[00:00] <SamwiseGamgee> I just chose one of the selected programs to use to open the PDF, cause I wanted to see if it would work
[00:01] <David-A> yoLo_: no, I'm to old
[00:02] <SamwiseGamgee> Is that one called Document Viewer?  Does that access PDFs to view them?
[00:02] <yoLo_> my linux prompt me for new updates and suddenly after installation all my files were locked
[00:02] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: the document viewer in my system is called Evince. there are several programs that can display pdf. I am not sure but I think evince is the default.
[00:02] <yoLo_> when i restarted my PC i got Disk Error
[00:03] <David-A> yoLo_: if mount failed, it may be that the file system is read-only.
[00:03] <yoLo_> i couldn't log back in and everytime i restarted my PC never made it to log-in screen
[00:04] <David-A> yoLo_: disk error is serious. first thing first. do you have a recent backup of your important documents? (projects, emails, photos)
[00:04] <yoLo_> why do they include updates like this ?
[00:05] <yoLo_> David-A, i have just done a clean xubuntu installation
[00:07] <David-A> yoLo_: I'v never had an update like that.
[00:08] <David-A> yoLo_: do you have an option "recovery mode" or similar in a grub boot menu?
[00:09] <yoLo_> i probably do but i never bothered checking
[00:09] <yoLo_> next
[00:09] <yoLo_> time
[00:10] <David-A> yoLo_: if you normally do not have a grub boot menu, you may need to press a key at a certain time during the boot process. I am not sure but maybe it is esc. And it is right after the bios has made its selftests.
[00:10] <yoLo_> ok
[00:19] <willie_> Why can't I get flash working on Chromium?
[01:26] <yoLo_> David-A, what is a top level directory ?
[01:36] <David-A> yoLo_: the most top level dir is  /
[01:37] <David-A> yoLo_: it has no dir above it, no parents
[01:38] <David-A> yoLo_: what is the context?
[01:38] <yoLo_> so when it says "go to the top level directory of a project" then you go to /
[01:38] <David-A> yoLo_: no
[01:39] <yoLo_> you go to the folder in which your project is contained ?
[01:40] <David-A> yoLo_: a dir a bit down can be a top dir of a set of subdirs. e.g. for /a/b/c /a/b/c/d a/b/d /a/b/d/e and /a/b/f the dir /a/b is a topdir for those
[01:40] <yoLo_> ok
[01:41] <David-A> yoLo_: how is your disk? did you need to boot into recovery mode?
[01:42] <yoLo_> nope
[01:42] <yoLo_> i did a fresh install of linux
[01:42] <yoLo_> everything is ok now
[01:44] <David-A> yoLo_: you probably have a program Disk Utility or similar in system settings. in that you can see the health status of the disk. (s.m.a.r.t data)
[01:45] <David-A> yoLo_: if you have not found an explanation for the "disk error" you should investigate
[01:45] <yoLo_> i will be switching to an SSD soon
[01:45] <yoLo_> i will..
[01:49] <SamwiseGamgee> How come AbiWord's help menus don't work?
[01:49] <yoLo_> David-A, so my project's directory is home/joule/project
[01:50] <yoLo_> in that case both home and paa are top dir of /project
[01:50] <yoLo_> both home and joule*
[01:53] <David-A> yoLo_: I don't know the strict definition of "top dir" for your particular application. maybe all dirs above a certain point are top dirs, or maybe not.
[01:55] <yoLo_> ok
[01:56] <SamwiseGamgee> This is what happens every time I try to open a help menu in abiword...Failed to open "/usr/share/abiword-3.0/help/en-US/interface/dialogwordcount.html".  Error when getting information for file '/usr/share/abiword-3.0/help/en-US/interface/dialogwordcount.html': No such file or directory.
[01:57] <SamwiseGamgee> Do I need to uninstall abiword, then re-install it to fix this problem, or is it something simpler than that?
[02:01] <yoLo_> probably uninstall
[02:14] <SamwiseGamgee> Is installing abiword easy?  Can I use the Ubuntu Software Center?
[02:15] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee yes and yes
[02:15] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks
[02:16] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee happy2help
[02:17] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: most things you ever need you install via the Software Center (or Synaptic or apt-get, that all use the same software sources)
[02:18] <SamwiseGamgee> Synaptic?
[02:19] <SamwiseGamgee> I wonder if the two recent problems I had with ImageMagick and then abiword are related to a bigger system problem
[02:19] <SamwiseGamgee> Could this be related to Wine?
[02:19] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: Synaptic is another user interface for package management. a little less user friendly than Software Center, but more user friendly than apt-get. You can install Synaptic via Software Center (if you want it)
[02:20] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee doubtful and we don't know what "this" is ...
[02:21] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee running apps from the command line will give useful feedback
[02:21] <SamwiseGamgee> To see what "this" was referring to, look at the previous line
[02:23] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee you do know we can't actually SEE your computer command line, right?
[02:23] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee run the command, e.g. abiword, etc.  look at the feedback for error messages
[02:24] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, yeah, using the terminal emulator?
[02:24] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee yes
[02:25] <SamwiseGamgee> What I had written about the "bigger system problem" had nothing to do with the command line
[02:25] <cfhowlett> !details
[02:27] <SamwiseGamgee> The word "abiword" is a actually a command, if I type that in the terminal?
[02:29] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: most programs are commands. type the programs name and <return> in a terminal. if you are unsure about the name, type the first few letters and then press <tab> to expand the name, or <tab><tab> to list matching names.
[02:31] <SamwiseGamgee> sorry
[02:31] <SamwiseGamgee> I accidentally exited Freenode, when I closed abiword
[02:31] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: ok, I repeat my last comment...
[02:31] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: most programs are commands. type the programs name and <return> in a terminal. if you are unsure about the name, type the first few letters and then press <tab> to expand the name, or <tab><tab> to list matching names.
[02:32] <SamwiseGamgee> I did that in the terminal and it booted up AbiWord
[02:32] <SamwiseGamgee> To my surprise, the help menu was accessible from AbiWord right after I booted from the terminal emulator
[02:33] <SamwiseGamgee> I think the problem with AbiWord is related to the panel I created....I had some other problems with that same panel before
[02:33] <SamwiseGamgee> For examples, Notes does not work on that same panel
[02:34] <SamwiseGamgee> But everything else on that panel works
[02:35] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, sorry, I was not booting up AbiWord from the panel, but from the Desktop icon I had created for AbiWord
[02:37] <SamwiseGamgee> That's weird that the help menu works when I run AbiWord from the Terminal Emulator
[02:37] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried booting up AbiWord from the main menu, and the help menus still don't work
[02:38] <SamwiseGamgee> You think I sthould still reinstall AbiWord to solve that problem?
[02:40] <SamwiseGamgee> I am still suspicious that the two problems are related....ImageMagick does not work either.
[02:41] <SamwiseGamgee> Is ImageMagick a resource hungry program known for having problems?
[02:42] <SamwiseGamgee> May be ImageMagick is an application I should never use, especially since there's a Gnome Image application that probably does the same things as ImageMagic and probably better
[02:43] <SamwiseGamgee> I forgot the name of the Gnome Image application, but smn said it's almost as good as Photoshop
[02:46] <xubuntu322> hello
[02:46] <xubuntu322> i need some help
[02:46] <SonikkuAmerica> !hi
[02:46] <cfhowlett> !ask| xubuntu322
[02:47] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: ImageMagick is for converting and processing images. Gnomes image app is called GIMP and probably more user friendly.
[02:48] <xubuntu322> i have a problem, i just installed xubuntu and i can connect to my wifi connection
[02:48] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: the problem you had before was using ImageMagick as if it were a pdf viewer. It is not.
[02:48] <SamwiseGamgee> Does ImageMagic require a lot of memory?
[02:49] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: no
[02:50] <xubuntu322> i trayed with my phone's internet and it connected but not to the home wifi, what can i do?
[02:50] <SamwiseGamgee> then why did it almost kill my PC when it tried to view a PDF?
