[00:00] <[ka]killer> infinite loops are also fun
[00:00] <ramzay> to ubotu: i newer use a commands if i don't know it
[00:00] <Daisuke_Ido> !ot | [ka]killer
[00:00] <ubotu> [ka]killer: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[00:00] <[ka]killer> meh
[00:00] <[ka]killer> i'll just be quite untill i have another problem
[00:00] <ramzay> бля
[00:00] <flipstar> !ru
[00:00] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[00:01] <ramzay> выпейте все йаду сразу
[00:01] <pat5star> ramzay "I am not stupid" as he tries to convince a bot :P
[00:01] <flipstar> !en
[00:01] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[00:01] <pat5star> ramzay: j/k, I didn't realize that either :)
[00:01] <stabbymctwist> hah
[00:02] <ramzay> he is really bot?
[00:02] <stabbymctwist> ramzay tripped the english only alarm
[00:02] <stabbymctwist> yeah
[00:02] <ramzay> shure
[00:02] <stabbymctwist> ubotu is a bot
[00:02] <ubotu> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.
[00:02] <stabbymctwist> see?
[00:03] <stabbymctwist> it replies instantly
[00:03] <stabbymctwist> ubotu is a bot
[00:03] <pat5star> joh6nn: I get your point.  I personally don't know anyone who uses yahoo or msn search...everyone I see use a computer goes first to google, I mean the word google is synonimous with search nowadays anyways
[00:03] <ubotu> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.
[00:03] <flipstar> !repeat | ubotu
[00:03] <ubotu> ubotu: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[00:03] <joh6nn> pat5star: every install of IE7 comes with MS preselected as the default search engine, and lots of software comes bundled with the Yahoo toolbar. so it does make a difference
[00:04] <[ka]killer> 1. why use ie 2. yahoo toolbar fails at life
[00:04] <ramzay> What time in your city now ?
[00:04] <flipstar> haha this bot is talking with himself
[00:04] <[ka]killer> xD i think the bot needs help
[00:04] <stabbymctwist> nice
[00:04] <[ka]killer> it has multiple personalities
[00:05] <stabbymctwist> there's an interesting study
[00:05] <joh6nn> [ka]killer: the yahoo toolbar does indeed fail at life, but it's hard to avoid; where i live, most of the local ISPs are bundling yahoo utilities with their connection services
[00:06] <joh6nn> and while i agree that IE is a crap browser, 60 some odd percent of the world still uses it.
[00:06] <pat5star> joh6nn: good point. I've just been such a google fan for so long, and see that so many others are, that it just seems to me there isn't anything ms can do to catch up...but they do have the money to try and purchasing yahoo is probably a step in the right direction if there is one
[00:06] <|unimatrix|> !preload
[00:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about preload - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:06] <Kaevik> joh6nn: installing the crap from your ISP is worse then using a toolbar extention.
[00:06] <ramzay> programmer ,who has written this bot is invalid
[00:06] <pat5star> !java
[00:06] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[00:07] <[ka]killer> joh6nn, i dont know about your isp but i just go direct to the internet and use none of the software they gave me what so ever
[00:07] <pat5star> sry all, never interacted with a bot before, just playing around...won't do it anymore :)
[00:07] <joh6nn> Kaevik: heh.  trust me, i know.  i work at a local computer repair shop.  i spend all day uninstalling bundled software for people.
[00:07] <[ka]killer> lol
[00:08] <joh6nn> [ka]killer: all of my isp's software is windows only, so it's a non-issue for me; it didn't run in Wine
[00:08] <flipstar> pat5star: just type /msg ubotu and spam him to death :)
[00:08] <[ka]killer> when i get a new pc, first thing i do is format the drive and do a clean install of what ever os im going to use
[00:08] <tommy_F> hello everyone
[00:08] <ramzay> q
[00:08] <joh6nn> when i got this laptop, i turned it on first, just to see what Vista looked like.
[00:08] <pat5star> [ka]killer: anyone somewhat tech savy knows not to, but I spend so much time helping friends family fix their computers and am amazed at how they all believe that bundled crap is essential
[00:08] <[ka]killer> xD
[00:08] <Daisuke_Ido> makes it easier to avoid the bundled junk
[00:09] <pat5star> flipstar: ok thx, I'll check that out
[00:09] <joh6nn> but i had it formatted pretty quickly; Vista is crap
[00:09] <[ka]killer> that it si
[00:09] <[ka]killer> is*
[00:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i usually take that one further and build my pcs myself :)
[00:09] <stabbymctwist> i haven't had a new pc, ever
[00:09] <[ka]killer> Daisuke_Ido, cant really build a laptop yourself =P
[00:09] <Daisuke_Ido> this is true
[00:09] <joh6nn> stabbymctwist: still in school?
[00:09] <stabbymctwist> my stuff is build out of trash from other people
[00:09] <Daisuke_Ido> it would look interesting in you tried
[00:09] <Daisuke_Ido> if*
[00:10] <[ka]killer> im building my own desktop and server but im hoping to get a macbookpro (getting a brand new one for 1600 hopefully)
[00:10] <Daisuke_Ido> actually...  a slim enough case with a thin keyboard and trackpad clued into the bottom of a briefcase with an lcd monitor in the top...
[00:10] <ramzay> i so want sleep    ....
[00:10] <Daisuke_Ido> gives me ideas -_-
[00:10] <[ka]killer> xD
[00:10] <Daisuke_Ido> glued*
[00:10] <joh6nn> [ka]killer: www.system76.com
[00:10] <joh6nn> buy a cheap server with linux already installed
[00:11] <pat5star> stabbymctwist: me too, I've got a ton of spare computers/parts lying around from people discarding them because they think they are outdated. I probably got enough to start a sever farm good enough to compete with google now :)
[00:11] <stabbymctwist> i probably can't
[00:11] <stabbymctwist> pat5star -- i can't even run two complete machines, heh
[00:12] <pat5star> stabbymctwist: lol
[00:12] <ramzay> good luck
[00:12] <carlzenox> sudo apt-get install wine         <<< type that to get wine?
[00:12] <stabbymctwist> pat5star -- but i have enough parts to replace just about verything
[00:12] <stabbymctwist> everything**
[00:12] <joh6nn> carlzenox: yes
[00:13] <ramzay> sudo apt-get install bed
[00:13] <ramzay> make
[00:13] <ramzay> make sleep
[00:13] <|unimatrix|> make party
[00:13] <ramzay> = ) add drugs
[00:14] <stabbymctwist> x crash
[00:14] <|unimatrix|> why? we have linux
[00:14] <pat5star> I just did a whois on myself and it printed out a bunch of info, is that only viewable to me or did all of you see it too?
[00:14] <ramzay> becuse it is
[00:14] <flipstar> pat5star: to everyone
[00:15] <pat5star> flipstar: oh, so if I wanna snoop on others, how do I do that where only I see it :P
[00:15] <flipstar> pat5star: does this scare you? see www.irclog.ubuntu.com
[00:15] <joh6nn> pat5star: a little of both. we can all see it if we whois you ourselves, but it didn't just print out in the channel
[00:15] <joh6nn> at least, it didn't for me
[00:15] <stabbymctwist> the whois list only comes back to you
[00:15] <flipstar> pat5star: does this scare you? see * www.irclogs.ubuntu.com
[00:15] <stabbymctwist> it just means to be careful what you say
[00:16] <pat5star> flipstar: that url didn't bring up anything
[00:16] <flipstar> the second..
[00:16] <flipstar> forgot that s
[00:16] <joh6nn> stabbymctwist: nah, it just means to log in as someone else
[00:16] <flipstar> or use tor
[00:16] <stabbymctwist> joh6nn -- hah
[00:16] <pat5star> flipstar: the second url still doesn't bring up anything
[00:17] <flipstar> hmm http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ works
[00:17] <pat5star> I did that the other day to someone on here, and then they asked the channel why I pinged them...I was wondering how they knew I did that
[00:18] <flipstar> its mentioned in the freenode tab i thing
[00:18] <flipstar> -g+k
[00:19] <pat5star> flipstar: oh that worked, I see that all chats are logged and available for anyone to see forever apparently. So I must be careful what I say, because when I run for prime minister of Canada it may be used against me right?!   :P
[00:19] <unix_lappy> anyone here using the download them all firefox plugin and noticing a slow down/
[00:20] <flipstar> lol i dont think anyone knows the irc name of the prime minister from canada :)
[00:20] <stabbymctwist> they will now
[00:20] <stabbymctwist> heh
[00:21] <pat5star> stabbymctwist: oh I got some weird message from you, so I guess that means you pinged me...I see now, thx :)
[00:21] <stabbymctwist> pat5star -- thanks?
[00:21] <pat5star> stabbymctwist: well for showing me what that person who questioned me  the other day would have seen
[00:22] <stabbymctwist> pat5star -- ah, i just thought it would be ironic/funny
[00:23] <pat5star> flipstar: if the prime minister of Canada did have an IRC name, I wonder what it would be and what channels he would hang out on! I bet #kubuntu is one of them :)
[00:24] <stabbymctwist> pat5star -- well, naturally  every prime minister uses kubuntu
[00:24] <pat5star> lol
[00:24] <flipstar> who knows..maybe he is here..right now!
[00:24] <stabbymctwist> hey, prime miinister of canada, are you here?
[00:24]  * pat5star thinks flipstar is Stephen Harper :)
[00:25] <flipstar> !whoami
[00:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about whoami - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:25] <flipstar> !whoiam
[00:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about whoiam - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:25] <flipstar> hm
[00:25] <joh6nn> flipstar: whom, maybe? ; )
[00:26] <flipstar> in a private channel with ubotu it works :)
[00:26] <stabbymctwist> man, i didn't even know who he was until just now
[00:27] <pat5star> stabbymctwist: he's the first coolest pm we've had in years, but I'll leave politics out of this :)
[00:27] <|unimatrix|> would i break kubuntu's dependencies if i compiled wine over the repository version?
[00:28] <flipstar> nope
[00:28] <|unimatrix|> lovely
[00:28] <flipstar> |unimatrix|: but remember pining the package or it will be overwritten on the next wine update
[00:29] <joh6nn> anyone familiar with how KDE handles users $PATH variables?  mine seems not to be set properly
[00:29] <stabbymctwist> um, maybe a fedora place knows more about that, since /sbin doesn't seem to be in the default $PATH
[00:30] <stabbymctwist> it would be a more common problem there
[00:30] <gtt> I've just about had it with quanta
[00:30] <|unimatrix|> flipstar: i want it to be overwritten... but still, how do you pin it?
[00:30] <flipstar> echo package hold|sudo dpkg --set-selections
[00:31] <flipstar> were package is wine in this case
[00:31] <joh6nn> stabbymctwist: well, the issue is that my $PATH is just fine in bash; from Konsole, everything works
[00:31] <|unimatrix|> and how do you unpin it?
[00:31] <bkudria> i'm seeing a strange issue with akregator: fetching feeds works only very sporadically, mostly the fetch fails immediatly, and "akregator: WARNING: Error listening on socket: -1" is printed on stdout.  googling for this message, or a simialr issue yields nothing helpful.  i'm using akregator 1.2.7 on kde 3.5.8 on kubuntu gutsy.  any advice?
[00:31] <joh6nn> but if i try to run things from alt+f2, KDE says it can't find anything
[00:31] <flipstar> |unimatrix|: echo package install|sudo dpkg --set-selections
[00:31] <|unimatrix|> thanks flipstar, i'm gonna write that down
[00:32] <fuhreal> Anyone know if there is an app in adept for online TV ??/
[00:32] <flipstar> |unimatrix|: i did that too :)
[00:32] <stabbymctwist> fuhreal -- Miro
[00:32] <fuhreal> stabbymctwist: ty
[00:33] <stabbymctwist> i'd suggest googling it first, it might not be exactly what you're looknig for
[00:33] <flipstar> fuhreal: zattoo is also good..but not in adept
[00:33] <joh6nn> bkudria: url of an example feed?
[00:34] <fuhreal> i'm looking for something like ..... tvants for windows
[00:35] <bkudria> joh6nn: i see it across 95% of my feeds, but here is one, for example: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default
[00:35] <carlzenox> ok i apt-get firefox but how do i actuwally use it >.<
[00:35] <joh6nn> carlzenox: alt+f2, "firefox"
[00:35] <flipstar> carlzenox: it should also in kmenu->internet->firefox
[00:36] <bkudria> joh6nn: problem seems more likely to happen if i fetch more than 1 feed at once, but it happens with single feeds too
[00:36] <carlzenox> thx guys
[00:36] <mikes> anyone know how come my GTK based apps (firefox, xchat) only have the default, blocky theme? gtk+ theme changer allows me to pick more, but it affects not any apps :-(
[00:36] <carlzenox> flipstar: it aint there =/
[00:36] <mikes> in kde4 this is
[00:36] <flipstar> carlzenox: run kbuildsycoca and check again..
[00:36] <bkudria> joh6nn: i'm able to download the feed otherwise (konqueror, wget, ect) without problems - this is limited to akregator
[00:37] <joh6nn> bkudria: gimme a sec, i'm googling
[00:37] <bkudria> joh6nn: tried that :)
[00:38] <fuhreal> stabbymctwist: i think miro is what i need
[00:38] <stabbymctwist> fuhreal -- you can find other feeds for tv shows via google, too
[00:40] <fuhreal> stabbymctwist: Leafs vs sabres... and i'm in pensilvania right now :(
[00:40] <joh6nn> bkudria: try purging akregator and reinstalling it? (be sure to back up your feeds, first)
[00:42] <bkudria> joh6nn: tried that already.  it's definetly more prevalent with multiple feeds - it looks like when the first feed doesn't immediately return, the other feeds bail out and fail
[00:42] <joh6nn> bkudria: this is gustsy?
[00:44] <fuhreal> stabbymctwist: darnit... sportsnet isn't avail
[00:44] <bkudria> joh6nn: yep
[00:44] <stabbymctwist> fuhreal -- try tvrss
[00:45] <carlzenox> how can i like waatch  youtube videos :x
[00:46] <flipstar> carlzenox: try  sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[00:46] <joh6nn> flipstar: restricted extras would be better, i'll bet
[00:46] <joh6nn> save us answering more questions in about 30 seconds.  : )
[00:46] <carlzenox> E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree
[00:46] <joh6nn> carlzenox: try apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:47] <carlzenox> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:47] <carlzenox> >.<
[00:47] <flipstar> carlzenox: it is in multiverse..you need to enable this repo
[00:47] <carlzenox> how O.o
[00:47] <joh6nn> bkudria: are you using KDE 3.5 or KDE 4?
[00:47] <flipstar> carlzenox: adept->manage software sources
[00:48] <bkudria> joh6nn: kde 3.5.8
[00:48] <jckffyi> How long dose it usually take to copy 80 gig via dd? I started the process at 5:44 chicago time, it is now 7:46, and the process has not yet finished.?
[00:48] <joh6nn> bkudria: ; (.  i got nothin', sorry
[00:48] <flipstar> jckffyi: depends on your disc speed..
[00:49] <carlzenox> flipstar: how do i enable a repo?
[00:49] <flipstar> carlzenox: adept->manage software sources
[00:49] <carlzenox> "New repository:                               "
[00:49] <flipstar> jckffyi: with 20MB/s it should take an hour or so
[00:50] <stabbymctwist> jckffyi -- ipod, i'm guessing?
[00:51] <stabbymctwist> jckffyi -- if so, you might be plugged into a usb1 port, which would slow it down a lot
[00:51] <jckffyi> 20meg? no, I am going to do a riskey experiment, so I am making a duplicate of my laptop hard disk so I can revert if something gose terribly wrong
[00:51] <joh6nn> jckffyi: if that's what you're doing, you'd have been better off with partimage
[00:52] <carlzenox> omfg why the fu** couldent it just come with it >=[
[00:52] <root_______> holaaaa
[00:52] <joh6nn> carlzenox: for a variety of very complicated legal reasons.  yell at the government
[00:52] <Arwen> jckffyi, did you set the blocksize in dd right? it'll be REALLY slow without.
