[19:29] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:01] <snail> morning
[20:14] <ajmitch> morning
[20:22] <olly> morning
[21:17] <mwhudson> morning
[21:51] <hads> morning


[23:21] <samgtr> hello everyone
[23:21] <samgtr> is there any beginner level bug for me? i would like to contribute to ubuntu


[01:25] <monteslu> anyone here using smbldap-installer ?
[01:30] <LaserJock> nope might ask moquist if he's around
[01:31] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: did you know System76 was selling Edubuntu servers?
[01:31] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: nope
[01:31] <LaserJock> I just saw it
[01:31] <Burgundavia> oh very cool
[01:31] <Burgundavia> you should blog that
[01:32] <LaserJock> http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=63
[01:33] <monteslu> LaserJock, fixed the ldap problem
[01:33] <monteslu> got a new one :)
[01:33] <LaserJock> I think I will, I was already going to blog about Tribe 4 Edubuntu
[01:34] <monteslu> edubuntu/Muekow is alot different than fedora/ltsp4, which is the dhcpd.conf that is actually being used?
[01:34] <monteslu> seems like there's more than one
[01:37] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not exactly sure
[01:37] <LaserJock> you might want to ask #ltsp
[01:39] <monteslu> no one awake in there :)
[01:40] <LaserJock> hmm, there should be somebody latter, sbalneav should know
[01:40] <LaserJock> *later
[01:41] <monteslu> sbalneav is the man
[01:41] <monteslu> him and orgra and a couple others convinced me to ditch k12ltsp for edubuntu :)
[01:50] <LaserJock> heh
[01:50] <LaserJock> yes, they are a lot of fun to be around
[02:13] <monteslu> I have a user in sudoers, but doing sudo synaptic wont work, and just launching synaptic runs without root privledges
[02:16] <Burgundavia> monteslu: your user shoudl be in the admin group
[02:17] <Burgundavia> don't directly edit sudoers unless you really know what you are doing
[02:21] <monteslu> Burgundavia, guess I don't.... but I did use visudo :)
[02:22] <Burgundavia> there is an admin group for a reason :)
[02:22] <monteslu> guess I'll have to add that group to my smbldap server
[02:26] <monteslu> synaptic runs fine from the server, just not a thin client
[02:28] <Burgundavia> ahh, hmm
[02:29] <monteslu> is flash with thin client sound support in an included repo?
[02:40] <monteslu> is flashplugin-nonfree the current adobe flash plugin for edubuntu?
[02:41] <monteslu> the ubuntu wiki says it is, but I cant find it in synaptic or apt-get command line
[02:43] <monteslu> .... there's a thousand people in #ubuntu, how can anyone talk in there?
[02:52] <poningru> monteslu: search for nonfree
[02:52] <poningru> flashplugin-nonfree
[02:52] <monteslu> i think the problem is that my apt-get update is failing
[02:53] <monteslu> really strange because the packages its choking on I have no problem wget'ing
[02:53] <monteslu> no idea how to fix it
[02:55] <monteslu> poningru, do you have an edubuntu box you can apt-get update on?
[02:56] <poningru> hmm
[02:56] <poningru> what package is it chocking on?
[02:56] <poningru> just remove it
[02:57] <monteslu> http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/restricted
[04:21] <monteslu> any idea why I can sudo a GUI app only on the server on edubuntu?
[04:42] <monteslu> any idea if there really is a gzipped lts.conf example file, like the one specified in the real lts.conf file ?
[04:42] <jamesstilwell3rd> exit
[04:44] <jamesstilwell3rd> Sorry everyone.  I'm a fairly experienced sysadmin who has never used IRC (or any chat) so please forgive any random dumbness on my part.
[04:47] <jamesstilwell3rd> How many are deployed with ltsp?
[04:49] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[07:27] <sbalneav> Well, got the language window and the session window sort of going in the greeter.
[07:28] <sbalneav> As well, if there's only one possible host to log into, you don't get a host popup
[07:28] <sbalneav> Gonna need some code cleanup, tomorrow I'll get the values passed back to ldm.
[07:31] <LaserJock> sweet
[07:41] <sbalneav> Rev's pushed.
[07:41] <sbalneav> Tired.  Heading to bed.
[07:41] <sbalneav> Night all
[10:46] <stgraber> ogra: ping
[10:53] <ogra> stgraber, pong
[11:01] <stgraber> ogra: do you have a working ltsp package or a patch so I can have a working ldm2 ?
[11:01] <stgraber> ogra: I'll be updating my school test network (feisty server + gutsy ltsp) this afternoon and would like to have something more or less working :)
[11:01] <ogra> stgraber, nope :/ sbalneav committed a fix in his branch but broke tons of other stuff that break login ...
[11:01] <ogra> so i cant merge atm
[11:03] <stgraber> ok, I'll have a quick look at the sources and see if I can simply add a system call so it kills the other ssh link :)
[11:03] <ogra> that should work
[11:04] <ogra> apart from that, i'd just wait and ask scott ;)
[11:04] <ogra> he might be able to just give you a patch
[11:06] <stgraber> I also have his bzr branch here, I can try to find the fix in it
[11:08] <ogra> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy/revision/sbalneav%40edubuntu-20070805044008-5jklqggt9rxfh2fq?start_revid=sbalneav%40edubuntu-20070810052713-0ji7xdr7e326q7vp
[11:08] <ogra> i guess its that commit that fixes it
[11:08] <ogra> he reworked all the pipes and forks
[11:14] <stgraber> ogra: especially the end of the diff I think
[11:15] <ogra> yep
[01:40] <stgraber> ogra: I've just built a new set of ltsp packages from sbalneav's branch (he did some commit last night), I'll see if it works (I doubt but we can still try), if not I'll just try to manually patch the source
[01:41] <stgraber> ogra: what's the way to force the resolution with ldm.conf ? I can't remember it and don't find it in the ldm.conf settings list
[01:41] <stgraber> s/ldm.conf/lts.conf/ ofc
[01:44] <stgraber> (I need to set 1024x768 on all thin clients, so I doubt I can use HORZ/VERT SYNC for that)
[02:30] <ogra> stgraber, X_MODE_0=1024x768
[02:30] <ogra> works in gutsy ;)
[03:05] <stgraber> ogra: cool :)
[03:18] <stgraber> ogra: oh, just a detail I came across, it'd be a good idea to copy /etc/apt/apt.conf before doing apt-get update in the chroot
[03:19] <stgraber> ogra: otherwise the generation get stuck at the first apt-get update (020 IIRC)
[04:06] <stgraber> ogra: any cluse on why pulseaudio isn't listening on port 4713 after running it with "pulseaudio --system" from tty1 ?
[04:20] <stgraber> ogra: ergh, you also see the mouse cursor flickering when the screenshot is being made by xwd :(
[04:22] <stgraber> ogra: sound fixed (I forgot to tweak the /etc/pulse/daemon.conf)
[04:56] <bddebian> Heya
[06:50] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock!
[06:51] <LaserJock> hi edubuntugirl
[06:51] <edubuntugirl> hi, LaserJock!
[06:51] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: how are you doing?
[06:51] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: I already know stuff about what how are
[06:51] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: oh really?
[06:51] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: I'm not following you...
[06:51] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: nevermind then
[06:51] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: I'm not following you...
[06:51] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: you are such a dumbass
[06:51] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: I already know stuff about what you are
[06:52] <highvoltage> pff.
[06:52] <LaserJock> hahaha
[07:11] <Amaranth> edubuntugirl: whee
[07:11] <edubuntugirl> Amaranth: *blink*
[07:15] <edubuntugirl> I'd like a Wii instead.
[07:20] <Amaranth> No, I want to keep mine :)
[08:44] <lns> Hey I'm building some brochure-type documentation for LTSP based networks, does anyone have any existing (completed) stuff like this? If not, I would be more than happy to submit what I complete
[10:29] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: ping
[10:29] <edubuntugirl> pong


[08:47] <qiyong> hi all, what i can do here?
[08:49] <Madpilot> qiyong, probably best to join the doc team mailing list if you're interested, it's far more active than this channel usually is
[08:49] <qiyong> Madpilot: ok
[08:54] <qiyong> Madpilot: how do i join? simple subscribe the ML?
[08:55] <Madpilot> qiyong, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
[08:55] <Madpilot> there's the signup page, then just send an email introducing yourself
[08:56] <qiyong> i don't see signup
[20:22] <chunknuts> Can someone help me with documentation that needs to be updated?


[05:33] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:56] <yurtesen> good mornin
[05:57] <cpaelzer> hi yurtesen
[07:15] <yurtesen> utkarsh2102: good morning
[11:13] <Walex> ShellcatZero2: you answered it: use 'deboostrap' and then run 'update-grub'.
[11:35] <utkarsh2102> yurtesen: hello! \o
[11:35] <utkarsh2102> so since this is affecting Focal (upto Jammy), we'll need to fix 'em all.
[11:35] <utkarsh2102> Jammy is in Final freeze atm so either we can do a 0-day SRU or a regular one.
[11:37] <utkarsh2102> IMO, it's not worth adding a delta and then do a merge later on so I'm waiting on ebourg to take a look and "ack" on the Debian side or if he has another approach.
[11:37] <yurtesen> utkarsh2102: hello
[11:37] <utkarsh2102> this time I contacted him and the Java team publicly; cf: https://lists.debian.org/debian-java/2022/04/msg00004.html
[11:37] <utkarsh2102> so you know that I indeed contacted them :)
[11:38] <utkarsh2102> once we hear from them, we take an action for the KK cycle and SRU it back until Focal. sounds good?
[11:39] <utkarsh2102> KK -> Jammy -> Impish -> Focal
[11:39] <utkarsh2102> actually, it'd be more like
[11:39] <utkarsh2102> Debian -> (KK -> Jammy -> Impish -> Focal) :)
[11:39] <ahasenack> good morning
[11:40] <utkarsh2102> ahasenack: o/
[11:40] <yurtesen> utkarsh2102: Thank you for the effort. This process is quite difficult. :)
[11:45] <ahasenack> hi utkarsh2102
[12:15] <utkarsh2102> yurtesen: it's certainly a bit esp. with freezes + sync/merges to be considered.
[14:32] <utkarsh2102> yurtesen: hey, you have an update on the Debian bug, could you please reply there? :)
[14:33] <rbasak> He isn'there
[14:34] <rbasak> I got the impression that rsyslog has a delta in Ubuntu which makes the issue Ubuntu-specific?
[14:34] <rbasak> But I'm not clear on whether the development release is fixed fully or not, etc.
[14:35] <rbasak> But thank you for driving this! I didn't see you messages above earlier when I looked.
[14:35] <rbasak> I'll leave it to you :)
[14:43] <utkarsh2102> rbasak: hey, Jammy isn't fixed either and that's why I'm interested in getting that fixed, which means adding a delta. And to avoid that, I wanted to go via the Debian path.
[14:44] <utkarsh2102> rbasak: another important reason why I wanted Debian maintainers to look at it is tell us about the approach and perhaps a better way. Markus said the approach seems wrong and that's what I was interested in knowing before SRU'ing this as-is.
[15:13] <rbasak> utkarsh2102: +1 thanks!
[21:59] <scortal> .


[13:22] <ar4imale> Hi guys ! We have couple wyse t50 thinks cliens with very old ubuntu 10.4 on board. We want to upgrade it, but we uname to found property image to do it. Can you advise us how we can update ubuntu 10.04 as minimut up to 120.4 via internet ? do-release-upgrade and update-manager unable to see new version and wyse support is not very frendly
[13:23] <ar4imale> may be possible to change repo manually ?
[13:23] <ar4imale> and run aptitude update after ?
[14:06] <infinity> ar4imale: You could just s/lucid/precise/ in sources.list and 'apt-get update && apt-get --purge dist-upgrade', but you'd want to pay very close attention to what apt tells you it plans to do and see if it looks scary. :P
[14:11] <ar4imale> infinity: thank you very much
[14:11] <ar4imale> I`ll try


[16:18] <mhall119> Bryanstein: are we still short a session for UbuCon?
