[00:39] <treaver> Hello
[00:40] <treaver> I need help with Ubuntu 12.10 Beta 2. It boots to a black screen and I have to press f1 to show the boot logo. Then after it's booted when I put it in Standby it works perfectly. But when I open computer from standby or press power button it comes back to a blackscreen and I can't do anything.
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> treaver: what video chip do you use?
[00:40] <treaver> Amd?
[00:40] <treaver> I guess
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> treaver: we need to know for sure, running@:  lspci | grep -i vga    will tell you
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> treaver: the fact you aren't aware should be screaming to you to not use prerelease
[00:41] <treaver> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]
[00:41] <treaver> It works perfectly and I have everything backed up except the installs which don't take too long.
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> treaver: is the system a laptop?
[00:42] <treaver> Yes it is
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> treaver: get a wired connection and get fully updated, can help
[00:42] <treaver> I'm updating it now via wireless (It's fast)
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> treaver: you can also use CLI to install the proprietary video driver and it wil be used when you next boot
[00:43] <treaver> Can you give me a command to do that
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> treaver: cool, get the video driver installed too once that's done, should help
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> !ati
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> treaver: again, asking such basic question should be ques to not use prerelease if you can't do basic stuff like that
[00:44] <ActionParsnip> treaver: pre-releases are not for the average user
[00:44] <treaver> I'm learning, I'm also learning to program specifically for linux
[00:45] <treaver> Quick question, I can't find the additional drivers in this release.
[00:46] <treaver> I've installed the video driver before in other releases but never this one
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> treaver: use CLI
[00:47] <treaver> Could you tell me how? I've typed the command CLI and searched for it
[00:47] <treaver> Is it using te command?
[00:49] <treaver> Sweet I found the driver on amd website going to unzip now I guess?
[00:51] <ActionParsnip> treaver: the driver is in the repos
[00:51] <treaver> What's the command to install it
[00:52] <ActionParsnip> treaver: read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[00:52] <ActionParsnip> treaver: the link to that was in the pagfe ubottu gave
[00:54] <treaver> Yeah I type the first 3 commands and it says the files are not found.
[00:54] <treaver> ::: Save backup copy of xorg.conf in case this doesn't work.  Isn't there
[00:55] <ActionParsnip> treaver: sudo apt-get update
[00:55] <ActionParsnip> treaver: sudo apt-get install fglrx fglrx-amdcccle
[00:55] <treaver> Ok
[00:55] <treaver> So this should make the suspend and stuff work perfectly?! !:)
[00:59] <ActionParsnip> treaver: suspend is a weird creature
[00:59] <ActionParsnip> treaver: we'll see
[00:59] <treaver> :)
[01:00] <treaver> I love ubuntu though, I installed it on 19 friends computers so far. They love it too, they said it sped their computer by atleast 10x from the windows switch
[01:00] <treaver> My grandfather and grandmother even use it ;P
[01:01] <ActionParsnip> depends on needs, most folks just want a web browser to look at porn with etc, and ubuntu does that and for free
[01:01] <treaver> Lol :P
[01:02] <ActionParsnip> mind you, most linux distros do that too
[01:03] <treaver> I've made programs for Windows and the switch is kinda hard. But I'm working on something I call GVibre. It's Google Voice with Unity Integrated. Allows for dialing using the dash, checking messages, and so much more. I'm couple months from finishing but I don't know how to add it to Ubuntu Repos
[01:03] <ActionParsnip> treaver: sounds exciting :)
[01:04] <treaver> do you use google voce?
[01:04] <treaver> voice or talk
[01:04] <ActionParsnip> i use irc, thats pretty much it
[01:04] <treaver> Oh :p
[01:04] <ActionParsnip> i have skype but it probably gets ran once a year if that and only to text chat
[01:05] <treaver> Google Voice lets you like link your phone to it and text and call from any computer by login in to voice.google.com
[01:05] <ActionParsnip> treaver: i always have my phone on me...
[01:05] <treaver> I love skype I just wish they would make it more user friendly like in window for linux
[01:05] <treaver> :P So do I, I just never use it when I have my computer in lap or when I'm at a computer
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> I tend to use both
[01:11] <treaver> You live in Cali!
[01:12] <treaver> I've been there it's amazzzzzzzing :P
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> treaver: UK
[01:14] <treaver> Ahhh
[01:14] <treaver> Alright Andy
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> hi
[01:20] <treaver> So after I've done the commands you told me do I do anything else?
[01:22] <ActionParsnip> treaver: reboot
[01:22] <treaver> Then it's done?
[01:26] <treaver> How do I check if it installed correctly
[01:29] <ActionParsnip> treaver: sudo lshw -C display      will say driver=fglrx   or something similar
[01:30] <treaver_> It worked thank you
[01:30] <ActionParsnip> treaver: cool
[01:32] <ActionParsnip> treaver_: simple stuff
[02:39] <bobweaver> Hello there I am having some real strang troubles with my network
[02:40] <bobweaver> I have like 2 virtual networks running all a sudden and had to kill my mod in order to even get networking back
[02:41] <bobweaver> if I do a ifconfig I see a bunch of virtual networks ,, well 2 but My question is
[02:41] <bobweaver> Is this part of the remote log in stuff ? what is up with the virtual networking stuff showing up ?
[02:42] <bobweaver> remote log in stuff = lightdm remote stuff
[02:47] <trism> bobweaver: what interfaces are you seeing in ifconfig?
[02:49] <ActionParsnip> bobweaver: what are you using to virtualize the OSes?
[02:52] <bobweaver> sorry gues I missed that
[02:52] <bobweaver> I have
[02:52] <bobweaver> vmnet8  vmnet1
[02:52] <bobweaver> them right therer are the odd ones
[02:53] <bobweaver> I have killed everthing virtual (I think ) vmwware client and so on
[02:59] <bobweaver> Wow
[02:59] <bobweaver> whereby serial console output can be remotely viewed over the LAN. Systems implementing IPMI 2.0 typically also include KVM over IP, remote virtual media and out-of-band embedded web server interface functionality
[03:00] <bobweaver> I think That my box is done
[04:00]  * bobweaver eats a guyute pie
[06:29] <buglyjoe> hi, could someone running 12.10 beta2 please tell me which groups the user should be a member of, by default. I used usermod -G without -a and got removed from all groups
[06:29] <buglyjoe> I mounted the os as a disk and put my self directly into the sudoers file temporarily. so I have root access. I just need to know the groups I should add myself to
[08:40] <krofna> After upgrade to beta2, when I try to login, I get black screen and it goes back to login screen... help?
[08:41] <krofna> I did pkill lightdm && startx but now windows don't have edges (for example, i cant resize nor move anything)
[08:44] <popey> krofna, can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy unity compiz" please
[08:45] <krofna> http://pastebin.com/zczH85RS
[08:47] <popey> krofna, can you pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:47] <krofna> http://pastebin.com/gEeXKpYd
[08:50] <popey> krofna, if you run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" does it pull in lots of packages that were missing?
[08:51] <krofna> The following NEW packages will be installed
[08:51] <krofna>   lightdm ubuntu-desktop xorg
[08:51] <krofna> I'll restart X. brb
[08:53] <krofna> Now it just logs me in as root...
[08:53] <popey> i would restart lightdm
[08:54] <krofna> Same issue.
[08:57] <popey> krofna, ATI graphics card?
[08:57] <krofna> Yes
[08:58] <popey> perhaps bug 725580
[09:00] <krofna> Seems pretty old. I didn't have this issue before. And details aren't same. When I login I get the same output on black screen like when I shut down computer, and it sends me back to login screen
[09:01] <krofna> I'll try the suggested fix tho..
[09:08] <krofna> nomodeset breaks everything. ...
[09:09] <krofna> Stuck on purple screen with that param.
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[11:55] <penguin42> hey
[11:56] <BluesKaj> hey penguin42 , what's up ?
