[00:01] <phocking> oh hey
[00:02] <tehwizard> Hello
[00:03] <phocking> i just installed system-config-kickstart
[00:03] <phocking> everything installed without error, but it dumps core when i try to run it
[00:03] <phocking> libglade-WARNING **: 15:51:49.379: Could not load support for `gnome': libgnome.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:04] <sarnold> phocking: try installing libgnomeui-0
[00:04] <tehwizard> I am not familiar with system-config-kickstart.. but it sounds like you don't have gnome libraies installed
[00:05] <sarnold> I tend to think of both system-config-   and kickstart as red hat things. are you sure this is a program you want to use?
[00:05] <phocking> tehwizard: yeah i just figured that i would let folks know because i imagine the apt package should have that as a dependency
[00:06] <sarnold> holy cow that's actually packaged :)
[00:06] <sarnold> TIL
[00:06] <phocking> sarnold: this is the accepted answer for creating a headless ubuntu installation medium on askubuntu site: https://askubuntu.com/questions/122505/how-do-i-create-a-completely-unattended-install-of-ubuntu
[00:06] <tehwizard> @phocking you are probably right, but you didn't specify you installed it from apt-get xD  That said, I don't know system-config-kickstart at al.
[00:08] <phocking> sarnold: i did as you suggested and now i am getting a more fun lengthy error. pastebin?
[00:09] <sarnold> phocking: please
[00:10] <phocking> https://gist.github.com/phillhocking/c9fb9f1b8f42aaf18b52c784d6907b5b
[00:11] <tehwizard> You need the shortn package too :D
[00:12] <sarnold> tehwizard: alright how'd you figure that out? :)
[00:13] <tehwizard> shortn a little teminal program to shorten urls :D
[00:13] <tehwizard> works great
[00:13] <sarnold> lol
[00:13] <phocking> oh i just have visual mode on all my terminals and just copy paste
[00:14] <phocking> in fact, i run windows natively and have the ubuntu instance i am working on as a vm with enhancements so it is full screen on another monitor/isnt jerky/can see the windows volumes
[00:14] <phocking> https://www.hanselman.com/blog/UsingEnhancedModeUbuntu1804ForHyperVOnWindows10.aspx
[00:15] <phocking> i just did this today after trying to hack some powershell and bash together and then just used the hyper-v builder one click thing
[00:15] <tehwizard> well, it seems the GTKWarning: could not open display.
[00:17] <tehwizard> you are running as root? is x-server running? or are you just in a shell?
[00:18] <phocking> tehwizard: x server is running but i am connected via rdp/xorg
[00:19] <sarnold> oh, try connecting with ssh -X perhaps?
[00:20] <phocking> so this vm uses xrdp
[00:20] <tehwizard> maybe you need xvfb?
[00:23] <tehwizard> I think by default Ubuntu doesnt allow root access to your display
[00:24] <tehwizard> xhost +si:localuser:root   might fix that.. but its probably a better idea to be doing sudo as a user..
[00:25] <tehwizard> But if it is a VM, then maybe its not such a big deal.   up to you
[00:25] <Phruis> trying to install mariadb and the secure install script doesn't seem to be working
[00:39] <flog> Im trying to figure out how to get i3lock to run on any action that suspends or hibernates my laptop.
[00:40] <flog> Light now i have a hotkey that triggers my i3lock script and then suspends or hibernates.
[00:41] <flog> Would like to get this by just closing the laptop lid.
[00:42] <sarnold> be aware that most of these kinds of screenlockers won't work if you've got a menu open or using a VM
[00:42] <sarnold> part of what I like about i3lock is that it just locks it when you run it, and you know immediately if it worked or not
[00:43] <flog> That is a good point.
[00:43] <flog> would just be nice to have my laptop locked when closing the lid.
[00:43] <flog> Maybe that would be the better way to solve it.
[00:44] <sarnold> systemd has some mechanism to do things when lids open or close but I can never find the stupid things when peoiple ask...
[00:44] <flog> Not messing with whenever ubuntu suspends/hibernates but trigger it on the lid close state. If that is even possible
[00:45] <sarnold> flog: ah there it is, take a look at logind.conf(5) and please report back if you find something, I'd like it too :)
[00:49] <flog> What i find in the man page is a bit over my knowledge :/
[00:51] <akk> I don't think you want a lid open/close event, you want a generic resume event.
[00:52] <akk> systemd does have one, but I never got it to work (but it's been over a year since I tried, maybe they fixed it).
[00:52] <akk> I'd google something like systemd suspend resume
[00:52] <flog> Logind seems to have HandleLidSwitch
[00:53] <flog> My laptop does suspend when i close the lid. I'd just like it to run i3lock aswell when that happens.
[00:53] <flog> I assume that standard ubuntu DE does handle lock on suspend somehow.
[00:53] <flog> but now im using i3wm
[00:54] <flog> I still have the standard DE installed along with the default login manager if that makes any difference.
[01:24] <chieta> ping sarnold... yes i have dist-upgrade from disco to eoan... so the kernel upgraded
[01:24] <chieta> should i use the old kernel
[01:26] <ironpill_> Hi all I have these ip routes: https://gist.github.com/ironpillow/8e78d9159ab153d4c0b403575693dcd1. I am trying to do ping -I enx70886b89f988 google.com, but it's not working. Interface mgmt and enx70886b89f988 are in separate routing tables. Any advice?
[02:36] <drews> Hello #ubuntu
[02:37] <chieta> anyone on eoan having problem with virtualbox like this https://dpaste.de/YN2o... yes i have dist-upgrade from disco to eoan... so the kernel upgraded
[02:38] <chieta> anyone on eoan having problem with virtualbox ... yes i have dist-upgrade from disco to eoan... so the kernel upgraded https://dpaste.de/Fsck
[02:45] <OerHeks> ttat error says maybe secure boot issue, or sign the vbox drvr, but the ubuntu version is signed?
[02:46] <OerHeks> Look at /var/log/vbox-setup.log to find out what went wrong.
[02:46] <OerHeks>
[02:47]  * OerHeks spots vagrant
[02:54] <rfm> chieta, what version of virtualbox?  You need 6.0.14 for kernel 5.3.
[03:16] <chieta> checking rfm
[03:30] <privism> Also Oracle VirtualBox does not provide eoan package yet, I had to remove old dist and reinstall 6.0.14 from Ubuntu eoan repository to make it work.
[04:06] <eelstrebor> not sure if it's a problem with ubuntu or vlc - audio is fine through speakers but i only get music but no voice when switching to headphones
[04:07] <chieta> ping rfm it works thanks im on 5.3
[04:09] <eelstrebor> i don't think it's a vlc problem since amazon streams using the firefox web browser does the same thing
[05:55] <jerichowasahoax`> i've got some filesystems listed in /etc/fstab with the "exec" mount option, but they're still getting mounted noexec when the system boots. Where do I start?
[06:11] <tomreyn> jerichowasahoax`: which file system is it? how do you tell they're mounted nonexec? if you     sudo mount -o remount,exec    one of these file systems, do they mount executable then?
[06:16] <jerichowasahoax`> tomreyn: /mnt/*, executing scripts/binaries on those filesystems reports "permission denied", and "sudo mount -o remount,exec ..." allows me to execute files on these filesystems again
[06:19] <tomreyn> jerichowasahoax`: hmm, i meant the file system type, like ext4 or vfat, not its mount point
[06:20] <jerichowasahoax`> tomreyn: three ntfs-3g and one ext4
[06:20] <tomreyn> and which ubuntu and kernel version is this?
[06:21] <jerichowasahoax`> eoan and 5.3.0-18-generic
[06:21] <tomreyn> and you're sure it also affectes the ext4 file system?
[06:21] <jerichowasahoax`> at least until it's remounted, yes
[06:22] <tomreyn> hmm, strange, but they are mounted writable from the start, right?
[06:22] <jerichowasahoax`> writable, yes, just not executable
[06:22] <tomreyn> is there anything on your logs on the exec mount failing initially?
[06:23] <jerichowasahoax`> tomreyn: no, but bootup was 12 hours ago
[06:24] <tomreyn> well it'd still be in the systemd journal
[06:24] <jerichowasahoax`> tomreyn: is there an fstab in the initrd that i should be paying attention to? i ran update-initramfs after posting my question but i haven't restarted to see if that fixed it
[06:28] <tomreyn> but if there isn't, then i'm afraid that's all i could think off
[06:39] <sarnold> chieta: btw do-release-upgrade is the far better upgrade mechanism
[06:40] <chieta> yes sarnold im doing wrong editing sources.list manually
[06:41] <chieta> thanks noted
[07:21] <pi0> how do i prevent dns leak 18.04
[07:23] <Dresk> Does Ubuntu have a UPnP gateway server yet?  The packages available are very confusing
[07:23] <Dresk> I route using Linux, not a hardware router, and I REALLY need UPnP
[07:45] <indoorcat> what kind if data does ubuntu share?
[07:45] <sarnold> ?
[07:45] <indoorcat> do they record microphones and stuff?
[07:45] <indoorcat> well I know they share some data just not sure what it is
[07:46] <sarnold> indoorcat: I think I've heard that people like using audacity
[07:46] <indoorcat> im thinking I should stop using chrome
[07:47] <Dresk> I'm reading that Linux, as a router, STILL doesn't have UPnP?
[07:47] <indoorcat> I have all my sercurity options shut off for chrome, I mean hell I don't turn off my phone like a lunatic all the time but I do sometimes
[07:48] <indoorcat> I wonder how many recording google has of me
[07:53] <isomari> greetings, what is the package python3-distupgrade use for?
[07:55] <indoorcat> I need one of those plastic cover for your laptop webcam, i'm too paranoid, I know audio is a lost cause if I'm using the web trying to learn python but covering the camera I can control
[07:55] <ibsen> hi hi :)
[07:55] <indoorcat> i'm trying to use dual monitor
[07:55] <indoorcat> s
[07:56] <indoorcat> hi
[07:56] <indoorcat> could disable the microphone I guess
[07:56] <indoorcat> completly
[07:56] <indoorcat> destroy the wiring
[07:57] <indoorcat> might as well go for the camera while i'm at it
[07:58] <indoorcat> there goes my twitch career
[07:59] <indoorcat> i'n poor, I destroy things a lot so I am hesitent to destroy it but I know it needs to be done
[07:59] <indoorcat> then I just need a phone snowden uses
[07:59] <indoorcat> lol
[07:59] <indoorcat> then I can make plans to take over the world in private
[08:00] <indoorcat> anyone in the privacy channel, I need an invite
[08:03] <sarnold> Dresk: it is indeed entirely possible that the only software to run the port-opening part of upnp is commercial
[08:11] <indoorcat> my computer is hooked up to the internet wired ethernet but the three squares icon up top has a questionmark, it happend when my picture flipped upsidedown yesterday I think
[08:14] <indoorcat> Is it safter to use wifi?
