[00:39] <miccheck> hi. i'm trying to ssh into a remote vps server from a mac. i've setup the keys and was unable to ssh in as a given user without always entering my password. i finally got it to work without a password using the following format: ssh -i pathToPrivateKey -p portNumber user@vpsIP. Is this the right and necessary way to do this?
[00:46] <sarnold> miccheck: you ought to be able to use an ssh agent on os x somehow, you could add keys to it via ssh-add -t 3600  (for a key that expires in an hour)
[00:46] <sarnold> miccheck: you can configure things in the ~/.ssh/config file using per-host matches if you wish to e.g. use different keys for different hosts
[00:47] <sarnold> or use different login names for different hosts
[00:47] <miccheck> oh, ok. i'm new to linux, so didn't know that. thanks!
[00:54] <miccheck> another one. if i run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade, do i run the risk of taking down my system and causing issues?
[00:56] <sarnold> miccheck: that really should be fine. in ~17 years of using debian and ubuntu I've only once had an upgrade break something "badly"
[00:56] <sarnold> miccheck: we test updates before publishing them, and while mistakes happen, by and large they should be safe.
[00:57] <miccheck> great, thanks! this channel is so useful!
[00:58] <sarnold> :)
[00:58] <miccheck> do you recommend dist-upgrade instead?
[00:58] <sarnold> I use dist-upgrade but that's only because that's what my fingers learned when I used debian unstable daily
[00:58] <sarnold> it shouldn't be necessary to use dist-upgrade for 99% of your upgrade needs but it also shouldn't hurt anything
[01:14] <miccheck> sarnold: thanks again!
[01:15] <sarnold> miccheck: you're welcome ;) have fun
[06:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:27] <fingertips> does ubuntu have a script to reset the FQDN?
[07:25] <fingertips> where is the script?
[08:06] <blackyboy> Hi, My ubuntu production vm got one problem, It's not getting inside my VM username and password are right, Issue was when everr i login its getting kick out from login.
[09:00] <kevindf> If you have the following network address: <IP_ADDRESS>/24 and you need 9 subnets from tesame size (classfull) you would need <IP_ADDRESS>/28 if i'm correct?
[11:41] <liveuser> What DNS server options are there?
[12:00] <andol> liveuser: As in an authoritative dns server or as in a dns resolver?
[12:03] <liveuser> Something that I can use to rename/name sites.
[12:07] <liveuser> /etc/host doesn't work well with these vhost servers.
[12:38] <liveuser> Why does lspci persist in reporting the wrong model for the wireless chip? This happened after loading a non working kernel module driver. Before loading it no model number was reported.Now, after unloading it the wrong model persists to be reported.Is this a sign that wrong firmware was sent to the chip?
[13:00] <liveuser> ApplesInArrays: Why does lspci persist in reporting the wrong model for the wireless chip? This happened after loading a non working kernel module driver. Before loading it no model number was reported.Now, after unloading it the wrong model persists to be reported.Is this a sign that wrong firmware was sent to the chip?
[13:00] <liveuser> eeprom
[13:00] <liveuser> wolf
[13:00] <liveuser> where is daisy
[13:01] <liveuser> daisy
[13:03] <liveuser> whats this cherufe and wolf vostek
[13:03] <liveuser> the wolf on what movie
[13:03] <liveuser> these things watch themselves
[13:04] <liveuser> What is it atreyu
[13:08] <liveuser> andol: do you read?
[13:10] <fingertips> andol: respond
[13:11] <fingertips> andol: you in I know
[13:16] <fingertips> mdeslaur: What is stack smashing?
[13:47] <fingertips> Wrong eeprom
[16:29] <caribou> rbasak: you're the last one that merged libnss-ldap (a while ago)
[16:29] <caribou> rbasak: I've worked on the merge since there is a critical bug tied to it : LP: #1387594
[16:30] <caribou> rbasak: would you by any chance have time to review my merge work & sponsor ?
[16:31] <rbasak> caribou: I can try, but realistically I'm in a sprint in Austin at the moment, am on vacation next week and I have too much to do this week and too little time :(
[16:31] <rbasak> caribou: is it in the sponsrship queue?
[16:32] <rbasak> caribou: I have a topic at the sprint this week about keeping up with this sort of thing. It is a concern to me that I can't do this. I should be able to. Sorry.
[16:39] <caribou> rbasak: yes it is. no worry infinity has already offered to help
[16:40] <caribou> rbasak: but he's on vacation. As long at they don't rebuild the archive we're safe
[16:40] <caribou> rbasak: so no worry; I only thought about the sprint after asking :-)
[17:02] <rbasak> caribou: I've put it on my TODO if I do get to it. The libnss-ldap delta is pretty extensive though and I've never merged it before.
[17:02] <rbasak> In fact I was a bit surprised I have upload rights to it :)
[17:24] <poseidon> Anybody here have hhvm on ubuntu 14.10?
[18:38] <ubuntu-studio> my server's motherboard died. My HDD is good (some corruption, but not anything important) Is anyone available to help walk me through saving my MySQL databases and migrating them to a new install?
[20:28] <johncarp> I've got 2 servers running, 3 PC's and about 5 wireless devices. I also got 2 routers, In order for all the devices to be able to communicate like it would be a single network i should subnet it?
[21:14] <teward> johncarp: you can do that, but that gets tricky if it's standard consumer-grade routers - they don't like multi-subnets.  you'd still need a L2 device to handle the communication across subnets.
[21:14] <teward> (I have a similar setup, but with 8 different LAN segments here at home, and I have a pfSense device acting as the L2 device)
[22:07] <johncarp> teward Oh i see, I will be doing some research :) thanks for letting me know
[22:08] <johncarp> teward i'm using dd-wrt on my second router
[22:55] <kpettit> Can you run PHP and Ruby on Rails on the same server on port 80/443?
[22:56] <kpettit> I want to have one virtualhost that is PHP/WOrdpress then another virtualhost that is Rails
[23:07] <sarnold> kpettit: yes, often times someone will run apache, nginx, or haproxy on port 80/443 for "their website" and it'll reverse proxy to the servers running php or ruby on rails or python or whatever on the system or other computers
[23:12] <kpettit> ok cool.  I'm good with LAMP stuff, but the rails stuff is new too me.  Trying to make sure I can host the customers PHP and Rails stuff like I wanted
[23:53] <ApplesInArrays> I set up this 'crontab -e': "*/1 * * * * /var/www/html/contentCron.php". If I run it in browser ,I can see the change in the database, but after waiting a few minutes, I don't think it's running. How can I diagnose this?
[23:54] <sarnold> ApplesInArrays: does /var/www/html/contentCron.php have the execute bit set? is php set as the interpreter in the #! line?
[23:55] <sarnold> ApplesInArrays: are there any error messages in root's mail?
[23:55] <ApplesInArrays> rw-r--r-- 0644 ok?
[23:55] <sarnold> try 755
[23:56] <ApplesInArrays> Nobody had execute rights according to 644, right?
[23:56] <sarnold> correct
[23:57] <ApplesInArrays> When i visit the site through a browser, why does it run?
[23:57] <ApplesInArrays> apache serves it, but nobody had execute rights. Does apache read/interpret it?
[23:57] <sarnold> because the web server has been configured to send php files through a php interpreter
[23:57] <ApplesInArrays> but crontab -e would be literally executing the php script?
[23:57] <sarnold> probably via mod_php or fastcgi or similar
[23:57] <sarnold> yeah
[23:58] <sarnold> you could also do something like /usr/bin/php /var/www/html/contentCron.php   in the crontab
[23:59] <ApplesInArrays> what you just wrote is the same as me typing 'php /var/www/html/contentCron.php' in terminal, righT?
[23:59] <ApplesInArrays> maybe crontab just doesn't have... 'namespace' like I do in terminal?


[01:26] <mwhudson> thumper: can you review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/reduce-concurrent-job-count/+merge/19574 pls?
[01:27]  * thumper looks
[01:30] <thumper> mwhudson: are you happy with the value 3?
[01:30] <thumper> mwhudson: I'm wondering what we'll do with a new quad core machine soon
[01:30] <mwhudson> thumper: yeah, that did occur to me too
[01:31] <thumper> mwhudson: anyway, happy for this to go in.
[01:31] <thumper> r=me
[01:31] <mwhudson> thumper: maybe i should change it to be a paramter to getJobsForMachine, and have the slave pass it in
[01:31] <mwhudson> that's much easier to change via cp
[01:31] <thumper> yeah
[01:32] <thumper> can we have it as a command line param?
[01:32] <thumper> or at least have a command line override the default if supplied
[01:32] <thumper> that way we can keep this config variable
[01:32]  * thumper runs to collect Rachel and a coffee
[02:24] <mwhudson> thumper: want to review incremental-code-imports-bug-512683 ?
[02:24] <thumper> mwhudson: sure
[02:24]  * mwhudson boggles
[02:24] <mwhudson> i can't type new lines into this textarea
[02:26]  * mwhudson restarts ff, it works now
[02:26] <mwhudson> stupid free software crap

[02:40] <mwhudson> thumper: you have mail
[02:55] <thumper> ok
[02:55] <thumper> mwhudson: damn out of order emails
[02:56] <mwhudson> thumper: :-)
[02:56] <thumper> mwhudson: is 5k too much?
[02:56] <thumper> mwhudson: how many on the kernel before it goes slow?
[02:56] <mwhudson> thumper: ot
[02:56] <mwhudson> it's a bit of a guess, to be sure
[02:56]  * mwhudson goes to look at some log files
[02:58] <mwhudson> it probably is too many, takes about 12 hours for the kernel?
[02:59] <mwhudson> 2500 took about 6 hours
[02:59] <thumper> 1000?
[02:59] <mwhudson> 1000 about 1hr 30
[02:59] <thumper> lets use that
[03:00] <mwhudson> thumper: ok
[03:00] <thumper> mwhudson: I don't have an issue with an intial git import taking 20 or 30 partial successes
[03:00] <thumper> mwhudson: is this mainline revisions or total revisions?
[03:00] <mwhudson> thumper: total
[03:00] <mwhudson> thumper: linux is 168 k :-)
[03:01] <thumper> hmm...
[03:01] <thumper> well, worth a crack nigel
[03:01] <mwhudson> it'll be easy to chage with a cowboy
[03:02] <mwhudson> you could even do a time based limit i guess
[03:03] <mwhudson> though that'd require changing bzr-git again
[03:04] <thumper> mwhudson:  in test_worker don't you want TestCaseWithFactory rather than just TestCase?
[03:05] <mwhudson> thumper: no, these tests don't interact with the database
[03:05] <thumper> mwhudson: ok
[03:05] <mwhudson> thumper: small changes pushed btw
[03:05] <mwhudson> (i forgot to commit some self-review)
[03:32] <mwhudson> thumper: thanks for the review
[03:32] <thumper> mwhudson: np
[03:32] <thumper> it is Friday afternoon
[03:33] <mwhudson> thumper: do you think we should get a UI review?
[03:33] <thumper> short answer: no
[03:33] <mwhudson> ok
[03:33] <thumper> we may want to get someone to look at it later
[03:33] <thumper> but we shouldn't block on it
[03:33] <mwhudson> yeah ok
[03:33] <thumper> the actual ui change is almost unnoticable
[03:34] <thumper> and only visible in certain early circumstances
[03:34] <thumper> noticable by us, but probably not too many others
[03:34]  * mwhudson ec2 lands
[03:36] <mwhudson> thumper: can you look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/reduce-concurrent-job-count/+merge/19574 again?
[03:36] <thumper> ok
[03:42] <mwhudson> ta
[03:47] <thumper> mwhudson: email coming your way
[03:49] <mwhudson> heh, that's what i get for not writing tests i guess
[03:50] <mwhudson> *running
[03:50] <mwhudson> (also coding on a friday afternoon)
[03:59] <thumper> https://devpad.canonical.com/~tim/description1.png
[03:59] <thumper> https://devpad.canonical.com/~tim/description2.png
[03:59] <thumper> https://devpad.canonical.com/~tim/description3.png
[03:59] <thumper> https://devpad.canonical.com/~tim/description4.png
[03:59] <thumper> https://devpad.canonical.com/~tim/description5.png
[03:59] <thumper> mwhudson: ^^
[03:59] <thumper> comments?
[04:00] <mwhudson> thumper: why a private server?
[04:00]  * mwhudson looks
[04:00] <mwhudson> bah
[04:00] <thumper> mwhudson: because it is easy?
[04:00]  * mwhudson wants focus follows eyes
[04:00] <mwhudson> fair enough
[04:00] <thumper> I could have copied them to penhey.net...
[04:00] <mwhudson> train your fingers to type people.canonical.com instead :-)
[04:00] <thumper> I have people.canonical.com?
[04:00] <mwhudson> yes
[04:00] <thumper> where?
[04:01] <mwhudson> tim@
[04:01] <thumper> or is it devpad?
[04:01] <mwhudson> same as everything else
[04:01] <mwhudson> no
[04:01] <mwhudson> it used to be rookery, but it's another machine now
[04:01] <mwhudson> lillypilly or something
[04:01] <thumper> heh, first time I've logged in to there
[04:03] <thumper> ok all on https://people.canonical.com/~tim/description*.png too
[04:03] <mwhudson> thumper: do you have a screeny of the description in the lower position when both description and commit message are set?
