[00:03] <Stanley00> Johnny_Giggles: maybe. but why dont you use it on a live CD. It will perform better on live CD.
[00:04] <Johnny_Giggles> you're joking... liveCDs experience horrible slowness when accessing the CD
[00:07] <Stanley00> Johnny_Giggles: then, how about live USB? ;)
[00:09] <sandra> G'day my fellow Oneiric inmates :-)
[00:10] <sandra> I trust all of you are doing well.
[00:13] <sandra> I'm relatively new to Ubuntu and would like ask if anyone is experiencing difficulties with Nautilus and with attempting to install nvidia's latest stable driver 285.05.09 video driver ?
[00:15] <sandra> As far as Nautilus goes when I attempt to select a folder or folder on another partition it nautilus box disappears and at times hangs my track pad completly .
[00:16] <sandra> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Odd thing is I don't have any of these problems under Natty.
[00:22] <Johnny_Giggles> sandra, wait a month until the bugs are fixed... :)
[00:23] <sandra> johnny_Giggles: Thank you
[00:31] <pangolin> what is the dd command to wipe clean a USB stick?
[00:37] <pangolin> Does the usb stick need to be formatted before I dd an iso to it?
[00:39] <Stanley00> pangolin: why dont you use the "USB startup disk creator"? Installed by default on Ubuntu?
[00:39] <pangolin> Stanley00: because umm no reason just want to try dd :)
[00:40] <Stanley00> pangolin: btw, dd if=/path/to/your/file.iso of=/dev/sdX , make sure the "of=" point to your USB,
[00:41] <pangolin> Stanley00: and I can leave the USB as unallocated space?
[00:42] <pangolin> right now it has no file system
[00:42] <Stanley00> pangolin: yes, dd will copy "raw" data, so you dont need to do anything with your USB
[00:42] <pangolin> ok, cool thanks for the info
[00:43] <Stanley00> pangolin: yw ;)
[01:07] <IanWizard-Cloud> Is it out yet?
[01:07] <IanWizard-Cloud> :P
[01:07] <IanWizard-Cloud> JK
[01:07] <IanWizard-Cloud> Thought I'd get things primed.
[01:10] <GTRsdk>  when booting , where it would normally show the boot logo, my monitor says "Out of Range". Is there a way to see what resolution is being used?
[01:12] <Logan_> IanWizard-Cloud: #uubntu-release-party
[01:13] <Logan_> * #ubuntu-release-party
[01:13] <IanWizard-Cloud> Logan_: oh, I thought it was always here.
[01:13] <IanWizard-Cloud> I've completely forgotten about over there, thanks Logan_ :)
[01:13] <Logan_> No problem.
[01:14] <IanWizard-Cloud> I do actually have a relevant question, that I've seen mixed results on.   What will be the default DE for desktop in 11.10?
[01:15] <jbicha> IanWizard-Cloud: what mixed results have you seen?
[01:15] <IanWizard-Cloud> jbicha: Unity, and Gnome 3
[01:15] <GTRsdk> IanWizard-Cloud: Ubuntu (Unity) and Ubuntu 2D
[01:16] <jbicha> ^ which use GNOME 3 apps and libraries, but GNOME Shell is a separate install
[01:16] <IanWizard-Cloud> I have enough problems with my system crashing on my laptop anyway though, so I try to avoid the RCs
[01:17] <IanWizard-Cloud> So Ubuntu 2D is just a "flatter" :P Unity?
[01:17] <IanWizard-Cloud> Sorry if I'm getting too off-topic for this channel.
[01:18] <GTRsdk> IanWizard-Cloud: actually, they are both similar, but 2D is more basic and uses less resources
[01:18] <IanWizard-Cloud> GTRsdk: yeah, that's what I meant.
[01:18] <GTRsdk> for the most part, the appearance is very similar
[01:19] <IanWizard-Cloud> Ok, thank you all, I look forward to it.
[01:19] <IanWizard-Cloud> Great work, and all that.
[01:21] <iszak> Is 11.10 rolled yet?
[01:21] <iszak> Just waiting for all the mirrors or something?
[01:22] <GTRsdk> iszak: there are isos
[01:22] <iszak> GTRsdk, they're deemed the stable final release yeah?
[01:22] <GTRsdk> but the release manager must release the iso to be used
[01:23] <iszak> but I can download it now and install it and that's the final release?
[01:23] <GTRsdk> iszak: not 100% stable, but stable enough for me to use right now
[01:23] <iszak> okay stable probably wasn't the right word, are they the final release?
[01:23] <pangolin> no
[01:23] <GTRsdk> it would be as close as you can get right now
[01:23] <pangolin> they are probably extrememly close to the final
[01:24] <GTRsdk> they will probably add an update or two to the final
[01:24] <pangolin> extremely*
[01:24] <iszak> alright
[01:24] <GTRsdk> there are about 40 hours between now and 11.10 release
[01:24] <iszak> guess I'll have to wait 2 days :P
[01:24] <pangolin> yup
[01:25] <GTRsdk> iszak: if you download and install, (in a perfect world) it would act like the final. But there could be some bugs, but you would get the same updates
[01:25] <iszak> well I'll be reinstall completely with wubi
[01:27] <jbicha> iszak: wubi doesn't always work as well as a regular install
[01:27] <iszak> yeah I know
[01:29] <iszak> jbicha, what are the downsides again?
[01:30] <GTRsdk> iszak: for wubi or plain 11.10?
[01:31] <iszak> wubi
[01:34] <D_Russ> hello all
[01:35] <iszak> GTRsdk, ?
[01:36] <GTRsdk> iszak: I don't know much about wubi, so I can't help you there. Sorry.
[01:38] <jbicha> iszak: I've heard several stories about upgrades failing & then the user being unable to boot into Windows or Ubuntu
[01:39] <jbicha> the scariest part for me is that I don't know of any devs that regularly use wubi so it's not as thoroughly tested
[01:41] <BlueProtoman> Anyone here know how I might get Ubuntu on my laptop working?  When I dual-boot it (opposed to Windows 7) via GRUB, I only get a blinking cursor.  I can access recovery mode (aka a shell), though.
[01:46] <GTRsdk> BlueProtoman: are the latest updates installed?
[01:47] <BlueProtoman> GTRsdk: In terms of what, exactly?
[01:47] <GTRsdk> BlueProtoman: everything up to yesterday
[01:48] <BlueProtoman> GTRsdk: Not THE latest.  Ubuntu 11.04, a modified (official) ISO with some different graphics drivers.
[01:48] <BlueProtoman> The MD5 checked out.
[01:51] <GTRsdk> BlueProtoman: I think getting a 11.10 iso would probably be the best
[01:52] <BlueProtoman> GTRsdk: But will it be able to run on my weird-ass laptop?  It's got dual GPUs, an Intel HD 3000 and a nVidia GeForce 520M.
[01:53] <GTRsdk> BlueProtoman: it probably could since Ubuntu supports a wide variety of hardware
[01:54] <BlueProtoman> GTRsdk: Well, I tried the regular 11.04 before, but got nowhere; the installer didn't even run, and the MD5 of the ISO checked out
[01:55] <GTRsdk> BlueProtoman: I think trying 11.10 and 10.04 would be best.
[01:55] <BlueProtoman> Why, were there driver regressions from 10.04?
[01:55] <BlueProtoman> As for 11.10, what changes does that make which might affect my situation?
[01:57] <BlueProtoman> GTRsdk?
[01:57] <GTRsdk> BlueProtoman: Linux Kernel 3.0 and GNOME 3.1.92 (I think)
[01:57] <BlueProtoman> And that's in 11.10.  OK, when does that come out?
[01:58] <GTRsdk> less than 40 hours from now
[02:00] <BlueProtoman> Hrm.
[02:00] <BlueProtoman> I really wanted to get Ubuntu on my new laptop ASAP.  :/
[02:00] <BlueProtoman> No one seems to be helpful.
[02:17] <famgod> http://linux-hybrid-graphics.blogspot.com/
[02:17] <famgod> google for the win
[02:19] <famgod> and you dont have a weird laptop
[02:20] <famgod> all core i's have an integrated gpu on the cpu die
[02:20] <famgod> so if you have a core i series laptop that has a dedicated chip
[02:20] <famgod> then you have dual graphics
[02:21] <famgod> blah
[02:21] <famgod> he left lol
[02:21] <zenrox> thats still killer linux for the win
[02:27] <johnjohn101> what is the hybrid graphics?
[02:27] <zenrox> looks like running an onboard gpu that is on the cpu to work in concert with a decated gpu
[03:04] <D_Russ> hello all
[03:04] <sandra> Hello D_Russ :-)
[03:05] <D_Russ> hi, snadra
[03:05] <D_Russ> anyone using 11.10 as there primary?
[03:06] <sandra> Would love to use Oneiric as my prmary but unfortunately it's not ready for prime time on my HP-HDX-18-Notebook
[03:06] <GTRsdk> D_Russ: that would be offtopic, but I am.
[03:07] <D_Russ> how is it working out GTRsdk? more stable than 11.04?
[03:07] <GTRsdk> I think it is more stable
[03:07] <D_Russ> ohh ok so whatst the offtopic chanell
[03:08] <GTRsdk> offtopic: #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:08] <D_Russ> is it any faster
[03:09] <sandra> D_Russ: it's not any faster then Natty when approaching it from day to day use for me.
[03:09] <Johnny_Giggles> What gcc and clang version are in 11.10?
[03:09] <Johnny_Giggles> 11.04 is 4.5.2 and 2.8
[03:12] <pangolin> gcc: Installed: 4:4.6.1-2ubuntu5
[03:12] <pangolin> clang: 2.9-11ubuntu1
[03:28] <sandra> lol brb Oneiric choked on me again have to reboot
[03:30] <Jordan_U> !screenshot | D_Russ
[03:45] <Roasted> did anybody lose their sound card with the recent kernel update?
[03:50] <D_Russ> jordan_U, http://imagebin.org/178600
[03:54] <Jordan_U> D_Russ: Is it only with text that you see particular issues? Have you tried changing the font rendering preferences (System Settings > Appearance > Fonts tab).
[03:55] <D_Russ> thats in inkscape
[03:55] <D_Russ> a custom font that i downloaded from the web
[03:55] <D_Russ> thats where i notice the jaggies most
[03:56] <D_Russ> mainly with fonts or when i am moving widows with wobble effects enables
[03:56] <D_Russ> enabled
[03:57] <Jordan_U> D_Russ: I don't think anti-ailiasing is enabled with compiz by default as it would be too GPU intensive, but that can be changed.
[03:58] <D_Russ> will it slow me down? i have l earned to live with it
[03:59] <Jordan_U> D_Russ: It depends on your graphics card and how many other apps you generally have that use OpenGL.
[03:59] <D_Russ> i see
[04:00] <D_Russ> how do i enable it. would like to give it a try.
[05:36] <munikar> i heard that synaptic is absent in 11.10. is it true?
[05:45] <munikar> why all silent?
[05:45] <rww> because it's sleep time for many, and your question got answered in #ubuntu-offtopic already
[05:45] <munikar> sleep time?
[05:46] <munikar> its only sleep time in the west, i'm from the east
[05:46] <rww> hence me saying "many" and not "everywhere on the planet"
[05:57] <phanindra> hi I hav updated ubuntu 11.10 beta and my ubuntu wont start
[05:58] <phanindra> the boot screen shows messages and it stops at alsa ++ emulating something
[05:59] <phanindra> I've managed to login by pressing contol+alt+f2 and logged in as root
[05:59] <phanindra> killed the process lightdm and started it again
[05:59] <phanindra> but even then it took more time to boot than earlier
[05:59] <phanindra> plz help
[06:00] <GTRsdk> phanindra: I think a daily CD would probably be better than upgrading
[06:00] <phanindra> oh bt how can i recover my data now I dont want to re-install
[06:01] <phanindra> bt I can if there's no other option
[06:01] <GTRsdk> phanindra: did you have encryption enabled?
[06:01] <phanindra> yes
[06:02] <GTRsdk> phanindra: that complicates things. Did you have the encryption key saved so you can decrypt it?
[06:02] <Girly-Girl> phanindra: If you have access to tty, you can copy the files using "cp"
[06:02] <phanindra> yes
[06:03] <phanindra> ya I can do that but is there any other way to recover my ubuntu
[06:04] <Severian> Did something change about encryption?  I almost always use encrypted filesystems and so I wonder if I should be concerned here.
[06:07] <GTRsdk> Severian: encrypted filesystems make retrieving your files a much more complicated process, and even impossible if you do not save the key
[06:08] <Severian> true, kind of.  I remember my pass phrase.  That is all you really need.
[06:09] <phanindra> shud i report this as a bug?
[06:58] <vega-> has there really been no updates for the last 5 days?
[07:16] <Stefan80> vega-: yea it because of the final release
[07:28] <GirlyGirl> vega-: There have been but not much
[07:39] <nico_> Just installed Ubuntu 11.10 and it won't boot.. is there a way to fix this?
[07:41] <Chotaz> nico_, you couldn't wait 1 day ? XD
[07:41] <th_> upgraded from 11.04?
[07:41] <th_> Chotaz: current repo state = final so quite irrelevant wether press releases are out or not :P
[07:41] <nico_> I couldn't :(
[07:42] <nico_> I did a fresh install of it
[07:42] <Chotaz> th_, thanks for the head up, I had no idea, and you just made my statement irrelevant xD
[07:42] <nico_> I want to get it working asap
[07:43] <nico_> sick of natty
[07:43] <th_> what's the problem, exactly? "won't boot" is as useful as "my car doesn't start what's wrong" =P
[07:43] <th_> any errors?
[07:44] <nico_> I start my system, and it doesn't do anything
[07:44] <nico_> black screen
[07:44] <ali1234> make sure the battery is charged
[07:44] <nico_> i ran fsck
[07:44] <th_> so you won't get even terminal?
[07:44] <nico_> an it still isn't loading
[07:44] <ali1234> how did you run fsck if it wont boot?
[07:44] <nico_> am i able to get to terminal without loading the system?
[07:44] <nico_> i went to recovery
[07:45] <ali1234> so it gets to grub then
[07:45] <th_> for starters you could check if it's X that's not starting, let it "boot" with blank screen and try if ctrl-alt-f5 gets you to terminal
[07:45] <nico_> yes I get grub fine
[07:45] <th_> try ^ that first
[07:46] <nico_> once i get to terminal what are my options
[07:46] <GirlyGirl> th_: Current repo state ... depends the kubuntu team will be upgrading all kde packages to a new version just before release
[07:47] <th_> nico_: well, for starters that'll rule out other problems
[07:47] <th_> nico_: check first if it's X or not
[07:47] <th_> checking 'dmesg' for errors and /var/X11/error.log or somesuch could help
[07:48] <GirlyGirl> nico_: If you can boot in try "sudo apt-get install -f"
[07:48] <nico_> alright, i'll try this stuff now
[07:58] <ali1234> damn i knew i should not have installed xfce
[07:58] <ali1234> now folders open with thunar under unity
[07:59] <ali1234> that's even after i removed xfce4 and did an autoremove
[07:59] <micahg> ali1234: file a bug? wfm with nautilus
[08:00] <ali1234> i'm going to have to file two
[08:03] <nico_> back, i am able to load terminal
[08:03] <nico_> i tried sudo apt-get install -f and it didn't work
[08:03] <nico_> something about a read only file system
[08:05] <nico_> x wont load
[08:09] <vlt> Hello. I want to playback an Audio CD. Can someone help me? I inserted it and now I got a new icon in the Unity bar. What to do to play it now?