[08:14] <indoorcat> safer?
[08:17] <sarnold> safer than what?
[08:20] <indoorcat> wired, same ip address I guess, thought maybe it's harder to hack the ip
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> indoorcat: what has this to do with ubuntu exactly?
[08:21] <indoorcat> what data does ubuntu share? dresk was talking about UPnP in routers
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | indoorcat
[08:22] <indoorcat> dresk was speaking of linux as a router
[08:23] <indoorcat> well this is ubuntu related yesterday my screen flipped upsidedown and rebooted
[08:24] <indoorcat> and now the icon that shows your internet is wired to the ethernet has a questionmark
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> indoorcat: pastebin: sudo lshw -C network && uname -a && lsb_release -a
[08:26] <indoorcat> it listed a bunch of info, do I reboot now?
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> !paste | indoorcat
[08:30] <indoorcat> you want me to screenshot the terminal info?
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> indoorcat: no, pastebin like adviced above please
[08:39] <indoorcat> I don't know if I want my router information to be public
[08:39] <indoorcat> little worried
[08:40] <indoorcat> can i give you the classified version?
[08:44] <Ben64> indoorcat: there's nothing identifying in that info
[08:52] <LucaREz> Hi all
[10:08] <WeblordPepe> gwoah 1142 people
[10:08] <WeblordPepe> exit
[10:09] <WeblordPepe> oops
[10:26] <elias_a> Can 16.04 be upgraded to 18.04 using USB stick?
[10:28] <ramsub07> Hi, there is a process that is locking the dpkg. I can see the respective task by `ps aux | grep -i apt`. However, I am unable to kill that process. The PID keeps increasing by 1 every second. killall doesn't work either. `lsof` command doesn't give any PID of a process locking it either. How do I go about fixing this ?
[10:52] <umuur> hey there
[10:52] <umuur> I'm trying to get rid off ElemenataryOS 5 in order to back vanilla Ubuntu
[10:52] <umuur> is it possible to do that without a usb stick, I know that it is technically possible but is it worth trying?
[11:31] <lalitmee> Hey Guys, I am on Ubuntu 18.04 and I am using external screen with my laptop. So when I press `ALT + TAB` to switch between open windows, switcher doesn't show on the the external monitor. I want to see it on the external screen which is not the primary display. What to do? I have tried all the settings in Tweaks but no luck
[11:38] <Germanonym> Greetings
[11:39] <lalitmee> Germanonym: hey
[11:40] <Germanonym> i have a small problem :/  i want to install hexchat on ubuntu, but iam behind a proxy server. i cant acces the apt install command. is there another way to install it?
[11:42] <lalitmee> Germanonym: I think you can use snap to install hexchat
[11:42] <Germanonym> already tried snap aswell. but i dont have acces to this aswell
[11:42] <lalitmee> Germanonym: sudo apt install snapd     and then sudo snap install hexchat
[11:42] <lalitmee> Germanonym: ohh
[11:43] <lalitmee> then try software center?
[11:43] <Germanonym> also doesnt work
[11:43] <lalitmee> why are you behind a proxy server?
[11:44] <lalitmee> Germanonym: these are all the ways I can think of..
[11:44] <Germanonym> sitting in school right now
[11:44] <lalitmee> ohhh
[12:11] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[12:25] <ramsub07> Hi, there is a process that is locking the dpkg. I can see the respective task by `ps aux | grep -i apt`. However, I am unable to kill that process. The PID keeps increasing by 1 every second. killall doesn't work either. `lsof` command doesn't give any PID of a process locking it either.  At your own risk of course
[12:30] <Ecko_> `ps aux | grep -i apt | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill -9`
[12:30] <Ecko_> or if you are not root: `ps aux | grep -i apt | awk '{print $2}' | sudo xargs kill -9`
[12:30] <Cheez> i would find out what process is spawning them, see what the parent pid is of the ones that are locking it
[12:31] <Ecko_> But ^ this is a better alternative in the first place
[12:32] <BluesKaj> ramsub07,  unatteneded upgrades runs in the background immedaitely after login if any available
[12:32] <BluesKaj> it could be the culprit
[12:42] <ramsub07> BluesKaj, how do I stop them?
[12:43] <ramsub07> Ecko_ thanks that worked!!
[12:44] <ramsub07> apparently, the GUI was trying to install something in the background. I closed it last evening but it apparently didn't shutdown well. Hence this problem
[12:44] <BluesKaj> use gnome system-monitor
[12:44] <Ecko_> Peculiar
[12:45] <mgedmin> ramsub07: can you run pstree -aup|pastebinit and paste the pastebin URL here?
[12:45] <mgedmin> ah, assuming you've got pstree installed
[12:48] <chmd> Anyone using the package fonts-font-awesome? The wifi unicode symbol (:) does show up normally, but the ethernet one (:) does not. Anyone experiencing the same bug?
[12:49] <mgedmin> chmd: I see precisely the inverse, but I don't have fonts-font-awesome installed
[12:50] <chmd> mgedmin: wow, I wonder which font has this symbol as well
[12:51] <chmd> it's supposed to be private to the font (not an official unicode character)
[12:53] <mgedmin> (the ethernet one looks like a crooked rectangle here)
[12:54] <chmd> mgedmin: could you paste the fonts you have installed? (fc-list command) → https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[12:56] <mgedmin> chmd: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P83bpKtVRp/, enjoy
[12:56] <chmd> mgedmin: thanks
[13:55] <eelstrebor> why is it that when i switch from speakers to headphones that i lose voice - i still get the music though - doesn't matter what the program source is
[13:55] <mgedmin> karaoke mode in your headphones?
[13:55] <eelstrebor> doesn't matter what app i'm using either
[13:56] <eelstrebor> realy strange since i get all the audio in the speakers
[14:02] <pragmaticenigma> eelstrebor, what kind of headphones? using the headphone jack? bluetooth?
[14:06] <eelstrebor> pragmaticenigma, headphone jack
[14:07] <eelstrebor> butfulake brand
[14:08] <pragmaticenigma> eelstrebor, try the headphones in another device, if you get the same muddied sound, your headphones are shot. If not, take a bright flashlight and see if there is any lint/dust build up in the headphone jack on the computer
[14:08] <eelstrebor> i tried a headphone set that my son was using and got the same problem
[14:08] <pragmaticenigma> if there is build up... use a toothpick or small non-metalic/non-conductive object to try and clear the debris from the jack
[14:09] <eelstrebor> pragmaticenigma, the music sounds great it's just that there's no voice
[14:09] <pragmaticenigma> It's also possible the jack has broken it's connection with the motherboard (they're not very strong
[14:14] <eelstrebor> i have other computers to test with but i don't have time to do that right now - it's strange that this suddenly happened - and the sound setup has a test and i can hear "front left" and "front right" test voice
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> eelstrebor, are you hearing the front left/front right in both sides at the same time?
[14:17] <eelstrebor> no
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> eelstrebor, then I'm not sure what could be causing the problem. Short of a reboot of the system. Think about what applications you might have installed recently. Think of any config files you might have changed recently too.
[14:23] <toffe> Hi guys
[14:23] <toffe> I have a lenovo which in dmesg shows: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled
[14:24] <toffe> Checking with "watch sensors" it shows that message occurs around 60 degrees
[14:24] <toffe> "sensors" says that high is +100 and crit is +100
[14:24] <toffe> so wondering why it is triggering?
[14:25] <pragmaticenigma> If the motherboard firmware detects it can't spin the fan fast enough, it will also throttle down... you might need to open up the machine and clean out any dust/debris build up
[14:26] <toffe> Should not be a problem its a fresh system
[14:26] <toffe> The fan1 is shown at 13 500RPM right now..
[14:27] <toffe> it is kinda instant also
[14:27] <toffe> it shows throttled then a ms later "CPU0: Package temperature/speed normal"
[14:27] <toffe> [24500.949421] mce: CPU6: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 348)
[14:28] <toffe> [24500.950440] mce: CPU6: Core temperature/speed normal
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> toffe, This might still be an issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thermald/+bug/1797802
[14:32] <toffe> Yeah i also felt it was slughis. I had a L580 beore this (i7 7th gen) and it was much faster.  I also once a while get hdd crash
[14:32] <toffe> comming to work the screen just shows a lot of hdd problems / sector problems.
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> toffe, is this a machine provided to you by your employer?
[14:35] <toffe> pragmaticenigma: yep :)
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> toffe, I would encourage you to take that machine to your IT department. It's really a bad idea to try and fix it yourself. The volunteers here assume that you have an Ubuntu installation using the images provided by Canonical, most companies install customized or tweaked versions to meet the needs of their organizations. They would benefit from knowing you are experiencing these problems.
[14:37] <toffe> pragmaticenigma: ah, nah this is a clean ubuntu install :)
[14:37] <toffe> Got it with windows, reformatted and installed ubuntu.  Reboot time
[14:51] <Ecko_> toffe, what does `cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp` do?
[14:52] <Ecko_> (thermal_zone0 might be called thermal_zone1, 2 etc)
[14:53] <toffe> Ecko_: 54000
[14:53] <toffe> Zone 1 20000
[14:54] <toffe> 0-5 was 54000 20000 37000 47000 50000 49000
[14:54] <Ecko_> Ok, that would be 54 degrees. Kinda normal since most laptops run a little hotter in favor of turning the fans harder
[14:55] <toffe> tried i7z but get a wrmsr:pwrite: operation not permitted
[14:55] <toffe> prolly due to having bios encryption on hdd (?)
[14:55] <toffe> True Frequency (without accounting Turbo) 1991 MHz
[14:55] <toffe> this shows above that error though.
[14:57] <toffe>           product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz
[14:57] <toffe> sounds about correct with this :P
[14:58] <toffe>  lscpu: CPU MHz:             700.003
[14:58] <toffe> that .. is not a number I like so much
[14:59] <mgedmin> dynamic frequency scaling
[14:59] <Ecko_> ^
[14:59] <toffe> Yeah, started a compile task, it went up to 2200
[14:59] <toffe> peaked at 3000 once
[14:59] <Ecko_> No need to run a cpu at full blast when not needed, especially on a laptop with limited battery life
[15:00] <toffe> My next computer is most likely a desktop.. Build it myself instead of those premade :P
[15:00] <toffe> But I just got this so want to outlive it a bit more.. Oh well
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> lets stick to ubuntu issues please
[15:01] <toffe> lotuspsychje: arent we?