[04:03]  * thumper makes one
[04:05] <mwhudson> thumper: boring one for you
[04:05] <mwhudson> thumper: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/bzr-2.1-gold/+merge/19678
[04:07] <thumper> http://people.canonical.com/~tim/description6.png
[04:07] <thumper> mwhudson: 6400 lines isn't trivial :)
[04:07] <thumper> mwhudson: proposed against db-devel?
[04:08] <mwhudson> thumper: crap
[04:08] <mwhudson> yeah
[04:08] <thumper> mwhudson: I want to be able to have an editor to change that
[04:08] <thumper> mwhudson: to save the whole delete, recreate screwage
[04:09] <mwhudson> thumper: yes please
[04:09] <mwhudson> thumper: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/bzr-2.1-gold/+merge/19679 then
[04:11] <thumper> done
[04:11] <mwhudson> three things in ec2
[04:12] <mwhudson> might be enough for today...
[09:01] <adeuring> on call: adeuring || reviewing: - || queue [] || This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com || https://code.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+activereviews
[09:07] <henninge> adeuring: was that ^ meant to go into the subject? ;-)
[09:07] <adeuring> henninge: argh, yes...
[09:07]  * adeuring needs more coffee
[09:08] <henninge> adeuring: cool, that means you have time for my branch! ;-)
[09:08] <adeuring> henninge: sure, but first more coffee ;)
[09:08] <henninge> adeuring: whatever you need ... ;)
[09:08] <henninge> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~henninge/launchpad/bug-523810-needs-information-age/+merge/19689
[09:09] <henninge> adeuring: thanks
[10:24] <adeuring> henninge: review sent. I have a few questions
[10:25] <henninge> adeuring: thanks, I'll look at it
[10:29] <henninge> adeuring: about the placement of the constants in the inteface module.
[10:29] <adeuring> henninge: yes?
[10:30] <henninge> adeuring: I remember a rule that browser and test code should not import from model code.
[10:30] <adeuring> henninge: yes, you're right
[10:30] <henninge> adeuring: I have to admit, I have not found anybody with that same memory yet .... ;)
[10:30] <henninge> adeuring: oh, there you are! ;-D
[10:31] <henninge> adeuring: that's why I moved this into the interface module.
[10:31] <adeuring> ok, so let's leave it there
[10:31] <henninge> adeuring: also, I consider these expiration times as implementation-independent.
[10:31] <adeuring> ok
[10:31] <henninge> and that is the idea of the interface-model split, isn't?
[10:32] <adeuring> henninge: in general, yes. But it is a bit ober-bureaucratic in ths case, IHMO ;)
[10:33] <adeuring> s/ober/over/
[10:33] <henninge> ;)
[10:34] <henninge> adeuring: but I don't see a pressing reason not to have this in the interface module
[10:34] <adeuring> right
[11:05] <henninge> adeuring: replied ;)
[11:05]  * adeuring is looking
[11:09] <adeuring> henninge: r=me. Thanks for the changes!
[11:09] <gmb> adeuring: Do you have time to review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gmb/launchpad/link-attachment-bug-524296/+merge/19694 ?
[11:11] <henninge> adeuring: thank you
[11:32] <adeuring> gmb: r=me, one small additional request
[11:32] <gmb> adeuring: Thanks.
[11:33] <adeuring> gmb: welcome :)
[12:09] <noodles775> Hi guys, one for the queue: https://code.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/launchpad/ppa-privatisation-test-refactor2/+merge/19696
[12:10] <noodles775> ... if you don't mind me being gone for lunch :)
[12:11] <adeuring> noodles775: I'll have lunch too soon, but after that i can take it.
[12:30] <bac> hi adeuring, salgado: can i add https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-487793/+merge/19700 to the queue?
[12:31] <salgado> bac, sure; I'll take it
[12:31] <bac> thx
[13:22] <noodles775> Thanks for the review salgado
[13:24] <noodles775> Sheesh, I've no idea what the garbage in the testing factory...
[13:24] <adeuring> salgado: can you please review this MP: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-201015-bug-branch-search/+merge/19699?
[13:25] <salgado> adeuring, sure.  would you like to take bac's so that I go straight to yours?  otherwise I'll do yours after I finish his
[13:25] <adeuring> salgado: sure, np
[13:28] <noodles775> salgado: so the stuff that looks like garbage in factory.py is actually in trunk, it's a sample diff used by some factory methods. My editor automatically removed some trailing whitespace from it.
[13:29] <salgado> oh, I see.  the lines starting with a white space followed by a '+' are just context to your diff
[13:29] <noodles775> Yep.
[13:30] <salgado> cool
[13:30] <jtv> salgado, one more for the queue: https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-523926/+merge/19704
[13:30] <jtv> thanks
[13:45] <salgado> adeuring, did you ask for a UI review of your branch?  a UI reviewer might have other ideas for where to place the new radio button
[13:45] <adeuring> salgado: no, not yet...
[13:49] <salgado> adeuring, is there a compelling use case for including only the bugs *without* a linked branch?  I don't see a similar option for including only bugs without patches/CVEs
[13:50] <salgado> disclaimer: I haven't read the bug report yet
[13:50] <adeuring> salgado: well, the wish is mentioned in the bug report ;)
[13:50] <adeuring> salgado: and a use case is: "look for bugs that seem to be uninished", for example
[13:53] <salgado> adeuring, right, but having support for that makes the radio button necessary, thus adding some complexity and making for a not-very-clear UI
[13:53] <adeuring> right
[13:55] <salgado> I'd rather address just the most common use case (searching only for bugs with linked branches), which would allow for a simpler UI.  and later, if necessary, we can extend it
[13:56] <salgado> but if we can come up with a simple UI that accommodates both use cases, I'd be ok, I think
[13:56] <salgado> although we might be adding a feature that may never be used
[13:56] <salgado> adeuring, did you have a pre-implementation call?
[13:57] <adeuring> salgado: no...
[13:57] <adeuring> salgado: shall we also ask the ui reviewer about the "no branches" option?
[13:58] <salgado> adeuring, sure, but it might be a good idea to first decide whether or not it's worth allowing users to search for bugs without branches
[14:00] <adeuring> salgado: well, one option is to search fro bugs which are "unfinished", even if this simply means that a branch in fact exists but is not linked.
[14:00] <adeuring> We have the use case to better suport upstream
[14:00] <adeuring> so being able to provide upstream with branches for bugs seems to be useful
[14:01] <salgado> adeuring, can you bring that up for discussion with deryck?  I think you guys are better equipped than myself to decide whether or not it's useful
[14:01] <adeuring> ok
[14:02] <salgado> I was just trying to ensure we discussed it before going any further, to avoid having to rework later or trying to simplify a UI that's may not be necessary
[14:03]  * deryck looks at the initial bug report
[14:08] <deryck> adeuring, salgado -- I haven't looked at the UI for this, i.e. haven't branched and run this myself, but if the UI is horrible to enable the negative, I would lean toward just searching for bugs *with* branches.
[14:09] <adeuring> deryck: let me make a sreecnshot...
[14:09] <deryck> adeuring, salgado -- hearing you guys discuss this, though, I do wonder why a radio button is required.  maybe a "with branch" and "without branch" check box, and just form validate that only one is selected.  Or else do nothing different than the default. :-)
[14:10] <deryck> adeuring, ok, will wait on screenie
[14:10] <adeuring> deryck: an interesting idea ;)
[14:11] <salgado> deryck, that wouldn't be a great UI either, I think
[14:11] <adeuring> deryck, salgado: http://people.canonical.com/~adeuring/branchsearch.png
[14:16] <deryck> adeuring, salgado -- so I don't think the radio is bad.  I think it should be made to look like the affects option -- a check for "show with branches" (or some better phrase) and then "with linked branch" and "without linked branch" toggle.
[14:17] <deryck> we shouldn't have to have it toggled on for the default.  but admittedly, I'm thinking only UI here and not what's involved to code this.
[14:17] <salgado> ain't that how we should think when designing the UI? ;)
[14:18] <adeuring> deryck: nice idea!
[14:18] <deryck> heh
[14:18] <deryck> salgado, adeuring -- of course, this is just an idea.  I'm not a qualified UI reviewer. :-)  I would pre-imp with a ui person.
[14:19] <adeuring> deryck: but... I think I know what you mean, but the "any" and "all" buttons below "show bugs affecting me" relalte to the "tags" field on left ;)
[14:19] <salgado> yeah, it took me ages to realize that
[14:21] <deryck> yeah, so it's not a perfect idea.  and the grouping of the options could generally be better.
[14:22] <salgado> adeuring, care to check with a UI reviewer what they think of these two options?
[14:22] <adeuring> noodles775, sinzui: ^^^^
[14:24] <sinzui> adeuring: noodles775: I can do it in 30 minutes
[14:25] <noodles775> OK, thanks sinzui.
[14:36] <BjornT> adeuring, salgado: here's a small patch for you to review when you have time: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bjornt/launchpad/quiet-update-sourcecode/+merge/19710
[14:37] <adeuring> I'll look at it
[14:37] <BjornT> thanks
[15:04] <adeuring> BjornT: r=me
[15:08] <BjornT> thanks adeuring
[16:09] <jtv> rockstar: can you check if I understood you correctly?  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-523449/+merge/19622
[16:10] <jtv> rockstar: and its sibling, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-507681/+merge/19531
[16:10] <sinzui> adeuring: I am sorry my review is taking so long. bugs advanced search has many ui bugs that have irked me. Instead of doing a simple review, I am looking at why this page is different from other forms and will propose a fix instead of asking you to find the fix
[16:10] <adeuring> sure, sounds good!
[16:11] <rockstar> jtv, so basically, you kept moved some work into the second branch that could have been in the first?
[16:12] <jtv> rockstar: yes
[16:12] <jtv> rockstar: I moved the "if work_is_appropriate: work()" structure into the utility.
[16:13] <jtv> Could've done better, I know.
[16:13] <rockstar> jtv, it's fine, was just a bit confusing.
[16:24] <salgado> bigjools, around?
[16:25] <salgado> adeuring, I'll get back to yours once we've heard from sinzui, ok?
[16:25] <adeuring> salgado: sur
[16:27] <sinzui> adeuring: salgado: I am almost done. I have discovered that advanced search is not just a handcrafted form, all the markup and css rules for legend were updated for all forms except this one. I think I can propose a fix
[16:28] <adeuring> sounds good
[16:28] <salgado> cool; that's great
[16:34] <bigjools> salgado: yes
[16:35] <salgado> bigjools, I was just wondering if it'd be possible to use a newly created distribution in that test, to have it not depending on any sample data
[16:36] <bigjools> salgado: that would be quite a lot of work :/
[16:37] <salgado> I imagined
[16:37] <bigjools> the other tests in the file all do the same thing
[16:38] <salgado> bigjools, do we need to have the suffixes hard-coded there?  can't we take them from a constant somewhere?
[16:38] <bigjools> salgado: that's the only place they will appear - is there a benefit to doing that?
[16:39] <salgado> in that case, no
[16:39] <salgado> approved. :)
[16:39] <bigjools> one of these days we'll get rid of the sampledata crack for Soyuz
[16:40] <bigjools> salgado: cheers
[16:40] <bigjools> salgado: I'd love to replace this particular sample data with a function that will set it up instead
[16:41] <bigjools> check out lucilleconfig if you want to see why that's tough :)
[16:42] <salgado> I believe you it's tough, and that's why I'm not convinced we'll ever manage to get rid of sampledata for soyuz/registry/bugs tests
[16:43] <bigjools> well tough doesn't mean impossible :)
[16:43] <bigjools> it will just take a very long time :/
[17:13] <jtv> rockstar: any chance of finishing the review today?
[17:13] <rockstar> jtv, which review?
[17:13] <jtv> rockstar: oh, I since you commented, I thought you were reviewing my branch.
[17:13] <jtv> well, and since you promised to look at the changes.  :-)
[17:14] <rockstar> jtv, haven't I approved everything outstanding?
[17:14]  * rockstar looks
[17:16] <jtv> rockstar: ah, so you did!  Thanks.  Whole lotta landing coming up...
[17:51] <rockstar> abentley, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/launchpad/bug-517266/+merge/19730
[18:47]  * maxb would like to enqueue https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maxb/launchpad/bug-497731/+merge/19732
[18:52] <salgado> maxb, I'll take it
[18:53] <maxb> thanks
[19:03] <salgado> maxb, is get_bzr_plugins_path() still used anywhere?
[19:03] <maxb> Nowhere outside that file. I was wondering whether to remove it from __all__
[19:05] <salgado> yeah, that's why I asked.  maybe we should just change it instead of having a separate one?
[19:06] <salgado> after all, the only behaviour we want is the one of get_BZR_PLUGIN_PATH_for_subprocess(), right?