[02:50] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: there is nothing wrong with imagemagick
[02:50] <cfhowlett> !wifi|xubuntu322
[02:50] <SamwiseGamgee> it almost froze my whole system
[02:50] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: but you should not use it as a pdf viewer. it is not.
[02:51] <SamwiseGamgee> I suppose I will have to test ImageMagick again under better circumstances
[02:52] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: no, not as a pdf viewer.
[02:52] <SamwiseGamgee> Test it, as in try using it for what it's meant for
[02:53] <xubuntu322> everyting works, the driver works and i don't know why it only fais whit the home's wifi
[02:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Is it WEP?
[02:53] <xubuntu322> i have another pc and its connected
[02:54] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: yes, to convert png to gif, jpg to gif, gif to png, such things, in a terminal, then ImageMagic is good.
[02:54] <cfhowlett> xubuntu322 is your wifi network security locked?
[02:55] <SamwiseGamgee> Why in a terminal, David-A?
[02:55] <xubuntu322> like with password?
[02:56] <SamwiseGamgee> Why can't I just run ImageMagick on its own to do all that conversion stuff?
[02:56] <cfhowlett> xubuntu322 yes
[02:56] <xubuntu322> yes offcourse
[02:56] <SamwiseGamgee> Why do I need to run it from the terminal, David-A?
[02:59] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: as far as I know, ImageMagick does not have a graphical user interface.
[03:00] <cfhowlett> exactly - it's a command line program
[03:00] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, so the only way to run ImageMagick is to execute it from the terminal?
[03:00] <cfhowlett> by definition ...
[03:01] <SamwiseGamgee> Should I go ahead with uninstalling abiword to solve my previously mentioned Help Menu problem?
[03:03] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: the benefit of being a command line program, is that you can write a script that do a bunch of image processing using ImageMagick commands. e.g to resize all images that are older than 7 days in a certain dir, or convert all jpg photos from a Canon camera to tiff and convert them to black and white.
[03:04] <SamwiseGamgee> Wow
[03:04] <SamwiseGamgee> That's better than Photoshop
[03:04] <SamwiseGamgee> Is Libre Office Writer better than AbiWord?
[03:05] <SamwiseGamgee> I just uninstalled AbiWord, and I was thinking of Installing LibreOfficeWriter instead of reinstalling AbiWord
[03:06] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: libre office has a lot more features. but maybe you only need the features in abiword. install both and try them out.
[03:06] <SamwiseGamgee> I am used to using LibreOffice from Kubuntu
[03:07] <SamwiseGamgee> Plus I had downloaded a whole bunch of cool fonts for LibreOffice when I was running Kubuntu 12.04
[03:07] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: I think you can install fonts from Software Center
[03:08] <SamwiseGamgee> That's why I was trying to use the Help files for AbiWord
[03:08] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: with linux, you never actually use the internet.
[03:08] <SamwiseGamgee> What?
[03:09] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: I mean, you don't "download" things to install. you install via a package manager (e.g. Software Center) from a software source.
[03:09] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, you mean for the Help Menus in AbiWord, you don't need the Internet?
[03:10] <SamwiseGamgee> But the software source must be from a server somewhere out there in the World Wide Web
[03:11] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: you CAN download programs, and fonts, and themes, from the internet, and install them. but most of the time, and to begin with, you find and install programs, fonts and themes, in the Software Center
[03:11] <SamwiseGamgee> I don't really care where I get the software, as long as it works and is secure
[03:12] <SamwiseGamgee> I like the Ubuntu Software Center: it is reliable and user friendly
[03:12] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: yes, you are probably right. when I install a package it must be downloaded from somewhere. never thought of that :)
[03:13] <SamwiseGamgee> It reminds me a lot of Kubuntu's Muon Software Center
[03:15] <SamwiseGamgee> I can hear my PC humming and moaning whenever I download stuff from the Internet: it's a familiar sound to anticipate good things are coming
[03:18] <SamwiseGamgee> May be abiword is better for my PC than LibreOfficeWriter, if the latter makes more demands from my CPU and needs more virtual memory?
[03:18] <holstein> try it, and see
[03:18] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: libre is in the repos..
[03:18] <SamwiseGamgee> I am looking for it in the repository right now....
[03:19] <SamwiseGamgee> it's not in there, I cannot find it
[03:19] <holstein> i mean, libreoffice is not intentionaly "light-weight".. but, its just an office suite.. any fairly modern-ish system should handle it
[03:19] <holstein> !info libreoffice
[03:19] <holstein> sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[03:20] <holstein> i would use .. "sudo apt-get uodate && sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[03:20] <SamwiseGamgee> Does LibreOffice require a lot of memory compared to AbiWord?
[03:20] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: don't you find it if you search for "libre" or "office" in Software Center?
[03:20] <SamwiseGamgee> I found some LibreOffice programs but not LibreOfficeWrite
[03:21] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no doubt, abiword is lighter.. its not offering as much functionality
[03:21] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: libreoffice is the entire suite.. it will offer to install everything
[03:21] <SamwiseGamgee> But the question is, can my PC handle LibreOffice?
[03:21] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee install it and test!  WE don't know what you computer is capable of!
[03:22] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: libreoffice is a suit containing wordprocessing, presentation, and spreadsheet
[03:22] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: the answer is, try it and see.. i say, its an office suite.. if it cant, you likely cant do much of anything
[03:22] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee sudo apt-get install libreoffice-writer
[03:22] <SamwiseGamgee> It's an old PC
[03:23] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: install it and try it..
[03:23] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee your pc.  you're in in charge.  YOU can test for yourself.
[03:23] <SamwiseGamgee> this old PC has an AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ with a processing speed of 2 Ghz
[03:23] <SamwiseGamgee> I got 466 GB hard drive
[03:24] <holstein> nothing in software is going to make your PC any newer of faster.. but, if you need more than abiword, libreoffice is a great choice
[03:24] <SamwiseGamgee> I got 1.41 GiB of RAM
[03:24] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i would run it on that.. and you should try it, and see for yourself
[03:24] <SamwiseGamgee> Yeah, if it does not work, I can just uninstall it, and use AbiWord, right?
[03:24] <David-A> right!
[03:24] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you can literaly do whatever you choose
[03:25] <holstein> have them both..
[03:25] <SamwiseGamgee> But if it's an entire Office Suite, I will have to figure out which ones I have already with xubuntu and which ones I need
[03:26] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: "need" will be up to you.. it literally wont hurt to have both..
[03:26] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: if you already have installed parts of the suit, the Software Center will know that, and only install the parts you don't have.
[03:27] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee you can install part of all libreoffice via the software center
[03:27] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: software management prevents having "cluttler" like that.. like, 2 of the same parts installed to libreoffice
[03:27] <SamwiseGamgee> that's unlikely, since xubuntu's native Office suite problably uses different programs
[03:28] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: xubuntus native "office suit" is abiword, if I remember correctly.
[03:28] <SamwiseGamgee> I am going to have to go to Wikipedia and find out one of those comparison charts of office suites to compare xubuntu's native  office suite and Kubuntu's native office suite, which is called LibreOffice
[03:29] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: why? why not just fire them up there, friend? the performance can be different for your use case and install base.. and hardware.. etc
[03:29] <SamwiseGamgee> What?
[03:29] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no doubt, abiword is *lighter*.. its not offering as much.. its physically lighter.. if you want lighter, you want it
[03:30] <holstein> if you want more features, you want something more like libreoffice
[03:30] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: it does not matter if there is another office suite installed already. install libreoffice anyway.
[03:30] <holstein> but, you should literally install both, and see for yourself what you need and how they run for you and your specific needs and use case
[03:31] <SamwiseGamgee> I have not even really tried AbiWord, only for text docs
[03:31] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: thats bascially waht abiword is for
[03:32] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: so, install both, and try both. if you find a 3rd and a 4th wordprocessor in software center, install them too.
[03:33] <holstein> yup.. stack them all up and try them..