[16:40] <balloons> Bryanstein, just following up about http://fossetcon.org/2014/speakers/elizabeth-k-joseph not being listed on http://fossetcon.org/2014/session/giving-back-first-steps-contributing-ubuntu. Can we get this correct?
[18:12] <Bryanstein> balloons, ok..
[18:12] <Bryanstein> mhall119,
[18:12] <Bryanstein> balloons, I'll do that later today....gotta pick someone up from the airport!
[18:14] <balloons> thanks :-)
[18:31] <balloons> Bryanstein, please let pleia2 know once you've made the switch. She needs the info to be correct for her employer


[10:01] <MurtazaJawadwala> Hi all, I am having Raspberry Pi 2 project, needed developer for programming. Please contact me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:04] <nik90> timp, ping
[11:04] <timp> nik90: hi
[11:04] <timp> I'm in a meeting for about 20 more minutes
[11:05] <nik90> timp, ah ok..pls ping me whenever you're free.
[12:17] <MurtazaJawadwala> Hi Nik90
[12:17] <MurtazaJawadwala> are you interested for Raspberry Pi project?
[13:02] <timp> nik90: hi. Did you have a question for me?
[13:05] <nik90> timp, yes,
[13:06] <nik90> timp, I started using APL, and it is amazing..kind like PageStack 2.0..however I am not clear on a few things.
[13:06] <nik90> Is there a way to find out the page depth of a particular column?
[13:07] <nik90> Here is a use-case. I have primary page which occupies the full app width and height (1-column layout). On pressing the search header button, I would like to show the search page on the 2nd column. I also want a way to hide that page and go back to a 1 column layout when the user is done with the search page.
[13:07] <nik90> This also applies to other pages like the settings page etc. etc.
[13:07] <nik90> How do I go about doing this?
[13:08] <nik90> I was thinking of querying the page properties in a particular column, or maybe check the page depth and pop the necessary pages, but it is unclear for me on how to proceed. May be I am looking at this in the wrong way
[13:15] <timp> nik90: so when you switch to a two-column layout, you want the primary page to resize and use only the first column?
[13:16] <timp> nik90: instead of "hiding" the second page, you could remove it from the APL?
[13:17] <nik90> timp, yes..when switching to the 2-column layout I want the primary page to only use the first column..This part is easy and I figured it out.
[13:17] <nik90> timp, in order to hide/remove the 2nd page, I need to know what is the 2nd page.
[13:18] <nik90> How do I know if it was the settings page or the search page?
[13:18] <timp> ah, right
[13:18] <timp> that depends where you add the button (or other control) to close it. I was assuming that you would close it from the page itself.
[13:19] <timp> nik90: if you have only the primary page, and this second page, you can apl.removePages(primaryPage)
[13:19] <timp>       \qmlmethod void removePages(Item page)
[13:19] <timp>       The function removes and deletes all pages up to and including \c page
[13:19] <timp>       is reached. If the \a page is the same as the \l primaryPage, only its child
[13:19] <timp>       pages will be removed.
[13:19] <nik90> that's something I am not sure on what to do as well..for the moment, I just wanted to use the search header button in the primary page to act as the show and hide button for the search page.
[13:19] <timp> so removePages(primaryPage) removes all pages except the primary page itself
[13:19] <nik90> because adding something like a close button in the search page is not standard ubuntu pattern
[13:20] <nik90> timp, Do you think adding a close button would be a good idea (design wise)?
[13:20] <nik90> it does make the implementation easier for sure.
[13:21] <timp> yes, it makes it easier, but better to ask someone who knows all the latest design patterns by heart ;)
[13:21] <timp> Femma1: ^
[13:21] <nik90> timp, ok. Is there a way to show a slide-in animation when transitioning to a 2 column layout?
[13:21] <timp> nik90: no, we will need to add that later
[13:21] <nik90> I understand that PageColumnLayout is a QtObject..so I cant really add UbuntuNumberAnimation{} inside it.
[13:22] <timp> nik90: only if you use a BottomEdge, there is an animation now
[13:22] <nik90> ack.
[13:22] <timp> right, that's a QtObject, only for configuration
[13:23] <nik90> timp, btw, by using APL, I solved the back button missing issue.
[13:23] <nik90> APL is really nice..good job!
[13:23] <timp> the columns are implemented  inside the AdaptivePageLayout
[13:23] <timp> nik90: thanks :)
[13:23] <Femma1> nik90:  timp we are going to look at buttons usage patterns next week and can add that to the agenda
[13:23] <nik90> Femma1, thnx
[13:23] <timp> nik90: ah the missing back button in PageStack was a bug that I also fixed in UITK staging
[13:24] <timp> nik90: perhaps you can give us more information about your use case? I think we didn't really consider apps where the layouts are changed all the time
[13:24] <timp> the main use cases for changing layouts so far is resizing a window, or changing/attaching screens
[13:24] <nik90> timp, I will do you one better..I will create a video about it and share it.
[13:25] <timp> ok, cool
[13:25] <timp> :)
[13:26] <timp> nik90: so I would go for the close button for now, that should be relatively quick to implement. And then if the designers come up with a better pattern we can discuss how to do that
[13:26] <nik90> timp, agreed.
[13:26] <timp> nik90: but if you want to close a page from a previous page, you would have to keep track somehow which page you last opened
[13:27] <timp> it depends a bit on what the design patterns need from the APL, but if this has many use cases we could add a function (or properties) to the APL to get the current page of a column
[13:29] <nik90> timp, I think If I explain my usage in a video, it would be easier for you to understand if mine is a use case not covered by APL yet or not.
[13:30] <timp> ok
[13:30] <timp> zsombi: did the most work on the layouts for the APL, so if I'm not around you can ask him too
[13:30] <timp> nik90: ^
[13:31] <nik90> ok
[13:53] <nik90> timp, zsombi: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B55Gs35e-jxxcmlUSHFIZGM5aWM
[14:00] <subet> bzoltan: Hey, I have problems with the SDK on 16.04. When I try to create a chroot via the Qt Creator Option, it fails with the message "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:00] <subet> ubuntu-sdk-libs:armhf : Depends: ubuntu-html5-container:armhf
[14:00] <subet> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[14:00] <subet> I was told I should follow this guide https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-April/039322.html.
[14:00] <subet> Unfortunately, even though I installed the static chroot package, it still doesn't show up as Kit in the SDK.
[14:00] <subet> Is there anything else I have to do in order to get this working? Thanks in advance.
[14:03] <nik90> bzoltan_, ^^
[14:15] <timp> nik90: all clear now.
[14:15] <timp> nik90: apps looks good :)
[14:15] <timp> nik90: I think it is a good use case for design, so let's show Femma1 your link^ too
[14:15] <timp> Femma1: ^
[14:16] <timp> nik90: one remark, you can call removePages() with your primary page as an argument, and it will remove all pages except the primary page.
[14:22] <nik90> timp, I know about removePages(), It comes very handy in the mobile layout where I need to quickly go back to the map.
[14:22] <timp> you can use it also to remove the second column
[14:22] <nik90> timp, I suppose I could just do removePages() to get rid of the second column
[14:23] <nik90> good idea..will try that out.
[14:23] <mivoligo> I think the column will stay there but will be empty
[14:24] <nik90> mivoligo, well, not necessarily..we can use the bool variable flag to switch to a 1 column layout.
[14:24] <nik90> since the layout is triggered for specific conditions.
[14:24] <mivoligo> nik90: right, together with that it should be fine
[14:36] <Femma1> timp:  nik90 can you repaste the link pls?
[14:37] <nik90> Femma1, mtp://[usb:003,005]/Aquaris%20E4.5%20Ubuntu%20Edition/Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/image20160425_162111963.jpg
[14:37] <nik90> mtp://[usb:003,005]/Aquaris%20E4.5%20Ubuntu%20Edition/Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/image20160425_162023750.jpg
[14:37] <nik90> mtp://[usb:003,005]/Aquaris%20E4.5%20Ubuntu%20Edition/Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/image20160425_161928883.jpg
[14:37] <nik90> mtp://[usb:003,005]/Aquaris%20E4.5%20Ubuntu%20Edition/Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/image20160425_161750676.jpg
[14:37] <nik90> mtp://[usb:003,005]/Aquaris%20E4.5%20Ubuntu%20Edition/Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/image20160425_161631195.jpg
[14:37] <timp> Femma1: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B55Gs35e-jxxcmlUSHFIZGM5aWM
[14:37] <nik90> mtp://[usb:003,005]/Aquaris%20E4.5%20Ubuntu%20Edition/Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera/image20160425_161603062.jpg
[14:37] <nik90> Femma1, https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B55Gs35e-jxxcmlUSHFIZGM5aWM
[14:37] <nik90> sry
[14:37] <Femma1> ta
[14:40] <Femma1> nik90:  I'm not seeing anything
[14:41] <nik90> Femma1, you will need to download the video for viewing.
[14:41] <nik90> its a standard mp4 format
[14:41] <Femma1> nik90:  I'm not seeing a video
[14:41] <Femma1> I'm seeing 'unav'
[14:42] <nik90> Femma1, are you able to download the file?
[14:42] <Femma1> I get this
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[14:47] <timp> Femma1, nik90: I got a message that the video could not be played, with a button to download. The download worked.
[14:47] <timp> nik90: can you report a bug requesting this functionality?
[14:47] <timp> nik90: for ubuntu-ui-toolkit and ubuntu-ux, that way we can also track the solution that design comes up with
[14:47] <timp> nik90: and you can attach the video to the bug
[14:47] <Femma1> nik90:  can you put the video link in dropbox or something please?
[14:47] <Femma1> or what timp says :D
[14:50] <nik90> Femma1, try https://www.dropbox.com/s/cd994hcot05ccm8/unav.mkv?dl=0
[14:51] <Femma1> nik90:  timp yes that works, I have a meeting for an hour in the next 10 mins, I shall take a look when I'm done :)
[14:51] <nik90> ok :0
[14:51] <nik90> :)
[19:37] <bzoltan_> subet: What the Tools->Options...->Ubuntu shows?
[19:55] <subet> bzoltan_: It shows just an empty list.
[19:55] <bzoltan_> subet: I wonder if the static chroot package was properly installed
[19:56] <bzoltan_> subet:  dpkg -l|grep ubuntu-sdk
[19:56] <bzoltan_> subet:  there should be a ubuntu-sdk-api-15.04-armhf or ubuntu-sdk-api-15.04-i386
[19:56] <subet> Hmm, I just ran the apt get command: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16055782/
[19:57] <bzoltan_> subet:  ls /var/lib/schroot/chroots
[19:57] <subet> The directory is empty
[19:57] <bzoltan_> subet: that is a problem indeed
[19:58] <subet> oO can I fix this?
[19:58] <bzoltan_> subet:  please purge that package ... dpkg --purge ubuntu-sdk-api-15.04-armhf
[19:58] <bzoltan_> subet:  it is possible that you will need to use the force
[19:58] <subet> Done
[19:59] <bzoltan_> subet:  and now apt install it again
[19:59] <bzoltan_> subet:  and follow the consol logs
[20:00] <subet> Okay, will try
[20:00] <mkelly> Does anybody in here by chance have a solution to this issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/754532/i-need-ubuntu-components-1-3-for-ubuntu-14-04/762690#762690
[20:02] <bzoltan_> subet: I might be offline, but please pastebin the output and I will check it later
[20:02] <subet> yay, it's there now :) Thank you bzoltan_. It's asking me whether I want to update it. I can do this savely, can't I?
[20:02] <bzoltan_> subet: I would not update that
[20:02] <subet> Okay
[20:02] <subet> It shouldn't actually ask, should it?
[20:02] <bzoltan_> subet:  one reason that the regular click chroot is busted is the broken dependency on the overlay ppa... with an upgrade you might get the same
[20:03] <bzoltan_> subet:  it will not break the chroot, but might fail.
