[07:04] <Travesty> anyone know how I can grep a skype username ip address when resolver isn't working?
[14:45] <holstein> Travesty: you will have to get skype support from the creators of skype.. its not open, so you may not be able to "grep" what you need
[15:24] <celesteh> anybody got experience with a nanokontrol (or other midid faders) and ardour?
[15:24] <holstein> celesteh: should be plug and play
[15:29] <celesteh> how do i map the faders and knobs to fader and pan automation? The buttons are working, at least
[15:30] <holstein> celesteh: i would follow the suggestions las gave in #ardour .. you can also try #opensourcemusicians
[15:33] <celesteh> the suggestions work for the buttons only....
[15:36] <holstein> celesteh: i would fire up "sooperlooper".. it has a nice easy learn function.. i would see if i can get the software working with the hardware, and take note of how the automated learn feature supports it, if it does..
[16:20] <ParadoxGuitarist> I have some questions about the kernel you guys are using. I was under the impression that you guys supplied an RT kernel
[16:20] <ParadoxGuitarist> But I guess it's no longer an rt kernel but a low latency?
[16:32] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: correct
[16:32] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: there are many kernels officially provided in the default ubuntu repos
[16:33] <holstein> there is many generic ones of various versions.. and the lowlatency that ubuntustuduio ships
[16:33] <ParadoxGuitarist> What the difference in how it's compiled compared to the rt kernel?
[16:33] <holstein> one can always, and is welcome to add their own custom RT kernel.. or, use one via PPA, such as falktx's kxstudio PPA
[16:33] <holstein> !ppa
[16:33] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: yes
[16:33] <ParadoxGuitarist> realtime scheduling?
[16:34] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: as far as for the end user, i suggest trying the one that ships.. if you need to go one way or the other, you are welcome to
[16:34] <holstein> i suggest looking at what your latency needs are,and find a balance
[16:34] <holstein> the lowlatency is a nice balance between audio performance, and supporting "normal" desktop use
[16:35] <ParadoxGuitarist> Is there any documentation about what how they're actually compiled differently?
[16:35] <holstein> the need for an RT kernel is becoming less and less all the time, since the main generic kernel is becoming more and more able to support lower latency by default
[16:35] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: im sure there is
[16:35] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: i dont develop, nor compile a kernel.. i dont plan to ever compile a kernel
[16:36] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: i grab the provided tools, and test with my hardware
[16:36] <ParadoxGuitarist> What version of the kernel are you on?
[16:36] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: you can have different outcome based on many variables
[16:36] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: i use the lowlatency that ships with ubuntustuduio 14.04
[16:36] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: in 12.04, i had a generic, and an RT from ppa that i would choose between at boot
[16:37] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: in 10.04, that shipped with the RT kernel from 9.10
[16:37] <ParadoxGuitarist> holstein: I ask because I want compile my own but I don't want to reinvent the wheel on what patches or switches I'm using.
[16:37] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: i find, i get *very* similar results with my well supported ffado firewire device with current lowlantecy kernel and older RT kernels
[16:37] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: i dont think there is any need for you to compile your own kernel
[16:38] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: there are *many* PPA's taht provide an RT kernel should you want to try one
[16:39] <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm glad to hear that ffado is working for you. I have some firewire devices but I'm always too worried to try to get things working on top of JACK that I never bothered.
[16:39] <holstein> either they support linux, or they dont.. my device has support
[16:40] <holstein> i am capable of 1.2 ms latency with the latest stock kernel
[16:40] <holstein> i have different latency settings based on my needs.. different jack profiles
[16:40] <ParadoxGuitarist> holstein: the system I need to run the kernel on isn't Debian based, so I can't just try them out. I just want to know why/how you guys compile your kernel.
[16:41] <ParadoxGuitarist> how many xruns do you get with the 1.2ms ?
[16:41] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: i have a zero xrun policy
[16:41] <ParadoxGuitarist> that's awesome
[16:41] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: i get *no* xruns at 1.2ms with 8 tracks tracked overnight at 24/96
[16:41] <holstein> thats my personal test
[16:42] <holstein> ParadoxGuitarist: i would try a general linux channel.. or a kernel mailing list
[16:44] <ParadoxGuitarist> Well I should be able to get a build file or something I just don't know where to look.
[16:45] <ParadoxGuitarist> Actually, I'll just email Alessio.
[16:45] <ParadoxGuitarist> looks like he's the maintainer.
[16:45] <ParadoxGuitarist> thanks holstein
[16:47] <holstein> was the maintainer..
[22:15] <zequence> holstein: Alessio was never the maintainer of -lowlatency while in the Ubuntu repos (except for the first version)
[22:15] <zequence> I took over that, and have been maintaining those ever since


[01:45] <viglesias> hey guys i have the developer preview installed on my tf300t, wondering if it would be possible to flash (lets say) a regular precise root fs onto it
[05:50] <sam_> hi
[06:54] <Mirv> ubuntu-sdk metapackage updated for SDK PPA users. nothing notable, just some dependencies that are needed and not all people had automatically
[07:00] <kihtrak778> hello
[07:00] <kihtrak778> need help?
[07:02] <Mirv> kihtrak778: what kind problem you're facing?
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[07:28] <weja55> 大家好
[07:44] <mpt> dobey, window ("surface") management is katie and myself. I don't know whether anyone has oversight on multitasking in general.
[07:46] <popey> \o/ Image number 95 means we've looped back round to Feb 21st.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5597722/
[08:38] <ganjalife> hello I have a question
[08:39] <ganjalife> Puedo utilizar la version de ubuntu touch para instalarla desde el recovery mode de un movil?
[08:39] <ganjalife> I can use the touch version of ubuntu to install from the recovery mode of a mobile?
[08:41] <ogra_> see the install wiki page :)
[08:41] <ogra_> (yes you can if there is a port for your device)
[08:43] <didrocks> mmrazik: hey! it seems that raring/unity.cfg (and I guess then head/unity.cfg) configs have not been deployed for the ci part? I don't see the /raring branches getting merged
[08:43] <mmrazik> didrocks: they were not. somebody needs to tell us :-) I deployed it this morning but the arm build is taking ages
[08:43] <didrocks> mmrazik: I thought mterry coordinated with Francis on it…
[08:44] <mmrazik> didrocks: I didn't find any jobs in jenkins
[08:44] <mmrazik> but will check with him later today
[08:44] <didrocks> thanks mmrazik :)
[08:44] <ogra_> popey, hmm, that looks slightly wrong,, you shouldnt have any quantal bits in there at all
[08:45] <ogra_> popey, i fear serguiens doesnt wipe the download dirs  .... worth filing a bug
[08:46] <ogra_> he should better use the cdimage numbering since thats  properly incrementing
[08:46] <popey> the quantal bits are from the old builds back in feb
[08:46] <ogra_> yeah
[08:46] <popey> i haven't deleted anything from downloads/phablet-flash since then
[08:46] <ogra_> and you have a download dir called 95 i suppose
[08:47] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ du -hs Downloads/phablet-flash/
[08:47] <popey> 18G	Downloads/phablet-flash/
[08:47] <popey> yes
[08:47] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5597813/
[08:47] <ogra_> right, to avoid confusion phablet-flash shpuld use the cdimage notation ... since it is unlikely that we will have a date twice :)
[08:48] <popey> well, this isn't likely to happen again is it?
[08:48] <ogra_> the jenkins# can always be reset
[08:48] <popey> I dunno maybe the counter will get reset when jenkins moves to another box or something
[08:48] <ogra_> right
[08:49] <popey> bug 1157710
[08:49] <popey> ☻
[08:49] <hans863> hey, newbie here. i am able to launch my ubuntu touch app in ubuntu desktop, but i am unable to deploy it to my device (nexus7 with ubuntu touch). anyone want to help me out?
[08:50] <hans863> i am running ubuntu (desktop) as a virtual machine on my macbook pro using virtualbox, and the nexus7 is mounted to ubuntu correctly
[08:52] <ganjalife> If I install ubuntu rom on my device, the recovery will be deleted or will not suffer damage?
[08:52]  * ogra_ subscribes
[08:53] <ganjalife> to see if I could recover a android backup?
[08:53] <hans863> @ganjalife You can use multiboot http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2120529
[10:37] <om26er> is there a way to set static ip on the utouch ? dynamic ip does not work with my router
[10:38] <ogra_> probably through /etc/network/.interfaces
[11:06] <netcurli> popey: ping
[11:10] <popey> netcurli: pong
[11:10] <popey> jppiiroi1en: bug 1172243
[11:11] <netcurli> I have fixed some things in my akari app
[11:11] <popey> oh awesome
[11:11] <netcurli> can you update that in the ppa?
[11:11] <popey> sure
[11:11] <jppiiroi1en> popey: ack
[11:12] <jppiiroi1en> popey: that is a bug in the weather app project
[11:12] <jppiiroi1en> the pro and qmlproject files should have the same name as the folder
[11:13] <popey> jppiiroi1en: excellent, can you leave a comment and we can re-assign it
[11:13] <jppiiroi1en> sure
[11:19] <mpt> "Connect to wi-fi networks automatically: (*) Whenever available  ( ) Only if previously used  ( ) Only if secured  ( ) Never"
[11:19] <mpt> I wonder if/how that should be simplified
[11:20] <dun1982> We'll what about "Whenever available | Only if previously used"?
[11:20] <dun1982> That way you tackle all the possibilities. Either connect anytime anywhere where possible, or to networks that you have previously been able to connect and aquire ip.
[11:21] <dun1982> Third option in that is that you can turn the wifi-adapter on/off :)
[11:21] <dun1982> So those two options are available only when wifi-adapter is turned on ofcourse.
[11:21] <mpt> hmm
[11:23] <mpt> Dropping the last two of those four would mean you couldn't say "Yeah, I'm happy to do this stuff on my company's network, but if that network goes down I don't want it automatically switching to the Starbucks wi-fi downstairs"
[11:23] <mpt> (Assuming you'd previously used the Starbucks wi-fi for recreational purposes)
[11:24] <dun1982> We'll in europe you have quite often unlimited data from 3g/4g anyway, so that might not be the question.
