[12:01] <vgoltser> init.d*
[12:01] <cge> valberg: Delete all the contents except for the #!/bin/sh line
[12:01] <AliTaimur> i tried al+ctrl+f1 nothing happened :-(
[12:01] <vgoltser> ali, this is in edgy?
[12:01] <delight> hi ... i installed some packages to edgy ... quite some ;) ... and one of them made most folders beeing hidden  ... its kinda nice on the one hand ... but then its pretty annonying if u browse with konqueror or so ...
[12:01] <delight> does somebody know what package it is that makes that behaviour ?
[12:01] <DarkMageZ> mamzers555, was your .mozilla/ a fresh from a clean edgy install or was it dragged along from an older system
[12:01] <AliTaimur> yes its edgy
[12:01] <AliTaimur> and i m using kubuntu
[12:02] <valberg> cge: and then what ?
[12:02] <vgoltser> wtf?! did they disable vitual consoles?!
[12:02] <noldon> why doesnt the program i install with synaptic being added to the "application" meny?
[12:02] <variant> vgoltser: no...
[12:02] <cge> valberg: That's it
[12:02] <valberg> cge: then just remove it ?
[12:02] <leofender> can i chating with other person with the linux console ?
[12:02] <cge> valberg: Just do that, and then remove it, yes.
[12:02] <LjL> vgoltser: uh, you're already (well, ali's already) the second user saying they can't access VTs tonight...
[12:02] <AngryElf> is there a way i can change the size of the desktop icons?
[12:02] <variant> leofender: yeah, man write
[12:02] <mamzers555> DarkMageZ; it was a new
[12:02] <variant> leofender: or talk
[12:03] <nomasteryoda> noldon, its there ... just run this command... killall -9 gnome-panel ... this should update it
[12:03] <leofender> yeah ?
[12:03] <vgoltser> ali, file a bug or if you can get to the partition, see if there is something towards the end of the /etc/inittab file mentioning tty1, tty2, until tty6 and see if they are commented (# in front of the line) if they are, un comment them
[12:03] <leofender> how ?
[12:03] <Zyfo> When I've got autohide on a panel I need to hold the mouse over it for a while until it shows. How can I decrease the time needed to show the panel?
[12:03] <ibob63> doesn't anyone know a good gui for ffmpeg?
[12:03] <variant> q
[12:03] <LjL> vgoltser: err, there is no /etc/inittab anymore in Edgy =)
[12:03] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell vgoltser about upstart
[12:03] <leofender> hablas espaol ?
[12:03] <rawrness> how well would konqueror work in gnome?
[12:03] <DarkMageZ> mamzers555, k. what was that link again? i'm going to give it some serious testing
[12:03] <variant> leofender: "write username"
[12:03] <valberg> cge, thanks!
[12:03] <noldon> AngryElf right-click the icon and click stretch icon
[12:03] <vgoltser> ahh ... this is bad ...
[12:03] <ibob63> opps.. does any anyone know a good gui for ffmpeg?
[12:03] <variant> leofender: then enter what you want to say and thoen do ctrl d
[12:03] <nomasteryoda> rawrness, works for me
[12:04] <vgoltser> they should've skipped this one and had edgy as 7.04
[12:04] <rawrness> kk
[12:04] <cge> valberg: There might be some files left over that didn't get removed, but it will at least fix apt.
[12:04] <pike_> ibob63: soundkonverter?
[12:04] <leofender> 4variant. give me your hotmail acount
[12:04] <valberg> cge, the package acpid and acpi-support are bothering me as well
[12:04] <variant> leofender: type man write for full information
[12:04] <noldon> nomasteryoda yeahh right or maybe its just kills my toolbar
[12:04] <variant> leofender: give me some money
[12:04] <valberg> cge, are they important ?
[12:04] <ibob63> pike_: will that work on gnome?
[12:04] <mamzers555> DarkMageZ; it is definitly a bug, rename your old .mozilla, let create a new one, and it will not work
[12:04] <AngryElf> noldon, i was looking for more of a permanent setting for all icons....and new ones to come
[12:04] <j-swim> anyone ever setup ivtv for a hauppauge card in ubuntu? I'm trying to build the module but I dont know where to firmware files. I installed the ivtv-source package in the repos, and extracted them in /usr/src... help?
[12:04] <nomasteryoda> noldon, it will but also the gnome-panel will restart "automagically"
[12:04] <mamzers555> DarkMageZ; http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/80176
[12:04] <dcraven> AngryElf, default zoom level in Nautilus preferences.
[12:04] <leofender> plis a need to know that
[12:04] <mamzers555> DarkMageZ; and then blackstone
[12:04] <leofender> i need you email
[12:04] <pike_> ibob63: it will load kde libs but yeah
[12:04] <nomasteryoda> i've used it before
[12:04] <cge> valberg: You want them installed, probably.
[12:04] <noldon> nomasteryoda i dont trust u
[12:05] <vgoltser> is there a reason why my usb mouse would switch events between boots (sometimes event1, sometimes event2)
[12:05] <valberg> cge, k... it just fails to set them up... :S
[12:05] <ibob63> pike_: i'll give it a go :) thanks
[12:05] <variant> leofender: ok, its<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:05] <Dragonfire1> If I install ubuntu full to the hard disk. Then can you re partion again for another flavor like edubuntu?
[12:05] <vgoltser> reason is, I use evdev and X fails if the config is wrong
[12:05] <cge> valberg: You might try reinstalling them
[12:05] <cge> valberg: If that fails, you could post the error in #flood
[12:05] <leofender> wait
[12:05] <Dragonfire1> I want to split the hard drive 20 and 20 gig
[12:05] <leofender> please
[12:05] <moolcool_> how do i switch from kdm to gdm?
[12:05] <mikm[laptop] > Dragonfire1-  Yes
[12:05] <LjL> moolcool_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[12:06] <nashnash> how can i set my pc (xsane,kooka .. any scanning prog) to scan on black and white and not making the background of the scan blue? Thanks!
[12:06] <pike_> i just got the the virgin islands and first thing i do is ssh to home comp and fire up irssi.. thats just sad
[12:06] <AngryElf> dcraven, where are the nautilus prefs?
[12:06] <Dragonfire1> mikm here is the situation I trie to run_qtparted
[12:06] <moolcool_> how do i switch from kdm to gdm?
[12:06] <LjL> moolcool_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm <-- i just answered
[12:06] <DShepherd> moolcool_: do you have kubuntu instaleed?
[12:06] <Dragonfire1> I need to keep the fat in front I believe
[12:06] <moolcool_> i am running in gnome
[12:06] <lando> i have apache2 and mysql installed however when i reboot apache2 runs but not mysql.... what file do i need to edit?
[12:06] <Dragonfire1> WInd was on the drive already
[12:06] <delight> so does somebody know a package in edgy that is marking pretty much all folders in the main folder as hidden ?
[12:07] <Dragonfire1> windows
[12:07] <dcraven> AngryElf, Places -> Home Folder, then Edit -> Preferences
[12:07] <moolcool_> but it says kbuntu when it boots
[12:07] <dcraven> AngryElf, in the View tab.
[12:07] <cge> delight: It is a kubuntu package, I believe.
[12:07] <cge> delight: You can fix the problem by deleting the /.hidden file.
[12:07] <LjL> moolcool_, the splash screen you see during boot has nothing to do with KDM and GDM
[12:07] <variant> delight: the default in your home directory is to have most files hidden with a . at the start
[12:07] <LjL> moolcool_: to switch to GDM, do what i said.
[12:07] <delight> cge .. could be ... but  its kinda annoying ... not talking about the home folder
[12:07] <leofender> Hi
[12:07] <variant> cge: dont delet them as this will break your applications
[12:07] <AngryElf> dcraven, awesome, thanx
[12:07] <delight> thats ok ...
[12:07] <mikm[laptop] > Dragonfire1 -  Just resize the (k)ubuntu partition.  You shouldn't have to add another swap partition
[12:07] <j-swim> anyone ever setup ivtv for a hauppauge card in ubuntu? I'm trying to build the module but I dont know where to firmware files. I installed the ivtv-source package in the repos, and extracted them in /usr/src... help?
[12:07] <moolcool_> how do i change back to the old splash screen?
[12:07] <cge> variant: I'm talking about something completely different.
[12:08] <LjL> moolcool_: to change the splashscreen, i think it's "sudo dpkg-reconfigure usplash", or possibly "sudo dpkg-reconfigure usplash-theme-ubuntu"
[12:08] <dcraven> AngryElf, np
[12:08] <leofender> Variant!
[12:08] <variant> cge: ok, explain
[12:08] <cge> variant: Deleting /.hidden won't break anything
[12:08] <moolcool_> ok thx
[12:08] <cge> variant: I don't mean ~/.hidden
[12:08] <variant> cge: yes it will.. (firefox for example
[12:08] <noldon> nomasteryoda u were right it did restarted but the programs i installed didnt get into the meny
[12:08] <Dragonfire1> oh okay assumed you had to have two swaps
[12:08] <Dragonfire1> I will look at that
[12:08] <leofender> hey variant, are you there?
[12:08] <delight> oh you right .. there is a .hidden file
[12:08] <variant> cge: by break i mean remove your config etc
[12:08] <DarkMageZ> mamzers555, bug confirmed. congrats :)
[12:08] <cge> variant, delight: I mean the literal file /.hidden. It causes nautilus and konqueror to hide things listed in that file.
[12:08] <vgoltser> have fun everyone ...
[12:08] <variant> cge: so, explain what you do mean
[12:08] <leofender> how can I do for chat using the console
[12:09] <j0sh-> anybody else having problems with upgrading?
[12:09] <variant> cge: i have neverheard of that
[12:09] <LjL> !hidden-root | variant, delight, cge
[12:09] <ubotu> variant, delight, cge: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[12:09] <variant> cge: so rm /.hidden
[12:09] <DarkMageZ> mamzers555, have you filed it? would you like to file it, or should i
[12:09] <j0sh-> once i restarted, nothing worked at all :P said video errors, but yet i couldnt get a shell, or anything to try to fix it
[12:09] <variant> LjL: how annoying!
[12:09] <cge> variant: Yes. But it only is there in kubuntu, as a new "feature"
[12:09] <variant> LjL: i dont use kubuntu
[12:09] <Dragonfire1> I will go try this taka a look
[12:09] <mamzers555> DarkMageZ; you can do if you like
[12:09] <valberg> cge, it worked :) thanks a lot... you just saved my sleep :)
[12:09] <variant> cge: yeah, isee why that would annoy you
[12:09] <LjL> variant: i'm unsure whether it's really a kubuntu-only feature, actually
[12:09] <noldon> leofender irssi
[12:09] <variant> ok
[12:09] <mamzers555> DarkMageZ; i think i won't
[12:09] <Dragonfire1> thanks
[12:09] <LjL> variant: (though i do use kubuntu, so i can't be sure either way)
[12:10] <cge> LjL: It is only there if you install kubuntu-desktop, if I recall correctly.
[12:10] <LjL> cge: but then also affects Gnome?
[12:10] <delight> yes .. i found it its the sym-link in / called .hidden linking to /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root ... its a nice idea ... but it would be nice if the tree-view on the left in konqueror would still sync then even when I'm in hidden folders
[12:10] <leofender> hey
[12:10] <leofender> what's irssi?
[12:10] <cge> LjL: Yes. Both konqueror and nautilus respect .hidden files, but kubuntu puts the .hidden file in /
[12:10] <noldon> anyone here that knows how i can solve my problem
[12:11] <DarkMageZ> mamzers555, that's a cute little bug you found. i'll file it sometime today after checking for duplicates
[12:11] <ryanakca> leofender: irssi is a command line irc client
[12:11] <delight> besides that I liked the idea of hidding most of the system .. as u usually don't need to access all the time .. esp for "normal" users ;)
[12:11] <cge> noldon: What is your problem?
[12:11] <LjL> cge: i'm wondering how long the support for this /.hidden file has been in Gnome and KDE (without it being used by Ubuntu)
[12:11] <dnite> ok. I haven't had any problems before today, but Firefox has just frozen my computer solid about 6 times now. My mouse still moves. The system still works in the background (i unplugged a harddrive and got messages that said i should have hit eject), but the system doesn't respond to the mouse or keyboard at all.. anyone else run into this problem? The only thing that changed today was an adblock plus update in firefox..
[12:11] <leofender> I have started it
[12:11] <leofender> but I do not know how to use it
[12:11] <mamzers555> DarkMageZ; ok, bye
[12:11] <leofender> could you help me please?
[12:11] <cge> LjL: Quite a while. I recall hearing about it during the early days of nautilus.
[12:11] <leofender> if you want to
[12:11] <mamzers555> DarkMageZ; i have to go
[12:12] <LjL> dnite: well, in case you don't know, you can (hopefully) restart the X server by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Backspace. then i don't know about your problem
[12:12] <Jestre> Anyone know if EAP_FAST authentication is finally included in wpa_supplicant on Edgy?
[12:12] <DarkMageZ> mamzers555, cya
[12:12] <cge> LjL: It has probably been there since nautilus was being released by that company whose name I now forget.
[12:12] <Halpo> is the desktop environment built into the OS when its distributed?
[12:12] <noldon> cge some of the programs i install does not adding to the application menu
[12:12] <LjL> cge: <offtopic> then if it's been there for that long, and never been used since, perhaps there's a reason why it's never been used</offtopic>
[12:12] <leofender> ok
[12:12] <cge> noldon: Have you tried restarting the panel, with killall gnome-panel?
[12:13] <valberg> where do i find the xorg log file *?
[12:13] <savvas> Halpo: if you choose the desktop version, yes
[12:13] <valberg> ?*
[12:13] <leofender> thatks anyways
[12:13] <leofender> I'll look the answer in google.com
[12:13] <cafuego> valberg: in /var/log
[12:13] <leofender> lol
[12:13] <vidd> halpo: no, it is a program that runs on top of the operating system
[12:13] <dnite> LjL, I actually haven't tried to restart the x server with ctrl alt backspace.. i've tried alt f4, alt f2, alt f1..  and i've tried to get to another console with ctrl alt f1. nothing responds..
[12:13] <LjL> Halpo, how do you define "built into the OS"? yes, the Ubuntu CD comes with Gnome shipped and it'll install it by default, and similarly does the Kubuntu CD with KDE
[12:13] <leofender> hey
[12:13] <cge> leofender: Ah. Look for the irssi website, and I believe there is a tutorial.
[12:13] <Halpo> i mean is there a way to setup a system that starts up linux, and then when a user login it runs with there setting for desktop environment
[12:13] <noldon> cge yes
[12:14] <cge> noldon: What programs aren't showing up?
[12:14] <Halpo> or is it not that abstracted from the OS
[12:14] <LjL> dnite: *shrugs* try uninstalling that adblock thing. i don't really know :-\
[12:14] <leofender> could somebody tell me what's the partition software for kde?
[12:14] <silox> I have a Dell Dimension 8100 with an extra screen connected to the monitor port ( the primary lcd screen is disabled) now i have a TV Out SVIDEO contact on the laptop too, but how do i make my box to send a clone of my desk to the TV? OR any image at all.. I have Nvidia drivers installed..
[12:14] <leofender> thanks noldon
[12:14] <vidd> halpo yes....install all the desktop environment
[12:14] <delight> !hidden-root
[12:14] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[12:14] <rob2929> hi, i just asked this, but my irc program had quit due to shareware expiration. so i deleted my linux partition but my ntfs still boots with grub, and i need to use my windows install CD, i have gotten this far, what should i do with it?
[12:14] <LjL> Halpo: you mean, have users select their preferred desktop environment? of course.
[12:14] <noldon> cge some games i just installed dont remember all of them
[12:14] <cge> noldon: Just some of them will do.
[12:14] <leofender> could somebody tell me what's the partition software for kde?
