[12:14] <dco> ok
[12:14] <Jucato> anyway, gotta go...
[12:16] <djwilcox> can anyone give me an tips to get the sound working in 6.10
[12:16] <Soul^Reaver> WOW kde is up to 6.10 u ned update :P
[12:16] <Soul^Reaver> u install kubuntu it works :P
[12:17] <distro-tester> ok first i do this  /etc/apt/sources.list ? then the command link it says in console?
[12:18] <distro-tester> is it stable to do update kde to 3.5.6 or it's better to leave 3.5.5?
[12:18] <Soul^Reaver> djw what sound kard you using?
[12:18] <djwilcox> its an apple mac
[12:18] <djwilcox> 12 inch powerbook
[12:18] <Soul^Reaver> why? u can update to 6.10 & have all he goodies & fixes :P
[12:18] <Steven07> what is the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[12:18] <Kingsley``> i'm trying to install fglrx and get this error when i try to buildpkg
[12:19] <Soul^Reaver> 12" he hehe u wish
[12:19] <Soul^Reaver> oh the pc :P
[12:19] <Kingsley``> Verifying archive integrity...Error in MD5 checksums: 20807e69b26e7baa1176da0d594968e3 is different from 095ee06415d8206d9118db8160b78f66
[12:19] <Soul^Reaver> sorry
[12:19] <Kingsley``> any solution?
[12:19] <djwilcox> yer ha ha
[12:19] <djwilcox> just cant get the sound working
[12:19] <distro-tester> any one knows if kde 3.5. 6 is stable or it's better to keep 5?
[12:19] <djwilcox> doesnt see my soundcard
[12:19] <Kingsley``> i've had no problems with 3.5.6
[12:19] <Soul^Reaver> hhmm.. using applemac or did u install kubuntu on it?
[12:20] <djwilcox> dual boot mac with kubuntu
[12:20] <rusanso> i've already installed 3.5.6---> no problems
[12:20] <djwilcox> just installed today
[12:20] <djwilcox> it says kmix isnt running
[12:20] <djwilcox> and dont think it sees my soundcard
[12:20] <Soul^Reaver> intresting, kubuntu picks up any soundcard with generice device drivers
[12:20] <Soul^Reaver> u sure ur sound not muted :P
[12:20] <Soul^Reaver> do u see a speaker in taskbar?
[12:21] <distro-tester> can u tell me how to do it rusanso im not able alone to new to linux
[12:21] <djwilcox> the volume buttons dont work
[12:21] <distro-tester> i can follow u from console what i have to do?
[12:21] <djwilcox> no speaker
[12:21] <Soul^Reaver> can u goto propertys by right clicking the speaker?
[12:21] <Soul^Reaver> hhmm.
[12:21] <djwilcox> cant see a speaker in the taskbar
[12:21] <Soul^Reaver> go get a sledge hammer then tell me if it works again :)
[12:22] <djwilcox> have tried shouting at it
[12:22] <Soul^Reaver> hold on lemme see fi I can guide u through the control panel & device installer
[12:22] <distro-tester> any one  offers to help me update kde ill follow him from console
[12:22] <djwilcox> cheers
[12:23] <distro-tester> ciao luca
[12:23] <BluesKaj> djwilcox, do you have kmix listed in the k-menu under Multimedia ?
[12:23] <djwilcox> yer kmix is there
[12:24] <Kingsley``> distro-tester pm me and i'll help
[12:24] <distro-tester> thanx
[12:24] <djwilcox> but the drop down menu in kmix doesnt work
[12:24] <BluesKaj> then you have the spkr turned off in the kmix settings
[12:25] <djwilcox> right - couldnt work out how to turn it on
[12:25] <Soul^Reaver> try going to soundsystem in your k panel & resetting it
[12:25] <djwilcox> first day on linux
[12:25] <Soul^Reaver> I had this prob before once
[12:25] <Soul^Reaver> oh goto the big K then goto system settings
[12:25] <djwilcox> is that the sound prefs in system
[12:25] <BluesKaj> did you try 'sudo apt-get install kmix ' in the terminal konsole
[12:26] <djwilcox> no i didnt do sudo adt-get install kmix
[12:26] <djwilcox> should i
[12:26] <djwilcox> in system prefs - go to sound
[12:26] <Soul^Reaver> might help :)
[12:27] <djwilcox> ok ill try that first
[12:28] <djwilcox> just ran sudo apt-get install kmix
[12:28] <djwilcox> think i had the most recent version
[12:28] <Soul^Reaver> yeah try resetting the sound after u install it
[12:29] <djwilcox> sorry how do i reset the sound - noob
[12:29] <Soul^Reaver> u can click on then clic off the network sound option to reset it :^)
[12:29] <distro-tester> !pastebin
[12:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:30] <djwilcox> enable network sound is unchecked at the moment
[12:30] <Soul^Reaver> check it & apply
[12:30] <BluesKaj> check it
[12:30] <djwilcox> check it
[12:30] <djwilcox> ok
[12:30] <Soul^Reaver> then uncheck it apply that a double reset to make sure it goes right
[12:30] <Soul^Reaver> if that dont work use the sledge hammer :)
[12:31] <djwilcox> uncheck then click reset twice
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Soul^Reaver, enuff already with the hammer
[12:31] <Soul^Reaver> :^( I still need to crack this bios for a dell inspiron 3500
[12:31] <djwilcox> reset twice
[12:32] <BluesKaj> hey genii...hows the "power" situation ?
[12:32] <djwilcox> enabled network sound is checked
[12:32] <Soul^Reaver> do you see a speaker now?
[12:32] <djwilcox> should i uncheck it
[12:32] <Soul^Reaver> yes
[12:32] <Soul^Reaver> apply it again
[12:32] <genii> BluesKaj Hiya :) I'm at work now and the systems here seem stable. Just at home
[12:32] <Soul^Reaver> that is double reset & should show a speaker
[12:33] <BluesKaj> ok genii , good luck :)
[12:33] <djwilcox> still no speaker
[12:33] <Soul^Reaver> gggrrr..
[12:33] <genii> Some of those dell and compaq have a partition that holds the bios and not a chip
[12:33] <BluesKaj> did you click the test button ?
[12:33] <luca_b> for those apt with the command line, I've found that killing the sound and then playing any event restarts the server
[12:33] <Soul^Reaver> use ctrl alt backspace reset X server
[12:33] <djwilcox> yer i have been googling away on thiis one
[12:34] <Gacoment> salve ragazzi
[12:34] <Soul^Reaver> might just eed a kick
[12:34] <Soul^Reaver> need*
[12:34] <luca_b> !it
[12:34] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:34] <djwilcox> whats reset x server
[12:34] <Gacoment> ok
[12:34] <djwilcox> sorry
[12:34] <Soul^Reaver> control alt backspace
[12:34] <BluesKaj> djwilcox, goto hardware tab , what is the detection option set at?
[12:35] <djwilcox> its on autodetect
[12:35] <Soul^Reaver> hats a linux reboot, doesnt power down pc just a quick reboot of systems
[12:35] <Soul^Reaver> u see a soudcard in your Hardware config?
[12:35] <BluesKaj> is full duplex checked?
[12:35] <djwilcox> stuff like - open sound system
[12:36] <djwilcox> full duplex not checked
[12:36] <BluesKaj> check it
[12:36] <genii> Anyone using preseed files? If so how to successfully add some default user from there.
[12:36] <luca_b> a way to see if your card is seen by the system (if you use command line): lspci | grep audio
[12:36] <djwilcox> check full duplex
[12:36] <djwilcox> ok
[12:36] <BluesKaj> apply
[12:36] <djwilcox> the apply
[12:36] <Soul^Reaver> mine wasnt on full mine works :)
[12:36] <BluesKaj> yours is yours
[12:37] <BluesKaj> not his
[12:37] <djwilcox> done that
[12:37] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:37] <Soul^Reaver> pc = pwns mac :)
[12:38] <BluesKaj> does kmix open in the K-menu ?
[12:38] <djwilcox> ok ill open kmix
[12:39] <djwilcox> kmix opens
[12:39] <djwilcox> speaker in taskbar with red x
[12:39] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:39] <cosmodad> everytime I close my Thinkpad T40's lid, the screen turns black but I cannot "wake it" unless I restart kdm via ssh. What's happening here?
[12:39] <djwilcox> the current mixer drop down menu doesnt work
[12:39] <cosmodad> pressing a key doesn't help...
[12:40] <Soul^Reaver> now all u have to do Is un-mute ur volume
[12:40] <djwilcox> how do i unmute
[12:41] <djwilcox> sorry feel realy dense
[12:41] <Soul^Reaver> cos I dont think kde understands the sleep mode its using aka apm
[12:41] <BluesKaj> right click on the panel spkr icon , does a dialog box open
[12:41] <distro-tester> is firestarter the best firewall u can get for linux software one ?
[12:42] <Soul^Reaver> u can use pc-cillin firewall for linux if u want a good one
[12:42] <djwilcox> if i click the speaker kmix opens
[12:42] <Soul^Reaver> right click on left :P
[12:43] <djwilcox> got a trackpad not sure if i can right click
[12:43] <distro-tester> please tell what's the best firewall software for u for linux and kde ?
[12:43] <djwilcox> ctrl click doesnt seem 2 work
[12:43] <genii> A router
[12:43] <distro-tester> what about firestarter if u all ready nat genii?
[12:43] <Soul^Reaver> Distro I gunna try trend micro internet securitys firewall for linux I let u know :)
[12:43] <frojnd> why can't I write to media sda4? this is df -h output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3521/
[12:44] <Soul^Reaver> I use trend micro pc-cilin fo pc windows & it pwns
[12:44] <distro-tester> thanx
[12:44] <cosmodad> everytime I close my Thinkpad T40's lid, the screen turns black but I cannot "wake it" unless I restart kdm via ssh. Can anyone help me?
[12:44] <genii> I haven't used that one. Normally I would go with smoothwall or similar if I had to choose however
[12:44] <distro-tester> i will paste u if everything went right in kde update 1 min so u tell me
[12:44] <Soul^Reaver> cosmo repeating wont help u
[12:44] <distro-tester> !pastebin
[12:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:44] <Soul^Reaver> wait like everyone else cosmodad
[12:45] <sciulkki> i con't start docp server
[12:45] <djwilcox> still having a bit of grief with the sound
[12:45] <BluesKaj> ok, djwilcox,  try to open the kmix window in the spkr icon dialog box , and look for ICE 958 playback
[12:45] <distro-tester> ok it's still updating kde ill wait
[12:45] <Soul^Reaver> well I test it a few days distro see if it good liek the pc version i sue :)
[12:46] <djwilcox> in the drop down menu
[12:46] <distro-tester>  i would like the comunity here to vote best software firewall for kde thanx vote now
[12:46] <djwilcox> its blank
[12:46] <distro-tester> firestarter me
[12:46] <BluesKaj> on the speaker icon
[12:46] <Soul^Reaver> hey all I dont got a midi mapper, what file on my pc is it to use midimapper?
[12:46] <djwilcox> if i click the speaker kmix opens
[12:46] <djwilcox> cant seem to right cliick the speaker
[12:47] <BluesKaj> ok, djwilcox , what sound card are you running ?
[12:47] <djwilcox> im using an apple mac
[12:47] <djwilcox> 12 inch powerbook
[12:47] <Soul^Reaver> :P
[12:47] <crookshanks> what's the best plugin to install for embedded audio with firefox?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> yes, but do you know what soundcard is being used
[12:48] <Soul^Reaver> heh I asked him that before blue :P
[12:48] <distro-tester> Qt: 3.3.6
[12:48] <distro-tester> KDE: 3.5.6
[12:48] <distro-tester> kde-config: 1.0
[12:48] <djwilcox> ill get a usb mouse from downstiars
[12:48] <distro-tester> hurraaaaaaaaaaa
[12:48] <djwilcox> not sure about the soundcard
[12:48] <distro-tester> at last i made it thanx to the help of a user to update
[12:48] <djwilcox> but it doesnt seem 2 see it
[12:48] <frojnd> why can't I write to media sda4? it says I don't have permissions...
[12:48] <Soul^Reaver> u need to sudo it
[12:49] <frojnd> even if I do sudo chmod 777 /dev/sda4
[12:49] <frojnd> nothing..
[12:49] <Soul^Reaver> in terminal u can sudo su enter pass to have an open root access
[12:49] <Soul^Reaver> might need root access
[12:49] <Soul^Reaver> or chmod +x
[12:50] <djwilcox> got a 3 button mouse can now right click the speaker
[12:50] <djwilcox> lol
[12:51] <djwilcox> blame apple with their one button mouse
[12:51] <frojnd> anyone know why can't write /dev/sda4 ?
[12:51] <Soul^Reaver> apple mac = l8mrs, they got graphics other funcionality is like using CLI or gentoo :P
[12:51] <djwilcox> can see a mute button
[12:52] <frojnd> O made at installation partitions, don't know why they don't work
[12:52] <djwilcox> but it doesnt work
[12:52] <Soul^Reaver> did you chmod +h the dev/sda4
[12:52] <frojnd> o = I
[12:52] <frojnd> no..
[12:52] <Soul^Reaver> chmod +x orry
[12:52] <Soul^Reaver> sorry keyboard sucks at work
[12:52] <frojnd> chmod +h dev/sda4 ?
[12:52] <Soul^Reaver> sorry +x keyboard reall sucks :P
[12:53] <enouche> you have to mount it , frojnd
[12:53] <tamacracker> Hey guys, where can I find Login screen themes specifically... gnome-look.org is givin me a hard time
[12:53] <djwilcox> have to change the permissions on the soundcard
[12:54] <djwilcox> using chmod
[12:54] <djwilcox> is that right
[12:54] <djwilcox> so the soundcard can be seen
[12:54] <Soul^Reaver> um dj we talking to froj :P
[12:54] <djwilcox> sorry
[12:54] <Soul^Reaver> no click on the button that says administration mode
[12:55] <Soul^Reaver> u can access the device then
[12:55] <djwilcox> is that in the sound system prefs
[12:55] <Soul^Reaver> yeah
[12:55] <Soul^Reaver> eerr no
[12:55] <Soul^Reaver> devices
[12:55] <Soul^Reaver> sorry
[12:56] <Soul^Reaver> please hold $me is having a brainfart
[12:56] <Soul^Reaver> gggrr..
[12:56] <Soul^Reaver> is sound cutting or not playing??
[12:56] <djwilcox> not playing at all
[12:57] <djwilcox> no beeps when booting into linux
[12:57] <djwilcox> but sound in mac osx
[12:57] <frojnd> ok, I mounted /dev/sda4 into /media/sda4
[12:57] <frojnd> but when I go into /media/sda4
[12:57] <frojnd> I can't make any new folders..
[12:58] <heretic> hi
[12:58] <frojnd> nevermind
[12:59] <frojnd> I needed to add some permissions
[12:59] <Soul^Reaver> well dj it dont liek ur soundcard
[12:59] <heretic> i have a little problem ....in gdm and kdm .... i can't read any word ..fonts are VERY little ..what can i do ^
[12:59] <Soul^Reaver> might be incompatable
[12:59] <Soul^Reaver> change ur resolution to 1024 768
[12:59] <djwilcox> that bad
[01:00] <Soul^Reaver> that was to heretic :P
[01:00] <Soul^Reaver> keep playing with it, it will either work or piss u off :P
[01:01] <ciro> raga  la seconda vbolta che facico la stessa sciocchezza
[01:01] <ciro> ma se premo shift e backspace che ho fatto?
[01:01] <BluesKaj> there may be linux drivers for your soundcard djwilcox, but it's gonna take some searching :P
[01:01] <djwilcox> a bit of googling
[01:01] <heretic> Soul^Reaver:mm =)  i can't change it ... is 1360x768 ... im on a samsung tv
[01:01] <juano__> djwilcox: what soundcard ?
[01:01] <djwilcox> ill have a look at the specs for my soundcard and hit google
[01:02] <heretic> ciro ..cambi risoluzione credo
[01:02] <djwilcox> got no sound
[01:02] <FairLite> !it | ciro
[01:02] <ubotu> ciro: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:02] <djwilcox> just installed kubuntu 6.10 on a mac
[01:03] <Soul^Reaver> u cant right click on desktop goto propertys & change resolution?
