorry my son & I are both sick today - can I get back to you?
[21:38] <skylerberg> wolsen: Yeah, no problem. Take it easy.
[21:40] <beisner> thanks skylerberg, lazyPower - i've also got to run, eod.  i think most of the openstack charmers are also end-of-day.  it may be worth starting a thread on the juju mailing list to state the end goal, gather input, ideas, etc.
[21:40] <beisner>  (thanks too, coreycb wolsen  )
[21:41] <wolsen> skylerberg, one of my concerns is that adding a generic config interface for the charms will now compete with the charm config itself
[21:42] <wolsen> skylerberg, so it becomes ambiguous if both the charm itself and a related charm specify "create this config option with this value" - which one is the right one?
[21:44] <skylerberg> wolsen: I see. Yeah, I will think about what makes sense for my use case and get back to you.
[21:56] <puzzolo> lazyPower: nothing. I tried everything i could. from kernel flags on bridge till promisc and "allmulti" options on all layers  of network interfaces. Still nothing. Hope to hear from you and dmnitry tomorrow
[21:56] <lazyPower> puzzolo: i've got you at the top of my list to have that discussion before i switch feet back to k8's :)
[22:03] <puzzolo> thank you dude :*


[12:01] <ddstreet> mapreri teward i'd like to send the backports charter to the TB in the next few hours, please let me know if there's any final things you think should change in it
[15:55] <dbungert> rbasak: do you think we should finish the sync on mariadb-10.6?  excluding arm, autopkgtest queues have calmed.  LP: #1965555
[15:57] <rbasak> dbungert: yes, thanks. Let me sponsor that for you now.
[15:57] <dbungert> rbasak: thanks!
[15:59] <rbasak> done
[19:02] <sil2100> rbasak, ddstreet, teward: DMB ping!
[19:03] <teward> *yawns* y'all owe me caffeine
[19:52]  * Eickmeyer dumps a pot of coffee in teward's mouth
[20:02]  * genii twitches


[17:12] <knome> good day.
[17:13] <knome> is the pad lagging again?
[20:26] <Guest25113> so, running the beta2 amd64 install and it hangs indefinitely at the preparing to install xubuntu prompt where it asks you if you want to dl updates while installing/install 3rd party software
[20:27] <pleia2> Guest25113: thanks, can you submit a bug report?
[20:28] <pleia2> (they may need some follow-ups on your hardware and such)
[20:28] <Guest25113> if you tell me what info I should grab from the live system
[20:29] <pleia2> Guest25113: are you in the live system now?
[20:29] <pleia2> open a terminal and type: ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[20:29] <pleia2> that will launch the bug reporting tool and collect logs and things it needs :)
[20:29] <pleia2> ubiquity is the installer software you're submitting the bug against
[20:29] <Guest25113> yepp, ok will do
[20:30] <Guest25113> should I quit the hanging install first or does it not matter?
[20:31] <pleia2> if you can submit the bug report while it's running, I'd do that
[20:31] <pleia2> you don't want to reboot though
[20:31] <Guest25113> so much is clear
[20:53] <Guest25113> one can only attach one file?
[20:54] <Guest25113> or can I add more after filing
[20:58] <len-dt> You can add more after filing
[20:58] <len-dt> You may find it already adds more than one.
[21:01] <Guest25113> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1165880 looks okay? I'd like to boot to a more functional system again
[21:02] <len-dt> Do you have a USB stick in the drive with a linux file system on it?
[21:02] <len-dt> Sorry in the machine.
[21:02] <Guest25113> nope livecd
[21:03] <len-dt> Ok, becasue I had that happen to me when I was trying to install onto a USB stick. When I reformated it back to FAT it worked fine.
[21:03] <len-dt> The system hard drives were not a problem.
[21:05] <len-dt> (the USB stick had xubuntu 12.10 on it if I remember right)
[21:06] <Guest25113> I only have input devices and an empty card reader attached via usb
[21:07] <len-dt> Not the same then.


[09:25] <rmg51> Morning
[11:49] <icey> ahoy
[12:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[13:30] <lazyPower> o/
[15:26] <ChinnoDog> morning