[03:00] <ian_brasil> hi
[03:00] <ian_brasil> if anyone is still awake ;)
[03:00] <ian_brasil> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/25ume-config-common_startup
[03:01] <ian_brasil> used to export the the GTK2_RC_FILES environment variables for Gtk+2 widget themes here as follows:
[03:01] <ian_brasil> export GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/proview/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:/usr/share/themes/proview/gtk-2.0/gtkrc.maemo_af_desktop
[03:02] <ian_brasil> oops ...even export GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/mobilebasic/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:/usr/share/themes/mobilebasic/gtk-2.0/gtkrc.maemo_af_desktop
[03:02] <ian_brasil> it no longer does this and i wondered why
[03:02] <StevenK> ian_brasil: On Intrepid?
[03:02] <ian_brasil> no hardy
[03:03] <StevenK> The theme is set in gconf
[03:03] <StevenK> (For both Hardy and Intrepid
[03:04] <ian_brasil> so you do not override in  /usr/share/ume-config-common/ume-gui-start in matchbox /usr/bin/matchbox-window-manager \
[03:04] <ian_brasil>     -theme /usr/share/themes/mobilebasic/matchbox/theme.xml \
[03:05] <ian_brasil> StevenK: ok thx..i will look at gconf
[03:05] <StevenK> ian_brasil: It's set in the moblin-applets postinst, for some reason.
[03:06] <ian_brasil> yikes
[13:54] <crevette> hi there
[13:54] <crevette> does someone plan to upgrade bluez-gnome to 0.28 ?If not I can try to ask a Feature Exception
[14:14] <persia> crevette: Some of us have thought about it, and we're planning to look at the code again tomorrow.  Is there something specific about 0.28 that you need?
[14:14] <crevette> no appart to stick to the latest bluez-gnome
[14:15] <crevette> I think it should be pretty dsafe as new changes happens in bluez 4 now
[14:15] <crevette> I preparing a pbuilder env to build it
[14:15] <persia> crevette: I've built it.  Builds fine.
[14:15] <crevette> okay
[14:16] <crevette> do you have a deb to test it ?
[14:16] <persia> If you want a local copy, I'd recommend basing of the debian packaging, as that applies without any editing.  If you use the Ubuntu packaging, you'll need to revert some patches (as the Ubuntu upstream tarball is older)
[14:18] <crevette> ah I didn't look to debian package :/
[14:18] <cgregan> davmor2: ping
[14:18] <davmor2> cgregan: pong
[14:18] <cgregan> How's your afternoon going?
[14:19] <davmor2> Quite at the moment why (think Chris is sounding ominous)
[14:19] <cgregan> muahahahah
[14:19] <ogra> yeah, he has this looong list of tasks for you :P
[14:20] <davmor2> see how I knew ;)
[14:20] <ogra> heh
[14:20]  * ogra was joking :)
[14:20] <cgregan> davmor2: I was cleaning up the UME case area and the installation area needed updating for Intrepid
[14:20] <cgregan> I deleted all the MIC/Xephyr stuff
[14:21] <cgregan> But the KVM area needs to be altered so it refers to the correct repos
[14:21] <cgregan> Since you put that section together...could you get the info to update it?
[14:21] <cgregan> Not too long of a list :-)
[14:22] <davmor2> Yes no probs sticking with KVM this round then :)
[14:22] <cgregan> Yes...the current images already support KNM boot
[14:22] <cgregan> KVM
[14:22] <cgregan> So we might even be able to shorten the process
[14:23] <cgregan> Like..install KVM...point to latest image from cdimage and go
[14:23] <davmor2> I'll have a play with it this afternoon and see what I come up with then :)
[14:24] <cgregan> Sweet! Thanks
[14:24] <cgregan> Next! now serving.....lool: ping
[14:25] <cgregan> :-)
[14:27]  * davmor2 lool: don't answer it's a trick ;)
[14:28] <cgregan> hey...no fair davmor2! :-)
[14:28] <cgregan> I have lool's home phone number..so he will have to answer eventually! ;-)
[14:30] <cgregan> I also have a man inside his house I bribed with soft cuddly things.....he is still in diapers, but I'm sure he'd back me up.
[14:30] <davmor2> :D
[14:43] <lool> cgregan: Ah I don't see the pings in the form "blah lool: ping"; try "lool: ping" to get my attention  ;)
[14:43] <lool> cgregan: How may I help?
[14:47] <davmor2> lool: foolish mortal
[14:47] <lool> Yup, that's me
[14:47] <davmor2> you've fallen for his trick
[14:47] <lool> Either that or the guy with the diapers would have taken over my office
[14:49] <davmor2> :)
[14:58] <davmor2> cgregan: just a quick double check the latest images are the ones in mid correct?
[14:59] <cgregan> davmor2: correct
[14:59]  * persia updates the /topic
[14:59] <davmor2> np's
[14:59] <persia> Oh, I already did that :)
[14:59] <cgregan> lool: Do we have a list of what apps are being ripped out or replaced in Intrepid? I do not want to get overzealous with my wiki updates
[15:00] <lool> cgregan: We didn't build such a list; I think we might rip down more apps down the road to the release
[15:00] <lool> cgregan: We mostly care about functionality such as chat, web browsing, email
[15:01] <cgregan> lool: And they are moving to the mozilla stack?
[15:02] <lool> cgregan: hmm why is that?
[15:02] <cgregan> Well...we had that discussion of TB
[15:02] <cgregan> figured there might be a move to Firefox as well
[15:02]  * davmor2 download the latest image
[15:02] <persia> cgregan: The current images use midbrowser, TB, and pidgin.
[15:03] <persia> Firefox was there, but it's a beast on smaller hardware, and not very UI-efficient.
