[12:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #48974 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) ""white" gdm freeze on logout" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48974
[09:14] <tepsipakki> oh my, we have an old vesa-driver (1.2.1 vs. 1.3.0).. the new one should fix many bugs
[09:15] <tepsipakki> and fedora has some patches for it which seem useful
[09:16] <Mithrandir> shiny. bling. must. have.
[09:16] <Mithrandir> ?
[09:17] <tepsipakki> heh
[09:17] <tepsipakki> one of the patches work around broken ATI video BIOSes
[09:20] <tepsipakki> and one is to limit the valid modes
[09:24] <tepsipakki> err, seems that we do in fact have 1.3.0
[09:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91515 in nautilus (main) "ctrl-z makes Nautilus exit (dup-of: 23244)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91515
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91591 in xorg (main) "X server crashes on resolution change" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91591
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91603 in xorg-server (main) "Xorg crashed when opening default GNOME session (also failsafe) from GDM" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91603
[02:20] <crimsun> tepsipakki: do you plan to request a sync of xserver-xorg-video-intel?
[02:21] <crimsun> oh, I guess that's out of the question due to xorg-server. N/m.
[02:25] <tepsipakki> it does compile with 1.2 but it needs some headers copied from the xorg-server sources..
[02:25] <tepsipakki> so a sync is not possible
[02:31] <crimsun> right
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91652 in xrdb (main) "reported crash on login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91652
[03:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91665 in mesa (main) "glxgears -iacknowledgethisisnotabenchmark patch dropped" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91665
[05:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91307 in xorg (main) "Debconf error while apt-get dist-upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91307
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91699 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (main) "FTBFS with current xorg headers" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91699
[07:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91706 in xorg (main) "Kubuntu Feisty Herd 5: Logging out from second x-session causes garbled screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91706
[07:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #90291 in compiz (main) "Window rendering freezes sometimes with Desktop Effects (dup-of: 89870)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90291
[10:34] <Ubugtu> New bug: #91586 in xorg (universe) "dual monitor (mergedfb) stopped working after update in 7.04 approx from 27 february" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91586


[14:15] <zerous> hi :)
[14:16] <zerous> I have been using ubuntu for a year now and I would like to know if I could help with the packaging phase.
[14:16] <zerous> I have been learning bash in my spare time too. I just wanted to know if I could get a shot at this.
[14:19] <knome> #ubuntu-devel would probably be better to ask about getting involved with development (including packaging), and there's also some good pointers at http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/developers/package-maintenance/
[14:26] <zerous> oh
[14:26] <zerous> I shall read about it. thanks :)
[15:59] <zerous> I am trying to get the list of packages which have unmet dependencies using debcheck.py but it throws an I/O error : no such file or directory: 'debcheck.tmpl'
[15:59] <zerous> I have tried googling about this but I didn't get any valid results.


[00:23] <jono> Nafai, hey
[00:23] <Nafai> Hey jono
[00:23] <Nafai> I was just working on an e-mail to y'all :)
[00:25] <jono> Nafai, awesome
[00:25] <jono> I will wait for that :-)
[00:30] <Nafai> sent
[00:32] <jono> Nafai, thanks, in future could you also copy in Rick Spencer
[00:32] <jono> thanks!
[00:32] <Nafai> oh, sure
[00:32] <Nafai> want me to forward today's to him?
[00:33] <Nafai> anything else you wanted, or just a status report? :)
[00:34] <jono> I forwarded it to him
[00:34] <jono> nope, just a status is good, thanks!
[00:36] <Nafai> sweet
[08:10] <jono> hey murrayc
[08:16] <murrayc> hey jono
[09:11] <jono> jpetersen, hey!
[09:15] <jpetersen> hi jono
[09:17] <jono> hey jpetersen
[09:17] <jono> welcome!
[09:17] <jono> :)
[09:18] <jpetersen> thanks :)
[09:18] <jono> jpetersen, I am just sending you a mail right now with the next set of apps
[09:18] <jpetersen> jono, ok
[09:18] <jono> :)
[09:21] <murrayc> jono: Don't get disconcerted by jpetersen's ueber-efficiency. He tends to just get stuff done, usually perfect the first time, without talking much about it.
[09:22] <murrayc> It weirds me out when he just does what I ask.
[09:22] <jono> lol
[09:22] <jono> sounds good to me :)
[09:31] <jono> jpetersen, ok, so in a nutshell we are shooting for your three apps being done in a week
[09:31] <jono> I know you are still pretty new, so let me know if there are any blockers
[09:32] <jpetersen> jono, ok sounds good
[09:33] <jono> thanks jpetersen, murrayc
[09:33] <jono> ok, I am heading to bed :)
[13:53] <Nafai> Good morning, reporting for duty :)
[13:58] <kenvandine> Nafai, hey great work on brasero
[13:59] <Nafai> Thanks
[13:59] <Nafai> Looking forward to any comments :)
[13:59] <kenvandine> Nafai, i haven't built it, but writing up a little feedback
[13:59] <kenvandine> the autofoo stuff :)
[13:59] <Nafai> Thanks
[13:59] <Nafai> brb, restarting with latest updates
[14:04] <Nafai> back
[14:04] <Nafai> Love how fast things restart
[14:07] <Nafai> tedg: About to test with the latest updates
[14:12] <tedg> Nafai: Cool, ping me if there are issues
[14:12] <Nafai> Sure thing
[14:13] <Nafai> tedg: Yay, your fix worked!
[14:13] <kenvandine> i made it a enable arg and tweaking naming to match upstream's style
[14:13] <Nafai> kenvandine: I'll have a patch available soon for gnome-control-center
[14:13] <Nafai> After I make changes there based on your feedback for brasero
[14:14] <kenvandine> Nafai, upstreams can be picky, so following their conventions can be important, depending on the project
[14:14] <Nafai> Right, I admit I just wanted the autoconf foo to work, I'll be more particular in the future :)
[14:14] <kenvandine> also i would say if it is common code between both the tray and the indicator stuff you should probably pull that out into a separate file
[14:15] <kenvandine> i am sure upstream would appreciate that
[14:15] <kenvandine> but what you have should work... but maintainability would be better if it was moved
[14:15] <Nafai> Yeah, shouldn't take too long to do
[14:15] <kenvandine> Nafai, no worries, just trying to spread some of my experiences with upstreams :)
[14:16] <kenvandine> not all upstreams are as awesome as tedg to work with :)
[14:16]  * kenvandine looks for brownie points before nagging about the duplicate menus :-p
[14:16] <Nafai> No, I appreciate it
[14:16] <tedg> kenvandine: It's fixed in trunk ;)
[14:16] <kenvandine> woot!
[14:16] <kenvandine> i am worried it might be masking other bugs :)
[14:17] <tedg> kenvandine: Actually, that's untrue -- it needs a review first.
[14:17] <kenvandine> dbusmenu?
[14:17]  * kenvandine can do a patch to test it :)
[14:17] <kenvandine> link me
[14:19]  * tedg is trying -- but really just yelling at LP to be faster.
[14:19] <tedg> kenvandine: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/dbusmenu/menu-repeat-repeat-repeat
[14:20] <tedg> kenvandine: There still is some repeating in the Messaging Menu, but I think that's there, not in dbusmenu.
[14:21] <kenvandine> ok
[14:21] <kenvandine> i really want to verify that my code actually works :)
[14:22] <kenvandine> tedg, also... i suspect this is a different bug
[14:22] <kenvandine> but if you try to restart indicator-messages-service when something is in the indicator... it crashes
[14:22] <kenvandine> i just found that this morning
[14:23] <tedg> kenvandine: Yes, there are a few... let me get some patches out :)
[14:23] <kenvandine> start empathy and "illall indicator-messages-service; killall indicator-applet; /usr/lib/indicator-messages/indicator-messages-service
[14:23] <kenvandine> ok... so known :)
[14:24] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/372510/
[14:24] <kenvandine> in case that helps
[14:24] <kenvandine> hopefully it is known and fixed :)
[14:25] <kenvandine> i am also seeing this output from indicator-messages-service
[14:25] <kenvandine> (process:15198): libindicate-WARNING **: Unable to get property data: Method invoked for GetIndicatorProperty returned FALSE but did not set error
[14:25]  * kenvandine wonders if that is his code
[14:25] <kenvandine> tedg, ^^
[14:26] <Nafai> kenvandine: I should have an updated patch with the autoconf changes and the common stuff refactored out this morning
[14:26] <Nafai> Plus a patch for gnome-control-center :)
[14:26] <Nafai> And then I'm about halfway through gnome-bluetooth
[14:26] <Nafai> So prepare to be inundated with patches
[14:26] <tedg> kenvandine: I've seen a few of those.  I think it's review-notifier right now... but I haven't looked into that one much yet.
