[05:14] <cheako> Hello, I'm attempting to sign the CoC.  There is 1 error.\n(7, 9, u'No public key')
[05:15] <cheako> Should gpg have put the public key in the asc also?  I've already provided that to launchpad.
[05:17] <cheako> Ahh, IC they key used was one of my sub keys.
[05:20] <cheako> K, this is strange.  I've put my (main key ID CB0E195E) into launchpad, but regardless of what I do the signature is always created with 4096-bit RSA key, ID 8EDCAB8A.  I believe that's what I'd normally want.
[05:22] <cheako> Sub-keys don't have fingerprints.
[13:53] <jelmer> hey Noldorin
[14:00] <Noldorin> hey jelmer
[14:03] <Noldorin> what's up?
[14:04] <jelmer> not much, how are you?
[14:04] <Noldorin> pretty good thanks
[14:04] <vibhav> how to I register a branch in https://code.launchpad.net/landscape-client?
[14:04] <Noldorin> not a great deal either. working on a few of my pet projects
[14:04] <vibhav> I cant see any "Register A Branch"
[14:04] <jelmer> vibhav: just push a branch
[14:05] <vibhav> ah
[14:05] <jelmer> vibhav: bzr push lp:~vibhav/landscape-client/branchname
[14:05] <vibhav> thanks
[14:06] <jelmer> Noldorin: same here, trying to focus on doing a few things well rather than working on lots of things
[14:06] <Noldorin> ah right
[14:06] <Noldorin> what sort of things? :-)
[14:07] <vibhav> /j/window 9
[14:07] <vibhav> oops :)
[14:07] <jelmer> Noldorin: samba/openchange/bitlbee
[14:07] <Noldorin> ah right
[14:09] <nigelb> jelmer: I keep forgetting that you're a bitlbee dev :)
[14:09] <jelmer> nigelb: well, I haven't actually contributed much to it in the last couple of years, distracted by other things
[14:10] <nigelb> Heh. But still. So cool. :D
[15:20] <cheako> Hello, still looking for help signing the CoC.
[15:36] <exarkun> Why did bzr decide to tell me this?
[15:36] <exarkun> This transport does not update the working tree of: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~twisted-dev/twisted-trac-integration/port-diffresource-to-frack/. See 'bzr help working-trees' for more information.
[15:37] <exarkun> does any transport ever update any working tree of any branch on launchpad?
[15:37] <jelmer> exarkun: branches on launchpad don't have a working tree
[15:37] <jelmer> exarkun: it only tells you this if the remote branch has one
[15:38] <exarkun> if branches on launchpad don't have a working tree, and it only tells me that when a remote branch has a working tree, why did it tell me that?
[15:38] <exarkun> The branch didn't exist on launchpad before that "bzr push" command, it was a new branch
[15:38] <jelmer> exarkun: normally they don't, perhaps you somehow managed to create one
[15:38]  * jelmer looks
[15:39] <jelmer> hmm, no, that one doesn't appear to have a working tree either
[15:39] <jelmer> odd
[16:11] <cheako> I've dput packages to a new ppa and I havn't got a reply or any changes to my ppa for more then 8 hours.
[16:11] <cheako> It's because I havn't signed the CoC?
[16:12] <cheako> How can I get any form of debugging?
[16:12] <cheako> https://launchpad.net/~cheako/+archive/wine4diabloiii
[16:35] <vibhav> cheako: check you mail account, It might have been rejected
[20:11] <fidel> hi - assuming i do have a launchpad-account - is there an option to "bookmark" projects inside a profile? not seeing any option like that right now
[20:33] <cheako> vibhav: I've been checking.  No emails about my uploads and still zero pkgs in the PPA, where else can I get information?  This is my first attempt at using launchpad PPA, though I have used mentors.debian
[21:50] <dobey> fidel: no
[21:51] <dobey> cheako: have you not signed the CoC?
[21:54] <dobey> cheako: you have to sign the code of conduct to have a PPA. not sure why you didn't get a rejection e-mail telling you that though
[22:42] <lifeless> ssh <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:42] <lifeless> bah
[23:58] <idnar> can anyone give me the SSL key fingerprint for Launchpad? I think I have a Firefox Nightly bug here, but I'd like to rule out the possibility of an MITM attack
[23:59] <idnar> or, hmm. I guess there may be multiple SSL certs in use, so that might not help me


  :P
[14:58] <teward> we need at least 1 more
[14:58] <teward> rbasak: you alive?
[15:00] <GunnarHj> I'm here, ready for a hearing. :)
[15:00] <teward> well
[15:01] <teward> i'm going to give it a few more minutes for another member to show up
[15:01] <teward> 'cause we aren't quorate
[15:01] <teward> three of us does not a quorum make.
[15:01] <rbasak> o/
[15:01] <teward> now there's 4 of us.
[15:01] <teward> now where's my meetingology guide again... *forgot*
[15:01] <teward> #startmeeting DMB Meeting - April 5, 2021
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:01:55 UTC.  The chair is teward.   I guess meetingology is being slow and needs a kick but I'mma continue
[15:03] <teward> #subtopic ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over)
[15:03] <ddstreet> carry again please
[15:03] <teward> ok
[15:04] <teward> #subtopic ddstreet to reduce the scope of meeting scheduling mistakes
[15:04] <teward> i see you revised the agenda page
[15:04] <ddstreet> yeah, if everyone is ok with the changes, this is done
[15:04] <teward> nice.  moving on
[15:04] <teward> #subtopic rbasak to announce waveform's successful application
[15:04] <rbasak> Done
[15:05] <teward> nice
[15:05] <teward> #subtopic rbasak to add waveform's PPU ACL items
[15:05] <rbasak> Done
[15:05] <teward> and...
[15:05] <teward> #subtopic rbasak to resolve Alex's request for an alternate meeting venue/time for his application
[15:06] <rbasak> I think that's resolved now, but I should follow up and confirm in the ML now that we have a quorate number of members saying they can make it.
[15:06] <rbasak> Unless there are objections, I'll change the meeting time on that particular day to the agreed time (so no meeting at the usual time - the regular meeting will move for that day only)
[15:07] <teward> so should i leave that action item until you confirm there's a quorate number of members?
[15:07] <rbasak> Sure
[15:07] <teward> ok
[15:07] <teward> gimme 1 second to catch up i'm writing the agenda in gedit as we go because the bot's fubar
[15:08] <teward> so we have no packageset/ppu applications or SRU developer applications and Alex is still pending the ML stuff so
[15:08] <teward> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications
[15:08] <teward> #subtopic Gunnar Hjalmarsson
[15:08] <teward> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GunnarHj/CoreDevApplication
[15:08] <teward> GunnarHj: hello!  Please introduce yourself and say a bit about you while we review your application and come up with any questions for you!
[15:09] <GunnarHj> Hi DMB!
[15:11] <GunnarHj> I've been around for a decade, and have contributed with desktop and i18n stuff mostly. My special profile has resulted in a need to touch quite a few packages both in main and universe. So finally I decided to apply for core-dev to make life easier both for me and my sponsors.
[15:11] <rbasak> Hello!
[15:12] <rbasak> Can you tell us what steps you would expect to take if one of your uploads gets stuck in proposed?
[15:13] <GunnarHj> I would visit the excuses page to find out the reason. Maybe retry some tests, or maybe dig deeper into the cause if needed.
[15:14] <rbasak> OK, thanks.
[15:14] <rbasak> And what would you do if you want to add a new feature to a package three weeks before release?
[15:15] <GunnarHj> File a FFe request bug.
[15:15] <rbasak> Thank you :)
[15:16] <rafaeldtinoco> seb did a good job in his endorsement (splitting cases by MIR, FFe, etc)
[15:17] <rafaeldtinoco> GunnarHj: I see your merges given as examples are 'recent' and the most complex one is gnome-terminal (I guess)
[15:18] <rafaeldtinoco> no questions from me
[15:18] <GunnarHj> rafaeldtinoco: That's probably true.
[15:19] <teward> no questions from me.
[15:20] <rbasak> GunnarHj: what do you know of seeds and transitions?
[15:21] <GunnarHj> rbasak: I'm quite familiar with the seeds, and have submitted a few related merge requests during the years. Not sure which kind of transitions you mean, though.
[15:22] <rbasak> I mean library transitions - soname bumps.
[15:23] <GunnarHj> rbasak: Ah, thanks. Can't say I have dealt with it much, but I remember one case (libpinyin) a couple of years ago.
[15:23] <rbasak> What would you do if you are uploading a package that involves a soname bump?
[15:24] <rbasak> And how would you recognise that this is the case?
[15:25] <GunnarHj> I'd need to make sure to get the dependencies right, and probably refresh the symbols file if any.
[15:26] <rafaeldtinoco> 1.1.1+git20200624+ds2-10ubuntu1 (example of symbols change from GunnarHj, not necessarily because of SONAME bump)
[15:26] <rafaeldtinoco> opencc ^
[15:27] <rafaeldtinoco> coming from debian in this case
[15:27] <GunnarHj> rafaeldtinoco: That was for another reason (A MIR team request for a symbols file).
[15:27] <rafaeldtinoco> yep, I saw it later
[15:28] <rbasak> OK, tanks
[15:28] <rbasak> thanks
[15:28] <rbasak> No more questions from me.
[15:28] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: ^
[15:28] <ddstreet> none from me
[15:29] <ddstreet> i think we're ready to vote teward
[15:29] <teward> yep 1 moment phone just rang
[15:30] <teward> !vote Gunnar Hjalmarsson CoreDev
[15:30] <teward> #vote Gunnar Hjalmarsson CoreDev
[15:30] <meetingology> Please vote on: Gunnar Hjalmarsson CoreDev
[15:30] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[15:30] <rbasak> +1 GunnarHj has a long and excellent track record in contributions and uploads directly in Ubuntu. I'm confident that he will make an excellent core dev. Thank you for your work!
[15:30] <meetingology> +1 GunnarHj has a long and excellent track record in contributions and uploads directly in Ubuntu. I'm confident that he will make an excellent core dev. Thank you for your work! received from rbasak
[15:30] <teward> #voters rbasak teward rafaeldtinoco ddstreet
[15:30] <meetingology> Current voters: ddstreet, rafaeldtinoco, rbasak, teward
[15:30] <teward> +1
[15:30] <meetingology> +1 received from teward
[15:30] <ddstreet> +1
[15:30] <meetingology> +1 received from ddstreet
[15:31] <teward> rafaeldtinoco: ^
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> Im very happy with the work GunnarHj has been doing. Despite his 'limited technical skills' as phrased by him, I think he will be a great addiction to the core dev team . Thank you for all your work and +1 from me.
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> +1
[15:31] <meetingology> +1 received from rafaeldtinoco
[15:31] <teward> #endvote
[15:31] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Gunnar Hjalmarsson CoreDev
[15:31] <meetingology> Votes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[15:31] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:31] <ddstreet> congrats!
