[06:51] <jcapote> ed1t: so the defaults have suited you fine?
[06:51] <letschatt> gentoo.. i've heard some good things about but i'll wait
[06:51] <Super_BQ> BlazingSteakSauc: it works!?
[06:51] <BlazingSteakSauc> yup
[06:51] <ed1t> jcapote, yea it works fine for me
[06:51] <Super_BQ> sheezes
[06:51] <calc> Super_BQ: linux uses what you have, free doesn't report very accurate numbers as well
[06:51] <jasmuz> Super_BQ: i dont plan on using Gnome as default GUI
[06:51] <BlazingSteakSauc> centos failed lol
[06:52] <Super_BQ> calc: anotherwords more ram = faster performance?
[06:52] <calc> the -/+ buffers/cache first number is not just what your apps are using
[06:52] <letschatt> athlon 600, matrox dualhead 32 megs, 256 meg ram, broadcom wireless pci card, audigy sound.
[06:52] <calc> it also includes other stuff like inode cache, etc
[06:52] <ph00> BlazingSteakSauc : is centos the one that was copying windows?
[06:52] <BlazingSteakSauc> i took ubuntu to my networking class for fun
[06:52] <calc> Super_BQ: yea
[06:52] <BlazingSteakSauc> im not sure
[06:52] <nickrud> DaSkreech, I was so boggled that a binary under user was not in dpkg -S, I did a bit of digging: It's part of xserver.org, and the install/remove scripts do some interesting things
[06:52] <letschatt> i managed to get the very bare minimum win 2k on it that's why it runs fast. ubuntu laid waste to my machine
[06:52] <fortysixand2> I hate my broadcom card
[06:52] <calc> Super_BQ: i run kde on 128mb at work in vmware and it only shows like its using around 60MB ram
[06:52] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got it from someone in the class
[06:52] <nickrud> *xserver-org
[06:52] <letschatt> i love my broadcom card. forty msg me i'll tell you some settings you need to get (i got 4x the default speed)
[06:53] <calc> Super_BQ: on my home box running gnome and firefox it shows its using 464MB (probably not too accurate)
[06:53] <setite> well i run ubuntu on a amd 64 at 2.75 ghz... take that mr i love to use old computers
[06:53] <ed1t> letschatt, broadcom ethernet or wireless?
[06:53] <letschatt> firefox, kde, X, XFS and some print daemon i don't need take up 200 megs of my ram
[06:53] <DaSkreech> nickrud: Keep talking :)
[06:53] <Super_BQ> well.. I think I need to find out hot to Disable NETBIOS over TCP/IP in an effort to get Samba going through firestater
[06:53] <ed1t> i got a broadcom gigabit ethernet
[06:53] <calc> Super_BQ: there are ways to get more accurate numbers but its not simple to do
[06:53] <fortysixand2> mine is wireless
[06:53] <fortysixand2>  :(
[06:53] <Super_BQ> calc: so TOP won't do?
[06:53] <Sleeper> someone throw me a bone here... how do i create a root pw then just su ..? is it like freebsd where i add it to wheel groups etc .. ?
[06:54] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got a 1.66ghz on this machine the pcs we use in the class are donated so we are allowed to screw with em
[06:54] <letschatt> i bought broadcom in the microsoft rebranding. turn off bluetooth rule # 1. disable power save mode.
[06:54] <calc> Super_BQ: well with firefox the numbers may actually be accurate
[06:54] <letschatt> transfer at a constant rate. don't choose automatic
[06:54] <calc> Super_BQ: you can look at /proc/(pid)/status to see
[06:54] <nickrud> DaSkreech, if all you want is the file, aptitude install xserver-xorg; if you want to understand what's going on, look at xserver-xorg* in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[06:54] <calc> looks like firefox on my box is using a real 234MB+
[06:54] <setite> god now i recall why i hate linux
[06:54] <nickrud> DaSkreech, I'm not going to put in the time, myself
[06:54] <DaSkreech> nickrud: Ok thanks
[06:55] <BlazingSteakSauc> i love firefox it is killer on linux or windows
[06:55] <calc> setite: eh?
[06:55] <jasmuz> Sleeper: sudo passwd ****
[06:55] <BlazingSteakSauc> linux preferably
[06:55] <letschatt> firefox rules!! konqueror.. errrr
[06:55] <setite> calc : i hate how hard a simple thing can become
[06:55] <jcapote> how long does it usually take for .debs to be created out of popular software, such as firefox
[06:55] <ed1t> FF!
[06:55] <jasmuz> firefox roxz!
[06:55] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got fire fox as defualt for this windows boot
[06:55] <setite> also i hate the grub wont use my usb keyboard
[06:55] <ed1t> jcapote, it all depends, FF have some problems
[06:55] <hybrid_goth> jcapote: alien
[06:55] <calc> BlazingSteakSauc: well i do have 15+ firefox windows open, but using that much ram is still kinda bad
[06:56] <the_beginner> Where do i install the drivers to for a modem if im trying to set up an internet connection? /dev?
[06:56] <bob2> jcapote: do you mean "when will firefox 1.0.6 be in hoary?"?
[06:56] <calc> setite: that is your bios faul
[06:56] <calc> setite: fault
[06:56] <fortysixand2> grub uses my USB keyboard just fine
[06:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> why 15?
[06:56] <jcapote> is it?
[06:56] <calc> setite: tell you bios to use dos mode for keyboard
[06:56] <fortysixand2> that's a BIOS problem
[06:56] <bob2> the_beginner: you don't need drivers for a modem
[06:56] <setite> ok
[06:56] <Super_BQ> ok brb. gonna play with network stuff
[06:56] <ed1t> jcapote, there are some minor bugs...but u can fix it urself
[06:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> setite i know what you mean mine don't work either
[06:56] <setite> that still leaves me with the fact that i already forgot how to install a program on here
[06:56] <ed1t> jcapote, like it will show you the wrong version, it will show u 1.0 instead of 1.0.4
[06:57] <BlazingSteakSauc> i use a ps2 usb adaptor to get it to work
[06:57] <bob2> jcapote: new versions of software tend to go into the development branch of ubuntu pretty quickly
[06:57] <the_beginner> Its an Alcatel speedtouch 330, i'm pretty new to Linux, ive just been following what it says on this site but its too confusing
[06:57] <fortysixand2> setite: apt-get install <program name>
[06:57] <calc> setite: system -> administration -> synaptic
[06:57] <setite> and once again half my problem is that i refuse to use the 32 bit version
[06:57] <bob2> jcapote: stable versions of ubuntu do not get new versions of software
[06:57] <Sleeper> jasmuz i keep getting try again
[06:57] <setite> yea but that only works for programs that i have a repo for
[06:57] <calc> setite: or like fortysixand2 in a console window run sudo apt-get install <program name>
[06:57] <the_beginner> Ive downloaded drivers off sourcefourge, and this firmware stuff or something, i think i have to extract that to somewhere?
[06:57] <setite> i need to find a mozilla repo
[06:57] <calc> setite: yea only for about 16000 programs
[06:57] <calc> setite: mozilla is already in ubuntu
[06:57] <La_PaRCa> ok, someone care to tell me why I just installed Xfce and its not listed under the gdm sessions?
[06:57] <BlazingSteakSauc> calc some keyboards like mine will no function period at install in usb or at login window
[06:58] <setite> yea but its not that up to day
[06:58] <setite> date*
[06:58] <IIIEars> lol@calc 16000 "only" - grin
[06:58] <bob2> the_beginner: Im pretty sure  you only need the speedtouch package
[06:58] <jcapote> so packages in the repositories are never updated
[06:58] <the_beginner> Its too confusing, chat script?
[06:58] <calc> setite: it is here: Version: 2:1.7.8-1ubuntu2
[06:58] <bob2> the_beginner: http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/
[06:58] <the_beginner> pap secrets chap secrets etc *gives up*
[06:58] <the_beginner> lol
[06:59] <calc> or was as of earlier this week
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> it's not confusing if you take like to minutes to stop and look at it to see how it works
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> two
[06:59] <calc> looks like 1.7.10 is out now
[06:59] <the_beginner> Oh its that page ! thanks !
[06:59] <BlazingSteakSauc> im glad yolinux is back up a few days ago i checked it and it was down
[06:59] <bob2> the_beginner: if you don't understand a specific part, please ask the channel for help
[06:59] <bob2> having someone walk you through the entire process is kinda inefficient, tho
[07:00] <BlazingSteakSauc> 1.7.10 now?
[07:00] <calc> hmm 1.7.10 came out yesterday
[07:00] <BlazingSteakSauc> dang
[07:00] <calc> it will probably be in ubuntu in the next couple days
[07:00] <the_beginner> Yeah, thanks anyway, i'll go figure , if i have a question i think is specific enough i'll hit you guys with it :-)
[07:00] <La_PaRCa> Some help with Xfce? It doesnt appear in the gdm sessions.
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> hrmm
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> how did you install it?
[07:01] <jasmuz> good night folks
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> xfce is nice :)
[07:01] <jcapote> so from what I gather from the forms, it seems that the firefox for hoary now is 1.0.2 with security patches applied
[07:01] <bob2> yes
[07:01] <bob2> that's always bee nthe case
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> jcapote: but they're patches to the extent that it becomes, essentially, 1.0.4
[07:02] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, um, I just noticed I installed xfce not xfce4
[07:02] <jcapote> but is it as secure as 1.0.6
[07:02] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, uninstalled that and went for xfce4
[07:02] <bob2> jcapote: that's the point...yes
[07:02] <Computer__Guru> there ya go :)
[07:02] <calc> 1.0.6 just had a patch for plugins anyway, wasn't it?
[07:02] <bob2> or will be when pitti uploads the latest fixes
[07:02] <jcapote> you could always just install inside /opt
[07:02] <jasoncohen> jcapote, that's correct. if you read the security notes, it has the patches from 1.0.3, 1.0.4 and 1.0.5. 1.0.6 just was a bugfix release to fix the API changes from 1.0.5
[07:03] <jcapote> but it won't be optimized for ubuntu+gnome
[07:03] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, another thing. My firefox started acting weird after the last update. It now doesnt open links to zip or pdf files for some reason.
[07:03] <La_PaRCa> ColonelKernel, when I click on a link to a zip file, it just sits there.
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> odd
[07:03] <Burgundavia> La_PaRCa, known bug
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> reconfigure it?
[07:03] <jasoncohen> what does that mean anyways- optimized for gnome + ubuntu?
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> ah, known bug
[07:03] <La_PaRCa> Burgundavia, ok, thanks. I was looking over bugzilla earlier and didnt see it.
[07:03] <jcapote> no idea, just saying what I read in the forums
[07:04] <Burgundavia> La_PaRCa, as did lots. I have closed about 5 duplicates
[07:04] <IIIEars> jasoncohn - ubuntu sudo?
[07:04] <La_PaRCa> Burgundavia, haha.
[07:04] <jasoncohen> i find the mozilla built to be faster on startup + faster at browsing than the ubuntu build so i don't see what this optimization is doing
[07:04] <La_PaRCa> Burgundavia, thats why I always ask here before posting.
[07:04] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, and why would you need sudo for firefox?
[07:04] <ColonelKernel> La_PaRCa, using the latest ubuntu firefox update eh?
[07:04] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got a file ealier for making ubuntu show ntfs and fat systems but the terminal failed to do anything with it
[07:05] <La_PaRCa> ColonelKernel, yup.
[07:05] <jasoncohen> !mount
[07:05] <ubotu> rumour has it, mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[07:05] <La_PaRCa> Its cramping my style.
[07:05] <IIIEars> jasoncohen - else isn't linux=linux?
[07:05] <woody> Kernel? which version?
[07:05] <La_PaRCa> I need a connection better than 128kbps
[07:05] <jasoncohen> BlazingSteakSauc, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions'
[07:05] <ColonelKernel> La_PaRCa, get the latest firefox from mozilla, install it locally, and use that until the ubuntu folks fix the browser
[07:05] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, i don't know what you're talking about.
[07:05] <ColonelKernel> the ubuntu version of firefox is broken
[07:05] <BlazingSteakSauc> let me see if thats the one
[07:05] <calc> ColonelKernel: broken, how?
[07:05] <La_PaRCa> ColonelKernel, nah, its not THAT bad. I can live with it.
[07:05] <IIIEars> what else distinguishes ubuntu from Debian?
[07:06] <calc> 1.0.6 wasn't even a security fix
[07:06] <calc> it just fixed some plugin breakage
[07:06] <woody> calc
[07:06] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, faster and more consistent release cycle. New packages in the stable version
[07:06] <ColonelKernel> calc, for me, links dont work - like if I try to d/l something from sourceforce, it doesnt hapen
[07:06] <Burgundavia> calc, .6 didn't solve all the breakage
[07:06] <woody> #calc
[07:06] <BlazingSteakSauc> that different then what was given to me
[07:06] <calc> and since plugins don't work on my version of ubuntu its no big deal (for me anyway)
[07:07] <calc> Burgundavia: odd
[07:07] <woody> !
[07:07] <ubotu> Wish i knew, woody
[07:07] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, it's optimized for desktop usage. debian has no default set of installed packages. you install what you want. they don't fiddle with stuff to make it work by default. ubuntu has templates for many packages with optimized settings
[07:07] <BlazingSteakSauc> gonna save it to my thumb drive to load in the os
[07:07] <calc> i have 1.0.5 here and it works fine for me
[07:07] <La_PaRCa> Burgundavia, how about a flash thing. It is freezing my firefox every time the plugin unloads. Known too?
[07:07] <ColonelKernel> well my firefox worked fine before the update, but the 1.0.6 from firefox I installed locally simeply screams
[07:07] <IIIEars> Burgundavia, Ah - appreciate the clarification. - Ubuntu is much better than any other distro i tried
[07:08] <Burgundavia> calc, it is only a select set of extensions
[07:08] <Burgundavia> La_PaRCa, no idea, but I assume it is part of the breakage
[07:08] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, ubuntu only supports packages that are important to most users. debian is a better server distrobution as it has a longer life, security support on many more packages and is more thoroughly tested
[07:08] <jasoncohen> i would recommened ubuntu for a desktop user and debian for a server
[07:08] <La_PaRCa> Burgundavia, ok, will just wait for the next update.
[07:08] <BlazingSteakSauc> sandisk usb sticks require no work to be seen or read even with fat 32 on em
[07:08] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu generally only supports the best of the breed packages. So only one of each server
[07:08] <hybrid_goth> debian wont break
[07:08] <Burgundavia> one webbrowser, etc.
[07:08] <calc> Burgundavia: ok, yea they probably wouldn't even work on mine in any case so no problem for me :)
[07:09] <IIIEars> BSD for servers. Debian? - if you say so.
[07:09] <La_PaRCa> hungry
[07:09] <La_PaRCa> I wish I had some pizza
[07:09] <calc> hybrid_goth: debian doesn't break? in unstable it does :)
[07:09] <calc> actually debian breaks other times too
[07:09] <calc> the version of gzip they shipped in sarge is fubar
[07:09] <ColonelKernel> i couldnt get any mozilla browser plugins installed on bsd
[07:09] <calc> doesn't work properly with apt-get
[07:10] <La_PaRCa> everything breaks
[07:10] <calc> so eg apt-get source fails ~ 50% of the time for me
[07:10] <jasoncohen> why does ubuntu's apache2 server default to an FTP view. debian's goes to the default apache web page if you go to http://serverip and doesn't show the different directories
[07:10] <jasoncohen> on mythweb, it tries to open the php file rather than loading the page
[07:10] <IcemanV9> ColonelKernel: install linuxwrapper
[07:10] <ColonelKernel> IcemanV9, ill install ubuntu instead
[07:11] <ColonelKernel> actually I use centos for my server
[07:11] <BlazingSteakSauc> no wine for ubuntu??
[07:11] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, I think its because the ubuntu package doesnt come with the default pages in the webserver directory
[07:11] <IIIEars> get the update for gzip there was a recent flaw published
[07:11] <ColonelKernel> BlazingSteakSauc, I use cedega and that works fine on cedega
[07:11] <calc> hmm they finally fixed gzip on Jul 11 in debian and forgot to upload it to stable-proposed-updates
[07:11] <BlazingSteakSauc> well the isp is only windows or mac so wine or something close i need to get it installed
[07:12] <ColonelKernel> BlazingSteakSauc, crack rocks?
[07:12] <Razor-X> keroberos!
[07:12] <Razor-X> XD
[07:12] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, it's in the same location as in debian - /var/www/apache2-default
[07:12] <La_PaRCa> PIZZA!
[07:12] <Razor-X> BlazingSteakSauc: no ISP is Windows or Mac only
[07:12] <setite> gah!
