[08:49] <liviuc> FYI: I fixed my Xubuntu's sleep/power off issue. It was all due to badly configured "Power Manager" settings, doh!
[10:32] <mmfood> wow, the software center is really a horrible experience for me. I installed xubuntu in a virtual machine (arch host) and need to install the guest drivers etc. But the software center keeps the dpkg locked down so I can't use apt-get. And when I finally can point my studdering mouse to install the updates in software center it tells me that it is installing the updates. But then it just flickers a bit and
[10:32] <mmfood> everything is back the way it was. Nothing is installed.
[10:42] <crond> mmfood, open terminal, find the process for the software-centre, kill it, then sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[10:42] <crond> I don't even know why that program exists, but w/e.  I just don't use it.
[10:43] <crond> the process is called 'gnome-software' om 17.10
[11:08] <mmfood> crond: right, thx!
[11:09] <mmfood> any ideas as to what guest packages to install?
[15:58] <JTech> I'm not sure if Flash is my problem, but web browser games aren't loading any more, and I'm trying to install Flash but nothing works. that is, none of the software is found in the "software", nor in the website that help.ubuntu links to (for some reason directs to snapcraft.io/store )
[15:59] <JTech> ok... the link in help.ubuntu is apps.ubuntu, so I guess my Xubuntu is redirecting to snapcraft.io/store
[18:03] <scrolling> Hi, I'm trying to get reverse scrolling to work but selecting it in the settings has no effect, even after a restart
[18:04] <scrolling> Anyone know why that might be?


[12:40] <Zimdale> Morning
[12:42] <Zimdale> So you guys have been in the commuting tech industry for long than I in michigan.....whenever it snows did everyone always flip a shit and start sending people home early and freakin' out about commuting into work?
[12:53] <jcastro> iirc usually there's no flipping out
[12:54] <jcastro> usually it's like "everyone knows tomorrow will be a snow day"
[13:07] <jrwren> right, and this wasn't just snow. this was a lot of snow in a short period of time.
[14:32] <jcastro> rick_h_: are you here or on the road?
[15:01] <jrwren> remember Helix Code?
[15:01] <jrwren> The founders now work for microsoft.
[15:01] <jrwren> remember GNOME?  1/2 of the founders now work for microsoft.
[15:03] <cmaloney> Zimdale: Depends on the job
[15:03] <cmaloney> I know a lot of folks are at work
[15:03] <cmaloney> I prefer to work from home whenever I can
[15:03] <cmaloney> so I'm working from home
[15:05] <jcastro> man
[15:05] <jcastro> snow ain't no joke today
[15:05] <jcastro> had to do everything three times
[15:05] <jcastro> maybe I should have gotten the more high end snowblower
[15:17] <jrwren> try a shovel.
[15:17] <jrwren> its quality cardio and strength training
[15:17] <brousch> Yeah, good shovel day
[15:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: in orlando
[15:29] <jcastro> jrwren: I had to also shovel, it's just a hot mess all around, heh
[15:29] <jcastro> rick_h_: man, this 5x is awesome, I just got one for myself, gets here in a few days
[15:29] <jcastro> going to try this projectfi google MVNO as well
[15:32] <cmaloney> so the 5X is jcastro approved?
[15:32] <jcastro> It gets a +1 from me
[15:32] <cmaloney> (looking at phones and not sure I want to spend $$ on the 6p)
[15:32] <jcastro> The normal 5 also got better with M
[15:32] <jcastro> with L it was a piece of shit
[15:32] <jcastro> the 6p is like the size of an xbox
[15:32] <jcastro> I can dig why people like that, but it's not for me
[15:33] <jcastro> the 6p is also huawei, where as the LG 5x is a known entity to me
[15:34] <cmaloney> Yeah, that was was a big factor for me
[15:34] <jcastro> I've had LG in the past and they're decent, didn't feel like taking the plunge on a high end phone from a mfg. I've not used before
[15:35] <cmaloney> Well, pretty much anything is a step up from my phone
[15:35] <cmaloney> still rockin' the Samsung S2 Epic 4G Touch
[15:35] <jcastro> you can have my 5 if my friend's GF doesn't take it
[15:36] <cmaloney> Cool. Thank you!
