[20:03] <dwidmann> kanniball: an interesting, custom solution if multiple linux computers are involves, would be to use konqueror and create a service menu for moving the file to a trash folder you specify instead of actually deleting the file
[20:03] <__Adam___> i have been running Kubuntu for 3 weeks.... was opensuse 10.3
[20:03] <emilsedgh> SSJ_GZ: no
[20:03] <dwidmann> !hardy | __Adam___
[20:03] <dwidmann> hmm, wait, that's not the one I wanted
[20:03] <dwidmann> rats
[20:03] <dwidmann> !factoids > dwidmann
[20:04] <__Adam___> that would be the one :) 8.04
[20:05] <kanniball> dwidmann: ok, that's a solution...
[20:05] <kanniball> dwidmann: I will use ext3...
[20:05] <dwidmann> !kde4 | __Adam___
[20:05] <Nyad> what cpu architechtures does kubuntu run on?
[20:05] <__Adam___> cant use apt then ?
[20:06] <SSJ_GZ> emilsedgh: Ok
[20:06] <dwidmann> Nyad: i386 and amd64 are supported .... not sure about sparc, and they've discontinued ppc
[20:06] <dwidmann> !architecture
[20:07] <Nyad> ok so only intel and amd  with their i386 and amd64. no others?
[20:07] <Nyad> that's x86 and x86-64 right?
[20:07] <dwidmann> right
[20:07] <__Adam___> got it :P
[20:08] <damien> #bash
[20:09] <Nyad> dwidmann: but linux runs on other archs, why doesn't ubuntu?
[20:09] <dwidmann> Nyad: maintenance takes time and effort, the more arch's you add ..... well, you can see where that's going
[20:10] <Nyad> MS windows only runs on x86 and x86-64 right?
[20:10] <dwidmann> as far as I know
[20:11] <__Adam___> i think they did support another Nyad
[20:11] <damien> Is it useful to always have Konsole open?
[20:11] <SSJ_GZ> damien: That's up to you :)
[20:11] <dwidmann> __Adam___: there are also packages for KDE 4.1B available (4.0.80) and a kde-nightly setup (4.0.82 currently)
[20:11] <dwidmann> !info yakuake | damien
[20:11] <__Adam___> dwidmann, i'll stick with a stable release :)
[20:22] <stefan-f> How can I see which runlevel exclamd is using?
[20:40] <miquel_puig> hi is someone here who can help me, I have a problem with my wireless network
[20:40] <miquel_puig> ?
[20:42] <_CrashMaster_> miquel_puig: Whats the problem?
[20:42] <ubunturos> !wifi | miquel_puig
[20:43] <miquel_puig> I've always used GNOME, but decided to try KDE, so I installed it, but the wireless connection doesn't work, when in GNOME it did. Moreover, if I enter to GNOME and then close session and go to KDE it works
[20:44] <miquel_puig> you can check my syslog, iwconfig and ifconfig here: http://pastebin.php-es.info/1234
[20:45] <virtualman> !br
[20:48] <_CrashMaster_> miquel_puig: hang on, Im looking at it
[20:48] <miquel_puig> sure, thanks
[20:49] <_CrashMaster_> hm. looks like everything is ok.. what exactly are your symptoms?
[20:49] <miquel_puig> well...
[20:50] <miquel_puig> in KDE internet just doesn't work, any ping gets a "network unreachable" message
[20:50] <miquel_puig> even to the router
[20:50] <_CrashMaster_> And you're sure you've succesfully associated to your WAP?
[20:51] <miquel_puig> it's WEP, and yes, because in GNOME works fine
[20:52] <_CrashMaster_> So.. you start KDE and can't connect  to the network. But if you start Gnome and then switch to KDE you can connect?
[20:52] <miquel_puig> right
[20:52] <_CrashMaster_> What application are you using in KDE to manage your network connections?
[20:53] <miquel_puig> hmm I think it's Kmenu/preferences/internet/wireless manager or sth alike
[20:54] <_CrashMaster_> try Knetworkmanager. Kmenu / Internet / Knetworkmanager
[20:54] <miquel_puig> ok, I'll try
[21:09] <mrksbrd> anyone know how to extract an .exe file to get the contents??
[21:10] <Agent_bob> unzip file.exe
[21:10] <mrksbrd> asking me for a program to do it though
[21:11] <Agent_bob> are you sure it's an execitable zip file then ?
[21:11] <Agent_bob> maybe some wierd warper around a cab file or something
[21:13] <mrksbrd> it is a windows driver package exe file for my wifi card
[21:13] <_CrashMaster_> and extractable .exe sounds like a win32 binary.
[21:13] <mrksbrd> ark will not do it since it is a windows file
[21:14] <_CrashMaster_> Extract it via Wine
[21:15] <mrksbrd> all i need is the inf file for my wificard...the one I have gotten thru here doesn't want to work  even though i had it running in the past
[21:15] <_CrashMaster_> mrksbrd: Sounds like you're using ndiswrapper, which means you'll need the .inf and the .sys drivers.
[21:15] <_CrashMaster_> mrksbrd: do you have a running Windows box anywhere?
[21:16] <mrksbrd> this is a dual boot machine
[21:17] <mrksbrd> guess i'll have to boot up windows....just wasn't sure if linux had the capabilities to do the same
[21:17] <Agent_bob> err umm is the .inf not in C:\windows\inf\ ?
[21:17] <mrksbrd> should be
[21:18] <mrksbrd> not sure if i can access it from linux side though
[21:18] <_CrashMaster_> Agent_bob: Not if he hasn't extracted the drivers
[21:18] <_CrashMaster_> mrksbrd: You have a flash drive, or a CD burner?
[21:19] <mrksbrd> flash
[21:19] <_CrashMaster_> boot to windows, extract your files to the flash drive, then boot back in linux.
[21:19] <rav> hello. I installed hplip 2.8.5 from a binary, and now I want to go back to the official kubuntu version 2.8.2. I've tried removing /usr/share/hplip, but when I install 2.8.2 I can't use it
[21:19] <_CrashMaster_> Linux will see the flash drive and you can copy  / use your files as needed.
[21:20] <mrksbrd> yea was as simple as it sounds i now like to use windows as little as possible.....but if i must
[21:21] <mrksbrd> thanks all
[21:21] <Agent_bob> _CrashMaster_ ?    never mind.   we aren't on the same page.
[21:21] <_CrashMaster_> Agent_bob: I dont even know what book we're reading.
[21:22] <Agent_bob> _CrashMaster_ :)
[21:23] <Agent_bob> rav sounds like the config file needs purged
[21:24] <Agent_bob> rav maybe something like  sudo apt-get -P remove cupsys hplip ;sudo apt-get install cupsys hplip
[21:24] <Agent_bob> s/-P/--purge/
[21:25] <rav> Agent_bob: I tried purging hplip and it didn't work. will purging cups help?
[21:25] <Agent_bob> try it
[21:26] <zabbadapp> Kopete (3.x in Kubuntu 8.04) with the OTR crypto plugin seems to ignore any character encoding settings for a contact (I get utf-8 text shown as non variable-mulitbyte). Or am I doing it wrong?
[21:28] <rav> Agent_bob: it wants to uninstall kubuntu-dekstop
[21:29] <helpy> how do you run commands as root ?
[21:29] <helpy> or get owner's access for specific actions ?
[21:29] <darkdelusions> Does anyone know if they updated the kde 4.1 packages recently with a more recent build?
[21:30] <Agent_bob> rav so let it.  you lose nothing thre.
[21:30] <Agent_bob> there
[21:31] <_CrashMaster_> helpy: use "sudo"
[21:31] <Agent_bob> !sudo helpy
[21:31] <Agent_bob> !sudo | helpy
[21:31] <helpy> yea but i want to delete a folder from my home directory in konqueror
[21:31] <helpy> how do i do that with root privilege ?
[21:32] <milos> kdesu konqueror
[21:32] <Agent_bob> why use konq just to del a dir ?    sudo rm -R path/
[21:33] <Agent_bob> why use konq just to del a dir ?    sudo rm -R dir
[21:33] <helpy> umm
[21:33] <helpy> lets see
[21:34] <elbasan> hey I am new on this linux but when I go to add or remove programs- internet- firefox is green I can't clik on to install
[21:34] <Agent_bob> if you use konq it will probably trash it rather than deleting it anyway.    and if you have root owned crap in your home dir there is something wrong with what you've been doing anyway
[21:34] <milos> Agent_bob: some people like GUI apps. Do not ram command line down their throats :-)
[21:35] <helpy> thanks it worked milos
[21:35] <helpy> thanks Agent_bob
[21:35] <rav> Agent_bob: still not working
[21:35] <milos> helpy: type "kdesu konqueror" and press Enter. Enter the root password at the prompt. Type Shift-Delete to delete files (they will NOT go to trash)
[21:36] <Agent_bob> rav give me a sec.
[21:36] <elbasan> hey any help with this kubuntu I am going crazy
[21:37] <FTB|Schlaaaand> Schlaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand
[21:38] <milos> elbasan: Describe your problem without undue emotion :-)
[21:38] <bs_> hallo
[21:38] <Agent_bob> rav check in  /etc/hp/hplip.conf
[21:39] <milos> elbasan: provide exact details, your actions, Kubuntu responses.
[21:39] <Agent_bob> rav check it's "home" and "run" settings      >>> home=/usr/lib/hplip  run=/var/run/hplip
[21:39] <elbasan> how to install firefox or macromedia flash or any other programs from internet
[21:40] <rav> Agent_bob: i have that file. run is just '/var/run'
[21:40] <milos> You need to spend some time reading basic documentation. It's like you were asking how to operate a car parking automat when the procedure is written right on the parking automat itself.
