[00:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, maybe they can be collapsed for natty + 1 and combined in an MU
[00:00] <chrisccoulson> MU?
[00:01] <micahg> Major Update (Mozilla term :))
[00:01] <chrisccoulson> oh, right ;)
[00:01] <chrisccoulson> i'm hoping by then that the extension will have gone away entirely, and it will be part of mozilla core ;)
[00:01] <chrisccoulson> that's the goal anyway
[00:01] <micahg> even better :)
[00:01] <chrisccoulson> the extension is just a means of developing and testing it really
[00:02] <robert_ancell> does anyone know where the list of packages that make up the langpacks is?
[00:03] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, not sure about that
[00:52] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, make[4]: *** No rule to make target `emapthy-indicator.o', needed by `empathy-chat'.  Stop. what does that all mean?
[00:53] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, it means empathy-chat (an application?) needs empathy-indicator.o (built from empathy-indicator.c) to build.  But it doesn't know how to build it
[00:54] <bcurtiswx> remembert i added the empathy_chat_SOURCES section, maybe it has something to do with that
[00:54] <robert_ancell> can you paste the Makefile.am?
[00:54] <bcurtiswx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/544682/
[00:55] <bcurtiswx> oh, i can get the whole makefile, but thats i think the questionable place
[00:55] <bcurtiswx> lemme know if you still want the whole thing
[00:55] <bcurtiswx> you had me add the empathy_chat_SOURCES section
[00:56] <bcurtiswx> im thinking maybe i needed an else in there?
[00:56] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, it looks like empathy-indicator.c is not there for some reason (not in the patch?)
[00:58] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, it makes a empathy-2.91.3/src/empathy-indicator-manager.c
[00:58] <bcurtiswx> ah it does make that one
[00:59] <bcurtiswx> empathy-indicator.c
[01:00] <bcurtiswx> 20_libindicate.patch
[01:04] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/544685/ end of the buildlog
[01:05] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, Check /home/bcurtis/Packages/empathy/build-area/empathy-2.91.3/src/empathy-indicator.c exists
[01:06] <bcurtiswx> it exists
[01:06] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, ^^
[01:06] <robert_ancell> hmm, that's a bit weird
[01:07] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, have you got a branch I can build from?
[01:08] <bcurtiswx> yeah, lemme push somewhere
[01:12] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, https://code.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/natty/empathy/empathy-2.91.3
[01:16] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, I just have to update my VM, will take a few minutes
[01:17] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, OMG i can't wait that long ;)  j/k I appreciate your help
[02:04] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, oh, it's a typo
[02:05] <robert_ancell> emapthy
[02:05] <bcurtiswx> LOL
[02:05] <bcurtiswx> that makes me feel great :(
[02:06] <robert_ancell> took me ages to spot too :)
[02:06] <robert_ancell> RAOF, hey, did you see that gnome-session merge comment?
[02:06] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, building again <crosses fingers>
[02:06] <RAOF> robert_ancell: No, I didn't - when was it?
[02:07] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I just reviewed your merge.  a) I don't know enough to tell what it does b) Is this important?
[02:07] <robert_ancell> https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/gnome-session/fix-bug-623700/+merge/33605
[02:07] <RAOF> Ah, yeah.  Yesterday.
[02:08] <RAOF> The comment upstream is not from an upstream developer; that's from someone who was trying to fix the Xserver bug.
[02:09] <RAOF> The gnome-session code is wrong according to the only specification of XSYNC I've been able to find.
[02:09] <RAOF> (Although not very importantly wrong - it requires millisecond timing to trigger the race)
[02:10] <robert_ancell> So, it's rare, but worth committing?  Or should be wait for upstream to accept it?
[02:10] <robert_ancell> (and should it be applied to maverick or natty?)
[02:10] <RAOF> It's certainly too rare to bother for Maverick.
[02:11] <RAOF> If we don't want a delta we could probably wait for upstream to accept it.
[02:11] <RAOF> Although it's clear that no one has actually looked at that bug :)
[02:12] <robert_ancell> It's probably more likely no-one understands the bug :)
[02:14] <RAOF> It's really pretty simple.
[02:16] <RAOF> The low→high event triggers when the counter goes from < to >= the threshold, and the high→low event triggers when the counter goes from > to <= the threshold.
[02:17] <RAOF> So if you have the same threshold for both triggers, if you get an event *exactly* on the threshold, you'll trigger the low→high one but not the high→low one.
[02:18] <RAOF> Now that I say that, I think it's reasonable to apply the patch to Natty; if a user actually hits that bug then their session will be permanently marked as idle until they let it idle for longer than the idle threshold.
[02:20] <robert_ancell> how many x events per second do you get?
[02:20] <RAOF> The practical upshot of which would be an uninterruptible screensaver for 10 minutes, I think.
[02:20] <robert_ancell> could you make a test that generates X events flat out and stops the screensaver from working?
[02:21] <RAOF> You'd need to make a test that generates an X event at exactly 60,000 msec idle time (for a 10 min screensaver timeout).
[02:22] <RAOF> On modern computers it's possible to wake up X multiple times in a msec as long as the load's not too high.
[02:22] <robert_ancell> so, if I set the idle time to 1s, then start generating events flat out after 1s or so, there would be a chance to trigger this?
[02:24] <RAOF> It doesn't matter if you generate events flat out or not; what needs to happen is that X needs to wake up to process an input event exactly on the idle time threshold (with resolution of ms).
[02:25] <RAOF> ie: for an idle time of 1s you need no input events for 999ms, then an input event at 1,000ms.
[02:25] <RAOF> (And for X to not be currently blocked processing events; it needs to be sufficiently idle to select that event in the 1,000th ms)
[02:27] <robert_ancell> and the result is your session is marked as idle from then onwards?
[02:27] <RAOF> Right.
[02:28] <RAOF> The +ve transition triggers, because idle time went from < 1,000ms to >= 1,000ms.  The -ve transition didn't trigger, because the idle time didn't go from > 1,000ms to <= 1,000 ms.
[02:28] <RAOF> So gnome-session picked up a “session is idle” event, but hasn't got a “no longer idle” trigger.
[02:29] <RAOF> If you then left your session idle for > 1,000ms and then moved the mouse, the -ve event would fire and gnome-session would notice your session is no longer idle.
[02:31] <RAOF> Does that make sense?
[02:34] <robert_ancell> yeah, I think so
[02:37] <RAOF> Ok.  I'll go have some lunch then :)
[02:42] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/544717/
[02:43] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, some sort of linking problem
[02:45]  * robert_ancell also out for lunch
[02:45] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, OK.  thanks for your help.  I have to go to bed soon.  Do you know how I can search for where for problem is, maybe actually do one of these on my own ?
[02:45] <bcurtiswx> some online references ?