[17:20] <jrwren> its only 12:20 and I really want that 4th cup of coffee... what to do.. what to do... ;]
[18:14] <cmaloney> I believe you prep for your fifth cup of coffee and be done with it
[18:17] <jrwren> i've held for an hour to let some of the caffiene in my blood get processed :p
[18:37] <brousch> Switch to decaf
[19:25] <cmaloney> http://duckboy.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/540x360/521038d3e98391b49ed35b0dcfe49472/d/e/death_before_decaf.jpg
[19:25] <cmaloney> One of my co-workers got me a postcard with that on it.
[19:25] <cmaloney> It's at work. ;)
[19:26] <jrwren> cmaloney: that is awesome.
[19:28] <jrwren> cmaloney: i was kinda hoping i'd click and see a variation of: http://www.tattoosymbol.com/just-for-site/death_before_dishonor_flash.html
[19:30] <cmaloney> There's several of those
[19:30] <cmaloney> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/0a/92/5d/0a925d7ece12ea36785181ddd2a591b7.jpg
[19:30] <cmaloney> https://img0.etsystatic.com/034/0/6242771/il_214x170.657507218_rw8o.jpg
[19:31] <cmaloney> https://www.google.com/search?q=death+before+decaf (image search)
[19:32] <jrwren> ha!


[23:34] <nemptor> dli: what would i like to know is before installing ubuntu it asked me to make a swap partition, now that i've been using now i cant seem to find it. how do i use mkswap? sorry newbie here
[23:35] <Nertil> #VERSION=`cat /etc/slackware-version`
[23:35] <dli> nemptor, you didn't setup a swap space during installation, but you want to add one now?
[23:35] <Nertil> were can i find this on ubuntu
[23:35] <Nertil> i mean how to find ubuntu version
[23:36] <bazhang> !version > Nertil
[23:36] <nemptor> dli: i have set it up but i think i forgot to format it, how do i find it now?
[23:36] <Nertil> i need the /etc/
[23:36] <Nertil> i need to set up in script!
[23:37] <Nertil> example
[23:37] <Nertil> #VERSION=`cat /etc/slackware-version`
[23:37] <dli> nemptor, you only have to mkswap /dev/foo, and add a line of '/dev/foo 	none	swap	sw	0	0' to fstab
[23:38] <shcherbak> viliny_: this is called window decoration, and you can remove or change it (see: compiz, emerald, xmonad)
[23:38] <dli> nemptor, of course, to use swap immediately, do "sudo swapon -a"
[23:38] <Sanky> In the Gnome toolbar, is it possible to change the "Applications, Places, System" names to something shorter? i.e. "A P S"
[23:39] <viliny_> sherbak, as a knowleadgable person who is already familiar with this, what would be the best way to go about doing this one specific task? and how do i do it?
[23:39] <Nertil> guys?
[23:39] <Nertil> #VERSION=`cat /etc/slackware-version`
[23:39] <Nertil> i need the ubuntu version of this
[23:39] <bazhang> Nertil, /etc/lsb-release
[23:39] <Nertil> thank
 you can better use a boton
[23:40] <Sanky> Felip0n, boton?
[23:41] <jdimatteo> hi all, I'm trying to setup NIS to better handle when the network connection drops.  How can I configure NIS to first check the local passwd file when logging in as a local user such as root?
[23:41] <jdimatteo> I want to avoid the NIS timeout
[23:42] <Nertil> du: cannot read directory `/home/nertil/.subversion/auth': Permission denied
[23:42] <Nertil> how to fix this please?
[23:42] <jdimatteo> Nertil: check the permissions with ls -l
[23:42] <dli> Nertil, sudo du
[23:42] <obengdako> anybody here uses usenet i've got almost all the clients installed eg Pan Newsreader but i can't configure it to read or even download any news , plus i'm a newbie/noob to usenet
[23:42] <jdimatteo> can someone please recommend a channel for NIS configuration help?
[23:43] <StarCraft_II> I'm trying to set up Vodafone mobile internet on my computer, Ubuntu shows me the wizard, I answer the questions, tell it I am using a pre-paid account, then check the settings afterwards and compare it with my ISP's instruction book and the settings look the same, yet I can't connect... Something is wrong with the Ubuntu software for mobile internet....... Please help
[23:43] <StarCraft_II> The mobile USB modem is called K3571-Z
[23:43] <StarCraft_II> made by ZTE
[23:44] <possebon> Alguem fala portugues? - private-me
[23:44] <rww> !pt | possebon
[23:44] <jdimatteo> well, I guess nobody can even refer me to a channel for NIS questions
[23:44] <StarCraft_II> The wizard asked me the ISP and I told it I am using Vodafone.
