[01:25] <trey3> synan, most packages in Ubuntu depend either 'ubuntu-base' or 'ubuntu-desktop' ... done so the devels can better guide users along upgrades etc...
[01:25] <trey3> synan, its perfectly ok to say yes to these removals... just be aware that future upgrades may not go as smooth...
[01:27] <synan> hm.. so it wont actually remove gnome whenb removing openoffice? =)
[01:28] <trey3> synan, it shouldn't? hah... haven't tried... are gnome components specifically listed?
[01:28] <synan> well, that wasnt exactly the case, but i was just making an exapmle..
[01:30] <trey3> synan, ahhh... yeah... generally its safe...
[01:31] <synan> trey3, thx!
[01:31] <DonLemmi> trey3 / MainVoid : Thx, i added the module and now it works :) thx alot
[01:32] <trey3> synan, DonLemmi, you're welcome  8)
[01:33] <R4lph> Hello, does somebody know what is the name of icon set in fc3 for Gnome? I wanted to use it in Ubuntu =]
[01:33] <trey3> R4lph, pretty sure the icons are patented to Red Hat?
[01:33] <synan> im an old slack user, and i am currently trzing out ubuntu and am liking it very much.. it installed under 15mins on my computer which is cool.. just have to get some xfce debs.. =)
[01:34] <R4lph> trey3: patented?
[01:34] <trey3> R4lph, uhh... yeah... they pretty much taught Bluecurve as their desktop... and as such protect it from others...
[01:35] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: u r welcome...
[01:35] <trey3> R4lph, 'lighthouse-blue' is technically bluecurve... although I've never actually gotten it to work  :/
[01:35] <R4lph> trey3: so i cant use it?
[01:36] <trey3> R4lph, uhh 'gtk2-engines-lighthouse-blue' I think
[01:37] <trey3> R4lph, nope... enless you go get 'redhat-artwork' from Fedora... and use alien on that, and install the resulting .deb maybe  :/
[01:38] <trey3> R4lph, not sure how legal that is though  :/
[01:38] <macewan> works like a charm tho
[01:38] <macewan> ;)
[01:39] <R4lph> trey3: So pity :/
[01:39] <trey3> R4lph, technically, if you already installed Fedora... you have permission I guess  8)
[01:39] <da_bon_bon> hey, i downloaded a distro, and the image was corrupted. how do i repair it ?
[01:40] <trey3> R4lph, a supprising amount of us are  :)
[01:40] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: how did u dl it originally? http, ftp, rsync, jigdo, torrent?
[01:41] <R4lph> trey3: =]
[01:41] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: a friend did it. i think it was ftp or http.
[01:41] <trey3> MainVoid, a burned image is currupted? or just the downloaded file?  maybe I'm mistaken...
[01:41] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: I'd dl it again myself...
[01:42] <trey3> MainVoid, seems logical enough huh  ;)
[01:42] <synan> hey, do debian "specific" debs work on ubuntu or is the system somewhat different_
[01:42] <da_bon_bon> trey3: the burnt image, was burnt to a cd. i booted off it and realized its corrupt.
[01:42] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: cant redownload
[01:42] <kbrooks> synan, don't use those. they could break your system.
[01:42] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: in that case, I have a feeling u r in trouble... unless u can get someone to send u a new cd..
[01:42] <trey3> synan, generally they will work... sid and hoary or testing and warty don't line up 100% though... and the latter are getting more and more seperate...
[01:43] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon, why cant u redownload
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> no one sent it. my friend downloaded and gave it .
[01:43] <kbrooks> oh. ok
[01:43] <trey3> synan, afaik, there hasn't been an hoary freeze yet though, so they should be quite simular...
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> kbrooks: bad conectivity
[01:43] <kbrooks> i get you now
[01:43] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: same principle, different method..
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: no. first, i didnt beg.
[01:44] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: in essence, u need to get a new CD, somehow..
[01:44] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon, what do you mean?
[01:44] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: not sure I understand what u mean there...
[01:44] <synan> trey3, i havent gotten the time yet to take a look, but does ubuntu offer deb d/l for things that arent on the main install cd?
[01:44] <trey3> da_bon_bon, I take it its not Ubuntu? else I'd just tell you to order via ShipIt  :/
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: the difference b/w sending and getting from a frnd is that i have to beg for someone to send a cd. ;)
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> trey3: not ubuntu
[01:45] <trey3> synan, yes... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view  <-- for a full explaination...
[01:45] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: ah, u mean "ask".. ;) begging is something I try to avoid.. ;)
[01:45] <trey3> synan, only 'main' and 'restricted' are enabled by default
[01:45] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: tho, u may have to ask someone this time around.. ;)
[01:46] <da_bon_bon> same here
[01:46] <Erdos_> ciao ragazzi, ho appena installato ubuntu ma ho un problemino sicuramente stupido
[01:46] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: where do u live, and what distro was it?
[01:46] <Erdos_> che password di root devo mettere ? ho visto che root  disabilitato ....
[01:46] <Erdos_> help
[01:46] <Erdos_> which is root password
[01:46] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: india. promepis b4
[01:46] <Erdos_> ?
[01:46] <no0tic> Erdos_: vieni su #ubuntu-it
[01:46] <synan> ah, the universe thing.. i read the docs b4 install, but fast and non remembering..
[01:46] <kbrooks> Erdos_, user password
[01:47] <no0tic> Erdos_: root doesn't exist in ubuntu
[01:47] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: never heard of promepis myself..
[01:47] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: any particular reason for that distro?
[01:47] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: i like it. simple, powerful, manyyy apps. by default.
[01:48] <scoon> anyone having any problems with metacity ?
[01:48] <kbrooks> scoon, ask.
[01:48] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: do they have any servcie where u can order CD's from them, perhaps?
[01:48] <trey3> scoon, define 'problem'...
[01:48] <scoon> problems like when you click on the menubar all of the windows on all desktops flash
[01:48] <scoon> kbrooks
[01:48] <scoon> i am
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: it costs money. and i am low on it - a 16 yr old cant have enough pocket money.
[01:48] <kbrooks> scoon, you weren't.
[01:49] <scoon> kbrooks, certainly was.
[01:49] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: lol, I remember those days..... *sigh* looong time ago...
[01:49] <kbrooks> scoon, you were not asking a *real question*
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: why are u 90 now. ;) no offense meant joking.
[01:49] <synan> trey3, thx for your time!
[01:49] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: not sure if ubuntu still do their Free CD shipping (anyone?)
[01:49] <synan> bye all!
[01:49] <trey3> kbrooks, shush... he just used enter instead of grammar  ;)
[01:49] <scoon> oh, i always forget about the "question police" ?
[01:50] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: nah, just twice ur age so far.. ;)
[01:50] <scoon> thanks kbrooks for keeping me on my toes :)
[01:50] <kbrooks> MainVoid, they do.
[01:50] <kbrooks> scoon, i had to <g>
[01:50] <scoon> so back to metacity window flashing.
[01:50] <scoon> anyone notice it.
[01:50] <scoon> don't be a hero kbrooks.
[01:50] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: so u can then possibly get a ubuntu cd set sent to u for free...
[01:50] <scoon> ;)
[01:50] <trey3> scoon, I've not seen that... then I haven't restarted metacity since last upgrade...
[01:51] <MainVoid> scoon: what refresh rate do u use? could that be it?
[01:51] <scoon> trey3, i just apt'd version 2.9.5
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: i dont like ubuntu much. have the cds.
[01:52] <trey3> scoon, same here...
[01:52] <scoon> MainVoid, i don't think so.  I have been hoary for over a month w/ no problems.  I just upg'd metacity and it is flashing all over the place.
[01:52] <trey3> scoon, still don't see it  *shrug*
[01:52] <Cam-> how can i get the engage dock?
[01:52] <Cam-> ;)
[01:52] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: not sure what to tell u then.. apart from contacting a LUG and ask if there is someone near u that could help..
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: hmm.. i know how to repair using BT but no torrents too. :((
[01:54] <MainVoid> scoon: no idea then, sorry.. I'm still on warty.. just installed 2 days ago. ;)
[01:54] <kbrooks> i think i'm gonna order 2 ubuntu cds (those cds that have a box) and sell them to anyone on irc (for free).
[01:55] <MainVoid> kbrooks: give, not sell.. ;)
[01:55] <kbrooks> but not this week....i'll order the 2 cds wednesday or thursday and then give them this weekend
[01:55] <trey3> Who was it with metacity issue?
[01:55] <scoon> trey3,  me
[01:56] <scoon> trey3, how is it working for you ?
[01:56] <trey3> scoon, yeah... clicking titlebar makes it spaz...
[01:56] <scoon> trey3, thanks.
[01:56] <MainVoid> kbrooks: first come first serve, or something with a twist to it? like a compo?
[01:56] <trey3> scoon, if you want... post bug report here, and I will confirm...
[01:57] <trey3> scoon, ps.... thats really freaking annoying damnit  >.<
[01:57] <scoon> trey3, i am going to setup xfce and then search out bugzilla.
[01:57] <scoon> trey3, if there is nothing posted i will put up a bug and let you know.
[01:57] <scoon> trey3, thanks for checking.
[01:57] <trey3> scoon, grrr... you're using betaware... you should have known such things would happen...
[01:58] <Cam-> has anyone here compiled engage!?
[01:58] <scoon> trey3, i do know things like this will happen.  no biggie.
[01:58] <kbrooks> MainVoid, first com e first serve
[01:58] <trey3> scoon, going and installing something else because of one bug is kinda ludacris
[01:58] <scoon> trey3, i keep a local copy of xfce for just the occasion.
[01:59] <scoon> trey3, when i need to get things done, spazing window managers is not helping w/ that.
[01:59] <MainVoid> trey3: does ubuntu have a tinderbox?
[02:02] <R4lph> Someone tried 3ddesktop ?
[02:02] <R4lph> I dont know how to run it
[02:02] <MainVoid> trey3: oh, btw, it is possible to turn of away notifications in X-Chat (I think anyway.. ;) )
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> how do i create exact ISO images of cds in lin ?
[02:04] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: try out xcdroast, as for one example...
[02:04] <hypn0> da_bon_bon: nautilus?
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> hypn0: CLI ?
[02:06] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: cdrecord ?
[02:06] <da_bon_bon> ok..
[02:07] <bzbb> dd
[02:07] <MainVoid> bzbb: lol
[02:07] <MainVoid> bzbb: good old dd, does it all.. :)
[02:08] <trey3> MainVoid, what is a tinderbox?  :(
[02:08] <trey3> sorry... was reporting bug  :o
[02:08] <bzbb> except my homework
[02:08] <MainVoid> trey3: a bunch of boxes that keep on building packages from CVS..
[02:09] <MainVoid> trey3: when they fail, it will show up on a central monitoring system as a red mark..
[02:09] <MainVoid> trey3: when that happens, it is said that the "tree is on fire"...
[02:09] <trey3> MainVoid, not sure actually... I know there are build boxes... but other than that...
[02:09] <MainVoid> trey3: it helps in finding packages that has build issues...
[02:10] <MainVoid> doesn't find all ur possible s/w issues, but helps finding some at least...
[02:10] <trey3> MainVoid, would be more enlightening to ask a devel  ;)
[02:11] <MainVoid> trey3: example: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi
[02:11] <MainVoid> trey3: ;) if I knew one I would.. ;)
[02:13] <Skid> hi folks, anyone recommend a decent x newsreader?
[02:13] <Skid> (supporting binaries too)
[02:13] <Ribs> Pan
[02:14] <Skid> ah, brillaint that's just what I've been looking for
[02:16] <trey3> seb128, you around? might be easier to inform me on backtracing here?   ;)
[02:17] <William_Cain> Hello.
[02:17] <William_Cain> I have noticed this strange bug in my boot manager.
[02:18] <William_Cain> Every time I boot, there is one more instance of Ubuntu in the boot list.
[02:18] <seb128> trey3: yep
[02:18] <trey3> William_Cain, did you install a new kernel? does it say "rescue mode"?
[02:18] <trey3> seb128, cool... I filled the Metacity bug... what info you need about it?
[02:18] <William_Cain> It says both normal- and rescue mode.
[02:19] <seb128> trey3: what is asked in the bug ...
[02:19] <trey3> seb128, it was confirmed by scoon... (actually I confirmed it for him) ...
[02:19] <seb128> trey3: ps ax | grep metacity, note the pid and sudo gdb -p <pid>
[02:19] <MainVoid> William_Cain: that is by design..
[02:20] <William_Cain> Why? My boot list will be very big.
[02:20] <MainVoid> William_Cain: why should it be very bug?
[02:20] <trey3> seb128, hmm... two entries...  metacity --sm-save-file<PHONE_NUMBER>-975-937855816.ms  states "Ss"... never seen that?
[02:20] <MainVoid> s/bug/big/
[02:20] <William_Cain> Now I have:
[02:20] <William_Cain> Normal Ubuntu boot
[02:20] <William_Cain> Safe Ubuntu boot
[02:20] <William_Cain> Normal Ubuntu boot
[02:20] <William_Cain> Safe Ubuntu boot
[02:20] <William_Cain> Normal Ubuntu boot
[02:20] <William_Cain> Safe Ubuntu boot
[02:20] <William_Cain> And even more.
[02:20] <William_Cain> I get one more each time I boot.
[02:21] <MainVoid> William_Cain: so, u have installed a number of various kernels?
[02:21] <seb128> trey3: ?
[02:21] <William_Cain> I haven't done anything with my kernels.
[02:21] <seb128> trey3: you have one line for metacity ...
[02:21] <MainVoid> William_Cain: odd... never seen that before.. u r using grub or lilo?
[02:21] <William_Cain> GRUB, I reckon.
[02:22] <William_Cain> The one that comes with Ubuntu 4.1
[02:22] <IMAlbert> Thank you for your help, but
[02:22] <IMAlbert> I'll talk with you later.
[02:23] <MainVoid> William_Cain: I'd recommend u to create a bug report for that one...
[02:23] <William_Cain> Ok.
[02:23] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: talk to who?
[02:23] <William_Cain> Because my boot manager will be crowded very soon.
[02:23] <MainVoid> William_Cain: sorry, but I have no idea what that would happen, it shouldn't...
[02:23] <IMAlbert> All who are here and have helped me.
[02:23] <William_Cain> Hmm, no it's not easy, I know.
[02:24] <MainVoid> William_Cain: can u check if u have a lot of entries in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[02:24] <William_Cain> Ok, I will.
[02:24] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: Ah, thought u meant someone specific.. ;)
[02:24] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: have a food one! catch u l8r!
[02:24] <MainVoid> William_Cain: in that file grub specifies what choises u have when booting u c...
[02:25] <William_Cain> Hmm, yes, it lists various kernel versions.
[02:25] <William_Cain> However, I haven't fiddled with them.
[02:25] <William_Cain> May they have been automatically installed while I've been updating everything?
[02:25] <MainVoid> William_Cain: do u also have the corresponding kernels in /boot?
[02:26] <William_Cain> Seems like it.
[02:26] <jkroon81> Anyone know if Mono will be included in the next release of Ubuntu?
[02:26] <MainVoid> William_Cain: they could have been, I just installed ubuntu the other day myself, so am not sure, but the possibility is there..
[02:26] <William_Cain> Should I delete the others but the newest one?
[02:27] <MainVoid> William_Cain: yes, but by using apt or synaptic to do so, just to do it cleanly..
[02:27] <William_Cain> What's the difference between version: <IP_ADDRESS>-4-386 and <IP_ADDRESS>-4-686?
[02:29] <MainVoid> William_Cain: *-386 is the bog standard kernel, whereas *-686 is optimised for PentiumII and up processors...
[02:29] <William_Cain> Ok, that's not good since I use an AMD XP2400+ CPU.
[02:29] <DonLemmi> Hi, i have another question. Normally wirh Xfree, one leaves out the lines for the refresh rates on the XF86-Config and then the Monitor is probed. But if i comment out these lines with ubuntu, my Xsessions starts at 60 Hz with 640x480. Anyone can tell me why?
[02:29] <William_Cain> Should I use one of the AMD kernels?
[02:29] <William_Cain> They're for AMD K7.
[02:29] <MainVoid> William_Cain: Ah, u'd still have gains, but best gains then is to use a *-k7 kernel...
[02:30] <William_Cain> Ok, I'll do that.
[02:30] <William_Cain> Should I uninstall all kernels but the one I'd want to keep?
[02:30] <MainVoid> William_Cain: that should take care of those headaches for you...
[02:30] <MainVoid> William_Cain: yes..
[02:31] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: and X probes ur monitor and properly gets the EDID?
[02:31] <William_Cain> Ok, thanks a lot.
[02:31] <MainVoid> William_Cain: no probbs..
[02:31] <William_Cain> Just one more question.
[02:31] <DonLemmi> MainVoid: whats EDID?
[02:32] <William_Cain> There's something called Hotplug that fails to load during boot.   Should I change to this Linux?
[02:33] <superted> schnide: yes you should
[02:33] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: EDID is the data probed from the monitor that contains the monitors spec's..
[02:33] <William_Cain> schnide: Ubuntu is very easy to install, and works perfectly for people switching from Windows to Linux.
[02:33] <MainVoid> schnide: anything is better then windblows..
[02:34] <schnide> Sounds good!  What's the driver support like?  Will I probably be able to find drivers for my graphics card, wireless LAN equipment..?
