[00:47] <novaTopFlex> I am sorry, but I do not know if this is the correct IRC channel for this issue. I have attempted to run MusE from the official Ubuntu repositories on my 22.04 LTS "Jammy Jellyfish" system, but the software is invariably stuck on the screen displaying the text, "Populating Track context menu." I would like advice on how to fix this issue (I am running Ubuntu 22.04 LTS on a system with an Intel Core i5-7267U (Kaby Lake-U) CPU @
[00:47] <novaTopFlex> 3.10 GHz with both cores enabled. My system operates only on the graphics processor integrated into the CPU, if that makes any difference, and I am unsure if the instruction set available to the CPU prevents MusE from loading. I am also unsure if either my display manager, SDDM, or my window manager, JWM, are preventing MusE from launching properly, or if the indexing requires an extensive amount of time.)
[00:47] <novaTopFlex> Sorry about the confusing at symbol by the way.
[00:52] <sarnold> oo pretty https://github.com/muse-sequencer/muse/blob/master/muse.png
[00:53] <sarnold> lol, you've beat me to their issues :)
[00:55] <sarnold> novaTopFlex: try running muse from a terminal, maybe you can get more useful messages from it that way?
[01:13] <xueshengmin> ??????
[01:17] <xueshengmin> ?/
[01:17] <xueshengmin> ?
[01:17] <sarnold> xueshengmin: you have to stick around long enough for someone to reply :)
[01:17] <sarnold> xueshengmin: it also helps if you ask a useful question
[01:17] <xueshengmin> hi
[01:18] <xueshengmin> 有人在吗？
[01:18] <xueshengmin> ？
[01:21] <jdsfighter> Is there a way to setup palm rejection with Elan touchpads? I'm seeing it for synaptic, but I'm not finding much information about how how to do similar elan
[01:21] <akik> some people
[01:23] <akik> it's amazing how these translation services let you understand chinese
[01:26] <sarnold> jdsfighter: try running "xinput list-props" on your device, as shown in this first post https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=268508
[01:28] <sarnold> jdsfighter: if you've got "Disable While Typing" listed like that, try: xinput set-prop "Elan Touchpad" "Disable While Typing" 1   -- or something similar
[01:29] <jdsfighter> sarnold: I do have it, but it appears to already be set to 1. "libinput Disable While Typing Enabled (330):    1"
[01:29] <sarnold> dang :( I really hoped it was going to be that easy :(
[01:31] <jdsfighter> It's almost like it's not sensitive enough. Every time I so much as think about the trackpad, it's shifted its focus over to another window. It's VERY sensitive. And I like to rest my hands right next to the trackpad :c
[01:33] <sarnold> I've always had the impression that the linux userland code just pokes a configuration for it -- and the hardware device is responsible for implementing it
[01:33] <sarnold> if i"m right, it means you don't have a whole lot of choice :(
[01:34] <jdsfighter> That's unfortunate! Guess it'll be easier to adjust my hand position than write a driver
[01:34] <rbox> keyboard layout/touchpad position is always #1 on my list when looking for a laptop
[01:35] <jdsfighter> This 2023 Lenovo Legion 5 Pro was just on too good a sale to pass up. 24 core i9, RTX 4070, 32gb ram < $1600 USD. Unfortunately it mean leaving a very well supported ~10 year old asus
[01:36] <rbox> it takes me weeks and many trips to stores to pick somethign
[01:36] <sarnold> jdsfighter: wow that does sound like a pretty good deal :)
[01:38] <jdsfighter> sarnold: Lenovo 16" Legion Pro 5i 16IRX8 on bhphotovideo to be precise. It's still fairly bleeding edge, but I've been quite happy in the last ~4 days I've had it
[01:46] <sarnold> jdsfighter: nice nice :) I hope you can find a good way to deal witht he touchpad :(
[03:19] <abbott> toes = yum
[04:55] <adminmaster> wow
[04:59] <adminmaster> Liunx bug terminer cd ../  <<  adminmaster root ....
[05:00] <adminmaster> ls
[10:35] <cawx> I'm trying to 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade' WSL 20.4, but it says repo no longer has a release file. --allow-unauthenticated doesn't seem to help. Unsure what to put in /etc/apt/sources.list either. Any tips? https://pastebin.com/Wi3FQ4j3
[10:38] <noob23122> hello everyone, does anyone know if ufw firewall is able to close idle connections and where to set that up?
[10:42] <itai> is there a way of tuning ubuntu for a apecific laptop, architecture? I have had some glitches after installing it on my new pc.
[10:45] <weedmic> itai: do you mean beyond setting a master up perfectly and cloning it to other machines and then changing their host names?
[10:49] <itai> weedmic: how do you mean?
[11:03] <davegarath> Hi all, someone use steam with proton ? I'm trying to run a game but I have some problems
[11:05] <weedmic> itai: what do you mean by "way of tuning ubuntu for a apecific laptop, architecture"?
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:21] <jpe> is there a specific channel for lxd?
[11:26] <weedmic> under f5 (channel list) in konversation, I saw #lxd with 44 users in there right now.
[11:26] <weedmic> jpe: ^
[11:27] <jpe> ok thanks
[11:54] <itai> weedmic: I thought that after installing ubuntu, some work that can be done to make it faster. reconfiguring the kernel, etc...
[11:55] <itai> getting proper drivers.
[12:28] <EdwardIII> can anyone link me some up to date info on how to stop (i guess gnome?) stealing my bluetooth headphones connection? only seems to happen with ubuntu, other devices don't seem to do it. when i search i find stuff like this from 2015, so not sure if it's still relevant today: https://askubuntu.com/questions/605878/how-to-prevent-a-bluetooth-headset-to-autoconnect-without-disabling-bluetooth
[12:52] <infpool05> :)
[13:42] <ApostleInTriumph> Hello! I've upgraded to 22.04 LTS and since then, I am unable to install Slack. I tried via snap and apt. Both doesn't work. Neither trying to start the app from terminal. Can someone help figure what's going on? Restart didn't help either. When I try from terminal, however, I get this error, `mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/run/user/0’:
[13:42] <ApostleInTriumph> Permission denied`
[14:35] <ogra> ApostleInTriumph, are you trying to run slack as root ? /run/user/0 kind of indicates that ... dont ever try to run graphical applications as root ...
[14:36] <ApostleInTriumph> Ah yes, it was from sudo su -
[14:36] <leftyfb> ApostleInTriumph: don't do that
[16:31]  * zeroadrenaline is away: auto-away
[16:39] <lexandrop> Hi. Kubuntu LTS user here. What's the point of using non-LTS kernels in LTS ubuntu releases? I'm on 22.04.3 now and my kernel version is 6.2.0 . Previously I had 5.19.0, and before (AFAIR) 5.17.something . I do understand that ubuntu developers make these kernels "LTS" on their own, but why don't they just use "officially LTS" kernel versions?
[16:40] <lexandrop> I even tried to google it, but couldn't find any solid reasons in the top results.
[16:41] <oerheks> lexandrop,  we recently switched to 6.2, for LTS.
[16:41] <leftyfb> lexandrop: maybe ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[16:41] <lexandrop> oerheks: but, according to https://kernel.org/ , 6.1 is LTS, not 6.2
[16:41] <oerheks> start with Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS
[16:42] <oerheks>  Linux kernel 6.2 isn’t the most recent kernel release it’s newer than the GA kernel
[16:43] <hggdh> because 6.2 is a newer kernel, and it is offered to 22.04 (part of what is called "hardware enablement"). The Ubuntu kernel team will support it
[16:44] <oerheks> jups !hwe
[16:44] <oerheks> !hwe
[16:50] <lexandrop> ok, it seems like they just take the latest stable kernel version available at the beginning of new ubuntu version development, and continue supporting it. Kernel 5.17 was available when Ubuntu 22.04 was released, 5.19 - 22.04.1, 6.2 - 22.04.2
[16:50] <lexandrop> still a bit questionable approach in my own opinion, but at least it makes sense now :) thank you for your replies
[16:51] <oerheks> have fun!
[16:52] <maarten-laptop> Hello, I installed ubuntu cinnamon. Why is gnome installed? Can I remove it?
[16:52] <lexandrop> btw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases page doesn't mention anything about 22.04.3 yet. I'm to lazy to register there on my own, but I do recall mentioning the similar thing once in the past, and someone added the info :)
[16:54] <oerheks> lexandrop,  time to do a apt dist-upgrade
[17:02] <jhutchins> maarten-laptop: Why not just leave gnome alone for now.  You can always remove it later when you're more familiar with why it might be there.
[17:02] <jhutchins> !cinnamon
[17:02] <maarten-laptop> jhutchins: it's quite rude to assume you know anything about me from one sentence
[17:03] <oerheks> adding a desktop is no problem, removing one is interesting
[17:03] <oerheks> start all over if it fails? https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntucinnamon/releases/lunar/release/
[17:04] <coconut> maarten-laptop, there is no irc support for cinnamon here at Libera server. There is on irc.spotchat.org however.
[17:05] <maarten-laptop> coconut: do you meant #linuxmint-help? Is there a specific one for ubuntu cinnamon?
[17:05] <oerheks> coconut, we do support cinnamon
[17:05] <coconut> oh ok
[17:05] <oerheks> just not a dedicated channel, that is all
[17:05] <jhutchins> coconut: The base OS on all of the flavors is the same and is supported here.
[17:10] <coconut> maarten-laptop, yes i was thinking that channel indeed since i was reading this website: https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/12
[17:10] <coconut> but there seems support here, so i have not said...
[17:10] <ravage> [..] In the Ubuntu Technical Board meeting over IRC on March 28, 2023, Ubuntu Cinnamon was officially deemed a flavor by Ubuntu
[17:12] <coconut> ...that's not even lang ago i see
[17:13] <oerheks> it has its own iso too
[17:13] <maarten-laptop> I didn´t spot that it was that recently, perhaps that's why it's a bit of a mess.
[17:14] <maarten-laptop> As in some windows don´t have a close button but require closing using the context menu.
[17:14] <oerheks> alt + F4 is magic
[17:15] <maarten-laptop> Or well maybe it's minor stuff, but it would be nice if there were an official chat to ask whether these are known issues
[17:16] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cinnamon/+bugs?orderby=-datecreated&start=0 .. not that much
[17:22] <maarten-laptop> oerheks and also ask why gnome is installed as according to wikipedia cinnamon doesn´t use gnome at all.
[17:22] <oerheks> did you use the ' ubuntu' iso and put cinnamon on it?
