[20:41] <gizmoguy> FYI getting a 500 error trying to load this URL: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/22.04/release/
[20:53] <ravage> try https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04.2/
[21:04] <gizmoguy> looking for the ARM iso
[21:04] <gizmoguy> managed to fetch it via cdimage rsync, but thought i'd let you know about the 500 error in case it hadn't been reported already
[21:58] <sarnold> gizmoguy: indeed you were the first :)


[02:36] <jessicajames> how can i find system properties in xubuntu?
[02:36] <jessicajames> like...see how much RAM I have..
[02:36] <jessicajames> see what kind of architecutre i have
[02:36] <jessicajames> my processors
[02:36] <jessicajames> etc
[02:37] <bazhang> sudo lshw
[02:37] <bazhang> !vesrion
[02:37] <bazhang> whoopsie
[02:37] <Unit193> The command lshw will be... Also cat /proc/cpuinfo  or free -m
[02:37] <bazhang> !version
[02:38] <jessicajames> it doesn't say if i'm 64bit or not..
[02:38] <jessicajames> there's not gui system properties?
[02:38] <jessicajames> something that shows network usage
[02:38] <jessicajames> disk usage
[02:38] <jessicajames> et
[02:38] <jessicajames> c
[02:38] <jessicajames> Like the other distros :( can i download it? what's it called? I'm freaking out!
[02:38] <jessicajames> lol
[02:38] <jessicajames> i like this distro though...very fast
[02:39] <ToZ> jessicajames, you can install hardinfo for gui display of system properties
[02:39] <Unit193> lshw-gtk? :P
[02:40] <holstein> jessicajames: it might be "like the other desktop environments"
[02:40] <holstein> jessicajames: if you can remember what those tools are, they will be installable (likely) from the default repo
[02:40] <well_laid_lawn> conky is good for system info
[02:41] <holstein> !conky
[02:41] <holstein> !help conky
[02:41] <well_laid_lawn> !info conky
[02:41] <holstein> !info conky
[02:41] <jessicajames> i like conky
[02:41] <jessicajames> but i was looking for the system monitor
[02:41] <jessicajames> i think i need to install gnome-system-monitor
[02:42] <holstein> well, you dont "need" to, but you certainly can... if you are used to certain tools, go for it
[02:42] <jessicajames> I love you guys already
[02:42] <jessicajames> only 102 people in here, and so helpful
[02:42] <jessicajames> i'd ask a question in 600 person channel #fedora
[02:42] <jessicajames> and get no useful, respectful ansewr
[02:42] <jessicajames> so i appreciate it guys
[04:11] <kingsix> hi all, I am having trouble getting transparency to work in Xfce.  it worked after a fresh install, but after installing proprietary drivers it's not working
[04:12] <kingsix> transparent xfce panels
[04:33] <uzver> for transparent panel u need to enable compositing
[07:10] <bikcmp> how do I disable that little dock at the lower part of the screen?
[07:10] <bikcmp> it's driving me nuts.
[07:11] <Unit193> It's just a panel, right click  > Remove  (or panel > preferences then remove)
[07:46] <bikcmp> Unit193: no it isn't
[07:47] <bikcmp> Unit193: found it though
[07:47] <bikcmp> :P
[07:47] <Unit193> Unless you added something, the thing at the bottom is a xfce panel.
[07:48] <bikcmp> yah
[07:48] <bikcmp> Unit193: i right clicked it a couple times
[07:48] <bikcmp> found panel settings
[07:48] <bikcmp> then pressed the X
[07:48] <bikcmp> anyway got it, thanks
[07:48] <bikcmp> haha
[07:57] <hass> hi every body
[08:50] <schmerp> new to xubuntu ...arriving from mint 13 cinnamon
[08:51] <well_laid_lawn> !hi | schmerp
[08:51] <schmerp> thanks , both...
[08:53] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[08:53] <schmerp> or I guess well_laid_lawn and ....right....
[08:53] <well_laid_lawn> heh :)
[08:53] <schmerp> got me...hehe
[08:55] <schmerp> Have to admit that I havent tried xubuntu in a couple years....for some reason...any way ...it's now time to move to something a little less resource intensive....
[09:29] <uzver> hi. somebody using xfce+copmiz+plank?
[09:32] <well_laid_lawn> !info plank
[09:32] <well_laid_lawn> prolly not
[09:33] <well_laid_lawn> !find plank
[10:14] <Mathsterk> stupid apt-get, it pukes error messages at me again :(
[10:37] <Kaapa> hello there
[10:37] <Kaapa> Since today's upgrade I'm not seeing a bunch of icons on the tray
[10:37] <Kaapa> any clue on how to debug what's happening?
[11:05] <Alan> Anybody else had any weird behaviour from recent updates? I seem to be getting intermittent hangs
[11:07] <Alan> as in the mouse movement freezes and audio loops its buffer for about 0.5-1 seconds before resuming as normal
[11:09] <Kaapa> I did see some unfluent behavior with the mouse
[11:10] <Kaapa> I just bought a new one, was blaming it on that
[11:10] <Kaapa> not to 1 sec
[11:10] <Kaapa> what happened was losing tray icons
[11:10] <Kaapa> did that happen to you?
[11:10] <Kaapa> a bunch of them went away
[11:10] <Alan> no
[11:10] <Alan> nothing actually seems to be stopping working
[11:11] <Mathsterk> i haven't had any problems, 12.04 works better for me than 11.04
[11:11] <Alan> just IO seems to hang for a fraction of a second
[11:11] <Alan> this only started happening today
[11:11] <Alan> ah well, i just rebooted, let's see if it was just something in a weird state
[11:14] <Alan> damn, still happening
[11:14] <Alan> how the hell do you even go about debugging such a thing?
[11:16] <Mathsterk> Alan: maybe hw problems?
[11:19] <Alan> Mathsterk: nothing's changed... also, it's less frequent now i've rebooted...
[11:20] <Alan> actually, seems to coincide with these in /var/log/syslog
[11:20] <Alan> Jul  3 12:19:42 arbeit kernel: [  609.589933] type=1701 audit(1341314382.631:37): auid=4294967295 uid=1000 gid=1000 ses=4294967295 pid=2242 comm="chrome" reason="seccomp" sig=0 syscall=2 compat=0 ip=0x7fe151dd658d code=0x50002
[11:21] <Alan> what are those?
[11:21] <Mathsterk> ps aux | grep 2242
[11:22] <Alan> doesn't always coincide with them though
[11:22] <Alan> alan      2242  0.1  0.6<PHONE_NUMBER>2 ?        Sl   12:10   0:00 /opt/google/chrome/chrome --type=gpu-process --channel=1965.24.1306103588 --disable-gl-multisampling
[11:25] <Alan> let's see if things improve if i kill chrome's gpu process
[11:25] <Alan> maybe it's touching the graphics driver in ways it doesn't like
[11:25] <Alan> nope, that didn't help
[11:25] <Mathsterk> well, was worth a try :P
[11:25] <Alan> yeah
[11:25] <Mathsterk> try killing unecessary processes
[11:26] <Alan> there's no indication on my CPU graphs or in htop of any symptoms
[11:26] <Mathsterk> what's your cpu load?
[11:26] <Alan> i just have no idea what I can do to try and capture what's happening
[11:26] <Alan> you mean load averages? or %?
[11:27] <Mathsterk> avg of last minute
[11:27] <Alan> 0.7-ish
[11:28] <Alan> on a hyperthreading dual-core downclocked to 1.6GHz (automatically, because of low load!)
[11:30] <Mathsterk> 1.5-ish on a intel m @ 1.6 ghz. so that's not the problem (the computer freezes if load exceeds 8)
[11:37] <BootSplashQuesti> hi...a friend of mine installed the latest xbuntu and says the start at boot is black for 15 seconds and then it takes another 15 seconds until the desktop is ready...is there a way to reduce the 15 seconds in darkness or show what is going on? is it by design or can you make it show what is going on like e. g. Knoppic live when it shows identifying of hardware? thank you in advance...I guess it could be a resolution prob
[11:38] <baizon> BootSplashQuesti: yes
[11:39] <BootSplashQuesti> heeheehee
[11:39] <baizon> BootSplashQuesti: edit /etd/default/grub
[11:39] <BootSplashQuesti> so it is black by design and can't be reduced in time?
[11:39] <baizon> and change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[11:39] <baizon> from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet spash"
[11:39] <BootSplashQuesti> sudo nano etc/default/grub ?
[11:39] <baizon> BootSplashQuesti: its plymouth
[11:40] <baizon> BootSplashQuesti: yes that will work
[11:40] <BootSplashQuesti> okay, I have heard of Plymouth
[11:40] <baizon> the drivers arent good yet (os drivers)
[11:40] <BootSplashQuesti> thank you for your help...just curious...will it show the hardware recognition?
[11:40] <baizon> thats why, normally you get a nice splash screen
[11:40] <BootSplashQuesti> oh okay
[11:40] <baizon> BootSplashQuesti: should, if not ask again
[11:41] <baizon> there is another solution for this :)
[11:41] <BootSplashQuesti> thank you very much =)
[11:41] <baizon> that solution will work 100% :)
[11:41] <baizon> np
[11:41] <BootSplashQuesti> what is the other solution? if you have the time that is
[11:41] <baizon> add this line to /etc/default/grub
[11:42] <baizon> this: GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1366x768
[11:42] <baizon> but the resolution has to be the same as your display support
[11:42] <BootSplashQuesti> ah right
[11:42] <BootSplashQuesti> you are my hero
[11:42] <baizon> this is my laptops resolution :)
[11:42] <BootSplashQuesti> I figured it is =)
[11:42] <baizon> ok :)
[12:02] <BootSplashQuesti> am I correct that the GRUB_TIMEOUT only is used when there is a menu to choose between different things?
[12:03] <baizon> yes
[12:03] <baizon> its the delay for the grub menu
[12:03] <BootSplashQuesti> thank you...just trying to see if my friend can speed the boot up
[12:04] <BootSplashQuesti> 15 seconds sounds normal to me
[12:04] <baizon> BootSplashQuesti: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=254263
[12:05] <baizon> this can help
[12:05] <baizon> i need 35 sec into my system
[12:05] <BootSplashQuesti> thank you for the link
[12:05] <baizon> np
[12:09] <BootSplashQuesti> is your boot splash black by the way as default?
[12:10] <Mathsterk> my boot screen is black, for about 3 sec (on a slo computer)
[12:11] <BootSplashQuesti> I am not an expert on the sequences while booting but I think those 3 seconds might be something different from what my friend means
[12:11] <Mathsterk> bois-splash, post, black screen for some seconds, login, login-splash
[12:11] <BootSplashQuesti> let me rephrase...the Xubuntu default boot splash...does it show that it is doing something or the logo?
[12:12] <baizon> BootSplashQuesti: yes it has an animation
[12:12] <baizon> like windows xp
[12:12] <BootSplashQuesti> oh then he needs to set the resultion in grub
[12:13] <BootSplashQuesti> I didn't understand the vbemode...how does he see which resolutions grub supports?
[12:14] <xubuntu119> jk
[12:15] <BootSplashQuesti> jk?
[12:15] <Mathsterk> just kicking
[12:15] <xubuntu119> sorry I'm prove the xat
[12:15] <xubuntu119> it's not in spanish¿?
[12:15] <xubuntu119> because I speak few englis
[12:19] <xubuntu119> I'm looking for take a documentation in spanish for xubuntu 12.04,itś posibly?or any page with spanish people online for help me
[12:20] <baizon> !ask es
[12:20] <xubuntu119> yeah
[12:20] <baizon> damn how was the command
[12:20] <baizon> !ask xubuntu119 | es
[12:20] <Pici> !es
[12:21] <baizon> damn it
[12:21] <baizon> thank you Pici
[12:21] <BootSplashQuesti> !se
[12:21] <xubuntu119> gracias ubottu
[12:21] <BootSplashQuesti> cool
[12:22] <xubuntu119> I'm leave thanks,bye
[12:25] <BootSplashQuesti> thank you all for your help and have a good day *waves*
[12:29] <baizon> bye
[12:37] <cousteau> how do I eject a disc using `eject`?
[12:37] <cousteau> `eject` seems to try to eject /dev/cdrom, but no such unit exists
[12:37] <cousteau> eject -t /dev/sr0   worked for closing a tray, but then I can't open it again with the command
[12:38] <baizon> cousteau: im using ejecter :)
[12:38] <baizon> is a nice tool
[12:38] <baizon> cousteau: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/ejector-tray-app-adds-indicator-applet-support
[12:38] <cousteau> the file manager (Thunar, I think) was able to eject the disc
[12:38] <Mathsterk> eject *where your cdrom is*
[12:39] <baizon> no ppa needed :)
[12:39] <baizon> yes thunar can eject too
[12:39] <cousteau> weird...  does the device have to have a disc to be ejected?