[20:03] <subet> yeah, I almost guessed that. Okay
[20:03] <subet> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16055837/ here's the log, but I don't think you need it now that it works
[20:03] <bzoltan_> subet:  the IDE asks you whenever the update tells it about
[20:04] <bzoltan_> subet:  enjoy :) and please ping me in case the SDK does not behave well :)
[20:04] <subet> thank you!


[09:53] <amachu> hi
[09:54] <happyaron> amachu: hi
[09:54] <amachu> persia: elky: lifeless: Hello
[09:54] <happyaron> freeflying: ping
[09:55] <amachu> happyaron: hi
[09:55] <persia> Hey amachu
[09:56] <amachu> persia: hello!
[09:56] <amachu> persia: CC results have come?
[09:56] <persia> amachu, Which results?
[09:56] <lifeless> hi
[09:57] <freeflying> happyaron: hi
[09:57] <amachu> lifeless: Hello
[09:57] <amachu> and TheMuso: hi
[09:58] <amachu> elky: are you there?
[10:00] <TheMuso> Hey amachu.
[10:00] <amachu> persia: TheMuso: lifeless: we four are here..
[10:01] <amachu> wondering what elky is now!
[10:01] <amachu> shall we start then..
[10:01] <persia> we're quorate, so we could.
[10:01] <amachu> let elky join, as she awakes ;-)
[10:01] <amachu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[10:02] <amachu> Indus: Hi
[10:02] <TheMuso> The first candidate has a incorrect wiki page link.
[10:03] <amachu> sorry, indus & ddorda appear not to be here
[10:03] <amachu> happyaron: Hi
[10:03] <happyaron> amachu: hi
[10:03] <happyaron> I'm here, :)
[10:03] <lifeless> amachu: happyaron noted to me that the wiki page didn't have an accurate schedule a few days back
[10:04] <amachu> lifeless: yes. I was lazy enough to change it today only..
[10:04] <lifeless> amachu: if I can suggest, change it at the end of a meeting ;)
[10:04] <persia> I suspect that's why we have so few participants.
[10:04] <amachu> will do it immediately here after, with a stamp that we meet second & fourth tuesday
[10:05] <amachu> persia: can be a reason..
[10:05] <amachu> happyaron: Please go ahead, explaining your contributions to Ubuntu
[10:05] <happyaron> ok
[10:06] <happyaron> I have been an Ubuntu user and contributor since Feisty
[10:06] <happyaron> and my major contribution is in localization field
[10:07] <happyaron> I am now taking the lead of Ubuntu Simplified Chinese translators as well as Launchpad Simplified Chinese translators teams
[10:07] <happyaron> what's more, I've been part of Ubuntu Translations Coordinators now
[10:08] <persia> happyaron, In your wiki page, you say you're working towards providing a better environment for translators.  Could you expand on that?
[10:08] <happyaron> persia: yes
[10:09] <happyaron> This could be explained in two fields, my LoCo and the universe one
[10:09] <happyaron> for my LoCo, I am reorganizing zh_CN team, help on setting up a more organized team
[10:10] <happyaron> I have made it a circle of contributors who are willing to help, and help them know more about doing such work
[10:11] <happyaron> the organization will be expand to much more than a Launchpad team, who have the privilege to fix things for language pack
[10:11] <happyaron> I am working on make more and more people available for upstream work
[10:11] <happyaron> writing the new set of documentation is part of my work
[10:12] <happyaron> as you can see a list on my LoCo wiki http://wiki.ubuntu.org.cn/User:Happyaron
[10:12] <happyaron> (in Chinese)
[10:12] <happyaron> For the worldwide, I am working with other members of U-T-C team, and have just begun
[10:13] <happyaron> now I am focus on fonts and other user experience problems especially for CJK users
[10:13] <happyaron> who need special care due to the special character
[10:14] <amachu> happyaron: say about your packaging experience
[10:14] <happyaron> sure
[10:15] <happyaron> Now I am the maintainer of gmchess for Debian
[10:15] <happyaron> it is a Chinese chess game, or rather Xiangqi
[10:16] <happyaron> I work with Li Daobing, whose a Debian Developer, and he told me the resources to fix all kinds of issues
[10:16] <happyaron> freeflying helped me when I just get started and I should thank him, too.
[10:17] <happyaron> I am now preparing to pack ubuntu-tweak for Lucid
[10:17] <happyaron> this package is an excellent tool to tweak, which is written in python
[10:17] <amachu> happyaron: are there people here to support your membership?
[10:18] <happyaron> amachu: yes, dpm and freeflying is here
[10:18] <happyaron> lidaobing wasn't, :)
[10:18] <dpm> hi, yes, I'd like to support happyaron's application
[10:18] <amachu> dpm: freeflying: yours comments on happyaron
[10:18] <freeflying> amachu: yes, I support his application
[10:19] <dpm> he's been a very active member of the Ubuntu Translations Coordinators team, basically taking care that translations for all Ubuntu users are in good shape
[10:20] <dpm> he's quickly learned the procedures in the team, and at the same time has adapted to changes (the team is relativley new)
[10:20] <dpm> relatively
[10:20] <dpm> I meant
[10:20] <amachu> dpm: thank you
[10:20] <freeflying> amachu: I've witnessed nearlu all his contribution to FLOSS, back from the time he just started
[10:22] <amachu> persia: lifeless: TheMuso: shall we take voting now?
[10:22] <freeflying> amachu: he has great passion
[10:22] <amachu> freeflying: thank you
[10:22] <persia> I'm ready.
[10:22] <TheMuso> amachu: I think so.
[10:23] <amachu> I would give +1 considering contributions to translations, packaging supported by testimonials at the wiki as well as here..
[10:24] <TheMuso> +1 as well, great work.
[10:24] <persia> I'm very much in favour.  Lot's of good work, strong support.
[10:26] <amachu> and lifeless?
[10:26] <elky> oh. it's tuesday. whoops. here now
[10:26] <elky> looks good +1
[10:26] <lifeless> +1
[10:26] <amachu> that a surprise vote, all of a sudden :-D
[10:27] <happyaron> thank you all, :P
[10:27] <amachu> happyaron: War welcome
[10:27] <amachu> happyaron: Warm welcome
[10:27] <happyaron> amachu: thanks!
[10:27] <freeflying> happyaron: congrats
[10:27] <lifeless> amachu: sorry I've been missing meetings
[10:27] <happyaron> freeflying: :)
[10:27] <dpm> happyaron, congratulations!
[10:27] <lifeless> amachu: its an awkward time, middle of the evening, so I lose track.
[10:27] <happyaron> dpm: thanks for your support!
[10:27] <ziroday> happyaron: yay!
[10:27] <happyaron> ziroday: yeah!
[10:28] <persia> lifeless, Would later be better for you?  I thought we selected this time to not be so late that far east.
[10:28] <lifeless> persia: no, basically if I have time to relax after work its likely to end up with me relaxed :)
[10:29] <persia> heh.  Makes sense.
[10:29] <amachu> lifeless: thats ok. Lets see if could have two different times once Zheng joins..
[10:29] <persia> Regarding that, did we get a response from the CC?  I don't remember a clear one.
[10:29] <lifeless> +1
[10:29] <lifeless> IIRC
[10:30] <lifeless> with 2 year term I think
[10:30] <TheMuso> Do we not have another candidate?
[10:30] <lifeless> TheMuso: 2 awols, I thought
[10:31] <persia> So, what's outstanding to add freeflying to the board?
[10:31] <amachu> Following a mail from Daniel Holbach dated 07 Oct, there is consensus over it
[10:32] <amachu> persia: i will add him to launchpad team & mailing list, send a mail to CC and Ubuntu News Team
[10:33] <amachu> persia: hope that completes the job of inclusion
[10:34] <amachu> any comments?
[10:34] <persia> I don't think we can add to the team.  I think CC needs to do it (based on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-asia-oceania/+members)
[10:37] <TheMuso> nothing from me
[10:38] <amachu> persia: Yes. I will make it the request..
[10:38] <persia> amachu, OK.  Sounds good to me then.
[10:39] <amachu> elky: lifeless: any thing else to discuss?
[10:39] <elky> nope
[10:40] <amachu> fine then..
[10:40] <amachu> thank you all for participating.
[10:41] <amachu> happyaron: Welcoming you again. Keep up the great work.
[10:42] <amachu> Our next meeting will be on 10 Nov 09, likely with Zheng on team :-)
[10:42] <happyaron> amachu: thanks, !
[13:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[13:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 07:59. The chair is NCommander.
[13:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[13:01] <NCommander> morning plars GrueMaster StevenK lool davidm paulliu dyfet ogra JamieBennett1
[13:01] <dyfet> need coffee
[13:01]  * StevenK shores
[13:02]  * plars is here
[13:02] <GrueMaster> dyfet: I see your coffee, and raise you 20oz.
[13:02]  * NCommander raises StevenK shores with snores
[13:02]  * NCommander has a pot freshly brewed
[13:02] <davidm> hello
[13:02] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20091027
[13:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20091027
[13:03] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[13:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[13:04] <NCommander> who's here?
[13:04] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[13:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[13:04] <NCommander> [topic] paulliu to close remaining moblin sync bugs for karmic
[13:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  paulliu to close remaining moblin sync bugs for karmic
[13:05] <StevenK> I believe they have all been closed
[13:05] <NCommander> [topic] ogra to file a bug for dhclient not working properly with the FEC driver in d-i
[13:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra to file a bug for dhclient not working properly with the FEC driver in d-i
[13:06] <NCommander> ogra, ping?
[13:06] <ogra> aww
[13:06]  * ogra was bitten by DST change
[13:07] <JamieBennett> ogra: me too!
[13:07]  * NCommander wonders when we change the clocks in the states
[13:07] <ogra> my gcal apparently too :/
[13:07] <soren> NCommander: This weekend.
[13:07] <plars> in the US, we postponed DST change until next week (just so we wouldn't interfere with Ubuntu release week of course!)
[13:07] <NCommander> \o/
[13:07]  * NCommander makes a mental note to set the clocks forward.
[13:07] <plars> NCommander: then you'll be two hours off
[13:08]  * NCommander coughs
[13:08] <JamieBennett> lol
[13:08]  * ogra wonders why gcal still shows it at 15:00
[13:08]  * NCommander drinks his coffee and whistles slowly
[13:08] <NCommander> ogra, probably hasn't been upgraded for DST
[13:08] <NCommander> ogra, so about that bug :-)?
[13:08] <ogra> err, i suck ... missed that
[13:08] <ogra> c/o
[13:09] <NCommander> [action] ogra to file a bug for dhclient not working properly with the FEC driver in d-i
[13:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra to file a bug for dhclient not working properly with the FEC driver in d-i
[13:09] <NCommander> [topic] GrueMaster and plars to test suspend/resume on babbage and report results
[13:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  GrueMaster and plars to test suspend/resume on babbage and report results
[13:09] <plars> bug #456659
[13:09] <GrueMaster> Simple, it doesn't work.
[13:10] <NCommander> Is there a bug for Dove as well?
[13:10] <plars> NCommander: yes
[13:10] <dyfet> yes
[13:10] <plars> bug #453682
[13:10] <plars> also, hibernate does not seem to be supported on either... could just need to be turned on in the kernel config, but I haven't had time to confirm that
[13:10] <plars> hopefully one of the kernel guys will beat me to it
[13:11] <paulliu> StevenK: yes. all bugs are closed.