[12:00] <penguin42> not much; just got up not that long ago
[12:03] <allu3> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/ someone should change the "Desktop CD" to Desktop DVD or some other term wher the iso actually fits in, saying Desktop CD is misleading
[12:03] <allu3> i can't install 756mb on standard CD with around 700mb space
[12:04] <dan_a> Hi all, I'm testing 12.10 and my (unsupported) RA3090 wifi card doesn't work on kernel 3.5. It's fine on 3.2. Is it worth reporting this?
[12:17] <TheOneRing> any idea? http://paste.kde.org/562820/ xserver doesnt start , atom cpu with gma600
[12:21] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing, have you considered the recovery kernel , repair broken packages dialog ?
[12:29] <TheOneRing> I an login, so I already run apt-get and it seems that nothing is broken, or what do you mean?
[12:31] <TheOneRing> I an =  I can
[12:33] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing, are you asking me ..if so pls address me by my nick ...I'm in several chats so i need my notifier
[12:34] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing, in grub when booting , choose the recovery kernel
[12:35] <TheOneRing> ok, the 3.5 kernel will give me a misplaced screen, the 3.2-32 a black screen but the 3.23 did boot corectly
[12:35] <TheOneRing> then dpkg?
[12:36] <TheOneRing> BluesKaj: dpkg Repair broken packages
[12:36] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:51] <TheOneRing> didnt work
[12:57] <IdleOne> any issues I should be aware of with this nvidia-current 304.51.really.304.43-0ubuntu1 update?
[12:59] <IdleOne> I guess I'll find out :)
[13:21] <foormea> hi. i'm confused about how telepathy works. i selected to let it run in the background the first time i closed it
[13:22] <foormea> now i really can't find an option to change that
[13:22] <foormea> and killing telepathy doesn't work, it gets restarted after just a few seconds
[13:46] <jdfoote> I just upgraded to 12.10, and now my login isn't working. When I enter the incorrect pw, it tells me it's wrong, but when I enter the correct pw, the screen goes black, then goes back to the login screen.
[13:46] <jdfoote> Any help would be great!
[13:47] <IdleOne> How is it not working?
[13:47] <IdleOne> err sorry
[13:47] <jtaylor> is unity horrendously slow seince a few days for others too? nvidia open source drivers
[13:48] <jtaylor> after reboot its ok but at some point it starts crawling
[13:48] <Daekdroom> If I had to guess, I'd say that X is crashing as soon as you start your session.
[13:48] <jdfoote> I don't know if this is the right place to look, but auth.log is telling me "Rejected send message, 2 matched rules;......"
[13:49] <TankC> Hey everyone, is there a keyboard shortcut to view the virtual desktop switcher?
[13:49] <jdfoote> Ok - any ideas about where to look for the problem, or how to fix?
[13:52] <silverarrow> you might bypass the graphics driver?
[13:52] <penguin42> jdfoote: Normally if it's going back to the login either the X server or some part of the desktop crashed; the trick is to find which
[13:52] <penguin42> jdfoote: I'd check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old just after the crash and see if at the bottom there is a backtrace
[13:53] <jdfoote> ok - looking now
[13:54] <jdfoote> I don't see anything that looks like an error
[13:54] <jdfoote> I assume it would be pretty obvious?
[13:55] <jdfoote> Definitely no long backtraces
[13:55] <penguin42> yeh it should be, so ok, if it's not X itself crashing it could be something in the desktop
[13:55] <penguin42> jdfoote: So I'd check .xsession-errors just after it's failed
[13:56] <penguin42> jdfoote: Is it actually writing to .xsession-errors (is the timestamp up to date) ?
[13:56] <jdfoote> penguin42: Thanks for your help.
[13:56] <penguin42> jdfoote: No prob
[13:57] <jdfoote> I hadn't looked at .xsession-errors yet.
[13:57] <jdfoote> Looks like nothing new was written
[13:58] <jdfoote> The last message was from when I was updating - says Owner :1.39 of volume monitor org.gtk.Private.AfcVolumeMonitor disconnected from the bus; removing drives/volumes/mounts
[13:59] <penguin42> jdfoote: So if you delete the .xsession-errors and then try logging in does it come back?
[13:59] <jdfoote> I'll try now
[14:00] <jdfoote> No, it does not
[14:00] <penguin42> jdfoote: OK, so that means it didn't get very far at all
[14:00] <penguin42> jdfoote: I'd check in /var/log/lightdm
[14:00] <jdfoote> ok
[14:01] <jdfoote> Which file?
[14:01] <penguin42> jdfoote: hmm - lightdm.log probably
[14:02] <jdfoote> Ok - looks like something here.
[14:03] <silverarrow> is LSO cookies a trouble in Ubuntu?
[14:03] <silverarrow> are*
[14:03] <jdfoote> Started session 2530 with service 'lightdm', username 'username'
[14:03] <jdfoote> Session got 1 message from PAM
[14:03] <jdfoote> Prompt greeter
[14:03] <penguin42> jdfoote: Woah stop
[14:03] <jdfoote> Greeter start auth
[14:03] <silverarrow> I have scripts slowing down firefox, message popping up
[14:03] <jdfoote> Sorry
[14:03] <penguin42> jdfoote: Use pastebin to show us
[14:03] <jdfoote> Ok - is there a way to paste from a terminal session?
[14:03] <jdfoote> I'm just typing this on my other computer
[14:04] <penguin42> jdfoote: Yes, there is a program called pastebinit
[14:04] <silverarrow> yeah, I always forget how to use it
[14:06] <jdfoote> Ok - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1263889/
[14:08] <penguin42> jdfoote: I think it's trying to login with unity-2d that doesn't exist any more, can you try choosing a different session
[14:09] <jdfoote> penguin42: That makes sense, that's what I was using. I didn't see a place on the login screen to change that. Any idea where to change it?
[14:10] <penguin42> jdfoote: erm hang on, I don't have a convenient gdm setup
[14:11] <jdfoote> penguin42: Ok - thanks so much again
[14:11] <penguin42> jdfoote: Right, to the right of your name there should be a symbol, click on it then you should see a list
[14:12] <jdfoote> penguin42: I'm not seeing that. There's nothing but the name and the pw box
[14:12] <penguin42> jdfoote: Hmm, isn't there a unity/ubuntu symbol next to your name?
[14:13] <jdfoote> No
[14:13] <penguin42> oh - erm then I'm not quite sure what to do!
[14:16] <XVampireX> Here's a good question for all of you, what is the name of the browser, that keeps thinking it's from year 2000, thinks it's a mobile phone, and runs on KDE? :)
[14:16] <silverarrow> is anyone booted in quantal now?
[14:17] <XVampireX> uhm let me check... uhm, yes
[14:17] <XVampireX> but kubuntu
[14:17] <bazhang> silverarrow, whats the real question
[14:17] <XVampireX> (I joined this channel cause #kubuntu+1 doesn't exist)
[14:17] <XVampireX> bazhang is crazy
[14:17] <bazhang> XVampireX, lets stay on topic
[14:18] <XVampireX> (Told you)
[14:18] <XVampireX> OMG IT'S FREAKING ANNOYING
[14:18] <XVampireX> THAT'S THE SECOND TIME YOU KEEP TELLING ME THIS AFTER I ASKED A QUESTION
[14:18] <silverarrow> bazhang: can you make this test page play http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventid=34000689
[14:18] <bazhang> silverarrow, just a moment
[14:18] <XVampireX> That's great
[14:19] <bazhang> XVampireX, stop with the caps. stay on topic.
[14:19] <XVampireX> Sure
 Here's a good question for all of you, what is the name of the browser, that keeps thinking it's from year 2000, thinks it's a mobile phone, and runs on KDE? :)
[14:19] <penguin42> ok, that's half of it, now stay on topic
[14:19] <XVampireX> What's half of it?
[14:19] <bazhang> silverarrow, it loads; did you mean using the listen in? see if that works?
