[02:29] <ScottL> holstein, you around?
[02:29] <holstein> ScottL: pong
[02:30] <ScottL> holstein, got a second to talk?
[02:30] <ScottL> probably a minute or two, actually
[02:32] <holstein> sure
[03:43] <ScottL> persia, i'm working on packaging the -lowlatency kernel, it's going to take me a bit longer than expected
[03:44] <ScottL> for example, the control file is much larger than i expected
[03:44] <ScottL> however, if i do not leave town for a funeral this weekend, i hope to have something for you to check within two days
[20:21] <persia> ScottL, As ever, no particular rush, except that as the cycle proceeds, it gets harder to get NEW :)


[12:37] <melodie> hello,
[12:38] <melodie> I am hitting an issue in Ubuntu Vivid x86_64 with volumeicon, alsa and pulseaudio being both installed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11866421/
[12:39] <melodie> do you know if that is an expected behavior to have it crashing, or not? I also used it before with former editions of Ubuntu and it was ok to work along with pulseaudio
[12:39] <melodie> ?
[13:32] <melodie> I'll brb
[13:44] <melodie> repeating my question:
 I am hitting an issue in Ubuntu Vivid x86_64 with volumeicon, alsa and pulseaudio being both installed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11866421/
[13:45] <melodie> do you know if that is an expected behavior to have it crashing, or not? I also used it before with former editions of Ubuntu and it was ok to work along with pulseaudio
[13:45] <penguin42> melodie: Stuff should never crash
[13:46] <melodie> hi penguin42
[13:46] <penguin42> melodie: If it objects to something in your setup then it should display a nice message and tell you; not crash
[13:47] <penguin42> I'd bug report it
[13:48] <melodie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11866738/
[13:48] <melodie> what do you think from this one?
[13:48] <penguin42> yeh it should never abort
[13:49] <melodie> penguin42 what do you think about this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/volumeicon/+bug/1448493
[13:49] <melodie> :p
[13:51] <penguin42> melodie: Well a please to update the package is a bit different from a bug reporting that the current version is hopelessly broken
[13:52] <melodie> I'm about to bug report for the current version
[13:52] <melodie> then I'll see how trivial compiling the recent one can be, and if not too complicated I might give it a try
[13:52] <melodie> unless there is a ppa for it
[13:57] <melodie> penguin42 #1473733
[14:11] <penguin42> melodie: Do all the other alsa things work?
[14:14] <melodie> penguin42 I can start alsamixer.
[14:14] <melodie> while using pulseaudio, what other alsa things can I test?
[14:15] <melodie> I'll brb
[15:11] <melodie> penguin42 ?
[15:13] <penguin42> not sure
[15:14] <penguin42> but you seem to have a nice repeatable bug; the only problem you have is you have to find someone who cares about updating it
[15:15] <melodie> there is someone who left a comment on the "outdated" report, to say he was putting a watch at Debian bugs where it was also reported as outdated.
[15:16] <melodie> I send him a mail to let him aware about the new bug I just reported
[16:05] <hjd> melodie: Hi :)
[16:05] <hjd> melodie: I guess that might have been me.
[16:06] <melodie> hello hjd !
[16:07] <melodie> yes, I sent you a message through launchpad
[16:11] <hjd> I briefly looked at the bug report, but `volumeicon` ran without a crash in my 15.04 vm.
[16:11] <melodie> do you think it might be an issue related to my hardware : here nvidia chipset?
[16:12] <melodie> if so what could have changed in Ubuntu to make it not compliant anymore
[16:12] <penguin42> the fact it's complaining about a specific Nvidia channel does make me wonder that; but maybe it's just something volumeicon isn't being careful of
[16:12] <melodie> any test you could suggest to me?
[16:12] <hjd> I think it could be, since the error message mentions Nvidia.
[16:12] <penguin42> melodie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo   gets lots of alsa info
[16:13] <melodie> I have had this machine for a long time, from what I remember it's the first time I have volumeicon alsa crashing
[16:13] <melodie> hjd does your vm use pulseaudio at same time too?
[16:13] <penguin42> melodie: Yeh now the only challenge is to find why!
[16:14] <melodie> penguin42 yes I get that ;)
[16:14] <hjd> melodie: I don't know exactly. How can I tell? :)
[16:15] <melodie> hjd "apt-cache policy pulseaudio" ?
[16:15] <melodie> or "ps ax | grep pulse" ?
[16:16] <hjd> Installed and running.
[16:16] <hjd> The vm has a couple of extra packages installed, but should otherwise be fairly close to 15.04 out of the box
[16:17] <melodie> hjd thank you, you spare me the work of removing pulseaudio for the tests
[16:17] <melodie> hjd my install is not 15.04 out of the box, however it's very close to a minimal standard install
[16:18] <melodie> or at least should be
[16:18] <melodie> I suppose my next test will be to compile the recent stable version and test it
[16:19] <melodie> unless a strace on it helps devs find what is wrong here
[16:21] <penguin42> melodie: Yes, trying the stable version seems a good test
[16:21] <melodie> I will, later
[16:22] <melodie> $ pastebinit strace-volumeicon.txt
[16:22] <melodie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11867476/
[16:22] <melodie> for now a fast strace, just if someone here knows how to read that (for I don't)
[16:23] <penguin42> melodie: I'm not sure the strace is much help; however two things might be
[16:23] <penguin42> melodie: 1) Run that alsa-info script and attach the output, and the other thing is  in your gdb  do a   bt full    and paste that
[16:24] <melodie> which alsa-info script?
[16:25] <penguin42> melodie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo
[16:25] <penguin42> personalyl I'd be a bit more careful before running the output of a wget
[16:26] <penguin42> ah, you can also get it from the git http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-utils.git;a=history;f=alsa-info/alsa-info.sh
[16:27] <melodie> penguin42 here is bt full:
[16:27] <melodie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11867503/
[16:27] <penguin42> melodie: It looks like you're missing the debug packages so don't have any symbols/line numbers
[16:28] <penguin42> melodie: So you can't tell what #4 and #5 are
[16:28] <melodie> aha
[16:28] <melodie> volumeicon-alsa don't have debug packages in the repos
[16:28] <penguin42> melodie: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash   about installing -dbg or -dbgsym
[16:29] <melodie> it should be recompiled with debug options probably
[16:29] <melodie> aha
[16:29] <melodie> which one?
[16:29] <melodie> -dbg or the other?
[16:29] <penguin42> I don't think I've ever figured out the difference
[16:47] <melodie> what package is -dbg ?
[16:47] <melodie> I see : none
[16:47] <melodie> volumeicon-alsa does not come with any debug versions
[16:48] <melodie> I can't take more time for that right now, will try to use some more later
[16:48] <melodie> thanks
[16:50] <penguin42> melodie: The debug things are in a separate repo you have to enable
[16:51] <melodie> penguin42 which one?
[16:51] <penguin42> melodie: Debug packages
[16:52] <melodie> how do you add it to Synaptic?
[16:52] <penguin42> melodie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[16:52] <penguin42> melodie: Search for Synaptic in there
[16:55] <melodie> done, thanks
[16:55] <melodie> done with the command line
[16:55] <melodie> as easy
[16:57] <melodie> I had no idea there was a special repos for debug builds
[17:01] <melodie> penguin42 volumeicon-alsa-dbgsym is now installed and here is the new output:
[17:01] <melodie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11867686/
[17:02] <melodie> do you see new info there?
[17:02] <penguin42> excellent
[17:03] <penguin42> melodie: It doesn't add much unfortunately - the line we already knew in this case from the assert; so the only other thing to do is that alsa-info
[17:03] <melodie> chmod a+x alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh ?
[17:04]  * penguin42 goes to make food - back in ~25min
[17:04] <melodie> [melodie@bento64:/tmp]$ pastebinit alsa-info.txt.KFMHlNNS2z
[17:04] <melodie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11867707/
[17:05] <melodie> penguin42 yeah, same here : food! :D
[17:05] <melodie> cya
[17:30] <penguin42> melodie: Attach that to the bug report
[17:30] <penguin42> melodie: There don't seem to be any errors - I'm not sure if it is sane or not
[17:35] <melodie> penguin42 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/volumeicon/+bug/1473733/comments/2
[17:36] <penguin42> melodie: Don't use the pastebin in the bug - attach the stuff as an attachment
[17:36] <penguin42> melodie: Pastebin's dont necessarily last
[17:57] <melodie> ok
[17:58] <melodie> done


[22:34] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-Oryx-Pro': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.18.2 on Ubuntu 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) powered by Linux 5.3.0-7629-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 878-1542/3800 MHz, RAM: 4894/32067 MB, Storage: 315/1144 GB, 229 procs, 0.1h up
[22:34] <valorie> woop woop
[22:34] <valorie> thank you RikMills!
 Nice
[22:35] <valorie> I upgraded last night but neglected to restart
[22:35] <valorie> then I noticed something crashing, so.... seemed time to do that


[04:48] <wxl> bashfulrobot: seems like you're in charge of coordinating beta 2? we going to have images to test tomorrow?
[04:56] <bashfulrobot> I'm actually drafting the wiki page and sending the email to the mailing list. So we actually consider this beta 2? Or Jitsu a delayed beta one?
[04:56] <bashfulrobot> wxl: ^^
[04:57] <wxl> sorry, i think i meant 1
[04:57] <wxl> yes i did :)
[04:57] <wxl> beta 2 is supposed to be next month
[04:58] <nacc> wxl: did you ever figure out your seed issue?