[15:01] <toffe> the issue is cpu overheat on my ubuntu machine :D
[15:02] <toffe> which led to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thermald/+bug/1797802
[15:02] <toffe> which led to cpu frequency check.
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> toffe: lenovo, did you try bios update to latest?
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> toffe: and wich ubuntu version & kernel are you experiencing this?
[15:04] <toffe> Not done the last couple months.. maybe I can try that
[15:04] <toffe> 5.0.0-32-generic
[15:04] <toffe> Release:	19.04
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic disco
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> toffe: if bios update does not fix, try another kernel perhaps as a test?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> toffe: compare with LTS for example, or with a latest !mainline kernel
[15:07] <toffe> Yeah Will try to do that tomorrow
[15:07] <toffe> 16:07, 7 minutes overtime :D
[15:08] <toffe> gotta run! thanks for the tip lotus. Have a great evening
[15:17] <pjs> Hey all.. iptables question. For some, I have a box on the local network that is a gateway for a special wifi network. eth0 is <IP_ADDRESS>/24 and wlan0 is <IP_ADDRESS>/24. For some reason I can't ssh into the box from 192.168.1.x network but I can from .220.x network. This used to work fine, and afaik, nothing has changed. Here are the routes and iptables rules: http://dpaste.com/003NSPM
[15:17] <pjs> Any ideas?
[15:19] <pragmaticenigma> pjs, Try ##networking or ##linux... raspberry pi isn't something that this channel supports
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> unless I missing something
[15:23] <pjs> pragmaticenigma: ok the question isn't specific to a pi but sure, another channel I suppose
[15:44] <rapidwave> I'm trying to run a make and it tells me libcbase is missing
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> rapidwave: we dont really support compiling as support, whats the package you are trying to make? you dont find it on the repos/snaps?
[15:52] <rapidwave> Nah, it's a package of tools offered as source from a developer website
[15:53] <rapidwave> Oh....the libcbase is not in repo
[15:53] <rapidwave> Or I cannot find it at least.
[15:54] <rapidwave> It's possible the configure script is too old...maybe I can just throw a newer one into the directory?
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> rapidwave, as lotuspsychje already mentioned... this channel focuses on the packages provided through the Ubuntu software repository. If you are compiling from source, you will need to reach out to the developers of the code for assistance. Also, if you are desiring a more recent application than what is available, take a look and see if there is a snap or flatpak already avaialable.
[16:10] <deadrom> hi
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> welcome deadrom
[16:12] <deadrom> when resuming 18.04 on a Dell M4800 on a dock the dock activates the ports a bit late and so every resume the system re-discovers everything: usb devices, displays. can I prevent that somehow?
[16:12] <rapidwave> libcbase sound more like a package that is missing, it is not part of the downloaded tools
[16:13] <cousteau> Hi, I remember there used to be an option to set "emblems" on folders, but I can't find it.  Was it removed, do I need to install something, or am I looking at the wrong places?
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> popey: deadrom issue related to that bug you found?
[16:14] <cousteau> ...nvm it seems to have been removed in gnome 3 and there is a package to restore that
[16:14] <deadrom> lotuspsychje: bug?
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: can you check if you have symptons of bug #1849955
[16:28] <deadrom> lotuspsychje: not that I know. I never undock it. I use it as a desktop PC for power consumption reasons.
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: ah you just have it when resuming?
[16:30] <deadrom> lotuspsychje: yup.
[17:10] <revolutionary> hi all. i installed my ubuntu default LUKS options and how can i remove this and re-make with custom options like --iter-time and --use-urandom?
[17:10] <revolutionary> or is there any way to change this without remove?
[17:16] <s10gopal> !ping
[17:19] <pragmaticenigma> revolutionary, to the best of my knowledge, you would likely (and have an easier time) starting from scratch
[17:19] <lordcirth_> revolutionary, --use-urandom is only used when generating the master key, which cannot be changed. And I don't know why you'd want to set that after the fact.
[17:19] <lordcirth_> revolutionary, But you can set --iter-time by making a new keyslot with it, then removing the old one.
[17:20] <pragmaticenigma> revolutionary, the other option would be to resize the volume, smaller, make a new LUKS volume with the desired settings and copy your data there... I don't know how easily this can be done
[17:20] <revolutionary> lordcirth_ i don't want to start from the scratch. i just want to add some options like --iter-time and i want to create my key with --use-urandom, like
[17:21] <revolutionary> i just want to change my current LUKS scheme with adding some options. Is there any way to change this?
[17:32] <pragmaticenigma> revolutionary, anything you change would only affect the header of the encrypted volume. What concerns do you have?
[17:33] <revolutionary> i have concerns about security level
[17:33] <revolutionary> for example i would want to change --iter-time
[17:34] <pragmaticenigma> revolutionary, this might help you: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/101343/how-to-change-the-hash-spec-and-iter-time-of-an-existing-dm-crypt-luks-device
[18:11] <IGnorAND> Hi, I have a question about resolvconf
[18:11] <IGnorAND> Someone asked me to edit the DNS.
[18:12] <IGnorAND> the /etc/resolv.conf indicates that resolvconf generates the file
[18:13] <IGnorAND> in the man page I see resolvconf -a IFACE.PROG where IFACE.PROG. What should I place for PROG for dns?
[18:14] <IGnorAND> resolv.conf -a eth0.ifup I assume
[18:15] <IGnorAND> I then enter lines like nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:15] <pragmaticenigma> IGnorAND, verions of Ubuntu... latest versions do not use resolv.conf
[18:15] <IGnorAND> how do I close/save it?
[18:15] <IGnorAND> pragmaticenigma: don't laugh - 14.04
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> 14.04 reached EOL... it's no longer supported in the Ubuntu channels.
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> !trusty | IGnorAND
[18:17] <IGnorAND> Thanks, I'll go tell them that the dns cannot be fixed
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> IGnorAND, It's not so much that it can't be fixed... it's the fact that system is so old that it is extremely vulnerable to attacks on the internet
[18:18] <IGnorAND> pragmaticenigma: it's not an online system
[18:18] <IGnorAND> and thanks for pointing it out, but I knew that
[18:19] <pragmaticenigma> It's not online, yet needs DNS settings... that makes no sense
[18:21] <IGnorAND> pragmaticenigma: it needs a private dns
[18:22] <IGnorAND> pragmaticenigma: as you said, there is no support in the channel. Why do you even care if it makes sense.
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> IGnorAND: please no debates in this channel, focus on ubuntu issues
[18:25] <dckusr> why doesn't ubuntu provide an "opencv-without-gui" package ?
[18:25] <dckusr> If i intall in an empty ubuntu container, the package "opencv-pyhton" it adds 700MB to the container size
[18:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> How do I know if my gpu is running?
[18:31] <The_LoudSpeaker> I forgot the command 😅
[18:31] <dckusr> what do you mean gpu is running?
[18:31] <The_LoudSpeaker> If the display is using my gpu or not? Or is it detected correctly
[18:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also if the drivers are Installed.
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> dckusr, The list of dependencies are here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/python3-opencv ... I'm not seeing anything GUI specific in there
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: sudo lshw -C video
[18:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> lotuspsychje: Thanks!
[18:35] <dckusr> pragmaticenigma: look better, it depends on opencv-highgui which needs libgtk+ which needs all of X
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> ah, so it does dckusr ... there are ways to block the dependency... though I'm not fmailiar with them personally
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> dckusr, There are these approaches: https://serverfault.com/a/392205
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> "apt-get --nodeps" which means you have to manually list all the packages you do need. -or- download the primary package and run it with "dpkg --ignore-depends=<packagetoignore>"
[18:39] <dckusr> yeah, but since most people who use opencv dont need the small gui aspect, it's a shame it's there isnt such
[18:39] <dckusr> especially on days like docker where it adds 700MB
[18:40] <dckusr> and people complaint about bloated docker images
[18:40] <sarnold> dckusr: the equivs package can help you build a fake package to satisfy dependencies that you don't need
[18:40] <sarnold> dckusr: but please do file a bug report about this to ask for the dependency to be downgraded to a recommends
[18:41] <dckusr> I think that will be a big issue, as people who want GUI must be used to this workflow (and I dont know if this really is optional or opencv will bork if it doesnt exist)
[18:41] <dckusr> would be nice to just have another package for no gui
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> dckusr, packages are built and dependencies are set to meet the needs of the largest audience. When you get into specific use cases such as yours, it's up to the user to determine how you want to build and configure the application.
[18:42] <TJ-> Got a weird issue with 19.10 - after install, v5.3 kernels suffer USB disconnects every time a key is pressed on USB keyboard from initramfs onwards.
[18:43] <sarnold> whaaaaaaat
[18:43] <dckusr> also, why doesn't ubuntu fix on 16.04 LTS the problem, that nvidia drivers + cryptdrive = can't use computer ?
[18:43] <dckusr> there are tons of bug reports on it, yesterday it took me 2 HOURS to bypass this bug
[18:43] <dckusr> while preping for a presentation :(
[18:44] <dckusr> i mean it's not some small usecase, encrpyting hard disk and using nvidia...
[18:44] <sarnold> dckusr: what bug number?
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: didnt see that before, what machine brand is that?
[18:44] <TJ-> dckusr: encrypting and nvidia have no relationship - do you mean UEFI Secure Boot and nvidia propriatry modules not being signed?
[18:45] <TJ-> lotuspsychje:  My regular Asus T300CHI - just installed 19.10 alongside 18.04. Keyboard works fine in firmware and in GRUB but it fails s soon as initramfs is reached ... each time a key is pressed the device disconnects and reconnects
[18:46] <TJ-> Worked fine for the installer too
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> weird one
[18:46] <TJ-> As a result it has broken the ability to do a LUKS unlock from initramfs
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: got a dmesg from that?
[18:47] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: there's nothing to see and no... since it cannot get past initramfs
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[18:47] <ioria> TJ-, if kernel related, you can try the -proposed <IP_ADDRESS>.24
[18:47] <ioria> !info linux-generic eoan-proposed
[18:48] <gebbione> anyone knows devices and locations application process name? when i ps aux i cannot identify anything closely matching it
[18:48] <sarnold> gebbione: 'it'?