[15:31] <teward> Congratulations GunnarHj!
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> GunnarHj: congratulations
[15:31] <rbasak> Congratulations!
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> and thanks!
[15:32] <GunnarHj> Wow, thanks for your showed trust in me. :)
[15:32] <rbasak> GunnarHj had a special arrangement with a glob-based packageset that I think we can remove now
[15:32] <teward> who wants to handle the rights assignment, removal of the packageset rights, and announcement?  (won't be me i'm busy this week)
[15:32] <rbasak> I don't think that needs a vote because it's effectively a no-op in terms of ACL capability for him, just a tidy up.
[15:32] <rbasak> I can take the actions and I'll clean up at the same time.
[15:32] <teward> rbasak: agreed, doesn't need a vote 'cause we can just tidy it up
[15:32] <teward> cool
[15:32] <GunnarHj> rbasak: Indeed, that can be dropped. But please add me to core-dev first.
[15:33] <rbasak> GunnarHj: of course :)
[15:33] <teward> #action rbasak to handle GunnarHj core-dev rights, announcement, and post-coredev packageset/acl cleanups.
[15:33] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to handle GunnarHj core-dev rights, announcement, and post-coredev packageset/acl cleanups.
[15:33] <teward> there're no MOTU applications. so...
[15:33] <teward> #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign
[15:33] <teward> I don't know of any
[15:34] <teward> And we don't have any open TB bugs so...
[15:34] <teward> #action Next meeting chair
[15:34] <meetingology> ACTION: Next meeting chair
[15:34] <teward> Dan's listed as next
[15:34] <ddstreet> sounds good
[15:34] <teward> #topic Any Other Business
[15:34] <rafaeldtinoco> thanks for the agenda updates
[15:34] <rafaeldtinoco> much better now
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> with logs at the end
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> etc
[15:35] <teward> agreed
[15:35] <teward> any other business?
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> nope, thanks for chairing
[15:35] <teward> 5
[15:35] <teward> 4
[15:35] <teward> 3
[15:35] <teward> 2
[15:35] <teward> 1
[15:35] <teward> thanks everyone!
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> and congrats again to GunnarHj
[15:35] <teward> #endmeeting
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> o/
[15:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:35:59 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-04-05-15.01.moin.txt
[15:36] <ddstreet> thanks all o/
[15:36] <GunnarHj> Thanks all!
[15:53] <RikMills> GunnarHj: congratulations :)
[15:53] <GunnarHj> Thanks RikMills!


[13:53] <gareth_> I'm attempting to propose a SRU for libgphoto2-2.  Who will be the bug supervisor for this?
[13:53] <seb128> gareth_, you mean by "supervisor"?
[13:55] <gareth_> Paragraph 3 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates under Procedure tells me to 'Ask a bug supervisor to nominate for a release'.  To be honest, I don't know who or what a bug supervisor is - I'm just following orders!
[13:58] <micahg> gareth_: bug #?
[13:58] <micahg> and release wanted
[13:58] <gareth_> 981062 - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gphoto2/+bug/981062
[13:59] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 981062 in gphoto2 "gphoto fails to download image from camera" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:00] <gareth_> The version (2.4.14) in Quantal works, but the current version (2.4.13) in Precise has a bug that affects me.
[14:03] <micahg> gareth_: added
[14:05] <gareth_> That easy?  If only the rest of life was!  Thanks.
[14:06] <micahg> gareth_: yep, now you just have the find the right commit to fix the issue (and hopefully it's small enough to be SRU worthy)
[14:07] <micahg> it's a regression, so I gave you the task w/out the commit, normally, you'd need to show it's SRU worthy before getting the bug task
[14:14] <gareth_> Me and my big mouth! :-) This is the first time I've attempted this. As I understand it, there is a fixed version in Quantal which needs to be made available in Precise.   What exactly do you need from here on?  Please accept my apologies for sounding rather dumb!
[14:16] <micahg> gareth_: we can't take the new version unless that's the only change in the new release
[14:16] <micahg> so, we need the upstream commit that fixes the bug added as a patch to 2.4.13 most likely
[14:17] <gareth_> Ah! I see.  Now this sounds like more work than I initially though.  I'll go away and investigate further. I made the (incorrect) assumption that you could take the complete Quantal package into Precise.
[15:15] <sd44> hi,...  in Ubuntu 12.10, assistant(qt4-dev-tools package) allways segmentation fault(core dumped)
[15:18] <sd44> unless you remove ~/.local/share/data/Trolltech/Assistant/qthelpcollection_4.8-2.qhc file
[15:47] <inquisitor> Anyone with a minute to review and nominate a SRU fix for precise?
[15:49] <seb128> inquisitor, just ask your question or give the bug number,diff
[15:50] <inquisitor> Alright. LP#958305 ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unscd/+bug/958305 )
[15:50] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 958305 in unscd "nscd crashed with SIGSEGV in _nss_files_init()" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:52] <seb128> inquisitor, try asking stgraber on #ubuntu-devel, he's patch pilot today
[15:52] <inquisitor> Good tip. Thanks guys!
[15:52] <seb128> yw
[16:01] <LordOfTime> ugh... never in a thousand years did i think Skype would be this evil...
[16:01] <LordOfTime> whoops wrong channel, sorry
[16:02] <LordOfTime> s/channel/window/
[16:02]  * LordOfTime has 16 windows running at once with communication methods
[17:57] <LordOfTime> does this really need the crash triagers subscribed?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/1022629
[17:57] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1022629 in dpkg "package libdbusmenu-glib4 0.6.2-0ubuntu0.1 failed to install/upgrade: package libdbusmenu-glib4 is already installed and configured" [Undecided,New]


[12:31] <nixternal> blah blah blah blah
[12:32] <MenZa> halb halb halb halb
[12:32] <MenZa> Didn't see that coming now, did you?
[12:33] <nixternal> can't say that i did ;)
[12:37] <nixternal> interesting
[12:37] <nixternal> blah blah blah blah doesn't constitute offtopic does it?  it really isn't a topic, so maybe we need to create nontopic
[12:38] <gaz00> Are you having an off-topic discussion about being off-topic?
[12:42] <jenda> /j #ubuntu-nontopic
[12:42] <nixternal> hahahah
[12:42] <nixternal> thx jenda
[12:42] <jenda> np
[01:27] <m0gsi> Hey all
[01:28] <m0gsi> i think the advertising should be pink
[01:28] <raptros-v76> m0gsi: you think everything should be pink
[01:28] <nixternal> i agree
[01:28] <raptros-v76> wow
[01:28] <m0gsi> with ponies
[01:28] <raptros-v76> and pink floyd
[01:28] <m0gsi> ya pink floyd
[01:28] <m0gsi> Singing another brick in the wall to windows users
[01:29] <byen> rofl
[01:29] <m0gsi> why not?
[01:29] <raptros-v76> m0gsi: did you see their movie?
[01:29] <m0gsi> They have a movie!?
[01:29] <raptros-v76> m0gsi: the rock oprah that goes with the album
[01:29] <m0gsi> I want it
[01:30] <raptros-v76> m0gsi: its pretty strange
[01:30] <m0gsi> *www.thepiratebay.org
[01:30] <m0gsi> lol it's pink floyd
[01:30] <m0gsi> It's gotta be strange!
[01:33] <nixternal> i can't believe i fed into that and watched that unfold right in front of me...you can kick me now if you want, just not in the shin, it is sore ;)
[01:33] <Burgwork> tthat was very interesting
[01:34] <nixternal> yes it was
[01:34] <nixternal> im an idiot for not following that one
[01:34] <Burgwork> it think it is too friends, having some random fun
[01:34] <Burgwork> s/too/two
[01:34] <nixternal> hehe
[01:34] <nixternal> #ubuntuforums of all places
[01:34] <nixternal> all 3
[01:35] <nixternal> you know what we found out actually... #ubuntuforums isn't even run by the actuall ubuntuforums admins at all..it was created by a group of forums dwellers
[01:36] <nixternal> hiya Madpilot
[01:36] <Madpilot> hi
[02:34] <nixternal> jenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/MockUp  is that how you want the ToC?  how about the logo portion?
[05:24] <adamant1988> hello all.
[05:24] <kgoetz> hey adamant1988
[05:25] <adamant1988> Wheew it's hot here...
[05:25] <adamant1988> lol
[05:25] <nixternal> oh no
[05:25] <nixternal> http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/yakuake.jpg
[05:25] <nixternal> that is hawt
[05:26] <adamant1988> sure.
[05:26] <adamant1988> So anything interesting go on while I was at work?
[05:26] <nixternal> ya
[05:26] <kgoetz> whoa, thats hardcore nixternal
[05:27] <adamant1988> I need to restart..
[05:27] <adamant1988> brb
[05:27] <nixternal> i hope it does ;)
[05:28] <ormiret> that's not very nice nixternal
[05:28] <nixternal> hahahah
[05:28] <ormiret> where's the famous ubunut love
[05:29] <nixternal> i was going to say something bad about him just in case he read the logs, but i thought it would be unubuntu of me ;)
[05:29] <nixternal> hehe
[05:29] <ormiret> :)
[05:29] <ormiret> maybe the CoC does some good after all :)
[05:29] <adamant1988> I'm back
[05:29] <nixternal> oh it does ;)
[05:30] <adamant1988> my computer didn't break.
[05:30] <nixternal> arg, it didn't break ;(
[05:30] <nixternal> hahahaha
[05:30] <adamant1988> I love you too.
[05:30] <kgoetz> hehe
[05:30] <nixternal> [22:29]  * adamant1988 hopes this new update doesn't break his computer
[05:30] <nixternal> [22:29]  <nixternal> i hope it does ;)
[05:30] <nixternal> ;)
[05:30] <adamant1988> I love you too.
[05:31] <nixternal> then i was going to say something bad about you, like adamant1988 eats worm poop...just in case you read the logs
[05:31] <nixternal> hah
[05:31] <nixternal> love ya hun
[05:31] <adamant1988> you too sugar ;)
[05:31] <kgoetz> lol
[05:31] <adamant1988> back on topic.
[05:32] <nixternal> hiya mindspin
[05:32] <mindspin> hi good morning ;)
[05:32] <mindspin> just arrived back home from a night-job...
[05:33] <mindspin> 5:36 am here
[05:33] <nixternal> phew..time for sleep then ;)
[05:33] <MenZa> mindspin: location?
[05:33] <mindspin> germany
[05:33] <mindspin> frankfurt
[05:34] <MenZa> Aha.
[05:34] <MenZa> Gerrieland.