[08:11] <nico_> Anyone else having issues with 11.10 not loading properly?
[08:12] <vlt> When I click on the Audio CD icon nautilus file browser opens.
[08:13] <vlt> Then? Should I open Banshee?
[08:15] <vlt> Ok, I did it. Banshee doesn't play it. Anyone successfully tried playing an Audio CD?
[08:22] <vega-> alright.. unity/compiz have now crashed three times during last few hours
[08:22] <vega-> looking good for final release!
[08:22] <vega-> sigh
[08:26] <nico_> at least you're able to get it running
[08:26] <nico_> I can't even get a login screen
[08:27] <th_> well things were getting too stable so it was time to rewrite all the desktop libs
[08:27] <th_> =P
[08:27] <th_> like nux or whatever the new toolkit for unity is
[08:29] <th_> this have been more or less stable for me with 11.10 anyway, thankfully
[08:29] <th_> =P
[08:45] <vlt> Ok, maybe playing an Audio CD is too much ... Let's try a DVD ...
[08:47] <vlt> I inserted a DVD now. What is supposed to happen?
[08:51] <holybladder> Hi folks. Got a weird one in my Oneiric (upgraded from 11.04 this morning), on two different machines (netbook and desktop): Terminal is constantly spewing "ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so' from /etc/ld.so.preload cannot be preloaded: ignored." I've googled it but only found reports of this happening when Skype or Cheese is loaded - and Cheese is working fine, if a bit choppy. Any known bugs?
[08:52] <GirlyGirl> holybladder: Graphic releated problem it seems
[08:53] <GirlyGirl> But is the system usable?
[08:54] <holybladder> It is, but seems slow even accounting for the upgrade, wondering if this constant screaming from the error is slowing things down - it seems to be happening constantly somewhere, anything I do on the command line from "ls" to a package install brings at least one of them and usually more
[08:55] <th_> sudo apt-get remove libv4l
[08:55] <th_> :p
[08:55] <holybladder> Hehe...good thought. Guess I can always reinstall it afterwards if it pooches my webcam apps, see if that fixes it...
[08:59] <popsch> touchpad-indicator doesn't work properly on oneiric (release candidate)
[09:03] <GirlyGirl> holybladder: For me on fresh install on Kubuntu ... after installing ubuntu-desktop I find gtk3 stuff really slow ... kde 4.7 however is very fast
[09:03] <GirlyGirl> I'll check for the same error
[09:04] <GirlyGirl> hmm no bt I do get different errors
[09:15] <vlt> I inserted a video DVD, clicked on the icon, nautilus opened. Then I clicked on "open video player". Now I got a message dialog that says something like "missing plugin to playback". Playing back with vlc did work. What di I need to install to make the video player (what's its name) work?
[09:16] <vlt> The video player seems to be totem, the dialog is a python process "gstreamer-codec-install"
[09:18] <vlt> I changed the default application for DVDs to "vlc". But when I click on the icon it's still totem opening complaining about missing plugins.
[09:19]  * vlt wonders who would ever be able to use an Ubuntu system.
[09:19] <Severian> I use several Ubuntu systems every day, vlt.
[09:20] <vlt> Severian: Did you try to playback an audio CD yet?
[09:20] <Severian> No, I always rip them to ogg files and play those.
[09:21] <vlt> Severian: When I click on one of the ogg files in the examples folder Banshee opens and starts to play. How to stop the music?
[09:21] <Severian> Unplug the speakers?
[09:21] <vlt> built-in
[09:22] <Severian> Banshee is popular, but I don't like it.  I like simpler programs like vlc.  I tell nautilus to use vlc to play music.
[09:22] <Severian> Banshee must have a control to stop playing, though.
[09:23] <vlt> Severian: I told nautilus to open DVDs with vlc but it still uses totem.
[09:23] <vlt> When I press it nothing happens.
[09:23] <Severian> right click on the dvd icon and say open with vlc.
[09:24] <Severian> I don't have a machine handy with a dvd drive or I would be more specific.
[09:24] <holybladder> GirlyGirl: th_: Thanks guys, got it nailed down. In case anyone else has the same problem (seems possible since I had it on two systems), it turns out libv4l has been moved from /usr/lib to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu, obviously a pointer hasn't been updated somewhere. I softlinked it back up and the error went away. System definitely seems a little faster now.
[09:24] <vlt> Severian: right click only offers "eject"
[09:26] <Severian> vlt. as I said above, I don't have a machine with a DVD drive running at the moment.  So, I can't tell you much more.
[09:28] <Severian> I am doing some fresh build of machines for charity and they only have CD drives.  I have my own DVD systems put away for a couple of days to make room.  Sorry.
[09:28] <vlt> hmmm ... release date is tomorrow?
[09:28] <Severian> So, the calendar says.
[09:29] <sebsebseb> hi
[09:31] <vlt> Now I tried to copy a CD. I opened brasero and chose "copy cd/dvd". Now I got an error message: "not all needed apps and libs installed, please manually install 'toc2cue' and 'cdrdao'".
[09:32] <vlt> I installed cdrdao but there's no toc2cue in apt.
[09:32] <vlt> Again: Who is supposed to use this?
[09:33] <Severian> cdrdao should provide it, I believe
[09:34] <vlt> After installing cdrdao I still got an error message like "binary not found". I clicked OK and now it seems as if the image is created.
[09:36] <Severian> If you run brasero from a terminal prompt, you may be able to look there and get a better error message.  But, it seems you accomplished your goal.
[09:39] <Severian> vlt, I suggest you install k3b.  It is a much better cd/dvd burning program.
[09:39] <vlt> Severian: I want to know whether Ubuntu is usable for people like my mother. So I installed 11.10 to see whether it works. I experienced so many problems by now, I don't think Ubuntu is ready.
[09:41] <iceroot> vlt: you are using a beta and are angrsy because there are problems?
[09:41] <iceroot> vlt: are you sure 11.10 is the correct one for you?
[09:41] <Severian> The systems I am setting up today are going to people with very little or no computer experience.  I give them a couple of hours of basic training and they do fine.  I am still using Natty for them and I have it boot into Gnome.  I can give you my setup info, if you want it.
[09:41] <vlt> iceroot: I checked 11.04 before and wanted to see if it got better in 11.10.
[09:42] <vlt> iceroot: When will all these problems be fixed when release date is tomorrow?
[09:43] <Lynoure> Does anyone else have weird sound problems in skype? About 3/4 of my sound just gets chopped off.
[09:43] <iceroot> vlt: no
[09:43] <iceroot> vlt: beacuse of that, dont use a new release at the release-date
[09:43] <iceroot> vlt: if you want a stbale-system use 10.04
[09:44] <Lynoure> ...I've tried with audacity and it's clearly with skype, not with microphone/recording in general
[09:44] <iceroot> vlt: if you are facing problems, create bugs (if there are no bugs about that issue)
[09:45] <GirlyGirl> vlt: Please file a bug report then to help fix it
[09:45] <vlt> iceroot, GirlyGirl: I filed a bunch of reports yesterday.
[09:45] <iceroot> vlt: good
[09:45] <GirlyGirl> vlt: If you want to "try" the final candidate iso in testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
[09:46] <iceroot> vlt: but its hart to fix all your reports until tomorrow
[09:46] <iceroot> vlt: but reporting a bug is always the best idea when facing problems
[09:46] <sebsebseb> Where are people from in here then?
[09:46] <sebsebseb> England for me
[09:46] <sebsebseb> wrong channel
[09:46] <vlt> GirlyGirl: Is this different from the version I'm running now (that says it's up to date)?
[09:46] <Severian> Dallas, Texas, here
[09:47] <iceroot> vlt: no
[09:47] <iceroot> vlt: its the same version
[09:47] <GirlyGirl> vlt: not really but you can help test it .. if you find a major issue and link a bug there it will be fixed by release
[09:49] <sebsebseb> Severian: England
[09:50] <flexxxv> hey, I just added a patch for launchpad problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/810093 . Should I change to "in progress"? and what should I do to get it in 11.10 kernel?
[09:50] <iceroot> flexxxv: no, just add the tag "patch"
[09:51] <iceroot> flexxxv: i can do it also for you if you dont know how to do
[09:51] <flexxxv> i think I can do it
[09:52] <flexxxv> so tag patch is added. now all I can do is wait?
[09:52] <iceroot> flexxxv: let me have a look
[09:53] <iceroot> flexxxv: that is not a correct patchfile
[09:54] <iceroot> flexxxv: just the diff is needed (best to create with "diff -u") also its always a good idea to name the person which was creating the patch
[09:54] <flexxxv> I named the person
[09:54] <iceroot> flexxxv: i would suggest to remove the mail-text from the patch, just post the real patch there
[09:56] <flexxxv> so i should create a diff between original samsung-laptop.c and my patched samsung-laptop.c and add this to launchpad?
[09:56] <iceroot> flexxxv: correct
[09:56] <flexxxv> how about the other patches at http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/gregkh/patches.git;a=tree ? They sound pretty usefull
[09:56] <iceroot> flexxxv: use "diff -u old-file new-file = my-patch""
[09:57] <iceroot> flexxxv: are they for the reported issue in launchpad?
[09:57] <flexxxv> no
[09:57] <iceroot> flexxxv: then dont put them to that bug-report
[09:58] <flexxxv> ok
[09:58] <flexxxv> i'll try this
[09:58] <flexxxv> wait a second ;)
[09:59] <iceroot> flexxxv: very usefull is also #ubuntu-bugs  which is a better place for something like that and general patch-questions
[09:59] <love> Hi all I have been using 11.10 for a mouth or so now and have found that it to be fantastic, so thank you all for you great work!
[09:59] <flexxxv> thx
[10:00] <love> I was also over the moon to find that the noise cancellation on my internal laptop mic was finely working and my voice sounded crystal clear!
[10:04] <love> flexxxv, :-) and thank you really I mean it I am so grateful and wish I could do more to support the open source community, but I can't code myself out of a wet paper bag and I don't have capital.
[10:04] <iceroot> love: the best support is to use the software and give feedback (bugs) on launchpad
[10:05] <flexxxv> love: I just applied a patch done by Greg Kroah-Hartman so thank him ;)
[10:05] <iceroot> love: also there are always people needed for translation
[10:06] <love> It just that after a few weeks and a few updates 11.10 becomes unusable and I have to go back to 11.04 and then I can't use my internal mic any more for things like Skype
[10:06] <love> Cool
[10:12] <flexxxv> iceroot: I just created and added the patch. would you like to take a shot look at it?
[10:14] <dr_willis>  like ntfs on a ssd drive?
[10:16] <iceroot> flexxxv: sure
[10:17] <iceroot> flexxxv: i dont know if the patch itself is ok but the steps doing in launchpad are ok
[10:18] <flexxxv> ok thx I think the patch should be right. I just used my modified samsung-laptop.c and a original file from linux source archive
[10:18] <flexxxv> so now it is waiting time?
[10:19] <iceroot> flexxxv: correct
[10:19] <iceroot> flexxxv: there should be a bot coming which is saying "because of the tag "patch" this bug will get a review soon"
[10:19] <flexxxv> iceroot: thx for help
[10:20] <iceroot> flexxxv: you are welcome
[10:31] <love> I think opensource software promotes love and well-being between all humans
[10:33] <love> Say if I run 11.10 beta 2 but uncheck the backports from the updates is there a better chance that it wont go bad on me?
[10:35] <flexxxv> love: I think there won't be any backports until realease
[10:36] <flexxxv> love: backports are ports of software from the next release (which doesn't exists yet)
[10:37] <love> flexxxv, cool so it is the normal updates that are braking things for me
[10:38] <love> flexxxv, cool thanks for clearing that up for me, I don't think that I fully understood what what they are until now
[10:39] <love> So it I enable backports in 11.04 I might get what I am looking for?
[10:40] <love> How about pre-released? is it a good idea to have that enabled?
[10:42] <flexxxv> love: You might, but take a look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty-backports/allpackages
[10:42] <love> I just did it and got nothing
[10:43] <flexxxv> there are only very few packges backportet. what do you mean with you got nothing?
[10:44] <love> I got no new packages after checking the back ports option then running "sudo apt-get update -f" and then the same but with upgrade
[10:46] <flexxxv> love: this means all packages are up to date :D I already told you that there are only a very few packages backported. the list is at this link: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty-backports/allpackages
[10:47] <love> Say I have been wondering for a while why sometimes when I run upgrade from the terminal I get nothing but when I run the Ubuntu GUI update manager I get some packages?
[10:47] <love> flexxxv, yeah thanks I was having a look at that list
[10:48] <love> I think I am just going to install 11.10 again
[10:48] <flexxxv> love: ubuntu gui also tries dist-upgrade but normally you should get all updates over cli
[10:48] <love> And hope for the best
[10:50] <love> Yar thanks for that reply, it is a real misty to me, it has only happened a few times and I have seen other people report the same thing
[10:51] <Lynoure> love: you mentioned sound problems with skype... what kind did you have?
[10:53] <love> Lynoure, It is not an issue with Skpye but more an issue with the noise cancelling of the audio driver my laptops internal microphone
[10:53] <love> And it is an issue with 11.04 but fixed in 11.10
[10:53] <Lynoure> love: ah, not then same as I have... mine eats sounds. just chops off some of it.
[10:54] <love> I was so happy when I realised this, but 11.10 keeps braking really bad after updates at the moment so I am not sure what to do
[10:55] <love> Lynoure, Ooo that doesn't sound like much fun
[11:01] <Lynoure> love: well, on the upside might be something that gets me to move off Skype to real SIP :)
[11:01] <love> Yes I wish not to use Skype any more also
[11:02] <love> In the fist place it is all closed source
[11:02] <love> And secondly it now has new owners that I would prefer to have nothing to do with if at all possible
[11:04] <siouX_> to upgrade  to 11.10 i need to change my repository? or only do `update-manager -d` ?
[11:04] <love> I wish there was an open-source client that could connect with Skype like with other messaging software
[11:05] <love> But I know that that is not possible because of the whole closed source mentality
[11:06] <love> Damn it closed source sucks!
[11:06] <love> Is beta 2 the last beta for 11.10?