[04:58] <wxl> i'm wearing the lubuntu release manager hat from off tsimonq2's head for the better part of the week, just in case you need me, bashfulrobot
[04:59] <wxl> nacc: no, but i think we have what we need to figure it out. tsimonq2 has a lot more experience with germinate than i do so i left it in his hands.
[04:59] <nacc> wxl: ack
[05:00] <bashfulrobot> wxl: I appreciate the offer for help. Simon always guided me through. Lost a hard drive with my notes, but. Prepping wiki page, will email list to get the flavors signed up. Then I know we need to track down someone to help with Nusakan.
[05:01] <bashfulrobot> I'll confirm in here as well once the wiki and email list has been completed
[05:02] <wxl> bashfulrobot: he said sil2100 was going to do it but i guess your fall back would be poor old infinity
[05:02]  * wxl pats adam's well-worn head
[05:03]  * bashfulrobot plans to hit up sil2200 when the time is right.
[05:24] <flocculant> bashfulrobot: I've done the flavour bit of this in the past too - another name you can ping if needed :)
[05:25] <bashfulrobot> Great flocculant ! Appreciate the support
[05:25] <flocculant> no problem :)
[05:32] <bashfulrobot> I plan on making detailed notes this time so I don't need to bug anyone next time.
[05:34] <flocculant> best laid plans of mice and men ...
[05:45] <bashfulrobot> too true!
[05:46] <flocculant> added Xubuntu to the wiki page
[05:46] <bashfulrobot> The one I just created?
[05:48] <bashfulrobot> Also on past pages there were links from the beta/alpha pages that went to something like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/Beta1/CommonInfrastructure - but many of those pages were never created. I imagine I should just yank that (as it is uselesss)
[05:50] <flocculant> yea the one you just created
[05:51] <flocculant> and yea - I'd yank that - only time it really works is the one that Ubuntu joins in with, when they've created the main wiki page
[05:51] <bashfulrobot> In the past there were also links to release announcements - was that always something official or the release manager wrote it?
[05:52] <bashfulrobot> flocculant: Cool - I'll comment that out
[05:52] <flocculant> same
[05:52] <bashfulrobot> perfect
[05:52] <bashfulrobot> Commenting up a storm!
[05:53] <flocculant> pre-Final Beta the only announcement is what whoever does the flavour side writes for the mailing list
[05:54] <flocculant> bashfulrobot: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Beta1/ReleaseAnnouncement
[05:57] <bashfulrobot> Cool. I had peeked at that one earlier. I'll leave the page as is for now.
[05:58] <flocculant> yea
[05:58] <flocculant> personally when I last did it - I didn't do any of that stuff :)
[05:59] <bashfulrobot> originally B1 was supposed to be Mar 1 - so I guess we can just push out to Mar 8? 1 week later. Or is that date too close if I am about to email the mailing list?
[05:59] <flocculant> beta 1 will be out of date as soon as it updates anyway - I try not to advertise it's existence
[06:00] <bashfulrobot> ha ha
[06:00] <flocculant> release schedule says 8th
[06:00] <bashfulrobot> Well, I'll just get the flavors to pipe in on that wiki page. And great for the 8th.
[06:01] <flocculant> assuming you can get a Canonical bod involved yea
[06:01]  * bashfulrobot pilfering a previous email to send to the email list.
[06:01] <flocculant> bashfulrobot: yep - mail release list pointing to it and wait for the deafening silence :D
[06:11]  * mwhudson stares at freeipa
[06:12] <flocculant> does mwhudson want other's to join in with freezing stare?
[06:13] <mwhudson> oh i see there has been lots of talk about this already
[06:14] <mwhudson> flocculant: more like a "begone from -proposed" stare i think?
[06:14] <flocculant> :)
[06:16] <mwhudson> pg-repack
[06:16] <mwhudson> oops
[06:16] <mwhudson> although has anyone looked at that?
[06:18] <bashfulrobot> ok - email sent to the mailing list
[06:18]  * bashfulrobot waiting to hear the crickets chirp
[06:19] <bashfulrobot> for those super keen people that want to sign up for beta one...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/Beta1
[06:21] <bashfulrobot> sil2100 and infinity
[06:22] <bashfulrobot> knocking on the Nusakan door
[06:22]  * bashfulrobot slinks away into the shadows
[06:25]  * bashfulrobot turning in. Zzz
[06:27] <flocculant> bashfulrobot: thanks for doing this :)
[06:36] <bashfulrobot> flocculant: my pleasure! Like getting involved.
[06:36] <flocculant> \o/
[06:37]  * flocculant wanders off for work
[07:45] <xnox> oh, and linux-meta-kvm
[07:45] <xnox> slangasek, hwe, hwe-edge, kvm still to do, it looks like.
[08:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-azure [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1002.2]
[08:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: curl3 (bionic-proposed/primary) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2]
[08:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pyxs [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.4.1+dfsg1-0ubuntu1]
[08:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pyxs [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.4.1+dfsg1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[08:21] <xnox> slangasek, curl3 is in, i guess best debdiffed against curl from release pocket....
[08:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rax-nova-agent [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.1.12-0ubuntu1]
[08:23] <slangasek> xnox: indeed
[08:27] <acheronuk> morning. slangasek or anyone else: is anyone able to give attention to the gstreamer plugins-good issue before beta 1 isos get done?
[08:31] <slangasek> acheronuk: I've flagged it to the MIR team; I'm not on the MIR or security team so approving this into main is not up to me.  If we can't get the MIRs done in time for image mastering, we have two other options: pre-promote these packages into main while the MIR is in progress, with the possibility that they might be rejected and have to be dropped again; or revert the package in -proposed and
[08:31] <slangasek> accept the ongoing transition without the new upstream gst-plugins-good (<-- Laney?)
[08:32] <slangasek> xnox: not a NEW blocker, but maybe drop the XSBC-Original-Maintainer from curl3
[08:32] <xnox> meh, ok.
[08:33] <slangasek> xnox: or put your own name in a maintainer field for a change ;P
[08:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: google-cloud-sdk (artful-proposed/partner) [183.0.0-0ubuntu1~17.10.0 => 191.0.0-0ubuntu1~17.10.0] (no packageset)
[08:33] <xnox> slangasek, i'm so over it.
[08:33] <xnox> slangasek, i'm thinking to start uploading binNMUs with -- Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: google-cloud-sdk (trusty-proposed/partner) [183.0.0-0ubuntu1~14.04.0 => 191.0.0-0ubuntu1~14.04.0] (no packageset)
[08:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: google-cloud-sdk (xenial-proposed/partner) [183.0.0-0ubuntu1~16.04.0 => 191.0.0-0ubuntu1~16.04.0] (no packageset)
[08:34] <slangasek> xnox: why is debian/libcurl3.links dropped?  It may not help anyone in practice, but it also doesn't hurt
[08:35] <xnox> slangasek, reject, let me reupload. It was dropped when i thought i had to provide libcurl3 co-installable with libcurl4, and started to thinking into shipping it as libcurl.so.3 / libcurl.so.<IP_ADDRESS> or some such
[08:35] <slangasek> xnox: too late, already accepted, you can do a -2
[08:35] <slangasek> -3
[08:35] <xnox> ok
[08:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted curl3 [source] (bionic-proposed) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2]
[08:37] <acheronuk> slangasek: ok. fwiw I have not yet seen any confirmed reports of the alleged issue with upgrades to mesa 18 without the bugfix in -proposed Qt, and by its nature the bug should not in theory affect a fresh install from iso or the live session. so if Qt does not move, at the moment seems a 'this might be buggy on upgrading a current system' in beta release notes could just about be acceptable
[08:38] <slangasek> acheronuk: well, I think it is important for us to resolve this transition in time for beta, let's continue aiming for that
[08:38] <acheronuk> slangasek: great. no complaints from with that. thank you
[08:39] <acheronuk> *from me
[08:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-aws [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1001.1]
[08:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-gcp [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1001.1]
[08:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pyxs [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [0.4.1+dfsg1-0ubuntu1]
[08:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted google-cloud-sdk [source] (artful-proposed) [191.0.0-0ubuntu1~17.10.0]
[08:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: curl3 [s390x] (bionic-proposed/none) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[08:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted google-cloud-sdk [source] (xenial-proposed) [191.0.0-0ubuntu1~16.04.0]
[08:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: curl3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/none) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[08:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: curl3 [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/none) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[08:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: curl3 [i386] (bionic-proposed/none) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[08:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted google-cloud-sdk [source] (trusty-proposed) [191.0.0-0ubuntu1~14.04.0]
[08:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: curl3 [arm64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[08:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: curl3 [armhf] (bionic-proposed/universe) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[08:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apt (xenial-proposed/main) [1.2.25 => 1.2.26] (core)
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted curl3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted curl3 [armhf] (bionic-proposed) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2]
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted curl3 [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2]
[09:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted curl3 [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2]
[09:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted curl3 [s390x] (bionic-proposed) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2]
[09:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted curl3 [i386] (bionic-proposed) [7.58.0-2ubuntu2]
[09:25] <slangasek> jamespage: you have some significant lintian warnings in python-diskimage-builder around update-alternatives; please have a look
[09:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-diskimage-builder [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [2.11.0-0ubuntu1]
[10:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dpkg [source] (trusty-proposed) [1.17.5ubuntu5.8]
[11:00] <bluesabre> slangasek: would you be interested in approving https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1753015 ? It's a very minor change and is the last feature missing from xubuntu bionic :)
[11:00] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1753015 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Add thunar custom action to directly print certain file types" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rax-nova-agent [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.1.12-0ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[14:05] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, who is the one trying to remove ruby2.3 from the archive
[14:05] <LocutusOfBorg> ?
