[07:38] <BlitzHere> Hmm, the file manager crashes when trying to copy 1883 ~500KB jpegs from one folder to another :P
[07:41] <BlitzHere> Odd, file manager doesn't complain when transferring from 500GB FAT32 external hard drive to ext4 internal but it does when transferring from FAT32 folder to FAT32 folder
[07:42] <BlitzHere> Oh, well. Bug reporter came up and I reported it
[10:08] <bigon> ricotz: hey
[10:08] <bigon> I'm currently looking at gfbgraph pkg
[10:09] <bigon> I see in the control file that you are refering to a debian collab-maint git branch
[10:09] <bigon> doesn't seems to be the case
[10:10] <bigon> is it ok for you if the debian-gnome team is taking this under his umbrella?
[10:20] <ricotz> bigon, hi :), absolutely, feel free to grab it, i didnt push it anywhere besides the gnome3 ppa
[10:21] <ricotz> might be better to replace autotools_dev with autoreconf to ease syncing it to ubuntu
[10:21] <bigon> ok I'll do
[10:22] <bigon> ah already made a pkg in the team svn
[10:22] <bigon> the pkg names are the same, so I'll just merge the minors changes that might exist
[10:22] <ricotz> please mention me in the copyright while you fix it
[10:22] <ricotz> oh, i see
[10:24] <bigon> k
[10:26] <ricotz> gir1.2- looks wrong
[10:26] <ricotz> it target a multiarch dir
[10:26] <ricotz> referring to the svn version
[10:27] <bigon> yeah I'm fixing it now
[10:27] <ricotz> alright
[10:27] <ricotz> g2g
[10:42] <majod> is gnome 3.12 good to use on trusty?
[11:30] <Forage> majod: using it on a daily base here, didn't run into issues so far
[11:41] <majod> Forage: which ppa did you use?
[11:51] <Forage> all of them, but there's no real use since packages get superseded those in staging
[11:52] <Forage> so staging should be sufficient
[11:53] <majod> Forage: this one? https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3-staging
[11:54] <Forage> with the exception of  gnome-system-monitor from stable btw, so you might as well add all of them
[11:54] <Forage> yes, that's staging
[11:54] <majod> "all of them", all of what?
[11:54] <Forage> please read up
[11:54] <Forage> before trying this stuff
[11:55] <Forage> you would have known
[11:55] <Forage> stable, next and staging
[11:55] <majod> oh you meant ppas
[11:55] <Forage> yes
[11:56] <Forage> in response to "which ppa" :-P
[11:56] <majod> i see
[11:56] <majod> thanks
[11:56] <majod> the last time i tried that in vm and didnt end well
[11:57] <Forage> do make sure you use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[11:57] <majod> yes
[11:58] <majod> and if i would need to revert back to 3.10, is ppa-purge enough?
[11:58] <Forage> should be, yeah
[11:59] <Forage> never needed to use that
[11:59] <majod> thanks
[12:03] <Forage> majod: btw, since you asked about fglrx yesterday, I just installed 14.4 final today without any issues. Might not solve your problem yet, but just so you know
[12:10] <majod> i hope the extensions will work in 3.12...i remember that they always disabled automatically after restart
[12:41] <majod> and for some reason synaptic manager does not work properly
[13:02] <Forage> majod: yeah, you are right, that sometimes happens to me as well. The only thing I found was solving it was to reboot the system
[13:03] <Forage> forgot about that one since I don't use it on a daily base
[13:03] <majod> its ok. i also seldom use synaptic and it isnt a big deal
[14:03] <Forage> majod: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/1308295
[14:05] <varanasib> I feel like a fool, but I cannot find the rhythmbox preferences dialog.  There's no preference choice under edit.
[14:12] <majod> Forage: thanks, clicked that it affects me too
[15:14] <bigon> hey
[15:15] <Kungr> is it worth going to 14.04? i just got 13.10 going the way i want it.
[15:16] <bigon> I've a question I don't remember exactly, why did you need to have gdmflexiserver in libgdm1 pkg?
[16:01] <Forage> Kungr: you got the release notes of ubuntu as well as ubuntu gnome, you know how much effort it was to get your 13.10 up and running, you have the option to update to gnome 3.12, you be the judge
[16:52]  * DASPRiD wants gnome 4.0, nao ;)
[18:57] <swiss> so on 14.04 gjs-console keeps dying
[19:07] <arthurfiggis> hmm...the channel topic is still on 13.10, the about "dialog" is reporting 13.10...hopefully one of those will be fixed soon :( not too big a problem but it's nice to know what version you're running!
[19:09] <DASPRiD> arthurfiggis, cat /etc/issue
[19:10] <arthurfiggis> DASPRiD: ahh yes, it is listed correctly there...and on the other variants of ubuntu it's displayed properly as well, probably just a mistake in the version of gnome-control-centre that ubuntu-gnome uses
[19:11] <DASPRiD> it's a bug already known before release and noted in the release notes ;)
[19:11] <DASPRiD> although interesting that it wasn't fixed yet
[19:12] <arthurfiggis> DASPRiD: oh yes, i was about to mention as much myself...it's on the front page of the website even :) that's why i was rather surprised that it was still not fixed yet...it's definitely a known issue and one would think a relatively simple one?
[19:12] <DASPRiD> it very likely is
[19:12] <arthurfiggis> (hopefully it doesn't mean that there's no one maintaining the gnome packages who can make a change that small...doubtful :) )
[19:12] <DASPRiD> but they likely have more important bugs to fix
[19:13] <arthurfiggis> DASPRiD: i would imagine so, that's just a cosmetic problem really...and since no scripts are broken as you pointed out (/etc/issue still has the right version), it's just a matter of maintainer x firing up their text editor :)
[19:14] <arthurfiggis> i only noticed it because it was pointed out on that post on the website really! apart from that ubuntu-gnome has been more pleasant than even the kde distributions that i've switched from...and i didn't think i'd switch from kde any time soon :) still developing apps and widgets with qt/qml, but they're easy to theme for gnome thankfully!
[19:22] <BlitzHere> I just had Ubuntu crash on me. I had XChat, steam, Chrome, Google play music manager and Rhythmbox running. I was encrypting my external hard drive using the diska application to the LUKS format. I had instructed it to zero out the drive. I was playing the game FTL via steam when my mouse suddenly borked out. unplugging and replugging it didn't work. Then there was a freeze for a couple of seconds before recovery and I exited the game using the
[19:22] <BlitzHere> touchpad. THen I noticed that the format of the external hard drive failed and my usb flash drive wasn't working. WOndering if the USBs just broke I rebooted the computer
[19:23] <BlitzHere> And I'm back on and everything seems normal
[19:23] <BlitzHere> But I want to figure out what went wrong. Where do I start? Where are the logs?
[19:24] <tony1> I am using ubuntu 14.04 with gnome. I used to have a network icon on the top bar and after upgrade it is missing. is there a way to get it back?
[19:24] <tony1> the setting for my vpn connection is there
[19:40] <BlitzHere> Okay, here's syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/7339909/
[19:40] <xnox> Hey, is anybody looking to do clutter 1.18 transition?
[19:40] <xnox> due to cogl transition in utopic?
[19:44] <BlitzHere> And kernlog http://paste.ubuntu.com/7339936/
[20:01] <arthurfiggis> BlitzHere: not too sure from the logs myself, i'm not enough of an expert :) but there does seem like there's one error that's in common to both that's relevant: "Apr 27 00:23:15 Blitz-Computer kernel: [469375.430773] sd 9:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device" as if something happened to knock the usb devices offline and then it failed to continue the formatting/encrypting process?
[20:02] <arthurfiggis> BlitzHere: as i say that's just a shot in the dark really, from taking a look at the logs i can't quite tell myself what made the devices offline, just that they did...which isn't much help, sorry :(
[20:04] <DASPRiD> BlitzHere, hint: xchat is not maintained anymore for many years, you should switch to the follow-up fork (hexchat)
 yeah, there's no explanation to why all the USB devices, including my mouse were kicked off
 hexchat? xchat-gnome?
[20:19] <BlitzHere> I dunno, I got xchat set up just the way I like it
[20:20] <BlitzHere> Any particular reason I shouldn't use it?
[20:20] <BlitzHere> It seems stable. Hasn't crashed. And it's got all the features I want
[20:22] <DASPRiD> BlitzHere, last update to xchat was may 2010
[20:22] <DASPRiD> so there may be security issues with it
[20:22] <DASPRiD> also: xchat config is forward-compatible to hexchat, so you can use the same
[21:12] <BlitzHere> I have no idea how I'll go to another OS after Ubuntu Gnome. Multitasking is completely AWESOME on this
[21:12] <BlitzHere> Scroll on title bars to switch desktops is my new favorite feature ever
[21:13] <BlitzHere> plus autohiding title bars for maximum screen real estate
[21:24] <DASPRiD> BlitzHere, herhe :)
[21:25] <BlitzHere> I find it curious that none of the reviews mention thsi
[21:25] <BlitzHere> It's odd that everyone misses that
[21:29] <arthurfiggis> BlitzHere: I don't tend to read reviews for linux distro's any more, i used to...i check distrowatch for new releases, but that's about it :) these days i just install it, if it does what it's supposed to then it stays installed...so far ubuntu gnome wins!
[21:38] <BlitzHere> So, here's something I want to see. On the right hand corner of the status bar where you see the menu with the audio controls and power controls ,the network state indicator displays only when there is no connection. I'd like it to display permanently. Any way to make this happen?
[21:39] <DASPRiD> i bet there's an extension ;)
[21:39] <BlitzHere> Ther isn't
[21:39] <BlitzHere> I checked
[21:39] <BlitzHere> :(
[21:39] <DASPRiD> mhhh
[21:39] <DASPRiD> there are for the audio indicator…
[21:39] <DASPRiD> mh
[21:40] <BlitzHere> Yes, i have the one for audio levels for indivudual windows installed
[22:00] <BlitzHere5> DASPRiD: So, I installed hexchat and copied the config files over from xchat. Some of hexchat's settings are messed up though. So, I nuked the whole thing. I'll two the whole thing tomorrow. I just wanted to let you know that it isn't perfectly forward compatible
[22:01] <BlitzHere5> I'll redo*
[22:01] <DASPRiD> ah well, maybe it was earlier when i switched :)
[22:01] <DASPRiD> but good to know, thx
[22:03] <BlitzHere5> No problem. I still have things configured on my phone and tablet though. So, I'll run them for a while...
[22:14] <tony1> does anyone know how to get the network icon back in the panel after 14.04 upgrade
[22:15] <tony1> I am using gnome


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[01:07] <ali1234> apple UUID leak sure is interesting
[01:08] <ali1234> er, UDID
[01:11] <Azelphur> ali1234: just fyi people are lawyering up over pirate, and he has registered businesses at his address :p
[01:17] <ali1234> http://gawker.com/
[01:17] <ali1234> lulz
[01:17] <Azelphur> hahahaha
[02:28] <Supermanintights> hi, I've recently set up my thunderbird with my calendar settings, and I'm looking for a way to run it through a screensaver - either directly or a screensaver that just displays the content behind it in some way.  I want to leave my calendar running in the background on one of my machines, but I want to try and avoid image burn etc.
[02:31] <ali1234> image burn does not happen any more
[02:33] <ali1234> ok, it does, but it's not something you need to worry about
[02:35] <Supermanintights> are you sure - I could be leaving my screen (LCD tv) on for hours at a time on a static calendar image (well static save for updates)
[02:35] <ali1234> 24 hours a day?
[02:36] <Supermanintights> possibly not quite 24, as I sleep for some, play video games for others - but you could be talking at least 6 hours a day, often non-stop
[02:36] <Supermanintights> because of the nature of my work, a calendar like that would be really useful
[02:37] <ali1234> LCDs don't burn in the same way that CRTs do
[02:37] <Supermanintights> yeah - I've researched enough to see that, just saw that it's still techinically possible to get a similar effect, which is why I was just a bit concerned - I love my tv :D
[04:14] <AlanBell> morning all
[05:28] <christel> morning
[06:13] <jussi> mrgh...
