[00:01] <zoredache> pr0n?
[00:01] <thyrax> media mainly for the home.  I get all the porn channels for free though. due to my leet satellite skills.
[00:05] <thyrax> XD
[00:06] <soldats> hahahah i wish i had some skills liek thoze
[00:06] <thyrax> one day my apprentice. one day....
[00:06] <soldats> i have to search hard on the internet for it
[00:06] <soldats> hhahaha
[00:07] <thyrax> lol the internet is basically pron itself
[00:07] <evil_tech> you should give me a way to get at all that media goodness
[00:07] <evil_tech> >:D
[00:08] <thyrax> I may upgrade my connection to 10down 1 up so we can make deal you provide som of that spare hdd goodness and ill trade you some gigabytes
[00:08] <soldats> media goodness is a good way to describe it
[00:09] <evil_tech> i could hook you up with my spare 20gigs or less drives
[00:09] <thyrax> yep sure is. I guessed how much pron I have I am really not sure I have so much stuff scattered across many hard drives. one I set up this array it will be organised.
[00:09] <thyrax> evil_tech that's what I was talking about ;)
[00:10] <thyrax> any of you guys own an xbox360 by any chance?
[00:10] <thyrax> I was wondering if there was an easy way to set up ubuntu to work with it
[00:10] <thyrax> If not ill just stick with xbmc till xbmc linux is done
[00:11] <thyrax> and hopefully the ps3 when it gets divx support they will add .mkv and .ogm support as well
[00:12] <soldats> thyrax, a few days ago i heard someone saying they had ubuntu installed on an xbox
[00:13] <soldats> i have not the slightest clue as to how they did it though
[00:13] <evil_tech> hmm i might have to try raid arrays
[00:13] <evil_tech> ive gotta bunch of scsi drives
[00:14] <thyrax> soldats: it's not very function on the xbox360 but I'm sure it will work on the original xbox I run xbmc on that though.
[00:15] <thyrax> evil_tech: I have some scsi drives what do I need to interface them with a pc?
[00:15] <evil_tech> an appropriate scsi card
[00:15] <thyrax> I toook them out of a compaq array not sata but scsi
[00:15] <thyrax> took*
[00:15] <evil_tech> what does the connection on the drive look like
[00:15] <thyrax> can you send me a link?
[00:15] <thyrax> it's long
[00:16] <evil_tech> like an oversized IDE connector
[00:16] <thyrax> hold on a sec let me take a glance at it
[00:16] <soldats> thyrax, thats cool i only heard that someone had it.
[00:16] <thyrax> its not sata
[00:16] <thyrax> yes
[00:16] <evil_tech> then you need a 50pin scsi card
[00:16] <thyrax> wait
[00:16] <thyrax> 1 sec
[00:16] <evil_tech> ok
[00:17] <thyrax> all right its like a long sata
[00:17] <thyrax> very long
[00:17] <evil_tech> pic?
[00:17] <thyrax> I'll take a quick pic and upload it 1 sec
[00:17] <evil_tech> ok
[00:18] <evil_tech> if its what i think it is that plugs into a backplane
[00:22] <thyrax> crap it did
[00:23] <thyrax> but I took it apart
[00:26] <evil_tech> it look like this
[00:26] <evil_tech> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=22-116-001-02.jpg&Image=22-116-001-01.jpg%2c22-116-001-02.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&Depa=1&Description=Fujitsu+36.7GB+3.5%22+SCSI+Ultra320+68pin+Hard+Drive
[00:26] <evil_tech> or like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=22-116-002-02.jpg&Image=22-116-002-01.jpg%2c22-116-002-02.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&Depa=1&Description=Fujitsu+36.7GB+3.5%22+SCSI+Ultra320+80pin+Hard+Drive
[00:27] <evil_tech> dangit thats huge should have pastebin that
[00:27] <evil_tech> sorry
[00:27] <somerville32> Not really big, lol
[00:28] <somerville32> Besides, it isn't like this is an overly high traffic channel
[00:28] <somerville32> :]
[00:28]  * somerville32 hugs evil_tech
[00:28] <evil_tech> tell that to TheSheep
[00:28] <evil_tech> :D
[00:28] <soldats> somerville32, thats why i perfer this channel
[00:29] <evil_tech> i get lost in #ubuntu
[00:29] <somerville32> :)
[00:29] <thyrax> no evil it doesn't
[00:29] <soldats> yes it seems to me that people in this channel are more gracious for the help they get
[00:30] <thyrax> trying to dcc send it
[00:31] <evil_tech> so it looks like a oversized IDE
[00:31] <thyrax> no
[00:31] <thyrax> more like an over sized sata
[00:31] <thyrax> im sending it says awaiting reply
[00:32] <evil_tech> i dont know if you can send me files. im using irssi
[00:33] <thyrax> oh
[00:33] <soldats> irssi should support files as far as i know
[00:33] <thyrax> it says timed out ill upload it whats a quick omage upload site?
[00:33] <thyrax> image*
[00:34] <soldats> photobucket
[00:34] <evil_tech> actually what does the label on the drive say
[00:34] <evil_tech> we can look it up that way
[00:34] <evil_tech> probably easier and faster
[00:34] <thyrax> wooooo hooo ups girl ust brought my last 500gig drive!
[00:34] <thyrax> sweetness!!!
[00:34] <evil_tech> :D
[00:35] <soldats> was she a babe
[00:35] <thyrax> ill upload this pic then open it up :) that makes 5x500gig hdd goodness :D
[00:35] <soldats> geeze thats a lot of gigs
[00:35] <thyrax> she was ok my girlfriend is hotter though.
[00:35] <soldats> cool lucky you
[00:35] <thyrax> lol i was thinking the same thing
[00:36] <soldats> hahah
[00:36] <evil_tech> how much did you pay each for them 500gigs
[00:38] <thyrax> well I already had 3 so I just bought two more
[00:39] <thyrax> 2 of them were full so now I have 3 empty
[00:39] <thyrax> wd5000aaks
[00:39] <thyrax> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9149/mycompaqscsidriveve5.jpg
[00:39] <thyrax> thats the drive i was talking about not the wd5000aaks
[00:40] <thyrax> I have 14 of those scsi drives 18g each not sure what I need to use them though pulled them out of a compaq array
[00:40] <evil_tech> hmm that looks like 80 pin scsi
[00:40] <soldats> arent those around 65 dollars
[00:40] <thyrax> which the scsi drive I just posted?
[00:40] <evil_tech> dunno if they make cards with those connectors or just backplanes
[00:40] <thyrax> I still have the backpane was hoping I could find some other way to hook it up
[00:41] <evil_tech> i think that specific connector is used for backplanes only. not 100% on that though
[00:41] <evil_tech> not even 10%
[00:41] <evil_tech> i think they make adapter back to 68pin though
[00:41] <evil_tech> then you could hook it up via a normal 68pin scsi card
[00:42] <thyrax> hmmm
[00:42] <thyrax> well they have been sitting here for ages
[00:43] <thyrax> I got the array off ebay
[00:44] <evil_tech> i'd google for a scsi card for it with the numbers off the drive
[00:44] <evil_tech> there has to be some way to interface those without a backplane
[00:44] <thyrax> that's what ill no rush :)
[00:44] <thyrax> ill do*^
[00:45] <evil_tech> i need to hunt around my shop for a case to shove the 4 4.5gb and 3 9gig scsi i have around here into
[00:46] <thyrax> why are there so many different scsi connections
[00:46] <evil_tech> different speeds
[00:47] <thyrax> when you mount a raid array does it matter where you mount it?
[00:48] <thyrax> I mounted my raid 1 aray in the mnt folder
[00:48] <evil_tech> http://distance-ed.bcc.ctc.edu/cs110rh/IT217/week05/25_SCSI.htm
[00:48] <thyrax> and I need to launch nautilis as root to access it
[00:49] <thyrax> so mines sca80?
[00:49] <evil_tech> think so
[00:51] <thyrax> there are a number of different converters
[00:51] <thyrax> the thing is its only approx 252gigs unformatted
[00:51] <thyrax> so I might sell or trade them to some one that has more use for them
[00:53] <evil_tech> that could work
[00:53] <evil_tech> dang it the only case that will fit 7 drives is already in use
[00:53] <Rafabe> Hi...people in #ubuntu told me to install Xubuntu because of my low-end system (P3 1GHz, 256mb of RAM). I was wondering what would change exactly between Gnome and XCFE? Wikipedia doesn't dwell on it.
[00:54] <zoredache> Rafabe: the thing that seems to be noted most frequently here is the lack of integrated network browsing
[00:55] <soldats> Rafabe, nothing much everythign should be almost the wame
[00:55] <Rafabe> not sure what you mean...can you give me an example?
[00:55] <evil_tech> compiz is finicky as well though i doubt you're that interested given the specs
[00:55] <Gomex> Good evening
[00:55] <soldats> same
[00:55] <soldats> hello
[00:55] <Gomex> is there here samebody from brazil?
[00:56] <soldats> no sorry
[00:56] <evil_tech> nope
[00:56] <thyrax> not I
[00:56] <soldats> Rafabe, i have the same system as you do
[00:56] <zoredache> wth gnome, you can browse windows system and access smb-based shares...  xfce doesn't include any network clients... if you want to access something you would need to mount it in a cli
[00:56] <Gomex> i am really interested in into xubuntu project in Brazil...
[00:56] <Rafabe> ah, that's something I would be interested in, because I move files a lot between our computers
[00:57] <Gomex> ok, my english isn't good
[00:57] <Rafabe> in fact I was hoping this computer would act as a media center, but also a file share location
[00:57] <Rafabe> do you think I'm better off going for an older Ubuntu?
[00:57] <soldats> Rafabe, i used ubuntu for a long time and i had no problem with it but i switched to xubuntu because my comp ran faster with it
[00:57] <soldats> i do a lot of graphics editing
[00:57] <evil_tech> the system requirements dont change a whole lot
[00:58] <evil_tech> and your specs should be able to run ubuntu
[00:58] <evil_tech> i might up the ram to 512
[00:58] <Rafabe> not worth it to upgrade this PC
[00:58] <evil_tech> but it should be fairly usable
[00:58] <soldats> yes 512 is geed enough for ubuntu
[00:58] <Rafabe> allright
[00:58] <evil_tech> you in the WA area
[00:58] <Rafabe> thanks for your help
[00:58] <Rafabe> no, Quebec
[00:58] <evil_tech> i could hook oyu up with some SDRAM
[00:58] <evil_tech> >:D
[00:58] <Rafabe> thanks for the offer
[00:58] <evil_tech> np
[00:59] <Gomex> Rafabe: I thing that older ubuntu wont faster
[00:59] <soldats> evil_tech, damn i wish you were in the az area i need some badly and im outta cash
[00:59] <Gomex> just will old
[00:59] <Rafabe> gomex: not faster, but it would have the network features
[00:59] <evil_tech> lol
[00:59] <Gomex> Rafabe: like what?
[00:59] <evil_tech> i personally only have a few 256 sticks lying about the house
[00:59] <Rafabe> having a file share between multipel computers
[01:00] <evil_tech> should test them though before offering them to folks
[01:00] <thyrax> brb
[01:00] <evil_tech> you could try getting some for cheap off ebay or craigslist
[01:00] <Gomex> Rafabe: it is sambam correct?