[07:12] <BlazingSteakSauc> yes
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:13] <calc> Razor-X: AOL is more or less
[07:13] <nalioth> BlazingSteakSauc: yer kiddin me "windows or mac" what kind of crap is that?
[07:13] <setite> cedega is evil
[07:13] <supernix> testedd
[07:13] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, yeah, but I think it comes empty by default on ubuntu. Might be wrong tho.
[07:13] <jasoncohen> but http://serverip automatically opens that page on debian and not on ubuntu. ubuntu also doesn't seem to know how to start mythweb correctly
[07:13] <setite> i renewed my service but the site is being screwy
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> AOL is jsut harder to config with linux
[07:13] <supernix> So much for automatic spell correction
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> you can still connect
[07:13] <setite> AOL!!!!
[07:13] <setite> AOL and linux.. thats funny as hell
[07:13] <calc> AOL uses nonstandard tcp protocol shit
[07:13] <BlazingSteakSauc> im stuck is aohell and the recent version are all win or mac
[07:13] <thechitowncubs> lol
[07:13] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, i just installed apache2 on ubuntu and /var/www/apache2-default is there. it's not empty
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> its just their pretty lil training wheels browser
[07:13] <jasoncohen> if i click apache2-default it opens the page
[07:13] <BlazingSteakSauc> verson 3 is had linux version
[07:13] <IIIEars> BlazingSteakSauc - Yep - AOL? - some groups there are the best on the web. windows only seems kind of silly. I hope you can get wine to configure it.
[07:13] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, um, whats in it?
[07:13] <BlazingSteakSauc> slow as hell though
[07:14] <setite> yea aol software is not necessary for inet usage via aol
[07:14] <setite> its their browser and little AOL only features interface
[07:14] <jeran_> What's the difference between Cedega and Winex?
[07:14] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got sites saved on aol
[07:14] <BlazingSteakSauc> need to get em off or use it
[07:14] <Razor-X> setite: no, I think you need an AOL Dialer
[07:14] <Razor-X> they use a proprietary dialer
[07:14] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, all the same stuff on my debian box
[07:15] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, thats because the web root directory is /var/www/ not /var/www/apache2-default
[07:15] <BlazingSteakSauc> once i get this linux part online im not using this lame windows again
[07:15] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, if you move everything inside apache2-default to /var/www/ it will work
[07:15] <BlazingSteakSauc> but at the moment going to better isp is not an option
[07:15] <setite> well back in the aol 2.0 days you could use any dialer to get on with aol inet
[07:15] <setite> havent used them since cable was available in my state
[07:16] <IIIEars> Razor-X - Read something about a proprietory protocol. - not too sure if it's about PPP or TCP (would be a pain to use only AOLpeng to connect.)
[07:16] <setite> i still pay for aol to keep my screenname though :(
[07:16] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, it works on debian with /var/www/apache2-default
[07:16] <BlazingSteakSauc> someone else is paying the bill here i told em this isp sucks and over charges but they don't listen
[07:16] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, ubuntu is not debian, the conf files are different!
[07:16] <biscuit_> Hi
[07:16] <Razor-X> IIIEars: there's another free dialer
[07:16] <BlazingSteakSauc> aol uses ppp/slip
[07:16] <setite> is there an easy way to get my mouse to work
[07:17] <regeya_> indeed, ubuntu != debian, hth
[07:17] <setite> and i mean truly easy
[07:17] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, that's precisely what i'm asking. what do i have to change
[07:17] <setite> like just installing one file
[07:17] <biscuit_> Does anyone know how to use the Windows XP folder instead of the WINE default on WINE?
[07:17] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, ah ok
[07:17] <Razor-X> what's the command-line client to listen to podcasts?
[07:17] <biscuit_> pppconfig rules!
[07:17] <setite> all the mouse buttons i mean, on an mx-510
[07:17] <Razor-X> biscuit_: #wine
[07:17] <biscuit_> Ok
[07:17] <biscuit_> Thanks
[07:17] <rob^> Ubuntu just got a really good review in one of this months PC mags in Australia..
[07:17] <biscuit_> Umm
[07:18] <biscuit_> Yea
[07:18] <cafuego>  Which pc mag? APC?
[07:18] <BlazingSteakSauc> looks like im basicly screwed on getting online
[07:18] <biscuit_> Im already there
[07:18] <rob^> cafuego, no not apc (they have fedora on the cover), it wasnt pc authority either
[07:18] <rob^> another one, I forget the name
[07:18] <biscuit_> BlazingSteakSauc: whats wrong?
[07:19] <cafuego> rob^: yeh, APC is frighteningly windows/redhat-only focused.
[07:19] <setite> aol is evil
[07:19] <setite> get rid of them
[07:19] <calc> ClearTCP A network service that passes 8-bit raw data through a tunnel to the remote host without applying network protocols. Typically used by ISPs who provide ports to America Online (AOL) using the CVX switch. CVX switch supports clear and transparent TCP connections. Also referred to as TCP-Clear.  Though up by some guy on drugs
[07:22] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:22] <setite> thats so sad.. here you can get basic cable for 5 bucks more
[07:22] <Razor-X> what with my fiber optic lines
[07:22] <biscuit_> Razor-X: Earthlink dialup..... you poor poor soul
[07:22] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:22] <hybrid_goth> aol is internet w/training wheels
[07:22] <biscuit_> I live to far for DSL :-(
[07:22] <Razor-X> biscuit_: you know, Earthlink gives DSL, right?
[07:22] <BlazingSteakSauc> well when i get my wireless network funnun im looking for a hotspot to tap into
[07:22] <setite> dsl is lame
[07:22] <thechitowncubs> why is everyone still talking about aol
[07:22] <biscuit_> Yea
[07:22] <thechitowncubs> my god
[07:22] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:22] <Razor-X> setite: yeah, stick with your shitty cable
[07:22] <thechitowncubs> it doesn't deserve all this attention :)
[07:22] <biscuit_> Cable
[07:22] <biscuit_> Haha
[07:22] <setite> sprint has been promising dsl throughout vegas for years
[07:22] <Razor-X> sad thing is, Cable will never be as fast as DSL
[07:22] <calc> you can actually download the source for the aol dialer from linspire
[07:22] <Razor-X> XD
[07:22] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, um, thats because he doesnt have php installed.
[07:23] <calc> and then compile it yourself
[07:23] <calc> http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_details.php?product_id=12787&pg=specs
[07:23] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:23] <Razor-X> calc: exactly
[07:23] <biscuit_> Who would want it calc?
[07:23] <Razor-X> that's the dialer
[07:23] <rob^> calc, thats just dumb
[07:23] <setite> and they havent got it because they cant get it to work consistently withint a few miles of their datacenter
[07:23] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, he needs apache2-php-mod
[07:23] <BlazingSteakSauc> calc it wanted me to buy
[07:23] <setite> cable rocks it here
[07:23] <calc> biscuit_: whoever uses aol? :)
[07:23] <biscuit_> Everyone.. just use pppconfig for your dialup concerns
[07:23] <Razor-X> setite: Cable slows down when multiple users use the line
[07:23] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:23] <rob^> if you knew how to compile things, you wouldnt use aol
[07:23] <regeya_> j00 r s0 l33t
[07:23] <calc> BlazingSteakSauc: if you use linspire and want to get the deb you have to buy it maybe
[07:23] <setite> i get great speeds... i never get disconnected... and i dont have to live in the ghetto where the cable company is
[07:23] <Razor-X> DSL slows only when I use the phone, and only barely
[07:23] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, sorry, its libapache2-mod-php4
[07:23] <calc> BlazingSteakSauc: to get the source you just download the tar.gz and .dsc and extract and rebuild it
[07:23] <setite> where the phone company is i mean
[07:24] <regeya_> OMG LOL IHBT IMHO HTH HAND
[07:24] <Razor-X> so, if it's a busy night, 20 people on your block watching stuff, another 10 browsing/downloading, prepare for massive slowdown
[07:24] <biscuit_> BlazingSteakSauc.. just use pppconfig
[07:24] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, thanks
[07:24] <setite> nah not here
[07:24] <biscuit_> AOL is a mad resource hog
[07:24] <biscuit_> MAD MAD MAD!
[07:24] <BlazingSteakSauc> i'll try the pppconfig
[07:24] <Razor-X> SDSL kicks ass ;)
[07:24] <La_PaRCa> I wonder if its too late to call domino's...
[07:24] <setite> the lines are big enought that my speeds are the same no matter what time of day it is... the slowdown used to happen years ago
[07:24] <Razor-X> Cable can't even _touch_ SDSL
[07:24] <biscuit_> *Wishes he lived close enough for DSL
[07:24] <regeya_> l33t
[07:24] <biscuit_> FIBER OPTIC RULES!
[07:24] <setite> children... think you know it all
[07:24] <Razor-X> setite: and I use Fiber Optic DSL
[07:25] <biscuit_> But i don't have it....
[07:25] <regeya_> l33t l33t l33t
[07:25] <BlazingSteakSauc> biscuit_ i got enough space to habdle the little punk
[07:25] <Razor-X> comes with a rich house XD
[07:25] <aru_> I wish I could get something besides MSN :)
[07:25] <setite> cable is fiber optic too numbskull
[07:25] <calc> Razor-X: what speed SDSL?
[07:25] <biscuit_> BlazingSteakSauc: I have a P4 3.00 ghz proc w/ HT with 512 MB ram and it screwwd up my comp
[07:25] <Razor-X> setite: don't use your ``age == superiority'' to me
[07:25] <Razor-X> setite: depends on your location
[07:25] <calc> Razor-X: when i had SDSL it topped out at only ~ 1.1Mbps
[07:25] <Razor-X> calc: it can go much faster
[07:25] <regeya_> I don't have DSL, don't have DSL available, but my neighbors are several yards away.  I'm happy.
[07:25] <calc> Razor-X: but that was ~ 6-7 years ago
[07:25] <Razor-X> that's some slow SDSL shit
[07:25] <Tac> hey guys... the new version is about to be released and I havent gotten my batch of cds for this release..... should i be emailing someone to see if i got skipped? or are there just too many people wanting cds.....
[07:25] <setite> cox cable in vegas replaced all their lines with fiberoptics for more robust dependable service
[07:25] <BlazingSteakSauc> lol sucks for you aol has yet to get outa line on here
[07:25] <Razor-X> ahhh, ok
[07:26] <setite> and bla bla... so all i know is i get fast speeds always
[07:26] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:26] <regeya_> apt-zip is my friend.  go to work, plug in a usb drive, run the script, bring the debs home.  yay.
[07:26] <vladuz976> can someone help me please. i am getting errors trying to mount/format a new drive
[07:26] <Whistler> how can i clear apt-get cache?
[07:26] <biscuit_> Fiber Optic Still Rules!
[07:26] <setite> and the phone company cant get it right...
[07:26] <calc> supposedly sdsl tops out at 2320kbps 2.3Mbps
[07:26] <calc> according to wikipedia
[07:26] <regeya_> biscuit_ l33t l33t l33t
[07:26] <Razor-X> calc: exactly
[07:26] <calc> perhaps you didn't really have real sdsl?
[07:26] <biscuit_> Isn't FO connect at 100 mbps?
[07:26] <BlazingSteakSauc> i hope you got no rats biscuit_ or by by fiber
[07:26] <calc> 2.3Mbps is slow compared to cable
[07:26] <setite> problem with dsl is that it has distance limits
[07:26] <fortysixand2> Cox around here gets up to about 480KBps sustained downloads
[07:26] <biscuit_> BlazingSteakSauc: Ummmm.....
[07:26] <fortysixand2> my dad's DSL is shite in comparison
[07:26] <biscuit_> What does that even mean?
[07:27] <Razor-X> BlazingSteakSauc: if you can afford Fiber Optic, I don't think there'll be rats around
[07:27] <calc> fortysixand2: which is about 1.5x sdsl speed :)
[07:27] <setite> fortysixand2 same here... that and about 100kbps more on a good day
[07:27] <Whistler> i am using 128kbps
[07:27] <Whistler> :P
[07:27] <fortysixand2> lol
[07:27] <razerslut> is there a way to play shoutcast in linux?
[07:27] <BlazingSteakSauc> you ever hear of the country going fiber?
[07:27] <calc> fortysixand2: i get about the same from cox on their 4Mbps plan
[07:27] <BlazingSteakSauc> rats killed the plan
[07:27] <setite> and i get 80kbps upload to one person and up to 170kbps uploading on a torrent
[07:27] <regeya_> we all know that if you can afford fiber, not only do you not have rodents, but your fecal matter has no odor
[07:27] <biscuit_> I am using 56k with an average of 1 - 4 kbps!
[07:27] <GoRi||a> hey, i got a tvtuner card, and all the channels are off by one...its a brooktree based card
[07:27] <biscuit_> WOOT!
[07:27] <IIIEars> fortysixand2 - socal.rr.com gets about 600kbs
[07:27] <Razor-X> BlazingSteakSauc: I don't live in the country, thank god
[07:27] <GoRi||a> any ideas?
[07:27] <biscuit_> TAKE THAT!
[07:27] <BlazingSteakSauc> bit throught the fiber
[07:27] <biscuit_> Hey
[07:27] <fortysixand2> I am on the 4Mbps plan too
[07:27] <regeya_> biscuit_, same here
[07:27] <biscuit_> The country kicks but!
[07:27] <regeya_> indeed.
[07:27] <biscuit_> regeya: Do you have linuxant?
[07:28] <setite> im on whatever their mid plan is
[07:28] <Razor-X> biscuit_: yeah *cough hick *cough
[07:28] <fortysixand2> IIIEars:  is that a 4Mb plan?
[07:28] <BlazingSteakSauc> no as in hillbilly razor the who US was going to be fiber
[07:28] <vladuz976> can someone help please?
[07:28] <regeya_> biscuit_, good lord no.
[07:28] <setite> it used to be slower but they upped everyones plan
[07:28] <biscuit_> Razon-X: Lol... at least i won't get shot when i walk out my door :-P
[07:28] <calc> razerslut: just use any player to connect to the server
[07:28] <supernix> how safe are the backport mirror to have ?
[07:28] <biscuit_> regeya.. i do, can you help
[07:28] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:28] <Razor-X> biscuit_: I don't live in an urban metropolis
[07:28] <calc> razerslut: if you mean to stream yourself there is a sever called icecast that does it
[07:28] <regeya_> biscuit_, I just threw away a conexant modem
[07:28] <Razor-X> I hate those places
[07:28] <setite> thats southern cali road runner?
[07:28] <Razor-X> Suburban is the way to go
[07:28] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:28] <IIIEars> fortysixand2 - they promised speeds up to 3mbs a bit more cash and you will be promised 6mbs
[07:28] <Razor-X> SoCal just bites off us
[07:28] <Razor-X> most of 'em (not all) are beach idiots
[07:29] <biscuit_> But can you yell out loud wihout getting arrested?!?
[07:29] <Razor-X> still, lots o good programmers come from SoCal
[07:29] <Razor-X> biscuit_: yes
[07:29] <calc> BlazingSteakSauc: the whole country isn't going fiber to the curb for a very long time
[07:29] <regeya_> biscuit_, for full support you have to pay for a license, which stinks.  paying for a license for a cheap modem, versus buying a real modem...hm.
[07:29] <biscuit_> Doh!
[07:29] <supernix> this is what I am talking about http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/
[07:29] <biscuit_> regeya: Keygen...
[07:29] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:29] <fortysixand2> IIIEars: cox here only goes up to 5Mb.  But it's $15 more than 4Mb, and it's not worth it to me.
[07:29] <supernix> anyone else using those ?
[07:29] <biscuit_> But it takes my key
[07:29] <biscuit_> But then
[07:29] <biscuit_> It like
[07:29] <Razor-X> that, and my dad can afford a nice house ;) being a Mechanical Engineer and all
[07:29] <biscuit_> Still says its free
[07:29] <calc> BlazingSteakSauc: probably more than a decade away at minimum
[07:29] <biscuit_> ENGINEERING ALL THE WAY!
[07:29] <BlazingSteakSauc> they need to get the problem of rats chewing trhrough before they try again
[07:29] <regeya_> biscuit_, I have a cute little external modem that has an on-off switch, flashy lights, and plugs into a 9-pin serial port.
