[01:10] <linuxman410> anyone here
[01:34] <wrst> hey linuxman410
[01:35] <linuxman410> hey wrst how r u
[01:36] <wrst> good linuxman410 kinda looking at laptops i don't think mine is going to be around for a lot longer
[01:36] <linuxman410> what r u looking at
[01:37] <linuxman410> r u looking at used or new
[01:39] <wrst> new/refurbished
[01:39] <wrst> probably be a few months before the screen falls ofbut want to be ready for when it does :)
[01:39] <linuxman410> where r u looking
[01:39] <wrst> tigedirect newegg, and also looking at system76 and zareasons
[13:49] <Xpistos> Morning everyone. wrst.
[13:49] <wrst> Xpistos: whats up?
[13:49] <Xpistos> not much
[14:12] <wrst> that's a good way to starta  friday Xpistos
[14:33] <netritious> Good morning locotn
[14:36] <Svpernova09> Mornin
[14:37] <netritious> what it b Svpernova09
[14:37] <Svpernova09> nm, same ole same ole work >.<
[14:38] <netritious> I hear ya
[14:38] <netritious> work is good though :)
[14:38] <Svpernova09> Yep, they keep wanting me to come back :_D
[14:38] <netritious> ? not sure I follow
[14:38] <netritious> did you leave?
[14:39] <netritious> like permanently?
[14:40] <Svpernova09> oh no
[14:40] <Svpernova09> I'm still employed = they want me to keep coming back
[14:41] <Svpernova09> I just spent 2 days moving our in our physical servers to VMs
[14:41] <Svpernova09> our in house*
[14:41] <netritious> oh lol..haven't had my coffee this morning :D
[14:41] <netritious> nice
[14:41] <wrst> netritious: wow you are here
[14:42] <netritious> wrst: tada!
[14:42] <netritious> what, you thought I was never coming back?
[14:43] <netritious> morning Genphlux
[14:44] <wrst> i had confidence you would arrive again netritious
[14:44] <wrst> morning Genphlux
[14:45] <netritious> hehe of course...just teasing you ;)
[14:46] <netritious> so what have you been up to wrst?
[14:46] <wrst> very little netritious, i have been somewhat messing with drupal 7 and joomla a little bit
[14:47] <netritious> not teh Joomla!
[14:47] <wrst> yeah i'm not so sure on it, you have any opinions netritious?
[14:47] <wrst> oh and installed wordpress i have a computer running drupal 6, drupal 7, wordpress, and joomla
[14:48] <netritious> nice
[14:48] <netritious> I'm not a fan of Joomla
[14:49] <wrst> netritious: i can't say i am the control panel  and that stuff is nice but its execution of everythign just doesn't seem to work as well as drupal does for websites
[14:49] <netritious> I like word press for simple sites, drupal is neat, modx cms is also neat if you design and develop and use PHP a lot
[14:49] <wrst> and for blogs wordpress is about imposible to beat
[14:49] <netritious> yeah
[14:50] <netritious> I haven't used modx in years though
[14:50] <wrst> modx looks cool
[14:51] <wrst> i'm nodeveloper so i'm thinking that drupal is abotu as advanced as i need to get
[14:52] <netritious> yeah, modx is definitely not for non-coders...whoever has to manage it and create features needs to be pretty fluent in PHP
[14:52] <netritious> not expert or anything just familiar enough to get around
[14:53] <wrst> that is certainly not me netritious :)
[14:53] <netritious> the coolest feature is "snippets" where you basically insert some PHP in a form field and save it to a db (built-in to modx) and use a short tag on a page [~code_reference~] and modx does the rest
[14:53] <wrst> and wordpress is very simple but just about too locked in for my taste drupal seems to be a decent middle ground
[14:54] <netritious> yeah drupal is a lot more flexible than WP
[15:01] <wrst> but it is also slow netritious
[15:03] <netritious> wrst true, but not as slow as it could be?
[15:03]  * netritious 's attempt at glass half full
[15:03] <wrst> true and for a non programmer like me its a good mid point on lots of things
[15:56] <Dan9186[MM]> woohoo, yay for windows 7 training....
[16:01] <netritious> why would you need win 7 training?
[16:02] <Dan9186[MM]> work paid for all of us to go
[16:03] <Dan9186[MM]> there's a thing or two that's been useful but the rest is please kill me now
[16:03] <netritious> hehe
[16:03] <Dan9186[MM]> where's kavorkian when you need him?
[16:04] <netritious> I can imagine it now Dan9186[MM]...
[16:04] <netritious> "You see this little circle on the bottom left? It's called 'The Orb' and is like the Start button in XP, but better."
[16:05] <Dan9186[MM]> na, it's largely how to do settings in win7 and some of the higher features like imaging
[16:05] <netritious> ok so not as bad as it could be
[16:05] <Dan9186[MM]> right, but doesn't mean it's not painful
[16:06] <Dan9186[MM]> oh hey by the way our next lan is coming up, you gonna join?
[16:06] <netritious> when is it again?
[16:06] <Dan9186[MM]> dec 11
[16:06] <netritious> at what time?
[16:07] <Dan9186[MM]> i think 11 or noon
[16:07] <Dan9186[MM]> is when it starts
[16:07] <Dan9186[MM]> ends when it ends
[16:09] <netritious> do I need to bring my pc or will you have pc's there? I know most lan parties are BYOC but just asking
[16:09] <netritious> I'm lazy lol
[16:10] <netritious> not really but lazy enough I guess
[16:10] <Dan9186[MM]> BYOC
[16:13] <netritious> cool...in that case I might swing by just to check it out...will bring my laptop
[16:15] <netritious> I think I told you before the only game I own now is UT2004...still trying to find my Redneck Rampage cd though
[16:15] <Dan9186[MM]> we may actually have us a space by then too
[16:15] <Dan9186[MM]> that's fine, we have games available too, least for windows :P
[16:16] <Dan9186[MM]> http://wiki.midsouthmakers.org/a/LAN_Party
[16:16] <Dan9186[MM]> details will be put up there as more becomes known
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> g'mornin' all!
[16:18] <Dan9186[MM]> mornin
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> heya Dan.  Hows the day treatin' ya?
[16:18] <Dan9186[MM]> stuck in winblows training :(
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> you can dew eet!
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> hang in there lol
[16:19] <Dan9186[MM]> well i do know one of the guys is hung over :P
[16:19] <Dan9186[MM]> or maybe still drunk not sure
[16:19] <xTEMPLARx> haha
[16:20] <xTEMPLARx> love the home-made power strip
[16:20] <Dan9186[MM]> ah yeah, that was made by one of attendees that is a little more on the cheap side
[16:21] <elijah-mbp> i thought it was nice.  :)
[16:22] <elijah-mbp> (no kidding, i've seen much worse things than that.  like devices i've powered by cutting the female end off a PC power cable and wrapping the wires around terminal posts...)
[16:23] <Dan9186[MM]> hehe
[16:25] <Dan9186[MM]> if it works then who cares right?
[16:26] <Dan9186[MM]> the only scarey part about that power strip is that the guy who made it does not make an electrician, and there is no telling whether something he wires together is doen right or not
[16:30] <elijah-mbp> hopefully he's wrappd his connects in something like electrical tape, then, to at least cut down on electrocution possibility.
[16:31] <elijah-mbp> or nice little twist on connects to join wires… the kind that screw on over the tips?  you know what i mean?  can't remember the name right now.
[16:32] <Dan9186[MM]> i've always just called em screw caps
[16:36] <xTEMPLARx> wire nuts
[16:37] <xTEMPLARx> "twist-on wire connector" is the "proper" term... wire nut is technically a trademark, kinda like calling snot tissues Kleenex
[16:37] <elijah-mbp> wire nuts!
[16:37] <elijah-mbp> thanks
[16:37] <xTEMPLARx> yup i always call'em wire nuts :D
[16:51] <wrst> xTEMPLARx:  wow you are here!
[16:51] <Dan9186[MM]> no i'm here, he's there
[16:51] <wrst> ok thanks for setting me straight on that Dan9186[MM] :P
[16:52] <Dan9186[MM]> glad to :)
[16:52] <wrst> ha ha well i'm glad i'm not at win 7 training Dan9186[MM] maybe you can bring some of that knowledge back to us :)
[16:56]  * Dan9186[MM] points at the computer
[16:56] <Dan9186[MM]> it's windows 7, there now you know everything i've learned
[16:58] <wrst> well i wasn't really wanting much i mean i never see all that much difference from one release to the next of windows
[16:58] <wrst> :)
[17:07] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  in and out... and for once, I"m not lookin to pick anybody's brain for anything... lol
[17:12] <wrst> ha ha xTEMPLARx
[17:16] <Dan9186[MM]> xTEMPLARx: i know netritious doesn't have a brain to pick,  but what about wrst?
[17:18] <netritious> mmmmm BRAINS! lol
[17:18] <netritious> sup xTEMPLARx
[17:18] <Dan9186[MM]> hehe, oops forgot you were here :P
[17:19] <netritious> ;)
[17:21] <xTEMPLARx> heya net!
[17:45] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ping
[17:54] <netritious> what have you been up to xTEMPLARx?
[17:54] <netritious> hey pace_t_zulu
[17:56] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: pong
[18:03] <pace_t_zulu> hey netritious
[18:03] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you use natty recently?
[18:03] <Xpistos> Hey netritious
[18:04] <wrst> last ngiht just to see if there were updates available
[18:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: are graphics really slow for you?
[18:05] <wrst> yeah they have been since i enabled the compiz/unity repo
[18:12] <netritious> hey Xpistos
[18:17] <xTEMPLARx> net:  not much
[18:18] <xTEMPLARx> been fighting with our proprietary firewall appliance here over the last two weeks, netritious
[18:18] <xTEMPLARx> working with tech support to narrow down problems
[18:18] <xTEMPLARx> i'm hoping to have a replacement unit sent out but still in limbo on that
[18:18] <xTEMPLARx> in the meantime, I've finally gotten the company to let me put the pfSense router/fw in place and it's performed flawlessly in its stead.
[18:19] <xTEMPLARx> I could persuade them to keep it there if only our other office in Israel wasn't also using the firewall appliance that isnt' working for us... it uses a proprietary VPN that's similar to IPSEC but not similar enough for the IPSEC tunnel from pfSense to function with it
[18:45] <netritious> xTEMPLARx: have you tried pfSense 2.0 branch?