[19:07] <maxb> It wouldn't even suck to just inline get_bzr_plugins_path at its two call-sites in lp/codehosting/__init__.py
[19:08] <maxb> I agree I can't imagine why any code other than the load_plugins([...]) call itself should want the directory alone
[19:09] <salgado> I'd be against inlining, but I'm all for keeping just one version of it -- the one that does the right thing. :)
[19:11] <maxb> So your suggestion is to just drop it from __all__ ?
[19:12] <salgado> no, just remove get_BZR_PLUGIN_PATH_for_subprocess() and change get_bzr_plugins_path() to append a "-site" to its return value
[19:16] <maxb> That's not acceptable because the bare directory is required for the load_plugins([...]) call ~10 lines below
[19:17] <salgado> oh, I missed that
[19:18] <salgado> why is it required there?
[19:19] <maxb> The way it works is that if you're calling that bzrlib call directly, bzrlib uses *exactly* the directories you pass it. If you're setting the environment variable, bzrlib augments it with the standard directories unless you use the magic tokens to tell it not to
[19:20] <salgado> I see
[19:20] <sinzui> bac: I approved the UI, but you need to fix the links first.
[19:21] <bac> sinzui: i'm just reading it now
[19:22] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: I just used the link to upstream multi-step form. It is very nice. It feels faster than the series picker. I think that has a lot to do with the design shown only the information you need to know
[19:22] <salgado> maxb, then we can rename the existing one to _get_bzr_plugins_path() and remove it from __all__
[19:22] <maxb> Sounds good
[19:23] <salgado> maxb, also, it'd be nice to state in the new docstring why we use the "-site" magic token
[19:23] <EdwinGrubbs> cool
[19:24] <salgado> 65	             args, env_changes={'BZR_SSH': 'paramiko',
[19:24] <salgado> 66	-                               'BZR_PLUGIN_PATH': get_bzr_plugins_path()},
[19:24] <salgado> 67	+                'BZR_PLUGIN_PATH': get_BZR_PLUGIN_PATH_for_subprocess()},
[19:24] <salgado> maxb, can you also align the two dict keys in there too?
[19:25] <maxb> pull the 'BZR_SSH' down onto a new line?
[19:25] <salgado> yeah, that's what I'd do
[19:32] <maxb> "The '-site' token tells bzrlib not to include the 'site specific plugins directory' (which is usually something like /usr/lib/pythonX.Y/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins/) in the plugin search path, which would be inappropriate for Launchpad, which may be using a bzr egg of an incompatible version." ?
[19:34] <salgado> sounds good to me
[19:34] <maxb>         return self.run_bzr_subprocess(args,
[19:34] <maxb>             env_changes={
[19:34] <maxb>                 'BZR_SSH': 'paramiko',
[19:34] <maxb>                 'BZR_PLUGIN_PATH': get_BZR_PLUGIN_PATH_for_subprocess()
[19:34] <maxb>             },
[19:34] <maxb>             allow_plugins=True, retcode=retcode)
[19:34] <maxb> Is that formatting acceptable?
[19:34] <salgado> it's not -- the two arguments to run_bzr_subprocess() should be aligned
[19:36] <maxb>         return self.run_bzr_subprocess(
[19:36] <maxb>             args, env_changes={
[19:36] <maxb> ?
[19:36] <salgado> that works, yes
[19:36] <salgado> args, env_changes={
[19:36] <salgado>     'BZR_SSH': 'paramiko',
[19:37] <salgado>     'BZR_PLUGIN_PATH': get_BZR_PLUGIN_PATH_for_subprocess()
[19:39] <maxb> ok, pushed
[19:46] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: I didn't see an email from you on the mockups. Do you want to discuss that today or wait till Monday?
[19:47] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: sorry. I am still doing reviews. I do need to send an email because I need to collect my thoughts
[19:52] <bac> sinzui: thanks for catching the link issue.  here is a screenshot of the revision.
[19:52] <bac> http://people.canonical.com/~bac/link-portlet-fixed.png
[19:53] <sinzui> bac: That is lovely
[19:54] <bac> i think that's a bit of a stretch but i'll take it and run off to ec2
[21:24] <sinzui> bac: Edwin-lunch: I have spent 7.5 hours doing just UI reviews and proposals. I am burned out.
[21:24] <bac> sinzui: and you should be burned out
[21:35] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: well, I hope you enjoy your weekend.
[21:36] <sinzui> I wont. I am told I am attending multi-cultural night at my daughter's school and there will not be any food from asian :(
[21:37] <sinzui> My youngest daughter caught my wife playing tooth faerie. I need to hack her computer to destroy the evidence
[21:37] <sinzui> This same daughter just dressed the kittens in doll clothes
[21:38] <sinzui> My son who  must has Asbergers just found all the puzzles I hid and is assembling them in my bedroom
[22:10] <bac> sinzui: smuggle in some sriracha and put it on everything
[22:11] <sinzui> well, I think that is an excellent idea. I will report back
[22:11] <rockstar> Can anyone do a really simple review for me?
[22:15] <rockstar> bac? ^^
[22:15] <bac> rockstar: yes.  i'm a very simple reviewer.
[22:16] <rockstar> bac, creating mp now.
[22:26] <rockstar> bac, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/launchpad/js-no-bigger-than-512k/+merge/19751
[22:30]  * bac looking
[22:33] <bac> hi rockstar
[22:33] <rockstar> bac, hi.
[22:33] <bac> it looks good but i have three comments
[22:33] <rockstar> bac, shoot.
[22:33] <bac> 1 - add #!/usr/bin/python
[22:33] <rockstar> bac, ah, yes.
[22:34] <rockstar> Shouldn't it be python2.5 ?
[22:34] <bac> 2 - dude, it's mid-february, start using 2010 already
[22:34] <rockstar> Ugh, c-n-p error.
[22:34] <bac> 3 - should max size be 512 * 1024 ?
[22:35] <rockstar> bac, it could be, yeah.  I didn't think it was that big of a deal, but I'll changed it.
[22:35] <bac> ok, cool
[22:35] <bac> i'll add those to the MP and approve it
[22:35] <rockstar> bac, fixes pushed.
[22:37] <bac> done


[00:51] <wxl> since https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs lacks any links to the ppa, as does sgclark's post about the trusty-backports ppa, can someone please link me?
[01:20] <mparillo> This is an example of the guidance I used to share about backports: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-532-and-frameworks-5120-backported-kubuntu-1504/
[01:21] <wxl> thx mparillo
[04:14]  * wxl yawns
[04:57] <wxl> still up philipballew ?
[04:57] <wxl> uhhh
[04:57] <wxl> wrong channel
[09:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:34] <clivejo> has anything changed graphically in wily this past few days?
[10:36] <clivejo> my display has suddenly got bigger (bigger fonts, bigger tray icons etc)
[10:55] <clivejo> hi sick_rimmit
[10:55] <soee_> in Wily - i doubt
[10:55] <clivejo> soee_: :(
[10:56] <clivejo> this is so weird
[10:56] <soee_> domething related to DPI prbably in your case
[10:56] <clivejo> how do I change that?
[10:58] <clivejo> In Settings> Display Configuation> Scale Display it is set at 1x, but if I move that slider and save, settings crashes
[10:59] <clivejo> Im installing qtbase5-dbg & systemsettings-dbg to get a better bug report
[11:00] <clivejo> this happened in reverse during wily development
[11:00] <soee_> :/
[11:01] <clivejo> but I grew to like the smaller icons
[11:01] <soee_> tbh i had never someserious problems with DPI on my laptop
[11:01] <clivejo> and Id like them back!
[11:05] <clivejo> how do you change the DPI?
[11:07] <sick_rimmit> Hi clivejo
[11:07] <sick_rimmit> morning everyone
[11:14] <soee_> clivejo: i do not change anything, it just work fone
[11:44] <clivejo> eakkk
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:41] <sick_rimmit> Hi BluesKaj
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Hi sick_rimmit
[12:41] <sick_rimmit> Looking at some Bugs, I am Triaging..
[12:41] <BluesKaj> ok good
[12:41] <sick_rimmit> We've got some for Quanta the old HTML IDE..
[12:42] <sick_rimmit> I don't think that we package that any more do we ?
[12:42] <sick_rimmit> Has Kdevelop taken over from it
[12:43] <BluesKaj> sick_rimmit, dunno, i test, but don't package
[12:56] <sick_rimmit> Ah cool, well that's even more important
[12:57] <sick_rimmit> Do you use the TestDrive tool ?
[13:05] <BluesKaj> nope, never used it ...whenever Riddell or one of the devs has a major release/ppa etc, then a list of testers are called to test it
[13:05] <clivejo> I *beeping* hate NVidia!
[13:06] <BluesKaj> that's about as involved as I get
[13:06] <BluesKaj> nvidia works ok vs amd
[13:07] <clivejo> Ive spent an hour trying to get back into Plasma
[13:07] <clivejo> and still got stupid big icons and fonts
[13:07] <clivejo> I dunno why changed over night
[13:08] <BluesKaj> nvidia does have it's bugs but they're usually fixable ...amd 's problems are more numerous
[13:09] <clivejo> but nothing changed, there was no updates, nothing new installed.  Just booted this morning to my whole desktop blown up and ugly looking
[13:10] <clivejo> all my screens are same resolution, just everything is bigger
[13:10] <BluesKaj> system settings>icons>advanced tab
[13:10] <clivejo> its not just the icons, its the fonts, windows everything
[13:11] <BluesKaj> then it's your resolution and your fonts dpi
[13:11] <clivejo> the resolutions are the same
[13:12] <clivejo> Ive still got the screen sizes I had all along
[13:19] <clivejo> this seems to be the problem - https://plus.google.com/+KDEOKK/posts/R34B46xDvNz
[13:20] <clivejo> instead of the default setting of x1, I need to go smaller, like x0.9
[13:24] <BluesKaj> I have increase the dpi due to the size of my monitor, it's a 42" Panasonic plasma TV
[13:28] <clivejo> well that scaling slider is as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike
[13:32] <BluesKaj> clivejo, there's still a lot of features that are missing or don't work well, or don't work at all
[13:47] <clivejo> sorry BluesKaj, I rebooted as you sent that message
[13:48] <clivejo> the problem is it was working fine yesterday.  What changed from yesterday to today ?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> which kubuntu?
[13:50] <clivejo> 15.10
[13:52] <clivejo> its so weird, it did this in reverse a few months ago.  I thought it was just an update as part of wily devel, but I liked the smaller icons and having more room on the screen
[13:54] <clivejo> wasted 4 hours on this now :(
[14:03] <BluesKaj> sorry clivejo i just use the icon sizes settings, but even they don't seem to do much
[14:05] <BluesKaj> I normally don't populate my desktop with icons. I populate the launchers in the panel by dragging them from the application launcher
[14:06] <BluesKaj> in conjunction with the icons only taskmanager
[15:11]  * sick_rimmit Laughs with clivejo
[15:11]  * sick_rimmit "An Ashtray on a Motorbike"
[15:11]  * clivejo is not laughing
[15:11] <sick_rimmit> lol
[15:12] <clivejo> this plasma has a mind of its own
[15:12] <clivejo> like a baby Skynet
[15:16] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: if you have time would you try that slider in different positions and see if it does anything on your system?
[15:38] <clivejo> sgclark: RE: Plasma 5.4.3 are you running the automation scripts or santa's ng ones?
[16:02] <clivejo> any devs here today?
[16:16] <sick_rimmit> looks like its just you and me clivejo
[16:16] <clivejo> indeed
[16:16] <sick_rimmit> I'm just running a testdrive install of 16.04
[16:16] <sick_rimmit> What's this slider you want looking at ?
[16:16] <clivejo> I was wanting to get some of the new release KDE stuff packaged
[16:17] <clivejo> but automation scripts have gone :/
[16:17] <sick_rimmit> Ah got it
[16:18] <sick_rimmit> Just looking at that post on G+
[16:19] <clivejo> does it work for you?
[16:34] <allee> clivejo: about packagging:  AFAIK we have no backup tool in kubuntu.  Maybe kubuntu should try to find one for 16.04.
[16:35] <clivejo> hi TJ-
[16:36] <clivejo> would you have any idea on the status of the new automation tools?
[16:37] <TJ-> No, I've not really been following. Is that the things santa was working on?
[16:37] <clivejo> I believe so
[16:59] <sick_rimmit> allee: I understand KUP is pretty good, and part of the KDE Suite
[17:00] <allee> sick_rimmit: yes. it's nice.  I use it.  Missing is way to abort a running backup and some UI enhancements.
[17:01] <allee> it only backups  user data.  Question is if that enough.   IMHO at least a good start.
[17:01] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: did the scaling slider work for you?
[17:01]  * clivejo had to reboot
[17:02] <allee> Kup is not part of KDE Applications.
[17:02] <sick_rimmit> Install not finished yey clivejo
[17:02] <sick_rimmit> Let me have a look on my lappie here
[17:04] <allee> AH, missing: a) cancel running backup b)  Sort of progress  c) better way to verify archived data. (Doing it here before the backup >~ 26 h delay until backup starts)
[17:05] <allee> But I like that it offers a backup when the USB disk is connected.
[17:06] <sick_rimmit> hmmm
[17:06] <sick_rimmit> How do I find that KDE Module Control dialogue ?
