[00:00] <acheronuk> clivejo: ping :P
[00:01] <clivejo> I thought I get disconnected
[00:01] <acheronuk> I don't see any message saying so
[00:02] <clivejo> well weegie stopped working and everything went quiet
[00:02] <acheronuk> oh. internet problems, so you mean your side
[00:02]  * clivejo cries
[00:03] <clivejo> so many broken merges all blaming me!
[00:04] <acheronuk> 'Sending notification to culprit: clivejo'
[00:04] <clivejo> acheronuk: can you see the status page?
[00:04] <acheronuk> forgot about that
[00:04] <tsimonq2> hehehehehehe
[00:05] <acheronuk> yep. Last updated on 2016-08-13 00:00 (UTC)
[00:05] <clivejo> :(
[00:05] <tsimonq2> merger failures
[00:06]  * tsimonq2 fixes
[00:06] <clivejo> be careful :P
[00:06] <acheronuk> still orange there.
[00:06] <clivejo> I think Ive got all the symbols
[00:07] <clivejo> I was starting at the bottom trying to fix lintian complaints
[00:07] <acheronuk> every time I've sat down with the intention of looking at those today, something has happened to pull me away :/
[00:07] <acheronuk> or was not working
[00:07] <tsimonq2> clivejo: don't worry, I'm the merger fixer 👷 ⚒ hehehehehehehehehehehehe
[00:08] <clivejo> uploaded fix for umbrello when my internet started acting up
[00:08]  * clivejo wonders how this GCC move is going to effect building on two different versions
[00:09] <clivejo> ie Xenial build gcc5 and Yakkety with gcc6?
[00:09] <tsimonq2> I think so
[00:09] <tsimonq2> clivejo: you have to ask yourself... WWYD?
[00:09] <tsimonq2> :D
[00:09] <clivejo> indeed
[00:10] <clivejo> get apps fixed and ready for upload is main priority at the moment
[00:11] <clivejo> so thats a question for another day
[00:11] <tsimonq2> what needs to be done for that?
[00:11] <acheronuk> if nothing it done to tweak default compiler setting to minimise chaos, I guess it could be messy.
[00:11] <acheronuk> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_16.04.3_yakkety.html
[00:11] <clivejo> santa is working on kalzium which is currently FTBFS
[00:12] <clivejo> there are a few lintian complains needed looked at and fixed
[00:13] <clivejo> but LP is soo slow, its pure torture
[00:13] <clivejo> I cant remember what Ive fixed and uploaded!
[00:13] <clivejo> and the PPA is getting full again!
[00:15] <tsimonq2> yay :(
[00:15] <acheronuk> just slow at clearing old versions?
[00:15] <clivejo> probably
[00:16] <tsimonq2> fkcing with akonadi, steer clear :)
[00:17] <tsimonq2> YESSSSS I WIN XD
[00:17] <acheronuk> soem complain about no multiarch, so guess need something like http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/applications/messagelib.git/commit/?h=Neon/unstable&id=a86a88315cb71ef7618b2e47956033e2adf87830
[00:18] <acheronuk> *some
[00:18] <tsimonq2> Project merger_akonadi build #468: FIXED in 22 sec:
[00:18] <clivejo> acheronuk: feel free to patch and upload
[00:18] <clivejo> Im gonna call it a night
[00:19] <tsimonq2> o/ clivejo
[00:19] <clivejo> not going just yet
[00:19] <acheronuk> so am I. been busy, just not on here
[00:19] <clivejo> just gonna stop packaging work
[00:19] <clivejo> unwind for a bit
[00:20] <acheronuk> I'm not going to start as I'll just **** it up when I'm this sleepy
[00:20] <clivejo> yeah, I wish I had that sense somethings
[00:20] <clivejo> sometimes
[00:23] <tsimonq2> :(
[00:23] <tsimonq2> oh there's just multiple problesm
[00:23] <tsimonq2> *problems
[00:23] <acheronuk> good night
[00:24] <acheronuk> hopefully I can can on to doing some fixes tomorrow that I didn't manage today
[00:24] <acheronuk> *get on to
[00:24]  * acheronuk is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[00:24] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: YOU broke this, I'm fixing it :P
[00:25] <tsimonq2> *grumble grumble*
[00:25] <acheronuk> broke what?
[00:26] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: merger in the changelog, you put it on two lines in one branch and on in another
[00:26] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: trivial but I can still (jokingly) grumble at you :P
[00:27] <tsimonq2> aaahhhhh
[00:28] <acheronuk> I think someone must have wrap-and-sort that in one branch but not the other
[00:28] <clivejo> no that was me
[00:29] <tsimonq2> either way, fixing
[00:29] <clivejo> he spelt something wrong and the line was too long
[00:30]  * clivejo thinks lintian has a bit of tsimonq2 in it
[00:30] <clivejo> acheronuk: I think you put overide instead of overrides
[00:30] <tsimonq2> XD clivejo
[00:31] <tsimonq2> clivejo: you mean my annoyingness or keen eye for spelling? :P
[00:31]  * acheronuk is not going to mention the spelling of 'colour' to an American
[00:31] <tsimonq2> s/colour/color/g *
[00:31]  * tsimonq2 runs
[00:31] <clivejo> you're anoyingness
[00:31] <tsimonq2> hey now clivejo :P
[00:32] <clivejo> and lintian is just as annoying
[00:32] <tsimonq2> XD
[00:32] <clivejo> doesnt just tell you once, it tells you like 5 times
[00:32] <tsimonq2> then I'll agree with Lintian as I'm fixing it :P
[00:32] <tsimonq2> XD
[00:33] <tsimonq2> YAY I did that ^
[00:33] <clivejo> LOL it told me I fixed it
[00:33] <clivejo> so nar nar
[00:33] <acheronuk> If lintian could use a red pen to highlight your mistakes, I'm sure it would
[00:33] <tsimonq2> WHAT clivejo? :O
[00:33]  * tsimonq2 yells at yofl to fix it
 Its color
[00:34] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I am that red pen :P
[00:35] <tsimonq2> btw my local Git setup magically fixes all merge errors :P
[00:35] <tsimonq2> :/
[00:35] <acheronuk> LOL
[00:35] <clivejo> just be careful!
[00:35] <tsimonq2> hehehehehehehe
[00:35] <tsimonq2> yep clivejo, I look at my changes before I push
[00:35] <clivejo> they need human logic
[00:36] <tsimonq2> oh that's right I forgot to push kubuntu_stable
[00:38] <tsimonq2> yay
[00:40] <clivejo> oh I fixed cantor too
[00:40] <clivejo> go meeee!
