[08:36] <xubuntu71d> help
[08:37] <xubuntu71d> galiumos gave me sound chromebook updated to xubuntu lost sound??
[08:38] <diogenes_Vx15> xubuntu71d, provide more details.
[08:39] <xubuntu71d> like what
[08:39] <xubuntu71d> asus flip c302
[08:40] <xubuntu71d> was thinking if its running on 18.04 ubuntu working then when it updates i loose sound how do i keep audio files from galium
[08:41] <diogenes_Vx15> so it's running GalliumOS?
[08:42] <xubuntu71d> xubuntu
[08:42] <xubuntu71d> was running galiumos but it was only running ubuntu 18.4
[08:44] <diogenes_Vx15> ok let's see, run: sudo apt install inxi
[08:45] <diogenes_Vx15> after that run: inxi -Axxc0 | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:45] <diogenes_Vx15> share the output url.
[08:46] <xubuntu71d> https://termbin.com/1zje
[08:48] <diogenes_Vx15> now run this: speaker-test -c2 -t wav
[08:48] <diogenes_Vx15> tell me what you see and if you hear anything?
[08:48] <diogenes_Vx15> but don't paste here anything.
[08:50] <xubuntu71d> its running but no audio shows installed drives was working in galium 18.4 ubuntu
[08:52] <diogenes_Vx15> xubuntu71d, now open: pavucontrol
[08:53] <diogenes_Vx15> first go to Output section and see what's there under Port:
[08:53] <xubuntu71d> dummy output
[08:53] <diogenes_Vx15> then go to Configure section and see what's there under Profiles.
[08:54] <diogenes_Vx15> try different profiles.
[08:54] <xubuntu71d> no card available under config
[08:57] <diogenes_Vx15> xubuntu71d, run: aplay -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:58] <xubuntu71d> aplay: device_list:274: no soundcards found
[09:00] <diogenes_Vx15> run: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[09:01] <diogenes_Vx15> after that run the previous command again.
[09:01] <xubuntu71d> still nothing
[09:04] <xubuntu71d> i jave a toshiba 2 xubuntu it set sound after install the flip had then didnt
[09:08] <diogenes_Vx15> run: sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:09] <xubuntu71d> https://termbin.com/sb84
[09:18] <diogenes_Vx15> run: pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY mousepad /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[09:18] <diogenes_Vx15> do you see anything there in that file?
[09:20] <xubuntu71d> no such file or directoty
[09:20] <xubuntu71d> directory
[09:23] <diogenes_Vx15> ok let's create it: sudo touch /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[09:23] <diogenes_Vx15> after that: pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY mousepad /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[09:24] <xubuntu71d> user/bin/env no file or directory
[09:28] <diogenes_Vx15_> xubuntu71d, sorry got disconnected, what was the last line i gave you?
[09:28] <xubuntu71d> pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY mousepad /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[09:29] <diogenes_Vx15_> options snd-hda-intel model=auto
[09:29] <diogenes_Vx15_> add this line into that file ^^^
[09:29] <diogenes_Vx15_> save, close and run: save, close and run: cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:31] <xubuntu71d> https://termbin.com/6vbv
[09:32] <diogenes_Vx15_> omg what a hacky mess is that file
[09:33] <xubuntu71d> very much a heache
[09:33] <diogenes_Vx15_> run this command: sudo mv /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ~/Documents
[09:34] <xubuntu71d> it created a file
[09:34] <diogenes_Vx15_> nope it didn't, it moved that file to Documents
[09:35] <diogenes_Vx15_> that's just a backup
[09:35] <diogenes_Vx15_> now run: echo "options snd-hda-intel model=auto" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[09:35] <xubuntu71d> what do i do with it
[09:35] <diogenes_Vx15_> after that run again: cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:36] <xubuntu71d> options snd-hda-intel model=auto
[09:36] <diogenes_Vx15_> share the url.
[09:36] <xubuntu71d> https://termbin.com/xft7
[09:37] <diogenes_Vx15_> now run: rm ~/.config/pavucontrol.ini
[09:37] <xubuntu71d> still shows dummy output
[09:37] <xubuntu71d> ran it
[09:38] <diogenes_Vx15_> wait that's not all don't rush.
[09:38] <diogenes_Vx15_> now run: mv ~/.config/pulse ~/.config/pulse.bak
[09:40] <xubuntu71d> it changed audio
[09:40] <diogenes_Vx15_> now run: sudo update-initramfs -u
[09:41] <diogenes_Vx15_> after that reboot.
[09:42] <xubuntu71d> I: The initramfs will attempt to resume from /dev/dm-1
[09:42] <xubuntu71d> I: (/dev/mapper/vgxubuntu-swap_1)
[09:42] <xubuntu71d> I: Set the RESUME variable to override this
[09:42] <diogenes_Vx15_> ignore that message, just reboot.
[09:49] <xubuntu71d> as soon as i reset it went back to dummy audio
[09:51] <diogenes_Vx15_> still no soud?
[09:52] <xubuntu71d> no was close it said pulse now back to dummy
[09:52] <diogenes_Vx15_> run: pulseaudio -k
[09:53] <diogenes_Vx15_> wait a few seconds and try sound.
[09:53] <xubuntu71d> still says dummy output
[09:53] <diogenes_Vx15_> also see if: aplay -l
[09:53] <diogenes_Vx15_> see if it detects the card.
[09:54] <xubuntu71d> aplay: device_list:274: no soundcards found...
[09:54] <diogenes_Vx15_> let's try this: echo "options snd_intel_dspcfg dsp_driver=4" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[09:54] <diogenes_Vx15_> cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[09:55] <diogenes_Vx15_> see if it says: options snd_intel_dspcfg dsp_driver=4
[09:55] <xubuntu71d> it does
[09:55] <diogenes_Vx15_> after that run: sudo update-initramfs -u
[09:55] <diogenes_Vx15_> and reboot.
[09:57] <xubuntu71d> still no sound
[09:59] <diogenes_Vx15_> ok that's bad, most likely you need a BIOS update.
[10:00] <diogenes_Vx15_> also you can try a xanmode kernel just in case.
[19:26] <kaiky> oi
[19:26] <kaiky> voces podem me ajudar?
[19:26] <kaiky> i can help me?
[19:27] <kaiky> i need a reset my linux
[19:42] <kaiky> +i
[22:33] <kernel-slanders> New to this Chat, ant tips?


[00:13] <jimmy51vinsky> cheers.  how do i access a share on a windows machine from my new xubuntu machine?
[00:17] <cody-somerville> jimmy51vinsky, You'll need to install a samba client.
[00:17] <cody-somerville> Such as PyNeighborhood
[00:18] <jimmy51vinsky> is this a good idea:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131&highlight=Thunar+Native+Windows+Network+Browsing  ?
[00:24] <cody-somerville> jimmy51vinsky, Sure
[00:25] <PsynoKhi0> can hidden settings folders in a seperate /home partition cause system lockups after an Ubuntu release upgrade?
[00:37] <zoredache> PsynoKhi0: generally it shouldn't.  But there is always a chance that an obscure configuration item from a older version of a program could cause problems
[00:38] <PsynoKhi0> gonna run a memtest just to be sure
[00:38] <zoredache> You could simply add a second account and see if the problem happens in the other account
[01:04] <sprauekraut> I've been having a problem with my wireless interface.  It seems to lose connection every hour or so, and the only way I'm able to get connection back is by ifup/ifdown.  For some additional info, I'm using a static IP addy and i use the Broadcom 43xx driver.  Xubuntu 7.10.
[01:07] <pfischer> hey guys....just upgraded to hardy heron
[01:08] <pfischer> have noticed some wierd behavior
[01:08] <pfischer> locking up with firefox
[01:08] <pfischer> the terminal is also all blury and messed up....almost unreadable
[01:09] <pfischer> installed aterm and it is fine mind you
[01:09] <pfischer> anyone else getting this kind of stuff?
[01:09] <pfischer> i am on an ibm t21
[01:09] <pfischer> i was using xubuntu befor the upgrade and it was fine
[01:09] <pfischer> allo?
[01:09] <pfischer> anyone?
[01:11] <vidd> im here...just dont know what to tell ya
[01:12] <vidd> you have a live cd?
[01:12] <pfischer> up nope....
[01:12] <pfischer> i had the older version of xubuntu and i did an upgrade to hardy heron
[01:13] <pfischer> the old version of xubuntu had absolutly no issues
[01:13] <pfischer> i bet if i do a fresh install it will be fine.....
[01:14] <vidd> would you like a simple way to do a "almost clean" install?
[01:14] <vidd> without losing any of your data files?
[01:19] <vidd> pfischer, if you apt-get remove --purge x11-common && apt-get autoremove, it will remove the window manager and the config files for them
[01:19] <vidd> you can then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop to get the manager back
[01:20] <pfischer> hmm interesting
[01:20] <pfischer> you think it is an xwindows problem?
[01:20] <vidd> so its almost like a clean install
[01:20] <vidd> yes
[01:21] <vidd> are you getting clean text when you switch to a tty?
[01:21] <vidd> [ctrl][alt][f1]
[01:22] <pfischer> yeah cept you do not remove the kernel
[01:23] <vidd> that is correct...you dont need to remove the kernel
[01:23] <sprauekraut> anyone have any ideas on my wireless woes? I've been having a problem with my wireless interface.  It seems to lose connection every hour or so, and the only way I'm able to get connection back is by ifup/ifdown.  For some additional info, I'm using a static IP addy and i use the Broadcom 43xx driver.  Xubuntu 7.10.
[01:23] <pfischer> or shell
[01:23] <pfischer> yeah i can try it
[01:23] <pfischer> i have no data on here rreally....just use this laptop for learning python
[01:24] <vidd> what is the actual chipset?
[01:24] <zoredache> sprauekraut: the way I solve most of my wireless issues is to give up and then buy a card that that works
[01:24] <sprauekraut> zoredache: haha, if you're made of money!