[17:23] <oerheks> then you have gnome3+cinnamon
[17:23] <maarten-laptop> I used the official ubuntu cinnamon iso
[17:23] <maarten-laptop> https://ubuntucinnamon.org/
[17:23] <oerheks> weird, did not test it myself, but sound awkward
[17:24] <maarten-laptop> there's also the gnome store and gnome default apps such as gedit instead of xed
[17:24] <maarten-laptop> though it does come with nemo so that does work
[17:24] <ravage> installing from ubuntucinnamon-22.04.2-amd64.iso right now
[17:24] <oerheks> https://ubuntucinnamon.org/ is not ubuntu??
[17:25] <maarten-laptop> oerheks if you go to the ubuntu website and look at official flavors it redirects you to that site
[17:26] <oerheks> hmmm, https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntu-cinnamon-remix/files/latest/download >> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntucinnamon/releases/lunar/release/
[17:27] <oerheks> i would not use sourceforge
[17:27] <oerheks> remix sounds like a mint people project to me..
[17:27] <oerheks> yes you are right, the flavors page point to https://ubuntucinnamon.org/ ....
[17:27] <oerheks> but the download, weird
[17:28] <oerheks> and sourceforge stopped after 22.10
[17:28] <maarten-laptop> oerheks https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours
[17:28] <oerheks> time to file a bug report, this is not clear
[17:29] <maarten-laptop> oerheks so instead I should reinstall from https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntucinnamon/releases/lunar/release/ ?
[17:30] <oerheks> maarten-laptop, yes please.
[17:30] <maarten-laptop> My system hasn´t automatically updated to 23.04 even after running apt upgrade
[17:30] <oerheks> lunar is 23.04, one could get the lts version too
[17:30] <ravage> from what i see from the 22.04 release it just uses parts of the original Ubuntu tools
[17:30] <ravage> like the software center and some basic tools
[17:31] <ravage> there is no full gnome desktop installation
[17:32] <oerheks> so the remix <> cinnamon iso are different?
[17:32] <ravage> no
[17:33] <ravage> both names somehow are still valid
[17:33] <ravage> the official new name is "Ubuntu Cinnamon"
[17:33] <oerheks> as of 23.04?
[17:33] <maarten-laptop> ravage the 22.04 version I installed has 3 GUI apps for installing software by default.. GNOME Software, Software Updater and Synaptic Package Manager
[17:33] <oerheks> oh oke solved
[17:34] <ravage> yes. not sure why synaptic is there
[17:35] <oerheks> i like synaptic, despite there are no snaps listed
[17:35] <ravage> snap is present btw :)
[17:37] <maarten-laptop> ravage yes that too, but I assume that's because I pressed install additional apps during install
[17:37] <ravage> and so far i dont see any problems with closing windows
[17:37] <maarten-laptop> synaptic is an app that normally comes with linuxmint afaik thus that's the only one that makes sense I think
[17:38] <maarten-laptop> ravage try to install hexchat for example
[17:38] <maarten-laptop> ravage the channel list window doesn´t have a close button
[17:39] <oerheks> that would be a bug.
[17:39] <oerheks> !bug
[17:39] <maarten-laptop> or without installing anything.. shotwell -> edit -> preferences
[17:40] <ravage> yep no close button on hexchat
[17:40] <ravage> ESC works find at least
[17:42] <ravage> also alt+f4 and right click -> close work
[18:01] <bombastick> Can someone explain to me how Ubuntu packages are updated? I'm on 22.04. The package 'ranger' from Universe crashes when run in a directory with a YAML file in it. Upstream fixed it in Nov 2022 https://github.com/ranger/ranger/issues/2752 , however it doesn't seem to have made its way to Ubuntu LTS. Does this mean it's because no maintainer made the effort to patch it? Or are there policies
[18:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 2752 in ranger/ranger "Ranger crash for YAML files - Color number is greater than COLORS-1 (7)" [Closed]
[18:01] <bombastick> preventing it?
[18:03] <bombastick> I see ,there are policies in place preventing it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[18:03] <cbreak> bombastick: it might be from debian somehow... LTS versions, and ubuntu in general, won't update major versions for most packages
[18:03] <cbreak> but you can get ranger from source, that's what I did
[18:03] <bombastick> that's what I will do too
[18:04] <cbreak> you could also use pip I suppose, but... git seems better
[18:04] <bombastick> git?
[18:04] <bombastick> ah, you mean building from source
[18:04] <cbreak> git@github.com:ranger/ranger.git
[18:04] <cbreak> well, "building", yes
[18:04] <cbreak> it's python, so I think it's mostly copying stuff
[18:04] <bombastick> I prefer having a static binary to put in /usr/local/bin, if possible. I'll see what releases ranger has.
[18:04] <bombastick> or build from source
[18:05] <cbreak> if you clone the repo, you should be able to run `sudo make install` to get a ranger binary in /usr/local/bin
[18:06] <cbreak> (well... it's a python text file as usual)
[18:07] <bombastick> oh you're right, it's just a python file I can copy there
[18:08] <cbreak> (you'll need more than just that file, but the sudo make install part should take care of that)
[18:11] <bombastick> it's still crashing, I didnt realize the tag 1.9.3 was from 2019. How does one undo make install?
[18:11] <bombastick> I'll install from master
[18:12] <bombastick> ok, all good. there's no make uninstall but I just reran install.
[18:14] <bombastick> I forgot what I was doing before I got sidetracked by this :/
[18:40] <magga> for some reason i cant connect my airpods anymore with bluetooth. has worked for a long time
[18:40] <magga> Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed br-connection-page-timeout
[19:02] <mihon> I have a problem regarding permissions, i ran a docker command and after that it is all screwed up. I am in bash all the time. I can't even cd and when i try it says user: Permission denied. HOw do i fix this?
[20:22] <Sharp> hello
[21:26] <jhutchins> !ping
[21:26] <jhutchins> !botsnack
[21:49] <ray_> whats the best way to get a - creative sound card to work - thanks.
[21:56] <jhutchins> ray: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[21:57] <ray_> i installed a creative sound card - pulse sees the card - no audio output.
[21:57] <jhutchins> ray_: Did you check all of the outputs?
[21:58] <ray_> yes - alsamixer i changed to creative - as all other settings - they see the card - no output
[21:59] <jhutchins> ray_: This is a bit old but might help: ALSA Checklist:
[21:59] <jhutchins> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again)  2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available)  3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped?  4) speakers on?  5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?  6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist.
[22:00] <ray_> ok - will read -  thanks jhutchins
[22:01] <ray_> ill give it a shot.
[22:01] <jhutchins> ray_: Also I was suggesting you check all of the physical outputs.
[23:01] <cores> some time between last night (usa eastern time) and a few hours ago my laptop powered off and i'm trying to figure out why. Ubuntu 20.04 on Dell XPS 13 w/ no extra power managment tweeks.
[23:01] <cores> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MGQBwyksSf/
[23:01] <cores> it looks like it just decided to shutdown on its own like it was supposed to do that
[23:03] <cores> but as best i can remember, i left everything running: desktop, firefox, terminals
[23:57] <guiverc> I'm betting I hit a random key & made my menu bar disappear from my hexchat IRC client... Anyone know the correct key I should hit to return my menu bar to viewable?   (23.04 currently)


[01:57] <jbicha> yay, mozjs38 is fixed
[06:15] <jamie_1> hey odd question, when cononical changed the naming method for wifi from wlan0 to like wlp2s0 did they also change the method for naming the bluetooth interface?
[06:16] <jamie_1> right now im working on getting a program back up and running that the last working release was for 12.04, i want to make sure that when i'm fixing it up and getting it working on current (16.04, 16.10 and 17.04) that i dont need to go through and correct that
[11:52] <jbicha> ricotz: instead of using the published spidermonkey 38.2, Fedora's mozjs38 is using the final Firefox 38.8.0 ESR source
[11:53] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/arch/+sourcepub/7495171/+listing-archive-extra
[11:54] <jbicha> it seems to work, but it takes a very long time for my packaging tools to work with the Firefox (and LibreOffice) sources
[12:07] <ricotz> jbicha, absolutely reasonable to do so, although the tarball is quite huge and for sure contains unused code and even binary-code
[12:07] <ricotz> yeah, those source package are something
[12:08] <ricotz> working on them in a tmpfs is bearable though
[12:08] <jbicha> ok, I'll push it to zesty, a few hours from now when debuild finishes :(
[12:08] <ricotz> jbicha, is the currently mozjs38 library package properly stripped?
[12:08] <jbicha> what do you mean?
[12:09] <ricotz> they are quite huge
[12:09] <ricotz> libmozjs-38-0 like 90M installed
[12:11] <ricotz> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 88469816 Feb 17 23:59 libmozjs-38.so.0.0.0
[12:11] <ricotz> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7430848 Feb 18 13:11 libmozjs-38.so.0.0.0
[12:11] <ricotz> ^ after stripping it
[12:11] <jbicha> oh, I dropped the dh_strip lines https://launchpadlibrarian.net/306906191/mozjs38_38.2.1~rc0-0ubuntu1_38.2.1~rc0-0ubuntu3.diff.gz
[12:13] <jbicha> because I thought that was supposed to work automatically now https://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticDebugPackages
[12:15] <jbicha> or maybe it could be one of those crazy options I borrowed from Fedora without knowing what they do
[12:51] <jbicha> ok, it looks like I just need to add the dh_strip lines back with --dbgsym-migration to get the file size back down
[12:51] <jbicha> ricotz: can you send me instructions for now you use tmpfs to work with these sources?
[12:55] <ricotz> jbicha, I simply create a folder and mount it as tmpfs and doing everything inside it
[12:55] <ricotz> no magic here
[12:56] <jbicha> I wonder if I can create the .dsc and .source_changes manually
[12:56] <ricotz> dpkg-buildpackages -S -sa is also faster than debuild -S -sa
[12:57] <ricotz> I guess you want to skip the whole source comparing and repack-checking?
[12:58] <jbicha> I was using debuild -S yes
[15:25] <jbicha> ooh, new idea, I could use Files-Excluded in d/copyright to have a smaller orig tarball when uscan runs
[15:52] <ricotz> jbicha, jfyi https://launchpad.net/zeitgeist/0.9/1.0
[15:52] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/zeitgeist/0.9/1.0/+download/zeitgeist-1.0.tar.xz
[16:09] <jbicha> did you want to do the packaging for that update too?
[16:17] <jbicha> it's not designed to remove this many files!
[16:17] <jbicha> Can't exec "tar": Argument list too long at /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/IPC.pm line 308. mk-origtargz: error: unable to execute tar --delete
[16:19] <ricotz> jbicha, sorry, no
[16:19] <ricotz> if possible I need to spend time on other things
[16:24] <jbicha> mk-origtargz told me "sorry, no" too! ;)
[16:33] <ricotz> jbicha, was there any action about moving gjs to mozjs45?
