[00:01] <daker> cjohnston: i start losing control of the beast
[00:01] <cjohnston> ?
[00:02] <daker> LTP
[00:03] <cjohnston> What do you mean by losing control
[00:14] <daker> i don't know it's just a felling


[00:06] <_nonlocal> Hello.  I have bought a new computer with an hdmi out which I am presently running through, connected to my TV. The image is smaller than teh available screen space. It is slight but it bothers me. My windows OS (or even my xbox) have a slider in the settings to adjust the image size to fit the borders of the screen. I cannot find this in ubuntu, and googling has so far failed me.Or more likely I have failed it... neverth
[00:07] <_nonlocal> I should note I am actually running the vanilla ubuntu interface right now. new hardware seemed like a good time to finally check out unity
[00:07] <babble> Try here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=148662
[00:08] <_nonlocal> ah yes, overscan/underscan, the jargon I couldn't quite call to mind. Thanks.
[00:17] <_nonlocal> Oh hello xorg.conf, we meet again... }8[
[00:22] <babble> what are you outputting to the HDMI display?
[00:22] <babble> is this for media, or something else?
[00:23] <babble> (if you're watching videos and whatnot on your TV, it may be simpler to use XBMC which has overscan adjustment)
[00:26] <_nonlocal> babble, I am outputting everything
[00:26] <_nonlocal> I dont ghave a regular monitor right now\
[00:26] <babble> if you're using it as a regular display, then a custom xorg modeline is your best bet
[00:26] <_nonlocal> thanks.  Please excuse frequent typos.)
[00:28] <babble> there's a MythTV wiki that may also help
[00:28] <babble> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Overscan
[00:29] <babble> if you have an nvidia card, you may try the nvidia-settings utility
[00:29] <_nonlocal> ati.
[00:29] <_nonlocal> ati config has an overscan toggle
[00:29] <_nonlocal> but it is just off or on
[00:30] <babble> if you're using fglrx drivers, it looks like you can specify a specific amount from the commandline:
[00:30] <babble> http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?14806-fglrx-overscan
[00:30] <babble> pasting from that thread...
[00:31] <babble> http://paste.ubuntu.com/974774/
[00:32] <babble> try a dpkg-reconfigure with the monitor hooked up and then run aticonfig --initial
[00:33] <babble> Xorg will try to be smart and autodetect your monitor for you on a dpkg-reconfigure
[00:33] <_nonlocal> thanks. I notice once I installed fglrx drivers... it stopped detecting my tv as tv
[00:33] <_nonlocal> and started calling it 'laptop'
[00:33] <aguitel> jockey-gtk maybe do this work
[00:34] <_nonlocal> aticonfig --tvinfo reports the tv is not connected, which I assure you it is :)
[00:34] <_nonlocal> although perhaps it is looking for two displays
[00:34] <babble> try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:34] <babble> and then aticonfig --initial
[00:34] <babble> the fglrx driver may have just guessed wrong
[00:35] <babble> probably not - it's probably just guessing from the resolution reported by the TV over HDMI and guessing it's a widescreen laptop display in the absence of a better guess.
[00:37] <babble> see also the manpage for aticonfig:
[00:37] <babble> http://man.cx/aticonfig(1)
[00:38] <babble> looks like you can force resolutions:
[00:38] <babble> aticonfig −−resolution=1600x1200,1280x1024,1024x768
[00:38] <_nonlocal> whoops, how do I reload the display settings? ctrl-alt-backspace no longer works?\
[00:41] <babble> the safest way I know of is to drop to a console and restart lightdm
[00:41] <babble> ctrl-alt-f1, and log in
[00:41] <babble> then sudo service lightdm restart
[00:47] <babble> ...and there's this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11914927
[00:48] <babble> xrandr --output <output> --set underscan on (or off, depending)
[00:49] <babble> "Could try a overscan correction with xrandr"
[00:49] <babble> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1849599&highlight=intel+overscan+xrandr&page=2
[00:49] <_nonlocal> Yes, reading
[00:49] <_nonlocal> This seems to be similar to the custom modeline
[00:50] <babble> it's all ways of dancing around the same basic issue, yeah.
[00:50] <babble> xorg autodetection in this case is making a bad assumption, so you can fiddle to force it to do otherwise.
[00:51] <_nonlocal> xrander won't let me go any bigger than 1920 so I will still have bars on two edges
[00:51] <babble> um.
[00:51] <babble> 1920x1080 is 1080p
[00:52] <babble> unless you're saying you have a 4k display, you don't need bigger than 1920x1080
[00:52] <_nonlocal> It's annoying because connected by VGA I have a pixel-by-pixel option but hdmi I do not
[00:52] <babble> you said it was on HDMI
[00:52] <_nonlocal> that's just it, I'm connected at 1080p
[00:52] <_nonlocal> but still seeing borders
[00:52] <babble> 1080p is 1920x1080
[00:52] <babble> then you're not outputting 1080p
[00:52] <_nonlocal> Yes.
[00:52] <babble> you don't need larger than 1920 horizontal pixels
[00:53] <_nonlocal> I am at 1920x1080p. The TV is messing with it I think
[00:53] <babble> if you're using a vga port and not an hdmi port, you're not likely to ever get 1080p
[00:53] <_nonlocal> not vga
[00:53] <_nonlocal> hdmi. I have connected to the tv with vga in the past though
[00:54] <babble> you're not really listening to what I'm saying
[00:54] <babble> if you think you need larger than 1920 horizontal, you don't
[00:54] <babble> unless you have a 4k display (which you very likely do not)
[00:54] <_nonlocal> no you're right
[00:55] <babble> if you're seeing pillarbox bars, your computer is not OUTPUTTING 1920x1080 regardless of whatever the television's native resolution is
[00:55] <_nonlocal> It is. I believe the TV is the problem.
[00:55] <_nonlocal> in windows I had to adjust down to fit the desktop on the screen
[00:55] <_nonlocal> underscan?
[00:56] <_nonlocal> likewise ubuntu was off the edge when I first installed
[00:56] <_nonlocal> after installing fglrx I am boxed
[00:56] <babble> see if you can force the television to do 720p and set a resolution modeline for 1280x720
[00:56] <_nonlocal> which is better than missing half the dock
[00:56] <_nonlocal> but not ideal
[01:10] <metals> hi, people
[01:11] <metals> I am a rookie and I don't know how to hide folders or files in Xubuntu. Would ya help please?
[01:11] <Unit193> Put a dot (.) in front of the name.
[01:12] <metals> thanks
[01:13] <metals> is Windows gonna recognize that as Hidden?
[01:18] <metals> unit193: ?
[01:18] <Unit193> Nope, not normally.
[01:19] <metals> thanks, pal
[01:19] <metals> bye
[02:51] <xubuntu149> Hi, I was playing with my panel and remove the mail, volume bar icon bar by clicking on removing something called notification plugin I think, it did say if I choose to removie then it's permanently lost, anyway to get it back?
[02:51] <xubuntu149> Thanks!
[02:51] <GridCube> yes
[02:52] <GridCube> go to right click >panel >add element, there search plugin indicator
[02:52] <GridCube> done
[02:53] <xubuntu149> Thank you! It's now fixed.
[02:57] <xubuntu149> Now it's strange how I get a extra bluetooth icon mixed in with my mail, volume and network icon, any way to get rid of it?
[03:05] <GridCube> xubuntu149, you have now two pluging indicators
[03:05] <GridCube> delete one
[04:26] <naryfa> xubuntu rocks
[04:27] <naryfa> I can customize my ass out here, and it'll still be light and work
[05:30] <heikokoko> will there be better support for multiple displays in future xubuntu releases?
[05:37] <koegs> heikokoko: what should be better?
[05:39] <heikokoko> in short: everything. you can't even disable mirroring in the display settings.
[05:42] <xubuntu646> can someone help me with the xubuntu desktop cd under 64 bit vista?
[05:43] <knome> !ask | xubuntu646
[05:43] <xubuntu646> ok in that case...
[05:43] <xubuntu646> I burnt the dvd using the instructions on the xubuntu website (infrarecorder)
[05:44] <xubuntu646> after that, I tried to do a couple of things with it
[05:44] <xubuntu646> first thing
[05:44] <xubuntu646> I restarted my computer with the disk in there
[05:44] <xubuntu646> and a xubuntu logo showed up
[05:44] <xubuntu646> but then it turned into a command line
[05:44] <xubuntu646> and then I tried typing some basic stuff on the command line (for lack of anything else to do)
[05:44] <xubuntu646> and it is said panic mode or something
[05:44] <xubuntu646> and then it froze
[05:44] <xubuntu646> second thing I tried
[05:44] <heikokoko> if you set it up with arandr or similar, there still is no automatic reaction on (dis)connection monitors and so on. support for multiple displays seems almost nonexistent (or is very well hidden). don't get me wrong, this is not a "your os sucks" rant. I love xubuntu, I'm very well aware that there is a lot of voluntary work behind it. i'm not making demands.
[05:44] <xubuntu646> was to reboot into vista
[05:45] <xubuntu646> and then I tried double clicking on it
[05:45] <xubuntu646> and then it decided to ask me what to name the CD and it formats the cd
[05:45] <xubuntu646> so I'm super confused now
[05:45] <koegs> heikokoko: any special configuration? triple display with ATI on my workstation is no problem
[05:46] <koegs> putting my thinkpad in the dockigstation and automatic detection of the external display is no problem
[05:46] <heikokoko> koegs: how did you set it up? xubuntu display settings?
[05:46] <koegs> triple display: ati control panel
[05:46] <koegs> thinkpad: nothing, automagic :)
[05:46] <heikokoko> intel graphics here
[05:47] <koegs> same on the thinkpad
[05:47] <heikokoko> let me try with my thinkpad ...
[05:48] <koegs> i have to go to work, but i will read your findings later in the office
[05:49] <heikokoko> that test already failed due to lack of a vga cable :)
[05:52] <ronsonol> Changelog for util-linux says ddate was removed in 2.11z-3, returned in 2.11z-4, doesn't mention it was again dropped, but isn't in 2.20.1.util-linux
[05:53] <heikokoko> on the desktop pc i have no automation there at all. if I connect a monitor, I have to set it up manually each time(, or run the script arandr generated).