[15:03] <persia> (so we pulled it today)
[15:03] <cgregan> persia: Ok....was wondering
[15:04] <persia> cgregan: Understandably: it's been an effort to get anything even vaguely inspectable, so most of the changes have only been visible on the seeds, which isn't very visible.
[15:04] <persia> Please try an image: if there's an app you want added or removed, it's worth discussion.
[15:05] <cgregan> persia: Will do
[15:05] <cgregan> thanks all
[15:08] <ian_brasil> i downloaded the current image last night and i can get to the UI in kvm but there X freezes..is this known issue or shall i file a bug?
[15:09] <ogra> freezes ?
[15:09] <ogra> how ?
[15:09] <persia> ian_brasil: It's actually not frozen, it's just not accepting any input.
[15:09] <ogra> there is a known bug with X starting before hal
[15:09] <ogra> right
[15:09] <persia> There's a race condition with starting X.  Switch to a different VT, and run `sudo stop session; sudo start session` to get it working.
[15:10] <persia> This ought be sorted in the next image.
[15:10] <ian_brasil> persia: cool, thx
[15:12] <ian_brasil> images are created daily right?
[15:17] <persia> ian_brasil: There is an automated process to create them daily, and sometimes additional images are created if there is some reason it's worth while.
[15:18] <persia> There are two images for 20080912 for example, because 20080912 had a build failure, so 20080912.1 was created to test some other things.
[15:21] <ian_brasil> persia: ok cool..there seems to be lots of new goodies to play with in the image anyway :)
[15:22] <persia> ian_brasil: You mean that it works?
[15:22] <persia> Also, which image do you have?  20080911, 20080912, or 20080912.2 ?
[15:30] <ian_brasil> i mean that i can see the UI with what looks like lots of new stuff to play but it is not working no..i have 20080912.2
[15:30] <ian_brasil> if this is current on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/current/
[16:46] <ian_brasil> using ogras script i  get this error
[16:46] <ian_brasil> cp: writing `/tmp/image/casper/filesystem.squashfs': No space left on device
[16:46] <persia> How much extra stuff did you add?
[16:47] <ian_brasil> i just did a dist-upgrade
[16:47] <persia> There's only about 20G free, minus the preseed files, the kernel, and other miscellaneous bits.
[16:47] <persia> Hrm.  That oughtn't make it that much bigger :(
[16:48] <persia> Maybe do an `apt-get clean` afterwards?  It may be that your /var/cache/apt/archives directory contains a bunch of files.
[16:49] <ian_brasil> ok
[16:50] <persia> If that doesn't work, you'll need a bigger VFAT in which to put it.  This can be done, but it's a little trickier.
[16:52] <ogra> persia, 20G ?
[16:52] <ogra> you mean s/G/M
[16:52] <persia> Erm.  20M !
[16:52] <ogra> we should make that 100M
[16:52]  * persia probably needs to be a little more diurnal
[16:53] <persia> I was thinking we might hardcode at 510M so we can know we fit on 512M sticks, and then try to have as much space left over as possible.
[16:53] <ogra> where are we at not ?
[16:53] <ogra> *now
[16:53] <ogra> 480M ?
[16:54] <persia> 20080912.1 is 570M, but it's too big.
[16:54] <ogra> woah
[16:54] <persia> Yeah.  Needs more trimming.
[16:54] <ogra> my last downloaded one has 419M
[16:54] <ogra> 2008-08-28 though
[16:55] <persia> I suspect that doesn't have the installer.  Note that we're currently shipping fvwm1, so there's plenty of stuff we neither want nor use to drop.
[16:56] <ogra> fvwm1 o_O
[16:56] <ogra> who seelcted that ?
[16:56] <persia> Also, it's worth considering if we really want to ship *all* of openoffice.org
[16:56] <persia> I've not tracked it down yet: it's not seeded, but comes from the package relations.  It's surely a bug.
[16:56] <ogra> ah, i thought it was the WM we use
[16:57] <ian_brasil> what happened to trebuet ..the open office loader?
[16:57] <ogra> seems not to be in the archive
[16:57] <persia> ian_brasil: Currently we're shipping both treb and oo.o.
[16:58] <persia> ian_brasil: From what I understand, this isn't entirely intentional, but just a side effect of some other changes that happened in intrepid that also affect us.
[17:00] <persia> ogra: If you have time, take a look at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/20080912.1/ubuntu-mid.manifest to see if anything else strikes you as odd.
[17:00] <persia> I'm sure you'll end up with similar things for -mobile.
[17:00] <ogra> once i have images i'll do a huge cleanup
[17:00] <persia> Can you not construct images still?  I know they aren't automated, but what's blocking local creation?
[17:01] <ogra> though i want to stick as close o -desktop as i can with -mobile
[17:01] <ogra> to much other stuff on my todo ... i'll probably build one on the weekend
[17:01] <persia> In that case, I think you'll want to create a CD image, and use evand's tool to generate USB images.
[17:01] <ogra> i need to prepare the patches for steven as well
[17:02] <persia> Should be minor: it's just another flavour, and not arch-specific or anything.
[17:02] <ogra> right
[17:02] <ogra> but i dont want a CD image
[17:03] <persia> Well, livecd-rootfs doesn't generate a CD image: it only generates a squashfs.  Wrapping that into a VFAT image is fairly easy (as your scriot demonstrates).
[17:03] <ogra> right
[17:03] <ogra> but i want to use the same tool
[17:03] <persia> I suspect it's a 5 line change to livecd-rootfs to allow generation of -mobile images, after which you just need a wrapper.
[17:03] <ogra> right
[17:04] <ogra> wrapper -> one if or case statement to stevens build script
[17:04] <ogra> to use a different size for the vfat and the other names
[17:05] <persia> Actually, if you're planning to update that script, I'd recommend just appending, or doing a loop, rather than using if or case.