[01:24] <sprauekraut> vidd: you asking me?
[01:25] <vidd> sprauekraut, yes
[01:25] <sprauekraut> "Firmware for Broadcom 43xx chipset family"
[01:25] <sprauekraut> thats from my "Restricted Drivers" dialog
[01:25] <vidd> open a terminal
[01:25] <sprauekraut> aight
[01:25] <sprauekraut> now?
[01:26] <vidd> lspci (if pci-based) or lsusb (if usb-based)
[01:26] <sprauekraut> bcm4306
[01:27] <vidd> what encryption you using?
[01:27] <sprauekraut> WEP
[01:27] <vidd> i have the same equiptment, not having the issue
[01:27] <vidd> =\
[01:27] <sprauekraut> really? its only been recently
[01:28] <sprauekraut> that this has been a problem
[01:28] <sprauekraut> its really weird, like, if i just do 'ifdown eth1/ifup eth1" it works
[01:28] <sprauekraut> i was trying to do a hack by having a cron job do that every hour, but not sure how to get around the sudo issue (having to type in my password)
[01:28] <vidd> have you set your static IP to something outside the DHCP range of the router?
[01:29] <sprauekraut> nope
[01:29] <vidd> see if that helps any
[01:29] <sprauekraut> okay, lemme give that a try for a while and see
[01:29] <kpel> hi
[01:30] <sprauekraut> I have DHCP turned off on the router anyways, so should that even matteR?
[01:30] <vidd> if dhcp is off, then yes...your IP is outside the DHCP range
[01:31] <sprauekraut> okay yeah, still no dice then
[01:32] <vidd> have you verified that no other computer is connecting to your network with the same ip?
[01:32] <sprauekraut> not really, im installing wireshark right now so i can view network traffic
[01:32] <sprauekraut> i have four machines, and none of them should have the same IP
[01:33] <sprauekraut> and I know that, but I haven't verified, so I'll have to do that
[01:33] <sprauekraut> im like 99 percent sure that there is no ip conflicts
[01:34] <vidd> you also want to make sure you dont have someone trying to access your network from outside your control
[01:34] <sprauekraut> yeah thats what i keep thinking
[01:34] <vidd> try changing your WEP code, and set up MAC filtering
[01:35] <sprauekraut> that might be a good idea
[01:35] <sprauekraut> do you know how i can easily find my MAC addy?
[01:35] <vidd> ifconfig will tell you it
[01:36] <sprauekraut> oh yeah duh
[01:36] <sprauekraut> thanks
[01:36] <vidd>  HWaddr xx:xx:
[01:36] <vidd> =]
[01:48] <vidd> sprauekraut, you might want to change your WEP key a couple times a mounth
[01:59] <PsynoKhi0> well well.... looks like yet another IRQ issue
[02:34] <saint-takeshi> hey
[02:36] <saint-takeshi> anyone got an acer aspire 5315 or a simillar notebook with an intel gm965 X3100?
[02:40] <saint-takeshi> having serious trouble with the videocard
[03:05] <maxtreme90221> Does anyone know how to mount partitions to show up as disk drives in thunar fm rather than folders? im using hardy heron
[03:06] <maxtreme90221> cus in xubuntu 7.10 it used to do that automatically
[05:06] <Finnisher> Was there any way to do battery calibration on xubuntu again?
[05:07] <maxamillion> not that i know of .... i believe the only xfce plugin for batteries will just monitor the charge
[05:53] <Finnisher> any command line tools then?
[06:59] <gaurdro> if you really want to recalibrate your battery:  let it fully charge turn on xubuntu,  and drain it until it dies.  keep in mind this may impact your batteries longevity
[07:07] <wallybuntu> i see u guys talking about batteries... has anyone ever tried that diy where you cut open your laptop battery case and replace whats inside with rechargeable AA batts?
[07:11] <gaurdro> nope
[07:12]  * gaurdro is afraid of lithium ions
[07:14] <zoredache> what, are you affraid of exploding?  Exploding is fun
[07:16] <gaurdro> I was burned by a ruptured Lion  battery,  since then,  I stay away.  not to say that I haven't set a few ablaze since then
[08:06] <Finnisher> where was the log available again?
[08:08] <ere4si> Finnisher: how did it work out with the install?
[08:09] <Finnisher> yes, I got it installed and it prompts for password at startup...
[08:09] <Finnisher> next issues would be setting custom dns servers for wvdial and battery recalibration
[08:09] <Finnisher> at startup -> at boot   actually
[08:10] <ere4si> password at grub?
[08:11] <Finnisher> I can only assume it is grub, but before it loads anything, it asks for password, yes
[08:11] <Finnisher> and it accepts the password I set when setting up encrypted LVM
[08:11] <Finnisher> ...which is not the same passwd as the os itself
[08:11] <ere4si> there's an option in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file that will set a password
[08:12] <ere4si> but I don't know about encrypted filesystems
[08:12] <Finnisher> but would that reduce the security hugely?
[08:12] <Finnisher> if the password is in unencrypted / hashed form in unencrypted partition
[08:12] <Finnisher> o_O
[08:13] <ere4si> I've never used it
[08:13] <Finnisher> I'd rather keep the encryption password all for myself, thank you ^_^
[08:13] <ere4si> :)
[08:13] <Finnisher> anyway, custom dns servers for wvdial and battery recalibration, any ideas?
[08:13] <Finnisher> maybe I should check out #ubuntu since these aren't really xubuntu-specific anymore
[08:14] <ere4si> I wouldn't know...
[08:37] <zoredache> Finnisher: there is no stored version of your password for encrypted lvm anywhere on the driv e
[08:39] <zoredache> when setting up the dm-crypt with luks basically what happens is a large  encryption key for the volume is created.    If you want to shutdown use a command like 'sudo shutdown -h now'
[08:49] <wallybuntu> ahhhhh,,,,,,, ok
[08:49] <zoredache> kill in its meanest form could interupt applications that haven't saved all there data yet
[08:49] <wallybuntu> well i'm wiped out.  time to try that.
[08:50] <wallybuntu> nite all
[10:04] <mossy> hi
[10:04] <mossy> my xfce resolution is horrible
[10:04] <mossy> i cant see anything, its all big
[10:04] <mossy> how can i fix it?
[10:04] <mossy> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg craps out
[10:24] <VT> Hello, im in need of some help. Everytime i plug my USB memory stick in, 3 Thunar windows pop up?
[10:31] <illiterate> work well?
[10:32] <kgx> hi, im installing trying to install xubuntu 8.04 and it goes to a "busy box" screen after choosing to install. md5sum check pass perfectly. any idea what could be wrong?
[10:37] <illiterate> can't find the disk
[10:47] <nicholas> Hello
[10:47] <nicholas> Ive some questions about ShellScripts
[10:47] <nicholas> please pm me
[10:53] <nicholas> Hello, Someone here ?
[11:09] <siggjen> nicholas: what is your problem?
[11:13] <VT> Hello, im in need of some help. Everytime i plug my USB memory stick in, 3 Thunar windows pop up?
[11:27] <PsynoKhi0> acpi and USB on a shared IRQ, dangerous or not?
[11:35] <ere4si> PsynoKhi0: was it something you chose?
[11:35] <ere4si> VT: what files are they mounted on?
[11:36] <PsynoKhi0> ere4si: yes and no "nopaic nolapic pci=noacpi" in grub... looking for the reasons behind system lockups
[11:37] <ere4si> PsynoKhi0: using a laptop?
[11:37] <PsynoKhi0> ere4si: no, pre-2000 desktop
[11:38] <ere4si> PsynoKhi0: I'd do a memory check
[11:38] <PsynoKhi0> done
[11:38] <ere4si> memtest
[11:40] <ere4si> PsynoKhi0: anything in /var/log/syslog?
[11:43] <PsynoKhi0> ere4si: not much more than the standard dmesg and firestarter logs
[11:44] <ere4si> PsynoKhi0: has the memory been reseated recently? - can be an issue with older comps
[11:45] <PsynoKhi0> not in a while no... last time was maybe right after the upgrade to gutsy
[11:46] <PsynoKhi0> ere4si: so far the lockups have happened once I had an internet connection up and running and trying to launch some heavy stuff (for this comp that is)
[11:48] <PsynoKhi0> brb gonna try something
[12:25] <ere4si> PsynoKhi0: any luck?
[12:25] <PsynoKhi0> nope
[12:28] <PsynoKhi0> lockup when trying to launch opearena, wesnoth, a big AVI...
[12:28] <PsynoKhi0> the too latter aren't an issue unless I have my connection up and running afaik
[12:29] <ere4si> PsynoKhi0: that's cpu intensive stuff - is it something like a loose heatsink?
[12:31] <PsynoKhi0> seems to sit nicely, I haven't touched it ever since I started using that box again (xubuntu 7.04)
[12:33] <PsynoKhi0> btw I'm using serial mouse... aren't those picky about IRQ priorities?
[12:33] <ere4si> is it a new thing since installing hardy or similar?
[12:33] <PsynoKhi0> ere4si: pretty much
[12:34] <PsynoKhi0> I had to play  around with grub boot options and bios settings in fiesty and gutsy but that was to try and get my USB working
[12:36] <ere4si> PsynoKhi0: well, I naturally think hardware when it comes to lockups - don't know what else to suggest then - sorry
[12:38] <PsynoKhi0> http://cae.best.vwh.net/irqtune/ not exactly the most recent page but as I said I have a serial mouse on that computer
[12:41] <PsynoKhi0> when I first installed feisty, I had to plug in a PS/2 mouse instead till I learned how to configure xorg to get my serial mouse to work... I remember having to change some bios settings afterwards too
[12:42] <PsynoKhi0> anyway that's getting on my nerves :)
[12:45] <sancas> help me
[12:46] <sancas>
[12:46] <sancas> I have tried almost all versions of Cedega in Xubuntu 8.04 but ... I have never stopped playing, also probe to install the software with the wine nor anda
[13:00] <bomBeR> ola gente,que tal usar xubuntu para usar de servidor?