[14:27] <kenvandine> Nafai, awesome
[14:27] <kenvandine> tedg: review-notifier?
[14:29] <tedg> kenvandine: The LP review thingy that dobey wrote.  I think it's in lp-tools.
[14:30] <kenvandine> oh, i am not running that
[14:30] <kenvandine> so maybe it is one of the things i wrote
[14:31] <kenvandine> i have gwibber, xchat-gnome, empathy and evo in the indicator
[14:32] <tedg> kenvandine: Possible.  It usually happens with timeouts.  If you don't make it back to the mainloop in 500 ms, I think that'll cause it.
[14:32] <tedg> kenvandine: Though, now that I'm seeing it more than usual, I'm a bit suspicious if it isn't a libindicate bug.
[14:33] <tedg> kenvandine: So don't spend too much time on it before I get a chance to look into it.
[14:33] <kenvandine> ok
[14:33] <kenvandine> i won't :)
[14:33] <jcastro> good morning
[14:34] <Nafai> Morning jcastro
[14:34] <jcastro> a community guy went out and finished Transmission yesterday
[14:35] <jcastro> http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/2873
[14:35] <jcastro> !
[14:37] <Nafai> Nice!
[14:38] <jcastro> Nafai: ok so is ken done reviewing the brasero patch?
[14:39] <Nafai> I think so, not sure how closely he's looked at the code itself
[14:40] <Nafai> I'm really unsure how to best move common stuff out, since the functions that are common have stuff in the middle of the functions that are the same, but other parts that are not :(
[14:43] <jcastro> Nafai: ok, what's the status of bluetooth?
[14:43] <jcastro> (just updating all the statuses since I've been gone)
[14:44] <Nafai> I'd say about 50%, the menus are built on the fly there it seems so I'll have to read through the code and see if there are any issues
[14:44] <jcastro> ok
[14:44] <Nafai> I just tested tedg's changes, and g-c-c is working.  If we are find with green -> red -> lock, then I just need to tweak my autoconf foo to be more acceptable upstream and that is ready
[14:46] <jcastro> ok so we can probably send the patches to brasero, and g-c-c later today pending review?
[14:46] <Nafai> Yeah
[14:46] <jcastro> ok, and after that you're doing vino?
[14:46] <Nafai> Would brasero upstream be willing to give me advice on how to make the patch better?
[14:46] <jcastro> after bluetooth I mean
[14:46] <Nafai> That's the plan
[14:46] <jcastro> yeah, after your initial review with ken I'll ask luis to look at it
[14:46] <jcastro> and then he can review it
[14:46] <Nafai> Thanks
[14:47] <Nafai> I know there are some improvements that could be done to improve maintainability/reduce code duplication but I'm unsure of the best way to attack it
[14:47] <Nafai> kenvandine: Should I attach an updated patch with your autoconf changes included?
[14:48] <kenvandine> yes
[14:48] <seb128> I can review the g-c-c one
[14:48] <seb128> Nafai, please don't run autoconf in the same patch if that's what you suggested
[14:48] <jcastro> wook, upstream onboard (the onscreen keyboard) just committed a fix for app indicators
[14:49] <seb128> fix?
[14:49] <jcastro> the ported their own app
[14:49] <seb128> they have a patch for it upstream already?
[14:49] <jcastro> already upstream
[14:49] <jcastro> no release for lucid yet though
[14:49] <Nafai> seb128: hrm?
[14:52] <seb128> jcastro, ok
[14:52] <seb128> Nafai, hrm? to you too ;-)
[14:53] <Nafai> I was confused by what you meant.  Ken gave me some changes to the configure.in changes I had and I'm updating my overall patch to reflect that
[14:53] <Nafai> My patch doesn't include anything generated by autoconf, if that's what you meant :)
[14:54] <jpetersen> I attached a patch for gnome-power-manager lp#497870
[14:54]  * jcastro is overwhelmed updating the statuses. :D
[14:54] <seb128> Nafai, yes that's what I meant
[14:55] <Nafai> ok, cool
[14:55] <jcastro> jpetersen: bah, I messed that one up and I don't think I filed a gnome upstream bug for it, when it's ready can you file a gnome upstream bug?
[14:55] <jpetersen> jcastro, yes i can do
[15:03] <jcastro> jpetersen: hughsie prefers patches sent to the g-p-m mailing list btw.
[15:03] <jcastro> jpetersen: also, getting it blessed as an external dep is important to him, I've made a note of it
[15:03] <jcastro> but I've explained that we'll be carrying the patch for a cycle
[15:03] <jpetersen> jcastro, ok
[15:04] <jcastro> tedg: when does the window open to propose external deps for the next GNOME cycle?
[15:09] <jpetersen> i am looking at gnome-media now, which is basically the volume control
[15:09]  * jcastro nods
[15:09] <tedg> jcastro: I don't remember, I believe it starts right when the release leaves.
[15:09] <tedg> jcastro: Think of it as an excuse to talk to vuntz ;)
[15:10] <jpetersen> Any idea how to map the slider widget? (GtkVScale)
[15:11] <seb128> hum
[15:11] <seb128> jpetersen, you attached your gpm change to gnome-media
[15:11] <seb128> bug #497870
[15:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 497870 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Support Application Indicators (affects: 1)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497870
[15:11] <seb128> hum
[15:12] <jcastro> seb128: that's my fault
[15:12] <seb128> why do we have 2 components on a same bug there?
[15:12] <jcastro> that bug is all messed up
[15:12] <jcastro> it was the first one I did and I hosed it
[15:12] <seb128> can we close the gnome-media task
[15:12] <seb128> and open a new bug?
[15:12] <seb128> will be easier to track
[15:12] <jpetersen> that would be fine with me
[15:12] <seb128> than having comment and patches about 2 components in the same bug
[15:15]  * jcastro nods
[15:15] <jcastro> just make sure it's tagged with indicator-application or it drops from my list into the ether of lp
[15:17] <jpetersen> i will just file a new bug for gnome-media
[15:20] <jpetersen> lp#519345
[15:24] <jcastro> jpetersen: ok so you're just waiting on review for g-p-m before sending it up so you're just going to -media next right?
[15:24] <jcastro> jpetersen: Also you know about this page right? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators/ContractorWorkflow
[15:24] <jcastro> jpetersen: I'll need the list of icons for each package you touch
[15:25] <jpetersen> jcastro, Ah no have not seen that page yet
[15:26] <jcastro> feel free to change it to fit reality, so if seb or ken want the assignee to be different or something adjust the page.
[15:29] <jcastro> kenvandine: btw did you upload xchat-gnome to lucid yet?
[15:49] <Nafai> Morning jono!
[15:50] <jono> hey Nafai
[15:51] <seb128> jcastro, I did
[15:51] <seb128> jcastro, and pitti new-ed it today
[15:51] <seb128> jcastro, xchat-indicator that is
[15:51] <seb128> not sure if that's what you meant by xchat-gnome
[15:51] <seb128> or if you mean xchat-gnome itself to activate the indicator by default
[15:52] <jcastro> seb128: I meant xchat-indicator
[15:54] <Nafai> jcastro: Uh, so given mpt's feedback in #ubuntu-desktop, perhaps merely reproducing functionality wasn't exactly what was needed here for brasero :/
[16:14] <Nafai> FYI, I'm back to working on gnome-bluetooth
[16:42] <jono> Nafai, rock and roll :)
[16:42] <jono> jpetersen, how are you getting on?
[16:44] <jpetersen> jono, i am basically done with gnome-power-manager, just testing it after i did a small additional change
[16:44] <jpetersen> jono, and i started to look at gnome-media
[16:44] <jono> jpetersen, awesome :-)
[16:45] <jpetersen> jono, with gnome-media there is the question how to do the volume control scale in app indicators
[16:47] <jpetersen> jono, i mean this slider widget to control the volume
[16:47] <jono> jpetersen, actually ignore gnome-media for now, move onto the next one
[16:47] <jono> we need some design input on it
[16:48] <jpetersen> jono, yes ok
[16:49] <jono> jpetersen, yeah, so focus on  gnome-settings-daemon
[16:49]  * vish notes kenvandine likes and is playing a lot with the memenu ;)
[16:51] <jpetersen> jono, ok i will do
[19:16] <Nafai> kenvandine: Uh, so I clicked "XChat Gnome" in the message indicators thingy...and I launch a new xchat gnome instance
[19:16] <Nafai> s/I launch/it launched/
[19:19] <seb128> kenvandine, ^
[19:30] <qense> I've got a problem with Indicator Application (C implementation) not using the actions as defined somewhere in the code. Instead it shows GTK+ stock menu items.