[00:52] <stabbymctwist> carlzenox -- because in the usa, not everybody can distribute adobe cflash
[00:52] <flipstar> !multiverse | carlzenox
[00:52] <ubotu> carlzenox: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[00:52] <carlzenox> i hate the goverment there di** heads >=[
[00:53]  * savetheWorld prepares to sue carlzenox for using patented technology without paying for a license
[00:53] <stabbymctwist> carlzenox -- it's not hte government, i's adobe's patenting
[00:53] <Arwen> which is enforced by bad government policy
[00:53] <jckffyi> no, I didn't, I just ran streight dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb
[00:53] <joh6nn> carlzenox: we are the government, and the government is us.  welcome to self-loathing
[00:53] <carlzenox> im on probation O.o
[00:53] <Arwen> jckffyi, that is gonna take hours and hours and days and days to complete
[00:53] <Arwen> try again with bs=4096 or bs=8192
[00:54] <jckffyi> how do I figure out the block size? and set it, Ive do this before and id didn't take nearly as long
[00:54] <flipstar> dd copies _everything_ afair
[00:54] <flipstar> the whole disc
[00:54] <flipstar> including free space
[00:54] <jckffyi> yeah, that's what I want, and need
[00:55] <RSC-232> does anyone recommend a program like linuxmce
[00:55] <joh6nn> RSC-232: what's it do?
[00:55] <bkudria> joh6nn: ok, understandable.  thanks for looking!
[00:55] <Arwen> RSC-232, how about "linuxmce"? It's very much like it.
[00:55] <RSC-232> no
[00:55] <RSC-232> ... the people in the chat are insulting
[00:55] <RSC-232> i refuse to use it
[00:55] <stabbymctwist> people?
[00:55] <stabbymctwist> that's plural
[00:55] <g_m_t_s> hi guys somebody here speak spanish?
[00:55] <Arwen> then, um... try explaining what features of "linuxmce" you need.
[00:55] <stabbymctwist> the insult was singular
[00:56] <joh6nn> stabbymctwist: i think he means #linuxmce
[00:56] <tekteen> RSC-232: linuxmce is a combination of other programs
[00:56] <Arwen> or get over it and ignore the idiots
[00:56] <flipstar> !es > g_m_t_s
[00:56] <RSC-232> i know
[00:56] <RSC-232> i want home automation + PVR
[00:56] <tekteen> RSC-232: with some of there own code
[00:56] <bkudria> g_m_t_s: try #kubuntu-es
[00:56] <Arwen> RSC-232, MythTV
[00:56] <tekteen> RSC-232: mythtv may work
[00:56] <RSC-232> what about home automation?
[00:56] <WeaponX> how big should i make my / partition?
[00:56] <Arwen> well, what do you mean by "home automation"?
[00:56] <tekteen> RSC-232: there is nothing "like" linuxmce
[00:56] <Arwen> if you need to schedule tasks, that's what cron/anacron are for
[00:57] <joh6nn> WeaponX: 10G is more than adequate
[00:57] <flipstar> WeaponX: at least 5gig i would say
[00:57] <joh6nn> i usually keep mine around 5G
[00:57] <WeaponX> yea i was gonna go with 5gb
[00:57] <RSC-232> turn off lights etc
[00:57] <WeaponX> and is a 1gb swap ok?
[00:57] <joh6nn> how much ram have you got?
[00:57] <flipstar> WeaponX: but if you want to test kde4 or some some more would hurt :)
[00:57] <joh6nn> conventional wisdom is about 1.5 x ram
[00:57] <WeaponX> ~ joh6nn ~ 1gb ram
[00:57] <Arwen> RSC-232, write a shell script that calls whatever function that is. Then use cron or anacron to run it at a specific time or as a result of an event.
[00:58] <joh6nn> WeaponX: then i'd go with 1.5-2G for swap
[00:58] <WeaponX> ~ flipstar ~ ive had kubuntu for a bit now, just dont wanna make the partitions too small
[00:58] <WeaponX> ~ joh6nn ~ ah kk
[00:58] <flipstar> i made mine 15gig just for fun
[00:58] <joh6nn> flipstar: you have 15G of swap?
[00:58] <flipstar> lol
[00:59] <flipstar> no..root filesystem
[00:59] <joh6nn> ahhh
[00:59] <joh6nn> i was gonna say
[00:59] <joh6nn> WeaponX: strongly recommend that you put /tmp on its own partition
[00:59] <WeaponX> why do you say that?
[01:00] <flipstar> maybe he means /home instead of /tmp ..?
[01:01] <joh6nn> flipstar: no, i mean /tmp
[01:01] <flipstar> ../tmp gets deletet every login afair
[01:01] <joh6nn> yeah, but i don't log in and out all that often.  lots of people don't
[01:01] <joh6nn> which means it can pretty big pretty fast
[01:01] <WeaponX> yes /home has its own partition
[01:01] <WeaponX> 5gb
[01:02] <joh6nn> if it's on its own partition, and it fills up, then the worst that happens is some particular app crashes
[01:02] <RSC-232> is 20gig enough for kubuntu?
[01:02] <flipstar> sure
[01:02] <joh6nn> if /tmp is on /, and /tmp gets huge and fills / to capacity, things can get kind of interesting
[01:03] <flipstar> okay..make sence but since i login regular doesnt affect me ..
[01:04] <stabbymctwist> weaponx -- /boot is also handy to have on a seperate partition
[01:04] <tekteen> RSC-232: yes
[01:06] <flipstar> is there a way in koversation to switch tabs without mouse?
[01:06] <flipstar> *konversation
[01:06] <SlimeyPete> shift + right iirc
[01:07] <tekteen> ctrl+tab
[01:07] <tekteen> works with most programs
[01:07] <SlimeyPete> oh wait, yeah, that might be right
[01:07] <flipstar> doesnt work both ..
[01:08] <flipstar> okay ctrl+tab work if the focus is on the window itself
[01:09] <tekteen> ok
[01:09] <tekteen> so it does work?
[01:09] <flipstar> jep :) thx
[01:09] <tekteen> np
[01:10] <jckffyi> will the grub install see windows even if windows has been wiped off of the mbr? Or will I need to edit the menu.lst afterwards?
[01:10] <stabbymctwist> ubuntu will see windows and configure grub accordingly
[01:11] <flipstar> tekteen: it just dont make sense since i have to click on the window..and after switching tabs the focus is again on the speech bar :/
[01:11]  * dudlas is away: Gone away for now.
[01:12] <tekteen> flipstar: :-(
[01:16] <Dr_willis> !find synaptic
[01:16] <ubotu> Found: synaptic, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, gsynaptics, ksynaptics, libsynaptics-dev (and 3 others)
[01:16] <Dr_willis> !info  ksynaptics
[01:16] <ubotu> ksynaptics (source: ksynaptics): Synaptics TouchPad configuration tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.3-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 228 kB, installed size 1156 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm armeb armel hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc sparc)
[01:18] <Apple_Cat> PM ?
[01:20] <fsleeper> anyone versed in loading flashplayer?
[01:20] <joh6nn> define "versed" and "loading"
[01:21] <fsleeper> knowledgeable and putting it on your computer
[01:21] <flipstar> fsleeper:  sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[01:21] <stabbymctwist> flseeper -- in ubuntu, sudo apt-get install flashplayer-plugin-nonfree
[01:21] <stabbymctwist> i think
[01:22] <stabbymctwist> i haven't done that in a long time
[01:22] <fsleeper> did that - it doesn't take
[01:22] <fsleeper> or I might be doing it wrong
[01:22] <flipstar> >it< ?
[01:22] <flipstar> firefox ?
[01:22] <stabbymctwist> oh, you probably don't have the extra repositories enabled
[01:23] <flipstar> multiverse in this case
[01:23] <fsleeper> konqueror
[01:23] <stabbymctwist> go into adept, manage->repositories
[01:24] <flipstar> fsleeper: is it enabled in konqueror? konqueror setting>java&javascript>javascript
[01:25] <fsleeper> well when I launch the browser java is off but javascript is on
[01:35] <Arwen> ugh, compiz and Xorg are leaking memory on me :-\
[01:35] <Arwen> they've grown to using 200MB
[01:35] <pat5star> Arwen: quick, get the duct tape :)
[01:36] <Arwen> so yeah, my memory load is ridiculous, 80% RAM use and 60% swap
[01:36] <flipstar> ~130 here
[01:37] <flipstar> 39% & 0% :)
[01:37] <tekteen> ~200 here
[01:37] <Apple_Cat> 120 here
[01:38] <pat5star> 28% and 128 here, since we're polling :)
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> ?
[01:39] <pat5star> only 4 tabs going, and probably no where near the addons everyone else has
[01:39] <flipstar> compiz & xorg memory usage
[01:39] <philipp_> how i can add me to the group vboxuser?
[01:40] <philipp_> how can i add me to the group vboxuser?
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> philipp_: run "kdesudo kate /etc/group" and find where the vbouser line is.... add your user name after the colon at the end
[01:43] <philipp_> thanks
[01:46] <pat5star> philipp: or addgroup --ingroup vboxuser <username>
[01:47] <flipstar> will *ubuntu ever support a raid on installation ?
[01:47] <klerfayt> can anyone find package scroller?
[01:48] <flipstar> !find scroller
[01:48] <ubotu> No packages matching 'scroller' could be found
[01:48] <flipstar> nope
[01:48] <klerfayt> flipstar: it is listed with apt-cache showpkg ubuntu-desktop
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: in the alternate installer
[01:49] <flipstar> nosrednaekim: do i have to do something special to enable this ?
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: I don't know, I have never done it before
[01:51] <klerfayt> flipstar: never mind it is not listed, my mistake
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> !raid
[01:51] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[01:51] <flipstar> yes..just asking about an official implementation or so..
[01:53] <Ertain> Hello everyone.
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> hello Ertain
[01:55] <Ertain> Is anyone else's version of Gutsy freezing for no apparent reason?  I think mine's freezing up because of Firefox.
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> Ertain: mine certainly isn't
[01:55] <dthacker> Ertain: what's the last thing you do before it freezes?
[01:56] <fuhreal> stabbymctwist: this worked http://www.linux.ryukent.co.uk/show.php?id=36
[01:56] <Ertain> I opened up a website.
[01:56] <Ertain> I'
[01:56] <Ertain> have heard it's because of Flash but I have my doubts.
[01:57] <dthacker> Ertain: was it a flash website?  Do you have the flash plugin installed?
[01:57] <dthacker> !flash
[01:57] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[01:57] <flipstar> nosrednaekim: i just read everywhere "dmraid is currently not integrated into the installer" so i thought there might be plans to do so..
[01:57] <Ertain> Yeah, I have it installed.
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: I think that means ubiquity, not the command line installer
[01:58] <dthacker> Ertain: was it a website with flash?
[01:58] <philipp_> how can i install in konqueror the flashplayer? is he open source?
[01:58] <flipstar> last time i tried it wasnt recognized..
[01:58] <Ertain> Yes.
[01:58] <flipstar> with alternate
[01:59] <philipp_> how can i install in konqueror the flashplayer? is he open source?
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> philipp_: go into the konqueror settings->plugins and enable the flash plugin... (if you already have ti installed for firefox)
[02:01] <Apple_Cat> philipp_: is english your native language ?
[02:01] <philipp_> no
[02:02] <Apple_Cat> what is ?
[02:02] <Xef> What?
[02:03] <flipstar> not you Xef..
[02:03] <philipp_> is there an opn source flashplayer?
[02:03] <Xef> OK
[02:04] <flipstar> philipp_: yes.. gnash
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> philipp_: gnash... but it doesn't work real well IMO
[02:04] <philipp_> libflash-swfplayer seems to be os too
[02:05] <Xef> What do you do when a live Kubuntu ask you a login ID and a password?
[02:05] <flipstar> login:ubuntu password:none(no password)
[02:06] <Xef> I refer to a Kubuntu live DVD or CD.
[02:06] <flipstar> same
[02:06] <Xef> Thanks.
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> Xef: it should log you in automatically
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> Xef: did it? if not try enter
[02:10] <philipp_> i have installed them but i cant load it...
[02:11] <draik> Apple_Cat: Thank you for vbox
[02:11] <fuhreal> Does anyone use awn ?
[02:12] <Dr_willis> fuhreal,  i see a lot of people asking bout it in here from time to time.
[02:12] <Dr_willis> and ive seen several guides on installing it on the varioys ubuntu tutorial/news sites
[02:12] <Apple_Cat> you're welcome draik : )
[02:13] <fuhreal> Dr_willis: I think it would work well with something like E , flux or fvwm but i kde doesn't need it i think
[02:13] <fitoria> hello
[02:13] <fitoria> I am upgrading to Hardy
[02:13] <draik> Apple_Cat: I get things working on it. I'm asking in #vbox on how to get USB functionality
[02:13] <fitoria> and the following error comes out
[02:13] <Dr_willis> AWN as far as i know Requires a composting window manager - so that means compiz is needed... I dont think it will work at all with E/Fluxbox/fvwm
[02:13] <fitoria> el subproceso post-installation script fue terminado por la señal (Fallo de segmentación), volcado de «core»
[02:13] <fitoria> libc6 error
[02:13] <tekteen> !hardy|fitoria
[02:13] <ubotu> fitoria: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[02:13] <fitoria> in libC6 --configure
[02:14] <fitoria> ok
[02:14] <ahmos> !locale
[02:14] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[02:15] <fuhreal> Dr_willis: compiz seems like overkill ....
[02:16] <Dr_willis> fuhreal,  awn seems like overkill
[02:16] <Arwen> compiz, awn, and all 3d effects are shitty, slow, and resource hogs
[02:16] <fuhreal> Dr_willis: its nice to have a launcher
[02:16] <Arwen> not to mention buggy and prone to causing kernel panics
[02:16] <Dr_willis> fuhreal,  i have plenty of launchers...
[02:16] <fuhreal> Dr_willis: but then again, to each his own ...
[02:16] <philipp__> i have installed now gnash but i have problems to integrate it in konqueror
[02:17] <Dr_willis> awn also did not like my twinview setup last i used it.
[02:17] <philipp__> i have installed now gnash but i have problems to integrate it in konqueror
[02:21] <Strangework> I recently installed the package 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' in order to play movies and listen to music, now I have no audio.. XD what happened?
[02:22] <ahmos> hi, i've a problem setting my locales ..can any body help?
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> !sound | Strangework
[02:22] <ubotu> Strangework: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:23] <RSC-232> im using Homebuntu
[02:23] <RSC-232> something i put toether
[02:32] <Ertain> I have returned.  Even when I removed Flash and installed Gnash it still froze up.
[02:32] <Ertain> Heck, when I use Firefox my entire X server freezes up.
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> Ertain: no matter what site you go to?
[02:34] <Ertain> Yes.
[02:35] <hustan> hello i have a dependacy error on libc6 can anyone help?
[02:37] <RSC-232> hustan: join #linuxmce and ask there
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> hustan: ask in #ubuntu+1
[02:37] <hustan> ok thanks
[02:39] <eric> hola
[02:39] <VitaminH> Hello Kubuntu users!  I've got a bit of trouble here, hoping someone can help...
