[14:11] <ginggs> wow, nvidia-cuda-toolkit built first time on amd64 and arm64, and only needed one retry on ppc64el \o/


[01:14] <dunpeal> Is XFCE still based on GTK+ 1?
[01:15] <dunpeal> err, GTK+ 2
[01:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Yep
[01:18] <SonikkuAmerica> dunpeal: 4.12 has GTK+ 3 support, and eventually it's all going to 3
[01:18] <dunpeal> What are the migration plans?  GTK+ 2 is being deprecated
[01:18] <SonikkuAmerica> dunpeal: See above
[01:20] <dunpeal> SonikkuAmerica: thanks. any idea why XFCE chose to go with GTK+ 3 instead of porting to Qt like LXDE did?
[01:22] <SonikkuAmerica> dunpeal: LXDE is rather new and prone to toolkit change. XFCE has been GTK+-based since 1999, and has the experience and know-how to continue with it. Their transition will be a slow but sure one. As always, stability and performance are XFCE's main thing.
[01:22] <SonikkuAmerica> (As well as being lightweight)
[01:22] <dunpeal> SonikkuAmerica: *nod*, thanks.
[01:22] <SonikkuAmerica> yw
[03:13] <loganvwhite> I've been playing around in syclient and various configuration files for about four hours now and it's starting to drive me mad.
[03:13] <loganvwhite> can anyone help me get palm detection working semi-well?
[03:15] <loganvwhite> The problem is that using the z variable to determine area on touchpad fails, because my fingers and palm appear to often be in the same range (around 30 - 80)
[03:16] <loganvwhite> so i'm looking for more esoteric solutions online, but as far as I can tell this is mostly an unsolved problem.
[03:18] <loganvwhite> basically what I'd like to do ideally is make it so the whole touchpad can be used for moving the cursor, but all input which STARTS around the left or right edge is ignored. so if I can somehow do some conditional scripting somewhere to modify that behaviour...
[03:20] <cgtdk> loganvwhite: If you can't get any help here, try #ubuntu. There are far more people there.
[03:21] <loganvwhite> yeah, this seems pretty off topic in all the irc channels I've seen as well.
[03:22] <loganvwhite> but I might try there
[03:22] <cgtdk> ##linux perhaps
[04:32] <newie> that's a lot of people
[04:32] <newie> what package do i install to get 'snownews'
[04:36] <newie> ah hem
[04:39] <newie> I'm trying to get Snownews to work on Xubuntu.  'sudo apt-get install snownews' doesn't work
[04:39] <holstein> newie: what is that?
[04:39] <holstein> !info snownews
[04:39] <holstein> newie: you wont be able to install a package that is not in the repo
[04:42] <newie> what do you guys do for RSS?
[04:42] <holstein> i think snownews it old
[04:42] <holstein> is old*
[04:42] <newie> it is
[04:42] <holstein> newie: i dont do rss.. but let me get a link for you that might help you find something current
[04:42] <newie> ok
[04:42] <holstein> newie: http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/39707/reader-replacements-for-linux-las-s27e07/
[04:43] <holstein> this is probably what you are looking for http://www.webupd8.org/2013/05/tiny-tiny-rss-ubuntu-ppa-google-reader.html
[04:48] <newie> thanks guys
[04:50] <holstein> guys?
[07:01] <ncdmr> anyone seen this error before?  http://pastebin.com/50PLH7ff
[07:02] <ncdmr> getting that when trying to add some ppa's
[10:40] <dpschat> noob question - will xubuntu keep using xserver in future versions
[10:41] <well_laid_lawn> dpschat:  until wayland becomes default yep
[10:42] <well_laid_lawn> who knows how far off that is
[10:43] <dpschat> do we fear wayland ? :-)
[10:43] <bekks> wayne :P
[10:44] <well_laid_lawn> wayland should be great compared to X
[10:46] <dpschat> what will it bring xubuntu - ive heard performance on ubuntu is currently below x. No problem with new stuff..just like xubuntu the way it is
[10:47] <well_laid_lawn> well wayland is still pretty new so you have to be patient and let it grow
[10:47] <well_laid_lawn> X has only been around for about thirty years or so
[10:47] <well_laid_lawn> to get where it is now
[10:47]  * cfhowlett thinks all this can be avoided by sticking with LTS versions
[10:49] <dpschat> LTS seems smart next time around  - atleast on my "production" setup
[10:57] <Guest5449> Is Xubuntu 12.04 use gtk2 or gtk3?
[10:58] <well_laid_lawn> it's the applications that use gtk2/3 not the distro
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> some apps use gtk2 others use gtk3
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> depends on what you install
[10:59] <Guest5449> but what about de?
[11:00] <Guest5449> does do use some of gtk?
[11:00] <Guest5449> de*
[11:02] <cowbacon> what's wayland? ive heard the word before but never an explanation
[11:03] <Guest5449> cowbacon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server_protocol)
[11:03] <well_laid_lawn> Xfce 4.10 requires Gtk+ 2.20 and Glib 2.24 * Xfce 4.8 requires Gtk+ 2.14 and Glib 2.20 * Xfce 4.6 requires Gtk+ 2.10 and Glib 2.12
[11:04] <well_laid_lawn> so it's gtk2
[11:04] <cowbacon> Guest5449: thanks
[11:04] <well_laid_lawn> http://docs.xfce.org/start?do=search&id=gtk
[11:14] <xubuntu203> Hi there, I have a maybe silly question. Is it possible to change the splash screen from xubuntu?
[11:14] <well_laid_lawn> yes
[11:15] <xubuntu203> How can I do it?
[11:16] <xubuntu203> I have looked on google but, simehow I can not find a good answer
[11:16] <xubuntu203> maybe i am searching wrong, thatś why I ask here
[11:17] <well_laid_lawn> https://www.google.com.au/search?q=xubuntu+change+splash+screen&btnG=Search&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a
[11:17] <well_laid_lawn> lots of slightly old results there
[12:14] <blinky_> Hi guys could someone help me with my mouse on my main system.  Running 13.04 and the usb mouse is intermittent.  When I open a screen I can use that screen my the mouse wont control anything else
[12:15] <bekks> blinky_: What do you mean by "when I open a screen"?
[12:15] <blinky_> sorry a program
[12:15] <blinky_> I have terminal open at the moment and I cant even open the app menu in the top left
[12:16] <blinky_> I know the mouse is ok as it works find in windows
[12:17] <blinky_> Any ideas?
[12:20] <Sysi> blinky_: what model is your mouse? I recently heard about similar problem with certain logitech model, mx 518 or something
[12:21] <blinky_> cyborg R.A.T 7
[15:37] <jscott> anybody know much about thunderbird?
[15:42] <holstein> jscott: i think its in freeze, officially.. developmentally
[15:43] <jscott> ok i just had to reinstall and now it says every message can't be displayed because it is in html format
[15:44] <holstein> jscott: this has nothing to do with your machine
[15:44] <jscott> ok wanted to make sure cause i tried all the other settings
[15:44] <jscott> thank you
[15:45] <holstein> oops.. that was for another channel ;)
[15:45] <holstein> i didnt mean for that to come off like that here..
[19:31] <Snt> if anybody alive and have a clue, how to fix the problem, please help :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2160348&p=12720345
[19:33] <holstein> Snt: please ask the question
[19:34] <Snt> holstein, the question is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2160348&p=12720345
[19:34] <Snt> i just did not want to copypast too many text
[19:40] <holstein> Snt: i dont know what functionalily you want.. i would try and explain it here, without any comparison.. not "set it up like windows".. assume a volunteer here doesnt use windows, and try and be specific
[19:40] <Snt> "If you press, for example, shift+6 or shift+4 combination in notepad, you can mark text."
[19:40] <Snt> i'd like to get that workign
[19:40] <Snt> i'd like to get that working
[19:41] <bazhang> you want an ide?
[19:41] <holstein> Snt: mark text? highlight it? mark it how? in what way?
[19:43] <Snt> i mean try to open any gui text redactor, enter some text, and then press shift- left arrow
[19:44] <Snt> in old XT times you could do the same by pressing shift - numpad 4
[19:45]  * w30 yearns for Edlin
[19:50] <w30> Snt: you don't mean put it in a clipboard?
[19:50] <Snt> no
[19:50] <Snt> i meant just select text
[19:51] <w30> Snt and do what with it?
[19:51] <Snt> that's all
[19:51] <holstein> control alt escape in screen might work for you.. in nano or whatever
[19:52] <Snt> i want to select some text by pressing shift-numpad4 / shift-numpad6, just like i can select text (in mousepad, for example) by pressing shift-left arrow or shift- right arrow
[19:52] <w30> Snt evidently you want something to happen? What? Change color of text?
[19:53] <Snt> do you have any gui text editor right now?
[19:53] <Snt> like gnomepad/mousepad?
[19:53] <holstein> Snt: im in gedit, and holding shift with the arrow keys selects text
[19:53] <Snt> perfect.