[02:34] <William_Cain> Heh, I still have Windows on my computer. I like it.
[02:34] <William_Cain> *raises fale shield*
[02:34] <William_Cain> flame*
[02:34] <schnide> (Obviously I know you can't say yes or no exactly, but just give me a general idea)
[02:34] <KarlosII> windows borked on my comp
[02:34] <KarlosII> I'm not about to reinstall it right now...
[02:34] <tritium> William_Cain, hotplug is intended to let you plug in devices and use them immediately.
[02:34] <nevyn_> schnide: we can say yes or no exactly if youn tell us exactly what the hardware is.
[02:35] <schnide> GeForce 2 card, D-Link 604+ router, D-Link 510 PCI card..
[02:35] <schnide> SB Live 5.1 Player, Pentax 33WR digital camera..
[02:35] <schnide> Well you asked!
[02:36] <alec> can i install wine easily on ubuntu
[02:36] <MainVoid> schnide: those should work fine.... the camer I am not sure about, mainly because I haven't used a digital camera in linux yet..
[02:36] <schnide> Ok that's great, last question then I think - can I dual boot and keep Windows for the time being to see if I like it/can use it?
[02:36] <MainVoid> schnide: yup..
[02:37] <schnide> Cool!  Is it easy to do?
[02:37] <MainVoid> schnide: depends.. do u have more then one hd? got a lot of free space?
[02:37] <tritium> schnide, you should have little trouble, and we're here to help
[02:37] <DonLemmi> MainVoid>: i just looked at the XF...log and there the probing looks good. But than later when the xserver tried to use the higher modes, it fails
[02:37] <MainVoid> schnide: usually it is easy..
[02:37] <schnide> I have one (dying) HD with about 5gig free - is that enough?
[02:38] <schnide> I have XP SP2 at present
[02:38] <nevyn_> sure.
[02:38] <nevyn_> dying isn't a good thing
[02:38] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: set the vrefresh value to what is probed from the monitor, and it'll prob work a bit better...
[02:38] <schnide> I'll get a new HD when I have some cash :)
[02:38] <nevyn_> schnide: does the camera appear as a disk under windows XP?
[02:38] <schnide> Yeah it does, that's good I take it?
[02:38] <MainVoid> schnide: it's enough space, if the drive lasts is another question.. if it is already dying, I'd replace that first anyway...
[02:38] <DonLemmi> MainVoid: k thx, ill try
[02:38] <nevyn_> schnide: indeed that's good.
[02:38] <nevyn_> that'll just work.
[02:39] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: should take care of it.. ;)
[02:39] <nevyn_> is the dlink 510 a wireless card?
[02:39] <nevyn_> with a TI chipset?
[02:39] <schnide> I don't know about TI chipset but it's wireless
[02:39] <alec> can i just 'apt-get install wine'
[02:40] <trey3> scoon, you still around?
[02:40] <nevyn_> schnide: is it labeled AIRplus?
[02:40] <schnide> Um no
[02:40] <schnide> It's a crappy card, but it works
[02:40] <nevyn_> it could be problematic.
[02:40] <tuxJr_14> hi
[02:40] <nevyn_> the router is a seperate computer it'll work fine.
[02:41] <scoon> trey3, yes
[02:41] <scoon> trey3, in xfce4.2.0 btw
[02:41] <trey3> scoon, add input to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5823 please
[02:41] <tritium> alec, you can do that, but you may want winesetuptk, and wine-doc
[02:41] <schnide> Excellent!  I'm off to order unbuntu then
[02:41] <schnide> Thanks alot guys, much appreciated
[02:41] <schnide> Oh where can I find out about how to dual-boot?
[02:42] <alec> tritium: thanks for that and do you know if adobe illistrator and pagemaker will work with it
[02:42] <tritium> alec, I don't know.  You better check www.winehq.com
[02:42] <tuxJr_14> hey, where can one find winesetuptk? i searched the whole wine site got only to the mailing list archive (or the discussions)
[02:42] <tritium> tuxJr_14, it's in the repos
[02:42] <jcoxon77> hi everyone
[02:43] <tuxJr_14> hi jcoxon77
[02:43] <tritium> tuxJr_14, in universe
[02:43] <alec> tritium: thanks
[02:43] <jcoxon77> just a quick question for those running gnome on hoary
[02:43] <scoon> trey3, i will log out and into gnome and strace it to post.
[02:43] <jcoxon77> the bottom panel - after the upgrade it squashes everything into the left hand corner
[02:43] <jcoxon77> is there a way to make it spread out again?
[02:43] <DonLemmi> MainVoid: Where in the XF..log do i find the lines telling me which values to use for h- and v-refresh?
[02:44] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: Oh, good question.. it's in the EDID section anyway...
[02:44] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: lemme check..
[02:44] <tuxJr_14> jcoxon77: does it not move using the middle mouse dragging?
[02:44] <jcoxon77> tuxJr_14: no
[02:44] <jcoxon77> :)
[02:44] <tritium> jcoxon77, that's not normal, even after upgrading
[02:45] <jcoxon77> its strange - orginally along the panel my programs were spread out
[02:45] <Petaris> Has anyone here had issues with evolution-data- eating massive amounts of memmory?
[02:46] <MainVoid> Petaris: define "massive"... ;)
[02:46] <tritium> jcoxon77, is it just the window list, or the whole panel, that's shoved into the corner?
[02:47] <Petaris> MainVoid: about 400 MB of physical ram
[02:47] <jcoxon77> how do i explain this - the bottom panel allows you to switch between the programs you're running
[02:47] <tuxJr_14> Petaris: whOO000ooo ooops
[02:47] <jcoxon77> originally they were evenly spaced
[02:48] <netmonk> when I try to play dvd the sound is fine, but the picture stops every 3 seconds. Is that "normal" for that stage of development, or I need some serious help to make things work?
[02:48] <Petaris> tuxJr_14: ?
[02:48] <jcoxon77> but now they are grouped together in the left corner so that i can only see the icons and not read the names
[02:48] <tritium> jcoxon77, it's the window list applet that does that.  Does your panel span the entire width of the screen is what I'm asking.
[02:48] <tuxJr_14> Petaris: 400 MB of physical ram
[02:48] <jcoxon77> tritium: yes
[02:48] <jcoxon77> tritium: in the right corner is my trash and also virtual desktop switcher
[02:48] <tritium> jcoxon77, can you right-click on the left edge of the window-list applet?
[02:49] <tritium> and open up the preferences for the Window List
[02:49] <jcoxon77> tritium: sorted
[02:49] <Petaris> tuxJr_14: yeah, and its only evolution-data- doing it, the rest of the evolution programs don't use nearly that much
[02:49] <MainVoid> Petaris: that would be construed as fitting the description of "massive", alright.. :D
[02:49] <tritium> jcoxon77, ?
[02:49] <jcoxon77> tritium: i had to increase the maximum window list size - by default it was 52 pixels
[02:49] <erGoline> hi all!
[02:50] <jcoxon77> not 52, 822 and now its 4096
[02:50] <Petaris> MainVoid: I'll forum post it later, I was just curious if anyone had had this issue before
[02:50] <scoon> trey3, what was that link again ?
[02:50] <superted> anyone else having problems with fasttrack ?
[02:50] <tritium> jcoxon77, okay, so you're fixed now?
[02:50] <jcoxon77> tritium: yeah thanks alot
[02:50] <tritium> :)
[02:50] <MainVoid> Petaris: try filing a bug in bugzilla as well..
[02:50] <scoon> trey3, i tried restarting metacity and strace'ing it but that crashed x.org
[02:50] <trey3> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5823
[02:50] <erGoline> I'm a little problem creating a bootable CD for an "old" system.. someone could give me a little help,  please?
[02:51] <Petaris> MainVoid: I wan't to make sure it is a bug first
[02:51] <MainVoid> Petaris: good point.. ;)
[02:51] <nevyn_> erGoline: define old.
[02:51] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: for some reason, I can't seem to find it.. ;)
[02:52] <erGoline> nevyn_: 3 years old. I test a bootable win98 cd and all goes well.. then I tried ubuntu with 2 differents cd and I give always a "not bootable cd-rom"
[02:52] <nevyn_> meh sleep.
[02:52] <nevyn_> erGoline: shipped cd's?
[02:53] <nevyn_> or downloaded and burned cd's?
[02:53] <erGoline> nevyn_: no, ,self burned
[02:53] <nevyn_> erGoline: you're burning them as iso's?
[02:53] <erGoline> nevyn_: no problem with other pc
[02:53] <nevyn_> hrm
[02:53] <R4lph> Wow, OOo 1.9 is available in Hoary =]
[02:53] <erGoline> nevyn_: yes, the works ok usually..
[02:53] <nevyn_> is the win98 a "gold edition" too? or is it pressed?
[02:54] <erGoline> nevyn_: win98 is in a original cd
[02:54] <nevyn_> it's possible the drive hates burned cd's...
[02:54] <MainVoid> erGoline: do u know what speed they were burnt at? could be the CD-ROM drive just won't read them..
[02:54] <nevyn_> these things happen
[02:55] <erGoline> nevyn_: I used cd-RW.. I should try with just cd-r
[02:55] <MainVoid> erGoline: if burnt at lower speeds, it should work better.... cd-r or cd-rw depends on the reader..
[02:55] <erGoline> MainVoid: the first try at 10X, the second one at 4X
[02:55] <nevyn_> do you know if the drive reads CD-RW?
[02:55] <nevyn_> like with normal data?
[02:55] <erGoline> nevyn_: no sure about that
[02:55] <nevyn_> erGoline: try a cd-r
[02:55] <MainVoid> erGoline: I'd try a cd-r @ 4x
[02:56] <MainVoid> nevyn_: <g>
[02:56] <nevyn_> erGoline: find somone local who got pressed CD's?
[02:56] <nevyn_> sleep.
[02:57] <MainVoid> PM
[02:57] <nevyn_> meh. it's 1am
[02:57] <MainVoid> nevyn_: just means u r in the wrong time zone.. ;)
[02:57] <gusto_> hehe
[02:57] <nevyn_> no man.. you are.
[02:58] <MainVoid> lol
[02:58] <nevyn_> AEST > *
[02:58] <erGoline> nevyn_, MainVoid: just found a old "Maxex Black" CD-R.. let's trty
[02:58] <MainVoid> GMT rulez...
[02:58] <DonLemmi> MainVoid: Hmm k :) Than i'll stick to what is default with 60Hz *urgs* :)
[02:58] <erGoline> nevyn_: Track-at-once is ok?
[02:58] <gusto_> gmt+1
[02:58] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: hang on..
[02:59] <tuxJr_14> data at once is more likely
[02:59] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: what monitor and model r u using?
[02:59] <tuxJr_14> tao pauses after each track.
[02:59] <MainVoid> gusto_: where u at?
[02:59] <erGoline> tuxJr_14: Disk-at-once or Track-at-once, no other chooses
[02:59] <DonLemmi> MainVoid: CTX-1792E
[03:00] <MainVoid> erGoline: dao..
[03:00] <erGoline> MainVoid: DAO at 4X, ok :)
[03:01] <scoon> trey3, all right.  I added my 2cents worth.
[03:03] <gusto_> MainVoid: norway
[03:04] <MainVoid> gusto_: hejsan hejsan.. en annan r ju svensk da, fast bor i england.. ;)
[03:04] <Phineas> What bittorrent works best on Linux?
[03:05] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: hsync range 0: 30.00 - 95.00
[03:05] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: vsync range 0: 50.00 - 105.00
[03:05] <DonLemmi> k, i'll try that :) thx alot
[03:05] <DonLemmi> where did you get that from?
[03:06] <MainVoid> Phineas: I'm assuming u mean which bittorrent _client_?? ;) I use Azureus..
[03:06] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: Google is great.. ;)
[03:06] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: if u have the manuals left for the monitor, it should be in there too, usually at the end.
[03:07] <Phineas> Main: Yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks.
[03:07] <DonLemmi> Hmm Manual? *g*
[03:07] <DonLemmi> Anyway thx alot
[03:07] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: <g> no probbs.. ;)
[03:08] <DonLemmi> great :) it works now i have 85Hz
[03:08] <MainVoid> kewl!
[03:08] <MainVoid> Another satisfied customer.. ;)
[03:09] <Guardiann> Hello, interesting problem I just recently ran an apt-get update/upgrade, rebooted and now when ever I click on say the xchat window at the the top bar it flashes and moves down the screen. Any Ideas?
[03:10] <MainVoid> Guardiann: others have mentioned problems with metacity in hoary...
[03:10] <Guardiann> oh yeah it must have been caused by the recent apt-get cause 8 hrs ago everything was fine
[03:10] <Guardiann> Thankyou tho
[03:11] <tritium> too bad apt-listbugs isn't working with ubuntu's bugzilla.
[03:11] <Guardiann> :)
[03:11] <MainVoid> Guardiann: no probbs..
[03:12] <Skid> that's odd, cos xchat works fine here using metcity
[03:12] <Phineas> same here
[03:12] <Guardiann> when was the last time you updated
[03:12] <MainVoid> and r u using hoary?
[03:12] <tritium> Skid, version 2.9.5-0ubuntu1 ?
[03:12] <trey3> tritium, file an enhancement? and request it be included in hoary?
[03:12] <Guardiann> xchat was an example it is doing the same with anything I open
[03:13] <tritium> trey3, I've already suggested to developers
[03:13] <Guardiann> MainVoid if that question was for me yes I am using Hoary...and it has been working great
[03:14] <MainVoid> Guardiann: nah, was asking the others.. ;)
[03:14] <Guardiann> ah ok
[03:14] <trey3> Guardiann, if its working... I don't recommend logging out for a while... enless you can help pinpoint problem?
[03:15] <Guardiann> Trey3 ok, I will be going to work soon but will leave this running
[03:15] <tritium> In debian sid, you avoid installing metacity when it broken by using apt-listbugs
[03:16] <trey3> tritium, we are aware of this  ;)
[03:16] <trey3> (well, I am...)
[03:16] <tritium> trey3, not all are
[03:17] <Guardiann> trey3 are you one of the developers?
[03:17] <trey3> Guardiann, nah
[03:18] <Guardiann> hmmm you seem to be fixing many troubles tho
[03:18] <Guardiann> nice work
[03:18] <trey3> tritium, please note... if you don't want bugs... you shouldn't be using hoary... easy as that...
[03:18] <trey3> avoiding bugs doesn't get them fixed faster...
[03:19] <tritium> trey3, all I'm saying is apt-listbugs helps you avoid a broken system
[03:19] <tritium> I can deal with an unstable distribution just fine, and I can tolerate bugs
[03:20] <MainVoid> tritium: how about adding it to the idea pool?
[03:21] <tritium> MainVoid, I'm chatting with Kamion about it right now
[03:21] <tritium> perhaps I will, though
[03:21] <MainVoid> tritium: Kamion? (I'm new around here so, don't know a lot of ppl here yet.. ;) )
[03:21] <trey3> MainVoid, Kamion = a devel  ;)
[03:22] <MainVoid> trey3: hey, now I have a nick at least! someone to chase! poor bugger... ;)
[03:22] <trey3> MainVoid, I believe lower system stuff... (I think he's involved with installer for instance, and is talking about kernel and grub related things right now..)
[03:22] <tritium> MainVoid, don't tell him I referred you ;)
[03:22] <jono> hi all
[03:23] <jono> anyone seen kamion recently?
[03:23] <MainVoid> tritium: I deny all knowledge.. ;)
[03:23] <trey3> MainVoid, want more? *points you at #ubuntu-devel* 8)
[03:23] <trey3> MainVoid, very friendly bunch... most are in here helping fairly often  :)
[03:23] <MainVoid> trey3: r u luring me into the deeper hells of software development here now? ;)
[03:24] <trey3> MainVoid, haha... not at all  8)
[03:24] <spacey_> more people have troubles with the latest hoary update?
[03:24] <MainVoid> trey3: :D
[03:24] <trey3> spacey_, just metacity so far...
[03:24] <Guardiann> not serious trouble :)
[03:24] <spacey_> trey3 yes i think it it metacity, with the windows
[03:24] <trey3> spacey_, seeing same things? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5823
[03:24] <spacey_> it really messes my up my desktop
[03:24] <jcoxon77> hi everyone - i'm getting the same thing
[03:25] <jcoxon77> but xmms works - it uses gtk
[03:25] <jcoxon77> i think oh sorry a bit vague - the metacity problem
[03:25] <spacey_> yes exactly the same
[03:26] <spacey_> mixes up the virtual desktops too
[03:26] <trey3> awww @ users not being able to change topic anymore  :(
[03:26] <spacey_> i hope they fix it quick 0:)
[03:27] <MainVoid> trey3: any ops u know of?
[03:27] <trey3> MainVoid, you can apparently figure it out via chanserv... no idea how though  :/
[03:27] <Bigglez> new to this - have a prob with making an ubuntu cd form an iso file?
[03:27] <tritium> daniels, you can change the topic, can't you?
[03:27] <MainVoid> so, how many lurkers are in here really??
[03:28] <spacey_> good thing i also have a workstation
[03:28] <tritium> here we go
[03:28] <spacey_> heh
[03:28] <daniels> tritium: yes
[03:28] <MainVoid> I see 0 ops, and 311 users.. and about 5 talking.. ;)
[03:28] <spacey_> MainVoid, good thing not everybody talks at once
[03:28] <tritium> I think thom is taking care of it, daniels
[03:28] <MainVoid> lol
[03:28] <trey3> MainVoid, ~290-300 more than likely...