[18:46] <netritious> there are tons of enhancements...not sure if the IPsec is addressed particularly but at least you have something worthy on standby atm with the 1.2 branch
[18:48] <xTEMPLARx> nope i installed whatever u said u were using, I believe.  lemme double-check
[18:48] <xTEMPLARx> yeah I'm using 1.2.3-RELEASE
[18:49] <xTEMPLARx> netritious: looks like 2.0 is still in beta, eh?
[18:51] <netritious> it is *but* it's a very mature beta
[18:51] <netritious> not saying to go run it in production, but I would definitely poke my head in the irc channel and maybe ask if whatever you're using is supported
[18:52] <netritious> ...in 2.0
[18:53] <netritious> since you've said 1.2.x is a no go
[18:53] <xTEMPLARx> I don't blame pfSense, though
[18:54] <xTEMPLARx> i blame the Safe@Office appliance for using a proprietary VPN
[18:54] <netritious> yeah what can you do? just gotta work with it
[18:54] <netritious> never heard of it
[18:54] <xTEMPLARx> two companies have their hands in it:  checkpoint and sofaware
[18:54] <netritious> eek
[18:55] <xTEMPLARx> I had never heard of it either, b ut its what our israeli office was already using and they suggested it to us
[18:55] <netritious> I know of checkpoint never managed it though
[18:56] <netritious> haven't heard of sofaware
[19:01] <xTEMPLARx> why u say eek?
[19:01] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[19:02] <netritious> because checkpoint is proprietary
[19:03] <netritious> like cisco and watchguard
[19:03] <xTEMPLARx> yup
[19:04] <xTEMPLARx> and even though their website calls it's VPN "IPSEC", its obviously some altered version...
[19:04] <xTEMPLARx> or else I'm missing some config option that they're assuming and automatically using
[19:04] <netritious> have you google'd around about it?
[19:05] <xTEMPLARx> somewhat but not much... most roads lead back to their own forums
[19:05] <netritious> btw xTEMPLARx did you get your opteron server in?
[19:06] <xTEMPLARx> noper... the various renditions were submitted for approval to my manager, who is tasked with getting it finally approved, and I would guess that its either been shelved due to forgetfulness or the management's desire not to spend money
[19:10] <netritious> roger
[19:11] <netritious> it's funny how that works out...what was your final price tag? roughly
[19:12] <xTEMPLARx> it varied, from pretty darned reasonable (one system wasn't much over around 1100-1200) to around 2000-2200 or so  I don't remember
[19:12] <xTEMPLARx> and they have all my notes
[19:13] <netritious> how many cores/ram/hdd etc
[19:13] <netritious> and how many vms did you intend to host?
[19:13] <xTEMPLARx> i think I ended up with a 6 core on the low end and 12 on the upper
[19:14] <xTEMPLARx> # of VMs were never really nailed down to a set number, but likely would fluctuate depending on the machine we could afford
[19:14] <xTEMPLARx> kinda like hard disk space, we'd find a use for however much we could run
[19:14] <netritious> right
[19:14] <xTEMPLARx> many of them likely wouldn't be running all the time
[19:14] <xTEMPLARx> just booted as needed for their purpose
[19:15] <netritious> yep..makes sense
[20:12]  * Genphlux just played Rock Band 3 using a nice Roland TD-4SX electronic kit.
[20:12] <Genphlux> I know what *I'M* spending $1300 on this month
[20:16] <xTEMPLARx> wot wot?
[20:16] <xTEMPLARx> a transmission!
[20:17] <xTEMPLARx> oh i didn't read everything
[20:18] <netritious> nice Genphlux
[20:19] <Genphlux> Yeah I've been eyeballing electronic kits for months now
[20:19] <Genphlux> if not a year
[20:19] <Genphlux> I'm stuck in an apartment so I can't have an acoustic set
[20:20] <netritious> the first time I played drums and felt like "wow this is too easy" was on a nice Roland kit...90's era
[20:20] <Genphlux> and Pearl makes a really cool acoustic set with electronic heads
[20:20] <netritious> you can but it costs more and not as fun
[20:20] <Genphlux> but its $3200
[20:20] <netritious> eek
[20:20] <Genphlux> Yeah but all you have to do is change the heads and add cymbals and you have a nice Pearl 5 pc kit
[20:20] <Genphlux> so I see the cost
[20:21] <netritious> talking about the Roland kit?
[20:21] <Genphlux> But the "Pro Mode" on Rock Band 3 allows you to actually play real instruments and actually play the real song, note for note, chord for chord, beat for beat
[20:21] <Genphlux> No the Pearls
[20:21] <Genphlux> The Roland kit is fully electronic
[20:21] <netritious> roger
[20:21] <Genphlux> but it has mesh heads that feel sorta like real drum heads
[20:21] <Genphlux> so it's cool
[20:22] <netritious> nice
[20:22] <Genphlux> I have a full keyboard already
[20:22] <Genphlux> so with their MIDI interface adapter, I can plug it into the game and play it
[20:22] <netritious> nice lol
[20:22] <netritious> can you play keyboard/piano Genphlux?
[20:23] <Genphlux> Eh, not a whole lot.  I like to tinker though
[20:23] <Genphlux> Maybe this will force me to be better though
[20:23] <Genphlux> I apparently like to say though a lot though
[20:24] <netritious> though you could have a worse habit
[20:24] <Genphlux> True.
[20:24] <Genphlux> Steph is going to get some accessories for me for Christmas
[20:24] <Genphlux> a nice double bass pedal
[20:25] <Genphlux> maybe an extra cymbal
[20:27] <netritious> nice
[20:44] <xTEMPLARx> personally, i'd rather have a double bass
[20:44] <xTEMPLARx> 3/4 of course
[20:44] <Genphlux> Yeah I'm definitely getting the pedal
[20:44] <Genphlux> Do you play?
[20:45] <Genphlux> I know back in the 90s when I played more, the Iron Cobra was one of the best DB pedals to buy.  Is that still the case?
[20:45] <xTEMPLARx> i play guitar, bass, keyboard (by ear), some fiddle, some banjo and of course percussion somewhat.
[20:45] <xTEMPLARx> when I said double bass, I was talking about an upright bass... as its proper name is the double bass
[20:45] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[20:45] <Genphlux> Oh haha gotcha
[20:46] <Genphlux> I never knew that
[20:46] <Genphlux> Cool little tid bit there
[20:46] <xTEMPLARx> i know a few excellent drummers and the one that I always revert back to as my bar for comparison firmly believes in a single bass pedal
[20:46] <xTEMPLARx> to hear him play, though, you'd never know there wasn't two
[20:47] <xTEMPLARx> he could flutter like a madman and dead on timing
[20:47] <xTEMPLARx> he's now doing the drum editing in Dave Grohl's recording studio.
[20:47] <xTEMPLARx> so he lives on the other coast now :(
[20:48] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you play fiddle i am jealous
[20:49] <xTEMPLARx> more like i play WITH the fiddle
[20:49] <xTEMPLARx> i've been recorded playing the thing, so I can get a somewhat pleasing sound out of one
[20:49] <Genphlux> I just bought a little starter banjo
[20:49] <Genphlux> to plink on
[20:49] <xTEMPLARx> none of the classic cat death-cry sound they're famous for
[20:49] <Genphlux> I'd love to have a mandolin for some reason
[20:49] <Genphlux> would be fun to learn
[20:49] <xTEMPLARx> nothign wrong with a starter banjo at all :D
[20:49] <xTEMPLARx> mandolin's fun too
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> i didn't add that to the list coz I don't own one
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> but i can pick out some tunes on them too
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> pretty much if its got a neck and some strings I can get something good out of it
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> may not be 100% proficient at it but I can keep myself from hurting ppl
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> the bow is a tricky thing to master
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> fun tho
[20:51] <Genphlux> The banjo I got apparently sells for the range of $150-$300 new.  This guy had it in his closet and it looked brand new and it included a gig bag, finger picks, and an extra set of strings, all for $50.
[20:51] <xTEMPLARx> not bad at all
[20:51] <xTEMPLARx> can't gripe about that
[20:51] <xTEMPLARx> my banjo is on "permanent loan" to me from one of my uncles who decided he was never really gonna learn  how to play it
[20:51] <Genphlux> Yeah I thought it was decent.  Of course all I want to learn is the beginning of Dueling Banjos from Deliverance right now.
[20:51] <wrst> that's cool xTEMPLARx i have a difficulty without frets
[20:51] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  its all about muscle memory and going to the same spots
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> its not so bad on the upright bass
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> upright bass is almost horseshoes and hand grenades
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> just gotta get close
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[20:52] <wrst> yeah i think i could hadle an upright, but a fiddle just is so uncomfortable to me
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> that it is
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> i can't play one for a long time
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> there's got to be some trick to holding it that I'm missing
[20:53] <wrst> yeah maybe if you hold a phone all day under your chin it would help?
[20:53] <xTEMPLARx> coz I see violinist/fiddlers that can run all over with their neck hand like its free to move, but I'm still holding the darned thing up with my hand so none of that
[20:53] <xTEMPLARx> i don't trust my chin and ur probably right wrst lol
[20:54] <wrst> yeah xTEMPLARx i think that is a lot of the issue not holding it completely with my chin
[20:54] <xTEMPLARx> i bet I'd like it a lot more and spend more time with it if I could get past that
[20:57] <netritious> aight guys afk for a bit
[20:57] <elijah-mbp> guitar players have a similar problem…. once you have a solid grip on the thing it's easier to make your hands walk up and down the neck.  :)
[20:58] <elijah-mbp> whole-body pressed against the instrument, etc
[21:02] <xTEMPLARx> with a good strap and a well-balanced guitar, though, usually don't have to hold it too much with either hand
[21:02] <xTEMPLARx> and sitting down, a properly-shaped guitar will lend itself to balancing perfectly on one leg without wanting to fall or slide in any particular direction
[21:02] <xTEMPLARx> one of the reasons I don't own odd-ball shaped instruments like the V and such
[21:13] <xTEMPLARx> my current favorite guitar:  http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-ash1/v333/251/59/529452389/n529452389_778111_8937.jpg
[22:06] <pace_t_zulu> slow day


[01:36] <morten> Hi, if i want to build a package in ppa, should i use hardy? (in the changelog)
[01:36] <morten> (i get
[01:36] <morten> Not permitted to upload to the RELEASE pocket in a series in the 'CURRENT' state.)