[11:06] <jussi> love: for messaging there is, but you need skype installed afaik
[11:07] <jussi> (skype has a messaging api)
[11:07] <Lynoure> love: you can use kopete as skype front end, but then it's just a frontend.
[11:07] <vsync_> if apple would've bought skype, everyone would be totally fab about it, yes?
[11:07] <jussi> vsync_:  offtopic, but no.
[11:07] <love> jussi, cool but I am more thinking for voice
[11:07] <Lynoure> love: there is also open skype project but I don't konw what's the state of it.
[11:08] <vsync_> love there's an rc out I think
[11:08] <Andy80> hi all
[11:08] <love> Lynoure, well at lest that that is something (the front end that is)
[11:09] <love> vsync_, you are exiting me!
[11:09] <Lynoure> love: and other voice-over-ip things are worth trying, if your conversation partners are not somehow married to skype.
[11:09] <vega-> vsync_: no there isn't an rc
[11:10] <Andy80> every morning I boot my desktop PC with Ubuntu 11.10 it, some way, locks on boot... I can wait for minutes but nothing happens and the disks are not writing anything.... I always have to CTRL+ALT+CANC to reboot it. The second boot always goes fine. How can I understand what happens if the screen is black? (or better... is violet, Ubuntu violet)
[11:10] <mvo> siouX_: update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d will do
[11:10] <love> vega-, Oh well it was nice to fell some hope even thought it was fleeting
[11:10] <vega-> Andy80: same problem here, once on a while
[11:10] <vega-> overall, oneiric quality just sucks
[11:11] <love> vsync_, Apple are also a closed source based company
[11:11] <vsync_> vega- there is
[11:12] <love> Lynoure, Yes would love to but it's that old thing were I am talking to people running Windows and OS 10 and they want to just use Skype
[11:12] <ali1234> love: buy a n900
[11:12] <ali1234> you won't even know you are using skype
[11:12] <ali1234> best feature of that phone
[11:13] <ali1234> don't bother with linux desktop skype, it's useless
[11:13] <love> The idea of installing another piece of software to do the same thing just dosen't make scenes to them
[11:13] <Andy80> once more I strongly agree with that person that proposed a monthly release... actually software is release buggy to fit the next release and not when it's ready. Developers don't want to wait other 6 months to have their features included.... with a monthly release if it's not ready in 6 months it could be in 7 or 8. But this is another story...
[11:13] <Lynoure> ali1234: actually worked fine for me about 2 weeks back :)
[11:13] <s1> use " Ekiga " instead of Skype, and Gnu Call is coming.
[11:14] <Andy80> ali1234: or an N9 ;)
[11:14] <ali1234> i dunno if N9 has skype or not
[11:14] <love> ali1234, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not symbian! please!
[11:14] <ali1234> but if it does and it works as well as the N900, and you can find somewhere that actually sells them, then sure, get a N9
[11:14] <ali1234> love: *facepalm*
[11:15] <love> Oh sorry
[11:17] <love> That was my only Nokia experience resonantly and it left me wondering what on earth they were trying to achieve
[11:18] <Lynoure> I suspect my skype sound problems are somehow pulseaudio related. Will have to try with killed respawn-blocked pulseaudio when I get back home.
[11:18] <love> Anyway I just wanted the noise cancelling to work for my internal microphone in Ubuntu
[11:19] <howieson31> hello i have ubuntu 11.10 but my wlan stick d-link dwa-140 rev.2 is ok but only with 100kb speed any idea?
[11:19] <love> I never got too fancy with beating pulse audio into submission, I don't think it is my calling in life
[11:20] <love> Thanks all for the discussion and the suggestions
[11:37] <howieson31> can anybody help me?
[11:37] <howieson31> with my network problem
[11:42] <howieson31> hello have anybody a d-link wlan stick and the same problem
[11:42] <alvin> Andy80: If you want to know what's going on at boot, vote for bug 328881. Ubuntu hasn't had boot logging in over 4 years now I think. It would be a big help for problem solving to actually know where something goes wrong.
[11:57] <alkisg> I installed oneiric in a VM a couple of weeks ago, and in ~/.profile I see "export LANGUAGE="en_AU:en" etc. I didn't put them there.
[11:57] <alkisg> Anyone other has those? Where did they come from?
[11:58] <alkisg> They're not in /etc/skel/.profile, so why would a package mess with a user's .profile?
[11:59] <iceroot> alkisg: packages are not touching ~/.* but programs do
[11:59] <alkisg> iceroot: ok, any insights on which program put those there?
[11:59] <iceroot> alkisg: like a program for languga-support which is touching ~/.*
[12:00] <alkisg> gnome-language-support?
[12:00] <iceroot> alkisg: there are many which can do it
[12:00] <alkisg> iceroot: none *should* do it though, so I'd need to file a bug for those that do
[12:00] <alkisg> lightdm touches .dmrc, understandable
[12:00] <alkisg> But .profile?!
[12:00] <iceroot> alkisg: if you change your locales for a user, of course its touching ~/.*
[12:01] <iceroot> alkisg: there is no other place for the program to set something like that then ~/.*
[12:02] <alkisg> iceroot: so far, gdm used /var/cache/gdm/username for storing dmrc
[12:02] <iceroot> alkisg: there is no gdm in 11.10
[12:03] <alkisg> In any case, I can understand light changing my .dmrc, but not .profile
[12:03] <alkisg> OK thanks for your input, I'll try to pinpoint which package causes the problem..
[12:03] <alkisg> (and it put the wrong language there too :))
[12:03] <iceroot> alkisg: ok
[12:06] <alkisg> A newly created user doesn't have that problem
[12:06] <alkisg> Maybe it's been reported + fixed already
[12:09] <alkisg> Ah, got it, it's "gnome-control-center region"
[12:21] <iceroot> alkisg: but the program is doing that, not the package itself
[12:21] <alkisg> iceroot: yes, but I meant that programs are parts of a package, and I can't report bugs for programs; only for packages
[12:22] <iceroot> alkisg: of course
[12:22] <iceroot> alkisg: but speaking of "a package is doing that" means (for me) the pre/postinst is doing the job at the installation with apt-get
[12:23] <iceroot> alkisg: but the bug must be created against gnome-control-center-region (or whatever the package is called)
[12:23] <alkisg> iceroot: at first I thought that a package had put a script somewhere that ran at logon, that's why I used this phrase
[12:24] <iceroot> alkisg: ah ok
[12:24] <alkisg> Now that it's clear that user intervention is needed, yeah, I wouldn't use it either, you're right about that
[12:24] <alkisg> Thank you :)
[12:26] <iceroot> alkisg: will you create a bug?
[12:26] <alkisg> iceroot: it looks like it's intentional, I'll have to dig a bit more
[12:27] <alkisg> I mean, so far the user language was stored in .dmrc
[12:27] <alkisg> And LANGUAGE, LC_MESSAGES etc weren't set at the user session
[12:27] <iceroot> alkisg: ok, because i dont see a problem about changing .profile because that is also affecting the shell (and that is normally what you want)
[12:27] <alkisg> So I only had a LANG=el_GR.UTF-8 in /etc/default/locale, and that was sufficient
[12:28] <alkisg> Now if I just open that "keyboard preferences" window, and click english, then back to greek (so no change), and I close it, I get a whole lot of entries in my .profile that I don't want
[12:28] <iceroot> alkisg: like?
[12:28] <alkisg> LC_MESSAGES etc
[12:29] <iceroot> but what is wrong about that?
[12:29] <iceroot> or is also LC_ALL set?
[12:30] <alkisg> LANG (by the system), LANGUAGE, LC_MESSAGES, LC_CTYPE and LC_COLLATE by .profile
[12:30] <alkisg> So LANG=C program no longer suffices to get english text from a program
[12:30] <alkisg> I have to manually unset all those
[12:31] <iceroot> hm
[12:31] <alkisg> And the UI is a bit strange, clicking on english + back to greek, i.e. no change, shouldn't actually write anything
[12:31] <alkisg> No cancel button, nothing
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:39] <gnomefreak> my "i" look weird. it looks like it slants to the right a little
[12:39] <gnomefreak> hi BluesKaj
[12:39] <Pici> gnomefreak: perhaps thats just how the ubuntu mono font looks?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> Pici: it is, well at leasst in gnometerminal
[12:40] <gnomefreak> s/gnometerminal/gnome-terminal
[12:41] <BluesKaj> hi gnomefreak
[12:42] <Pici> I'm too used to deja vu sans mono to use any other monospace font.
[12:43] <gnomefreak> even BluesKaj "i" looks like mine :)
[12:43] <gnomefreak> i cond of like it
[12:43] <gnomefreak> kind
[12:44] <sagaci> are mere mortals like myself unable to file bugs against precise as of yet?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> there's no "I" in my nick , gnomefreak
[12:45] <BluesKaj> it's a"j"
[12:46] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: not name but your comments
[12:46] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:47] <gnomefreak> i miss my gnome-terminal system beep
[12:47] <BluesKaj> personally i don't care for the ubuntu font
[13:01] <_melvin_> HI. on 11.10 / gnome3 the gnome-terminal always show the menubar.
[13:02] <_melvin_> i tryed on a migrated user and on a new created user
[13:04] <_melvin_> second thing. sshfs freeze the gnome3 shell.
[13:20] <jbicha> _melvin_: try uninstalling indicator-applet (it was removed from the Oneiric archives anyway as it doesn't work in gnome-panel 3 yet)
[13:21] <maxb> Is anyone else noticing that dragging windows around the screen is acting very odd since yesterday's updates?
[13:22] <maxb> Windows no longer follow the movement of the mouse, but seem to lag behind it or jitter wildly around the screen
[13:25] <_melvin_> ok. i'll try that
[13:28] <gnomefreak> maxb: mine worksa fine in Unity-3D
[13:29] <gnomefreak> s/worksa/works
[13:29] <gnomefreak> crap i forgot to reboot. be back soon
[13:32] <_melvin_> jbicha, the indcator-applet isn't installed
[13:32] <_melvin_> i have upgraded gnome to 3.2 with ppa
[13:41] <gnomefreak> is there an app to catalog your book collection. (not e-books) or both in one app would be great as well
[13:43] <gnomefreak> search using "search books | less" doesnt bring up nothing that i could find. I do remember us having one just dont recall name
[13:43] <Pici> !info alexandria
[13:43] <Pici> what?
[13:43] <gnomefreak> !alexandria
[13:43]  * Pici checks
[13:43] <gnomefreak> or not
[13:43] <gnomefreak> me too
[13:43] <Lynoure> !info avidemux
[13:44] <Lynoure> Lots of things missing still.
[13:44] <gnomefreak> its clalexandria
[13:44] <Zahrada> Hi
[13:44] <gnomefreak> sorry cl-alexandria
[13:44] <Zahrada> Are the issues of the new ubuntu and the ATI drivers resolved?
[13:45] <Zahrada> If not, I'm probably going to wait a bit with upgrading tomorrow.
[13:45] <gnomefreak> well that is all about lisp
[13:45] <Ian_Corne> Not as far as I know Zahrada
[13:45] <gnomefreak> Zahrada: fglrx are still broken
[13:45] <Ian_Corne> !schedule
[13:45] <Ian_Corne> tomorow already
[13:45] <gnomefreak> i dont see fglrx being fixed long before release
[13:46] <Pici> gnomefreak: Looks like alexandria is no longer installable in debian or ubuntu, maybe upstream has fixed it by now though... there was also a general 'collections' manager too, let me see if I recall the name.
[13:46] <gnomefreak> oops release is tomorrow
[13:46] <Zahrada> exactly gnomefreak.
[13:46] <bjsnider> amd often int he past has released a fglrx update at the same moment as a new ubuntu release
[13:47] <gnomefreak> Pici: Tellico
[13:47] <Pici> gnomefreak: gcstar was what I was thinking of.
[13:48] <Pici> Which is present in 11.10
[13:48] <gnomefreak> Pici: thanks. i teest both out
[13:49] <sagaci> yay, Oct 13th here :D
[13:49] <gnomefreak> crap Tellico is kde :( so gcstar it is
[13:51] <jbicha> Pici: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639435
[13:51] <misse-> Hi, anyone know how to get compiz wallpaper plugin working? The gconf-key to disable "show desktop" in nautilus isn't there anynmore
[13:52] <Pici> jbicha: yes, fixed by removing the package.
[13:53] <gnomefreak> looks like gcstar will work great. thanks Pici
[13:53] <Pici> gnomefreak: no problem
[13:53] <gnomefreak> what is name of 12.04?
[13:54] <misse-> gnomefreak: precise pangolin iirc
[13:54] <patdk-wk> ubuntu 12.04 LTS :)
[13:55] <sagaci> patdk-wk, it might not be :)
[13:56] <patdk-wk> oh? it's going be late? ubuntu 12.05 LTS
[13:57] <sagaci> no
[13:57] <gnomefreak> should have gone with penguin the pangolin are ugly suckerrs
[13:57] <sagaci> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule -- first dot point
[13:57] <guest-qnpigD> how can I reset everything gnome on my desktop? I upgraded to oneiric and when I login, then there's no panel getting loaded.
[13:57] <guest-qnpigD> rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity
[13:57] <guest-qnpigD> this didn't help, as it still remembers some settings
[13:58] <misse-> guest-qnpigD: I guess you could try to remove .config
[13:58] <misse-> it'll remove more than just unity/gnome settings though
[13:59] <patdk-wk> well, just selectivly remove stuff in .config
[14:00] <guest-qnpigD> misse-, thanks a lot! that did it
[14:01] <sagaci> lol, here comes the "where's my banshee playlists?"
[14:04] <edgy> Hi, setfacl is working even without mounting the filesystem with acl, how come?
[14:17] <cuco> hi all, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule this should be out. Is there a new dead line? or "very soon"?
[14:19] <sagaci> it's 1:18am Oct 13th Australian time, won't be out for a while yet
[14:20] <cuco> so, upgrade to the beta now? :)
[14:20] <Pici> Or wait for it to be released later today.
[14:21] <GirlyGirl> Pici: Isn't it releasing on thursday?
[14:21] <Pici> GirlyGirl: today for large values of today.
[14:22] <sagaci> !patience
[14:22] <sagaci> wrong meaning :(
[14:23] <jbicha> Pici: like possibly-more-than-24-hours-from-now-today?
[14:23] <sagaci> true
[14:23] <GirlyGirl> Hi, in Kubuntu natty with KDE SC 4.7.1, konversation incomming messages turned the message indicator plasmoid green ... in Kubuntu oneric testing image with the 4.7.1 itself it does not any idea?
[14:23] <Pici> jbicha: I was confused and looking at sagaci's message about it being the 13th in Australia.
[14:24] <charlie-tca> The release date always refers to UTC, not anyone's local time zone. It might be Friday in Australia, but before end of day, UTC
[14:25] <sagaci> that's right
[14:25] <sagaci> are there usually any package regressions going from this cycle to the LTS, ie. syncing from debian testing rather than sid?