[03:29] <tritium> thanks thom
[03:29] <trey3> Thank you thom  :)
[03:29] <Bigglez> hello, I made an ubuntu cd under Fedora but it won't boot. Can anyone help?
[03:29] <daniels> thom: double pipes look better, but be consistent :)
[03:29] <tritium> thanks daniels
[03:29] <thom> ber
[03:29] <thom> awkard git
[03:29] <trey3> haha
[03:29] <MainVoid> lol
[03:29] <daniels> heh
[03:29] <trey3> daniels, thank you also  :)
[03:30] <daniels> heh, i didn't contribute much
[03:30] <Bigglez> New to IRC, not sure how to ask for help?
[03:30] <MainVoid> right, I gotta head.. catch us all l8r!
[03:30] <jono> daniels, read your blog entry about x.org, sage words my friend :)
[03:30] <topyli> Bigglez: ask away
[03:30] <Bigglez> Hi - having a problem making a boot cd from an iso
[03:30] <MainVoid> Err http://www.mirrorservice.org hoary/main metacity 1:2.9.5-0ubuntu1
[03:30] <MainVoid>   404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[03:31] <trey3> Bigglez, using linux or windows?
[03:31] <MainVoid> Good..
[03:31] <Bigglez> I am in Fedora 1 and I used cdrecord to burn the warty iso, but it won't boot
[03:31] <trey3> Bigglez, what did you enter for cdrecord?
[03:31] <MainVoid> right, I'm off.. bye!
[03:31] <trey3> Seemed to be error free?
[03:31] <crypticreign> ubuntu doesnt recognize my cd burner.. i think there is a kernel option to pass at boot, but cant remember
[03:32] <Bigglez> cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -v warty-install-i386.iso
[03:32] <tritium> daniels, maybe this metacity problem is really one of those problems in xorg waiting to surface ;)
[03:32] <Bigglez> It wrote the cd - I can mount it ok.
[03:32] <trey3> crypticreign, lsmod | grep ide-cd
[03:32] <trey3> crypticreign, anything returned?
[03:32] <crypticreign> trey3: no
[03:33] <Bigglez> Trey3 - I used: cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -v warty-install-i386.iso
[03:33] <Hannes__> Some repos broken?
[03:33] <trey3> Bigglez, ahh... 2.4 kernel... yay... need '--data' though... to burn raw... not sure what -v does?
[03:33] <Bigglez> Ah.. gimme a mo to go and man - thanks
[03:33] <trey3> crypticreign, modprobe ide-cd ... also but this into /etc/modules for later reboots
[03:34] <Hannes__> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libb/libbtctl/libbtctl1_0.4.1-1ubuntu3_i386.deb
[03:34] <Hannes__>   404 Not Found
[03:34] <crypticreign> trey3: ok
[03:34] <trey3> crypticreign, not sure why its not loaded though?
[03:34] <crypticreign> trey3: i did that, and then ran lsmod | grep ide-cd
[03:34] <crypticreign> but its not listed still
[03:34] <trey3> crypticreign, maybe its ide_cd via lsmod...
[03:35] <trey3> crypticreign, didn't say it was already loaded though?
[03:35] <tritium> it is
[03:35] <crypticreign> ah yes
[03:35] <crypticreign> trey3: it says it is loaded and it has been
[03:35] <Bigglez> Trey3 - It says -data is default anyway. -v is verbose. What do you reckon -data does?
[03:35] <trey3> crypticreign, hmm... how do you know its not working then?
[03:35] <trey3> Bigglez, --data = raw burn...
[03:35] <crypticreign> trey3: i remember having to pass some option special for 2.6 kernel
[03:36] <crypticreign> like scsi=ide or something
[03:36] <trey3> crypticreign, that was it... (used to be ide-scsi for 2.4)
[03:36] <trey3> crypticreign, nope... thats 2.4 specific... was a pain back then  :/
[03:37] <crypticreign> hmm
[03:37] <Bigglez> Trey3 - Okay. Anything else I should do to ensure a bootable cd?
[03:37] <trey3> Bigglez, thats all I ever use (cdrecord dev=blah speed=blah --data blah.iso) ... should work...
[03:38] <trey3> Bigglez, never had a bad cd... so yeah  :)
[03:38] <Bigglez> Thanks tonnes! I hope to be running Ubuntu real soon. Cheers
[03:38] <crypticreign> trey3: my burning program, graveman, says it cant find a cd burner
[03:38] <trey3> Bigglez, you're welcome, and good luck  :)
[03:39] <trey3> crypticreign, never heard of graveman?
[03:39] <daniels> jono: heh, thanks dude
[03:39] <daniels> mainrun sudo apt-get update
[03:40] <tritium> crypticreign, does graveman use cdrecord?
[03:40] <crypticreign> tritium: yes
[03:40] <tritium> crypticreign, if it does, try "cdrecord dev=ATAPI: --scanbus"
[03:40] <tritium> then you can configure cdrecord
[03:41] <tritium> assuming it finds your CD burner
[03:41] <crypticreign> all i get is
[03:41] <crypticreign> scsidev: 'ATAPI:'
[03:41] <crypticreign> devname: 'ATAPI'
[03:41] <crypticreign> scsibus: -1 target: -1 lun: -1
[03:41] <trey3> crypticreign, then its working...
[03:42] <trey3> eh... wait... nm... thats not saying anything about device...
[03:42] <crypticreign> hdc=ide-scsi is what i used to have to pass at boot
[03:42] <tritium> crypticreign, that's not necessary with 2.6 kernel
[03:42] <trey3> crypticreign, like I said... thats not needed for 2.6 kernels... due to ide-cd
[03:42] <crypticreign> ok
[03:42] <rcaskey_> what's the name of the desktop metapackage?
[03:43] <Pluk> ubuntu-desktop
[03:43] <rcaskey_> is it not in main?
[03:44] <rcaskey_> i did a hoary install, interrupted the config process, edited my sources.list, apt-get update
[03:44] <rcaskey_> but the only ubuntu stuff it shows are the kernel, libc6, the wallpapers, and base
[03:44] <Pluk> its in base
[03:44] <rcaskey_> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop doesn't like it
[03:45] <tritium> crypticreign, cdrecord never returned anything further?
[03:45] <crypticreign> nope
[03:45] <trey3> crypticreign, just for kicks (and because I get different results with each) ... try 'sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -scanbus'
[03:45] <crypticreign> trey3:      1,0,0   100) 'HP      ' 'CD-Writer+ 9300 ' '1.0c' Removable CD-ROM
[03:45] <trey3> crypticreign, ok... then it *is* working...
[03:45] <rcaskey_> :d
[03:46] <trey3> crypticreign, which means its a software issue with *that_app_you_said*
[03:46] <crypticreign> oh hmm
[03:46] <crypticreign> ok
[03:46] <crypticreign> well i guess ill have to install k3b
[03:46] <trey3> crypticreign, might want to try xcdroast instead
[03:46] <crypticreign> that burns cd's from mp3?
[03:46] <trey3> crypticreign, head good things (for instance its *very* fast
[03:47] <rcaskey_> root@cherubino:/var/cache/apt/archives # cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:47] <rcaskey_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse restricted
[03:47] <rcaskey_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse restricted
[03:47] <trey3> crypticreign, should yes... cdrecord itself can do that too though...
[03:47] <Pluk> thats all rcaskey_ ?
[03:47] <rcaskey_> yeah
[03:47] <tritium> crypticreign, you can also try editing /etc/default/cdrecord to match the info you just got from the bus scan
[03:47] <rcaskey_> that's a I should noeed
[03:47] <trey3> rcaskey_, indeed... most aren't used to seen a clean sources.list though  ;)
[03:47] <trey3> seeing*
[03:48] <rcaskey_> trey: I promise I'm not crazy
[03:48] <ermo> rcaskey_, 'cross my heart, scout honour style'?
[03:48] <Pluk> well your missing the main part in it?
[03:48] <tritium> rcaskey_, where's main?
[03:48] <Pluk> http://www.pastebin.com/232830 heres mine
[03:48] <trey3> rcaskey_, haha... you apt-get update'd?  (stupid question)  ... and you're not finding 'ubuntu-desktop'?
[03:48] <crypticreign> trey3: yeah, it says something about yamaha and looks incorrect
[03:49] <Pluk> also good to have hoary-security in it
[03:49] <trey3> crypticreign, 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --audio file.mp3 file1.mp3 file3.mp3'
[03:50] <crypticreign> trey3: xcdroast says it cannot find a cd-writer
[03:50] <trey3> crypticreign, blah...
[03:50] <tritium> crypticreign, xcdroast depends on cdrecord
[03:50] <tritium> crypticreign, configure cdrecord
[03:51] <trey3> crypticreign, in 2.6.8 there is a bug related to burning as user (Alan Cox thinks its possible to physically break discs, and is probably right...)
[03:51] <trey3> tritium, its not that dude... its working as root... hence prior statement...
[03:51] <crypticreign> trey3: i tried as root :)
[03:51] <trey3> crypticreign, same thing?
[03:51] <crypticreign> yeah
[03:52] <trey3> crypticreign, thats weird... cdrecord itself is saying this now?
[03:52] <crypticreign> it wont write the config once i do cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -scanbus
[03:52] <crypticreign> ??
[03:52] <tritium> no
[03:52] <crypticreign> trey3: says the same, found the device
[03:52] <tritium> crypticreign, you need to edit /etc/default/cdrecord to configure it permanently
[03:52] <trey3> tritium, I didn't even know there was a config file for cdrecord...  :/
[03:53] <rcaskey_> ahh
[03:53] <trey3> learn something new every day I guess  :/
[03:53] <trey3> haha
[03:53] <rcaskey_> ahh, no main
[03:53] <tritium> trey3, "dpkg -L cdrecord" ;)
[03:53] <tritium> rcaskey_, that's what we told you above
[03:53] <trey3> tritium, always works... no need to fiddle  :/
[03:53] <crypticreign> tritium: CDR_DEVICE= is set to yamaha... should that be set to /dev/hdc ?
[03:53] <Pluk> :D
[03:53] <rcaskey_> tritium: i just saw your post
[03:53] <tritium> rcaskey_, okay :)
[03:53] <rcaskey_> I got pulld outside for a minute
[03:54] <rcaskey_> I wonder why it didnt have main
[03:54] <Pluk> rcaskey_, also put hoary-security in it
[03:54] <rcaskey_> I guess it gets added after the first intall from cd
[03:54] <tritium> crypticreign, not exactly
[03:54] <rcaskey_> Pluk: I will, thanks
[03:54] <trey3> rcaskey_, if you put hoary-security ... just comment it... its empty  :/
[03:54] <tritium> crypticreign, look at the bottom of that file.
[03:54] <rcaskey_> actually I might just point to sed
[03:54] <trey3> rcaskey_, while you're at it... add hoary-updates and comment that too  :/
[03:55] <crypticreign> tritium: ok
[03:55] <tritium> yamaha is device 1,5,0
[03:55] <crypticreign> yep
[03:55] <rcaskey_> trey3: noone would forget updates ;)
[03:55] <tritium> what were your numbers?
[03:55] <crypticreign> tritium: 1.5.0  -1  -1  ""
[03:55] <trey3> rcaskey_, what you have is all you need till release though...  :/
[03:55] <rcaskey_> trey3: If I point it to sed I will be good ad infinitum
[03:56] <prego> who sets motif applications colors?
[03:56] <crypticreign> tritium: oh oh, 1.0.0 for MY device
[03:56] <tritium> crypticreign, make an entry with those numbers.  give it a name
[03:56] <prego> oh, I see, /etc/gnome/config
[03:57] <tritium> then make CDR_DEVICE=name-you-choose
[03:57] <prego> how do I know whose package a file belongs?
[03:57] <crypticreign> tritium: ok
[03:57] <trey3> prego, in what context?
[03:57] <prego> (in rpm based systems: rpm -qf /etc/shadow)
[03:57] <crypticreign> tritium: then what?
[03:57] <tritium> crypticreign, here's mine as an example: toshiba=  ATAPI:0,1,0   -1      -1      ""
[03:58] <trey3> prego, 'apt-cache show pkg | grep Maintainer'  ?
[03:58] <tritium> then see if programs that use cdrecord can find the cd burner now
[03:58] <trey3> prego, ahh... bah... dpkg -L pkg
[03:58] <trey3> prego, sorry... not thinking today
[03:58] <trey3> prego, really not thinking... haha
[03:58] <trey3> prego, dpkg -S pkg
[03:58] <trey3> final answer  8)
[03:58] <crypticreign> tritium: no
[03:58] <klaym> what's the application launcher command to set the program straight to tray?
[03:58] <prego> trey3: think is a good think to do  :-P
[03:58] <crypticreign> tritium: netierh graveman or xcdroast
[03:59] <trey3> dpkg -S file even  :/
[03:59] <crypticreign> *neither
[03:59] <tritium> crypticreign, you saved your file?
[03:59] <crypticreign> tritium: yes
[03:59] <tritium> did you use ATAPI:1,0,0 ?
[03:59] <crypticreign> oh no
[04:00] <prego> does anyone know if there is the possibility to set up more xrdb rules, but user based instead of system based?
[04:00] <prego> I mean, long time ago, there was the .grdb dir
[04:00] <prego> at the user account
[04:00] <trey3> prego, hah... don't even know what that is  :o
[04:00] <crypticreign> tritium: still didnt work
[04:00] <crypticreign> tritium: i have hp=             ATAPI:1,0,0    -1      -1      ""
[04:01] <tritium> crypticreign, one last try: "cdrecord dev=ATA: --scanbus"
[04:01] <tritium> that's ATA, not ATAPI
[04:01] <tritium> if that works, change it in the config file too.
[04:01] <tritium> if not, I'm out of ideas
[04:02] <Gladiak> hi everyone
[04:02] <crypticreign> tritium: it keeps trying to open /dev/hda
[04:02] <tritium> okay, sorry.  I can't think of anything else to try.
[04:02] <crypticreign> :(
[04:02] <Gladiak> i've a question...i installed a warty ubuntu....where can i find a 2.6.9 or 2.6.10 kernel ?
[04:02] <crypticreign> ok
[04:02] <crypticreign> thanks
[04:02] <tritium> sorry
[04:02] <tritium> Gladiak, not in Warty...
[04:03] <Gladiak> argh...only in hoary ?
[04:03] <tritium> yeah
[04:03] <Gladiak> mmm
[04:03] <Gladiak> pretty stable ?
[04:03] <tritium> you could always compile your own
[04:03] <Gladiak> i know :/
[04:03] <tritium> Gladiak, yeah, except for a current metacity bug that's being looked at as we speak
[04:04] <Gladiak> mmm ok i'll search for a source.list for upgrade
[04:04] <tritium> a dist-upgrade at this time might leave you with a screwy window manager
[04:04] <Gladiak> :)
[04:04] <Gladiak> mmm
[04:04] <Gladiak> i'll wait
[04:04] <Gladiak> ^^"
[04:05] <Gladiak> i ask for a new kernel because i have a bad acpi problem
[04:05] <Gladiak> :(((
[04:05] <tritium> Oh...
[04:06] <Gladiak> acpi can't see the power changes
[04:06] <tritium> acpi and power management is quite good in Hoary
[04:07] <Gladiak> not so much trey :P
[04:07] <trey3> Gladiak, haha... you tried the hoary packages?
[04:07] <Gladiak> not yet
[04:07] <trey3> Gladiak, eh... wait no... you're using warty... I should pay attention
[04:08] <Gladiak> :)
[04:08] <Gladiak> but i'm thinking to upgradeto it
[04:08] <topyli> Gladiak: you could upgrade just the kernel, apt might pull in some other packages. but that shouldn't break too much.
[04:08] <trey3> Gladiak, I recommend waiting until the metacity mention in the topic is gone  ;)
[04:08] <Gladiak> mmm topyli i'll try
[04:09] <Gladiak> yes trey3 i know :P
[04:09] <tritium> there's a possible fix for the metacity bug
[04:09] <tritium> being discussed by the developers right now
[04:09] <topyli> tritium: apt-get install fvwm2 :)
[04:09] <tritium> topyli, ha ha
[04:09] <Gladiak> topyli, could you tell me the repos for hoary ?
[04:10] <topyli> Gladiak: just edit your sources.list. change all wartys to hoarys :)
[04:10] <Gladiak> lol
[04:10] <Gladiak> sorry
[04:10] <Pluk> Gladiak, http://pastebin.com/232830
[04:10] <Gladiak> pretty simple
[04:10] <tritium> apparently un-checking "Separate group for each window" in the "Laouts" tab of the Keyboard capplet fixes it for some.
[04:11] <tritium> "Layouts", that is
[04:12] <tritium> that's pretty strange if that ends up being the fix
[04:13] <scoon> topyli, i really bet they are apt-getting openbox ;)
[04:13] <topyli> scoon: but openbox is still young and might be buggy. i'd go for fvwm2
[04:14] <scoon> topyli, nah, i have used it for over a year.
[04:14] <scoon> topyli, it is quite stable.
[04:14] <scoon> topyli, even used it all by its lonesome
[04:14] <trey3> Whoever mentioned the "possible fix" no luck here...