[16:34] <jbicha> yes: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/distributor-list/2017-February/msg00004.html
[16:34] <ricotz> which will be superseded by 52 in 2 weeks already too
[16:34] <jbicha> for 3.24 gns was ported from mozjs24 (through 31) to mozjs38
[16:35] <jbicha> *gjs*
[16:35] <jbicha> for 3.26 the goal is at least mozjs45 but trying for mozjs52 too
[16:35] <ricotz> ok


[11:21] <asac_> persia: so how do we apply for a package set?
[11:22] <asac_> persia: for moz + browsers
[11:22] <asac_> NCommander: in case you replied i might have missed it ;)
[11:23] <asac_> NCommander: i have the soname changes done here .. just got stuck because the bmm_test failed - if you say thats normal i can just push it to the ppa
[11:23] <asac_> NCommander: oh also ... what package depends on libbmm.so? you said there was one that had a blog so even reference that lib - which one was that?
[14:41] <persia`> asac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation : basically define the package set, define the initial uploaders, and apply to the TB.
[14:48] <asac> persia`: the set would be mozillateam
[14:50] <persia`> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozillateam gives me an error.  What's the team name?
[18:36] <asac> persia`: "mozillateam" ;)
[18:36] <asac> like i said
[18:36] <asac> we can also make a -uploaders for the two/three that are in there that usually dont do uploads


[00:40] <Tardelo> Hola buenas tardes o noches
[00:57] <beuno> temposs, hey hey, I'm reading ahead all the candidate applications, and you don't seem to have any testimonials
[00:57] <beuno> do you happen to have any members of the community that have worked with you around?
[00:58] <temposs> hi bueno
[00:59] <temposs> hmm, I didn't do that, no
[01:01] <C3s4r> Hi all.
[01:01] <j_baer> Checking In!
[01:01] <beuno> temposs, that's fine, just wanted to give you some early warning
[01:02] <beuno> we're almost ready to start!
[01:02] <temposs> oh, it seemed like an optional bit
[01:02] <beuno> it is, it's just a big boost  :)
[01:02] <temposs> oh
[01:03] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[01:03] <pleia2> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for August 19th The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[01:03] <pleia2> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[01:04] <pleia2> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[01:04] <pleia2> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[01:04] <pleia2> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[01:04] <pleia2> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[01:05] <pleia2> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[01:05] <pleia2> [TOPIC] C3s4r membership
[01:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  C3s4r membership
[01:05] <C3s4r> Hi all
[01:05] <C3s4r> First of all, sorry for my bad writing into English.
[01:06] <C3s4r> I hope to meet the expectations for membership in the ubuntu project.
[01:06] <C3s4r> I have since 2006 supporting the project LoCoTeams Ubuntu and Ubuntu-ve since then I have been promoting a national level with the various projects I've made since then.
[01:07] <C3s4r> Since 2006 part of several organizations for the development of Free Software events nationwide (Venezuela), bringing in those oportundades to Richard Stallman, just as local events and facilities to develop OS Ubuntu.
[01:08] <C3s4r> I am currently Coordinator of the Academy of Free Software Regional Zulia, and we provided various web services, dns, mail, everything under the SO Ubuntu Server. Similarly, I have participated and still participating in the Free Software migration at national level with the current support of a presidential decree requiring all public institutions to migrate to SL in which I am leader of migration in Fundacite Zulia. http://www.fundacite-zulia.gob.ve.
[01:08] <C3s4r> My link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CesarSevilla and https://launchpad.net/~c3s4r
[01:08] <maco> C3s4r: no need to apologise for your english :)
[01:08] <pleia2> wow, tons of event work :)
[01:08] <beuno> C3s4r, si, I've seen you around more than a few times
[01:08] <beuno> I'm curious, what's been driving you to be so involved these past 5 years?
[01:08] <C3s4r> beuno, thank's
[01:10] <C3s4r> One of the things was to find the opportunity to enjoy the freedom to implement any technical changes in the OS, especially in Ubuntu.
[01:11] <beuno> C3s4r, I have one more question for you. What do you feel needs improving in Ubuntu?
[01:11] <C3s4r> Also, Ubuntu gave me a chance to meet many, many projects and above all the opportunity to apply the type of work they do as a team
[01:13] <maco> C3s4r: what took you so long to apply?
[01:13] <C3s4r> Assist in the development of free software drivers. Disseminate additional packaging methods.
[01:13] <pleia2> [VOTE] C3s4r membership
[01:13] <MootBot> Please vote on:  C3s4r membership.
[01:13] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:13] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[01:13] <pleia2> +1
[01:13] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:13] <maco> +1
[01:13] <MootBot> +1 received from maco. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:14] <nhandler> +1
[01:14] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:14] <dinda> give me one second to catch up
[01:14] <C3s4r> pleia2, For fear of not knowing how to write or speak English.
[01:15] <dinda> +1
[01:15] <MootBot> +1 received from dinda. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:15] <beuno> +1
[01:15] <MootBot> +1 received from beuno. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[01:15] <pleia2> [endvote]
[01:15] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[01:15] <pleia2> congrats and welcome, C3s4r! :)
[01:15] <C3s4r> :D
[01:15] <C3s4r> thank's all
[01:15] <temposs> ooo very impressive C3s4r :-)
[01:15] <nhandler> Congratulations C3s4r !
[01:16] <temposs> you are a very good contributor, I think
[01:16] <pleia2> j_baer: you here?
[01:16] <C3s4r> nhandler, and try to do better every day.
[01:16] <j_baer> Hello everyone
[01:16] <pleia2> [TOPIC] j_baer membership
[01:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  j_baer membership
[01:17] <j_baer> I've been a user and contributor to ubuntu for many years.
[01:17] <maco> wait have all of today's people been using ubuntu longer than me and contributing longer too? O_o
[01:18] <j_baer> Don't  know :)
[01:18] <j_baer> My interest is in the area of usability and I am a long term member of the art team and others.
[01:19] <j_baer> A summary of activity can be seen at my wiki page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBaer
[01:20] <nhandler> Wow, lots of great themes and the countdown banners were great
[01:20] <dinda> agreed, lots of great work
[01:20] <j_baer> Current activity now is author of the Impression GTK Theme: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/impression-gtk-themes-get-radical.html
[01:21] <j_baer> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Maverick/ImpressionGtkThemes
[01:21] <j_baer> I also blog about ubuntu here: http://www.projblog.com/
[01:22]  * nhandler would enjoy seeing those types of posts on the Planet
[01:22] <j_baer> In other activities I have also contributed to MoinMoin ... :)
[01:22] <beuno> j_baer, what drives you to contribute artwork?
[01:23] <j_baer> Bringing the best user experience is a major driver for me. IMO Ubuntu leads in this area.
[01:23] <pleia2> yeah, we're fortunate to have attracted a lot of great artists like yourself
[01:23]  * pleia2 can draw stick figures, barely
[01:24] <nhandler> j_baer: You mentioned usability, what specific area are you interested in?
[01:24] <beuno> having the same passion as you, together with all your great work, I am ready to vote  :)
[01:24] <j_baer> Well you know art is in the eyes of the beholder :)
[01:28] <nhandler> j_baer: See my question please
[01:29] <j_baer> Sorry ...  Most of my work has been with GTK and how it guides and assists users of the desktop.
[01:29] <j_baer> With the many changes at hand I am impressed by the fact folks are asking how will that work and does it add value.
[01:30] <pleia2> [VOTE] j_baer membership
[01:30] <MootBot> Please vote on:  j_baer membership.
[01:30] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:30] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[01:30] <pleia2> +1
[01:30] <j_baer> This release has been very active.
[01:30] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:30] <maco> +1
[01:30] <MootBot> +1 received from maco. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:30] <nhandler> j_baer: Can you also please identify with nickserv (as a formality): /msg nickserv help identify
[01:31] <beuno> +1
[01:31] <MootBot> +1 received from beuno. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:32] <j_baer> Sorry, I may need some help here :( Is the syntax /msg ubuntu-meeting help identify ?
[01:33] <beuno> j_baer, /msg nickserv identify YOURPASSWORD
[01:33] <IdleOne> /msg nickserv identify yourpass
[01:34] <j_baer>  /msg nickserv help identify hollycombs
[01:34] <maco> time to change that password?
[01:34] <IdleOne> j_baer: ok type this /msg nickserv identify hollycombs
[01:35] <IdleOne> then we will get your pass changed
[01:35] <IdleOne> :)
[01:36] <j_baer> Darn - I rather liked it. :)
[01:36] <nhandler> +1
[01:36] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:36] <pleia2> [endvote]
[01:36] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[01:36] <pleia2> congrats and welcome j_baer :)
[01:36] <nhandler> Great work j_baer
[01:36] <j_baer> Thanks everyone ...
[01:37] <beuno> j_baer, \o/  welcome
[01:37] <pleia2> ok, looks like temposs fell off
[01:37] <pleia2> cnd, are you here?
[01:37] <beuno> I'm thrilled your on board
[01:37] <beuno> j_baer, be sure to add your blog to the ubuntu planet ASAP!
[01:37] <j_baer> Will do ...
[01:37] <IdleOne> j_baer: congrats!
[01:37] <andrew__> this is temposs
[01:38] <andrew__> I'm sorry, X-Chat crashed just now
[01:38] <beuno> j_baer, and if you can get a few clones of yourself, the community will benefit quite a bit, so look into that as well please  :)
[01:38] <pleia2> andrew__: can you change your nick and identify w/ nickserv, please?
[01:38] <pleia2> [TOPIC] temposs membership
[01:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  temposs membership
[01:38] <andrew__> please hold on a second for that
[01:40] <andrew__> I think temposs didn't get logged out
[01:40] <pleia2> it did, just /nick temposs
[01:40] <temposs> sorry
[01:40] <temposs> haven't used X-Chat before, really
[01:41] <temposs> am I adequately identified?
[01:41] <pleia2> ok, please go ahead and introduce yourself and link to your pages, if anyone is here to give testimonals they can speak up at any time :)
[01:41] <nhandler> Yep
[01:41] <temposs> thank you
[01:42] <temposs> I have been a user an contributor to the Ubuntu community since 2006
[01:42] <temposs> *and
[01:42] <temposs> My primary focus points in my contribution have been 1) helping new users of Ubuntu
[01:43] <temposs> and 2) contributing to desktop apps that make Ubuntu more robust
[01:44] <temposs> I have more than 1000 posts on the forums, primarily in the Absolute Beginners Area
[01:44] <temposs> In that arena I have done things such as packaging a Lexmark driver for Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/LexmarkPrinters
[01:45] <beuno> temposs, has that package been uploaded to the repos?
[01:45] <temposs> (the Lexmark Z600)
[01:45] <temposs> no, I have not gotten around to that
[01:46] <nhandler> temposs: I see your wiki focuses on bugs reported and bugs fixed. Any bug triaging work?