[06:14] <jussi> morning I guess
[06:19] <MartijnVdS> \o
[06:19] <MartijnVdS> you're an hour late :)
[06:22] <christel> hehe
[06:22] <MartijnVdS> christel: he was supposed to be at work at 8, and it's past 9 (for him) now :)
[06:22] <christel> oopsie!
[06:23]  * MartijnVdS has fresh tea!
[06:23] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[06:25] <christel> :D
[06:25] <christel> i have lukewarm coffee :(
[06:25] <christel> hehe
[06:25] <MartijnVdS> eww
[06:31] <christel> ikr?
[07:02] <diplo> Morning all
[07:04] <MartijnVdS> \o diplo
[07:08] <christel> diplo: :D
[07:09] <diplo> So an actual on ish topic this morning but probably to early
[07:10] <diplo> It looks like my company are going to brand some 1u servers to sell as a new software/hardware stack
[07:11] <diplo> So all the machines will be exactly the same, basically what I'd like to know is, is it worth trying to optimise Apache/php/mysql to this hardware or will the differences from stock to an optimised install not make a big enough difference
[07:11] <diplo> This could be from 6 - 10 users up to 80-100
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> I'd only worry if you're hitting limits somewhere
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> can you scale up with even more hardware? Why not do that.. unless you're google-scale or Amazon-scale, it's probably not worth it
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> (unless, as I said, you're hitting a specific bottleneck)
[07:13] <diplo> It's not been tested with lots of users yet, I think it's quite heavy on apache/mysql with a few ( 3? ) users
[07:14] <MartijnVdS> time for some profiling :)
[07:14] <diplo> OK, sounds promising.. point me in the direction of what to look at ? Please
[07:14] <AlanBell> optimise the sql indexes of the app
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> Yes, learn how to tune mysql indexes first
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> then if that's not enough, tune Apache
[07:15] <AlanBell> log all slow queries and queries not using indexes then fix them all
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> and if that doesn't work, switch to a real RDBMS :P
[07:16] <diplo> ah ok, I've optimised sql indexes before.. will enable that
[07:16] <diplo> Is their a way of logging slow processes with apache like mysql slow queries
[07:17] <MartijnVdS> no
[07:17] <MartijnVdS> there's http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/misc/perf-tuning.html thoguh
[07:18] <AlanBell> the reason for slow page loads will be slow queries
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> separating static files out to a separate, dedicated server might also help
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> You can use nginx or lighttpd on that instead of Apache (even more light-weight)
[07:20] <diplo> yeah, it's an internal app ( our erp system ) much like OpenERP
[07:20] <AlanBell> but only optimise stuff that is actually slow
[07:20] <diplo> but it's not hugely mysql dependant, we have our own middleware that writes db to a cisam ( legacy ) database and reads as well
[07:21] <diplo> But when I watch top, each time a link is clicked I notice a 3% spike on apache
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> Only optimize things that are slow, and only optimize after profiling :)
[07:21] <diplo> and I was thinking 3% x 20 users might start bogging it down
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> diplo: can you "script" user activity? Even crudely?
[07:22] <AlanBell> php-apc is a free performance boost
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> On a test setup?
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> That will help finding bottlenecks
[07:22] <diplo> You mean like run the stuff they would be doing ?
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> yes, or similar things
[07:23] <diplo> Well I saw a firefox pluging which the name has eluded me for now that does the job for you that you can record and then keep running
[07:24] <AlanBell> selinium
[07:24] <diplo> heh, just found it in my mail, yeah
[07:24] <AlanBell> kind of good, but does need some manual tweaks to recorded sequences
[07:25] <AlanBell> and can break on firefox upgrades
[07:28] <diplo> Thanks for input guys, will take a look at stuff today
[08:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings
[08:18] <jacobw> hmm, 12.10b1 tomorrow
[08:18] <jacobw> morning Sourcererling
[08:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> whoa.. a schwuk :)
[08:22] <schwuk> MartijnVdS: :)
[08:23] <n1md4> christel: Are you around?  Still getting a load of IRC spam :-\
[08:25] <czajkowski> n1md4: perhaps ask in #freenode for help there
[08:26] <n1md4> czajkowski: sure, only that christel was advising yesterday.  I'll ask on freenode.
[08:26] <czajkowski> n1md4: yup but that is the channel to get more advice
[08:29] <n1md4> czajkowski: Appreciate that :)
[08:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :D
[08:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:37] <bigcalm> I get the feeling that my router is in .be - doubt I'll see it today
[08:38] <bigcalm> Amusing that the last status on the tracking website is "Parcel is routed"
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> Not switched?
[08:52] <bigcalm> So it'll turn up tomorrow. One of the 2 days a month when I'm not in my home office
[08:52] <bigcalm> Bah
[08:58] <christel> aww
[09:03] <ali1234> hmm you don't need to sign the CoC to make a PPA any more. when did that change?
[09:06] <ali1234> anywhoo, i approve of this
[09:08] <ali1234> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA is out of date and still says oyu need to sign the CoC
[09:12] <mungojerry> what's wrong with CoC?
[09:12] <ali1234> nothing wrong with it's content
[09:12] <bigcalm> By signing the CoC, I learnt more about how one uses keys and encryption :)
[09:12] <ali1234> i already know that stuff
[09:12] <bigcalm> I didn't :)
[09:13] <bigcalm> You tend not to learn stuff until it actually becomes a need
[09:13] <ali1234> and i find the idea of signing an agreement that says i will be nice to be rather silly
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: that's where you're wrong ;)
[09:14] <ali1234> but that is irrelevant
[09:14] <mungojerry> ali1234, it means if you're not nice, your account can be closed without argument. because you knew you were supposed to be nice
[09:14] <ali1234> the point is, i just made a PPA without signing the CoC, so the requirement has been quietly dropped
[09:14] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I don't know how to do a lot of network stuff, but I'll learn if I find I need to
[09:14] <ali1234> mungojerry: exactly. and it is extremely vague
[09:14] <mungojerry> but i like the sentiment
[09:14] <ali1234> mungojerry: which means by signing it i am essentially allowing it to be used against me
[09:15]  * bigcalm kicks nginx into submission
[09:15]  * daubers hands bigcalm the nginx LART
[09:15] <mungojerry> what's the most reliable sw for copying isos to usb? the ubuntu one works for ubuntu only, unetbootin seems to not work quite a lot
[09:17] <diplo> bigcalm: Are you nginx savvy ?
[09:17] <JohnRobert> heh, I am
[09:17] <JohnRobert> I installed it just the other day
[09:17] <JohnRobert> well, actually I wouldn't say I'm savvy
[09:17] <JohnRobert> but I got it working for the office here
[09:18] <diplo> I've got it working ok for the most part, want to play with concrete5 CMS
[09:18] <diplo> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/concrete/
[09:18] <bigcalm> diplo: not in the slightest :D gitlab kind of forced it upon me
[09:18] <JohnRobert> oh right
[09:18] <diplo> Supports concrete5 request URLs
[09:18] <diplo> Is the part I can't get to tick :)
[09:18] <diplo> I've tried lot's of different things but not worked it out  yet.
[09:19] <JohnRobert> wait
[09:19] <JohnRobert> wait
[09:19] <JohnRobert> I thought by nginx you meant ngircd
[09:19] <diplo> LD
[09:19] <JohnRobert> stupid names!
[09:19] <diplo> :D
[09:19] <ali1234> mungojerry: many ISOs are hybrid these days. you can just dd them
[09:19] <JohnRobert> having said that we do use nginx here.. but I don't know anything about it
[09:19] <mungojerry> ali1234, dd to the /dev/sdd or sdd1?
[09:19] <diplo> Thought I better start using my VPS I pay money for
[09:19] <ali1234> mungojerry: to /dev/sdd
[09:20] <mungojerry> and should my machine freeze for the entire time? cos it does :(
[09:23] <mungojerry> i thought there was a kernel fix for the desktop freeze during heavy i/o
[09:23] <mungojerry> maybe it's just my machine thuogh
[09:23] <ali1234> you wish there was a fix for it
[09:23] <mungojerry> i thought there was lots of news about it
[09:23] <mungojerry> a year ago
[09:24] <ali1234> that was not the IO scheduler. that was the process scheduler
[09:24] <ali1234> i assume you are refering to the BFS thing?
[09:24] <diplo> Hows the game coming along ali1234 ?
[09:24] <ali1234> con kolivas?
[09:24] <mungojerry> no, more recent
[09:25] <mungojerry> my memory's not what it was though
[09:25] <mungojerry> anyway, my machine's still working atm ..which is unusual
[09:25] <mungojerry> usually copying a DVD sized iso to the usb kills the machine for 20 mins
[09:25] <diplo> not sure of the name, racing through tubes etc
[09:25] <ali1234> diplo: been busy working and playing tekkit recently, so not done wanything with it
[09:25] <diplo> :(
[09:25] <diplo> looks good though
[09:26] <ali1234> it has no name yet, and i've been working on it for nearly 10 years so don't hold your breath
[09:26] <mungojerry> wow
[09:26] <mungojerry> what's your day job ali1234
[09:26] <ali1234> freelancing
[09:26] <ali1234> so when i've got no work, i do my own stuff :)
[09:27] <mungojerry> nice :)
[09:27] <mungojerry> sometimes i get to do my own stuff for work purposes :D
[09:28] <ali1234> project i've been building: http://drumoff.tv
[09:28] <ali1234> just finally got it online yesterday
[09:28] <ali1234> totally not interesting unless you play drums
[09:29] <mungojerry> i know a few drummers
[09:29] <ali1234> send them the link please :)
[09:30] <mungojerry> will do
[09:30] <mungojerry> i recommend having a youth category too for under 12s
[09:30] <mungojerry> or similar. there's some wicked young drummers out there
[09:30] <ali1234> i'm not sure on the legalities of doing that
[09:31] <ali1234> we're not even sure we will get enough entries for 1 category yet
[09:31] <mungojerry> tell popey , he has lots of friends on the internet :D
[09:31] <shauno> for U12's, believe it's fine here, not-so-fine in the US
[09:32] <ali1234> running the competition isn't my department, i'm just the tech support
[09:32] <mungojerry> you don't even have to show the drummer
[09:32] <popey> I'd recommend you show jono
[09:32] <mungojerry> jono likes rawk
[09:32]  * mungojerry submits a video of air dumming
[09:33] <mungojerry> s/dum/drum
[09:33] <ali1234> technically i think that is allowed lol
[09:33] <mungojerry> making mouth noises
[09:33] <ali1234> rules say you can only use bass hat and snare but it doesnt say you have to use all or any of them
[09:35] <mungojerry> does this count ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7SrSFn7isk&feature=plcp
[09:36] <ali1234> it's longer than 30 seconds, so no
[09:36] <mungojerry> :P
[09:36] <ali1234> kit is pretty much right though
[09:42] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:43] <mungojerry> yo
[09:44] <mungojerry> running hdparm (non cached) on a thin provisioned disk yields 600MB/s , over a 125MB/s link?
[09:45] <mungojerry> real test (e.g. dd) yields 100MB/s
[09:45] <mungojerry> what's hdparm doing wrong?
[09:48] <mgdm> megabits vs, megabytes? (just a guess)
[09:51] <mungojerry> nope
[09:51] <daubers> sitting in a cache somewhere?
[09:51] <mungojerry> dd yields more realistic results.
[09:51] <mungojerry> hdparm -t uses buffers but not cache
[09:52] <daubers> does that no only work on real disks though? Rather than networked storage?
[09:52] <daubers> i.e. is it just sitting it in RAM?