[02:39] <eric> hola alguien que me ayude a instalar los codec de mp3
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> VitaminH: ask :)
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> !es |eric
[02:39] <ubotu> eric: En el canal donde esta solo se premite hablar ingles. Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[02:40] <VitaminH> I've just installed Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4 and in the KDE control panel I enabled 3d desktop effects....and now I have a black screen with nothing but the arror/cursor
[02:40] <VitaminH> *arrow
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> VitaminH: ah..ok, thats fairly easy to fix.can you log into a recovery console
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> VitaminH: fromt he login manager that is, if not, there are other ways
[02:41] <VitaminH> (admittidly I am a newbie here...) I can get into a console window logging in as Session Type: Failsafe?
[02:41] <fuhreal> Anyone know the tar command to unrar ?
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> VitaminH: yes
[02:42] <hustan> hello
[02:42] <VitaminH> ok, looking at the shell window
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> hustan: ok, so whats the error?
[02:43] <hustan> its a dependacy error for libc6
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> can you pastebin the exact error?
[02:43] <hustan> it wont paste i can type it hold on
[02:44] <sensae> In xorg.conf in Section Screen Subsection Display, I can see my proper resolution is in the list, but I can't switch to it.
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[02:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:44] <hustan> Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6
[02:45] <hustan> so any fixes?
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> hustan: run "apt-cache search libc6" in a terminal
[02:46] <hustan> ok hold on
[02:46] <sensae> Anyone know why I can't switch to a higher resolution even though it's listed in xorg.conf?
[02:47] <hustan> here   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60490/
[02:48] <hustan> nosrednaeakim http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60490/
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> ok
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> hustan: what were you doing when you got this error? and in what app were you doing it
[02:49] <william_> tem alguem do brasil
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> !pt
[02:49] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[02:50] <hustan> nosrednaekim, im trying to install sdlmame and i get this error
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> hustan: ok, from the console, run "sudo apt-get install sdlmame" and pastebin the output
[02:52] <hustan> ok
[02:52] <VitaminH> nosrednaekim: I am at a console window, is there a specific thing I need to change to either reset the 3d desktop effects or alter so I don't just have a black screen?  ;)
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> hustan: you may need to close adpet, or synaptic or whatever you were suing before
[02:52] <hustan> i did
[02:53] <hustan> cant find the packages
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> pastebin the error
[02:53] <hustan> nosrednaekim: cant find packages
[02:53] <ForzaPalermo> anyone know how ot get system-config-samba working with kde4?
[02:53] <hustan> E: Couldn't find package sdlmame
[02:53] <hustan> thats it
[02:54] <hustan> heres where im getting it from  http://wallyweek.altervista.org/rel123.php
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> hustan: oh, I see, install that with Gdebi-kde
[02:55] <fuhreal> Anyone know where amarok would put its icon ?  mine seems to have changed to somethin ugly :|
[02:55] <hustan> so you know im not using kubuntu
[02:55] <hustan> im using ubuntu
[02:56] <fuhreal> hustan: ubuntu and kubuntu are the same just gnome vs kde desktops .... or whatever wm/desktop ur using
[02:56] <fuhreal> at least i think :/
[02:57] <hustan> ah ok
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> hustan: they vary in little parts, but not for things like this
[02:57] <hustan> il try kubuntu later see how that is
[02:57] <hustan> ok
[02:57] <hustan> so got a idea whys it doing this?
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> no...
[02:58] <hustan> ok
[02:58] <hustan> il update to 7.10 tommorow
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> probably a good idea
[02:59] <hustan> yea
[02:59] <hustan> alright thanks
[03:00] <sensae> !pastebin
[03:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:01] <sensae> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60493/ Here's my xorg.conf. My resolution's listed there but I can't switch to it.
[03:01] <eric> disculpen para kubuntu es
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> !es
[03:01] <ubotu> En el canal donde esta solo se premite hablar ingles. Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:01] <fuhreal> Anyone know where amarok would put its icon ?  mine seems to have changed to somethin ugly :|
[03:03] <VitaminH> nosrednaekim: I am at a console window, is there a specific thing I need to change to either reset the 3d desktop effects or alter so I don't just have a black screen?
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> VitaminH: run "rm .kde4/share/config/kwinrc"
[03:08] <VitaminH> '
[03:08] <VitaminH> oops
[03:08] <VitaminH> it's been removed...didnt seem to like me giving it the "exit" command so i've had to restart...
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> ok
[03:10] <VitaminH> exit brought me to a funny flashing screen wiht a bunch of colors and flashing alpha and beta signs.  it was scary
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[03:11] <VitaminH> success! back to the desktop
[03:11] <VitaminH> thanks so much
[03:11] <VitaminH> now, should I dare trying to enable 3d again or should I just wait until the "stable" release
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> you are welcome..... now, install some decent video drivers and then renable it
[03:12] <VitaminH> hahah...so that was my problem
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> or choose advanced->engine->Xrender
[03:12] <VitaminH> i thought i'd enabled my nvidia proprietarty drivers
[03:13] <VitaminH> ...hup nope they're not enable
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> try "glxinfo | grep -i direct
[03:14] <VitaminH> gotta install glxinfo first it appears....installing
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> VitaminH: FYI, hardy support should be in #ubuntu+1
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> and kde4 support in #kubuntu-kde4
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:15] <VitaminH> hah...oh sorry
[03:15] <VitaminH> <--- new guy
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> its ok
[03:15] <VitaminH> just dove into Linux about 2 months ago for the first time
[03:15] <VitaminH> Mac convert
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> wow.... hardy certainly ain't for the faint of heart:)
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> VitaminH: well, good luck, I have to go :)
[03:18] <VitaminH> thanks for the help friend!
[03:35] <nick_> hey
[03:36] <nick_> can i have a move background on linux
[03:36] <Jucato> move background?
[03:36] <nick_> yeah like water or image moving
[03:37] <Jucato> ah. no animated GIFs. but I think there might be ways around that... just not sure
[03:38] <nick_> ok
[03:38] <nick_> yeah a gif
[03:39] <Daisuke_Ido> no animated gifs?
[03:39]  * Daisuke_Ido weeps
[03:40] <NickPresta> There is an easy way around that :)
[03:41] <Daisuke_Ido> url?
[03:42] <NickPresta> `mplayer -rootwin -loop 0 image.gif` or even `mplayer -rootwin -loop 0 movie.avi`
[03:42] <Jucato> there
[03:43] <NickPresta> I don't know how bearable the buffering/flickering is on older machines but it works well on my machine
[03:43] <DeadS0ul> is there a screenshoot tour for kde 3.5.9 in hardy heron beta?
[03:43] <NickPresta> you can also add the 'nosound' flag if it is a movie and you don't need/want the sound
[03:44] <Jucato> DeadS0ul: there isn't really much change from 3.5.8 to 3.5.9. mostly bug fixes
[03:44] <Darkrift411> a tutorial im following for my os says 6) Open System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager, but i dont have "administration" under system
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> so i could actually use http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1557/1205113542608jy1.gif (warning, unashamed anime fan here)
[03:44] <Darkrift411> wher eelse would i find this?
[03:44] <Jucato> as for a screenshot tour of hardy heron itself... might have to google for that
[03:44] <spawn57> oh
[03:44] <Jucato> Darkrift411: K Menu -> System Settings -> Advanced tab
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> Darkrift411, system settings > advanced
[03:45] <Jucato> (that tutorial is for GNOME)
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> those are gnome instructions :P
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> beat me again :\
[03:45]  * NickPresta pats Daisuke_Ido's back.
[03:45] <Darkrift411> ty
[03:45] <NickPresta> It's okay. Jucato beats me frequently too
[03:45] <spawn57> Jucato: it says tht there's compiz effects in kubuntu's hardy heron release notes.  Any idea what kind?
[03:45] <Jucato> spawn57: dunno
[03:45] <spawn57> damn
[03:45] <Jucato> hehehe
[03:46] <prince_jammys> wobbly stuff
[03:46] <Daisuke_Ido> since part of kubuntu hardy's roadmap was feature parity with ubuntu, i would imagine the same effects
[03:47] <Daisuke_Ido> typical is shadowing and inactive titlebar transparency, advanced moves into min/max effects and wobbly windows
[03:47] <Jucato> spawn57: kubuntu doesn't have compiz that is separate from ubuntu's. basically what it probably means is that either compiz is installed by default or that it's very easy to install it
[03:49] <spawn57> Jucato: probably, I'll find out when i upgrade in a few weeks.  I upgraded to 3.5.9 on gutsy and it broke hal so I'm pretty annoyed :(
[03:51] <Jucato> spawn57: you can always ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:51] <spawn57> yeah, I treid.
[03:51] <spawn57> i'm just gonna wait for 2 weeks, I think it comes out then
[03:52] <Daisuke_Ido> about a month.
[03:57] <Alan_M> later everyone
[03:59] <maduser> whats konversations scripting directory?
[04:00] <Jucato> maduser: the system-wide/default installed scripts are in /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts
[04:00] <Jucato> maduser: you can put your own (per user only) in ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/scripts/
[04:01] <maduser> you also can specify the area where the script is
[04:01] <maduser> but I get a permisons error
[04:02] <Jucato> specify the area where the script is?
[04:02] <maduser> yeah like exec /home/script
[04:03] <posingaspopular> sudo the command
[04:03] <Jucato> posingaspopular: hm?
[04:03] <maduser> mabe
[04:03] <maduser> lets see
[04:03] <Jucato> maduser: well true, but for convenience, you can keep them with all the other scripts
[04:03] <Jucato> but what permission errors do you get? is the script executable?
[04:04] <maduser>  Could not execute script "/home/kevin/woo". Check file permissions.
[04:04] <maduser> thats it
[04:04] <Jucato> :D
[04:08] <maduser> now nothings happening
[04:09] <Jucato> without knowing what the script is or what it's supposed to do, can't really help you there
[04:09] <maduser> it spose to print out information
[04:10] <Jucato> where and how? in the current tab?
[04:11] <maduser> bug
[04:11] <maduser> cmd
[04:11] <maduser> fortune
[04:11] <maduser> fortunes.dat
[04:11] <maduser> gauge
[04:11] <maduser> google
[04:11] <maduser> kdeversion
[04:11] <maduser> mail
[04:11] <maduser> media
[04:11] <maduser> qurl
[04:11] <maduser> sayclip
[04:11] <maduser> sysinfo
[04:11] <maduser> uptime
[04:11] <maduser> weather
[04:11] <maduser> woo
[04:11] <maduser> woot
[04:11] <maduser> woot~
[04:11] <maduser> opps
[04:11] <maduser> well it worked
[04:11] <maduser> hmmm
[04:11] <Jucato> maduser: next time, do not test scripts in here
[04:13] <posingaspopular> kkon
[04:13] <posingaspopular> oops
[04:14] <nick_> he have a way to connect to another pc whit linux ?
[04:15] <nick_> ?
[04:22] <hatetank_> Need help with a new install!
[04:22] <Dr__Willis> oh
[04:23] <hatetank_> yes
[04:24]  * Dr__Willis wonders if hatetank_  is typing the actual problem/question, or waiting for someone to ask what the problem....
[04:24] <asobi> anyone uses noscript with firefox?
[04:24] <asobi> when you allow a site on the white list, it will allow all the flash, java, etc yes?
[04:25] <hatetank_> did a fresh install and then updates, then had a crash in adept.
[04:25] <Dr__Willis> !fixadept
[04:26] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[04:26] <posingaspopular> nixternal: depends on which computer
[04:26] <posingaspopular> samba, ssh, telnet, rloging, ftp, etc.
[04:27] <wad> I'd like to disable to automatic "apt-get update" functionality that my kubuntu box has. What's the best way to do this? Should I just delete /etc/cron.daily/apt ?
[04:27] <hatetank_> says a signal 6 sigabrt
[04:28] <Jucato> !adeptcrash | hatetank_
[04:28] <ubotu> hatetank_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[04:31] <Pendeta> Installing KDE I'm asked my DVB card type. I don't have on yet, but may get one.  But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[04:35] <hatetank_> newbie sorry!
[04:36] <Jucato> hatetank_: no worries :)
[04:36] <intelikey> ir ?   uv ?   convexion ?
[04:36] <Jucato> intelikey: sunburn :)
[04:36] <intelikey> uv
[04:36] <Jucato> oh right
[04:37] <intelikey> sorry to hear that.   at least it wasn't convection.
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey, why would you use bx when there's irssi?
[04:39] <nick_> witch program i use for connect to another pc
[04:39] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido i'm lazy
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> fair enough
[04:39] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido :)
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> just something i've noticed recently concering ubuntu (as a collective)...  there have been more and more "linux purists" (read: trolls) trying to detract attention because they fear mass adoption...
[04:41] <intelikey> nick_ depends on what you mean by connect.    web browser... ftp client... vnc viewer... ssh(and all it's facets)... samba/nfs... ?
[04:41] <nick_> like vnc
[04:42] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido yeah i don't like the dirrection that cannonical is taking linux.   it's ok to take one distro that way.  problem is it's dragging all FOSS with it...
[04:43] <intelikey> at least up to this point the shift is minor.
[04:43] <intelikey> !find vnc | nick_
[04:43] <ubotu> nick_: Found: libvncserver-dev, xvnc4viewer, directvnc, libsvncpp-dev, libsvncpp0c2a (and 18 others)
[04:44] <nick_> the better one ?
[04:44] <intelikey> tight-vnc  ?
[04:44] <Dr__Willis> Theres a dozen vnc variants. :) most work about the same.
[04:44] <nick_> ok good
[04:44] <Dr__Willis> for windows i tend to nstall 'ultravnc'
[04:44] <Dr__Willis> Tightvnc, or vnc4server is what i use on linux normally
[04:45] <intelikey> doc don't look now but you're spreding out in the middle...
[04:45] <Dr__Willis> Yep. :)
[04:45] <intelikey> :)
[04:45] <kanadian> can I connect to a cisco based system at my university via VNC software such as those?
[04:45] <Dr__Willis> Middle aged spread.
[04:45] <Dr__Willis> If they are running a vncserver.. yes.. if not.. no.. :) i guess..
[04:46] <kanadian> sorry. newb question
[04:46] <kanadian> they are running a vnc server though
[04:46] <Dr__Willis> You may want to read up on vnc. its a very flexiable tool.
[04:46] <kanadian> I sense a sunday project coming on :)
[04:46] <intelikey> nick_ i purposly omited "telnet" in the list ^ up there
[04:47] <intelikey> i can't believe i got this computer working....
[04:48] <nick_> lol
[04:48] <nick_> tightvnc or telnet
[04:48] <Dr__Willis> ssh !
[04:48] <Dr__Willis> :)
[04:48] <nick_> linux to windows
[04:49] <nick_> not linux to terminal XD
[04:49] <intelikey> lightening popped it the other day.    i tried for three days (off and on) to get it to post bios without success.     finally pulled all usable componants out of the box and pitched the box and mobo in the garbage (outside)
[04:50] <nick_> tightvnc no .deb :(
[04:51] <Dr__Willis> !find vnc
[04:51] <ubotu> Found: libvncserver-dev, xvnc4viewer, directvnc, libsvncpp-dev, libsvncpp0c2a (and 18 others)
[04:51] <intelikey> about five days later i happened to think of one other trick...    went out and dumped the water out of it, brought it in, hooked the psu back up and plugged a cpu in(without heatsync "duh OOPS") and it almost posted bios before it pooped and smelled funny (hot)
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> !find tightvnc
[04:51] <Dr__Willis> !find tightvnc
[04:51] <ubotu> Found: tightvncserver, xtightvncviewer, tightvnc-java
[04:51] <Dr__Willis> Its riht there in the repos...
[04:51] <intelikey> heh.   added a heatsync and ram...  i'm talking on it.
