 I've got a major problem with d/ling ISO's
[12:26] <kayfelix> albercomp: whats the problem?
[12:26] <albercomp> everytime I d/l one (so far not matter what distro) I run MD5summer and it checks out ok. but once I burn the disc and then do another MD5summer check it shows two errors
[12:27] <albercomp> the first one is at \install\netboot\pxelinux.cfg\default
[12:27] <kayfelix> then I guess your burner is defect / dirty ?
[12:27] <albercomp> the next is \install\netboot\pxelinux.0
[12:27] <albercomp> hmm
[12:27] <albercomp> the thing is I also just opened the ISO in daemon tools and did the same check and it shows the two errors
[12:28] <albercomp> btw, this is the Kubuntu DVD Iso
[12:28] <kayfelix> albercomp: where are you getting the iso's from?
[12:28] <kayfelix> DVD iso? hmmm try the CD one, maybe thats safer
[12:28] <albercomp> well the Kubuntu ISO was from their site
[12:29] <albercomp> I also got the Fedora Core CD Iso's from some listed mirrors and they also had the same issue
[12:29] <kayfelix> hmmm... well I downloaded it and it worked
[12:29] <jatos_> hi
[12:29] <kayfelix> so its either your connection / downloading or your burning...
[12:29] <albercomp> lucky you
[12:29] <kayfelix> lol
[12:29] <albercomp> but why would the initial MD5 checksum work alright?
[12:29] <kayfelix> but then again I didnt do an md5sum on it - i prefer not to, otherwise I just get really annoyed.
[12:29] <albercomp> doing it on the Iso itself
[12:30] <albercomp> really?
[12:30] <kayfelix> :p
[12:30] <albercomp> why don't you do the md5sum check?
[12:31] <kayfelix> albercomp: it either works or it doesnt....
[12:31] <albercomp> ic
[12:32] <kayfelix> well if the image is ok, burn it onto a cd (slow) and then see if it works
[12:32] <albercomp> well this is a brand new burner so I doubt that it is faulty
[12:32] <albercomp> alright I'll try that
[12:33] <jatos> albercomp: I find when something is brand new then that is prime time  for faults to come out in the equipment
[12:33] <hussam> in general, if I want to compile a program, how do I specify compiler optimization flags?
[12:33] <jatos> like when I bought a fautly phone, the fault became apparent less 48 hours of me having it
[12:34] <albercomp> dang, that is not what I was hoping to hear
[12:34] <albercomp> yeah I realize that about them showing up soon. in fact I prefer them that way, I just didn't want to hear that maybe it had happened
[12:35] <kayfelix> well what I was going to write is - check it out at a friends house
[12:35] <jatos> unlikely that is faultly, but if is this is the prime time for the fault to show
[12:35] <kayfelix> if it works there ... you know you can throw yours away / bring it back
[12:36] <albercomp> yeah I suppose.
[12:37] <alamo> #kubuntu-es
[12:37] <jatos> anyway, it there anything else it could apart from the cd rom albercomp
[12:37] <kayfelix> anyone know kubuntu's location of "terminal server"?
[12:37] <albercomp> try going to RUN-->Kterm
[12:37] <albercomp> I'm not sure though
[12:38] <frogtone25> hey i have a problem
[12:38] <jatos> yes the problem is?
[12:38] <frogtone25> i cant get into firefox
[12:38] <jatos> right, do you have any more information?
[12:38] <kayfelix> frogtone25: why not? you sure you have it?
[12:38] <frogtone25> and reinstalling it with synaptics
[12:38] <frogtone25> yeah
[12:38] <kayfelix> albercomp: Kterm not found
[12:38] <frogtone25> i even downloaded it on mozilla.org
[12:39] <frogtone25> and installed it that way
[12:39] <frogtone25> doesnt work
[12:39] <frogtone25> i really need it back
[12:39] <kayfelix> frogtone25: you should use apt-get or synaptic
[12:39] <jatos> right, frogtone25, what exactly happens when you run, is it a case of nothing comes up, do you get an error... ?
[12:39] <kayfelix> frogtone25: for the dependencies
[12:39] <frogtone25> nothing comes up
[12:39] <frogtone25> at all
[12:39] <jatos> right, use the repositorys just everyone else
[12:40] <jatos> btw, does even appear in the menus?
[12:40] <frogtone25> well
[12:40] <frogtone25> in the repositories
[12:40] <albercomp> kayfelix: are you talking about the terminal window or a terminal server like for remote connections?
[12:40] <frogtone25> it says that mozilla firefox exists
[12:40] <kayfelix> albercomp: latter one
[12:40] <frogtone25> but firefox doesnt
[12:40] <albercomp> ohh
[12:40] <kayfelix> frogtone25: go into a shell and type "firefox"
[12:40] <kayfelix> that way it'll print out error messages should you get any
[12:41] <kayfelix> frogtone25: give ya an idea of whats gone wrong...
[12:41] <jatos> frogtone25, run konsole and enter mozilla-firefox
[12:41] <kayfelix> jatos: heh, great minds think alike...
[12:41] <jatos> yep I was thinking along those lines
[12:42] <jatos> unfortunately fools seldom differ
[12:42] <frogtone25> ok
[12:42] <frogtone25> it works now
[12:42] <kayfelix> lol
[12:42] <jatos> I thought it might...
[12:42] <jatos> or should I say we thought it might
[12:42] <frogtone25> im always doing something wrong on here
[12:42] <frogtone25> but im learning
[12:42] <kayfelix> :p
[12:42] <kayfelix> jatos: so whats the solution?
[12:43] <jatos> I remember when I was the one always asking for help here, in fact it wasn't that long ago
[12:43] <frogtone25> hey whats going on with the #ubuntu channel
[12:43] <frogtone25> has it been hacked
[12:43] <jatos> kayfelix, he ran it in terminal and it worked as far as I can tell
[12:43] <kayfelix> jatos: yeah but why terminal and not normal?
[12:43] <jatos> er @ frogtone25
[12:44] <jatos> kayfelix, most likely reason, I suspect the command listed on the menu icon is incorrect
[12:44] <albercomp> keyfelix: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspBreezyTest
[12:44] <jatos> there are a few other possiblities but thats the one I think most likely
[12:44] <albercomp> sorry kAyfelix!!:P
[12:44] <frogtone25> one more thing
[12:45] <kayfelix> albercomp: i was starting to wonder...
[12:45] <frogtone25> im trying to put firefox into the k menu
[12:45] <jatos> yah?
[12:45] <jatos> and you want to know how to do it?
[12:45] <frogtone25> what do i put into the command part
[12:45] <frogtone25> i cant put firefox-bin
[12:45] <albercomp> I'm not sure if there is one that comes with kubuntu or not but this is the project that the ubuntu guys are working on
[12:45] <jatos> the same comand you put into terminal
[12:45] <frogtone25> its not a local file
[12:45] <kayfelix> albercomp: i heard lol :p over in #ubuntu-devel
[12:46] <albercomp> oh, oops
[12:46] <frogtone25> its not working
[12:47] <jatos> ah...
[12:47] <frogtone25> i need it in my k menu
[12:47] <albercomp> is there supposed to be one that came with kubuntu?
[12:47] <jatos> do you have ssh server install frogtone25
[12:47] <kayfelix> jatos: it should have been there automatically, cant he just do an apt-get install firefox?
[12:47] <jatos> would make sense for him todo so kakalto
[12:47] <kayfelix> albercomp: firefox doesnt come with kubuntu...
[12:47] <jatos> * kayfelix
[12:47] <albercomp> I wasn't nasking that
[12:47] <kakalto> hehe
[12:47] <jatos> need to press tab a couple of extra times..
[12:47] <frogtone25> "firefox" doesnt exist it says
[12:47] <kayfelix> albercomp: aaah, sorry
[12:47] <albercomp> it was about your terminal server :P
[12:48] <frogtone25> but mozilla-firefox does
[12:48] <albercomp> np, not like I haven't done the same
[12:48] <jatos> frogtone25, thats the package you need
[12:48] <kayfelix> albercomp: well over at ubuntu i heard people talking about it... but thats for ubuntu and gnome...
[12:48] <albercomp> the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is the KDE isn't it?
[12:49] <jatos> bah, gnome it sucks!
[12:49] <frogtone25> it says i already have the newest version
[12:49] <kayfelix> albercomp:  i *think* so, but I've only ever had the K version of ubuntu
[12:49] <jatos> only one gui I hate more, fluxbox
[12:49] <kayfelix> jatos: thats why ive only had kubuntu lol
[12:49] <jatos> lol...
[12:49] <albercomp> oh, ic
[12:49] <jatos> kayfelix, therse two guis I really like XFCE and KDE
[12:50] <albercomp> well I wouldn't imagine that that terminal server wouldn't run under KDE
[12:50] <Bicchi> Whats the difference from running "sudo apt-get upgrade" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[12:50] <albercomp> although I am a n00b
[12:50] <kayfelix> albercomp: we all are
[12:50] <albercomp> ROFL!!!!!
[12:51] <albercomp> yeah but yesterday was the first time I've ever installed *nix
[12:51] <albercomp> although I've played around with a few live CD's
[12:51] <kayfelix> albercomp:  join the club, i installed linux day b4 yesterday
[12:51] <albercomp> actually my "Install" was basically telling the Live CD to install to HD!!!
[12:51] <kayfelix> albercomp: im on the same level as you
[12:51] <albercomp> really?
[12:51] <albercomp> cool
[12:51] <kayfelix> albercomp: no kiddin lol
[12:52] <jatos> one upgrades you entire distribution the other jsut updates the packages bicchi
[12:52] <kayfelix> albercomp: only ever played around with knoppix, dsl etc etc
[12:52] <albercomp> about the same here
[12:53] <albercomp> I installed ubuntu yesterday, but I don't like Gnome so I took a copy of Auditor linux which has KDE and installed it! it was simple as pie!
[12:53] <jatos> actually I just coming out the noob area of things
[12:53] <kayfelix> jatos: XFCE i dont know, KDE i like but its not the fastest and fluxbox is a bit too simple for my liking (its in DSL)
[12:53] <albercomp> especially since ubuntu had already created my partitions automatically
[12:53] <Bicchi> jatos: so dist-upgrade includes distribution and packages all together instead of "upgrade" that just upgrades that packages.
[12:53] <kayfelix> jatos: im learning, i want to get free from MS as fast as possible
[12:53] <jatos> yep bichii
[12:54] <jatos> in which case you will probaly want to buy cross-over officve kayfelix
[12:54] <kayfelix> jatos: i sound like a drug addict dont I? lol
[12:54] <jatos> now you come to mention it...
[12:54] <kayfelix> jatos:  cross-over office?
[12:55] <jatos> google it
[12:55] <albercomp> jatos: I've been using OO.o on MS for quite a while and I love it!
[12:55] <jatos> as far as I can tell is a version of wine that actually works
[12:55] <jatos> openoffice?
[12:55] <albercomp> although MS's office 2003 is reeeeeeally nice
[12:55] <albercomp> yeah
[12:55] <albercomp> and OO.o is free
[12:55] <kayfelix> albercomp: ms O nice? TRAITOR lol
[12:55] <jatos> crossover office is not actually an office package in the same oo.org and ms office is
[12:56] <albercomp> well I believe that's what crossover office is
[12:56] <jatos> yeah albercomp TRAITOR
[12:56] <albercomp> ROFL!!!
[12:56] <albercomp> hey I'm talking to you from a MS box
[12:56] <jatos> no, google it, crossover office beleive it or not is a windows application emulator
[12:56] <kayfelix> albercomp: get out, someone boot him! lol
[12:56] <albercomp> yeah thats what I though
[12:57] <albercomp> thought
[12:57] <albercomp> hey!!!
[12:57] <kayfelix> albercomp: only kidding
[12:57] <kayfelix> jatos: wine i dont much like
[12:57] <jatos> hey someone DoSS him... albercomp (don't realy do it though)
[12:57] <jatos> I don't like WINE
[12:57] <kayfelix> jatos: but what i AM going to get rolling soon is Qemu...
[12:57] <albercomp> no I'm sure all of you had a working *nix box in order for you to d/l Kubuntu correct??? of wait nope you probably used MS!!! LOL
[12:57] <albercomp> Please no!!!!
[12:57] <jatos> as soon as I actually have some cash I going to buy and see jsut how good it is
[12:57] <albercomp> I would be pissed
[12:58] <albercomp> it's supposed to be really good
[12:58] <kayfelix> albercomp:  pissed @ what?
[12:58] <jatos> I doubt whether you would like
[12:58] <albercomp> if I got Doss
[12:58] <kayfelix> jatos: cant you download it somewhere? torrent / emule ...