[12:15] <j0sh-> the new upstart worked, but i never got a terminal, i just got a weird looking error, everything was X's (xserver error), but i couldnt get a terminal to fix anything :/
[12:15] <LjL> Halpo: just have the user click on the Options button in the login screen, and select KDE (or Gnome) before they login. it'll stick for next logins
[12:15] <lupine_85> leofender: fdisk ? ;)
[12:15] <vidd> halpo on boot up, you should be able to choose witch desktop environment you want to run
[12:15] <lupine_85> otherwise qparted
[12:15] <noldon> cge but none of them have
[12:15] <lupine_85> !qparted
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <LjL> Halpo: of course, you'll need to have the relevant desktop environments installed
[12:15] <LjL> !qtparted | lupine_85
[12:15] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu11 (edgy), package size 202 kB, installed size 716 kB
[12:15] <leofender> ahh yes
[12:15] <cge> noldon: I mean, if you could give me the names of the ones you remember. Were they from the package manager, or somewhere else?
[12:15] <leofender> just like MS DOShaha
[12:15] <leofender> thank you
[12:15] <lupine_85> ah, alrighty
[12:15] <pipak_> hello, could someone help me with a problem with debootstrap? :)
[12:16] <cge> pipak_: Yes :)
[12:16] <lupine_85> leofender: linux fdisk is a lot more powerful
[12:16] <nashnash> how can i set my pc (xsane,kooka .. any scanning prog) to scan on black and white and not making the background of the scan blue? Thanks!
[12:16] <lupine_85> if you're not sure, probably best to use the (yuck) GUI frontend
[12:16] <cge> lupine_85: Actually, I don't think it is.
[12:16] <leofender> linux itself is a lot more powerfull
[12:16] <Halpo> so when you boot the OS you want from the bootloader, when the ubuntu screen comes up and starts loading drivers, etc., where would you select?
[12:16] <cge> lupine_85: parted is probably more powerful though.
[12:16] <LjL> lupine_85, leofender: "cfdisk" is a bit of a middle ground between the user-unfriendly fdisk and the bells-and-whistles GUI programs like QTParted and GParted
[12:16] <lupine_85> cge: I never saw windows fdisk let you set partition type the way linux fdisk does
[12:16] <savvas> Halpo: you can run a desktop environment with startx, now to specifically adjust it to run for each user, i don't really know, :\
[12:17] <cge> lupine_85: Oh, I thought you were comparing qparted and fdisk.
[12:17] <rob2929> can anyone help, i removed my linux partition and my windows starts with "grub" but wont boot, how do i restore it?
[12:17] <noldon> in synaptic and one of them was 3dchess
[12:17] <lupine_85> I also never saw it sync the partition table without needing a reboot ;)
[12:17] <lupine_85> erm, no, just the fdisks :)
[12:17] <cge> lupine_85: The obviously the linux fdisk is more powerful, yes. Sorry for misunderstanding you.
[12:17] <LjL> rob2929: reinstall Ubuntu, or if you don't want to do that, use the "fixmbr" command from the Windows restore CD's console mode
[12:18] <cge> pipak_: What problem are you having with deboostrap?
[12:18] <rob2929> LjL, thank you  I will try that
[12:18] <messi> hi, how is best kubuntu or ubuntu
[12:18] <dkr> What does a dash mean in a checkbox? (as opposed to a check mark or blank)  (trying out the "software sources" tool, which also defaulted to slovenia for download source for some strange reason(sources.list has us.archive.ubuntu)
[12:18] <leofender> I'll try with fdisk
[12:18] <PPAAUULL> My boot splash doesn't show up can it be fixed?
[12:18] <LjL> !best | messi
[12:18] <ubotu> messi: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[12:18] <leofender> ahh
[12:18] <macphil> hi, does anyone know the standart option for an raid0 from 6.06 alternate chunk-size ?
[12:18] <noldon> cge and gnuchess
[12:18] <lupine_85> messi: KDE :p
[12:18] <lupine_85> Linus Torvalds says so, so it must be true ;)
[12:18] <leofender> I've got to compile a C program, but I have to compile it using borlan for windows
[12:18] <LjL> leofender: why?
[12:19] <lupine_85> leofender: they have a version of C++ builder for linux
[12:19] <lupine_85> that might work
[12:19] <leofender> because in y university they use windows
[12:19] <cge> messi: Asking that is like asking what religion is best, and can result in the same sorts of hostility.
[12:19] <savvas> messi: kubuntu has kde, a lot of sexy features, and gnome is good and not so full-of-apps.. your choice actually, but kde has more eye-candy :p
[12:19] <leofender> yeah
[12:19] <leofender> butr I don't wanna pay
[12:19] <lupine_85> otherwise, if it compiles with ANSI C, you should be fine with gcc
[12:19] <Landon> Hey all, How do you set up ubuntu so that I can see a windows network? I have already done sudo apt-get install samba and it's already gone through that, I'm trying to figure out the next step. The windows network is already up, now I just need to get into it
[12:19] <leofender> yes
[12:19] <lupine_85> personal edition of kylix is "free"
[12:19] <lupine_85> but only as in beer
[12:19] <leofender> but I cannot use CONIO.H in gcc
[12:19] <cge> noldon: Gnuchess won't show up because it is a console program, if I recall.
[12:19] <macphil> or is ther a posiblilty to get my old softraid settings autoanalysed
[12:19] <Halpo> why are programs separated by desktop environment as well....meaning...why are there different software distributed with kubuntu and ubuntu
[12:19] <cge> noldon: Try running it in a terminal.
[12:19] <lupine_85> leofender: you can
[12:20] <leofender> how?
[12:20] <nashnash> Landon go to system -> administration -> shared folders
[12:20] <lupine_85> you just need to specify the path to the include
[12:20] <leofender> i tried
[12:20] <baconbacon> Landon: using nautilus, smb://myhost/myshare
[12:20] <LjL> leofender: no you can't, because "CONIO.H" is not a standard ANSI C header, and it's basically only supported under MS-DOS for all i know
[12:20] <leofender> ahh
[12:20] <cge> noldon: And the others might not show up because they are in universe and not properly configured to show up.
[12:20] <leofender> sdo I was right
[12:20] <savvas> Halpo: because ubuntu is based on gnome, and kubuntu on kde desktop
[12:20] <baconbacon> Landon: or complete: smb://user@myhost/myshare
[12:20] <leofender> but how can I do to use some functions as getch();
[12:20] <LjL> lupine_85, no, there's no such thing as a conio.h in standard C -- the closest thing we have in Linux is probably curses
[12:20] <lupine_85> really?! ee had
[12:20] <lupine_85> gad*
[12:20] <savvas> Halpo: each desktop has different apps and ways to support them
[12:20] <noldon> yeah it was
[12:20] <lupine_85> curses != conio
[12:20] <leofender> because they will run my program in windows
[12:20] <pipak_> cge: basically I'm trying to install ubuntu with debootstrap, unfortunately I feel something is quite wrong: when I invoke the command with debootstrap --arch i386 edgy /target (name of the webserver), it says retrieving release, then package, then validating packages, resolving dependencies of required packages and then of base packages and it stop there
[12:20] <noldon> how about 3dchess
[12:20] <LjL> leofender: you don't, you use different functions
[12:20] <leofender> and I want to get an A+
[12:21] <leofender> ok
[12:21] <LjL> lupine_85: i said "the closest", not "the same thing"
[12:21] <Halpo> yeah....but how does the desktop environment affect a programs operation
[12:21] <lupine_85> nothing like, IIRC :D
[12:21] <leofender> but these functions won't work with borland
[12:21] <LjL> leofender: no they won't
[12:21] <cge> pipak_: What do you mean by stop?
[12:21] <lupine_85> mind you, I never was much of a C wizard
[12:21] <leofender> at least I make my own getch();
[12:21] <noldon> or xearth
[12:21] <cge> pipak_: Does it exit, or freeze?
[12:21] <lupine_85> leofender: you could use C++ :p
[12:21] <leofender> and I don't want to
[12:21] <Halpo> is it just libraries for the setting up the graphics and such?
[12:21] <pipak_> cge: by stop I mean it doesn't fetch anything, just exits
[12:21] <leofender> haha
[12:21] <leofender> no
[12:21] <lupine_85> cin and cout are your friends
[12:21] <savvas> Halpo: i'm not an expert, but i know desktops differ in libraries and window managers
[12:22] <cge> pipak_: There is nothing in /target?
[12:22] <leofender> I don't know object oriented programming
[12:22] <lupine_85> you don't have to
[12:22] <leofender> I'll learn it next year
[12:22] <MenZa> Could anyone tell me how I change the language of X? I installed the language I wish to change to.
[12:22] <pipak_> cge: I removed everything, yes
[12:22] <nashnash> someone knows a scanning program besides xsane and kooka ?
[12:22] <lupine_85> C++ is C with some optional bells and whistles
[12:22] <Halpo> so desktop environments, window managers, programs are not necessarily modular
[12:22] <LjL> leofender: have a look at here http://www.ozzu.com/ftopic32782.html    there appears to be a conio -> ncurses wrapper (lupine_85 too, FYI)
[12:22] <lupine_85> Mind you, C++ Builder for Windows runs under wine
[12:22] <cge> pipak_: Are you sure it didn't actually install everything? Debootstrap only installs the absolute minimum.
[12:23] <leofender> ahh
[12:23] <leofender> wine
[12:23] <leofender> you're right
[12:23] <lupine_85> version 3 here
[12:23] <leofender> hey
[12:23] <LjL> leofender: though it gives me a 404. but search for "linux-conio-1.02.tgz" on google, finds a few
[12:23] <LjL> leofender: or search for "linux-conio" even
[12:23] <pipak_> cge: yes but not enough to chroot into it I think :(
[12:23] <leofender> what language do I have to know in order to program graphical aplications for linux?
[12:23] <leofender> using xlib
[12:23] <leofender> C?
[12:23] <lupine_85> any, really
[12:23] <leofender> or C++?
[12:23] <cge> pipak_: So if you run it, and then try to chroot into it, what happens?
[12:23] <LjL> leofender: either.
[12:24] <lupine_85> there are bindings for all the major (and even some minor) languages
[12:24] <lupine_85> even Pascal :p
[12:24] <Landon> nashnash: After I go to shared folders, I still can not see any other window's PC's
[12:24] <macphil> ah i give evms a try and it seems there is a chance to get my data back
[12:24] <savvas> python.. hsss
[12:24] <leofender> wich one?
[12:24] <lupine_85> Ubuntu preferred language is python though, for some unknown reason
[12:24] <LjL> lupine_85: god forbid
[12:24] <Pupeno> what was the command to pick the alternatives in /etc/alternatives ?
[12:24] <lupine_85> I know... use object pascal instead :p
[12:24] <pipak_> cge: no /bin/bash, there's only debootstrap, dev, etc and var directories that have been created
[12:24] <MenZa> Could anyone tell me how I change the language of X? I installed the language I wish to change to. Noone?
[12:24] <earthian> can somebody compile wine on 64bit ubuntu and add it to the universe repositories?
[12:24] <baconbacon> lupine_85: Shuttleworth built his company on python (thawte)
[12:24] <cge> pipak_: Oh!
[12:24] <lupine_85> baconbacon: don't mean it's great though :p
[12:24] <cge> pipak_: Could you dump the output to a webpage or to #flood?
[12:24] <nashnash> Landon u're not supposed to see ur network there, u need to set there on "General properties" Your network name
[12:24] <savvas> lupine_85: it's not strange, it's because it's more user-oriented than only object-oriented :P
[12:24] <LjL> earthian: not the right place i think. you could possibly ask on the MOTU channel
[12:25] <wimpies> How can I listen to streamed media on amazon.com ? amarok does not seem to do it ...
[12:25] <lupine_85> bill gates build his empire on... wait for it... basic
[12:25] <nashnash> and after u set ur network name there u can go to Places ---> network servers
[12:25] <baconbacon> lupine_85: it was an obvious choice for him i guess
[12:25] <leofender> so I cannot program with xlib in C
[12:25] <lupine_85> leofender: you can
[12:25] <LjL> leofender: YES you can
[12:25] <leofender> how?
[12:25] <lupine_85> you can program with xlib in any language at all
[12:25] <LjL> leofender: by doing it?
[12:25] <leofender> haha
[12:25] <leofender> yeah
[12:25] <LjL> leofender: just about every program for Gnome is written in C
[12:25] <leofender> I need to learn from a tutorial
[12:25] <LjL> (and most others, as well)
[12:25] <lupine_85> it's a bit complicated to explain all the functions to you, though
[12:25] <pipak_> cge: the output of debootstrap? yes I can copy it to #flood
[12:25] <delight> cge variant : i think the best solution for ppl not beeing happy with the hidden-root thingy is to just: sudo su - ; cd / ; mv .hidden .hidden-root ; touch .hidden ... because of restoring the file when updating  kubuntu-desktop-setting ... this way you rename the link and can still have it ... for the case u like to re-enable
[12:25] <leofender> and for KDE?
[12:25] <moolcool_> i installed xbuntu and kbuntu on top of my original ubuntu, can i delete it?
[12:25] <cge> pipak_: Yes.
[12:25] <lupine_85> you call XCreateWindow and go from there, IIRC
[12:26] <cge> delight: It restores the file!?
[12:26] <LjL> leofender: perhaps http://tronche.com/gui/x/
[12:26] <lupine_85> KDE is usually done in C++ (i.e. the Qt interface)
[12:26] <cge> delight: That should be a bug.
[12:26] <leofender> ok
[12:26] <leofender> thanks
[12:26] <kgklrcia> yo yo yo
[12:26] <lupine_85> just hack around and have fun :)
[12:26] <mo79> Hi, can someone help me out on installing a Canon iP1500 printer (on Dapper?) I've been trying to follow this page, but the command 'sudo alien -k bjfil*i386.rpm' leads to 'File "bjfil*i386.rpm" not found.'
[12:26] <dou213> moolcool_, yes, sudo apt-get remove kubuntu
[12:26] <mo79> http://www.macewan.org/2006/08/23/canon-ip1500-on-ubuntu-linux/
[12:26] <savvas> moolcool_: i think so, reinstalling the ubuntu-desktop package?
[12:27] <delight> cge : no the /.hidden is a sym-link ... and if you edit it it might get restored on update of  kubuntu-desktop-setting
[12:27] <leofender> thank you guys
[12:27] <mcphail> leofender: buy a copy of "beginning linux programming"
[12:27] <moolcool_> i much prefer gnome
[12:27] <Landon> nashnash: After I go into Add on shared folders settings, it sets my my shared folder, after I go to General Windows sharing settings, I'm lost, what is a WINS server? I just want to be able to see the windows netword
[12:27] <Lobster> bye
[12:27] <moolcool_> i want to keep everything but u/kbuntu
[12:27] <Landon> *network
[12:27] <leofender> Bye! thanks for yours nice words ;) jajajaja
[12:27] <cge> delight: Oh dear. I'll have to look into that.
[12:27] <savvas> moolcool_: sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment
[12:27] <baconbacon> mo79: other url which you may have seen : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=248745
[12:27] <moolcool_> ok
[12:27] <moolcool_> thx
[12:28] <delight> cge: no biggy .. but just said so because I'm not that often in that channel .. and for the next guy, you know ;)
[12:28] <cge> pipak_: Hmm... it looks like it is downloading the packages correctly, but have you tried using the main server?
[12:28] <mo79> thanks i'll have a look at that
[12:28] <kgklrcia> yo how can i download shit from here?
[12:28] <nashnash> Landon dont set a wins server
[12:28] <nashnash> just set ur network name on:
[12:28] <abo> since I upgraded to Edgy I can't get the video stream on bbc (and other news websites) to show
[12:28] <LjL> !language | kgklrcia
[12:28] <ubotu> kgklrcia: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:28] <nashnash> Domain \ workgroup:
[12:28] <cge> kgklrcia: Err, since I take it you don't actually want to download that, what is it you want to download>
[12:29] <kgklrcia> lol iight wtvr
[12:29] <Pockets> http://felipe-alfaro.org/blog/2006/09/06/ubuntu-edgy-ati-fglrx-dri-3d-acceleration-and-xorg-composite-extension/
[12:29] <Falstiu1> mo79: it doesn't work because the wget line has a bad url in it.
[12:29] <nashnash> btw Landon you should check the forums ubuntuforums.org there are tooones of threads about networking
[12:29] <abo> can anyone help me fixing the websites embeded videos? I tried automatix, and tried to reinstall players and plugins... no joy I must be doing something wrong
[12:29] <pipak_> cge: i tried two other mirrors, although I don't think it was from the main server
[12:29] <LjL> kgklrcia: wha?