[04:51] <nick_> ummm
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> nick_, i highly recommend you read up on repositories and package managers
[04:52] <Dr__Willis> apt-get install  tightvncserver  xtightvncviewer
[04:52] <intelikey> !repos
[04:52] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[04:54] <Dr__Willis> My  Theres a lot of argumentive people in #ubuntu tonight
[04:54] <Dr__Willis> :)
[04:54] <intelikey> really ?   i'd go see but i'm banned still
[04:55] <rmattb> does the MOTD say "It's not Windows" :)
[04:55] <Darkrift411> is there anyone in here familiar enough with the process of getting bcm43xx (4311) installed and working to walk me thru it? I have tried many tutorials (7 mo's ago i got it working after 3 weeks).  I know im asking for a lot, but it would be much appreciated
[04:55] <nick_> Dr__Willis:  i install tight vnc but i not see it lol
[04:56] <Dr__Willis> nick_,  you may want to read its docs..
[04:56] <Dr__Willis> 'not see' as in you dont see an icon? Thats normal...
[04:56] <Dr__Willis> its not a gui app. :)
[04:56] <nick_> o ok
[04:57] <crxyem> I've tried firefox/mozilla-mplayer plugin but streaming medai opens in an external window, is there a way to have the content viewed in the webpage as streaming video ??
[04:57] <intelikey> rmattb echo 'cat /dev/random | cut -c66 > /etc/motd' >> /etc/rc.local       :)))
[04:57]  * Dr__Willis rembers suggesting reading up on vnc earier..
[04:57] <Dr__Willis> I tend to use vnc4server, not tightvnc. not sure how the 2 differ
[04:57] <nick_> ok
[04:57] <crxyem> wmv streams for example
[04:58] <nick_> like crossloop or logmein
[04:58] <nick_> do you have something comparable
[04:58] <intelikey> tightvnc is formulated specifically for slower networks.    not needed much anymore by most people.
[04:59] <Dr__Willis> Yea. I was wondering more how the confiugs/defaults are set up
[04:59] <Dr__Willis> vnc4server makes a .vnc dir and ,vnc/xstartup file to allow easy tweaking. :)
[04:59] <Dr__Willis> some others seem to do it differently
[04:59] <intelikey> .tightvncrc ?
[05:00] <Dr__Willis> tightvnc seems to be identical to vnc4server in this area.
[05:00] <Dr__Willis> Hmm.. tightvnc only let me use a 8 letter password for the vnc server
[05:01] <intelikey> ummm single packet limit there ?
[05:01]  * intelikey hadn't noticed    but doesn't normally use a vnc
[05:09] <posingaspopular> hey all, when I to launch frostwire, it doesn't run properly.. here is the output when I type it into the terminal
[05:09] <posingaspopular> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60505/
[05:10] <nick_> how to install a .tar
[05:11] <Possum234> after installing Kubuntu Gutsy, I got grub error 17
[05:11] <Possum234> can anyone explain what happened
[05:11] <posingaspopular> nick_: tar -xvzf (tar name)
[05:12] <Daisuke_Ido> zvf if it's not gzipped
[05:12] <Daisuke_Ido> no, xvf
[05:12] <Darkrift411> how to install tar: light cigarette, inhale, hold, exhale... tar installed in /lungs properly
[05:12] <Daisuke_Ido> whoops
[05:14] <nick_> sudo apt-get install limewire not work :(
[05:16] <posingaspopular> nick_: install frostwire
[05:16] <posingaspopular> apt-cache search limewire
[05:17] <nick_> E: Impossible de trouver le paquet frostwire
[05:17] <nick_> ls
[05:17] <nick_> mt
[05:17] <posingaspopular> someone is french :P
[05:18] <nick_> lol its said imposible to find the package frostwire
[05:20] <posingaspopular> nick_: i know french :P and that error output too
[05:20] <Jucato_> !frostwire
[05:20] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[05:21] <nick_> ok thnaks work now
[05:21] <sudobash> i bet it doesn't have BS adware and spyware like Limewire also
[05:21] <sudobash> but it is linux
[05:23] <nick_> !realvnc
[05:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about realvnc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:23] <nick_> grr lol
[05:24] <posingaspopular> msg Jucato http://imagebin.org/15122
[05:25] <posingaspopular> oops
[05:25] <posingaspopular> :P
[05:27] <nick_> lol a page of full code appaear when i downlaod it
[05:36] <nick_> i got froswire but java error
[05:37] <nick_> i install the 5.0 environement
[05:38] <asobi> is divx included in restricted extras?
[05:38] <Jucato> short answer: yes
[05:39] <Jucato> (longer answer: depends on what video and audio codec  was used for the video)
[05:40] <asobi> hmm
[05:40] <asobi> so i shouldn't need the divx webplayer then
[05:40]  * Jucato is not familiar with it
[05:45] <intelikey> hmm not bad hardware clock was only 2 houndred million seconds off...
[05:45] <asobi> how do you display /whois in chan instead of server tab with xchat?
[05:45] <Jucato> asobi: might want to ask that in #ubuntu or #xchat
[05:46] <asobi> is xvid included with restricted extras?
[05:46] <intelikey> i guess five days under water kinda reset the clock.
[05:46] <Jucato> asobi: same answer as divx
[05:46] <asobi> thought so
[05:47] <intelikey> xvid >< divx
[05:50] <EightiesK> um... i have a WUSB54g version 4 wireless card anyone know if i can use it in kubuntu?
[05:51] <nick_> i forgot how to install .tar.gz
[05:51] <Jucato> nick_: what are you trying to install?
[05:51] <asobi> does kaffeine play .mkv files?
[05:51] <nick_> java
[05:51] <nick_> im boring to try to install java and flash player
[05:51] <intelikey> nick_  ;/
[05:51] <Jucato> asobi:  I think so
[05:52] <Jucato> nick_: just install the package "kubuntu-restricted-extras" and you'll get those without having to compile them
[05:52] <nick_> not working
[05:52] <nick_> i try to open frostwire
[05:52] <nick_> and said java error
[05:52] <EightiesK> anyone?
[05:52] <Jucato> I think it's a problem with frostwire, not java
[05:53] <Jucato> !wireless | EightiesK
[05:53] <ubotu> EightiesK: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:53] <nick_> o ok
[05:53] <Jucato> might want to see the docs and check your brand/model
[05:53] <nick_> so im in ....
[05:53] <nick_> to use frostwire lol
[05:54] <nick_> my bad
[05:54] <asobi> they need to make ark able to handle .ace files ~_~
[05:55] <nick_> install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[05:55] <nick_> i try to install that
[05:56] <Jucato> asobi: Ark uses utilties to do its extracting/compressing.  try installing whatever utility is needed for ace formats
[05:56] <Jucato> nick_: again, if you have installed kubuntu-restricted-extras, you do need to make your life harder
[05:56] <asobi> oh
[05:56] <intelikey> !info unace
[05:56] <ubotu> unace (source: unace): extract, test and view .ace archives. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2b-5 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 80 kB
[05:57] <nick_> Jucato:  wher i can find restric in kde
[05:57] <Jucato> (of course, that depends if Ark was built to support ace files if the utility/backend is installed)
[05:57] <asobi> i assume i can install unace from adept?
[05:57] <intelikey> can still use unace if he needs to access an .ace
[05:57] <Jucato> nick_: K Menu -> Add/Remove Programs -> type "Kubuntu Restricted Extras" in the search box at the top. when it shows up, click on the checkbox to mark it for installation. then click on the Apply Changes button
[05:57] <Jucato> asobi: yes
[05:57] <nick_> ok thnaks
[05:58] <Jucato> intelikey: of course. but that doesn't really 'fix" his original quesiton/problem :)
[05:58] <intelikey> no
[05:58] <nick_> Aucun module externe trouvé pour «Média Shockwave Flash»
[05:58] <nick_> :(
[05:59] <nick_> i need flash player
[05:59] <nick_> again
[05:59] <Jucato> I do not speak french
[05:59] <Darkrift411> is there anyone in here familiar enough with the process of getting bcm43xx (4311) installed and working to walk me thru it? I have tried many tutorials (7 mo's ago i got it working after 3 weeks).  I know im asking for a lot, but it would be much appreciated
[05:59] <nick_> its said he need macromedia flash
[05:59] <nick_> !flash player
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash player - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <nick_> !flash
[05:59] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[05:59] <Jucato> nick_: yes. and you install Flash through Kubuntu Restricted Extras!
[05:59] <Jucato> Flash, Java, MP3 support, etc!
[05:59] <nick_> yes but he not work
[06:00] <Jucato> what browser are you using?
[06:00] <nick_> Adobe Flash was not detected...
[06:00] <nick_> konkeror
[06:00] <Jucato> go to Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> in the left side, there is a list with icons, go to the Plugins options. click the Scan for new plugins button
[06:00] <Jucato> then click on Apply, then OK. then try again
[06:01] <Jucato> if you need help translating, there's a #kubuntu-fr channel too
[06:01] <nick_> o thanks
[06:03] <pattyta> aloo?
[06:03] <pattyta> hay alguien despiertoo??
[06:03] <pattyta> :(
[06:04] <Jucato> !es
[06:04] <ubotu> En el canal donde esta solo se premite hablar ingles. Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[06:04] <Jucato> !pt
[06:04] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[06:04] <pattyta> ??
[06:04] <pattyta> lucato?
[06:04] <pattyta> puchaa....
[06:04] <Jucato> English only
[06:04] <pattyta> hellp me xD
[06:05] <mrtimbo> hi
[06:05] <intelikey> no speek geek in here some
[06:05] <pattyta> Need to Know ...
[06:05] <pattyta> :(
[06:06] <Jucato> know what?
[06:06] <Jucato> (you can ask in #ubuntu-es or #kubuntu-es if you are having a hard time using English)
[06:06] <pattyta> Install programs on kununtu, I
[06:06] <pattyta> ...
[06:06] <intelikey> it's down the hall to the left.   has a sign, one say men other say women
[06:06] <pattyta> kubuntu...
[06:06] <Jucato> intelikey: um?
[06:07] <mrtimbo> eh
[06:07] <asobi> inteli is trying to be funny
[06:07] <posingaspopular> which one pattyta
[06:07] <Jucato> pattyta: click on the K Menu. click on Add/Remove Programs. search for the program or programs you want to install, click on the box beside their name to check it, then click Apply Changes to install them
[06:08] <asobi> jucato is the most patient, helpful person i know
[06:08] <asobi> ^^
[06:08] <Jucato> nah. :P
[06:09] <Jucato> there are others too. probably better than me. they just happen to be asleep or at work :)
[06:09] <pattyta>   But I get nothing
[06:09] <asobi> true
[06:09] <pattyta>   I need help, I am new to this
[06:09] <asobi> so where are you?
[06:09] <intelikey> or even sleeping at work.
[06:10] <intelikey> man i can't stay on top of this thing today.
[06:10] <Jucato> go bottom :)
[06:10] <asobi> haha
[06:10] <Colonel_Panic> hey does anyone in here know anything about configuring eggdrop bots?
[06:10] <pattyta>   There is some room in Spanish ??
[06:10] <Jucato> !es | pattyta
[06:10] <intelikey> !es
[06:10] <ubotu> pattyta: En el canal donde esta solo se premite hablar ingles. Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[06:11] <asobi> is there a #eggdrop chan? =P
[06:11] <intelikey> Colonel_Panic what in particular ?
[06:11] <Colonel_Panic> yeah, but it's dead in there
[06:11] <Colonel_Panic> well
[06:11] <asobi> oh -_-
[06:11] <pattyta> Thanks guys, it became =)
[06:12] <Jucato> of course that doesn't make *this* channel the correct place to ask. :)
[06:12] <Colonel_Panic> I keep getting this error every time I telnet to it
[06:12] <Colonel_Panic> for some reason my bot won't recognize my password
[06:12] <Jucato> (if you do find someone in here who does know, please take the questions/conversation in private or in #kubuntu-offtopic  thanks)
[06:12] <Colonel_Panic> I have to delete the user file
[06:12] <Colonel_Panic> then re-log in as NEW to reassume control of it
[06:13] <pattyta> Apologize for the inconvenience, but I am new xD
[06:13] <Colonel_Panic> when I try to re-log in after restarting the bot
[06:13] <Jucato> pattyta: no problem
[06:13] <Colonel_Panic> I get this error: "Can't telnet until you have a password set"
[06:14] <pattyta> The bad thing is that there is nobody in the other room :(
[06:14] <Colonel_Panic> for some reason it's not saving my password
[06:14]  * Jucato *kindly* points Colonel_Panic to the fact that it is offtopic in here...
[06:14] <Colonel_Panic> yeah I know
[06:15] <intelikey> Colonel_Panic hmm never had that happen  but i always controlled locally.    maybe someone in ##linux  would know
[06:15] <Colonel_Panic> hmmm ok thx
[06:16] <EightiesK> when i try to install kubuntu it errors ans won't start x server anyone know why?
[06:17] <EightiesK> then it errors in Safe gfx mode...
[06:18] <EightiesK> anyone?
[06:18] <intelikey> EightiesK maybe boot with "noacpi vga=normal"  ?
[06:18] <EightiesK> intelikey: where would i type that?
[06:19] <intelikey> at the boot prompt
[06:19] <intelikey> f1
[06:19] <Pendeta> I just installed KDE on Ubuntu Server Edition. How do I start KDE?
[06:19] <intelikey> startx ?
[06:19] <intelikey> Pendeta or are you asking for a display manager ?     install gdm
[06:20]  * intelikey doesn't reccomend kdm cause he doesn't like it.
[06:20] <Jucato> or "startkde"
[06:20] <nixternal> or "startjucato"
[06:21] <intelikey> Jucato does that now bring up the xserver ?
[06:21] <Jucato> it always has
[06:21] <nixternal> really?
[06:21] <Jucato> iirc
[06:21] <Jucato> :)
[06:21] <Jucato> oh no wait
[06:21] <Jucato> lol
[06:21] <intelikey> hmmm never has for me.
[06:21] <Jucato> starx + startkde
[06:21] <Jucato> startx*
[06:21] <nixternal> there you go
[06:21] <Jucato> bah! that signals bed time :)
[06:21] <nixternal> or, export DISPLAY=:0 ring a bell?
[06:21]  * Jucato is incoherent when he's incoherent
[06:21] <nixternal> sudo /etc/inti.d/kdm restart
[06:22] <Jucato> nope. no bells here. only buzzers
[06:22] <nixternal> works all the time...or s/restart/start
[06:22] <intelikey> yeah.    but if he has only installed kde on top of ubuntu-server   startx will default to kde
[06:22] <Jucato> buzzes
[06:22] <asobi> thanks for the help and good night
[06:22] <nixternal> intelikey: not necessarily
[06:22] <nixternal> if he installed kubuntu-desktop then yes
[06:22] <Jucato> depends on the setting for X
[06:22] <nixternal> if he installed the kde-core stuff then I don't believe it does
[06:22] <nixternal> I know I had to create a custom start script for my trunk build of KDE 4 and KDE 3
[06:22] <intelikey> nixternal kde != kde-core
[06:23] <nixternal> intelikey: then how else would you install a fully functional KDE? by installed libs, pimlibs, base, pim, and so on?
[06:23] <intelikey> nixternal by installing kde
[06:23] <nixternal> kde-core is the meta package that install a vanilla KDE
[06:24] <intelikey> !find kde
[06:24] <ubotu> Found: atlantikdesigner, edubuntu-addon-kde, edubuntu-desktop-kde, gdebi-kde, gettext-kde (and 572 others)
[06:24] <intelikey> !info kde
[06:24] <ubotu> kde (source: meta-kde): the K Desktop Environment official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:47 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[06:24] <asobi> can someone dcc me something, want to test?
[06:24] <nixternal> oh ya, forgot about the kde metapackage..you are right intelikey
[06:24] <intelikey> sorry wrong switch.