[07:29] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:30] <BlazingSteakSauc> they tried once and thong they did worked
[07:30] <biscuit_> Im really thinking about buying one when i get home from the BS National Scout Jambo
[07:30] <IIIEars> fortysixand2 - i have to agree. 600kbs is plenty fast for the occasional iso
[07:30] <biscuit_> How much was it
[07:30] <biscuit_> Ummm
[07:30] <fortysixand2> yup
[07:30] <BlazingSteakSauc> they covered it kevlar even
[07:30] <biscuit_> I would kill someone to get 600 kbps
[07:30] <setite> damnit i need to install flash too
[07:30] <setite> grrrrr
[07:30] <calc> at 400KBps you can download an iso in ~ 30min
[07:30] <biscuit_> THOUGH MY DIALUP ON WINDOWS RULZ
[07:30] <setite> they need one huge repo with everything you cna think of
[07:30] <biscuit_> I once got a d/l rate of 2,280 kbps!
[07:30] <biscuit_> So beat that!
[07:30] <calc> anything over that is plenty for most uses
[07:30] <biscuit_> Over Dialup!
[07:31] <regeya_> biscuit_, I would assume then that your keygen license is no good :-)  I don't remember how much my external was, biscuit_ plus I've had it for a while.
[07:31] <biscuit_> Woot!
[07:31] <IIIEars> calc - yep - few servers give you that much most are somewhere around 200kbs
[07:31] <calc> IIIEars: bittorrent :)
[07:31] <biscuit_> regeya: is that external modem any good
[07:31] <regeya_> heh
[07:31] <BlazingSteakSauc> biscuit_ i saw a cable line go to sub dialup while downloading
[07:31] <setite> well thats why you use flashget or reget or another download accelerator
[07:31] <regeya_> naw
[07:31] <fortysixand2> biscuit_:  difference between Kbps and KBps, you know
[07:31] <setite> so that you can bump back up to 400-500
[07:31] <BlazingSteakSauc> 500bps
[07:31] <biscuit_> ?
[07:31] <regeya_> 300 baud all the way BAYBEE
[07:31] <Razor-X> biscuit_: I don't want to be an engineer
[07:31] <calc> regeya_: no 110 baud? :)
[07:31] <Razor-X> my dad doesen't like what I want to be ;)
[07:31] <biscuit_> What do you want to be?
[07:32] <biscuit_> What is that?
[07:32] <regeya_> calc: now let's not be too silly
[07:32] <setite> biscuit... time for your ridalyn(s?)
[07:32] <Razor-X> I wanna sit on some university board and be a math professor ;)
[07:32] <setite> i keep forgetting how to spell that
[07:32] <fortysixand2> 2280 kbps = 285KBps
[07:32] <fortysixand2> that's slow
[07:32] <biscuit_> Yea
[07:32] <fortysixand2> :p
[07:32] <biscuit_> But over dialup
[07:32] <biscuit_> It's not
[07:32] <fortysixand2> ummmm
[07:32] <calc> regeya_: i have lots of 5.25" floppies laying next to me
[07:32] <fortysixand2> how?
[07:32] <biscuit_> I have no friggin clue
[07:32] <setite> i dont think dialup can physically handle that
[07:32] <BlazingSteakSauc> lol
[07:32] <calc> regeya_: i noticed earlier that one of them even is an original atari disk with their label on it
[07:32] <biscuit_> But that's the readout
[07:33] <biscuit_> 5.25 inch floppies RULED!
[07:33] <regeya_> calc: I have a box sitting on my desk, but mine were for an x86 tandy 1000.
[07:33] <biscuit_> THEY HAD THE STUPIDEST YET COOLEST GAMES!
[07:33] <regeya_> whee.
[07:33] <setite> well my ruler reads out that i have a 1 foot tool... but readings arent always accurate
[07:33] <setite> :)
[07:33] <calc> 8" floppies are too old for me, i've seen them before but never used a system that used them
[07:33] <BlazingSteakSauc> i use em but long time ago
[07:33] <Razor-X> biscuit_: dude, Space Taxi fscking pwnz!!!
[07:33] <biscuit_> Ummm
[07:33] <BlazingSteakSauc> i use only my usb stick were ever possible
[07:34] <biscuit_> All the way!
[07:34] <biscuit_> I never had that one
[07:34] <Razor-X> ok, I think we should shift the channel  back to #ubuntu and not #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:34] <sproingie> hey taxi!
[07:34] <BlazingSteakSauc> lol
[07:34] <regeya_> I remember an IBM word-processing system that was much larger than an XT that had internal dual 8" floppies.
[07:34] <regeya_> one drive had the software on it, the other was for data.
[07:34] <razerslut> There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg
[07:34] <Razor-X> on that note, I hate WYSIWYG word processing ;)
[07:34] <setite> where can i get a list of debian/ubuntu repos... preferrably 64bit
[07:34] <BlazingSteakSauc> anyone ever seen the firsr hd?
[07:34] <razerslut> what does this mean when trying to play a shotcast in rhythmbox?
[07:34] <regeya_> always look on the bright side of life
[07:34] <BlazingSteakSauc> 1meg and huge as crap
[07:35] <setite> is there non-wysiwyg work processors
[07:35] <Razor-X> setite: LaTeX
[07:35] <setite> i mean i never get more than what i see with notepad
[07:35] <biscuit_> Hmm
[07:35] <BlazingSteakSauc> my prof has one for show
[07:35] <regeya_> setite: what Razor-X said :-)
[07:35] <biscuit_> Well i guess i better get back to cracking hsfconfig
[07:35] <calc> biscuit_: fullheight 5.25" probably
[07:35] <sproingie> Razor-X: i'd hardly call latex a wp
[07:35] <biscuit_> Linxuant... grrr
[07:35] <setite> latex a repo list or a lame text editor
[07:35] <regeya_> if you like punishing yourself you could use groff
[07:35] <Razor-X> I write with LaTeX, only word I can call it is ``beautiful''
[07:35] <Razor-X> sproingie: it processess words, does it not?
[07:35] <Whistler> i have 128kbps and i have no chanses to have better
[07:35] <Whistler> =[
[07:36] <sproingie> Razor-X: one usually thinks of some sort of editor
[07:36] <BlazingSteakSauc> Whistler you can get better
[07:36] <BlazingSteakSauc> get hdsl
[07:36] <calc> back in 1994 i helped install a 250GB optical jukebox, took up two full racks
[07:36] <biscuit_> Umm
[07:36] <Whistler> hdsl?
[07:36] <Razor-X> usually, but usual and always is not the same
[07:36] <setite> omg... latex looks like something for a nerd to feel more special
[07:36] <biscuit_> Is ISDN anygood?
[07:36] <BlazingSteakSauc> highest grade of dsl
[07:36] <regeya_> setite: I agree.
[07:36] <sproingie> lout was popular for typesetting for a while
[07:36] <BlazingSteakSauc> isdn is old
[07:37] <calc> biscuit_: if you don't have broadband it is
[07:37] <setite> sorry but it seems to be a little overkill to use code or syntax for simple word processing
[07:37] <calc> biscuit_: 128kbps when you use both channels
[07:37] <sproingie> it didn't really catch on tho
[07:37] <Razor-X> and Word looks like something that retards use because of their brainlessness
[07:37] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:37] <Razor-X> i'm a nerd, and I don't deny it
[07:37] <setite> razor... you will learn this well one day
[07:37] <Razor-X> I wear math terms to school in big font on my chest
[07:37] <BlazingSteakSauc> atm is the best out there
[07:37] <setite> I once asked someone what makes native americans so special
[07:37] <regeya_> setite: bear in mind that latex is old, and that markup took the place of wysiwyg
[07:37] <biscuit_> YES
[07:37] <setite> i was told one thing...
[07:37] <Razor-X> and nobody can beat me up because i'm bigger than most ;)
[07:37] <calc> apparently isdn is very popular in germany
[07:37] <biscuit_> I HAVE AN IDEA *the first
[07:37] <Whistler> BlazingSteakSauc i dont think my telecom provides it
[07:37] <BlazingSteakSauc> its in the hunreds of MBS
[07:38] <setite> they have one of the most advanced languages of any peoples
[07:38] <calc> i remember seeing a pirate bbs listing it had isdn lines in very early 1990s
[07:38] <setite> to which i replied
[07:38] <BlazingSteakSauc> banks use it for obvious reasons
[07:38] <Razor-X> Word Processor: A word processor (also more formally known as a document preparation system) is a computer application used for the production (including composition, editing, formatting, and possibly printing) of any sort of viewable or printed material.
[07:38] <BlazingSteakSauc> all them credit cards
[07:38] <Razor-X> from Wikipedia
[07:38] <regeya_> setite: which natives?  I call B.S.  navaho, for example, has no concept of the hypothetical.
[07:38] <razerslut> There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg
[07:38] <setite> that is why when the "white-man" came they still had bows and arrows\
[07:38] <sproingie> Razor-X: it's already factually incorrect with respect to hardware WP's
[07:38] <razerslut> what does this mean inside rhythmbox?
[07:39] <BlazingSteakSauc> atm is probly too much for a common person to use
[07:39] <calc> razerslut: probably need to install gstreamer-mad
[07:39] <IIIEars> hehe BBS servers they were always busy (9600 modems) dial hang up dial hang up repeat...
[07:39] <setite> there are some bits of knowledge that are purely a waste of time
[07:39] <Razor-X> the advantages of LaTeX, is that, it can be converted to almost any documentation format on earth that's OS portable
[07:39] <Harold> Evening, all
[07:39] <setite> life is short... so think about what you seek to gain when you spend hours learning how to use a non-wysiwyg word editor...
[07:39] <regeya_> I learned that from a missionary who gave a talk in the four corners area who in a bible study section "now let's say Johnny got Judy pregnant..."
[07:39] <Razor-X> setite: and those who don't learn those pieces of knowledge eventually have those same bits bite them in the ass
[07:39] <setite> because you think me lazy, but i think your wasting time..
[07:40] <regeya_> and Johnny and Judy were people in the study group...you get the picture.
[07:40] <mike> anyone here use fwbuilder?
[07:40] <Razor-X> I'm lazy, lazier than most
[07:40] <setite> yes im sure not knowing how to use latex will bite me in the ass
[07:40] <Razor-X> but, I like knowing everything about what I use
[07:40] <DaSkreech> jeran_: WineX was renamed Cedega
[07:40] <setite> your how old
[07:40] <La_PaRCa> wow
[07:40] <Razor-X> 15 man, 15
[07:40] <La_PaRCa> xfce is wicked fast
[07:40] <razerslut> hi im having trouble playing shoutcast inside gnome, can someone help me?
[07:40] <Razor-X> my personal philosophy is that, from whta I use, I try and learn almost everything
[07:40] <biscuit_> How do you set so that Wine reads from the Windows XP folder (if its installed) or replace the fake one it makes
[07:40] <setite> thats like trying to learn how to make condoms so you can have sex
[07:40] <BlazingSteakSauc> xfce is in the ubuntu cd isn't it
[07:41] <IIIEars> Does wine work with files from  xp?
[07:41] <Razor-X> setite: anything wrong with that?
[07:41] <biscuit_> IIIEars: For me, no
[07:41] <Razor-X> oh -- I forgot
[07:41] <Harold> La_PaRCa, It's fast, isn't it?
[07:41] <regeya_> setite: I agree, but I use quarkxpress for a living and I think that's about as low-level as one needs to be for typesetting.  but bear in mind setite that latex was designed for terminal/text editor use and that it's designed to make most manual typesetting such as footnotes, TOCs, etc. easy.
[07:41] <biscuit_> Though im trying to work on it so it will
[07:41] <BlazingSteakSauc> IIIEars i found some files will
[07:41] <Razor-X> America has made it a status symbol that increases the more you don't know
[07:41] <biscuit_> Yes
[07:41] <biscuit_> Some will
[07:41] <La_PaRCa> Harold, it is, it is
[07:41] <setite> yes... when a girl sees you trying to make condoms... shell run off with the guy who has a few ready-made ones in his waller
[07:41] <setite> wallet*
[07:41] <IIIEars> biscuit - that helps - thanks
[07:41] <k-0tik> has anyone here  used fwbuilder?
[07:41] <BlazingSteakSauc> doom3 ain't one of em
[07:41] <Razor-X> the more idiotic you are the ``cooler'' you are
[07:41] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:41] <Harold> Anyone: Know how to get a pcmcia usb 2.0 card recognized/working?
[07:41] <Razor-X> setite: I don't care about sex, you know?
[07:41] <Razor-X> *gasp*
[07:41] <biscuit_> Halo isn't one of them either, or Dreamweaver, or Flash MX
[07:42] <biscuit_> Or Juno
[07:42] <setite> kids these days... next subject
[07:42] <biscuit_> *trying to think what else he tried
[07:42] <IIIEars> ebaying an old '98 disk sounds like whats needed
[07:42] <biscuit_> Or the AIM INSTALLER!
[07:42] <regeya_> Razor-X, could you mention this to any GNOME devs you may know?    How do I get my pc card to work on Ubuntu?   Woot *Sarcasm
[07:44] <setite> supirior?
[07:44] <setite> wow
[07:44] <Madpilot> hi again all... you know there is #ubuntu-offtopic on which to discuss the sexual preferences of your favourite programs... ;)
[07:44] <BlazingSteakSauc> i know my spelling is not good
[07:44] <setite> hey slut... dont spam... we heard you the first time
[07:44] <Harold> Anyone: Do I need to install more drivers to get a USB 2.0 pc card to work in Ubuntu?
[07:44] <IIIEars> razerslut -adding the python extension for your music player may help on a fresh install
[07:44] <razerslut> iiiears: how will i do that?
[07:44] <regeya_> heh Madpilot
[07:45] <BlazingSteakSauc> unless im doing something for a class i don't care if it is right as long as the point gets across
[07:45] <jasoncohen> that's strange. when i install libapache-mod-php4 on ubuntu php4.load and php4.conf are not added to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled as they are in debian
[07:45] <jasoncohen> any reason why
[07:45] <jasoncohen> this would explain why it doesn't know what to do with php files
[07:45] <IIIEars> synaptic search your music player name and add the musicplayer-py
[07:45] <setite> ubuntu hoary did 2 things to make my life easier... it figured out how to make my resolution work... and music works too without extra downloads
[07:46] <razerslut> iiiears: what is synaptic search, i dont know
[07:46] <setite> now i just need to get all my mouse keys mapped... and find some better repos
[07:46] <regeya_> I used to love LyX, used it for some papers in college, and I recently realized that modern wordprocessors tend to have most the whizbang features that used to be unique to latex/lyx built in now...then again, I don't write papers these days, and rarely need to use a WP...meh...I'm done.
[07:46] <setite> and i need to get some equalizer presets.. ebcause this sounds horrible
[07:46] <biscuit_> *I need a life...
[07:47] <IIIEars> yes sysnaptic 16,000 apps available for ubuntu just bring it up. - grin
[07:47] <BlazingSteakSauc> so Cedega works with guildwars
[07:47] <razerslut> what is the best mediaplayer for ubuntu linux?
[07:47] <razerslut> iiiears: awesome, thank you.
[07:47] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:47] <Flying-Penguin> I just switched from a 9800 to a nvidia 6600 and now my cedega games don't work :( can anyone tell me how to make sure all parts of my drivers are working properly?
[07:47] <biscuit_> In theory
[07:47] <biscuit_> WINE could work with WinGames
[07:47] <rob^> razerslut, totem-xine
[07:47] <biscuit_> BlazingSteakSauc: You have GW?
[07:47] <BlazingSteakSauc> yup
[07:47] <biscuit_> Awesome
[07:47] <biscuit_> That game rulez
[07:48] <BlazingSteakSauc> yeah
[07:48] <BlazingSteakSauc> i can't find a good team for my mage to do the asencion trials though
[07:48] <biscuit_> Hmm
[07:48] <biscuit_> Im at the Aurora Glade.. not that far yet
[07:48] <razerslut> rob: even for music?
[07:48] <biscuit_> Ima mage too.. it can be tough
[07:49] <biscuit_> Try to get a lot of monks and tanks
[07:49] <k-0tik> nobody here uses fwbuilder!@
[07:49] <k-0tik> ?
[07:49] <BlazingSteakSauc> my war is past there
[07:49] <BlazingSteakSauc> biscuit_ im a e/mo in gw
[07:49] <biscuit_> E/R
[07:49] <biscuit_> In GW
[07:49] <BlazingSteakSauc> and a w/e
[07:49] <IIIEars> monks and tanks sounds like a 20th century crusade.
[07:49] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:50] <setite> blazing do you have cedega
[07:50] <BlazingSteakSauc> w/mo is a stupid combo
[07:50] <BlazingSteakSauc> no
[07:50] <sproingie> i'm picturing a guy in a brown robe poking his head out of a m1a1
[07:50] <biscuit_> Cedega....