[12:40] <Mathsterk> usually, no
[12:40] <cousteau> eject /dev/sr0 complains about an ioctl function not appropriate
[12:41] <cousteau> eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[12:41] <cousteau> (all this because I'm too lazy to stretch my arm and push the button...)
[12:41] <Mathsterk> try -r
[12:43] <cousteau> input/output error
[12:43] <Mathsterk> cousteau: get a microcontroller and a servo
[12:44] <cousteau> anyway...  my main concern was actually that /dev/cdrom doesn't exist and that eject should default to sr0 instead
[12:45] <cousteau> ok, I will...
[12:45] <Mathsterk> read man eject
[12:45]  * cousteau picks a TI Piccolo
[12:45] <Mathsterk> and try different options
[12:45] <cousteau> I did, but it's not quite easy to read if I don't know what I'm looking for
[12:46] <Mathsterk> try -m
[12:51] <cousteau> nothing...
[12:51] <cousteau> anyway, it wasn't very urgent
[12:54] <Mathsterk> maybe just get a stick? :P
[12:54] <cousteau> heh
[12:54]  * cousteau was thinking on a memory stick and wondering how would that help
[13:29] <lars__> Hi! :)
[13:29] <Mathsterk> hi
[13:29] <BronzeEagle> Hello, I'm having issues with using dual monitors when I run xrandr --output DVI-0 --left-of DVI-1 it does what it's supposed to, but I can't use the mouse on DVI-1
[13:29] <Mathsterk> sounds like a weird problem
[13:30] <BronzeEagle> Yeah, I can drag a window to DVI-1 but it stops at the edge of DVI-0
[13:30] <baizon> BronzeEagle: try arandr :)
[13:32] <BronzeEagle> baizon: Okay I installed arandr and it's still doing the same thin
[13:32] <BronzeEagle> g
[13:33] <baizon> what resolutions do you have on both monitors?
[13:34] <BronzeEagle> DVI-0: 1280x1024 | DVI-1: 1024x768
[13:34] <baizon> BronzeEagle: xubuntu or ubuntu?
[13:35] <BronzeEagle> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[13:35] <baizon> BronzeEagle: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1966122
[13:39] <BronzeEagle> I don't have that sticky edge option
[13:40] <baizon> sorry cant help :(
[13:40] <baizon> try #ubuntu :)
[13:40] <BronzeEagle> Alright thanks for the help (:
[13:40] <Mathsterk> BronzeEagle: tried the other option?
[13:40] <baizon> np
[13:44] <BronzeEagle> Mathsterk: I don't have "Ubuntu Unity Plugin" either
[13:45] <Mathsterk> ok
[17:19] <roninn> does anyone else have the window border only 1px thick, the border you can resize the windows etc.?
[17:28] <lotato> hello! :-)
[17:29] <pleia2> roninn: see #3 http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[17:30] <lotato> I just had a quick question. What is 'beep' and 'digital'? http://i3.lulzimg.com/5d614414cf.png
[17:30] <Mathsterk> roninn: yeah
[17:31] <pleia2> lotato: all those are pulled from the soundcard and vary by device (I don't know for those)
[17:31] <lotato> ah ok, so it's different for everyone?
[17:32] <Mathsterk> beep is probably the beep speaker or the volume of beep on speakers
[17:32] <pleia2> lotato: different for every card anyway :) mine doesn't have those
[17:33] <lotato> yikes, I was hoping someone could tell me why I have what seems like three bars for my microphone :-P
[17:33] <Mathsterk> and i can guess digital is s/pdif or something
[17:34] <lotato> also, is the second comment correct? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=898488
[17:34] <lotato> regarding having PCM >74%
[17:35] <Mathsterk> i prefer to have master and headphones at max and adjust pcm
[17:37] <lotato> Ah, I do the exact opposite. I have headphones at max, but adjust the master and keep PCM under 74%
[17:48] <Mathsterk> stupid kern.log
[17:49] <Mathsterk> 8.1G kern.log
[17:49] <Mathsterk> 9.5G kern.log.1
[18:56] <popolon> hi
[18:56] <popolon> does anyone know if there is a solution for the xfce4-cpugraph-plugin ?
[18:56] <popolon> it doens't work at all on Xubuntu 12.04
[18:57] <Mathsterk> it works for me
[18:57] <popolon> hddtemp return an error (no right to read /dev/sda*) too
[18:57] <popolon> there are several reports on the web about this bug :(
[18:57] <popolon> and if I click on it with left or right mouse button, there is no popup menu
[18:58] <popolon> this could also be a device read problem ???
[18:58] <Mathsterk> popolon: tried a reinstall?
[18:58] <popolon> it detect well the 8 virtual core of my cpu
[18:58] <popolon> installed from scratch
[18:58] <popolon> after a bad update from ubuntu studio
[18:58] <popolon> this time I installed xubuntu
[18:59] <popolon> Mathsterk, you mean reinstall the plugin ?
[18:59] <Mathsterk> you could also try that
[18:59] <Mathsterk> remember to use --purge
[19:01] <popolon> purged
[19:01] <popolon> reinstalled
[19:01] <popolon> added another
[19:01] <popolon> now two sticks to the bar ;p
[19:02] <popolon> is there another mean to rm them from the bar ?
[19:02] <popolon> perhaps only by modyfing config files
[19:03] <Mathsterk> right click on the panel, panel>panel preferences>items>choose the plugin>press the remove button
[19:03] <popolon> Mathsterk, ok, thanks
[19:05] <popolon> oh, I understand
[19:06] <popolon> the only two pixel at the top, between cpubar and top of the screen allow to right click to obtain menu
[19:20] <popolon> doesn't work at all :(
[19:20] <xubuntu022> what is the support length of 1.10?
[19:20] <popolon> 11.10 ?
[19:20] <popolon> one year I suppose
[19:20] <xubuntu022> yes, mistyped
[19:21] <xubuntu022> thanks
[19:23] <Pici> popolon: its 18 months for every non-lts release.
[19:24] <popolon> ah ok
[19:24] <popolon> sorry then
[19:25] <popolon> and 24 or 48 month for lts ?
[19:25] <Mathsterk> 48
[19:25] <Mathsterk> i think
[22:35] <martinphone> I need more help: Im trying to install goldendicts for goldendict following http://goldendict.org/dictionaries.php, the part that reads: If instead of .bgl files you are getting .exe installers, use 7Zip to extract them (use full version of 7Zip, the one which supports CAB files). The .bgl files would be inside. TXubuntu's default file extractor will show a plurality of files, but not a CAB file, wh
[22:35] <martinphone> ats the linux app that will extract from .exe to cab?
[22:35] <martinphone> Also I tried it with wine, a babylon installation menu appears, but it freezes there.. "ids loading"
[22:36] <Mathsterk> use file-roller or something
[22:42] <martinphone> Mathsterk, thats archive manager... doesnt work
[22:43] <blackgatonegro> are you online most of the time?
[22:43] <Mathsterk> mine can open .exe's
[22:43] <Mathsterk> martinphone: online when i'm awake
[22:44] <martinphone> Mathsterk, mine too, but it wont display results as the CAB file I need, but 5 different filetypes and files
[22:44] <Mathsterk> try installing 7z and run 7z x (exe file)
[22:45] <blackgatonegro> then just use google translator
[22:45] <blackgatonegro> the tz option sounds good
[22:47] <martinphone> Mathsterk, command line? p7zip-full is installed (synaptic) I cannot see an acces icon or find it in app finder
[22:47] <Mathsterk> man 7z
[22:48] <well_laid_lawn> run it in the terminal
[22:54] <martinphone> cabextract p7zip and file roller are all installed and work
[22:54] <martinphone> but tz x filename extracted exactly the same files as file roller, not the CAB file I need, and cabextract is installed
[22:55] <knome> afaik cabextract is for extracting other files from cab files, not cab files from other files
[22:56] <Mathsterk> martinphone: not tz, 7z
[22:56] <Mathsterk> the number seven and z
[22:56] <martinphone> im trying to follow these instructions as faithfully as I can: If instead of .bgl files you are getting .exe installers, use 7Zip to extract them (use full version of 7Zip, the one which supports CAB files). The .bgl files would be inside.
[22:57] <martinphone> so I have an exe file that theoretically contains a BGL file
[22:59] <blackgatonegro> p7zip
[23:00] <blackgatonegro> p7zip is the Unix command-line port of 7-Zip, a file archiver that archives with high compression ratios, try that one
[23:01] <mongy> I'm trying to manually add an app to the top level menu next to the exo stuff by adding X-Xfce-Toplevel to the Categories section but it's showing up way down inbetween multimedia and system
[23:02] <martinphone> blackgatonegro, so p7zip-full is not the one...
[23:03] <blackgatonegro> nope
[23:03] <blackgatonegro> that one just add 7zip conpresion to your default compresed file manager
[23:04] <blackgatonegro> search "p7zip" on synaptic
[23:04] <blackgatonegro> and install that one
[23:05] <martinphone> should I uninstall p7zip-full?
[23:07] <blackgatonegro> no
[23:07] <martinphone> am I closer? dict$ p7zip x "Chinese(T)-English.exe"
[23:07] <martinphone> Usage: /usr/bin/p7zip [-d] [-h|--help] [file]
[23:07] <martinphone>     -h print this help
[23:07] <martinphone>     -d decompress file
[23:07] <martinphone> , where do I add the -d?
[23:07] <blackgatonegro> leave it
[23:08] <blackgatonegro> try 7zip x -d "Chinese(T)-English.exe"
[23:10] <martinphone> 7zip: command not found, the list suggest p7zip... retrying
[23:11] <martinphone> nope: p7zip x -d "Chinese(T)-English.exe"
[23:11] <martinphone> Usage: /usr/bin/p7zip [-d] [-h|--help] [file]
[23:11] <martinphone>     -h print this help
[23:11] <martinphone>     -d decompress file
[23:12] <Mathsterk> p7zip -d "Chinese(T)-English.exe"
[23:12] <martinphone> a...
[23:14] <martinphone> aww, he left...
[23:14] <martinphone> p7zip -d "Chinese(T)-English.exe"
[23:14] <martinphone> /usr/bin/p7zip: Chinese(T)-English.exe: unknown suffix -- ignored
[23:14] <martinphone> can anyone else help me?
[23:15] <well_laid_lawn> did you try    p7zip -d "Chinese(T)-English.exe"   ?
[23:15] <Mathsterk> try: p7zip -d "Chinese\(T\)\-English.exe"
[23:18] <martinphone> no, its still the same : unknown suffix -- ignored
[23:19] <well_laid_lawn> the suffix is the .exe bit so maybe the linux version doesn't do windows files
[23:20] <well_laid_lawn> might be easier to use a linux app instead of trying to use a windows one
[23:21] <well_laid_lawn> what's special about goldendicts?
[23:22] <martinphone> that it lets the user customize the dictionaries he wants and is not internet dependent
[23:22] <martinphone> no ads
[23:23] <martinphone> so ill have to either use wine or a windows machine...
[23:23] <well_laid_lawn> you could try renaming the exe
[23:24] <martinphone> to what?
[23:24] <martinphone> you mean just the fylesystem or to a.exe?
[23:24] <Mathsterk> martinphone: try mv "Chinese(T)-English.exe" chinese_english.exe
[23:24] <well_laid_lawn> I mean rename the exe you are trying to unpack
[23:25] <well_laid_lawn> I'd leave the .exe off as that's why it's failing
[23:26] <knome> well_laid_lawn, that most probably won't help, since it still doesn't know how to handle .exe files
[23:26] <martinphone> renamed as Mathsterk suggested, same message
[23:26] <well_laid_lawn> knome: that's why i suggested using something else in the first place
[23:27] <knome> martinphone, can you please try to ask for help in the goldendict forum?
[23:27] <martinphone> so wine or windows machine...
[23:27] <martinphone> ok
[23:28] <martinphone> thanks anyway


[00:29] <darklord__> hello. anyone have experience on how to correctly configure a broadcom chipset wnda3100v2 in ubuntu?
[00:30] <bones__> @dark
[00:30] <bones__> I do a little, depending on what you're needing it for
[00:30] <bones__> I'm assuming just basic wifi access?
[00:30] <darklord__> well, i'm hoping to use the dual band for packet injection, eventually
[00:31] <bones__> Yeah I figured as much
[00:31] <bones__> broadcom chipsets are finniky at best
[00:31] <bones__> I'll give a quick check to see the compatability for you
[00:31] <bones__> one sec
[00:31] <darklord__> i have kali on a usb and was able to get it- after a day or so of searching- configured for an hour or so, but it's not connected anymore.
[00:32] <bones__> is it interna or external?
[00:32] <darklord__> external- i have an internal that i was able to wlan0 down to switch
[00:33] <bones__> you shouldn't have to down any other chips
[00:33] <bones__> you can actually run both at the same time doing different things
[00:33] <darklord__> it would be nice not to have to do so
[00:33] <bones__> they don't generally interfere with each other that I've experienced
[00:33] <bones__> I have a broadcom that I use to start up and just keep dumps
[00:34] <bones__> then have an atheros I have doing all the work
[00:34] <darklord__> well, i've got windows 7 setup on the desktop in my room, but run most of my virtual machines such as whonix, tails, kali, and ubuntu from my laptop
[00:35] <bones__> you do those all on live iso's?