[19:30] <qense> What is needed to properly associate the actions with the menu passed to AppIndicator?
[19:31] <qense> I have used  g_object_set_data_full() to associate the ui_manager to the window
[19:39] <jono> Nafai, can you help qense
[19:39] <jono> or tedg can you help him ^
[19:39] <qense> :)
[19:39] <tedg> jono: Considering I have no scrollback :)
 I've got a problem with Indicator Application (C implementation) not using the actions as defined somewhere in the code. Instead it shows GTK+ stock menu items.
[19:40] <qense>  What is needed to properly associate the actions with the menu passed to AppIndicator?
 I have used  g_object_set_data_full() to associate the ui_manager to the window
[19:41] <qense> But somehow the actions aren't used in the menu
[19:42] <qense> tedg: ^^ (I always forget to include people's names when I'm talking to them...)
[19:42] <Nafai> tedg is probably best one to help :)
[19:43] <tedg> qense: It shows stock items or it connects to stock actions?
[19:43] <qense> tedg: both, but I think the stock icons aren't bad.
[19:43] <qense> Weirdly the menu items are defined with just the action and no icon, so it must read something iirc.
[19:44] <qense> They look like this: "<menuitem action='alt-speed-enabled'/>"
[19:44] <qense> and the action are defined from a dictionary/list like is done in the C example of the AppIndicator
[19:45] <tedg> Hmm, I've not done that before.  bratsche ^
[19:45] <qense> The patches as committed to the upstream trunk are here: <http://trac.transmissionbt.com/changeset/10133>
[19:46] <qense> yay! upstream before it's working properly! :S
[19:47] <jono> qense, you are awesome for working on this :)
[19:51] <qense> jono: thank you. But it is just a bit of work and I'm relying a lot on the code samples when programming C since I'm not very familiar with that language, don't give me too much honour. ;)
[20:25] <qense> tedg: It was caused by a bug: the strings were translated with glib's gi18n N_() function.
[20:25] <tedg> qense: Ah, I see.
[20:25] <qense> when I removed that function from around the label the right text was displayed, and even properly localised
[20:25] <tedg> qense: Hmm, but that means that it probably won't be setup to get translated.
[20:26] <tedg> qense: The N_() gets pulled into the .po files.
[20:26] <qense> ah
[20:26] <qense> that's what it's for
[20:26] <qense> ok, then is this a bug in AppIndictor?
[20:27] <qense> tedg: What does N_() do that could hinder Indicator Application?
[20:28] <tedg> qense: Typically it's just a pass through.
[20:28] <tedg> qense: One issue that sometimes comes up is with static strings.
[20:28] <qense> like "static GtkToggleActionEntry  pref_toggle_entries[]"?
[20:28] <qense> that's one of the dictionaries
[20:29] <tedg> qense: I'll sometimes do something like:
[20:29] <tedg> #ifdef N_
[20:29] <tedg> #undef N_
[20:29] <tedg> #endif
[20:29] <tedg> #define N_(x) x
[20:29] <tedg> To get a cleaner pass through.
[20:29] <tedg> You'll need that if you want to do something like:  "bob" N_("alvin") "bob"
[20:30] <qense> ok
[20:33] <qense> tedg: whoops, I was wrong.
[20:33] <qense> That string that worked was already translated. It's not N_()'s fault this time.
[20:33] <qense> painful mistake here :)
[21:41] <Nafai> jono, jcastro: quick update before I head out to my appointment.  I've got my initial version of gnome-bluetooth working, just I need to look over how the menus are created and figure out why app indicators are confused
[21:41] <jono> Nafai, sweet :)
[21:41] <Nafai> jono, jcastro: screenshot http://www.travishartwell.net/gnome-bluetooth.png
[21:42] <Nafai> So, possibly, 65-75% done.  Or possibly more :)
[21:42] <jcastro> \o/
[21:42] <jono> Nafai, great work, thanks for your hard work
[21:42] <Nafai> One thing I have noticed is that app indicators are picking smaller icons (or scaling them smaller) than the previous StatusIcon versions
[21:42] <Nafai> no problem, enjoying it
[21:43] <jcastro> Nafai: yeah that's why we need the icon names
[21:43] <jcastro> so the design people can do the right thing there
[21:43] <Nafai> cool
[21:43] <Nafai> I'll send you an updated list for gnome-bluetooth tonight after I have made sure which icons it uses
[21:44] <Nafai> bbl
[21:45] <jcastro> woo, this is looking sweet
[23:27] <Nafai> back
[23:27] <Nafai> tedg: You around?


[04:07] <guiverc> should https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2021-March/005930.html go to fridge?  (16.04 ESM commencing April 30, 2021)  It's also a warning of 16.04 LTS reaching end-of-standard-support(EOL) so I now think yep.
[04:12] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Me thinks dissemination of ^ can only be good - the more exposure the better.
[04:14] <guiverc> when I saw it hit my inbox it didn't interest me, now doing UWN I think it belongs (we sometimes do EOL warning messasges for std releases, always for LTS & that's how it reads to me)
[04:14]  * guiverc is editing it now in mousepad for paste into fridge
[04:25] <guiverc> ready for review... marked for PLANET only (not release) https://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=9158
[04:28]  * guiverc just discovers I can change the 'author' to not me,
[04:29] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I changed the URL to ubuntu-announce, not ubuntu-security-announce as per UWN; want UWN changed too?
[04:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - ubuntu-announce rings better :D
[08:33] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: David Tomaschik: BSidesSF 2021 CTF: Net Matroyshka (Author Writeup) @ https://systemoverlord.com/2021/03/12/bsidessf-2021-ctf-net-matroyshka-author-writeup.html
[11:04] <guiverc> ^ ready for review... marked for PLANET only (not release) https://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=9158
[18:03] <kryten> u3
[18:03] <kryten> Ugh..
[21:30] <guiverc> thanks kryten
[21:31] <kryten> Sure!  Thank you for preparing it!
[21:31] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/03/13/extended-security-maintenance-for-ubuntu-16-04-xenial-xerus-begins-april-30-2021/
[21:32] <guiverc> i take it you added news & release
[21:32] <kryten> Yep, as written in the memo you just read.
[21:33]  * guiverc picked the first one I found as template; 12.10 I think which was planet only..
[21:33] <guiverc> Yes sorry you did; I didn't see the significance when I read it (not had coffee yet), only noticed later sorry
[21:34] <guiverc> thanks kryten
[21:34] <kryten> And I thought about just publishing it after editing, but since you've done all the work that didn't feel right, and I knew it shouldn't be that long for you to get online.. >_>
[21:35] <guiverc> you could have published.. do you want me to do social media.. i often don't for pre-EOL notices
[21:35] <kryten> Naw, I think that policy is fine.
[21:38] <Bashing-om> Gdoc - Nothing new found to add - editing/polish completed on what we have.
[22:00] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Extended Security Maintenance for Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus) begins April 30 2021 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/03/13/extended-security-maintenance-for-ubuntu-16-04-xenial-xerus-begins-april-30-2021/
[22:36] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om (I don't think I returned to re-read what I put, so thanks!)
[22:38] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Other-sight is a good thing - I too expect same when I write :P
[23:10] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Are you happy with Gdoc - what we will present to the world - your name is on it :D
[23:43] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Alan Pope: Book Review: We Are Legion (We Are Bob) @ https://popey.com/blog/2021/03/book-review-we-are-legion-we-are-bob/


[00:10] <HulkH> HEllo
[00:10] <HulkH> I have a samsung young s6312 mobile phone
[00:11] <HulkH> I want to install ubuntu on it
[00:11] <HulkH> will Ubuntu perform well on it?
[00:17] <kenvandine> mzanetti, awesome!
[00:31] <kenvandine> mzanetti, works great, thanks!
[00:37] <nhaines> HulkH: that phone isn't supported, so you'll need to ask the community developers doing the port.  If a port is available, you can find the only information we have here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[00:37] <HulkH> thanks nhaines
[00:37] <HulkH> does Ubuntu touch have an App store like Android?
[00:38] <nhaines> Yes, it's called the Ubuntu App Store.
[00:38] <HulkH> how many apps in that store?
[00:38] <nhaines> 553 apps, 1006 webapps, and 204 scopes.