[09:53] <mungojerry> it's an iscsi connected disk
[09:53] <daubers> urgh
[09:53] <mungojerry> running it on thick provisioned disk works
[09:53] <daubers> nuff said
[09:53] <mungojerry> it's enterprise quality storage
[09:53]  * daubers has never like iscsi
[09:54] <mungojerry> i am running against a 10Gbit and 1Gbit iscsi connected disks
[09:54] <bigcalm> mgdm: glad to see you haven't given up irc :D
[09:54] <mungojerry> it's a stopgap until FC
[09:54] <daubers> What do you get on the 10Gb link ooi?
[09:55] <mungojerry> well that's the beginning of the problem
[09:55] <mungojerry> much less than we shou,ld
[09:55] <daubers> which is?
[09:55] <mungojerry> can't get IBM to admit the problem
[09:55] <mungojerry> hdparm giving around 130MB/s and i would expect more than 3x that on a V7000
[09:55] <daubers> How many drives in a V7000?
[09:57] <mungojerry> there's 12 600GB SAS 10k atm
[09:58] <daubers> from 16x3TB SATA drives I can get ~800-900MB/s over a single 10GbE link (using NFS)
[09:58] <daubers> Raid 6'd ^
[09:58] <mungojerry> we have a serious problem and i think it's IBM fault
[09:59] <mungojerry> they supply the blades, and the SAN and the customised vmware
[09:59] <mungojerry> last problem we had was very similar for sas connected storage, and it was with their customised vmware
[09:59] <mungojerry> dodgy lsi VIB
[09:59] <daubers> ooof... SAN..... I'll step away from that now
[10:00] <mungojerry> daubers, is that hdparm speed or dd'ing a 1GB file for example
[10:00] <daubers> mungojerry: That's dd'ing a 20GB file (we always test with files bigger than the amount of RAM in the NAS)
[10:00] <mungojerry> the consulting company didn't even notice the problem and tried handing over to us
[10:01] <daubers> If I do it smaller than the free RAM in the NAS I'll get it running as 1200MB/s (i.e. near line speed)
[10:01] <mungojerry><PHONE_NUMBER> bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 15.7809 s, 66.4 MB/s
[10:01] <mungojerry> lol
[10:01] <mungojerry> that's read speed
[10:02] <mungojerry> gonna have to install linux directly onto a blade instead of vmware to find out where the problem is
[10:02] <mungojerry> the iscsi on the 1gb  link is faster than the 10gb v7000
[10:02] <mungojerry> i didn't choose this hardware btw
[10:04] <mungojerry> have a support call open with IVBM atm but they aren't looking holistically
[10:04] <mungojerry> just at the SAN logs
[10:08] <mungojerry> daubers, do you dd the file locally or to /dev/null?
[10:09] <daubers> Read tests I'll dd to /dev/null
[10:09] <daubers> local dd will be limited by the local disk
[10:09] <mungojerry> yes, just checking you wre doing to same test as me
[10:09] <daubers> An interesting one I tend to run as well is do it with lots of files simultaniously
[10:10] <daubers> CIFS tends to work better that way for some reason
[10:10] <daubers> or give better results anyway
[10:10] <mungojerry> have you used iozone?
[10:10] <mungojerry> http://www.iozone.org/
[10:11] <daubers> Yes..... but I'm generally not interested in IOPS for my final use of these systems
[10:11] <daubers> the streaming read tests tend to be more reliable for what I'm doing
[10:11] <mungojerry> it helps with tuning nfs too though
[10:12] <daubers> Again... not really with what I'm doing :) End use is video editing, so lots of large streaming reads. Most of the IOP based things are based around random read/write cycles
[10:12] <daubers> Which is what most servers will end up doing
[10:12] <daubers> (i.e. databasing or working with smaller files)
[10:13] <mungojerry> are you also involved in backups?
[10:13] <mungojerry> for your work systems
[10:14] <daubers> Yes, but the backups are quite slow (and not much changes in the office itself)
[10:14] <mungojerry> having a running argument as to the expected daily % change on our systems
[10:14] <daubers> heh
[10:15] <daubers> I was arguing the toss with someone the other day who's recorded daily changes was less than a tenth of a percent of the total dataset
[10:17] <mungojerry> :-o
[10:17] <mungojerry> i think that's called static :P
[10:18] <mungojerry> our data includes VMs
[10:18] <mungojerry> windows has quite high daily change on quiet system
[10:18] <mungojerry> linux is much lower.
[10:18] <mungojerry> and is more tunable
[10:20] <jacobw> do you backup things outside of the users home directory?
[10:21] <mungojerry> yes, all data and entire VMs
[10:22] <mungojerry> just discovered http://sugru.com/ looks like someting every man should own
[10:24] <jacobw> i'm increasingly convinced that only backing up home directories, conffiles that have changed and data like mysql dumps and Maildirs is good for most use cases
[10:24] <jacobw> ubuntu + overlay of stuff that makes it server X
[10:25] <mungojerry> unfortunately the enterprise has all sorts of apps that are complex
[10:25] <mungojerry> virtualisation makes restoration of service a million times easier now though
[10:26] <mungojerry> and consultations have tendency to only recommend windows, and PHBs have tendency to do what highly paid 3rd parties tend to recommend
[10:27] <gord> i've started developing in a VM recently, its so much nicer to go, oops. shouldn't of upgraded, everythings broke. restore snapshot!
[10:27] <davmor2> gord: christel needs to annoy you
[10:28] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:28] <gord> then i'm closed for business! no more customers today
[10:29] <christel> oh i cant remember what i wanted you for
[10:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: hey dude, steak minus 8hours  and counting
[10:29] <gord> fantastic
[10:29] <christel> oh sweets.. davmor2 said you had to tell me about some Amazing Japanese Sweets
[10:29] <mungojerry> japanese colleague brought amazing sweets. found out they were sweets but dried white bait UGHGH
[10:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: we shall see. I had steak at the weekend. Don't know if WS's one will live up to the high standard
[10:30] <gord> christel, http://gordallott.com/+ i share them on my google + thing every two weeks, have a service that sends me japanese candy twice a month :)
[10:30] <bigcalm> christel: gord likes to eat the most disgusting things. I'll swallow almost anything, but not what he has to offer...
[10:30] <ali1234> o_O
[10:31] <bigcalm> Please don't read bad things into that statement!
[10:31] <mungojerry> ^-^
[10:31] <gord> the sweet potato candy i got last time was delish
[10:31] <christel> sweet potato candy.. fantastic
[10:31] <christel> bigcalm: :o
[10:31] <christel> bigcalm: what were these ones he made you guys try? :)
[10:31] <mungojerry> ali1234, the dd direct to usb didn't work :(
[10:32] <davmor2> christel: That's why I said annoy gord,  I'm pretty sure it was sour pear something or other
[10:32] <bigcalm> christel: a question for gord
[10:33] <christel> gord: is it like Surprise stuff or do you select preferences or something? :)
[10:33] <bigcalm> That 'sweet' was one hell of a surprise
[10:34]  * mungojerry wants sweets now
[10:34] <gord> it was umboshi candy, umboshi is a pickled plum dish that japanese people love but its an aquired taste that i think is fun to surprise people with
[10:34] <mungojerry> eric the elephant mmm
[10:34] <ali1234> mungojerry: the ISO does have to be specially made to do it. ubuntu ISOs should work
[10:34] <ali1234> what ISO are you trying to use?
[10:34] <shauno>  I tried some recently that were licorice & chilli. that was .. confusing
[10:35] <gord> christel, its a surprise, basically the guy running it selects 2-3 candies and stuffs 400 envelopes with them and mails them out to people all over the world. he sends out really nice emails explaining what everything is i think the how it works on http://candyjapan.com explains it better than i ever could
[10:35] <mungojerry> ali1234, i used an elementaryOS nightly build. however since this is based off ubuntu i'm using the ubuntu startup disk creator now, whic
[10:36] <mungojerry> h should work i hope
[10:36] <christel> gord: ooh danke
[10:51] <mungojerry> elementary is looking really neat atm
[11:03] <bigcalm> Any body know of a good tut on writing init.d scripts?
[11:07] <jacobw> they're not that standardized
[11:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: for what system? Don't forget you have upstart and systemd now instead
[11:07] <bigcalm> Debian 6.0 (squeeze)
[11:08] <jacobw> they just respond to !$ and start/stop/restart the process with whatever mechanisms available
[11:08] <jacobw> Uh, $1 even
[11:08] <directhex> bigcalm, cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/myscript
[11:09] <bigcalm> directhex: ta
[11:09] <jacobw> upstart/systemd is much more logical, but upstart has some limitation and systemd isn't really implmented anywhere
[11:09] <directhex> bigcalm, nano /etc/init.d/myscript
[11:09] <bigcalm> directhex: latter part a bit patronising :)
[11:09] <bigcalm> "nano -w" ftw
[11:10] <directhex> i've been a professional linux systems manager for 8 years, and i use nano :D
[11:10] <ali1234> i once went to a job interview and they asked me "vi or emacs?"
[11:10] <ali1234> and i said "nano"
[11:10] <davmor2> directhex: that's cause nano rocks
[11:11] <bigcalm> directhex: sounds like you're introducing yourself at an AA meeting
[11:12] <davmor2> directhex: plus it sounds like an episode of mork and mindy when you say it twice :D
[11:13] <mungojerry> daubers, the 800-900MB/s was against how many disks?
[11:13] <mungojerry> ali1234, did you get the job?
[11:13] <daubers> mungojerry: 16
[11:13] <mungojerry> i grew up on solaris, so vi all the way
[11:13] <mungojerry> daubers, thanks
[11:14] <mungojerry> what's the SAN/NAS?
[11:15] <daubers> mungojerry: Something I designed/built :) Was a xeon based nas with an areca card in it
[11:16] <ali1234> mungojerry: no
[11:19] <gord> i grew up on a zx spectrum, so uh... zx basic interperator all the way?
[11:22] <davmor2> gord: I bet you are really glad that there is that spectrum emulator then :D
[11:22] <gord> wouldn't get any work done without it!
[11:30] <dutchie> daubers: happy birthday (if facebook isn't lying)
[11:31] <directhex> who would do that? just go on the internet and post lies?
[11:43] <daubers> dutchie: Ta
[11:43] <daubers> directhex: Everyone eva?
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> daubers: lies? what are those?
[11:47] <daubers> MartijnVdS: According to various governments, facts.
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> ah ok, that's good then
[11:49] <hoover> hi folks
[11:50] <davmor2> hey hoover
[11:50] <christel> happy daubers day \o/
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> is it daubers day?
[11:50]  * davmor2 congratulates daubers on making it another year
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> congratifications! :)
[11:51] <daubers> ta
[12:16]  * popey waves to hoover
[12:34] <hoover> hey popey
[12:34] <hoover> thanks for your support mate ;-)
[12:34] <popey> np
[12:36] <hoover> I hope all goes well tonight. I would have expected 12.04 to work well on such a relatively recent machine, but who knows
[12:37] <hoover> one thing I noted is that the gpu fans run at full speed with the latest nvidia binaries, so I hope it's possible to downgrade to an earlier version
[12:38] <hoover> (unless the bug's been fixed in the newest drivers, of course)
[12:42] <mungojerry> hoover, what version of nvidia driver you on?
[12:43] <popey> chaps..
[12:43] <popey> Quadro NVS 290/PCI/SSE2 if someone has that card...
[12:44] <hoover> 195.xx ATM
[12:44] <popey> and they have the 173 nvidia binary driver..
[12:44] <hoover> 12.04.1 lts? ;-)
[12:47] <popey> hmmm
[12:49]  * bigcalm wibbles back into the office
[12:50] <mungojerry> i seem to have 304.43 nvidia driver version
[12:52] <hoover> yep I ended up with 195.xx by trial and error, seeing which one would not show the 100% fan speed problem
[12:52] <hoover> I think the newest one was 295.xx or thereabouts back then
[12:53] <mungojerry> hoover, which card you have?
[12:53] <diplo> popey: Is their a way to find out what package a meta? package installs like mail-server^ ?