[05:54] <ThePendulum> Where can I download Xubuntu?
[05:55] <heikokoko> the topic says "Xubuntu 12.04 is out! Download from http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu"
[05:55] <ThePendulum> The ISOs get a 403 and the torrent files (just the torrent files, not their actual contents) stop downloading halfway
[05:55] <ThePendulum> If it was that easy I wouldn't be here, lol
[05:55] <knome> ThePendulum, which image?
[05:55] <ThePendulum> Nvm, managed to find a copy
[05:56] <knome> what iso gives 403 ?
[05:56] <ThePendulum> knome: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/ <-- Both of them, for me at least
[05:56] <ThePendulum> The torrents seem to work though
[05:58] <knome> well that's the idea, that's the torrent server
[05:59] <ronsonol> knome, why're they listed?
[05:59] <ThePendulum> ^
[05:59] <knome> ThePendulum, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/
[05:59] <knome> ronsonol, no idea, that's something to ask from the canonical IS.
[05:59] <ThePendulum> The fact they're listed surely is a tad confusing
[06:00] <knome> but it's still the torrent. server
[06:01] <ronsonol> I always do the torrent anyway.  Just to irritate my ISP with *legit* torrents. :)
[06:02] <xubuntu646> so after I burnt that desktop CD, vista tried to rename/reformat it instead of actually running it.  Do you think I burnt it correctly?  I used InfraRecorder as suggested...
[06:03] <ThePendulum> xubuntu646: You can run it by booting from it
[06:03] <ThePendulum> (to avoid Windows completely)
[06:04] <xubuntu646> What is the expected behavior at that point?
[06:04] <xubuntu646> For me it opened a command prompt,
[06:04] <xubuntu646> but when I tried "ls" it said it was entering panic mode
[06:04] <xubuntu646> and  then computer crashed
[06:04] <ThePendulum> You should see a GUI installer and be able to install Xubuntu (either overwriting Windows or installing it alongside)
[06:05] <xubuntu646> hmm
[06:05] <xubuntu646> I saw the xubuntu logo
[06:05] <xubuntu646> and a loading bar moved for about 5 min
[06:05] <xubuntu646> but then the screen turned black
[06:05] <xubuntu646> and this prompt just came up
[06:05] <ThePendulum> Strange...
[06:05] <ThePendulum> I don't know if the disc may be faulty
[06:05] <xubuntu646> I didn't know what I was supposed to type into the prompt
[06:05] <xubuntu646> I tried "install"
[06:05] <ThePendulum> I usually just burn the ISOs to the disc directly when on Windows
[06:06] <ThePendulum> Or create a USB stick using UNetbootin
[06:06] <ThePendulum> Never had issues during instalation
[06:06] <ThePendulum> xubuntu646: You shouldn't see a prompt by default at all
[06:06] <xubuntu646> for me this is the second disc which did this...
[06:06] <ThePendulum> I'm afraid I have to leave for school now. I will be back later today.
[06:06] <xubuntu646> so maybe my burner is bad?
[06:06] <ThePendulum> xubuntu646: Perhaps, you could try to burn something completely different to find out
[06:06] <xubuntu646> o, other things work fine
[06:06] <xubuntu646> just this is giving me issues
[06:07] <ThePendulum> Your burner should be fine then
[06:07] <ThePendulum> I'm afraid I really have to leave now :| I hope the others here will continue to help you
[06:07] <ThePendulum> Cheers
[06:43] <hipparchia> hi
[06:49] <knome> hello
[06:50] <hipparchia> have anyone problems with the shortcuts keys in the 12.04 version ?
[06:50] <hipparchia> mines are ofen dead :(
[06:50] <knome> did you read the release notes?
[06:50] <knome> see the bottom of http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/
[06:51] <hipparchia> thanks am going to look at
[06:53] <hipparchia> well I did all that yet, but does not work :(
[06:58] <koegs> hipparchia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/992579
[06:59] <REK_007> I have one question this Xubuntu 12.04 is LTS version right?
[06:59] <knome> REK_007, yes
[07:00] <REK_007> ty knome
[07:00] <hipparchia> ty koegs
[07:07] <koegs> hipparchia: i have reported that one :)
[07:07] <koegs> maybe you can click "affects me"
[07:08] <hipparchia> ok ty :)
[07:39] <xubuntu934> good afternoon all..
[07:39] <xubuntu934> im newbie with xubuntu..
[07:40] <hipparchia> hi xubuntu934
[07:40] <xubuntu934> i wanna ask something about xubuntu fresh install
[07:40] <hipparchia> please do
[07:41] <xubuntu934> after my installation finish and logon my screen turns black and asking me to fill username and password
[07:41] <xubuntu934> then i fill it and after that i dont know what i must to do
[07:42] <xubuntu934> i use xubuntu alternative
[07:42] <hipparchia> the computer does not start ?
[07:42] <xubuntu934> it say tty1
[07:42] <hipparchia> ??
[07:43] <xubuntu934> i mean it like in terminal
[07:43] <p3c0> call startx
[07:43] <xubuntu934> cannot run startx p3co
[07:44] <p3c0> why?
[07:44] <xubuntu934> it something not installed
[07:44] <xubuntu934> i forget the error is
[07:44] <xubuntu934> it said something not ontalled
[07:44] <xubuntu934> *installed
[07:45] <p3c0> did you install xorg?
[07:45] <xubuntu934> i dont know
[07:46] <p3c0> type 'Xorg' on terminal
[07:46] <xubuntu934> the error said i use to installed innitx
[07:47] <xubuntu934> when i type startx
[07:50] <p3c0> is Xorg installed?
[07:50] <xubuntu934> i dont think so
[07:51] <xubuntu934> wait i'll be right back
[07:51] <xubuntu934> i wanna try to install Xorg
[08:00] <metals> hi
[08:01] <metals> my home is encrypted. could it be he result of my Xubuntu not going on Stand By mode?
[08:13] <p3c0> how to call startx automatically as soon as machine boots?
[08:13] <p3c0> i have installed minimal ubuntu 11.10
[08:27] <oxic`_> sweet, thoughts?
[08:45] <mrwbsn> Hello im the one before who asking about startc
[08:45] <mrwbsn> Startx
[08:46] <mrwbsn> I have to type Xorg and there is an fatal error message
[08:46] <mrwbsn> Cannot move old log file
[08:47] <mrwbsn> And before i type xorg i have installed xinit
[08:48] <mrwbsn> What else i must install?
[08:50] <mrwbsn> Now when i type startx it will appear a terminal
 I have tried to install xubuntu 1204 on an IBM T22 (Thinkpad) with 380 MB memory. The life CD runs fine and Firefox connects to the internet and works off the life CD.       ---   However, when I try to install I get an unrecoverable error towards the very end. I have tried to install after running the desktop session, as well as directly after starting the CD and I have also tried to upgrade directly from my 1004 Xu
[08:50] <mrwbsn> Sorry im a noob with xubuntu
[08:51] <knome> both xubuntu145 and mrwbsn: what's the error?
[08:52] <mrwbsn> Startx bring me to terminal
[08:52] <mrwbsn> After i install xinit
[08:56] <mrwbsn> What should i install then?
[08:58] <mrwbsn> Xubuntu-desktop?
[08:59] <mrwbsn> Or there are another packages?
[09:00] <knome> mrwbsn, if you install xubuntu-desktop, it's the same as you would have installed from a normal xubuntu cd
[09:01] <mrwbsn> If xfce4?
[09:01] <knome> that question didn't make sense
[09:01] <mrwbsn> Sorry
[09:02] <knome> i'd imagine you have to install a display manager (a login screen), try installing lightdm
[09:02] <mrwbsn> Im confuse with installation
[09:03] <mrwbsn> Ok i try with lightdm
[09:04] <knome> mrwbsn, if you are confused because you installed with mini, try using a normal xubuntu disc.
[09:04] <mrwbsn> I have downloaded alternate version iso
[09:04] <knome> did desktop not work?
[09:05] <mrwbsn> Not yet try desktop
[09:05] <knome> mrwbsn, if you are new to linux, i'd suggest you to try the desktop iso first. it's the easiest one.
[09:05] <mrwbsn> Ok
[09:05] <knome> mrwbsn, generally, don't do things you are not certain of
[09:06] <mrwbsn> Thx knome for the advice
[09:07] <knome> no problem
[09:07] <knome> better to start easy - when your skill set increases, move to more advanced things
[09:07] <knome> mrwbsn, now that you have installed mini, you could try installing xubuntu-desktop and see if it helps
[09:08] <mrwbsn> Ok
[09:10] <mrwbsn> I want try to install mini i hve
[09:10] <mrwbsn> I have
[09:11] <mrwbsn> Now im installing lightdm
[09:11] <mrwbsn> :)
[09:11] <knome> and yes, you will need a desktop environment too
[09:11] <knome> (eg. xfce4)
[09:20] <mrwbsn> Ok i curious about how if i install this and this etc
[09:20] <mrwbsn> Heehe
[09:36] <aquix> mods: the xubuntu.org link in the topic can't load when it say's   :http
[09:37] <aquix> now I have to duck duck it :)
[09:37] <knome> hmm?
[09:37] <knome> looks about right for me
[09:38] <aquix> nah, there is no space between the : and the http://xubuntu.org, so irc can't recognize the link. or xchat that is.
[09:39] <knome> aquix, there is no such thing
[09:39] <knome> 12:37 » Topic for #xubuntu: Xubuntu support | Xubuntu 12.04 is out! Download from http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | No one around? See the complete support methods list at http://xubuntu.org/help | Offtopic: #xubuntu-offtopic
[09:39] <knome> aquix, file a bug for xchat.
[09:39] <aquix> The topic I get up is  ->    ChanServ- [#xubuntu] Welcome to #xubuntu. This channel is logged. Use of this channel implies acceptance of terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
[09:39] <aquix> * #xubuntu :http://xubuntu.org
[09:40] <knome> right, that's the notify
[09:40] <aquix> doh, right. my bad
[09:47] <knome> aquix, i think that's a problem with the freenode irc server
[09:50] <aquix> seems like it. the two other networks I'm on don't have it.