[11:25] <dun1982> But then again, it is basically up to user to decide what is more important. Unsecured wifi access (previously used) or any connection available.
[11:26] <dun1982> Many companies limit the access to public unsecured wifi's in ISB-policies, so it is employees problem if they share information that they should not share.
[11:28] <mpt> Easier for an employee to follow a policy if the phone takes care of it for them. :-)
[11:30] <mpt> but I don't want a big chunk of connection options pushing the list of networks down the "Wi-Fi" screen of System Settings
[11:31] <mpt> Maybe it can go out to a secondary screen
[11:56] <chris123> morning.  when I "sudo apt-get install openssh-server" on the Touch, it asks for the password.... what is the root password on the Touch?
[11:57] <chris123> phablet@localhost:~$ sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[11:57] <netcurli> chris123: the password of the user phablet is phablet
[11:57] <chris123> i should have guessed that
[11:57] <chris123> what a horrible hacker i am
[11:58] <chris123> thanks!
[11:58] <Mirv> Qt Creator is being updated in the SDK PPA now. That means Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and 12.10 users will get the same newest Ubuntu plugin that was uploaded to 13.04 last week.
[12:05] <chris123> chris@ubuntu:~$ ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: No route to host
[12:05] <chris123> i tried this yesterday and also got "no route to host"
[12:07] <chris123> oops, never mind
[12:07] <chris123> from the wording on the instructions I thought that /proc was optional or an "alternative"
[12:34] <popey> Mirv: excellent!
[12:34] <popey> Mirv: lemme know if you need testing in VMs or anything
[12:44] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: does the container switch on your N4?
[12:45] <shadeslayer> er, does the container switch *work* on your N4
[12:45] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: not sure yet.  now that the phone is not rebooting -- need to get back to it
[12:45] <shadeslayer> okay
[12:46] <shadeslayer> for some reason my X starts but I get nothing on the display
[12:54] <Mirv> popey: I don't need further smoke testing but of course real development use feedback to the SDK team is always welcome
[12:55] <Mirv> I know there are more fixes brewing in the plugin already, nine new commits and some branch work at https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins
[13:01] <nik90> Mirv: I have both 12.04 and 13.04. I will help with the testing of qtcreator :)
[13:03] <popey> thanks nik90 ☻
[13:03] <Mirv> nik90: whoo, thanks! :)
[13:08] <mhall119> good morning
[13:09] <popey> morning mhall119
[13:13] <tunubu> hi all
[13:13] <tunubu> how proceed the progress of the work of ubuntu touch on the nexus 7?
[13:14] <popey> tunubu: hi, not sure I understand your question?
[13:15] <tunubu> popey: i see the known issues page and found a bit of things not working yet, my questions was about the work proceed on it
[13:16] <popey> tunubu: we send updates out to the ubuntu-phone mailing list when significant things change.. https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/
[13:16] <nik90> mhall119: got a question for you
[13:18] <tunubu> popey: ah thanks for the anwser
[13:18] <nik90> mhall119, popey : I found a javascript library which would help the clock-app, so to use it I need to include it in the clock-app package source code. The developer is releasing it under BSD license. How would we go about using it? Do we relicense it or something? or just it as it is?
[13:19] <tunubu> popey: i'll subscribe the list to get updates but why not update the official page instead?
[13:20] <nik90> tunubu: which official page are you referring to?
[13:20] <ogra_> tunubu, because someone has to commit to do it ... do you volunteer ?
[13:20] <popey> tunubu: we review the wiki pages periodically, and will certainly update when appropriate, is there something you've spotted which is incorrect?
[13:20] <ogra_> nik90, i guess release notes
[13:20] <mhall119> nik90: if it's BSD license, we should be okay as long as we follow BSD for that lib
[13:21] <mhall119> nik90: does it give enough benefit to warrant the added dependency?
[13:21] <mhall119> nik90: excellent blog post, by the way
[13:23] <nik90> mhall119: thnx
[13:23] <nik90> mhall119: I am not sure about the added dependency..I have never done something like this before..
[13:24] <mhall119> nik90: what would you gain from using this lib?
[13:24] <nik90> mhall119: oh yeah it is one file comprising of about 1000 lines of code which calculates the sunrise/sunset mathematically
[13:24] <nik90> mhall119: so we wouldn't need an online API and would be very beneficial
[13:26] <mhall119> nik90: ah, if it's accurate then it sounds like a good thing to use
[13:26] <ZDmitry> mhall119: good morning. Thanks to your and tmoenicke's help I fixed issue with virtual keyboad!
[13:26] <tunubu> thanks for the answers
[13:26] <tunubu> i'm studying for gsoc nowaday so i have a load of work a bit too high(with university studies too) to get too much projects
[13:27] <tunubu> i'll do if my projects will go wrong for the summer
[13:28] <tunubu> of code
[13:28] <tunubu> othrwise thanks for the propose
[13:30] <nik90> mhall119: I contacted the developer..he seems excited to see it part of Ubuntu Touch. His website sunCalc.net is based on his library as well
[13:31] <ZDmitry> mhall119: so ubuntu-terminal-app with konsole-qml-plugin can be used on device now (if someone hasn't ssh access for some reason)
[13:36] <mhall119> ZDmitry: cool, I'm compiling the plugin now
[13:36] <mhall119> nik90: looks like you have a fan on G+ :)
[13:37] <popey> ZDmitry: ooh!
[13:37] <Oranger> mhall119: Hey ! Do I need to "localize" all date in docviewer app ?
[13:37] <Oranger> *dates
[13:38] <popey> we had this question for the calendar too iirc
[13:38] <popey> qt.locale()
[13:39] <popey> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-internationalization.html  6. Internationalize Dates, Times and Currencies
[13:39] <Oranger> popey: Wow thank !
[13:39] <popey> Oranger: see above, or you could make an opinionated decision that the date should be ISO-8601 (AS IT SHOULD BE!) :D
[13:40] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601
[13:40] <mhall119> Oranger: popey knows best :)
[13:40] <popey> ISO knows best
[13:40] <Oranger> yes I see ^^'
[13:40] <nik90> mhall119: hehe
[13:40]  * nik90 is delighted!
[13:41] <Oranger> yy-mm-dd, grrr, the french way to write down date is best :p
[13:41] <Oranger> dd-mm-yyyy make more sense :p
[13:42] <ogra_> ah, french isnt dd-wine-mm-cheese-yyyy ?
[13:42] <mhall119> ZDmitry: how can I build and test the terminal from local directory, rather than installing a package?
[13:42] <Oranger> ogra_: No, it's wine-cheese-wine-cheese, no time for date !
[13:43] <ogra_> haha
[13:44] <ZDmitry> mhall119: qmake && make, then sudo make install
[13:45] <mhall119> ZDmitry: why make install?  Can I not just point qmlscene to it when running the ubuntu-terminal-app.qml?
[13:45] <sergiusens> Oranger: yyyy-mm-dd allows easier ordering
[13:47] <ogra_> as long as its not US style all is fine imho
[13:47]  * ogra_ still waits for the US to declare mm:ss:hh a valid time to match their date settings
[13:47] <Oranger> sergiusens: Yes but dd-mm-yyyy show you most important things first.
[13:48] <sergiusens> Oranger: hmmm.... it's just a matter of opinion in the end ;-)
[13:48] <ZDmitry> mhall119: sorry, but You can't do that. There are some assets (color-schemes, etc.), that would be installed to directory with *.so. But anyway You can try.
[13:48] <sergiusens> didrocks: approve that :-) -> https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/cupstream2distro-config/quantal_less/+merge/160506
[13:48] <Oranger> sergiusens: Yes, an endless debate :)
[13:49] <sergiusens> didrocks: also, going to add the unity-daily-next ppa to the build config or we won't pick up on the hud change... it _is_ working, right?
[13:50] <sergiusens> didrocks: also wanted to come back with the question of why the shell isn't daily releasing...
[13:57] <mhall119> ZDmitry: got it working, this is great!
[13:57] <mhall119> now I need to put it on my tablet
[13:58] <sergiusens> didrocks: also, we have a big conflict, I can't consume from that PPA if you mix unity legacy with unity ng
[14:00] <popey> mhall119: is it packaged? ☻
[14:00] <ZDmitry> mhall119: I'm glad so ^^
[14:01] <ZDmitry> popey: You mean plugin and terminal? I have packages of them...
[14:01] <popey> can't wait to play with this too
[14:01] <mhall119> popey: it can be, I'm running locally still
[14:01] <mhall119> popey: don't wait: https://code.launchpad.net/~hiroshidi
[14:02] <popey> heh
[14:04] <mhall119> ZDmitry: popey: I've created a new series on Launchpad under ubuntu-terminal-app for the Plugin
[14:04] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/plugin
[14:04] <mhall119> I've copied ZDmitry's plugin branch there as well
[14:04] <mhall119> fginther: ping
[14:05] <fginther> mhall119, pong
[14:05] <ZDmitry> mhall119: good
[14:05] <mhall119> fginther: we have a new branch that compile a QML plugin, I'd like to get into our core apps daily ppa: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/plugin
[14:07] <fginther> mhall119, will get it added
[14:08] <mhall119> thanks
[14:09] <ZDmitry> popey, mhall119: here is maked-up for devices (compiled at my GNexus): https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5kDhuHYYcvwaHI4WHBVd2g4b28/edit?usp=sharing
[14:14] <fginther> mhall119, it's ready to go
[14:30] <didrocks> sergiusens: I would wait for next week to consume from it
[14:30] <mhall119> thanks fginther
[14:31] <didrocks> sergiusens: and for unity next, I think you should use the phablet ppa until mid-june as we discussde :)
[14:31] <didrocks> discussed*
[14:31] <sergiusens> didrocks: well, the problem is, the hud missmatch
[14:32] <didrocks> sergiusens: but mzanetti told that they were ready with the new HUD, isn't it?
