[00:31] <jjesse-dell9> seele: is my power supply for my dell still there by you?
[00:36] <jjesse-dell9> i think she is ignoring you
[00:36] <jjesse-dell9> ignorning me
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> bug 226119 made me squirt my orange juice out of my nose
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> which would have been a good thing except citric acid generally isn't nice to your nasal passage :(
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> (well, the last comment of said bug)
[00:52] <Hobbsee> i want to know who the falks are.
[00:52] <Hobbsee> or what.
[00:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: whit?
[00:55] <Hobbsee> ;)
[00:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: we've had that before, the qt with nessus doesn't have the same symbols as us
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I've seen that too
[01:15] <vorian> sup guys!
[01:52] <yao_ziyuan> i'm curious about how ubuntu checks upstream packages for security breaches.
[01:52] <yao_ziyuan> for example, if we install chinese language support in ubuntu, "stardict" will be automatically installed.
[01:53] <yao_ziyuan> stardict is maintained by someone in mainland china. he was my msn buddy and i know he is politically trustworthy,
[01:53] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Would you mind doing binary New on mlt++.
[01:53] <yao_ziyuan> but what if it's someone in china/russia we don't know?
[01:54] <\sh> yao_ziyuan: who tells you that any dev/packager is political correct? Just because of the country he/she is living?
[01:54] <yao_ziyuan> right
[01:54] <yao_ziyuan> so is there any mechanism to check?
[01:54] <\sh> yao_ziyuan: tbh, this thinking is so wrong...
[01:55] <yao_ziyuan> tbh=?
[01:55] <vorian> to be honest
[01:55] <\sh> to be honest
[01:55] <yao_ziyuan> is there peer review of source code?
[01:56] <\sh> the community
[01:56] <yao_ziyuan> but it is possible that stardict's source code is never reviewed by someone else?
[01:57] <yao_ziyuan> because it's not a standard component
[01:57] <yao_ziyuan> it is only installed when chinese language support is enabled.
[01:57] <\sh> yes...but that could happen to openoffice as well
[01:58] <ScottK-laptop> yao_ziyuan: It's free software, the source is available so anyone can review it.
[01:58] <yao_ziyuan> so it's easier to plant a backdoor in open source projects than in wikipedia
[01:58] <ScottK-laptop> I don't think that follows.
[01:58] <yao_ziyuan> *than to vandalize in wikipedia
[01:59] <ScottK-laptop> Actually it's quite trivial to get false information into Wikipedia.  It just needs to be on an obscure topic.
[01:59] <yao_ziyuan> in wikipedia, if an article is of little interest to the public and is not watched by anyone, then it's very likely that vandalism to it is not caught.
[01:59] <\sh> yao_ziyuan: yes and no...using windows, you already have backdoors you don't know...but
[02:00] <ScottK-laptop> Right, commercial software vendors outsource coding to all kinds of places and there is no way to know or check.
[02:00] <\sh> I don't know any source which was doing something nasty and wasn't revelead in no time
[02:00] <yao_ziyuan> i do believe microsoft reviews every line of code
[02:01] <ScottK-laptop> yao_ziyuan: Why do you believe that?
[02:01] <ScottK-laptop> And how do you know what they review it for?
[02:01] <yao_ziyuan> microsoft easily has money to hire people to do the review
[02:01] <ScottK-laptop> Your definition and theirs of acceptable might be widely different.
[02:01] <ScottK-laptop> Microsoft is in the business of making profits.
[02:02] <ScottK-laptop> It's not in their interest to spend more on code than they need to.
[02:02] <yao_ziyuan> ok
[02:03] <\sh> yao_ziyuan: why do you think it's so difficult for the EU government to get hands on the source of MS Windows? (actually theyhave now for a good bunch of the code, but not all, especially the cryptographic stuff is problematic)
[02:03] <yao_ziyuan> ok skip microsoft
[02:04] <ScottK-laptop> Today almost all large commercial software development is done by doing the design and specifications in house and outsourcing the actual code to the lowest bidder.
[02:04] <ScottK-laptop> I've done consulting work for one large anti-spam vendor that did all their coding in the Ukraine.
[02:04] <yao_ziyuan> ok, let's focus on the original problem
[02:05] <\sh> we hire nearshoring companies from romania
[02:05] <yao_ziyuan> if we have a malicious author
[02:05] <yao_ziyuan> who creates and maintains a package
[02:05] <yao_ziyuan> the packages seems to work fine
[02:05] <yao_ziyuan> and ubuntu includes it
[02:05] <yao_ziyuan> and even installs it by default
[02:05] <ScottK-laptop> But someone has to decide to include it.
[02:06] <ScottK-laptop> If it's installed by default (in Main) there is at least some security audit done.
[02:06] <yao_ziyuan> someone decides to include it because it seems useful and working
[02:06] <yao_ziyuan> good to hear that
[02:06] <ScottK-laptop> Gotta go put a kid to bed.  Back in a bit.
[02:06] <yao_ziyuan> gotta sleep
[02:12] <ScottK-laptop> If I lived in China, I'd be nervous too.
[02:12] <Tm_T> ScottK-laptop: glad our little one finally sleeps more than 2 hours at night
[02:13] <ScottK-laptop> ;-)
[02:13] <ScottK-laptop> Our 'little one' is now 5, so it's a different set of excitments.
[02:14] <Tm_T> I know (:)
[02:14] <Tm_T> I'm more used to be with kids than babies
[02:17] <\sh> don't make me nervous...I need my sleep...at least I won't get it in less then 5 months ,-)
[02:20] <ScottK-laptop> Bawah-ha-ha-ha-ha!
[02:20] <ScottK-laptop>  ^^ is an evil laugh if you can't tell.
[02:20] <\sh> hmm...I got that ,-)
[02:20] <Tm_T> kids...
[02:21] <\sh> if my son will be born around the release time of jaunty...he will be nicknamed "jaunty" and it will be written in his identity card
[02:22] <ScottK-laptop> Who's the Kubuntu person going to https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-hotkey-madness
[02:22] <Tm_T> \sh: as your grandmother/-father I don't approve that
[02:22] <\sh> Tm_T: hehe
[02:22] <ScottK-laptop> \sh: No Jackalope tatoos.
[02:23] <\sh> ScottK: oh...no...but there will be a tatoo..on my arm..with the name of our offspring :)
[02:25] <ScottK-laptop> I'm cool with that.
[02:25] <ScottK-laptop> Just keep in mind you may have more than one, so consider room for expansion so the later ones don't feel left out.
[02:26] <ScottK-laptop> Not kidding on that one, BTW.  One of my wife's brothers didn't think that through very well.
[02:27] <\sh> ScottK: my back has enough room for more then two or four ;)
[02:28] <\sh> and oh...I did something right...my nfs filestores with drbd and heartbeat were surving a kernel update
[04:15] <chaztrip> can some one help with a question...  I am trying to install mono on kubuntu and getting errors...
[04:30] <ScottK-laptop> Not very patient these mono folks.
[04:38] <\sh> grmpf...fcked up while working on cisco access lists...
[05:34] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: mlt approved
[05:35] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Thanks.  I think I can do kdenlive up to a KDE4 version now.
[05:36] <Riddell> awooga
[05:36] <NCommander> hey Riddell
[05:38] <Riddell> evening NCommander
[05:38] <Riddell> NCommander: coming for a swim?
[05:38] <NCommander> no swim trunks
[05:38] <Riddell> nobody's looking
[05:38] <NCommander> I'm mulling for sleep
[05:41] <seele> a bit cold for a swim
[05:41] <NCommander> the cold makes it nice
[05:42] <NCommander> Riddell, who else is going to go swim?
[05:43] <ScottK-laptop> Did Hobbsee get thrown in the pool yet?
[05:43] <ScottK-laptop> Perhaps it's seele's turn this time.
[05:43] <seele> no
[05:43] <seele> on both counts
[05:43] <NCommander> If Hobbsee is going to get thrown in the pool, I'll go down
[05:43] <NCommander> That would be worth watching
[05:44] <NCommander> I'm currently enjoying mythbusters
[05:44] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Got some time for an FTBFS?  It's even in Universe so you can upload it ...
[05:44] <NCommander> Maybe
[05:44] <NCommander> I'm kinda burnt at the moment, but I can add it to my queue
[05:44] <ScottK-laptop> It's mlt.  Seems to have died on quite a number of archs.
[05:44] <seele> NCommander: she says she may put her feet in .. i dunno about the pool throwing bit though
[05:45] <NCommander> Wait
[05:45] <NCommander> Soemthing just authed as me ...
[05:45] <NCommander> O_o;
[05:46] <NCommander> o_o;
[05:47] <NCommander> seele, Riddell, I'll be down in about ten minutes when I change and finish seeing if a radar can cook a turkey
[05:47] <seele> NCommander: i'm not going down :)
[05:48] <NCommander> seele, you don't even want to join us around the pool?
[05:49] <seele> NCommander: not after i see you throw people in
[05:49] <NCommander> I don't throw people in
[05:49] <NCommander> I just watch and laugh
[05:52] <Hobbsee> oh, so people are going swimming?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> I was contemplating it, at some point
[05:53] <NCommander> Hobbsee, it would be interesting to see
[05:53] <NCommander> I just watched a turkey denotate
[05:53] <Hobbsee> NCommander: what, me swimming?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> er, why?
[05:54] <NCommander> Hobbsee, no, just seeing people downstairs being social. Cause, you know, being social is cool
[05:54]  * NCommander is half-awake and fairly easy to confuse at the moment
[05:54] <NCommander> as for exploding turkeys
[05:54] <NCommander> Well, why not?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> there is that
[11:19] <glade88> http://forum.kde.org/gwenview-save-as-problem-t-19263.html#pid24568 -- would be a bug?
[12:24] <doc___> hi there
[12:58] <cbr> aww crap kwin is using 80% cpu
[12:59] <cbr> i better reboot or something, the laptop's fan is going nuts
[13:16] <cbr> nice.. and now suspend to ram won't work in jaunty :(
[13:16] <hunger> cbr: You can sudo pm-suspend. That still works.
[13:17] <hunger> cbr: kpowersave does as well. Every other GUI seems to be broken though.
[13:22] <cbr> nope, sudo pm-suspend doesnt work
[13:22] <cbr> the screen goes black as if it's going to suspend
[13:22] <cbr> but then suddenly the picture reappears
[13:25] <cbr> i dont remember updating anything power-management related
[13:25] <cbr> ugh..
[13:27] <cbr> this is rather frustrating.. will power management ever work fine on linux
[13:27] <hunger> cbr: Apparently ubuntu policy requires two power managment breakages per release.
[13:28] <jtechidna> lol
[13:28] <ScottK> jtechidna: Three for Kubuntu.
[13:28] <cbr> i dont know, my mum has ubuntu on her laptop, seemed to look well, i think kde is the problem child
[13:29] <cbr> *seemed to work well
[13:29] <hunger> cbr: Well, ubuntu and kde do not really go well together IMHO. ubutu has a very gnomish base:-(
[13:29] <jtechidna> of course :P
[13:30] <cbr> well, i'd use debian but debian doesnt ship new kde packages as fast as kubuntu.. or puts them in the experimental repo which is somewhat annoying to use
[13:31] <cbr> altogether, debian gave me a more solid experience though.. maybe not shipping the new stuff, is why :p
[13:31] <cbr> why can't we have the good from both worlds
[13:31] <hunger> cbr: Yeap, I've been entertaining the thought of heading back to debian for a while now.
[13:31] <hunger> cbr: Just don't find the time to actually pull it through...
[13:34] <cbr> it sucks that no major distribution is behind kde
[13:34] <cbr> that would probably move things in the right direction a lot faster
[13:35] <cbr> but i guess i can understand their motives as well.. they need a stable system, nothing too fancy, kind of like winxp.. something they can develop for and not worry that their code will be redundant in two years time
[13:35] <cbr> and gnome is good for that
[13:35] <ScottK-laptop> cbr: Which release are you one?
[13:35] <hunger> cbr: Sucks much more that the gnomes come up with lots of really bad interfaces all the time:-(
[13:35] <cbr> ScottK-laptop: jaunty
[13:36] <hunger> cbr: network-manager, pulseaudio and other useless stuff.
[13:36] <ScottK-laptop> cbr: It's really not actually expected to work very well at the moment.  If you want working, run Intrepid (or even Hardy).
[13:36] <hunger> ScottK-laptop: Those are no fun and all the packages are outdated anyway:-(
[13:36] <cbr> yeah, if i'd want something stable and productive, i'd use windows :p
[13:36] <cbr> i want the action :p
[13:37] <hunger> Apropos pulseaudio: Why is that started in kubuntu? Breaks phonon here...
