[08:04] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:07] <Mr__T> bore da!
[08:07] <brobostigon> :)
[08:07] <brobostigon> morning Mr__T :)
[08:11] <Mr__T> newport have joined the list of welsh universities charging £9k
[08:11] <Mr__T> giggle-worthy
[08:15] <brobostigon> hmmm.
[18:34] <brobostigon> good evening kn100 :)
[18:35] <kn100> hey brobostigon :(
[18:35] <brobostigon> :( ?
[18:35] <brobostigon> mistype?
[18:35] <kn100> my laptops playing up
[18:35] <kn100> :(
[18:35] <brobostigon> :(
[18:35] <brobostigon> hw or sw,or both?
[19:12] <kn100> I have narrowed it down to the ac adaptor
[19:14] <brobostigon> ok,
[22:34] <brobostigon> good ngiht, sleep well.


[07:29] <iAngeloHD> Basically I installed lubuntu on my old pc which is made by ipex with a pentium 4 3 gigahertz without a graphics card. It was installed correctly but every now and then my monitor goes black for a few second and turns back on but when it turns on there's a bunch of lines kinda like a worm glitch and it's not the monitor I'm sure it's a software thing
[07:37] <iAngeloHD> [18:29] <iAngeloHD> Basically I installed lubuntu on my old pc which is made by ipex with a pentium 4 3 gigahertz without a graphics card. It was installed correctly but every now and then my monitor goes black for a few second and turns back on but when it turns on there's a bunch of lines kinda like a worm glitch and it's not the monitor I'm sure it's a software thing
[12:31] <Jacruth> hi! would you know how to change the default wallpaper for a custom distro using lubuntu?
[20:56] <skywhale> Is 16.04 still LXDE or is it LXQt?
[20:56] <wxl> skywhale: lxde.
[20:58] <skywhale> Any news on when there will be an LXQt spin?
[20:58] <wxl> skywhale: probably 16.10. you can install it in a 16.04 system, though./
[20:58] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt
[21:04] <skywhale> Kinda wish LXQt defaulted to kwin instead of openbox, easy to change though. https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=LXQt_with_kwin
[21:12] <skywhale> installing!
[22:33] <Jacruth> hi Lubunters, would you know how to setup autologin in Lubuntu 14.04?
[22:45] <tsimonq2> Jacruth: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Boot_Install_Login#For_release_12.04_and_on_.28LightDM.29 might help :)
[22:45] <Jacruth> tsimonq2: the problem is that, afaik, it has changed
[22:45] <Jacruth> for example, I can't find /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[22:45] <Jacruth> or...
[22:46] <Jacruth> well, I can't find that
[22:47] <tsimonq2> huh
[22:47] <tsimonq2> ummmm
[22:47] <tsimonq2> hold on
[22:48] <tsimonq2> Jacruth: create that file and do what it says?
[22:48] <tsimonq2> multiple sources says that's what you do
[22:48] <Jacruth> in /etc/lightdm/ there are these files: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15545615/
[22:49] <Jacruth> okay, I'll give it a try
[22:49] <tsimonq2> hmm, wxl might know if you don't know, he knows it better than I do :)
[22:53] <Jacruth> thanks, I also tried to use /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults, but it doesn't exist anymore, that's why I said that it was changed (I think that they use some conf.d files) and I don't ant to mess it


[05:04] <ScottK> Found and fixed a bug just about 4 months before it would have had its 11th anniversary.
[05:05] <ScottK> (Not Kubuntu related, but I had to share)
[05:05] <valorie> extremely cool!
[05:05] <valorie> and probably deep in the stack, if it was so old?
[05:08] <valorie> congratulations on doing that, ScottK
[06:08] <ScottK> Very much a corner case.
[06:09] <valorie> ScottK: nice to see someone sweeping the dust bunnies out of the corners
[09:17] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:44] <soee> some user reports this issue:
[09:44] <soee> kubuntu-plasma5-desktop : Depends: kio-extras but it is not going to be installed
[10:51] <jussi> good evening all :)
[10:52] <apachelogger> xnox: I am not working on ubiquity; usb-creator might not be able to go upstream for 14.10 because we'd have integration issues from kdelibs4 -> pyqt5 WRT themeing
[10:52] <apachelogger> that is unless you have immediate use for it, I'd hold off for 15.04
[10:53] <apachelogger> jussi: hello bruce
[10:53] <jussi> hi apachelogger. why am I Bruce today?
[10:54] <apachelogger> jussi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA
[10:54] <apachelogger> I have to confess I never quite understood that sketch
[10:54] <soee> apachelogger: could you take few minutes and check if kubuntu-plasma5-desktop has dependency problems with kio-extras as some users reports ?
[10:55] <jussi> apachelogger: ahhhh...
[11:17] <apachelogger> soee: not at a work computer I am
[11:18] <apachelogger> soee: "dependency problems" is not a description one can look into though :P
[11:18] <soee> apachelogger: he posted this http://pastebin.com/s3H2v8Sv
[11:19] <apachelogger> that's not really the problem though, something is holding back kio-extras
[11:19] <apachelogger> likely another alraedy installed package
[11:19] <apachelogger> so it's not an unlikey issue, what you pasted doesn't help finding it though :)
[11:20] <soee> is it possible somehow to verify what causing this ?
[11:21] <apachelogger> sure if the guy shows up again tell him to run `sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes kio-extras`
[11:21] <apachelogger> that will produce output that should say why exactly kio-extras cannot be installed
[11:23] <soee> hi dileep
[11:23] <soee> 13:21] <apachelogger> sure if the guy shows up again tell him to run `sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes kio-extras`
[11:23] <soee> apachelogger:  its dileep :)
[11:23] <dileep> i tried this
[11:24] <soee> and ?
[11:25] <dileep> this is what i get
[11:25] <dileep> http://pastebin.com/6N4bVZts
[11:27] <soee> libexif wasnt it a bit broken and placed in proposed ?
[11:27] <soee> not sure though if this verison exactly
[11:32] <soee> dileep: do you have by any chance proposed enabled ?
[11:33] <dileep> yes. it was checked
[11:33] <dileep> i'm updating cache ryt now
[11:44] <apachelogger> don't use proposed on the devel series, proposed often gets you into trouble there because all new packages without automated QA land there :)
[11:48] <dileep> still getting the same output on the terminal
[11:49] <dileep> important updates,recommended updates and unsupported updates are checked
[11:57] <dileep> what exactly is "sudo apt-get build-dep ufraw" is used for????
[11:59] <dileep> when i enter this "sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes libexiv2-12"
[12:00] <dileep> i get this on the terminal "Package libexiv2-12 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:00] <dileep> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source"
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:48] <dileep> is there anything i can try to get plasma 5 in kubuntu 14.10 using ppa?
[12:51] <soee> dileep: it was fresh unicorn installation or upgrade from older version >
[12:51] <soee> ?
[12:51] <dileep> upgrade
[12:51] <soee> id suggest to fresh install
[12:53] <dileep> thats painful!!!i always do i get stuck
[12:54] <dileep> when*
[12:55] <BluesKaj> plasma 5 ...ugh!
[13:14] <6JTAA0NVQ> can anyone please tell me the directory where the kde plasmoid widgets are saved?
[14:52] <ShalokShalom> http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[14:52] <ShalokShalom> Why 2 times desktop, please ? o.O
[21:59]  * yofel loves when the cause for a bug stares right at his face while he's debugging it for days..
[22:00] <yofel> I mean, 1.13.1 looks like a very valid floating point number, huh...
[22:06] <yofel> shadeslayer, apachelogger: looks sane? http://paste.kde.org/przs0cdiz
[22:08] <soee_> i can confirm now issue that one user reported earlier, iv installed 14.10 using latest iso, now when i want to insall plasma5 from next ppa
[22:08] <yofel> ok, I have suspend back \o/
[22:08] <yofel> now hibernate needs to be hidden...
[22:08] <soee_> i have dependency problem kubuntu-plasma5-desktop and kio-extras
[22:09] <yofel> the thing with exiv?
[22:10] <soee_> yes, kio-extras depends om libexif2-12 but is not installable
[22:10] <yofel> yeah, needs a rebuild
[22:10] <yofel> I'll do that
[22:21] <soee_> yofel is there any workaround for this atm ?
[22:21] <yofel> well, you can install libexiv2-12 from trusty...
[22:24] <ScottK> yofel: Why are we hiding hibernate again?
[22:24] <ScottK> It always worked fine for me, so I don't get it.
[22:25] <yofel> uh, IIRC too unreliable to leave enabled by default?
[22:25] <yofel> not sure what the state today is, but it's been very unreliable for me
[22:25] <ScottK> That's what I've heard, but is it really true.
[22:25] <ScottK> Since the Plasma 5 stuff is experimental anyway, maybe leave it an see how it goes.
[22:26] <yofel> nah, it's not plasma related, it's logind that doesn't respect the policy. So now that I made powerdevil use logind again Hibernate is "supported"
[22:28] <ScottK> I see.
[22:28] <ScottK> I'd say leave it and see if people complain.
[22:28] <yofel> so, just tried it again...
[22:29] <soee> yofel: the rebuild worked i think, the issue is gone
[22:29] <yofel> a) the policykit authentication window that asks for the password to allow hibernating with multiple running users showed up after/below the screen lock
[22:30] <yofel> b) it did hibernate, it did *not* restore the session
[22:30] <yofel> might be thanks to be having 8G RAM and 6G swap...
[22:30] <yofel> *me
[22:31] <soee> 6G swap ?
[22:31] <yofel> yes?
[22:32] <soee> is it used anyway ?
[22:32] <yofel> often
[22:32] <soee> when does the swap is used? when ram is not enough only ?
[22:33] <yofel> keep quassel open, 4x dolphin, the whole pim/akonadi stuff, firefox, chrome, then build something with multiple compiler process
[22:33] <soee> woho, plasma5 works on my desktop now also :)
[22:33] <yofel> and suddenly 8G is not *that* much
[22:33] <soee> :)
[22:35] <soee> i wonder if this will work:
[22:36] <soee> on my laptop i have .config folder, is it possible to link it to owncloud directory and sync with .config on my desktop
[22:36] <soee> so i can have the same configuration on both PC and lap
[22:36] <ScottK> yofel: Usually for hibernate, you need swap > ram.
[22:37] <yofel> IIRC it's swap >= used memory, but I think I didn't have enough indeed
[22:38] <yofel> I pretty much stopped using it since I have 8G memory. It simply takes too long to copy that amount of data for my taste
[22:38] <yofel> and suspend does the job for me
[22:38] <ScottK> Right, but if swap !> ram, it'll be unreliable.
[22:39] <yofel> it would be unreliable even then. If you have 8G RAM + 12G swap, and a total of 13G memory used it'll fail again
[22:40] <yofel> windows solves this nicely by just using a dedicated file... but I guess that would be too much of a filesystem specific implementation for linux
[22:54] <soee> what was the package name for ctcurve for gtk apps ?