[02:48] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, check for where those functions are defined, and if they're in another lib make sure thats in the LDADD
[02:48] <robert_ancell> it's a bit black magic at times
[02:48] <bcurtiswx> lots of greps and more greps with a side of greps 'eh
[02:48] <bcurtiswx> enjoy your lunch, thanks again
[02:59] <bcurtiswx> so you guys are from Australia/New Sealand ?
[02:59] <bcurtiswx> Zealand even :P
[03:00] <RAOF> .au
[03:02] <bcurtiswx> always wanted to go there... maybe one of these days.  I work with two aussies.  Bob Meyer, Phil Richards are their names
[03:11] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, they're all functions in the libindicate patch.  Where is the LDADD ?
[03:17] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, i see it's added to the makefile.am
[03:17] <robert_ancell> I think you need empathy-event-manager.[ch] also added
[03:20] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, if you don't mind me picking your brain.. how'd you come to that conclusion ?
[03:23] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, because it was using a function in empathy-event-manager.c, but it wasn't in the SOURCES list.  Thus it compiled because the header files were there, but when it came to linking the objects together it didn't link empathy-event-manager.o
[03:28] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, hmm, i still don't see how you saw the function in empathy-event-manager.c
[03:28] <robert_ancell> grep
[03:30] <bcurtiswx> i see that in empathy-indicator-manager.c
[03:32] <bcurtiswx> empathy-indicator-manager.o: In function `indicate_login_cb':
[03:32] <bcurtiswx> /home/bcurtis/Packages/empathy/build-area/empathy-2.91.3/src/empathy-indicator-manager.c:260: undefined reference to `empathy_event_manager_get_events' i verified its in that file
[03:35] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, ^^ i guess if i see the above error, you're saying grep that function, find out what file its in and make sure it's linked ?
[03:36] <robert_ancell> yup
[03:37] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, so from above, how is that empathy-event-manager.[ch]?
[03:38] <robert_ancell> empathy_event_manager_get_events is defined in empathy-event-manager.c
[03:38] <robert_ancell> and it's referenced from empathy-indicator-manager.c
[03:40] <bcurtiswx> OK maybe i added it to the wrong place, where was i adding those to.. the 20_libindicate.patch
[03:41] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, ^^
[03:42] <robert_ancell> you added empathy-indicator-manager.c, because empathy-indicator.c required it.  You also need to add empathy-event-manager.c, as the compilation shows empathy-indicator-manager.c requires it
[03:44] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, OK.  next question.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/544729/
[03:44] <bcurtiswx> this should be my last question  :)
[03:45] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, did you add it twice?
[03:45] <bcurtiswx> yes, but i thought i was supposed to
[03:45] <robert_ancell> no, you should have empathy-indicator.[ch], empathy-indicator-manager.[ch] and empathy-event-manager.[ch]
[03:46] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/544730/
[03:46] <bcurtiswx> that?
[03:47] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, you don't need empathy-event-manager.[ch] in empathy_handwritten_sources, as it's already in the list (defined further up)
[03:47] <robert_ancell> but you do need it in empathy_chat_SOURCES as it's not in that list
[03:47] <bcurtiswx> handwritten means "we" made it
[03:48] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, what is EXTRA_DIST then
[03:48] <robert_ancell> well, they're just lists and they shouldn't have duplicates
[03:49] <robert_ancell> EXTRA_DIST means "add these files into the tarball when you make a release".  It's EXTRA because a bunch of file are automaticall added (e.g. *_SOURCES)
[03:49] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, do get rid of it in extra_dists too
[03:49] <bcurtiswx> so* ?
[03:49] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, no, you don't need to touch EXTRA_DIST
[03:49] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, OK :) thx
[03:50] <robert_ancell> the EXTRA_DIST stuff there looks wrong, but it doesn't matter as we're not making a tarbacll
[03:50] <robert_ancell> tarball
[03:50] <robert_ancell> I hate autotools btw :)
[03:51] <bcurtiswx> i wouldn't know at this point about that.  i appreciate your time
[03:51] <robert_ancell> autotools is the build system
[03:51] <robert_ancell> i.e. all the Makefile.am stuff
[03:51] <bcurtiswx> OK
[03:56] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, alright.  I think I got enough to work from here.  Have a happy holidays :) good night
[03:56] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, thanks for all your work!
[03:56] <bcurtiswx> Thanks a TON!
[03:56] <bcurtiswx> for your wisdom/help
[09:02] <seb128> hey
[09:03] <mvo> hey seb128
[09:09] <seb128> hey mvo
[09:09] <seb128> how are you?
[09:11] <mvo> seb128: good, all white around me when I look out of my window
[09:12] <seb128> mvo, seems here
[09:13] <seb128> though I can't open the shutter
[09:13] <seb128> it's stucked due to snow and ice
[09:13] <seb128> so I can't really look outside from my desk ;-)
[09:13] <mvo> haha
[09:19] <seb128> mvo, I will have a update-notifier hack for you if you want
[09:19] <seb128> mvo, it makes it report only user bugs if there is no notification area container
[09:19] <seb128> it's a 2 liners
[09:19] <seb128> so we can get unity crashes reported at least
[09:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey
[09:23] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[09:23] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[09:23] <seb128> under the snow
[09:23] <seb128> how are you?
[09:24] <mvo> seb128: sounds good, thanks
[09:24] <Zdra> seb128, we backported gtk3 package from natty to maverick in our PPA, and I get that build error: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60741661/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.gtk%2B3.0_2.91.6-0ubuntu1~ppa10.10%2B1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> i'm not too bad thanks. you have snow?
[09:24] <Zdra> see the message at the end
[09:24] <Zdra> seb128, any idea why we get that and it works on natty?