[05:34] <MenZa> ;)
[05:34] <mindspin> nixternal: I'm not hat tired
[05:34] <nixternal> i am ;)
[05:34] <nixternal> and it is only 10:30pm here
[05:35] <hybrid> friggin americans
[05:35] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:35] <kgoetz> heh. 13:04 here, fwiw :P
[05:35] <hybrid> :)
[05:36] <hybrid> nixternal: that is only the northern part atm, the south is flooded
[05:36] <nixternal> so i have seen
[05:36] <hybrid> you know your state is screwy when the northern part is on fire but the south is flooded
[05:37] <nixternal> haha
[05:43] <Cody> hey
[05:43] <hybrid> so then i said, I dont think Cody is *that* stupid
[05:44] <hybrid> oh hey Cody :-p
[05:48] <mindspin> ;-)
[05:52] <adamant1988> wow everyones is out to get everyone tonight...
[05:55] <hybrid> lol
[06:24] <Cody> hmmm...
[06:24] <Cody> very funny hybrid
[06:24] <hybrid> hows it going?
[06:24] <Cody> good, you?
[06:24] <hybrid> pretty well
[06:25] <Cody> good, good
[06:25] <Cody> so what are you doing right now?
[06:25] <hybrid> not much. why?
[06:26] <Cody> I don't really have anything (quite rare) to do
[06:29] <Cody> your not doing anything
[06:30] <adamant1988> blast it all.
[06:31] <Cody> :O
[06:31] <adamant1988> suse should just die.
[06:31] <adamant1988> -_-
[06:31] <adamant1988> I can't make it slip up... I'm doing everything that the average user would do and it won't stop working.
[06:32] <Cody> that is not cool
[06:34] <Cody> how is internet speed
[06:34] <Cody> that was the only real let-down for me
[06:34] <adamant1988> I can't really say I don't have it plugged in
[06:35] <adamant1988> but when I was using it last night pages loaded quickly and I didn't get much lag in IRC.
[06:36] <adamant1988> I say that Ubuntu could really benefit from the SLAB and integrated search.
[06:37] <Cody> yeah
[06:42] <Cody> Suse doesn't ship free cds...
[06:42] <adamant1988> Yeah, Ubuntu is a lot easier to spread.
[06:42] <adamant1988> But in all seriousness, Suse has to be more newbiew friendly than anything I've seen.
[06:43] <adamant1988> There are video/sound tutorials waiting on the desktop, there's documentation, etc.
[06:45] <adamant1988> The shipit CDs are a plus for sure.
[06:45] <Cody> by far
[06:45] <Cody> Did it require much tweaking?
[06:45] <Cody> For you?
[06:46] <adamant1988> Ubuntu or suse?
[06:49] <adamant1988> Suse I needed a to change the monitor resolution to get it running the way I wanted... was very simple to do via a tool in the control center
[06:50] <Cody> suse
[06:50] <Cody> really
[06:51] <adamant1988> yeah... I'm almost tempted to give my technophobe fiance my laptop to see how she does with it.
[06:51] <Cody> sounds like a good trial run
[06:51] <adamant1988> I know she'd use it because it's more powerful than her computer (double the ram).
[06:52] <adamant1988> Alas, SLED 10 has no repos yet, and I couldn't give it to her expecting her to figure THAT out.
[06:52] <Cody> nice
[06:52] <adamant1988> Although she's participating in My Ubuntu blog program anyway (using it for two weeks, etc.)
[06:53] <adamant1988> so I could definitely put Ubuntu on it without any problems and give it to her.
[06:53] <adamant1988> but I know very well I would be giving help support for the first 24-48 hours because she wouldn't know what to do.
[06:57] <adamant1988> The only seriously huge let down in SUSE is that it took almost 15 minutes to install opera from an RPM
[07:01] <Cody> ooohh...
[07:04] <adamant1988> join the user lounge cody :)
[07:06] <Cody> ok
[07:37] <Klaidas> morning
[07:42] <MenZa> indeed.
[07:42] <MenZa> Morning Klaidas
[07:52] <hybrid> holas
[07:53] <hybrid> =( no spanish speakers
[08:05] <MenZa> ne.
[08:22] <jenda> nixternal: yes, that's just it :)
[08:23] <nixternal> huh?
[08:23] <nixternal> quit hoppin' around ;)
[08:23] <nixternal> blinkin' all my screens
[08:25] <jenda> muhaa... (nixternal!)
[08:25] <nixternal> i caught ya almost ;)
[08:25] <nixternal> still gave me the blinky blinks
[08:36] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_poster01.png <-- amazing what five minutes in the GIMP & ten in Inkscape can give you :)
[08:36] <Burgundavia> very cool
[08:36] <Burgundavia> one minor piece I would do:
[08:37] <Burgundavia> move the ubuntu logo to a white rounded rectangle and to the bottom
[08:37] <jenda> nice
[08:39] <Madpilot> so swap 'Join the Circle' and the ubuntu logo's positions?
[08:39] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:39] <Burgundavia> and add the white background to the logo
[08:39] <jenda> ANd if it's supposed to be an actual poster - you need ubuntu.com on it somewhere too.
[08:41] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:41] <Burgundavia> very bottom, outside the white
[08:44] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_poster01a.png
[08:45] <kgoetz> cd cover like eh
[08:45] <jenda> I'd change the font of the tagline there
[08:45] <jenda> perhaps align it a bit to the left
[08:45] <Madpilot> kgoetz, actually, it's about the right proportions
[08:46] <Burgundavia> right
[08:46] <nixternal> http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/poster/poster1.png
[08:46] <nixternal> now thats a poster ;)
[08:47] <nixternal> 3'x4'
[08:47] <kgoetz> whats ' mean?
[08:47] <nixternal> that is a draft...i need to finish that one up
[08:47] <nixternal> feet
[08:47] <nixternal> 3feet by 4feet ;)
[08:47] <kgoetz> ok :)
[08:47] <nixternal> hehe
[08:47] <Madpilot> nixternal, cool
[08:47] <nixternal> don't ask me to break it down into meters..cuz i am done then ;)
[08:47] <kgoetz> 3ft=1m~
[08:48] <Madpilot> 1m x 1.3m, give or take
[08:48] <Madpilot> a big poster - what's that going to cost to print @ that size?
[08:49] <nixternal> free
[08:49] <kgoetz> :o
[08:49] <kgoetz> brb
[08:49] <nixternal> one of the guys on the LoCo works for the school district and can print them all day long i guess
[08:49] <Madpilot> sweet
[08:49] <MenZa> You'll want a vector of that poster if you want to print it.
[08:49] <adamant1988> hello all.
[08:50] <nixternal> http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Ubuntu_NewUserNetwork_to_Offer_Classes_for_New_Ubuntu_Users
[08:50] <Madpilot> a full-res 300dpi image 3'x4' is going to be a freakin' massive image...
[08:50] <nixternal> digg people digg..i know that was spam ;)
[08:50] <MenZa> Madpilot: it will suck if it's not a vector.
[08:51] <MenZa> Trust me, I work at a printer ;p
[08:51] <MenZa> It's definitely doable, if you have it in a much higher res than you need
[08:51] <Madpilot> MenZa, if it's a 300+dpi bitmap it should be OK?
[08:51] <MenZa> And scale it down
[08:51] <MenZa> But in most cases, vectors are the shiz
[08:52] <nixternal> it is vector for the original
[08:52] <Madpilot> MenZa, can most shops these days handle SVGs?
[08:52] <nixternal> the internet so you can all see version is png
[08:52] <MenZa> Madpilot: I'd go for EPS
[08:52] <MenZa> We can, unless the file needs editing.
[08:52] <Madpilot> nixternal, is that skyline logo image in vector too?
[08:52] <MenZa> (we use Ilustrator 10. Sthitty software)
[08:52] <nixternal> hah...no ;)
[08:53] <MenZa> nixternal: I assumed so ^^
[08:53] <nixternal> hehe
[08:53] <jenda> MenZa: does illustrator support svgs?
[08:53] <MenZa> jenda: new version does.
[08:53] <kgoetz> not afaik
[08:53] <MenZa> CS, CS2.
[08:53] <MenZa> 10 does.
[08:53] <nixternal> so, there are going to be issues when it comes time to print?
[08:53] <MenZa> Allegedly.
[08:53] <MenZa> But not really.
[08:53] <MenZa> nixternal: pixelation :\
[08:53] <jenda> But a printer will be able to accept that, then?
[08:53] <jenda> ah
[08:54] <nixternal> even if the poster was done in inkscape at the actuall sizes?
[08:54] <Madpilot> nixternal, how big was the original of the skyline image?
[08:54] <MenZa> nixternal: well, that depends
[08:54] <nixternal> 3 feet wide
[08:55] <Madpilot> nixternal, how many pixels wide?
[08:55] <nixternal> 3k+
[08:55] <nixternal> i actually made the skyline image smaller in the poster then it really is
[08:55] <Madpilot> wow. you should be OK, then
[08:56] <nixternal> from now on, im going to my brother-in-law..he owns his own printing company..and gets paid to do this stuff ;)
[08:57] <Madpilot> actually... 3000/36=83.something - you might still have a problem...
[08:57] <nixternal> im sure i will with my luck ;)
[08:59] <jenda> nixternal: for real?
[08:59] <jenda> Can I count on him in the future? :)
[09:04] <Madpilot> tweaked slightly: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_poster01a.png
[09:06] <kgoetz> ubuntu.com looks like its in the wrong place
[09:06] <mdke> cool. what is it for?
[09:08] <MenZa> Madpilot: can I be honest?
[09:08] <MenZa> me no likey
[09:08] <MenZa> Wrong typefaces
[09:08] <MenZa> The text/logo are too large
[09:08] <Madpilot> mdke, it's for messing around in Inkscape, mostly ;)
[09:08] <MenZa> Otherwise alright.
[09:08] <mdke> Madpilot: ah :)
[09:08] <Madpilot> it's mostly thrown together, I won't claim it's been exhaustively designed :)
[09:18] <jenda> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-marketing/+branch/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[09:18] <jenda> BTW ^
[09:53] <nixternal> alright jenda, good job on bzr, got it dl'd here locally...im gonna pass out
[09:53] <nixternal> g'nite all
[10:00] <digitalmouse> greetings programs!
[10:00] <matthewrevell> yo
[10:01] <jenda> oi
[10:01] <jenda>
[10:01] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:02] <kgoetz> hey :)
[10:03] <jenda> don't look
[10:03] <WildTangent> hello
[10:03] <jenda> perfect
[10:07] <Madpilot> jenda, testing something?
[10:08] <jenda> yes, a script
[10:08] <jenda> see? auto rejoin on remove ;)
[10:08] <kgoetz> heh
[10:10] <nybble> oooooh...
[10:13] <jenda> hello nybble ;) didn't notice you were here. Welcome
[10:14] <nybble> hehe, i'm good at sneaking in... lol.. hi
[10:14] <nybble> that hybrid was trying to recruit me
[10:14] <nybble> lol
[10:14] <jenda> successfully?
[10:15] <nybble> i'm here, arent I?
[10:15] <jenda>
[10:16] <jenda> We're up next in #ubuntu-meeting
[10:18] <nybble> really...
[10:18] <nybble> ?