[22:55] <ScottK> You mean qtcurve?
[22:55] <soee> yes
[22:56] <ScottK> Binary is qtcurve
[22:56] <ScottK> Source is kde-style-qtcurve
[22:56] <soee> ah i think it is kde-style-qtcurve4
[22:57] <soee> yup.. got it on gtk settings list
[23:03] <soee> Riddell: shouldn't kde-style-qtcurve4 be installed by default and set as defautl for gtk2 apps ?
[23:05] <yofel> actually, that's the qt4 theme, you're looking for gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[23:07] <soee> i have installed it as it was recommended by kubuntu-plasma5-desktop but gtk2 apps did not use qtcurve if kde-style-qtcurve5 is not installed (it is not available in kcmshell4 kde-gtk-config)
[23:07] <soee> *qtcurve4
[23:08] <soee> or wait, wrong
[23:08] <soee> qt4 apps ?
[23:08] <soee> muon etc
[23:08] <soee> but i had ti set it through kde-gtk-config
[23:10] <yofel> there's a bunch of config stuff in kde-style-qtcurve4, maybe some of that is needed for the other 2
[23:25] <xnox> apachelogger: i'd love to review / study usb-creator port, and e.g. maintain it as a branch and/or another frontend-ui option upstream.


[00:11] <asac> ok off ... cu tomorrow!
[00:12] <phoenix24> asac: quick question!
[01:56] <Arwen> Firefox package is broken!
[06:56] <asac> hi
[07:31]  * asac needs coffee
[07:40] <[reed]> coffee is for the weak
[07:40] <[reed]> :)
[07:55] <asac> haha
[07:55] <asac> well ... most likely its late for you ;)
[07:59] <[reed]> asac: yeah, 2am
[07:59] <asac> [reed]: i usually have no problems to stay up at 2am without coffee ;) ... its just the mornings that make me cry
[08:00] <[reed]> hehe
[11:38] <asac> [reed]: do you know keyword for searches? (typing "goo searchterm" in location bar)
[11:38] <[reed]> yes?
[11:38] <asac> [reed]: someone found that those are not remember e.g. no autocompletion
[11:39] <asac> you know if there is a bug for that (enhancement) ?
[11:39] <[reed]> doesn't surprise me
[11:39] <[reed]> not that I know of
[11:39] <asac> yeah me neither
[11:42] <asac> mozilla bug 392143 and mozilla bug 389903
[11:42] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 392143 in Location Bar and Autocomplete "show keywords as url bar autocomplete choices" [Enhancement,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392143
[11:42] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 389903 in History: Global "Autocomplete custom keywords with parameters (but only after I type a space)" [Enhancement,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389903
[13:08] <asac> [reed]: mozilla bug 411831 ... wonder if this is dupe as it didn't get much attention yet
[13:08] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 411831 in General "Scaled images rendered incorrectly; some images not shown at all (apparently Linux- & Nvidia-related)" [Major,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411831
[13:09] <[reed]> hmm
[13:10] <[reed]> I'll ask Ventron about it
[13:11] <asac> appears to be driver related, according to comments in bug 182038 its also in mozilla.com builds
[13:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182038 in xulrunner-1.9 "Black rectangle instead of image in FF3 [Hardy]" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182038
[13:11] <asac> thanks
[13:11] <[reed]> ah, black rectangle!
[13:11] <[reed]> there's a bug filed on that
[13:12] <asac> a blocker?
[13:12] <[reed]> hmm, this might not be it
[13:12] <[reed]> mozilla bug 380115
[13:12] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 380115 in GFX: Thebes "Linux 16-bit widget size issues (black rectangle at bottom of long page)" [Major,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=380115
[13:13] <asac> oh cool ... there is a fix
[13:51]  * armin76 looks
[14:18] <armin76> i don't think that's the issue :/
[16:55] <asac> [reed]: i want to do openDialog from cpp and pass window.args[0] with data like object = { test1: 0, test2: 1 } (expressed in pseudo js) ... any idea out of your head, what type |arguments| needs to be and how to construct that?
[17:27] <asac> hi phoenix24
[17:27] <asac> did your question from yesterday resolved itself?
[17:28] <phoenix24> Hi asac!!
[17:29] <phoenix24> Nope, the question was.. could I use .xpi extensions for packaging, instead of the CVS SRC code ?
[17:30]  * phoenix24 is behind a univ. proxy, that makes it messy to access CVS.
[17:30] <asac> phoenix24: sourcce is preferred. only if not available we should package .xpi's ... if we package .xpi's its important to get the licensing right
[17:30] <asac> for that ping the upstream author and ask him to include a license.txt or COPYING file in the .xpi top-level dir at best
[17:32] <phoenix24> All of the ff3 extensions at mozdev.org are hosted on CVS... means, I cant work with any of them.
[17:32] <phoenix24> http://www.mozdev.org/projects/top50.html
[17:39] <asac> why cant you work with any of them?
[17:40] <asac> phoenix24: ah, but you can use bzr?
[17:40] <asac> phoenix24: we can figure something out. If you check the licensing we can create a list of sources you want to be imported from CVS in bzr
[17:40] <asac> we can do that then
[17:43] <asac> phoenix24: any extension you want to start working on now?
[17:43] <asac> i could then create the .upstream branch for you
[17:43] <phoenix24> yes, lots actually.
[17:43] <asac> phoenix24: lets start with one
[17:43] <asac> check the license first ... if that is done tell me where to get it
[17:43] <asac> and which CVS tag
[17:44] <asac> then add the others to a wiki page or something
[17:44] <phoenix24> ok
[17:45] <phoenix24> asac: I'll check in a min, and tell
[18:05] <phoenix24> asac: I'll start with http://fireftp.mozdev.org
[18:06] <phoenix24> cvs tags :   cvs -d :pserver:guest@mozdev.org:/cvs login
[18:06] <phoenix24>   cvs -z3 -d :pserver:guest@mozdev.org:/cvs co fireftp
[18:10] <asac> no tag?
[18:11] <asac> btw, its fireftp/src i need to checkout
[18:11] <phoenix24> Yes, I think
[18:12] <phoenix24> A lots of these CVS repo's do not have a licence file.
[18:13] <asac> yes, most probably just didn't know about the impact. a ping might help
[18:15] <phoenix24> So, do I mail them. . requesting to add an appropriate licence before proceeding further ?
[18:17] <asac> phoenix24: welcome back
[18:17] <asac> yes, please mail them
[18:17] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/firefox-extensions/fireftp.upstream
[18:17] <asac> here you go
[18:17] <asac> takes a minute till its scanned
[18:18] <phoenix24> thanks!
[18:18] <asac> now its there
[18:18] <phoenix24> I'll add it to wiki's too.
[18:18] <asac> fine
[18:24] <phoenix24> asac: next CVS tag be, cvs -z3 -d :pserver:guest@mozdev.org:/cvs co menueditor
[18:24] <phoenix24> for ff3-extension menueditor.
[18:25] <phoenix24> only the src/ directory.
[19:17] <Ubulette> hi
[19:20] <armin76> yo
[19:23] <phoenix24> Ubulette: Hi!
[19:53] <asac> phoenix24: no release tag?
[19:53] <asac> (menueditor)
[19:56] <phoenix24> asac: cvs -z3 -d :pserver:guest@mozdev.org:/cvs co menueditor
[19:56] <phoenix24> and the src/ directory.
[19:56] <asac> do you know what a TAG is?
[19:56] <phoenix24> Nope.
[19:57] <asac> its basically a NAME for a certain snapshot that they release
[19:57] <asac> decent projects do that on release
[19:57] <asac> some dont (like fireftp)
[19:57] <phoenix24> Does CVS give the latest release always ?
[19:57] <phoenix24> *Does not
[19:57] <asac> so usually you don't want to export/import a random snapshot from CVS HEAD, but a release
[19:58] <asac> it gives you the latest development HEAD ... which usually isn't a release
[19:58] <asac> phoenix24: http://www.mozdev.org/source/browse/menueditor/src/install.rdf?rev=1.11
[19:58] <asac> on top there is CVS Tags:
[19:58] <asac> unfortunately they don't use tags as well
[19:58] <asac> (HEAD is always the latest)
[19:59] <asac> phoenix24: if there are no tags, we should look if the xpi ships a license file
[19:59] <asac> if it does we should import the unpacked .xpi
[20:00] <phoenix24> aok!
[20:00] <asac> in this case we can do it
[20:00] <asac> well ... not now. as the current .xpi doesn't support firefox 3
[20:00] <asac> is CVS ready?
[20:00] <Ubulette> http://gemal.dk/blog/2008/02/26/dom_inspector_not_shipping_in_firefox_3/
[20:01] <asac> phoenix24: ok officially it doesnt ... have you tried to install the xpi in ffox 3 with compatibility check disabled?
[20:01] <asac> (the how to for that is on the firefox3 extension page)
[20:01] <asac> hmm disconnect
[20:02] <asac> Ubulette: can ew come up with an independent build/source package for dom-inspector?
[20:02] <phoenix24> We'r packaging extensions only for ff3 right ?
[20:02] <asac> otherwise we should just keep provding it from xul
[20:02] <asac> phoenix24: yes
[20:02] <asac> 21:01 < asac> phoenix24: ok officially it doesnt ... have you tried to install the xpi in ffox 3 with  compatibility check disabled?
[20:03] <asac> 21:01 -!- phoenix24<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Remote closed the connection]
[20:03] <asac> 21:01 < asac> (the how to for that is on the firefox3 extension page)
[20:03] <asac> phoenix24: ^^^
[20:03] <Ubulette> asac, i think it's fine to keep it in xul
[20:04] <Ubulette> i'm nearly done with tb3
[20:04] <phoenix24> Doesn't work.
[20:05] <asac> phoenix24: then move forward
[20:06] <phoenix24> Extension installation fails, coz the extension fails to provide "Secure Updates"
[20:06] <phoenix24> How du I disable it ?
[20:06] <asac> what do you mean?
[20:08] <asac> phoenix24: just fix the update url: use https
[20:08] <asac> in install.rdf
[20:11] <phoenix24> asac: Will do menueditor later.
[20:11] <phoenix24> doing fireftp now.
[20:16] <asac> phoenix24: the branch suffix .ubuntu or .upstream has nothing to do with the package name
[20:16] <asac> so myubufox.ubuntu would have the package "myubufox" ... just in case you wondered ;)
[20:16] <asac> the .ubuntu suffix just means that its its the ubuntu package, while .upstream is the branch that tracks the unmodified upstream dev tree
[20:16] <asac> (thats just convention)
[20:17] <asac> you can name branches as you like of course. but having a common naming scheme for all firefox extensions is obviously beneficial.
[20:18] <phoenix24> yea
[20:18] <phoenix24> *yes
[20:21] <phoenix24> asac: what is install.rdf
[20:22] <phoenix24> what & how it defines for the package/build process ?
[20:37] <phoenix24> How do I fill in debian/copyright ?