[09:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, lot of it
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i think a lot of people here will see snow today, but it always misses where i live (or we only ever get a light dusting of snow)
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> i want some proper snow so i can go and build a snowman :)
[09:29] <seb128> Zdra, seems a compiler difference
[09:29] <seb128> still "/build/buildd/gtk+3.0-2.91.6/modules/input/gtkimcontextxim.c:1760: warning: implicit declaration of function 'gtk_widget_get_style'" in natty
[09:29] <seb128> so ti's a GTK upstream bug
[09:29] <seb128> it's just that the natty builder doesn't stop on it
[09:29] <seb128> they stop the build usually because those lead to crash issues on 64 bits arch
[09:31] <Zdra> seb128, hm... I suspect natty package to be horribly broken then
[09:31] <Zdra> seb128, becausae that function does not exist
[09:31] <Zdra> seb128, if you check build log above, you'll see
[09:31] <Zdra> build/buildd/gtk+3.0-2.91.6/modules/input/gtkimcontextxim.c:1760: warning: implicit declaration of function 'gtk_widget_get_style'
[09:31] <Zdra> Function `gtk_widget_get_style' implicitly converted to pointer at /build/buildd/gtk+3.0-2.91.6/modules/input/gtkimcontextxim.c:1760
[09:31] <seb128> Zdra, those warning are mostly in tests though
[09:32] <seb128> well upstream issue in any case
[09:32] <Zdra> right
[09:32] <Zdra> ok
[09:32] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - oh, it's just started snowing here ;)
[09:32] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you can still see outside at least :p
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> we're meant to be going to visit family in essex tomorrow, but the weather forecast is pretty bad
[09:33] <seb128> Zdra, gtk_widget_get_style is in gtkwidget.c
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> i think we might skip that, i don't particularly want to be driving over 100 miles in the snow ;)
[09:33] <seb128> seems just be an include issue
[09:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, driving in snow is no fun
[09:34] <Zdra> seb128, not if you build with GTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> njpatel, thanks for merging my unity patch :)
[10:22] <seb128> mvo, you have weird coding style :p
[10:23] <seb128> that update-notifier code is indented using 3 spaces
[10:23] <mvo> seb128: heh :) its *old*
[10:24] <seb128> lol
[10:24] <seb128> like you? ;-)
[10:24]  * seb128 runs
[10:24] <seb128> sorry ;-)
[10:33] <mvo> seb128: *pfff*
[10:34] <seb128> mvo, yeah, I need holidays :p
[10:35] <mvo> me too!
[10:35]  * mvo hugs seb128 and makes some more tea
[10:35]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[11:46] <chrisccoulson> whoop: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619899 :)
[11:46] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 619899 in Widget: Gtk "Support the panel based menubar in Unity" [Enhancement,New]
[13:44] <seb128> mvo, hey
[13:49] <nessita> hello everyone
[13:52] <mvo> hey seb128
[13:53] <seb128> hey nessita
[13:54] <mvo> hey nessita
[13:54] <nessita> seb128: hey! would you be able to sponsor my uploads?
[13:54] <mvo> seb128: thanks for your MP
[13:54] <nessita> hey mvo, how are you?
[13:54] <mvo> good, thanks :) how are you?
[13:55] <nessita> mvo: pretty good, suffering some hot weather but happy
[13:56] <mvo> hehehe, its -5°C here and snowing like crazy
[13:56] <nessita> hehe
[13:57] <seb128> nessita, sure can but a bit later, sorry but unity is borked in natty and I need to deal with that first
[13:57] <seb128> mvo, I wanted to ping you about that, seems you already noticed ;-)
[13:57] <seb128> mvo, can we get an upload with it maybe today?
[13:57] <nessita> seb128: sure, thanks!
[14:02] <seb128> njpatel,
[14:02] <seb128> #1  0x0014c9c4 in g_source_unref_internal (source=0x9b8eb40, context=0x8000,
[14:02] <seb128>     have_lock=0) at /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.27.4/glib/gmain.c:1667
[14:02] <seb128> #2  0x00c19760 in Glib::Source::unreference (this=0x9c11cd0) at main.cc:765
[14:02] <seb128> #3  0x0807022e in PrivateScreen::~PrivateScreen() ()
[14:02] <seb128> #4  0x080704d2 in PrivateScreen::~PrivateScreen() ()
[14:02] <seb128> #5  0x0806f0a8 in CompScreen::~CompScreen() ()
[14:02] <seb128> njpatel, that's the compiz crash in unity
[14:02] <njpatel> oh wow
[14:02] <njpatel> will probably need same for that but I can try and take a look
[14:02] <seb128> njpatel, ok, deal with other things you have to do and roll the new tarball
[14:02] <kenvandine> hey seb128, could you cover the release meeting?  my kids are on a 2 hour delay for school for weather, and i will have to drive them
[14:02] <seb128> then we can talk about the crash
[14:03] <seb128> kenvandine, today is shapping to be crazy anyway so why not
[14:03] <kenvandine> hehe
[14:03] <seb128> ;-)
[14:03] <kenvandine> sorry... thx
[14:03] <dpm> hi all, on the next OO.o upload, could someone please take care of bug 644164 and disable translation template generation? We're not using the translations for now, and they are cluttering the translations imports queue and delaying the imports of other translations. If someone could have a look at it, that'd be awesome, thanks!
[14:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 644164 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Please disable translations template generation in OO.o (affects: 1) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/644164
[14:03] <seb128> kenvandine, no worry I'm going to be around late anyway
[14:03] <kenvandine> had some snow yesterday
[14:03] <seb128> kenvandine, I've still the unity update to work on and then to figure why compiz is crashing
[14:03] <kenvandine> which isn't that common here, and everything shuts down
[14:04] <seb128> we have some as well there
[14:04] <seb128> some 20 cm at least
[14:04] <kenvandine> wow
[14:05] <seb128> ;-)
[14:05] <kenvandine> we had like half an inch
[14:05] <seb128> we are used to it there, they are quite efficient to salt and clean the roads
[14:05] <kenvandine> wimps here... nobody can drive in it and the state isn't well equipped to treat the roads, etc
[14:05] <seb128> you should keep the kids at home ;-)
[14:06] <Amaranth> good morning
[14:06] <seb128> but good luck driving if you drive anyway ;-)
[14:06] <seb128> hey Amaranth
[14:06] <kenvandine> last day of school before xmas... get them out of the house!
[14:06] <seb128> hehe
[14:06] <kenvandine> the roads are fine
[14:06] <kenvandine> the school is just too conservative
[14:06] <seb128> ok
[14:06] <seb128> don't worry about the meeting
[14:06] <seb128> I was planning to be around anyway
[14:06] <kenvandine> thx
[14:07] <seb128> so I can as well be the official representative
[14:07] <kenvandine> pitti did the wiki page and all
[14:07] <Amaranth> kenvandine: wow, kids here go monday and tuesday next week too
[14:07] <seb128> perfect
[14:30] <cyphermox> dpm, seb128, I can look at the translation template generation for oo.o
[14:31] <seb128> ?
[14:31] <seb128> was there a question about that?
[14:31] <cyphermox> yeah, dpm mentioned bug 644164
[14:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 644164 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Please disable translations template generation in OO.o (affects: 1) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/644164
[14:31] <seb128> if you want to you are welcome
[14:32] <seb128> not sure we want to do an upload only for that though
[14:32] <cyphermox> no, you're right
[14:32] <cyphermox> but just making sure it's done already for next time there is an upload
[14:33] <cyphermox> seb128, fyi, I'm suspecting there's an issue in libchamplain with whatever it uses to display maps, because I can see here they get downloaded when I run emerillon, but never drawn
[14:36] <seb128> cyphermox, ok, don't bother much with that, if it builds upload, someone can debug that issue later on
[14:36] <cyphermox> great
[14:36] <seb128> new glade 3.7.2 if someone wants to do the update
[14:36] <cyphermox> afaict, it builds and works fine, and it's not like it wasn't already broken in the same way
[14:37] <cyphermox> seb128, I'll get the merge request ready for emerillon and test it builds fine on debian exp and natty, then I can tackle glade.