[23:44] <obengdako> StarCraft_II,  when you connect it and go to your network connections is Mobile Broadband available? else you may also have to look into gprsec
[23:44] <jdimatteo> oh well, goodnight guys
[23:44] <Draqul> Goodnight jdimatteo
[23:45] <StarCraft_II> Yes it is "available"
[23:45] <StarCraft_II> but if I click it
[23:45] <StarCraft_II> nothing happens
[23:45] <StarCraft_II> in the network manager
[23:45] <Blue1> How do you change keyboard layout in ubuntu?  what is the path through the menus to get there...
[23:45] <StarCraft_II> it's always disconnected
[23:45] <obengdako> okay now go tho the configuration for the connection you created and is the modems light indicator blue?
[23:45] <Draqul> Blue1: System-Preferences if I recall...
[23:46] <mullenuh> join ubuntu-se
[23:46] <StarCraft_II> Oh I am using it at the moment now in windows
[23:46] <StarCraft_II> I'll have to disconnect
[23:46] <StarCraft_II> then come back to tell you
[23:46] <StarCraft_II> will you still be here?
[23:46] <obengdako> no no StarCraft_II i'll be here but i thought you were in ubuntu
[23:46] <StarCraft_II> no
[23:46] <StarCraft_II> I only have this dongle for the net
[23:46] <StarCraft_II> at the moment
[23:47] <StarCraft_II> no wired net
[23:47] <obengdako> when you go in there check your number if it is *99# and the APN what your provider uses and ensure the indicator light is blue meaning good reception all the best! StarCraft_II
[23:48] <StarCraft_II> I already checked thos
[23:48] <StarCraft_II> the number and APN are correct
[23:48] <StarCraft_II> but I didn't check if the light was blue
[23:48] <StarCraft_II> I will check now, but I assume the light is blue...
[23:48] <Kingsy> does anyone have an idea about my query?
[23:48] <djzn> how to share a printer between two ubuntu, BUT with constant IP changes (sometimes computer one is <IP_ADDRESS> and two is <IP_ADDRESS>... sometimes the reverse).....
[23:48] <StarCraft_II> what do I do if the light is blue but I still can't connect?
[23:48] <obengdako> StarCraft_II, so when you ask it to connect what happens and now what is the indicator light now like?
[23:49] <obengdako> i hope you the light i'm talking about StarCraft_II
[23:49] <Draqul> StarCraft_II: please do not use "enter" as punctuation.
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> StarCraft_II: can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[23:49] <StarCraft_II> What is <IP_ADDRESS>?
[23:49] <mikemiller> I'm running Ubuntu in a VMWare Fusion VM, and the machine is going to sleep, despite having both sleep settings set to "Never." Any idea why?
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> StarCraft_II: its an IP outside of your LAN
[23:50] <obengdako> StaffanE,  i think he want you to ping but ActionParsnip i think he said the modem is even unable to make connection
[23:50] <mikemiller> (it's on 10.04 LTS)
[23:50] <obengdako> StarCraft_II, not StaffanE
[23:50] <StarCraft_II> Oh <IP_ADDRESS> is Google DNS
[23:51] <StarCraft_II> Yes, I'm trying to establish a connection.
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> StarCraft_II: what it is is worthless, if you dont get web access but can ping <IP_ADDRESS> then your DNS sucks
[23:51] <StarCraft_II> ok
[23:52] <StarCraft_II> I'll plug it in and check if the light is blue
[23:52] <StarCraft_II> brb
[23:53] <magicianlord> you often wonder what the point of LTS is, when the support is only 6 months longer than any other point of time release.
[23:53] <kek> is it possible to skip the boot splash screen (called plymouth?) without having access to the grub config? my computer is stuck at booting and i would like to see the error messages...
[23:53] <kek> i don't have a grub menu, not sure if i'm using it even.
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> kek: press ESC
[23:54] <Ward|> anyone ever setup speech-dispatcher with festival?
[23:54] <Felip0n> i have a problem with keyboard from a notebook and ubuntu
[23:54] <kek> ActionParsnip: doh. thanks!