[19:53] <holstein> Snt: gedit is a GUI text editor
[19:54] <Snt> i want to select text exactly in the same way by pressing shift-keypad4 / shift-keypad6
[19:54] <Snt> that's all :)
[19:54] <holstein> Snt: i hold shift and use the arrow keys..
[19:55] <Snt> i know. it works.
[19:56] <Snt> i want to do the same with keypad arrows
[19:56] <holstein> Snt: the keypad is selectable on a hardare level, typically.. like caps lock
[21:09] <xubuntu784> hi
[21:10] <xubuntu784> i need help
[21:11] <xubuntu784> i try to install a nvidia driver
[21:12] <bekks> xubuntu784: And...?
[21:44] <Programmer_> my preferred web browser isnt saving as chrome
[22:04] <Magnussss> Hi, I  have a continuing problem with one of my computers. A kernel error gives me a "system failure, panic occured, shutting down the system". This happens on just a particular kernel. Could someone tell me if there is any safe kernels to use? Often when I upgrade the system it disappears, no problem at all, but when it is recently installed I always have this issue.


[00:17] <ubptgbot> anonymous_kodachi was added by: anonymous_kodachi
 Hello everyone
 I guess I’m gonna have to buy a device of the approved list what are y’all think about the nexus 6P
 Or the Nexus 5,  I’m sad the Nexus 5x is not on the list, any advice would be greatly appreciated. I’d like to keep the used cost of a device under $100
 @geekyneo [Hi. Were you able to install UT on OnePlus 3/3T ? I faced the same issue for mor …], try all the cache clearing and format options in recovery
 also join the install room, we have people there to help debug/walk through the process: https://t.me/WelcomePlus
[01:56] <ubptgbot> Rafid1841 was added by: Rafid1841
 @Tech_Mahn [I guess I’m gonna have to buy a device of the approved list what are y’all think …], Its more the supported list than approved list, the nexus 5x for example is notoriously hard to port, that why hasn't made on that list so far … Nexus 5 is one of the most popular while the 6p was just recently added to the list
 @mateosalta [try all the cache clearing and format options in recovery], I did try all the options in the recovery... … I'll join the install group...👍🙏😊
 @Fuseteam hi, this is John Harvey, I'm on my phone now, I understand what your saying, so is the Nexus 6p a good device to choose? Nexus 5 is such a little phone.
 @anonymous_kodachi [@Fuseteam hi, this is John Harvey, I'm on my phone now, I understand what your s …], Best choise in my opinion is OnePlus 3 or 3T.
 Finally mmade the switch to UBPorts, my N5 just came in the mail.
 @liamolua [Finally mmade the switch to UBPorts, my N5 just came in the mail.], 🚀
[06:13] <ubptgbot> Oskr 🇲🇽 was added by: Oskr 🇲🇽
 OnePlus, okay
 @Tech_Mahn [I guess I’m gonna have to buy a device of the approved list what are y’all think …], As I ported the Nexus 6P be aware that a few things are not working right now, its mostly hotspot, speakerphone, and camera being a bit wonky. Also fingerprint reader is not supported by UT for 7.1 based devices right now.
 I’ve decided I’m going to buy a OnePlus 3T
 This is Willard Spivens
 This is my iPhone
 @Flohack [As I ported the Nexus 6P be aware that a few things are not working right now, i …], Good to hear N6P is still under dev. :)
 @liamolua [Good to hear N6P is still under dev. :)], Yeah it went a real long but good way. The only things not working, I just looked now, are: … * Camera: Video … * Cellular: Change audio routings (Speakerphone) … * GPU: Video acceleration … * Network: Hotspot … * USB: ADB access
 @Tech_Mahn [I’ve decided I’m going to buy a OnePlus 3T], Good choice:)
 @Flohack [Yeah it went a real long but good way. The only things not working, I just looke …], Thats awesome! Any chance on getting those working or they completely borked?
 @Flohack [Yeah it went a real long but good way. The only things not working, I just looke …], Thank you
 @liamolua [Thats awesome! Any chance on getting those working or they completely borked?], Well Hotspot is a general problem on the Halium ports now, but I assume we get it going. The thing with the speakerphone is strange, but also should be solveable. Whats with GPU decoding acceleration idk ^^
 Sounds possitive.   Great device, would be awesome for it to be 100%.
 Whats everyone's goto face book client? So many on here, lol
 @liamolua [Whats everyone's goto face book client? So many on here, lol], Sailorbook ^^
 @Flohack [Sailorbook ^^], Ill give it a try, cheers :)
 @Tech_Mahn [Or the Nexus 5,  I’m sad the Nexus 5x is not on the list, any advice would be gr …], 5x had bootloop issues afaik
 @liamolua [Whats everyone's goto face book client? So many on here, lol], My favorite client is DeleteFace:)
 Gnight guys
 @demone011 Ill give it a go if Sailorbook doesn't work out. :) … @flohack does sailorbook have notifications (mostly for messages). Id assume so but the last client didn't seem to.
 @demone011 [My favorite client is DeleteFace:)], Hang on, was that a clever joke, lmao
 @liamolua [@demone011 Ill give it a go if Sailorbook doesn't work out. :) … @flohack does sa …], Hmm you wont get anything if the App is not focused, no
 But thats a general problem of UT
 Bugger
 We have to re-think that architecture, its a major roadblock for many, yes.
 Aaah, why is that? Whats causing UT not having push messages?
 It has push, but only via its own push protocol, and how you would explain Facebook to implement it for us ^^
 Ooooh, okay. Web browsers have notification control these days, couldn't the webpap just listen for face book notifications and then the webapp itself send the notification via ut push service or is that more complicated than that?
 @liamolua [Hang on, was that a clever joke, lmao], Hehe
 Yes web push could be done, but Apps are suspended in the background. So again that wont work all the time
 Is there big need for notifications? It is really annoying when phone make sound all the time.
 Yeah, I did find a video that suggested using ut tweak tool to disable suspention on chosen apps. … Shame on this but hopefully we can fjnd a way to make this simpiler (or UT just gets adopted enough by major companies). … @demone011 yeah I do need notifications (only really on my MSG apps). Just sometjing I'm gonna have to miss out on f
[07:35] <ubptgbot> or a little bit.
 [Edit] Yeah, I did find a video that suggested using ut tweak tool to disable suspention on chosen apps. … Shame on this but hopefully we can fjnd a way to make this simpiler (or UT just gets adopted enough by major companies). … @demone011 yeah I do need notifications (only really on my MSG apps). Just sometjing I'm gonna have to miss o
[07:35] <ubptgbot> ut on for now.
 Also when you say focused, @flohack do you mean the current apps displaying on the monitor or do you mean apps open in task manager?
 @liamolua [Also when you say focused, @flohack do you mean the current apps displaying on t …], Unfortunately means to be in the foreground and phone unlocked. All other states will suspend any APp, except it has a lifecycle exception as you described. But still, web push would need to be implemented somehow then
 @liamolua [Yeah, I did find a video that suggested using ut tweak tool to disable suspentio …], You will get used to it. It was hard for me to delete FB account, but now, 6 month later, I can't even understand why I hade it. SMS and call is all we need actually (even I complain about not existing sync on UT, but we don't need it actuall
[07:40] <ubptgbot> y).
[07:41] <ubptgbot> Margna28 was added by: Margna28
 Aaah true! This is a shame but hey, just a tiny issue which most likely will get fixed over time. As demone said, we'll all get use to it.
 So far my experience on UT has been great, although short haha
 @liamolua [So far my experience on UT has been great, although short haha], What device u use UT on?
 @demone011 [What device u use UT on?], Nexus 5, was going to get the 1+1 but was too expensive (at least over here in Australia) and I was also wanting to pre-order the Librem 5 anyways. … Did here that UT was being ported over to Librem 5 so that's exciting! 😄
 Wbu?
 @liamolua [Wbu?], N4 (had it since Canonical own project), N5 and OP3. Own two of each for parts:))
 @liamolua [Nexus 5, was going to get the 1+1 but was too expensive (at least over here in A …], I would like to get PinePhone one day.. It sounds like real "project phone" for thinkers (I is not me, I am end user)
 PinePhone looks super awesome but the hardware is a little low for daily use for my liking. Would be awesome to pick one up though. :)
 I'll never stop loving Nexus 5, but I got a 1+2 on the way. That was one of the best looking phones ever
 @liamolua [PinePhone looks super awesome but the hardware is a little low for daily use for …], I am writing to you on Nexus S with CyanogenMod. That is low hardware! But I works like a charm:) Same with N4. Old hardware, but UT works really good (android 8 too). Even better then on N5 I believe. So even I don't have Pine I by live it s
[08:11] <ubptgbot> hood work really nice, especially with a time as a work on it progress:)
 @wednesdayendless [I'll never stop loving Nexus 5, but I got a 1+2 on the way. That was one of the …], 1+ 2 or 1+ 3?
 OnePlus 2
 @wednesdayendless [OnePlus 2], It is good looking phone
 @demone011 [I am writing to you on Nexus S with CyanogenMod. That is low hardware! But I wor …], Thats awesome. Pinephone shiuld be heaps beafy for you then hahaha.