[01:00] <soldats> Rafabe, if you want nice looking network features stay with ubuntu "gnome" if you want a faster system go with xubuntu
[01:00] <Gomex> samba, sorry...
[01:00] <soldats> yea ive looked nothing is of interest
[01:01] <Gomex> Rafabe: i have Xubuntu 7.10 and have shared file options
[01:01] <Rafabe> i think i'll try 7.04 (because I already have the CD, as well as 7.10), then if I feel it's too slow I'll go for Xubuntu 7.10
[01:01] <Rafabe> can't download Xubuntu until monday anyway
[01:01] <evil_tech> you could try getting rid of unneeded background apps in ubuntu
[01:01] <soldats> Rafabe, i dont think either one is slow in accordance of each other but chose what is comfortable for you and stick with it
[01:02] <Rafabe> thanks for your advice, guys
[01:03] <Gomex> soldats: i am not understand what he wanted
[01:03] <Gomex> :)
[01:03] <evil_tech> he needed samba support for sharing info between a linux machine and windows
[01:03] <Gomex> all ubuntu have the shared file options, no?
[01:04] <Gomex> it is samba, no?
[01:04] <Gomex> and gnome ou xfce has interface for it
[01:05] <soldats> yes he needed samba, the file manager doesnt have support for it but you can still do it if you now how to use ssh
[01:06] <soldats> if you make a file or folder shared over a netowrk you can view it from a windose comp
[01:06] <Gomex> yes...
[01:06] <Gomex> i know that
[01:06] <soldats> for more info see /usr/share/xubuntu-docs
[01:07] <Gomex> so...
[01:07] <soldats> Gomex, hah i dodnt mea to directr it to you i meant if fot rafabe
[01:07] <Gomex> ok...
[01:07] <soldats> !br
[01:07] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[01:07] <soldats> does this help
[01:08] <Gomex> soldats: cant i stay here?
[01:08] <Gomex> ok...
[01:08] <Gomex> bye!
[01:08] <soldats> yes you can but i thought you wanted brazil support
[01:08] <Gomex> soldats: I dont need support...
[01:09] <soldats> you are more than welcome to stay here
[01:09] <Gomex> no now...
[01:09] <Gomex> but i want try to talk in english more, i know?
[01:09] <Gomex> you know*
[01:09] <soldats> ok cool
[01:09] <soldats> no problem
[01:10] <Gomex> i will try to help in translate xfce
[01:10] <Gomex> to portuguese
[01:11] <soldats> that would be very nice for you to do
[01:11] <Gomex> yes!
[01:11] <Gomex> i know that...
[01:11] <Gomex> because it i will try...
[01:11] <Gomex> i am tired that just take something, i want help now...
[01:13] <soldats> cool, helping always seems to make me you feel better.
[01:13] <Gomex> i am fell better now...
[01:14] <Gomex> i help to change the wiki page the Xubuntu-br project
[01:14] <Gomex> i improve somethings
[01:14] <Gomex> and translate others..
[01:15] <Gomex> look...
[01:15] <Gomex> http://wiki.ubuntubrasil.org/Xubuntu-BR
[01:15] <evil_tech> these novell mac pc ads are hilarious
[01:18] <thyrax> now I need to unmount my raid array
[01:19] <thyrax> do I just run sudo umount /mnt/md0?
[01:19] <thyrax> I just want to do everything riht
[01:19] <evil_tech> if thats where its mounts
[01:19] <thyrax> right*
[01:19] <evil_tech> you can also umount by device name
[01:19] <thyrax> and is mnt the best place to mount a raid array thats where I put it yesterday and needed to be root to access the folder
[01:20] <thyrax> if I unmount it will it automaticaly be removed from fstab?
[01:20] <thyrax> and I put the mount in fastab but not mtab yesterday what would putting it in mtab do?
[01:20] <evil_tech> i've no clue what mtab does
[01:20] <evil_tech> fstab entry will make it mount on boot
[01:21] <evil_tech> and i would put it in /media/
[01:21] <evil_tech> since thats where most devices get mounted
[01:21] <thyrax> that's what one tutorial said the other did mnt i thought it logical to do mnt why media?
[01:21] <thyrax> and will it show up on the desktop?
[01:21] <evil_tech> hmm
[01:22] <evil_tech> thats a good question
[01:22] <evil_tech> i think you have to make a link for it on the desktop
[01:22] <thyrax> ok well thats not iportant now just wondering
[01:22] <evil_tech> and like i said /media is where most drives get mounterd
[01:22] <evil_tech> mounted
[01:22] <thyrax> why media?
[01:22] <thyrax> will I need to be root to acces my drive it I mount it there?
[01:23] <thyrax> if*
[01:23] <evil_tech> not if you set it up right in fstab
[01:23] <evil_tech> i believe there are options to mount it as user
[01:23] <thyrax> and the location of the mount doesn't make a difference?
[01:23] <Gomex> evil_tech: yes, user is the option that anyuser can mount and umount
[01:24] <thyrax> mounting in a place like var doesn't automatically make it available to all users?
[01:24] <evil_tech> just dont mount it where somthing else mounts
[01:24] <evil_tech> that would be bad
[01:24] <thyrax> hmmm
[01:24] <thyrax> I can always unmount it and remount it right?
[01:24] <evil_tech> yeah
[01:24] <thyrax> how familiar are you with the way the mdadm.conf works?
[01:24] <evil_tech> 0
[01:25] <evil_tech> no clue
[01:25] <evil_tech> havent messed with linux raid in almost a year
[01:25] <thyrax> lol ok
[01:25] <evil_tech>  and it was only a one class time thing
[01:25] <evil_tech> im used to my pseudo hardware raid
[01:25] <thyrax> heh
[01:28] <thyrax> any reason why I should not use gnome?
[01:28] <evil_tech> this is #xubuntu
[01:28] <evil_tech> :)
[01:28] <thyrax> whats the easiest way to format a hdd in linux?
[01:29] <thyrax> yeah so talk me out of it
[01:29] <evil_tech> mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc3
[01:29] <evil_tech> think you have to sudo that
[01:29] <thyrax> why hdc3 and not just hdc?
[01:29] <evil_tech> cause you cant format a device
[01:30] <evil_tech> you have to format a partition
[01:30] <thyrax> I see
[01:30] <evil_tech> there are other format options too
[01:31] <evil_tech> mkfs --help gives a list
[01:31] <thyrax> here is my plan: umount my raid array. edit fstab to deleted the entry for md0 and then format the two drives in raid 1
[01:31] <thyrax> and then create raid 5from scratch?
[01:32] <evil_tech> so right now they are in RAID 1
[01:32] <thyrax> yes just 2
[01:32] <evil_tech> youre going to break the raid format the drives and then build a raid 5 array
[01:33] <thyrax> I was  going to over write the raid 1 metadata with raid 5 and have a 2drive raid5 array and grow that but now my drive is here I have 3 empty drives
[01:33] <thyrax> yes
[01:33] <evil_tech> yeah i would do it that way
[01:33] <thyrax> Thats what I need to do. right now I have a really happy raid 1 array mounted in mnt folder
[01:33] <evil_tech> unmount that
[01:34] <evil_tech> you have to break the raid though
[01:34] <evil_tech> which (someone please please correct me if i am wrong) you do by deleting md0
[01:34] <thyrax> before I do that I am going to experiment and overwrite the meta data to see start the convert raid 1 to raid 5 trick just for educational purposes :)
[01:34] <thyrax> hmmm
[01:34] <thyrax> how do I delete md0
[01:35] <evil_tech> sudo rm /dev/md0
[01:35] <evil_tech> i think
[01:35] <evil_tech> and i would get confirmation that you need to do that
[01:35] <evil_tech> i'm running on best guess and my crappy memory from a 1 1/2 hour class on this
[01:36] <evil_tech> if i had my nix bible id look it up
[01:37] <thyrax> its cool I'll google it
[01:37] <thyrax> or consult one of the 20tuts I have bookmarked
[01:37] <evil_tech> cause just cause its not mounted it still acts like a raid array until you get rid of md0
[01:37] <thyrax> maybe there is an mdadm command
[01:50] <thyrax> sudo mdadm --stop /dev/md0 forgot about that. shold do that before unmounting
[01:50] <thyrax> tut I found --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=394281
[01:52] <evil_tech> bookmarked
[01:58] <thyrax> very helpful just remember to unmount the array before trying to stop it or it will just say busy till you unmount it
[01:59] <thyrax> at this rate ill be able to add linux guru to my resume :)
[01:59] <evil_tech> oooo 750gb WD only 150
[01:59] <huh> How do I get on to a wireless network that doesn't use encryption?
[01:59] <thyrax> lol I just saw that they added the unmount part at the bottom
[02:00] <thyrax> 750 for 150 not bad
[02:00] <thyrax> not bad at all
[02:00] <thyrax> can't wait till the tb are 200 or below :)
[02:00] <thyrax> that's when I'll be ready to start my secondary server :)
[02:01] <evil_tech> if i didnt  have a mortgage i could afford about 5 of those
[02:01] <evil_tech> hmm
[02:02] <evil_tech> i could save 150 a month and have them before summer. 1tb will probably be at that price poinr
[02:03] <evil_tech> mmm 4 terabytes
[02:04] <evil_tech> all my movies playable at the click of an icon
[02:05] <evil_tech> you all have a good weekend
[02:06] <thyrax> thats the plan
[02:21] <keb> howdy. is there a recommended backup software for xubuntu in small businesses?
[02:27] <thyrax> none I can think of but I'm relatively new to linux
[02:28] <Gomex> keb: http://www.bacula.org/
[02:29] <keb> of course linux doesnt crash so we don't need backups :P
[02:29] <Gomex> keb: it work with Windows too
[02:30] <keb> thanks. i tried bacula source compile and it didnt work. i will try the distro version isntead
[02:30] <Gomex> hum..
[02:31] <Gomex> what was that problem to work with source?
[02:31] <keb> when i run the bacula-dir script to check the config file, it just hangs
[02:32] <keb> all the other ones come back right away with no errors
[02:32] <Gomex> man
[02:32] <Gomex> i need to go...