[13:00] <bomBeR> alguien a tenido problemas?
[13:02] <bomBeR> y otra pregunta en el repositorio ai una version desktop y alternate la alternate que es?
[13:02] <totalwormface> !english
[13:02] <totalwormface> :[
[13:02] <bomBeR> ou sorry
[13:02] <bomBeR> hello xD
[13:02] <totalwormface> hello!
[13:02] <totalwormface> :D
[13:03] <bomBeR> my english is bad but i try
[13:03] <totalwormface> maybe there is a french ubuntu help channel
[13:03] <bomBeR> um
[13:03] <bomBeR> so can i try in english ? ::D
[13:04] <totalwormface> you could try :P
[13:05] <bomBeR> i think to start up a server machine with xubuntu and i need to know if anybody here have problem with xubuntu server use
[13:05] <bomBeR> is good for server xubuntu?
[13:05] <bomBeR> you understand? xD
[13:06] <totalwormface> xubuntu is good as a server, yes
[13:06] <totalwormface> if you need the graphical input
[13:06] <bomBeR> yes
[13:06] <totalwormface> then it's ok
[13:06] <totalwormface> :]
[13:06] <bomBeR> but i look in the repository in xubuntu have two versions to download alternate and desktop
[13:07] <totalwormface> yes
[13:07] <bomBeR> alternate ?
[13:07] <bomBeR> what its this
[13:07] <totalwormface> you can try the alternate if the desktop fails :]
[13:07] <bomBeR> aaaaaah!
[13:07] <VT> ere4si, 3 thunar windows pop up with /media/disk
[13:07] <totalwormface> if you're having trouble booting the desktop cd
[13:07] <bomBeR> ok ok
[13:08] <bomBeR> thanks totalwormface :P
[13:08] <totalwormface> no problem! :]
[13:08] <VT> does network manager support 802.1x wireless?
[13:58] <VT> why does 3 file manager windows pop up when i plug in my usb memory stick, they all open /media/Disk
[13:59] <petoj> hi, how to restore closed panel in xubuntu please?
[14:01] <alado2> can anyone give me a tip of a small app that can batch shrink images?
[14:04] <siggjen> convert
 is that the name of the app?
[14:05] <siggjen> type it in a terminal or sth
[14:06] <siggjen> man convert for syntax
[14:06] <MiKa^> petoj: run xfce4-panel
[14:07] <petoj> MiKa^, thx
[14:07] <MiKa^> no probs.
[14:07] <siggjen> you might need to use bash' power to get the program to do a batch job
[14:20] <PsynoKhi0> argh dang... aspell, ispell, myspell... are all needed?
[14:52] <AsukaLangley> yo
[14:52] <AsukaLangley> so bobi.. why is there a part in the news what says > preinstalled pulseaudio by default?
[14:52] <AsukaLangley> I don't care as long as you don't say false things
[14:53] <bobi> which news do you mean?
[14:54] <AsukaLangley> http://xubuntu.com/news/hardy/release
[14:54] <AsukaLangley> New Features since Xubuntu 7.10
[14:54] <AsukaLangley> "PulseAudio: The release candidate comes preinstalled with the  PulseAudio sound server"
[14:54] <AsukaLangley> or the final lost the release candidate feature? :))
[14:54] <bobi> oh, didn't see that
[14:55] <AsukaLangley> lol.. :)
[14:55] <AsukaLangley> "File systems are now mounted with the relatime" < typo
[14:55] <AsukaLangley> if you start to fix the news ... and thanks for it
[14:55] <bobi> ok, however, what's your exact problem?
[14:55] <AsukaLangley> the lack of the PulseAudio default
[14:55] <AsukaLangley> as I said in -dev too
[14:56] <bobi> didn't you say, you have problems installing it?
[14:57] <AsukaLangley> wait..why do you ask about the install problem? .. If I'm according to the news, then it would at least find the "pulseaudio" command by typing it into console
[14:58] <AsukaLangley> and even if I install, I wasn't be able to get it work. But thats maybe a PEBKAC, a fault of mine.. but still..
[15:00] <bobi> according to the website it should be there, if not sudo apt-get install pulseaudio will do the job
[15:01] <bobi> but i still don't understand the problem
[15:01] <Ateeb> hey. if I am using xubuntu on my VDS. and multiple users are connected to it through NX client or something. will they all see the same desktop or different desktops?
[15:01] <AsukaLangley> it should be installed .. not? I guess preinstalling means something like that
[15:03] <bobi> i'm not responsible for the website nor for the release notes. the only thing i can help you out is, when you tell me the concrete problem, when trying to get pulseaudio installed or running
[15:04] <AsukaLangley> okay..then I will use that help later
[15:04] <AsukaLangley> I have Ubuntu ATM..cause it works at least
[15:04] <bobi> ok
[15:05] <wallybuntu> hey guys. something driving me crazy.  every time i start xubuntu up, the update manager starts, and i don't know how to stop it.  its unchecked in the autostarted applications section of the menu, so i don't know/can't figure what gives.  this is gutsy btw.
[15:06] <AsukaLangley> I never had such problem on Gutsy :S ... but what do you mean? The GUI package manager (syanptic) starts?
[15:06] <AsukaLangley> (like KDE remembers the last apps ?)
[15:07] <wallybuntu> not the synaptic, but the 'update manager'
[15:07] <AsukaLangley> ahh.. there is an option what says "check updates every" -> XYtime
[15:07] <wallybuntu> this laptop is so old and slow that its really a pain to wait for it to process up
[15:07] <AsukaLangley> uhm..maybe.. a sec
[15:08] <wallybuntu> i have the software sources update set to check daily, but on other machines i run it never starts up like that.  if theres updates it puts the notifier icon up in the panel until i click on it...
[15:09] <AsukaLangley> huhm...so you're removed it from session + the whole update manager start.. hmm..
[15:10] <AsukaLangley> at least ... remove it and use aptitude? :) (im just joking ...)
[15:10] <wallybuntu> hmmm.  ya, its really bugging me out.
[15:11]  * wallybuntu is all bugged out
[15:27] <Ahmed> If I use xubuntu on my VPS, and multiple users are connected to it via NX client or something. Will they all see different desktops or the same one?
[17:19] <cleaton> hello, how can i make xubuntu automount cd's and dvd's?
[17:30] <HermanChess> where can I install libxfce4panel-1.0  ??
[17:45] <zoredache> sorry?
[17:51] <Kaemon12433> Ello~!
[17:52] <Kaemon12433> Everything is fixed now!
[17:52] <Kaemon12433> Xubuntu runs fine
[17:52] <Kaemon12433> and the network and router are running just as perfect
[18:01] <Kaemon12433> hey ummm
[18:01] <Kaemon12433> xubuntu cant get viruses right??
[18:08] <Kaemon12433> right?
[18:14] <cleaton> it can, but that's unlikely
[18:14] <cleaton> as there aren't many viruses, or any viruses at all out there for it
[18:15] <Kaemon12433> hmmm
[18:15] <Kaemon12433> good
[18:15] <Kaemon12433> so it does'nt get any windows type viruses
[18:15] <Kaemon12433> because linux is a diffrent filesystem
[18:15] <cleaton> no it can't get windows viruses
[18:15] <cleaton> it's different in most ways
[18:16] <Odd-rationale> !virus
[18:16] <Odd-rationale> hmm. no bots... :(
[18:17] <cleaton> Kaemon12433, also xubuntu has a great firewall on by default
[18:17] <Kaemon12433> i did'nt know that
[18:17] <Kaemon12433> wow
[18:17] <cleaton> that was one of the problems windows had
[18:17] <Kaemon12433> i see
[18:17] <Kaemon12433> wow
[18:17] <cleaton> before windows xp sp2 windows never had a firewall on by default and was completely open
[18:17] <Kaemon12433> i'm loving linux more and more everyday!
 A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[18:18] <Kaemon12433> kk
[18:18] <Odd-rationale> cleaton: is ufw on by defualt?
[18:19] <cleaton> ufw is just a tool to edit iptables
[18:19] <cleaton> iptables is the firewall
[18:19] <Odd-rationale> ok. i get what you are saying now
[18:19] <cleaton> and yes, it should be installed by default
[18:19] <cleaton> but i don't think ufw has a gui?
[18:19] <Odd-rationale> becuase doing "sudo ufw status" says that it is not loaded.
[18:20] <Odd-rationale> no ufw has no gui
[18:20] <cleaton> it's more fore easy configuration of http servers
[18:20] <cleaton> ufw http, should open port 80
[18:20] <cleaton> and so on
[18:20] <Odd-rationale> ufw seems pretty cool
[18:20] <cleaton> yeah for a server administrator it's great
[18:21] <cleaton> because iptables can be a mess
[18:21] <Mannequin> hi
[18:21] <Mannequin> I'm on 7.10
[18:21] <cleaton> i like firestaarter
[18:21] <cleaton> firestarter*
[18:21] <Mannequin> I swear I haven't touch anything, but suddenly icons/desktop theme has suddenly changed!
[18:21] <Mannequin> there is a green littly guy where there used to be a door
[18:22] <Mannequin> and Places icon has changed too
[18:22] <Mannequin> scrollbars and windows too
[18:22] <Odd-rationale> Mannequin: seems like your system fell back to the default scheme instaed of the xubuntu one...
[18:22] <Mannequin> maybe I pressed some shortcut without noticing
[18:23] <Odd-rationale> Mannequin: raleigh i think is the name
[18:23] <Odd-rationale> Mannequin: was it like that the moment you logged on?
[18:23] <Mannequin> Odd-rationale: thanks
[18:23] <Odd-rationale> Mannequin: You fixed it?