[14:20] <silverarrow> yes, sorry, you have to choose listen in to get to the player
[14:20] <bazhang> just a moment silverarrow
[14:20] <silverarrow> there should be a small player window there
[14:20] <XVampireX> Well for some reason there's a browser called rekonq that's version 1.1 and I keep having it loading pages as if I was on a mobile phone, also, when I look in browser identification, it gives me browsers from year 2000 (Well, maybe a bit later, but whatever you know what I mean)
[14:21] <penguin42> XVampireX: OK, that's better
[14:21] <silverarrow> i cannot make it play
[14:21] <penguin42> XVampireX: Tbh I don't have much luck with rekonq either
[14:21] <penguin42> XVampireX: Although to be fair it's less bad than konqueror
[14:22] <XVampireX> bazhang: Yesterday or the day before I also asked about kwin and wine and torchlight 2 game and you also told me to be on topic, well lets see I'm on 12.10 right now, I'm on an ubuntu variation, I tried joining #kubuntu+1 and that got me here, so what do you think I should do?
[14:22] <XVampireX> bazhang, that's what got me so angry
[14:22] <penguin42> XVampireX: Stop being angry, stop using capitals, and just ask the question straight rather than gaming about and people will help
[14:23] <bazhang> silverarrow, the web app did not play it, I had to dl the mp3 which played fine
[14:23] <silverarrow> yeah, odd, though
[14:23] <silverarrow> it should work
[14:23] <bazhang> dl was pretty fast, played in audactious
[14:23] <bazhang> -t
[14:23] <silverarrow> are you in totem or mplayer or..?
[14:24] <XVampireX> penguin42: I've got a bad tab habit, uhm, sometimes want to see some links that people send me without having to open up chromium or firefox :P
[14:24] <bazhang> the mplayer plugin would not play it
[14:24] <silverarrow> baxhang, hmm, missing plugin, or plugin not working
[14:24] <penguin42> XVampireX: Yeh so a while ago I did persuade KDE to use firefox rather than rekonq, and I need to persuade it to again, it's annoying with konsole opening rekonq when I click on a link
[14:24] <silverarrow> bazhang: sorry
[14:24] <bazhang> silverarrow, I have the plugins afaik, so just a site issue I suspect
[14:25] <silverarrow> could be
[14:25] <bazhang> th e download plays fine though, if that's your cup of tea :)
[14:25] <silverarrow> that site usually streams fine in windows, ubuntu usually to with some tweaking
[14:26] <bazhang> could be some issue yet to be resolved. perhaps once we have release and a few bug fixes
[14:26] <silverarrow> bazhang: the actual material is a bit alternative, but not easy to find  an available free stream right now
[14:27] <bazhang> sure
[14:27] <bazhang> just letting you know the technical issue I faced.
[14:27] <silverarrow> yes, thanks
[14:28] <silverarrow> download works here too, I had to install one
[14:28] <silverarrow> bazhang, when it is live I don`t think there are download option
[14:29] <bazhang> silverarrow, ok. perhaps try again when it is live
[14:30] <silverarrow> no, it is usually exactly the same as the stream, live or replay
[14:30] <silverarrow> it`s all right though, bazhang you confirmed the issue
[14:30] <bazhang> ok
[14:30] <silverarrow> I am on ppc and always wonder if it is ppc weirdness or not lol
[14:30] <silverarrow> or lubuntu or ubuntu
[14:31] <bazhang> nah
[14:31] <bazhang> it's their site
[14:31] <bazhang> !find downverter
[14:31] <silverarrow> like the nasty BankID I had yesterday
[14:31] <silverarrow> I even filed a bug report
[14:32] <gio60> hello
[14:32] <silverarrow> hi
[14:32] <bazhang> whats downverter
[14:32] <gio60> I would like to install   downverter    in ubuntu 12.10.     How to install?
[14:32] <bazhang> gio60, ^
[14:32] <silverarrow> bazhang: converting options, mp3 and other formats?
[14:33] <bazhang> gio60, whats downverter
[14:33] <bazhang> silverarrow, I meant gio60 's question
[14:34] <gio60> bazhang,   program where you can download and convert videos from YouTube
[14:34] <silverarrow> bazhang: odd your question is posted before gio60`s question on my screen
[14:34] <bazhang> silverarrow, yeah, I saw him, mispost in #ubuntu first
[14:34] <silverarrow> lol
[14:34] <bazhang> gio60, convert to what
[14:35] <bazhang> flv to mp4?
[14:35] <silverarrow> ok, psychic mode
[14:36] <bazhang> gio60, firefox has a plugin for that
[14:36] <gio60> firefox ?
[14:36] <bazhang> video download helper
[14:36] <silverarrow> yeah, downloadhelper I converts I think
[14:36] <bazhang> yes. it downloads youtube vids, then converts on the fly
[14:36] <bazhang> it does
[14:37] <silverarrow> I just installed it three minutes ago
[14:37] <bazhang> gio60, need the link?
[14:37] <gio60> bazhang,   I use chrome, firefox faster
[14:38] <bazhang> !info downverter | gio60
[14:38] <silverarrow> chrome probably have an equivalent though
[14:38] <bazhang> never used them, it's a google app
[14:39] <silverarrow> I have to go, it`s getting late and I have a flat tire on the backwheel
[14:39] <silverarrow> rarewheel ?
[14:40] <silverarrow> try #lubuntu, chrome is default there I think
[14:40] <silverarrow> I am on ppc right now, and firefox is the thing there
[14:40] <gio60> bazhang,   I enter firefox add-ons?
[14:41] <silverarrow> yes, tools-addon and search
[14:41] <gio60> ok
[14:41] <silverarrow> I`m off, see you later perhaps
[14:42] <silverarrow> :-)
[14:44] <bazhang> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/  gio60
[14:44] <dan_a> I'm struggling with a wireless problem. RT3090 using a driver from a PPA works fine with Quantal and the kernel from Precise
[14:45] <penguin42> dan_a: Did it work OK in precise?
[14:45] <dan_a> Using the kernel from Quantal, wpa_supplicant can't talk to the driver
[14:45] <dan_a> penguin42: yes
[14:46] <penguin42> dan_a: Was that with the ppa on precise or just precise out of the box?
[14:47] <dan_a> penguin42: ppa, which I've been using since 10.10
[14:48] <dan_a> Can I do a bisect across kernels from different versions of Ubuntu?
[14:48] <dan_a> or is the best thing to test mainline 3.2 and 3.5 and bisect them?
[14:50] <penguin42> dan_a: is it still necessary to use the ppa version?
[14:54] <dan_a> penguin42: I think so
[14:56] <dan_a> Oh maybe not, rt2800 should support it. I'll give that a go...
[15:04] <dan_a> penguin42: Looks good so far - thank you!
[15:06] <penguin42> dan_a: good; the thing is with a ppa it would take some digging to know what it was meant to work with
[15:07] <RiXtEr> ok, so before I did a 'update-manager -d' i had my desktop on unity 2d, and now I can't login as that user... what file do I need to change under the username having problems?
[15:12] <penguin42> sigh, that sounds like the same problem as jdfoote had earlier
[15:12] <penguin42> RiXtEr: On the login manager, next to your name do you see an ubuntu/unity icon or other icon?
[15:13] <RiXtEr> I couldn't find it, I am assuming it should be in the same place as 12.03
[15:13] <RiXtEr> err 12.04 that is
[15:14] <penguin42> RiXtEr: Yeh same problem as the other guy
[15:14] <RiXtEr> any way to fix this?
[15:14] <penguin42> RiXtEr: not sure
[15:14] <RiXtEr> or where are the channel logs? I dont mind finding it if its there.
[15:15] <RiXtEr> I could download another WM and see if it shows then
[15:15] <penguin42> RiXtEr: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/06/%23ubuntu+1.txt    although th eother guy earlier today we didn't find a solution
[15:15] <RiXtEr> what is the lightest one available?
[15:16] <penguin42> desktop?
[15:16] <RiXtEr> window manager/desktop
[15:16] <RiXtEr> ;)
[15:16] <penguin42> RiXtEr: the xfwm one is pretty light, you could try installing xubuntu-desktop and see if it lets you select it
[15:17] <RiXtEr> brb
[15:17] <penguin42> RiXtEr: Ubuntu-3d should work
[15:18] <RiXtEr> sorry did you say something right before I left?