[10:19] <Madpilot> jenda, how soon is "up next"?
[10:19] <jenda> 19:00 UTC
[10:19] <nybble> next week... lol
[10:19] <jenda> today :-D
[10:19] <jenda> gotta run
[10:19] <jenda> bye
[10:19] <jenda> be back in the evening
[10:20] <nybble> \ok
[10:21] <nybble> ok so 2:00 pm EST
[10:24] <Madpilot> noon here - I'll be at work
[10:28] <kgoetz> hm. thats right. 3/4 am here
[10:29] <Madpilot> fun
[10:32] <nybble> loads
[11:03] <kgoetz> hi silbs
[12:55] <mindspin> can anybody explain how to get access to the bzr marketing branch?
[12:56] <kgoetz> do you have bazaar installed?
[12:57] <mindspin> yup
[12:57] <kgoetz> bazaar-ng infact
[12:57] <mindspin> and a ssh key
[12:57] <mindspin> bzg is installed
[12:57] <kgoetz> ok, bzr checkout $link (ill just grab it)
[12:57] <mindspin> bzr checkout
[12:57] <mindspin> sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[12:57] <kgoetz> bzr checkout sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[12:58] <mindspin> on konsole? or after starting bzg?
[12:58] <kgoetz> in konsole
[12:59] <mindspin> ERROR: Not a branch: /home/mindspin/
[12:59] <kgoetz> what did you run?
[01:00] <mindspin> nothing ;-)
[01:00] <kgoetz> >.<
[01:00] <mdke> doesn't work for me either
[01:01] <mindspin> so it seems it's not related to my stupidity ;-)
[01:01] <mdke> nope
[01:01] <mdke> we need to go and find some documentation for bzr
[01:01] <kgoetz> hm. i would try, but i'm on a live cd. give me a few miinutes i'll connect home and try it
[01:04] <kgoetz> hm. seems my ssh key isnt there
[01:04] <kgoetz> mdke: mindspin try `bzr branch sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu`
[01:04] <kgoetz> does that work?
[01:05] <mdke> no
[01:05] <mindspin> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /home/mindspin/sftp:/bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu/
[01:05] <kgoetz> hm.
[01:05] <kgoetz> for basic bzr help run 'bzr help' in a terminal, btw
[01:05] <kgoetz> like svn
[01:07] <mindspin> just did ;-)
[01:07] <kgoetz> :)
[01:08] <kgoetz> ooh actualy - mindspin, did you use a dsa or rsa key in LP?
[01:08] <mindspin> dsa
[01:09] <mindspin> as recommended
[01:09] <kgoetz> its the only one i have - i was worried for a moment :O
[01:09] <mdke> you shouldn't need the key to just checkout the branch, surely, only to commit
[01:10] <kgoetz> using sftp (as that url is) you need a key full stop (read: key to connect)
[01:10] <mdke> ah
[01:11] <mindspin> what worries me is the /home/mindspin/  part of the error mesg
[01:11] <mdke> anyway, bzr isn't trying to connect
[01:11] <kgoetz> mindspin: i didnt get that
[01:12] <mindspin> do I have to create an empty branch (ie. folder) on my machine?
[01:12] <kgoetz> i got permision denied, so i tried putting in my key
[01:12] <kgoetz> i made ~/temp in case stuff went crazy, so dunno
[01:14] <kgoetz> ah, mindspin, try `bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubunt`
[01:14] <kgoetz> its connecting for me, dont know if it will get further or not
[01:16] <kgoetz> oh, thats missing a u, btw
[01:16] <mindspin> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu: No such file or directory
[01:16] <kgoetz> you have an extra colon/semicolon
[01:16] <kgoetz> at the end                                                                                ^
[01:17] <mindspin> only in the error mesg ;-)
[01:17] <kgoetz> kgoetz@Rommel:~/temp$ bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[01:17] <kgoetz> \ [[01:17] <kgoetz> ^ 'working' for me
[01:18] <mindspin> works here too
[01:18] <mdke> here too
[01:18] <mindspin> ok so far and now ?
[01:19] <kgoetz> it should download $stuff, and then you have a copy of whatevers in that repository
[01:19] <kgoetz> which should be 3 commits worth of data from jenda
[01:20] <kgoetz> oooh oooh, i tworked
[01:20] <mindspin> got it in my /home directory
[01:21] <kgoetz> it should make a dir called 'spreadubuntu' and put stuff in htere
[01:21] <mindspin> yup it did
[01:21] <kgoetz> yay
[01:26] <kgoetz> wb darkmatter_
[01:26] <kgoetz> jenda: we got connections to LP over http, sftp we had to many issues with
[01:26] <darkmatter_> :)
[01:26] <kgoetz> :o
[01:28] <kgoetz> how does jenda manage to do so much stuff and still be in 25 irc channels :( my excuse for doing bugger all was /i/ am in 15 channels :|
[01:28] <kgoetz> wb again :P
[01:29] <mindspin> how does jenda manage to finish his studies btw. ;-)
[01:29] <nybble> holy crap
[01:29] <kgoetz> dont remind me :|
[01:29] <nybble> someone drove into my tim hortons last night
[01:29] <kgoetz> your whats?
[01:30] <nybble> where i work
[01:30] <nybble> someone drove  their truck into it
[01:31] <kgoetz> oh ok. as you do
[01:56] <mindspin> bzr branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>gives me a permission denied mesg
[04:53] <newz2000> I could use some artistic assistance, if anyone feels so inclined
[04:53] <newz2000> Here's a URL with details: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-July/002470.html
[05:04] <nixternal> wheeee
[05:04] <nixternal> moins all
[05:04] <kgoetz> hi you 2
[05:07] <mdke> hey newz2000
[05:07] <newz2000> hey
[05:08] <Bigtoe> nixternal: how much time, per day, do you spend on your chicago loco?
[05:08] <nixternal> 16 hours
[05:08] <nixternal> lol
[05:08] <Bigtoe> i can believe that
[05:08] <nixternal> 16 hours of my day goes to Ubuntu
[05:08] <nixternal> one way or another
[05:09] <nixternal> my family gets about 15 minutes, which is more then enough ;)
[05:09] <Bigtoe> see, that would work for me if I wanted a divorce
[05:09] <newz2000> Same here
[05:09] <newz2000> wife: "I feel bad... we only played together for 5 hours today."
[05:10] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:10] <Bigtoe> mine is a little different
[05:10] <nixternal> i already had the divorce...so im about as single as Ubuntu would let me ;)
[05:10] <mindspin> mine works 16 hours ;-)
[05:10] <Bigtoe> "your son is driving me crazy, will you take him somewhere? NOW!"
[05:11] <Bigtoe> he is always my son when he is misbehaving
[05:11] <newz2000> :-D
[05:45] <gnomefreak> hi KenSentMe|vac
[05:45] <gnomefreak> oops
[05:46] <gnomefreak> hi kgoetz
[05:46] <kgoetz> hehe. hi mate
[05:46] <gaz00> hi all... trying to checkout the spreadubuntu proposals that jenda posted yesterday
[05:46] <gaz00> do you have to be an active member of the marketing team to look at it?
[05:47] <nixternal> nope
[05:47] <nixternal> thats all you can do really is look at them, as the channel seems to be read only
[05:47] <kgoetz> hi gaz00
[05:47] <gaz00> kgoetz: hi!
[05:47] <kgoetz> :)
[05:48] <gaz00> that's what i thought.  but i'm getting read errors.  bbiab - -checking ssh keys
[05:48] <gaz00> nixternal: thx :)
[05:48] <kgoetz> gaz00: just use http
[05:48] <nixternal> np bud ;)
[05:48] <kgoetz> Worked For Me
[05:49] <kgoetz> bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu <- me
[05:50] <kgoetz> er, * what worked for me
[05:50] <nixternal> if i do it via http, there is nothing there
[05:50] <nixternal> looks empty
[05:50] <kgoetz> the url does, but it finds files
[05:50] <gaz00> found the problem -  on tiger now and ports has bzr 0.7 up :s
[06:03] <matthewrevell> guys
[06:03] <matthewrevell> Looks like I won't make it this evening :(
[06:03] <kgoetz> :(
[06:03] <matthewrevell> I'll be back to normal service soon.
[06:03] <matthewrevell> Life's a touch busy at the moment!
[06:27] <kgoetz> how long till the meeting?
[06:28] <mindspin> 2.30
[06:29] <kgoetz> hm. not sure i can last that long :( i'm down to 3 stubbies, and sobering up during a meeting isnt a Good Idea
[06:35] <Bigtoe> you have time to run to the store
[06:36] <kgoetz> Bigtoe: at 2 am? :|
[06:41] <Bigtoe> ah
[06:42] <Bigtoe> yeah, that won't work
[06:42] <kgoetz> :(
[07:25] <adamant1988> hello all.
[07:25] <kgoetz> hye mate
[07:25] <adamant1988> my testimonial project is going to be a pain in the but to do...
[07:26] <kgoetz> hows it going? any joiy?
[07:26] <kgoetz> if its offical thers probably people i could as to join in
[07:26] <adamant1988> it hasn't been made an official project no
[07:26] <adamant1988> but I think I'm going to have to try to get it there
[07:27] <kgoetz> hm. it sounds interesting. is it on the agenda foar today?
[07:27] <adamant1988> because the best way to get in touch with people who aren't in the community is to have community members speak to them personally
[07:27] <adamant1988> no, I didn't add it because it's not in a state that there is much to discuss.
[07:27] <adamant1988> the problem with my idea is that I need to evolve it some
[07:29] <mindspin> adamant1988: where is the problem? the community is part of the concept, why should it be difficult to find average users as testimonials?
[07:49] <adamant1988> mindspin, because getting average users willing to stick with it for at least 2 weeks is difficult...
[07:50] <adamant1988> it's easier to get people who are friends of community members already to participate.. and there is a LOT of community members... the problem is getting the community involved to that level...
[07:53] <adamant1988> be back at about 3
[08:26] <kgoetz> not long now
[08:26] <mindspin> get you a coffee kgoetz
[08:26] <troy_s> greetings folks.
[08:27] <kgoetz> mindspin: i'm pretty tanked actually... hope i manage to stay awake :|
[08:29] <mindspin> dont forget to join #ubuntu-meeting then ...
[08:29] <kgoetz> i had forgotten
[08:50] <adamant1988> i'll be in the meeting a little lat
[08:50] <adamant1988> late*
[08:51] <a1ecks> hey guys
[08:51] <Klaidas> meeting started :)
[08:52] <Bigtoe> my timezone is 8 minutes off
[08:52] <Klaidas> * Ubugtu has changed the topic to: Current meeting: Marketing Team :)
[08:52] <Klaidas> even tho there's still 5 minutes according to my clock :D
[08:53] <kgoetz> i saw it :)
[08:54] <a1ecks> has anyone started on the spreadubuntu site design?