[09:51] <knome_home> 12:50 -!- Home page for #xubuntu: http://xubuntu.org
[09:51] <knome> ^ that's what i get with irssi
[09:51] <knome> so not a problem with freenode after all, but xchat
[09:52] <Unit193> [D[D[D/ /cs info #xubuntu
[09:52] <knome> fsst :)
[09:55] <REK_007> what does run level in rc#.d mean ?
[09:55] <knome> !runlevels
[10:01] <REK_007> knome: suppose i want to call a script test.sh during start up and it requires root access
[10:01] <REK_007> so i open rc.local and add <path>/test.sh
[10:01] <REK_007> and then chmod +x rc.local
[10:01] <REK_007> that will do it?
[10:08] <sergio> Hello
[10:08] <mrwbsn> Hi
[10:09] <Guest80761> hello
[10:09] <mrwbsn> Mm.. How to get xubuntu theme for xfce4
[10:11] <REK_007> mrwbsn: what do you mean by that exactly?
[10:14] <serbforce> hi again
[10:14] <REK_007> hi
[10:14] <serbforce> anybody around to answer a quick question?
[10:14] <Unit193> mrwbsn: Shimmer project has it in github and maybe on their site.
[10:15] <mrwbsn> Alrite i'll check that out
[10:15] <serbforce> im using xubuntu precise and im trying to set chrome as default  browser, but it wont stick
[10:15] <Unit193> " Greybird" being the default.
[10:16] <REK_007> serbforce: "exo-open --launch WebBrowser"
[10:16] <REK_007> try this
[10:17] <serbforce> yeah it starts chrome but
[10:17] <serbforce> chrome itself asks me if i want to set it as default
[10:17] <REK_007> serbforce: today morning I faced this same issue
[10:17] <mrwbsn> Alrite greybird
[10:17] <REK_007> after that command its running fine :D
[10:18] <REK_007> BTW I shifted to XFCE today only so am searching for all this things :P
[10:18] <serbforce> oh i see
[10:18] <serbforce> its great isnt it
[10:18] <serbforce> :p
[10:18] <REK_007> yeah much better than filthy touch type interfaces being released lately :P
[10:19] <serbforce> those are fine too, but xfce feels much more natural
[10:19] <REK_007> I dont like them on my PC.. huge icons .. needing heaps of time to find apps :(
[10:20] <serbforce> you can scale the icons down :)
[10:20] <REK_007> dont like it for PC ..maybe for netbook/touch type device yes it will work
[10:20] <REK_007> i didnt like the menu too ...
[10:20] <Unit193> Just disable that message, seems like you already have that set as default.
[10:20] <serbforce> no but listen
[10:20] <serbforce> when i for instance click help in xubuntu menu
[10:20] <serbforce> it doesnt know what to use
[10:20] <serbforce> asks me to set a browser
[10:21] <REK_007> serbforce: exo-open --launch WebBrowser
[10:21] <REK_007> sudo exo-open --launch WebBrowser
[10:21] <REK_007> exo-open --launch WebBrowser
[10:21] <REK_007> this is the exact chain of events
[10:21] <REK_007> and after which its working good
[10:21] <REK_007> sudo one didnt work though
[10:21] <REK_007> :P
[10:21] <serbforce> yeah cant be run as a root
[10:22] <REK_007> was worth a shot as nothing was working
[10:22] <serbforce> looks like they dont want us to use chrome :p
[10:23] <REK_007> maybe :P but i am so used to chrome now
[10:23] <REK_007> mrwbsn: try this "ln -s /usr/share/themes/Greybird/gtk-3.0  ~/.config/"
[10:24] <serbforce> ok solution didnt work, ill try googling a bit more
[10:24] <serbforce> thanks anyways!
[10:25] <mrwbsn> Alrite i'll try.. Thx REK_007
[10:25] <REK_007> serbforce: sorry mate that did the work for me..i was also initially irritated with it
[10:29] <rhin0> what was the comm,and to set up default keyring password
[10:29] <rhin0> to stop it asking for keyring password every ssh
[10:30] <rhin0> #ssh-add
[10:30] <REK_007> i would also like to know this
[10:30] <rhin0> its ssh-add
[10:30] <rhin0> as soon as I asked I remembered
[10:30] <REK_007> thanks :)
[10:30] <rhin0> always happens that
[10:30] <REK_007> lol then as more :P
[11:29] <REK_007> how to use rc.local to run start up scripts?
[13:07] <Kenshizl> I have a question for all the peoples out there!
[13:08]  * hyperreal is away: I'm busy
[13:09] <Kenshizl> I have a laptop and I tried to put xubuntu on it (using a disk and usb), but for some reason it just kept showing the loading bar on the xubuntu startup. Anyone know what happened?
[14:08] <Mike-Linux-NL> it seems that hotkey's for volume control loose sync with the actual volumecontrol itself?
[14:09] <Mike-Linux-NL> i see the notification changing the volume, but the volume itself does not change? it works at first but then at some point it crashed quietly...
[14:09] <Mike-Linux-NL> when i do it with the mouse, by clicking on the volume icon and change the slide, then it works.
[14:58] <Mike-Linux-NL> grr...
[14:58] <Mike-Linux-NL> volume control crashed yet again...
[15:41] <craigbass1976> how do I get rid of the regular ubuntu login screen?
[15:41] <craigbass1976> I put xubuntu-desktop on afterthe fact
[15:42] <holstein> craigbass1976: theres not really any reason to
[15:43] <holstein> craigbass1976: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/07/how-to-switch-between-gdm-lightdm-or.html
[15:43] <craigbass1976> holstein, just principle.  Unity has so driven me nuts that I want it and anything purple gone.  :)
[15:44] <ochosi> holstein: that might be misleading, you haven't asked whether he uses gdm
[15:44] <ochosi> holstein: ubuntu itself also uses lightdm
[15:44] <holstein> ochosi: link what you like.. that link teaches me to choose a different one
[15:46] <ochosi> craigbass1976: it could be sufficient to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and replace "unity-greeter" with "lightdm-gtk-greeter"
[15:46] <craigbass1976> Ah.  And what's the widget-ish thing down bottom that pops up when I hover the mouse down there long enough?
[15:47] <ochosi> craigbass1976: a launcher panel. quick access to a few commonly used apps. you can edit/remove it like any other panel
[15:55] <odo> hi
[15:55] <odo> my machine is loud and hot   Xubuntu 12.04
[15:56] <Guest54736> the hot machine:  Samsung P series
[15:56] <craigbass1976> All I can think of is girlfriend jokes...
[15:57] <holstein> Guest54736: you could try different graphics drivers... i usually try live CD's til something "works" or seems more appropriate, then i make a note of the kernel version and whats going on with the graphics
[15:58] <rhin0> trying to find easiest way/description of getting remote desktop up and running for xubiuntu 10.04 -- was easier with standard ubuntu
[15:58] <rhin0> just need poiinter (anyone)
[15:58] <Guest54736> ok sounds good, how can i get information about my grafic card and how can i find a better driver?
[15:59] <holstein> Guest54736: i usually do that by searching... but trying live CD's is just easy and non-technical
[15:59] <holstein> rhin0: i used the default one.. vino and/or vinagre
[15:59] <rhin0> ok - was ussing vinagre on ubuntu
[15:59] <rhin0> will google it
[16:00] <holstein> rhin0: make sure you have vino installed and launch "vino-preferences".. should work just like it does in main ubuntu
[16:00] <rhin0> vino on the server?
[16:00] <rhin0> I know vinagre was client
[16:00] <Guest54736> holstein:  so live cds of other distros?
[16:00] <rhin0> ta
[16:01] <aquix> Guest54736, you can install inxi, then in terminal       inxi -F
[16:01] <aquix> nice little program for sysinfo
[16:01] <holstein> Guest54736: i typically just throw ones in til something works more appropriately.. searching around in the forums for someone with that hardware can help, but really a kernel revision can change everything
[16:03] <Guest54736> yes i read once that in linux generic 3.3 is simulating a microsoft windows startup and so working better with bios bugs,  the windows i have installed is silent and cool
[16:03] <Guest54736> how can i install the 3.3 kernel backend?#
[16:05] <holstein> Guest54736: you can always look for a live CD that has the kernel you are looking for to see if that is actually going to be helpfu
[16:06] <holstein> Guest54736: could be the graphics driver would really make the difference.. i have a via chip that just gets hot, and theres nothing to do about it really
[16:06] <holstein> Guest54736: wont do any good comparing the windows drivers with the linux drivers
[16:06] <Guest54736> a live cd of xubuntu? sorry i dont understand ur workaround...
[16:07] <holstein> Guest54736: its not a workaround.. its a troubleshooting step
[16:07] <Guest54736> :)
[16:08] <holstein> Guest54736: you are proposing that the 3.3 kernel will help.. im proposing finding *any* live CD that has that kernel
[16:08] <Guest54736> ah ok
[16:08] <holstein> you pop it it.. boot.. test... you dont effect the machine at all.. and you get to see if it *actually* helps or not
[16:08] <holstein> in my case, its the grahpics driver... the machine gets hot just as you are experiencing.. this is a VIA graphics chip and will never be properly supported
[16:09] <Guest54736> ok live cd's sound good
[16:09] <Guest54736> i will give that a try
[16:09] <holstein> Guest54736: is that you issue?... i dont know.. you can use that tool aquix suggested to get more information about the harware... you could open a terminal and run lspci
[16:10] <Phips-> hi
[16:15] <Guest54736> lspci  says  00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
[16:15] <Guest54736> can i trust inxi?
[16:15] <aquix> yup :)
[16:15] <Guest54736> how to find the installed graphic driver and where to find more?
[16:17] <aquix> in terminal:    inxi -h       to see all the options                inxi -G       for graphic card info
[16:18] <Phips-> when I mount the Win-partition to the Xubuntu-partition, can I find these pics etc at Win too or are they now only on Xubuntu?
[16:19] <aquix> if you can access files on the linux partition from windows?