[01:04] <juano__> djwilcox: tell me what soundcard ill have a look in google
[01:05] <djwilcox> thanks ill have to log out and boot into mac osx
[01:05] <Soul^Reaver> heretic if ur using a gui u can goto display options change resolution :)
[01:05] <djwilcox> i just log out and have at the specs on the laptop
[01:05] <Soul^Reaver> ohno dont do that
[01:05] <heretic> Soul^Reaver: ....=)  for sure  but my tv is 16:9 ,,, i need that res...
[01:06] <heretic> 1360x768 .....
[01:06] <Soul^Reaver> well the pc should ajust to the res
[01:06] <Soul^Reaver> if u play games there settings will allow the high res :P
[01:06] <Soul^Reaver> this is just desktop resolution lowered so u can read everything
[01:07] <Soul^Reaver> or u can get a large magnefying glass to look at ur screen
[01:07] <heretic> nono but the kde is ok .....
[01:07] <Soul^Reaver> the icons are tiny so are the words?
[01:08] <heretic> only on kdm or gdm ... i see very little font ... only on the bottons
[01:08] <Soul^Reaver> hhmm.
[01:09] <Soul^Reaver> does it seem like only bottom of screen in high res?
[01:09] <heretic> same thing for only one app .. ati contro panel
[01:09] <Soul^Reaver> weird what kinda video card, I know ati what ver
[01:09] <frojnd> I have HUGE problem
[01:09] <Soul^Reaver> eer model*
[01:09] <heretic> sorry button =P
[01:10] <heretic> not botton
[01:10] <frojnd> I forgot password for my banc acc certificate
[01:10] <frojnd> how can I broke certificate
[01:10] <frojnd> or decrypt?
[01:10] <frojnd> please help
[01:10] <frojnd> I only know that there where numbers from 1 to 3
[01:10] <frojnd> and big and small letters..
[01:10] <Soul^Reaver> LOL spamming liek thta wont help u, as for decrypting u might wanan try the geeks in Linux channel
[01:11] <frojnd> geeks?
[01:11] <frojnd> package name?
[01:11] <Soul^Reaver> yeah ppl who spend 24/7 on linux :P
[01:11] <Soul^Reaver> try channel #linux I said :p they might know more about that
[01:12] <flaccid---> frojnd: call your bank
[01:12] <frojnd> they won't tell
[01:13] <frojnd> I'll have to wait one week till I get a new certificate..
[01:13] <Soul^Reaver> well then ur not owner of account cus u dont got the info required
[01:13] <Soul^Reaver> they should ask a question
[01:13] <Soul^Reaver> to verify ur who u say u are
[01:14] <Soul^Reaver> if not the bank u got sucks :P
[01:14] <frojnd> bank will send me new certificate for 100%
[01:14] <frojnd> I just need acc now :)
[01:15] <Soul^Reaver> this not the place to get that kinda info
[01:15] <Soul^Reaver> consult ur bank about getting it sooner, its all u can do
[01:16] <magnus_> HEY! I got a problem whit the java complimater. the javac file lies in the folder /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_10/bin. And i have manedg to make the javac work bay the command. export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/jdk1.5.0_10/bin . However every time i restart the terminal, i have to rewrite it to make the javac work. what must i do for make the javav work whotput use the command everytime i restart the terminal?
[01:17] <Soul^Reaver> then save it in a script that will load with the terminal
[01:17] <Soul^Reaver> the terminal options should give u optional command lines
[01:17] <magnus_> okey, how do i do that
[01:17] <Soul^Reaver> eerrr..
[01:17] <Soul^Reaver> let me see
[01:18] <Soul^Reaver> magnus what u using kde?
[01:18] <magnus_> yeah kde
[01:19] <Soul^Reaver> good click on the big K click on system then right click on Konsol tell it edit item
[01:20] <magnus_> okey
[01:20] <Soul^Reaver> u see a where it says run in terminal? click that & enter the command option aka ur script
[01:20] <Soul^Reaver> that SHOULD work :P
[01:22] <cosmodad> what happens when I close my notebook lid? I changed the ACPI lid event to echo some plain line to /tmp/foo but it wouldn't be called
[01:22] <Soul^Reaver> I dunno cosmo
[01:22] <Soul^Reaver> if nobody ehre knows try #linux
[01:24] <cosmodad> Soul^Reaver: I will
[01:25] <frojnd> !gpg
[01:25] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[01:25] <djwilcox> back from the land of apple
[01:26] <djwilcox> im running a Texas instruments TAS3004 soundcard
[01:27] <djwilcox> on a powerbook g4 mac
[01:27] <djwilcox> but the sound doesnt work
[01:29] <Soul^Reaver> TAS3004?? No no thats a calcualtor man, ur looking at a calculator :P j/k
[01:30] <Soul^Reaver> j/k
[01:30] <jpiccolo> flash worked fine on firefox for me, untill i install mozilla now i get "This SWF files is known to tirgger bugs in the swfdec decoder. Playback is cancelled." and firefox freezes
[01:30] <jpiccolo> anyone know why
[01:30] <djwilcox> sa
[01:30] <Soul^Reaver> I need help myself ne know secret around a phoenix bios 4.0 password :P
[01:31] <jpiccolo> reset the bios
[01:31] <djwilcox> typo - found some stuff in the forum
[01:31] <Soul^Reaver> mozilla is firefox.. what u mean
[01:31] <Soul^Reaver> LAPTOP Bios pass u cant reset it
[01:31] <jpiccolo> Soul^Reaver: well i did a apt-get install mozilla and now everything is messed up
[01:32] <Soul^Reaver> then remove it so firefox takes over swf
[01:32] <jpiccolo> i did but it only removed 24k bytes
[01:32] <djwilcox> found something that says type - sudo modprobe snd-powermac
[01:32] <jpiccolo> so i dont think it really removed it
[01:32] <shoroot> !java
[01:32] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:33] <djwilcox> then type alsamiker
[01:33] <jpiccolo> but also Aptana needs mozilla installed
[01:33] <shoroot> Oh, it's the same bot. :)
[01:41] <jpiccolo> Soul^Reaver: i needed to remove swf-player, now it works
[01:45] <Soul^Reaver> lol kk
[01:46] <Soul^Reaver> blasted lights cut out at work carefully messin with old switches as I smell wires cooking :(
[01:48] <Soul^Reaver> just like my lights everything died :(
[01:49] <Soul^Reaver> anyone know how to crack a laptop bios pass?
[01:49] <Soul^Reaver> phoenix bios v4.0 pass need to crack it for customer
[01:51] <Minataku> UBCD
[01:51] <Minataku> Grab a copy of Ultimate Boot CD
[01:51] <Minataku> It's got some BIOS crackers on it
[01:52] <jeff_> HI, all
[01:52] <jeff_> This is a really silly question, and I've come across it multiple times, but in the past, I've gotten around it with shell or perl (yeah, overkill) scripting.
[01:53] <jeff_> I need to rename a bunch of .htm files to .html  Something like mv *.htm *.html
[01:53] <FairLite> jeff_: man rename
[01:53] <jeff_> but of course that syntax doesn't work, because mv thinks I want to move those into a directory.
[01:53] <jeff_> FairLite: holy crap, I can't believe I missed that command.
[01:53] <jeff_> I've always used mv to rename.
[01:54] <devilsadvocate> jeff_, :D
[01:54] <FairLite> jeff_: which is fine. rename is just for when you need to rename in a batch
[01:54] <flaccid---> rename is not on all *nix but its v handy on ubuntu!
[01:54] <Soul^Reaver> now that ppl awake, can ne1 tell me how to bypass a phoenix bios V4.0 ??
[01:55] <Soul^Reaver> pass*
[01:55] <flaccid---> Soul^Reaver: didn't Minataku answer?
[01:55] <jeff_> Ah.  I'll have to familiarize myself with it.  with the regexes, it could be quite powerful.
[01:55] <Minataku> I did
[01:55] <Soul^Reaver> dunno I was afk lights went ouy
[01:55] <Minataku> Apparantly I was ignored
[01:55] <Soul^Reaver> out*
[01:55] <Minataku> Grab a copy of Ultimate Boot CD
[01:55] <Minataku> It's got some BIOS crackers on it
[01:55] <jeff_> All right, feel free to post my idiocy to bash.org or something.
[01:55] <Soul^Reaver> doesnt rn rename?
[01:56] <FairLite> jeff_: anyway, you could still just do something like   for file in *.htm; do mv "${file}" "${file}l"; done
[01:56] <jeff_> Wait, how does a boot CD help you with BIOS issues?
[01:56] <FairLite> there is no "rn" command
[01:56] <Minataku> jeff_: It's "Ultimate Boot CD"
[01:56] <snikker> hi, someones know where kdemenu save my personal entry that i've added?
[01:56] <Soul^Reaver> sorry ren*
[01:56] <Minataku> It's got a load of utilities and such on it
[01:56] <jjesse> anyone around from last night and my problems w/ vmware-player?
[01:56] <Slackwise> No, there is no "rn". You simply "move" (mv) the file to a new file name.
[01:56] <FairLite> jjesse: no, but what are those?
[01:56] <Minataku> http://ubcd.sourceforge.net If I'm not mistaken
[01:56] <FairLite> Soul^Reaver: that's an MS-DOS command
[01:57] <jjesse> i can't get vmware-player to install successfully
[01:57] <jeff_> Minataku: ok, but how do you use the utilities if the BIOS is locked?
[01:57] <jjesse> and i can't get vmware-server to install either :(
[01:57] <FairLite> jjesse: specifically?
[01:57] <Soul^Reaver> I used it in kde :P
[01:57] <Minataku> jeff_: I'm assuming it's a setup password, not a boot password
[01:57] <jeff_> jjesse: I didn't have any issues with it.  You installing player or server?
[01:57] <jjesse> apt-get install vmware-player shows an error for invoke-rc.d initscript action "start"
[01:57] <jeff_> Minataku: ah.  all clear.
[01:57] <FairLite> jeff_, once your system has booted, it can modify the CMOS just fine
[01:57] <Minataku> If it's a boot password, look up the mainboard manual and reset the NVRAM
[01:57] <FairLite> assuming it knows how to of course
[01:57] <jjesse> well i hoped to get vmware-server installed
[01:57] <jjesse> but failed and needed vmware for work
[01:57] <Minataku> NVRAM aka CMOS
[01:57] <FairLite> jjesse: paste the whole output on the pastebin please
[01:58] <jeff_> Minataku: Yeah, that's what I was thinking:  pull the battery and do whatever other voodoo you need to do to clear it.
[01:58] <Soul^Reaver> ok who talking to who? I need to bypassa password on an phoenix bios
[01:58] <Soul^Reaver> this a laptop
[01:58] <Soul^Reaver> u cant pull nothing
[01:58] <Minataku> Soul^Reaver: Boot password or setup password?
[01:58] <jjesse> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3528/
[01:58] <Minataku> Soul^Reaver: Laptops can be opened like any other computer
[01:58] <Minataku> Now answer, please
[01:59] <Minataku> Soul^Reaver: Boot password or setup password?
[01:59] <jeff_> jjesse: sorry, I can't help.  I installed server and player both from the .tgzs from vmware.  Those worked like a charm
[01:59] <jjesse> jeff_:  now everytime i try to install a package i get that error
[02:00] <Bxnp-> hi everybody
[02:00] <jjesse> hello Bxnp-
[02:00] <Bxnp-> so tell me whats news today in the tech world
[02:00] <jeff_> jjesse: that error looks like it's coming from the startup script for vmplayer, not the actual package install.
[02:00] <FairLite> jjesse: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:00] <Soul^Reaver> /me points out :$me + laptop + phoenix bios + pass = no OS
[02:00] <FairLite> i somehow believe you have mismatched repositories
[02:01] <jjesse> jeff_: that's what i thought
[02:01] <Minataku> Soul^Reaver: I'm beginning to think you've stolen a laptop
[02:01] <Minataku> Since you really don't seem to have the qualifications to be hired to do a recovery for a customer
[02:02] <jeff_> jjesse: I think you're in better hands with others than with I.  The error in your pastebin is definitely from /etc/init.d/something -- but it also appears that you're having some apt issues.
[02:02] <jjesse> yeah this is the third install of edgy i've done lately to try nad get vmware working
[02:02] <Minataku> But then I'm a cynical bastard, so my sincerest apologies
[02:02] <jjesse> last night all i could get w/ vmware-server was that i needed to rerun that script
[02:02] <FairLite> jeff_, if the running kernel doesn't match the vmware kernel modules, that thing won't start. and this can easily happen if you have -updates and -security enabled for main and restricted but not for universe and multiverse
[02:03] <jjesse> hmmm
[02:03] <Minataku> Now, Soul^Reaver, if you would kindly answer so I may attempt to help you anyway, is this laptop secured with a boot password or a setup password?
[02:03] <FairLite> jjesse, just pastebin your sources.list please
[02:03] <FairLite> i think i can fix this
[02:03] <Soul^Reaver> ............
[02:03] <jjesse> FairLite: I would owe you a beer or something then if you can
[02:03] <Minataku> I'm guessing it's a boot password, since your last comment leads me to think that
[02:03] <jeff_> FairLite: ah, I forgot about that whole kernel step.  I just let it compile and didn't think anything of it.
[02:03] <Minataku> In which case there is no way to crack it other than either guessing or opening it up and clearing the CMOS settings
[02:04] <FairLite> except that some BIOS's have backdoors
[02:04] <FairLite> just some, though.
[02:04] <Minataku> Soul^Reaver: Again, my apologies for accusing you of being a thief
[02:04] <Minataku> I've just had a bad day
[02:04] <Soul^Reaver> I need a backdor
[02:04] <Soul^Reaver> Award phoenix bios V4.0 has pass & need bypassed
[02:04] <FairLite> then google for it, it's not like i remember them by heart :)
[02:05] <Soul^Reaver> If I could  google it I wouldnt be here
[02:05] <Minataku> ...
[02:05] <jeff_> Soul^Reaver: Um, you just got the backdoor.  Clear the CMOS.
[02:05] <FairLite> or, one could say - how can you be here if you can't google? :o)
[02:05] <Minataku> If you're here then certainly you can Google it
[02:05] <Soul^Reaver> DUUDUUHHHHH I CANT
[02:05] <Soul^Reaver> LAPtop
[02:05] <FairLite> !caps
[02:05] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[02:05] <Minataku> Laptops are held together with screws.
[02:05] <Soul^Reaver> listen before u speak
[02:05] <Minataku> Screws can be undone with a screwdriver.
[02:06] <Soul^Reaver> !flog off
[02:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flog off - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <jeff_> I have been, and I think you need to take your own advice.
[02:06] <Minataku> Inside a laptop are electronics quite like any other computer.
[02:06] <Minataku> lol
[02:06] <jjesse> sorry lost wireless connetion
[02:06] <Flying_Eagle> hi
[02:06] <Minataku> Arigato, LjL-san
[02:06] <jeff_> Minataku: I thought laptops ran of pixie dust and fairy droppings.
[02:06] <Minataku> jeff_: rofl
[02:07] <shadowhywind> hay does anyone use a calendar program in linux?
[02:07] <jjesse> FairLite: pastebin is here:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3529/
[02:07] <Minataku> Nah, I've been inside several, worst I've ever seen was regular dust
[02:07] <CapNbeefy> is there anyway i can get rid of konqueror and use something else to view my files....i absolutely hate konqueror
[02:07] <Minataku> shadowhywind: I use "cal"
[02:07] <Minataku> So I probably won't be much help
[02:07] <Minataku> XD
[02:07] <shadowhywind> cal? how is it
[02:07] <Minataku> Open a terminal and type cal
[02:07] <FairLite> jjesse: i think it is as i thought... let me edit that
[02:07] <Minataku> What you get is pretty much what there is
[02:07] <shadowhywind> hehe
[02:07] <Minataku> lol
[02:08] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: do you hate a particular feature of Konq, or the entire thing?