[03:33] <SamwiseGamgee> I don't see the point in installing AbitWord again, if it can't do anything that LibreOffice cannot do
[03:34] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: stop arguing. install both.
[03:34] <SamwiseGamgee> I will look up LibreOffice Suite on Wikipedia, then probably install the full suite
[03:35] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: why?
[03:35] <SamwiseGamgee> it probably has almost everything I need
[03:35] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: why would you look it up on a wiki? why not just install the software, friend? no one here is disgagreeing that you should not install it to determine its usefulness?
[03:35] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: there is also a wordprocessor called FocusWriter. it has even less features than abiword, but it has one feature that no other wordprocessor have. so install that too, as a 3rd alternative.
[03:36] <SamwiseGamgee> what is theat one feature?
[03:36] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: better see for yourself. when you start it, put it in full screen mode.
[03:37] <SamwiseGamgee> the best Office Suite I ever used was Microsoft Office 2003:  it had absolutely everything I needed and then some
[03:37] <SamwiseGamgee> it even had a built in speech synthesizer
[03:38] <SamwiseGamgee> Wikipedia is great for reviewing applications
[03:39] <SamwiseGamgee> I always use it before I install new apps, to avoid major headaches and anticipate or avoid future problems with apps I am not familiar with
[03:40] <holstein> sure. but, its usually handy when you dont have first hand, person to person data on the subject...
[03:43] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee OR try this: install virtualbox.  install a testing distro to your box.  test apps inside the box.  your main machine will be unaffected
[03:44] <SamwiseGamgee> check this out, you'll see what I mean......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites
[03:44] <SamwiseGamgee> holy shit, cfhowlett, that's a great idea
[03:45] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: *nothing* beats first hand experience.. please watch your language
[03:45] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee I try to have one good idea every day.  seriously, though, this will answer SO many of your questions and you'll learn a lot about the OS
[03:45] <SamwiseGamgee> I should have done that virtual box thing before I installed all that wine stuff for Netflix
[03:46] <SamwiseGamgee> You got a link for the virtual box?
[03:46] <cfhowlett> !vbox|SamwiseGamgee
[03:46] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: its in the repo
[03:47] <holstein> sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[03:47] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, the free version must have some limitations
[03:47] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: heres another overwhellming wiki page you can refernce.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtualization_software
[03:47] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: a link? don't you remember what I told you: don't use the internet! use the Software Center.
[03:47] <xubuntu823> I'm interested in getting into this distro. I like xfce and debain and I'm looking for a more cutting edge experience.
[03:48] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks holstein
[03:48] <cfhowlett> xubuntu823 OK - specific question?
[03:48] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks ubottu
[03:48] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: due to licensing, some things cannot be included. the "Free" version is not "free of cost", neccessarily, but, free license-ing wise.. ubottu is a bot
[03:50] <SamwiseGamgee> oh, I guess some bots are actually helpful
[03:50] <holstein> !bot
[03:51] <SamwiseGamgee> they're turning us all into bots
[03:51] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you can use the #xubuntu-offtopic to chat :)
[03:58] <SamwiseGamgee> I uninstalled and reinsstalled AbiWord and when I executed it again, I got the same Help Menu problem as before
[04:00] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: sure.. just ask a question.. i didnt see anything from before.. try as the guest user, try starting from the terminal and see if you see error messages.. do you need the help menu?
[04:00] <SamwiseGamgee> I already said earlier that AbiWord works better from the terminal
[04:01] <SamwiseGamgee> when I enter abiword into the command terminal, it executes a better version of AbiWord where the help menu works
[04:02] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: "better" ? it should be *identical*.. whats the difference? keep in mind, im a volunteer who wasnt tracking the channel from "earlier", so, if you dont find it too inconvienient to elaborate and restate.. thanks
[04:02] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee assume that no one is scrolling back up to read what you posted an hour ago ...
[04:03] <SamwiseGamgee> If I execute AbiWord from the main menu or from the desktop Icon, the help menu does not work at all
[04:03] <SamwiseGamgee> I keep getting error messages when I try to access the help menu
[04:04] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee this is the part where you state the error message ... no psychics working today.
[04:05] <SamwiseGamgee> Failed to open "/usr/share/abiword-3.0/help/en-US/interface/dialogwordcount.html".
[04:05] <SamwiseGamgee> Error when getting information for file '/usr/share/abiword-3.0/help/en-US/interface/dialogwordcount.html': No such file or directory.
[04:08] <SamwiseGamgee> I posted the previous errors I got, before I uinstalled and reinstalled AbiWord, and they were very similar
[04:08] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: did you try as the guest user? if not, you can try just renaming ~/.abiword
[04:09] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: what im proposing is, your users config for abiword could be causing the issue.. you can test and confirm that by using another user, or removing the config..
[04:09] <SamwiseGamgee> Guest User?  That makes no sense. I am the administrator of my PC
[04:10] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i actually just explained why it makes sense.. the level of permissions, such as "administrator" is not the issue.. the issue can be, and many times is, the users configuraiton file gets corrupt
[04:10] <SamwiseGamgee> I think my PC only as one user defined when I installed xubuntu
[04:10] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee guest user account is enabled by default on ubuntu - not sure if it's present in xubuntu
[04:10] <holstein> so, the question is.. is the issue with abiword? or you users config? you can test that, as i said, by using the guest account, or removing your users config.
[04:11] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if you have no guest user, which you do, but, if you just dont want to bother.. you can rename the config file, as i suggested, and test.. or just let me know youa re not interested in my help
[04:12] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee delete or rename:    /home/.config/abisuite
[04:12] <SamwiseGamgee> What name should I use to replace it?
[04:13] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: how about abisiuteBACKUP
[04:13] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee ??? dude.  choose one.
[04:17] <SamwiseGamgee> Ok, so I put in the command terminal the following:     /home/.config/abisuiteBACKUP   ...is that right?
[04:17] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no
[04:17] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee that will NOT rename the file          nor is it a command
[04:18] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you dont need to do that in the terminal.. you can use a normal file manager.. you can use control h to show hidden directories
[04:19] <SamwiseGamgee> this is a challenging problem
[04:19] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: what is?
[04:19] <SamwiseGamgee> and I am not sure I understand the solution
[04:20] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: this is not a solution.. this is a way to help identify the problem, if there is one
[04:20] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[04:20] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee abiword creates a configuration file on launch.  that file may/may not be causing your problems.  recreating the file will test this theory.  rename or remove the file, restart abiword and test
[04:21] <SamwiseGamgee> ok
[04:36] <SamwiseGamgee> I don't understand your instructions, but I will try to follow them anyway, cfhowlett
[04:40] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee you have nautilus as a file manager, right?
[04:44] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: to rename the directory?
[04:44] <SamwiseGamgee> Never heard of Nautilus
[04:44] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee FileManager
[04:44] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee it's an app
[04:44] <SamwiseGamgee> I don't think my file manager is Nautilus
[04:45] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee Help > About        will tell you
[04:46] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee it'll be thunar or nautilus.  navigate to /home.  display hidden files/folders.  navigate to .config/abisuite.  remove or rename.  restart abiword
[04:46] <SamwiseGamgee> Help on my xubuntu does not have an "About" feature int he menu
[04:46] <SamwiseGamgee> thunar
[04:47] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: do you have a Places menu? go to the home folder there
[04:48] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee right click on Abisuite and you'll get a "rename" option
[04:49] <SamwiseGamgee> sorry, this will take some time
[04:49] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks for trying to help me, cfhowlett
[04:52] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee happy2help
[04:56] <SamwiseGamgee> Isn't it easier to test my AbiWord rproblem by usintg the guest account?
[04:57] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee yes.  that's probably why holstein suggested it.  don't understand why you haven't done so yet ...
[04:57] <SamwiseGamgee> Because I don''t know how to access my guest account, and he never told me how
[04:58] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee logout.  your login menu should display all users - including the guest account
[04:58] <SamwiseGamgee> I seen that before
[04:58] <SamwiseGamgee> But once I login as a guest, then what do I do?