[12:58] <jatos> not as far as I am aware
[12:58] <albercomp> :P
[12:58] <kayfelix> albercomp: no one would doss you lol, they only do that to microsoft.com
[12:58] <jatos> hehe
[12:58] <kayfelix> jatos: well then it cant be good
[12:58] <albercomp> ROFL
[12:59] <albercomp> http://torrentreactor.net/view.php?id=5015707
[12:59] <albercomp> cross over office anyone?
[12:59] <kayfelix> albercomp: 0 isnt alot of seeders
[12:59] <jatos> kayfelix, hehe, yeah DoSS attacks have this nasty tendancy to bring down server, and irc users if they get one
[12:59] <albercomp> LOL
[01:00] <albercomp> sorry I just grabbed it real quick without looking
[01:00] <kayfelix> albercomp: np, at least we know its "available"
[01:00] <jatos> being a admin at a datacenter forum I hear a reasonable about DoSS attacks
[01:00] <albercomp> yeah
[01:00] <kayfelix> what does DoSS stand for? i thought it was DDoS?
[01:00] <albercomp> pretty much anything is if you know where to look
[01:01] <jatos> Denial of Service attack
[01:01] <jatos> actuall when spelt correctly DoS
[01:01] <kayfelix> aah lol
[01:01] <kayfelix> jatos: and everyone started using DoSS
[01:01] <kayfelix> lol
[01:02] <jatos> no, DoS thankfully aren't that common
[01:02] <chowells2> jatos: because it's better than smb, imo
[01:02] <kayfelix> 7 Seeders : http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3316981
[01:02] <jatos> but it doesn't cause much DoS to cause dc's a prob
[01:03] <jatos> nah, I think samba is a lot better than NFS, once you got right config
[01:03] <kayfelix> but i wont try crossover until i know how to repair my system first lol
[01:03] <jatos> lol
[01:03] <kayfelix> samba does seem to have alot of options - cant comment on NFS though.
[01:04] <jatos> samba has loads of option if you know where to look ;-)
[01:04] <jatos> but are you looking the right place
[01:05] <kayfelix> Control Center > I & N > Samba
[01:05] <kayfelix> dont worry, these silences are common
[01:05] <jatos> well you can't help but find options there
[01:05] <jatos> hehe, yep
[01:05] <kayfelix> Heck even Simon & Garfunkel sang about it.
[01:07] <jatos> yeah, what song was it?
[01:07] <kayfelix> "sound of silence"
[01:07] <jatos> thats the one
[01:07] <kayfelix> hihi, before your time no doubt
[01:07] <jatos> not that much, i've heard it
[01:09] <frogtone25> how do you reinstall anything on your install disk
[01:10] <kayfelix> frogtone25: sorry, what?
[01:10] <frogtone25> how do you reinstall thing that are on your ubuntu install disc
[01:11] <frogtone25> i want to put the original version of firefox back on here
[01:11] <frogtone25> and then update it
[01:11] <frogtone25> im still having problems with this
[01:11] <kayfelix> use apt-get or synaptic
[01:11] <albercomp> OK I'm really pissed now!
[01:11] <kayfelix> synaptic is the gui frontend to aptget
[01:11] <kayfelix> albercomp: getting DoS'ed
[01:12] <albercomp> I just d/led (again) kubuntu install CD opened it with daemon tools and still got two errors
[01:12] <kayfelix> frogtone25:  apt-get install appname, apt-get uninstall appname etc
[01:12] <albercomp> the same 3 errors I've been getting
[01:12] <kayfelix> albercomp: kick it
[01:12] <albercomp> lol
[01:13] <frogtone25> it wont uninstall with apt-get
[01:13] <kayfelix> albercomp: something wrong with your machine / filesystem ...
[01:13] <albercomp> what sucks is that I didn't even burn it!!!
[01:13] <albercomp> I guess so
[01:13] <kayfelix> frogtone just type "apt-get" gives you commands "remove"
[01:13] <senator32> i need a little help with a USB wifi card, the system sees the hardware when i do an "ifconfig -a" but not in either network-admin or KWiFi manager, what do i need to do
[01:13] <albercomp> what type of DVD burning software comes with ubuntu? anyone know?
[01:14] <kayfelix> albercomp: k3b
[01:14] <albercomp> and that will burn dvd/cd and form iso?
[01:14] <kayfelix> dont ask about dvd, i aint burned one yet but i can confirm ISO > CD
[01:15] <albercomp> k
[01:15] <albercomp> well maybe I'll boot onto a live cd and burn a cd at some point
[01:15] <albercomp> maybe that'll fix it
[01:16] <senator32> anyone have any ideas
[01:16] <albercomp> well honestly I know I do need to format/reinstal MS anyway
[01:16] <kayfelix> nope, sorry senator32
[01:16] <senator32> :(
[01:16] <albercomp> senator you need to know what kind of chipset your wifi card has
[01:16] <senator32> i do
[01:16] <senator32> prism 3
[01:16] <albercomp> what is it?
[01:17] <albercomp> that should be an automatic install then
[01:17] <senator32> usually plug and play in linux
[01:17] <albercomp> yeah
[01:17] <senator32> i know
[01:17] <albercomp> can you get to root?
[01:17] <kayfelix> senator32: i have kubuntu problems with my Haupagge WinTV card :(
[01:18] <senator32> :(
[01:19] <albercomp> what problems are you having?
[01:20] <senator32> i can gfet into root
[01:20] <senator32> and see the interface
[01:20] <albercomp> does it fully recognize it there?
[01:20] <frogtone25> hey isnt there a command that looks like this
[01:20] <senator32> but no ip and the wifi manager doesn't even acknowledge the interface
[01:20] <frogtone25> firefox%u%
[01:21] <frogtone25> or something like that
[01:21] <albercomp> ok, now that really sucks
[01:21] <senator32> i know
[01:21] <senator32> i was like wtf
[01:21] <senator32> this adapter works in other distros
[01:21] <senator32> but this is my favorite
[01:21] <albercomp> I've been having a problem where a PCMCIA NIC card works fine in root (net access and all) but it won't show up in my user account
[01:22] <albercomp> well unforetunatly I can't help
[01:22] <senator32> well im in the user account, and it will not show up in the ifconfig in the user konsole
[01:22] <senator32> only the root
[01:25] <albercomp> well my error has been diagnosed as permissions problems. but i don't have a clue as to how to fix that
[01:26] <albercomp> I actually was using my nic in my user account last night after I installed that distro but when I fired it up this morning it was gone!
[01:28] <kayfelix> albercomp:  you what?
[01:28] <albercomp> you what? what?
[01:28] <albercomp> I'm not sure what your question was about!
[01:29] <kayfelix> albercomp:  lol your nick was gone this morning or something like that?
[01:29] <kayfelix> on ho
[01:29] <kayfelix> your nic
[01:29] <albercomp> oh, no I was talking about my NIC
[01:29] <kayfelix> sorry my fault
[01:29] <kayfelix> forget it
[01:29] <albercomp> :P
[01:29] <albercomp> :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
[01:30] <albercomp> ROFLMAO
understands
[01:31] <albercomp> oops
[01:31] <kayfelix> are you from britain albercomp?
[01:31] <albercomp> nope usa
[01:31] <kayfelix> ace
[01:31] <kayfelix> and you have to type /me
[01:31] <albercomp> ahh
[01:31] <kayfelix> :p
[01:31] <albercomp> ok got it
[01:31] <hussam> I can't seem to access ubuntuforums.org. Can somebody be nice enough to check for me it is offline or not?
[01:32] <albercomp> I'm still to used to yahoo,aim,msn messengers
[01:32] <albercomp> sure
[01:32] <albercomp> there up
[01:32] <kayfelix> online
[01:33] <kayfelix> albercomp: yeah, me too, yim, aim, msn, icq, gtalk ....
[01:33] <albercomp> you from britain?
[01:33] <kayfelix> fairly new to irc myself
[01:33] <kayfelix> no, germany
[01:33] <albercomp> oh, cool
[01:33] <kayfelix> :p
[01:33] <albercomp> beautiful place
[01:33] <kayfelix> indeed it is
[01:33] <albercomp> no wonder you don't mind torrents!!!
[01:34] <albercomp> ROFL
[01:34] <kayfelix> ??
[01:34] <kinfo> what?
[01:34] <kayfelix> what do you mean lol ?
[01:34] <albercomp> you don't mind limewire, torrents that kind of d/ling
[01:35] <kayfelix> hmmm... thats nto typically german is it?
[01:35] <albercomp> well, historically germany has no laws against it and thats where a lot of that type of stuff is
[01:36] <albercomp> if you look at like crack sites they are german sites
[01:36] <kayfelix> albercomp: i know alot of people who are terrified of D/L ....
[01:36] <albercomp> really?
[01:36] <kayfelix> yeah, dont know why
[01:36] <albercomp> well a lot of the cracking stuff has come from germany
[01:36] <albercomp> that is weird
[01:36] <kayfelix> yup thats right
[01:36] <kayfelix> im currently on aMule
[01:36] <kayfelix> lol
[01:37] <kayfelix> hey why dont you add me to your msn, if you have it?
[01:38] <albercomp> k just a sec whats your nick?
[01:38] <kayfelix><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:39] <albercomp> cool
[01:39] <othernoob> hey, would anyone of you happen to know a "need for speed" channel?
[01:39] <albercomp> nope sorry
[01:39] <albercomp> did that work?
[01:40] <othernoob> :/ would you happen to have it?
[01:40] <gdh> chowells2: No, universe + multiverse are not the same thing :)
[01:40] <albercomp> nfs?
[01:40] <gdh> chowells2: slight satellite delay there
[01:40] <othernoob> albercomp: yes
[01:40] <albercomp> yeah I have nfs, well certain versions anyway
[01:40] <othernoob> maybe underground 2?
[01:41] <kayfelix> othernoob: enio.irc.lv  #needforspeed
[01:41] <kayfelix> oh, we arent talking about need for speed, are we!
[01:41] <kayfelix> tut tut...
[01:42] <albercomp> LOL
[01:42] <kayfelix> and theres me finding it as well
[01:42] <kayfelix> lol
[01:42] <albercomp> LMAO
[01:42] <kayfelix> :p
[01:42] <albercomp> you get on msn?
[01:43] <kayfelix> albercomp: nope
[01:43] <albercomp> :P
[01:49] <albercomp> still there kay? you quit gaim
[01:52] <kayfelix> yeah still here
[01:52] <kayfelix> only quit the msn account for a sec
[01:55] <flugh> well, i'm going to go from idle/afk to reboot to Winderz. time for day of defeat ;)
[01:55] <flugh> no need for speed at my age
[02:06] <hvm> hi, can anyone tell how to install anything in kubuntu?
[02:07] <hvm> is it possible?
[02:07] <gdh> hvm: K -> System -> Kynaptic :)
[02:07] <gdh> that is the simple package manager
[02:07] <_static> [22:16]  <iofrush> why does fox news show more white people than any other station covering katrina/
[02:07] <_static> [22:16]  <deadkode> they're still pissed that slavery was abolished
[02:07] <_static> [22:16]  <iofrush> why does fox news show more white people than any other station covering katrina/
[02:07] <_static> [22:16]  <deadkode> they're still pissed that slavery was abolished
[02:07] <_static> oops
[02:07] <_static> sorrt
[02:07] <_static> sorry*
[02:07] <_static> you'll also want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:08] <hvm> gdh, i didn't understand
[02:08] <hvm> i'm a newbee at linux
[02:08] <hvm> english also :P
[02:08] <_static> the default package manager in kubuntu is "kynaptic".
[02:08] <hvm> ok
[02:08] <_static> it's installed in your menus.
[02:09] <hvm> shit, i missed that
[02:09] <_static> you'll want to edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list to make more packages available to you in kynaptic
[02:09] <hvm> ok...
[02:09] <_static> otherwise you're fairly limited.
[02:09] <hvm> but the problem is that i want to update the kernel
[02:09] <hvm> and for that i need gcc
[02:09] <kayfelix> _static: maybe you should leave him to it at the moment... editing that file does require you to log in as root and possibly vi it etc...
[02:09] <gdh> you're a newbie and the first thing you want to do is compile a new kernel?
[02:10] <_static> perhaps
[02:10] <_static> hehe
[02:10] <gdh> Wow, I wish you the very best of luck :)
[02:10] <hvm> lol
[02:10] <kayfelix> _static: newbie at linux and wants to recompile his kernel?
[02:10] <hvm> i know
[02:10] <kayfelix> hvm: you sure you want to do that at this stage?
[02:10] <hvm> well, i know a few things about linux
[02:10] <kayfelix> thats like... using "ResHack" in windows to edit explorer.exe ....
[02:10] <gdh> It's unlikely you need to recompile the kernel. if you tell us what you're trying to achieve we can likely suggest a more elegant way :)
[02:11] <hvm> well, i want to have access to ntfs file systems, at least read-only, all my music and movies are on ntfs partitions :))
[02:11] <kayfelix> mount?
