[00:07] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Are you covered up ? got time to look into Bilge not able to start the GUI in 15.10 ? got over my experience level .
[00:10] <TJ-> I'll dive in. Looks like the failsafe kicked in an renamed the broken xorg.conf
[00:16] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Thanks .. also http://paste.ubuntu.com/13132993/ .. Do I read right that the Nvidia card can not find a display port ? all attempts are "disconnected " .
[00:17] <TJ-> Bashing-om: This is an Intel/Nvidia Optimus?
[00:21] <Bashing-om> TJ-: affirmed as optimus per the xorg log file .. OP does not know .
[00:22] <TJ-> I wonder if this is one of those MUXless systems - where the nvidia GPU doesn't get to control the outputs, it has to render into shared memory for the Intel to do the framebuffer scanout
[00:23] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I had not even considered that ! muxless .
[00:24] <TJ-> Do you have any nvidia driver installed there; I want to point you to a help file
[00:26] <Bashing-om> TJ-: No .. no longer have any system with Nvidia cards .
[00:26] <TJ-> Hang on then, let me find it online
[00:27] <TJ-> OK, read this: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/352.30/README/optimus.html
[00:28] <TJ-> Re: "Muxless" the sentence "On systems without a mux, the NVIDIA GPU can still be useful for offscreen rendering, running CUDA applications, and other uses that don't require driving a display." seems applicable
[00:28] <Bashing-om> TJ-: (that is subject to change) I have a box I want to build for a media center, if the other half will go along with it -money thing .
[00:28] <Bashing-om> reading
[00:30] <TJ-> I think the appropriate link there is "see Chapter 32, Offloading Graphics Display with RandR 1.4." to http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/352.30/README/randr14.html
[00:34] <TJ-> Chapter 32 seems to suggest that special xorg.conf is the solution to enable offloading, but there may be some additional firmware configuration for the video to be done
[00:35] <Bashing-om> TJ-: The above might explain the setting ( I had the OP change) " Driver "modesetting". and also why the system over-writes the changed config file ??
[00:38] <TJ-> Yes, it looks like it detects the bad xorg.conf broke things, renames it out the way, and creates a default config. I have the same thing happen with my 6-monitor config if the external GPU adapter isn't connected
[00:40] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Regressing a bit; so the output of ' /usr/bin/prime-supported ' being "yes" .... we have a problem ?
[00:40] <TJ-> If this will solve these MUXless issues, we can use it as the blueprint from now on to quickly fix these darn things
[00:41] <TJ-> the /var/log/prime-supported.log had "Requires offloading: yes"
[00:41] <Bashing-om> TJ-: We started messing with this yesterday . I have made 0 progress with it to this time .
[00:41] <TJ-> so I think we can infer from that this is MUXless and has to offload rendering to the Nvidia GPU
[00:42] <TJ-> This is the first time I've found/seen a sensible simple solution for MUXless - I usually ignore/walk away from Optimus :)
[00:43] <Bashing-om> TJ-: My 1st also with a optimus system that is MUX-less . I am again in a learning mode . thanks .
[00:47] <TJ-> This seems to be key, from that Chapter 32:
[00:47] <TJ-> command to query the capabilities of the graphics devices. If the system requirements are met and the X server is configured correctly, there should be a provider named NVIDIA-0 with the Source Output capability and one named modesetting with the Sink Output capability. If either provider is missing or doesn't have the expected capability, check your system configuration
[00:47] <TJ-> $ xrandr --listproviders
[00:48] <pauljw> gnite all
[00:51] <TJ-> I think we may be there! I suspect Bilge only needs to sort out Unity issues in the profile
[00:53] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I will be much relieved if that is so .
[00:54] <TJ-> Hmmm, I had thought there was no log-in at all, but it sounds like there's just a Unity rendering issue, which might be down to a config issue, and clues may be in ~/.xsession-errors
[00:55] <TJ-> Are you OK to pick back up on the Unity config issues? I've not used it in years!
[01:05] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I too could muddle through it . But I do not have access to a running unity desktop. and looks like you are still teaching . sure is nice that Bilge is so willing to co-operate and follow instructions !
[01:07] <TJ-> I'm *sure* monitors.xml has been the issue before; I wonder if it is no longer present on 15.10
[01:11] <Bashing-om> Maybe ~/.config/monitors.xml . Still looking .
[01:12] <TJ-> I think this is going to be a gsettings difference
[01:33] <Bashing-om> TJ-: there is also these config files for unity : ~/.config/dconf and ~/.config/compiz-1 and ~/.dmrc .
[01:36] <TJ-> Right. We only moved .config/ so something in there triggered it to work. I'd love to know what it is!
[01:47] <TJ-> One down :)
[01:48] <TJ-> I'll look at the .config zip Bilge has sent tomorrow when I'm more awake
[01:57] <Bashing-om> TJ-: UH, huh on the down .. I would never have figgured it out .. was chasing my tail . thanks heaps .
[02:02] <TJ-> You're welcome. I think part of the issue was the user's description of the issue. I originally thought it was failing to log-in, but it turned out to be 'no workspace/desktop'
[02:10]  * daftykins yawns
[02:10] <TJ-> fed up on the bonfire toffee?
[02:12] <daftykins> what on earth is that? :D
[02:12] <daftykins> heh US lass i know was asking me why there were fireworks here
[02:20] <TJ-> I managed to burn out a disk-on-module SSD yesterday
[02:22] <TJ-> first a PCB trace from the +5ve input to pin 20 on the PATA-IDE header then realised the LDO voltage regulator was taken out, too! I had managed to connect the device 1 pin column to the right! It would have been fine BUT that pin 20 - which is supposed to be blank, and used as a keyway, was on this device connected to that external 5V input, so when I connected it incorrectly I managed to connect the
[02:22] <TJ-> 5V external input to ground!
[02:24] <TJ-> bonfire toffee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonfire_toffee
[02:29] <daftykins> ouch!
[02:50] <daftykins> good ol' bodhi.
[02:59] <TJ-> Wasn't it one of those Thinkpad Edge models where the boot-loader EFI file had to be marked as 'trusted' before it would boot from it? I wonder if that also affects the simple media path boot-loader /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI - be a right pain if it does
[03:13] <daftykins> yeah i vaguely remember hearing that the other day
[03:14] <daftykins> no idea how you sorted that mind you
[03:19] <TJ-> The user passed on some photos of the firmware setup screens. Look at the 3rd photo down: http://imgur.com/a/aj108
[03:21] <TJ-> "Select an UEFI file as trusted for executing:" - Secure Boot Mode *must* be enable to use that. When it is selected a file-chooser is shown and you can browser the EFI-SP to choose and select the file. Once it is marked trusted like that, Secure Boot can be disabled again - but it MUST be trusted whether SB is enabled or not
[03:21] <TJ-> Security Tab, InsydeH2O Firmware
[03:34] <daftykins> haha guy was watching football in the background
[03:35] <EriC^^> yeah
[03:35] <EriC^^> :D
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:55] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: o/ ,,, It is that time already ? Time flys when having fun .
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: hey mate, had a good support night?
[03:56] <daftykins> \o
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[03:56] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Made it a good one .
[03:56] <daftykins> i think lotus wakes up far too early
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> yep lol
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> 4h57 here
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> my pizza was dancinf around my stomac
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> im trying to drown it with coffee now
[03:57] <daftykins> :D
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: did pikachu come back?
[03:58] <TJ-> Glass of cold mik settles pizza
[03:58] <Bashing-om> that what pizza does ! lol
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: oh i thought that was to settle LSD :p
[03:58] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: haha, i'm not sure - not seen any evidence but then i've been offline a lot of today
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: i saw him yesterday morning and told me not to abuse the bot after !language to a stfu user lol
[03:59] <daftykins> ugh, definitely our latest fan then
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> ill be waiting for his mistake :p
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> lets c whats new in ubuntu news land
[04:01] <TJ-> We've never seen this 'deitarion' before that I can tell, but the character is rather like pikapi
[04:01] <daftykins> i'm not sure pikapi has as much of a clue :)
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: TJ- is convices he has asperger :p
[04:02] <daftykins> i think 90% of freenode is
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> haha
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/10/29/the-ubuntu-online-summit-starts-next-week/
[04:04] <TJ-> right, deitarion is http://blog.ssokolow.com/
[04:05] <TJ-> what's the haha for?
[04:06]  * lotuspsychje crawls back in his mental cell
[04:06] <TJ-> Are you going back to the future, or forward to the past? :D
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:07] <TJ-> I might surprise the dogs and take them out now, before the rain arrives.
[04:08] <daftykins> awoooo
[04:08] <daftykins> :>
[04:09] <TJ-> rain is due to start within the hour and go all day, so i'll go now :)
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu-uos-plenary this is where to summit guys hangout/chat
[04:12] <TJ-> and ...-uos-core
[04:12] <TJ-> and -uos
[04:47] <Bashing-om> Relieve is here, I going horizonal for the spell. Good night.