[00:40]  * tsimonq2 kicks clivejo
[00:41] <clivejo> what?!?
[00:41] <clivejo> [01:40:22] [kubuntu-ci] Yippee! Seems you've fixed merger_cantor: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_cantor/592/
[00:41] <tsimonq2> yofel: you broke it(:P), when *I* fix things, *clivejo* gets a pat on the back :P
[00:41] <tsimonq2> clivejo: look at the Git history, that was *me* :P
[00:42] <clivejo> KCI thinks it was me
[00:42] <clivejo> makes a change from always getting the blame when it breaks!
[00:42]  * tsimonq2 feels neglected :( :P
[00:42] <clivejo> how many are left?
[00:43] <tsimonq2> clivejo: 6, which I'll fix within the hour
[00:43] <tsimonq2> it's easy, even when I check it over
[00:43] <tsimonq2> usually Git does The Right Thing™
[00:46] <clivejo> isnt it your bed time?
[00:46] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I don't have a bed time, and it's only 7:47 PM
[00:47] <tsimonq2> not that late at all
[00:47] <clivejo> thought you were on euro time
[00:47] <tsimonq2> nop
[00:47] <tsimonq2> *nope
[00:47] <tsimonq2> I fixed my sleep schedule
[00:47] <clivejo> wish mine was that easy!
[00:49] <tsimonq2> yay!
[00:49]  * tsimonq2 kicks clivejo for getting the notification
[00:50] <clivejo> not my fault!
[00:50] <clivejo> Im not a football!
[00:51] <tsimonq2> clivejo: football as in American football or everywhere else in the world? :P
[00:51] <tsimonq2> ^
[00:51] <clivejo> any, stop kicking me :P
[00:52] <tsimonq2> hehehehehehehe
[00:52] <clivejo> time for bed
[00:52] <clivejo> night all
[00:52] <tsimonq2> o/
[00:54]  * tsimonq2 stops celebrating when fixing things
[01:00] <tsimonq2> yofel: nvm, it's a merge, and Clive committed before the merge
[01:00] <tsimonq2> yofel: but that should still be tweaked
[01:05] <tsimonq2> yofel, clivejo: all mergers fixed, looking at http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_16.04.3_yakkety.html now
[01:16] <tsimonq2> hmm, I have no clue what makes it unstable...
[05:33] <ahoneybun> mm the admin of the FB KDE group is a bit bias
[06:29] <valorie> ahoneybun: link?
[06:36] <ahoneybun> valorie: facebook does not like doing that outside their site
[06:37] <valorie> ok
[06:37] <ahoneybun> I'm trying to find a way to link though
[06:37] <ahoneybun> https://www.facebook.com/groups/KDECommunity/
[06:37] <ahoneybun> this is the group jimarvan is in
[06:37] <ahoneybun> as am I
[06:39]  * ahoneybun wonders about kate snap again
[06:40] <valorie> not sure what you can do about prejudiced people who don't mind creating distro-wars
[06:41] <valorie> I see no point to that
[06:42] <ahoneybun> just pointing it out
[06:42] <vip> hello
[06:42] <ahoneybun> heyo vip
[06:47]  * ahoneybun really needs to get back to his normal sleep cycle
[09:17] <soee> hiho
[10:08] <acheronuk> clivejo: KCI is berating me about merge failures today :P
[11:13] <santa_> good morning everyone
[11:21] <clivejo> morning santa
[11:26] <acheronuk> morning
[11:26] <acheronuk> or afternoon
[11:28] <acheronuk> so apps 16.08 available on depot, and FW 5.25 released....
[11:29]  * acheronuk swiftly leaves the building
[11:36] <soee> :)
[11:42] <santa_> no need to leave the building, but yes
[11:46] <clivejo> santa_: in marble there is a lintian error
[11:46] <clivejo> E: libmarblewidget-qt5-23: symbols-file-contains-current-version-with-debian-revision on symbol _Z17qRegisterMetaTypeIN6Marble13DownloadUsageEEiPKcPT_N9QtPrivate21MetaTypeDefinedHelperIS4_Xaasr12QMetaTypeId2IS4_E7DefinedntsrS9_9IsBuiltInEE11DefinedTypeE@Base and 13782 others
[11:46] <clivejo> what does that mean?
[11:49] <clivejo> the version for that symbol is 4:15.08.0
[11:49] <clivejo> why or how does it think thats a debian version?
[11:50] <santa_> clivejo: when a symbol is not listed in the symbols file, it's usually added to the final symbols list (the final symbols list in the *.deb) including the package revision, which triggers that lintian warning
[11:50] <santa_> let me check waht's up
[11:51] <clivejo> just cant seem to figure our why its complaining :/
[11:52] <santa_> clivejo: ok, very simple, there's no symbols file for libmarblewidget-qt5-24. However theres a symbols file for the -23 version
[11:52] <santa_> that's the problem
[11:53] <santa_> just provide the symbols file for -24 and remove the -23 one
[11:53] <clivejo> well blow me down
[11:55] <santa_> clivejo: even worse, open debian/libmarblewidget-qt5-23.install
[11:55] <acheronuk> whole library package needs shifting from -23 to -24 I think.
[11:55] <clivejo> I see!
[11:55] <santa_> yes, the whole bin package must be renamed to -24
[11:55] <acheronuk> I had to do that in unstable, but to -25 I think
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:30] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[12:32] <BluesKaj> hi soee
[12:42] <acheronuk> 'symbols-declares-dependency-on-other-package' big issue?
[12:43] <santa_> acheronuk: which package?
[12:44] <acheronuk> several. for example W: libkf5incidenceeditor5: symbols-declares-dependency-on-other-package libkf5incidenceeditor-bin
[12:45] <santa_> acheronuk: override it
[12:45] <santa_> the dependency on the other package is intentional and it's done for a good reason
[12:50] <acheronuk> debian have not chosen to override those, which made me wonder...
[12:52] <acheronuk> I wonder if clive has gone for lunch, or is still trying to beat marble into submission?
[15:38] <santa_> hi yofel
[15:38] <santa_> I made the overrides system for the build depends
[15:39] <santa_> I think I'm done with the next batch of updates for KA and I'm doing a full test rebuild of frameworks/plasma/applications
[15:40] <santa_> if you want to inspect the changes I would like to merge they are available here: https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+git/kubuntu-automation/+ref/work3
[15:40] <santa_> I will ping you again when the test rebuild is done (I guess it will take 20-30 hours from now)
[16:18] <acheronuk> why so many apps?........... the number to fix doesn't seem to go down.