[02:32] <keb> godpseed
[02:32] <keb> *godspeed
[02:32] <Gomex> i talk to you latter
[02:52] <soldats> i know there was some people a few days ago or a week ago who wanted to know how to map the "win" key to open the accessories button and couldnt figure out how to do it. so i figured out a way to do it and it works so if this is something that you would like to do let me know. for some reason i havent had internet service for a few days so i havent gotten back to a few people
[02:53] <keb> maybe you could add it to the wiki somewhere
[02:53] <keb> i always try to get keyboards without that MS key
[02:53] <soldats> do you know the main page to the wiki
[02:53] <soldats> im not sure of it
[02:54] <soldats> i was talking to nantrax about it a few days ago
[02:58] <keb> maybe this page is where it would go https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InputDevices
[03:02] <soldats> cool i will check it ou
[03:02] <soldats> out*
[03:15] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:15] <Catoptromancy> I setup my WIN key for a hot key
[03:15] <Catoptromancy> WIN + anykey does something
[03:16] <keb> you have an anykey? :o
[03:16] <Catoptromancy> WIN -   make volume lower
[03:16] <soldats> anykey
[03:16] <Catoptromancy> WIN + makes volume higher
[03:16] <Catoptromancy> WIN t brings up thunar
[03:17] <Catoptromancy> WIN r  brings up a rubiks cube
[03:17] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:17] <Catoptromancy> WIN key wasnt doing anything else really
[03:17] <Catoptromancy> so i bound stuff to it
[03:17] <soldats> Catoptromancy, can you solve the cube without the need for a program
[03:18] <Catoptromancy> its not a solving program
[03:18] <soldats> what is it
[03:18] <Catoptromancy> its just a GL cube to solve
[03:18] <soldats> im just wondering
[03:18] <soldats> cool i love solving the cube how would get this "said" program
[03:19] <Catoptromancy> hold on
[03:19] <Catoptromancy> its source only, but its really cool and basic
[03:22] <Catoptromancy> rubix-1.0.5.tar.bz2
[03:22] <Catoptromancy> thats what I built it from
[03:23] <Catoptromancy> http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/7641/snapshot21kw4.png
[03:23] <Catoptromancy> hehe
[03:25] <soldats> oh cool so it lets you solve it through a program, i used to use one of those on a web page based on java
[03:25] <soldats> it was really neat
[03:25] <Catoptromancy> ya this is about the same
[03:25] <Catoptromancy> probably works faster
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> it starts solved, but just click a dozen times and move mouse around
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> its messed up
[03:27] <soldats> thats cool. i always have my cube next to my mouse  and i solve it when im bored
[03:27] <soldats> ill look into that program it looks sweet
[03:27] <Catoptromancy> www.sed.free.fr/rubix/
[03:27] <Catoptromancy> it what the help screen says
[03:28] <keb> Erreur 404 - Document non trouvé
[03:28] <Catoptromancy> I found it randomly on google
[03:28] <Catoptromancy>  rubix-1.0.5.tar.bz2
[03:38] <soldats> cool, ill check it out. i was wondering do you own a cube, and if you do what is your fastest time solving it
[03:39] <soldats> just curious because i was into it heavaly a while back and im out of the loop as to wat peoples times are now
[03:44] <Catoptromancy> heh i dont speed cube
[03:45] <Catoptromancy> takes me like ahile
[03:45] <Catoptromancy> been working on some strategy and actually figure out a fast way
[03:45] <soldats> oh i was just wondering i still think its really cool that you have learned how to solveit
[03:46] <thyrax> soldats are you familiar with linux raid?
[03:46] <Catoptromancy> i didnt really learn
[03:46] <Catoptromancy> just kinda trial error, and manged
[03:48] <thyrax> I am wondering how exact a partition needs to be to be in a raid array. hopefully not to the byte. and mdadm corrects for this.
[03:49] <keb> hmm
[03:49] <keb> i didnt specify to the byte
[03:49] <keb> i think it was in MB
[03:49] <thyrax> raid 5
[03:49] <soldats> Catoptromancy, thats really cool i hope you find a good way to solve it quickly
[03:49] <soldats> thyrax, im not too familiar with raid
[03:50] <thyrax> I exaggerated
[03:50] <soldats> well not really familiar at al id say
[03:50] <soldats> with raid*****
[03:51] <thyrax> ok just wondering keb do you have a raid array?
[03:51] <keb> yes i have raid1
[03:52] <thyrax> hmm I just finished raid 1 but the drives were identical
[03:52] <thyrax> I was wondering what if you had a 500gig drive
[03:52] <keb> yes mine are, almost
[03:52] <keb> 80 lol
[03:52] <thyrax> and wanted to grow a raid 5 array later but bought a different brand...
[03:53] <thyrax> same make?
[03:53] <thyrax> and model?
[03:53] <keb> WD but differences in minor version
[03:54] <thyrax> hmmm I guess I'm just being anal
[03:54] <thyrax> is there a way to check the partitions and make sure they are happy before I proccede?
[03:54] <keb> hda: WDC WD800JB-00JJC0, ATA DISK drive,  hdb: WDC WD800JB-00FMA0, ATA DISK drive
[03:55] <thyrax> procede*
[03:55] <keb> proceed
[03:55] <thyrax> lol
[03:55] <thyrax> proceed**
[03:55] <keb> hmm i used the wizard thingy upon installing
[03:56] <thyrax> wizard thingy?
[03:56] <keb> maybe gparted can do all that afterwards
[03:56] <thyrax> I used gparted
[03:56] <thyrax> to format them
[03:56] <thyrax> oh you mean there is a check in it?
[03:56] <keb> it should be able to setup the raid too
[03:57] <thyrax> hmmm
[03:57] <thyrax> you sure about that?
[03:57] <thyrax> usuing mdadm?
[03:57] <thyrax> I set up raid 1 yesterday no problems
[03:57] <thyrax> but did everything manually diduse gparted to format the drive though
[03:58] <keb> i have to use mdadm everytime i reboot lol
[03:58] <keb> because the system doesnt load the md module
[04:00] <thyrax> why not?
[04:00] <thyrax> did you set up the mdadm.conf?
[04:00] <thyrax> and then mount in fstab?
[04:00] <thyrax> i mean update fstab
[04:00] <thyrax> to mount on boot
[04:02] <keb> it happened after gutsy upgrade
[04:02] <keb> something changed in the kernel or initrd
[04:02] <keb> i didnt change anything in the mdadm.conf or fstab
[04:03] <thyrax> hmmm
[04:03] <thyrax> what does your mdadm.conf look like?
[04:03] <keb> i reported it in the forums, and several others have the same problem
[04:03] <thyrax> anything in it?
[04:03] <keb> someone said they fixed it with dpkg-reconfigure
[04:03] <keb> well now i have the actual definitions of my raid in mdadm.conf
[04:04] <keb> to help in starting the raid manually
[04:04] <keb> in feisty i didnt edit the file at all
[04:05] <keb> and it was all defaults and mostly empty i think
[04:05] <thyrax> i see
[04:06] <keb> i can't wait for the next dist-upgrade ;)
[04:06] <thyrax> why is that?
[04:06] <keb> to see if the raid automagically fixes its elf
[04:06] <thyrax> ha
[04:07] <thyrax> I wish there was a gui
[04:07] <thyrax> well that would take the fun out of it sorta
[04:08] <thyrax> what does fsck.ext3 /dev/md1
[04:08] <thyrax> resize2fs /dev/md1
[04:08] <thyrax> do?
[04:08] <thyrax> where md1 is the raid array
[04:09] <soldats> keb, if youcant wait for the next dist upgrade id suggest asking for a better support for raid so it will be implemented
[04:09] <keb> it checks the partition, then resizes it
[04:09] <soldats> in the next upgrade
[04:09] <keb> i suppose i should report a bug
[04:09] <soldats> well maybe not a bug but maybe gui support for raid and other things you may want
[04:10] <keb> thyrax but i would think that resize2fs would take a size parameter
[04:10] <keb> i dont need guis, but not losing raid after an upgrade would be good
[04:10] <thyrax> keb: does the file system matter?
[04:10] <keb> i think they changed initrd so that it doesnt exist anymore in gutsy
[04:11] <keb> thyrax it shouldnt, i think the raid operates at partition level
[04:11] <thyrax> ok I just formatted a hard drive ext3 but 7gb of space is being used
[04:11] <thyrax> what is that 7gigs used for?
[04:12] <keb> maybe it is left over space due to geometry mismatch
[04:12] <thyrax> ?
[04:12] <thyrax> ntfs recognises all of it
[04:12] <thyrax> sure its not just the ext3 file system?
[04:13] <keb> no idea
[04:13] <thyrax> should I use a different file system?
[04:13] <thyrax> how is resief or whatever its called
[04:13] <keb> depends what it will be for
[04:14] <keb> i'm using reiser3.6 on my raid1
[04:14] <thyrax> is it required to format before using mdadm to make the array?
[04:14] <thyrax> I guess I should research linux filesystems
[04:14] <thyrax> why did you pick that over ext3
[04:14] <keb> there is a howto or tutorial somewhere for step by step
[04:15] <keb> it is supposed to be faster i think
[04:15] <keb> ext3 looked like a kluge over the legacy ext2
[04:16] <thyrax> kluge?
[04:17] <keb> added code to make journaling work
[04:17] <thyrax> ok I read on wiki that journaling was a difference
[04:18] <thyrax> keb: where do you mount your array? do you need to be root to access it? I put it in /mnt
[04:19] <keb>  /home
[04:20] <keb> i only keep the data on raid, not the operating system
[04:21] <thyrax> so the array just acts as your home directory?
[04:21] <thyrax> do you need to be root to access it?
[04:22] <thyrax> having mounted it in mnt is that waht required me to be root to access it?
[04:22] <thyrax> what*
[04:23] <keb> no my user accounts work fine
[04:23] <keb> it is in /etc/fstab as   #/dev/md0
[04:23] <keb> UUID=31f61d0c-9997-45c8-a932-ed3a53f08a75 /home    reiserfs    defaults    0    2
[04:25] <thyrax> ok I guess the numbers are the user level?
[04:25] <thyrax> the 0  2
[04:25] <thyrax> i think mine was 0  3
[04:25] <thyrax> gparted gets segmentation fault core dumped
[04:25] <thyrax> any idea what that means?
[04:25] <thyrax> is it faster to format using the command line?
[04:26] <keb> dunno. best check the logs or dmesg
[04:26] <keb> it shouldnt core dump
[04:27] <thyrax> should I keep usiing it it seems to work fine
[04:27] <thyrax> takes forever to load though
[04:27] <thyrax> using*
[04:28] <keb> gparted should be fast
[04:28] <keb> there is a text version
[04:28] <thyrax> not for me it takes forever i thought it was just the drive size?
[04:28] <thyrax> what is dev/fd0 says unable to open
[04:28] <keb> that is your floppy lol
[04:29] <thyrax> ok just checking
[04:29] <thyrax> I don't have a floppy installed havn't in ages
[04:30] <keb> someone setup raid5 on 5 USB floppies just to prove it could be done
[04:30] <thyrax> i do on a 1userver but that doesn't count :)
[04:30] <thyrax> hmm sounds like a pain
[04:30] <thyrax> changing tags is taking a while
[04:31] <thyrax> I guess ill have to learn how to do things in the command line
[04:31] <thyrax> formatting and partitioning and what not
[04:31] <keb> reading the manuals is half the fun
[04:33] <thyrax> what command deletes the partitions on a disk?
[04:33] <thyrax> resize2fs does work on ext3 right?
[04:35] <keb> probably
[04:40] <thyrax> working on uninstalling and reinstalling gparted maybe that will help
[04:43] <keb> maybe you have bad sectors on a hard drive, or a bad memory chip
[04:44] <thyrax> how do I check? you'd think an app made to deal with hdds wouldnt have an issue with that
[04:44] <thyrax> how long does it usually take to scan drives?
[04:44] <thyrax> i have 3 500gb drives and an 80 in now
[04:46] <keb> well when you boot one of the options is usually memtest
[04:46] <keb> when doing mkfs there is a checkbox or flag for detailed drive scan
[04:47] <keb> also you can use fsck to do it
[04:53] <thyrax> hmmm
[05:13] <naminem> i want to assign a keyboard shortcut for workspaces
[05:13] <naminem> what's the command for switching workspace?