[20:39] <phoenix24> ubuntulog:
[20:39] <phoenix24> !ubuntulog
[20:39] <ubotu> ubuntulog is a logging bot run on various Ubuntu channels. You can read the logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[22:10] <Ubulette> asac, [PPA fta] Accepted: thunderbird-3.0 3.0~a1~cvs20080220t0747+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1 (source)
[22:10] <Ubulette> let's see if it build there too
[22:12] <Ubulette> doh!
[23:52] <asac> Ubulette: are you using thunderbird on your own?
[23:52] <Ubulette> not anymore
[23:52] <Ubulette> why ?
[23:53] <Ubulette> http://www.osnews.com/story/19391
[23:53] <asac> just wondered if you know how bad 3.0 trashes the profile ;)
[23:54] <asac> did he contribute a lot in recent history?
[23:54] <Ubulette> really ? i advised users to backup their profile
[23:54] <asac> unfortunately i didn't find any perfect editor yet ... maybe its time for a new? :-P
[23:55] <Ubulette> vim and xemacs are perfect for me
[23:55] <asac> wow i can stall firefox in front of gnome-terminal
[23:55] <asac> so i cannot make gnome-terminal the frontmost app again
[23:55] <asac> (until i minize firefox)
[23:56] <asac> just open firefox in front and open a context menu by right-clicking on a terminal partially hidden
[23:56] <asac> even alt+tab doesn't work anymore
[23:56] <asac> oh crazy
[23:57] <asac> restarting firefox fixed it
[23:57] <asac> Ubulette: do we see cairo assert crashes in b4pre?
[23:57] <asac> on shutdown?
[23:58] <Ubulette> I don't think so, it was an a6-a8 thing, no ?
[23:59] <asac> yes, but i saw a blocker bug that had a similar ASSERT output (of course not a crash in upstream builds because they still have the non-fatal asserts patch in cairo


[00:01] <wxl> did it work did it work?
[00:02] <krytarik> wxl: Don't know, won't boot into a Live image to test that right now. :P
[00:02] <wxl> krytarik: well that's the part i need to know i guess
[00:02] <tsimonq2> told ya :P
[00:09] <krytarik> That's because I only have *one* machine, of course.
[00:10] <krytarik> wxl: Would tomorrow suffice still?
[00:11] <wxl> krytarik: yes please. thank you very much!
[00:11] <krytarik> Alright then.
[04:13] <krytarik> wxl: Generally it works, it seems. :D  Only 1.) lxqt-connman-applet is not available yet; 2.) lxqt-common still removes lubuntu-core, lubuntu-default-session, lubuntu-default-settings, lubuntu-desktop, and lubuntu-live-settings, of course; and 3.) lxqt-powermanagement conflicts with xfce4-power-manager and light-locker, which should be disabled in the autostart settings, of course.  Other than that, it's pretty cool ...
[04:13] <krytarik> ... already. \o/
[04:13] <krytarik> See, it works now! :P
[04:18] <ian||lin> krytarik: yep I agree
[04:18] <ian||lin> which is why I installed lxqt alongside mate on one of 16.04 isntalls
[04:19] <ian||lin> and have a gtk 2 lxde one as well
[04:19] <krytarik> JuffEd doesn't seem to work at all though. :D
[04:19] <ian||lin> krytarik: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juffed/+bug/1500122
[04:20] <ian||lin> is what I think that bug is that I reported
[04:20] <krytarik> Crashes on trying to open files, and doesn't display any entered text, that is.
[04:20]  * krytarik tries
[04:21] <krytarik> Hah, yep. :D
[04:33] <ian||lin> also what about getting bug email about the lxqt packages?
[04:34] <krytarik> You mean generally?
[04:34] <ian||lin> yeah as I know there is a team I am  a member of that gets it for lxde stuff
[04:35] <krytarik> I'd have to look into that.
[05:28] <krytarik> ian||lin: Well, I guess they can be either added here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lxqt/+packagebugs , or to the Lubuntu one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-packaging/+packagebugs - and the link to the latter here has an excess "-team" in it, btw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/LXDE
[16:45] <krytarik> "https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-art/lubuntu-artwork/quantal" - can we fix the "quantal" bit now?  It's slightly disconcerting. :P
[16:45] <krytarik> To be clear, that's the "trunk" series branch.
[17:44] <phillw> krytarik: for lubuntu iso lxqt bugs please use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt#Reporting_Bugs An effort is to be made to get some serious triaging done, Julien is miles behind and wxl has added it to bug triaging part of the Google-In tasks
[17:46] <phillw> krytarik: as quantal is EoL I would not expect to see any alterations to that project.
[17:48] <krytarik> phillw: Like I indicated, that's the *current* branch.
[17:53] <phillw> krytarik: ahh, okies.. Once rafael has his b/band back he and Julien can look into it :)
[17:57] <krytarik> wxl: So for a working, non-bloated LXQt experience on top of Lubuntu 16.04, I'd suggest something like this: "sudo apt-get install lximage-qt lxqt-about lxqt-admin lxqt-common lxqt-config lxqt-globalkeys lxqt-notificationd lxqt-openssh-askpass lxqt-panel lxqt-policykit lxqt-powermanagement lxqt-qtplugin lxqt-runner lxqt-session lxqt-sudo pcmanfm-qt qterminal qupzilla".
[17:58] <phillw> krytarik: until julien has the meta-package added to the repo, I'd suggest using the ppa.
[17:59] <krytarik> phillw: Well, see the backlog of earlier here.
[17:59] <phillw> he will amend the wiki page once it is in xenial and we no longer need to add the ppa.
[18:01] <phillw> krytarik: http://pastebin.com/9LAXRs1E
[18:01] <phillw> until then, easiest way is use the ppa :)
[18:06] <phillw> I've only done the install onto netboot one. I switch to Xenial in first couple of days of New Year following the Alpha 1 release on my production machine and will also add a couple of new VM's as milestone ones to play with lxqt on as an additional DE
[18:14] <wxl> you're my hero, krytarik
[18:14] <krytarik> \o/
[18:15] <wxl> krytarik: other than the gotchas you mentioned, everything seems to Just Work™ or did you need to do anything else?
[18:16] <wxl> i.e. just do that, logout and select the lxqt session? or does it remove the other sessions just leaving you one?
[18:16] <krytarik> Well, removing Firefox might be easiest.  :D
[18:17] <wxl> krytarik: tell me more
[18:17] <krytarik> Sec.
[18:20] <krytarik> wxl: Basically, set it as the default in the LXQt settings, and this as well: http://askubuntu.com/a/467920
[18:21] <krytarik> (And I had to create "~/.local/share/applications" first.)
[18:22] <wxl> ahhh fooey
[18:23] <wxl> krytarik: does firefox work without adding qupzilla?
[18:24] <krytarik> wxl: Yeah - other than the most recent versions of being unusable for me. :P
[18:24] <krytarik> + it
[18:25] <wxl> ok then
[18:25] <krytarik> (Anything later than version 39, to be exact.)
[18:25] <wxl> but the qt parts Just Work™?
[18:25] <krytarik> Yep.
[18:25] <wxl> k great. thanks a ton dude!
[18:26] <krytarik> Although I did notice a slight display flicker on my system anytime I start a GUI app.
[18:27] <krytarik> But I'm guessing that's just me.
[18:27] <wxl> yeah could be some graphics issue. this is on hardware or vm?
[18:27] <krytarik> Memory footprint was like 300 MB. :D
[18:27] <krytarik> + btw
[18:27] <wxl> oooh
[18:28] <krytarik> Nope, real hardware.
[18:28] <krytarik> It's like 14 years old by now, so... :D
[18:28] <wxl> oh well there's that :)
[18:33] <krytarik> wxl: Oh, and one might want to mention that you can make the GTK+ apps look less ugly (i.e. not use Raleigh) by setting the theme with "lxappearance".
[18:36] <krytarik> Also, use the logout option from the menu, since the panel one will be gone after install. :P
[18:37] <krytarik> (In the old Lubuntu session, that is.)
[18:37] <wxl> right right
[18:37] <wxl> thanks again!
[18:37] <krytarik> Sure.
[18:38] <krytarik> It was fun. :D
[18:38] <wxl> i'm super glad to hear it
[18:38] <wxl> you going to continue to use it?
[18:38] <krytarik> Well, with the flickering, certainly not yet. :P
[18:39] <wxl> oh bah
[18:39] <krytarik> Other than that, I was looking forward to try it, yep.
[18:42] <krytarik> And like I said, it works really nice already, otherwise.
[18:55] <krytarik> wxl: But QupZilla was set as the default in the 'alternatives' system indeed - that didn't quite suffice though.
[18:55] <wxl> but it didn't even create an icon?
[18:56] <krytarik> Sure it did.
[18:57] <krytarik> But that doesn't help much if you click links, of course.
[18:57] <wxl> sorry i mean a menu option
[18:58] <krytarik> Yep, I got that.
[18:58] <wxl> and changing in lxqt-default-whatever doesn't do the trick
[18:58] <wxl> ?
[19:00] <krytarik> Nope - not sure what that helped anyway.
[19:00] <wxl> huh ok
[19:00] <wxl> if you outright remove firefox before doing anything else, does that work?
[19:01] <krytarik> Should yes, didn't though - because I wanted to have fun. :P
[19:01] <wxl> i know that feeling!
[19:01] <krytarik> Easy way?  Nope! :D
[19:02] <wxl> kind of like when i deleted /etc
[19:02] <krytarik> hahaha
[21:58]  * tsimonq2 uninstalled network drivers once
[21:58] <tsimonq2> my advice, never use wildcard when you are doing apt remove
[21:58] <tsimonq2> or *
[22:06] <Kamilion> especally not with -y
[22:07] <tsimonq2> that's what I did
[22:07] <Kamilion> i figured ;)
[22:07] <tsimonq2> I did sudo apt -y remove package1* package2* etc
[22:14] <Kamilion> wxl: so, I, too, lxqt'd.
[22:14] <Kamilion> desktop background / root window doesn't refresh when i change monitor resolution.
[22:16] <wxl> ignoring that for a moment, was your experience the same as krytarik, Kamilion ?
[22:16] <Kamilion> I fixed it by opening the control center, stopping the desktop, and starting it again.
[22:16] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/lQQYG/1f9930ac4e.png
[22:16] <Kamilion> other than that, you can see the result of my exploration.
[22:17] <Kamilion> wxl: I have to open my log files to get at some of that scrollback
[22:18] <Kamilion> but qupzilla seems to work quite nicely.
[22:21] <wxl> Kamilion: would you confirm his directions?
[22:23] <krytarik> Kamilion: Or, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/12/10/%23lubuntu-devel.html
[22:26] <Kamilion> thanks krytarik
[22:27] <krytarik> Sure.
[22:28] <Kamilion> "sudo apt-get install lximage-qt lxqt-about lxqt-admin lxqt-common lxqt-config lxqt-globalkeys lxqt-notificationd lxqt-openssh-askpass lxqt-panel lxqt-policykit lxqt-powermanagement lxqt-qtplugin lxqt-runner lxqt-session lxqt-sudo pcmanfm-qt qterminal qupzilla"  <-- I used "lxqt-metapackage openbox qupzilla obconf lubuntu-artwork" from the netinstall64 xenial media.