 @liamolua [Thats awesome. Pinephone shiuld be heaps beafy for you then hahaha.], I used to be skeptical like u, but I belive that UBports will do good work with it:)
 @liamolua [Thats awesome. Pinephone shiuld be heaps beafy for you then hahaha.], [Edit] I used to be skeptical like u, but I belive that UBports will do good work with it:) … How beefy phones need to be?
 My only gripe with even 2012-2014 era phones is the selfie cameras are usually deep fryers :p
 @wednesdayendless [My only gripe with even 2012-2014 era phones is the selfie cameras are usually d …], Delete social media (read Cal Newport and others on subject), and you will never again need selfie:)
 I know it's all poison, personal life is almost all FOSS - I keep up on social media just for work
 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/teracube-2e-next-evolution-of-sustainable-phones?create_edit=true#/ … do any have noticed this indiegogo campaign?
 so it's a fairphone-like with MTK?
 i'd rather get a fairphone
 ... who have a support system, source their metals ethically, etc, etc ...
 did they kernel provide source code for first iteration?
 @demone011 [I am writing to you on Nexus S with CyanogenMod. That is low hardware! But I wor …], Wew cyanogenmod? How far behind are you with security updates?
 @PM5544 [https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/teracube-2e-next-evolution-of-sustainable-pho …], That looks interesting, but the price seems a little low, will probably be pretty bad specs
 @joeth [That looks interesting, but the price seems a little low, will probably be prett …], Mediatek with powervr
 Basically a horrible turdsandwhich with extra maggots
 @jja2000 [Mediatek with powervr], Oof mediatek, I doubt it'll get more than 1 major OS upgrade
 @joeth [That looks interesting, but the price seems a little low, will probably be prett …], if this Phone is bad, then pinephone is sh*t
 @joeth [Oof mediatek, I doubt it'll get more than 1 major OS upgrade], And it'll never get Mainline Linux
 I guess the SOC will not be made of recycled materials 😂
 @PM5544 [if this Phone is bad, then pinephone is sh*t], One will outlast the other purely because of hardware choices
 as it uses the grand old allwinner a64, which fab is still 2 generation behind
 @jja2000 [One will outlast the other purely because of hardware choices], +1
 @PM5544 [as it uses the grand old allwinner a64, which fab is still 2 generation behind], Doesn't matter if it functions well
 I would've liked to see a die shrink though, I'll give you that
 But atm pine64 pay less than 5$ per a64 atm
 [Edit] But atm pine64 pays less than 5$ per a64 atm
 [Edit] But atm pine64 pays less than 5$ per a64
 I'm afraid that would increase
 @jja2000 [Doesn't matter if it functions well], true, at least pinephone is the only choice for native support on the market
 Librem 5 is a non-option sadly
 could've been much better
 @jja2000 [Doesn't matter if it functions well], [Edit] true, at least pinephone is the only choice for native support on the market currently, just a bit of mumbling to its desperate performance
 @jja2000 [But atm pine64 pays less than 5$ per a64], I still find that impressive
 @PM5544 [if this Phone is bad, then pinephone is sh*t], better sh*t than MTK!
 @gischpelino [better sh*t than MTK!], Yes
 @Tech_Mahn [I’ve decided I’m going to buy a OnePlus 3T], avoid the us A3000 model
[11:46] <ubptgbot> Alexi was added by: Alexi
 Hi everybody, I was trying the convergence functionality on the Nexus 5, do you have any idea which kind of adapter is necessary? I have one but it seems not to work. thanks
 @joeth [Wew cyanogenmod? How far behind are you with security updates?], It deppends. What is threats I am facing?
 @demone011 [It deppends. What is threats I am facing?], Pretty sure there are some major exploits out there for older androids
 Hello, what about UT updates? Is it based on all phones at the same time? How is it numbered, as in Ubuntu? For example, 20.04? When was the Nexus 5 last updated? … Thanks
 @Alexi [Hi everybody, I was trying the convergence functionality on the Nexus 5, do you …], you should get a slimport adapter NOT MHL. Also, get the HDMI one, I think there are VGA ones but that those don't work on Nexus
 @Petr [Hello, what about UT updates? Is it based on all phones at the same time? How is …], UT's base is Ubuntu but it does not follow the same cycle as the normal Ubuntu. It's usually an LTS release and actually UT is still on 16.04 but there are plans to move to 20.04. Updates are named as OTA-X.
 @Javacookies thank you very much for your kind reply, do you know which other phones support convergence as well?
 Thanks a lot! So are those updates based on all supported devices?
 @Alexi [@Javacookies thank you very much for your kind reply, do you know which other ph …], Well Convergence is a broad word like what we always say here but if you mean external display support then it would be Nexus 4,5 and 7 (2013) for wired solution. I think Meizu Pro 5 has working wireless display but that isn't ideal for intera
[12:22] <ubptgbot> ctive use case.
 @Petr [Thanks a lot! So are those updates based on all supported devices?], Yes, they are for all supported devices, even old (legacy devices)
 @Petr [Thanks a lot! So are those updates based on all supported devices?], Yes most supported devices gets the same OTA but at the moment, Pinephone and Pinetab have their own OTA which may or may not be in sync with normal OTAs in terms of features and bug fixes.
 @Javacookies [Yes most supported devices gets the same OTA but at the moment, Pinephone and Pi …], it tells me something about the bootloader
 @joeth [Pretty sure there are some major exploits out there for older androids], Only thing they can get from phone is my contact list.
[13:08] <ubptgbot> TEK64 was added by: TEK64
 @Javacookies Many thanks for your answer.
 Is ubuntu port stable or is there still a bug on redmi note 7 (lavender)?
 @joeth [Oof mediatek, I doubt it'll get more than 1 major OS upgrade], So far performance of Volla Phone with UT seems very good, minus a few bugs in things such as camera (e.g. no zoom) that are being worked on now, and there is no particular barrier to it receiving forward updates for UT.
 @TotalSonic [So far performance of Volla Phone with UT seems very good, minus a few bugs in t …], volla isn't mediatek is it?
 @joeth [volla isn't mediatek is it?], it is. MT6763
 @dohbee [it is. MT6763], oh, hmmm
 @joeth [volla isn't mediatek is it?], Yes, it has a Mediatek Helio P23, not a great chip relative to what are in the latest Android phones, but it performs decently with UT.
 (Voice, 0s) https://irc.ubports.com/kp9fKj0F.oga
 @TotalSonic [Yes, it has a Mediatek Helio P23, not a great chip relative to what are in the l …], When did UT ever get under UBports?
 Volla Phone is a rebranded Gigaset GS290 with some sleeker styling,  a larger 5000mAh battery, and OS support and development for a customized AOSP version, Sailfish OS, and Ubuntu Touch. Whether that is worth a little bit over the price of the Gigaset unit is up to the potential user - for myself the OS support warrants a premium I wa
[14:50] <ubptgbot> s happy to pay.
 @Petr [When did UT ever get under UBports?], April 2017, after Canonical dropped support and development of Unity, UT, and mobile devices.
 [Edit] Volla Phone is a rebranded Gigaset GS290 with some sleeker styling,  a larger 5000mAh battery, and OS support and development for a customized AOSP version, Sailfish OS, and Ubuntu Touch. Whether that is worth a little bit over the price of the Gigaset unit is up to the potential user - for myself the OS support warrants a premi
[14:52] <ubptgbot> um I was happy to pay in a pre-order.
 thanks
 Volla Phone's look makes me wonder if Ubuntu is running on the Moto G7? It is pretty universally ROM friendly
 do anyone uses meizu pro 5 and uses teleport freely?
 @PM5544 [do anyone uses meizu pro 5 and uses teleport freely?], Yes, typing this via Teleports on my Meizu Pro 5 (4gig 64gig TD-LTE version) running post OTA13 RC channel.
 @TotalSonic [Yes, typing this via Teleports on my Meizu Pro 5 (4gig 64gig TD-LTE version) run …], hmmm RC channel, idk why my intl 3GB 32 bit never works both RC and stable and other versions except the obsoleted non-teleport telegram
 @TotalSonic [Yes, typing this via Teleports on my Meizu Pro 5 (4gig 64gig TD-LTE version) run …], [Edit] hmmm RC channel, idk why my intl 3GB 32 bit never works both RC and stable and other versions except the obsoleted non-teleport telegram native app
 @TotalSonic [Yes, typing this via Teleports on my Meizu Pro 5 (4gig 64gig TD-LTE version) run …], [Edit] hmmm RC channel, idk why my intl 3GB 32 bit never works both RC and stable and other teleport versions except the obsoleted non-teleport telegram native app
 @PM5544 [hmmm RC channel, idk why my intl 3GB 32 bit never works both RC and stable and o …], Maybe use UT Tweak Tool to clear cache and config for Teleports, and then reinstall?
 can be logged in and channel/group list are worked, but can't see and type any content except noticing ppl typing
 actually I tried a few months ago but once updated both OS and app, the situation, I guess can try it one more time though(haven't cleaning cache after updated OS)
 @PM5544 [can be logged in and channel/group list are worked, but can't see and type any c …], My Teleports got borked once after trying a beta version, had to reinstall UT to get things working with it again, hope you don't have to do all that.