[06:24] <nixternal> I am thinking kde4-core
[06:24] <asobi> say a picture, something small
[06:24] <nixternal> a picture, something small
[06:24] <asobi> >.<
[06:25] <nixternal> haha
[06:25] <nixternal> you told me to say it
[06:25] <nixternal> I have DCC blocked
[06:25] <asobi> anyone?
[06:25] <intelikey> test.
[06:26] <asobi> hmm
[06:26] <pattyta> I can send someone in the courtroom Spanish please
[06:26] <asobi> why does my dcc not work
[06:26] <intelikey> asobi router firewall
[06:26] <asobi> i use guarddog
[06:26] <EightiesK> intelikey: it says starting powernode can't create long line of code directory none existant
[06:27] <Pendeta> startx is giving a "no such file or directory" message. Does that mean I have a bad install?
[06:27] <intelikey> EightiesK yeah that's cause you told it not to insert the acpi modules        and ?
[06:28] <EightiesK> it started xserver then went back to the prompt
[06:28] <EightiesK> and its just stuck there.
[06:28] <EightiesK> just blinking.
[06:28] <intelikey> Pendeta no.  it means you installed a desktop environment without an xserver    install xwindow-system-core
[06:29] <EightiesK> do i need alt install disk?
[06:29] <intelikey> EightiesK ok.   do you have at least 256m ram there ?
[06:29] <Pendeta> intelikey, thanks. I'll do that now.
[06:29] <EightiesK> lol
[06:29] <EightiesK> no
[06:29] <EightiesK> lol
[06:29] <EightiesK> old computer.
[06:29] <EightiesK> well ya
[06:29] <intelikey> EightiesK that's your problem.   and yes alternate install
[06:29] <EightiesK> exactly 256
[06:30] <intelikey> errr then it should be plenty for the livecd
[06:30] <EightiesK> would oem be ok?
[06:30] <EightiesK> or will it format the whole comptuert?
  and points at jucato
[06:31] <asobi> anyone use guarddog?
[06:31] <asobi> jucato went to bed
[06:32] <intelikey> well i didn't even know that ubuntu was producing OEM cd's
[06:33] <EightiesK> lol
[06:34] <intelikey> hey don't laugh too hard.   i'm a linux fan   but not really much of a ubuntu fan.
[06:34] <EightiesK> i fixed it
[06:35] <EightiesK> I went in thru oem mode.
[06:36] <intelikey> asobi i installed guarddog and firestarter both one time to see if either would support the kind of custom tabeling i needed and neither did.  so i haven't seen them sense.
[06:36] <EightiesK> anyone else here have a WUSB54g version 4 wireless card
[06:36] <asobi> what firewall do you use?
[06:37] <intelikey> same one you do     iptables.
[06:37] <asobi> ...
[06:37] <asobi> oh right
[06:37] <intelikey> all guarddog and firestarter are is frontends to iptables
[06:37] <asobi> so how do you dcc?
[06:37] <intelikey> i leave a port open
[06:38] <asobi> how so?
[06:38] <asobi> i prefer gui but i am willing to use prompt
[06:40] <EightiesK> truthfully if it wasn't for amorok and kopete oh and katapult i'd stil with windows
[06:41] <asobi> O.o
[06:42] <intelikey> $iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 10100 -j ACCEPT
[06:42] <intelikey> something like that will open a port for you
[06:42] <asobi> how do i know which port to open?
[06:42] <intelikey> of course 10100 is an example onlyu
[06:43] <intelikey> default irc is 6667
[06:43] <asobi> well i can use irc fine
[06:43] <intelikey> you can "pick one" and set your client to use it.
[06:43] <asobi> i think 59 is default for dcc?
[06:43] <intelikey> 8000 here
[06:43] <asobi> hmm
[06:43] <asobi> #xchat is dead
[06:44] <asobi> how do i set xchat to a dcc port
[06:44] <intelikey> ##linux is probably drunk    and #ubuntu is newbish
[06:44] <asobi> it looks like my entire port ranges are open
[06:44] <intelikey> asobi in it's menu
[06:44] <asobi> what menu?
[06:44] <DarkriftX> is there anyone in here familiar enough with the process of getting bcm43xx (4311) installed and working to walk me thru it? I have tried many tutorials (7 mo's ago i got it working after 3 weeks).  I know im asking for a lot, but it would be much appreciated
[06:45] <intelikey> asobi you have a version of xchat that doesn't have a menu ?
[06:45] <asobi> define menu?
[06:45] <DarkriftX> asobi right click in the center of the chat window, should bring up the menu
[06:46] <intelikey> asobi ;/
[06:46] <DarkriftX> i htink he means he "file view" etc menu
[06:46] <asobi> oh
[06:46] <asobi> yea
[06:46] <asobi> i do
[06:46] <asobi> which menu do i want
[06:46] <asobi> my settings show i have all ports open
[06:47] <asobi> settings -> preferences -> file transfer -> ports 0 to 0 is all ports open yes?
[06:47] <asobi> nothing in dcc ip address though
[06:47] <intelikey> i haven't used xchat in many years now...
[06:48] <EightiesK> is there a mirandaIM client for linux or is is windows only?
[06:48] <intelikey> well thanks for wakeing me up.     i need to make rounds.
[06:48] <asobi> use pidgin
[06:49] <EightiesK> i used pidgin since .07 GAIM Alpha
[06:49] <EightiesK> lol
[06:49] <EightiesK> latley theres so many bugs....
[06:49] <asobi> -_-
[06:49] <asobi> it's fine here
[06:50] <EightiesK> in linux i prefer kopete.
[06:51] <asobi> the layout/organization is unattractive to me
[06:51] <EightiesK> the only way i can get into Xserver is in oem mode but i can't do a regualr install from there....
[06:52]  * asobi is a newb, can't help you there :/
[06:52] <asobi> tried live cd?
[06:52] <asobi> it was very easy for me
[06:52] <EightiesK> it is the live cd
[06:53] <EightiesK> but the live cd won't open xserver
[06:53] <asobi> ...
[06:53] <asobi> um
[06:53] <asobi> damaged cd?
[06:53] <EightiesK> no
[06:53] <asobi> no idea then
[06:53] <EightiesK> it runs the live cd in oem mode
[06:53] <asobi> try another live cd?
[07:00] <stdin> BT note: please don't remove these:
[07:11] <Arwen> um, libiconv is part of libc6, right?
[07:12] <Arwen> I've got a source package that's searching for libiconv.so
[07:14] <cq> is shutdown -r a good idea under kubuntu, or are the log-off options better?
[07:14] <Arwen> it's a good idea if you want to reboot...
[07:15] <Arwen> you might wanna log out first if you prefer not having a term signal being sent to all your apps
[07:15] <cq> sure, i just had a term running, so it's ok
[07:17] <cq> is there anyone really technically good here?  I think I managed to hose my whole system with one apt-get install ...
[07:17] <cq> now on boot in recovery mode the system hangs saying it's trying to read beyond the disk limits
[07:22] <cq> how exactly do ubuntu and kubuntu work, they take debian's archive and system, preconfigure it and add gnome/kde and change some bootups, or is there more to it?
[07:28] <cq> how stable/unstable is 8.04?
[07:28] <cq> I know it's beta, but is it early or late beta ;)
[07:59] <stdin> cq: the beta was releases on thursday
[08:00] <cq> I looked at the changes... looks like mostly desktop improvements, right?
[08:00] <cq> over 7.10
[08:01] <stdin> cq: for the beta, yes. but remember there were alphas before that and quite a lot has changed "under the hood"
[08:02] <cq> where are the under the hood changes listed?  is there a changelog somewhere? I didn't find one
[08:03] <stdin> cq: the entire changelogs? those are stored per source-package, have a look at http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/ to see them all, though they aren't sorted per release
[08:04] <stdin> so the entire changelog for packages are there, from the 1st packaging
[08:04] <cq> ah... there's no 'under the hood changes from 7.10 to 8.04' summary somewhere? :)
[08:05] <stdin> no, it would take months of effort just to do that and, to be frank, we have better things to do ;)
[08:05] <cq> understood ;)
[08:05] <cq> I'm just trying to figure out if I want to install the beta or not.
[08:05] <cq> are the releases based on debian stable, testing, or a mixture?
[08:06] <stdin> unstable
[08:06] <stdin> that is, debian unstable
[08:06] <cq> unstable? that's gutsy...
[08:06] <cq> why not testing? or are some things too slow there?
[08:06] <stdin> testing breaks too much
[08:07] <cq> I thought the point of testing was to move it from unstable into testing only when it _doesnt_ break too much
[08:07] <cq> i.e. dependencies OK, no bugs filed in XX days ...
[08:08] <stdin> I thought it was testing -> unstable, but I'm not sure any more. haven't used debian for years now
[08:08] <stdin> if you want to test the ISOs, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing though we recommend you keep backups, etc... etc...
[08:08] <cq> no, unstable -> testing -> stable
[08:09] <cq> http://www.debian.org/devel/testing is a good quick summary
[08:10] <cq> there's also experimental for stuff too unstable to go into unstable
[08:10] <stdin> hardy should be stable enough for an experienced user, but probably not for the "average" one
[08:11] <stdin> cq: give me main, restricted, universe and multiverse. less confusing :p
[08:11]  * djdarkman is installing hardy....
[08:11] <djdarkman> so far soo good, no troble with the upgrade tool that worked nice when I upgraded to gutsy
[08:12] <cq> stdin: it's different, debian develops the base system, so their stuff is organised along stability lines.  the ubuntu worls is along base system to userland dimensions
[08:13] <stdin> cq: yes, I know :)
[08:15] <re-align> Anyone know where Firefox stores the images used in its themes?
[08:17] <david__> I just installed 7.10 and let adept install all the updates. Now everytime I try to use adept or add/remove or similar, I get an error saying another package manager is running
[08:17] <stdin> !aptfix
[08:17] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[08:18] <david__> I let it try to stop it and get a crash handler. even rebooting doesn't solve this
[08:18] <stdin> david__: do what ubotu said there
[08:18] <david__> o thanks, will try now
[08:18] <re-align> david, I had the same problem, the above fixed it.
[08:21] <david__> ubotu: Which option do I choose when it asks which config file to keep? default is to keep your current version
[08:21] <stdin> just press enter to choose the default
[08:21] <re-align> !help
[08:21] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:22] <david__> wow that ubotu is pretty damn smart, it knew exactly what i wanted
[08:22] <jussio1> david__: ubotu is a robot
[08:22] <david__> Which option do I choose when it asks which config file to keep? default is to keep your current version
[08:23] <david__> yes I know
[08:23] <|Cain_|> can someone tell me how to change the color of the kicker?
[08:23] <david__> thats why I said "it" lol
[08:23] <user5> vai nella sez. it
[08:24] <stdin> david__: choose the default if you want
[08:24] <david__> stdin: thanks
[08:24] <jussio1> |Cain_|: its part of the theming, but you need to enable it by right clicking kicker and configuring it
[08:24] <jussio1> !it | user5
[08:24] <ubotu> user5: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:30] <re-align> !themes
[08:30] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[09:15] <ProbeDot> i have a text file having one word on each line. how can i delet duplcate words?
[09:17] <SSJ_GZ> ProbeDot: Run in through sort and uniq
[09:17] <SSJ_GZ> *it
[09:18] <ProbeDot> SSJ_GZ nickrud if there are sentences on each line instead of words. then what will this do. cat /home/a.txt | sort | uniq   ?
[09:19] <SSJ_GZ> ProbeDot: sort | uniq sorts the lines into alphabetical order, and filters out lines that are identical to the line before it.
[09:20] <ProbeDot> SSJ_GZ you mean exact lines?
[09:20] <SSJ_GZ> ProbeDot: I think they have to be 100% identical, yes.
[09:21] <ProbeDot> this will not be sorted? 1. helo how are you 2. helo how @are you        (both lines will be untouched)?
[09:21] <ProbeDot> SSJ_GZ ok. thanks!
[09:21] <SSJ_GZ> ProbeDot: np -:)
[09:24] <pat5star> ProbeDot: I'm hurt!  :(   I gave you the answer in another channel already! touch newfile.txt < oldfile.txt | uniq
[09:24] <pat5star> ProbeDot: I'm hurt!  oops, meant touch newfile.txt < cat oldfile.txt | uniq
[09:25] <ProbeDot> pat5star that was witha windows app. linux is better
[09:25] <ProbeDot> SSJ_GZ pat5star i have another small txt files. each line with one word. how do i delete the words in a.txt that match with words in the small file b.txt ?
[09:26] <pat5star> ProbeDot: well I won't argue that with you :)
[09:26] <ProbeDot> pat5star :)
[09:26] <SSJ_GZ> ProbeDot: Hmmm ... can't think of a good way of doing that; sorry!
[09:27] <ProbeDot> k
[09:27] <Jucato> ProbeDot: you might want to try asking in ##bash or ##linux (probably the former)
[09:27] <ProbeDot> Jucato iam baned in linux
[09:27] <ProbeDot> dont know why
[09:27] <pat5star> ProbeDot: depending upon how big it is, if it's not too big, you can do diff -u a.txt b.txt and compare the 2, if it's too big to manually edit, we can come up with a one liner to handle it :)
[09:28] <ProbeDot> pat5star the smal files has just 50 words. but the big file has about 5000
[09:29]  * Jucato guesses a mixture of bash, grep, cut, etc
[09:29] <ProbeDot> so what you  should i do
[09:29] <Jucato> ##bash
[09:29] <ProbeDot> k
[09:29]  * Jucato thinks its offtopic for this channel anyway
[09:30] <Jucato> if anyone's interested in continuing to help ProbeDot, please head over to #kubuntu-offtopic for it
[09:30] <Jucato> thanks
[09:30] <ProbeDot> your welcome Jucato :)
[09:32] <pat5star> ProbeDot: a one-liner bash script would go something like this: for word in `cat a.txt`; do; grep $word b.txt; if [ $? -eq 0 ]; do echo $word >> c.txt; fi; done;
[09:32] <Jucato> ahem :)
[09:32] <pat5star> ProbeDot: c.txt would contain all unique words
[09:38] <pat5star> Jucato: u have a cold?
[09:40] <ProbeDot> pat5star thanks
[09:40] <pat5star> ProbeDot: yw, hope that worked, I'm drunk and high and worried that I didn't get syntax quite right :)
[09:41] <pat5star> ProbeDot: nothing like spending a Friday night drinking alone, popping percocets like candy, and chatting with a bunch of geeks on irc :P
[09:42] <jussi01> pat5star: he has left. can we move on now please?
[09:42] <pat5star> and so everyone knows, I mean geeks in nicest form :)
[09:42] <pat5star> jussi01: oh, quite right...what is the next topic/question sir jussi01?
[09:42] <pat5star> jussi01: seeing that it's so busy and all
[09:43] <jussi01> pat5star: this is a kubuntu support channel, you were asked to go to #kubuntu offtopic for other discussion
[09:44] <pat5star> jussi01: I answered his question on one short line, I'm sure it didn't upset this very important/busy channel that much, but if it did I offer my utmost apologies
[09:45] <pat5star> jussi01: and I promise to never, ever do something that bad again!
[09:47] <pat5star> jussi01: do you live in your parents basement and have lot of pimples? Don't mean to stereotype, but just trying to form a mental image :P
[09:48] <Jucato> pat5star: that is totally uncalled for
[09:48] <pat5star> Jucato: it is? my bad.