[21:40] <elbasan> hahhaha
[21:40] <Agent_bob> rev ok home is the more important var there
[21:41] <rav> Agent_bob: and home is /usr/share/hplip
[21:41] <milos> elbasan: when you click the Start button there is a menu item called "Add/Remove programs'.
[21:41] <Agent_bob> rav try changing it's home   see if it helps.  you'll have to restart it too     sudo /etc/init.d/hplip* restart
[21:42] <elbasan> when I go to add or remove programs-- internet-- firefox is green I can not clik on so that I can install
[21:42] <bestpvp> whats the best way to deteck your drives?
[21:43] <Agent_bob> bestpvp hdd's ?
[21:43] <bestpvp> yeah
[21:43] <Agent_bob> bestpvp cat /proc/partitions
[21:43] <Agent_bob> bestpvp if you need more info use     sudo fdisk -l      and if that's not enough    lswh | less
[21:44] <Agent_bob> ooops   lshw | less
[21:44] <Agent_bob> typo.
[21:44] <rav> Agent_bob: there's no hplip on /etc/init.d
[21:44] <milos> elbasan: I have never seen any green color in Add/Remove programs.
[21:44] <bestpvp> i see the usb drives
[21:44] <Agent_bob> rav ah.  maybe that's a problem  o.O
[21:44] <rav> reboot?
[21:44] <bestpvp> not sure if there mounted or not that
[21:44] <Agent_bob> rav what for ?
[21:45] <rav> Agent_bob: last resort
[21:45] <milos> elbasan: but if Add/Remove programs is malfunctioning, run Adept Manager.
[21:45] <Agent_bob> rav of a windows user maybe.
[21:46] <Agent_bob> rav   grep etc/init.d /var/lib/dpkg/info/hplip.list
[21:46] <rav> Agent_bob: no result
[21:46] <Agent_bob> ;/
[21:46] <Agent_bob> ok!
[21:48] <Agent_bob> rav   grep etc/init.d /var/lib/dpkg/info/hpoj.list
[21:48] <rav> Agent_bob: No such file or directory
[21:48] <Agent_bob> rav how did you install hplip ?
[21:49] <elbasan> when I go to adept manager I search for firefox and I get mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb status installed
[21:49] <rav> Agent_bob: i installed the binary for version 2.8.5. Then uninstalled it according to HPLIP's website, and installed version 2.8.2 with aptitude.
[21:50] <bestpvp> hey
[21:50] <bestpvp> do usb drives get called elements?
[21:50] <Agent_bob> rav and aptitude didn't throw any errors at you ?
[21:50] <rav> Agent_bob: no
[21:50] <Agent_bob> rav hmmm
[21:51] <milos> elbasan: you need to have "firefox" or "firefox-3.0" or "firefox-2.0" installed.
[21:51] <Agent_bob> rav you still have the bin package ?
[21:51] <milos> elbasan: is your Kubuntu version 8.04 ???
[21:52] <rav> Agent_bob: no, deleted it
[21:52] <Agent_bob> ;/
[21:52] <bestpvp> how do u dedect mounted drives?
[21:52] <Agent_bob> df -h
[21:52] <Agent_bob> or mount
[21:53] <Agent_bob> rav umm i'm thinking.   i'll get back to you,   if no one else jumps in.
[21:53] <milos> elbasan: you need to have "firefox" or "firefox-3.0" or "firefox-2" installed.
[21:53] <rav> Agent_bob: i'll try re-installing the 2.8.5 bin
[21:53] <elbasan> NO my I got the CD from my friend on the CD it is 6.10
[21:54] <bestpvp> i can't find those usb drive there
[21:54] <elbasan> can I update through internet
[21:54] <milos> elbasan: Gee that is ancient Linux. Two years old. You are wasting your time and our time. Get the latest Kubuntu.
[21:55] <Agent_bob> bestpvp oh usb,  that's probably in /proc/usb  or /proc/bus/usb   something err other i don't mess with that much
[21:55] <Agent_bob> bestpvp what exactly have you got ?
[21:55] <elbasan> ok thanks man for your help
[21:55] <milos> elbasan: I do not recommend updating. You would need to go through all versions between 6.10 and 8.04. You would spend at least two whole days doing it
[21:56] <bestpvp> well theres 2 usb drives
[21:56] <Agent_bob> rav maybe install hpoj and see if it fixes it ?
[21:56] <elbasan> thanks milos
[21:56] <slow-motion> n8
[21:56] <bestpvp> sdc1 and sdd1
[21:56] <milos> elbasan: download fresh Kubuntu. Burn to CD. Install new Kubuntu (with HD partition reformatting). This will take 30 minutes.
[21:57] <Agent_bob> bestpvp external hdd, flash thumb drive or what ?
[21:57] <bestpvp> well there 500gb each
[21:57] <rav> Agent_bob: trying that now
[21:57] <bestpvp> externals
[21:58] <Agent_bob> bestpvp ok.   now i know what you have.   what are you trying to get it to do ?
[21:59] <bestpvp> well trying to find away to access them hehe
[22:01] <Agent_bob> bestpvp how about "konqueror: media:// "    or as root: "mkdir -p /media/sdc1 /media/sdd1 ;mount /dev/sdc1 /media/sdc1 ;mount /dev/sdd1 /media/sdd1 "
[22:02] <Agent_bob> the first uses the kio slave socket to access the devices  the second is the historic linux way of accessing media "you mount it"
[22:03] <rav> Agent_bob: in installed that, and now I can configure OfficeJets. But hplip is still broken
[22:04] <Agent_bob> bestpvp the "blkid "  the block id of the file system/s is displayed which can be used to make the devices permanant if you want to go that way
[22:05] <Agent_bob> rav idk.   i'm at a loss on that one.   one other thing that might but probably wont help    sudo apt-get --force-all install hplip
[22:06] <Agent_bob> or is it force-yes in apt ???
[22:06] <Agent_bob> force-all is a dpkg switch
[22:07] <Agent_bob> oh and --reinstall  that  ^
[22:07] <blondie> how do you create a script to execute a command?
[22:07] <Agent_bob> but like i said,  i doubt that will help   seeing that you have already purged it and reinstalled it...
[22:07] <Ashex> can anyone tell me where the flash plugin is saved?
[22:07] <Ashex> libflashplayer.so?
[22:08] <Agent_bob> blondie echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\necho "this is my first script"' > script.sh ;chmod 755 script
[22:08] <rav> Agent_bob: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21488/
[22:09] <Agent_bob> blondie drop that in a terminal and you'll have made your first one.
[22:10] <Agent_bob> rav hmmm. py module errors.   i'm not a snake charmer
[22:10] <Agent_bob> maybe someone else can answer that one.
[22:11] <Agent_bob> blondie if you do as described above you'll have a working example;   you can remove the line that reads  echo "this is my first script"    and put any command there.
[22:12] <jfpaquin> Hello world!
[22:13] <Agent_bob> err add .sh to chmod script(.sh)     :)
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[22:16] <Agent_bob> echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\necho "Hello world!"' > my_script.sh ;chmod 755 my_script.sh
[22:16] <Agent_bob> jfpaquin ^
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: bice!
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> *nice
[22:17] <Agent_bob> :)
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: arnie likes one liners too ;)
[22:18] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip ?
[22:18] <Agent_bob> oh arnie   :)
[22:18] <ricardo> oi
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: arnold schwarzeneggar
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> sup ricardo]
[22:19] <SegSis> ola
[22:19] <Agent_bob> !es
[22:19] <SegSis> hola!!
[22:23] <Agent_bob> well they are almost finished updating and patching dapper,  so it's almost time to tell everyone to not use it anymore...    ?    what am i missing about that phylosophi ?      i would think that it's now time to "release" it ...
[22:24] <Agent_bob> it's like saying "i got all the programs working on this system, so it's time to delete the system and try something that doesn't work..."

  the idea must not be to supply a stable usable system, but rather to "develop software" endlessly and for naugh. </conclusion>
[22:27] <jmichaelx> what is the deal with "
[22:27] <jmichaelx> The desktop entry file
[22:27] <jmichaelx> /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop
[22:27] <jmichaelx> has an invalid menu entry
[22:27] <jmichaelx> addAsPodcast.
[22:27] <jmichaelx> good grief
[22:27] <jmichaelx> apologies, i didn't mean for that to happen
[22:28] <Agent_bob> don't apologize, just state your remorse.
[22:29] <jmichaelx> what is the deal with "The desktop entry file /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop has an invalid menu entry addAsPodcast." showing up whenever a person mouses over the icon for an .html file in dolphin?
[22:29] <jmichaelx> AND.... i am eternally remorseful for my grave error.
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: if you dont need it you can remove it
[22:30] <jmichaelx> remove what?
[22:30] <Agent_bob>  what is the deal with "The desktop entry file
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> the .desktop file, then it wont do it
[22:31] <jmichaelx> ActionParsnip: it isn't a dektop file.
[22:31] <Agent_bob> now i'm remorseful ".'
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop IS a file
[22:31] <Agent_bob>   /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: how is it NOT a file?
[22:32] <jmichaelx> ActionParsnip: of course it is a file... it isn't a desktop file, and this happens when i mouse over the icon for ANY saved .html file.... in any dir
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: exactly, that file makes it do that. move the file out of there and see what happens, if you like it, delete it
[22:32] <Agent_bob> it says it's a desktop file
[22:33] <Agent_bob> sudo mv /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop /
[22:33] <jmichaelx> yes, it calls every saved .html file a desktop file... and gives an error related to amarok podcasts.
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: its fairly straight forward, you can also add your own to give your own behaviours as you have seen but with something more functional to your needs
[22:33] <jmichaelx> ok, it makes sense to you, but makes none to me. i save an .html file... and then get an error about amarok podcasts when i mouse over it. that makes total sense.