[08:55] <Klaidas> My first tmeeting :)
[08:55] <kgoetz> Klaidas: same :)
[08:56] <Klaidas> Thu Jul 13 21:59:06 EEST 2006
[08:56] <Bigtoe> almost straight-up noon here
[08:56] <kgoetz> Fri Jul 14 04:26 ACST 2006
[08:56] <Klaidas> woah
[08:57] <Bigtoe> US west coast
[08:59] <kgoetz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings#head-6baae27adfb4dc945b7a6d79d82a947cc82e49ec
[08:59] <kgoetz> ^ look ye all, tis the agenda for this meet
[09:01] <kgoetz> anyone for the meeting join #ubuntu-meeting now :) we should have started 2 minutes ago
[09:02] <a1ecks> i have been busy with other design work, i havent tried anything for spreadubuntu
[09:28] <Klaidas> hi there MenZa
[09:28] <MenZa> lol
[09:28] <MenZa> lo*
[09:32] <kgoetz> wb jenda:)
[09:33] <jenda> so... what's happening
[09:33] <Klaidas> meeting :)
[09:33] <MenZa> :o
[09:33] <kgoetz> we seem to be dragging our feet somewhat though :|
[09:35] <kgoetz> adamant1988: btw, in 'otehr buiesness' bring up your idea for bloggin ubuntu
[09:37] <jenda> You guys, could you tell me which topics were gone through in a few sentences?
[09:38] <adamant1988> ok, I'll bring it up when other ideas comes up
[09:38] <kgoetz> one Point of contact, vote was no, thast about it really
[09:38] <adamant1988> I want to bring up the boxed sets too.
[09:38] <kgoetz> we started 10-15 min late
[09:38] <jenda> Good.
[09:38] <jenda> thanks
[09:53] <adamant1988> bah
[09:53] <Bigtoe> ?\
[09:53] <adamant1988> I'm goign to have to start getting ready for work soon.
[09:53] <adamant1988> I hope this meeting doesn't drag on much longer.
[09:54] <Bigtoe> according to the agenda, we are about finished
[09:54] <kgoetz> fwiw, i'm going to bed $soon, because i'm pretty useless as is :|
[09:55] <Bigtoe> i hope you don't have to work later today
[09:55] <adamant1988> why's that bigtoe?
[09:55] <Bigtoe> because of the hour in kgoetz's timezone
[09:56] <Bigtoe> almost 6am
[09:56] <kgoetz> Bigtoe: its 5.26 here, its 5.56 where bimberi is, and lucky i dotn have to work toda y:|
[09:56] <adamant1988> oh I thought you meant me.
[10:11] <jenda> gnomefreak: meeting
[10:11] <gnomefreak> when?
[10:11] <kgoetz> an hour ago
[10:11] <gnomefreak> sorry
[10:12] <kgoetz> heh
[10:12] <gnomefreak> you gonna have logs that i can look at later?
[10:13] <adamant1988> gah, I can't figure out launchpad, but I have to take a shower now, I'll be back
[10:13] <adamant1988> oh one last question before I go though
[10:13] <adamant1988> How seriously does canonical take us? (the marketing team)?
[10:14] <gnomefreak> not sure yet
[10:14] <adamant1988> Gah nevermind then.
[10:14] <adamant1988> If I've learned anything from marketing classes it's that you don't just go to marketing people to advertise, you go to them for ideas.
[10:15] <gnomefreak> correct
[10:15] <adamant1988> I'm good at generating ideas, I was hoping I could get a group together to generate some useful ideas that could set Ubuntu apart as an OS.
[10:16] <gnomefreak> adamant1988: we need to go towards the windows users/linux users and see what they want
[10:16] <adamant1988> I disagree, Apple had the right idea with the think different campaign.
[10:16] <jenda> hello jbrouhard
[10:16] <jbrouhard> Howdy!
[10:16] <adamant1988> people like things that are foreign even if it intimidates them some, people are still fascinated by them.
[10:17] <adamant1988> That doesn't mean we can't accomodate Windows users, but we should do something without worrying where the box is.
[10:17] <adamant1988> the box kills innovation.
[10:17] <Bigtoe> why not have two marketing paths then?
[10:17] <gnomefreak> apple went toward windows users why do you think everything is apple or windows
[10:17] <kgoetz> lack of resources?
[10:17] <Bigtoe> good point
[10:18] <adamant1988> they went towards windows users, but the interface is completely different, and it's not windows like at all.
[10:18] <gnomefreak> wasnt ubuntupeople a site idea?
[10:18] <adamant1988> I think so, I didn't join until ubuntupeople was taken down.
[10:19] <jenda> no, it was a forum.
[10:19] <adamant1988> anywho, I'm going to write all this down when I get back... I'll make it my own personal pet project if the marketing team doesn't want to sanction it.
[10:22] <jenda> adamant1988: I'll be against new MT projects untill SU or UM is up and running.
[10:25] <adamant1988> ok
[10:25] <adamant1988> I'll use that time to get my thoughts forumated.
[10:25] <adamant1988> formulated.
[10:27] <jenda> Use the time to make the time shorter :) Get SU up and running. I'm hoping it will be very possible to contribute after sunday.
[10:28] <adamant1988> I'll contribute what I can of course.
[10:28] <jenda> ;)
[10:29] <jbrouhard> jenda: Is the deadline for proposals passed as far as website designs go ?
[10:29] <jbrouhard> for SU ?
[10:29] <jenda> jbrouhard: no, it has been extended :)
[10:30] <jbrouhard> Okay
[10:30] <jbrouhard> I might contribute a screenshot if I can get one ready...
[10:30] <jbrouhard> When's the new deadline ?
[10:30] <jenda> next week
[10:30] <jbrouhard> Ok
[10:30] <jenda> Or, when the final design is chosen :-D
[10:31] <jbrouhard> Okay
[10:31] <jbrouhard> I'll see what I can do... I'm more than willing to help with any stuff y'all need ;)
[10:31] <kgoetz_Away> night all, catch you then :)
[10:31] <troy_s> good work guys...
[10:31] <troy_s> and gals
[10:31] <jenda> phew
[10:32] <jenda> that was ... sweaty :)
[10:34] <nixternal> good meeting
[10:35] <jenda> nixternal: we can discuss that next time. i see no reason why not to take a meeting without me :-D
[10:36] <Bigtoe> how is a final design for SU going to be chosen?
[10:36] <nixternal> jbrouhard: introduce yourself if you are around!!!
[10:36] <nixternal> jenda: jbrouhard is the guy i was talking about web design wise
[10:37] <jenda> Bigtoe: we discuss on the meeting...
[10:37] <jenda> we discuss some more...
[10:37] <jenda> then we vote
[10:37] <jenda> discuss the results...
[10:37] <nixternal> he is a bud of imbrandon's, and is local to him, so i am sure he is legit..i have seen his work, and he is decent..we just need to get him away from freakin' IE tabs and views and what not
[10:37] <jenda> great ;)
[10:37] <nixternal> he is doing math homework i think right now...so he is kind of in and out right now
[10:37] <nixternal> he is always on line..more then me i think
[10:38] <jenda> Bigtoe: and then... when the team says what it thinks, I say the opposite and it's the valid choice...
[10:38] <jenda> :-D
[10:38] <nixternal> haha
[10:38] <jenda> Just kidding
[10:38] <Bigtoe> hahah
[10:38] <nixternal> NO HE'S NOT!!!
[10:38] <jbrouhard> OH.  Sorry, guys..
[10:38] <jenda> Alright, I'm not :)
[10:38] <ompaul> you should be :-)
[10:38] <nixternal> arg i want the cloak already ;)
[10:38] <jbrouhard> LOL
[10:39] <jbrouhard> I'm Joe Brouhard for those of you wondering.
[10:39] <bimberi> jenda: 21st is a Friday OK?
[10:39] <nixternal> he is a ninja dude ;)
[10:39] <jbrouhard> imbrandon introduced me to kubuntu a while ago, and i've been enjoying it ;)
[10:39] <jenda> I'll try to make the decision reflect the will of the team, of course, not the opposite
[10:39] <jbrouhard> ninja?  hah
[10:39] <nixternal> hehe
[10:39] <jbrouhard> I'm just a 1st Degree Black Belt in Taekwondo :P
[10:39] <nixternal> nice
[10:39] <jenda> bimberi: yes
[10:39] <jbrouhard> SOON TO BE 2nd Degree ;)
[10:39] <bimberi> kk
[10:39] <jbrouhard> Anyway
[10:39] <jenda> good thing this is only IRC ;)
[10:39] <nixternal> jbrouhard the man to talk to about the "SpreadUbuntu" design is jenda, he will knock you around and let you know what he wants
[10:39] <jbrouhard> I'm a Computer/Network Technician, Web Designer/Developer (freelance mostly)...
[10:40] <jbrouhard> hehe ;)
[10:40] <nixternal> in otherword, jbrouhard is unemployed just like me ;)
[10:40] <jbrouhard> Technically, not unemployed
[10:40] <jbrouhard> I work for the school that trained me in Taekwondo as an Instructor
[10:40] <nixternal> us americans always say we are "freelancers" when we are unemployed
[10:40] <nixternal> lol
[10:40] <jbrouhard> and their all-around computer guy <G>
[10:40] <nixternal> ya..ok...
[10:40] <nixternal> ;)
[10:40] <nixternal> wb sara
[10:40] <Bigtoe> im employed
[10:41] <Bigtoe> got way too hungry being "freelance"
[10:41] <_sara> yeah I got disconnected
[10:41] <nixternal> hahah Bigtoe
[10:41] <jbrouhard> Bigtoe: I get by :)
[10:41] <jbrouhard> Not enough,but close ;)
[10:42] <Bigtoe> it's no picnic having 7 bosses though
[10:42] <jbrouhard> Tho i wish one of my clients would stop dragging their feet and pay me already...
[10:42] <jbrouhard> i've had their site done for 3 weeks
[10:42] <jbrouhard> and they haven't paid me :(
[10:42] <jbrouhard> Anyway, that's another story.. :)
[10:43] <Bigtoe> what do you use for webdev?
[10:43] <jbrouhard> Anyways.. jenda, is there any specific design, layout or color scheme you're wanting to use for SU ?  I can toy with color schemes here
[10:43] <jbrouhard> Primarily, I'm trying to get used to quanta
[10:44] <jbrouhard> i've been a Dreamweaver user for ages.
[10:44] <Bigtoe> i like quanta, but have been using bluefish and screem just to be familiar
[10:45] <jbrouhard> I also have NVU
[10:45] <jbrouhard> but haven't touched it
[10:45] <jenda> jbrouhard: I wan't it to be simple, brown, Ubuntu :)
[10:45] <jbrouhard> <-- does nearly all graphical work in Adobe Photoshop tho...
[10:45] <jbrouhard> Okay
[10:45] <jbrouhard> simple, brown...
