[00:37] <zmoylan-pi> a 7" laptop running linux... not a psion but looks interesting... http://liliputing.com/2017/01/gpd-pocket-will-7-inch-touchscreen-laptop-windows-ubuntu-support.html
[00:39] <daftykins> apollo lake would make more sense
[00:44] <zmoylan-pi> perhaps but i'm just glad that someone is looking to the micro market again.  i was listening to a podcast recently of someone running mame on a toshiba libretto.  a pc the size of a vhs casette
[00:47] <penguin42> libretto were cute
[00:48] <zmoylan-pi> they were around and got a lot of usage in places showing there is a market for very small useable hardware
[00:49] <penguin42> yeh, although these days just adding a folding keyboard to a 7" tablet is probably the right thing
[00:52] <daftykins> :D
[00:52] <daftykins> i wanted one of those when i was a kid, before i settled on the Psion 3c
[00:52] <daftykins> young me wanted a laptop so bad, he sold his game boy :(
[00:52] <daftykins> talk about buyers remorse
[00:53] <zmoylan-pi> the folding keyboards don't support the tablet well enough to use securely on a lap on a train
[00:53] <penguin42> haha, the Psion was kind of nice for it's use, but not as a general machine
[00:54] <zmoylan-pi> i used the psions as a main machine at home
[00:54] <zmoylan-pi> ...probably explains my getting by with dumb phones :-)
[00:54] <daftykins> oh man i found the 90s game 'Track Attack' by Microprose hidden in the eaves cupboard at my folks today, along with some old DOS Conan the Barbarian
[00:56] <penguin42> hth did you use a psion as a main machine?!
[00:58] <zmoylan-pi> it did word processing, spreadsheets, databases and i could fit all my data into those plus i could write program in opl for things i needed
[00:58] <zmoylan-pi> when i switched to a psion 5 it did the internet quite well on top of the rest
[00:59] <zmoylan-pi> and lived in my pocket and ran for a week on 2 aa batteries
[01:01] <daftykins> :D
[01:01] <daftykins> i do hope my dad finds my 3c eventually
[01:02] <daftykins> kept it around for a crossword helping function i think
[01:05] <zmoylan-pi> i remember an alarm engineer who used our accounting software asking about it and what it could do and in the time i showed him i exported his databases to a csv and read them into the psion database and showed him how it could store all his info so it was always in his pocket.
[01:07] <daftykins> \o/
[01:08] <zmoylan-pi> this was in mid 90s when simple data exchanges where often complicated and horrible and to do it on a mobile device...
[01:08] <penguin42> back in about 95 I used it for taking notes; very good for walking around the university library in when I was reading papers on stuff doing research before it was all online
[01:09] <zmoylan-pi> and none of the modern fondle slabs does the job as well
[01:10] <daftykins> in about '99 i got the ok to install PsiWin on the school library 486s so i could transfer some homework and print it
[01:10] <zmoylan-pi> it's why i like my qwerty based dumbphone
[01:11] <penguin42> yeh the Psion keyboard was really great for thumb typing - until the hinge went
[01:11] <penguin42> (Mine was the Acorn branded one)
[01:11] <zmoylan-pi> there were schools using those a lot instead of school books back in the day.  tiny, weighed next to nothing. quite powerful
[01:12] <daftykins> i had some game set with Horace on!
[01:12] <penguin42> well, not THAT powerful
[01:12] <daftykins> solid state cards!
[01:13]  * penguin42 had the fileshare setup on Linux
[01:14] <daftykins> the backlight was really good on the 3c
[01:16] <penguin42> not bad for 2AAs
[01:17] <penguin42> someone really should build a modern tablet into a Psion 3 shell with modern batteries and preferably a better hinge
[01:24] <zmoylan-pi> i wish someone would make a case for the pi zero that was a keyboard and small screen like a psion 3 or 5 or even a z88
[01:25] <penguin42> z88 was a bit unbalanced - big keyboard tiny screen
[01:25] <zmoylan-pi> but a very comfy keyboard...
[01:26] <daftykins> hmm is there any video output on any of the pin groupings so that a portable wouldn't have to use HDMI? i'm not sure how suited to low power HDMI is...
[01:26] <zmoylan-pi> think of that with say a 4" modern phone screen...