[02:11] <hvm> i tried that
[02:11] <gdh> no need to recompile for that - ntfs read access is alreay present
[02:12] <chavo> hvm, ntfs support is in the stock kernel
[02:12] <hvm> how
[02:12] <hvm> ?
[02:12] <kayfelix> hvm: ntfs is a widely used filesystem - obviously you will already have support for it :p
[02:12] <hvm> yeah, i thought so too
[02:12] <gdh> does opening konqueror to "media:/" not show your drives?
[02:12] <hvm> yes
[02:13] <hvm> but when i try to mount them it sounds like a glass is breaking :P
[02:13] <hvm> :))
[02:13] <kayfelix> dont cut yourself
[02:13] <hvm> lol
[02:14] <kayfelix> and what error message do you get?
[02:14] <chavo> someone linked to a script that will add all windows partitions to your fstab earlier today
[02:14] <hvm> mount: can't find /dev/hda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:14] <hvm> that's chinese for me
[02:14] <hvm> no offence on chinese people :P
[02:15] <kayfelix> !info winmac_fstab
[02:15] <chavo> that's it
[02:16] <hvm> ?
[02:16] <kayfelix> :p
[02:16] <kayfelix> i have a copy lol
[02:16] <kayfelix> just dont know where to download it from
[02:16] <hvm> it's nice to see that you are lol-ing
[02:16] <gdh> q: What's more annoying than a channel bot? a: a broken channel bot :)
[02:16] <chavo> hvm, it's a script that will mount all of your windows partitions for you
[02:16] <kayfelix> yeah it worked for me :p
[02:16] <chavo> and have them auto-mounted on boot
[02:17] <gdh> heh :)
[02:17] <hvm> aha, how can i get it?
[02:17] <hvm> or do i have it?
[02:17] <kayfelix> nah you dont
[02:17] <kayfelix> its downloadable... and its in my home directory
[02:17] <hvm> that's nice
[02:17] <hvm> can you send it to me, pls?
[02:18] <kayfelix> im sending...
[02:18] <chavo> hvm, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab&ei=m-sYQ9yIGJCQ-gGEjPiNCw
[02:18] <hvm> thanks
[02:18] <chavo> woah, google link
[02:18] <kayfelix> np
[02:18] <kayfelix> long huh?
[02:18] <kayfelix> right hvm
[02:18] <kayfelix> now go into a console
[02:18] <kayfelix> and...
[02:19] <kayfelix> can you login as root?
[02:19] <hvm> i can use the sudo -s command
[02:19] <hvm> is that enough?
[02:19] <albercomp> sure
[02:19] <kayfelix> type su
[02:19] <kayfelix> albercomp:  better :p
[02:19] <kayfelix> and then password
[02:19] <kayfelix> you should be logged in as root
[02:19] <kayfelix> and then navigate to where the script is
[02:20] <kayfelix> and type "sh winmac_fstab"
[02:20] <kayfelix> that correct people?
[02:20] <kayfelix> chavo: ?
[02:20] <chavo> that'll work
[02:20] <chavo> you could use sudo also
[02:21] <hvm> wait a minute
[02:21] <gdh> sudo is 'the ubuntu way'  :)
[02:21] <chavo> yes
[02:21] <kayfelix> hehe
[02:21] <kayfelix> albercomp: whats your thoughts on new orleans? being american and stuff?
[02:22] <kayfelix> albercomp: sounds mighty bad from where im sitting on my couch...
[02:22] <albercomp> yeah it's not good
[02:22] <hvm> WOW
[02:22] <hvm> THANKS
[02:22] <albercomp> new orleans, a city that already sat below sea level is now totally flodded
[02:22] <kayfelix> albercomp: understatment of the millenia
[02:23] <albercomp> LOL
[02:23] <kayfelix> hvm worked?
[02:23] <hvm> yes
[02:23] <hvm> thanks a lot
[02:23] <kayfelix> np
[02:23] <gdh> hvm: The invoice is already in the mail :)
[02:23] <kayfelix> albercomp: lol
[02:23] <albercomp> :P
[02:23] <kayfelix> gdh: good idea lol
[02:23] <hvm> you have no idea how much i tried to install that ****** linux kernel
[02:23] <kayfelix> hvm: yeah thats generally *not* needed - but it does sound cool eh? :p
[02:24] <hvm> yep :)
[02:24] <kayfelix> i got as far as Qconf before someone stopped me rofl
[02:24] <chavo> yeah recompiling your kernel is so last year
[02:25] <albercomp> ROFLMAO!
[02:25] <hvm> :)))
[02:25] <kayfelix> : ) awww isnt it nice to see everyone happy
[02:25] <_static> hard word recompiling the kernel.. too many options.. can't concentrate.
[02:25] <kayfelix> *work
[02:26] <_static> and half the time it doesnt boot and i have to fix stuff
[02:26] <_static> yeah. that too :)
[02:26] <kayfelix> never done it, not planning on to either until I know for certain where my fstab is located... among other things...
[02:26] <_static> the keys are like right next to each other
[02:26] <hvm> that's the same problem i had too
[02:26] <hvm> it did not boot
[02:27] <hvm> said that initrd doesn't exist and the (kernel panic!)
[02:27] <gdh> heh yeh initrd can be a headache =)
[02:27] <kayfelix> kernel panic - i always find that terribly exciting lol
[02:28] <gdh> and I've been doingthis shit for years :)
[02:28] <kayfelix> qemu-img: error while formatting - anyone know why?
[02:28] <chavo> I've been using linux for years also, but I'm over that kernel recompiling stuff
[02:29] <albercomp> I'm not sure if I'll ever get the the kernel compiling stage. just don't know if I want to tackle that
[02:29] <kayfelix> same command as root - no error
[02:29] <kayfelix> albercomp: amen
[02:29] <chavo> It's not that hard if you start out with the same config as ubuntu.
[02:29] <albercomp> really?
[02:29] <gdh> as long as you select the right hardware, there's very little need to compile a kernel :)
[02:30] <gdh> and yes, reusing the /boot/config-2.6.xxx as your /usr/src/linux/.config ...
[02:30] <albercomp> I'm sure it won't be that hard, but I still know very little about *nix period!
[02:30] <chavo> well usually if your recompiling a kernel it's only to add a certain feature
[02:30] <gdh> is a great jumpstart
[02:30] <albercomp> hmmm intereesting
[02:30] <albercomp> oops*
[02:30] <kayfelix> -rw-are--are--  1 root root 524288000 2005-09-03 02:28 image.img
[02:30] <kayfelix> how do I change the owner of that file?
[02:30] <chavo> but now it's much easier, you can compile loadable modules
[02:30] <albercomp> hmm
[02:30] <chavo> kayfelix, do sudo chown
[02:30] <gdh> kayfelix: chown username image.img ... assuming it's on ext2 or ext3 ...
[02:31] <kayfelix> ext3
[02:31] <gdh> ah it's only 0.5G so it'd fit on vfat, too :)
[02:31] <kayfelix> ace, thank you
[02:31] <gdh> thought it was 5G
[02:31] <kayfelix> 500M
[02:31] <kayfelix> just for testing
[02:31] <kayfelix> im Qemu'ing
[02:31] <albercomp> well I gotta run guys. ttyl.
[02:31] <gdh> Ihope you have better luck than I did
[02:32] <kayfelix> bye albercomp
[02:32] <kayfelix> ttys
[02:32] <kayfelix> gdh: whats that supposed to mean?
[02:32] <gdh> kayfelix: I had no joy with qemu with win98, 2000, or xp installations. I know people who have got it to work, I have no idea what I did wrong :)
[02:32] <gdh> ... although I'd most likely 'had a few jars' at the time
[02:33] <kayfelix> hehe
[02:33] <kayfelix> gdh: what exactly was your problem?
[02:33] <gdh> so I went back to vmware, because I know how it works :)
[02:33] <gdh> kayfelix: Don't remmeber - was months ago
[02:34] <kayfelix> hmmm vmware costs doesnt it?
[02:34] <kayfelix> ive never used it
[02:34] <gdh> yeh, I just have one long trial period... :)
[02:35] <kayfelix> gdh: lol
[02:35] <kayfelix> gdh: ok, i have qemu working so far...
[02:35] <gdh> yeh I got most ofthe way through the installation procedure before it all went titsup.com
[02:35] <kayfelix> one Q why does it kill my CPU time? even in standby?
[02:36] <kayfelix> gdh: the installation *can* take hours
[02:36] <gdh> kayfelix: what OS is running inside at the moment :)
[02:36] <kayfelix> an obscure version of DOS... Hiren's BootCD ...
[02:37] <gdh> there you go, then :) DOS has no idea of power-management .. will do unspeakable things like busy-waiting :)
[02:37] <kayfelix> cpu seems to be at 95%
[02:37] <kayfelix> hmmm fooking dos
[02:37] <gdh> IS THERE INPUT?NO!IS THERE INPUT?NO!IS THERE INPUT?NO!IS THERE INPUT?NO!IS THERE INPUT?NO!
[02:37] <kayfelix> fooking bill gates
[02:37] <gdh> and so on... :)
[02:37] <kayfelix> fooking microsoft
[02:37] <kayfelix> lol
[02:38] <kayfelix> gdh is infected by the microsoft virus...
[02:38] <gdh> I mostly got shot of that years ago :)
[02:38] <gdh> now I only suffer from it mon-fri from 9-5 :)
[02:38] <kayfelix> its useful to have around to ....
[02:38] <kayfelix> erm...
[02:39] <kayfelix> well its bound to be useful sometime.
[02:39] <kayfelix> what do you work as ?
[02:39] <gdh> systems administrator :) we're a linux place for servers, but of course windows on the desktop
[02:39] <kayfelix> sucks without tux
[02:40] <kayfelix> and where on the globe do you administer your pc's?
[02:41] <kayfelix> (remote login doesnt cout)
[02:41] <gdh> kayfelix: In the UK for .. http://www.laterooms.com/uk
[02:41] <gdh> We're all based in Manchester.. offices +data centre,
[02:41] <P_Kable> Hi is there a french chann 4 kubuntu please ?
[02:42] <kayfelix> oho! and let me guess... you have to buy new servers every week because chav's steal them?
[02:42] <gdh> kayfelix: We are in Salford... so you'd think so :)
[02:42] <kayfelix> lol
[02:42] <gdh> kayfelix: the machines are in high security hosting :)
[02:42] <kayfelix> P_Kable: dont know, sorry
[02:43] <kayfelix> gdh: lets hope for the best ;)
[02:43] <gdh> P_Kable: join #kubuntu-fr and wait ? :)
[02:43] <gdh> heh
[02:43] <kayfelix> rofl
[02:43] <_static> hehe
[02:43] <kayfelix> and wait
[02:43] <kayfelix> lol
[02:43] <kayfelix> i guess if i had waited a second longer you'd have joined me eh?
[02:44] <kayfelix> i was in the same room
[02:44] <kayfelix> well... empty thing
[02:45] <kayfelix> !find my windows me cd
[02:46] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'my windows me cd' returned no results.
[02:47] <kayfelix> (02:46:58) ubotu: Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'my windows me cd' returned no results.
[02:47] <kayfelix> damn
[02:48] <kayfelix> when will science start being helpful, i wonder...
[02:50] <elvirolo> hi all
[02:50] <kayfelix> i love seeing windows setup when its happening on my desktop and i can chat in IRC while its doing it.
[02:50] <kayfelix> hey elvirolo
[02:50] <gdh> I love not seeing windows setup :)
[02:51] <elvirolo> my menu is very dodgy : it's missing kfrb, kmail, etc ... why is that ? it is rather annoying
[02:52] <elvirolo> ideas?
[02:52] <kayfelix> hmmm, i have all that
[02:52] <hvm> hi, it's me again
[02:52] <kayfelix> you could try.... but dont take my advice without a second notion.... apt-get install update or something
[02:52] <kayfelix> you know, update the whole distro
[02:52] <hvm> aah, i guess you cannot write on ntfs drives from linux...
[02:52] <hvm> ?
[02:53] <elvirolo> hvm, yes you can but not natively
[02:53] <kayfelix> hey hvm i know a wonderful information tool you could use
[02:53] <elvirolo> kayfelix: apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[02:53] <kayfelix> http://www.google.com
[02:53] <hvm> no shit :))
[02:53] <kayfelix> and failing that http://en.wikipedia.org
[02:53] <kayfelix> :p
[02:54] <kayfelix> its really quite good... not alot of people know about it though
[02:54] <kayfelix> they tend to go to forums or chat rooms first
[02:54] <hvm> like this one?
[02:54] <elvirolo> look at that hvm
[02:54] <hvm> :))
[02:54] <elvirolo> http://www.kruyt.org/?sub_item=46
[02:54] <kayfelix>  :-P
[02:54] <hvm> i'm not sure i wanna risk losing data
[02:54] <elvirolo> oh wait
[02:54] <elvirolo> try this instead
[02:55] <elvirolo> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21195.html
[02:55] <elvirolo> (i did the google search for you, lucky one)
[02:55] <hvm> 10x
[02:56] <kayfelix> :-P ace elvirolo but it means kernel-compilation and we were trying to circumvent that...