[04:59] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee start abiword and test
[04:59] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, like see if the Menu help works?
[05:00] <SamwiseGamgee> I never tired the guest account before, so I don''t know what i's like, but let's say I do that, and the help menu works in AbiWord, what does that tell me about the AbiWord application?
[05:01] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee report back to this channel
[05:01] <SamwiseGamgee> You can access IRC as a guest?
[05:01] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee of course
[05:02] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, that makes it easier
[05:02] <SamwiseGamgee> But as a guest, I would have different settings, my login and passowrd would not be accessible from guest account
[05:03] <SamwiseGamgee> so, I would not be able to access this IRC channel
[05:03] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee of course you would.
[05:03] <SamwiseGamgee> I doubt I can get into IRC Freenode from the guest account
[05:03] <cfhowlett> SamwiseGamgee and you're wrong
[05:03] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, I'll try it
[05:40] <SamWiseGamgee> cfhowlett?
[05:40] <David-A> he/she fell asleep
[05:40] <SamWiseGamgee> I used the guest account
[05:41] <David-A> yes?
[05:41] <SamWiseGamgee> holstein?
[05:41] <David-A> did abiword work?
[05:41] <SamWiseGamgee> No
[05:41] <SamWiseGamgee> Yes
[05:41] <SamWiseGamgee> I mean, it worked, but I got the same prolblem as before
[05:42] <SamWiseGamgee> the Help menu still did not work, I got te same error message
[05:42] <David-A> okay, then it is not the ~/.AbiSuite file
[05:43] <SamWiseGamgee> In fact it was worse, in guest mode, because when I tried booting it form the command console, the help menu still did nont work
[05:44] <SamWiseGamgee> Also, when I was in guest mode, Wine started downloading installer files
[05:45] <SamWiseGamgee> I could not stop it, but hopefully none of that stuff got saved, because I was in guest mode
[05:45] <SamWiseGamgee> Oh yeah, it happened because I opned Firefox in guest mode
[05:46] <roger_> I have installed xubuntu-desktop on kubuntu and everything was working fine. Now cannot get past the login.  Tried all the remove .Xauthority & other stuff found through google. Nothing works. Sometimes finding reference to an Invalid MAGIC-NUMBER.  I can ssh into the computer but I can't run the desktop.  Any suggestions of where is to look or try?
[05:46] <SamWiseGamgee> David, what does that mean in terms of solving my AbiWord prolbem?
[05:49] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: I entertained myself by googling for the error message you had. No exact match but someone says creating links from where abiword thinks the help files are to where they actually are.
[05:50] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: do you want do try to do that, or can you go to the internet and read the documentation there when you need to?
[05:50] <SamWiseGamgee> How can I do that?
[05:50] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: (sorry, I am not consistent. now I talk abount actually using the internet)
[05:51] <SamWiseGamgee> Are you familiar with Logical Volume Management?
[05:52] <SamWiseGamgee> When I installed xubuntu 14.04 I enabled Logical Volume Management
[05:52] <David-A> here is help pages for abiword http://www.abisource.com/help/en-US/ but it does not say what version
[05:52] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: ^
[05:52] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: no, I don't use logical volume manager
[05:53] <SamWiseGamgee> Logical Volume Management enables taking snapshots
[05:53] <SamWiseGamgee> and it enables easier partition resizing
[05:54] <SamWiseGamgee> this sounds something like Windows' restore points
[05:54] <SamWiseGamgee> I'm guessing
[05:55] <David-A> windows restore points are backups of *some* of the files in its system.
[05:55] <SamWiseGamgee> If it is takiing snapshots of my drive or its partitions, may be there is a way to go back in time using Logical Voume Management, to restore my hard drive to a point before I installed Wine and ran into so many problems
[05:56] <David-A> a snapshot in a logical volume manager should preserve the state of *all* files within a volume.
[05:56] <SamWiseGamgee> that sounds good
[05:56] <David-A> if the volume contains the system files it is kind of a restore point
[05:57] <SamWiseGamgee> But may be it would be easier to just purge all of the .wine configuration files, as smn suggested
[05:57] <David-A> my thinking is that it is so easy to install the system, so I do not backup the system at all. I only backup /home, where my settings and documents are.
[05:58] <SamWiseGamgee> Yeah, that's hwat I was doing with Kubuntu
[05:58] <SamWiseGamgee> It was simple and easy
[05:59] <SamWiseGamgee> When I installed xubuntu recently, I did a clean install and then just copied and pasted folders from the backup of my home directory
[05:59] <David-A> with windows you dont even get an install media nowadays. windows restore points are essential in windows (and inferior)
[06:00] <SamWiseGamgee> that sucks
[06:01] <SamWiseGamgee> it was so much easier with Windows XP:  I just never used restore points and made backups of my immportant files and of my system drive
[06:03] <David-A> roger_: do you get to the login screen? can you login as guest there?
[06:03] <SamWiseGamgee> yeah, for xubuntu?
[06:04] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: you can do it too, if you want to. I was talking to roger_
[06:04] <SamWiseGamgee> Do what?  Who is Roger?
[06:06] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: you know, roger, who has a problem with xubuntu on kubuntu
[06:06] <SamWiseGamgee> I didn't really pay attention to Roger when he was here
[06:07] <David-A> is he gone? noo
[06:07] <SamWiseGamgee> his name is here
[06:09] <SamWiseGamgee> I think those guys may be right about Wine.... may be it's more trouble than it's worth
[06:10] <SamWiseGamgee> But may be if I create a virtual box or somehow isolate Wine, so if things go wrong again, I can just delete it more easily
[06:11] <SamWiseGamgee> It's no fun experimenting with new software, if the consequences are so severe
[06:12] <David-A> I have installed wine for some childrens games on another computer. Om my computer it associated .gif or something with InternetExplorer. irritating. I could re-associate file types, but simpler to uninstall wine.
[06:13] <SamWiseGamgee> the other problem with Wine is that when I was on Kubuntu, if I accidentally left clicked on an exe windows file, it would automatically install itself
[06:14] <SamWiseGamgee> Since I installed Xunbuntu I have not left clicked on such a file yet, but I suppose it's a still a real danger
[06:14] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: if you install wine, all users on your computer will have wine. but if a user then install the windows program X in wine, X is only installed for that user.
[06:16] <SamWiseGamgee> oh yeah, when I was installing Wine related stuff for Netflix, it kept giving me the option of "All users" or one user, and I kept using the all users sudo option, because it was easier
[06:16] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: you can configure wine, so that programs in it can not access any files outside C: (and maybe D:).
[06:16] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: that way, if you start an exe file, it cannot easily mess with your normal files.
[06:17] <SamWiseGamgee> I suppose if you are going to use Wine, you should have some experience with linux and know how it works
[06:18] <SamWiseGamgee> I don't think I am experienced enough with linux to use Wine properly
[06:18] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: don't let that stop you from experimenting
[06:19] <SamWiseGamgee> I like experimenting, but this stuff is getting so time consuming
[06:20] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: just take it slow, it will be faster in the end
[06:20] <SamWiseGamgee> the whole reason I was doing all the experimenting was to get an OS that is easy to use and save me time
[06:23] <SamWiseGamgee> you are so right, once you become familiar with an OS, it can be very efficient, useful and save you a lot of time, and do a lot of work for you
[06:24] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: did I say that?
[06:24] <SamWiseGamgee> I assume that's what you meant by take it slow
[06:24] <SamWiseGamgee> Gradual and incremental learning is easier
[06:24] <David-A> SamWiseGamgee: it sound intelligent, so okay, lets say I did say that :)
[06:25] <SamWiseGamgee> I did that with Windows XP and with Kubuntu 12.04 and it worked out really well
[06:26] <SamWiseGamgee> But with xubuntu, I got cocky and overconfident, and tried too many things too quickly
[06:27] <SamWiseGamgee> yeah, take it slow, I like that mantra
[06:27] <David-A> why not, trying many things quickly sounds like an intelligent strategy too.