[14:38] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[14:38] <cyphermox> or actually, the other way around sounds better ;)
[14:39] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, fwiw, the nm-indicator has been working perfectly for me
[14:39] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[14:39] <rickspencer3> hi seb128
[14:40] <cyphermox> rickspencer3, great, thanks for the news. I'll still have some more stuff to fix in it for memory usage... what about the lack of signal strength icons for available wifi networks? ;)
[14:41] <rickspencer3> that would be nice to have
[14:44] <cyphermox> heheh
[14:44] <mterry> seb128, can you give https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/0.1.45 builds a kick in the pants?  Seems to be a temporary blockage during the great rebuild yesterday
[14:44] <seb128> mterry, ok, I fixed the python issue for sure
[14:44] <seb128> not sure what's going on with mono
[14:44] <seb128> let's see what retry does
[14:45] <seb128> mterry, can you upload your nautilus-share work btw?
[14:45] <seb128> mterry, the patch to clean libgnomeui use
[14:45] <mterry> seb128, I had some mono upgrade issues yesterday, but it was fixed today
[14:45] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: thanks for fixing evo!
[14:45] <mterry> seb128, oh, sure...  Can dig that out
[14:45] <mterry> seb128, I can look at new glade too
[14:45] <seb128> mterry, cyphermox said he would do glade
[14:45] <mterry> oh missed that
[14:45] <cyphermox> mdeslaur, works better now?
[14:45] <seb128> so talk with him ;-)
[14:46] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: yep, calendar now works
[14:46] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: still have the weird junk folder read issue though
[14:46] <cyphermox> yeah, next step :)
[14:46] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: did you manage to reproduce that one? I can try in a pristine VM
[14:46] <cyphermox> yup, I can
[14:46] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: ah, cool
[14:47] <cyphermox> I also know roughly where that code is from looking at it before, so I'll try to debug it
[14:47] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: sweet, thanks
[14:47] <cyphermox> mterry, take glade if you want, I'll look at evo ;)
[14:48] <seb128> mterry, if you want to pick on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/687701
[14:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 687701 in bluez (Ubuntu) "Update to 4.81 and merge with Debian experimental (affects: 1) (heat: 437)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[14:48] <seb128> that could be nice
[14:48] <mterry> cyphermox, ok
[14:48] <seb128> seems robert_ancell got stucked with it
[14:49] <seb128> mterry, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60799239/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.launchpad-integration_0.1.45_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:49] <seb128> mono still unhappy
[14:49] <seb128> we need someone with a pbuilder to try install it to see the issue
[14:49] <mterry> seb128, hrm, OK
[14:49] <mterry> seb128, I can look
[14:49] <seb128> thanks
[14:54] <cyphermox> mdeslaur, I guess I'll do for evo as for e-d-s and backport the fixes from git (as I was about to do anyway) and at the same time debug the spam / read all bug
[14:54] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: nice
[15:25] <mterry> seb128, I built launchpad-integration just fine in an amd64 chroot...
[15:46] <seb128> mterry, weird, do you have an universe source?
[15:46] <seb128> could be a bin not promoted
[15:46] <Laney> mterry: we were going to do both of those changes
[15:46] <Laney> infact I already did fix gkeyfile-sharp in git
[15:46] <Laney> and we were going to fix banshee with a 1.9.1 upload to experimental
[15:47] <Laney> but thanks ;)
[15:47] <mterry> seb128, ah yes!  it was in my universe chroot.  I'll try one in just main
[15:47]  * mterry is silly
[15:47] <mterry> Laney, ah, ok, good.  :)
[15:48] <Laney> it would be nice if you could file a /debian/ bug about libkarma though
[16:00] <cyphermox> oh, glade-3 3.7.2 is hot.
[16:01] <cyphermox> mvo, glade 3.7.2 doesn't seem to crash when I try to work in synaptic's window_main.ui :D
[16:01] <mvo> ha!
[16:01] <mvo> nice :)
[16:02] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, like the tabbed document windows?
[16:02] <rickspencer3> (for Glade)
[16:03] <cyphermox> rickspencer3, tabbed document windows?
[16:03] <rickspencer3> in Glade
[16:03] <rickspencer3> each project gets a tab  now, instead of pulling down the Project menu
[16:03] <cyphermox> right
[16:04] <cyphermox> yeah, but I'm just happy it doesn't crash when trying to edit synaptic's main window ui def :)
[16:04] <cyphermox> or actually, when you save the settings
[16:39] <rickspencer3> I love how evo sends multiple copies of each of my emails
[16:39] <rickspencer3> at least I don't have to worry about people *not* getting my messages
[16:45] <dpm> hi njpatel. Quick question: I see that the translation templates in Launchpad for unity, unity-place-applications and unity-place-files have not changed since maverick (I mean e.g. those in the list at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+lang/ca). Have the texts not changed at all, or is it simply that the translation templates have not been updated? I'd like to make a call for translation contributions to Unity, but I want to make sure e
[16:45] <dpm> verything's set up before that
[16:45] <njpatel> dpm, the -place-files and -place-apps haven't really changed
[16:45] <njpatel> dpm, unity has changed (we haven't got all the strings yet), it probably just needs updating
[16:45] <njpatel> dpm, bbiab
[16:46] <dpm> ok, thanks
[16:46] <mpt> mvo, hi, did you ever pick up the pt_BR translation of USC that Sergio Cipolla sent us?
[16:47] <seb128> njpatel, help!
[16:48] <seb128> njpatel, the unity install is b0rked
[16:49] <seb128> njpatel_, there?
[16:51] <seb128> njpatel_, I've issues with the unity update
[16:51] <mvo> mpt: yeah, I have a mail from him, but iirc it was for 2.0 (based on debian)
[16:52] <mpt> oh, I didn't realize that
[16:52] <njpatel> seb128, hey
[16:52] <seb128> njpatel, hello
[16:52] <seb128> help me ;-)
[16:52] <mpt> msgid "Install - Free"
[16:52] <mpt> so it is
[16:52] <mvo> mpt: I need to double check, but iirc that was the reason why I did not applied it to trunk
[16:52] <njpatel> seb128, what's up dude? :)
[16:52] <mvo> mpt: aha, thanks :) maybe he wants to update it still?
[16:52] <njpatel> did I make a boo boo?
[16:53] <mpt> mvo, maybe. He can just do that on Launchpad, right?