[09:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:13] <cfhowlett> any ops?? please come drop a ban hammer on xenu-lives
[09:18] <lordievader> cfhowlett: There is a factoid which pings all ops.
[09:18] <cfhowlett> lordievader, got it.  wasn't sure any were in play.  thanks, it's been dealt with.
[09:19] <lordievader> Ok, good :)
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:56] <lordievader> o/
[16:44] <EriC^^> TJ-: man these awkward uefi stuff
[16:45] <EriC^^> just yesterday you were mentioning uefi that have to be "trusted" even with secureboot off and this guy comes in today and his uefi has it
[16:46] <EriC^^> so when the bios didn't like anything i remembered what you said and asked him to check and he had the trust thingy
[16:47] <EriC^^> but it still wont work right, it's been trusted but he keeps getting a boot menu before grub each time :/
[16:48] <daftykins> :(
[16:49] <daftykins> TJ- has a knack for that, he told me about the ACPI OSI thing just the day before someone came in needing it too :D
[16:49] <EriC^^> yeah it's funny
[16:50] <daftykins> is it a Lenovo too? any BIOS updates available maybe?
[16:51] <EriC^^> acer aspire
[16:51] <daftykins> ah, blargh
[16:51] <daftykins> if i remember the acers were the first to want a supervisor password added before they'd give up other options, too
[16:52] <EriC^^> :/
[16:52] <daftykins> ah yeah E11, that's the model range i keep hearing about UEFI issues with
[16:55] <EriC^^> i'm going to get some beer
[16:56] <daftykins> \o/
[16:56] <daftykins> that guy bodhi yesterday would enjoy seeing these setups that don't work with secure boot being on, despite what he kept saying ;)
[16:57] <TJ-> Sorry... was miles away reading!
[16:58] <daftykins> you're forgiven ;)
[16:59] <TJ-> EriC^^: which file(s) were trusted? the UEFI install often installs shimx64.efi as well as grubx64.efi. I seem to recall I may have recommended the user mark all /EFI/ubuntu/*.efi files trusted.
[16:59] <daftykins> acer seem to be performing very badly, in a financial sense - so they might not be long for this world
[17:00] <TJ-> EriC^^: Although with my programming hat on, I'd expect only the file that is listed in the Ubuntu boot menu entry would need to be 'trusted'. On the other hand, as that file will call into the UEFI API to load other files, it might actually make sense
[17:00] <TJ-> They seem to be extremely tied to Microsoft Windows with no concern for interoperability.
[17:01] <daftykins> could be a money/deal thing
[17:01] <TJ-> Strange, seeing as their R&D people must have a lot of experience/knowledge of Linux due to the eee series
[17:01] <daftykins> but then have we seen this trusted file thing on anything beyond acer yet?
[17:01] <daftykins> nah Eee's were Asus
[17:02] <TJ-> I doubt it; MS has got past the point of needing to throw marketing $$$ backhander/rebates at manufacturers
[17:02] <TJ-> Oh, they were!
[17:02] <TJ-> Ha, I knew it started with A :D
[17:02] <daftykins> although acer probably had Linux based netbooks at some point, too
[17:02] <daftykins> hehe yeah i often read the other when i see one
[17:03] <TJ-> It's like Asustek ... is that Asus or some other company, and then there's the ASrock ... always get confused
[17:03] <TJ-> Oh, would you like some pro-tips about IPv6 firewalling whilst I remember!
[17:03] <daftykins> just to confuse you more, ASRock are a subsidiary of Asus i believe - they just do their own separate line of motherboards etc :>
[17:04] <daftykins> does it involve running away from it as fast as you can? :)
[17:07] <TJ-> No!
[17:08] <TJ-> I'm slowly moving our home network over to be primarily IPv6 instead of IPv4 and got myself puzzled and stuck with a simple ping for about 4 hours during the early hours today
[17:09] <EriC^^> i was away a bit
[17:10] <daftykins> my ISP still doesn't give v6, so no hurry to learn for the meantime
[17:10] <TJ-> One of the (many) wonderful things about IPv6 is, due to the address space being 128 bits rather than 32 bits, there is no pressure to re-use IP addresses. Every device can have it's own publicly routed IPv6 address. That means complex network applications will 'just-work', because the gateway device doesn't need to do PNAT (Port and Network Address Translation).
[17:11] <TJ-> So, in practice ISPs assign every connection its own /48 network... that means you have more than 18 billion addresses you can use, rather than the measily 1 address (a /32) having to be shared, as in IPv4
[17:12] <TJ-> It makes things easier since the gateway only has to do routing - no complex connection tracking in the netfilters layer (controlled by iptables).
[17:13] <TJ-> That does mean though, that if you choose not to firewall those connections on the router but on each device, you've got to get the device firewall rules correct.
[17:13] <daftykins> *nod* that's the extent of my knowledge really, plus localhost becoming ::1
[17:14] <TJ-> So... today I was trying to 'ping6' from a server in London back to my laptop PC here. If the firewall on the PC were disabled it worked... great! But, I don't want the world being able to probe the PC. So, first step is to set a default policy of DROP everything on the INPUT table: "ip6tables -P INPUT DROP" ... great. Pings stop getting through.
[17:19] <daftykins> as did everything else? :>
[17:20] <TJ-> Now I want to add a rule to allow IPv6 ICMPv6 echo-request packets in on any wireless interface (which uses the new predictable naming scheme with i/fs starting with "wl") : "ip6tables -A INPUT -i wl+ -p ipv6-icmp -m icmp6 --icmpv6-type echo-request -j ACCEPT"
[17:20] <TJ-> Looks great - except it doesn't work!
[17:21] <TJ-> the packet counters on the policy DROP rule keep increasing. So I change the policy to ACCEPT and the icmpv6 rule counter starts increasing, and the remote gets ping replies.
[17:21] <TJ-> Then I change the policy on INPUT back to DROP and the ping continues for a long time... then fails again!
[17:22] <TJ-> So ... 4 hours of experimenting and scratching my head later, with tcpdump not helping me too much.
[17:22] <TJ-> Then I have the bright idea of adding a LOG target to the INPUT chain and watch the syslog.
[17:23] <TJ-> "ip6tables -A INPUT -i wlp11s0 -j LOG" ... great ... syslog filling with entries rapidly, but strangely the expected DROPS of incoming echo-request (type 128) weren't there, only DROPs of type 135 - weird :s
[17:23] <TJ-> Loooking up type 135 it is "Neighbour Solicitation" ... hmmm AHA!
[17:24] <daftykins> what on earth is that O_O
[17:25] <daftykins> which host did it think was trying to sell it insurance? :)
[17:25] <daftykins> or borrow the mower...
[17:26] <TJ-> NS is built into IPv6, in IPv4 we know it as ARP (Address Resolution Protocol). It's when a device says "WHO HAS IPv4 address a.b.c.d? Tell MAC Address <my Ethernet MAC>" and a.b.c.d sends a packet saying "I HAVE a.b.c.d, my Ethernet MAC is Z"
[17:27] <daftykins> aaaah
[17:27] <TJ-> So, my gateway router was saying "Who Has IPv6 Address 2a02:8011:2007::2, tell <gateway>" but my firewall was DROPing that packet so my PC never replied to the gateway, so the gateway sent a "Destination Unreachable" response back to the remote server that was PINGing
[17:29] <TJ-> So, since the NS request came from the gateway's private IPv6 address, I was able to add a single simple rule to allow all its private traffic in, which covers these NS requests: "ip6tables -A INPUT -s fe80::/16 -i wl+ -p ipv6-icmp -j ACCEPT"
[17:29] <TJ-> Suddenly, ping6 is working reliably :D
[17:30] <TJ-> And now that experience is captured in the logs, so hopefully the explanation and commands will be useful to someone who gets stuck like I was and searches for help
[17:31] <daftykins> so do i understand right that each of your hosts at home will now have an internal fe80... address and also another, internet facing?
[17:31] <TJ-> Yes
[17:32] <TJ-> The fe80:: is everyone's private address space, think like <IP_ADDRESS>/16, or <IP_ADDRESS>/8 in IPv4
[17:32] <daftykins> also i get this feeling that tasks that rely on network scanning, such as adding a network printer will have to have the device actively reply to a broadcast, because it will no longer be found by an exhaustive search because of how long it would take? :D
[17:33] <TJ-> It doesn't work like that. 'discovery' services use Multicast that all devices on that link listen for. We have avahi which is the multicast-DNS service, like Apple bonjour
[17:34] <daftykins> oh ok, i never really sniffed whilst one of such scanners was active to see what it used
[17:34] <daftykins> here's a helpful image for any future acer EFI issues - https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YBDyodrSfpU/Vj3ABK0g4TI/AAAAAAAAhYQ/w3h6p3b7IOs/w683-h659-no/12208754_908703492540113_2109291744906279860_n.jpg
[17:34] <TJ-> Multicast addresses are defined in the standards. There are a few global addresses that all devices will listen to, and there are ranges where groups of devices can choose to 'subscribe' to an individual address for their own purposes, such as communication amongst clients of a particular application
[17:35] <TJ-> HA HA !! Classic
[17:37] <TJ-> I've got to save that!