[22:28] <krytarik> Kamilion: That's intended to be installed without the PPA though.
[22:29] <Kamilion> oh?
[22:29] <Kamilion> ooh.
[22:29] <krytarik> And the metapackage isn't in the offical repos yet.
[22:29] <Kamilion> I know that much.
[22:29] <krytarik> Yar.
[22:29] <Kamilion> so it's just the missing metapackage and theme from mainline repos?
[22:30] <Kamilion> the actual application/lib packages are already in main?
[22:30] <krytarik> * official
[22:31] <krytarik> And what do you mean by "mainline"?
[22:31] <Kamilion> not using any ppas
[22:31] <tsimonq2> AKA official repos
[22:31] <krytarik> The first isn't even in Debian yet, ftm.
[22:31] <Kamilion> i suppose that could get confusing to people working on the kernel
[22:31] <tsimonq2> +1
[22:32] <Kamilion> hm, lemme fire up synaptic and have it tell me where it got the packages from
[22:32] <Kamilion> oh -- one other note
[22:32] <Kamilion> it seems to want gksu for pcmanfm's "Open as Root" to work.
[22:33] <krytarik> Right, that's why it's listed in the Debian one.
[22:33] <Kamilion> what is listed where?
[22:33] <Kamilion> "It's" listed in "the debian one" ?
[22:33] <krytarik> 'gsku'.
[22:34] <krytarik> Wait.
[22:34] <Kamilion> 'one'?
[22:34] <Kamilion> "gksu is listed in the debian package's recommends/depends already, but not in the ubuntu package." ?
[22:34] <krytarik> → http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-lxqt/lxqt-metapackages.git/tree/debian/control
[22:35] <krytarik> Yep - well, not in the PPA one.
[22:35] <Kamilion> Oh, I had no idea this was going upstream to debian first
[22:35] <wxl> Kamilion: that's the canonical (hehehe) plan
[22:36] <krytarik> Though, since August :P - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=795803
[22:36] <Kamilion> that's actually super good to hear, I was gonna be messing with Jessie sometime soon
[22:37] <Kamilion> that link's just the metapackage -- are the rest of the packages already in the archive?
[22:37] <krytarik> Yep.
[22:37] <Kamilion> Wow. Awesomesauce.
[22:37] <krytarik> Indeed.
[22:37] <Kamilion> I havn't really been tracking lxqt recently
[22:38] <Kamilion> mainly because my vmware workstation install has been acting up
[22:39] <Kamilion> i finally just gave up and installed it on an esxi VM
[22:39] <Kamilion> somewhere around 5 or 6 this morning
[22:39] <Kamilion> only real major I run into is the desktop root window not resizing when the monitor size changes.
[22:39] <wxl> Kamilion: make a bug
[22:39] <wxl> now you can use launchpad to do it!
[22:39] <wxl> like a normal package
[22:40] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/lQSJv/df05224333.png
[22:40] <Kamilion> The fix was to 'stop' and 'start' Desktop, here.
[22:40] <wxl> man that looks fscking hot
[22:41]  * wxl really loves the look of qt
[22:41] <Kamilion> yeah, this is really going to make things easier on my staff
[22:41] <Kamilion> it's a lot more XP/7 like, which is what they're "used to"
[22:41] <wxl> yep
[22:41] <Kamilion> the only thing still missing for me is Win7 style taskbar icons
[22:42] <Kamilion> but this is QT; that should be relatively trivial
[22:43] <wxl> yep
[22:44] <tsimonq2> yep
[22:44] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:44] <Kamilion> wuuuuuuuuuuuut
[22:44] <Kamilion> no shit
[22:44] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/lQT3D/a9459461ca.png
[22:44] <Kamilion> Bossman's already ahead of me
[22:45] <Kamilion> *VERY* slick. Kami approval rating +++++++++++++++++
[22:45] <tsimonq2> REAL MEN use the terminal to add ppas XD :P
[22:45] <Kamilion> tsimonq2: real men wear pink.
[22:45] <Kamilion> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealMenWearPink
[22:46] <Kamilion> The cherries represent the blood of our enemies! Careful, they're still hot.
[22:46] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: REAL MEN use the terminal for everything
[22:46] <wxl> you guys
[22:46] <Kamilion> and REAL MEN do all their programming with a magnet
[22:46] <wxl> real men use punch cards
[22:46] <wxl> and an abacus
[22:46] <tsimonq2> REAL MEN run Linux on their alarm clocks
[22:46] <Kamilion> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png
[22:46] <Kamilion> tsimonq2: chumby!
[22:47] <Kamilion> <3
[22:47] <Kamilion> I <3 bunnie huang and chumby and all his projects.
[22:47] <Kamilion> https://www.chumby.com/
[22:47] <Kamilion> Chumby, the original linux-powered wifi alarm clock.
[22:47] <Kamilion> accept no substitute!
[22:48]  * wxl uses linux in his alarm clock
[22:48]  * wxl 's alarm clock is his android phoen
[22:48] <tsimonq2> REAL MEN don't use their phones as alarm clocks
[22:48] <Kamilion> wxl: chumby predates android, I think
[22:48] <wxl> real men don't say what realm men use
[22:48] <tsimonq2> REAL MEN run Linux on their alarm clocks
[22:49] <krytarik> wxl: "now you can use launchpad to do it!"  Grow a sense of humor!
[22:53] <Kamilion> Or at least a potted plant
[22:54] <Kamilion> (Warning: Developing a green thumb may lead to gardening, trimming, excessive worry over outside temperatures, childlike enthusiasm, and eating better. See your doctor to find out if Gardening will work for you!)
[22:55] <krytarik> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IJCFc_qkHw - there you go. :D
[22:56] <Kamilion> hah, a true classic.
[22:57] <tsimonq2> like ur mom?
[22:57] <Kamilion> Yep.
[22:57] <Kamilion> They only made tanks like her in the 40s.
[22:57]  * Kamilion chuckles
[22:58] <tsimonq2> let's take this over to offtopic
[22:58] <Kamilion> Let's not and say we did.
[22:58] <Kamilion> anyway
[22:58] <tsimonq2> !language
[22:58] <tsimonq2> :P
[22:58] <Kamilion> wxl: what package should I direct my bug report for? I think it's pcmanfm that's managing the desktop root window
[22:59] <tsimonq2> !info vrms
[22:59] <Kamilion> tsimonq2: hold on a second, lemme go get IVAN CHESNOKOV and his ALLCAPS RUSSIAN TO ENGLISH
[22:59] <tsimonq2> that
[22:59] <Kamilion> GRENADE SPIGOT
[22:59] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:59] <tsimonq2> finally!
[23:00] <Kamilion> http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/ivan-chesnokov.php
[23:01] <Kamilion> also sums up what I think about linux in a nutshell.
[23:01] <Kamilion> "RIFLE IS FINE.  GO TO FIRING RANGE, PRACTICE WITH MANY MAGAZINE OF CARTRIDGE.
[23:01] <Kamilion> Apologies for quoted language.
[23:01] <tsimonq2> XD XD XD XD XD
[23:01] <tsimonq2> LOL
[23:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: ^^ THIS IS THE BEST OMG LOL
[23:01] <Unit193> tsimonq2, Kamilion: #lubuntu-offtopic.
[23:02] <Kamilion> I'm already there, thanks.
[23:02] <tsimonq2> me too
[23:02] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: told ya :P
[23:02] <Unit193> Right, so use it.
[23:02]  * Kamilion remains waiting for a response on which package to file bug under
[23:02] <Kamilion> I respectfully decline
[23:02] <Kamilion> I have no interest in the conversation with tsimonq2
[23:03] <krytarik> !pcmanfm-qt
[23:03] <krytarik> !info pcmanfm-qt
[23:03] <krytarik> !info pcmanfm-qt xenial
[23:03] <Kamilion> heh.
[23:03] <Kamilion> Okay, so pcmanfm-qt is the one managing the root window?
[23:03] <krytarik> Stupid default anyway. >_<
[23:03] <krytarik> Yeah.
[23:03] <Kamilion> alrighty, that's where the bug report goes.
[23:04] <Kamilion> wow, no bugs at all?
[23:04] <Kamilion> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm-qt
[23:04] <Unit193> `config channel plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease xenial
[23:04]  * Kamilion feels kinda squeamish about being the first one to file
[23:05] <Unit193> Kamilion: There's some in Debian, right? :P
[23:05] <krytarik> Unit193: Thanks.
[23:05] <Unit193> Kamilion: There's been some, at least.
[23:05] <Unit193> krytarik: Sure, it was supposed to be that way anyway.
[23:05] <krytarik> Yep.
[23:05] <Kamilion> Unit193: no idea, I don't use debian nor track it outside of "oh hey, raspberry pi says there's a new pi2 image"
[23:06] <Kamilion> I've been here with ubuntu/lubuntu since 8.04
[23:06] <Unit193> Heh.
[23:06] <Kamilion> I had 6.06 and 7.04 but never made much use
[23:06] <Kamilion> 8.04 was the first time everything JustWorked for me
[23:06] <Kamilion> ...
[23:07] <Kamilion> ARGH
[23:07] <Kamilion> and now the bug isn't happening.
[23:07] <Kamilion> huh
[23:08] <Kamilion> now it's stuck at exactly 1440x900
[23:09] <Kamilion> oh, there it goes.
[23:09] <wxl> maybe you should reboot?
[23:10] <Kamilion> pfft, what is this, microsoft? XD
[23:10] <wxl> it's called removing variables
[23:11] <Kamilion> noted
[23:12] <Kamilion> will try in a second after I file the bug
[23:44] <Kamilion> wxl: done, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm-qt/+bug/1525027
[23:45] <wxl> thx Kamilion. make sure to subscribe lubuntu packages team.
[23:45] <Kamilion> eh?
[23:45] <wxl> oh nevermind :/
[23:46] <Kamilion> wxl: subscrubed lubuntu packages team
[23:46] <wxl> yes i did :)
[23:48] <Kamilion> Oops, forgot, dates should be ISO8601
[23:48]  * Kamilion switches date from 12/10/2015 to 2015/12/10


[01:24] <pting> is there a commandline fastcgi client app? I want something similar to wget but for fastcgi
[01:51] <Monotoko> how many servers do I need to set up something that will resolve domains to my dedicated server???
[01:51] <Monotoko> I just want one server...why do I need so many?
[02:10] <patdk-lap> Monotoko, you only need one, you should have two, and really you should have 3-4 in different locations
[02:12] <Monotoko> patdk-lap, I see....is it possible to have the server I am hosting on act as a nameserver as well? Then I could have two
[02:13] <patdk-lap> yep
[02:56] <Monotoko> patdk-lap, are you still here?
[02:57] <Monotoko> seem to have got myself into a hole ><
[02:57] <twb> Monotoko: is there something we can help with?