[05:21] <soldats> ctrl alt arrow key should do it to switch workspace
[05:21] <charding> Ctrl-Alt-(Arrow)
[05:21] <soldats> i only have one workspace so im not sure
[05:21] <charding> (left or right arrow)
[05:21] <soldats> i usually boot cli only
[05:25] <thyrax> I tried using cfdisk /dev/
[05:25] <thyrax> but got could not open disk error
[05:25] <thyrax> press any key to leave cfdisk
[05:26] <keb> try cfdisk /dev/hdb
[05:26] <thyrax> even if I do not have that drive?
[05:26] <thyrax> I used cfdisk /dev/sdb
[05:26] <huh> thyrax, zero the drive with dd
[05:26] <thyrax> just because I want to format my drives differently before  putting them in the array
[05:26] <keb> oh well whatever youd drive is
[05:27] <thyrax> i did that keb thats how i got the error
[05:27] <thyrax> hub how do I do that still a linux formatting noob
[05:27] <thyrax> huh*
[05:27] <huh> thyrax, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda
[05:28] <thyrax> i had previously formatted it with ext3 and set a raid tag in gparted.
[05:28] <thyrax> huh, ill try that
[05:28] <huh> thyrax, it'll take awhile.. and after that cfdisk will ask to start with a zero partition drive
[05:28] <huh> oops
[05:28] <thyrax> when I was about to create the array mdadm said the files are ext2fs
[05:28] <huh> table
[05:28] <thyrax> so I wasn't sure if mdadm couldn't see ext3?
[05:29] <thyrax> huh what does it do exactly?
[05:29] <huh> thyrax, writes a bunch of zeros to you drive...
[05:29] <thyrax> huh: when I used gparted to format a 500gig drive in ext3 it allocated 7gigs to something any idea what that was?
[05:30] <thyrax> ok i'll do that then
[05:30] <thyrax> does it harm the drive at all?
[05:30] <huh> thyrax, cfdisk will then ask to start with a zero partition table
[05:30] <huh> thyrax, not in my experience
[05:30] <thyrax> ok thanks trying that now
[05:30] <keb> just be sure to put the right device name there
[05:31] <keb> or you will zero your boot drive ;)
[05:31] <thyrax> ha
[05:31] <huh> thyrax, keb is right
[05:31] <thyrax> that would be fun
[05:32] <huh> thyrax, use the alternate install cd for raid
[05:32] <huh> thyrax, maybe easier
[05:32] <thyrax> b4 i do that any idea why 2% of the drive is taken up while using ext3?
[05:32] <huh> thyrax, after you zero the drive
[05:33] <huh> thyrax, I guess it is the journaling
[05:33] <huh> thyrax, but I aint a expert on the subject
[05:33] <thyrax> is there a file system that uses less?
[05:33] <huh> thyrax, I think reiserfs does more
[05:34] <thyrax> is reiserfs stable
[05:34] <huh> thyrax, yeah
[05:34] <thyrax> should I use that instead of ext3?
[05:35] <thyrax> I just want to make sure that I have the best setup before I make the mdadm raid array
[05:35] <huh> thyrax, I really don't know if you'll see a diff.. but journaled filesystems are suggested
[05:35] <thyrax> because I can't change it after that. this array will have to last 4 a while
[05:35] <keb> you make the raid before you put a filessytem on it
[05:35] <huh> thyrax, why I dont know I go on faith
[05:35] <huh> thyrax, keb is right...
[05:36] <thyrax> yes but don't I format the individual drives first?
[05:36] <thyrax> thats how i did my raid 1 array
[05:36] <huh> thyrax, make the raid
[05:36] <thyrax> guys look at this tut: http://bfish.xaedalus.net/?p=188
[05:36] <huh> thyrax, I need to look at some howtos cause it is a lot to remember.. but the device mapper is used..
[05:37] <thyrax> sre you suggesting I ignore the first steps?
[05:37] <thyrax> are*
[05:37] <huh> And I dont know if you are doing hardware or software raid
[05:37] <thyrax> software...
[05:37] <thyrax> via mdadm
[05:38] <huh> thyrax, make the raid first then format your raid will be a /dev/mapper/whatever
[05:39] <huh> or dev /md something like I said I'd have to see a howto to be totally correct
[05:39] <thyrax> did you scan that tutorial?
[05:39] <huh> a lot to remember and I only get it up in gentoo
[05:39] <huh> thyrax, no too busy drinking
[05:39] <huh> but I will
[05:39] <thyrax> they format and tag the individual drives then build the raid out of the partition
[05:41] <huh> I need to sober up first before I give further guidance
[05:41] <soldats> huh, hah i had to do that as well
[05:41] <thyrax> yikes so linux drives you to drink? should I take this as a warning???
[05:42] <huh> thyrax, no I have some free time and like beer
[05:42] <keb> free speech encourages free beer
[05:42] <huh> thyrax, just break the howto down
[05:42]  * thyrax breathes a sigh of relief
[05:42] <thyrax> they format with gparted
[05:42] <thyrax> ext3 and add raid tags
[05:42] <thyrax> and then assemble in raid
[05:43] <thyrax> and then format the /dev/mdo
[05:43] <thyrax> md0*
[05:43] <huh> thyrax, mdadm will make the raid, but you dont format until the raid is made
[05:43] <thyrax> and mount
[05:43] <huh> thyrax, basically
[05:43] <thyrax> why do they format first and add raid tags?
[05:43] <thyrax> they are raiding the partitions
[05:43] <huh> thyrax, and partitioning must be a raid type
[05:44] <huh> thyrax, and there will be some options you'll need to pass to the kernel so it boots
[05:44] <huh> thyrax, a lot of crap to get straight
[05:44]  * thyrax is all ears
[05:44] <thyrax> or eyes
[05:45]  * huh downs another beer sorry :)!
[05:45] <thyrax> I raided partitions for my raid 1 array but I will be more than happy to just raid the drives with out partitions
[05:45] <huh> thyrax, still need one partition with a raid type
[05:45] <thyrax> lol things aren't looking to bright for my data if I rely on your help at this stage ,huh
[05:45] <huh> thyrax, just download the alt install cd
[05:46] <keb> if you have an existing filesystem to be converted to raid then you need special procedures, but when starting from scratch it is easy
[05:46] <thyrax> what does the alt install disk do?
[05:46] <huh> thyrax, not necessarily just take what a I say with a grain of salt
[05:46] <huh> thyrax, makes it easier
[05:46] <thyrax> can you describe how?
[05:47] <huh> thyrax, it is a text based menu but
[05:47] <thyrax> because its pretty easy just putting in the commands for me just need to know if I should raid the drives or the partitions like I did earlier
[05:47] <huh> thyrax, you dont have to use commands just arrow keys
[05:47] <thyrax> do you have a tutorial or screen shots
[05:47] <huh> thyrax, Just run the alt and you will see
[05:48] <thyrax> :(
[05:48] <huh> thyrax, just keep in mind the general procedure
[05:48] <thyrax> alright I guess ill download it
[05:48] <huh> thyrax, but if you want hard
[05:48] <huh> thyrax, continue on with what you are doing
[05:49] <thyrax> what is the alternate cd designed for?
[05:49] <thyrax> I think I may hu
[05:49] <huh> thyrax, just when ya see a raid option click on it, and you'll be 85% in the clear
[05:49] <thyrax> I'll just 0 out the drives
[05:50] <thyrax> and add them
[05:50] <huh> thyrax, cool
[05:50] <thyrax> is it an install from scratch?
[05:50] <thyrax> does it use mdadm?
[05:50] <huh> thyrax, yeah
[05:50] <thyrax> how old is this alt cd?
[05:50] <huh> thyrax, you can get a recent one
[05:50] <huh> thyrax, just that it is a text based menu
[05:51] <huh> thyrax, no bells and whistles
[05:51] <thyrax> so I will require a new install?
[05:51] <thyrax> I can't just zero out the drives and raid em?
[05:51] <thyrax> without partitions?
[05:51] <huh> thyrax, I thought you were a new install
[05:51] <huh> thyrax, hold on people may hate me
[05:51] <keb> you dont need to zero the drives
[05:52] <keb> repartitioning essentially does that
[05:53] <huh> thyrax, i just zero when cfdisk tells me it cant partition it... and only cause it works sometimes
[05:53] <huh> thyrax, and you'll need 1 partition
[05:53] <thyrax> raid 5 is going on 5 seperate disks
[05:53] <thyrax> I already have an install of ubuntu on an 80gig disk
[05:53] <thyrax> the os is seperate
[05:54] <thyrax> keb repartitioning
[05:54] <huh> thyrax, hold on I need to look up some websites
[05:54] <thyrax> I am usually good at grasping these things I think hu being drunk is just confusing things
[05:54] <thyrax> lol
[05:55] <soldats> hah
[05:55] <keb> lol
[05:55] <thyrax> keb so I can raid whole drives right?
[05:56] <thyrax> I do not have to have partitions?
[05:56] <thyrax> I was told that having the raid tag helped it load automagically
[05:56] <thyrax> does mdadm do this for you when creating the raid?
[05:56] <huh> thyrax, you'll need one partition
[05:56] <thyrax> why one?
[05:56] <keb> one big partition on each drive
[05:56] <thyrax> and does this apply to raid 5?
[05:56] <thyrax> ok thats what I have...
[05:57] <huh> thyrax, yeah one big one the whole drive
[05:57] <thyrax> sdb1, sdc1, sdd1
[05:57] <keb> otoh, your sd controller may have its own raid built-in, in which case do everything from the bios setup screen
[05:57] <thyrax> lol nooooo
[05:57] <huh> thyrax, you never mentioned sata
[05:57] <thyrax> no huh no sata raid
[05:57] <thyrax> keb is just adding to the confusion
[05:58] <keb> why are they called sdb,sdc,sdd if they arent sata?
[05:58] <huh> sd(x)1=sata or scsi
[05:58] <keb> are they scsi
[05:58] <thyrax> lol they aren't sata raid
[05:58] <huh> hd(X) is ide
[05:58] <keb> or usb?
[05:58] <thyrax> they are on sata
[05:58] <huh> thyrax, has to be usb external
[05:58] <thyrax> but not using sata raid
[05:59] <keb> oh if they are plain sata, there may still be a raid function in the bios
[05:59] <thyrax> there may for one of them
[05:59] <thyrax> but i do not want to use it
[05:59] <huh> thyrax, is it a IDE drive?
[05:59] <thyrax> i want to use software raid
[05:59] <thyrax> the onboard sata raid doesn't even have raid 5
[05:59] <thyrax> so I am just using controllers
[05:59] <thyrax> no its sata hu
[05:59] <keb> oic
[06:00] <thyrax> just not sata raid as keb was saying
[06:00] <keb> ok well you will probly have to create a single partition of type raid on each drive
[06:00] <huh> thyrax, I am going to shut up now, but before I do I will look up these sites for you and wish you good luck
[06:01] <thyrax> see so what I am doing now is trying to find the best way to partition my drives before putting them in raid 5
[06:01] <thyrax> you know the one big partition per drive you were just talking about
[06:01] <thyrax> ok keb how would you go about doing that?