[15:18] <penguin42> RiXtEr: I wonder, have you got ubuntu-3d installed?
[15:18] <RiXtEr> fixed it
[15:18] <RiXtEr> well let me confirm
[15:18] <penguin42> how?
[15:19] <RiXtEr> nevermind... progress though.
[15:19] <penguin42> how - I'm interested for the next victim
[15:19] <RiXtEr> cp /usr/share/xsession/ubuntu.desktop /usr/share/xsession/ubuntu2d.desktop
[15:19] <RiXtEr> but
[15:20] <penguin42> yeuch :-)
[15:20] <RiXtEr> I now a completely blank desktop
[15:20] <RiXtEr> so...
[15:20] <RiXtEr> not fixed but I am getting somewhere
[15:25] <RiXtEr> penguin42, I will do more investigation on this but I need to go for nwo
[15:25] <RiXtEr> *now
[15:26] <toumbo> Software center on Quantal consumes too much ram. :/
[15:26] <penguin42> RiXtEr: Please report a bug and tell us the number
[15:26] <RiXtEr> and ctrl-alt-bkspace doesn't work now!?
[15:26] <RiXtEr> it didn't with 12.04 either though
[16:04] <RiXtEr> penguin42, ok, so i did a cp /usr/share/xsession/ubuntu.desktop /usr/share/xsession/ubuntu2d.desktop
[16:05] <penguin42> and did that work?
[16:05] <RiXtEr> then I edited the lines in /usr/share/xsession/ubuntu2d.desktop to read "Name=Ubuntu2d" and "Exec=gnome-session --session=ubuntu2d"
[16:05] <RiXtEr> then I tried to switch to the 2d session
[16:06] <RiXtEr> and it failed, but forced a logout
[16:06] <RiXtEr> so I switched to regular ubuntu and it worked.
[16:06] <penguin42> RiXtEr: how did you switch to regular ubuntu?
[16:06] <RiXtEr> I get the button now
[16:06] <penguin42> so you only get the button when you had two sessions?
[16:07] <RiXtEr> yes
[16:07] <penguin42> ok, can you bug report that?
[16:07] <RiXtEr> presumably another WM/desktop would work
[16:07] <RiXtEr> also, now I have removed the ubuntu2d.desktop and restarted lightdm
[16:08] <RiXtEr> and now I can login fine (without the button)
[16:08] <RiXtEr> so there is a default being set under the users home dir that needs fixed
[16:08] <penguin42> RiXtEr: Well, also the lightdm greeter needs to do something more sensible if the current setting no longer exists
[16:12] <RiXtEr> I think lightdm isn't the culprit
[16:12] <RiXtEr> it hands off the session correctly
[16:12] <RiXtEr> but then unity2d doesnt exist, so it drops back to the login screen
[16:14] <penguin42> RiXtEr: Well it should just switch you back to the top of the list rather than logging you out with no explanation - or at least tell you
[16:27] <penguin42> RiXtEr: Or at least allow you to switch it
[17:19] <penguin42> anyone else seeing the mouse cursor rather jumpy in kvm guests in +1 ?
[18:43] <rymate1234> How do I get my ati video card audio working in ubuntu 12.10?
[18:43] <silverarrow> I`m not sure you do
[18:44] <silverarrow> how old is it?
[18:44] <silverarrow> with the radeon driver they have to fix something with kernel and xorg I think,
[18:44] <rymate1234> got my laptop a couple years ago
[18:44] <rymate1234> on;ly just got a hdmi cable D:
[18:45] <silverarrow> then there should be restricted drivers for your card I think
[18:45] <silverarrow> those are good for screen connections
[18:45] <silverarrow> and tv
[18:45] <rymate1234> well
[18:46] <rymate1234> thta miht be a problem
[18:46] <rymate1234> as fglrx doesn't currently support 12.10
[18:46] <rymate1234> :(
[18:46] <silverarrow> well, it has to on the final release
[18:47] <silverarrow> or it will be a major bummer for ubuntu
[18:47] <rymate1234> ye
[18:48] <silverarrow> graphics drivers should be well supported on newer cards
[18:48] <silverarrow> like yours
[18:49] <silverarrow> not so sure on 6-7 year old gards
[18:49] <silverarrow> cards*
[18:49] <silverarrow> but open radeon is good
[18:50] <silverarrow> problem right now is kernel, xorg
[18:50] <rymate1234> Mine's newish
[18:50] <rymate1234> but shit
[18:50] <rymate1234> its a 4250
[18:51] <silverarrow> back in a few minutes, have to catch the store before it closes
[19:05] <silverarrow> rymate1234:  4250 is problematic ?
[19:08] <silverarrow> mine is a 9550
[19:09] <silverarrow> with added powerpc weirdness
[19:13] <rymate1234> hey
[19:13] <rymate1234> simple question
[19:13] <rymate1234> How to get a battery indicator in xfce
[19:14] <silverarrow> not sure, but in lxde you have to retrieve it
[19:14] <rymate1234> ok
[19:14]  * rymate1234 looks up
[19:15] <silverarrow> ...by double clicking on the taskbar there is a "add/remove items" funtion
[19:15] <silverarrow> not sure about xfce, a while since I used it
[19:15] <silverarrow> that is the one with the mouse ?
[19:15] <rymate1234> nvm
[19:15] <rymate1234> it wasn't installed
[19:16] <silverarrow> yeah, I remember now, xfce has packages listed in package manager
[19:20] <rymate1234> xfce + compiz = win
[19:28] <ArcaneWater> Hello, any idea why 12.10 is does not recognize thath i already have windows installed on? And it just gives me to format disc? It say there were no os detected.
[19:31] <ArcaneWater> Or is there maybe problem because LiLi is not recognizing 12.10 yet when creating usb
[19:32] <silverarrow> oh
[19:33] <silverarrow> I had 12.04 installed and it was detected, I haven`t tried on my windows computer yet
[19:34] <ArcaneWater> And you made it with LiLi? Actualy my first os is windows
[19:35] <silverarrow> LiLi?
[19:35] <silverarrow> no, CD
[19:35] <silverarrow> sorry, I was a bit slow there
[19:36] <silverarrow> I burned DVD acutally
[19:36] <ArcaneWater> Seems LiLi has problems
[19:38] <silverarrow> I have had such a mess with usb install in the past, so I stick to CD/DVD when I can
[20:12] <ls612> Is it still intended to have the alx ethernet driver in the kernel for 12.10 release?
[20:12] <ls612> 	because it isn't there in Beta 2.
[20:19] <trism> ls612: it is still not in linux-next so I kind of doubt it will be
[20:21] <ls612> *goes and throws something* great. How long is enough for QA testing. It doesn't help that my wireless card is also not supported, so I have no way of even manually installing the driver.
[20:25] <trism> ls612: if you stick with precise for a while though it is supposed to be available in linux-backports-modules-cw-3.4-precise-generic
[20:26] <ls612> But I can't use precise either because neither my wired ethernet nor my wireless card is supported, so I have no way of getting the headers necessary for manually installing the driver.
[20:26] <ls612> So I'm stuck with only Win7
[20:27] <silverarrow> are you sure wired is not working?
[20:27] <silverarrow> surprising
[20:27] <silverarrow> and weird
[20:28] <trism> ls612: you shouldn't need headers, if you find the version for your kernel on packages.ubuntu.com it should contain already built modules
[20:28] <ls612> silverarrow: Yes, I have the Atheros AR8161 combined Bluetooth/Ethernet adapter, and it will only work with the alx driver.
[20:29] <trism> ls612: for instance, the latest kernel version is: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/linux-backports-modules-cw-3.4-3.2.0-31-generic just download the deb and dpkg -i on the system
[20:30] <trism> ls612: otherwise just fiddle with the -31-generic section to match uname -r
[20:35] <ls612> trism: so do I just d/l that package in windows and then open it in the Precise package manager?