[02:58] <Monotoko> nameservers....I have tried to set up bind9 according to the Ubuntu Server Guide. However:
[02:58] <Monotoko> PING hostinghaven.co.uk (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[02:58] <Monotoko> 64 bytes from www.domainname.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.018 ms
[02:58] <Monotoko> why is it replying from domainname.com?
[02:58] <twb> I guess because that's the canonical name
[02:59] <Monotoko> also, I have a domain pointing at the nameservers I just set up and it isn't working
[03:00] <twb> Test each component in isolation first.
[03:01] <twb> For example, is the host responding to port 80?  If so, can you manually issue a GET with a Host: foo header?
[03:01] <Monotoko> no response on port 80 using the new domain
[03:01] <twb> Don't forget that DNS updates take time to propagate through caches.
[03:01] <EvilPhoenix> indeed
[03:02] <twb> Monotoko: test it with IP first, so that you aren't relying on name resolution for that test
[03:02] <twb> printf 'GET / HTTP/0.9\rHost: example.net\r\r' | nc <IP_ADDRESS> 80
[03:03] <EvilPhoenix> i'm getting 404 errors for your domain, Monotoko
[03:03] <Monotoko> EvilPhoenix, hostinghaven.co.uk?
[03:03] <EvilPhoenix> well i was getting 404s.  Then it shows up some default page
[03:03] <EvilPhoenix> i'm reading the packets
[03:04] <twb> EvilPhoenix: he probably censored his real domain with "www.domainname.com" to annoy us and make us less likely to help
[03:04] <EvilPhoenix> i got this twice: Message: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found\r\n
[03:04] <Monotoko> twb, nope
[03:04] <EvilPhoenix> THEN i got to some landing page
[03:04] <Monotoko> its actually coming up like that
[03:04] <EvilPhoenix> titled "Default Web Site Page"
[03:04] <Monotoko> the landing page is what you should
[03:04] <Monotoko> get#
[03:04] <Monotoko> and what I am trying to get using: bestislandmusic.com
[03:04] <EvilPhoenix> well i use level3's DNS servers, and google's DNS servers (<IP_ADDRESS>, and <IP_ADDRESS> respectively)
[03:04] <EvilPhoenix> they spit me out on that landing page
[03:05] <EvilPhoenix> now THAT 404's
[03:05] <EvilPhoenix> probly because the data hasn't been propagated yet
[03:05] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/103251/ is what I get for DNS
[03:05] <Monotoko> hmmm, I'm not sure if I set up bind9 wrongly
[03:05] <chrislabeard> what do I need to set up on my server so that drupal can send mail and or wordpress?
[03:06] <chrislabeard> would that be a relay or a gateway
[03:06] <EvilPhoenix> Monotoko, i'll do a dnsget
[03:07] <EvilPhoenix> here's the pastebin i'm getting from dnsget using any dnsservers that I use: http://starfleet.pastebin.com/W66j6cfR
[03:07] <twb> Monotoko: personally I wouldn't bother hosting your own DNS records; someone like zonedit will do a better job
[03:07] <M4rotku> hey guys.  i have a really easy question.  I'm installing ubuntu server and i'm at the point at which i set up the partitions, and i feel like an idiot, but i can't for the life of me figure out how to set the boot flag for the partition.  I can see whether I should set the flag, but I can't get it to toggle.
[03:07] <EvilPhoenix> yeah ZoneEdit is good, and pretty free
[03:07] <Monotoko> twb, I'm trying to set up a host so it isn't an option
[03:08] <Monotoko> I have everything apart from DNS nailed
[03:08] <twb> Monotoko: that doesn't make any sense
[03:08] <EvilPhoenix> Monotoko:  you can EASILY use ZoneEdit for DNS
[03:09] <EvilPhoenix> its crazy easy
[03:09] <twb> M4rotku: the "boot flag" is not used by Ubuntu
[03:09] <Monotoko> hmmmm
[03:09] <M4rotku> twb, then why does it give me the option to set it within the install process?
[03:09] <twb> M4rotku: you can turn it on post-install by running "parted /dev/sda set boot 0 on" or so
[03:10] <twb> M4rotku: AFAIK it doesn't.
[03:10] <twb> M4rotku: are you using the ubuntu SERVER install media?
[03:10] <M4rotku> twb, ok, that makes sense.  i'm using the normal install cd for the 32-bit server edition 10.10
[03:11] <twb> I cannot comment on ubiquity (desktop CD) installs
[03:11] <twb> M4rotku: verbatim, what is the text you see concerning the boot flag?
[03:12] <twb> chrislabeard: any MTA will do, but postfix is probably a good choice
[03:13] <chrislabeard> twb: it seems like php out of the box can send mail from drupal using php sendmail()
[03:13] <chrislabeard> twb: but my server isn't sending anything out
[03:13] <twb> You probably have an MTA installed but not configured
[03:13] <twb> chrislabeard: aptitude search '?installed ?provides(mail-transport-agent)'
[03:14] <M4rotku> twb, don't worry about it, i think i figured it out.  thanks for your help
[03:14] <chrislabeard> twb: i   postfix                         - High-performance mail transport agent
[03:14] <twb> chrislabeard: dpkg-reconfigure -plow postfix
[03:14] <twb> chrislabeard: if you have a smarthost/gateway MTA on another host, you should pick "satellite"; otherwise you will need to set it up as a proper mailserver
[03:15] <chrislabeard> twb: oh okay so i need another mail server in conjunction with postfix?
[03:15] <chrislabeard> twb: I want to be able to get e-mail locally and remotely to other users of my sites
[03:15] <twb> chrislabeard: only if you run a whole network
[03:16] <twb> chrislabeard: if your "network" is one box, you just need to set up postfix
[03:16] <chrislabeard> twb: yeah its just one server, so what config would i pick for my situation.
[03:16] <twb> chrislabeard: "host on internet" or something?  I forget.
[03:16] <chrislabeard> internet site/
[03:16] <chrislabeard> ?
[03:17] <twb> chrislabeard: go read the ubuntu server guide, it has information about this
[03:17] <chrislabeard> twb: k
[03:18] <twb> I wish people wouldn't try to get clever in init.d scripts...
[03:18]  * twb glares at openvasd
[03:21] <Monotoko> EvilPhoenix, can I only have one domain in zoneedit before I am charged?
[03:22] <twb> Monotoko: I think it was about five
[03:23] <Monotoko> twb, this is no good...I am trying to set up a resellers hosting service for businesses
[03:24] <Monotoko> they need domains...and lots of them
[03:24] <Monotoko> which is why I was trying to set up DNS
[03:24] <twb> So factor that into your prices
[03:25] <EvilPhoenix> twb they changed it
[03:25] <EvilPhoenix> Monotoko:  you can have 3 free domains
[03:25] <EvilPhoenix> Monotoko:  before you need to pay for a plan
[03:25] <EvilPhoenix> Monotoko:  but i got in when it was 5 free domains so I have 5 :P
[03:26] <twb> Grr, I can't script openvas-adduser becaus the flipping thing uses stty
[05:44] <Error404NotFound> I copied mysql data dir from another server running gentoo, now everything is working fine except that when i start mysql i get "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)"
[05:44] <Error404NotFound> which is ofcourse true because no such user will exist for a mysql database on a gentoo, how do i fix it?
[07:09] <gobbe> well you create a new user there
[09:39] <Error404NotFound> how do i create the debian-system-maint user back in mysql?
[10:10] <sander^work> How is  it possible to have a  keyboard layout for one user other than the global one?
[10:58] <joschi> Error404NotFound: like any other user. but since you have some problems with starting your mysqld you should first try http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/resetting-permissions.html
[10:59] <Error404NotFound> joschi, got that figured out, now stuck with: http://pastebin.com/gqmiqPvM
[10:59] <Error404NotFound> even though mysql.proc is there, its complaining...
[10:59] <Error404NotFound> also tried mysql_upgrade
[11:01] <Error404NotFound> joschi, actually this: http://pastebin.com/NbbYba8s is better, sorted, and compressed, deleted irrelevant bits
[11:02] <joschi> Error404NotFound: does the stored procedure exist?
[11:03] <Error404NotFound> joschi, it should but lemme reconfirm. I am confident because this a datadir clone of where the stored procedure exists and runs fine.
[11:09] <Error404NotFound> joschi, yup, it does.
[11:12] <joschi> Error404NotFound: you could try dumping your databases (e. g. with `mysqldump`, don't copy the datadir), run mysql_secure_install (or `dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server`) and reimport your dump
[11:12] <joschi> Error404NotFound: otherwise you might have more luck in #mysql
[11:13] <Error404NotFound> joschi, haven't had any luck there.
[11:13] <Error404NotFound> also its 30G db, so mysql times out when i try to take a dump after 6G
[11:14] <joschi> Error404NotFound: raise the timeouts
[11:16] <the_eye_> I cant mount samba shares from nautilus
[11:17] <the_eye_> using smb://ip mounts ok
[11:17] <the_eye_> any help ?
[11:22] <twb> the_eye_: that's not a server question
[11:30] <the_eye_> well its about samba server
[11:31] <RoyK> the_eye_: not really
[11:32] <the_eye_> ok 2 question, I add a share in smb.conf but I cant access it. The other shares works fine
[11:32] <the_eye_> any tip here ?
[11:34] <twb> the_eye_: did you restart or reload samba after editing smb.conf?
[11:35] <twb> If you can demonstrate the mounting issue using smbclient and/or mount.cifs directly, THEN it might be a server issue.  From the description, it sounds more likely to be client-side, i.e. not-our-problem.
[11:35] <the_eye_> I restart the service, I can view the share but I cant access it
[11:35] <twb> the_eye_: perhaps you got the access rules in smb.conf incorrect, then?  Pastebin the entire smb.conf file.
[11:39] <the_eye_> Its the same configuration, you can see it at the end of file
[11:39] <the_eye_> http://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org/m28896ea5
[11:39] <the_eye_> a,b works. I cant access c
[11:41] <twb> the_eye_: what are the permissions on each of those dirs?
[11:45] <the_eye_> al, drwxr-xr-x    b,drwxrwxrwx          c, drwxr-xr-x
[11:45] <the_eye_> edit a, drwxr-xr-
[11:45] <RoyK> the_eye_: and owner/group?
[11:46] <the_eye_> all same user ownership/group
[12:57] <Skaag> I have installed mysql from binaries, but there seems to be remnants of mysql-server-5.0 which fail to remove with apt-get remove, how do I force remove it?
[12:57] <woutervddn> skaag, you are root?
[12:57] <Skaag> yes
[12:58] <woutervddn> hmm.. maybe force it to quit first..
[12:59] <Skaag> I think this worked: dpkg -r --force-all mysql-server-5.0
[12:59] <Skaag> checking..
[12:59] <Skaag> yes!
[12:59] <Skaag> excellent :)
[13:01] <twb> Skaag: remove ≠ purge
[13:01] <Skaag> lenny/sid = intrepid ibex?