[18:49] <TJ-> There's quite a few regressions I'm discovering; e.g. when tapping Esc key to get the GRUB menu (and needing to tap repeatedly... once the menu shows if another tap gets through it escapes the menu and drops you at the command prompt after clearing the screen... didn't do that previously
[18:49] <dckusr> TJ-: nop, I mean what I said
[18:49] <dckusr> There is a bug when you use the gui spalsh screen , and you have nvidia drivers installed, then it asks for passwords, but typing it, putis it in the wrong terminal
[18:49] <dckusr> and you can't login
[18:49] <dckusr> let me find you some bug reports
[18:49] <gebbione> sarnold "Devices & Locations"
[18:50] <dckusr> TJ- https://askubuntu.com/questions/867643/ubuntu-16-04-nvidia-driver-encrypted-harddrive-blank-screen
[18:50] <dckusr> TJ- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1721988
[18:51] <dckusr> it seems that it was fixed in 18.04, but tons of people still use 16.04
[18:51] <dckusr> the "fix" is to disable the gui splash screen on boot (very hard to do, and you need recovery mode)
[18:52] <dckusr> sarnold those are the reports
[18:52] <TJ-> dckusr:  right, I recall that, I worked on it. It's a bug in plymouth which handles user input during boot. The solution is to get rid of the dumbed-down 'splash' screen so it doesn't change VTs
[18:52] <dckusr> it took me 2 hours, cause 1.9 hours i was googling in vain to figure out what the issue is
[18:53] <dckusr> tj-: yeah, i think for 99% of the people, it means nothing
[18:53] <dckusr> TJ- if it was fixed in 18.04 cant it be back ported to 16.04 ?
[18:54] <gebbione> oh it looks like it is called baobab
[18:55] <dckusr> also another nice bug, if you don't install in 16.04 the HWE, trying to install new nvidia-drivers borks your system as well :(
[18:57] <TJ-> dckusr: I don't recall now it was a long time ago, but I think there was some interaction either with the vt_handoff and/or the VT mode
[19:04] <pi0> how do you resolve dnsleak on ubuntu 18.04
[19:08] <pi0> does anyone here use dnscrypt
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> pi0, DNSLeak is a term used in conjunction with VPN services. That requires the VPN providers help to resolve. What exactly is your issue you're experiencing. Plase be specific
[19:11] <sarnold> pi0: hopefully useful to you https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1754671
[19:14] <Sven_vB> hi! please help me connect my Xenial netbook to my cable ethernet. my netbook has a USB ethernet adapter that shows up as enx… + hex MAC. when I use my yellow LAN cable to connect enx with my Archer D20 wifi "router", everything works, but in the wrong location. so my Archer has a grey cable to port 1 of a noname "5 Poer 10/100 Mbps Fast Ethernet Switch". switch slot 4 has a white cable to a PC, that connection works. the switch'
[19:14] <Sven_vB> s "LNK" LEDs light up for slot 1 and 4. however, when I unplug the white cable and instead plug the yellow cable with enx, my netbook's syslog does not see a link change, and the switch LNK LED 4 stays dark. how to debug?
[19:14] <pi0> pragmaticenigma: i installed openvpn and connected to a provider, i tested my system on a ipleak site and noticed my isp was listed even after i connected to vpn
[19:15] <Sven_vB> s:Poer:Port:
[19:15] <pi0> sarnold: thank you i will check this out
[19:16] <pi0> sarnold: looks pretty involved i wish i knew openvpn better, not sure how to split tunneling
[19:16] <sarnold> Sven_vB: wild guesses: you've got crossover cables or you need crossover cables or you're not using uplink ports properly. the fastest way out of this is to buy a gigabit switch instead, which ought to be able to adapt
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> pi0, what sarnold posted may not be required
[19:18] <pi0> does this mean i need to run dnscrypt
[19:18] <pi0> there are so many work arounds not sure which is the least package installtion method
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> pi0, No, dnscrypt is something entirely unrelated to what you're trying to solve
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> pi0, There will be no packages to install
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> I just need a moment to find the documentation... there is a setting you set in your OpenVPN client config file that forces all traffic, including DNS through the VPN tunnel
[19:20] <phocking> i got way far out in the weeds
[19:20] <Sven_vB> sarnold, I'd like to reuse my existing hardware if possible, for love of nature. did you mean the yellow cable or are the others relevant as well?
[19:20] <phocking> if it was aws/azure/gcp i would use terraform, but this has to go on hyper-v and i figured ansible would be more work/abstraction than just creating the install iso and powershell to create the vm
[19:20] <pi0> ah perfect!
[19:20] <phocking> im trying to create an unattended ubuntu install
[19:20] <sarnold> Sven_vB: colors mean nothing
[19:20] <phocking> https://askubuntu.com/questions/122505/how-do-i-create-a-completely-unattended-install-of-ubuntu
[19:20] <phocking> and the kernel panics because it cant mount the root filesystem
[19:20] <sarnold> Sven_vB: people will often buy a crossover cable in a contrasting colour, but if you don't know what you've got, then you're going to have a very difficult time finding a solution that works
[19:20] <phocking> i've been following this and made a lot of progress until i realized this shit from 2012\
[19:21] <Sven_vB> sarnold, I just used them as a shortcut to identify which ones I tested on which link, yellow was the one between enx and the switch.
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> pi0, uncomment the line in your openvpn config file "#redirect-gateway def1" to "redirect-gateway def1"
[19:22] <Sven_vB> sarnold, good point. I'll check the pinout whether it's crossed. thanks for that reminder!
[19:22] <pragmaticenigma> pi0, if that doesn't do the trick, you may have to manually add entries for your VPN provider's DNS servers by adding lines similar to: "dhcp-option DNS DNS_IP_ADDRESS" replacing the DNS_IP_ADDRESS" with the IP address provided to you by your VPN provider
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> pi0, beyond that, you will need to contact your VPN providers support line for assistance
[19:23] <pi0> pragmaticenigma: is that line does not exist just add it?
[19:24] <pi0> also can you share that link?
[19:24] <ak47s> Hi guys. I've got a problem with shortcuts on kubuntu 18.04. I set up hotkey for changing language layout by ctrl+shift, since this moment another shortcuts that contains ctrl+shift+* doesn't work. What the best way to fix it? I found something about this problem, but these solves are too old
[19:24] <dckusr> TJ- I see, welp, tough luck for many users :(  I was lucky and figured it out
[19:24] <pragmaticenigma> pi0, yes, you can just add it
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> pi0, It wasn't a link... it's in the inline documentation of the client config file that I'm using for my VPN provider
[19:25] <pi0> oh i see
[19:25] <pi0> thank you going to try it
[19:25] <pi0> brb
[19:25] <Sven_vB> sarnold, would it be important to know the crossed-ness of the cable between switch and archer as well?
[19:26] <sarnold> Sven_vB: yeah; that'd determine if you use the uplink port on neither, one, or both, switches
[19:26] <Sven_vB> sarnold, ok, thanks again! :)
[19:27] <Daemoen> hrm,  james page isnt in today,  drat.
[19:47] <c0sm0s888> newbi for linux, want to learn everything about it, where should i start?
[19:47] <dckusr> youtube videos ?
[19:49] <ozzzo> c0sm0s888: Go to this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/index.html
[19:49] <ozzzo> follow the install guide for your architecture
[19:49] <c0sm0s888> Being watching them all the time, i learn pretty quick when its hands on.
[19:50] <sarnold> c0sm0s888: read your error messages and log files when things don't work out
[19:50] <phocking> lol
[19:51] <dckusr> isn't there is an script which auto opens stackovreflow and searchs last error in a log file ?
[19:51] <dckusr> find_me_a_fix.sh /var/log/syslog
[19:55] <tomreyn> unfortunately many youtube video videos offer rather bad advice, i'd recommend following the official documentation whereever possible instead
[19:55] <tomreyn> !man
[19:55] <pragmaticenigma> c0sm0s888, A good place to start is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/
[19:56] <c0sm0s888> thank you all
[19:58] <tomreyn> you're welcome. and feel free to come back here and ask when you can't find an answer elsewhere.
[19:58] <c0sm0s888> Another thing i was playing with my old lap top and was trying to install linux on it, but during install i got error " can not make ext4  root partition".
[19:58] <c0sm0s888> is it something with HD or its fixable?
[19:59] <c0sm0s888> prob time to recycle that machine.
[20:00] <tomreyn> this is difficult to tell without more context. did you retain the installation log files from /var/log/installer ?
[20:00] <tomreyn> !smart | c0sm0s888
[20:02] <tomreyn> to view the most critical errors from your system log, you can use      journalctl -b0 -p err      in a terminal - this would point out disk i/o errors in case of defective storage media, for example,
[20:27] <zuloyd> Hi!
[20:30] <c0sm0s888> tomreyn - I was trying to install kali on empty HD
[20:31] <c0sm0s888> hi zuloyd
[20:34] <OerHeks> .. kali .. is not ubuntu, and should not be installed on hdd
[20:34] <OerHeks> seek support in the kali channels, perhaps?
[20:34] <saor> "and should not be installed on hdd" Care to elaborate?
[20:36] <c0sm0s888> OerHeks where should it be install to? Nowhere, run Live CD?
[20:36] <OerHeks> kali is just a pentesting iso, not a regular desktop
[20:37] <c0sm0s888> no one talks in #kali
[20:38] <pragmaticenigma> !kali | c0sm0s888
[20:38] <c0sm0s888> I know
[20:39] <pragmaticenigma> c0sm0s888, That is to say, Kali is not a topic for this channel. Kali and Ubuntu are very different in how they're developed and processes do not translate between the two. Just because no one is talking in #kali-linux doesn't mean that it is okay to ask here. If you want a general linux chat, see ##linux
[20:41] <c0sm0s888> When I try to install UBUNTU on my old laptop i get message can not create ext4 partition, my HD being formated and absolutely empty?
[20:42] <c0sm0s888> pragmaticenigma?
[20:44] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | c0sm0s888
[20:46] <c0sm0s888> You think I didnt try to search...lol
[20:47] <c0sm0s888> Its been weeks, I spend hours and hours searching, thought pros will know better
[20:49] <pragmaticenigma> c0sm0s888, We are volunteers here, please mind the tone of your messages
[20:50] <OerHeks> c0sm0s888, start in live mode, check the disk with disks utility or s.m.a.r.t. to see what is wrong
[20:50] <OerHeks> we can ask you to post a screenshot, but that would be kali :D
[20:51] <saor> OerHeks: im confused why you shouldnt install kali on bare metal
[20:52] <pragmaticenigma> saor, That's not a topic for this channel
[20:52] <saor> Sure, i'm just curious why they think kali should not be installed on hdd
[20:53] <saor> It's a valid question
[20:53] <pragmaticenigma> saor, Again, this is an Ubuntu support chat... not a discussion channel. If you want to ask about it, try #ubuntu-offtopic #kali-linux or ##linux
[20:53] <c0sm0s888> pragma, no one talks anyway....whats wrong????????