[20:36] <trism> ls612: yep
[20:36] <trism> ls612: use sudo dpkg -i package_name.deb; though, software-center apparently complains
[20:37] <trism> ls612: again though, make sure you check uname -r first so you select the correct version
[20:37] <silverarrow> I tried that on b43 drivers, and you need cutter and what not to make them extract
[20:37] <trism> this package is just a set of kernel modules so it should work fine
[20:37] <silverarrow> horror if you can`t get wired right away
[20:37] <silverarrow> good
[20:38] <ls612> Thanks guys!
[20:44] <bjsnider> it's really hard to believe there isn't a better solution to that problem, like a usb dongle, for example, or a pci-x1 card etc.
[20:47] <silverarrow> do you remember the name of the cleaner? clorex something almost
[20:47] <silverarrow> I mean, sort of like CCcleaner
[20:48] <silverarrow> I am googeling, but can`t hit upon the right name
[20:49] <silverarrow> BleachBit
[20:49] <silverarrow> !!
[23:03] <myk_robinson> afternoon.
[23:04] <myk_robinson> Playing with Ubuntu on my laptop, connected to my 32" tv via hdmi. How can I set a default screen for applications to launch on? Some things open on my laptop, others open up on the TV. I have the TV set as an extension, so I can play with my laptop while my daughter watches a movie.
[23:28] <cowsquad> I have a question guys. I have 4gb memory but ubuntu only show 2.8 on the system Details, why is that? I have ubuntu 64 bit
[23:29] <keithclark> I don't seem to be able to log in into any other desktop environment except Xubuntu now.  No matter what I select while logging in I get Xubuntu.  Any fix to this or is it just my system that is toast?
[23:30] <keithclark> cowsquad, What is your physical RAM like?  4 x 1 GB?
[23:31] <cowsquad> keithclark, I dont get your question I have 4gb
[23:31] <keithclark> cowsquad, 4 sticks of 1 GB?  2 sticks of 4 GB ?
[23:31] <keithclark> Sorry, 2 sticks of 2 GB
[23:31] <cowsquad> 2 sticks of 2 = 4 gb
[23:31] <penguin42> cowsquad: Does the BIOS show all 4GB ?
[23:32] <cowsquad> i havent checked that. How do I do that
[23:32] <cowsquad> if i run top on terminal, it show only 2.8
[23:33] <penguin42> cowsquad: That depends on the machine, they normally show the amount of RAM when you start up, or boot into setup
[23:33] <penguin42> cowsquad: Can you get the output of the command sudo dmidecode into something we can see - like a pastebin?
[23:33] <bandit-led> gnome-panel cant add system monitor any ideas?
[23:33] <cowsquad> penguin42, give me a second
[23:36] <ls612> I was trying to install a compat wireless package on 12.04.1, and it gave me an error saying that I was missing the dependency "linux-image-3.2.0-31-generic". Is there a different version of that for 12.04.1?
[23:36] <cowsquad> penguin42, there you go http://pastebin.com/V52XShkW
[23:37] <bandit-led> ls612,  you need to ask in ubuntu not ubuntu+1 this channel is for pre releases
[23:37] <trism> ls612: as I said earlier you need to check uname -r so you can find the right -number-generic version
[23:37] <cowsquad> ls612 this is ubuntu quetzal channel. Go to #ubuntu for 12.04
[23:37] <penguin42> cowsquad: Thanks
[23:38] <ls612> sorry.
[23:38] <trism> ls612: hop over to #ubuntu and send me uname -r and I'll find you the proper link
[23:38] <cowsquad> Dont worry ls612, They gonna give you more help
[23:39] <bandit-led> well we hope so any way
[23:39] <penguin42> cowsquad: According to that the Bios thinks the 2nd dimm is 1GB
[23:39] <silverarrow> hi
[23:40] <cowsquad> where in the log you read that?
[23:40] <penguin42> cowsquad: See the bit about dimm2
[23:40] <penguin42> cowsquad: DIMM0 says 2048MB, DIMM2 says 1024MB
[23:40] <silverarrow> do you have problems with scrips running in Firefox? I suspect some kind of nasty cookies or worms, but how do you deal with them in Ubuntu. I don`t have Adobe Flash, but I have Gnash
[23:41] <cowsquad> penguin42, hold on. Ill get back to you in a bit
[23:42] <bandit-led> silverarrow, some times you get a script that was just written wrong that can hang then a box pops up asking if you want to keep running that script
[23:42] <bandit-led> silverarrow, you can also look at no-script which is always a good idea and or flashblock as well
[23:43] <bandit-led> they are ff addons that can speed up or stop some nasties
[23:43] <cowsquad> penguin42, I found it. My questions is. Is there a way to fix this?
[23:44] <silverarrow> bandit-led: yes, but it happens all the time now, and a loooong time before the choice to abort it pops up
[23:44] <bandit-led> silverarrow, and https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flashblock/
[23:44] <silverarrow> cool
[23:44] <silverarrow> thanks
[23:44] <bandit-led> silverarrow, it should be a certain site that doing that it could also be gbash
[23:44] <bandit-led> gnash'
[23:45] <penguin42> cowsquad: OK, first go back and check what the bios thinks before Ubuntu boots, dmidecode just takes data straight from the BIOS, so if the BIOS really thinks there is a 2GB+1GB then it's unlikely you'll get any further
[23:46] <cowsquad> okay, Ill be back soon
[23:46] <silverarrow> is ebay a bad guy?
[23:46] <penguin42> cowsquad: I have the A100
[23:46] <penguin42> cowsquad: On the A100 the hardware can't cope with more than 3GB
[23:47] <bandit-led> silverarrow, i use ebay so i would say no
[23:49] <cowsquad> penguin I was reading about the motherboard system graphics taking some ram
[23:50] <penguin42> cowsquad: That's normally only 100-200MB
[23:50] <penguin42> cowsquad: If that
[23:50] <silverarrow> here is the script  http://s0.2mdn.net/879366/inpageGlobalTemplate_v2_71_03.js:71
[23:50] <bandit-led> any one seeing screen artifacts at login?
[23:50] <silverarrow> I have never had script issues in ubuntu before
[23:50] <penguin42> cowsquad: My machine shows 3016 MB in free with 3GB (i.e. 3072) physical
[23:51] <bandit-led> silverarrow, you can have script issues with windows and linux its a site issue usually not the os
[23:51] <cowsquad> but my toshiba came with that memory. I havent change anything?
[23:51] <bandit-led> silverarrow, or a build issue of firefox
[23:51] <silverarrow> yeah, cookie thing right?
[23:51] <silverarrow> oh
[23:52] <penguin42> cowsquad: OK fine, in that case just check what the bios thinks in terms of the RAM it has, and go forward
[23:52] <bandit-led> cookie just store information on your computer not really an issue unless you disbale them when they are needed
[23:52] <cowsquad> penguin42, Ill check the bios, and Ill get back to you
[23:52] <bandit-led> cookies'
[23:53] <silverarrow> bandit-led: I have hadmajor  script issues with LSO cookies in windows
[23:53] <silverarrow> they really run scrips
[23:53] <silverarrow> sorry about the typos


[01:46] <RaMcHiP> is this a safe place to learn ubuntu without having your intelligence insulted because your a noob and dont know your doing and trying to learn
[21:16] <cliffhanger> Does any1 know if I can upgrade a 32bit version of ubuntu 2 64bit without doing a fresh install? (looking 4 a way so that I don't lose my programs)
[21:18] <jpds> cliffhanger: I think it is possible, but I won't bother with the effort.
[21:21] <jpds> cliffhanger: What are your programs? Packages you've installed?
[21:28] <cliffhanger> I've installed a lot of packages... so i wont detail, basically had to waste a week getting the right packages to install on my machine to get audio and wlan, etc... some1 recommended I use dpkg or Synaptic and then later download them on another computer. how does this work?
[21:31] <cliffhanger> is there any way to sort of make a list of all my installed packages so that it can download them all in another computer, or something similar?? This might help me...