[14:07] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, a lot of stuff is failing because autopkgtests drags in the ruby2.3 package http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r/ruby-allocations/bionic/amd64
[14:07] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg, but... ruby-defaults still has not migrated =(
[14:08] <LocutusOfBorg> I tried with all-proposed and it is failing and dragging 2.3 too
[14:08] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe adding a conflict on ruby2.5 against 2.3?
[14:09] <LocutusOfBorg> same, ruby-defaults won't migrate, because autopkgtests are failing for the same reason
[14:09] <LocutusOfBorg> see: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r/ruby-turbolinks/bionic/amd64
[14:09] <LocutusOfBorg> autopkgtest [19:09:17]: test command1: ruby2.3 -e gem\ \"gitlab-turbolinks-classic\"
[14:09] <LocutusOfBorg> autopkgtest [19:09:17]: test command1: [-----------------------
[14:09] <LocutusOfBorg> bash: ruby2.3: command not found
[14:14] <LocutusOfBorg> where is that version picked up?
[14:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: python-bayespy (bionic-proposed/primary) [0.5.12-1]
[14:24] <flexiondotorg> sil2100: Were you contacted by any flavours with regard to spinning Beta 1 images?
[14:25] <acheronuk> flexiondotorg: haven't tried yet, as there are some transitions to fix 1st
[14:26] <acheronuk> if they can be
[14:36] <sil2100> flexiondotorg: yeah, but infinity is leading
[14:36] <flexiondotorg> Thanks.
[14:36] <sil2100> He said he'll take care of it so I'm leaving it in his hands
[15:01] <bashfulrobot> Looks like we have 4 flavours good to go for beta 1. Just getting up and going, so I'm just starting to digest the info.
[15:01] <bashfulrobot> infinity: I hear you are the man to talk to regarding Nusakan. :-)
[15:29] <xnox> slangasek, does curl need hinting with curl3?
[15:44] <xnox> slangasek, RM scilab on i386?! fails test, better not ship broken software on i386, but let everything else to migrate?
[15:48] <slangasek> xnox: revdeps of scilib?
[15:48] <slangasek> lab
[15:56] <xnox> slangasek, twats
[15:59] <slangasek> xnox: assign java failure to tdaitx_ for investigation?
[15:59] <slangasek> xnox: skip documentation on i386?
[16:00] <xnox> slangasek, it's failing in debian too
[16:00] <xnox> slangasek, possibly, need to check if the docs are arch;all
[16:01] <slangasek> xnox: could be omitted on a per-arch basis even if not arch:all
[16:23] <xnox> slangasek, huh, it already has the code to do that, lolz
[16:23] <xnox> doing so
[16:24] <acheronuk> bashfulrobot: wanting to go, but maybe not good-to-go yet
[16:25] <slangasek> xnox: any guesses why abi-monitor alone is reported uninstallable, and only on amd64?
[16:29] <bashfulrobot> acheronuk: weekday kind of time line so you think you are looking at?
[16:30] <xnox> slangasek, hmmmmm....... because build-essential is not installable?! it does depend on curl...
[16:30] <xnox>  Depends: build-essential, cmake, wget, curl, git, perl:any
[16:45] <acheronuk> bashfulrobot: depends on release team actions, so I can't say
[16:49] <bashfulrobot> Ok, sounds good
[16:50] <slangasek> xnox: build-essential did not appear in the list of uninstallables, only abi-monitor
[16:50] <xnox> ok
[17:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-pyperclip (artful-proposed/main) [1.5.27-3 => 1.5.27-3ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:03] <infinity> bashfulrobot: Yo dawg, I heard you like milestones.
[18:19] <bashfulrobot> infinity: woof
[18:26] <bashfulrobot> infinity: milestones can be a good thing
[18:28] <infinity> bashfulrobot: Setting it up now.
[18:36] <bashfulrobot> infinity: thank you good sir!
[18:40] <bashfulrobot> infinity: Is there anything additional that you need from me? Info, etc?
[18:41] <wxl> bashfulrobot: you did see the topic, right?
[18:43] <acheronuk> good beer in Budapest
[18:44] <bashfulrobot> wxl: Missed it
[18:44] <bashfulrobot> (in the office multi tasking)
[18:44] <wxl> bashfulrobot: "We accept payment in cash, check or beer"
[18:44] <bashfulrobot> acheronuk: I'll be on a plane shortly?
[18:45] <bashfulrobot> Well the next time I am in a city with any one of you. Beers on me.
[18:45] <bashfulrobot> But that seems liek a cop out
[18:45] <bashfulrobot> unless there is a beer donation button.
[18:45] <bashfulrobot> ha ha
[18:45] <wxl> yeah i don't think release team have implemented that yet
[18:45] <bashfulrobot> wxl: my IRC client had truncated the topic. :-p But I just expanded it.
[18:46] <bashfulrobot> Should put the super important payment information at the front of the topic
[18:47] <bashfulrobot> you know. Beer 1st, beta 2nd??? ha
[18:49] <acheronuk> must be some app you can send international beer token with
[18:49] <acheronuk> if there isn't, there should be!
[18:50] <bashfulrobot> acheronuk: I'll setup the github repo shortly
[18:50] <rbasak> beerchain.
[18:50] <bashfulrobot> there we go.
[18:50] <bashfulrobot> running ledger of beer owed
[18:51] <rbasak> Free beer for miners.
[18:51] <rbasak> (as opposed to minors, who should perhaps not be given free beer)
[18:52] <acheronuk> :)
[18:52] <infinity> rbasak: But kids love free stuff!
[18:53] <infinity> bashfulrobot: I don't need anything from you right now.  Just waiting for the archive and britney to settle after putting blocks in place, then will spin up the first set of images.  From there, it should be vaguely self-service until you're ready to release on Thursday.
[18:53] <bashfulrobot> perfect. Thank you infinity .
[18:54] <acheronuk> infinity: so gstreamer-plugin-good and Qt 5.9.5 is not getting unblocked?
[18:54] <acheronuk> Qt 5.9.4
[18:54] <acheronuk> [08:38] <slangasek> acheronuk: well, I think it is important for us to resolve this transition in time for beta, let's continue aiming for that
[18:57] <infinity> acheronuk: Oh, are we still waiting on a Qt? :/
[18:58] <infinity> acheronuk: gst-plugins-good1.0 looks broken?
[18:58] <acheronuk> [08:31] <slangasek> acheronuk: I've flagged it to the MIR team; I'm not on the MIR or security team so approving this into main is not up to me.  If we can't get the MIRs done in time for image mastering, we have two other options: pre-promote these packages into main while the MIR is in progress, with the possibility that they might be rejected and have to be dropped again; or revert the package in -proposed and
[18:58] <infinity> Bunch of unsatisfiable deps.
[18:59] <acheronuk> infinity: apparently needs that MIR?
[18:59] <infinity> Evidently.
[19:00] <acheronuk> [08:31] <slangasek> accept the ongoing transition without the new upstream gst-plugins-good (<-- Laney?)
[19:00] <infinity> acheronuk: OTOH, Steve saying he'd like it to happen isn't the same as someone making it happen. :P
[19:01] <infinity> acheronuk: Is the gst-plugin thing literally the only thing holding Qt up?
[19:01] <acheronuk> which is why I had said:
[19:01] <acheronuk> [08:37] <acheronuk> slangasek: ok. fwiw I have not yet seen any confirmed reports of the alleged issue with upgrades to mesa 18 without the bugfix in -proposed Qt, and by its nature the bug should not in theory affect a fresh install from iso or the live session. so if Qt does not move, at the moment seems a 'this might be buggy on upgrading a current system' in beta release notes could just about be acceptable
[19:02] <infinity> acheronuk: If so, looks like the MIR is maybe sorted.  Lemme dig deeper.
[19:02] <acheronuk> infinity: I can't 100% decipher update_output.txt, but if there is anything else, it's not obvious to me
[19:02] <acheronuk> ok
[19:03]  * infinity drops the freeze block again while sorting this.
[19:04] <acheronuk> thanks. I don't want to hold things up too much, but if that did drop into place now, that would be great
[19:05]  * acheronuk crosses fingers
[19:11] <infinity> Oh, hrm.  That gst-plugins-good also accidentally pulls gst-qt5 back into main.  I'll mangle that.
[19:23] <infinity> Alright, archive and seeds mangled.  Will have to wait a bit to see how it all settles.
[20:34] <acheronuk> infinity: looks like gst-plugins-good rdep failing test here: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/ruby-gnome2/bionic/amd64
[20:35] <acheronuk> :/
[20:36] <acheronuk> but don't think the fault of gst-plugins-good
[20:37] <infinity> acheronuk: Indeed.  I'll re-run a baseline on that.
[20:37] <infinity> Though, the baseline run 5 days ago looked good.
[20:37] <infinity> Oh, how quickly we break things. :/
[20:37] <acheronuk> thanks
[20:40] <infinity> These are some curious tests.
[20:41] <infinity> It only installs rub2.3 sometimes.
[20:41] <infinity> And only sometimes does rub2.3 fail.
[20:51] <acheronuk> infinity: does this mean Qt would migrate? (from update_output_notest.txt) https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dQ8xCZxJ5j/
[20:52] <infinity> acheronuk: It does seem to imply that.