[02:56] <elvirolo> well ... it's not *that* difficult
[02:56] <hvm> yep, i saw that too
[02:56] <hvm> :))
[02:57] <hvm> i said that it's not "that" difficult until i tried it
[02:57] <kayfelix> lol
[03:01] <kayfelix> hvm: what about partition magic and making ntfs > fat32?
[03:02] <hvm> no way
[03:02] <PaloDeQueso> Does anyone here run cs:source in cedega?
[03:02] <hvm> fat32 doesn't work with partitions too large
[03:02] <kayfelix> 137.7GB i think
[03:02] <hvm> lower than that
[03:03] <hvm> i had problems with drives higher than 30gb
[03:03] <kayfelix> hvm: i have a 152GB FAT32 partition
[03:03] <hvm> ok, my bad
[03:03] <kayfelix> 137,7GB is the Windows XP (no SP) and lower boundry
[03:03] <hvm> i know
[03:03] <kayfelix> writing above that it tries to write to position 0
[03:04] <kayfelix> http://www.kayfelix.com
[03:04] <kayfelix> see what it did to my drive? hehe
[03:04] <kayfelix> both FAT's gone and the MBR in tatters
[03:05] <hvm> yep, that is ugly
[03:05] <kayfelix> Fat32 is 2TB max size
[03:05] <kayfelix> http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm
[03:06] <hvm> ok, i believe
[03:06] <kayfelix> :)
[03:06] <gdh> the killer being the max filesize of 4G :)
[03:06] <gdh> which given the prevalence of DVD images, etc....
[03:06] <kayfelix> lol yeah but thats only interesting for dvd images
[03:06] <kayfelix> wll, ive never had any so that thought never occured...
[03:07] <hvm> anyway, i like ntfs better because it's faster and it has some kind of security
[03:07] <kayfelix> isnt Vista coming with yet another filesystem?
[03:07] <hvm> yeah, WinFS
[03:07] <kayfelix> great
[03:07] <hvm> yep
[03:07] <kayfelix> just what the IT community needs
[03:07] <hvm> :P
[03:07] <gdh> a typical 'playing catch up' trick :)
[03:08] <kayfelix> another filesystem to handle... damn microsoft.
[03:08] <gdh> just as linux finally creeps towardds transparent r/w for NTFS...
[03:08] <kayfelix> no, its another "monopoly" trick
[03:08] <kayfelix> i heard they are totally banning WMV for linux?
[03:08] <hvm> the thing is that ntfs is not actually 100% secure
[03:08] <kayfelix> its already been banned for VirtualDub
[03:09] <gdh> kay: they tried with the NSC 'encrypted' streaming format :) DVD Jon to the rescue again
[03:09] <kayfelix> its sure more secure than it's OS
[03:09] <hvm> i couldnt make a file totally unaccesible
[03:09] <kayfelix> lol
[03:09] <gdh> kayfelix: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/02/dvd_jon_mediaplayer/
[03:11] <kayfelix> thank god for people like DVD jon
[03:11] <kayfelix> he has my fullest support
[03:11] <kayfelix> (should he ever need it)
[03:13] <kayfelix> Windows ME with qemu - im missing 5.3MB to install it ;) it tells me this 30 minutes into the installation
[03:13] <kayfelix> you've gotta love windoze
[03:13] <kalenedrael> whoa, did i see a 'windows ME'
[03:14] <gdh> yeh, somewhat of a rarity :)
[03:14] <gdh> XP for anything sensible, or 98 for lame tests :)
[03:14] <kalenedrael> in a... linux channel?
[03:14] <kalenedrael> 3.1 for stability :P
[03:14] <gdh> haha :)
[03:15] <kayfelix> lol
[03:15] <gdh> feel the tinkly goodness
[03:15] <kayfelix> aint heard that in years damnit
[03:15] <hvm> wow, windows me
[03:15] <hvm> i have some history with that crock of shit :P
[03:16] <kayfelix> hehe me too, used it for ages until i migrated to xp
[03:16] <kayfelix> but im damn proud to say im in LINUX at the moment and im loving it (that cute little penguin...)
[03:17] <hvm> in my last instalation of win me i could only run a single program per session
[03:17] <hvm> after that i had to restart or face a BSOD
[03:17] <kalenedrael> yuck
[03:17] <k-0tik> does anyone know of  a way to locate my pci modem?
[03:18] <k-0tik> in the filesystem?
[03:18] <k-0tik> can' tfind it
[03:18] <kayfelix>    /dev/....
[03:18] <k-0tik> usually /dev/modem
[03:18] <k-0tik> but it doesn' exist
[03:18] <k-0tik> /dev/ppp maybe?
[03:19] <kayfelix> look at this dude, he answers his own questions - aint that practical
[03:19] <kalenedrael> :P
[03:20] <gdh> a modem? as in dialup?
[03:20] <gdh> how... quaint :)
[03:21] <k-0tik> no
[03:21] <k-0tik> not for internet
[03:21] <gdh> hehe :)
[03:21] <kayfelix> Hi,  mein Neolec PCI 56k steht unter /dev und heit ttyS0; herausgefunden habe ich das mit "lspci".  Good luck,               tl017
[03:21] <kayfelix> can you read german?
[03:21] <kalenedrael> i certainly can't
[03:21] <kayfelix> he says its at ttyS0 and he found it using "lspci"
[03:23] <kayfelix> hey! its showing my TV Card.... so why doesnt XawTV eat it?
[03:24] <kalenedrael> eat it?
[03:24] <kayfelix> use it whatever lol, it just wont show me my tv...
[03:24] <kalenedrael> i'm going to go out on a leg here and assume that means 'detect it'
[03:24] <kalenedrael> or 'use it'
[03:24] <kalenedrael> i don't know
[03:25] <kayfelix> :p
[03:25] <kayfelix> definately weird
[03:25] <boga> I need a CRM package name for kubuntu...anyone?
[03:26] <kayfelix> apt-cache search CRM
[03:26] <gdh> kayfelix: lspci just queries the PCI bus, asks for a list of IDs and converts those IDs into readable model and manufacturer names - it says nothing about whether a driver for thsoe devices isloaded or working.
[03:26] <kalenedrael> what is CRM?
[03:26] <boga> thanks for that command
[03:26] <kayfelix> gdh: so what do you suggest?
[03:27] <gdh> if it was detected and a driver is available, a driver for your tv card should already have been loaded...
[03:27] <gdh> if not you might be out of luck
[03:27] <gdh> you can try 'sudo modprobe bttv' at a pinch
[03:27] <gdh> but that's clutching at straws
[03:28] <kayfelix> thats good, i love staws
[03:28] <kayfelix> ok, no output whatsoever
[03:28] <gdh> kayfelix: no, there won't be - always use 'dmesg' to see output from drivers
[03:28] <gdh> that shows you the 'kernel ring-buffer'
[03:28] <gdh> it's only the last few lines you'll be interested in
[03:29] <gdh> if bttv has been loaded already, it'll have printed nothing at all
[03:29] <kayfelix> tuner: TV freq (268435455.93) out of range (44-958)
[03:29] <kayfelix> lots of these ...
[03:29] <kayfelix> but looks good right?
[03:29] <kalenedrael> whoa, that's way out of range indeed
[03:29] <gdh> it at least seems like something was found, but xawtv is sending it bad tuning data
[03:29] <kalenedrael> i think you'd be tuning in the visible light range at that frequency
[03:29] <kayfelix> meh, thats alrite, im on composite anyway
[03:30] <gdh> 26 THz - don't think your TV card would go that high :)
[03:30] <kalenedrael> haha, indeed
[03:30] <kalenedrael> i believe that would be 268THz, actually
[03:30] <gdh> is it?  <shrug> I've had a few :)
[03:30] <kayfelix> its a good Tvcard you know...
[03:30] <gdh> no analogue TV card is good :) I'm a DVB person :)
[03:30] <kalenedrael> haha :P
[03:31] <kayfelix> lol
[03:31] <kalenedrael> you know what, i'll buy that 'non-functional' tv card off you if it could tune that high
[03:31] <kayfelix> right so its there, its good and groovy
[03:31] <kayfelix> kalenedrael: sure, i'll send you my anonymous paypal account later and will ship upon receipt of money ;)
[03:32] <kalenedrael> haha
[03:32] <kayfelix> axwtv output: tuner: TV freq (268435455.93) out of range (44-958)
[03:32] <kayfelix> and : tuner: TV freq (268435455.93) out of range (44-958)
[03:33] <gdh> did you not find the clicky option in xawtv to change the input type to composte?
[03:33] <kayfelix> its composite1 but i guess it started tuning before i could fully change it
[03:33] <kayfelix> now its just sending the first error "ioctl: " .....
[03:34] <gdh> yah, use 'dmesg -c' to print and clear the buffer :)
[03:35] <gdh> right it's time for bed. nna.
[03:35] <kayfelix> lol ok
[03:35] <kayfelix> sleep well gdh
[03:35] <kayfelix> im going soon too
[03:35] <kayfelix> ttyl
[03:37] <kayfelix> using gdh as a good example, i will now go to bed
[03:37] <kayfelix> nn every1
[03:56] <elvirolo> anyone around ?
[04:18] <k-0tik> anybody here use minicom?
[04:28] <k-0tik> anybody here use minicom?
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Chameleon22
[04:29] <Chameleon22> hello
[04:30] <Nalioth> howdy
[04:30] <k-0tik> yo
[04:30] <k-0tik> yo
[04:30] <k-0tik> yo
[04:30] <k-0tik> shit
[04:30] <k-0tik> anybody here use minicom?
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> not me sory
[04:32] <k-0tik> ah, its weird, im trying to configure it but there doesn't seem to be a configuration file
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> what is it?
[04:34] <k-0tik> its like hyperterminal
[04:34] <k-0tik> dial into systems
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh ok.
[04:37] <frogtone25> i need to know who to work kde menu editor
[04:38] <frogtone25> i cant figure out what to put into the command section for mozilla firefox
[04:38] <frogtone25> im trying to get firefox onto the k menu
[04:39] <k-0tik> firefox
[04:39] <frogtone25> just firefox
[04:39] <k-0tik> yea
[04:39] <k-0tik> if you aren' tsure open a terminal and type firefox
[04:40] <k-0tik> see what happens
[04:40] <frogtone25> i did
[04:40] <frogtone25> it opened
[04:40] <frogtone25> but ive tried firefox
[04:40] <k-0tik> thats the command
[04:40] <k-0tik> ohhh
[04:40] <k-0tik> i know
[04:40] <frogtone25> as the command on menu editor
[04:40] <frogtone25> it wont work
[04:40] <k-0tik> you have to put it in the location of the binary
[04:40] <frogtone25> which binary
[04:41] <frogtone25> firefox-bin
[04:41] <k-0tik> idunno, its probably /etc/mozilla/firefox, or /usr/bin/firefox
[04:41] <k-0tik> something lik ethat
[04:41] <frogtone25> ok
[04:42] <k-0tik> it should be located where all your other program binaries are in just look around
[04:42] <frogtone25> ok i put that in
[04:42] <frogtone25> i have ' makes around it
[04:42] <frogtone25> marks
[04:43] <frogtone25> i have ' marks around the command name
[04:43] <frogtone25> is that ok
[04:43] <frogtone25> it says '/usr/bin/firefox'
[04:43] <frogtone25> will that work
[04:44] <frogtone25> that doesnt work
[04:46] <Nalioth> try mozilla-firefox
[04:48] <frogtone25> nope
[04:49] <Nalioth> frogtone25: open a terminal
[04:49] <frogtone25> ok
[04:49] <Nalioth> frogtone25: type "which firefox"
[04:49] <frogtone25> says /usr/bin/firefox
[04:50] <frogtone25> is that what i put
[04:50] <Nalioth> then "firefox" oughta do it
[04:50] <frogtone25> just firefox
[04:50] <Nalioth> yup
[04:50] <frogtone25> not /usr/bin/firefox
[04:51] <Nalioth> nope, just firefox
[04:51] <frogtone25> its not working
[04:51] <frogtone25> and i do have it installed
[04:52] <frogtone25> ok
[04:52] <frogtone25> is there anything else i should do to make this work
[04:52] <frogtone25> like in the description part
[04:52] <frogtone25> or work path
[04:52] <frogtone25> what about firefox%u
[04:53] <frogtone25> isnt there something like that on there
[04:53] <Nalioth> something is wrong
[04:53] <Nalioth> if it aint working, something is broken
[04:53] <frogtone25> ok
[04:53] <Nalioth> where are you running it from? terminal? run menu?