[01:46] <maco> do you need a sponsor?
[01:46] <maco> nhandler and I can both sponsor packages
[01:46] <maco> if that's all that's stopping you
[01:47] <temposs> nhandler: I have done some bug triaging in network manager and deja-dup and wine, among others
[01:47] <nhandler> temposs: Any plans to apply to Bug Control in the future ?
[01:48] <temposs> maco: yeah, I also need to check that the package works in the current version of Ubuntu
[01:48] <temposs> maco: I don't actually have this printer...I developed it completely based on user feedback
[01:48] <maco> temposs: join #ubuntu-packaging after the meeting if you need help sorting out setting up pbuilder and such
[01:49] <beuno> temposs, any LoCo involvement?
[01:49] <nhandler> I see you are part of the IL LoCo team on LP. What part of IL are you in?
[01:49] <temposs> nhandler: I do not know what Bug Control is, but I am happy to apply to any kind of group like that
[01:49] <temposs> maco: I will do that
[01:50] <nhandler> temposs: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol They help triage bugs for Ubuntu
[01:50] <maco> temposs: Bug Control is the group that can do things like set importance or mark a bug as triaged. its a step beyond Bug Squad
[01:50]  * nhandler notes the bug squad also have a mentoring program to help train people
[01:50] <temposs> bueno: there is no LoCo around here, but I have been involved with the LuG at the university
[01:50] <nhandler> temposs: What university?
[01:50]  * nhandler is from IL
[01:50] <temposs> University of Illinois- Urbana Champaign
[01:51] <pleia2> temposs: you've done some great work over the years, but I'd really like to see you join bug control, work toward getting your package uploaded, and get some testimonials from folks you work with, really just get involved with teams and the wider community a bit more :)
[01:51] <nhandler> temposs: Ah, yeah. A bit far from the Chicago LoCo, but definitely some good Ubuntu-folks down there. Stop by #ubuntu-chicago sometime though ;)
[01:51] <dinda> temposs:  could you maybe get some more testimonials from the forums area?
[01:51] <dinda> it looks like you've done some good work over there
[01:52] <temposs> there is one person I keep in contact with who I helped significantly, but he's not online currently
[01:52] <temposs> Also, the deja-dup package I contribute to most is maintained by a Canonical employee
[01:53] <temposs> he already wrote me a letter of recommendation for Peace Corps
[01:53] <temposs> but I don't have access to that text
[01:53] <temposs> ...
[01:53] <temposs> I thought the testimonial was optional
[01:53] <dinda> temposs: it helps show your invovlement
[01:53] <temposs> and especially since I have much of my interaction with other community members/users documented on the forums and launchpad
[01:56] <dinda> temposs: there is a foaf system, friend of a friend system, that helps us understand your overall involvement. . .
[01:57] <dinda> so testimonials widen your friend circle and most likely overlap with our circles. . .
[01:57] <pleia2> temposs: testimonials don't need to come from members or anyone official, just folks who know your work on the forums, perhaps ones you've worked with on deja dup or other projects you've triaged with
[01:58] <temposs> I think this should be documented more completely in the membership instructions...
[01:58] <nhandler> Wasn't one of the pages just updated about that? /me goes to check
[01:58] <beuno> temposs, so it looks like you've contributed quite a bit to the project, great job. I think you're a few inches away from being at the right stage, but I feel you need to get involved with more of the community, teams and processes
[01:58] <temposs> what I saw is: If there are recognized members of the Ubuntu community supporting you at the meeting, this will definitely speed up the process of approving you. If your "sponsors" can't attend the relevant meeting, ask them to leave a testimonial on your wiki page about your contributions.
[01:58] <temposs> Note: They do not need to be Ubuntu Members, just a part of the community, even your local community. Testimonials in languages other than English are fine. Some members of boards are multilingual, and if not, they can use a translation tool.
[01:59] <pleia2> beuno: I agree
[01:59] <nhandler> " It is important that members demonstrate the ability to interact with others, so detailed endorsements from others are important criteria that are evaluated during your application, because they give better insight into specific parts of the community. Testimonials from members of various parts of the community are appreciated, even if they're not Ubuntu members themselves."
[02:01] <pleia2> temposs: can you gather some testimonials and perhaps work toward getting the package included and joining bug control? you're welcome to come back in a month or two and have us re-evaluate your application :)
[02:01] <maco> I'm kind of put off by you making a package and not trying to get it into the repos to benefit more users :-/  Would be nice to work more closely with the Ubuntu Dev team
[02:03] <temposs> pleia2: I can do that
[02:03] <nhandler> temposs: If you need help, please do not hesitate to ask. I know we would all be willing to help point you in the right direction
[02:03] <pleia2> temposs: great, keep up the good work, hope to see you again soon!
[02:04] <temposs> ok, thanks for the suggestions :-)
[02:04] <pleia2> ok, last call for cnd
[02:04] <maco> who's already a member anyway :P
[02:04] <pleia2> yeah, via -dev
[02:04] <pleia2> nhandler: sending an email?
[02:05] <nhandler> pleia2: Yep.
[02:05] <pleia2> ok, I think we can wrap this meeting up then!
[02:05] <pleia2> thanks for coming everyone
[02:05] <nhandler> Great meeting everyone. Congrats to the new members
[02:05] <dinda> thanks all, congrats
[02:05] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:05] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 20:05.
[13:27] <samoangunner> hello
[13:27] <samoangunner> is there a Ubuntu server help chat?
[13:34] <JFo> samoangunner, I believe there is an #ubuntu-server channel that could help
[13:34] <JFo> yep, I just checked
[15:57]  * marjo waves
[15:57]  * skat_ waves back to marjo
[15:57] <ogra> moop
[15:59]  * sistpoty|work waves
[16:00]  * robbiew sits down in the back
[16:00] <robbiew> :)
[16:00] <skat_> :)
[16:00] <robbiew> and notices he has some unfinished action items...bah!
[16:00] <Riddell> hi
[16:00] <seb128> hi
[16:00]  * skat_ skat was planning to ask robbiew about those ;)
[16:00] <skat_> hi all
[16:01] <marjo> hi skat_ welcome!
[16:01] <cjwatson> good afternoon
[16:01]  * mathiaz waves
[16:01] <mathiaz> skat_: welcome!
[16:01] <skat_> thanks for the welcomes :)   time to start?
[16:01] <jdstrand> o/
[16:02] <marjo> skat_ ready!
[16:02] <skat_> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is skat_.
[16:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02] <skat_> [TOPIC] 10.10 beta
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  10.10 beta
[16:03] <skat_> [TOPIC] open action items
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  open action items
[16:03] <skat_> robbie?
[16:04] <marjo> robbiew?
[16:04] <robbiew> I'm still working on growing the release team..which isn't a trivial task at all
[16:04] <skat_> :)
[16:04] <robbiew> I guess I could say I found skat_ :)
[16:04] <robbiew> but I have this as a ToDO
[16:04] <robbiew> and don't think we need to carry it on the Actions list
[16:04] <robbiew> as for talking to pitti about the SRU tracker...will do that today and update
[16:05] <robbiew> the wiki and send email
[16:05] <skat_> fair 'nuf
[16:05] <robbiew> that's it for me
[16:05] <skat_> dyfet around?
[16:06] <skat_> dyfet, any update on the Kubuntu armel build issues?
[16:06] <robbiew> may have to carry this one over
[16:06] <ogra> work is going on
[16:06] <Riddell> 15:57 < dyfet> Riddell: I am discussing right now with NCommander.  It has become a python-qt4 build issue at the moment
[16:06] <Riddell> is what he said a moment ago
[16:06] <robbiew> cool
[16:06] <ogra> right
[16:06] <dyfet> yes, we were discussing kdebindings this morning.  The problem I am facing is with python-qt4 currently...NCommander said he had a patch for that
[16:06] <ogra> they are working on it (i have that in the ARM summary too)
[16:06] <robbiew> skat: can probably mark this as "Done"...as dyfet has taken ownership of the situation
[16:07] <dyfet> (or as ogra said :)
[16:07] <skat_> cool.  will do.
[16:07]  * ScottK-droid waves.
[16:07]  * robbiew sits back down and shuts up
[16:07] <marjo> robbiew: you can relax now
[16:07] <robbiew> ScottK-droid: that's a funny nick in many different ways...lol
[16:07] <skat_> ok, ... then on to the next item ;)
[16:07] <skat_> [TOPIC] QA Team report
[16:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Team report
[16:08] <marjo> Hardware automated testing
[16:08] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:08] <marjo> Laptop
[16:08] <marjo> Passed:   41 (85%)      Failed:    0 ( 0%)      Untested:  7 (15%)
[16:08] <marjo> Server
[16:08] <marjo> Passed:   56 (84%)      Failed:    0 ( 0%)      Untested: 11 (16%)
[16:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:08] <marjo> Netbook
[16:08] <marjo> Passed:   13 (81%)      Failed:    0 ( 0%)      Untested:  3 (19%)
[16:08] <marjo> Desktop
[16:08] <marjo> Passed:   11 (79%)      Failed:    0 ( 0%)      Untested:  3 (21%)
[16:08] <marjo> There is an environmental issue in the Boston DC that is preventing testing of some systems.
[16:08] <marjo> fader is investigating.
[16:08] <marjo> Boot Performance Week of 2010-08-16 to 2010-08-20
[16:08] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~cr3/daily-bootcharts/
[16:08] <marjo> Total number of systems with regressions: 0 out of 30 systems
[16:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~cr3/daily-bootcharts/
[16:09] <marjo> robbiew: ameetp will continue to improve charts, based on feedback
[16:09] <robbiew> ack
[16:09] <marjo> ScottK-droid,  robbiew: We are just starting to collect data for UNE and Kbuntu regularly so regression information was not available.
[16:10] <marjo> need to build up data first
[16:10] <marjo> ok?
[16:10] <ScottK-droid> Glad to see it being collected.
[16:10] <marjo> Milestoned Features
[16:10] <marjo> qa-maverick-mago-daily
[16:10] <marjo> Retargeted to end of release, due to higher priority projects.
[16:10] <skat_> marjo,  update on the bluetooth issues from last week?
[16:11] <marjo> skat_ don't have any, sorry
[16:12] <marjo> skat_ we are planning to do manual tests, so will confirm then
[16:12] <skat_> cool.
[16:12] <skat_> any other questions for QA?