[17:06] <sick_rimmit> Ah now I got it
[17:09] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: Yes that slider works on my machine
[17:09] <sick_rimmit> Which is a 2009 Samsun R710 running a NVidia card
[17:13] <clivejo> doesnt work for me :/
[17:19] <clivejo> Ive tried to override the DPI in the xorg.config file but it only applies it to the login screen then overirdes it
[18:03] <TJ-> clivejo: how about applying it directly using 'xrandr' ?
[20:12] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: how did xenial install go?
[20:30] <clivejo> anyone else got xenial installed?
[21:00] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: I just got the install finished, and is rebooting now...
[21:00] <sick_rimmit> It's in VBox and this laptop is quite old.. 2009
[21:01] <sick_rimmit> Plus, I've been doing loads on my laptop today.. It only has 3Gb of RAM
[21:01] <sick_rimmit> But it has 24Gb of SSD Swap ;-)
[21:12] <clivejo> nice
[21:13] <clivejo> that should speed it up
[21:18] <sick_rimmit> Alright good news..
[21:19] <sick_rimmit> It installed, and booted. I've logged in and am at the desktop.. on 16.04 Xenial..
[21:19] <sick_rimmit> I reckon that's a result
[22:00] <clivejo> indeed
[22:00] <clivejo> no major problems?
[22:37] <clivejo> my internet is soooo slow!
[22:47] <valorie> clivejo: sorry to hear of your recent difficulties
[22:47] <valorie> that really sucks
[22:47] <clivejo> which ones?
[22:47] <clivejo> Ive had a few issues recently?!?
[22:48] <valorie> display was one that I read up here
[22:48] <valorie> in the scrollback
[22:49] <clivejo> yeah that ones annoying me!
[22:53] <valorie> still no fix?
[22:53] <valorie> have you looked for bug reports?
[22:53] <valorie> David is the best for being responsive, friendly and helpful
[22:54] <valorie> d_ed: ^^^
[22:54] <valorie> plus hilarious
[22:55] <clivejo> I dont know what is wrong
[22:55] <clivejo> it just changed last night
[22:58] <clivejo> trying to get my pbuilder sorted for xenial
[22:59] <clivejo> only a few hundred MB but its soooo slow
[23:34]  * clivejo yawns
[23:34] <clivejo> I feel like Im falling
[23:38] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: what are you up to?
[23:59] <valorie> oh dear, sick_rimmit has a sick connection


[00:00] <nalioth> interesting.  i thought idents with *shit* got forwarded here
[00:00] <Pici> So did I.
[00:05] <genii> Gah.     I'm hoping for a two-hour delay tomorrow.
[03:37] <jrib> oh?  is the northeast supposed to get hit too?
[03:37] <jrib> because it felt like spring today
[03:40] <Pici> It was way too warm here.
[08:19] <hischild> shik in #ubuntu is doing all kinds of random chatter.
[08:21] <hischild> thank you jussi01
[08:21] <elkbuntu> who else noted that hostmask?
[08:22] <jussi01> elkbuntu: noted in which way?
[08:22] <elkbuntu> the last three characters.
[08:23] <elkbuntu> of the idiot in #ubuntu
[08:23] <jussi01> .ru? and?
[08:23] <elkbuntu> yet another.
[08:23] <jussi01> ahh
[08:50] <DrDerek> can you guys get rid of Sailormoon, it's Socrates / Stasshole from before
[08:51] <snuxoll> we have a troll in -ot that's ban evading
[08:51] <snuxoll> same guy that was impersonating DrDerek a few weeks ago, by the looks of it
[08:51] <DrDerek> yeah, it is..
[08:52] <snuxoll> DrDerek: why don't these people learn?
[08:52] <snuxoll> DrDerek: moreover, why you of all people ;(
[08:53] <DrDerek> he's a troll from my older days
[08:53] <snuxoll> DrDerek: oh?
[08:53] <DrDerek> yeah, from an old chat site.
[08:54] <snuxoll> DrDerek: how did he find you in -ot?
[08:54] <snuxoll> wow, this guy is annoying
[08:54] <DrDerek> he was trolling another channel I was in, and whois'd me
[13:22] <jrib> how would I ban someone that's coming in from mibbit?
[13:26] <bazhang> panarchy?
[13:26] <jrib> yeah
[13:27] <jrib> @bansearch panarchy
[13:27] <jrib> ...
[13:27] <bazhang> apparently the little chat he had with tritium did not sink in.
[13:28] <bazhang> he was multi-!enter ~7-8 times yesterday
[13:53]  * gnomefreak confused
[13:54] <jrib> gnomefreak: eh?
[13:54] <Pici> eh?
[13:54] <gnomefreak> jrib: the memo that was sent out about #ubuntu-ops
[13:54] <bazhang> I tend to avoid that as the last time I banned /un banned a mibbit user I removed the ban exempt feature on the floodbots
[13:55] <jrib> there has to be a way, otherwise I don't see why trolls don't just use mibbit
[13:55] <Pici> When you kick a mibbit user, the floodbots automagically place a ban on their real host.
[13:55] <bazhang> just dont do it my way :)
[13:56] <Pici> They won't grant +e to people who have matching bans on their real hosts.
[13:57]  * jrib tries
[13:58] <bazhang> I cant actually figure out how to read that memo
[13:58] <bazhang> just that one exists
[13:58] <Pici> /msg memoserv help
[13:58] <gnomefreak> bazhang: /msg memoserv read 1
[13:58] <bazhang> I did that and it says there is one
[13:58] <gnomefreak> or if more than one use all
[13:59] <gnomefreak> Syntax: READ <memo number>
[13:59] <gnomefreak> or instead of number use new
[13:59] <gnomefreak> not all
[14:00] <jrib> you should enable forwarding of memos to your email gnomefreak
[14:00] <bazhang> gnomefreak, thanks, not sure what it means though :)
[14:00] <gnomefreak> jrib: how? i didnt think memoserv used email
[14:00] <bazhang> ie the memo in question
[14:01] <gnomefreak> bazhang: type /msg memoserv read new
[14:01] <jrib> gnomefreak: i get my memos in my email
[14:01] <jrib> I don't remember how exactly, /msg memoserv help  maybe
[14:01] <gnomefreak> i didnt see it but will look again
[14:02] <gnomefreak>  gnomefreak help foward
[14:02] <gnomefreak> .:09:02:10:. -MemoServ(MemoServ@services.)- No help available for foward
[14:02] <gnomefreak> :(
[14:02] <jrib>   /mode #ubuntu +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>just seems to get ignored
[14:03] <LjL> jrib: ?
[14:04] <jrib> LjL: I type that in my client and nothing happens :/
[14:05] <jrib> is it my client being stupid?
[14:05] <LjL> jrib: no
[14:05] <LjL> jrib: *!*@gateway/web/* is already banned
[14:05] <LjL> jrib: so it won't let you do any narrower bans than that
[14:05] <LjL> jrib: also, it's useless to ban mibbit users like that, because the number in the mask is a random session number
[14:06] <jrib> LjL: ok, so how can I ban a mibbit user?
[14:06] <LjL> jrib: just kick them, the floodbots will do the rest
[14:06] <jrib> LjL: and if they've already left the channel?
[14:06] <LjL> jrib: (hint: a mibbit user's ident is an IP in hex, and a mibbit user's realname is their hostname)
[14:07] <LjL> jrib: ban their hostname
[14:07] <gnomefreak> jrib: from what #freenode says there isnt a way unless i write a script so i will screw with it later i have to get going
[14:07] <LjL> gnomefreak: there is a way since we have floodbots
[14:07] <LjL> just ban the hostname, as seen in the realname
[14:07] <jrib> gnomefreak: they're wrong because it's obviously working here
[14:07] <gnomefreak> LjL: memos by email
[14:07] <LjL> gnomefreak: ah sorry
[14:08] <gnomefreak> jrib: nothing in help  or help forward
[14:08] <jrib> LjL: but can I get the realname still?  Does floodbot store that somewhere?
[14:08] <LjL> jrib: no, but /whowas does
[14:08] <LjL> jrib, gnomefreak: /ns help set emailmemos?
[14:09] <bazhang> 220-244-120-169.static.tpgi.com.au  <---Panarchy
[14:09] <gnomefreak> LjL: trying
[14:09] <jrib> ouch, I'm late
[14:09] <jrib> bbbl
[14:09] <jrib> -b
[14:09] <bazhang> hehe
[14:09] <LjL> bazhang: is he banned?
[14:09] <bazhang> LjL, not yet
[14:10] <LjL> bazhang: i see the floodbot logged quite an interesting warning about him :)
[14:10] <bazhang> LjL, he got flagged by fb twice in less than a minute or so
[14:10] <LjL> ugh, he will be banned *very* soon, the bt can't lie so much
[14:10] <bazhang> around 10 times yesterday as well
[14:11] <gnomefreak> thanks LjL that worked i hope
[14:11] <gnomefreak> it says it did
[14:26] <genii> Good morning, afternoon, or evening...
[14:39] <Pici> yikes
[14:39] <ikonia> ?
[14:40] <LjL> weird
[14:40] <LjL> the bots don't send that when they're in emergency mode
[14:40] <LjL> they were caught in the non-emergency grace round i think
[14:42] <LjL> gaelfix has a weird APT problem on Intrepid, http://pastebin.com/d446c99ba - the sources.list looks good, http://pastebin.com/d386004e9 - policy of gnome-panel and consolekit gives the right versions - the thing i find really weird is that the "apt-cache depends gnome-panel" output lists consolekit as a depend, but "show" does not
[14:42] <LjL> http://pastebin.com/d3c6767ca <- depends output
[14:49] <genii> bazhang: Perhaps it's a full moon or so
[14:49] <bazhang> genii, seems that way :)
[14:50] <Jack_Sparrow> I brought grande's mocha's for everyone
[14:50] <Jack_Sparrow> Morning guys
[14:50] <genii> Jack_Sparrow: Yay, caffeine!
[14:50] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: Get the hang of typing yet?
[14:51] <Jack_Sparrow> I took the tape off this am
[14:51] <Pici> Ah
[14:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Still sore and I may miss a few, but, better now thanks
[14:51] <Pici> Good to hear
[15:14] <bazhang> :/
[15:14] <Jack_Sparrow> oy
[15:15] <bazhang> monday tuesday !enterday
[15:15] <bazhang> acute panarchitis
[15:15] <ikonia> yummy
[15:15] <Pici> It must be Thursday
[15:24] <jussi01> Congrats Pici
[15:24] <jussi01> !!
[15:24] <genii> Hiya jussi01
[15:24] <Pici> jussi01: Eh?
[15:25] <jussi01> Pici: Did you not note the results of the CC meeting today?
[15:26] <Pici> jussi01: I missed it /me looks
[15:26] <jussi01> Pici: see #ubuntu-meeting moments ago
 sabdfl: can you tell me the actual outcome RE: IRC council today? we were all elected?
 jussi01: yes, that's correct, and we amended the IRC Council charter to say "at least 5" members should be on the council
 dholbach will email the council
[15:35] <bazhang> is the final outcome a secret?
[15:35] <LjL> bazhang: i'm sure the meeting logs are public on irclogs.ubuntu.com
[15:36] <bazhang> LjL, I was in the channel at the time; I guess I was referring to the mailing list that is 'eyes-only' afaik
[15:36] <jussi01> bazhang: I thought what I just quoted should have cleared it up?
[15:37] <bazhang> jussi01, a decision has been made, that much is clear. Exactly *who* will be on the IRC CC is not. My apologies for not being more succinct
[15:37] <jussi01> bazhang: All of the nominees...
[15:37] <bazhang> ok...
[15:38] <jussi01> so Nick Ali, Myself and Pici IIRC ;)
[15:38] <bazhang> ruh roh
[15:42] <genii> I find !pm > somename         someone ironic....
[15:42] <jussi01> genii: hehe
[16:22] <ikonia> bazhang: what's darkknight on about
[16:22] <bazhang> ikonia, he has switched objects of affection
[16:22] <bazhang> from you to me
[16:22] <ikonia> but what's he on about operators have restricted him ?
[16:22] <bazhang> his blog postings
[16:23] <bazhang> wants a critique
[16:23] <ikonia> silly chap
[16:23] <bazhang> does the metabot need prompting LjL ?
[16:23] <ikonia> he knows the rules in #ubuntu so don't give him any slack, he's been told enough time to help him not get in a mess
[16:24] <bazhang> yep
[16:24] <LjL> bazhang: what do you mean?
[16:24] <bazhang> LjL, the null/spam split
[16:25] <bazhang> ie null/spam question from so-and-so
[16:25] <LjL> bazhang: sorry, i still don't get what you mean with prompting
[16:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Did dark spam us with his blog again..
[16:26] <bazhang> LjL, ie to help it learn; thought I saw you say spam a while back
[16:26] <LjL> bazhang: ah yes, sure
[16:26] <bazhang> LjL, thanks
[16:27] <bazhang> Jack_Sparrow, now in PM!