[14:28] <artzra> i have install "Ubuntu-Studio 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) Daily Build" i have some problem, its there slow, an some application don't open ( i have install Gnome on it )
[14:29] <sagaci> artzra, not much point installing from a daily image when the final is nearly out
[14:29] <winadmin> what is xubuntu?
[14:29] <GirlyGirl> !xubuntu | winadmin
[14:29] <artzra> sagaci, its realy cool application
[14:30] <sagaci> artzra, the final release will be even cooler :)
[14:30] <winadmin> !xubuntu
[14:31] <winadmin> !GNOME
[14:31] <winadmin> !Ubuntu
[14:31] <winadmin> !Xubuntu-Channels
[14:31] <artzra> yes but for the moment, is there a trick to add someone, its slow, compare to a 10.4+compiz+++
[14:32] <Pici> !msgthebot | winadmin
[14:32] <winadmin> !msgthebot
[14:32] <artzra> its like a mono cpu, i dont reconize my pc, because with a 10.4 +gnome3 +compiz its speeder ///
[14:33] <winadmin> !msgthebot | Pici
[14:33] <artzra> i have probably forget to add annything to change xfce to gnome ??,
[14:35] <artzra> except slow, all is here gone, (wacom, aMD/ati /print/ Maudio/) when i run a vurtualbox its more speed ??? i dont understand
[14:36] <edgy> Hi, is acl now default in kernel? it seems I don't need to mount with acl any more, no?
[14:37] <nbf> so
[14:37] <nbf> gnome 3 > unity
[14:38] <nbf> I'm testing 11.10 and I just wanted you guys to know that I hate unity
[14:38] <nbf> I think it's mainly compiz
[14:38] <nbf> compiz is so slow bloated and flaky
[14:38] <Pici> k
[14:39] <nbf> I have a pretty powerful system, intel i7 newerish nvidia gpu
[14:39] <nbf> and it has performance issues, which is really a shame
[14:39] <nbf> I don't mind the unity art or layout exactly
[14:39] <nbf> it's just the performance is so bad
[14:40] <nbf> and it gets worse when you do anything with 3d
[14:40] <nbf> like blender's performance is just abysmal in unity
[14:40] <nbf> but with gnome3 it runs fine
[14:42] <prip> hi people
[14:42] <Tixos> yea ima go with gnome3
[14:42] <prip> is there a gnome2 backport packaging for oneiric?
[14:42] <Tixos> :)
[14:42] <Tixos> yes i think so prip
[14:42] <Pici> !notunity
[14:42] <Tixos> ?^
[14:42] <Tixos> :P
[14:42] <prip> couldn't find it
[14:42] <Tixos> although
[14:42] <prip> no, that's gnome3
[14:42] <Tixos> gnome-shell just crashes my pc
[14:42] <nbf> I'm pretty sure it's not using gnome3
[14:42] <Tixos> no its no
[14:42] <prip> can't use that.
[14:42] <Tixos> gnome-panel
[14:42] <prip> nor unity
[14:42] <Tixos> is gnome2
[14:42] <nbf> or at least it's using a different window manager
[14:42] <Pici> There is no gnome2 backport.
[14:43] <nbf> mutter is much better than compiz (for me at least)
[14:43] <Tixos> nbf:  i need to access windows fast
[14:43] <prip> what's the problem with an exact gnome2 backport
[14:43] <Tixos> gnome3 + unity are both too slow
[14:43] <prip> there just isn't one?
[14:45] <prip> I'm not upgrading since maverick to avoid this disaster :'(
[14:45] <Ian_Corne> I'd go back to 10.04 rather then sit on maverick :)
[14:46] <artzra> what ubuntu can i install with Gnome + kernel 3
[14:46] <prip> it's been the best release ever for me -- not a single crash, uptimes of several months on my laptop
[14:46] <Ian_Corne> nice :)
[14:49] <nbf> Tixos: have you tried gnome 3?
[14:49] <prip> too bad there isn't a gnome2 backport. I could just reinstall, copy the /home backup, go back to work
[14:49] <prip> guess it would have been too nice.
[14:49] <nbf> I've been on gnome2/gnome classic
[14:50] <GirlyGirl> prip: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1858282
[14:50] <nbf> for similar performance erasons
[14:50] <BluesKaj> still have some root  app font issues not integrated with titlebar&toolbar fonts set as root in systemsettings (the text inside the files are fine.)..not very readable o
[14:50] <prip> oh wow, gonna try that in virtualbox first.
[14:50] <GirlyGirl> and there is always kde and xfce
[14:50] <jbicha> GNOME 2 and GNOME 3 aren't really co-installable (at least not without a huge amount of work that no one wants to do)
[14:51] <jbicha> but GNOME Fallback is basically the same as GNOME 2
[14:51] <BluesKaj> to continue , not vbery readable on a large scrn monitor
[14:51] <prip> it looks totally different, re:gnome fallback
[14:51] <prip> old tricks do not work
[14:52] <prip> can't configure time format, can't maximize windows vertically, and lots more
[14:52] <GirlyGirl> jbicha: Not really when kde4 just came out kubuntu made the 4x packages install to /opt/kde4 and it worked alongside 3x with minor changes
[14:52] <prip> gave a try to xfce too, but it's much inferior to gnome2 to me
[14:52] <jbicha> GirlyGirl: Debian doesn't care to do the work & I don't know anyone else that's bothering
[14:53] <prip> can't replicate my actual config
[14:53] <GirlyGirl> prip: what about kde?
[14:53] <prip> kde4 was a disaster like gnome3
[14:53] <prip> don't wanna deal with that either.
[14:54] <BluesKaj> hope they fix the kde root font problem before tomorrow
[14:54] <prip> and there's nothing I hate more than reconfiguring everything
[14:54] <GirlyGirl> prip: common misconception 4.0 was unstable but I assure 4.7.2 is not and performs better than gnome2 and 3
[14:55] <artzra> why with
[14:55] <GirlyGirl> No need to reconfig if you don't want to
[14:55] <BluesKaj> kde is fine otherwise prip ..dunno what your problem is but judging kde4.0 doesn't reflect it's present state of development
[14:55] <prip> well to be honest, last time I used kde was in 2004 and for a couple of days.
[14:55] <prip> can't really judge of kde
[14:56] <BluesKaj> not a very good test
[14:56] <prip> -of
[14:56] <GirlyGirl> It runs on my cousins pentium 3 600 mhz, with effects off of course
[14:57] <BluesKaj> anyway bbl
[14:57] <artzra> I justfind in my package* 386 / (i im DL a amd64)
[14:57] <prip> but it's not a performance problem, it's just that I want to lazily copy my old gnome2 config forever and ever in the future.
[15:01] <prip> a ppa of that gnome2 fork would be ideal.
[15:04] <zniavre> good afternoon
[15:11] <GirlyGirl> prip: Change is not bad sometimes, give both unity and kde a go in 11.10 , there are loads of changes
[15:12] <prip> I don't like wasting my time making myself comfortable again
[15:12] <prip> change is good if it's not imposed
[15:13] <prip> it's not that I don't like the new stuff, just want the option to use the old
[15:15] <hansg01> is oneiric delayed by 4 days?
[15:15] <prip> for example I couldn't find a way to bind F10 to open a new terminal in the 30 minutes I tried in each of unity/gnome3/xfce
[15:16] <prip> just one of the countless little things I've grown accustomed to
[15:16] <GirlyGirl> prip: Ah well for cross compatiblity it should be imposed sometimes e.g kde3 was abandoned because it relied on old technology same with gnome 2. Imagine it people remained with win 3.1
[15:17] <GirlyGirl> prip: In kde that would be System Settings > Keyboard shortcuts
[15:17] <prip> I'd rather use the old technology, seriously.
[15:17] <GirlyGirl> don't know for the rest
[15:17] <prip> unfortunately I can't delay upgrading forever because it lags everything else too
[15:20] <GirlyGirl> Yet I agree that Gnome3 shell and unity suddenly go way to far from gnome 2. Luckily (for me) kde 3 and for have a similar UI
[15:20] <GirlyGirl> Sure there is a netbook and touch interface but its optional
[15:20] <BluesKaj> i update practiaclly everyday , so the changes seem gradual , altho there are jumps and spurts it becomes part of the on going process which I guess I' used to now :)
[15:21] <bjsnider> prip, you can use lucid or maverick or natty if you want
[15:21] <prip> bjsnider: I'm using maverick in fact
[15:22] <prip> but I got an ssd and I don't have a way to directly copy my old disk to that. So I was thinking of intalling the last release
[15:23] <GirlyGirl> prip: dd should work fine
[15:23] <GirlyGirl> !dd | prip
[15:23] <prip> can't mount them together on the laptop.
[15:24] <prip> only one slot available, no adapter
[15:25] <GirlyGirl> I test out gnome-shell and unity on natty recently ... I feel both need more configurability and aren't really suited for conventional desktops and laptops ... tablets maybe
[15:26] <prip> what happens if I install natty, hold gnome2 packages, upgrade to oneiric?
[15:26] <prip> big explosion?
[15:26] <bjsnider> well, that's your view, but i think you're incorrect
[15:26] <bjsnider> very much so
[15:26] <prip> aye
[15:27] <M-n-M> can't wait for it....
[15:27] <bhush> Hello guys does the problem of blank screen after booting is solved in 11.10???
[15:28] <M-n-M> is that a problem?
[15:28] <bjsnider> what problem of blank screen after booting?
[15:28] <bhush> yes
[15:28] <bhush> ???
[15:29] <GirlyGirl> bjsnider: Personal opinion really ... windows and kde seem to follow the same idealogy ... kde has an optional touch interface coming out but the old one remains and windows 8 has to UI's metro for tablets and explorer for the rest
[15:29] <M-n-M> after a short blank, it goes directly goes to the login screen in my computer
[15:29] <GirlyGirl> M-n-M: You mean plymouth is not visible?
[15:29] <bhush> But It wont in my laptop
[15:29] <bhush> :(
[15:29] <M-n-M> whats plymouth exactly?
[15:29] <GirlyGirl> M-n-M: the splash screen
[15:30] <bjsnider> !plymouth
[15:31] <bhush> Hello guys can anyone uses beta of 11.10???
[15:31] <M-n-M> yeah, i don't see the boot screen (black for some seconds) and then it takes me directly to the login screen.
[15:32] <edgy> any one knows what acl is?
[15:32] <bhush> Do you have blank screen problem before on 11.04
[15:32] <GirlyGirl> bhush: Yes
[15:32] <GirlyGirl> bhush: No but I had on 10.04 before
[15:33] <bhush> ok
[15:33] <GirlyGirl> bhush: This worked for me http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1521634
[15:34] <bhush> :)
[15:42] <rye> hi, during upgrade of my laptop to oneiric nm stopped being able to connect to wifi and upgrade failed. Is this known to anybody?
[15:45] <c1t0s1d> Hello everyone there
[15:45] <c1t0s1d> I have a bug with tomboy, I can not synchronize with my ubuntu one accout... anybody has the same issue?
[15:45] <c1t0s1d> The bug is that the "Save" button is disabled, even if I already authorize the computer... I'm using ubuntu 11.10 updated
[15:49] <maizuddin35> is it recommended to update/upgrade from beta2 to the latest release version?
[15:50] <GirlyGirl> maizuddin35: yes its fine
[15:50] <zniavre> the side-panel of nautilus is quite thin when browsing trash but does not come back to normal size after this is known as bug ?
[15:51] <maizuddin35> GirlyGirl: thank you
[15:51] <maizuddin35> I actually a little bit confuse when using empathy as freenode/webchat...lol
[15:53] <c1t0s1d> help
[15:54] <maizuddin35> c1t0s1d: whatsup?
[15:54] <c1t0s1d> I have a bug with tomboy I can not synchronize with my ubuntu one accout, he "Save" button is disabled, even if I already authorize the computer
[15:56] <maizuddin35> c1t0s1d: you use 11.10? beta?
[15:56] <c1t0s1d> maizuddin35: 11.10 beta 1 with all the updates till now
[15:57] <maizuddin35> c1t0s1d: means that you should have the latest version ...
[15:57] <maizuddin35> oh my , well, i get the same problem, just try it ... I think , we should wait till the official version is out
[15:58] <c1t0s1d> maizuddin35: yeap. I run tomboy with debug and this is the response:
[15:58] <c1t0s1d> [DEBUG 08:55:40.341] Listening on http://localhost:8000/tomboy-web-sync/ for OAuth callback
[15:58] <c1t0s1d> [DEBUG 08:55:40.344] Building web request for URL: https://one.ubuntu.com/oauth/request/
[15:58] <c1t0s1d> [DEBUG 08:55:41.009] Response from request for auth url: oauth_token_secret=XXXXXXXXXXXXXX&oauth_token=XXXXXXXX&oauth_callback_confirmed=true
[15:58] <c1t0s1d> [DEBUG 08:55:41.011] Launching browser to authorize web sync: https://one.ubuntu.com/oauth/authorize/?oauth_token=XXXXXXXX&oauth_callback=http%3a%2f%2flocalhost%3a8000%2ftomboy-web-sync%2f
[15:59] <c1t0s1d> [DEBUG 08:55:55.004] Context request uri query section: ?oauth_token=XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX&return=https://one.ubuntu.com
[15:59] <c1t0s1d> [DEBUG 08:55:55.005] Asking server for access token based on authorization token.
[15:59] <c1t0s1d> [DEBUG 08:55:55.005] Building web request for URL: https://one.ubuntu.com/oauth/access/
[15:59] <c1t0s1d> [DEBUG 08:55:55.245] Received response from server: oauth_token_secret=XXXXXXXXXXXx&oauth_token=XXXXXXXXXXXxx
[15:59] <c1t0s1d> [DEBUG 08:55:55.245] Got access token from server
[15:59] <c1t0s1d> [DEBUG 08:55:55.245] Successfully authorized web sync
[15:59] <maizuddin35> c1t0s1d: if this goes wrong after everything update, I think you should remove and try to install it back
[15:59] <BluesKaj> !flood | c1t0s1d
[16:00] <c1t0s1d> BluesKaj: sorry for that, I'm new in this IRC world
[16:00] <h00k> c1t0s1d: please do not do that again, use pastebin instead
[16:02] <c1t0s1d> h00k: sorry :(
[16:05] <Keba> hi there :)
[16:05] <Keba> some users report the boot time has increased since 11.04 -- is the kernel the reason or did ubuntu sth?
[16:08] <charlie-tca> I found boot times dramatically lower for my own hardware
[16:13] <BluesKaj> BBL... more yard work :P
[16:17] <dotty> yard work.. is that the american equiv of "gardening"?