[14:33] <sergiusens> didrocks: we can't do dual things... the jobs are pulling in from the unity-next ppa while landing in phablet-team/ppa, it can get seriously broken
[14:33] <didrocks> sergiusens: guys, you are really make all our life harder, hud transition, multiple autopilot versions :/
[14:33] <didrocks> I think we need to break things for a week, fix every transition and rebuild from that
[14:34] <mzanetti> didrocks: sergiusens: I said autopilot tests are migrated to raring... nothing about the new hud
[14:34] <sergiusens> didrocks: we had zero breakage since we started
[14:34] <didrocks> sergiusens: right, but you didn't integrate with the real world :)
[14:34] <sergiusens> didrocks: this daily release thing is what's causing our breakage these days
[14:34] <didrocks> you forked everything, with different code, same name, same files
[14:35] <didrocks> normal that when you reconcile, it creates issues
[14:35] <didrocks> daily release or not
[14:35] <mzanetti> have to run now. didrocks: will ping you tomorrow about new hud stuff... and same name is not true
[14:35] <didrocks> so please keep being honest :)
[14:35] <sergiusens> didrocks: it could of been smoother though
[14:35] <mzanetti> its a different name and clearly marked autopilot as Replcaes, Conflicts and what not
[14:35] <didrocks> mzanetti: no it is true:
[14:35] <didrocks> 13:49:32   didrocks | mzanetti: but they do install files in the same path? if not, we can work on getting things on more quickly
[14:35] <sergiusens> didrocks: iirc, during the call we had with rsalveti we were good to use the unity next ppa this week
[14:35] <didrocks> 13:50:11   mzanetti | didrocks: yes, they conflict. can't install both at the same time. but do you need to do that?
[14:36] <mzanetti> anyways... I'm off for today
[14:36] <didrocks> sergiusens: well, at the time we didn't know about the autopilot issues and so on
[14:36] <sergiusens> didrocks: the autopilot issue was open since last december
[14:36] <didrocks> sergiusens: and more involvement/help from your team to get things transition to *your* new components, like the HUD would be appreciated
[14:37] <kenvandine> we need a way to transition all the packages, like we did for hud
[14:37] <didrocks> sergiusens: yeah, nobody told us that you had 2 autopilots
[14:37] <sergiusens> didrocks: hud is not my team, that is ted
[14:37] <didrocks> sergiusens: I learnt that with your doc
[14:37] <kenvandine> we should model all the qml plugin packages that way
[14:37] <didrocks> sergiusens: well, I can say as well, it's not "my" team
[14:37] <didrocks> and let things resolve themselves?
[14:37] <sergiusens> didrocks: it was discussed at vUDS as well
[14:37] <didrocks> I think we need to be more helpful
[14:37] <didrocks> sergiusens: not sure I was in that discussion though, I really didn't remember of 2 autopilots
[14:37] <sergiusens> didrocks: exactly
[14:38] <didrocks> and get everyone on board to do the painful transition
[14:38] <didrocks> not having only cyphermox, sil2100, kenvandine fighting to get things on shape
[14:38]  * kenvandine isn't on the hud team... but i still fixed it so we can parallel install versions :)
[14:39] <kenvandine> we need to do that across that stack
[14:39] <sergiusens> didrocks: well if you really needed help from everyone, an email would of been a good start
[14:39] <rsalveti> we don't want a bunch of people fighting to get the stuff in place, but the lack of communication was kind of a general issue
[14:40] <sergiusens> didrocks: thing is, today we are going to have a broken build
[14:40] <rsalveti> first we can't work as separated teams :-)
[14:40] <didrocks> rsalveti: +1
[14:40] <rsalveti> and this hud thing is indeed annoying, which we raised quite a few weeks ago with the hud developers
[14:40] <rsalveti> tedg: ^^
[14:41] <didrocks> sergiusens: TBH, if you want with "my team" or "your team", we would just wait and tell "upstream doesn't have their components aligned, let's not do anything and wait for them to resolve it"
[14:41] <rsalveti> so summarizing, what can we do to get this all fixed quickly?
[14:41] <didrocks> sergiusens: it's not the way we are working on ubuntu, rickspencer3 and others are one the "we are just one team" which I agree, so let's all work together to get things fixed
[14:41] <rsalveti> first, regarding hud
[14:41] <sergiusens> didrocks: I'm not saying your team/my team... bt we really have a disconnect in understandings
[14:42] <sergiusens> didrocks: we could of started with daily releases only for phablet... separately and then start mixing stuff
[14:42] <rsalveti> yeah, we got a bunch of new people working on stuff we were maintaining before, and at the same time some stuff got broken
[14:42] <rsalveti> and we couldn't break them if we wanted to have those components at the image
[14:42] <didrocks> sergiusens: that's why we tried, but daily releases works with trunks
[14:43] <rsalveti> which is where is the main issue currently
[14:43] <didrocks> sergiusens: which means, HUD trunk and autopilot trunk
[14:43] <sergiusens> didrocks: please keep the autopilot thing separate...
[14:43] <didrocks> sergiusens: and that's because of the fork/shortcuts that were taken that we are in that situation
[14:43] <didrocks> sergiusens: it is linked, we can't test
[14:44] <didrocks> so for the HUD
[14:44] <didrocks> sil2100 has merged all components AFAIK
[14:44] <sergiusens> didrocks: did you read _why_ we had a different autopilot in the first place? It started at the actual prev real UDS
[14:44] <didrocks> kenvandine did the fix yesterday
[14:44] <mhall119> ZDmitry: having a terminal on my nexus 7 rocks!
[14:44] <mhall119> is there a way to adjust the font size?
[14:45] <ogra_> tsk ... got your first user and immediately get your first feature request ...
[14:45] <didrocks> kenvandine: mind shedding up some light about the HUD status?
[14:46] <didrocks> I'm asking sil2100 to join as well
[14:46] <ZDmitry> mhall119: yes. In KTerminal item in qml file prop font.pointSize - use it. Or add some item to make it dynamicaly.
[14:46] <kenvandine> i did the versioning of the packages so we could transition
[14:46] <kenvandine> and afaik all the app branches have been merged
[14:47] <mhall119> ZDmitry: cool, I'll look into it, thanks again
[14:53] <cyphermox> sil2100: hey
[14:53] <cyphermox> sil2100: if you want to do some reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/indicators-client/bootstrap/+merge/160652  and  https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/cupstream2distro-config/add-indicators-client/+merge/160655
[15:03] <sil2100> cyphermox: hi! Looking
[15:04] <didrocks> sil2100: are you available for a hangout in 10 minutes?
[15:04] <didrocks> with kenvandine, sil2100, sergiusens, rsalveti
[15:04] <sil2100> didrocks: I think so, yes
[15:04] <didrocks> ok ;)
[15:04] <didrocks> sergiusens: rsalveti: available whenever you are
[15:05] <shadeslayer> ogra_: I was looking at the lightdm logs and saw : [+2.03s] WARNING: Error using VT_ACTIVATE 7 on /dev/console: Invalid argument
[15:06] <ogra_> hmm
[15:06] <ogra_> ls -l /dev/console ?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> a bit of googling gave me 1022606
[15:07] <shadeslayer> erm, bug 1022606
[15:07] <shadeslayer> ogra_: not sure how to do that since I didn't get adb up
[15:08] <ogra_> shadeslayer, a script ?
[15:14] <shadeslayer> ogra_: sure, but I don't think rc.local runs
[15:14] <shadeslayer> bbiab, dinner :)
[15:14] <shadeslayer> I'll have to write a upstart script I think
[15:14] <ogra_> use an upstart job ;)
[15:15] <sil2100> didrocks: just give me a sign, but I'll have to jump out for a moment around 18
[15:15] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, should be before, like… right now? :)
[15:15] <sil2100> ;p
[15:16]  * sil2100 waits for a hangout link if anything
[15:19] <dobey> mpt: is there a good document of how window stacking is expected to work/behave for phablet?
[15:21] <mrjoel> hey guys.  how should I get two-finger tap on a touchscreen to simulate right-click?  Do I need to go the Ginn route?
[15:22] <tmoenicke> ZDmitry: good to hear its working
[15:33] <mpt> dobey, yes, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1HwxEhrZ45WDngypEmGLW1lHXqf6nLKqdnYORwTALo8E/edit#heading=h.4932sick5x4a
[15:34] <asimbhaii> what r  ur takings on ubuntu for android? have u used it?
[15:37] <dobey> mpt: thanks
[15:40] <dobey> mpt: are dialogs intended to behave as they currently typically do in apps on Xorg, or are they intended to be more integrated into the app, like on OS X?
[15:41] <mpt> dobey, that's not yet decided, but it doesn't affect the stacking. Either way, a dialog shouldn't be able to go below its parent.
[15:45] <dobey> mpt: right. just asking because it does help clarify some potential implementation details for the U1 login widget/dialog that i'm about to start some work on. don't know if it'll have any direct impact on lower level design of things though, so probably can push that off a couple weeks until it's decided
[15:45] <mpt> ok
[15:59] <mrjoel> Alright.  So ginn is working with 13.04, but the rightclick actions all occur in the bottom right hand corner of the screen (this is where the "cursor" goes when the screen is touched at all.  help!
[16:06] <shadeslayer> ogra_: http://paste.kde.org/731510/
[16:06] <shadeslayer> does that seem fine?
[16:06] <ogra_> where does "write" exist ?
[16:07] <shadeslayer> data/usr/bin/write
[16:07] <ogra_> i think the write you mean isnt the write android means :)
[16:07] <ogra_> see man write
[16:07] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:07] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:07] <shadeslayer> okay
[16:07] <ogra_> you want echo
[16:08] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:08] <sil2100> ogra_, rsalveti, sergiusens: ping! If anything, I'm back now
[16:09] <ogra_> sil2100, well, i think we are fine
[16:09] <ogra_> at least as i understood it ...
[16:10] <shadeslayer> ogra_: anything else?
[16:10] <sil2100> ogra_: if anything pops up, just give me a sign
[16:11] <ogra_> shadeslayer, well, try it ... i think there is an upstart option to force logging from a job ("console log"  or so, look at the coockbook)
[16:11] <ogra_> sil2100, will do
[16:11] <sergiusens> sil2100: ack, we are good, going to run some initial tests and continue with what we talked about
[16:12] <shadeslayer> ogra_: right, so I'll just add console log to the top of the script
[16:12] <ogra_> yeah
[16:13] <ogra_> that should produce a logfile under /var/log/upstart/$jobname
[16:13] <sil2100> Awesome
[16:13] <shadeslayer> last question, should I just drop this file in data/etc/init and reboot ? or does it require more magic
[16:14] <ogra_> nope, thats enough
[16:14] <shadeslayer> hmm, is it endscript or end script?