[16:27] <LjL> bazhang: you can type "null <nickname>" to mark something as not-a-valid-question, or "spam <nickname>" to mark it as not-a-question-at-all
[16:27] <LjL> bazhang: for the other categories, you do "cat <category> <nickname>"
[16:27] <LjL> bazhang: it's a bayesian filter, much like what people have in their mail clients, except it has more categories than just "spam" and "ham"
[16:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Do you have him in PM or is he PMing his blog to people
[16:28] <bazhang> Jack_Sparrow, just to me afaik
[16:28] <bazhang> LjL, thanks, that clears it up quite substantially
[16:28] <Jack_Sparrow> I just talked to him about that a day or so ago
[16:28] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: if I find out it's gone to people in #ubuntu he's gone as I've made it quite clear on many occasions to him the situation with randomly hitting people in the channel with pm
[16:28] <Pici> LjL: Does it accept commands in channel, or just in pm?
[16:28] <LjL> Pici: both
[16:28] <LjL> Pici: where "channel" must be either #ubuntu-meta or #metabot though, of course
[16:29] <Pici> LjL: Okay, the wiki page isn't clear on that.
[16:30] <LjL> bazhang: if something gets marked as "spam" or "null" erroneously, you just "cat" it to some category to overrule it (and teach the filter something more)
[16:30] <bazhang> LjL, so to bring up the category you just type 'cat' ?
[16:30] <bazhang> err categories
[16:31] <Jack_Sparrow> ikonia Since I have some degree of credibility with him, do you want me to tell him one last time.
[16:31] <bazhang> brainfreeze, let me restate
[16:32] <bazhang> to list the categories that is LjL
[16:32] <LjL> bazhang: no, that's "categories"
[16:32] <LjL> bazhang: there's also "help" ;)
[16:32] <Pici> /msg LjL help
[16:32] <bazhang> that is what I am in serious serious need of here
[16:32] <bazhang> haha
[16:32] <LjL> Pici: anyway it's preferable to avoid doing it in #ubuntu-meta, since that channel is supposed to stay "clear" (#metabot is fine)
[16:33]  * bazhang bows to our new IRC overlords
[16:36] <Pici> Wow.
[16:36] <Pici> That blog is just a transcript of conversations from #ubuntu
[16:36] <LjL> what blog?
[16:37] <Pici> LjL: DarkKnight's: http://ossarchives.blogspot.com
[16:45] <Gary> !btlogin
[16:46] <Gary> arghh, I forget!
[16:46] <bazhang> hehe @
[16:46] <Gary> @btlogin
[16:47] <Gary> well that failed to pm me :'(
[16:47] <jussi01> Gary: done @login first?
[16:48] <Gary> @login
[16:48] <Gary> woot
[16:48] <Gary> @btlogin
[16:49] <Gary> thanks
[16:49] <jussi01> :)
[17:00] <genii> jussi01: Particular fellow in #k is getting me annoyed
[17:00] <jussi01> who?
[17:01] <bazhang> its impolite to *refuse* unsolicited PM's ???
[17:01] <Pici> Eh?
[17:01] <bazhang> err unpolite sorry
[17:01] <genii> jussi01: michael__
[17:01] <bazhang> michael_ in #kubuntu
[17:01] <jussi01> ahh, yeah
[17:01] <genii> I think he just wants to rant or so
[17:02] <jussi01> yeah, direct him over to -ot
[17:02] <Tm_T> he's gone
[17:02] <Gary> back again
[17:03] <jussi01> michaels been going on about flash like that for ages.
[17:04] <jussi01> worth a warning/remove soon if he continues to give bad advice
[17:07] <genii> Sorry, work needed me a few minutes
[17:07] <genii> I actually have to /away, they are ringing me again :/
[17:08] <bazhang> ruh roh
[17:09] <bazhang> xeioa is being helped by the seveas
[17:09] <jussi01> and?
[17:09] <Pici> Why is that bad?
[17:09] <bazhang> its not
[17:10] <bazhang> it was an attempt at levity.
[17:10] <bazhang> his glibc in wubi was beyond me
[17:16] <bazhang> genii, the moon is indeed full
[17:17] <bazhang> at least on irc :)
[17:26] <genii> bazhang: Heh
[17:27] <bazhang> genii, michael__ really is digging in
[17:27] <Pici> Actually, it looks like it is a full moon
[17:27] <genii> Yes, I'm just getting caught up on scroll now
[17:29] <bazhang> he'll be back
[17:29] <genii> Heh, he is really catching it from you guys now
[17:30] <bazhang> the number one coffee provider must be defended
[17:30] <ikonia> people are being %100 polite to him and he' just throwing attitude and ramble back
[17:30] <genii> bazhang: Thanks...
[17:31] <genii> ikonia: He started in with the winmodem stuff and it just got worse
[17:31] <genii> I was trying to deal with him inbetween my work calling me every couple minutes, which wasn't working out
[17:31] <ikonia> didn't read the scroll back, just tried to guide him to the real problem before he went off even more
[17:32] <bazhang> he honestly did not seem interested in finding a solution
[17:32] <ikonia> I concur
[17:32] <bazhang> auto-pilot
[17:32] <ikonia> hence why I gave him a warning to get help or not
[17:32] <ikonia> I saw no reason to allow the randomness to continue
[17:32] <ikonia> bazhang: I couldn't work out if auto pilot was default settings, or dhcp
[17:33] <bazhang> ikonia, I dont think it had any real meaning, he seemed just to want to incite imo
[17:33]  * genii puts on another pot of coffee
[17:33] <ikonia> probably
[17:33] <bazhang> that and highlighting you constantly
[17:34]  * jussi01 throws apm at ikonia
[17:36] <jussi01> stupid space bar...
[17:39] <ikonia> i need no apm thank you
[17:39] <jussi01> lol
[17:40] <bazhang> back for more
[17:50] <bazhang> is NIck Ali a regular on IRC?
[17:51] <LjL> bazhang: not that i know of.
[17:51] <bazhang> LjL, okay thanks
[17:51] <LjL> bazhang: perhaps in other channels than mine.
[17:51] <bazhang> in re: the irc cc appointments today
[17:51] <jussi01> bazhang: LjL, yes he is. He goes under the nick boredandblogging
[17:52] <Pici> bazhang: Hes not an IRC Team member.
[17:52] <bazhang> jussi01, okay, I have actually seen that nick before thanks
[17:52] <LjL> jussi01: never seen them in irc team channels though
[17:52] <bazhang> Pici, but he is one of the new IRC overlords correct?
[17:52] <jussi01> LjL: thats right. I was somewhat confused by his nomination/acceptance
[17:52] <Pici> bazhang: Yes. Hes quite active with loco team stuff.
[17:53] <Pici> though ^
[17:53] <bazhang> cool thanks
[17:53] <LjL> i am currently confused with a few things myself.
[17:53] <bazhang> err spelling overlords/cc members
[17:55] <jussi01> LjL: which things?
[17:55] <genii> Pici: Oops, didn't see your earlier reply on webmin there
[17:55] <Pici> genii: Neither did he it seems
[17:58] <LjL> jussi01: things
[18:00] <bazhang> aaro, this is about #ubuntu-es ?
[18:02] <aaro> yes bazhang, can you help?
[18:02] <bazhang> aaro, that is handled in #ubuntu-irc
[18:02] <Pici> Crusher: How can we help you today?
[18:02] <LjL> or not
[18:02] <bazhang> Crusher, how can we help you?
[18:02] <bazhang> oops
[18:02] <LjL> as in - decisions taken by loco ops are quite final
[18:02] <aaro> ok bazhang
[18:02] <bazhang> well meaning addressed
[18:02] <Crusher> soorry mistake
[18:04] <ikonia> ahhh still trying to get into #ubuntu
[18:05] <ikonia> new ip though
[18:06] <bazhang> sken?
[18:06] <ikonia> crusher
[18:06] <ikonia> nothing to do with sken
[18:06] <bazhang> oh thought it was new nick for sken
[18:07] <ikonia> this is a guy who refuses to talk about a ban and refuses to acknowledge, yet trys to get in under many names, like sken, but without the abuse
[18:08] <ikonia> nice to know he's changed his ip, just caught caught out with the "crusher" forward
[18:08] <ikonia> he normally trys other nicks
[18:08] <ikonia> and says he's "new to irc" yet, does +i on his account....so not that new
[18:08] <LjL> ikonia: many clients do that automatically
[18:09] <ikonia> ?
[18:09] <ikonia> ooh +i
[18:09] <ikonia> well, he knows how to change his ip/nick then to ban dodge
[18:09] <ikonia> ;)
[18:09] <ikonia> so not that new
[18:12] <Flannel> Did anyone else get an email a few minutes ago from Mr. Kosiorek about becoming an Ubuntu member?
[18:12] <Pici> Yes.
[18:13] <Tm_T> mmm
[18:13] <Flannel> Alright
[18:13] <Flannel> I wasn't sure if he somehow singled me out, or just went down the whole list
[18:13] <Pici> Flannel: are you going to take it up with someone?
[18:14] <Flannel> Pici: I was going to reply and tell him about the process, but thats likely not 'taking it up with someone'
[18:14] <Flannel> so, no? ;)
[18:14] <Pici> Okay
[18:29] <jussi01> right, Im sick of people like this:
[18:29] <jussi01> [20:29:27] <blitZ> kde4 is not ready for desktop
[18:29] <jussi01> [20:29:44] <blitZ> cause it is too slow...
[18:29] <bazhang> argh
[18:32] <genii> And apparently he uses fvwm anyhow
[18:33] <Pici> 2009 is the year of the linux desktop
[18:34] <genii> Isn't every year ?
[18:34] <Pici> Yes :(
[18:34] <LjL> yes, he was being sarcastic.
[18:34]  * genii decides to just make more coffee
[18:38] <Tm_T> LjL: couldn't find sarcasm on that one really
[18:54] <bazhang> ssken?
[18:54] <bazhang> * [happyholidays] (n=opera@athedsl-21800.home.otenet.gr): sken
[18:55] <bazhang> when does ban dodging become k-lineable?
[18:55] <ikonia> he was klined for a few days by gary
[18:55] <ikonia> he dodged it
[18:56] <ikonia> <shock horror)
[18:56] <bazhang> wow
[18:56] <bazhang> heh
[19:12] <bazhang> :/
[19:13] <genii> I see our unpolite friend has returned to #k
[19:14] <bazhang> hehe
[19:14] <bazhang> installing debian packages for ubuntu
[19:15] <genii> Yes
[19:16] <bazhang> though he may just be confused
[19:16] <bazhang> ie thinking .deb = debian
[19:17] <genii> I think he's just stubborn
[19:18] <bazhang> or both :)
[19:22] <genii> He obviously doesn't bother to read facoids, etc
[19:22] <bazhang> or what is typed in irc
[19:23] <genii> He is REALLY FREAKING ANNOYING
[19:23] <genii> Sorry
[19:23] <bazhang> sure is.
[19:23] <bazhang> 'quit with the crap' etc
[19:26] <genii> I wonder if he's bugging them in #pidgin now. I'm almost tempted to visit
[19:42] <genii> bazhang: Something strange. I can't seem to find his joins and leaves
[19:42] <bazhang> michael__> simple if i may say, don't use the apt-get to get flash the package broken
[19:43] <bazhang> just now genii
[19:43] <genii> Gah
[20:08] <genii> @logout
[20:08] <genii> @login
[20:10] <bazhang> @bansearch enqley
[20:10] <bazhang> he was in earlier using french cusssing people out, just came back in as H_I_T_L_E_R
[20:11] <Pici> wonderful
[20:13] <bazhang> seems like michael__ in #kubuntu ranting is one thing, but outright saying things are broken (eg flash) to new comers is just right out
[20:13] <Tm_T> indeed
[20:16] <genii> @btlogin
[20:16] <bazhang> * [happyholidays] (n=opera@athedsl-21800.home.otenet.gr): sken
[20:17] <bazhang> that has to be ban dodge #23 by sken
[20:32] <jussi01> hrm, curious. I just got an email asking me to add someone to the ubuntu members team. weird. anyone else get that?
[20:55] <PriceChild> jussi01: no idea, is it one of the launchpad contact emails?
[20:56] <jussi01> PriceChild: yeah, seems so.
[20:56] <PriceChild> they annoy me
[21:17] <Jack_Sparrow> I musted buster_hymen until he changes his nick
[21:21] <LjL> nickspoon, topyli, hi
[21:22] <nickspoon> Hi LjL.
[21:22] <topyli> looks like invites aren't very noisy on this setup (irssi-proxy and xchat-gnome)
[21:22] <nalioth> topyli: please introduce yourself to nickserv
[21:25] <topyli> okay done
[21:25] <topyli> no idea how long i've been unidentified
[21:26] <jussi01> ooh, new ops then?
[21:26] <topyli> halflings :)
[21:26] <jussi01> hehe
[21:26] <nickspoon> Heh, indeed.
[21:27] <LjL> well, to be exact, here's our two new #ubuntu-offtopic ops
[21:27] <jussi01> LjL: excellent
[21:27] <jussi01> LjL: although, that guy topyli... well...
[21:27] <jussi01> :D
[21:28] <topyli> you'll get your beer one of these days jussi01 :)
[21:35] <jussi01> :D
[22:03] <nalioth> half-orcs?
[22:11] <topyli> at most!