 @TotalSonic [My Teleports got borked once after trying a beta version, had to reinstall UT to …], are you use it via a lte network or as a wifi only device?
 @PM5544 [are you use it via a lte network or as a wifi only device?], Both. And just realized I am using a beta version for 0.9 (version 0.8.02...) available from the UT QA Telegram group
 if need to reinstall, that's a bunch of pain though :S
 @PM5544 [if need to reinstall, that's a bunch of pain though :S], Yeah, not fun - try using UTTT first
 in any case I'll clear every thing related to teleport first
 @TotalSonic [Yeah, not fun - try using UTTT first], UTTT?
 @PM5544 [UTTT?], UT Tweak Tool
 @TotalSonic [UT Tweak Tool], I have that already, tried using this to hard reset my teleport several times(not today)
 @PM5544 [I have that already, tried using this to hard reset my teleport several times(no …], Hmmm, maybe @Flohack can suggest some other ways to troubleshoot.
 @TotalSonic [Hmmm, maybe @Flohack can suggest some other ways to troubleshoot.], No sorry, I never had it myself, it must be a very rare case of Db corruption or so
 nooooope still the same fate … have all the channel/list and latest comments but once enter any one of it, can't showing up any kind of content and no able to send msg at all
 then I guess I need to reset the whole system, shall I?
 @PM5544 [then I guess I need to reset the whole system, shall I?], no, reflashing probably won't help unless you've changed something on the rootfs which might affect thigns
 @PM5544 [then I guess I need to reset the whole system, shall I?], [Edit] no, reflashing probably won't help unless you've changed something on the rootfs which might affect things
 @dohbee [no, reflashing probably won't help unless you've changed something on the rootfs …], have any method can change rootfs back to initial state?
 @PM5544 [have any method can change rootfs back to initial state?], have you changed it? you don't need to wipe all your data, just reinstall UT making sure you are NOT wiping the data; or you can just switch channels in system settings, and it will do a full flash
 @dohbee [have you changed it? you don't need to wipe all your data, just reinstall UT mak …], recently updated to ota13 stable, before that is rc channel(since Aug)
 does this action treated as a reinstall?
 @PM5544 [recently updated to ota13 stable, before that is rc channel(since Aug)], if you haven't made the rootfs rw and done things that might break it, then reflashing probably won't change anything
 it's maybe an issue with teleports
 does telegram webapp instead work ok?
 @PM5544 [nooooope still the same fate … have all the channel/list and latest comments but o …], We have reports that this is a temporary thing, and seems to be a problem of tdlib and Telegram servers playing not nicely together. Reinstall therefore wont help much. It also seems to go away by itself again. Anything in the log file?
 works fine but depends on the variations in openstore, some works fine but with a weird file selection screen and some can't even reached the login token inputing stage
 @Flohack [We have reports that this is a temporary thing, and seems to be a problem of tdl …], can I PM you?
 The log file?
 [Edit] works fine but depends on the variations in openstore, some works fine but with a weird file selection screen and some can't even reached the login token inputing stage(and other users also claimed that)
 PM'd
[16:56] <ubptgbot> o00o00o0o00o was added by: o00o00o0o00o
 Where I can get the last version?
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io links to the installer, which is how you can install UT on your device if supported, and choosing to install the `devel` channel will get you the "latest" version
 but otherwise i guess you will need to ask a more specific question
 @TotalSonic [Yes, it has a Mediatek Helio P23, not a great chip relative to what are in the l …], It's more about mediatek not publishing their sources, meaning it's a general trend that mediatek phones don't get more than 1 major software upgrade and no security patches
 @joeth [It's more about mediatek not publishing their sources, meaning it's a general tr …], excepted Nokia android phone which is MT6737 and get two major update...XD
 but it's buggy for new android OS.
 @joeth [It's more about mediatek not publishing their sources, meaning it's a general tr …], Apparently Volla has the cooperation of Gigaset, it seems to some extent allowing them greater insight than usual  towards driver blobs, and support life cycles for Ubuntu Touch on devices is much greater than what you get with Android. Anyway
[17:55] <ubptgbot> - you are correct that trying to unlock or port a Mediatek device is usually much more of a pain, and the chips are mediocre performers relative to other options on the market.
[17:55] <ubptgbot> Abella McQueen was added by: Abella McQueen
 @TotalSonic [Apparently Volla has the cooperation of Gigaset, it seems to some extent allowin …], Even so, Mediatek controls the IP, so if Volla/Gigaset want to be able to open source those blobs, Mediatek must agree and do so. Which, while ideal, I don't see happening, because of what/who Mediatek is
 @dohbee [Even so, Mediatek controls the IP, so if Volla/Gigaset want to be able to open s …], Yup. But currently the Volla Phone seems to be working well with a customized AOSP version of Android 9, as well as with good performance on UT (minus quirks with camera and bluetooth, which happen with many other UT devices as well)
 sure. android is different from UT in that case. but the people working on halium 9 stuff and volla phone in particular for UT are doing a great job
 @dohbee [sure. android is different from UT in that case. but the people working on haliu …], yeah, very impressed with the rate of progress so far - they have received initial batches of hardware already, and currently are still on target to ship to those who pre-ordered in November. And their efforts in porting for UT seem to have he
[18:03] <ubptgbot> lped forward porting UT to many other Halium 9 devices too.
 I pre-ordered a Volla Phone in expectation that my current daily driver of a Meizu Pro 5, which is compatible in the USA with only HSPA/3G/2G, will need replacement when the carriers eliminate 3G support soon.  Being able to dual boot the Volla will ensure if the lack of VoLTE support in UT ever becomes a real issue that I can continue
[18:06] <ubptgbot>  to use my device for calls easily.
 does 4G on vollaphone even work in the US?
 @dohbee [does 4G on vollaphone even work in the US?], The Volla Phone supports GSM / 2G: 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz, UMTS / 3G: 900 / 2100 MHz, FDD / LTE / 4G: 800 / 850 / 900 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600 MHz.
 @dohbee [Even so, Mediatek controls the IP, so if Volla/Gigaset want to be able to open s …], somehow wileyfox managed to publish device trees for their mediatek cyanogenOS devices back in the day, I miss wileyfox :(
 @joeth [somehow wileyfox managed to publish device trees for their mediatek cyanogenOS d …], anyway offtopic sorry
 @dohbee [does 4G on vollaphone even work in the US?], So - Volla should be able to use 850 (band 5) and 2100 (band 4) 4G LTE available from T-Mobile.
 @dohbee [Even so, Mediatek controls the IP, so if Volla/Gigaset want to be able to open s …], [Edit] somehow wileyfox managed to publish device trees and kernel sources for their mediatek cyanogenOS devices back in the day, I miss wileyfox :(
[18:38] <ubptgbot> Ernest was added by: Ernest
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/cGZHcTZE.png
 I tried installing Flatpak runtime on Volla Phone and surprisingly apps seem to work if started with correct enviromental variables to use Wayland
 oh wow
 does the volla phone use the wayland setup like the pinephone does then? i thought it was only pinephone that used that so far
 it does not, but Unity8 seems to listen for both Mir and Wayland connections after Mir update some time ago
 it will need mir-android-platform changes to be able to start EGL Wayland apps, but shared memory ones (like non-QML Qt and GTK+) seem to work
 @NotKit [it will need mir-android-platform changes to be able to start EGL Wayland apps, …], wow - cool stuff!  Thanks for your work on that.
 I didn't work on that, just experimenting for now, but SailfishOS has solution to run Flatpak'ed apps with hybris and that could be potentially adapted
 interesting
 yeah ive tried flatpak on sailfish, performance isnt fantastic but its an interesting idea
 how does flatpak compare to libertine? i know libertine has a few different container types it can use
 flatpak doesn't use container afaik
 and libertine really only works with chroot currently
 fair
 i dont know this for sure obviously, but could it potentially be the case that flatpaks are more space-efficient, as the runtimes and stuff can be re-used, wheresa a libertine chroot needs basically a full rootfs? but then again you can easily install however many apps you need in your single libertine chroot
 @dohbee [flatpak doesn't use container afaik], uses user namespaces, kind of container
 @PiecerEdd [i dont know this for sure obviously, but could it potentially be the case that f …], well libertine/xmir is built specifically around the use case of traditional linux distro packaging and x11 security problems, and needing/wanting to use legacy apps on a phone
 also, are there any CLI apps as flatpaks?
 @dohbee [well libertine/xmir is built specifically around the use case of traditional lin …], does libertine ALWAYS run software through x11/xmir though? or would it still run in a 'mir-native' way given the chance (dont both GTK and Qt both support Mir anyway, negating the need for xmir)?