[04:53] <frogtone25> terminal
[04:54] <frogtone25> terminal is the only place i can open it from
[04:54] <frogtone25> when i open synaptic it doesnt say anything about broken packages
[04:55] <frogtone25> so what do you think is wrong
[04:56] <frogtone25> and when i try to install firefox with synaptic this is what i get
[04:56] <frogtone25> firefox:
[04:56] <frogtone25> Package firefox has no available version, but exists in the database.
[04:56] <frogtone25> This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list
[04:56] <Nalioth> use synaptic and search for "firefox"
[04:56] <frogtone25> and i have all of my original repositories on there
[04:57] <frogtone25> i did
[04:57] <frogtone25> firefox say that above when i try to install firefox
[04:57] <frogtone25> but i can install mozilla-firefox
[04:57] <frogtone25> should i install both
[04:57] <chavo> install mozilla-firefox
[04:58] <frogtone25> i did
[04:58] <frogtone25> ive uninstalled and installed it like 4 times already
[04:59] <frogtone25> can i somehow install the original from the ubuntu disc
[04:59] <frogtone25> and update that
[04:59] <Nalioth> frogtone25: in the terminal, type "file /usr/bin/firefox"
[05:00] <frogtone25> it opens
[05:00] <Nalioth> huh?
[05:01] <frogtone25> do what
[05:01] <Nalioth> it shouldnt open anything
[05:01] <frogtone25> oh
[05:01] <frogtone25> it says /usr/bin/firefox: symbolic link to `../lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox'
[05:02] <Nalioth> ok now type "ls -l /usr/bin/firefox"
[05:03] <frogtone25> what does that do
[05:04] <frogtone25> its in different colors
[05:04] <frogtone25> blue and green
[05:04] <frogtone25> what do i do know
[05:04] <frogtone25> what do i do now
[05:05] <Nalioth> paste what it said
[05:05] <frogtone25> i did
[05:05] <frogtone25> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 30 Sep  2 21:30 /usr/bin/firefox -> ../lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox
[05:05] <frogtone25> i got this
[05:05] <frogtone25> the /usr/bin/firefox is blue
[05:06] <frogtone25> and the /lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox is green
[05:06] <frogtone25> what does this mean
[05:06] <Nalioth> frogtone25: blue is a link, green an executable
[05:07] <frogtone25> ok
[05:07] <Nalioth> blue can also be a folder
[05:07] <frogtone25> so i put the green into the command part of kde menu editor
[05:07] <Nalioth> hang on
[05:07] <Nalioth> you are having trouble
[05:07] <frogtone25> ok
[05:08] <Nalioth> something is wrong
[05:08] <Nalioth> open your konqueror and go into your .mozilla-firefox or .firefox directorys in your $HOME
[05:09] <frogtone25> ok
[05:09] <frogtone25> im in
[05:09] <frogtone25> now what
[05:09] <Nalioth> enable invisible items
[05:10] <frogtone25> like view ---> show hidden items
[05:10] <frogtone25> ive done that
[05:11] <frogtone25> i think i know what it is
[05:11] <Nalioth> what do you see with firefox in it (that starts with a .)
[05:11] <frogtone25> do you know anyone who uses gasbuddy extension for firefox
[05:12] <frogtone25> i installed it earlier and after i restarted firefox it stopped working
[05:12] <frogtone25> cant i just erase this
[05:13] <Nalioth> if you can find the gasbuddy thing, you can see if that fixes it
[05:14] <frogtone25> i did
[05:14] <Nalioth> i was gonna suggest you remove your settings directory to somewhere else
[05:14] <frogtone25> and i erased the info from the the extension document
[05:15] <frogtone25> im a genius
[05:15] <frogtone25> that fixed it
[05:15] <frogtone25> and the command is /usr/bin/firefox
[05:15] <frogtone25> for kde menu editor
[05:15] <Nalioth> frogtone25: you can get away with just "firefox"
[05:15] <frogtone25> idn
[05:15] <frogtone25> hold on
[05:16] <Nalioth> ask Uncle Google about $PATH and what it does
[05:16] <frogtone25> firefox works too
[05:16] <frogtone25> it was the gasbuddy
[05:17] <frogtone25> i wanted it to check gas prices
[05:17] <Nalioth> alrighty then
[05:17] <frogtone25> and it mucked up my firefox
[05:17] <frogtone25> alright thanks
[05:39] <dicrapio> hello, quick ques, where do i place i'd like executed at startup?
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> crontab?
[05:40] <Nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: not crontab
[05:40] <Nalioth> dicrapio: ask in #ubuntu
[05:41] <dicrapio> i went there but it says i have to register?
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nalioth: fair enough
[05:41] <Nalioth> dicrapio: type /msg nickserv help register
[05:41] <Nalioth> dicrapio: and follow nickservs instructions
[05:41] <dicrapio> k
[05:41] <dicrapio> thx
[06:03] <Nalioth> mushtaq: get your memo?
[06:04] <mushtaq> hi i have installed kubuntu in powerpc but this is taking me to text mode
[06:04] <mushtaq> hi Nalioth what is that ?
[06:04] <mushtaq> Nalioth, but i can log in there ;) thanks
[06:04] <Nalioth> mushtaq: check your server page, i left you a memo
[06:04] <mushtaq> Nalioth, how to read that ?
[06:05] <Nalioth> mushtaq: look on your server tab/window
[06:05] <mushtaq> Nalioth, i have installed kubuntu in powerpc and it is taking me to text mode when i use startx it works
[06:05] <mushtaq> Nalioth, yes i can see new memo but how to read that ?
[06:05] <Nalioth> mushtaq: /msg memoserv help
[06:06] <Nalioth> mushtaq: you are on a mac. and have installed kubuntu, but get no X?
[06:06] <mushtaq> Nalioth, yes i can go inside with startx but not default directly
[06:07] <Nalioth> mushtaq: ah, i may have a fix, but i think you should ask in #ubuntu first (my fix is ugly but it works)
[06:08] <mushtaq> Nalioth, just say
[06:08] <Nalioth> ask in #ubuntu, they won't bite
[06:09] <mushtaq> :d
[06:09] <mushtaq> i am there
[06:09] <mushtaq> ;)
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> they do bite ;)
[06:10] <mushtaq> Kamping_Kaiser, do you know the answer for this ?
[06:12] <Nalioth> doesnt matter what hardware you've put it on, this is a software question
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nalioth: sure, but sometimes people will bite Kubuntu questions in Ubuntu...
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> mushtaq: no, I'm not sure. i cant be much help to you
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't know how kdm is initalised :|
[06:13] <Nalioth> mushtaq: you dont even have to mention kubuntu, you have an X diffeculty
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> mushtaq: do you have symlinks to kdm in init.d and rc2.d?
[06:14] <mushtaq> Nalioth, ok
[06:14] <mushtaq> Kamping_Kaiser, havent checked
[06:15] <Nalioth> mushtaq: dont be mucking about in those files
[06:15] <Nalioth> mushtaq: just look
[06:16] <mushtaq> Kamping_Kaiser, i didnt understand where to check
[06:16] <Nalioth> mushtaq: have you asked uncle google?
[06:16] <Nalioth> mushtaq: it is a common thing (i cant remember the correct fix)
[06:17] <mushtaq> Kamping_Kaiser, but there is not any link to kdm
[06:17] <mushtaq> Nalioth, nope
[06:17] <Nalioth> ask uncle google
[06:17] <mushtaq> Nalioth, i tried with it but ...doesnt worked
[06:17] <mushtaq> Nalioth, ok
[06:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> no link to kdm? sounds bad :S
[07:21] <gnajar> hi; is it possible in KMail to configure or setup the timeout period for STMP server?
[07:21] <gnajar> join #kmail
[07:49] <ohphracku> why would hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc  spit out operation not permitted even as root
[07:49] <ohphracku> ?
[07:50] <Nalioth> ask and run ask and run
[07:50] <Nalioth> wtf?
[08:16] <dabugas> hi
[08:18] <dabugas> text seems a bit blurry at size 11 (freesans) on my 1024x768. any ideas on how to get it crisper?
[09:55] <seaLne> Riddell: any idea why bugs i submit on launchpad don't show up if i search for them? https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1784 https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2048
[10:07] <spiral> hi
[10:07] <spiral> hi
[10:08] <Nalioth> howdy
[10:13] <Nalioth> heh
[10:15] <seaLne> admitadly bugs.d.o is one of the best ways to get spam
[10:19] <chakie> good morning
[10:20] <Nalioth> howdy
[10:36] <chakie> it took a few hours, but now my kubuntu is in the same shape as my debian was before
[10:37] <chakie> on my wishlist would be easier nis integration and nfs mounting
[10:37] <Nalioth> chakie: kewll
[10:43] <Samout> hey... i'm having a problem using gtk root applications. Since i installed gtk2-engine-gtk-qt all of the applications that require root access look grey. They don't use the blue color i have in my other applications. All the other gtk applications do use the color, so it's only those who prompt me for the password when opening them. Any idea what could be the case?
[10:44] <Samout> i have a scerrshot if you want that
[10:47] <chavo> Samout, run kcontrol as root and configure the gtk theme from there.
[10:48] <Samout> i'll try that
[10:48] <Samout> :D
[10:48] <chavo> Samout, it won't change automatically when you change your theme though
[10:49] <chavo> but I picked a nice theme and color scheme for root,
[10:49] <Samout> yeah i have to restart kde
[10:49] <chavo> it reminds me that I'm running as root
[10:49] <Samout> nice :D
[10:50] <Samout> hey i think i could find it my self too but do you know how to allow root login in kdm
[10:52] <chavo> No.  and I wouldn't recommend it if I did know
[10:53] <chakie> root is for short bursts of "su" or "sudo" use only
[10:54] <Samout> if i sudo kcontrol is it in root mode even though it doesn't seem so
[10:55] <chakie> what would you need that for?
[10:55] <chakie> for the parts that need a root password?
[10:55] <Samout> hey... i'm having a problem using gtk root applications. Since i installed gtk2-engine-gtk-qt all of the applications that require root access look grey. They don't use the blue color i have in my other applications. All the other gtk applications do use the color, so it's only those who prompt me for the password when opening them. Any idea what could be the case?
[10:56] <Samout>  <Samout> hey... i'm having a problem using gtk root applications. Since i installed gtk2-engine-gtk-qt all of the applications that require root access look grey. They don't use the blue color i have in my other applications. All the other gtk applications do use the color, so it's only those who prompt me for the password when opening them. Any idea what could be the case?
[10:56] <Samout> [11:44:35]  <Samout> i have a scerrshot if you want that
[10:56] <Samout> [11:48:17]  <chavo> Samout, run kcontrol as root and configure the gtk theme from there.
[10:56] <chakie> ok :)
[10:56] <Samout> it's just that chavo said so
[10:56] <Samout> :D
[10:56] <Samout> i figured i'd try
[10:57] <chakie> "sudo kcontrol" and it should be run as root
[10:58] <nikkia> chakie: dear god, no
[10:58] <nikkia> never run GUI apps with 'sudo'
[10:58] <nikkia> use kdesu
[10:58] <chakie> ok, i stand corrected
[10:58] <Nalioth> howdy nikkia! did you wake up just for that? lol
[10:58] <chakie> i can't think of when i wouldn't needed that though
[10:59] <chakie> "would've"
[10:59] <nikkia> Nalioth: no, i was busy programming in another desktop, and switching to this every couple of minutes to see if there was anything worth commenting on
[10:59] <Samout> kdesu?
[10:59] <Nalioth> nikkia: wow you sure commented, lol
[10:59] <nikkia> chakie: sudo'ing GUI apps causes them to touch various KDE/Qt/DCOP sockets as root, often leaving the system unusable by the non-root user
[11:00] <nikkia> chakie: its a REALLY bad idea
[11:00] <Nalioth> Samout: a frontend for kde to run the sudo command.
[11:00] <Nalioth> Samout: as nikkia points out, running sudo on kde apps, can cause trouble for your box
[11:00] <nikkia> kdesu on the other hand, makes sure that those socket accesses are wrapped in a way that is KDE friendly
[11:00] <Samout> ok thanks for that... didn't know it
[11:01] <Nalioth> heh
[11:02] <Samout> :D
[11:04] <chakie> nikkia: ack!
[11:04] <nikkia> ?
[11:04] <chakie> nikkia: acknowledgement of "it's a bad idea..."
[11:04] <nikkia> oh
[11:07] <Samout> awesome!! it works
[11:08] <nikkia> (mostly just copying one of the examples to start with, but i find that i learn the way it works better by copying line for line, rather than 'cp example.c  my_first_code.c' :)
[11:08] <nikkia> Nalioth: you don't even know what DSSI is, i bet :P
[11:09] <Nalioth> zzZZzzZZzzZZ snort ...ZZ what?