[02:08] <Minataku> You can specify a month and year
[02:08] <jjesse> FairLite: sorry for the bother, i must have messed up i hsould know better
[02:08] <CapNbeefy> i guess im just not use to it jeff
[02:08] <Minataku> 4-digit year, though
[02:08] <shadowhywind> i am more looking for like a icalendar, sunbird calendar program, one that i can print a weekview of tasks
[02:08] <CapNbeefy> i prefered browing files in ubuntu before i switched
[02:08] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: Ah.  Well, I think you can also get some of the gnome stuff like Nautilus (does anyone know if that's the file manager vanilla ubuntu uses?)
[02:09] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: You could always look in the package manage for nautilus.
[02:09] <FairLite> jjesse: use this version http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3532/ and type "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get -f install"
[02:09] <Minataku> shadowhywind: Type this in a terminal: "cal 09 1752" (Then type "man cal" for an explanation ;3 )
[02:09] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: provided someone can back me up on that name.
[02:09] <CapNbeefy> yeah....what happens if i delete kaffeine and konqueror how do i get things to open in say totem and nautilus
[02:09] <Minataku> !calendar
[02:09] <ubotu> calendar is at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[02:09] <Minataku> Oh, shut up, ubotu
[02:09] <Minataku> lol
[02:09] <distro-tester> !kopete
[02:09] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[02:09] <shadowhywind> i am looking for a calendar that i can leave tasks/todo/ my scheduel
[02:10] <distro-tester> hey minataku hello how are u?
[02:10] <Minataku> Hi, distro-tester
[02:10] <Minataku> I'm okay
[02:10] <jjesse> i wonder if that was my problems w/ vmware-server then as well ?
[02:10] <soulrider> CapNbeefy: if you want you can install nautilus and synaptic if you prefer them over the kubuntu defaults
[02:10] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: hmm, I'm not sure if you use Nautilus if it will use the normal KDE file associations or not.
[02:10] <CapNbeefy> actually biggest problem is i dont like kubuntu at all and i want my old ubuntu back....gnome crashes when i try to log in now...i dont know how to get it back to my normal ubuntu
[02:10] <distro-tester> im doing fine thanx to helpers here i updatated kde
[02:11] <distro-tester> u know if kopete is last version on 6.10 mina?
[02:11] <Minataku> Cool
[02:11] <Minataku> No idea
[02:11] <Minataku> I use Gentoo, not Kubuntu, sorry
[02:11] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: you can always install nautilus, and take it from there, but it sounds like the root is that your GNOME installation is hosed.
[02:11] <distro-tester> !kopete
[02:11] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[02:11] <distro-tester> seems to be last one
[02:11] <jeff_> Minataku: if you use Gentoo, why are you hanging out in #kubuntu (not that it's bad -- just curious)
[02:11] <CapNbeefy> i installed thinking id just get kde enviremont but it changed everything
[02:11] <distro-tester> so what u doing here mina u like the comunity?
[02:11] <Minataku> I was lured in with free stuff
[02:11] <CapNbeefy> id like to get back to ubuntu but i dont know how and i dont want to lose all my stuff
[02:11] <Minataku> Then decided to stay and assist people
[02:12] <distro-tester> btw gentoo is nice just to hard
[02:12] <jeff_> Yeah, free stuff is the fall of western civilization.  That and Larry Flynn.
[02:12] <Minataku> jeff_: Free stuff is what's gonna save western civilization
[02:12] <distro-tester> any one knows if kopete is up to date on 6,10?
[02:12] <Minataku> Since we all know money isn't gonna save it
[02:12] <distro-tester> yes socialist power mina
[02:13] <jeff_> Minataku: No, free stuff and Larry Flynn will save western civ.
[02:13] <Minataku> Nah, just anti-capitalism
[02:13] <Minataku> For me, anyway
[02:13] <Minataku> lol
[02:13] <distro-tester> just switch to ubuntu kubuntu and trow gentoo out  the windows eheh
[02:13] <Minataku> jeff_: Ah, I read you wrong, sorry
[02:13] <CapNbeefy> does anyone know how to switch from kubuntu to ubuntu?
[02:13] <Minataku> CapNbeefy: Uninstall KDE, install GNOME
[02:13] <Minataku> Though why you'd want to do that confounds me
[02:13] <distro-tester> who knows if 6.10 has last version of kopete?
[02:14] <FairLite> !kopete
[02:14] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[02:14] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: Yeah, what Minataku
[02:14] <FairLite> is this the latest version?
[02:14] <distro-tester> don't know that's what im asking u
[02:14] <distro-tester> eheh
[02:14] <Minataku> That version number makes me head hurt
[02:14] <FairLite> well doesn't it say on the kopete site?
[02:14] <Minataku> s/me/my/
[02:14] <CapNbeefy> hmm
[02:14] <distro-tester> u know command to see version in console mina?
[02:15] <CapNbeefy> reinstalling gnome right now
[02:15] <FairLite> apt-cache policy <packagename>
[02:15] <Minataku> distro-tester: A lot of commands have -v or --version
[02:15] <Minataku> Could try that
[02:15] <distro-tester> !amsn
[02:15] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[02:15] <Minataku> Or wait
[02:15] <Minataku> It should have Help -> About
[02:15] <Minataku> Ala Windows
[02:15] <Minataku> Check that
[02:15] <soulrider> distro-tester: it does
[02:16] <distro-tester> thanx soul
[02:16] <soulrider> well, you have to update KDE because th eone on the CD isnt updated
[02:16] <jjesse> FairLite: still getting the same error
[02:16] <soulrider> distro-tester: personally i like GAIM
[02:16] <distro-tester> amsn is old version do u know where to find new one?
[02:16] <FairLite> jjesse: which packages did the "apt-get upgrade" upgrade?
[02:16] <distro-tester> yes but i nead webcam
[02:16] <jeff_> all right, thanks for the help all.  gotta get back on task.
[02:16] <soulrider> ah, Kopete then
[02:16] <jjesse> none
[02:16] <Minataku> Unfortunately, self-compiling/self-installing is not recommended in *buntu
[02:17] <jjesse> 0 upgrade, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0- not upgraded
[02:17] <Minataku> Since it confuses the hell out of the package manager
[02:17] <FairLite> jjesse: none? sure you correctly changed your sources.list to the one i gave you?
[02:17] <distro-tester> ok command is kopete --version
[02:18] <distro-tester> so who knows where to get latest version of amsn?
[02:18] <distro-tester> .30
[02:18] <jjesse> FairLite: i copied and pasted what was in the pastebin
[02:18] <george> alguem pode me ajudar?
[02:18] <Minataku> Doh... the one time I know the GUI way to do something is the time they explicitly ask for the CLI way XD ( Sorry X3 )
[02:18] <FairLite> jjesse: not including the line numbers, i would hope ;)
[02:18] <distro-tester> i even nead to know the command to run ckhunter and chrootkit minataku if u know that
[02:18] <FairLite> !pt | george
[02:18] <ubotu> george: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:18] <distro-tester> !ckhunter
[02:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ckhunter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:18] <Minataku> rkhunter
[02:19] <Minataku> chkrootkit
[02:19] <flaccid---> !find hunter
[02:19] <ubotu> Found: rkhunter
[02:19] <Minataku> !rkhunter
[02:19] <ubotu> rkhunter: rootkit, backdoor, sniffer and exploit scanner. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.8-5 (edgy), package size 112 kB, installed size 488 kB
[02:19] <Minataku> !chkrootkit
[02:19] <ubotu> chkrootkit: Checks for signs of rootkits on the local system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.46a-3 (edgy), package size 248 kB, installed size 708 kB
[02:19] <distro-tester> how u run it from shell?
[02:19] <Minataku> Type the name
[02:19] <FairLite> man rkhunter
[02:19] <Minataku> Or yeah, check the manual, in case there are more advanced options you may want
[02:19] <FairLite> jjesse: no seriously, you didn't paste the line numbers - right? there's is a "download plain text" link at the top
[02:20] <jjesse> FairLite: of course i didn't copy the line numbers
[02:22] <jjesse> FairLite: i just tried it again and still get 0 upgrade, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded 1 not fully installed or removed
[02:22] <FairLite> jjesse, try the "sudo apt-get update" again instead, before trying the upgrade again
[02:22] <juano__> where can i change icon image of a file in KDE ?
[02:22] <ts> well, personally i found dual booting the best option - sometimes i need to use some application that couldnt be emulated in linux so.. i use linux 99% of the time and once a month boot windows ;]
[02:22] <FairLite> jjesse: try also "sudo apt-get remove vmware-player; sudo apt-get install vmware-player", see if it can be convinced to redownload it
[02:22] <ts> say though i will never install/buy vista
[02:23] <ts> damn
[02:23] <ts> why am i still writing on kubuntu
[02:23] <distro-tester> ok im able to run chkrootkit but rkhunter dosen't work i try --checkall but dosen't seem to go u know to run it?
[02:23] <FairLite> try with sudo
[02:23] <underdog5004> distro-tester, dude...long time no see...
[02:24] <distro-tester> hello
[02:24] <distro-tester> i was here this days when did we chat?
[02:24] <underdog5004> still paranoid?
[02:24] <juano__> duh.. lol found it nevermind
[02:24] <distro-tester> no no how are u ahah?
[02:24] <slyfox> What can I use do do scanning in Kubuntu?
[02:24] <underdog5004> idk, a few days ago
[02:24] <FairLite> slyfox: ...Kooka?
[02:24] <distro-tester> !rkhunter
[02:24] <ubotu> rkhunter: rootkit, backdoor, sniffer and exploit scanner. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.8-5 (edgy), package size 112 kB, installed size 488 kB
[02:24] <distro-tester> !rckrootkit
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rckrootkit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:25] <distro-tester> !chkrootkit
[02:25] <ubotu> chkrootkit: Checks for signs of rootkits on the local system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.46a-3 (edgy), package size 248 kB, installed size 708 kB
[02:25] <slyfox> FairLite: Any idea if there is a list of scanners that Kooka supports ?
[02:25] <distro-tester> this 2 ad firestarter and bastile if u want sly
[02:25] <distro-tester> how are u underdog?
[02:25] <FairLite> slyfox: Kooka doesn't support any scanners, it just talks to SANE, so you want to know which scanners SANE supports
[02:25] <FairLite> slyfox: what scanner do you have?
[02:25] <underdog5004> distro-tester, doing good...
[02:26] <underdog5004> distro-tester, what kind of attacks are you seeing?
[02:26] <distro-tester> the same as last times
[02:26] <distro-tester> all m$ endonkey
[02:26] <underdog5004> specifically?
[02:26] <distro-tester> wait
[02:27] <slyfox> FairLite: none, I am planning to get one, this one - http://www.officedepot.ca/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=868796&Nr=201752&N=265745&An=browse
[02:27] <distro-tester> samba smb edonkey  for now and some unknown
[02:27] <Minataku> It's just people poking around looking for open shares
[02:27] <slyfox> FairLite: Does not say anything on sane site about LiDE 70, LiDE 60 works, LiDE 80 does not.
[02:27] <distro-tester> tcp icmp
[02:27] <distro-tester> i see
[02:27] <FairLite> slyfox: tell me the model - i cannot see that page, there's apparently a session ID of yours
[02:28] <underdog5004> distro-tester, are those just pings or active attacks? Any failed root logins recently?
[02:28] <Minataku> Unprotected Windows shares, available eDonkey clients and just general noise
[02:28] <FairLite> slyfox: hm, then that doesn't sound totally good
[02:28] <distro-tester> i get some vnc m$ servers
[02:28] <distro-tester> no im fine underdog
[02:28] <Minataku> When none of it works (and iptables makes sure it doesn't) they pass on to the next one
[02:28] <slyfox> FairLite: that was Canon LiDE 70
[02:28] <distro-tester> they seem just tpc and icmp pings
[02:28] <Minataku> distro-tester: You're not in any danger nor are you even a direct target
[02:28] <underdog5004> Minataku, script kiddies, you thinkin'?
[02:29] <distro-tester> i know
[02:29] <Minataku> You're just one of a bunch they're trying
[02:29] <FairLite> slyfox: yes, checked it. it's unsupported. don't buy it
[02:29] <Minataku> underdog5004: No question
[02:29] <distro-tester> btw im nat so
[02:29] <distro-tester> hey relax dog im not
[02:29] <underdog5004> distro-tester, ok...right...sure
[02:29] <distro-tester> does firestarter block sytem till u don't put root pass to start it?
[02:30] <underdog5004> distro-tester, I don't understand your question...
[02:30] <distro-tester> just curius to see how linux works minataku
[02:30] <Minataku> distro-tester: Ah
[02:30] <FairLite> slyfox: at least unless you're very faithful in the SANE guys, that is :-) but, really, it's a bit of a risk, it *does* happen that things never get supported, especially scanners. you have the list now (or if you don't it's at http://www.sane-project.org/lists/sane-mfgs-cvs.html ), so i think you'd better chose among these
[02:30] <Minataku> Sorry, just informing about benign internet noise X3
[02:30] <Peps> when I connect a usb device (disk, ipod) it automounts fine, and the label on the desktop if fine, but I want (say) the ipod to mount on /media/ipod and not on /media/sdg2. When it mount on different places at different times I need to change gtkpod of scripts every time. can someone help?
[02:31] <FairLite> actually, not even all of these will be supported by current Ubuntu, since that list refers to the CVS version of SANE slyfox
[02:31] <distro-tester> i got reasons to be paranoic btw i got hacked once on xp damn icq
[02:31] <Minataku> Ah
[02:31] <distro-tester> that's why i moved to linxu to mina
[02:31] <Minataku> Yeah, anyone using Windows has reason to be paranoid
[02:31] <Minataku> lol
[02:31] <tamacracker> Minataku, what's the link so that I'm able to download all the codecs?
[02:31] <underdog5004> I moved over from the dark side for the configurability, free-ness, and freedom!
[02:31] <distro-tester> what attacks u get btw minataku and dog just curius
[02:32] <distro-tester> ?
[02:32] <Minataku> distro-tester: I don't even bother checking
[02:32] <distro-tester> my freequence is 1 every 5 seconds more or less
[02:32] <underdog5004> distro-tester, none, so far as I know
[02:32] <slyfox> FairLite: hmm....I am also looking for a good printer, maybe laser jet ?
[02:32] <Minataku> But usually I get messenger spam
[02:32] <Peps> in other words, who/what decides  the automound point ??
[02:32] <intelikey> yeah scanners are far less supported than printers even when it's mfd's
[02:32] <FairLite> slyfox: no idea, but for printers there's even a better information site at www.linuxprinting.org (or .net or something)
[02:32] <distro-tester> in msn client or msn service ?
[02:32] <Minataku> Other than that the usual searching for unprotected Windows machines
[02:32] <distro-tester> don't know if linux has msn service
[02:33] <Minataku> distro-tester: No, the Windows Messenger service, not MSN Messenger
[02:33] <intelikey> Peps basename <device>   decides it.
[02:33] <Minataku> Different thing
[02:33] <distro-tester> we have that?
[02:33] <Minataku> No
[02:33] <distro-tester> i know what it is very dangerous
[02:33] <distro-tester> hehe
[02:33] <distro-tester> what we got to worry about here that has windows ?
[02:33] <distro-tester> telnet for example but it's off
[02:33] <FairLite> slyfox: i myself have an Epson RX500 printer+scanner. it's a good machine, though the scanner is not totally supported in Linux (needs some proprietary drivers, but they're provided with Ubuntu). that model is kind of obsolete now, i think there's RX600 or the low-cost RX520-or-something
[02:33] <underdog5004> lol, linux protects me pretty well...that and my firewall (hardware-based)
[02:33] <Minataku> Same here
[02:34] <distro-tester> ill get a cisco soon
[02:34] <Minataku> Really, my hardware firewall stops it all
[02:34] <underdog5004> I have sshd running on my server...but it's all good
[02:34] <FairLite> slyfox: it's a six-color inkjet. ink is not inexpensive. the scanner is 2400dpi with film scanner stuff
[02:34] <Minataku> Everything behind it is nice and cozy
[02:34] <Peps> intelikey: but I can't change the device name, can I?