[22:16] <Jack_Sparrow> If rookie cant provide a url he is looking for a timeout
[22:16] <Jack_Sparrow> ikonia
[22:17] <ikonia> yo
[22:17] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: that was my thinking also ;)
[22:18] <ikonia> whoaaaa
[22:18] <ikonia> look at the topic in their channel
[22:18] <ikonia> 22:16 -!- Channel #ubuntu created Fri Nov 14 20:50:41 2008
[22:18] <ikonia> 22:16 -!- Irssi: Join to #ubuntu was synced in 3 secs
[22:18] <ikonia> 22:17 -!- Topic for #ubuntu: Ubuntu's official community and professional  support channel.
[22:18] <ikonia> 22:17 -!- Topic set by maria [] [Fri Nov 14 20:54:25 2008]
[22:19] <Jack_Sparrow> Sounds like something for a higher authority to look into
[22:19] <ikonia> nalioth: maybe something for your neck of the woods ?
[22:21] <jussi01> @bansearch loldude
[22:21] <jussi01> hrm.
[22:23] <nalioth> ikonia: what neck of the woods is that?
[22:23] <ikonia> irc.geekpanties.com
[22:23] <ikonia> #ubuntu
[22:23] <ubot5`> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[22:23] <ikonia> (great sounding network)
[22:23] <jussi01> hehe
[22:24] <nalioth> we don't have any control over other networks
[22:24] <ikonia> nope of course not, however thought ubuntu may have an interest in them claimining to be the official support channel
[22:24] <ikonia> I am enjoying watching rookeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee flood the channel though with join/part
[22:34] <ikonia> hi ljl
[22:34] <nalioth> ikonia: there's an "official Ubuntu" support channel on damn near every irc network
[22:34] <LjL> nalioth, "official"? you sure?
[22:34] <LjL> nalioth: i'm not very sure canonical would especially like that
[22:34] <nalioth> LjL: mind the quotes
[22:35] <nalioth> why should they mind? their software is set up to bring new folks here
[22:35] <LjL> nalioth: look, if canonical won't let, say, ubuntu-eee be called ubuntu-eee, i'm not sure i see how they'd tolerate some channel claiming to be the official support channel
[22:35] <nalioth> then i guess they'll have their work cut out for them
[22:38]  * Mez shrugs
[22:38] <Mez> different networks != much hassle
[22:38] <Mez> Do any of them have anywhere near the amount of users we do?
[22:38] <ikonia> it's no big deal if they are not bothered, I just assumed they may be
[22:39] <Mez> 22:45 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu to: Welcome to #Ubuntu | The *OFFICIAL* channel can be found on irc.freenode.net at #Ubuntu where there are hundreds of users to help answer your questions | Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com | Forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/ | LaunchPad: https://launchpad.net/ | FAQ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonQuestions
[22:39] <Mez> 22:45 -!- Irssi: Join to #ubuntu was synced in 0 secs
[22:39] <LjL> Mez: ?
[22:40] <Mez> that's on another network. I don't think that anyone claims to be the official channel, just that networks channel
[22:42] <ikonia> LjL: is she behaving odd to you ?
[22:42] <LjL> ikonia: i'm not in PM
[23:48] <Until_It_Sleeps> hello?
[23:49] <jrib> hi Until_It_Sleeps
[23:49] <jrib> Until_It_Sleeps: how can we help you?
[23:49] <Until_It_Sleeps> Uh, can I get my ban lifted?
[23:49] <jrib> Until_It_Sleeps: why were you banned?
[23:49] <jrib> @bansearch Until_It_Sleeps
[23:49] <Until_It_Sleeps> I forgot what I did to get myself banned in the first place.
[23:50] <Until_It_Sleeps> I know I did something, but I forgot what...
[23:51] <jrib> 008-12-07T08:51:50 *** Until_It_Sleeps has joined #ubuntu
[23:51] <jrib> 2008-12-07T08:52:06 -Until_It_Sleeps- +AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[23:52] <jrib> Until_It_Sleeps: ring a bell ?
[23:52] <Until_It_Sleeps> uh...
[23:52] <Until_It_Sleeps> Oh...
[23:52] <Until_It_Sleeps> Yes I do now...
[23:52] <jrib> Until_It_Sleeps: why did you do that?
[23:53] <Until_It_Sleeps> Uh, I forget >.>. It might have been a joke or something.
[23:53] <Until_It_Sleeps> thats a notice isn't it?
[23:53] <jrib> yes
[23:54] <Until_It_Sleeps> ah.
[23:54] <jrib> Until_It_Sleeps: notices to channels are usually frowned upon
[23:54] <Until_It_Sleeps> yes, I realize that now
[23:54] <jrib> Until_It_Sleeps: agree not to do that anymore?
[23:54] <Until_It_Sleeps> I won't do it anymore
[23:55] <jrib> Until_It_Sleeps: ok.  You should be able to join #ubuntu now


[00:40] <rick_h__> evening
[00:51] <cmaloney> Howdy
[01:01] <rick_h__> we having fun yet?
[01:08] <cmaloney> Um, sure. :)
[01:33] <jrwren> ugh.
[01:33] <jrwren> today was the best day of my life. Tomorrow will be even better. I just keep telling myself this.
[01:36] <rick_h__> lol
[01:36] <rick_h__> almost done bringing back CI :)
[01:37] <rick_h__> but done working on it for tonight
[01:49] <rick_h__> jrwren: how went the juju tasks?
[02:09] <jrwren> nothing works.
[02:09] <jrwren> i'm guessing it is what I get for picking azure and joyent. I wanted to use providers I'd not used before.
[02:12] <rick_h__> heh, yea. There's known bugs with azure, we were hitting them today.
[02:12] <rick_h__> I've not tried to use joyent before
[02:12] <rick_h__> jrwren: tomorrow remind me and will check on the azure bugs. I know brad hit them and had links and work arounds
[02:53] <greg-g> rick_h__: you have no CI right now?
[12:23] <jrwren> mornin
[12:24] <rick_h__> morning
[12:32] <dickweed> morning
[12:32] <dickweed> server went down it seems...
[12:33] <mrgoodcat> i really need to change my default nick
[12:36] <brousch> Hm, we just got a call from Dick's Lawn Service. The called ID is "Dicks Weed"
[12:37] <mrgoodcat> lol
[13:19] <cmaloney> Morning and all that.
[13:19] <rick_h__> wheee
[13:20] <cmaloney> Yeah,no kidding
[13:20] <cmaloney> last night was fun with the weather radio going off
[13:20] <rick_h__> hah
[13:20] <rick_h__> yea my wife woke up and asked me why my face was flashing
[13:20] <rick_h__> I told her that's lightning dear
[13:21] <cmaloney> Sure you didn't lose power and had your internal clock flashing 12:00? :)
[18:04] <mrgoodcat> taco.io expires tomorrow
[18:04] <mrgoodcat> someone should buy
[18:05] <rick_h__> woot
[18:20] <brousch> rick_h__: Is there a rick_h__-approved rear automobile bike rack?
[18:21] <rick_h__> brousch: <3 my new yakima one
[18:21] <brousch> I just realized you are our Ron Swanson
[18:21] <rick_h__> hmm, or maybe thule, at the coffee shop and bought it local so don't have it in my amz history
[18:22] <brousch> It's likely that I will be getting rid of my old minivan and getting a used prius this month
[18:23] <brousch> I used to put 3 bikes and all camping gear in my van
[18:23] <rick_h__> brousch: best thing evar! http://www.amazon.com/Yakima-RidgeBack-4-Bike-Hitch-Rack/dp/B00FUHDNRU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1404238975&sr=8-6&keywords=trailer+hitch+bike+rack
[18:23] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/awhdEa - Amazon.com : Yakima RidgeBack 4-Bike Hitch Rack : Automotive Bike Racks : Sports & Outdoors
[18:23] <rick_h__> brousch: the red handle on the bottom makes it nice and easy to get on and off
[18:23] <rick_h__> brousch: the clips are fast/easy
[18:25] <brousch> oooh, i like
[18:26] <rick_h__> brousch: yea, it's $$ but man it's so nice to be able to put it on and off in 5min without a wrench and such. And it's still lockable
[18:26] <rick_h__> and the rubber clips to lock bikes down are so fast and easy
[18:27] <rick_h__> and there's another one of me out there? I'm officially scared :) (re: a Ron Swanson)
[18:28] <cmaloney> I still have a bike rack in the box that I haven't even pulled out.
[18:28] <cmaloney> Damn thing scares me.
[18:28] <cmaloney> I don't know why.
[18:28] <rick_h__> lol
[18:28] <cmaloney> I think it was because I wanted to get an actual hitch for the caliber and use that but never made it past the Google search
[18:29] <rick_h__> yea, I had an old car I just went the uhaul route and they welded something on that got me by
[18:29] <mrgoodcat> I have a thule bike rack that i like just fine
[18:29] <mrgoodcat> make sure you get one that goes on your hitch though and doesn't touch your paint
[18:30] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Yeah, this one is all straps and what-not.
[18:31] <mrgoodcat> also you want one that can fold away from the car so you can open the tailgate
[18:33] <mrgoodcat> can't find my exact one on amazon but this one is pretty close http://www.amazon.com/Thule-956-Parkway-4-Bike-Receiver/dp/B000CQ47GU/ref=sr_1_5?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1404239527&sr=1-5
[18:33] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/bqF8wA - Amazon.com : Thule 956 Parkway 4-Bike Hitch Mount Rack (2-Inch Receiver) : Automotive Bike Racks : Sports & Outdoors
[18:33] <brousch> yakima has a lot of them that look similar. swingdaddy, fulltilt, ridgeback, fullswing, doubledown
[18:34] <brousch> http://goo.gl/KYcXhL
[18:34] <bookiebot> Yakima Racks & Carriers › Error
[18:39] <brousch> Hm, aparently the prius is not supposed to tow anything. Looks like thehitch will be going on my wife's forester
[18:39] <cmaloney> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CQ6F42/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[18:39] <rick_h__> the forester didn't come with one?
[18:39] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/HULvdB - Amazon.com : Thule 961XT Speedway 2-Bike Trunk Rack : Automotive Bike Racks : Sports & Outdoors
[18:39] <cmaloney> That's the one that I ordered.
[18:39] <cmaloney> so if anyone wants a nice rack please let me know and we can arrange something. :)
[18:40] <cmaloney> Lightly stored.
[18:41] <mrgoodcat> i prefer roof racks if hitch isn't available
[18:42] <rick_h__> roof is high up on the touareg
[18:42] <mrgoodcat> my dad keeps a roof rack on his car for 2 bikes. it's pretty handy
[18:42] <rick_h__> and blocks my view of the sky
[18:42] <mrgoodcat> it's high on my suburban and my dad's durango too
[18:42] <rick_h__> heh
[18:42] <mrgoodcat> that's the only real problem though
[18:43]  * rick_h__ tries not to have conniption at the doc that was handed to me representing 3 days of a dev's work :s
[18:45] <mrgoodcat> 5 bullet points
[18:45] <mrgoodcat> 3 of them don't even say anything useful
[20:32] <cmaloney> greg-g: Did you lose a domain?
[20:33] <greg-g> my home server, yeah
[20:34] <cmaloney> That's some sht
[21:04] <mrgoodcat> how did you lose a domain?
[21:16] <cmaloney> Microsoft did a questionable takedown with the help of a federal judge to take down all of No-Ip's domains
[21:16] <cmaloney> http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/millions-of-dymanic-dns-users-suffer-after-microsoft-seizes-no-ip-domains/
[21:16] <mrgoodcat> oh yea that
[21:16] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/sf9r5q - Millions of dynamic DNS users suffer after Microsoft seizes No-IP domains | Ars Technica
[21:17] <greg-g> that
[21:17] <greg-g> they couldn't handle the number of requests so a bunch of domains aren't working, like mine
[21:17] <mrgoodcat> sucks if you lost a domain but i haven't seen any more than clickbait buzz about it
[21:17] <greg-g> which wasn't nefarious in anyway
[21:17] <mrgoodcat> i haven't seen any real stats about the takedown
[21:17] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Um...
[21:17] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: then you aren't reading
[21:17] <greg-g> http://www.noip.com/blog/2014/06/30/ips-formal-statement-microsoft-takedown/
[21:17] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/pWdeAZ - No-IP's Formal Statement on Microsoft Takedown | No-IP Blog - Managed DNS Services
[21:17] <mrgoodcat> not what i meant
[21:18] <mrgoodcat> i know lots of people's domains aren't working
[21:18] <mrgoodcat> and that sucks
[21:18] <cmaloney> Basically they became the DNS provider for a ton of tomains
[21:18] <mrgoodcat> i meant more along the lines of what it was SUPPOSED to do. i haven't seen anything about if it actually worked
[21:18] <cmaloney> domains
[21:19] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm not sure how it was ever supposed to end well
[21:19] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: sure, the small subset of domains that were serving malware are no longer server malware, but along with that went a ton of legitimate domains
[21:19] <cmaloney> The bigger problem is Microsoft was able to, with the help of the Federal Government, take down a bunch of sites
[21:19] <greg-g> just like when a copyright notice took down millions of domains under a top domain because of a few (dozens) of bad sites
[21:20] <cmaloney> If that isn't scary I don't know what is
[21:20] <greg-g> property is no longer property online, unless it is, when we (the gov) want to charge you for criminal charges
[21:21] <mrgoodcat> wonder what law allowed microsoft to act on this
[21:21] <mrgoodcat> i could see if the government took down domains, but idk how its even possible for microsoft to do
[21:22] <greg-g> http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2014/06/30/microsoft-takes-on-global-cybercrime-epidemic-in-tenth-malware-disruption.aspx
[21:22] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/ZHkOem - Microsoft takes on global cybercrime epidemic in tenth malware disruption - The Official Microsoft Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs
[21:22] <greg-g> RTFA
[21:24] <cmaloney> "This is the third malware disruption by Microsoft since the November unveiling of the Microsoft Cybercrime Center—a center of excellence for advancing the global fight against cybercrime."