[13:37] <cbr> dunno, network-manager seems to Just Work (tm)
[13:37] <cbr> they sodomized the kde interface though
[13:37] <cbr> so i'm using the gnome systray applet
[13:37] <cbr> which works fine
[13:38] <ScottK-laptop> hunger: You can't have it both bleeding edge and stable.
[13:38] <hunger> cbr: nm has really *CRAPPY* interfaces.
[13:38] <cbr> you mean the user interface?
[13:38] <hunger> cbr: No, the programmers interfaces.  Just told cbr how I work around the problem he has as well.
[13:39] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[13:39] <hunger> cbr: Well, it is so ugly that the kde guys wrote solid so they had not to deal with it...
[13:40] <hunger> cbr: actually that is only part of the reason for solid of course.
[13:40] <cbr> uhuh.. but nothing uses solid to control it.. the only useful thing that has come of the solid nm thingy is that apps are aware when the network is up
[13:40] <cbr> but there's no control interface
[13:40] <cbr> which is kind of the point of nm
[13:41] <jtechidna> that's because suse doesn't need a nm interface until they release the next opensuse :P
[13:41] <jtechidna> (a nm interface for KDE4)
[13:41] <jtechidna> oh well, at least one will be ready for Jaunty
[13:42] <hunger> Well, there is a plasmoid in kde 4.2 for solid/nm AFAIK.
[13:42] <cbr> that's a bit sad if you start to think about it.. KDE4 was released in jan 2008, will it be functional by jan 2009? i wouldn't bet money on it? by jan 2010? i would bet like 5 bucks on it but then it has been out for 2 years already.. that's like a lifetime
[13:43] <cbr> not that it wasn't a welcome development and a necessary step and kde4 looks awesome an all
[13:44] <cbr> and*
[13:44] <hunger> cbr: Will would have made much better progress if NM wouldn't suck so hard:-)
[13:45] <hunger> cbr: NM-applet only works since it is the demo app the NM guys keep up to date IMHO.
[13:45] <hunger> Well, don't take me too seriously...  So my outlook is a bit negative at this time:-)
[13:46] <ScottK-laptop> cbr: Put it a different way ...  KDE4 has been being developed for ~ 3 years and is already a big step forward.  MS took 5 years to make Vista and take a step back.
[13:46] <ScottK-laptop> In the scheme of things, I think KDE does pretty good.
[13:47] <cbr> yes, but some of the developments are rather peculiar..
[13:48] <cbr> for example strigi, nepomuk etc.. oh goodie, i can rank my files (dont know why i would want to do that but i can) but i can't connect to a wireless network nor control my display power management properly (up until 4.2)
[13:49] <ScottK-laptop> Oddly enough, both those things work pretty much fine for me.
[13:50] <jtechidna> to be fair that's a narrow view of the purposes of those two frameworks are. Most of what they are purposed to do still hasn't been fully implemented yet (
[13:50] <jtechidna> see also: semantic desktop)
[13:50] <cbr> is that all the tagging stuff?
[13:51] <jtechidna> yeah, the base framework is there but there's not really any useful way to use the info
[13:51] <jtechidna> e.g. search integration into kfind or semantic browsing in dolphin
[13:51] <cbr> that's another thing i dont get.. i know all the computer scientists like to play around with tags, rdf etc.. but i have never ever seen anybody actually tag their files.. except on youtube or flickr where it makes sense
[13:52] <xerosis> when I have a load of papers to read, I tag them as 'read' after I'm done, so at least one person does :)
[13:53] <jtechidna> it is also assuming that developers are absolutely fungible resources. The nepomuk dev is working on grant money to develop semantic/rdf technologies, and is by no means an expert in developing network manager type interfaces (not that he couldn't be if he wanted to)
[13:53] <jtechidna> he is pursuing his hobby/job by developing nepomuk, and he probably wouldn't be working on nm even if he wasn't working on nepomuk
[13:54] <jtechidna> though he probably would be working on the KDE4 k3b port :P
[13:54] <jtechidna> (since he's k3b's author also)
[13:55] <jtechidna> So yes, it's a bit frustrating when some areas are overlooked, but there's no simple solution or cause for blame
[13:55] <cbr> yeah, a lot of thought was put to get the frameworks there.. but the apps on them were kind of completely forgotten
[13:56] <cbr> not to blame the developers who did hard work, but that's how it is, there's no denying that
[13:56] <cbr> and i really like kde, so that saddens me a bit
[13:57] <ScottK-laptop> cbr: You're judging the building half built and complaining the top half isn't built yet.
[13:59] <cbr> hey, i was handed an apartment in that building and allowed to move in
[13:59] <cbr> aren't i kind of entitled then? :p
[13:59] <jtechidna> are you paying rent? :P
[14:00] <cbr> no, does that mean instead of stairs i should be happy with a nailon rope? ;)
[14:00] <ScottK-laptop> cbr: It means if you don't like the nylon rope you shouldn't have moved in.
[14:00] <cbr> *nylon probably
[14:00] <ScottK-laptop> KDE3 is around and still quite usable.
[14:01] <ScottK-laptop> We updated Kubuntu Hardy to 3.5.10 post release exactly because not everyone will want to be on KDE4 yet.
[14:01] <cbr> but my real estate agent said it was ready so i was happy to move into a modern house from the rather tasteless one i was living in
[14:02] <ScottK-laptop> We rather explicitly said KDE 4 is not for everyone yet, so I don't buy that analogy.
[14:04] <cbr> well, to be honest, that was said after the first disappointing reviews of the soon-to-be-released 4.0 were coming out.. and nobody said that about 4.1
[14:04] <cbr> i'm not blaming again, i just feel like arguing at the moment :p
[14:07] <ScottK-laptop> cbr: I disagree.
[14:08] <ScottK-laptop> cbr: Our release announcement explicitly says you may not want to upgrade: http://www.kubuntu.org/month/2008/10
[14:09] <cbr> yeah, i know kubuntu did, i was talking about upstream
[14:09] <cbr> kubuntu made the best of the situation, i imagine
[14:09] <ScottK-laptop> Unless you're installing from their tarballs, I don't think that's really relevant.
[14:11] <cbr> i tend to think of distributions as binary repositories.. the thought of them actually being separate OSes with release cycles etc is kind of strange to me
[14:12] <ScottK-laptop> Well we do a lot of integration work here that gives a more polished product.
[14:12] <cbr> maybe that's because i started off with gentoo and that pretty much didnt have releases, they were basically just snapshots of the current tree.. i'm a spoilt child :p
[14:13] <cbr> anyway, i'm hungry, i hope the shop has some of that delicious tuna salad
[14:13] <cbr> bye
[14:19] <ScottK-laptop> So the bottom line of that conversation was, "Like wow, you guys actually do stuff"?
[14:22] <directhex> i think it was "why isn't jaunty released yet?"
[14:25] <ScottK-laptop> I want the very latest and I want it to be polished, stable, and complete.
[14:26] <directhex> i blame google
[14:27] <directhex> they broke the meaning of the word "beta", causing people to expect pre-release code to be complete & polished
[14:27] <jtechidna> I think we're very lucky that KDE3 got to the point where an svn snapshot could be considered polished, stable, and complete in the first place
[14:32] <ScottK-laptop> I recall about 10 years ago being in a meeting where we were reviewing the status of a program.
[14:33] <ScottK-laptop> I mentioned to the program manager that there is an old program management saying, "Better, cheaper, faster: Pick two" and I thought he just had (cheaper, faster).
[14:33] <ScottK-laptop> He told me that no, he'd figured out how to do all three.
[14:33] <ScottK-laptop> About a year later the program was cancelled because there was no way it could meet its objectives.
[14:35] <jtechidna> Heh,
[14:36] <seele> Riddell: what was i pinging pinotree for again?
[15:01] <ScottK-laptop> jtechidna: Got time to look at a Cmake problem for me?
[15:03] <ScottK-laptop> If you do, please grab http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/k/kdenlive/kdenlive_0.7-0.0.dsc (You'll have to adjust the libavcodec-dev and libavformat-dev versions for our ffmpeg versioning) and tell me why it can't find MLT?
[15:03] <ScottK-laptop> Good morning NCommander.
[15:04] <NCommander> Morning Scottk
[15:04]  * NCommander is dry from yesterday!
[15:04] <ScottK-laptop> Got time for a bit of revu hackery?  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/?archive=4208
[15:04] <NCommander> sure
[15:04] <NCommander> REVU just gave me a traceback ...
[15:05] <ScottK-laptop> Right.  That's the problem.
[15:05] <NCommander> Oh, I thought it required reviewing
[15:05] <NCommander> I don't have a REVU installation locally
[15:06] <ScottK-laptop> Well it's apparently broken'ish and RainCT isn't around, so I'm looking at you.
[15:06]  * ScottK-laptop gets more coffee ....
[15:11]  * hunger hates debugging kparts.
[15:11] <seele> coffee..
[15:15] <Riddell> seele: okular window opens in alternate sizes
[15:15] <seele> Riddell: kde4 beta?
[15:16] <Riddell> yes
[15:16] <seele> beta 1 or beta 2?
[15:16] <Riddell> beta 1
[15:16] <Riddell> worth checking on a computer that isn't me though
[15:16] <seele> hmm.. tonio has it installed, we can look on it
[15:17] <seele> i can't risk running beta on my work laptop.. i wish there was a way to create an additional kde installation like neon
[15:17] <Riddell> chroot
[15:18] <seele> what's that?
[15:19] <hunger> seele: chroot moves / into some subdir.
[15:20] <hunger> seele: You can install e.g. a new ubuntu with kde 4.2 into /home/test and then chroot into that dir.
[15:20] <seele> waiting until i get home and use my test machine sounds easier
[15:21] <hunger> seele: tse, tse, tse. All those young people don't know their unix anymore and don't want to learn it either;-)
[15:22] <rgreening> seele, do you use vm's? as you can install a test image into a vm via virtualbox (its quite easy)
[15:23] <hunger> rgreening: Why a VM when a chroot is enough? VMs are much slower.
[15:23] <seele> rgreening: ah, yeah.. i guess i can do that.. can you install just from an iso file isntead of burning it to CD?
[15:24] <seele> hunger: because clicking VirtualBox is easier than sysasmin black magic
[15:24] <rgreening> hunger: vm isn't actually that much slower, and allows saving states to test and rollback, etc
[15:24] <seele> *sysadmin
[15:24] <rgreening> seele: yes
[15:24] <hunger> seele: Yes, you can ask virtualbox to mount a iso image and to present it as a CD.
[15:25]  * rgreening likes voodoo black magic and black magic chocolates
[15:25] <hunger> rgreening: snapshots are indeed a good reason to prefer VMs:-)
[15:25] <rgreening> :P
[15:26] <hunger> rgreening: Of course you can do the same at least on FS level with a bit of LVM magic for chroots:-)
[15:26] <rgreening> hunger: if you have lots of time to waste
[15:26] <ScottK> But keep in mind you're talking to a usability engineer, not a professional sysadmin.
[15:27]  * rgreening likes quick and simple
[15:27] <hunger> ScottK: Actually most professional sysadmins I know don't know how to do LVM snapshots either:-(
[15:29] <ScottK> rgreening: Would you do me a favor and go through https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru/+bugs?field.bug_reporter=jr and tag them all verification-done instead of verification needed?
[15:29] <ScottK> rgreening: Since I did the 'works for me' comment, I think someone else should tag them.
[15:29] <ScottK> Once that's done, I'll lean on pitti to copy them to -updates.
[15:30]  * rgreening looks
[15:31]  * seele packs up and heads to breakfast
[15:31] <jjesse-dell9> MM BREAKFAST
[15:31] <jjesse-dell9> sorry for the caps
[15:31] <rgreening> ScottK: you mean update to Fix Committed? in the status?
[15:32] <ScottK> rgreening: No.  Change the tag from verification-needed to verification-done.
[15:32] <rgreening> hmm... I dont see where to change the tag.
[15:32] <ScottK> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/+bug/299498/+edit
[15:33] <ScottK> Click where it says Update description/tags right below the description.
[15:33] <rgreening> ah.. now I see
[15:34]  * ScottK notes that he's filed bugs about that being obscure.
[15:34] <rgreening> ScottK: I'll take care of it
[15:34] <rgreening> yes, it is obscure
[15:34] <ScottK> rgreening: Thanks.  Let me know when you're done and I'll chase after pitti.
[15:34]  * rgreening off for food
[15:34] <rgreening> ScottK: np
[15:37]  * Jucato powerpokes Hobbsee, jjesse-dell9, and nixternal >:)
[15:38] <sikor_sxe> hello, anyone knows where to find a kde4 python api description?