[20:54] <c0sm0s888> no one flooding the chan
[20:54] <saor> pragma just lives with a stick up their ass
[20:54] <pragmaticenigma> saor, Keep it family friendly...
[20:54] <saor> thanks for making my point
[20:55] <pragmaticenigma> saor, I'm doing nothing more than reminding you that this channel has a code of conduct and has a specific topic in mind. If you need a reminder
[20:55] <c0sm0s888> I had it installed on HDD b4
[20:55] <pragmaticenigma> !coc | saor
[20:55] <c0sm0s888> and it ws fine
[20:55] <saor> I have a dedicated kali laptop
[20:55] <saor> Thats all it does is run kali
[20:56] <c0sm0s888> thats what i want
[20:56] <tomreyn> c0sm0s888: so did you inspect your systemd journal while running ubuntu on your old laptop then (see the command i posted before)? did you inspect the smartctl output?
[20:56] <c0sm0s888> and learn on it
[20:56] <saor> My point was really to point out bad advise, which is in the best interests of the channel all i asked was for them to elaborate.
[20:56] <dax> Everyone talking about things that aren't *Ubuntu* *support*, stop doing that now, thanks.
[20:57] <c0sm0s888> yeah, HDD had no errors, HD is fine
[20:57] <c0sm0s888> but would not make ext4 partition
[20:57] <c0sm0s888> or ext3
[20:58] <c0sm0s888> either
[20:58] <tomreyn> c0sm0s888: then i suggest you try installing using the latest installer for the ubuntu target release again and gather and keep the logs when it fails to create the filesystem.
[20:59] <tomreyn> if this was a desktop installation you can use     ubuntu-bug ubiquity     to have those logs gathered and uploaded to the bug reporting system automatically
[20:59] <c0sm0s888> I got 18.04 beaver on the stick
[21:00] <tomreyn> the latest installer would be ubuntu 18.04.3
[21:01] <tomreyn> i recommend you also create a screenshot of the message where the installation fails
[21:02] <tomreyn> and make sure your downloaded and written (to the installer media) iso file is complete / unmodified
[21:03] <c0sm0s888> Thank you
[21:03] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[21:20] <kinesis> How do I fix this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mzrCTRhDRm/
[21:21] <kinesis> ?
[21:23] <sarnold> kinesis: there'll be a postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/fahclient.postinst
[21:23] <tomreyn> kinesis: dpkg --configure fahclient     (as root) failed. you need to find out why it failed (see logs or run it manually)
[21:23] <sarnold> kinesis: I suspect you can get past this by editing that script and commenting out most or all of it
[21:23] <sarnold> kinesis: .. then try again
[21:24] <sarnold> I suspect that will then execute the version with your changes and get you past this step
[21:25] <kinesis> so i broke ubuntu
[21:25] <Siamaster> I'm trying to update my linux kernel and I notice there are different builds for different hardwares. How do I know which hardware I have?
[21:26] <sarnold> kinesis: more like, the fah folks probably haven't updated their package in a while..
[21:26] <kinesis> update-rc.d: error: no runlevel symlinks to modify, aborting!
[21:26] <kinesis> i get that
[21:26] <kinesis> sudo /var/lib/dpkg/info/fahclient.postinst configure # fromo this
[21:26] <TJ-> Siamaster:  for bare metal, the only options are -generic or -lowlatency
[21:27] <Siamaster> TJ- bare metal?
[21:27] <TJ-> Siamaster:  no a virtual machine
[21:27] <TJ-> s/no/not/
[21:28] <Siamaster> Hmm, I'm not following
[21:28] <Siamaster> how do you suggest I update my kernel to latest stable?
[21:29] <pragmaticenigma> Siamaster, bare metal is a term to mean that your OS is installed on physical hardware instead of virtualized in a virtual machine
[21:29] <TJ-> Siamaster: "apt update && apt upgrade" keeps it up to date
[21:29] <gebbione> nautilus gets stuck, while doing file transfer on a network share, it works for a while but then something causes the problem. I usually kill it and when i reopen it the network share looks like is still mounted but I cannot access it when i click on it. Has anyone got any idea what i need to do or what i can try to restart?
[21:30] <Siamaster> TJ- hmm, I have already tried that
[21:30] <Siamaster> I will try again now
[21:30] <pragmaticenigma> Siamaster, explain exactly what it is you're trying to achieve... it's not clear why you have a need to upgrade your kernel.... it would also help to know that version of Ubuntu you are running
[21:31] <Siamaster> My computer freezes when I try to copy files. Or actually, I've even ran some dd command that only reads from my some drive to reproduce that bug. Then when I log in using an older kernel version through grub, the problem is gone.
[21:32] <Siamaster> So I'm trying to update the kernel in order to get rid of this issue
[21:32] <lordcirth_> Siamaster, what kernel do you currently have this problem on?
[21:32] <Siamaster> 5.0.0-32-generic
[21:32] <lordcirth_> And -31 works?
[21:33] <Siamaster> I tried 4 something
[21:33] <lordcirth_> 5.0.0-32 does have a bug with CephFS, but I doubt you are using Ceph?
[21:33] <Siamaster> I doubt that too
[21:33] <Siamaster> I don't know what it is
[21:33] <lordcirth_> Then you aren't, yeah
[21:36] <Siamaster> yeah, kernel not updated after apt upgrade
[21:36] <lordcirth_> No, -32 is the newest in the repos for 5.0.0
[21:36] <Siamaster> aha
[21:37] <lordcirth_> Siamaster, what Ubuntu version are you on?
[21:37] <Siamaster> 18.04.03
[21:37] <Siamaster> 18.04.3 LTs
[21:38] <lordcirth_> Siamaster, ok, well, you could try installing "linux-generic-hwe-18.04-edge" which is 5.3
[21:38] <lordcirth_> But it's called "edge" for a reason
[21:39] <geard> Hello all, I connect to a VPN(anyconnect if it matters) i get the following error "/etc/resolveconf/update.d/libc: Warning: /etc/resolve.conf is not a symbolic link to /run/resolveconf/resovl.conf" I currently just copy over the /run/ file to get my DNS resolution sorted for working on assets inside the vpn. I am curious what my options are here though?
[21:39] <Siamaster> ok. How do you suggest I do that?
[21:40] <lordcirth_> Siamaster, the name I gave is the package.
[21:40] <Siamaster> aha
[21:40] <Siamaster> so sudo apt install?
[21:41] <lordcirth_> Yes. And if that breaks something, then in your grub menu you can choose "advanced" and choose the 5.0.0 kernel again.
[21:41] <Siamaster> Ok, thanks. I'm installing now
[21:41] <pragmaticenigma> Siamaster, question, is there a particular need for running the HWE kernels?
[21:42] <Siamaster> I can't scroll up there now but I explained it a bit earlier
[21:42] <lordcirth_> HWE is default in newer ISOs anyway
[21:42] <Siamaster> or well no
[21:42] <Siamaster> any kernel that would remove that issue will make me happy
[21:43] <Siamaster> installed, brb restarting
[21:45] <pragmaticenigma> lordcirth_, wasn't aware that was the case in 18.04
[21:47] <lordcirth_> pragmaticenigma, people expect the standard ISO to work on their hardware. So point releases generally come with HWE once it's out
[21:47] <pragmaticenigma> really? interesting
[21:48] <lordcirth_> For the live ISOs, anyway. Not all of them, I think
[21:48] <qwebirc95665> Hello, i have a problem with a custom shortcut => cd /home/user/Desktop && ./input.sh   it works in the terminal, but not as shortcut
[21:48] <qwebirc95665> has anyone a idea why and how to fix it?
[21:49] <lordcirth_> qwebirc95665, I don't think shortcuts open shells, they just run a command. So you couldn't use '&&' and two commands
[21:50] <geard> lordcirth_: with the HWE not included in the live ISOs which would you recommend? I tend to always user the network installers.
[21:50] <lordcirth_> qwebirc95665, try inserting "sh -c 'cd /home/user/Desktop && ./input.sh' "
[21:50] <qwebirc95665> how can i execute a sh script in 1 command?
[21:50] <lordcirth_> Alternatively, edit input.sh to start with the 'cd'
[21:51] <jeremy31> qwebirc95665: put the input.sh in the /home and not on desktop
[21:52] <qwebirc95665> oh thanks now it works
[21:53] <dunga> Tried upgrading Ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04 and got stuck in this error where glib requires kernel 3.2 or higher and kernel 3.2 requires newer glibc.  The actual error message:"This version of the GNU libc requires kernel version 3.2 or later. Please upgrade your kernel before installing glibc."Any ideas how I can fix this?
[21:53] <Siamaster> ok, the problem is not gone
[21:53] <Siamaster> and I can't log in to grub anymore
[21:53] <Siamaster> I don't know how I got into grub last time, it was because I had my ubuntu USB stick plugged
[21:54] <Siamaster> but I also have problem with booting from USB
[21:54] <almostdvs> I just got a headache trying to configure passwordless sudo and it turns out that it was not applying to my user because it wasn't at the _end_ of /etc/sudoers
[21:54] <Siamaster> whenever the USB loads, my screen goes off
[21:54] <Siamaster> I don't know how to fix that either
[21:54] <pragmaticenigma> dunga, did you do a "apt full-upgrade" before attempting to upgrade the distro?
[21:54] <almostdvs> I've never experienced this unless a later command overrides a previous command.  Why would my modification care where in the file it is?
[21:55] <pragmaticenigma> dunga, that is "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[21:55] <pragmaticenigma> almostdvs, Are you editing via the "visudo" command?
[21:56] <almostdvs> no
[21:56] <dunga> pragmaticenigma, I did full-upgrade before trying to release upgrade.
[21:56] <almostdvs> even though it says vi it uses nano and I cannot be bothered by peasant editors
[21:57] <dunga> any other install commands (dpkg -i, apt install -f, apt full-upgrade) give an error message
[21:57] <Siamaster> so it's probably not the kernel that is the problem either
[21:57] <pragmaticenigma> almostdvs, visudo isn't just the editor... it triggers and commits the changes to the system... otherwise the new settings will not take immediate effect
[21:57] <lordcirth_> almostdvs, EDITOR=vi visudo
[21:57] <Siamaster> I have a shitty ubuntu installation I think
[21:57] <Siamaster> but I don't know why
[21:58] <almostdvs> pragmaticenigma: This survived reboots
[22:51] <pi0> pragmaticenigma: thanks for the suggestion which vpn provider do you use
[22:51] <pi0> perhaps i should change mine
[22:55] <saor> Mullvad is deec
[22:56] <lordcirth_> #ubuntu-offtopic for VPN recommendations
[23:02] <DEL> anybody here good with BSD?