[16:20] <Phips-> at the moment I can´t find anything from the win-p. at Linux
[16:21] <Phips-> but I want to see and edit all the files at Win & Ubuntu
[16:21] <Phips-> but don´t want to have them two times at the hard drive
[16:21] <Phips-> *twice :)
[16:22] <aquix> the partitions get's mounted each time you boot the machine. it's easy to mount windows partitions in linux. but you have to use a program in windows to access a linux partition. ( windows don't play well with others)
[16:23] <Phips-> ok, so I have the Files at the OS I´m using at the moment
[16:23] <Guest54736> ah ok so the drivers are in the kernel? when i  upgrade the kernel i get other drivers?
[16:23] <Phips-> hm?
[16:24] <Phips-> ah ok ^^
[16:24] <Phips-> other prob :d
[16:24] <aquix> Phips-, what are you using now?
[16:24] <Phips-> as standard Win
[16:24] <Phips-> and there are all the files ^^
[16:25] <aquix> your in windows right now?
[16:25] <Phips-> you mean that I´m online now with Win?
[16:25] <aquix> yeah?
[16:26] <Phips-> yes, but at an other comp
[16:26] <aquix> ah, ok.
[16:26] <Guest54736> i know my graphic card is in the intel processor integrated and there is a kernel module "i915 intel graphics"  sounds good?!?
[16:28] <aquix> Phips-,  well, if you use the windows partition for your files (ntfs file system).  then you can mount that with ease in linux, and use it like any other partition. so you have the same files i both windows and linux.
[16:28] <aquix> if I explained that righly :)
[16:28] <Phips-> i hope so
[16:28] <Phips-> :d
[16:29] <Phips-> and what is ease o.O
[16:29] <aquix> Phips-,  I once had a dual boot of win7 and linux mint. I then had virtualbox on the mint machine with win7 and saved the files in virtualbox on the windows partition.   :p
[16:30] <aquix> Phips- ease means it's easy to do.
[16:30] <Phips-> yes I have that now :d
[16:30] <Phips-> sry, from Germany
[16:31] <aquix> no worries
[16:31] <aquix> I thought everyone in Germany used opensuse    :)
[16:31] <Phips-> :p
[16:32] <Phips-> so, is a programm for that mounting necessary or works it with a command?
[16:33] <craigbass1976> Is it just me, or are the bottom two corners of windows really hard to grab?
[16:34] <aquix>  Phips-  not for what you want. Just come to this chat next time you are in linux.   You have to add an entry into your /etc/fstab, but that is done  in 2 min.
[16:35] <aquix> brb. smokes.
[16:35] <Phips-> ok
[16:35] <Phips-> I´ve read about this here http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/mount#Datentraeger-einhaengen
[16:38] <Phips-> when I understand that right I have to incorporate a file in /etc/fstab
[16:41] <mssssm> Hi, the 12.04 xubuntu live disk kernel panics after about 2 minutes (of loading screen)
[16:43] <aquix> Phips-  this guy have good tutorials    http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindowsfstab
[16:43] <Phips-> ouh thx ^^
[16:44] <aquix> np
[16:44] <Phips-> psychocat :d
[16:45] <Phips-> and this pic at the top ^^ :d
[16:45] <aquix> good nick :)
[16:45] <Phips-> ^^
[16:47] <Phips-> I would appreciate it when sb may help me at this "operation" ;)
[16:48] <Phips-> so, i´ll connect again when I´m on Xubuntu, i have xchat already taken in operation
[16:48] <aquix> just ask here. most people have done it before
[16:48] <Phips-> so, i think that´s going to work ^^
[16:48] <Phips-> ok
[16:48] <Phips-> much thanks
[16:48] <Phips-> see you soon bye
[17:37] <cc_INC> For the past two weeks I've been trying to get Xubuntu on my Mac G5. No success so far. Apperently there is something wrong with the xorg.conf file. I intend to write a small but clear how-to as soon as I get it working properly.
[17:56] <mips1911> cc_INC did not even know they still did ppc releases
[18:05] <xubuntu085> hi
[18:06] <grifo74> hi any idia to put my intel graphic card work with 3d drivers?
[18:06] <xubuntu085> sorry
[18:07] <xubuntu085> i am did not finish the instalation
[18:16] <grelot> is worth going from ubuntu 10.04 to Xubuntu 12.04 ?
[18:19] <astraljava> grelot: Depends on how much you appreciate stability. If you're not in a hurry, wait up until the first point release, when the update-manager will recommend doing so.
[18:19] <grelot> ok
[18:19] <astraljava> grelot: After that you can just install xubuntu-desktop, and everything's great.
[18:20] <n-iCe> hello
[18:20] <grelot> I am testing it with a live usb. it looks nice
[18:20] <n-iCe> I'm installing Xubuntu, any tips?
[18:20] <n-iCe> Indeed I'm downloading...
[18:21] <grelot> get rid of the bottom panel
[18:22] <n-iCe> hehe
[18:22] <n-iCe> and what panel should I use?
[18:22] <cc_INC> mips1911 I intend to use the mini.iso from the Ubuntu PowerPC download page. This is a base command line system only.
[18:22] <cc_INC> After installing I need to download a desktop. My choice will be Xubuntu as I am a big big Xubuntu fan.
[18:23] <cc_INC> Today I will give it another try and edit the xorg.conf so I can get my Mac G5 Nvidia card to work properly.
[18:23] <cc_INC> First few attempts gave me a blank screen.
[18:24] <cc_INC> The last few attempts gave me a Xubuntu desktop that looked like my 3 year old had drawn and painted the desktop.
[18:24] <mips1911> there's also xfce 4.10 released 10 days ago but for PPC you might have to compile from source
[18:24] <cc_INC> So I'm making a little progress :)
[18:25] <cc_INC> Yeah I will wait till Xubuntu comes with Xfce 4.10
[18:25] <cc_INC> I'm lazy :)
[18:29] <mips1911> 4.10 will only appear in 12.10 xubuntu
[18:36] <aquix> how much better is 4.10 than 4.8?
[18:37] <baizon> aquix: i will install it because of tiling!
[18:38] <baizon> aquix: http://xfce.org/about/tour
[18:38] <baizon> there you have all changes
[18:39] <aquix> is tiling anything like the compiz scale feature?
[18:39] <baizon> aquix: you mean?
[18:40] <baizon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19X0gng_-qk
[18:40] <baizon> its like this
[18:40] <aquix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHesPRMTTSg
[18:40] <baizon> that isnt tiling
[18:40] <baizon> but you can install compiz :P
[18:41] <aquix> I have. and scale is the only thing I use it for because hot corner/edges are the most brilliant thing ever
[18:41] <aquix> feels like overkill though
[18:41] <baizon> what is it?
[18:42] <Guest99770> hi!  im back. mz problem is still that the machine is hot and loud.  i trzed now kernel 3.3 with fedora 17 beta live cd, but still the same
[18:42] <baizon> Guest99770: ?
[18:42] <baizon> your pc is hot?
[18:42] <holstein> Guest99770: what graphics driver?... what graphics hardware?
[18:42] <Guest99770> as i have a samsung notebook there are onlz officiallz suported windows drivers
[18:43] <aquix> you can touch an screen edge/corner with your mouse (no clicking) and get all the open windows in a fullscreen menu
[18:43] <Guest99770> wait
[18:43] <baizon> aquix: a ok
[18:44] <baizon> aquix: dont think this will be implemented soon
[18:45] <aquix> I know, because that would be a completely perfect day :)
[18:45] <baizon> hehe
[18:45] <baizon> i personally dont need that stuff
[18:46] <aquix> it's addictive. I have used compiz for over a year, and I can't live withpout it.
[18:46] <holstein> thats what i used to say...
[18:47] <baizon> how come?
[18:47] <aquix> what did you do about it?
[18:47] <mips1911> can't stand compiz, even got xfce compositing turned off
[18:48] <baizon> thats the only thing i have thats "shiny" :D the xfce compositions :)
[18:48] <Guest99770> Machine is Samsung P580 Pro Penfield   Graphic is    intel HD Graphics   im now in Fedora... cant see the driver   it was in xubuntu 12.04 something csalled  i*number* intel graphics revision 12
[18:48] <baizon> Guest99770: cpu speed?
[18:48] <aquix> I know compiz is bloat, but its features are soo good :)
[18:48] <baizon> and graphics card clock would be nice
[18:49] <Guest99770> baiyon ure talking to me_
[18:49] <holstein> Guest99770: intel is usually weel supported... i would not be afraid to boot up 10.04 and see how an earlier kernel supports that hardware
[18:49] <holstein> well*
[18:49] <Guest99770> mhm ok
[18:50] <mips1911> holstein, what about the intel drivers in the x-swat ppa, any good?
[18:50] <Guest99770> what about older kernels>? are there no security issues?
[18:50] <holstein> mips1911: i havent needed to try them... not a bad suggestion for Guest99770 though
[18:50] <holstein> Guest99770: not from a live CD
[18:50] <holstein> Guest99770: ubuntu 10.04 is supported for another year on the desktop
[18:51] <holstein> Guest99770: you need only boot something that "works" then you can troubleshoot the current set up
[18:51] <Guest99770> this means 1 zear security fixes?
[18:51] <Guest99770> xubuntu too?
[18:51] <holstein> xubuntu = ubuntu
[18:51] <Guest99770> ok
[18:51] <Guest99770> so i find something that works
[18:51] <mips1911> holstein, I think I will be trying them tomorrow some time for my 12.04 lubuntu install
[18:52] <aquix> Guest99770  Do you only have the intel card, or do you have an nvidia card there as well?
[18:52] <Guest99770> and then i look at the setup *how can i do that?)
[18:52] <holstein> yeah... sounds like something you'd see from nvidia or via hardware
[18:52] <Guest99770> and trz to put it into 12.04
[18:52] <Guest99770> no only onboard graphic intel chip
[18:53] <Guest99770> i bought it because its always colder and more silent ...