[12:29] <Landon> nashnash: Thanks, I'll try that
[12:29] <nashnash> ;)
[12:30] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell abo about automatix
[12:30] <kgklrcia> fukc!
[12:30] <mo79> oh...where can I get a good url (noob alert, sorry!)?
[12:30] <kgklrcia> shit!
[12:30] <kgklrcia> miotherfucker!
[12:30] <ProtonBart> my ubuntu wifi works at last
[12:30] <gu014> hello, i get the following error with tovid 0.28 '/usr/local/bin/tovid-init: 299: Syntax error: Bad substitution' would anyone be able to help me out?
[12:30] <abo> LjL, I already installed automatix... it didn't fix that
[12:31] <ProtonBart> all i did was disable my WPA
[12:31] <LjL> abo: which does not surprise me in the least.
[12:31] <cge> pipak_: One minute.
[12:31] <LjL> !automatix
[12:31] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[12:31] <abo> ok... I tried removing realplayer and reinstalling it using synaptic and yet it doesn't work
[12:31] <savvas> abo: try installing the w32codecs it has in its lists
[12:31] <moolcool_> i did the sudo apt-get remove kbuntu and it said package not fond
[12:31] <delight> cge one last thing its kubuntu-default-settings not kubuntu-desktop-settings ! my mistake
[12:32] <vidd> LjL ty for booting the cuss master
[12:32] <abo> savvas, the codecs do work properly, I can play wmv files and other video/audio files, it's only the firefox plugins that are not working
[12:32] <Landon> nashnash: Sorry, last question, under host description it says Server(samba,ubuntu), but isn't the host windows?
[12:32] <moolcool_> i did the sudo apt-get remove kbuntu and it said package not fond
[12:33] <Landon> nashnash: For domain/workgroup I put in my networks name
[12:33] <nashnash> why the host need to be windows? u r using ubuntu arent u? :p
[12:33] <pipak_> cge: sure :)
[12:33] <ukubuntu> That is an interesting automatix text, I saw on the Planet about automatix being more integrated in Feisty, I will get a link
[12:33] <nashnash> yes put there ur network name
[12:33] <Landon> Yeah, but the router is set up on a windows PC
[12:33] <dou213> moolcool_, because the package name is kubuntu
[12:33] <LjL> ukubuntu: integrated? sure.
[12:33] <ProtonBart> god isnt ubuntu just the best OS ever
[12:33] <ryanakca> LjL: heh, even with 0 in it, it's much much faster...
[12:33] <nashnash> Landon, it doesnt matter
[12:33] <nashnash> i use router too
[12:33] <cge> pipak_: Ok, I'm back.
[12:33] <ProtonBart> :)
[12:33] <j-swim> Please Anyone, I need some help getting my Happauge PVR-150 working, I've setup ivtv drivers and isntalled, and modprobed, dmesg output looks correct, yet when I try to view using TVtime application it says "Cannot open capture device /dev/video0"
[12:33] <quintin> ProtonBart: no.
[12:33] <nashnash> and i my decription is ubuntu,samba too
[12:33] <gu014> ProtonBart, ehh..6.10 is treating me horrible so far
[12:33] <gu014> horribly
[12:34] <baconbacon> !info samba-client edgy
 god isnt ubuntu just the best OS ever
[12:34] <Landon> nashnash: Okay, I put in the router name, host is the same, but I still can't see the window's PC files
[12:34] <ubotu> Package samba-client does not exist in edgy
[12:34] <baconbacon> !info smbclient edgy
[12:34] <ubotu> smbclient: a LanManager-like simple client for Unix. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 3357 kB, installed size 8668 kB
[12:34] <nashnash> too bad it has some little problems like printing,scanning
[12:34] <nashnash> :(
[12:34] <ukubuntu> http://www.netsplit.com/blog/articles/2006/10/30/automatix-and-upgrading
[12:34] <savvas> abo: did you try installing packages totem-mozilla or mozilla-plugin-vlc ?
[12:34] <nashnash> Landon
[12:34] <cge> pipak_: You could try using the main ubuntu.com server.
[12:34] <nashnash> you checked on Places --> Network servers/
[12:34] <cge> pipak_: It is possible that the mirrors don't have the right files.
[12:34] <nashnash> ?
[12:35] <moolcool_> i tried sudo apt-get remove kubuntu this time and it still said package not fond
[12:35] <LjL> ryanakca: trying 0 as well, just for curiosity... though i'll turn off the computer during the night, and i don't do much background stuff at all, so i'm not sure i'll see a difference
[12:35] <fatlip> how do i get shift-backspace to stop killing my x session again?
[12:35] <Landon> nashnash: There it is!
[12:35] <Landon> nashnash: Thanks a lot!
[12:35] <abo> savvas, I have totem-mozilla installed
[12:35] <abo> savvas, should I try reinstalling it?
[12:36] <n1gke> Good night folks time for some zzz's.
[12:36] <baconbacon> Landon: fyi, you dont have to install anything to get to windows (smb) shares, on ubuntu
[12:36] <pipak_> cge: I've just tried removing everything in /target and use http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, it doesn't change a thing :(
[12:36] <Pockets> baconbacon: But Komba helps.
[12:36] <LjL> fatlip: don't use xgl ;-)  seriously, go to #ubuntu-xgl for xgl help
[12:36] <ryanakca> LjL: or not... It's fast when you come back to it, but then, it slows down as you open stuff..
[12:36] <Kuberr> can you install java 5.0 on on amd64 for firefox?
[12:36] <ryanakca> LjL: I'll try setting it to ~30
[12:36] <nashnash> Landon np ;)
[12:36] <LjL> ryanakca: yeah, because it'll have less stuff cached, so libraries etc will be loaded from disk every time. you need to find a balance you like
[12:37] <cge> pipak_: Ok
[12:37] <fatlip> well i know its a simple command like modmap or something ijust forgot it.. didnt know it was xgl-specific ;)
[12:37] <Kuberr> jre-1_5_0_09-linux-i586.bin
[12:37] <moolcool_> i tried sudo apt-get remove kubuntu this time and it still said package not fond
[12:37] <LjL> ryanakca: after all, if people have been debating over this, there was probably a reason.  oh well no wait, this doesn't really mean anything ;)
[12:37] <cge> pipak_: I imagine that there is a verbose option, try running it with that enabled.
[12:37] <abo> savvas, I also have mozilla-plugin-vlc intalled
[12:37] <LjL> moolcool_: indeed, there is no such package. do you want to remove KDE?
[12:38] <ryanakca> variant: ok, I have a 1.68gb HD here, how do I make it that "super swap"? use QParted and partition it into two smaller swap spaces and then add something to my fstab?
[12:38] <moolcool_> yes!
[12:38] <moolcool_> and x
[12:38] <savvas> abo: close firefox, reinstall it and try again. if it doesn't work, close firefox, try the same procedure with the vlc plugin
[12:38] <LjL> moolcool_: the package name is kubuntu-desktop
[12:38] <moolcool_> oooh
[12:38] <moolcool_> ok
[12:38] <samuel> where can i find the md5sum of edgy for 64bit machines?
[12:38] <moolcool_> ill try that
[12:38] <pipak_> cge: with --verbose option, there's nothing more
[12:38] <Kuberr> is it possible to install java 5.0 on an amd64 for firefox?
[12:38] <savvas> abo: if that doesn't work, well.. dunno what else to suggest :\
[12:38] <Pockets> moolcool: No X at all?
[12:38] <abo> ok savvas, I'll do now and let you know
[12:38] <GIFRATE> I have a USB headset, How do I set it to be the default sound device?
[12:38] <LjL> moolcool_: for X, it's xserver-xorg, but i'm not sure removing it will really remove much of X at all, unless you installed from the server CD
[12:38] <ryanakca> moolcool_: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop won't uninstall the kubuntu apps
[12:38] <cge> moolcool_: That will only work if you are running edgy and did not upgrade from dapper.
[12:39] <deepskies> test
[12:39] <cge> ryanakca: It will if you have an edgy install and use apt-get autoremove
[12:39] <LjL> ryanakca: no, but if it's edgy and he installed it in edgy, he'll be able to "apt-get autoremove" to remove them, i think
[12:39] <LjL> cge: exactly
[12:39] <moolcool_> i dont want to want to remove the apps
[12:39] <ryanakca> ah, never knew about that one :)
[12:39] <cge> pipak_: There isn't? Oh dear.
[12:39] <LjL> moolcool_: then what on earth do you want to remove?
[12:39] <cge> ryanakca: For some reason, it isn't in the apt man page.  Are you running out of space in /target, perhaps? I suppose you could also try using strace to see if something is going wrong.
[12:41] <ProtonBart> im new to ubuntu what should i do now, that i got everythign i need working
[12:41] <cge> pipak_: Or there is something wrong with debootstrap. I'm trying it right now.
[12:41] <Pockets> ProtonBart: Find more stuff that doesn't work, and repeat the process all over again.
[12:41] <LjL> moolcool_: but again, removing kubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop will remove all the kubuntu-specific and xubuntu-specific applications respectively.
[12:41] <ProtonBart> any manuals for control and learning to install and configure stuff
[12:41] <ProtonBart> ?
[12:41] <Pockets> ProtonBart: That's the whole point in using Linux.
[12:41] <ProtonBart> IM if possible
[12:41] <moolcool_> got cha
[12:41] <moolcool_> thx
[12:41] <LjL> ProtonBart: http://help.ubuntu.com/community
[12:41] <noldon> what is "X root window"
[12:41] <GIFRATE> where can I change my default sound device?
[12:42] <xerophyte> does anybody know any good gui svn program??
[12:42] <LjL> noldon: the main window that takes all of your desktop and is the parent of all your other windows
[12:42] <pipak_> cge: I'm using debian floppy installer with deboostrap, I don't have any debug tool. About space there's around 7 Go free space
[12:42] <LjL> xerophyte: i know of KDESVN. i don't know of Gnome programs, nor can i find one in the repos
[12:42] <cge> pipak_: Oh, you are using the *debian* floppy installer?
[12:43] <cge> pipak_: Maybe it doesn't have the edgy scripts for debootstrap installed?
[12:43] <howieson26> hallo kann mir jemand sagen warum eer bei apt-get autoremove so sachen wie xorg entfernen will kann ich dsa machen?
[12:43] <LjL> !de | howieson26
[12:43] <ubotu> howieson26: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:43] <howieson26> de
[12:43] <Landon> Hey all, is there something special you have to do to make programs play .mp3 files? I'm tried using JUK and Noatun, but neither of them are playing my MP3s
[12:43] <howieson26> !de
[12:43] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:43] <cge> pipak_: What is in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts?
[12:43] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell Landon about mpe
[12:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mpe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:43] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell Landon about mp3
[12:43] <pipak_> cge: it's located in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts
[12:43] <vidd> landon: did you install win32codecs?
[12:44] <Landon> Not that I know of vidd
[12:44] <cge> pipak_: So you do have edgy in there?
[12:44] <vidd> landon that should be the first thing to tr
[12:44] <Landon> vidd: Where would I install that?
[12:44] <LjL> vidd: mp3 has nothing to do with win32codecs
[12:44] <LjL> !mp3
[12:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:44] <vidd> landon: fire up synaptic
[12:45] <Landon> vidd: Fired up
[12:45] <pipak_> cge: yes, there's edgy and I tried others than edgy, some of them get different output than edgy script but they don't install either
[12:45] <jvai> how on earth d oi use this alacarte thingy.. i wanted to remove firestarter from the internet section, but it removed it from admin also!, soo, i had to show for every place, the same w/ nmapfe
[12:45] <|Jackal|> help?  black screen after installing fglrx on edgy.  radeon 8500 (worked fine w/ dapper)  copying over the original xorg.conf of course fixes it.
[12:45] <LjL> Landon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-1340337f2ca1d0c54900935468515ba7630fcc59   specifically
[12:45] <cge> pipak_: I'd guess it is a problem with the floppy then.
[12:45] <vidd> landon: LjL says win32codecs will not help
[12:45] <cge> pipak_: What version of debootstrap is on it?
[12:45] <Landon> Oh
[12:46] <j0sh-> Hey, is anyone familliar with upgrading from Dapper Drake, to Edgy? somehow my machine lost power during the upgrade using the method on the website, Afterwords, i had alot of errors, but got it to finish upgrading, When i rebooted the machine, the new startup screen was shown, but afterwords their were errors with xorg, when i closed that, their was no way to get a terminal, i couldnt even switch tty's
[12:46] <pipak_> cge: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu7
[12:46] <cge> pipak_: So this is an ubuntu floppy?
[12:46] <vidd> Landon what app you have installed to play mp3's?
[12:46] <Landon> vidd: Noatun, Kaffeine, and JUK
[12:46] <GIFRATE> where can I change my default sound device? anyone?
[12:46] <Amaranth> jvai: That's a bug in the version of alacarte that was in Ubuntu 6.06. It's fixed in 6.10
[12:46] <music_man_nz> Hi. How can I set ubuntu to run the command line: "su /opt/lampp/lampp start" on start up?
[12:46] <LjL> vidd, can't we just try to follow the official howto before finding patches to problems that might not exist? ;-)
[12:47] <pipak_> cge: debootstrap has some ubuntu scripts included I think
[12:47] <Landon> LjL, I like that idea :-P
[12:47] <jvai> snap.. ty so much amaranth
[12:47] <LjL> music_man_nz: why "su"?
[12:47] <music_man_nz> because you need to run it as root
[12:47] <pipak_> cge: but the floppy itself is from debian
[12:47] <NemesisUK> GIFRATE, system>preferences>sound
[12:48] <maxflax> Is OSS built in the kernel as alsa is.. and is it used by Ubuntu by default?
[12:48] <ryanakca> lol
[12:48] <LjL> Landon: so try that. the howto hasn't been updated for Edgy yet, but installing gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly should still work i think
[12:48] <mcphail> music_man_nz: add it to root's crontab
[12:48] <music_man_nz> um
[12:48] <abo> savvas, it didn't work, but while playing around, I change the player to mplayer, and got this error: Video codec 'MS WMV 9 (win32)' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies, I checked apt-get install w32codecs, it said it's at the newest version
[12:48] <music_man_nz> how can I do that?
[12:48] <cge> pipak_: Hmm... it works for me
[12:48] <LjL> vidd: actually, i don't even know how it's done in Gnome, since i use KDE, it's just that trying the official documentation before anything else is normally a good idea
[12:48] <Landon> LjL, thanks, I'll try it
[12:48] <cge> pipak_: You could try using an Ubuntu LiveCD with debootstrap, which is what I did to install edgy.
[12:48] <mcphail> music_man_nz: sudo crontab -e -u root
[12:49] <music_man_nz> thanks. i'll try it out
[12:49] <cge> LjL: I can confirm that installing that will work.
[12:49] <LjL> Landon: of course, if you have Rythmbox open, you need to close it completely and restart it, for MP3 support to start working
[12:49] <LjL> Landon, see cge too
[12:49] <mcphail> music_man_nz: in the editor which appears type: @reboot /opt/lampp/lampp start
[12:49] <ryanakca> LjL: any idea on creating that super swap? (variant was telling me about it back when you were helping me)... two small swap partitions, and then you add a line in /etc/fstab and it acts like some sort of RAID thing...
[12:49] <Landon> LjL: Where can I add/remove programs, I don't seem to have that option anymore
[12:49] <pipak_> cge: I wish it was that simple, it's a laptop and unfortunately the cdrom reader doesn't work anymore... and I can't boot from usb natively
[12:49] <music_man_nz> mcphail: on a new line?
[12:50] <cge> pipak_: Ah, you are trying something difficult :)
[12:50] <vidd> the official documentation (none for edgy of course) does not help me get my BCM43xx wireles card to work =[
[12:50] <mcphail> music_man_nz: yes, then save the file
[12:50] <pipak_> cge: I guess, but I don't have many options :(
[12:50] <vidd> Landon you have synaptic up
[12:50] <vidd> use that
[12:50] <savvas> abo: maybe it's a copyrighted wmv, which i don't think ubuntu supports
[12:50] <music_man_nz> mcphail: thank you very much for your help :)
[12:50] <Landon> vidd: Thanks
[12:50] <abo> savvas, the bbc news video are copyrighted?
[12:51] <pipak_> cge: is there some kind of official ubuntu boot floppy for installation?