[18:23] <Mannequin> Odd-rationale: no, it was suddenly, while doing "nothing" (nothing outside what I always do)
[18:23] <Mannequin> yes!
[18:23] <Odd-rationale> Mannequin: ok!
[18:24] <Mannequin> I just went to Settings -> ... and even before I clicked on "Destkop settings", the theme automagically changed back
[18:24] <Mannequin> really weird
[18:27] <cleaton> anyone else then me has this problem with xubuntu 8.04 that cd's and dvd's aren't mounting?
[18:30] <mike-ekim> anyone know why xhost +localhost tlels me "cannot open display "" "??
[18:33] <zoredache> mike-ekim: probably because you are running as root and you don't have your DISPLAY variable set
[18:34] <mike-ekim> oh.
[18:34] <zoredache> do an sudo -s instead of sudo su -
[18:35] <mike-ekim> how can I set it
[18:35] <mike-ekim> echo $DISPLAY shows nothing
[18:36] <Odd-rationale> zoredache: how is that different from sudo -i ?
[18:38] <zoredache> -i similates a login
[18:38] <zoredache> root will not inherit any of the enviroment information like your DISPLAY value
[18:39] <zoredache> sudo -s starts a shell that will have all the enviroment from your regular account including your DISPLAY
[18:44] <HermanChess_> how can I prevent nautilus from opening ?
[18:46] <mike-ekim> i dont get it
[18:47] <mike-ekim> I just reinstalled a new operating suystem with ubuntu desktop, and i still have no DISPLAY variable set
[18:47] <mike-ekim> i am logged in currently only through ssh
[18:47] <zoredache> eh?
[18:47] <zoredache> what OS are you sshing from?
[18:49] <zoredache> when you are running a GUI program remotely through ssh where are you expecting the output to go?  The console of the computer you are connected to or the console of the machine you are connecting from?
[18:50] <zoredache> If you are connecting from an OS that has a working X11 then you should be able to ssh with the '-X' paramater.  This will automatically set the DISPLAY to send gui apps back to the computer you are connecting from
[19:24] <mike-ekim> i just managed to set up x11vnc, how can i protect this with password authentication?
[19:24] <zoredache> bind x11vnc to the localhost interface only, and then only access it through an ssh tunnel
[19:25] <zoredache> or check the x11vnc man page... there is a way for it to save a password.  It isn't particularly secure though
[19:25] <sweetsinse> does anyone encounter a bug in hadry...specifically xubuntu....where the default applications list is empty; in that firefox does not know how to open ANY file???
[19:26] <sweetsinse> it doesnt know the default app for any mimetype
[19:26] <Hasone> why pick xubuntu over, say, ubuntu?
[19:26] <Hasone> or kubuntu?
[19:26] <sweetsinse> i have already deleted mimeTypes.rdf
[19:26] <sweetsinse> xfce is the reason for me
[19:27] <zoredache> Hasone: xubuntu tends to be more minimialist... it application with less bells-and-whistles
[19:27] <Hasone> xfce moscly uses files to change settings? is it n00b-unfriendly?
[19:27] <zoredache> In some cases this means xfce can be faster
[19:27] <zoredache> xubuntu is mostly noob friendly there are still rough spots
[19:28] <sweetsinse> there is only thing that bother me about xfce---inability to graphically edit the menus---other than that way faster than gnome and WAY faster than kde
[19:28] <Hasone> what about language localization?
[19:29] <sweetsinse> i kno someone has encountered that bug with firefox 3
[19:29] <sweetsinse> it works fine in gnome
[19:33] <mike-ekim> is kubuntu window manager more RAM hungry than gnome?
[19:34] <mike-ekim> damn.. is there a way to launch an application without a window manager? and have some type of remote access to it
[19:34] <zoredache> what OS are you connecting from mike-ekim
[19:35] <alexandru> is `unlock' feature supposed to work?
[19:40] <floating> wgat ybkicj[
[19:43] <redwhitewaldo> i xkill-ed my panel. how do i bring it back
[19:44] <zoredache> redwhitewaldo: run 'xfce4-panel'
[19:44] <redwhitewaldo> zoredache: thanks.
[19:54] <alexandru> how do i mount a samba share?
[19:55] <alexandru> i don't have the corresponding program mount.smbfs
[19:56] <zoredache> install the smbfs package
[19:56] <zoredache> oh, and I suggest you use mount.cifs instead of mount.smbfs
[19:57] <alexandru> cifs?
[19:57] <zoredache> you might also want to look at installing fusesmb
[19:57] <zoredache> CIFS is the 'standard' name for SMB
[19:58] <alexandru> how secure is samba by default?
[19:58] <zoredache> mount.cifs for example will not allow you to transfer a file larger then 2GB
[19:58] <alexandru> oh... interesting... then, why do I need mount.cifs?
[19:58] <zoredache> if you are just using samba as a client there is no significant additional security exposure
[19:59] <zoredache> you need mount.cifs because you can't transfer your ripped DVD isos with mount.smbfs
[20:02] <alexandru> i'm using samba as a server also
[20:02] <alexandru> i need to share some files between a windows and a 2 linux machines
[20:02] <alexandru> i'm using my laptop as a server (the other two are virtual machines)
[20:02] <alexandru> i have some problems configuring samba
[20:03] <alexandru> i enabled homes section
[20:03] <alexandru> but i get this when trying to mount
[20:03] <alexandru> ~$ smbclient -U voodoo -L localhost
[20:03] <alexandru> Password:
[20:03] <alexandru> session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[20:03] <zoredache> did you set the smbpassword for your voodoo account?
[20:06] <alexandru> hmm... no... forgot... 10x, works now
[20:06] <alexandru> how do I configure samba to use my linux account password?
[20:07] <zoredache> you would disable the encrypt password option... but keep in mind that doing so would preven win2k/winxp/win2k3/winvista from being able to connect to your server
[20:08] <zoredache> your unix account uses an different encrypted hash then what samba needs to be compatible with recent windows opoerating systems
[20:09] <zoredache> of course there is registry hacking you could do on the windows side to for windows to work in win9x mode.  But then you make samba extremely insecure
[20:11] <zoredache> it is generally better to just use the smbpasswd tool to set the password for each account that needs to login
[20:14] <alexandru> ok 10x... smbpasswd changes also the unix password? doesn't it?
[20:15] <zoredache> no
[20:16] <zoredache> or at least not by default.  There may be some kind of option to set that
[20:17] <alexandru> interfaces option is a kind of filter for samba?
[20:29] <alexandru> zoredache, one more question if you have patience :) how do I mount a subdir of a share?
[20:30] <alexandru> # mount -t smbfs \\\\<IP_ADDRESS>\\voodoo\\src ./src/ -o credentials=/etc/samba/credentials
[20:30] <alexandru> doesn't work
[20:30] <alexandru> where \\\\<IP_ADDRESS>\\voodoo is the share
[20:33] <HermanChess> how can I prevent gnome-terminal from starting up in xfce?
[21:57] <gaurdro> does anyone know if something run under sudo will show up as sudo in top or what was run?
[22:00] <ere4si> as what was run
[22:02] <gaurdro> I dunno,  i notice that the governer was constantly setting my cpu to full on and a quick run of top shows sudo using 100%.  I don't know what was run with it that it's still running.
[22:03] <ere4si> in top there is a column for pid - sudo will have a number - press k then enter the pid for sudo
[22:04] <gaurdro> I did and as non-root it says operation not permitted as root it does nothing.
[22:05] <maxamillion> you might want to 'sudo apt-get install htop' ... htop is a much nicer utility
[22:06] <ere4si> gaurdro: I'd reboot
[22:06] <gaurdro> ooh pretty it has colors,  and the command that was run.  thanks
[22:06] <ere4si> htop worked then?
[22:07] <gaurdro> yes,
[22:08] <vladomirj> i just (like an hour ago) installed xubuntu hardy on my HP laptop. It was a fresh install, and now i am unable to mount external drives, so all the stuff i need to transfer is inaccessible. I had been working on Ubuntu Gutsy, so i'm not as familiar with xcfe. Suggestions
[22:12] <ere4si> vladomirj: have a look in    lsusb  and   df -h   to see if the externals show
[22:13] <vladomirj> ere4si: would i look in lsusb using gedit?
[22:13] <ere4si> vladomirj: lsusb is a terminal command
[22:14] <vladomirj> ere4si: should i throw the output for both in the pastebin, or just here (it's my first time in the channel)
[22:15] <ere4si> !paste | vladomirj
[22:15] <ere4si> where's the bot?
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> dunno...
[22:16] <ere4si> the bot works with a /msg... but not in here
[22:17] <vladomirj> ere4si: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9291/
[22:17] <maxamillion> there has been some recent termoil with the irc ops ... i think the bot is temporarily out of the channels due to some bot abuse
[22:17] <maxamillion> brb
[22:20] <ere4si> vladomirj: the system isn't recognising the externals as hard drives
[22:20] <vladomirj> exactly
[22:20] <ere4si> vladomirj: I'll need to read some to find a solution - one min
[22:20] <vladomirj> thank you
[22:27] <vladomirj> ere4si: sorry, i got knocked off
[22:28] <ere4si> vladomirj: s'ok still reading - can you in terminal do   dmesg | grep hal
[22:29] <vladomirj> ere4si: there's no output to that command
[22:29] <ere4si>  dmesg | grep hald   then?
[22:30] <vladomirj> nothing again
[22:32] <ere4si> vladomirj: I think it is a hal prob but have no experience with that - does the external show with   fdisk -l   ?
[22:34] <vladomirj> ere4si: i don't think so http://paste.ubuntu.com/9298/
[22:35] <ere4si> vladomirj: no it's not found
[22:36] <vladomirj> i have a wireless mouse that i plug into the usb which is working fine, so i dont believe that the usb ports are faulty
[22:43] <vladomirj> thanks for your help regardless, ere4si
[22:43] <ere4si> vladomirj: still reading but not finding much...