[23:03] <jeremy31> DEL: This is ubuntu support not BSD
[23:03] <BluesKaj> ask in #bsd, this is ubuntu
[23:04] <dax> or the channel for your particular BSD, e.g. #freebsd or #openbsd
[23:05] <DEL> my apologies, I didn't specify correctly. I meant UbuntuBSD
[23:05] <DEL> https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntubsd/
[23:05] <pragmaticenigma> DEL, it is still not supported here... only official Ubuntu flavors are on topic here
[23:05] <dax> not supported here, since it isn't an official flavor. it's also dead since 2016
[23:06] <dax> there's an #ubuntubsd channel but it's basically empty
[23:06] <DEL> what a shame. welp back to unix. the master race
[23:09] <Dresk> sarnold: A project to replicate UPnP and NAT-PMP behavior is available in Linux, and as a package for most distros (including Ubuntu), known as miniupnpd, http://miniupnp.free.fr/
[23:40] <sarnold> Dresk: oh cool! I thought miniupnp was strictly client-side


[16:01] <stokachu> o/
[16:01] <jodh> \o
[16:02] <cjwatson> hi
[16:02] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
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[16:03] <cjwatson> #topic lightning round
[16:03] <cjwatson> $ echo $(shuf -e barry bdmurray cjwatson ev doko ogra_ jodh stgraber xnox)
[16:03] <cjwatson> stgraber jodh bdmurray cjwatson ev doko ogra_ xnox barry
[16:03] <stokachu> aww
[16:04] <cjwatson> oh DAMNIT
[16:04] <cjwatson> sorry, I always go down the directory from Steve
[16:04] <cjwatson> and as a result I always miss you :-(
[16:04] <cjwatson> stokachu: go first, then :-)
[16:04] <stokachu> lol its cool
[16:04] <stokachu> ok
[16:04] <stokachu> - sick last week been catching up on internal bugs
[16:04] <stokachu> - finished packaging firefox esr for certain interested parties
[16:04] <stokachu> - got accepted into UCD, next stop Core-dev
[16:04] <stokachu> - reviewing merge/sync documentation both traditional way and UDD
[16:04] <stokachu> - working on sosreport plugins for Debian/Ubuntu https://github.com/sosreport/sosreport
[16:04] <stokachu> done
[16:07] <cjwatson> perhaps stgraber isn't around
[16:07] <cjwatson> jodh: ?
[16:07] <stgraber> I'm, sorry
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Upstart
[16:07] <stgraber>   - Tested stateful re-exec of the user session daemon
[16:07] <stgraber>   - Initial implementation of the UPSTART_SESSION environment variable to access the session daemon when DBus isn't around
[16:07] <cjwatson> aha
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Container
[16:07] <stgraber>   - Code reviews.
[16:07] <stgraber>   - Quite a lot of work on bionic support, sent first version of the patchset, then did a lot of changes and got the v2 merged an hour ago.
[16:07] <stgraber>   - Started porting libcap to bionic so we can have a bionic build of LXC drop the usual capabilities and stop causing the host to reboot on shutdown/reboot of the container.
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Other
[16:07] <stgraber>   - Some follow-up on a weird biosdevname issue.
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Networking
[16:07] <stgraber>   - Discussed ifupdown a bit with Andrew. Some changes in the HG branch may cause some problems on Ubuntu, will have to keep watching.
[16:07] <stgraber>  - TODO
[16:07] <stgraber>   - Get my upstart branch in shape for review.
[16:07] <stgraber>   - Finish porting libcap to bionic.
[16:07] <stgraber>   - Go through the isc-dhcp and resolvconf bugs.
[16:07] <stgraber>   - Try to apply redhat's fiberchannel patchset to our isc-dhcp.
[16:07] <stgraber> (DONE)
[16:08] <jodh> * Upstart:
[16:08] <jodh>   - Fixed tty-serial.conf (bug 702574), soon to be added to raring branch.
[16:08] <jodh>   - Fixed bug 881885 and raised MP.
[16:08] <jodh>   - Investigating bug 1096531.
[16:08] <jodh>   - Finished init and initctl code to manipulate job environments (see
[16:08] <jodh> * TODO:
[16:08] <jodh>   - write tests for job environment manipulation APIs.
[16:08] <jodh> ⏧
[16:08] <bdmurray> tested fix for bug 1072828
[16:08] <bdmurray> tested bug 915626 regarding usb-creator crashes
[16:08] <bdmurray> SRU verification of bug 1071388
[16:08] <bdmurray> SRU verification of apport in precise
[16:09] <bdmurray> modified pending-sru report to show date of last comment as it is easier to remember dates than comments
[16:09] <bdmurray> irc discussion with evan and mpt regarding rank of errors
[16:09] <bdmurray> worked on source package rank sorting issue in errors
[16:09] <bdmurray> worked on subscribed packages view for errors in the cloud
[16:09] <jodh> oops - that 'see' in my report should refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions#Core
[16:09] <bdmurray> wrote pycassa code to get oops count on a weekly basis for Ubuntu 12.10
[16:09] <bdmurray> subscribed foundations-bugs to libsemanage and ustr packages
[16:10] <bdmurray> ⁂ done
[16:10] <cjwatson> GRUB: Pushed some patches to Debian; converted to GCC 4.7; merged back into Ubuntu.
[16:10] <cjwatson> 12.04.2:
[16:10] <cjwatson>  - Discussion of work needed for xorg enablement stack.  Need to get moving on this in the coming week.
[16:10] <cjwatson>  - Uploaded djview4 and grub2 SRUs.
[16:10] <cjwatson>  - Fixed sawfish bug 1083260 for precise/quantal/raring at a friend's request.
[16:10] <cjwatson>  - Fixed Chinese edition image build failures.
[16:10] <cjwatson> Cross-building: Fixed patch, xz-utils, kmod, and hopefully xterm.
[16:10] <cjwatson> Lots of merges and random build/upgrade fixes.
[16:10] <cjwatson> Caught up on archive removals a bit.
[16:10] <cjwatson> Sorted out most of the tail-end of the opencv transition by way of a messy gluegen2/armhf build fix.  Need to do something similar to libjogl2-java.
[16:10] <cjwatson> Working on backporting support for :any and :native build-dependencies to the Debian buildds, so that we stop having to carry such things as Ubuntu deltas.
[16:10] <cjwatson> ..
[16:10] <ogra_> heh, sawfish still has users ?
[16:11] <doko> cjwatson, did kmod need anything besides dropping b-d's?
[16:11] <cjwatson> doko: that was all
[16:11]  * xnox doesn't even know what sawfish is =) i think i should be glad.
[16:11] <cjwatson> xnox: a WM
[16:11] <ev> - Very short week. Holiday until Friday, then off again on Monday.
[16:11] <ev> - Continuing to get the charms ready for prodstack, battling Canonistack every step of the way.
[16:11] <ev>   - Waiting to hear back if we still have an EC2 credit as we desperately need to expand the number of retracers (we're getting a lot more core files) and we can't do that until we have everything on prodstack.
[16:11] <ev> (done)
[16:11] <cjwatson> ogra_: evidence suggests at least two :-)
[16:11] <ogra_> ev ?!?!
[16:11] <ev> hm?
[16:12] <ogra_> thats a record in shortness
[16:12] <cjwatson> doko: I suspect perl:native would have done too once it's supported, but it wasn't necessary
[16:12] <ev> heh
[16:12] <doko> - getting the buildd chroot nearly cross-built
[16:12] <doko> - updating cross toolchain packages, trying to eliminate more ad hoc solutions
[16:13] <doko> - some test rebuild fixes and give-backs
[16:13] <doko> ..
[16:13] <ogra_> done:
[16:13] <ogra_>  * read the 3800 mail backlog from vacation
[16:13] <ogra_>  * fixed ureadahead on the nexus7
[16:13] <ogra_>  * worked on initrd-less booting on the nexus7
[16:13] <ogra_>  * slightly stuck on trying to get plymouth to work without having console-setup run from the initrd
[16:13] <ogra_> todo:
[16:13] <ogra_>  * discuss livefs builder situation with infinity (we need to start building nx7 images for flavours, that will need some cut down in buildtime or more builders)
[16:13] <ogra_>  * move nx7 images to xz compression (and probably move compressing from livefs builder to nusakan)
[16:13] <ogra_>  * fix plymouth vs console-setup racing somehow
[16:13] <ogra_>  * package tegra3 gstreamer codecs for raring
[16:13] <ogra_> ..
[16:14] <xnox> * Fixed bug #1091788 , bug #1093957
[16:14] <xnox> * Fixed warnings in cunit, for MIR bug #1077484
[16:14] <xnox> * Fixed rebuild ftbfs: multiarch py2 - libsemanage, python-qt4;
[16:14] <xnox>   pep8 - apt-btrfs-snapshot;
[16:14] <xnox> * Cross-building buildd chroot: dbus (added m-a header), libnih (needs
[16:14] <xnox>   :native b-d support, but otherwise fixed), libsemanage (add
[16:14] <xnox>   DEB_STAGE)
[16:14] <xnox> * Upstart overrides from any dir merged, thanks james for review
[16:14] <xnox> ..
[16:14] <barry> looked into claws-m-p-e build failures when syncing from debian: libgdata/libcurl4-{gnutls,nss}-dev mess kills us again.  bug 1095407.  bug 1077087.  bug 1077089. upstream oauthlib issue 86.  py3 porting: lazr.smtptest, lazr.delegates, lazr.config (inprogress).  evaluating pillow (friendly PIL port for py3).  helped with a few lp:friends issues. started looking at mvo's sqlite fts branches for software-center (hopefully to drop xapian
[16:14] <barry> dependency).  dmb meeting. done.
[16:16] <xnox> barry: what's speed comparison of sqlite vs xapian for software-center use case? i hope that incremental indexing is faster.
[16:16] <barry> xnox: i don't know that yet ;)
[16:16] <barry> i'd be happy if it was in the same ballpark
[16:17] <xnox> ah. I takes quite a chunk of installation time to generate software-center index.... /me even considered having initial index in the package *gasp*
[16:18] <doko> barry: I already have pillow packaging
[16:19] <barry> doko: yeah, i saw that comment.  please provide url.  (my packaging isn't meant to be definitive, just enough to evaluate upstream)
[16:20] <barry> doko: i build from a github pull request which is fixing py3 issues
[16:24] <bdmurray> cjwatson: ?