[20:53] <acheronuk> right. I have never quite grasped what that "Trying easy from autohinter:" is actually doing
[20:55] <infinity> Okay, hinted ruby-gnome2.  Seems equally broken in the release pocket. :/
[20:57] <acheronuk> ick. thanks though
[20:58] <infinity> acheronuk: The autohinter tries to group packages together based on interdeps and generates temporary "easy" hints.  Easy hints are hints that say "try all these together, and if the result is that the archive is no worse than when you started, you win".
[20:59] <acheronuk> gotcha
[21:00] <infinity> There are three classes of grouping hints.  hint-easy doesn't allow anything to regress, hint allows uninstallable trading (which is how KDE became briefly broken, cause vorlon did a 'hint' that ended up trading something else broken for your breakage instead), and force-hint, which allows you to regress the archive entirely and jam in broken bits.
[21:12] <mwhudson> infinity: are you or some other AA going to delete freeipa from proposed? i thought there was agreement to do that and whenever i chase anything complicated looking on excuses it comes down to freeipa blocking curl and libunistring
[21:13] <infinity> mwhudson: I'm not sure I was party to that discussion.
[21:13] <mwhudson> infinity: fair enough
[21:16] <infinity> I thought the freeipa issues were meant to be solved with the nss revert.  I guess not?
[21:17] <mwhudson> oh maybe
[21:17] <infinity> mwhudson: Also, if deleting it were enough to make other things migrate, deleting it wouldn't be necessary.
[21:18] <infinity> mwhudson: So I assume you mean delete it and then upload a no-change rebuild of the release pocket version?
[21:18] <mwhudson> i find keeping track of this sort of issue basically impossible
[21:18] <mwhudson> infinity: yes, i think that is what i mean
[21:19] <mwhudson> when did the nss revert happen?
[21:19] <infinity> I could certainly do that and then undelete it.
[21:19] <infinity> The nss revert was in early February, so it clearly didn't fix the freeipa tests. :P
[21:19] <mwhudson> yeah
[21:21] <infinity> mwhudson: Deleted and rebuild thrown at the archive.
[21:21]  * infinity makes a mental note to undelete later.
[21:24] <mwhudson> infinity: thanks
[21:26] <mwhudson> infinity: well crap
[21:26] <infinity> mwhudson: Oh, but a no-change rebuild doesn't build.
[21:26] <mwhudson> infinity: throw it all into the sea?
[21:26] <mwhudson> what's DAL in this context
[21:27] <infinity> mwhudson: I'll put the other version back.  And let Timo sort it out after the sprint and beta.
[21:27] <mwhudson> infinity: +1
[21:28] <infinity> And done.
[21:30] <infinity> acheronuk: Qt looks migratey.
[21:31] <infinity> migratory?
[21:31] <infinity> bashfulrobot: You'll have Beta1 images after the archive settles from this Qt migration.
[21:32] <acheronuk> infinity: \o/
[21:32] <acheronuk> thank you thank you thank you
[21:34] <tsimonq2> Thanks!
[21:40] <bashfulrobot> nice!
[21:40] <bashfulrobot> infinity: You rule!
[21:43] <mwhudson> what's the process for getting a package to migrate when it drops a binary package? get an AA to delete the binary package from release?
[21:44]  * acheronuk slides beer tokens in infinity's direction
[21:44] <bashfulrobot> infinity: So we are looking good for the Thursday date?
[21:49] <tsimonq2> mwhudson: iirc yeah.
[21:50] <tsimonq2> infinity: The topic isn't clear, do y'all accept bitcoin? :P
[21:51] <tsimonq2> bashfulrobot: Now that the transition seems to be done and over with, looks like it, yeah.
[21:51] <infinity> tsimonq2: The only fiat currencies I accept are USD and CAD.
[21:51] <tsimonq2> infinity: USD and fake money? :P
[21:51]  * tsimonq2 runs
[21:52] <infinity> tsimonq2: And possibly a 124 Spider.
[21:52] <tsimonq2> Hah :D
[21:52] <tsimonq2> infinity: I thought you drove stick. :P
[21:54] <infinity> tsimonq2: Are you implying that in some weird part of the world you can't get a Fiat Spider with a manual transmission?
[21:54] <infinity> (You sure can here)
[21:54] <tsimonq2> LOL
[21:54] <tsimonq2> It's Canada, ofc you can.
[21:54] <bashfulrobot> stick is the way to go. Not that you can almost even buy a car with it anymore
[21:54] <bashfulrobot> Canada?
[21:54] <bashfulrobot> whaaaaa
[21:54] <bashfulrobot> ha ha
[21:56] <infinity> I can't even imagine driving an underpowered lawnmower like that if I couldn't downshift and hold it on the red line.
[21:56] <infinity> That's pretty much the *only* way to drive those go-karts.
[21:57] <tsimonq2> :D
[21:59] <tsimonq2> Wow, that's satisfying... https://i.imgur.com/nTd3A40.png
[22:03] <mitya57> \o/
[22:04] <tsimonq2> :D
[22:07] <tsimonq2> [M
[22:07] <tsimonq2> F[M
[22:07] <tsimonq2> (what)
[22:15] <bashfulrobot> tsimonq2: You just lost me there. ha
[22:41] <slangasek> mwhudson, infinity: it's not about removing freeipa from -proposed, but from the release pocket.  Which I would do, just as soon as I can figure out why britney claims abi-monitor and ros-simulators are uninstallable on amd64 <sigh>
[22:47] <acheronuk> where is the vcs for our casper>
[22:47] <acheronuk> ?
[22:47] <infinity> slangasek: If it's on amd64-only, it's arch:all packages it's whining about, if that helps.
[22:50] <slangasek> infinity: yeah, but ros-simulators only depends on ros-robot and gazebo9
[22:56] <infinity> slangasek: And installing both of those pulls in 744 packages, so fair shot that there's a broken combo in there.
[22:56] <infinity> Oh, "only" 604 without recommends.
[23:01] <infinity> slangasek: Another hint is that updating curl3 alone *doesn't* break ros-simulators-dev or abi-monitor, but updating "curl3/7.58.0-2ubuntu2 xmltooling/1.6.4-1ubuntu2" together does.
[23:02] <slangasek> ahahaha <stab>
[23:04] <infinity> slangasek: Did you desperately want this in for B1, or can we revisit Thursday?
[23:04] <infinity> (I don't really want to hold these folks up any longer unless you see the fix jumping out at you)
[23:05] <slangasek> infinity: I don't think you should delay the beta; but also, per previous rants, I have adjusted the freeze hint to not freeze base system components for an opt-in milestone
[23:07] <infinity> slangasek: I think our rants on that topic will continue to be at odds until we just stop having opt-in milestones entirely.
[23:08] <infinity> (Honestly, I'd rather just tell flavours they can't have them than have them testing against moving targets because ermagerd can't wait two days to migrate stuff)
[23:10] <tsimonq2> (I'd rather have them and wait two days for the things to migrate than have them taken away)
[23:10] <infinity> tsimonq2: Yes, Steve's telling you that combination isn't an option in his mind.
[23:10] <infinity> tsimonq2: Which leaves "no milestones" or "base changing during milestones".
[23:11] <infinity> tsimonq2: But we really should revisit the honest question of "what value do you get from milestones that you wouldn't get from dedicating one day a month to testing dailies?"
[23:11] <tsimonq2> infinity: It may sound weird but I prefer the latter.
[23:11] <infinity> tsimonq2: Because, other than publishing them, which encourages people to install from stale ISOs (ick), that's all you're doing.
[23:11] <slangasek> given how many dozens of hours have been spent trying to get this transition ready, and the risk of setbacks to the transition from stray uncoordinated uploads, I don't really have any sympathy for the view that not allowing a milestone freeze to trump the transition is unreasonable impatience
[23:12] <tsimonq2> slangasek: I'm not disagreeing with you.
[23:12] <slangasek> tsimonq2: I know /you're/ not, but infinity is :)
[23:13] <infinity> slangasek: Yeah, I absolutely am.  Because you're using *this* transition to argue for a global policy.  If intersecting packages aren't frozen, we're saying "yeah, don't worry, Qt, glibc, glib, and GTK all changed between your first spin and your third, but that probably won't set back your testing any".
[23:13] <infinity> Y'know, cause those are all possiblities in the intersecting base set.
[23:14] <tsimonq2> infinity: I continue to believe that testing ISOs one day a month doesn't gather as much momentum as a "Beta" because that signals we're in a certain stage of the cycle.
[23:14] <infinity> slangasek: Then again, you and I agree (I think) that these early milestones are about as valuable as "pick a daily and test it", so what we have is a strangely unresolvable venn diagram of agreement between you, me, and the flavour leads. :)
[23:14] <slangasek> heh, quite
[23:14] <tsimonq2> Right, heh
[23:14] <infinity> tsimonq2: So, call your fourth month of daily testing "beta".
[23:15] <slangasek> and those are all packages with CI via autopkgtests, and while there is always risk of regression, I don't accept the notion that freezing these packages to ensure the beta candidates are stable in between, only to have massive changes drop the day after beta, is actually valuable to anyone
[23:15] <infinity> (To be honest, I'd be happier if we did exactly what we do now, including with the ISO tracker, but then didn't release the result... It's the publishing that I greatly disagree with)
[23:16] <infinity> Milestones have a very negative effect socially, as people are more inclined to install the "tested" Alpha2 than the daily that comes 3 weeks later and fixed a bunch of bugs.