[07:45] <bambee> morning
[10:09] <Quintasan> yofel: kde-workspace_4.7.0-0ubuntu3~natty1~ppa4 uploaded, that should probably fix the taskbar launcher stuff
[10:25] <yofel> anyone tried to package digikam 2.0 yet?
[10:33] <debfx> yofel: don't think so
[10:39] <debfx> yofel: do you have time to file MIRs for prison and qrencode before FF?
[11:48] <yofel> debfx: I'm just trying to file the ITP for prison. The network is horrible here -.- but when I'm done with that I can do them.
[11:48] <yofel> I'll look at digikam later then
[12:07] <skfin> Thank you canonical
[12:07] <skfin> We run out of Kubuntu 11.04 cds at assembly computer festival
[12:07] <skfin> 75 Ubuntu CDs left over...
[12:07] <skfin> "You cant adjust the default mix"
[12:10] <skfin> Many asked kubuntu cds after those run out
[12:10] <yofel> :D
[12:10] <skfin> Sadly we had to say that we dont have those anymore
[12:10] <skfin> Actually there was more interest on Ubuntu 10.04 than 11.04
[12:10] <skfin> People have heard from unity
[12:11] <skfin> Very sad that LoCos cant adjust the default cd mix
[12:14] <yofel> at least you had some, here in berlin only the gnome and opensuse folks had cds to distribute
[12:14] <skfin> But...Kubuntu was more popular than Ubuntu, enjoy your success!
[12:15] <skfin> You really deserve it.
[12:15] <skfin> Now I have 75 Ubuntu CDs at home, what should I do with those ?
[12:15] <skfin> :D
[12:16] <tsimpson> shiny new coasters? ;)
[12:16] <tsimpson> or frisbees
[12:17] <tsimpson> or stick them together and make a disco-ball, lots of fun to have with unused CDs :)
[12:30] <Tm_Tr> I haz no ibook anymoar
[12:30] <Tm_Tr> skfin: alt
[12:33] <Tm_Tr> so, from >7 computers in this apartment, only one and a half are usable anymore
[12:34] <yofel> "a half" o.O
[12:36] <Tm_Tr> a half as in it has functioning parts, just aren't all installed
[12:40] <Tm_T> and it's in overall half of a modern computer
[12:59] <yofel> bah, digikam 2 ships libkface internally that has a hard dependency on opencv which is in universe
[13:44] <yofel> debfx: I never filed a mir so far, so does bug 822701 look right?
[13:45] <ScottK> yofel: We need to use the system libkface.
[13:45] <yofel> ScottK: we have no system libkface
[13:45] <ScottK> IIRC Digikam embedded multiple KDE graphics libs and we need to teach it to use ours.
[13:45] <yofel> (yet)
[13:45] <ScottK> yofel: OK.  Nevermind on that one then.
[13:46] <yofel> but true of kexiv etc.
[13:59] <ScottK> yofel and debfx: Just accepted the prison binaries.
[14:32] <debfx> yofel: the MIR looks good
[14:37] <KRF> hey guys. installed the kde 4.7 ppa for 11.04 yesterday. my task panel is behaving weirdly, it blinks randomly even though the application did not fire an event. is that known? didnt find a bug report about that yet.
[14:40] <yofel> KRF: not really, but that sounds something for bugs.kde.org
[14:40] <yofel> *sounds like something
[14:40] <ScottK> Could be X/video driver related too.
[14:41] <KRF> ouch, really?
[14:41] <ScottK> KRF: Does it still do it if display effects are disabled?
[14:41] <yofel> as I understood it only the app he's using flashes, not the whole panel
[14:41] <ScottK> That can be X.
[14:42] <ScottK> In Maverick only Chromium would flash/tear for me.  ~all other apps were fine.
[14:42] <KRF> ScottK: yep, still blinks randomly
[14:42] <ScottK> (just as an example)
[14:42] <KRF> not that random, but without obvious cause...
[14:42] <ScottK> KRF: OK.  I think bugs.kde.org is probably the best place then.
[14:43] <KRF> sure, just wondering why noone else reported a bug like this. if it's X related, that might be the cause.
[15:25] <KRF> ScottK: looks like you are really right, some guy (that experienced the same bug) just checked and downgraded his nvidia drivers. looks like the issue is solved when using the non-ppa nvidia drivers.
[15:25] <KRF> so, 280.x woes, 270.x seems to work.
[15:25] <ScottK> Ah.  There you go.  It's hard to know what weirdness X can cause.
[15:26] <ScottK> Glad it worked out.
[15:26] <KRF> yep, never thought that would be the issue...
[15:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh, do we have a more recent youbuntoo setup on those yet?
[15:43] <apachelogger> prolly won't get to fix the ices before next week though.
[15:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: No, but the oneiric chroot works on the old base system.
[15:43] <ScottK> Hopefully icecc gets sync'ed and it's all good.
[15:44] <apachelogger> kk
[16:02] <ScottK> Is there anyone around that can check if the torrents for the Kubuntu Alpha 3 images are still working?
[16:27] <ScottK> ryanakca: The powerpc Kubuntu Desktop image has been added to the released images for Alpha 3.  I was wondering if you could add an update: at the bottom of the release announcement to mention this (be sure to point people to the tech overview for warnings about the limited amount of testing it got).
[16:28] <ryanakca> ScottK: Sure
[16:28] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:28] <ScottK> Tm_T: ^^^
[16:30] <Tm_T> yay
[16:31] <Tm_T> ScottK: 1530.23 < Tm_Tr> I haz no ibook anymoar
[16:31] <Tm_T> to be more precise, ibook has no power
[16:31] <ScottK> Tm_T: Fixable or it's dead and gone forever?
[16:31] <ScottK> In any case your testing let us release the image.
[16:32] <Tm_T> ScottK: fixable if I find replacement part
[16:32] <ScottK> Good luck on that.
[16:32] <Tm_T> or make my own
[16:33] <Tm_T> power plug has been barely functional for a year, now it stopped working entirely
[16:33] <ScottK> ebay is often a good source for such things.
[16:33] <Tm_T> pin in the center has just crumbled into pieces, so there's no contact left
[16:33] <ScottK> That is going to make it tough.
[16:34] <Tm_T> I'm going to try to replace the plug, if that doesn't work then I need to find entire power supply
[16:35] <ryanakca> ScottK: D'you have a link to said tech overview?
[16:35] <ScottK> Isn't there one in the announcement already?
[16:35] <ScottK> ryanakca: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Alpha3/Kubuntu
[16:36] <ryanakca> ScottK: Ah, yes, that one. I thought you meant there was a ppc-specific one out there
[16:36] <ScottK> Ah.  No.  Just added a note to that one.
[16:36] <ScottK> You might want to add an anchor to the PPC note and link directly to it if you are feeling like being fancy.
[16:39] <ryanakca> ScottK: Done
[16:39] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks.
[16:50] <Quintasan> ScottK: Are KDs eligible for DMB?
[16:50] <ScottK> Quintasan: Yes.
[16:50] <ScottK> AFAIK anyway.
[16:50] <ScottK> The only Kubuntu person who's been on the DMB was also core-dev.
[16:50] <nigelb> sarah?
[16:51] <ScottK> No, nixternal.
[16:51] <nigelb> ah
[16:51] <Quintasan> ScottK: Oh, neat. Not that I'm applying though
[16:51] <nigelb> Quintasan: s/applying/applying yet/g
[16:51] <nigelb> ;)
[16:51] <Quintasan> nigelb: :D
[16:51] <Quintasan> Well, core-dev would be next stop for me
[16:52] <Quintasan> However I might want to ask apachelogger what to do before applying
[16:56] <Quintasan> ScottK: What KDE release will oneiric have?
[16:56] <ScottK> 4.7.1 or 2.
[16:56] <ScottK> Depends on when 4.7.2 comes out.
[16:57] <Quintasan> I see. Well, I'll pay some attention to testing those since I was wondering how on Earth a bug that was reported in 4.5.90 didn't get fixed in 4.7 yet
[16:59] <ScottK> Quite easily.
[17:00] <ScottK> A friend of mine that has resisted all attempts to get him to move past KDE3 was suprised to find a bug that was file in 3.5.7 or so finally did get fixed in KDE 4.4.
[17:02] <Quintasan> Ahh, KDE3 was a fine piece of software but IMO it was a good decision to ditch it and do something from scratch
[17:04] <ScottK> Generally I agree.
[17:04] <ScottK> I'm not yet convinced Akonadi was a good idea.
[17:05] <Quintasan> :D
[17:05] <ScottK> Between that and Nepomuk it kills low RAM systems.
[17:05] <Quintasan> Well, I never understood what the hell did they want to achieve with Akonadi so I'm not voicing any opinion on that
[17:06] <Quintasan> + I'm not using KMail
[17:07] <ScottK> Kmail is one of the main things that got me using KDE.
[17:08] <ScottK> It looks like, in round numbers, kmail + needed support RAM doubled KDE3 to KDE4 and then doubled again KDE4 to KDE4 + Akonadi.
[17:11] <Quintasan> I think this means that either the code is shit or you have too much mail ScottK :)
[17:11] <Quintasan> yofel: dh $@ --parallel --with kde --dbg-package=kde-config-telepathy-accounts-dbg
[17:11] <ScottK> I think efficiency wasn't a priority.
[17:12] <Quintasan> yofel: That apparently depracates override_dh_strip for most of our uses :P
[17:13] <Quintasan> ScottK: Isn't that the "defective by design" type of software?
[17:22] <bambee> evening
[17:24] <Quintasan> bambee: \o
[17:24] <bambee> Quintasan: yo!
[17:24] <bambee> what are the news from DS ?