[17:05] <persia> Unless you think you'll have a significant use case for a different frequency of image generation.
[17:05] <ogra> i dont
[17:05] <ogra> but i will need a bigger vfat
[17:06] <persia> It's currently calculated as squashfs size + constant, so you get that for free as long as nobody decides to take my thoughts about 512M sticks seriously.
[17:07] <ogra> i'd like to make 800M ones
[17:07] <ogra> so people can esily modify
[17:07] <ogra> i dont expect my squashfs to be bigger than the liveCD one though
[17:08] <persia> I'm tempted by your idea of just increasing the buffer to ~100M or so, rather than using hardcoded sizes.
[17:08] <ogra> if that works ill enhance my image editor to a synaptics wrapper ;)
[17:08] <persia> Probably good for both images (although downloading 100M of empty space will annoy some people)
[17:08] <ogra> so you can just call it with --gui and have synaptics spawned inside the squashfs
[17:09] <persia> Are you really expecting a lot of people to need image modifications?  Why not just install it?
[17:10] <ogra> well, its only me toying around ... but synaptic is inside the image anyway, so why not have a point and click option
[17:10] <ogra> its tirvial :)
[17:12] <persia> I guess, but I think you're building the best buggy-whip ever with that sort of thing.  Cool, but ultimately not that useful.
[17:12] <StevenK> I agree. 100M of empty space is excessive.
[17:12] <StevenK> 30M *maybe*, but not 100M
[17:12] <persia> Essentially, the only use case I see for modified images is for 1) more aggressive preseeding for factory installs or 2) adding a couple extra bits to get networking post-install.
[17:13] <ogra> rebranding is another one
[17:13] <ogra> there are at least three hackish solutions to modify the live iso in a gui way
[17:13] <persia> ogra: One feature I'd like to see in the script is an apt-get clean: it allows users to apt-get update rather than rsyncing a new image.
[17:13] <ogra> if possible i'd like to prevent that
[17:16] <ogra> yeah, apt-get clean should be added ...
[17:16] <ogra> feel free to change in the bzr branch :)
[17:18] <persia> People keep encouraging me to do stuff instead of pointing stuff out ...
[17:18] <persia> :)
[17:19] <persia> And the wiki too?  Is that up-to-date?  Have you set it to automatcially pull from bzr head?
[17:19] <persia> Where's the code in bzr?
[17:19] <ogra> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile-dev/ubuntu-mobile/mobile-scripts
[17:20] <ogra> image-tools subdir
[17:20] <ogra> can the wiki pull from bzr ?
[17:20]  * ogra didnt know
[17:20] <ogra> i wanted to simlply point to LP to the branch
[17:21] <persia> I believe moin can include an arbitrary URL
[17:21] <ogra> though i think lool wanted to have the scripts packaged at some point
[17:22] <persia> Might as well toss that one in ubuntu-dev-tools, no?
[17:23] <ogra> i think he meant to have a ubuntu-mobile-scripts package once we have a collection in that branch
[17:23] <ogra> or ubuntu-mobile-dev-scripts
[17:23] <persia> Do you think we'll have enough of them?
[17:24] <ogra> stevens build wrapper
[17:24] <ogra> loic has some casper modifying scripts
[17:24] <ogra> i might add some to mine as well
[17:25] <ogra> actually i'd like to have various frontend scripts using the current one for different modifications
[17:25] <persia> I think the build wrapper belongs in livecd-rootfs along with the CD build wrapper, although given the timing, I don't mind it not being there for intrepid.
[17:25] <ogra> well, not for intrepid anyway
[17:25] <ogra> for now we have the branch and should go on collecting them there
[17:25] <persia> I think the casper-modifying scripts belong to the set of lore devoted to modifying liveCDs (and live images), rather than being mobile specfic.
[17:25] <ogra> in jaunty we should review the branch and do a cleanup
[17:26] <persia> Well, I'm not going to complain about revision control and public source :)  Still, I don't think it ought be collected as a package.
[17:26] <ogra> lets see
[17:26] <ogra> nothing we need to decide now :)
[17:27] <persia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/46294/ look right to you?
[17:28] <ogra> i would put it into a separate chroot call and line
[17:28] <ogra> for better readability
[17:29] <ogra> oh
[17:29] <ogra> heh
[17:29] <ogra> yes, looks good to me
[17:29]  * ogra saw a - where none is
[17:29] <ogra> i should stop for the day
[17:29] <ogra> susie is also starting to look unpleased ...
[17:47] <ian_brasil> I am trying to turn accessibility on in gconf but it is not working
[17:47] <ian_brasil> root@lawrence:/# gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/accessibility/enable true
[17:47] <ian_brasil> root@lawrence:/# gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility
[17:47] <ian_brasil> false
[17:47] <ian_brasil> any ideas?
[17:47] <ogra> ian_brasil, do you try that in the chroot ?
[17:47] <ogra> that wont work ...
[17:48] <ogra> gconftool expects a running gconfd
[17:48] <ian_brasil> i am inside the chroot
[17:48] <ogra> if you want a system setting use a file in /usr/share/gconf/defaults/
[17:49] <ogra> echo '/desktop/gnome/accessibility/enable "true"' >/usr/share/gconf/defaults/65-a11y
[17:50] <ogra> then run update-gconf-defaults in the chroot
[17:50] <ogra> ahyway, really out now ... susie moans ...
[17:52] <persia> ian_brasil: You'll really need to do that in the booted system, rather than in the image.
[17:52] <ian_brasil> persia: why is that?
[17:53] <persia> ian_brasil: Because you're not running the daemons in the image, so you don't have the right environment for the tools.  I suppose you could start and stop the daemons manually, or manually adjust the gconf settings DB, but neither of those are at all easy.