[22:34] <Agent_bob> sudo mv /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop /
[22:34] <Agent_bob> jmichaelx     ^
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: maybe the .desktop file describes mouse over actions
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: id just remove it
[22:34] <jmichaelx> how is it that you guys would not regard this to be a bug?
[22:35] <Agent_bob> i didn't say it wasn't a bug
[22:35] <Agent_bob> did you ActionParsnip ?
[22:35] <Agent_bob> but we both repeted how to fix it
[22:35] <jmichaelx> ok, but you did act as if this would be expected, normal behavior, which it is not
[22:35] <Agent_bob> sudo mv /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop /
[22:35] <jmichaelx> yes, you are indeed repeating yourself.
[22:35] <Agent_bob> yep.   you noticed.
[22:36] <Agent_bob> you are too....
[22:36] <Lam_> I'm looking for a program that can cut up a batch of video files, preferably without quality loss and with a GUI.  Anyone have suggestions?
[22:37] <Agent_bob> !bug | jmichaelx incase you didn't know where you could/should report bugs
[22:38] <jmichaelx> Agent_bob: i was not intending to report a bug, i was wondering if this was a commonly known issue to someone present in this channel. apparently it is.
[22:39]  * Agent_bob is again remorseful ;'(
[22:39]  * jmichaelx is also remorseful
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: .desktop files are powerful but can be quirky and cause weird stuff
[22:39] <jmichaelx> ActionParsnip: obviously so
[22:39]  * ActionParsnip has heineken
[22:40] <Agent_bob> that's good beer
[22:40] <Agent_bob> as beer goes.
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> damn right
[22:40] <jmichaelx> i simply would not have considered a file that was never in the /Desktop dir to be a .desktop.
[22:40] <jmichaelx> or be asscoiated with amarok podcasts
[22:40] <jmichaelx> associated*
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: the .desktop is not related to amarok
[22:41] <Agent_bob> jmichaelx most of your "desktop" files are not in your ~/Desktop
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: the behaviour the file gives just happens to be related to amarok
[22:41] <jmichaelx> ActionParsnip:  no, it isn't related to amarok, but amarok is mentioned in the error i was getting... but anyways, i appreciate the solution
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: you could have one that makes the file be renamed to the data
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> date*
[22:42] <Agent_bob> or asks ubottu out on a date ....   ;/
[22:43] <Agent_bob> i mean why couldn't a .desktop file ask an irc bot out ?
[22:43] <jmichaelx> that bot is an overused hussy... i would never recommend anyone ask it out
[22:43] <Agent_bob> !botsnack | ubottu
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> the bot is hilarious
[22:44] <jmichaelx> ...or anything
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> !coffee | jmichaelx
[22:44] <jmichaelx> the bot is a fluzy
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> !anything | jmichaelx
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> the bot is just really handy for redirecting none english speakers
[22:45] <jmichaelx> when i grow up, i would like to be a mod, and somehow ban ubottu
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: you'll have stdin to answer to for that
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: its his pride and joy
[22:46] <Agent_bob> he may go postal and become stderr on you
[22:46] <jmichaelx> if i recall, the bot's name did not always include two T's
[22:46] <Agent_bob> was ubotu
[22:46] <jmichaelx> well, i would enver want to offend stdin
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> ask it :)
[22:47] <jmichaelx> !ubotu
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> !ubotu
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> ehhe
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: no, hes a smart guy and helps lots
[22:47] <jmichaelx> stdin is one of the most helpful #kubuntu folks in history
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> i try and help too, but i hate compiz issues
[22:48]  * Agent_bob tries to not help so much.... but!
[22:48] <jmichaelx> i just hate compiz
[22:49] <BluesKaj> compiz issue don't really belong in here anyway
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> i run it for giggles
[22:49] <BluesKaj> issues
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> i also use a vista theme for irony
[22:49] <Canageek> Um, if dpkg is screwed up and I can't figure out whats wrong is this the palace to get help? I've tried googleing the error message and thats didn't get anything useful.....
[22:49] <jmichaelx> i run compiz to moomentarily mesmerize friends... then shut it off otherwise
[22:49] <_2> !info icewm95
[22:49] <jmichaelx> this is indeed quite the palace
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> Canageek: whats the error?
[22:50] <_2> oh.
[22:50] <_2> !info fvwm95
[22:50] <_2> well what did they do ?   just drop that
[22:50] <_2> fvwm95 - Win95 lookalike Window Manager for X
[22:51] <jmichaelx> i cannot get involved, i am still extremely distraught over the removal of xmms.
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> !icewm
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> !xmms
[22:51] <jmichaelx> audacious sucks
[22:52] <_2> was pretty light weight and could fool some people into thinking you were running win95   but in reality it was too advanced to have been win95
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: xmms come in fluxbuntu, gimme a sec
[22:52] <Canageek> hey, never mind I think I fixed it
[22:52] <jmichaelx> ActionParsnip: i have it, but had to compile it on two machines
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: best way :)
[22:53] <_2> is audacious anything like audicity ?
[22:53] <jmichaelx> the compiling went well, although the volume control slide does not work
[22:53] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, xmms2 is available ...is there a negative difference ?
[22:54] <_2> !info audacious
[22:54] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: there is. maybe xmms2 will be a replacement in the future, but it has no decent GUI at the moment (at least imho)
[22:54] <_2> !info audicity
[22:54] <jmichaelx> it's audacity
[22:54] <BluesKaj> audacity
[22:54] <_2> !info audacity
[22:54] <jmichaelx> and no, audacious and audacity are not at all alike
[22:55] <CDJMarc> exit
[22:55] <_2>  audacity is 8x the size of o audacious
[22:55] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, so not an amarok fan then
[22:55] <WaY> hello
[22:55] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: i use mplayer or aplay
[22:56] <_2> sox here
[22:56] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i love amarok, but nothing replaces xmms for an app that comes on instantly when playing streaming audio, or a simgle audio file
[22:56] <_2> and vlc
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: and amarok for XUL script :D
[22:56] <WaY> I've installed kde4 and kde-artworkkde4 and no new decoration themes appeared on mi menu. What happened?
[22:57] <_2> can i !kde4 that ?
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> !kde4
[22:57] <jmichaelx> audacious chokes on streaming audio fairly frequently for me, which doen't happen with xmms
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> _2: yep
[22:57] <_2> no.  you beet me to it.
[22:57] <WaY> thanks a lot
[22:57] <WaY> and excuse me
[22:57] <jmichaelx> actually, kde4.0.5 is out, isn't it?
[22:58] <_2> 4.1 is being used by many   but "official" may be a key word
[22:59] <jmichaelx> i think 4.0.5 is official, however, and in the repos
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> is everything kde4 friendly now?
[23:02] <joseph> so is there a date where kde4 in kubuntu is stable?
[23:04] <lakis1982> hiii . when i press suspend button computer goes into sleep mode... but after , when i press the power button the computer starts running normally , but screen doesnt start .. and then i have to restart the system ...  can u help me ??
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> lakis1982: you got suspend working. cool
[23:06] <lakis1982> yes but its not function well
[23:06] <lakis1982> i cant resume after suspend... screen remains black
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> lakis1982: looks well documented
[23:08] <_2> in a shell what means  !`  ?
[23:09] <_2> it seems to expand to  " `cat testing.sh` "
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> lakis1982: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-80169.html
[23:09] <jmichaelx> ActionParsnip: perhaps you good point him to that documentation?
[23:09] <jmichaelx> good
[23:09] <lakis1982> let me see
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: im in here a fair bit bro
[23:10] <lakis1982> it doesnt say anything
[23:11] <_2> it expands to something in the .bash_history file ?
[23:11] <ActionParsnip> _2: wassup
[23:11] <jmichaelx> ActionParsnip: i am sure you are. i wrongly guessed you were going to mention his issue being well documented, and leave it at that. my assumption was false, although that is common irc behavior by some
[23:11] <ActionParsnip> lakis1982: search for blank screen after hibernate
[23:11] <ActionParsnip> jmichaelx: yeah, usually none helpful folks
[23:12] <_2> ActionParsnip what does   !`   expand to ?   i just found that i can't put an ! near the end of an `command `
[23:13] <ActionParsnip> _2: it just means 'end@ afaik
[23:13] <_2> i knew that #! would fall on it's face  but i didn't know that !` would
[23:14] <_2> ActionParsnip nope.    test this.    echo "`echo boo !`"
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> _2: usually you put it at the start of bash scripts
[23:14] <_2> it should say "boo !"   right  ?
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> werd engineer
[23:14] <engineer> ActionParsnip ?
[23:14] <_2> but the   !`  expands to some command
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> _2: bash: !`": event not found
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> engineer: just saying howdy
[23:15] <_2> exactly,   but why ?
[23:15] <engineer> fine ActionParsnip what about you?
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> engineer: chillin, happy portugal got knocked out :D
[23:15] <engineer> yeah, why?
[23:15] <engineer> you german?
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> engineer: I think ronaldo is a smug little wussy boy
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> engineer: UK here man
[23:16] <engineer> i've cried sometimes when i lost an importan volleyball match
[23:16] <engineer> sometimes feelings takeover the control of the situation
[23:17] <_2> ActionParsnip     test these two.    echo "`echo boo !`" ;echo "`echo boo ! `"  # the second works, the first errors out.   the char combo  !`  means something to bash,  but what?
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> _2: bash: !`": event not found
[23:22] <NickPresta> _2, using "!"  Do this: `ls` Then do: `!l`
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> _2: try history
[23:22] <NickPresta> _2, you can read about the ! character here: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/special-chars.html and http://www.deadman.org/bash.html
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> _2: the ! some numbr, it will rerun that command
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> NickPresta: nice one dude
[23:22] <FoxIII> uhm. I think kubuntu has crashed :( Trying to install amarok but it's just constantly downloading the same file over and over. I've tried stopping it, cleaning it up and trying again, but still doing the same.