[06:01] <keb> do you want more than one raid5 volume?
[06:01] <keb> er, filesystem?
[06:01] <thyrax> not at the moment
[06:02] <thyrax> nope
[06:02] <thyrax> just one raid
[06:02] <thyrax> I have 5x500gb all for raid 5
[06:02] <huh> thyrax, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_on_Software_RAID use that one with a grain of salt.. and when I installed raid it was in gentoo so I hope no one bites my head off
[06:03] <huh> thyrax, you dont boot to the drives so you should be safe
[06:04] <huh> thyrax, or it may just confuse you idonno
[06:04] <thyrax> I am sure I can make a raid 5 array, hu
[06:04] <thyrax> only problem is: am I formatting correctly before
[06:04] <thyrax> is ext3 the best to format
[06:04] <keb> ah i see gparted may be confusing you.  yes it lets you set the filesystem type but you also set a raid flag
[06:04] <thyrax> in windows ntfs gives me 465gb formatted ext3 gives me 458
[06:04] <thyrax> that was my only question
[06:05] <keb> now mayn GB you get likely depends on the sector size
[06:06] <huh> thyrax, may be better off not using gparted
[06:06] <keb> and whether it divides evenly into the disk geometry and stuff
[06:07] <thyrax> huh why do you suggest I do not use gparted...
[06:07] <thyrax> ?
[06:07] <thyrax> I can live with just 458 gigs but is it efficient
[06:07] <thyrax> will cfdisk give me a different figure?
[06:08] <keb> ext3 may also reserve 5% for system use
[06:08] <keb> so its probly the same real size
[06:09] <thyrax> real size?
[06:09] <keb> usable data size
[06:10] <thyrax> ok I guess ill try partitioning with cfdisk
[06:10] <thyrax> command should be: sudo cfdisk /dev/sdb ?
[06:11] <keb> sure
[06:11] <da1> hey all is this area an appropriate place to post up my xubuntu support questions? im kind of a newb i want to make sure i'm in the right room first
[06:12] <da1> or is this like.. general xubuntu chit chat
[06:12] <keb> both
[06:12] <thyrax> keb, are you familiar with: sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb -
[06:13] <da1> okay great
[06:13] <keb> thyrax : sfdisk doesnt do guids, so if you have gutsy 7.10 dont use it
[06:14] <thyrax> guids?
[06:14] <thyrax> another question when I run fdisk-l after reboot it listed my devices in a different order
[06:14] <thyrax> sda used to be the os disk now the os disk is sdb
[06:14] <thyrax> i mean sdd
[06:15] <da1> i just installed xubuntu (7.10) on an ibm i found in the garbage behind my apartment; in the middle of booting it drops me from the spash screen into busybox.  i'm wonder what i can do during boot-up to get rid of the splash screen and show whats going on underneath so i can get an idea of what's going wrong during boot up?
[06:15] <keb> thyrax i think that depends on what order your sata controller initializes stuff
[06:15] <thyrax> so its random?
[06:15] <thyrax> and the os disk is ide
[06:16] <thyrax> but comes up as sata in linux
[06:18] <keb> thyrax i meant uuid (sorry)
[06:19] <thyrax> i guess its random?
[06:19] <thyrax> first time it came up in that order
[06:19] <thyrax> why would the order change?
[06:20] <thyrax> hmm rebooted and back to normal
[06:21] <keb> thyrax try this sudo vol_id /dev/sdb1
[06:22] <thyrax> keb its back to normal now I think when I selected n for the creation of the mdadm array it threw it off
[06:22] <keb> da1 i think when it pauses during bootup you can edit the startup line to add a nosplash to the kernel boot parameters, or remove the splash word
[06:23] <keb> thyrax the uuids are designed to always be the same no matter what cable the drives are plugged into
[06:23] <thyrax> yeah i know I wasn't worried about that.
[06:23] <thyrax> just wondering why it decided to be different that time but I suspect why
[06:24] <thyrax> anyway can I format the drives in something else before creating the raid array?
[06:24] <thyrax> other than ext3
[06:24] <keb> thyrax so in your fstab and mdadm.conf you will see uuids instead or in addition to /dev/...
[06:24] <da1> thanks keb!
[06:24] <thyrax> would you recommend anything else?
[06:24] <thyrax> yeah I know that keb
[06:24] <thyrax> thanks anyway :)
[06:24] <keb> da1 you may also be able to press F2 or Ctrl-F2 to switch to another console that scrolls the info
[06:25] <keb> thyrax i use reiserfs
[06:25] <thyrax> why?
[06:25] <keb> thyrax some people use xfs, and some use jfs, but i do not know how well linux utils support them
[06:26] <keb> comparing filesystems is a whole field in itself
[06:26] <thyrax> then what made you select reiserfs?
[06:26] <keb> it looked well thought out and new :) and it claimed to be well tested
[06:27] <keb> the safest is probly ext3 though, it has the most users
[06:29] <thyrax> u formated in reiserfs before raid and the md0?
[06:29] <thyrax> formatTED*
[06:31] <keb> me? i had an existing partition with reiserfs, i made a new partition with raid1, formatted it, copied my data, then deleted the old existing partition, recreated it as raid and added it to the raid1 set
[06:31] <keb> i.e., i didnt start from scratch
[06:31] <thyrax> i see
[06:32] <keb> try it with gparted, everything should be fine since it is all new disks
[06:32] <keb> you can't damage them with this stuff
[06:33] <thyrax> ok I guess I;; try reserfs
[06:33] <thyrax> gparted just takes a while to initialize
[06:33] <keb> that segfault can probly be avoided by zeroing the disks before partitioning
[06:33] <keb> but that will take a while
[06:35] <thyrax> seg fault?
[06:35] <thyrax> keb I'm going to go with reiserf
[06:35] <keb> didnt you say gparted had segfaulted
[06:35] <thyrax> it it possible to copy the partition table exactly in ubuntu using cfdisk?
[06:35] <keb> i dont think cfdisk does that
[06:36] <thyrax> no I don't recall seing as I have no idea what segfault is :)
[06:36] <thyrax> hmmm
[06:36] <thyrax> ok what is the best way to format a drive to reiserf?
[06:36] <thyrax> first I will have to delete the ext3 partition right?
[06:36] <keb> yep
[06:36] <keb> then create a new one
[06:37] <thyrax> ok what commands should I run :)
[06:37] <thyrax> otherwise I'll be stuck with gparted :(
[06:37] <thyrax> how do I delete a partition from the terminal?
[06:38] <keb> try cfdisk
[06:39] <thyrax> fatal error each time i use it
[06:39] <keb> oic
[06:39] <thyrax> I have never used cfdisk before
[06:39] <keb> cfdisk /dev/sdb
[06:39] <keb> sudo cfdisk /dev/sdb
[06:39] <thyrax> gives fatal error
[06:39] <thyrax> hit any key to ecit cfdisk
[06:39] <keb> what else does it say
[06:40] <thyrax> i tried a different drive it worked :)
[06:40] <keb> hehe maybe you are missing one
[06:40] <thyrax> missing a drive?
[06:41] <thyrax> they all show up in fdisk -l
[06:41] <keb> whichever letter didnt work
[06:41] <thyrax> ok what do I do to this drive?
[06:41] <thyrax> delete?
[06:41] <keb> is it showing any existing data?
[06:41] <keb> make sure it isnt your boot drive
[06:42] <thyrax> yes sdc1 primary linux raid auto detect 500105.25MB
[06:42] <keb> well done
[06:42] <thyrax> yes im not that much of a noob
[06:42] <thyrax> :D
[06:42] <thyrax> alright so delete?
[06:43] <keb> sure
[06:43] <thyrax> ok its gone
[06:43] <thyrax> that was fast
[06:43] <thyrax> do i select new?
[06:44] <keb> yep
[06:45] <thyrax> ok selected new
[06:45] <thyrax> then primary
[06:46] <thyrax> how do I make it linux raid autodetect again any idea?
[06:46] <keb> that would be the type
[06:47] <thyrax> yes but it isn't listed :(
[06:47] <keb> look again
[06:48] <thyrax> yes sir
[06:48] <keb> hmmm you terminal might have to be wider than 80 characters
[06:49] <thyrax> lol press any key to continue
[06:49] <thyrax> I'm such a noob :)
[06:49] <thyrax> found it
[06:50] <thyrax> ok now what write?
[06:51] <keb> yep
[06:52] <thyrax> it asks are you sure I want to write partition table to disk.
[06:52] <keb> are you?
[06:52] <thyrax> at what point will ask if I want to use ext3 or reiserf]
[06:52] <thyrax> yes I am but what format wil the partition be?
[06:52] <thyrax> will*
[06:52] <keb> after you have made the raid volume, you can create a filesystem on it
[06:53] <keb> so right now there is no format on the partition
[06:53] <thyrax> ok so making the partition does not require that I have a file system?
[06:53] <keb> exactly
[06:54] <thyrax> lol you're a huge help
[06:54] <thyrax> sometimes...
[06:54] <keb> i do my best to make things interesting
[06:55] <thyrax> hmmm how do i know if its done?
[06:55] <keb> probly when you can move the cursor again
[06:56] <thyrax> ok it's done then. that was real fast
[06:56] <thyrax> alright next one then
[06:57] <keb> after you have done the other 4 disks, you will have to edit the mdadm.conf file and assemble the array
[06:57] <keb> unfortunately i have to goto bed
[06:57] <keb> but it should be straightforward if you read the tutorials or even just the mdadm manual
[06:58] <thyrax> thanks a bunch
[06:58] <keb> np and good luck
[06:59] <thyrax> thanks
[08:24] <tachyon> Anyone around that can answer a question?
[08:26] <TheSheep> !ask | tachyon
[08:26] <ubotu> tachyon: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:26] <tachyon> heh
[08:27] <thyrax> which is better ext3 or reiserfs?
[08:27] <tachyon> I have Gutsy installed, and i cant find a Volume Control Panel Plugin
[08:27] <tachyon> after I "Add New Item"
[08:29] <tachyon> the ubuntu forum was of little help
[08:29] <TheSheep> tachyon: do you have 'xfce4-mixer' installed?
[08:29] <TheSheep> tachyon: in synaptic
[08:31] <userXubuntu> Hi! I just installed Xubuntu (and I'm running it right now). Accourding to the web site Xubuntu only needs 1,5 GB, however the system moniter tells me that it's using 3,6 GB. I don't get it?
[08:32] <userXubuntu> (I have a swap partition on 2GB, which it uses only 300mg of...)
[08:32] <userXubuntu> *mb
[08:34] <thyrax> how much ram do you have?
[08:34] <userXubuntu> The problem you ask? Well, I gave Ubuntu a 4GB room to play, though I figured 2.5 GB should be more then enough to run other programs.
[08:34] <tachyon> i'll check TheSheep... thanks
[08:34] <userXubuntu> Hi, Thy, I have 768 MB RAM
[08:35] <thyrax> if you did guided install it leaves roughtly 3xyour ram for swap
[08:35] <userXubuntu> No, I di manual install
[08:36] <thyrax> if you did a manual/custom drive format you could set those things lower to meet the 1.5 you wanted
[08:36] <thyrax> hmm
[08:36] <thyrax> what did you set the swap to when you did the install?