[04:15] <trey3> But I found another way to reproduce  8)   alt f7 and move mouse
[04:15] <topyli> scoon: yeah, but some have been running fvwm2 for billions of years :)
[04:15] <trey3> yeah... I guess thats covered by "metacity interaction" though
[04:15] <scoon> topyli, i'd like to see that crusty penguin ;)
[04:16] <topyli> scoon: i think you'd rather find a philosophical gnu =)
[04:16] <klaym> any hint on where to find nice minimalistic wallpapers?
[04:16] <trey3> klaym, 'ubuntu-calendar'  8)
[04:17] <trey3> klaym, art.gnome.org also  :)
[04:17] <trey3> I think there's even some on www.gnome-look.org?
[04:17] <klaym> ok. thanks
[04:17] <topyli> klaym: drag a pattern from the nautilus to the desktop ;)
[04:17] <klaym> yea, I've actually browsed both of them through
[04:17] <neofeed> has anyone else experienced firefox crashes on Hoary's Xorg? And other strange things. like fonts beeing in part blue or yellow?
[04:17] <klaym> ;)
[04:18] <neofeed> Sometimes the text-parts are screwed ( half overwritten ), or button(menu) jump when you mouseover them...
[04:18] <tritium> trey3, no luck with the keyboard layout fix attempt?
[04:19] <trey3> tritium, nope
[04:19] <tritium> oh wel
[04:19] <tritium> well
[04:19] <trey3> even restarted X with setting in place (as thats how I got it to start reproducing here...)
[04:20] <tritium> trey3, maybe you should tell Treenaks
[04:21] <tritium> that it didn't work for you
[04:21] <topyli> klaym: I'm using the "green weave" pattern right now :)
[04:21] <klaym> so which pattern you dragged?
[04:22] <klaym> I mean how?
[04:22] <pybe> klaym: bit late but try this >> http://browse.deviantart.com/wallpaper/minimalistic/?view=1&order=5&limit=24
[04:23] <klaym> pybe: thanks, browsed through that too :)
[04:23] <klaym> I think I'll just make my own
[04:26] <topyli> klaym: in nautilus, choose edit->backgrounds and emblems. you can drag them anywhere
[04:27] <klaym> topyli: ok
[04:27] <madsen> Ok, got a SiS gfx card and problems with DRI. Does _anyone_ know _anything_ related to that?
[04:27] <trey3> madsen, what card?
[04:27] <madsen> And the error: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:28] <madsen> trey3: Hang on a sec...
[04:28] <madsen> trey3: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter
[04:28] <trey3> madsen, I used to have a 630 ... no DRI support for that... no idea with 740 though
[04:29] <daniels> er, iirc the 630 is supported for dri with xorg
[04:29] <madsen> trey3: Hmm... So... No hope for anything OpenGL?
[04:29] <trey3> daniels, wasn't in XFree86 4.2.1  ;)
[04:29] <trey3> daniels, might have to break that box out again though to see what gains DRI has... not supported on this Trident Cyberblade il afaik?
[04:30] <daniels> trey3: er, I don't think there's any Trident DRI
[04:30] <madsen> trey3: No GL screensavers work here and TuxRacer is pure lag. :/
[04:30] <daniels> i wanted to get a Trident card off eBay, but the AGP card went for $26.5, which is way too expensive
[04:31] <daniels> (given the FireGL was only about $50, and the crappy horrendous Ark card is only going for about $2.5, which is exactly what it's worth)
[04:31] <tritium> daniels, you know I was joking about the metacity bug being an xorg problem.  I was just amused by your blog.
[04:31] <madsen> trey3: However, glxgears reports "935 frames in 5.0 seconds = 187.000 FPS"
[04:31] <neofeed> http://mdot.mine.nu/~moritz/font.png --- what did I do wrong?
[04:32] <trey3> daniels, haha... yeah... I should probably invest in a better graphics card... college student though  :/
[04:32] <trey3> daniels, barely can pay for food and accessories... let alone hardware upgrades  ;)
[04:33] <madsen> trey3: Hmm, you got any suggestions? Shouldn't the GL screensavers work?
[04:34] <tritium> trey3, don't forget books :)
[04:34] <klaym> ubuntu comes with totem movie player installed, but is xine installed too?
[04:34] <tritium> klaym, no, but it can be installed
[04:34] <trey3> tritium, eh... thats included in tuition  8)
[04:34] <tritium> trey3, ah, okay
[04:34] <madsen> klaym: Nope, but it is installable.
[04:34] <klaym> yea I'm looking at the ubuntuguide, and just wondered if it's already installed
[04:34] <daniels> trey3: i got my r200 (radeon 8500) for $us20 off ebay at the time, and it's a very capable card
[04:34] <tritium> klaym, no, it's not
[04:35] <trey3> daniels, you should get me one for my bday  8)  only like uhh.... just shy of 2 months away  ;)
[04:35] <klaym> ok
[04:35] <MainVoid> trey3: got my Radeon 9600 SE for 25.00 GBP ...
[04:36] <daniels> (at the time -> a year ago)
[04:36] <randabis-laptop> this chick on tv is hot..hehehe
[04:37] <trey3> MainVoid, eh... money seriously doesn't even last the week... internet > nice video card...
[04:37] <MainVoid> trey3: it's not bad... does the job, definitely... and for that money, it was an easy choice..
[04:37] <madsen> Hmm, ok, but shouldn't the GL screensavers work - even on a SIS 740?
[04:38] <trey3> madsen, bother daniels, eventually he will answer  ;)
[04:39] <randabis-laptop> I want GL screensavers on my SMI intergrated graphics lol
[04:39] <madsen> trey3: Ok... :)
[04:40] <madsen> daniels: I will now officially bother you (on trey3's recommendation) until you tell me whether or not the GL screensavers should work with a SiS 740. ;)
[04:40] <snowblink> Hi. Is FOP available somewhere via apt?
[04:40] <MainVoid> snowblink: FOP?
[04:40] <daniels> madsen: i have no idea
[04:41] <madsen> daniels: Crap! :(
[04:41] <alainm> how do i change the setting that colapses all the similar item in the application bar at the bottom?
[04:41] <snowblink> MainVoid: http://xml.apache.org/fop/
[04:41] <madsen> When DRI is enabled in XF86Config-4 and glxinfo still says "indirect rendering" there's no hope... Or?
[04:43] <MainVoid> snowblink: ah.. never seen that one b4.. looks interesting..
[04:43] <no0tic> desperatly in search of metacity deb
[04:43] <snowblink> alainm: right click on the dotted thing just to the left of your windows on the bottom bar
[04:43] <snowblink> alainm: preferences
[04:44] <alainm> perfect.. thank you so much
[04:44] <trey3> no0tic, there are several in the archive...  :/
[04:44] <randabis-laptop> it's the little things that make you crazy, like the thought of someone touching your skin
[04:44] <snowblink> MainVoid: very cool for making PDFs from XML files
[04:45] <alainm> i love ubuntu
[04:45] <snowblink> MainVoid: any ideas how to get it via apt?
[04:45] <alainm> it just works
[04:47] <redfun> is this right? root      3974  3.4  6.6<PHONE_NUMBER>0 ?        R    12:25   0:43      \_ /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/
[04:47] <redfun> I've got 512MBs of ram.
[04:47] <trey3> no0tic, 2.9.3 still works... (just installed it, --force-all)
[04:47] <LinuxJones> bah winter sucks...I just shoveled an 8 foot snow drift from my back door :(
[04:48] <snowblink> LinuxJones: blizzard?
[04:48] <redfun> 170964 is a bit too much or not? :-)
[04:48] <LinuxJones> snowblink, yeah
[04:48] <LinuxJones> snowblink, 65 cm of snow and 100 km/hr winds
[04:48] <Gladiak> in italy we haven't snow :(
[04:48] <Gladiak> :
[04:48] <snowblink> LinuxJones: but at least you have a net connection and power!
[04:49] <LinuxJones> snowblink, my cable flicked off twice last night for 5 mins each time so i guess I am lucky :D
[04:49] <godsmoke> storm?
[04:49] <MainVoid> snowblink: yeah, sure looks quite useful, especially if u want to create pdf files on the fly on a web site for example..
[04:50] <snowblink> MainVoid: doesn't look like it's in any of the repositories I've checked
[04:50] <Gladiak> bb man
[04:50] <MainVoid> snowblink: I haven't seen it either...
[04:50] <MainVoid> snowblink: Though, should be easy to install by hand, I'd suppose...
[04:51] <snowblink> MainVoid: yup. Just checking first...
[04:51] <MainVoid> snowblink: definitely.. ;) easy choices 1st.... ;)
[04:51] <alainm> is there a tool to manage my wireless connection, ie i want to change the SSID i connect to?
[04:52] <godsmoke> alainm: there is a config tool in gnome -- and you can use iwconfig
[04:52] <alainm> what is the name of the gnome tool?
[04:52] <godsmoke> "Network Config"
[04:52] <godsmoke> it's in the system menu or something
[04:53] <alainm> ah... that works properly now that i have upgraded to hoarty
[04:53] <godsmoke> huh?
[04:53] <MainVoid> "Networking" ...
[04:53] <trey3> no0tic, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/metacity/
[04:53] <MainVoid> ... is what it is called on my system ...
[04:54] <godsmoke> MainVoid: very possible -- I'm not sitting at a computer running gnome
[04:54] <trey3> no0tic, install 2.9.3
[04:54] <alainm> godsmoke: previously it only thought my wireless card was an ethernet and didn't about me to change anything
[04:54] <godsmoke> alainm: well -- you don't need to upgrade to hoary to fix that -- I'm sure a little poking around wouldn've been fine
[04:54] <trey3> (only metacity is needed... libmetacity doesn't seem to care...)
[04:55] <tritium> I already pointed him to the pool
[04:56] <godsmoke> so quiet in here ...
[04:56] <trey3> tritium, he said it didn't work for him where you pointed him to...
[04:59] <jono> hi all
[04:59] <LinuxJones> hi jono
[04:59] <jono> hey LinuxJones
[05:00] <LinuxJones> jono was awesome to have Mark Shuttleworth on LUG Radio ;D
[05:00] <jono> LinuxJones, cheers :) it was fun to do :)
[05:01] <jono> on the next episode we will hopefully be having jdub if he is still cool to do it :)
[05:01] <jdub> totally
[05:01] <LinuxJones> jono, I was jsut going to suggest that :D
[05:01] <jono> :)
[05:01] <jdub> i'm going to be enormously hung over
[05:01] <jono> jdub, cool, I will make a point of shouting down the phone :P
[05:01] <jdub> australia day on 26th -> 7am interview on 27th
[05:02] <randabis-laptop> I'll volunteer to call in as the random ubuntu fanboy!
[05:02] <randabis-laptop> lol
[05:04] <MagicFab> hello
[05:04] <randabis-laptop> olleh
[05:04] <MagicFab> does anyone know of a bittorrent site for the latest hoary CD release ?
[05:04] <jono> jdub, well we can record your interview a bit later if that is more convenient, maybe 9pm GMT ?
[05:04] <randabis-laptop> I don't think anyone has started a tracker for it
[05:04] <MagicFab> it's a drag to d/l via FTP/HTTP
[05:05] <randabis-laptop> heh FTP/HTTP is a lot faster for me than BT
[05:05] <godsmoke|lap> ...
[05:05] <jdub> jono: possibly a good idea, let me know if you can
[05:05] <godsmoke|lap> the protocol doesn't define a speed maximum
[05:05] <jono> jdub, yeah, that is no problem
[05:06] <jono> jdub, could you mail me your phone number to call you on, or I can send you my number if you would prefer to call me instead
[05:06] <randabis-laptop> maybe not, but that doesn't change how it performs like ass on my network
[05:06] <sanochaor> wenas
[05:06] <godsmoke|lap> randabis-laptop: it's possible you didn't poke holes in your firewall?
[05:06] <randabis-laptop> my ports are forwarded correctly
[05:06] <godsmoke|lap> ok
[05:06] <godsmoke|lap> well -- then that's strange
[05:07] <godsmoke|lap> because only on torrents am I able to max out my 8Mb down
[05:07] <randabis-laptop> my problem is I end up sending A LOT more than I receive and it boggles down my whole connection
[05:07] <godsmoke|lap> well, it takes time for the torrent to equalize and get up to speed
[05:08] <randabis-laptop> but it NEVER equalizes no matter how many different trackers I've tried
[05:08] <godsmoke|lap> hrm
[05:08] <tritium> no0tic, you ignored my attmempt to send you the needed files
[05:08] <godsmoke|lap> what client are you using?
[05:08] <randabis-laptop> I've used several..the standard one, bittornado, azureus, abc, etc
[05:09] <godsmoke|lap> hmm -- don't know what to tell you
[05:09] <godsmoke|lap> I don't know anyone who's had that experience
[05:09] <trey3> godsmoke, what are you using that is maxing out your 8mb down?
[05:09] <godsmoke|lap> trey3: using?
[05:09] <randabis-laptop> I like the protocol, but it just doesn't run well for me
[05:09] <godsmoke|lap> we were talking about torrent speeds
[05:09] <trey3> godsmoke, which bittorrent client...
[05:11] <godsmoke|lap> trey3: all clients can negotiate those speeds -- but I use ABC mostly
[05:11] <no0tic> tritium: I was on irssi, and I didn't know how to use it... sorry
[05:12] <tritium> no0tic, no problem.  I was just trying to help.
[05:12] <ja__> Help!, how to restart gdm?
[05:12] <no0tic> tritium: thank you very much
[05:12] <tritium> no problem.  Glad you're up and running again.
[05:12] <mischa> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:12] <randabis-laptop> ctrl alt backspace should restart gdm
[05:12] <godsmoke|lap> ja__: ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X
[05:12] <no0tic> tritium: eventually I downgraded to 2.9.1
[05:12] <randabis-laptop> or that
[05:12] <tritium> no0tic, why not 2.9.3?
[05:13] <no0tic> tritium: I found 2.9.1 on my array2 cd
[05:13] <tritium> I see.
[05:13] <tritium> are you in xchat now?
[05:13] <ja__> godsmoke|lap: but i have prblem with my windows, the "top" of my windows disappeared :S
[05:13] <tritium> if you want me to send you 2.9.3, I will
[05:13] <no0tic> tritium: yes
[05:13] <godsmoke|lap> ja__: your window manager is dead
[05:13] <no0tic> tritium: thanks, then
[05:13] <tritium> okay
[05:13] <ja__> godsmoke|lap: how to restart it?
[05:13] <trey3> no0tic, ps, don't forget to hold metacity... else it'll just keep trying to upgrade...
[05:14] <godsmoke|lap> ja__: are you using gnome? -- start metacity
[05:14] <godsmoke|lap> XOrg had major issues on my laptop the other day
[05:14] <ja__> godsmoke|lap: yes, i'm using Gnome
[05:14] <godsmoke|lap> start metacity, I said
[05:14] <godsmoke|lap> did you restart X?
[05:14] <godsmoke|lap> it should handle all of that
[05:14] <jono> when I shut my laptop down with hoary, the system seems to switch off but the power is still on - is this a kernel issue?
[05:14] <ja__> Yes i did ctrl-alt-backspace
[05:15] <trey3> ja__, upgraded hoary today?  :S
[05:15] <randabis-laptop> my laptop turns off...
[05:15] <trey3> jono, what?
[05:15] <LinuxJones> godsmoke|lap, you have a repo for abc ?
[05:15] <godsmoke|lap> ja__: then you should be able to log in again -- you should be at a gdm screen
[05:15] <godsmoke|lap> LinuxJones: no ...
[05:15] <no0tic> trey: right
[05:15] <mischa> ja:better go to term ctrl-alt-f1 and do a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:15] <LBM> take a look at the topic guys
[05:15] <LinuxJones> godsmoke|lap, okie
[05:15] <no0tic> tritium: thanks again
[05:16] <no0tic> tritium: Will I need libmetacity0 2.9.3 too?
[05:16] <trey3> no0tic, no
[05:16] <jono> trey3, well I shut it down, and the screen switches off and it appears on the screen that it is off, but the power is still on
[05:16] <tritium> no0tic, I think trench has said not
[05:16] <tritium> not trench, trey
[05:16] <tritium> trey3
[05:16] <randabis-laptop> jono must be your laptop I guess...mine shuts off when shutting down
[05:17] <godsmoke|lap> jono: are you doing a halt?
[05:17] <jono> randabis, this used to work with warty, but not hoary it seems
[05:17] <randabis-laptop> I'm running hoary as well
[05:17] <jono> godsmoke, I am clicking on shutdown in gdm
[05:17] <mischa> mwe too
[05:17] <godsmoke|lap> oh
[05:17] <tritium> trey3, that was funny
[05:18] <trey3> tritium, hehe  8)
[05:18] <mischa> and ja__, is it working.....now :)
[05:18] <ja__> I rebotted and nothing happened but i wrote "metacity" i terminal and now it works =]
[05:18] <stvn> jono: ssame happens here
[05:18] <maldito> Hello everyone.
[05:18] <mischa> :)
[05:19] <ja__> I had the same problem with xfce few days ago =]
[05:19] <stvn> jono: but i did a bios update and blamed the update, never bothered investigating it any further
[05:19] <maldito> I have a question regarding my laptop and my memory
[05:19] <mischa> sav eyou session now i guiss...