[16:18] <charlie-tca> sometimes, but usually it means cutting grass type of things
[16:19] <dotty> ah righto
[16:22] <User_007> Hello, apparently my laptop can't run well on GTK3 intefaces. It happens to be slow on Unity (11.10 only) and Gnome3
[16:22] <User_007> I really appreciated the Unity interface on 11.04, but it became too slow. Is there an option for getting Unity with GTK2 on 11.04?
[16:23] <User_007> I really appreciated the Unity interface on 11.04, but it became too slow. Is there an option for getting Unity with GTK2 on 11.10?
[16:25] <Trewas> User_007: no, such change would be very invasive, better just continue with 11.04 if that works better or maybe try unity-2d
[16:26] <dotty> is there a particular reason that canonical chose Qt for unity-2d over GTK?
[16:27] <User_007> Good Question
[16:27] <User_007> i wanna know too
[16:27] <dotty> "Qt has recently been praised by Canonical's Matt Zimmerman on his blog for being stable on ARM platforms as well as x86; for being cross platform; and for having a mature touch input system."
[16:28] <dotty> found that from a quick search
[16:30] <emorris> is it right that I should be having to manually modprobe b44 and b43 to get both my network cards working (b44 for wired, b43 for wireless)?
[16:32] <GirlyGirl> emorris: no
[16:33] <emorris> Well I have to... Otherwise neither show up in nm-applet
[16:36] <User_007> emorris add these modules on /etc/modules so they will load automatically
[16:37] <emorris> User_007, that is what I am doing, but on all previous releases, the wired has worked OOB, and the same with wireless once b43 installed
[16:38] <s1> has anyone noticed the slow connection on 11.10.?
[16:46] <bhush> How many hours take to release 11.10
[16:46] <bhush> ?
[16:47] <bhush> hello???
[16:55]  * h00k notes #ubuntu-release-party for fun and festivities
[16:57] <flexxxv> Hey, in my ubuntu bug report I got asked for testing with upstram kernel. I just downloaded and installed todays build, but now my system doesn't boot this new kernel. It is waiting forever for network, like in this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/856810
[17:07] <intangir> i want to get the new version, is there a release or beta or anything available already that i can start trying out?
[17:07] <intangir> i dont see any obvious links for it on the ubuntu page
[17:10] <Roasted> ubuntu-ltsp01 dhcpd: DHCPNAK on <IP_ADDRESS> to 00:0a:95:81:74:17 via eth0
[17:10] <Roasted> what happens if my syslog repeats that indefinitely
[17:11] <intangir> i found it
[17:17] <emorris> dalies: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[17:18] <naryfa> hi, does anybody know how to get adwaita icons in unity? Is it possible?
[17:19] <jbicha> naryfa: did you try System Settings>Appearance ?
[17:21] <naryfa> jbicha: yes, everything changed but the icon theme
[17:21] <naryfa> jbicha: I tried gnome-tweak-tool too, there is no adwaita theme in icons
[17:22] <jbicha> naryfa: the icon theme is simply called "gnome"
[17:23] <naryfa> jbicha: Oh, but this gnome shows just... funky old icons, not the new ones
[17:23] <jbicha> naryfa: that's it though
[17:23] <jbicha> it doesn't display well in Unity but it looks fine in GNOME Shell
[17:24] <naryfa> jbicha: I see
[17:24] <naryfa> jbicha: thank you for your help
[17:26] <maxb> OK, so where has the tool to reconfigure individual colours in a desktop theme gone in oneiric?
[17:26]  * maxb is REALLY getting tired of the growing trend in Ubuntu UI of Canonical telling me what to like
[17:28] <charlie-tca> maybe maxb should look at Xubuntu, Kubuntu, or Lubuntu for other options within the Ubuntu family?
[17:28] <maxb> maybe so
[17:29] <maxb> though the point that Canonical is driving people away from the flagship product still needs to be made
[17:29] <charlie-tca> If you never used it before, you would not be upset at the changes
[17:30] <maxb> No - then I'd never know what I was missing
[17:30] <bjsnider> you can configure more in ubuntu than you can in osx
[17:31] <silverlightning> hi
[17:31] <silverlightning> any news about the latest builds ?
[17:32] <silverlightning> I'm on the install from last night, and it works
[17:32] <aftertaf> i cant run update-manager -d successfully : it sees oneiric but bugs out after I enter my sud password
[17:32] <aftertaf> i could sed -i my sources.list but i almways have to deal with breakage that way . . . .
[17:33] <silverlightning> it did that with me to
[17:33] <silverlightning> aftertaf:
[17:33] <aftertaf> so you did it the 'normal' way ? :)
[17:33] <silverlightning> hmm, still package manager issues?
[17:34] <silverlightning> or apt get
[17:34] <silverlightning> I made a new burn, and installed yesterdays build, and it has worked
[17:34] <aftertaf> clean install, or upgrade from media ?
[17:35] <silverlightning> neither package manager or update worked on previous install
[17:35] <silverlightning> clean install yesterday
[17:35] <silverlightning> and it works
[17:35] <silverlightning> clean install on both oneric attempts
[17:35] <charlie-tca> a satisfied user?
[17:36] <silverlightning> yes, this one works
[17:36] <aftertaf> clean installs . . .   true it always pukes in the end and it better starting afresh
[17:36] <silverlightning> I hope it continues to behave
[17:36] <aftertaf> im gonna sed my sources >:-]
[17:38] <aftertaf> -- failed to retrieve property `gtk-button-images' of type `gboolean' from rc file value "((GString*) 0x156dc60)" of type `gboolean'
[17:38] <aftertaf> running kde, dammit !
[17:39] <aftertaf> ha, its working
[17:39] <aftertaf> kdesudo 'update-manager -d'
[17:39] <aftertaf> otherwise it buged out after the getting 2/2 files for upgrade
[17:39] <silverlightning> sounds tricky
[17:40] <silverlightning> I'm in lubuntu
[17:40] <aftertaf> and on 11.10 so moot for you now ;)
[17:40] <silverlightning> well, 11.10 too ofcourse
[17:42] <martyn> Oneieric + Multi-Monitor + nVidia : The non-login screen always ends up displaying garbage, rather than a blank screen or a copy of the background of the login screen.  I can't find the issue in Launchpad .. is there a known issue?
[17:42] <aftertaf> and i'm 2594 files away from an upgrade
[17:43] <martyn> Also, how do I enable Gnome3 desktop, rather than "living with" unity?
[17:44] <trism> martyn: install gnome-shell (also gnome-panel if you want fallback too)
[17:44] <Martyn> okay, thanks
[17:45] <Martyn> Erf .. 31 packages :)
[17:45] <Martyn> thanks :)  I really, really did try to "live with" unity,  but it's driving me bonkers
[17:46] <Martyn> I *hate* searching for applications.
[17:47] <aftertaf> unity isnt for everyone :)
[17:49] <patdk-wk> heh, I couldn't live with unity or gnome-shell
[17:50] <Martyn> patd : What's your preferred poison?
[17:51] <aftertaf> mine has a k in front.... been that way since my first mandrake
[17:51] <patdk-wk> I use gnome-panel
[17:51] <patdk-wk> aftertaf, I never liked kde
[17:52] <silverlightning> anyone clever with plugins?
[17:52] <patdk-wk> I probably used it too soon :)
[17:52] <silverlightning> which plugins are usually for live media transfer in browser?
[17:52] <silverlightning> like this feks http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventid=23173131
[17:54] <silverlightning> is it flash in some way?
[17:54] <phibxr> Isn't 11.10 even mentioned on the start page of ubuntu.com?
[17:54] <patdk-wk> silverlightning, probably totem or vlc
[17:54] <silverlightning> audacious cant manage it
[17:54] <silverlightning> i have mplayer
[17:54] <silverlightning> as default in lubuntu
[17:55] <patdk-wk> it works for me, and I have vlc plugin, vlc plugin(totem compat) and windows media player plugin (totem)
[17:55] <silverlightning> vlc will mess up the gecko setup
[17:55] <silverlightning> hmm
[17:55] <patdk-wk> gecko?
[17:55] <silverlightning> yes, mplayer plugin for browser
[17:55] <aftertaf> phibxr: its not out yet, so no
[17:55] <patdk-wk> I have no mplayer :)
[17:56] <aftertaf> mplayer is the best, with xine
[17:56] <patdk-wk> hmm, well, mplayer fails to play most of my videos
[17:56] <patdk-wk> and I never used xine
[17:57] <silverlightning> mplayer has worked pretty well here
[17:57] <aftertaf> me too, for years
[17:57] <aftertaf> patdk-wk: maybe you're missing codecs . . .?
[17:57] <silverlightning> I think it is about plugins and addons
[17:57] <patdk-wk> aftertaf, unlikely
[17:58] <aftertaf> well, we're all on lnux and we all use different things : thats why its great
[17:58] <yofel> someone uses xine these days?
[17:59] <aftertaf> me sometimes
[17:59] <patdk-wk> I can't remember the exact issues with mplayer, but my home desktop defaults to mplayer still, and I forget sometimes and use it
[17:59] <aftertaf> i dont like the new, simple tools
[17:59]  * yofel uses smplayer
[17:59] <patdk-wk> I think I am missing subtitles when using mplayer or something
[18:00] <patdk-wk> guess I need to be at that machine and try it to remember exactly :)
[18:00] <aftertaf> mostly i stick it on my freebox NAS and watch via the TV - so much better that the TV Out and a 10 mtr cable :)
[18:01] <aftertaf> (feels old)
[18:01] <patdk-wk> aftertaf, same here :)
[18:01] <patdk-wk> but I use a 15m cable, and bluetooth remote :)
[18:08] <shishire> Is Oneiric an LTS?  Or is that not for another year?
[18:08] <patdk-wk> atlesat 6months away
[18:09] <shishire> patdk-wk: thanks.
[18:09] <phibxr> shishire, i think next is 12.04.
[18:10] <thoeger> Hi folks - Unity doesn't seem to obey my Compiz settings. It does, though, if I restart compiz by "compiz --replace". For example, Screen edges set for activating desktop wall expose etc only get to work when I restart compiz. Known problem? Is some unity startup script overriding my settings?
[18:12] <NoelJB> thoeger, I've also seen issues restarting compiz.  You might try #ubuntu-desktop
[18:12] <NoelJB> shishire, LTS is 12.04
[18:13] <thoeger> NoelJB, I'm not sure I understand you, what do you mean issues restarting compiz?
[18:14] <NoelJB> thoeger, it doesn't always actually come back up properly when I do.  I've had various stability issues with oneiric, but am hoping that a clean install after tomorrow will resolve them.
[18:15] <FernandoMiguel> hi
[18:15] <thoeger> NoelJB, I've had quitea lot of issues with Oneiric too
[18:16] <thoeger> This was just one of them,and a minor one at that. Not like the day my networking libraries were eaten. Or when I could only get Unity2d to work after and upgrade. Or... ;-)
[18:28] <GRMrGecko> Hello, we are having problems with ubuntu freezing. I am told that you can switch between work spaces, but not windows or applications.
[18:29] <GRMrGecko> I am using the prelease updates so maybe downgrading would help?
[18:33] <Girly-Girl> GRMrGecko: downgrading will not help
[18:33] <Girly-Girl> GRMrGecko: maybe different graphic drivers
[18:33] <edgy> Hi, how am I suppose to remove an installed kernel, let's say linux-image-3.0.0-11-generic with software center? with synaptics it's very easy
[18:34] <GRMrGecko> Girly-Girl: Apparently I was mislead to join this room. They thought I had 11.10 when I have 11.04
[18:34] <howdy> HEllo I don't know if this is issue bug or what, i have install ubuntu 11.10 x64 bit on my asus laptop and I see adobe flash player is running pretty slow on my browser when I try to play games like Haxball or some, looks like low fps, or latency in  the flash
[18:34] <howdy> any ideas ?
[18:35] <scorinitron> Hey guys...I just heard that the 11.10 update is out...is it worth it
[18:35] <scorinitron> I'm on 10.04
[18:35] <edgy> scorinitron: sure
[18:35] <scorinitron> Been using ubuntu for 5 months and I'm just learning the terminal...still a noob
[18:36] <scorinitron> edgy, what changed?
[18:36] <BrickBag> quick Q, final is tomorrow and no RC as-of-yet?
[18:36] <edgy> scorinitron: lots of changes, e.g now the default desktop is unity
[18:37] <scorinitron> Unity? ....I'm not sure if that's a good thing...
[18:37] <howdy> BrickBag: RC was released as and updates and daily cds not an official
[18:37] <scorinitron> I tried 11.04 but IDK
[18:37] <BrickBag> howdy: thanks (I was installing from netinst anyway, just curious)
[18:37] <howdy> scorinitron: Try Kubuntu 11.10  and Ubuntu 11.10 as live cd and it will help you to choose
[18:37] <scorinitron> What is 11.10 called?
[18:38] <howdy> Oneiric Ocelot
[18:38] <intangir> i tried to set some shortcuts for terminal, and browser, but they arent working Mod4+T keeps opening trash, and Mod4+F keeps opening the dash menu instead of browser (that i set)
[18:38] <scorinitron> cool I'll check it out
[18:39] <scorinitron> I was looking for some material to learn how to use the terminal...
[18:39] <howdy> scorinitron: I liked Kubuntu more as it was working better for me, asus touchpad and acpi keys was working all fine while in ubuntu big failure :)
[18:40] <scorinitron> cool XD
[18:40] <howdy> but still As a big fan of gnome using ubuntu 11.10 for now, but getting pissed of because of slow FLash Player dunno if its only for me
[18:40] <scorinitron> I'm using ubuntu on a custom desktop
[18:40] <scorinitron> I hope 11.10 is worth it
[18:41] <rye> intangir, Ctrl+Alt+T
[18:41] <intangir> how can i get multiple monitors to work? im using nvidia video card
[18:42] <intangir> rye: i changed it to mod4+t, but it doesnt work
[18:42] <intangir> keeps opening trash
[18:42] <rye> ^ intangir that's how terminal is invoked, hm.. i think mod4+t is fixed to trash
[18:42] <intangir> its hardcoded?
[18:48] <intangir> wow i am really not impressed with this new version
[18:48] <intangir> its so freaking buggy im amazed anyone can even use it
[18:49] <intangir> it doesnt support multiple monitors, doesnt support hotkeys, has a bunch of weird graphical glitches near where that stupid menu pops up
[18:49] <intangir> its slow as hell...
[18:49] <intangir> and once against theyve rearanged the window buttons
[18:49] <intangir> i guess ill go back to unstable linux mint....
[18:49] <intangir> damn what the hell happened to linux, ubuntu used to rule now they efed everything up
[19:45] <graft> anyone else having problems with SSH lately?
[19:45] <graft> like, timeouts, broken pipes, etc.? specially when doing file transfers?