[00:35] <darklord__> and that's why i need the wifi card to setup on ubuntu and kali- so that i can keep my virtual machines in my encrypted partitions within a FDE setup
[00:35] <bones__> or have them all strapped?
[00:36] <darklord__> no, ubuntu 13.10 is my main o.s.- the rest are live or virtual.
[00:36] <darklord__> what's strapped?
[00:36] <bones__> I mean all perma installed
[00:36] <darklord__> just ubuntu
[00:38] <darklord__> but i keep the entire drive encrypted. bios password is on, bootloader is encrypted as well, and i have truecrypt partitions for encryption as well
[00:38] <bones__> just missing the magnet blocks under your seat
[00:38] <bones__> yeah.
[00:38] <bones__> This is what I thought
[00:39] <bones__> that chipset is finiky as is
[00:39] <bones__> you'd be able to get it to function but I would doubt ever getting it to inject
[00:40] <bones__> but thats just first glance
[00:40] <bones__> there is a chance
[00:40] <bones__> I doubt injection but basic working
[00:40] <bones__> do you see it listed in Ubuntu when you call for the usb inputs?
[00:42] <darklord__> lsusb?
[00:42] <darklord__> yeah, it shows up
[00:44] <bones__> is it the g version or the g/n version?
[00:45] <bones__> ! I mean, N, or G/N
[00:45] <darklord__> i'll still use it rather than return it, regardless, given that it's useful on my desktop windows workstation. i was just hoping there was a way to do it. i've tried the wine installation of the wnda drivers, but it proceeded to give me an error. on a note, though, the one time that i was able to get it to work (as indicated by both an addional option in the network configuration menu as well as an orange indicator light from the
[00:45] <darklord__> wifi adapter)- i was able to do so through the command terminal
[00:45] <darklord__> it's a/b/g/n
[00:46] <bones__> you can try installing the ndiswrapper for the bcm43, that is your best bet, I'll post a link for you
[00:46] <bones__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Broadcom_BCM4311_rev_01_(ndiswrapper)
[00:46] <bones__> but then even after doing this you're still just going to have managed to have a broadcom fuinction mosting into monitoring mode mostly, but not able to inject
[00:46] <darklord__> it's on the 2.4 GHz b/g/n/ bands and on the a/n bands for 5 GHz
[00:47] <bones__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[00:48] <bones__> thats a list of the drivers best suited to use
[00:48] <bones__> I'd had figured Kali would have had some support for broadcoms though
[00:48] <darklord__> i would assume it does- and it may be that it was kali from which i was able to get it configured. honestly, it was a few weeks ago and i've been going through so many different o.s. that i don't remember
[00:50] <bones__> I always just try to stay clear of broadcoms
[00:50] <bones__> !list
[00:50] <bones__> heh
[00:50] <darklord__> what's the absolute top on the line go-to wireless answer for linux with packet injection and great range?
[00:51] <bones__> I'll give you the link
[00:51] <bones__> one sec
[00:51] <darklord__> thanks for your help, bones
[00:52] <bones__> http://www.amazon.ca/Alfa-AWUS036H-802-11b-Wireless-Network/dp/B0045C6MGA this is a cheaper version
[00:52] <bones__> it's like 30$
[00:52] <bones__> but if you just look into these type of things
[00:53] <bones__> they can get better
[00:53] <bones__> and read for blocks
[00:54] <bones__> you could up it to 2000mw but, that was a year or so ago, I'm not possitive what the best is now.
[00:54] <bones__> but, I know those never let you down if you're moving on from a netgear n600
[00:58] <darklord__> so alfa in general? should i just get one with a higher model number? and let me ask you this: i've got 16 Gb ram on my 2.20 GHz i7 and run the whonix workstation and gateway with roughly 5 or 6 Gig of ram each, but would it be better to allocate for ram to the workstation and less to the gateway as it servers only as the router?
[01:01] <bones__> alfa in general yeah. I'm sure there's better things out there now. Especially how the markets switching to coin minners now too.
[01:02] <bones__> and I'd figured if you're just routing to your own things. unless you're needing a lot of cash overflow then less is more really
[01:02] <bones__> workstations always take more resources
[01:02] <bones__> but, tbh, you might be able to answer that better than I would
[01:08] <darklord__> i allocate more towards the workstation now and it's worked fine either way.
[01:09] <bones__> so you just doing this for fun?
[01:11] <darklord__> just for learning purposes, yes- i've recently made the transition from windows to linux a few months ago.
[01:12] <darklord__> but i've dedicated a fair amount of time to it since getting introduced.
[01:14] <darklord__> i think that the point at which one becomes what could be considered addicted is when they're searching all over the internet for source code
[01:28] <bones__> darklord: I liked when I thought one day after I switched and wanted to get a windows OS back onto my netbook in a dual boot situation but needed to do it over the net, and just thought about how much of a pain in the ass it would be
[01:28] <bones__> and laughed
[03:09] <utusan> what was updated on 12.04.4?  The release notes is empty.  Nothing said as if  Kubuntu wished it didn't happened.
[05:15] <jackyalcine> Is Kubuntu Active the mobile-friendly version of Kubuntu?
[05:16] <lukas> czech?
[05:16] <rww> !cz
[05:20] <tsimpson> jackyalcine: yes, but beware that it's highly experimental
[07:17] <jackyalcine> tsimpson: experimental is my middle name, how did you know? ;)
[07:19] <jackyalcine> I have another phone I've used primarly for testing (the Nexus 4)
[07:35] <jackyalcine> it didn't boot :/
[07:35] <jackyalcine> going to try trusty amd64 now
[09:25] <yossarianuk> hi -can anyone recommend an alternative to k9copy (no longer availiable)
[09:28] <valorie> k3b will do it, right?
[09:29] <hewhomust> yes
[09:29] <yossarianuk> k9copy used to do what dvdshrink+dvd decrypter on winblows used to...
[09:30] <yossarianuk> i.e can k3b shink also ?
[09:30] <valorie> that I don't know
[09:31] <yossarianuk> only one way of finding aboout I guess.
[09:31] <yossarianuk> thanks
[09:31] <valorie> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2180393
[09:31] <valorie> has some more ideas
[09:32] <valorie> including the cli one,  xdvdshrink
[09:35] <yossarianuk> ah - looks like there is no software that does the same (aloone)
[09:35] <yossarianuk> shame...
[09:40] <valorie> well, maybe you should port over k9copy!
[09:41] <valorie> find some folks to work with you, and Just Do It
[09:43] <yossarianuk> valorie: i.e the sorce exists for the old version?
[09:43] <valorie> yes, of course
[09:43] <yossarianuk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k9copy
[09:43] <valorie> you might have to dig for it in svn, but it is there
[09:44] <valorie> ok, still in launchpad
[09:44] <valorie> now, that might be patched, so it's worth looking at svn in the KDE repo
[09:44] <valorie> it probably was never moved to git
[10:17] <excognac> anybody tried ever copy dvds with k3b? cos it kinda sucks.
[10:18] <amari> Hi whenever I play a video my laptop screen becomes dark after a few seconds, How can I disable that?
[10:23] <excognac> amari: watch less Tarkovski. with power management sttings
[10:24] <excognac> amari: you find power management settings on system tray
[10:59] <odinsbane> If I have an issue with kubuntu 14.04, should I ask about it here or in #ubuntu+1?
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:32] <ronaldsmazitis> hello
[14:09] <LucidGuy> and I'm back
[14:27]  * LucidGuy FIXED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:28] <LucidGuy> It only took me 3 hours
[15:32] <BluesKaj> ok LucidGuy, care to share your fix method?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> xorg-edgers?
[15:55] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, Ok.. I removed all nvidia drivers via dpkg/purge.  I then manually deleted an nvidiafb.ko file.  I then installed the nvidia-331 package via apt-get.  Now the only real difference from my previous attempts was deleting that nvidiafb.ko file (restarted immediately after).  A colleague of mine mentioned hes heard a few people recently complaining about a similiar issue after performing updates.  So... was it my efforts? Or did Ub
[15:55] <LucidGuy> untu/maintainers fix the package?
[15:57] <LucidGuy> Ohhh .. I also installed the nvidia-331 package with the --install-suggested option, which caused the nvidia-331-uvm package to be installed also
[15:59] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, thoughts?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy, that's new to me, could be your gpu isn't quite compatible without the uvm package, because I don't seem to need it with the geforce 8400gs
[16:05] <BluesKaj> let me check my other pc
[16:07] <BluesKaj> ok, neither of my desktops require the uvm package
[16:08] <BluesKaj> both using 8400gs
[16:09] <BluesKaj> basic entry level pci cards tho, not fancy like yours, LucidGuy
[16:10] <LucidGuy> I'm not suggesting that addtional package resolved my issue, but I noticed the uvm package was a "suggested" with the nvidia-331 package
[16:11] <LucidGuy> My kernel driver in use is "nvidia" ..
[16:12] <LucidGuy> nvidia-settings simply says version 331.20..
[16:13] <LucidGuy> I wish I knew where that nvidiafb.ko module came from?  And I bet by removing it and restarting allowed for my install to succeed.
[16:14] <dougl> morning BluesKaj
[16:14] <dougl> LucidGuy, what was your issue you fixed?
[16:14] <BluesKaj> 'Morning dougl
[16:15] <LucidGuy> dougl, Performed a simple apt-get dist-upgrade and destroyed my systems ability to use the nvidia drivers
[16:16] <dougl> LucidGuy, on what 13.10
[16:16] <LucidGuy> dougl, 12.04
[16:16] <dougl> oh
[16:16] <LucidGuy> I stick to LTS versions
[16:17] <LucidGuy> I'll be deploying 12.04 on all my systems in this office in the next 2-3 months
[16:18] <dougl> I did update on my 14.04 and my effects quit working was wondering if anyone else's did...thot LucidGuy already had fix...
[16:18] <LucidGuy> I know, 14.04 is not far, but I prefer stability over everything else.  We are currently running 10.04 on all systems still.
[16:18] <dougl> 12.04 why notr ...
[16:18] <dougl> gotcha
[16:18] <LucidGuy> dougl, are you sure your still using your nvidia drivers?
[16:19] <dougl> LucidGuy, I think so not sure how to change to neuvow dont know how to spell it either lol
[16:20] <LucidGuy> My graphics looked fine, just my second monitor was not responding.  If I had a single monitor I probably would not have noticed right away that my system was not using the nvidia drivers
[16:21] <dougl> I am not too worried... after all this is alpha ... just greatful I am not on the windowxs machine or the old mac
[16:23] <LucidGuy> dougl, that would bug me..  I want proper GPU performance.
[16:27] <dougl> BluesKaj, does your effects work on your 14.04 config?/
[16:28] <dougl> still after yesterdays update?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> yes, dougl
[16:29] <dougl> k thanks
[16:29] <BluesKaj> I don't use an xorg.conf file
[16:30] <dougl> I don't do anything other than stock is that xorg.conf?
[16:34] <LucidGuy> dougl, if you use nvidia drivers you want an xorg.conf file
[16:35] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, you using nouveau?
[16:35] <dougl> LucidGuy, thanks
[16:35] <LucidGuy> Or just an onboard basic GPU
[16:35] <dougl> 8400
[16:35] <dougl> for BluesKaj
[16:36] <dougl> how do I switch back to nouveau drivers?
[16:37] <LucidGuy> dougl, remove the xorg.conf file should do the trick
[16:37] <dougl> or remove the nvidia and reinstall them ... I noticed lots of xorg updates yesterday
[16:38] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy, nvidia-331 on both
[16:38] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, you have nvidia drivers with not xorg.conf file?
[16:39] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, how does that work?  If you make a change via nvidia-settings, it wants to save to xorg.conf
[16:39] <BluesKaj> yes, LucidGuy, xorg.conf is no longer default
[16:40] <BluesKaj> it's just optional if you really need it
[16:40] <LucidGuy> BluesKaj, so how do you make changes and save them?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy, in system settings desktop effects, I have no nvidia-settings gui any longer, guess i could install it if needed
[16:46] <dougl> I have not xorg.conf
[16:46] <dougl> no
[16:49] <dougl> BluesKaj, and where you said to use those settings in advanced tab for opengl and raster does not let me select them now
[16:49] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy, greyed out?
[16:50] <dougl> gives me a notice to check composting setting not greyed out just a message and changes back
[16:51] <dougl> Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.
[16:51] <dougl> Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type.