[16:12] <marjo> Unresolved Critical/High Milestoned Bugs
[16:12] <marjo> None
[16:12] <marjo> Unresolved Critical/High Release Targeted Bugs
[16:12] <marjo> 617583:Candidate revision checkbox_0.10.2
[16:12] <marjo> Unresolved Targeted Regression Bugs
[16:12] <marjo> None
[16:12] <marjo> Unresolved Bugs with Patches
[16:12] <marjo> None
[16:12] <mathiaz> marjo: I'll take a look at checkbox 0.10.2 today
[16:12] <marjo> cr3 is working 617583
[16:13] <marjo> mathiaz: much appreciated
[16:13] <mathiaz> marjo: he has already submitted a branch for review
[16:13] <mathiaz> marjo: I just need to review and sponsor it
[16:13] <marjo> mathiaz: ack & thx
[16:13] <marjo> skat_ that's it from QA team
[16:14] <skat_> thanks!
[16:14] <skat_> any other questions?
[16:15] <skat_> [TOPIC] Security Team
[16:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security Team
[16:15] <jdstrand> o/
[16:15] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:15] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-security.html
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-security.html
[16:15] <jdstrand> Short report this week.
[16:15] <jdstrand> No milestoned bugs. Blueprints are basically on track (several have been postponed throughout the cycle).
[16:15] <jdstrand> mdeslaur has uploaded to -proposed packages for security-m-tls-renegotiation-updates, our last remaining essential blueprint.
[16:15] <jdstrand> The necessary hardware recently has been made available (with the linaro kernel) for kees to continue his work on arm-m-missing-security-features.
[16:16] <jdstrand> We have one release-targeted bug: bug #545795. Got upstream feedback. I'm working on it today and should get it out certainly by early next week if not today.
[16:16] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[16:16] <skat_> thanks jdstrand
[16:16] <skat_> any questions for security?
[16:17] <skat_> [TOPIC] kernel team update
[16:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  kernel team update
[16:17] <jdstrand> skat_: sure thing :)
[16:17] <ogasawara> Overall Kernel Team status is summarised at the first URL below, including the item(s) called out in the agenda.  Our burndown chart for Beta is at the third URL, and our overall burndown chart is at the fourth:
[16:17] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:17] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone ubuntu-10.10-beta
[16:17] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[16:17] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone ubuntu-10.10-beta
[16:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[16:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:17] <ogasawara> On the bugs noted in the agenda, status is as follows:
[16:17] <ogasawara> Bug 605488 - Currently assigned to kernel dev (lag - Lee Jones).  This issue only appears to surface when the swapper is active.  Lee is still investigating.
[16:18] <ogasawara> Bug 605739 - Believed to be resolved in the latest linux-ti-omap4-2.6.34-903.7 kernel. Still waiting for verification before closing.
[16:18] <ogasawara> Bug 566645 - The patch in question is already included in the latest Maverick kernel. I've posted a comment to the bug and marked it Fix Released.  The Lucid SRU still remains open and under consideration.
[16:18] <ogasawara> Bug 369850 - Seems this was resolved in cups.  I've subsequently closed the Maverick kernel task for now and posted a comment requesting that a new bug be opened in the event any new id's need to be added to the Maverick parport_pc driver.
[16:18] <ogasawara> As a general status, we've rebased to the lastest <IP_ADDRESS> upstream stable kernel.  The <IP_ADDRESS> stable updates unfortunately brought in a noticable regression, Bug 618846.  We've since applied a fix and uploaded a new kernel, linux-2.6.35-17.23.  Also, per the Tech Board decision, we've dropped support for ia64 and sparc from the kernel.  We are above the trend line for our Beta release burndown chart but below
[16:18] <ogasawara>  the trend line overall.  The remaining Beta release work items are not release critical.
[16:19] <ogasawara> Questions?
[16:19] <cjwatson> Can https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-August/012272.html be applied for the next kernel upload?  Tim's acked it already.  I can't upload a merged grub2 without it, and that's a prerequisite for a non-prehistoric mdadm - bit of a chain.  (My apologies for not noting this problem before now, I should have done.)
[16:19] <ogasawara> cjwatson: yep, on my list todo this morning.
[16:19] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:20] <skat_> thanks ogasawara
[16:20] <skat_> any further questions?
[16:20] <cjwatson> Also, I know that JFo is going to do some more triage on the bugs induced by grub gfxpayload=keep, but it would be nice if those could get some development effort at some point for natty
[16:20] <cjwatson> I mean, in the lead-up to natty, so that we can hope to turn this on again
[16:20] <ogasawara> cjwatson: ack, will get it on our radar
[16:21] <cjwatson> much appreciated :)
[16:21] <JFo> on it on my side as well
[16:22] <skat_> [ACTION] ogasawara to track grub gfxpayload=keep for Natty pre-work
[16:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogasawara to track grub gfxpayload=keep for Natty pre-work
[16:23] <skat_> ... looks around, seems like time for next topic...
[16:23] <skat_> [TOPIC] Foundations Team
[16:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations Team
[16:23] <cjwatson> hi
[16:23] <cjwatson> I've been away for three weeks and only got back on Monday.  Bear with me while I proceed to show how I have no idea what's going on.
[16:23] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:24] <cjwatson> There are various tail-ends of feature work here; the ones most likely to result in some further work are buy-something, cd-build-speed, installer-redesign, and uefi-support.
[16:24] <cjwatson> We'll probably switch grub2-boot-framebuffer back off for beta, and continue work on it out of band.  General summer holiday chaos meant that it was difficult to get it the amount of kernel support it required, and it seems at this point that it's too risky to leave it switched on.
[16:24] <cjwatson> Mostly we have a great big pile of bugs.  Summary of those listed on the agenda:
[16:24] <cjwatson> bug 441941, bug 563916, bug 601030, bug 604765, bug 613008: no updates at this time
[16:24] <cjwatson> bug 459639: will probably mitigate by switching off grub2-boot-framebuffer
[16:24] <cjwatson> bug 553745: incidence should have been greatly reduced by mountall changes, but appears to still be happening occasionally
[16:24] <cjwatson> bug 563916: awaiting response from patch submitter to review feedback
[16:24] <cjwatson> (er, duplicate there, bad editing, sorry)
[16:24] <cjwatson> bug 544139: cjwatson working on a tentative fix
[16:25] <cjwatson> bug 605042: -> Linaro
[16:25] <cjwatson> bug 600782, bug 602273, bug 604087: fixed
[16:25] <cjwatson> that's all from me - any questions?
[16:26] <skat_> thanks cjwatson...   will be digesting and follow up after.  :)
[16:26] <skat_> anyone else have questions?
[16:26] <cjwatson> yep, big pile of infodumps
[16:27] <skat_> [TOPIC] server team
[16:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  server team
[16:27] <ScottK-droid> Need to decide on updating python-numpy.
[16:27] <mathiaz> The release status for the server team can found at:
[16:27] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:27] <mathiaz> Some highlights from this week:
[16:27] <mathiaz>  * 10.04.1 Server released! Thanks hggdh for helping testing UEC. (mathiaz, hggdh)
[16:27] <mathiaz>  * Cloud images can now be run from kvm/libvirt. (smoser)
[16:27] <mathiaz> * puppetmaster-passenger package available to streamline the installation of a scalable and permormant puppetmaster system. (mathiaz)
[16:27] <mathiaz>  * daily vcs PPA available for memcache. (zul)
[16:28] <mathiaz>  * munin will be used instead of collectd for UEC monitoring. (SpamapS)
[16:28] <mathiaz>  * Eucalyptus 2.0 testing on maverick. (kirkland, hggdh)
[16:28] <ScottK-droid> Sorry. Slow typing on the phone. Can deal with it later.
[16:28] <mathiaz> Blockers (5):
[16:28] <mathiaz>  1. server-maverick-upstart-conversion: upstart job review from fondation: winbind bug 612958, ntp bug 604717, dhcp bug 612975
[16:28] <mathiaz> fondation?
[16:28] <mathiaz> who can help with that?
[16:29] <cjwatson> this flow of stuff has been difficult because Scott has been away a bit
[16:29] <cjwatson> I can look at them, but can't necessarily be authoritative
[16:29] <mathiaz> cjwatson: ok
[16:29] <mathiaz> cjwatson: what would be the impact of FF on these items?
[16:29] <ogra> yeah, he is greatly missed, the arm team also has some stuff we would like his input on
[16:30] <mathiaz> cjwatson: does it make sense to still accept upstart jobs now in the maverick cycle?
[16:30] <cjwatson> mathiaz: things that are leaf packages or relatively uncomplicated should be OK; I'd recommend against anything that's hard
[16:30]  * mathiaz nods
[16:30] <mathiaz>  2. server-maverick-community: awaiting feedback (who?).
[16:30] <mathiaz> I need to figure who's being chased
[16:31] <mathiaz> and follow up with them
[16:31] <mathiaz>  3. server-maverick-monitoring: waiting on eucalyptus upstream feedback on munin plugin.
[16:31] <mathiaz>  4. server-maverick-workitemtracker: Inverted burndown chart waiting for review.
[16:31] <mathiaz>  5. server-maverick-hadoop-pig: Waiting for Canonical signing Cloudera Corporate CLA.
[16:31] <mathiaz> it's in the hand of the legal team
[16:32] <mathiaz> For specs, their status is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:32] <mathiaz> Beta-milestoned bugs:
[16:33] <mathiaz> #
[16:33] <mathiaz> Bug 572317 - image-store does not support images without a ramdisk (niemeyer): might use a workaround instead, discussions ongoing
[16:33] <mathiaz> #
[16:33] <mathiaz> Bug 556763 - eucalyptus/authorized-keys/* preseeds no longer supported (Daviey) - should be a simple fix in udeb
[16:33] <mathiaz> #
[16:33] <mathiaz> Bug 610987 - euca-describe-availability-zones verbose incorrect output (Daviey) - a man(page) bug
[16:33] <mathiaz> #
[16:33] <mathiaz> Bug 599342 - Temporary failure in name resolution (hallyn) - Needing some upstart guidance.
[16:33] <mathiaz> they're all assigned
[16:34] <mathiaz> Unresolved Critical/High Milestoned Bugs
[16:34] <mathiaz>     *
[16:34] <mathiaz>       572317:image-store does not support images without a ramdisk
[16:34] <mathiaz> this is still on discussion with gustavo
[16:35] <mathiaz> and I think that's all from the server team
[16:35] <mathiaz> any questions?
[16:35] <skat_> robbiew,  who can help on getting feedback for blockers #2 & #3?
[16:35] <skat_> mathiaz,  what's the ETA on feedback from legal?
[16:35] <mathiaz> skat_: 2. - Daviey is following up
[16:36] <mathiaz> 3. - we're dealing with upstream directly
[16:36] <skat_> cool :)
[16:36] <mathiaz> skat_: nope - hopefully a couple of days
[16:36]  * robbiew sits back down
[16:36] <mathiaz> skat_: it hasn't a direct impact on the release itself
[16:36] <cjwatson> mathiaz: 556763> for the record, the change that's needed is in eucalyptus-common, not in the udeb - the point of the bug is that the udeb works fine but the facility is desired to be extended to package-based installations
[16:37] <mathiaz> skat_: it's a CLA to contribute to upstream packages and archive
[16:37] <mathiaz> cjwatson: agreed
[16:37] <skat_> mathiaz,  cool.  ok, if its not affecting release.