[13:11] <NCommander> [action] dyfet to test recent banshee release and report to the banshee bug
[13:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  dyfet to test recent banshee release and report to the banshee bug
[13:12] <dyfet> Had same issue
[13:12] <dyfet> Noted in bug :)
[13:12] <NCommander> [topic] Specification Review
[13:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Specification Review
[13:12] <ogra> NCommander, where is the new rolling action i added
[13:12] <ogra> (sponsoring feedback)
[13:12] <NCommander> ogra, oh, *grumble*. I must have missed that when I wrote the minutes
[13:12]  * NCommander makes it appear
[13:13] <NCommander> [action] Sponsoring feedback
[13:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Sponsoring feedback
[13:13] <NCommander> uh
[13:13] <NCommander> [topic] Sponsoring feedback
[13:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sponsoring feedback
[13:13] <StevenK> Haha
[13:13]  * ogra fixed bug 401039 with a sponsoring upload
[13:13] <StevenK> Right, NCommander is doing all the sponsoring
[13:14] <ogra> anyone else who did some sponsoring this week ?
[13:14] <ogra> bad bad ... we suck
[13:14] <NCommander> I did some work with apw on fixing bcmlwl on 2.6.32 kernels, but that wasn't sponsoring as it usually counts :-/
[13:15] <ogra> i would say we only count sponsoring if it results in an upload you do
[13:15] <NCommander> Anyone want to say anything else on this topic before I move on?
[13:15] <ogra> yes
[13:15] <ogra> we need to get better here
[13:15] <ogra> (which is why i added the topic)
[13:16] <NCommander> [topic] Specification Review
[13:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Specification Review
[13:17] <NCommander> I think the only spec that still marked incomplete is lsb compliance, so I don't think we need to spend too much time on this
[13:17] <NCommander> GrueMaster, anything to report?
[13:17] <GrueMaster> I am almost finished testing RC.  Just need the manual bits.
[13:17] <ogra> err, what about the new specs :)
[13:17] <GrueMaster> For LSB
[13:18] <NCommander> ogra, TBH, I rather save that for next week once we're past release
[13:18] <NCommander> and ****, door, brb
[13:18] <NCommander> [topic] UNR Status
[13:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  UNR Status
[13:18] <ogra> NCommander, not sure but i think there should be blueprints registered for the ones we want on the schedule prior release
[13:18] <ogra> davidm may correct me if thats not needed this round though
[13:19] <ogra> last time we definately had to have blueprints for the schedule the week before release
[13:19] <plars> I haven't tested it yet, but supposedly Bug #447886 was fixed for unr
[13:19] <NCommander> ogra, I'll do a New Specification Discussion towards the end though
[13:19] <plars> JamieBennett: did you happen to look at it?
[13:20] <JamieBennett> plars: It is (I've tested)
[13:20] <ogra> NCommander, ok
[13:20]  * NCommander loves packages being delivered at 9:20
[13:20] <plars> that's good news
[13:20] <ogra> yeah
[13:20] <JamieBennett> Indeed, took a little work yesterday but its done now
[13:20] <plars> I found a particularly nasty bug about oem install when testing isos last night, but it turned out not to be UNR specific
[13:21] <plars> it will be one of the bugs that's triggering a respin for today though, so there should be new images to test in the near future
[13:24] <NCommander> Anything have anything else to add before I go to UMR status?
[13:25] <NCommander> [topic] UMR Status
[13:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  UMR Status
[13:25] <JamieBennett> why is it that pidgin always dies during a meeting :(
[13:25] <paulliu> I've tested most of the bugs today. Most of them are not reproducible by myself. And those are not really major problem so things are good now.
[13:25] <ogra> cool
[13:26] <paulliu> About UMR compliance, I've check the report again.
[13:26] <ogra> JamieBennett, probably because pidgin knows that it sucks for IRC ? :)
[13:26] <paulliu> On library part, it seems we need to keep old version of library to make the compliance. But it's really annoying to do that.
[13:26] <plars> a lot of moblin-remix bugs got fixed in the latest downgrade
[13:26] <paulliu> plars: yes. Mutter downgrade fixed a lot of bugs.
[13:26] <GrueMaster> Moblin compliance for RC looks great (to me).  Only 133 failures out of 70106 tests.
[13:27] <JamieBennett> ogra: Indeed I keep going back to irssi but I just can't get on with it
[13:27] <ogra> xchat ++ :)
[13:27] <paulliu> GrueMaster: ok. I just thought we need to make that 0 failures for compliance..:)
[13:27] <StevenK> irssi ++++++++++
[13:27] <GrueMaster> Compared with 165/70084 the week prior.
[13:27] <paulliu> So the status is good now. Thanks.
[13:27] <StevenK> That's 0.1% of all tests failing
[13:27] <plars> GrueMaster: were comparison results ever posted for upstream moblin?
[13:28] <GrueMaster> paulliu: I don't think we can achieve 0 failures.  Some of these are LSB tests that fail on the regular LSB test suite as well.
[13:28] <paulliu> GrueMaster: Yes.
[13:28] <GrueMaster> plars: not yet.  Time and platforms were an issue.  Hope to do them soon.
[13:28] <NCommander> GrueMaster, do these same failures show up on the reference implementation from Intel?
[13:28] <plars> understand
[13:29] <GrueMaster> NCommander: ^^^
[13:29] <GrueMaster> I haven't had time or a spare platform to run the Intel image.
[13:29] <NCommander> GrueMaster, right, sorry
[13:30] <NCommander> [topic] New Specification Discussion
[13:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  New Specification Discussion
[13:30] <GrueMaster> My son is going to be working on getting another 32bit system online this week for LSB testing in my rack, freeing up one of my D945GCLF systems for side by side comparisons.
[13:31] <ogra> NCommander, no armel status ?
[13:32] <lool> Hey folks; missed the beginning of the meeting
[13:32] <plars> hi lool
[13:32] <ogra> yay for DST change :)
[13:32] <plars> heh
[13:32] <NCommander> ogra, we haven't one before, but probably a good idea
[13:32] <NCommander> [topic] armel image status
[13:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  armel image status
[13:32] <ogra> imx51 live looks good ...
[13:32] <lool> May I respectfullly suggest that you drop the Specification review stuff until post UDS?  You can ping people to remind them of writing specifications though
[13:32] <ogra> apart from the syspend/hibernate issues
[13:32] <plars> there are some important bugs on armel I'd like to bring up
[13:33] <plars> the hibernate and suspend resusme ones of course that we discussed earlier
[13:33] <NCommander> dove live looks good based on test results
[13:33] <plars> also bug 458501
[13:33] <ogra> lool, i only asked for it because we might have to have registered for scheduling
[13:33] <lool> On a similar note, Sponsoring isn't really something we should be spending time on at this time of the cycle IMHO
[13:33] <lool> (So probably something which is not worth discussing in the last two weeks before release)
[13:34] <lool> (The list of topics for the meeting were meant to track deliverables and bugs through the cycle for e.g. alpha releases etc.)
[13:34] <NCommander> lool, fair enough.
[13:34]  * ogra thinks its valuable to report sponsoring status at any time
[13:35] <lool> On ARM, I found Dove Y1 install to be quite unstable too, like NCommander
[13:35] <lool> ogra: Most items in the sponsoring queue are not compatible with final freeze
[13:35] <GrueMaster> Am I the only one with working audio on Dove Y1?
[13:35] <NCommander> lool, plars's Y1 was stable though. I'll be investigating this today.
[13:35] <lool> I am also very worried with the babbage 2.0 issue
[13:35] <NCommander> GrueMaster, with yesterday's daily, did yo have any stability issues with your Y1?
[13:35] <ogra> lool, though still i did a sponsoring upload to universe last week
[13:35] <lool> That it doesn't come up after install
[13:36] <plars> GrueMaster: afaik, yes... I still haven't got audio working
[13:36] <GrueMaster> Haven't tested Dove this week yet.
[13:36] <ogra> lool, is there a bug for it ?
[13:36] <lool> I let it run overnight and gdm created so many temp files that it ran out of inodes in the /var/run tmpfs
[13:36]  * ogra hasnt seen one
[13:36] <lool> ogra: No; JamieBennett and I see it, but we don't know what's happening
[13:36] <ogra> sounds definately weird
[13:36] <lool> I couldn't diagnose it enough before leaving and had issues getting a screen to work _at all_ here
[13:36] <GrueMaster> ogra: Bug #451635
[13:36] <lool> (I'm using the sprint's screens and they didn't work with 2.0 and 2.5 boards!!)
[13:37] <ogra> boot with "text"
[13:37] <lool> I had to borrow another screen which does indeed work
[13:37] <ogra> bah
[13:37] <lool> There are also clock issues on 2.0
[13:37] <lool> Perhaps even on 2.5
[13:37] <ogra> lool, tried to boot with a video= cmdline ?
[13:37] <lool> What I think we need to do now for Babbage / Dove is identifying the rough spots of the install and making sure our installation instructions cover them and provide workarounds
[13:37] <lool> ogra: I did, and it didn't help
[13:38] <ogra> might be that the EDID fallback to 1024x768 doesnt work on B2
[13:38] <lool> ogra: video=mxcfb=1024x768@60,bpp=16 to be precise
[13:38] <ogra> very weird
[13:38] <ogra> not sure bpp=16 will be respected
[13:38] <lool> I suspect the EDID support exposes the hardware bug on 2.0/2.5 more or less badly
[13:38] <lool> ogra: What's the correct arg?
[13:38] <ogra> just video=mxcfb=1024x768@60 i think
[13:38] <JamieBennett> ogra: My install boots to GDM then the screen goes blank. A press of the enter key brings it back.
[13:38] <lool> I found it reading the driver's source code; I'm relatively confident it should be
[13:39] <ogra> i have to look it up after the meeting
[13:39] <lool> ogra: I was specifically interested in using bpp=16 since that was a recent change in the kernel
[13:39] <ogra> JamieBennett, sounds like DPMS
[13:39] <lool> JamieBennett: Oh you can _stay_ on the gdm screen?
[13:39] <lool> You're lucky; I dont see anything at all
[13:40] <JamieBennett> Boot to GDM, 1/2 second and the screen goes blank. Press enter key its all back for good
[13:40] <lool> NCommander: Did you update the bootrom version for dove install?
[13:40] <NCommander> lool, not yet, that was on my TODO for today.
[13:40] <lool> JamieBennett: Wow that's not at all what I've been seeing
[13:41] <JamieBennett> lool: strange
[13:41] <lool> NCommander: So I was quite unhappy to discover that the uboot update -- which is more or less required -- itself requires a TFTP server; so far I did everything without and am a bit sad that we require people to have another Ubuntu computer to install Dove boards     :-/
[13:42] <lool> I checked out the Uboot code but there's a cascade of subtle defines and runtime computations for the Uboot NAND/SPI NOR addresses and size and alignment and crazy shit which makes anything but "bubt" unpractical
[13:43] <NCommander> lool, there's a known method for doing a NAND reflash without bubt, but its a bit hit or miss I found
[13:43] <NCommander> lool, we could add a sbubt command somewhat easily though if desirable.
[13:43] <lool> I guess that leaves people who cant use a second computer with the only option of typing uboot commands manually; it would be great to do a uboot upgrade command from memory instead
[13:43] <NCommander> (serial bubt)
[13:44] <lool> NCommander: We'd have to provide tools for the host side as well, and it again means two Ubuntu computers
[13:44] <lool> NCommander: But a mbubt would be fine; we would just tell people to tftpdownload + mbubt, or USB load + mbubt, or serial load + mbubt...
[13:45] <GrueMaster> Considering that to do anything in uboot requires a serial connection to a separate system, isn't this whole argument moot?
[13:45] <lool> I think I did upgrade the bootrom from an USB stick fine though
[13:45]  * NCommander agrees with GrueMaster
[13:45] <lool> GrueMaster: Entering commands can be done from e.g. hyperterminal
[13:45] <NCommander> lool, I could write an entire automatic update system for uboot via boot.scr
[13:45] <NCommander> lool, and I can run TFTP server on Windows as well
[13:45] <GrueMaster> lool: do you honestly thing Ubuntu is the only OS with tftp support?
[13:45] <lool> GrueMaster: I was sad to hear that, but a lot of companies working on ARM devices run Windows for development
[13:46] <lool> GrueMaster: I honestly dont see us providing support for TFTP server instructions on windows...