[07:50] <IIIEars> rofl
[07:50] <setite> im pissed... i renewed my subscription and half the site says im subscribed.. the other half says i need to subscribe
[07:50] <setite> so i cant download
[07:50] <rob^> !cedega
[07:50] <ubotu> cedega is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[07:50] <biscuit_> Why waste money on it
[07:51] <setite> its 5$ a month...
[07:51] <setite> i can spart that
[07:51] <biscuit_> Yea
[07:51] <biscuit_> But
[07:51] <IIIEars> does cedega work with files from XP?
[07:51] <setite> no buts
[07:51] <biscuit_> Thats $60 less you had
[07:51] <sproingie> "brother jerome, enemy sighted, load ordnance and position for fire"
[07:51] <biscuit_> And when in theory you good run those games from WINE
[07:51] <biscuit_> But it would take some work
[07:51] <BlazingSteakSauc> biscuit_ what version of gw did you getr
[07:51] <setite> i waste alot of money
[07:51] <IIIEars> Amen! - praise the lord and pass the ammunition...
[07:51] <biscuit_> Version?
[07:51] <setite> plus i liek to support the cedega team
[07:51] <biscuit_> Isn't there only one?
[07:51] <Agrajag> "brother mhenlo, call in air support!"
[07:52] <BlazingSteakSauc> no
[07:52] <setite> thats what my measley sacrifice
[07:52] <BlazingSteakSauc> the collector has some added stuff
[07:52] <setite> haha i like mhenlo
[07:52] <biscuit_> Like Standard and Collectory
[07:52] <biscuit_> Oh
[07:52] <biscuit_> I have Standard
[07:52] <setite> i havent played taht game in a bit
[07:52] <BlazingSteakSauc> all my chars have a glow of the hands
[07:52] <sproingie> i think in the OGRE universe, the vatican has their own ogres
[07:52] <sproingie> painted in the swiss guard colors
[07:52] <IIIEars> What is "GW"?
[07:52] <biscuit_> Wicked
[07:53] <BlazingSteakSauc> Guild Wars
[07:53] <IIIEars> Ah - thanks
[07:53] <IIIEars> better than everquest?
[07:53] <BlazingSteakSauc> right now i wish i had yahoo dsl
[07:53] <setite> i love linux but i wish it didnt appear to be the poor mans OS
[07:53] <BlazingSteakSauc> you mean evercrack don't you
[07:53] <sproingie> IIIEars: depends on what you like about mmorpg's
[07:53] <IIIEars> (haven't tried any mmorpg's)
[07:54] <BlazingSteakSauc> gw makers claim it to be a corpg
[07:54] <setite> guildwars is the best ive played of the whole medieval thing
[07:54] <setite> CoH is my fave though
[07:54] <BlazingSteakSauc> lame name change for the class
[07:55] <sproingie> IIIEars: me neither.  tho GW is more like an online game like diablo than a MMORPG.  instanced, not shared with everyone
[07:55] <setite> the realms are instanced... but its still an mmo i think
[07:55] <setite> whats the c stand for
[07:55] <biscuit_> Lol
[07:55] <biscuit_> Well
[07:55] <biscuit_> Blazing
[07:55] <biscuit_> It is a CoRPG
[07:55] <Agrajag> cooperative
[07:55] <biscuit_> Hey brb
[07:55] <sproingie> IIIEars: the other non-mmorpg like thing about it being that online is free.  you just buy the game
[07:55] <BlazingSteakSauc> coop rpg is the so calle dname
[07:55] <setite> oh... i see the distinction
[07:55] <setite> yea i can half agree with that
[07:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> i don't
[07:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> you got henchmen you can hire so how can it be a corpg
[07:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> co needs players and it is not set were you must use players
[07:56] <setite> god so picky
[07:57] <jasoncohen> for some reason in debian, when libapache-mod-php4 is added, php4.load and php4.conf are added to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled. the same isnt done in ubuntu so it doesn't know what to do with php files
[07:57] <BlazingSteakSauc> its the reality of it
[07:57] <IIIEars> just took a peek - subscription sites may be okay for some. - i change games a lot. (FPS Fanatic)
[07:57] <jasoncohen> which is pretty dumb. if you're installing libapache-mod-php4 it serves to reason you want php support, heh
[07:58] <IIIEars> GW - may be a good start at mmorpg
[07:59] <BlazingSteakSauc> i still prefer NWN over GW for game play
[07:59] <BlazingSteakSauc> very open in what you can do it has a moduale creator with it for custome games
[07:59] <daniels> i think discussions of various games are offtopic here
[07:59] <daniels> can you please move them to #ubuntu-offtopic or somewhere else?
[08:00] <Whistler> how to i start ssh server on my system?
[08:00] <BlazingSteakSauc> why no one is asking an ubuntu question really
[08:00] <setite> whoever posted the ubuntu cedega cvs link thanks
[08:00] <biscuit_> Grrrr
[08:00] <daniels> Whistler: install openssh-server
[08:00] <BlazingSteakSauc> lol
[08:00] <biscuit_> *Is now convinced investing in a external modem is the best thing to do
[08:00] <daniels> BlazingSteakSauc: huge discussions of games discourage on-topic conversation
[08:01] <setite> shit the instlaler errored
[08:01] <setite> grr
[08:01] <IIIEars> just have to try it  guess. - look for me next week iiiears-something-or-other
[08:01] <biscuit_> Darn Linuxant
[08:01] <setite> --------- Error log - file /home/setite/.WineCVS/sources/cvscedega/ErrorLog : ---------
[08:01] <setite> /home/setite/.WineCVS/Functions/RunWineCVS: line 728: cvs: command not found
[08:01] <BlazingSteakSauc> if none asking a question we might as well talk on something
[08:01] <razerslut> how difficult is it to change folder icons under gnome?
[08:01] <setite> Error in CVS checkout
[08:01] <setite> Try fixing the error based on the output above, and
[08:01] <setite> run the script again, without paramaters (Eg: WineCVS.sh)
[08:01] <La_PaRCa> setite, apt-get install cvs
[08:01] <BlazingSteakSauc> now peeps start to ask again
[08:02] <biscuit_> Lol
[08:02] <setite> thanks la parca
[08:02] <razerslut> how difficult is it to change folder icons under gnome?
[08:02] <biscuit_> How do i get WINE to read from another Windows foler (Like the Windows XP that i copied onto linux)?
[08:02] <IIIEars> razerslut - not too difficult - a few choices included in ubuntu already. there are others and tips about installing on gnomelook.org
[08:02] <razerslut> alright thank you
[08:02] <razerslut> this really is a good support channel, you guys have helped me with everything i needed.
[08:02] <razerslut> good job.
[08:03] <dabaR> thanksa
[08:03] <setite> shit i dont have a c compiler
[08:03] <dabaR> it sucks as a channel, but ok.
[08:03] <setite> thats screwy
[08:03] <IIIEars> Welcome to Ubuntu! ("Windows users" "linux community")
[08:03] <dabaR> setite install it/.
[08:03] <biscuit_> Anyone have any suggestions on my prob?
[08:03] <setite> yea i know
[08:03] <dabaR> haha
[08:03] <setite> apt-get install gcc
[08:03] <setite> is that sufficient?
[08:03] <dabaR> I dont haev any
[08:04] <dabaR> !info build-essential
[08:04] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[08:04] <supernix> Hi can someone tell me why Kubuntu erased my change in the dns server section of the network section ? I added localhost but it got erased somehow and I am using dhcp to connect to the net with my cable modem
[08:04] <HrdwrBoB> dhcp automatically updates your DNS
[08:04] <dabaR> setite: grab that
[08:04] <supernix> hmmm HrdwrBoB so it will always erase my changes then correct ?
[08:05] <setite> jesus so many erros
[08:05] <setite> i guess i should have got all the apps it said i would need
[08:05] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[08:05] <setite> i thought i did
[08:05] <HrdwrBoB> you can do it manually though
[08:05] <dabaR> with apt? for build essential, or for teh compilation?
[08:05] <IIIEars> DHCP is a nice convenience. - is it a security risk?
[08:05] <setite> ok i have to do this
[08:05] <setite> apt-get install cvs build-essential bison flex-old libasound2-dev x-window-system-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg62-dev libfreetype6-dev libxrender-dev libttf2 libttf-dev libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev libsdl-net1.2-dev libsdl-gfx1.2-dev msttcorefonts libfontconfig1-dev
[08:05] <setite> but i get an error
[08:05] <supernix> HrdwrBoB: how can I make the addition of localhost permanent in the dns selection ?
[08:05] <setite> E: Couldn't find package libsdl-ttf2.0-dev
[08:06] <setite> so i need a better repo?
[08:06] <HrdwrBoB> supernix: to be honest, I'm not sure
[08:06] <supernix> ok thanks for your assistance HrdwrBoB
[08:07] <setite> anyone knwo where i can find that
[08:07] <dabaR> setite: add universe
[08:07] <setite> libsdl-ttf2.0-dev
[08:07] <setite> ok
[08:07] <dabaR> !repositories
[08:07] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:07] <setite> god i feel so stupid... i learned all this on warty and forgot
[08:08] <dabaR> its same
[08:08] <dabaR> why gettinng all that?
[08:09] <BlazingSteakSauc> im gonna go try to get this working
[08:09] <setite> thanks ubotu.. i know how to add repos.. i just forgot that there were extras on the current one
[08:09] <setite> perfect.. the universe did the trick
[08:09] <setite> god i love this room
[08:10] <thechitowncubs> setite: good
[08:10] <setite> i also love ubuntu
[08:10] <mathwizxp> hey. that's my song
[08:10] <thechitowncubs> setite: don't get too excited
[08:10] <setite> man i wouldnt have touched windows since 95 had i known about his when i tried redhat so many years ago
[08:10] <setite> i wont get too excited
[08:10] <dabaR> ok
[08:11] <La_PaRCa> setite, um, ubotu is a bot by the way
[08:11] <setite> but every single breakthrough.. no matter how small is still somethign
[08:11] <setite> ok...
[08:11] <kertrats> I have a question
[08:11] <dabaR> no
[08:11] <setite> oh thats what all the ! were for
[08:11] <setite> !ubuntu
[08:11] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'.
[08:11] <kertrats> when I was running windows, my computer shut down automatically if it got too hot
[08:11] <setite> haha nice answer
[08:11] <setite> !woman
[08:11] <ubotu> setite: I haven't a clue
[08:11] <setite> haha!
[08:11] <setite> nice
[08:11] <setite> !ubotu
[08:11] <ubotu> hmm... ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!
[08:11] <kertrats> will it still do that on ubntu?
[08:12] <setite> kertrats i think so.. thats a bios setting is it not
[08:12] <IIIEars> Ubotu you are a genius! - sly grin
[08:12] <ubotu> IIIEars: what are you talking about?
[08:12] <setite> on my overclocking mobo it is
[08:12] <kertrats> I thought so, but I figured I would check
[08:12] <La_PaRCa> !ubotu woman is a thing men tend to not understand
[08:12] <ubotu> La_PaRCa: okay
[08:12] <razerslut> can someone walk me through changing my logins and slash screens in gnome, or point me to a howto for it?
[08:12] <setite> ubotu i love you
[08:12] <Madpilot> !good bot
[08:12] <ubotu> No idea, setite
[08:12] <ubotu> thanks madpilot :)
[08:12] <kertrats> because I don't want to break the computer :(
[08:12] <La_PaRCa> !woman
[08:12] <ubotu> I guess woman is a thing men tend to not understand
[08:12] <La_PaRCa> perfect!
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> you should probably forget that
[08:13] <thechitowncubs> !woman
[08:13] <setite> yea well because pcs cost money i cant guarantee
[08:13] <setite> but from my overclocking knowledge its a hardware setting that monitors temps
[08:13] <thechitowncubs> !amarok
[08:13] <ubotu> [amarok]  a music player for Linux and Unix with an intuitive interface. amaroK makes playing the music you love easier than ever before - and looks good doing it. See http://amarok.kde.org ; amaroK's features: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/
[08:13] <thechitowncubs> wow
[08:13] <jblu> bob2 are you on?
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> you'll get yelled at for putting in stuff like that
[08:13] <setite> you can customize in windows to a even safer temp.. but at a certain temp your motherboard will force your pc to shut down
[08:13] <razerslut> can someone walk me through changing my logins and slash screens in gnome, or point me to a howto for it?
[08:13] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, who is ever gonna ask that tho?
[08:13] <Madpilot> you can also talk to the bot privately - just "/msg ubotu <foo>"
[08:13] <thechitowncubs> !audioscrobbler
[08:13] <ubotu> thechitowncubs: Wish i knew
[08:14] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: the ! things are all listed
[08:14] <aru> is there a way to make ubuntu autologin to a certian user?
[08:14] <Madpilot> http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:14] <setite> no!!!!
[08:14] <setite> it still errored after all that
[08:14] <setite> ::tear::
[08:14] <dabaR> razerslut: well, art.gnome.org has faqs for that stuff, but, dont post twice, also, and loginscrenn is changed in the system menu
[08:14] <setite> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/setite/.WineCVS/sources/cvscedega/winex/unicode'
[08:14] <setite> make: *** [unicode/libwine_unicode.so]  Error 2
[08:14] <setite> Error in Make
[08:14] <thechitowncubs> !audioscrobbler is a music service that builds a profile of your musical taste using a plugin for your media player
[08:14] <ubotu> okay, thechitowncubs
[08:14] <thechitowncubs> !audioscrobbler
[08:14] <ubotu> well, audioscrobbler is a music service that builds a profile of your musical taste using a plugin for your media player
[08:15] <thechitowncubs> good job
[08:15] <La_PaRCa> Madpilot, thats a biiiigggg list
[08:15] <jcapote> last question before I install, how long does the average ubuntu install take?
[08:15] <setite> fast
[08:15] <Burgundavia> 45 minutes
[08:15] <La_PaRCa> jcapote, 20 to 40 mins
[08:15] <dabaR> half hour. depends on cd reading speed, too.
[08:15] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: the most recent stuff is on top of the first page, and it's searchable
[08:15] <jcapote> 1.6ghz pentium m, 512 ram
[08:15] <thechitowncubs> jcapote: what kind of processer?
[08:15] <setite> took me around 15 mins
[08:15] <setite> but i have a fast pc though
[08:15] <thechitowncubs> jcapote: i'd give it 20min
[08:15] <jcapote> ok
[08:15] <jcapote> ill time it
[08:15] <aru> jcapote: I can smoke two cigarettes during the install on my 1GHz amd laptop
[08:15] <aru> that help?
[08:15] <thechitowncubs> jcapote: i'd like to know the results
[08:16] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa:  oddball stuff is sometimes cleaned off the bot's list
[08:16] <setite> anyoen knwo what that libwine error is
[08:16] <setite> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/setite/.WineCVS/sources/cvscedega/winex/unicode'
[08:16] <setite> make: *** [unicode/libwine_unicode.so]  Error 2
[08:16] <setite> Error in Make
[08:16] <jasoncohen> does anyone else notice that after libapache-mod-php4 is installed, php doesn't work? i tried the simple example on http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installphpapache and it just tried to open testphp.php in gedit
[08:16] <aru> I dunno, paste it a few more times...
[08:16] <thechitowncubs> please don't paste code in here setite
[08:16] <thechitowncubs> use http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:16] <setite> ../include/winbase.h:1499: error: syntax error before '*' token
[08:16] <setite> thats just one line
[08:17] <setite> i wont post multi lines
[08:17] <La_PaRCa> jasoncohen, its libapache2-mod-php4
[08:17] <jblu> question please
[08:17] <thechitowncubs> !abiword
[08:17] <ubotu> thechitowncubs: No idea
[08:17] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, oh, heh
[08:17] <dabaR> jblu: no.
[08:17] <jblu> does someone know if laserjet 1022 has a driver
[08:17] <La_PaRCa> jblu, here you go, this one is for you. ?
[08:18] <jblu> yes
[08:18] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, that worked, thanks
[08:18] <La_PaRCa> !linuxprinting
[08:18] <ubotu> La_PaRCa: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:18] <thechitowncubs> !abiword is a Gnome/GTK based word processor for more information goto: http://www.abisource.com/information/about/
[08:18] <ubotu> thechitowncubs: okay
[08:18] <jblu> just bought it today
[08:18] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, ubuntuguide just says to install php4 which depends on libapache-mod-php4
[08:18] <La_PaRCa> ubotu linuxprinting is http://www.linuxprinting.org
[08:18] <ubotu> La_PaRCa: okay
[08:18] <thechitowncubs> !abiword
[08:18] <ubotu> methinks abiword is a Gnome/GTK based word processor for more information goto: http://www.abisource.com/information/about/
[08:19] <La_PaRCa> jblu, check linuxprinting.org
[08:19] <jblu> yes, found some nasty remarks from others, and some tries at hacking, nothing recent
[08:19] <setite> !woman is a complex, evil, seductive creature
[08:19] <ubotu> ...but woman is already something else...