[21:32] <jpds> cliffhanger: "dpkg --get-selections" does exactly that.
[21:32] <jpds> Well, that will output all the packages you have installed.
[21:33] <cliffhanger> Thanks that's great, but how do I later download them?
[21:33] <jpds> To reinstall all the packages in that list, you just have to run: dpkg --selections < fileyousavedthelisttoo.txt and then run: sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[21:35] <jpds> cliffhanger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReinstallingSamePackages
[21:35] <cliffhanger> Thanks jpds, I'll go try it right now.
[21:35] <jpds> (You will need a net connection to redownload the packages).
[21:38] <cliffhanger> jpds: There's so many that it won't display the whole list, it dosnt fit in the terminal apparently, it just shows from the M down to the Z packages.
[21:40] <jpds> cliffhanger: Try: dpkg --get-selections > installed_packages.txt
[21:40] <jpds> cliffhanger: That will put the output into a new file: installed_packages.txt
[21:41] <cliffhanger> It worked! Thanks Again!


[18:53] <Unit193> wrst: Got another snake out of the basement.
[19:44] <wrst> Unit193 = the snake whisperer


 Qt 5.12.4 has some nice regressions
 like https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-76588
 It looks like we won't have 5.12.5 this cycle (no time…) but I can backport that fix to 5.12.4
 Would be good


[00:10] <genii-around> The amd64+mac is also for non-Mac 64bit install?
[02:15] <ScottK> yofel: Not as far as I know.  I think component mismatches is your best bet if you can find someone that saves them (I don't).
[02:25] <pedahzur> Where would I go to check on the launchpad build queue? (specifically the 4.9.3 stuff from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports)  I see the list on the right that shows pass/fail, but it doesn't show pending.
[02:26] <pedahzur> Also found https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+builds but that looks like just pass/fail again.
[02:29] <ScottK> launchpad.net/builders
[02:58] <robtygart> Is Kubuntu 13.04 out for testing yet?
[05:15] <pedahzur> ScottK: Thanks.
[11:09] <apachelogger> afiestas: bug 1069333
[11:29] <afiestas> apachelogger: can you link that to bugs.kde.org ?
[11:29] <afiestas> I will need some feedback to fix that
[11:29] <apachelogger> afiestas: one can only link from kde to launchpad
[11:30] <apachelogger> I can file you one on bko with the url to launchpad though if that helps
[11:43] <kubotu> feed runtime-bugs had 14 updates, showing the latest 3
[11:43] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [979647] nepomukservicestub crashed with SIGSEGV in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/979647 (by dysmann)
[11:43] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [980564] kcmshell4 crashed with AttributeError in maintenance_command(): 'GUI' object has no attribu... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/980564 (by Manfred Tillmanns)
[11:43] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [981466] nepomukservicestub crashed with SIGSEGV in QCoreApplication::notifyInternal() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/981466 (by igor)
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:46] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [972106] nepomukservicestub crashed with SIGSEGV in libraryPathMutex() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/972106 (by vongoldi)
[12:46] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1035883] drkonqi crashed with SIGABRT in qt_message_output() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1035883 (by R3vo tester)
[12:46] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1071453] Dolphin doesn't store samba share password @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1071453 (by Pascal Korz)
[13:09] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1074978] [kubuntu 12.10] multiple pages per sheet options makes printer hang @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1074978 (by damahevi)
[14:38] <Quintasan> Uh
[14:38] <Quintasan> much better
[14:44] <Quintasan> yofel_: AFAIK jaintor in launchpad is borken
[14:46] <Quintasan> yofel_: bug 1071562
[14:46] <Quintasan> jaintor magic
[14:51] <yofel__> Quintasan: uh, the janitor has been broken for a week now
[14:52] <Quintasan> yofel_: I blame launchpad for every bad thing that falls upon us
[14:55] <yofel__> Quintasan: well, dunno. Feel free to stuff something into our PPA's though. Then you can go and tell the admins that we need more space. Limited offer
[14:55] <Quintasan> I somehow get the idea that this won't work
[14:57] <yofel__> building in that armhf pbuilder of mine doesn't work because automoc4 segfaults btw. Didn't yet have time for more in-depth debugging.
[14:58] <Quintasan> >automoc4
[14:58] <Quintasan> oh crap
[14:59] <yofel__> well, it works on hardware, so it sounds like a qemu issue
[15:03] <Quintasan> I blame LP
[15:03] <Quintasan> Works every time
[17:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: perhaps you want a go at closing bug 1074807
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> he's setting the policy wrong
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> needs to be <allow_active>yes</allow_active>
[17:49] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:49] <apachelogger> I'd not tell him though :P
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> too late
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> it'd be nice if that polkit kconfig module was being maintained
[17:51] <apachelogger> what would be nice when users woud not use launchpad bugs like support forums :P
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> that too
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, I sent a patch for the leak you found to ye olden APT mailing list
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> we'll see what they say
[18:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna++
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> you can really tell that the APT library was written for single-shot things like apt-get
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> after a commit, you have to throw everything away and rebuild all your dependency caches
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> (apt-get doesn't have to worry about that, any further operations, you start apt-get again)
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> leaks of 5MB in basic dependency error handling stick around for 10+ years
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> (apt-get users wouldn't notice, it would just get run once)
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> it's all kinds of horribleness designed for another decade :P
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> I'd take a stab at writing my own library if dpkg dependency resolution wasn't so scary
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> the sad thing is, I could bitch all day about APT, but in the end it provides a better user experience than the alternatives...
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> that's why I stuck with K/Ubuntu
[18:21] <apachelogger> software :D
[19:33] <SteveRiley> yofel: hmm... nexus 7 installer now appears to understand 32 GB -- http://i.imgur.com/swvdw.png
[19:34] <SteveRiley> did you see this option when you tried?
[19:34] <yofel> ype
[19:34] <yofel> *yep
[19:34] <SteveRiley> nice
[19:34] <yofel> I didn't check what that does though. (Or why they can't just use resize2fs)
[19:35] <xnox> ScottK: are you happy to drop CLI ndiswrapper utils from kubuntu seeds? kernel module is not shipped so they are useless...
[19:35] <SteveRiley> well i will let you know what happens when this finishes
[19:35] <yofel> SteveRiley: it works, I can tell you that much ;)
[19:35] <yofel> xnox: what's wrong with the module? Unsupported?
[19:36] <xnox> yofel: there is nothing wrong with the module. it's not shipped on the CDs, but the utils are.
[19:36] <xnox> yofel: so you need network to get the dkms module & you can as well get the utils.
[19:36] <yofel> oh, that sounds useless indeed
[19:53] <xnox> Riddell: you ok with dropping ndiswrapper utils?
[19:53] <xnox> ^^^
[19:54] <yofel> xnox: he's on vacation
[19:55] <xnox> yofel: fair enough =))))
[19:56] <yofel> xnox: is there any way to build the module from the current live disk?
[19:56] <yofel> I'm wondering what people would do that need ndiswrapper and only have wireless
[19:57] <xnox> yofel: it's not on the live disk, so you cannot do it offline with live disk. But if you have network you can install dkms module over the network and it should persist in the install.
[19:57] <BluesKaj> buy some ethernet cable I guess :P
[19:58] <xnox> _no change_ if they only have wireless, they are already been screwed in precise & quantal. Did they complain?
[19:58] <yofel> well, if you can't build the module there's no point to have the userspace stuff on the disk
[19:58] <xnox> exactly my point =)
[19:58] <yofel> feel free to drop it, I doubt anyone would mind
[19:58] <yofel> either that or add the dkms package ot the image
[20:02] <xnox> ack.
[20:07] <SteveRiley> yofel: 32 GB detected, no resize2fs required.
[20:08] <yofel> yeah, but I'm wondering how they do that, as Quintasan said that there is a size limit when flashing
[20:11] <xnox> it's a sparse image
[20:11] <yofel> aaah
[20:11] <xnox> it's 32gb is size, but actually it's a 678MB tarball.