[01:37] <lifeless> intrepid
[01:39] <morten> ok, thanks.. ill try that
[01:40] <poolie> morten: you should use whichever distro you want to target
[01:41] <poolie> morten: i think that error means you forgot to tell dput to upload to the ppa rather than ubuntu
[01:43] <morten> poolie: aah, ofcourse... i just used dput, i need dput my-ppa... thanks! forgot to use the dput.cf profile
[01:47] <poolie> morten: i think i have some tips for this on sourcefrog.net/blog
[01:47] <poolie> you can disable the default target, which makes this easier
[01:47] <poolie> sorry /weblog
[01:47] <poolie> hm, no, i don't
[01:47] <poolie> i should post
[02:05] <bd_> Rejected: nominatedarchindep is not present in legal_archseries <--- I got this when uploading an arch:all package to my PPA in suite intrepid. What does it mean?
[02:09] <jamesh> bd_: what are you trying to build?
[02:10] <bd_> jamesh: haskell-devscripts from debian unstable
[02:10] <bd_> one sec, I'll upload it to my server
[02:10] <jamesh> bd_: which Ubuntu version are you trying to build on?
[02:11] <bd_> jamesh: intrepid, just to see if it'd work :)
[02:11] <jamesh> there is a possibility that the PPAs haven't been set up for intrepid yet
[02:11] <bd_> http://fushizen.net/~bd/ppafailure/ <-- the upload
[02:11] <bd_> jamesh: yeah, it shows up on their UIs though
[02:12]  * bd_ uploads to hardy
[02:12] <bd_> just thought I ought to make a note of it somewhere for the admins to see
[03:19] <rockstar_> Who is the vcs-imports operator
[03:19] <rockstar_> ?
[03:21] <lifeless> mwhudson is probably primary
[03:21] <lifeless> the bazaar-canonical team wears the general hat
[03:23] <mwhudson> i've been slack lately :(
[03:24] <mwhudson> rockstar_: we'll have to teach you how to do it at some point :)
[03:25] <rockstar_> mwhudson, are busy right now?
[03:25] <rockstar_> I've got two projects that I've been waiting to get imported...
[03:25] <rockstar_> Didn't know that was the responsibility of my team.
[03:25] <rockstar_> :)
[03:26] <lifeless> would be good to make it a LOSA task I think
[03:26] <mwhudson> rockstar_: i'm ill :/
[03:26] <mwhudson> probably have enough brain power to start two imports though
[03:26] <lifeless> always intended to have a split between coding and operations
[03:26] <mwhudson> rockstar_: which are they?
[03:26] <mwhudson> lifeless: well, in the new system it will be much much less tedious
[03:27] <rockstar_> entertainer and restore-backup
[03:28] <mwhudson> grar, self-signed certificate?
[03:28] <rockstar_> mwhudson, yea, don't know why they used https...
[03:33] <mwhudson> rockstar_: i've started them both
[03:33] <rockstar_> Sweet, thanks.
[03:33] <rockstar_> mwhudson, maybe next week you can show me how to do it.
[03:33] <mwhudson> rockstar_: sure
[03:34] <rockstar_> I've used bzr-svn to to convert stuff before.  Was stuck on the https stuff...
[04:46] <artfwo> hi! I've just uploaded a package update to PPA, but forgot to include orig.tgz... got the "accepted" mail, which listed .orig.tar.gz among the files and the package built okay
[04:46] <artfwo> does launchpad pick .orig from somewhere else?
[04:53] <LaserJock> it can grab them from the Ubuntu archive if it exists
[04:54] <artfwo> thanks LaserJock! (just making sure nothing's wrong) :)
[12:38] <ffm_> Hey, for some reason even after I sucessfully upload my .changes file, my ppa doesn't show the upload.
[12:39] <ffm_> Any ideas why?
[16:31] <intellectronica> gnomefreak: hi
[16:32] <gnomefreak> intellectronica: hi
[16:32] <intellectronica> gnomefreak: i'd love to get some more information about those replies to bugs
[16:32] <gnomefreak> intellectronica: cant i fixed it it was thunderbird that screwed it up
[16:33]  * intellectronica sighs with relief
[16:33] <gnomefreak> i havent gotten back to reply to list yet i have to resend all those bugs out
[16:33] <gnomefreak> there was 10 not 3
[16:33] <intellectronica> gnomefreak: that's ok. but if you can post something later, just so other folks wouldn't be worried it would be great
[16:33] <intellectronica> if you're busy i can also do it myself
[16:34] <gnomefreak> i can do it in a while unless  its urgent
[16:34] <intellectronica> gnomefreak: no, not urgent. thanks!
[16:34] <gnomefreak> no problem sorry about that
[16:34] <intellectronica> no worries
[16:46] <gnomefreak> intellectronica: thanks i sent thhe reply
[16:47] <intellectronica> gnomefreak: excellent, thanks a lot
[16:47] <gnomefreak> anytime
[16:47] <gnomefreak> :)
[17:52] <fta> are the PPAs open for intrepid ? i've pushed a package to hardy and intrepid, both accepted, only hardy has been built, intrepid is not even queued.
[18:28] <sistpoty> seems like my upload of xmms-audacious to intrepid got stuck somewhere? (didn't get an accepted mail)...
[18:29] <sistpoty> ogra just pointed me to bug #225642... *clueless*
[18:30] <sistpoty> should I reupload?
[18:35] <kiko-afk> sistpoty, I think that's fixed already, though -- when was your upload?
[18:35] <sistpoty> kiko-afk: few hours ago... s.th. around 14UTC
[18:40] <sistpoty> bleh... it was xmms-crossfade, not xmms-audacious :/
[19:38] <sistpoty> reuploading xmms-crossfade worked... thanks a lot!
[19:45] <fta> intrepid & ppa ? anyone ?
[20:43] <gnomefreak> how do you open upstream bug tracker i thought it was project at one time but thats not showing me the mozilla upstream bugzilla and its not under  dist. package
[20:49] <Mimi> Mmm... "Please paste a clear-signed copy of the following phrase into the box below. "   Mmm.. the thing it's asking for is something that starts with: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ... right? :)
[22:00] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> hi there, may i ask a short question?
[22:00] <kiko-afk> maybe.
[22:01] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> ah, ok
[22:01] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> i am hosting a project at launchpad an i have a question related to the ppa
[22:02] <kiko-afk> sdfdsfdsfdsf, the suspense is killing me! out with the question! :)
[22:03] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> when i set up my debian/changelog i write gutsy as ubuntu "series"
[22:03] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> now, of course i want to support hardy
[22:03] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> is it possible to set up to releases in one debian/changelog?
[22:03] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> e.g. gutsy, hardy
[22:03] <kiko-afk> I guess you mean two releases
[22:04] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> yes
[22:04] <kiko-afk> the answer is no, but you should use the new copy-packages feature to handle that
[22:04] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> or do i have to make to versions for each release
[22:04] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> ah, ok. thank you
[22:05] <kiko-afk> read more here: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart#copy
[22:07] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> ok, it is working like a charme
[22:07] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> brillant feature
[22:08] <kiko-afk> glad you like it :)
[22:09] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> just waiting for the copy to finish ;-)
[22:09] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> thanks for your help
[22:09] <sdfdsfdsfdsf> bye
[22:37] <gnomefreak> how are features handled in LP example asking questions like steps to reproduce and grabbing info from them something like mozilla's bugtracker when you file bug they ask for most of what we do sooner or later this would make it faster IMHO for everyone


[22:19] <gamerchick02> howdy. anyone in here try the new Cherry MX nature white switches? i got them on a new Ducky board and they are lovely.
[22:23] <jrwren> what are they like?
[22:29] <cmaloney> hey, jrwren is back!


[00:02] <dutchie> that's done the trick
[00:02] <dutchie> thanks jbicha
[00:02] <jbicha> cool, I'm going to see if I can add that to Tweak Tool
[00:12] <bjsnider> jbicha, gnome tweak tool?
[00:23] <dutchie> oh, another thing while i'm here: i seem to have problems booting my btrfs disk
[00:24] <dutchie> it worked fine in precise
[00:28] <dutchie> i get "No filesystem could mount root, tried: ext3 ext4 vfat fuseblk" followed by a panic after some stuff that scrolled past before i could ready it
[00:29] <dutchie> read
[00:29] <jbicha> dutchie: actually the focus settings is already in Tweak Tool, it's the bottom setting on the Windows panel
[00:30] <dutchie> i should try the tweak tool :)
[00:59] <bjsnider> jbicha, gnome tweak tool?
[01:02] <jbicha> yeah
[01:02] <bjsnider> jbicha, if you make changes and submit them upstream would they probably be accepted at this point?
[01:04] <jbicha> well the changes aren't needed after all
[03:54] <metaphysician> Default filesystem in 12.10?
[03:56] <ikonia> ext4
[03:57] <metaphysician> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1210_filesystems&num=1
[03:58] <ikonia> why are you showing me that ?
[05:36] <crf> When I press the power key on my computer, a menu comes up offering to suspend/hibernate/restart/shutdown, but when I choose "suspend" nothing at all happens. But I can suspend and also hibernate the computer when using the menu on the top right of the panel. I can also pm-suspend from a terminal.
[06:52] <MonkeyDust> will classic / fallback still be available in quantal?
[07:49] <linocisco> hi According to this http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds, do I have to download .iso file daily?
[07:52] <susundbe1g> google for 'Quantal Quetzal daily build'
[07:54] <gnomefreak> the link is in the topic of the channel
[07:54] <gnomefreak>  Beta1 Released http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10
[08:28] <linocisco> the office will kill me if I download over 600MB daily
[08:33] <geser> you can use the daily iso to install it (e.g. into a VM) and you can keep it up-to-date like any other installation
[08:35] <geser> depending on how much gets uploaded each day you have to download around 50 MB each day (perhaps on some days a little more but much less than an ISO)
[08:35] <geser> hmm, is it still possible to rsync the ISO to keep it up-to-date?
[08:50] <dutchie> anybody know why the kernel in quantal might not boot a btrfs root fs? i have a separate ext4 /boot partition, and it worked fine in 12.04
[09:26] <MonkeyDust> will classic / fallback still be available in quantal?