[00:39] <HulkH> That's not bad
[00:41] <HulkH> Oh I checked the ubuntu App store
[00:42] <HulkH> nhaines, many apps aren't free though
[00:42] <HulkH> very few are free
[00:42] <HulkH> especially in books and magazines
[00:42] <kenvandine> HulkH, most of them are free
[00:42] <nhaines> I don't understand what that means.  Most apps are free.
[00:42] <HulkH> that's good
[06:33] <tuttle955i> Hello, should I report my observations and general expeience here?
[09:18] <abeato> Laney, morning, I've just created a new MP for plugins-bad to use GError in hybris in the same way as in androidmedia. Please take a look but do not just merge yet because I'd like jhodapp to take a look too
[09:22] <Laney> hi abeato, good stuff
[09:22] <Laney> can we put this in in a second round?
[09:22] <Laney> I want to get 1.5 out to wily soon
[09:22] <abeato> Laney, sure
[09:23] <abeato> I'll ask jhodapp this afternoon about the testing
[09:26] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Tequila Day! 😃
[10:50] <m0n5t3r> hi
[10:51] <m0n5t3r> anyone familiar with the internals of the OS?
[10:52] <m0n5t3r> I have a BQ Aquaris E4.5, and cellular settings stopped loading (also, no sim seems to be detected)
[10:53] <conyoo|AW> m0n5t3r, http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/07/hacking-ubuntu-touch-index/
[10:53] <m0n5t3r> but /system/bin/logcat -b radio shows both sims are recognised
[10:53] <m0n5t3r> conyoo|AW: thanks, will dive into it
[10:54] <conyoo|AW> have fun
[10:54] <conyoo|AW> :P
[11:13] <jgdx> m0n5t3r, do you have a shell on your phone? (adb)
[11:14] <m0n5t3r> jgdx: even better, ssh :)
[11:15] <jgdx> m0n5t3r, great. There's a script, /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems, which could give you some useful information.
[11:16] <jgdx> I think it has anonymous output as well. Mind outputting it here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ ?
[11:16] <m0n5t3r> Service org.ofono not found on DBus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.ofono was not provided by any .service files
[11:16] <m0n5t3r> hm...
[11:18] <m0n5t3r> ofonod seems to be running
[11:19] <jgdx> m0n5t3r, does this persist over reboots?
[11:20] <m0n5t3r> I rebooted 10 minutes ago
[11:21] <m0n5t3r> dbus seems fine (dbus-monitor --system shows periodic stuff from powerd)
[11:21] <jgdx> m0n5t3r, look in the syslog for output from ofonod
[11:33] <m0n5t3r> mkay, so after reboot ofonod is not running
[11:33] <m0n5t3r> if I start it by hand I see stuff from network-manager in syslog saying it has found the data connection
[11:34] <m0n5t3r> ... and unity freezes, lol
[11:35] <ogra_> wow, what did you do to your device ?
[11:36] <m0n5t3r> me? nothing, just installed some basics (vim, tinc vpn, an if-up script to add static routes to the vpn endpoints)
[11:36] <ogra_> so you made the device writable ?
[11:36] <m0n5t3r> ... and enabled ssh
[11:36] <m0n5t3r> yes, and then I made it read-only again
[11:36] <ogra_> well, that might explain it
[11:36] <m0n5t3r> why?
[11:36] <m0n5t3r> the last OTA installed just fine
[11:37] <ogra_> dunno, if you installed stuff on the readonly system packages you installed could have changed bits there
[11:37] <m0n5t3r> and the issue appeared before it
[11:37] <m0n5t3r> ... and the sim was working, I tested the VPN
[11:39] <ogra_> (btw, there is no need to make anything writable to enable ssh and you should use a chroot or lxc container to install dpkg packages ... there is no way to support you or take any bugs seriously from you after you canhed the readonyl bits)
[11:39] <ogra_> *changed
[11:42] <m0n5t3r> I know I don't need writable image for ssh (the script just sets a system property)
[11:43] <ogra_> right
[12:52] <abeato> Laney, jhodapp says we are ready to land gstreamer 1.5
[12:52] <pop_> exit
[12:53] <abeato> Laney, don't we need to fill the "Additional source packages to land" field in the spreadsheet?
[12:57] <Laney> abeato: yeah, can just do that and reconfigure it
[13:07] <mandel> kenvandine, I don't quite understand what is going on with silo 09, do you?
[13:11] <kenvandine> mandel, udm and the click scope are stuck in wily-proposed
[13:11] <kenvandine> not sure why
[13:12] <kenvandine> the autopkgtests show as running for the click scope, but the job was done
[13:12] <kenvandine> so i kicked another job
[13:12] <kenvandine> mandel, ^^
[13:12] <mandel> kenvandine, ok, I was just wondering if that was the way to go, I was very tempted
[13:12] <mandel> kenvandine, lets see what happens..
[13:12] <seb128> kenvandine, because it seems it didn't see that the unity-scope-click autopkgtests are done running
[13:12] <seb128> Laney, ^ do you know who can help with that?
[13:13] <seb128> jibel, ^
[13:13] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah, not sure why it wouldn't notice the tests finished
[13:13] <seb128> bug
[13:13] <kenvandine> i'm hoping another run will work :)
[13:13] <kenvandine> amd64 tests just passed
[13:13] <seb128> oh, you did a retry?
[13:13] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:13] <seb128> let's see
[13:13] <kenvandine> i386 are running now
[13:22] <matv1> jdstrand hi I am trying to get the jist of the discussion about xmlhttp request from within a qml app. specifically the mailinglist discusion started by bogdan cuza.
[13:22] <kenvandine> mandel, how's silo 17?  did you start testing that?
[13:22] <matv1> jdstrand I am correct in understand that xmlhttp requests from a qml app will not work in an apparmor confined environment?
[13:25] <mandel> kenvandine, yes, but I did not get udm to work.. but I'm a little confuse, if we are doing a sync, is that comming from wily or from silo 09?
[13:25] <mandel> kenvandine, I'm getting SIGILL in gdb, so looking into what exactly is going on
[13:26] <kenvandine> mandel, it was a sync from silo 9
[13:26] <kenvandine> of the source that is
[13:26] <kenvandine> and rebuilt
[13:26] <mandel> kenvandine, then something is going on there and is not working on vivid, I'm looking into it
[13:26] <kenvandine> bummer
[13:26] <kenvandine> ok
[13:28] <mandel> kenvandine, weird SIGILL there.. no idea why
[13:35]  * mandel lunch
[13:57] <seb128> jdstrand, hey, do you know if those apparmor DENIED are known and if not where they should be reported? (that's from my bq on rc-proposed channel)
[13:57] <seb128> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11930351/
[13:59] <seb128> also
[13:59] <seb128>  operation="open" profile="com.canonical.scopes.bbc_bbc_1.8.4" name="/dev/tty" pid=27592 comm=517420626561726572207468726561 requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=32011 ouid=0
[14:12] <dhbiker> hello
[14:13] <dhbiker> anyone here running MX4 ?
[14:16] <jdstrand> seb128: the telegram one is known. karni is working on it. the timeout one is bug #1376408. the tty one is harmless and likely the scope trying to write to stderr, possibly because of 1376408
[14:17] <jdstrand> the tasks ones is likely the same as the telegram one
[14:17] <jdstrand> one*
[14:17] <seb128> jdstrand, ok, thanks
[14:18] <matv1> dhbiker too general. Just ask what you want to know specifically
[14:18] <jdstrand> fwiw, karni said the telegram ones were likely not a problem
[14:18] <davidcalle> jdstrand, do you mean that installed scopes shouldn't try to write to stderr? Are there negatve consequences (except that log?)
[14:18] <jdstrand> it isn't so much the writing to stderr as it is having to allow access to /dev/tty and pts
[14:19] <seb128> jdstrand, k, I had issues where apps didn't notice that the device was not connected and I was trying to see if it was an issue with apparmor/similar to the issue discussed on the list
[14:19] <dhbiker> matv1, based on the reviews i was trying to ask if its really overheating (as 40+ C ) and battery life is also a factor for me
[14:19] <seb128> seems it was not and transient but I noticed those errors so decided to ask about them
[14:19] <seb128> jdstrand, thanks for the replies!