[17:25]  * Quintasan shrugs
[17:25] <Quintasan> I have no idea. I'm swamped with work since I have family from France coming to visit me
[17:25] <ScottK> Quintasan: We'll see how it works out.
[17:26] <Quintasan> ScottK: I hope it will work nicely at some point in time
[17:26] <bambee> Quintasan: oh you've family in france? :)
[17:26] <Quintasan> bambee: Yes, IIRC they are from Carpentras
[17:28] <bambee> Quintasan: I don't know Capentras, is there a known city near to capentras?
[17:30] <bambee> carpentras*
[17:31] <Quintasan> bambee: Orange?
[17:31] <Quintasan> or Marseille is ~1h from there IIRC
[17:41] <bambee> omg... facebook is a nightmare for low connections :\
[18:18] <Daskreech> s/for low connections//
[18:45] <cyphermox> howdy.
[18:46] <cyphermox> ScottK: I'm pinging you because you appear to be the last who touched ntrack. any issues with updating ntrack to 014, which would allow it to be built against libnl3?
[18:47] <ScottK> cyphermox: I'd ask asac.  I touched it to fix a specific bug.  I don't have a general interest in the package.
[18:48] <cyphermox> ScottK: ok.  he suggested the update I was just wondering if you had an idea how tightly integrated it is in kde. It appears to be a depends on kde-runtime, and I'd like to avoid breaking that :)
[18:48] <ScottK> Just a moment.
[18:51] <cyphermox> it doesn't look too crazy
[19:03] <ScottK> cyphermox: Can you put it in a PPA so we can test it.
[19:04] <cyphermox> ScottK: sure
[19:09] <ScottK> cyphermox: Once you've got it built, then please rebuild kde-runtime against it.
[19:09] <ScottK> I'll be glad to test.
[19:14] <cyphermox> sure, I'll put that in the PPA with it. will be a few minutes I'm fixing the snapshot
[19:18] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:21] <ScottK> Just uploaded oxygen-gtk to the archive.
[19:21] <ScottK> It'll have to wait in line for AA review in New though.
[19:23] <debfx> I though we already have oxygen-gtk in the archive
[19:27] <debfx> as gtk2-engines-oxygen
[19:27] <debfx> ScottK: ^
[19:28] <ScottK> Sigh.
[19:29] <ScottK> I thought it was different.  I'll check.
[19:29] <ScottK> debfx: You're right.  Thanks.
[19:30] <ScottK> Rejected then.
[19:30] <ScottK> New version available though ...
[19:42] <sheytan> hey
[19:42] <sheytan> no amarok  pkg for natty yet?
[19:49] <blueyed> Why is it that starting amarok makes the sound stutter? Even from the last.fm app running in parallel (which works OK with amarok not running)? This is on a natty kubuntu.
[20:11] <yofel> sheytan: nobody got to do it, I'll look at it before going to bed
[20:19] <sheytan> yofel cool, thanks :)
[20:24] <charlie-tca> why are today's updates for Xubuntu installing new packages, looks like a lot of kubuntu?
[20:26] <charlie-tca> Is there a reason I want all these kde packages? http://paste.ubuntu.com/661402/
[20:27] <yofel> o.O
[20:27] <yofel> need to go, bb in ~30m
[20:29] <micahg> charlie-tca: probably due to the apt changes, some packages probably need to be retried
[20:33] <debfx> looks like apt figured out that kde supersedes xfce ;)
[20:34] <charlie-tca> oh, thanks :)
[20:35] <micahg> debfx: actually, more like kubuntu supersedes ubuntu
[20:35] <debfx> even better :P
[20:35] <charlie-tca> +1
[20:36] <debfx> charlie-tca: running aptitude -D full-upgrade tells you why it wants to install new packages
[21:09] <seawolf> after the last upgrade of kde 4.7,on kubuntu 11.04,the networkmanager is broken http://imagebin.org/167000
[21:13] <yofel> debfx: I'm not a d-bus expert, why isn't this installed in amarok? http://paste.kde.org/107551
[21:19] <yofel> seawolf: I'll fix it
[21:20] <yofel> Quintasan_: you can't do a staight backport of oneiric kde-workspace for natty. You need to install the NM solid libs again
[21:29] <yofel> I put a natty backport of amarok into ninjas. Can someone tell that so we can put that into backports? I've got no bandwidth here :/
[22:06] <yofel> seawolf: should be fixed
[22:07]  * yofel goes to bed, good night
[22:07] <seawolf> ok thank yofel good night :)
[22:22] <rbelem> apachelogger, ping


 http://linuxg.net/how-to-instal-hexchat-on-ubuntu-13-04-12-10-12-04-and-linux-mint-15-14-13/ ::
[07:02] <Maaz> "HexChat – An IRC chat program | Ubuntu Geek" http://www.ubuntugeek.com/hexchat-an-irc-cha…
[07:02] <32NAAO5JK> ISh lots of configs and things, i use thunderbird's chat
[07:06] <Kilos> lol
[07:06] <32NAAO5JK> I'm back to work on Monday then you can coach me step by step
[07:06] <Kilos> its easy man
[07:06] <Kilos> ok
[07:24] <Kilos> oh my
[07:24] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/115803-apartheid-to-blame-for-electricity-problems-zuma.html
[07:25] <Kilos> i wonder who did no maintenance or build new stations since 94
[09:02] <Kilos> bbl
[09:29] <32NAAO5JK> They must realy get over this apartheid thing, cant someone teach them another word.
[12:11] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:36] <charl> good afternoon
[12:36] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[12:36]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[12:36] <Kilos> hi charl
[12:37] <charl> hi Kilos
[12:37] <charl> how are you today
[12:37] <Kilos> good ty
[12:37] <Kilos> hows you
[12:40] <charl> good good
[12:40] <charl> saturday so relaxing :)
[12:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[12:40] <Kilos> haha
[12:41] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[12:41] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[16:21] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:25] <hannolom> Hi All - i'm back
[16:26] <hannolom> I figured out what was wrong in my servers - part of anyways
[16:50] <Kilos> hi hannolom
[16:50] <Kilos> what did you find
[17:04] <hannolom> hi - sorry i'm back
[17:05] <hannolom> The reason I keep on getting a out of range is that the screens I use does not seem to like the low res.
[17:05] <hannolom> I edit the grub to 800 X 600 or higher and presto!\
[17:06] <Kilos> cool
[17:06] <hannolom> I can however still not get the GUI (ubuntu-desktop) to work
[17:06] <Kilos> from the server you installed
[17:07] <Kilos> do you see the command prompt
[17:07] <Kilos> wanting login and password
[17:08] <Kilos> have you run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:09] <hannolom> done that
[17:09] <Kilos> are you doing it now from the server keyboard itself?
[17:10] <Kilos> or ssh still
[17:11] <hannolom> nope - directly on the server itself
[17:11] <Kilos> good
[17:11] <Kilos> run
[17:11] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude synaptic ubuntu-desktop
[17:13] <hannolom> Broken packages error
[17:13] <Kilos> again
[17:13] <Kilos> from what mirror
[17:13] <hannolom> and this time I am on ZA.ubuntu
[17:13] <Kilos> wow
[17:14] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:14] <Kilos> how good is the drive you have in there
[17:15] <hannolom> done - just gave me a new line
[17:15] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install -f
[17:15] <hannolom> raid 5 - 4 drives 140 GB each
[17:15] <Kilos> in that one server
[17:16] <Kilos> i mean what drive are you installing on
[17:16] <hannolom> done - 0 upgraded, 0 new insatlled, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded
[17:17] <Kilos> i dont know raid stuff,  but what is on those 4 drives
[17:18] <hannolom> all 4 drives form one expanded drive - controlled by the HP raid controler. 450 GB in total
[17:18] <Kilos> did that command fix anything
[17:18] <Kilos> ok but there is nothing on them at the moment right, only this install?
[17:18] <hannolom> yes
[17:19] <hannolom> formatted bevore install
[17:19] <Kilos> ok so you lose nothing if you unplug 3 of them and then install on one only
[17:20] <Kilos> take the newest one as you test drive
[17:20] <Kilos> you might have some bad sectors there
[17:20] <Kilos> and its not copying packages properly there
[17:21] <Kilos> or we can run a command to check for bad sectors
[17:21] <Kilos> takes long though
[17:22] <Kilos> always remember linux is much more particular when it comes to drive reliability
[17:22] <Kilos> drives that accept windows fine often give probs with linux
[17:23] <hannolom> Nope - the Scuzzy drive does its own detection and a warining light come on if there is a problem.
[17:23] <hannolom> Also tried it on another server as well - same message
[17:23] <Kilos> tried what?
[17:24] <hannolom> The install - and got the same broken packages messages. - Same server and drive layout
[17:26] <Kilos> ah
[17:26] <Kilos> maybe bad iso download
[17:26] <hannolom> mmmmm - not impossable
[17:27] <hannolom> brb - supper
[17:27] <Kilos> havent you got any usb stuff you can plug into the server then use the usb stick to install with
[17:27] <Kilos> ok i go eat too
[17:35] <hannolom> Yes but the gen 3 does not boot from USB ;(
[17:36] <Kilos> in the bios or because of no usb adapter
[17:42] <Kilos> like my first p3 didnt have usb ports but i could plug in a usb card and then work from there
[17:43] <Kilos> but that didnt have the usb boot in the bios
[17:45] <hannolom> Same - here - and the server use a PCI-X slot normal PCI or PIC-E does not fit
[17:46] <Kilos> there is another thing we can try
[17:46] <Kilos> take the drive from the other server with ubuntu with a gui and put it in this machine'
[17:46] <hannolom> been googling and trying "sudo aptitude -f" now
[17:47] <Kilos> tell what it says
[17:48] <hannolom> Sccsi does not wotk that way - GUI working on G4 with raid 6i controller and G3 with a 5i
[17:48] <hannolom> will do
[17:48] <hannolom> stil running
[17:49] <Kilos> i have a scsi drive here ill get cables for one day to check
[17:49] <Kilos> they expensive arent they
[17:51] <hannolom> Yes - but you can rather look at SSD - even faster and cheaper
[17:52] <theblazehen> hi
[17:52] <theblazehen> hannolom: you get it sorted out?