[18:53] <holstein> i kind of tolerate it on my via hardware.. i think loud and hot is still more suitable for me than windows... this machine came with SUSE preloaded too, which is odd
[18:53] <Guest99770> the cpu load is 0 - 1 percent and the fan is loud and the machine is hot
[18:54] <Guest99770> yes ure right but my battery gets fucked of it
[18:54] <Guest99770> and im afraid of the rest of the hardware
[18:54] <holstein> Guest99770: i would find the *exact* #'s for the graphics card, and search the forums.. and stop cussing in here
[18:54] <holstein> Guest99770: there was a kernel patch for my EEE i found... thats intel
[18:55] <Guest99770> the exact name?  the exact driver
[18:55] <holstein> Guest99770: i personally fear windows more than replacing some hardware.. but thats just me
[18:55] <holstein> Guest99770: i run lspci.. i see 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller
[18:56] <holstein> i drop that into google like this.. "ubuntu wiki Intel Corporation N10 Family" or something like that
[18:56] <Guest99770> kernel patches ... how to install them>?  i found many on my searchsurfs but dont know how to use
[18:56] <holstein> Guest99770: you dont have one... nor do you know you need one.. so i say, dont worry about that til you know you need it
[18:57] <holstein> Guest99770: i am offering troubleshooting advice.. without the machine in front of me, thats about the best i can do
[18:57] <Guest99770> ok thanks a lot!
[18:57] <Guest99770> i know now how to get further ...
[18:57] <Guest99770> thank u
[18:57] <holstein> Guest99770: sure.. take it slow... run xubuntu in VM or virtualbox.. buy a machine for $20 at a charity shop...
[18:58] <holstein> Guest99770: i say, take some time and get your feet wet with the OS.. like you did with windows likely
[18:58] <holstein> imagine its day one with windows and the fan is kicking up.. you wouldnt "fix" it.. you'd just tolerate it for a bit
[18:58] <Guest99770> i have xubuntu alrady installed and windows kicked in the trash
[18:59] <Guest99770> yes im dealing with this now for half a year and now i want to change it to be able to use my computer everywhere with battery
[18:59] <Guest99770> i found things about hot machines
[19:00] <Guest99770> as far as i know for now
[19:00] <Guest99770> it could be because of bios bugs
[19:00] <holstein> Guest99770: i get less battery with all my machines with linux on them, and i consider that to be worth the hassle
[19:00] <Guest99770> and windows is curing them
[19:00] <Guest99770> ubuntu not
[19:00] <holstein> Guest99770: it could be.. flash the bios
[19:00] <Guest99770> but thats what kernel 3.3 tries to do too ... emulation windows acapi ...
[19:01] <holstein> the via machine i keep mentioning did much better with an earlier bios i flashed to it
[19:01] <holstein> Guest99770: i dont think that is the issue... but i could be wrong
[19:01] <Guest99770> ok im afraid of flash9ing the bios but i think too that i should try that ... the is an update of evil samsung out
[19:02] <Guest99770> they provide only the new bios and not the old one
[19:02] <holstein> Guest99770: maybe put windows back on and sell it.. take the money and buy some used hardware you wont be afraid of
[19:02] <Guest99770> if its worse after (samsung recomends windows) arg
[19:02] <holstein> or get a system76 rig
[19:04] <mips1911> system76 is expensive, you are better off sourcing your own stuff and building a rig
[19:04] <Guest99770> system76 rig?
[19:05] <mneptok> mips1911: not so easily done with laptops.
[19:06] <Guest99770> system76 are good? what about them so special?
[19:07] <Guest99770> they are designed for ubuntu
[19:07] <holstein> arguably better off.. i say its worth the $$
[19:09] <mneptok> Zareason. Emperor Linux. blah blah.
[19:11] <mips1911> Guest99770, they are actually just rebranded laptops from laptops from other manufacturers, last time I checked (about 2-3yrs ago) they were using Asus laptops.
[19:13] <Guest99770> thez look very muchlike my laptop ..
[19:27] <Guest99770> thx  bye
[19:41] <rolesp> hello all
[19:42] <rolesp> I get this error from Monodevelop: Error when trying to load the project Project does not support framework '.NETFramework,Version=v4.0'
[19:43] <rolesp> think something is missing, but can't find anything in the repositories
[20:17] <alex__> hello all
[20:20] <Unit193> !hi
[20:25] <alex__> I installed Xubuntu on an old P4 and I like it.  I'm starting to get into networking, so I'm buying up a few old systems and going to hook them up
[20:31] <n-iCe> hello
[20:32] <mips1911> hi
[20:32] <n-iCe> I'm trying to move the thing in my panel
[20:32] <n-iCe> But I cannot send all the icons to the left they keep on the left, what should I add to move them to the right?
[20:34] <mips1911> what "thing"
[20:34] <n-iCe> icons
[20:34] <n-iCe> time, date, notifications apps menu
[20:35] <mips1911> is the stuff on you panel not locked?
[20:36] <Infy_> Anyone here using tint2?
[20:36] <n-iCe> mips1911: I can't move it to the left
[20:37] <mips1911> I can move mine
[20:37] <mips1911> Infy_, in my openbox setup I do
[20:37] <n-iCe> mips1911: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05082012-033640pm.php
[20:38] <n-iCe> see above
[20:38] <n-iCe> I can't move them to the left
[20:38] <Infy_> mips1911: I'm running x64 xubuntu and having this issue
[20:38] <n-iCe> right*
[20:39] <aguitel> is ppa avaleable to upgrade xfce to 4.10 ?
[20:39] <Infy_> http://code.google.com/p/tint2/issues/detail?id=353
[20:39] <Infy_> Any suggestions?
[20:40] <mips1911> Infy+. do you have a seperator on the panel
[20:41] <Infy_> A separator? What do you mean?
[20:41] <mips1911> aguitel, yes!
[20:41] <Infy_> A separator in xfce4-panel?
[20:41] <aguitel> mips1911, could you send to me the url ?
[20:41] <mips1911> Infy_ hang five so I can do a screenshot and upload
[20:41] <Infy_> kk
[20:42] <mips1911> aguitel, https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa
[20:43] <aguitel> mips1911, this is pre xfce 4.10 ? or not
[20:44] <mips1911> no, 4.10. If you want I can start up my xubuntu 12.04 vm with 4.8
[20:44] <mips1911> Infy_ http://ompldr.org/vZG83dQ/panel.png on 4.10
[20:44] <aguitel> mips1911, how start with 4.8
[20:45] <Infy_> Ah
[20:45] <mips1911> aguitel, what do you mean?
[20:45] <Infy_> but what does that have to do with tint2? I still can't get it to render
[20:45] <aguitel> mips1911, you make the upgrade ?
[20:45] <mips1911> Infy_ hang 5 and I'll give you the default 4.8 setup in 12.04
[20:46] <mips1911> aguitel, add the ppa to your repos, sudo apt-get update and then install xfdesktop I think
[20:47] <aguitel> you make it?
[20:47] <aguitel> it works?
[20:48] <mips1911> aguitel, no one of the xubuntu team members made it. Yes it works fine
[20:50] <aguitel> mips1911, you advise to make the upgrade or to wait more time ?
[20:50] <mips1911> Infy_ stock xubuntu 12.04 panel layout http://ompldr.org/vZG84Mw/panel2.png
[20:50] <Infy_> thanks
[20:51] <mips1911> aguitel, that's up to you, I'm happy with it. There is no official support for it though.
[21:02] <mips1911> Infy_, did you come right?
[22:00] <n-iCe> Weird
[22:00] <n-iCe> I really can't move the icons in the top bar to the right
[22:03] <GridCube> n-iCe, go to the panel preferences, and edit the position of elements from there
[22:04] <n-iCe> yeah but all the icons are in the left
[22:05] <knome> add a separator if you have removed them
[22:06] <n-iCe> oh that could be
[22:06] <n-iCe> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05082012-050442pm.php
[22:06] <n-iCe> the separator must go before or after?
[22:07] <knome> after the skype launcher
[22:07] <knome> then make it expand
[22:07] <knome> if it doesn't, by default
[22:08] <n-iCe> THAT DID IT
[22:08] <n-iCe> Awesome
[22:08] <n-iCe> thanks knome
[22:10] <knome> no problem
[22:12] <n-iCe> I'm loving xubuntu
[22:12] <knome> great to hear that
[22:19] <n-iCe> I'll be around
[22:20] <n-iCe> something is different here too
[22:20] <n-iCe> I can't move/grab the windows to set it in other place
[22:20] <n-iCe> in the window buttons
[22:22] <GridCube> what?
[22:22] <n-iCe> you the see windows buttons right?
[22:22] <n-iCe> when you open a site, or a terminal or a software are listed in the windows buttons
[22:23] <n-iCe> but if I launch gimp at the end, after lunched two terminal windows
[22:23] <GridCube> oh yes
[22:23] <n-iCe> I can't move the gimp window button to the beggining, before the 2 terminals buttons
[22:23] <n-iCe> why?
[22:23] <GridCube> you have to go to the options and choose the option to allow drag and drop
[22:24] <GridCube> because the default state is to not allow it
[22:24] <n-iCe> done
[22:24] <n-iCe> again, thanks
[22:24] <knome> GridCube, i didn't know that either :)
[22:24] <n-iCe> awesome
[22:25] <GridCube> :P
[22:25] <aquix> lock panel  your talking about?
[22:25] <GridCube> nope
[22:30] <n-iCe> on system monitor, proccesor says: Intel® Core™2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz × 2
[22:30] <n-iCe> I assume by x2 is because is detecting both, right?
[22:31] <knome> n-iCe, i imagine so
[22:41] <rolesp> I get this error from Monodevelop: Error when trying to load the project Project does not support framework '.NETFramework,Version=v4.0'
[22:41] <rolesp> think something is missing, but can't find anything in the repositories
[22:45] <GridCube> !mono
[22:47] <rolesp> maybe ubottu is sleeping
[22:47] <GridCube> he doesnt know
[22:48] <Unit193> !gender
[22:48] <GridCube> rolesp, you might better ask in ##mono
[22:48] <GridCube> :)
[22:49] <rolesp> ok GridCube, I try, thanks
[22:49] <rolesp> is in this server?