[13:46] <persia> tftp servers are usually one of the first servers available in an OS.  Lots of old-style fixed-line telephones can run them even :)
[13:46] <GrueMaster> We don't need to.  Only what to put on their tftp server, not what os to run on it.
[13:46]  * NCommander believes the current instructions are written in that mindset
[13:46] <ogra> GrueMaster, the point is that we failed if you *have* to use a serial console
[13:47] <ogra> which you e.g. dont have to do with the babbage images
[13:47] <lool> Well we're discussing uboot upgrades anyway
[13:47] <NCommander> ogra, yes, but to upgrade u-boot in flash to a version that's acceptable requires a serial console
[13:47] <lool> NCommander: I think providing rom + uboot upgrade USB sticks would rock
[13:47] <ogra> ++
[13:47] <GrueMaster> I.e. "Setup a tftp server according to the instructions for your desktop OS..."
[13:47] <NCommander> lool, the problem is theres no sane way to provide feedback that the upgrade is complete
[13:48] <lool> NCommander: LEDs?
[13:48] <ogra> uboot doesnt know when a write finished ?
[13:48] <lool> Anyway, we're getting a bit far from release stuff
[13:48]  * NCommander fires a back on topic cannon
[13:48] <lool> My concern was: installing ubuntu on dove requires a step which requires setting up a tftp server, and that should be fixed
[13:48] <NCommander> [action] lool and NCommander to discuss u-boot upgrades off-channel and report back
[13:48] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool and NCommander to discuss u-boot upgrades off-channel and report back
[13:49] <lool> I'm happy with uboot upgrade usb sticks or with a new mbubt command or any other similar solution
[13:49] <lool> So do we have a finite list of things we need to cover in installation instructions?
[13:49] <NCommander> so as far as release, how are things looking for armel overall?
[13:49] <GrueMaster> Hey, just got a notification that this meeting is to start in 10 minutes.  Gotta love DST.
[13:50] <NCommander> GrueMaster, odd, mine came on time this morning O_o;
[13:50] <ogra> same here
[13:50] <lool> Note: this meeting is likely to run a bit late as to allow us to cover release matters fully
[13:50]  * ogra just got it now+
[13:50] <plars> NCommander: well, there were the bugs I mentioned earlier, that are still pretty high, and in addition, sata on imx51 and sound on dove are still broken
[13:50] <GrueMaster> Anyone know what's going on with bug #431963
[13:50] <NCommander> lool, we'll have to move to #ubuntu-mobile, there's another meeting after us.
[13:51] <ogra> GrueMaster, nothing apart from FSL being on it
[13:51]  * ogra hasnt heard back more
[13:51] <lool> NCommander: I dont see it on the fridge calendar; which one is it?
[13:51] <plars> TB meeting I think is normally right after us
[13:51] <NCommander> lool, oh, whoops, TB isn't meeting this week
[13:51] <lool> GrueMaster: It's not going to be fixed for release; it's targeted as a SRU candidate
[13:51] <StevenK> TB is every 2 weeks
[13:51] <lool> Yes
[13:51] <NCommander> so we're fine here
[13:51] <GrueMaster> I figured that.  Just wanted to make sure someone was on it.
[13:52] <plars> GrueMaster: until then, any testing you do on imx51 should be to something other than sata
[13:52] <lool> ogra: I'm not quite sure FSL cares for it still
[13:52] <lool> ogra: They got the word that we're past kernel freeze now
[13:52] <ogra> hrm
[13:52] <lool> ogra: Would be good if you'd stay on top of it so that they provide a SRU able fix
[13:52] <ogra> do they know that we still fix critical bugs post release ?
[13:52] <ogra> yeah
[13:53] <lool> ogra: You were on the call with me last week and I mentionned that we wanted to still get help from them to fix this bug post release
[13:53] <lool> ogra: I mentionned the first two weeks after release as the time where we should focus on it
[13:53] <ogra> i'll try to provide them more info and dig down to the actual trigger thats spawned by gnome-session post release
[13:53] <lool> (They objected that they could not continue working on karmic forever, asking for a deadline)
[13:53] <GrueMaster> Do we have a 2.6.28 kernel I can test to see if the sata problem goes away?
[13:53] <lool> ogra: A smaller testcase would indeed help
[13:53] <ogra> lool, well, deadline is two weeks post release then
[13:54] <ogra> :)
[13:54] <lool> GrueMaster, ogra: (post release) feel free to run gnome-session --debug from a xterm session and see what's exactly hanging the board
[13:54] <lool> or SATA IO
[13:54] <ogra> right
[13:54] <lool> ogra: Yup, that's what I told them (roughly)
[13:55] <lool> So are there other release worthy ARM bugs to cover?
[13:55] <lool> What I see we need to cover:
[13:55] <lool> Babbage 2.0 display stability issues
[13:55] <plars> lool: we discussed the suspend/resume and lack of hibernate support earlier
[13:55] <lool> SATA IO errors
[13:55] <ogra> babbage hibernate support is missing, seems like a config option in the kernel isnt on, thats surely also SRU worthy
[13:55] <plars> also, on dove only, gnome-screensaver hangs if you lock/unlock the session
[13:55] <lool> plars: Do you think it needs to be covered in release note like material>
[13:56] <GrueMaster> Does anyone else see the babbage 2.5 screen wrap the top few lines to the bottom?
[13:56] <NCommander> lool, probably looking at why we're seeing Y1 instability and plars isn't.
[13:56] <lool> I dont have access to a dove board to look at gnome-screensaver
[13:56] <ogra> (and suspend not finishing needs debugging on imx51)
[13:56] <lool> dyfet: Can you look into this today?
[13:56] <plars> NCommander: oh, others are seeing it too?  I thought you suspected something was up with your board last night
[13:56] <dyfet> I can yes
[13:56] <ogra> GrueMaster, nope
[13:56] <plars> it's bug #458501
[13:57] <NCommander> plars, lool seeing issues with his Y1
[13:57] <GrueMaster> Pfft.  Figures.
[13:57] <lool> plars: I have the feeling we didn't pay much attention to suspend/resume/hibernate so far; I think these are worth trying to fix, but dont need to be explicitely emphasized for release
[13:57] <plars> NCommander: specifics?
[13:57] <NCommander> plars, can't complete installation, board ust completely hangs with the counter stopping
[13:57] <lool> plars: I'm thinking more of things preventing installation, or preventing normal first time use of Ubuntu
[13:57] <lool> Things which would massively confuse folks basically
[13:57] <ogra> lool, they should  be release noted though
[13:57] <lool> dyfet: Cool, assigned to you then
[13:57] <plars> yes, I did 3 installs on dove last night with no hang
[13:57] <ogra> (the suspend/hibernate issues)
[13:58] <dyfet> ok
[13:58] <plars> I did see the cpu_idle and double-bit errors, but those have not caused me any identifiable problems
[13:58] <lool> ogra: Ok; well could you please care for that with slangasek then?
[13:58] <ogra> i will
[13:58] <NCommander> plars, what u-boot/BootROM?
[13:59] <plars> NCommander: don't have it handy, I'll get you that in a bit
[13:59] <plars> NCommander: it's the one you gave me a couple of weeks ago
[13:59] <NCommander> plars, so not BootROM 2.04 :-/
[13:59] <plars> NCommander: uboot-SPI-Y1-1GB_10142009.bin was the filename if that helps
[14:00] <lool> plars: Was the install really slow?
[14:00] <NCommander> yeah, thats based off u-boot 4.3.0
[14:00] <lool> plars: On dove
[14:00] <plars> lool: yes
[14:00] <lool> plars: Probably that should be release noted
[14:00] <plars> lool: possibly so, it doesn't ever actually appear to hang for me though
[14:00] <lool> plars: Does it slow down, or is it constant speed?
[14:01] <lool> plars: Does it take like 1 hour?
[14:01] <plars> lool: I haven't timed it.  The progress bar does seem to go a bit faster at the beginning, but I'm not sure that's an accurate way to say "it's getting slower as it goes"
[14:01] <lool> I guess my question is: does the user see progress all the time, or shall we warn that there is a known bug
[14:02] <plars> lool: the user sees progress all the time, there are no huge gaps, or anything that makes it look like the system has hung during the install
[14:02] <lool> Ok; then we probably do not need to release note it
[14:03] <lool> So I have this list for ARM stuff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/302806/
[14:04] <ogra> lool, suspend/hibernate on dove ?
[14:04] <lool> Oh I have bug #461812 which I need to cover too
[14:04] <plars> lool: suspend/resume and hibernate.... right what he said
[14:04] <lool> (Need to set the time on Babbage 2.x before install)
[14:04] <lool> (for offline install)
[14:04] <lool> What's status of hibernate on dove?
[14:05] <plars> lool: same as on imx51, appears to not be supported
[14:05] <plars> could just be kernel config
[14:05] <ogra> very likely config
[14:05] <lool> plars: And resume just doens't work on babbage?
[14:05] <plars> lool: no way I can see to resume on babbage
[14:06] <lool> Okay
[14:06] <plars> it seems to see that the pwr button was pressed, but doesn't do anything with it
[14:06] <plars> on dove
[14:06] <plars> it tries to resume
[14:06]  * ogra sees "CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND is not set" on imx51
[14:06] <plars> but the system slows to a crawl
[14:06] <lool> plars: That is fine
[14:06] <ogra> might be the blocking factor for suspend
[14:06] <lool> plars: thanks
[14:06] <lool> Did you guys try networkless installs on dove and babbage boards?
[14:07] <ogra> worked fine here when i tried last time on babbage
[14:07] <plars> lool: I couldn't get to imx51 testing last night, GrueMaster said he was going to though.  On dove I did networkless install and it worked
[14:07] <ogra> but thats a while ago, i'll try one today or tomorrow
[14:07] <GrueMaster> I tested Live.  Stoped after install when rebooting into the sata bug.  Will resume with usb sata controller today.
[14:08] <plars> so the workaround for bug 457536 seems to be working
[14:08] <lool> ogra: So you had one relatively recent networkless install of babbage?
[14:08] <lool> I wont keep that on my radar then, feel free to test one or the other
[14:08] <ogra> two weeks ago or so
[14:08] <lool> Do we have general armel bugs which we didn't cover and should?
[14:08] <plars> my battery on my babbage appears to be dead :(
[14:09] <ogra> tried a voltmeter ?
[14:09] <lool> plars: I would recommend measuring voltage and checking whether you can find hardware to replace it
[14:09] <lool> plars: Do you feel like you would be able to solder it out and replace it with a one you'd shop for?
[14:09] <plars> lool: voltage is 0
[14:09] <lool> s/a one/one
[14:10] <lool> plars: I think I agree your battery is dead
[14:10] <ogra> even with power attached to the board ?
[14:10] <lool> :)
[14:10] <ogra> you should see at least some charge power
[14:10] <plars> lool: going to try to get it out of there when I have time... for right now, I'm only running it powered
[14:10] <ogra> even if the battery doesnt charge
[14:11] <lool> plars: If you feel you need advice on hardware or help on replacing the battery, can you bring it up with FSL or ogra/davidm to bring up to FSL?
[14:11] <plars> it would be good if we could at least get a recommended battery from FSL to replace it with
[14:11]  * ogra was actually planning to ask for battery specs next call
[14:11] <ogra> we dont know what to use to replace them
[14:12] <lool> plars: Agreed; in fact, I think you're relatively local, right?  So I guess you could perhaps even get them to replace it for you if they don't mind
[14:12] <ogra> snap
[14:12] <plars> right, I'd feel a lot more comfortable getting that from them rather than guessing
[14:12] <ogra> definately
[14:12] <plars> lool: yes, they are just down in austin, not too far
[14:12] <lool> plars: Sounds worth raising with them
[14:12] <lool> Ok; no other generic ARM bugs?
[14:12] <lool> JamieBennett: Your 2.0 doens't keep the time, right?