[16:14] <shadeslayer> seems to be the latter
[16:14] <ogra_> yep
[16:15] <shadeslayer> and what about the 'exec' statement? should I have one?
[16:15] <ogra_> for adnd probably
[16:15] <ogra_> err
[16:15] <ogra_> adbd
[16:16] <shadeslayer> roger
[16:18] <shadeslayer> ogra_: "/dev/console exists!!"
[16:18] <ogra_> yay
[16:18] <shadeslayer> and I have "Starting adbd" in adbd.log
[16:18] <ogra_> so you should have adbd running then
[16:18] <shadeslayer> though nothing really happens :P
[16:19] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:19] <shadeslayer> /proc/self/fd/9: 13: exec: /sbin/adbd: not found
[16:19] <ogra_> haha
[16:19] <shadeslayer> mmm access is 0750/-rwxr-x---
[16:19] <shadeslayer> I guess I could make it 777
[16:20] <ogra_> well, upstart should have root permissions
[16:21] <shadeslayer> hmm lets see
[16:22] <Oranger> Hey, one of you know how to make a textarea autoExpendable ? The property is avaible but don't work with me
[16:23] <shadeslayer> ogra_: quite odd really
[16:23] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/731534/
[16:24] <shadeslayer> maybe I should compile adbd with armhf?
[16:24] <ogra_> oh, is it suid root ?
[16:25] <shadeslayer> ?
[16:25] <ogra_> no, sorry
[16:25] <ogra_> false alarm
[16:25] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:26] <shadeslayer> I have a whole bunch of errors in lightdm.log
[16:26] <shadeslayer> or rather, warnings
[16:26] <ogra_> paste it
[16:26] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/731546/
[16:30] <shadeslayer> ogra_: maybe just disable lightdm and add a upstart job that does startx?
[16:31] <ogra_> does your kernel have all VT support ?
[16:31] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:31] <shadeslayer> ( or atleast last I checked, lemme check again )
[16:31] <ogra_> yeah
[16:31] <shadeslayer> CONFIG_VT=y / CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y
[16:34] <ogra_> there is more
[16:34] <ogra_> CONFIG_NR_TTY_DEVICES=
[16:34] <popey> mhall119 / netcurli Akari 0.2 should be in the ppa now.
[16:34] <ogra_> CONFIG_HW_CONSOLE=y
[16:34] <ogra_> CONFIG_VT_HW_CONSOLE_BINDING=y
[16:34] <ogra_> see if you can set these
[16:36] <shadeslayer> ack
[16:36] <ogra_> probably also CONFIG_CONSOLE_TRANSLATIONS=y
[16:36] <ogra_> oh
[16:36] <ogra_> and definitely CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS
[16:37] <popey> hmmm
[16:38] <popey> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5598771/  what am i doing wrong?
[16:38] <shadeslayer> don't have CONFIG_NR_TTY_DEVICES
[16:38] <shadeslayer> CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS is already set
[16:38] <shadeslayer> CONFIG_VT_HW_CONSOLE_BINDING is already set
[16:38] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:38] <shadeslayer> popey: same as me
[16:39] <ogra_> popey, lmissing a lib ?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> for me it's adbd though
[16:39] <popey> phablet@localhost:~$ ldd btsync not a dynamic executable
[16:39] <ogra_> ah
[16:39] <shadeslayer> file says otherwise?
[16:39] <ogra_> well, probably v6 code that cant be executed on a v7
[16:39] <shadeslayer> ogra_: yeah, I suspect that's whats happening with adbd as well
[16:40] <ogra_> see if you can exec it outside of the container
[16:40] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5598773/  ← desktop version
[16:40] <ogra_> popey, oh, you mean thats installled in the container from an ubuntu package ?
[16:40] <popey> no, its a binary that came in a tarball I unpacked on the device
[16:40] <ogra_> ah
[16:40] <popey> http://labs.bittorrent.com/experiments/sync/other-download.html
[16:40] <popey> its that
[16:41] <ogra_> popey, well, likely not compiled on ubuntu
[16:41] <shadeslayer> ogra_: still the same thing
[16:42] <shadeslayer> though /proc/self/fd/9: 13: exec: /sbin/adbd: not found is what I'm most concerned about
[16:42] <ogra_> popey, it could be any arm this was built for ... we only support ARMv7
[16:43] <ogra_> and it is dynamically linked ... i could be built before multiarch was designed which means it will likley look for libs in the wrong places
[16:43] <ogra_> shadeslayer, try to add strace to your upstart job and have it produce a log
[16:43] <shadeslayer> yeah doing that
[16:43] <mrjoel> Alright.  So ginn is working with 13.04, but the rightclick actions all occur in the bottom right hand corner of the screen (this is where the "cursor" goes when the screen is touched at all.  help!
[16:44] <bregma> I hate to ask this, but is there any on-screen keyboard in the phablet image or does it require an external keyboard to be useful?
[16:44]  * ogra_ doubts we have any ginn experts here since ubuntu touch uses no X
[16:44] <mrjoel> ah, my bad
[16:44] <bregma> this channel used to be for touch support in Ubuntu
[16:44] <ogra_> bregma, there is an OSK preinstalled
[16:44] <bregma> which includes Ginn
[16:44] <Oranger> the way that we can't change tab by swaping is a very bad new feature or just a bug ?
[16:45] <ogra_> bregma, well ...
[16:45] <bregma> ogra_, how would I invoke the OSK?
[16:45] <ogra_> bregma, the channel was re-purposed when the ubuntu touch product was announced
[16:45] <ogra_> bregma, by selecting a text field
[16:45] <bregma> mm, not in today's image at least
[16:45] <ogra_> there is a bug in the latest dailies that makes it only work on second boot though
[16:45] <ogra_> try that
[16:46] <ogra_> its a race that seemingly goes away after the first boot
[16:47] <shadeslayer> ogra_: http://paste.kde.org/731558
[16:47] <shadeslayer> wth is /acct
[16:48] <ogra_> well, lots of devices it cant find
[16:48] <shadeslayer> yeah :S
[16:49] <shadeslayer> ogra_: https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_samsung_manta/blob/cm-10.1/init.manta.usb.rc#L10
[16:50] <shadeslayer> I'll just do those exact steps :P
[16:50] <ogra_> yeah, a lot ...
[16:51] <ogra_> line 10-13 ...
[16:51] <popey> ogra_: ok, thanks, I'll ping them for support.
[16:51] <shadeslayer> ogra_: 14 as well
[16:52] <ogra_> yep
[16:52] <bregma> OK, three more reboots and I have both OSK *and* indicators working at the same time...  now for smaller fingers and better eyes
[16:52]  * shadeslayer tries
[16:56] <shadeslayer> ogra_: can you supply uid/gid to a mount call?
[16:56] <shadeslayer> for eg. I know that mkdir call will fail
[16:57] <ogra_> hmm, only for filesystems that support that iirc
[16:58] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/731564/
[16:58] <shadeslayer> have a look
[17:00] <shadeslayer> heh, mount fails
[17:01] <ogra_> i doubt line 21 will work that way
[17:01] <ogra_> also you dont care for mtp
[17:01] <shadeslayer> true
[17:01] <ogra_> yeah, mount fails because you want -t functionfs
[17:01] <shadeslayer> ahh
[17:02] <ogra_> but i doubt ubuntus mount knows such a filesystem
[17:02] <ogra_> heck the manpage
[17:02] <ogra_> *check
[17:02] <shadeslayer> it doesn't
[17:02] <ogra_> yup, thought so
[17:03] <ogra_> so that will only work from android ...
[17:03] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:03] <ogra_> which means you would have to get the android container working
[17:03] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:04] <ogra_> you chould try to ass a "chroot /system" in front of each line ... but i suspect that will need more setup
[17:04] <ogra_> (bind mounting dev, mounting /proc and /sys at least)
[17:04] <ogra_> s/ass/add/
[17:04] <shadeslayer> indeed
[17:07] <shadeslayer> ogra_: maybe usbfs will work instead>
[17:08] <ogra_> try it
[17:11] <shadeslayer> uh this is odd
[17:11] <shadeslayer> there's a USB_FUNCTIONFS but you can only choose between that or CONFIG_USB_G_ANDROID
[17:14] <shadeslayer> ogra_: and if functionfs is the type, then what's 'adb'
[17:14] <mhall119> pmcgowan: FYI, the currency converter tutorial has been updated to work with the latest SDK
[17:15] <ogra_> shadeslayer, well, what does the defconfig use ?
[17:15] <shadeslayer> USB_G_ANDROID
[17:15] <kenvandine> anyone know why the daily image has the media-player package, but trunk says the package name should be mediaplayer-app ?
[17:15] <kenvandine> sil2100, ^^ that causes a problem with the hud transition too
[17:16] <kenvandine> we have the wrong package seeded i guess
[17:16] <shadeslayer> I'll try the chroot method
[17:16] <shadeslayer> though I wonder where adb shell will land, ubuntu rootfs or android rootfs
[17:18]  * sil2100 looks
[17:18] <sil2100> hmm
[17:18] <kenvandine> sil2100, media-player depends on libhud-qt-qml
[17:18] <kenvandine> mediaplayer-all depends on qtdeclarative5-hud1.0
[17:19] <kenvandine> mediaplayer-app :)
[17:19] <sil2100> kenvandine: so maybe I missed out something during transitioning!
[17:19] <kenvandine> no
[17:19] <kenvandine> i guess the package was renamed sometime after rev 68
[17:19] <kenvandine> but the old package is in the seed
[17:20] <sil2100> Ah, right
[17:20] <kenvandine> ogra_, how is that handled?
[17:20] <sergiusens> sil2100: kenvandine any reason notes-app is not in daily release yet? Any deps we need to clear out?
[17:20] <ogra_> kenvandine, it is supposed to be handled by the distro seed (ubuntu-touch) but i dont think that switch has happened yet
[17:20] <kenvandine> sergiusens, nothing i can see
[17:21] <kenvandine> ogra_, so how do we fix the package that is being pulled?