[05:19] <jono> stvn, I will file a bug and then you can maybe add comments
[05:19] <ja__> I'm using Hoary so i have some problems all the time ;)
[05:19] <stvn> jono: ok, give the number once you filed it
[05:19] <ja__> Ok, thx for help, bye bye =)
[05:19] <jono> stvn, sure
[05:20] <mischa> ja: me too, but running fine sofar...
[05:20] <no0tic> trey3: can I upgrade libmetacity to 2.9.5 safely?
[05:20] <randabis-laptop> I've had a very good hoary experience...don't think I've had any problems really...other than the theme manager not working a few days ago
[05:20] <Pluk> jono, check /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn you might want to change it to powerbtn.sh
[05:20] <trey3> no0tic, should be fine... I have libmetacity 2.9.5 and metacity 2.9.3 installed right now...
[05:21] <trey3> no0tic, issue is gone...
[05:21] <mischa> randabis-laptop: why can't i use the application:/// link in nautilus in hoary..??
[05:21] <auto> hello
[05:21] <auto> had a quick question
[05:21] <randabis-laptop> oh that's another thing
[05:21] <stvn> Pluk: powerbutton.sh doesn't seem to shut my laptop down completely either
[05:21] <auto> when i upgraded to hoary i lost the email checker applet
[05:21] <randabis-laptop> you can't use it because the way gnome does menus has changed
[05:21] <auto> is there anyway to get it back?
[05:21] <maldito> how do I get my kernel to use all of my memory?
[05:21] <mischa> how can i edit my menu now?
[05:22] <randabis-laptop> mischa it's a nasty procedure...it's possible but I haven't been able to stomach all the reading it takes at freedesktop.org
[05:22] <mischa> aha...
[05:22] <Pluk> stvn, ah ok. its just cuz if i close the lid its set to only shut the screen off
[05:23] <LinuxJones> maldito, the kernel is very good @ using only the resources it needs
[05:23] <Pluk> maybe its the same with jono
[05:23] <stvn> mischa: basically you need to add a .desktop at the proper place ;)
[05:23] <mischa> randabis-laptop: must i wait till they are ready?
[05:23] <maldito> I have a gig of ram and it complains and tells me to use a himem kernel
[05:23] <mischa> not in hoary
[05:23] <madsen> Help! Again...
[05:23] <LinuxJones> maldito, are you running hoary ?
[05:23] <randabis-laptop> mischa I believe an applet or something is being made to handle the menus to make it easier, not sure
[05:23] <maldito> it only loads up 900MB
[05:24] <mischa> stvn:smal example?
[05:24] <jono> stvn, #5828
[05:24] <stvn> jono: ta
[05:24] <maldito> I am new to ubuntu, moved over from fedora
[05:24] <randabis-laptop> trey3 since when?
[05:24] <mischa> randabis-laptop:aha
[05:24] <madsen> We've given up on OpenGL and are now trying to make the freaking thing do something as simple as to play a cd... Gnome-cd just hangs and grip plays but doesn't output a sound! (?)
[05:24] <jono> Pluk, hmmm
[05:25] <LinuxJones> maldito, cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal
[05:25] <trey3> randabis, like I said... I take that back... getting confused with help being given to warty and hoary users  ;)
[05:25] <jono> I dont get any suspend/resume on this laptop either
[05:25] <randabis-laptop> hehe
[05:26] <jono> brb
[05:26] <mischa> randabis-laptop: have you got suspend/resume going on you laptop?
[05:26] <randabis-laptop> haven't tried so I'm not sure
[05:26] <stvn> mischa: I wrote a .desktop for qgis, the file and the procedure is at: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1084647&group_id=55820&atid=478378
[05:27] <randabis-laptop> well actually I think it did work, but I've since then turned off power management
[05:27] <randabis-laptop> I'm plugged into the wall because my battery is dead
[05:27] <mischa> mine to :)
[05:27] <stvn> mischa: ignore the bit about mime and xml
[05:27] <mischa> dell :)
[05:27] <mischa> stvn:ok, tanx
[05:27] <randabis-laptop> gateway solo 2250...old school
[05:28] <randabis-laptop> hehe
[05:28] <maldito> It says 906732 kB
[05:28] <tritium> sweet, trey3 is going to fix metacity ;)
[05:28] <LinuxJones> maldito, then your system is finding your 1 gig of ram
[05:29] <trey3> tritium, grrr  :(
[05:29] <maldito> but not using it all
[05:29] <maldito> 1 gig of ram is not 906732
[05:29] <trey3> tritium, I sooo would... if I knew how... have pleanty of time too  :(
[05:29] <tritium> trey3, shouldn't you be studying?
[05:29] <trey3> tritium, I sooo am  8)
[05:29] <trey3> tritium, sorta kinda
[05:30] <neofeed> where do I place stuff like 'XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1' if I want that to be a global parameter for my session?
[05:30] <randabis-laptop> inaction is a weapon of mass destruction
[05:30] <neofeed> what files does GDM run?
[05:30] <trey3> tritium, heh... leaving in like an hour to go get study guides etc for final  ;)
[05:30] <tritium> finals?  where are you?
[05:31] <madsen> Hmm, no one knows anything about playing cd's not working on Warty?
[05:31] <trey3> neofeed, in ~/.bashrc or export $THAT_WHAT_YOU_TYPED=1 for only current session
[05:31] <randabis-laptop> all of my music is on hard media so I dunno
[05:31] <trey3> tritium, all year college...
[05:31] <neofeed> trey3, is that going to be loaded when I start gnome too?
[05:31] <trey3> neofeed, uhh... no
[05:32] <neofeed> so where do i put those ?
[05:32] <trey3> neofeed, that would be in .xsession I believe?
[05:32] <maldito> any ideas?
[05:32] <trey3> seems a likely place  :/
[05:32] <PotajiTo> wenas
[05:32] <trey3> That must mean hello is some language?
[05:33] <tritium> maldito, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-21.1496455883
[05:33] <crypticreign> tritium: trey3 here is my post http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12413
[05:34] <crypticreign> about cd burner
[05:34] <LinuxJones> madsen, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MultimediaHOWTO#cd-player
[05:34] <maldito> thanks!
[05:34] <tritium> sure
[05:34] <madsen> LinuxJones: Hey, thanks! :)
[05:35] <tritium> crypticreign, hopefully somebody will have some good input for you
[05:35] <crypticreign> i hope :)
[05:36] <lerio> hi everybody. question: what happens if i remove the linux-386 package when i already have the linux-686?
[05:36] <tritium> lerio, it'll remove the old kernel
[05:36] <lerio> tritium: no harm or should i check something before?
[05:36] <randabis-laptop> but it will keep the config files unless you do apt-get --purge remove
[05:36] <trey3> crypticreign, just out of curiosity... why is the "ATAPI" part there? also....you might as well define speed also... other then that... it IS being detected... just not via apps...
[05:37] <tritium> lerio, have you already booted safely into the 686 kernel?
[05:37] <crypticreign> tritium: im leaving for Ukraine Thursday, so trying to burn copies of my cd's
[05:37] <randabis-laptop> or the equivalent in synaptic
[05:37] <crypticreign> trey3: tritium said to put that there, he has it in his config file
[05:37] <trey3> crypticreign, strange  :/
[05:37] <tritium> crypticreign, I hope it works out
[05:37] <lerio> tritium: i guess so.. i did the upgrade some time ago. how do i check it?
[05:37] <tritium> lerio, uname -r
[05:37] <NanoTek> KiKoo !!
[05:37] <trey3> crypticreign, but then he didn't even say the right command for -scanbus  8)
[05:38] <tritium> trey3, yes I did
[05:38] <MainVoid> lerio: uname -a
[05:38] <tritium> and that's a valid config
[05:38] <trey3> tritium, nope... dev=ATAPI never worked  :/
[05:38] <tritium> trey3, it works just fine for me
[05:38] <lerio> tritium MainVoid: yes, it's 686 already
[05:38] <trey3> tritium, eh... he said the output... never mentioned device...
[05:39] <tritium> lerio, then you should be fine
[05:39] <Lovecraft> A short question:  How dependant on X is ubuntu?
[05:39] <tritium> trey3, what are you complaining about?
[05:39] <trey3> Lovecraft, depends... via default... very
[05:39] <daniels> Lovecraft: it's not
[05:39] <lerio> tritium: i guess that same goes for the restricted modules
[05:39] <tritium> lerio, yes
[05:39] <trey3> Lovecraft, enter 'custom' on install prompt... and you need not even install...
[05:40] <lerio> tritium: last question :) i'm in Hoary now. has it been completely upgraded to Python2.4 already? is it safe to remove the 2.3 packages?
[05:40] <klaym> what's the best videoplayer for ubuntu?
[05:40] <randabis-laptop> x and ubuntu are merely playmates
[05:41] <randabis-laptop> totem-xine hehe
[05:41] <trey3> lerio, safe yes... apparently some don't recommend it though...
[05:41] <Lovecraft> Ubuntu is based on Debian?
[05:41] <tritium> lerio, I'm not sure what may still depend on python 2.3 packages
[05:41] <Vjaz> Lovecraft: yes
[05:41] <Phineas> Lovecraft, yup
[05:41] <trey3> Lovecraft, yes
[05:41] <trey3> haha
[05:41] <randabis-laptop> yes Debian 3.1 to be exact
[05:41] <Phineas> lol
[05:42] <lerio> tritium, trey: ok, i'll leave it there. thanks guys
[05:42] <jdub> Lovecraft: yes, it's a branch of sid.
[05:42] <Lovecraft> Just looking for something new to try.  Debian is getting to be more into X dependancies all the time.
[05:42] <trey3> randabis, thats what it says in /etc/debian-release... they track sid though..
[05:42] <tritium> lerio, you're welcome.
[05:42] <randabis-laptop> trey yeah I know
[05:42] <Lovecraft> Alright ... thanks, guys.
[05:43] <randabis-laptop> we're actually ahead of sid though :)
[05:43] <thenuke> CS.
[05:43] <thenuke> wrong channel
[05:43] <trey3> randabis, on many things... yup  :)
[05:43] <madsen> Ok, gnome-cd doesn't stall any more at least...
[05:43] <madsen> But still no sound.
[05:43] <trey3> randabis, but most are still in experimental at least...
[05:43] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[05:43] <madsen> And no (working) FreeDB lookup.
[05:43] <klaym> ok. I have totem, and have installed w32codecs, gstreamer and xine-ui. totem still won't play any videos and gives an unknown error. should I boot after installing the codecs? or is there something I'm still missing?
[05:44] <jdub> klaym: install totem-xine, not xine-ui
[05:44] <stvn> klaym: did you install totem-xine?
[05:44] <klaym> apt-get install totem-xine?
[05:44] <stvn> yep
[05:44] <randabis-laptop> the xine backend to totem works much better than the gstreamer backend
[05:44] <klaym> ok thanks
[05:44] <randabis-laptop> hah
[05:44] <madsen> trey3: lol
[05:44] <MainVoid> lol
[05:44] <randabis-laptop> totem is pr0n ready :)
[05:45] <stvn> the annoying part of mplayer is that it doesn't stop the screensaver from kicking in
[05:45] <tritium> crypticreign, despite what trey3 says, ATAPI is valid
[05:45] <trey3> randabis, eh... always argues with me about codecs...
[05:45] <madsen> stvn: Just make a wrapper-script for it...
[05:45] <trey3> tritium, I didn't say you were wrong.. I asked why its there...
[05:45] <stvn> madsen: too much trouble, totem can handle the pr0n just as fin
[05:45] <madsen> Arg, somebody reveal to me the secrets of getting any sound out of gnome-cd.
[05:46] <madsen> stvn: Hehe
[05:46] <madsen> stvn: A 3-line wrapper... No problem at all...
[05:46] <stvn> madsen: check volume manager for CD sound level ;)
[05:46] <madsen> stvn: Already did... It's up.
[05:47] <klaym> now that I'm apt-getting totem-xine, terminal prompts me this: the following packages will be REMOVED: totem-gstreamer ubuntu-desktop   <- he's not removing my desktop right? :)
[05:47] <randabis-laptop> check and make sure gnome-cd is used esd
[05:47] <trey3> klaym, thats fine
[05:47] <stvn> madsen: it's not fighting with esd?
[05:47] <randabis-laptop> klaym merely a meta-package, no worries
[05:47] <madsen> stvn: I don't know... xine and friends works fine...
[05:47] <klaym> yea, just made sure
[05:47] <randabis-laptop> madsen try killall esd and then use gnome-cd
[05:47] <trey3> klaym, ubuntu-desktop is a meta package... only depends on other packages, contains nothing... totem-gstreamer is the default totem... but the xine backend is more capable today...
[05:48] <klaym> ok thanks
[05:48] <stvn> madsen: or if randabis-laptop suggestoin fails try esd and run gnome-cd
[05:48] <madsen> randabis-laptop: Nope, nothing...
[05:49] <randabis-laptop> run esd again
[05:49] <madsen> stvn: Nothing either.
[05:49] <trey3> madsen, try plugin the speakers into CDROM itself  ;)
[05:49] <madsen> randabis-laptop: --^
[05:49] <madsen> trey3: Hehe
[05:49] <stvn> madsen: don't you need a cable from the cd-player to your soundcard?
[05:49] <madsen> stvn: I've never needed one before.
[05:50] <trey3> madsen, heh... no really... I've had alsa figure it out before... but without a cable connecting cdrom to sound, thats the easiest way...
[05:50] <madsen> stvn: Even though it _can_ actually rip from the dvd/cdrom.
[05:50] <randabis-laptop> uh you do...it's inside you computer
[05:51] <madsen> randabis-laptop: I've done it without before... I'm pretty sure, even though I'm not 100% sure.
[05:51] <madsen> trey3: Did you just support my claim or...?
[05:51] <trey3> madsen, via some players you don't (WMP comes to mind... and I believe even kscd) but gnome-cd won't "bridge" that...
[05:51] <trey3> madsen, depends, what was your claim?
[05:51] <randabis-laptop> you won't get cd audio without a cd audio cable going from your cdrom to the sound card...it's inside the computer
[05:52] <madsen> trey3: Exactly what you just said. :)
[05:52] <trey3> madsen, oh... then I guess I did  8)
[05:52] <madsen> randabis-laptop: Uhm, xine plays the cd-audio just fine.
[05:52] <randabis-laptop> then use that I guess
[05:52] <madsen> randabis-laptop: Sure, it just sucks to have to start xine, but I guess it'll do.
[05:53] <madsen> Thanks for the help.
[05:53] <madsen> trey3: Second! :)
[05:53] <stvn> goobox
[05:53] <stvn> ^'update' for gnome-cd IIRC
[05:53] <tritium> it's going to be replaced by either soundjuicer or another app
[05:53] <trey3> stvn, eh... I have rhythmbox for that stuff...
[05:53] <stvn> never use gnome-cd anyway ;)
[05:54] <trey3> stvn, actually... wasn't goobox competing with sound-juicer for a place in gnome?
[05:54] <madsen> tritium: That would be "a ripper".
[05:54] <randabis-laptop> I like rhythmbox but it organizes my music all funky hehe
[05:54] <stvn> trey3: rhythmbox still has troubles with managing my musiccollection over nfs
[05:54] <tritium> madsen, soundjuice will be able to play CDs as well
[05:54] <randabis-laptop> I wish it would just organize it by my directory structure
[05:54] <stvn> trey3: oh.. could be, was something cd-related
[05:55] <stvn> randabis-laptop: second that
[05:55] <stvn> also it would be nice if you could add songs to the current playlist in rhythmbox
[05:55] <trey3> stvn, yeah... read ... Davyds blog... related to "GNOME 2.10 preview" or whatever... he mentions that...
[05:55] <trey3> stvn, uhh... you can?
[05:55] <stvn> trey3: I read it, just forgot the details ;)
[05:55] <randabis-laptop> yeah it's annoying how it organizes by artist...not all my music has the artist name
[05:56] <trey3> randabis, It can order by many details...
[05:56] <tritium> madsen, http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/
[05:56] <randabis-laptop> yeah but any of them still turns the list funky
[05:56] <stvn> trey3: you can add to the current playlist?
[05:56] <randabis-laptop> it should just do by directory
[05:56] <tritium> madsen, scroll down to Sound Juicer and Goobox
[05:57] <trey3> randabis-laptop, each of those groups (genre, artist, album etc) are things you can group by
[05:57] <randabis-laptop> i know
[05:57] <madsen> Hmm, how the hell do I make xine play a cd from a cmd line?
[05:57] <randabis-laptop> but I'm saying it should do it by directory instead
[05:57] <madsen> I've tried 'xine cd://', but that doesn't really work. :(
[05:57] <mischa> did you huygs know that if you power up your connected camera (Pannasonic DMC-FX7) you get fotoalbum in gnome, but if you then turn off the power of your camera the pc (laptop) freeses...have to do reboot the :)
[05:58] <trey3> stvn, Just "Load from file" and it adds to current listings...
[05:59] <stvn> trey3: ah yes, but if i want to add an album from within RB, it's not possible
[05:59] <mischa> xine /cdrom ?
[05:59] <stvn> the trouble is that there's no 'current playlist'
[05:59] <madsen> mischa: Interesting proposal....