[15:38] <Jucato> oh wait, sorry Hobbsee, you shoujld be asleep :P
[15:38] <Riddell> sikor_sxe: api.kde.org
[15:39] <sikor_sxe> Riddell: well, that's the c++ api :/
[15:40] <sikor_sxe> Riddell: ahh
[15:40] <sikor_sxe> found it, thx
[15:56] <sikor_sxe> i have problems connecting a kio::job's signal with a slot in python
[15:56] <sikor_sxe> http://pastebin.com/m1f8f4df1
[15:58] <sikor_sxe> what could be missing
[15:58] <ScottK> sikor_sxe: How about http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/software/pykde/intro
[15:58] <ScottK> See the links on that page.
[15:59] <sikor_sxe> i know the page, it does not cover kde tho
[15:59] <sikor_sxe> kde4
[15:59] <ScottK> Right.  Sorry.  Just KDE3 there.
[16:00]  * jtechidna was at the dentist's office
[16:00]  * Jucato sees clones and waves :)
[16:00] <jtechidna> ScottK: I can't take a look at it for a while, I'm on a Fedora machine atm
[16:01] <jtechidna> Sysinfo for 'lockjaw': Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-76.fc7 running KDE 3.5.7-21.fc7 Fedora, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz at 1600 MHz (3190 bogomips), HD: 72/145GB, RAM: 1235/1264MB, 137 proc's, 2.44h up
[17:00] <seele> Nightrose: ping
[17:02] <tyfon> hmm since 8.10 the stuff installed via build-dep is put on the autoremove list
[17:06] <nixternal> Riddell and seele: it has been requested that I let you both know that you need to do an interview...I finished mine, now it is your turn!
[17:07] <seele> Nightrose: hmm?
[17:08] <seele> er..
[17:08] <seele> nixternal: hmm?
[17:08] <Riddell> nixternal: doc team needed in albor
[17:11] <rgreening> seele: my flight is 10PM, and wondering if 7:30 - 7:45 pickup time is appropriate fore schedule super shuttle
[17:12] <seele> rgreening: sure.. fine with me
[17:13] <rgreening> k
[17:14] <seele> is that going to be enough time for you?
[17:25] <rgreening> seele, booked and confirmed for 7-7:15PM Friday.
[17:25] <nixternal> Riddell: on my way over to albor now
[17:25] <Riddell> talk to evan if he's still there
[17:26] <seele> rgreening: kk, sounds good
[17:26] <rgreening> yeah, hes still here
[17:26] <jpds> rgreening: Are you leaving Sunday?
[17:26]  * Riddell spots "Make Rosetta attractive for upstreams", would a lynch mob be un-quakerly?
[17:27]  * seele raises an eyebrow
[17:29] <jtechidna> upstreams want to lynch us for using rosetta ourselves
[17:29] <Riddell> exactly
[17:30] <jtechidna> All we need now is a track of every single KDe developer laughing their asses off
[17:33] <jpds> rgreening: Nevermind, should have read that better.
[17:43] <Nightrose> seele: pong
[17:47] <Nightrose> seele: having dinner now - back in an hour or so
[17:52] <seele> Riddell: talking about font config and theyre asking me questions about what kde does.. dunno if you should be here instead :P
[17:54] <Riddell> seele: kcmshell4  fonts
[17:54] <nixternal> for being Google, their public wireless stinks!
[17:54] <Riddell> that's deliberate
[17:54] <seele> Nightrose: ah.. i was asking if you know about how to fix the kickoff menu in neon it's empty
[17:55] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: mvo is hoping for a Kubuntu person in foundations to talk automatic codec install.
[17:55] <seele> Riddell: uhm..
[17:55] <Riddell> everyone wants me
[17:55]  * seele tries to pay attention
[17:56] <ScottK-laptop> Send rgreening.
[17:58] <apachelogger> kde rev 895766
[17:58] <apachelogger> ubottu: bot!!!
[17:58] <apachelogger> -.-
[17:59] <apachelogger> stdin: the revision stuff is b0rked :(
[18:05] <jtechidna> aha, so that's what the problem with iPod support was
[18:05] <rgreening> ScottK: when I update the tag, should I add a comment?
[18:05] <nixternal> always
[18:06] <rgreening> nixternal: that directed to me?
[18:06] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: Make some generic comment about it being verified.
[18:06] <rgreening> kk
[18:06] <ScottK-laptop> Try to make it at least slightly different from mine.
[18:07] <nixternal> rgreening: yes
[18:12] <Hobbsee> !vistalover
[18:12] <Hobbsee> !visternal
[18:12] <Hobbsee> he's back to using KDE, too...
[18:12] <ScottK-laptop> Is his month of purgatory over?
[18:13] <nixternal> I HAVE ALWAYS USED KDE!!!
[18:13] <Hobbsee> ScottK-laptop: no, it seems he's violated it.
[18:13] <ScottK-laptop> You only react so strongly because it's true.
[18:13] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you are sitting next to me, talking vista trash, yet you are stickless...I think that is even scarrier since I think you could fit inside of one of my shoes :p
[18:14] <Hobbsee> no, my stick is just hidden....
[18:14] <Hobbsee> !vistalover is <alias> nixternal
[18:14] <nixternal> oh man
[18:14] <Hobbsee> :P
[18:14]  * ScottK-laptop tries.
[18:14] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal.
[18:15] <ScottK-laptop> !nixternal
[18:15]  * ScottK-laptop was hoping she'd aranged it to go off every time his nick was mentioned.
[18:15] <jtechidna> ha
[18:15] <nixternal> crimsun: when I come in to MD/DC in the next month or so, remind me not to let ScottK-laptop know :p
[18:15] <Hobbsee> now there's an idea...
[18:16] <seele> nixternal: youre coming to visit? whoo
[18:16] <seele> nixternal: why the hell are you coming when it's cold?
[18:16] <nixternal> ya, probably spend a few days out east
[18:16] <ScottK-laptop> seele: He's in Chicago, so it's warmer here.
[18:16] <nixternal> hahaha
[18:16] <nixternal> ScottK-laptop: actually we found out DC was colder than Chicago earlier this week
[18:16] <seele> ScottK-laptop: it was warmer there last week :)
[18:16] <nixternal> though we have over a foot of snow now
[18:16] <seele> yeah.. you win
[18:17] <ScottK-laptop> Rain here today.
[18:17] <seele> Riddell: so theyre talking about removing the fontselector defaults and requiring the user to config hinting, etc.
[18:17] <seele> because i guess there is a bug they cant find and they have users complaining about the defaults
[18:18] <seele> there is also a problem with firefox in gnome because gnome uses pango and ff uses fontselector and there is some bug they couldnt find that changes the hinting in firefox
[18:19] <Riddell> what do you mean by fontselector defaults?
[18:19] <nixternal> seele: funny you say that...with my gnome desktop at home, I have to admit, the fonts really suck...I totally love my font control in KDE 4...that is one thing I get the most compliments on at work actually...the KDE 4 fonts looking secksi
[18:19] <apachelogger> uhhh
[18:19] <seele> Riddell: i guess there are some default set for the different types of hinting and stuff?
[18:19] <seele> Riddell: this is why you should have been here :P
[18:19] <jtechidna> Qt4 font hinting is supposed to be broken :P
[18:20] <jtechidna> (and fixed for Qt 4.5 or so)
[18:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: please tell cprov that a "delete all packages" feature would be very appreciated for PPAs, makes loads of sense for updates-testing
[18:20] <tyfon> compared to windows fonts on my laptop, qt is doing excelent ;)
[18:20] <tyfon> i get rainbow effect in windows
[18:20] <apachelogger> <3 rainbow
[18:21] <jtechidna> Qt font hinting is "broken" in that it always uses full hinting no matter what the user has segt
[18:21] <jtechidna> *set
[18:21] <apachelogger> now, why would someone not want font hinting?
[18:21] <apachelogger> hm
[18:22] <Riddell> doesn't work so well for CJK
[18:22]  * apachelogger watches the build queue
[18:22] <jtechidna> some might want medium or slight hinting rather than full hinting
[18:23] <jtechidna> you know how some people are about fonts... :P
[18:23] <jtechidna> (e.g. every linux-trolling mac-fan on digg)
[18:25] <apachelogger> reminds me of that bug report where people claimed font rendering is bad in kpdf/okular because it looks different than it does in other pdf viewers, while it was just using a different font :P
[18:25] <jtechidna> hehe
[18:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: if my research is correct the neon issue I found yesterday ought to fix about every issue I can think of
[18:33] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:33] <apachelogger> essentially it makes KDE bug free ;-)
[18:33] <apachelogger> aloha _Groo_
[18:34] <_Groo_> heya apachelogger
[18:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: did you see my private msgs?
[18:36]  * apachelogger thinks we should add a bzr branch for koffice as well
[18:37] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sweet
[18:37]  * Nightrose hands apachelogger a cookie
[18:38] <Nightrose> seele: if you still have the problem i can look for the fix for you
[18:41] <ScottK-laptop> Do we have a KDE4 scanning application in Main?
[18:41] <ScottK-laptop> It seems like that ought to be supported.
[18:41] <Riddell> skanlite I think it the only one
[18:41] <Riddell> I havn't tried it and it's not in main
[18:41] <ScottK-laptop> That's Universe.  I just tried it and it works in Intrepid.
[18:42] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I think it ought to be in Main then.
[18:42] <seele> Nightrose: i didn't know what to do to fix it so i havent done anything :)
[18:45] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: remind us during the packaging session :)
[18:45] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I won't be around then.
[18:45] <Riddell> or add to agenda on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs
[18:45] <ScottK-laptop> I'll add it.
[18:47] <apachelogger> adding it to main depends on it's quality
[18:47] <apachelogger> I understand that it is a fairly young application, so I wouldn't be too sure it messures up to kooka's bugs yet ;-)
[18:47] <ScottK-laptop> It works.
[18:47] <ScottK-laptop> At least for me.
[18:47] <apachelogger> oh, then it needs to go main
[18:48] <ScottK-laptop> I had to scan today for the first time since I upgraded to Intrepid and it automagically found my scanner on the network and everything.
[18:48] <ScottK-laptop> All I had to do was click the scan button.
[18:48] <Nightrose> seele: http://groups.google.com/group/amarok-neon/browse_thread/thread/52aacf37ef7b05b8
[18:49] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: a lot better than kooka then
[18:49] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Added.
[18:49] <apachelogger> *than even
[18:49]  * apachelogger restarts X for new kde-nightly
[18:49] <ScottK-laptop> I may have the only scanner in the world it works with, but I'm happy.
[19:03] <seele> Nightrose: looks like that did something.  cool and thanks
[19:04] <Nightrose> :) yw
[19:06] <apachelogger> so
[19:06] <apachelogger> who got kde-nightly?
[19:06] <Riddell> seele did
[19:07] <seele> hmm?
[19:07] <apachelogger> seele: does your dolphin menubar say "No text"?
[19:08] <seele> yep
[19:11] <apachelogger> seele: please upgrade to latest revision and check whether it fixes this issue
[19:12] <apachelogger> closing all dolphins and reopening them should be enough
[19:16] <rgreening> seele: were you coming to the encrypt home dir session?
[19:18] <seele> rgreening: i'm required in a printing session
[19:18] <rgreening> kk. I'll make sure we are covered herw
[19:18] <rgreening> s/herw/here
[19:19] <jjesse> seele: how's the disscussions today?
[19:22] <Riddell> jjesse: docs team needed for ubiquity slideshow
[19:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: new qzion up http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qzion
[19:22] <Riddell> also qedje if you can http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qedje
[19:22] <jjesse> Riddell: i know evan pinged me bout being there this morning and i missed it, i will send him an email bout it
[19:22] <Riddell> nixternal might have turned up I'm not sure
[19:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess you pbuilt qzion?
[19:23] <jjesse> i'll ping evan bout it
[19:23]  * apachelogger is building kde4libs right now
[19:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[19:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: advocated
[19:24] <Riddell> yay!
[19:24] <apachelogger> *reviewing qedje*
[19:24] <jjesse> Riddell do you hae link to acadmey for 2009?
[19:25] <Riddell> jjesse: http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/index.php/Main_Page
[19:25] <jjesse> thanks
[19:27] <nixternal> Riddell and jjesse: I turned up and talked to evand
[19:27] <jjesse> nixternal: cool so you understand what is going on and what the docs team neesd to do?
[19:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qedje
[19:29] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, it is the same thing we have talked about for like the past 2 years concerning ubiquity
[19:29] <nixternal> my stuff is up on the screen, so I am going to close this session out for the time being...bbiaf
[19:29] <jjesse> awesome :)
[19:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: libqedje-dev should probably depend on libeet-dev too
[19:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: didn't look at the source, but probably :)
[19:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: I added an advocation, so you can upload straight to ubuntu
[19:31]  * apachelogger continues documenting changes to neon so he can start merging
[19:31] <jjesse> nixternal: we forgot to work on getting extended desktop on my mini 9, we need to do some of that magic next week or something like that
[19:32] <seele> jjesse: are you home already?