[18:16] <ian_brasil> persia: the apt-get clean worked and i have a new image..the apt-get dist-upgrade has also solved the X problem
[18:16] <persia> ian_brasil: Excellent news.  I'd tested that locally, but hadn't gone back since it was uploaded.
[18:16] <persia> What HW are you using?
[18:17] <ian_brasil> i am using kvm
[18:18] <persia> Oh well.  Usability testing only then.  I've yet to hear of anyone testing the new images on HW other than the Samsung, and was curious how the new Xinput stuff worked for special keys and the like.
[18:19] <persia> I know the X team has been focusing on getting all the special function keys working for laptops, but I've not heard of much effort to set the right keymappings for MID-type function keys (not that there are so many MIDs available: mostly UMPCs and netbooks)
[18:22] <ian_brasil> ha ha..clicking on the terminal brings up time and date!
[18:22] <persia> For me it was launching Thunderbird.  There's something funny with the terminal.
[18:23] <persia> One workaround is to use ctrl-alt-1 and then type "sendkey ctrl-alt-f2" to get a different VT.
[18:23] <persia> (or maybe it's ctrl-alt-2 on the host keyboard : I forget exactly, as I usually use -monitor stdio)
[19:57] <ian_brasil> persia: what is  -monitor stdio ?
[21:47] <kadakas> Will Ubuntu mobile work for HTC P4350 smartphone?
[21:50] <ian_brasil> kadakas: from the FAQ link at the top
[21:50] <ian_brasil> Ubuntu does not currently provide ARM binaries for any flavour. Although the Ubuntu MID flavour currently has some optimisations for the "lpia" architecture, one of the goals of the MobileTeam is to develop architecture-neutral solutions. Some people and groups have compiled portions of Ubuntu for ARM processors with a fair degree of success, but there is no firm expectation that any Ubuntu flavour will work on an ARM-based devi
[21:50] <ian_brasil> ce at this time.
[21:51] <kadakas> thank you
[21:51] <kadakas> ill return this subject in a year :p
[22:11] <chuck> has anyone tried running this on the eee pc?
[22:16] <jebba> chuck, see #eeepc too
[22:34] <chuck> bspencer_ works at intel?!
[22:35] <bspencer_> chuck is that you?  the /real/ chuck?
[22:35] <chuck> yes, i'm chuck norris
[22:35]  * bspencer_ quickly runs "Who is"


[00:56] <hychen> FourDollars, I heard your voice
[00:56] <hychen> FourDollars, do you hear my voice?
[00:56] <FourDollars> hychen: no
[07:38] <looklook> = =!
[14:01] <rick__> Hello all, I got 'Failed to get size of gamma for output default' when I execute xrandr command.
[14:01] <rick__> How do I fix this by modifying the xorg driver


[00:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: where are you uploading to stage stuff?
[00:33] <micahg> fta: PM?
[00:33] <fta> sure, bug 787846 for you btw
[00:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 787846 in chromium-browser "11.0.696.68 -> 11.0.696.71" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/787846
[00:33] <micahg> fta: thanks
[00:34] <fta> from the security channel
[00:35] <fta> i didn't paste the descriptions, because those bugs are not disclosed yet
[00:35] <fta> and are not controlled by google
[01:00] <micahg> fta: BTW, there's a new gyp available in Debian for merge/sync
[01:02] <fta> doesn't matter, i stopped using it
[01:05] <micahg> fta: k, you want me to take care of it then?
[01:06] <fta> gyp? our chromium stopped using it long ago, not sure what else needs it
[01:07] <fta> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/72379090/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-armel.chromium-browser_11.0.696.71~r86024-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:07] <micahg> fta: I was asking with my MOTU hat on, sorry for the confusion
[01:07] <fta> still the ld crash on armel :p
[01:09] <micahg> ugh, janimo hasn't had time to look at it, I probably can't get to it until next week
[01:09] <fta> asac, ^^
[07:36] <asac> fta: do you have a bug on that?
[07:37] <asac> let me give that log to our porting queue lead ... i guess he wants a bug though
[07:39] <asac> fta: one mastery that might be interesting would be to biuld normal ... if fail, run one more make with V=1
[07:39] <asac> fta: did michael opdenacker talk to you about board?
[07:40] <asac> fta: suihkulokki in #linaro is now our master of porting queue/effort
[15:15] <fta> dpm, hi. could you please fix this string? https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+pots/chromium-strings/ca/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=El%20Chromium%20OS%20no%20%C3%A9s%20compatible%20amb%20l%27execuci%C3%B3%20d%27aplicacions%20externes%20que%20gestionen%20els%20enlla%C3%A7os%20%25%7BSCHEME%7D
[15:16] <dpm> fta, sure, on a call, will fix in a couple of hours
[15:18] <fta> dpm, thanks
[15:18] <fta> dpm, it's been like that for days :P
[15:34] <dpm> fta, ok, finished earlier than expected with the call. String fixed.
[15:34] <fta> thanks
[22:36] <BUGabundo> firefox-trunk: Installed: 7.0~a1~hg20110525r70149 !!!!!! 7!!!!!!!!!
[22:36] <BUGabundo> we are on a quick pace
[22:36] <BUGabundo> aren't we ?
[22:44] <fta> BUGabundo, it doesn't mean it's better ;)
[22:44] <BUGabundo> no
[22:44] <fta> BUGabundo, btw, did you fix your desktop
[22:44] <BUGabundo> it means it breaks it
[22:44] <BUGabundo> no
[22:44] <BUGabundo> fighting it very hard
[22:44] <BUGabundo> stupid gtk3
[22:45] <fta> you probably installed something (long?) before the transition started
[22:45] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:45] <BUGabundo> I never do dangerous upgrades


[05:13] <pitti> Good morning
[05:56] <didrocks> good morning
[05:59] <hikiko> hello
[06:16] <didrocks> hey hikiko!