 @PiecerEdd [does libertine ALWAYS run software through x11/xmir though? or would it still ru …], well, libertine itself doesn't run software. it's simply a container. when the app in libertine is launched from the shell, it is launched with xmir yes. when xwayland is working and everything is switched to wayland, it will use that instead
 newer GTK+ no longer has mirclient backend as i understand
 makes sense
 in the future we may be able to support flatpaks in the host without a container, in which case one could theoretically run flatpaks on wayland without x11 stuff
 yeahh
 all good stuff, the more the merrier i reckon 😆
 @dohbee [in the future we may be able to support flatpaks in the host without a container …], why theoretically though if it runs already
 except for support part of course
 well, there are issues of course, like EGL and maliit for virtual keyboard
 @NotKit [why theoretically though if it runs already], theoretically because in practice it doesn't currently just work. we need to solve all the integration issues, and everything else blocking us from getting to that point
 things like making sure apps get permissions popups correctly, those show up in system settings permissions settings, etc…
 that is probably bonus things to have
 i wonder what happened with that person who said they were going to try to work on a v4l compat layer for video on hybris
 was that long ago?
 @NotKit [that is probably bonus things to have], perhaps. i guess if you set up flatpak inside a libertine container and install stuff, it should just work under xmir on most devices
 @NotKit [was that long ago?], it's been some months at least
 @dohbee [perhaps. i guess if you set up flatpak inside a libertine container and install …], inside Libertine is a bad idea, but installing it natively works
 @NotKit [inside Libertine is a bad idea, but installing it natively works], bad idea why?
 container inside in container, and Libertine uses fakeroot
 [Edit] container inside a container, and Libertine uses fakeroot
 There was https://forums.ubports.com/topic/4130/status-of-videochat-in-ut/10 re: v4l stuff, and i think someone in telegram said they would try to do it.
 somehow making video chat work for webapps would be a gamechanger... pretty much every such service uses a webapp these days
 i know its not ubports' fault that they dont currently work, just 'the dream' talking 😆
 yeah, a fake v4l device that just translated v4l stuff over to libcamera/hybris stuff would be great
 🎉 awesome
 um, i have been wondering aswell hearing from people - does the newest rootfs have UI broken? like lightdm or compositor perhaps?
 @rixchy [um, i have been wondering aswell hearing from people - does the newest rootfs ha …], no?
 oh, alright.
 at least, i presume if devel broke there'd be plenty of shouting about it in here :P
 To all Axolotl (the Signal unofficial client for UT) users, we're sorry, the last 0.8.8 release brings a regression: Axolotl crashes when receiving a vocal message. You won't see any error when reopening Axolotl, you won't even know which contact sent you the message, so be careful, you can miss information for your friends. A fix is cu
[21:42] <ubptgbot> rrently on the way and we will release an hotfix release tomorrow. Thank you for your understanding.
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/6Rpz0WYN.webp
 (that's supposed to be an axolotl)
 Fwd from rixchy: wtf is this `< -warning- > evdev-input: Attempted to remove unmanaged fd 81`
 the coolest dudest axolotl going
 @flaburgan [To all Axolotl (the Signal unofficial client for UT) users, we're sorry, the las …], Cheers for the update 😋


[19:41] <blr> morning
[22:14] <wgrant> Morning.
[22:17] <blr> hey wgrant, how was your weekend?
[22:18] <wgrant> Pretty good, you?
[22:19] <blr> far too busy!
[22:25] <blr> wgrant: mojo run this morning https://pastebin.canonical.com/141563/
[22:26] <wgrant> blr: That'll be the dodgy python SRU from last week.
[22:26] <wgrant> blr: Remove that container and LXC's cache, and then try again.
[22:26] <wgrant> Python 3.4.3 was SRUed to trusty then backed out.
[22:26] <blr> ah, I refreshed the container this morning, but didn't dump the cache
[22:29] <wgrant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+bug/1500768
[22:29] <mup> Bug #1500768: python3.4.3 SRU break requests <regression-update> <trusty> <python3.4 (Ubuntu):Invalid> <python3.4 (Ubuntu Trusty):Triaged by doko> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500768>
[22:32] <blr> wgrant: thanks
[23:24] <wgrant> blr: Mojo happy again?
[23:47] <blr> wgrant: appears to be yep, thanks.


[00:22] <keithzg> Arghh raring's broken time handling is really getting me down.
[00:24] <keithzg> My actual time, the time it displays in the clock widget and the time KRunner claims it currently is in my timezone are all different.
[01:27] <samskiter> hello. plasma desktop seems to be leaking pixmaps. my Xorg process grows in memory usage over days and the cuprit seems to be plasma-desktop
[01:32] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: What version?
[01:33] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: 0.4
[01:33] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: Do you mean 10.04?
[01:33] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: (I was talking about the Kubuntu version, to be clear)
[01:34] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: ah right
[01:34] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: im on 13.04
[01:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh OK.
[01:35] <samskiter> plasma-desktop is version 0.4
[01:35] <SonikkuAmerica> I figured.
[01:35] <samskiter> cool
[01:35] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: I would first suggest getting Ubuntu Tweak and clearing the cache via the Janitor
[01:36] <ashes> what happens to lts kubuntu after its done in 2014?
[01:36] <ashes> nothing will get updates?
[01:36] <SonikkuAmerica> ashes: What, 12.04?
[01:36] <ashes> the branch freezes
[01:36] <ashes> SonikkuAmerica: yes
[01:36] <SonikkuAmerica> !12.04
[01:36] <SonikkuAmerica> ashes: It didn't say that before... it'll be supported until April 2017.
[01:37] <ashes> oh. i thought it was next year
[01:37] <ashes> sorry
[01:37] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: could you explain the process of clearing the cache in more detail please?
[01:37] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: What Ubuntu Tweak's GUI will do is help free space on your computer by ditching the APT cache and most popular program caches.
[01:38] <SonikkuAmerica> ashes: No biggie. Kubuntu's LTS plan is the same as Ubuntu's (Unity's).
[01:38] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: okkk, but it wont be able to clear out all this memory that's being taken up by the Xorg process?
[01:39] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: If it's taking up too much CPU... that's another story.
[01:39] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: its not. its taking up too much memory
[01:39] <SonikkuAmerica> RAM?
[01:39] <samskiter> it increases over 3/4 days
[01:39] <samskiter> yes ram
[01:39] <samskiter> its a memory leak
[01:40] <SonikkuAmerica> I'd file a bug report in plasma-desktop.
[01:40] <SonikkuAmerica> !bug
[01:40] <SonikkuAmerica> s/in/against*
[01:40] <samskiter> so you dont recommend this ubuntu-tweak thing?
[01:41] <samskiter> is there not more information i can extract to narrow the bug down?
[01:41] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: Not for this.
[01:41] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: (Answer to Q1)
[01:41] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: For Q2, you said it was leaking pixmaps?
[01:42] <samskiter> as far as other people in other IRC channels say yes
[01:42] <samskiter> (personally, i dont know what a pixmap is, I just wanted to try and narrow the prblem to the point i can submit a useful bug report)
[01:43] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: Install Valgrind and use it to find where plasma-desktop is leaking then.
[01:43] <SonikkuAmerica> [ sudo apt-get install valgrind ; valgrind --tool=memcheck --leak-check=full plasma-desktop ]
[01:44] <samskiter> OK. Ill have a go, but i've heard valgrind will slow my computer to a crawl
[01:45] <SonikkuAmerica> That's because Valgrind sandboxes whatever is running inside it.
[01:45] <samskiter> yea, so i heard. also, thats not the correct way of starting plasma-desktop is it?
[01:45] <samskiter> and presumably i need to kill it before i run valgrind
[01:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Probably.
[01:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Which means switching to a tty
[01:48] <samskiter> right then. running valgrind now
[01:49] <samskiter> where does valgrind leave it's results?
[01:54] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: Good question. If you don't see anything, check /var/log/ for a directory or file that says "valgrind"?
[01:59] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: i think it just outputs staight into the temrinal
[01:59] <samskiter> anyway, heres a load of what it output
[01:59] <samskiter> http://pastebin.com/s71DanwU
[01:59] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[02:00] <samskiter> before it crashed. there is a summary at the bottom
[02:00] <samskiter> im not sure i got enough running time really....  but maybe there is something useful in there
[02:02] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: Do you have an analog clock with a second hand running as a widget anywhere?
[02:02] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: nope. i dont use widgets
[02:02] <SonikkuAmerica> OK.
[02:03] <samskiter> there's a reason they didnt take off on windows...
[02:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Are you using the proprietary NVIDIA driver?
[02:03] <SonikkuAmerica> (lol)
[02:03] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: im using bumblebee
[02:03] <SonikkuAmerica> An Optimus...
[02:04] <SonikkuAmerica> You should file a memory leak bug at bugs.kde.org regarding this then.
[02:04] <samskiter> yes. but I asked around in #bumblebee when first diagnosing the issue and im not using any features that would cause an issue apparently. so i was sent to #linux-gfx
[02:04] <samskiter> kde bugs not ubuntu bugs?