[19:01] <daftykins> i'm thinking of telling satelite to purge 'lilo' since it seems to be messing up his/her kernel updates - sound ok? GRUB seems to be in use
[19:04] <OerHeks> strange yes
[19:07] <EriC^^> lilo yikes
[19:07] <EriC^^> that's pretty ancient
[19:11] <daftykins> EriC^^: just a heads up, that guys Asus T100 is more of a tablet 2-in-1 device thing, so not quite as conventional as a netbook as they claimed D:
[19:13] <daftykins> could be intel atom or intel baytrail based
[19:13] <EriC^^> oh
[19:17] <daftykins> the EFI probably has to be accessed through that funny windows reboot menu method
[19:27] <TJ-> You mean REAL power-down; Windows 'FastBoot' is a stupid way of saying 'Hibernate' :)
[19:27] <daftykins> heh, it's more than hibernate though really
[19:27] <daftykins> you might even call it... hybridernate!
[19:28] <OerHeks> is that fastboot not a new way of keeping the system running to obtain updates?
[19:28] <TJ-> it just cooperates with the firmware so the firmware knows to skip some steps in POST and not do any boot-device scanning
[19:29] <TJ-> That's why to disable it you have to go into the Windows Shutdown menu and choose Power Off (or whatever its called)
[19:29] <daftykins> or just run "shutdown -s -t 1" in the run dialogue (Super +R)
[19:29] <daftykins> for a one time run
[19:31] <EriC^^> my dad wants to install win10
[19:31] <TJ-> Amazing that Windows is getting a real shell soon, too, be able to SSH in :)
[19:31] <EriC^^> told him i'd check if win10 would run fine on his laptop Toshiba Satellite L55 B5267
[19:31] <EriC^^> anybody know anything about it?
[19:32] <TJ-> Yeah... 75% certain it'll get infected by malware... but not if he uses Ubuntu
[19:32] <daftykins> EriC^^: which Windows did it come with?
[19:32] <EriC^^> he needs windows though for accounting stuff
[19:32] <EriC^^> win8.1
[19:33] <daftykins> ah that should be fine then, worst case scenario some onboard audio quirks - i'd just check whether it needs any software utilities to handle the controls e.g. brightness, volume etc - and check if the toshiba site has them for download
[19:34] <daftykins> and as always with any OS (imo but Windows the most) i'd do a full format and not just rely on the upgrade
[19:35] <EriC^^> sounds good
[19:36] <EriC^^> says here also upgrade to windows 10 for free
[19:36] <EriC^^> http://www.microcenter.com/product/444733/satellite_l55-b5267_156_laptop_computer_refurbished_-_satin_gold
[19:36] <EriC^^> i think it's like upgrade friendly probably?
[19:37] <daftykins> oh yeah that's plenty recent
[19:37] <EriC^^> my dad doesn't know a lot about computers, i think it took us 2-3hours on the phone to make a live lubuntu usb once to try on his older pc
[19:37] <daftykins> i get some quirks on my asus sandybridge from 4 years ago or more, but it works fine :)
[19:37] <daftykins> ouch :D
[19:37] <EriC^^> at the end i told him, fiddle around, get creative, next time we talked i dont remember what he did exactly but i was like what? no dont be creative anymore
[19:37] <EriC^^> lol
[19:38] <daftykins> XD
[19:38] <EriC^^> he really went for it :D
[19:38] <daftykins> well, i'd get him to do a backup naturally then let the upgrade run (since it's the way you convert the license, so to speak) and create a flash drive with Microsoft's own 10 ISO downloader so you can get a true clean install done
[19:38] <daftykins> be a bit of a pain if you're not there in person though i guess
[19:39] <daftykins> there's really no need to upgrade for most
[19:39] <daftykins> i'm not bothering to let any clients upgrade, proper business ones
[19:41] <OerHeks> let me guess, abb4s is on an unsupported 13.10 / 14.10
[19:42] <EriC^^> i think i'll give it a go, he really wants win10 i think
[19:42] <daftykins> OerHeks: or Mint ;)
[19:42] <OerHeks> or fedora
[19:42] <OerHeks> :-D
[19:42] <EriC^^> worse case if it messes up big time i'll just help him fix it when he's here in person
[19:43] <daftykins> EriC^^: oh one other thing would be to burn the recovery DVDs with the manufacturer utility before upgrade
[19:43] <daftykins> you know the ones that let you clean install from? they're always good just in case
[19:43] <EriC^^> yeah definitely
[19:44] <daftykins> i don't trust the recovery partitions :D
[19:44] <EriC^^> yeah me neither :D
[19:44] <daftykins> in fact i nuke all machines i set up, partly to reclaim that disk space ;)
[19:45] <EriC^^> ;)
[19:45] <daftykins> EriC^^: oh one thing that might be useful to know, is that an update should be coming to windows 10 soon (<3 weeks) that will basically update 10 to being how it should've been at release
[19:45] <EriC^^> oh, cool!
[19:46] <daftykins> as we speak i'm trying to get my spare machine to update to the latest build, but it's being stubborn right now :>
[19:46] <EriC^^> :D
[19:48] <daftykins> now that i've passed LFS101x on edx.org i'm going to read the second half of the course material XD
[19:48] <daftykins> hmm, how to setup NFS shares - do i care?
[19:49] <EriC^^> :D
[19:49] <daftykins> it's tough really to try and learn Linuxy things when you don't have a practical application for them
[19:49] <EriC^^> is that the one where you make a game in scratch?
[19:49] <EriC^^> yeah that's true
[19:50] <daftykins> nah, just really basic stuff like an intro to the OS in general... bit of command line, tiny bit of bash scripting is coming up too i think
[19:50] <EriC^^> cool
[19:50] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0xe5qpai5yecabf/edx.JPG?dl=0
[19:50] <daftykins> there we go, that's the start sections
[19:51] <daftykins> maybe i should just move on to the sys admin one
[19:51] <TJ-> I shadowed Eddie on the edX  Python programming course 3 years ago; they were still working the bugs out of the software then and the tests were a real mess
[19:51] <TJ-> Has it improved?
[19:52] <daftykins> well i ran through the final exams twice thinking all i had to do was pick an answer then save, but kept wondering why it didn't give me a result
[19:52] <daftykins> seemed to be i had to click 'check' on each question page too, then it worked and totted up the scores - bit tedious though
[19:53] <daftykins> i think that's because my one gives you two chances to answer each question
[19:54] <TJ-> Yes, that Check thing was fun - sometimes it wouldn't allow the correct number of attempts, other times it would never recognise the correct answer, and other times the 'correct' answer was actually wrong so no-one got it
[19:55] <EriC^^> :D
[19:55] <daftykins> lol oh dear
[19:55] <daftykins> i had my accident whilst working on the first version of LFS101x ("Introduction to Linux") so it was already on v2 by the time i gave it a try the other night
[19:55] <daftykins> i even have a certificate! :P
[19:57] <TJ-> :D
[19:57] <TJ-> I ended up contributing patches to the marking system
[19:57] <TJ-> But never got a cert :p
[19:58] <TJ-> The problem was grad students were being left to run it, and they knew less than the professor, and were overworked and underresourced
[19:58] <daftykins> mmm sounds about right
[19:59] <daftykins> so i guess despite this having some fancy professor on the front, it's really his research Ph.D. lackeys doing the groundwork :D
[19:59] <TJ-> I'm going to write a 'snippets' tool on my web-site for all these often-repeated instructions for acpi_osi and so-on, so there's a nice short URL to give people instead of typing it repeatedly
[19:59] <TJ-> Well yes, that makes sense, especially as there's little to no income
[20:00] <daftykins> sounds like a plan, what about an !acpi factoid ?
[20:00] <OerHeks> but there is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[20:00] <daftykins> hmm none of those have the same aspect
[20:01] <TJ-> OerHeks: I just want a simple text-only link that people can use to easily copy/paste into their shell
[20:01] <TJ-> It can be fetched using curl for example as a script, or whatever
[20:02] <EriC^^> i made a tiny game in scratch once from the cs course i was trying, didnt really continue it just made the scratch game
[20:02] <EriC^^> http://skate.orgfree.com/
[20:03] <TJ-> I'm actually planning on putting my entire /usr/local/bin/ as a shared sshfs accesible resource so folks can mount it and use the latest without messing about
[20:03] <EriC^^> spacebar to kickflip, h to heelflip
[20:03] <EriC^^> lol
[20:07] <daftykins> hehe so many folks trip up over the " for the ACPI stuff :>
[20:08] <TJ-> Yes, it is confusing for non-programmer types
[20:10] <daftykins> guess i'll play with NFS just for the fun of it
[20:47] <daftykins> well that's fun, all i get is the mount command stalling :) i wonder what's going on here!