[16:51] <BluesKaj> dougl, I did find the nvidia-xserver GUI, just hadn't bothered with it before, guess it was there all along :)
[16:52] <dougl> lol
[16:52] <dougl> just like microsoft in a different hiding spot?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> my nvidia card is mostly for watching TV/videos. It's a 5yr old pc converted to a DIY/HT media center pc, and I don't play games. Wife has her own pc for her games, and she's happy to play them without a TV screen
[16:56] <BluesKaj> 22" samsung monitor keeps her happy :)
[16:59] <BluesKaj> LucidGuy, your card is capable of more effects than desktop effects can dish out. I don't get it.
[16:59] <dougl> This notebook is the newest machine I have the rest of them are tried and true handme downs... just videos and music.
[17:03] <BluesKaj> yeah, this laptop is pretty basic grphics wise altho it can do OpenGL 3.1 and raster with a few effects ike desktop cube animation and a few others, but I'm not much into all the availble effects
[17:05] <BluesKaj> my windows user friends were wowed by the revolving screen from one virtual desktop to another tho, 6 different desktops flipping around was impressive to them :)
[17:05] <dougl> I like the cube and wobbly windows the rest I just leave
[17:06] <dougl> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0"
[17:06] <dougl> does that mean much to anyone?
[17:09] <dougl> how do I purge the nvidia drivers and re install them?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> dougl, try this, glxinfo | grep OpenGL , the output shoud just be one or 2 lines, so you can paste it here
[17:17] <dougl> BluesKaj, thanks for taking some time :)... more than a few but all the same...http://pastebin.com/Bkr6MmPu
[17:21] <BluesKaj> hmm, install mesa-utils
[17:21] <dougl> k
[17:22] <dougl> mesa-utils is already the newest version.
[17:22] <dougl> mesa-utils set to manually installed.
[17:23] <BluesKaj> ok , try, lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga , it should show the installed graphics driver...seems 14.04 no longer shows GLXinfo
[17:25] <dougl> root@kubuntu:/etc# lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga
[17:25] <dougl> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF114M [GeForce GTX 670M] [10de:1213] (rev a1)
[17:25] <dougl>         Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:2119]
[17:25] <dougl>         Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[17:25] <dougl> 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: NVIDIA Corporation GF114 HDMI Audio Controller [10de:0e0c] (rev a1)
[17:26]  * dougl wonders if BluesKaj ever gets tired of hanging around with me - always an issue on my mind.
[17:27] <BluesKaj> not really dougl, i'd be bored otherwise....it's along winter here
[17:27] <dougl> same here = canada
[17:27] <dougl> winnipeg
[17:28] <BluesKaj> yeah, I know , I'm 40mi west of Sudbury ON
[17:28] <dougl> yes I enjoy chatting with you = I alaways learn something from the channel - you or the other fine folks
[17:32] <BluesKaj> windy and blowing snow here, sick of this
[17:33] <BluesKaj> and i have to go oyut for a bit, BBL
[17:33] <dougl> BluesKaj, you on facebook? I should show you our driveway clearing hills... 15 feet... I should have bought my boy a tractor not a snow blower...
[17:34] <dougl> thank fully our neighbour is good to us... I threw a few bucks his way and he keeps coming back when it blows in... I love that guy!
[17:35] <dougl> BluesKaj, nice chat... talk to you later drive safe :)
[17:43] <thoid2000> help
[17:44] <genii> thoid2000: Can you be more specific as to what you need help with?
[17:44] <thoid2000> I was trying to bring up a list of commands.
[17:44] <thoid2000> thought /help would do that for me.
[17:59] <LucidGuy> I work in Toronto
[18:14] <genii> LucidGuy: Here too.
[18:14] <LucidGuy> genii, work in Toronto?  IT?
[18:14] <genii> LucidGuy: Yup, at Dundas and Bay
[18:15] <LucidGuy> genii, What do you do?
[18:16] <genii> LucidGuy: I am the caretaker of an old office building here and the building next to it. Also board member and volunteer for Toronto Freenet
[18:17] <genii> Shameless promotion here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/2701-trusty-tahr-toronto-release-party/
[18:19] <LucidGuy> 14.04 release party?
[18:25] <genii> LucidGuy: Yup, I hold one for every release. So every 6 months. And like it says, free coffee and decorate-your-own cupcakes (which I make myself). Feel free to attend!
[18:30] <naftilos76> Hi everyone, how do i force kmail to download all messages and attachments on an IMAP configured account? I have many folders into each other and lots of attachments. Last time i checked the total folder tree including messages and attachments was close to 5GBytes. Anyone?
[18:41] <RishJ> if possible can anyone tell me what would have caused this error
[18:41] <RishJ>  g++: error: unrecognized option '--no-undefined'
[18:44] <jackyalcine> interesting, none of the ISO dailys are booting for me :/
[18:56] <rberg> RishJ: are you messing around with CFLAGS or CXXFLAGS?
[18:57] <RishJ> nopes...just trying to build abiword
[18:58] <tsimpson> RishJ: it's pretty clear, an invalid option is being passed to g++
[18:59] <RishJ> tsimpson: ok..thanks...nothing wrong with g++ right?
[18:59] <rberg> I dont know all the flags of the top of my head but it looks like that was truncated or something
[18:59] <RishJ> so i guess something wrong with abiword build..right?
[19:00] <tsimpson> RishJ: right, that option is actually a linker option not a compiler option
[19:00] <tsimpson> so it needs to be prefixed with -Wl, as in: -Wl,--no-undefined
[19:01] <RishJ> so build abiword with -Wl,-no-undefined?
[19:01] <tsimpson> well you need to change the place where it's passing "--no-undefined" to pass "-Wl,--no-undefined" instead
[19:01] <tsimpson> as a guess, I'd say to look for LDFLAGS
[19:11] <LucidGuy> genii, how many people attended last lts?
[19:13] <genii> LucidGuy: Altogether in the area of 20-25, but about a dozen or so at one time. People kept popping in and out
[22:58] <bogfrog> hello
[22:58] <bogfrog> online and available searching for answer to a blue screen error
[22:59] <Fusselboear> hi, how can i set a smb path to banshee?
[23:16] <Fusselboear> anyone can help me? i'm trying to connect a nas to kubuntu - i've tried to set a path to fstab but i dont know if its enough...
[23:41] <Fusselboear> can anyone tell me how to mount a nas to kubuntu?
[23:43] <ronnoc> What a cool idea that seems to have lost momentum :/ Would be especially cool with a GUI front-end https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutoDeb


[18:50] <ahoneybun> my I got a ubuntu clock
[18:50] <ahoneybun> may
[18:50] <Unit193> Heya, got a link to your LP page?
[18:54] <ahoneybun> Unit193, https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt
[18:56] <IdleOne> IRCC ahoneybun would like a cloak applied
[18:56] <Unit193> Nooo, ping Pici!
[18:56] <IdleOne> welcome and Congrats ahoneybun
[18:56] <Pici> I *just* added him to the LP team ;)
[18:57] <Pici> Give me a second to find a staffer to wave the magic wand.
[18:59] <Pici> niko: around?
[19:00] <niko> yes
[19:01] <niko> ahoneybun: congrats :)
[19:01] <ahoneybun> niko, thanks :)
[19:01] <Unit193> ahoneybun: Congrats.
[19:02] <ahoneybun> Unit193, thanks:)
[19:02] <Pici> ahoneybun: congrats :)
[19:02] <Pici> niko: thanks


[09:17] <dholbach> bonsoir messieurs dames
[09:18] <Mez> bon soiree messeur holbach
[09:19] <dholbach> Mez: comment allez-vous?
[09:21] <Mez> J'ai .... fam
[09:21] <dholbach> jan1: we were trying to talk french :)
[09:21] <jan1> I know mr owner-of-murphy :)
[09:22] <jan1> they took my real mick
[09:22] <jan1> nick
[09:22] <dholbach> jan1: who did?
[09:22] <jan1> someone who is prolly also called jani
[09:22] <jan1> ;)
[09:23] <ogra> jan1, didnt register it ?
[09:23] <jan1> ogra, I guess not :)
[09:23] <ogra> you really should
[09:23] <jan1> I am still an irc noob
[09:27] <dholbach> seb128: WOOHOO! :)
[09:27] <seb128> hey daniel
[09:27] <seb128> TB today?
[09:27] <dholbach> yeah
[09:27] <madduck> the hall is filling up...
[09:27] <dholbach> 22:00 our time
[09:28] <Mez> TB in 30 mins :D
[09:28] <Mez> w00t
[09:28] <Mez> :P
[09:33] <bddebian> Heya madduck
[09:33] <madduck> hi
[09:34] <JanC> t'aimes parler le franais de temps en temps, monsieur dholbach ?   :)
[09:35] <dholbach> JanC: de temps en temps, mais il me faut apprendre plus :)
[09:39] <madduck> bnt, c'est une distro franaise?
[09:39] <madduck> mais alors, c'est riglo!
[09:44] <JaneW> gooie naant almal
[09:44] <JaneW> ek gaan gou koffie kry, voor die afskraak begin
[09:45] <\sh> JaneW: thank u very much :)
[09:46] <\sh> finally another coffee junky ,-)
[09:47] <jan1> was that Dutch or Afrikaans?
[09:47] <\sh> afrikaans
[09:47] <JaneW> \sh lol
[09:47] <jan1> they look pretty similiar from distance at least :)
[09:47] <JaneW> \sh wasn;t sure if anyone would understand
[09:47] <\sh> JaneW: I can understand a bit :)
[09:48] <\sh> at least: koffie
[09:48] <\sh> lol
[09:48] <\sh> ek = I
[09:48] <JaneW> yes it is pretty similar to dutch, but with less funny characters I think
[09:48] <madduck> JaneW: if you know english and german, afrikaans can be read most of the times. at least the gist can be extracted most of the time.
[09:48] <jan1> good night all, someone does soemthing with a coffe before the meeting begins?
[09:48] <bddebian> OH yeah smoke break, good idea :-) \sh care to join me.. ;-P
[09:48] <JaneW> and visa versa and can figure out a lot of german (and norwegian) from knowing afrikaans
[09:49] <madduck> s/visa/vice/ IIRC
[09:49] <madduck> but yeah
[09:49] <JaneW> sorry
[09:50] <madduck> sorry? dude... :)
[09:50] <JaneW> anyway since everyone else seems to speak other languages, I thought I'd give it a try - not that my afrikaans is very good anyway.
[09:50] <madduck> where are you from?
[09:50] <\sh> janew: there is a funny word..."mapumpaan" or something? My ex never told me how to write it ,-)
[09:50] <JaneW> what?
[09:50] <JaneW> meaning...
[09:51] <JaneW> madduck: SA
[09:51] <madduck> JaneW: nice! i love your country!
[09:51] <JaneW> hi gothcat
[09:51] <\sh> actually something like "lovley idiot" I actually don't know..she never gave me the meaning...but every time I smashed a glas, "Look, you mampumpaan" or something like this
[09:51] <JaneW> madduck: I think it's pretty cool too
[09:51] <gothcat> JaneW: hi
[09:52] <JaneW> not mampaara ?
[09:52] <pitti> Hey madduck, how's it going
[09:52] <madduck> pitti!
[09:52] <\sh> JaneW: well...I wrote it like it sounds in german ,-)
[09:52] <\sh> JaneW: forget it ... totally OT :)
[09:53] <madduck> pitti: i am ready to roll but things are holding me back. see mail. there are two other non-debian projects like that. but i'm good. vacation on friday!
[09:53] <madduck> and i am reading this paper about a high-level cognitive architecture for robots and it's making me laugh.
[09:55] <JaneW> 5 minutes
[09:55] <\sh> g'evening sistpoty
[09:55] <sistpoty> hi sh
[09:55] <sistpoty> gna, i can't type your nick g
[09:56] <\sh> sistpoty: i use xmodmap i know ;)
[09:57] <Mez> \sh :D
[10:00] <Mez> Tue Jul 26 20:00:18 UTC 2005
[10:00] <mdz> good morning
[10:00] <Mez> evening mdz
[10:01] <mdz> Keybuk: will "the sab" be joining us today?
[10:02] <Keybuk> bread roll sent ...
[10:02] <Keybuk> I think so
[10:02] <Mez> did you just throw a bread roll at him scorr?
[10:03] <Mez> s/scorr/scott/
[10:03] <Keybuk> pretty much
[10:03] <pitti> did it work?
[10:04] <Keybuk> not sure ...
[10:04] <mdz> sistpoty: are you here?
[10:04] <mdz> \sh: and you?