[16:38] <skat_> any more questions?  (will go back to ScottK's when he's back again ... )
[16:39] <skat_> [TOPIC] desktop update
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  desktop update
[16:39] <seb128> hey
[16:39] <seb128> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:39] <seb128> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[16:39] <seb128> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[16:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:39] <seb128> Work items summary:
[16:39] <seb128> We are a bit behind on the beta trend but some of the items are documentation or bug reporting improvements which can easily be delayed. We are on track for the maverick trend
[16:39] <seb128> Week work summary:
[16:39] <seb128> - GNOME has been updated to 2.31.91
[16:39] <seb128> - we got a new unity update in
[16:39] <seb128> - our web browsers maintainer started a discussion with the tb on how we can maintain chromium in main, we deferred that to next cycle but still to be clear on what would be required for that so we are ready for UDS and next cycle
[16:39] <seb128>
[16:39] <seb128> The status of the bugs is being updated, I'm not going to dump the list there though but the list is mostly under control
[16:39] <seb128>
[16:39] <seb128> There are still some feature freeze exception pending, especially from the dx team and unity, I guess dbarth will give details on those
[16:39] <seb128>
[16:39] <seb128> Worth knowing that the retracers are broken due to launchpad bug #620458 which means crash bugs don't get retraced at the moment and so we have low visibility on current crash issues in Ubuntu
[16:39] <seb128>
[16:40] <seb128> that's it
[16:40] <seb128> questions?
[16:41] <davidbarth> seb128: FF exceptions for? appemu or indicator-me you mean?
[16:41] <seb128> davidbarth, unity gesture support
[16:41] <seb128> being one thing
[16:41] <davidbarth> seb128: oh, this one, right
[16:41] <Riddell> over at Kubuntu..
[16:41] <seb128> I think indicator-sound will still need changes and in players as well
[16:41] <Riddell>  - ubiquity KDE frontend needing more work before beta
[16:41] <Riddell>  - currently going through translations QA, some problems but nothing very unexpected
[16:41] <Riddell>  - qt4-qws needing approval by archive admin
[16:41] <Riddell>  - lucid.1 release successful
[16:41] <Riddell>  - expect to make a FFe for bluedevil to replace kbluetooth shortly
[16:43] <skat_> seb128,  where will you be updating bug status?  (for the minutes ;) )
[16:44] <skat_> Riddell, should I be calling it out as a separate topic?
[16:44] <Riddell> skat_: I'd prefer that yes
[16:45] <seb128> skat_, in the next half an hour
[16:45] <skat_> [ACTION] skat_ to update agenda & flow for kubuntu.
[16:45] <MootBot> ACTION received:  skat_ to update agenda & flow for kubuntu.
[16:45] <skat_> thanks seb128,  bounce me a link when you're done. :0
[16:45] <skat_> s/:0/:)/
[16:45] <seb128> skat_, ok
[16:46] <skat_> Riddell,  there seem to be a bunch of un-triage kubuntu bugs against the release.   who should be looking into them?
[16:47] <Riddell> I need to do a first post feature freeze run through the bugs, but it'll have to wait until I'm done with ubiquity
[16:48] <skat_> ok.   Ones I spotted that looked relevant were bug #608746,  #613636, #613834...
[16:49] <skat_> thanks Riddell.
[16:49] <skat_> any further questions for kubuntu?
[16:49] <cjwatson> I expect I can cover 608746 - I think I asked Riddell to file that because I was going to be away RSN
[16:49] <Riddell> yes
[16:50] <skat_> [TOPIC] user experience
[16:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  user experience
[16:51] <davidbarth> hmm, is that DX or Design?
[16:51] <skat_> ...  hmm  just following the agenda robbiew gave me ;)  jump in.
[16:52] <seb128> davidbarth, it's dx
[16:52] <davidbarth> right, should be dx, anyway ;)
[16:52] <robbiew> skat: Desktop Experience = DX
[16:52] <davidbarth> weekly report as usual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus
[16:52] <seb128> skat_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2010-08-20, you skipped desktop experience?
[16:52]  * skat_ blush
[16:53] <davidbarth> nw, but add me to the next posting please
[16:53] <skat_> seb128, davidbarth - yup bad page break.
[16:53] <davidbarth> highlights of the status:
[16:53] <skat_> davidbath, will do.
[16:54] <davidbarth> appmenu is finally getting there, we're rushing to get the latest patch for the default desktop menu in
[16:54] <davidbarth> 95% complete, but with some perf. improvements and now bugs we'll have to fix next week and after
[16:55] <davidbarth> gtk: the big changes are over; there are still tons of little adjustments coming this week and next week before UIF at the theme level
[16:55] <davidbarth> Cimi and chaotic are on that in particular
[16:56] <davidbarth> the sound indicator is sealed; ronoc managed to get mprisv2 support in, depsite a last minute reshuffling of the whole API
[16:57] <davidbarth> indicator-me is late; it will require a FF exception, at least to iron out the remaining UI adjustments
[16:57] <davidbarth> unity: ok apart from the brand new MT integration, that will also require a FF exception unfortunately
[16:58] <davidbarth> questions?
[16:58] <Riddell> what's MT?
[16:58] <davidbarth> multi-touch
[16:58] <davidbarth> utouch, i should have said
[16:58] <Riddell> davidbarth: did you get the global menu kde apps on gnome issue you had diagnosed?
[16:58] <davidbarth> oubiwann's team new amazing project!
[16:59] <davidbarth> Riddell: it is fixed, yes
[16:59]  * skat_ wondering if I should feel dread now about MT..
[16:59] <davidbarth> Riddell: i've spotted icon issues this morning, but agateau was investigating why some were not fdo compliant
[16:59] <davidbarth> MT rocks!
[17:00] <skat_> :)
[17:00] <davidbarth> it's just coming late, but it's been working very well for us so far
[17:00] <Riddell> I'd expect they're just icons which aren't in the fd.o spec, it's not all that complete as a spec
[17:00] <davidbarth> right
[17:00]  * skat_ feels a little less dread ;)
[17:01] <davidbarth> other questions?
[17:01] <skat_> any other questions?
[17:01] <skat_> :)
[17:01] <davidbarth> sorry
[17:01] <skat_> np.   :)
[17:02] <skat_> [TOPIC] user experience ... really this time.
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  user experience ... really this time.
[17:02] <davidbarth> ivanka is not there this week
[17:02] <robbiew> skat_: so I've yet to get someone to attend from their team :/
[17:02] <robbiew> and ivanka is out
[17:03] <robbiew> so we can skip this week
[17:03] <skat_> robbiew, davidbarth,  thanks.  will do.
[17:03] <skat_> [TOPIC] ARM team
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team
[17:03]  * ogra is here
[17:03] <ogra> Detailed status at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[17:03] <ogra> ...
[17:03] <ogra> Short summary:
[17:03] <ogra>  * the whole team is researching oem-config issues with the current images (Bug #616581) (thanks to cjwatson for helping with the most blocking item here)
[17:03] <ogra>  * ubuntu-netbook-efl-default-settings is still pending fixes to the default 2D session (blocked due to not working images)
[17:03] <ogra>  * ongoing "normal" work on main ftbfs
[17:03] <ogra>  * ARM team QA participated in the QA sprint this week
[17:03] <ogra>  * issues with e2fsprogs (or the omap4 kernel, we are not sure yet) were seen and are being researched currently
[17:03] <ogra>  * work on kdebinding fixes has been started by dyfet (hopefully being fixed soon)
[17:03] <ogra>  * NCommander sacificed his soul for demonic assistane in bringing Marvell Dove supported mainline again (and enabled the first daily live images for the dove subarchitecture)
[17:03] <ogra> ...
[17:03] <ogra> Beta Status:
[17:04] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[17:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[17:04] <ogra> Overall Status:
[17:04] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[17:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[17:04] <ogra> ...
[17:04] <ogra> Beta targeted specs:
[17:04] <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-omap-edid-autodetection
[17:04] <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-maverick-arm-improved-subarch-detection
[17:04] <ogra> ...
[17:04] <ogra> There are again 10 Beta targeted bugs (we fixed some but new ones grew)
[17:04] <ogra> ...
[17:04] <ogra> Still 2 Blocker Bugs:
[17:04] <ogra> bug 605739
[17:04] <ogra> bug 616581
[17:05] <ogra> any questions ?
[17:06] <skat_> ogra, cool that Marvell dove support is in mainline again.
[17:06] <ogra> well, it will cause a lot of pain
[17:06] <ogra> but thats NCommander's headdache (luckily)
[17:06] <NCommander> I paid the price for it :-/
[17:07] <ogra> come on, you get nice chinese food
[17:07] <ogra> ;)
[17:07] <NCommander> yes, but now I need to buy a replacement soul on ebay
[17:07] <ogra> heh
[17:07] <ogra> skat_, so if there are no more questions, feel free to move on ...
[17:07] <skat_> thanks.
[17:08] <skat_> [TOPIC] MOTU team
[17:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU team
[17:08] <sistpoty|work> o/
[17:08] <sistpoty|work> ScottK: around?
[17:08] <robbiew> sistpoty|work: he had to leave
[17:09] <sistpoty|work> not really much news from my side, ftbfs are still worrying, and unmet deps are as well
[17:09] <robbiew> (10:33:47 AM) ScottK-droid: Need to run due to being on vacation. MOTU input is need to push on NBS and FTBFS, but no major concerns.
[17:09] <sistpoty|work> heh
[17:09] <sistpoty|work> that's it ;)
[17:09] <skat_> cool.   any questions?
[17:10] <skat_> [TOPIC] derivatives update
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  derivatives update
[17:10] <skat_> anyone around to talk to Linaro?
[17:10] <JamieBennett> Hi Kate, on the Linaro front …
[17:10] <JamieBennett> Linaro Release Meeting yesterday
[17:10] <JamieBennett> [LINK] http://wiki.linaro.org/Releases/WeeklyReleaseMeeting/2010-08-19
[17:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.linaro.org/Releases/WeeklyReleaseMeeting/2010-08-19
[17:10] <JamieBennett> Two bugs to be worked on next week, bug #605042 and bug #615765
[17:11] <JamieBennett> We have a few FFe’s that are to be filed, u-boot-linaro, linaro-meta, and a GPS app yet to be determined, geoclue-skyhook was approved for FFe already
[17:11] <JamieBennett> other than that there is nothing related to the Ubuntu release to announce.
[17:11] <JamieBennett> EOF
[17:11] <skat_> thanks JamieBennett.