[23:54] <dan2> hey guys, I've got a brand new laptop i7 quad core 720qm, and I notice frequently that after a certain period of time, sound will just stop working
[23:54] <Felip0n> don't worl
[23:54] <dan2> I dont' think it's a fixed amount of time, but I think it occurs after some sort of event
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> kek: you can hold shift at boot to get the old grub menu, then press E to (e)dit the entry to disable the boot splash
[23:54] <magicianlord> sometimes alsa just stops working
[23:54] <dan2> magicianlord, never had that problem before
[23:55] <dan2> the only way to make my sound come back without rebooting my machine
[23:55] <magicianlord> or the sound wont work in an application,because it's busy in another app
[23:55] <dan2> is to chmod -x /usr/bin/pulseaudio, killall pulseaudio, and alsa unload twice
[23:55] <Felip0n> someone know how make work keyboark in LiveCD Ubuntu 10.10 on notebook
[23:55] <dan2> magicianlord, it's definitely not that
[23:55] <Ward|> i tried setting up speech-dispatcher with festival but i can only get it to work with espeak, i edited the config to get the festival output module loaded and i also started afestival --server , went trough lots of docs, ... If anyone has experience with this, please let me know
[23:55] <Kingsy> **bump** I connected to my server using ssh -i id_rsa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and for some reason a GUI input box appeared asking me to unlock my private key, I entered the password and it connected. However.. now if I delete or rename id_rsa from .ssh/ and try and connect with ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for some reason its still using the id_rsa key and its working?? how is that even possible?
[23:55] <SpiritsInside> hi, how can i bind /dev/sda3 to my /home/data folder?
[23:56] <magicianlord> ok dan2
[23:56] <Kingsy> could it be cached somehow because of that GUI box ?
[23:56] <SpiritsInside> or /home/data/data
[23:56] <galadude> hi, i just installed ubuntu netbook remix, I can't get the right resolution. I only have one resolution in the monitor settings
[23:56] <galadude> please help :)
[23:56] <Ward|> also festival works fine regulary
[23:56] <SpiritsInside> galadude check to see if there are additional drivers supported
[23:56] <Ward|> i mean when i start it manually festival works fine
[23:57] <starn> Hello all.
[23:57] <Kingsy> like is there a way to reset a shell's cache or something??
[23:57] <Felip0n> someone know how make work keyboark in LiveCD Ubuntu 10.10 on notebook
[23:57] <magicianlord> dan2: what release
[23:57] <galadude> thankyou, i'll try
[23:57] <dan2> magicianlord, both lucid and maverick
[23:58] <okapi14> hi guys,do you have as much trouble than me with Maverick?
[23:58] <magicianlord> dan2: ok man. what did you think of karmic? that's my fav
[23:58] <starn> whats an small media player everyone would suggest rhythmbox is great, but not so much when a game is running
[23:58] <dan2> magicianlord, I was on karmic too, I can't remember the order of these installs anymore
[23:58] <magicianlord> starn: vlc
[23:58] <dan2> magicianlord, I think I may have found a solution
[23:58] <magicianlord> haah yeah
[23:58] <StarCraft_II> OK I get a blue light, but whenever I click on the Mobile connection in the manager it straight away says (You have been disconnected) in a notification thingy
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> starn: deadbeef :)
[23:58] <magicianlord> what is it?
[23:59] <StarCraft_II> So I didn't bother trying to ping google dns
[23:59] <StarCraft_II> Why would it suddently say You hav ebeen disconnected if my connection settings are correct?
[23:59] <dan2> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1473625.html
[23:59] <Kingsy> ActionParsnip - sorry to single you out, but I don't suppsoe you have an idea about my query do ya?#


[22:52] <thomi> Does anyonw know what this error means while trying to run 'bzr revno'?
[22:52] <thomi> bzr: ERROR: Could not determine revno for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>because its ancestry shows a ghost at {thomi.richards@canonical.com-20150716223714-538h7jeoeo5fzb62}


[02:33] <meoblast001> ive descovered something
[02:33] <meoblast001> it is IMPOSSIBLE to get anyone to switch to Ubuntu
[02:33] <cody-somerville> meoblast001, oh
[02:33] <cody-somerville> I've switched a number of people
[02:34] <meoblast001> well when i ask ppl to try it out
[02:34] <meoblast001> they always say no
[02:34] <meoblast001> i tell them of the features, they think its going to be too hard of a switch
[02:34] <meoblast001> or they dont want to do itbecause they're too lazy to put in a cd rom
[02:34] <meoblast001> i have a friend who is suffering from a major virus in Windows that wont let him open his web browser
[02:35] <meoblast001> he wont even try Ubuntu out
[02:35] <meoblast001> i have him my live cd
[02:35] <meoblast001> every time i have a problem in ubuntu they tell me to switch to windows
[02:35] <meoblast001> when i had a major system crash every 1 month in windows compared to every 6 months in ubuntu
[02:35] <cody-somerville> meoblast001, I'm not sure what to tell you but there are some great resources on the wiki to help you
[02:36] <meoblast001> i'm also quite angry because usplash crapped on me and no one knows how to help me
[02:36] <meoblast001> its hard to show off ubuntu when usplash fails on shutdown and my "friend" has to stare at a terminal shutting the system down
[02:36] <meoblast001> they'd be like "thats too complicated i dont want it"
[02:37] <meoblast001> and even if i explain "only my computer does that" they wont believe me
[02:37] <cody-somerville> I'm pretty sure usplash on shutdown kinda disappeared for everyone due to xorg changes.