[06:28] <SamWiseGamgee> it very rarely works for me
[06:30] <SamWiseGamgee> Never date two girls at the same time, and stay away from fast women
[06:31] <David-A> its a state of mind. when I try many things quickly, I delude myself that it worked.
[06:32] <SamWiseGamgee> Wish I knew that in high school
[06:33] <David-A> I have to go, do you take care of roger when he comes back?
[06:33] <SamWiseGamgee> I should go, too
[06:34] <David-A> okay, there are hundreds of others here, he will be okay
[06:34] <SamWiseGamgee> he's probably on another channel
[07:27] <GDK> Hallo
[08:02] <mina_> hi!
[08:02] <mina_> Anyone out there?
[08:06] <baizon> yes
[09:32] <itsMATT> Can someone give me some tips and directions of fixing the choppy framerate for the netflix-desktop app? I tried running it through Linux's native Firefox but that didn't seem to help,
[09:33] <itsMATT> I wanted to see if Chrome or Chromium would fix it but they don't support the plug in no more since 34 and 35 were released
[09:39] <itsMATT> fixed it, i think
[10:15] <roger_> EXIT
[11:27] <Guido1> is there an option to set up the brightnes from the startup on?
[12:55] <Guido1> is there an option in xubuntu to set up the brightnes from the startup on?
[12:57] <cfhowlett> guido as #xfce
[13:02] <baizon> Guido1: write a own bash script, use xbacklight and add it to autostart?
[13:02] <PCFutbol> but xbacklight doesn't work by hardware
[13:04] <Guido1> PCFutbol, cfhowlett, baizon: so there is not setup function. the only solution is writing something own. is that right?
[13:04] <PCFutbol> in my opinion the best way is modify "/sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
[13:04] <baizon> yeah youre right, thanks PCFutbol
[13:05] <PCFutbol> try two methods and choose one
[13:10] <Guido1> okee, i will do that later. not now in between as it is new for me
[15:01] <xubuntu314> Hello,  the first contact wih xubuntu. Everything is fine. Only the wifi will not work (Wireless LAN hard blocked: yes) neither "rfkill unblock" (permission denied) nor "ifconfig wlan0 up" will work. Support would be great.
[15:03] <cfhowlett> xubuntu314 permission denied?  use sudo commandgoeshere
[15:06] <xubuntu314> thanks; copy&paste "sudo commandgoeshere" -> "command not found" should i add something?
[15:07] <cfhowlett> sudo rfkill unblock
[15:09] <xubuntu314> shure, yes, i did. no error but "Hard blocked: yes" did not change
[15:10] <cfhowlett> xubuntu314 ask in #ubuntu
[15:11] <xubuntu314> ... the WLAN hard key will not work (do not not why)
[15:11] <cfhowlett> xubuntu314 I know why.
[15:12] <cfhowlett> xubuntu314 dell 1545.  hard key is f2 in windows.  after 4 years of rebooting back to windows to reset when I accidentally hit f2, I accidentally found that ctrl-f2 is the linux command. experiment with ctrl, alt and shift keys.
[15:17] <ubuntu099> Hello, I installed Xubuntu the first time. Everythings fine without the wifi. Neither "rfkill unblock" nor "ifconfig wlan0 up" will work. Support would be great.
[15:18] <cfhowlett> ubuntu099 ask #ubuntu
[15:19] <ubuntu099> no, XUBUNTU 14.04. the xubuntu webchat had given me the link to this chat.
[15:23] <cfhowlett> ubuntu099 your choice.
[15:24] <ubuntu099> yes, sure. I tried to open the new chat in a new tab, but I lost the xubuntu webchat.
[15:25] <cfhowlett> ubuntu099  ????
[15:25] <cfhowlett> this IS xubuntu chat!
[15:26] <ubuntu099> ups, I agree! too much tabs, sorry....
[15:29] <ubuntu099> Please, can you give me the link again?
[15:43] <PCFutbol> what link do you need?
[15:48] <mall> Hello , does anybody know of a good application that allows window tiling with shortcuts, much in the fashion of http://spectacleapp.com/ without the need of changing the window manager, please? thank you
[15:50] <kostex> can someone please look at this image regarding xfce panel? dual screen, multi-item launcher does not appear above icon but on left side of rightmost screen... http://www.pasteall.org/pic/73566
[15:56] <mall> I just realized I can tile windows partially using window manager settings
[16:17] <mall> I just want to connect to my website's ftp, open a file, edit it with ease while I preview the results without hitting reload like a hamster every five minutes, then saving it directly online
[16:17] <mall> I can't understand why is that so difficult to achieve or so not-desired as for being so difficult to achieve
[16:18] <mall> other than using something like panic's coda, that is
[16:18] <mall> or dreamweaver, but that is bloated imho...
[16:28] <mall> (wrong chat, sorry ^^' )
[16:41] <rymate1234> any way to have pixel perfect scrolling in firefox?
[16:47] <knome> mall, try (curl)ftpfs.
[17:31] <vern_> hi, I have a boot issue after fresh install of xubuntu 14.04: 'Kernel panic - not syncing: no init found'
[17:31] <vern_> any ideas?
[19:18] <xubuntu149> Hello, my 1st contact with Linus. I downloaded the archive "iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode" for my wifi card. But how can i install it?
[19:23] <holstein> xubuntu149: what wifi chip? you may not need to work that hard at it.
[19:25] <craigbass1976> Is there something Xubuntu doesn't like about certain solid state drives?
[19:26] <craigbass1976> I had one go lately, replaced it, and now I'm getting i/o errors again.  Wondering actually if it's a motherboard going instead.
[19:26] <holstein> craigbass1976: no.. it may seem that way, or like machines havfe a preference, but its really quite simply driver support
[19:26] <SamwiseGamgee> How do I access Logical Volume Management?
[19:27] <craigbass1976> holstein, xfce runs a bit, then the top and bottom bars disappear, then when I Ctrl Alt F1, I get the i/o errord after entering a username
[19:27] <xubuntu149> Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[19:27] <holstein> craigbass1976: i would try and isolate.. xfce wouldnt be something i would test ssd support with
[19:27] <SamwiseGamgee> I know I installed it when I installed xubuntu 14.04: Logical Volume Management (LVM), but I cannot find it anywhere on my hard drive
[19:28] <holstein> !lvm
[19:28] <SamwiseGamgee> Is anyone here familiar with Logical Volume Management (LVM)?
[19:28] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: yes.. many are.. do you have a question about it?
[19:29] <SamwiseGamgee> Can I use it to restore my whole OS to a previous state, like Windows restore points?
[19:30] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: windows restore points dont actuall do that.. what do i do? i use clonezilla.. anything that is touching the current OS can be compromised or broken
[19:30] <SamwiseGamgee> I suspect I may be right, because I know LVM takes snapshots of my drive or its partitions
[19:31] <SamwiseGamgee> No touching, just snapshots, images
[19:31] <holstein> http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm_snapshots ,but the trick is, you cant assume snapshots are being made, and that *is* touching.. but, im not interested in arguing about if your snapshots are on the same drive or not..
[19:32] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, you're saying the snapshots may be compromised if they are saved on the same drive?
[19:33] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: thats what i have said, correct.. you can always refer to the scroll back to confirm
[19:33] <holstein> when im experiementing, i just use a live CD, or virtualbox, which has easy snapshotting..
[19:34] <SamwiseGamgee> Another mistake I was making, probably, was I was just assuming xubuntu's LVM was taking snapshots for me
[19:35] <SamwiseGamgee> I suppose, I would need to ask LVM to take the snapshots and choose where to save them manually, to make sure it is workiing before I get into trouble and try to use it
[19:37] <SamwiseGamgee> Anyway, now that I know LVM is useless for me at this point, my next step is to do a clean reinstall of xubuntu, but before I do so, tell me if LVM is a good thing to have in general, before I install xubuntu again
[19:38] <SamwiseGamgee> If not, I will not include it in my next install.  If so, then, I will choose "yes" during the installation of xubuntu
[19:40] <SamwiseGamgee> Also, if I run Windows in a virtual box, will it stay isolated from xubuntu?