[21:25] <cmaloney> "Center [of|for] excellence" trips my doublespeak detector
[21:25] <greg-g> :)
[21:25] <cmaloney> Also would make an awesome safeword
[21:27] <cmaloney> Also, could someone please shitcan hotmail.com so we can "advance the global fight against stupidity"?
[21:27] <cmaloney> and yahoo.com email.
[21:27] <mrgoodcat> i read the article. what i meant is i wonder what mechanism is in place that allows a private organization to do this. obviously they got a court order handing over the domains but how were the domains transferred to microsoft instead of the government?
[21:28] <greg-g> sounds like you have some searching to do, mrgoodcat :)
[21:28] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: likely because they were working with Federal Investigators
[21:28] <rick_h__> heh, mrgoodcat has homework :)
[21:28] <cmaloney> eg: FBI and the like
[21:28] <rick_h__> greg-g: the librarian comes out to play
[21:28] <mrgoodcat> right i get where the authority came from
[21:29] <cmaloney> Name Server:NS7.MICROSOFTINTERNETSAFETY.NET
[21:29] <cmaloney> Name Server:NS8.MICROSOFTINTERNETSAFETY.NET
[21:29] <cmaloney> That's some shit.
[21:29] <mrgoodcat> but shouldn't the domains have been transferred to the government if anything?
[21:29] <rick_h__> dns is the great equalizer of the average person out there.
[21:30] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: why? private entities routinely play roles in govt work
[21:30] <cmaloney> What's the govt. going to do?
[21:31] <cmaloney> This is why I run my DNS with Linode
[21:31] <cmaloney> because if someone takes Linode down the Internet will revolt.
[21:31] <mrgoodcat> not sure if you're misunderstanding my questions, i'm not explaining myself properly, or you're answering the wrong questions on purpose but in any case nevermind. i obviously should have just let it go
[21:32] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: You're asking by what legal authority did these domains get transferred to Microsoft?
[21:32] <greg-g> you're asking why MS got control of the no-ip.org domains instead of the govt, right?
[21:32] <mrgoodcat> no
[21:32] <greg-g> "17:29 < mrgoodcat> but shouldn't the domains have been transferred to the government if anything?"
[21:32] <mrgoodcat> well no to cmaloney yes to greg-g
[21:33] <cmaloney> Because Microsoft is trying to fix the problem of malware spreading on the net
[21:33] <mrgoodcat> making the assumption that ANYONE should have gotten control (which i don't believe but i'm allowing for the sake of the argument)
[21:33] <cmaloney> so likely they're having the machines report that they're infected and need service.
[21:33] <cmaloney> or providing patches
[21:34] <greg-g> domains are taken all the time due to law breaking, just like assests are seized all the time
[21:34] <mrgoodcat> but assets are usually not given to private parties
[21:34] <mrgoodcat> if my neighbor steals some stuff, the feds don't give that stuff to me, they take it
[21:35] <mrgoodcat> unless i'm completely misunderstanding the legality of the situation
[21:35] <greg-g> sure they are, if the private party has been contracted by the govt to do that work
[21:35] <cmaloney> Likely it's because Microsoft is acting as contractor for fixing "cybersecurity" threads.
[21:35] <cmaloney> threats.
[21:35] <cmaloney> so they're getting the redirects.
[21:36] <greg-g> and isn't monetizing or otherwise gaining from the domains
[21:36] <cmaloney> Well, that we're aware of. :)
[21:36] <greg-g> as you would if you were just given joe schmoe's belongings (in your example)
[21:36] <cmaloney> "You''re machine is infected with malware and is running XP. For $99.99 we'll fix both with a lovely copy of Windows 8"
[21:37] <cmaloney> bah, I fail grammar.
[21:37] <mrgoodcat> lol
[21:37] <cmaloney> "Your..."
[22:07] <jrwren> wow?!? ubuntuask.com is a fake-overflow clone of askubuntu.com?
[23:21] <cmaloney> That's awesome.


[10:34] <spuffie> i am looking for a good, simple, lightweight video editor. what options are there?
[10:35] <spuffie> anybody around?
[13:47] <jeevanus> hi, In my laptop, when I hibernate and then immediately close lid, the system crash, hibernation happens only if i dont close lid, can some one help to solve it, ie, make hibernation happen even in lid closed.
[13:53] <cfhowlett> !hibernate
[13:53] <jeevanus> hi
[13:53] <cfhowlett> !suspend
[13:53] <jeevanus> cfhowlett: in terminal?
[13:54] <cfhowlett> jeevanus, no solutions found.  so ... don't close lid immediately?
[13:54] <jeevanus> :(
[13:54] <jeevanus> im trying to find something
[14:42] <mark_____> hi guys may i have some help here plz
[14:45] <mark_____> yohoooooooo
[14:54] <wachin-id> Hi to all UbuntuStudio Users and Dev
[14:54] <wachin-id> I am happy with UbuntuStudio 13.10
[14:55] <wachin-id> all working fine for my except that on this moment I put my Bluetooth iOGear and not appear. But in Ubuntu 13.04 working fine
[14:56] <mark_____> guys i want to know how to replace XFCE with Gnome desktop
[14:57] <wachin-id> mark: but why you need replace XFCE with Gnome
[14:57] <mark_____> it's more beautiful , that's it
[14:58] <zequence> mark_____: Just install it
[14:59] <wachin-id> Ohh
[14:59] <zequence> mark_____: You don't need to remove XFCE. you can have both.
[14:59] <mark_____> i used this command sudo apt-get install gnome  >> but nothing changed , i can find more apps installed only
[15:00] <zequence> mark_____: You change the Desktop Environment in the login window
[15:00] <mark_____> i will try this now , brb
[15:00] <zequence> ..when logging in
[15:00] <wachin-id> Close session mark
[15:01] <mark_____> got it , i will try this nw
[15:03] <mark_______> omg
[15:03] <mark_______> this is greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat
[15:04] <mark_______> i like it
[15:05] <mark_______> thanks for help guys
[15:11] <wachin-id> For my bluetooth problem I am reading http://askubuntu.com/questions/363401/cant-enable-bluetooth-13-10
[15:14] <zequence> wachin-id: Not sure which solution is the right one there. Might be all of them do not apply to 13.10
[15:15] <wachin-id> ok
[15:15] <wachin-id> Now I run bluetooth-wizard
[15:16] <wachin-id> I search on Synaptic the package gnome-bluetooth and found that
[15:16] <zequence> I meant to say, might be not all of them apply to 13.10, but I guess you understood anyway :)
[15:16] <wachin-id> This command open the config that appear in UbuntuStudio 13.04
[15:17] <wachin-id> when I clic on the icon that now are missing on UbuntuStudio 13.10
[15:25] <wachin-id> Zequence: Here send a Snapshot of my situation https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83295394/Bluetooth/01%20bluetooth-wizard%20funciona%20en%20UbuntuStudio%2013.10.png
[15:25] <wachin-id> working fine, only the icon are missing
[15:28] <zequence> wachin-id: We are most probably going to base our entire DE settings (except for our custom menu, and a few other things) on XFCE for next release. So, we'll be relying on that they have all of that functional
[15:36] <wachin-id> zequence: ups, but can not find my files on my phone folder
[15:37] <wachin-id> now I  go to uninstall gnome-bluetooth and install bluetooth blueman bluez-hcidump bluewho python-bluez  bluez-tools
[15:37] <wachin-id> from http://askubuntu.com/questions/363401/cant-enable-bluetooth-13-10
[15:46] <wachin> zequence I have a question, when I tried to uninstall gnome-bluetooth this said that uninstall the package gnome-user-share, what happens if I uninstall this
[15:49] <wachin> mmm. now I reading: "Removing gnome-bluetooth might break the system"
[15:49] <wachin> well, I go to install sudo apt-get install bluetooth blueman bluez-hcidump bluewho python-bluez  bluez-tools
[16:02] <wachin> ok blueman not working with nemo https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83295394/Bluetooth/03%20blueman-manager%20no%20funciona%20con%20nemo.png
[16:02] <wachin> but working with nautilus https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83295394/Bluetooth/04%20blueman-manager%20funciona%20con%20nautilus.png
[16:02] <wachin> I have access to my files
[16:06] <wachin> Good by
[16:07] <wachin> Oh, i only install blueman
[18:24] <robdog> Guys i have few questions...i am using Ubuntu Studio and i like it but i want to do a custom install how do i do that....so i can trim the fat so to say
[18:32] <GridCube> !customcd
[18:32] <GridCube> !customlivecd
[18:32] <GridCube> robdog, ^
[18:33] <robdog> thank you will look at it
[18:51] <tesla_> hi


[01:10] <skellat> And Burning Circle Episode 104 (second one this week, believe it or not) is up: http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/node/137
[16:13] <thafreak> Anyone interested in a "mid-level" linux admin job in independence?
[16:13] <thafreak> They said 2-3 years would be mid-level...2-3 years "enterprise" experience
[16:14] <thafreak> No idea on salary....
[20:43] <paultag> gilbert: ay yo hombre
[20:43] <paultag> gilbert: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/steam_<IP_ADDRESS>-1.html ← the licnese you mean to say is "Expat" :)
[20:43] <paultag> gilbert: you're also missing spaces and dot-thingeys.
[20:44] <paultag> I know you're not doing DEP5, but still :)
[20:44] <paultag> it's not MIT :)


[01:00] <GeekyAdam> hio, anyone up?
[01:03] <WiCkD1> I am but I have to go...need to go home..work time is over! :)
[01:05] <GeekyAdam> :/
[01:06] <WiCkD1> ill be back tomorrow though.
[02:20] <MutantTurkey> thank goodness for pidgen on windows
[02:21] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: doing the arch install right about now. Hopefully unetbootin still works
[03:34] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: arch doesn't seem to have a way to resize disks...
[03:34] <MobileTurkey> apparently nobody thought of that.
[03:34] <MobileTurkey> cfdisk and fdisk cannot do it
[03:34] <MobileTurkey> afaik
[03:38]  * GeekyAdam lumbers off to bed.
[03:49] <MobileTurkey> loosing faith in arch :[
[05:03] <InHisName> Happy wee mawnin' to you all !
[05:22] <pvl1> happy mornin to u too
[05:50] <jackson> morning too
[06:30] <andrew> morning
[06:30] <andrew> and g'night
[06:31] <andrew> 7am will be here too soon
[09:46] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:47] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:50] <JonathanD> hi
[09:50] <JonathanD> this doesn't look good.
[09:51] <rmg51> what doesn't look good?
[09:51] <JonathanD> Work is "down" in some way.
[09:53] <rmg51> I'm "down" today :-D
[09:53] <rmg51> I'm taking the day off
[09:54] <JonathanD> heh
[09:54] <JonathanD> SOunds good :P
[09:54] <JonathanD> Router is offline, at least.
[09:54] <JonathanD> Gonna go in now.
[09:55] <rmg51> bye
[10:29] <JonathanD> all fixed.
[10:29] <JonathanD> Power failure last night, and one switch decided it could use the extra rest.
[11:03] <rmg511> that sounds like me :-D
[12:04] <JonathanD> heh :)
[12:04] <JonathanD> So I have this broken ideapad.
[12:04] <JonathanD> someone dropped it.
[12:05] <JonathanD> I haven't really worked with an ideapad before (hardware fixage side)
[12:05] <JonathanD> It's not too shabby.
[12:05] <JonathanD> They destroyed one of the screen hinges, though.
[12:06] <JonathanD> I'm filling the gap with solder and trying to seal up the plastic, to see if it'll move well that way.
[12:11] <JonathanD> Although it has the lame shiny screen.
[14:50] <MutantTurkey> my dog thinks that he is a wolf or something
[14:50] <MutantTurkey> always howling in the mornings
[14:53] <rmg511> one morning you will find him gnawing on one of your legs :-D
[14:54] <MutantTurkey> he's a bit of a wimp, I think he may ujust be lonely
[14:55] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: I am still seeking your help with this lappy, oh wise one
[14:55] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: what up?
[14:55] <jedijf> does wise imply old
[14:55] <MutantTurkey> wise means experienced
[14:56] <MutantTurkey> basically old.
[14:58] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: what should  I do for partitioning? still at a crossroads here.