[17:21] <ogra_> dunno, thats the IBS side i dont have much clue about (oem build system)
[17:21] <ogra_> rsalveti, ^^^
[17:22] <sergiusens> ogra_: kenvandine what's the problem?
[17:22] <ogra_> wrong package seeded
[17:22] <kenvandine> sergiusens, looks like media-player was renamed to mediaplayer-app
[17:22] <ogra_> it was renamed but the seed wasnt updated
[17:23] <sergiusens> ogra_: kenvandine ibs config is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/touch-preview-images/livebuild/files
[17:24] <sergiusens> kenvandine: I'll change... I see a push 4 hours ago...
[17:25] <GeekSquid> kinda just getting under the hood of my new nexus4, enjoying being able to use apt, and actually edit things
[17:25] <kenvandine> sergiusens, thanks
[17:33] <ogra_> sergiusens, for S we will switch to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.raring (just FYI)
[17:33] <ogra_> and use the ubuntu-touch task
[17:34] <sergiusens> ogra_: I can switch to ubuntu-touch, but we will need to update it
[17:34] <shadeslayer> ruh roh
[17:34] <sergiusens> ogra_: can I just MR against that?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> where is the mkdir binary located on android ?
[17:34] <mpt> dun1982, fwiw, here's what I ended up with: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking#phone-wifi
[17:35] <ogra_> sergiusens, not for R anymore ... we'll let it rot until S opens ... to have the task it needs an ubuntu-touch-meta upload
[17:35] <sergiusens> shadeslayer: /system/bin/toolbox
[17:35] <sergiusens> symlinked to that
[17:35] <ogra_> and yes, you can just MR against it
[17:35] <sergiusens> ogra_: ack
[17:38] <GeekSquid> what are the odds of killing the nexus 4 by doing a dist-upgrade?, can I always fastboot the latest image onto it?
[17:39] <ogra_> yeah, you cant really brick it by dist-upgrade ...
[17:39] <ogra_> you can alsways roll back to stock android
[17:39] <ogra_> *always
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Nexus devices are incredibly hard to brick :P
[17:39] <ogra_> even if you trash the ubuntu install
[17:39] <ogra_> 90% of the recent arm devices are
[17:39] <shadeslayer> odd
[17:39] <shadeslayer> chroot: failed to run command 'mkdir': No such file or directory
[17:40] <shadeslayer> maybe it's a path issue
[17:40] <sergiusens> you can brick nicely by flashing the bootloader though ;-)
[17:40] <ogra_> do you see it linked in the dir ?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ogra_: hmm?
[17:40] <ogra_> sergiusens, there is always a rom
[17:40] <ogra_> and some tool to reinstall a bootloader
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ^^
[17:40] <ogra_> just a lot harder :)
[17:40] <shadeslayer> though, I haven't quite figured out what fastboot is, is it the bootloader?
[17:40] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah...
[17:40] <ogra_> shadeslayer, do you see mkdir in /system/bin
[17:41] <shadeslayer> or some sort of firmware
[17:41] <shadeslayer> ogra_: yes
[17:41] <ogra_> it is a protocol ...
[17:41] <shadeslayer>   File: '/system/bin/mkdir' -> 'toolbox'
[17:41] <ogra_> and low level bootloaders that use it
[17:41] <sergiusens> nexus devices implement fastboot
[17:41] <ogra_> and you chroot to /system ?
[17:41] <shadeslayer> I believe so
[17:42] <ogra_> so you have something like:
[17:42] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/731576/
[17:42] <ogra_> chroot /system /bin/mkdir mynewdir
[17:42] <shadeslayer> nope, I just do chroot /system mkdir
[17:42] <ogra_> give it a path and see if that helps
[17:43] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:45] <ogra_> if you cant get mkdir from /system to work, just use the ubuntu one ;)
[17:45] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:46] <ogra_> mkdir should be the easiest part here
[17:46] <ogra_> i would actually only cheroot the mount command
[17:47] <shadeslayer> rofl : chroot: failed to run command '/bin/mkdir': No such file or directory
[17:47] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:48] <ogra_> ah, finally
[17:48] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130424/
[17:49] <boiko> sergiusens: hey, so now we don't need to change from UNRELEASED to quantal anymore, right?
[17:50] <ogra_> you would change to raring anyway :)
[17:50] <ogra_> quantal is dead
[17:50] <kenvandine> :)
[17:50] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:50] <shadeslayer> ogra_: chroot: failed to run command '/bin/mount': No such file or directory
[17:50] <boiko> ogra_: yeah, that's what I mean, sorry :)
[17:50] <ogra_> shadeslayer, hmm, is there a shell ?
[17:50] <boiko> ogra_: I just want to know if we need to change from UNRELEASED to something or not
[17:50] <shadeslayer> ogra_: shell?
[17:51] <sergiusens> boiko: only for apps that are in daily release
[17:51] <ogra_> shadeslayer, /bin/sh ... doe that exist in /system ?
[17:51] <shadeslayer> ogra_: yes : system/bin/sh
[17:51] <boiko> sergiusens: and how do I know if an app is in the daily release?
[17:51] <sergiusens> kenvandine: sil2100 do you have a list of what from phablet is already on daily release? Or should I compile one?
[17:51] <ogra_> shadeslayer, and is that a binary or also a link
[17:51] <sergiusens> boiko: heh, that's the issue I've been having these days :-)
[17:52] <shadeslayer> ogra_: link to mksh
[17:52] <ogra_> hmm
[17:52] <boiko> sergiusens: ah ok :)
[17:52] <sergiusens> boiko: phone-app is though
[17:52] <boiko> sergiusens: mediaplayer-app probably is too, right?
[17:53] <sergiusens> boiko: yeah
[17:53] <kenvandine> sergiusens, i don't
[17:54] <ogra_> shadeslayer, not sure what mksh does though
[17:54] <ogra_> sounds weird
[17:54] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:55] <mhall119> pmcgowan: who is working on background execution for apps?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> :>
[17:55] <shadeslayer> ogra_: Usage: /system/bin/mount [-r] [-w] [-o options] [-t type] device directory
[17:55] <pmcgowan> mhall119: you mean allowing it?
[17:55] <mhall119> yeah
[17:55] <shadeslayer> I just called /syste/bin/mount directly
[17:55] <pmcgowan> probably ricmm_
[17:55] <mhall119> thanks
[17:56] <shadeslayer> though I did not supply the -t option
[17:56] <ogra_> yeah
[17:57] <ogra_> though that it gives you the help output is a good sign
[17:57] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[17:57] <shadeslayer> hmm doesn't work with -t functionfs as well
[17:57] <shadeslayer> gives me : Usage: /system/bin/mount [-r] [-w] [-o options] [-t type] device directory
[17:57] <shadeslayer> same thing as above
[17:57] <GeekSquid> how can I see how much space I have on the system file... df doesn't seem to work?
[17:57] <rsalveti> sergiusens: guess the list is basically what is at the daily ppa, right?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> ogra_: i believe the UID bits are giving it issues
[17:59] <ogra_> drop them ... use chown
[17:59] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:00] <shadeslayer> ogra_: also, I don't think there's a folder called 'adb' anywhere
[18:08] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:08] <shadeslayer> ogra_: https://plus.google.com/111524780435806926688/posts/AaEccFjKNHE
[18:09] <shadeslayer> I'll use the functionfs to see what happens
[18:09] <ogra_> hmm, so g_android isnt actually in the defconfig ?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> it is
[18:10] <shadeslayer> I want to see what happens if you use functionfs
[18:10] <ogra_> well, you said they are exclusive
[18:10] <shadeslayer> maybe it'll just work
[18:10] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:10] <ogra_> yeah
[18:12] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: this looks a little odd http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130424/raring-preinstalled.changelog
[18:13] <ogra_> well, i guess it checks against the last build
[18:13] <ogra_> of which we had three today
[18:13] <ogra_> with no changes but build scripts
[18:13] <ogra_> so it might actually be correct
[18:14] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: haha, it's because of the test builds sergiusens did
[18:14] <rsalveti> the numbering weirdness
[18:14] <rsalveti> but yeah, we did a bunch of quick builds
[18:14] <pmcgowan> ok
[18:14] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: I'll make sure it's producing the right thing, but I remember I pushed the series switch yesterday afaik
[18:15] <rsalveti> it was still trying to get the changelogs from quantal
[18:16] <rsalveti> mhall119: where is the terminal
[18:16] <rsalveti> I want it
[18:16] <rsalveti> lol
[18:18] <mhall119> rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~hiroshidi
[18:19] <mhall119> the terminal widget plugin should be getting built and added to the core apps PPA
[18:19] <rsalveti> mhall119: awesome
[18:19] <mhall119> then we just need to land the changed to the QML app
[18:19] <rsalveti> that's another app we need to install by default
[18:19] <mhall119> rsalveti: in the touch preview, I'd say definitely
[18:19] <mhall119> on consumer devices, maybe not
[18:19] <rsalveti> right
[18:20] <mhall119> but having shell access without a USB cable and my laptop is awesome!
[18:21] <mhall119> with some tweaking, I can even use it to connect to my remove irssi sessions
[18:21] <mhall119> which is one of the biggest things I've been missing
[18:22] <mhall119> and having a re-usable terminal component, that's just fantastic
[18:23]  * mhall119 owes ZDmitry a beverage of his choice if we ever meet in person
[18:23] <rsalveti> yeah, awesome
[18:27] <Oranger> Is there a way to use the id of a component in an external js script ? I need it for popupUtils.open T_T
[18:27] <Oranger> and... my component is in an external QML file (yeah, many files)
[18:27] <shadeslayer> mmm
[18:28] <shadeslayer> ogra_: better
[18:28] <GeekSquid> so I did dist-upgrade, that didn't work, GUI doesn't load at all... will reflash when raring finishes downloading
[18:28] <shadeslayer> ogra_: http://paste.kde.org/731606
[18:29]  * Oranger will commit suicide
[18:30] <mhall119> Oranger: :(
[18:30] <mhall119> Oranger: what are you trying to do exactly?