[02:05] <SonikkuAmerica> plasma-desktop isn't part of Ubuntu; it's part of KDE
[02:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Remember to tell them that it's Bumblebee or it'll be a dupe of another similar issue with NVIDIA prop drivers that got fixed in a new update of the NVIDIA driver.
[02:06] <samskiter> "then you were not using it. then you're using bumblebee only for powering down the nvidia card, if at all, and it is not responsible for memory consumption in your primary X"
[02:07] <samskiter> its not a bumblebee issue apparently
[02:08] <SonikkuAmerica> That just means it's not a Bumblebee issue... the issue is that of plasma-desktop.
[02:10] <samskiter> ah ok
[02:10] <samskiter> well ill mention all this
[02:40] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319891 here it is
[02:40] <samskiter> thanks for the help btw
[02:41] <SonikkuAmerica> You're welcome. Looks good on details. The next thing is to sit back, relax, and wait.
[02:42] <samskiter> yea. there are soem similar-ish reports around there. so might get marked duplicate..
[03:15] <ws16> Здорово!!!
[03:19] <Unit193> !ru | ws16
[03:32] <audio>  (//) quit round here (//)
[03:32] <audio>  (//) quiet (//)
[03:35] <audio> ·.¸¸.·´¯`> _02 (/,14/) o.o (//) _
[03:37] <dillydog> hey
[03:37] <dillydog> what's up
[03:40] <ashes> i installed kubuntu for my sister on her laptop, to replace her zombied windows 7. i picked kubuntu because it's intuative, easy to use, and performs well. she hasn't complained so far, which is pretty good for her
[03:40] <audio> ·.¸¸.·´¯`> _02 (/4/) indeed it is (//) _
[03:42] <ashes> she configured kmail on her own, which is great. the only issue so far is that she didnt use muon to install a torrent client... instead she downloaded ktorrent's source code. i tried to explain to her and her husband to only use the muon app store
[03:43] <ashes> slightly different mentality
[03:43] <ashes> in windows you go out and find your packages yourself. in unix you have a repo
[03:46] <audio> ·.¸¸.·´¯`> :::::o.o:::::_
[03:55] <dillydog> ##php
[04:15] <ElTimablo> Is there a simple sound recorder for KDE? I need to test my mic.
[04:16] <ElTimablo> And is there some sort of documentation for writing kwin effects?
[04:54] <lorgus> re2all
[07:54] <Jarris> i did install kubuntu to a USB-Stick, with luks encrypted partitions.. booting from the USB shows the grub-menu i select the first Kubuntu-entry but this results just in a "_" blinking i a corner ...and nothing further happens. what could be my misstake? thx in advance
[08:12] <valorie> Jarris: what did you use to create the liveusb?
[08:13] <Jarris> alternate cd
[08:13] <Jarris> i do not know any grafical live-usb ceator with can encrypt partitions..
[08:14] <Jarris> valorie: do u know some? isnt it possible with alternate cd?
[08:15] <Jarris> kubuntu version is 12.04
[08:15] <valorie> I don't understand what you mean
[08:15] <valorie> oh, yes, you can put on any ISO
[08:15] <valorie> I meant what application did you use to create the LiveUSB?
[08:17] <Jarris> u know the alternate cd? i used it and when i have to select the Harddrive i selected my usb-stick, with 1 boot and 1 encrypted root partition. and then installed the grup bootloader into the usb
[08:19] <valorie> ah
[08:20] <valorie> that won't work
[08:20] <Jarris> why?
[08:20] <valorie> for starters, the alternate CD isn't a live CD/USB
[08:20] <Jarris> starter?
[08:20] <Jarris> s
[08:20] <valorie> I don't know the technical details, but that's why one uses a specific application to create a live image
[08:20] <valorie> !live
[08:21] <valorie> piffle
[08:21] <valorie> you have to use the desktop images if you want a liveCD or USB
[08:21] <Jarris> hammm, and how do i get encryption?
[08:22] <valorie> kubuntu comes with a Startup Disk Creator built in
[08:22] <valorie> with which you can create or CD, DVD or USB
[08:22] <valorie> but you have to have a desktop ISO image to put on it
[08:22] <valorie> no idea
[08:22] <valorie> I guess google for that?
[08:23] <Jarris> did it ...
[08:23] <valorie> not sure why you would want an encrypted one
[08:23] <valorie> any purpose for that?
[08:23] <valorie> there is no personal information on them
[08:23] <valorie> it's just an ISO + grub
[08:24] <Jarris> i want to work with it, i wnat to put persenal information on it, i need to rent a a laptop some times
[08:24] <Jarris> dont want to use the standart windose thing and want my personal informations safe
[08:25] <tabsterleir> Hey guys, I have a bit of a question. I've been reading this: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2013/05/mir-in-kubuntu/ and i'm a little confused. Does this mean I should be jumping ship? Does Kubuntu still have a future or do we not know right now?
[08:34] <valorie> ah, there are applications that let you write to the USB
[08:35] <valorie> but I don't know about encryption on that
[08:35] <valorie> tabsterleir: yes, we have a future
[08:35] <valorie> we don't know whether or not mir is included yet
[08:35] <valorie> because it hasn't been released
[08:36] <valorie> all the flavors are in the same position, afaik
[08:36] <tabsterleir> Ah, fair enough. Got myself in a bit of a panic is all :) ty
[08:47] <oye> Having an open Gmail session in rekonq and running LibreOffice Writer, sometimes when switching windows with alt+tab from the browser to the writer, I notice that the mouse pointer moves around freely, having me introduce text between lines of text already typed previously. I wonder if this erratic behavior is software related or hardware provoked.
[08:47] <oye> s/a Gmail session opened*
[09:27] <swook> Hi, does anyone know why system-config-printer-kde is gone?
[09:31] <valorie> it's part of the KDE Control Module, swook
[09:32] <valorie> alt+f2 "printer" will find it for you
[09:33] <swook> what's odd is that the option completely disappeared
[09:33] <swook> It might finally be time to have a fresh install...
[09:33] <swook> installed since upgrading to 4.10 that is
[09:34] <swook> s/installed/disappeared
[11:18] <swook> Installing kde-full helped.
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:31] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-desktop
[13:35] <swook> thanks BluesKaj
[13:36] <BluesKaj> swook, ??
[13:36] <swook> haha I thought it was to do with a problem I mentioned here
[13:36] <swook> I lost quite a few things, like the print config menu in settings after an upgrade
[13:37] <swook> either to 13.04 or KDE 10.1
[13:37] <swook> an install of kde-full helped
[13:37] <BluesKaj> then that was before I arrived , i was just invoking the bot for reference
[13:38] <swook> I see, thanks nonetheless
[13:38] <BluesKaj> for another chat that doesn't have factoids
[13:55] <kurcina> hi is kubuntu  basickly ubuntu whit other GUI?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> iit use the ubuntu core , but a different desktop environment. kde on ubuntu uses kubuntu-desktop which uses the plasma desktop with it
[13:58] <BluesKaj> within
[13:59] <BluesKaj> the apps ahave their own kde versions
[14:00] <SonikkuAmerica> (And a similar deal with Kubuntu Active as well)
[14:01] <kurcina> so it does not use .deb pakages like ubuntu?
[14:01] <kurcina> i like more kde then gnome or unity or whatewer is now ubunut
[14:02] <BluesKaj> kurcina, yes , and the same repositories
[14:02] <kurcina> ok  and does kde use compiz or not?
[14:03] <SonikkuAmerica> kurcina: No; KDE has its own compositor within KWin
[14:03] <kurcina> or is plazma desktop like compiz
[14:04] <kurcina> does it have ALT TAB fuction?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> kde uses kwin , not compiz
[14:04] <kurcina> does kwin have alt tab fuction
[14:05] <kurcina> i am using zorin  but i wolud like to try some other KDE
[14:09] <kurcina> so what compozotors are out ther
[14:11] <BluesKaj> kwin uses it's own compositor , similar to compiz , look in systemsettings. desktop effects to find the options
[14:11] <kurcina> and does kubuntu 13.04 have dash to sirche like ubuntu
[14:11] <BluesKaj> it has a search in the kmenu
[14:12] <kurcina> does kubuntu 13.04 have dash to search ?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> no dash
[14:12] <BluesKaj> !nepomuk
[14:13] <BluesKaj> !info nepomuk
[14:13] <BluesKaj> !index
[14:13] <BluesKaj> wth?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> !search
[14:13] <kurcina> so what is behter compiz or kwin
[14:15] <BluesKaj> if you setup desktop effects , you can do most of the compiz effects afaik , kurcina
[14:15] <kurcina> only efect i want is wobly window and alt tab fuction nothing more
[14:17] <BluesKaj> kurcina, then you should find those effects in systemsettings >desktop effects , if you feel like looking
[14:18] <kurcina> i dont have kubuntu i have zorin i am just asking does it have those effects
[14:18] <BluesKaj> what's zorin?