[06:23] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[06:23] <pitti> hey hikiko
[06:24] <didrocks> bonjour pitti, ça va ?
[06:24] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien !
[06:24]  * pitti is setting up autopkgtesting on s390x, yay new toys :)
[06:25] <pitti> didrocks: et toi ?
[06:26] <didrocks> pitti: ça va ! Jetbrains changed their entire website with client-side javascript. I'm working on a way to make it working back with Ubuntu Make
[06:26] <hikiko> hello pitti didrocks \\
[06:27] <pitti> didrocks: urgh, screenscraping throug JS? meh
[06:28] <didrocks> pitti: I'm trying to avoid the JS screenscrapping on purpose :p
[07:49] <flocculant> didrocks: I found something else on an apt-get update/grade in an install yesterday - which seems to affect some flavours, reported it bug 1524937
[07:50] <flocculant> didn't appear yesterday in ubuntu's daily though
[07:50] <didrocks> flocculant: yeah, I guess it's the same issue than the one you told me yesterday
[07:50] <didrocks> flocculant: I'm fixing/releasing Ubuntu Make and then, I'll work on this
[07:50] <flocculant> I guess so - didn't want to try and explain that in IRC :D
[07:51] <didrocks> heh :)
[07:51] <flocculant> ack - just thought I'd let you know as soon as I could be bothered to get up - day off \o/
[07:51] <didrocks> flocculant: this missing file is the reason why you don't have a boot splash in virtualbox
[07:51] <didrocks> flocculant: ahah, enjoy! :)
[07:51] <flocculant> :)
[08:03] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[08:03] <didrocks> re seb128
[08:03] <seb128> re didrocks ;-)
[08:15] <pitti> salut seb128!
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, salut! comment ça va?
[08:15] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien, merci !
[08:15] <larsu> bonjour!
[08:15] <seb128> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[08:16] <larsu> great, thanks! And you?
[08:16] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[08:16] <larsu> are you still in London?
[08:16] <seb128> no, I did the trip for a day
[08:16] <larsu> ah
[08:16] <seb128> woke up at 7am was back at 22:45
[08:16] <larsu> :(
[08:17] <seb128> it's not too bad
[08:17] <seb128> the door to door trip is a bit less than 3 hours
[08:18] <larsu> that's pretty good!
[08:19] <seb128> yeah, woke up at 7, took the 8:30 flight from rotterdam, was at the office at 9:30 (with the 1 hour difference)
[08:21] <didrocks> hey larsu!
[08:23] <larsu> bonjour didrocks! Ça va?
[08:24] <didrocks> larsu: ça va, jetbrains changed their all website and went client-side javascript leaded
[08:24] <didrocks> so, I have an emergency release to do :p
[08:24] <didrocks> (people already opened bug reports as well, even if the change was overnight :p)
[08:25] <larsu> ha, wow
[08:25] <didrocks> I've foud their API though
[08:25] <didrocks> so, directly using it :)
[08:26] <didrocks> (just running the large tests locally before modifying the medium one + releasing)
[08:27] <didrocks> (their new icons are lovely btw)
[08:56] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  about that silo31. I would be happy to forget about the Xenial landing this time and just focus on the real deal... the OTA9 for Vivid overlay. What is 100% good and clear.
[08:57] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  The address-book-app test failure is not a UITK related one, but I  can look after that issue after this UITK is merged and landed.
[08:57] <sil2100> bzoltan_: it's something I'm considering, but still - the fact is address-book-app *only* fails to build with the new UITK
[08:57] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  for me the Vivid landing is the priority ... nobody and no product is using Xenial UITK or address-book
[08:58] <sil2100> So UITK needs to have something to do with the unbuildability
[08:58] <willcooke> morning team
[08:58] <bzoltan_> sil2100: with respect I disagree... the addressbook builds fine... it is an AP test on xenial what fails
[08:58] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  except if it is just flakyness
[08:58] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[08:59] <willcooke> hey didrocks, how goes?
[08:59] <didrocks> willcooke: fixing Ubuntu Make has JetBrains changed completely their websites and went to client-side templating :p
[08:59] <willcooke> yay!
[08:59] <didrocks> found their API and poking with it, all large tests pass, adapting the medium ones now with new certificates, docker container and such…
[09:00] <willcooke> nice job for a Friday :/
[09:00] <didrocks> yeah ;) well, at least, there are 2 bug reports about it
[09:00] <didrocks> and some °1
[09:00] <didrocks> +1*
[09:00] <didrocks> so, it means, people are really using it :p
[09:00] <didrocks> it's not only my tests complaining
[09:00] <willcooke> thats excellent, kinda
[09:04] <larsu> morning willcooke!
[09:04] <darkxst> hey willcooke didrocks larsu
[09:05] <larsu> hi darkxst
[09:05] <darkxst> and seb128  of course
[09:05] <seb128> hey willcooke darkxst
[09:05] <willcooke> hey guys
[09:05] <willcooke> seb128, good return trip?
[09:06]  * darkxst been playing experiments in GCI
[09:06] <didrocks> hey darkxst
[09:06] <darkxst> unforunately no one seems to be biting
[09:06] <seb128> willcooke, yeah, uneventfull, London City is great, there was nobody at security, it took me like 3 minutes to go from entrance to gate
[09:07] <willcooke> nice!
[09:07] <seb128> did you stay long?
[09:07] <willcooke> Nah, I had to catch the train at 1953, so I headed out shortly after you did
[09:07] <seb128> k
[09:14] <darkxst> Laney, can you give the packageset script a prod!