[12:51] <troxor> would someone refresh my memory on how to get the default gnome desktop back? moving ~/.gnome2 wasn't sufficient
[12:51] <vidd> can someone help me with that?
[12:51] <abo> savvas, can you try to play them yourself and let me know plz?
[12:51] <music_man_nz> how do I save lol
[12:51] <cge> pipak_: No, Ubuntu doesn't officially support debootstrap installations if I recall correctly.
[12:51] <cge> pipak_: But let me look at something else.
[12:52] <music_man_nz> got it
[12:52] <music_man_nz> seeya
[12:52] <savvas> abo: give me the link, i can try :)
[12:52] <ramvi> When I'm "in" Xgl, it uses the gnome-icons instead of the Human / ubuntu icons.. How do I correct this?
[12:52] <earthian> cge: debootstrap installation from normal does not differ
[12:52] <Geoffrey2> vidd, these instructions worked for me in getting broadcom up and running... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174&highlight=broadcom
[12:53] <cge> earthian: Err, what do you mean by that?
[12:53] <abo> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/help/3681938.stm
[12:53] <vidd> Geoffrey2  at this point i will try anything
[12:53] <sebastes> Can anybody recommend an iso mounting script for nautilus?
[12:53] <cge> pipak_: Hmm... I really don't know.
[12:54] <abo> savvas, best would be to go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/ and select any video
[12:54] <satempler> are the dri modules for ati installed in edgy by default
[12:54] <earthian> i mean that when you install using the base systam (debootstraping) and ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop you get ubuntu installation that you get by regular setup. u get same packages
[12:54] <vidd> Geoffrey2 did you do this for edgy?
[12:54] <abo> savvas, any video in video news
[12:54] <cge> pipak_: You might try asking on the mailing list.
[12:54] <LjL> ryanakca: yes, ive done that in the past, though i don't have that kind of setup now
[12:54] <pipak_> cge: allright, thanks for your help :)
[12:54] <amias> hi all
[12:54] <cge> earthian: The same packages, yes. But not the same /etc/fstab, and so on.
[12:54] <LjL> ryanakca: basically you just need to give the two partitions the same priority
[12:54] <cge> pipak_: You could also try...
[12:54] <earthian> ah
[12:54] <earthian> :)
[12:54] <earthian> you can always make fstab yourself
[12:54] <earthian> :)
[12:54] <sebastes> satempler: The DRI module seems to be having issues with the fglrx driver
[12:54] <B_166-ER-X> ok, i just installed edgy (harder than expected..)   but , i have no idea why, i have no sound at all (it was working as always on dapper before )     any idea?
[12:55] <LjL> Landon: it should be under Applications -- though that's a stripped-down version. in System / Administration / Synaptic (I think) you'll have the full thing
[12:55] <CactusSediento> Hello everybody.....i just finished doing the edgy upgrade and x does not run >>
[12:55] <LjL> Landon: but you can also just use "sudo apt-get install <packagename>" from a terminal
[12:55] <amias> there don't seem to be any  devices nodes in my initrd which is breaking bootup after an upgrade to edgy  , anyone know how to fix this ?
[12:55] <cge> pipak_: ... unpacking debootstrap from ubuntu onto a USB disk, then booting with a floppy distribution like tomsrbt and using that.
[12:55] <troxor> B_166-ER-X: what does alsamixer -c 0 do?
[12:55] <satempler> sebastes: I have a card that can use it or fglrx
[12:55] <satempler> i want to use it for fglrx
[12:55] <savvas> abo: sorry, doesn't work on mine :p i don't think i have any plugins installed though and i really won't because i don't use them a lot
[12:55] <Geoffrey2> vidd, no, I did this under dapper...the instructions say it SHOULD work under Edgy as well
[12:55] <Landon> LjL: Yeah, that's what I'll use. I'm trying to convert my music to Vorbis
[12:55] <Pockets> satempler: Can't get direct rendering working?
[12:56] <abo> savvas, ok thanks anyway
[12:56] <LjL> ryanakca: http://unthought.net/Software-RAID.HOWTO/Software-RAID.HOWTO-2.html
[12:56] <vidd> Geoffrey2 oh...my card worked fine in dapper, it dont work in edgy
[12:56] <Pockets> vidd: fglrx?
[12:56] <abo> savvas, just to note, it used to work on dapper before I upgraded to edgy
[12:56] <maxflax> Whats the diffrence between OSS and Alsa.. and is OSS installed in ubuntu or is that only the Alsa emulation of OSS?
[12:56] <vidd> Pockets ????
[12:56] <Geoffrey2> vidd, well, keep in mind you'd need to reinstall the firmware, since that doesn't ship with Ubuntu
[12:56] <Landon> LjL: Is there a way to play MP3's without converting them?
[12:56] <cge> maxflax: OSS is really old, ALSA is new and much better.
[12:57] <sebastes> satempler: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273934&highlight=fglrx+dri this seemed like it might be a solution
[12:57] <satempler> Pockets: want to try AIGLX
[12:57] <Landon> LjL: Converting worked, just don't want to convert ALL my must to Vorbis
[12:57] <pipak_> cge: I'll see what I can do :) Thanks again!
[12:57] <Landon> *music
[12:57] <NemesisUK> satempler, you cant use fglrx and aiglx
[12:57] <cge> pipak_: Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
[12:57] <vidd> Geoffrey2 i know that....i had to wipe my system clean cuzz the updater (i KNOW ITS BROKE NOW) trashed my system
[12:57] <LjL> ryanakca: the procedure (roughly) is 1) create a swap partition on the other drive, using gparted or cfdisk or whatever  2) use mkfs -t swap /dev/partition  to make the filesystem (gparted may do that for you i think)   3) add the entry in /etc/fstab, and give it the same priority as the other partition   4) reboot, or "sudo swapon -a"
[12:58] <vidd> So im working with a clean install
[12:58] <satempler> NemesisUK: thats why I want to use the ati driver
[12:58] <LjL> Landon: that wasn't what i was suggesting, at all. converting MP3 to Vorbis loses quality (though Vorbis itself is fine, it's just the conversion from MP3)
[12:58] <rummik> how do i skip a package?
[12:58] <vidd> and that was the guide i truied to use
[12:58] <NemesisUK> satempler, what card you got
[12:58] <B_166-ER-X> !paste
[12:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel.
 ALSA has many advantages.
[12:59] <satempler> NemesisUK: Radeon X200 I want to know if the dri modules are included in the kernel
[12:59] <maxflax> cge, I think I saw somewhere that OSS have 2 variants.. one that is free and one that costs money.. :/
[12:59] <SB|nblracer> so how do i save a file into hdc1
[12:59] <LjL> Landon: then just use your Rythmbox to listen to your MP3.
[12:59] <NemesisUK> satempler, yes
[12:59] <satempler> they do
[12:59] <mjr> satempler, if that's express 200, no DRI with that
[12:59] <LjL> SB|nblracer: first you need to mount it
[12:59] <satempler> ok
[12:59] <Landon> LjL: Well, let's give this one a try
[12:59] <LjL> !mount | SB|nblracer
[12:59] <ubotu> SB|nblracer: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[12:59] <SB|nblracer> LjL it is mounted
[12:59] <maxflax> cge, http://www.4front-tech.com/
[01:00] <satempler> OH ok that explains things
[01:00] <B_166-ER-X> troxor sorry, was looking fora way to showyou the screenshot wel... the command does what it supposed to i guess, but i dont know  what to look for
[01:00] <LjL> SB|nblracer: well then the problem is?
[01:00] <SB|nblracer> LjL from console how do i switch in to that drive
[01:00] <rummik> i'm in the middle of a dist upgrade, and flash is gumming up the works (how'd it get here, i don't know, but it's not getting past the "downloading" part that it likes to do when it installs the player...)
[01:00] <SB|nblracer> like in windows it is X:/
[01:00] <troxor> B_166-ER-X: just whatever card it's using by default... so long as a mic or webcam didn't take the first audio slot
[01:00] <vidd> bcm43xx 127252 0
[01:00] <vidd> ieee80211softmac 33792 1 bcm43xx
[01:00] <vidd> ieee80211 35272 2 bcm43xx,ieee80211softmac
[01:00] <vidd> vidd@ubuntu:~$
[01:01] <cge> maxflax: Yes, I seem to recall that.
[01:01] <vidd> OH>>>>IVE BEEN GRABBED BY THE LAG MONSTER!!!!
[01:01] <LjL> !caps | vidd
[01:01] <ubotu> vidd: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[01:01] <LjL> !paste | vidd
[01:01] <ubotu> vidd: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:01] <sc0tt> O RLy
[01:01] <sc0tt> :P
[01:02] <LjL> SB|nblracer: "cd /media/hdc1" should work
[01:02] <ryanakca> LjL: kk, ty
[01:02] <SB|nblracer> thanks
[01:02] <vidd> sorry...hit cap lock on error
[01:02] <SB|nblracer> i know recall that LjL
[01:02] <swaby1> I can'tget my lexmark parallel printer to work even though it is listed in the ubuntu printer list
[01:02] <B_166-ER-X> troxor i still dont have sound and not more advanced on my problem :/
[01:02] <maxflax> cge, found a guide how to install OSS on ubuntu.. intresting.. maybe new OSS drivers can fix my sound problem
[01:02] <cge> maxflax: No, I doubt it.
[01:03] <LjL> SB|nblracer: "cd" in general is the command that lets you move around directories. and since mounted drives, in Linux, are simply treated as directories...
[01:03] <vidd> anyone have ideas?
[01:03] <crimsun> maxflax: HDA development isn't done on i810_audio
[01:03] <LjL> maxflax, OSS has been deprecated from the Linux kernel since a few years
[01:03] <geekchic9-1> What are is the hard drive requirement for Ubuntu 6.10? I want to install it on a laptop with a very small (3 GB) hard drive.
[01:03] <swaby1> I had trouble with sound with my onboard sound and replaced with a soundblaster sound and it worked
[01:03] <noone> hi I just installed ubuntu and my right <Alt> key is not working, this is a problem seeing as I am left handed. Anyone know how to correct this?
[01:03] <dooglus> geekchic9-1: 3GB is enough
[01:03] <LjL> geekchic9-1: 3Gb should do, but tight.
[01:04] <cge> geekchic9-1: What exactly do you want to install?
[01:04] <mcphail> geekchic9-1: you will need more than 3GB
[01:04] <geekchic9-1> thanks
[01:04] <geekchic9-1> more?
[01:04] <troxor> B_166-ER-X: what card is listed in alsamixer?
[01:04] <B_166-ER-X> !sound
[01:04] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer). If you are still having problems with sound, then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:04] <cge> geekchic9-1: Apparently, everyone has a different opinion...
[01:04] <LjL> geekchic9-1: 3Gb will be enough for the base install, but you won't have much space left
[01:04] <SB|nblracer> LjL one more question right now that drive is owned by root, should i change it to my username so, i dont have to move files using sudo through console
[01:04] <mcphail> geekchic9-1: you might get away with it if you don't use any swap space
[01:04] <SB|nblracer> this why i can use the gui?
[01:04] <B_166-ER-X> troxor i dont see that anywhere
[01:04] <dooglus> mcphail: even using 1GB for swap it's still enough
[01:04] <geekchic9-1> ugh, it will be very slow, mcphail
[01:05] <dooglus> mcphail: how big do you think ubuntu's base install is?  hint: it fits on 1 CD
[01:05] <troxor> B_166-ER-X: did you do that which !sound mentioned?
[01:05] <rummik> anyone know how to skip/restart the install of a package, without screwing with the rest of the packages?
[01:05] <amias> whats the current kernel version in edgy ?
[01:05] <mcphail> dooglus: i tried to install one on a 3 gig virtual machine. the install failed near the end with "insufficient space" or something
[01:05] <ryanakca> do you need to turn off a system to plug in a HD? (I'm guessing Yes, but, I've been wrong before)
[01:06] <livingtm_> 2.6.17
[01:06] <B_166-ER-X> troxor, yup .. and i changed the default to my SBlive! soundcard
[01:06] <watson540> hrm it seems ubuntus kernel doesnt like fbset
[01:06] <B_166-ER-X> still no sound
[01:06] <NemesisUK> ryanakca, if its internal yes
[01:06] <amias> livingtm_, thnx
[01:06] <crimsun> amias: <IP_ADDRESS> + patches
[01:06] <mcphail> dooglus: remember that .debs are compressed
[01:06] <swaby1> how do you get a wireless card to work in a laptop with ubuntu
[01:06] <dooglus> mcphail: I know, but not that much.
[01:06] <maxflax> crimsun, ok.. thouht I saw my driver on their list on their homepage.
[01:06] <noone> is this the ubuntu support room??
[01:06] <troxor> B_166-ER-X: volume levels, speakers plugged  in, etc? ;)
[01:06] <geekchic9-1> I guess the best way to find out is to install it. Thanks anyway, everyone.
[01:07] <cge> geekchic9-1: If it won't work, you can always try xubuntu
[01:07] <crimsun> B_166-ER-X: pastebin ``cat /proc/asound/cards /etc/asound.conf ~/.asoundrc* && amixer''
[01:07] <LjL> SB|nblracer: this page (and the paragraph that'll be shown by default specifically) should have some information for giving users access: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions#head-2a64a964ff8833576586c7216a1199f022c505a6
[01:07] <B_166-ER-X> troxor yup, and i was working in dapper a few hours ago..
[01:07] <|Jackal|> help?  after installing fglrx on edgy, the new xorg.conf file causes it to come up to a black screen.  (i can hear an error type bell at this point)  used to work fine in dapper.. any ideas?
[01:07] <vidd> has anyone successfully installed a bcm43xx driver/firmware in edgy?
[01:07] <rummik> swaby1, if it doesn't just work, you might want to try installing ndiswrapper
[01:07] <LjL> SB|nblracer: don't know if that's doable through the Gnome GUI mounter, as well
[01:07] <geekchic9-1> cge: True, but I'd really like it to use Ubuntu so everyone in the office uses the same thing.
[01:07] <swaby1> where can I get ndiswrapper?
[01:08] <noone> hi I just installed ubuntu and my right <Alt> key is not working, this is a problem seeing as I am left handed. Anyone know how to correct this?
[01:08] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell swaby1 about ndiswrapper
[01:08] <Seb> are w32codecs not in ubuntu at all ?
[01:08] <troxor> B_166-ER-X: have you played with the switches in the volume control?
[01:08] <B_166-ER-X> troxor http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/1051
[01:08] <troxor> B_166-ER-X: sometimes there's a digital out thing
[01:08] <dkr> oh, that's why my theme looked lame.  the upgrade removed some of the themes my custom theme had chosen parts from
[01:09] <B_166-ER-X> nope, i didnt touch anything ( i think)
[01:09] <rummik> LjL, i think ubotu is case sensitive ;)
[01:09] <kevb> anyone know why I'm having problems with sluggish flash on edgy??
[01:09] <vidd> kevb which version of flash?
[01:09] <NemesisUK> kevb, what version of flash
[01:09] <kevb> 9
[01:09] <dkr> 9beta, you mean, :)
[01:09] <noone> does anybodys right <Alt> key work?
[01:10] <kevb> yeah
[01:10] <vidd> kevb plugin or standalone?
[01:10] <kevb> plugin, firefox 2
[01:10] <troxor> B_166-ER-X: it looks like your default card is the SiS one (probably onboard)..  in sound preferences, is everything set to autodetect, or to your sblive?
[01:10] <dfr> hey, guys, has anyone played with xgl a bunch?
[01:10] <LjL> rummik: hehe, nope ;)
[01:10] <kevb> using nvidia drivers if that matters
[01:10] <crimsun> B_166-ER-X: asoundconf set-default-card Live
[01:10] <dfr> I dont seem to be able to make it run xorg on the display 93 =/
[01:10] <noone> zzz
[01:10] <vidd> noone   i never noticed b4....mine dont work either
[01:11] <noone> wtf??
[01:11] <rummik> LjL, oh yeah, i forgot that ubotu pm's the user...
[01:11] <rummik> it's been a while since i've been here, you'll have to forgive me ;)
[01:11] <B_166-ER-X> sound preference ? troxor ?
[01:11] <dooglus> kevb: flash is designed for Windows primarity.  the Linux player is crappy.