 What you mean?
[17:06] <tsimonq2> o/
 Hi Simon
[17:09] <acheronuk> hi tsimonq2 :)
[17:09] <tsimonq2> how are you all today?
[17:10] <acheronuk> good. trying to fix up the apps, and breaking merges
[17:11] <tsimonq2> merges?
[17:11] <tsimonq2> :O
[17:12] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: you broke it, I'll fix it :P (merges)
[17:12] <tsimonq2> unless you were working on it?
[17:13] <acheronuk> not really. would have got to it in the end, but was trying try concentrate on the apps themselves
 Rik are you working on 16.04.3 apps?
[17:14] <acheronuk> clivejo: yes. gradually. done a fair few today.
[17:15] <acheronuk> is that ok?
[17:16] <tsimonq2> clivejo, Clifford, acheronuk: I have no idea how to make apps stable again if I don't know *exactly* what makes them unstable. :P
[17:20] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: are you referring to the status on the QA page, or the KCI messages, or just generally?
[17:20] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: as in the KCI messages
[17:21] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: and the page
[17:23] <acheronuk> well, the QA page has the cmake output, missing file, lintian output, for what was wrong, when you click the "show/hide" link for each package that is not green
[17:24] <acheronuk> KCI should have some clues in the parsed console output link, or failing that in the buildlog link
[17:25] <acheronuk> it's just detective work from there to try to work out the problem and a fix.
[17:32] <acheronuk> .......or just stare at the error for some time thinking, WTF?
[17:33] <ahoneybun> http://blog.broulik.de/2016/08/getting-ready-for-lts/
[18:22] <santa_> clivejo: I have been reading the irc logs, I see you mentioned this
[18:22] <santa_> * clivejo wonders how this GCC move is going to effect building on two different versions
[18:23] <santa_> see analitza for instance, you updated the symbols file because there was at least 1 additional symbol with yaketty/gcc6 right?
[18:24] <santa_> lets supose this symbol this symbol appears only in gcc 6 (it's just an example)
[18:25] <santa_> now lets supose we backport the package for xenial, which has gcc 5
[18:26] <santa_> we are now in trouble because it will fail to build because the symbol is missing for gcc 5
[18:26] <santa_> of course we could re-work the symbols files for backporting but this seems pretty idiotic to me
[18:28] <santa_> so I think we could follow a better workflow and it's working in parallel for yakkety and xenial and mark the gcc6-only optional symbols as optional=gccinternal
[18:29] <santa_> like what I did with my frameworks merge requests
[18:29] <santa_> this way we will have backports friendly symbols files
[19:18] <acheronuk> clivejo: I may not get onto doing any more of those 16.04.3 apps today
[19:18] <clivejo> I think its just lintian stuff now
[19:19] <clivejo> bar kalzium
[19:19] <clivejo> santa_ was looking into that
[19:20] <clivejo> Id kinda like to have the finished and ready to upload this weekend
[19:20] <acheronuk> yes. some of it I'm not sure what to do with, as looking at debian/neon, they have just ignored many of the ones left.
[19:21] <santa_> clivejo: kalzium must be fixed now with yesterday's upload of avogadro
[19:21] <clivejo> santa_: didnt know that, Ill start a NC rebuild
[19:22] <yofel> I just retried it
[19:22] <yofel> clivejo: ^
[19:22] <santa_> yes, please go ahead. as long as its built with my fixed avogadro (already in yakkety) it will build fine
[19:22] <yofel> should work as long as it doesn't use avogadro on armhf
[19:23] <tsimonq2> http://tsimonq2.net/blog/2016/08/13/
[19:23]  * tsimonq2 runs
[19:25] <clivejo> darn trolls!
[19:28] <acheronuk> amd64 of kalzium just built :)
[19:33]  * tsimonq2 throws ahoneybun off a building
[19:33] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: https://kubuntu.com/news/kubuntu-podcast-15/ https certificate is wacky, got red screen
[19:33] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: and you guys spelled my last name wrong! s/Quigly/Quigley/g
[19:34] <acheronuk> 'Your connection is not secure. The owner of kubuntu.com has configured their web site improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox Developer Edition has not connected to this web site.'
[19:34] <acheronuk> ditto then ^^^
[19:35] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: read the comments on your videos! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pKHWBgXx5c
[19:35] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: and you said you would link to my soundboard but didn't :P
[19:36] <valorie> maybe take all this to #kubuntu-podcast?
[19:36] <tsimonq2> valorie: that's a thing? :O
[19:36] <valorie> lol
[19:36] <valorie> !alis | tsimonq2
[19:36] <valorie> <3 <3
[19:41] <acheronuk> apt-cache policy packagekit
[19:41] <acheronuk> packagekit:
[19:41] <acheronuk>   Installed: (none)
[19:41] <acheronuk>   Candidate: 1.1.1-1ubuntu1
[19:41] <acheronuk> a least that migrated ^^^
[19:41] <yofel> oh wow
[19:49] <clivejo> yofel: how are apps looking?
[19:50] <clivejo> WOW
[19:50] <clivejo> plasma just crashed
[19:50] <clivejo> thats a first on yakkety!
[19:52]  * soee is https://maidencalifornia.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/147772.gif
[20:49]  * clivejo locks tsimonq2 up in KF5Prison
[20:51] <tsimonq2> clivejo: for what crime? :P
[20:51] <clivejo> anti-social behavour
[20:52] <clivejo> pushing people in rivers and so forth
[20:53] <clivejo> !info libkf5prison1
[20:53] <acheronuk> clivejo: yofel: problem with the apps and plasma-scriptengine-javascript from kde-runtime http://paste.ubuntu.com/23052703/
[20:53]  * clivejo scratches head, why does PIM need barcodes
[20:55] <clivejo> !info plasma-scriptengine-javascript
[20:55] <acheronuk> the rest upgraded ok
[20:57] <valorie> I can easily imagine people getting barcodes via email
[20:57] <valorie> so it would need to read them
[20:58] <valorie> and perhaps be able to generate them as well
[20:58] <valorie> in fact some people now sign email with a barcode
[20:58] <valorie> rather than "geek block"
[20:59] <acheronuk> ahhh
[20:59] <acheronuk> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[20:59] <acheronuk>  kde-runtime : Depends: libwebp6 (>= 0.5.1) but it is not installable
[20:59] <acheronuk> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[20:59] <acheronuk> but all that built against proposed, did it not?