[16:25] <cjwatson> oh, sorry
[16:25] <cjwatson> distracted :)
[16:25] <cjwatson> #topic bugs
[16:25] <cjwatson> anything we should be looking at this week that we aren't already?
[16:26] <bdmurray> bug 1078810 regarding quantal had a recent comment that allowed me to recreate the bug (most of the time)
[16:26] <xnox> interesting!
[16:26] <bdmurray> er, whoops
[16:26] <bdmurray> yes, that's a bug we should look but my comment was about another bug
[16:26] <cjwatson> oh dear, missing pygi porting
[16:28] <barry> dang
[16:28]  * xnox will look into it.
[16:28] <xnox> helper script is small
[16:29] <bdmurray> okay, thanks xnox
[16:29] <bdmurray> my comment regarding being able to recreate a usb-creator bug on quantal was about bug 915626
[16:29] <xnox> still good =)
[16:31] <bdmurray> I'd test it raring but…
[16:31] <cjwatson> But it's completely screwed due to the prior bug? :)
[16:32] <bdmurray> right
[16:33] <xnox> =)))))))
[16:33] <cjwatson> xnox: can you take 915626 as well, then?
[16:33] <xnox> i guess i win both =)
[16:33] <bdmurray> It seems like we should look at reviewing the branch associated with bug 1095692 for the 12.04 point release
[16:34] <cjwatson> bdmurray: Yep - I'll do that today
[16:34] <xnox> that's not merged into raring yet ?!
[16:35] <cjwatson> bdmurray: assigned to me, prodded bug metadata
[16:35] <bdmurray> okay, thanks
[16:36]  * xnox has .changes ready to make ubiquity upload into raring. Can I still do it (to test if partman fixes resolve hangs) or cjwatson you'll do an upload today?
[16:36] <bdmurray> Then I'm curious how worthwhile is it to SRU bug 1078544.
[16:37] <cjwatson> xnox: I'll review/commit and you can upload whenever's convenient
[16:37] <cjwatson> xnox: no need to block on me, I can put it in the next version along if I need to
[16:37] <xnox> ack.
[16:38] <cjwatson> I suspect that infinity would still like to sort out that aptdaemon bug, based on his comments about kernel autoremoval; it might be worth asking him
[16:38] <cjwatson> oh, which reminds me, infinity sent apologies, but:
[16:38] <cjwatson> 12:39 <infinity> cjwatson: The only real point of interest from me is glibc_2.17 that should be landing when the test rebuild is done (about half done rebasing all the patches for experimental, then the Ubuntu
[16:38] <cjwatson>                  merge will be trivial on top of that)
[16:39] <cjwatson> bdmurray: anything else?
[16:40] <bdmurray> xnox: did you have any luck with the kernel and testing bug 1023645?
[16:41] <xnox> bdmurray: a few people i poked do not have ndiswrapper hardware.
[16:41] <xnox> anybody here has hw that can take ndiswrapped windows drivers?
[16:41] <xnox> (people i know tend to choose hardware for ubuntu though)
[16:43] <bdmurray> well if nobody has hardware to test then that's it from me
[16:43] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:43] <cjwatson> #topic AOB
[16:44] <cjwatson> anyone?
[16:45] <xnox> loads of precise pending srus and bugs in the report.
[16:45] <cjwatson> which report?
[16:45] <xnox> maybe we should go through them and see what should be targetted at 12.04.2
[16:45] <xnox> rls-tracking & pending-sru
[16:46] <cjwatson> ok, quite possibly, not here though
[16:46] <xnox> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/precise-updates-bug-tasks.html
[16:46] <cjwatson> jodh: is the upstart/armhf build failure on precise racy, i.e. might it go away if we retry?
[16:46] <xnox> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/precise-updates-bug-tasks.html
[16:47] <cjwatson> jodh: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/126984012/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armhf.upstart_1.5-0ubuntu7.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:48] <jodh> cjwatson: dang - looks like that is the ol' "missing \n race again, so yeah :)
[16:49] <cjwatson> jo	OK, I've mashed retry
[16:49] <cjwatson> gah, lag
[16:50] <cjwatson> OK, nearly out of time and it sounds like that's all
[16:50] <cjwatson> Thanks everyone
[16:50] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[16:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan  9 16:50:30 2013 UTC.
[16:50] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-01-09-16.02.moin.txt
[16:50] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-01-09-16.02.html
[16:50] <xnox> cheers
[16:53] <stgraber> thanks!
[20:38] <solarcloud_3scrn> Is there supposed to be a Lubuntu meeting on right now ??


[18:50] <sakrecoer_> zequence: i'll announce it. its no biggie, but its a good reason for existence reminder :D
[18:50] <sakrecoer_> zequence: and thanks for taking care of updating the links
[18:51] <sakrecoer_> i've been thinkering arround with the look and artwork things. i would very much appreciate a little guiding to the various branches there are for this.
[18:52] <sakrecoer_> for example, when i go into settings=>appearance in the icon tab, i find an entry for Ubuntu Studio, but where are these icons packaged?
[18:53] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: :)
[18:53] <sakrecoer_> i must be missing a branche, because i can't find those icons.
[18:53] <sakrecoer_> hi OvenWerks :)
[18:53] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: I think there is actually only one icon in there.
[18:53] <sakrecoer_> :D
[18:55] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: the icons for the menu are included in the -menu package because they are a part of that. They are not put in the ubuntustudio theme but in hicolor
[18:57] <sakrecoer_> i'm pretty impressed about this: http://snwh.org/moka/icons
[18:57] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: hmm, our logo ends up in the -settings package but not in a theme, it is in  /usr/share/pixmaps instead.
[18:58] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: those are certainly closer to our menu icons.
[18:58] <sakrecoer_> they look very good installed in XFCE
[18:59] <sakrecoer_> and i'm struggling to find the link right now, but they seem to be released under GPL3
[19:01] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: the ubuntustudio icon theme has 4 icons in it.
[19:03] <OvenWerks> two of them are to replace missing icons that applications don't have (hexter and hdspmixer) and the other too are to make sure our logo overrides any sysytem logo for menu and distributor (shows in the installer)
[19:04] <sakrecoer_> thank you OvenWerks :) that explains a lot.
[19:04] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: the two application icons should really go in the hicolor theme so that they will show no matter which theme is chosen.
[19:05] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: tis is the icon theme branch right? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/trunk
[19:06] <sakrecoer_> but where is the hicolor?
[19:06] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: yes
[19:07] <OvenWerks> hicolor should not be in that package
[19:09] <OvenWerks> any file put in hicolor should be put there by the application package. So our audio meta package would be the right place.
[19:09] <sakrecoer_> i cannot put the finger on what step in the ladder is blurry to me...
[19:10] <OvenWerks> but in that case it _should_ wait till all the packages in the meta are installed and then check if the files exist and then install if not.
[19:11] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: because the menu logo is named specifically it could be moved to the -menu package as well.
[19:11] <OvenWerks>  That would leave the only icon in our icon theme being distributor-logo.svg
[19:11] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: and where are our workflow icons?
[19:12] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: in ubuntustudio-menu
[19:12] <sakrecoer_> the blue note, the orange pencil and the purple filmstrip
[19:12] <sakrecoer_> ok....
[19:12] <OvenWerks> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-menu/trunk
[19:13] <sakrecoer_> niiiice! :)
[19:13] <sakrecoer_> thank you OvenWerks :)
[19:13] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: as I said I think the menu logo should be in there too :)
[19:15] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: actually there is our logo in there too, but I think it is used ubuntustudio submenu, not the panel menu icon.
[19:16] <sakrecoer_> it would sure be good for future newcommer, if they would find all icons in as little different places as possible...
[19:17] <sakrecoer_> well that sounded harsh from me, i hope you guys get it...
[19:17] <sakrecoer_> if we can make it better without losing too much time we should
[19:19] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: yes. I think the pixmaps icons could be removed. I don't think there is any SW that only looks there. I think that is generally the last place that gets looked at.
[19:23] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: the menu may be installed some place other than ubuntustudio and so it's icons need to be in that package. For example someone installing the menu and our metas in kbuntu.
[19:24] <OvenWerks> s/kbuntu/kubuntu/
[19:34] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: the icons for hdspmixer and hexter should be fixed inside the respective packages. In hexter's case it is hard because the menu item should not be displayed even if the jack-dssi-host package is not installed.
[19:46] <sakrecoer_> but.. hexter works with jack right?
[19:47] <OvenWerks> there are more than one DX7 emulation plugins.
[19:47] <OvenWerks> hexter does not directly with jack without a dssi host.
[19:47] <OvenWerks> the command line inside the menu selection for hexter is: jack-dssi-host hexter.so
[19:47] <OvenWerks> It is jack-dssi-host that makes hexter work with jack.
[19:47] <sakrecoer_> ok, i see now that jack started when i tested the hexter icon
[19:47] <OvenWerks>  :P
[19:47] <sakrecoer_> are there many other apps using jack-dssi-host?
[19:47] <sakrecoer_> (also now the BIG icon is back, since i started hexter)
[19:47] <OvenWerks> :)
[19:48] <sakrecoer_> i mean, do we ship many DSSI-plugins?
[19:48] <OvenWerks> there are 4 dssi plugins that we ship: WhySynth, hexter, FluidSynth-DSSI, Xsynth
[19:50] <sakrecoer_> FluidSynth-DSSI, is that "qsynth" ?
[19:50] <OvenWerks> Fluidsynth uses qsynth as a host
[19:51] <OvenWerks> There is an LV plugin with qsynth as well (maybe two) but calf includes one for sure
[19:51] <sakrecoer_> i can't find the others, "WhySynth", and "XSynth"
[19:51] <OvenWerks> nope.
[19:52] <sakrecoer_> i guess that means that they are in the extras?
[19:53] <sakrecoer_> yeah, found some wsynth-dssi (hack on Xsynth-DSSI to allow wavetable synthesis)
[19:54] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: nope, try jack-dssi-host xsynth-dssi.so
[19:55] <sakrecoer_> ah, that patch edit is a pretty welcome tab in such a plug
[19:55] <OvenWerks> or jack-dssi-host whysynth.so
[19:56] <sakrecoer_> ok, then, i have to wonder, is there a reason why they are hidden?
[19:56] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: there have been comments that whysynth is the "new" xsynth and comments back that xsynth is alive and well
[19:56] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: we could make desktop/icon files for them too.
[19:56] <sakrecoer_> whysynth looked way less easily configurable...
[19:57] <sakrecoer_> hexter doesnt come with patch editing either..