[19:32] <seele> or sitting at the airport?
[19:32] <seele> oh, noon right?
[19:34] <jjesse> sitting at iarport
[19:34] <jjesse> nothing here to do
[19:34] <jjesse> im in a relly crappy part of the airport, there is one restraunt and nothing else
[19:38] <jjesse> ok time to start boarding, talk to you later nixternal, Riddell and seele
[19:38] <Riddell> ciao
[19:54] <ScottK-laptop> Who wants to learn about writing MIR?
[19:57] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: How's the 4.1.3 bug tagging going?
[20:15] <Riddell> MIRs needed for google-gears, libmsn, qzion and qedje
[20:16] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: did you have something to add to that?
[20:16] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: skanlite
[20:16] <Riddell> oh aye
[20:19] <Riddell> ryanakca and apachelogger still have merges outstanding
[20:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: merges?
[20:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[20:22] <apachelogger> oh dear
[20:23] <apachelogger> all of them require testing in KDE 4 as well
[20:23]  * apachelogger shudders
[20:26] <nixternal> anything requiring testing makes me shudder
[20:27] <nixternal> haha, I love you Konversation people!!! <   Ramblurr!n=rmblr@amarok/developer/Ramblurr [SendQ exceeded]
[20:27]  * Ramblurr uses quassel
[20:33] <seele> Riddell: we should talk to the platform people and see if we can get the DISTRIB_ID to Kubuntu (says tedg)
[20:36] <Riddell> seele: never heard of it, do you know who to talk to specifically?
[20:40] <nixternal> Ramblurr: then Quassel has the same issue with Konversation...which I patched 2 years ago, but it got tossed out
[20:40] <Ramblurr> nixternal: what is the issue?
[20:41] <nixternal> I can't remember anymore...it has been a while since I last played with it
[20:41] <nixternal> it always happened when you would join multiple channels that had a lot of people
[20:41] <nixternal> oh I remember now why it was happening
[20:42] <nixternal> everytime you joined a channel, the client would send an auto whois to the channel
[20:42] <nixternal> if you that occurred on multiple channels which had a lot of people, the autowhois would cause a sendq flood
[20:43] <nixternal> iirc, I kind of utilized the way that Irssi was controlling their autowhois stuff and incorporated it...but one of the konvi devs wasn't game
[20:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[20:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: le pong
[20:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: where are you ? I've been searching for you all for 25 minutes :)
[20:58] <Riddell> Dia
[20:58] <Tonio_> hum oki
[20:59] <Tonio_> well time to eat now, so I'll probably wait for you outside :)
[20:59] <Riddell> ok
[20:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was at the plymouth thing..... really impressive
[21:02] <rgreening> ScottK: I'm done updating the SRU bugs
[21:06] <seele> Riddell: ted gold
[21:28] <cbr> the 4.2 beta1 has a bug imo
[21:28] <cbr> kwin goes 80% cpu
[21:48] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[21:48] <_Groo_> can anyone help me with sbuilder?
[21:49] <_Groo_> basically i want to know how to hook the pbuilder kubuntu hooks into sbuild
[21:50] <_Groo_> apachelogger: are you there? :)
[21:55] <LaserJock> anybody alive in here? :-)
[21:56] <ScottK> Sure
[21:56] <LaserJock> sorry, got distracted
[21:57] <LaserJock> I'm wondering if there are any Kubuntu people who are intersted in Education
[21:57] <LaserJock> or could become interested :-)
[21:59] <_Groo_> im alive
[22:00] <_Groo_> anyone here is using sbuild instead of pbuild?
[22:00] <LaserJock> _Groo_: I do
[22:01] <_Groo_> Hi LaserJock
[22:01] <_Groo_> LaserJock: can you explain to me how do i enable the pbuilder hooks into sbuild?
[22:02] <_Groo_> LaserJock: apachelogger told me to download from the bzr branch so i can have the missingfiles hook
[22:03] <LaserJock> _Groo_: hmm, I'm not much help there, I don't use pbuilder or sbuild hooks :/
[22:04] <_Groo_> LaserJock: how do you do to make sure you dont have missing files?
[22:05] <LaserJock> _Groo_: I'm not sure what you mean?
[22:06] <_Groo_> LaserJock: when you make a package, for instance, a new koffice2 beta 4 using the diff from beta3, how do you make sure the new package doesnt miss any files?
[22:07] <LaserJock> _Groo_: well, I check it
[22:07] <_Groo_> LaserJock: how do you check it?
[22:07] <LaserJock> I'd run dpkg -c on the .debs and compare that with the old version
[22:08] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger, rgreening, Riddell: pitti just said he'd copy 4.1.3 to intrepid-updates shortly ....
[22:08] <LaserJock> I don't run into that case all that often so I don't bother automating it
[22:09] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: thanks, I asked him earlier in the week too so I guess we just keep poking until it happens
[22:09] <_Groo_> LaserJock: but if the files are missing in the new debs (because they are new and the diff didnt contemplate them), how a simple comparison would help?
[22:09] <rgreening> YAY
[22:09] <ScottK> Did he actually say he'd do it before?
[22:10] <LaserJock> _Groo_: I would just have to figure out what *should* be there then
[22:10] <LaserJock> _Groo_: if you need to do that much I'd suggest getting ahold of apachelogger
[22:10] <LaserJock> as I don't have much help for you :-)
[22:10] <rgreening> I saw him a few minutes ago, he said "hey, your the guy with all the KDE updates... so I guess changing the status got his attention :)
[22:11] <rgreening> ScottK ^
[22:11] <_Groo_> LaserJock: well thats what the pbuild missingfiles hook is suposed to do.. but since i use dbuild i dont know how to do it
[22:11] <ScottK> ;-)
[22:12] <LaserJock> _Groo_: I'd look online and read about sbuild hooks, I know I've seen some helpful stuff before
[22:12] <_Groo_> LaserJock: ok, thanks
[22:13]  * apachelogger just fell asleep
[22:13] <apachelogger> way too awful
[22:13] <apachelogger> _Groo_: make -f debian/rules list-missing
[22:14] <apachelogger> the list-missing hook is meant to streamline the build process, but since you debuild anyway you can as well check for not installed files outside the chroot
[22:14] <_Groo_> ok, so i make the build dir, run a debuild -S, then a schroot file.dsc and finally a make -f debian/rules list-missing?
[22:14] <LaserJock> so when is 4.2 set to be released?
[22:15] <_Groo_> and if it finds any missing files, i change the debian/.install and do all over?
[22:15] <apachelogger> run debuild with -nc
[22:16] <apachelogger> that way it will not have to rebuild the whole stuff
[22:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yes i know, but im going to run schroot only in the "final" round?
[22:18] <apachelogger> that is how I would do it
[22:19] <apachelogger> to ensure dependencies are correct and stuff
[22:44] <ScottK> LaserJock: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule
[22:46] <Hobbsee> so, i've got a kde4 cd now.
[22:48] <stdin> kde rev 895766
[22:48] <stdin> apachelogger: it wasn't loaded for some reason
[22:50] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you mean you aren't using Vista?
[22:53] <LaserJock> ScottK: so like 1.5 months left. wow, it should really rock. I thought Beta 1 look pretty ready to go
[22:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: no, i don't use vista.  i've never had the misfortune of using vista.
[22:54] <Hobbsee> where's my free money?
[22:56] <ScottK> I think the best thing about Vista is that once friends/family upgrade, I can't provide tech support anymore.
[22:58] <LaserJock> :-)
[22:58] <nixternal> lol, I do the same ScottK
[22:58] <nixternal> whoa, it is Mr. Jordan himself!
[22:59]  * LaserJock bows
[22:59] <nixternal> LaserJock: have you listened to any of the community tracks?
[22:59] <LaserJock> little bit, not today though, busy gettin' graduated
[22:59] <LaserJock> I did some 'denting yesterday
[23:01] <nixternal> bbiaf...I will tell you what I covered...you will love it dude
[23:01] <LaserJock> :-)


[00:01] <hehehe> oki
[00:01]  * hehehe take a sit, takes some lsd
[00:01]  * hehehe kisses a naked girl
[00:01] <hehehe> mmmm
[02:02] <tomreyn> hehehe: try asking in #ovh
[03:37] <runelind_q> I'm running 16.04 inside lxd and I'm trying to mount an nfs mount and I keep getting operation not permitted
[03:37] <runelind_q> it works in a 14.04 VM
[03:39] <trippeh> doubt nfs is properly namespaced so to do that security it would have to be done on the host and mount it into the container fs somehow.
[03:39] <trippeh> securily even.
[03:40] <trippeh> I have not used lxc/lxd in many years though so no idea how that would look nowadays.
[03:41] <trippeh> maybe mount it on the outside, and have a bind mount into the container, which is probably supported in the configs.
[03:42] <runelind_q> ah, weak.
[03:49] <trippeh> there is some work upstream to allow namespaces to mount blockdevs and such themselfes, but it is very experimental and I just know a crapton of CVEs will fall out of it :p
[03:49] <trippeh> not seen anything on nfs yet
[08:45] <RdeH> my soundcard doesnt work with ubuntu server, its a Realtek-AC97 on a Medion pc MT7
[08:45] <RdeH> someone?
[08:46] <RdeH> its working with gdm3 but then again i can't use enlightenment instead of that
[08:47] <RdeH> doesnt complete mixersettings
[09:50] <ren0v0> Hi
[09:50] <ren0v0> I'm wanting to use MinOZW, but i can't find what package its in  http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/en/man1/MinOZW.1.html
 my soundcard doesnt work with ubuntu server, its a Realtek-AC97 on a Medion pc MT7
 someone?
 its working with gdm3 but then again i can't use enlightenment instead of that
 doesnt complete mixersettings
[12:53] <emr> Hello, i'm looking for good tutorial / article / doc about kvm clustering, any advices? thanks
[13:00] <tomreyn> most guides i've seen so far are specific to a certain cloud / cluster management software.
[13:01] <emr> tomreyn, absolutely the most good one i found is https://alteeve.com/w/2-Node_Red_Hat_KVM_Cluster_Tutorial but it using red hat
[13:01] <tomreyn> you could start by putting together a list of requirements, then check http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Management_Tools (and elsewhere, since it's not complete) for a mathing management solution and then read up on that
[13:03] <emr> thanks tomreyn
[13:03] <tomreyn> hmm yes https://alteeve.com/w/AN!Cluster_Tutorial_2 looks good if you want to do it manually
[13:03] <tomreyn> i guess much of it is probably not redhat specific.
[13:05] <emr> actually yes its really good tutorial however there are missing pieces when building it manually
[13:05] <tomreyn> be sure to take a look at at least openstack before you decide to do it manually
[13:05] <emr> like corosync.conf
[13:05] <emr> ok thanks tomreyn
[13:06] <tomreyn> welcome, good luck
[15:13] <teward> well I feel stupid today
[15:14] <teward> i finally realized why my iptables SNAT/DNAT rules for 1:1 NAT between host IPs and containers weren't working - i forgot to add accept rules for the FORWARD rules.    I feel stupid now.
[15:17] <teward> oops, double post?
[15:18] <teward> also I feel *really* freaking old...
[15:18] <teward> i have a 12.04 server I forgot about lol
[15:21] <DK2> how do i recover a mysql backup with rsnapshop?
[15:22] <DK2> is it just copy ?
[15:47] <DK2> its a innodb.. figured it out i believe
[15:48] <DK2> but that database is 2TB big, need to add another drive..
[16:02] <hikmahgumelar> hi
[16:02] <teward> hello
[17:28] <teward> this'll sound like a stupid question but is IPv6 1:1 NAT in iptables the same as IPv4 1:1 NAT?
[17:59] <Fieldy> hello, im on 16.04.2 LTS. i've installed postfix like i've done on earlier versions. i need to see the logs for postfix, however, i've searched my whole system (especially /var/log) for the usuals and things like mail.log don't even exist. googling around didn't help much. any ideas?
[18:02] <_KaszpiR_> probably protfix manual ;)
[18:03] <_KaszpiR_> *postfix
[18:03] <_KaszpiR_> manual and config file
[18:03] <patdk-lap> why postfix?