[23:17] <infinity> Or, as is often the case, the daily that comes two days later and fixed all the bugs found but not deemed RC enough during the ISO testing. :P
[23:17] <tsimonq2> infinity: "ZOMGWTFROFLCOPTER, this beta wasn't tested at all, why did they let this thing release?!?" or "These flavors didn't release at the same time, what's the point?!?" are two possibilities. I don't personally care about having a set date, or an ISO that stays there for longer than the time it takes for the next ISO to release, for that matter. Just that we have those stages because I'm
[23:17] <tsimonq2> told it's good for marketing. :P
[23:19] <tsimonq2> Hell, I wouldn't even care if we did like a biweekly testing coordination thing and just eliminate what we have now. As long as we have stages and not just "prerelease" and "release"
[23:20] <tsimonq2> infinity, slangasek: I mean, can we find common ground *there*?
[23:21] <infinity> tsimonq2: Coordinated testing is something I wouldn't even need to get involved in.
[23:21] <tsimonq2> infinity: It depends on how we do it, but yeah.
[23:21] <infinity> tsimonq2: (Though I could put it on the release schedule for you, like I do with milestones today, so you don't bikeshed about the date)
[23:22] <infinity> tsimonq2: Then, on the same date that would have been Alpha2, instead you say "this is Month2 ISO testing week", and flavours flood the ISO tracker with test results, and action said results after the facgt.
[23:22] <infinity> tsimonq2: All that removes from the current state of affairs is the "blessed image", but my contention has always been that the blessed image does more harm than good.
[23:23] <infinity> And that's not just guessing, we field a lot of bugs from people who install from milestone media, just to close them with "yes, that bug was fixed three days later".
[23:23] <infinity> Super not helpful.
[23:23] <tsimonq2> I'm open to trying it for 18.10 and then evaluating how things went from there.
[23:24] <tsimonq2> So, consider me (somewhat) convinced.
[23:25] <tsimonq2> infinity: Is this a decision the Release Team is "just going to make" or should I (or you! :P) send something to the ML?
[23:26] <infinity> tsimonq2: I mean, it's a decition that Canonical *could* "Just Make", as it's about our human resource involvement in the community process.  But no, I'm not threatening to do that.
[23:26] <infinity> tsimonq2: But it's no secret that we've wanted to back away from this process for years, and we've been trying to gently (and sometimes not) argue in that direction, and lead by example.
[23:27] <infinity> decition?  Did apw infect my fingers?
[23:27] <infinity> decision.
[23:27] <tsimonq2> infinity: Now to be completely clear here, is this a Canonical decision or an Ubuntu Release Team (or cdimage team, whatever Ubuntu hat you'd like to wear) decision?
[23:27] <infinity> tsimonq2: The release team, as a community entity could absolutely make this decision (and that's where I'd prefer it be made).
[23:27] <tsimonq2> If no resource allocation would change (less resources needed for a Blessed Image), then why would it need to be a Canonical decision?
[23:27] <tsimonq2> RIght
[23:27] <tsimonq2> *Right.
[23:27] <tsimonq2> I agree.
[23:28] <infinity> tsimonq2: Cause then it's not "Canonical is taking away toys", but "the community has decided this is more sane".
[23:28] <tsimonq2> That's exactly where I was going with that.
[23:28] <infinity> tsimonq2: The community release team can't force Canonical to spend time/money, but they sure can ask them to spend less. :)
[23:28] <tsimonq2> Heh, true.
[23:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate amd64 [Bionic Beta 1] (20180306.1) has been added
[23:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Bionic Beta 1] (20180306.1) has been added
[23:33] <infinity> tsimonq2: I think with something as complex as the Debian/Ubuntu archive (and moreso us, because we generate multiple flavours), no matter how good our CI gets (and it can get better), it's a pipe dream to be "always releasable", but we very much should be "always testable".
[23:33] <infinity> tsimonq2: So, having flag days where we say "okay, for the next two days, spend your time testing and fixing your accumulated cruft" helps keep things in shape, and that's really what milestones have been doing for us for years.
[23:34] <tsimonq2> infinity: Right, and I can agree with that.
[23:34] <tsimonq2> infinity: (I'm also curious to see what ideas you have for how Ubuntu's ProposedMigration CI can be improved. :P)
[23:35] <infinity> I don't have a bunch of stellar ideas, but it's obviously imperfect, thus can be improved.
[23:39] <tsimonq2> That's for sure.
[23:41] <mwhudson> slangasek: aah ok
[23:41] <mwhudson> acheronuk: no vcs for ubuntu casper as far as i'm aware
[23:42] <mwhudson> acheronuk: and as it was me that made the last upload, if there is a vcs, it's out of date :-p
[23:43] <tsimonq2> "no vcs" aww come on :/
[23:43] <mwhudson> tsimonq2: ok, the canonical vcs is the ubuntu archive!!
[23:44] <cyphermox> err, something got busted because there definitely was one
[23:44] <cyphermox> but regardless, not that big a deal, the archive is your vcs.
[23:45] <tsimonq2> mwhudson: Lowercase "c" I hope. :P
[23:46] <mwhudson> cyphermox: oh hmm
[23:52] <infinity> cyphermox: debian/control doesn't know about it, so there isn't one.
[23:52] <infinity> (Pretty sure I never committed to anything but the source package)
[23:52] <slangasek> 2018/03/06 23:43:39.397222 cmd.go:156: cannot read /proc/self/exe: readlink
[23:53] <slangasek> wut
[23:53] <infinity>   * debian/control: Drop Vcs-Bzr:, which does not exist any more.
[23:53] <infinity>  -- Martin Pitt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tue, 19 Apr 2016 15:53:13 +0200
[23:53] <cyphermox> infinity: lp:casper seems to think otherwise, and I thought I used that before
[23:53] <infinity> cyphermox: Blame pitti, then. :)
[23:56] <cyphermox> yes
[23:56] <infinity> cyphermox: lp:casper trunk last changes 2010-09-28 ... I can see why, 6 years later, pitti decided it might be dead.
[23:57] <cyphermox> no, lp:ubuntu/casper was dea
[23:57] <cyphermox> but also grossly outdated, for sure
[23:57] <infinity> https://code.launchpad.net/casper
[23:57] <cyphermox> I saw.
[23:57] <infinity> That's lp:casper, not lp:ubuntu/casper
[23:57] <slangasek> ah, it's the channel thing
[23:57] <cyphermox> yes
[23:58] <cyphermox> infinity: there was also a "comment" on that page. but whatever, this isn't really important
[23:59] <infinity> I think I need a big bowl o' vietnamese.
[23:59] <cyphermox> lucky.


[14:00] <nora> http://www.gulfup.com/?yDgNze
[14:02] <nora> http://www.gulfup.com/?yDgNze
[15:27] <Avihay> someone feels like running that in a clean Virtual machine with some demotivational pictures?


[06:30] <Kilos> morning all
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <Kilos> hi dholbach
[07:16] <dholbach> hey Kilos
[08:10] <elacheche> o/ LoCos :)
[20:00] <svij> mhall119: hey, do I remember correctly that you said on the Ubucon UOS-Session that we could use the same software on summit/uds.ubuntu.com for an ubucon?
[20:01] <mhall119> svij: yes, in fact jose is doing that for the next UbuConLA
[20:01] <svij> mhall119: but selfhostign should be also possible?
[20:02] <mhall119> svij: if you want to self-host summit, but that's not always a pleasant experience
[20:02] <svij> why?
[20:02] <mhall119> the codebase just hasn't been polished for making independent deployments easy
[20:02] <svij> oh i see.
[20:02] <mhall119> and it's a bit of an organically-grown mess in places
[20:03] <mhall119> but we can host your UbuCon schedule on summit.ubuntu.com
[20:03] <mhall119> like http://summit.ubuntu.com/ubuconla-2015/
[20:03] <svij> oh right
[20:04] <svij> I'm thinking of an overall new website for ubucon.eu for next year
[20:04] <svij> so I still have some time
[20:05] <mhall119> svij: if all you need is a schedule display, it might be easier to write something custom or use a CMS plugin
[20:05] <svij> thats django cms?
[20:05] <mhall119> you can, there's probably stuff for Wordpress and Drupal too, depending on what you're more familiar with
[20:05] <svij> at ubucon.de we use drupal, but I don't really like it, (old style, not that "moden" looking design etc)
[20:07] <svij> mhall119: anyway, did you see my mail from a few weeks ago regarding that documentation site ?
[20:07] <svij> I only got an answer from nhaines …
[20:09] <mhall119> svij: yes, sorry I haven't replied yet. I'd be happy with helping add documentation (having now run an UbuCon myself), shall we use the wiki until nhaines has a chance to work on ubucon.org?
[20:10] <svij> mhall119: we can, sure. The etherpad log from our uos meeting says, that it should be on c.u.com if I remember correctly
[20:10] <svij> I'm acutally documenting everything in german (on wiki.ubucon.de), but it might be good in english and with experience from other countries
[20:25] <svij> mhall119: there's already a site about "running an ubucon" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/RunningAnUbucon but pretty outdated, last revision was in 2008…
[20:27] <mhall119> (last edited by localhost), I'm not even sure what that means
[20:28] <svij> probably some script
[20:28] <mhall119> svij: is the current content worth keeping and building on? Or would it be easier to start something new from scratch?