[19:41] <holstein> there are all kinds of articles about how a VM could theoretically access a host in many virtulization platforms
[19:41] <SamwiseGamgee> By the way, I installed LVM and I cannot find it anywhere on my hard drive
[19:41] <holstein> i mean, they can not be isolated if they are on the same LAN, and on seperate machines, if configured incorrectly..
[19:42] <SamwiseGamgee> is there a way to access LVM from the command console?
[19:42] <holstein> !lvm
[19:43] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks
[19:45] <SamwiseGamgee> Holstein, are you the one that mentioned before that it's easier to just backup your Home files and do a clean reinstall, instead of making backups?
[19:46] <poeticrpm> SamwiseGamgee, rsync makes backups super easy
[19:46] <SamwiseGamgee> ...because if that is the case, then LVM is just a waste of memory and resources
[19:47] <SamwiseGamgee> rsync for xubuntu?
[19:47] <SamwiseGamgee> You got a good link for rsync version for xubuntu?
[19:47] <poeticrpm> SamwiseGamgee, yeah why not? You cook up a simple bash script, then you just run the script to backup
[19:47] <poeticrpm> doesnt require bash skills either
[19:47] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no.. i specifically mentioned, making backups is a "good" idea, since all hard drives fail.. go ahead and plan for your drive to never power up again, like it will one day, and you will be prepared for anything, including reinstallation
[19:48] <poeticrpm> SamwiseGamgee, sudo apt-get install rsync
[19:48] <holstein> there is a gui, as well..
[19:48] <holstein> !info grsync
[19:50] <poeticrpm> indeed, that works as well
[19:51] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, so you would agree that it is wise to install LVM when i install xubuntu?
[19:51] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: i dont use lvm.. but, i dont need what it facilitates.. if i did, id use it
[19:52] <SamwiseGamgee> you use rsync instead of LVM holstein?
[19:52] <holstein> wisdom really only comes into it at that level.. using the tool thatis needed. and lvm is a good one to plan ahead for
[19:53] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: *if* im interested in a clone of the OS, i'll just use clonezilla.. i'll make copies of whatever i need as well, and store them in different locations
[19:53] <holstein> would i use LVM? sure.. if i need it, i'll use it. do i use rsync? yes when i need it..
[19:53] <SamwiseGamgee> Anyway, would I correct to say that LVM is okay to install with xubuntu, even if I am going to use nsync or another backuup program instead?
[19:54] <holstein> lvm is not necessarily a "backup program"
[19:54] <holstein> it depends on what you want to backup, and how, and how often.. what sort of overhead you are willing to deal with.. etc
[19:58] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm just looking for a simple yes or no answer.  Yes, install LVM.  No, do not install LVM.
[19:58] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: then, try it, and see if its a "yes" or "no" for you..
[19:58] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: backup is important. think about where you want it. network drive? usb-memory sticks? dvds? external harddrive?
[19:59] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: what is it for me? no.. since i dont need what it provides.. do you need what it provides? if so, say "yes" when installing
[19:59] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: cloud?
[20:00] <SamwiseGamgee> May be the more important question is, does LVM require a lot of memory and resources?  If not, then I will install it and not worry about never using it.
[20:00] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: (a techi buzzword like LVM or rsync is not by itself a backup solution)
[20:01] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: lvm is well documented.. research the overhead.. i choose not to do it, becuase i dont need what it provides, and dont want to take the hit in performance
[20:01] <SamwiseGamgee> So far, no one here has convinced me that LVM has any value whatsoever, yeah
[20:01] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: it works 'as advertised' friend. its not a backup program..
[20:01] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks holstein
[20:02] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: it may offer snapshoting, but it does other things.. like spanning volumes, etc
[20:02] <holstein> if you want, say, one larger share across 2 drives.. but, if one drive fails, thats bad..
[20:02] <SamwiseGamgee> Now what about encryption, is that also a waste of resources and memory and sth that will cause problems later, after I install xubuntu?
[20:03] <poeticrpm> my approach is to use btrfs for snapshots, and use rsync for backups. I cooked up a bash script where I just type seagatebackup and it does it all for me
[20:03] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: "waste" is a matter of opinion and use case.. if you need encryption, you use it, and take the hit in performance.. if you  dont, dont
[20:03] <SamwiseGamgee> Or is encryption a useful security feature that will not cause any problems later on?
[20:03] <poeticrpm> SamwiseGamgee, if you have important data you wouldnt want others to see if your laptop is stolen, use encryption. Im not worried about it, so I dont run encryption
[20:03] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: correct.. it doestn cause "problems".. its causes encryption
[20:04] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: do you need? or want encryption?
[20:04] <poeticrpm> its only really useful in the event a party has physical access to your drive
[20:04] <SamwiseGamgee> this is a desktop PC, so I am not worried about theft of my PC, it's highly unlikely where I live
[20:04] <holstein> i personally dont want to take the hit in resources at home for my production machine, so i dont.. now a laptop, i might.. though, i choose other ways to try and deal with theft/loss
[20:05] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if your machine was seized, for example, you may want it encrypted.. but again, these are not "yes or no" questions.. this is up to your use case
[20:05] <poeticrpm> SamwiseGamgee, encryption can also be used as containers to place important stuff in. This protects you in two ways- if someone steals your drive, they still cant read the data, and if someone has access to your computer while running, they still need your password to access the data
[20:06] <poeticrpm> assuming you dont leave the container "open" while youre away
[20:06] <SamwiseGamgee> the only reason I asked about encryption, was I thought it would somehow provided added security while connected to the Internet and when browsing the Internet, from third parties
[20:06] <poeticrpm> its even good if theoretically you got hacked, but the odds of that are slim.
[20:07] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no.. only education can provide that.. and you *need* to read about *all* of these options.. and see for yourself
[20:07] <poeticrpm> SamwiseGamgee, no, not the encryption on the installer- that is whole /home encryption- its unlocked once you boot.
[20:07] <holstein> once unencrypted, its open..
[20:08] <poeticrpm> yup :)
[20:08] <holstein> if youwant to be safe on the internet, getoff the internet..
[20:08] <SamwiseGamgee> so holstein was right, that encryption is only useful if you anticipate physical theft of your PC by a robber?
[20:08] <poeticrpm> SamwiseGamgee, what browser do you use?
[20:08] <SamwiseGamgee> Firefox
[20:09] <poeticrpm> So do I. Unfortunately, Chromium is better security wise
[20:09] <poeticrpm> SamwiseGamgee, there are extensions you can install to help with security
[20:09] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: you can research,and should, if "holstein is right".. but, yes..
[20:10] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks guys
[20:10] <poeticrpm> SamwiseGamgee, yes on the encryption part IF ITS WHOLE /HOME OR DISK encryption. If you use an encryption solution that has "containers" that arent unlocked on boot, they can protect your data as long as theyre closed
[20:10] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: folder or filesystem encryption is good if you travel with a laptop with company, that can be stolen, secrets or a desktop at home, that you suspect the police may break in and capture
[20:11] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: theres another one, from David-A ^
[20:11] <David-A> folder or filesystem encryption is not good if you have an ever so slight tendency to forget passwords
[20:11] <SamwiseGamgee> If Chromium is better, whey are you using Firefox?  Chromium is only better for security?
[20:11] <poeticrpm> absolutely, and make sure you use a unique and strong password if you go any encryption route.