[09:33] <ior3k> MonkeyDust: I think so, I'm using it now
[09:47] <MonkeyDust> ior3k  great
[11:18] <crozar> hi all i got a problem i have a shuttle pc which has windows 7 and ubuntu 12.10 , somehow i had 12.04 before and it was running fine however on 2d . after i upgraded to 12.10 , on the login screen theirs no option to load 2d unity so i tried logging in i get compiz error closed unexpectdly etc... now theirs no way to go in unless i install 2d unity , and i have ATI 4200 HD gfx card
[11:22] <fm__> crozar: to my knowledge unity 2d is discontinued
[11:22] <fm__> it should now fallback to llvmpipe
[11:23] <fm__> no idea what to do if it does not
[11:23] <fm__> i suggest: report a bug ;)
[11:23] <crozar> i did any ways to just login im really upset
[11:24] <crozar> if u know how to install ati drivers for my graphics card it will be helpful i guess it will fix the problem
[11:24] <JEEB> anyone else with kepler here btw? (nvidia GPU series)
[12:08] <distorx> hi to all, I just install 12.10  and in my connection either wire or wifi i got no connection.  Sound like a dns problem because i can ping ip addrs but not names
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:54] <vp18> is the beta 1 out yet because i cannot get it?
[15:55] <bazhang> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/    vp18 from here?
[15:55] <JEEB> I should really check if the beta still has the kepler bug in nouveau
[15:56] <JEEB> couldn't get X with a daily iso on saturday
[16:14] <vp18> i need help i went unity and typed in update manager -d and nothing happened
[16:23] <bazhang> vp18, what does lsb_release -a show in the terminal
[16:23] <bazhang> !version | vp18
[16:53] <IdleOne> bazhang: most recent update about 20 minutes ago (for me) gave me 3.5.0-15-generic
[16:53] <bazhang> nice one
[16:54] <bazhang> killer_, get unetbootin, get the beta iso or 12.10 and do it that way
[16:54] <killer_> i have got a usb stick on which i wanna install ubuntu 12.10 ....while my pc has 12.04........how do i install ubuntu 12.10 on it.....(not a live cd using unetbootin)
[16:54] <bazhang> or the usb-disk-creator
[16:54] <bazhang> killer_, you want persistence?
[16:55] <killer_> unetbootin will give me a system which will forget all installed software n settings on reboot(bazhang)
[16:55] <arielsanflo> help
[16:55] <bazhang> !find rtl8192
[16:55] <IdleOne> !usb
[16:55] <IdleOne> killer_: follow this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[16:55] <IdleOne> it will make it persistent and save changes after reboot
[16:55] <bazhang> killer_, thus my question about persistence
[19:49] <frandieguez> hi all, I'm about downloading the daily-live Ubuntu Quantal image for my MacbookPro 8,2. If found that at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120918.1/ there are two different images: 64bits PC and 64 bits Mac. Whats the difference between them?
[19:51] <jbicha> frandieguez: have you ever installed Ubuntu on a Mac?
[19:52] <frandieguez> jbicha, yes a lot of times. All my computers are Apple branded
[19:52] <frandieguez> I use refit for boot Ubuntu
[19:53] <frandieguez> I'm reading this askubuntu.com page
[19:53] <frandieguez> http://askubuntu.com/questions/37999/what-is-different-about-the-mac-iso-image
[19:54] <jbicha> well, there's the answer :)
[19:56] <frandieguez> ok, sorry for the buzz
[22:55] <dr_willis> Howdy all.. noticed an odd bug.. Plsaying a video file (well  a dvd image directory) it works. but if i pause the video. sound never resumes when i resume the video


[07:41] <alaskaposer> is this the right place to ask about hardware reccomendations for 10?
[18:03] <hugolp> hi, I installed mythweb and asked it to redirect the root directory to mythweb
[18:03] <hugolp> I want to undo that
[18:03] <hugolp> anyone can tell me where in the apache configuration is that?
[19:51] <PelleRavn> Hey dudes
[19:52] <PelleRavn> I know you maybe get this question alot, but when I install Mythbuntu it asks for a username and password, and I just can't find it anywhere on the net. Tried every combination I could come up with
[19:53] <tgm4883> PelleRavn, what do you mean? In the LiveCD?
[19:53] <PelleRavn> Well. No. I select "Install Mythbuntu", but it looks like it's booting up as a LiveCD.
[19:54] <tgm4883> yea it is
[19:54] <PelleRavn> Okay. Do you know what the username and password is for the LiveCD then?
[19:55] <tgm4883> PelleRavn, there isn't one
[19:55] <PelleRavn> well, blank username and password doesn't work
[19:55] <tgm4883> try ubuntu?
[19:56] <PelleRavn> Mythbuntu should work, why would they even make it if it doesn't work anyway?
[19:57]  * tgm4883 sighs
[19:57] <tgm4883> I meant try "ubuntu" as a username
[19:57] <PelleRavn> Ohh :P
[19:57] <PelleRavn> Tried that aswell
[19:57] <PelleRavn> doesn't work
[19:57] <PelleRavn> alså mythbuntu, mythtv
[19:58] <PelleRavn> also*
[19:58] <PelleRavn> and roor
[19:58] <PelleRavn> root*
[19:58] <PelleRavn> and mythbuntu
[19:58] <tgm4883> sounds more like the live session is dieing and kicking you back to the login screen
[19:58] <tgm4883> did you try safe graphics mode?
[19:59] <PelleRavn> It gives me a "authentication failed" answer everytime..
[19:59] <PelleRavn> No I didn't
[19:59] <PelleRavn> Where do I select that?
[20:00] <tgm4883> I think that is selectable from the boot menu
[20:00] <PelleRavn> I'll try. one sec
[20:02] <PelleRavn> In F4 menu (Modes) there's only "Normal", "Use driver update disc" and "OEM Install"
[23:59] <ComradeHaz`> Hey guys.


[00:05] <stochastic> ScottL, I think I'd vote no for the recommends of hydrogen-drumkits unless the drumkits package is updated to 0.9.4 (as this would show the package isn't going to be phased out in the future)
[00:06] <stochastic> I would however be in favour of adding hydrogen-drumkits to either the ubuntustudio-audio or ubuntustudio-audio-plugins meta packages as we've generally been trying to get Ubuntu Studio to be setup without reliance on a network connection.
[00:07] <stochastic> though I'm not terribly strongly opinionated either way
[00:39] <ScottL> stochastic, I think it would be nice to update the package to include the new drumkits available
[00:39] <ScottL> including hydrogen-drumkits with ubunstudio-audio would be nice because it keeps it in our purview
[00:41] <ScottL> and I also discovered that you have to download and install the drumkits over the web singularly, which kinda sucks compared to the -drumkits package in that aspect
[00:41] <ScottL> i'll dig into trying to update the hydrogen-drumkits package this week


[00:09] <awe_> mariogrip, indeed!  looks like progress...
[01:54] <mTeK> How do you try to port a device that is on 5.1, isn't touch based off of 4.4?
[01:55] <Stanley00> mTeK: did you read the porting guide of ubuntu-touch?
[01:56] <mTeK> yes but somewhere I got the Idea that you needed a 4.4 device
[01:57] <Stanley00> mTeK: where did you get that?
[01:58] <mTeK> I don't remember now but I thought that the current touch was based of off 4.4, it's been awhile since I looked into porting it to my device
[02:00] <mTeK> Stanley00:  this must be where i saw it http://www.xda-developers.com/porting-ubuntu-touch-is-as-simple-as-building-cm/
[02:02] <Stanley00> mTeK: I'm so sure with the porting, but in theory, all you need is just the source with all the driver and kernel specific for your phone.
[02:03] <Stanley00> mTeK: I can't find any mention to 4.4 on that page?
[02:03] <mTeK> It says CM 10
[02:03] <mTeK> that's 4.4
[02:04] <mTeK> I guess I should try, I build nighly for CM12 for my device and I have the phablet repo ready, well I need to sync it again. I just need to copy some of the blobs and run it i guess
[02:05] <Stanley00> mTeK: it's from 2013, a lot have changed since there. I think you should stick with the official wiki page since it's safer :3
[02:05] <Stanley00> *since then*
[02:05] <mTeK> Yes I've read that I just must have had this back in the storage part of my brain.
[02:08] <mTeK> Stanley00:  Read setting up your enviroment https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[02:09] <mTeK> its still 4.4.2
[02:10] <Stanley00> mTeK: it's just a reference...
[02:10] <mTeK> No it's not look at the gerrit server, Still at 4.4.2
[02:11] <mTeK> https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/#/q/status:open,n,z
[02:24] <Stanley00> mTeK: hmm... I'm not so sure, you can come back in about 6h, since most developer here is from EU. They can answer you at that time.
[04:53] <jnxd> hello, where do I head to if I find errors in the sites like https://design.ubuntu.com/?
[06:07] <gustav1234x> Hi. Anyone tried Ubuntu Touch on Fairphone 2? https://www.fairphone.com/
[06:10] <gustav1234x> Or FP1 for that matter.
[06:13] <diwic> gustav1234x, is FP2 out yet?
[06:14] <gustav1234x> No. I don’t think so.
[06:16] <diwic> gustav1234x, anyhow, the FP1 does not run Ubuntu Touch AFAIK
[06:16] <diwic> gustav1234x, it's not even listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[06:17] <gustav1234x> True. Not sure who gets to edit that page though.
[07:32] <dholbach> good morning
[08:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy International Day of Non-Violence! 😃
[08:38] <gustav1234x> \o/
[09:05] <tvoss> popey, any thoughts on my proposal for a launchpad project for tracking bugs/feature requests?
[09:13] <mpt> mandel, hi, what URL protocols does the Download Manager allow? The developer.ubuntu.com pages don’t say.
[10:47] <jgdx> mpt, might have better luck asking Elleo or kenvandine.
[10:57] <Elleo> mpt: from a quick glance at the source it looks like it's using QNetworkRequest for transfers which I believe only support HTTP, HTTPS and FTP, although a lot of the code looks like it assumes HTTP/HTTPS, so not certain if FTP works
[11:46] <jnxd> hello, where do I head to if I find errors in the sites like https://design.ubuntu.com/?
[11:48] <svij> jnxd: there is a "Report a bug on this site" on the bottom of the page
[11:50] <jnxd> svij: thanks. don't usually read such things.