[20:28] <svij> mhall119: I didn't read it yet
[20:33] <svij> mhall119: it doesn't look too bad, but I didn't read it completely so far
[20:33] <svij> but we need more than one site …
[20:36] <mhall119> svij: yeah, but it would be a place to start
[20:36] <svij> sure
[20:36] <mhall119> maybe break things out into different pages, like venue selection, recruiting speakers, etc
[20:37] <svij> we have subpages for communication, overall tasks, timetable for tasks, organisation at the place of the ubucon, social network stuff, sponsoring, advertisements/marketing …
[22:44] <nhaines> svij: if you pass along German documentation to me as it starts to reach stablish status, I can translate and localize those pages to English.
[22:44] <nhaines> Not that you can't, but it'll be one less thing for you to worry about.  :)


[14:11] <hannie> godbyk, ping
[14:23] <sagaci> hi hannie
[14:23] <sagaci> it was good that you recovered those notes
[14:29] <nisshh> hannie, whats up?
[14:40] <hannie> hello nisshh sagaci
[14:40] <hannie> nisshh, I wanted to know if we can get printed manuals for UDS
[14:40] <hannie> hi herat
[14:40] <herat> hannie: hi
[14:41] <hannie> herat, almost finished with your chapter ;)
[14:42] <sagaci> I'd only get a couple of manual printed... 140 pages worth a piece!
[14:42] <nisshh> hannie, i wouldnt know sorry, thats something only godbyk could answer, my guess would be yes, though it depends on if the current master branch can be compiled into a printable pdf or not
[14:43] <hannie> it is ready at lulu, but at such short notice I do not know if we can get them (UDS=May 9th)
[14:44] <hannie> on time
[14:44] <hannie> godbyk, is probably still in bed ;)
[14:45] <herat> hannie: yes. almost finished.
[14:45] <herat> I got my copy from lulu after 15 days.
[14:45] <hannie> herat, let me know if you need someone to review your chapter soon
[14:46] <herat> hannie: ok sure.
[14:46] <hannie> herat, 15 days! that's longer than I thought. Although UDS is in the US, so maybe we can order them still
[14:47] <herat> ohh yes. International shipping may be responsible for delay.
[14:48] <hannie> Did you guys see my email about UDS and our manual on the mailing list?
[14:49] <herat> hannie: yes. read notes on pad.
[14:50] <hannie> good. You may add whatever comes to your mind
[14:50] <herat> okay


[11:20] <ikt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek0901/AutoDesktopTesting
[11:20] <ikt> in the log
[11:20] <ikt> A How-To guide is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Desktop/HowToUseTestingLibrary
[11:20] <ikt> that wiki isn't loading :(
[16:58] <firsttimer> anyone around? need help
[16:58] <firsttimer> first timeer, just installed ubuntu
[16:59] <firsttimer> and its gone to the username screen
[16:59] <firsttimer> I have not yet created a username, nor password, so I am officially STUCK!
[16:59] <firsttimer> anyone can offer guidance?
[17:02] <nhandler> firsttimer: Try #ubuntu for support
[17:03] <firsttimer> thanks matey


[06:19] <pragomer> hello. I get an error message from dolphin while trying to connect to my galaxy s10+: so Hannah alles zu erfüllen...
[06:20] <pragomer> Aber wie du
[06:20] <pragomer> hello. I get an error message from dolphin while trying to connect to my galaxy s10+: https://i.imgur.com/hzwnw4m.png
[06:20] <pragomer> (thats in englisch "No Storage Space selected" kind of...)
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:15] <frog_> hello
[14:16] <BluesKaj> frog_, o/
 Sup
 Hey
[20:30] <troozers> Hi all, quick question; I have 28 cores in my CPU but two of them (7 & 14) seem to get WAY more utilisation than others - is there any way to check what's running on particular cores?
[20:32] <troozers> ...and it always seems to be the same two cores that get more utilised - e.g. every time i boot my system these two cores are always hit the hardest
 Open System Monitor and sort by CPU usage on the Process table (or use "top" from the command line).
[20:35] <troozers> are either of those able to show what's using those particular cores?
 They show the processes with highest usage and usually it pretty easy to see  which core is spiking.  However, you may need a newer version of System Monitor that support more than 12? cores.  Not sure which release contains the newer version, but I don't think it's in 20.04.
[20:49] <tomreyn> troozers: i assume the "htop" CLI utility can handle that many cores
 How about you try it and let us know.  I only have 4 cores/8 threads on my PC's.
[20:51] <tomreyn> it does handle the 16 (with AMT/HT) i have here
[20:51] <troozers> yes it does, well at least it shows all 28 cores
[20:52] <tomreyn> troozers: once you tried to identify the processes hogging these cores/threads, make sure irqbalance is installed, too
[20:53] <tomreyn> that's a single CPU, right, not a multi-processor system?
[20:56] <troozers> nope, single core i9 cpu
[20:56] <troozers> sorry, single i9 cpu
[20:57] <troozers> and yes, irqbalance is installed
[20:57] <troozers> looks like firefox is taking the lions share of those cores
[20:59] <tomreyn> about:performance in firefox may give you more insight, as well as web developer -> performance
[21:00] <tomreyn> most firefox performance problems are caused by add-ons complicating the rendering, such as ad blockers or others with search-and-replace functionality.
[21:04] <troozers> disabled zoom and kde integration addons to see if that helps
[21:04] <troozers> have an ad-blocker as the t'interweb gets horrible without it
 Is it possible to sync korganizer with more computers?
 I have set a calendar on one pc and I would like to have it also on my other computer on the cloud without exporting the calendar manually
[22:06] <viewer|71> !ltsupgrade


[00:35] <asac> chrisccoulson: can confirm that restart button still not bullet proof in precise
[00:37] <asac> just had the firefox process dangling without a UI coming up!


[02:11] <HiDeHo> Hi wondering why i cant have access to ubuntu channel. a week or two ago i came here and asked for permissions to be given for em to be allowed to enter again i was told to read the rules and i promised i would abide by them. then i thought i was unbanned seems i am not.
[02:11] <HiDeHo> weird that
[02:11] <HiDeHo> i can only assume i will never again be allowed to use the channel.
[06:55] <elky> HiDeHo, the thing is, we're aware you don't use ubuntu, but instead you use mint. We  *don't* and *cannot* support mint. You however, seem to expect us to, continually, despite hundreds of warnings. Why should we unban you?
[07:14] <HiDeHo> elky: i understand that. its ok. I really was thinking of installig ubuntu on another computer for testing the latest. you just helped me realise what to do. thanks again.
[07:14] <HiDeHo> is moving on from here now
[07:14] <HiDeHo> pm me if you hve any thing else to discues on this.
[09:02] <M4dH4TT3r> hello TMNT
[09:02] <M4dH4TT3r> now why/when was i banned and how am i just hearing about it now while ive been there for approx 3 days?
[09:07] <AlanBell> M4dH4TT3r: you were banned on Feb 24 2012 10:12:55 for repeatedly using inappropriate language for a family friendly channel
[09:09] <M4dH4TT3r> so if i was banned then why did no one tell me about it?
[09:10] <M4dH4TT3r> btw wtf isnt cussing ;)
[09:10] <AlanBell> well I believe they did, and you then mentioned in #ubuntu that you had been banned which kind of acknowledges you were aware of it at the time
[09:10] <M4dH4TT3r> lol no
[09:10] <AlanBell> anyhow, I don't really want to discuss the ban with you, just answering your questions about when and why.
[09:10] <M4dH4TT3r> i was talking about something else
[09:11] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah im waiting for TMNT as he told me to come here
[09:11] <AlanBell> that would be Tm_T
[09:11] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah
[09:12] <M4dH4TT3r> i fill in the blanks ;)
[09:23] <Tm_T> M4dH4TT3r: hi
[09:25] <M4dH4TT3r> hi
[09:25] <Tm_T> M4dH4TT3r: I wasn't the one who set the original ban, but I see you were banned before being removed from the channel
[09:26] <M4dH4TT3r> i was?
[09:27] <M4dH4TT3r> while this doesnt come as a suprise to me i honestly dont remember it
[09:28] <Tm_T> dexter: yes?
[09:28] <Tm_T> ah
[09:29] <dexter> Okay, someone should check in on -ot
[09:30] <M4dH4TT3r> what your gonna make me a op did i hear you right? cause i strongly advise aginst this.
[09:31] <Tm_T> M4dH4TT3r: huh?
[09:35] <M4dH4TT3r> haha its triangulated La59.454862 Lo135.319053 Al-5.045000
[09:35] <ikonia> M4dH4TT3r: stop the games - leave the channel
[09:35] <ikonia> M4dH4TT3r: you troll freenode it's boring, there is no further discussion to be head.
[09:35] <ikonia> had
[09:36] <M4dH4TT3r> ikonia please go away you know we dont like eachother for some years now why do you continue?
[09:37] <ikonia> I don't disliked you, I just have no interest in allowing you continue to break the channels rules, so there is nothing more to discuss, please leave this channel and go about your behaviour in other channels
[09:37] <ikonia> bye
[09:37] <Tm_T> M4dH4TT3r: you've been banned multiple times by multiple ops because of your behaviour, so I believe you did all this on purpose
[09:39] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah a few of which ikonia incited, but anyways no i wasnt even there for some of them its suddenly my fauly ops bann me for things like typos,previous bans, ect and somehow you think this sets precidence and justifies your actions?