[12:54] <mungojerry> i am using a PPA to get the newer one on 12.04
[12:58] <hoover> hey biggie
[12:58] <hoover> mungojerry: and 8800GT
[12:59] <bigcalm> Afternoon hoovie
[12:59] <mungojerry> hoover, 304.43 is supported for 8800gt http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-304.43-driver.html
[13:00] <hoover> mungojerry: thanks
[13:01] <mungojerry> as mentioned , i'm getting it from a PPA on 12.04, but it's been stable for me, and newer is generally better for nvidia drivers
[13:01] <hoover> I'd use the latest drivers if the fan problem has been fixed. I guess I'll find out tonight.
[13:08] <popey> diplo, section: metapackages
[13:09] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop | grep Section
[13:09] <popey> Section: metapackages
[13:09] <diplo> ta
[13:16] <Laney> apt-get install foo^ installs a task
[13:16] <Laney> tasksel --list-tasks
[13:19] <diplo> I just wanted to see what packages the task installed
[13:19] <diplo> Or whether I should just install manually
[13:20] <jussi> AlanBell: you about at the moment?
[13:23] <hoover> ok folks laters all
[13:26] <Goshawk> hi
[13:29] <Goshawk> I could use some help trying to sort out a problem with an external hd, can anyone help?
[13:29] <BigRedS> Goshawk: we wont know until you tell us what the problem is :)
[13:38] <Goshawk> ok, long story but basically i installed ubuntu on to an eternal hd by accident and i need the data that is on it. I ran a recovery program and can find all the data (mp3s etc) but i cant do anything with it because its locked, ubuntu is telling me i dont have permission to use it. So the question is how do i get ubuntu off the ex-hd without loosing all of the other stuff?
[13:39] <jacobw> run as root
[13:39] <BigRedS> just to be clear, the recovery program has made it such that you can see all these files in a normal file browser?
[13:39] <Goshawk> yes, but all the files have a padlock sign on them
[13:40] <_serial_> chown it
[13:40] <_serial_> them even
[13:40] <jacobw> run as root is less change :)
[13:41] <Goshawk> how do i do that?
[13:41] <jussi> jacobw: less change, more danger :P
[13:41] <_serial_> sudo chown -R username:username /path/to/files/*
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> ♫ I ain't afraid of no root!
[13:42] <jacobw> yes, you're right, it would be safer to chown them to be readable to your user only.
[13:42] <jussi> MartijnVdS: welcome to windows...
[13:43] <Goshawk> is there a way to just uninstall ubuntu from the hd?
[13:44] <_serial_> run gparted and remove the partition, you can do that from live cd/dvd/usb or install it on your system
[13:45] <_serial_> remember to backup though
[13:47] <BigRedS> that will delete everything in the partition, though
[13:47] <_serial_> does the task though?
[13:49] <jacobw> yes, but i think it would be much better to recover and verify the 'lost' data first
[13:49] <Goshawk> for sure
[13:50] <_serial_> true but i did say backup :)
[13:52] <jacobw> Ok, so find the path of one of the files that you can see in the file browser, and test using `chown youruser. /path/to/file` to make it accessible to your user
[13:54] <BigRedS> there's no way, given a volume with a Ubuntu install and some other stuff on it to simply remove allthe Ubuntu bits and leave the other stuff
[13:55] <BigRedS> That took forever to actually be sent...
[14:01] <Goshawk> ok, working on it now, thanks for the help
[14:44] <AlanBell> o/ jussi
[14:47] <davmor2> jussi: that's administrator though right
[14:58] <Goshawk> Can anyone tell how to change the root permissions?
[14:59] <diplo> chown user:user file
[14:59] <diplo> with sudo
[14:59] <diplo> so for me it would be : sudo chown andy: file.txt or something
[15:00] <diplo> if you don't add a second argument after the : it will use the same name for the group
[15:01] <Goshawk> awesome, thanks for that
[15:01] <diplo> If you want to do a directory and all it's file inside you can do sudo chown -R andy: dirname/
[15:02] <Goshawk> ah, ok cheers :)
[15:17] <bigcalm> Goshawk: that was for ownership, did you want to change permissions? Two different things
[15:19] <diplo> So it is, I got a bit mized up from above i think :/
[15:20] <Goshawk> im recovering lost data from an ex-hd and i just need to be able to move it around and rename the folder etc
[15:20] <diplo> Owning the files should be fine then
[15:21] <Goshawk> yeah, seems to be working
[15:23] <bigcalm> Goodo :) Best to check that's what you wanted though
[15:24] <diplo> Very much so
[15:25] <Goshawk> def
[16:05] <BigRedS> I've a mac with OSX and a Boot Camped Windows 7 on it. Is there a sane way to get Ubuntu in there?
[16:05] <BigRedS> where sane means I can give this back to the owner and never have to see it again :)
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> ask popey :)
[16:14] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: it's sane, and possible, you need to resize the disks, install refit, and when you install ubuntu, make sure you point the boot loader to the devier that has / on it
[16:14] <SuperMatt> look up mactel for more info
[16:15] <SuperMatt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
[16:15] <SuperMatt> that's it!
[16:15] <SuperMatt> right there
[16:27] <BigRedS> aha, cheers SuperMatt!
[16:50]  * MartijnVdS plays with svg and javascript
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> it seems to be working :)
[16:51] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: must be broken then, nothing is meant to work right first time
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> well I've been trying all afternoon
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> and it only started to work an hour ago
[17:03] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: then you're doing it right keep up the good work :D
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I now have a map (downloaded from OSM as SVG), and put some (also SVG) icons on it
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> that I can blink red or green based on "fping" results
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> (getting closer to the Jurassic Park "park map" display! ;))
[17:06] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: you really need help ;)
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: you didn't say the magic word!
[17:09] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Don't worry I made a call, the men in white coats are on their way with a tight fitting jacket that fastens at the back just for you, they have a nice comfy padded room for you :D
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> oooh padded room!
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> I'll be safe from the velociraptors there
[17:19] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: well at least until the tear through the wall
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> I wonder how I could make this more generic
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> the whole ping/map thing
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> all I need is some js, a small script that fpings the hosts and returns the result in json
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> (which I have now)
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> but adding new markers to the map is hardness :(
[17:52] <diplo> evening all
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> hi diplo
[17:57] <diplo> Right, finish work on web stuff.. come home onto a private web job
[17:57]  * diplo thought I'd stopped doing these things
[17:57] <diplo> :)
[18:00] <pinky-> Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein Quote
[18:01] <diplo> Ones work, others for a charity
[18:01] <diplo> So not sure how I feel :D
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> woo.. RIPE is down to its last v4 block
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> its last /10 even
[18:44] <marsilainen> hi all, anyone got any idea how long before 'ubuntu for android' will become available?
[18:44] <diplo> Hmm a start of a theme, learning it as I go along :D
[18:44] <diplo> http://pap.olpid.co.uk/
[18:45] <diplo> marsilainen: I believe it's still in testing/R&D faze, works on a Moto Atrix if you have one
[18:45] <diplo> afaik no dates set
[18:46] <marsilainen> ok, thanks, interesting
[20:20] <wol> d
[21:16] <brobostigon> good night everyone,sleep eell.
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/Ox5iN.jpeg
[21:28] <popey> hah MartijnVdS
[21:33] <popey> ali1234, drumoff needs friendly URLs turned on
[21:33] <popey> http://drumoff.tv/?page_id=8 is fugly
[21:34] <popey> http://drumoff.tv/?page_id=6 should be /rules
[21:34] <popey> http://drumoff.tv/?page_id=4 /about etc
[21:39] <Goshawk_> Anyone good with sound cards?
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> !ask
[21:43] <Goshawk_> ok, how do i find out the make and model of the sound card? and where do i get the drivers?
[21:43] <stuphi> lspci?
[21:43] <MartijnVdS> Goshawk_: it should just work
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> Goshawk_: check /proc/asound/cards
[21:49] <Goshawk_> 'command not found'
[21:49] <MartijnVdS> Goshawk_: cat /proc/asound/cards
[21:50] <Goshawk_> nice, cheers for that


[00:39] <James147> Just installed karmic alpha4 and am unable to connect to wireless connections (secured or unsecured). Wireless card is Intel wireless/Pro 4965AGN.
[00:47] <amason_> James147: yeh
[00:47] <amason_> i had that too
[00:48] <James147> there any workaround or fix?
[00:49] <amason_> i just plugged in an external wifi card until it gets resolved but i remember looking into it. i think possibly the firmware location was incorrect.
[00:50] <amason_> maybe that was on one of my other boxes
[00:50] <amason_> have a look in the logs
[00:50] <amason_> if thats the case you will see it complaining
[00:50] <James147> where are the logs?
[00:52] <amason_> \/var/log/messages
[00:56] <James147> looks like the fireware loaded fine
[00:56] <James147> firmware ^^
[00:56] <amason_> oh ok, maybe i am imaging it then.
[00:57] <amason_> you ubuntu or kubuntu
[00:57] <amason_> ?
[00:59] <James147> kubuntu
[01:02] <amason_> are you using the knetworkmanager systray app ?
[01:02] <James147> yeah
[01:03] <amason_> are you fully up to date ?
[01:03] <James147> dosent seem to be doing anything
[01:03] <James147> its a fresh install of alpha 4... no updates (need network for that ;) )
[01:03] <amason_> thats why
[01:03] <amason_> until sat night it wasn't working at all
[01:03] <amason_> in any version of kubuntu
[01:03] <amason_> maybe it was friday
[01:03] <amason_> anyway
[01:04] <amason_> when you update it will work
[01:05] <James147> the question now is how do you update without an internet connection?
[01:05] <amason_> well you have to physically plug it in
[01:05] <James147> ethernet port is completely broken, wireless is the only option :(
[01:05] <James147> do the older version of karmic work?
[01:06] <amason_> no
[01:06] <amason_> you can install nm-applet
[01:06] <amason_> which is the gnome client
[01:06] <amason_> but you need a network for that too
[01:06] <James147> I know, will try
[01:06] <amason_> there is the cli app
[01:06] <amason_> that will prolly work
[01:07] <James147> installing packages from a usb live is teh same as for a cdrom live disk?
[01:07] <amason_> if you have the same structure yes
[01:08] <James147> it need to be mounted in /mount/cdrom?
[01:13] <amason_> no, you just need to place the correct path in your sources file
[01:15] <spO> well, dvdrebuilder feature of queuing projects does not work well in wine. Thus, i will have to use my windows desktop to re-encode dvd9 to dvd5 because i don't want poor quality i would get with a non CCE encoder
[01:22] <amason_> spO ok
[01:56] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/411688
[02:21] <darthanubis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7835999#post7835999
[03:06] <DanaG> oh hey, I figured out where my last 100 megabytes of RAM go: it's "hardware reserved".
[03:11] <bjsnider> linux will grab all of your ram and cache it
[03:13] <bjsnider> linux won't operate for more than a few seconds or minutes on a system with bad ram
[03:15] <DanaG> Who are you talking to?  I didn't say anything about bad ram.  =P
[03:15] <DanaG> I was referring to when I had previously asked:
[03:15] <DanaG> "hmm, I have 4 gigs (4096 megabytes) of RAM in my box; why does Linux see only somewhere over 3 gigs?
[03:16] <DanaG> I think it's like 3972, or something like that.
[03:16] <bjsnider> DanaG, i was just making the point that it's normal for linux to use all of your ram
[03:16] <DanaG> ah, yeah, I have 3996 megs usable, according to Windows.
[03:16] <DanaG> I wonder what that "hardware reserved" bit is all about.
[03:17] <DanaG> s/bit/thing/
[03:32] <mpontillo> just updated my laptop to Karmic... sadly, my SD card reader no longer works (though I see "tifm_core: MMC/SD card detected in socket 0:1" in /var/log/messages). DeviceKit-disks issue I assume? Anyone have debug tips?
[03:35] <mpontillo> ... never mind, it worked on the 2nd try. *shrug* and I found the "devkit-disks" command which seems to have plenty of debug utility.
[03:51] <DanaG> ugh, pulseaudio insists on starting with all devices muted.