[12:26] <mcphail> jnxd: website bugs don't seem to get much love
[12:28] <jnxd> mcphail: well, if it were a wiki, I'd have edited it myself, but this is as far as I can go
[12:29] <mcphail> jnxd: yep
[13:07] <mterry> jibel, your posted logs to bug 1501639 look good.  I assume the bug was fixed in 213?
[13:07] <ubot5`> bug 1501639 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "krillin/devel-proposed fails to boot" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501639
[13:12] <jibel> mterry, yes it is fixed. The problem now is different, it is the watchdog rebooting the device because location-service is crashing
[13:12] <jibel> mterry, thanks for the quick fix
[13:14] <mterry> jibel, awesome.  That problem is a different bug, right?  I'll finish off closing 1501639 then
[13:14] <mterry> jibel, (and I didn't even do anything!  it was already fixed when I investigated!  :))
[13:15] <mterry> jibel, oh huh!  I only saw your logs attachment email by LP
[13:15] <mterry> jibel, didn't notice your other comments or wouldn't have asked you  :)
[13:16] <jibel> np
[13:16] <jibel> I reclosed the bug too
[13:16] <mterry> cool
[13:17] <pmcgowan> jibel, hmm, so we decided to leave the system watchdog enabled, but that would result in a boot loop like this one
[13:17] <pmcgowan> for location service crashing
[13:17] <pmcgowan> thats not good
[13:17] <jibel> pmcgowan, indeed, that's not good
[13:17] <pmcgowan> may need to revisit, this is exactly the example I dont want
[13:18] <jibel> pmcgowan, which can the watchdog really fix actually?
[13:18] <pmcgowan> although, will it happen in a released image
[13:18] <pmcgowan> jibel, it can fix an issue where a resource is exhausted after a period of time
[13:18] <pmcgowan> thats about it
[13:18] <jibel> pmcgowan, s/can/case/
[13:19] <pmcgowan> sil2100, ^^
[13:19] <pmcgowan> jibel, tony convinced me not to remove the entire support, just the session version
[13:19] <pmcgowan> but now not so sure
[13:19] <pmcgowan> we cant purposely cause boot loops for non essential services
[13:20] <jibel> pmcgowan, it needs to have some smarts to decide whether or not it's right to reboot
[13:20] <pmcgowan> jibel, indeed, and short of having that nothing is better
[13:20] <pmcgowan> imo
[13:20] <jibel> agreed
[13:20] <pmcgowan> users know to reboot when stuff doesnt work anyway
[13:22] <sil2100> So removal of upstart-watchdog from the seeds then?
[13:22] <pmcgowan> sil2100, I am changing my mind back, we have yet another example, but s it likely in the field is the question
[13:35] <mpt> thanks Elleo
[13:44] <Elleo> mpt: no problem
[13:53] <seb128> dbarth_, hey, libunity-webapps seems to fail to build in wily, is that something for your team? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/219669481/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-i386.libunity-webapps_2.5.0~%2B15.04.20141217.2-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[13:53] <dbarth_> seb128: yes, let me check
[13:53] <seb128> thanks
[13:55] <dbarth_> seb128: that's the aftermath of the removal of extensions?
[13:55] <seb128> dbarth_, no, I don't think so, probably new glib or toolchain or something exposing a bug
[13:55] <dbarth_> oh ok
[13:55] <dbarth_> alex-abreu: ^^ fyi
[15:03] <umpfqua> hello, sorry in advance if I missed something... I recently loaded ubuntu touch on nexus 4, I used the devel channel according to the table here - https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/ but it seems like other channels (including stable) were updated more recently which doesn't seem right to me
[15:04] <davidcalle> sil2100, ^
[15:06] <davidcalle> umpfqua, in my experience, the action is happening more on rc-proposed these days (new image everyday)
[15:07] <sil2100> umpfqua: hey!
[15:07] <sil2100> umpfqua: the chart says that ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu should be used if you want to have a well tested phone
[15:08] <umpfqua> davidcalle: thanks, I'll try that one instead
[15:08] <sil2100> umpfqua: devel doesn't get too much attention... if you want a stable device please use the stable channel, the rc-proposed one can be broken sometimes, so use it on your own risk
[15:09] <sil2100> I think I should remove the 'Track the latest development' rows
[15:09] <umpfqua> sil2100: well, I'm kinda ok trading some stability with latest/greatest developments
[15:10] <sil2100> umpfqua: ok, just remember: rc-proposed images from time to time tend to be broken, for instance we had an issue right now that could make unity8  unbootable
[15:10] <sil2100> On mako
[15:10] <sil2100> We fixed/reverted the issue, but just saying that things like that happen
[15:10] <sil2100> We fix them ASAP but still
[15:10] <umpfqua> sil2100: oh yes, removing that row would have been less confusing
[15:12] <sil2100> Since the closest thing we have to 'track latest development' would be rc-proposed indeed, but since those are high-risk images, not sure if we should recommend those ;)
[15:12] <sil2100> They get QA, but since it's the first place where new things appear, well... it's risky
[15:13] <umpfqua> sil2100: I'm ok with things sometimes breaking (I used to run cyanogenmod nightly before this)
[15:13] <umpfqua> but thanks for the heads up
[15:36] <umpfqua> interesting... couldn't flash through adb, kept saying "device cannot be detected over adb" (but I was seeing it via "adb devices"), so I'm flashing via fastboot just like the first time
[15:50] <umpfqua> anyway, I'm in the latest rc-proposed, thanks for help sil2100 and davidcalle
[15:52] <sil2100> umpfqua: yw :)
[15:53] <davidcalle> umpfqua, np! :)
[15:54]  * tathhu is krilling :o
[15:54] <tathhu> ... no.
[17:16] <dhbiker> what the hell was in the last update for arale on rc.proposed ? :D
[17:16] <dhbiker> feels kinda snappier
[17:19] <tathhu> magic
[17:19] <tathhu> :o
[17:19] <tathhu> please give it back, nip needs it :P
[17:19] <dhbiker> 42megs of magic
[19:40] <BlackJohnny> hi, anyone knows if there is a right way  to create files within an ubuntu scope ? ... i want to cache some images
[19:47] <dobey> BlackJohnny: you can write them into the $XDG_CACHE_HOME directory
[19:47] <BlackJohnny> dobey, thank you for the hit
[19:48] <dobey> you'll have to implement some sort of logic to return file:/// URLs to those cached images, rather than the original URLs in your results, though
[19:48] <dobey> you should also have some cleanup logic, so they don't sit around and waste space forever
[19:59] <JanC> dobey: is $XDG_CACHE_HOME cleaned on reboot?
[20:01] <dobey> no
[20:19] <mhall119> renatu: ping, are you still involved in calendar syncing on the phone?
[20:29] <pmcgowan> mhall119, I dont think syncmonitor should have been removed
[20:29] <pmcgowan> I could be wrong though
[20:30] <mhall119> pmcgowan: I was pinging about something else, actually, Google just informed me that they are going to turn of their XML feeds for calendars, I wanted to make sure we weren't using those feeds for anything in the phone
[20:31] <pmcgowan> mhall119, renatu will know
[20:31] <mhall119> pmcgowan: I guessed, which is why I pinged him :)
[20:31] <nhaines> They're what?  Damn it.
[20:32] <mhall119> nhaines: iCal feeds aren't going to be affected, just XML
[20:32] <kal_cividFajdida> how  i can install whatsapp in ubuntu phone ?
[20:32]  * nhaines checks what he wrote in his book.
[20:32] <popey> kal_cividFajdida: there is no whatsapp for ubuntu phone yet
[20:32] <mhall119> kal_cividFajdida: email WhatsApp and tell them you'd like it if they developed an Ubuntu app
[20:33] <nhaines> Yeah, of course the Lightning plugin uses the XML feed.  *sigh*
[20:33] <mhall119> kal_cividFajdida: unfortunately WhatsApp doesn't have an open API, so nobody is allowed to make an app for except them, so we have to show them that there is enough interested users to justify it
[20:34] <mhall119> nhaines: lightning is still around?
[20:34] <nhaines> Yup.
[20:34] <mhall119> I thought it was abandoned long ago
[20:34] <nhaines> Worked fine in 14.04.
[20:34] <mhall119> maybe I'm thinking of the stand-alone one, Sunbird or something like that/
[20:35] <nhaines> Oh yeah.  I don't think that's stop around but the Thunderbird plugin is.
[20:35] <mhall119> not as of Nov. 18th, if it's using the XML feeds :)
[20:35] <nhaines> I guess not.  :)  Well, that's super annoying.  I guess I'll have to keep an eye on it and figure out what errata I'll need to add to the book.
[20:43] <mterry> awe_, hrm.  My testing this time of silo 23 was decidedly more mixed
[20:43] <mterry> awe_, subjectively it didn't freeze my phone.  But top still shows dbus-daemon taking 90% cpu
[20:43] <mterry> awe_, which might be an improvement on 100% cpu.  Or might be statistical noise
[20:44] <awe_> mterry, there was a definite bug in NM that I fixed
[20:44] <mterry> awe_, yeah no doubt.  Sending duplicate signals is pointless
[20:44] <awe_> running dbus-monitor shows a 2-3x reductions in signals generated when scan completes
[20:44] <awe_> if we're still seeing dbus-daemon pegging the CPU
[20:44] <mterry> awe_, I'm just sad that it doesn't seem to have slain the CPU dragon
[20:44] <awe_> there's more work to do
[20:45] <mterry> awe_, yeah.  Just that the last time I tested this fix it appeared to fix dbus-daemon too.  Must have been a fluke, which got me excited
[20:45] <awe_> mterry, do you have location services on?
[20:45] <mterry> awe_, yess
[20:45] <awe_> and maybe you hadn't before
[20:46] <awe_> when I say on... you've started HERE maps someplace
[20:46] <awe_> if when the HERE location provider starts, it causes NM to scan every 4-5s
[20:46] <awe_> which is overkill in my mind, but I wasn't asked
[20:46] <awe_> anyways, thanks for testing
[20:46] <mterry> awe_, I never open HERE app.  I may not even have it installed
[20:47] <mterry> awe_, and I likely had location data on before too
[20:47] <awe_> ok. then probably not an issue
[20:47] <mterry> awe_, not sure what the delta would be.  ::shrug::
[20:47] <awe_> it's only when the specific here provider starts
[20:47] <awe_> mterry, did you just go walking down central sq this again?