[02:37] <meoblast001> cody_somerville: didnt do it to me
[02:38] <johnc4510-laptop> if i set someone down at my laptop, and they start using it, they usually say: "Oh this is great"
[02:38] <meoblast001> cody-somerville: when i did Ctrl+Alt+F1 for maintance it stoppped working and hasnt worked since
[02:39] <meoblast001> johnc4510-laptop: well no one really wants to come in my house or hang out with me.... Aspergers Syndrom..... not many friends
[02:39] <johnc4510-laptop> ah, don't sell yourself short
[02:39] <johnc4510-laptop> :)
[02:40] <meoblast001> when my comptuer broke last night, i was thinking about just giving up on using my comptuer
[02:40] <meoblast001> but then from 8 - 10 i'd just eat stuff and get fat and i dont want to be fat
[02:41] <meoblast001> i need a new comptuer
[02:42] <meoblast001> i cant even use CD-ROMS on this thing
[02:42] <meoblast001> but im too poor to buy a new computer
[02:47] <cody-somerville> : (
[02:47] <cody-somerville> omg. :(
[02:48] <johnc4510-laptop> odd
[03:14] <meoblast001> you see what i get "(10:13:26 PM) Jason White: its cuz of ur OS"... ppl always blame every problem i have on Ubunt
[03:14] <meoblast001> u


[03:07] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: added a 3 sec delay...
[03:08] <OvenWerks> firefox uses more memory every time I open a new page... if I close that tab, it still keeps that memeory :P
[03:09] <OvenWerks> never need to reboot but restarting FF is a thing it seems
[03:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah, I can't use FF because of that memory leak.
[03:13] <OvenWerks> Anyway, The latest version of controls both logs out correctly and reboots... at least on my Yf's computer
[03:13] <OvenWerks> After build I will try it on this machine with a rotating disk
[04:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Ok
[04:17] <OvenWerks> Works here too. May work with less than 3 sec... on the other hand, if Carla is running and puts a (are you sure you want to quit) box up... I don't know.
[04:31] <OvenWerks> Actually no, if Carla (or another app) put up a dialog, it waits for that before killing indicators
[04:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> Perfect.
[04:32] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: BTW we need to keep indicator-messages around for at least a bit.
[04:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm pretty sure that was removed?
[04:32] <OvenWerks> no
[04:32] <OvenWerks> it is still there
[04:32] <OvenWerks> indicator sound is gone
[04:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ah, good. Yeah, I don't think that one is going anywhere.
[04:33] <OvenWerks> indicator applications is gone
[04:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah. That was an effort to create uniformity between Xubuntu's panel and ours.
[04:34] <OvenWerks> After I get the tablet stuff done controls is ready for release... assuming no bugs.
[04:35] <OvenWerks> I hope to do that this week
[04:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> Cool. Hopefully we can actually get people testing it when beta hits. :P
[04:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> Also, OvenWerks , check PMs.


[14:46] <Nothing_Much> anything happening on ubuntu-on-air?
[14:56] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: soon
[15:48] <roaksoax> /wi/win 4
[15:49] <mhall119> roaksoax: I aliased mine to /w :)
[15:49] <roaksoax> mhall119: lol :)


[03:38] <TomJaeger> Hi.  Is there somebody here who I can talk to about Bug #152187?
[03:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152187 in linux "Serial Wacom tablet fails to return from ACPI suspend to RAM" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152187
[04:25] <cjb> TomJaeger: I think it's an X bug; X doesn't rescan input devices on coming out of suspend, because it doesn't know we went to suspend.
[04:30] <TomJaeger> cjb, it's a kernel bug and there is a fix for it.  My question is more along the lines of what needs to happen for this fix to be applied to the hardy kernel.
[04:32] <cjb> TomJaeger: Neat, thanks for doing that work.  I have an M200 too.