[23:30] <CellTech> xubuntu with lxde :D I love it
[23:30] <CellTech> How can I install and try trinity, or is it even worth it
[23:30] <knome> that sounds like lubuntu
[23:31] <n-iCe> haha


[20:25] <ejat> test 123
[20:25] <UbuntuMYtgBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[20:30] <ejat> test 123
[20:30] <UbuntuMYtgBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[20:33] <ejat> test
[20:33] <UbuntuMYtgBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[20:47] <ejat> hi
[20:47] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[21:02] <ejat> hi
[21:02] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[21:14] <ejat> test 123
[21:14] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[21:14] <ejat> 123
[21:14] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[21:16] <ejat> 123
[21:16] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[21:21] <ejat> 123
[21:21] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[21:28] <ejat> 123
[21:28] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[21:33] <ejat> 123
[21:33] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[21:44] <ejat> ello
[21:44] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[21:51] <ejat> test
[21:51] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[21:57] <ejat> 123
[21:57] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[21:58] <ejat> 123
[21:58] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[21:59] <ejat> 123
[21:59] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[22:10] <ejat> helo
[22:10] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[22:14] <ejat> 123456789
[22:14] <UbuntuMYBot> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[22:27] <UbuntuMYBot1> No chat_id set! Add me to a Telegram group and say hi so I can find your group's chat_id!
[22:32] <ejat> hello
[22:33] <ejat> alhamdulillah .. finally ...
[22:33] <ejat> officially link #ubuntu-my freenode with Ubuntu Malaysia Loco Team telegram Group
[22:38] <ejat> hmmm ..
[22:39] <ejat> adakah sbb supergroup ?
[22:40] <UbuntuMYBot1> @ejat, network kot?
[22:40] <meetingology> UbuntuMYBot1: Error: "ejat," is not a valid command.
[22:41] <UbuntuMYBot1> @Saliman_Imz, ye la tu kut .. dah working dah
[22:41] <meetingology> UbuntuMYBot1: Error: "Saliman_Imz," is not a valid command.
[22:43] <UbuntuMYBot1> awazwa was added by: awazwa
[22:44] <ejat> @apogeek dah zzzZZZzzzz ker
[22:44] <meetingology> ejat: Error: "apogeek" is not a valid command.
[22:48] <ejat> !help
[22:48] <lubotu2`> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[22:48] <ejat> !patience
[22:48] <lubotu2`> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/
[22:53] <UbuntuMYBot1> keypadandroid was added by: keypadandroid
[23:03] <ejat> dari sini mcm xde delay langsung
[23:47] <ejat> adei .. pelik2


[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:00]  * sil2100 is around but preparing late lunch
[15:00] <sil2100> ahasenack: IIRC you wanted to apply today, right?
[15:00] <ahasenack> sil2100: yes, but I'm aware many are returning from sprints, so I'm not sure if the meeting will have quorum
[15:01] <ahasenack> I also just returned from a sprint, am still a bit groggy from the long travel :)
[15:01] <sil2100> Let's try, if not would you mind moving it to the next meeting? Or you want to go by e-mail? (there's a chance we'd do better this time)
[15:01] <ahasenack> I'm fine with moving it to the next meeting
[15:02] <cyphermox> o/
[15:02] <jbicha> o/
[15:04] <sil2100> \o
[15:05] <sil2100> Still one to go for quorum
[15:05] <tsimonq2> o/
[15:06] <sil2100> Excellent
[15:08] <tsimonq2> I can't host because I'm on mobile, anyone else want to get this rolling?
[15:09] <sil2100> I can, but won't be able to react super fast
[15:09] <sil2100> #startmeeting DMB
[15:09] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 24 15:09:09 2018 UTC.  The chair is sil2100. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:09] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:09] <sil2100> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:09] <sil2100> I see no action items, so let's proceed to applications
[15:09] <sil2100> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications
[15:10] <sil2100> #subtopic Andreas Hasenack (ahasenack)
[15:10] <sil2100> ahasenack: o/
[15:10] <sil2100> ahasenack: could you introduce yourself?
[15:10] <ahasenack> hello!
[15:10] <ahasenack> I'm Andreas Hasenack, this is my Coredev application: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreasHasenack/CoredevApplication
[15:10] <sil2100> Application: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreasHasenack/CoredevApplication
[15:10] <sil2100> Ah ;)
[15:11] <ahasenack> I became an ubuntu server developer last year, and since then I'm working on many more packages in ubuntu server
[15:11] <ahasenack> my current passion is adding/fixing dep8 tests
[15:11] <ahasenack> I'm also striving to push our changes back to upstream and debian
[15:12] <ahasenack> in my application I listed a few examples of each of these aspects of what I'm doing
[15:12] <cyphermox> I especially like the "things I like the least" section
[15:13] <ahasenack> in the sprint last week one of those was addressed
[15:13] <ahasenack> the "packages stuck in migration-proposed" one
[15:13] <ahasenack> now there is https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/cosmic/update_excuses_by_team.html
[15:14] <sil2100> It's a very good and detailed application btw.
[15:14] <cyphermox> ahasenack: yep
[15:14] <cyphermox> ahasenack: I'm preparing to address one more today ;)
[15:14] <ahasenack> nice!
[15:14] <ahasenack> ocfs2-tools and mysql are being addressed
[15:14] <ahasenack> ruby is new, but I've seen an email about it being checked already (in our team)
[15:15] <ahasenack> I also like going after ftbfs issues, doko's email is always a good summary
[15:16] <ahasenack> sil2100: thanks
[15:18] <tsimonq2> I'm ready to vote; very solid application. :)
[15:19] <sil2100> Any questions? jbicha, cyphermox?
[15:19] <cyphermox> nope. Solid application, I like what I see
[15:19] <jbicha> I don't have any questions here
[15:20] <sil2100> Ok, let's start voting then
[15:20] <sil2100> #vote ahasenack coredev application
[15:20] <meetingology> Please vote on: ahasenack coredev application
[15:20] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:20] <tsimonq2> +1 Keep up the great work
[15:20] <meetingology> +1 Keep up the great work received from tsimonq2
[15:20] <sil2100> +1
[15:20] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[15:20] <jbicha> +1
[15:20] <meetingology> +1 received from jbicha
[15:21] <cyphermox> +1
[15:21] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[15:21] <sil2100> #endvote
[15:21] <meetingology> Voting ended on: ahasenack coredev application
[15:21] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:21] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:21] <sil2100> ahasenack: congratulations!
[15:21] <ahasenack> thank you guys!
[15:21] <tsimonq2> Congrats!
[15:21] <sil2100> I guess everyone saw it coming
[15:21] <sil2100> ;)
[15:22] <ahasenack> let's make ubuntu rock even more
[15:22] <tsimonq2> woot
[15:22] <sil2100> +1!
[15:22] <sil2100> #action sil2100 to add ahasenack to core-dev and send announcements
[15:22] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to add ahasenack to core-dev and send announcements
[15:22] <sil2100> I'll take care of it once I'm done with lunch
[15:22] <sil2100> #topic AOB
[15:22] <sil2100> Any other business for today?
[15:22] <tsimonq2> One thing, perhaps.
[15:23] <tsimonq2> (sec to type it)
[15:23] <sil2100> Ok, I'll brb in a minute with some food
[15:24] <tsimonq2> infinity was maybe talking about making the DMB core-dev only (rather than ubuntu-dev) once I became a core-dev. Is that something everyone would be comfortable doing? Is this something we enforce or the TB does? Thoughts? :)
[15:25] <cyphermox> I don't know that it's absolutely necessary
[15:25] <cyphermox> but I'm not opposed to it
[15:26] <cyphermox> I mean, it's not because one is not a core-dev that one can't evaluate the application of people
[15:26] <cyphermox> the only issue is that it in theory gives access to grant core-dev to oneself.
[15:26] <tsimonq2> Right.
[15:28] <tsimonq2> Should I raise this on the mailing list maybe?
[15:28] <sil2100> I think we need to bring it up for discussion somewhere with more people
[15:29] <sil2100> This feels to me like the kind of thing that I'd prefer to let the TB decide as well
[15:30] <cyphermox> well, there's some benefit on having a concensus among the DMB first ;)
[15:30] <tsimonq2> Agreed on both points
[15:30] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: you were in that position, maybe send the email, and bring up how it was for you?
[15:31] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Sure.
[15:31] <sil2100> Sure, not saying we shouldn't have consensus in the DMB, I was talking more about the actual final decision
[15:31] <cyphermox> yeah, absolutely
[15:31] <sil2100> tsimonq2: thanks!
[15:31] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: thanks! :)
[15:31] <tsimonq2> np :)
[15:31] <tsimonq2> Anything else?
[15:31] <sil2100> Any other topics?
[15:32] <cyphermox> nothing here
[15:32] <sil2100> #endmeeting
[15:32] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 24 15:32:41 2018 UTC.
[15:32] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-09-24-15.09.moin.txt
[15:32] <ahasenack> cheers
[15:32] <cyphermox> thanks sil2100
[15:32] <tsimonq2> Thanks everyone
[15:32] <cyphermox> ahasenack: congrats
[15:32] <sil2100> Thanks everyone o/
[15:32] <ahasenack> thanks
[15:33] <tsimonq2> ahasenack: Congrats :)
[15:33] <ahasenack> :)
[15:33] <ahasenack> cya
[15:34] <tsimonq2> o/
[16:31] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:31] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:31] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:31] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:31] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 24 16:31:46 2018 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:31] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:31] <jdstrand> The generalist role rotation for this week as follows:
[16:31] <jdstrand> CVE Triage: sarnold, Bug Triage: sbeattie, Community: amurray, Happy Place: mdeslaur, leosilva, ebarretto,  msalvatore
[16:32] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security Team is hiring! Please see: Ubuntu Security engineer: https://boards.greenhouse.io/canonical/jobs/1158266?t=8c0a6c1f1
[16:32] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:32] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:32] <jdstrand> This week I plan to work on:
[16:32] <jdstrand>    * continue brand store snap declarations
[16:32] <jdstrand>    * continue kubernetes-support interfaces
[16:32] <jdstrand>    * various snapd PR reviews
[16:32] <jdstrand>    * iterate on docker PRs
[16:33] <jdstrand> that's it from me. mdes laur is off today. sbeattie, you're up
[16:33] <sbeattie> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:33] <sbeattie> I have an imagemagick update to finish up
[16:34] <sbeattie> I have some kernel signoffs to complete and the usual kernel cve triage to handle
[16:34] <sbeattie> I also have an embargoed issue on my plate
[16:34] <sbeattie> I also have some apparmor tasks to look at.