[05:59] <calamari> hi
[05:59] <mischa> had it this morning///%)
[05:59] <trey3> stvn, then maybe you are right... I'm usually listening to PLS streams... minimal playing with local files...
[06:00] <stvn> trey3: ok
[06:00] <madsen> mischa: However... It didn't work. :(
[06:00] <calamari> is it possible to adjust the networking settings?  when I start, for example, a synaptic download my ssh connections become unresponsive and sometimes even give up
[06:00] <mischa> madsen:)
[06:00] <trey3> stvn, certainly an enhancement if it can't yet...
[06:00] <calamari> (I'm on dialup, so there is limited bandwidth)
[06:01] <Mamorook> I just installed Ubuntu and am having difficulty getting my ubuntu box to communicate with my winxp box
[06:01] <mischa> madsen: xine file:/cdrom
[06:01] <trey3> Mamorook, find a good samba howto.. there is way too much to cover to help in an IRC channel...
[06:02] <Mamorook> It's not a samba problem.
[06:02] <Mamorook> I haven't gotten that far.
[06:02] <mischa> madsen: man xine /MRL
[06:02] <trey3> Mamorook, where are you at?
[06:02] <madsen> mischa: I'll give it a shot :)
[06:02] <Mamorook> My windows box and my linux box can't ping each other.
[06:02] <Mamorook> I'm at my windows box.  But my linux box is right beside me.
[06:02] <trey3> Mamorook, ahh... nic is up on linux box?
[06:03] <Mamorook> Says it is.
[06:03] <trey3> Mamorook, what says it is? what does it say?
[06:03] <Mamorook> Er...  I mean it shows up under ifconfig.
[06:03] <madsen> mischa: Sorry, no luck either.
[06:03] <trey3> Mamorook, cuz yeah... if they are on the same network... there is NO reason they can't at least ping each other  :/
[06:03] <snowblink> Mamorook: ifconfig -a; netstat -rn
[06:04] <mischa> madsen: according to man that should do the trick ??
[06:04] <madsen> mischa: Heh, I see... But try showing that manual page to xine. :-p
[06:04] <mischa> madson: you'l have to mount /cdrom first though
[06:05] <madsen> mischa: Oh!
[06:05] <Mamorook> Hmm.... that's strange...  nothing in the routing table.
[06:05] <mischa> madson: mount /cdrom && xine file:/cdrom
[06:06] <madsen> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[06:06] <madsen>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:06] <snowblink> Mamorook: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:06] <madsen> mischa: One would think that the cdda:// MRL should do the trick without mounting it.
[06:06] <Mamorook> still nothing in the route table.
[06:07] <mischa> madsen:yeah
[06:07] <snowblink> Mamorook: can you get your networking app open?
[06:07] <subterrific> there is something seriously wrong with the latest metacity in hoary, hehe
[06:07] <Kokey> Where can i see the details of the Metacity bug?
[06:08] <Mamorook> You mean the one under Computer > System Configuration > Networking?
[06:08] <snowblink> Mamorook: yup
[06:08] <William_Cain> Hello.
[06:08] <mischa> madsen:im out of ideas...sry :(
[06:08] <Mamorook> Yes I can.
[06:08] <William_Cain> A quick question: What is Hotplug?
[06:08] <mischa> madsen: one moore ->google
[06:08] <mischa> A hot Plug
[06:08] <snowblink> Mamorook: check your network settings in there. Possible you missed setting a gateway.
[06:08] <mischa> :)
[06:09] <mischa> sry
[06:09] <trey3> William_Cain, mechanism for detecting devices connected after boot...
[06:09] <madsen> mischa: Hehe, thanks. But I've been there already... Fscking xine!
[06:09] <William_Cain> Ok, because it fails to load during boot.
[06:09] <William_Cain> Is that bad?
[06:09] <MainVoid> William_Cain: does it fail loading hw_random.ko or something like that?
[06:10] <mischa> William_Cain-> Permission Denied   stuff ??
[06:10] <William_Cain> Should I note down which modules that fail?
[06:10] <William_Cain> Two serious errors occur.
[06:10] <trey3> William_Cain, add shpchp  and pciehp to /etc/hotplug/blacklist  ... restart -> still fails?
[06:10] <Mamorook> It has nothing set under gateway.
[06:10] <William_Cain> Ah, that's the two!
[06:10] <mischa> that;s it :)
[06:11] <tritium> William_Cain, no need to worry, then.  But, you can add them to your blacklist
[06:11] <tritium> if you want the messages to go away
[06:11] <snowblink> Mamorook: do you have DHCP on your network?
[06:11] <William_Cain> Ok, great.
[06:11] <Mamorook> No.  Both my linux box and windows box have static IP
[06:11] <snowblink> Mamorook: HUB or crossover?
[06:12] <mischa> madsen:ROGER
[06:12] <sangriag> Hi Chris
[06:12] <Mamorook> Crossover.
[06:12] <mischa> have to go , bye all
[06:12] <snowblink> Mamorook: set the gateway to the winxp IP address
[06:12] <William_Cain> Another thing. I want to install drivers for the Promise SATA controller integrated in my Asus A7V8X motherboard.
[06:12] <William_Cain> They're supposed to reside here: http://www.promise.com/support/download/download2_eng.asp?productId=8&category=driver&os=100
[06:12] <William_Cain> Which one should I choose?
[06:13] <Mamorook> Done.
[06:13] <snowblink> Mamorook: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart; netstat -rn
[06:13] <MainVoid> trey3: got any ideas on getting osund working on this laptop of mine?
[06:14] <Mamorook> Okay.  Now it shows up under the routing table.
[06:14] <snowblink> Mamorook: good. Try pinging to the winxp box
[06:14] <Mamorook> Still nothing.
[06:14] <trey3> MainVoid, what have you checked?
[06:15] <edwardb> are u pinging by name or ip
[06:15] <MainVoid> trey3: checking the loaded modules right now...
[06:15] <MainVoid> trey3: is alsa the default in ubuntu?
[06:15] <trey3> MainVoid, still supports OSS modules via emulation...
[06:16] <MainVoid> trey3: ok..
[06:16] <MainVoid> trey3: Hmm.. there's a shedload loaded already, in regards to sound.. just doesn't play anything..
[06:16] <Mamorook> I'll try.  It'll take a minute.  Since I have no way of moving text from my linux box to this one, I'll have to type it all by hand.
[06:17] <trey3> MainVoid, shedload?
[06:18] <snowblink> Mamorook: you also need to check the networking on your windows box
[06:18] <crypticreign> apt says "Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:18] <crypticreign> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907"
[06:18] <MainVoid> trey3: well,  lsmod | grep snd | wc -l returns 9.. which isn't too bad I suppose.. ;)
[06:18] <crypticreign> do i need to acquire a key?
[06:19] <MainVoid> trey3: I'm keeping on digging about here.. I'll see if I can figure something out...
[06:19] <snowblink> crypticreign: no
[06:20] <trey3> MainVoid, umm... not really helpful... haha... cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp to see if sound is working at all
[06:20] <snowblink> Mamorook:
[06:20] <Mamorook> Before I installed Ubuntu, it had WinXP.  ANd the two boxes could communicate fine.  Since installing Ubuntu, I haven't changed the settings on the remaining box at all.
[06:20] <crypticreign> snowblink: how do i get rid of that message?
[06:20] <MainVoid> trey3: tho the "multimedia systems slector" thingy has troubles with both the ALSA and OSS output. ESD is fine, according to it, tho still a silent laptop...
[06:21] <trey3> MainVoid, did you try what I just said?
[06:21] <trey3> MainVoid, cuz then we can move up the stack to see whats wrong  :)
[06:21] <snowblink> crypticreign: get the keys. ;) But you don't need them
[06:21] <MainVoid> trey3: just did.. not even a beep, scratch or anything..
[06:21] <Tortoose> hi!
[06:21] <tritium> snowblink, doesn't it say to run apt-get update again to fix?
[06:21] <trey3> MainVoid, k... thats bad...
[06:22] <MainVoid> trey3: yeah.. that's what I thought.. ;)
[06:22] <trey3> MainVoid, stupid question... checked physical sound levels? PCM level?
[06:22] <MainVoid> trey3: yup..
[06:22] <trey3> MainVoid, and you're positive module is correct (its worked before?)
[06:22] <crypticreign> tritium: it does.. but that dosnt work
[06:22] <tritium> crypticreign, it will.  Keep trying.
[06:22] <MainVoid> trey3: and when running the tests in that mm selector, I do get something happening on the VU meter..
[06:23] <MainVoid> trey3: not sure about the modules, just thought I'd check if sound is working..
[06:23] <grepper> tritium: morning
[06:23] <MainVoid> trey3: I justinstalled ubuntu the other day, and haven't bothered with sound yet.. ;)
[06:23] <tritium> grepper, hey there
[06:23] <MainVoid> trey3: I do know the hw is ine, since debian played noises on this thing last week.. ;)
[06:23] <grepper> tritium: have you tried the bootsplash* debs from www.bootsplash.de ?
[06:24] <marcin> hello
[06:24] <grepper> postinst script is a bit broken on warty
[06:24] <tritium> grepper, no, I'm going to wait on usplash instead
[06:24] <grepper> ok
[06:24] <marcin> could someone help me and tell how to install plone on hoary?
[06:24] <tritium> what is the postinst script doing?
[06:24] <grepper> creates the initrd, update-rc.d , that sort of stuff
[06:24] <edwardb> does anyone have an idea why sudo wont accept the root password correctly but su - does
[06:24] <tritium> and how is it failing?
[06:25] <MainVoid> edwardb: sudo accepts *your* password, not roots..
[06:25] <tritium> edwardb, what root password?
[06:25] <grepper> in a number of ways :P   some if then routines are broken
[06:25] <tritium> edwardb, did you give root a password?
[06:26] <grepper> tried fixing it, no luck so far, I'll have to do it all by hand  :(
[06:26] <edwardb> mainvoid-thanks
[06:27] <trey3> MainVoid, I don't know... sounds like mixer issues... modules loaded, (whatever it was) did a little dance? ... not sure?
[06:27] <calamari> I have sshd installed, but I'd only like it to be running when I manually start it.  Where is it being loaded from?
[06:27] <trey3> MainVoid, has to be mixer...
[06:28] <MainVoid> edwardb: no probbs.. ;)
[06:28] <tritium> calamari, /etc/init.d/ssh
[06:28] <MainVoid> trey3: Well, checking the volumes, and switching between the devices listed, I still get nothing.. ??
[06:29] <calamari> tritium: thanks
[06:29] <tritium> sure
[06:29] <trey3> MainVoid, what devices are listed? get rid of the oss one maybe? (rmmod blah)
[06:29] <calamari> tritium: did you just know that, or did you figure it out somehow? :)
[06:30] <trey3> calamari, /etc/init.d is a familier dir to most *nix users... you would do good to understand what it is and become familier with it...
[06:31] <edwardb> what is the command line to install debian packages? Or do you use synaptic
[06:31] <Schaap> Hi, I have 2 nics in my system and only one (eth1) shows up network configuration. how do i add eth0? or set it at dhcp?
[06:31] <calamari> trey3: sounds good
[06:31] <wezzer> edwardb: sudo apt-get install gimp
[06:31] <Schaap> apt-get install name
[06:31] <trey3> calamari, its kinda the most important dir on a *nix system (on account of without it, the system doesn't run...)
[06:31] <wezzer> for example
[06:31] <tritium> calamari, "dpkg -L" lists where files in a package are located
[06:31] <MainVoid> trey3: AD1981B (OSS) and Intel 82081DB-ICH4 (ALSA) ...
[06:31] <Scooter> Hello Everyone :D , I have to down load a bunch of files from an website, and they only allow one connection at a time, in KDE I use Kget for this, is there a Gnome download manager solution? TIA :)
[06:32] <Scooter> I want to mark a bunch of files to download, and have download manager que them one at a time to download
[06:32] <Riddell> Scooter: you can install kget, or you can use wget on the command line
[06:32] <Scooter> nice :)
[06:33] <Tortoose> hum..does anybody have a clue about an empty KDE menu (with hoary PPC)
[06:33] <Schaap> Oh and is there some sort of ipconfig for Linux?
[06:33] <MainVoid> trey3: hmm.. lsmod | grep 1981 returns nothing...
[06:33] <Riddell> Tortoose: it's a known problem, we're working on it
[06:33] <Schaap> to see what IP i have
[06:34] <Scooter> ok I try useing Kget, I am in XFce, it takes about 20 seconds to load.. i am hopeing it is  not loading all the KDE librarys
[06:34] <edwardb> schaap-ifconfig
[06:34] <Tortoose> Riddell, thanks a lot ;) and thanks for all your work
[06:34] <pe7er> hey, i do wonder about a package... i've once used some distro that came with handy scripts that could for example 'less' files within archives, is there some equivalent for ubuntu? i know it's not much the hassle to do that in a single command line, but i'm a) yet not so geeky that i know all needed switches without doing --help and b) that typework all the time is a bit tiring. some pre-built aliases might suite my needs, too. anybody got a lin
[06:34] <pe7er> k, or even better, package name?
[06:34] <trey3> MainVoid, grep intel instead...
[06:34] <Schaap> lol
[06:34] <Schaap> ok
[06:34] <edwardb> schaap, if one lo appears do an ifconfig -a
[06:34] <Schaap>  ok
[06:35] <Schaap> and the 2 nics in network config ?
[06:35] <MainVoid> anders@laptop:~ $ sudo rmmod snd_intel8x0
[06:35] <MainVoid> Password:
[06:35] <MainVoid> ERROR: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use
[06:35] <MainVoid> GAH!
[06:35] <trey3> ugh... you're not removing that one... thats the alsa module...
[06:35] <trey3> MainVoid, rmmod intel8x0
[06:35] <tritium> pe7er, I'm not sure if I understand your question.  try "dpkg -L <packagename>".  Is that the result you're looking for?
[06:36] <trey3> MainVoid, and the module is 'snd-intel8x0', just lsmod outputs _ instead...
[06:36] <pe7er> tritium: no, sorry, did that, it's hard to make up a good search for that....
[06:36] <MainVoid> ERROR: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use
[06:37] <MainVoid> trey3: doesn't wanna do it capt'n..
[06:37] <tritium> pe7er, search for what?
[06:37] <trey3> MainVoid, whats it saying?
[06:37] <pe7er> tritium: i want something to view for example those packaged doc files in /usr/share/doc... most are placed inside tar.gz archives... i just want to less them
[06:37] <MainVoid> trey3: module is in use, it claims...
[06:37] <tritium> pe7er, zcat
[06:37] <trey3> MainVoid, haha
[06:38] <tritium> pe7er, and then pipe into less or more, or pager of choice
[06:38] <pe7er> tritium: zcat? zcat. thanks :)
[06:38] <trey3> MainVoid, you ended the /dev/dsp thing?
[06:38] <pe7er> tritium: yes, that fits my needs perfectly
[06:38] <tritium> good deal
[06:38] <trey3> trey3, cntrl c
[06:39] <edwardb> apt-get install package reads the package, verifies the package and then states package cannot be found
[06:39] <edwardb> ??
[06:40] <edwardb> -m wont force install even if that error comes up
[06:41] <tritium> metacity bug fix is pending upload :)
[06:41] <godsmoke> hrm -- looks like all of the ubuntu installers kernel panic on this machine
[06:44] <Pluk> godsmoke, your installing on a sata HD or something?
[06:44] <godsmoke> nope
[06:45] <godsmoke> kernel panics at acpi detection
[06:45] <Pluk> in grub you can disable acpi
[06:45] <godsmoke> on array-3, and the release
[06:46] <Pluk> acpi=off
[06:46] <Pluk> that might help somethin
[06:46] <godsmoke> yeah, I did
[06:46] <godsmoke> it paniced at another point then
[06:46] <godsmoke> odd, considering how standard the components in here are
[06:49] <tritium> what's the key I need to hold down on PPC to boot from install CD please?
[06:50] <tritium> I've got it.  Nevermind.  Thanks
[06:51] <jnk> changed warty to hoary in sources.list, and the system got upgraded except for x-window-system-core. I'm wondering what makes this package not upgrade automatically?  (aptitude install x-window-system-core just works)
[06:51] <erGoline> re
[06:51] <godsmoke> jinty: because hoary uses Xorg
[06:51] <godsmoke> jnk*
[06:51] <erGoline> nevyn_: MainVoid : with the CD-R at 4X no problem at all, I'm installing it :)
[06:52] <jnk> godsmoke, yeah so it has to remove xfree... Even "aptitude dist-upgrade" won't upgrade though
[06:52] <Mamorook> Yep.
[06:53] <godsmoke> jnk: what do you mean it "won't upgrade"?
[06:53] <Mamorook> I'm not sure if that connection icon windows places in the systray is a reliable reporter of network activity but when I try to ping my win box from my linux box, it's not showing any inbound activity.
[06:54] <jnk> godsmoke, AFAIK dist-upgrade tells aptitude to upgrade even if this means removing or installing new packages. But "aptitude dist-upgrade" keeps x-window-system-core to the xfree version
[06:54] <MainVoid> trey3: sorry, had ppl at the door...
[06:54] <MainVoid> trey3: yep, killed it.. ;)
[06:54] <MainVoid> erGoline: kewl..
[06:55] <snowblink> Mamorook: Just a thought. Can you ping the interfaces on their own machines?