[03:54] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/pulseaudio/+bug/352732
[03:57] <andresmujica> DanaG are you using 32Bits or 64Bits?
[03:57] <DanaG> 64-bit.
[03:57] <andresmujica> hmmm.. you should see all your ram... curious..
[03:58] <bjsnider> yeah, but that's different. it's not being held back because of mathematical limits
[03:58] <DanaG> It sees 3866 in Linux.
[03:59] <DanaG> In Windows, it sees 3996.
[04:00] <DanaG> er, that's M.
[04:00] <DanaG> 3958864 bytes.
[04:03] <DanaG> or rather, kilobytes.
[04:03] <darthanubis> linux sees all of your ram, reporting 3.8Gs of 4.0 is not an issue
[04:04] <darthanubis> if you type free in cli what does it output?
[04:04] <DanaG>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[04:04] <DanaG> Mem:       3958864    2436472    1522392          0     120812     852396
[04:04] <andresmujica> it's perfect!
[04:04] <darthanubis> yeah it is showing 3.9Gs what kind of video card are you running?
[04:05] <DanaG> Discrete, with 256 megs video RAM.
[04:05] <darthanubis> discrete?
[04:05] <DanaG> free -m gives Mem:          3866       2382       1483          0        120        835
[04:05] <darthanubis> as in ?
[04:05] <DanaG> as in separate, not onboard/integrated.
[04:05] <bjsnider> he's using fglrx
[04:05] <darthanubis> right
[04:06] <DanaG> 3866 megabytes.  Windows sees 3996.
[04:06] <darthanubis> Mem:          3962       2329       1633          0        198       1037
[04:06] <darthanubis> and I use a nvidia 9500gt
[04:07] <bjsnider> Mem:          3899       1657       2242          0        226        823
[04:07] <DanaG> It seems odd to me that it changes the "available" part.
[04:08] <darthanubis> what quality are your ram modules?
[04:08] <darthanubis> why am I showing more available ram than you guys?
[04:08] <DanaG> Oddly enough, the resource monitor in Vista said that I had 4096, with 100MB "Hardware Reserved".
[04:08] <DanaG> [   34.917462] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Unshared offset:fc32000, size:3c9000
[04:09] <DanaG> [   34.917464] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Unshared offset:fffb000, size:5000
[04:09] <bjsnider> ask linus
[04:10] <DanaG> oh yeah, and previous 3 lines:
[04:10] <DanaG> [   34.917451] [fglrx] Gart USWC size:1207 M.
[04:10] <DanaG> [   34.917454] [fglrx] Gart cacheable size:479 M.
[04:10] <DanaG> [   34.917459] [fglrx] Reserved FB block: Shared offset:0, size:1000000
[04:10] <andresmujica> bios settings perhaps?
[04:11] <bjsnider> if there is a bios setting that applies, i haven't found it
[04:11] <bjsnider> this ishn't a laptop
[04:11] <DanaG> http://h20464.www2.hp.com/results.htm?SID=3781677&MEID=C864490D-FA4D-4A84-B608-FF42E4BB5347 -- flash thingamajigger that shows the BIOS settings available.
[04:13] <ding> 7.7 G on 9.04 64 bit (system monitor)
[04:14] <ding> Mem:     8083236
[04:16] <ding> -m     7893
[04:18] <bjsnider> DanaG, where did you see this "hardware reserved" message?
[04:18] <DanaG> That was under Win7, in the Resource Monitor thingy.
[04:20] <bjsnider> i think this might be a mathematical issue
[04:35] <MTeck> any ideas how to look up really really slow dns lookup times?
[04:35] <bjsnider> switch to opendns
[04:36] <MTeck> bjsnider: 9.04, windows are fine - 9.10 isn't
[04:36] <bjsnider> windows is fine
[04:46] <mac_v> DanaG: kernel is loaded into memory , that is why you see the difference
[04:50] <DanaG> ah, is the difference exactly the size of the kernel?
[04:51] <mac_v> DanaG: yes
[04:52] <DanaG> I see... so Windows just puts the kernel in the "used" part; Linux subtracts from the total.
[04:52] <MTeck> mac_v: what happens if you don't have that much ram?
[04:52] <mac_v> hehe , i had the same "worry" , then went digging into the cause and found out kernel size = memory less displayed
[04:53] <mac_v> MTeck: i dont think there can ever be less , kernel takes little of the available , but i'm just guessing
[04:54] <MTeck> mac_v: what I mean is if the system only has 64MB RAM
[04:54] <MTeck> It can't load the whole kernel into ram
[04:54] <mac_v> MTeck: thats why we have minimum requirement , and pupy linux
[04:54] <MTeck> mac_v: I've run Ubuntu on 64mb
[04:55] <MTeck> heck, I've seen it done in 16mb a year or two ago
[04:55] <mac_v> as i said , for your question i'm just guessing , but the less memory shown is due to kernel
[04:56] <mac_v>  maybe kernel loads only when there is enough memory to spare ... also another guess ;)
[04:57] <MTeck> that would make sense
[04:58] <DanaG> 3996-3866 = 130.
[04:58] <DanaG> I doubt the kernel is that big.
[04:59] <MTeck> it's not :P
[05:00] <DanaG> =þ
[05:00] <mac_v> DanaG: when install/uninstall a kernel , it will show the kernel size is around 100MiB
[05:00] <DanaG> That includes modules, though.
[05:00] <mac_v> always >100
[05:00] <DanaG> the kernel core itself is vmlinux.
[05:01] <DanaG> I'm not sure how modules factor into the "free".
[05:01] <MTeck> it's amazing how small the kernel is is - especially for how much code work goes into it
[05:01] <mac_v> DanaG: i found the ans via google <hint> ;)
[05:01] <MTeck> how how big the diff files are
[05:12] <MTeck> solved slow dns lookup
[05:13] <MTeck> removed  domain HomeNetML  search HomeNetML  nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>  from /etc/resolv.conf
[05:13] <MTeck> not sure which one fixed it
[05:17] <durt> hey folks, latest update of nvidia-185 errors out with 'screen(s) found but none with usable configuration' in Xorg.0.log. I have nothing in xorg.log. Nothing else has been changed. Any clues?
[05:18] <durt> er, s/xorg.log/xorg.conf
[05:18] <zaccour> howdy yall. how is the new distro coming along? is it stable?
[05:19] <durt> zaccour, it could be for some peoples configuration and for some not. And it could break next week, or be stable next week.
[05:20] <zaccour> durt, how is it for you?
[05:20] <durt> broken
[05:20] <bucky> i upgraded from jaunty today and i like the way the nvidia driver works better
[05:20] <durt> in other words, it's still in developement and is still changing
[05:21] <bucky> i had to list snd_intel8x0 in /etc/modules to get my sound working again
[05:22] <zaccour> thanks
[07:06] <dergringo> Hi. I have serious problems with the Nvidia driver (installed with envyng). The problem exists since Jaunty why I tried Karmic. This is a ThinkPad T61 and the screen freezes (black) when starting. As mentioned before I had the same issue with Jaunty.
[07:07] <bucky> i installed Version: 185.18.36-0ubuntu1 with apt-get and it works flawlessly for me
[07:09] <dergringo> bucky, ok. What's the name of the package you installed?
[07:35] <bucky> dergringo, nvidia-glx-185
[07:36] <dergringo> bucky, thank you
[07:37] <bucky> dergringo, try to uninstall the other driver if you can first
[07:37] <bucky> dergringo, hopefully envyng has an option for that..
[07:38] <bucky> man envyng
[07:38] <dergringo> bucky, I wasn't able to boot the recovery mode. So I just did a fresh install ;(
[07:39] <bucky> i had to set it up with sudo nvidia-xconfig  and restart X after the install
[07:40] <bucky> dergringo ^^
[07:42] <MTeck> ok - so now I need to figure out how to make <IP_ADDRESS> show up in resolv.conf
[07:42] <MTeck> any ideas how?
[07:43] <MTeck> When that's listed in there - dns resolve time is really really long
[07:43] <dergringo> MTeck, "to show up"? Do you want to set a manual DNS entry?
[07:43] <MTeck> ya
[07:43] <dergringo> MTeck, add it to /etc/hosts
[07:44] <MTeck> how do I do that?
[07:44] <dergringo> -> <IP_ADDRESS> www.example.com
[07:44] <MTeck> hu?
[07:44] <MTeck> no
[07:44] <dergringo> sudo nano /etc/hosts
[07:44] <MTeck> I don't want to add a dns entry for every place I might go
[07:45] <DanaG> why do you need dns entries for things?
[07:45] <DanaG> oh yeah, handy hint: check out dnsmasq.
[07:45] <DanaG> You can run a local caching dns server.
[07:45] <MTeck> the local router is making dns lookup take a very long time
[07:45] <DanaG> hmm, what sort of router?
[07:46] <MTeck> belkin
[07:46] <dergringo> bucky, ok so I install nvidia-glx-185, then run nvidia-xconfig and then restart X. right?
[07:46] <MTeck> If I remove that line in resolv.conf then everything zips along
[07:48] <DanaG> argh, why does policykit no longer allow "remember authentication"?
[07:49] <MTeck> no ideas then?
[07:49] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-gnome/+bug/371019
[07:50] <dergringo> MTeck, set up a dns server
[07:52] <dergringo> Damn. Black Screen again
[07:53] <MTeck> dergringo: a relatively useless suggestion..
[07:53] <MTeck> roaming system...
[07:53] <DanaG> no, you can have dnsmasq on your box itself.
[07:54] <DanaG> hmm, try to figure out if you can run dd-wrt or "tomato" on the router.
[07:54] <DanaG> "tomato" is more stable, but less fancy.
[07:54]  * MTeck walks away
[07:56] <DanaG> I used to be stuck with a Netgear router that either refused to give me an IP address, or gave me the same IP address another system was already using.
[07:57] <DanaG> I finally just had to ditch the thing and get a new router.
[07:58] <Cyberkilla> Sehr gut
[07:58] <Cyberkilla> IRSSI is the be client ever:O
[07:58] <Cyberkilla> Hhello everyone.
[07:58] <Cyberkilla> *hello
[07:59] <MTeck> all better :)
[07:59] <dergringo> tomato ftw ;)
[07:59] <MTeck> Cyberkilla: please don't spam this channel
[08:00] <eagles0513875> im impressed with karmics performance with the latest version of vbox
[08:00] <eagles0513875> and 384mb of ram
[08:00] <dergringo> 64bit?
[08:00] <MTeck> I just setup prepend on the system. I'm not going to make the router better - so I setup opendns do be the first listed
[08:01] <MTeck> now I need to fix the left alt key and I'll be happy with karmic
[08:01] <eagles0513875> dergringo: ya on windows vista 64bit host os with vbox 64bit and 64bit karmic
[08:02] <Mandrew_> the 9.10 crashes when i try to enter the key short cuts
[08:02] <dergringo> How do I set a shortcut for "show the desktop"? :)
[08:02] <eagles0513875> sweet didnt know the installer gota  revamp when you go stright to the installation process instead of booting to the desktop
[08:27] <Cyberkilla> brb
[09:14] <AnAnt> anyone tried wine1.2 ?
[09:45] <kavurt> Every time, when I turn off computer, I leave Quassel as full screen, to find it full screen when I boot next time. But, although some other apps comes back as full screen, Quassel comes resized. I should press full screen button after every boot. I use Kubuntu Karmic Alpha. Is it Quassel's problem, or Kubuntu's?
[10:40] <edgy> Hi, previously there was a restore grub option when we boot the liveCD, why is it gone, please?
[11:17] <nocturn> Hi, what will be the default IRC client installed with Karmic?
[11:18] <shadeslayer> nocturn: quassel i think
[11:21] <nocturn> shadeslayer, quassel is for Kubuntu, it's a KDE app
[11:22] <shadeslayer> nocturn: you did not mention KDE or GNOME,and since i use Kubuntu so i answered quassel
[11:23] <nocturn> shadeslayer, I didn't mention it indeed :-)
[11:30] <nocturn> BTW, how do you change sound effects in Ubuntu/Karmic?  This dialog is completely removed, as is the visual bell setting
[11:34] <edgy> Hi, I activated the ati driver and now i cannot boot, I removed the xorg.conf file but still cannot boot, how can I revert back?