[08:19] <setite> !woman
[08:19] <ubotu> hmm... woman is a thing men tend to not understand
[08:19] <setite> oh someone beat me to that
[08:20] <setite> but i tried that like 5 mins ago
[08:20] <jblu> I think I should return it!
[08:20] <setite> !knob
[08:20] <ubotu> setite: I don't know
[08:20] <setite> !windows
[08:20] <ubotu> rumour has it, windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[08:20] <bob2> jblu: ?
[08:20] <jblu> yes
[08:20] <Computer__Guru> you guys should stop putting stuff int he bot.. ur gonna get yelled at
[08:20] <dabaR> please message the bot
[08:20] <dabaR> if you wanna talk to him
[08:20] <setite> !bill gates
[08:20] <ubotu> setite: I give up, what is it?
[08:20] <setite> !billgates
[08:20] <ubotu> Wish i knew, setite
[08:21] <setite> !devil
[08:21] <ubotu> setite: Wish i knew
[08:21] <La_PaRCa> jblu, should be detected automatically by cups methinks.
[08:21] <Burgundavia> setite, please stop filling the bot with useless information and flooding the channel
[08:21] <jblu> I just bought a laserjet 1022 today, can't find a driver,
[08:21] <thechitowncubs> setite: what are you doing?
[08:21] <setite> i fed him one thing
[08:21] <setite> i was seeing what the bot knew about windows
[08:21] <jblu> It stops at laserjet 1015
[08:21] <setite> i was dissappointed with the bill gates answer i must say
[08:21] <La_PaRCa> setite, you can do all that via private message
[08:21] <dabaR>  /msg ubotu bill gates
[08:21] <Madpilot> setite: "/msg ubotu <foo>" for a non-flooding chat
[08:21] <jcapote> ok guys im off to install ubuntu
[08:22] <dabaR> see ya
[08:22] <dabaR> soon when you need help
[08:22] <IIIEars> thechitowncubs - music for IRC xmms to X-Chat 1.0a (Not for #Ubuntu of course)
[08:22] <thechitowncubs> good job on the google
[08:22] <La_PaRCa> jblu, have you tried with any of the other laserjets drivers?
[08:22] <Computer__Guru> setite: not everybody int he open source community views microsoft as 'the enemy' or something evil and bent on worldwide domination.. we just don't see their products as worthy of the purchase price
[08:23] <Ali`G> hey all
[08:23] <Ali`G>   Tcl cannot be found on this system.
[08:23] <Ali`G>   Eggdrop requires Tcl to compile. If you already have Tcl installed on
[08:23] <Ali`G>   this system, and I just wasn't looking in the right place for it, re-run
[08:23] <_ryan> if anyone could advice me on this seemingly simple error (on my part), it would be much appreciated. I uploaded the text to a webpage so I don't clutter the channel: http://www.freewebs.com/ryanazar/please_help.html
[08:23] <Ali`G>   ./configure using the --with-tcllib='/path/to/libtcl.so' and
[08:23] <Ali`G>   --with-tclinc='/path/to/tcl.h' options.
[08:23] <Ali`G>   See doc/COMPILE-GUIDE's 'Tcl Detection and Installation' section for more
[08:23] <Ali`G>   information.
[08:23] <Ali`G> where do i get it from
[08:23] <jblu> It doesn't see the usb, I read something about it being funky code involving usb
[08:23] <aru> I hate you
[08:23] <jblu> for this model
[08:23] <proof_of_death> me too
[08:23] <dataangel> I'm trying to build an X11 app and I'm getting this error: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11" But I have libx11-dev and x-dev installed. What am I missing?
[08:24] <La_PaRCa> jblu, sorry, I dont know about this specific model.
[08:24] <proof_of_death> is this what people do on the ubuntu server? just sit here and spam with their problems?
[08:24] <jblu> but it's over my head!  I think it's going back
[08:24] <_ryan> proof_of_death: isn't that what it is for?
[08:24] <Agrajag> this isn't an ubuntu server
[08:24] <La_PaRCa> Ali`G, apt-get install tcl
[08:24] <liraz> I'm having some trouble with booting into windows. There is no option in the grub menu... so basically what I'm wondering is how do I tell the number of a hardrive. I have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb(both big sata drives). windows is installed on /dev/sdb(first partition). I'm guessing that it would be root(hd,1,0) but I honestly am not sure :/
[08:24] <Agrajag> this is a channel on freenode, which probably runs on several OSes
[08:24] <jblu> thnx La_paRCa
[08:24] <_ryan> if anyone can suggest a place for me to go to get help, i would be happy to go elsewhere.
[08:24] <Burgundavia> Agrajag, yes it is
[08:25] <Agrajag> Burgundavia: every node on freenode runs ubuntu?
[08:25] <proof_of_death> *checks url* oh. well then. i just clicked "ubuntu servers" in x-chat. i didn't bother to look at the address :-X
[08:25] <Burgundavia> Agrajag, no
[08:25] <jblu> u2 bob2
[08:25] <Burgundavia> Agrajag, that link in xchat just goes here, to make it easy for new people
[08:25] <_ryan> i do not want to disturb others, i just need help for my question :X
[08:25] <Agrajag> ahahahaha wow
[08:25] <Agrajag> I never knew they had that, I already had a .xchat
[08:26] <_ryan> i am guessing this isn't the place to get help, I appologize.
[08:26] <_ryan> talk to yall later
[08:26] <Agrajag> yeah it is
[08:26] <_ryan> it is? :X
[08:26] <Agrajag> who said it wasn't?
[08:26] <La_PaRCa> _ryan, what is your question?
[08:27] <proof_of_death> yes. i was just unaware. consider me enlightened
[08:27] <dataangel> liraz: I think you want root(hd1,0)
[08:27] <dataangel> liraz: No harm in trying it I think, don't think trying to boot off something nonbootable will mess up anything.
[08:27] <La_PaRCa> this is the ubuntu support channel after all
[08:27] <dataangel> liraz: Notice there's only 1 comma, too
[08:27] <liraz> dataangel, right. Just wondering though how the numbering works - fdisk -l wont give me numbers etc
[08:27] <liraz> yep ;)
[08:27] <_ryan> La_PaRCa: I am trying to compile a simple program and gcc is giving me a few errors, i set up a small log showing what gcc spit out and what command i used here: http://www.freewebs.com/ryanazar/please_help.html
[08:28] <setite> whats that ubuntu pastebin again
[08:28] <La_PaRCa> _ryan, ok. That is helpful.
[08:28] <_ryan> La_PaRCa: thanks for taking the time ( :
[08:28] <dataangel> liraz: Grub is funky because it uses it's own numbering scheme I'm pretty sure hdX corresponds to drive number X. So /dev/sdb would be your second drive, which in 0 based counting makes it hd1, and first partition is partition 0, so that seems right.
[08:28] <pax> liraz: for numbers, run the command grub and use tabbing
[08:29] <proof_of_death> i don't believe includes are supposed to have those () around them
[08:29] <proof_of_death> i write C++, and i've never seen that. at most ""
[08:29] <_ryan> proof_of_death: this i am aware, if i used normal braces it would comment them out in the html
[08:29] <dataangel> La_Parca: Next time use www.rafb.net/paste It's setup exactly for that purpose, save yourself some time :)
[08:30] <_ryan> dataangel: thanks for the link :D
[08:30] <dataangel> La_Parca: Do you have libx11-dev installed?
[08:30] <jblu> what is the correct # setting for files in ~home?  My copied music and docs all have locks and sudo chown doesn't change it.
[08:30] <liraz> dataangel, ok. let me try re-work my grub.conf then
[08:30] <liraz> just moved from fedora
[08:30] <dataangel> La_Parca: It'll also let you keep the <> ;) But for future reference you can use those in HTML, just put < > (lt for less than, gt for greater than) Not too bad if you use find replace
[08:30] <jblu> I have to change one by one
[08:31] <_ryan> dataangle: the question is not la parca's, it is mine
[08:31] <dataangel> _ryan: Doh, read you addressing him :P
[08:31] <_ryan> dataangle: but tahnks for the tips :-D
[08:31] <dataangel> ;)
[08:31] <dataangel> liraz: If you still have a grub.conf from fedora, you can use that as a reference
[08:32] <La_PaRCa> _ryan haha... libx11-dev is the way to go
[08:32] <La_PaRCa> dataangel, thanks
[08:32] <Razor-X> back
[08:32] <_ryan> La_PaRCa: but i have the header files in the folder, is that not correct?
[08:32] <dataangel> liraz: I find it useful when I'm trying different distributions if I find one that 'just works' when I install to backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /boot/grub/grub.conf and any other settings files that maybe tricky.
[08:33] <razerslut> can someone tell me how to install a gtk theme?
[08:34] <_ryan> La_PaRCa: in addition, i just checked synaptic and it says libx11-dev is installed.
[08:34] <holycow> download one from art.gnome.org
[08:34] <holycow> then
[08:34] <holycow> open up the theme dialog, and select install
[08:34] <liraz> dataangel, long story short - I reformatted, tried to reinstall fedora with faulty .iso. Dont want to re-download so I'm using ubuntu ;)
[08:34] <setite> http://www.freewebs.com/maddmarshall/cedegacvs.html
[08:34] <liraz> I was silly not to back up my good configs
[08:35] <IIIEars> "Themes" app in ubuntu allows some themes to be added by dragging and dropping them. - nice
[08:35] <nomasteryoda> liraz, but now you have fun Ubuntu
[08:35] <nomasteryoda> =)
[08:35] <La_PaRCa> _ryan, however, you are calling X11/Xlib.h
[08:35] <La_PaRCa> _ryan, and the header file is in the same folder as what you are compiling
[08:35] <razerslut> iiiears: dragging from where to where?
[08:35] <razerslut> whenever i try to use the theme dialouge i get invalid file format
[08:36] <Razor-X> nomasteryoda: is there a reason you prepended a ``no'' before ``masteryoda''?
[08:36] <Razor-X> like, are you Sidious? ;)
[08:36] <_ryan> La_PaRCa: they are copies. i put them in there because i kept getting that error when i tried to build. the real files are in /usr/X11R6/include/X11/
[08:37] <IIIEars> razerslut  preferences > Theme > Theme Details
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> Razor-X, lol... nah, just when Luke said, "I can't lift the X-wing"... no, master yoda
[08:37] <Razor-X> nomasteryoda: ohhh, ;)
[08:37] <Razor-X> I rewatched the OT again
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> ty
[08:37] <La_PaRCa> _ryan, I am not sure then. You'll have to ask someone that knows a little more about c
[08:37] <dataangel> Anyone know why ld can't find -lX11 even though I have the x11-dev package installed?
[08:37] <La_PaRCa> _ryan, and ubuntu and X programming
[08:37] <Razor-X> it's nowhere near as good as PT, IMO, but hell, I grew up in the PT Generation
[08:37] <_ryan> La_PaRCa: thankyou for you're time :-D
[08:38] <nomasteryoda> dataangel, did you do ldconfig
[08:38] <Razor-X> dataangel: I think you need the X.org ones too
[08:38] <Razor-X> I have the X dev libraries, just don't remember what the package name was
[08:39] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell me about cedega
[08:39] <Razor-X> anyone here listen to podcasts?
[08:39] <dataangel> Razor-X: apt-cache search xorg doesn't bring up any xorg-dev packages. I just did sudo ldconfig, didn't seem to help. Hrm... maybe I have to start a new shell...
[08:39] <Razor-X> !cedega
[08:39] <ubotu> I heard cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[08:39] <ws008> hai
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> wow guys tonight is nice... kicken back after my days work and smoking my ever so great concoction of pipe tobacco and salvia.
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> indeed its great
[08:40] <thechitowncubs> lol
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> u ever tried salvia?
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> its legal
[08:40] <thechitowncubs> I've heard of it
[08:40] <Razor-X> .....
[08:40] <thechitowncubs> is it powerful?
[08:40] <doctor_salvia> depends
[08:41] <doctor_salvia> theres the leaves then theres extracts
[08:41] <Razor-X> hahaha, people care more about euphoria than legality anyways
[08:41] <Razor-X> that much i've observed ;)
[08:41] <doctor_salvia> indeed
[08:41] <doctor_salvia> lol
[08:41] <doctor_salvia> i smoked a bowl of salvia 20x (20 times the power of the leaves) and forgot who i was
[08:41] <thechitowncubs> weed > salvia or salvia > weed?
[08:41] <doctor_salvia> it adds a nice but odd touch if its been aged i na jar and gotten slightly moldy
[08:42] <doctor_salvia> salvia is about as good as weed
[08:42] <thechitowncubs> thats interesting
[08:42] <doctor_salvia> doesnt last as long
[08:42] <zophyx> what's the best text editor to use for programming ?
[08:42] <doctor_salvia> mix em ;)
[08:42] <thechitowncubs> vim
[08:42] <setite> what does ubuntu use
[08:42] <setite> xorg or the other
[08:42] <thechitowncubs> xorg
[08:42] <setite> i forget which is the older one
[08:42] <setite> ok
[08:42] <thechitowncubs> xfree is the other
[08:42] <dataangel> Razor-X: Do I have to run ldconfig as a normal user? :/
[08:42] <doctor_salvia> salvia + weed = wow (STONED AS FUCK)
[08:42] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: emacs
[08:42] <Razor-X> dataangel: nopes
[08:43] <thechitowncubs> lmao
[08:43] <dataangel> Razor-X: I installed wxwidgets-dev, which I'm pretty sure should've pulled in any X11-dev packages.
[08:43] <doctor_salvia> Razor-X: what about it??
[08:43] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: best text editor, bar none
[08:43] <daniels> dataangel: which headers/libraries are you actually trying to install?
[08:43] <HrdwrBoB> dataangel: better to get build-dep wxwidgets
[08:43] <doctor_salvia> Razor-X: bit confusing at times but yes
[08:43] <Razor-X> dataangel: build-dep helps there
[08:43] <Razor-X> doctor_salvia: never found it confusing, meself
[08:44] <doctor_salvia> Razor-X: meh
[08:44] <Razor-X> just flowed naturally to me, like water does to bottles, and words do to LaTeX ;)
[08:44] <thechitowncubs> doctor_salvia: pm
[08:44] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: do you happen to remember the name of that one CLI Podcast listening client?
[08:44] <Razor-X> I found a Ruby one, but this weird RSS+Podcast business is... yeah
[08:45] <liraz> no luck with grub.
[08:45] <dataangel> daniels: I'm just trying to get a simple X11 example to compile. ld complains -lX11 can't be found
[08:45] <setite> where can i get libgtk-1.2
[08:45] <daniels> dataangel: libx11-dev
[08:45] <daniels> setite: universe
[08:45] <dataangel> daniels: already have it :/
[08:45] <setite> well i have universe but its not finding the package
[08:45] <dataangel> daniels: Already ran sudo ldconfig too
[08:46] <vladuz976> does anybody know a word processor capable of japanese input
[08:46] <daniels> dataangel: you probaby need -L/usr/X11R6/lib then
[08:46] <setite> you know i think this script may be flawed
[08:46] <dataangel> daniels: How do I setup -lX11 to correspond to that? I imagine there's a ton of stuff out there I may want to install from source that uses -lX11
[08:47] <razerslut> how do i run a bin file that i have downloaded?
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> sudo
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> *hits the pipe*
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> lol
[08:48] <deFrysk> razerslut, depends on what binfile it is
[08:48] <joolz> razerslut: chmod +x file ; ./file
[08:48] <deFrysk> razerslut, ./ or sh
[08:48] <razerslut> it's a java plugin for firefox
[08:48] <dataangel> daniels: Tried -L/usr/X11R6/lib instead -- now I get a ton of undefined reference errors :P
[08:48] <razerslut> ah
[08:48] <Pyrotas> hi
[08:48] <deFrysk> razerslut, ./ and use sudo
[08:48] <razerslut> okay
[08:48] <razerslut> thank you
[08:48] <joolz> razerslut: not if it's a plugin
[08:48] <joolz> then you have to install in from within ff
[08:49] <doctor_salvia> razerslut... get a better source list for synaptic
[08:49] <joolz> and be prepared for trouble of you're on hoary
[08:49] <joolz> razerslut: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12854
[08:49] <Razor-X> uggghhh
[08:49] <liraz> Fails when trying to boot off my new configuration which uses the following layout( last post - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15934 ). /dev/sdb1 = the windows drive(two sata drives). I am greeted with "Fs type unkown : partition type 0x7" and "NTLDR missing"
[08:50] <aru> Razor-X: go to offtopic and check this out
[08:50] <Razor-X> ok
[08:50] <deFrysk> joolz, package firefox (not mozilla-firefox) from backports works fine here
[08:51] <dataangel> liraz: Weird, I never had to resort to any strange tricks like that with xp
[08:51] <setite> hey what does it mean if my compiler cant create executables
[08:52] <razerslut> actually its' an RPM now that i look
[08:52] <razerslut> how do i get on synaptic?