[20:59] <clivejo> yup
[21:01] <acheronuk> and libwebp (0.5.1-2) is still in proposed
[21:02] <clivejo> when did it go to propsed?
[21:02] <acheronuk> 2016-08-03
[21:02] <clivejo> 3rd
[21:02] <clivejo> should have been in there when we uploaded apps
[21:03] <acheronuk> I think I saw it mentioned in one of the discussions on getting things in proposed unstck
[21:03] <clivejo> can you try installing libwebp6 and see what it says
[21:04] <acheronuk> Package libwebp6 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[21:04] <acheronuk> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[21:04] <acheronuk> is only available from another source
[21:04] <acheronuk> E: Package 'libwebp6' has no installation candidate
[21:04] <clivejo> have you propsed enabled?
[21:05] <blaze> sigh
[21:05]  * blaze wants qt5.7
[21:05] <acheronuk> Nope, that is what I was about to say. I guess it will work when it transitions.
[21:06] <acheronuk> so maybe false alarm....
[21:06] <clivejo> so if you had propsed enabled that would probably install ok
[21:06] <clivejo> why do I keep dropping an o
[21:07] <acheronuk> clivejo: just testing, without actually installing anything
[21:07] <clivejo> ah
[21:07] <clivejo> no prob
[21:08] <acheronuk> phew! http://paste.ubuntu.com/23052732/
[21:08] <clivejo> thats better!
[21:09] <clivejo> !info finger
[21:09] <acheronuk> :D
[21:10]  * acheronuk turns off proposed before he forgets and does some damage!
[21:11] <valorie> woah, that's still provided!?
[21:11] <acheronuk> nice. software-properties-kde exits with a segfault
[21:11] <valorie> incredible blast from the past
[21:13] <acheronuk> like Gopher
[21:13] <valorie> yes
[21:13] <valorie> I remember that too
[21:14] <valorie> none of that worked any better at 300 baud than the net is working for me today!
[21:16] <acheronuk> blaze: having enough hassle getting 5.6 migrated!
[21:20]  * blaze still doesn't understand why Qt is in universe
[21:20] <blaze> they're using it for Unity8
[21:20] <tsimonq2> +1
[21:21] <valorie> that does seem strange
[21:25] <yofel> unity8 is in universe too
[21:25] <yofel> until that becomes the default they have no reason to officially support it
[21:32] <valorie> good point
[21:35] <soee> need opinion
[21:36] <soee> kbroulik asked me propose new look for Battery widget
[21:36] <soee> what do you think about battery tab like this: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/13/layout-battery.png
[21:37] <soee> icons will be different as this is only draft
[21:39] <valorie> nice soee
[21:54] <clivejo> FF looks nasty in YY at the moment :(
[21:55] <tsimonq2> yeah :(
[22:05] <valorie> how are we looking overall?
[22:05]  * clivejo looks in the mirror
[22:06] <clivejo> very tired looking
[22:06] <valorie> lol
[22:06]  * valorie shares the tea
[22:06] <clivejo> need sleep
[22:06] <valorie> I suggest going to bed then!
[22:06] <clivejo> I will once Im certain my ball cock has stopped leaking
[22:07] <clivejo> then turn the water on and have a shower!
[22:07] <valorie> ewww, leaky plumbing
[22:07] <valorie> a shower is nice before bed
[22:07] <valorie> very relaxing
[22:07] <valorie> wrecks my hair the next day so I don't often do that though
[22:08] <clivejo> I know, hate when it wreaks my hair
[22:08] <valorie> my husband just laughs at me when I say that
[22:08] <valorie> he's half-bald
[22:08] <clivejo> Im not bald, but its very short!
[22:09] <valorie> so you were laughing at me too
[22:09] <valorie> FINE!
[22:09]  * valorie flounces away
[22:09] <clivejo> just being sarcastic
[22:11] <clivejo> dont leave me all alone :(
[22:13] <valorie> lol
[22:13] <valorie> as was I
[22:13] <valorie> <3
[22:14] <clivejo> I think Ive fixed it
[22:14] <valorie> what did ya fix?
[22:14] <clivejo> cant hear any water
[22:15] <clivejo> the ball cock
[22:15] <valorie> oh, the toilet
[22:15] <valorie> excellent
[22:15] <clivejo> no, the header tank for the house!
[22:15] <valorie> a little vegetable color will tell the tale
[22:15] <valorie> ooo, that's more serious
[22:16] <clivejo> yes, its hard to get at and I had to empy it first
[22:16] <valorie> a few years back we had the whole house re-piped from the meter
[22:16] <valorie> I'm so glad
[22:16] <valorie> there was a leak somewhere that we could never find
[22:17] <valorie> now all those old galvanized pipes can rust in peace
[22:17] <clivejo> They trying to remove stored water here
[22:17] <valorie> stored?
[22:17] <valorie> like they do in Aus.?
[22:18] <clivejo> yeah, most older houses here have a large water tank in the roof space
[22:19] <valorie> that seems odd
[22:19] <clivejo> and gravity feeds the bathrooms and hot water system
[22:19] <valorie> plenty of water in Ireland, right?
[22:19] <clivejo> used to be due to mains pressure going up and down as people used it during the day
[22:20] <valorie> ah
[22:20] <clivejo> now they have a legal requirement for mains preasure
[22:20] <valorie> they finally looped our system so that doesn't happen
[22:20] <valorie> it was pretty bad when we first moved here
[22:21] <valorie> oops, let's move this to -offtopic
[22:45] <tsimonq2> yofel: heh, Qt 5.7 seems to be in Experimental
[22:46] <yofel> great, hopefully we'll get that early in 17.04 then ..
[22:47] <tsimonq2> yofel: when do we start the transition in KCI?
[22:47] <tsimonq2> (just curious, I'm fully aware 5.6 isn't in the archive yet :P)
[22:47] <yofel> good question. Maybe let it cook a while in experimental and take it in a month or so
[22:48] <tsimonq2> what's the process for doing that?
[22:48] <yofel> yeah, but there are things requiring 5.7 already, so it's a valid point
[22:48] <yofel> qtbase has a readme on how you need to upload it, so if you follow that you can pretty much use the debian package for ubuntu
[22:53] <clivejo> yofel: how are apps looking?
[22:56] <yofel> I wonder why kdenlive isn't picking up qtwebkitwidgets
[22:56] <yofel> or did i only fix that for the CI..
[22:57] <yofel> oh right, and there was that prison issue..
[22:58] <clivejo> do you want to include prison?
[22:59] <yofel> I didn't want to add even more transitions... so lets look at that again tomorrow
[22:59] <clivejo> did I hear somewhere they are releasing it as frameworks?