[11:34] <nocturn> edgy, try removing the ati packages
[11:35] <shadeslayer> edgy: you remove xorg.conf ?? :o
[11:35] <nocturn> don't know what they are called
[11:35] <shadeslayer> edgy: try the fix x thing in the recovery console
[11:35] <edgy> shadeslayer: that option is not available in karmic!
[11:36] <shadeslayer> edgy: uh...it is
[11:36] <edgy> nocturn: ok I would try to find them and remove them
[11:36] <edgy> shadeslayer: it is not there belive me
[11:36] <nocturn> edgy, shadeslayer is right, at grub, choose recovery
[11:36] <nocturn> this should give you a text-meny
[11:37] <nocturn> x-recovery is one of the items in that
[11:37] <edgy> nocturn: in Karmic this X option is not there anymore
[11:37] <edgy> shadeslayer, nocturn: I will reboot now and recheck anyway
[11:38] <edgy> see you sirs,
[11:38] <shadeslayer> edgy: sure
[11:50] <Cyberkilla> What's happening? : )
[11:50] <Cyberkilla> I wish someone would do a blog on the development plans.
[11:51] <Cyberkilla> There should be an official Ubuntu blog for all the main devs to dump their progress reports.
[11:51] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: hehe
[11:51] <Cyberkilla> Is there eanything like that?: )
[11:51] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: www.whatbreakingtodayonubuntu.com ?
[11:52] <Cyberkilla> ooh
[11:52] <Cyberkilla> You know, I actually check that, just in case:P
[11:52] <shadeslayer> haha
[11:52] <Cyberkilla> I can never be certain with the people in this room:)
[11:53] <edgy> hi, as I told you the options are only "resume, clean, dpkg, fsck, grub, netroot, root" there is no fix X option shadeslayer
[11:53] <Cyberkilla> I wonder what the art drop has in store.
[11:53] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: have you seen planetubnuntu ? (cant think of anything else)
[11:53] <edgy> but I removed everythig with fglrx and removed the xorg.conf file and now I can boot
[11:53] <Cyberkilla> Hmm, I'll check it out.
[11:53] <Cyberkilla> Thanks
[11:53] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: also see #ubuntu-devel
[11:53] <Cyberkilla> Interesting
[11:54] <shadeslayer> edgy: and any other problems?
[11:54] <Cyberkilla> A few years ago, Ubuntu was touting XMPP as the new protocol to use.
[11:54] <Cyberkilla> But the quality of the clients is pretty poor.
[11:54] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: there is a wiki too,it has everything which is completed and the wip and to do things
[11:55] <Cyberkilla> I've been checking the recent changes on the wiki.
[11:55] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: :)
[11:55]  * shadeslayer thinks there should be a RSS feed...
[11:55] <edgy> shadeslayer: yes, I don't have kde now as an option in kdm!
[11:55] <shadeslayer> edgy: :o
[11:55] <shadeslayer> edgy: make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed
[11:59] <Cyberkilla> I've never warmed to KDe
[11:59] <Cyberkilla> *KDE
[12:00] <Cyberkilla> I find its interface visually displeasing. I like the crispness of GNOME, and its simplistic yet customisable approach.
[12:01] <edgy> shadeslayer: thanks a lot for this tip, I don't know how bu it's really not installed though it was working before, I would reinstall it and check ...
[12:01] <Cyberkilla> My only hate in GNOME is the notification area. That thing is terrible. The icons don't align properly, you can't hide any of them, plus the icons behave strangely if you make the panel thicker.
[12:01] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: really? gnome as customizable?
[12:01] <shadeslayer> edgy: ;)
[12:01] <Cyberkilla> What is it that KDE can customise that cannot be achieved in GNOME?
[12:02] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: gnome has no proper widgets for facebook and gtalk
[12:02] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: no widgets for a torrent manager
[12:02] <edgy> Cyberkilla: I remember linus spoke about printer configuration or something that is hidden in gnome, too
[12:02] <Cyberkilla> Widgets? I don't think that should be part of GNOME directly
[12:02] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: no multiple wallpapers on each desktop
[12:02] <Cyberkilla> That isn't very useful either.
[12:03] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: really? widgets are the way to go imho
[12:03] <Cyberkilla> But can be done in Compiz anyway
[12:03] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: not as prettily as in KDE
[12:03] <Cyberkilla> They so aren't:P In Vista, I couldn't find a single gadget that was useful to me.
[12:03] <Cyberkilla> On the iPod touch, there are only ~3 apps that are of any use.
[12:04] <Cyberkilla> Everything has novelty value, deep down.
[12:04] <Cyberkilla> Like a New Mail widget...
[12:04] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: i have 4 widgets : facebook,twitter,gtalk,desktop folder
[12:04] <Cyberkilla> You should be notified of new mail via proper notification subsystems.
[12:04] <Cyberkilla> In addition KDE3 was touted as more customisable too, but that didn't have widgets, did it?
[12:05] <Cyberkilla> So what the heck made that so grand?: )
[12:05] <Cyberkilla> Widgets are cool though, I admit
[12:05] <Cyberkilla> screenlets were a bit letdown.
[12:05] <Cyberkilla> I would like something like the OSX dashboard, personally
[12:05] <Cyberkilla> Something to put stock prices on, calendar, etc.
[12:05] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: you can do that in KDE (without the need for a seprate dock)
[12:06] <Cyberkilla> To me, KDE feels a bit like windows XP luna. It's chunky and inefficient.
[12:06] <Cyberkilla> No offense intended here.
[12:06] <Cyberkilla> I just can't get myself to like it.
[12:06] <shadeslayer> of course
[12:06] <Cyberkilla> For instance...
[12:06] <nocturn> Cyberkilla, have you tried kde4?
[12:06] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: difference of opinion
[12:07] <nocturn> that used to be my biggest argument against KDE3
[12:07] <Cyberkilla> The taskbar of KDE has huge task buttons, but no more information than is displayed in GNOME or windows
[12:07] <Cyberkilla> : )
[12:07] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: what? have you seen stasks ?
[12:07] <Cyberkilla> Stacks in KDE?
[12:07] <Cyberkilla> Or stacks in leopard?
[12:08] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: stasks not stacks
[12:08] <Cyberkilla> oh
[12:08] <Cyberkilla> No, I haven't.
[12:08] <shadeslayer> !info plasma-widget-stasks
[12:09] <Cyberkilla> Off-topic: `htop` is a brilliant alternative to `top` btw. I found it a few days ago.
[12:09] <Cyberkilla> So, you can do away with the taskbar and use a widget?
[12:09] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: the task bar is also a widget :P
[12:09] <Cyberkilla> That is one thing that gnome lacks atm. You can't kill the panel because it also manages keybindings (don't know why).
[12:10] <Cyberkilla> And, you can't kill it for another reason - you need the notification area, because some programs can't do without it.
[12:10] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: hehe
[12:10] <Cyberkilla> If they could sort that out, it would be relative perfection in my opinion.
[12:11] <Cyberkilla> I wonder what the interface of the future will look like.
[12:12] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: there will be no interface...we will be cyborgs
[12:12] <Cyberkilla> I suspect it won't look like LCARS, because it doesn't support windowing.
[12:13] <Cyberkilla> I would be less surprised if it was some sort of touch orientated windowing system, with a slight minority report feel to it (but not so big on the gestures, which are superfluous).
[12:14] <Cyberkilla> Keyboards are definitely being phased out though; certainly physical keyboards, but they will have to exist in some form or another.
[12:15] <Cyberkilla> The main argument is a lack of tactile feedback, but I don't think it's so bad. On my ipod touch, the keys are tiny, yet I manage to type very quickly without much effort.
[12:15] <Cyberkilla> That's partially due to the way it corrects mistyping, so it might be a bit harder if you're programming.
[12:16] <Cyberkilla>  Good blog(s) that'll summarize ubuntu development?
[12:16] <Cyberkilla> Hi!
[12:16] <Cyberkilla> Do you have favourite blogs that will sift through developers blogs, mailing lists and whatnot, summarizing the interesting parts of ubuntu development for lazy people like myself?
[12:16] <Cyberkilla> I didn't say that:O
[12:16] <Cyberkilla> Magix:O
[12:16] <Cyberkilla> Hmm
[12:18] <Cyberkilla> How did you do that? The characters seem to be the same.
[12:19]  * shadeslayer looks at his irssi screen,its full of Cyberkilla
[12:19] <Cyberkilla> yes, but some of it wasn't me
[12:20] <Cyberkilla> How did they do that?
[12:20] <Cyberkilla> There were no nick changes reported to me.
[12:20] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: well it has to be you...
[12:21] <Cyberkilla> Wasn't me
[12:21] <Cyberkilla> I don't say "Hi!"
[12:25] <Cyberkilla> 189 idlers. prolific
[12:36] <dbglt> hey folks, just wondering if there are any problems with me simply installing the nvidia driver I want via apt? I normally do it manually from the nvidia website, but would be nice to have it part of apt?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> dbglt: best to use jockey to install the drivers
[12:39] <dbglt> gnomefreak: oh, jockey is still around!
[12:39] <dbglt> I remember that, thought ubuntu wasn't using it anymore
[12:39] <Cyberkilla> Careful though, because the 185.18.31 drivers have artifacts for me.
[12:39] <Cyberkilla> I have an NVidia GeForce 8400M GT
[12:39] <Cyberkilla> Nobody else seems to report the problem though.
[12:39] <gnomefreak> dbglt: go to System>Preference>hardware drivers
[12:40] <dbglt> Cyberkilla: hrmm a new version is out .36 I think?
[12:41] <dbglt> and there is a beta too... not sure if ubuntu includes that
[12:42] <Cyberkilla> I tried that too.
[12:42] <Cyberkilla> Same issie
[12:42] <Cyberkilla> *issue
[12:42] <Cyberkilla> I'm back to using the older 185.18.14 drivers now.
[12:42] <dbglt> Cyberkilla: hrmm interesting, I've been using the new drivers and beta for a while. Other problems, but no artifacts heh
[12:42] <Cyberkilla> Nobody seems to have a solid reason as to why I experienced artifacts and crashing.
[12:43] <Cyberkilla> They mention something about a missing dependency in the new packages, but I don't buy it.
[12:43] <shadeslayer> Cyberkilla: use the 190 drivers....awesome
[12:43] <Cyberkilla> lol, they don't work for me either.
[12:43] <Cyberkilla> Same artifact issue.
[12:43] <Cyberkilla> Strange, eg?
[12:43] <Cyberkilla> *eh
[12:43] <shadeslayer> totally
[12:44] <Cyberkilla> Of course, every time the package manager pops up, it tries to get me to upgrade to the broken drivers.
[12:44] <Cyberkilla> But blocking them out would be bad too, as there may be updates in the near future.
[12:44] <dbglt> shadeslayer: does ubuntu have a package for beta drivers?
[12:44] <Cyberkilla> It's nearly impossible to find any details on the subject though.
[12:44] <dbglt> does it even have a package for just "generic-newest-nvidia-driver"? or still install a specific version?
[12:44] <Cyberkilla> The odd thing is, 185.18.36 IS the stable release of the driver.
[12:44] <shadeslayer> dbglt: nope,youll have to compile them
[12:44] <shadeslayer> dbglt: quite easy imho
[12:44] <Cyberkilla> jockey handles it
[12:45] <dbglt> shadeslayer: do you get dkms to work with it?
[12:45] <dbglt> shadeslayer: just hate having to do it every new kernel install
[12:45] <shadeslayer> dbglt: theres an automated script to do that...hold on
[12:48] <shadeslayer> oh well
[12:55] <dergringo> Ahh what was the name again of the other dns related config file in /etc along resolv.conf and hosts? I want to change the resolve order
[12:56] <dergringo> got it: nsswitch.conf
[14:57] <torocatala> Hi
[14:58] <torocatala> I have problems whit the privative drivers, cannot install it, ¿is just my system or a buf in Karmic?