[08:53] <Madpilot> razerslut: System - Admin - Syn Pkg Mngr
[08:55] <Madpilot> !synaptic
[08:55] <ubotu> rumour has it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:55] <setite> what is a c compiler
[08:56] <setite> like the name of one
[08:56] <Computer__Guru> gcc
[08:56] <traveller> gcc
[08:56] <setite> i have gcc but im gettin an error
[08:56] <Computer__Guru> i might teach myself python
[08:56] <setite> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[08:57] <Computer__Guru> doesnt sound like you have any version of gcc i have ever used
[08:57] <Pyrotas> how i can install icq on linux??
[08:57] <setite> i just did apt-get install gcc
[08:57] <La_PaRCa> !gaims
[08:57] <ubotu> La_PaRCa: I don't know
[08:57] <La_PaRCa> !gaim
[08:57] <ubotu> rumour has it, gaim is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GaimHowto/
[08:57] <Computer__Guru> Pyrotas: there's about a dozen programs that do many im protocols, including icq
[08:57] <jeran_> Pyrotas: Gaim does ICQ..
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> there's a howto for gaim?
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> thats funny
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> gaim -v:
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> Gaim 1.4.0
[08:58] <supernix> !java
[08:58] <ubotu> somebody said java was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[08:59] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, thats what makes the community great.
[08:59] <supernix> that is so kewl
[08:59] <supernix> !dhcp
[08:59] <ubotu> supernix: I don't know
[08:59] <supernix> :((
[08:59] <supernix> crap someone needs to write a dhcp primer
[08:59] <jon__> where would a java plugin for firefox be in synaptic?
[08:59] <Computer__Guru> La_PaRCa: okay, my point was if you need instructions on how to use gaim... actually getting to the howto is out of the question, lol
[08:59] <Madpilot> supernix: you can /msg ubotu <something> to chat with the bot - and to teach it new stuff
[09:00] <supernix> kewl
[09:00] <Madpilot> !java
[09:00] <ubotu> it has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[09:00] <Pyrotas> thx
[09:00] <Madpilot> jon__: see the URL that ubotu just posted...
[09:00] <supernix> I found out just now I think how to enable localhost for dns server with dhcp but honestly I am to tired to explain it right now
[09:02] <Computer__Guru> not like its that difficult
[09:02] <Computer__Guru> and lemme tell ya
[09:02] <razerslut> could someone explain to me how synaptic works?
[09:03] <Computer__Guru> when you run a local nameserver
[09:03] <Computer__Guru> shit loads fast
[09:03] <Madpilot> razerslut: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[09:03] <supernix> actualy Computer__Guru it is a problem just adding the nameserver in the list fails
[09:03] <dataangel> this is weird, I have to specify -L/usr/X11R6/lib but it's in /etc/ld.so.conf and I've run ldconfig.
[09:03] <supernix> each time dhcp reloads it overwrites your changes
[09:04] <supernix> I had to edit dhcpd.conf to get it to work
[09:04] <Computer__Guru> so turn off dhcp addressing, and assign your box a static ip outside the dhcp range of the router
[09:04] <doctor_salvia> TEXAS!?!?!
[09:04] <doctor_salvia> you know what comes fro mtexas?!?!
[09:04] <supernix> if you want to use a localhost dns server you have to edit dhcpd.conf and uncomment the line about prepend domain-name-server <IP_ADDRESS>;
[09:04] <doctor_salvia> :-)
[09:05] <supernix> I am running a cable modem and such so not good if I wish to maintain my net connection
[09:05] <Pyrotas> and how can i install Gaim?
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> i'm just waiting for the person who controls the router here to enable me on 22,80, & 13
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> err 113
[09:05] <dabaR> Pyrotas: it is installed.
[09:05] <doctor_salvia> apt-get install gaim
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> yeah you already got it
[09:05] <dabaR> in Apps>Internet
[09:05] <Daemonic> doctor_salvia: enlighten me.. what comes from texas?
[09:05] <dabaR> bush
[09:05] <Daemonic> ...so?
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> Daemonic: dont encourage him, heh
[09:05] <doctor_salvia> Daemonic: lol im messin wit cha man
[09:06] <_andrea> I installed the Nvidia driver and it works allright...yet at 1024x768 my mAX resolution is 60Hz...when usually its 80Hz...how can i fix it?
[09:06] <Madpilot> "what comes from Texas" could get political & ugly instantly, given the current occupant of the White House...
[09:06] <Computer__Guru> LuNaTiK^GuY: modelines
[09:06] <doctor_salvia> LOL
[09:06] <doctor_salvia> yea
[09:06] <doctor_salvia> it really could
[09:06] <Pyrotas> thx
[09:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Computer__Guru:  modelines? how can i access them?
[09:06] <Daemonic> Madpilot: bah...
[09:07] <Computer__Guru> LuNaTiK^GuY: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:07] <LuNaTiK^GuY> oh ic
[09:07] <doctor_salvia> Daemonic: but yea im just messin
[09:07] <doctor_salvia> Daemonic: smoke some salvia :-)
[09:07] <Computer__Guru> I can't speak intelligently on everything that comes from Texas, but I can name at least one billionaire businessman and one national traitor
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> Ross Perot and George W. Bush, of course
[09:08] <doctor_salvia> sage??!?!
[09:08] <doctor_salvia> SAGE
[09:08] <Daemonic> Salvia Sal"vi*a, n. L., sage. (Bot.)
[09:08] <Daemonic>    A genus of plants including the sage.
[09:08] <doctor_salvia> sagewisdom.com
[09:08] <Madpilot> Computer__Guru: that's *exactly* what I mean. leave it alone, please
[09:08] <Daemonic> =P
[09:08] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Computer__Guru: which part do i fix?
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> heh, okay
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> LuNaTiK^GuY: that i cant tell ya
[09:08] <Computer__Guru> LuNaTiK^GuY: but therein lies your problem
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> you're going to need to put in some custom modelines
[09:09] <doctor_salvia> Daemonic: i smoked some 20x and forgot who i was
[09:09] <prodigy> I'm just new using Ubuntu Hoary..how do I install JRE and get it to work for a game?
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> java:
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> Usage: java [-options]  class [args...]
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>            (to execute a class)
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>    or  java [-options]  -jar jarfile [args...]
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>            (to execute a jar file)
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> where options include:
[09:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> can i reconfigure X?
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>     -d32          use a 32-bit data model if available
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>     -d64          use a 64-bit data model if available
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>     -client	  to select the "client" VM
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>     -server	  to select the "server" VM
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>     -hotspot	  is a synonym for the "client" VM  [deprecated]
[09:09] <doctor_salvia> Daemonic: lol
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>                   The default VM is client.
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>
[09:09] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell prodigy about java
[09:09] <Computer__Guru>     -cp <class...
[09:09] <dataangel> prodigy: www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> oops
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> sorry
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> !java
[09:09] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[09:09] <dataangel> prodigy: Covers how to install JRE
[09:09] <Burgundavia> Daemonic, doctor_salvia this is completely offtopic for here
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> ubuntuguide:
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> sh: ubuntuguide: command not found
[09:09] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[09:09] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[09:09] <Computer__Guru> !ubuntuguide
[09:09] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[09:09] <Burgundavia> dataangel, please don't recommend ubuntu guide
[09:10] <dataangel> Burgundavia: Why?
[09:10] <LuNaTiK^GuY> How do I reconfigure X?
[09:10] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: that was actually a !! error, i didnt mean to paste anything
[09:10] <doctor_salvia> Daemonic: some nice salvia will make you nice and CURLDED UP IN A BALL TREMBLING CUZ YOU DONT KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR HOW YOU GOT THERE
[09:10] <Burgundavia> doctor_salvia, this is completely offtopic, please take it elsewhere
[09:10] <Computer__Guru> doctor_salvia: that's the truth... salvia is kinda scary, heh
[09:10] <Daemonic> doctor_salvia: yeah, umm, ooooook.
[09:10] <Madpilot> Computer__Guru: paste to the wrong window? ;) been there, done that...
[09:10] <Madpilot> ...but mine was lots shorter!
[09:10] <dataangel> Burgundavia: It's updated for the latest release and at least was accurate for me.
[09:11] <doctor_salvia> Burgundavia: sorry lol
[09:11] <Burgundavia> dataangel, did you see the link ubotu posted
[09:11] <Burgundavia> dataangel, the wiki is a better resource
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: no, i typed !java which tried to execute 'java', when i should have typed !!!java to say !java
[09:11] <dataangel> Burgundavia: gotcha
[09:11] <Burgundavia> dataangel, cheers
[09:11] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, ah, you have it easy
[09:11] <prodigy> I'm on the wiki but I don't even know where to go
[09:11] <setite> anyone got cedega to run on hoary 64bit?
[09:11] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, its not complex at all
[09:11] <prodigy> Salvia made me hallucinate 3d textures
[09:11] <Madpilot> Computer__Guru: huh? !java works for me to get ubotu. why three !s?
[09:11] <Computer__Guru> now, I never said it was complex
[09:12] <IIIEars> What Theme packages are suitable for Ubuntu?                                  Metacity?, GDM?,GTK1?, GTK2?
[09:12] <prodigy> and laugh uncontrollably
[09:12] <La_PaRCa> IIIEars, GTK2
[09:12] <IIIEars> Hello Seveas! :)
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: I use bangexec on gaim. if you !something it executes 'something' with stdout being the room/conversation that has focus
[09:12] <Madpilot> IIIEars: metacity works too
[09:12] <prodigy> I'm completely new at Linux, I have no experience at all
[09:12] <prodigy> I'm looking for step by step instructions on how to install Java
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: !!something does the same, but only echoes the output to you
[09:12] <IIIEars> La_PaRCa, - Thank You
[09:13] <setite> no one has worked cedega on hoary 64
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: and !!!something will say !something
[09:13] <Madpilot> Computer__Guru: ouch. that sort of messes with using ubotu, doesn't it?
[09:13] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, rofl
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> Madpilot: that's why when i typed !java you all saw all that bs
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> i meant to type !!!java
[09:13] <dabaR> And I care because
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> ubuntuguide:
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> sh: ubuntuguide: command not found
[09:13] <IIIEars> Madpilot - couldn't find a metacity or GTK2 theme on gnomelook.org that worked using "install theme"
[09:13] <La_PaRCa> smooth
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> !ubuntuguide
[09:13] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> see?
[09:14] <prodigy> oh okay
[09:14] <Madpilot> IIIEars: um, could have sworn I used metacity themes a few weeks ago... maybe not
[09:14] <IIIEars> Madpilot - Bad packages? - Ubuntu is slightly different? - (shrug)
[09:14] <dabaR> IIIEars: did you read the faqs at art.gnome.org?
[09:15] <IIIEars> dabar - erm - No, missed that.
[09:15] <IIIEars> gnomelook.org?
[09:15] <dabaR> those are good, as I said, art.gnome.org
[09:15] <Madpilot> !themes
[09:15] <ubotu> rumour has it, themes is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[09:15] <dabaR> anything to do with skinning, the faqs have it, except the mouse cursors.
[09:16] <IIIEars> i'll take a peek - Thanks
[09:16] <prodigy> where to I type apt-get install build-essential?
[09:16] <mebaran151> xterm prodigy
[09:16] <dabaR> why, prodigy ?
[09:16] <prodigy> I'm a complete newb
[09:16] <prodigy> I'm trying to install Java for hoary
[09:16] <dabaR> its not in build-essential
[09:16] <dabaR> prodigy: follow the wiki.
[09:16] <setite> how do i install a .deb
[09:17] <setite> dpkg -i right
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> yeah
[09:17] <dabaR> ya, why install it like that?
[09:17] <setite> ok thats not working
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> although id add a --no-act at first
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> dabaR: if you downloaded or built your own .deb file thats how you have to do it
[09:17] <setite> --no-act ?
[09:17] <setite> whats that
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> or run your own custom repository
[09:18] <dabaR> wtf? look at that wiki:)
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> setite: puts the op through a dry run to see if there will be errors
[09:18] <dabaR> off course I did not.
[09:18] <jasoncohen> prodigy, it's also in hoary-extras
[09:18] <setite> ok i need to force the architecture now
[09:18] <setite> --force-architecture?
[09:18] <prodigy> I already downloaded the self-extraxting files that end in .bin and I applied the changes in the Synaptic Package Manager, what do I do next?
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> what are you installing?
[09:19] <Computer__Guru> i dont think ive ever had to force arch
[09:19] <setite> i had to
[09:19] <setite> im installing cedega
[09:19] <Computer__Guru> heh
[09:20] <prodigy> how do I install the Ubuntu packages fakeroot, java-package, and java-common?
[09:21] <prodigy> or is that not for Hedgehog?
[09:21] <dabaR> it gives you commands.
[09:21] <Computer__Guru> apt-get install fakeroot java-package java-common
[09:21] <prodigy> I type that in the terminal?
[09:21] <Computer__Guru> sure
[09:21] <prodigy> my problem is when I go to the terminal it closes like in 2 seconds
[09:22] <Madpilot> prodigy: they're also installable thru Synaptic, if you'd rather use a GUI
[09:22] <bjv> ah, speaking of apt-get. -_-
[09:22] <jeran_> G,night Everyone
[09:22] <bjv> so i uncommented the 2 lines to get to the universe repo, but i still cant find the package after updating apt-get
[09:22] <dabaR> prodigy: yes, that would be a problem.
[09:22] <prodigy> okay I'm getting it now
[09:23] <bjv> do i have to re-comment things too?
[09:23] <bjv> im a little lost.
[09:23] <thespiritoftal> hi
[09:23] <thespiritoftal> how can I see how many space is left in my harddisk?
[09:23] <Madpilot> bjv: which package?
[09:23] <bjv> um
[09:24] <Computer__Guru> df -Th
[09:24] <bjv> "Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate"
[09:24] <LuNaTiK^GuY> How can i reconfigure X?
[09:24] <bjv> microsoft fonts or something
[09:24] <Computer__Guru> then dont install them :D
[09:24] <bjv> but i wants teh fonts (im installing winex)
[09:24] <doctor_salvia> www.fat-pie.com w00t
[09:25] <prodigy> I can't find the ubuntu package java-package but I have fakeroot and java-common
[09:25] <Madpilot> bjv: msttcorefonts is in multiverse
[09:25] <prodigy> will these work?
[09:25] <bjv> multiverse?
[09:25] <bjv> different from universe?
[09:25] <Computer__Guru> thats a pretty ugly site
[09:25] <Madpilot> !respositories
[09:25] <ubotu> Madpilot: Are you smoking crack?
[09:25] <IIIEars> Okay - Themes - The Drag and drop or add path in the box didn't work adding them manually did. - Very Happy "G5-ish" looks nice
[09:25] <Madpilot> !repositories
[09:25] <ubotu> repositories is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:26] <Madpilot> bjv: see the URL that obotu just posted
[09:26] <Seveas> !forget repositories
[09:26] <ubotu> Seveas: i forgot repositories
[09:26] <Madpilot> Seveas: huh?
[09:26] <Seveas> uboru repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[09:26] <Madpilot> Seveas: nvrmind, forgot that d*mned bad URL...
[09:26] <thespiritoftal> sorry just got disconnected how can i see how many free space is left in my harddisk?
[09:26] <dabaR> prodigy: java-package is also in multiverse.
[09:27] <prodigy> which is where?
[09:27] <dabaR> Seveas: uboru, eh?
[09:27] <HappyFool> thespiritoftal: df, on the command line. i think nautilus might tell you too
[09:27] <Seveas> ubotu repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:27] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[09:27] <thespiritoftal> thanks happyfool
[09:27] <Seveas> they changed it back again
[09:28] <dabaR> prodigy: check out the repo for new users wiki
[09:28] <Seveas> someone forgot that Good URLs Don't Change
[09:28] <Madpilot> prodigy: see that "AddingRepositories" URL that Seveas has been posting
[09:28] <setite> damn the force architecture only half works
[09:28] <setite> i can get the installer to start running but it hangs
[09:28] <Madpilot> Seveas: it seems like we've been playing "musical URLs" on that one for a week or two now?