[17:52] <Kilos> no man im old and min income so i save long to get things
[17:52] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[17:52] <hannolom> made progress but not there yet
[17:53] <Kilos> im thinking he has a bad install dvd there or bad sectors on the drive
[17:53] <Kilos> is aptitude -f finding and fixing things hannolom ?
[17:53] <theblazehen> hannolom: Still no display?
[17:54] <hannolom> dont know - still running
[17:54] <Kilos> he keeps getting an error broken packages
[17:56] <Kilos> but if aptitude is at least working thats good
[17:57] <Kilos> hannolom: next time it gives the broken packages error see what packages they are if you can
[17:59] <hannolom> cool
[18:00] <hannolom> University of google says that interchanging the apt-get and aptitude commands are one of the leading causes of broken packages
[18:00] <hannolom> something I did do!
[18:01] <Kilos> i do it often as well  but havent had them break packages
[18:05] <hannolom> mmmmm - still no luck - perhaps I sould try 14.01
[18:06] <Kilos> do sudo aptitude update
[18:06] <Kilos> then sudo aptitude upgrade
[18:06] <Kilos> then sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[18:07] <Kilos> what are you using to burn you dvds?
[18:09] <hannolom> infrarecorder
[18:10] <Kilos> on windows?
[18:10] <hannolom> yes
[18:11] <Kilos> download the iso to the working server then install k3b and use that to burn the dvd
[18:11] <Kilos> windows breaks everything
[18:12] <hannolom> mmmm-I'll give that a go\
[18:12] <Kilos> in the meantime you can check the drive for bad blocks
[18:12] <Kilos> let me find the command
[18:13] <Kilos> sudo badblocks -v /dev/sda1 > bad-blocks-result
[18:13] <Kilos> that will tell you if there are faulty sectors
[18:18] <Kilos> and also when you boot from the dvd there should be an option to check it
[18:23] <hannolom> Done the one from the boot DVD couple of days ago - no errors -
[18:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:54] <Kilos> storm coming. if i disappear power went
[19:16] <Kilos> hannolom: are you winning?


[08:03] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[09:01] <ricotz> seb128, hello!
[09:01] <seb128> ricotz, hey, how are you today?
[09:03] <ricotz> seb128, not so good, will have to power through the day
[09:04] <seb128> ricotz, :-( good luck
[09:04] <ricotz> how are you?
[09:07] <seb128> ricotz, stuggling a bit, I got an annoying cold on my back from fosdem which turned into a middle ear infection. I've antibiotics now but I've one ear low and buzzing and it's disturbing
[09:07] <seb128> I need to power through as well today I think :/
[09:08] <seb128> ricotz, can you push your create-tarball.py to the vcs? or do you prefer me to just apply the diff from the ppa?
[09:13] <ricotz> seb128, ah, I am going push the small tweak
[09:13] <seb128> ricotz, thanks!
[09:17] <ricotz> pushed to the lunar branch
[09:24] <seb128> ricotz, thanks!
[09:54] <KGB-0> gtk4 pristine-tar d12486e Simon McVittie gtk4_4.9.3+ds.orig.tar.xz.delta gtk4_4.9.3+ds.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gtk4_4.9.3+ds.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3iMYV
[09:54] <KGB-2> gtk4 upstream/latest 63a176c Simon McVittie * pushed 355 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/iQZ2g
[09:54] <KGB-2> gtk4 upstream/latest 50998b0 Matthias Clasen gdk/filetransferportal.c gtk/gtkdragicon.c * Merge branch 'drag-icon-robustness' into 'main' * https://deb.li/wVLi
[09:54] <KGB-2> gtk4 upstream/latest b710df6 Matthias Clasen gtk/gtkfilechooserwidget.c * Merge branch 'file-chooser-context-menu' into 'main' * https://deb.li/3lx6h
[09:54] <KGB-2> gtk4 upstream/latest 6426ab7 Carlos Garnacho gdk/wayland/ meson.build gdkseat-wayland.c * gdk/wayland: Rename gdkdevice-wayland.c to gdkseat-wayland.c * https://deb.li/GM82
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[17:56] <KGB-0> gnome-calculator ubuntu/master eaac126 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 7 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/NB5c
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[11:30] <Fuseteam> Hi hotswapster maybe you can transfer the public key over by running scp in pinephone?
[23:20] <CaptainBlackton> Does anyone know how I can install UBP manually through fastboot? Is there a place to get just the install files per device? I've been trying for weeks to get it to work now, and nothing seems to work, at least not with the installer.
[23:21] <CaptainBlackton> I'm trying to install onto a One Plus 3T, which is supposed to be one of the supported devices.
[23:24] <CaptainBlackton> BTW, I was trying to install using the installer from within Linux Mint, but it always froze or crashed partway through. After finally giving up on UBP, I tried Sailfish OS for a while, which is how I ended up getting Fastboot onto my phone. That apparently installed successfully, but the phone hangs when trying to load into the OS, so maybe it's not the right device for that OS. But I got this device specifically
[23:24] <CaptainBlackton> for UBP, since it's on the list of supported devices, so I would really like to find a way to get it to work on this phone...
[23:24] <CaptainBlackton> Any help would be appreciated12


[14:20] <xnox> maxb, could you please verify the SRU https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.7/+bug/1603436 using python-cassandra-driver from xenial-proposed?
[14:24] <maxb> I'll try... though I may have to resort to installing xenial VM to do so at this point
[22:40] <mwhudson> when is the autosync going to be turned back on
[22:40] <mwhudson> ?
[23:47] <tsimonq2> mwhudson: They're transitioning Perl.
[23:47] <tsimonq2> mwhudson: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/perl5.24.html


[07:34]  * smb -> BOD
[07:54] <dileks> hmm, this colord again crashing #934308
[07:58] <RAOF> Urgh, libdbus again.
[08:00] <dileks> that bugs seems not to exist?
[08:00] <dileks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/934308
[08:00] <ubot2> dileks: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0xa2d980c> bug 934308 not found
[08:01] <dileks> hehe. that bug-# was displayed in that crash-report whatever app
[08:04] <RAOF> It's a private bug which is why the bugbot can't scrape it.
[08:05] <dileks> whats a "private bug"?
[08:05] <dileks> a # generated by the crash-reporter-app?
[08:07] <RAOF> A private bug is one marked as private; all apport-reported bugs start as private, because they contain coredumps that may contain sensitive data.
[08:08] <dileks> OK
[08:10] <dileks> looks like ...
[08:11] <dileks> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc332fdf9f373a87b1e2f423b5b004b2a3c37e1a
[08:11] <dileks> ... fixing 3.5-rc6 ...
[08:11] <dileks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1089450/
[08:11] <dileks> happened after suspend+resume*
[08:32] <caribou> smb: morning
[08:32] <smb> caribou, about right... :-P
[08:33]  * smb is still tired
[08:33] <caribou> smb: can I ask you a quick question about the bisecting of the kexec issue ?
[08:33] <smb> caribou, dunno, you may try... :) yes.
[08:33] <caribou> smb: though I don't plan to do it myself, but I'd like to learn how to do it
[08:33] <caribou> smb: this would be too long to build the kernels on my laptop
[08:34] <caribou> smb: but here is the question
[08:34] <smb> caribou, No I don't do that either
[08:34] <caribou> smb: since we identify that it's between v3.4 and v3.5-rc1, I wanted to learn the commands to bisect
[08:34] <caribou> smb: so I got the Quantal git clone, then did :
[08:35] <caribou> smb: git bisect start v3.5-rc1 v3.4
[08:35] <smb> caribou, Ok, so basically I take an upstream kernel tree (our trees, especially development trees are not that good since they are rebased)
[08:36] <caribou> smb: well I followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBisection
[08:36] <caribou> smb: so I picked git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal.git
[08:36] <caribou> smb: then which one should I take ?
[08:37] <smb> caribou, ...slow down... its morning
[08:37] <caribou> smb: hehe, sorry I was up early today :)
[08:38] <smb> Not sure what the wiki say, so I need to look...
[08:38] <caribou> smb: I just see something weird in my git environment : after the git bisect start, I am no longer in a branch
[08:38] <smb> caribou, no that is correct, you are somewhere in the middle of things
[08:39] <caribou> smb: I think there is a step needed after the git bisect to get the bisected code back into my branch
[08:39] <smb> no
[08:39] <smb> Can we go back to tree selection?
[08:40] <caribou> smb: sure
[08:40] <apw> if you need a branch name on the bisect commit to get it built (for example to use a remote machine to build it) then i just do a 'git branch buildtmp' which makes a branch pointing to 'here'
[08:40] <smb> So after we release you could use our tree for bisection as it is not rebased anymore (the master branch), but more often we need to bisect something in mainline
[08:41] <smb> Then as I said you take the upstream tree, "cp -a <ourtree>/debian/* ." and be sure debian.master/config/enforce(r?) is empty
[08:42] <smb> PRobably git bisect start good bad works too, though I like to be single stepped as I am single minded... :-P
[08:42] <smb> So git bisect start
[08:42] <smb> git bisect good <version>
[08:42] <smb> git bisect bad <version>
[08:43] <smb> This throws your tree roughly into the middle of good and bad
[08:43] <smb> I usually edit the debian.master/changelog to have some indicator (version numbering) of which kernel build this is
[08:43] <caribou> smb: yes, this mostly what is described in the Wiki
[08:44] <smb> and then you run the build (usually skipabi=true skipmodule=true fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic)
[08:44] <caribou> smb: what puzzles me is that, after the bisect good/bad, I'm no longer in a branch and don't have the debian.master directory etc
[08:44] <smb> This normally asks some config questions, I try to just hit enter and use default version
[08:45] <smb> caribou, You will have one
[08:45] <caribou> and 'git branch' tells me "*(no branch)"
[08:45] <smb> if you had before
[08:45] <smb> but you clearly are *not* on any branch anymore
[08:45] <smb> Of course
[08:45] <apw> caribou, that is normal mid-bisect, as it is mid-rebase
[08:46] <apw> you are on a 'diconnected HEAD'
[08:46] <caribou> apw: yes, I got that far.