[02:34] <distro-tester> btw i just use pc for home and im nat whit firestarter
[02:34] <distro-tester> u think im safe eheh?
[02:34] <distro-tester> im all ready nat for my isp btw
[02:34] <underdog5004> distro-tester, yep
[02:35] <Minataku> Peps: If it has the same convoluted mountpoint every time, you can set up a symbolic link
[02:35] <Minataku> distro-tester: Very safe
[02:35] <intelikey> Peps you could make a symlink   but that's not the easiest way to ..... where is it you want to go ???
[02:35] <slyfox> FairLite: let me see. I know epson to be a paper jam comapny
[02:35] <distro-tester> btw look out if u got pubblic static ip
[02:35] <Peps> I want it to be /media/ipod
[02:35] <Peps> I can't make a symlink since it is mounted on a different place each time
[02:35] <intelikey> Peps and it's now sda ?
[02:35] <slyfox> FairLite: I think I'll just get a laser printer and a scanner which are supported by Linux.
[02:35] <distro-tester> for example i can see guardog is using msn now and surfing web
[02:36] <Peps> now it is sdg2, yesterday it was sdb2
[02:36] <distro-tester> connected whit gaim
[02:36] <knapp> How can I burn an 800mb video onto a CD-R (700mb)? Will K3b shrink it?
[02:36] <Minataku> I have a half-static IP... it's DHCP but it's assigned by my MAC address
[02:36] <FairLite> slyfox: sure, there are quite a lot of reasons why an all-in-one may be far from the best choice. it's the only machine i have anything to say about however :)
[02:36] <underdog5004> knapp, not possible
[02:36] <Minataku> So I get dynamically allocated the same IP every time XD
[02:36] <underdog5004> knapp, so far as I know
[02:36] <slyfox> FairLite: Thank you.
[02:37] <distro-tester> mina instead u are just using  irc now and have amule open
[02:37] <Minataku> Negative, no amule
[02:37] <FairLite> slyfox: i know that, in general, Epson is better supported than Canon under Linux. but mileages vary depending on the models, so as long as you make sure the model you want to buy works...
[02:37] <distro-tester> ehhe im joking
[02:37] <Minataku> Ah, lol
[02:37] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[02:37] <Peps> on the desktop I see "STAR TROOPER" which is the name (i.e label)  I gave it. the best would have been /media/STAR TROOPER
[02:37] <distro-tester> btw underdog is really running gaim and firefox
[02:37] <distro-tester> i see him active
[02:38] <underdog5004> distro-tester, uh...nope
[02:38] <underdog5004> no gaim and no firefox up...lol
[02:38] <distro-tester> then must be your ghost
[02:38] <distro-tester> haha
[02:38] <distro-tester> i like to try to guess im not able to hack on linux
[02:38] <underdog5004> what are you talking about?
[02:38] <slyfox> FairLite: what is Xsane ?
[02:38] <distro-tester> nothing just kidding
[02:38] <underdog5004> ah
[02:38] <Peps> I am assuming automount uses pmount or hal-pmount, but I don't know where/if this can be customized
[02:38] <underdog5004> are you retarded?
[02:38] <distro-tester> i was good on pc security if i can say good on xp
[02:39] <distro-tester> here it's a new world for me hey it's a joke man relax
[02:39] <underdog5004> lol
[02:39] <FairLite> slyfox: just an X (graphical) frontend for SANE. keep in mind that *any* scanning frontend you will find around really just uses SANE in the end, so scanner support is what SANE provides
[02:39] <distro-tester> btw where u from dog?
[02:39] <underdog5004> I'm from Northern California
[02:39] <underdog5004> you?
[02:39] <intelikey> Peps yeah that is problematic.   you could though.  unmount it and remove any dirs that might be in /media/ like sdb2....    then###   for Q in sdb2 sdg2 <add others here> ;do sudo ln -s /media/ipod /media/$Q ;done
[02:39] <distro-tester> rome italy
[02:40] <underdog5004> ah, that explains it...lol, jk
[02:40] <FairLite> slyfox: the only exception is VueScan, however that is proprietary software (i believe the Linux version is now free, however, though it used to be shareware). That's a stand-alone application, and it's very good for scanning films, but then you're tied to that single application forever if SANE support is lacking
[02:40] <intelikey> of course  <add others here>  needs translated.
[02:40] <distro-tester> hey mina keep whit us tonight it's m$ whitenight vista is out let's go and take it eheh
[02:40] <Peps> but again tomorrow the system may mount other devices on sdb2
[02:40] <distro-tester> keep offending europe dog and i will get rude on your usa
[02:40] <intelikey> Peps then no matter where it mounts it, it's still /media/ipod
[02:40] <fleetreo> what's the defualt root password?
[02:40] <slyfox> FairLite: Yeah, I'll do my research.
[02:41] <FairLite> fleetreo: there is none
[02:41] <FairLite> !root > slyfox
[02:41] <Minataku> I already performed my activist activities for the day at University
[02:41] <underdog5004> lol, my shop got its shipment of Vista today...it's actually cheaper to buy it from CostCo than to buy it from Microsoft...
[02:41] <underdog5004> distro-tester, sorry
[02:41] <fleetreo> umm......
[02:41] <fleetreo> I just installed kde4
[02:41] <FairLite> slyfox: i can pretty much guarantee that SANE and VueScan are the only two alternatives around
[02:41] <Minataku> Sorry, but I'm tired now from all day at Uni
[02:41] <nalioth> let us be civil
[02:41] <fleetreo> itw asking for a password
[02:41] <FairLite> slyfox, sorry, the !root wasn't meant for you of course
[02:41] <intelikey> Peps or are you saying there may be other devices at the same time ?    that could be a problem.
[02:41] <distro-tester> u can download it free for 30 days at m$ servers staring from today if u want
[02:41] <fleetreo> and mines not right
[02:41] <FairLite> !root > fleetreo
[02:41] <slyfox> Want to hear a joke ? www.futureshop.ca hs Vista advertised on formt page, and their website has this error all over the place for products:
[02:41] <slyfox> Microsoft VBScript runtime  error '800a01a8'
[02:41] <slyfox> Object required: 'dictContext.Value'
[02:41] <slyfox> /include/contextdict.asp, line 26
[02:41] <distro-tester> today it's officialy out for the world
[02:42] <underdog5004> fleetreo, uh...it's not out yet...it's only for development uses right now
[02:42] <Peps> I want the mount point to be based on the device label, not on the usb device location. This is just crazy behaviour
[02:42] <slyfox> FairLite: I do not even know what that means.
[02:42] <distro-tester> symantic said vista is so secure it's better to use xp
[02:42] <Peps> thats the whole idea of removable media, don't you agree
[02:42] <FairLite> slyfox: it made the bot send you a private message
[02:42] <fleetreo> underdog5006 does that mean I can't get it or I'm stupid?? because I got it
[02:42] <Peps> I have 5 devices and 3 usb slots
[02:43] <intelikey> Peps asking me ?    i don't use nor like automount
[02:43] <distro-tester> i was reading last security bulletins from best antivirus house ahha they said vista is very secure so much u can go back to xp dog
[02:43] <Peps> what is the alternative?
[02:43] <nodesert> hello
[02:43] <intelikey> manual
[02:43] <Minataku> I manually mount things
[02:43] <underdog5004> fleetreo, wierd...
[02:43] <fleetreo> pmount!
[02:43] <Minataku> Either via fstab entries or just 100% manual
[02:43] <underdog5004> distro-tester, uh...I don't use XP. Ever.
[02:43] <intelikey> Minataku yes both.
[02:43] <distro-tester> vista is just a bad copy of mac tiger os x and linux
[02:44] <Minataku> intelikey: Same here
[02:44] <distro-tester> i know it's was italian humor ;D
[02:44] <fleetreo> underdog. anyone can get it
[02:44] <Minataku> I was talking about me, not asking you, sorry XD
[02:44] <underdog5004> weird...and you expect me to not make fun of europe?
[02:44] <underdog5004> fleetreo, oh...ok
[02:44] <Peps> I am not even sure if I am using automount. I am just assuming so since the device gets mounted automatically
[02:44] <FairLite> !offtopic
[02:44] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:44] <distro-tester> btw i will try it just couse it''s 30 days free trial to see what they made to be so long to come out
[02:45] <distro-tester> of course i will install it on your pc dog ahha
[02:45] <distro-tester> not mine
[02:45] <underdog5004> distro-tester, lol, why bother
[02:45] <Minataku> Microsoft's 6 billion dollar failure
[02:45] <underdog5004> distro-tester, sorry, man, you're just not funny...
[02:45] <distro-tester> so u can see how secure it is ;D
[02:45] <FairLite> claiming you're hacking other people's machines is not funny really
[02:45] <intelikey> Peps if you are not issuing a command.... it's automount   or some veriant thereof
[02:45] <nalioth> !offtopic
[02:45] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:45] <Peps> how can I tell?
[02:46] <distro-tester> u know we got different humor there just relax yes minataku but they think will take the charts vista as never let's see
[02:46] <Minataku> Practically everyone I talked to today has no plans of EVER switching to Vista
[02:46] <Peps> I just upgraded to dapper from breezy
[02:46] <Minataku> This is Free Software's chance to take the market
[02:47] <underdog5004> Peps, whoa...
[02:47] <distro-tester> btw it's well know that the 2 house that make security for m$ won't say names  do bugs for the os and the 2 team infection to fill em
[02:47] <Peps> i did not make any special installation, but I may have some remains of breezy
[02:47] <distro-tester> so immagine how secure it can be haha
[02:47] <Minataku> lol
[02:47] <underdog5004> distro-tester, take it to the #kubuntu-offtopic channel
[02:47] <underdog5004> I'm there
[02:47] <distro-tester> ok
[02:48] <distro-tester> join us minataku
[02:48] <nodesert> i want Linux From Scratch
[02:48] <Minataku> I'm in there, but I'm okay
[02:48] <Minataku> Like I said, I'm tired
[02:48] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[02:48] <nodesert> is it difficult to get over
[02:49] <distro-tester> are  u sleepig mate why u all ways tired?
[02:49] <Peps> perhaps this is something that kde does?
[02:49] <Peps> I am using 3.5.2
[02:50] <intelikey> it's amazing what all you can make out of "scratch" ...    it must be like the raw material that matter is made of or something...
[02:50] <n8k99_> Pepskde makes Minataku tired?
[02:50] <distro-tester> btw im so happy whit kubuntu can't wait 7 i tryied to switch to fedora 6 today seemed i found distro for me but was wrong
[02:50] <Minataku> Nah, being at Uni all day makes Minataku tired XD
[02:51] <distro-tester> don't u have a life friends girl go out i mean what u doing all day on pc unless u work whit it $?
[02:51] <distro-tester> i just stay on it at night couse have fun
[02:51] <distro-tester> i*
[02:51] <n8k99_> ja, i know that deal, and a toddler
[02:52] <Minataku> Dead standstill, just like it's been for the past... 16 years or so
[02:52] <Minataku> lol
[02:53] <distro-tester> btw im done for tonight messing whit kubuntu im happy i updated kde and did few other things tomorrow willl be better
[02:53] <distro-tester> so u got like just pc ?
[02:53] <distro-tester> at least u could work whit it and make $ or help linux
[02:54] <intelikey> distro-tester seems to be asking for an invite to exit...  been asked to go to offtopic several times, yet still presists in making life miserable for #kubuntu
[02:54] <distro-tester> sorry
[02:54] <distro-tester> ill go there
[02:55] <bryan> join #ubuntu
[02:55] <bryan> lol
[02:55] <bryan> maybe not
[02:55] <intelikey>  /
[02:56] <NightBird> How do I disable checking of certain drives on startup?
[02:56] <FairLite> NightBird: last number in /etc/fstab
[02:56] <FairLite> man fstab
[02:57] <intelikey> NightBird probably have to black list the device and rebuild the initramfs.img
[02:58] <intelikey> oh sorry you said drive i read device
[02:58] <CapNbeefy> when i open something that requires my password i put it in and it works...in bash though when i want to go root and type su - and get prompted i put in my password and get 'authentication failure sorry'
[02:58] <intelikey> CapNbeefy sudo -i
[02:59] <CapNbeefy> hmm
[02:59] <CapNbeefy> it worked
[02:59] <CapNbeefy> tell me how?
[02:59] <CapNbeefy> i wasnt even prompted for a password
[02:59] <intelikey> su uses the target's password  sudo user your password
[02:59] <FairLite> CapNbeefy: that's probably because you have used "sudo" on the same terminal during the last few minutes
[02:59] <CapNbeefy> i have
[02:59] <intelikey> and sudo is set to remember your password so you don't enter it but one time.
[02:59] <FairLite> sudo remembers your last password authentication for 15 minutes
[03:00] <CapNbeefy> thanks
[03:00] <distro-tester> !java
[03:00] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:01] <distro-tester> any one knows if java 6 is stable?
[03:01] <FairLite> intelikey: it's a compromise like everything. it might be a security risk for *you*
[03:01] <intelikey> distro-tester !i
[03:01] <FairLite> intelikey: for other users however, if sudo were set stricter (like, "never remember password"), they'd possibly end up using "sudo -i" all the time or just activating and logging in as root
[03:01] <NightBird> is it known if trying to do a checkdisk on a disk that has a hibernated windows causes problems?
[03:02] <FairLite> NightBird: very likely. don't do it.
[03:02] <FairLite> that is, if by "disk" you mean partition
[03:02] <NightBird> FairLite, ok... well... in my experience it does...
[03:02] <distro-tester> yes intel what did u say?
[03:02] <NightBird> I do
[03:02] <FairLite> if you're doing it on another partition that the Windows system doesn't use... then well, it'll be fine
[03:02] <distro-tester> !java6
[03:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about java6 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:03] <distro-tester> fair u know if it's ok to upgrade to java 6?
[03:03] <intelikey> FairLite actually the timed password is a minor detail.  it's the whole "root jr." thing that i believe to be a security risk.     but if we persue this lets take it else where and not in this channel.
[03:04] <distro-tester> fairlite can u kindly answer me if u know on java 6?
[03:04] <crazy_bus> Quite a few things I have installed don't have places in the KDE menu.  How do I fix this?
[03:04] <intelikey> distro-tester i said !i   linux code ! == not
[03:05] <FairLite> intelikey: if you want. anyway in my opinion it's quite fine for a desktop, mainly single-user system. on a secure server i'd probably have root, but then i would log in as such, and never "su" from an un privileged user
[03:05] <FairLite> distro-tester: i know it exists
[03:05] <distro-tester> what does that mean intel sorry im a new user ?
[03:05] <nodesert> is there anyone who can suggest an editor for python
[03:05] <distro-tester> well i got it in adept java 6 so don't know if install it or not
[03:05] <FairLite> you can always uninstall it no?
[03:06] <intelikey> nodesert kate
[03:06] <nodesert> thnak you ;)
[03:06] <distro-tester> yes
[03:07] <soulrider> oh my, java6-jdk is int he repos and i didnt realize! :P
[03:07] <intelikey> nodesert if you like vi   vim-python - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with Python support
[03:07] <soulrider> !java
[03:07] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:08] <distro-tester> btw i can't understad why can gaim connect to msn and yahoo at same time and kopete can't
[03:08] <distro-tester> i diden't find out how yet
[03:08] <crazy_bus> On a previous install I found the missing icons and things by installing the "Debian menu" which appeared at the top of my normal one.  Does anyone know how to install it?
[03:10] <nodesert> thank you intelikey i think i will use vim
[03:11] <distro-tester> are there any cool world clocks for kde?
[03:11] <distro-tester> !love
[03:11] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[03:11] <intelikey> crazy_bus maybe menu - generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications
[03:11] <distro-tester> !ubuntu
[03:11] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[03:12] <distro-tester> !mark
[03:12] <ubotu> Mark "sabdfl" Shuttleworth is our favourite cosmonaut, the founder of Canonical and the primary driver behind Ubuntu. You can find pieces of his thinking at http://www.markshuttleworth.com
[03:12] <crazy_bus> does kubuntu have a bot now?