[14:19] <davidcalle> jdstrand, ok, thanks :)
[14:19] <ogra_> dhbiker, all these reviews were done before the first SW update
[14:19] <jdstrand> seb128: thart might be bug #1404188
[14:20] <seb128> jdstrand, yeah, that's the "bug discussed on the list" I was referring to
[14:20] <jdstrand> all of a sudden something that has been working for ages seems to be a problem
[14:20] <dhbiker> ogra_ 5th of july is what im looking at so then the issues are fixed ? :D
[14:20] <ogra_> dhbiker, battery life today is between 24 and 40h depending on your usage, the device still gets warm at times but far from as hot as before the first update
[14:20] <dhbiker> sweet thanks for your reply ogra_
[14:21] <ogra_> and in ~6 weeks you get the next OTA
[14:21] <dhbiker> i was on N900.... went to lolipop and now im back in linux based phones
[14:21] <dhbiker> kinda miss them :D
[14:25] <mandel> kenvandine, does this mean is done => https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/check-publication-migration/136935/console
[14:25] <mandel> kenvandine, when was the job kicked?
[14:25] <kenvandine> 2015-07-24 14:21:04,172 INFO ubuntu-download-manager: Proposed pocket
[14:25] <kenvandine> mandel, so no
[14:26] <kenvandine> and it's still on the excuses page
[14:26]  * kenvandine grumbles
[14:26] <kenvandine> Laney, ^^ any idea why it think's a test that's finished is still in progress?
[14:27] <kenvandine> Laney, ubuntu-download-manager on the excuses page, the test in question is unity-scope-click
[14:28] <kenvandine> mandel any progress on silo 17?
[14:29] <mandel> kenvandine, just got out of the standup, I can easily reproduce it, loaded the debug symbols and looking at the exact issue
[14:30] <Laney> kenvandine: have you tried to get hold of jibel?
[14:30] <kenvandine> mandel, thx, we're anxious to get started landing the APN editor :)
[14:30] <mandel> kenvandine, doing it as fast as possible :)
[14:31] <kenvandine> Laney, seb128 tried to highlight him earlier
[14:31] <kenvandine> mandel, understood, thx
[14:31] <mandel> kenvandine, and, yay! apn editor!
[14:31] <Laney> kenvandine: I don't know about this, all I can do is skip it
[14:31] <kenvandine> jibel, can you help figure out why ubuntu-download-manager isn't migrating in wily?
[14:31] <Laney> but if it's broken, presumably would be a good idea to figure out why
[14:31] <seb128> Laney, can you skip the lava-server one?
[14:31] <Laney> why?
[14:31] <kenvandine> Laney, yeah... the tests passed it just thinks they are still running
[14:32] <seb128> Laney, it's blocking a bunch of things and from the history it seems like it never worked (or not as far as the history go back)
[14:32] <seb128> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-adt-lava-server/
[14:32] <seb128> like devscripts is blocked by it
[14:33] <seb128> and it's pretty sure the issue is irelevant
[14:38] <mandel> kenvandine, udm works with content-hub and the webbrowser (download and img) but the downloads do nothing in the system settings app, any way to debug this?
[14:38] <mandel> kenvandine, logs or something of the kind
[14:38] <kenvandine> there is a log in .cache/upstart/
[14:39] <kenvandine> mandel, oh... i bet i know why!
[14:40] <mandel> kenvandine, shoot!
[14:40] <kenvandine> settings wasn't built after udm!
[14:40] <mandel> kenvandine, ha, that is the reason1
[14:40]  * kenvandine forces a rebuild
[14:40] <mandel> kenvandine, I'm like 100% sure
[14:40] <kenvandine> unity-scope-click too
[14:40] <kenvandine> content-hub was though
[14:40] <mandel> kenvandine, which would have the same problem.. yay for ABI changes
[14:40] <mandel> kenvandine, I though we did the rebuild, no problem then, lets wait and if it works we are good to go :)
[14:41] <mandel> kenvandine, the SIGILL is comming from openssl, so we can ignore it
[14:41] <kenvandine> mandel, we did rebuild it
[14:41] <kenvandine> but it didn't build in order in the silo
[14:41] <kenvandine> it built in parallel
[14:41] <kenvandine> so those built against the archive version of udm
[14:41] <mandel> kenvandine, oh.. well :-/
[14:41] <mandel> kenvandine, nothing hard to fix :)
[14:42] <kenvandine> i forced a rebuild of everything except udm
[14:42] <mandel> kenvandine, waisted some brain cycles, but those are "free"
[14:42] <kenvandine> so those will build against it :)
[14:42] <kenvandine> haha
[14:42] <mandel> kenvandine, superb, I'll walk the dogs (takes less than the build) will test and wll hopefully +1 the silo
[14:43] <matv1> Very solid and favorable review on businessinsider.com this week. Way to go guys :)
[14:45] <matv1> http://www.businessinsider.com/meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-review-2015-7?r=UK&IR=T
[14:59] <jibel> kenvandine, I'll have a look
[14:59] <kenvandine> jibel, thx!
[15:15] <Laney> abeato: jhodapp: good to go?
[15:15] <jhodapp> Laney, just about, rebuilding quickly
[15:15] <Laney> why/
[15:16] <jhodapp> Laney, had a superseded MR in that silo
[15:16] <abeato> an issue with the MP, which was superseded
[15:16] <Laney> oh right
[15:34] <kalikiana> meh, every once in a while I forget the location input in unity7 is broken and I get so frustrated trying to add stuff
[15:34] <kalikiana> and after 10min as usual I realize "ah, right" and set it to manual again
[15:38] <abeato> Laney, jhodapp media-hub is rebuilt, I made a quick test and all seems fine, I think we are good to go
[15:38] <Laney> weeeee
[15:46] <Laney> abeato: jhodapp: it flies free
[15:47] <abeato> \o/
[15:48] <Laney> I need to do the libvpx rebuilds too
[15:48] <Laney> it won't get out of proposed until after that
[15:50] <kenvandine> mandel, silo 17 built
[15:53] <jibel> kenvandine, mandel u-d-m should be unblocked now
[15:53] <kenvandine> jibel, thx!
[15:54] <jibel> and gconf too
[16:09] <jhodapp> Laney, awesome
[16:14] <mandel> jibel, awesome
[16:14] <mandel> kenvandine, testing
[16:14] <mandel> jibel, what was happening with udm? out of curiosity
[16:23] <jibel> mandel, unity-scope-click was marked 'in progress' because the tests failed to match the version of the packages in the test request and the test result. In this case the test results are discarded because there is no way to know if they correspond to this request or not. Restarting the job fixes it most of the time, otherwise fixing the version manually is fine after verifying that the version the test
[16:23] <jibel> ran against are correct (and not older than requested)
[16:24] <jibel> and since unity-scope-click depends on u-d-m it was blocking it
[16:24] <mandel> ok
[16:24] <mandel> thx
[16:32] <mandel> jibel, one small question, the version of the so for udm was bumped to be 1, how do I tell ci to bump it in the changelog, or should I do it manually?
[16:37] <irssi> any idea how to debug this: ubuntu-device-flash --bootstrap --wipe, etc. finishes correctly, then the phone reboots, shows spinning logo for a while, reboots again and then just displays the bq logo forever?
[16:37] <irssi> (BQ aquaris e4.5, stable channel)
[16:38] <irssi> adb devices sees it, but says it's offline
[16:38] <jibel> mandel, no idea :)
[16:38] <irssi> damn, forgot to change the nick
[16:38] <ogra_>  --bootstrap --wipe is definitely redundant :)
[16:39] <ogra_> you want either or ...
[16:39] <m0n5t3r> sorry 'bout that
[16:39] <m0n5t3r> ok, will try again then
[16:39] <ogra_> (just drop the wipe
[16:39] <ogra_> )
[16:40] <ogra_> and indeed, make sure to have the right recovery.img (and to use the --recovery-img option with it)
[16:43] <m0n5t3r> I have this one: http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/recovery.img (suggested by http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/05/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-1-ubuntu-device-flash/)
[16:44] <ogra_> yeah, that should be fine
[16:45] <m0n5t3r> flashed again, same thing: pushes the files, reboots into recovery, recovery does its thing and reboots again, it is stuck at the boot logo
[16:45] <m0n5t3r> a serial port would be useful :)
[16:46] <ogra_> using --bootstrap ?
[16:46] <m0n5t3r> yes
[16:46] <ogra_> and what channel ?
[16:47] <ogra_> can i see your complete command ?
[16:47] <m0n5t3r> ubuntu-device-flash touch --bootstrap --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --recovery-image=/tmp/recovery.img
[16:48] <ogra_> hmm, that looks all fine
[16:48] <kenvandine> Elleo, any progress on the autopilot keyboard issue?
[16:49] <m0n5t3r> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11931064/
[16:50] <ogra_> m0n5t3r, yeah, nothing wrong with that ... and you see the spinner with the weird progressbar after that ?
[16:51] <m0n5t3r> yes, and then it reboots
[16:51] <ogra_> (i.e. after it rebooted in recovery)
[16:51] <m0n5t3r> yes
[16:52] <ogra_> how long did you give it at the white logo ?