[20:49] <TJ-> mixing nfsv4 with nfsv3? no rpc running on the server? no idmap configured?
[20:51] <daftykins> hehe, even more basic than that - service not running on the server 8D
[20:51] <daftykins> didn't pay enough attention to package installation output - showing it wouldn't be running at all post install - until /etc/exports is setup
[20:51] <daftykins> little bit surprised that ubuntu lets the service be called the very un-memorable 'nfs-kernel-server'
[20:52] <EriC^^> suspend logs are so exciting
[20:53] <daftykins> lol
[20:56] <TJ-> :D
[20:56] <TJ-> They're the life and soul of the ATH0^
[20:56] <TJ-> oops, disconnected!
[21:30] <TJ-> Hmmmm, I've got an order in for a Tesla S P85D, but wondering now about the new Apple Faraday Future. Would I dare own Apple!?
[21:32] <daftykins> not if i were you ;)
[21:32] <OerHeks> TJ-, buy VW
[21:32] <TJ-> :D
[21:32] <TJ-> OerHeks: I couldn't manage an entire company!
[21:33] <OerHeks> Oh, that is why daftykins and me are here
[21:33] <daftykins> XD
[21:33] <daftykins> yeah we have to eat, too ;)
[21:34] <OerHeks> daftykins needs new tyres, and a cat-door
[21:34] <TJ-> That'll make him draftykins :D
[21:34]  * OerHeks wants just a laptop with 32gb & 2x msata
[21:35] <daftykins> haha, you say that but i often get called that in #ubutu ;)
[21:36] <OerHeks> some say DerHeks
[21:36] <OerHeks> "wipe your screen, silly!"
[21:38] <TJ-> oh, I'm saved! Other research seems to indicate that FF is actually owned by a massive Chinese conglomerate, Leshi Internet & Technology, so I'll only have buggy firmware and the car will problaby talk Chinglish!
[21:39] <OerHeks> password 0000
[21:39] <OerHeks> (hardcoded)
[21:40] <DosTuMai> GPS: Wad go there for liao? Oso geng hao go jin cheng leh.
[21:40] <TJ-> LOL
[21:40] <TJ-> I can actually here that in my head
[21:41] <TJ-> s/here/hear/
[21:41] <DosTuMai> xD
[21:41] <DosTuMai> Might see if I can get my GPS to talk in Singlish...
[21:56] <MonkeyDust> similar to Franglais?
[22:08] <daftykins> this tlt guy seems to be captain guess-the-possible-options
[22:13] <daftykins> i don't like the look of the PCI entry in ksft's paste - http://termbin.com/ukcr
[22:13] <daftykins> doesn't even come up with a name for the nvidia device
[22:13] <DosTuMai> MonkeyDust: I think so. Sing/Chinglish is a mashup of English & Chinese.
[22:14] <EriC^^> i think those butterflies the black ones have to be the stupidest creatures in the universe
[22:15] <EriC^^> one entered my room and is super hyper active turning around in circles in the middle, then goes to the lamp, gets burned, goes in circles again then runs head on into the lamp again
[22:16] <daftykins> :D
[22:16] <daftykins> we mostly get moths doing that
[22:16] <EriC^^> it's like oh look a light bulb, *runs straight into it and gets burned and leaves* then oh look a light bulb etc. etc.
[22:17] <daftykins> poor blighters use the sun to navigate, so think it's their path from what i understand - but then it's not like they fly up into space when they're outdoors
[22:17] <TJ-> daftykins: that ksft lspci is likely because the GPU wasn't released when the PCI tables were compiled
[22:17] <EriC^^> yeah i think it's a moth, it finally entered into the ceiling fan's metal thingy and i can hear it bouncing in it
[22:17] <TJ-> Using "lspci -nn" is preferrable since that always gives you the Vendor:Device IDs so you can check it
[22:17] <EriC^^> daftykins: lol, yeah
[22:18] <TJ-> but also, "sudo update-pciids" will fetch the latest ID tables, so that lspci should then report correctly
[22:18] <daftykins> ah yeah i remember you mentioning that one
[22:18] <DosTuMai> It's the moth's navigation software glitching. They use the moon and stars to navigate by keeping it at a certain angle in their eyes. Kinda backfires with lights.
[22:18] <daftykins> i would've thought neither would stop it working properly though, as the nvidia driver is up to date
[22:18] <daftykins> DosTuMai: ah so they're more nocturnal
[22:19] <TJ-> daftykins: correct, this is just coesmtic for human recognition
[22:19] <DosTuMai> Yah, it'll be a moth most likely. If you had a pic, I could probably identify it. =]
[22:20] <daftykins> EriC^^: pics or it didn't happen ;)
[22:22] <EriC^^> it's in the ceiling fan's metal thingy right now, i can see it walking around in it
[22:22] <daftykins> d'aww
[22:23] <EriC^^> dunno if it can't figure out how to leave
[22:23] <EriC^^> or it's like i'll sleep in this metal nest tonight
[22:23] <DosTuMai> Most likely not. Poor thing.
[22:24] <EriC^^> if i turn the fan on, it will fatality it
[22:24] <EriC^^> lol, i'll probably try to help it out in a bit
[22:25] <TJ-> vaccuum cleaner!
[22:26] <EriC^^> it's odd, i dont see it anymore
[22:26] <daftykins> ok i've no idea how to continue if anyone has any ideas for ksft
[22:27] <daftykins> i don't fancy delving into fixing a steam install just so he can try running the game again ;)
[22:35] <TJ-> did you ask if the user has removed the fluff from the radiator recently?
[22:42] <daftykins> claims the machine is a week old, so it'd be odd for it to be built up that quick, mmm
[22:42] <daftykins> maybe a reinstall of the nvidia packages will provoke something ;) (nah i'm not holding my breath!)
[22:42] <daftykins> i'm gonna get some food prepared
[22:43] <TJ-> I'm off to bed :)
[22:43] <daftykins> so early!
[22:43] <daftykins> nn sir!
[22:44] <TJ-> I didn't get to bed last night, had a nap today whilst it was raining, so trying to get hours back to normal
[22:46] <OerHeks> my dog don't mind walking at nighttimes
[22:50] <TJ-> The Huskies loved their 4am walk this morning :) We got back just as the rain started.
[23:19] <daftykins> looks like ksft got reset again but didn't come back!


[05:49] <phire> xchat doesn't show me the user list, is anyone in here?
[05:50] <kgoetz> hehe. yes
[05:50] <kgoetz> try /who
[05:51] <phire> oh well newayz the reason I'm here is I need to have linux AUTOMATICALLY read the clipboard when it changes
[05:51] <phire> I have looked everywhere on google that I can thing of
[05:52] <phire> I would write it myself but I am new to linux :|
[05:53] <phire> is there anything I can download for that or a site that has info on how to access xclipboard from a shell script?
[05:59] <kgoetz> ahahahaha. active people on irc. classic
[05:59] <phirestalker> ya well it was a pipe dream
[06:00] <phirestalker> I'm too impatient for email or message boards
[06:00] <phirestalker> u know I wouldn't have this problem if another user of the computer didn't need speech :(
[06:01] <kgoetz> :(
[06:01] <phirestalker> I've tried to convice all my friends that linux is better but they are all too lazy to switch lol
[06:01] <phirestalker> what other rooms or servers could I possibly get help from at this hour, do you know?
[06:02] <kgoetz> your questions kinda odd. you could try any gnome or x related channels. i suspect they would be your best bet
[06:02] <kgoetz> gnome offically lives on gimpnet, but iirc theres a channel here
[08:44] <Electro> how do I erase a cd-rw
[09:49] <Electro> I can't upgrade edubuntu via cd, it get to 840-something packages and stops, and then whines that it needs an internet conn
[09:52] <Electro> can anyone help me
[01:03] <sascha7675> Hi mein Name ist Sascha, ich habe ein Problem mit edubuntu und komme da nicht weiter. Ich habe den Terminal server in betrieb und kann mich nicht vom Client anmelden. bekomme immer die meldung Login incorrect
[01:10] <gnomefreak> !de
[01:10] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:12] <sascha7675> ok vielen Dank fr die Info
[01:39] <pygi> hello everyone
[01:39] <pygi> since I probably won't be here, Merry Christmas everyone
[01:39] <pygi> all the best in the upcoming holidays
[06:07] <cstextiles> I ave Ethernet Card but Edubuntu installation errors that there is no Network Interface?
[06:08] <cstextiles> What to do?
[06:14] <cstextiles> Truying to install Edubuntu 6.06  but it says There is No Ethernet card detected. But I have Ethernet Card with which i am accessing the Internet
[07:09] <cstextiles> Truying to install Edubuntu 6.06  but it says There is No Ethernet card detected. But I have Ethernet Card with which i am accessing the Internet
[07:23] <cstextiles> Truying to install Edubuntu 6.06  but it says There is No Ethernet card detected. But I have Ethernet Card with which i am accessing the Internet
[07:30] <LaserJock> are you doing a server install?