[10:45] <jbrouhard> LOL
[10:45] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu#head-0202bdc0f2e0e5d3cb074109cf42d8a323126c61
[10:45] <jenda> Have a look at those
[10:45] <jbrouhard> I was looking at them
[10:45] <jbrouhard> I was debating on taking a shot at the style that FreeBSD.org is using
[10:45] <jenda> The ones at the bottom are mine... so the closer you are to those... :-D
[10:45] <jbrouhard> Just change the color and format <G>
[10:45] <jbrouhard> LOL!
[10:46] <Bigtoe> heh
[10:46] <jenda> Well, honestly, I'm looking for very simple, more graphics and gradients than text
[10:46] <Bigtoe> chose any you want as long as you choose one of jenda's
[10:46] <jenda> No links other than in-text and the -it ;)
[10:46] <jenda> Bigtoe: that was a joke.
[10:46] <Bigtoe> i know
[10:47] <jenda> I suck at web design, and those aren't even webdesigns
[10:47] <Bigtoe> i may not have any graphics skills, but i do have a sense of humor
[10:47] <jenda> I tried to communicate what I had in mind, but to no avail :)
[10:47] <jbrouhard> Well..
[10:47] <jbrouhard> Personally, i've been a big fan of "balancing" graphics with text
[10:48] <jenda> of course
[10:48] <jbrouhard> i.e. if you have more text, and no graphics, the site becomes insanely boring and plain right?
[10:48] <jenda> But this mockup should really be even for very simple, possibly tired people :)
[10:48] <jbrouhard> if you reverse it, the site becomes "too colorful"and hard to navigate ;)
[10:48] <jenda> yes
[10:48] <jbrouhard> hehe
[10:48] <jbrouhard> I'll see what I can come up with
[10:48] <jenda> compare gnu.org
[10:48] <jenda> :)
[10:48] <jenda> thanks
[10:48] <jbrouhard> I've been a big fan of the FreeBSD/RedHat websites.. they're pretty kewl and simplistic by themselves
[10:49] <jbrouhard> But.. alas..
[10:49] <jbrouhard> Never tried to design them like that ;)
[10:49] <jenda> The point is for the person to see and read at least the beginning of the text, then notice the big links
[10:49] <jbrouhard> Ah
[10:49] <jbrouhard> Ok
[10:49] <jenda> They are 'simple' in a different way.
[10:49] <jenda> You have to look around for several seconds to find what you need - and I want to avoid that.
[10:50] <jbrouhard> Like I said, it'll take me a bit to come up with something, so.. :)
[10:50] <jbrouhard> Eh...
[10:50] <jenda> No worries. THere's at least a week of time.
[10:50] <jbrouhard> I can hit this from a business point of view if you like
[10:51] <jbrouhard> Anyway
[10:51] <jbrouhard> I'm off to teach kids how to kick and punch
[10:51] <jenda> Not sure what you mean, but SU, compared to ubuntu.com, should not look as 'corporate' or proffesional. (The design should be done proffessionally, though :))
[10:51] <jbrouhard> and HOPEFULLY not get killed tonight
[10:51] <jenda> hehe ;
[10:51] <jbrouhard> Ah
[10:51] <jbrouhard> Ok
[10:51] <jenda> )
[10:51] <jenda> good luck.
[10:51] <jbrouhard> Even if I don't get picked...
[10:51] <jbrouhard> I'd be happy to help with anything ;)
[10:52] <jenda> (I wanted friendly and artistic in comparison to that ;) )
[10:52] <jenda> BTW, it will end up with an amalgam of the designs, most probably.
[10:52] <jenda> Enjoy the class ;)
[10:52] <jbrouhard> Ah
[10:52] <jbrouhard> yeah right :)
[10:52] <jenda> and thanks for your help.
[10:52] <jbrouhard-afk> my pleasure
[11:38] <a1ecks> wot wot


[13:01] <falktx> hey guys, just wanna to tell that i just released an update for festige (http://festige.sourceforge.net/)
[13:26] <scott-work> hi falktx
[13:34] <falktx> hi scott-work
[13:35] <falktx> scott-work: i would love to have festige os u.s. 10.010
[13:38] <TheMuso> /c/c
[13:43] <scott-work> TheMuso:  i do not understand what you are trying to say
[13:44] <scott-work> falktx:  that may be difficult because of where we are at in the schedule for maverick (but i'm not an expert on that by any means)
[13:45] <scott-work> falktx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[13:45] <scott-work> feature freeze is schedule for Aug. 12th
[13:53] <scott-work> TheMuso:  i meant to tell you that you were recently in one of jono's blog post about assessibility
[15:06] <falktx> scott-work: were you able to find which package was pushing phonon?
[15:18] <scott-work> falktx: no, i forgot about it actually because i had several other items with deadlines on friday (i even took off friday from work to accomplish them)
[15:19] <scott-work> falktx: but TheMuso commented that it was probably a dependency (if i remember correctly)
[15:19] <scott-work> falktx: would could be totem -> xine -> phonon or something similar
[15:20] <scott-work> falktx: i think i did try to remove phonon but synaptic only told me that it would need to remove ubuntustudio-desktop package
[15:20] <falktx> scott-work: hm, isn't there a totem-gstream and totem-xine packages
[15:20] <falktx> ?
[23:05] <TheMuso> ScottL: yeah I know about Jono's blog post.


[00:48] <clivejo> grrrr I hate firefox
[00:54] <clivejo> I cant load a buildlog without it crashing!
[00:58] <valorie> I've given up FF for just about everything
[00:58]  * mamarley too, sadly.
[00:59] <clivejo> its was fine until the last update
[00:59] <clivejo> now its useless
[01:00] <mamarley> For me I pretty much gave it up a while back because it doesn't have good performance on my 4K monitor.
[01:00] <clivejo> crashes so often
[01:00] <valorie> for me, it just got more and more annoying until chromium became my browser of choice
[01:00] <valorie> how I miss good old konq
[01:01] <mamarley> One nice thing that Chrom{e|ium} has is high-resolution scrolling support on Synaptics touchpads.
[01:23] <ximion> valorie: nice mail RE Flames_in_Paradise
[01:23] <ximion> that guy is on fire
[01:24] <ximion> I am mostly working on AppStream stuff at time and constantly see him running by fixing metainfo files or triaging arbitrary other KDE related bugs ^^
[03:19] <DarinMiller> FYI: Noticed a comment awhile back about print screen button pectacle install . Before restart, no spetacle shortcuts were defined, after restart, shift-print and meta-print are assigned to fullsceen and active window under Custom shortcuts. Reconfiguring the print button complains of another assignment but works just fine.
[04:27] <valorie> thanks, ximion
[04:29] <sgclark> DarinMiller: good to know, thanks. And it arrived thanks!!!!!!
[04:30] <DarinMiller> Excellent!!  SSD also?
[04:32] <sgclark> not yet. hopefully tomorrow :)
[05:43] <Mirv> have you noticed the plasma-workspace autopkgtest problems eg at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#kwin ?
[05:43] <Mirv> they're blocking my qtdeclarative silo too at the moment (also CI Train executes autopkgtests, already before publishing to proposed)
 We have noticed. It is trying to build old plasma with new kwin which is a recipe for failure. yofel is trying to sort out how to make them stop that.
[06:20] <Mirv> thanks!
[08:49] <mparillo> DarinMiller: You are correct. Both meta- and shift- prt scr work after a re-boot (perhaps they did before the reboot, but I did not try) and prt scr with no modifier key does not work. Funny, though. It simply saves to Pictures. Didn't ksnapshot bring up the image where you could choose where to save it?
[08:50] <valorie> mparillo: it did
[08:50] <mparillo> valorie: TY, but aren't you on the west coast?
[08:51] <mparillo> I am up obscenely early, you are up obscenely late.
 Morning friends
 Yes Prt Scr would launch Ksnapshot, and leave you with a UI, you could then Save or Send to an application.
 Very handy tool, which I miss
[08:53] <valorie> 'tis almost 2am, yeah
[08:56] <soee_> hiho :)
[09:02] <yofel> mgraesslin: I tried Xenial on a machine with an ATi GPU in my office, which looked like http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/Screenshot_20160318_095855.png
[09:02] <yofel> against what should I be filing a bug?
[09:04] <mgraesslin> I don't know
[09:04] <soee_> i accidently updated apps to 15.12.3 because of having this ppa enabled
[09:04] <mgraesslin> it doesn't look like a KWin bug
[09:04] <yofel> looks to me like all QML components render black.. well, thanks anyway
[09:04] <mgraesslin> it's not only QML Components
[09:05] <mgraesslin> you have the white areas in the background selection
[09:05] <mgraesslin> which means that some parts of QML components render still correctly
[09:05] <mgraesslin> but yeah overall it looks like a problem with OpenGL
[09:21] <mparillo> Thanks to the great folks at KFN, I solved my prt scr behavior (and it brings up the dialogue I missed): delete ~/.config/khotkeysrc and re-login. https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?69815-Screenshoot&p=385279#post385279
[09:26] <soee_> now find solution for my bug ... :D
[09:49] <soee_> do you also have since yesterday all extra repositories returning warnings about The repository is insufficiently signed by key ... ?
[09:49] <soee_> something about weak digest - does Ubuntu changed omething with those keys and repository mainteiners have to update them ?
[10:05] <totof-at-work> hi all I've read somewhere that since 1.2.7 version of APT SHA1 is considerd as obsolete
[10:05] <totof-at-work> results with this error message
[10:08] <jmux> yofel: also my dual-screen KDE setup in Xenial broke with one of the updates this week. ATI GPU too.
[10:09] <yofel> define "broke"? we had a lot of kscreen breakage in 5.5, with "most" of that fixed in 5.5.4 and 5.5.5
[10:09] <jmux> Basically external screen stays blank after wakeup; dmesg has "[drm:radeon_dp_link_train [radeon]] *ERROR* displayport link status failed"
[10:09] <yofel> urgh
[10:10] <yofel> #ubuntu-x might have pointers, but that's probably kernel or driver
[10:11] <jmux> yofel: after finding those in all the kernel output, I think so too
[10:12] <jmux> And there is also still https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357007 for me. And I'm seeing graphical glitches and have crashing apps now
[10:12] <mamarley> totof-at-work: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1556666
[10:13] <yofel> soee_: ^
[10:14] <jmux> yofel: and "helping error messages like http://snag.gy/q7Wx2.jpg
[10:14] <totof-at-work> mamarley: thks for the bug ref :D
[10:14] <yofel> lolwhat o.O?
[10:15] <mamarley> Note that the warning messages do not mean that packages won't be installed from the PPA.  It only looks like they won't.
[10:16] <mamarley> However, there are some third-party repositories (such as the Chrome repository and Bintray) that are completely broken by this change, so I have APT held at 1.2.6.
[10:16] <yofel> yeah, chrome was "acceptable colleteral damage"
[10:16] <mamarley> Someone already complained to Google.  Considering they are leading the charge to deprecate SHA1, it shouldn't be long.