[16:53] <mvo> yeah
[16:53] <mvo> did he mail you?
[16:53] <seb128> njpatel, unity does its make install in $(destdi)$(curdir)...
[16:53] <Amaranth> *facepalm*
[16:54] <seb128> not sure why
[16:54] <seb128> njpatel, like I get the files in debian/tmp/home/user/build/unity/...
[16:54] <seb128> rather than having them in debian/tmp/usr/share
[16:54] <njpatel> hmm
[16:54] <njpatel> seb128, is this the unity image file?
[16:54] <seb128> image file?
[16:54] <njpatel> or are they all going into the wrong place ?
[16:55] <seb128> libunityshell.so
[16:55] <seb128> is going there
[16:55] <Amaranth> the compiz plugin
[16:55]  * Amaranth hides
[16:55] <cyphermox> seb128, glade3 3.7.2: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/glade-3/3.7.2-0ubuntu1/+merge/44064
[16:55] <njpatel> seb128, hmm, nothing has changed.... is the packaging setting the right cmake options?
[16:55] <seb128> chrisccoulson, mterry: ^ could you review and sponsor?
[16:56] <seb128> njpatel, the current version fails the same way, so it's something on my system, great :-(
[16:56] <seb128> or in compiz
[16:56] <seb128> njpatel, do you know where it gets the compiz path from?
[16:56] <Amaranth> Time to poke smsplillaz, he wrote the compiz build system
[16:58] <cyphermox> bbiab, lunch and some errands.
[16:58] <njpatel> seb128, oh, yeah, there is some findCompiz.cmake or something
[16:59] <njpatel> seb128, I'm not sure if it's magic or not, though....
[16:59] <njpatel> i've never tried to build unity locally
[16:59] <Amaranth> seb128: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/annotate/head%3A/CMakeLists.txt#L86
[17:00] <Amaranth> That's where it talks to the bits smsplillaz wrote, which is in /usr/share/compiz/cmake/CompizPlugin.cmake
[17:01] <seb128> I'm not nfc about cmake
[17:01] <Amaranth> Yeah, I hear you there
[17:01] <Amaranth> It's just as magic as most autotools stuff is to me
[17:03] <Amaranth> seb128: http://git.compiz.org/compiz/core/tree/cmake/CompizPlugin.cmake#n45 looks relevant
[17:04] <seb128>         dh_auto_configure -- -DCOMPIZ_BUILD_WITH_RPATH=FALSE -DCOMPIZ_PACKAGING_ENABLED=TRUE -DCOMPIZ_PLUGIN_INSTALL_TYPE=package
[17:04] <seb128> is what unity does
[17:04] <Amaranth> well dang
[17:05] <seb128>     set (prefix ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}                   CACHE PATH "prefix")
[17:05] <njpatel> seb128, is this in pbuilder or bzr bd?
[17:05] <seb128> njpatel, bzr bd or debuild in an unpackaged dir
[17:05] <njpatel> what happens in pbuilder?
[17:05] <seb128> I don't use pbuilder
[17:05] <seb128> I don't really fancy setting on up now
[17:05] <seb128> I can upload to a ppa though
[17:06] <Amaranth> seb128: check your environment, perhaps you have an override for one of those
[17:06] <njpatel> yeah, that's a good enough test
[17:06] <seb128> Amaranth, I doubt
[17:06] <Amaranth> seb128: or BUILD_GLOBAL
[17:06] <seb128> $ env | grep -i compiz
[17:06] <seb128> $
[17:07] <seb128> njpatel, ok, second question, where is the list of requirements in cmake world?
[17:07] <seb128> njpatel, like where do you say you need nux 0.9.12
[17:07] <seb128> like what do I diff to see if the build-depends need to be updated
[17:08] <njpatel> seb128, they are scattered in evey CMakeLists.txt
[17:08] <Sarvatt> CMakeLists.txt?
[17:08] <seb128> njpatel, so you don't need the new nux?
[17:08] <seb128> or you just didn't update the requirements?
[17:08] <njpatel> seb128, I've tried to keep it sane by declaring UNITY_PLUGIN_DEPS in the main one, but it's not always used
[17:09] <njpatel> seb128, didn't update requirements, as I don't know how to ask for a specific version yet
[17:09] <njpatel> seb128, I'll check
[17:09] <seb128> njpatel, don't bother, just let me know what I need to update
[17:09] <seb128> just the new nux I guess
[17:09] <seb128> new dee as well?
[17:10] <njpatel> seb128, new dee and nux
[17:12] <seb128> ups
[17:13] <seb128> njpatel, I've uploaded to the ppa let's see
[17:16] <seb128> Amaranth, is there a config.log equivalent for cmake?
[17:16]  * Amaranth tries to remember what config.log does
[17:17] <Amaranth> There is CMakeCache.txt
[17:17] <seb128> it lists the values of the variable
[17:17] <seb128> like $prefix and others
[17:17] <Amaranth> yeah, that'd probably be CMakeCache.txt
[17:20] <seb128> the ppa hates me, 7 hours before building
[17:20] <Amaranth> eep
[17:23] <seb128> ok, build got rescored, great
[17:23] <seb128> njpatel, do you still plan to be around for a bit?
[17:24] <njpatel> seb128, yep, will be logged on, even if moving around
[17:24]  * njpatel needs to tidy his room
[17:36] <rickspencer3> seb128, so I wrote a plugin that adds a menu item to gedit
[17:36] <rickspencer3> I can't help noticing that it's not there :/
[17:36] <seb128> seems your code is buggy ;-)
[17:36] <seb128> njpatel, ok, new unity running
[17:37] <njpatel> oh sweet
[17:37] <seb128> dnd in the launcher is neat
[17:37] <rickspencer3> njpatel, I just dist-ugraded too, look nice
[17:37] <seb128> the "no menu displayed" is weird
[17:38] <seb128> rickspencer3, you don't have the new unity yet, it's just on my disk
[17:38] <seb128> or do you use the daily ppa?
[17:38] <njpatel> seb128, yeah, I think the menubar stuff will get tweaked
[17:38] <njpatel> this wouldn't have landed in daily yet
[17:38] <njpatel> especially as nux wasn't ready
[17:38] <seb128> ok
[17:38] <seb128> so the ppa build failed
[17:39] <njpatel> aawww :(
[17:39] <seb128> but not because of that
[17:39] <njpatel> yay :)
[17:39] <njpatel> ;)
[17:39] <seb128> so I still don't know if that's specific to my box
[17:39] <rickspencer3> seb128, I just said I dist-upgraded
[17:39] <seb128> I workarounded the .install to move things at the right place there
[17:39] <rickspencer3> I'm not crazy enough to run that daily crack
[17:39] <seb128> ;-)
[17:39] <njpatel> rickspencer3, oi! :)
[17:39] <njpatel> it's not crack when it's awesome :)
[17:39] <rickspencer3> hehe
[17:40] <njpatel> rickspencer3, alt+d and alt+h work in gedit, ted fixed it :)
[17:40]  * njpatel didn't realise
[17:41] <rickspencer3> sweet!