[03:12] <FairLite> !bot
[03:12] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:13] <truulz> hi
[03:14] <truulz> are all CORE DUO 64 bit? I tried to run a 65bit CD on a brand new computer and couldn't launch it. Do I have to enable something in the bios?
[03:14] <intelikey> truulz no.
[03:14] <truulz> In the bios I see "enable something about bit"
[03:14] <intelikey> hehhe  65bit CD   ?
[03:14] <truulz> no what
[03:14] <truulz> sorry
[03:14] <truulz> 64
[03:14] <intelikey> the answer to your first question.    no.
[03:15] <dwidmann|nap> Core DUO are not 64-bit. Core 2 DUO are.
[03:15] <truulz> intelikey: so it can be not be 64bit
[03:15] <intelikey> most probably is not.
[03:16] <dwidmann> Well, the infrastructure for 64-bit is probably there, whether it is enabled/usable or not is probalby another story.
[03:17] <distro-tester> !firestarter
[03:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[03:17] <distro-tester> !bastile
[03:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bastile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:17] <distro-tester> !kvirc
[03:17] <ubotu> kvirc: KDE based next generation IRC client with module support. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.2.4-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2871 kB, installed size 8644 kB
[03:17] <intelikey> bastille - Security hardening tool
[03:18] <distro-tester> u adivise me to install it intel?
[03:18] <distro-tester> !bastille
[03:18] <ubotu> bastille: Security hardening tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.1.1-12 (edgy), package size 358 kB, installed size 1508 kB
[03:18] <intelikey> sure if you want.
[03:18] <distro-tester> if it's gui and easy to run i can how does it work?
[03:18] <truulz> so it's in the BIOS?
[03:18] <distro-tester> know im a begginer do so i nead gui security tools
[03:18] <intelikey> beets me.
[03:18] <intelikey> truulz no.
[03:19] <intelikey> truulz linux for the most part could not care less what bios says...
[03:19] <distro-tester> ill see on page so no nead  u have to explain me intel
[03:20] <distro-tester> there is a book on hackers called cfi-en in adept everytime i install it im not able to find it to read u know why intel?
[03:20] <intelikey> i turn every thing off in bios that can be turned off execpt the boot device.
[03:20] <truulz> intelikey: it's an intel Core Duo, so not Core 2 Duo, therefore no 64bit? right?
[03:21] <distro-tester> so u know how to read this book on hacker culture u find in adept called cfi-en once u installed it?
[03:21] <intelikey> distro-tester probably because you are not yet well versed at finding things in linux ?      dpkg -L cfi-en | less
[03:21] <intelikey> truulz that's right.
[03:22] <distro-tester> thanx i told u im new so must learn commands one at time
[03:22] <distro-tester> im bookmarking them all do
[03:22] <distro-tester> once i do that im able to read it intel?
[03:23] <truulz> ok thanks gotta go now
[03:23] <intelikey> distro-tester there is also a kde find application but it would be easier imo with the package data as i described.
[03:23] <distro-tester> ok
[03:23] <distro-tester> ill install it and try thanx
[03:23] <intelikey> distro-tester no. you'll be able to see what that package installed.   then look for any executable  if not look for documents.
[03:24] <intelikey> let me see how big it is.  i might install it just to point you at the docs
[03:25] <intelikey> !cli | distro-tester
[03:25] <ubotu> distro-tester: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[03:26] <distro-tester> ok your command told me end
[03:26] <distro-tester> now what i do?
[03:27] <distro-tester> btw if u give me gui stuff it's more easy for me im really begginer
[03:28] <intelikey> distro-tester i know.    open konqueror and enter this in the address box.  /usr/share/doc-base/
[03:28] <intelikey> look at   /usr/share/doc-base/cfi-en
[03:28] <intelikey> file:///usr/share/doc-base/cfi-en
[03:29] <distro-tester> ty
[03:30] <intelikey> looks like most of the data is in  file:///usr/share/doc/cfi-en/      distro-tester
[03:30] <distro-tester> found it
[03:30] <intelikey> so enjoy.
[03:30] <distro-tester> says html now
[03:31] <distro-tester> !pastebin
[03:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:32] <intelikey> distro-tester if you want to learn about linux  "rutebook"  is a good one.  it's also in the repos.   very comprihensive

[03:32] <distro-tester> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3540/intelikey:
[03:32] <distro-tester> there i nead to know what to do from here and im solved
[03:32] <draik> Hello all
[03:32] <draik> 2 issues...
[03:32] <draik> 1) I can't play embeded audio still
[03:33] <draik> 2) How do I setup an app for autostart?
[03:33] <draik> any takers?
[03:33] <intelikey> !autostart
[03:33] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[03:33] <distro-tester> ill learn everything in time step by step night by night or i get scared of command line
[03:33] <intelikey> !flash9
[03:33] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[03:33] <intelikey> draik  ^
[03:33] <draik> intelikey: I have flash 9 installed and enabled
[03:34] <intelikey> well i hit the autostart Q too
[03:35] <intelikey> distro-tester you pasted  /usr/share/doc/cfi-en/html/index.html <<< line 9      i don't mean to belittle you but   like duh ?
[03:35] <intelikey> open that file...
[03:35] <knapp> Anyone here familiar with Devede? I
[03:36] <distro-tester> yes i found that directory
[03:36] <distro-tester> but the books says html versiona don't know hot to read it yet
[03:36] <knapp> I'm trying to make a SVCD or just a VCD. I have a 800mb video. I added it, selected 700mb cd, encoded it. It spit out a .bin and a .cue file but their 800mb still.
[03:36] <knapp> How can I make it so it will fit on a 700mb cd?
[03:36] <intelikey> in konqueror  left click it.
[03:36] <distro-tester> solved
[03:36] <distro-tester> thanx
[03:37] <distro-tester> hhe u rock intel
[03:38] <distro-tester> btw in time ill learn it's not that hard if u aply a bit everynight instead of getting hacked and infected on xp
[03:38] <distro-tester> at least u learn to use a real free os
[03:38] <knapp> nvm solved
[03:38] <jjesse> ok following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server why can't i get it to runn
[03:39] <intelikey> yes and you "OWN" your software.   not like renting a license agreement to allow you to use someone elses software.
[03:39] <distro-tester> 3.39 am good night every one see u tomorrow
[03:39] <distro-tester> thanx for all the help
[03:39] <intelikey> gooday distro-tester
[03:39] <snowrichard> good eveining
[03:41] <Peps> It seems that on my system (running dapper) hal is using pmount and not pmount-hal. Can anyone tell me where I can change that?
[03:42] <intelikey> !libapache-mod-dosevasive
[03:42] <ubotu> libapache-mod-dosevasive: evasive module to minimize HTTP DoS or brute force attacks. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.10-1 (edgy), package size 14 kB, installed size 84 kB
[03:43] <intelikey> Peps it seems i opted not to have hal installed.  so i can't answer that  but i'd look in /etc/hal*/
[03:44] <PiNE> so i have been running x/ubuntu for ages now but this is my first time with kde. i have no idea how to install restricted formats and the restricted formats page is all about not-kde.  how do i go about it?  is there a page somewhere else?
[03:45] <terwilliger> Hi all. Anybody up on Bluetooth? I can connect my Tungsten E2 by BT, but can't get Jpilot or kpilot to recognize it. How best to troubleshoot?
[03:46] <intelikey> interesting side note.  brute force attacks have a natural tendancy to fail on dialup connections be cause the connection is to slow for the brute force to be more than the system can process.
[03:47] <intelikey> !mp3 | PiNE
[03:47] <ubotu> PiNE: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:50] <intelikey> !libxine-extracodecs | PiNE
[03:50] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[03:51] <intelikey> !info vlc
[03:51] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[03:52] <PiNE> intelikey: great! now what about dvds?
[03:53] <shinigami> hi i'm getting QFontLoader: Internal error when running an application...anyone knows what is it?
[03:53] <intelikey> PiNE apt-cache search dvd | less
[03:53] <intelikey> !dvd
[03:53] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:54] <terwilliger> Anybody up on Bluetooth? I can connect my Tungsten E2 by BT, but can't get Jpilot or kpilot to recognize it. How best to troubleshoot?
[03:55] <bxnp> do you have bluetooth enabled in kde
[03:55] <intelikey> shinigami not without more info.   check  in  /var/log/Xorg.0.log   or ~/.xserver-error*
[03:55] <terwilliger> Yes, I believe I do. The Tungsten can connect to the box
[03:56] <bxnp> do you know what the name off the device
[03:56] <PiNE> intelikey: thanks those are good leads. i am amazed at how disoriented i am (because of the switch) right now.
[03:56] <terwilliger> And system services recorded the last connection. the device is /dev/rfcomm0
[03:57] <terwilliger> Both Jpilot and Kpilor were directed to that device
[03:57] <shinigami> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/, removing from list!
[03:57] <terwilliger> kde does not note the Tungsten as a paired device, however
[03:59] <shinigami> intelikey: Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/, removing from list! <-- font problem?
[04:01] <terwilliger> Well, thanks anyway. Be well
[04:04] <nodesert> i try to install a sun-java5-bin but i had a problem when i first tried, now i says you have to manually fix this problem
[04:05] <smaggard> hallo :D
[04:08] <jarn> How do I edit the KDM theme?
[04:13] <dwidmann> jarn: go to systemsettings -> advanced -> login manager, and play around in there.
[04:14] <tamacracker>  anyone here have the purge command for nividia driver on hand
[04:16] <jesse__> Hello?
[04:17] <jesse__> Hello?
[04:17] <jarn> dwidmann: How do I install themes, though? Themese downloaded from kde-look?
[04:18] <jesse__> How do I access my floppy drive?
[04:18] <jesse__> Lol.
[04:18] <ind> hai
[04:18] <jesse__> Hello
[04:19] <cpk1> jarn: normally you just need to show the login manager where the archive that you downloaded is
[04:19] <ind> anyone here understand a line in a lilo.conf: append="console=ttyS0,9600n8"
[04:19] <jesse__> I have a question
[04:19] <SpAwN> !iso
[04:19] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[04:20] <dwidmann> jarn: yeah, kde-look.org is where to get them ... I'll take a look though, I haven't done it in a while
[04:20] <ind> hi ubotu
[04:20] <jarn> cpk1: And how do I do that, though?
[04:20] <dwidmann> jesse, justa sk
[04:20] <jesse__> I just installed
[04:21] <jesse__> Kubuntu and have no idea how to put files on my floppy.
[04:21] <ind> jesse--what's the error message?
[04:22] <ind> ubotu
[04:22] <dwidmann> !bot | ind
[04:22] <ubotu> ind: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:22] <jesse__> I just dont know how to do it.
[04:22] <intelikey>    Any system reference will require you to read it at least three times
[04:22] <intelikey>    before you get a reasonable picture of what to do.
[04:22] <ind> ok
[04:22] <glines> is there a guide of some sort for installing the nvidia-legacy driver? i've been trying forever but can't do it. so far i've used synaptic, automatix, and by hand using the .run... but no dice
[04:23] <ind> intelikey, understand a line in a lilo.conf: append="console=ttyS0,9600n8" ?
[04:23] <intelikey> quote from   "rute"   of which i think would warn most people to not read manuals.
[04:23] <ind> jesse-- just copy?
[04:23] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to play the game xmoto.  But for some reason it sometimes loads properly.  And sometimes it freezes my entire computer and the screen is black with a frozen white mouse pointer.
[04:23] <dwidmann> glines: "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-legacy && sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[04:23] <intelikey> ind yes i understand it.
[04:24] <intelikey> it's telling the kernel to display on the serial port connected terminal
[04:24] <ind> intelikey-- can u change it so my box will send the output to its vga?
[04:24] <glines> dwidmann: well, i hope that works... but i've installed nvidia-glx-legacy (using synaptic) and nvidia-xconfig about a millinon times ;-)
[04:24] <intelikey> remove or comment out that line ind
[04:24] <jesse__> All I need to do is put a SATA driver on my floppy, I have downloaded the the driver but do not know how to get to a place where I can put the driver on a disk.
[04:24] <dwidmann> glines, well, if it's going to work, that should be the way to do it
[04:25] <glines> yeah, it should
[04:25] <glines> i get an "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." when I run glxgears
[04:25] <ind> jesse-- type "sudo fdisk -l" in terminal, can u see your floppy?
[04:25] <intelikey> fdisk wont list floppies
[04:26] <dwidmann> Oh, and if you're using dapper (as opposed to edgy), tryu sing nvidia-glx-config instead of nvidia-xconfig
[04:26] <glines> dwidmann: i'm using edgy...
[04:26] <intelikey> jesse__ floppy will be  /dev/fd0  or  /dev/fd1  on normal hardware
[04:26] <ind> intelikey-- can u change that line so my "box" will send the output to its vga?
 remove or comment out that line ind
[04:27] <glines> actually, i havn't really tried nvidia-xconfig. i just edited xorg.conf by hand, like I do on other nvidia systems
[04:27] <intelikey> if you can repost so can i
[04:28] <ind> intelikey-- without that line, my box will send the output to its vga port? so it is the default?
[04:28] <intelikey> yes
[04:28] <jesse__> Lol all I want to do is put a file on my floppy.
[04:28] <intelikey> yes jesse__     sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media
[04:28] <glines> jesse__: try going to "media:/" in konqueror... that's what I do :-)
[04:29] <dxdt> does Kwifimanager support WPA?  Or can I use my NEtworkManager applet from gnome that's already installed and configured?  (I'm going to try out KDE for a while, certain things about Gnome are annoying me)
[04:29] <jesse__> I am a noob so I dont know what you just typed means.
[04:29] <glines> jesse__: and i'd assume kubuntu will already have your /etc/fstab configured for fd0...
[04:29] <ind> thanx a lot intelikey
[04:29] <glines> jesse__: it should be easy. just put "media:/" into konqueror's address bar
[04:29] <glines> minus the quotes of course\
[04:29] <intelikey> big assumption glines
[04:30] <glines> intelikey: any decent distro has it done for you
[04:30] <bxnp> use networkmanager dxdt
[04:30] <glines> but what do I know? i've been using ubuntu for like 5 minutes! :-P
[04:30] <jesse__> So I see where it says media.
[04:30] <intelikey> glines who said kubuntu was decent ?
[04:30] <bxnp> but use the one for kde dxdt
[04:30] <darthdual> What is up linux geeks..............:-)
[04:30] <dwidmann> intelikey: lol
[04:30] <glines> intelikey: are you dissing kubuntu on the kubuntu channel?! :-OOO
[04:30] <dxdt> they won't conflict will they?
[04:30] <intelikey> yeah
[04:30] <glines> ;p
[04:30] <intelikey> :)
[04:31] <glines> i'm a gentoo nut myself
[04:31] <bxnp> remote the one for gnome
[04:31] <bxnp> remove
[04:31] <darthdual> Anyone know how to browse .asp content with linux?
[04:31] <bxnp> you are a kde user rigt
[04:31] <dxdt> not an option in case I want to go back to gnome
[04:31] <intelikey> i dis gentoo too too too too
[04:31] <dxdt> just trying it out
[04:31] <glines> I don't think nvidia legacy comes with nvidia-xconfig
[04:31] <jesse__> If there is a file on my desktop how would I get it on my floppy?
[04:31] <dwidmann> glines, Hmm, dpkg -L nvidia-glx-legacy
[04:32] <intelikey> drag & drop ?
[04:32] <dwidmann> or better yet, "dpkg -L nvidia-glx-legacy | grep /usr/bin"
[04:32] <intelikey> copy & paste
[04:32] <jesse__> Does not seem to work for me.
[04:32] <darthdual> I always have problems browsing active server pages content in linux.  Is there a fix for that.
[04:32] <flaccid---> i don't see how thats possible as asp is client side
[04:32] <glines> darthdual: what do you mean? asp is server side, irrc
[04:32] <ind> intelikey-- do u know the 'hyper terminal' in kubuntu? and how to run it?