[14:13] <JamieBennett> lool: Right
[14:13] <lool> Ok; I need to release note that
[14:13] <lool> NCommander: I think we covered ARM stuff
[14:13] <lool> Just FYI, the images wont get new langpacks
[14:13] <ogra> lool, you said software center would be slow for you on babbage
[14:13] <NCommander> [topic] Any Other Business
[14:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[14:13] <plars> We are expecting a respin across the board at some point today.  Any testing you can do on UNR, moblin-remix, imx51, or Dove, would be greatly appreciated.  And please document your results at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:13] <ogra> lool, why is that ?
[14:13] <lool> (We have a buggy germinate on cocoplum and it's too late to fix)
[14:13] <ogra> ah
[14:14] <GrueMaster> I think we can close bug #417009.  I was able to load Oo.o yesterday on the live image.
[14:14] <lool> GrueMaster: No the original bug is there; we only have a workaround in place
[14:14] <plars> GrueMaster: iirc, that may just be a workaround for the time being
[14:14] <ogra> GrueMaster, its was badly worked around
[14:14] <GrueMaster> ah.
[14:15] <lool> (In general, I think it's best if you only close bug when the root cause is fixed, not when a workaround is applied)
[14:15] <lool> If in doubt, split in two
[14:15] <NCommander> lool, +1
[14:15] <ogra> we should have a special "hacked around" status for these :)
[14:15] <plars> ogra: agree, sometimes it's hard to tell
[14:15] <GrueMaster> I didn't know the current resolution was temporary.  I'm just looking at the list.
[14:15] <ogra> it will be permanent for karmic i think ...
[14:16] <ogra> its just not the proper one
[14:16] <ogra> duct taped ...
[14:16] <lool> I'd like to go back to moblin remix and UNR
[14:16] <lool> (Sorry)
[14:16] <lool> Are there things to cover in the release notes for these?
[14:16]  * StevenK looks for matchsticks
[14:17] <StevenK> (It's 1:15am)
[14:17] <lool> The only open release targeted bugs on UNR was this escaping issue for webfavs
[14:17] <NCommander> [topic] UNR status
[14:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  UNR status
[14:17] <lool> But it's been deferred to SRU
[14:17] <lool> And I dont think it's worth release noting
[14:17]  * ogra hands StevenK broomsticks
[14:17] <GrueMaster> Games folder still overlaps bottom of window in UNR.  Need to release note for (hopefully) sru fix.
[14:17] <plars> hmm
[14:18] <StevenK> ogra: The matchsticks are to hold my eyes open
[14:18] <lool> plars: Do you see any major bumps in moblin remix installation or first time usage which should be covered?
[14:18] <plars> there are a handful of people seeing indicator applet disappear on upgrades to unr karmic
[14:18] <ogra> StevenK, i know :)
[14:18] <plars> might be worth release noting how to work around this problem if you see it
[14:18] <ogra> plars, indicator applet or indicator session ?
[14:18] <lool> Hmm
[14:18] <plars> I don't have a good feel for how much of a problem to expect this to be.  I know of 3 cases of it happening, but I've been unable to reproduce it myself
[14:19]  * ogra just saw someone complaining about -session missing on the ubuntu-users ML
[14:19] <plars> indicator-applet-session - the gnome applet in the upper right hand corner that lets you shutdown
[14:19] <lool> Yeah, my problem is with how it happens exactly; I kind of suspect desktop-switcher before upgrading or something like that
[14:19] <ogra> plars, right
[14:19] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-October/199557.html
[14:19] <plars> it's not that the package didn't install, it's just that it's not running for them
[14:20] <lool> I'll cover these with slangasek; the fact that we don't understand who gets the problem or how it appears makes it a bit hard to word
[14:20] <plars> bug 461115 is the bug on it
[14:20] <lool> "You might or might not miss the shutdown/session menu after an upgrade; in case it goes missing..."
[14:21] <lool> Ok; thanks
[14:21] <lool> I'll check it out with slangasek I think
[14:21] <plars> ok
[14:21] <lool> Any other UNR issues?
[14:21] <lool> JamieBennett: You tested the keyring binaries from the archvie as well?
[14:21] <JamieBennett> lool: Yes, works a treat :)
[14:21] <plars> yes, he mentioned that they were working earlier
[14:22] <lool> Cool
[14:22] <lool> Any other bits for Moblin?
[14:22] <lool> StevenK: Happy with our Moblin / UNR?
[14:22] <StevenK> lool: I am, for the most part
[14:22] <plars> a lot of stuff got fixed with the mutter version change
[14:22] <StevenK> Concerned about the -session bug
[14:22] <plars> one thing of interest... though I can't find the bug on it
[14:22] <JamieBennett> lool: although why you have to unlock the keyring every time you boot to access the network is another issue
[14:23] <plars> is that you have to hunt for the installer
[14:23] <paulliu> lool: Most bugs are seems not important. Or we already know that issue but still waiting the upstream.
[14:23] <lool> StevenK: Which one is that?
[14:23] <plars> it isn't in the favorites that get displayed on the main screen
[14:23] <lool> StevenK: indicator-session?
[14:23] <plars> might be worth a release note
[14:23] <lool> paulliu: Thanks
[14:23] <StevenK> lool: The one that we just talked about
[14:23] <lool> Oh I know
[14:23] <StevenK> plars: Yeah, I tried to fix it, and failed
[14:23] <lool> How to launch the installer in moblin remix should be release noted
[14:23] <plars> interestingly enough, the software center *did* get added there :)
[14:23] <plars> lool: right
[14:24] <GrueMaster> Games folder still overlaps bottom of window in UNR.  Need to release note for (hopefully) sru fix.
[14:24] <GrueMaster> There used to be a bug filed on this, but I'm not seeing it now.
[14:24] <plars> GrueMaster: don't think that one warrants a release note probably
[14:24] <lool> I noted that one down, even if I have to decide with slangasek whether it's release note worthy
[14:24] <davmor2> GrueMaster: there still is a bug on it
[14:24] <plars> GrueMaster: it's bug 445829
[14:25] <lool> I feel like it's an obvious bug and it doesn't block you from installation or normal usage too much
[14:25]  * plars has mad bugfinding skills today
[14:25] <lool> plars: Impressive :)
[14:25] <lool> Ok; do we need to discuss anything else for release?
[14:25] <NCommander> the launchpad-foo is strong with this one
[14:26] <lool> Perhaps someone should give some testing to random images like alternates and netboots for arm/unr if they feel like it
[14:26] <lool> Not needed, just nice to have if you're bored
[14:26] <plars> not just that, but all of them
[14:26] <plars> and *please* log your results on iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:26]  * JamieBennett is downloading the iMX51 image now
[14:26] <lool> Right
[14:26] <lool> Also please add a comment when you "fail" an image
[14:26] <lool> Well sometimes the bug link is enough
[14:27] <lool> But consider adding a comment when it helps clarifying breakage
[14:27] <lool> Ok; I guess we're about to adjourn
[14:27] <lool> Do put some ice in the freezer
[14:27] <lool> To cool the champagne on thursday  ;-)
[14:28] <lool> dyfet: Assigned 458501 to you
[14:28] <ogra> :D
[14:28] <GrueMaster> Champagne?  I'm going for the hard stuff.
[14:28] <lool> NCommander: thanks for chairing
[14:28] <NCommander> lool, np
[14:28] <NCommander> did we do ABO?
[14:28] <lool> Folks I wont be at the meeting next week (traveling) and might not attend regularly future meetings, but if you invite me explicitely to discuss a topic or just ping me during the meeting, I shall be able to comment
[14:29] <StevenK> AOB
[14:29] <StevenK> Not, ABO
[14:29] <NCommander> [topic] Any Other Business
[14:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[14:29] <lool> And I wont be there Friday (leave)
[14:29] <lool> And I'll go walk my dog Sunday
[14:30]  * GrueMaster sits in frustration, watching his dls modem reset continuously through the meeting.
[14:30] <ogra> your dog ?
[14:30] <GrueMaster> s/dls/dsl
[14:30] <NCommander> I might be swapping Friday out
[14:30] <lool> Well I dont have a dog, but couldn't think of something representing personal stuff nobody cares about better  :)
[14:30] <NCommander> So I may beMIA unless I'm needed due to an unforseen issue with release :-)
[14:30] <davmor2> lool: is it a yellowdog :D
[14:30] <lool> StevenK, paulliu: Good night guys
[14:30]  * StevenK goes to find a bed
[14:30] <paulliu> lool: Thank you.
[14:30] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[14:31] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:30.
[14:31] <ogra> lool, well, as long as you dont go buying cigarettes and never return ...
[14:31] <lool> ogra: I will go buying cigarettes in the foundations team next week though
[14:31] <ogra> yeah
[14:31] <lool> (And will never return  ;-)
[14:31] <ogra> but we wont let you off the hook easily :)
[14:31] <ogra> we'll still bother you :P


[10:59] <antoine__> Hello I am trying to read a CD-R on my xubuntu laptop but Thunar won't open it
[10:59] <antoine__> I can see the name of the CD fine in Thunar
[11:00] <antoine__> When I click on mount, it says "Error mounting /dev/sd0 at /media/...: wrong fs type, bad option,, bad suprblock on /dev/sr0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error"
[11:00] <antoine__> dmesg displays a bunch of "UDF-fs: error (device sr0): udf_read_inode: (ino 295035) failed !bh"
[11:01] <antoine__> Along with "UDF-fs: warning (device sr0): udf_load_vrs: No anchor found" and "UDF-fs: warning (device sr0): udf_fill_super: No partition found (1)"
[11:01] <antoine__> So, is my CD dead or am I doing something wrong?
[11:03] <diogenes_> antoine__, most likely CD is damaged.
[11:04] <antoine__> Ok :(, thanks
[11:06] <antoine__> Interesting, when I chose to open it as an Audio CD in VLC, there is some noise
[12:04] <antoine__> diogenes: I copied it with dd and got 35 errors like "I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1304 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x0 phys_seg 1 prio class 0". Is there anything I can do with the file I got?
[12:04] <antoine__> I did `sudo dd if=/dev/sr0 of=out conv=noerror,sync status=progress`
[12:08] <diogenes_> I/O error = can't read = damaged = lost.
[12:13] <Antoine-> diogenes_: Can I not recover the parts of the disk that can be read?
[12:14] <Antoine-> Like, is the whole disk lost if only some parts are unredeable?
[12:33] <dex1983> hi
[12:33] <dex1983> I have a "script"/command which sorts out and delete specific file extensions :"find . -iregex '.*\.\(jpg\|gif\|png\|jpeg\|rar\|txt\|sfv\)$' -delete && find . -type d -empty -delete" - How I can extend it that filename with *foo.123 and smaller than 1 GB will be deleted?
[12:50] <diogenes_> Antoine-, try with photorec.
[12:52] <diogenes_> dex1983, ask in #debian
[12:54] <dex1983> thanks
[13:16] <Antoine-> diogenes_: OK thanks :)
[13:44] <Antoine-> diogenes_: It works :D. Great!
[14:30] <pgpfox> Hi, purchased a Satechi TYPE-C Multiport adapter with usb ports, network, usb-c to HDMI ports, everything works fine except HDMI. When it is plugged in through the adapter, my computer doesnt find the monitor. Anyone know if its possible to solve this or shall i return the adapter?
[15:16] <xu-irc35w> hello
[15:17] <xu-irc35w> do you know where i can find sha256 for xunbuntu iso
[15:18] <Last> bonjour ☺
[15:21] <Last> Xubuntu et très long au démarrage. Je comprends pas pour quoi. J'ai Windows 10 aussi à par et beaucoup plus rapide. 1 idée ?
[15:22] <diogenes_> !fr | Last
[15:23] <Last> OK merci
[15:24] <diogenes_> xu-irc35w, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/
[22:51] <tomtom-> I'm trying to upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04 via do-release-upgrade, but I'm getting an error message complaining about 'mkdir: cannot create directory '/run/user/0': Permission denied'
[22:52] <tomtom-> Full output here: https://pastebin.com/dK57CufF
[23:36] <well_laid_lawn> tomtom-: loos lie it can't find /usr/bin/screen


[01:15] <harrysacks> Wat up homies
[01:20] <h00k> holy smokes away log.