[11:09] <Nalioth> nikkia: sorry, not much of a programmer, just that light stuff called html/css/javascript
[11:09] <chakie> i don't
[11:10] <nikkia> chakie: DSSI = Disposable Soft-Synth Interface, a 'temporary' solution to the need for a common soft-synth plugin system on linux/unix-alikes
[11:11] <Nalioth> nikkia: music business?
[11:11] <nikkia> Nalioth: music stuff, yeah
[11:11] <chakie> nikkia: ah, never really done anything with audio
[11:11] <nikkia> Nalioth: there aren't really a lot of decent soft-synths for linux (lots of modular stuff, and a couple of sample players), and using the VSTi wrappers tends to be unreliable
[11:12] <nikkia> the VSTi wrappers tend to either work or not, on a given plugin, thats not so much of a problem, but then you find that when you kill the plugin, it usually takes X with it :)
[11:12] <Nalioth> nikkia: i like music, but dont ask me to play anything
[11:14] <nikkia> (oh, and rather annoyingly, the 'best' soft-synth on linux hasn't been updated in close to 3 years, relies on old audio drivers and doesn't support new stuff like JACK)
[11:17] <nikkia> rather nicely
[11:17] <nikkia> DSSI is easier than music programming on windows :)
[11:17] <nikkia> altho i'd say its a bit of a wash between DSSI and AudioUnits/CoreAudio
[11:21] <fatejudger> how do I mount network drives in Kubuntu?
[11:23] <chakie> fatejudger: open remote:/ in konqueror
[11:23] <chakie> fatejudger: there is a "Add a remote..."
[11:25] <fatejudger> chakie: ok thanks
[11:27] <fatejudger> chakie: I tried "Add a network folder"
[11:28] <fatejudger> chakie: but I can't seem to connect to the computer
[11:28] <chakie> fatejudger: windows system?
[11:28] <fatejudger> chakie: yeah, the other computer is a Windows computer
[11:28] <chakie> fatejudger: ok, there i can't really help. i find smb to be a bit random...
[11:28] <fatejudger> chakie: I selected "Microsoft Windows Network drive"
[11:29] <fatejudger> should I go on the #samba channel then?
[11:29] <chakie> i don't have any windows shares here at home, so i can't really test that
[11:29] <Nalioth> fatejudger: you might have better luck
[11:29] <chakie> fatejudger: or maybe #kde
[12:24] <mvv> i've reinstalled kubuntu from scratch and my resolution is fucked up. Is there a tool for this?
[12:25] <Nalioth_zZz> !tell mvv about resolution
[12:28] <Antiliis> hi! I'm a question: has Kubuntu an update-notifier as Ubuntu has?
[12:28] <OculusAquilae> Antiliis: no
[12:29] <OculusAquilae> Antiliis: in hoary not
[12:29] <Antiliis> and.... in breezy?
[12:29] <OculusAquilae> no, but may come until october
[12:30] <Antiliis> mmmmm ok... maybe Ubuntu's update-notifer could go by default in Kubuntu, without changes, I guess...
[12:30] <OculusAquilae> hm, its a gnome app
[12:31] <OculusAquilae> i think there is a kde one, but i think we are waiting for libapt-front
[12:32] <Antiliis> yeah, it's gtk, but works well and it can be integrated into the kde status dockler...
[12:32] <Antiliis> ah, ok
[12:32] <Antiliis> perfect, thank you, I think update-notifier it's a good tool
[12:33] <OculusAquilae> right
[12:40] <falemagn> hello
[12:41] <falemagn> guys, is there a way to bypass kubuntu's partitioning tool at installation time? It's not able to detect the partitions on one of the hdd's I have
[12:41] <mvv> Nalioth_zZz: i can't get it to work with that.  Btw, previous install it did configure it all perfect :s
[12:42] <Nalioth_zZz> mvv: video, right?
[12:43] <mvv> Nalioth_zZz: yup
[12:43] <mvv> Nalioth_zZz:resolution
[12:43] <Nalioth_zZz> mvv: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" did nothing?
[12:45] <mvv> Nalioth_zZz: yes is did, and i've gone threw the wizzard twice but it still give me a resolution 10 years ago
[12:45] <Nalioth_zZz> mvv: i'm brain dead atm
[12:46] <mvv> Nalioth_zZz: nice :p
[12:46] <Nalioth_zZz> i can only suggest (to get u goin) choose VESA from teh driver choices in the reconfigure wizard
[12:47] <mvv> Nalioth_zZz: trying now... thnx
[12:47] <Nalioth_zZz> mvv: VESA should get you a display (in whatever size you like) until someone more awake or more brainy than I can come along and help you
[12:55] <JessicaX^> hello
[12:56] <JessicaX^> Are there php 5 packages for kubuntu?
[12:57] <JessicaX^> I'm in need of them :(
[12:58] <mvv> Nalioth_zZz: it worked :)  lol now i have two mouse cursors though :p
[01:00] <mvv> argh even in  terminal it's there
[01:01] <mvv> i mean konsole
[01:01] <JessicaX^> Anyone?
[01:20] <nikkia> morning apokryphos
[02:06] <spiritz> I can't remember the name of an equivalent to rpmfind for deb packages. Any clue anyone?
[02:06] <spiritz> I was looking for a website indeed
[02:07] <JessicaX^> apt-get
[02:07] <JessicaX^> ?
[02:07] <spiritz> I found it; rpmseek.com
[02:08] <JessicaX^> :3
[02:28] <dazjorz> Hey
[02:28] <dazjorz> how do I set that root can login with KDE ?
[02:29] <ilba7r> anyone kow of a program that i can use to create a bootable cd
[02:31] <kayfelix> dazjorz: you still here?
[02:31] <kayfelix> ilba7r: k3b
[02:32] <nikkia> kayfelix: 'mkbootcd' is probably the right answer, actually
[02:32] <nikkia> its a debian program that attempts to make a live cd out of your root partition
[02:32] <kayfelix> nikkia: burning an image works with k3b too
[02:32] <nikkia> kayfelix: nothing he said suggested he HAS a bootable CD image, to me
[02:32] <dazjorz> kayfellyeh
[02:33] <dazjorz> kayfelix: yeh
[02:33] <kayfelix> well lol
[02:34] <dazjorz> kayfelix: I want to be able to login as root....
[02:34] <kayfelix> dazjorz: yup
[02:34] <kayfelix> dazjorz: can you use vi and shell?
[02:35] <kayfelix> dazjorz: nvm, you have to edit the file at /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[02:35] <kayfelix> AllowRootLogin=true/false
[02:35] <kayfelix> ;) that will let you login as root at the login prompt of kde
[02:36] <dazjorz> kayfelix: thanks
[02:37] <kayfelix> dazjorz: np
[02:38] <dazjorz> kayfelix: where do I search for in that file ?
[02:38] <dazjorz> "AllowRootLogins"?
[02:38] <kayfelix> dazjorz: you shouldnt have to search for it
[02:38] <kayfelix> should be like 20th line down
[02:38] <kayfelix> "AllowRootLogin=false"
[02:39] <dazjorz> kayfelix: yeh, just changed that
[02:39] <dazjorz> kayfelix: actually, it's the...
[02:39] <kayfelix> dazjorz: its what?
[02:39] <dazjorz> 247th line
[02:39] <dazjorz> heh, lot of comments
[02:39] <kayfelix> dazjorz: thats weird, i have a practically new system and no comments what so ever
[02:39] <kayfelix> :p ah well...
[02:39] <dazjorz> kayfelix: do I have to restart X to reload settings ?
[02:40] <kayfelix> i think not but i dont know
[02:40] <kayfelix> log out of the current session
[02:40] <kayfelix> and press..
[02:40] <kayfelix> CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
[02:40] <kayfelix> that will restart X
[02:40] <dazjorz> ctrl alt bckspace restarts x
[02:40] <dazjorz> :P
[02:40] <kayfelix> :p
[02:40] <dazjorz> <-- knows
[02:40] <kayfelix> lol type /me knows
[02:40] <dazjorz> <-- knows that too
[02:40] <kayfelix> well arent you a bright one ;)
[02:40] <kayfelix> right im going out, cya later :p
[02:41] <dazjorz> cya
[02:55] <frogtone25> does anybody know where i can get some good divx codecs
[03:11] <stoeptegel> how do i install the k7 kernel? i can't find it in kynaptic
[04:15] <_tom> hi @all
[06:11] <kayfelix> anyone have experience with KUBUNTU + HAUPPAGE WinTV?
[06:18] <Trip> Hi zusammen
[06:51] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hey
[06:51] <apokryphos> hi
[06:51] <ztonzy> apokryphos, do you know Gparted ?
[06:51] <apokryphos> sorry I missed you earlier; having hassle trying to set up my new comp
[06:51] <apokryphos> I know of it
[06:52] <ztonzy> aha, what specs ?
[06:52] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I just want to able to change some partitions
[06:53] <apokryphos> amd64 3400+
[06:53] <ztonzy> I have only 512MB of RAM, and I heard it is best to either have 256MB (or max 512) swapspace, I've got 1GB
[06:53] <ztonzy> nice
[06:54] <ztonzy> apokryphos, and so I would like to resize the swap partion, is it possible ?
[06:54] <apokryphos> probably, sure. I gotta get back to it -- people waiting for me. BBL.
[06:54] <ztonzy> get back ?
[06:55] <Xorlev> ztonzy: I follow the rule of twice as much swap space as physical memory.
[06:56] <ztonzy> Xorlev, aha...so my 1GB is correct ?
[06:56] <Xorlev> I have 1gb of RAM, so I have a 2gb swap partition.
[06:56] <Xorlev> Really its personal preference for swap, but two times is a nice rule to follow.
[06:56] <ztonzy> btw, another topic...is there still people having problems with Konqueror crashing ?
[06:56] <ztonzy> Xorlev, thanks
[06:57] <Xorlev> np
[06:57] <ztonzy> I used kde for a while...until I got tired of all the crashes
[06:57] <Xorlev> And I've never had Konqueror crash on me, but I only use it for file browsing. I use FireFox to browse the web.
[06:58] <Xorlev> ztonzy: Did you have freezing issues?
[06:58] <ztonzy> it is issues with firefox...it is like eating memory...after a while it laggs whole system
[06:58] <ztonzy> Xorlev, Konqueror ?  no...more crashes
[06:58] <Xorlev> So FireFox has a memory leak?
[06:58] <Xorlev> You might try out Opera
[06:58] <ztonzy> so right now I am browsing with Epiphany...faster and no lag as ff
[06:58] <ztonzy> Xorlev, it seams it is leaking
[07:00] <Xorlev> I love FireFox, but it really needs to cut down on memory usage.
[07:01] <ztonzy> Xorlev, indeed...I also tried the alpha "Deer park alpha2"
[07:01] <ztonzy> very much faster, but still such lagging
[07:01] <Xorlev> 153.64mb of ram used by it right now.
[07:01] <ztonzy> heh
[07:02] <ztonzy> Epiphany is using 121.4 MB here...but I also run mplayerplugin, webradio...
[07:02] <ztonzy> but that browser never lags
[07:03] <ztonzy> not yet what I have seen
[07:03] <Xorlev> Meh, KDE at 50% CPU, so 25% between 2 processors.
[07:03] <ztonzy> 2 ?
[07:03] <ztonzy> I only have one
[07:03] <Xorlev> Two logical processors, one physical.
[07:03] <ztonzy> uhm, how does that work ?
[07:04] <Xorlev> (Hyperthreading)
[07:05] <Xorlev> Well, the data input isn't fast enough (or something like that) so they created two lines to the processor, so you basically have two processors in the eyes of the Kernel.
[07:05] <ztonzy> Xorlev, must be an expert for that ?
[07:06] <Xorlev> Nope.
[07:07] <Xorlev> HyperThreading Technology comes with modern P4s, and as long as the mainboard supports it you can recompile your kernel for a SMP setup.
[07:07] <ztonzy> aha...AMD XP2800+ here
[07:07] <Xorlev> http://www.intel.com/technology/hyperthread/
[07:07] <Xorlev> I think AMD was coming out with something similar
[07:07] <Xorlev> Not sure
[07:09] <ztonzy> in 2 months, my system is about 2 years old...except for the mobo, had to buy a new one in march, cause the former mobo got bad before one year went by
[07:09] <Xorlev> Mine is near there too.
[07:11] <ztonzy> soliste, I would like to speed up system, but I think I wait, it is enough...but what I dont like...is that XP feels more responsive to user-perspective than linux(Ubuntu-gnome)
[07:11] <Xorlev> XP! *hiss*
[07:11] <ztonzy> hehe
[07:12] <ztonzy> I just say it feels faster to use...quicker gui responses that some linux stuff
[07:12] <ztonzy> but then...if you have loads of crap on it..it lags as well
[07:12] <Xorlev> My XP was near dead before I just started using Ubuntu...then made it Kubuntu
[07:14] <ztonzy> hmm
[07:14] <Xorlev> At first I didn't like it as much
[07:14] <Xorlev> Then as I kept using it its become the only OS for me.