[10:17] <yofel> true
[10:17] <mamarley> I also let the Bintray people know, but their response was much less encouraging: "Thank you for your input. We will discuss this issue internally with our Product Manager."
[10:17] <jmux> And somehow the task bar changed to this: http://snag.gy/68gLm.jpg - couldn't find a way to restore the old look and the reconq highlight looks broken
[10:25] <jmux> Last week after the update I thought "Some glitches, but that's expected from a beta". I'll ask on #ubuntu-x and otherwise will open a bug report.
[10:40] <jmux> yofel: BTW linux 4.4.0-12.27 had a "Pull in upstream AMD code (amdgpu) in Xenial (LP: #1546572)"
 @Yofel rebased calligra 2.9.10 is uploaded to misc staging and packaging pushed to bzr. Will you take a wee look when you get a chance?
[10:57] <yofel> in the evening, thanks
[11:08] <clivejo> soee_: how are apps 15.12.3 looking?
[11:09] <soee_> clivejo: all available installed fine
[11:09] <clivejo> would you mind testing calligra 2.9.10 in the misc staging for me?
[11:10] <soee_> sure
[11:12] <clivejo> and anyone else who wants to test :) add "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-misc" and install calligra
[11:19] <soee_> clivejo: installed fines, all apps start fine
[11:20] <clivejo> glad to hear that!
[11:24] <mparillo> clivejo: I added your ppa, and installed calligra. It was added to the Dolphin Open with menu, but did not take over from Libre Office.
[11:24] <mparillo> Is that working as designed?
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:25] <jmux> yofel: Just rebooted 4.4.0-13-generic with the radeon module compiled from the 11.26 source - no more graphical glitches, Displayport works again
[11:25] <mparillo> I successfully opened an .ods and and .odt in the Calligra spreadsheet and word processor that I had originally created with LO.
[11:26] <clivejo> mparillo: that I dont know
[11:26] <yofel> telegram: hm, -13 didn't help me personally, guess I'll go to building the driver then... thanks for the update
[11:26] <yofel> jmux: ^
[11:27]  * clivejo wonders if yofel knows hes talking to a bot
[11:27] <yofel> ubottu: how are you today my fair lady?
[11:27] <yofel> what a shame
[11:30] <jmux> yofel: and the diff is just 500 lines. The -13 is broken. But I just copied the radeon source from 4.4.0-11(.26) and build the module against the -13 kernel and that works.
[11:30] <jmux> works for me (TM)
[11:31] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:32] <jmux> And most of the lines in the patch change the display port handling.
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Hey clivejo
[11:33] <clivejo> hummm plasma is picking up icons again
[11:34] <soee_> clivejo: can you take a look in a free time at this 2 red http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.12.3_xenial.html ?
[11:35] <clivejo> they are "problem" packages moved into the manual folder by the staging script
[11:35] <clivejo> dont want to step on sgclark's toes
[12:06] <clivejo> yofel: anything on your to-do list, that I can do?
[12:12] <yofel> look at why the kwin and kopete autopkgtests are failing?
[12:12] <yofel> kopete failed on all archs IIRC, so that you should be able to reproduce
[12:12] <clivejo> the key to my question is "I can do"
[12:14] <yofel> well, you won't know that before you look at it.
[12:14] <yofel> but otherwise...
[12:15] <yofel> clivejo: do you think you can do some basic python scripting by now?
[12:15] <clivejo> doubt it!
[12:15] <yofel> ruby? :D
[12:16] <clivejo> basic
[12:16] <yofel> hm
[12:16] <sgclark> morning
[12:16] <yofel> oh hey
[12:17] <sgclark> clivejo: te stepping is allowed and encouraged as long as you document what you are working on here: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas
[12:17] <sgclark> s/te/toe/
[12:18] <sgclark> just woke up but will do those apps here in a few.
[12:57] <soee_> yofel: will you upload calligra from staging-misc to archive ?
[12:59] <yofel> I'll upload it from bzr, which is what clive pointed me to (IIRC)
[12:59] <yofel> but yes, we should update calligra
[12:59] <soee_> nice, thank you
[13:00] <sgclark> yofel: did kdevelop get uploaded?
[13:00] <yofel> no
[13:00] <yofel> can't you just upload it yourself?
[13:00] <yofel> it's just bugfixes anyway, right?
[13:01] <sgclark> it is, not sure I have perms on that, will try
[13:01] <yofel> do you know how to look at our packageset?
[13:02] <sgclark> yofel: seed?
[13:03] <yofel> no, that's the definition, not the ACL
[13:03] <yofel> bzr co lp:ubuntu-archive-tools; cd ubuntu-archive-tools; ./edit-acl -P kubuntu -S xenial query
[13:03] <yofel> that's the full list of sources that you may upload
[13:03] <sgclark> oh
[13:03] <sgclark> then no
[13:43] <melodie> hi
[13:45] <melodie> a message to yofel and mitya57 : we have installed Kubuntu Trusty on a beautiful new computer yesterday, no windows inside at all, and added the HWE 4.4 kernel on it as you advised me! Thanks a lot! That worked as a charm! :D
[13:46] <melodie> The fonts were really really too tiny also, in the very large high resolution screen, but we managed to do the install as is from the live usb stick and fixed the size of the fonts after, once the install done (using a second computer where I had formerly done the install as a test, which helped find more easily with normal size fonts where to look in order to configure the fonts)
[13:48] <mamarley> yofel: It actually looks like Google has already started using the SHA256 package signatures.  I don't get an error anymore; just a warning.
[13:49] <yofel> oh, nice
[13:49] <mamarley> So now I can upgrade to APT 1.2.7 on all my boxes except the one running tvheadend (which comes from bintray).
[13:50] <melodie> yofel mitya57 the main components for this tower, so you get the idea, a silent tower, http://www.ldlc-pro.com/fiche/PB00147836.html a good mobo, http://www.ldlc-pro.com/fiche/PB00192574.html a CPU Intel Skylake 6th generation, 8 GB RAM, and this screen : http://www.ldlc-pro.com/fiche/PB00181462.html
[13:50] <melodie> I wanted to bring this feedback for your good advice. :)
[13:50] <yofel> interesting, thanks for the feedback :)
[13:50] <melodie> my client is happy, thanks to your help!
[13:52] <melodie> well, before I installed the 4.4 13 kernel, the screen was starting to act weird, flicker from "screen/no image/screen no image", so I just did the normal update, then added the 4.4 kernel the way you told me to, rebooted, unticked the additional source for updates : problem solved.
[13:53] <melodie> so all good, and keep on the good work! :D
[13:53] <melodie> I have to quit now, wishing you all a nice day.
[13:59] <clivejo> !info digikam xenial
[14:02] <clivejo> digikam could do with a archive sync too?
[14:02] <clivejo> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/digikam/changes
[14:06] <yofel> right, although it's uninsallable anyway
[14:06] <yofel> *uninstallable
[14:07] <yofel> oh right, there was that
[14:07] <yofel> clivejo: you could figure out if the 2 libkipi's can be made coinstallable
[14:07] <clivejo> 4.14 is current stable?
[14:07] <yofel> yes
[14:08] <yofel> (the alternative would be to remove digikam and later try to get a working digikam 5 into the official backports)
[14:08] <clivejo> one is KDE4 other is kf5, why wouldnt they be co-installable?
[14:08] <yofel> the -data packages conflict
[14:08] <clivejo> ah
[14:13] <clivejo> they seem to share 4 files
[14:13] <clivejo> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kipi.png, /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/kipi.png, /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kipi.png, /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/kipi.png
[14:14] <clivejo> sorry 5
[14:14] <clivejo> all icons
[14:35] <yofel> if it's really just that, then removing those from the 4 -data, and making depend on 5 -data would be an idea
[14:35] <yofel> *making that depend
[14:42] <clivejo> Im comparing http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/libkipi-data/filelist to http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/libkf5kipi-data/filelist
[14:47] <yofel> looks about right... maybe make the changes, throw them into a ppa and fix the versioned breaks in kf5kipi. Then we can test that
[14:47] <yofel> if that works it would be great
[14:47] <clivejo> Ill have to try it later
[14:47] <clivejo> need to go do a few things
[14:47] <yofel> then we would still not have any kipi plugins for spectacle and gwenview, but *shrug*, that's backports material
[14:49] <clivejo> why dont they factor out the plugins from digikam into a frameworks package or something?
[14:50] <clivejo> or apps like libkf5kipi
[14:50] <yofel> they didn't want to bother with all the release maintenance overhead. So they took the formerly separate kipi-plugins, digikam and a couple other libs and bundled everything in one digikam SC
[14:50] <clivejo> :/
[14:51] <clivejo> doesn’t seem sensible to me!
[14:51] <yofel> I mean, we just need to package digikam 5, beta 3 or so was released a while ago, have fun
[14:51] <clivejo> LOL
[14:51] <clivejo> not my idea of fun!
[14:51] <yofel> why not? Digikam is the biggest consumer of the plugins and the developers are the same. That way they at least have a tested software bundle
[14:51] <sgclark> lol a few ports I am not looking forward to, that , kdevelop, and calligra
[14:52] <yofel> yeah, that needs some talking to debian. I don't want us to do that twice
[14:53] <sgclark> agree
[14:57] <genii-testing> Seems something with gpgv doesn't like the Kubuntu PPA keys anymore. I'm getting a bunch of warnings like this: "W: gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-ppa_staging-kdeapplications_ubuntu_dists_xenial_InRelease: The repository is insufficiently signed by key E4DFEC907DEDA4B8A670E8042836CB0A8AC93F7A (weak digest)"
[14:58] <mamarley> genii-testing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1556666
[15:00] <genii-testing> OK
[15:19] <BluesKaj> getting tired of krunner crashing at the slightest mouse movement
[16:29] <ejat> mamarley: W: gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_juju_stable_ubuntu_dists_xenial_InRelease: The repository is insufficiently signed by key A2EB2DEC0BD7519B7B38BE38376A290EC8068B11 (weak digest)
[16:29] <ejat> W: gpgv:/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_mamarley_quassel_ubuntu_dists_xenial_InRelease: The repository is insufficiently signed by key A0D47AB4E99FF9F9C0EA949A26F4EF8440618B66 (weak digest)
[16:33] <mamarley> ejat:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1556666
[16:36] <ejat> mamarley: ok thanks
[19:21]  * clivejo yawns
[20:27]  * soee wrrrr..............
[21:24] <yofel> clivejo: did you make progress with kipi?
[21:25] <clivejo> I didnt, been looking at the kde wiki
[21:25] <yofel> ok
[21:30] <yofel> clivejo:   4     - Removed upstream patch (upstream_qmax.diff)
[21:30] <yofel> why?
[21:30] <yofel> wrt. calligra
[21:59] <clivejo> yofel: because those changes are already in the source
[21:59] <yofel> ok
[22:00] <clivejo> I cant find the git
[22:00] <yofel> nah, if that's it then it's fine
[22:00] <clivejo> but I check the source code and the changes are actually in the tar ball
[22:00] <clivejo> is that not the right thing to do?