[18:03] <patdk-lap> postfix does nothing with logs
[18:03] <patdk-lap> consult your syslog program
[18:03] <_KaszpiR_> or see systemd settings
[18:03] <patdk-lap> these days, systemd is the syslog program
[18:04] <patdk-lap> that then hands it off to rsyslog
[18:04] <_KaszpiR_> well it can be
[18:04] <_KaszpiR_> ;D
[18:04] <_KaszpiR_> but you're right
[18:04] <_KaszpiR_> now systemd is more than you'd expect
[18:20] <Fieldy> journalctl -xef | grep -e postfix -e mail -e spam -e clam     is givin me what i was lookin for, just wanted to post a solution (good enough for now)
[18:38] <andol> Fieldy: If you don't want to do as much grep:ing, try adding "-u postfix" to journalctl.
[19:08] <Fieldy> andol: ah i did not know about that. thank you. almost got it all going, getting some very long spamc / spamd processing but it does complete. will figure that out later
[19:09] <Fieldy> just happy i got everything migrated from the old server.
[19:09] <Fieldy> the secondary MXs can deal with the fallout and hang onto stuff that gets goofed up :P till it's 100%
[19:11] <Fieldy> lmao i love my buddy who is hosting one of the secondary MXs... saw stuff piling up and sent me a text to check my server. gotta love eagle eye admins
[19:15] <Fieldy> ...and then i knock my ethernet adapter out of my laptop. yay
[20:35] <tasslehoff> Guides on removing an mdadm array says first to do --stop then --remove on the device, but after --stop the device is gone. Is that ok?
[20:36] <tasslehoff> Can I just remove it from /etc/fstab and /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and carry on?
[22:03] <teward> anyone pro at LXD networking in here?
[22:03] <teward> or even bridging, because I've got a weird IPv6 issue here
[22:04] <teward> trying to get a bridge to do IPv6 only, but I can't make that bridge without torching IPv4 routing, any ideas how to fix it?
[22:12] <patdk-lap> heh? doesn't take a pro
[22:12] <patdk-lap> a bridge has nothing to do with either
[22:12] <patdk-lap> so something else your doing is the issue
[22:31] <teward> patdk-lap: well...
[22:31] <teward> 1:1 IPv6 wasn't working
[22:31] <teward> probably because no IPv6 NAT heh
[22:31] <patdk-lap> nat?
[22:31] <teward> i'm better with IPv4 networking than Ipv6
[22:31] <patdk-lap> why would you nat ipv6?
[22:32] <teward> patdk-lap: do you know a way to get IPv6 routes working proper to LXD containers?  Or a better way to do it than trying to bridge interfaces (whcih doesn't work since the host's uplink won't accept multiple MACs apparently)?
[22:32] <patdk-lap> your talking about proxyarp and proxynd
[22:33] <patdk-lap> well, no need for proxyarp on ipv4 if your stuck with only a single ip
[22:33] <patdk-lap> but do you have a single ipv6? or a proper /64?
[22:35] <teward> patdk-lap: well
[22:35] <teward> I have a /64 currently.
[22:35] <teward> four IPs in that range are currently set up to be routed to the host (VPS)
[22:35] <teward> i have a single container I want to have 3 of those IPs
[22:35] <teward> hence why i'm confused
[22:35] <patdk-lap> proxynd would be the simple way
[22:35] <patdk-lap> though, I will say, I haven't done proxynd for many years
[22:36] <patdk-lap> you will setup proxynd then just assign the ipv6 address to your lxd guest
[22:36] <teward> patdk-lap: if I had my way and the hosting company providing the VPS were less stringent on MAC addresses and crap, I"d be able to just have a direct bridge, and then direct-assign things.
[22:36] <teward> ok.
[22:37] <patdk-lap> proxynd, says to respond to nd requests on behalf of xxxx (normally put the ip here)
[22:43] <patdk-lap> linux is calling it proxy_ndp
[22:43] <patdk-lap> most of this isn't relevent, but the neighbour discovery section is
[22:43] <patdk-lap> http://www.geeklab.info/2013/05/ipv6-neighbour-proxy/
[23:40] <teward> patdk-lap: hrm, that doesn't seem to work... blurgh.
[23:40] <teward> oh well
[23:40] <teward> it's not being kind :)


[09:51] <nysosym> Hi there
[09:52] <nysosym> what's better for creating high resolution icons, vektor art or pixel art?
[09:53] <nysosym> the ground question is, how is it possible to create such realistic stuff like that? http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1879/pageskw2qq0.png
[09:54] <nothlit> creating realism is all about understanding form and light
[09:54] <nothlit> and using references if needed
[09:55] <nothlit> icons can be created in any way you want as long as you can produce the sizes needed
[09:55] <nothlit> for small icons you will need to snap to the pixel grid with inkscape or optimise with a raster editor
[09:55] <nothlit> the tango page should have tips
[09:56] <nothlit> snap to half units with linework
[09:57] <nothlit> nysosym: about your ichat icon, fix the warble at the bottom and take out the upper hilight, the inner reflection already gives you depth, its more important to show the space
[09:57] <nothlit> nysosym: and enlarge the chat icon, selectively for small sizes if you wish
[09:57] <nothlit> anyways there will be significant optimisation needed if you want clearcut icons at all the standard sizes
[09:57] <nothlit> well, not significant, but it does take footwork
[09:58] <nysosym> nothlit: yes, i have optimized the icon for small every size (256, 128, 64, 48, 32, 16)
[09:59] <nysosym> i think it looks fine now at every kind of size
[10:09] <lassegul> nothlit: hi there
[10:13] <nothlit> lassegul: heyas
[10:27] <nothlit> lassegul: sup
[10:33] <lassegul> nothlit: my internet connection is troubling me. Its up and down like a jojo. I hope I can get it working by thursday. whats up with you?
[10:35] <nothlit> fluxbuntu busyness
[10:35] <nothlit> the new site is launched, its looking good http://fluxbuntu.org , troy_s did the design and corevette the javascript effects
[10:36] <nothlit> lassegul: i just made a few quick edits with some mythbuntu stuff troy is working on
[10:37] <lassegul> wow. that didnt go well in IE :)
[10:37] <nothlit> lassegul: ie7?
[10:37] <nothlit> lassegul: theres a non js version as well
[10:39] <lassegul> nothlit: its really nice.
[10:49] <nothlit> lassegul: how do you, an ISP employee have trouble with the internet lol :(
[10:49] <nothlit> that spells lots of trouble for the rest of us
[11:12] <lassegul> nothlit: lol. If you only knew... I had to yell and shout to get a technician, a colleague, to have a look at my connection before sometime after the first of november :S
[11:39] <lassegul> i just realised you can adjust the visual quality of gaussian blur in inkscape last night. That makes the program 500x faster.
[11:44] <nothlit> lol
[11:44] <nothlit> i did that for the longest time, but when i pumped it backup up to highest i found no difference :o
[11:44] <nothlit> maybe different svn version
[11:54] <mhb> hi folks
[11:55] <nothlit> heyas
[11:55] <mhb> kwwii: hmm, was there a specific reason why the meeting time is in the UTC afternoon? Ah, youll be at the UDS, right.
[12:01] <mhb> by the way, are we still staying with the Human icon theme in Hardy?
[12:06] <nysosym> nothlit: here is a completely redone version. http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4267/previewic2.png
[12:11] <nysosym> ignore that, here is the right version (with shadow)
[12:11] <nysosym> http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=previewcd8.png
[12:30] <kwwii> mhb: mainly because of UDS
[12:31] <kwwii> mhb: not sure about Human yet or not, it depends on what else we have
[12:32] <mhb> kwwii: I am tinkering a bit (as much as school allows) with Human in the last few days
[12:32] <mhb> kwwii: I would like to make it a bit complete, like exporting the SVG images into more sizes and vectorizing some of the images
[12:34] <kwwii> mhb: even if we are to change, we are a long way away from that...at this point it is only an idea which we will discuss at UDS
[12:34] <kwwii> I made a blueprint for it yesterday, still working on a wiki page to explain the idea
[12:35] <mhb> personally, I think the icons are one of the best parts of the Ubuntu artwork
[12:35] <mhb> even though their main weakness is their small number and no SVGs
[12:36] <kwwii> quite a few people think that they would fit better with gnome if they followed the tango guidelines
[12:37] <mhb> that's what the tangerine theme is for, isn't it?
[12:37] <mhb> the orange tango, as I like to call it
[12:39] <mhb> too bad the meeting is so early
[12:43] <mhb> kwwii: I think the icons are the best example of the "Human" principle in the Human theme, they appear warm and friendly, unlike many other icon sets, especially Tango, which still borrows on the "industrial" GNOME look (all my humble opinion).
[12:44] <mhb> On the other hand, I have always felt the rest of the theme (window decoration and widget style) to lack this "humanity", even though it may be very hard to incorporate the feel into a technical thing like a widget style.
[12:46] <mhb> well, I have to go, I am afraid. See you later, folks!  Where did all the people go? :) "I want my animal wallpaper!!!" "You guys are teh suck!!!" But where are they now? ;)
[14:02] <nothlit> digg effect fades fast
[14:02] <_MMA_> :)
[14:02] <nothlit> and how long can they harp on the same issue, especially when its dealt with as well as possible given the circumstances
[14:03] <_MMA_> Its always "dealt with as well as possible given the circumstances" but they go through this every release.
[14:07] <_MMA_> Another idea Im working on. http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/test2.resized.png and http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Misc/test3.resized.png
[14:14] <nothlit> _MMA_: the second one could be quite interesting once you get a sense of depth between the backdrop and the logo
[14:17] <_MMA_> nothlit: I am leaning toward something like the 2nd one but I dont know if I want to separate the logo from the background. Some people dont link obvious branding so I might just try to make it subtle.
[14:18] <_MMA_> s/link/like
[14:19] <nothlit> if you want to make it subtle make sure the linework isn't there at all, or isn't so thin compared to everything else, and fix up the perspective
[14:19] <nothlit> other than that you might want to play with the inkscape filters and get a subtle inset effect
[14:20] <_MMA_> Dropping the outline almost made it disappear so I was looking at making it thicker to better match the weight of the background.
[14:24] <lassegul> i keep focusing on the black vertical line in the middle with all the details, probably where the original photo has its focus.
[14:25] <kwwii> hi guys
[14:25] <lassegul> maybe keeping the detail/focus a little more even?
[14:25] <lassegul> hi
[14:25] <kwwii> _MMA_: my favrorite of those two is test2.resized.png
[14:26] <_MMA_> Hi lassegul, kwwii.
[14:29] <_MMA_> kwwii: Don't think it's too "brand-heavy"?
[14:30] <kwwii> _MMA_: probably but it does look better than the other version :-)
[14:30] <kwwii> _MMA_: I really liked the work you did with the head of the amp
[14:31] <kwwii> the speaker mesh alone seems to simple for a wallpaper
[14:31] <kwwii> perhaps you could move the logo down into the bottom right and not perspectively scale it
[14:31] <kwwii> so that the logo is directly on the blue part without the mesh
[14:32] <kwwii> in case anyone is interested I am working on 3 blueprints on launchpad and the corresponding wiki pages
[14:32] <kwwii> hardy-icon-theme, art-team, and hardy-theme (launchpad blueprint names)
[14:32] <_MMA_> Yeah. I did that also. Still tinkering with that ides also. :)
[14:33] <_MMA_> Thing is, since Im doing the work now, I'll be reluctant to give up the idea later. I want others to contribute but Im bored now and wanna work. :)
[14:34] <kwwii> yeah, getting contribution in so far in advance seems to be our downfall
[14:34] <kwwii> everyone wants to contribute at the last minute once they have seen the work of others
[14:34] <kwwii> but by that time the work is almost done, the ideas are solid and most of the new stuff does not fit
[14:35] <_MMA_> Thats why Im *trying* to just throw out ideas, but I like the ideas and wanna go with them. :)
[14:36] <kwwii> yeah, I know the feeling
[14:41] <nothlit> _MMA_: https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/speakersubtle.png
[14:42] <nothlit> something like that, if you use the svgs you can make the effect more sophisticated but i just threw what was on the wiki together in layers
[14:42] <nothlit> =/ darn, the perspective is off on that
[14:42] <_MMA_> nothlit: Sure. I got he idea.
[14:42] <_MMA_> *the
[14:43] <nothlit> anyways, you guys have a strong image now, i don't think make people search for the branding a bit is a bad idea at all
[14:43] <nothlit> making*
[14:44] <kwwii> actually, I would argue that the wallpaper is a poor place for explicit branding
[14:44] <_MMA_> Thing is I gotta keep the style right. While I get your idea I cant use that photo.
[14:44] <_MMA_> Its too real.
[14:47] <kwwii> and has way too much detail anyway, I think
[14:48] <_MMA_> Heah. I like the image but I gotts get close the that "photocopied" look.
[14:48] <_MMA_> s/gotts/gotta
[14:49] <kwwii> right
[14:50] <nothlit> head in whatever direction you feel is right! :)
[14:51] <_MMA_> This SVG with the Marshal head is KILLING my RAM.