[18:31] <Oranger> mhall119: I created a JS script which load a component depending on the mimetype of the file
[18:31] <Oranger> if the user try to display a type of file that docviewer don't know, he will display a dialog
[18:32] <Oranger> my dialog is in UnkonwTypeDialog.qml and my JS script in loadComponent.js
[18:33] <Oranger> But, of course, PopupUtils can't find my component... i'm thinking about signals and slots but I can't do it in JS
[18:34] <Oranger> So... I think the last solution is suicide ! Logic no ?
[18:34] <netcurli> Oranger: you can import qml files into javascript: https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qtqml-javascript-imports.html
[18:34] <s3-man> it would be great test ubuntu touch on the s3 :)
[18:35] <mhall119> Oranger: shouldn't joke about suicide :(
[18:36] <mhall119> but getting to your problem, can you add a property to your popup that can contain a reference to your component, then set it before poping up the dialog?
[18:36] <ogra_> shadeslayer, yeah, but not perfect
[18:36] <shadeslayer> still better :)
[18:37] <Oranger> netcurli: It work with my own QML module ?
[18:37] <Oranger> mhall119: The component is the popup :/
[18:37] <netcurli> it should work like the import directly in qml
[18:38] <shadeslayer> ogra_: it does : setuid32(2000)                          = 0
[18:38] <shadeslayer> ogra_: so it /should/ have permissions
[18:38] <Oranger> netcurli: Because I don't really have a MajorVersion and MinorVersion
[18:38] <shadeslayer> I do :     mount -o uid=2000,gid=2000 -t functionfs adb /dev/usb-ffs/adb
[18:39] <Oranger> netcurli: I try
[18:40] <ogra_> shadeslayer, hmm, you probably dont have a user with the uid 2000 ?
[18:40] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:40] <ogra_> on the android side i mean
[18:40] <shadeslayer> uh?
[18:40] <shadeslayer> there is no android side at the moment
[18:41] <ogra_> you do the mount from ubuntu ?
[18:41] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:41] <ogra_> without chroot
[18:41] <ogra_> ah
[18:41] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:43] <ogra_> well, line 29/30
[18:44] <shadeslayer> ogra_: yeah, that's what I was thinking as well
[18:44] <mhall119> ricmm_: ping
[18:45] <ricmm_> mhall119: pong
[18:45] <ricmm_> whats up?
[18:45] <ogra_> no idea how to solve that one
[18:46] <ogra_> likely an android kernel feature thats not on ... (but also likely one that will get in your way in ubuntu)
[18:46] <shadeslayer> what if I just mkdir -p /acct/uid/2000/tasks ?
[18:46] <ogra_> try it, but i doubt that will help
[18:47] <ogra_> and you dont want that
[18:47] <shadeslayer> oh?
[18:47] <ogra_> mkdir -p /acct/uid/2000 is what you want
[18:47] <ogra_> tasks is a file
[18:47] <shadeslayer> oh right
[18:47] <ogra_> open("/acct/uid/2000/tasks"
[18:48]  * ogra_ is off for a while ... watching football
[18:48] <shadeslayer> cya :)
[18:55] <s3-man> S3 is not functional yet right?
[18:57] <shadeslayer> lolwtf
[18:58] <shadeslayer> ogra_: there's something called adb hell
[18:58] <shadeslayer> gives you a red terminal :D
[18:58]  * kenvandine rofl
[18:58] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/BKll4KR.png
[19:00] <rsalveti> yeah
[19:00] <rsalveti> :-)
[19:02] <shadeslayer> rsalveti: hey :)
[19:02] <shadeslayer> rsalveti: so the N10 boots :P
[19:03] <shadeslayer> except X doesn't show anything on the screen xD
[19:04] <shadeslayer> ogra_: ITS UP!!!!!!
[19:04] <shadeslayer> ~/sauce/Kubuntu/Touch/kernels/exynos(branch:cm-10.1*) » adb devices                                              shadeslayer@Solembum
[19:04] <shadeslayer> List of devices attached
[19:04] <shadeslayer><PHONE_NUMBER>ABCDEF        device
[19:04]  * ogra_ applauds
[19:04] <shadeslayer> but then - exec '/system/bin/sh' failed: No such file or directory (2) -
[19:04] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:04] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: where did you put the firmware stuff
[19:05] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: the what
[19:05] <shadeslayer> I don't have any firmware yet
[19:05] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: I am crashing on boot when udev is trying to load firmware
[19:05] <ChickenCutlass> ok
[19:05] <shadeslayer> odd 0.o
[19:06] <rsalveti> shadeslayer: awesome
[19:06] <shadeslayer> lilstevie: poke poke
[19:06] <shadeslayer> I haz shell :D
[19:07] <shadeslayer> uid=2000 gid=2000 groups=1003,1004,1007,1009,1011,1015,1028,3001,3002,3003,3006@android:/ $
[19:07] <shadeslayer> xD
[19:07] <rsalveti> awesome
[19:07] <ogra_> funny prompt
[19:07] <shadeslayer> hehe yeah :P
[19:07] <shadeslayer> but who cares at the moment ;)
[19:08] <shadeslayer> wheee
[19:08] <shadeslayer> I have no name!@localhost:/$  < bash :P
[19:09] <GeekSquid> I have all the necesssarry files to push to my nexus 4, what order exactly do I push them to the device? (using adb push /file /sdcard/file, then adb reboot recovery )?>> is this right?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> lilstevie: what did you guys do on the TF101 to get adb to use the standard user?
[19:11] <mhall119> popey: pmcgowan: sergiusens: I think we should look at including the weather app in the daily images, now that it's pulling real data
[19:12] <popey> +1
[19:12] <sergiusens> mhall119: popey ack, adding
[19:12] <popey> does it have an icon?
[19:12] <mhall119> \o/
[19:13] <sergiusens> popey: not sure, was going to install and see first :-)
[19:13] <mhall119> popey: yes, I added the one used by the placeholder app
[19:13] <sergiusens> popey: and does it have the sidestage hint?
[19:13] <GeekSquid> once I get up and going with the raring daily I am totally willing to help with whatever
[19:13] <popey> they all should
[19:13] <mhall119> sergiusens: it does
[19:14] <mhall119> popey: FYI, I landed the packaging changes for Email, Terminal and Youtube
[19:14] <mhall119> so they're all landed now
[19:14] <popey> nice one
[19:17] <shadeslayer> mmmm
[19:20] <sergiusens> mhall119: too bad it doesn't include my location
[19:21] <sergiusens> mhall119: so I'll need to remove the mock app as well..
[19:21] <sergiusens> will get it done in a bit
[19:23] <mhall119> thanks sergiusens
[19:23] <mhall119> sergiusens: it appears to lookup locations on openweathermap.org
[19:23] <pmcgowan> ChickenCutlass: oops, did you send a weekly update out on monday?
[19:24] <sergiusens> mhall119: it finds Buenos Aires but not Cordoba :-)
[19:24] <ChickenCutlass> pmcgowan: no.  was it my turn
[19:24] <pmcgowan> yes
[19:24] <ChickenCutlass> oops
[19:25] <ChickenCutlass> pmcgowan: what shall I do?
[19:25] <pmcgowan> do it now
[19:25] <sergiusens> mhall119: probably requires accents and such...
[19:25] <pmcgowan> we been late before
[19:25] <sergiusens> I see it in there
[19:25] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: I can take care of it completely if you want starting next week
[19:26] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: was trying to be nice and rotate it
[19:26] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: you want to do it for a while?
[19:27] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: I have no issues, already sort of doing it since I have a front seat to the builds
[19:27] <ChickenCutlass> sergiusens: you can start now :)
[19:27] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: ok will cancel the other request then
[19:27] <pmcgowan> thanks
[19:28] <sergiusens> ChickenCutlass: well if tomorrow is a good day, I'll send it
[19:28] <ChickenCutlass> sergiusens: ok
[19:32] <mhall119> bfiller: ping
[19:32] <sergiusens> mhall119: oh, do you want to remove the ubuntu- from the package name first or are we keeping that?
[19:32] <bfiller> mhall119: pong
[19:33] <mhall119> sergiusens: we want to remove it, that will happen soon, but we haven't started yet
[19:34] <sergiusens> mhall119: nah, just thought I'd mention since you said you were doing the packaging
[19:36] <mhall119> sergiusens: that was other fixes
[19:36] <mhall119> we'll start on the renaming probably next week
[19:37] <mhall119> popey: ^^ sound reasonable?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> ogra_: fwiw this is the X issue : http://paste.kde.org/731654/
[19:41] <ogra_> hmm
[19:42] <ogra_> i still suspect a kernel config issue
[19:42] <ogra_> is udev actually running ?
[19:43] <shadeslayer> sec
[19:44] <sergiusens> rsalveti: did you try the next ppa? Doing a dist-upgrade brings in qt5-make
[19:44] <ogra_> shadeslayer, also check if the ttys and /dev/pty/* are there
[19:44] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah, was going to ping the folks responsible for that, but none is on-line
[19:44] <rsalveti> sergiusens: and libhybris is there as well
[19:45] <rsalveti> we don't want yet another qt package at yet another ppa :-)
[19:46] <shadeslayer> ogra_: there's no /dev/pty/
[19:46] <shadeslayer> but there are tty's
[19:46] <shadeslayer> in /dev
[19:46] <shadeslayer> and that log is wrong :P
[19:46] <ogra_> err /dev/pts
[19:46] <popey> mhall119: afk, but yes
[19:46] <shadeslayer> ogra_: there's : 0  11  3  4
[19:47] <ogra_> ok
[19:47] <ogra_> and you have a /dev/tty7  ?
[19:47] <ogra_> oh, the log is wrong ?
[19:47] <shadeslayer> the right log http://paste.kde.org/731666/
[19:47] <shadeslayer> ogra_: flashed the wrong boot.img
[19:48] <ogra_> ah
[19:48] <ogra_> well, apart from the dri0 moaning the log is fine
[19:49] <ogra_> and dri0 shouldnt have any influence on the xfbdev driver
[19:49] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:49] <ogra_> do you have /dev/fb0 ?
[19:50] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:50] <shadeslayer> quite weird
[19:50] <ogra_> yeah
[19:51] <ogra_> probably someone in #ubuntu-x can help
[19:51] <shadeslayer> okay, let's try
[19:51] <sergiusens> rsalveti: kenvandine is online
[19:52] <rsalveti> kenvandine: around?