[09:49] <pat5star> Jucato: just wondering why a short one line answer to someones question gets a person in trouble, instead of thanked, that all. guess I'm a little perturbed
[09:49] <Jucato> 1. I already gave a warning to take the bash/scripting conversation to #kubuntu-offtopic (that was what the ahem was for). 2. please stay on topic and behave towards others
[09:50] <Jucato> it was not for that one single line but for the entire topic. and as I said, I already gave a heads up to continue in the offtopic channel
[09:50] <pat5star> Jucato: are we allowed to ask why? Or are we to accept orders without question? I'm trying to be helpful to new linux users...what you may not know was that he was asking for help in the #windows channel first
[09:51] <pat5star> Jucato: seems to me that our goal is to convert users to linux (any distro), and he moved here
[09:51] <Jucato> why? simple. this channel is for Kubuntu support questions. this channel (along with other ubuntu channels) have rules. one of them is to stay within the topic (which is Kubuntu support). we have offtopic channels for other kinds of conversations
[09:52] <pat5star> Jucato: I'd consider my one line answer a success that may help convert another user to becoming a fulltime user, but am being reprimanded by ops on the channel, just seems contradictory
[09:52] <Jucato> !guidelines
[09:52] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
 it was not for that one single line but for the entire topic. and as I said, I already gave a heads up to continue in the offtopic channel
[09:53] <pat5star> Jucato: I'm aware of that. But his problem was solveable in kubuntu, which he is new too, and I offerred him help on one line.
[09:53] <Jucato> you keep on insisting that it's that *one liner*
[09:53] <pat5star> Jucato: how many lines do you think it was?
[09:54] <pat5star> Jucato: cause I do tend to ramble :)
[09:54] <Jucato> pat5star: and look, ProbeDot understood and had no problems about it
[09:54] <pat5star> Jucato: right, my point exactly. He couldn't get help on #windows but we solved it here. Is that not our goal?
[09:54] <Jucato> let's see, 10 minutes worth of conversation?
[09:55] <pat5star> Jucato: cause I could argue that most questions asked here should be taken off topic otherwise
[09:55]  * Jucato sighs
[09:55] <Jucato> pat5star: this should be simple. we have rules. please abide by them
[09:56] <pat5star> Jucato: hey look, I'll sign off an leave permanetly if that helps you/makes you feel better. I'm just a huge kubuntu fan that wants to help others and convert them over too. Maybe I don't belong here
[09:56] <Jucato> no one's telling you to leave
[09:57] <Jucato> this conversation itself is already offtopic. and wouldn't be happening if you just 1. let it go like ProbeDot and 2. didn't bite back with that almost insulting remark
[09:58] <pat5star> Jucato: well then let's not have an argument over something as silly as this. I peruaded the user from #windows to here, sovled his problem that couldn't be solved on #windows, and the channel isn't busy. I really don't see your point, but I won't do it again either
[09:58] <pat5star> Jucato: ok I'll drop it and I apologize
[09:59] <harpal> plz help with mpg123 equiliser file format
[09:59] <pat5star> jussi01: I apoligize for my comment earlier as well
[10:00] <cq> I have a machine which shows HD problems, "attempt to access beyond end of device". just did a clean reintsall, still there
[10:00] <cq> any ideas on what it could be? the machine is old, HD is new, 30gb...
[10:00] <cq> try with a smaller partition maybe?
[10:15] <devnul1> Evening all...  Need a quick question answered using xubuntu... Unable to locate any info in forms
[10:18] <devnul1> any advailible to help real quick
[10:18] <pat5star> devnul1: what do you mean in forms?
[10:20] <devnul1> The ubuntu web forms... My question is quick and simple.. I am using xubuntu but dont like the file manager it uses... I installed Kubuntu but to resource intensice... I was woundering if I can use DOLPHIN the Kubuntu file manager in xubuntu. Or can I install it with that version of ubuntu
[10:23] <pat5star> devnul1: I'm not sure if dolphin will run without kde, you can remove everything kde related, then apt-get install dolphin, and look to see what it wiil install and decide if it's worth it or not
[10:24] <devnul1> Kewl Thanks for the info...  I check that out and look around the web some more and see if i can find anything as well... Thanks for your time
[10:25] <philipp_> I have installed a flashplayer called gnash how can i use him wiht Konqueror?
[10:26] <philipp_> j #kubuntu-de
[10:29] <_Shade_> hi there
[10:30] <_Shade_> i just downloaded and installed kubuntu-kde4 beta image, and - to my suprise - i got kde3 os instead
[10:37] <pat5star> Shade_: if you logout, then click the button to the right of the form fields, you'll have the option for session. Choose kde4 and enter login info and it will load up kde4 for you
[10:38] <_Shade_> pat5star: the point is i haven't got any kde4 in sessions menu.
[10:39] <Bewohner> nas
[10:39] <Jucato> _Shade_: that'd be weird. sure you got the right ISO?
[10:40] <_Shade_> Jucato: i followed the kubuntu.org's announcement :)
[10:41] <philipp_> I have installed a flashplayer called gnash how can i use him wiht Konqueror?
[10:41] <Jucato> _Shade_: which one specifically?
[10:42] <Jucato> philipp_: try going to Settings -> COnfigure Konqueror -> Plugins -> click Scan for new plugins and click Apply and then OK
[10:42] <_Shade_> Jucato: oh man... my mistake, sorry.... aargh
[10:42] <pat5star> _Shade_: oh sry, did you download kde4-core (I think that's what it's called, I can't check now). apt-get install kde4-core
[10:43] <Jucato> pat5star: he thought he downloaded the KDE 4 remix ISO :)
[10:43] <Jucato> I guess he didnt :P
[10:43] <pat5star> Jucato: oh I misunderstood
[10:44] <Jucato> pat5star: I actually thought he downloaded the packages too
[10:44] <_Shade_> but anyways... does anyone know how can i set up the nvidia restricted drivers? jockey doesn't install anything for me
[10:44]  * Jucato had to read the sentence twice
[10:44] <philipp_> Jucato it dosent work... i think i have to to give it the path where i have installed it at first
[10:44] <pat5star> Jucato: i'm on my server right now and don't have the extra repositories added so i can't look up what it is he needs to download
[10:45] <Jucato> pat5star: no problem. there's a #kubuntu-kde4 channel where _Shade_ can find lots of helpers for that :)
[10:46] <pat5star> _Shade_: you can type systemsettings in a term, then go to advanced, then restricted drivers and go from there
[10:46] <Jucato> philipp_: oooh looks like you have to install konqueror-plugin-gnash
[10:46] <Jucato> (or K Menu -> System Settigs :P)
[10:46] <pat5star> or like Jucato said too :)
[10:47] <philipp_> philipp@hufi:~$ whereis gnash
[10:47] <philipp_> gnash: /usr/bin/gnash /usr/lib/gnash /usr/share/gnash /usr/share/man/man1/gnash.1.gz
[10:47] <Jucato> or Alt+F2, "systemsettings"
[10:47] <pat5star> you gotta love linux, there is a ton of ways to do the same thing
[10:47]  * Jucato nods
[10:47] <philipp_> jucato what have i to do?
 philipp_: oooh looks like you have to install konqueror-plugin-gnash
[10:48] <_Shade_> Jucato: havent got THAT option in the advanced tab
[10:48] <Jucato> same way you installed gnash (how did you do that?)
[10:48] <Jucato> _Shade_: hm... KDE 3.5 right?
[10:48] <_Shade_> Jucato: indeed
[10:49] <Jucato> _Shade_: can you run "kdesu restricted-manager-kde" ?
[10:50] <Jucato> if it complains about it not existing, then install restricted-manager-kde
[10:51] <_Shade_> Jucato: i have jockey installed already
[10:54]  * Jucato doesn't know jockey
[10:55] <Jucato> more over, I don't know how to use it...
[10:55] <_Shade_> Jucato: it's a replacement for restricted manager in hardy
[10:55] <Jucato> um.. _Shade_ that is on hardy right?
[10:55] <Jucato> ok.. you might find more/better help in #ubuntu+1 for your questions then :)
[10:55] <dejava06> #semarang
[10:58] <m4n> what would be the best option to have some automatic wireless network configuring system tray application
[10:58] <m4n> anything that can scan for network at startup and enable selecting any one of them
[10:59] <Jucato> not a wireless expert, but I think knetworkmanager can handle that
[10:59] <jpatrick> m4n: I think KNetworkManager does that
[10:59] <m4n> let me see if I have that installed
[11:01] <pat5star> m4n: if not, you should install that...imo it's kubuntus best wireless network manager: apt-get install knetworkmanager   and it will be in kmenu -> internet -> knetworkmanager
[11:01] <m4n> i just installed that.. let me check it out
[11:02] <pat5star> m4n: important tip with knetworkmanager is to make sure your /etc/network/interfaces file doesn't have any entries other than the lo interface
[11:02] <m4n> ah no wonder
[11:02] <m4n> its showing manual only for me
[11:02] <m4n> let me try removing those entries
[11:03] <pat5star> m4n: right, remove any entries in interfaces, then you may need to reboot your machine
[11:18] <Mushan> Hur stänger man ner "apt-get"? kan inte lägga till/ta bort program heller för den körs någonstanns.. eller? :D
[11:22] <kheops> how to install drivers?
[11:22] <kheops> ubuntu 7.10?
[11:23] <Apple_Cat> what are the drivers for ?
[11:23] <mohi> hi :)
[11:23] <emilsedgh> kheops: driver of what? ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:23] <emilsedgh> hey mohi :)
[11:23] <kheops> Ati mobility X600
[11:23] <kheops> kubuntu
[11:23] <mohi> hey emilsedgh ;)
[11:24] <emilsedgh> kheops: use the restricted manager from System Settings->Advanced
[11:24] <m4n> hey whoever helped me, it worked perfectly :)
[11:24] <m4n> all I had to do was remove those manual configuration entries from that file
[11:24] <cq> how do I change the keyboard to german once ive booted from the live cd
[11:24] <m4n> thanks a lot guys
[11:24] <cq> ?
[11:25] <emilsedgh> cq: System Settings->Reginal and Language->Keyboard Layout
[11:26] <Apple_Cat> emilsedgh is on the ball tonight : )
[11:26] <emilsedgh> hehe
[11:26] <mohi> what can I do for this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5989/
[11:26] <emilsedgh> Apple_Cat: i just could answer easy questions ;)
[11:26] <kheops> Error : The software source for the package xorg-driver-fglrx is not enabled
[11:27] <cq> got it thanks
[11:27] <emilsedgh> kheops: hm, please open Adept Manager and enable reporitories from there
[11:30] <yoann_> bjr
[11:30] <yoann_> hi all
[11:31] <yoann_> :(
[11:31] <emilsedgh> !hi | yoann_
[11:31] <ubotu> yoann_: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:31] <Apple_Cat> mohi: what happens if you use Adept, or aptitude to install php5-cgi, usually they will sort out dependency  problems
[11:32] <yoann_> no french here?
[11:32] <emilsedgh> !fr | yoann_
[11:32] <ubotu> yoann_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:32] <yoann_> ui
[11:32] <yoann_> ty
[11:33] <yoann_> bb
[11:33] <mohi> Apple_Cat: the same story but with this msg: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[11:35] <Apple_Cat> you could try apt-get with the -f option, ie sudo apt-get -f install php5-cgi
[11:36] <emilsedgh> mohi: btw why you want php-cgi?
[11:38] <cq> OK, something is messed up in this computer, I get HD errors that completely crash or even trash the system from time to time, memtest+ shows no problems, neither does smarttools on the HD... any other diagnostic ideas?
[11:38] <kheops> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[11:38] <mohi> emilsedgh: for php5
[11:38] <jpatrick> !aptfix | kheops
[11:38] <ubotu> kheops: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[11:44] <JasonWard> Hello
[12:03] <kheops>  If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a » there are no changes
[12:03] <flipstar> hi, i decided to install gnome beside kde..where do i start? just install ubuntu-desktop ?
[12:06] <flipstar> you guys dont like gnome ?
[12:07] <Apple_Cat> ?
[12:07] <jpatrick> flipstar: just install ubuntu-desktop
[12:07] <flipstar> okay..
[12:07] <Jucato> wow... what a conclusion drawn from 2 minutes of silence :)
[12:08] <Jucato> flipstar: more detailed instructions: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/gnome
[12:08] <flipstar> 2 minutes are much on irc :P kdm will still be my default login manager ?
[12:09] <jpatrick> flipstar: it will ask you if you want kdm or gdm
[12:09] <ramzay> What do you know about last games for ubuntu  ?
[12:09] <flipstar> okay the site answers all my questions
[12:09] <Jucato> flipstar: you can keep it
[12:09] <Jucato> the last games?
[12:09] <flipstar> thanks
[12:09] <ramzay> *new
[12:10] <Jucato> for Ubuntu? you mean GNOME games? might want to ask in #ubuntu about those
[12:10] <Jucato> (Kubuntu doesn't install KDE games by default. not sure about the KDE 4 version of Kubuntu though)
[12:10] <Letze> hi...
[12:10] <Letze> all
[12:11] <ramzay> http://www.nexuiz.com
[12:11] <Letze> i've a question...I am upgrading to hardy..i was in gutsy with kde3
[12:11] <ramzay> http://www.worldofpadman.com
[12:11] <Letze> how can i disinstall kde3 and have only kde4?
[12:12] <ashmaus> !apt-fix
[12:12] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[12:13] <Letze> sorry if the question is stoopid
[12:13] <ramzay> Чорт ктулху сожрет вас = )
[12:15] <Letze> ok...
[12:16] <Letze> noone knows...thank you
[12:16] <Letze> bye
[12:16] <flipstar> Letze: as far as i know you can only have kde4 beside kde3..
[12:16] <flipstar> you could do a clean kde4 installation..
[12:16] <flipstar> hm
[12:17] <Jucato> bah.. too late
[12:18] <flipstar> maybe he will check the logfile someday :)
[12:18] <ajdam> hi all
[12:18] <flipstar> !hi | ajdam
[12:18] <ubotu> ajdam: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:19] <ajdam> hey, i'm here first time
[12:19] <Jucato> so welcome :)O
[12:19] <ajdam> thanks:)
[12:19] <JasonWard> ajdam: hi
[12:19] <emilsedgh> Jucato: a few really cool games are coming for 4.1, kubuntu should really include them in next release
[12:20] <ajdam> this is British server?
[12:20] <Jucato> emilsedgh: it's a matter of disk space :)
[12:20] <Jucato> !uk
[12:20] <ubotu> Join us for a discussion using the Queen's English in #ubuntu-uk
[12:20] <flipstar> ajdam: this is a international server
[12:20] <ajdam> ok
[12:20] <Jucato> this is English Kubuntu channel on the Ubuntu IRC server.
[12:21] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i know, but they arent huge, i hope you could free up some space for them
[12:21] <flipstar> he was asking about the server :P not the channel
[12:21] <Jucato> emilsedgh: the winapps are probably the biggest offender :P
[12:21] <Jucato> emilsedgh: but yeah I agree with you
[12:21] <emilsedgh> yes, i really prefer them to not to be included
[12:21] <emilsedgh> wubi is enough :D
[12:21] <Jucato> flipstar: you'll find out sometime that people have different ideas about IRC :)
[12:22] <flipstar> hm right :=)
[12:22] <Jucato> emilsedgh: I'd rather not have even wubi.. but :P
[12:22] <emilsedgh> ubuntu is live disc, those apps are just a waste of disc space
[12:22] <emilsedgh> hehe
[12:22] <ajdam> when relase the Hrady Heron?
[12:22] <flipstar> 24.04.08
[12:22] <Jucato> sometime next month
[12:22] <ajdam> thx
[12:23] <emilsedgh> hm
[12:23] <ramzay> ыыыыы
[12:23] <emilsedgh> what about a countdown widhet Jucato?
[12:23] <emilsedgh> s/widhet/widget/
[12:23] <Jucato> I think there's one over at Planet Ubuntu
[12:29] <ajdam> bye
[12:29] <flipstar> there were some depencies errors while installing ubuntu-desktop in kde..(acpid,ubuntu-desktop,acpi-support,powermanagement-interface) can i ignore this ?