[01:11] <vidd> noone....did you try to configure your keyboard?
[01:11] <reiki> if I have Dapper installed on sda1 and Edgy was installed separately to hda1, can I take the grub menu.list items from the one on the Edgy install, paste them into the menu.list on the Dapper install and therefore be able to boot to either one without messig with my bios boot order?
[01:11] <crimsun> B_166-ER-X: just execute the command I gave you
[01:11] <B_166-ER-X> in 'sound' i have everything autodetect
[01:12] <BlueEagle> noone: my Alt Gr key works fine.
[01:12] <B_166-ER-X> crimsun dit
[01:12] <B_166-ER-X> i did
[01:12] <crimsun> B_166-ER-X: now pastebin ``amixer''
[01:12] <noone> vidd: yea thru gnome-control-center
[01:12] <crimsun> B_166-ER-X: since you forgot to paste that last time
[01:12] <kevb> dooglus: this i know, however performance has decreased in 9 for me, I'm wondering if I am alone or not
[01:12] <Zyfo> When I've got autohide on a panel I need to hold the mouse over it for a while until it shows. How can I decrease the time needed to show the panel?
[01:12] <vidd> noone were you able to keymap anything to it?
[01:12] <Geoffrey2> I installed Firefox 2 using the automated install script...everything seems to be working fine, but I can't make it locate Flash 7 from the repos....
[01:12] <noone> BlueEagle: what is Alt Gr?
[01:12] <kevb> perhaps it is not even a flash issue i am suffering
[01:12] <NemesisUK> dooglus, the linux player isnt crappy works fine on the machines Ive built
[01:12] <reiki> ack... back in a sec
[01:13] <B_166-ER-X> http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/1052 crimsun
[01:13] <BlueEagle> noone: That is the key directly to the left of my space key. Before the Super (Win) key, the win-menu key and the right ctrl key.
[01:13] <gouki> Geoffrey2 - I'm not sure you'll find Flash on the repositories. Download it from Macromedia site and install (simple script)
[01:14] <noone> BlueEagle: does the <Alt> key on the right of space key work?
[01:14] <gouki> Geoffrey2 - You can even go for the 9 BETA. I've heard it's pretty stable.
[01:14] <Geoffrey2> gouki, Flash 7 is in the repositories, flash 9 isn't, but that's very much a work in progress, and rather buggy
[01:14] <BlueEagle> noone: Yes, it works as it is intended to do on my keyboard layout (no-latin1)
[01:14] <RMorris84> i have 2 questions: one on my grub menu i have two kernels and at startup it boots the one i dont want, i want it to boot up the other one how do i do that? and second, what is a good bittorent program for ubuntu besides azeurus ?
[01:14] <noone> BlueEagle: ahh, I am us 105
[01:15] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I'm having trouble upgrading my version of qmake.  I can't install this program called cb2Bib until I do so
[01:15] <Geoffrey2> gouki, I had flash 9 installed previously, had to remove it because it kept totally freezing up Firefox
[01:15] <BlueEagle> noone: That might be a good thing to include when you actually ask the original question. ;)
[01:15] <LjL> RMorris84, i think in Gnome you can just click on a bittorrent link, and a graphical client will start up.
[01:15] <kitche> RMorris84: you select the kernel that you want booted but you can remove the kernel from menu.lst for the one that don't want
[01:15] <LjL> RMorris84: as for changing the default kernel, look at the /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[01:15] <gouki> RMorris84 - I recommend rTorrent - Text-based client!
[01:16] <RMorris84> kitche: thanks...
[01:16] <vidd> RMorris84 change the default to the correct number
[01:16] <jdsbluedevl> does anyone know hot to upgrade the Qt packages?
[01:16] <crimsun> B_166-ER-X: amixer set 'Sigmatel Surround' on && amixer set 'Sigmatel 4-Speaker Stereo' on && amixer set 'SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack' on && amixer set 'Wave Center' 80% && amixer set 'Wave LFE' 80% && amixer set 'Wave Surround' 80%
[01:16] <RMorris84> as for the bittorrent, i need something that will keep my torrents up for seeding
[01:16] <jdsbluedevl> b/c it seems like I have, but it doesn't work
[01:16] <RMorris84> like on startup...
[01:16] <RMorris84> and something that keeps track of ratio for me
[01:16] <BlueEagle> noone: Oh, and do note that the two alt-keys aren't neccessarily set up to do the same thing. However there should be ways to remidy that. Google for alter keymap xorg or something
[01:16] <kevb> night all
[01:16] <samuel> where can i find the md5sum of edgy for 64bit machines?
[01:16] <gouki> RMorris84 - rTorrent
[01:16] <B_166-ER-X> crimsun , done
[01:17] <LjL> samuel, on the same page where you download it
[01:17] <crimsun> B_166-ER-X: now play some music.
[01:17] <noone> BlueEagle: seems silly to have to do extra work to make an old keyboard work...   works fine in that other OS (winblows)
[01:17] <Keyseir> How do you uninstall software that was installed from source?
[01:17] <jaa6c6> hey does anyone know anything about setting up a raid5, i think i'm doing it right, i set up a raid 1 before but i can't get grub to install
[01:17] <str0ng> hello, can i install directly ubuntu.. without going into the live cd?
[01:17] <jdsbluedevl> if you installed it using checkinstall, sudo apt-get remove blah
[01:17] <troxor> Keyseir: good luck ;)
[01:17] <Werdna> hey, apt-get dist-upgrade reports serveral pacakges as "kept back". Why?
[01:17] <kitche> Keyseir: you still have the source?
[01:17] <LjL> Keyseir: go into the source directory, type "sudo make uninstall", and hope the programmer was kind.
[01:17] <jdsbluedevl> if you installed via makeinstall, a pain in the ass
[01:17] <crimsun> str0ng: use the alternate (text-based) installer
[01:18] <LjL> Keyseir: you could also use checkinstall for installing, next time
[01:18] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell Keyseir about checkinstall
[01:18] <str0ng> crimsun, ah ok.. thanks :)
[01:18] <samuel> LjL, its not there, the page seems to have changed somewhat, now theres a new "friendly" css menu
[01:18] <Landon> LjL: My MP3's work now, but my .avi files and other things like that I can't view in my media player, any nice fixes for that?
[01:18] <Werdna> Landon: apt-get install avidemux
[01:18] <Keyseir> thx
[01:19] <reiki> I have Edgy on hda1 completely separate from Dapper on sda1. Neither has a reference to the other in their respective grub menu.list. Can I now just manually edit the menu.list on the Dapper install's grub menu so that I have the option to boot Edgy instead?
[01:19] <Landon> Werdna: Thanks, hopefully that'll work
[01:19] <LjL> Landon, others will be able to help you better, since i don't have any video codecs installed. the same page i gave you for MP3 has info about other formats, too -- read it
[01:19] <B_166-ER-X> crimsun, ok, i have sound with videos, but still no in XMMS :/  weird, its set to  SBlive!
[01:19] <jdsbluedevl> next time, if you install something from source, use checkinstall
[01:19] <Landon> LjL: thanks
[01:19] <jdsbluedevl> anyways, anyone know how to upgrade qt?
[01:19] <crimsun> B_166-ER-X: in xmms, use the alsa output plugin, and configure it to use the 'default' output device, not hw:1,0 or hw:0,0
[01:19] <B_166-ER-X> crimsun, its ok, it works, thankx a lot
[01:20] <LjL> jdsbluedevl: "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:20] <Landon> Werdna: Still doesn't work
[01:20] <fydo> ew xmms :P
[01:20] <jaa6c6> anyone know why grub might not install in a raid5 setup, also lilo will not, am I not installing it to the right place?
[01:20] <jdsbluedevl> I think it's pretty much up to date
[01:20] <jaa6c6> it locks up at 50% and errors out
[01:20] <jaa6c6> or fails
[01:21] <jdsbluedevl> I'm getting this error though: uic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.6)
[01:21] <ramvi>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY DlesTie0
[01:21] <LjL> samuel: http://mirror.trivini.no/ubuntu-iso/edgy/  -- don't know why they've removed the direct link from the download page
[01:21] <Werdna> Landon: you need the codec for it
[01:21] <Werdna> ramvi: new nickserv password :-)
[01:21] <samuel> LjL, thanks!
[01:21] <ramvi> Right ;)
[01:21] <jdsbluedevl> what does that mean?
[01:21] <|Jackal|> lol
[01:21] <samuel> LjL, they removed it to make it more "user friendly"
[01:21] <edneymatias> hi all!
[01:21] <Werdna> who was that?
[01:21] <jdsbluedevl> if what I looked up was right, it means my qt compiler is too old
[01:22] <jdsbluedevl> but I have the qt4 stuff installed, I think
[01:22] <jdsbluedevl> although qmake -v shows the older version
[01:22] <LjL> samuel: hiding the md5sum doesn't seem too friendly to users to me, but anyway
[01:22] <troxor> jaa6c6: afaik, raid1 just duplicates one drive onto another... raid5 is a little more complicated
[01:23] <andy> anyone know why edgy upgrade causes excessive wireless packets?  wasn't the case w/ dapper..
[01:23] <jdsbluedevl> anyone have an idea?
[01:23] <jaa6c6> troxor: yea it seems to be working, it copys the files and installs but it fails on grub, maybe i can get help with the people taht work on grub
[01:24] <kitche> samuel: I think they removed it becuase they switched over to gpg from what I see from what I see
[01:25] <codecaine> hi I when I play a movie in mplayer there and go full screen the video is still small
[01:25] <codecaine> how can I fix that?
[01:25] <Pockets> "excessive wireless packets" ?
[01:25] <troxor> jaa6c6: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-107477.html
[01:25] <andy> yeah, it's an atheros adapter.
[01:25] <samuel> kitche, you still need an md5 though no?
[01:25] <Pockets> andy: I'm actually using an Atheros MiniPCI card with madwifi-ng, Edgy, and Enlightenment.
[01:25] <root> hi,
[01:25] <Pockets> It's not behaving odd at all.. ?
[01:25] <andy> ifconfig yields ath0 *and* wifi0.
[01:25] <edneymatias> hi, root
[01:26] <root> could somebody tell mi something :)?
[01:26] <Pockets> andy: Madwifi always makes wifi0 *and* athx
[01:26] <andy> all the superfluous packets are from the wifi0
[01:26] <chi0> does any 1 know hot to set up a ATI Radeon Xpress 200M w/ Kubuntu?
[01:26] <crimsun> andy: that's intentional.
[01:26] <rag> hello please, on 3ddeskd: Please configure hardware acceleration.
[01:26] <jaa6c6> troxor: thanks alot i'll check that out
[01:26] <Pockets> 3d acceleration for fglrx?
[01:26] <rag> how to configure hardware acceleration, on my lapto
[01:26] <rag> how to configure hardware acceleration, on my laptop
[01:26] <troxor> codecaine: try mplayer -vo xv <file>
[01:26] <[GuS] > Au revoir.... bonne nuit
[01:26] <andy> hmm, any idea why they weren't showing up in dapper?
[01:26] <root> i`ve lost in gnome my ikons and stripes i see only wallpaper what`s up?
[01:26] <reiki> ok let me make my question much shorter. Is there anything wrong with manually editting /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[01:27] <Pockets> reiki: No, that's the point in using Grub.
[01:27] <andy> btw, I'm using the gnome panel "system monitor"
[01:27] <chi0> Hello all
[01:27] <reiki> Pockets: kinda what I figured but it's been a while. thanks! :)
[01:27] <root> hello chi0
[01:27] <chi0> does any 1 know hot to set up a ATI Radeon Xpress 200M w/ Kubuntu?
[01:27] <root> has anybody suggest what i can do with gnome?
[01:27] <jdsbluedevl> anyone know anything about qt, or does anyone know of a room where I can get help?
[01:28] <root> shut I reinstall it or what?
[01:28] <Ingrix> Is anyone familiar with writing a configuration file for wpa_supplicant whose wireless card is operating through ndiswrapper?
[01:28] <RMorris84> what is the best GUI bittorrent program for ubuntu?
[01:28] <jaa6c6> troxor: thanks so much, i think that site gives me what I need to fix it
[01:28] <andy> Ingrix: I believe you need at least the version shipped w/ edgy for WPA & ndiswrapper
[01:28] <troxor> jaa6c6: np, good luck
[01:28] <|Jackal|> RMorris84: i like azereus
[01:29] <RMorris84> |Jackal|: i have used it but i have these icons that are 128x128 and it makes it look weird lol u know of another besides tribler?
[01:29] <troxor> RMorris84: didn't like rtorrent, huh?
[01:29] <Pockets> http://felipe-alfaro.org/blog/2006/09/06/ubuntu-edgy-ati-fglrx-dri-3d-acceleration-and-xorg-composite-extension/
[01:29] <Ingrix> andy: I used synaptic to get the newest versions of both.  Would they be the correct ones then?
[01:29] <root> I repeat my simple quest:P whow i can find stripes and icons in gnome have You this problem ?
[01:29] <root> I have Edgy
[01:29] <|Jackal|> hmm
[01:29] <Pockets> Anyone with fglrx issues with Edgy that weren't in dapper, that link is for you.
[01:29] <codecaine> that worked troxor thanks
[01:30] <troxor> codecaine: np
[01:30] <jdsbluedevl> I'll repeat my question: does anyone know how to upgrade the qt compilers?
[01:30] <Ingrix> andy: and I really only needed the ndiswrapper, wpasupplicant was installed with it
[01:30] <chi0> does any 1 know hot to set up a ATI Radeon Xpress 200M w/ Kubuntu Dapper?
[01:30] <jdsbluedevl> more specifically, qmake?
[01:30] <abo> I'm getting this error when I try to play Web embeded video: Video codec 'MS WMV 9 (win32)' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[01:30] <andy> I'm using out-of-box drivers.  In essence, afaik, not madwifi.
[01:30] <root> I`ll repeat my simple quest:P whow i can find stripes and icons in gnome have You this problem ?
[01:30] <root>  I have Edgy
[01:30] <pianoboy3333> chi0: see the wiki
[01:30] <abo> Dapper used to play these video correctly
[01:31] <Jejem> hi guys, got a problem when updating from dapper to edgy, someone can help me ?
[01:31] <jdsbluedevl> ok, anyone looking at what I'm saying?  I'm getting fed up
[01:31] <RMorris84> troxor: im loooking for something thats more GUI lol
[01:31] <root> I see in Gnome just wallpaper I use Xfce but it will be better for me to use Gnome what shut I do
[01:31] <root> ?
[01:31] <Ingrix> andy: so would you happen to know how to write a config file for wpa_supplicant?
[01:31] <|Jackal|> RMorris84:  maybe try bittornado?
[01:32] <RMorris84> |Jackal|: can u find that in add/remove apps?
[01:32] <|Jackal|> not sure, im at work atm, but automatix installs it
[01:32] <pianoboy3333> !tell chi0 about ati
[01:32] <|Jackal|> !tell |jackal| about ati
[01:32] <andy> Ingrix: my experience was based on the Ubuntu Hacks book, but that was back in dapper.
[01:32] <Ingrix> Hmm
[01:32] <pianoboy3333> |Jackal|: you can use.... me instead of your nick
[01:32] <Maxflax> crimsun, how is the develoment going with the hda_intel module?
[01:33] <pianoboy3333> crimsun: really... that's buggin me
[01:33] <|Jackal|> gotcha
[01:33] <andy> Ingrix: ...so I just settled on WEP.  sorry.
[01:33] <Furby> been looking on the ubuntu site. is ther a supported hardware list. can't seem to find it
[01:33] <jdsbluedevl> you know what, thanks a lot for ignoring me
[01:33] <LjL> !automatix | |Jackal|
[01:33] <ubotu> |Jackal|: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use.
[01:33] <|Jackal|> hmm
[01:34] <Tabris> hello everyone
[01:34] <|Jackal|> i thought automatix rox
[01:34] <jdsbluedevl> all I want is help, yet no one will listen to me
[01:34] <jdsbluedevl> thanks a lot
[01:34] <andy> Ingrix: have you tried SuSE's "Network Manager"?  aka network-manager-gnome
[01:34] <pianoboy3333> jdsbluedevl: there are a lot of people here talking to a lot of others
[01:34] <NemesisUK> |Jackal|, I use it and it hasnt broken anything yet
[01:34] <jdsbluedevl> ok, but I kept issuing my request over and over again
[01:34] <pianoboy3333> jdsbluedevl: just wait, repaste every like 7 min. and someone will come to your help
[01:34] <andy> Ingrix: built in WPA.