[04:38] <TomJaeger> The problem is that on the upstream side, there are two parties involved: the ACPICA and linux-acpi. This seems to delay things quite a bit.  I've been trying to get their attention, but it doesn't seem like upstream is going to fix that anytime soon.
[04:39] <TomJaeger> Which is a shame since everyone pretty much agrees on what the correct thing to do is.
[04:39] <cjb> That's frustrating.
[04:39] <TomJaeger> yup
[05:03] <TomJaeger> So the question is if it's possible to apply the fix to the ubuntu kernel even though the problem hasn't been fixed in upstream yet.  I think I can make a pretty strong case because (a) a fair amount of useres seems to be affected (any Toshiba tablet pc) and (b) for typical use patterns of a tablet pc, the problem is pretty severe (I, for one, would prefer Windows over linux any day of the week if the latter didn't support p
[05:03] <TomJaeger> roper suspend).
[08:03] <tjaalton> should the 'linux-restricted-modules-virtual' metapackage be removed, since there is no lrm for virtual, nor would it be useful
[08:41] <soren> tjaalton: I'm surprised such a thing exists?
[08:41] <tjaalton> soren: me too :)
[08:41] <soren> tjaalton: linux-virtual doesn't depend on it, so I never noticed it.
[08:42] <tjaalton> soren: hmm? looking at the linux-meta package seems like it _does_ depend on it
[08:42] <tjaalton> oh wait
[08:43] <tjaalton> soren: do you mean linux-image-virtual? the control-file does have linux-virtual that Depends on lrm
[08:44] <tjaalton> but they exist only on i386
[08:44] <tjaalton> *for
[08:45] <soren> tjaalton: That's odd.
[08:45] <soren> tjaalton: I distinctly remember installing linux-virtual in a vm with only main enabled and it worked.
[08:45] <soren> tjaalton: This was a while ago, though.
[08:46] <tjaalton> hum, the virtual machine can only be i386?
[08:47] <tjaalton> and the descriptions are b0rked
[08:47] <tjaalton> "Real time Linux kernel image"
[08:47] <tjaalton> copy-paste ftw :)
[08:48] <soren> :(
[09:19] <kraut> moin
[10:27] <eradicus> hi why do I get a file not found error module.h
[10:27] <eradicus> here's the code
[10:27] <eradicus> http://pastebin.stonekeep.com/1663
[10:28] <eradicus> i already have build-essentials linux-source and linux-headers-generic and they have the same kernel version of my current
[10:30] <eradicus> anyone who can help me please?
[10:34] <amitk> eradicus: does your Makefile point to /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/build for the includes?
[10:42] <eradicus> amitk, i have these in my Makefile
[10:42] <eradicus> obj-m           := hellodriver.o
[10:42] <eradicus> KDIR            := /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build
[10:42] <eradicus> PWD             := $(shell pwd)
[10:42] <eradicus> default:
[10:42] <eradicus>         $(MAKE) -C $(KDIR) SUBDIRS=$(PWD) modules
[10:43] <eradicus> amitk, it compiles fine.
[10:43] <eradicus> but when I do an insmod hellodriver.ko
[10:44] <eradicus> it says file exists
[10:48] <amitk> eradicus: what is the exact error?
[10:48] <eradicus> insmod: error inserting 'hellodriver.ko': -1 File exists
[10:49] <amitk> eradicus: ohh and what does 'lsmod | grep hello' return?
[10:49] <eradicus> hellodriver             2432  0
[10:50] <eradicus> amitk, it was loaded already :D
[10:50] <amitk> eradicus: you already have a module loaded. Try 'rmmod hellodriver'
[10:50] <eradicus> saw the message in dmesg
[10:50] <eradicus> amitk, thanks
[10:51] <amitk> eradicus: no problems, good luck
[10:51] <eradicus> amitk, ;)
[12:59] <arcticpenguin380> does the kernel use 4k stacks?
[13:08] <cking_> It depends, 4K or 8K
[13:37] <BenC> Good morning kernelites
[13:38] <abogani> BenC: Good morning.
[13:55] <zul> morning
[13:57] <smb_l> morning
[14:54] <BenC> mdomsch: good morning
[14:55] <mdomsch> BenC, good morning
[15:12] <tseliot> BenC: did you have a look at EnvyNG?
[15:14] <tseliot> tseliot: I really need your opinion on it. Let me know if there's something I can do to avoid waisting your time when you check it.
[15:21] <abogani> ogasawara: Are you around?
[15:22] <abogani> ogasawara:  Could you set #193659 on 'Won't Fix", please?