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> FoxIII: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get install amarok
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> FoxIII: should sort you out, if not head back here
[23:26] <braden_> whats up fellas
[23:26] <braden_> what up
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> braden_: nm man you ok
[23:27] <braden_> ya im good, haha ive never used this thing, this is pretty badass
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> braden_: its good to get help man
[23:27] <_2> yuch.   howto turn history expansion off ?
[23:27] <braden_> so is that what this is for
[23:28] <braden_> oh cool
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> _2: so you dont want a history file?
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> _2: the history file is also used when you press up cursor like a DosKey
[23:29] <_2> ActionParsnip i didn't say that.  i like uparrow histry just fine.  i just don't like   echo " !"   expanding to anything that i have done with a " in it.
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> _2: dont type that command then i guess]
[23:30] <_2> ;/   or recompile bash again.
[23:30] <_2> i already made it fully posix compliant,   now i could turn this "feature" bug off.
[23:32] <_2> i use the shell way too much for that to get in my way.    but it's odd that i haven't found it until now.     probably overlooked the cause of syntax errors in the past...
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> _2: alias it to do nothing in .bashrc
[23:35] <_2> ActionParsnip doesn't help,
[23:36] <_2> the shell is expanding it,  it's not being called as a command.  an alias of function would work there   but it's just a shell "special" char
[23:36] <filo1234> someone know repos for VB on feisty?
[23:37] <_2> echo "boo !"  <<< the only thing that one could alias there is the "echo" command.
[23:37] <NickPresta> filo1234, VB? Visual Basic?
[23:38] <filo1234> virtualbox
[23:38] <NickPresta> filo1234, hehe.
[23:38] <NickPresta> !virtualbox | filo1234
[23:38] <_2> i supose if i link null to bash_history it would at least error out rather than running arbatrarry code
[23:43] <filo1234> NickPresta:  thank you
[23:44] <_2> ah ha!   set +H
[23:44]  * _2 puts that in his /etc/profile
[23:45] <diceman> hello here
[23:46]  * _2 considers it a safer shell now.
[23:50] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, just go all selinux on it.
[23:53] <katoda> hi all
[23:54] <katoda> I'm using Dapper 6.06 LTS (not possible to update)
[23:54] <katoda> how can I add my own entries to media:/?
[23:54] <katoda> (I have an entry in /etc/fstab, but when I try to enter media:/hdd i get malformed URL error)
[23:56] <katoda> ./dev/hdd is mounted to /media/cdrom1, when I access /media/cdrom1 with konqueror I can browse my DVD
[23:59] <diceman> joomla!


[00:48] <idris> hi, how can I enable DisplayLink on 22.04.2, already installed displaylink-driver from synaptic but lsusb doesn't list any displaylink devices...
[00:50] <idris> https://www.synaptics.com/products/displaylink-graphics/downloads/ubuntu
[00:53] <l88l> hi all could you help me please see pastebin https://pastebin.com/RGqxfF1y
[00:53] <l88l> re bios uefi
[00:54] <l88l> installation and partitoning for a board with bios only and wanting the correct part table (mbr gpt)
[00:58] <tomreyn> idris: i recommend reading the overview on top of https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DisplayLink (while this is for arch linux, any more generic statements will also apply to ubuntu)
[01:00] <tomreyn> l88l: i recommend against your approach of installing 4 linux distros on a single disk, as bare metal bootable. there is most likely no actual use case for that, and it involves complexities you probably don't need to expose yourself to.
[01:01] <tomreyn> l88l: if this is a persnoal desktop / laptop / daily driver computer, then choose one distro, and use containers or virtualization to run the others,
[01:03] <tomreyn> if you still think you have a use case for booting 4 linux distros from bare metal, shall we discuss it?
[01:05] <tomreyn> this mainboard is really old, you'll be able to dave a lot of energy if you'll use a more recent one.
[01:06] <tomreyn> *save, not dave :)
[01:10] <l88l> sorry pc crashed
[01:13] <tomreyn> l88l: https://dpaste.org/kU2QV
[01:14] <l88l> tomreyn, ty do you have a better idea (main os bare-metal other os on vm qemu etcetera
[01:14] <tomreyn> l88l: i still don't know your use case. why do you need multiple linux distros?
[01:15] <tomreyn> i'm asking because recommending a suitable alterantive approach is really difficult without knowing that
[01:16] <l88l> i like to take have one os i can use most days windows server and desktop for skool lab work and other partitions for testing the water(see what its all about:testdrive distro)
[01:16] <l88l> so i mess with Ubuntu or MXlinux most days
[01:16] <l88l> and use the rest on a vm perhaps?
[01:17] <tomreyn> sounds like a perfect use case for containers / VMs to me.
[01:17] <l88l> can i containerize an OS or just a service
[01:17] <tomreyn> still, you may want newer hardware
[01:17] <l88l> lol i do
[01:18]  * l88l laughs endlessly
[01:18] <tomreyn> you can containerize linux on linux
[01:18] <l88l> whats proxmox is it containerization
[01:18] <l88l> manager
[01:19] <l88l> *a containerization manager?
[01:19] <tomreyn> i think VMs only, but not sure. it's not part of ubuntu
[01:19] <l88l> all g reading google
[01:20] <tomreyn> actually proxmox seems to support LXC
[01:21] <tomreyn> so i guess it supports either
[01:21] <tomreyn> but you could also use LXC or LXD directly on ubuntu
[01:21] <tomreyn> or KVM for virtualization
[01:22] <l88l> got you, is proxmox a linux thing being foss or more aimed at sysadmins using windows?
[01:23] <l88l> saw it on a video youtube, dont know much more about it other than what im scan reading while talking to you
[01:23] <tomreyn> that's really beyond the scope of this channel, so i'll need to refer you to !alis, #linux and a web search.
[01:24] <tomreyn> !alis
[01:24] <l88l> fair point sorry will keep on topic
[01:50] <Manikariza> Learn all about Mickey Mouse getting his ass arrested on the Chris Hansen show for trying to hook up with a 13 y/o boy online!  Those Disney pervs will stop at nothing!  Read all about it here!  Mickey Mouse busted trying to diddle a little boy! https://pastebin.com/edvNf8kn
[01:51] <leftyfb>  !op | Manikariza
[01:52] <Manikariza> same as lefty
[02:04] <l88l> is it possible to install Ubuntu with out an efi partiton being automatically made for you-how(i have no UEFI and want to install grub to mbr)
[02:08] <l88l> how do i make a Ubuntu usb installer that i can boot in a non UEFI mode
[02:09] <l88l> some of what i've reads leads me to think that in spite of my system being mbr/bios only the usb installer can launch in either bios or uefi mode?
[02:09] <l88l> even on my system
[02:10] <l88l> am i getting confused(conflating of two separate un-related subjects)
[02:10] <rbox> huh?
[02:10] <rbox> what happens when you boot it
[02:10] <l88l> i know sound stupid to me also
[02:11] <l88l> so i have a pc that i boot and it has no uefi capabillity, how ever ubuntu when installed always makes an efi partiton
[02:11] <l88l> why
[02:11] <l88l> i have no uefi
[02:11] <l88l> so my make the partition
[02:11] <rbox> why does it matter if there is an efi partition?
[02:11] <rbox> does it not boot?
[02:12] <l88l> i thought the efi partition stores all the boot info for UEFI-hence it existence
[02:12] <l88l> i think im getting the old confused with the new
[02:12] <rbox> what?
[02:12] <l88l> efi and uefi
[02:12] <rbox> does your system boot
[02:12] <rbox> yes or no
[02:13] <l88l> it boots
[02:13] <rbox> and the problem is...
[02:13] <l88l> but i have a partiton that i beleive to be useless and don't know why installer created it, the efi parition
[02:13] <rbox> OMG
[02:13] <rbox> ITS USELESS!?
[02:13] <l88l> i thought my system being legacy bios would use first sector area for mbr
[02:14] <rbox> who says its not?
[02:14] <l88l> explain to me what assumptions of mine are wrong
[02:14] <l88l> trying to learn
[02:14] <l88l> me stupid you wise
[02:14] <rbox> the assumption that there is something wrong
[02:14] <l88l> ty
[02:17] <l88l> rbox system boots slow Ubuntu 22.04 how to fix
[02:17] <l88l> reason for my investigating grub efi uefi etc
[02:17] <rbox> systemd-analyze can show you slow t hings
[02:17] <l88l> goal install ubuntu boot fast not take over 3mins
[02:17] <l88l> tried that
[02:18] <l88l> seen output
[02:18] <l88l> all of a sudden two versions of LTS boot very slow, compared to prior releases
[02:19] <l88l> thought it may have to do with disk partion table format or booting mode(uefi vs mbr) even thought my motherboard cant support UEFI
[02:19] <jhutchins> Should we tell hime to install the "bootfaster" package?
[02:20] <l88l> is that in AUR
[02:20] <rbox> l88l: oce the kernel loads, how it was loaded is irrelvent
[02:20] <jhutchins> l88l: There are systemd tools that will show you what services are delaying the boot process.
[02:21] <jhutchins> l88l: As distributed, the system is a compromise among several properties - speed being one of them.  Size and reliability are others.
[02:22] <jhutchins> I do know a guy who built his own init system.  It was a little bit faster than the SysV of the time.
[02:22] <l88l> i get it gnome is fully prepared and loads servcies to make stuff open quickly-there is a cost
[02:22] <l88l> mx linux
[02:22] <l88l> uses it
[02:23] <l88l> works so fast on this old hardware
[02:23] <EriC^^> l88l: lately ubuntu just creates efi partition, installer has gotten "let's throw things at the wall and see what sticks" kind of attitude
[02:23] <l88l> but ubuntu has slowed down in recent releases for my hardware
[02:23] <l88l> ty EriC^^
[02:23] <EriC^^> l88l: did you try the systemd analyzer and the 'blame' option to see what's taking time while booting?