[12:29] <Jucato> um... that would be weird, since those are already installed (except for ubuntu-desktop)
[12:31] <flipstar> hm i'll try to login to gnome
[12:33] <hell_> hi
[12:33] <hell_> is there anybody russian?
[12:33] <Jucato> !ru | hell_
[12:33] <ubotu> hell_: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[12:34] <hell_> thx a lot
[12:42] <Ner> doe's anyone know how to run counterstrike properly on kubuntu?
[12:42] <Ner> it's the only thing holing me back from a complete switch over
[12:49] <hola> i neded elp to configure my webacm....it seem s impossibile
[13:05] <fuhreal> anyone know how to launch KDM theme manager once its installed?
[13:06] <Dekans> fuhreal: in kcontrol
[13:07] <fuhreal> Dekans: looking ... but can't see it ...
[13:07] <fuhreal> Dekans: k found it. under system admin
[13:07] <flipstar> in the last tab somewhere
[13:07] <fuhreal> Dekans: ty
[13:08] <vbhide> hi!... some of my mp3's dont play on amarok, though they play on vlc.... they have a lock sign on their thumbnail in amarok, and amarok says that the file does not exist
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> DRM?
[13:09] <fuhreal> flipstar: ty too
[13:09] <flipstar> np
[13:10] <hola> i neded elp to configure my webacm....it seem s impossibile
[13:13] <Dekans> is there someone on ubuntu hardy up-to-date ?
[13:13] <Dekans> kubuntu*
[13:13] <fuhreal> hrmmm now KDM Theme manager won't install the new files from kde-look
[13:14] <jpatrick> Dekans: #ubunutu+1
[13:25] <kheops> hi
[13:25] <kheops> how to install a splash screen?
[13:26] <kheops> on kubuntu
[13:27] <nosrednaekim> !usplash
[13:27] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[13:29] <bnex10> hello
[13:30] <bnex10> umm, i have been trying to get vnc to work
[13:30] <bnex10> so i tried the kde desktop sharing again
[13:31] <bnex10> and it said that kded is not running
[13:32] <nosrednaekim> bnex10: start it in systemsettings->advanced->service manager
[13:33] <myth> is there a way to get my screen not so dark on my laptop? have tried xgamma its just not enough
[13:33] <bnex10> myth: it won't really let me run as root
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> myth: doesn't your laptop have some hot keys for screen brightness?
[13:35] <nosrednaekim> you need to increase the brightness of the backlight... increasing gamma will only make it washed-out
[13:39] <shadowbox> hey folks
[13:39] <shadowbox> I cant figure out why my sound isnt working
[13:40] <stefano> sorry to ask here, i have kde4 and i have two desktops at the same screen :O
[13:40] <nosrednaekim> !sound | shadowbox did you see this?
[13:40] <ubotu> shadowbox did you see this?: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[13:41] <shadowbox> cool thanks
[13:42] <nosrednaekim> shadowbox: and if you have a newer intel chipset....
[13:42] <nosrednaekim> !inHDA
[13:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inhda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:42] <nosrednaekim> !intelHDA
[13:42] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[13:45] <damdam> bonjour, je suis tout nouveau dans la communauté kubuntu, ce serait cool de me souhaiter la bienvenue
[13:45] <jpatrick> !fr | damdam
[13:45] <ubotu> damdam: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[13:54] <antonio_> salve atutti
[13:54] <ere4si> !it
[13:54] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[13:55] <antonio_> ok sorry
[13:55] <ere4si> don't be sorry :)
[13:57] <hydrogen> be english!
[13:57] <hydrogen> its a much better solution
[13:57] <hydrogen> :p
[13:57] <Kaevik> :O
[13:58] <shadowbox> I am being asked (to get my SC working) if I am using Hg Mercurial. How do I find out?
[13:59] <ubuntu> hello.. was wondering if its ok when installing kubuntu to set mount point /home that is mounted as /home on another distro?
[13:59] <flipstar> shadowbox: lspci|grep -i audio
[14:00] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: yes, thats the point of separate /homes :)
[14:00] <ubuntu> even if i chose the same user name as the other distro
[14:01] <vbhide> i tried to install limewire by doing :  kon
[14:01] <vbhide> sorry
[14:01] <hydrogen> that was your first mistake
[14:01] <vbhide> i tried to install limewire by doing sudo dpkg -i LimeWireLinux.deb
[14:02] <hydrogen> that was your second mistake
[14:02] <vbhide> and the error i get is this :
[14:02] <vbhide> Unpacking limewire-basic (from LimeWireLinux.deb) ...
[14:02] <vbhide> dpkg: error processing LimeWireLinux.deb (--install):
[14:02] <vbhide>  failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/LimeWire/LimeWire.jar': No space left on device
[14:02] <vbhide> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[14:02] <vbhide> Errors were encountered while processing:
[14:02] <vbhide>  LimeWireLinux.deb
[14:03] <sadik> slm
[14:03] <hydrogen> !tr
[14:03] <ubotu> Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[14:03] <hydrogen> I think!
[14:03] <hydrogen> If I'm wrong you can say thingies to me
[14:04] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: i chose not to install bootloader. How do I create an entry for kubuntu in the bootloader that i already have installed?
[14:07] <shadowbox> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller         (rev 02)
[14:08] <shadowbox> what does this tell me about hg Mercurial?
[14:08] <nick_> i not able to install flash player on my x64 :(
[14:08] <flipstar> shadowbox: i was SC means SoundCard..is this incorrect ?
[14:09] <shadowbox> I had same prob nick so I switched to 32 bit
[14:09] <shadowbox> yes, sc= sound card
[14:09] <nick_> 32bit is better ?
[14:09] <nick_> to play game and anything ?
[14:09] <shadowbox> well its easier to get everything working
[14:10] <nick_> o i c
[14:10] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: ubuntui'll give you a entry.. just a second, what partition is kubuntu on?
[14:10] <nosrednaekim> shadowbox: that is an Intel HDA
[14:10] <shadowbox> I actually have a quad core and I am STILL using 32 bit software
[14:10] <nosrednaekim> !intelHDA | shadowbox
[14:10] <ubotu> shadowbox: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[14:10] <shadowbox> I am already there
[14:11] <nosrednaekim> shadowbox: did you find the right method for your card?
[14:11] <nick_> me i have a q extreme 1066 mhz
[14:11] <shadowbox> they are missing a step or two (they take for granted they are not talking to a newbie
[14:11] <nick_> 12 meg in cache
[14:12] <shadowbox> what kind of m/b?
[14:12] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: hdb7
[14:12] <nick_> so i have to download 32 bit edition and is i386 right?
[14:12] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: alrighty
[14:12] <flipstar> nick_: correct
[14:13] <nick_> flipstar:  allright thanks
[14:13] <shadowbox> 12 meg cache is killer I'm running only 8mb
[14:13] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: and this is a fresh, un-updated installation of gutsy,7.10
[14:13] <shadowbox> and I cant imagine anything faster
[14:13] <nick_> flipstar:  dvd or cd ?
[14:14] <shadowbox> no you dont have to nick
[14:14] <flipstar> nick_: dvd includes live cd and an alternate installter, cd is only live cd or alternate installer
[14:14] <shadowbox> the people here can help you with the setup
[14:15] <nick_> flipstar:  so better to take dvd or live ?
[14:15] <shadowbox> BUT it is a little easier with the 32 bit version, and you really dont benifit with the 64 bit version (truthfully)
[14:15] <flipstar> nick_: depends on what you want..if you only want to install just take the alternate cd
[14:15] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: im in live cd right now... how can i tell?... sory im a newby
[14:16] <nick_> flipstar:  ok then livve cd look better to me
[14:16] <flipstar> nick_: if youre some advanced you could just set an 32bit chroot environment
[14:17] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: hrm, I forget what the default kernel was...
[14:17] <flipstar> 2.6.22 ..
[14:17] <nosrednaekim> -12 or -14?
[14:17] <ubuntu> i downloaded about 2.5 weeks ago
[14:18] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: the default ones hasn't chnaged in several months.
[14:18] <flipstar> wasnt there a trick with ubotu ?
[14:18] <nick_> flipstar:  im going well in 2 week of reinstall and try to install anything now im able to install a lot of thing but not anderstand all
[14:18] <nosrednaekim> !info linux-image-generic gutsy
[14:18] <ubotu> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.21 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[14:19] <nosrednaekim> doesn't say which one is ont he CD though, I'm betting on the -14 though
[14:19] <nick_> nosrednaekim:  better cd or dvd then
[14:19] <nick_> nosrednaekim:  i hate condole install
[14:19] <nosrednaekim> nick_: I'd do CD, but I have low bandwidth
[14:20] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: let me check
[14:20] <flipstar> nick_: then just choose live cd
[14:20] <nick_> nosrednaekim:  low bandwith ok but dvd have a better bandwith ?
[14:20] <nick_> flipstar:  ok thanks
[14:20] <nosrednaekim> nick_: it takes longer to get the DVD
[14:20] <nick_> nosrednaekim:  its why i not want to get it and 4 gig of more in my download rate
[14:21] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: 7.10: the Gutsy Gibbon Release
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: ok, run, from the command line "uname -a"
[14:21] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: in live cd mode
[14:21] <ubuntu> ?
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> yes
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> the kernel is the same
[14:23] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: ok... i did
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> output please?
[14:24] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: Linux ubuntu 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 23:05:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> ok, great, thanks
[14:24] <RayTracer> is there a package list of the kubuntu live cd somewhere? I want to know if kstars is included in the live cd.
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> RayTracer: its not :)
[14:25] <RayTracer> this is :(
[14:25] <bnex10> hmmmm
[14:25] <bnex10> kded is dead for some reason
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: add this to your /boot/grub/menu.lst on your other partition http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60539/
[14:27] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: ok.... can I do that from live cd mode?
[14:28] <bnex10> can anyone help me start kded again without rebooting?
[14:28] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: or do i need to boot into the other distro?
[14:28] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: yes, run "sudo mount /dev/otherpartition /mnt" then "kdesudo kate /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst"
[14:29]  * flipstar got a really ugly depency problem http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60542/
[14:30] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: remove that konqueror deb from your /var/cache/apt/archives... it seems to be bad
[14:31] <BluesKaj> flipstar, whynot just reinstall kubuntu-desktop ?
[14:31]  * bnex10 needs help with kded!!!
[14:31] <flipstar> BluesKaj: i already tried
[14:32] <flipstar> nosrednaekim: still the same ..
[14:32] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: it opened up in kate, but 2 errors in the console
[14:32] <bnex10> come on
[14:32] <bnex10> i need help with kded please
[14:32] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: thats ok, paste that at the ends
[14:32] <nosrednaekim> *end
[14:33] <flipstar> bnex10: you started the deamon ?
[14:33] <bnex10> it's supposed to be running
[14:33] <flipstar> just restart it and try again
[14:33] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: then close and save??
[14:33] <bnex10> it seems to be not running
[14:33] <hydester> hi.  i was thinking of upgrading my Laptop from Gutsy to Hardy Beta.  is this Beta more stable than Gutsy Beta was?
[14:33] <asdfe> help.... what does this mean? rsync: failed to set times on "/home/repo/kubuntu/.": Operation not permitted (1)
[14:33] <flipstar> bnex10: then start it
[14:34] <bnex10> by "kded" in terminal?
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: yes
[14:34] <flipstar> asdfe: means directory is not accesable to your user
[14:34] <flipstar> bnex10: just like you was told before
[14:34] <asdfe> flipstar: but i can write to it
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> hydester: depends on your hardware
[14:34] <flipstar> asdfe: then maybe the user rsync if it exists
[14:35] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: try manually installing that deb with dpkg
[14:36] <flipstar> i still get "dpkg: errorprocessing /var/cache/apt/archives/konqueror_4%3a3.5.9-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/media_safelyremove.desktop', which is also in package kio-umountwrapper"
[14:36] <hydester> nosrednaekim, so it is better to wait until the release at the end of April?
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: ah.. now thats more useful :)
[14:36] <asdfe> thanks flipstar
[14:37] <nosrednaekim> hydester: if you are not experienced with apt.... debugging, etc, it certainly is
[14:37] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim: i think the root and kernel lines may be jumbled compared to the other entries???
[14:37] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: well, it boots for me, so its fine :)
[14:38] <ubuntu> ok
[14:38] <ubuntu> ill give it a shot
[14:38] <ubuntu> brb
[14:38] <nosrednaekim> ok
[14:40] <bnex10> well i need a vncserver that have a specific vnc encoding and can view an already existing display :0
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: try removing that file with "sudo rm /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/media_safelyremove.desktop"
[14:41] <flipstar> nosrednaekim: i already did :( but seems to be a bug since it is mentioned in launchpad
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> ah
[14:42] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: force it in...
[14:42] <flipstar> how..
[14:43] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: dpkg -i --force-all debname.deb
[14:43] <dibonaventura> !it
[14:43] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[14:44] <dibonaventura> ciao a tutti
[14:45] <flipstar> nosrednaekim: thanks you very much :=)
[14:45] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: that fixed it?
[14:45] <flipstar> yes
[14:46] <nosrednaekim> great.... that is a very useful command (but dangerous too)
[14:46] <flipstar> i'll remember this :)
[14:49] <coggz> need help with dolphin, how do i add an action the the context menu?
[14:51] <yakuzi> ok i've a very strange problem: i can't change my wallpaper with the graphical desktop-tool. What i can is place an image on my desktop and then set it as background by righclicking it, but not from some folder or something
[14:51] <nosrednaekim> ).o
[14:52] <coggz> nosrednaekim: any ideas?
[14:52] <nosrednaekim> coggz: no, I only know how to do it for konqueror
[14:53] <coggz> hmm, how, it might be similar
[14:53] <nosrednaekim> you add it to a file in /etc/apps/kde/konqueror I think
[14:54] <nosrednaekim> nope, thats not it
[14:54] <arvind_> i m confused whether 2 go for gnome or kde
[14:54] <bnex10> KDE
[14:54] <coggz> kde
[14:54] <bnex10> arvind: get kde
[14:54] <bnex10> i tried gnome before
[14:54] <nosrednaekim> coggz: /usr/share/apps/dolphin/servicemenus/
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> coggz: add appropriate .desktop files to that DIR
[14:55] <coggz> cool,
[14:56] <arvind_> any specific reason
[14:56] <nosrednaekim> arvind_: GNOME feels, to me, like it was made for idiots
[14:57] <arvind_> as quoted by torvalds!!!
[14:57] <william_> i am having flassh issues
[14:57] <arvind_> why?
[14:57] <bnex10> arvind_: well kde is a lot better made than gnome
[14:57] <pagan0ne> hey, anyone have problems installing the 8.04 beta cd w/ kde 4.0? whenever i try it hangs while trying to set the time
[14:58] <nosrednaekim> william_: such as?
[14:58] <william_> i have nonfree/restricted enabled and i have reinstalled them as well as flash in synaptic but i still cannot view videos in ff
[14:58] <flipstar> pagan0ne: 8.04 in #ubuntu+1
[14:58] <william_> it says i don't have the latest version so i enabled backports
[14:59] <william_> gnash locks up the system (possibly because i actually have 2 flash pluins?)
[14:59] <william_> so i completely got rid of gnash and want to just try straight adobe flash
[15:00] <yakuzi> what i've got so far with my wallpaper problem: it doesn't listen to changes in kdesu kcontrol, system settings desktop, right-click configure desktop
[15:00] <ctw> william_: did that work? I'm having similar issues ...
[15:00] <coggz> hmm, it hasnt worked nosrednaekim
[15:00] <lopov> hey guys, im having issues upgrading from dapper to hardy... ive tried both steps of upgrading but to no avail it wont let me upgrade ie upgrading from cd and ive tried using adept :(
[15:00] <william_> ctw, nothing has worked.  that is why i'm here ;)
[15:00] <yakuzi> what does work: right-click on an image and select set as background
[15:00] <ctw> william_: ahh
[15:00] <nosrednaekim> william_: did you try installing flashplugin-nonfree?