[06:55] <godsmoke> Mamorook: don't use these visual applet things or any visual tool to do real network diagnostic
[06:56] <Mamorook> Yes, I can.
[06:56] <godsmoke> is your interface up? -- does it have an ip? and the right routes?
[06:56] <Mamorook> Both boxes can ping themselves.
[06:57] <Pluto> ika
[06:57] <Pluto> ola
[06:57] <jnk> godsmoke, anyway it seems I'm wrong: after installing xorg (juste done) if I do "aptitude upgrade" it upgades everything, but doing dist-upgrade it says it won't upgrade gnome-panel
[06:57] <Pluto> ola?
[06:57] <Scooter> my wife just told me to go ping myself
[06:57] <edwardb> installation question, before you can use apt-get, do I have to manually enter the package into the sources.list file
[06:58] <Pluto> Wat?
[06:58] <Pluto> its imposibel
[06:58] <jnk> edwardb, apt worked out of the box for me... just try
[06:58] <edwardb> i have
[06:58] <edwardb> I downloaded a package from the debian site for madplay
[06:58] <edwardb> which sits in my home directory
[06:59] <Scooter> you need to update apt first.... sudo apt-get update
[06:59] <edwardb> yes, but that pulls from a local database file that resides in /etc/apt/
[06:59] <jnk> edwardb, sources.list tells about apt repositories, if you download manually the just use dpkg
[06:59] <Scooter> pulls from the same file as synaptic
[06:59] <jnk> or you can make your own local repository
[07:00] <jnk> (with packages you downloaded manually)
[07:00] <kent> edwardb, it dont work like that. ubunto has most packages debian have, so you dont need to download manually from debian. Just read on ubuntus homepage about how to add "universe and multiverse etc to sources.list" and then update and install. :)
[07:00] <edwardb> okay
[07:00] <edwardb> thanks
[07:08] <spiral> hi
[07:11] <Riddell> Tortoose: do you have gnome installed as well as KDE?
[07:11] <Tortoose> yep, the two
[07:14] <edwardb> Kent-thanks, just updated with a ton of new packages
[07:14] <Tortoose> Riddell, should be ok now ?
[07:14] <Riddell> Tortoose: not yet
[07:15] <Tortoose> oki, is it just for ppc or a global hoary issue ?
[07:15] <bzbb> there is a multiverse, too?
[07:15] <bzbb> crazy
[07:17] <acidmaxd> can anyone give me more information about this? there are incomplete packages in the repository, for example Vega Strike (the game). There are vegastrike-data and vegastrike-music, but not the main package...
[07:18] <acidmaxd> the game is not usable without the main package :(
[07:18] <Schaap> Hi, I have 2 nics in my system and only one (eth1) shows up network configuration. how do i add eth0? or set it at dhcp?
[07:19] <acidmaxd> Schaap: probably the NIC is of not supported type
[07:19] <MainVoid> acidmaxd: best option is prob to talk to the maintainer of that package...
[07:19] <acidmaxd> probably linux doesn't have drivers for it...
[07:19] <MainVoid> Schaap: have u tried ifconfig eth0?
[07:20] <acidmaxd> Maintainer: Mike Furr<EMAIL_ADDRESS>, ahem
[07:20] <MainVoid> Schaap: or, if u wanna use dhcp, tried dhclient eth0?
[07:20] <MainVoid> acidmaxd: Oooppss.. ;)
[07:20] <Schaap> not yet MainVoid | acidmaxd, when i do ip addr both show up
[07:20] <acidmaxd> universe/multiverse ... better not touch this :)
[07:21] <Schaap> i just dont know what what is yet though
[07:21] <Schaap> ill run towards it now
[07:21] <Schaap> btw whats a good IRC client?
[07:21] <acidmaxd> Schaap: i use irssi in console
[07:21] <randabis> xchat, irssi
[07:21] <tritium> xchat in gnome is nice
[07:21] <MainVoid> Schaap: if u do `sudo dhclient eth0` u should get an dynamic ip, if u have a dhcp server on ur net..
[07:21] <acidmaxd> xchat is good one for X
[07:22] <Skid> anyon got a pioneer a105 dvd-r working with ubunut ?
[07:22] <Skid> unbuntu even
[07:22] <randabis> there's bitchx too
[07:22] <MainVoid> Skid: have one working in debian... ;)
[07:22] <Skid> what drivers does it use?
[07:22] <Skid> I've never setup a dvd/cd writer before
[07:22] <MainVoid> Skid: haven't installed ubuntu on that box..
[07:23] <Skid> should work, seeing as ubuntu is based on debian?
[07:23] <acidmaxd> Skid: me too, sorry. did the installation program detected it (during install) ?
[07:23] <MainVoid> Skid: haven't checked.. it finds it out of the box, so I'd assume the std ide cd drivers..
[07:23] <ernstp> buggy stuff from universe shoudn't be reported in ubuntu's bugzilla, right?
[07:23] <Skid> ay the cd yea
[07:23] <Skid> as
[07:23] <MainVoid> Skid: if it found it during install, and reported it properly, it should work just fine..
[07:23] <Skid> it's deteched the CD-ROM
[07:23] <Skid> well, the burner
[07:23] <acidmaxd> ernstp: it should be reported to debian unstable maintainers i guess
[07:23] <Skid> ut im not sure if it's picked it up as a bunrer
[07:24] <Skid> I installed it off that device mind
[07:24] <Skid> what dvd burner software do you use?
[07:24] <ernstp> but does the Debian maintainers like when someone reports that something crashes in ubuntu hoary and haven't tested it in debian?
[07:24] <MainVoid> skid, xcdroast on my deb box reports it just fine as a DVD burner..
[07:24] <acidmaxd> Skid: k3b
[07:24] <ernstp> acidmaxd, but.. (see above)
[07:25] <acidmaxd> ernstp: dunno, sorry
[07:25] <MainVoid> ernstp: I'd think they'd ignore u, or in worst case even reply back, with a suitable comment..
[07:25] <MainVoid> :P
[07:25] <no0tic> hi
[07:25] <no0tic> metacoty doesn't come up automatically at gnome start
[07:25] <ernstp> anyway, watch out for libflash-mozplugin
[07:25] <acidmaxd> ernstp: somewhere on the site there is documentation about this
[07:25] <no0tic> s/metacoty/metacity
[07:25] <Skid> acidmaxd: does that require KDE to be installed? I don't like it, so stick with fluxbox/gnome
[07:25] <ernstp> makes firefox and mozilla crash hard on some sites.
[07:26] <estebandido> hello.... i have a question about samba
[07:26] <acidmaxd> Skid: no, just a bunch of libraries like Qt
[07:26] <Skid> ah, neat
[07:26] <ernstp> acidmaxd, this is such a friendly channel so I thought I'd ask here :-)
[07:26] <no0tic> no0tic: how can I do?
[07:26] <Skid> christ, heh
[07:26] <Skid> enough packages? :P
[07:26] <acidmaxd> ernstp: i've just landed here... first visit :)
[07:27] <estebandido> is samba installed by default? i see lots of files, but networking config says it's not there
[07:27] <ernstp> acidmaxd, now that gnome on hoary is usable again I'm starting to run ubuntu more and more.
[07:27] <zenrox> estebandido,  no
[07:28] <estebandido> then what are all the files about_
[07:28] <estebandido> ?
[07:28] <zenrox> estebandido,  do a sudo apt-get install samba
[07:28] <zenrox> estebandido,  do a sudo apt-get install smbfs
[07:28] <estebandido> i will... as soon as i can get it to dial up
[07:28] <tritium> estebandido, they're part of samba-common
[07:28] <estebandido> i have to boot back into windows to conect to the internet
[07:29] <zenrox> estebandido,  what type of modem you have??
[07:29] <acidmaxd> ernstp: when was gnome unusable?!
[07:29] <estebandido> crappy winmodem
[07:29] <zenrox> estebandido,  you teconaly can get that to work
[07:30] <estebandido> with the driver from conexant?
[07:30] <Skid> also, i've never used linux on a desktop, is ntfs writing stable yet?
[07:30] <no0tic> anyone can help me with metacity?
[07:30] <Skid> when I used it on my laptop, it wasn't
[07:30] <MainVoid> Skid: not yet..
[07:30] <Skid> balls :/
[07:30] <zenrox> estebandido,  om maby but thare is a package file some whare thats for winmodems
[07:31] <estebandido> really? any idea what it's called?
[07:31] <zenrox> nope
[07:31] <estebandido> i'll give it a look after lunch
[07:31] <ernstp> acidmaxd, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4794
[07:31] <estebandido> gotta go, but i'll be back
[07:31] <zenrox> ok
[07:31] <ernstp> acidmaxd, a bit too annoying for me..
[07:31] <phos4us> no0tic: whats up with metacity?
[07:32] <no0tic> phos4us: I upgraded to 2.9.5 (Hoary) and gave me probelms, I downgraded it to 2.9.3 but now it doesn't start with gnome start
[07:33] <tritium> phos4us, there's a bug listed in the topic
[07:33] <acidmaxd> ernstp: well, i run warty :) i prefer stability over bleeding-edge software
[07:33] <phos4us> Just trying to help
[07:34] <erGoline> Question: ubuntu when should detect my D-Link DWL-650 WLAN? During the first seyp stage or after installing the packages?
[07:34] <ernstp> acidmaxd, I'm tripple-booting. gentoo and fedora also. they're really stable, so when I tired something new (ubuntu) I could just as well try the unstable branch
[07:35] <acidmaxd> ernstp: i needed a linux distribition for both desktop and server usage. fedora doesn't seem stable, and i don't like receiving latest versions of all the software as updates
[07:36] <acidmaxd> security updates is enough
[07:36] <ernstp> oops..
[07:36] <ernstp> acidmaxd, killed my window.
[07:36] <boxemall> hi folks
[07:36] <boxemall> im very interested in ubuntu
[07:36] <acidmaxd> ernstp: i needed a linux distribition for both desktop and server usage. fedora doesn't seem stable, and i don't like receiving latest versions of all the software as updates
[07:37] <acidmaxd> security updates is enough
[07:37] <boxemall> for this reason i downloaded me the live cd (warty warthog)
[07:37] <boxemall> but i don't get any mouse or keyboard support
[07:37] <boxemall> on my girlfriends machin it works
[07:37] <pvh> Is there any way to combine two ext2/3 partitions?
[07:37] <boxemall> what can i do?
[07:37] <thenuke> acidmaxd: :o should not take that long to upgrade whole distro by downloading
[07:37] <spiral> boxemall: USB keyboard ?
[07:37] <boxemall> no usb keyboard
[07:37] <boxemall> just as usual ps2
[07:38] <spiral> boxemall: a ps2 keyboard doesn't work ? damn it... So you can't do anything to install or is it just postinstall ?
[07:38] <pvh> (Combine/merge... They both have data on them.)
[07:38] <acidmaxd> thenuke: here, in Bulgaria it will take a while :))
[07:38] <boxemall> i did not install so far i just tryed out the live cd
[07:39] <IRCMonkey_> zdravo
[07:39] <boxemall> so now even this live cd doesn't work im afraid of installing
[07:39] <acidmaxd> "zdravo" ?
[07:39] <boxemall> zdravo is yugo croatian
[07:39] <boxemall> means hello
[07:39] <acidmaxd> in Bulgarian too :)
[07:39] <IRCMonkey_> no
[07:39] <Vjaz> Is lyx-common currently broken?
[07:39] <boxemall> yeah?
[07:40] <boxemall> cool
[07:40] <thenuke> acidmaxd: define a while :P
[07:40] <Vjaz> In hoary.
[07:40] <IRCMonkey_> its not hello it is salute
[07:40] <boxemall> yeah even thats right
[07:40] <thenuke> acidmaxd: I have been used to download some things for a few days
[07:40] <Vjaz> It seems like it requires python=2.3
[07:40] <boxemall> so is there a way to patch the live cd to get it runnin?
[07:40] <acidmaxd> thenuke: for example i've downloaded fedora's 4 CDs for 1 week
[07:41] <Skid> is it possible to show all your harddrives, if some aren't listed in fstab? i..e I can't remember which is my windows partitiom, which is storage, etc etc
[07:41] <Vjaz> python2.3 doesn't work for it either...
[07:41] <thenuke> acidmaxd: yyup, what kind of net do you have :)
[07:41] <acidmaxd> Skid: sudo cfdisk /dev/hda
[07:42] <Skid> ta
[07:42] <acidmaxd> Skid: and the immediately quit, without making any changes
[07:42] <Skid> ya, well their not ide drives, but I get the jist thanks
[07:42] <acidmaxd> thenuke: "cable" net :)
[07:42] <Skid> erm, odd it only shows two
[07:43] <Skid> missing 1 60gig
[07:43] <Skid> :S
[07:43] <acidmaxd> Skid: do you have only one hard drive?
[07:43] <IRCMonkey_> can somebody help me i changed my mice and i cant get him work help
[07:43] <Skid> no heh
[07:43] <Skid> I've 3
[07:43] <Schaap> Great :D all i need now is to figure out Apache 2
[07:43] <acidmaxd> Skid: i mean more than one :)
[07:43] <Skid> stange...
[07:43] <thenuke> Schaap: tried google already?
[07:43] <Skid> i'll mount it and see whats on it
[07:43] <acidmaxd> Skid: well, then sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb , hdc , etc
[07:43] <Skid> oh, of course
[07:43] <Skid> fs
[07:43] <Skid> :0
[07:45] <Skid> once a drive is mounted, you're able to change the permissions to view it aren't you?
[07:45] <Skid> i dont really want to faff this drive up, there's a lot of data on it :)
[07:46] <pvh> Skid: If it's NTFS, it'll be read only.
[07:46] <Skid> yeah, just wondering if I can have my normal user view it, rather than root
[07:46] <pvh> Skid: Yeah, just make it 0222.
[07:46] <Skid> ah, cool
[07:46] <Skid> cheers mate
[07:47] <acidmaxd> IRCMonkey_: maybe 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common' will help
[07:47] <im_ka> hi
[07:47] <pvh> Skid: Not mounting windows by default is a bit of an oversight, one I imagine hoary will correct.
[07:47] <pvh> s/imagine/hope/
[07:47] <im_ka> can someone help me in a semiofftopic question?
[07:47] <acidmaxd> IRCMonkey_: or you need to update your /etc/X11/XF86Config
[07:47] <will> oh reiserFS is going to eat your dog and....goodness its cool!
[07:47] <IRCMonkey_> i did that but nothing
[07:47] <acidmaxd> IRCMonkey_: what type is your new mouse
[07:48] <IRCMonkey_> microsoft ps/2
[07:48] <im_ka> i've bought a supposedtobe silent power supply about a week ago. i installed, it was quite. but now after a week it's just as loud as the old one was. what's the problem?
[07:48] <acidmaxd> im_ka: sure, just ask
[07:48] <irbdavid> hiya, can someone give me a few pointers with my sound. it works, but it's kinda crackly if there are other things going on, eg moving the mouse etc
[07:48] <im_ka> acidmaxd, ^^
[07:49] <acidmaxd> IRCMonkey_: ps/2 or usb?
[07:50] <Skid> also, one more query.. fam isn't updating the application menu for evey app it installs.. is that normal?
[07:50] <irbdavid> i cant find much in the way of options to configre wrt my sound though
[07:51] <irbdavid> and also, where can i put a modprobe command so that it gets included at bootup?
[07:52] <no0tic> aptitude upgrade wants to install linux-386 but it's not needed by any other package...
[07:52] <erGoline> bye
[07:54] <Skid> && does anyone know the package that installs 'rar' with it? I can't install it via apt
[07:57] <Skid> ah nm, i'll just get the binary off rarlabs
[07:57] <no0tic> aptitude upgrade wants to install linux-386 but it's not needed by any other package... ah, apt-get upgrade doesn't
[07:58] <ups> hi
[07:59] <ups> i'm upgrading from warty to hoary, but want to skip openoffice (big package, and my internet is slow). any way to tell that to apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:01] <no0tic> ups:  try to mark as hold those packages
[08:01] <ups> no0tic: how to do that? i'm new to the debian based systems
[08:01] <no0tic> ups: dpkg --get-selections > selections
[08:02] <no0tic> ups: edit selections & find packages names and change the state from install to hold
[08:02] <no0tic> ups: then sudo dpkg --set-selections < selections
[08:02] <ups> ok
[08:03] <ups> no0tic: great, i'll try it. thanks
[08:03] <no0tic> last kernel update from hoary it's safe?
[08:04] <no0tic> better, is the last kernel update from hoary safe?
[08:04] <zAo^> Who can help me with this: /var/log/messages gives me:
[08:04] <zAo^> Oct 15 19:54:35 localhost gconfd (zao-4289): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only configuration source at position 2
[08:07] <jmhodges> hunh.. in the pool, im seeing that in universe, libgtksourceview-cil is in gtksourceview-sharp.. but i dont see a *-sharp in the listing in synaptic (this is hoary universe..)
[08:07] <jmhodges> can someone explain whats going on?
[08:08] <ups> no0tic: awesome, it works just fine... thanks again
[08:08] <AndyR> lo all
[08:09] <crypticreign> the new metacity update in hoary is totall tweaking out my windows
[08:10] <kent> crypticreign, "tweaking out"?