[17:41] <rickspencer3> and arrowing goes from application menus over to indicators
[17:41] <rickspencer3> interesting
[17:41] <njpatel> yep
[17:41] <njpatel> all one big piece
[17:42] <njpatel> oh wow
[17:42] <rickspencer3> that's really easy to use
[17:42] <njpatel> found an interesting bug
[17:42] <njpatel> oh wait, it's not a bug
[17:42] <njpatel> well it is, bug I found it in the wrong place
[17:42]  * njpatel needs sleep
[17:43] <rickspencer3> njpatel, thank you for giving me back my alt keys
[17:43] <njpatel> oh, whats the industry standard way to open the first menu?
[17:43] <njpatel> rickspencer3, np, but they are only on loan
[17:43] <rickspencer3> along with "launch in new window" i can really rock again
[17:43] <rickspencer3> bastards!
[17:43] <rickspencer3> do I have to put in a credit card number to keep them working?
[17:43] <njpatel> It's because we know better
[17:43] <njpatel> Yes, CC will do fine, thanks
[17:44] <seb128> njpatel, compiz crash when I run ccsm now
[17:44] <njpatel> seb128, urgh, where abouts does it crash?
[17:46] <seb128> #0  0x00f5ef8d in sigc::signal_base::impl() const ()
[17:46] <seb128>    from /usr/lib/libsigc-2.0.so.0
[17:46] <seb128> #1  0x00f5f475 in sigc::signal_base::connect(sigc::slot_base const&) ()
[17:46] <seb128>    from /usr/lib/libsigc-2.0.so.0
[17:46] <seb128> #2  0x02505a74 in UnityScreen::UnityScreen(CompScreen*) ()
[17:46] <seb128>    from /usr/lib/compiz/libunityshell.so
[17:46] <seb128> #3  0x02508224 in CompPlugin::VTableForScreenAndWindow<UnityScreen, UnityWindow>::initScreen(CompScreen*) () from /usr/lib/compiz/libunityshell.so
[17:46] <seb128> njpatel, ^
[17:47] <njpatel> er
[17:47] <njpatel> is there a mismatch?
[17:47] <seb128> between?
[17:47] <njpatel> I guess there can't be
[17:47] <njpatel> compiz and unity
[17:48] <seb128> well I'm uptodate on natty for both
[17:48] <njpatel> yeah, as am I
[17:48] <njpatel> seb128, does it keep happening?
[17:48] <seb128> njpatel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/544959/
[17:49] <seb128> njpatel, yes, 3 times in a row
[17:49] <njpatel> DBO, <seb128> njpatel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/544959/
[17:49] <njpatel> DBO, this is with compiz in natty and unity release packages
[17:50] <njpatel> seb128, are you on amd 64? can you share the unity .debs?
[17:50] <DBO> who got that trace?
[17:50] <DBO> seb128, can you install the dbg packages...
[17:50] <njpatel> seb, he's testing the unity release packages
[17:50] <seb128> njpatel, no, i386
[17:52] <njpatel> seb128, okay, so trace with debuggin symbols if possible, please
[17:53] <seb128> DBO, njpatel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/544963/
[17:53] <seb128> let me install the compiz ones as well
[17:53] <njpatel> interesting
[17:54] <njpatel> wt->RedrawRequested.connect (sigc::mem_fun (this, &UnityScreen::onRedrawRequested));
[17:54] <DBO> thats what is crashing?
[17:55] <njpatel> that's the line that does the .connect and causes the crash
[17:55] <njpatel> seb128, sigc++ dbg too, please
[17:56] <DBO> wt must be null...
[17:57] <njpatel> so CreateFromForeignWindow failed?
[17:57] <njpatel> that's no good
[17:57] <DBO> add a check I guess
[17:58] <njpatel> lets see the full trace
[17:58] <seb128> DBO, njpatel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/544965/
[18:00] <njpatel> seb128, hmm, possible to get one last one with sigc dbg?
[18:01] <njpatel> seb128, I also have a fully updated system and I'm not sure why this isn't happening here :/
[18:01] <seb128> sure, I'm stupid I install the wrong dbg one
[18:01] <Amaranth> DBO, njpatel: smspillaz said there was a problem with unloading the unityshell plugin and loading it again
[18:02] <DBO> yeah I believe it
[18:02] <Amaranth> Which unfortunately happens almost every time you change anything in ccsm (and probably when you open it too)
[18:02] <njpatel> seb128, is this happening through ccsm?
[18:02] <njpatel> seb128, or compiz --replace?
[18:02] <seb128> njpatel, run unity
[18:02] <seb128> run ccsm
[18:02] <seb128> unity crashes
[18:02] <Amaranth> No no, I mean unload/reload the plugin, not all of compiz
[18:02] <seb128> I was trying to see if the ccsm icon is working
[18:02] <Amaranth> Which is what seb128 is seeing
[18:02] <njpatel> seb128, not here :/
[18:02] <seb128> njpatel, I've libsgc-dbg
[18:02] <seb128> the dbg must be buggy
[18:02] <njpatel> hold up
[18:02] <njpatel> hah
[18:03]  * DBO rebuilds nux
[18:04] <seb128> I get lot of
[18:04] <seb128> ** (<unknown>:11696): CRITICAL **: bamf_application_get_desktop_file: assertion `BAMF_IS_APPLICATION (application)' failed
[18:04] <seb128> (<unknown>:11696): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from `BamfWindow' to `BamfApplication
[18:04] <seb128> on the unity stdout,err as well
[18:04] <seb128> but I guess that's a different issue
[18:04] <njpatel> seb128, it should be something like libsigc++2.0-dbg, no?
[18:04] <DBO> seb128, thats the panel service
[18:04] <DBO> i dont know what njpatel is doing
[18:04] <seb128> njpatel, I installed libsigc++-2.0-0c2a-dbgsym
[18:05] <njpatel> DBO, it's not me you tart, it's the indicators!