[16:00] <gan> i am following the ubuntu doc of creating the live cd , but not supporting , it is coming upto mounting the filesystem
[16:01] <BenC> gan: That's more of a #ubuntu question
[16:01] <gan> BenC, i feel its a pronb in kernel
[16:01] <gan> BenC, i feel its a problem in kernel
[16:02] <BenC> gan: does the actual livecd work for you?
[16:02] <BenC> gan: not one you created
[16:02] <gan> BenC, yeah
[16:02] <ogasawara> abogani: done
[16:02] <BenC> gan: then it isn't a kernel problem
[16:03] <BenC> gan: unless you compiled your own kernel, in which case we can't help you
[16:03] <gan> BenC, i created the live cd , it is booting upto mounting the filesystem , then it got stop
[16:03] <gan> BenC, i compiled  a kernel for to create the live cd
[16:04] <BenC> gan: then you are on your own basically...we can't debug the kernel you compiled
[16:04] <BenC> gan: sounds like you are missing drivers, but other than that, you'll have to figure things out
[16:05] <BenC> gan: why not just use a normal livecd for install...and if you want a custom kernel, do it on the installed system...why would you use a custom livecd like that?
[16:05] <gan> BenC, the thing is booting propely when i boot from hardisk , the same is not working for live cd
[16:05] <gan> yeah i cahnged the kernel of ubuntu then also i am facing the problem
[16:06] <gan> yeah i changed the compiled kernel to ubuntu then also i am facing the problem
[16:06] <BenC> gan: this is something you'll have to figure out on your own, or ask in #ubuntu
[16:07] <BenC> gan: this isn't a kernel issue (and more specifically, isn't an issue with a kernel we provide)
[16:08] <gan> BenC, thanks
[16:09] <abogani> ogasawara: Leann sorry to bother you again! ;-)
[16:09] <abogani> ogasawara: Bug #129542 was a confirmed bug that don't meet SRU requirements so it should be set "Won't Fix" (and not "Incomplete" that in IMHO is a wrong status).
[16:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129542 in linux-source-2.6.20 "trouble accessing directory with quotes in read-only mode" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129542
[16:09] <abogani> ogasawara: Thanks.
[16:10] <ogasawara> abogani: I'll fix it up, thanks
[16:13] <tseliot> BenC: if you're too busy, maybe someone else from the kernel team can have a look at EnvyNG so that mvo can upload it ASAP
[16:14] <tseliot> BenC: I mean no disrespect
[16:14] <tseliot> ;)
[16:15] <tseliot> BenC: I appreciate your work
[16:16] <BenC> tseliot: none taken...sorry I've been slow...the rest of the guys are busy as well, but I will get a look at it
[16:16] <xivulon> There used to be problem with suspend-to-ram in loopinstallations related to fuse use (root inside file inside ntfs host). I just received some report from users that it now works!
[16:16] <tseliot> BenC: ok, thanks
[16:16] <xivulon> not sure what happened there, but I am quite pleased!
[16:17] <BenC> xivulon: good to hear, even if it's unexpected :)
[16:18] <xivulon> I will try to confirm that tonight and in case close the related bug report(s)
[16:24] <xivulon> wanted to pass the news to mjg59 that had been looking at that some time ago'
[16:24] <TomJaeger> ogasawara, hi, what are the chances of the fix for bug #152187 making it into hardy?
[16:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152187 in linux "Serial Wacom tablet fails to return from ACPI suspend to RAM" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152187
[16:27] <ogasawara> TomJaeger: I think smb and I are still monitoring the upstream progress so it's unlikely to hit Hardy at the moment
[16:28] <TomJaeger> so we have to wait for upstream to fix this first?
[16:29] <TomJaeger> fwiw, our upstream's upstream has fixed this already
[16:29] <ogasawara> TomJaeger: what do you mean by "out upstream's upstream"?
[16:29] <ogasawara> s/out/our
[16:29] <TomJaeger> acpica
[16:30] <ogasawara> TomJaeger: care to point me to a git commit id if you have it?
[16:31] <ogasawara> TomJaeger: and has the patch been submitted to the upstream mainline kernel?
[16:32] <TomJaeger> i don't know how they do their revision control, I'm not even sure it's public.
[16:32] <TomJaeger> But it's in the changelog of the latest acpica release:
[16:33] <TomJaeger> http://www.acpica.org/downloads/unix_source_code_cont.php
[16:34] <TomJaeger> i've attached a hand-linuxified version of the patch to the linux bugzilla report, but apparently they have a conversion tool
[16:38] <ogasawara> TomJaeger: have you submitted that patch to any other upstream mailing lists for review or just in the bugzilla?
