[00:03] <judgen> jrmy, Ok
[00:03] <judgen> Can you not find it at all?
[00:04] <judgen> Are you using a dual head video card or two card?
[00:05] <judgen> Or do you mean your primary screen? just to find it?
[00:06] <judgen> I can help with either i think.
[00:13] <jrmy> laptop with a vga port on the back
[00:13] <jrmy> judgen
[00:14] <jrmy> my laptop is a gateway 1450
[00:15] <judgen> Laptops are not my strong suite, but.. have you added the second gfx device in the Xorg?
[00:15] <jrmy> what?
[00:15] <jrmy> plugged in a monitor to the back?
[00:16] <jrmy> can we continue this in liek 20 minutes i gotta pick someone up
[00:16] <jrmy> bbl
[00:16] <judgen> ok
[00:16] <judgen> sure
[00:28]  * likemindead wishes there was more than one Xubuntu review for every 100 Ubuntu ones out there...
[00:35] <judgen> anything in particular you want reviewed?
[00:38] <likemindead> Overall feel, I reckon.
[00:39] <likemindead> Any bugginess?
[00:40] <judgen> I am not an reviewer, but xubuntu feels faster, snappier and more polished than gnome in most ways.
[00:41] <judgen> I still think the lower function should be included as a button on the windowmanager, but toher than that nothing i dislike.
[00:41] <judgen> jrmy, bk?
[00:41] <likemindead> Yeah, I've been using Xubuntu for about two years now. Love Xfce. :D
[00:52] <judgen-zzz> I am off to sleep now
[00:52] <judgen-zzz> 01:52 here
[00:52] <jrmy> im back
[00:53] <jrmy> night
[00:53] <judgen-zzz> jrmy, i am off too bed, but check this out
[00:53] <judgen-zzz> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93591
[00:53] <judgen-zzz> maybe you have a broken bios
[00:53] <judgen-zzz> and need a software update for it
[00:53] <judgen-zzz> but i do not know your symptoms
[00:53] <judgen-zzz> Is the screen completley black, or do you get any output to your screen?
[01:00] <Venim> so where does the xfce menu file sit at
[01:00] <jrmy> judgen-zzz: its completely black from what i can tell
[01:01] <charlie-tca> Venim: it is actively built when logging in
[01:02] <Venim> well its built off of old things
[01:02] <Venim> because i just reinstalled xubuntu
[01:02] <Venim> and its showing me old wine things
[01:02] <Venim> that are not installed
[01:02] <Venim>  because i deleted ~/.wine
[01:02] <charlie-tca> It should be built off what you have installed.
[01:02] <Venim> but its not
[01:02] <charlie-tca> If you used an old /home, there are things in it from the old desktop that will get used
[01:03] <Venim> and i am
[01:03] <Venim> but i deleted ~/.wine
[01:03] <charlie-tca> It doesn't know you did not reinstall what you previously used
[01:03] <Venim> so it shouldn't pick it up there
[01:03] <Venim> so where is it building the wine programs off of
[01:04] <charlie-tca> uses the files in /home/.wine or .config/ and .local
[01:05] <charlie-tca> It is doing what it should. If you have a local configuration, it is not supposed to delete it
[01:05] <Venim> its not
[01:05] <Venim> but i got rid of .wine
[01:05] <Venim> so there shouldn't be any programs
[01:07] <charlie-tca> I would examine ~/.config and ~/.local for it
[01:07] <tywgg> Hey, just installed xubuntu on my netbook. It works very well. Only got one problem tho, I can add icons to my panel.
[01:07] <charlie-tca> you can't?
[01:08] <tywgg> Ye, sorry can't.
[01:08] <charlie-tca> You have to add the launcher to the panel. right-click the panel, left-click "add to ...", pick a launcher
[01:08] <tywgg> Ah, okay.
[01:09] <charlie-tca> and yes, gnome/ubuntu is easier to do that with
[01:09] <tywgg> Ye, I tot it would be the same as ubuntu.
[01:09] <charlie-tca> no problem
[01:10] <charlie-tca> We like to think of our users as more capable of making things work the way they want it to.
[01:11] <tywgg> Cool. I have to say, I like it very much. And also, the booting speed seems faster than ubuntu.
[01:42] <Swishahouse> Greetings!
[01:43] <jrmy> hi
[01:43] <Swishahouse> I have updated this machine over several versions of ubuntu and have migrated to Xubuntu now 10.10.  Is there a place where I can see the default package list because I feel like I have a bunch of packages I dont need anymore.....
[01:44] <charlie-tca> Yes, the manifest on the install cd
[01:44] <Swishahouse> I do not have the CD
[01:44] <Swishahouse> The manifest should be in the APT repo as well yes?
[01:45] <Swishahouse> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.10/release/xubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.manifest
[01:45] <Swishahouse> cheers =D
[01:46] <charlie-tca> yes sir
[01:47] <charlie-tca> Looks like the list
[01:47] <Swishahouse> is this the list for the Live CD only?
[01:47] <charlie-tca> They should be the same for both cd's, except the installer.