[02:24] <l88l> yes
[02:24] <jhutchins> l88l: Seriously, investigating what's slowing down your boot process is going to get you a lot farther than complaining here.
[02:24] <l88l> jhutchins, go home mate
[02:24] <l88l> thanks Eric
[02:24] <l88l> and others
[02:24] <EriC^^> can you share the output of both?
[02:24] <jhutchins> l88l: I would imagine that if it's not a problem specific to your hardware there are articles on speeding it up.
[02:24] <l88l> i will
[02:25] <EriC^^> l88l: also the boot process in /var/log/syslog might shed some light
[02:26] <l88l> what would you suggest i grep from /var/log/syslog
[02:28] <l88l> gonna install again and share it then
[02:28] <l88l> running other os atm
[04:21] <wontfix[m]> The Ubuntu brand resource website at https://design.ubuntu.com/resources doesn't actually contain the post-2022 logo for just Ubuntu. The logo is located as a clickable logo on the previous page at https://design.ubuntu.com/brand  in order to get to the resources page that is missing that logo. This is extremely confusing.
[08:12] <weedmic> cheers!  what does " ." do in this command:  "nautilus ."?
[08:17] <ogra> weedmic, . points to the dir you are currently in in your terminal ... so "nautilus ." will open a file manager window in that dir
[08:32] <weedmic> i saw it was like dolphin - i was looking for the equivalent of the software manager like muon in kubuntu - do u know what that is?
[08:39] <akik> weedmic: maybe plasma-discover
[08:39] <akik> weedmic: or do you mean for installed packages?
[08:41] <akik> weedmic: aptitude is one but it might be only for the terminal
[08:50] <weedmic> yast software manager or muon package manager are guis that let you search for a package and tells you if it is installed, whether you want it to be blocked from updating, or whether it is available to be installed.  i shall check aptitude as that sounds familiar.
[09:12] <ogra> weedmic, perhaps the people in #kubuntu know more 😉
[10:35] <uf> third time's a charm. i have two LXC where one is fine and the other isn't. i can't apt upgrade it because of a wrong systemd version or something. i forcefully removed systemd and then installed, but it fails to install https://dpaste.org/NOhhu/raw
[10:36] <uf> the only difference i can see between the LXCs is that one has /var/cache/man owned by root:man and the other nobody:nogroup
[10:36] <uf> and apparently i cant even change that for some reason because chown: changing ownership of '/var/cache/man': Operation not permitted
[10:37] <ogra> smells liks your password and group database is messed up in the one that has nobody:nogroup ...
[10:37] <ogra> *like
[10:38] <uf> i guess that's possible. what's the right way to fix this?
[10:41] <ogra> there is no easy way in case the files are corrupt or missing since debs create system users dynamically, that means the UID/GID is different on each system, depending on the order the packages were installed
[10:42] <ogra> so you can not just copy /etc/passwd or /etc/group from another system
[10:43] <ogra> (though it would be interesting to find out how you got into that situation in the first place)
[10:44] <uf> i've no idea, this lxc has ever only ran wireguard
[10:45] <uf> do i have no choice other than re-installing the system?
[10:51] <ogra> uf, re-creaing the container you mean ...
[10:51] <ogra> *creating
[10:51] <uf> and re-configuring wireguard (:
[10:58] <uf> comparing /etc/passwd and /etc/group between the good and bad lxc dont seem like there's any problems with them
[11:00] <ogra> then there might be something wrong with bits and pieces processing them perhaps ... some missing pam modules/libs for example
[11:06] <uf> can't i just let apt reinstall everything it can and see how it goes? i've a snapshot of the lxc so i don't really mind risking it
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:20] <Skiltonian> Don't let Micky Mouse diddle your little boy!  Mickey was busted by Chris Hansen on To Catch a Predator trying to buttscrew a 13 y/o boy in a sting operation!  Read all about it here:  https://pastebin.com/edvNf8kn   Ron Desantis 2024
[12:45] <Jym> I have something screwy going on with dns it seems. Running v18 LTS but now is seems DNS isn't always available in shell or even software update, but mostly is fine in a browser. No network changes have been made by me at least. everything works fine on my phone (to same wifi connection), so I'm guessing it's isolated to this laptop. but no clue
[12:45] <Jym> what.
[12:47] <Jym> ...Maybe not just DNS
[12:50] <Jym> When pinging www.ibm.com ---> 95 packets transmitted, 1 received, 98% packet loss, time 96197ms
[12:50] <Jym> But yet I'm here on irc using webchat
[13:09] <EriC^^> Jym: what happens if you ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:10] <ravage> and just a general reminder that your Ubuntu version will reah end of support this month :)
[13:25] <mostafa> Hello can some one help me .. i can't find an app for see SMS and send and recieve SMS for D-Link USB Modem... I use it on windows .. but now in Ubuntu i don't know how using it. Thanks
[13:27] <ravage> mostafa: https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/smstools
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> mostafa: there is linphone on ubuntu, but not sure if can sms
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> !info linphone
[13:31] <mguy> How do I get more information from something like this:
[13:31] <mguy> dpkg: error processing package mediawiki (--configure):
[13:31] <mguy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[13:35] <ogra> mguy, the actual error is usually above that ... read the whole output
[13:36] <Jym> EriC^^ Though I have connected to the irc server via webchat right now, this is what I get...  https://pastebin.com/raw/4cvhaTPT
[13:37] <Jym> s/have/am/
[13:38] <ravage> your network connection is almost broken
[13:38] <ravage> a tcp connection is just very resilient
[13:38] <ogra> wiggle the cable ?
[13:38] <Jym> ravage LMAO
[13:39] <ravage> humor in the face of tragedy is always good
[13:39] <Jym> ogra I wiggled the wifi connection, even added aluminum foil for better reception ;)
[13:39] <mguy> ogra:  installed mediawiki package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[13:39] <ogra> mguy, even higher up 😉
[13:40] <mguy> ogra: nothing there..I can't access paste.ubuntu from here or I'd share
[13:41] <mguy> https://appp.me/33HYlq
[13:43] <ogra> hmm, yeah, there isnt a lot more ... i wonder if mediawikis postinst script simply sends all output to /dev/null by default or some such
[13:44] <mguy> Going to break this. Migrating but everything is  new version. mediawiki, the os, apache, php :D
[13:44] <mguy> Did a source install but it won't let you edit articles so I figure I'd try the one that came with Ubuntu 22
[13:45] <Jym> EriC^^   SMH, WTF...  https://pastebin.com/raw/SYpwebfv
[13:47] <Jym> Either the laptop, me, or both are on cheap drugs
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> mguy: ogra some older ubuntu bugs on it; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediawiki/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[13:48] <ogra> yeah, there are a bunch
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> seems like a returning issue
[13:48] <mostafa> lotuspsychje: thanks
[13:49] <ogra> lotuspsychje, mguy looks like they are all failing on different issues though ... (when reading the DpkgTerminal log files attached to them)
[13:49] <Jym> https://youtu.be/LZmUfUBqE-s?t=21
[13:50] <ogra> mguy, lokk if you can find anyhing in /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/apt/term.log
[13:50] <ogra> *look
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> lemme try to install it on jammy
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> yep installs without errors here
[13:52] <ogra> all these bugs are somehow related to apache configs ... either missing php or even a broken apache config file that the postinst cn not parse
[13:52] <mguy> It just seems like there'd be a flag or something to get more output
[13:53] <ogra> well, theoretically i'd expect dpkg-log to have more detailed output
[13:53] <ogra> *dpkg.log
[13:53] <mguy> nothing there :(
[13:55] <ogra> well, you could look at the script itself and start guessing why it fails 🙂
[13:55] <ogra> should be /var/lib/dpkg/inf👋mediawiki.postinst
[13:56] <ogra> bah, excuse the rogue emoji plugin of my hexchat
[14:34] <mguy> apache2_invoke enconf $conf || exit 1
[14:34] <mguy> that's where it crashes
[14:34] <mguy> trying to run something like a2ensite mediawiki
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> mguy: this is what i got on my jammy install; apache2_invoke: Enable configuration mediawiki
[14:43] <mguy> lotuspsychje: did it put a mediawiki.conf in /etc/apache2/conf-available ?
[14:44] <mguy> apache2_invoke is a deb helper afaik
[15:05] <mguy> oddly enough if I hotwire the script it willl install, adn the apt remove script works fine
[15:05] <mguy> apache2_invoke prerm: Disable configuration mediawiki
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> mguy: i dont see a mediawiki.conf there no
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> but i already purged it
[15:07] <mguy> It's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/mediawiki.list
[15:07] <mguy> Alas I am not the biggest fan of mw. Thanks for the assistance!
[15:45] <alumne_> ola?
[15:46] <alumne_> ola
[15:46] <alumne_> tranquilos
[15:46] <alumne> https://tetr.io/#WQSN
[15:50] <alumne> https://tetr.io/#WQSN
[16:15] <Bella988> Any male for sexting? https://qrmybiz.com/amy
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> !ops | Bella988
[16:52] <wontfix[m]> The Ubuntu Yaru theme repo has over 1500 files that are or are apart of duplicates. Generously assuming half are src files, over 750 that could benefit from inode caching.
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> wontfix[m]: do you have a question that comes a long with that?
[16:56] <wontfix[m]> Right. The question is for examples like this where multiple or split asset repos exist, where are PRs merged from?
[16:57] <wontfix[m]> There isn't any documentation on which parts of ubuntu use one  of or both gh / lp and which parts of which if both.