[23:00] <yofel> that's what I heard, but I see nothing in the 5.25 folder..
[23:00] <clivejo> yeah, just looked myself
[23:00] <tsimonq2> hmm
[23:00] <yofel> kdesdk-thumbnailers needs its -dbg package killed
[23:01] <tsimonq2> so Lubuntu Next uses Muon Discover and I'm going through and configuring everything
[23:01] <aektzis> :)
[23:01] <tsimonq2> it's broken...
[23:02] <aektzim> damn I forgot the PC at work open :P
[23:02] <yofel> hm, the pim libs will need multiarchifying
[23:02] <aektzim> how are you guys? (jim)
[23:02] <yofel> o/
[23:03] <aektzim> :)
[23:03] <tsimonq2> http://img.ctrlv.in/img/16/08/14/57afa7407bd5d.png
[23:03] <tsimonq2> what's this?
[23:03] <tsimonq2> yofel, clivejo: ^
[23:03] <tsimonq2> I assume I'm missing a package?
[23:04] <yofel> probably, I don't remember ever seeting that, but that sounds like QML having issues
[23:04] <tsimonq2> what would you suggest at this point?
[23:05] <yofel> clivejo: you did not merge santas fixed for k-a?
[23:05] <yofel> *fixes
[23:05] <clivejo> merged locally
[23:05] <clivejo> not to LP
[23:05] <yofel> can you please push that?
[23:05] <clivejo> wanted to test it
[23:06] <clivejo> are you OK with it?
[23:06] <clivejo> there some stuff Ive no idea what it does
[23:07] <yofel> we can fix that up later, I would like to have a working git-buildpackage again..
[23:08] <yofel> hm
[23:09] <clivejo> ok, pushed
[23:14] <yofel> thanks
[23:23] <santa_> yofel, clivejo: thank you for putting it in, if my test rebuild finds anything wrong I will the issue asap
[23:23] <yofel> E: ksirk: embedded-library usr/games/ksirk: libidn
[23:23] <yofel> oh come on
[23:25] <santa_> * I will fix the issue asap
[23:26] <yofel> oh, libidn is part of that embedded iris :/
[23:28] <santa_> btw as a friendly reminder minuet needs a new drumstick; maybe you want to upload it to yakkety before pushing kde apps?
[23:28] <santa_> (if you didn't already)


[08:01] <Saviq> And mornin' o/
[08:04] <alan_g[m]> Good morning 👋
[08:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #235](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/pull/235): Do not bind to interface versions newer than supported
[08:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** bors[bot] closed [issue #234](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/234): WLCS will happily bind a global version higher than the one defined in the wayland.xml it was compiled for
[13:29] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths pushed something to [pull request #2299](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2299): Filter 2 distinct bogus touch event scenarios
[13:38] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths marked [pull request #2421](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2421): Fedora 36 as ready for review
[13:51] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths pushed something to [pull request #2299](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2299): Filter 2 distinct bogus touch event scenarios
[13:53] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths pushed something to [pull request #2299](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2299): Filter 2 distinct bogus touch event scenarios
[13:55] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths pushed something to [pull request #2299](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2299): Filter 2 distinct bogus touch event scenarios
[15:04] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2421](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2421): Fedora 36
[16:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #236](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/pull/236): Use maximum shared version when binding globals
[16:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[16:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Fixes: #234
[17:11] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** jdbelo opened [issue #2463](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2463): Some touch events are not being fired on Ubuntu-Core... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/2a2a315e212e8534668bcf67fcba737a14a12700)
[17:16] <Saviq> And good night o/
[17:38] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #236](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/pull/236): Use maximum shared version when binding globals
[17:38] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** bors[bot] closed [issue #234](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/234): WLCS will happily bind a global version higher than the one defined in the wayland.xml it was compiled for
[17:39] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** graysonguarino pushed something to [pull request #2299](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2299): Filter 2 distinct bogus touch event scenarios


[00:39] <coz_>  good day all
[10:30] <zniavre> good morning
[10:31] <zniavre> im looking for the way to modify some widget (bg prelight of radio/check buttons ) inside a tab (notebook)?
[13:09] <coz_>  good day all


[00:33] <LaserJock> anybody offhand know the syntax for doing a "if previous package version is less than <current version> then run this" for a postinst?
[00:57] <TheMuso> LaserJock: an example from pulseaudio: dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt-nl "0.9.14-0ubuntu9"; then
[00:57] <TheMuso> so if dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt-nl "0.9.14-0ubuntu9"; then; then
[00:58] <LaserJock> TheMuso: 2 then's?
[00:58] <TheMuso> LaserJock: no
[00:58] <TheMuso> sorry meant one
[00:58] <TheMuso> I didn't realise I copied the then
[00:58] <LaserJock> k, I was just making sure I wasn't going insane
[01:06] <LaserJock> is that the only way to tell if a package is being upgraded as opposed to a new install?
[01:16] <TheMuso> LaserJock: There is checking what is passed to the script in $1
[01:17] <TheMuso> I think that can help some
[01:23] <leonel> can someone check  bug 446838  if I've did the diffs  correct ??
[02:35] <ScottK> zul: What's the story about ebox-dhcp?  Do you have an archive admin who will review it (I can't promise to have time)?
[02:57] <zul> ScottK: Im not exactly sure what happened with it, I thought I uploaded it
[03:02] <zul> ScottK: I got it now Im going to upload it
[04:12] <kirkland> okay it's late
[04:12] <kirkland> someone help me
[04:13] <kirkland> what's the recipe for moving a file from one package to another, when both packages are going to be installed at the same time on the same system
[04:13] <kirkland> conflicts/replaces i know
[04:13] <kirkland> more detail please
[04:39] <ScottK> kirkland: Replaces: kdebase-workspace-bin (<= 4:4.1.82-1) and Conflicts: kdebase-workspace-bin (<< 4:4.1.82) would be an example.
[04:39] <kirkland> ScottK: thanks muchly
[04:40] <ScottK> Note I edited that and they don't match exactlyu
[04:52] <superm1> ScottK, would you mind looking over bug 432669?  I'm getting some questions already from people about it
[04:57] <ScottK> superm1: How useful is this package outside Mythbuntu?
[04:57] <wrapster> apart from dpkg -S and apt-cache search is there any other way to find out info about the location of a particular file and see in which pkg it exists?
[04:58] <superm1> ScottK, afaik, only useful in media center boxes
[04:58] <superm1> so maybe it really should just be our call
[04:58] <ScottK> superm1: I'd say you're call with your Mythbuntu hat then.