[07:33] <pygi> e
[07:41] <cstextiles> Yes I m doing a Server Install
[07:50] <LaserJock> cstextiles: I'm really not sure why it says that
[07:50] <LaserJock> perhaps it is looking for a second ethernet card
[07:51] <LaserJock> as many people are not on IRC because of the holidays you might want to email the edubuntu-users mailing list
[08:03] <cstextiles> Ya I Think so
[08:23] <MrGreen> like can you install edubuntu on top of xubuntu?
[09:37] <sascha7675> Hallo und einen guten Abend an alle
[09:38] <stgraber> !de | sascha7675
[09:38] <ubotu> sascha7675: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:39] <sascha7675> ok vielen dank fr die info
[09:40] <sascha7675> problem habe nach den channel edubunu.de gesucht aber den scheint es nicht zu geben


[12:12] <robottinosino> hi, i am having problems installing LaTeX. example: dpkg: error processing texlive-base (--configure)
[12:21] <robottinosino> What debugging info should I provide?
[12:23] <mitya57> robottinosino: is there anything after that line?
[12:24] <robottinosino> hi mitya57, and thanks for helping.
[12:24] <robottinosino> screenfuls of error messages, even overflowing (as in: No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already)
[12:24] <mitya57> robottinosino: please pastebin those messages somewhere (or show a screenshot)
[12:25] <robottinosino> No problem to pastebin, where can I get the "log" from dpkg?
[12:25] <mitya57> also, which release are you using?
[12:25] <mitya57> /var/log/dpkg.log, but the printed error messages are usually more helpful
[12:28] <robottinosino> mitya57: Ok, so i need to copy/paste those from gnome-terminal? (it's a few screens of them) Or just pastebin the dpkg.log?
[12:29] <mitya57> robottinosino: please paste from terminal (not ones coming from apport, but ones coming from dpkg/apt)
[12:29]  * robottinosino working on it..
[12:30] <robottinosino> release is: raring (but after an upgrade)
[12:31] <mitya57> !pastebinit | robottinosino
[12:31] <mitya57> ^ you can use that, it makes things easier
[12:37] <robottinosino> mitya57: thank you.
[12:37] <robottinosino> mitya57: here is a start: http://sprunge.us/RGEj
[12:40] <mitya57> robottinosino: looks like texlive-base postinst script fails without any error message :(
[12:40] <robottinosino> bad times :(
[12:41] <robottinosino> i can apt-get remove --purge manyThings
[12:41] <robottinosino> should i?
[12:42] <mitya57> robottinosino: can you please run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure texlive-base" and paste the output?
[12:43] <robottinosino> of course i can. thanks again for "staying with this"..
[12:44] <robottinosino> I am using the system directly as root, not sudo'ing, should I try doing the same routine as "tinosino"?
[12:44] <robottinosino> could that be the problem?
[12:44] <mitya57> that shouldn't matter
[12:44] <robottinosino> i noticed when you said "sudo ..."
[12:45] <robottinosino> output: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: texlive-base is broken or not fully installed
[12:46] <mitya57> robottinosino: sorry, that command should be "dpkg --configure texlive-base" instead
[12:47] <robottinosino> sudo: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
[12:47] <robottinosino> right...
[12:48] <mitya57> robottinosino: stop, why do you have version 2009-15 on raring?
[12:48] <mitya57> it should be 2012.20120611-5...
[12:49] <robottinosino> oh... i have no idea why... here the output: http://sprunge.us/DDVU
[12:50] <robottinosino> should i apt-get remove --purge stuff... then you can tell me which package name to install?
[12:50] <mitya57> robottinosino: 2009-15 was in precise, and looks like it was really broken (I see lots of "installation failed" bug reports at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texlive-base/)
[12:51] <robottinosino> right...
[12:51] <mitya57> robottinosino: did you upgrade from precise to raring?
[12:51] <mitya57> and did you have texlive installed before upgrade?
[12:51] <robottinosino> i googled before coming here and i did see many other people struggling
[12:52] <robottinosino> as a matter of fact
[12:53] <robottinosino> in the meantime i have got a VM up, to have a fresh install, and that fails too.. but the vm is 12.04 (please don't be confused by this, it's just an attempt i made on the side, to see whether i could quickly compile my latex and get on with the week-end.. :) so... it's failing in 12.04 fresh and in 13.04 upgraded..
[12:54] <mitya57> robottinosino: so you upgraded from 12.04 to 13.04, right?
[12:55] <mitya57> and did you have texlive installed before upgrade?
[12:55] <robottinosino> in one system, yes
[12:55] <robottinosino> yes, i did
[12:55] <mitya57> robottinosino: as a workaround, you can purge all texlive* packages and then try to install them back
[12:56] <robottinosino> that's what i wanted to do :) thanks for giving me the go-ahead! :)
[12:56] <robottinosino> apt-get remove --purge texlive* ?
[12:57] <mitya57> robottinosino: yes, that should work
[12:57] <robottinosino> mitya57: thank you
[12:57] <mitya57> we of course should fix texlive in precise also, maybe I'll look at it but not today
[12:58] <robottinosino> mitya57: right..
[12:59] <robottinosino> all's gone. apt-get returned
[13:13] <robottinosino> mitya57: i am reinstalling texlive to try again
[13:14] <robottinosino> family calls though.. so i can't spend all day on this.. i'll be back with more info
[13:14] <robottinosino> mitya57: thanks a lot for your help so far, i appreciate it a lot
[13:40] <robottinosino> it is my duty to report that i tried installing texlive-full (even..) on 12.04 LTS and that succeeds if run with sudo as user tinosino and _fails_ (!!) if run just the same but as root, without sudo...
[13:42] <mitya57> that's strange
[13:44] <robottinosino> mitya57: you know what? that _totally_ baffles me
[13:45] <robottinosino> and that confusion, for me.. (in my case, not yours) is a total sign of ignorance.. i just realise i dont' really _understand_ the difference btw sudo and direct login
[22:39] <cjwatson> Aha, I think I might be able to finish the libgd2->libgd3 (plus intertangled net-snmp) transition tonight
[23:10] <cjwatson> ... except missed a bit in the transition tracker.  drat


[11:57] <liam-r> Hi all, is there somewhere other than the packaging & compiling forum or reddit to ask for help with a motu patch without annoying people with mailing list spam?
[12:47] <rbasak> If you're working on something intended to be uploaded to Ubuntu's universe component, here or the ubuntu-motu@ mailing list is absolutely the right place I think.
[12:49] <liam-r> Thanks rbasak, my problem is that my changes to a package are not being reflected in the .deb. I assume I'm doing something very silly but I can't figure it out. Details are at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2373652
[12:54] <rbasak> I'm not particularly familiar with edit-patch.
[12:54] <rbasak> But it seems incorrect to edit debian/changelog from inside edit-patch.
[12:54] <rbasak> edit-patch prompts for a changelog change on exit.
[12:54] <rbasak> Otherwise your debian/changelog change ends up inside the quilt patch, which is wrong and fails to apply.
[12:54] <rbasak> But, before you go there.
[12:55] <rbasak> A fix for a typo in a manpage that comes from upstream is in general not appropriate to upload to Ubuntu.
[12:55] <rbasak> Please send that fix upstream
[12:56] <liam-r> Sure I do intend to, I just wanted to sort out the process and make sure I could build correctly on something very minor where the actual patch problem wouldn't get in the way
[12:56] <liam-r> I'll try again this evening without doing the changleog in the tmp, thanks for your help
[12:57] <liam-r> As far as process is concerned should I also add a patch to the launchpad issue or just mark it as patch sent upstream?
[12:58] <rbasak> I just tried myself and your steps work as long as you miss out the first "dch -i" call in your steps
[12:59] <rbasak> Ubuntu developers won't need to see the patch in the Launchpad bug. But it is helpful to others to record what you've done. I would send the patch upstream and link to the upstream submission in the Launchpad bug. Then all the information about what you did, and access to the patch for anyone interested, will all be available.
[13:00] <rbasak> If the patch were suitable for upload to Ubuntu, then Ubuntu developers would need to see the patch. But usually we want to see where it landed upstream as if upstream have accepted it then taking that exact patch and having reference to it makes life much easier for us. So that's a case where linking to the upstream submission (or preferably VCS commit of it landing) is extremely useful. I'd consider
[13:00] <rbasak> it part of the process for contributors.
[13:01] <liam-r> Thanks a million I really appreciate the help. For upstream would the mentioned "submittodebian" script still be the preferred approach?  http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[13:01] <liam-r> (3.10)
[13:02] <rbasak> Not in this case.
[13:02] <rbasak> A manpage typo probably comes all the way upstream, not just from Debian.
[13:03] <rbasak> See the README file where there are instructions on how to contact the upstream authors
[13:04] <rbasak> You should also check that the latest upstream tarball (or ideally VCS head if they have one) still contains the typo before contacting them, in case they have already fixed it.