[17:07] <ogra> wontfix[m], better try #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-desktop (probably the latter is better, i think they maintain the package)
[17:07] <ogra> though note that canonicl is holding a development sprint this week, answers might be slow
[18:08] <tekisui> kolourpaint seems to be out of alignment
[18:08] <tekisui> i tried to reinstal it but didn´t wolk
[18:14] <toni_> exit
[18:14] <toni_> exit
[18:25] <wontfix[m]> Didn't work.
[18:44] <As4xk> Hi. Do you know the reason for why Ubuntu doesn't unmount and unlock the LUKS keystore holding the key for encrypted ZFS on root after zfs has loaded all the keys?
[18:45] <As4xk> you => anyone here*
[18:45] <tekisui> hello, am a newbie also
[18:46] <tekisui> maybe you can kill the program ?
[18:46] <tekisui> ¨task manager¨
[18:47] <tekisui> https://youtu.be/ODV6mxVVRZk
[18:47] <tekisui> good luck !
[18:47] <tekisui> ceau
[19:15] <jacked> Update: Ubuntu 2204 is  killer
[19:16] <oerheks> !yay
[19:16] <jacked> Totally impressed.
[19:17] <jacked> Ubuntu/Mate
[19:18] <jacked> Any way, just wanted to stop in and say.. thanks.. have a super day.
[19:33] <tomreyn> As4xk: i didn't even know that encrypted ZFS uses LUKS for storing the encryption keys, are you sure about this?
[19:34] <hms_rorqual> Hi everybody, Hi tomreyn
[19:34] <tomreyn> hi hms_rorqual
[19:35] <hms_rorqual> tomreyn sorry for interruption last time, I had any connection problem here and couldn't go back earlier. Even have to read about your mention related to zfs issues - bug 1993318
[19:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1993318 in zfs-linux (Ubuntu) "ZFS + Encryption installations of Ubuntu Desktop do not come up correctly on first boot, systemd unmounts many of the zfs volumes" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1993318
[19:36] <tomreyn> As4xk should also read this ^ if relevant to them
[19:36] <tomreyn> hms_rorqual: no worries
[19:38] <hms_rorqual> Please tomreyn, I'mm seeing here about this bug you've mentioned. Apparently it's not fixed yet. Is that the case ?
[19:39] <hms_rorqual> zfs-linux (confirmed, but not fixed ?)
[19:39] <tomreyn> hms_rorqual: it still affects zfs-linux according to the bug's status, that's right
[19:40] <tomreyn> see also the other report i linked there, bug 1970066
[19:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1970066 in snapd (Ubuntu Jammy) "(Encrypted) ZFS breaks 22.04 installation" [Critical, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1970066
[19:40] <hms_rorqual> So, it's noy being secure using ZFS in Ubuntu yet.
[19:41] <tomreyn> that's an overly generic statement i would not agree with
[19:41] <hms_rorqual> Oh no ! Worse than I've imagined - Encrypted) ZFS breaks 22.04 installation
[19:41] <hms_rorqual> :(
[19:42] <tomreyn> both bug reports are about *encrypted* zfs only, and i assume (not sure there) they only apply to encrypted zfs on /
[19:43] <tomreyn> so if you just want 'plain' zfs, or 'plain' zfs on top of a luks layer, they don'T apply.
[19:44] <hms_rorqual> I see. Do you use ZFS in your Ubuntu ?
[19:45] <hms_rorqual> If 'yes' haven't you being experiencing any serious issues related to it ?
[19:48] <tomreyn> hms_rorqual: i do not, i know of others who use it regularly with different ubuntu releases for non system file system without issues.
[19:48] <As4xk> tomreyn: zfs get keylocation: "rpool  keylocation  file:///run/keystore/rpool/system.key  local". And mount lists "/dev/mapper/keystore-rpool on /run/keystore/rpool .....". And cryptsetup status keystore-rpool sais "type:    LUKS2". So yes, quite sure Ubuntu stores the key on LUKS
[19:49] <hms_rorqual> Fine tomreyn, thanks for attention and information provided :)
[19:49] <tomreyn> As4xk: interesting, thanks for sharing.
[19:49] <As4xk> 22.04
[19:50] <tomreyn> As4xk: so that's just a 1 to 10 MB LUKS device or something?
[19:51] <tomreyn> (i assume "cryptsetup status keystore-rpool" might say.)
[19:55] <As4xk> It's a 500MB zvol. Not sure how big the LUKS volume is, but I guess it's the same (approx).
[19:55] <As4xk> So rpool has an unencrypted zvol with luks
[19:57] <As4xk> But I don't understand why Ubuntu doesn't close it after loading zfs keys. Would have guess that ssecurity-wize that would be good to do.
[20:10] <tomd> evening
[20:11] <tomd> I've been looking at a way for me to create an ubuntu install on a usb, so that when I plug it in it automatically installs. Is this possible or will there always have to be some kind of user interaction?
[20:13] <tomd> I've been using this - https://github.com/covertsh/ubuntu-autoinstall-generator with some modifications for jammy, but every time it doesn't seem to use the user-data file
[20:13] <jhutchins>  tomd: It may be possible under Windows.  Linux should be sercure against that type of hijacking.
[20:14] <tomd> I'm just looking for an easy way of putting a base installation onto my hardware, which doesn't require me to plug in a keyboard or mouse
[20:15] <tomd> e.g. buy pc, plug in usb, dhcp gives it an address, i provide it with a default username/password, then use ansible to configure it.
[20:16] <tomd> I may have to go down the PXE route, I just would rather do it via USB.
[20:17] <jhutchins> tomd: If the system is set up to boot first to the USB drive it could work.  If there's no OS on the system and it's set to include the USB in the boot searech path it could work.
[20:18] <tomd> jhutchins - sure , but I can't find a way of making it work, i'm wondering if others had any experience?
[20:18] <jhutchins> I have used the latter scenario to install systems.  I've more often seen uninstalled systems try netboot.
[20:20] <tomd> OK I guess not many people using usb installation then
[20:22] <tomreyn> As4xk: no idea, maybe it's worth bringing it up in a bug report / feature request
[20:22] <tomreyn> could be just an oversight
[20:23] <tomreyn> surely the key will still need to be store din memory somewhere, probably in the kernel key store.
[20:35] <jhutchins> tomreyn: I think a lot of people use them, and I haven't seen a bios that wouldn't boot to USB for quite a while.  My experience was in the late 2000s and CDs were much more common.
[20:36] <jhutchins> I did have CDs that would install a custom version of a Linux OS if you booted from them - but one of the above conditions had to be true.
[20:37] <tomreyn> jhutchins: a lot fo people use what?
[20:37] <tomreyn> *of
[20:38] <jhutchins> tomreyn: OOps. Target left the channel.
[20:38] <jhutchins> A lot of people build from bootable USBs.
[20:38] <tomreyn> oh you meant to address tomd
[20:38] <jhutchins> tomreyn: Right.
[20:38] <jhutchins> tomreyn: Tab completion is a lot like autocorrect.
[20:39] <tomreyn> works/most/ of the time. ;)
[20:39] <jhutchins> +
[21:07] <skarp> claiming latest NVIDIA drivers but not
[22:41] <Guest934567> Hello, I try to install CUDA on Ubuntu but have problem: https://pastebin.com/Y3P9cWFk
[23:00] <EriC^^> Guest934567: what package are you trying to install?
[23:00] <Guest934567> EriC^^ sudo apt-get -y install cuda
[23:02] <EriC^^> Guest934567: type 'apt-cache policy cuda | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the result here
[23:04] <oerheks> run proper updates first, sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[23:04] <Guest934567> EriC^^ https://termbin.com/ctcyj
[23:05] <Guest934567> oerheks if you are referring to me, yes, I am diligent with updates prior to installs.
[23:06] <Guest934567> Cuda was fine before and some update happens and it broke, so I tried to reinstall
[23:07] <Guest934567> The video programs said CUDA is not available, so that is how I knew it broke.
[23:07] <Guest934567> By video programs, I mean editing
[23:08] <EriC^^> which ubuntu are you using?
[23:08] <EriC^^> type "cat /etc/issue"
[23:09] <Guest934567> EriC^^ Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS
[23:09] <Guest934567> not lsb_release -a
[23:09] <Guest934567> ?
[23:10] <EriC^^> ok type "apt-cache show cuda | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:10] <EriC^^> same thing
[23:10] <Guest934567> https://termbin.com/08bl
[23:12] <EriC^^> and "apt-cache show cuda-12-1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:13] <Guest934567> EriC^^  https://termbin.com/t2a3
[23:14] <oerheks> Apparently nvidia's cuda ppa does not supply the i386 versions of them?
[23:15] <Guest934567> oerheks Heck, it was not a problem before. I can purge if needed, just tell me what to purge
[23:15] <Guest934567> I thought getting rid of WINE would help
[23:15] <Guest934567> guess not
[23:17] <oerheks> reverse add archtecture i386, dpkg --remove-architecture i386
[23:17] <oerheks> maybe remove packages first, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/696517/cannot-remove-architecture-i386
[23:18] <EriC^^> Guest934567: what does "apt-cache policy libnvidia-compute-530 | nc termbin.com 9999" give?
[23:18] <EriC^^> !info libnvidia-compute-530 focal
[23:19] <EriC^^> Guest934567: it looks like the nvidia repo package expects 530.30.02 , but in 22.04 the version is now 530.41.03
[23:19] <Guest934567> EriC^^ https://termbin.com/zkmq
[23:19] <EriC^^> so there's your problem
[23:20] <Guest934567> EriC^^ What do you think is best course of action?
[23:21] <EriC^^> well, i think it's on nvidia to fix the issue, but if you need some temporary solution, see how many packages were updated in that update and roll them back til they fix it
[23:21] <Guest934567> ugh
[23:22] <Guest934567> Linus Torvalds "Nvidea, F--- you"
[23:22] <EriC^^> Guest934567: what does "grep -C10 "libnvidia-compute-530" /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termbin.com 9999" give?