[04:58] <superm1> ScottK, okay thanks
[07:07] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Is dbus supposed to work in a chroot? I've just installed a package, and I'm getting "dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.apertium.info was not provided by any .service files" but the service file exists...
[07:39] <dholbach> good morning
[07:47] <MTecknology> dholbach: G'MORNING!!
[07:47] <dholbach> hi MTecknology
[07:47] <MTecknology> dholbach: you should join me in my quest
[07:47] <dholbach> should I? :)
[07:48] <MTecknology> I'm trying to compile an Ubuntu kernel that's less than 2.5MB, prefere 2.1
[07:48] <MTecknology> but still giving me a fully usable system
[07:48] <dholbach> no no no no no no no
[07:48] <MTecknology> yes?
[07:48] <dholbach> I stopped building kernels like 5-6 years ago
[07:48] <dholbach> I'm happy thanks :)
[07:48] <MTecknology> :P
[07:49] <MTecknology> so far my .config is ~50% the ubuntu .config
[07:49] <MTecknology> but - I don't have ext2,3, btrfs, etc. support. Only ntfs, fat, and ext4
[07:51] <dholbach> good luck
[07:53] <MTecknology> :P - thanks
[07:54] <MTecknology> Do you know if there's much difference between vanilla kernel and ubuntu kernel branches aside from .configs?
[09:41] <leaf-sheep> Hello, I'm wondering if I can request for a package to be updated? It have been long time since it got updated.
[09:41] <azeem> is it updated in Debian?
[09:42] <leaf-sheep> azeem: I don't know. I'll try and find out.
[09:43] <leaf-sheep> azeem: Ubuntu + Debian --> Same package version.  I'm talking about the package -- cgoban
[09:44] <wrapster> i have a tar file which contains only libraries that needs to sit in the /usr/include dir...
[09:44] <wrapster> using this can i create a .deb pkg?
[09:44] <wrapster> its urgent could you please help me?
[09:45] <azeem> libraries don't sit in /usr/include
[09:48] <leaf-sheep> azeem: http://www.gokgs.com/download.jsp
[09:49] <leaf-sheep> azeem: It's at 3.3.26 -- I take it that it won't be updated until Debain do that?
[09:51] <azeem> leaf-sheep: well, if it was updated in Debian, it would automatically get updated in Ubuntu once karmic is released
[09:52] <leaf-sheep> azeem: Is there a particular debian-motu channel that I can request in?
[09:53] <azeem> no, you can file a wishlist bug in the Debian bug tracker after checking whether there is one already
[09:54] <leaf-sheep> azeem: I see. I'll do that.  Thank you. :)
[09:54] <wrapster> azeem: sorry ... its header files.
[09:55] <wrapster> this tarball only contains headerfiles that need to be in the above metioned dir.. i have a tar ball of it.. how can i create a pkg out of it..
[09:55] <wrapster> how do i use the debhelper scripts?
[11:11] <wrapster> whys is it that mkdir -p debian/mpsnexenta/usr/include/mps
[11:11] <wrapster>         tar -C debian/mpsnexenta/usr/include/mps -zxf ../mps.tar.gz
[11:12] <wrapster> if included in the rules file is creating something like this /usr/include/mps/usr/include/mps/
[11:15] <walterl> hi
[11:15] <walterl> python packagers: have anyone else run into the problem of data files being installed in dist-packages and source being installed in site-packages, causing pbuilder build to barf?
[11:31] <geser> wrapster: do the files inside your mps.tar.gz contain a path?
[11:31] <wrapster> geser: yeah.. and i resolved it.
[11:31] <wrapster> geser: that was infact the issue
[11:56] <sebner> huhu mok0 sistpoty|work :D
[11:56] <sistpoty|work> hi sebner
[12:11] <norax_> I am trying to look for a FTBFS bug, but http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909-karmic.html seems fallen. Any other list?
[12:13] <norax_> ok. http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/  I hadn't seen the topic.
[12:15] <wgrant> norax_: Sorry - the Launchpad issues earlier made it a bit angry. Fixing now.
[12:23] <wekt> where do bug reports on the 'alternative' debian install program go?  package debian-installer seems to be something different according to the description.
[12:27] <dholbach> wekt: that depends on which part of it is failing - the people in #ubuntu-installer will know
[12:28] <wekt> i think that puts me 1 step closer
[12:41] <LordMetroid> Why was ibus choosen?
[12:41] <LordMetroid> It lacks functionality, the katakana, hiragana, romaji change key for once doesn't seem to work
[12:42] <LordMetroid> Hmm, maybe I am at the wrong place for these comments
[13:17] <james_w> ScottK: did you decide on a date for final freeze for universe?
[13:18] <james_w> ScottK: if so then I think announcing it on the list would be a good idea to alleviate some panic today :-)
[13:18] <james_w> (apologies if you have and I missed it)
[13:18] <directhex> give me until this evening - banshee 1.5.1 is finally out ;)
[13:23] <ScottK> james_w: Good suggestion.  It'll be after the RC is out, so no need for people to panic.  I need to email the other motu-release people and get the exact time decided.
[13:23] <james_w> ScottK: great, thanks
[13:41] <sistpoty|work> ScottK: how about somewhen around 25th?
[13:42] <siretart`> is that the release date?
[13:42] <sistpoty|work> siretart`: no, release is 29th
[13:42] <siretart`> oh, ok
[13:43] <sistpoty|work> finalfreeze is just needing an ACK for each upload
[13:45] <bdrung_> sistpoty|work: from whom?
[13:46] <sistpoty|work> bdrung_: universe: motu-release
[13:47] <bdrung_> sistpoty|work: i wanted to hear irc nick names. :) seams so that you are on the list
[13:48] <sistpoty|work> bdrung_: that would be ScottK, iulian, vorian, nhandler and myself
[13:49] <bdrung_> sistpoty|work: eclipse-cdt is totally outdated and does not work. is it possible to upload a new upstream release after final freeze?
[13:49] <siretart`> bdrung_: do you manage to have a look at the mplayer-skin mess?
[13:50] <bdrung_> siretart: sorry, no. maybe it works if mplayer-skins provides mplayer-skin (note: missing s)
[13:50] <bdrung_> siretart: rl and eclipse consumes too much time.
[13:51] <sistpoty|work> bdrung_: I must admit that I'd prefer to have it done before final freeze (universe isn't final frozen yet)
[13:52] <bdrung_> sistpoty|work: there is only one problem: it's not packaged yet.