[09:28] <Seveas> :)
[09:29] <knowledge_> I really hope I don't get kicked for this, but it's worth it because I tihnk it's a good cause
[09:29] <jon__> could someone post the link to the synaptic howto?
[09:29] <Razor-X> when a python app returns an error ``No module named players''
[09:29] <knowledge_> http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/petition.html
[09:29] <Razor-X> what package do I need to download now?
[09:29] <Madpilot> Seveas: who keeps messing with the wiki's URLs?
[09:29] <dabaR> jon searching the wiki can
[09:29] <Madpilot> ... and ubotu's bangs?
[09:29] <jon__> WIKI
[09:29] <jon__> explain
[09:29] <HappyFool> !synaptic
[09:29] <ubotu> synaptic is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[09:30] <Seveas> Madpilot, there was an argument about NewUserGuide wiki things lately
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> knowledge_: the open source community won this round already. The EU Parliament voted against it something like 200 to 12
[09:30] <dabaR> wiki.ubuntu.com/FindPage
[09:30] <bjv> ok, that link didnt actually tell me where the multiverse is
[09:30] <bjv> 1 sec
[09:30] <setite> !cedega
[09:30] <ubotu> somebody said cedega was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[09:30] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, that blows
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> blows?
[09:30] <dabaR>  /msg ubotu cedega
[09:30] <Seveas> knowledge_, this is another petition
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> uhh, the software patent act was DENIED
[09:30] <mgcross> enyone know of any good howto's for hotkeys? wanna set it up to use my defaul apps: firefox, amarok, etc...
[09:30] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, this is another petition
[09:30] <mgcross> er anyone
[09:30] <mgcross> lol
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> oh
[09:30] <Computer__Guru> ok
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> what are we petitioning this time?
[09:31] <Seveas> mgcross, 'hotkeys' as in extra keys on your keyboard?
[09:31] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, meaning that there will be no shockwave?
[09:31] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, shockwave on linux
[09:31] <Razor-X> so, if a python app complains about ``player'' what should I give it?
[09:31] <bjv> :\      ok, that was easy enough
[09:31] <HappyFool> mgcross: look under System -> Preferences -> Keyboard shortcuts
[09:31] <thespiritoftal> how can i update mozilla firefox?
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> oh
[09:31] <Seveas> thespiritoftal, you shouldn't
[09:31] <HappyFool> Razor-X: in what context is this?
[09:31] <dabaR> thespiritoftal: update how?
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> so swp is shockwave player, not software patents :D
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> my bad
[09:32] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, latest ubuntu and official firefox break all extensions again
[09:32] <HappyFool> ColonelKernel: i thought software patents too ;)
[09:32] <setite> give up spirit.. it more trouble than its worth
[09:32] <thechitowncubs> Seveas: why are you telling me?
[09:32] <Razor-X> HappyFool: running a python app
[09:32] <Computer__Guru> Seveas: thats not good..
[09:32] <mgcross> Seveas: I set up "hotkeys deamon" and it works great....volume mute etc alll work now (special keys on compaq keyboard)
[09:32] <Madpilot> :) for a better browser: www.opera.com/download
[09:32] <Razor-X> Madpilot: hehehe
[09:32] <HappyFool> Razor-X: i meant, what python app, or what kind of app ;)
[09:32] <Seveas> Madpilot, too bad that opera sucks so hard...
[09:32] <dabaR> better than what?
[09:32] <Razor-X> HappyFool: iPodder
[09:32] <knowledge_> Could actually be that linux uses less battery?
[09:33] <Seveas> knowledge_, yes
[09:33] <Razor-X> against my will to take a GUI app, but :(
[09:33] <mgcross> Seveas: just that the config file uses xmms and mozzila instead of firefox evolution, etc
[09:33] <knowledge_> because I notice that when on battery it turns the HD off, and the fans when not needed....that's cool
[09:33] <setite> how do i install from a tar gain
[09:33] <setite> make
[09:33] <dabaR> unpack a tar
[09:33] <HappyFool> Razor-X: hm. ok, i don't know. I don't think 'player' is a generic python term. What if you supply 'mpg321' or something similar?
[09:33] <setite> make-install
[09:33] <Madpilot> Seveas: your opinion; I've been using Opera since 4.x and 8 is the best yet...
[09:33] <setite> something
[09:33] <Razor-X> setite: unpack, ./config, make, make install
[09:33] <Seveas> Madpilot, I guess you never tried any reallt advanced css tricks :)
[09:33] <Razor-X> HappyFool: mpg123 and ogg123 are already up and configured on this box
[09:34] <knowledge_> when I ran windows, the battery would die in 20 minutes....(no joke, bad cells)...but it's doing fairly well right now
[09:34] <mebaran151> Razor-X, what you playing with now?
[09:34] <dabaR> man tar
[09:34] <bjv> Madpilot, did you search somewhere to find if the mstt fonts were in multiverse?
[09:34] <bjv> or did you just guess
[09:34] <Razor-X> mebaran151: wanted to experience this ``podcasting'' thing
[09:34] <mebaran151> oh yeah
[09:34] <mebaran151> the next big thing
[09:34] <Razor-X> yeah, supposedly
[09:34] <Madpilot> bjv: in Synaptic
[09:34] <Seveas> bjv, apt-cache search msttcorefonts will tell you :)
[09:34] <mebaran151> haha
[09:34] <mebaran151> (my sarcasm)
[09:34] <Razor-X> I was never into internet fads, meself, but if Leo, Patrick, and Kevin host a show on a Podcast
[09:34] <Razor-X> i'm sold
[09:34] <mebaran151> you could always record the news as an mp3 and burn it to your ipod
[09:34] <setite> whats a good bittorrent client
[09:35] <Madpilot> Seveas: I've done some middling advanced CSS, it works just as well in Opera as in FF
[09:35] <setite> azureus is giving me shit on the install
[09:35] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I don't have an iPod ;)
[09:35] <mebaran151> ah, ok
[09:35] <setite> it wont config and there is no make file i guess
[09:35] <knowledge_> the only thing that doesn't work right in ubuntu for me is ummm.....what's it called...OH hibernate
[09:35] <bjv> im pretty sure i know what apt-cache search will say.. the "E: Couldn't find package XYZ" sort of tipped me off
[09:35] <mebaran151> Razor-X, as far as I can tell podcasting looks like recording internet radio
[09:35] <Seveas> knowledge_, yeah, that's still a PITA
[09:35] <mebaran151> which streamripper does very well
[09:35] <Razor-X> mebaran151: something like that, yeah
[09:35] <knowledge_> PITA?
[09:35] <mebaran151> have you used streamripper
[09:35] <Seveas> especially if you use ATI/NVIDIA/atheros/ndiswrapper...
[09:35] <HappyFool> bjv: then you haven't added the appropriate repositories
[09:35] <Madpilot> bjv: you need to have multiverse enabled to find the MS fonts
[09:35] <Seveas> pain in the ass
[09:35] <mgcross> no one uses the hotkeys deamon?
[09:35] <bjv> although i got multiverse added to my sources.list
[09:35] <Razor-X> mebaran151: no, but i've used similar apps before
[09:35] <mgcross> er daemon?
[09:35] <knowledge_> Seveas, yeah I think I do....
[09:35] <bjv> ive got the ms fonts. :P
[09:36] <concept10> did you guys know there is an extension in firefox to search ubuntu packages?
[09:36] <mebaran151> streamripper is decent
[09:36] <thespiritoftal> I can't install java as written in ubuntuguide... when I do sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 it says E: Some packages could not be authenticated
[09:36] <bjv> now its "Couldn't find package libsdl-ttf2.0-dev"
[09:36] <bjv> :/
[09:36] <anacron> bjv: how 'bout installing it?
[09:36] <thespiritoftal> anyone can help me please?
[09:36] <Seveas> bjv, that's in universe
[09:36] <bjv> i am apt-get installing?
[09:37] <bjv> wait.
[09:37] <Seveas> Filename: pool/universe/s/sdl-ttf2.0/libsdl-ttf2.0-dev_2.0.6-5_i386.deb
[09:37] <bjv> ok.
[09:37] <knowledge_> I can't believe there's no shockwave for linux....what if I want addictinggames.com?
[09:37] <knowledge_> those macromedia bastards
[09:37] <pax> concept10: yes and there's another one to search the forums, now you have to make one that search the wiki :)
[09:37] <bjv> (i had just edited the universe entry to read mulitverse)
[09:37] <anacron> bjv: and add more sources, like universe
[09:37] <bjv> i assumed universe was *inside* multi
[09:37] <setite> hey whats the thing for rpms
[09:37] <setite> dpkg alien -i?
[09:37] <Seveas> setite, alien
[09:37] <HappyFool> bjv: good, but unfortunately flawed intuition; they are disjoint ;)
[09:37] <Seveas> alien -i foo.rpm
[09:37] <setite> ok
[09:38] <HappyFool> bjv: you need main *and* restricted *and* universe *and* multiverse
[09:38] <Seveas> bjv: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:38] <bjv> nevar!
[09:38] <bjv> im already editing.
[09:38] <Madpilot> in this case, the multiverse does not contain the universe. go figure!
[09:38] <HappyFool> yeah, maybe
[09:38] <HappyFool> aargh. maybe universe-non-free would be more accurate a name
[09:39] <knowledge_> why am I watching the weather channel?
[09:39] <Madpilot> is Breezy going to ship with all it's repos enabled? would be a great help to noobs...
[09:39] <Seveas> Madpilot, no
[09:39] <Razor-X> knowledge_: beter than watching the price of a Japanese game bounce up and down using an exchange rate calculator
[09:39] <pan_> hi all
[09:39] <HappyFool> i imagine there are support and maybe even legal issues why uni/multi can't be enabled
[09:39] <Seveas> support issues indeed :)
[09:40] <knowledge_> Razor-X, ....I'll agree, but only because I have no clue what the he..ll that is
[09:40] <Madpilot> I know the multiverse stuff is nonFree, but if none of it is installed by default why not enabled the repos?
[09:40] <knowledge_> Razor-X, thanks again for your help
[09:40] <Madpilot> *enable
[09:40] <holycow> this is goddamned weird
[09:40] <Seveas> Madpilot, because universe and multiverse are not officially supported
[09:40] <holycow> after last nights upgrade of ffmpeg ...
[09:41] <HappyFool> Madpilot: i think the idea is that only stuff which is officially supported (i.e., main + restricted) is available by default
[09:41] <holycow> i get sound but no dialogue
[09:41] <Razor-X> knowledge_: your welcome
[09:41] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:41] <Madpilot> OK, that makes sense. still, all the stuff that people "need" seems to be in uni/multi...
[09:41] <Razor-X> you don't know what a currency exchancge rate is?
[09:42] <HappyFool> i have a feeling the number of users coming into #ubuntu is a small, and possibly non-representative sample of 'all' users
[09:42] <IIIEars> HappyFool - not too many return after things are running smoothly
[09:43] <holycow> or rather, its very far back in the mix
[09:43] <holycow> would anyone have a clue how to bring back dialogue into the mix?
[09:43] <holycow> on a dvd that is
[09:43] <Madpilot> that sort of thing seems impossible to measure, tho
[09:43] <knowledge_> I wonder what that constant high pitched noise is comming from my lappy toppy
[09:43] <Madpilot> knowledge_: it's about to explode? ;)
[09:43] <HappyFool> Madpilot: true. and i'm sure ubuntu would *love* to ship mp3 codecs and a dvd player, if it were legally possible
[09:44] <knowledge_> Madpilot, seems soo
[09:44] <mgcross> hmmm no takers huh?
[09:44] <IIIEars> Is Ubuntu in the Browser Agent string? - some sites keep % stats. - would be interesting to have a guess at how many there are.
[09:45] <Madpilot> IIIEars: you can always edit your string, if you're feeling hardcore... ;)
[09:45] <HappyFool> mgcross: my 'special' keys work fine without any special daemons running
[09:45] <IIIEars> << - caught red handed - I am using Windows 3.1 - embarrased
[09:45] <Razor-X> any portable MP3 players you people reccomend?
[09:45] <Razor-X> $100 and under, rather
[09:45] <knowledge_> I gotta question....how'd so many of you guys learn the command line so well?
[09:46] <HappyFool> IIIEars: it's in general.useragent.vendorComment -- not sure if that's sent as part the HTTP headers
[09:46] <Razor-X> knowledge_: experience, and in my case, no alternative
[09:46] <knowledge_> actually....linux in general, I mean there's SO much to know about it
[09:46] <Madpilot> hardcore *nix geeks thing GUI is evil
[09:46] <Daemonic> Razor-X: ZEN
[09:46] <HappyFool> knowledge_: practice ;)
[09:46] <IIIEars> firefox makes it a small edit to change
[09:46] <knowledge_> Razor-X, yeah, but I'm sick of reinstalling ubuntu
[09:46] <Razor-X> see, I tried to get X to work on a box with a defficient box with an onboard card
[09:46] <IIIEars> HappyFool - Brb
[09:46] <knowledge_> I installed mandrake at least 14 times a week when I was using it...
[09:47] <Razor-X> and, yeah, I failed on my first attempt, and learned the command-line trying to survive ;)
[09:47] <Razor-X> knowledge_: you know, if you mess up something... you can fix it?
[09:47] <Razor-X> most always
[09:47] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I think GUI is pretty evil
[09:47] <knowledge_> Razor-X, yeah, if you know what you did to mess it up....but most of the time I'm copying and pasting someone elses commands
[09:47] <prodigy> I just downloaded the Sun JDK beans, what do I do next to get Java to work?
[09:48] <knowledge_> prodigy, ?
[09:48] <knowledge_> jdk beans?
[09:48] <prodigy> netbeans
[09:48] <prodigy> it's a jdk
[09:48] <knowledge_> ohhh
[09:48] <Madpilot> Razor-X: sure, but you also seem pretty hardcore...
[09:48] <knowledge_> oh...sorry
[09:48] <prodigy> from sun java
[09:48] <Razor-X> knowledge_: there are nice online guides
[09:48] <Flying-Penguin> hey guys.... how do you install doom3 on linux?
[09:49] <Razor-X> I guess that's the problem from receiving instructions from others *shrugs*
[09:49] <knowledge_> does that require patience and effort?
[09:49] <Razor-X> Madpilot: hah, do I really? ;)
[09:49] <Razor-X> knowledge_: yes
[09:49] <knowledge_> damn
[09:49] <knowledge_> lol
[09:49] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:49] <prodigy> where do I type in commands at?
[09:49] <prodigy> I'm lost
[09:49] <prodigy> I'm on the wiki
[09:49] <prodigy> and it's telling me all this stuff with no explanation
[09:50] <knowledge_> ^ my problem with linux
[09:50] <Razor-X> theterminal
[09:50] <Razor-X> *the terminal
[09:50] <knowledge_> most people assume the reader knows what's going on...
[09:50] <prodigy> once I get to the terminal, it closes on me
[09:50] <prodigy> why does that happen?
[09:50] <Flying-Penguin> HOW do you install doom3 on linux???
[09:50] <Madpilot> prodigy: Applications - System Tools - Terminal
[09:50] <prodigy> I know that much, but the terminal always closes on me after it asks me for a password
[09:51] <Razor-X> is there a Linux specific version?
[09:51] <Razor-X> prodigy: not the Root terminal, just the terminal
[09:51] <knowledge_> Flying-Penguin, http://www.google.com/search?q=+doom3+on+linux&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[09:51] <prodigy> ahhhhh
[09:51] <prodigy> thanks!
[09:51] <Razor-X> the fact of the matter is, Linux is an OS based on the command-line
[09:52] <Razor-X> Ubuntu is the best attempt yet, IMO, of making it user-friendly
[09:52] <Razor-X> but you can't change its basis
[09:52] <Flying-Penguin> knowledge_: thats not what I asked
[09:52] <Razor-X> because, most users have never seen a terminal in their life, previous to Ubuntu, or used it quite sparingly
[09:53] <Computer__Guru> thats funny
[09:53] <Computer__Guru> i wouldnt say most
[09:53] <Computer__Guru> just most recent users
[09:53] <Computer__Guru> ive been around this for some years
[09:53] <Razor-X> true that
[09:54] <Razor-X> but, I learned by a mistake, so *shrugs*
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> ten or so
[09:54] <Computer__Guru> right on
[09:54] <Razor-X> i've used it for 4 users, insofar
[09:54] <prodigy> what if it says unable to lock the administration directory?
[09:54] <prodigy> what do I do?