[10:04] <\sh> yes
[10:04] <sistpoty> yes
[10:04] <\sh> I'm here
[10:04] <mdz> excellent
[10:04] <Mez> lol :D I like the cheek Keybuk
[10:04] <mdz> how about the MOTU candidates?      *
[10:04] <mdz>       AnkurKotwal
[10:04] <mdz>     *
[10:04] <mdz>       RajasekarKarthik
[10:04] <mdz>     *
[10:05] <mdz>       Stefanpotyra
[10:05] <mdz>     *
[10:05] <mdz>       JorgeDaza
[10:05] <mdz>     *
[10:05] <mdz>       SebastianDroege
[10:05] <mdz>     *
[10:05] <mdz>       MartinMeredith
[10:05] <mdz>     *
[10:05] <mdz>       BarrydeFreese
[10:05] <mdz>     *
[10:05] <mdz>       ChristianBjlevik
[10:05] <mdz> firefox cut and paste leaves something to be desired
[10:05] <\sh> Unfrgiven was approved (AnkurKotwal)
[10:05] <mdz> Mez: you're here
[10:05] <dholbach> AnkurKotwal (unfrgiven) already IS a MOTU
[10:05] <ogra> AnkurKotwal is already MOTU but didnt show up for some time
[10:05] <Mez> yes, I'm here
[10:05] <mdz> hmm, the page is out of date
[10:05] <slomo> SebastianDroege  <--- that's me
[10:05] <mdz> dholbach,ogra: please remove anyone who was already processed
[10:05] <Nafallo> mdz: I'm here (ChristianBjlevik)
[10:05] <bddebian> <-- Barry deFreese
[10:05] <madduck> mdz: i was invited to join
[10:05] <madduck> MartinKrafft
[10:06] <Mez> <-- Martin Meredith
[10:06] <sabdfl> hi all
[10:06] <ogra> mdz, done
[10:06] <dholbach> mdz: i'd have preferred if he had proudly removed himself from that list, but i'll caretake next time :)
[10:06] <sabdfl> apologies for being late
[10:06] <sabdfl> where are we on the agenda?
[10:06] <mdz> madduck: you're on the "needs to show up again" list, which means you were on the list for a previous meeting but weren't present for consideration
[10:06] <dholbach> sabdfl: we just started :)
[10:06] <mdz> sabdfl: just sorting maintainer candidates
[10:06] <sabdfl> thanks
[10:06] <siretart> hi sabdfl
[10:06] <mdz> madduck: go ahead and move your name up to the top
[10:06] <Mez> sabdfl, was the bread roll stale?
[10:06] <bddebian> Hello sabdfl
[10:07] <sabdfl> Mez: spectacularly
[10:07] <Mez> :)
[10:07] <mdz> ogra: thanks
[10:07] <sabdfl> hey madduck, welcome
[10:08] <mdz> ok, starting from the top then
[10:08] <mdz> is RajasekarKarthik present?
[10:08] <\sh> I didn't know him, honestly
[10:08] <mdz> ok, -> needs to show up again
[10:09] <Mez> karthik085
[10:09] <madduck> sabdfl: thanks & hi
[10:09] <Mez> who didnt show up to CC either
[10:09] <mdz> Stefanpotyra
[10:09] <mdz> #
[10:09] <mdz> ?
[10:09] <Mez> so isnt a member
[10:09] <\sh> yeah..but I never saw him on motu
[10:09] <ogra> Mez, i can read ;)
[10:09] <sistpoty> Stefanpotyra is /me
[10:09] <Mez> ogra - hit enter by msitake - was saying he;s not a meber
[10:09] <mdz> sistpoty: welcome
[10:09] <ogra> sistpoty, i havent seen many packages of you yet ...
[10:10] <sistpoty> hadn't much time recently... will be better after thursday
[10:10] <ogra> sistpoty, have you any more references ?
[10:10] <sistpoty> (exams)
[10:10] <ogra> ah
[10:10] <sistpoty> no more than on the wiki page
[10:10] <mdz> there's no rush; we can always consider you at a later date when you've had more time to devote to MOTU work
[10:10] <sistpoty> no problem for me ;)
[10:10] <dholbach> sistpoty: thanks for working on ghc6
[10:10] <sistpoty> you
[10:10] <sistpoty> + re welcome
[10:11] <ogra> sistpoty, yeah, and thatks for the revu work :)
[10:11] <ogra> thanks even
[10:11] <\sh> sistpoty is one of our revu guys...
[10:11] <mdz> sistpoty: just add yourself to the agenda again when the time comes
[10:11] <sistpoty> ok, i will do so
[10:11] <sabdfl> sistpoty: welcome, it's good to have you here. it takes a little while to get everyone up to speed on your contribution, so make sure to keep a record of stuff you do, on your wiki page
[10:12] <sistpoty> ok, and thanks
[10:12] <mdz> next, JorgeDaza
[10:12] <mdz> does anyone know Jorge's IRC nick?
[10:12] <\sh> comadreja
[10:12] <slomo> comadreja
[10:12] <mdz> comadreja: ping?
[10:12] <ogra> mdz, i'd like to see him as motu
[10:12] <ogra> he's comadrej, but his wife has her b-day oday
[10:13] <ogra> comadreja even
[10:13] <ogra> he aplologized before
[10:13] <\sh> comadreja was working with me on the merger list and did quite good work
[10:13] <sabdfl> siretart: nice icons for revu2 :-)
[10:13] <ogra> his packaging skills improved a lot over the last weeks
[10:13] <mdz> ogra: we can consider him in absentia if there are sufficient references
[10:13] <dholbach> i only heard good stuff about about him (but was away from irc the last ... hum ... days)
[10:14] <siretart> sabdfl: most planning work up to know was from sistpoty ;) - but thanks :)
[10:14] <ogra> mdz, i'd like to hear something from \sh or siretart
[10:14] <mdz> who has been sponsoring his uploads?
[10:14] <ogra> \sh, what do you think ? ready enough ?
[10:14] <\sh> most of the time..if there wasn't a debdiff applied I mentioned this in the changelog incl. bug entry
[10:14] <ogra> \sh, but were the debdiffs you saw ok ?
[10:15] <\sh> ogra: yes very good...no bugs
[10:15] <ogra> oki...
[10:15] <Mez> brb.. loo
[10:15] <siretart> I'm confident that he knows how to make packages, according to what I have seen from revu so far
[10:15] <ogra> so there would be a +1 from me...
[10:15] <ogra> siretart, thats what i wanted to hear ;)
[10:15] <sabdfl> seems good enough for MOTU and membership
[10:15] <mdz> agreed
[10:15] <Keybuk> agree
[10:16] <ogra> yep
[10:16] <dholbach> cool :)
[10:16] <\sh> and another plus is: he is freelancer and has sometimes more time then I have :)
[10:16] <madduck> freelancers don't have time. :)
[10:16] <ogra> hehe
[10:16] <sabdfl> i guess that's 3 out of 3 :-)
[10:16] <siretart> which is near impossible ;)
[10:16] <mdz> comadreja: welcome to the team
[10:16] <ogra> yay... i'll mail him :)
[10:16] <Mez> backl
[10:16] <sabdfl> who will pass the news on?
[10:16] <sabdfl> ok
[10:16] <mdz> Mez is up next
[10:16] <sabdfl> thanks ogra
[10:16] <Mez> isnt slomo up next?
[10:17] <mdz> Mez: you're right, my cursor was wrong
[10:17] <Mez> :P
[10:17] <mdz> slomo: are you here?
[10:17] <siretart> he is for sure
[10:17] <slomo> yes, i'm here
[10:17] <bddebian> slomo gets my vote even though I don't get one :-)
[10:17] <siretart> :)
[10:17] <ogra> slomo... i guess there is consensus among MOTU for him
[10:17] <siretart> he did really rocking work for MOTUMedia, and used revu quite a lot
[10:17] <dholbach> he gets mine as well - i sponsored some uploads for him and he did excellent work on finding patches and he works nicely with the team,
[10:17] <ogra> OR AM I WRONG ??
[10:18] <mdz> bddebian: testimonials count, if you can elaborate a bit about your experience working with slomo
[10:18] <ogra> :)
[10:18] <\sh> yes..he's doing good work and fixes my bloody typos ,-)
[10:18] <bddebian> mdz: Slomo has been very helpful/supportive of my efforts
[10:18] <Mez> \sh - you missed out an eye again
[10:18] <siretart> he did real rocking work in helping fellow MOTU's and MOTUs to be in #ubuntu-motu
[10:18] <mdz> sounds like a ringing endorsement from MOTU
[10:18] <ogra> absolutely
[10:18] <ogra> he's done grat work
[10:18] <ogra> great even
[10:18] <Mez> slomo's helped out a lot with me aswell
[10:18] <bddebian> Oh you beat me to it ogra :-)
[10:19] <Mez> + he's a backporter - so even better :D
[10:19] <JaneW> \sh: I need someone to do that for me ;)
[10:19] <mdz> Keybuk,sabdfl: votes?
[10:19] <Keybuk> ++
[10:19] <sabdfl> slomo: can you say in one sentence where you'd like to take ubuntu? in the sense of how you'd like to enhance it and which areas you'd like to contribute to?
[10:19] <\sh> JaneW: ask slomo, he's quite good in things like this :)
[10:20] <slomo> sabdfl: i want to help wherever i can... mostly fixing bugs, packaging new stuff (mostly multimedia related) and so on... and i'm searching for new areas where i can be useful ;)
[10:20] <sabdfl> ok. great endorsements from the MOTU, so +1 from me
[10:20] <\sh> slomo said to me, he will cxx trans the ace package :)
[10:20] <mdz> slomo: what specific areas of multimedia interest you, out of curiosity?
[10:20] <slomo> \sh: psss ;) i'll try but i can't promise anything
[10:21] <\sh> slomo: I will help you when I can :)
[10:21] <sabdfl> slomo: great wiki page - makes it an easy +1 from me :-)
[10:21] <slomo> mdz: mostly supporting new formats... currently i'm working on a gst-plugins-multiverse package which was started by tseng
[10:21] <mdz> slomo: interesting, I'd like to hear more about it later
[10:21] <mdz> +1 from me
[10:21] <dholbach> SUPER! :)
[10:22] <ogra> yay
[10:22] <slomo> thanks everybody :)
[10:22] <doko> slomo: you did some work on the bug tracking system, are you interested in this work?
[10:22] <mdz> slomo: congratulations
[10:22] <ogra> wlcome !
[10:22] <\sh> slomo: welcome to the real world :)
[10:22] <siretart> slomo: welcome to the team! :)
[10:22] <sabdfl> drumroll
[10:22] <slomo> doko: what exactly do you mean?
[10:22] <mdz> Mez has been spearheading the official backports project
[10:22] <doko> slomo: let's delay that after the meeting
[10:22] <Keybuk> ...Mez sucks at persuading people to get his key signed ;o)
[10:23] <ogra> ;)
[10:23] <slomo> doko: ok, fine with me :)
[10:23] <Mez> Keybuk - just cause I dont have enough money to buy you a pint or 7,or enough to travel
[10:23] <mdz> ogra: empty packages?
[10:23] <ogra> mdz, he wants to build a empty transition package
[10:23] <siretart> Mez has done quite a bunch of packages in revu, they looked fine so far..
[10:23] <pitti> Mez: you have to buy elmo a pint, not Keybuk :-)
[10:23] <ogra> mdz, but didnt get it working today :)
[10:24] <Mez> pitti, to get Keybuk to sign my key
[10:24] <Riddell> Mez has updated the k3b package which was great (and is now doing k3b-i18n)
[10:24] <Mez> ogra: yes, obviously, I've not made a blank package, but I'm working on it :D
[10:24] <ogra> but to be honest i think he's already in a state to build good "non-empty" packages ;)
[10:24] <sabdfl> Mez has been very active, we've corresponded a few times. can't comment on packaging but i do appreciate his input and ideas
[10:24] <Mez> It's really confusing D:
[10:24] <\sh> I had an "quick" overview about the packages of Mez in REVU..and they looked quite good...but sometimes he's asking too many stupid questions ;-)
[10:25] <mdz> Mez: what sort of work have you done on kubuntu so far?
[10:25] <\sh> mez is also doing quite good work with k3b
[10:25] <Mez> \sh - that'd be cause I'm nervous so far
[10:25] <\sh> I think riddell can say also some things about mez
[10:25] <\sh> Riddell: ping?
[10:25] <Mez> mdz: working on packaging k3b mainly, and I've packages konversation 0.18
[10:25] <ogra> Mez, if you promise to ask twice for packages you cant cope with i'm fine with a +1 :)
[10:25] <mdz> carpet guy is at the door, back in a moment
[10:25] <Mez> ogra: I ask 3 times for packages I can lol - so thats nota problem
[10:26] <\sh> Mez: u don't have too :)
[10:26] <bddebian> heh
[10:26] <Nafallo> ogra: cope? coop?
[10:26] <bddebian> cope
[10:26] <Mez> oh, and kubuntu - I'm also helping the katapult project along
[10:26] <sabdfl> mdz: send 'em home with carpet burns, i say
[10:26] <Riddell> I support Mez's his maintainership
[10:26] <ogra> Nafallo, not cope -> coop rather ;)
[10:26] <Mez> \sh - I'm nbervous, I dont like getting things wrong and getting b***ched at for it :D
[10:27] <Mez> I'd rather ask quesitons than act on intuition and get it wrong
[10:27] <\sh> so +1 for Mez from me...