[20:47] <mterry> awe_, well thanks for the fix as is anyway  :)  It might be observation bias, but it appears to not freeze as hard.  Needs a weekend of testing to confirm that
[20:48] <mterry> awe_, yeah
[20:48] <awe_> the big problem with the original bug was lack of a definitive test scenario
[20:48] <awe_> so keep me posted
[20:48] <awe_> and again, as mentioned we might have more work to do on this one
[20:48] <mterry> awe_, central sq is fairly reliable for triggering it.  I usually have to restart my phone after leaving my house because of this bug
[20:48] <awe_> k
[20:48] <awe_> mako or krillin?
[20:48] <mterry> awe_, yeah.  Even with my "+1 great fix" testing before, we were still 30% cpu which seems high  :)
[20:48] <mterry> awe_, mako
[20:49] <dobey> central/kendal are pretty heavy on available wifi points
[20:49] <dobey> harvard too of course
[20:49] <mterry> dobey, yeah, I get like 30 to 50 access points in my list.  a good stress test
[20:49] <awe_> mterry, well... report back what you see over the weekend.  I'm just finishing regression testing on krillin, and need to move to arale next
[20:50] <mterry> awe_, will do!
[20:50] <dobey> mterry: except, now i want food
[20:50] <mterry> :)
[20:51] <dobey> bbq chicken blt at black sheep. mmm
[21:00] <renatu> mhall119, we use webdav
[21:05] <mhall119> that's XML isn't it?
[21:06] <nhaines> On the Internet 2.0, *everything* is XML!  \o/
[21:07] <mhall119> I thought 2.0 meant everything was JSON
[21:07] <nhaines> JSON 2.0 is probably XML too.
[21:08] <akik> json the hockey killer
[21:51] <dobey> mhall119: are they killing xml feeds, or caldav access?
[23:29] <mhall119> dobey: they said "XML feeds"
[23:29] <mhall119> they say iCal is going to continue
[23:38] <nhaines> mhall119: use a Jedi mind trick to convince them to change their minds.
[23:52] <jcstarken> where can i find how to install touch on my galaxy note 10.1 and wii it work ty
[23:53] <mhall119> !devices > jcstarken
[23:53] <ubot5`> jcstarken, please see my private message
[23:53] <mhall119> darn, I always get that wrong and do the PM
[23:53] <mhall119> !devices | jcstarken
[23:53] <ubot5`> jcstarken: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[23:53] <mhall119> there we go :)
[23:56] <jcstarken> ty


[10:38] <bumblebee> hi.
[10:38] <bumblebee> is it possible to install the cinnamon-desktop on lubuntu?
[10:55] <redwolf> bumblebee, yes. or gnome-desktop, or any other desktop included in the Ubuntu repos
[10:57] <bumblebee> the reason why i'm asking this is: i am using an old PC with only 1 gb ram. that's why i installed lubuntu on it. will it slow down my PC when i use cinnamon?
 I'm afraid so. Lubuntu is a lightweight desktop. Cinnamon isn't. You'll add "weight" to your system if you install it.
[12:06] <bumblebee> okay, thank you.
 You're welcome :)
[14:38] <bumblebee> re
[14:43] <bumblebee> i would like to use firefox ESR instead of normal firefox. i have downloaded firefox ESR on the mozilla page (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/) and extracted the file. now i can use it by opening the folder and double-clicking on the file named firefox. but is it also possible to have firefox ESR in my start menu and in the quick launch bar (instead of the normal firefox)?
[14:44] <bumblebee> (and i would like firefox ESR to be my standard internet browser)
[14:48] <zleap> in mint there is a preferred applications utilty on the menu,  there may be something similar in lubuntu
[14:49] <bumblebee> i have already searched for it


[06:53] <jdstrand> roadmr: thanks! I'm hoping to have another one soon :)
[07:03] <roadmr> jdstrand: sure thing, just let me know
[07:06] <zyga> rogpeppe: good morning
[07:07] <rogpeppe> zyga: hiya
[07:07] <zyga> rogpeppe: we're still sprinting so attention is spotty, I will not be able to do much interactive debugging today
[07:08] <zyga> I wanted to check if the board misbehaved today
[07:08] <rogpeppe> zyga: yup, it's down currently
[07:08] <rogpeppe> zyga: i need to work out what's going on with the memory. perhaps using too much memory is killing the whole thing.
[07:09] <zyga> rogpeppe: perhaps if the service is leaking memory you can restart it on a timer
[07:09] <zyga> say hourly
[07:09] <rogpeppe> zyga: i'm also wondering if it's possible that swap was configured by default before but isn't any more
[07:09] <zyga> rogpeppe: I touched on the swap situation yesterday in the team but we're not sure, we need to look
[07:10] <zyga> people here suggest that my memory is rusty and it's off by default but you can turn it on
[07:10] <rogpeppe> zyga: i just added a pprof handler to the service, so hopefully i can look into it and find out what's taking all the memory
[07:10] <rogpeppe> zyga: it's also possible that the newer Go version isn't garbage collecting as much
[07:11] <zyga> rogpeppe: which version are you on?
[07:11] <rogpeppe> zyga: 1.13
[07:11] <zyga> rogpeppe: we're building snapd with 1.10
[07:12] <rogpeppe> zyga: ancient :)
[07:12] <zyga> rogpeppe: there were some changes in go memory handling but we have not seen actual leaks outside of a super specific case with a custom kernel
[07:12] <zyga> rogpeppe: compromise for practicality :)
[07:14] <rogpeppe> zyga: neither me. there's a tweakable parameter too - I could try tweaking GOGC
[07:14] <zyga> rogpeppe: perhaps do one more thing
[07:15] <zyga> rogpeppe: add a timer or something like that
[07:15] <zyga> or even a screen session
[07:15] <zyga> that logs dstat / top
[07:15] <zyga> so you see what's going on after it crashes
[07:15] <zyga> if it's really taking all the memory
[07:15] <rogpeppe> yeah, that's a good idea
[07:15] <zyga> top has a continuous mode, perhaps on a minute interval it would be useufl
[07:16] <rogpeppe> BTW I think i've also been bitten by that systemd bug where it loses the last few messages written to the command's output
[07:16] <rogpeppe> which means that it loses the whole panic message when it panics (not that that matters too much - i know where the panic was coming from: the clock issue)
[07:17] <zyga> rogpeppe: is it the rate limiting behavior?
[07:17] <zyga> I'm not familiar with the bug itself
[07:17] <zyga> you can also perhaps log to a file explicitly but I think journald should not behave this way
[07:17] <zyga> (it could be just a bug though)
[07:18] <rogpeppe> zyga: no, the problem is that systemd uses unix socket tricks to get the process id of the writer, but when the writer has just exited, it can't do that, so the messages don't get associated with the right unit
[07:18] <rogpeppe> zyga: (i can't remember if they're just discarded or if they just end up somewhere else)
[07:19] <rogpeppe> zyga: i think it might be this bug https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2913
[07:21] <zyga> checking
[07:21] <zyga> wow, that's useful
[07:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#2722 closed: meta: fixes for desktop file handling <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2722>
[07:30] <mup> PR snapd#7478 opened: snapstate: increase settleTimeout in TestRemodelSwitchToDifferentKernel <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7478>
[07:40] <mup> PR snapd#7479 opened: tests: skip centos when running nigthly suite <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7479>
[07:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#2724 opened: docs: add a Code of Conduct <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2724>
[07:44] <sergiusens> Chipaca: ^
[07:45] <sergiusens> I used the contributor template on Github, it seemed a bit more project related and less Ubuntu specific (after reading the Ubuntu one)
[07:45] <sergiusens> please tell me what you think :-)
[07:47] <Chipaca> sergiusens: SGTM but I'd want to check it with somebody ubuntu-facing in canonical
[07:48] <sergiusens> Chipaca: I checked with Wimpress and popey , they are +1 on this one
[07:48] <mup> PR snapd#7480 opened: store: download propagates options to delta download <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7480>
[07:48] <Chipaca> verterok: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7480
[07:48] <mup> PR #7480: store: download propagates options to delta download <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7480>
[07:48] <Chipaca> sergiusens: schweet
[07:48] <verterok> Chipaca: that was fast!
[07:49] <Chipaca> things are either fast, or impossible
[07:49] <verterok> heh
[07:49] <verterok> thanks
[07:49] <Chipaca> now it needs to pass pesky things like peer review
[07:55] <Chipaca> mvo: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7480.patch
[07:55] <mup> PR #7480: store: download propagates options to delta download <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7480>
[07:55] <mup> PR snapd#7481 opened: data/selinux: allow snapd to issue sigkill to journalctl <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7481>
[07:56] <mup> PR snapcraft#2724 closed: docs: add a Code of Conduct <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2724>
[08:07] <mup> PR snapd#7482 opened: tests/main/listing: account for dots in ~pre suffix <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7482>
[08:16] <mup> PR snapd#7482 closed: tests/main/listing: account for dots in ~pre suffix <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Closed by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7482>
[08:31] <mup> PR snapd#7483 opened: We need a CoC, because people can't be nice <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7483>
[08:34] <Chipaca> zyga: #1841137
[08:35] <mup> Bug #1841137: /dev/loopX devices left around for removed snap revisions <snapd:Confirmed for zyga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1841137>
[08:56] <mup> PR snapcraft#2725 opened: Update HACKING.md <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2725>
[08:56] <Chipaca> sergiusens: CLOSE ME?
[08:57] <sergiusens> Chipaca: just playing with autopkgtest
[08:57] <Chipaca> ah ok
[08:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#2725 closed: Update HACKING.md <Created by sergiusens> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2725>
[09:26] <mup> PR snapd#7480 closed: store: download propagates options to delta download <Created by chipaca> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7480>
[09:29] <mup> PR snapd#7483 closed: docs: Add Code of Conduct <Created by chipaca> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7483>
[09:38] <Chipaca> verterok: on master, fwiw
[09:38] <verterok> cool
[09:39] <Chipaca> verterok: and on the 2.42 branch
[09:40] <verterok> \o/
[10:13] <mup> PR snapd#7484 opened: osutil: generalize SyncDir with FileStater interface <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7484>
[10:26] <zyga> dot-tobias: I'm investigating that issue now
[10:30] <dot-tobias> zyga: 🙏
[11:39] <mup> PR snapd#7481 closed: data/selinux: allow snapd to issue sigkill to journalctl <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7481>
[11:41] <mup> PR snapd#7474 closed: release: 2.42~pre1 <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7474>
[11:53] <jamesh> zyga: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/sandboxing-portal/1651/2
[11:53] <zyga> thanks
[12:14] <mup> PR snapd#7476 closed: usersession/userd: make sure to export DBus interfaces before requesting a name <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7476>
[12:26] <mup> PR snapd#7485 opened: data/selinux: allow snapd/snap to do statfs() on the cgroup mountpoint <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7485>
[12:26] <mup> PR snapcraft#2726 opened: Update README.md - Update information, shady staff <Created by JohnRLentonIsALyingBitch> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2726>
[12:35] <roadmr> ^^ has this been reported to github abuse?