[09:40] <ikonia> M4dH4TT3r: no more discussion. Bye
[09:40] <M4dH4TT3r> point made
[09:40] <ikonia> agreed, bye
[09:41] <M4dH4TT3r> were you leaving irc ikonia? because this would be doing me a great service
[12:46] <amiacara> Morn
[12:46] <ikonia> hello amiacara
[12:46] <amiacara> I can't use #ubuntu
[12:46] <Myrtti> yes, I'm still looking at the issue
[12:46] <amiacara> I'm banned
[12:46] <amiacara> by the floodbot
[12:46] <amiacara> :\
[12:46] <Myrtti> I've already told you to have patience, as I can't immediately see what's wrong
[12:46] <ikonia> thanks Myrtti
[12:47] <amiacara> !LTS > amiacara
[12:47] <amiacara> !precise > amiacara
[12:49] <oCean> amiacara: you changed your nick while the bot muted you, /part and rejoin #ubuntu should fix that I think
[12:50] <amiacara> thanks Myrtti
[12:50] <oCean> there you are :)
[17:17] <h00k> nice.
[19:54] <bazhang> caps lock delay looks familiar
[19:54] <LjL> Kubuntu 12.04 here, doesn't happen
[19:55] <ikonia> either way, it's not something that needs to be taken up with "the kernel team" at this time
[19:55] <bazhang> ie I recall a user a while back who claimed the exact same issue
[19:56] <ikonia> bazhang: I've seen it before too, the time I saw it was just X11 in fall back and lagging due to poor video input response
[19:57] <LjL> there is an old report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/294995
[19:58] <ikonia> LjL: bingo, thank you
[20:26] <bazhang> relying on common sense.
[20:27] <bazhang> when even ubuntu /member users are recommending non-supported distros
[20:28] <ikonia> I don't see a problem with someone suggesting an alternative distro if ubuntu doesn't do something the user needs it to do,
[20:28] <ikonia> (I wasn't following the question)
[20:28] <ikonia> just randomly spouting other distros isn't useful
[20:28] <bazhang> crunchbang
[20:29] <bazhang> and lubuntu is the obvious answer
[20:29] <ikonia> well, as that's pretty much an empty shell of a distro not sure why someone would push it
 anybody know where it might be possible to download a beta version of "Ubuntu for Android?"
[20:37] <bazhang> does not exist?
[20:37] <ikonia> that's got popey 's name all over it for reference
[20:37] <bazhang> yep
[20:38] <popey> heh
[20:39] <popey> hilariously my wifi _just_ dropped immediately after i said 'heh'
[20:40] <Silverlion> wb popey
[20:40] <popey> ☺
[20:40] <LjL> bazhang: tbh i don't see a problem either suggesting other OS's when they may genuinely be more suitable. i always say "if you're into games a lot, perhaps better to use Windows", for instance.
[20:40] <ikonia> LjL: it's valid, ubuntu / linux can't tick all the boxes for some peoples needs
[20:40] <LjL> and yes, that's called common sense, suggesting an alternative when suitable instead of sticking to "but it's only strictly about Ubuntu here"
[20:41] <ikonia> supporting an ubuntu user can be saying "maybe ubuntu isn't the best move for you"
[20:41] <ikonia> however just screaming "arch FTW" for every question is garbage
[20:41] <LjL> yes
[20:41] <LjL> yes
[20:41] <ikonia> "I want to update xorg" "try gentoo" - no
[20:41] <bazhang> LjL, lubuntu is the obvious choice. crunchbang is not a good choice at all. and it's not supported
[20:41] <ikonia> bazhang: you're right, however lubuntu is so new, maybe he didn't know ?
[20:42] <tsimpson> SupportersGuide needs changing then ;)
[20:42] <ikonia> I know I missed lubuntu getting developed until it was at a useful stage, then I found it
[20:42] <LjL> tsimpson: yes, i meant to object to that part.
[20:42] <AlanBell> it says "The user came to the channel to solve their problem in Ubuntu so avoid pushing people away to operating systems that are not recognised derivatives of Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives"
[20:42] <ikonia> agreed, if it can be solved in ubuntu, fix it
[20:43] <AlanBell> it isn't stronger than "avoid" I don't want to say "never"
[20:43] <ikonia> I'll cut the lubuntu guy some slack though as it is still quite new and not as well publicised as possible could/should be
[20:43] <ikonia> AlanBell: avoid is fine, I like it's current wording
[20:44] <LjL> AlanBell: also "pushing people away" is one thing, "suggesting" is another. am i pushing people away by saying "if you really want to play commercial games, Ubuntu might not be suitable and maybe you're better off with Windows"?
[20:45] <LjL> if a user will say he wants to be able to compile everything from source in an automated fashion, i'll tell them to consider using Gentoo (not like that happens often, but just an example)
[20:46] <LjL> there's a fine line between "only supporting Ubuntu" and "creating a channel of zealots", you know
[20:47] <ikonia> Ubuntu FTW
[20:47] <ikonia> woot ubuntu
[20:48] <bazhang> he shouldn't be offering help as he is not following the direction of either distro then
[20:49] <AlanBell> LjL: well I would suggest people get a Wii or playstation or something if they want to play games
[20:49] <AlanBell> but anyhow, I don't want to deal with every specific example, common sense is still available :)
[20:50] <AlanBell> just don't want people arriving and being told to go use $otherdistro for no good reason
[20:50] <bazhang> one would imagine someone with a ubuntu members cloak could at least keep up at a minimum
[20:50] <Jordan_U> Though when I say a link to a pic from 4chan in #ubuntu I was expecting a lot worse :)
[20:52] <Jordan_U> s/say/saw/
 ok - I'm sure this channel's been flooded with this request, but where can I download Ubuntu-for-Android so that I can run it on my Nexus Prime?
[22:24] <bazhang> does not exist?
[22:25] <bazhang> why are people continually mentioning this as though it is real?
[22:26] <ikonia> bazhang: it is "real" canonical have a web site up about it
[22:26] <ikonia> the web site just says nothing beyond "check this out, it's real!"
[22:26] <Myrtti> and the email
[22:26] <bazhang> ikonia, with actual working beta to download
[22:26] <AlanBell> would only run on the motorola if it was available
[22:26] <ikonia> bazhang: is there a download ?
[22:26] <ikonia> bazhang: the website doesn't say one
[22:26] <bazhang> ikonia, thats my question
[22:26] <ikonia> ahh. no
[22:26] <ikonia> it's not released yet
[22:27] <ikonia> it's vapour ware in terms of availability, and release dates,
[22:27] <bazhang> and everyone is re-directing to #ubuntu-phone
[22:27] <ikonia> I agree, it's pointless
[22:27] <popey> vapourware is a somewhat pajorative term
[22:27] <ikonia> just people saying "when can I download this" in the channel
[22:27] <ikonia> popey: it wasn't intended to be,
[22:27] <bazhang> trickle down support
[22:27] <ikonia> but in terms of public availability - it doesn't exist
[22:28] <popey> especially when I had one in my hand last week
[22:28] <ikonia> and in terms of information, it doesn't exist
[22:28] <popey> this is why I'm trying to get the FAQ completed
[22:28] <ikonia> I know
[22:28] <bazhang> you by a phone with it then? not something you could ever download and install yourself
[22:29] <bazhang> err buy
[22:29] <ikonia> bazhang: at this time...who knowsx
[22:29] <bazhang> presumably popey
[22:29] <ikonia> just wait for ino
[22:29] <ikonia> info
[22:29] <ikonia> damn batteries are dying on keyboard now
[22:30] <popey> well, thats exactly what we did
[22:30] <popey> buy a phone and crowbar ubuntu onto it
[22:30] <popey> so yeah, it's something you could do, given we did it
[22:31] <bazhang> and it will be available gratis
[22:31] <popey> no idea
[22:31] <bazhang> drm free
[22:31] <Silverlion> gratis is a word i know ^^ and like


[10:03] <oerby_> hi guys. quick question, how is the laptop testing with intrepid going forward? something happening in that direction?


[03:32] <interfear> Hello, I recently purchased a dell laptop that is preinstalled with Ubuntu, and I love it, I haven't used linux in quite a while and the Unity window manager seems kind of sparse, how does Kubuntu compare with the newest KDE Plasma, its been years since I last used KDE
[04:02] <matt1> interf
[04:03] <matt1> quit
[04:08] <ussher_> bugger, was interested in that conversation.  also interested in the dell linux version but prefer kde.  Its what issues the 4k screen is going to have that keep me hesitant
[04:21] <est31> Hi, there is this weird program that always asks me to install flash
[04:21] <est31> but I dont like flash and I dont want flash
[04:22] <est31> how can I make it stop?
[04:25] <mate_ma> Hello! Help me please! Could I install kubuntu from console? (ctrl+alt+f_) without gui? Gui stopped at launching
[04:26] <mate_ma> Hello! Help me please! Could I install kubuntu from console? (ctrl+alt+f_) without gui? Gui stopped at launching
[04:27] <est31> mate_ma, type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:27] <est31> if you already have ubuntu
[04:27] <est31> mate_ma, or are you in live cd?
[04:28] <mate_ma> I'm in live cd, yes
[04:29] <mate_ma> I need install full system, not only gui.
[04:30] <est31> hm I dont know then
[04:30] <est31> mate_ma, you can try to reboot and then chose the "headless installer"
[04:30] <est31> it should work too
[04:33] <mate_ma> hm, where is "headless installer"? I don't have it in my install menu
[04:34] <est31> mate_ma, is there some entry like "no gui"?