[13:04] <liam-r> Perfect I'll do that when I'm back at my dev pc. One last question - since this isn't tracked in debian should I also raise an issue there and link to the patch or is that just overkill? I realise this is a very trivial issue I'm just asking for something that might be a bit more invovled  in the future
[13:06] <rbasak> For this bug, please don't. It just creates work for the maintainer. In the general case, for a bug that might impact users more severely, it's definitely OK to file a bug and providing information on how to fix it (eg. a patch).
[13:07] <rbasak> It all depends on understanding how much a maintainer would like to know about it, versus the fact that the fix will flow down from upstream eventually anyway.
[13:07] <liam-r> I understand, thank you so much for your help and patience.
[13:07] <rbasak> No problem. Welcome to the development community :-)
[13:08] <liam-r> Thanks :) Heading out irl I'll probably be back to lurk later
[23:11] <hwpplayer1> Hi Team !
[23:11] <hwpplayer1> Do you use #ubuntu-science channel ?
[23:18] <sladen> hwpplayer1: ask the people on the #ubuntu-science channel!
[23:19] <hwpplayer1> sladen : this is not the way , i am the single person there
[23:24] <sladen> hwpplayer1: so, I'm not a user of it.  These are specialisms, and a lot of the work is likely to be shared with Debian (Debian-Science), and that may be a good next-port-of-call
[23:24] <hwpplayer1> Okay


[18:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- RikMills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4091 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now


[08:05] <MacSlow> Greetings folks and a happy new year!
[08:12] <tsdgeos> Happy new year folks :)
[08:14] <MacSlow> hey there tsdgeos... thanks and dito :)
[08:16] <Saviq> good mornin'
[08:19] <MacSlow> hey Saviq... happy new year :)
[08:20] <Saviq> MacSlow, thanks, right back at you, you had a reminder set up to come back to work after a month? ;)
[08:20] <MacSlow> Saviq, hehe... not that was not needed :)
[08:23] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/unitySortFilterProxyQML/+merge/245198 this one's "good"
[08:23] <tsdgeos> someone/we copied a class to the sdk with not all the features and the same name
[08:23] <tsdgeos> *boom*
[08:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, heh, interesting
[08:23] <tsdgeos> interestingly it works in Qt5.3
[08:23] <tsdgeos> but it's just sheer luck
[09:35] <Saviq> mzanetti, hi!, re: one staging branch, thought that would be cleaner to not have separate branches per silo
[09:36] <Saviq> mzanetti, but seeing as *all* the linked bugs are shown in the MPs, and that sometimes we need to do more than one at a time, I'm not too sure any more
[09:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, somewhat related to bug #1403045, it looks like there's a second (empty) header on top of the Manage header
[09:48] <tsdgeos> really?
[09:48] <tsdgeos> that's weird
[09:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, only when moving
[09:48] <tsdgeos> how do you see it?
[09:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, as soon as I touch the bottom
[09:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it appears
[09:49] <Saviq> https://owncloud.sawicz.net/public.php?service=files&t=280d4ae6e435e06253e3f75f54c9adf2
[09:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ↑
[09:49] <tsdgeos> what
[09:49] <tsdgeos> is
[09:49] <tsdgeos> that
[09:49] <tsdgeos> Saviq: rtm? vivid?
[09:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, vivid
[09:50]  * Saviq files a bug
[09:50]  * tsdgeos wonders how did that happen
[09:53] <Saviq> tsdgeos, bug #1407620
[10:00] <tsdgeos> that's ultra weird
[10:05] <Saviq> greyback, o/ Athbhliain faoi mhaise dhuit!
[10:07] <tsdgeos> ah i know what's wrong
[10:07] <tsdgeos> it's the upper part of the header
[10:07] <greyback> Saviq: Szczęśliwego Nowego Roku dla Ciebie
[10:07] <tsdgeos> like the search
[10:07] <tsdgeos> wonder why it's there now
[10:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yup, that's what I thought
[10:07] <tsdgeos> maybe it broke when we disabled search
[10:07]  * greyback closes the google translate tab
[10:08] <Saviq> ;)
[10:44] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i think mzanetti is not back until tomorrow
[10:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah yeah
[10:44] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i resorted to clipping the header
[10:44] <tsdgeos> https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/clipScopesListHeader/+merge/245556
[10:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, sounds fine
[10:45] <tsdgeos> i wonder if this is what mzanetti was complaining about with the other bug
[10:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no
[10:45] <tsdgeos> ah no
[10:45] <tsdgeos> you can actually have a huge gap too
[10:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, what he said is that you get a large gap between your finger and the top of manage dash
[10:45] <Saviq> yeah
[10:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, barring that, maybe we can change visibility based on the contents inside PageHeader.qml?
[10:46] <tsdgeos> it's hard
[10:46] <tsdgeos> since it's a full height background we actually need
[10:46] <tsdgeos> for the lower part
[10:46] <tsdgeos> so would need to split into two backgrounds
[10:47] <tsdgeos> not sure it's worth it tbh
[10:47] <Saviq> ah yeah
[10:48] <Saviq> that's fine then
[11:05] <mzanetti> Saviq: +1 on the "not so sure on one staging branch", exactly because of that weirdness with the linked bugs
[11:05] <mzanetti> but nothing that really concerns me until Wed
[11:06] <mzanetti> :)
[11:25] <facubatista> Hola
[11:42] <tsdgeos> Mirv: did you do anything regarding qt 5.4?
[12:25] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I added some modules during vacation on request, but otherwise no and it should be still usable (nothing has landed so nothing currently needs a rebuild)
[12:27] <tsdgeos> oki
[12:27] <tsdgeos> so we still are black on arm
[12:30] <Mirv> yes
[12:58] <Saviq> cwayne, hey in the new year, could you have a look at bug #1394614 and add an appropriate task / file a bug in the appropriate project?
[13:00] <cwayne> err I'll take a look Saviq
[13:00] <cwayne> but it seems to me that we'd want caching there, no?
[13:00] <cwayne> why would we want completely blank scopes :P
[13:01] <Saviq> cwayne, it's not me who filed the bug ;)
[13:01] <cwayne> fair point :)
[13:01] <Saviq> cwayne, someone wrote a manual testcase that said it should not cache
[13:01] <davidcalle> cwayne, with a little timestamp on it for the last updated time, pretty please :p
[13:01] <cwayne> yeah, just saw that, I'll chase this down with them
[13:01] <cwayne> davidcalle: good idea
[13:01] <cwayne> i'll chase down some people and see what the deal is
[13:02] <cwayne> and happy new year everyone!
[13:02] <davidcalle> cwayne, Saviq, indeed, happy new year :)
[13:02] <Saviq> o/
[13:04] <Saviq> elopio, hey, can you please run http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/unity8/strip-tags.py on lp:~canonical-platform-qa/unity8/edges_demo_test and any local unity8 checkouts
[13:25] <Saviq> Fuckin' Spaniards! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IznxHE2pVxc) ;D
[14:05] <kgunn> happy new year all
[14:08] <facubatista> kgunn, happy new year!
[14:14] <mterry> kgunn, I'm already bored with 2015, when will we release a beta of 2016 to run?
[14:14] <kgunn> mterry: hehe, that didn't take long
[14:17] <cwayne> pete-woods: btw i moved that vimeo bug from hanloon to https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-scope-vimeo/+bug/1407691
[14:18] <pete-woods> cwayne: that's a bit of a "change the design please" request, but I can add a new feature to display uploaded videos, too. at the moment it (correctly) shows your feed
[14:18] <pete-woods> i.e. the channels you have subscribed to
[14:19] <pete-woods> would be fairly easy to add a new section or department to represent uploaded videos
[14:20] <cwayne> pete-woods: yeah, not sure if it's a wont-fix or what, just knew it wasn't hanloon :)
[14:20] <pete-woods> okay, cool
[14:30] <elopio> Saviq: done.
[14:45] <mterry> is jenkins down / broken?  Old deb links in MPs are giving me a 404 and it doens't seem to be generating new debs after I've added a commit to the MP
[14:52] <Saviq> mterry, which MP?
[14:52] <Saviq> mterry, seems to work somewhat http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/unity8-ci/
[14:53] <Saviq> mterry, old links got purged, I think old jobs get purged after some time
[14:54] <mterry> Saviq, hrm my MP is https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/tutorial-refactor/+merge/239874 (with a commit from 12/23 that never got built)
[14:58] <Saviq> mterry, let me kick it manually
[14:59] <mterry> Saviq, OK thanks!  And it's normal that the old debs linked in that MP would be 404 now?  (we clean them out occasionally I guess)
[14:59] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, as artifacts they get purged with old jobs
[15:01] <Saviq> mterry, it's building in http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/unity8-ci/5074/console
[15:01] <mterry> thanks
[15:24] <greyback_> are qmlui tests a bit unstable atm?
[15:29] <tsdgeos> are they? last time i checked they were fine
[15:33] <greyback_> just got a fail with https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/unity8/async-dbus-dashcomm/+merge/244892 - no idea why yet.