[13:01] <twb> Skaag: no.
[13:01] <twb> "lenny/sid" is where Ubuntu steals most of its code from
[13:02] <twb> Try "lsb_release -a" to find out what release you're running.
[13:02] <Skaag> it says intrepid
[13:02] <Skaag> but my sources.list is all boinxed
[13:02] <twb> Fix it, then.
[13:02] <_ruben> !intrepid
[13:02] <_ruben> time to upgrade ;)
[13:02] <Skaag> I need to restore it to a sane version of the file so I can do an upgrade
[13:03] <_ruben> ah
[13:03] <Skaag> this is an old system of a friend who asked me to help him upgrade
[13:03] <Skaag> but it looks like apt-get update returns a bunch of 404's
[13:03] <_ruben> because its eol
[13:03] <twb> Ugh, openvas-nvt-sync exits with a nonzero status *when it succeeds*?!
[13:03] <Skaag> possibly because the eol
[13:03] <Skaag> yah
[13:04] <Skaag> what do I do then? :)
[13:04] <twb> _ruben: it's old-releases.u.c, right?
[13:04] <Skaag> I'll try to do-release-upgrade anyway
[13:04] <Skaag> see where that leads me
[13:04] <_ruben> twb: correct
[13:04] <twb> _ruben: hmm, does the apt mirror method know that?
[13:05] <_ruben> Skaag: replace whatever.archive.ubuntu.com with old-releases.ubuntu.com
[13:05] <_ruben> twb: i use debmirror myself, so dunnno
[13:05] <_ruben> been meaning to switch to plain rsync though
[13:05] <twb> _ruben: I use both in case the debmirror cron job breaks ;-)
[13:05] <_ruben> can't rsync old-releases.u.c though (i think)
[13:05] <_ruben> ah
[13:06] <twb> I'm talking about /var/lib/apt/methods/mirror, not the apt-mirror package
[13:06] <Skaag> _ruben: ah, thanks!
[13:06] <twb> i.e. HTTP with a a geoip dispatch provided by the canonical server
[13:07] <Skaag> _ruben: does something similar exist for the security updates?
[13:07] <_ruben> never looked at that
[13:07] <Skaag> I have this unresolved: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted
[13:07] <_ruben> Skaag: i highly doubt it, it being eol and all ;)
[13:07] <Skaag> I will try to also substitute with old-releases
[13:07] <Skaag> true
[13:07] <twb> Skaag: -hardened would know
[13:07] <_ruben> just try it or just disable it
[13:07] <twb> _ruben: but he ouhght to be able to get the already-issued patches
[13:08] <Skaag> I think it worked..!!
[13:08] <Skaag> yah
[13:08] <_ruben> wouldnt suprise me if they got "merged" into old-rel
[13:08] <Skaag> excellent :)
[13:08] <Skaag> yes apparently they merged them.
[13:08] <twb> Gumph
[13:08] <twb> Unless by "merged" you mean just the pool and not the Packages
[13:09]  * _ruben doesn't care either way
[13:09] <_ruben> one shouldn't have a need for old-releases anyway ;)
[13:09]  * _ruben makes a note to check for any servers on his network with eol'ed versions
[13:10] <twb> Granted, though *I* do use snapshots.debian.org for retrospective purposes
[13:10] <Skaag> _ruben: my own machines are always up to date... but you see, it's possible that some old buddy shows up and says "dude, help!!"
[13:10] <_ruben> i know of atleast one 7.10 server mucking around ;)
[13:10] <Skaag> and I gotta help, being a buddy and all ;-)
[13:10] <twb> e.g. when VCSizing a package, I'll import the old releases' history
[13:10] <Skaag> so this is very useful for me
[13:11] <twb> Skaag: that's why REAL sysadmins don't have buddies
[13:11] <Skaag> LOL!!!! :-)
[13:11] <_ruben> heheh
[13:11] <gobbe> :)
[13:11] <Skaag> Gotta drink beer with someone..!
[13:11]  * twb looks up definition in Bierce's dictionary...
[13:14] <twb> Humph.  All that I see is BEFRIEND, v.t. To make an ingrate.
[13:16] <woutervddn> hey guys, what is (in your opinion) the best FOSS webshop/shoppingcart out there?
[13:17] <twb> woutervddn: is "ofbiz" one of those?
[13:17] <twb> woutervddn: I suspect they all suck donkey balls, but I've yet to have the mispleasure of investigating the problem domain.
[13:18] <woutervddn> I'm testing 12 of them atm and they are all hell in their own way :p
[13:18] <woutervddn> ofbiz isn't one of those 12 so I'll give that a try also.. :)
[13:18] <twb> If it's any consolation, the little I've dealt with non-Free ones indicates they're no better
[13:19] <woutervddn> I just don't like the idea of making one from scratch.. :s
[13:19] <twb> woutervddn: if you did, you
[13:19] <woutervddn> it has to be maintained by two female designers with no experience..
[13:19] <twb> woutervddn: if you did, you'd just end up with 13 crap ones
[13:20] <twb> That is, the existing twelve, plus yours.
[13:20] <woutervddn> :p lol is that a compliment? *-)
[13:20] <woutervddn> what do you suggest then? :p
[13:22] <twb> woutervddn: my suggestion is: get a new job :-/
[13:24] <woutervddn> twb: not exactly an option
[13:32] <yann2> mmh, why would acire and python snippets try to access my keyring?
[14:42] <Genk1> hello
[14:42] <Genk1> is there someone who ever worked with openswan ?
[14:44] <pmatulis> !ask | Genk1
[14:45] <Genk1> pmatulis, ok
[22:34] <tf2ftw> ahoy hoy. using apache, If i set htaccess permissions for / , how can i allow other users in a dir such as /website
[22:34] <tf2ftw> "/" being "/var/www"
[22:39] <mymrhelpdesk> anyone have ubuntu-ltsp experience?


[00:00] <lifeless> poolie: o/
[00:00] <poolie> hi there
[00:54]  * fullermd can't believe there was a whole discussion in one nobody played the "It's not dead, it's resting" card.
[03:05] <SamB> fullermd: someone was going to do that the other way on emacs-devel, or joking about it on #emacs anyway ...
[03:06] <mwhudson> lovely plumage
[07:21] <vila> It's not dead, it's resting
[07:22] <vila> Besides, a GPL'ed software dieing is an oxymoron
[07:28]  * SamB is sad because he can't actually remember any lines from that thing ...
[07:28] <vila> SamB: It's partly up to you ;)
[07:29]  * vila reboots and bbiab
[08:09] <fayaz> hi, how can i generate a sensible diff using bzrlib?
[10:45] <jelmer> fayaz: see cmd_diff in bzrlib/builtins.py
[10:45] <jelmer> that should give you an idea of how the diff command does it
[11:30] <jelmer> hi mgz
[11:31] <mgz> hey hey!
[11:33] <jelmer> mgz: did you guys see the whole emacs discussion?
[11:37] <mgz> I haven't
[12:11] <kate`> i saw it, and i'm confused because i haven't a clue about either the history or the future for bzr
[14:25] <barry> mgz, vila, or anyone else.  is there a quick fix possible for: http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/apt.html#2012-10-12 11:49:18.303380
[14:29]  * mgz has a look
[14:29] <vila> barry: sorry, I could never find the time to understand what caused the missing chk node(s) for id_to_entry maps bugs. I vaguely remember jelmer mentioning something but I'm not sure it involved 'bzr reconcile' or some lp surgery
[14:30] <vila> barry: also, maxb may know too
[14:31] <jelmer> there are various causes for it
[14:31] <jelmer> one is caused by older versions of bzr-svn; since this is a package import, I don't think that's relevant
[14:32] <jelmer> the underlying problem is that there are two disagreeing versions of the inventory for a specific revision around
[14:33] <mgz> hm, I know the error from bzr-svn
[14:33] <mgz> hadn't seen it in code imports
[14:34] <barry> hi guys, thanks.  is there something locally i can do to the branch to rejigger it into happiness?
[14:40] <mgz> barry: not that I know of. seems bug 1138637 is the same thing. may be worth poking xnox to try a full requeue on his local setup and see if that generates a working import or not, but I suspect it's the branch history that's unhappy
[14:42] <barry> mgz: i think xnox is afk today, but thanks i'll poke him tomorrow.  thanks for taking a look
[14:47] <jelmer> barry: one of the workarounds involves creating an empty repository and pulling branches into that in the right order - so you get a consistent version of the inventories
[14:49] <barry> jelmer: i think i understand.  not sure i'll do it, but i see what you're saying
[14:58] <maxb> Hello. I'm not an expert on the id_to_entry_maps thing, but I am around if I can help with other importerish stuff
[15:00] <maxb> Is there any way to research which revision's inventory is malformed somewhere?
[15:01] <xnox> barry: poke me about what? =)
[15:02] <barry> xnox: see ^^ mgz's comment
[15:02] <xnox> barry: right. I can do that ones my server is setup ones again.
[15:03] <barry> xnox: cool, thanks
[19:21] <janos> when you register a project on LP, does it create a dedicated shared repository for the project?
[20:10] <jelmer> janos: no, they're all independent branches
[20:10] <jelmer> (though they're stacked, so you still get efficiency for having multiple related branches on launchpad)
[20:11] <janos> cool, thanks jelmer
[20:11] <janos> btw do you know the plans for the 2.6 stable release? (expected date?)
[20:15] <jelmer> well, I'm not active in the project anymore. I just hang out here to socialise :-)
[20:15] <jelmer> janos: ask jam, mgz or vila
[20:15] <janos> haha, thanks


[05:22] <zyga> good morning
[05:46] <mardy> 'morning!
[05:51] <zyga-mbp> hey mardy
[05:51] <zyga-mbp> mardy how is the mount control interface going?
[05:51] <zyga-mbp> any new insights?
[05:55] <mardy> zyga-mbp: hi! I need to do a few last clean-ups, then I'll push what I have. I believe it implements all what was asked
[05:56] <mborzecki> morning
[05:56] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: mardy hey
[05:56] <mardy> zyga-mbp: I'll keep the PR as a draft, without unit tests, and once I have the first positive feedbacks I'll split it out into smaller PRs
[05:56] <zyga-mbp> hey mborzecki
[05:57] <mardy> mborzecki: hi!
[05:57] <zyga-mbp> mardy sounds good
[05:57] <zyga-mbp> mardy may I stress the value of integration tests
[05:57] <zyga-mbp> even in the non-split form
[05:57] <zyga-mbp> mainly to re-affirm yourself that it really works
[05:57] <zyga-mbp> and that it doesn't misbehave in ways you currently do not predict
[05:57] <zyga-mbp> I think this happened to me more than I would wish to admit
[05:57] <mardy> zyga-mbp: yes, for now I've only done manual tests, but indeed we need quite a few spread tests for this
[05:57] <zyga-mbp> mardy the mount-ns test is interesting and perhaps a good starting point as an observatory
[05:58] <mardy> thanks, I'll have a look!