[01:27] <zmoylan-pi> the pis have an analog video out, it's how i attached it to scart :-)
[01:28] <daftykins> you'd want to actually read something though ;)
[01:28] <daftykins> composite is blech
[01:28] <penguin42> daftykins: A lot of the mobile chips have MIPI I think
[01:29] <zmoylan-pi> and i seem to remember some folk have hooked them up to nokia 3310 screens
[01:29] <daftykins> ah har
[01:29] <zmoylan-pi> so at least one part of the device would be unbreakable :-P
[01:35] <daftykins> Bruce Willis'd
[01:41] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc6uCH_xtJE
[01:42] <daftykins> our man in Manhattan is "making boards great again"
 i had a customer call me out on that... i repaired a 13" macbook air and used a BIOS chip from an 11", copying the ME region over... so they asked me if i'd made it smaller
[03:01] <daftykins> because the "about this mac" said "11" macbook air" on a 13" model
[03:01] <daftykins> :D
[07:01] <knightwise> morning everyone
[09:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:29] <penguin42> anyone else see a power blip at 4am ?
[12:30]  * penguin42 saw the lights go for a subsecond and looking at my logs I see my virgin cable went out at the same time (and didn't come back until a couple of hours ago)
[12:39] <knightphone> hmm a raspberry powered earthquake connector
[12:39] <knightphone> now thats interesting
[12:41] <penguin42> hmm yeh, my cctv shows the street lights went as well
[12:42] <zmoylan-pi> the hour of pi...when all the rasp pis on the planet send out a command to any physical devices they are controlling to activate at the same time...
[12:42] <penguin42> (not that it's UPS backed but the PC that records it has a big PSU but only draws ~20W from it so lasts ages)
[12:42] <popey> penguin42: not here
[12:44] <penguin42> must have been a local squirrel being fried on a local substation
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> ninja squirrels, fighting the system
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> Glitch in the matrix?
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi>  i think at last count squirrels took down more power systems than hackers
[12:59] <penguin42> squirrels *are* hackers
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> more gnawers than hackers
[13:02] <zmoylan-pi> but their problem solving skills are not in doubt... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDOTefoVAA
[18:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[18:31] <popey> hello
[18:42] <daftykins> \o
[18:43] <daftykins> it's happened, i spotted my first creme egg display
[18:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, well I ended up  with some left over christmas choclate, and mini eggs on the same day a few days bac k
[18:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> they pretty much sell easter chocolate the day after christmas here
[18:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, daftykins in other news thats nice the fedora 25 sseemes to work well with wayland from my live
[18:44]  * SebthreeBQM10HD is actsually setting up  quad boot here ;d
[18:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Windows, plus three distros
[18:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well unless something happens and the uefi makes it all go wrong or something
[18:44]  * SebthreeBQM10HD re setting up a lap top
[18:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, what do you personally think about well the direction of ubuntu touch etc?  seems a lot of people got things wrong on the omgubuntu link the other  day in the comments
[18:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I guess makes sense to stop the ota's though really,  whilst things turn into ubuntu personal etc
[18:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or snap system etc
[19:10] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: i should update my fedora install...
[19:10] <popey> i found the ssd with it on while tidying up yesterday.
[19:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, naughtye naughtey your not allowed to use other desktop Linux distros now, you work for Canonical, h eh : d
[19:15] <diddledan> SebthreeBQM10HD: popey is an equal opportunities open sourcer :-p
[19:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, well I found my HP  USB of Win 8.1 a few days ago which started all this off :d.
[19:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, you can look at things to copy from Fedora for Ubuntu though h eh :d
[19:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but other then that, no other distros like that allowed, you work for Canonical, h eh
[19:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan, yeah they might get a better expereince  with Fedora :d h eh
[19:20] <popey> i have an ssd which contains 4x60GB partitions. One is debian, one fedora, an arch and a suse install :)
[19:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, oh
[19:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, well I am about to quad boot now :d
[19:21] <diddledan> popey: I'm ashamed, you need a Gentoo, too
[19:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> shame my last distor will need a re burn to a usb
[19:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> using something else to I think
[19:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but ok the ubuntu 16.10 and fedora 25 usbs work
[19:21] <daftykins> arch covers his Linux ricer obligations!