[01:20]  * LjL h00ks h00k onto the l00gs and g00s to sl00p
[01:21] <h00k> LjL: Nighty!
[01:23] <h00k> Jordan_U: consider banning<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:25] <Jordan_U> h00k: Would that be /mode #ubuntu +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[01:25] <h00k> Jordan_U: yeah. I took care of it, banned the .2 they were on, anyway. That'll catch all idents from that range of IPs
[01:25] <h00k> Jordan_U: what client are you using?
[01:26] <Jordan_U> h00k: irssi
[01:26] <h00k> Jordan_U: have you been introduced to autobleh?
[01:27] <Jordan_U> h00k: I've seen it mentioned and downloaded it but I haven't looked into it more than that.
[01:27] <h00k> Jordan_U: I use it, it's quite useful for quick things like that, saves keystrokes
[01:27] <h00k> Jordan_U: for instance, I did:
[01:27] <h00k> /ab RodStiffins
[01:28] <h00k> and it opped me, banned them, and deopped me
[01:29] <h00k> Jordan_U: alternatively, you could set up your own aliases
[01:30] <RodStiffins> I demand you unban me
[01:31] <h00k> RodStiffins: I'm not finding your idents appropriate for the channel, or the #ubuntu-*space. In addition, the !attitude isn't quite appropriate
[01:31] <h00k> ubottu: tell RodStiffins about attitude
[01:31] <h00k> ubottu: tell RodStiffins about coc
[01:31] <RodStiffins> my name is rod stiffins......
[01:32] <h00k> RodStiffins: there were other idents you used previously, also.  I'm not entertaining the idea of unbanning you at the moment.
[01:34] <RodStiffins> thats my other name
[01:34] <h00k> RodStiffins: Please part the channel. Apparently we're not going to get anywhere on this issue.
[01:35] <h00k> RodStiffins: please take some time to read the Code of Conduct as I've linked to you
[01:37] <h00k> RodStiffins: Please part the channel, this channel isn't for idling
[01:38] <h00k> Thanks, peer.
[03:37] <rww> . !envyng appears to be out of date. the envyng-* packages haven't existed since Karmic. I don't know enough to fix this, though.
[03:40]  * tonyyarusso introduces rww to 'forget'
[03:55] <rww> Works for me. You'd want to !forget envy too, btw (alias).
[03:59] <rww> I wonder how long the timeout on /at quiets is ;D
[04:01] <rww> ah, 10 minutes
[05:43] <johzephine> Hi.  Can I get someone banned from the ubuntu channels for inappropriate PMs?
[05:44] <johzephine> or should I just deal with it myself?
[05:44] <rww> johzephine: Channel operators can't stop people from PMing you, and generally don't act on them unless someone's PMing everyone in a channel with spam, or something similar.
[05:44] <Captainkrtek> hello, anyone know who I can contact about hosting a mirror for ubuntu distros?
[05:44] <Captainkrtek> I have multiple servers
[05:44] <rww> johzephine: You can ask in #freenode, but if it's just someone with a personal problem with you, they'll likely tell you to just use /ignore
[05:44] <tonyyarusso> Captainkrtek: I can dig up the link - hold on
[05:44] <johzephine> rww: I just read that in the other channel, thanks.
[05:44] <Captainkrtek> thank you tonyyarusso :)
[05:44]  * rww was just digging up the Mirrors link to post in #ubuntu >.>
[05:45] <Captainkrtek> haha
[05:45] <Captainkrtek> thanks guys :)
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> Captainkrtek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[05:45] <Captainkrtek> thanks tony!
[05:47] <Captainkrtek> quick question about this part
[05:47] <Captainkrtek> 382GB of disk space for the Ubuntu package archive.
[05:47] <Captainkrtek> 39GB for Ubuntu release CD images.
[05:47] <Captainkrtek> can I just host one of the two?
[05:47] <rww> Captainkrtek: probably better to move back to #ubuntu, we're not really the right channel for this :)
[05:48] <Captainkrtek> okay sorry
[05:48] <rww> ikonia: fyi (since I think you've talked about this in the past), I've been keeping an eye on the open proxy bans for the last few days, and it doesn't seem like they're growing at a problematic rate. I'll start removing them if they become an issue, though (and am going to talk to LjL about whether he has recommendations for how many days to keep them around)
[05:57] <rww> tonyyarusso: (in reply to something from a while back) the LP project for the ubuntu bots doesn't cover FloodBots, btw. Says so on the bug reporting page.
[05:57] <tonyyarusso> o rly?  Well that's silly.
[05:58] <rww> not really. the floodbots aren't open source, so the number of people who can work on bugs is significantly smaller than the number of people who can work on ubottu etc. bugs.
[05:59] <tonyyarusso> Well, fine, then there should be a separate project so we still have somewhere to report issues.
[06:01] <rww> *sings* My bugtracker has a nickname, it's L - j - L.
[06:01]  * tonyyarusso files bug - the bugtracker is down
[06:02] <rww> I like to annoy him every day / and if you ask me why I'll say / LjL has a way with b - u - g - s.
[06:02] <rww> tonyyarusso: memoserv!
[06:05] <rww> heads up that DrFrohman's banned from two channels for team trolling, and DevilDragon showed up at the same time as him the last time he was in #ubuntu-offtopic. And they just joined #ubuntu.
[06:07] <rww> s/banned/removed/
[06:08] <rww> or one and I missed him the other time. or something. I don't know, it's late. keep an eye on him if he starts talking ;P
[06:40] <IdleOne> rww you called it
[07:03] <rww> Eight, incidentally, is part of the same group.
[07:13] <rww> wait, what the heck. since ohaitharbaby was DrFrohman on webchat (on the same hostname), why did FloodBot banexempt him :\
[07:16] <rww> hrm, probably related to it trying to set a ban on his hostname minus the last two letters. bug, I guess.
[07:22] <tonyyarusso> Anyone care to update factoids (!alpha, !alpha1, !natty) to reflect the fact that Natty now has an Alpha 1 released?
[07:24] <rww> I'd recommend just updating /topic #ubuntu+1 for alpha release announcement. Keeping factoids up to date is harder.
[07:25] <rww> (heck, !natty would be better with "not stable" instead of pre-alpha or alpha, imho)
[07:27] <Flannel> "you'll poke your eye out on that horn"
[07:28] <rww> "Natty is undomesticated and is not intended for production systems."
[07:29] <Flannel> "Narwhals are known to be rambunctious and should not be trusted with your important data"
[08:28] <ikonia> rww: how are you verifying if they are open proxies ?
[08:44] <love_robot> :)
[08:44] <ikonia> love_robot: what's the smile for ?
[08:45] <love_robot> I'm sure you can use simple logic to deduce it.
[08:45] <ikonia> I can't thats why I'm asking
[08:47] <love_robot> You'll live.
[08:47] <ikonia> that makes no sense
[08:47] <ikonia> love_robot: come back when you can actually have a conversation or answer questions without cryptic answers
[08:48] <rww> ikonia: I'm not. If that's the issue you had with them, I misparsed you :(
[08:48] <ikonia> rww: once love_robot's sorted I'll explain, see if we are in line
[08:48] <rww> k
[08:50] <ikonia> love_robot: unless you can answer questions without coded responses, please leave this channel and come back later
[08:51] <love_robot> I assume reasoning is weak for some one like you if it is difficult for you to "realize" why I would join back into the channel and type a ":)".
[08:52] <ikonia> love_robot: not at all, I'm asking you a question to allow you to explain your self rather than take my perception
[08:52] <ikonia> love_robot: if you want me to go with my perception, you can leave the channel now, as my perception is for you to mock your behaviour in #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:52] <rww> love_robot: You possibly know this already, but you're currently in #ubuntu-ops, because you're banforwarded here from #ubuntu-offtopic.
[08:54] <love_robot> rww: Yes, I realized it. It's not serious enough for me to fully explain to ikonia as to why I would find it amusing to be banned for typing "wtf".
[08:54] <love_robot> Or rather stating that "you will live".
[08:54] <ikonia> love_robot: then the conversation is done, come back when you do have time to explain
[08:54] <rww> love_robot: Alrighty, just checking, since "join back into the channel" sounded like you didn't know :). *hands back the mic to ikonia*
[08:55] <ikonia> I'm done
[08:55] <ikonia> love_robot: please come back later
[08:56] <love_robot> rww: Thanks for being more reasonable in the past than the acronym nazi ikonia.
[08:56] <love_robot> :) enjoy your Ubuntu
[08:56] <ikonia> bye
[08:56] <ikonia> the only reason he was banned is I've asked him 2 times to stop using "wtf", and this is the 3rd time, and instead of saying "sure" he comes back with clever responses
[08:57] <ikonia> if he's have not been stupid I'd have removed the ban straight away once he agreed to stop properly
[08:57] <mneptok> he had me at "acronym nazi"
[08:58] <ikonia> lots of people complain that wtf is acceptable, and if the council change the policy I won't have a problem with it
[09:00] <rww> I'm not really bothered either way on it. The fact that he knows he was breaking the guidelines and was being silly about it is a bigger problem imho.
[09:00] <ikonia> great, now getting hassle from drmanhatten that the rule is stupid and no-one will follow it
[09:01] <ikonia> rww back to the open proxies
[09:01] <ikonia> rww: my issue is that the flood bots method of detection doesn't appear to be accureate, I've run scans on a few of the boxes it's banned and they are not open proxies
[09:01] <ikonia> they are on a list listed as once open proxies, but when I try to use them or test them on their open ports, they are blocked/not responding
[09:02] <ikonia> most of what I'm seeing as false positives are dynamic IP's so may have been once a proxy, but are not now
[09:03] <rww> Ah. Yeah, that's definitely a concern.
[09:03] <rww> I don't know if this is a deliberate change, but the last open proxy FloodBot detected didn't get banned, so maybe LjL switched it to notification-only.
[09:04] <rww> in which case all of this is moot, I guess. (I only noticed this after I mentioned it originally)
[09:04] <ikonia> I hadn't noticed that change
[09:04] <ikonia> did it get kicked ?
[09:05] <rww> ikonia: nope, but it triggered the channel going +r
[09:06] <rww> ikonia: misaki, /joined about 2 hours ago
[09:06] <ikonia> hmmm
[09:07] <ikonia> DrManhattan is really attempting to be as derogatory as possible
[09:09] <ikonia> he's trying to provoke me so he can kick up a stink (in my opinion)
[09:14] <Myrtti> moin
[09:16] <ikonia> back later
[09:45] <rww> Apparently today's IP for large numbers of users on the same connection is <IP_ADDRESS>. Tell your friends!
[09:54] <Myrtti> do they win any prizes?    Are you? :-D
[18:38] <Myrtti> !ua
[19:21] <rww> ikonia: I agree he's trying to be an issue. I prefer this to the extended dialogs on his relationship problems, though, so unless he clearly crosses a line, I plan on leaving him be.
[19:37] <rww> topyli: Did y'all make any progress on finding us newbie ops someone to annoy^W^W^Wmentors?
[19:38] <Myrtti> I can always be annoyed.
[19:38] <Myrtti> I get great pleasure out of it.
[19:39] <rww> Oh, so /that/'s why you rejoined #ubuntu-offtopic.
[19:39] <Myrtti> yeah, masochism
[19:39]  * knome pokes Myrtti in the side
[19:40] <Myrtti> I also listen to William Shatner and poke toothpicks under my nails for fun
[19:41] <topyli> rww: yes we have new ops!
[19:41] <topyli> yes we have new mentors!
[19:45] <jussi> rww: you got topyli iirc
[19:45] <mneptok> we need new mentats.
[19:46] <jussi> mneptok: no, no new tats are needed in this world
[19:46] <topyli> jussi: yeah i just forgot to contact rww. fixed all that by pm 5 seconds ago .)