[16:39] <TomJaeger> for this to hit linux git, from what I gather, a few things need to happen first:  there was a typo in Robert Moore's patch, that needs to be corrected, then they need to linuxify the latest acpica and then there are some trivial changes in pnpacpi that need to be made.
[16:39] <TomJaeger> ogasawara, just bugzilla, but I think they want to do it their way anyway.
[16:41] <ogasawara> TomJaeger:  any idea when that will happen?
[16:42] <TomJaeger> well, I'm new to all of this, so no
[16:43] <ogasawara> TomJaeger: so basically to answer your original question, until upstream is happy with how the patch is the ubuntu kernel team most likely won't pull in any half-baked patches.  especially since Hardy is an LTS release.
[16:44] <ogasawara> smb: care to comment here? ^^^
[16:45] <TomJaeger> the thing is, everybody agrees on what needs to be done
[16:48] <TomJaeger> okay, so how long before the hardy release date does this need to be fixed in upstream in order to make it into hardy?
[16:49] <ogasawara> TomJaeger: anytime between now and Hardy kernel feature freeze which I believe is April 10.  otherwise it'll get pushed to Hardy+1 (Intrepid Ibex).
[16:50] <TomJaeger> this is all very frustrating
[16:52] <xivulon> BenC did you follow up on loop.c fastfs (http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/1/9/50) by any chance?
[16:53] <xivulon> http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/1/9/50
[16:54] <TomJaeger> ogasawara, does upstream mean linux-2.6 or acpi-test?
[16:55] <ogasawara> TomJaeger: usually linux-2.6
[17:07] <evenit> Hi all. I'm looking for help to compile a custom kernel. I have an this error message "/usr/src/linux-2.6.24 is not clean, please run 'make mrproper'"
[17:07] <evenit> when building with "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=4 AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic "
[17:07] <evenit> Can anyone help ?
[17:19] <smb_l> ogasawara: Hi, sorry for the delay. Yes, I still am watching the original bugzilla for a final version, which then has to make its way upstream
[17:29] <TomJaeger> ogasawara, smb_l, to give you an idea how slowly things are moving when it comes to acpica: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Ftorvalds%2Flinux-2.6.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=acpica
[17:30] <TomJaeger> this ain't gonna happen before April 10
[17:36] <BenC> smb_l: it doesn't need to get into the kernel proper before we can take it, if it gets in acpica, we can review it on kernel-team@ for inclusion
[17:39] <smb_l> BenC: ok, so I see what is there and post it on the list
[18:10] <evenit> hi again.
[18:11] <evenit> i'm still stuck with my "unclean" source tree and make requiring mrproper, even though  it will erase my debian directory... HELP!
[18:14] <smb_l> evenit: How about mv debian <somewhere safe> then do mrproper and mv debian back?
 I believe I'm becoming dumb...
 You were right and compilation has started. Thanks.
[18:19] <smb_l> evenit: np
[18:28] <smb_l> philosophical question: given the option of either having acpi ac_adapter built into the kernel or loaded in the initramfs (so an fsck can check whether running on battery). Which would be the better choice?
[18:45] <BenC> smb_l: init scripts...initramfs doesn't perform the fsck anyway
[18:47] <smb_l> BenC: Not even for /? But right, for the rest its there.


[00:57] <brousch__> Oh helz yeah, I moved back to my 17" MBP. So much screen on my lap.
[01:36] <cmaloney> nice
[03:06] <jrwren> WOOT!!!
[03:06] <jrwren> bug fixed!  https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=60330
[03:19] <_stink_> o/o/o/
[03:21] <jrwren> yeah, so happy.
[13:11] <cmaloney> morning
[13:19] <_stink_> yo
[13:23] <cmaloney> jrwren: nice catch
[13:24] <cmaloney> and glad it was fixed
[13:24] <cmaloney> Although it is still showing up as new so nobody knows it was fixed
[14:25] <jrwren> cmaloney: someone knows. it was discussed in httpd-dev
[14:26] <cmaloney> Very cool
[14:26] <jrwren> cmaloney: next step is backport to trusty, xenial, and yakkety packages. You can put it in your ubuntu-us-mi report if you like.
[14:28] <cmaloney> report?
[14:40] <jrwren> i have no idea.
[14:40] <jrwren> ;]
[14:43] <cmaloney> We're unverified now. Report? :)