[10:27] <siretart> and: he is available :)
[10:27] <JaneW> Mez: good approach
[10:27] <Mez> siretart, no, I have a gf :P
[10:27] <siretart> ;)
[10:27] <Mez> but I know what you mean
[10:28] <Keybuk> hmm, that could be a substantial draw on Mez's time ... :)
[10:28] <Nafallo> Mez: make your gf available to :-)
[10:28] <bddebian> Keybuk: lol
[10:28] <bddebian> Nafallo: That could be taken the wrong way.. ;-P
[10:28] <Mez> Nafallo, I'm trying to persuade her to move to kubuntu - but she doesnt wanna have to lose all her movies :D
[10:28] <\sh> JaneW: yes it is...
[10:28] <Nafallo> bddebian: dooh! ;-)
[10:28] <jasoncohen> I found dependency problems on konversation .18 and firefox 1.0.4 from backports-staging and Mez was on it almost immediately. he packaged and had a new konversation that same night (a dependency on kdelibs 3.4.1 prevented kubuntu-desktop from installing)
[10:28] <ogra> bddebian, Nafallo did that too, meet her in -artwork ;)
[10:28] <bddebian> heh
[10:28] <Nafallo> ogra: gothcat is here ;-)
[10:29] <ogra> hi gothcat :)
[10:29] <Mez> but to be fair - my gf loves (k)ubuntu - and has done some artwork for it :D
[10:29] <Mez> *Shrugs*
[10:29] <jasoncohen> when where are problems Mez fixes them immediately
[10:29] <gothcat> ogra: hi *waves*
[10:29] <ogra> Mez, poke her to the artwork team ;)
[10:29] <\sh> Mez: hug her :) love her :) don't give her away :) chain her with a ring ;)
[10:29] <siretart> heh :)
[10:29] <Mez> ogra :D will try
[10:29] <Mez> and \sh - all in due time
[10:29] <sabdfl> ok, mdz will be afk for a few minutes, i'll chair till he's back
[10:30] <sabdfl> Mez: you get +1 from me. keybuk?
[10:30] <Nafallo> \sh: give her to *ubuntu rather ;-)
[10:30] <Keybuk> ++ also
[10:30] <Mez> ty sabdfl, keybuk (I'll get you a pint at some point whe/if I'm in brum)
[10:30] <madduck> that's post-bribery!
[10:30] <sabdfl> ok, Mez, in mdz's absence I'm happy to go with keybuk's +1 and mine
[10:30] <sabdfl> welcome aboard
[10:30] <ogra> yay
[10:31] <Keybuk> heh, that would involve _me_ being in Brum at some point! :-/
[10:31] <ogra> hello MOTUMez
[10:31] <dholbach> WOW! :)
[10:31] <ogra> heh
[10:31] <\sh> Mez: welcome :) Backport MOTU  SPOC :)
[10:31] <bddebian> Mez: Congrats man :-)
[10:31] <sabdfl> Keybuk: somehow i think you always land with your Brum in the butter
[10:31] <comadreja> hello
[10:31] <siretart> Mez: Welcome to the Team! :)
[10:31] <Nafallo> Mez: yay! congrats :-).
[10:31] <ogra> so it sems we have a MOTUBackports leader now :)
[10:31] <slomo> congrats Mez :)
[10:31] <Mez> Keybuk, yeah, thats what I though
[10:31] <Mez> :D
[10:31] <Nafallo> congrats comadreja :-)
[10:31] <\sh> comadreja: congrats for becoming a MOTU dude :)
[10:32] <comadreja> :D
[10:32] <siretart> comadreja: You, too! Welcome in MOTU Land ;)
[10:32] <slomo> and congrats comadreja :)
[10:32] <bddebian> Yeah comadreja, congrats in absentia :-)
[10:32] <comadreja> :D
[10:32] <ogra> comadreja, i just mailed you :)
[10:32] <sabdfl> bddebian: you're up!
[10:32] <comadreja> thanks !!!
[10:32] <bddebian> Uh oh
[10:32] <sabdfl> comadreja: welcome :-)
[10:32] <comadreja> I found an open wlan
[10:32] <bddebian> comadreja: :-)
[10:32] <comadreja> I'm sitting on the street :D
[10:32] <ogra> hehe
[10:32] <sabdfl> comadreja: look out for those black helicopters
[10:32] <sabdfl> hey Amaranth
[10:32] <madduck> bddebian: don't leave after this. we need to talk zope-*
[10:32] <dholbach> ogra: did we ever have so many MOTUs in one night?
[10:32] <ogra> enjoy the party and congrats to your wife for her b-day
[10:32] <Nafallo> morning Amaranth :-)
[10:33] <bddebian> madduck: We do?
[10:33] <madduck> bddebian: we do.
[10:33] <ogra> dholbach, nope :)
[10:33] <bddebian> madduck: OK
[10:33] <sabdfl> bddebian: how's NUN coming along?
[10:33] <dholbach> ogra: it feels SOOO good :)
[10:33] <ogra> yeah !!
[10:33] <jasoncohen> congratulations Mez
[10:33] <Mez> sabdfl, nun's coming along well :D
[10:33] <bddebian> sabdfl: Good but to be honest I have been slacking a little with NUN lately trying to help with MOTUTOMerg
[10:33] <bddebian> +e
[10:33] <ogra> wher you did a great job !
[10:33] <sabdfl> ok
[10:34] <sabdfl> bddebian: where would you say you've been making your biggest contribution?
[10:34] <sabdfl> and do you have an area you'd like to focus on going forward from a code + packaging point of view?
[10:34] <\sh> bddebian helped us a lot with tagging merge bugs...
[10:34] <ogra> we are down to less the 100 merges from 220 in 5 days ...
[10:34] <ogra> !!!!!
[10:34] <\sh> ogra: under 100
[10:34] <bddebian> I hope the merge issues but I haven't gotten a great deal of feedback except from \sh
[10:34] <ogra> then even
[10:34] <mdz> bddebian: I saw some uploads with your name on them; who has been sponsoring you?
[10:34] <sabdfl> that's awesome bddebian - thanks!
[10:34] <bddebian> sabdfl: Anywhere I can help to be honest
[10:35] <Keybuk> ahh, so it's bddebian that's been filling my INBOX, is it? :)
[10:35] <bddebian> mdz: No one, that is part of the reason I have come.
[10:35] <bddebian> Keybuk: Probably, sorry
[10:35] <ogra> Keybuk, yes
[10:35] <ogra> heh
[10:35] <sabdfl> bddebian: are you a gnome or kde type? or something lighter?
[10:35] <Nafallo> Keybuk: install procmail dude ;-)
[10:35] <mdz> bddebian: I don't follow; who has been uploading your packages for you?
[10:35] <\sh> Keybuk: yes, with my name on it
[10:35] <Keybuk> Nafallo: I still read all the merge-o-matic traffic
[10:35] <ogra> mdz, \sh mostly
[10:35] <bddebian> mdz: \sh for the merge stuff, I don't think anyone has looked at my REVU stuff
[10:36] <bddebian> sabdfl: I probably don't have the skillset for that yet
[10:36] <mdz> \sh: what is your assessment of his packaging work?
[10:36] <dholbach> bddebian: i hope we'll all cover some stuff on review day, 28th of july *hint hint*
[10:36] <ogra> bddebian, would you prefer to wait 2 weeks ?
[10:36] <mdz> \sh,bddebian: ah, so these were purely MOM output then?
[10:36] <bddebian> dholbach: OK
[10:36] <ogra> mdz, yep
[10:36] <bddebian> mdz: Which?
[10:36] <ogra> bddebian, the uploads
[10:36] <\sh> mdz: yes..most of the time he tested the MOMs and tagged the bugs for me...so I could take it easily
[10:36] <Amaranth> morning *late*
[10:37] <ogra> Amaranth, we get used to it *g*
[10:37] <bddebian> ogra: As with CC, I'm not expecting anything so if you all think I should wait, I am fine with that
[10:37] <bddebian> Hello Amaranth
[10:37] <\sh> mdz: after all, I'm lacking with reviewing...so someone else needs to talk about his new packages
[10:37] <ogra> bddebian, i'd like to see some more stuff from you beyond MOM
[10:37] <bddebian> Fair enough
[10:38] <sabdfl> bddebian: you're making a big impression on the bug front, tagging etc, so your contribution is hugely appreciated
[10:38] <bddebian> sabdfl: Thank you
[10:38] <sabdfl> on the packaging front, maybe find a package that really interests you and jazz it up some
[10:38] <Amaranth> isn't bddebian the weirdo behind the Debian GNU/Hurd stuff?
[10:38] <ogra> bddebian, but i'm sure youre good to go in  weeks.... you'll get my vote, just go on as you do ;)
[10:38] <bddebian> ogra: Have some suggestions
[10:38] <ogra> s/weeks/2 weeks
[10:38] <bddebian> Amaranth: Yep :-)
[10:38] <\sh> bddebian: We need you...you and your jokes :) and you and your knowledge..let's do some realwork and don't tell yourself, u r a noob, you are not
[10:38] <sabdfl> once the motu are more familiar with your approach, come back
[10:38] <madduck> bddebian: pkg-zope will have enough (!) grounds for you to profile yourself, if you are interested!
[10:39] <Keybuk> I think bddebian's making some great contributions, but I'd like to see a bit more packaging from him first
[10:39] <dholbach> bddebian: exactly what stephan said - it's always funny with you - you'll enhance the MOTU team in a great way :)
[10:39] <\sh> Keybuk: sorry for spamming your inbox btw ,-)
[10:40] <sabdfl> Nafallo: around?
[10:40] <Nafallo> sabdfl: here :-)
[10:40] <Keybuk> \sh: hey, it's no problem ;)  rather I saw more than less when it comes to merge traffic and -changes :p
[10:40] <siretart> absolutly. and now, as we have more MOTU's reviewing should go more quickly ;)
[10:40] <sabdfl> Nafallo: got your pitch ready to roll? :-)
[10:40] <ogra> Nafallo  is a +1 from me in advance
[10:40] <sabdfl> ogra: care to elaborate?
[10:40] <slomo> siretart:  and i'll do some reviewing this night ;)
[10:40] <sabdfl> there's not much detail on it might be worth finding a specific
[10:41] <sabdfl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristianBj%c3%a4levik
[10:41] <sabdfl> sorry
[10:41] <ogra> he's around since a looong time, helped a lot with the MOTU already ...
[10:41] <Nafallo> well, I've been around helping out and mostly applied patches here and there :-)
[10:41] <Nafallo> I've one of those trying to backport stuff for UniverseSecurity.
[10:41] <bddebian> OK, gents thanks.  SOrry for spacing there for a sec
[10:41] <pitti> Nafallo: would you like to get more involved in universe security?
[10:42] <dholbach> bddebian: what are you sorry-ing for? :)
[10:42] <bddebian> dholbach: Delayed reaction :-)
[10:42] <pitti> Nafallo: astharot hasn't been around recently, he has some RL issues
[10:42] <Nafallo> pitti: at some point.
[10:43] <Nafallo> pitti: I want to get back on that horse, but right now I feel like I should do some other packaging to :-)
[10:43] <pitti> Nafallo: right, no objection to that :-)
[10:44] <sabdfl> ok. Nafallo - it would help us for this if there was more of a list of packages you've touched on your wiki page
[10:44] <sabdfl> if ogra and the motu are ++ for you, then that's the ticket, but it helps to have some specifics on your wiki page so the TB have a bit of context
[10:44] <sabdfl> thats a good vote of confidence
[10:44] <\sh> I thought nafallo is motu already..
[10:44] <ogra> heh
[10:44] <sabdfl> anybody else on the MOTU worked with Nafallo?
[10:44] <Nafallo> sabdfl: I know. I did that page for CC, but I haven't got a history on my harddrive anymore ;-)
[10:44] <\sh> +1 for nafallo
[10:44] <siretart> I really wondered why isn't a motu yet. I've only seen good work from him so far
[10:44] <Keybuk> who's been sponsoring Nafallo's uploads?
[10:45] <Nafallo> Keybuk: good question. I've been visiting Tollef and Karianne this weekend :-)
[10:45] <Nafallo> so I haven't read through my e-mail yet ;-)
[10:46] <Nafallo> so.. more questions? :-)
[10:46] <sabdfl> well you couldn't get a better mentor than tollef :-)
[10:47] <mdz> based on motu recommendations, I'm happy with Nafallo
[10:47] <ogra> Nafallo, didnt you also do patch stuff for the Cxx transition ?
[10:47] <Keybuk> as long as Tollef doesn't teach him to bite
[10:47] <ogra> heh
[10:47] <ogra> tollef bites ?
[10:47] <gothcat> lol
[10:48] <Nafallo> ogra: hmm, not sure. _that_ was some time ago :-).