[19:46] <Azelphur> graft: nope, and I've been transferring 100's of GB of data over ssh recently
[19:47] <graft> man, i can't even push 10M of stuff to github without my pipe dying
[19:47] <h00k> graft: it may be an issue with connectivity, perhaps an ISP issue
[19:48] <esteeven> hello. I am trying 11.10 beta. I have installed it but on reboot I can't get to the grub to add "nomodeset." Esc does nothing when I have the purple (ish) bootloader screen
[19:48] <graft> h00k: possible... how do i diagnose something like that?
[19:48] <h00k> graft: install 'mtr' and run it to the host you're tranferring it to
[19:49] <yofel> esteeven: you need to hold left shift pressed before the boot splash comes up to get to grub
[19:49] <h00k> graft: I actually wrote up a post about it, it helped me diagnose a few issues, hang a second
[19:49] <esteeven> yofel, trying now. thanks
[19:49] <h00k> graft: http://goo.gl/cB16i
[19:50] <graft> h00k: gah... 85% packet loss to github.com! i guess it is a connectivity issue
[19:51] <graft> h00k: sweet, thanks!
[19:51] <h00k> graft: github may be having issues, let it go for a while
[19:51] <graft> h00k: it's been a week
[19:51] <h00k> graft: are you losing packets on any of the other hops inbetween?
[19:55] <esteeven> yofel, yippeeee. I am in. Thanks.
[19:55] <graft> h00k: not really... what's the difference between mtr's packet loss report and ping's?
[19:57] <M-n-M> its already october 13 here.. :)
[19:59] <esteeven> ?? where is /boot/grub/menu.lst???
[19:59] <bjsnider> MnM, you mean the earth is round? i am shocked
[20:00] <genii-around> esteeven: Grub2 does not have menu.lst
[20:00] <charlie-tca> esteeven: in the old grub1
[20:00] <yofel_> !grub2 | esteeven
[20:01] <ActionParsnip> I thought menu.lst was long forgotten
[20:01] <esteeven> ActionParsnip, not on my other boxes. :)
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> Grub1 is no longer supported in most places.
[20:02] <yofel_> it is in hardy
[20:02] <SetiAmon> whens 11.10 being released pst?
[20:02] <esteeven> So where would I append "nomodeset" to grub2?
[20:02] <h00k> graft: you can do nicer reporting or see where things down the line are getting lost
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> SetiAmon: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[20:02] <h00k> graft: see that link I sent you, about the metrics and things you can check
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> SetiAmon: its in the channel motd....
[20:02] <yofel_> esteeven: read the wiki page, but in short, edit /etc/default/grub
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> esteeven: /etc/default/grub      in the quotes with:  quiet splash
[20:03] <h00k> graft: with ping, you know it didn't make it to the end of the line.  With mtr, it continuously tracerouts so you can see where down the line they're getting lost.
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> esteeven: save the new file then run:  sudo update-grub
[20:03] <BrickBag> where can I edit my fonts, and where can I set the workspaces to wrap around?
[20:04] <ActionParsnip> !fonts
[20:05] <BrickBag> I want to ALTER my desktop fonts.. which menu item should I use?\
[20:05] <BrickBag> the appearence menu lacks somewhat
[20:06] <esteeven> yofel, ActionParsnip : thanks a lot. goodbye grub and hello grub2.
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> esteeven: np man, grub2 is weird but is great if you can tame it
[20:08] <esteeven> ActionParsnip, I have been tearing my hair out with Daily Builds thinking the problem was with the install of Grub. Now I know I was looking in the wrong place.
[20:08] <ActionParsnip> esteeven: every day is a school day
[20:09] <esteeven> ActionParsnip, yep.
[20:11] <phibxr> "The Unity interface resembles a tile system. Unity lacks Alt/Tab window switching functionality. Instead you navigate by clicking large thumbnails of running apps." <- What on earth is linuxinsider.com talking about?  Can I still use CCSM for all the compiz options? or doenst unity use compiz?
[20:25] <trism> BrickBag: unity still uses compiz, but I haven't really messed with ccsm much this cycle.   Don't even bother.  Either go with Unity or switch to KDE.  There is nothing redeemable about Gnome 3.
[20:32] <NoelJB> trism, ccsm works, but I've had some issues.  On the other hand, I can't point the finger at ccsm, because nothing has been stable for me regarding Unity or Oneiric.  I'm going to do a clean reinstall to see if the problems go away.
[20:32] <bjsnider> pardon me?
[20:34] <NoelJB> phibxr, not true.  ALT-TAB works fine with Unity.  Unity in no way resembles a tile system; at least not Desktop Unity.
[20:34] <phibxr> NoelJB, yes, those were not my words, but a quote from that review. :P
[20:34] <NoelJB> bjsnider, to whom were you addressing that?
[20:34] <NoelJB> phibxr, :-)
[20:34] <phibxr> NoelJB, I'm already using 11.10, so I know very well that alt-tab works great. :D
[20:35] <phibxr> NoelJB, no idea what that person was using. not ubuntu at least. :P
[20:35] <NoelJB> phibxr, maybe they had a netbook?
[20:35] <bjsnider> NoelJB, your outrageous diatribe
[20:35] <phibxr> NoelJB, you wouldn't be able to use alt+tab on a netbook? i'm running it on a 13" at the moment.
[20:36] <NoelJB> bjsnider, lets be clear, when I say that Gnome 3 sucks, I mean Gnome Shell.  And that is a very considered opinion having worked with the load of manure.
[20:37] <bjsnider> it was clear
[20:37] <NoelJB> bjsnider, I vastly prefer Gnome 2, but if I am forced to upgrade, Unity is a much better path (as much as I don't particularly like Unity, so far).
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> BrickBag: unity is a plugin for unity....
[20:38] <NoelJB> bjsnider, I don't know anyone who likes it as a replacement, and certainly Canonical put their money where their opinion is.
[20:38] <bjsnider> there's not that big a difference between unity and gnome-shell
[20:38] <NoelJB> bjsnider, sure there is.
[20:39] <bjsnider> with a few extensions you could almost make gnome-shell ape unity
[20:39] <ActionParsnip> NoelJB: there is a fork of Gnome2 called 'mate'
[20:39] <NoelJB> bjsnider, sure, if I want to write JavaScript.
[20:39] <NoelJB> I prefer to write Python extensions for Unity, of the choices.
[20:40] <ActionParsnip> Just use LXDE and allis well :)
[20:40] <NoelJB> And I'm still on the fence about staying with Unity or just moving to KDE.
[20:40] <BrickBag> dammit, i love gnome 2. dont like unity. starting to hate gnome 3 and loath kde.....
[20:40] <BrickBag> brr
[20:40] <NoelJB> For my Fedora partition, I'll move to KDE, since their only alternative is Gnome (3) Shell.
[20:40] <bjsnider> there's a small minority that thinks gnome 2 achieved total perfection and cannot be improved upon
[20:41] <BrickBag> i wouldnt say total perfection, just logical
[20:41] <NoelJB> Gnome 2 can be improved upon greatly, but Gnome Shell isn't the answer.  And breaking every line of code ever written ...
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> BrickBag: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/08/gnome-2-forked/
[20:41] <NoelJB> for Gnome, in case context wasn't clear.
[20:42] <NoelJB> Unity, at least, I can reasonably easily port Gnome Applets to the Indicator API, and not have to re-write everything in JS.
[20:42] <BrickBag> ActionParsnip: i'll look into it.. have to learn a new desktop trick soon though
[20:42] <bjsnider> that's what has you cheesed off, the javascript?
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> BrickBag: desktop trick?
[20:43] <BrickBag> KDE, Gnome 3 or unity
[20:43] <sebsebseb> hi
[20:43] <NoelJB> bjsnider, that is a major part, yes.  Not the only party, but a big part.
[20:43] <BrickBag> leaning toward gnome 3 though... easier switching between distros than unity
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> BrickBag: Gnome3 uses Untiy in Oneiric... Unity isn't a DE
[20:44] <NoelJB> bjsnider, because I count on a variety of extensions.  What I need, I've been able to migrate to Unity or easily find someone else who beat me to it (like indicator-sensors).
[20:44] <bjsnider> NoelJB, so what it actually does for the user that gnome 2 couldn't, that is irrelevant?
[20:44] <sebsebseb> just joining this convo, but uhmm Unity isn't part of Gnome,  that's Canonical's thing
[20:44] <sebsebseb> ,but yep runs on top of Gnome
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> Its a plugin for compiz, nothing more
[20:45] <NoelJB> bjsnider, I didn't *need* it to do anything that Gnome 2 didn't do.  I don't mind new features, but I do mind losing what I need because someone tossed compatibility.
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> or it uses compiz to exist
[20:45] <BrickBag> sebsebseb: thanks, I had that somewhere in the back of my mind somewhere :)
[20:45] <bjsnider> that's a js argument again
[20:45] <bjsnider> that's a very narrow argument. users might actually find it to be an improvement
[20:45] <NoelJB> bjsnider, for example, the whole lenses thing for Unity can be really exciting.  I'm looking forward to playing with it.  But, again, I have not had to discard everything I needed in order to gain something useful.
[20:46] <bjsnider> as someone doing code, you might not, but that's a much more narrow view
[20:46] <bjsnider> i didn't discard anything from gnome to use gnome-shell. it's all still here
[20:47] <trama> how to configure sound chipset alc888 realtek in Ubuntu 11.10?
[20:47] <NoelJB> bjsnider, perhaps we don't use the same things :-)
[20:48] <bjsnider> maybe not, i don't know
[20:48] <NoelJB> How many Gnome extensions and applets did use uses?
[20:48] <NoelJB> sorry, you use?
[20:48] <NoelJB> :-)
[20:48] <bjsnider> i have no sympathy for the "i don't wanna learn the new way" crowd that is sometimes vocal in here
[20:48] <bjsnider> that's not linux
[20:48] <NoelJB> And, yeah, I'm still pissed off that JS is the sole extension language.
[20:48] <bjsnider> i don't wanna learn is not linux. that's osx and windows
[20:49] <NoelJB> bjsnider, as I said, I'm still on the fence on Unity.  If it would stop falling over on me, I'd be happier.
[20:49] <NoelJB> And I miss some of the 3D eye candy that we had with Gnome 2 and Compiz.
[20:49] <bjsnider> i used weather, system-monitor, workspaces, maybe something else i don't remember, because i've been using gnome-shell for a long time now
[20:50] <NoelJB> But I do like the idea of lenses, and I do like that it is extensible in more ways that Gnome Shell.
[20:51] <NoelJB> Inhibit, but I wrote the replacement for that; hardware indicators, CPU control, several other things.
[20:51] <logi01> Does anyone know why the backports are enabled by default in 11.10?
[20:52] <jtaylor> because they arem't installed by default anymore
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> trama: can you give the output of:  wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh; chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh; ./alsa-info.sh
[20:53] <logi01> hm does this mean that we can select specific packages from the backports?
[20:53] <NoelJB> back in a bit.  suspending to head to the hotel
[20:53] <jtaylor> yes
[20:54] <jtaylor> but gui support is not done yet
[20:54] <bjsnider> i think the use of javascript and css probably makes gnome 3 more accessible to a wider range of developers because of the number of people through web design who know at least a little bit about jscript/css
[20:54] <charlie-tca> logi01: yes, backports are enabled by default because the backports packages are pinned lower than the default packages.
[20:54] <charlie-tca> You should be able to pick and choose the backports packages you want to install
[20:54] <NoelJB> bjsnider, doesn't mean that it should  be the sole means.
[20:57] <logi01> nice! Hope this will decrease the need for PPAs in order to get recent versions of specific software
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> trama: select to upload to the server, a URL will be generated.
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> logi01: i like finding PPAs. Its like a treasure hunt
[20:57] <bjsnider> it's easier for me to see windows on all desktops now than in gnome 2, and easier to move windows between desktops, and i have more screen real estate than in gnome 2. also, mutter is tear-free where metacity never was
[21:00] <howdy> Anybody here ?
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> howdy: many
[21:00] <howdy> What can be the problemthat ubuntu lags and flash player for me while kubuntu works good ?
[21:01] <charlie-tca> It could take a while for all 290 or so to answer, though
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> howdy: what is the output of:  dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf'; uname -a; lsb_release -a
[21:04] <howdy> ActionPArsnip: eh, i need to reboot then Will save this command in logs :) probably stupid question but what it should output to let me know that something is wrong ?
[21:05] <jasef> Eep. Running late, gotta get to school but... Yay! It's the 13th here, Oneiric release today :D
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> howdy: its info about the release, arch and plugins installed.
[21:06] <howdy> ActionParsnip: I tryed to install libflashplayer.so file by putting /opt/google/chrome/plugins folder was the same result
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> howdy: can you give the output of the command please, it will help
[21:13] <howdy> ActionParsnip: ok gotta reboot in 5 minutes then, you'll be there ?
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> howdy: sure, use a pastebin to hold the text
[21:16] <bjsnider> howdy, wait a minute. first of all, the correct package to install is adobe-flashplugin. get rid of anything else
[21:17] <bjsnider> then troubleshoot the issue, because the installer isn't doing anything special. the plugin is already built either way
[21:18] <bjsnider> it's just installing it system-wide the right way
[21:18] <bjsnider> so the ubuntu packaging is not to blame
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: might be 64bit, then we can try the 64bit plugin :)
[21:19] <bjsnider> the package in question has both arches
[21:19] <bjsnider> so forget arch
[21:19] <howdy> ok rebooting into Ubuntu now
[21:22] <intangir> i still cant get multiple monitors to work on ubuntu 11.10
[21:22] <howdy> Hey
[21:22] <howdy> I am back not in ubuntu
[21:22] <howdy> ActionParsnip can you remind command
[21:22] <intangir> i setup an xorg.conf that worked before, and now even lightdm is showing 2 monitors, but once i log in the 2nd one turns off again
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> howdy: dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf'; uname -a; lsb_release -a
[21:24] <howdy> ActionParsnip> dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf'; uname -a; lsb_release -ahowdy@asus:~$ dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf'; uname -a; lsb_release -a ii  flashplugin-downloader:i386            <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1                       Adobe Flash Player plugin downloader ii  flashplugin-installer                  <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1                       Adobe Flash Player plugin installer Linux asus 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct
[21:24] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, he removed the shared lib that he manually installed right?
[21:24] <howdy> ouh sorry
[21:24] <howdy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/707001/
[21:24] <howdy> I though I had link in clipboard :)
[21:24] <intangir> oh weird i got it working now, it was an available display mode (the entire size)
[21:25] <bjsnider> he's using the i386 with nspluginwrapper
[21:25] <bjsnider> so purge that and install adobe-flashplugin
[21:25] <bjsnider> purge flashplugin-downloader and flashplugin-installer
[21:25] <intangir> it detects it as one gigantic resolution
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-downloader:i386 flashplugin-installer ; sudo apt-get clean; sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sevenmachines/flash; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install flashplugin64-installer
[21:26] <bjsnider> wrong
[21:26] <bjsnider> no ppa is required
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> howdy: ^
[21:26] <howdy> So is ppa required ? :)
[21:26] <bjsnider> the new adobe-flashplugin package is what to use now
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> howdy: works great here
[21:27] <howdy> So should I use ppa or not ?