[05:59] <zyga-mbp> mardy: you may also consider using a feature flag to have a way to disable the new code even after it landed, but I'm not sure what's the extent where the new logic interacts with snaps not using the mechanism, so it's something you need to think about and decide yourself
[05:59] <zyga-mbp> brb, need to change places because another storm is coming
[06:10] <pstolowski> morning
[06:18] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[06:22] <zyga-mbp> hey pstolowski
[07:37] <pstolowski> pedronis: hi, quick question, fighting with asserts mocking in a test suite that didn't do this previously; does something like https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/whH7TT2jTG/ require ReplaceStore(..) in order to be happy about can0nical public key?
[07:38] <pedronis> pstolowski: not sure about the store, it might require assertstate.ReplaceDB though
[07:39] <pedronis> pstolowski: ifacestate_test.go and devicestate tests need to do that for example
[07:41] <pstolowski> pedronis: thanks, i haven't looked at those, will check
[07:48]  * pstolowski physio
[07:49] <mborzecki> close some PRs we don't need anymore since xdelta3 is fixed in master
[07:55] <mvo> 10264 (virtual config) needs a second review, it got one +1 now
[08:17] <pedronis> mborzecki: I finished reviewing  https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10510  , mostly comments about clarifications for the new test
[08:18] <pedronis> mborzecki: it probably needs reviews by a couple more people
[08:18] <mborzecki> pedronis: thanks! yeah, i'll poke people
[08:44] <pedronis> pstolowski: I did a pass on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10535# thanks
[08:53] <pstolowski> re
[08:57] <pstolowski> pedronis: thanks!
[10:03] <pstolowski> pedronis: ReplaceDB solved my issue, thanks. I proposed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10539 but there is an open question re circular dependency when this helper will be used from snapstate
[10:04] <pstolowski> ah, but maybe not, let me check something
[10:08] <pstolowski> yeah it's good after all, i didn't notice that snapasserts doesn't create the cycle with snapstate, so regular hooking works
[10:24] <mborzecki> hm any ideas if it's possible to obtain the symbol version that ld.so resolved?
[10:25] <mborzecki> i'm wondering if there's something we could actually do about CURRENT_TAGS, but since libsystemd/libudev provides no version information i think as a last resort i could inspect the versions defined in libudev.so that ld.so picked
[10:29] <mborzecki> hmmm
[10:29] <mborzecki> bit evil, but i could dlopen() and then lookup the current tags symbol that intrdouced in 247
[10:37] <pstolowski> pedronis: re CheckPresenceRequired and CheckPresenceInvalid returning errors, do you mean this for the inner cstrs.revisions loop? at this point these would be internal errors really because we shoudn't be in that state (presence should be set to conflict afaiu)?
[10:55] <pedronis> pstolowski: no, I mean for the first check
[10:55] <pedronis> pstolowski: not the inner loop
[10:55] <pstolowski> hmmm
[10:56] <pedronis> pstolowski: what should they return if the snap is the opposite of what expected globally
[10:56] <pstolowski> pedronis: is this to avoid having to call both CheckINvalid.. and CheckRequired.. ?
[10:56] <pedronis> pstolowski: is to avoid having unclear behavior
[10:57] <pstolowski> pedronis: ok, i see your point
[10:58] <mborzecki> hmm https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/compare/master...bboozzoo:bboozzoo/s-c-current-tags this is a bit nasty, but should work
[11:36] <pstolowski> pedronis: i've updated the PR (with one open point about revisions)
[11:36]  * pstolowski lunch
[13:14] <zyga> lxd socket ownership reverted to root.root after reboot
[13:15] <zyga> $ ls -ld /var/snap/lxd/common/lxd/unix.socket
[13:15] <zyga> srw-rw---- 1 root root 0 Jul 16 14:45 /var/snap/lxd/common/lxd/unix.socket
[13:39] <pstolowski> zyga: interesting; i've had lxd snap for a long time on my box (and it gets rebooted every day) and it's root:lxd
[13:40] <pstolowski> ijohnson[m]: would you find some time to review https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10515 ? it's not super urgent so next week is fine
[13:57] <ijohnson[m]> pstolowski yes I've got in on my queue now
[13:58] <pstolowski> thanks!
[14:03] <zyga> pstolowski yeah, I'm using it all the time
[14:04] <mardy> mmm... in the spread, the /usr/share directory is very different from the /usr/share directory as seen from inside "snap run --shell ..."
[14:13] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis_: thoughts on how much effort I should put into trying to write a nested spread test with cloud-init maas cfg ? I could just put config files sort of like what maas writes out onto ubuntu-seed, but I fear setting up maas in gce will be possibly a bit of effort
[14:13] <ijohnson[m]> sorry I mean I could just put the files there and check that the files get filtered and put into the right place as an easy thing, but actually checking that maas is able to provision the image will be more work
[14:13] <pedronis_> ijohnson[m]: I would avoid setting up MAAS there
[14:13] <ijohnson[m]> ack
[14:14] <pedronis_> also because I expect it would be very slow as well as fragile (and complex)
[14:14] <ijohnson[m]> it's also unfortunate since to test this, we need to use nested vm's and my favorite nemesis, the fakestore
[14:14] <ijohnson[m]> but we have other nested cloud-init tests which use fakestore so hopefully not too bad
[14:26] <mardy> how can I inspect a mount namespace? that is, see what are the differences compared to the outer namespace
[14:28] <zyga> mardy: do you have a moment
[14:28] <zyga> I can show you around
[14:28] <zyga> mardy perhaps a quick HO?
[14:30] <mardy> zyga: oh, that would be fantastic!
[14:31] <zyga> mardy: if you have time now is good
[14:31] <mardy> I do :-)
[14:31] <zyga> cool
[14:31] <zyga> https://meet.google.com/twb-jidi-eii
[14:55] <mardy> zyga: that was super cool of you, thanks again!
[18:07] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: I reviewed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10536 , mostly suggesting a clarification for somet preexisting behavior that was more evident with the new code
[18:07] <pedronis> s/was/is/
[18:30] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis ack thanks for the review, will take a look after my lunch
[22:29] <futuretim> shouldn't a newly installed snapd make a serial-request?
[22:34] <ijohnson[m]> futuretim snapd only requests a serial when the device is seeded
[22:34] <ijohnson[m]> It doesn't get a new serial when the snap is refreshed
[22:34] <futuretim> i mean: system does not have snapd -> system has snapd -> shouldn't a serial-request be made?
[22:49] <ijohnson[m]> snapd still needs to seed itself, if you just install snapd through distro pkg, you won't automatically have any snaps so snapd just shuts itself down
[23:11] <futuretim> hmm, still have not seen one


[17:00] <Ursinha> #startmeeting
[17:00] <Ursinha> Welcome to this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating the resolution of specific Launchpad bugs and issues.
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:00. The chair is Ursinha.
[17:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:00] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[17:00] <Ursinha> Not on the Launchpad Dev team? Welcome! Come "me" with the rest of us!
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll Call
[17:00] <gmb> me
[17:00] <gary_poster> me
[17:00] <Ursinha> me
[17:00] <matsubara> me
[17:01] <Ursinha> Chex, sinzui, rockstar, hello
[17:01]  * rockstar
[17:01] <bigjools> me
[17:01] <Ursinha> Chex and sinzui are missing
[17:01] <Chex> me
[17:02] <Ursinha> :)
[17:02] <Ursinha> only sinzui
[17:02] <Ursinha> let's move on, try to break rockstar's last week record
[17:02] <Ursinha> :)
[17:02] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] Agenda
[17:02] <Ursinha>  * Actions from last meeting
[17:02] <Ursinha>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[17:02] <Ursinha>  * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[17:02] <Ursinha>  * DBA report (stub)
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[17:02] <Ursinha>  * QA stats of the week
[17:02] <Ursinha>  * Proposed items
[17:02] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Actions from last meeting
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Actions from last meeting
[17:02] <Ursinha> None
[17:02] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[17:02] <Ursinha> only one bug, soyuz
[17:03] <Ursinha> bigjools must love me
[17:03] <Ursinha> bigjools, I see the last noodles' comment in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/580181, do you know if that's being tracked and fixed in another bug or one needs to be filed?
[17:03] <bigjools> it's in progress
[17:03] <bigjools> Ursinha: it needs a new bug
[17:03] <Ursinha> bigjools, so soyuz has two, this one and the critical
[17:03] <bigjools> heh
[17:03] <Ursinha> bigjools, I'll file one right after this meeting
[17:03] <sinzui> me
[17:03] <bigjools> cheers
[17:04] <Ursinha> bigjools, bug 589073 is in progress?
[17:04] <Ursinha> is it really critical?
[17:04] <bigjools> Ursinha: yes, jelmer should have set that in progress ;)
[17:04] <bigjools> I don't think it is actually, I'll downgrade it
[17:04] <Ursinha> thanks bigjools
[17:05] <Ursinha> we have two critical bugs, one soyuz, one foundations, both being worked on then
[17:05] <Ursinha> failing scripts are retry-depwait, that's being fixed by bigjools, and karma-update, allocate-revision-karma and others that, according to spm's email, are failing because nightly.sh is taking about 36 hours to run
[17:05] <Ursinha> Is anyone taking care of this?
[17:05] <bigjools> retrydepwait is fixed and released
[17:06] <Ursinha> bigjools, right, cool
[17:06] <Ursinha> last failure was yesterday
[17:06] <Ursinha> gary_poster, about nightly.sh, is that foundations' domain?
[17:06] <sinzui> Ursinha, I think nightly.sh is/was a victim of the master/slave issue
[17:07] <Ursinha> sinzui, right
[17:07] <Ursinha> sinzui, it failed yesterday again
[17:07] <sinzui> nightly.sh has no owner. The losas do a lot of tinkering with it and they do not think they should
[17:07] <gary_poster> nominally foundations then I suppose
[17:07] <gary_poster> :-/
[17:08] <sinzui> Since it takes 36 hours to run, we would expect it to fail even after the db was fixed
[17:08] <rockstar> It's a good thing that days are longer than 36 hours so that it can actually run nightly...
[17:08] <sinzui> Another failure to run on time would be worrisome and will warrant further investigation
[17:09] <gary_poster> agreed
[17:09] <Ursinha> yeah, right
[17:09] <gary_poster> And I certainly have not regarded nightly.sh as a foundations responsibility.  I guess that needs to change.  Ursinha, please do help me kick myself about this :-)
[17:09] <gary_poster> but for now I think we can move on
[17:09] <Ursinha> gary_poster, sure
[17:10] <Ursinha> :)
[17:10] <Ursinha> good
[17:10] <matsubara> I don't think nightly.sh should be exclusively foundations
[17:10] <sinzui> gary_poster, rockstar, other than the karma-cache update, I think everything in nightly can be parallelised.