[22:01] <yofel> it is, the changelog just wasn't clear about why the patch was removed
[22:01] <clivejo> I thought upstream meant that it was cherry picked from upstream git to fix a problem
[22:02] <clivejo> and in next release the issue will be fixed so patch can be removed
[22:02] <clivejo> how do I explain that?
[22:02] <yofel> except that "next" release can also mean next major release. So that's not necessarily an automatism
[22:03] <clivejo> in the changelog?
[22:03] <yofel> I changed it to "- Remove upstream_qmax.diff - applied upstream"
[22:03] <yofel> that's what we usually write
[22:04] <clivejo> you pushing that to bzr?
[22:04] <yofel> yes
[22:05] <clivejo> ok, I also uploaded it to misc
[22:06] <clivejo> I had a problem merging in bzr
[22:06] <clivejo> seemed to totally mess up the changelog
[22:07] <clivejo> so have to edit it manually
[23:12] <yofel> The signer of this package is lacking the upload rights for the source package, component or package set in question.
[23:12] <yofel> uhm.. how did that happen..
[23:13] <yofel> I don't have the energy for this right now
[23:13] <yofel> nini
[23:13] <sgclark> night yofel!


[00:16] <guiverc> The_LoudSpeaker: https://photos.app.goo.gl/evg57sEh9UKPzqtY8  & https://photos.app.goo.gl/aHkS4r9gShVqi8Kk7  but note: I don't see a difference (so am worried i stuffed something again, but don't see what)
[01:29] <sappheiros> wxl: regarding the lubuntu manual y'all say, "The master branch of this data is now on LXQt for Lubuntu 18.10+ and if you want code for earlier versions it is on the LXDE branch." but there is both 18.04 and LXDE -- i'm not sure which is to be used and it seems redundant to me
[01:29] <sappheiros> i mean, one seems good to delete in favor of the other, and i'm guessing 18.04 should be the one going forward, so i'm perplexed
[01:29]  * sappheiros is also still learning how to use the phab system
[01:30] <sappheiros> they seem identical at a glance
[01:35] <lynorian> 18.04 and LXDE are idenitcal
[01:35] <lynorian> for the manual
[01:35] <lynorian> sappheiros: ^
[01:37] <sappheiros> lynorian: why are there two -- oh. you mean LXDE and 18.04 are different phab projects, but the manuals are synced?
[01:38] <sappheiros> that is, the 18.04 manual is mirrored on LXDE in case people want to edit there?
[01:42] <lynorian> dang sapheiros left
[01:45] <sappheiros> is the 18.04 manual mirrored on LXDE in case people want to edit there?
[01:49] <sappheiros> thank you for confirming the 18.04/LXDE manual branches are identical. it's not yet clear to me whether one is a mirror of the other or what the reason is for two identical phab directories
[01:50] <lynorian> sappheiros: I named it LXDE before 18.04 as a way I tried to get multiple versions working but that ended up being pretty much broken
[01:50] <lynorian> teward: been to busy to set up read the docs any?^
[02:23] <teward> lynorian: still not sure how to get it fully working with the dev envs.
[02:23] <teward> i HAD spun it up but it's really unclear on things
[02:23] <lynorian> teward: dang
[02:24] <teward> it's not clear on getting documentation 'environments' set up unfortunately
[02:24] <teward> so it's been a lower priority
[02:24] <lynorian> understood
[02:24] <teward> what with other things like the cala vulns
[03:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T30: Theme GRUB] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30#1397
[03:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T30: Theme GRUB] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30#1398
 Anyone with a 4k display? I don't have so can't check. But I wanted to see how the wallpaper stretches on it. Would have to be a uefi system.
 @The_LoudSpeaker I don't own one wither
 But I do have a 42" LCD at my home. Gonna try on it when I get there. XD
[04:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALafe7bdc753c4: Remove more whitespace] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALafe7bdc753c4
 @wxl [<wxl> it's like they're hardcoded], I quoted same sentence earlier. You didn't believe me. XD … But keeping it to desktopswitch2 works in my case.
 Can someone please check the files I added to https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1327  ? … Just copy them to local config places (i.e. under ~.config/) … And restart the system. Please check if "Super+Fx" takes you to desktop "x"  … It will clear doubts if desktopswitch2 works only on my vm.
[06:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] fix keyboard shortcuts: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1327
[08:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#1401
 is there a method we could ask palinke for a new release of nm-tray? (And after that package it in debian) currenlty there is 0.4.2 from oct 18 (there where 3 in 2018 and 3 in 2017) and does not has our icon fix.
 https://github.com/palinek/nm-tray/releases
[15:42] <apt-ghetto> You can open a new issue and ask him directly.
 ok, just wanted to know if there was another method. Thanks!
[15:48] <apt-ghetto> Maybe there is, but I think it makes sense to open a new issue. So also other will have this information
[16:58] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: maybe try this and hand edit the patch to make it work right
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: maybe try this and hand edit the patch to make it work r …], Try what?
[17:01] <wxl> the patch
[17:02] <wxl> if desktopswitch2 does not work for me, chances are it won't work for someone else
[17:02] <wxl> it's not going to be an acceptable solution
 Ummm. I am a bit confused. By "patch" you mean using desktopswitch2 ?
 @wxl [<wxl> if desktopswitch2 does not work for me, chances are it won't work for some …], Yup! There is a good chance of that.
[17:05] <wxl> the patch is part of your differential
[17:05] <wxl> you'll notice the raw file isn't in there, but a patch
[17:05] <wxl> !patch
[17:22] <wxl> yay another unhelpful answer from fritz
[17:22] <wxl> please test this folks https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfm-qt/+bug/1825587
[17:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1dc0517b8500: Add volume widget screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1dc0517b8500
[18:03] <wxl> looks like we may have a solution to having lxqt-globalkeys respect XDG. everyone go test https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/pull/123
 @wxl [<wxl> looks like we may have a solution to having lxqt-globalkeys respect XDG. e …], So we wait till then?
 I mean till the pull request gets accepted?
 Also, anything about lubuntu-grub-theme wxl: ?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [So we wait till then?], you could download, patch, compile and test.
 @HMollerCl [you could download, patch, compile and test.], Instructions ploxx
 I'm not 100% sure but, you could clone here https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/tree/xdg_configs
 that shoudl have the patch applied
 the README.md has the installation instruction
 then, before laucnhing it ypu should stop the one that comes with the distribution
 Okay. I will try it now.
[19:17] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker re: grub theme what changed?
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker re: grub theme what changed?], Background strech added. Should do better on BIOS systems now.
[19:20] <wxl> oh ok
 Which repo will it get added to? Like rLUBUNTUDEFAULTSETTINGS or rLUBUNTUGRUBYHEME or anything else?
[19:27] <wxl> good question. @tsimonq2 do you know where our grub theme would end up going? i presume somewhere on debian-cdimage?
 @HMollerCl [then, before laucnhing it ypu should stop the one that comes with the distributi …], I clobed repo and checked out the branch with commit. I will build it and install tomorrow. Meanwhile can you tell me how do I go about separating the version of lxqt-globalkeys that came with distro from the version which will
[19:33] <wxl> just don't install the one you compile
[19:33] <wxl> run it only
 @wxl [<wxl> good question. @tsimonq2 do you know where our grub theme would end up goi …], livecd-rootfs
 @wxl [<wxl> just don't install the one you compile], Okay. I will see tomorrow morning.
 Till then, bye.
[19:34] <wxl> ^^ there ya go @The_LoudSpeaker but that's a native package so everything's different
 @wxl [<wxl> ^^ there ya go @The_LoudSpeaker but that's a native package so everything' …], Noted.
[19:34] <wxl> i.e. we won't be using arc
 @wxl [<wxl> i.e. we won't be using arc], Then what will we use? Just git?
[19:35] <wxl> worse
[19:35] <wxl> bzr
 Thought so, when you said worse.
 @wxl [<wxl> bzr], SVN? XD
[19:36] <wxl> ok
[19:36] <wxl> right
[19:36] <wxl> there's worse
 CVS?
 Btrfs snapshots on CentOS 5?
[19:48] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker GRUB still looks cramped on VBox
 palinek answered regarding a new release for nm-tray. He said he didn't had one scheduled but he could do one. I think is better to have one instead of pacthing it on our side. Any other thoughts wxl @tsimonq2 ? https://github.com/palinek/nm-tray/issues/41#issuecomment-509761409
[20:04] <wxl> it never hurts to have a new release especially if he has no plans!
[20:10] <wxl> @HMollerCl @kc2bez @aptghetto would ya'll be so kind as to test that aforementioned pull request for lxqt-globalkeys to respect XDG variables?
[20:14] <wxl> can someone explain to me why debian takes SO LONG to install?
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl @kc2bez @aptghetto would ya'll be so kind as to test that afore …], I will try to get to it tonight.
[20:25] <wxl> whoa
[20:26] <wxl> TIL you can just add `.patch` to the URI of a pull request on github and there's the patch
[20:34] <wxl> ugh i really can't get this to patch cleanly on our current code
 what are you trying to do?
 to patch in our repo?
[20:35] <wxl> the lxqt-globalkeys
[20:35] <wxl> i'll just apply to the upstream code i guess
 can't you clone the branch?
[20:36] <wxl> yeah but since the patch will ultimately be applied to our codebase..
 agaida proposed time for nm-tray release, I think it's ok but wxl and @tsimonq2 could you please post your thoughts? https://github.com/palinek/nm-tray/issues/41
 @wxl [<wxl> yeah but since the patch will ultimately be applied to our codebase..], unless they do a release before
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl @kc2bez @aptghetto would ya'll be so kind as to test that afore …], Is there a test plan? Or does everyone test this and that and say good or not
 @wxl [<wxl> the lxqt-globalkeys], Are you using the ci/unstable branch?
[20:40] <wxl> @aptghetto basically put a config file in /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt for globalkeys and make sure it reads it
[20:40] <wxl> and.. no
 You could apply the patch from the PR to the ci/unstable branch, push, wait until jenkins and brittney did their work and test the deb package in a vm ü


[00:40] <bigjools> roaksoax: can you do anything about the package in precise-proposed?  Many people are hitting the bug with juju core now and the -proposed is verified.
[01:02] <roaksoax> bigjools: not unly *all* the bugs are verified
[01:02] <bigjools> roaksoax: oh it's one big package?  feck
[01:02] <bigjools> I'll set about that then ...
[01:04] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah, SRU's usually recommned to fix various bugs in 1 upload
[01:04] <bigjools> ok
[01:19] <AskUbuntu> Scaled down Openstack Grizzly installation with Juju and Maas | http://askubuntu.com/q/346898
[01:57] <bigjools> smoser: can you verify this please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1064527