[21:27] <bjsnider> everybody should use the adbone-flashplugin package from now on
[21:27] <bjsnider> adobe, sorry
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> howdy: the PPA gets updated frequently
[21:28] <trism> bjsnider: adobe-flashplugin isn't new and it is still in partner, so probably not the way to go in general
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> !info adobe-flashplugin
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> shame
[21:29] <SetiAmon> I downloaded the .lo file from adobe and made plugins in mozzila folder,that worked
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: how can a user use something if it doesn't exist?
[21:29] <SetiAmon> flash 11
[21:29] <SetiAmon> x64 exstweem edition
[21:29] <bjsnider> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/adobe-flashplugin
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=oneiric&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=flash
[21:29] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, it does exist
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: well ubottu and the packages page says it doesn't
[21:30] <iceroot> where are the newest kernels listed? kernel.org seems outdated
[21:30] <jtaylor> github I think
[21:30] <howdy> E: Unable to locate package flashplugin64-installer
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707003/
[21:31] <bjsnider> it installs everything for both arches and actually includes the libs. it doesn't have to download them and checksum them
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> howdy: did you add the PPA ok?
[21:31] <iceroot> https://github.com/mirrors/linux  thx
[21:31] <howdy> ActionParsnip: sure I did
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> howdy: seems the PPA is deprecated: https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash
[21:32] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, enable partner
[21:32] <bjsnider> sevenmachines probably stopped packaging his version since the new package is doing that work. i made the same decision
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> i always just copy the .so to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
[21:33] <howdy> bjsnider: You are right but adobe-flashplugin in repos has only 10 version
[21:33] <howdy> ActionParsnip: will try that once again
[21:33] <howdy> :)
[21:33] <bjsnider> howdy, wrong
[21:34] <bjsnider> dead wrong
[21:34] <bjsnider> update your sources
[21:34] <howdy> updated :)
[21:34] <howdy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/707005/
[21:35] <intangir> oh hey loooks like im having the same issue
[21:35] <intangir> i also got chromium
[21:35] <intangir> how do i install the flash plugin for it?
[21:35] <bjsnider> intangir, enable the partner repo and install adobe-flashplugin
[21:36] <howdy> bjsnider: There are only x86 version adobe-flashplugin 11 in repo :)
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> intangir: I copy the .so /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins    the package adobe-flashplugin in the partner repo should install it all for you
[21:36] <howdy> bjsnider; So you are right apt-cache search was showing bad result
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: looks like you were right, my bad
[21:36] <intangir> where do i find the .so?
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: it is a bit of a faff, never had to touch the partner in my life
[21:36] <bjsnider> intangir, it's in the package
[21:36] <howdy> But there is only X86 version of package availible in the repo ?
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> intangir: enable partner repo then install adobe-flashplugin
[21:36] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, then you missed a lot of useful stuff
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: ive gotten by just  fine since Gutsy
[21:37] <intangir> wheres the partner repo?
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> intangir: its enableable in software centre
[21:37] <howdy> Software Sources option via Ubuntu Software Center -> Edit
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: so they FINALLY put 64bit flash in the repo, or is it still via that stupid nspluginwrapper?
[21:37] <howdy> ActionParsnip: They didin't :D
[21:37] <bjsnider> no, it's the native 64-bit plugin
[21:38] <bjsnider> because adobe has finally marked it stable
[21:38] <howdy> Where do you find X64 in repo ?
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> bjsnider: finally
[21:38] <jtaylor> ActionParsnip: its more like adobe finaly released a 64 bit version
[21:38] <jtaylor> not ubuntus fault adobe sucks
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> jtaylor: there were 64bit flashes before 11.1
[21:38] <howdy> adobe-flashplugin:i386 <IP_ADDRESS>-0oneiric1
[21:38] <jtaylor> only betas
[21:38] <bjsnider> canonical couldn't package it because adobe refused to mark it stable until now
[21:38] <howdy> In btw I have Ubuntu x64
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> jtaylor: it was still available though
[21:39] <jtaylor> yes but not stable
[21:39] <jtaylor> => not in repos
[21:39] <howdy> How come nobody listen to me :D
[21:39] <intangir> kickass it works
[21:39] <jtaylor> betas where available in ppas as usual
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> howdy: I'll give you a command, lets do this my way
[21:39] <bjsnider> those betas were terrible but they always worked better for me than nspluginwrapper
[21:40] <howdy> There is deb for 11 X64 in Adobe website :)
[21:40] <bjsnider> packaged for lucid
[21:40] <intangir> how do i sort icons on my sidebar?
[21:40] <intangir> also how do i make it not show mounted volumes
[21:40] <bjsnider> don't use it
[21:40] <howdy> bjsnider: You a talking to me ?
[21:41] <bjsnider> yes
[21:41] <intangir> i tried to install the deb on adbobes site but it opened with software center and didnt install anything
[21:41] <howdy> ok I will use libflashplayer.so file isntead then
[21:41] <intangir> but turning on the partner repo and installing adobe-flashplugin worked
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> howdy: cd /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins && sudo wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8850924/libflashplayer.so
[21:41] <howdy> In btw anyone got problems with Jockey and post-update release drivers ?
[21:41] <howdy> ActionParsnip: Thanks, just did that :)
[21:41] <intangir> how do i sort icons and hide mounted volumes on the sidebar?
[21:41] <BluesKaj> I still have the pluginwrapper because some sites didn't work weel without it , are you guys saying to install the new repos flash with out the wrapper?
[21:42] <howdy> ActionParsnip: In my situation there is /opt/google/chrome/plugins :>
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> howdy: uninstall the flash packages you have installed, should be fine
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> howdy: does the/usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins not exist?
[21:43] <sandra> howdy, have you considered using "Flash-Aid"  ?
[21:43] <howdy> ActionParsnip: I use Google Chrome instead of Chromium :)
[21:43] <howdy> sandra: I managed to put that so file in right directory, in btw are you from lithuania ? ;D
[21:43] <howdy> .so file '''
[21:43] <intangir> where can i go to learn how to manipulate icons on the sidebar?
[21:43] <intangir> i guess its the launcher
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> intangir: how do you mean manipulate?
[21:44] <intangir> how do i sort icons and hide mounted volumes on the sidebar?
[21:44] <intangir> i want to reorder some
[21:44] <sandra> howdy: No I'm anderson island, washington state.
[21:45] <howdy> ActionParsnip: ok now I will check performance
[21:46] <howdy> Yeah works fine for now :)
[21:46] <howdy> So now I would want to talk about another problem. I can't install from Jockey post-release update drivers for ATI
[21:47] <howdy> The other ones works just fine. I even tryed to install from binary 11.9 ati drivers, but then I went into many problems like loosing reboot shutdown functions ( it just only logged out from account, nothing else)
[21:47] <sandra> G'day my fellow Ubuntu inmates
[21:47] <howdy> sandra: Gnight :)
[21:47] <sandra> trust everyone is doing well today.
[21:47] <howdy> 00:47 here :>
[21:47] <physically_fit> tomorrow is the day... yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> intangir: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/08/unity-oneiric-changes-august/
[21:48] <levar13> :D that's how we like to see it!
[21:48] <sandra> good thing good intentions reach past time lines :-)
[21:49] <howdy> ActionParsnip: Maybe you are somehow familiar with my Jockey problem :) ?
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> howdy: never used it, I just install nvidia-current and its all good
[21:49] <sandra> Can someone here be kind enough to tell me why xorg edgers PPA doesn't work on Oneiric ?
[21:49] <intangir> ActionParsnip: thx
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> sandra: does the PPA support oneiric?
[21:49] <howdy> ActionParsnip: Freakingly awesome "ATI" here :D
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> howdy: I don't buy ATi, sorry
[21:50] <phibxr> I actually miss the upper left Ubuntu button.
[21:50] <sandra> I've been trying to install nvidia's latest stable video driver 285.05.09 w/out any su.cess
[21:51] <howdy> phibxr: Me too, such a stupid Idea to move it to the launcher :)
[21:51] <sandra> ActionParsnip: Well PPA say's it supports Oneiric.
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> !info nvidia-current
[21:51] <bjsnider> that is a prerelease, not stable
[21:51] <howdy> phibxr: Takes too much place  in example for my laptop :)
[21:52] <phibxr> howdy, that too. but I just liked the Ubuntu-logo being visible. :P
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> sandra: its working here, installing now (got nothing better to do, so having a laugh)
[21:52] <sandra> I have no sucess finding installation solution.
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> sandra: did you have it added earlier, or is this a fresh install?
[21:53] <howdy> phibxr: Yeah, do you know is there anywhere I can get free Ubuntu stickers ? :D
[21:53] <phibxr> howdy, I think system76.com has something like that.
[21:54] <intangir> i keep getting a ton of errors saying 'system program has crashed' asking if i want to report, but nothing seems to be failing
[21:54] <intangir> everything seems fine other than this annoying error popping up
[21:54] <howdy> And maybe anyone managed to use Python3 + PyQT combination :) ?
[21:54] <sandra> ActionParsnip: I just installed Oneiric and am currently running nvidia 280.13
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> sandra: if you run:  apt-cache policy xorg-server       you should see 2:1.11.1+git20110926+server-1.11-branch.aabd25bd-0ubuntu0sarvatt
[21:54] <phibxr> howdy, looks like that page has been removed though.
[21:54] <howdy> phibxr: No probs :)
[21:55] <intangir> oh i guess it did crash this time
[21:56] <sandra> ActionParsnip: I would greatly appreciate knowing if nvidia 285.05.09 driver installs for you.
[22:00] <sandra> btw just as a matter of fact nvidia lists their 285.05.09 as stable not as a beta release.
[22:07] <trism> bjsnider: sorry, didn't realize the one in partner was updated with the 64 bit version, thanks for the info *adds partner*
[22:11] <sandra> Could someone here tell me if they use a program named Second Life ?
[22:12] <sandra> I'm asking only because I would like to know how to use i386 files in Oneiric to meet the dependencies Second Life looks for in order to stream music and play videos.
[22:14] <bjsnider> trism, very recent change
[22:16] <SetiAmon> hey is there a time breakdown for when exactly 11.10 will be releasd
[22:16] <SetiAmon> i hear 1 Somoa time
[22:16] <SetiAmon> what is that in PST
[22:18] <pangolin> !final >Tired_
[22:18] <famgod> there really isnt any different
[22:18] <famgod> between whats out now
[22:18] <famgod> and the final release
[22:18] <famgod> is there?
[22:22] <intangir> all the packages im downloading are extremely slow..
[22:22] <intangir> is there a way to add other repos which would hopefully be faster?
[22:23] <intangir> damn it its downloading from mexico...
[22:23] <intangir> why do they have the tiniest little unheard of places, including mexico cities on the map for timezone but not houston
[22:23] <intangir> houston is one of the biggest cities in the world and its still not listen ;()
[22:24] <intangir> listed
[22:24] <jbicha> intangir: you should be able to type in Housin on the timezone selector page
[22:24] <NoelJB> trism, what was that about partner?  I came on right as you posted.  Something nvidia related?
[22:24] <intangir> i did but it apparently decided some mexican city was close enough
[22:25] <trism> NoelJB: adobe flash related
[22:25] <intangir> so my default download servers are also in mexico
[22:25] <jbicha> but the time zone database doesn't list every city, it lists a major one per time zone
[22:25] <intangir> i hate chicago ;)
[22:25] <intangir> i cant pick it hehehe
[22:25] <intangir> im from houston damit ;)
[22:25] <silverlightning> hi
[22:25] <NoelJB> bjsnider, what is the latest nvidia that we have?  I seem to be at 280.13
[22:25] <jbicha> intangir: lol
[22:26] <silverlightning> I reinstalled 11.10 now
[22:26] <silverlightning> I messed up packages too much
[22:26] <silverlightning> this time I think it is all right
[22:26] <silverlightning> except I have no sound
[22:27] <silverlightning> I have opened alsamixer and set all parameters on full
[22:27] <silverlightning> still some of them show muted like MM and not 00
[22:27] <silverlightning> any idea?
[22:28] <bjsnider> NoelJB, that's it for the moment
[22:28] <intangir> ya now were talking ;)
[22:28] <intangir> i changed download sites to the fastest mirror
[22:28] <intangir> it just finished so fast i couldnt even see it
[22:28] <intangir> earlier estimated time was 20 minutes
[22:28] <NoelJB> bjsnider, what about http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-285.05.09-driver.html ?
[22:28] <NoelJB> Says certified
[22:29] <hilacha> hi all, network slow to start at boot time? some tip?
[22:29] <bjsnider> NoelJB, patience
[22:29] <hilacha> then, 60 seconds until network setup.. o
[22:29] <hilacha> or something like that..
[22:30] <NoelJB> bjsnider, LOL just asking.  Usually you have that in a PPA somewhere relatively quickly.
[22:30] <NoelJB> it isn't in x-updates, for example.
[22:30] <sandra> Could someone please tell me if they have had any success installing the nvidia 285.05.09 video driver on Oneiric , and if so could you please tell me how you did it . Thanks.
[22:31] <bjsnider> NoelJB, it will be
[22:31] <hilacha> there is some place on common oneiric problems to consult?
[22:31] <hilacha> or some faq?
[22:31] <hilacha> or oneiric documentation?
[22:31] <NoelJB> bjsnider, have a timeframe in mind?
[22:32] <bjsnider> tonight
[22:32] <NoelJB> sandra, wait for bjsnider to post it to the x-updates PPA tonight, and get it that way.
[22:32] <NoelJB> bjsnider, thanks.  :;-)
[22:32] <NoelJB> bjsnider, you really do a great job on the nvidia updates
[22:34] <bjsnider> the hard work of the incredibly complex packaging scripts is done by tseliot
[22:34] <hilacha> is already possible to download the iso for oneiric?
[22:34] <sandra> NoelJB, I'm sorry I'm still new to Linux & Ubuntu what x-updates are you referring too ?
[22:35] <sandra> NoelJB, Are you referring too to the Xorg Edgers PPA ?
[22:36] <NoelJB> sandra, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[22:37] <NoelJB> NO!!!! DO NOT USE XOrg Edgers unless you really know why to ignore the warning.
[22:38] <bjsnider> nobody ever reads the warning
[22:38] <bjsnider> that's the problem
[22:38] <sandra> NoelJB, Thank you so much for the link . Could you possibly tell me when the nvidia 285.05.09 file will be posted to x-swat ?
[22:39] <bjsnider> sandra, your current driver should work very well you know
[22:40] <sandra> I confess I tried Xorg Edgers on my test Oneiric partition it failed.
[22:40] <NoelJB> sandra, xorg edgers will break your system at the moment.