[19:57] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: I think the only reason hexter comes with a desktop file is because someone added it to that package at some time.
[19:57] <OvenWerks> hexter does.
[19:57] <sakrecoer_> where do i find patch editing for hexter?
[19:58] <OvenWerks>  and so does whysynth.
[19:58] <OvenWerks> edit->edit patch
[19:58] <OvenWerks> (in both cases)
[19:59] <sakrecoer_> :) *facepalming myself a little*
[20:00] <sakrecoer_> so all we need to do to "unhide" these tools is to create an entru fro them in the menu?
[20:02] <sakrecoer_> interesting, fiddeling with whysynth got me logged off my session
[20:02] <sakrecoer_> freeze, and then login prompt without reboot..
[20:02] <sakrecoer_> anyways, that is a different story..
[20:02] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: a desktop file
[20:03] <sakrecoer_> ok, i get it :)
[20:03] <sakrecoer_> (i think)
[20:03] <sakrecoer_> thank you OvenWerks, helped a lot!
[20:03] <OvenWerks> on your system look at /usr/share/applications/hexter.desktop for an example.
[20:03] <sakrecoer_> yeah, that was the little i knew about the icons :)
[20:04] <sakrecoer_> but so, jack-dssi is only used by these dx7 emulations?
[20:08] <OvenWerks> Just those four plugins... plus any more the user decides to download.
[20:13] <sakrecoer_> thank OvenWerks :)
[20:13] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: someothers include wsynth, nekobee, llscope,etc
[20:13] <OvenWerks> there is a thing called ghostess, which it says I have installed but doesn't show in my menu
[20:15] <OvenWerks> hmm needs CLI start it seems.
[20:16] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: yeah, it starts a little patchbay for DSSI plugins...
[20:29] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: Carla would be nicer. It handles all kinds of different plugins.
[20:30] <sakrecoer_> would carla replace ghostess and jack-dssi?
[20:31] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: fun with Linux Devs, LV2 is supposed to replace ladspa and dssi plugins. Many devs have moved their plugins to LV2, but there is a small group of Devs who do not like LV2 (for whatever reason) and refuse to switch. :P
[20:31] <OvenWerks> yes Carla would replace them both.
[20:32] <OvenWerks> it looks nice too.
[20:32] <flocculant> sakrecoer_: just so you know - beta 1 is now building :)
[20:32] <sakrecoer_> flocculant: beta 1 of... carla?
[20:32] <flocculant> and I know where to find you on Thursday for release notes for it ...
[20:32] <OvenWerks> carla would also replace jackrack which we are having trouble keeping too.
[20:33] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: i'm struggling to find what licens carla is published under, is that the reason why we don't ship it?
[20:33] <sakrecoer_> flocculant: i'm confused, can you specify what matter you are reffering to?
[20:33] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: if it gets into debian we are fine
[20:34] <flocculant> sakrecoer_: your Xenial Beta 1 build
[20:34] <sakrecoer_> ah! :) and where will you find me on thursday?
[20:34] <sakrecoer_> flocculant:
[20:35] <OvenWerks> flocculant: so it has been rebuilt? I noticed it failed earlier today.
[20:37] <OvenWerks> flocculant: failed to build again...
[20:37] <flocculant> OvenWerks: no idea about that - but the dailies are stopped and rebuilding for beta - so unless something changed I guess it will fail again
[20:37] <OvenWerks> flocculant: different fail this time.
[20:38] <sakrecoer_> flocculant: where do you expect to find me on thursday? or rather, where and to what end would you need my presence? :)
[20:38] <flocculant> OvenWerks: I see those mails - no idea what it means though
[20:39] <flocculant> sakrecoer_: I will find you in here - I will want a link to your release notes for when I announce
[20:39] <OvenWerks> flocculant: the earlier fail looked like one package that updated correctly and another yet to be. The second fail looks like atp-get update fail because things are moving around on servers.
[20:39] <sakrecoer_> ok,... "my release notes"... well at least i'm glad to hear about this before thursday :D
[20:40] <sakrecoer_> i'm gald to hear about it in any case, i just don't know yet what that implies...
[20:40] <sakrecoer_> or what i am supposed to write in the release notes..
[20:43]  * OvenWerks watches cpu temperature rise while building new Ardour tabbed version.
[20:46] <sakrecoer_> well, i hope to get briefed on what is required for those release notes :)
[20:46] <sakrecoer_> i need to log off for a while, be back later tonight tho,..
[20:46] <sakrecoer_> thanks for your help OvenWerks ! and good to read you flocculant :)
[20:48] <OvenWerks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R0Qzm9ZZfo is pretty interesting show off of meterbridge


[09:53] <Renegade15> good day; how do I make launchpadlib use the /devel/ version of the API, instead of 1.0?
[09:53] <geser> specify it in you login() call
[09:54] <Renegade15> would that be a named or a positional parameter?
[09:55] <geser> named: login_with(..., version='devel')
[09:56] <Renegade15> ah, thank you :)
[13:04] <penguin42> can someone explain why bug 863504 keeps settings it's importance back to 'Unknown'?
[13:07] <rick_h> penguin42: i think because it's syncing hte status from the upstream bug
[13:07] <penguin42> rick_h: But that's an odd thing to do to the importance field isn't it? (It looks like the only bug in lp/ubuntu set like that)
[13:08] <rick_h> penguin42: is this done/fixed released then?
[13:09] <penguin42> rick_h: Don't think so
[13:10] <rick_h> penguin42: ok, the changes 3/9 from nitrof22 and 4/5 simplehuman seemed to mark each as fixed released
[13:10] <penguin42> rick_h: The Status of the 'ubuntu' component is fix released (which is probably bogus) but the status of the linux (ubuntu) component is 'new' - it's also 'assigned' to a debbug, which I'm not sure is the right thing anyway for a bug in linux(ubuntu)
[13:10] <penguin42> rick_h: And if you manually change the Importance the bug follower flips it back to Unknown
[13:11] <rick_h> penguin42: right
[13:12] <penguin42> rick_h: It doesn't seem right for it to do that
[13:16] <rick_h> penguin42: yea, I've not done much with upstream, but this seems wrong. The first bug task is on ubuntu without any package/etc. The assigned to the deb bug vs a 'also effects...' seems strange. looking through how it's supposed to work
[13:17] <rick_h> penguin42: I think this is because the linux (ubuntu) task is linked to the debian bug report.
[13:21] <penguin42> rick_h: So I suspect one fix is to remove that link, and to make a linux(debian) or similar link to the debian report; however is there a lp bug here ? I mean should it allow a linux(ubuntu) bug to have an assign to a debian bug? And even if it does I think there should never be a way for something to set the importance of an ubuntu bug to unknown?
[13:25] <rick_h> penguin42: I've got a call in a sec and I'll make sure I'm not leading you astray, but I think you'd need to add that it effects another project, udev, link that to the deb bug. and it'd track separately.
[13:26] <penguin42> rick_h: OK, I'm also about to disappear - but even then I still think there's a lp bug
[13:26] <rick_h> penguin42: well I think it's doing what it's told. It's thold to watch this upstream and if the status there is unknow/new it'll keep updating it
[13:27] <wgrant> penguin42, rick_h: Normally you'd have a linux (Debian) task with the link to the external bug.
[13:27] <wgrant> But that bug has its linux (Ubuntu) task linked to the Debian bug, which doesn't make sense.
[13:28] <penguin42> wgrant: Yeh, so I'm thinking there is either a bug in that it lets you link linux(Ubuntu) up to the debian one, and another one that it should never set an ubuntu package to unknown since there is no other way anywhere in lp of setting an ubuntu package to unknown
[13:28] <rick_h> wgrant: and that debian bug is on udev package so it should be against that vs linux?
[13:28] <dobey> also, there's no "Debian" option in the "Distribution" list when you try to change it
[13:28] <wgrant> penguin42: The remote bug syncer is the only thing that's ever meant to use the Unknown status and importance
[13:29]  * wgrant fixes the bug.
[13:30]  * penguin42 pops out for a while
[13:32] <wgrant> penguin42, rick_h: It is a bit more sensible now.
[13:32] <rick_h> wgrant: ty much
[13:47] <ahasenack> hi, I'm getting a huge javascript error when trying to make bug #977097 private
[13:47] <ahasenack> can someone help?
[13:52] <ahasenack> a web-op marked it as private, but now I can't see it anymore
[13:52] <ahasenack> and I'm in the landscape team
[13:54] <rick_h> deryck: do you have perms to fix that? I can't see it. ^^
[13:56] <wgrant> ahasenack: How did they make it private?
[13:56] <ahasenack> wgrant: I don't know, I'm trying to reach them now but they don't answer, must be busy putting out some fire
[13:57] <ahasenack> wgrant: can you see it? I get a 404 now
[13:57] <wgrant> No.
[13:57] <wgrant> And I can see most Landscape private bugs.
[13:57] <ahasenack> must be really private now
[13:58] <deryck> rick_h, I doubt I can see it either.  let me look....
[13:59] <deryck> rick_h, yeah, sorry, I can't either.  Think webops has to get involved.
[15:12] <penguin42> wgrant: Thanks
[16:09] <jono> hey all
[16:10] <jono> quick question - I have a project that has a daemon codebase and a GUI codebase - should I use the same LP project and just have a series for the daemon and a series for the GUI, or should they be two separate LP projects?
[16:18] <maxb> jono: You should make your decision based on: 1) Do they live in separate version-controlled directory trees, or a single one, and; 2) do they have a single version number covering both, or are they released separately
[16:57] <jono> maxb, they are in different trees, but in lp:foo/daemon and lp:foo/gui
[16:58] <jono> as for releases, we could conceivably release them seperately
[17:45] <maxb> jono: Sounds to me like they are logically separate projects then
[17:47] <dobey> if they are both required for the client to work, they probably shouldn't be. unless you are hoping for other people to write different UIs to do the exact same thing as your current GUI does
[17:53] <kirkland> anyone around who can help me with a new private/commercial launchpad project?
[17:54] <kirkland> jono: I've done quite a bit of that, and personally, I've found separate projects work best for me
[18:01] <jono> thanks kirkland
[20:42] <yofel> someone around that could abort all builds on https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/soprano please? They're stuck
[22:28] <BarkingFish> Evening guys! I wonder if someone could help me. I'm logged into launchpad, trying to get to the bugs list, and receiving a constant time out, complete with an OOPS id
[22:28] <BarkingFish> I wonder if someone could tell me what's happened, please?
[22:28] <BarkingFish> (Error ID: OOPS-dd8a8db066683c21c1419bcf10b2cd79)