[19:21] <popey> hehe
[19:21] <diddledan> you don't know you're alive until you've spent 6 months living entirely in Gentoo compiling everything
[19:21] <popey> i thought gentoo was dead ;)
[19:21] <popey> in fact, i might dig that out now and update them all
[19:21] <diddledan> lol
[19:22] <diddledan> \o/
[19:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> GNOME in wayland is sort of boring :d
[19:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since it works so well
[19:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> h eh
[19:22] <diddledan> is \o/ a bow-legged lol?
[19:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, I assume you been reaing ubunt utouch things recently, what do you think of the general direction etc ?
[19:24] <popey> \o/ is arms in the air
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, you mean its all a bit uncertain ?
[19:25] <diddledan> and lol is the same arms but higher :-p
[19:25] <popey> eh?
[19:25] <popey> I didn't say anything
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, Ubuntu touch otas on hold I read,  whilst things turn into a snappy system
[19:26] <diddledan> don't believe everything you read
[19:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> then  once  snappy system older phones such as the bq's  and mx4 appranatly may not work
[19:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with it
[19:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and 16.04 update should be coming to tablet
[19:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and no new ubuntu phones untill snappy system
[19:26] <diddledan> this whole "OMGZ0R THE END OF THE WORLD" is thoroughly detestful
[19:27] <popey> its a bit bonkers
[19:27] <diddledan> ^^ so much this
[19:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan, its not dead if that's what you mean,  certian people on omgubuntu thought it was though
[19:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I know changes are coming
[19:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but taking time
[19:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I know the whole 15.04 based system will get dropped
[19:28] <diddledan> bonkers is a good word for it
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you mean ther should be some otas in the mean time really
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not just some security updates
[19:29] <daftykins> although that'd be true if they hadn't released creme eggs this year
[19:29] <diddledan> I nearly succumbed to creme eggs today
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah the Ubuntu touch devs are eating too many creame eggs, and not devloping ubuntu toch enough as a result, so had to dorp otas :d
[19:30] <daftykins> :D
[19:30] <daftykins> i saw them for the first time today, mmm
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> apparnatly a bit smaller this year
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since brexit ?
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> :D
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh but your on the isalnd so
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no not sure about the cremae egg seriosly for that one ,but the toberone apparnatly became smaller because of that and cost of ingridents
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, your creame eggs would come directly from UK I assume
[19:33] <popey> right, disk installed... which to update first... debian I think, expect that to succeed :)
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, well I am doing Ubuntu 16.10 now
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> followed by Fedora 25
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> assuming things still ok with grub etc on uefi system as well after that then yeah Mageia 5.1 as well after making a new usb for that in another way, had a problem
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, I'll have a nice quad boot after that :d
[19:34] <diddledan> boot them all in separate VM simultaneously and update them all at the same time
[19:35] <popey> not sure that's possible.
[19:35] <daftykins> sure it is :>
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  diddledan yeah  vm's :), but for my ones got proper reaosns wanting  them alll on real hardware
[19:35] <popey> guess I could point kvm at each partition
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with enoguh ram should be able to do a few vms yes
[19:37] <popey> cant see that working as they'd each want exclusive access to the disk
[19:37] <popey> to do mbr updating and stuff
[19:37] <popey> debian has 220 packages to upgrade :D
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, sounds about right
[19:38] <penguin42> yeh it's a little tricky to pick up something that thinks it's installed on a raw disk into a VM; it's OK if it's always been installed in it's own partition which it thinks it is it's own disk
[19:38] <penguin42> or if you give the whole disk to the vm
[19:53] <daftykins> probably not wise on a budget SSD to hammer it so, anyways
[19:57] <diddledan> I only hammer disks when I want to be sure about erasing a file
[19:57] <diddledan> e.g. that file from SIS about the illegal interrogations I stole
[19:58]  * diddledan waits for a knock
[20:00] <daftykins> Silicon Image Systems? that's quite the branch out :D
[20:00] <daftykins> at least it means no more terrible chipsets ;D
[20:04] <diddledan> lol
[20:55] <diddledan> so bbc iplayer - they ask you to say whether you have a license or not, but they don't actually capture any details about you as evidence
[21:09] <daftykins> nope they have no feature to detect or track
[21:09] <daftykins> eventually they might move to account based usage, but that's years away
[21:10] <brobostigon> cant they track your ip, then fro that ip work out which isp your with, and from there do geolocation?