[18:05] <DBO> njpatel, its you
[18:05] <njpatel> seb128, yeah, i think that's for a different thing
[18:05] <njpatel> DBO, i don't remember using bamf in the service....but honestly I could be wrong
[18:05] <seb128> #0  0x00f5ef8d in sigc::signal_base::impl() const ()
[18:05] <seb128>    from /usr/lib/libsigc-2.0.so.0
[18:05] <seb128> $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/libsigc-2.0.so.0
[18:05] <seb128> libsigc++-2.0-0c2a: /usr/lib/libsigc-2.0.so.0
[18:05] <seb128> libsigc++-2.0-0c2a-dbsym
[18:06] <seb128> njpatel, not sure why it's buggy :-(
[18:08] <njpatel> seb128, sorry, I'm stumped
[18:08] <seb128> njpatel, I'm rebuilding libsigc in case
[18:09] <njpatel> seb128, if it runs normally, any chance of letting this one slide? :)
[18:09] <Amaranth> pretty sure that's not a new bug anyway
[18:09] <seb128> njpatel, oh, I didn't mean that as a blocker for the update
[18:09] <njpatel> DBO, should we be initialising at all when loaded by ccsm? is there no way to detect that it's ccsm so ignore it?
[18:09] <Amaranth> smspillaz said the crash he saw had something to do with signals and reloading the unityshell plugin
[18:09] <seb128> njpatel, I was just pointing what I get while testing
[18:09] <njpatel> Amaranth, heh, right
[18:10] <njpatel> yeah
[18:10] <njpatel> I will take a look when my brain works
[18:10] <seb128> Amaranth, it was not happening before today though
[18:10] <Amaranth> Ideally compiz wouldn't be unloading every plugin all the time like that but you'd have to rewrite the function wrapper system to fix it
[18:11] <Amaranth> To use signals/slots instead of a linked list
[18:11] <seb128> I had the crash before when unticking unity in ccsm
[18:11] <seb128> not on the ccsm run
[18:11] <Amaranth> ah, that's odd
[18:15] <seb128> njpatel, should https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/686419 be closed?
[18:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 686419 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Intellihide: Fails to hide when restoring an overlapping window (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:16] <njpatel> seb128, oh, yeah, let me do that
[18:16] <seb128> njpatel, same for https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/683735
[18:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683735 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Can't switch to another application when in expose mode (affects: 2) (heat: 212)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:16]  * kenvandine hasn't figured out the whole intellihide thing
[18:17] <njpatel> seb128, done and done, thanks
[18:17] <seb128> njpatel, thank you
[18:17] <njpatel> kenvandine, once you've experienced it, you can never go back
[18:17] <kenvandine> njpatel, how do you make it work?
[18:17] <njpatel> (you guys don't know the level of restraint I'm showing here by not saying a bunch of jokes after that)
[18:17] <kenvandine> haha!
[18:18] <njpatel> kenvandine, with autohide enabled, move a window away from the launcher, and if there is space, the launcher will show and won't autohide. If you then move the window back or maximize, the launcher hides
[18:18] <kenvandine> how do you enable it?
[18:19] <njpatel> kenvandine, it's an option in ccsm under unity plugin
[18:19] <kenvandine> no... well not for me :)
[18:19] <kenvandine> i have autohide and float
[18:22] <njpatel> oh, it might be just default
[18:22] <njpatel> DBO, would know for sure
[18:22] <DBO> intellihide and float are off by default
[18:22] <DBO> float does nothing
[18:22] <jcastro> Amaranth: sorry, I screwed this up, I was just trying to link the upstream virtualbox bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/675307
[18:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 675307 in virtualbox-ose (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "compiz can't load plugins and won't run in VirtualBox (affects: 17) (heat: 90)" [Undecided,New]
[18:23] <kenvandine> DBO, so how do i enable it?
[18:23] <kenvandine> gsettings?
[18:23] <DBO> enable what?
[18:23] <kenvandine> intellihide
[18:24] <jcastro> ccsm
[18:24] <DBO> in ccsm
[18:24] <Amaranth> jcastro: oh well, it links to the right upstream bug anyway
[18:24] <kenvandine> i have no intellihide option in ccsm
[18:24] <njpatel> DBO, what in ccsm, he doesn't see the option
[18:24] <kenvandine> wtf!
[18:24] <jcastro> click on the button
[18:24] <Amaranth> kenvandine: it's the autohide option
[18:24] <DBO> you need to click the UnityShell button
[18:24] <kenvandine> i have autohide and float
[18:24] <DBO> at the bottom
[18:24] <kenvandine> ?
[18:24]  * Amaranth fixes the disconnect
[18:24] <jcastro> it's non obvious, but the thing next to the checkbox is also a button
[18:24] <kenvandine> autohide isn't a section...
[18:24] <kenvandine> oh!
[18:25] <Amaranth> autohide also turns on intellihide
[18:25] <njpatel> Amaranth earns 1000points for being descriptive
[18:25] <kenvandine> humm... no... the button on the right of the checkbox?
[18:25] <kenvandine> that resets the default
[18:25] <jcastro> yes
[18:26] <jcastro> http://i.imgur.com/fZC8n.png
[18:26] <jcastro> do you see that?
[18:27] <mterry> seb128, btw, figured out the launchpad-integration failure.  libmono-system-data-linq2.0-cil is a new binary package in the in-main source package 'mono'.  We got it via debian auto-sync.  So I guess that binary package has to be put in main?
[18:27] <kenvandine> jcastro, yes... i see that
[18:27] <njpatel> mterry, dude, thanks for all the unity patching!
[18:27] <Amaranth> kenvandine: enabling autohide enables intellihide
[18:27] <Amaranth> check that box
[18:27] <njpatel> mterry, will get the modelines in when i get a spare sec
[18:27] <mterry> njpatel, np.  :)
[18:27] <kenvandine> so it is the same option?
[18:27] <jcastro> yes
[18:27] <Amaranth> because why would you want anything but intellihide? :)
[18:27] <seb128> mterry, right
[18:28] <mterry> njpatel, sure.  It's a likely-to-conflict branch, I'm not surprised it had issues when you got to it.  :)
[18:28] <seb128> mterry, can you ping jdstrand about that?
[18:28] <kenvandine> jcastro, so that isn't a button :)
[18:28] <seb128> it's his archive admin day
[18:28] <kenvandine> you were making me feel crazy
[18:28] <jcastro> kenvandine: in the screen before it's a button I mean
[18:28] <njpatel> mterry, you updated it, though, right?
[18:28] <kenvandine> ok... it is always autohiding for me
[18:28] <mterry> njpatel, ys
[18:28] <njpatel> or maybe I was reading mails in wrong order
[18:28] <njpatel> ah, okay
[18:28] <jcastro> kenvandine: it's non obvious, let's jettison ccsm as soon as possible
[18:28]  * kenvandine plays with that more later
[18:28] <njpatel> hence will try to get it in while trunk is somewhat sane :)
[18:28] <jcastro> kenvandine: just take a non maximized window and move it back and forth close to the dock
[18:29] <kenvandine> jcastro, i am... it stays hidden
[18:29] <kenvandine> unless i move my mouse to the left
[18:29] <jcastro> basically, if there's room, it will unhide, if you maximize or move anything close to it, it hides, it basically decides if it's in the way or not
[18:29] <kenvandine> yeah, i saw that in jono's video
[18:29] <kenvandine> but couldn't understand why it didn't do the same for me :)
[18:30] <jcastro> wfm, maybe wait for the new update today?