[14:20] <kurcina> zorin is linux os thet looks like windows
[14:20] <kurcina> and comes whit alot of inbuld softwer
[14:21] <BluesKaj> the wobbly windows and alt-tab/boxswitch are listed in the available desktop effects
[14:23] <kurcina> BluesKaj:  ok ty i must go now
[15:11] <roadfish> the 13.04 installer crashes when I do the manual disk partitioning. any one heard about this problem? any fix?
[15:11] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:12] <roadfish> ok, I found a link talking about my bug:
[15:12] <roadfish>    https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/990464
[15:13] <roadfish> thanks ubottu!
[15:57] <rindolf> Hi all. How can I set up my time on the KDE clock in the panel to be in 24-hour (with "18:57" etc.) instead of in AM/PM (with "6:57 PM" etc.)?
[15:59] <SonikkuAmerica> rindolf: It should be in Digital Clock Settings (right-click the digital clock)
[16:00] <Artakha> you need to set your time format in the locale settings iirc
[16:01] <rindolf> SonikkuAmerica: thanks! It was in the date format under the "config"/tool option.
[16:02] <Artakha> well that leads into locale settings so yeah :P
[16:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh OK. (Just switched back to Unity earlier in the week but I know enough about Kubuntu from prev. exp.
[16:02] <SonikkuAmerica> )
[16:37] <Kitzune> Is there a way to change the main panel opacity  so it can be different transparency levels?
[16:51] <rindolf> Oh, Kitzune left.
[17:03] <imgx64> What is "System Settings -> Locale" supposed to do? It doesn't change LC_* variables, which means many applications (including KDE apps like Dolphin) don't actually respect the locale settings in it.
[17:58] <oye> Any clue why Bygfoot won't let me play in any other league but of Venezuela? When I try to select other leagues, I get nothing but a blank row.
[18:06] <keithzg> Hmm, if I ask KRunner "time" it gets it right, if I ask "time Edmonton" it gets it right, but if I ask "time MDT" (which is my timezone) it thinks it's an hour later than it is.
[18:06] <oye> Maybe MDT stands for something else in KRunner?
[18:07] <keithzg> It shouldn't, that's the official abbreviation for Mountain Daylight Time.
[18:07] <keithzg> It gives the same answer for MST.
[18:07] <keithzg> If I ask it for "time MT", which is the non-daylight-savings-specific abbreviation, it thinks I mean GMT, which is bad behaviour too.
[18:08] <oye> I have no idea, honestly.
[18:09] <ninjabox_> anyone good with services?
[18:17] <keithzg> ninjabox_: I'm decent-ish ;) What's your issue/question?
[18:20] <ninjabox_> sorry, was looking around at the server list
[18:21] <ninjabox_> but my network manager service has to be restarted every time i reboot the computer or it will not connect.
[18:22] <keithzg> Ahhh, Network Manager, my old nemesis ;) What's your actual networking situation like?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> ninjabox_, I have to ask , is it set autoconnect in the network manager
[18:23] <ninjabox_> yes
[18:23] <ninjabox_> would that affect it?
[18:23] <BluesKaj> eth0?
[18:23] <ninjabox_> no, wireless...but it does show up as eth1 for whatever reason
[18:24] <ninjabox_> by networkin situation do you mean what means am i using to connect to the network?
[18:24] <ninjabox_> at keithzg^
[18:24] <BluesKaj> afaik it should be wlan0
[18:25] <ninjabox_> it should. but atm it's not a major concern cause it works
[18:25] <ninjabox_> can i paste the outputs of ifconfig and iwconfig here for you guys?
[18:28] <ninjabox_> and just incase it's any different im using ubuntu 12.04
[18:29] <ninjabox_> not kubuntu
[18:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Services via terminal probably won't be different.
[18:30] <SonikkuAmerica> You may be better off asking in #ubuntu though, unless your services are KDE-specific
[18:30] <ninjabox_> thx for the info :D
[18:31] <ninjabox_> i have that server open as well
[18:31] <ninjabox_> :D
[20:54] <darklittledevil> hi, any spanish channel?
[22:48] <ovidiu> hello, i have a problem on kubuntu with a player in html5 on voyo.ro. in windows8 when i click on the fullscreen button of the player even when i'm on the second screen it turns fullscreen on the second screen but in kubuntu it fullscreens it on the first screen always so i can't make it fullscreen on the second screen. any fix?
[22:59] <KenHarp> Hi everyone.
[23:02] <KenHarp> Can someone tell me the best way to preserve grub? I have Kubuntu installed and I want to dual boot Windows 7. I've done this many times, but the problem I face is installing windows last. It keeps grub from showing up. Any suggestions?
[23:03] <sakang> install kubuntu last
[23:03] <KenHarp> Kubuntu is already instlalled.
[23:04] <sakang> if you could boot to kubuntu, then update grub and then grub-install /dev/sda
[23:04] <KenHarp> I can't boot to Kubuntu, because of the grub issue.
[23:05] <KenHarp> Right now I'm on Kubuntu. I'm about to install windows but I dont want to get locked out of kubuntu because of grub.  Is it possibly the way I'm installing windows that causes the prob?
[23:09] <valorie> windows likes to be first
[23:10] <valorie> not sure how to get around that
[23:12] <seattlegaucho> KenHarp: you can try booting from usb stick into your HD kubuntu (it has an option in the menu, I don't remember the specifics) ... then apply sakang's recommendation
[23:12] <KenHarp> would this work?
[23:12] <KenHarp> if u install linux then it will be hidden
[23:12] <KenHarp> insert the first linux installation cd
[23:12] <KenHarp> on the first window type linux rescue and follow the instructions
[23:12] <KenHarp> once u hav rached shell
[23:12] <KenHarp> type grub-install
[23:12] <FloodBotK1> KenHarp: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:13] <seattlegaucho> KenHarp: similar to what I recommended :)
[23:13] <KenHarp> sorry for the flood..lol
[23:13] <KenHarp> and thank you


[01:35] <SiDi> Good night peeps
[09:00] <SiDi> hi
[10:11] <knome> morning SiDi
[10:12] <SiDi> heya knome
[10:12] <SiDi> how're you ?
[10:13] <knome> i'm fine
[10:14] <knome> doing some work for studies for once
[10:14] <SiDi> :P
[10:15] <knome> well have to do or i have to repeat half a year of my studies
[10:19] <SiDi> hehe
[10:19] <SiDi> same here. except that we've done nothing for 3 months and now we're asked to do the whole 6 months of work before end of april
[10:20] <knome> lol
[10:20] <knome> i'll shut down my irc to get something done
[10:20] <knome> see you later
[10:21] <SiDi> See you
[10:49] <knome> krhm
[10:49] <knome> already 2+ pages of 10
[10:49] <knome> hmm, this was #ubuntu-artwork ...
[10:59] <Bert_2> Hi, I'm searching for a very specific kind of artwork for the ubuntu based distro I'm making for my 6year old niece (I'm giving her a linux-based computer for her birthday on sunday), now the distro, hannebuntu, should have a nice flower icon thing, a little bit shiny, but not that hard if you can work with graphic stuff, the problem: I'm not a graphics guy so I have no idea how to make it, anyone here know someone who does simple art for free ?
[11:03] <SiDi> Bert_2, making icons takes times,, and icons themes takes A LOT of time
[11:03] <Bert_2> SiDi: I meant a background thing
[11:03] <SiDi> Oh.
[11:03] <Bert_2> I simply want a purple flower (6 leaves) with a yellow dot in the middle
[11:04] <Bert_2> with a bit of a crystalised effect
[11:04] <Bert_2> I know how you guys probably do it
[11:04] <Bert_2> you draw a circle, do the leaves in plain purple
[11:04] <Bert_2> and then draw a gradient shape which goes from transparant to white over it
[11:05] <Bert_2> but I don't know how to do it in programs and I have no idea what form the gradient thing should have :s
[11:05] <SiDi> Well, i can't do that from where i am :p
[11:05] <Bert_2> SiDi: but is it easy or hard to do ?
[11:06] <SiDi> Bert_2, couldn't say. making basic things isn't hard (unless you're used to photoshop and have to use the gimp x_x), but making a well polished wallpaper takes a little bit of time
[11:06] <Bert_2> SiDi: okey
[11:06] <SiDi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds check the link there, someone posted links to nice flower photos, that might do for your niece
[11:07] <SiDi> http://gnome-look.org/content/search.php check for "flower"
[11:07] <Bert_2> I'll have a look
[11:07] <Bert_2> SiDi: already tried it
[11:07] <SiDi> there are a lot of flower wallpapers on gnome-look
[11:07] <Bert_2> I looked at every flower thing in gnome-look
[11:07] <Bert_2> (30 pages of flowers)
[11:07] <Bert_2> most of them are pictures and I was hoping to find nice drawn ones
[11:08] <Bert_2> but I'm too specific I guess :P
[11:08] <SiDi> You still can make a request in the mailing list :P
[11:08] <knome> Bert_2, import in inkscape and trace to path :P
[11:08] <SiDi> i for sure won't help as i'm just not capable of doing anything, but maybe someone will have spare time.
[11:09] <Bert_2> knome: I don't know anything about inkscape and just a few things abouyt gimp
[11:09] <Bert_2> knome: so what do you mean ?