[07:15] <ztonzy> I actually should swap hd's between linux/xp...I think my xp hd is faster than linux one...the xp is a maxtor 80gb with 8mb cache(ata133), the linux is a seagate 80gb with 2mb cache(ata100)
[07:15] <Xorlev> Its hard at times, and testing, but the level of control is unsurpassed.
[07:15] <Xorlev> And I know I'm reasonably secure.
[07:16] <ztonzy> Xorlev, how do you mean? (secure)
[07:16] <Xorlev> Besides having multiple layers of firewalls, Linux is harder by at least 10 fold to XP.
[07:17] <Chousuke> multiple layers of firewalls? :<
[07:17] <Chousuke> wtf.
[07:17] <Xorlev> Some Linux machines left open with default configs lasted months before being compromised. Windows lasts a few hours.
[07:17] <Xorlev> Chousuke: Hardware firewall at router level, then software.
[07:17] <ztonzy> I thought Ubuntu didn't need it, cause no open ports by default
[07:17] <Chousuke> Xorlev: ah
[07:17] <Xorlev> I'm paranoid.
[07:17] <Chousuke> At some point it didn't last 5 seconds
[07:18] <Chousuke> with blaster :P
[07:18] <Xorlev> Well, a few hours is how long it takes for some worm to scan that range.
[07:18] <Xorlev> And then infection probably takes under a second.
[07:18] <Chousuke> one windows install was like this: Install windows, spends three hours removing blaster, argh,
[07:18] <Chousuke> and then I quit :p
[07:18] <Chousuke> I was unprepared.
[07:18] <Chousuke> I should've had a CD with a firewall with me.
[07:18] <ztonzy> talking about windows or linux ?
[07:18] <Xorlev> I know, I'm a netadmin. I have to do Windows installs and such.
[07:19] <Chousuke> Windows.
[07:19] <Chousuke> XP
[07:19] <ztonzy> ah
[07:19] <ztonzy> yes...happened me once too...install xp ...pow! blaster on the machine
[07:19] <Xorlev> Before I came, the previous guy was lax at security. And I was installing Windows on a machine, and 30 seconds after it booted for the first time it was on a botnet.
[07:19] <Chousuke> I haven't had windows for 2 years now :)
[07:20] <ztonzy> Xorlev, I thought at first you talked about double firewalls on Kubuntu ;)
[07:20] <Chousuke> Iptables is a good firewall
[07:20] <Xorlev> So I got SP1 on a CD, and secured it at the first line firewall level.
[07:20] <Chousuke> a bit complicated perhaps.
[07:20] <Xorlev> I use Firestarter on a software level. I don't need the meticulous control of iptables.
[07:21] <Chousuke> I wasn't able to write my own iptables script either.
[07:21] <Chousuke> I was able to do it with ipfw though :)
[07:21] <Xorlev> As I see it, if I want something inbound, I'll establish a TCP connection.
[07:21] <Chousuke> (FreeBSD's firewall.)
[07:21] <Xorlev> Yer, I use FreeBSD too.
[07:21] <Chousuke> FreeBSD is a nice system
[07:21] <Xorlev> <3 FreeBSD
[07:22] <Chousuke> not something I'd install on a desktop though. :/
[07:22] <Xorlev> No, definately not a desktop OS.
[07:22] <Chousuke> I'm currently using OS X, and it is good.
[07:22] <Xorlev> OSX seems nice, but Mac isn't really for me.
[07:22] <Chousuke> It'ss maybe not meant for the control freaks, but it's powerful.
[07:23] <Xorlev> I prefer open source Linux to closed source Unix based OS X.
[07:23] <Chousuke> And beautiful ;)
[07:23] <Xorlev> Yes, its nothing if not beautiful.
[07:23] <Chousuke> Xorlev: Darwin is free though. :)
[07:23] <Xorlev> True
[07:24] <Xorlev> But I still like being able to read the source code for 95% of what I use.
[07:24] <Chousuke> Yeah, hehe
[07:24] <ManLord> why does kaffeine opens all divx files in a folder???
[07:25] <Xorlev> Did you select "Open Directory"?
[07:25] <ManLord> no
[07:25] <ManLord> click on the file in konqueror
[07:25] <Chousuke> It's not that expensive either. Only 22 euros including shipping.
[07:26] <Xorlev> The pure freedom it allows too, I mean, I can go and recompile my kernel any time I need/want to.
[07:26] <ManLord> but it does not start with the one i clicked, but with the first one everytime
[07:27] <Xorlev> I use XMMS and Xine personally...Kaffene is just too unstable for me.
[07:31] <Tm_T> amaroK <3
[07:31] <Xorlev> amaroK is nice, but I prefer the Winampyness of XMMS.
[07:31] <Tm_T> :/
[07:32] <Tm_T> I did too, but when I got used to amaroK, I love it
[07:39] <ManLord> yeah amarok is the best
[07:39] <ManLord> but i'm talking about video
[07:39] <ManLord> divx
[07:42] <Tm_T> hum
[07:42] <Tm_T> Kplayer?
[07:42] <Tm_T> Kaffeine stinks
[07:44] <ManLord> but kaffeine uses KAviPlugin to play avi..
[07:45] <ManLord> is it because of KAviPlugin that it opens all the files in that folder?
[08:11] <fromoze> apokryphos: ping
[08:15] <Xorlev> Is it just my internet, or is CPAN not resolving?
[08:25] <apokryphos> fromoze: 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=98.8 ms
[08:25] <apokryphos> hi :)
[08:46] <huhmz> Hi. I tried upgrading to breezy but now my fonts are "invisible" (not found?) in firefox and thunderbird, anyone know what the problem is?
[08:54] <Tm_T> breezy
[08:54] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[08:55] <modmonkey2005> is there ne way to install kubuntu onto a computer that already has hoary installed, but without an internet connection
[08:55] <modmonkey2005> ?
[08:56] <Tm_T> just download Kubuntu and KDE-related packages and burn them to cd and install them
[08:57] <Tm_T> hard way but works
[08:57] <modmonkey2005> lol
[08:57] <modmonkey2005> on a dialup conxn?
[08:57] <modmonkey2005> i've got a hoary install cd i got from online
[08:57] <modmonkey2005> 5.04
[08:57] <Tm_T> well, you can order Kubuntu-dvd if you can't download them
[08:57] <modmonkey2005> lol
[08:58] <modmonkey2005> there isnt ne where i can find on the kubuntu site that me, in the US, can buy it
[08:58] <Tm_T> hum
[08:59] <Tm_T> http://www.kubuntu.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=30
[08:59] <modmonkey2005> and on a dialup, tryin to dl the kubunut-dvd is gonna take an insane freakin time on 2-4kbps
[08:59] <modmonkey2005> dl speed
[08:59] <Tm_T> yup
[09:00] <Tm_T> I'm sure they ship dvd:s to you =)
[09:00] <modmonkey2005> i can get the dvd (in USD) from that link?
[09:00] <Tm_T> well, yeah
[09:01] <modmonkey2005> cept..i cant read german
[09:01] <Tm_T> I can't imagine why you can't use money as money
[09:01] <modmonkey2005> lol
[09:01] <Tm_T> there's link to english
[09:01] <modmonkey2005> really?
[09:01] <Tm_T> I can't either
[09:01] <modmonkey2005> nvm
[09:01] <modmonkey2005> lol
[09:01] <Tm_T> I never learnt deutch
[09:02] <modmonkey2005> lol
[09:02] <modmonkey2005> me neither
[09:03] <modmonkey2005> whats 3 euros in USD? do u kno?
[09:03] <Tm_T> 4-5
[09:03] <Tm_T> not too much
[09:04] <modmonkey2005> cool
[09:04] <modmonkey2005> u ordered from there at all?
[09:04] <modmonkey2005> that link i mean
[09:04] <modmonkey2005> cuz i'm still pretty new to the linux scene
[09:04] <Tm_T> you can always buy windowsXP, it's only ~200 ;--P
[09:04] <modmonkey2005> lol
[09:04] <modmonkey2005> i hate windows
[09:04] <Tm_T> no, I never bought a thing from there
[09:04] <Tm_T> I don't need to ;)
[09:04] <modmonkey2005> lol
[09:04] <Tm_T> no shit
[09:05] <Tm_T> movie ->
[09:05] <modmonkey2005> i just keep it cuz there arent that many games (at all really) that are ne good for linux, let alone that many linux drivers
[09:06] <modmonkey2005> i just need to get dsl or faster, so i can atleast download stuff i would need
[09:07] <modmonkey2005> cuz dialup aint cuttin it for shit
[09:07] <modmonkey2005> half hr for a 2.5meg file
[09:07] <modmonkey2005> lol
[09:07] <Blissex> modmonkey2005: KUbuntu has this large advantage over Debian for modem users...
[09:08] <modmonkey2005> what?
[09:08] <modmonkey2005> what advantage
[09:08] <Blissex> modmonkey2005: since it is released often you can get fairly often CDs with updates (twice a year) and add those to APT.
[09:08] <modmonkey2005> yea...but if u read up some, u'll see my dilema
[09:08] <Blissex> modmonkey2005: with Debian you got to update everything online.
[09:08] <modmonkey2005> cuz i dont got linux on this comp
[09:09] <Blissex> modmonkey2005: just joined, what was your dilemma
[09:09] <modmonkey2005> i got it on the one upstairs (the one w/o internet)
[09:10] <Blissex> modmonkey2005: that can be fixed pretty easily with internet connection sharing and a length of CAT5 cable...
[09:10] <Blissex> modmonkey2005: however, continue...
[09:22] <_StarScream> ztonzy: depends on what you want from a desktop
[09:23] <ztonzy> _StarScream, sure...I have been going back and forth between gnome and kde
[09:23] <_StarScream> ztonzy: what sort of thing are you looking for from a desktop?
[09:24] <ztonzy> _StarScream, well...speed...but still usefull gui
[09:25] <_StarScream> ztonzy: tried xfce?
[09:25] <ztonzy> _StarScream, yes I have it installed :)
[09:25] <_StarScream> ztonzy: or enlightenment
[09:25] <ztonzy> havent used it in a week or so
[09:25] <ztonzy> _StarScream, yes...but I didnt like it
[09:25] <_StarScream> ah k..
[09:25] <_StarScream> well KDE is fast once its loaded
[09:26] <_StarScream> but it does take a while to get there
[09:26] <ztonzy> and one sad thing...I use webbrowser a lot...and the default browser (Firefox and mozilla) seems to have memoryleak...which lags whole system
[09:26] <ztonzy> _StarScream, yes
[09:26] <slow-motion> hello
[09:26] <_StarScream> ztonzy: ahh...konq is for you :)
[09:26] <_StarScream> konqueror rocks
[09:26] <ztonzy> _StarScream, konqueror...yes maybe...but too bad it crashed a lot for me before :-(
[09:27] <_StarScream> really?
[09:27] <ztonzy> yupp
[09:27] <ztonzy> one of those things that made me not stay all the way
[09:27] <_StarScream> thats odd..konqueror hasn't crashed for me since 3.1.x
[09:27] <_StarScream> tried opera?
[09:28] <ztonzy> yes...didnt like it either...but Konqueror IS fast - I know...but I dont like it crashing that much
[09:28] <ztonzy> _StarScream, but there are others that have had similar issues...from 3.4.*
[09:29] <_StarScream> ztonzy: hmm well not sure about the crashing thing as i haven't experienced it but i don't really know any other browsers sorry
[09:29] <ztonzy> maybe I shall give it a go again
[09:29] <_StarScream> a dev?
[09:30] <ztonzy> _StarScream, developer :P
[09:30] <_StarScream> have you filed a bug report..
[09:30] <_StarScream> when konq crashes you can get a stack trace
[09:30] <ztonzy> _StarScream, no but I have read others
[09:31] <ztonzy> yes, but it said the same as others backtrace/reports
[09:31] <_StarScream> well i guess your stuck then :P
[09:31] <ztonzy> haha
[09:31] <ztonzy> hmm
[09:32] <_StarScream> ztonzy: can you find thte bug report for me? so i can have a look at it
[09:32] <ztonzy> installed konqueor now...
[09:32] <ztonzy> _StarScream, forgot where it is
[09:32] <ztonzy> uh
[09:32] <_StarScream> are you running konqueror under kde?
[09:32] <_StarScream> bugs.kde.org
[09:32] <ztonzy> I think I will install kde again ^_^
[09:33] <_StarScream> ztonzy: well if you show me the bug i can have a look at it and see if its something i can help you work around
[09:34] <ztonzy> _StarScream, sure
[09:35] <ztonzy> I also enjoyed Konversation
[09:43] <ztonzy> hmm
[09:44] <ztonzy> securityubuntu.com is damn slow now
[09:49] <nikkia> woo
[09:50] <ztonzy> nikkia, evening
[09:50] <nikkia> evening ztonzy
[09:53] <ztonzy> aah that's better :)
[09:57] <Ish_nitti> so i installed kubuntu on a free mac g3 a buddy gave me
[09:57] <Ish_nitti> works great
[09:59] <modmonkey2005> hey...on the hoary install cd (5.04), is there a way i can install kde from the cd, onto my comp, without a net connection?