[23:22] <Guest934567> EriC^^ Thanks for your help though
[23:22] <EriC^^> no problem
[23:23] <Guest934567> EriC^^ Nothing, just an empty line
[23:24] <EriC^^> odd
[23:25] <EriC^^> do you want to roll it back?
[23:25] <Guest934567> EriC^^ What am I rolling back, the distro or driver?
[23:25] <EriC^^> libnvidia-compute-530
[23:25] <jhutchins> The '| nc termbin 9999" trick doesn't show the user anything, al the output goes to termbin.
[23:26] <jhutchins> I guess it should return the URL.
[23:26] <Guest934567> EriC^^ Sure, if it will work and get my video editing programs going
[23:26] <Guest934567> I am not a fan of editing on Windows
[23:27] <Guest934567> Linux is wayyyyy more stable
[23:27] <Guest934567> Except when this happens. But crashes are rare on Linux, Windows, it is par for the course
[23:32] <EriC^^> Guest934567: thinking more about it i think it would be very messy to roll it back, given so many other packages also depend on it
[23:32] <Guest934567> EriC^^ So I guess just bug nvidea, keep yelling 'F--- you!!!'
[23:33] <EriC^^> yup
[23:33] <Guest934567> Proprietary crap
[23:34] <EriC^^> i'll throw out there this messy hack though, just for the hell of it, you could change the depends line in the packages files so the other packages install thinking the old compute-530 was there
[23:34] <Guest934567> if only graphics drive can be Stallmanized for pro video
[23:34] <EriC^^> but if they dont work with the new one for some reason i guess it would bug out etc
[23:34] <Guest934567> yeah, I guess I will have to use Windows for now
[23:34] <EriC^^> probably best to wait i guess
[23:35] <Guest934567> I used AMD graphics and they are just as bad
[23:37] <EriC^^> yup not much support on linux sometimes


[22:29] <rww> Unveiling a new theme days before UI freeze makes the documentation team's life more difficult. Unveiling a new set of branding without finishing the fonts involved or making sources available compromises marketing and LoCo teams' ability to produce content.
[22:29] <kklimonda> rww: we are going to reach a point soon when just being good and having a good community won't be enough to advance.
[22:29] <_Groo_> BUGabundo: the problem is AFTER the 3g is up and running (like seen in dmesg, usb 2-3: GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached to ttyUSB0 gos up and all), nm-applet NEVER shows up the 3g
[22:29] <_Groo_> BUGabundo: link pls
[22:29] <henkpoley> Is there any documentation on the "recovery+" system of 10.04 ? Is there anything I need to do after the empty screen blinking cursor ?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/164-ubuntu-network-manager-team-offers-daily-builds-for-trunk-aka-0.8-now.html
[22:29] <BUGabundo> abhh
[22:29] <BUGabundo> bad google
[22:30] <_Groo_> BUGabundo: the cure is to stop nm, kill -9 modemmanager, get it um first and restart nm
[22:30] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk
[22:30] <BUGabundo> _Groo_: please file a bug, and ping asac
[22:30] <kklimonda> rww: the final theme and art has always been unveiled mere days before ui freeze
[22:30] <_Groo_> BUGabundo: this will make 3g show up in NM applet
[22:30] <kklimonda> rww: the whole point of ui freeze is to give documentation teams enough time to prepare documentation.
[22:30] <_Groo_> BUGabundo: thats the problem, im leaving now, i just logged to warn you guys about this, i dont know if ill be back online this week
[22:31] <_Groo_> BUGabundo: so pls forward this to him if you can.. is easily reproducible
[22:31] <Some_Person> When is the UI freeze?
[22:31] <kklimonda> Some_Person: March 4th
[22:32] <Some_Person> kklimonda: so it already happened?
[22:32] <kklimonda> yes
[22:33] <_Groo_> BUGabundo: thanks for the help, till next time :)
[22:33] <Some_Person> So the release will be stuck with the crappy button positions :-(
[22:33] <kklimonda> yes
[22:34]  * Amaranth likes them
[22:34] <thiebaude> i also like them too
[22:34] <Amaranth> Although I do actually prefer minimize,maximize,title,close
[22:34] <Some_Person> you like a close button not in the corner?
[22:34] <thiebaude> they need a mouse over
[22:35] <kklimonda> Some_Person: I don't really mind - the change like any other, I got used to it
[22:35] <arand> Some_Person: We're sorrounded by mad ppl!
[22:35] <thiebaude> lol
[22:36] <Some_Person> I tried getting used to it, but found myself often clicking the wrong button
[22:36] <CharbeL> i installed adobe flash player for firefox but when i join an application in facebook it doesn't work properly can anyone help ?
[22:36] <arand> Have they fixed up the issues with it though? Like the ugliness with one-button windows, and is the breakage of all other themes remain?
[22:37] <Linux000> The buttons just need better images
[22:37] <kklimonda> arand: no and no
[22:37] <Some_Person> one-button windows is actually fixed, but only for the dark theme
[22:37] <kklimonda> ach
[22:37] <chiggavel> where i can find lucid deb list that i should use
[22:37] <kklimonda> which one is "more default"?
[22:37] <henkpoley> So.. ubuntu lucid now hangs when you have a broken item in your /etc/fstab.. not nice.. (even recovery+ hangs)
[22:37] <chiggavel> Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release  Unable to find expected entry  multiverse/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[22:37] <xubi> hi all
[22:38] <chiggavel> whats wrong?
[22:38] <kklimonda> chiggavel: change mirror
[22:38] <chiggavel> to whichone
[22:38] <xubi> ubuntu 10.04 beta 1  is opened to download ?
[22:38] <kklimonda> not yet
[22:38] <Some_Person> you're one day too early
[22:38] <henkpoley> xubi: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule
[22:39] <chiggavel> kklimonda
[22:39] <arand> Well, that's kind of concerning, if they do a big drop like this, shouldn't most of the obvious problems be smoothed over? It's not very reassuring if the themes are rushed into it..
[22:40] <thiebaude> xubi, its getting close
[22:40] <kklimonda> chiggavel: to any other
[22:40] <chiggavel> i dont know whichone cousing that on sources.list
[22:41] <CosmiChaos> NV-GF-8600-GTS-Card: LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x16, ASPM L0s L1, Latency L0 <512ns, L1 <4us
[22:41] <CosmiChaos>  NV-NF-630i-PCI-EXPRESS-1-16x-Port: LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x16, ASPM L0s L1, Latency L0 <512ns, L1 <4us
[22:41] <CosmiChaos>  both outputs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/396973/
[22:41] <Some_Person> I'm new to prerelease ubuntu, having started last Sunday. Will I have to do like a big update or something when beta1 is released, or will it just be pretty much the current packages just dumped to an ISO?
[22:41] <CosmiChaos> cards status is bus type pci express 4x :(
[22:41] <arand> thiebaude: at least a day to go, I reckon...
[22:42] <zekoZeko> Some_Person: you'll just have lots and lots of packages to update, should be automatic with update-manager
[22:42] <arand> Some_Person: The latter
[22:42] <thiebaude> oh yea, how you doing? arand
[22:42] <Some_Person> arand, zekoZeko: You two just contridicted each other. Which is it?
[22:43] <arand> Some_Person: Well obviously I claim myself to be correct ;)
[22:43] <kklimonda> the person who decided that gnome panel applets should be draggable anywhere on the panel should be shot dead - they just can't stay in one place..
[22:43] <zekoZeko> Some_Person: updates should work just like on the released version...
[22:43] <zekoZeko> kklimonda: even if you lock them to one place?
[22:44] <kklimonda> zekoZeko: even then - I just have to change resolution and for example notification area moves to the left corner.. it's most visible in VM
[22:44] <Rods_Tiger> a thing I put into the startup items has stopped starting up since I went to Lucid Lynx
[22:45] <zekoZeko> kklimonda: you're right, it happened to me a while ago when switching monitors.... not a new "feature" :)
[22:46] <kklimonda> zekoZeko: I know but that's still really irritating
[22:46] <zekoZeko> kklimonda: you have any idea how to have the panel on two monitors?
[22:46] <kklimonda> zekoZeko: no idea
[22:46] <Turl> hello
[22:46] <thiebaude> Turl, hey there
[22:47] <Turl> is there a way to disable the notifications pidgin makes but keeping indicator-applet?
[22:47] <arand> kklimonda: gconftool-2 --dump /apps/panel > ~/panelstate.xml && echo -e '#!/bin/bash\n\ngconftool-2 --load ~/panelstate.xml' > ~/resetpanel.bash
[22:49] <happyface> damn, I just lost fat uptime :(
[22:50] <zekoZeko> happyface: you'll learn not to care about uptime :)
[22:50] <zekoZeko> happyface: it took me a while, but life is much nicer afterward :)
[22:50] <Turl> any ideas?
[22:51] <zekoZeko> apropos uptime: load now 50 on a machine i'm upgrading (from lucid about a week ago), nothing else really running, just lots and lots of i/o wait...
[22:51] <zekoZeko> no bloody idea what's going on, everything i type over ssh takes a while to happen :)
[22:53] <zekoZeko> Turl: turn the notifications off in pidgin? I'm not using it, but I'm quite sure it's got an option for that...
[22:54] <Turl> if I turn them off, then indicator-applet doesn't do a thing
[22:54] <Turl> pidgin doesn't even appear in it :(
[22:54] <zekoZeko> what would you like it to do?
[22:54] <zekoZeko> b@touch:~$ uptime
[22:54] <zekoZeko>  23:53:44 up 9 days, 11:05, 16 users,  load average: 49.48, 50.55, 51.06
[22:54] <zekoZeko> this took about a minute to happen :)
[22:54] <Turl> I'd like indicator applet to work, but without the black notifications
[22:54] <zekoZeko> no idea, sorry.