[17:11] <skat_> any questions?
[17:12] <skat_> [TOPIC] 10.04.2 update
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  10.04.2 update
[17:12] <robbiew> I added this thinking it's good to keep the point releases in mind...early!
[17:12] <ogra> like ... really early ...
[17:12] <robbiew> heh
[17:12] <Riddell> is it scheduled?
[17:13] <skat_> robbiew,  :)  agreed.   anyone around who can talk to it?
[17:13] <robbiew> we have a "planned" release date...yes
[17:13] <robbiew> I don't think we need to say much now
[17:13] <skat_> Riddell,  planned release date 2011/1/27 per agenda...
[17:13] <skat_> Riddell,  ;)
[17:13] <robbiew> just want it there to keep it in folk's mind
[17:13] <skat_> thanks robbiew
[17:14] <skat_> Any other questions before we end meeting?
[17:14] <tgardner> robbiew, the installer folks need enough time to add the LTS backport kernel
[17:14] <pitti> not sure whether I should bring up a potentially disruptive maverick change at this point?
[17:14] <robbiew> tgardner: ack
[17:14] <sistpoty|work> pitti: referring to udev?
[17:14] <robbiew> pitti: um...yes :)
[17:14] <pitti> we currently carry some outdated modem infrastructure in maverick
[17:15] <pitti> there is a project usb-modeswitch, which has superseded our modem-modeswitch a fair while ago
[17:15] <pitti> but since neither me nor Scott had much time for udev in maverick so far, it got neglected
[17:15] <pitti> sistpoty|work: that, too
[17:16] <pitti> the modem-modeswitch -> usb-modeswitch change is not a trivial thing, and needs some testing
[17:16] <ogra> does it affect any other stuff beyond modems ?
[17:16] <pitti> well, it's for UMTS/3G cards
[17:16] <pitti> i. e. for those USB sticks and mobile phones
[17:16] <ogra> i.e. heavy udev changes that could break other stuff
[17:16] <pitti> ogra: udev itself is relatively easy, see bug 620977
[17:16] <ogra> or is it just a set of new rules
[17:16] <pitti> I went through all changes today
[17:16] <pitti> and it's blocking some updates in GNOME as well
[17:17] <pitti> but it requires changing to usb-modeswitch, which is a bigger change
[17:17] <pitti> if we do that, I'm happy to send out a call for testing and regressio reporting to u-devel, etc.
[17:17] <robbiew> pitti: I'm sure marjo's team can assist with that
[17:18] <pitti> I have an usb 3g stick which I can test, but not much else
[17:18] <pitti> my laptop has one of those gobi things, and it's broken in maverick (and not affected by mode switch in the first place)
[17:19] <robbiew> so I have a built-in 3G card from Ericsson...would that be useful to test as well?
[17:19] <pitti> robbiew: does it look like a CD-ROM
[17:19] <pitti> ?
[17:19] <pitti> I think this mainly affects USB sticks
[17:19] <robbiew> ack
[17:19] <tgardner> pitti, I though we got a gobi loader? didn't smb do that?
[17:19] <pitti> they first act like a CD-ROM and have windows drivers
[17:19] <robbiew> we do..it's in universe
[17:19] <pitti> and you need to poke it with some black magic to switch over to modem mode
[17:20] <robbiew> and /me is about to create an MIR for it
[17:20] <cjwatson> right, usb-modeswitch is relevant on the devices that present as either CD-ROM or modem but never both at the same time (i.e. the manufacturer is too cheap to include a USB hub)
[17:20] <tgardner> ah
[17:20] <pitti> tgardner: that works, but hte modem never connects for me; but different topic
[17:20] <robbiew> wasn't there some other manufactuer who's device did that...huwaei?
[17:20] <pitti> so, I'm happy to prepare the switch and test it with my Huawei 3G stick (which is affecteD)
[17:20] <robbiew> heh
[17:20] <cjwatson> it's also possible to quirk the kernel to set up those devices that way by default
[17:20] <pitti> but I want to get some consensus about switching this late
[17:20] <cjwatson> robbiew: also Option
[17:21] <pitti> the advantage of that is that we get _much_ better 3G coverage
[17:21] <pitti> modem-modeswitch is obsolete, unmaintained, and doesn't work for a lot of newer devices
[17:21] <cjwatson> I don't like the userspace modeswitch *at all*, but modem-modeswitch and usb-modeswitch are the same in that regard
[17:21] <cjwatson> might as well use the one that everyone else seems to use
[17:21] <pitti> cjwatson: ack; hack either way
[17:21] <robbiew> I think if we can get this in pre-Beta, sure
[17:21] <pitti> but at least we'll use the current hack :/
[17:22] <robbiew> then we have a better chance of getting more testing...as loads of people tend to jump on the beta
[17:22] <pitti> robbiew: I have udev packages prepared for testing, and usb-modeswitch has been in Ubuntu for ages; just needs a MIR and a dependency (or seeding)
[17:22] <robbiew> ok
[17:22] <skat_> [ACTION] Robbiew to create MIR for modem infrastructure upgrade
[17:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Robbiew to create MIR for modem infrastructure upgrade
[17:22] <robbiew> whoa...
[17:22] <sistpoty|work> I pretty much agree with robbiew, would be good to get it in pre beta
[17:22] <pitti> FYI, bug 521578  covers the usb-modeswitch change
[17:22] <skat_> robbiew.... heh - will delete if you tell me to. ;)
[17:23] <robbiew> I think pitti is doing the MIR...I'm doing one for another package
[17:23] <pitti> it's a dependency of bug 620977 in order to not regress
[17:23] <pitti> robbiew: ack
[17:23] <pitti> can someone else in ~ubuntu-release ack these two bugs then?
[17:23] <skat_> pitti, robbiew - will clean up actions after the meeting.  :)
[17:24] <robbiew> ack
[17:24] <skat_> anything else?
[17:25] <ogra> close it !
[17:25] <skat_> thanks all
[17:25] <pitti> skat_: yes; a warm welcome from me!
[17:25] <skat_> #endmeeting
[17:25] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:25.
[17:25] <ogra> skat_, yeah, good job
[17:25] <robbiew> nice work skat_
[17:25] <sistpoty|work> pitti: ack'd usb-modeswitch
[17:25] <skat_> thanks to robbiew for setting up the agenda.  :)
[17:25] <seb128> skat_, the bug status update is on the desktop team wikipage
[17:26] <skat_> seb128,  cool.  thanks
[17:27] <seb128> skat_, not sure bug #575160 should be listed as it's an universe component and assigned to a community member already so...
[17:27] <sistpoty|work> pitti: I'll take a closer look at udev once I'm home, unless someone else beats me to it ;)
[17:27] <pitti> sistpoty|work: cheers
[17:27] <skat_> seb128,  ok.  will dig a bit there.
[17:28]  * skat_ heads off to start editing minutes....
[17:29] <marjo> skat_ thx!
[17:29] <seb128> skat_, thanks
[17:35] <mathiaz> éwc


[18:00]  * fader_ waves.
[18:00] <ameetp> o/
[18:00] <pedro_> hola hola
[18:00] <fader_> marjo is not available so he has asked me to chair the meeting today.
[18:01] <fader_> #startmeeting
[18:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:01. The chair is fader_.
[18:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:01] <fader_> Agenda:
[18:01] <fader_> * SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[18:01] <fader_> * Bug Day status -- pvillavi
[18:01] <fader_> * UDS QA Track - ara
[18:01] <fader_> [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU testing -- sbeattie
[18:01] <sbeattie> SRU Activity report for the past week (since 2010-04-28):
[18:01] <sbeattie> * lucid: 55 new packages in -proposed
[18:01] <sbeattie>      and 6 packages pushed to -updates (librsvg, linux, migration-assistant, pkg-create-dbgsym, planner, ubiquity)
[18:01] <sbeattie> * karmic: 5 new packages in -proposed (apt-mirror, etoys, installation-guide, sbuild, tzdata)
[18:01] <sbeattie>       and 10 packages pushed to -updates (compiz, debian-installer, gnome-games, linux, linux-backports-modules-2.6.31, mythtvfs-fuse, sun-java6, trac-git, tzdata, xfce4-power-manager)
[18:01] <sbeattie> * jaunty: 2 new packages in -proposed (etoys, tzdata)
[18:01] <sbeattie>       and 2 packages pushed to -updates (kopete-cryptography, tzdata)
[18:01] <sbeattie> * intrepid: no longer maintained
[18:01] <sbeattie> * hardy: 2 new packages in -proposed (nfs-utils, tzdata)
[18:02] <sbeattie>      and 3 packages pushed to -updates (debian-installer, linux, tzdata)
[18:02] <sbeattie> * dapper: 1 new package in -proposed (langpack-locales)
[18:02] <sbeattie>       and 1 package pushed to -updates (langpack-locales)
[18:02] <sbeattie> Thanks to mhall119, arand, Fabio Marconi (njin), André V, Daniel Muller, Peter Schaefer, Leo Milano, jmrbachiller, Stefan Ebner (sebner), Sel Goona, Moritz Heiber (Moe), YoBoY, Mitch Towner (kermiac), Harald Sitter (apachelogger), Thorsten Reinbold, marmuta, kristoffer, Andy Owen (TheNewAndy) and others for testing SRUs this week.
[18:02] <sbeattie> Lots of activity, lots of packages landed in lucid that need testing.
[18:02] <fader_> Yeah, no kidding... much more activity than last week :)
[18:03] <fader_> Any questions/comments about SRU testing?
[18:04] <fader_> Okay, thanks sbeattie!
[18:04] <fader_> [TOPIC]  Bug Day status -- pedro_
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:   Bug Day status -- pedro_
[18:04] <pedro_> On Thursday 29 we had a bug day based on Bugs without a package: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100429
[18:04] <pedro_> ~60 bugs were triaged that day
[18:05] <pedro_> Thanks a lot to our Bug day heroes: dgtombs, kamusin, yofel, vish, micahg, ddecator, sbarjola, ara, mistrynitesh and michl
[18:05] <pedro_> There's nothing scheduled for tomorrow, we'll come back with more bug days after UDS ;-)
[18:06] <pedro_> that's all from here fader_ unless there's a question
[18:07] <fader_> Any questions for pedro_?
[18:07] <fader_> Thanks, pedro_!
[18:07] <fader_> [TOPIC] UDS QA Track -- ara
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS QA Track -- ara
[18:07] <fader_> And I don't see ara :)
[18:07] <fader_> I believe this was a leftover from last week anyway.
[18:08] <fader_> I will just remind everyone to make sure you've checked the UDS pages and added any topics you feel are missing
[18:08]  * fader_ goes to grab the link.