[14:51] <_MMA_> I need another GB stick.
[14:52] <kwwii> that is one of the biggest problems with inkscape
[14:52] <kwwii> makes it hard to be creative when you are limited in the size of the SVG
[14:52]  * _MMA_ has forgot how to mess with perspective in Inkscape.:-/
[14:53] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yeah. Im working with a full-size 2560x1600 image.
[14:54] <nothlit> _MMA_: theres the perspective plugin as long as you're only modifying one path
[14:54] <kwwii> I am not sure that you can scale perpectively in inkscape
[14:54] <nothlit> theres a youtube video on it, this guy has inkscape howto's as part of his blog
[14:55]  * _MMA_ wishes he could be the sabdfl of GIMP/Inkscape.
[14:55] <kwwii> hrm, that plugin does not seem to work in Gutsy
[14:55] <nothlit> do you have all the python math plugins needed?
[14:56] <_MMA_> And what happened to the shadow plugin that I was once upon a time?
[14:57] <_MMA_> s/was/saw
[14:57] <kwwii> nothlit: which python math plugins?
[14:58] <_MMA_> (man Im dyslexic)
[14:58] <kwwii> ahhh python-numpy
[14:58] <nothlit> not sure, but svn has offset+ blur +combine
[14:58] <nothlit> you can create a filter for that
[14:59]  * _MMA_ wonders if python-numpy should be made a depend.
[14:59] <kwwii> great that we install a package with plugins listed in the menu which do not work without installing things per hand
[14:59] <nothlit> recommend perhaps
[14:59] <nothlit> not depends
[14:59] <_MMA_> Yeah. That's better.
[14:59] <nothlit> doesn't the error output tell you which one you need?
[15:00] <kwwii> all it says some crytpic stuff and then "numpy is not installed"
[15:00] <nothlit> _MMA_: http://ryanler.wordpress.com/2007/08/08/156/
[15:01] <nothlit> he actually doesn't do it in one filter, you can run combine instead of duplicating i think
[15:01] <kwwii> I got it to work but I cannot say I understand it
[15:01] <kwwii> you should see the perspective scaling tool in illustrator
[15:01] <kwwii> it simply rocks
[15:01] <kwwii> one reason I still use it
[15:02] <_MMA_> nothlit: Wow. Thats a nice page.
[15:04] <nothlit> _MMA_: this should help you understand whats going on http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/filters.html#AnExample
[15:05] <nothlit> _MMA_: and some of the other docs http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Filter_Effects
[15:24] <troy_s> perspective in inkscape merely requires a little understanding of a matrix.
[15:25] <kwwii> lol, that is exactly what an artist has
[15:25] <kwwii> nothing like making things more complicated to hinder the artistic process
[15:26]  * kwwii is off for a while...
[15:26] <_MMA_> Later.
[15:26] <troy_s> well... having studied art... i know a few people who do.
[15:26] <kwwii> it is my sons' 10th birthday, time to watch him open presents
[15:26] <troy_s> *sigh*
[15:27] <_MMA_> Yay \o/ 10. :)
[15:27] <troy_s> 10 is a pretty crazy age.
[15:28] <troy_s> one part kid one part teenager... its the monster from the creek.
[15:28] <troy_s> lol
[15:28] <_MMA_> :D
[15:29] <troy_s> most artist would probably just draw perspective anyways... ;)
[15:30] <kwwii> yeah, that was going to be my first suggestion
[15:31] <kwwii> my wife took him to the doctor because he got pimples..the doctor told her "well, puberty is starting" - I think she almost fainted
[15:31] <kwwii> anyway../me is out for a while
[15:33] <_MMA_> lol
[17:09] <mhb> evening folks
[17:20] <mhb> kwwii: who are the voices behind pushing Human away?
[18:19] <kwwii> mhb: nobody in particular, why do you ask?
[18:19] <mhb> kwwii: I would like to discuss it
[18:19] <mhb> and/or read about their opinion
[18:20] <nothlit> mhb: start up a discussion on the mailing list
[18:21] <nothlit> timelag will create a lot of redundancy here
[18:21] <mhb> nothlit: okay.
[18:29] <kwwii> mhb: the main reasons behind the idea are 1) it is looking somewhat stale and 2) it does not fit with the gnome and tango icons
[18:35] <_MMA_> kwwii: Can you get me a macro shot of a head/needle playing a record?
[18:36] <kwwii> _MMA_: sure, if I had a record player :p
[18:36] <_MMA_> :(
[18:36] <kwwii> _MMA_: I could head to a store tomorrow and take a pic
[18:37] <kwwii> I'll bring my gear to boston as well so if you want any photos bring stuff with you
[18:37] <_MMA_> If you have the time. needle on the right if possible.
[18:37] <_MMA_> Yeah. Im sure I could find a indie record shop with a player.
[18:37] <kwwii> if nothing else we could do it then
[18:38] <kwwii> so you want the arm coming from the left or the right?
[18:38] <_MMA_> Right.
[18:38] <kwwii> gotcha
[18:38] <kwwii> I'll see what I can do
[18:40] <_MMA_> Something like this maybe. Probably closer. http://www.ewsaunders.com/images/recordplaying.jpg
[18:40] <_MMA_> More record than arm but with the record out of focus.
[18:41] <kwwii> right, my macro lense is really good at creating a very shallow depth of field
[18:41] <_MMA_> :)
[18:42] <kwwii> I have to go downtown anyway so I'll stop by the local indie record shop and see if they'll let me take a pic
[18:42] <kwwii> pretty sure they won't have a problem with it
[18:42] <_MMA_> Naa... Not usually.
[18:42] <kwwii> I find that if you offer to give the shop a copy they are happy to help
[19:50] <mhb> kwwii: hmm, it seems you are one of the ubuntu-art-pkg. If I created a script resizing icons (similar to the one you did for Oxygen) would you merge those icons?
[19:51] <mhb> speaking of human-icon-theme, of course
[20:00] <kwwii> mhb: as long as we do not modify any of the existing icons and reduce their quality, sure
[20:03] <mhb> kwwii: no, it's just for the non-existent ones
[20:05] <kwwii> right, I thought that but just wanted to be sure I said it :-)
[20:06] <kwwii> also, we would not want to include something of obviously poor quality - some of the svgs might not render well at all sizes
[20:06] <kwwii> so you'll probably have to go through and eyeball them all
[20:07] <kwwii> mhb: btw, the plan for the new icons is not written in stone (yet) so there is also a chance that we would simply update the existing icons are such
[20:11] <mhb> mhm
[20:12] <mhb> I still kind of like the idea of a computer interface for Humans, which goes well with the basics of Ubuntu and the ubuntu philosophy and all
[20:13] <mhb> also going Tango would make us more like SLED .o)
[20:13] <mhb> we'll see about what the majority thinks
[20:15] <nothlit> no distro has domain over tango
[20:15] <mhb> no, that was a semi-joke
[20:16] <mhb> nothlit: the serious part is well described in your comment too - no distro has domain over tango, or more precisely, no distro can have an original look and feel with it
[20:21] <mhb> and whether we like it or not, we want Ubuntu to compete with other distributions, too - and having a "different" GNOME than others is a part of that
[20:37] <kwwii> mhb: well put
[20:41] <kwwii> wow, this filter effects interface is pretty nice
[20:43] <_MMA_> Is that the one nothlit was talking about?
[20:44] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah
[20:45] <kwwii> for someone who knows a bit of what they are doing it is very *effect-ive
[20:45] <kwwii> *
[20:50] <_MMA_> WTF? Why does "python-numpy" have the depends it does?
[20:50] <_MMA_> -dev packages? gcc3.4base?
[20:51] <_MMA_> 12.4mb worth of new packages.
[20:54] <_MMA_> nothlit: And "python-numpy" is already a "Recommend" of Inkscape. :)
[20:55] <nothlit> :)
[20:55] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah, I was wondering the same thing
[22:00] <nothlit> kwwii: do you know the name of the community artwork package?
[22:02] <kwwii> nothlit: nope, I have not made it yet :p
[22:02] <kwwii> I was going to take care of that tomorrow
[22:02] <nothlit> oh lol
[22:03] <kwwii> probably something like gutsy-community-wallpapers
[22:03] <nothlit> i was trying to recommend it to people who were looking for more than the default
[22:03] <kwwii> :p
[22:03] <nothlit> oh ok, thanks
[22:03] <kwwii> after I create the package it will still take a bit of time before it appears in universe
[22:03] <kwwii> but I will do that asap
[22:04] <kwwii> tomorrow is my last day of work before next week so I have to get it done by then
[22:14] <nothlit> if you haven't made the package, i have aspect ratio versions here, plus a faded edge one for 4:3 and 16:9 https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/communitytheme/gutsy/wallpapers/  if you feel the need to supply that sort of thing
[22:18] <nothlit> also a few more people have put stuff on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Gutsy (top and bottom)
[22:18] <kwwii> right, that is why I waited until Gutsy was released to make the package
[22:19] <nothlit> ahh
[22:20] <kwwii> that and the fact that I had hoped that someone would help :-)
[22:26] <nothlit> snagging developers all the way out here is hard lol
[22:33] <kwwii> the funny thing is that if you talk to developers about things they always say "sure, we would love to help" but when you really need help none are to be found
[23:10]  * kwwii is off for the night
[23:13] <_MMA_> Later


[11:28] <burning_bronx> ice knowing windows does not make you special >.>
[11:28] <irvin> AMDXP, yes that's correct
[11:28] <Seveas> AMDXP, probably
[11:28] <Stormx2> ice: Cedega is amoral but its the best thing there is for gaming.
[11:28] <ice> but i like windows
[11:28] <ice> but not free
[11:28] <AMDXP> i dont have to specify rw
[11:28] <indy> Stormx2, where is alien? i dont see it!!! Help me please
[11:28] <void^> ice: piece of advice: use windows for games, save your time
[11:28] <ice> you see free is in my price range
[11:28] <Seveas> void^, apt-get install alien :)
[11:28] <Stormx2> indy: its not in the repos? let me see
[11:28] <irvin> AMDXP, that would be chmod
[11:28] <Stormx2> !info alien
[11:28] <ubotu> alien: (install non-native packages with dpkg), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.53 (breezy), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 288 kB
[11:28] <irvin> AMDXP, sudo chmod +rw
[11:28] <Stormx2> yeah its there
[11:28] <Stormx2> ^_^
[11:28] <vir> ice even when most windows ftp clients don't even work to ftp protocol standard?
[11:29] <Stormx2> Im gonna take a bath. Cya later
[11:29] <TigerDuck> Good evening
[11:29] <ice> well im just trying to get the doom collectors to work
[11:29] <ice> nothing that complicated
[11:30] <vir> i can't believe i'm running azureus on only 198mb of ram
[11:30] <burning_bronx> vir, you would run out of ram soon enough
[11:30] <burning_bronx> azureus is a memory hog
[11:30] <AMDXP> i cant get it to work
[11:30] <AMDXP> You don't have permission to access /apache2-default/jinzora2/index.php on this server
[11:30] <burning_bronx> complete remove it and install BitTornado
[11:30] <burning_bronx> .
[11:30] <vir> i know it is burning_bronx  :P
[11:30] <vir> all java is
[11:31] <burning_bronx> then don't use it
[11:31] <burning_bronx> use bittornado
[11:31] <TigerDuck> I wonder if it's better to upgrade hoary to breezy or to freshly install breezy. Any recommendations? .... thanks
[11:31] <vir> i thought i'd try running it with xubuntu
[11:31] <burning_bronx> :O
[11:31] <vir> :P
[11:31] <void^> as long as you've got more than 128m there should be no problem with azureus
[11:31] <burning_bronx> !bittornado
[11:31] <ubotu> burning_bronx: I don't know
[11:31] <AMDXP> do I have to actually start php
[11:31] <burning_bronx> hmm
[11:31] <burning_bronx> !bittorrent
[11:31] <ubotu> well, bittorrent is at <reply> The BitTorrent FAQ is available at: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[11:31] <cmatheson> AMDXP: you probably didn't make it excecutable
[11:31] <irvin> AMDXP, sudo chmod a+rw -R
[11:31] <burning_bronx> !azureus
[11:31] <ubotu> [azureus]  a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[11:31] <coNP> vir: install RAM :)
[11:32] <nickrud> TigerDuck, is your home directory on a separate partition?
[11:32] <plagerism> How would I find out about security updates??
[11:32] <vir> coNP: can't temp comp waiting for my new cpu
[11:32] <TigerDuck> nickrud: nope
[11:32] <AMDXP> well i have all christmas break to figure it out thanks for the help though
[11:32] <Astxist> plagerism, you'd enable the repos for them in sources.list
[11:32] <plagerism> I am getting updates from security.ubuntu.com
[11:33] <vir> ice: doom collections that dos by any chance?