[10:48] <dholbach> Keybuk: sounds like this debconf was THE debconf not to miss :)
[10:48] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me too
[10:48] <Keybuk> ++ from me
[10:48] <ogra> dholbach, it was :(
[10:48] <sabdfl> welcome aboard Nafallo
[10:48] <ogra> yay
[10:48] <ogra> gothcat, hug him from us please ;)
[10:49] <Nafallo> yay! thanx sabdfl mdz Keybuk and all supporters! :-D
[10:49] <siretart> Nafallo: welcome in MOTU Land! :)
[10:49] <ogra> finally
[10:49] <mdz> Nafallo: congratulations
[10:49] <dholbach> incredible :)
[10:49] <\sh> Nafallo: give pitti a hand...he needs at least 8 more :)
[10:49] <ogra> ********* everybody who got approved, please get yourself of the wikipage !!! ************
[10:50] <ogra> off even
[10:50] <bddebian> :'-(
[10:50] <bddebian> :-)
[10:50] <pitti> Nafallo: congrats :-)
[10:50] <mdz> there is still one more candidate to process; madduck added himself since the start of the meeting
[10:50] <JaneW> *applause*
[10:50] <ogra> bddebian, next time
[10:50] <dholbach> *** and put yourself on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU and read wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads ***
[10:50] <Nafallo> pitti: thanx for everything :-)
[10:50] <ogra> mdz, is this something we need to discuss ?
[10:50] <\sh> so...i can jump out for a 2 mins
[10:50] <bddebian> ogra: No worries, I'm just happy to help, if I'm helping :-)
[10:50] <Nafallo> ogra: get on what wikipage? :-)
[10:50] <pitti> Nafallo: well, thanks to you for your work so far. maybe bugzilla finally gets uploaded :-)
[10:51] <mdz> ogra: pardon?
[10:51] <ogra> Nafallo, off from MaintainerCandidates and on the MOTU page
[10:51] <ogra> mdz, madduck
[10:51] <Nafallo> pitti: you haven't yet? oki, I'll up that ASAP then ;-)
[10:51] <Nafallo> ogra: ah, oki. I will :-).
[10:51] <mdz> ogra: unless he has changed his mind, yes, he is on the agenda
[10:51] <ogra> mdz, i thought he's DD long enough ;)
[10:51] <sabdfl> is madduck a member yet?
[10:51] <madduck> no, doko and mako told me to just come here.
[10:52] <bddebian> -- for madduck, he's one o' dem dere Debian types.. ;-P
[10:52] <ajmitch> morning
[10:52] <\sh> back
[10:52] <bddebian> Morning ajmitch
[10:53] <madduck> sabdfl: when i created my wikipage and applied for maintainer, the member council didn't even exist yet. and ubuntu was still no-name-yet. :)
[10:53] <ogra> mdz, ... long enough to just wave him through i meant :)
[10:53] <sabdfl> madduck: ok :-)
[10:54] <doko> madduck: you did write the "wrong" book however ;-P
[10:54] <bddebian> hehe
[10:54] <pitti> it wasn't exactly "wrong" :-)
[10:54] <madduck> doko: if my book does not apply to ubuntu, then you guys did something wrong. :)
[10:54] <bddebian> Doh, nice retort
[10:55] <dholbach> madduck: sounds a bit too much like "L'etat c'est moi!" for me ;-)
[10:55] <sabdfl> i'm happy to go +1 on madduck, based on conversations at debconf, and his existing status as a DD w.r.t. packaging skills
[10:55] <pitti> can you guys please stick to languages we understand? :-)
[10:55] <madduck> dholbach: that was not the intention. but i get stabbed from debian dudes about this book all the time.
[10:55] <Nafallo> madduck++ :-)
[10:55] <pitti> +1
[10:55] <\sh> pitti: "Der Staat bin ich"
[10:55] <Nafallo> pitti: sure. swedish or norweigan? :-)
[10:56] <pitti> \sh: thanks
[10:56] <Keybuk> I think having madduck's skills and energy in Ubuntu would be an asset
[10:56] <dholbach> madduck: i hope you don't listen to them :)
[10:56] <Keybuk> so he has +1 from me, though I think he still needs CC approval to become a member?
[10:56] <madduck> dholbach: either that, or i reply appropriately.
[10:57] <ogra> madduck, i'd like to see you more often around doing some teamwork, but who am i to judge _your_ packaging :)
[10:57] <ogra> since you are our upstream :)
[10:57] <madduck> huh?
[10:57] <mdz> +1 for madduck based on Debian involvement and firsthand interaction
[10:58] <madduck> ogra: i hope to be able to display more teamwork with pkg-zope.
[10:58] <Amaranth> He needs to go through the CC still though, doesn't he?
[10:58] <Keybuk> though I wonder whether we should score on ability to hold a tune ...
[10:58] <bddebian> \sh: Look at the first page of Chap. 6 ;-P
[10:58] <madduck> Amaranth: i will happily do so. i was told by mako i could just skip it.
[10:58] <Amaranth> ah
[10:58] <madduck> bddebian: :)
[10:58] <sabdfl> let's take a leap of faith on madduck, i think it's worth it
[10:58] <ogra> so +1 from me :)
[10:59] <dholbach> sabdfl: sounds good to me
[10:59] <bddebian> sabdfl: Just because you got to drink with him... ;-)
[10:59] <ogra> heh
[10:59] <ajmitch> madduck: great, I'll look forward to that :)
[10:59] <madduck> bddebian: "sing"
[10:59] <madduck> bddebian: not drink.
[10:59] <ogra> got drunk ?
[10:59] <mdz> well, that too
[10:59] <sabdfl> madduck: that's because we were out of booze by the time we found the guitar
[10:59] <JaneW> still looking for the footage of that...
[10:59] <madduck> sabdfl: rotfl
[10:59] <dholbach> hahaha :)
[10:59] <mdz> sabdfl: the country of Finland was out of booze
[11:00] <ogra> madduck, you were one of the choir ??
[11:00] <madduck> i appreciate your faith. i will try to make the next CC meeting nevertheless.
[11:00] <bddebian> madduck: Ahh :-)
[11:00] <madduck> ogra: NO SIR. NEVER. :)
[11:00] <ogra> hahaha
[11:00] <mdz> ok
[11:00] <\sh> hmm..next amazon order
[11:00] <mdz> madduck: welcome to the team
[11:00] <dholbach> madduck: super... good to have you in the MOTU team
[11:00] <madduck> thx dudes
[11:00] <\sh> welcome madduck  :)
[11:00] <ajmitch> madduck: great, put your name down on the zope page :)
[11:00] <ogra> madduck, willkommen aus der eifel ;)
[11:01] <madduck> ajmitch: it's already there. :)
[11:01] <ajmitch> ah good
[11:01] <sabdfl> alright guys, what's up next?
[11:01] <mdz> \sh for upload to main
[11:01] <Nafallo> madduck: welcome :-)
[11:01] <\sh> It's all ogras fault
[11:01] <bddebian> Damn madduck doesn't even do anything and HE gets in *sniff* *sniff*
[11:01] <mdz> \sh: how long have you been working in universe now?
[11:01] <bddebian> :-)
[11:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: he has a long history in debian
[11:02] <\sh> mdz: I think since breezy started?
[11:02] <bddebian> ajmitch: I was kidding again.  I'll shutup again
[11:02] <\sh> some weeks after?
[11:02] <mdz> \sh: is that all? it seems like longer ;-)
[11:02] <ogra> he dd an uncountable number of uploads as MOTU ...
[11:02] <\sh> mdz: hehe...for me as well :)
[11:02] <mdz> \sh: the agenda says you are interested in working on KDE
[11:02] <siretart> the sheer amount of uploads listed in breezy-changes speak for themselves
[11:02] <Mez> \sh's been here since I've known ubuntu
[11:02] <ajmitch> probably just because of his OCD in flooding breezy-changes :)
[11:02] <siretart> of \sh that is
[11:02] <\sh> mdz: yes...actually I want to help Riddell to maintain the kde stuff in main
[11:02] <mdz> Riddell: are you around?
[11:02] <ogra> \sh, remember my words ;)
[11:03] <Riddell> yep, \sh has done some great stuff
[11:03] <\sh> mdz: but ogra told me, i have to upload as well some gnome related packages once or twice a release
[11:03] <Riddell> fixing beasties, merges, making packages
[11:03] <ogra> at least !!
[11:03] <Amaranth> ogra: his one package can be smeg :)
[11:03] <dholbach> ogra: ;-p
[11:03] <seb128_> pitti_: because you like freeze during normal work? :)
[11:04] <mdz> Riddell: so I take it you are satisfied with the quality of his work and would be glad to have him uploading KDE packages to main independently?
[11:04] <\sh> ogra: yeah :)
[11:04] <Amaranth> pitti: Did you ever get X going again?
[11:04] <ogra> mdz, you could give him firefox and he could handle it easily... (not that i'd vote for that)
[11:04] <mdz> \sh: what did you to to make ogra say such a terrible thing? ;-)
[11:04] <mdz> s/to/do/
[11:04] <Amaranth> ogra: That's _evil_.
[11:04] <dholbach> hahaha :)
[11:04] <Riddell> mdz: yes, I think he'd be really useful in main
[11:04] <ogra> mdz, he fixes the worst bugs in minutes
[11:04] <\sh> mdz: well I worked with him in the same company..and told him I was a Gentoo Dude ,-)
[11:04] <Mez> I think \sh must have slept with ogra's gf or something
[11:04] <seb128> dholbach said he wants firofox though
[11:05] <dholbach> seb128: I! WILL! GRILL! YOU! :)
[11:05] <ogra> Mez, i wouldnt be this friendly then :)
[11:05] <Mez> lol
[11:05] <Amaranth> dholbach: Why do you like pain?
[11:05] <Mez> that's friendly?
[11:05] <ogra> seb128, thinderbird too ?
[11:05] <dholbach> Amaranth: that's a long story
[11:05] <pitti> seb128: ++ :-)
[11:05] <seb128> dholbach: I love you too :)
[11:05] <sabdfl> oookkkkkk
[11:05] <dholbach> OUCH
[11:05] <Amaranth> back on topic
[11:05] <ogra> seb128, i mean they are a unit :)
[11:06] <seb128> right, that's for dholbach too
[11:06] <ogra> +1
[11:06] <ogra> :)
[11:06] <sabdfl> \sh: we have no independent restrictions, once you're in main, you can upload anything. can i take it you will get reviews of any changes before uploading a Base or Essential package?
[11:07] <dholbach> ogra, seb128, pitti: could you please stop it? you're giving me a huge headache :)
[11:07] <\sh> sabdfl: yes...this is what I like to have before doing any harm to X
[11:07] <mdz> \sh: you have been involved enough to know where and whom to ask if you're unsure about an upload, yes?
[11:07] <Amaranth> \sh: No kernel updates that print 'pwned' to the screen a million times :)
[11:07] <\sh> mdz: I will ask the right people :) or you can kick me again and again :)
[11:07] <Mez> what a good idea Amaranth
[11:07] <sabdfl> tempting as that might be :-)
[11:07] <JaneW> right so I'll put dholbach 's name against those tasks...
[11:08] <mdz> JaneW: kthx
[11:08] <ogra> hehe
[11:08] <Keybuk> ...nobody could do more harm to X than daniels >:o)
[11:08] <\sh> Amaranth: I will never touch the kernel ! Promise
[11:08] <sabdfl> \sh: not into punishment, prefer to get these things straight socially rather than sending in elmo :-)
[11:08] <mdz> \sh: you're too far away; perhaps ogra could be my  proxy in that case
[11:09] <ogra> mdz, only 60km... thats esasy, i'll do it with a long stick ;)
[11:09] <sabdfl> \sh: hey, it would be great to have patches for the kernel! just careful with those unannounced uploads :-)
[11:09] <sabdfl> on that basis, and Riddell's recommendation, +1 from me
[11:09] <Keybuk> indeed, ++ from me, based on sheer number of uploads and competance thereof
[11:10] <\sh> sabdfl: no unannounced uploads :) promise
[11:10] <Nafallo> \sh++
[11:10] <mdz> +1, based on evident MOTU work, Riddell's endorsement, MOTU endorsement and first-hand interaction
[11:10] <sabdfl> one more...
[11:10] <sabdfl> w00t!
[11:10] <ogra> YAY !!
[11:10] <dholbach> congratulations stephan :)
[11:10] <Mez> congrats
[11:10] <sabdfl> \sh: thanks for your fantastic contribution and leadership so far, very glad to have you on board as a main uploader
[11:10] <ogra> congrats \sh  !
[11:10] <siretart> \sh: congratulations! you ROCK!!
[11:10] <Amaranth> ogra: \sh can't do any GNOME work, seb128 will bite him
[11:10] <Nafallo> woohoo! :-)
[11:10] <Nafallo> \sh: congrats indeed
[11:10] <ajmitch> \sh: well done
[11:11] <mdz> we should have a song to sing for new members and maintainers, a different verse for each phase of the process
[11:11] <Nafallo> \sh: now get jabberd2 into main ;-)
[11:11] <ogra> Amaranth, yes, i guess they would clash a bit :)
[11:11] <seb128> Amaranth: I'm happy to give some packages, you want gtk? :p
[11:11] <\sh> sabdfl: thank you very much :) It's really a pleasure and honour to work with those great people around here :)
[11:11] <madduck> \sh: keep it up!