[08:47] <caribou> apw: so is there anything else to be done at that point to get from the mid-bisect disconnected HEAD to some branch in order to build
[08:47] <caribou> ?
[08:47] <smb> caribou, No, it means you are at a point between version but still this is what you want to build
[08:48] <smb> caribou, And if you do the bisect on an upstream tree and copy the debian files in, those remain untouched by you moving forward through the bisect
[08:48] <smb> (since for the upstream tree those are not part of the repo)
[08:49] <apw> so you can use the term HEAD to refer to there, and as i said before to get a name attached to here you can just "git branch NAME" which will attach that name to wherever HEAD is
[08:49] <caribou> smb: yes, that's clear to me.
[08:50] <caribou> apw: ok, that was the missing bit I was after !
[08:51] <smb> caribou, But that you actually don't need
[08:52] <smb> After you proceed through bisection, you will end up at a point where git tells you this commit (sha1) is what should be the offending one
[08:52] <cking> if you've done it right ;-)
[08:52] <smb> you can use that sha1 to look at the commit (or do whatever else is appropriate)
[08:53] <smb> cking, Yeah... minor thing... :)
[08:53] <caribou> smb: yes I figured that part out. I was only puzzled by the "disconnected HEAD" situation
[08:53] <smb> ok
[08:53] <cking> juist don't interrupted and make a mistake is my advice ;-)
[08:53] <apw> and i recommend you keep a copy of 'git bisect log' every now and again as that can be used to get you back to where you are when you break your tree
[08:54] <apw> or lose track or say good when you meant bad, or similar
[08:54] <smb> right
[08:54] <caribou> smb: when I use one of our trees to test, after the "git bisect start", I was in a disconnected HEAD and the debian.master bits were no longer there
[08:54] <smb> and sometimes one also needs a "git bisect skip" to say neither good nor bad, it just failed to build
[08:54] <apw> yep as our debian bits are near the tip of the tree at all times
[08:55] <apw> so any bisect which drops you way down into mainline commits won't have them
[08:55] <smb> caribou, Ah, ok. That is true as long as start is before a final release
[08:55] <caribou> ok thank very much guys. this is all very useful information to me
[08:56] <caribou> smb: which is the case with the Quantal tree
[08:56] <caribou> smb: I should test with a stable tree
[08:56] <smb> caribou, Quantal is not release, so yes
[08:56] <caribou> ok, thanks for your time guys !
[09:07] <_ruben> got a hardy box on which i need to mount a ext4 disk, guessing the easiest way to make that possible is by using a mainline kernel? any recommendations for a specific version(range)?
[09:18] <apw> _ruben, blimey.  i think if it was me, i would try a lucid kernel
[09:18] <apw> though that combination likley has not been tested
[09:19] <smb> though between hardy and lucid I think there was some incompatibility with lvm userspsace
[09:19] <smb> (iirc because /sys/block became links)
[09:19] <_ruben> sounds scary, tho i might've found a different solution by means of virtualization
[09:20] <apw> that sounds safer indeed
[11:04] <cking> apw, ping
[14:18] <psusi> is there not a -dbg build of the kernel so you can get gdb some debug symbols?
[14:26]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:49] <herton> psusi, you can get dbgsym packages directly from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux/, there is also a general guide on the wiki about dbg packages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash/#Debug_Symbol_Packages
[14:52] <psusi> herton: thanks... hrm... it seems that gdb needs me to specify the base address to add-symbol-file.. how can I figure that out?
[14:52]  * jsalisbury back after another x201 overheat crash :-/
[14:53]  * ppisati -> goes packing stuff
[14:53] <psusi> aha!  there we go... just use file instead of add-symbol-file...
[14:59]  * cking reboots
[15:01] <jsalisbury> pgraner, just wondering if you had a chance to test the v3 kernel for bug 1018020 ?
[15:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1018020 in linux "Logitech webcam not working" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1018020
[15:06] <pgraner> jsalisbury, not yet, give me 5 and I'll let you know
[15:06] <jsalisbury> pgraner, great, thanks.
[15:14] <pgraner> jsalisbury, ok looks good with a quick 3 min camera run
[15:15] <jsalisbury> pgraner, cool.  And you didn't notice any delay at the login screen, when trying to enter your password?
[15:15] <pgraner> jsalisbury, not really, let me try on my other box for sanity
[15:44] <pgraner> jsalisbury, no noticeable speed issues on my i7 or i5 box
[15:44] <jsalisbury> pgraner, great news!  Thanks for testing.
[15:45] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, ^^^ I've had good feedback from a couple of people that the single patch(2/2) fixes bug 1018020
[15:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1018020 in linux "Logitech webcam not working" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1018020
[15:46] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, want me to repost to the list with just the single patch?
[15:46] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: cool thanks.  I think tim applied both so I'll just drop patch 1/2.  no need to reply to the list, I'll just send a note out that I've dropped it.
[15:46] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, cool, thanks
[15:47] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, this patch should land in mainline soon too
[15:47] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: ah, nice.
[15:47] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, Takashi applied it to his tree, so whenever Linus pulls that it should land
[15:48] <skaet> ogasawara,  there are alot of bugs sticking around in fix committed state on http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html for multiple weeks,   is there possibly a janitor processing glitch,  or its just waiting for a specific drop to land?
[15:49] <ogasawara> skaet: I'll have to take a look, might just be waiting for something to move out of -proposed
[15:49] <skaet> thanks ogasawara
[15:51] <ogasawara> skaet: ah, those are for CVE's.  likely never auto-closed by our bot for Quantal.  I'll go through and clean them out.
[15:51] <skaet> thanks ogasawara   :D
[15:59] <ogasawara> skaet: is there a reason there is a separate "linux" section in that report?
[16:01] <skaet> ogasawara,  report is oriented around teams,  and packages in the team's responsibliity areas.
[16:04] <ogasawara> skaet: I'm still a bit confused then as that would indicate that section should contain then all the bugs against the "linux" package, but really it's all the linux-armadaxp bugs
[16:05] <ogasawara> skaet: and I'm not sure why linux-armadaxp is then special to have it's own section when we group all the other kernel related packaged, eg linux, linux-ti-omap4 under the "kernel" section.
[16:07] <skaet> ogasawara, yeah,  I agree what's emerged has become confusing.... time for some cleanup.   I'm guessing its because of vanhoof's team involvement in the armadaxp board.   I'm fine with it all being lumped under kernel.
[16:08] <skaet> if that makes it clearer
[16:11] <ogasawara> skaet: that's fine, at least I'll be sure to see it then
[16:12]  * skaet adds it to the TODO list ;)
[17:51]  * henrix -> EOD
[19:41] <mdz> what is the difference between linux-image and linux-image-extra? the package descriptions look identical
[19:45] <ogasawara> hiya mdz, with quantal we eliminated the need for having a separate virtual flavor by splitting the kernel package into a paired down linux-image package and linux-image-extra to contain everything else not included in linux-image.  ie install linux-image for a paired down offering, install linux-image + linux-image-extra for a complete offering.
[19:46]  * ogasawara has to run, back in a bit
[19:47] <mdz> ogasawara, thanks. maybe the package description could be updated to clarify this?
[19:47] <mdz> maybe mention the categories of modules which are in linux-image vs. -extra
[19:48] <mdz> -extra looks like it has many (but not all) network, sound, input, media, etc.
[19:52] <mdz> about half the modules my system uses are in -extra, interesting
[21:14] <jjohansen> herton: you around?
[21:14] <herton> jjohansen, yep
[21:16] <jjohansen> herton: For the hardy bug that I had you change the attribution on (3d3e740d89b3267ceb0ef19fd741aeb0b75c1f47) the commit text still needs to be modified.
[21:16] <jjohansen> It still has "John Johansen reported"
[21:19] <herton> jjohansen, hmm... yeah. reported by is correct though. But the patch I resent to the mailing list was right, I guess someone when applied modified by hand the first patch. I think it can go this way now... anyway, you two were involved I guess
[21:20] <jjohansen> herton: yeah the patch is right, and reported-by is right, just want to make sure that all the credit goes where its due, as I wouldn't want to upset an active contributor
[21:22] <herton> jjohansen, it will cause some hassle to fix this now, since went to master and the update is ready. And since the reported by is correct, I don't think it's too bad
[21:25] <herton> jjohansen, I guess the better action would be to apologize to him through mail, since it wasn't intentional, just to avoid any misjudgments
[21:25] <herton> jjohansen, I can write up one if you want
[21:26] <jjohansen> herton: no I can write one up if we go that route
[21:27] <herton> bjf ^, what do you think?
[21:31] <jjohansen> herton: okay, I think we will go that route with this one
[23:04] <bjf> herton, jjohansen, email is the way to go, worst case we will revert the patch and reapply a different one with the correct attribution
[23:04] <bjf> herton, jjohansen, but that seems kind of extreme
[23:17] <jjohansen> bjf: yeah email has already been sent
[23:17] <bjf> jjohansen: thanks, really sorry about that
[23:18] <jjohansen> bjf: heh it happens I should have caught it sooner
[23:18] <bjf> jjohansen, are you planning on sprinting with us at all?
[23:19] <jjohansen> bjf: yep, a couple days. is looking like Wed, Thursday for me atm
[23:19] <bjf> jjohansen: cool