[11:33] <plagerism> But I want to know what they are in regards to
[11:33] <burning_bronx> x-mas break is not meant for linux studies
[11:33] <Astxist> plagerism, and the update manager would tell you automagically
[11:33] <burning_bronx> winter break is for drinking and sex
[11:33] <burning_bronx> :/
[11:33] <nickrud> TigerDuck, then you probably want to upgrade.
[11:33] <irvin> plagerism, there's a mailing list on that
[11:33] <nickrud> !tell TigerDuck about breezyupgrade
[11:33] <Astxist> plagerism, hit the description arrow in software updates
[11:33] <irvin> plagerism<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:33] <TigerDuck> thanks nickrud
[11:34] <Astxist> plagerism, that gives info on them
[11:34] <PsycOCraxY> someone who would like to help me?
[11:35] <cmatheson> !anybody
[11:35] <concept10> this Vista-gray theme in gnome is _killer_
[11:35] <ubotu> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint>
[11:35] <Astxist> Craxy, if you pick a nick and stick with it ;p
[11:35] <Craxy> :D
[11:35] <Astxist> concept10, linky?
[11:36] <Fixion> I installed ubuntu, but I can't get the sound to work.  I've gotten the sound to work under straight debian many times, but it just doesn't want to work for me now, how do you get sound to work?
[11:36] <vir> the community should get together and create some stunning themes show everyone what the community really want and maybe publish a .deb for it aswell
[11:37] <plagerism> Thank you Astxist
[11:37] <klaym> I'm considering flashing my BIOS that only accepts 136gb of my 200gb hard disk (Award mainboard, 2000). Is k3b good for making the flash cd?
[11:37] <Seveas> klaym, k3b can burn about anything...
[11:37] <concept10> Astxist, gimme a sec
[11:37] <Astxist> plagerism, np might want to look into what irvin mentioned too if you're into security :)
[11:37] <Astxist> concept10, sure
[11:38] <plagerism> and thank you irvin
[11:38] <irvin> np plagerism
[11:38] <Craxy> i have a problem when installing ubuntu, it doesent find my disks, i have tried change for another disk but it still doesent work. Somebody who has an idea of whats wrong?
[11:39] <plagerism> I am getting errors within my /var/lib/dpkg/available file
[11:39] <plagerism> how do I resolve this??
[11:39] <burning_bronx> you should all try shutdown
[11:39] <burning_bronx> it cures all problems
[11:39] <void^> Craxy: your question would be so much better if it included some information about your disks and controllers
[11:39] <cmatheson> plagerism: it would help to paste the actual error you are getting
[11:39] <coder> I have dual monitors setup w/ geforce 6600... only problem is, my monitors are backwards.
[11:39] <coder> Any help?
[11:39] <plagerism> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 74269 package `tclparser':
[11:40] <plagerism> cmatheson
[11:40] <Fixion> is there any way I can find out exactly why sound isn't working?
[11:40] <Mongoose> anyone know what GRUB error 17 is?
[11:40] <cmatheson> plagerism: hmm,, what is the command you're trying to run?
[11:40] <Astxist> coder, open up xorg.conf and change hte server layout
[11:40] <burning_bronx> Astxist, I really need a shutdown
[11:40] <burning_bronx> my brain is overheating
[11:40] <vir> irish monitors?
[11:40] <plagerism> cmatheson, anything to do with apt
[11:40] <Astxist> burning_bronx, heh bit late there?
[11:40] <burning_bronx> I am dehidrated too
[11:40] <MrProper_> coder, what do you mean backwards
[11:40] <cmatheson> plagerism: when/why did it start?
[11:40] <burning_bronx> well it's almost 1 AM
[11:40] <plagerism> cmatheson, the file seems to have gotten corrupted
[11:41] <burning_bronx> and I haven't had much sleep these days
[11:41] <MrProper_> coder, are you using twinview?
[11:41] <coder> MrProper_: the heads are reversed.  and yes
[11:41] <plagerism> cmatheson, my system may have been compromised last night
[11:41] <Seveas> burning_bronx, shall i kick you out to make sure you get some sleep? :)
[11:41] <cmatheson> plagerism: hmm, if it may have been compromised you're definitely going to want to backup/reinstall
[11:41] <MrProper_> coder, 2 seperate cards or dual headed card?
[11:41] <plagerism> cmatheson, I know
[11:41] <plagerism> Okay thank you
[11:41] <coder> dual head.  6600 gt, dual dvi
[11:41] <burning_bronx> Seveas, that would be abusing your rights ;)
[11:42] <concept10> Astxist, check out my desktop: http://elfurl.com/visit.php?id=123p
[11:42] <Seveas> only if you don't ask for it :)
[11:42] <burning_bronx> lol
[11:42] <burning_bronx> do I look like I am asking?
[11:42] <burning_bronx> I will go to sleep soon
[11:42] <MrProper_> coder, put this: Option          "TwinViewOrientation" "LeftOf" under your "Device" section
[11:42] <cafuego> Yes, you do.
[11:42] <burning_bronx> I won't hold much longer
[11:42] <indy> one question, whats the stable version? breezy?
[11:42] <cafuego> indy: Yes
[11:42] <burning_bronx> yesh indy yesh
[11:42] <cafuego> indy: also known as 5.10
[11:42] <Craxy> void^ : may i pm you?
[11:42] <rinzai-shu> indy: Breezy Badger!!!!
[11:42] <MrProper_> coder, or simply switch the monitor cables around or move the monitors hehe
[11:43] <void^> Craxy: no.
[11:43] <coder> =)
[11:43] <coder> thanks MrProper_
[11:43] <burning_bronx> Breezy stable, Dapper unstable, Groundhog non-existent
[11:44] <ggeller> trappist:  OK.  The other CD-ROM drive worked.  Thanks.
[11:44] <Craxy> okay, anyway the drive is a Maxtor, Diamondmax VL 40 5400 ROM
[11:44] <Craxy> *RPM
[11:44] <TokenBad> with breezy did the oss sound stop working?
[11:44] <Astxist> concept10, nice
[11:44] <burning_bronx> pmount /dev/bed
[11:45] <cafuego> Maxtor, aka Seagate? ;-)
[11:45] <screenresolution> can anybody tell me how to enable higher resolution?
[11:45] <Seveas> !tell screenresolution about fixres
[11:45] <screenresolution> max is 640x800
[11:45] <Delgul> *plop*
[11:45] <concept10> Astxist, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=32459
[11:45] <sureshot> hello it is me again. when i loaded ubuntu it defaulted to the generic 64 bit amd kernel should i load the k8 64 bit kerneel for better operation
[11:45] <TokenBad> I can't get oss sound to work but alsa and esd work
[11:46] <cmatheson> TokenBad: probably because esd is tying up your sound card
[11:46] <trappist> ggeller: excellent news
[11:46] <indy> ok, thank you very much
[11:46] <Craxy> the motherboard is a IAWARD, PCI PNP 686 from 1998
[11:46] <TokenBad> cmatheson, I did killall esd
[11:46] <Astxist> concept10, thanks
[11:47] <cmatheson> TokenBad: what are you trying to use OSS sound for ? and what is the error when you do it?
[11:47] <cafuego> sureshot: Depening on what you mean by "better opeation" your best bet might be to use i386 Ubuntu.
[11:47] <TokenBad> I am trying to pick it in multimedia setup..and just says failed to contruct pipeline
[11:48] <Craxy> i have a problem when installing ubuntu, it doesent find my disks, i have tried change for another disk but it still doesent work. Somebody who has an idea of whats wrong? the drive is a Maxtor, Diamondmax VL 40 5400 RPM, the motherboard is an IAWARD, PCI PNP 686 from 1998
[11:48] <sureshot> i have a 64 bit abit mother board with a 64 bit simpron 1.8 ghz process.
[11:48] <indy> thaks for all of you, you re my heros
[11:49] <cafuego> sureshot: I have an amd64 too. i386 software is far more mature and tends to work better. (If you just use the machine as desktop, you should consider it)
[11:49] <steve_laptop> ok for you laptop users with wifi wlassisant for ubuntu   - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=597441#post597441
[11:49] <burning_bronx> wow an AMD64 Sempron
[11:49] <burning_bronx> real beauty isn't she?
[11:49] <burning_bronx> ;)
[11:49] <vir> whats the best bt client available for linux?
[11:49] <sureshot> ok thanks for the advice. may install that kernel and check it out
[11:49] <burning_bronx> vir, the original bittorrent or bittornado
[11:50] <vir> ok
[11:50] <holycow> burning_bronx, actually they are quite neat, performance is smooth, and you can't really complain that $40 cpus are now 64bit
[11:50] <pozdiy> where is the systemwide .bashrc on Breezy?
[11:50] <sureshot> i am still trying to find info on gambas. it just will not run ... and place you know of. i posted in the forum but that takes time and there is no wiki
[11:50] <burning_bronx> that's what I meant
[11:50] <Seveas> pozdiy, /etc/bash.bashrc
[11:50] <burning_bronx> There was not a bit of irony in my comment
[11:50] <burning_bronx> :)
[11:50] <pozdiy> Seveas, tnx
[11:51] <ossie> can anyone point me to the nearsest place to get some support compiling new kernel???
[11:51] <cmatheson> TokenBad: i'm not sure, i would try running sudo lsof | grep dsp and see if t hat showed up anything
[11:51] <sureshot> ossie have  you tried serching the wiki site for info on that
[11:51] <burning_bronx> what's wrong with semprons?
[11:51] <ggeller> ossie: google site:ubuntulinx.org kernel build howto.
[11:51] <Craxy> so nobody has a clue about whats wrong?
[11:51] <cmatheson> ossie: what do you want to compile a new kernel for?
[11:51] <evermuse_> vir if you have a metric ass load of ram azureus is very nice for seeding several files at once
[11:52] <Seveas> metric ass load is indeed the minimum requirement...
[11:52] <holycow> burning_bronx, *high five* :)
[11:52] <SweetestSavage> Excuse me, how do I download the decoders/codecs for Totem Movie Player?
[11:52] <zoka> people help
[11:52] <ossie> I have gone thorugh that but i have got a make error , i want advice on it
[11:52] <zoka> zlib
[11:52] <Seveas> SweetestSavage, for which format?
[11:52] <zoka> I am getting error it seems my dist do not have standard lib zlib
[11:52] <cafuego> vir: prosciutto with pear is nice
[11:52] <Seveas> zoka, paste the error at the pastebin
[11:52] <SweetestSavage> Seveas - Movie formats.. mpeg/avi, the general ones
[11:52] <holycow> burning_bronx, we are building like $300 boxes for the office these days and the performance of these things is phenomenal
[11:53] <cafuego> zoka: It does. Are you compiling stuff without knowing how to?
[11:53] <ossie> make[2] : *** [fs/inode.o]  Error 1
[11:53] <burning_bronx> o_O;
[11:53] <burning_bronx> wicked
[11:53] <Craxy> Seveas do you know what is wrong?
[11:53] <ossie> im getting this
[11:53] <Seveas> SweetestSavage, gstreamer0.8-* packages or w32codecs with totem-xine
[11:53] <ossie> when making the kernel
[11:53] <burning_bronx> I want a phenomenal 300$ box
[11:53] <burning_bronx> xD
[11:53] <Seveas> burning_bronx, for the last time: stop being off-topic
[11:53] <Seveas> this is a support channel
[11:53] <SweetestSavage> Seveas, thank you
[11:53] <vir> will someone be able to give me a hand with my webcam in a sec please?
[11:53] <burning_bronx> and I support people whenever I can
[11:53] <TigerDuck> wow, just 1029 packages *leech*
[11:53] <burning_bronx> *sigh*
[11:54] <ossie> im trying to add ITE raid driver support
[11:54] <ossie> im following a tutorail
[11:54] <nuxGuru> is there a 'guru' here willing to meet me on AIM?
[11:54] <cafuego> ossie: Don't.
[11:54] <ossie> all goes wel upto the last point
[11:54] <cafuego> ossie: Use the controller in IDE mode.
[11:54] <zoka> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6034
[11:54] <Kyral> !pastebin
[11:54] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:54] <Seveas> ossie, look at kernel compile howtos on the wiki
[11:54] <ossie> how do i use it in IDE mode please :)
[11:54] <G> Hmmm where can i find want version of what was in a certain ubuntu release
[11:54] <G> (i.e like packages.debian.org)
[11:54] <cafuego> zoka: Yes, you undoubtedly need the libz1g-dev package
[11:55] <zoka> how to get it
[11:55] <ossie> i am happy if i had ide mode, but i thought i had to install the driver
[11:55] <Craxy> Seveas: i have a problem when installing ubuntu, it doesent find my disks, i have tried change for another disk but it still doesent work. Do you have an idea of whats wrong? the drive is a Maxtor, Diamondmax VL 40 5400 RPM, the motherboard is an IAWARD, PCI PNP 686 from 1998.