[16:35] <sbeattie> That'll more than likely consume my week.
[16:35] <sbeattie> jjohansen: over to you.
[16:37] <jdstrand> let's come back to jjohansen
[16:37] <jdstrand> sarnold: go ahead
[16:37] <jjohansen> oops sorry
[16:37] <ebarretto> jdstrand, sarnold is out today
[16:38] <jdstrand> oh, I forgot
[16:38] <jdstrand> CheGuevara978: go ahead
[16:39] <jdstrand> meh
[16:39] <jdstrand> CheGuevara978: nm
[16:39] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: go ahead
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> heh
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> I'm expecting a firefox update from the desktop team this week to test and publish
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> I'm also working on the woff2 MIR
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> those shouldn't take up my whole week, so I'll be available to take on some other stuff too
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> that's me done
[16:40] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: can you pick the next item off the reviews lane?
[16:41] <jdstrand> leosilva: go ahead
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, sure
[16:41] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: thanks!
[16:41] <ebarretto> jdstrand, leosilva is also out this week
[16:42] <jdstrand> jeez
[16:42] <jdstrand> ebarretto: perhaps I should have run this by you :)
[16:42] <jdstrand> ebarretto: thanks
[16:42] <jdstrand> msalvatore: go ahead
[16:42] <msalvatore> I'm in the happy place this week.
[16:43] <msalvatore> I'm planning on focusing on CVE fixes all week unless something else comes up.
[16:43] <msalvatore> That's it for me.
[16:44] <jdstrand> msalvatore: did you have particular fixes in mind?
[16:44] <jdstrand> msalvatore: in terms of source packages?
[16:45] <msalvatore> jdstrand: I'm working through a lot of re-triage ATM. I'm pushing out a fix for sleuthkit today. After that, I may tackle some nodejs issues.
[16:45] <jdstrand> cool, thanks
[16:45] <jdstrand> ebarretto: you're up
[16:45] <jdstrand> ebarretto: you're not going to tell me you are off today are you?
[16:45] <ebarretto> jdstrand, nope heeheh
[16:46] <ebarretto> I'm in the happy place this week:
[16:46] <ebarretto> - I am working on updating opencv for bionic and devel, just finishing tests
[16:46] <ebarretto> - I am also working on updating hdf5 for bionic and devel, also finishing tests
[16:46] <ebarretto> - I will also work on libav for trusty (this might take some time based on the number of CVEs for this package)
[16:46] <ebarretto> - continue retriaging CVEs
[16:46] <ebarretto> that's it for me
[16:46] <jdstrand> jjohansen: go ahead
[16:46] <jjohansen> I am working on apparmor items for the 4.20 pull request: mjg secmark patch, kernel_t label for kernel network tasks, and the nonewprivs work. In addition I am work on LSM stacking patches
[16:47] <jjohansen> that is it for me and will take me well beyond this week :(
[16:48] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:48] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team suggests that contributors look into merging Debian security updates in community-supported packages. If you would like to help Ubuntu but are not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. See http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/ for available merges and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details on preparing Ubuntu security
[16:48] <jdstrand> updates. If you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-hardened. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:48] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:48] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:49] <jdstrand> sbeattie, jjohansen, chrisccoulson, msalvatore, ebarretto: thanks!
[16:50] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[16:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 24 16:50:01 2018 UTC.
[16:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-09-24-16.31.moin.txt
[16:51] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[16:55] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!


[01:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: secure-delete (impish-proposed/universe) [3.1-6ubuntu2 => 3.1-7] (no packageset) (sync)
[01:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted secure-delete [sync] (impish-proposed) [3.1-7]
[01:48] <bdmurray> There'll be a rebuild of images which use linux-raspi in a bit
[03:20] <RAOF> slyon: WRT systemd in Focal phased-updater whitelisting - do we know if the new, less frequent crashes are hitting the same set of people?
[03:23] <RAOF> Because if they're hitting different people then fewer crashes is a less-clear win.
[03:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922)
[04:15] <bdmurray> I've started the respin of raspi images
[04:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server arm64+raspi [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922)
[04:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server armhf+raspi [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922)
[04:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop arm64+raspi [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922)
[06:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base amd64 [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922)
[06:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base arm64 [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922)
[06:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base armhf [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922)
[06:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base ppc64el [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922)
[06:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base riscv64 [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922)
[06:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base s390x [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922)
[06:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mame (impish-proposed/universe) [0.235+dfsg.1-1 => 0.235+dfsg.1-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[06:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mame [source] (impish-proposed) [0.235+dfsg.1-1ubuntu1]
[07:21] <seb128> oSoMoN, hey there, so the current impish iso has firefox as a snap and a deb, we probably need ubuntu-desktop source uploaded for the deb removal to be active?
[07:22] <oSoMoN> seb128, right, I can take care of that
[07:22] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks! I mentioned it on ~Desktop yesterday but I was unsure if that was something bdmurray was handling or he spoke just of the supported seeds changes
[07:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ms-gsl (impish-proposed/universe) [3.1.0-4ubuntu2 => 3.1.0-4ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[07:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ms-gsl [source] (impish-proposed) [3.1.0-4ubuntu3]
[07:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: stress-ng (impish-proposed/universe) [0.13.02-1 => 0.13.03-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[07:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted stress-ng [sync] (impish-proposed) [0.13.03-1]
[07:58] <juergh> bjf, ack. looking.
[09:15] <oSoMoN> seb128, just to make sure, the ubuntu-meta update is something we want in the beta, so it's okay to upload now, right?
[09:21] <seb128> oSoMoN, yes
[09:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-meta (impish-proposed/main) [1.471 => 1.472] (core)
[09:30] <oSoMoN> seb128, ^
[09:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zoneminder (impish-proposed/universe) [1.36.5+dfsg1-1ubuntu1 => 1.36.7+dfsg1-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[09:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ivar (impish-proposed/universe) [1.3.1+dfsg-1ubuntu1 => 1.3.1+dfsg-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[09:35] <seb128> ubuntu release members, could you review ^ for beta, without it the desktop ISO includes firefox as a deb which we don't want anymore
[09:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ivar [sync] (impish-proposed) [1.3.1+dfsg-2]
[09:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zoneminder [sync] (impish-proposed) [1.36.7+dfsg1-1]
[09:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nodejs (impish-proposed/universe) [12.22.5~dfsg-2ubuntu2 => 12.22.5~dfsg-5ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[09:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-settings (impish-proposed/main) [21.10.3 => 21.10.4] (ubuntu-desktop)
[11:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pyroute2 [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.4.21-0.1ubuntu2.1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted blueman [source] (focal-proposed) [2.1.2-1ubuntu0.3]
[11:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ivar (impish-proposed/universe) [1.3.1+dfsg-2 => 1.3.1+dfsg-2ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[11:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ivar [source] (impish-proposed) [1.3.1+dfsg-2ubuntu1]
[11:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tigervnc [source] (hirsute-proposed) [1.11.0+dfsg-2ubuntu0.1]
[14:02] <bdmurray> oSoMoN: can you tell me about the language-selector move?
[14:05] <bdmurray> oSoMoN: also the Firefox snap doesn't seem to be available for every architecture https://snapcraft.io/firefox
[14:08] <seb128> bdmurray, we only build desktop ISOs for amd64 and amd64 no?
[14:09] <oSoMoN> bdmurray, I assumed the language-selector move was a previous seed change that hadn't been followed by an ubuntu-meta update, but now I'm not seeing the corresponding changes in the seed, so I'm confused, it looks like I might have messed up
[14:10] <bdmurray> seb128: that's a good point
[14:11] <seb128> arm64*
[14:12] <seb128> unsure why we have language selector change in there either :-/
[14:14] <bdmurray> Ah I see now
[14:14] <bdmurray> https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/+merge/408418
[14:17] <oSoMoN> ah, I wasn't looking at the correct seed…
[14:17] <oSoMoN> so I didn't mess up after all
[14:20] <seb128> bdmurray, do you have an idea why the recent builds from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/impish/ubuntu-canary are from the primary archive rather than the canary one?
[14:20] <seb128> bdmurray, it's resulting in non working ISO for our new installer
[14:21] <seb128> since we have some overrides we need in the ppa for the installer to work properly
[14:21] <bdmurray> I don't have an immediate answer but will look after finishing ubuntu-meta
[14:23] <bdmurray> I guess you want ubuntu-settings in too since we are doing a respin?
[14:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-meta [source] (impish-proposed) [1.472]
[14:24] <bdmurray> oSoMoN, seb128 ^
[14:24] <seb128> bdmurray, yes
[14:25] <seb128> it's changing the launcher config to include the firefox entry rather than the deb
[14:25] <seb128> +snap
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-settings [source] (impish-proposed) [21.10.4]
[14:29] <slyon> ping ubuntu-release, could someone please whitelist systemd 245.4-4ubuntu3.13 (focal) in the phased-updater? The rational goes here: https://code.launchpad.net/~slyon/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+git/systemd/+merge/408816/comments/1079349
[14:29] <slyon> summary: we have a new crash report (replacing an old one) stopping the phased updates. With the old crash not happening anymore and the new crash happening less frequent, so it's an improvement overall.
[14:29] <bdmurray> slyon: I think RAOF had a question about that
[14:29] <bdmurray> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/09/22/%23ubuntu-release.html
[14:36] <bdmurray> seb128: so the ubuntu-canary project isn't part of the beta and should continue to be built daily. Is that correct?
[14:41] <bdmurray> slyon: also its ubuntu-sru who can override a package phasing issue
[14:42] <slyon> bdmurray: thanks! I must have missed that.
[14:42] <slyon> I will get back to him ten
[14:42] <slyon> then*
[14:53] <seb128> bdmurray, yes
[14:55] <bdmurray> seb128: okay, do you want a manual build of it now or would tomorrow's daily be fine?