[11:09] <SiDi> Yeh actually you can aswell pick a photo that has the shape of what you want, and try random filters in gimp or inkscape
[11:10] <knome> Bert_2, just pick a picture you would like to be drawn
[11:10] <knome> Bert_2, and paste it
[11:10] <knome> Bert_2, i'll look at it after some time
[11:10] <Bert_2> knome: and then...
[11:11] <knome> Bert_2, well let's see what i can do
[11:11] <knome> Bert_2, but i will be reading a book for maybe 15mins now :)
[11:13] <Bert_2> what do I do when I have the picture, what filters should I use ?
[11:14] <Bert_2> ow, I was gone again
[11:14] <Bert_2> last thing I got was: [12:10] <knome> Bert_2, just pick a picture you would like to be drawn
[11:14] <SiDi> knome is doing his homework for the first time, so he's a bit busy ;p </sarcastic>
[11:14] <Bert_2> SiDi: lol
[11:14] <Bert_2> I still have to do my homework
[11:25] <knome> well :P
[11:38]  * SiDi hides.
[13:48] <curioso> : /server irc.brasnet.org
[13:48] <curioso> : /server irc.brasnet.org
[17:30] <thorwil> robsta: hi, you just entered on me hitting the send button :)
[17:32] <robsta> hey thorwil
[17:35] <robsta> thorwil: guess i can join, just don't tell anyone
[17:36] <thorwil> to the channel: pssst!
[17:36]  * savvas slashdots robsta
[17:37] <robsta> *shrug*
[17:37] <robsta> my real name is not public in launchpad
[17:37] <thorwil> robsta: except for the plate naming, i hope you will have more to pull than push ;)
[17:38] <robsta> indeed
[17:38] <robsta> i always wanted to join a team
[17:43] <robsta> thorwil: btw, gnome moved to git, take that into account when updating your css engine checkout next time
[17:44] <thorwil> robsta: i don't even recall what it was in :)
[17:45] <robsta> gnome svn
[17:45] <robsta> now gnome git
[18:00]  * thorwil -> dinner


[05:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_lxqt-archiver UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_lxqt-archiver/94/
[05:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_sddm UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_sddm/309/
[05:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_sddm UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_sddm/60/
[05:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_sddm UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_sddm/309/
[05:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_sddm UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_sddm/60/
[06:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_lxqt-archiver UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_lxqt-archiver/95/
[06:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_nm-tray UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_nm-tray/310/
[06:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_nm-tray UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_nm-tray/310/
[06:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_nm-tray UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_nm-tray/311/
[06:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_nm-tray UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_nm-tray/65/
[06:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_nm-tray UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_nm-tray/65/
[06:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_lxqt-archiver UNSTABLE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_lxqt-archiver/95/
 Good morning everyone
 o/
 @tsimonq2 [If you're a packager (or wannabe packager, we always need more help!), try to ge …], Just wanted to look at it again-it looks like the link doesn't work/exist
 is there a new link for this?
 standby
 http://ci.lubuntu.me/
 Just go there ^ it will redirect you to the fixme page.
 Looked through Build 38 fail https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_backports_lxqt-archiver/lastBuild/console
 It seems everything is.. probably fine. Uploading to tooling just isn't working for whatever reason. The build is fine-searching through error and the dh build process is fine.
 "Verifying if binaries are published, 0 minutes in. … Traceback (most recent call last): …   File "./tooling/ci/lp_check.py", line 136, in <module> …     lpcheck = LaunchpadCheck() …   File "./tooling/ci/lp_check.py", line 37, in init …     self.verify_binaries_published(args.package, args.package_version) …   File "./tooling/ci/lp_
 Let me guess, no news right
 This always happens doesn't it.
 Honestly to help out, it's my fault I didn't play with tooling so I'll have to do that
 You have to look at the launchpad build to see what the issue is. Like the error message indicates one or more builds have an error.
 It does say so-just can't find any regex of an Error or Search. Launching Browser through Ctrl + F, can;t find anything. Of course, the story goes deeper.
 (cough) common sense
 https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-ci
 All of the CI builds go to that ppa^
 Gracias.
 dpkg-buildpackage: info: full upload (original source is included) 🤔
[15:00] <kc2bez> Give a look here https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stable-backports-ci-proposed/+packages
[15:00] <kc2bez> That package failed to build on all arches.
[15:01] <kc2bez> so if you look at one of the buildlogs https://launchpadlibrarian.net/484615998/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-amd64.lxqt-archiver_0.1.0+git202006170117~focal-0ubuntu1~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
 Aight.
 CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:30 (find_package): …   By not providing "FindQt5X11Extras.cmake" in CMAKE_MODULE_PATH this project …   has asked CMake to find a package configuration file provided by …   "Qt5X11Extras", but CMake did not find one. …   Could not find a package configuration file provided by "Qt5X11Extras" …   (requeste
 Oh soz. Didn't see the messages. But here is where the breakdown occurs.
[15:03] <kc2bez> right
[15:04] <kc2bez> So that needs to be added as a build dep
 Alright. I'll do some digging upstream and in the source code and see if I can find anything.-
 Alright-I'll go look for it's package
 Ok. Here it is. https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/libqt5x11extras5-dev
 When you mean diff-you talking about debdiffs?
 Where's the source code?
 Is that at phab?
[15:10] <kc2bez> the packaging is in phab
[15:10] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lxqt-archiver/
[15:12] <kc2bez> I don't follow your diff question? What are you referring to?
 nevermind
 Do you want a diff for my changes?
 Also-what branch are you looking for for this?
[15:29] <kc2bez> arc diff that I guess if you have access and probably backports/focal since that is the only one failing.
 I actually don't have access so yeah i'll have to make a diff. I'll probably debdiff i guess?
[15:39] <kc2bez> I don't know. A patch file would do I suppose.
 Sounds good
 Save of time
 Alright nice, and when I have the patch ready, where would you like me to put it?
 Another excellent question. You could paste it in https://phab.lubuntu.me/paste and tag me and Simon I guess.
 @kc2bez [Another excellent question. You could paste it in https://phab.lubuntu.me/paste …], No problems. What else to do in boring times in quarantine then to help my friends.
 Actually-I forgot to add debian/series-my bad
 eh. just got the same thing nevertheless trying to apply it
 Alright. https://phab.lubuntu.me/P74
 Enjoy
[15:58] <kc2bez> Thanks. Will try to look at it when I get a chance.
 No problem. If you need (I don't think you will), the patch file name is qt5extrasAsBuildDep.patch.
 Solving build fail for groovy_unstable - add lxqt-globalkeys as build dep https://phab.lubuntu.me/P75
 (.patch file)
 So @tsimonq2 -apologies for the tag. It looks like you are trying to package qt6-qtbase. The error fails here: … mv: cannot stat 'qtbase_5.14.2+dfsg.orig*': No such file or directory … It originally claims the upstream ver is 5.14.2+dfsg-however that's incorrect-latest upstream ver is from 2 months ago in Salsa's qtbase repo. Correc
 Hope that gives a pointer
 Am aware
 👍
[17:21] <LinfanR> Du hast den Schoensten Arsch der Welt
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> ^ Well then...
[18:14] <kc2bez> I'll just nuke on the Telegram side.
 ?
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, not much can be done after the fact.
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> @tsimonq2 It's a fairly dirty phrase in German that I won't repeat.
[18:15] <kc2bez> Drive by spamming
 Fun
[18:46] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: check phab notif
[18:47] <wxl> okie
[18:47]  * The_LoudSpeaker steals some time from debian to get back to Lubuntu
 @Eickmeyer [<Eickmeyer> @tsimonq2 It's a fairly dirty phrase in German that I won't repeat.], yes
[21:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL089202bb6052: Fix Open with] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL089202bb6052
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[21:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa17da9e74f0b: Fix Open with] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa17da9e74f0b
[22:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL915cf80d484a: Add new open with by file menu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL915cf80d484a
[22:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL545b6f58065a: Fix mangled wording of using left and right arrows] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL545b6f58065a
[22:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL30ed54a00ab5: Fix mangled wording of using left and right arrows] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL30ed54a00ab5
[22:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1bd994182175: Fix mangled wording of using left and right arrows] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1bd994182175
[22:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcdd996f7b580: Add  Show outline option] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcdd996f7b580
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[21:07] <guiverc> I just unlocked my desktop, hirsute; yet xscreensaver reports me at 20.04?
[21:25] <kc2bez> Hmm, I wonder where we hardcoded that gem.
[21:30] <kc2bez> Ah, looks like here: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%2Fgroovy/src/usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver$607
[21:31] <kc2bez> I wonder if we shouldn't just leave off the version number there?
[21:32] <guiverc> thanks kc2bez, I'd forgotten that I saw it already..  leaving off version number makes sense to me (less work for you & devs)
[21:33] <guiverc> do you want a bug report, likely same in groovy too
[21:35] <kc2bez> I'd like to get wxl 's take ^ but I have no doubt that it is the same in groovy.