[19:52] <rsalveti> sil2100 changed it though
[19:52] <therocker> hi
[19:53] <therocker> i need some help
[19:53] <kenvandine> rsalveti, hey
[19:54] <therocker> i need some help porting ubuntu touch to a kindle fire hd 7
[19:54] <rsalveti> kenvandine: hey, do you know why we have qt5 packages at the unity-next ppa?
[19:54] <rsalveti> we're using the qt5 proper ppa in our images
[19:55] <rsalveti> sergiusens: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5599227/
[19:55] <rsalveti> the source packages we consume when enabling the daily-next ppa
[19:55] <rsalveti> not the binary packages
[19:55] <shadeslayer> ogra_: do you have the scripts required to build the AC100 image lying around somewhere?
[19:55] <sergiusens> rsalveti: the conflicting ones we need to care for?
[19:56] <kenvandine> rsalveti, you mean qtbase5?
[19:56] <rsalveti> kenvandine: yeah
[19:56] <rsalveti> sergiusens: qt5 is one
[19:56] <rsalveti> sergiusens: libhybris is another
[19:56] <kenvandine> rsalveti, yeah that adds xembed
[19:56] <ogra_> shadeslayer, live-build and livecd-rootfs
[19:56] <rsalveti> for the rest we might be good
[19:56] <kenvandine> needed for online accounts
[19:56] <rsalveti> right
[19:56] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:56] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:57] <kenvandine> rsalveti, besides that one patch, it is identical to what is in raring
[19:57] <sergiusens> kenvandine: why not add it to the proper ppa though?
[19:57] <kenvandine> because we aren't building against that ppa
[19:57] <sergiusens> proper as in _proper_
[19:57] <rsalveti> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper
[19:57] <kenvandine> i guess we could
[19:57] <sergiusens> not saying there is a _wrong_ one ;-)
[19:57] <rsalveti> yeah, this one is the main ppa used for everyone
[19:57] <kenvandine> hehe
[19:58] <rsalveti> and is where people push changes before landing them in the archive
[19:58] <kenvandine> this was implementing something needed by something we need to land in daily-build-next
[19:58] <kenvandine> we don't want it to land in the archive for raring though
[19:58] <kenvandine> just for S
[19:59] <rsalveti> kenvandine: right
[19:59] <kenvandine> i don't mind the patch going in qt5-proper ppa, as long as the daily release ppa uses it
[19:59] <rsalveti> kenvandine: did you sync with Mirv about this change?
[19:59] <rsalveti> right, that sounds the best approach
[20:00] <rsalveti> then we can just have all qt5 based changes at one single place
[20:00] <kenvandine> Mirv, ^^'
[20:00] <kenvandine> Mirv, it's a backport of mardy's xembed branch that is in qt5.1
[20:01] <sergiusens> kenvandine: Mirv rsalveti there's also this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5599244/
[20:01] <kenvandine> sergiusens, is that from the qt5-proper ppa or raring?
[20:02] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right
[20:02] <sergiusens> it's the daily one
[20:02] <sergiusens> kenvandine: rsalveti http://paste.ubuntu.com/5599249/
[20:03] <rsalveti> indeed
[20:03] <kenvandine> ok, so the same would happen in raring
[20:05] <sergiusens> kenvandine: so I just did a dist-upgrade on the phablet with the new ppa and those were brought in.
[20:06] <sergiusens> oh, does dist-upgrade install recommends?
[20:07] <sergiusens> rsalveti: ok, think the qt5 stuff can be closed as sorted, we could do the same for hybris and android-audiosystem
[20:08] <rsalveti> sergiusens: android-audiosystem is fine, it's native and we're maintaining it
[20:08] <rsalveti> just hybris that is better to control at platform-api
[20:08] <rsalveti> argh
[20:08] <rsalveti> at phablet-team
[20:08] <rsalveti> unless it's required to avoid ftbfs
[20:08] <rsalveti> I mean required by some other packages at the daily-next ppa
[20:09] <sergiusens> rsalveti: we can't...
[20:09] <sergiusens> rsalveti: they will pick up nux et.al. wouldn't they?
[20:09] <sergiusens> rsalveti: anyways, the ppa is not working, I dist-upgraded... camera app does not work nor does the hud
[20:10] <sergiusens> phone-app doesn't work either
[20:10] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah, rebooting here
[20:11] <sergiusens> oh, Saviq if the media player changed it's name, do you need to update the shell Video lens?
[20:11] <rsalveti> sergiusens: well, the shell is up, at least something is working ;-)
[20:11] <rsalveti> video lens is empty
[20:13] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I have lens though ;-)
[20:13] <sergiusens> rsalveti: found the culprit libhud-qt1
[20:13] <rsalveti> weird
[20:13] <sergiusens> rsalveti: need to selectively install it
[20:13] <rsalveti> can't open apps
[20:13] <rsalveti> no browser, no gallery
[20:14] <rsalveti> just a blank white screen
[20:14] <sergiusens> rsalveti: did you upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[20:14] <rsalveti> dist-upgrade
[20:14] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah, my apps have blank screen too
[20:14] <rsalveti> sergiusens: should we just remove libhud-qt1?
[20:15] <sergiusens> rsalveti: but do you have qt5declarative.*hud?
[20:15] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I installed it :-P
[20:15] <rsalveti> oh
[20:15] <rsalveti> updating to call dist-upgrade again
[20:15] <sergiusens> rsalveti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5599279/
[20:19] <sergiusens> rsalveti: rebooting after the install... sort of works
[20:19] <sergiusens> rsalveti: we can probably be safe with adding the PPA
[20:20] <rsalveti> I'm concerned with 'sort of works' :-)
[20:20] <rsalveti> trying to install hud, slow as hell don't know why
[20:20] <rsalveti> sergiusens: able to open apps after installing libhud-qt1?
[20:21] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yes, and close them :-)
[20:21] <rsalveti> cool
[20:21] <sergiusens> rsalveti: gallery doesn't work though
[20:21] <rsalveti> wonder what happened with my video lens
[20:21] <rsalveti> 10kb/s from launchpad, weird
[20:22] <sergiusens> rsalveti: video works with only audio with that ffmpeg removal :-P
[20:23] <sergiusens> rsalveti: sound indicator does _NOT_ work
[20:23] <chris123> hi.  i have installed the developer preview for a couple of days now.  i like it  alot, and can't wait to make it my daily driver (replacing android).  my question is:  is there a changelog in the nightlies so that I can decide to flash them or not?  i am not seeing a changelog
[20:23] <kenvandine> yay... online accounts works on the touch images again :)
[20:23] <rsalveti> sergiusens: that's weird
[20:23] <kenvandine> the daily images still pulls from the online-accounts-qt5-staging PPA right?
[20:24] <rsalveti> sergiusens: are you sure you didn't use the camera app first?
[20:24] <rsalveti> as the camera crash inside android breaks up the sound indicator
[20:24] <sergiusens> rsalveti: nope, QOpenGLShader: could not create shader
[20:24] <rsalveti> I have that mr in my review list for today
[20:24] <pmcgowan> chris123: there is a changelog at the webpage http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/raring-preinstalled.changelog
[20:24] <sergiusens> kenvandine: yes
[20:24] <rsalveti> what?
[20:24] <pmcgowan> chris123: that one not very useful as we have been testing builds
[20:25] <kenvandine> sergiusens, great, all the packages are updated for raring in that ppa :)
[20:26] <rsalveti> kenvandine: cool, now we just need to get them to work :-)
[20:26] <sergiusens> o/
[20:26] <chris123> pmcgowan:  ya, there's not a lot in those messages ;)  i know... documentation is the hardest part!
[20:26] <pmcgowan> chris123: usually there is
[20:27] <pmcgowan> we are grabbing from the changelogs
[20:27] <chris123> i will check the wiki page here and there and see what new functionality or fixes are posted there.
[20:27] <rsalveti> chris123: that's because we're transitioning to raring + a new ppa
[20:27] <rsalveti> so we got a few builds just to test our infra was ok
[20:28] <rsalveti> later this week it should be fine again
[20:28] <chris123> gotcha
[20:28] <chris123> will raring be pretty much teh same as it is now, just with the new 13.04?
[20:29] <chris123> to the group:  it's truly excellent.  I am a 'usability guy' and find it to be superb.  some really good decisions were made.  i don't know how i can provide any assistance to the group, but if i can, let me know
[20:30] <pmcgowan> chris123: thanks, the ux designers have worked very hard
[20:31] <rik__> hi all.
[20:32] <rik__> anyone know if the hdmi output is working for the xt910/912 builds?
[20:33] <Oranger> mhall119: I find a solution, and sorry I joked about it earlier :/
[20:38] <rsalveti> sergiusens: actually camera-app gallery-app phone-app webbrowser-app have been kept back
[20:38] <rsalveti> by apt
[20:39] <rsalveti> right, missing libhud-qt1
[20:39] <sergiusens> rsalveti: if you install that hud, everything will clear out
[20:41] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah, trying to do that now
[20:41] <rsalveti> slow...
[20:41] <sergiusens> rsalveti: fix your isp ;-)
[20:41] <rsalveti> sergiusens: is your link back in place?
[20:41] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I was saying earlier that it might have been slow because I was downloading images for FLISOL
[20:41] <rsalveti> mine is stupidly fast for brazilian websites
[20:42] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right
[20:42] <sergiusens> rsalveti: the other possibility is, my browser and unity needed a restart...
[20:42] <sergiusens> rsalveti: mumble earlier was fine, right?