[18:08] <pedro_> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/track/qa/
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/track/qa/
[18:08] <fader_> Heh, thanks pedro_, you're one step ahead of me :)
[18:09] <fader_> I hope everyone is ready for UDS!
[18:09] <pedro_> hah, there's a few new sessions compared to last week , looking forward to UDS ;-)
[18:09] <fader_> Any last-minute UDS-related topics to discuss before next week?
[18:09] <bladernr> who's participating in UDS-Kilt Day?
[18:09] <bladernr> ;-)
[18:09] <fader_> pedro_: Yes, all of us slackers getting our sessions registered at the last minute :)
[18:09] <fader_> bladernr: o/
[18:10] <fader_> Everybody bring a kilt :)
[18:10] <hggdh> er. would a kitty be good?
[18:10] <fader_> hggdh: Not sure if you can wear one the same way... that might be animal cruelty.
[18:10] <hggdh> :-)
[18:11] <fader_> [TOPIC] AOB
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[18:11] <fader_> Any other business?
[18:12] <fader_> Doesn't look like it...
[18:12] <fader_> Thanks everyone!  See you at UDS!
[18:12] <fader_> #endmeeting
[18:12] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:12.
[18:12] <pedro_> Thanks!
[18:12] <schwuk> Thanks fader_
[18:13] <charlie-tca> quick and painless today
[18:54] <YoBoY> you're welcome sbeattie
[19:26] <sbalneav> Boo
[19:55] <highvoltage> hey sbalneav
[20:01] <highvoltage> QuickQuickMeeting!™
[20:01] <mhall119> o/
[20:01] <highvoltage> On the development side it's quick at least,
[20:01] <mhall119> look look, I'm actually here for one
[20:02] <bencrisford> mhall119: yay! :)
[20:02]  * stgraber waves
[20:02] <highvoltage> sbalneav has beenfixingfixingbugs and I'll be helping him out witha few packaging questions when we manage to sync up :)
[20:02] <mhall119> anyone know what time of day UDS sessions will be starting?
[20:02] <highvoltage> (oops and the laptop I'm on now has a bad spacebad)
[20:02] <highvoltage> *spacebar
[20:02] <stgraber> 9am UTC+2
[20:02] <bencrisford> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/
[20:02] <mhall119> oh no
[20:02] <mhall119> :(
[20:03] <highvoltage> mhall119: yeah not very american-zone friendly :/
[20:03] <bencrisford> mhall119: and the end just when I get home :/
[20:03] <stgraber> so that's 3am EDT
[20:03] <sbalneav> A bad spacebad?!
[20:03] <sbalneav> sounds.... bad!
[20:03] <mhall119> logs it is then
[20:03] <highvoltage> sbalneav: it is!
[20:03] <bencrisford> mhall119: for me too :(
[20:03] <mhall119> I might make the last couple sessions
[20:04] <highvoltage> stgraber has also registered our specifications forthesessions at UDS, schedule will only be available from monday morning onwards
[20:04] <highvoltage> stgraber: if you could manipulate the schedule so that sessions are rather later than earlier, that would be great :)
[20:04] <mhall119> highvoltage: I'd imagine everyone will by vying for later sessions
[20:05] <highvoltage> mhall119: except people from Asia :)
[20:05] <mhall119> on behalf of their american remote participants
[20:05] <mhall119> true
[20:05] <mhall119> but we americans whine more
[20:05] <highvoltage> mhall119: not that it seems like that will beabig problem for us though
[20:05] <stgraber> highvoltage: yeah, I'll try to have them in the afternoons
[20:06] <bencrisford> not just american participants, anyone who cant get IRC at school/work on UTC, UTC+1 is kind of stuffed
[20:06] <highvoltage> that's basically it for technical, unless there's anything else?
[20:06] <bencrisford> yes!
[20:06] <highvoltage> bencrisford: fire away
[20:06] <bencrisford> not sure it comes under technical actually..  but ive started now ;P
[20:07] <bencrisford> the other day I was looking around for some software to do revision timetables for me
[20:07] <bencrisford> and I couldn't find one for linux
[20:07] <mhall119> what are revision timetables?
[20:07] <bencrisford> like, if you have alot of exams
[20:07] <bencrisford> scheduling revision
[20:08] <mhall119> ok
[20:08] <highvoltage> hmm, Schooltool is supposed to have quite advanced scheduling capabilities. not that I've tried it yet :)
[20:08] <mhall119> is this for students or teachers?
[20:08] <bencrisford> im thinking of starting work on one :), I was wondering if you guys thought it would be a good idea or if there is anything else
[20:08] <bencrisford> mhall119: hopefully both
[20:08] <bencrisford> so teachers/schools could use it for lession scheduling
[20:08] <mhall119> I'd look at schooltool first
[20:08] <bencrisford> and students for revision
[20:08] <mhall119> see if it can be extended to do what you need
[20:08] <bencrisford> ok, I'll do that :)
[20:08] <sbalneav> I'll be getting involved in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenLDAP-DIT
[20:08] <mhall119> otherwise, go for it
[20:08] <bencrisford> but I thought it could be a pretty cool thing
[20:08] <highvoltage> yeah, schooltool is probably most likely to be supported by Canonical too at some point since it's also funded by sabdfl
[20:09] <bencrisford> and it could know when your exams are, and make sure you revise everything
[20:09] <highvoltage> bencrisford: schooltool didn't make it into 10.04 because of zope dependencies, which are likely to be fixed for 10.10
[20:09] <mhall119> highvoltage: are the zope issues that it used to have resolved?
[20:09] <alkisg> Hi all
[20:09] <bencrisford> !info fet
[20:10] <bencrisford> well, I was wrong :P ^
[20:10] <highvoltage> bencrisford: so if schooltool doesn't quite have that yet it might be a good idea to contribute there. but it's up to you and I'm not 100% sure how complicated it is to contribute. all up to you of course!
[20:10] <bencrisford> it was just one of the ideas I had rattling about in my head
[20:10] <bencrisford> most of them turn to nothing :P
[20:11] <highvoltage> well it's noted now fwiw :)
[20:11] <mhall119> if there's ever a need for a webapp, and it can be done in Django, I'm all in
[20:11] <bencrisford> :)
[20:11] <highvoltage> bencrisford: perhaps if fet looks useful you can do a write-up about it and we can include it anyway
[20:12] <bencrisford> highvoltage: sounds good, i'll look into it
[20:12] <highvoltage> righto! let's move on to community
[20:12]  * bencrisford scribbles "timetable software" on a post-it
[20:12] <bencrisford> noted :)
[20:12] <highvoltage> oppl joined in for the classroom session tonight and showed some interest
[20:12] <mhall119> Tomboy FTW
[20:13] <highvoltage> oppl: would you like to introduce yourself?
[20:13] <oppl> sure
[20:13] <oppl> I'm a computer scientist from Austria working at the University of Linz
[20:14] <oppl> I'm currently finishing my PhD on how to support cooperative learning processes using tangible tabletop interfaces
[20:14] <mhall119> like touchscreen tables?
[20:14] <oppl> so I broadened my scope a bit and got into educational sciences, cognitive sciences and sociology
[20:15] <oppl> mhall119: yes, basically ... but using tangible elements on the table
[20:15] <oppl> to represent and mesh concepts basically
[20:16] <oppl> further work will include to integrate the physically built models back into virtual, distributed learning environments
[20:16] <highvoltage> oppl: that sounds quite valueble to a project like edubuntu! do you have any free time available to get involved?
[20:16] <highvoltage> (or share information on your studies?)
[20:16] <oppl> maybe both
[20:16] <oppl> as soon as I've finished my PhD :-)
[20:17] <oppl> that should be the case latest in june
[20:17] <mhall119> oppl: sounds cool and exciting
[20:17] <bencrisford> oppl: :D
[20:17] <oppl> I'm also thinking about involving my students
[20:17] <highvoltage> oppl: heh, one of our previous contributors had to delay his phd quite a bit due to edubuntu contributions!
[20:17] <highvoltage> oppl: so finishing your phd first sounds like a good idea :)
[20:18] <oppl> unfortunately it's already delayed ... there are so many other interesting things
[20:18] <oppl> but as i said ... maybe I could provide manpower through student's projects
[20:18] <highvoltage> oppl: feedback from students will be great as we expand a bit more into the tertiary zone, which few of us know a lot about
[20:19] <oppl> that's what I thought about
[20:19] <highvoltage> oppl: well, I hope that you'll hang around with us! and welcome to Edubuntu, officially :)
[20:19] <oppl> we are into teaching process modelling and interactive systems modelling
[20:20] <oppl> would be interesting to examine, what's available and possible in that are with FOSS
[20:20] <highvoltage> oppl: I think we might have to have a session one day where you explain all these things! it sounds quite self-explanetory what it is but it would be nice to know how you actually do that!
[20:20] <oppl> highvoltage: thx
[20:21] <oppl> highvoltage: sure, I'm at your service :-)
[20:21] <highvoltage> let's move on to the advocacy project, which also more or less ties in with some of what oppl is talking about
[20:21] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I told you earlier that my boss (also Ben) is interested in joining
[20:22] <highvoltage> he joined the LP group but he actually wanted to join a mailing list
[20:22] <highvoltage> I was wondering whether it would worth while starting a list on LP for that?
[20:22] <bencrisford> highvoltage: I did think about that...
[20:23] <highvoltage> Ben sells Edubuntu every day and speaks to many non-technical teachers and educational people who we could get in touch with
[20:23] <bencrisford> ok, awesome
[20:23] <bencrisford> I think I might remember accepting him actually
[20:23] <highvoltage> he'd like to round them up so that could have some semi-formal way of communicating with them and also receive some feedback
[20:23] <highvoltage> bencrisford: yep, I think he joined it yesterday
[20:23] <bencrisford> I saw he was in the revolution linux lp team so I accepted him
[20:23] <bencrisford> I guess that was him
[20:24] <highvoltage> some of oppl's students may also be interested in that
[20:24] <highvoltage> yep, it was
[20:25] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I think once we have a bunch of real life people combined with that list and our new site, we could actually do some cool things
[20:25] <bencrisford> yeah :D:D
[20:26] <highvoltage> great, I'll ping you again tomorrow and also put you in touch with Ben
[20:26] <highvoltage> he's really passionate about this and I think he'll also put some great energy into it
[20:27] <bencrisford> :D
[20:27] <highvoltage> great, so we'll follow up on that tomorrow
[20:27] <bencrisford> sounds good
[20:28] <highvoltage> anything else for this meeting?
[20:28] <highvoltage> bencrisford: gongtime
[20:29] <highvoltage> ok bencrisford seems busy :)
[20:29] <highvoltage> *GONG*
[20:30] <highvoltage> quickquickmeeting™ adjourned, thanks everyone!
[20:30] <bencrisford> :)