[16:52] <ogra_> it might have to regenerate all apparmor profiles ... that can take quite some time
[16:52] <m0n5t3r> it's been there for more than 5 minutes already
[16:52] <ogra_> give it ten more
[16:52] <m0n5t3r> ok
[16:53] <m0n5t3r> I'm on a train and signel is getting spotty, I'll leave it like this and see if it starts eventually
[16:53] <m0n5t3r> thanks
[16:53] <ogra_> yeah
[16:54] <ogra_> the apparmor stuff can be a pain of first boot
[16:56] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, it's in silo 2 now if you fancy testing it, only fixes the SHIFT <-> CAPITAL state issue though
[16:57] <kenvandine> ah, not the SYMBOLS ?
[16:57] <Elleo> kenvandine: no, that's a different issue (that I'm not really clear on the cause of yet)
[16:58] <kenvandine> ok, i can try it though :)
[16:58] <kenvandine> thx!
[17:16] <thebishop> Hi All, Is ubuntu touch likely to work seamlessly with the new ASUS Chromebook Flip?  I love the idea of swapping between desktop unity and touch UI
[17:17] <popey> thebishop: never heard of that device
[17:19] <thebishop> popey, it's just coming out, though it is based on a fairly common rockchip chipset.  I don't care so much if it literally works today. Just that these hybrid convertible devices will be able to flip between desktop/touch mode
[17:20] <popey> sounds fun :)
[17:20] <popey> thebishop: someone who has one would need to port it
[17:21] <kenvandine> Elleo, ok, i tried it but can't say if it's better or not... since i have the SYMBOLS <-> CHARACTERS issue :/
[17:23] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, you can manually test the thing its fixed by tapping shift, then a key then shift again within 400ms (before it'd end up in caps, now it ends in shift), but it won't help with the symbol switch
[17:24] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:27] <alin> so is there any way to reflash an ubuntu meizu?
[17:37] <jgdx> alin, if you have an ubuntu desktop it's a breeze
[17:38] <alin> jgdx: I do not this is the issue...
[17:39] <alin> jgdx: and seems to be a little bit of pain in the neck to build the ubuntu-touch-flash on other linuxes
[17:39] <jgdx> alin, what do you want to achieve?
[17:39] <tathhu> "The pull-down has a major flaw, however, in that it's accessible at any time, even on the lock screen. " loool
[17:39] <jgdx> change channels or --wipe?
[17:40] <alin> jgdx: for the moment nothing have a way to reflash the thing if things go wrong
[17:40] <jgdx> tathhu, that doesn't sound right… :=
[17:40] <tathhu> jgdx: reviews a phone and doesn't check settings,, 5/5. :D
[17:40] <jgdx> :)
[17:40] <tathhu> (http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/24/ubuntu-phone-review/)
[17:41] <jgdx> alin, what's going to go wrong?
[17:41] <jgdx> the system is read-only, and a factory reset will factory reset :)
[17:42] <alin> jgdx: when you hack things go wrong...
[17:44] <qxmen31> hello, im going to install ubuntu touch on my android phone( Lenovo A526), and there are several images with different suffixes like "flo" or "generic" and ... . i don't know which image should i download. can anyone help me?
[17:49] <brobostigon> they are all code names for the various hw, like occam/mako for my nexus 4.
[17:51] <qxmen31> well, my phone is Lenovo A526.
[17:51] <qxmen31> i think i gotta choose "generic" , right ?
[17:53] <brobostigon> well, all the images will be hw specific, as all hw is different. if the images dont exist yet for it, it will needed to be ported to that hw.
[17:56] <brobostigon> for example, i could download the nexus7 image, and flash it onto my nexus4, howeve rit wouldnt run as they are spepcific to that hw.
[17:57] <brobostigon> so would need the nexus4 specific image.
[18:00] <qxmen31> brobostigon, and also there are 4 types of images, (boot,recovery,system,touch) . i need all 4 images?
[18:01] <brobostigon> qxmen31: are you looking on system-images.ubuntu.com?
[18:01] <qxmen31> im looking here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[18:03] <brobostigon>  system-image.ubuntu.com i where you should get from.
[18:03] <brobostigon> is*
[18:14] <qxmen31> brobostigon, i don't know which image i should get! and this is the problem :(
[18:16] <brobostigon> qxmen31: as i said, if  an image for your device isnt there, then it is ready to be ported by someone, and that needs to be done.
[18:17] <qxmen31> brobostigon, ok, thanks.
[18:18] <brobostigon> yw qxmen31
[18:19] <brobostigon> qxmen31: as in the example above, dont flash an image that isnt designed speficilly for your device, breakage central.
[18:20] <qxmen31> qxmen31, yes alright.
[18:22] <brobostigon> qxmen31: from what i can see, an image doesnt exist for your phone, so it is ready to be ported by someone.
[18:23] <qxmen31> brobostigon, can i do that by myself? if so , how ?
[18:23] <brobostigon> there is a porting guide link in the channel topic.
[18:26] <qxmen31> brobostigon, ok thanks.
[18:26] <brobostigon> yw, qxmen31
[18:29] <TonyBoston> haha, now that is bad bad bad
[18:30] <TonyBoston> when I plug my aquaris E5 into the computer, with Fedora I can just browse all folders on the device
[18:30] <TonyBoston> same with PC-BSD
[18:30] <TonyBoston> but in Ubuntu
[18:30] <TonyBoston> it can't connect...
[18:30] <TonyBoston> wtf
[18:45] <mardy> kenvandine: hi! DO you have an idea about this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/638911/apparmor-denial-when-trying-to-open-file-using-content-hub
[18:46] <mardy> kenvandine: I think I'm seeing the same problem, but my app is QML
[18:47] <mardy> kenvandine: or maybe it's not the same: I'm seeing this:
[18:47] <mardy> Jul 24 21:31:54 ubuntu-phablet dbus[1798]: apparmor="DENIED" operation="dbus_method_call"  bus="session" path="/" interface="com.ubuntu.content.dbus.Service" member="KnownDestinationsForType" mask="send" name="com.ubuntu.content.dbus.Service" pid=8284 label="it.mardy.ttrss_ttrss_0.5.1-0" peer_pid=6104 peer_label="unconfined"
[18:48] <kenvandine> oh no, someone is using the c++ API
[18:48] <kenvandine> mardy, and you have content_exchange in your policy?
[18:48] <kenvandine> that should allow access to that
[18:50] <mardy> kenvandine: yes, I do; but I just added it. Maybe I need to reboot or something?
[18:53] <kenvandine> yeah... the policy might not have refreshed
[18:53] <kenvandine> if you bump your app version i think it does
[18:53] <kenvandine> and it does on reboot
[18:53] <kenvandine> mardy, ^^
[18:53] <mardy> kenvandine: ok, let me try
[19:16] <JanC> is there no support for webm in the Ubuntu Touch browser?
[19:17] <popey> JanC: there is
[19:18] <popey> JanC: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-07-24-201801.png
[19:18] <popey> thats one playing at the bottom
[19:22] <JanC> hm, then why streamable.com clips aren't playing...
[19:22] <JanC> seems like Android has the same issue
[19:24] <JanC> Chrome-on-Android
[19:31] <NymeriaFr> Hello guys
[19:31] <NymeriaFr> Is someone know if I can use openCV with ubuntu touch ?
[20:11] <popey> Nakanut: i think someone has done that, yes.
[20:14] <Nakanut> Sorry, getting used to this kiwi clinet on the bq


[00:19] <wgrant> That sounds very much like a bug in cgit.
[00:26] <fcuk112> i am a bit confused how to use quilt to patch some code.  do you use quilt after you've created a patch using diff -Nurp old new > test.patch?
[00:36] <directhex> no
[00:38] <fcuk112> the guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems is not very clear.  it talks about editing an existing diff file - what diff file is it talking about?
[01:35] <fcuk112> never mind, i think i got it.
[01:44] <JonyBlaze> when a .install file is used does it preserve permissions?
[01:56] <Laney> it uses cp --parents -dp
[01:56] <Laney> (yes)
[01:56] <Laney> but dh_fixperms will change them
[02:07] <dtchen> ugh, 64-bit-specific asm for arch-any :(
[02:11] <JonyBlaze> Laney: change them to what? a package im trying to fix keeps installing a config file with 644 it should be 600
[02:12] <JonyBlaze> Laney: i chmod'd it in rules but it still gets 644
[02:12] <dtchen> there are unholy ways of fixing permissions
[02:13] <Laney> JonyBlaze: check out the manpage for dh_fixperms
[02:13] <JonyBlaze> ok
[02:13] <Laney> you can exclude
[02:14]  * Laney -> bed
[02:16] <JonyBlaze> ok so i would do that in rules at the call i take it
[02:18] <JonyBlaze> dh_fixperms -X<item> in rules i mean
[02:18] <dtchen> yes
[02:18] <JonyBlaze> thnx
[04:12] <ScottK> Dear everyone:  When you're doing merges, please make sure the Ubuntu diff is still sensible.