[12:40] <diddledan> roadmr: I think we're probably heading that way if not already done
[12:40] <roadmr> I did :)
[12:40] <diddledan> we all know who it was
[12:47] <mup> PR snapcraft#2726 closed: Update README.md - Update information, shady staff <Created by JohnRLentonIsALyingBitch> <Closed by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2726>
[12:49] <cwayne> roadmr: yep
[14:04] <zyga> dot-tobias: hello
[14:05] <zyga> dot-tobias: can you report snap version with the context of https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-does-not-start-after-reboot/5750/10 aka https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1844496
[14:05] <mup> Bug #1844496: “Device or resource busy” error during snap refresh when using layout with variable <snapd:In Progress by zyga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1844496>
[14:05] <zyga> dot-tobias: I attempted to reproduce it on 2.42~pre1.1 without success (aka snapd from edge)
[14:05] <zyga> dot-tobias: I believe my test may be imperfect but I want to check with you first
[14:07] <zyga> dot-tobias: I wrote a small test, I'll run it against older release in a moment
[14:10] <joedborg> zyga: could you please give a once over to https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/apparmor-error-when-trying-to-connect-plugs/13303?
[14:10] <zyga> joedborg: sure
[14:11] <jdstrand> joedborg, I know what that is
[14:11] <jdstrand> zyga: ^
[14:11] <zyga> ack
[14:11] <joedborg> jdstrand: ah awesome
[14:11] <jdstrand> joedborg: can you show me your snapcraft.yml?
[14:12] <zyga> thanks, I'm no longer looking unless jdstrand says otherwise
[14:12] <zyga> seems like something that instantiates the interface twice
[14:12] <zyga> so we get a duplicate
[14:12] <joedborg> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/BkZH0sq0/
[14:12] <jdstrand> yes. and I think the two flavors might be used in the same app
[14:12] <joedborg> jdstrand: ^
[14:13] <jdstrand> hmm
[14:13] <zyga> ks8-{kubelet,kubeproxy} are probably applied to a hook
[14:13] <jdstrand> joedborg: can you give me the snap.yaml from the snap?
[14:13] <jdstrand> zyga: oh, yes.
[14:14] <joedborg> from the actual built snap?
[14:14] <jdstrand> joedborg: did you add another hook beyond configure?
[14:14] <jdstrand> joedborg: nm, answer that ^
[14:14] <joedborg> jdstrand: umm im not sure what that mean
[14:14] <joedborg> *means
[14:15] <zyga> joedborg: find meta/
[14:15] <jdstrand> joedborg: what is in meta/hooks
[14:15] <zyga> jdstrand: in the snap
[14:15] <zyga> er, joedborg ^
[14:15] <joedborg> ahhhhh, sorry, i see
[14:15] <joedborg> no, just configure
[14:16] <jdstrand> joedborg: can you paste unsquasfs -lls ./your.snap|grep meta
[14:16] <jdstrand> joedborg: err, unsquashfs
[14:17] <joedborg> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hIMNXh1L/
[14:17] <zyga> jdstrand: I'm surprised now
[14:18] <jdstrand> joedborg: perhaps put the snap somewhere so I can look? (and perhaps zyga)
[14:18] <jdstrand> joedborg: I need to step into a meeting in a moment
[14:19] <zyga> indeed
[14:19] <joedborg> no worries, 2 seconds
[14:24] <joedborg> i'll upload it to our google drive and drop the link
[14:26] <zyga> thank you
[14:29] <joedborg> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fZXdTCW0cGHxGxSHNdkX0mQOa4OZCtAa
[14:30] <joedborg> zyga: ^
[14:30] <zyga> downloading now
[14:37] <zyga> joedborg: I have the snap now
[14:38] <zyga> joedborg: reproduced
[14:38] <zyga> joedborg: can you please file a placeholder bug, I'll use it for tracking
[14:42] <jamesh> travis seems really slow today
[14:42] <joedborg> zyga: i have a guess what it might be - i'm rebuilding now
[14:43] <zyga> joedborg: whatever it really is it's a bug on snapd for sure
[14:43] <zyga> joedborg: can you share what your idea is?
[14:43] <zyga> unless the snap is manipulating profiles directly, that is
[14:43] <joedborg> zyga: i removed the kube-proxy app from the list of apps, but retained mentions to it elsewhere
[14:44] <zyga> I don't see that app mentioned in the yaml
[14:44] <zyga> (or that string at all)
[14:45] <zyga> oh
[14:45] <zyga> I see
[14:45] <zyga> the bug is as that this interface is then added to all the apps in the snap
[14:45] <zyga> jdstrand: ^
[14:47] <mup> PR snapd#7486 opened: tests: add regression test for lp: #1844496 <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7486>
[14:48] <zyga> joedborg: it's an invalid snap.yaml but the validation layer doesn't pick this up
[14:48] <zyga> well
[14:49] <zyga> not syntactically invalid
[14:49] <zyga> joedborg: I can file a bug now if you don't have one already
[14:54] <joedborg> zyga: sorry I was in a meeting, I can raise it unless you have? Yeah I agree, snapcraft should complain
[14:54] <zyga> joedborg: I'll handle that, thank you for reporting
[14:54] <zyga> joedborg: to unblock you, remove the "unused" interface declaration
[14:54] <zyga> joedborg: the one for k8s-proxy
[14:54] <zyga> and you should be good
[14:56] <joedborg> zyga: yeah it’s still building from that, I’ll let you know :) thanks!
[15:00] <zyga> joedborg, jdstrand: filed as https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1844546
[15:00] <mup> Bug #1844546: usage of multiple flavours of kubernetes-support interface for a single app is invalid but not validated <snapd:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1844546>
[15:03] <jdstrand> zyga: note that microk8s strict already does this
[15:04] <zyga> jdstrand: hmm, does what exactly?
[15:04] <jdstrand> zyga: https://github.com/ubuntu/microk8s/blob/feature/strict-v2/snapcraft.yaml
[15:05] <jdstrand> zyga: uses both flavor of the kubernetes interface in the same snap (but not same command)
[15:05] <zyga> Right
[15:05] <zyga> That’s the issue here
[15:05] <jdstrand> zyga: note the 'plugs: []' which is why I asked about other hooks
[15:05] <jdstrand> zyga: I'm saying with microk8s, there wasn't the install issue
[15:06] <jdstrand> zyga: I didn
[15:06] <jdstrand> 't see what was different about the new k8s-worker
[15:06] <zyga> Ah
[15:06] <jdstrand> (yet, I'm in a meetin)
[15:06] <jdstrand> so I was confused why there was a problem
[15:07] <jdstrand> zyga: it is known (at least to me and samuele) that there is a problem if you don't specify plugs with hooks
[15:07] <jdstrand> not sure I filed it
[15:08] <jdstrand> zyga: but I couldn't see the difference between the yaml I pasted and the yaml joedborg pasted
[15:08] <jdstrand> zyga: gotta run
[15:08] <zyga> jdstrand: sure
[15:08] <zyga> jdstrand: read the bug once you have the time to see if you agree with my analysis
[15:08] <jdstrand> ok
[15:08] <zyga> thank you so much :)
[15:23] <jdstrand> zyga: briefly, what you decribe is definitely a bug (and related to the one I mentioned above), but that doesn't explain joedborg's afaics since he *did* use both k8s interfaces in two places and *did* use plugs in the configure hook
[15:23] <jdstrand> which should've avoided
[15:23] <jdstrand> it
[15:24] <jdstrand> meh, gotta go again
[15:24] <mup> PR snapd#7485 closed: data/selinux: allow snapd/snap to do statfs() on the cgroup mountpoint <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7485>
[17:43] <mup> PR snapd#7477 closed: packaging: use snapfuse_ll to speed up snapfuse performance <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7477>
[21:38] <zyga> jdstrand: I think I have a different opinion on that but it's something I should revisit tomorrow with fresh eyes
[23:29] <jdstrand> joedborg (oh, the snap you put in drive doesn't have kube-proxy. you should k8s-kubeproxy from toplevel slots
[23:29] <jdstrand> meh
[23:30] <jdstrand> joedborg: that was for you, but I meant to (cc zyga) ^ :)
[23:30] <jdstrand> zyga: now I understand where you were coming from. the pastes had snap.yamls with a kube-proxy command. I'll comment in the but
[23:31] <jdstrand> bug*
[23:31] <joedborg> Yeah I figured that after telling zyga, I think the issue is that it passes validation
[23:31] <jdstrand> joedborg: yes. I'm mentioning that to unblock you
[23:32] <jdstrand> joedborg: sounds lik eyou didn't need me though. sorry for the delay. meeting then team dinner
[23:33] <joedborg> jdstrand: no worries! Thanks, hope Paris is going well. I also sent an email with a future blocker
[23:33] <joedborg> No rush, just FYI
[23:34] <jdstrand> ok
[23:34] <jdstrand> I'll comment in zyga's bug and see how much gas I have left in the tank :)
[23:34] <jdstrand> and yes, Paris is good :)


[01:57] <FloatingGoat> holstein: hello
[02:00] <FloatingGoat> my home boy
[02:08] <jambeedrum> asides from hydrogen and ardour, what other sorts of fun applications are there in music?
[02:14] <FloatingGoat> http://ubuntuone.com/1lq0vqiUeElP5G76IlrKG1
[02:14] <FloatingGoat> ^^lmms
[02:14] <len-1304> It depends on what you would like to do...
[02:15] <FloatingGoat> len-1304: lol check out my new jam
[02:16] <FloatingGoat> brb
[02:16] <len-1304> Which app did you use? Is that lmms?
[02:19] <jambeedrum> len-1304: with ardour i do recoding, and with hydogen i get a drummachine
[02:19] <jambeedrum> theyr ok
[02:19] <len-1304> qtractor allows midi or sample recording... if that is what you do.