[13:52] <sistpoty|work> bdrung_: then get working on it ;)
[13:53] <bdrung_> sistpoty|work: we are still working on eclipse itself (will hopefully upload it today)
[13:53] <sistpoty|work> ah, k
[13:53] <siretart`> bdrung_: I don't think it's that easy :(
[13:53] <siretart`> but ok
[13:54] <bdrung_> siretart: cdt will probably easier than eclipse sdk.
[13:55] <bdrung_> sistpoty|work: we have to remove eclipse-cdt from the archive if we do not manage it to update the package
[13:56] <sistpoty|work> bdrung_: hm...
[13:56] <joaopinto> eclipse right now does not allow to install plugins, or how do you call it on eclipse :P
[13:57] <bdrung_> joaopinto: i will upload -0ubuntu3 which fixes this
[13:57] <joaopinto> bdrung, great :)
[13:59] <bdrung_> joaopinto: but there may be another issue...
[13:59] <bdrung_> with some md5sums
[14:13] <ScottK> sistpoty|work: I do think we want cdt updated if it's packaged.
[14:16] <sistpoty|work> ScottK: *nod*, the sooner the better
[14:29] <joaopinto> hum, did anyone test run grnotify before introducing it into the repository ?
[14:34] <james_w> joaopinto: bug 413816 or bug 370524? :-)
[14:36] <joaopinto> james_w, a new one, the source seems broken to me
[14:36] <james_w> does it need more bugs? :-)
[14:36] <james_w> failing to install and failing to start would seem to be enough
[14:37] <joaopinto> it fails to install due to a python-xml dependency
[14:38] <joaopinto> it will install and run without it
[14:38] <james_w> well it sounds like it doesn't follow the python policy correctly
[14:39] <joaopinto> AttributeError: 'grnotify' object has no attribute 'getUnreadFeeds'
[14:39] <joaopinto> now it misses a method definition
[14:41] <jdong> install: build
[14:41] <jdong>     python install.py local
[14:42] <jdong> the heck??
[14:42] <jdong> are we remotely supposed to package Python stuff this way?
[14:43] <jdong> well I suppose it was initially packaged for Jaunty
[14:43] <jdong> must've worked back then
[14:43] <joaopinto> it does not run from a jaunty schroot
[14:44] <jdong> lol ok then no more inventing excuses for the packager.
[14:46] <joaopinto> and I dond't understand how it ever run anywhere, getUnreadFeeds is not on the upstream source tarball either
[14:47] <joaopinto> oh wait, there is a getUnreadFeeds on GoogleReader.py
[14:53] <joaopinto> urllib2.HTTPError: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized
[14:53] <joaopinto> next
[14:56] <sistpoty|work> hm... maybe we should remove it? doesn't look like there's upstream activity any longer
[15:00] <joaopinto> I am trying to fix it but I will probably give up :P
[15:01] <sistpoty|work> heh
[15:02] <joaopinto> for some reason it is not sending the cookies received from the login method
[15:03] <joaopinto> i's just trying to fetch https://www.google.com/reader/api/0/unread-count?all=true
[15:05] <joaopinto> anyone experienced with urllib2 and cookies :P ?
[15:05] <ScottK> iulian, vorian, nhandler, sistpoty|work: You have mail.
[15:07] <sistpoty|work> hm... only spam so far /me waits a little bit longer until the carrier pidgeon arrives
[15:08]  * iulian is waiting as well.
[15:08] <ScottK> Sent it to your ubuntu.com addresses, so Canonical may take a little while to forward it on.
[15:09] <ScottK> I checked my mail logs and they accepted it.
[15:10] <sistpoty|work> well, it's a long way, so... *g*
[15:10] <iulian> Indeed. :)
[15:12]  * sistpoty|work looks at the glassbowl and assumes the mail will be there in ~2 minutes
[15:17] <iulian> Ah-ha! It has just arrived.
[15:38] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:39] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[15:40] <sebner> huhu bddebian :D
[15:40] <bddebian> Hi sistpoty|work, sebner
[17:09] <juin> Hi :) I'm co-developer of the game "Plee the Bear". I've seen that the version of the package in Karmic is 0.2.1 but we have uploader version 0.4.1 in Debian a few weeks ago. Is there a chance to have 0.4.1 included in Karmic?
[17:18] <randomaction> !FFe | juin
[17:18] <joaopinto> juin, als you want to request  a sync from debian
[17:18] <joaopinto> also
[17:18] <randomaction> juin: today is a last day before FinalFreeze
[17:19] <joaopinto> it is ??
[17:20] <joaopinto> for universe ?
[17:20] <Laney> no
[17:20] <Laney> for main and restricted
[17:20] <sistpoty|work> no, universe finalfreeze deadline is still being discussed
[17:20] <joaopinto> ok :P
[17:21] <randomaction> ah, sorry
[17:21] <randomaction> today's u-d-a mail didn't make it totally clear for me
[17:21] <Laney> there was a link to some old information for universe
[17:22] <Laney> . o O ( should motu-release re-publish and update these documents each release?)
[17:22] <juin> I did not find on the website of Ubuntu when the syncs from Debian occur, do you have a link for me?
[17:23] <joaopinto> juin, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[17:24]  * sistpoty|work heads home... cya
[17:25] <juin> thanks
[18:03] <Zhenech> .wi19
[18:03] <Zhenech> upsala :)
[18:04] <sebner> ScottK: do you know anything about a FFe for smuxi aka not needing one?
[18:04] <ScottK> sebner: Is there a bug?
[18:05] <sebner> ScottK: nope, bugfix (only?) release only
[18:05] <ScottK> sebner: Then it doesn't need an FFe is it's bugfix only.
[18:05] <sebner> ScottK: http://projects.qnetp.net/versions/show/9
[18:06] <ScottK> sebner: I'll trust your judgement of if it's bugfix only
[18:07] <sebner> ScottK: fine. thx
[19:36] <fabrice_sp> randomaction, ping
[19:36] <randomaction> fabrice_sp: hi
[19:36] <fabrice_sp> Hi :-)
[19:37] <fabrice_sp> I was having a look at bug #451332 and it seems that Debian already fixed the same bug in the next version of the package. Did you ahd a look at it?
[19:38] <randomaction> no, but I should have :(
[19:39] <randomaction> I think it's better to sync
[19:39] <fabrice_sp> yes :-)
[19:39] <fabrice_sp> it's not really a sync, I think that it seems some kubuntu patch has been there for a while, so perhaps it should be kept
[19:40] <fabrice_sp> we can also 'import' the debian patch, and say that it comes for there in the changelog, and make easier the merger life in next merge :-)
[19:41] <randomaction> ah, we also have a kubuntu-specific patch.