[15:00] <flipstar> lopov:  8.04 in #ubuntu+1
[15:01] <ctw> For me Flash works in Firefox, but not in Konqueror
[15:01] <ctw> No idea why
[15:01] <bnex11> flash won't install in firefox
[15:01] <ctw> Would appreciate any suggestions
[15:01] <william_> yes.  i used to have regular flash but i have updates auto install and perhaps something broke it?
[15:01] <lopov> flipstar, isnt this for kubuntu??? hence the channel name?
[15:02] <bnex11> hardy is getting released soon?
[15:02] <flipstar> its both in this chan btw its still beta
[15:02] <flipstar> ca one month
[15:02] <bnex11> cool
[15:02] <flipstar> this= #ubuntu+1
[15:02] <ctw> lopov: ubuntu+1 is for hardy, this one is for the current released version
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: not so......
[15:03] <lopov> ctw, ok kewl thnx
[15:03] <ubuntu> when installing kubuntu wht partition type should the swap be?
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: swap
[15:03] <flipstar> nosrednaekim: there is a kde channel for hardy ?
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> :)
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: no... they do it all in #ubuntu+1
[15:03] <yakuzi> anyone knows something about wallpaper problems?
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> kde/GNOME/kde4
[15:03] <ctw> flipstar: there is a #kubuntu-kde4 channel
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> yakuzi: no, your's sounds pretty exotic... sorry
[15:04] <william_> yay@the relese of hardy.  every six months a newer hotter version of ubuntu comes along and gives me a new reason to party
[15:04] <ctw> flipstar: but it's not hardy specific
[15:04] <ubuntu> when installing kubuntu wht partition type should the swap be?
[15:04] <william_> swap should be swap partion
[15:04] <coggz> swap
[15:04] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: swap... as I said before
[15:04] <ctw> ubuntu: like somebody said above, swap!
[15:04] <ubuntu> im sorry
[15:04] <ubuntu> i meant extended?
[15:04] <ubuntu> or primary?
[15:04] <william_> ext3
[15:05] <flipstar> ubuntu the root partition should be primary
[15:05] <william_> (i mean is there any real reason not to use ext3?)
[15:05] <ubuntu> the rest should be exptended?
[15:05] <ubuntu> exptended*
[15:05] <ubuntu> its official i cant type -_-
[15:05] <bnex11> my partition setup:
[15:05] <bnex11> hold on let me get a list
[15:06] <flipstar> i just set everything to primary dont now it this is bad
[15:06] <william_> nope thats fine flipster
[15:06] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: it can be either.... extended partitions are only used if you have more than 4 partitions on the disc
[15:07] <bnex11>  /dev/sdb1 14.0GB / ext3
[15:07] <bnex11>  /dev/sdb2 1.0 Kb proc
[15:07] <bnex11>  /dev/sdb5 957.0Mb none swap
[15:07] <ubuntu> ok so how big should the home partition be?
[15:08] <ubuntu> will 5gb do?
[15:08] <bnex11> more than 15 gigs
[15:08] <bnex11> -_-
[15:08] <ctw> ubuntu: 5 GB for swap is more than enough
[15:08] <bnex11> if you have a lot of files
[15:08] <bnex11> yes
[15:08] <yakuzi> !wallpaper
[15:08] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[15:08] <flipstar> ctw: 5gig for swap...?!?
[15:08] <ubuntu> not for swap, the home partition
[15:08] <bnex11> i got 1GB swap
[15:08] <bnex11> :D
[15:08] <ctw> flipstar: oops, sorry, misread
[15:08] <ctw> ubuntu: ok, sorry
[15:08] <bnex11> Sysinfo for 'brant-desktop': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: PentiumIII(Coppermine) at 548 MHz (1097 bogomips), , RAM: 119/122MB, 106 proc's, 1.16d up
[15:09] <bnex11> old pc
[15:09] <ubuntu> so 5gb for home isnt good enough?
[15:09] <bnex11> no
[15:09] <ctw> ubuntu: it depends on what kind of data you have, but it seems small
[15:09] <bnex11> not if you want to resize it in the future
[15:09] <bnex11> and i don't have enough room to make a complete backup of everything
[15:10] <ubuntu> i just use on this pc for one thing, the child games
[15:10] <ubuntu> cause i have a bab
[15:10] <ubuntu> baby
[15:10] <ubuntu> and he loves to play those games
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: it might be enough then
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: you don't need a separate /home
[15:10] <bnex11> 15GB is not enough for me
[15:10] <ubuntu> i thought so too cause this pc doesnt get used for anyhting else
[15:11] <ubuntu> the little bugger loves his video games
[15:11] <ubuntu> XD
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> :)
[15:15] <ernesto> :)
[15:15] <bnex10> > bnex10@<removed>:~$ tightvncserver :0
[15:15] <bnex10> > Warning: brant-desktop:0 is taken because of /tmp/.X0-lock
[15:15] <bnex10> > Remove this file if there is no X server brant-desktop:0
[15:15] <bnex10> > A VNC server is already running as :0
[15:15] <nosrednaekim> try :1
[15:15] <bnex10> i don't want a new display
[15:17] <jeremy_> hey
[15:18] <aimee> nosrednaekim: This is the person you helped earlier with the bootloader.
[15:19] <nosrednaekim> aimee: did it work?
[15:19] <aimee> not as planned
[15:19] <nosrednaekim> wouldn't boot?
[15:20] <aimee> nosrednaekim: when i installed kubuntu i chose the same user name as the user i have on the other distro. Now when i log in to the other distro it says i cant access the /home/vinnie
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> but kubuntu does work?
[15:21] <nosrednaekim> and all your files are there?
[15:21] <aimee> no... my monitor displays a big red warning ...out of range, something wrather. and just stops
[15:22] <nosrednaekim> aimee: ouch.... on pclinuxos, can you login as root?
[15:22] <aimee> im not sure how?
[15:22] <lopov> anyone know why i missing the command adept_manager?
[15:22] <nosrednaekim> aimee: enter "root" in the login manager and then put in your root (admin) password
[15:22] <aimee> i can give it a shot
[15:23] <aimee> what do once im logged in
[15:23] <nosrednaekim> aimee: popup konversation or xchat or whatever pclinux os uses and we will see
[15:25] <aimee> wont this chanel ban be for joining as root?
[15:25] <Ashex> I'm currently rebuilding my machine remotely
[15:26] <Ashex> running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for some reason is only configuring keyboard
[15:26] <flipstar> aimee: you dont have to run xchat as root..just login as root in a shell as far as i understand
[15:26] <nosrednaekim> aimee: no, it won't
[15:26] <Ashex> whats the switch to reconfigure video driver and res?
[15:26] <aimee> so i can stay as aimee and open terminal and su to root
[15:26] <flipstar> aimee: oh wait..he said login as root..sorry
[15:27] <nosrednaekim> Ashex: keep going through the dialog, it will get to the monitor part
[15:27] <Ashex> nosrednaekim: I'm saying it ends after that
[15:27] <nosrednaekim> aimee: wait, what are you logged into now?
[15:27] <nosrednaekim> Ashex: it didn't ask you ANY questions about your monitor?
[15:27] <aimee> this is my wifes account on pclos. mine is /home/vinnie
[15:27] <Ashex> nosrednaekim: none, just goes through keyboard settings and exists
[15:27] <Ashex> exits*
[15:28] <nosrednaekim> aimee: ah ok... then thats good enough, no need to log in
[15:28] <nosrednaekim> as root
[15:28] <nosrednaekim> Ashex: wow.... try with -phigh
[15:28] <Ashex> I'm running the hardy beta on a side note
[15:28] <bnex10> tightvnc seems to work
[15:28] <bnex10> but why do i get gnome terminal?
[15:28] <Ashex> hm
[15:28] <nosrednaekim> Ashex: oh.. thats explains it XD.... go to #ubuntu+1
[15:28] <Ashex> ah
[15:28] <Ashex> heh, I suspected they changed things up
[15:28] <Ashex> thanks
[15:28] <nosrednaekim> Ashex: dpkg-reoncifgure xserver-xorg doesn't work in hardy
[15:29] <nosrednaekim> the new X server and all
[15:29] <Ashex> oh lame
[15:29] <nosrednaekim> aimee: go into su
[15:29] <aimee> nosrednaekim: terminal?
[15:29] <nosrednaekim> aimee: then see if all your files are still in /home/vinnie
[15:29] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[15:30] <aimee> nosrednaekim: i browsed them in konqueror and they are still there
[15:30] <lopov> well well wouldnt you know that you need update-manager to perform dist upgrages...thanks for the hand ball flipstar :D
[15:32] <nosrednaekim> aimee: thats good....now, run, as root "chown -R vinnie.users /home/vinnie"
[15:33] <nosrednaekim> aimee: was vinnie the second user on this computer?
[15:33] <aimee> nosrednaekim: first
[15:33] <aimee> nosrednaekim: i ran chown -R vinnie.users /home/vinnie
[15:34] <aimee> nosrednaekim: vinnie is the first user
[15:34] <nosrednaekim> pl
[15:34] <nosrednaekim> ok
[15:34] <aimee> nosrednaekim: pl??
[15:34] <flipstar> right next to ok :)
[15:35] <nosrednaekim> XD
[15:35] <aimee> nosrednaekim: huh?? what am i supose to be doing?
[15:35] <nosrednaekim> aimee: run this command: "cat /etc/group | grep vinnie:"
[15:36] <nosrednaekim> aimee: look at where pl and ok are on the keyboard
[15:36]  * bnex10 is away: Gone away for now.
[15:37] <aimee> nosrednaekim: i ran the command "cat /etc/group | grep vinnie:" now whats this about pl and ok ???
[15:37] <ASCE> what is the kubuntu equivilent of ctrl+alt+del?
[15:37] <nosrednaekim> aimee: what was the outpu of that command?
[15:37] <coggz> when making a sevice menu, is %u the file name variable?
[15:38] <aimee> nosrednaekim: x:501:
[15:38] <nosrednaekim> aimee: if you have a standard US keybaord, look at where the letters p and l are in relation to o and k... it was a typo;)
[15:39] <aimee> nosrednaekim: lol... oic
[15:39] <nosrednaekim> aimee: I see your problem, ok... and we should have just fixed it.
[15:39] <nosrednaekim> aimee: log out and then back in as yourself(or just switch users)
[15:39] <aimee> ok... brb
[15:41] <simi> hi, i had used ubuntu and now i install kubuntu to try it.  Thanx so much
[15:41] <ubotu> simi it is explained here: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[15:41] <Ashex> well
[15:41] <Ashex> looks like nobody knows the answer
[15:42] <nosrednaekim> simi: you can use ccsm
[15:42] <Ashex> !xorg > me
[15:42] <Al-Maisan> Hello there!
[15:42] <Al-Maisan> Just installed kubuntu 8.04 beta
[15:42] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: not sure how thats going to work with ubuntu....
[15:42] <Al-Maisan> on a dell d630
[15:42] <nosrednaekim> !hardy | Al-Maisan
[15:42] <ubotu> Al-Maisan: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[15:42] <sigma_1234> where is the kontact data files stored?
[15:43] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: thats ok... it was just installed 45 minutes ago.. i can give it another shot
[15:43] <Al-Maisan> I am having trouble using the intel-4965 WLAN in my laptop
[15:43] <Ashex> sigma_1234: ~/.kde/share/apps/
[15:43] <Ashex> something like that
[15:43] <Al-Maisan> with my WPA protected WLAN at home
[15:43] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: so... i take it I shouldnt choose the same user names as on other distros??
[15:44] <Al-Maisan> intel-4965 WLAN with WPA-PSK anybody?
[15:44] <flipstar> !wpa | Al-Maisan see this here
[15:44] <ubotu> Al-Maisan see this here: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[15:45] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: you can.... but they need to have same user ID's.... ubuntu uses "1000" for the first user, and pclinuxos uses "501" apparently, that causes issues
[15:45] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: so, no way of overcoming that?
[15:46] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: hopefully thats what we just did
[15:46] <nosrednaekim> but if not, we just change your ID in PCLINUXOS to 1000
[15:46] <vinnie_> so... if i can fix the boot problem in kubuntu, it should work??
[15:47] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: yes... not what was that problem exactly?
[15:47] <nosrednaekim> *now
[15:49] <vinnie_> ive tried kubuntu before and the same issue. just before getting to the login or desktop my monitor turns black and a red warning pops on the screen saying display out of range... max 1024x768 something wrather and just hangs
[15:49] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: I see, ok, lets chroot in from pclinuxos
[15:49] <vinnie_> ok
[15:50] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: run "mount /dev/hdb7 /mnt"
[15:50] <nosrednaekim> then "chroot /mnt
[15:50] <nosrednaekim> then "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[15:50] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: do i need to "su" to root first?
[15:52] <sigma> for some reason i can never delete the last contact in my Contacts list in Kontact, why is this? Where is the contacts data stored?
[15:52] <nosrednaekim> yes
[15:52] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: im ther
[15:52] <vinnie_> there*
[15:52] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: where?
[15:53] <LimCore> is there a good way to propose a new package for ubuntu?
[15:53] <vinnie_> root@localhost:/#
[15:53] <LimCore> in example, a small tool that will fix security for some people, by warning before starting sshd and so on. or warning about weak passwords in general
[15:54] <savetheWorld> LimCore: UNIX philosophy is to be as quiet as possible.  How would you prevent the tool from issuing the warning when the password wasn't weak?
[15:54] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: I am so sorry.... can i get back with you on this problem some other time?? I have to go feed my son
[15:54] <nosrednaekim> LimCore: too late for hardy, but talk to #ubuntu-motu
[15:55] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: ok, run those commands I put in above
[15:55] <nosrednaekim>  <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: run "mount /dev/hdb7 /mnt"
[15:55] <nosrednaekim> [11:50] <nosrednaekim> then "chroot /mnt
[15:55] <nosrednaekim> [11:50] <nosrednaekim> then "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[15:55] <vinnie_> i did
[15:56] <LimCore> savetheWorld: people can have different philosophy, if I would setup a computer for not educated user, I would like to prevent him from accidental doing some things. Then I would install in example restrict-no-servers that would conflict with installation of openssh-server ; and will depend on restrict-simple-firewall (drops all incomming)
[15:57] <vinnie_> nosrednaekim: ok... im in some kinda package configuration screen
[15:57] <flipstar> LimCore: why dont you just dont give him any rights (such as installing anything)
[15:58] <flipstar> so he can go to the sysadmin if he needs anything
[15:58] <LimCore> flipstar: because he may want to install new programs
[15:58] <savetheWorld> LimCore: the warning should only be issued if it is certain that the problem exists.
[15:58] <nosrednaekim> vinnie_: actually, I thought of a better idea sorry....quit that....
[15:58] <nosrednaekim> lets just copy over your PClinuxOS xorg.conf
[15:59] <savetheWorld> LimCore: so- a weak password warning should only be issued when the password is being set, and in fact PAM allows you to set password requirements, such as length, dictionary entry, required types of chars etc..
[15:59] <LimCore> savetheWorld: task is following: user should not ever start any servers (esp. open to world/lan), but on the other hand he should be able to do stuff like install normal programs, i.e. games, from repos
[15:59] <flipstar> LimCore: as soon as they have to right to install they can do anything..install ftp servers or so
[16:00] <LimCore> flipstar: yes, or they can get a hammer and smash the PC - the point is to warn before doing some dengerous actions by accident
[16:00] <LimCore> savetheWorld: how to enable that?
[16:01] <flipstar> i think it was libpam-cracklib