[20:11] <SteveRiley> at UDS, they told us there were images available. i suspect they figured out how to build the 32 GB image within the size limit
[20:12] <xnox> http://hwe.ubuntu.com/uds-r/nexus7/
[20:12] <xnox> &
[20:12] <xnox> mfisch blog post on ubuntu-planet =)
[20:12] <SteveRiley> right. the question they didn't have an answer for was whether the 32 GB image would shrink to a small enough tarball
[20:12] <xnox> clearly it did, as it's available for download.
[20:12] <SteveRiley> apparently they in fact did answer that question subsequent to uds
[20:12] <yofel> and works
[20:13] <yofel> now I need to get this stupid pbuilder to work
[20:13] <yofel> hm
[20:13] <yofel> I'll first make a scratch repo
[20:18] <SteveRiley> is the plasma-active stuff of sufficient quality for me to run tasksel kubuntu-active on this thing? or is this what you're working on now, yofel?
[20:18] <SteveRiley> can't stand unity, ugh
[20:18] <yofel> ask Quintasan, I only know there are issues. At least install plasma-active by hand as well to make sure it's installed
[20:19] <yofel> the quantal stuff hasn't gotten much love
[20:19] <yofel> NOW I'm trying to find out how we can make armhf packages and share them
[20:19] <yofel> as we can't get a PPA
[20:19] <yofel> setting up a shared repo isn't the hard part there :/
[20:20] <SteveRiley> well, apt-get install kubuntu-active gives you nothing, as that package is -- yes -- empty!
[20:20] <SteveRiley> but afiestas said it worked with tasksel
[20:20] <SteveRiley> weird
[20:20] <afiestas> I did what?
[20:20] <afiestas> *I said what?
[20:21] <SteveRiley> didn't you get kubuntu-active working with tasksel?
[20:21] <afiestas> I don't know what tasksel is
[20:21] <SteveRiley> how did you get plasma active on your nexus 7
[20:22] <SteveRiley> maybe it was quintasan who said that using the task worked, but not via apt-get
[20:23] <SteveRiley> i don't remember now. sigh :(
[20:23] <afiestas> aaaa
[20:23] <afiestas> using task yes
[20:23] <afiestas> apt-get install kubuntu-active^
[20:23] <afiestas> didn't knew that was called tasksel
[20:23]  * afiestas is a packaging nub
[20:25] <SteveRiley> it's linux. if there's one way to do a thing, there's more than one :)
[20:26] <afiestas> that's our cancer that will eat us alive if we don't react
[20:26] <afiestas> but anyway
[20:29] <apachelogger> afiestas: that is not a tasksel
[20:29] <apachelogger> tasksel is a part of the debian-installer that does what a meta package does
[20:30] <apachelogger> i.e. a task is comprised by a number of packages that will be installed to fullfill the task
[20:33] <apachelogger> oh and tasks support evaluated listing... e.g. a task may list ~pstandard which essentially means that every package with the priority standard would get installed as part of this task without having to statically list all packages that have priority standard
[20:33] <apachelogger> nifty magic, except not very useful on ubuntu ;)
[20:37] <SteveRiley> i think the difference was the commands alex and i had in mind. i was thinking to use the tasksel utility, alex used apt-get and specified the task name with the caret
[20:47] <apachelogger> (apt-get does not support tasks)
[20:48] <apachelogger> what afiestas did only worked because we actually have a real package called kubuntu-active
[20:49] <afiestas> apachelogger: I did what rohan told me
[20:49] <afiestas> I mean, I was not conscient of what I was doing xD
[20:49] <apachelogger> why I am explaining it :P
[20:50] <apachelogger> also FWIW ... one should not use taskel on ubuntu ... taskel uses aptitude for dep resolutoin etc and we do not QA against aptitude
[20:50] <apachelogger> so apt-get is in fact the right way to do it
[20:51] <apachelogger> even though from a functionality POV there is no difference
[20:55] <yofel> k, scratch repos setup done, now back to debugging qemu
[21:03] <SteveRiley> apachelogger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel
[21:03] <SteveRiley> check the "usage (alternative)" section
[21:04] <yofel> apachelogger: funny enough, aptitude usually does much more reasonable things to our packages that apt if something breaks
[21:04] <yofel> s/that apt/than apt/
[21:04] <kubotu> yofel meant: "apachelogger: funny enough, aptitude usually does much more reasonable things to our packages than apt if something breaks"
[21:09] <SteveRiley> and the output of apt-get -s install kubuntu-active is very different than the output of apt-get -s install kubuntu-active^
[21:40] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1057578] Vulnerable against "CRIME" attack @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1057578 (by Felix Geyer)
[21:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I swear to xenu that I will throw dirt at that guy
[22:00] <Riddell> evening
[22:00] <Riddell> did I miss anything?
[22:00]  * yofel has 0 idea how policykit works, but remembers him saying that it works in synaptic
[22:01] <shadeslayer> ohai Riddell
[22:01] <apachelogger> yofel: synaptic does not use polkit, it uses pkexec to do what sudo does using polkit
[22:01] <apachelogger> ahoy Riddell
[22:01] <yofel> ah, you might want to tell him thta
[22:02] <yofel> (Pedro is simplew on IRC btw. if you ever see him)
[22:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: enjoying england?
[22:02] <yofel> worst case set the bug to won't fix
[22:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's chilly
[22:02] <yofel> he shouldn't be able to reopen it then
[22:02] <shadeslayer> So I'm mostly indoors :P
[22:02] <yofel> hi Riddell, you missed mostly the 4.9.3 release, otherwise it was rather quiet
[22:03] <Riddell> have merges started happening?
[22:04] <yofel> not for KDE at least as there's nothing to merge.
[22:04] <apachelogger> yofel: another nice bug I saw ... year old report about some compiz foo reported against runtime I believe, so I moved it to compiz and there it was closed as opinion as unity will bring supremacy to all and everything, the reporter subsequently moved it back to runtime and reopened on accounts of it being in a KDE path
[22:04] <apachelogger> I do have to tell you, bug triage makes you go mad
[22:05] <yofel> yeah, I know that :P
[22:06] <apachelogger> also there is this thing where apport is being smart and marks all and every crash report as private and medium
[22:06] <yofel> I think I'll open a bug about qemu-arm soon *-.-
[22:06]  * shadeslayer tries installing tf2
[22:06] <apachelogger> of course privates don't get a mail dispatched to kubuntu-bugs so we do not ever see that rubbish until somone heads to the actual page
[22:06] <apachelogger> so much for broken workflows
[22:06] <yofel> oh yeah, the mail sending is annoying
[22:07] <yofel> shadeslayer: got into the beta test?
[22:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should install firefoo
[22:07] <shadeslayer> afaictl
[22:07] <apachelogger> whatever version I uploaded
[22:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: meh firefoo :P
[22:07]  * apachelogger has broken is le apt somehow
[22:08]  * apachelogger appears to be in typo state and perhaps should shutdown for the night
[22:08] <shadeslayer> drat
[22:08] <shadeslayer> no space on HDD
[22:08] <yofel> haha
[22:08] <shadeslayer> /dev/sda7                   134G  123G  4.6G  97% /home
[22:08] <apachelogger> actually... if someone feels particularly happy -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs
[22:08] <apachelogger> I'd like to see that count at 0
[22:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: write script to invalidate all of them
[22:09] <shadeslayer> oh right, I have huge debugging shit in my /home
[22:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there is valid bugs don't you know
[22:09] <yofel> hm, shadeslayer is forgetting bugs
[22:09] <apachelogger> like the bug you were supposed to fix :P
[22:09] <apachelogger> bug 1013442
[22:09] <yofel> right
[22:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: actually poke sune about that again
[22:10] <apachelogger> see if he followed up on promoting it to recommends in debian
[22:10] <shadeslayer> remind me again on Monday
[22:10] <shadeslayer> damnit steam
[22:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: put it on your todo :P
[22:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: here's what my TODO looks right now : HAVE FUN
[22:10] <shadeslayer> HAVE MORE FUN
[22:10] <apachelogger> oh btw, so I ordered a new PC from the mighty dell
[22:10] <shadeslayer> WATCH SKYFALL
[22:11] <apachelogger> turns out it takes 20 days to get a PC from dell nowadays
[22:11] <shadeslayer> HAVE FUN @ Science Museum
[22:11] <apachelogger> quite the let down
[22:11] <yofel> Suggests: media-player-info [linux-any]
[22:11] <yofel> not fixed in debian
[22:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I will not ask what a skyfall is
[22:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: best not to
[22:11] <shadeslayer> because I don't know what a skyfall is either
[22:12] <yofel> when you jump from space back to earth :P
[22:12] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, I argued to sune that it should be recommends as that thing there is really more important than suggests as otherwise the detection behavior of solid is broken
[22:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: how does IMAX figure into that?