[20:11] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: "better" is a matter of opinion and use case
[20:11] <poeticrpm> the password is vital
[20:13] <SamwiseGamgee> Ok, thanks.  that's enough information to help me choose how to install xubuntu now
[20:13] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: you can install both firefox and chromium
[20:13] <SamwiseGamgee> Yeah, I want to try Chromium
[20:13] <poeticrpm> SamwiseGamgee, Firefox's UI is more customizable, it uses less memory because its not multithreaded, the extensions are nowhere near as privacy invasive. Firefox can be anything you want. Chromium is more limited. However, it has a sandbox that is really good, it starts (first time) faster, and each "tab" is its own process so a rogue webpage wont take the whole browser down
[20:14] <holstein> !info chromium-browser
[20:14] <poeticrpm> I use Chromium on hardened Gentoo, but Firefox on everything else
[20:14] <SamwiseGamgee> wow, poeticrpm, thanks
[20:15] <poeticrpm> Chromium's sandbox on linux is awesome for security. holstein, does chromium have an AppArmor profile as well?
[20:15] <poeticrpm> Im on Arch atm so I cant check
[20:16] <holstein> poeticrpm: not sure.. let me see if i can figure that out..
[20:16] <poeticrpm> because if it does (and it should), that would make Chromium a pretty secure browser
[20:16] <poeticrpm> SamwiseGamgee, I know Firefox has an AppArmor profile, so definitely use it if you use Firefox
[20:19] <poeticrpm> I will say if you like dark themes and want to use something like stylish to darken the web globally, Chromium sucks. Lookup "blinding white flash Chrome". Its been 6 years and they havent fixed that bug. Firefox doesnt have that problem
[20:27] <SamwiseGamgee> poetrpm, do you think there will some day be an extension for a linux native browser to enable us to watch Netflix without using Wine or PlayOnLinux?
[20:27] <poeticrpm> SamwiseGamgee, there already is I think
[20:27] <poeticrpm> hold on
[20:28] <SamwiseGamgee> I wish
[20:28] <SamwiseGamgee> because I have had it with Wine, and too troubled with my wine problems to even consider trying PlayOnLinux
[20:29] <holstein> !netflix
[20:29] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: nothing is preventing netflix  from providing you that plugin.. ask them for it..
[20:29] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried to get the Google Chrome extensions to work to play Netflix, too, and failed over and over, so I have had it with Wine and Netflix
[20:29] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: linux is not blocking netflix support in any way
[20:30] <poeticrpm> SamwiseGamgee, PlayOnLinux is actually pretty sweet. Its easier than wine in many cases. It has scripts that allow you to install applications (where various wine hacks are done for you)
[20:30] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: no.. you have to "hack" at it a bit more than that, to make it work
[20:30] <poeticrpm> yeah, its not Linux
[20:30] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: if youwant native linux support, ask netflix.. thats who provides the windows, android, osx, ios, and other console and appliance versions..
[20:31] <SamwiseGamgee> Netflix hates Linux
[20:31] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: ?
[20:31] <holstein> SamwiseGamgee: they just dont make a plugin for desktoplinux.. i use netflix on many linux devices..
[20:32] <holstein> roku, chromebook.. sony tv.. i can hack it into my ubuntu desktop if i choose..
[20:32] <poeticrpm> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/08/pipelight-use-silverlight-in-your-linux.html
[20:32] <poeticrpm> yeah, not native
[20:32] <holstein> netflix hasnt considered it likely cost benificial to support it.. i assure you its not "hate", or "love" that will get native netflix support.. its a company..
[21:35] <SamwiseGamgee> Before I do a clean install of xubuntu onto my hard drive, do I need to format the hard drive with a Windows application using NTFS file system, to make sure I cleaned out all the Wine stuff?
[21:36] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: no. wine is just a program installed in the linux system, and all stuff you installed in wine are files in the linux system's filesystem.
[21:37] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: if all the files are gone, wine is gone.
[21:37] <SamwiseGamgee> No, I saw the wine stuff go into the C: drive as NTFS files
[21:38] <PCFutbol> no the "real" C:
[21:38] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: a part of your files are called "C:" inside wine. are you sure it was ntfs?
[21:38] <SamwiseGamgee> May be I can use Acronis or Redo Back up to see everything that is on my hard drive?
[21:38] <deshipu> check your ~/.wine/dosdevices/c:/ directory :)
[21:40] <SamwiseGamgee> What is the `d (tilda) for?
[21:40] <deshipu> it means your home directory
[21:40] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: when you install xubuntu, you will have the choice to scratch everything on the disk, or to preserve a /home if there exists one.
[21:41] <SamwiseGamgee> But I thought that when the xubuntu installation CD scratches the disk, it still does not have access to the NTFS files, because it's from a different OS
[21:41] <SamwiseGamgee> they are from a different OS
[21:41] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: what ntfs? wine do not use ntfs
[21:42] <PCFutbol> in my opinion the best and easy way is use the own installer of xubuntu that allow format the hard drive
[21:42] <SamwiseGamgee> yes, that's the problem, Wine uses NTFS, not ext4
[21:43] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, Wine does not use NTFS?  It uses FAT32?
[21:43] <deshipu> it doesn't use any file system of its own, it just keeps its files in a subdirectory i your home directory
[21:43] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh yeah, wine is a linux program, but the files it installs are NTFS, because they are windows files
[21:44] <SamwiseGamgee> is that right?
[21:44] <David-A> no
[21:44] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: you logic sucks
[21:44] <SamwiseGamgee> My logic is solid, my use of question marks is poor
[21:45] <deshipu> David-A: actually it wouldn't be so stupid for wine to use a file with a windows partitio in it, it just happens that it doesn't
[21:46] <SamwiseGamgee> Anyway, I will use Acronis or Redobackup to just look at the hard drive, then I can use the xubuntu installation CD to format the whole drive, right?
[21:46] <deshipu> SamwiseGamgee: sure
[21:46] <SamwiseGamgee> Most important, when I use the xubuntu installation CD, does it automatically format absolutely everything on the hard drive before it installs xubuntu?
[21:47] <deshipu> SamwiseGamgee: yes, if you select that option
[21:47] <SamwiseGamgee> including any windows files or partitions?
[21:47] <deshipu> SamwiseGamgee: there is also an option to install alongside existing windows installation
[21:48] <SamwiseGamgee> I want to delete, format everything having to do with Windows on this hard drive
[21:48] <PCFutbol> SamwiseGamgee: yes, you can it
[21:48] <deshipu> sure, it gives you that option
[21:49] <SamwiseGamgee> Good, and  I will check the hard drive with Acronis, before I do  clean install, then look at the hard drive again with Acronis after the install to make sure there are no windows Files on my hard drive
[21:49] <SamwiseGamgee> I only want xubuntu files on this hard drive, no Windows files
[21:50] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, you call them 'linux' files, or 'ubuntu' files?
[21:50] <SamwiseGamgee> Are do you call them "UNIX" files?
[21:52] <PCFutbol> is the first time with linux?
[21:53] <SamwiseGamgee> no
[21:53] <SamwiseGamgee> I used to use Kubuntu 12.04
[21:53] <SamwiseGamgee> Now I am using Xubuntu 14.04
[21:53] <SamwiseGamgee> But I have way more experience with Windows XP
[21:54] <SamwiseGamgee> I used Windows XP for  10 years
[21:54] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: is not Acronis a Windows program? how you gonna run that if you dont want anything windows on the disk?
[21:55] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: there are other programs you can install in xubuntu to look at the disk and its partitions
[21:55] <SamwiseGamgee> it's only a rescue CD
[21:55] <SamwiseGamgee> oh yeah, like Gnome Partition Manager?
[21:56] <SamwiseGamgee> Is that what it's called?
[21:56] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: ok, but you could use Gparted or DiskUtility instead if you want, from inside the xubuntu install
[21:56] <SamwiseGamgee> Good idea
[21:57] <SamwiseGamgee> yes, GParted-live
[21:57] <SamwiseGamgee> I have it on a CD, I could check with it before I even install Xubuntu
[21:58] <SamwiseGamgee> I am talking about a live CD, I believe it works a lot like Acronis, because the CD is its own operating system, is that what they mean by Live CD?
[21:59] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: when you install xubuntu, which I believe you have already done once, you are also running a live cd (or dvd or usb).
[22:00] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: the live cd that you are using to install xubuntu have gparted on it, so you can use that to look at the disk before you install. if you want.