[21:10] <brobostigon> its not, cant they, they can.
[21:11] <diddledan> but how does geolocating me within the UK help them determine that I've not got a license?
[21:11] <diddledan> (I have got a license, I'm being theoretical)
[21:11] <brobostigon> doesnt the tv licence db, tell who has a tv licence and where?
[21:11] <daftykins> goes back to the recent argument in courts that you can't guarantee a subscriber is the person using a given connection
[21:12] <diddledan> yes but my IP doesn't tell them what my address is
[21:12] <brobostigon> tor for exaple.
[21:12] <daftykins> surely it'd be against data protection to mix that with info on ISP subscriptions
[21:12] <daftykins> anyway, long story short it's an honour system right now
[21:12] <brobostigon> i agree, daftykins
[21:12] <diddledan> my ISP is not allowed to tell the BBC where I live, unless it is public information, due to Data Protection legislation
[21:13] <daftykins> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/07/fm_radio_being_phased_out_in_norway/ D:
[21:13] <diddledan> all my IP proves is that I'm somewhere in the UK
[21:13] <daftykins> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/07/tv_anchor_says_alexa_buy_me_a_dollhouse_and_she_does/ - this is hilarious
[21:14] <diddledan> alexa, buy porn
[21:14] <brobostigon> yes, it doesnt quite work the sae as trying to geolocate my phone.
[21:15] <diddledan> your phone is less likely to be locatable unless you accept the prompt to share your location via a webpage
[21:16] <brobostigon> or accept i can be geolocated roughly from aerial connections.
[21:16] <diddledan> that data isn't shared with websites
[21:16] <diddledan> it's only shared if you say yes to the prompt
[21:17] <popey> 531 updates to fedora.. it's fedora 23. I should probably upgrade it
[21:17] <diddledan> what number is fedora on these days?
[21:17] <brobostigon> or if there a is an order by home secretery with judicial approval to pull that data,
[21:18] <zmoylan-pi> your smart tv is grassing you out... :-)
[21:18] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: what about my internet connected adult toy?
[21:18] <zmoylan-pi> well that has you by the short and curlies...
[21:19] <popey> 25 now.
[21:19] <diddledan> the internet of things really does make you wonder when your sexual habbits are sent to a company HQ for analysis
[21:20] <zmoylan-pi> the graph charts at meetings are probably real eye openers...
[21:20] <zmoylan-pi> and you can't keep pink in any of the printers for long....
[21:20] <brobostigon> maybe gchq does these kinds of things already? who knows.
[21:20] <diddledan> I expect they require a user-account with other personal details such as height weight and such
[21:21] <diddledan> I wonder whether anyone has designed a 3D printable thingy yet?
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> probably first thing printed out...
[21:21] <diddledan> lol
[21:21] <diddledan> like knorks were the first ever image sent over the network?
[21:22] <diddledan> followed-shortly by the virus which pretended to be knorks
[21:39] <popey> whee, upgrading fedora 23 to 24, 1580 packages to do
[21:40] <daftykins> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/06/uk_cases_highlight_different_routes_taken_by_prosecutors_over_the_supply_of_modified_tv_settop_boxes/
[21:40] <daftykins> ooh that'd be nice to get all those pesky android box slingers finished off
[21:51] <deltaforce> Hello
[21:53] <daftykins> lo
[22:06] <diddledan> "Under section 296ZB(1)(c)(i) of the CDPA, it is an offence if a person, in the course of a business, sells or lets for hire any device, product or component which is primarily designed, produced, or adapted for the purpose of enabling or facilitating the circumvention of effective technological measures."
[22:06] <diddledan> surely if you are able to circumvent then you can claim they're ineffective technological measures?
[22:06] <daftykins> yay Louis \o/ https://youtu.be/LUvyosaLW8o
[22:06] <zmoylan-pi> you could ban screwdrivers with that
[22:08] <diddledan> daftykins: he's making a huge mess of that board
[22:08] <popey> ooh, fedora 23 to 24 upgrade finished.
[22:09] <daftykins> nah they start as a mess :)
[22:09] <daftykins> then they work and they still are, 'cause they're fruity tech ;)
[22:16] <popey> wheee, now Fedora 24->25 in progress
[22:17] <daftykins> ;]
[22:17] <daftykins> you and your updates!