[14:58] <torocatala> *bug
[15:00] <torocatala> I am alone?
[15:03] <MrAnderson> You are not alone
[15:07] <IdleOne> Torocatala: answering your own question?
[15:07] <Torocatala> IdleOne, i'm doing a joke of The Kid (Animatrix)
[15:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:27] <arand> Anyone care to confirm  reported by arand  14 minutes ago  (Activity log)
[15:27] <arand> Bug #418135:
[15:27] <arand> This report is public edit
[15:27] <arand> Security vulnerability
[15:28] <arand> argh, sorry
[15:41] <danbhfive> arand: is that a bug?
[15:42] <danbhfive> o wait, the source has its permissions changed, nvm
[15:43] <arand> danbhfive: yea you wanna give a confirm/refute on that? Should apply to KK as well..
[15:48] <danbhfive> arand: Im running an unupdated alpha4 install of ubuntu netbook remix, and I don't see the problem
[15:49] <danbhfive> oh, you are running jaunty
[15:50] <arand> danbhfive: yea, and I know I had the problem on KK before (or so I think, I wasn't able to figure out the cause then)... I'm off to check on my other JJ system as well, cheers for the test :)
[15:51] <danbhfive> np
[17:02] <edgy> Hi dolphin is trying to mount a partition but gave: An error occurred while accessing, the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.InterfaceLocked: The enclosing drive for the volume is locked
[17:13] <BluesKaj> edgy, do you have ntfs-3g installed ?
[17:13] <BluesKaj>  I assume it's a windows partition
[17:13] <edgy> BluesKaj: no, this is an ext3 partition in my HD
[17:16] <BluesKaj> edgy, permissions on the ext3 OS ?  share / , or /home
[17:17] <BluesKaj> err share /home
[17:17] <edgy> BluesKaj: sorry? this is not an nfs. It's just a normal partition in my drive
[17:17] <DanaG> Hal has been deprecated... it should be using devkit-disks.
[17:18] <DanaG> The fact that the error is about hal... is odd.
[17:18] <edgy> DanaG: then why is it using HAL?
[17:18] <DanaG> I don't know; probably a bug.
[17:19] <BluesKaj> edgy, i realize that ext3 is not ntfs , that's why I asked about / and /home
[17:19] <edgy> BluesKaj: can you please rephrase your question? what do you want to know about my / and /home?
[17:20] <BluesKaj> what OS is on the partition ?
[17:21] <edgy> BluesKaj: my / has karmic but the one I want to mount has data only
[17:22] <James147> edgy: does it have an entry for it in /etc/fstab?
[17:22] <edgy> James147: no
[17:22] <BluesKaj> oh , haven't encountered that before ...I have to do some work around here so I'm gone for now
[17:23] <edgy> BluesKaj: np, thanks
[17:23] <James147> edgy: and it can be mounted with mount without forcing it?
[17:24] <edgy> James147: yes
[17:24] <mac_v> hmm... weird! i cant play sounds in two apps simultaneously but when i create a new account , everything works fine! i can play sound in multiple apps!
[17:24] <edgy> James147: I don't even know what you mean by forcing
[17:24] <James147> edgy: then i suggest adding it to fstab so it gets auto mouunted
[17:25] <James147> edgy: think there was an option on mount to force drives to mount that would normally thorw errors
[17:25] <edgy> James147: I know I can do that but I want to prove to a friend that linux is not that difficut from windows and this is my first test ;)
[17:26] <James147> edgy: hehe, have you tryed it with a differnt partition then?
[17:27] <edgy> James147: yes I formatted another partition as ext4 and it worked! though it asked me for the password
[17:28] <James147> edgy: need root to mount things in /media, thats why the password. but there might be a problem on the disk, you could move the data off it and format it again if nothing else works
[17:29] <edgy> James147: thanks a lot I may try that later
[17:31] <James147> edgy: actually, why did it ask for a password :S i have usb drives mounted fine by dolphin without a password
[17:37] <pace_t_zulu> anyone having problems with gnome login?
[17:39] <edgy> pace_t_zulu: i don't ;)
[17:39] <pace_t_zulu> edgy: thanks.... i'm going to check if it's a problem with open-vm-toolbox
[17:40] <pace_t_zulu> indeed it is
[17:47] <edgy> any one having a problem playing sounds in karmic? ;) I cannot hear any sound from my videos using mplayer, smplayer, vlc, dragon ...
[17:52] <James147> edgy: all channels in kmix are unmuted?
[17:52] <James147> edgy: with volumes set appropently
[18:00] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[18:00] <ActionParsnip> is the dontzap package missing from karmic?
[18:02] <James147> ActionParsnip: cant find it via aptitude search dontzap  or even just zap
[18:08] <shadeslayer> hmm,anyone on KDE expereincing the cover flow not working? this happens after everytime i update
[18:13] <commander_> can i download alpha 5 for my laptop?
[18:15] <genii> commander_: Looks like currently alpha4 is latest
[18:15] <genii> eg: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4   works but not http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha5
[18:16] <commander_> is it safe to download on a notebook cuz i usually wait til beta
[18:17] <shadeslayer> commander_: im using alpha 4 and its quite stable.... ive never used a alpha before so the decision is up to you
[18:17] <genii> commander_: I'm running the alpha4 on my laptop but have 9.04 installed as well on a separate partition
[18:18] <commander_> so what they did new on it?
[18:19] <juliux> hi
[18:19] <juliux> where is the right place to add some extra xorg configuration stuff in karmic?
[18:19] <juliux> i just want to add my touchscreen to the configs
[18:20] <genii> juliux: You can still use /etc/X11/xorg.conf   just now it doesn't make one by default
[18:21] <juliux> genii: ok, but then i have to do everything on my self, my idea was just to add some stuff and then also use the autogenerated config
[18:21] <genii> commander_: ext4 and grub2 are what I notice most. Also since on KDE there is KDE4.3 and a bunch of changes within that desktop specifically
[18:30] <cPF> is anyone else expriencing ctrl+c not being received by ssh session here? referring to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/402973
[18:32] <Emme_NK> Hi! What is the current procedure to connect to a Bluetooth PAN in karmic?
[18:32] <genii> cPF: all of them work on this box in both 9.04 and in 9.10
[18:33] <cPF> genii: ok, i see
[18:33] <cPF> do you use ecryptfs ?
[18:33] <genii> cPF: No, none of the mounts are encrypted
[18:34] <genii> (on either end of the ssh)
[18:34] <cPF> i'm pretty sure the behaviour starts after first mount of ecryptfs volume
[18:34] <cPF> i wonder if it is a kernel bug actually
[18:35] <cPF> and it's definently is not related to gnome-terminal or anything
[18:35] <genii> cPF: Where did the bug get assigned to?
[18:35] <cPF> i didin't post that one myself
[18:38] <cPF> and it hasn't been assigned yet (i think)
[18:44] <pace_t_zulu> commander_: alpha 4 is pretty good ... use it on a machine that you aren't too dependent upon ... if it is a work machine you are better off with jaunty until late oct
[18:44] <genii> cPF: I just checked, not assigned yet, yes
[18:50] <cPF> that bug is actually much more critical than it seems because this morning for example i had > 1700 zombie processes generated by cron
[18:51] <cPF> things like closing "screen" session or exiting ssh don't die normally
[18:51] <cPF> i just have to use kill -9
[19:03] <guntbert> where did the "guest session" go? package gdm-guest-session is installed, but I cannot find the menu item anywhere
[19:06] <James147> guntbert: what is it ment to do, dosnt sound like it would be in menu, but more somehting to do with gnome login manager
[19:06] <crdlb> guntbert: I'm guessing the switch to the new gdm broke it
[19:06] <crdlb> ubuntu has been on gdm 2.20 forever, until karmic
[19:08] <guntbert> crdlb: do you suggest reporting a bug?
[19:09] <crdlb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/gdm-guest-session/+bug/404870
[19:10] <guntbert> James147: it is meant to faciliate giving your PC quickly to someone else ("guest") without the need to create an account and still have your privacy protected, in jaunty it is in the "user" applet
[19:11] <guntbert> crdlb: ah, thank you - what was your search term? I#m still a bit clumsy with launchpad
[19:13] <crdlb> I used google: gdm-guest-session karmic
[19:13] <guntbert> crdlb: of course :-) thx
[19:21] <sparr> php is causing apache to segfault, anyone else experiencing that problem?
[19:21] <sparr> at random
[19:22] <commander_> what about IM? can u use a webcam on it ?
[19:23] <xray7224> python FTW ! :D
[19:25] <mac_v> guntbert: the FUSA is supposed to show the Guest option , but it has still not been included
[19:25] <mac_v> it is in development as of now
[19:27] <guntbert> mac_v: I understand, thank you - what is FUSA?
[19:27] <mac_v> guntbert: Fast-user-switch-applet , right now we are only using redhat's user-switch=applet
[19:29] <guntbert> mac_v: I see - some acronyms are a bit difficult for non-english/non-us people :-)
[19:30] <mac_v> guntbert: it is widely referred to as FUSA ;) only some know the expansion
[19:30] <DanaG> hmm, I have "show printers announced by other systems" checked, yet CUPS doesn't see my _pdl-datastream._tcp printer.
[19:30] <DanaG> How do I get cups to show this printer, without me having to manually add it?
[19:30] <DanaG> I want the thing to not show up when the printer is off, or when I'm not where the printer is.
[19:31] <guntbert> mac_v: from now on I'll know both - thx
[21:04] <mac_v> In my account, i cant play sounds in two apps simultaneously but when i create a new account , everything works fine! i can play sound in multiple apps! anyine knwo how i can correct this?
[21:04] <mac_v> know*
[21:14] <CaptainCrook> /dev/tcp planned to be enabled in KK?
[21:23] <BUGabundo> hey
[21:34] <bucky> CaptainCrook, never never never... because debian will not support it... just get the souce file, the diff file and the dsc file and recompile your own deb configured with --disable-net-redirections
[21:35] <CaptainCrook> why not?
[21:35] <bucky> It can produce completely unexpected results. This kind of feature should not be part of a shell but a special. tool. And that tool has existed for years already, it's called netcat.
[21:38] <CaptainCrook> readed that word for word somewhere... what could possibly happen? many enabled it... no known unexpected result yet...
[21:41] <bucky> CaptainCrook, that's the way it is and if you think you're going to change SID and talk debian into changing it... well ...good luck
[21:46] <CaptainCrook> hummm hum... i see...
[21:47] <bucky> CaptainCrook, never never never... because debian will not support it... just get the souce file, the diff file and the dsc file and recompile your own deb configured *without* --disable-net-redirections
[21:47] <bucky> correction ^^
[21:47] <bucky> if you must have it
[21:48] <CaptainCrook> yeah figured that one out... hehe
[21:48] <CaptainCrook> since that what i want to remove...
[21:51] <bucky> CaptainCrook, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[21:59] <bcurtiswx> hey all, is there a way to make pulse use to audio output sources?
[21:59] <bcurtiswx> s/to/two
[22:00] <andresmujica> bcurtiswx:  combine module!! it's great.. buggy but great
[22:00] <bcurtiswx> andresmujica: and how?
[22:01] <andresmujica> paprefs, simultaneous output tab
[22:01] <andresmujica> just check the box.
[22:03] <andresmujica> it has some bugs.. dies after suspending, dies when you plug an usb audio device when no music is playing..
[22:04] <bcurtiswx> haha, they are all usb
[22:04] <bcurtiswx> :-X
[22:07] <andresmujica> with your help we can make those fixed...
[22:08] <bcurtiswx> this mission id you choose to accept it
[22:08] <bcurtiswx> lol
[22:08] <bcurtiswx> if*
[22:35] <pickscrape> Hi, I'm hoping that someone can help me with a dependency problem on karmic alpha. I need to run mysql server 5.0, but akonadi-server is forcing me to 5.1.