[11:11] <sabdfl> seb128 only bites ME when i have dumb ideas, he's otherwise quite easy going
[11:11] <seb128> ah ah
[11:11] <ogra> mdz, shtoom meetings ??
[11:11] <sabdfl> Ghc6 transition?
[11:11] <pitti> welcome \sh! :-)
[11:11] <siretart> yes, I brought that on the topic
[11:11] <seb128> sabdfl: thanks for switching back to browser mode (from me and differents users who pinged me about that) :)
[11:12] <\sh> Nafallo: if jabberd2 is ready for real work...I just kicked it
[11:12] <siretart> I'm not really sure if the TB is the right address for that
[11:12] <mdz> sistpoty: what is the question regarding ghc6?
[11:12] <Nafallo> \sh: :-)
[11:12] <\sh> pitti: thx :)
[11:12] <sabdfl> seb128: you're welcome, and sorry for the brain fart previously
[11:12] <seb128> np
[11:12] <siretart> but I (and sistpoty) would like to know how to proceed with that.
[11:12] <mdz> sistpoty: it looks to me like a buildd admin issue
[11:13] <mdz> if it can't be handled by normal uploads
[11:13] <ogra> siretart, get infinity to provide you the right buildd hooks for bootstrapping it
[11:13] <siretart> ok, then that point is done, and we will get in touch with infinity, sorry for bothering
[11:13] <sistpoty> ok
[11:14] <mdz> or lamont
[11:14] <siretart> okay
[11:14] <mdz> is there any other business?
[11:14] <mdz> rants, raves, kudos or rotting vegetables?
[11:14] <sabdfl> nothing from me
[11:14] <sabdfl> just having fun here with the Launchpad team
[11:15] <dholbach> that was a superb meeting :)
[11:15] <sabdfl> anybody been watching Rosetta recently?
[11:15] <sabdfl> it's looking guuuuuurd
[11:15] <mdz> sabdfl: the pressure is now on to get the rosetta launchpadintegration landing page in place
[11:15] <ogra> sabdfl, nope, but malone starts to look really nice :)
[11:15] <lamont> siretart: given instructions on what debs to install from where (that meet sanity requirements), I or infinity can bootstrap whatever
[11:15] <sabdfl> ogra: still have quite a bit of work to do on malone
[11:16] <ogra> sabdfl, but it gets nearer the usable state we need it...
[11:16] <ogra> s/the/to the
[11:16] <mdz> ok, I'm not hearing any further TB business, so let's adjourn
[11:16] <mdz> thanks to everyone for your participation
[11:16] <sabdfl> ogra: cool. bradb gets here thursday
[11:16] <pitti> cool, thanks to all
[11:16] <sabdfl> thanks everyone, good night
[11:16] <ogra> sabdfl, great :)
[11:16] <pitti> and congrats to our new MOTUs
[11:16] <ogra> night
[11:16] <\sh> thanks to you guys :)
[11:16] <Keybuk> the next TB meeting takes place in the middle of my annual leave, but I'll try and find a not-too-well-secured wifi point for it
[11:16] <dholbach> thank you
[11:16] <mvo> night everyone
[11:16] <ogra> thanks mdz
[11:17] <sistpoty> lamont: we just need the ghc6-package (that from debian/unstable would imo suffice)
[11:17] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[11:17] <lamont> sistpoty: ok
[11:17] <mdz> agenda flushed for the next meeting
[11:18] <\sh> cu around guys :)


[14:56] <codec> hi
[14:57] <codec> i have a problem with my UEC. since my rootfs filled up i cant connect my CC to the NC (same host) anymore. node is registered but describe-availability-zones still shows 0000
[15:21] <codec> should there be any messages in nc.log after eucalyptus-nc startup?
[15:28] <codec> all i get in cc.log is  refresh_resources(): bad return from ncDescribeResource(<IP_ADDRESS>)
[18:07] <codec> woohoo
[18:07] <codec> i got my NC connected again, but now free reports 0000
[18:07] <codec> where max reports 0050 ...
[19:00]  * niemeyer anticipates people coming here..
[19:00] <kim0> = Ensemble weekly meeting =
[19:01]  * koolhead17 is present kim0 sir !! :D
[19:01] <kim0> Hi everyone
[19:01] <kim0> koolhead17: hey there
[19:01] <kim0> codec: hi
[19:01] <kim0> niemeyer: hi there as well :)
[19:01] <niemeyer> ;-)
[19:02] <kim0> So just some quick notes
[19:02] <kim0> The Ensemble ppa is now live
[19:02] <niemeyer> kim0: Tell us, what's up with the world of Ensemble
[19:02] <niemeyer> Woohay PPAs
[19:02] <kim0> All thanks to niemeyer for the great work
[19:02] <kim0> trying to find the actual ppa
[19:02] <niemeyer> You're welcome.. and thanks to Launchpad for enabling us to do this
[19:03] <niemeyer> I have to say that Daily Builds in Launchpad are *awesome*
[19:03] <niemeyer> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ensemble/ppa
[19:03] <niemeyer> sudo apt-get update
[19:03] <niemeyer> sudo apt-get install ensemble
[19:03] <niemeyer> Profit
[19:03] <kim0> Awesome!
[19:03] <koolhead17> cool
[19:03] <kim0> niemeyer: I was thinking that I'd attack the "zero to Ensemble" scereencast right now
[19:03] <kim0> what do you think ..
[19:04] <kim0> from plain ubuntu .. to installing and launching wordpress from examples
[19:04] <niemeyer> kim0: I think hazmat is working on a screencast right now
[19:04] <kim0> oh cool!
[19:04] <niemeyer> kim0: Well, at least in the time I'm not pestering him with bugs
[19:04] <hazmat> indeed, pretty basic atm
[19:05] <kim0> hazmat: would be great if you'd write your name on one you want to do .. coz I'll do the rest
[19:05] <kim0> cool then
[19:05] <kim0> so the other piece of news is
[19:05] <kim0> the principia project is now principia-tools and principia is a distro now in launchpad
[19:05] <kim0> I could actually use some more explanations to what that entails
[19:06] <kim0> My understanding is each formula is a separate branch now
[19:06] <kim0> and that we can file bugs onto formulas
[19:06] <kim0> niemeyer: is that correct
[19:06] <niemeyer> kim0: That's right
[19:06] <niemeyer> kim0: This is part of the world domination plan
[19:06] <kim0> hahah
[19:07] <niemeyer> kim0: Which in technical terms means having a nice infrastructure for holding formulas in Launchpad
[19:07]  * kim0 nods
[19:07] <kim0> any other details to this distro thing
[19:07] <niemeyer> kim0: We want to enable a very smooth experience for pushing and consuming formulas
[19:07] <niemeyer> kim0: So each formula should be on its own branch
[19:07] <niemeyer> kim0: and we're working on more infrastructure to make good use of that
[19:08] <niemeyer> Sorry, I should be saying that to everyone rather than just kim0
[19:08] <kim0> the ensemble cli + server integration
[19:08] <niemeyer> Just too used to IRC conversations rather than presentations :)
[19:08] <kim0> correct ?
[19:08] <niemeyer> kim0: yeah
[19:08] <niemeyer> Yeah
[19:08] <niemeyer> :)
[19:08] <kim0> Sounds great
[19:08] <kim0> is there some path to someone contributing a formula currently
[19:09] <kim0> i.e. before the server integration stuff
[19:09] <kim0> For example I'm starting on a drupal formula and would love to merge it
[19:09] <kim0> and I know koolhead17 wants to start on one as well
[19:10]  * koolhead17 nods
[19:10] <kim0> koolhead17: How is it going for you
[19:10] <niemeyer> kim0: For now, just push a personal branch to Launchpad
[19:10] <koolhead17> kim0: am reading.
[19:10] <niemeyer> Anywhere in Launchpad
[19:10] <niemeyer> One formula per branch
[19:10] <kim0> Yeah that should be simple
[19:10] <koolhead17> i want to start with the simplest of all :)
[19:10] <niemeyer> If you do that, once the infrastructure starts working fully, it'll be trivial to integrate
[19:10] <kim0> koolhead17: have something in mind yet ?
[19:11] <kim0> niemeyer: thanks for clearing this
[19:11] <kim0> niemeyer: Is the PPA built daily
[19:11] <koolhead17> kim0: since wordpress/drupal is in process i can think of joomla
[19:12] <niemeyer> kim0: It is
[19:12] <kim0> awesome .. I may stop running from trunk then :)
[19:12] <niemeyer> kim0: Well, you'll continue running from trunk, just more comfortably
[19:12] <kim0> Yeah!
[19:12] <kim0> Ok that's it for news items
[19:13] <kim0> niemeyer: any recent development news you'd like to share
[19:13] <niemeyer> Config settings are almost merged
[19:13] <kim0> This should allow passing parameters to formulas
[19:14] <kim0> and is going to be great :)
[19:14] <kim0> sounds great
[19:14] <niemeyer> kim0: Exactly
[19:14] <niemeyer> Hopefully this week we'll have that in
[19:14] <kim0> woohoo
[19:14] <kim0> I see "dependency resolution" is in "Needs release" status
[19:14] <kim0> does that mean it's close
[19:15] <niemeyer> kim0: No, that's bogus..
[19:15] <kim0> ah
[19:15] <niemeyer> hazmat did a nice spike for us to start understanding the concept pre-UDS
[19:15] <niemeyer> This is about the spikje
[19:15] <niemeyer> spike
[19:15] <niemeyer> The feature will come after the repository is working
[19:16] <kim0> Is there any discussion about combining the actions from two different formulas
[19:16] <kim0> For example .. if I'd like to run a wordpress cluster
[19:16] <niemeyer> kim0: In which sense?
[19:16] <hazmat> yeah.. that was an experiment against local repository directories not against the remote repo that will be the future of formula sharing in ensemble
[19:17] <kim0> they'd have to share files over some shared storage
[19:17] <kim0> like nfs or gluster ..etc
[19:17] <kim0> that would probably be a different formula
[19:17] <niemeyer> kim0: Just add a relation which describes how to configure such storage
[19:17] <hazmat> niemeyer, its a deploy with scenario
[19:17] <hazmat> the units of wordpress need local access to the shared storage
[19:18] <niemeyer> hazmat: Not necessarily
[19:18] <niemeyer> hazmat: It depends on what the intention is
[19:18] <niemeyer> hazmat: The basic idea of setting up shared storage is doable with a plain relation
[19:18] <kim0> that's running nfs on an external host
[19:18] <kim0> just like we do memcache right
[19:19] <kim0> cool
[19:19] <niemeyer> Yeha
[19:19] <hazmat> niemeyer, in this case and the case of logging we're left with configuring the local components in an unrelated formula (ie munin configuration for basic stats on the unit, requires a munin relation hook on a un related formula, such that it install and setups munin-node).
[19:19] <hazmat> nfs is client/server
[19:19] <niemeyer> hazmat: You're assuming too much in that case
[19:19] <hazmat> perhaps
[19:19] <niemeyer> hazmat: Mounting a filesystem is trivial with a relation
[19:20] <koolhead17> kim0: hazmat i can check monit if needed
[19:20] <kim0> koolhead17: check in which sense
[19:20] <koolhead17> formula :)
[19:21] <kim0> koolhead17: create a formulas for it ..
[19:21] <kim0> yes that would be awesome
[19:21] <kim0> Alright if no one else has any more questions .. that should be all
[19:21] <kim0> thanks niemeyer hazmat koolhead17
[19:21] <kim0> = Meeting end =
[19:21] <niemeyer> kim0: Great meeting, thanks kim0
[19:22] <kim0> most welcome
[21:22] <hallyn_afk> should i be able to 'bzr co lp:principia' and get some formulas?  (/me confused)
[21:43] <hallyn_afk> SpamapS: ^
[21:44] <hallyn_afk> i assume i missed an email or whole thread discussing its moving, but, well, where did it go :)
[22:03] <hallyn_afk> principia-tools/scripts/getall also appears broken, but leads to the bzr commands I actually need
[22:14] <hallyn_afk> heh
[22:14] <hallyn_afk> ensemble deploy --repository=~/bzr/principia-tools/formulas mysql
[22:14] <hallyn_afk> [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/serge/~/bzr/principia-tools/formulas
[22:14] <hallyn_afk> cwd, foo!
[22:22] <hallyn_afk> yay, that was kind of fun
[23:15] <pvthodson> just have a simple question what are some common ubuntu cloud applications
[23:16] <pvthodson> or in other words why would I use a cloud server of a standard server install
[23:18] <pvthodson> anyone here
[23:43] <obino> pvthodson: I'm not sure I undersood your question.