[22:41] <NoelJB> sandra, and you don't need x-swat either.  x-updates has the stable, latest, drivers.
[22:41] <famgod> i just removed bind9, then i manually deleted /etc/bind/...now when I reinstall bind9, it doesnt install the config files...help :P
[22:41] <sandra> bjsnider, Thank you so much for your help. But unfortunately 280.13 nvidia driver is not w/out it's problems on my HP-HDX-18-Notebook system.
[22:43] <sandra> bjsinder, odd thing is , is that nvidia 285.05.09 driver works flawlessly on my Natty partition.
[22:44] <sandra> NoelJB, Could you kindly provide me with the link to x-updates ? so I can down load the driver ? thanks.
[22:47] <sandra> I shall return
[22:47] <sandra> and thanks again for your help.
[22:54] <sandra> bjsnider, Could you please tell me when the nvidia 285.05.09 will be posted to X-swat please.
[22:55] <sandra> bjsnider, I'm hoping it will solve some of the current glitches I am experiencing with  Compiz & Nautilus .
[22:58] <maizuddin35> does anyone know how to change themes in ubuntu 11.10?
[22:59] <robin0800> maizuddin35: yes use gnome-tweak-tool
[22:59] <D_Russ> hello
[23:00] <D_Russ> is it possible to upgrade from ubuntu 11.04 32bit to 11.10 64 bit?
[23:02] <maizuddin35> robin0800: oh, thanks btw
[23:02] <johnjohn101> does flash work well in 64 bit?
[23:03] <NoelJB> johnjohn101, yes
[23:03] <popey> D_Russ: no
[23:03] <NoelJB> Mind you, I am running it directly from Adobe at the moment
[23:03] <popey> D_Russ: you would need to reinstall
[23:03] <D_Russ> that sucks
[23:03] <sandra> D_Russ, I'm new to linux and Ubuntu but I attempted that going from ubuntu 11.04 32 bit to ubuntu 11.10 and it failed.
[23:03] <johnjohn101> noeljb, i'm  assuming flash 11 from abobe, right
[23:04] <intangir> sandra: what did it do?
[23:04] <popsch> nautilus consistently crashes when I change the default application for files (most recent version from the oneiric branch)
[23:04] <D_Russ> do you mean 32 bit to 32 bit? sandra?
[23:04] <sandra> NoelJB,  can you please give me the link to x-update  thanks
[23:04] <D_Russ> or 32bit to 64 bit?
[23:05] <sandra> yes from 32 to 64 it failed.
[23:05] <D_Russ> ok
[23:05] <NoelJB> johnjohn101, yes
[23:05] <utgt> what is new in this release?
[23:05] <NoelJB> sandra, I did
[23:05] <maizuddin35> D_Russ: I think you can't same goes to windows if you want to change from 32 to 64,you just need to reinstall
[23:05] <sandra> NoelJB, I must of missed it then could I please get it from you again please.
[23:06] <D_Russ> any advantages of a 64 bit install. when i installed 11.04 it reccomended the 32 bit so i went with that
[23:06] <johnjohn101> well i'm sticking to 32 bit unless someone give me a reason to head to 64 bit.   browse,email and chat is about all i do.
[23:06] <NoelJB> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[23:06] <NoelJB> johnjohn101, 64 bit flash is a lot more stable for me, performs better, etc.
[23:07] <sandra> NoelJB, Thank you so much
[23:07] <NoelJB> or do you mean your entire install
[23:07] <johnjohn101> i meant the entire install.
[23:07] <D_Russ> NoelJB any problem running any apps on 64 bit?
[23:08] <maizuddin35> I don't know why, I think the latest version of gwibber is pretty lagging ..does anyone encounter this one?
[23:08] <NoelJB> D_Russ, apps on 64 bit Ubuntu?  Not really.  I haven't run anything so quaint as a 32 bit OS in years.
[23:09] <NoelJB> Now, we used to have some issues with a few broswer plugins, e.g., flash, but those are largely all long fixed.
[23:09] <johnjohn101> i would imagine there has to be some speed diffs between the 64 bit kernel and the 32 bit pae kernel for > 4 Gb
[23:10] <NoelJB> johnjohn101, I have 8GB of RAM, and the appropriate use cases to need it.
[23:11] <NoelJB> My next laptop will have a min of 16GB RAM
[23:11] <D_Russ> looks like i will be doing a fresh install then. i am wanting to go with 64bit
[23:11] <maizuddin35> NoelJB: wow. 16GB.:)
[23:11] <D_Russ> i have 8gb ddr3 ram and a core 2 quad q9600
[23:13] <johnjohn101> 16 GB ram not much $ these days on a desktop
[23:13] <D_Russ> johnjohn101, maybe if your a gamer
[23:14] <D_Russ> it isnt but for most tasks thats plenty
[23:16] <NoelJB> D_Russ, I run virtual machines with enterprise products, so memory is an issue.
[23:16] <arand> johnjohn101: There are quite considerable speed differences, from what I've heard (phoronx made a test of that a while ago...)
[23:16] <D_Russ> ohh i see
[23:16] <D_Russ> VM's will do it
[23:16] <arand> s/phoronox/phoronix/
[23:16] <sandra> that's interesting I wanted to install Oneiric 32 bit for over all compatibility but for some reason it would install but not load once it was installed on my HP-HDX-18-Notebook.
[23:18] <sandra> The 64 bit version of Oneiric did install on my system but some programs such as Second Life is not fully functional .
[23:18] <D_Russ> whats second life?
[23:19] <johnjohn101> just eyeballed a $100 mb that will support 64 gb memory...
[23:19] <arand> A game, likely it is 32-bit only, you running it via wine?
[23:19] <sandra> I am intrigued by the promise of i386 compatibility for 32 bit programs such as skype.
[23:20] <sandra> D_Russ, Second Life is a 3D-Visual Chat program.
[23:20] <D_Russ> it wont work on 11.10 64 bit? is it native linux, sandra?
[23:21] <arand> sandra: I think you may have to dif into http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linux_Viewer#64-bit
[23:21] <sandra> D_Russ, it works but I can't get music or video to stream and yes it's a native 32 bit Linux program.
[23:22] <arand> But the interesting thing is why 64bit, and not 32bit ubuntu runs, so at what point did 32bit fail?
[23:22] <sandra> arand, Thank you so much for posting that link.
[23:23] <NoelJB> sandra, there is a 64 bit download for Skype from Skype.  Haven't tried it, yet.
[23:23] <johnjohn101> skype is supporting linux natively?
[23:23] <NoelJB> sandra, skype-ubuntu_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb
[23:24] <NoelJB> yes, if you call functionally obsolete code supporting linux
[23:24] <NoelJB> nowhere near the level of functionality in their Mac and MS-Windows products.
[23:24] <sandra> arand, Second Life does load for me but streaming music and video does not under Oneiric 64 bit but under natty 32 bit Second Life works flawlessly.
[23:25] <NoelJB> And I've usually had more success with their statically linked binary, rather than deal with platform integration.
[23:26] <NoelJB> sandra, http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linux_Viewer#64-bit
[23:26] <sandra> NoelJB, I don't recomend you use skype 64 bit it will not install well under Oneiric . Oneriric does have it's own Skype :386 version for it's 64 bit OS.
[23:26] <NoelJB> sandra, as I said, I tend to use their statically linked binary.
[23:26] <Roasted> has anybody gotten recent updates and lost sound?
[23:26] <Roasted> I updated my 11.10 machine and both of my soundcards (onboard and pci) are gone now.
[23:27] <NoelJB> I have sound on my T61p.
[23:27] <NoelJB> Roasted, just verified it is still working
[23:27] <Iszak> Is 11.10 rolled into an ISO yet?
[23:28] <arand> !iso
[23:28] <arand> erm..
[23:28] <Roasted> NoelJB, have you gotten recent updates?
[23:28] <DeltaEpsilon> is there a svn/cvs plugin for Nautilus in gnome3?
[23:30] <arand> !daily | Iszak
[23:30] <sandra> Roasted, how  long between the time you installed 11.10 and updated ?
[23:31] <Roasted> sandra, well I installed 11.10 with Beta 2. I updated last night.
[23:31] <NoelJB> DeltaEpsilon, did you see http://rabbitvcs.org/ ?  I don't know if they (or anyone supports Gnome Shell, but you missed my --- as bjsnider called it -- rant on how Gnome Shell sucks).
[23:31] <arand> Iszak: There's also some snapshot images for beta2 as well
[23:31] <johnjohn101> i haven't had any updates for two days. i think that is a good sign.
[23:31] <Roasted> I hadn't used 11.10 extensively on my desktop (the problematic machine) but I used it an easy 15 times or so with sound just fine.
[23:31] <NoelJB> Roasted, completely up to date.
[23:31] <Roasted> if I do an apt-get update, am I getting ALL of the recent updates?
[23:31] <Roasted> or should I be doidng an upgrade?
[23:32] <D_Russ> i think i will wait a few days before i install 11.10. Now sandra has me a bit worried that me switching to 64 bit will become a problem. maybe i should test it in virtual box first
[23:32] <arand> johnjohn101: I'ts just that ubuntu is freezing changes for the release, I reckon
[23:32] <Roasted> 64 bit?
[23:32] <Roasted> I've used 64 bit for
[23:32] <Roasted> well... 5 years?
[23:32] <sandra> Roasted, thanks I suggest you download the latest daily build http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ this should reenable your sound card it did mine.
[23:32] <Roasted> sandra, but that requires reinstalling :(
[23:33] <johnjohn101> says skype 2.2 is still beta
[23:33] <sandra> Roasted, Unfortunately yes but on the upside Oneiric is a fast install :-)
[23:33] <Roasted> sandra, BUT....
[23:33] <Roasted> it requires reinstalling :(
[23:33] <Roasted> is there no way to remove updates?
[23:33] <johnjohn101> with a laptop that looks like it has ubuntu on it
[23:34] <sandra> D_Russ, I do like the 64 bit version my email works libre office works well it's just Second Life that I have a few issues with. Other then that it works well.
[23:35] <Roasted> I've used 64 bit for nearly 5 years.
[23:35] <Roasted> I can count on 1 hand with no fingers how many times I've had issues.
[23:35] <artzra> hi i have install oneric 11.10 studio near win7 but i have lose the boot of win
[23:36] <artzra> how install a dual boot ?? when all system are in place ?
[23:36] <arand> Roasted: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11331467#post11331467 does it help?
[23:36] <sandra> artzra, that's odd because Oneiric found my windows 7 partition.
[23:36] <arand> artzra: If you re-run "sudo update-grub" does it mention win7?
[23:37] <Roasted> arand, thanks. rebooting now...
[23:38] <artzra> arand yes
[23:38] <artzra> Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda2
[23:38] <Zahrada> I want 11.10, when is it the official ubuntu distribution?
[23:38] <arand> right but it doesn't show up in the grub boot menu?
[23:39] <artzra> yes
[23:39] <sandra> arand, is it possible to use the new feature i386 compatibility files in order to get Second Life 32 bit linux edition to run ?
[23:39] <artzra> arand, that s it
[23:39] <arand> artzra: presumably, after rerunning that update it should be there now, or is it that the grub menu doesn't show up at all
[23:40] <sandra> oops I'll wait till your done helping artzra
[23:40] <Roasted> didnt work
[23:40] <Roasted> :(
[23:41] <arand> sandra: It should be, and I think the wiki was doing some things with that, though I'm not really sure, and don't know much about the workings of it I'm afaraid
[23:41] <sandra> Roasted, What didn't work ?
[23:41] <Roasted> arand linked me to an ubuntuforums thread with a possible fix for my audio in 11.10, but it didnt work
[23:41] <sandra> arand, thank you :-)
[23:42] <Roasted> in my sound preferences under the output tab it says "Dummy Output"
[23:42] <sandra> Roasted, I suspect you are going to have to perform a fresh reload as I did to correct your audio problem :-(
[23:42] <Roasted> sandra, well, if I have to that's fine. I full well knew that installing 11.10 it might not work.
[23:42] <Roasted> sandra, it's just frustrating knowing an update broke it.
[23:42] <Roasted> I'm positive of that.
[23:43] <Roasted> So when do I know it's okay to update? :(
[23:43] <sandra> Roasted, Yes I had the same problem , but on the upside my sound card worked after reloading.
[23:43] <Roasted> I just have a hard time accepting that
[23:43] <Roasted> beta or not, this isn't Windows.
[23:43] <Iszak> arg can't wait for ubuntu 11.10 :(
[23:44] <Roasted> 11.10 is beautiful :)
[23:44] <Roasted> I'm putting it on a PC to use as a HTPC right now
[23:44] <Roasted> I decided I don't even need XBMC or Boxee. Gnome Shell will suffice VERY nicely.
[23:45] <sandra> Roasted, I feel your "Pain"
[23:45] <Roasted> sandra, it seems as if my symptoms have been seen in previous versions of ubuntu too.
[23:46] <Roasted> sandra, I'm going to hold off formatting now... maybe 10.10's fix (from the post I'm reading now) might help me.
[23:47] <arand> Roasted: so are you able to change from dummy output to something else in sound prefs?
[23:47] <Roasted> Dummy Output is the onlyt hing listed.
[23:47] <Roasted> So I have nothing else to choose. :(
[23:48] <Roasted> ya know...
[23:48] <arand> That doesn't sounds like a good thing, so maybe there PA doesn' detect your soundcard as an outputl, for whatever reason...
[23:48] <Roasted> it sure detected it 2 days ago
[23:48] <Roasted> :(
[23:49] <Roasted> I'm going to nuke the .pulse folder, reinstall pulseaudio, and then reboo
[23:49] <Roasted> oh wow...
[23:49] <arand> Do you know which version of PA it worked on?
[23:49] <Roasted> when I open synaptic I have broken packages.
[23:49] <Roasted> arand, no I don't. Whatever is default in 11.10. It was working fine.
[23:50] <Roasted> arand, I've had this setup since probably 8.04, everything worked fine up until 11.10's updates yesterday.
[23:50] <Roasted> which when I say "yesterday's updates" I don't mean updates RELEASED yesterday
[23:50] <Roasted> I haven't been home in a few days, so whatever I got last night did it in..
[23:50] <Roasted> yeah it looks like its broken on the kernel
[23:50] <Roasted> lol??????????
[23:51] <arand> I guess that is something to solve initially :)
[23:51] <Roasted> mhm
[23:51] <Roasted> I think so too
[23:55] <arand> Roasted: With https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+changelog and /var/log/dpkg.log and «grep "upgrade pulseaudio" /var/log/dpkg.log» you may be able to figure out which version introduced the issue, and mainually reinstall the packages of the old version of PA, and try that, all provided it's actually PA that broke things, etc.
[23:59] <Roasted> are there any torrents for 11.10 yet?
[23:59] <johnjohn101> why is it when you hit x on banshee or rhythm box, the programs don't die and they aren't in the side bar ( unity).