[09:15] <darkxst> ^ubuntu GNOME one
[09:15] <seb128> larsu, I can't reproduce the geonames u-c-c issue on my normal laptop, so maybe some timing issue ... in any case it looks good enough to be proposed I think, can you do that? (with a build-depends on libgeonames-dev)
[09:17] <larsu> seb128: it looks good to me as well. Let's put it in and wait for feedback?
[09:17] <larsu> I'll put up a merge request
[09:17] <seb128> +1
[09:17] <seb128> thanks
[09:23] <larsu> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity-control-center/datetime-use-geonames/+merge/280265
[09:23] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[09:35] <mvo> hi, I feel a bit stupid but for some reason I lost the indicator-session (the right in the top right with the logout menu) and I can't bring it back. I can see in ps that indicator-session-service is running. I tried unity --reset and unity-tweak-tool with no results (not reset) and poked in dconf to see if the indicators is somehow disabled but no luck. any hints for me?
[09:36] <larsu> mvo: it's got an upstart job that you can restart
[09:37] <mvo> larsu: I tried killing it, it got a new pid but nothing changed in my panel
[09:38] <larsu> mvo: weird! Does it throw any errors if you start the binary manually? (stop the upstart job before)
[09:39] <mvo> larsu: let me try
[09:41] <mvo> larsu: hm, nothing, no error it just runs, let me strac eit
[09:46] <mvo> larsu: this is interessting, so when I enable "show real name on panel" I get the name, I suspect it can not find the icon for some reason. I am using radiance but did switch to high contrast in the past to see if the gtk-notebook tabs are easier to see this way.
[09:49] <larsu> mvo: oh! But you're back on ubuntu-mono icons now?
[09:49] <mvo> larsu: I have no idea, how can I check? I'm back to whereever the systme-settings bring me when I click on radiance :)
[09:50] <larsu> yeah that should be it. To make sure, `gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme`
[09:52] <mvo> larsu: I'm at adwaita in the icon theme. I'm not sure I did that consciously (I doubt it) but this is a older install that goes back to probably pre 14.04
[09:52] <larsu> mvo: switching theme in system settings should reset the icon theme as well
[09:53] <larsu> mvo: otherwise just gsettings set that same key to ubuntu-mono-light (or -dark if you're on Ambiance)
[09:53] <mvo> larsu: I just verified and it does, thank you and sorry for the noise
[09:58] <larsu> mvo: no worries :)
[10:00] <mvo> larsu: I wonder how hard it would be to display a "broken" icon if the icon can not be found in the icon theme, it seems this needs to be done in the unity code itself (?) because the indicators just send the name over?
[10:04] <larsu> mvo: yeah that's actually what it should do (GtkImage does that by default)
[10:04] <larsu> not sure why it isn't working
[10:07] <mvo> larsu: hm, thanks, let me poke at it for a sec
[10:14] <mvo> larsu: heh .) its nt using a GtkImage for rendering, its nux+cairo
[10:26] <mvo> geh, unity building takes long
[10:30] <seb128> indeed, cpp for you :-/
[10:31] <Trevinho> Oh... I forgot to say "hi" today... Being in the office makes you forget to repeat that online... :/. Sorry.
[10:31] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, how was your flight back?
[10:31] <seb128> hey Trevinho!
[10:31] <seb128> good
[10:31] <seb128> no surprise
[10:31] <seb128> how was the party?
[10:32] <Trevinho> seb128, Laney, willcooke, xnox: we did a mistake last night... we didn't take advantage of the photo booth :-(. We would have been awesome, I know...
[10:33] <willcooke> ha
[10:33] <willcooke> Rule 1:  No evidence
[10:33] <Trevinho> ahah
[10:33] <Trevinho> seb128: the party was nice. At certain point they stopped giving drinks for free, but that was quite late (~23:30)...
[10:33] <Trevinho> So, there was enough time to enjoy the night before
[10:34] <Trevinho> Unfortunately there was not that much food... But, who really needs it?
[10:34] <willcooke> :)
[10:34] <seb128> liquid food!
[10:39] <seb128> xnox, Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/no-gcc-recommends/+merge/280179 in case you didn't see it yesterday
[10:39] <seb128> xnox, thanks ;-)
[10:40] <seb128> I'm going to do a landing with and some other things a bit later
[10:40] <seb128> but first going for lunch
[10:40] <seb128> bbiab
[10:43] <didrocks> enjoy seb128
[11:11] <didrocks> flocculant: so, I wonder if the issue is more general (on the whole live), if I force showing up the splashscreen after booting, I have the xubuntu detail theme as expected
[11:11] <didrocks> I wonder if it's the same on the desktop image, but it seems there is none since the transition
[11:11] <Sweet5hark> <- xkcd303'ed still with snappy.
[11:12] <didrocks> cyphermox: you were looking (as you did one plymouth upload) at fixing the ubuntu desktop image? I'm unsure where the live logs since we moved from people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive to log them
[11:12] <didrocks> flocculant: on the other bug report, it's a false positive (just a harmless warning), I have a plymouth fix ready to not confuse users, but I'm waiting on the other fix first
[11:13] <didrocks> I wonder if /usr isn't available on the live or such?
[11:15] <flocculant> didrocks: it certainly *appears* to be general - do you mean the bug I reported is a false positive?
[11:15] <didrocks> flocculant: yeah, it's just a warning which has no effect (and only appear in a case for flavors which don't implement their own .so)
[11:16] <didrocks> flocculant: but nothing related to the live
[11:16] <didrocks> flocculant: btw, ubiquity in install mode is segfaulting on the xubuntu live
[11:16] <flocculant> yea - I assumed it was nothing to do with live, but saw it so thought it best to report rather than forget
[11:17] <didrocks> yep
[11:17] <didrocks> just not doing an upload just for this
[11:17] <Laney> hi!