[09:54] <knowledge_> Razor-X, surprisingly I was very mildy getting better at the command line while using mandrake thanks to a fellow name Dana Olsen...that guy spent COUNTless our with me explaining things...then I forgot it all
[09:54] <Razor-X> prodigy: prepend a ``sudo''
[09:54] <jeran_> I'm new-ish to Ubuntu.. I started on Red Hat 7 and I had a book that taught me a few tricks for the command line...
[09:54] <knowledge_> hours*
[09:54] <Razor-X> knowledge_: I can do that, and there are guides out there as well
[09:54] <prodigy> I have prepended a sudo
[09:54] <Super_BQ> is there a chance that Ubuntu can catch a virus?
[09:55] <prodigy> my command is sudo apt-get update
[09:55] <Super_BQ> i'm seeing funny packets coming through my firewall
[09:55] <Razor-X> Super_BQ: very rare
[09:55] <knowledge_> oh yeah, but I don't feel like being a burden on anyone...that feeling sucks
[09:55] <liraz> I still am unable to boot into my windows xp partition. I either get no response or NTLDR missing or unkown partition type 0x7(with the many configs i've triedO
[09:55] <Razor-X> prodigy: should work fine
[09:55] <Razor-X> knowledge_: the best way to learn is to drown
[09:55] <Razor-X> you either learn to float, or you die trying ;)
[09:55] <Razor-X> more than likely, the former
[09:56] <knowledge_> Razor-X, makes sense...
[09:56] <prodigy> E:Unable to lock the administration directory, (etc) is another process using it?
[09:56] <prodigy> that's my error
[09:56] <Razor-X> prodigy: prepend a ``sudo''
[09:56] <Madpilot> prodigy: what command did you enter?
[09:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is installing nvidia different in kubuntu than in ubuntu?
[09:56] <prodigy> sudo apt-get update
[09:56] <knowledge_> everything with linux is cool with me until you get into the whole make, make install...yadda yadda, because I don't know where the files are going, how to unmake...and unmake,,,install
[09:56] <bjv> that usually means there is another apt-get running in another terminal
[09:56] <bjv> i dont think so, lunatik
[09:56] <Razor-X> LuNaTiK^GuY: nopes
[09:56] <itay> hi! I installed kubuntu and every boot it tries to get the time from ntp.ubuntu.org. it takes 20 seconds and then failed, how can I cancel this option?
[09:56] <Madpilot> prodigy: is Synaptic still running? if it is, close it
[09:57] <Super_BQ> somehow i'm getting 'microsoft-ds' on port 445 from the outbound (external) connection
[09:57] <prodigy> yes it is
[09:57] <prodigy> thanks
[09:57] <Super_BQ> and I beleive that is what is buggering up my samba on the LAN
[09:57] <Razor-X> wow, i'm hearing *Patrick*
[09:57] <prodigy> haha it works
[09:57] <prodigy> thanks
[09:57] <Razor-X> crazy!
[09:57] <knowledge_> itay, kubuntu?
[09:57] <thechitowncubs> good night everyone
[09:57] <Super_BQ> the IP is <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:57] <The_Vox> knowledge_: the files usuall go under /usr/local/<someplace> unless you tell it otherwise with a --prefix=/<somethingelse>
[09:57] <thechitowncubs> 3am here
[09:57] <knowledge_> The_Vox, aha, I see...
[09:57] <prodigy> ah, I can't find java-package
[09:58] <Super_BQ> shows as being "an active connection"
[09:58] <Razor-X> woooh!  :P
[09:59] <bjv> yes it worked.
[09:59] <HappyFool> !binarydriver
[09:59] <ubotu> HappyFool: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:59] <HappyFool> !binarydriverhowto
[09:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> The_Vox: also after doing all the guide says...should i modify the xorg.conf?
[09:59] <ubotu> binarydriverhowto is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto or ask !Display !Resolution !ati !nvidia Please use /msg <your_question> to avoid flooding the channel
[09:59] <knowledge_> Rogers park....now in Niles
[09:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> HappyFool: can u point them to me?
[09:59] <thechitowncubs> I'm in Lake Zurich
[10:00] <HappyFool> LuNaTiK^GuY: look at what ubotu just posted
[10:00] <thechitowncubs> well
[10:00] <thechitowncubs> im off
[10:00] <pax> Deal of the day: Seagate 120GB Hard Drives @ CircuitCity for $40 if you don't mind MIR.
[10:00] <The_Vox> LuNaTiK^GuY: check it...in most instances it *should* be modified by debconf when installing the -glx package, but..."trust but verify" should be your life's motto :)
[10:00] <prodigy> pax, is this David?
[10:00] <Madpilot> me too. 0105 here, and I have to work Saturdays (blech). good night/morning/evening/whatever, all
[10:00] <itay> knowledge_, yes I installed kubuntu
[10:01] <itay> how can I cancel this time update?
[10:01] <knowledge_> you know what's weird...when I made my upper bar (forgot what it's called) transparent, the whole thing was transparent.....now I can't get it to be fully transparent, anyone know what's up with that?
[10:02] <pax> prodigy: no I wacked him and stole his nicknam
[10:02] <pax> name*
[10:02] <prodigy> seriously is it David Hulihan?
[10:02] <knowledge_> itay, although I have kde installed (for some God forsaken reason) I'm not familiar with it as much as gnome...
[10:02] <pax> prodigy: nop.
[10:02] <prodigy> ah okay
[10:02] <itay> I'm not sure it's because KDE
[10:03] <knowledge_> no no...it's not
[10:03] <Computer__Guru> kde is nice :)
[10:03] <knowledge_> but I don't know where you'd go in KDE to disable it
[10:03] <itay> why ubuntu tries to get the time from the internet?
[10:03] <The_Vox> itay: because it's the smart thing to do?
[10:03] <LuNaTiK^GuY> HappyFool: the wiki has much less steps than the unofficial guide
[10:03] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, I used to, but I'm really diggin gnome
[10:03] <Computer__Guru> ive used gnome enough to know i like kde better :D
[10:03] <HappyFool> LuNaTiK^GuY: ok. for nvidia the process should be fairly simple
[10:03] <xerox> Hello.
[10:03] <prodigy> I'm trying to get Java to work for Hoary
[10:04] <prodigy> can someone help me with this?
[10:04] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, whatcha mean?
[10:04] <Computer__Guru> java is simple..
[10:04] <xerox> Do you know how to get a more recent automake on ubuntu hoary?
[10:04] <Computer__Guru> !java
[10:04] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[10:04] <itay> knowledge_, how do you disable it in ubuntu? maybe you can run the GUI that you disable it in in a shell and see the command?
[10:04] <HappyFool> prodigy: what's the problem?
[10:04] <prodigy> how do I check my source list and ensure multiverse is added?
[10:04] <prodigy> well I know I need java-package, java-common, and fakeroot
[10:04] <prodigy> but I don't have java-package
[10:04] <prodigy> and I can't find it
[10:05] <thespiritoftal> is there any interface with which I can write Python scripts?
[10:05] <Computer__Guru> knowledge_: just sayin i decided to give gnome a go when it started getting big.. went back to kde pretty quick.. kde is feature rich
[10:05] <The_Vox> itay: cd /etc/rc2.d/ && sudo rm -f S20ntpdate
[10:05] <Computer__Guru> and feature rich is good :D
[10:05] <HappyFool> prodigy: what architecture (x86/ppc/amd64) are you on? (not sure it matters, but...)
[10:05] <prodigy> x86
[10:05] <The_Vox> itay: cd /etc/rc2.d/ && sudo rm -f S20ntpdate && sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate stop
[10:05] <The_Vox> itay: second command series is the correct one
[10:05] <knowledge_> itay, I have "boot-up manager" installed.
[10:05] <Varanger> I am getting a strange noise when playing audio in Linux, I have recently configured my soundcard
[10:05] <HappyFool> prodigy: java-package is in the 'multiverse' repository -- have you enabled that?
[10:05] <The_Vox> itay: but...why don't you want it to keep the clock correct?
[10:05] <bjv> vi /etc/apt/sources.list   ?
[10:05] <prodigy> No, how do I do that?
[10:05] <bjv> at prod
[10:06] <HappyFool> !repositories
[10:06] <ubotu> I heard repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:06] <concept10> Has anyone installed Nvu 1.0 on hoary?
[10:06] <bjv> vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:06] <Computer__Guru> !vi
[10:06] <ubotu> I don't know, Computer__Guru
[10:06] <HappyFool> bjv: read that page
[10:06] <knowledge_> itay, if you can find that in your system (synaptics) you found your answer
[10:06] <HappyFool> ag
[10:06] <HappyFool> not bjv, sorry
[10:06] <bjv> prodigy: uncomment the 2 universe lines in that file
[10:06] <HappyFool> prodigy: read that page
[10:06] <bjv> then copy them, and change the 2 "universe" to "multiverse"
[10:07] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance, but now that I have gnome all decked out...I'm dreading going thru the hassle again
[10:07] <HappyFool> bjv: you're assuming he can use vi ;)
[10:08] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, damn it...lol, now I feel like booting up kde
[10:08] <knowledge_> brb
[10:08] <holycow> there we go!
[10:08] <holycow> weeeeird
[10:08] <pax> anyone can use vi. vimtutor will get you going in less than 20 minutes
[10:08] <itay> thank you, I will check it
[10:09] <xerox> Do you people have automake 1.4-p6 installed on ubuntu?  It's rather old, and I need to update it, also I seem unable to find a more recent version for ubuntu.  Can you help me?
[10:09] <holycow> all of a suddent i haveto manually select sound -> en/fr to get dialogue
[10:09] <holycow> wtf?
[10:09] <bjv> its not that hard :P
[10:09] <bjv> just press insert to type :P
[10:09] <bjv> and ctr-c, then shift ':' wq to save/exit :P
[10:09] <bjv> there, now he knows how to use vi
[10:09] <Razor-X> ewwww!
[10:09] <Razor-X> you taught vi?!
[10:09] <HappyFool> xerox: i see a whole set of automake packages, including automake1.4 through automake1.9
[10:09] <Razor-X> use emacs
[10:10] <xerox> HappyFool: where?
[10:10] <Razor-X> then Control+h, hit `t', and learn thenceforth
[10:10] <HappyFool> xerox: 'apt-cache search automake'
[10:10] <HappyFool> xerox: or look on packages.ubuntu.com
[10:10] <xerox> HappyFool: are them for breezy or hoary?
[10:10] <HappyFool> in this case prodigy can just use synaptic, so the point is moot
[10:10] <HappyFool> xerox: hoary, i hope! I don't have breezy repos enabled
[10:10] <knowledge_> hi
[10:10] <knowledge_> lol
[10:11] <xerox> HappyFool: do using ``multiverse'' in your sources.list brings error in the apt-get update process?
[10:11] <HappyFool> xerox: not usually -- i haven't run it this morning
[10:12] <xerox> Using this: deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse restricted   I get some errors.
[10:13] <xerox> The errors go away if I remove ``multiverse''.
[10:13] <xerox> Does it make any sense?
[10:13] <HappyFool> xerox: maybe try changing it.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com (this is in /etc/apt/sources.list)
[10:13] <pax> try to change it with something else
[10:13] <HappyFool> and try the update again
[10:13] <The_Vox> xerox: I just ran update and didn't get errors...and I have multiverse
[10:13] <tehmandi> does anyone know how I can change my display to kde instead of GNOME?
[10:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i overrid refresh rates of my monitor...its doing 60Hz max...but i know it can go up to 80hz!!
[10:13] <HappyFool> xerox: maybe the it mirror is having problems
[10:13] <xerox> Let's try.
[10:14] <The_Vox> xerox: I use mx.<blah> as my mirror, tho
[10:14] <HappyFool> tehmandi: install kubuntu-desktop, and choose kde on login (it's under 'session', in think, at the bottom of the login screen)
[10:14] <xerox> 99% [6 Packages bzip2 0]  [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]  [Wabzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
[10:14] <The_Vox> LuNaTiK^GuY: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:14] <knowledge_> wow...kde is not 1024X768 friendly
[10:14] <xerox> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[10:14] <xerox>   Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[10:14] <bob2> xerox: sounds like you're behind a broken proxy
[10:14] <tehmandi> HappyFool, how do I get kubuntu?
[10:14] <LuNaTiK^GuY> The_Vox: i dont know where and what to edit!
[10:14] <HappyFool> tehmandi: install 'kubuntu-desktop'
[10:14] <tehmandi> oh
[10:14] <HappyFool> tehmandi: it's an ubuntu package
[10:14] <xerox> bob2: argh, damn.  This is indeed possible, I'm on a mobile connection.
[10:14] <HappyFool> tehmandi: you can install it with synaptic
[10:14] <tehmandi> that's the command?
[10:14] <tehmandi> oh
[10:15] <tehmandi> ok
[10:15] <tehmandi> ty
[10:15] <xerox> bob2: is there a way to get the files from ftp or something?
[10:15] <The_Vox> LuNaTiK^GuY: it's actually pretty obvious...the line you want is Refresh or VertRefresh or something like that
[10:15] <bob2> xerox: sure
[10:16] <vinboy> hi guys
[10:16] <bob2> xerox: same address, just s/htp/ftp/
[10:16] <vinboy> i'm newbie
[10:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> The_Vox: 10ks i;ll see wot i can do
[10:16] <xerox> bob2: thank you very much, I'm trying.
[10:16] <vinboy> how do i get the development environment software for ubuntu?
[10:16] <Computer__Guru> umm
[10:16] <Computer__Guru> can you be a little more specific?
[10:16] <HappyFool> vinboy: install the build-essential package for C/C++ compilers
[10:17] <xerox> Get:3 ftp://it.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages [88.4kB]
[10:17] <xerox> -t, even
[10:17] <bob2> vinboy: with synaptic.  the basic toolchain is installed by getting the 'build-essential' package, but you'll need a lot more than that for compiling useful apps
[10:17] <knowledge_> lol
[10:17] <vinboy> HappyFool: are they included in the CD iso?
[10:17] <HappyFool> vinboy: yip
[10:17] <vinboy> ic
[10:17] <vinboy> thanks guys
[10:17] <setite>  finally my transgaming account works so i dont have to try the cvs.. .i pray that this is easier
[10:17] <vinboy> i wonder why Ubuntu has only 1 cd and fedora has 4 cds
[10:17] <liraz> do the ubuntu reps really lack maintainers because my update is telling me to get firefox-1.0.2
[10:18] <knowledge_> what resolution do most of you run?
[10:18] <liraz> I've just moved from fedora
[10:18] <xerox> Now it sleeps on "Hit ftp://it.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages" \n "99% [Waiting for headers] "
[10:18] <Computer__Guru> i bought maya6 for a very small amount of money from an improperly placed ebay auction :D
[10:18] <bob2> vinboy: because ubuntu only puts some of it on cd
[10:18] <bob2> vinboy: the other 14 cds worth of software is available over the internet
[10:18] <The_Vox> vinboy: because ubuntu (and most debian-based distros) pretend that you have an internet connection and can just pull packages from the internet...messing around with CDs is a waste of time, IMNSHO
[10:19] <vinboy> yea.. maybe
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> i thought it was 81gb
[10:19] <Computer__Guru> thats a lot more than 14 cds
[10:19] <alkuovi> LuNaTiK^GuY: What monitor are you using?
[10:19] <vinboy> and... do u know how the Fedora has the Add/Remove Programs
[10:19] <vinboy> does Ubuntu has it?
[10:19] <xerox> :|
[10:19] <vinboy> i think it is very handy
[10:19] <knowledge_> I notice no speed difference between KDE and Gnome
[10:19] <The_Vox> liraz: they backport patches, not update versions. If you want 1.0.6 you need to use the backports repository
[10:20] <knowledge_> people say Gnome is faster
[10:20] <Oompa> Hey has anyone here ever used enlightenment on Ubuntu?
[10:20] <The_Vox> knowledge_: I use 1600x1200
[10:20] <tehmandi> how can I enable the ability to login as root?
[10:20] <rayn_> does anyone know how to trasnfer files between windows and ubunut?
[10:20] <Myrtti> hrm.
[10:20] <knowledge_> The_Vox, doesn't that hurt your eyes at all?
[10:20] <bob2> vinboy: of course, ubuntu has the same highly sophisticated package management system debian has
[10:20] <rayn_> help anyone?
[10:20] <bob2> Computer__Guru: 91GB or so for all 3 architectures and all 3 branches
[10:20] <bob2> rayn_: be more specific
[10:20] <Myrtti> my computer doesn't know how to fetch ip-configuration via dhcp anymore at startup
[10:20] <The_Vox> knowledge_: not really...I have a 19" monitor...tho I *do* use small fonts (9pt)
[10:21] <bob2> Oompa: lots of people have