[22:54] <Turl> just the mail icon changing color
[23:01] <happyface> zekoZeko: lol I relaly don't care too much it's just fun
[23:02] <henkpoley> zekoZeko: you could try to use `ionice` and `renice` to gice your shell more priority
[23:05] <zekoZeko> happyface: when I was like 17 and starting out with linux big uptimes were all i was gunning for :) I think I managed 3 years on a machine once :)
[23:06] <zekoZeko> henkpoley: i first have to wait a few minutes to get the shell PID :)
[23:06] <henkpoley> The OpenVMS guys kind of spoiled that game, what was it ~ 18 years ?
[23:06] <zekoZeko> the machine is not even swapping much....
[23:06] <zekoZeko> -/+ buffers/cache:     662756    1397588
[23:06] <zekoZeko> Swap:      5242872     930284    4312588
[23:07] <zekoZeko> henkpoley: 18 years requires some seriously good hardware :)
[23:07] <arand> How do you get kernel security updates into a machine constantly running?
[23:07] <zekoZeko> arand: you don't, and that's the reason I don't care about uptime anymore.
[23:09] <henkpoley> Some operating systems are built so you can replace large parts on a live system, but not linux. Though you can of course update and restart individual pieces of software running on linux.
[23:10] <henkpoley> Blah, after installing vmware tools it's hanging on boot again
[23:10] <Turl> there's a project for patching software running without restarting it
[23:10] <Turl> and it includes the kernel
[23:11] <arand> But it's commercial as of now.
[23:11] <zekoZeko> i know, but i'm not going to bother with that if it's not included in the distro.
[23:12] <zekoZeko> i'm not using hardware that takes more than a few minutes to boot, and that is quite acceptable in 99,9% of the places.
[23:12] <arand> They pretty much take the updates and beat them into running-update compliance..
[23:13] <henkpoley> anyways, what are you doing on that high io-wait machine? installing a weeks worth of deb repository updates?
[23:14] <arand> What I would like is a system I could switch my screen session to when rebooting...
[23:14] <zekoZeko> arand: like ILO & friends?
[23:14] <henkpoley> IBM has such a laptop, the screen is detachable and runs Android or somesuch
[23:15] <henkpoley> Err s/IBM/Lenovo/
[23:15] <arand> zekoZeko: huh?
[23:16] <zekoZeko> arand: misunderstanding... i thought you were talking about monitoring a machine remotely while rebooting.
[23:17] <henkpoley> ILO = "Integrated Lights-Out" by HP
[23:17] <henkpoley> The Lenova laptop is "http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/Lenovo-IdeaPad-U1-Hybrid-Features-Detachable-Screen-139093/" btw
[23:17] <zekoZeko> yeah, most server vendors have such stuff, I'm just used to saying ILO because I use many HP machines.
[23:17] <henkpoley> yay for odd link handling in Colloqui..
[23:34] <nishanth> my lucid lynx does not show login screen when i boot my computer
[23:35] <voidmage> nishanth: does it show a weird looking square thing?
[23:36] <nishanth> nah the screen looks blank... but i hear the sound
[23:36] <voidmage> hmm
[23:36] <voidmage> have you tried removing plymouth?
[23:37] <nishanth> i am very new to linux....what is plymouth?
[23:38] <voidmage> it's what shows up the ubuntu logo on boot instead of the boot messages
[23:38] <Thuuugs> can anyone comment on the state of Lucid and SSD/Trim support?
[23:38] <voidmage> do you see five white or orange dots when you're booting, or a bunch of text?
[23:39] <psusi> Thuuugs, not there.... you have to download and build the latest hdparm and manually trim
[23:39] <nishanth> no i dont see anything like that
[23:39] <psusi> trim support just went into 2.6.33, but lucid is using .32
[23:39] <nishanth> i dont see anything while I am booting
[23:39] <Thuuugs> psusi: I thought I read that the ubuntu team released kernel 2.6.33 with trim enabled?
[23:40] <voidmage> what graphics card do you have?
[23:40] <psusi> Thuuugs, ohh, I think someone did in their PPA
[23:40] <Thuuugs> psusi: Ive now also read reports that its disabled by default in the latest kernel
[23:40] <Thuuugs> like in actual source code, such a mess, cant find a def. answer on anything related to ssd heh
[23:40] <psusi> Thuuugs, yea, you have to pass ext4 a mount option to tell it to use it
[23:41] <nishanth> how can i check wat my graphic card is?
[23:41] <psusi> Thuuugs, I've been in the same boat.. just got an ssd last friday... so far I'm pretty happy.... still need to get around to building the latest hdparm and doing a manual trim, but so far have not seemed to need it
[23:41] <Thuuugs> psusi: Do u have a document or something that I can read thru, I have ubunut 9.10, with latest kernel off kernel.org and ext4 - but cant seem to find what to do next
[23:42] <voidmage> nishanth: I'm really not sure what to do, I use an nvidia card and removing plymouth fixed some boot issues I had.
[23:42] <voidmage> Is anyone else more experienced with this that can help?
[23:43] <psusi> Thuuugs, no... I don't... I just remember seeing a message on lkml about the ext4 mount option, and I also read somewhere that device mapper still can't pass it down so it won't work over lvm anyhow... though patches to fix that I think are either about to or just hit linus's tree
[23:45] <nishanth> Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[23:45] <nishanth> is it my card
[23:46] <zekoZeko> nishanth: press shift right after the bios screen
[23:46] <zekoZeko> nishanth: that should bring up Grub menu
[23:46] <zekoZeko> nishanth: that's the boot loader
[23:47] <zekoZeko> nishanth: i'll lead you on from there.
[23:47] <nishanth> shift + what right?
[23:47] <zekoZeko> nishanth: just shift
[23:47] <nishanth> so i need to restart?
[23:47] <zekoZeko> umm, i thought your computer is not working....
[23:48] <nishanth> nah the problem is that i dont see anything while my computer is booting
[23:48] <zekoZeko> nishanth: so the problem is that you don't see anything while the macine boots, but then the login screen pops up?
[23:48] <nishanth> i hear the sound for the login screen
[23:48] <nishanth> but dont see it
[23:49] <zekoZeko> i see
[23:49] <nishanth> then i enter the password
[23:49] <zekoZeko> have you tried changing the VT with ctrl+alt+f1 to f8?
[23:49] <nishanth> at which point it gives me a visible login screen
[23:49] <zekoZeko> oh
[23:49] <zekoZeko> bizarre.
[23:49] <nishanth> what is VT?
[23:49] <zekoZeko> :) sorry, no idea
[23:49] <zekoZeko> virtual terminal
[23:51] <zekoZeko> but if you input your username and password and something happens, you're at the right one already, no need for that.
[23:52] <sobersabre> hi, Beta1 is scheduled to 18th, i.e. for today.
[23:52] <sobersabre> when is it going to be avail ?
[23:52] <crimsun> when you stop asking
[23:52] <zekoZeko> :)
[23:53] <sobersabre> I never started asking....
[23:53] <nishanth> i think my problem is that plymouth does not run on my computer
[23:53] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: it's not 18th yet everywhere :)
[23:53] <sobersabre> nishanth: there's bug.
[23:53] <sobersabre> zekoZeko: it is in where I AM.
[23:53] <crimsun> huh? "when is it going to be avail ?" is *not* asking?
[23:53] <sobersabre> it's 1:53 AM!
[23:53] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: release it yourself then :)
[23:53] <sobersabre> crimsun: this is "asking":
[23:53] <sobersabre> oh, c'mon guys,
[23:54] <sobersabre> I can't wait any longer.
[23:54] <sobersabre> I have to get the Beta1 ASAP
[23:54] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: got to bed then, you'll be happier tomorrow.
[23:54] <crimsun> sobersabre: no, that's a statement not a question.
[23:54] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: you can make your system beta yourself anytime
[23:54] <sobersabre> Is there any serious issues to put the hands onto ?
[23:54] <jpds> sobersabre: When it's ready.
[23:55] <sobersabre> jpds: oh. the limitations of IRC
[23:55] <nishanth> anyone know how to fix plymouth?
[23:55] <sobersabre> what is plymouth ?
[23:55] <arand> current daily is most likely what'llend up as beta anyways...
[23:55] <crimsun> nishanth: what issue is involved? That's a fairly broad question.
[23:55] <zekoZeko> sudo sed -i -e 's/development branch/Beta1 for sobersabre only/' /etc/issue
[23:55] <jpds> !info plymouth | sobersabre
[23:55] <sobersabre> zekoZeko: how about writing this too.
[23:56] <jpds> ubottu: hi
[23:56] <h00k> it'll be there when it's done, there is no specific time it will be released.
[23:56] <nishanth> i just realised that lucid has something called plymouth. i never saw this on my screen
[23:56] <sobersabre> I mean you only printed it onto stdout...
[23:56] <nishanth> i dont see anything while i am booting
[23:56] <sobersabre> jpds: info is silent...
[23:56] <zekoZeko> nishanth: what version of plymouth do you have? dpkg -s plymouth | grep ^Version
[23:56] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: no i haven't
[23:57] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: i only changed it in the file.
[23:57] <Ian_Corne> jpds: hate to keep you hanging, *hi*
[23:57] <Ian_Corne> :p
[23:57] <Ian_Corne> oh, he replied
[23:57] <nishanth> Version: 0.8.0~-16
[23:57] <tcsoccerman> Just finished my post on Lucid Lynx :)
[23:57] <sobersabre> sed -e oh, I'm never doing "in place".
[23:58] <zekoZeko> is ubottu serving old data? My plymouth is 0.8.0~-16
[23:58] <jpds> zekoZeko: Probably.
[23:58] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: it's quite handy, wouldn't do it with a complicated untested regex though :)