[04:32] <glines> *iirc
[04:32] <dxdt> asp is server side
[04:32] <flaccid---> err i mean server side hehe
[04:32] <glines> flaccid---: lol
[04:32] <flaccid---> its stupidly slow but. 30 x slower than php
[04:33] <smaggard> asp sux
[04:33] <jesse__> Does Kubuntu ''see'' if you put a floppy in your system after Kubuntu is installed?
[04:33] <darthdual> Yeah, ok, maybe it's something else then.
[04:33] <flaccid---> and com objects are so annoying
[04:33] <darthdual> But I have java enabled, so it's not that.
[04:33] <smaggard> Asp Server Side... haha... spells ASS...
[04:33] <intelikey> ind 'hyper terminal' ?
[04:33] <glines> jesse__: it should... if it's using HAL (hardware abstraction layer) it should auto detect media put in the drives
[04:33] <flaccid---> yes big ASS!
[04:34] <darthdual> I was pretty sure server side shouldn't affect me.
[04:34] <smaggard> iunno about floppy disks tho..
[04:34] <jesse__> What would it be labled in media?
[04:34] <smaggard> i think you would have to invoke the disk
[04:34] <darthdual> But is it possible they are also using some windows script?
[04:34] <ind> intelikey-- yes..to see the output of my embedded system from serial port..in windows, it is the hyper terminal..
[04:34] <glines> no, it'll detect it with HAL, no question
[04:34] <dwidmann> darthdual ... it shouldn't have any effect whatsoever on you.
[04:34] <glines> but it might not be in fstab so you might not have permission to mount it
[04:35] <intelikey> ind telnet ssh vnc ???
[04:35] <ind> intelikey-- do u know the alternative in kubuntu?
[04:35] <ind> ok
[04:35] <jesse__> Would floppy0 be my floppy?
[04:35] <smaggard> probably
[04:35] <smaggard> i would say yeh
[04:35] <glines> jesse__: indeed
[04:35] <darthdual> Ok, now I'm really confused?  Better try to look at the page code........Be back in a little bit with news.
[04:35] <ind> intelikey-- telnet: could not resolve ssh/vnc: Servname not supported for ai_socktype
[04:35] <jesse__> Well I cant get any files to go there.
[04:35] <smaggard> telnet and ssh r 2 diff protocols
[04:36] <intelikey> ind those are three programs that any one might be what you are looking for.
[04:36] <glines> jesse__: ok, have you gotten to the media:/ screen in konqueror, where it shows all your drives?
[04:36] <jesse__> Yes
[04:36] <glines> jesse__: and your floppy is there?
[04:36] <ind> o..
[04:36] <intelikey> ind you can  "man telnet "    for the manual page on that app.
[04:37] <intelikey> ind i'm not really the one to ask about networking.  i'm kinda network illeterate
[04:37] <jesse__> Says floppy and floppy0.
[04:37] <intelikey> yes and floppy is  a symlink to floppy0
[04:37] <glines> jesse__: ok... well, right click on them and try to mount each of them. and tell me what happens
[04:38] <glines> jesse__: wait, i think you might not be in the right place
[04:38] <glines> jesse__: copy and paste your address bar into here
[04:39] <jesse__>    /media
[04:39] <intelikey> glines don't confuse the poor soul.   he's in /media
[04:39] <glines> jesse__: yeah, you're not where I want you ;-)
[04:39] <glines> jesse__: put this in your address bar:        media:/
[04:39] <glines> intelikey: i'm trying my hardest ;-)
[04:39] <intelikey> :)
[04:40] <glines> if hal is working properly, this should be much easier
[04:40] <jesse__> OMFG I love you glines.
[04:40] <intelikey> yeah hal  yuch   ....
[04:40] <glines> jesse__: <3
[04:40] <glines> intelikey: what now :-)
[04:40] <flaccid---> yay fixed my adsl issue
[04:41] <flaccid---> i reckon telstra line here is older than ya mum
[04:41] <flaccid---> can't use lqr packeting
[04:41] <flaccid---> wtf can't we just all have cable in australia :)
[04:41] <glines> jesse__: keep in mind that media:/ works well for flash drives and also cdroms
[04:41] <jesse__> Lol now how would I have goten to that just clicking buttons on the desktop?
[04:41] <glines> and, well, other media ;-)
[04:42] <glines> jesse__: ok...
[04:42] <glines> jesse__: see the icon next to the address bar?
[04:42] <darthdual> You could probably send messages by kangaroo faster
[04:42] <glines> jesse__: drag it to the desktop and a menu should apper. choose "create link"
[04:42] <flaccid---> yes my kangaroo is tired :)
[04:42] <glines> jesse__: actually, that's wrong...
[04:43] <darthdual> Let him rest a little.  Get him a cell phone.
[04:43] <flaccid---> if you right click desktop you can select what icons you want - mounted/unmounted media etc.
[04:43] <darthdual> :-)
[04:43] <glines> jesse__: ohh, nvm, that should work. that's right :-P
[04:43] <flaccid---> hehe i think he needs a sat phone for the outback :)
[04:43] <ind> intelikey-- i want to install driver for my wireless pci card in pebble linux, but there is no kernel source..
[04:43] <glines> it's "Link here"
[04:44] <glines> ind: pebble linux?
[04:44] <intelikey> no kernel source ?
[04:44] <glines> ZOMG A GPL VIOLATION! o.0
[04:44] <intelikey> kernel.org
[04:44] <ind> glines-- yes, pebble
[04:44] <dwidmann> glines: where?
[04:44] <glines> dwidmann: right behind you! ;-)
[04:44] <dwidmann> EEk!!
[04:44] <jesse__> Now how do I format my floppy now that I can see it.
[04:45] <glines> jesse__: that's another story...
[04:45] <intelikey> glines not really.  they know that the kernel is on the web.   so if they are not changing the source, just compiling a kernel for use  it's not a violation to not REpost kernel source.
[04:45] <ind> intelikey-- ok i have downloaded it, now, what i have to do?
[04:45] <dwidmann> sudo aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[04:45] <ind> intelikey-- just extract it in /usr/src?
[04:46] <intelikey> ind yes  should be
[04:46] <glines> jesse__: i've never done it before (i don't have any floppies) but you can use something like gparted
[04:46] <glines> (i think... maybe. correct me if i'm wrong guys)
[04:46] <ind> intelikey-- without compiling or other things?
[04:46] <intelikey> jesse__ you have to make it so you can't see it to format it.
[04:47] <jesse__> When I try to mount the floppy it says unknown error.
[04:47] <intelikey> ind yes.   but the source needs to be the same version.  you did get the right version?
[04:47] <ind> intelikey--yes, 2.4.31
[04:47] <ind> thanx
[04:48] <Furesho> by any chance can anyone point me to a step-by-step tutorial on sharing my files on my kubuntu box with windows machines?
[04:48] <jesse__> All I want to do is put one file on this floppy.
[04:48] <intelikey> !samba | Furesho
[04:48] <ubotu> Furesho: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:49] <bkudria> texlive-base-bin postinst fails with: "fmtutil: config file `fmtutil.cnf' not found.".  what could be wrong?
[04:49] <jesse__> Seems a lot harder to do than it should be.
[04:49] <glines> jesse__: try the command "sudo mkfs.msdos /dev/fd0"
[04:49] <glines> but I really have no clue... never used a floppy before ;-P
[04:50] <jesse__> mkfs.msdos: /dev/fd0 contains a mounted file system
[04:50] <jesse__> Is this good?
[04:50] <glines> jesse__: ohh, no
[04:50] <glines> jesse__: unmount the floppy using konqueror
[04:50] <glines> right click, it's easy
[04:50] <intelikey> means it's mounted.  and you don't "format" mounted fs's
[04:51] <glines> because that would be terrible ;-P
[04:51] <ind> intelikey-- maybe jesse have a problem with file system type? I have an experience with it.. my storage device cannot be read in both kubuntu and windows.. the file system type is ext2, when I copied the image of pyramid linux and booting from it, kernel panic... after that, the file system changed to something, error I think.. not ext2, vfat, or the others..
[04:51] <jesse__> Only gives me option to mount in Konquerer.
[04:51] <glines> hmm... i'm gonna bother #ubuntu about my nvidia-legacy woes ;-)
[04:51] <glines> jesse__: it shouldn't be mounted then...
[04:52] <draik> Ok
[04:52] <jesse__> Its a new floppy that has not been formated I think.
[04:52] <glines> jesse__: huh, most are formated
[04:52] <draik> so I figured out the issue with Autostart... thanks again intelikey
[04:52] <intelikey> jesse__ if you'll close konqueror for a minute and open a konsole i'll give you about three commands that will do all you are trying to do....    also i would need to know the name of the file on the desktop that you want copied.
[04:52] <draik> Now, if I can only get the embeded audio to play
[04:53] <glines> my parent's comptuer has a floppy drive... but it's more of a floppy shreader. floppies go in, but data doesn't come out ;-P
[04:53] <draik> intelikey: I have the latest java installed
[04:53] <jesse__> Ok one sec Intellikey
[04:53] <glines> intelikey: nothing wrong with a little konqueror :-)
[04:53] <draik> BTW, is there a key needed for wine all of a sudden? I didn't need one before
[04:53] <intelikey> draik i don't do java flash or windows.    sorry.
[04:54] <intelikey> glines was just an offer.
[04:54] <draik> intelikey: you told me to install the latest flash... I have flash 9.
[04:54] <draik> intelikey: I also went ahead and checked my java, up-to-date
[04:54] <glines> draik: the only need for wine is to be able to run filezilla... well, untill the next release when it is ported to *nix ;-)
[04:55] <jesse__> 378ata_100104528.zip   is the File I would like to get on my floppy.
[04:55] <intelikey> draik yes that was a guess.  you have drawn all the water you can from this well on that subject.
[04:55] <glines> jesse__: is it a mobo bios update?
[04:55] <draik> glines: I have wine just in case I need something from winxp, other than that zilch... I only ask because on my updates it says that I'm missing the key, but I don't have a key associated with wine
[04:55] <jesse__> The file is a SATA driver so that I can install windows.
[04:55] <glines> :-O
[04:55] <draik> intelikey: Thank you
[04:56] <glines> we're not speaking to you jesse! ;-)
[04:56] <glines> jk <3
[04:56] <draik> anyone here know about using rdesktop?
[04:56] <draik> !rdesktop
[04:56] <ubotu> rdesktop: RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.1-1.1 (edgy), package size 98 kB, installed size 388 kB
[04:56] <intelikey> jesse__ ok copy and paste this string into the konsole;                                                                       sudo umount /dev/fd0 ;sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0
[04:56] <jesse__> I am taking classes and I need both linux boxes and windows boxes
[04:56] <glines> draik: grdesktop is a pretty nice gui for it
[04:56] <bxnp> yes draik
[04:56] <bxnp> it works good very good
[04:56] <jjesse> draik: i use tsclient isntead
[04:56] <glines> draik: it emulates window's rdesktop gui
[04:57] <glines> almost exactly
[04:57] <bxnp> if you want a good gui for it use the gnome client
[04:57] <glines> except it has a few more features ;P
[04:57] <flaccid---> brb modem swap
[04:57] <jesse__> failed whilst writing FAT
[04:57] <glines> yeah, but with grdesktop you don't need the gnome depndancies
[04:57] <glines> jesse__: :-/
[04:57] <draik> bxnp glines jjesse I ask because I want to be able to remote into my friend's computer (KUBUNTU, with a GUI other than SSH) and my fiance's desktop (winxp)
[04:58] <jjesse> rdesktop by default isn't installed correctly
[04:58] <bxnp> http://www.postproductie.nl/burningman/sir2.png
[04:58] <glines> draik: ohh, you should use vnc then
[04:58] <intelikey> jesse__ is the little tab pulled up in the no-write possion on the disket ?
[04:58] <draik> glines: I heard VNC isn't secure and just cruddy
[04:58] <jesse__> Ok I just got a new floppy that says it is preformated.
[04:58] <bxnp> that is the client i use draik  follow the url
[04:58] <glines> draik: if it's over a LAN you should be fine
[04:59] <Dr_willis> vnc is darn handy.
[04:59] <intelikey> jesse__ sounds like the one you had in the drive was locked.
[04:59] <glines> draik: but if you want internet access, you can set up ssh and tunnel vnc through it. that makse it more secure than basically anything else out there
[04:59] <bxnp> but draik you want to acces a remote windows xp box right?
[05:00] <glines> draik: do you need to remote desktop over the internet?
[05:00] <intelikey> jesse__ ok.  do this in the console;                                               sudo mount -o umask=000 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy  && cp ~/Desktop/378ata_100104528.zip /media/floppy
[05:01] <draik> bxnp: Yes. My fiance is on winxp
[05:01] <bxnp> oke just use rdesktop that is very good and simple to setup
[05:01] <bxnp> did you looked at the screenshot i posted
[05:01] <draik> glines: Yes. Friend is a city over and Fiance is currently in another state getting our new home ready
[05:01] <glines> draik: ok, you'll need to set up ssh then
[05:01] <draik> bxnp: I will in 1 sec
[05:01] <bxnp> http://www.postproductie.nl/burningman/sir2.png here draik
[05:01] <jesse__> Ok drive seems to be doing somthing.
[05:01] <glines> draik: niether rdesktop or vnc are secure over the internet without an ssh tunnel
[05:02] <draik> glines: I have ssh setup on my desktop and my friend's (Both Kubuntu 6.10)
[05:02] <bxnp> are there free ssh servers for windows glines ??
[05:02] <intelikey> jesse__ ok type in;   sync ;sudo umount /dev/fd0                          and you can remove the disk as soon as it stops writing.
[05:02] <draik> bxnp: YES!!!!!!!!
[05:02] <glines> draik: ok, you just need to forward that ssh server through your router using port forwarding
[05:02] <draik> bxnp: That is what I am looking for
[05:03] <intelikey> jesse__ you're done dude
[05:03] <bxnp> most off them you have to pay for
[05:03] <jesse__> Ya so I like Linux but I dont know how to use it that well yet.
[05:03] <glines> draik: then you need to follow these instructions: http://martybugs.net/smoothwall/puttyvnc.cgi  in order to configure a putty client on the remote box
[05:03] <bxnp> oke draik try this out do apt-get install tsclient
[05:04] <bxnp> and see how this works
[05:04] <bxnp> and then look for a free ssh server so you can tunnel the session
[05:04] <glines> bxnp: yes, there are ssh servers for windows. there's an openssh client/server combo if you take 2 seconds to google search
[05:04] <draik> bxnp: DONE
[05:04] <bxnp> cool glines, well i was wondering
[05:05] <intelikey> jesse__ word !   most people that have used M$ windows for several years and then try linux, have the terrable misconception that they should know quite a lot about it based on their windows experance.   nothing could be farther from the truth.    forget all you know about computers and start fresh.
[05:05] <glines> but really if you have a linux box in the same subnet as the windows box, you can just tunnel to the linux one and then connect to the windows one with vnc
[05:05] <bxnp> anyway i dont have windows so i never looked
[05:05] <jesse__> Ok thank you intelikey and glines.
[05:05] <intelikey> np
[05:05] <glines> jesse__: you are welcome anytime ;-)
[05:05] <glines> i love helping people on irc...
[05:05] <bxnp> yes i know glines
[05:06] <draik> glines: Thank you. I will print that out and review it so that I can do it on all computers
[05:06] <draik> bxnp: Ok, what now? The install is done
[05:06] <jesse__> I intend to keep linux alive on this box but I need windows also for sckool.
[05:06] <bxnp> do alt f2
[05:06] <glines> draik: that smoothwall link i gave you should explain everything
[05:06] <bxnp> and launch tsclient
[05:06] <draik> ok
[05:07] <bxnp> and fill in the information needed to connect to the desktop
[05:07] <intelikey> glines i didn't mean to be "stealing a customer" from you.  it just looked like, "the easy way, was making it very hard."
[05:07] <glines> draik: well, actually, it seems it was written for smoothwal...
[05:07] <draik> What ports do I need forwarded on his router and mine?
[05:07] <bxnp> i hope you configured it to accept remote sessions
[05:07] <glines> draik: port 22 is ssh
[05:07] <bxnp> the windows box i mean
[05:07] <draik> bxnp: No, he's running Kubuntu 6.10 just like me
[05:08] <bxnp> oh then this tsclient is not what you are looking for
[05:08] <draik> bxnp: what would I need?