[04:12]  * ScottK just filed to sync something we could have been syncing since Jaunty.
[09:36] <LucidFox> Should I wait for a package to enter testing before merging?
[09:45] <randomaction> from u-d-a: "Likewise, package merges from either testing or unstable are perfectly ok, as needed."
[09:49] <LucidFox> So only autosyncs are affected, basically?
[09:49] <geser> yes
[11:41] <Laney> well
[11:41] <Laney> it just means that you should consider it before you take from unstable
[13:36] <ari-tczew> do we prefer rather merge new upstream versions from squeeze (testing) instead merging only debian changes?
[13:37] <DktrKranz> ScottK: have you access to sync-blacklist?
[13:57] <ScottK> DktrKranz: No.  Needs shell access for that.
[13:58] <DktrKranz> :(
[13:58] <DktrKranz> I'll ask james_w or some other a-a tomorrow then, thanks anyway
[14:08] <c_korn> isn't Categories=Science a main category in karmic ? lintian gives me this warning: http://pastebin.com/d61f302e5
[14:14] <wrapster> any idea what this error might mean..?http://pastie.org/688808
[14:14] <wrapster>  here is the prototype_com file @406... first time im handling stuff like these..
[14:19] <c_korn> wrapster: the patch does not apply on the sources.
[14:21] <wrapster> c_korn: ok but why? I mean. what can i infer from this error... like, is it a missing file issue, or compatibility of files issue or stuff like that... could you pls narrow it down a bit.. coz im doing it for the first time.
[14:22] <c_korn> wrapster: open the patch and look what files it changes. then first look if the file it wants to patch exists. if it does take a look at the file which should be patched and find out why it fails to apply.
[14:23] <c_korn> wrapster: do you know what patch system is used ?
[14:23] <wrapster> c_korn: no
[14:23] <wrapster> like i said im just starting... so dont even know where to learn these..
[14:24] <c_korn> wrapster: type "what-patch" in the source directory
[14:25] <wrapster> c_korn: what-patch: command not found? .. in which pkg does this fall? (hg?)
[14:26] <c_korn> wrapster: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools
[14:35] <wrapster> c_korn: the issue here is im on nexetna and ubuntu-dev-tools which deps on dctrl-tools is not present in the repo..so could you please help me with an alternative?
[14:36] <wrapster> sorry for asking it in the wrong forum but im just asking for help... even logistics is good enough to learn...
[14:36] <c_korn> wrapster: ok, do you have the debian/patches directory ?
[14:36] <wrapster> yes
[14:37] <c_korn> wrapster: does it contain a series file ?
[14:38] <wrapster> yes and it also contains this sunw0on-fix(the patch that is causing error)
[14:39] <c_korn> wrapster: fine. so delete the patch and recreate it: quilt delete <patch-name> ; quilt new <patch-name>
[14:40] <wrapster> can i use hg instead of quilt..? coz its already installed.
[14:43] <c_korn> wrapster: you mean mercurial ? this is a version control system. you need a patch system. and quilt is the one which is currently used. it is very simple to use
[14:43] <wrapster> ok.. done.
[14:43] <wrapster> one moment.. pls hang on
[14:44] <wrapster> c_korn: ok i deleted and recreate that patch...
[14:45] <c_korn> wrapster: ok. then open the patch. and run: quilt edit <file the patch wants to edit>
[14:46] <c_korn> then do the changes the patch wants to make.
[14:46] <c_korn> (repeat that with all files the patch wants to change)
[14:46] <c_korn> at the end run: quilt refresh
[14:46] <wrapster> ok
[15:38] <GaryvdM> Hi - I used uscan to download the new version of a package. I then deleted the folder that it created for the new version by mistake, but I still have the .tar.gz - Is there a way that I can get uscan to recreate this folder without redownloaing the .tar.gz?
[15:41] <GaryvdM> Sorry - Nvm - I managed to recover the folder.
[17:09] <JonyBlaze> when can i start making packages for lucid?
[17:12] <Laney> now
[17:14] <JonyBlaze> so send them to REVU with lucid in the control file?
[17:15] <Laney> sure
[17:16] <Laney> finding reviewers is the hard part ;)
[17:16] <JonyBlaze> heh
[17:20] <JonyBlaze> err i ment changelog
[17:21] <JonyBlaze> is that the only change from a karmic package and a lucid package?
[17:23] <mok0> JonyBlaze: yup
[17:24] <mok0> JonyBlaze: unless there are toolchain-induced bugs that need fixing
[17:25] <JonyBlaze> mok0: ok
[17:25] <JonyBlaze> mok0: thnx
[17:34] <JonyBlaze> is it a problem if the upstream source files dont have copyright info in every source file?
[17:59] <eakron> Hello! I'm new to all this but following the excellent session in the Ubuntu Open Week on packaging, I managed to do the example bug fixes and build packages.
[18:00] <eakron> Now I noticed that in launchpad there are alot of sync requests from debian, is that something I could do? And if so, point me in the right direction on it please =)
[18:05] <ari-tczew> eakron: more needed is work on ftbfs and merging
[18:06] <Laney> merges and syncs are part of the same thing
[18:07] <Laney> eakron: try the link in the topic
[18:08] <ari-tczew> Laney: at this cycle's moment, syncs request need status New or Confirmed for sponsors?
[18:08] <ari-tczew> I'm confused
[18:09] <eakron> thank you!
[18:09] <Laney> ari-tczew: new
[18:10] <Laney> sponsors will confirm when subscribing the archive team
[18:10] <ari-tczew> ok
[18:11] <ari-tczew> for merges too?
[18:11] <Laney> they can be confirmed
[18:11] <Laney> please fix the docs if this isnt clear
[18:31] <eakron> Allright, more specifically. I see one of those sync requests, for eg wicd. What should I do, get the debian package, add the ubuntu changelog and set it as ubuntu1, make a debdiff and add it to the sync request?
[18:37] <ari-tczew> eakron: this is merge, not sync
[18:38] <ari-tczew> read wiki.ubuntu.com following sync, merge, contributing, sponsors etc.
[18:39] <eakron> ok, that's just what it was called in launchpad
[18:39] <Laney> there is no diff for a sync
[18:39] <Laney> it means that we take the Debian packag exactly as it is
[18:40] <eakron> but?
[18:40] <Laney> but?!
[18:42] <eakron> I checked out grab-merge, it gives me a warning about revision control. I also noticed somewhere it said I should add the ubuntu changelog to the debian package changelog. Is this not so? (ps I just felt like you were about to say but)
[18:43] <randomaction> eakron: As a contributor, your part of the job is to request a sync. Then it's acked by developers and processed by archive admins.
[18:44] <ari-tczew> eakron: if it's a sync request, please do build test and attach buildlog
[18:44] <eakron> that I think I can do, cool
[18:45] <ari-tczew> but as I said, more to do is merges than syncs
[18:45] <Laney> no
[18:46] <ari-tczew> :-/
[18:46] <Laney> at this point, the merge list is where you find potential syncs
[18:47] <eakron> ok, I'm confused, what's the difference between syncs and merges again?
[18:48] <randomaction> !merge
[18:49] <ari-tczew> e.g. debian has got package called 'x' in version 2.10-1, if Ubuntu doesn't need any changes, then this is sync
[18:49] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[18:49] <Laney> try that
[18:50] <eakron> okay
[19:51] <ThreeOfEight> Hallo, I'm trying to build a package. I've created all necessary files according to the tutorial in the wiki, however, when I try to build it with debuild or dpkg-buildpackage, I get an error from dpkg-source saying something like "Cannot apply changes in (the binary file): Content of binary file has been changed."
[19:53] <ThreeOfEight> The package is for a game a friend of mine has made, I'm trying to only include the binary file for now, to make things easier.
[19:54] <ThreeOfEight> This is a tarball of the directory structure I tried it with: http://baaa.ba.funpic.de/upl/file.php?file=31c44b298e6832c3cd96eb7e63a61074
[19:54] <ThreeOfEight> This is my first time trying to build a package, so I don't know anything about that.
[19:57] <RoAkSoAx> hey guys anyone else has an error similar to this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/313569/ when creating a pbuilder with pbuilder-dist for lucid?