[11:55] <cafuego> Why are you compiling stuff?
[11:55] <Seveas> zoka, apt-get install libzlib-ruby
[11:55] <Astxist> does anyone know how to set a system wide variable?
[11:55] <ossie> cos i want to add support for my ide raid card
[11:55] <zoka> thanks
[11:56] <ossie> it shows under the device databse
[11:56] <psycose> G http://packages.ubuntu.com/  isn't it funny ?
[11:56] <Astxist> and have it for each boot no matter the user
[11:56] <ossie> sorry device manager
[11:56] <ossie> but the drives havent appeared
[11:56] <cafuego> ossie: Doesn't it just get picked up my the normal ide driver?
[11:56] <Seveas> ossie, and why do you think you need to recompile for that?
[11:56] <Seveas> can't you simply modprobe the driver....
[11:56] <ossie> cos the driver is in source format
[11:56] <Seveas> ah right
[11:56] <Aven> I allowed port 22 on my firewall, is there anything else I need to allow to allow ssh?
[11:56] <G> psycose, I didn't expect that, but oh well....
[11:56] <Seveas> you have sources for the driver
[11:56] <ossie> i wanted to include the driver in the kernel, i thought that was the only way
[11:56] <cafuego> ossie: The RAID one yes.
[11:56] <void^> very recent kernels come with the ite8212 driver
[11:56] <Seveas> then you don't need to compile the kernel
[11:57] <cafuego> ossie: That would be the proprietary one, the one you need to avoid.
[11:57] <ossie> i have the latest version
[11:57] <Seveas> just install the kernel headers and compile the module
[11:57] <Seveas> (which is not trivial, google for a good howto)
[11:57] <nuxGuru> is my internal hardware modem located at /dev/ttyS3  ?
[11:57] <cmatheson> ossie: just install the kernel-headers for whatever kernel your using and go from there
[11:57] <pinkisntwell> I tried to launch xscreensaver from the terminal and it would just sit there without giving me back the command prompt, what gives?
[11:57] <ossie> how do i compile the kernel headers???
[11:57] <cmatheson> ossie: they're headers... you don't compile them
[11:57] <rinzai-shu> nuxGuru: very likely so.
[11:57] <crimsun_> ossie: you mean install them? apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:57] <rinzai-shu> nuxGuru: try it and see :-)
[11:57] <Craxy> gaah i wont get any help from you, will I?
[11:58] <burning_bronx> this is too much for me
[11:58] <nuxGuru> dont know how tto test it
[11:58] <zoka> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6037
[11:58] <burning_bronx> night yall
[11:58] <nuxGuru> have not figured out how to access it
[11:58] <rinzai-shu> nuxGuru: install minicom and have a go at it
[11:58] <ossie> crimsun, cheers, so if i get the headers i can add support for my raid card, im a bit lost are headers compiled kernel modules???
[11:58] <ossie> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=597303
[11:58] <void^> Craxy: hm, you'd have to pastebin output of fdisk -l and dmesg.. but at any rate i don't know anything ubuntu install/setup
[11:59] <nuxGuru> is minicom in the Cd release?
[11:59] <ossie> im following this tutorial
[11:59] <void^> +about
[11:59] <Seveas> ossie, kernel headers are what you need to compile kernel modules


[02:14] <klepas> anyone awake?
[07:12] <artnay_> klepas! :o
[08:14] <artnay_> hi AndyFitz
[08:14] <AndyFitz> g'day artnay
[08:15] <artnay_> we've recently had some discussion on a meeting
[08:15] <artnay_> what GMT time would be suitable for people living in .au?
[08:15] <artnay_> (guess you can only talk for yourself but anyways)
[08:16] <AndyFitz> we are GMT+10
[08:16] <AndyFitz> unsuitable hours would be  in the  very early am
[08:20] <artnay_> umh, it's pretty challening to get the right time for all of us
[08:22] <artnay_> any suggestions? the most active artworkers seem to be from australia and europe but there's still some people from the states
[08:23] <artnay_> we should have a meeting before NYE, that's for sure
[08:25] <artnay_> is five days too short notice time?
[08:26] <artnay_> if we could just agree on a date, then post invitation to the list etc.
[09:00] <klepas> artnay_: check the last email from me to the ML
[09:00] <klepas> AndyFitz: seen it too?
[09:01] <AndyFitz> yep
[09:01] <AndyFitz> good idea. I'll be up for it
[09:01] <AndyFitz> ( I'll be away during holiday break from 24th - 2nd jan
[09:04] <artnay_> whoami: cannot find username for UID 22382
[09:05] <artnay_> ls: .: Stale NFS file handle - getpwuid() can't identify your account!
[09:05] <artnay_> hence the 404
[09:09] <artnay_> luckily I have backups on two other computers (FreeBSD fileserv at home and Gmail account :>)
[09:09] <artnay_> klepas: thanks for writing that post. i'd go for 29th
[09:12] <artnay_> what time? to be honest, it doesn't matter. it's GMT +2 in here, just give me enough tee and ciggies and I'll be awake
[09:13] <artnay_> oh, the post? here it is: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2005-December/000523.html
[09:15] <artnay_> klepas: maybe we should move the whole artwork-todo proposition into wiki
[09:15] <artnay_> well Christmas is coming, that will give some time to get wiki organized
[09:18] <artnay_> it seems that people aren't aware of things that are listed on the proposal
[09:18] <artnay_> e.g. majority of the people think that humility is still under development
[09:18] <artnay_> klepas: any plans for christmas holidays? :)
[09:21] <artnay_> klepas: the one you're hosting is quite outdated :o
[11:05] <klepas> sorry about the out-date-d-ness


[00:33] <mhall119> http://www.readfeeder.net/ woot!
[00:34] <daker> You need to improve the UI
[00:37] <mhall119> :P
[00:37] <mhall119> daker: https://launchpad.net/readfeeder
[00:37] <daker> :)
[00:38] <daker> also using nice icones will be good
[00:38] <mhall119> hey, I made those icons
[00:39] <mhall119> I'm considering using icons from http://thenounproject.com/ though, they're stylistically the same
[00:39] <daker> they are nice
[00:41] <mhall119> daker: have you seen the screenshots of readfeeder?
[00:44] <daker> no
[00:45] <mhall119> http://mhall119.com/tag/readfeeder/
[01:02] <mhall119> or you can see a recent (5 minutes ago) screenshot on http://www.readfeeder.net
[01:49] <cjohnston> howdy
[01:50] <paultag> howdy there
[01:59] <Pendulum> hiya
[01:59] <paultag> heyya Pendulum
[01:59] <paultag> Pendulum: howareya?
[02:00] <paultag> up and about yet ;) ?
[02:00] <Pendulum> in hotel \o/
[02:00] <paultag> :D
[02:00] <Pendulum> still in a fair bit of pain
[02:00] <Pendulum> but still on good pain meds
[02:00] <paultag> Pendulum: get some scotch and it'll be a good night
[02:01] <paultag> ;)
[02:01] <Pendulum> hah
[02:01] <Pendulum> my meds are far better than scotch currently
[02:01] <paultag> :)
[02:02] <cjohnston> hey Pendulum
[02:02] <paultag> cjohnston: get back to work before the missy kills us
[02:02] <cjohnston> im looking up baggage fees
[02:03] <cjohnston> like she told me to
[02:03] <paultag> on IRC, naturally :)
[02:04] <Pendulum> paultag: didn't you know IRC will tell you everything?
[02:04] <paultag> duh :)
[02:07] <Pendulum> now if only it could do neurosurgery and give me back my brain while I'm healing ;)
[02:33] <cjohnston> ok
[02:33] <cjohnston> tsa blows btw
[09:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:38] <mhall119> mornin
[11:39] <Pendulum> hiya
[11:39] <mhall119> how ya feeling Pendulum ?
[11:47] <Pendulum> continuing to improve, I think
[12:41] <daker> morning
[13:00] <mhall119> morning/afternoon daker
[15:47] <nigelb> Hello!
[15:53] <daker> yo nigelb
[15:59] <nigelb> Hey daker, how has your weekend been?
[16:04] <daker> fine :)


[10:50] <Laney> Is bos01 having a sad or something?
[12:08] <cjwatson> Laney: apparently nova-compute had segfaulted on several ppc64el compute nodes - IS has recovered it
[12:11] <Laney> cjwatson: Indeed, seems that the instances are picking up builds again, thanks
[13:39] <__marco> Good afternoon (UTC+1). I recreated a qemu package but the ppa page says always that a new version is available
[13:40] <__marco> 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.19 vs 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.20
[13:40] <__marco> the *ubuntu1.19 is the latest relased
[14:00] <cjwatson> __marco: Yes, it's currently not pocket-aware so it doesn't distinguish 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.19 in -updates from 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.20 in -proposed
[14:00] <cjwatson> I think it's still worth knowing that there's a newer version on its way though
[14:01] <cjwatson> Depends what you're doing
[14:04] <dobey> you should also use nextver~myppa1 instead of just nextver, for ppa builds, generally
[14:08] <__marco> dobey: https://launchpad.net/~marco-giusti/+archive/ubuntu/qemu I think I already do
[14:08] <__marco> 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.19vde1
[14:11] <dobey> __marco: no, that's current version plus appended string. should use 1.20~vde1 there instead (but that is still older than 1.20)
[14:11] <__marco> cjwatson: Yes, I am definitely interested in new versions. Is there a notify mechanism?
[14:12] <cjwatson> __marco: Not directly in Launchpad; the best you can do that I can think of is subscribe to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and filter.
[14:12] <__marco> dobey: I am following https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#versioning but I did not yet explored the Ubuntu packaging guide
[14:12] <cjwatson> dobey: That depends on semantics.  Neither is objectively better in all cases.
[14:13] <__marco> cjwatson: no problems. I did not aware of it
[14:13] <cjwatson> backport of 1.20 => 1.20~<something>, 1.19 plus extra patches => 1.19<something> or 1.19+<something>
[14:13] <__marco> anyway, thanks both
[14:13] <dobey> well, 1.19vde1 conflicts with the possibility of an update in ubuntu being 1.19.1 for example
[14:14] <__marco> it is ubuntu1.19
[14:14] <__marco> I don't think will be a ubuntu1.19.1 even
[14:14] <__marco> ever*
[14:16] <dobey> in this specific case perhaps not, but i'm talking about the general case
[14:26] <cjwatson> dobey: no, it doesn't
[14:26] <cjwatson> $ dpkg --compare-versions 1.19vde1 lt 1.19.1; echo $?
[14:26] <cjwatson> 0
[14:27] <cjwatson> if that were a problem then Ubuntu's "append ubuntu1 etc." versioning scheme would be broken relative to Debian in a way that it is not
[14:27] <dobey> oh
[19:28] <ricotz> hello, is it intended that one can enable support for ppc64el?
[19:28] <ricotz> ... for personal PPAs
[20:41] <Laney> ricotz: http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/ppas-for-ppc64el <- yes
[20:51] <ricotz> Laney, ah, ok
[22:18] <ki7mt> Hello, does Launchpad support PPC packages?
[22:18] <ki7mt> for PPA's
[22:18] <wgrant> ki7mt: ppc64el, but not 32-bit powerpc yet.
[22:18] <wgrant> Hopefully soon.
[22:20] <cjwatson> ki7mt: I went into some detail on http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/ppas-for-ppc64el about what the blockers are
[22:22] <ki7mt> Hi guys, ok, thanks. I had someone ask me about ppc64 package support, and to be honest, ppc is a bit out of my Wheelhouse.
[22:25] <wgrant> ki7mt: ppc64el is easy, just hit "Change details" on your PPA. Ubuntu doesn't support plain ppc64, and LP doesn't support 32-bit powerpc PPAs yet.
[22:26] <ki7mt> wgrant, Would ppc64el  work with: [ uname -r = 4.2.0-16-powerpc64-smp ] boxe, it's G5 iMac running Ubuntu-Mate I believe.
[22:26] <wgrant> ki7mt: That's 32-bit powerpc (just with a 64-bit kernel), which we don't have PPA support for yet.
[22:27] <ki7mt> wgrant, Ok, thanks for the help.
[22:30] <ki7mt> wgrant, If I enable the ppc64el under "Change Details", do I need to bump the PPA version to generate the package?
[22:32] <wgrant> ki7mt: Builds won't automatically be created. You can either upload a new version or copy the package over itself to create the new builds.
[22:33] <ki7mt> wgrant, ok, thanks.