[05:08] <glines> naw! ssh+vnc ftw!
[05:08] <bxnp> use freenx
[05:08] <bxnp> go to the website of nomachine
[05:08] <glines> and really, don't use rdesktop over the internet. that's terrible
[05:08] <glines> but you can tunnel rdesktop if you like
[05:09] <draik> bxnp: Got a link?
[05:09] <bxnp> google it
[05:09] <bxnp> and you will find it
[05:09] <intelikey> nomachine.com ?
[05:12] <dwidmann> Any takers?
[05:12] <tamacracker__> Can ANYONE please help me UNINSTALL ALL my VIDEO DRIVERS, DELETE them so that NON of THEIR FILES exist on MY computer, and start fresh by RE-INSTALLING the PROPER VIDEO DRIVER.
[05:13] <intelikey> what is the "proper vidio driver" ?
[05:13] <dwidmann> tamacracker__, I bet envy can do it :D
[05:15] <tamacracker__> Can ANYONE please help me UNINSTALL ALL my VIDEO DRIVERS, DELETE them so that NON of THEIR FILES exist on MY computer, and start fresh by RE-INSTALLING the PROPER VIDEO DRIVER.
[05:15] <intelikey> tamacracker__ sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-* && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:15] <intelikey> sickem' big boy!
[05:16] <andre> I've just added a disk to my fstab file.  what's the command for unmounting/mount my drives in that list?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> mount -a
[05:16] <Dr_willis> man mount
[05:16] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:16] <Dr_willis> well 'sudo mount -a'
[05:17] <andre> tx Dr_willis lemme try
[05:17] <Dr_willis> 'do, or do not. there is no try....'
[05:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:17] <andre> do not
[05:17] <tamacracker__> >.>
[05:17] <intelikey> andre if it's default or auto  in the options.  else     sudo mount /mountpoint
[05:17] <tamacracker__> intelikey im on ubuntu so type ubuntu?
[05:18] <andre> sec  lemme give ya output
[05:18] <intelikey> tamacracker__ what ever desktop you want.
[05:18] <jesse> Lol
[05:18] <tamacracker__> will i lose all the stuff i downloaded such as themes and backgrounds?
[05:18] <andre> most drives are already mounted
[05:18] <andre> so I get errors
[05:18] <jesse> The file needs to be unzipped before using it.
[05:19] <intelikey> tamacracker__ kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop  or just  the basics   and a window manager    twm maybe
[05:19] <Furesho> what to they mean in this tutorial by "the share"? are they talking about the folder i want to share?
[05:19] <tamacracker__> intelikey ><
[05:19] <tamacracker__> if i use that command
[05:19] <tamacracker__> the files i have on my desktop
[05:20] <tamacracker__> such as themes, backgrounds, music etc...
[05:20] <tamacracker__> will they be deleted?
[05:20] <tamacracker__> sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-* && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop <- that command
[05:20] <intelikey> jesse right click should give you and option to open in the archiver
[05:20] <intelikey> tamacracker__ no.
[05:20] <jesse> Ok got that under controll
[05:21] <intelikey> tamacracker__ you say files i have on my desktop   if you mand installed themes    then i can't say on that.
[05:21] <intelikey> if you mean in your home dir then NO.
[05:22] <rDrake> draik are you here
[05:22] <draik> I was just printing it out glines
[05:22] <bhrich902arch> ...
[05:22] <rDrake> oke take a look at the screenshots if my remote nxsession
[05:23] <draik> rDrake, yo
[05:23] <tamacracker__> intelikey but for a fact i wont lose my mp3s right?
[05:23] <tamacracker__> if i use this: sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-* && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:23] <Dr_willis> installingpackages should NEVER affect the stuff in the users /home dirs
[05:23] <jesse> Ok now how do I get the floppy mounted
[05:24] <draik> rDrake, where are your screenshots?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> 'should' :)
[05:24] <bxnp> oke they are at http://www.postproductie.nl/burningman/drake.png and http://www.postproductie.nl/burningman/draike1.png
[05:24] <bxnp> i am here
[05:24] <rDrake> and here
[05:24] <jesse> I have unzipped all files but floppy is not available for me to put files on.
[05:25] <rDrake> here iam via nxmachine testdrive
[05:25] <bxnp> and here i am at my own box
[05:25] <draik> bxnp: Your first link is dead
[05:25] <bxnp> yeah put the i in it
[05:25] <intelikey> jesse mount it.                        sudo mount -o umask=000 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[05:25] <bxnp> drake.png must be draike.png
[05:26] <draik> VERY NICE
[05:26] <rDrake> yes that is you can do with nx
[05:26] <intelikey> jesse just don't forget to       sync ;sudo umount /dev/fd0       before you pull the disk.
[05:26] <rDrake> wich is a very cool little
[05:26] <bxnp> program
[05:26] <draik> how do I get nx?
[05:27] <bxnp> go to the website and download the thing
[05:27] <bxnp> read the paper's its very easy
[05:27] <intelikey> jesse that driver disk you installing that driver in windows ?     for the asus storage device ?
[05:28] <bxnp> http://www.nomachine.com/ draike
[05:28] <bxnp> the funny thing is that there core technology is opensource
[05:28] <jesse> Its a SATA driver for the HD, windows is dumb and does not know what SATA is when you install it.
[05:28] <bxnp-remote> anyway i am gone
[05:29] <Dr_willis> good old windows...
[05:29] <Dr_willis> jesse,  theres a way to 'remaster' the xp cd's and include such drivers.  (i hear)
[05:29] <bhrich902arch> ...
[05:29] <jesse> I have heard that too, it is called slip streaming.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> I went to all the effort to get windows workin gon my sata/raid.. then discovered . it wasent worth the effort.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:30] <intelikey> i was just hoping that this wasn't a futile attempt at using that driver in linux...
[05:30] <intelikey> (:
[05:30] <jesse> Lol\
[05:31] <saki> anyone here know how to install a i386 kernel along side your x86_64 installation?
[05:31] <jesse> Not that much of a noobcake but close.
[05:31] <mefisto> I'm having trouble with KOrganizer: it won't start when clicking the tray icon (as it did in Dapper). I found this bug while googling http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135513 Can someone take a look at that page and tell me if it actually contains a solution? I don't quite understand it.
[05:31] <intelikey> along side ????    chroot maybe.
[05:32] <intelikey> !chroot
[05:32] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[05:32] <jesse> So how do I get my extracted files on the floppy?
[05:32] <intelikey> use konqueror ?
[05:33] <jesse> Does not show floppy as mounted
[05:33] <intelikey> navagate to /media/floppy
[05:34] <intelikey> up button up button
[05:34] <intelikey> dive dive.       aoooogah
[05:35] <Dr_willis> or type in media:/ and see whats tehre.
[05:35] <Dr_willis> right click/mount the floppy perhaps?
[05:35] <jesse> One sec
[05:35] <jesse> Having a hell of a time with this.
[05:35] <bxnp> draike take a look at http://www.postproductie.nl/burningman/draike2.png
[05:35] <intelikey> Dr_willis no  it's not working   cause i interfered and had him mount the thing.
[05:36] <bxnp> not for the windows haters in this crowd :0
[05:37] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  :)
[05:37] <jesse> For the love of god now it says the disk is full.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> take it out and shake it real hard.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:40] <jesse> Ok now how do I format this disk again?
[05:40] <dbglt> hey everyone. I downloaded the feisty herd 2 installer, and am trying to install off the livecd, but it crashes when I get to the partitioning stage
[05:40] <dbglt> is this a known bug?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> why format.. delete the files on it.
[05:40] <dwidmann> dbglt, quite known
[05:41] <dwidmann> it has been reported, like 20 or more times in fact
[05:41] <bxnp> draike did you saw the last pictures i posted
[05:41] <dwidmann> sudo aptitude install ubiquity-frontend-kde should fix it
[05:41] <jesse> Ok how do I delete?
[05:41] <bxnp> or are you installing the program
[05:41] <Dr_willis> i tend to use the 'rm' command to delete files.
[05:41] <Dr_willis> or the 'mc' tool
[05:41] <dbglt> dwidmann: I'm not connected to the internet on that machine
[05:41] <dbglt> dwidmann: will that matter?
[05:41] <dwidmann> Yes.
[05:42] <dbglt> I've got a wpa-psk network. Kubuntu hasn't picked it up
[05:42] <dbglt> I assume I'll need to do some manual hacking about once it is installed
[05:42] <dbglt> *wireless
[05:43] <dwidmann> either that or rsync the cd image ..
[05:43] <the_hammer> is the new kubuntu 610 a beta by chance?
[05:43] <dbglt> dwidmann: what?
[05:43] <dwidmann> the_hammer: know, it's stable
[05:43] <the_hammer> or is it an offical release?
[05:43] <dwidmann> **no
[05:43] <the_hammer> ok
[05:43] <dwidmann> official release
[05:43] <saki> where does kubuntu put its xsession files at?
[05:43] <bxnp> dbglt: is your card working under kubuntu
[05:43] <the_hammer> anyone in here run a laptop with kubuntu 610?
[05:44] <john-nrc_> i am new to linux
[05:44] <dbglt> bxnp: no idea. I hasn't shown up under the livecd
[05:44] <mefisto> I'm having trouble with KOrganizer: it won't start when clicking the tray icon (as it did in Dapper). I found this bug while googling http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135513 Can someone take a look at that page and tell me if it actually contains a solution?  I can't install it, as the installer keeps crashing at the partition stage
[05:45] <the_hammer> says my laptop lid is closed and stoping or something
[05:45] <jesse>  /media/floppy How do I makes this empty so I can put files there?
[05:45] <bxnp> oh you dont have that much ram on your system
[05:45] <dbglt> bxnp: pardon?
[05:45] <bxnp> how much ram do you have
[05:45] <dbglt> 1gb
[05:46] <the_hammer> me?
[05:46] <bxnp> lol
[05:46] <dwidmann> mefisto__: it looks like that was supposed to be fixed for kde 3.5.5
[05:46] <the_hammer> 512
[05:46] <the_hammer> i had installer crashing to
[05:46] <bhrich902arch> ...
[05:46] <bxnp> oke, well that this is not the problem and which version do you install
[05:46] <dbglt> bxnp: it shows eth1 as having a devic
[05:46] <dbglt> *device
[05:46] <the_hammer> i kept fighting with it but managed to get install
[05:46] <dwidmann> or wait, 3.5.6
[05:46] <dbglt> "unassociated"
[05:46] <intelikey> jesse      sudo rm -fr /media/floppy
[05:47] <intelikey> enough said.
[05:47] <bxnp> ah
[05:47] <dwidmann> dbglt, as I said, you have to update the ubiquity-frontend-kde package, it might involve updating another package or two also, but after that the install will run
[05:48] <the_hammer> what kern is kubuntu 610 ?
[05:48] <dwidmann> 2.6.1
[05:48] <dwidmann> *7
[05:48] <dbglt> dwidmann: ok, managed to hook it up to a wired router :)
[05:48] <intelikey> 2.5.17
[05:48] <mefisto__> dwidmann: 3.5.5 is the kde version on edgy, right?
[05:48] <bxnp> dwidmann: is he trying to install kubuntu 6.10
[05:48] <intelikey> heh  5=6
[05:48] <dbglt> dwidmann: how does a package isntall ? Into ramdisk?
[05:48] <dwidmann> mefiesto, yes, but it looks like it was reported on kde3.5.5 and fixed for kde3.5.6
[05:48] <dwidmann> dbglt: yes
[05:48] <the_hammer> ya i red that to
[05:49] <dbglt> dwidmann: it tells me it is already the newestr ver
[05:49] <dwidmann> dbglt: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install ubiquity-frontend-kde
[05:49] <intelikey> lol
[05:49] <intelikey> Dr_willis be nice.
[05:49] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:50] <dwidmann> hmm, looks like k3b release candidate five is out
[05:50] <saki> !beryl
[05:50] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:50] <jesse> I dont understand why the floppy is full there is nothing on it.
[05:51] <intelikey> df
[05:51] <mefisto__> dwidmann: so I just have to wait for an updated package with the fix? Or is there some file editing described in that page that will fix it now?
[05:51] <dwidmann> mefiesto__: kde 3.5.6 is out, check www.kubuntu.org for how to update
[05:51] <Dr_willis> jesse,  i would guess a permission issue then. you trying to write to the floppy as the wrong owner.. OR the write protect tab is moved up.
[05:51] <dwidmann> It should be fixed in kde 3.5.6, according to that bug report
[05:52] <jesse> Not the write protect tab
[05:52] <intelikey> umask=000
[05:52] <Dr_willis> of course poping out the floppy with it mounted.. can confuse all sorts of things.. :)
[05:52] <jesse> I got the Zip file on the disk.
[05:52] <intelikey> i would guess that konqueror is using a trash can someplace
[05:53] <Dr_willis> i dont even have a floppy disk to test. :)
[05:53] <Dr_willis> i got a floppy drive.. but its not even hooked up. at this time. heh
[05:53] <jesse> But I should have unzipped than put the files I needed on the floppy.
[05:53] <intelikey> and if it's a trash can  going to trash:/// and deleting what's there should fix it      no?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> not sure if trash: works on media like floppies.
[05:54] <intelikey> Dr_willis i have a 5.25 and 3.5   want me to test it ?
[05:54] <Dr_willis> plus that rm -rf command ya gave earlier should of delted the trash shouldent it?
[05:54] <jesse> Ok now my floppy is gone.
[05:55] <intelikey> that's automount for you.
[05:55] <the_hammer> does ndiswrapper i work in kubuntu?
[05:55] <jesse> Could not remove folder /media/floppy0/.Trash-1000/files/NT4.
[05:55] <intelikey> Dr_willis i think it was done prior to the rm command.
[05:55] <intelikey> there it is.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> I think a reboot is needed...   :)
[05:55] <intelikey> lol
[05:55] <mefisto__> dwidmann: it says the packages are not well supported. Should I be wary of that? I don't want to introduce more problems.
[05:56] <intelikey> windows answer to all problems....      reboot.
[05:56] <intelikey> lol
[05:56] <dwidmann> mefisto__: Well, they certainly seem to work okay for me :)
[05:56] <jesse> Ok I just put a new floppy in the floppy drive.
[05:56] <intelikey> probably without umounting it first.....
[05:56] <Furesho> i followed the directions up to the end with no complaints until i got to the last step.....
[05:57] <bxnp> draik: any luck
[05:57] <jesse> Starting from the start how do I get files on to the floppy? I have the files I need decompressed in a folder.
[05:57] <draik> fiance using her desktop right now and friend is offline and probably already in bed
[05:58] <draik> I'm testing with my laptop, but I want to get things set first
[05:58] <bxnp> do you have the client installed on the laptop
[05:58] <bxnp> on your desktop system i meant
[05:58] <draik> oh,
[05:58] <draik> Yeah, it's installed on my desktop
[05:58] <bxnp> oke
[05:58] <bxnp> do this
[05:58] <draik> 1 question though, why did nx go to my Lost & Found?
[05:59] <bxnp> dunno did you ave a crash
[05:59] <draik> yeah
[05:59] <mefisto__> dwidmann: I'm feeling cautious. Has anyone else updated to kde 3.5.6? Any foreseeable problems?
[05:59] <bxnp> lol
[05:59] <draik> missing lib
[05:59] <bxnp> and is that fixed
[05:59] <draik> yuppers
[05:59] <intelikey> ok i can't test the trash theory cause konqueror only breaks glass at me when i try to    media:///floppy    unless i remount my os that's all i'll get out of it.
[05:59] <Taime1> i have a question about software packages
[05:59] <bxnp> try this file
[05:59] <bxnp> you can connect to the remote servers of nxmachine
[05:59] <Taime1> i dont know how to ask it really...
[06:00] <draik> ok
[06:00] <jesse> I am about to just go to Walmart and ask them if I can use one of there computers with a floppy on it.