[20:42] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yup
[20:42] <sergiusens> rsalveti: browser plugins... meh
[20:42] <rsalveti> yup
[20:43] <rsalveti> proprietary-crap
[20:46] <sergiusens> rsalveti: the other solution I can think of is going with the binary copy from that ppa to the phablet-team
[20:46] <rsalveti> sergiusens: we need to find what is actually broken
[20:47] <rsalveti> as this is now the daily from trunk =\
[20:47] <rsalveti> we need to fix it anyway
[20:47] <sergiusens> rsalveti: gallery is probably untested on device
[20:47] <sergiusens> rsalveti: that and sound are the issues I see
[20:48] <sergiusens> rsalveti: oh, and if one app fails to launch, hud fails for all others
[20:48] <rsalveti> sergiusens: =\
[20:48] <rsalveti> sergiusens: audio I can check here
[20:49] <rsalveti> sergiusens: video lens is back
[20:49] <rsalveti> weird is that at the installed lens I got 2 phone apps
[20:49] <rsalveti> and one empty square
[20:50] <sergiusens> rsalveti: same... but no empties
[20:50] <rsalveti> sergiusens: video is not playing here
[20:51] <sergiusens> rsalveti: one word -> ffmpeg
[20:51] <sergiusens> rsalveti: audio is though, right?
[20:51] <rsalveti> sergiusens: not even opening the app
[20:51] <sergiusens> rsalveti: if not, apt-get install mediaplayer-app
[20:51] <rsalveti> sergiusens: and sidestage is also broken
[20:51] <sergiusens> rsalveti: mediaplayer changed names
[20:51] <rsalveti> right, probably got removed
[20:52] <rsalveti> ok, that's easy to fix
[20:52] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I already fixed the livebuild
[20:53] <rsalveti> sergiusens: cool
[20:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti: there's two phone-app icons because there's two phone-apps :-/
[20:53] <sergiusens> or it seems like that's the case
[20:53] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, thought we went over the rename already
[20:54] <rsalveti> just one here
[20:54] <rsalveti> something is wrong with the indicators as well
[20:54] <rsalveti> all were 'empty' for a while
[20:55] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sound indicator working fine here
[20:55] <sergiusens> rsalveti: lucky you... manta?
[20:56] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yup
[20:56] <rsalveti> sergiusens: after a clean reboot
[20:56] <rsalveti> sergiusens: the only sidestage app working here is the phone-app
[20:56] <rsalveti> facebook, twitter and notes are not even opening here
[20:57] <rsalveti> actually the calculator and calendar are both fine as well
[20:57] <sergiusens> rsalveti: weird...
[20:58] <rsalveti> but hud is all weird here
[20:58] <rsalveti> sergiusens: are you able to open facebook or twitter?
[20:58] <rsalveti> browser seems fine
[20:59] <rsalveti> sergiusens: don't think it'd be a good idea to include that by default yet
[20:59] <rsalveti> but seems we're almost there :-)
[20:59] <Damp> The browser is NOT fine on N4 :p
[21:01] <sergiusens> rsalveti: fb and tw
[21:01] <sergiusens> rsalveti: both
[21:01] <rsalveti> sergiusens: that's weird
[21:01] <rsalveti> sergiusens: which image did you use as base?
[21:01] <rsalveti> I noticed I got a bunch of updates from onlineclient as well
[21:02] <sergiusens> rsalveti: 95 ... oooh... I am behind
[21:02] <sergiusens> rsalveti: let me download latest
[21:02] <rsalveti> right, will start fresh as well
[21:13]  * RobbyF is sad, sold his galaxy nexus so can't test out daily's
[21:20] <sergiusens> rsalveti: on 99 all the things that were failing work
[21:20] <rsalveti> sergiusens: including gallery?
[21:22] <sergiusens> rsalveti: including gallery
[21:22] <rsalveti> sergiusens: interesting
[21:22] <rsalveti> sergiusens: then let's try a build with this ppa included by default
[21:22] <rsalveti> should be done in a few hours, enough to revert in case it's completely broken
[21:23] <pmcgowan1> sergiusens: rsalveti are we supposed to have 2 python versions?
[21:23] <sergiusens> rsalveti: the gallery is on rev 654 on our ppa
[21:23] <rsalveti> pmcgowan1: you mean 2.7 and 3?
[21:23] <sergiusens> rsalveti: that's also the last gunther commit
[21:23] <pmcgowan1> indeed
[21:24] <rsalveti> pmcgowan1: yup, ideally we'd only need python 3
[21:24] <rsalveti> but we still have a few things depending on python 2.7
[21:24] <rsalveti> sergiusens: let's spin a new new
[21:24] <rsalveti> *build
[21:24] <pmcgowan1> rsalveti: assume that we will fix that soon?
[21:24] <rsalveti> pmcgowan1: sergiusens might know better, iirc that was also required by autotest
[21:25] <rsalveti> but the idea is to just use python 3 later this year
[21:25] <pmcgowan1> ok
[21:25] <sergiusens> pmcgowan1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5599463/
[21:25] <rsalveti> we might just need a transition plan
[21:25] <pmcgowan1> sergiusens: what are you telling me
[21:26] <rsalveti> yeah, most will all go away
[21:26] <sergiusens> pmcgowan1: what is python2 and what is 3 in our image
[21:26] <rsalveti> might only need some work at ofono
[21:26] <pmcgowan1> sergiusens: I see, a big mess
[21:27] <rsalveti> the telephony ones will probably go away once that is all part of telepathy
[21:27] <rsalveti> notify-osd is another big one
[21:27] <sergiusens> the unity ones will go away as well
[21:27] <rsalveti> which brings nux and family
[21:33] <sergiusens> rsalveti: are you configuring a clean build
[21:33] <sergiusens> ?
[21:35] <sergiusens> rsalveti: mhall119 all the core apps seem to be missing the qtdeclarative5-hud1.0 dep
[21:41] <mterry> What package holds the Ubuntu.Application qml plugin?
[21:43] <sergiusens> mterry: from the top of my head qtubuntu...
[21:43] <sergiusens> /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/imports/Ubuntu/Application
[21:43] <mterry> sergiusens, ah thanks
[21:43] <mterry> sergiusens, hard to find when I don't have it installed  :)
[21:44] <mhall119> sergiusens: I didn't know we needed that
[21:45] <mterry> sergiusens, that used to be called libhud-qml or some such
[21:45] <mterry> just a rename
[21:45] <mhall119> sergiusens: currently none of the core apps call HUD directly, they just get it because MainView has it, which means the Ubuntu UI components should be depending on the right HUD package
[21:46] <mterry> mhall119, that's not totally true.  Most of the core apps import the HUD qml module
[21:46] <sergiusens> all the core apps from Canonical do
[21:46]  * sergiusens was trying to figure out a split between core apps pre CES and post
[21:47] <mhall119> sergiusens: sorry, when you say "core apps" I'm thinking the community developed ones that popey and I are working with
[21:48] <mhall119> and currently none of them are calling HUD directly
[21:49] <Oranger> because we can call the HUD directly ?...
[21:52] <sergiusens> mhall119: for clarities sake, we should find a naming that we can all understand :-)
[21:52] <sergiusens> mhall119: so none of them have the hud quit rule?
[21:56] <popey> sergiusens: Default Apps, Core Apps, Collection, Other... ☻
[21:57] <mhall119> sergiusens: not in their code, they get it from MainView in the SDK
[22:02] <bobweaver> Hello all I have mad some off line docs for qtcreator using QHelpEngineCore and ubuntu-ui-toolkit-offline. wondering if anyone would like to try it ?
[22:03] <sergiusens> mhall119: ok, thanks
[22:03] <sergiusens> popey: some _core_ apps are default now too ;-)
[22:03] <sergiusens> I guess it's the goal of all cores
[22:03] <popey> that doesn't stop them being core apps ☻
[22:04] <popey> but I agree, the naming is a bit confusing
[22:18] <QuentinF> Hi
[22:18] <QuentinF> Anyone have link for dual boot android/ubuntu on nexus 4 ?
[22:18] <QuentinF> Thanks
[22:32] <Oranger> mhall119: For images in docviewer, do the user need to zoom in/zoom out ?
[22:35] <popey> QuentinF: yes..
[22:35] <popey> QuentinF: http://barrenfrozenwasteland.com/2013/03/dual-booting-android-and-ubuntu-touch-on-the-nexus-7/
[22:36] <popey> not nexus 4, nexus 7.. might work ㋛
[22:37] <Oranger> maybe I can ask it to you popey ^^ I don't see it in the blueprint so... i make the images zoomable like in the gallery or not ?
[22:38] <mhall119> Oranger: I'd say yes also
[22:38] <mhall119> it's not *critical*, but it sure would be nice to have
[22:38] <Oranger> mhall119: Ok, because I thought myself something... images will not be opened bu default by the gallery ?
[22:40] <sergiusens> rsalveti: went from scratch to ppa and seems to work.
[22:40] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I had to install the mediaplayer aal plugin
[22:41] <Oranger> mhall119: And I'm not sure if I can know when the user do the "zoom gesture"
[22:41] <sergiusens> rsalveti: although notes-app hasn't been updated with the new hud stuff yet
[22:49] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right
[22:49] <rsalveti> sergiusens: but guess we can already switch, what do you think?
[22:52] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I say switch so we unmask any other issues
[22:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, let's do it
[22:52] <rsalveti> NOW :-)
[22:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti: we need builds with latest so we don't run into surprises
[22:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I need to leave NOW, but can do it when I get back
[22:53] <rsalveti> sergiusens: we just need to add the ppa, right?
[22:53] <rsalveti> I can do and trigger a build now
[22:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yup
[22:53] <rsalveti> and add mediaplayer as well
[22:53] <rsalveti> so it's done til you're back
[22:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti: already added mediaplayer
[22:54] <rsalveti> my internet will probably be fixed just later today anyway
[22:54] <sergiusens> rsalveti: once that's done I can get my webapps-demo MRed
[22:54] <rsalveti> downloading at 5kb/s now
[22:54] <sergiusens> see you soon
[22:54] <rsalveti> sergiusens: ok, will add it
[23:12] <mhall119> Oranger: don't worry about if for the first cut then
[23:13] <Oranger> mhall119: ok
[23:13] <Oranger> thanks :)
[23:15] <mhall119> np, thank you for all the work
[23:23] <QuentinF> Oh :( after ubuntu install fail, my nexus 4 can't restore .. How can I restore ?
[23:35] <Thiagovfar> I wish to try ubuntu on my nexus 7, but want to backup the data on it before anything. Is adb backup up to the task?
[23:58] <Carter> Hello
[23:58] <Carter> So if I read the articles right, Ubuntu Touch currently has no apps or real functionality unless you're a developer?