[17:10] <matsubara> I think the losas are pretty good at identifying which scripts run by nightly.sh are the worst offenders and then the responsible team should take care of that script
[17:10] <sinzui> the scripts in it belong to code, bugs, translations, and registry
[17:11] <matsubara> taking the last run for example, package cache and bugtask target names are the worst offenders
[17:11] <gary_poster> matsubara: no, but if no-one is in charge of something, historically that means foundations.  I'd certainly like it if losas could take that ownership though
[17:11] <sinzui> and soyuz then
[17:11] <matsubara> so malone and soyuz(?) should take care of those first
[17:12] <sinzui> Most failures are spurious.
[17:12] <Ursinha> matsubara, sinzui, gary_poster, what do you think about discussing that in the email spm sent? this way we can be sure everyone else can join the discussion
[17:12] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[17:12] <sinzui> The 9 times out of 10, the last proc ran late because of something else run in the sequence
[17:13] <Ursinha> ok, so I'll move on
[17:13] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[17:13] <Chex> hello everyone, short report this week:
[17:13] <Chex>  - LP incidents of note, quiet week:
[17:13] <Chex>         : Jun 08: lpnet15 died, restarted
[17:13] <Chex>         : Jun 10 : poppy on germanium had died (process died) - restarted
[17:14] <Chex> Us LOSAs are now searching on Canonical-losas -tagged bugs, here:
[17:14] <Chex> https://pastebin.canonical.com/33309/
[17:14] <Chex> I am curious about status of: 45419      Launchpad needs a way of easily flagging spam
[17:14] <Chex> In the future I will try to bring up critical LP related bugs from this list, to see progress and such, and see if you need any help from us at all.
[17:14] <Ursinha> bug 45419?
[17:15] <Ursinha> gary_poster should know that ^
[17:15] <gary_poster> Foundations does not have that anywhere in our plans ATM.
[17:15] <Ursinha> right..
[17:15] <Chex> gary_poster: ok, fair enough, then
[17:16] <Ursinha> anyone else has questions to Chex?
[17:16] <gary_poster> Chex, that doesn't mean you can't/shouldn't make a stink about that fact :-)
[17:16] <sinzui> If this is a foundations issue, we schema a behavioural changes made near/on IMessage so that all types of messages get the desired feature
[17:16] <Chex> gary_poster: aha, ok then.  It is a time-consuming task for us, and having a automated spam-reporting/tagging feature would be highly useful to us
[17:17] <Ursinha> ok, moving on
[17:17] <Ursinha> thanks Chex
[17:17] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * DBA report (stub)
[17:17] <Ursinha> Already requested
[17:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  * DBA report (stub)
[17:17] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * QA stats of the week
[17:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  * QA stats of the week
[17:17] <Ursinha> I followed up the bugs' ownership in the mailing list
[17:18] <gary_poster> Chex: spam-reporting: mars and sinzui have the expertise here.  I'll try to coordinate with them.
[17:18] <sinzui> I had a plan
[17:18] <rockstar> sinzui, it's because you're a Cylon.
[17:18] <sinzui> a comprehensive one infact
[17:18] <gmb> Was it a cunning plan?
[17:19] <sinzui> That would explain why I can do so long without sleep
[17:19] <matsubara> heheh
[17:19] <sinzui> It had a tail like a fox
[17:19]  * gary_poster chuckles
[17:19] <gmb> Any more pop-culture references we can fit in here?
[17:19] <Ursinha> hahaha
[17:19] <sinzui> We seem to have missed monthy python
[17:19] <sinzui> Monty Python
[17:20] <sinzui> I will include that in my email to gary_poster and maris
[17:20] <Ursinha> thanks sinzui hehe
[17:20] <gary_poster> thanks sinzui
[17:20] <Ursinha> moving on again then
[17:20] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Proposed items
[17:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Proposed items
[17:20] <Ursinha> I have one
[17:21] <Ursinha> we know that this meeting's format isn't ideal, and we couldn't find a way to change it to become really useful
[17:21] <Ursinha> we also realized the qa contacts initiative isn't that effective as we thought in the beginning
[17:21] <rockstar> Ursinha, for the code team, the only things that are really useful for us are the DB and LOSA reports.
[17:21] <Ursinha> rockstar, yeah, I'm getting there :)
[17:22] <rockstar> "Shutting up sir"
[17:22] <Ursinha> haha no
[17:22] <Ursinha> so, after talking with flacoste, we decided to get rid of this meeting as we know
[17:22] <sinzui> I care about the oopses actually. Since I read them every day I like to know when they will be closed or provide info about how to close them
[17:22] <Ursinha> pause for cheering and etc
[17:22] <rockstar> Ursinha, so we're doing away with it entirely?
[17:23] <Ursinha> rockstar, yeah
[17:23] <bigjools> *golfclap*
[17:23] <Ursinha> sinzui, as a replacement, there will be created a section in the TLs meeting, a QA one
[17:23] <Ursinha> and me and matsubara should attend
[17:23] <Ursinha> we'll keep discussing that with the TLs, so sinzui, you'll still know about the oopses
[17:23] <sinzui> sweet. I wonder if the meeting will go back over an hour again
[17:24] <Ursinha> and bigjools, you won't get rid of us
[17:24] <Ursinha> *evil laugh*
[17:24] <Ursinha> :P
[17:24] <gary_poster> :-)
[17:24] <bigjools> :)
[17:24] <Ursinha> about the LOSAs and DBA report
[17:24] <Ursinha> a weekly report should be sent to the list, so we'll all keep posted about it
[17:24] <Ursinha> so, that's it
[17:25] <Chex> ok, sounds good, I can do that.
[17:25] <rockstar> Ursinha, maybe we can have a [QA] subject addition for QA related items.
[17:25] <Ursinha> thanks a lot Chex, losa's reports are really important
[17:25] <rockstar> (I suspect I'll still have to deal with QA stuff within my team)
[17:26] <Ursinha> rockstar, well, it should be dealt with whoever attends the TLs meeting in behalf of code
[17:26] <Chex> Ursinha: yes I understand that, it helps us, too. I will try to pop my head in on the TLS meetings, too,
[17:26] <Ursinha> is that you?
[17:26] <rockstar> Ursinha, no.
[17:26] <Ursinha> rockstar, so I guess you will only have to worry about your own QA from now on
[17:26] <rockstar> Ursinha, okay.
[17:27] <Ursinha> that's all then
[17:27] <Ursinha> anyone else wants to add something?
[17:28] <Ursinha> okay
[17:28] <Ursinha> so, it was very nice to have you for these two years in this weekly meeting
[17:28] <Ursinha> thanks all
[17:28] <gary_poster> thank you Ursinha :-)
[17:28] <Ursinha> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. See https://dev.launchpad.net/MeetingAgenda for the logs.
[17:28] <gary_poster> bye
[17:28] <Ursinha> #endmeeting
[17:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:28.
[17:45] <Ursinha> sinzui, I thought the irc meeting was postponed in one hour to avoid conflicting with the TLs call
[17:46] <sinzui> Ursinha, oh yes, it was. We changed the meeting format a short while ago to avoid the extra meeting on Thursday
[17:46] <Ursinha> sinzui, oh, I see


[02:48] <bcurtiswx> hey, anyone here?
[02:48] <bcurtiswx> http://aurora.gmu.edu/~bcurtis/files/out-1.ogv
[02:48] <bcurtiswx> see how the notify bubble goes blurry.. i have desktop effects off
[02:59] <ryanprior> bcurtiswx: that is strange. Mine doesn't do that. Any idea what makes it reproducible?
[02:59] <bcurtiswx> ryanprior: appears only to be if desktop effects are turned off, karmic fully updated
[02:59] <bcurtiswx> someone in -bugs said it may be with some blur-cache that was changed in todays updates
[03:02] <bcurtiswx> doesn't appear (right now) to be intel chip specific
[03:02] <ryanprior> I'm on fully-updated no-desktop-effects Jaunty
[03:02] <ryanprior> and I don't see it
[03:02] <ryanprior> so I suppose it's only a karmic thing
[03:03] <bcurtiswx> yeah, im on a karmic install
[04:49] <mac_v> bcurtiswx:  MacSlow implemented a new blur effect , recently for karmic
[04:50] <bcurtiswx> so i wonder if thats supposed to shutoff when effects are not enabled, but isn't quite doing that
[04:50] <mac_v> maybe he hasnt tested it without desktop effects..
[04:51] <mac_v> bcurtiswx:  <MacSlow> uff -> http://macslow.net/clips/notify-osd-with-all-new-rendering.ogv
[04:51] <mac_v> not sure if it is still active
[04:51] <mac_v> the link ^
[04:57] <bcurtiswx> it is
[04:57] <bcurtiswx> mac_v, thx
[08:49] <mac_v> MacSlow: Hi... you might wanna check this out> <bcurtiswx> http://aurora.gmu.edu/~bcurtis/files/out-1.ogv
[08:49] <mac_v> [07:18] <bcurtiswx> see how the notify bubble goes blurry.. i have desktop effects off
[08:49] <MacSlow> mac_v, that has already been filed
[08:50] <mac_v> oh... ok
[08:50] <MacSlow> that's a regressino from the blur-cache on the non-composite case, which I did not yet have to to work on
[12:50]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[14:47] <mccann> Hey MacSlow
[14:48] <MacSlow> hey mccann
[14:49] <mccann> MacSlow: didn't you have some clutter icon grid widget where dragging icons around bumped others out of the way?  I thought I remembered you showing one of those...
[14:49] <MacSlow> mccann, no... I never wrote something like that
[14:50] <MacSlow> mccann, you might mix that up with lowfat and my first gdm-face-browser concepts
[14:51] <mccann> ah maybe
[14:53] <mccann> MacSlow: are you aware of any code that does this sort of thing?
[14:54] <MacSlow> mccann, hm... I think to remember something like that in the clutter sources in the box2d module (or a test-case for it)
[15:42] <SiDi> MacSlow: configure.in:56: warning: macro `AM_PATH_GTK_2_0' not found in library  any idea what this is ? lp:notify-osd trunk on jaunty amd64
[15:43] <MacSlow> SiDi, missing automake headers for gtk+?
[15:43] <MacSlow> libgtk2.0-dev
[15:43] <MacSlow> or so
[15:45] <SiDi> MacSlow: thanks, you were right :)
[15:45] <SiDi> i completely forgot i cleaned all my dev packages two days ago
[16:01] <tedg> SiDi: You can do "apt-get build-dep notify-osd" and that should get all the build dependencies.
[16:01] <SiDi> tedg: too late, i installed them all :D
[16:03] <tedg> MacSlow: See, you answered an autotools question, you're becoming an expert! ;)
[16:14] <MacSlow> tedg, "auch ein blindes Huhn findet mal ein Korn"
[16:14] <MacSlow> tedg, I don't know how that saying goes in English I'm afraid
[16:15] <tedg> MacSlow: Heh, I'll just assume it is "I love autotools" ;)
[16:15] <MacSlow> pathetic try tedg :)
[16:17] <tedg> MacSlow: I think that Google translate has "Mirco has a good sense of smell" :)
[16:21] <mac_v> MacSlow: "even a blind chicken finds a grain at times" nice one... :)