[19:46] <jussi> :D
[19:46] <topyli> add eyes as appropriate
[19:46] <topyli> (to the smiley)
[19:46]  * Myrtti pokes herself in the eye
[19:47] <rww> ubottu is the kwisatz haderach
[19:47] <jussi> topyli: good thing rww knows how to ask in here in anycase :D
[19:47]  * Myrtti sneaks an extra eye from topyli
[19:47] <topyli> gaaaa blindness
[19:48] <jussi> lol... look, its topyli!! http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/bizarre&id=7823023
[19:52] <topyli> actually, that's bilal :)
[19:52] <jussi> haha
[19:53] <topyli> that's his last name though
[19:54] <IdleOne> I see no good coming from having a cam bolted to the back of your head
[19:54] <IdleOne> except maybe when playing paintball
[19:55] <IdleOne> nice to see that guy who shoots you in the back
[19:55] <topyli> it's always lemmy. he said so
[19:56] <topyli> actually i don't remember the lyrics, maybe he says it's somebody else who is "always gonna shoot you in the back", not him
[19:56] <topyli> i have to look this up
[19:58] <topyli> it's the rider wearing black. sounds like lemmy alright. http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Shoot-You-In-The-Back-lyrics-Motorhead/9BEA0106976A127C48256C55000C3592
[19:59] <topyli> i wonder who did that transcription but it's quite terrible
[20:19] <rww> How long do bantracker session URLs stay valid for?
[20:22] <IdleOne> for ever! "4 eva?" for ever ever and ever
[20:23] <IdleOne> I remember seeing something about 45 days but who knows where and what it was about
[20:26] <Pici> rww: Looks like its a month
[20:26] <Pici> no.. wait.
[20:26] <Pici> rww: 3 months.
[20:27] <Pici> via: cur.execute("""DELETE FROM sessions WHERE time < %d""", int(time.time()) - 2592000 * 3)
[20:27] <rww> alrighty
[20:28]  * rww sets /alias btlogin echo http://ubottu.com/etc.
[20:38] <Myrtti> I'd feel more comfortable if it were considerably shorter time
[20:40] <rww> Pici: does issuing @btlogin give a new session URL and invalidate any old ones from that user?
[20:40] <Tm_T> IIRC yes
[20:41] <Myrtti> I'd still feel a whole lot more comfortable if the session were say, one month or ... 14 days
[20:41] <Tm_T> yup
[20:58] <tsimpson> Myrtti: how come?
[20:58] <tsimpson> (and HI!)
[21:00] <Myrtti> tsimpson: because it would be safer?
[21:00] <tsimpson> safer how though?
[21:00] <topyli> those urls are pretty hard to guess
[21:01] <Myrtti> I guess firesheep wouldn't catch it...
[21:01] <Myrtti> OH SNAP!
[21:01] <Myrtti> it would.
[21:01] <topyli> okay
[21:02] <tsimpson> it's a cookie, when you go to the BT with sess=... it sets the cookie to the content of sess
[21:02] <rww> ja, I'd be more concerned about it not using HTTPS, personally ;)
[21:03] <topyli> meh, how come we are on irc anyway, jabber is more secure
[21:03] <tsimpson> (it is a little more complex that I stated above, but...)
[21:03] <tsimpson> ah, but freenode has SSL now :)
[21:03] <topyli> oh yeah
[21:03] <Jordan_U> rww: It not using https is why firesheep works.
[21:03] <rww> but ubottu isn't using SSL ;)
[21:04] <topyli> nor me
[21:04] <topyli> i think
[21:04] <Myrtti> QED
[21:04] <tsimpson> well, it is and it isn't
[21:04] <Jordan_U> topyli: Nope.
[21:05] <topyli> well i know i'm using ssl to connect to my bouncer but i'm pretty sure the bouncer is not using ssl to connect to freenode
[21:05] <Pici> topyli: it isn't.
[21:05] <Pici> your /whois info would say.
[21:05] <topyli> i'm old school, leave me alone!
[21:06]  * Pici isn't on ssl either.
[21:06] <topyli> unless you want me to fix it
[21:08] <Myrtti> besides I don't understand why the session needs to be so long
[21:08] <Myrtti> I assume we're all on IRC when we need the bantracker, so renewing the session for using the BT shouldn't be too hard
[21:08] <tsimpson> it's supposed to be so people don't have to @btlogin all the time, but people tend to do it regardless
[21:09] <tsimpson> at least that's my guess, the BT session has always been 3 months
[21:09]  * Pici doesn't
[21:09] <Myrtti> if there is a sane explanation why it's so long, then I stand corrected, but surely it's not such a chore to just log in again
[21:10] <tsimpson> there is absolutely nothing sane about any part of the ubottu code :)
[21:10] <IdleOne> in that case can I dcc chat ubottu to have ban tracker access?
[21:11] <IdleOne> since we are being insane
[21:11] <topyli> i like going to the web interface using browser history
[21:11] <Pici> I rarely @btlogin, unless I'm on a new computer.
[21:11] <tsimpson> insane != masochistic
[21:11] <topyli> sam thing here
[21:11] <rww> I like my /alias :S
[21:11] <Pici> I also have bookmarks setup for different useful bantracker views.
[21:12] <Myrtti> right
[21:12] <Pici> Like for finding active bans set by myself.
[21:12] <Myrtti> Pici: but they'd work after you've authenticated anyway
[21:12] <topyli> they wouldn't
[21:12] <Pici> I'd have to click again.
[21:12] <Pici> but thats okay.
[21:13] <Myrtti> yes, you'd have to click again, after *that* they'd work again
[21:13] <Myrtti> nevermind
[21:13] <Myrtti> I'll just crawl into my paranoid little world and stop worrying about the bomb
[21:13] <topyli> nobody told me this! i'm dumb and i need to be told these things
[21:14] <tsimpson> I'm not saying 3 months is a good or bad number, just that that's what the number is and I have never bothered changing it
[21:14] <bazhang> I @btlogin every time
[21:14]  * Pici pats bazhang
[21:14] <topyli> hähä
[21:15] <Myrtti> I don't have any ubuntu related bookmarks.
[21:15] <Myrtti> even less any related to... IRC...
[21:15] <Pici> :(
[21:16] <Myrtti> and I don't have a love relationship with ubottu so I don't have a query with her open all the time
[21:16] <topyli> i took a clue from Myrtti many moons ago and have very few bookmarks altogether. epiphany and chromium are pretty good at knowing where you're going anyway
[21:17] <Pici> Myrtti: I do :o
[21:17] <Myrtti> I've got only work-related or temporary bookmarks
[21:17] <Myrtti> everything that needs to stay permanently is in delicious
[21:17] <rww> I change browsers more often than I change jeans, so no bookmarks here :S
[23:01] <Flannel> Myrtti: I do too!  irssi even saves it for me.
[23:01] <Flannel> she's window 8!
[23:01] <knome> nah, windows from 2 to 10 are reserved for channels
[23:02] <knome> queries are in the "letters"
[23:02] <Flannel> knome: 8 is ubottu, 9 used to be chanserv, now it's alis.
[23:02] <knome> this is 9 :)
[23:02] <Flannel> 17!
[23:02] <knome> 17 would suit ubottu
[23:02] <knome> alt+u(bottu)
[23:03] <Tm_T> ubottu in window 57 (should move it back to the end of the row, 80+ ?)
[23:04] <knome> wait...
[23:04] <knome> i didn't fire up spotify
[23:04] <knome> what happened?
[23:04] <knome> just asked me for pass
[23:10] <topyli> it wants you to play some motörhead
[23:11] <knome> not really:)
[23:11] <topyli> probably 'we are the road crew'
[23:11] <Tm_T> !wtf > Wolfcastle
[23:12] <topyli> (actually motörhead is one of those you won't find there iirc)
[23:12] <knome> topyli, i'm actually listening to random songs from my own library, a track from athlete just started ;)
[23:13] <topyli> fair enough :)
[23:26] <bazhang> was that kill by idoru warranted?


[12:09] <sil2100> Hey everyone! Bileto autopkgtests should be back up! xnox, slyon
[12:26] <xnox> oooh nice
[14:38] <xnox> juliank:  my simple autopkgtest in reprepro to import hello.deb passes locally in like chroot / autopkgtest null runner, but fails on our infra
[14:38] <xnox> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/reprepro/impish/amd64
[14:38] <xnox> the reprepro is forking zstd to decompress, rather than using a library, and it seems like it is broken when doing so =(
[14:38] <xnox> import-hello.sh      FAIL stderr: zstd: /*stdout*\: Broken pipe
[14:39] <xnox> i wonder what am i doing wrong in reprepro....
[14:39] <xnox> no closing file descriptors or some such, when forking to decompressor, etc.
[14:40] <juliank> xnox: Have you run it locally with < /dev/null? might be worth a try
[14:41] <juliank> xnox: aka, there's no tty attached to stdin, nor any input, on the cloud; if you run it locally, it might behave differently
[14:42] <juliank> xnox: unless you use the VM runner of autopkgtest or make stdin be /dev/null
[14:54] <xnox> juliank:  did not try vm runner locally => will do. But i think even that was different to the way we ssh into the instance in our cloud.
[14:55] <xnox> juliank:  tried stdin to be /dev/null locally => but not sure how that will make a difference to stdout
[14:56] <juliank> xnox: It's true nova ssh is different too
[14:56] <juliank> xnox: vms are best approximation we have, though
[14:57] <juliank> xnox: I can interactively debug on scalingstack tomorrow if needed
[15:04] <xnox> juliank:  that would be nice. My next goal with reprepro is to integrate the testtool, now that i got a pointer to it.
[15:04] <xnox> juliank:  and then actually move zstd from forking to zstd, to use libzstd instead.
[15:04] <xnox> with tests.


[03:57] <timrc> wgrant: Long time no speak :) I've observed strange behavior with "apt-cache show"... I was hoping you could set me straight :)
[04:00] <wgrant> timrc: Hi! It's been a while. What's the issue?
[04:01] <timrc> wgrant: This one is weird.  Ansible has a module called 'apt_repository' and this module will create a sources file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d if it doesn't already exist and give it a file mode.  This file mode _weirdly_ defaults to 420 (root user readable, root group writeable)
[04:02] <wgrant> That sounds like a very special module.
[04:02] <timrc> If you were to "apt-cache show some-package" as a non-root user, apt-cache show wouldn't find anything.
[04:03] <timrc> The reason _seems_ to be that it scans /etc/apt/sources.list.d and if it can _open_ the file, it will use it when scanning /var/lib/apt/lists
[04:03] <timrc> But in my case the user executing "apt-cache show" can read the /var/lib/apt/lists location.
[04:04] <timrc> So I could literally grep for the package I'm interested in /var/lib/apt/lists but I could not discover it using "apt-cache show"
[04:05] <wgrant> timrc: That's normal. /etc/apt/sources.list and co are all meant to be world-readable.
[04:05] <wgrant> There are separate files for creds if need be.
[04:06] <timrc> Okay so the assumption is that you're not using weird modes on /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:06] <timrc> Though wouldn't it be better to just do the c++ equivalent of "ls -1 /etc/apt/sources.list" and use that to compose your search space?
[04:07] <timrc> Oh wait scratch that, it needs the url to reconstruct the cache file name.
[04:10] <timrc> wgrant: Thanks =)
[04:15] <wgrant> timrc: Right, it could approximate that by just looking at every file in /var/lib/apt/lists, but there can be other properties in sources.list (eg. disabling signature verification) that mean it can't really do that.
[04:21] <timrc> Wow... so the person who wrote this module had the right idea.  This is a real bug... the default mode is 0644, but he does int('0644', 8) which turns it into 420 and then I guess does a chmod 420 on the file.
[04:22] <wgrant> Heh
[04:22] <wgrant> That'd do it.
[04:22] <timrc> I just thought he was smoking pot.


[01:31] <_marx_> ping akgraner
[01:40] <Nivex> holstein: if it were one of those problems, it would have ended "What is the network administrator's name?"
[01:40] <Nivex> :)