[22:12] <apachelogger> e.g. apparently my nokia phone is a camera
[22:12] <yofel> not at all but who cares
[22:12] <apachelogger> quite the surprise
[22:12] <apachelogger> yofel: only austrians are allowed to skyfall
[22:13] <apachelogger> also I think that guy got arrested for assulting someone
[22:13] <apachelogger> before I go to bed
[22:13] <apachelogger> I'd totally want to haxx0r bug 215383
[22:13] <apachelogger> so opinions on comment #2 plz
[22:14] <shadeslayer> I'm using kde4 and hardy beta.
[22:14] <shadeslayer> wat
[22:14] <apachelogger> actually add to that: create a KCM
[22:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: aka fix KInfoCenter
[22:14] <apachelogger> cuz in the gnomes they have a control center module to display that information
[22:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[22:14] <shadeslayer> yes
[22:14] <apachelogger> kic has too big a scope for that
[22:15] <shadeslayer> oic
[22:15] <yofel> +1
[22:15] <yofel> some system info is ok, but only the basics
[22:15] <yofel> kic should should more than it currently does anyway
[22:15] <apachelogger> if we were to go the KCM route it would either be ... list it in systemsettings (Which I'd prefer) OR list it as app in the menu OR list it in the help menu of each app
[22:16] <yofel> I'm not particulary happy about the idea of having BOTH 'about KDE' and 'about Kubuntu'
[22:16] <ScottK> yofel: We should.
[22:16] <ScottK> xnox: I'm all for removing useless things.
[22:17] <yofel> well... yeah, but...
[22:17] <apachelogger> yofel: well, long term we should make some plugable magic for upstream so that about KDE can contain additional distro info
[22:17] <yofel> apachelogger: that's about what I had in mind, but how would you call it then?
[22:17] <yofel> (I mean, you can just add a tab)
[22:18] <apachelogger> or actually that might not need to be pluggable but a simple desktop file or something would suffice, after all you should be able to get all the info from lsb-release and then throw in a url for the website and perhaps extra text or something
[22:18] <apachelogger> yofel: that dialog is a bit weird anyway
[22:18] <apachelogger> it's about the community yet it used to be about the product
[22:18] <apachelogger> all messed up
[22:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but then what if you're offline
[22:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: doesnt compute
[22:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how does that have impact on anything?
[22:19] <shadeslayer> "then throw in a url for the website and perhaps extra text or something"
[22:19] <apachelogger> [logo]
[22:20] <apachelogger> [distroname] [distroversion]
[22:20] <apachelogger> [distrourl]
[22:20] <apachelogger> [distrotext]
[22:20] <apachelogger> ^ content of dialog/kcm/widget/whatever
[22:20] <ScottK> xnox: Dropped.
[22:21] <apachelogger> our cd selection screen thing needs to be rdone
[22:21] <apachelogger> anyone remembers where that was stored?
[22:21] <apachelogger> debian-cd?
[22:21] <yofel> cd selection?
[22:21] <apachelogger> well the boot meny thingy that comes up on CD boot
[22:21] <yofel> you mean isolinux or syslinux how that was called?
[22:22] <apachelogger> CD/isoboot
[22:22] <yofel> ah
[22:22] <apachelogger> yofel: isolinux
[22:22] <apachelogger> it still uses le blue
[22:23] <ScottK> Maybe we should hide it by default like Ubuntu does?
[22:23] <apachelogger> also the grey between grub and plymouth is at war with the plymouth grey
[22:23]  * yofel wonders what people have against colors these days -.-
[22:23] <apachelogger> not sure where that comes from
[22:23] <ScottK> Go straight to eh ubiquity screen
[22:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: that's the plan
[22:23] <ScottK> OK.
[22:23] <apachelogger> once I found it ^^
[22:24] <ScottK> Did you find it yet?  If not, I'm sure xnox can tell you which knobs to turn.
[22:32] <apachelogger> yes
[22:32] <apachelogger> it's debian-cd
[22:32] <apachelogger> that's the good news, the bad is that I always get lost in the source base
[22:33]  * yofel gives up on debugging qemu-linaro for now
[22:34] <apachelogger> ScottK: should I reuse that artwork from ubuntu?
[22:35] <ScottK> Dunno.
[22:35] <apachelogger> I am having a hard time imagining a kde version in the limited color space
[22:36] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/08/access-new.png
[22:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: saw my emails
[22:42] <shadeslayer> erm sec
[22:42] <apachelogger> no
[22:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: saw my emails wrt ff-kde?
[22:42] <shadeslayer> meta package anotd what n
[22:42] <shadeslayer> *meta package and what not
[22:42] <shadeslayer> ( silly touchpad )
[22:44] <apachelogger> no clue what it means
[22:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have a package called firefox-kde that has : Depends: firefox (>= 16.0.2+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>+ppa1)
[22:45] <apachelogger> how does that change anything?
[22:46] <shadeslayer> people install firefox-kde , so when an upgrade comes along, it doesn't upgrade to the archive ff cleanly
[22:46] <shadeslayer> It'll complain
[22:46] <apachelogger> Depends: firefox (>= 16.0.2+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>+ppa1)
[22:47] <yofel> >= will upgrade...
[22:47] <apachelogger> it will install cleanly
[22:47] <shadeslayer> bleh, I mean, = 16.0.2+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>+ppa1
[22:47] <apachelogger> also the complaining does not help much, does it?
[22:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: SteveRiley said that it'll help
[22:47] <yofel> shadeslayer: did you actually test that?
[22:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: nope, just a thought at the moment
[22:47] <yofel> as I know apt, it'll just go and remove firefox-kde
[22:48] <yofel> though maybe I'm wrong
[22:48] <shadeslayer> yeah, need to test that ...
[22:49] <shadeslayer> anywho, please reply to thread with thoughts :)
[22:50] <yofel> hm, maybe pinning firefox-kde with 1000 would work
[22:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: saw http://debuild.me/ ?
[22:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: that's what I want to avoid
[22:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: not yet
[22:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: why?
[22:51] <shadeslayer> Preferably want to completely hide pinning
[22:51] <yofel> I didn't mean pinning a specific version
[22:51] <yofel> ship the pin in the package?
[22:51] <shadeslayer> hm ... postinst scripts ....
[22:52] <shadeslayer> and postrm scripts
[22:53] <yofel> grrrrr, this is freakin' useless: http://paste.kde.org/600374/
[23:05] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/09/plasma-desktopvN2536.png
[23:06] <apachelogger> someone hold on to that screeny so you can give it to me when I start whining about how I forgot what the youbuntoo thing lists in 2 hours
[23:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh, btw, I think I'll wait with the coloring stuff
[23:08] <ScottK> OK.
[23:08] <apachelogger> IIRC nuno is planning a new wallpaper for 4.10
[23:09] <apachelogger> so I'll have to get him to show me the current version to decide whether grey is still the way to go
[23:09] <apachelogger> though I think there was talk of not being so grey ^^
[23:10] <ScottK> I'm in favor of not so grey.
[23:10] <apachelogger> yeah me too, it is gettig old :P
[23:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what desktop did you buy?