[22:17]  * diddledan updates daftykins . quite hard.
[22:19] <daftykins> err
[22:21]  * zmoylan-pi points and laughs at daftykins new theme...
[22:25] <daftykins> oh my Tux, my cat is eating an envelope
[22:25] <diddledan> \o/
[22:28] <zmoylan-pi> that'll teach the dog pound to solicit donations...
[22:34] <zmoylan-pi> and video it for a get out of jail 'the cat ate my tax return' :-)
[22:36] <daftykins> :D
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> if the internet is any guide, there's no jury that will convict someone who gives them cat videos... :-D
[22:39] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B0154RIT60/
[22:39] <daftykins> wow that bluray i watched was potentially a bad release
[22:39] <daftykins> two others have a bad experience


[00:36] <starwind> Can anyone point me to any good guide/documentation on setting up midi keyboards in linux?  Just got an Alesis QX25, but having issues getting it to do anything in ubuntu-studio
[01:08] <holstein> starwind: its likely already "working"
[01:09] <holstein> starwind: what i suggest is, just learn to use the system, generally.. learn to configure jack, and see if USB devices are present in linux
[01:09] <starwind> Yeah, I need to learn more about Jack.  I finally got some sound out of it just now using phasex with jack midi in and alsa out.
[01:09] <starwind> Just not getting jack setup quite how it should
[01:10] <holstein> you really shouldnt need to do anything other than, get jack running, open something like yoshimi, and "route" the midi keyboard to the midi in's on yoshimi, and the audio outputs on yoshimi to the sound card
[07:20] <masterbootrecord> hi all
[07:21] <masterbootrecord> just looking for some guidance on installing ubuntustudio metas and packages into debian 7.8..?
[07:23] <cfhowlett> masterbootrecord, probably better to ask #debian
[07:24] <masterbootrecord> hehe, maybe, assumed better to ask here first as debian users unlikely to know repos for ubuntustudio package files etc
[07:25] <cfhowlett> masterbootrecord, you need debian support for importing non-debian packages
[07:28] <masterbootrecord> hmmm, fair enough, so not just able to add ubnstudio repos to my sources.list and hope apt has no depency resolution issues? Jumping on debian channel to ask also...


[11:59] <s9iper1> is there a problem with launchpad karma?
[11:59] <s9iper1> any changing or update?
[15:14] <SamB> So ... does nobody else use chrome/chromium to submit launchpad bugs?
[15:16] <SamB> I ask because when *I* do, the cursor is always invisible at the beginning of the line due to the CSS reset...
[15:16] <Forage> I just tried uploading new sources to launchpad and I get a response e-mail stating "Unhandled exception processing upload<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is not a valid email address."
[15:16] <Forage> this wasn't a problem in the past
[15:17] <Forage> the upload is rejected as a result
[15:17] <Forage> what could be the problem?
[15:30] <Forage> hmmm, if I try to upload it for a second time I get the massage "Package has already been uploaded to ppa on ppa.launchpad.net"
[15:31] <SamB> Forage: I would assume that was a really stupid bug
[15:32] <SamB> I mean, it's clearly a syntactically valid email address ...
[15:32] <Forage> yeah
[15:32] <Forage> and it has worked in the past for a different package
[15:32] <Forage> it's also the address I used for registering at launchpad
[15:33] <Forage> is there a way I can force a re-upload?
[15:33] <Forage> ah, -f
[15:34] <Forage> lets see what it does for a second time
[15:37] <Forage> rejected again... :-(
[15:45] <Forage> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/186189
[17:38] <Ampelbein> Heya, this build: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-8.4/8.4.10-1/+build/2988698 looks stalled, can some buildd admin give it a little hit with a bat?
[18:08] <WasserDragoon> hello, any launchpad admin here? my id needs to be renamed
[18:08] <WasserDragoon> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/186123
[18:14] <WasserDragoon> hmm i'll create a new one... pls delete the mentioned account

[22:33] <phillw> Hi guys, I'm a bit stuck for the alteration of mailing list on https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop to be changed from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to our new area of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:50] <lifeless> that will need handling by sysadmins
[22:50] <lifeless> you need to open a ticket - start at htps://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[23:09] <phillw> lifeless: thanks, I've fired an email to our 'boss' to check if he has already instigated this. Even though I am an admin, I do like to check :)