[08:36] <userXubuntu> ???
[08:36] <userXubuntu> Wait, let me take this from the beginning.
[08:37] <userXubuntu> I had made the partion in advance, before installing Xubuntu.
[08:37] <thyrax> why?
[08:37] <userXubuntu> When I installed Xubuntu it asked me to choose a partion for the root (I choosed the 4GB exs3)
[08:38] <thyrax> ok.
[08:38] <userXubuntu> Why not?
[08:38] <userXubuntu> I came here and ask you guys about it, and you said it was OK.
[08:39] <userXubuntu> (notice a difference in my name; user123 => userXubuntu ;-))
[08:39] <tachyon> aha there we go. Thanks TheSheep, its there now
[08:40] <userXubuntu> Anyway, I really want to know what I did wrong, and how to correct it? I do not want to reformat, repartion and reinstall win, and Xubuntu again...
[08:40] <thyrax> you didn't say you were trying to boot both windows and xubuntu...
[08:40] <userXubuntu> Now, or before?
[08:40] <thyrax> now
[08:41] <thyrax> Is it safe to use sfdisk in ubuntu?
[08:41] <userXubuntu> Oh, sorry, didn't think that was relative...
[08:41] <thyrax> I have never tried to dual boot so I'm not sure what you should do. don't want to mis-lead you.
[08:42] <userXubuntu> Everything works fine. It's just that Xubuntu has taken 4GB, and not the pre advertised 1,5 GB.
[08:42] <thyrax> do you mean 1.5GB?
[08:42] <userXubuntu> I do not see that dual boot should have to do with it.
[08:42] <thyrax> hmmmm
[08:42] <userXubuntu> Sorry, yes 1.5GB
[08:45] <userXubuntu> I looked at the add/remove apps, installed apps, all. They are not that many, and I'm having a hard time to think that any of them would take more then 50 mb.
[08:46] <userXubuntu> How can I find out which programs/files are using all that  space?
[08:47] <TheSheep> userXubuntu: try running 'sudo apt-get clean'
[08:48] <userXubuntu> Before I press enter here... What does that do?
[08:48] <TheSheep> userXubuntu: deletes the packages that it donwloaded from repositories to install your programs
[08:48] <TheSheep> userXubuntu: once the programs are installed, the packages are not needed anymore
[08:49] <userXubuntu> I see, thanks, but it doesn't seem to do anything...
[08:50] <userXubuntu> It asked me for admin pass... Then it just went back to a new clean line...
[08:50] <TheSheep> userXubuntu: check the free space now
[08:51] <userXubuntu> In sysMon?
[08:51] <userXubuntu> I did that, it still says 99% space used...
[08:51] <TheSheep> userXubuntu: just type 'df -h'
[08:51] <userXubuntu> cmmand not found...
[08:52] <TheSheep> without '
[08:52] <userXubuntu> I needed to put sudo in front (what does that mean?)
[08:53] <TheSheep> it means 'disk free' and shows free space, you don't need sudo in front
[08:53] <userXubuntu> Well, I did...
[08:53] <userXubuntu> df -h, was a unknown command...
[08:53] <userXubuntu> No, my misstake...
[08:53] <userXubuntu> You're right.
[08:54] <userXubuntu> administrator@comp:~$ sudo apt-get clean
[08:54] <userXubuntu> administrator@comp:~$ df-h
[08:54] <userXubuntu> bash: df-h: command not found
[08:54] <userXubuntu> (that was what happened the first time... Wierd)
[08:54] <TheSheep> df -h
[08:54] <TheSheep> note the space
[08:54] <userXubuntu> *sigh* yes sorry. I say that now...
[08:55] <userXubuntu> (It's late, I blame it on that...)
[08:55] <userXubuntu> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[08:55] <userXubuntu> /dev/hda2             3.9G  3.7G  3.3M 100% /
[08:55] <userXubuntu> (This is the (relavant) return value I get)
[08:57] <userXubuntu> It's my hom dir that is taking all that space... *investigating*
[08:59] <userXubuntu> Oh. My.... Why doesn't Xubunt show hidden files on the desktop?!
[09:00] <userXubuntu> (I have show hidden files turned on in Tuner),
[09:00] <TheSheep> because they are hidden
[09:00] <userXubuntu> Yes. LOL.
[09:00] <userXubuntu> Nice, one.
[09:00] <userXubuntu> Well, I found the problem...
[09:01] <userXubuntu> THanks for the help Thy and TheSheep!
[09:09] <userXubuntu> I was wondering how I would go about to set up my graphic card?
[09:10] <TheSheep> userXubuntu: system->restricted drivers manager
[09:11] <userXubuntu> But that give me a speech of warning...
[09:11] <userXubuntu> Is it safe?
[09:11] <TheSheep> read it
[09:12] <userXubuntu> Well, yes, I think I understand now...
[09:13] <userXubuntu> Ok, now it says something about software source for the package "nvidia-glx-new" isn't enabled...
[09:13] <TheSheep> !repos
[09:13] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[09:13] <TheSheep> userXubuntu: you need to enable the
[09:13] <TheSheep> 'restricted' repository
[09:14] <userXubuntu> ubotu: thanks, I will take a look at those!
[09:14] <userXubuntu> TheSheep: what, how and where?
[09:14] <TheSheep> !bot | userXubuntu
[09:14] <ubotu> userXubuntu: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:15] <TheSheep> userXubuntu: ubotu gave you a link with howto
[09:15] <userXubuntu> Well, it out smarted me ;)
[09:17] <userXubuntu> I will read those manuals, and hopefully it will be enough :D, thanks for your help TheSheep!
[09:19] <thyrax> good night guys. I'm off to bed good luck user
[09:29] <Blinkiz> I don't want my computer to autostart the X (xfce). How can I disable this?
[09:29] <zoredache_> uninstall gdm
[09:29] <TheSheep> disable gdm in system->services
[09:29] <zoredache_> or simply disable it
[09:30] <Blinkiz> And when I need the X I just type "startxfce4"?
[09:30] <TheSheep> Blinkiz: should work
[09:30] <Blinkiz> Thanks! :)
[09:30] <Blinkiz> Briliant support btw!
[09:59] <Blinkiz> If firestarter the right program for xfce?
[09:59] <Blinkiz> I need a easy firewall
[10:01] <TheSheep> Blinkiz: it's good
[11:46] <compuman> Hi guys, I have a problem.  I am in Ubuntu safe mode right now.  Accessing the default session gives me an "your session lasted less than ten seconds" error.  Can someone please help me, as this is my productivity machine?
[11:48] <Blinkiz> I removed my eth1 card and now only have eth0 in my computer. Now xfce gives me an error at startup. "Could not look up internet address for fileserver. This will prevent Xfce from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding fileserver to the file /etc/hosts on your system." Please advice what to do.
[11:50] <Blinkiz> Okay, found the fix for it. I should add this to my /etc/hosts: "<IP_ADDRESS> localhost.localdomain localhost fileserver"
[15:42] <tuga3d> hi all
[15:43] <tuga3d> i have a sis 650 graphic card and i can't find drivers for it in the net for xubuntu, can anyone help?
[15:44] <tuga3d> or point me to a room where i can resolve my problem?
[15:45] <tuga3d> please....
[15:46] <crimsun> does the vesa driver not work?  You certainly won't get hardware-supported 3D accel, but it's better than nothing.
[15:47] <tuga3d> yep it works, but i'll would like to have 3d accelation :(
[15:47] <PeckaH> buy a card
[15:47] <tuga3d> it's a laptop :(
[15:51] <tuga3d> any idea where i can go to? url? room?
[15:52] <totalmergeage> try #ubuntu
[15:52] <tuga3d> ok, thanks :)
[15:53] <thyrax> which is better xfs ext3 or resierfs ?
[15:55] <crimsun> thyrax: depends on your common use cases
[15:56] <crimsun> ext3 is default because it's a very decent one for all possible use cases
[15:56] <crimsun> XFS (not to be confused with the deprecated font server, xfs) is excellent (better than ext3) for streaming A/V
[15:57] <thyrax> ok I am building a media server
[15:57] <thyrax> I have a raid 5 array
[15:57] <crimsun> I don't see any good uses for reiserfs v3, TBH
[15:57] <thyrax> and its at 3 disks now and 870gb when formatted with ext3
[15:57] <thyrax> what would yourecommend I use
[15:58] <thyrax> many of the files on my media server are video
[15:58] <crimsun> for a media server storing multigigabyte files?  XFS for certain.
[15:58] <thyrax> and greater than 750mb
[15:58] <thyrax> even on a raid array?
[15:58] <thyrax> is it stable enough?
[15:58] <crimsun> yes.
[15:58] <crimsun> yes.
[15:58] <crimsun> XFS has been used and maintained for decades.
[15:58] <thyrax> can I grow xfs? because I plan on growing the raid 5 array?
[15:58] <thyrax> can I grow xfs? because I plan on growing the raid 5 array*
[15:59] <crimsun> sure.
[15:59] <thyrax> is xfs ready to go now?
[15:59] <thyrax> do I have to compile anything?
[15:59] <crimsun> the default kernel in Ubuntu has always supported it.
[16:00] <thyrax> I ran mke2fs -j this formatted it to ext3 right?
[16:00] <crimsun> yes.
[16:00] <thyrax> how do I back track and install xfs?
[16:00] <crimsun> you can't do that non-destructively
[16:01] <thyrax> oh there is no data on it
[16:01] <thyrax> or do you mean I'll have to destroy the array?
[16:01] <crimsun> my suggestion is simply to reinstall and choose the XFS fs option when you get to guided partitioning
[16:01] <thyrax> its not an install
[16:01] <crimsun> ok, so I presume your / does _not_ reside on the array?
[16:02] <thyrax> its just a seperate set of drives in raid array for media storage
[16:02] <thyrax> definitely not :)
[16:03] <crimsun> ok, then simply umount any partitions hosted on the array, then sudo mkfs.xfs partition
[16:04] <thyrax> will it overwrite the existing ext3 file system?
[16:04] <crimsun> yes, it will destroy it.
[16:04] <thyrax> ok and do you know if it will allow more free space?
[16:04] <thyrax> I noticed ext3 took up lots of space
[16:04] <crimsun> I do not; that depends on the block size you choose.
[16:04] <thyrax> hmmm
[16:05] <crimsun> keep in mind that ext3, by default, also reserves 5% of the total partition size for superuser accounting
[16:05] <thyrax> I didn't choose a block size just used defaults
[16:05] <thyrax> ok so xfs take up less space right?
[16:06] <thyrax> should*^
[16:06] <crimsun> I don't think you're asking the correct question
[16:07] <crimsun> "Will XFS provide a larger usable default area?"  Possibly.
[16:07] <crimsun> Again, there are parameters you can pass to mkfs.xfs to tweak things like block size, accounting, etc.
[16:08] <thyrax> do you have a good tutorial? how does block size affect it. its an md0 raid 5 array
[16:08] <thyrax> I just want it to be stable
[16:08] <thyrax> since its going to be 1.8TB at the end of the day I didn't want that to be a factor
[16:08] <thyrax> i mean issue*
[16:08] <crimsun> XFS certainly fulfills that most basic of requirements.