[15:43] <kgunn> greyback_: random curiosity, what the difference between "unstable" and "failed"...is it all the Qwarns ?
[15:45] <greyback_> kgunn: it seems if a test fails, the test job is marked as unstable. jenkins makes that call. It's not looking deeply into the test case, just reads the return code to see if success of fail
[15:48] <tsdgeos> greyback_: interesting, other jobs from today had this passing afaik
[15:48] <greyback_> tsdgeos: yeah it's odd, maybe my change breaks it. Am trying to repro locally now
[15:49] <Saviq> kgunn, failed usually means that the process of testing failed, so there's no test results (or they're incomplete etc.)
[15:49] <kgunn> Saviq: thanks...makes sense....cause all the summaries do say "0 failed"....but i see stuff like "connection refused failed" in the body
[15:50] <kgunn> of output
[15:50] <Saviq> kgunn, the top job (unity8-ci, the one that reports on MPs) basically has no unstable, if any downstream job is not success, the upstream job goes failed
[15:50] <Saviq> kgunn, your own test suite would have to determine whether warnings are ok or not (that's what UITK do, any new warnings fail the test)
[16:24] <om26er> mzanetti, Hey! back ?
[16:27] <greyback_> om26er: he's not. He's back on Wed I think
[16:28] <om26er> greyback_, hmm, ok. I'll find him then.
[16:29] <Saviq> kgunn, bug #1407708 maybe looks similar to the issue V reported
[16:30] <kgunn> was just testing to confirm it...
[16:38] <Saviq> mzanetti, I know you're not here, but as it's your pet peeve - input appreciated on bug #1407730
[17:00] <om26er> Saviq, during the holidays, I have discovered an issue where dash is black, the process keeps running but dash never shows.
[17:00] <Saviq> om26er, the dash isn't black, the dash simply isn't there, no?
[17:00] <om26er> Saviq, yes, that.
[17:00] <Saviq> bug #1394208
[21:58] <mterry> How do I tell what the post-transformation values for x,y are if an Item defines a set of Transform elements in its transform field?
[21:59] <mterry> (And/or is there a way to query what the rendered x,y are?)


[00:06] <gebbione> hi all how do i check in a shell if statement if an argument exists in a safe way
[07:32] <redtape-renegade> Morning, I'm in bed and no I don't like Felines !
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: but they love you!
[08:21] <redtape-renegade> join #freegamer
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning everyone - happy Super Saturday
[08:46] <redtape-renegade> The rugby ? Who playin' , TheOpenSourcerer ??
[08:47]  * redtape-renegade realises Angleterre is one.
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's Super Saturday - All three final matches of the 6 Nations
[08:48] <redtape-renegade> .. Hav IRL played Italy yet ?
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> redtape-renegade: http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/matchcentre/match-centre_fixtures-results.php
[08:48] <redtape-renegade> opening..
[08:49] <redtape-renegade> [ Round 5
[08:49] <redtape-renegade> Sat 16th Mar 13	14:30	Italy	  v  	Ireland	Stadio Olimpico ]] :)
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> And the current table: http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/match-centre_table.php
[08:50] <redtape-renegade> opening...
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> A Cracking final day has been set up. France must try to stop getting the Wooden Spoon (and not winning a single match).
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wales must beat England by 8 points to win the tournament
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> If England win against Wales they do the Grand Slam
[08:52] <redtape-renegade> I thought IRL were going to the grandslam ?
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> I thought "grand slam" was a tennis thing?
[08:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> It just means winning all the matches in a group of them.
[08:53] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, Shut up this is a proper sport.
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> TheOpenSourcerer, I don't get [ Pos
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	Team
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	P
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	W
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	D
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	L
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	F
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	A
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	PD
[08:55] <redtape-renegade> 	TF
[08:55] <redtape-renegade> 	Pt ]
[08:55] <redtape-renegade> woops.
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> P - Played
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> W - Won
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> D - Drawn
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> L - Lord
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> F - Ponts For
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> A - Points Against
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> PD - Points Difference
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> TF - Tries For
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pts Points
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> L - Lots
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> gah
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> L - Lost
[08:57] <redtape-renegade> Ahh .. So IRL can't be beat for the Grand Slam, then .. Have they  won it before since 1983 ?
[08:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno try Google.
[08:58]  * redtape-renegade scans  lmgtfy
[08:59] <kvarley> Struggling to setup an email server on a real domain, anybody have experience doing this and can guide me through?
[08:59] <redtape-renegade> .. No they haven't NEWSFLASH ..  This is the 1st time in Rugby history, that they'll win it.
[09:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> redtape-renegade: Ireland *cannot* do the Grand Slam. They have only won 1 game this tournament. The *only* team that can do the Grand Slam this year is England
[09:02] <redtape-renegade> Oh , www.96fm.ie/boxtube/default was wrong then .. Propaganda -ho !
[09:07] <redtape-renegade> .. they keep changing their story .. like Scarecrow Man. [!!]
[09:09]  * redtape-renegade has a cup a Marvelous 'Lift' Red berry Cordial drink from Tresco.
[09:11]  * redtape-renegade got TheOpenSourcerer 's  tweet this 'morning .. and agrees.
[09:14] <redtape-renegade> Does TheOpenSourcerer want acouple of Kubuntu pen's . I've got 00's ??
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> No thanks.
[09:14] <redtape-renegade> **100's .. Oh. very well.
[09:18] <redtape-renegade> 'Jacques Brunel' [Italy coach ] .. such an unfortunate name.
[09:21] <redtape-renegade> " Pengui-l " . means ' french-twerp'.. Prob.ly why Linux Penguin will never take off there.
[09:24] <redtape-renegade> Meanwhile in Laaaaandon .. [ http://t.co/7bAChFl2hK ]
[09:25] <shauno> penngwyn means white head, but it's not slowed the UK down
[09:27] <redtape-renegade> shauno, Morning .. You going here at all ?? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1484095571/the-nerdtacular-2013-fan-event
[09:34] <redtape-renegade> shauno, S. Pats icon is on the www.96fm.ie .. Any thing happening in your area this weekend ?
[09:40] <kvarley> Recommended email hosts?
[09:41] <ali1234> mailinator
[09:44] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, mailchimp.
[09:48] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, ^ https://twitter.com/MailChimp ^
[09:59] <redtape-renegade> FFoxy available now in Irish ,,, :: : http://t.co/pQm07dVKde
[10:00] <redtape-renegade> ^ ** :: bit.ly/RFo8Wy
[10:00] <redtape-renegade> ** www.bit.ly/RFo8Wy
[10:10] <popey> morning
[10:11] <redtape-renegade> Ever been to Gibralta popey ? .. saw this is registered there :: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/flirt-planet-the-next-level?i=mabl
[10:12] <popey> nope
[10:12] <redtape-renegade> I got it off here BTW :; http://blog.indiegogo.com/2013/03/team-indiegogos-campaign-roundup-31513.html
[10:13] <redtape-renegade> popey, Am I doing it, again ?
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: this is not #linkdump :P
[10:15]  * redtape-renegade kills himself with Salt.
[10:17] <popey> thats a weird campaign
[10:18] <popey> they claim they have the game working but want collaboration
[10:18] <popey> but they don't say how you collaborate
[10:18] <popey> just that giving them money is somehow collaborating
[10:27] <jacobw> Morning
[10:28] <Guest81041> top of the morning ta ya
[10:31] <jacobw> The morning is top
[10:55] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:05] <jacobw> Yo brobostigon
[11:06] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> Old! :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjDSY8LczFw
[11:13] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: Oh dera
[13:00] <shauno> why does unicode in python always end up making me feel like a 5-year-old
[13:02] <redtape-renegade> try www.realpython.com . The book is free if you want it from me. Although the forum is middling quality.
[13:03] <directhex> shauno, because python is a language for 5 year olds?
[13:03]  * directhex flees
[13:04] <shauno> I keep trying, and I keep ending up back with php, which is even more painful to admit
[13:05] <redtape-renegade> shauno, Did you try the webLink
[13:06] <redtape-renegade> shauno,          ^ ??
[13:06] <shauno> no, because it's easier to just rewrite it in a language that has strings, than to read a book about it :/
[13:07] <redtape-renegade> Well, why the heck are you asking, when you don't follow my advice ??
[13:07]  * redtape-renegade Grumbles.
[13:10] <kvarley> Anybody know what kernel version ipv6 support got introduced as mainstream?
[13:13] <shauno> it's not exact, but a ballpark from tldp; Note: you shouldn't anymore use kernel series 2.2.x, because it's not IPv6-up-to-date anymore. Also the IPv6 support in series 2.4.x is no longer improved according to definitions in latest RFCs. It's recommend to use series 2.6.x now.
[13:16] <kvarley> Thanks shauno
[13:21] <redtape-renegade> Apparently, were all supposed to be on 3.8.x now :::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Timeline
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> good :)
[13:38] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, What be good ?