[01:34] <jdsbluedevl> ok
[01:35] <pianoboy3333> jdsbluedevl: what do you want to know? how to get qmake?
[01:35] <|Jackal|> anyone besides me having trouble installing fglrx?
[01:35] <pianoboy3333> |Jackal|: well... it's called ati.... get a nvidia card... or suffer with fglrx
[01:35] <pianoboy3333> |Jackal|: what kind of card do you have?
[01:35] <|Jackal|> lol
[01:35] <|Jackal|> its a radeon 8500
[01:36] <jdsbluedevl> how to upgrade qmake
[01:36] <|Jackal|> worked ok with dapper
[01:36] <|Jackal|> now it comes up to a black screen after installing fglrx and i hear an error-bell
[01:36] <jdsbluedevl> I'm getting this error: uic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.6)
[01:36] <NemesisUK> |Jackal|, nope worked fine on all 6 machines ive installed it on
[01:36] <|Jackal|> but cant see the error
[01:36] <pianoboy3333> jdsbluedevl: what do you mean by upgrade....?
[01:36] <jdsbluedevl> qmake -v output is version 3.3.6, but I have 4.2 installed
[01:36] <pianoboy3333> jdsbluedevl: get the qt4 version? qt3 version? what
[01:37] <juliano> what's the command to see all the running and not running services?
[01:37] <pianoboy3333> jdsbluedevl: ah... ok that has to do with links
[01:37] <jdsbluedevl> well, I have qt4 installed anywyas
[01:37] <jdsbluedevl> anyways
[01:37] <jvai> uall r too bleedin edge in here.. dapper's sweet!, uall se the slashdot article about adding more eye candy? snap my gnome hook is sweet enuff
[01:37] <pianoboy3333> ok
[01:37] <pianoboy3333> jdsbluedevl: do this.... copy this into the terminal
[01:38] <pianoboy3333> jdsbluedevl: do you have qmake-qt4?
[01:38] <jdsbluedevl> that package doesn't exist
[01:38] <jdsbluedevl> oh, nvm, I found it
[01:38] <jdsbluedevl> it's in my /usr/bin directory
[01:39] <Slaj_R> Anyone here familiar with Simple Backup?
[01:39] <jdsbluedevl> so, what I do is ln -s /usr/bin/qmake-qt4 /usr/bin/qumake ?
[01:39] <jdsbluedevl> *qmake
[01:39] <Davidou> how can I found a patch for the kernel ? I saw a patch in the changelog of 2.6.18, and I want to apply it to my 2.6.17, aiming to use my webcam.
[01:39] <Davidou> But I can't find it ...
[01:39] <pianoboy3333> jdsbluedevl: yes add a sudo to that though
[01:39] <jdsbluedevl> yeah
[01:40] <pianoboy3333> jdsbluedevl: you may have to sudo rm /usr/bin/qmake first
[01:40] <TRWBW> howdy
[01:40] <earthian> who has any experience with mdadm package? why does md=0,/dev/sda,/dev/sdb does not work as a boot command ?
[01:40] <kitche> Davidou: it's on kernel.org but you have to use a the patch made for 2.6.17
[01:40] <earthian> i want to set up raid array from sda/sdb sata drives
[01:40] <Davidou> yeah, I already searched for it...
[01:40] <TRWBW> can i ask a general linux question here?
[01:40] <jdsbluedevl> yeah, just making the symlink wasn't enough
[01:40] <Davidou> I gonna try one more time
[01:41] <jdsbluedevl> yup, that upgraded it
[01:41] <jdsbluedevl> now to check the make process
[01:41] <fydo> TRWBW: you don't need permission to ask questions
[01:41] <jdsbluedevl> yup, that did it
[01:41] <jdsbluedevl> thx
[01:41] <TRWBW> i haven't used linux in a few years, but i was wondering about user mode linux support
[01:42] <Davidou> where are the patches on kernel.org ?
[01:42] <TRWBW> or virtual machines under linux in general
[01:42] <earthian> TRWBW there is vmware free for linux
[01:42] <Maxflax> Davidou, why not compile the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel instead.. why waste time on 2.6.17
[01:43] <kitche> Davidou: also what's the name of the patch? since the changelog usually means the code is patched but the newest patch for 2.6.17 is from June
[01:43] <TRWBW> yeah well vmware has a nice feature that it lets you define a virtual hard drive that is a differential off an existing one, the changes are stored separately from the original. i was wondering whether linux had that
[01:43] <Flosoft> hey
[01:43] <TRWBW> i mean i guess you could fake it with a loop device that saved changes, but didn't know if anyone had done that yes
[01:44] <Flosoft> how do I set the locale on my Ubuntu server?
[01:44] <Davidou> http://lwn.net/Articles/188861/  <-- I need these
[01:44] <Landon> Hey, how do I uninstall totem and re-install it?
[01:44] <Landon> As in, what is the commands for it?
[01:44] <Davidou> especially USB: Remove 4088-byte limit on usbfs control URBs
[01:44] <Davidou>       USB: Allow high-bandwidth isochronous packets via usbfs
[01:45] <Davidou> http://lists-archives.org/linux-usb-devel/10207-usb-allow-high-bandwidth-isochronous-packets-via-usbfs.html   <--- that's interesting
[01:45] <earthian> is there any option in the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel to make two sata hard drives usable as a RAID ?
[01:46] <Davidou> should I manually modify the specified files ?
[01:46] <TheOtherSB> has there been a recent (last 4 months) change to libc6 under Dapper that is forcing me to recompile all my libraries with -lm ?
[01:47] <Zyfo> I closed ffox and started it again, somehow I managed to not get up the "do you want to restore x windows?" popup, can I restore afterwards somehow? :p
[01:47] <Klohunt> Everytime I boot from the disk it opens the Ubuntu menu and when I hit install it just stalls and a message box opens with the title "I/O ERROR" and the contents: "Unable to boot from disk"
[01:48] <kitche> Zyfo: that isn't a feature of firefox but Opera has that feature
[01:48] <Klohunt> and a band of wierd colors appears at the top of my screen....
[01:48] <firebird6191082> I have been having trouble with Ubuntu starting. It goes through GRUB, but after that, the screen stays blank and I never get the login screen. What could be causing this?
[01:48] <fnf> Zyfo: Not likely, unless you chose to install an extension such as TabMixPlus (with SessionSaver)
[01:49] <kitche> Davidou: you have to pull the patches as lwn says to
[01:50] <fnf> firebird6191082: Try removing the "quiet" option in the boot item, maybe it would help spotting the error.
[01:50] <Davidou> they don't say hwo to do ...
[01:50] <Davidou> you mean, in this page http://lwn.net/Articles/188861/ ?
[01:50] <kitche> Davidou: yes
[01:50] <Davidou> I don't see
[01:50] <threat2> hi
[01:50] <kitche> Davidou: look at the part that says git
[01:50] <firebird6191082> fnf: I am not familiar with that, is that something I do from the GRUB menu, or do I need to be logged in to Ubuntu for that?
[01:51] <Davidou> aaahhh. ok. but, I don't know how to use git
[01:51] <kitche> Davidou: join #kitchetech and I'll explain it to you
[01:51] <Davidou> If I modify the files as explained here http://lists-archives.org/linux-usb-devel/10209-usb-remove-4088-byte-limit-on-usbfs-control-urbs.html , would it works ?
[01:51] <threat2> what package contains the man pages for the c std lib and other c functions and libraries (crypt, for example)
[01:51] <jrib> threat2: manpages-dev
[01:51] <threat2> jrib: nice
[01:51] <kitche> Davidou: yes but you need to know how to work with source code
[01:52] <earthian> ok i have found that in kernel configuration:      [?]  RAID-0 (striping) mode    (CONFIG_MD_RAID0)  (tristate)  (Help) however would that support my VIA SATA RAID defined on the controler bios chip?
[01:52] <Davidou> yes, sure. I already apt-get install linux-source-2.6.17
[01:52] <fnf> firebird6191082: From the GRUB menu, press 'e' (you possibly need to press 'p' and type in your password first) on the kernel you want to boot, then manage to clear the line starts with "quiet", btw also clear the "quiet splash" params in the line starts with "/initrd"
[01:52] <Davidou> then, I only have to understand how to compile the kernel ?
[01:53] <kitche> Davidou: nope you have to manually edit the source code if you do it by hand
[01:53] <Davidou> yes, but then ?
[01:53] <Davidou> after this
[01:53] <kitche> Davidou: theny ou build the source code
[01:53] <Davidou> ok, let's try with git. I come
[01:55] <fnf> Anyone has issue with loss of syntax coloring in Vim in Edgy ?. I couldn't set "syntax on" anymore, it said that the current version does not support that feature.
[01:55] <firebird6191082> fnf: Ok, thanks. I will give that a try.
[01:56] <cornell> Good evening...  I've a ubuntu workstation install on a home LAN.  Another machine, Win MCE has a printer which is shared (supposedly, as administrator, I've set the printer to share).  From the ubuntu machine I can see the Win machine, but can't connect, I'm not offered a login.  How do I connect to that printer?
[01:56] <Sensae> This is my crontab for root, it isn't running properly. Can someone take a look at it / help? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29379/
[01:57] <kwdbc> hi
[01:57] <kwdbc> i have a problem
[01:58] <kwdbc> when I start Gnome I see just my wallpaper without any icons andstripes, what should I do?
[01:58] <kwdbc> any suugestions??
[01:58] <sanmarcos> kwdbc: alt+f2 and execute nautilus
[01:58] <jrib> kwdbc: what stripes?
[01:58] <sanmarcos> kwdbc: or from a term
[01:58] <Sensae> Anyone? Crontab?
[01:58] <sanmarcos> kwdbc: the pannels
[01:58] <kwdbc> from a term? what this mean :P ?
[01:59] <Bastiq> When i start X it says that Build Operating System: <IP_ADDRESS> i686 and Current Operating system: blabla and then x won't start
[01:59] <Bastiq> anyone know how to fix it?
[01:59] <kwdbc> sanmarcos
[01:59] <wastrel> ubuntu
[01:59] <firebird6191082> fnf: the quiet splash param is in the line starting with kernel, do I still take out quiet splash?
[01:59] <kwdbc> aa from terminal
[01:59] <kwdbc> ok]
[01:59] <sanmarcos> Sensae: remove the commas, man 5 crontab
[01:59] <kwdbc> thankyou so much sanmarcos :)
[01:59] <sanmarcos> kwdbc: I suppose you mean gnome-panel for the stripes, execute gnome-panel also
[01:59] <lightcap> why is edgy telling me "Note, selecting mysql-server-5.0 instead of mysql-server" when I try to explicitly apt-get install mysql-server-4.1?
[01:59] <sanmarcos> Bastiq: take a look at the log /var/log/xorg....
[01:59] <tonyyserver> Sensae: While I wouldn't think it should, I wonder if the range 23-7 is confusing it?
[02:00] <fnf> firebird6191082: Yes, it could help, after removing these params, you should add "vga=792" for a higher console resolution.
[02:00] <lightcap> or a better question, how do I make apt-get install 4.1?
[02:00] <firebird6191082> fnf: add that to the kernel line?
[02:00] <kitche> lightcap: they probably removed the old version of mysql for the newer version
[02:00] <Sensae> sanmarcos: Why do the commas cause issues?
[02:00] <fnf> firebird6191082: Yup, and did you take out the "quiet" line, that line's for GRUB ?
[02:01] <lightcap> kitche: is there a way to make it install 4.1 then?
[02:01] <sanmarcos> Sensae: read the manpage, if you want something every 15, do */15
[02:01] <firebird6191082> fnf: yes, I did. after these edits, do I restart and see what happens?
[02:01] <Sensae> sanmarcos: I'm reading the manpage, just curious why it would throw it off when the manpage says I can do that
[02:01] <lightcap> besides the obvious using a tarball from mysql
[02:01] <kitche> lightcap: probably compile it
[02:01] <sanmarcos> Sensae: maybe cron doesnt like you? why not check syslog?
[02:01] <fnf> firebird6191082: No, you may boot frmo there, as I want to know what error it's causing.
[02:01] <Lam_> how do i set konqueror's home page?
[02:02] <Bastiq> sanmarcos: I used grep EE and got Module ABI major version (0) dosen't match the server's version (1)
[02:02] <Bastiq> and a few more
[02:02] <mimithebrain> Lam_ : you can set that in it's preferences
[02:02] <dusk> what is the command from ubuntu 6.01 start screen (desktop) for a BASE server install
[02:02] <mztriz> I just installed Edgy Eft but it didn't have x so I installed xserver-xorg but now I'm hearing that I needed xserver-xorg-air-core... ?
[02:02] <sanmarcos> Bastiq: just reinstall the whole thing apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg
[02:02] <sanmarcos> Bastiq: sorry  apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg --reinstall
[02:02] <kitche> dusk: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[02:03] <mimithebrain> Lam_ : from memory, it should be in the settings or tools menu, then konqueror settings, then homepage. Make sure you modify this when in webbrowsing mode ;)
[02:03] <sanmarcos> Bastiq: then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:03] <dusk> kitche: heh, no
[02:03] <firebird6191082> fnf: Ok, I booted and now it brought me to the Ubuntu login screen.
[02:03] <kitche> dusk: well  the ubuntu desktop cd will install a full xorg system
[02:03] <mimithebrain> Is edgy worth the update from Dapper?
[02:03] <dusk> kitche: i want base
[02:04] <kitche> mztriz: do you want aiglx?
[02:04] <fnf> firebird6191082: that's strange :-/ We haven't really done anything yet. But it started, perhaps a good indication.
[02:04] <kitche> dusk: then grab the alternative cd
[02:04] <dusk> kitche: i just want to boot into a command prompt
[02:04] <mztriz> kitche: yes
[02:04] <Lam_> mimithebrain: ok thanks
[02:04] <dusk> kitche: which one
[02:04] <LorD-LsD> hello how can i change the owner ship of a harddrive i installed from root:root to normal user so i can write on the drive
[02:04] <firebird6191082> fnf: seems to be working fine now, logged in and everything. What would have caused that problem? I had restarted 5-6 times before I came here for help.
[02:04] <kitche> mztriz: the air-core is the one that you want then
[02:04] <mimithebrain> Lam_: cool, it worked?
[02:04] <mztriz> kitche: how can I install it?
[02:04] <kitche> dusk: what's the system a x86? or a x86_64
[02:05] <dusk> x86
[02:05] <bun-bun> !restricted
[02:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:05] <mztriz> kitche: I tried sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-air-core, but it comes up with something about now installation canidate
[02:05] <fnf> firebird6191082: I really don't know, maybe you could try to restart now and see what happens, all boot parameters you set before is temporary.
[02:05] <kitche> mztriz: think edgy has that by default
[02:05] <mimithebrain> !stuff
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stuff - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <mimithebrain> nothing :|
[02:05] <Lam_> mimithebrain: nope. that changed the home button to redirect to a website. i wanted the first page to change upon loading
[02:05] <kitche> dusk: grab the i386 alternate cd
[02:05] <mztriz> kitche: when I installed edgy it was missing x completely, so I had to install xserver-xorg
[02:05] <dusk> kitche: there is no way to do a base server install from the desktop iso cd?
[02:06] <dusk> kitche: there has to be some option
[02:06] <jvai> ok ppeps.. gn
[02:06] <LorD-LsD> i have a harddrive thats owned by root and under the group root.. how can i change it to my owner ship so i can do more then just read.. its a vfat drive ?
[02:06] <mimithebrain> Lam_: If you load the webbrowser mode, it doesn't go to the webpage?
[02:06] <mztriz> kitche: it was before I knew about xserver-xorg-air-core
[02:06] <kitche> dusk: that's what the alternative cd is used for if you just want a base x without gnome
[02:06] <fnf> firebird6191082: What is the Ubuntu version ?.