[08:10] <klaym> is it possible to bypass the startup user/password prompt? how about firestarter's prompt? I'd like the startup to be completely automatic, as there isn't really anyone who'd abuse my computer, nor anything top secret on the HD.
[08:10] <crypticreign> yeah when i move a windows, the boarder dissapears
[08:10] <crypticreign> and sometime doesnt come back, and i cant click on the window
[08:11] <whiprush> it's broken, gotta wait for the next upload of it.
[08:11] <crypticreign> ugh
[08:11] <crypticreign> ok
[08:11] <jcoxon77> crypticreign: why don't you downgrade to 2.9.3
[08:11] <jcoxon77> crypticreign: of metacity
[08:11] <crypticreign> how?
[08:12] <jcoxon77> crypticreign: what i did is googled it, found the .deb and downloaded it
[08:12] <jcoxon77> crypticreign: then i used dpkg to install it
[08:12] <crypticreign> oh
[08:12] <kent> shit, and im just upgrading hoary. so, i guess i should not restart metacity then :)
[08:13] <crypticreign> kent: :)
[08:13] <jcoxon77> kent: i don't think they have fixed the bug yet
[08:15] <trey3> The bug fix is getting uploaded soon...
[08:15] <zenrox> hmm thats odd i get a seg fault when i tell xmms to load a dir
[08:16] <Riddell> Tortoose: do you have gnome-menus installed?
[08:16] <njs12345> hmm
[08:16] <njs12345> I'm trying to build dbus from CVS
[08:16] <njs12345> and I get build errors
[08:16] <njs12345> undefined reference to `dbus_internal_do_not_use_generate_bodies`
[08:17] <will> where are the apt-get temporary files located?
[08:17] <crypticreign> jcoxon77: cant seem to find it
[08:17] <ups> will: /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:18] <will> ups: thanks!
[08:18] <ups> will: /var/cache/apt/archives/partial - has the incomplete downloads
[08:18] <ups> np
[08:19] <jcoxon77> crypticreign:go to http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/x11/metacity
[08:19] <crypticreign> jcoxon77: nm i foudn it
[08:19] <ups> seems the metacity upload was just done
[08:19] <Tortoose> Riddell, i lok
[08:19] <Tortoose> i look
[08:20] <crypticreign> ups: was it:
[08:21] <Tortoose> Riddell, I hadn't
[08:21] <Tortoose> Riddell, installing it
[08:21] <trey3> ups, I still see metacity 2.9.5-0ubuntu1 in the archive?
[08:21] <ups> ah
[08:21] <claude> can someone help me with a wifi problem, prolly driver/hardware related
[08:21] <Riddell> Tortoose: not a complete solution I'm afraid, I'm just fact finding.  installing it will give you a limited k-menu but not a complete one
[08:22] <ups> "Accepted metacity 1:2.9.8-0ubuntu1 (source)"
[08:22] <jcoxon77> claude: whats your wifi prob?
[08:22] <tritium> trey3, I just did an update, and "apt-cache policy metacity" shows the new one is avail
[08:22] <ups> i guess only the source
[08:22] <trey3> tritium, just got propagated like 2 secs ago  8)
[08:22] <claude> jcoxon77, I've got a Zyxel ZyAir b-120 and I can't get it seem to 'find' it
[08:23] <jcoxon77> claude: okay, do you know what chipset it has?
[08:23] <claude> jcoxon77, it's got a prims chipset. purdy wide support AFAIK
[08:24] <claude> prism
[08:24] <claude> 2 or 2.5 methinks
[08:25] <jcoxon77> claude: when you run dmesg in the terminal is there any mention of it?
[08:25] <claude> just a sec
[08:26] <crypticreign> popey: hmm, i did a install from cd, then had it installs the warty packges, and then upgrade to hoary in an hour
[08:26] <jcoxon77> claude: apparently its actually a zydas zd1201
[08:26] <setite> hey fella
[08:26] <setite> s
[08:26] <jcoxon77> claude: http://www.amperegeruch.de/wlan/b-120.html
[08:27] <setite> how yall doing this find monday afternoon
[08:27] <setite> actually... its 33 minutes from high noon here... but yea you get the point
[08:28] <claude> jcoxon77, Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:00:0b.0 [1584:3002]
[08:28] <claude> Yenta: ISA IRQ mask 0x0018, PCI irq 5
[08:28] <claude> Socket status: 30000411
[08:28] <claude> NET: Registered protocol family 17
[08:29] <claude> arh... so no wlan for me... ? eveo' it's kindda old by now?
[08:29] <tritium> my new kernel has more mjg59 crack :)
[08:29] <jcoxon77> claude: no i think its possible
[08:29] <repete> Anyone here used the PPC LiveCD?
[08:30] <jcoxon77> claude: if it is a zydas then there is at least a usb driver, cause i just got one working
[08:30] <trey3> I saw this in screenshots... didn't realize it was usable  :o
[08:30] <dud> hi there
[08:30] <AndyR> rebell, no but i would like to but i only have a biege g3
[08:30] <dud> is there a rar for amd64?
[08:30] <claude> jcoxon77, ok, but i'll need help on this though, i'm all new to linux (I'm mostly on FreeBSD)
[08:31] <dud> i get "dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 doe s not appear in package's list (i386)" with apt-get -b source rar
[08:31] <jcoxon77> claude: its funny that you ask cause someone posted on the zydas linux forum about pcmcia support
[08:31] <claude> jcoxon77, lucky, what was the outcome?
[08:32] <jcoxon77> claude: sadly now one has replied, yet
[08:32] <vitaminmoo> 'lo
[08:32] <claude> jcoxon77, dang...
[08:32] <jcoxon77> claude: i'm sure they will, its quite a good forum
[08:32] <jcoxon77> claude: http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/
[08:33] <claude> jcoxon77, cool... so i'll check back in a couple of days?
[08:33] <tritium> trey3, no, actually, 2.9.5ubuntu2 is not in the archive yet
[08:33] <jcoxon77> claude: http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/
[08:33] <jcoxon77> claude: well maybe not... you could perhaps sort it out now
[08:34] <CharlieSu> Are there some good Torrent trackers for ubuntu ?
[08:34] <setite> is there a command besides killall or killall 9 that will close xmms
[08:34] <trey3> tritium, apt-cache show metacity shows it?  (2.9.5-0ubuntu2)
[08:34] <tritium> but I think it'll arrive very soo
[08:34] <tritium> soon
[08:34] <jcoxon77> claude: there are two drivers... the new usb one and also you could use wlan-ng drivers
[08:34] <setite> i was in the middle of a rock out session and it froze
[08:34] <tritium> trey3, no, I was wrong
[08:34] <jcoxon77> claude: which should work...
[08:34] <tritium> but I think it's been uploaded already, so it should be soon
[08:34] <dud> setite, tried xkill?
[08:34] <setite> thats that
[08:34] <setite> how do i do that
[08:34] <claude> jcoxon77, so, i'm gonan go fetch these, and then what?
[08:34] <setite> whats that*
[08:35] <PuGz> does ubuntu have kde? and if not, why not?
[08:35] <CharlieSu> are there Torrents for Ubuntu?
[08:35] <dud> just run xkill and click the window you want to kill with your mouse pointer
[08:35] <setite> ive heard abotu a Kubuntu
[08:35] <setite> but ubuntu chose Gnome... why... because gnome rocks harder than kde
[08:35] <PuGz> indeed it does
[08:35] <PuGz> i was just wondering why not both?
[08:35] <setite> :)... i dunno why... because its easier to work with just one solution?
[08:35] <trey3> tritium, for me... they both show up when I type "apt-cache show metacity"...
[08:35] <PuGz> i like that
[08:36] <jcoxon77> claude: one sec, i'm just checking cause i don't want to was your time
[08:36] <jcoxon77> waste*
[08:36] <claude> jcoxon77, thanks a bunch man...
[08:36] <tritium> trey3, yeah, that's becuase you already have it installed
[08:37] <tritium> look at the version table from apt-cache policy
[08:37] <setite> shit xkill is evil
[08:37] <trey3> tritium, afaik... apt-cache reads from Packages.gz only?
[08:37] <erGoline> hi
[08:37] <setite> hehe i clicked the app bar and it went apeshit
[08:37] <setite> it worked though... thank you dud
[08:37] <setite> you are the man
[08:38] <CharlieSu> is Hoary Stable???
[08:38] <tritium> trey3, no, don't think so
[08:38] <setite> is a gay cuban prostitute stable?
[08:38] <Riddell> PuGz: you can install KDE yes
[08:38] <trey3> CharlieSu, is any Developement branch?
[08:38] <setite> haha... i dont know what i said that...
[08:38] <CharlieSu> trey3, when is its scheduled release date?
[08:38] <PuGz> Riddell: just using apt-get of ubuntu mirrors, or debian mirrors?
[08:38] <setite> ok is there a way to open an app with the terminal
[08:38] <trey3> CharlieSu, April
[08:38] <Riddell> PuGz: using the universe ubuntu respository
[08:39] <setite> that doesnt close when you exit the terminal
[08:39] <vitaminmoo> setite: zsh has a nohup option, not sure about bash, though
[08:39] <PuGz> sweet
[08:39] <erGoline> cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 0000:00:01.4 <<<< ARGH! any help?
[08:39] <setite> whoa... too much unknown info
[08:39] <PuGz> cheers guys... i think i might make the move back to ubuntu
[08:39] <setite> nevermind
[08:39] <morgs> setite: nohup app &
[08:39] <PuGz> (i am one of those distro shifters... cant stay put...)
[08:39] <jcoxon77> claude: hey, i think its best that you wait and see if some one replies to that post. the newer zydas driver is so much better and i'm not even sure if wlan-ng would work
[08:39] <setite> so?
[08:39] <setite> xmms nohup app &
[08:40] <jcoxon77> claude: with a zydas you can even turn it into an access point which is pretty cool...
[08:40] <claude> jcoxon77, can I have the link aagain?
[08:40] <morgs> nohup xmms &
[08:40] <jcoxon77> claude: http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/
[08:40] <setite> shit i think xkill didnt kill all the xmms processes
[08:40] <setite> because xmms wont open now
[08:40] <jcoxon77> claude: good luck and if you need help i'm sure people on here will help
[08:40] <claude> jcoxon77, thanks for your time!
[08:40] <erGoline> I hate All in one LCD PC.. grrr.r..
[08:41] <morgs> ps ax, grep for xmms
[08:41] <setite> what
[08:41] <setite> whats that mean morgs
[08:41] <morgs> in a terminal, type 'ps ax'
[08:42] <tritium> trey3, I can confirm that apt-cache also sees locally installed packages (I installed java-package from debian sid, and it shows up)
[08:42] <setite>  4503 ?        Z      0:24 [xmms]  <defunct>
[08:42] <morgs> look for xmms - the number next to each process is the pid.
[08:42] <setite> ok how do i kill it
[08:42] <morgs> now 'kill -9 4503'
[08:42] <morgs> or whatever the pid happens to be
[08:43] <crypticreign> so is the new metacity
[08:43] <crypticreign> out?
[08:43] <tritium> crypticreign, not quite
[08:43] <tritium> it's been uploaded, so it shouldn't be too long
[08:44] <setite> ah damnit
[08:44] <setite> gonna have to kill x... xmms wont die
[08:45] <seitanan> anybody have a package for (gaim-encryption)http://gaim-encryption.sourceforge.net/ or (OTR)http://www.xelerance.com/mirror/otr/
[08:46] <superted> seitanan: why do you want encryption
[08:46] <seitanan> superted: why not?
[08:46] <setite> killing x didnt do it
[08:46] <setite> ad
[08:46] <setite> fsd
[08:46] <setite> fsd
[08:46] <setite> f
[08:47] <superted> seitanan: well, in this case, because there seems to be no ubuntu package for it.
[08:47] <superted> seitanan: but do you like think the feds are monitoring your conversations?
[08:48] <seitanan> superted: i know and IMHO there should be a package available.. and i don't give a crapp about the feds, i'm more conserned about keeping my private conversations private
[08:52] <seitanan> so am i the onlyone thinking that encrypted IM should be a default feature in any OS?
[08:52] <pvh> seitanan: Nope, there's a gaim plugin.
[08:52] <pvh> seitanan: But of course, the person you're chatting with needs to have it too.
[08:53] <seitanan> pvh: yes i know, and you have to compile it + gaim. if im not mistaken.. i can do it but my friends are not always able to do it
[08:53] <pvh> Can anyone enlighten me to the difference between iCal/vCal?
[08:53] <pvh> seitanan: I thought it was just a userspace plugin, my mistake.
[08:55] <seitanan> pvh: yes i guess a ordinary gaim plugin since that is the default ubuntu IM client
[08:56] <pvh> seitanan: I think you should petition to have it added to ubuntu. I know I'd use it.
[08:59] <seitanan> pvh: yep i'm trying to raise awareness right now, but i don't have a clue about how to get the developers to accept this idea.. i guess ubuntu would get gaim-encryption if debian included it as default
[08:59] <tritium> sladen, you around?
[09:00] <ubhuti> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!
[09:00] <tritium> seitanan, maybe you could volunteer to be the maintainer
[09:00] <smurfslay> hi there
[09:01] <smurfslay> can anyone tell me, where i can find alsaconf on my ubuntu?
[09:02] <tritium> smurfslay, I think you would want alsa-utils
[09:02] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, it was too buggy to install for Warty so it was left out.
[09:02] <trey3> seitanan, add here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DesktopSeedProposals
[09:02] <trey3> seitanan, see what happens  :)
[09:02] <smurfslay> i installed the alsa-utils package
[09:02] <smurfslay> but how to configure my soundcard?!
[09:03] <Tortoose> Riddell, my menu is perfectly fine now
[09:03] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, if the installer doesn't work ....sadly by hand :(
[09:03] <Tortoose> Riddell, it seems complete ;)
[09:03] <smurfslay> hmpf... mkay..
[09:03] <Tortoose> Riddell, and kcontrol now run fine (it was empty too)
[09:03] <pvh> Could someone direct me to a resource on Ubuntu mail setup?
[09:03] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, you may just have to remove the oss modules for your soundcard from being loaded
[09:03] <tritium> pvh, I'm not sure if there is one.
[09:04] <pvh> mail: Perhaps a readme on Linux mail spooling then?
[09:05] <seitanan> trey3: that looks like the right place to put a request :)
[09:05] <djuuss> wouter: vraag hier!
[09:05] <djuuss> wouter ik ben geen grub fan zelf..
[09:06] <pvh> tritium: I don't even know how to find out what mail configuration Ubuntu ships with...
[09:06] <tritium> pvh, did you search the wiki and forums?
[09:07] <pvh> tritium: I started with "ubuntu mail" in google, and searched through ubuntuguide.
[09:07] <smurfslay> LinuxJones, can you tell me, what are the "basic" oss packages?
[09:07] <pvh> tritium: I didn't know there was a good ubuntu wiki for that kind of information.
[09:07] <trey3> seitanan, ahh... its already in supportedseed...
[09:07] <smurfslay> <-- n00b
[09:08] <trey3> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SupportedSeedProposals/view?searchterm=gaim-encryption
[09:08] <tritium> pvh, this is the wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[09:08] <trey3> my bad
[09:08] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, what kind of soundcard do you have ?
[09:08] <trey3> haha... then why is other gaim stuff in DesktopSeed?  :/
[09:08] <tritium> pvh, and this URL is for the forums: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:09] <pvh> tritium: Thanks.
[09:09] <thenuke> djuuss: try #unbuntu-XX where XX is your languagecode like ubuntu-en, es, is, it, fi, whatever
[09:09] <smurfslay> i have a dell inspiron 510m with a Intel onboard Audio (AC 97)
[09:09] <tritium> sure
[09:10] <smurfslay> 82801DB(ICH4)
[09:10] <seitanan> trey3: yes i just noticed that myself..  although otr http://www.xelerance.com/mirror/otr is still missing (i don't) know wich is better)
[09:11] <djuuss> thenuke: there is not ubuntu-nl
[09:11] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, according to the hardware compatibility guide you whould be working already >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards/view?searchterm=sound
[09:11] <thenuke> djuuss: ok. but dont speak nl here anyways
[09:11] <djuuss> roger
[09:11] <will> ahh!! all my mp3s and videos are playing at 2x what the hell is going on?!?!?
[09:12] <seitanan> trey3: anyway i dont care if they use rot13 or whatewer i just wan't some encryption
[09:12] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, have you tried checking your volume controls and make sure nothing is muted or turned down ?
[09:12] <thenuke> djuuss: oh, and there seems to be #ubuntu-nl.. I just had to check..
[09:12] <djuuss> :D
[09:12] <thenuke> so why did you say that there is not?
[09:12] <erGoline> hi again
[09:13] <smurfslay> LinuxJones, i can't adjust the volume.. if i go to the mixer i get the error, that no device is present
[09:13] <trey3> seitanan, seems like otr would be better... states why... under faq...
[09:13] <erGoline> I have some problem configuring X, someone could give me a little help please?
[09:13] <trey3> seitanan, is even a gaim plugin still apparently...
[09:14] <will> ahhh anyone got any ideas on my problem?
[09:14] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, do lsmod | grep  intel8x0 and see if anything is listed
[09:14] <MFen> anyone know where python2.3-svn is?
[09:14] <MFen> *not* -subversion. i know where that one is
[09:14] <MFen> i need the one with pysvn in it