[06:00] <bxnp> you have to accept the file
[06:00] <dwidmann> mefisto__: the upgrade might not go perfectly smooth, but lots of people have upgraded to kde 3.5.6, if the upgrade gives you any trouble, it can be worked out easily enough.
[06:00] <Taime1> i know that open office is up to2.1
[06:00] <Taime1> but my sources lists tell me that 2.0 is the newest release
[06:01] <Taime1> is that because ubuntu edgy doesnt have oo 2.1 packages yet?
[06:01] <bxnp> yes
[06:01] <dbglt> ugh
[06:01] <jesse> I have now spent 6 hours trying to get less than 1MB of data onto a floppy.
[06:01] <dbglt> unable to resize NTFS partition, I take it?
[06:01] <draik> ?
[06:01] <Taime1> so i guess that goes for amarok and other programs...?
[06:02] <dbglt> (using the livecd installer)
[06:02] <bxnp> the file i am sending to you
[06:02] <dbglt> resizing my main ntfs partition fails :(
[06:02] <dwidmann> jesse: floppies make me sad.
[06:02] <intelikey> jesse;   sudo umount /dev/fd0 ;sudo mount /dev/fd0 -o umask=000 /media/floppy && cp -r <list all the files or dirs here> /media/floppy
[06:02] <dawn> whats a good prog to rip dvds?
[06:02] <intelikey> <list all the files or dirs here>  <<<< means what it says.
[06:02] <draik> got it
[06:02] <draik> i said yes
[06:02] <dbglt> dawn: for just an image, use k3b
[06:02] <dawn> ok
[06:02] <bxnp> you have it already draike
[06:03] <intelikey> you replace <list all the files or dirs here> with filename.one filename.two      or   dirname/
[06:03] <bxnp> ehm then my konversation does not work good
[06:03] <jesse> Ok done
[06:03] <mefisto__> dwidmann: one last question. can I add those repos and just install the updated korganizer that's giving me trouble? Or do I have to upgrade the whole thing?
[06:03] <jesse> Now what?
[06:03] <intelikey> sudo umount /dev/fd0
[06:03] <dwidmann> mefisto__: probably the whole thing.
[06:03] <mefisto__> ok thanks
[06:04] <draik> nope
[06:04] <mortici> wth
[06:04] <draik> it failed
[06:04] <mortici> i purged beryl
[06:04] <mortici> and i still get this error
[06:04] <mortici> beryl: decoration: property ignored because version is 0 and decoration plugin version is 20061011
[06:04] <jesse> Can I cut and paste files now?
[06:05] <intelikey> short answer,  no
[06:05] <intelikey> go check the disk in the windows box now
[06:05] <jesse> This is the windows box
[06:05] <jesse> Duel boot.
[06:06] <Dr_willis> Dual Boot. :)
[06:06] <jesse> Whay we did first worked, I just ran out of space on the disk.
[06:07] <intelikey> jesse if you ran the string i just gave you there should have been lots of disk activity
[06:07] <intelikey> was there ?
[06:07] <jesse> mount: mount point /media/floppy does not exist
[06:08] <intelikey> oh my...  you nuked it.
[06:08] <intelikey> ok use media in sted
[06:08] <jesse>  media:/   Under that I see a floppy icon but cant do anything with i.
[06:08] <jesse> it
[06:09] <jesse> No green tag on the left of it.
[06:09] <jesse> Right I mean
[06:09] <Taime1> this is the first release of ubuntu i have used... is it possible to upgrade to the newest "fawn" or whatever when it comes out? i mean, do i have to do a complete reinstall or is it upgradeable through apt?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> right click on it?
[06:10] <dwidmann> Taime1: it won't be out til April
[06:10] <Taime1> that wasnt my question
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Taime1,  in the past - its been better to reinstall clean.. but that is 'being worked on' :)
[06:10] <mortici> wtfh
[06:10] <Taime1> i see
[06:10] <mortici> my decorations wont show up with latest svn
[06:10] <Dr_willis> i imagine it will always be less hassle to reisntall clean. :)
[06:10] <jesse> Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken
[06:10] <Dr_willis> but then ya got the hassle of backing stuff up.
[06:10] <dwidmann> Taime1: well, an improved upgrader for Kubuntu is being worked on and hopefully it will be existent before Feisty Fawn is released
[06:10] <dwidmann> It should make the upgrade process significantly less painful
[06:11] <jesse> That is what happens when I try mounting floppy.
[06:11] <Taime1> thats cool
[06:11] <Taime1> sorry bout the silly questions
[06:11] <Taime1> i guess if something is stable, thats more than i should ask for in the linux world eh?
[06:11] <dwidmann> It's not silly, honest! The upgrade to Edgy from Dapper didn't go smoothly at all. I mean, it was doable, but blah.
[06:12] <Dr_willis> the last few releases have had HUGE changes.. thats always a potential problem
[06:12] <bxnp> why would anybody upgrade anyway
[06:12] <Taime1> im strange, i like the newest everything
[06:12] <bxnp> stop this upgrading and upgrade only if you need extra functionality
[06:12] <dwidmann> updated software = fixed bugs = happy campers
[06:12] <Dr_willis> keep /home on its own hard drive or parittion.. and cleanreinstall
[06:12] <Taime1> im young, i guess thats my problem
[06:12] <Dr_willis> bxnp,  sort of defeats the name 'edgy' then : )
[06:13] <Taime1> hey
[06:13] <bxnp> most people get into problems cause they do upgrade;s
[06:13] <Dr_willis> not that edgy was very... edgy.
[06:13] <Taime1> when you do a clean install,
[06:13] <Taime1> how do you tell it to preserve data in home?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> Lets just leave the PC's turned off!
[06:13] <bxnp> if something is stable dont upgrade only do security upgrades
[06:13] <Taime1> is there an option for that?
[06:13] <dwidmann> dr_willis, well, upstart certainly looks very ambitious/edgy
[06:13] <dawn> ok k3b works nicely
[06:13] <dawn> thx
[06:13] <dawn> dbglt
[06:13] <Dr_willis> Taime1,  keep /home in its own partition or hard drive...
[06:13] <jesse> Why can I see a floppy icon in Konqueror but not do anything IE put files I want on to it?
[06:13] <Taime1> well thats cool
[06:13] <Dr_willis> jesse,  i would guess by this time - the system is very confused as to the state of the floppy drive.
[06:14] <Dr_willis> jesse,  or have you rebooted recently?
[06:14] <intelikey> the little green curly arrows are nice
[06:14] <dawn> hehe
[06:14] <jesse> No should I?
[06:14] <dwidmann> usb drive > floppy drive
[06:14] <Taime1> lol@dwidmann
[06:14] <Dr_willis> jesse,  given all the twiddling youve done with it in the last hour... it may be a good idea.
[06:15] <jesse> Ok be back in a sec
[06:15] <Taime1> whats a floppy?
[06:15] <dawn> now that I have tightvnc installed
[06:15] <Dr_willis> quick lets all change rooms!
[06:15] <intelikey> dwidmann jesse seems to be playing with a real floppy drive not one of those usb things....  :)
[06:15] <Dr_willis> Oh wait.. he hasent left yet.. :)
[06:15] <dawn> whats a simple way to invoke it as a process that is running all the time
[06:15] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: lol!
[06:15] <intelikey> now we can
[06:15] <intelikey> (:
[06:15] <dwidmann> intelikey: I mean usb flash drive ...
[06:15] <Dr_willis> dawn,  depends on what you want it to do. Ive seen guides on settingup vnc to auto-spawn and give a kdm/gdm login screen as needed.
[06:16] <Taime1> okay, thanks for answering my ?s
[06:16] <dawn> hmmmm
[06:16] <Taime1> later
[06:16] <dawn> well I do want an X screen
[06:16] <mefisto__> is it possible to undo an upgrade of several packages?
[06:16] <dawn> I have to do some more reading
[06:16] <Dr_willis> dawn,   vnc runs a X session. :) so you can set it up to spawn/run KDM that then lets you login as you would locally.
[06:17] <dwidmann> mefisto__: why do you want to undo it?
[06:17] <dawn> thx Doc.
[06:17] <dawn> I have multiple machines to manage remotely
[06:17] <mefisto__> dwidmann: I don't (yet). Just wondering if it's possible
[06:17] <dwidmann> well, it's not as easy as upgrading, but it is doable
[06:17] <ForgeAus> how do I tell if I'm using swapspace?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  try the 'free' command
[06:18] <mefisto__> dwidmann: I have to undo one package at a time?
[06:18] <dwidmann> ForgeAus: grep swap /etc/mtab
[06:18] <ForgeAus> um ok swap 0 0 0
[06:18] <intelikey> heh /root is 62 bites
[06:18] <ForgeAus> blank dwidman
[06:18] <dwidmann> mefisto__: shouldn't have to, I can't remember if it comes down to having to do that or not
[06:18] <ForgeAus> how do I enable swapspace?
[06:18] <Dasnipa`> intelikey, whats a bites ?
[06:19] <dwidmann> hmm, that was probably an oops
[06:19] <vbgunz> Why doesn't kubuntu automatically mount Windows partitions in either live or hd install?
[06:19] <dwidmann> let me check something
[06:19] <jesse> Ok this will be my last try at geting simple files on a simple floppy and than I am playing WOW.
[06:19] <dawn> bite...yum yum
[06:19] <intelikey> permission is 444
[06:19] <Jucato> $PATH noob problem here.  when I add my own paths in .bashrc, the correct paths are seen in tty's. however, in Konsole, all the paths with sbin are not seen. how and where can I correctly add paths
[06:19] <intelikey> Dasnipa` a typo for bytes
[06:19] <Dasnipa`> intelikey, figured as much, thought id clarify
[06:19] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  have your .bash_profile source the .bashrc
[06:19] <intelikey> would anyone want to see /root  ?
[06:20] <dawn> ./root is 122kb here
[06:20] <Jucato> Dr_willis: oh thanks. I'll try that
[06:20] <dawn> i just checked
[06:20] <dawn> curious
[06:20] <bxnp> because vbgunz that would be no fun if kubuntu did everything, is it?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  thats the differance between a 'login shell' and a normal starting 'shell' :) well oneof the diffs
[06:20] <intelikey> dawn  ./root ?    you mean /root or do you have a file or dir named root in your home ?
[06:20] <bxnp> jesse what kind of error do you getting
[06:20] <dwidmann> doesn't look like swap shows up in /etc/mtab :\\
[06:21] <vbgunz> bxnp: yes, that would be crazy fun if Windows partitions were automatically mounted
[06:21] <dawn> no I just placed the period so IRC would accept the text
[06:21] <Jucato> Dr_willis: heh figures... but I just want them both to see the correct paths, that is the one from .bashrc and the one from /etc/environment
[06:21] <intelikey> dwidmann no id doesn't always.    free
[06:21] <ForgeAus> hmmm I don't think its working
[06:21] <bxnp> but if you install it you can say that you want your windows partions to be mounted somewhere
[06:21] <smaggard> look at this douche http://www.flickr.com/photos/shawnyboi/375197653/
[06:21] <ForgeAus> kpackage runs out of memory
[06:21] <bxnp> but when the live cd is running i thing they want it to be save not to mount it
[06:22] <ForgeAus> so if I want to use that I probably need swapspace
[06:22] <dawn> hmmm I have a old folder in /media
[06:22] <ForgeAus> I have a partition for it
[06:22] <dawn> but cannot delete it
[06:22] <dawn> why?
[06:22] <ForgeAus> (I can even make a file if I need to
[06:22] <ForgeAus> I just need to have it on
[06:22] <dwidmann> dawn, do you get an error message?
[06:22] <intelikey> ForgeAus  sudo swapon <file or partition>
[06:23] <dawn> when I plug in a usb drive yes
[06:23] <ForgeAus> by partition /dev/sdb3?
[06:23] <vbgunz> bxnp: I can easily mount a windows partition from a hd install but it doesn't look the same at all from the live cd... is there a difference? I cannot find the Windows hd in /dev :(
[06:23] <intelikey> yes
[06:23] <dawn> I get like a ghost cached copy
[06:23] <Jucato> Dr_willis: and by "source .bashrc" you meant what exactly? (I put the line "source /home/jucato/.bashrc" in .bash_profile... didn't work)
[06:23] <ForgeAus> yay thanx!
[06:23] <dawn> this is why
[06:23] <intelikey> ForgeAus if it's been setup for swap...
[06:23] <ForgeAus> it has
[06:23] <dawn> now I understand
[06:23] <intelikey> ok
[06:23] <ForgeAus> its a partitioned as linux-swap
[06:24] <intelikey> Jucato    ". ~/.bashrc "
[06:24] <dawn> Douglas, good name :)
[06:24] <ForgeAus> now so that I don't have to run that ommand manually each time I boot up how do I make it happen auto?
[06:24] <d0uglas> Hi. How can i add a user to the audio group (trying to get sound going)
[06:24] <d0uglas> thanksk dawn :)
[06:24] <jesse> I cant take it anymore, thanks for your help but this is soooo frustraiting.
[06:24] <Jucato> intelikey: put that line in .bash_profile?
[06:24] <d0uglas> nicest thing anyone's said to me all day
[06:24] <intelikey> Jucato that line in the file you want to source it from   yes
[06:24] <bxnp> jesse: what error do you get
[06:25] <jesse> Why in the world will the floppy not mount?
[06:25] <Jucato> rawr! still doesn't work.... :(
[06:25] <intelikey> Jucato i source everything from /etc/profile    but that's just me.
[06:25] <draik> Jucato: What doesn't work?
[06:25] <Jucato> hi draik
[06:25] <bxnp> did you try  out a different floppy
[06:25] <jesse> I just want to get osme files onto the floppy.
[06:25] <intelikey> Jucato you did login ?
[06:25] <bxnp> maybe its broken
[06:25] <Jucato> $PATH issues...
[06:25] <draik> Hey there Jucato
[06:25] <d0uglas> how can i add a user to a group
[06:25] <jesse> Its not the floppy
[06:25] <Jucato> intelikey: isn't .bash_profile supposed to be run at every new Konsole session?
[06:25] <dawn> Access denied to /home/dawn/.local/share/Trash/files/NAS_Disk-1.
[06:26] <dawn> cannot delete it!
[06:26] <d0uglas> or a group to a user
[06:26] <intelikey> Jucato i don't think that konqueror rereads the configs each time.    could be wrong.
[06:26] <jesse> I just dont know how to use Kubuntu Linux
[06:26] <intelikey> konqueror==konsole Jucato
[06:26] <Jucato> intelikey: the thing is, tty's echo the correct path, with the sbin directories. but console doesn't... :(
[06:26] <draik> bxnp: Quick question... What download from NX was I to get?
[06:26] <Jucato> intelikey: yeah I figured what you meant :D
[06:26] <bxnp> you are quick
[06:26] <d0uglas>  sigh
[06:26] <mefisto__> jesse: are you sure it's not the floppy. they aren't the most reliable things...
[06:27] <dwidmann> close konsole, re-open konsole = configs re-read
[06:27] <intelikey> Jucato let me test a few things and i'll get back to you on that.   you caught me with kde running  (:
[06:27] <Jucato> this is so weird/annoying...
[06:27] <jesse> Ok I just put orriginal floppy in
[06:27] <Jucato> intelikey: heh it's ok. it's not a critical issue... just annoying
[06:27] <bxnp> do you see it draike
[06:27] <Dr_willis> put a command in the .bashrc like 'echo THIS is .bashrc" and put one in .bash_profile  saying "echo ThisIs .bash_profile" and see when each runs...
[06:28] <Dr_willis> or just put the identical lines in each one. :)
[06:28] <draik> bxnp: There is no "e" in the name draik
[06:28] <draik> Do I see what?
[06:28] <Jucato> Dr_willis: ok.. that's a funny way to test it. but ok :)
[06:28] <bxnp> lol
[06:28] <bxnp> the file i am trying to send you
[06:28] <bxnp> do you know how dcc receive works ??
[06:28] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  its called 'exploring' :) OR you could read the advance bash guide.. :) and see how it all works.
[06:28] <draik> I do
[06:28] <intelikey> Jucato konsole does NOT reread .bash_profile