[14:57] <bdmurray> I'll just build it now
[14:57] <seb128> bdmurray, now would be nicer if that's not much work for you
[14:57] <seb128> thx
[15:03] <ginggs> would someone please review https://code.launchpad.net/~ginggs/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-cloud/+merge/408934 ?
[15:03] <ginggs> i'm hoping to include that in my +1 report :)
[15:14] <falcojr> bdmurray: for the queued cloud-init uploads, is that something you were still looking at, or is new day new vanguard so rbasak should look at it?
[15:15] <bdmurray> falcojr: I'm a bit busy with the beta so if rbasak could do that would help otherwise I might have some time in a couple of hours
[15:20] <slyon> RAOF: wrt. the systemd focal SRU phased-updater whitelisting: Yes, there is evidence that it does hit the same set of people. I did a spot check on the SystemIdentifiers on errors.ubuntu.com that reported the new crash and found that many of them also reported the old systemd crash in the past, e.g.:
[15:20] <slyon> https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/9d2af7e481319e1328dfe0a2230cdfbb0dbb1d6d80a54d69fa4de8c24a844e6aff7119ce83ef0591a956231f5ceaa06c1fe064adefb60aa3701d28caa5f46cb5 (1st vs 3rd systemd crash)
[15:33] <bdmurray> There'll be rebuilds of Ubuntu Desktop amd64 and Ubuntu Desktop arm64+raspi today
[15:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Budgie Desktop amd64 [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922)
[15:39] <bdmurray> ginggs: merged
[15:40] <ginggs> bdmurray: thanks!
[15:44] <tseliot> bdmurray, hey, did you get my message about ubuntu-drivers-common?
[15:46] <tseliot> bdmurray, this is the missing changelog (the revision after it fixes the failing tests) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/1:0.9.2
[15:46] <bdmurray> tseliot: I did but it would require a respin of just about every image
[15:46] <tseliot> that's too bad
[17:24] <jawn-smith> waveform: trying to decide if something is an iso test case failure or not.
[17:25] <jawn-smith> When working through the wifi test, I got to the step where I run `netplan apply` and noticed that the included /etc/netplan/10-rpi-ethernet-eth0.yaml is causing errors
[17:25] <jawn-smith> Cannot find unique matching interface for eth0: {'driver': 'bcmgenet smsc95xx lan78xx'}
[17:25] <jawn-smith> (wifi works fine though)
[17:28] <bdmurray> I might have seen that too, did it connect though?
[17:31] <jawn-smith> Only after I commented out the contents of that 10-...yaml file
[17:32] <jawn-smith> I found LP: #1918421 that seems to be this
[17:34] <Eickmeyer> Not sure if anybody here saw this, but all, if not most, Electron apps are broken due to glibc as identified by seb128. bug 1944468
[17:35] <bdmurray> Did you see that the bug was tagged rls-ii-incoming? That means the team responsible for package has been / will be alerted about it.
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: I did not see that. I guess that's Foundations that's responsible?
[17:36] <bdmurray> yes
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> Ok, sounds good. Honestly, I didn't know what that tag did to begin with.
[17:37]  * Eickmeyer goes back to regularily scheduled programming
[17:37] <Eickmeyer> (and sorry for the noise)
[17:38] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: so ethernet does not work?
[17:39] <jawn-smith> bdmurray, ethernet does work
[17:39] <jawn-smith> It just wouldn't let me "netplan apply" the wifi changes until I "fixed" the ethernet config
[17:40] <jawn-smith> Still working out how the ethernet came up in the first place if that config was broken
[17:41] <bdmurray> The bug description leads me to believe waveform was working around this at one point in time
[17:42] <jawn-smith> There's an MP linked that supposedly fixes it
[17:51] <waveform> yup, just a mo -- there's a fix that bypasses netplan entirely, just digging out where I put that ...
[18:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: golang-github-opencontainers-specs (impish-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>.g7413a7f-1 => <IP_ADDRESS>.g7413a7f-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (impish-proposed/main) [1:21.10.7 => 1:21.10.8] (core)
[18:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted golang-github-opencontainers-specs [source] (impish-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>.g7413a7f-1ubuntu1]
[18:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: golang-github-containers-common (impish-proposed/universe) [0.38.16+ds1-1 => 0.38.16+ds1-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted golang-github-containers-common [source] (impish-proposed) [0.38.16+ds1-1ubuntu1]
[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libpod (impish-proposed/universe) [3.2.1+ds1-2ubuntu2 => 3.2.1+ds1-2ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[18:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libpod [source] (impish-proposed) [3.2.1+ds1-2ubuntu3]
[19:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (hirsute-proposed) [21.3-1-g6803368d-0ubuntu1~21.04.3]
[19:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (focal-proposed) [21.3-1-g6803368d-0ubuntu1~20.04.3]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (bionic-proposed) [21.3-1-g6803368d-0ubuntu1~18.04.3]
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-release: Ubuntu Studio is running into a critical bug with the live session. I should have an upload before EOD, but we'll be needing a respin.
[19:23] <bdmurray> Eickmeyer: What makes it critical for the Beta image?
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: It's an utter failure of an audio system component.
[19:38] <bdmurray> rebuilding Ubuntu Desktop amd64, Ubuntu Desktop arm64+rapsi and ubuntukylin
[20:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Kylin Desktop amd64 [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922)
[20:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bpython (impish-proposed/universe) [0.21-3 => 0.21-3ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bpython [source] (impish-proposed) [0.21-3ubuntu1]
[20:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922)
[20:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop arm64+raspi [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922.1)
[20:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: firefox (impish-proposed/main) [92.0+build3-0ubuntu2 => 92.0.1+build1-0ubuntu1] (mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: runc (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.0.0~rc95-0ubuntu1~18.04.2 => 1.0.1-0ubuntu2~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[21:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: runc (focal-proposed/main) [1.0.0~rc95-0ubuntu1~20.04.2 => 1.0.1-0ubuntu2~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[21:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected youtube-dl [source] (focal-backports) [2<IP_ADDRESS>-1~ubuntu20.04.1]
[21:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: runc (hirsute-proposed/main) [1.0.0~rc95-0ubuntu1~21.04.2 => 1.0.1-0ubuntu2~21.04.1] (ubuntu-server)
[21:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: containerd (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.5.2-0ubuntu1~18.04.2 => 1.5.5-0ubuntu2~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[21:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: studio-controls (impish-proposed/universe) [2.2.2-0ubuntu1 => 2.2.3-0ubuntu1] (ubuntustudio)
[21:21] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: Any chance I can get an ack for ^? That's the fix for the issue I was talking about.
[21:22] <Eickmeyer> Once that's through I can go ahead and trigger a rebuild.
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> (respin)
[21:26] <bdmurray> so convert-studio-controls is going to run at every session start?
[21:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: containerd (focal-proposed/main) [1.5.2-0ubuntu1~20.04.2 => 1.5.5-0ubuntu2~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[21:26] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: Yes, but it's a no-op if the version numbers match.
[21:27] <Eickmeyer> It simply converts the user's .config/autojack/autojack.json if it's outdated.
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> And creates the initial autojack.json if one doesn't exist.
[21:28] <bdmurray> Okay, I was just wondering if it'd slow things down / waste resources
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> Nope.
[21:29] <bdmurray> I'd think it would because you are running another command only to exit but I've accepted it
[21:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted studio-controls [source] (impish-proposed) [2.2.3-0ubuntu1]
[21:30] <Eickmeyer> It's a reallly low-resource application by design.
[21:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: containerd (hirsute-proposed/main) [1.5.2-0ubuntu1~21.04.2 => 1.5.5-0ubuntu2~21.04.1] (ubuntu-server)
[21:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: golang-github-ishidawataru-sctp (bionic-proposed/primary) [0.0+git20190723.7c296d4-3~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[21:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: docker.io (bionic-proposed/universe) [20.10.7-0ubuntu1~18.04.1 => 20.10.7-0ubuntu4~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[21:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: docker.io (focal-proposed/universe) [20.10.7-0ubuntu1~20.04.1 => 20.10.7-0ubuntu4~20.04.1] (no packageset)
[21:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: docker.io (hirsute-proposed/universe) [20.10.7-0ubuntu1~21.04.1 => 20.10.7-0ubuntu4~21.04.1] (no packageset)
[23:02] <mwhudson> who knows about tzdata?
[23:04] <sarnold> :(
[23:12] <vorlon> mwhudson: bdmurray does
[23:12] <vorlon> also I do
[23:13] <mwhudson> vorlon: there seems to be some drama in tzdb land?
[23:13] <vorlon> I haven't heard, but I also don't pay close attention
[23:14] <mwhudson> vorlon: i'll forward an email i got to foundations-crew, maybe you can take a look / point at someone better when you've finished cabaling
[23:14] <vorlon> k
[23:14] <dbungert> I'm still confused on bad vs reset test.  So on the snapd tests, which are flaky, I expect that a future upload of the deb would resolve this, or also a newer version of the snapd snap to the stable channel would also resolve this.  I belive that this should be a bad test, not reset, due to the flakiness.  Is that right?  If they pass randomly, a later failure on this version isn't a
[23:14] <dbungert> regression.
[23:15] <mwhudson> dbungert: i think the difference is that a reset test will cause a failure to be ignored for any new version until a pass is recorded and a bad test only ignores a failure in that specific version
[23:16] <mwhudson> sarnold: yes
[23:17] <dbungert> ok, so I think bad test is desired here, as I would like to see the next deb upload implement the 'pull from beta channel' thing
[23:17] <mwhudson> agreed
[23:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Kylin Desktop amd64 [Impish Beta] has been updated (20210922.1)
[23:52] <vorlon> dbungert, mwhudson: also I tend to favor badtest for flaky tests for the simple reason that the next time the test un-flakes, without there being a new upload, it's then considered a successful test again
[23:52] <dbungert> actually, I think this hint needs more nuance.  I want to hint to let squashfs-tools and the kernels thru, but we shouldn't let systemd ubuntu7 thru.
[23:57] <vorlon> in that case you want to force-skiptest on the packages that should be allowed through