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> that we're supposed to use a modern kernel
[13:45] <redtape-renegade> :) Oh for a second, I thought you were typing about the Sky's pope former address'  ::: http://goo.gl/ca5nt
[13:46] <kvarley> Getting awful network performance on LM
[13:48] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, I would use kernel 2.5.75 BTW
[13:50] <kvarley> redtape-renegade: Doesn't seem to be ipv6 at all, I have disabled it and am still getting awful performance
[13:52] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, You don have pdns set up don't you ? ::: http://askubuntu.com/questions/59366/protecting-against-infinitely-slow-dns-servers/59406#59406
[13:52] <redtape-renegade> **pdnsd
[13:54] <kvarley> On transfers tho the speed is slow, so that means it's not DNS  right?
[14:06] <kvarley> Strange, there are problems for the RTL8111/8168B chipset on Linux Mint but not Ubuntu. How does that work?
[14:06]  * redtape-renegade hoover's.
[14:08] <kvarley> How can I stop Linux from loading the incorrect module for my ethernet chipset?
[14:08] <kvarley> It loads r8169 not r8168
[14:14] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, Well my tech says the kernel that I said earlier works fine on his server.. that's all I got for you today, apologies.  QUESTION::: Has the match with England started yet ?
[14:19] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, dunno if you got that: S0oo .. I'll repost it.
[14:19] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, Well my tech guy says the kernel that I said earlier works fine on his server.. that's all I got for you today, apologies.  QUESTION::: Has the match with England started yet ?
[14:20] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, Your connection is all over the place BTWay.
[14:25] <kvarley> redtape-renegade: I know it's looking like an actual connection issue to me now
[14:27] <redtape-renegade> WELL  if you don't use BIND9 which is in the software centre .. sudo apt-get install bind9  I can't help you.
[14:30] <redtape-renegade> CALAV3RA, , Your connection is all over the place BTWay. Too.
[14:31]  * redtape-renegade takes photo's for the Williams Doc.ods
[14:32] <redtape-renegade> I looking for new digs.
[14:34] <redtape-renegade> I've tried to call the removal men on T:07624 240024 but they just take mesages | no removals = no moulin rouge.
[14:52] <redtape-renegade> Italy 3 : Ireland 3 .. Come on /Italians/
[14:54] <redtape-renegade> Italy 6 : Ireland 3 .. there you go !!
[15:06] <redtape-renegade> BAD news if you have a cypuot bank a/c :: European officials said people owning more money will lose 9.9 percent. Cypriot bank officials said that depositors can access all their money except the amount set by the levy.  :: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/16/3289677/cypriots-rue-bailout-deals-bank.html#storylink=cpy  ::::http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/16/3289677/cypriots-rue-bailout-deals-bank.html    , soz for caps.
[15:07] <redtape-renegade> Web Link :: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/16/3289677/cypriots-rue-bailout-deals-bank.html
[16:05] <kvarley> Is it bad if I just get an SSL certificate for domain.com and just redirect www.domain.com to domain.com ?
[16:11] <dwatkins> kvarley: the certificate will either be for a specific hostname or a wildcard, *.domain.com
[16:14] <kvarley> But is it bad to redirect www to a non-www domain just to give the user SSL
[16:15] <dwatkins> gmail does a redirect a bit like that
[16:20] <kvarley> Is it possible to have multiple vhosts with SSL enabled? I'm getting redirected to the incorrect vhost currently
[16:29] <kvarley> Ah, it's 1 IP per SSL vhost
[16:51] <popey> pip pip
[16:53] <brobostigon> lets see who wins, relax with beer, and watch rugby,
[16:55] <redtape-renegade> Nice tweet about that indiegogo campaign popey : Quite odd.
[16:56] <popey> very
[16:56] <redtape-renegade> Didn't see the video .. did it have a giraffe and bromance in it ?
[16:57] <popey> hah
[16:59] <redtape-renegade> Better than the gayball on at 5pm !
[17:07]  * redtape-renegade wonders over to /.     :::            http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/03/16/144247/why-trolls-win-with-toxic-comments?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
[18:58] <redtape-renegade> haha .. Italy 22 | Ireland 15 .. told you :p
[19:02] <redtape-renegade> Did you all watch Red Nose Day ??    ....  http://twitpic.com/catgiv
[19:19] <brian_> Hey guys. I've been unable to set up rules which allow me to access the internet using my VPN and only my VPN.
[19:19] <brian_> Could anyone help me?
[19:20] <brian_> I have GUFW and I've set a rule which enables me to connect to the VPN (To [IP] [Port]/udp, Allow Out, From Anywhere)
[19:21] <brian_> Then I followed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1496473
[19:21] <brian_> Allow In Both To (Your IP, that you collected from whatismyip.com
[19:21] <brian_> Allow Out Both From (The same IP again)
[19:22] <brian_> I'm still completely unable to connect to websites when I reject outgoing connections by default.
[19:22] <brian_> I'm using Ubuntu 12.10
[19:39] <DJones> Heh, Spot the Welshman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFgDDFpCYAAb-Mg.jpg:large
[19:46] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:46] <AlanBell> do I want a wii u?
[19:59] <penguin42> AlanBell: No
[20:06] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell, You keep asking that: only the handset :S
[20:09] <AlanBell> kids were asking again
[20:10] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell> do I want a wii u? NO You were asking !  . AGAIN
[20:10] <AlanBell> :)
[20:11] <AlanBell> it got cheaper recently
[20:13] <redtape-renegade> Wee all know Nintendo is the Marijana of Vita ! What's next the Easter Bunny ?  :O
[20:14] <redtape-renegade> http://www.duracelldirect.co.uk/pno/bth0001a.html
[20:16] <SuperEngineer>  Topic for #ubuntu-uk-meeting is: Next Meeting 16th Feb 20:00 UK Time... lol
[20:16] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: It might be right
[20:16] <redtape-renegade> What channel is it on ?
[20:17] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: but you ain't there either
[20:18] <SuperEngineer> i travelled back in time especially to check ;)
[20:20] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Hmm that ability could be very useful
[20:20] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Please pass on my apologies
[20:54]  * AlanBell fixes
[20:54] <AlanBell> kinda
[20:54] <AlanBell> I do have to sort out the Bletchley park thing, that would be cool
[20:58] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: ;)
[20:59]  * penguin42 went a couple of years ago - definitely worth it (conveniently near a train station)
[21:01] <penguin42> https://plus.google.com/photos/118251468822440261663/albums/5492401778142755041   are my pictures from it
[21:09]  * redtape-renegade eats his free KFChicken.. Scrumptuous !
[21:51] <redtape-renegade> I'm just using Xubuntu as a client , but I dont know how to set preferences for changing the default Browser to Chromium .. Do you know how to do this ?
[22:17] <redtape-renegade> seen shauno?
[22:17] <redtape-renegade> !seen shauno?


[00:33] <h00k> this is also true
[00:33] <h00k> provided they're done correctly.
[00:33] <h00k> my statement regarding meetings has nothing to do with the loco ;)
[00:34] <h00k> mostly my professional hours of the day.
[00:37] <h00k> Let me rephrase. unproductive meetings are useless.
[14:40] <Cheesehead> For me, it's a spiritual thing. I honestly belive that there is no such thing as a meeting. They're mythical, like unicorns.
[14:40] <Cheesehead> So "I don't believe in meetings" isn't managmenent technique. It's my firm stand against the univers.
[14:41] <Cheesehead> universe.
[17:12] <Snyperx|work> Hello all.
[19:23] <h00k> Hi
[23:00] <h00k> hello


[02:33] <enigma9o7> Does the current next iso include gnome 45?
[02:44] <Eickmeyer> yes
[15:08] <enigma9o7> I'm not having much luck getting it installed.  If I check the 3rd party box, it removes the continue box, never for it to return.  If I update and restart the installer (which I'm prompted to do), then even if I click nothing on that screen, clicking next doesn't work.
[15:09] <enigma9o7> It just spins the cursor a minute, then nothing.  I can click next again and it spins and then stops again.
[15:09] <enigma9o7> The only time I've been able to get past that screen was when I didn't update from git and didn't change anything, but then it just froze while copying files (left it all night).
[15:10] <enigma9o7> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-650c5cdff377b5.57070898.png is where I get stuck
[15:11] <enigma9o7> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-650c5d045b88f2.75858951.png is what happens if I click "allow 3rd party" (note the next button is gone)
[15:59] <enigma9o7> I've tried to get it started copying again another dozen times, can't get past the screen entering a username/password without it crashing (just closes itself while typing name or password).


[17:05] <apw> uebera||: my understanding is it does but i will get that confirmed and the data sheet clarified if necessary
[19:06] <uebera||> apw: Thanks! Could you also please clarify whether it is feasible for 16.04.x users to install a 18.04 GA kernel and enjoy both the benefits of a newer kernel and Livepatch? (This would allow us -- and IMHO a larger user group -- to have the same setup on both older/newer desktops/servers.)