[10:01] <modmonkey2005> ??
[10:01] <kinfo> what?
[10:01] <modmonkey2005> ne body?
[10:01] <ToniEisner> modmonkey2005: jup
[10:04] <slow-motion> modmonkey2005 i think it is on the cd
[10:04] <Ish_nitti> modmonkey2005: mine installed without any network connection
[10:04] <Ish_nitti> modmonkey2005: just login and type "startx" after you're done installing
[10:04] <Ish_nitti> modmonkey2005: KDE should load right up
[10:10] <john_> hye, i am having problems with GRUB and windows xp
[10:11] <john_> when i boot xp from grub, the screen goes black.  after trying once with this, now i get an error message (asking to start it in safe mod, with a command prompt, or normally).  I have tried all ways, and it  freezes everytime.  whats wrong with this?
[10:13] <john_> ..nevermind, ill figure it out myself.
[10:13] <modmonkey2005> ish...can i pm u?
[10:14] <Ish_nitti> sure
[10:20] <modmonkey2005> ish...what should i do
[10:20] <modmonkey2005> look in my pm i sent to see whats goin on
[10:21] <modmonkey2005> nvm
[10:21] <modmonkey2005> askin for help is like usin windows xp, useless
[10:40] <ztonzy> hmm
[10:41] <ztonzy> what's the lib for having gtk apps look like qt apps ?
[10:41] <crimsun> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[10:41] <ztonzy> thanks
[10:41] <crimsun> np
[10:41] <ztonzy> brb
[10:45] <QMario> What is the cheapest 3D Accerated Graphics card compatible with Linux?
[10:49] <QMario> What is the cheapest 3D Accerated Graphics card compatible with Linux?
[10:53] <Tm_T> some reasonable nvidia-based?
[10:53] <QMario> Wow! This channel is quiet!
[10:53] <Tm_T> because of your question
[10:53] <Tm_T> you ask the cheapest, it's in junkyard
[10:53] <QMario> Oops!
[10:54] <Tm_T> nothing is cheaper than free
[10:54] <QMario> What about Radeon 9250?
[10:54] <Tm_T> yuk
[10:54] <QMario> That is true.
[10:54] <Tm_T> works :p
[10:54] <Tm_T> but I'd prefer nvidia
[10:54] <QMario> Is there a list I can see.
[10:54] <QMario> s/./?
[10:55] <Tm_T> hum
[10:55] <Tm_T> what kind of list?
[10:55] <QMario> That shows which Graphics/Video cards are compatible with Ubuntu/Linux.
[10:55] <ztonzy> hm, what package is needed to use Konversation with my own language? (Swedish)
[10:57] <nikkia> QMario, the 9250 is hit-or-miss with the linux drivers, not all 9250 chips are compatible with ATI's drivers
[10:57] <nikkia> (and the performance is so terrible you'd probably be better with the non-3D drivers anyway :)
[10:58] <Tm_T> ztonzy: :o
[10:58] <QMario> GeForce FX5200?
[10:58] <Tm_T> ztonzy: apt-cache search i8n | grep se
[10:58] <Tm_T> I have 5700, good enough =)
[10:58] <ztonzy> Tm_T: hehe :)
[10:58] <nikkia> QMario: works great, not the best 3D performance, but it works well enough for casual 3D stuff
[10:58] <ztonzy> I have 5600 :)
[10:59] <nikkia> QMario: i have a 5200 in my PC at work, and do OpenGL games development, so it suffices for that :)
[10:59] <Tm_T> ztonzy: find any packages to install?
[10:59] <nikkia> (altho i mostly work at home these days, where i have a 6600GT :)
[10:59] <QMario> Nikkia, is that cheap?
[10:59] <nikkia> the 5200 ?
[10:59] <nikkia> the 5200 is pretty cheap, yeah
[10:59] <QMario> Yes.
[11:00] <ztonzy> Tm_T: no...I do have the swedish package for my system, but Konversation is still english (menus)
[11:00] <nikkia> 20-30 currency units, if you shop around (its one of those things that tends to ignore exchange rates, and tends to be about the same number of dollars as pounds :)
[11:00] <Tm_T> sad :/
[11:00] <Tm_T> ztonzy: I keep my KDE and linux en_GB as much as possible, for a good reason
[11:00] <QMario> You guys are nice, but the people in #SUSE are mean. :)
[11:00] <ztonzy> Tm_T: I have had this working before
[11:01] <Tm_T> ztonzy: though I'm finnish
[11:01] <ztonzy> Tm_T: ah
[11:01] <Tm_T> uh
[11:01] <QMario> Just say QMario and see their response.
[11:01] <QMario> s/QMario/"QMario"
[11:07] <QMario> Was this channel spammed?
[11:07] <huhmz> Are there breezy kubuntu snapshots available somewhere?
[11:08] <apokryphos> huhmz: doesn't look *that* much different atm, tbh.
[11:08] <ztonzy> apokryphos: back in kde ;P
[11:09] <apokryphos> rubberband for selecting, systemsettings, etc... still the same version of kde, unfortunatley. Release schedules for kde/kubuntu don't line up
[11:09] <apokryphos> ztonzy: oh?
[11:09] <huhmz> apokryphos: doesnt matter, im having problems with upgrading
[11:09] <huhmz> apokryphos: if there are snapshots please tell me, im pretty desperate
[11:10] <apokryphos> huhmz: oh, not screenshots?
[11:10] <huhmz> no i meant like a developer snapshot like a cd with a milestone release or something
[11:11] <ztonzy> apokryphos: yes...wanted a fast gui :)
[11:11] <apokryphos> huhmz: there are daily builds. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com then
[11:11] <apokryphos> ztonzy: how's it going so far? On debian or 'buntu?
[11:12] <ztonzy> apokryphos: I got tired of the 'su' thing...so I got back to *buntu  ;)
[11:12] <apokryphos> hehe
[11:12] <apokryphos> (you can setup sudo in debian though, too, of course :P)
[11:13] <ztonzy> yes...but difficult for me
[11:13] <ztonzy> hmm I need that kaffeine file
[11:13] <huhmz> apokryphos: been trying to upgrade from hoary but it screwed me on the font department, firefox doesn't display any text. Fonts are messed up apparently
[11:13] <huhmz> just have to complain a bit
[11:13] <ztonzy> apokryphos: I remember you gave it to me
[11:14] <apokryphos> Another case of "you shouldn't be upgrading". A "told you so", type-thing. =)
[11:14] <apokryphos> !kaffeineprob
[11:14] <ubotu> methinks kaffeineprob is at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#probkaffeine
[11:14] <apokryphos> there =)
[11:15] <ztonzy> oh no...got spam again here... why doesn't konversation like /mode +CE ??
[11:16] <apokryphos> hm, it should... can't remember the difference between umode. Other measures...
[11:16] <apokryphos> !spambots
[11:16] <ubotu> from memory, spambots is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spambots
[11:16] <apokryphos> ztonzy: /umode +CE?
[11:17] <ztonzy> apokryphos: it says it doesn't recognize
[11:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: they changed it :P
[11:23] <ztonzy> nikkia: what ?
[11:23] <nikkia> at least, i think they did, i get messages from lilo every few hours and some different syntax for turning on/off 'registered user privmsgs'
[11:23] <nikkia> s/and/about/
[11:24] <ztonzy> so how does it work with Konversation ?  in xchat it worked
[11:24] <nikkia> ztonzy: ah, try /quote umode +CE
[11:24] <nikkia> or /raw umode +CE
[11:25] <ztonzy> Usage: RAW [OPEN | CLOSE]   ?????
[11:25] <nikkia> try /quote then :)
[11:26] <ztonzy> didnt work either before
[11:28] <[Surge] > Can someone please tell me how to shut down gamin (gam_server)?
[11:28] <[Surge] > It's nailing my CPU like crazy
[11:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: surely they should update that page. Let me check.
[11:29] <[Surge] > Stupid thing doesn't like lots of files on a filesystem
[11:29] <apokryphos> hm, it has those listed there too.
[11:29] <apokryphos> [Surge] : killall gamin
[11:29] <ztonzy> apokryphos: the link you gave with kaffeine didnt work well..would the multiple FAQ pages :)  works
[11:29] <apokryphos> [Surge] : it's a known Linux bug (across many distros).
[11:30] <ztonzy> aaarrgh
[11:30] <ztonzy> I cant even download a file until Konq  crashes O_O
[11:30] <apokryphos> it crashes? :/
[11:30] <ztonzy> as before
[11:30] <apokryphos> still, eh.
[11:30] <ztonzy> maybe I shall remove .kde ?
[11:31] <apokryphos> ztonzy: wget http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fowlerc/kaffeine_0.6-1_i386.deb
[11:31] <apokryphos> ztonzy: I don't see why that would help... you've had this problem on several installs, no?
[11:31] <ztonzy> way better
[11:31] <ztonzy> apokryphos: yes...
[11:31] <ztonzy> but with same /home
[11:31] <apokryphos> :-O
[11:31] <nikkia> ahhhh
[11:31] <apokryphos> ztonzy: mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_old
[11:32] <apokryphos> logout, login.
[11:32] <ztonzy> yepp
[11:32] <[Surge] > apokryphos: Thanks - that did it. What does gamin do besides eat 90% of my CPU cycles?
[11:32] <apokryphos> ztonzy: mv ~/.config ~/.config_old
[11:32] <ztonzy> apokryphos: done ?
[11:32] <apokryphos> yes
[11:33] <ztonzy> brb
[11:33] <apokryphos> !info gamin
[11:33] <ubotu> gamin: (File and directory monitoring system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.26-0ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 124 kB
[11:33] <nikkia> ah, was just about to say 'its a more sane version of fam' :)
[11:33] <nikkia> which really says a lot about fam when you think about it :)
[11:33] <[Surge] > Well it's not sane
[11:33] <nikkia> Surge, neither is fam :)
[11:34] <apokryphos> it is when it doesn't have evil gam_server bug
[11:34] <[Surge] > I throw 50000 files on a filesystem and it eats my CPU
[11:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: fam can hose your system even worse
[11:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: since fam needs an open file handle for each file its monitoring, and you only have a certain number of those to play with
[11:34] <[Surge] > So has the bug been fixed yet?
[11:34] <[Surge] > ouch
[11:34] <[Surge] > 50000 file handles ...
[11:34] <apokryphos> weird
[11:35] <apokryphos> ztonzy: if you used the exact same .kde I doubt you would've got several kubuntu default goodies
[11:35] <apokryphos> if you killed it nothing wrong would happen, really. It would run again when it needs to (and possibly not with bugginess)
[11:36] <apokryphos> with Fedora it used to happen pretty darn often; I think it's happened around twice on 'buntu though
[11:36] <[Surge] > So what uses it?
[11:36] <[Surge] > I mean it collects info but what is that used for?
[11:36] <[Surge] > Is it like slocate?
[11:37] <nikkia> fam will also quite happily cause any CDR write to fail, without you knowing why :)
[11:37] <nikkia> as such, i have to remember to /etc/init.d/fam stop ; /etc/init.d/autofs stop  before i write any CDR/DVDR :)
[11:37] <nikkia> Surge, you don't want to see how easily beagle will kill your system, either :)
[11:37] <nikkia> of course, beagle depends on fam or gam running, so its double russian roulette :)
[11:37] <ztonzy> apokryphos: how do you mean ?
[11:37] <nikkia> Surge, a variety of apps
[11:37] <nikkia> Surge, no
[11:37] <nikkia> Surge, it lets apps get notified when files are modified, its a library feature, not something like slocate that is exposed to the user
[11:37] <apokryphos> ztonzy: new kubuntu settings are often put in through .kde
[11:38] <apokryphos> ztonzy: let us know if it crashes ;-)
[11:38] <[Surge] > Arg!   :D
[11:38] <apokryphos> hm
[11:38] <nikkia> Surge, you must be running something that uses it
[11:38] <[Surge] > Konqueror?
[11:39] <ztonzy> apokryphos: sure... :)   blender has similar thing... moving the .B.blend might check problems, but not always
[11:39] <apokryphos> [Surge] : no
[11:40] <ztonzy> apokryphos: yepp I will
[11:40] <ztonzy> :O
[11:41] <apokryphos> Fix is apparnetly in 0.1
[11:41] <[Surge] > Ok it seems to be behaving now. It uses 50% CPU for a few seconds and then rests a bit.  :)
[11:42] <apokryphos> [Surge] : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30003