[22:40] <BUGabundo> pickscrape: karmic is getting 5.1for default
[22:40] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[22:40] <BUGabundo> miss read
[22:40] <BUGabundo> yah akoadi tends to move ahead
[22:40] <BUGabundo> but usually it uses its own daemon
[22:41] <pickscrape> THat's what I thought.
[22:41] <pickscrape> I can understand it needing the 5.1 libraries to be installed, but it's a bit strange that it would force the entire server on me.
[22:42] <BUGabundo> yeat
[22:42] <BUGabundo> certanlly a regression bug
[22:42] <BUGabundo> already happened on last cycle
[22:44] <pickscrape> I can raise a bug about it if there isn't one already, but in the meantime is there a suitable workaround that I could use to get a 5.0 server up and running?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:47] <BUGabundo> ask the mainter
[22:47] <x1250> pickscrape, use equivs. /j #debian and ask dkpg bot about equivs. /msg dpkg equivs. It will let you do a dummy package.
[22:47] <BUGabundo> can't recall his nick, sorry
[22:47] <pickscrape> x1250: thanks, I'll try that
[22:48] <pickscrape> Would a dependency bug for mysql in ubuntu go against the mysql project on launchpad or somewhere else?
[22:56] <x1250> pickscrape, it would go against the package that has the wrong dependency
[23:57] <akio> anybody get flickering backlight on startup?


[02:15] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:09] <EriC^^> good morning lotuspsychje and all
[03:11] <Eickmeyer> Evening o/
[03:17] <EriC^^> hey Eickmeyer o/
[06:27] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, I investigated the issue, found the problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/2034619
[06:27] -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Launchpad bug 2034619 in linux (Ubuntu Mantic) "[amdgpu] gnome-shell gets SIGKILL'd when lock screen or under heavy load in Wayland" [Undecided, Triaged]
[06:27] <TheWebFox> as for that issue with native messaging it got fixed by closing & reopening
[06:27] <TheWebFox> anyway, I went back to chrome cause it just works
[06:31] <TheWebFox> anyway, I'm always careful to clean out .config and .cache when I uninstall something
[06:43] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, FIXED! put   MUTTER_DEBUG_KMS_THREAD_TYPE=user and lo and behold no more crashes
[06:44] <TheWebFox> so, I'll just wait for 45.1, it's not gsconnect, it's not chrome, I tried without extensions, it still crashed
[06:45] <TheWebFox> (anyway, a fix was already commited to mantic-updates, it's just not up yet, few more days)
[06:46] <TheWebFox> (my Laptop, the only PC that crashes with exactly same setup on both my Intel desktop i7-13700K and my Ryzen 7 6800 HS laptop)
[12:20] <ogra> ubuntu turns 19 today !!
[12:24] <TheWebFox> and still you have to recompile to get the internal microphone working on some laptops LOL
[12:25] <TheWebFox> and the scripts failed, due to glitches in the scripts sigh
[12:25] <TheWebFox> I had to patch the scripts & backport the patch
[12:25] <TheWebFox> zstd needs to have added the -f in the kernel build script, else it fails
[12:28] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000003.html
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> TheWebFox: look what rss found; News from phoronix: Linux 6.5+ Is Great For The Lenovo ThinkPad P14s Gen 4 / AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840U <https://www.phoronix.com/review/linux-65-thinkpad>


[03:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: Thoughts on bug 1775201?
[05:18] <lynorian> tsimonq2, I have written documentation telling people how to use synclient for some things so I can agree and if you have a dodgy touchpad that false clicks synclient touchpadoff is a godsend
 Hmm, yeah it seems pretty important
[05:20] <wxl[m]> @tsimonq2 I agree


[00:16] <ironpillow> hi all, I am installing new ubuntu server on a headless machine. If I select "install security updates automatically", will this restart the machine after the updates are installed.
[00:18] <sarnold> ironpillow: no, it won't
[00:18] <sarnold> ironpillow: the motd should be amended to add:
[00:18] <sarnold> *** System restart required ***
[00:22] <ironpillow> so this WON'T restart correct?
[00:23] <sarnold> correct
[00:23] <ironpillow> sarnold: thanks!
[00:23] <sarnold> $ uptime
[00:23] <sarnold>  00:23:33 up 155 days,  5:08,  3 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[00:23] <sarnold> heh, that machine's been up a lot loonger than I expected
[00:26] <ironpillow> awesome!
[00:32] <Gerowen> On that topic, random thought, what would I dpkg-reconfigure if I wanted to change that option on an existing server installation?  Say I didn't enable automatic updates, and I want to.
[00:42] <sarnold> Gerowen: I *think* apt-get install unattended-upgrades ought to do the right thing
[06:00] <lordievader> Good morning
[12:33] <chl_> ugh, I seem to have forgotten which package I need for being able to ./configure
[12:37] <chl_> nvm, im an idiot. forgot about autoconf
[12:47] <Greyztar> hello,i was wondering when using syctl command would options applied then be reset on reboot and to make it persistent i should edit /etc/sysctl.conf instead?
[12:47] <blackflow> Greyztar: yes, /etc/sysctl.conf or even better a custom file under sysctl.conf.d
[12:48] <Greyztar> blackflow, thanks, i tried to do sysctl --write net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_buckets=$((${conn_count}4)) which seemed to not work after reboot thanks for asnwer (,")
[12:49] <blackflow> Greyztar: btw that expression won't work in the .conf
[12:50] <Greyztar> blackflow, im trying to apply another option aswell,could i perhaps do paste and link what im trying to do so you could sort review it?
[12:51] <blackflow> sure
[12:53] <Greyztar> im trying to limit connections using conntracked module with these two options and an rule in iptables https://paste.debian.net/1082777/
[12:54] <blackflow> Greyztar: where does ${conn_count} come from?
[12:55] <Greyztar> yeah i did some copy pasteing erhm,i dont think its supposed to be there ,i followed i guide ,cant find it no more though,think its just the value
[12:56] <Greyztar> would that make sense?
[12:56] <blackflow> it doesn't. I suggeest you don't set any permanent sysctls if you don't know what you're doing. You'll lock yourself out of the server.
[12:57] <Greyztar> blackflow, yeah ill see if i can find the guide again,good advice also i didnt really think that one through
[12:57] <chl_> has xinetd been removed in 18.04?
[12:59] <blackflow> !info xinetd bionic | nope:
[12:59] <chl_> oh, nifty, thanks
[13:00] <blackflow> then again, there's systemd, so maybe you don't need it at all
[13:04] <disposable2> is there a way in ufw to set 'ufw default deny' on one interface and 'ufw default allow' on another?
[13:18] <Greyztar> just wondering,how long could i possibly stay on 18.04 before it stops getting updates?
[13:21] <Greyztar> thought i read somewhere there was an option to still receive updates after the lts period was over?
[13:22] <blackflow> Greyztar: 5 years, and then optionally pay up for ESM for anotehr 5
[13:22] <blackflow> (in total that is, since 2018. "after LTS period was over" you'd need to pay for ESM)
[13:23] <Greyztar> blackflow, ohh its paid alrighty thanks
[13:25] <Greyztar> blackflow, its the Ubuntu Advantage i need to buy then right?
[13:27] <Greyztar> seems the only option,good to know its an option to get support beyond lts if ever needed though
[13:32] <blackflow> Greyztar: yup, Ubuntu Advantage.
[13:48] <Ussat> Sigh.....RHEL Removed the ability to do JUST krb auth against a AD domain in 8 without joining the domain, looks like I will be useing more Ubuntu
[13:48] <teward> lol
[13:48] <teward> Ussat: sounds like RHEL did an evil
[13:49] <Ussat> Well......ya
[13:52] <Ussat> I use quite a bit of Ubuntu right now
[14:01] <Ussat> Not sure I would call it evil....just......ew
[14:04] <Greyztar> when i set tracking state with iptables like NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED the connection needs to fullfill all of those right not just NEW for an example?
[14:04] <teward> Greyztar: the connection needs to match *one* of those to be matched.
[14:05] <teward> at least AIUI
[14:05] <teward> but I might be wrong
[14:05] <teward> RELATED,ESTABLISHED tend to go together
[14:05] <teward> NEW won't have the other two IIRC>
[14:05] <teward> but don't quote me fully on that
[14:05] <Greyztar> teward, thank you for informative answer,it got a little confusing hehe
[14:06] <teward> Greyztar: per the manpage, I use conntrack and --ctstate which state: statelist is a comma separated list of the connection states to match. Possible states are listed below.  <-- this doens't necessarily say it must match ALL
[14:06] <teward> but that any of the states in the list are matchable
[14:07] <teward> (manpages are fun, iptables-extensions manpage)
[14:07] <Greyztar> haha
[14:07] <Greyztar> yeah i should read more man pages just often i end up not wiser i tend to over complicate what i read
[14:18] <geodb27> People : hi ! I'm trying to automate the installation process with a preseed file. THings seems to work so far (ubuntu 18.04 LTS server), but the language and keyboard selection. What is the prefered way to have this automated also ?
[14:21] <leftyfb> geodb27: append this to your kernel line: locale=en_US console-setup/ask_detect=false keyboard-configuration/layoutcode=en console-setup/layoutcode=en keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap=us
[14:25] <geodb27> Thanks a lot for your answer leftyfb. I'll give it a try when my in-progress installation is done.
[14:55] <Greyztar> im wondering,is the snapd stuff useable in production?
[14:59] <blackflow> Greyztar: depends on what you expect of the "production" :)  For example, snaps auto-update, making them useless on servers in my book.
[15:00] <patdk-lap> I limit snap usage to configuration utilities, like kubectl and stuff
[15:03] <Greyztar> blackflow, im just wondering if its ment for production though in term of it being stable and not experimental and such,some time ago i wanted to migrate my own server from Ubuntu to Debian but couldnt get lxc to work so didnt bother,though using snapd now i got it working =)
[15:04] <Greyztar> i also noticed the lxc version in snapd is 3.13 and on my 18.04 server its 3.0.3
[15:05] <Greyztar> if i migrate i will miss the easy live kernel patching from Ubuntu though,thats some awsome feature
[15:13] <blackflow> Greyztar: I say use apt packages where possible, and snaps only if there's no apt package (for the version you want), and of course if the auto-update regime is okay with you.
[15:14] <blackflow> For me, snaps offer no advantage, if there's an apt package. Any "isolation" one can achieve with snaps is doable with systemd options, apparmor and other tech, which is 100% under your control.
[15:14] <blackflow> For example, I dislike that I can't customize AppArmor profile of snaps.
[15:14] <lordcirth> I thought you could?
[15:14] <blackflow> overwritten on next update
[15:15] <Greyztar> blackflow, thank you for informative answer,i really didnt know about the auto update feature im not a fan of that so have to look into it
[15:19] <lordcirth> If I want non-apt packages that I can update ahead of LTS, I use Nix
[15:24] <Greyztar> noticed my snap program still worked after disableing the snapd service itself,maybe it could work by just enabling it every now and then with cron for updates?
[15:25] <Greyztar> or maybe its a reason it auto updates and ill end up with a broken system
[15:33] <OerHeks> snapd.service is the update mechanism
[15:33] <OerHeks> snaps should work, though, without snapd.service enabled
[15:34] <Greyztar> OerHeks, nice thanks!
[15:57] <catbadger> oh so pretty specific question... I'm running a cpanm install (Apache::SSI) for mod_perl1.3, and it's asking for the location of httpd (on repeat forever)... is there some way to preload this via bash?
[16:11] <catbadger> echo "httpd location" | cpan install blah
[16:11] <catbadger> echo "httpd location" | cpan install blah -T
[16:26] <Greyztar> this snap stuff is kinda neat though,i got lxc 3.13 installed on my tiny arm router. Containervisor on 22 dollar equipment i find sweet although its really slow =)