[02:06] <Lam_> mimithebrain: nope. that changes the default behavior when in filemanager mode.  it's a global setting
[02:06] <Bastiq> sanmarcos: same error
[02:07] <Lam_> mimithebrain: that's ok. i figured it out
[02:07] <mimithebrain> Lam_: I used to use KDE, but it's been some time now... I believe there is a session type, of somesort, an editing dialog that you could add modes and remove them
[02:07] <kitche> mztriz: xserver-xorg has aiglx built in now from what I have read
[02:07] <mimithebrain> Lam_:I beleive you can set the homepage there.
[02:07] <slide> I can't seem to get in to my ubuntu install, is there anyway to upgeade it via a livecd?
[02:07] <dusk> kitche: whats the difference between server and alternative?
[02:07] <digilink> I installed a LAMP server running Edgy 6.10, by default should there be a cgi-bin directory under /var/www?
[02:07] <slide> it says its booting the kernel, but just stays there and doesnt od anything
[02:07] <mztriz> kitche: I don't think I have it though because beryl doesn't work
[02:07] <sanmarcos> Bastiq: if you want the painless way out reinstall, if not, then paste the whole log to a pastebin and ask here again and in #xorg, and also light some black candles and say voodoo backwards in a mirror
[02:07] <TGPO> LorD-LsD chmod it 'chmod 777 *' or
[02:08] <TGPO> something like that
[02:08] <mimithebrain> slide: sure, if you've got your files stored on another partition... go ahead :) You'll lose your installed software tho :( I think :/
[02:08] <firebird6191082> fnf: Ok, thanks for the help.
[02:08] <Bastiq> sanmarcos: Ouch, i'm in the console
[02:08] <kakado> do you know why the amd64 kernel no longer has "amd64" in the name?
[02:08] <LorD-LsD> tgpo um sure okay.. and how do i do that.. its /dev/hdb1 and its mounted under /media/hdb1
[02:08] <kitche> !aiglx > mztriz
[02:08] <slide> mimithebrain: how? the 'installer' makes you actually partition and then im assuming it makes you format it, or does it just install over the stuff already there? and if so, thats not really an upgrade so i dont want to do that
[02:09] <kitche> dusk: server just installs a console, alternative can be used for many things if you want
[02:09] <firebird6191082> fnf: I am using Edgy. My cable internet went out there for a second, sorry for the delayed reply.
[02:09] <dusk> kitche: is there a difference in kernel
[02:09] <mztriz> kitche: mztriz@coinsandtea:~$ !aiglx
[02:09] <mztriz> bash: !aiglx: event not found
[02:09] <kitche> mztriz: !aiglx is a switch for ubotu
[02:09] <kitche> dusk: nope
[02:09] <fnf> firebird6191082: Did you do an upgrade from Dapper ?.
[02:09] <TGPO> as root try 'chmod /dev/hdb1 777 *'
[02:09] <mimithebrain> slide: You'd have to check the installer, you have the option of editing yourself the partitions and which gets used.
[02:09] <firebird6191082> fnf: No, clean install.
[02:09] <Jahooty> hey, how do i run the device manager in xubuntu?
[02:09] <mimithebrain> slide: as far as upgrade rather than wipe out... I don't know
[02:10] <slide> k
[02:10] <LorD-LsD> so sudo chmod /dev/hdb1 777 *
[02:10] <Jahooty> i dont see it in a menu anywhere
[02:10] <mimithebrain> slide; I know there is some sort of apt-get distupgrade...
[02:10] <kitche> mztriz: ubotu should have sent you a message
[02:10] <TGPO> lord-lsd give it a whirl
[02:10] <slide> mimithebrain: yea, thats actually what I did before (to upgrade to 6.06), which has left me not being able to get in at all
[02:10] <fnf> firebird6191082: Is it working normally after restarting ?. If it is, you may want to see the log files.
[02:10] <dusk> kitche: where is the documentation for alternative install?
[02:10] <LorD-LsD> chmod: invalid mode: `/dev/hdb1'
[02:10] <LorD-LsD> thats the error it gave
[02:10] <kitche> !alternative > dusk
[02:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alternative - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:11] <mimithebrain> slide: did you try reconfiguring xorg?
[02:11] <TGPO> lord-lsd tell me you left the 's on there
[02:11] <slide> mimithebrain: it doesnt even boot the kernel, it says 'Loading and booting the kernel....' (or whatever it actualy is) but then doesnt do anything
[02:11] <mimithebrain> slide: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... might work
[02:11] <mimithebrain> slide: oh geez... um...
[02:11] <firebird6191082> fnf: just restarting now, will let you know when it is finished and what it does. Also, while I am waiting, do you know if in Gnome there is a way do have different backgrounds for each workspace?
[02:12] <TGPO> lord-lsd wait a sec where is it mounted to in your fstab?
[02:12] <Ropechoborra> !mp3
[02:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:12] <LorD-LsD> yes it is
[02:12] <mimithebrain> slide: I really don't know. Maybe an upgrade isn't such a good idea in that case.
[02:12] <TGPO> lord-lsd where?
[02:12] <slide> heh
[02:12] <fnf> firebird6191082: I'm not aware of one, besides, my knowledge on GNOME is pretty fuzzy, I'm not using a DE.
[02:12] <mimithebrain> slide: maybe someone else knows better than me... anyone??
[02:12] <Fackamato> hm
[02:12] <slide> yea, id like to get in to do it, but i cant and I dont have enough room to clean off the hd
[02:12] <Fackamato> can't seem to find xfce4-systray in the repos... any ideas?
[02:13] <TGPO> lord-lsd whats its mount point?
[02:13] <LorD-LsD> the fstab is um  /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 vfat default 0 0
[02:13] <firebird6191082> fnf: It booted normally and I logged in and everything.
[02:13] <Zyfo> how do I uninstall opera?
[02:13] <mimithebrain> firebird6191082: I didn't see any ways to do that yet :(
[02:13] <LjL> Zyfo: sudo apt-get remove opera
[02:13] <TGPO> lord-lsd theres the issue
[02:13] <jrib> Zyfo: how did you install it?
[02:13] <LorD-LsD> okay so how do i correct the issue
[02:13] <mikeconcepts> anyone able to vnc into edgy with beryl running?
[02:13] <fnf> firebird6191082: You can however try to install another Window Manager, some supports that feature.
[02:13] <kitche> dusk: it's like the debian installer
[02:14] <TGPO> lord-lsd make a folder in your home directory
[02:14] <Zyfo> jrib, I don't remember, I'll try remove hnow though
[02:14] <killown> have firefox 2 for linux?
[02:14] <mimithebrain> fnf: still sad that this isn't supported :(
[02:14] <mikedoty> Hi folk.  I have good news that I'm running ubuntu now :)  I need to install drivers for my nvidia card, though, since I'm limited to 800x600 resolution right now.  I'm on this page, which I believe should have what I'm looking for (http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html) ... which drivers do I want to download?
[02:14] <TGPO> lord-lsd then mount it to that folder not media
[02:14] <mimithebrain> firefox2 is pretty neat :)
[02:14] <Zyfo> ah worked, ty LjL and jrib
[02:14] <fnf> firebird6191082: I guess that's okay for now, just examnine the log files for any abnormality.
[02:14] <firebird6191082> mimithebrain:Ok, Thanks. I know KDE can do it, from reading on the forums, wasn't sure if that feature was maybe added in the new version of Gnome. I have the Kubuntu CDs, both Alternate and Desktop. Can I install KDE from those CDs.
[02:14] <kitche> mikedoty: ia32 if your on an x86 machine
[02:14] <jrib> !nvidia > mikedoty
[02:14] <LorD-LsD> i dont see how that would make a differnce .. i had another drive mounted the same way all i did was put a new drive in.. and updated the filesystem in the fstab.. ?
[02:15] <mimithebrain> firebird6191082: sometimes, I miss KDE :(
[02:15] <mikedoty> Ok, thank ya kitche
[02:15] <vandit2k7> Hi can anybody help me with grub???
[02:15] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell vandit2k7 about grub
[02:15] <firebird6191082> mimithebrain: I mean install it as another Windows manager, not install it over gnome and lose gnome.
[02:15] <mimithebrain> !grub
[02:15] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:15] <Sensae> I checked the syslog, and cron is firing the usermod -L polaris, however the account can still log on
[02:15] <fnf> mimithebrain: There're some known window managers that support it.
[02:15] <jrib> mikedoty: you can install the drivers from the ubuntu repositories, ubotu sent you instructions
[02:15] <mimithebrain> fnf: yeah. but not gnome :(
[02:15] <killown> have firefox 2 for linux?
[02:15] <vandit2k7> no I need special help with grub
[02:16] <LorD-LsD> i just need to change the ownership of the drive off of root and to user.. but i dont know how to do that
[02:16] <mikedoty> Ya, I'm readin' over 'em now...
[02:16] <kitche> killown: yes firefox 2 came out the same time as it did for windows
[02:16] <mimithebrain> for nvidia, whoever it was... wouldn't it be IA32?
[02:16] <jrib> !vfat > LorD-LsD
[02:16] <TGPO> try chgrp owner
[02:16] <LorD-LsD> jrib huh ?
[02:16] <firebird6191082> Am I able to install KDE as another Window Manager from the CDs, instead of downloading it?
[02:16] <dusk> kitche: ok thanks,dling the alternate version now
[02:16] <mimithebrain> !stuff > mimithebrain
[02:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stuff - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:16] <Pockets> mimithebrain: IA32 just means Intel Similar Architecture 32 bit
[02:16] <jrib> LorD-LsD: ubotu should have sent you a private message
[02:17] <kitche> dusk: it lets you customize a ubuntu install more then a desktop cd will
[02:17] <fnf> mimithebrain: GNOME just utilizes a window manager beneath it (I don't recall what it is now though), if you install another WM, you'll have a chance to select one before logging in.
[02:17] <mimithebrain> Pockets: ah, right, and we don't know the arch yet...
[02:17] <wastrel> fnf:  metacity
[02:17] <Sensae> Anyone? Crontab is firing a usermod -L polaris, but account doesn't actually get locked.
[02:17] <mimithebrain> fnf: swweeet!
[02:17] <killown> kitche I install firefox 2 but when run it  say  firefox version 1.4
[02:17] <TGPO> lord-lsd man chgrp and then chgrp it to user
[02:17] <mimithebrain> !wm > mimithebrain
[02:17] <Pockets> Man..
[02:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:17] <kitche> killown: did you get it from the mozilla website?
[02:17] <wastrel> !msgthebot
[02:17] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots  -  Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)
[02:17] <Pockets> They really need to hurry up and "officially" support Ebuntu.
[02:17] <LorD-LsD> jrib i know how to see the partitions.. its the ownership of the drive thats screwing me.. basicly i had a 10 gig drive .. i took it out put 120 gig drive in.. i changed the filesystem in the fstab .. but not it mounts as root and i can only read fromt he drive i cant delete or write to it
[02:18] <jrib> LorD-LsD: the page explains what you need to do (this is vfat right?)
[02:18] <killown> kitche yes
[02:18] <fnf> firebird6191082: You need to include that CD as a repos, or just using dpkg to install.
[02:18] <killown> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bonecho/all-rc.html
[02:18] <TGPO> LorD-LsD 'man chgrp'
[02:18] <LorD-LsD> yes its a vfat drive now.. ill read it
[02:19] <fnf> !metacity
[02:19] <LorD-LsD> tgpo how do you have a man .. i always get stuck in a term
[02:19] <ubotu> metacity: A lightweight GTK2 based Window Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.16.3-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 385 kB, installed size 764 kB
[02:19] <jrib> if it's vfat he should be using umask, not chgrp
[02:19] <firebird6191082> fnf: Ok, How can I add it as a repo, I assume editing /etc/apt/sources.list, but what exact entry to I enter. It is Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy)
[02:19] <kitche> killown: well firefox 2 been out for couple of days now so the rc isn't even used anymore but it's just a .tar.gz which you have to put the binaries in the right place
[02:19] <Geoffrey2> are flash drives generally hot swappable?
[02:19] <Sensae> Crontab is firing a usermod -L polaris, but account doesn't actually get locked.
[02:19] <mimithebrain> Geoffrey: yeah
[02:20] <kitche> killown: also there is a ubuntu package for edgy
[02:20] <mimithebrain> Geoffrey2: If you wrote something to it, "eject" it first (or sync)
[02:20] <TGPO> LorD-LsD you open the man in a terminal
[02:20] <killown> kitche I go chek it now
[02:20] <LorD-LsD> tgpo okay.. but after i read it.. how do i exit from it esc doesnt do it.. cntl-x wont exit.. i have to shut down the term to get out
[02:20] <TGPO> LorD-LsD q exits man pages
[02:20] <lakin> anyone have tips for tracking down the hard-lockups on my laptop?  They started after I installed edgy.  The only reliable way I can reproduce them is to copy some large file via SFTP w/ Nautilus over my LAN ..
[02:21] <fnf> firebird6191082: Since you install it one time only, it's probably a good idea to just use "dpkg -i" to directly install it from the CD, navigate to the package directory containing KDE in the CD, then install from there.
[02:21] <LorD-LsD> thats simple enough to remember
[02:21] <jrib> Sensae: you aren't using your user's crontab right?
[02:21] <dusk> kitche: yea, the server install I dont think is for me
[02:21] <mimithebrain> lakin: this is a madwifi issue probably
[02:21] <dusk> kitche: where is the fastest source to dl it
[02:21] <Sensae> jrib: No, the crontab is running as root
[02:21] <mimithebrain> lakin: drop in a console, and type "lsmod | grep ath" for the fun of it
[02:21] <Geoffrey2> mimithebrain, where would that option be found?
[02:21] <kitche> dusk: pick the closest mirror to you
[02:21] <lakin> mimithebrain: I'm not using madwifi and that command returns no results
[02:22] <jrib> Sensae: do you get any mail from cron?
[02:22] <mimithebrain> lakin: k, it must be something else
[02:22] <dusk> kitche: i was thinking about torrents, but thanks :) its speeding up now
[02:22] <mikeconcepts> anyone able to vnc into edgy with beryl running?
[02:22] <fnf> firebird6191082: If you prefer the 2nd way, you may as well take /etc/apt/sources.list as a sample, it does include one entry.
[02:22] <mimithebrain> Geoffrey2: Insert a device, write stuff to it, right click off the desktop, click eject.
[02:22] <kitche> dusk: well torrents work also if enough people are seeding it
[02:22] <Sensae> jrib: It isn't set up with any address, but looking in syslog it shows it processes the command at the right time, and tries to send a mail out
[02:22] <mimithebrain> lakin: Does anything come up in the logs?
[02:22] <Geoffrey2> ah, on the desktop...found it, thanks :)
[02:22] <lakin> Damn ... I just did it again, this time with terms open to /var/log/messages, /var/log/dmesg, and /var/log/syslog and nothing suspicious
[02:23] <dusk> kitche: yea. ok thank sagain
[02:23] <mikedoty> I tried to install the IA32, but it errors and says I must install it as root.  What am I doing wrongly / how do I install it as root?
[02:23] <HaroldJohnson> Hey everyone
[02:23] <firebird6191082> fnf: I had the Kubuntu Dapper DVD and when I had inserted that it automatically added it as a repo. With the Kubuntu Edgy CD, it didn't do that.
[02:23] <mimithebrain> lakin: did you try switching quickly to a tty, set the log level appropriatly, and watching the errors fly by?
[02:24] <kitche> mikedoty: you have to sudo ./NVIDIA* and have the kernel headers installed
[02:24] <fnf> !sudo > mikedoty
[02:24] <boris55> is there a freenode person on this chat?
[02:24] <mikeconcepts> is it a common problem not yet solved vnc into edgy/beryl?
[02:24] <lakin> mimithebrain: how do I switch the loglevel?
[02:24] <HaroldJohnson> boris55, seek out
[02:25] <lakin> mimithebrain: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29478/
[02:25] <mimithebrain> lakin: Alt+SysRQ+[0-8]
[02:25] <boris55> haroldjohnson: not sure what you mean?
[02:25] <lakin> mimithebrain: I assume that I want something closer to 8?