[11:17] <didrocks> flocculant: ok, I'm doing a xubuntu install just to check
[11:17] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[11:17] <Laney> seb128: don't you want to recommend the faces thing or is that seeded?
[11:17] <didrocks> shouldn't you be off?
[11:17] <Laney> yeah :)
[11:17] <didrocks> :p
[11:18] <didrocks> Laney: as you are here, would you be kind enough to direct me through launchpad to get latest ubuntu desktop live build attempt? I'm unsure how to get to it since we moved from people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive
[11:18] <didrocks> (want to check if it's still plymouth or something else…)
[11:19] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/xenial/ubuntu
[11:20] <didrocks> excellent, thanks Laney :)
[11:22] <Laney> xnox: you should submit your ual fix
[11:23] <xnox> ok
[11:23] <didrocks> flocculant: ok, so that's only the live, once installed, you don't have that issue anymore
[11:23] <xnox> Laney, yes, mentor....
[11:23] <didrocks> flocculant: I really wonder if /usr is available on live (but plymouth gives no log :/)
[11:23] <didrocks> flocculant: I'm check yesterday's ubuntu desktop image to see if it's only your flavor or everything
[11:26] <xnox> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-app-launch/gnu99/+merge/280282
[11:28] <Laney> thanks!
[11:28] <Laney> xnox: did you see that it blocks on click? :)
[11:28] <Laney> really I just came online on my day off to check on this :P
[11:29] <xnox> Laney, yes. and so did cjwatson, hence he staged click dual landing in a silo.
[11:29] <Laney> siloooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo
[11:29] <flocculant> didrocks: with the images I checked it only appeared to be mine which text instead of splash, but I did only check Ubuntu and Lubuntu otherwise
[11:30] <xnox> Laney, i'm afraid i'm not in on the joke ;-)
[11:30] <Laney> never mind
[11:30] <didrocks> flocculant: yeah, I can reproduce that, but not on installed version, right?
[11:31] <Laney> I guess this gets to block on the QA team if it's a dual landing...
[11:31] <didrocks> flocculant: only when booting the live
[11:31] <flocculant> didrocks: ack
[11:31] <didrocks> (I'm downloading yesterday's ubuntu image to confirm it's widespread)
[11:31] <flocculant> oh
[11:32] <flocculant> didrocks: actually - just installed today's build and http://i.imgur.com/oK6obA9.png
[11:32] <didrocks> flocculant: what is wrong?
[11:32] <didrocks> (not using xubuntu, sorry ;))
[11:32] <flocculant> well it shouldn't be black :)
[11:33] <didrocks> flocculant: I guess it's probably because your dm isn't clearing the screen
[11:33] <didrocks> and so you have the plymouth screen
[11:33] <didrocks> then, your dm overlay
[11:33] <didrocks> and as you don't have the plymouth detail theme showing up…
[11:33] <xnox> Laney, ubuntu-ui-toolkit, autopilot, click all will need to go in together
[11:34] <flocculant> didrocks: not a clue here :p I'll assume you're talking sense :)
[11:34] <didrocks> ;)
[11:37] <didrocks> flocculant: ok, so should be only flavors… the ubuntu desktop image is showing up the detail theme
[11:37]  * didrocks is even more puzzle then
[11:38] <didrocks> flocculant: I may need to think on that a little bit longer, I don't see immediately what is wrong making flavors not showing up their derived themes
[11:38] <flocculant> throw sand at me - that's Laney's reaction to me :p
[11:38] <didrocks> ahah :)
[11:38] <didrocks> no, probably something I did wrong
[11:38] <didrocks> but I don't understand what right now
[11:38] <didrocks> (and no plymouth logs :/)
[11:39] <flocculant> didrocks: ok - well I'm sure the lightbulb will go off in your head at some point - I do try to skim the backlog in here :)
[11:40] <didrocks> flocculant: do you have a xubuntu-desktop iso (before the 9th) handy that you can share?
[11:41] <didrocks> flocculant: forget, the one from the 9th is good enough
[11:42]  * didrocks downloads
[11:42] <didrocks> argh, was cleaned up :p
[11:42] <didrocks> flocculant: so yeah, one from the 8th of before, if you can share that, that would be helpful! :)
[11:43] <Laney> xnox: if I'm reading the uninstallability of ubuntu-touch/amd64 right it's because qtmir and qtmir-gles have different versions
[11:43] <Laney> = ${source:Version} depends to another source package's binaries
[11:43] <Laney> great!
[11:44]  * Laney has to go shopping for a christmas tree now though, alas
[11:44] <Laney> laters
[11:44] <willcooke> Pictures of you on your bike with a tree please
[11:44] <didrocks> enjoy your week-end Laney!
[11:45] <Laney> oh hey willcooke, tried to find you and Trevinho when leaving yesterday but didn't, sorry!
[11:45] <Laney> hope you had a fun party
[11:45]  * Laney byeeee
[11:45] <willcooke> cya
[11:46] <Trevinho> enjoy!
[12:25] <flocculant> didrocks: sorry - not here, I don't have a huge amount of data space, so after zysnc does it's thing, rm has a go
[12:33] <seb128> Laney, good point, updated
[12:37] <mvo> larsu: just so that you know that answering my silly questions was not totally in vain: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1525186
[12:37] <mvo> larsu: with patch
[12:38] <mvo> Trevinho: are you the right person to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1525186 ? or should I ping someone else? there is a patch in there, I'm not asking for fixing, just to review/merge the fix
[12:39] <Trevinho> mvo: ok thanks...
[12:39] <Trevinho> mvo: I guess that should be a role of unity-panel service or of the indicator itself btw, as it happens when with indicator-appmenu, but.... I can check that
[12:39] <Trevinho> larsu: what you think ?