[16:09] <thyrax> have you used it alot?
[16:09] <thyrax> is it stable
[16:09] <crimsun> I don't have a URL for a tutorial offhand; a web search engine will assist you more readily.
[16:09] <thyrax> searching now :)
[16:09] <crimsun> I use XFS on all fs that stream multigigabyte files.
[16:10] <crimsun> And yes, they've been rock-solid for years, in some instances, decades.
[16:10] <crimsun> (yes, I use IRIX, too)
[16:10] <thyrax> yes but what about on linux?
[16:11] <thyrax> do you know to go about growing it after formatting?
[16:11] <thyrax> xfs grow command?
[16:14] <thyrax> I see xfs has had a long history on other platforms has it been run on linux for a long amount of time
[16:14] <thyrax> I see ext3 was concieved about 1999
[16:14] <thyrax> and resierf is newer than that :/
[16:16] <thyrax> from what I read many people agree with you that xfs is more stable why do so many distros support ext3?
[16:26] <thyrax> sigh i guess ill be giving xfs a try. thanks crimsun
[16:30] <olie> Hi, Im looking for a transparent on-screen keyboard that doesn't require a opengl graphic card. Does anyone know of one ? if not, is it possible to make a transparent window that is always on top and that can simulate keystrokes to the underlying windows ?
[16:31] <crimsun> thyrax: ext3 is the most stable ("proven"), decently performing fs for all possible use cases.
[16:31] <crimsun> thyrax: and yes, for quite some time under Linux I've used XFS
[16:34] <thyrax> crimsum have you had any problems?
[16:35] <thyrax> this is basically just a media server that I will need to be able to grow to hold files mainly in the 600mb -1.5gb range
[16:36] <thyrax> so as long as its stable enough to manage that then I will be happy. ill format it now and see if it's journaling system takes up less or more space than ext3
[16:37] <crimsun> thyrax: I haven't experienced any problems with XFS lately.
[16:38] <thyrax> crimsun: what block size would you recommend for my setup?
[16:38] <crimsun> default should suffice.
[16:38] <thyrax> I found this tut can you scan through it when you have a chance? http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:L2S4gyD2bqkJ:www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/RAID+grow+xfs&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=16&gl=us
[16:39] <crimsun> I'm pretty busy ATM, sorry.
[16:39] <thyrax> np
[16:39] <thyrax> basically it has this command for a 4k block size: mkfs.xfs -b size=4096 -L Recordings /dev/md0 -f
[16:39] <thyrax> not sure of what the syntax means or what block size ill need but ill keep researching
[16:40] <thyrax> thanks alot for your input
[16:46] <crimsun> 4k is the default
[16:46] <crimsun> you shouldn't need to specify it explicitly
[16:46] <Ahmuck> !login
[16:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about login - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:46] <Ahmuck> is there a way to login automagically without username/password in xubuntu?
[16:54] <Rafabe> hi...i'm trying to install Xubuntu. I booted the CD selected "Install Xubuntu", and then it seemed to start loading fine. I was prompted for a "low-graphics mode" warning, but chose to continue in low-graphics. It continued loading scripts, but now it's stuck at "loading local boot scripts: rclocal.bc" (paraphrased). I can type stuff here, but it's clearly not a console, because it does not respond to input
[16:54] <Rafabe> any ideas?
[16:55] <Rafabe> I had the same issue with Ubuntu...at the time  Ithought it was because I did not have the required 384mb of RAM, but it's gotta be soemthing else if Xubuntu has the same issue
[17:00] <TheSheep> Rafabe: did you verify the cd for errors?
[17:00] <TheSheep> Rafabe: there is an option for that in the boot menu
[17:00] <Rafabe> yes I did. I asked in Ubuntu and they recommended I boot in safe graphics mode, which I'm doing
[17:04] <Rafabe> it appears I will need the Alternate version.
[17:13] <thyrax> hmm tried to format a device to xfs using mkfs.xfs and received "mkfs.xfs: command not found"
[17:13] <thyrax> Is it not supported in ubuntu?
[17:14] <crimsun> it is supported, and you should have xfsutils installed.
[17:14] <crimsun> sorry, xfsprogs
[17:14] <crimsun> I keep mixing it up with jfsutils
[17:15] <thyrax> "sudo apt-get install xfsprogs" should do the trick?
[17:15] <crimsun> yes [but it should be installed already...]
[17:16] <thyrax> ill give it a try see what it says
[17:16] <thyrax> hmm installing it looks like
[17:18] <thyrax> done ran command saw that i had ext3 so recommended that I use -f to force
[17:18] <thyrax> overwrite
[17:18] <thyrax> so typed sudo mkfs.xfs -f /dev/md0
[17:19] <thyrax> is that the correct syntax all it did was list metadata and other info
[17:19]  * thyrax scratches head
[17:19] <crimsun> right, the creation is fairly laconic
[17:20] <thyrax> heh so it's done?
[17:20] <thyrax> safe to remount?
[17:24] <thyrax> wow scarry
[17:25] <thyrax> I have gone from having 870Gb with ext3 to 931.4GB with xfs
[17:25] <crimsun> right
[17:25] <thyrax> :)
[17:25] <thyrax> no lost and found folder though is that bad?
[17:25] <thyrax> how is xfs able to format so fast?
[17:25] <crimsun> XFS does not use a lost+found
[17:26] <thyrax> so It should be safe to write files to it now?
[17:29] <thyrax> thanks crimsun you've been very helpful :D
[17:30] <crimsun> yes, it's safe.
[17:47] <thyrax> having trouble mounting new xfs array
[17:47] <thyrax> "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"
[17:48] <thyrax> I guess its a result of converting to xfs...
[17:48] <thyrax> any I dea what the syntax needs to be changed to. I used mount /dev/md0 /home/md0
[17:50] <thyrax> will mount -t xfs be ok? guess ill try it
[17:50] <crimsun> you shouldn't need to pass -t xfs at all
[17:51] <thyrax> yeah i got an error sayig can't read super block
[17:52] <thyrax> any idea how to mount it now it's xfs I did it before and rebooted I guess it's not happy
[18:27] <thyrax> I found the problem. when I made the raid 5 array I forgot to add auto=yes to the mdadm.conf file. :)
[18:27] <thyrax> so it would be ready on boot
[18:32] <thyrax> thanks 4 all the help crisun
[18:32] <thyrax> crimsun*
[18:33] <thyrax> time to install ubuntu on this system later everyone
[18:34] <Rafabe> hi...i'm doing a text install for my first ubuntu installation. Currently I have 2 NTFS partitions of a single hard drive, one for Windows and one for storage. It appears that Guided partition wants to format the entire hard drive (which I don't ant because I need Storage partition intact), so I went with Manual. It's asking me to select a type: Ext3, Ext2, etc., NTFS
[18:34] <Rafabe> which one does ubuntu uses?
[18:35] <TheSheep> ext3
[18:35] <Rafabe> OK. What about mount point? It's currently "media\sda1"
[18:36] <Rafabe> but I can select /  or /boot   or /home etc
[18:36] <TheSheep> Rafabe: you need / at the minimum
[18:37] <Rafabe> what is typical for an install?
[18:37] <TheSheep> Rafabe: you may use additional partitions if you like
[18:37] <TheSheep> Rafabe: I usually have one 4 or 5GB partition for / and the rest for /home
[18:37] <Rafabe> is /  where the OS is installed?
[18:37] <Rafabe> and /home for personal files?
[18:38] <TheSheep> Rafabe: yes
[18:38] <TheSheep> Rafabe: you can also have only /
[18:38] <TheSheep> Rafabe: then it will be all together
[18:38] <Rafabe> i leave all mount options unchecked?
[18:38] <TheSheep> Rafabe: it won't install without /
[18:38] <Rafabe> ok, i selected / for mount point
[18:39] <Rafabe> what are "reserved blocks"?
[18:39] <Rafabe> and should i change it from 5%?
[18:39] <TheSheep> Rafabe: linux doesn't have disks like C: or d: in windows, it puts everything in one large "disk", and the partitions can be "mounted" as subdirectories of that disk
[18:40] <TheSheep> Rafabe: no, better leave the filesystem tunning options at the defaults
[18:40] <Rafabe> this partition is 70gb...is it ideal to do like you did and have a 5gb / partition, and then 65gb for Home?
[18:40] <TheSheep> Rafabe: and about 1GB for swap...
[18:41] <Rafabe> allright...I'll create 3 partitions then
[18:41] <TheSheep> Rafabe: it's optimal for me
[18:41] <Rafabe> no wait, i can't. "because of an unknown reason it is impossible to resize this partition
[18:41] <TheSheep> Rafabe: your mileage may vary
[18:41] <Rafabe> it's ok, i'll have it all as one big hard drive
[18:41] <TheSheep> Rafabe: I guess it's the simplest option
[18:42] <Rafabe> back to the partition menu, I now see my "#1 primary" as ext 3, and "/"
[18:42] <Rafabe> and then my "#5 logical" as ntfs, awith "/media/sda5"
[18:43] <Rafabe> I can proceed with changes now?
[18:43] <Rafabe> sorry for requiring this much hand-holding, I'm afraid to lose my storage partition
[18:44] <TheSheep> Rafabe: you resized it?
[18:44] <Rafabe> no, it gave me this error: [13:41] <Rafabe> no wait, i can't. "because of an unknown reason it is impossible to resize this partition
[18:45] <TheSheep> Rafabe: ah, but you have unallocated disk space to make a partition for linux?
[18:45] <TheSheep> Rafabe: because it will format it
[18:46] <Rafabe> I don't need anything on the primary partition, I moved everything to the Storage partition
[18:46] <Rafabe> only Windows is left on it
[18:46] <Rafabe> and it can go
[18:46] <TheSheep> Rafabe: you want to get rid of windows?
[18:46] <TheSheep> Rafabe: :)
[18:46] <TheSheep> Rafabe: so you're installing to your former windows partition
[18:46] <Rafabe> exactly
[18:47] <Rafabe> i split my hard drive into two partitions: one with Windows, and another where I dumped all my personal files. I want to install Ubuntu on the Windows partition.
[18:47] <TheSheep> Rafabe: should be ok
[18:47] <Rafabe> You have not selected any partitions for use as swap space"
[18:47] <TheSheep> Rafabe: it will display you a summary of what it is going to do
[18:47] <TheSheep> Rafabe: make sure it doesn't format your storage partition
[18:47] <Rafabe> no, i'm watching out for it
[18:48] <TheSheep> Rafabe: how much ram do you have?
[18:48] <Rafabe> 256mb
[18:48] <Rafabe> should I select "erased data on this partition" before trying to resize it?