[02:20] <jambeedrum> dont some apps got the picture and buttons of real hardware machines
[02:20] <len-1304> there are soft synths, effects. DJ/VJ set ups
[02:20] <jambeedrum> used for music?
[02:22] <len-1304> I am not sure what you mean. The mixer in ardour has faders, and controls as a normal mixer.
[02:22] <len-1304> I'm not sure seeing tape reals move would help much
[02:22] <len-1304> Harrison Mixbus may be closer though
[02:24] <len-1304> I once had an end to end analog setup (OK still have the stuff but can't afford the tape to get lower quality sound than the computer) and what I can do on the computer doesn't make sense to look at quite like the analog counter part
[02:25] <jambeedrum> len-1304: you never had the need to buy cubase?
[02:25] <len-1304> Never used windows
[02:25] <len-1304> (except at work)
[02:26] <len-1304> I am not sure why I would "need" cubase though.
[02:27] <len-1304> I can record 10 (or 100 or whatever) tracks and mix them down with EQ, effects and whatever.
[02:28] <len-1304>  I can sync qtractor or rosegarden and have a midi based set of tracks that can be mixed in as well.
[02:28] <len-1304> What is the big thing cubase has (aside from the name) that I "have" to have it?
[02:43] <len-1304> jambeedrum, what has to be there before anything else is the music or talent. There is great music that was recorded straight to vinyl or tape (single track) that still sounds exceptional today. It started out as music before the mic is all.
[02:44] <FloatingGoat> len-1304: did you listen
[02:44] <len-1304> FloatingGoat, you mean the short clip above?
[02:45] <len-1304> Was that lmms or qtractor?
[02:45] <FloatingGoat> lmms
[02:45] <FloatingGoat> :)
[02:45] <len-1304> How did you record the audio?
[02:45] <len-1304> (vocals)
[02:45] <FloatingGoat> sound recorder
[02:46] <len-1304> Thats what its called?
[02:47] <studio-user294> hi
[02:47] <len-1304> Hello
[02:48] <len-1304> FloatingGoat, what sample rate did you use... and what format did you upload?
[02:48] <FloatingGoat> ogg
[02:48] <FloatingGoat> idk
[02:48] <FloatingGoat> i converted it from 4800 wav
[02:48] <len-1304> Ok system default is 44.1k
[02:48] <len-1304> ok
[02:48] <FloatingGoat> ok
[02:49] <len-1304> I'm just doing some testing here
[02:49] <FloatingGoat> oh alright
[02:49] <len-1304> So I was seeing how much work my system has to do to play it
[02:51] <len-1304> It sounds like a good balanced collection of sounds.
[02:51] <len-1304> The vocal levels are good too.
[02:54] <FloatingGoat> yay!
[02:55] <FloatingGoat> wait are you len-td?
[02:55] <len-1304> -dt? ya, I am testing 13.04
[02:56] <len-1304> Speaking of which LMMS does now come on the ISO
[03:00] <FloatingGoat> haha awesome
[03:18] <FloatingGoat> len-1304: thanks for giving it a lsiten
[03:28] <len-1304> no problem.
[20:13] <Paul92_> hi. can you recomand me a good piano vsti?
[20:15] <zequence> Paul92_: Don't think a lot of people here do vst instruments. You doing that on Ubuntu?
[20:17] <Paul92_> zequence: well..actually on archlinux. but here is the only channel where I can find help on this topic, and i can manage to get things work on archlinux. With some help here, I managed to make hexter work, but it doesen't sond too good
[20:19] <zequence> Paul92_: hexter is a very simple synth clone
[20:20] <Paul92_> it's good but..i wish something that sounds better
[20:20] <zequence> zequence: I think I've talked to you before. The best I know, though haven't used much, is linux-sampler
[20:20] <zequence> There are a couple of piano sample libraries for that
[20:20] <zequence> On their site, but also the salamander library
[20:21] <zequence> The guy who made that hangs out at #opensourcemusicians
[20:21] <Paul92_> ok. I will try there also. thank you
[20:22] <zequence> Paul92_: linux sampler usually needs to be built from source. kxstudio has it in their repo, and from what I understand, falktx keeps a repo for Arch
[20:24] <Paul92_> that isn't a problem :)
[20:28] <Paul92_> so, I need to install linuxsampler, and after that qsampler, right?
[20:29] <zequence> Paul92_: There are two front ends for linux-sampler. qsampler and jsampler
[20:29] <zequence> linux sampler is the server
[20:29] <Paul92_> and I have to choose between qsampler and jsampler?
[20:30] <zequence> Usually, you can get all the other stuff, dependencies and front ends as packages, but you need to build the server separately
[20:30] <zequence> Yeah, you can only use one at the time
[20:30] <zequence> qsampler is based on QT, while jsampler I guess is Java based
[20:36] <Paul92_> I have some errors at make
[20:46] <zequence> Paul92_: I remember having some problem last time I was building it. Sure you have all the right dependencies?
[20:46] <zequence> Otherwise, a simpler approach might be just to add the prebuilt package by falktx
[20:47] <zequence> You can find him on many channels. #kxstudio, among others
[20:48] <Paul92_> ok. I will see what i can do. If i don't succed, I will ask somewere for further help
[20:48] <Paul92_> thank you very much
[21:52] <LaRueGT> good afternoon
[22:29] <LaRueGT> I'm looking for a composing aid of sorts. I'd like to be able to sing a tune into my mike, have the computer process it, and give me a MIDI stream that corresponds to the notes I just sang. That way I don't have to struggle with keyboarding them all down and forgetting them. Is there s smooth way of doing that floating around somewhere?
[22:35] <zequence> LaRueGT: You'd like to record your voice and turn it into a midi file?
[22:36] <zequence> There might be some pitch detector available. But, I'm not at all sure how automatic that process could be
[22:38] <zequence> What you need is something that can output midi
[22:39] <LaRueGT> well I have a keyboard but im not good enough at it to get the tunes out of my head before I forget them
[22:40] <LaRueGT> so yeah, Id like a software that recognizes the notes of my voice
[22:46] <zequence> LaRueGT: Hang on. I'm sending you a pure data patch. A very simple one that detects pitch, and sends midi out. If you connect it properly with jack and alsa midi, you can record your voice in both audio and midi
[22:51] <LaRueGT> sweet
[22:53] <LaRueGT> im on a web client on my tablet so you probably wont be able to dcc it
[22:54] <zequence> LaRueGT: No. You'll need puredata, and most probably installed in a PC
[22:56] <LaRueGT> oh yeah, my linux box upstairs has all that on it
[22:56] <zequence> LaRueGT: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12809728/pd_audio_to_midi.pd
[22:56] <zequence> LaRueGT: install puredata. open the file with it, and read the instructions
[22:57] <LaRueGT> did you just make this for me or get it off google somewhere?
[22:57] <zequence> I just made it
[22:57] <zequence> But, I'm also interested in doing something with that later myself
[22:57] <zequence> Pretty basic
[22:57] <zequence> But it works pretty well
[22:57] <zequence> If you want to hear the notes live, you'll need low latency
[22:58] <zequence> Both jack and pd need to be set up for that
[22:59] <zequence> pd might give you problems, if you try to adjust to lower latency while jack is running. So, might be best to run it from a terminal: pd -jack -alsamidi -audiobug 10
[22:59] <zequence> And start jack with something like 64 or 128 frames/period
[23:00] <zequence> hmm, I forgot one thing
[23:00] <zequence> No noteoff..
[23:00] <zequence> Let me fix that
[23:01] <LaRueGT> I wouldn't have thought a solution could just be whipped up so quick, its impressive
[23:02] <zequence> puredata is impressive in that respect
[23:02] <zequence> But, it takes a while to get used to it
[23:03] <zequence> I updated the file https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12809728/pd_audio_to_midi.pd
[23:03] <zequence> Now every time there's a new note, the previous note gets a noteoff
[23:04] <zequence> Actually, it would not be too much trouble to add velocity controlled noteoff too. Let me do that
[23:06] <LaRueGT> sounds like this pd stuff is worth studying
[23:11] <zequence> LaRueGT: All right. It's done. enjoy :)
[23:11] <zequence> It detects the pitch of any audio source, and sends midi notes with 100 velocity.
[23:11] <zequence> When the audio signal goes below a threshold of 30 RMS, the a noteoff is sent
[23:12] <zequence> Also, every new note is prepended with a noteoff of the previous note
[23:12] <LaRueGT> lovely
[23:13] <LaRueGT> all im really doin is like "doo - dooo - seeeeeee-" of some notes into my mike so I dont need a whole lot of sophistication, it might be cool to have that yield volume controls and pitch bends in the future mebbe
[23:19] <LaRueGT> im just really bad at knowing what note is in my head and trying to get it out of there, I know what it sounds like but not how to play it most of the time
[23:19] <zequence> LaRueGT: In case you downloaded it, I redid it again. There were a couple of bugs. Should work fine now
[23:20] <zequence> LaRueGT: That actually is in my view one of the most important parts of learning how to make music
[23:20] <zequence> The faster and easier you can produce your ideas, the more fluid the music will be
[23:21] <LaRueGT> well im not above using a computer to help me with it, perhaps with this thing recognizing my voice, I'll get familiar with them better the more I use it
[23:21] <zequence> LaRueGT: I'd do some interval excercises, if I were you. It really helps
[23:21] <LaRueGT> id imagine those are set up in some nice way on the web somewhere these days
[23:22] <zequence> Don't know. There was practically no internet when I started out
[23:22] <zequence> So, I did it the old school way
[23:22] <LaRueGT> I used to be alright at finding the tunes on my cello when I was little, that was years and years ago
[23:22] <LaRueGT> could sorta feel where on the string the tone was that I was looking for
[23:23] <LaRueGT> but its hard to get that feeling back on a computer
[23:23] <zequence> You can either try singin two notes, any interval, and trying to figure out what they are on an instrument. Then try it out. The slower, and the more focused, the better. Or listen to recorded intervals, and trying to figure out what they are.
[23:24] <zequence> Just 15 min of practice already makes a difference, especially if you aren't used to it
[23:25] <zequence> I used to write music using the keyboard roll on Cubase. No need to listen to the notes almost.
[23:25] <zequence> But, I don't ever anymore though
[23:26] <zequence> Singing sounds like a much better approach to me