[12:40] <mvo> Trevinho: just switch to "highcontrast" in xenial and you will see the issue. so the indicator sends "image-missing" as the icon name but for some reason the code that calls g_icon_info_get_filename gets /org/gnome .../image-missing which of course can not be loaded
[12:41] <mvo> Trevinho: so I think there is an underlying issue but still having a fallback if there is no pixbuf is a good thing IMO
[12:42] <larsu> mvo: oh nice!
[12:42] <Trevinho> ouch....
[12:43] <Trevinho> larsu: do you have idea why g_icon gets that wrong filename?
[12:43] <larsu> Trevinho: which GIcon
[12:43] <didrocks> Trevinho: mind looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~aneeshmadhavan/unity/unity/+merge/280289 and confirm what I'm seeing?
[12:43] <mvo> I updated the bugreport to have the real log message
[12:43] <Trevinho> mvo: well, it's not a bad thing... That's true... Especially with indicators with no label, or we'd lose them
[12:44] <Trevinho> didrocks: I was looking at that right now
[12:44] <mvo> Trevinho: thats what I was experiencing  and I was very confused (and I don't like that :P
[12:44] <larsu> Trevinho: I like mvo's approach. Be liberal in what you accept blah blah - this goes for empty icon strings as well
[12:44] <mvo> (being confused that is)
[12:44] <Trevinho> didrocks: I don't think it's needed, that's something that it's automatically done at packaging level
[12:44] <mvo> larsu: \o/
[12:44]  * larsu is always in favor of solutions that make mvo less confused :)
[12:44] <Trevinho> :)
[12:45] <didrocks> Trevinho: right, but it's still an easy task for new contributors
[12:45] <xnox> Laney, have you submitted your fix for ubuntu-app-launch? (the return value?!)
[12:45] <didrocks> Trevinho: and I guess it's more a "let's get it in for trunk"
[12:45] <didrocks> wdyt?
[12:45] <Trevinho> didrocks: mh, ok.... :)
[12:45] <didrocks> Trevinho: that was on your list btw :)
[12:45] <didrocks> Trevinho: so want to merge?
[12:45] <seb128> xnox, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-app-launch/fix-ftbfs/+merge/279322
[12:45] <seb128> xnox, he submitted it and then rejected pointing that existing one
[12:46] <xnox> ah, cool.
[12:46] <Trevinho> mvo: would you mind to make a merge proposal instead of the patch (no need for the debian changelog, as the ci-train will generate it for us :-))
[12:46] <Trevinho> ?
[12:46] <xnox> marking as prerequisite
[12:50] <mvo> Trevinho: sure, will do
[12:51] <Trevinho> mvo: thanks, just one small change: put the opening bracket on new line and define "image-missing" as a const string on the unnamed namespace...
[12:52] <mvo> Trevinho: thanks, I will do that too
[13:04] <Sweet5hark> meh
[13:04]  * Sweet5hark has troubles building against nss ...
[13:23] <mvo> Trevinho: pushed a slightly updated version, I'm testbuilding  now
[13:42] <cyphermox> didrocks: as Laney pointed out earlier, the logs are on Launchpad
[14:50] <seb128> didrocks, since you NEW review it you might feel like MIR review it as well? ;-) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/geonames/+bug/1525156
[15:03] <didrocks> cyphermox: yeah, the question was "where to find those" :)
[15:03] <didrocks> seb128: not today, but can on Monday
[15:03] <didrocks> (did quite some MIRing this week, too many for my taste ;))
[15:07] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[15:07] <seb128> let's see maybe mterry beats you to it
[15:07] <seb128> but since he did gnome-logs recently I was trying to balance
[15:08]  * seb128 goes to help a friend to move some wood for the winter, back in an hour or so
[15:10] <didrocks> seb128: well, I did 5 this weeks :p
[15:10] <didrocks> so let our team balance it ourselves :p
[15:14]  * didrocks continues closing bugs because people are impacted by the jetbrains change
[15:14] <didrocks> we are now at 10 "+1" through various chan
[15:14] <didrocks> (and that's only people interacting)
[16:00] <willcooke> larsu, around?
[16:03]  * Sweet5hark finished something like a LibreOffice PoC build inside snapcraft!
[16:04] <willcooke> \o/
[16:07] <Sweet5hark> I brutally armtwisted it around to build the xmlsecurity/nss horrors, so likely anything using signed libreoffice documents will break horribly ...
[16:08] <Trevinho> qengho: hey, did you report a bug for that Alt+t issue?
[16:08] <qengho> Trevinho: no.
[16:08] <Sweet5hark> ... and it doesnt yet finish tests (they are not failing though, some tests fail to build as of now still though ...
[16:08] <Trevinho> qengho: can you please? I've a fix for that...
[16:08] <qengho> Trevinho: Sure.
[16:09] <Sweet5hark> ... and finally: its not yet installing in the snap.
[16:09] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, it's a good start ;)
[16:09] <Sweet5hark> willcooke:  Yes, the rest should be solvable bit by bit.
[16:11] <Sweet5hark> Oh, and: The result will probably be huge still: as pitti said "LibreOfficeOS". But that will also be fixable incrementally then.
[16:17] <qengho> Trevinho: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1525308
[17:14]  * didrocks waves good evening and good night! See you on Monday guys
[17:14] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: have a nice weekend!
[17:14]  * Sweet5hark is off too now. Bye guys!
[17:14] <willcooke> see ya didrocks Sweet5hark
[17:15] <didrocks> see you Sweet5hark, willcooke!
[17:34] <willcooke> g'night all
[17:57]  * Trevinho waves...
[17:57] <Trevinho> oh, not really...
[21:22] <xclaesse> desrt, Hi, any progress on GSettingsBackendChangeset? any chance you can review appservice?
[21:23] <xclaesse> desrt, I've got the whole thing working now, using a keyfile instead of apparmor rules