[18:48] <Rafabe> erase
[18:48] <TheSheep> Rafabe: yes
[18:48] <Rafabe> alright, brb
[18:48] <TheSheep> I'd still backup the most important data
[18:49] <TheSheep> just in case :)
[18:49] <Rafabe> everything is backed up to the 2nd partition. But it's weird, I had like 10gb left on my primary partition, why couldn't it resize/create swap partitions
[18:50] <Rafabe> it's erasing/formatting now
[18:51] <TheSheep> Rafabe: it can have probalems handling the windows filesystem
[18:51] <Rafabe> another weird thing: it keeps referring to my hard drive as SCSI1...it's an IDE hard drive
[18:51] <TheSheep> Rafabe: especially if the computer wasn't shut down cleanly on your last windows session
[18:51] <Rafabe> oh...I just pressed the reset button on my tower. That might've been it
[18:52] <TheSheep> Rafabe: there was a unification of drivers in the kernel, and the IDE drives are now also handled by the SCSI module
[18:56] <Rafabe> i gotta say, installing ubuntu is not as simple/hassle-free as i had heard. If we didn't have 2 computers in the house I would have stuck with Windows.
[18:57] <Rafabe> thankfully we do, and I can ask other people for help
[18:58] <Rafabe> appreciate all your help, sheep
[18:59] <TheSheep> Rafabe: messing with partitions is difficult, most of the times you don't do it
[18:59] <TheSheep> Rafabe: if you had unpartitioned space on your hard disk, it would just ask to use it
[19:01] <Rafabe> i was referring to the live install. I understand a text install is not going to be very user-friendly.
[19:02] <TheSheep> Rafabe: the process is the same
[19:02] <Rafabe> it froze while loading the boot scripts...someone here suggested i download the alternate install iso, and do a text install, then figure out the issue
[19:02] <TheSheep> Rafabe: ah, so you stumbled upon a bug, it happens
[19:18] <Berafa> sheep
[19:19] <Rafabe2> after emptying the primary partition, I still cannot resize it in order to create a swap partition
[19:20] <Rafabe2> it's the same error as above. It says "check var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for details"
[19:22] <Rafabe2> should I "delete the partition" ?
[19:22] <Rafabe2> would that allow me to work with it?
[19:26] <TheSheep> Rafabe2: hmm... yes, it should work
[19:27] <TheSheep> Rafabe2: can you press alt+f4 and look at the details?
[19:28] <Rafabe2> that seemed to have work. I selected "auto-create partitions" on the free space, and it generated 764mb swap partition AND an ext3 primary partition
[19:28] <TheSheep> Rafabe2: great
[19:28] <Rafabe2> i think selecting "erased partition contents" did nothing, because it remained in NTFS
[19:29] <Rafabe2> it just erased its contents. Now it should be smooth sailing.
[20:06] <Rafabe2> xubuntu just finished installing, and restarted. Now at the boot I get "GRUB Loading stage 1.5" "GRUB loading, please wait" then "Error 18" and nothing happens
[20:06] <Rafabe2> googled it and it says "18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS"
[20:07] <TheSheep> Rafabe2: you installed on a logical partition, right?
[20:09] <Rafabe2> i don't think so
[20:09] <Rafabe2> I had it auto-create partitions, it created an ext3 primary one and a logical one for swap, then installed the OS without asking me anything else related to partitions (in fact the very next question was my full name)
[20:11] <TheSheep> Rafabe2: that's weird
[20:11] <Rafabe2> i'll google in case forums/etc have a solution
[20:11] <TheSheep> Rafabe2: you should be able to install grub to mba
[20:12] <Rafabe2> "The only thing I can figure is that my boot partition is not within the first 8gb of the drive, but this is a brand new computer and newer BIOS's should not have this problem. "
[20:12] <Rafabe2> mine is NOT a brand-new computer
[20:12] <TheSheep> Rafabe2: is it the first partition?
[20:12] <Rafabe2> I believe so. It was #1. My swap was #6, and my storage partition was #5
[20:13] <Rafabe2> no #2-4 for some reason
[20:13] <TheSheep> Rafabe2: 1-4 are primary partitions
[20:13] <TheSheep> Rafabe2: at least one of the mmust be an extended partition if you have logical partitions
[20:14] <TheSheep> them
[20:14] <TheSheep> Rafabe2: at first computers could only have 4 partitions
[20:15] <TheSheep> Rafabe2: then they allowed to make 'extended' partitions, and put additional partitionsi nside them
[20:15] <TheSheep> inside
[20:33] <Rafabe2> sheep, according to forum posts, this problem occurs with old BIOS reading new hard drives. They can only see a boot sector in the first 8gb. So I have tp reinstall and create a boot partition at the beginning of the drive.
[20:34] <koiron> does anyone know a program to play shoutcast radio streams?  i'd love to use rhythmbox if at all possible
[22:10] <Ahmuck> amarok
[22:19] <userXubuntu> Hi, where do I find the settings for my Wacom mouse pen?
[22:19] <userXubuntu> (It works, but the settings must be adjusted)
[22:21] <userXubuntu> (The mouse settings only apply to the mouse...)
[22:26] <userXubuntu> THat's wierd, I started GIMP to have a look at the "extended inpout drivers" but it alerted that none were found.
[22:29] <userXubuntu> I took a look at the Additional input controller (the subsetting of input devices) and added a Linux input, and choosed Wacom graphire, which stated "Device not available: persmission denied" - what gives?
[22:40] <userXubuntu> Hmm, I found SPM and wacom-kernel-source and wacom-tools, do I dare install them? Eh, what the hell.
[23:27] <booster614> hello all...i have a question about dual booting on an older dell latitude cp lappy
[23:29] <userXubuntu> It's kind of dead here (or they just don't like me)
[23:30] <userXubuntu> Iäm a noob myself, but I recenly did a dual boot on my comp, maybe I can help?
[23:30] <userXubuntu> *I'm
[23:31] <booster614> ok well i had to get a copy of xubuntu alt cd to install...besause of low memory..i only have 64mb... the cpu is a 233 pII
[23:32] <booster614> i had win 2000 sp4 running on it verry nice speeds...but when i tried to patition the disk it said i couldnt....so i did a full patition of the 12 gig hdd....now i want to install windows on the hd...how can i???
[23:33] <thruxton> booster614: yuo need to shrink the partiton and make a new one for windows, gparted has a nice live cd that will do that
[23:33] <booster614> ok thank you ill google it now
[23:33] <thruxton> booster614: but window will probably overwrite you mbr, so back up your existing /boot dir
[23:34] <thruxton> or just boot the xubuntu cd and rerun grub
[23:34] <booster614> i may needa lil help with that when i get to it
[23:34] <userXubuntu> Oh, yes, now you come to life...
[23:34] <userXubuntu> Wait, I thought you already partitioned/formated your entre drive?
[23:34] <booster614> its doing it now
[23:34] <userXubuntu> Then just start the liveCD,
[23:34] <booster614> im installing xubuntu on the full hadd
[23:35] <booster614> hdd*
[23:35] <userXubuntu> Oh, I see.
[23:35] <booster614> i cant use a live cd on this POS for some reason
[23:35] <booster614> i dont have the ram for it
[23:35] <userXubuntu> Ok, I thought you was in the partitioning phase still,
[23:35] <booster614> its installing the base system right now
[23:36] <userXubuntu> You could have used fdisk otherwise,
[23:37] <booster614> im realy not to good with linux...but i do know how to use it....some what
[23:37] <userXubuntu> Hehe, yeah, don't we all think so...
[23:37] <userXubuntu> (just kidding)
[23:38] <booster614> the hard part for me was learning how to get apps/packages to install and how...but i was able to figure out on ubuntu 7.04
[23:39] <userXubuntu> I'm currently stuck with finding my settings for my Wacom tablet, you don't happen to know how I would go about?
[23:39] <booster614> Wacom tab ??? never heard of it......sorry
[23:40] <userXubuntu> (a "pen mouse")
[23:40] <booster614> i dont have one...never did
[23:40] <userXubuntu> Well, if there is anyone out there in this chat: I used SPM to install wacom-kernel-source and wacom-tools.
[23:41] <userXubuntu> How can I set them p?
[23:41] <userXubuntu> Let me refraise that: where do  find the settings for the Wacom tools?
[23:41] <karltk> I'm seeing some really nasty graphical artifacts in the xfce terminal when I'm scrolling, particularly with less. Has anybody else seen this?
[23:42] <karltk> kloeri: hi bryan:)
[23:42] <userXubuntu> Kar: Sometimes there are "gaps" in the lines, and once the text had "flip flopped"
[23:43] <kloeri> hiya karltk :)
[23:43] <userXubuntu> Wait, so there are people here?
[23:43] <userXubuntu> What's wrong with my questions?
[23:43] <karltk> userXubuntu: I'm seeing large rectangles filled with data from other desktops, e.g. "cut outs" from web pages displayed in firefox on a different desktop.
[23:44] <karltk> userXubuntu: I've no idea about wacom settings, I'm afraid:(
[23:44] <userXubuntu> Well, congrats, you win; that's is some freaky distortions.
[23:45] <userXubuntu> kar: that's ok =) I was addressing the rest of the chat room ;)
[23:45] <karltk> userXubuntu: ;)
[23:48] <booster614> is anyone in here useing Xchat ???
[23:48] <booster614> i have a problem adding servers
[23:58] <userXubuntu> What is the name of the teminal exe?


[01:20] <LowEndGeek> Hey I was just curious what exactly "Dependency wait" means and if there is anything I can do to resolve it
[01:21] <wgrant> LowEndGeek: It means that at least one of the package's build dependencies isn't available.
[01:22] <wgrant> You should see the dependency in question on the build page.
[01:22] <LowEndGeek> alright, how would I then resolve it, it's a conflicting package version
[01:22] <LowEndGeek> it builds locally just fine
[01:22] <wgrant>  Missing build dependencies: valac (>= 0.16)
[01:23] <LowEndGeek> right
[01:23] <wgrant> precise only has valac 0.14.2, not 0.16
[01:23] <wgrant> If you want to build for precise, you'll need to backport valac >= 0.16 to precise in your PPA.
[01:23] <LowEndGeek> strange, it does build on my machine running 12.04
[01:24] <wgrant> What does "apt-cache policy valac" say?
[01:24] <LowEndGeek> ok can you link me to docs to do that if you have them please?  Give me a sec
[01:24] <LowEndGeek> Installed: 0.22.0-2~precise1
[01:25] <wgrant> http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/backports.html
[01:25] <wgrant> But it sounds like there's already a backport of 0.22 somewhere.
[01:25] <wgrant> apt-cache policy should have told you where you got that version.
[01:25] <LowEndGeek> im running elementary and it's available in their repo now that I'm looking
[01:25] <wgrant> If it's a PPA, you can add that PPA as a dependency of yours.
[01:26] <LowEndGeek> ok how would I do that?
[01:26] <wgrant> Is it a PPA?
[01:26] <wgrant> What is the URL that "apt-cache policy valac" gives for that version?
[01:26] <LowEndGeek> yes http://ppa.launchpad.net/elementary-os/stable/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages
[01:27] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/~kenharkey7/+archive/ubuntu/lunaup/+edit-dependencies, add "elementary-os/stable".
[01:27] <wgrant> And then retry the build.
[01:27] <LowEndGeek> ok let me try, I appreciate the help
[01:46] <LowEndGeek> ok, this is going to be a bit more complicated then I first thought, but I now have enough to get me started in the right direction, thanks again
[09:31] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hey I deleted a branch, made a new folder, and branched a lp again. When it finished getting the revisions, the folder it branched to remained empty
[09:31] <Akiva-Thinkpad> what did I do wrong?