[04:34] <mate_ma> no(
[04:34] <est31> search for something like that
[04:37] <mate_ma> I tryed to search but all google's links goes to installing systems working without gui (like server ubuntu). I need load install without gui, but with working gui in future
[04:39] <ussher_> install without the gui, then once its installed do what est31 said and 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[04:40] <est31> ussher_, do you have any clue for my question?
[04:41] <mate_ma> usher, ok, thanks, I will try
[04:41] <ussher_> probably the flash-installer plugin that I see needs updating occasionally.  as a guess.  or install flash to the system, then disable it via the browser you use.
[04:42] <ussher_> est31:  the name of it in apt-get is 'flashplugin-installer'
[04:42] <ussher_> maybe purge that.
[04:42] <est31> ussher_, I dont have that installed :(
[04:42] <ussher_> ah.
[04:43] <yotux> est31 : where are you seeing this message
[04:43] <est31> yotux, in the system tray
[04:43] <est31> then when I click on it it asks for my password
[04:43] <yotux> interesting, I have never saw it down there
[04:43] <ussher_> right click? what does it say?
[04:44] <est31> hmm I think I need to restart to get it again
[04:44] <est31> I've closed it unfortunately :(
[04:44] <est31> brb
[04:52] <est31> hrmm, it didn't show up
[04:52] <est31> maybe its connected to some cron like thing or sth
[04:52] <yotux> not sure, I'm not a huge flash fan either sadly my school uses it
[04:52] <est31> ahh there it is
[04:53] <yotux> when you right click what does it say
[04:53] <est31> not much
[04:53] <est31> only commands
[04:53] <est31> but I have a window now
[04:53] <est31> there are x commands that help you to find out which window corresponds to which process
[04:54] <est31> from that I find out the package
[04:54] <est31> and then i uninstall it
[04:54] <est31> yotux, I am happy that my school wasn't as "technical" as yours :)
[04:54] <est31> my uni doesnt require flash either
[04:56] <yotux> My econ professor is using Launchpad this term so it requires flash
[04:56] <yotux> Silly blackboard and what not.... have a great evening
[05:03] <est31> ussher_, it says kde daemon
[05:07] <est31> hmm seems this fixed it
[05:08] <est31> http://askubuntu.com/questions/616348/how-to-disable-extra-packages-can-be-installed-popup-in-kubuntu-15-04
[10:35] <TheDiveO> I've a nasty ffmpeg issue: it crashes on most MP4 video footage I have and that is known to work previously. Any help?
[10:36] <TheDiveO> FYI, self-compiled ffmpeg 3.0 works correctly, recent Ubuntu ffmpeg 2.8.6-1ubuntu2 crashes with mem acc violation
[10:37] <hateball> TheDiveO: I'd suggest filing a bug against the package then
[10:37] <hateball> !bug | TheDiveO
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:03] <_shaun_> hi guys can one use the copy from syntax when the file is on a different server?
[15:43] <Khaotic_> any idea when canonical will release kdevelop5?
[15:46] <acheronuk_> Khaotic_: when we have it packaged and tested and/or backported
[15:46] <BluesKaj> Khaotic_, guess you have to compile it atm
[15:47] <acheronuk_> Khaotic_: there are some unsupported packages in ppas at the moment
[15:47] <Khaotic_> yeah i know. just like to dl stuff through the app manager
[15:47] <acheronuk_> e.g. https://launchpad.net/~blaze/+archive/ubuntu/kf5
[15:49] <BluesKaj> what's the big hurry anyway, are there some new features you just can't wait for?
[16:42] <wirehack7> hello, could someone explain to me please why I cannot click on "Next" (German: "Weiter") in that installation screen? it's greyed out. http://i.imgur.com/P3geybQ.png
[16:43] <soee> too small partition for the installation ?
[16:43] <Smurphy> wirehack7: You didn't pay us for installing it :
[16:43] <Smurphy> :}
[16:44] <wirehack7> :>
[16:44] <wirehack7> where I insert a coin to continue?
[16:44] <wirehack7> oh, soee, good hint, maybe 8GB is too less
[16:44] <wirehack7> lemme test
[16:44] <Smurphy> lol :) Good one.
[16:44] <soee> wirehack7: it is to small
[16:44] <Smurphy> Could be the 8GB yes. It will use some for SWAP - so there won't be enough available.
[16:49] <wirehack7> ah, now it works. And I understand that symbol which looks like a trash can on the top of the window now
[16:50] <wirehack7> thanks
[18:06] <francisco1978> f
[18:47] <Kronz> hola
[18:52] <clivejo> hi Kronz
[19:29] <alphazulu_> any get "writing to camera is not supported" error with dolphin trying to copy stuff to android device?
[19:31] <genii> alphazulu_: Set the phone to connect as a mass storage device instead of as a camera
[19:31] <alphazulu_> genii: i thought it was.  i disconnected and reconnected and now i think its working
[19:32] <alphazulu_> i see what looks like a progress circle indicator in the statusbar
[19:59] <alphazulu_> trying the libpdf Chrome plugin in FF now.  last time I tried it totally didn't work
[20:00] <alphazulu_> after being prompted like 5 times to allow the libpdf.so, all it shows is a blank page with the text "Hello"  :-(
[20:14] <user|75336> hi all
[20:15] <user|75336> does anybody known which k/ubuntu do i need to download for my old powerbook g4?
[20:16] <user|75336> Processor Speed: 1 GHz
[20:17] <user|75336> hi all. Does anybody known which k/ubuntu do i need to download for my old powerbook g4?
[20:17] <user|75336> Processor Speed: 1 GHz
[20:17] <user|75336> ram 1 g
[20:17] <Dragonslicer> You can try Kubuntu, but I don't know how well it will run on hardware that old
[20:18] <Dragonslicer> And please don't repeat yourself. Everyone saw your message the first time.
[20:18] <user|75336> ok, sorry i saw few new people
[20:41] <matt1> any ETA on an update for the recent kdeconnect 1.0 release?
[21:07] <GuKKDevel> hello, I dropped my control band/border
[21:08] <GuKKDevel> how to recover it wthout configuering new completly
[21:32] <loosing_patient> guys i loosing my time trying to creat an image in a usb.. any assistance highly appreciated
[21:40] <loosing_patient> does anybody know were can i get a kubuntu 14 in holland?
[21:40] <loosing_patient> i mean in a dvd or similar
[21:41] <existenze> what for?
[21:42] <loosing_patient> to replace my old powerbook software
[21:42] <loosing_patient> can do much with it
[21:42] <existenze> what do you want a dvd for?
[21:42] <existenze> can't boot from usb?
[21:42] <loosing_patient> to installed
[21:42] <loosing_patient> i have no idea how to do that
[21:43] <loosing_patient> i downloaded the iso into a usb.. but nothing
[21:43] <loosing_patient> i can open either uui nor unetbootin
[21:44] <existenze> There are hundreds of guides showing how to burn a iso into a usb
[21:44] <existenze> https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation
[21:45] <GeekK> loosing_patient: rufus al geprobeerd?
[21:45] <GeekK> loosing_patient: o sorry das voor win..
[21:45] <nogueira> My home folder is full even with no archive in it, is there  a known bug?
[21:46] <loosing_patient> thanks I'll check that out
[21:46] <loosing_patient> nee niet gedaan
[21:46] <nogueira> http://imgur.com/a/nBlxK
[21:48] <existenze> listed hidden files?
[21:49] <nogueira> Let me check that out
[21:50] <Dragonslicer> nogueira- don't use -i
[21:50] <nogueira> http://imgur.com/a/BATPJ
[21:50] <nogueira> Why not?
[21:50] <nogueira> Dragonslicer: ^
[21:50] <Dragonslicer> Because it shows inode usage instead of block usage
[21:51] <Dragonslicer> I get very different percentages between -i and normal
[21:51] <existenze> how is that an empty home? It's full cause it's actually full...
[21:51] <Dragonslicer> Like /var having 2% inode usage but 15% block usage
[21:51] <nogueira> Yes existenze, that would be the obvious interpretation
[21:52] <nogueira> But as you can see in the screenshot, it actually isn't
[21:52] <nogueira> Didn't mean to be rude existenze
[21:53] <nogueira> The total size of home as shown in the screenshot is 244KiB
[21:53] <existenze> nope
[21:53] <nogueira> Files show that it only has 2.4GB left
[21:53] <existenze> that's not the folder size
[21:53] <Dragonslicer> nogueira- ls -alh won't include the size of files in subdirectories
[21:54] <Dragonslicer> nogueira- df -h /home
[21:54] <nogueira> Thanks, gonna try it
[21:54] <Dragonslicer> Also remember that df only works on disk partitions
[21:55] <Dragonslicer> If you need to check the total usage of any other directory, you can use du
[21:55] <nogueira> http://pastebin.com/LizDdp2f
[21:55] <nogueira> Ok Dragonslicer
[21:55] <existenze> dolphin will give an acurate folder size (faster the cl)
[21:55] <Dragonslicer> There you go, there's 2.5 GB free
[21:56] <nogueira> existenze: but could I track where is the file which is filling up my home folder?
[21:56] <existenze> just see the properties of each folder
[21:57] <nogueira> Ok
[21:57] <Dragonslicer> From a shell, you can use du -sh /home/yourusername/*
[21:57] <Dragonslicer> Or you can get really fancy with the find command
[21:58] <nogueira> I tracked the folder which was filling up the entire home folder, thanks!
[21:58] <Dragonslicer> You might also be able to do something like ls -rRS
[21:58] <nogueira> Forgot to use the recursive option with ls
[21:59] <existenze> nice language btw