[22:00] <SamwiseGamgee> The CD, once in the optical drive, runs as its own operating system, so it does not change any files unless you ask it to, right, isnn't that how live CDs work, with Acronis or GParted-live, right?
[22:01] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: right, and the xubuntu live cd.
[22:01] <SamwiseGamgee> Excellent
[22:01] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, it is called Gnome Partition Editor
[22:02] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: (but "does not change any files unless you ask" is not true for all live cds. the kapersky virus scanner live cd, for example)
[22:03] <SamwiseGamgee> What about Gnome Partition Editor, the GParted-live CD?
[22:03] <SamwiseGamgee> I have that CD
[22:03] <SamwiseGamgee> It's 133 MB
[22:03] <SamwiseGamgee> I burned it onto a CD last September (2013)
[22:03] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: yes we know you have it. what about it? then you have the gparted live cd, witn gparted, and the xubuntu live cd, with gparted. use what you want.
[22:04] <SamwiseGamgee> Good, I will examine my hard drive with the Gparted-live CD, that is safe, right?
[22:04] <PCFutbol> more easier and faster use the same disc: xubuntu disc
[22:05] <SamwiseGamgee> Actually, I would rather use the GParted-live CD, before I use the xubuntu installation CD, as long as the GpartedLive CD is safe to use on its own, is that right?
[22:07] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: I have no idea if it is safer. What are you afraid of about the xubuntu live cd? you are gonna install from it so you obviously think it is safe enough, dont you?
[22:07] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, but the GParted Live CD will not install anything, if I make a mistake, and I might learn something from using the GParted Live Cd on its own
[22:08] <SamwiseGamgee> is that right?
[22:08] <SamwiseGamgee> I think it may be a safer way to examine my hard drive, as opposed to using the xubuntu installation CD
[22:09] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: the xubuntu live cd does not install anything by default. you have to press the big install button. and after that there it is possible to abort before it is too late.
[22:09] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, I know
[22:10] <SamwiseGamgee> And the GParted Live app on the xubuntu installation CD is probably more up to date
[22:11] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: use whatever you want, but dont keep asking if not gparted live cd is better than xubuntu live cd. you already have got 2 recommendations about the latter option.
[22:11] <SamwiseGamgee> Nevertheless, my instincts tell me I should try the GParted Live CD on its own, before installing xubuntu with the xubuntu installation CD, as a learning tool and in case I have to use the Gparted Live in the future as a rescue CD
[22:12] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh yeah, may be the xubuntu installation CD can be used as a rescue CD, because the GParted Live CD is only for Partition management
[22:13] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: you can do that. and dont forget that the xubuntu live cd also will be a good rescue cd. the xubuntu live cd will have the same grub as your final install, so for grub related rescues, the xubuntu live cd would be better, I think.
[22:14] <SamwiseGamgee> wow, I could use the xubuntu installation CD right now, to purge all of the .wine configuration files, is that right, instead of reinstalling xubuntu?
[22:15] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: can you login to your current xubuntu install?
[22:15] <SamwiseGamgee> What, David-A?
[22:15] <SamwiseGamgee> I am using xubuntu 14.04 right now
[22:16] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: then you can purge all of the .wine config files right now, if you want.
[22:16] <SamwiseGamgee> How!?
[22:17] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh yeah, but I would still probably have to uinstall and reinstall FireFox and Google Chrome
[22:17] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: you can remove individual files now as you would remove individual files from a live cd, but much easier now that you are logged in.
[22:18] <SamwiseGamgee> Nevertheless, a clean install would probably be easier and safer, but what would be the command line to purge all the .wine configuration files?
[22:19] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: forget about command line. you can remove files using the file browser. the window you get when you select Home in Places menu.
[22:22] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: if I understand correctly you have been annoyed by wine and dont trust it. you want to get rid of it completely so you dont start it by mistake. right?
[22:22] <SamwiseGamgee> But I didn't just install Wine, I installed a bunch of Pipelight plugins, Silverlight, flash, caiway plugins, vizzedrgr, unity3d and plus all the changes to my browsers....yes
[22:23] <SamwiseGamgee> that's why I figure a clean isntall of xubuntu would be best
[22:23] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: yes, and "get rid of completely" includes that.
[22:24] <SamwiseGamgee> Good
[22:24] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: do you have a Places menu?
[22:25] <SamwiseGamgee> and if I ever want Netflix down the road, I need to learn more about using a virtual box and PlayOnLinux, but I don't want that for now, may be later in the winter
[22:25] <SamwiseGamgee> xubuntu has File menu
[22:26] <SamwiseGamgee> it's called File Manager
[22:26] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: File Manager is okay, it is the same as Places>Home
[22:27] <SamwiseGamgee> I installed User Agent Switchers, one for Google Chrome, and one for Firefox
[22:27] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: one thing at a time
[22:27] <David-A> SamwiseGamgee: have you opened the File Manager
[22:27] <David-A> ?
[22:28] <SamwiseGamgee> everything worked, actually, I mean the Pipelight stuff, but I ran into trouble with the Google Chrome User Agent Switcher, it's really complicated and never works
[22:29] <SamwiseGamgee> But I actually successfully ran Netflix on Firefox after all the Pipelight plugins were installed
[22:29] <SamwiseGamgee> but it was so slow and choppy, that's why I decided to run Google Chrome for Netflix


[06:37] <cpaelzer> sarnold: jamespage: didrocks: ddstreet: doko: FYI as heads up, due to the TZ changes non EU people might be an our off for the MIR meeting later today
[15:27] <cpaelzer> pre-ping for didrocks ddstreet sarnold jamespage
[15:27] <cpaelzer> no ping for do_ko who let me know he won't be available today
[15:27] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[15:27] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:27:26 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[15:27] <cpaelzer> I started this early, but no panic we all have time to show up :-)
[15:31] <didrocks> hey :)
[15:31] <cpaelzer> didrocks ddstreet sarnold jamespage hiho
[15:31] <cpaelzer> this might be one of the fastest meetings we have anyway (from my pre-checks)
[15:31] <cpaelzer> so no need to wait for everyone
[15:31] <cpaelzer> :-)
[15:32] <cpaelzer> no previous action items to check
[15:32] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[15:32] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:32] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:32] <cpaelzer> which is a) so small it fit on one screen (awesome cleanup everyone)
[15:32] <cpaelzer> and b) has no new entries that are worth to discuss
[15:32] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[15:32] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:33] <cpaelzer> which is only octavia that is discussed between jamespage and security
[15:33] <cpaelzer> Only the set back to new is odd
[15:33] <cpaelzer> jamespage: if you think with your explanations it should go back to re-review by them assign them
[15:34] <cpaelzer> I'll mark it incomplete for now as it does not seem to need a new MIR review
[15:34] <cpaelzer> done
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:34] <cpaelzer> nothing very recent
[15:35] <cpaelzer> ayatana is ok and no action needed from our POV
[15:35] <cpaelzer> and that as promised for a quick meeting brings me to
[15:35] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[15:35] <didrocks> nothing for me
[15:35] <cpaelzer> didrocks: you are the only one that showed up (probably due to this beeing the weeks with the TZ-mismatch)
[15:35] <cpaelzer> ok nothing for me either
[15:35] <sarnold> good morning
[15:35] <cpaelzer> ah here is one :-)
[15:36] <cpaelzer> anything to add sarnold?
[15:36] <didrocks> yeah, it’s the usual period of a couple of weird weeks in term of TZ :p
[15:36] <sarnold> nothing for me
[15:36] <cpaelzer> ok, then that was quick and easy
[15:36] <cpaelzer> thanks!
[15:36] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[15:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:36:48 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-03-16-15.27.moin.txt
[15:36] <didrocks> thanks a lot cpaelzer :)
[15:36] <sarnold> zounds :)
[15:36] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, didrocks :)
[15:37] <didrocks> and good morning sarnold :)
[15:38] <sarnold> thanks didrocks :) good night to you, hehe :)(
[15:41] <ddstreet> o/ sorry im late