[19:58] <eakron> RoAkSoAx: yeah I had the same error
[20:02] <LaserJock> well, I can't seem to get pbuilder login to work
[20:02] <ari-tczew> just use ppa
[20:03] <RoAkSoAx> ok well it seems that we all have the same problem then... :(
[20:04] <LaserJock> RoAkSoAx: I got that too so I just dist-upgraded a Karmic pbuilder
[20:07] <LaserJock> my problem is pbuilder login doesn't leave me with a shell
[20:07] <RoAkSoAx> LaserJock, ok awesome! I'll try that to see what happens
[20:08] <RoAkSoAx> LaserJock, you mean it shows you something like: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/313577/
[20:10] <LaserJock> RoAkSoAx: yeah, and it just sits there
[20:12] <RoAkSoAx> LaserJock, try executing commands... because in mine sits there.. but i'm still able to execute commands: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/313582/ I'm guessing it's just an error of displaying the prompt
[20:13] <dtchen> mine seems ok: root@errno:/#
[20:13] <LaserJock> RoAkSoAx: ok crazy, yeah I get that too
[20:13] <LaserJock> so it's just a missing prompt
[20:14] <dtchen> lucid/amd64 schroot seems okay, too
[20:14] <LaserJock> dtchen: mine is on all my pbuilder environments
[20:14] <ThreeOfEight> Anyone who knows something about my building error?
[20:15] <RoAkSoAx> yeah In my case is in all pbuilder environments as well
[20:16] <dtchen> fully current karmic-proposed + karmic-updates ?
[20:17] <kklimonda> LaserJock: not only a prompt - if you try to print something formatted (like output of ls) formatting is removed (colors, columns)
[20:21] <RoAkSoAx> i'll try adding karmic-proposed and karmic-updates
[20:25] <JonyBlaze> RoAkSoAx: what is -f for pubuilder-dist?
[20:27] <RoAkSoAx> JonyBlaze, I don't know exactly actually, I'm guessing is trying to force, since it prompted to use -f there.. so I did
[20:28] <JonyBlaze> "sudo pbuilder-dist lucid create" seems to be working for me
[20:30] <RoAkSoAx> not for me unfortunately
[20:30] <JonyBlaze> nm it failed
[20:58] <eakron> ok so I looked up bitesized bugs in launchpad, chose one where erlang-doc-html causes erlang-base to be removed (erlang-base conflicts with erlang-doc-html if source version is not the same). What's the best way of changing the source version of erlang-doc-html so erlang-base no longer sees it as conflict?
[21:10] <janneh> hello.. i have a very basic question:
[21:11] <janneh> if I change something in the source of an existing ubuntu package and then rebuild it with debuild -S and pbuilder, do I need to install the build-dep packages on my system at any point?
[21:12] <ThreeOfEight> I'd think so, yes.
[21:12] <janneh> or are they only needed in the pbuilder part where they are fetched automatically
[21:12] <ThreeOfEight> okay, I don't know then.
[21:12] <janneh> ok, np :)
[21:13] <ThreeOfEight> but
[21:13] <ThreeOfEight> You only actually do building while inside a pbuilder environment, right?
[21:14] <janneh> hm I think so... I'll have a better look at what happens during the next build :)
[21:14] <janneh> i just starting playing around with debian packages etc.
[21:15] <hyperair> what do you mean install the build-dep packages on your system?
[21:15] <ThreeOfEight> Well then I guess you won't have to install anything
[21:15] <kklimonda> janneh: you need at least part of build-deps for debuild -S to work
[21:15] <ThreeOfEight> Anyway, I'm just a newbie with that, too
[21:15] <hyperair> pbuilder automatically installs it into a temporary chroot directory.
[21:15] <kklimonda> janneh: for example if package uses some patch system you need it for debuild -S to run clean target
[21:16] <janneh> kklimonda: yes I guess that was my question. thx.
[21:17] <janneh> hyperair: yes, this about pbuilder I knew. but I wasn't sure if any part before pbuilder switches to its chroot any of the build-deps are needed
[21:19] <hyperair> janneh: ah i see.
[21:19] <hyperair> unfortunately there's no pre-build-dep
[21:19] <hyperair> heh
[21:19] <eakron> ok I was able to make a fix, built it and it works. But debdiff wont work, unable to read the original .dsc. Could this be because I changed the version?
[21:20] <eakron> the fix was changing the version from 13.b-dfsg1 to 13.b.1-dfsg
[21:25] <geser> eakron: you changed the version wrongly
[21:25] <DktrKranz> lfaraone: are you happy if I uploaded a new revision of python-gasp removing -multiprocessing dep (it's available built-it in 2.6)?
[21:25] <geser> what was the exact version before your modification?
[21:26] <eakron> erlang-doc-html_13.b-dfsg1-1.dsc before and erlang-doc-html_13.b.1-dfsg-1ubuntu1.dsc after
[21:26] <eakron> the thing is, the version change IS the fix, as far as I understand
[21:27] <geser> what was the problem, that you needed to change the upstream version?
[21:28] <eakron> erlang-base conflicts with erlang-doc-html >> upstream version and << upstream version
[21:29] <geser> eakron: why not change the conflicts of erlang-base if it's wrong?
[21:30] <eakron> that was my second idea, I figured this was easier. Also the problem I guess is that erlang-doc-html version was messed up somewhere along the line
[21:31] <geser> if you change the upstream version you also need to rename the .orig.tar.gz
[21:31] <eakron> geser: that's the reason it couldn't open .dsc? Cause orig.tar.gz had the wrong name?
[21:33] <eakron> geser: what do you think is the better solution, changing the conflict in erlang-base or changing the version on doc-html? Apparantly this is not the first time it has happened.
[21:33] <geser> probably not, but you would probably get a big .tar.gz instead of a .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz (as it couldn't find any .orig.tar.gz for that version)
[21:33] <geser> eakron: is there a bug describing the problem you try to fix?
[21:34] <eakron> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/erlang-doc-html/+bug/70745
[21:38] <geser> eakron: I've done a thorough yet but my guess is that we only synced erlang but not the matching erlang-doc-html :(
[21:39] <geser> the conflicts look like it should ensure that erlang-base and erlang-doc-base are installed in the same upstream version
[21:39] <geser> so just changing the version number but not the content doesn't look a good solution
[21:39] <kklimonda> POX: is python 2.6 going to be default in unstable (when It's uploaded :) )
[21:41] <eakron> geser: ah I see, I should just drop it then? I did try building it, it works. But no guarantees that the documentation is up to date with the installed erlang-base version then.
[21:41] <POX> it will be added to supported first
[21:41] <POX> but you have to ask doko about it (I still hope I will not have to NMU it)
[21:43] <kklimonda> POX: so no reason to report any bugs other than FTBFS in packages related to Python 2.6? Or does adding it to supported mean that I should report any problems I know about?
[21:44] <POX> you can report any bug related to python2.6 now
[21:44] <POX> python2.6 is ni experimental
[21:44] <geser> eakron: if you're interested in the erlang-* packages watch the lucid packages that it won't happen again, and for karmic I'd talk to the ~motu-sru people if getting erlang-doc-html in the correct version is possible or if they have a better suggestion how to fix it
[21:44] <POX> but please note that we have different tools in Debian
[21:44] <kklimonda> I know, I cry everytime I have to dig though your BTS ;)
[21:45] <POX> I mean, I NMUed cdbs and python-central recently and I used a little bit different approach than ubuntu
[21:45] <POX> to support 2.6
[21:45] <POX> my cdbs changes are already in Ubuntu
[21:45] <kklimonda> POX: no no - the problem is django's unit tests fail with Python 2.6.3 because of some change in python itself
[21:45] <eakron> geser: thank you for your help =) I did manage to make a working diff now, I'll just add it to the bug report in case someone cares, but comment that the version is probably wrong.
[21:46] <POX> but from what ScottK told me yesterday, python-central is still not working in Ubuntyu
[21:46] <POX> kklimonda: report it then
[21:50] <lfaraone> DktrKranz: Sure.
[21:51] <DktrKranz> lfaraone: thanks, if you want I can commit on DPMT repo too
[21:53] <lfaraone> DktrKranz: By all means. (granted, python-gasp still doesn't work in karmic due to a xlib bug, but that's neither here nor there)


[06:40] <bliii> chromium does not allow one to sign up (so as to sync) with any (thus far) version of Linux and xfce. help.
[16:43] <xubuntu97i> Hi, someone knows how to activate wireless connection, I have a broadcom card
[16:44] <xubuntu97i> :(