[18:30] <njpatel> seb128, is the rest of the release okay?
[18:30] <kenvandine> oh... actually it works for me on my other workspaces
[18:30] <seb128> njpatel, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/3.2.8-0ubuntu1
[18:31] <seb128> njpatel, let's see if it builds
[18:31] <njpatel> seb128, i love you
[18:31] <kenvandine> for some reason it seems to think here isn't room on the first workspace...
[18:31] <jcastro> kenvandine: oh ok, so it works so it's just buggy.
[18:31] <seb128> njpatel, I still don't get that prefix issue
[18:31] <seb128> njpatel, I workarounded locally
[18:31] <njpatel> seb128, nor do I, hopefully it doesn't effect the build
[18:31] <jcastro> kenvandine: the only annoying bit is the icons underneath still line up wrong so that can suck but I moved them away for now
[18:32]  * kenvandine would rather not have the icons there...
[18:32] <kenvandine> anyway... cool
[18:34] <seb128> njpatel, DBO: great work
[18:35] <njpatel> heh, thanks :)
[18:35] <DBO> I did something?
[18:35] <njpatel> DBO, no, you still suck, move on
[18:35] <DBO> righto
[18:36] <seb128> ;-)
[18:36] <seb128> DBO, I like the launcher dnd
[18:36] <DBO> seb128, im glad it works for you
[18:36] <DBO> it feels good I think
[18:36] <DBO> dont thank me, thank SuperNux
[18:37] <seb128> it's so much snappier than the old unity
[18:37]  * DBO wonders if nux 1.0 could be called SuperNux
[18:37] <seb128> brb session restart
[18:39] <jcastro> I can't wait to play with the launcher D&D
[18:41] <seb128> re
[18:41] <seb128> njpatel, ok, so the unity session compiz is still there, should I just roll back to the version with broken menus?
[18:41] <seb128> compiz crash
[18:44] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/3.2.8-0ubuntu1
[18:44] <seb128> \o/
[18:44] <seb128> njpatel, Amaranth: it built on the buildds
[18:45] <seb128> everybody could you try to install the new unity and see if it works for you in the next hours?
[18:45] <seb128> I would hate to leave for the end of year with unity broken
[18:45] <bcurtiswx> seb128, will do as soon as it gets to me
[18:45] <seb128> bcurtiswx, thanks!
[18:45] <seb128> bcurtiswx, hey btw how are you?
[18:46] <bcurtiswx> seb128, doing OK.  didn't think i would have today online but snow closed most things here in Washington, DC
[18:46] <seb128> bcurtiswx, you are in holidays now?
[18:46] <seb128> how did your last day before break go?
[18:47] <seb128> hehe
[18:47] <bcurtiswx> seb128, yes.  I took my last final yesterday.  Plans on driving to New York State tomorrow morning to be with family :)
[18:47] <seb128> great
[18:47] <bcurtiswx> i worked with robert_ancell last night to try to progress more in empathy.. seems i keep hitting walls :(
[18:48] <seb128> empathy is not an easy one
[18:48] <seb128> don't get demotivated
[18:48] <seb128> you did fix some builds ;-)
[18:49] <bcurtiswx> seb128, i appreciate all the desktop team has helped me with.  Since I'm learning I expect things to go slow :)  when do your holidays start?
[18:49] <seb128> now ;-)
[18:49] <seb128> well today
[18:49] <seb128> I still want to wrap up some things
[18:49] <seb128> like revert the compiz change from yesterday maybe
[18:49] <bcurtiswx> seb128, bonus points for devotion :)
[18:49] <seb128> hehe
[18:50] <seb128> it breaks the menus but unity starts at least
[18:50] <seb128> where now it crashes in the unity session
[18:50] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/691561
[18:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 691561 in compiz (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "compiz crash on login to Unity desktop (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed]
[18:50] <bcurtiswx> mine just sits at the desktop with no unity and the spinner shows
[18:50] <bcurtiswx> im guessing its that, yes
[18:51] <seb128> yes
[18:51] <seb128> you can log into the classic session and activate unity there
[18:51] <seb128> that works
[18:52] <seb128> dinner
[18:52] <seb128> bbl
[18:52] <bcurtiswx> put the terminal on your desktop and you can compiz --replace to workaround
[18:54] <mterry> seb128, btw, mono package promoted.  And a follow-up from yesterday, launchpad-integration and libunique are now in the desktop set
[19:04] <Amaranth> hmm, dist-upgrade wants to remove unity
[19:04]  * Amaranth hopes it's a small transition and waits for the new unity package
[19:21] <Amaranth> oh, it's because of the new nux
[19:25] <bcurtiswx> anyone know what this error means: src/Makefile.am: object `empathy-accounts-dialog.$(OBJEXT)' created both with libtool and without
[19:38] <seb128> re
[19:38] <seb128> mterry, ok, great
[19:38] <seb128> mterry, you should apply for main upload btw ;-)
[19:38] <seb128> Amaranth, right, new unity has built it needs to be published now
[19:38] <mterry> seb128, naw, I just have to keep expanding the definition of desktop
[19:39] <mterry> :)
[19:39] <seb128> desktop taking over ;-)
[20:15] <bcurtiswx> src/Makefile.am: object `empathy-accounts-dialog.$(OBJEXT)' created both with libtool and without
[20:15] <bcurtiswx> whats that means?
[20:32] <mterry> Is unity supposed to be broken right now?
[20:35] <kenvandine> mterry, not that i know o
[20:35] <kenvandine> +f
[20:35] <mterry> kenvandine, latest version appears briefly then disappers and leaves me with a spinning cursor.  Can't find anything in xsession-errors or /var/crash
[20:36] <kenvandine> ah
[20:36] <kenvandine> i think seb was chasing that early
[20:37] <kenvandine> compiz crashing at start or something
[20:37] <Amaranth> mterry: It's a glib issue but the workaround in compiz for it caused menus to go under windows or something
[20:37] <mterry> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/691561
[20:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 691561 in compiz (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "compiz crash on login to Unity desktop (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Fix released]
[20:38] <mterry> Looks like I just have to sit tight while the workaround is rebuilt
[20:49] <latenite> Hi folks, my new ubuntu box can not go online. http://pastebin.com/E6kUYmT8 192.168..4.101 is my own DNS What did I do wrong?
[20:50] <devildante> !support | latenite
[20:50] <ubot2> latenite: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[20:50] <latenite> devildante, oh ok, thanks a lot :)
[20:51] <devildante> latenite: np ;)