[19:41] <fabrice_sp> yes
[19:42] <ScottK> I'm gong to look at that
[19:42] <randomaction> shall I transform it into a merge request?
[19:43] <ScottK> Let me look at that patch first
[19:43] <randomaction> sure
[19:43] <fabrice_sp> ok
[19:44] <fabrice_sp> Super ScottK comes to the rescue :-)
[19:45] <ScottK> fabrice_sp and randomaction: The patch can be dropped now that kpowersave is in Universe.
[19:46] <randomaction> wow, it's from April 2004 :)
[19:46] <fabrice_sp> so it can be a sync request, then. I'll test build the Debian package
[19:46] <randomaction> ok, thanks fabrice_sp and ScottK
[19:47] <fabrice_sp> randomaction, you take care of updating the bug report?
[19:47] <randomaction> ok, just will test-build first
[20:01] <randomaction> fabrice_sp: updated
[20:02] <fabrice_sp> randomaction, ok. Can you just add the changelog entries since the actual version? This way, we will justify this sync :-)
[20:04] <randomaction> Done. I'm no replacement to requestsync :)
[20:09] <fabrice_sp> lol
[20:09] <fabrice_sp> you can run requestsync, and paste the output, withotu send it ;-)
[20:25] <leonel> can someone check bug 446838 if I've made the diffs  correct ??  thank  you
[22:50] <directhex> jono!
[22:51] <directhex> jono!jono!jono!jono!jono!jono!jono!
[22:51] <sebner> jono \o/
[22:57] <directhex> jonojonojonojonojono?
[23:06] <mrooney|w> Are there specific rules for compiled things in a source package? For example if the normal distribution method for a certain Java package is shipping a .war file, can a .deb just ship the war and appropriate init scripts to make deployment more automated?
[23:08] <mrooney|w> Obviously, it is possible to do that, for clarity my question is, can a package in say, universe do this
[23:09] <ScottK> Not knowing anything about Java stuff, is a .war file the preferred form for modification?
[23:11] <mrooney|w> ScottK: no that is the problem, it is basically a compiled Java package
[23:11] <ScottK> mrooney|w: Then no.
[23:11] <ScottK> It would need to go in multiverse
[23:11] <ScottK> Licensing would need to allow redistribution.
[23:12] <mrooney|w> I see, even if it points to the source which is properly licensed?
[23:12] <ScottK> Yes, even if.
[23:12] <directhex> mrooney|w, then the package can compile the .war at compile time, to build the deb
[23:12] <ScottK> The source needs to be in the source package and the binary needs to be built from that source
[23:13] <directhex> the only time it's acceptable to ship binaries in "source packages" is for bootstrapping (e.g. a c compiler is needed to compile a c compiler). this doesn't come under that heading
[23:13] <mrooney|w> I see, okay.
[23:14] <ScottK> And that's only OK as a temporary measure until you can upload one built from source.
[23:14] <ScottK> We could never release with that.
[23:14] <mrooney|w> I see, apparently it is challenging to build maven-based software according to debian policy, so that is why I was asking
[23:15] <directhex> maven is indeed troublesome, afaik
[23:15] <ScottK> Yep.
[23:16] <mrooney|w> So I guess PPA or multiverse are the best options?
[23:16] <directhex> there's one reason for mono adoption: our tools as packagers suck less
[23:16] <mrooney|w> haha, maven is actually pretty awesome
[23:17] <directhex> says the guy eyeing up multiverse!
[23:17] <mrooney|w> haha, it makes it super trivial to build
[23:17] <mrooney|w> not trivial to satisfy debian policy
[23:17] <mrooney|w> oh well, thanks for the advice, now I know the options :)


 Fwd from RikMills: Plasma 5.12.8 landing now in main archive updates. We should be able to have that on the 18.04.3 ISO on 1st August
 Thanks @RikMills that sounds great


[21:01] <TheProf> Good day. Perhaps a beginner question but I'm not sure what is the correct process. I'd like to install edubutu 11.10 but I only have a CD drive. Doesn't boot from USB either. What should I do?
[21:16] <alkisg> TheProf: some options: 1) netboot it from a nearby PC (it's very easy),
[21:16] <alkisg> 2) install the ubuntu cd and then install the edubuntu packages you want over it,
[21:16] <alkisg> 3) use the plop boot manager to boot from cd first and usb then,
[21:17] <alkisg> 4) copy the kernel from the cd to your disk and boot it with the same parameters
[21:18] <TheProf> alkisg, Thank you very much.
[21:18] <alkisg> For (1), see the automation section of this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot
[21:18] <alkisg> I.e. you boot your other pc with the edubuntu cd and only run 1 command
[21:21] <TheProf> OK I'll take  a look at that link


[11:59] <ActionParsnip> Hi. Can someone please moderate this https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/689071
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> User thinks that modifying sources.list to any release you desire is a supported upgrade parh
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> This may harm user systems.
[12:04] <oerheks> i read that piece of linux babe, "sudo sed -i 's/bionic/eoan/g' /etc/apt/sources.list"  is not really oke, but worse: Then we need to disable third-party repositories (PPAs) with the command below.
[12:04] <oerheks> sudo sed -i 's/^/#/' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list
[12:05] <oerheks> and later on re-enable them, horror.
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> But jumping from Bionic to Eoan. Is this supported?
[12:25] <oerheks> no.
[12:26] <oerheks> wait, eoan is 19.10
[12:26] <oerheks> that is what you get from upgrading 18,04 lts
[12:26] <oerheks> the story is part out of date, one should go to 19.04  first, but support ended
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> Can you see the mess she's caused.......
[12:42] <cjwatson> ActionParsnip: We're not going to get into moderating this sort of thing in the absence of abuse
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> OK no worries. Worth an ask
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> Thanks
[12:43] <cjwatson> You can ask Ubuntu developers to weigh in of course, but not really Launchpad staff IMO
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> Coolio
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/689071
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> Now the abuse starts


[04:27] <timus> Hi. I think there's a kernel package missing compared with the other builds: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.10.15-saucy/
[04:29] <timus> There should be a package named like linux-headers..._all.deb which is missing
[06:57] <handbook> anyone here? Can I ask why there's no headers_all DEB for Linux Kernel 3.11.4 & 3.10.15 on kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[16:18] <markx_> Hmm, any reason why theres no headers-all in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11.4-saucy/ ?