[02:25] <HaroldJohnson> boris55, sorry...one moment
[02:26] <HaroldJohnson> boris55, sorry, nevermind.  apologies
[02:26] <Sensae> I finally got it to work. I had to put /usr/sbin/usermod and /usr/bin/killall
[02:26] <mimithebrain> lakin:yes
[02:26] <Tim90> hey
[02:26] <fnf> firebird6191082: Sorry I'm not using either an install DVD or Kubuntu, but the very first line in /etc/apt/sources.list may help: deb cdrom:[Ubuntu-Server 6.10 _Edgy Eft_ - Release i386 (20061025.1)] / edgy main restricted
[02:27] <firebird6191082> fnf: Ok, thanks.
[02:27] <killown> ./firefox --v Mozilla Firefox 2.0, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2006 mozilla.org  but when I run it return old version why?
[02:27] <firebird6191082> I have beryl installed, and I see so many screenshots, etc. on the Internet where the cube to switch among workspaces is zoomed out and the user can spin the cube and so forth. How do I set it up so I can do that?
[02:27] <Sensae> Anyone familiar with running Teamspeak on Edgy?
[02:27] <HaroldJohnson> boris55, sorry, nevermind.  apologies
[02:27] <Sensae> I get a daemon error whenever I try to exec it
[02:27] <TGPO> killown did you manually install that from mozilla?
[02:27] <Tim90> !teamspeak
[02:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about teamspeak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:28] <mimithebrain> killown: try symlinking the new firefox's binary to that of /usr/bin/firefox
[02:28] <Tim90> !Teamspeak
[02:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Teamspeak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:28] <fnf> !beryl
[02:28] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[02:28] <killown> TGPO, I extract firefox gzip file in any directory and run ./firefox
[02:28] <TGPO> !kill Tim90
[02:28] <killown> ok
[02:28] <killown> thanks
[02:28] <siccness> ... :|
[02:28] <kitche> Tim90: you have to download the binary installer from teamspeak's website
[02:28] <Tim90> :(
[02:29] <TGPO> killown that doesnt change the built in version
[02:29] <maxflax> beryl is only eyecandy.
[02:29] <Sensae> I've got the teamspeak binary installer, however whenever I try to ./server_linux I get an "Error starting daemon. Aborting"
[02:29] <lakin> mimithebrain: nothing suspicious
[02:30] <TGPO> killown you'll either have to update your PATH's (a pain in the ass) or install it via a .deb
[02:30] <killown> TGPO I already it thanks frined
[02:30] <killown> friend*
[02:30] <TGPO> killown no probs
[02:31] <mimithebrain> lakin: oy. I would guess it's either: the hardware is faulty (don't think so), or a module (either video or wireless) is crashing your system
[02:32] <root> ubuntu-es
[02:32] <lakin> mimithebrain: yeah, it's likely a module.  The fact that I can reliably set it off with heavy network usage (wired) leads me to believe it's the wired network module.
[02:32] <mimithebrain> killown: I just use Midnight commander...
[02:32] <cyphase> i know that legally, we can't include multimedia codecs on the installer cd, but could we have the cd automatically download them from the repositories after installation?
[02:32] <root> COMO PIDO AYUDA EN ESPAOL
[02:32] <wastrel> !es | root
[02:32] <ubotu> root: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:32] <wastrel> and don't irc as root
[02:32] <root> "ubuntu-es
[02:33] <admin__> i upgraded from dapper to edgy the other day, now when i want my lcd to turn off it just will turn off after 2 minutes (like i set it), then after about 2 minutes 10sec, a X screensaver comes on with an X, how do i get rid of it? I never set it
[02:33] <wastrel> root:  /j #ubuntu-es
[02:33] <kitche> root type /join #ubuntu-es
[02:33] <TiG4> admin__, edit the screensaver settings in preferences
[02:33] <root> gracias
[02:34] <mimithebrain> !life
[02:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about life - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:34] <mimithebrain> Well, I'm off :)
[02:34] <TiG4> !sex
[02:34] <TiG4> :)
[02:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:34] <mimithebrain> haha, I already tried that :)
[02:34] <TiG4> damn
[02:34] <TiG4> ok ok ok
[02:34] <phargle> !your mom
[02:35] <siccness> yes, nice work, abuse the bot.
[02:35] <TiG4> !how_to_make_babies
[02:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how_to_make_babies - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:35] <TiG4> :)
[02:35] <TiG4> bwoohahah
[02:35] <kitche> !ops
[02:35] <ubotu> Help!   How can get the display to work nicely on a flat screen monitor that's support 1280x1024?  Ideally how can I can dual monitors working?
[02:36] <TiG4> DBO, Gaaarooovy!
[02:36] <siccness> burned.
[02:36] <DBO> TiG4, last warning
[02:36] <TiG4> DBO, Never got a first. So technically, first warning eh.
[02:36] <cafuego> Stop being a teenager, so someone doesn't have to make you.
[02:36] <Tim90> I want to use MCE remote on xmms it has a plug in to support this
[02:36] <DBO> TiG4, the kick was your first warning
[02:36] <TiG4> DBO, Touch
[02:37] <LorD-LsD> is the Gnome on edgy a newver version then the one on dapper.. and if so is there a way to upgrade to that version under dapper
[02:37] <kitche> Lord-LsD: edgy uses 2.16 gnome
[02:38] <Flannel> LorD-LsD: no
[02:38] <Pockets> Screw gnome, go E.
[02:38] <LorD-LsD> what version does dapper use ?
[02:38] <sanmarcos> LorD-LsD: dapp 2.14, edgy 2.16
[02:38] <siccness> 2.14 or something
[02:38] <sanmarcos> LorD-LsD: nothing new between the two really
[02:38] <LorD-LsD> so can i update to 2.16
[02:38] <sanmarcos> LorD-LsD: you could backport stuff from edgy, but I do not recommend it
[02:39] <kitche> well 2.16 has better 3d support really
[02:39] <Tim90> whats this ? /dev/ttys1
[02:39] <sanmarcos> LorD-LsD: if you are a newbie, else you can go ahead and get in line for a long night of paij
[02:39] <sanmarcos> pain
[02:39] <sanmarcos> Tim90: your terminal
[02:39] <siccness> a terminal
[02:39] <sanmarcos> Tim90: eveyrthing in unix is a file, *YOU* are a file
[02:39] <bruenig> LorD-LsD, have fun http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.16/
[02:39] <LorD-LsD> yes im a newb.. but i like some of the newer features that 2.16 offers.. i know there isnt a deb package for it yet.. but it can be compiled right
[02:40] <sanmarcos> LorD-LsD: just upgrade to edgy, or compile gnome by your own
[02:40] <Tim90> xmms can be controlled by remote control /irMAN
[02:40] <Tim90> i have mce remote
[02:40] <dkr> is anyone using nedit successfully on edgy? (I just upgraded from dapper and when i try to run nedit I get: "X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)  Major opcode of failed request:  70 (X_PolyFillRectangle)"  already tried aptitude reinstall
[02:40] <siccness> LorD-LsD: compiling gnome wont take long either :D
[02:40] <sanmarcos> Tim90: yes, just configure lirc
[02:40] <sanmarcos> Tim90: but lirc is broken in edgy, so use CVS
[02:40] <Tim90> help me man im not very good
[02:40] <LorD-LsD> i would upgrade to edgy .. if i didnt have to loose all my settings from this sytem
[02:41] <dkr> why would you lose settings?
[02:41] <TGPO> Lord-LsD ?!? huh?
[02:41] <sanmarcos> LorD-LsD: you wont loose nothing, just your virgnity
[02:41] <Tim90> i realy like edgy
[02:41] <Hirvinen> LorD-LsD: Unless you have a lot of experience with breaking up and then fixing your system, which you told you don't, either dist-upgrade to Edgy or stick with Dapper.
[02:41] <sanmarcos> Tim90: I like mustard and codeine
[02:41] <LorD-LsD> its an all new install isnt it.. means id have to reset up everything i did with dapper right
[02:41] <Tim90> all new to me
[02:41] <siccness> Hirvinen: bah, I wanted to see how long it took him to compile gnome.
[02:41] <Tim90> so whats cvs
[02:41] <TGPO> LorD-LsD change your sources and then update then dist-upgrade
[02:41] <LorD-LsD> sic i wouldnt care how long it takes.. thats why ive got a 360 :)
[02:41] <dcraven> LorD-LsD, your settings will remain.
[02:42] <LorD-LsD> all my xgl settings my and my custom stuff will remain.. ?
[02:42] <siccness> :)
[02:42] <Hirvinen> LorD-LsD: Please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades for how to upgrade.
[02:42] <dcraven> LorD-LsD, if you attempt to compile and install gnome yourself, I garuntee you will lose your settings. heh
[02:43] <TGPO> LorD-LsD and your mind
[02:43] <siccness> dcraven: can almost guarantee you'll lose more than that ;)
[02:43] <LorD-LsD> right.. so i guess im sticking with current.. anyway i solved my hd issues i was here for a few minutes ago just came back to thank the communinty
[02:43] <LorD-LsD> ive now been MS free for 3 months
[02:43] <siccness> Congrats!
[02:43] <TGPO> LorD-LsD what was the final solution?
[02:43] <Tim90> any way i can put this mce remote to good use
[02:43] <dcraven> Nice, LorD-LsD
[02:44] <Tim90> lhmc
[02:44] <Tim90> lmpc
[02:44] <Geoffrey2> hmmm, is there anything that really stands out in Edgy that would warrant upgrading?
[02:44] <matt_> how do I zip a folder?
[02:44] <LorD-LsD> /dev/hdb1   /media/hdb1   vfat   user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000   0   0  putting that in my fstab was the solution TGP0
[02:44] <LorD-LsD> where the user,fmask.... i had defualt
[02:44] <siccness> matt, tar
[02:45] <dcraven> matt_, tar cvzf whatever.tar.gz /yourfolder/
[02:45] <Tim90> LorD-LsD:Go to bed
[02:45] <foulox>  I'm running 6.10 on a dell x1 (super tiny laptop) I got  the display running nicely with 915resolution.  How can get the display to work nicely on a flat screen monitor that's support 1280x1024?  Ideally how can I can dual monitors working?
[02:45] <LorD-LsD> since im here let me ask this.. does linux have any way work with the xbox 360 for streaming the music and what not like media center edition does
[02:45] <matt_> not tar though
[02:45] <TGPO> LorD-LsD every day is a learning experiance .... good to know
[02:45] <matt_> a .zip file?
[02:45] <siccness> LorD-LsD: apparently not
[02:45] <dcraven> People still use zip?
[02:46] <siccness> dcraven: apparently so.
[02:46] <dcraven> matt_, there is a zip command.
[02:46] <siccness> i thought it died 10 years ago :|
[02:46] <Tim90> there must be a way to get my mce remote working with xmms
[02:46] <eracc> info-zip
[02:46] <matt_> is there anyway to do this without a command
[02:46] <siccness> use archive manager
[02:46] <coastermaster> what is the package that contains gcc?
[02:46] <TGPO> Tim90 at this point I would have to say google is your friend
[02:46] <coastermaster> wait nevermind
[02:46] <dcraven> matt_, like with your mind?
[02:47] <eracc> For handling zip files - http://www.info-zip.org/
[02:47] <CablD_Ubuntu> what is the command to see if 6.10 installed my ati driver?
[02:47] <e2equiel> join #hackers
[02:47] <matt_> no a command that's not from a console
[02:47] <e2equiel> hola
[02:47] <siccness> matt_: open up archive manager
[02:47] <Pelo> foulox,  if it is just a matter of screen resolution you might have to edit the xorg.conf file with the extra resolution and with the proper refresh rate for your screen
[02:47] <dcraven> matt_, archive manager can probably do it I'm guessing.
[02:47] <Tim90>  TGPO:wrong synatic is the answer
[02:47] <matt_> ok
[02:48] <ShadeT> matt_, If in gnome, right click the file and click "Create Archive..."
 Just kidding.
[02:48] <method|> im trying to install edgy right now and i'm at the partitioning part where i have to indicate where the root partition "/" should go.  But i have clearly indicated where i want the root partition to go. What should I do?
[02:49] <|Jackal|> method:  re-create the root partition
[02:49] <siccness> method|: heh, try again
[02:49] <phillip> should i stay at dapper or go to edgy? since so many are having problems
[02:49] <dcraven> matt_, you may need to install that zip package anyways so archive manager can use it.
[02:49] <method|> |jacka|: what do you mean?
[02:49] <|Jackal|> delete the old partition, and then re-create it
[02:49] <sydhart> hi all. I'm making a custom Ubuntu boot CD (based on 6.10 desktop). does anyone know how to change the default resolution which now tops out at 1024x768 @60Hz ?
[02:49] <CablD_Ubuntu> how do i check what driver is used for my vid card?
[02:50] <TGPO> phillip: people are always having problems, edgy doesnt change it that much
[02:50] <Pelo> sydhart,  by editing the xorg.conf file
[02:50] <phillip> can i go back to dapper? is it as easy to upgrade to edgy as it is to dapper?
[02:51] <bimberi> !downgrade
[02:51] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[02:51] <AlReece45> My headphones, mic, and speakers work. Why isn't the mic port in front of my laptop working?
[02:51] <sydhart> Pelo: I tried editing the xresprobe xorg.conf, but no luck. /etc/X11/xorg.conf is generated sometime after boot.
[02:51] <TGPO> !upgrade
[02:51] <ubotu> For upgrading, see instructions at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this in the channel topic: type "/topic")  -  See also !downgrade
[02:51] <kitche> !downgrade > phillip
[02:52] <Pelo> sydhart,   are you just working of  the live cd ?
[02:52] <foulox>  I'm running 6.10 on a dell x1 (super tiny laptop) I got  the display running nicely with 915resolution.  How can get the display to work nicely on a flat screen monitor that's support 1280x1024?  Ideally how can I can dual monitors working?
[02:52] <shadowhywind> just for curiosty, anybody that did an upgrade to edgy, Are you having aproblem with your swap (ksysguard says its not on)
[02:52] <phillip> kitche: so i should just stay at dapper? is edgy that much of an improvement?
[02:52] <sanmarcos> foulox: xinerama
[02:52] <sanmarcos> philip__: edgy is NOT an iprovement
[02:52] <sanmarcos> philip__: it was rushed to my taste
[02:52] <mikeconcepts> anyone able to vnc into edgy with beryl running?
[02:52] <compudaze> yeah
[02:52] <compudaze> can't do anything thought
[02:52] <compudaze> need to disable 3d
[02:53] <phillip> so why is everyone upgrading?
[02:53] <kitche> phillip: well it's more up to date hence why it's name is edgy means it can break a system
[02:53] <mikeconcepts> same here
[02:53] <siccness> because people are always under the idea that "newer means better"
[02:53] <phillip> o
[02:53] <Pelo> philip for the same reason we pick at scabs
[02:53] <TGPO> phiilip, personally edgy is what moved me to ubuntu
[02:53] <compudaze> edgy is the 1st release i've used
[02:53] <compudaze> works well for me
[02:53] <foulox> THANK YOU SANMARCOS!
[02:53] <Pelo> later folks
[02:53] <bruenig> what is the package name of add/remove applications?
[02:53] <roverr> shadowhywind:  all 3 of my swap paritions work.  i did one fresh install from alt cd, one upgrade from dapper using the 386 desktop cd
[02:53] <mike_> Ok so my router rights to my resolve.conf file constantly and it puts in giberish anybody else have this issue
[02:54] <phillip> i guess ill stay at dapper.
[02:54] <sanmarcos> foulox: how did I help you again?
[02:54] <TGPO> phiilip, I was die hard debian, the last 2 releases of ubuntu left me cold, then edgy cameout and wow
[02:54] <siccness> why do you have 3 swaps for?
[02:54] <Tim90> how do i navigate to a USB devive /dev ... then what
[02:54] <Tim90> device
[02:54] <bimberi> bruenig: gnome-app-install
[02:54] <roverr> siccness, spread the load over multiple spindles is faster
[02:54] <sanmarcos> Tim90: usb mass storage is automonted in /media, check the mount command
[02:54] <sanmarcos> Tim90: if you are running gnome at least
[02:54] <shadowhywind> roverr that is good to hear, My upgrade and a Friends upgrade the swaps got all freaky! but they are fixed now. Just seeing if anyone else had a problem
[02:54] <siccness> Right.
[02:54] <bruenig> bimberi, it would be safe to remove that?
[02:55] <foulox> sanmarcos you told me to check out Xinerama
[02:55] <compudaze> if you use swapspace you need more memory =)