[14:58] <MutantTurkey> w7 has 3 partitions, one that is small, then a 300gig, and lenovos 10gb recovery
[15:00] <MutantTurkey> But I want W7, {debian,ubuntu}, Arch
[15:02] <jedijf> leave the 2 win alone ---resize 300 to 15/285(for arch and swap) install arch, then install ubu last-resize the arch to accomodate ubu, put ubu on empty space
[15:02] <jedijf> 15 for win7
[15:04] <MutantTurkey> Ill need like 30 for win, got to install all  of my age of empires games...
[15:04] <MutantTurkey> and kings quest! I CANT WAIT TO PLAY KINGS QUEST!!
[15:04] <MutantTurkey> I am giddy as a schoolboy.
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: remove the lenovo one?
[15:05] <jedijf> ok..but you get the gist
[15:05] <jedijf> no
[15:05] <jedijf> keep those 3
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> so I'll need to do extended partition
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> ok and then just resize the arch one at a later time
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> easy enough
[15:05] <jedijf> yes\
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> rocking
[15:06] <MutantTurkey> but wait... should I share my home directory between arch and ubuntu?
[15:06] <MutantTurkey> typically I do a /boot /root /home setup
[15:06] <jedijf> they should also have that backup procedure if not image the disk\
[15:06] <jedijf> before you start
[15:06] <MutantTurkey> they? should have that? backup procedure
[15:06] <jedijf> actually, i shrink, then image but you can do what you like
[15:07] <jedijf> uusally since they no longer ship cd's/dvd's they tell you to make a restore disk
[15:07] <jedijf> do that
[15:07] <jedijf> or shrink and image\
[15:07] <jedijf> then start
[15:09] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: you may want to do the ubu with a separate home too, just to make upgrading easier
[15:10] <MutantTurkey> well fck ubuntu I tihnk I am going with debian
[15:10] <MutantTurkey> but then I think, oh well maybe I should check out the big ubuntu circlejerk and see what it's all about
[15:11] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: annoyingly arch doesn't have a good way to resize disks, short of using ntfs-tools
[15:11] <MutantTurkey> sometimes  I wish  I had gparted
[15:11] <jedijf> use an ubuntu livecd
[15:11] <jedijf> hater
[15:13] <MutantTurkey> so do the ubuntu install first?
[15:13] <MutantTurkey> I actually keep trying to make an install disk unsing the ubuntu instructions and it keeps not booting up
[15:14] <MutantTurkey> apparently my usb isn't big enough, I only have a 1GB
[15:17] <MutantTurkey> here is my chance to install Haiku!
[15:19] <rmg511> 1GB should be big enough
[15:19] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: livecd to resize for arch ..install ubu last
[15:19] <rmg511> you need at least 700MB to make an bootable usb
[15:20] <MutantTurkey> weird using the tool they link to
[15:20] <MutantTurkey> ?
[15:20] <MutantTurkey> or how would you do it
[15:20] <rmg511> system/admin/start up creator
[15:21] <rmg511> from live cd
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> I am on windows
[15:25] <jedijf> use this http://www.imgburn.com/
[15:25] <jedijf> nm
[15:26] <jedijf> that's for cd's you want to do stick use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[15:30] <MutantTurkey> unetbooting wasn't working
[15:30] <MutantTurkey> I'll give it another spin
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> half the time unetbootin doesnt work, it's pretty sketchy
[15:37] <rmg511> there is always booting live :-/
[15:39] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: really though, the usb to ide/sata cable and a sata dvd drive should be next purchase if laptop doesn't have one inside
[15:39] <MutantTurkey> has esata
[15:40] <jedijf> does it have any optical drive?
[15:41] <MutantTurkey> nope
[15:41] <MutantTurkey> have a pcmcia slot
[16:06] <MobileTurkey> here we go
[16:06] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: got the live usb working
[16:06] <MobileTurkey> ubuntu is quite odd
[16:06] <MobileTurkey> feels very polished though
[16:41] <Joe_CoT> pleia2, happy birthday! DarkMyst told me to message you :D
[16:41] <pleia2> lol
[16:41] <pleia2> thank you :)
[17:05] <waltman> pleia2: It's your birthday? Happy Birthday!
[17:08] <pleia2> waltman: yes, 30th!
[17:09] <waltman> No way!
[17:09] <waltman> It's all downhill from here on out :)
[17:09] <pleia2> lol
[17:09] <pleia2> I thought that didn't happen until 40 :)
[17:10] <pleia2> so far the only crappy thing about 30 is I didn't qualify for the "young professionals" rate at my new fitness club place
[17:10] <waltman> pleia2: Cookie the penguin also wants to wish you a happy birthday! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wTWWjYTe1I
[17:10] <pleia2> but the membership director took pity on me and gave me a bunch of guest passes to make up for my unfortunately timed birthday :)
[17:11] <beta0x64_> Hello all
[17:11] <waltman> pleia2: make sure you watch Cookie all the way until the end
[17:11] <pleia2> I love cookie :)
[17:11] <pleia2> hi beta0x64_
[17:11] <beta0x64_> hello pleia2
[17:12] <waltman> pleia2: You'll be getting senior discounts before you know it! :)
[17:12] <pleia2> lol
[17:13] <waltman> Cookie might be the cutest little penguin EVAH
[17:13] <beta0x64_> How is Ubuntu in the Pittsburgh area? Is there support here?
[17:13] <pleia2> ssweeny is out there, in the past the Ubuntu events have mostly been teamed up with wplug.org
[17:16] <beta0x64_> good to know pleia2.
[17:16] <beta0x64_> So far, I've been a loner!
[17:17]  * ssweeny waves at beta0x64
[17:17] <ssweeny> beta0x64, whareabouts in the burgh are you?
[17:18] <beta0x64_> ssweeny: I am about 50 minutes south of Pittsburgh.
[17:18] <beta0x64_> That is, 50 minutes south assuming 0 traffic lol
[17:18] <ssweeny> beta0x64, like washington area?
[17:19] <beta0x64_> no like westmoreland
[17:19] <beta0x64_> wait, washington how?
[17:20] <beta0x64_> oh. I've never been to Washington, PA. No, down route 51. not 79
[17:20] <ssweeny> beta0x64, washington, pa is almost an hour south of pittsburgh
[17:21] <beta0x64_> I'm like between Washington and Greensburg
[17:21] <ssweeny> anyway, i think i'm the sole ubuntu rep in the greater pittsburgh area
[17:21] <beta0x64_> Well isn't that fancy?
[17:21] <ssweeny> but i work for canonical, so that has to be bonus points
[17:22] <beta0x64_> +1
[17:22] <beta0x64_> congratulations. that's really great.
[17:22] <TheEvilPhoenix> -2
[17:22] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[17:22] <ssweeny> at least until now i've been the only pittsburgh ubuntu user who knows how to use IRC :)
[17:24] <beta0x64_> Or have been bothered to use it!
[17:24] <beta0x64_> So, how do we plan world domination?
[17:24] <beta0x64_> We should start with Downtown...
[17:26] <jedijf> i like beta0x64_ spirit...army of 2
[17:27] <beta0x64_> well, we need to amass an idiot army obviously
[17:27] <jedijf> and apparently knows ssweeny
[17:27] <beta0x64_> or at least a very cheaply implemented robotic army
[17:27] <jedijf> :P
[17:28] <ssweeny> for that we can use cmu
[17:28] <ssweeny> i know some folks...
[17:28] <waltman> Huh. Here I figured that 50 minutes south of Pittsburgh was West Virginia :)
[17:29] <ssweeny> waltman, that's more like 1:10
[17:29] <ssweeny> actually about 50 minutes west of pittsburgh will also put you in WV
[17:29] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[17:29]  * TheEvilPhoenix is originally from pittsburgh
[17:30] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[17:30] <beta0x64_> I suppose it depends on how fast you drive and on which roads.
[17:30] <beta0x64_> I live along routes 51 and interstate 70
[17:30]  * waltman discovers that Pittsburgh's quite a bit further north than he thought.
[17:33] <beta0x64_> ssweeny: so, what do you do for canonical?
[17:33] <ssweeny> beta0x64, i'm on the oem services team. i customize ubuntu for hardware manufacturers to distribute on their products
[17:35] <beta0x64_> ssweeny: that's great. is that an on-site type of job? do you have to travel?
[17:36] <ssweeny> beta0x64, i mostly work from home. i travel to UDS twice a year and occasionally to our US home base in boston
[17:36] <beta0x64_> I'm impressed. which companies do you work with? local computer stores or something like asus?
[17:37] <ssweeny> the most well-known is probably dell
[17:37] <ssweeny> we have a bunch of customers in asia
[17:37] <beta0x64_> oh I see
[17:37] <beta0x64_> So you work internationally from home?
[17:37] <ssweeny> yep
[17:38] <beta0x64_> That's sweet =)
[17:40] <beta0x64_> working with canonical must be nice.
[17:42] <beta0x64_> is LPIC worth it?
[17:45] <beta0x64_> well I have to go ladies and gentlemen. believe me, I'll be back
[17:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> no you wont :P
[18:26] <WiCkD1> hello.
[18:29] <jedijf> hello WiCkD1
[18:35] <JonathanD> Battery is shot on this thing.
[18:40] <jedijf> dropping does not break battery
[18:40] <jedijf> in general
[18:49] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: doode
[18:49] <MutantTurkey> what the hall
[18:49] <MutantTurkey> ubuntu doesn't let me update because I am not in the sudoers file, and it doesn't let me set the root password at all
[18:50] <MutantTurkey> so how am I supposed to update ?
[18:50] <MutantTurkey> because no root pw so I can't use su.
[18:50] <MutantTurkey> I mean I am going to drop into a fallback shell, but I don't understand how regular users do it
[18:50] <MutantTurkey> :|
[19:09] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: user has password, that's sudo password
[19:09] <jedijf> sudo su
[19:12] <JonathanD> jedijf: I assume it was already broken.
[19:12] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: your doing it rong
[19:12] <jedijf> way rong
[19:12] <JonathanD> I'm trying to find a pinout to charge it outside the laptop, and see if it's the battery or the laptop...
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: hsudo was broken
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> dude maybe I should just install debian...
[19:13] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: you installed ubu?
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: yes.
[19:14] <jedijf> 11.04?
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> lemme pm
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> ya
[19:33] <jedijf> ga no!
[19:50] <beta0x64> MutantTurkey, you could boot into single user mode and add yourself to the sudoers file.
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> kasted: I did
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> beta0x64: i did
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> that was the first thing I did
[19:51] <beta0x64> Still not working?
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> but I was thinking about all the idiotic non linux users trying it out for the first time
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> beta0x64: they are probably hopelessly lost
[19:51] <beta0x64> they should be able to go update normally. I'm not sure why you couldn't use sudo
[19:52] <rmg511> hie nick says it all ;-)
[19:53] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: did you use the single from grub, that's pretty 'polished' now to
[19:53] <jedijf> too
[19:54] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[19:54] <MutantTurkey> nice dialog
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: how do I boot to kdm?
[19:55] <jedijf> you installed it, right?
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> wrong chat :eek:
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> yes
[19:55] <beta0x64> when you go to login
[19:55] <beta0x64> right?
[19:55] <jedijf> then after you put in user name...on the bottom you'll see session switcher
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> is that still in /etc/init.d/?
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: not kde, kdm
[19:56] <jedijf> that didn't happen automagically when you installed kde?
[19:56] <MutantTurkey> no idea... haven't rebooted yet
[19:57] <MutantTurkey> I figured you would have to switch the daemons
[19:58] <jedijf> it should happen automagically or sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm   and select kdm
[19:58] <MutantTurkey> okay
[19:58] <MutantTurkey> thanks :)
[19:58] <jedijf> logout....find the session thingy and see how easy it is to switch...prolly have ldm choice by now too
[20:07] <jedijf> guess this is the 'find that session thingy' part
[21:30] <sadin> hi everyone how you doing
[21:50] <kasted>  /whois sadin
[21:50] <JonathanD> I have no idea, whois he?
[21:50] <sadin> JonathanD you know me lol
[21:50] <JonathanD> So I do :P
[21:51] <sadin> oh JonathanD guess what
[21:51] <kasted> lol
[21:51] <JonathanD> ?
[21:52] <sadin> i decided to join the ubuntu artwork team and help they havent responded to me when i asked for any tips or anything but im going to look at one of the requested tasks thats open and take it up and design something
[21:52] <sadin> for ubuntu
[21:53] <JonathanD> oh, interesting :)
[21:53] <JonathanD> I wish I could art :)
[21:53] <sadin> lol
[21:53] <JonathanD>  o
[21:53] <JonathanD> /|\
[21:53] <JonathanD>  |
[21:53] <JonathanD> / \
[21:53] <JonathanD> My brilliant ubuntu art
[21:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> ART!
[21:54] <JonathanD> Thats a penguin.
[21:54] <sadin> yay!
[21:54] <sadin> ill see you guys mater
[21:54] <sadin> later*
[21:54]  * sadin has to leave for marching band
[21:54]  * sadin cringes
[22:22] <pvl1> hello
[22:51] <WiCkD1> hello.
[23:49] <GeekyAdam> hi