[01:48] <charlie-tca> Live cd uses ubiquity and casper, alternate image uses debian-installer
[01:48] <Swishahouse> I'll probably just focus on the gnome sections
[01:48] <Swishahouse> because i was getting errors that the gnomescreensaver darmon was running at the same time, etc
[01:49] <charlie-tca> yup
[01:49] <charlie-tca> we replaced gnome-screensaver with xscreensaver. If both are installed, you get errors
[01:49] <charlie-tca> The upgrade, to the best of my knowledge, does not remove gnome-screensaver
[01:50] <Swishahouse> so far everything seems to be great i just wanted to check on some of those gnome packages
[01:50] <Swishahouse> the only other issue ive came across is with irssi
[01:51] <Swishahouse> irssi
[01:51] <Swishahouse> TERM environment not set
[01:51] <Swishahouse> Can't initialize screen handling, quitting.
[01:51] <charlie-tca> yes. you can set it using export TERM xterm
[01:51] <charlie-tca> bug 621927
[01:52] <charlie-tca> It is in the xubuntu release notes
[01:53] <Swishahouse> sounds good
[01:54] <Swishahouse> i appreciate the help and the release =)
[01:54] <charlie-tca> Our pleasure
[01:57] <Swishahouse> would you recommend one of these bashrc changes shown in the launchpad?
[01:58] <charlie-tca> adding export to it? yes
[01:58] <charlie-tca> The same command will let it work automatically.
[01:58] <charlie-tca> Otherwise, you have to enter the export command everytime you restart
[01:59] <Swishahouse> cheers =)
[02:04] <Debby> is anyone familiar with wine & karmic?
[02:07] <Debby> Does Xubuntu 9.1 Koala support dial up internet?
[02:45] <autif> i installed virtualbox-ose on lucid and started the virtualbox-ose app. I created a virtual machine and started it. It fails saying that I need to install virtualbox-ose-dkms and run modprobe vboxdrv as root. I have rebooted the computer after the install, still no go. Does anyone know?
[02:48] <gr8m8> do you have the ose-dkms installed now?
[02:49] <autif> yes
[02:49] <autif> i do
[02:49] <autif> it was installed with virtualbox-ose package
[02:50] <gr8m8> and you modprobed the vboxdrv?
[02:51] <gr8m8> try   lsmod | grep vbox
[02:53] <autif> nada
[02:53] <autif> it is not included
[02:53] <autif> where do i find the driver module?
[02:54] <gr8m8> just   modprobe vboxdrv   should work - in /lib/modules somewhere
[02:54] <gr8m8> with sudo of course
[02:55] <autif>  FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
[02:55] <gr8m8> try   find /lib/modules -name vbox
[02:56] <autif> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-dkms
[02:56] <autif> Reading package lists... Done
[02:56] <autif> Building dependency tree
[02:56] <autif> Reading state information... Done
[02:56] <autif> virtualbox-ose-dkms is already the newest version.
[02:56] <autif> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:56] <gr8m8> yep
[02:56] <autif> autif@ws:/lib/modules$ find . | grep box
[02:56] <autif> ./2.6.32-25-generic/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid/megaraid_mbox.ko
[02:56] <autif> ./2.6.32-21-generic/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid/megaraid_mbox.ko
[02:56] <autif> autif@ws:/lib/modules$
[02:57] <autif> no vboxdrv
[02:58] <gr8m8> seems it didn't run the setup
[02:58] <gr8m8> try   sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[03:00] <autif> that files does not exist - virtualboc-ose does and does not take setup as a parameter
[03:02] <gr8m8> I never use the ose version - someone in #ubuntu or #vbox might know if noone else here does
[03:03] <autif> will try vbox ose - i have used it with karmic (ubuntu, not xubuntu)
[03:03] <autif> seemed to work fine there
[03:03] <autif> will try #vbox or #ubuntu
[03:03] <autif> thanks gr8m8
[03:03] <gr8m8> I tried :]
[03:23] <xGrind> the sound is bad
[03:23] <xGrind> in the xubuntu 10.10
[03:24] <gr8m8> you need different music or... ?
[03:37] <jrmy> dude 10.10 sucks
[03:38] <jrmy> why did they even release it as a stable release?
[03:38] <jrmy> to many problems
[03:39] <gr8m8> it might have been a bit rushed to make the 10/10/10 date...
[03:40] <jrmy> what they need to do is re make it and release it again
[03:41] <gr8m8> there will be fixes along shortly... maybe
[03:41] <gr8m8> bbiab
[03:41] <jrmy> how long had they been working on it anyways?
[03:41] <jrmy> ok
[03:58] <jrmy> ok so the live CD for xubuntu 10.10 cant seem to mount upon booting
[04:01] <jrmy> bbl
[04:08] <autif> so, i uninstalled virtualbox-ose and installed VirtualBox from the deb package from their website. Now when I run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup - it can not find the kernel headers - Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 2.6.32-25-generic cannot be found at
[04:08] <autif> /lib/modules/2.6.32-25-generic/build or /lib/modules/2.6.32-25-generic/source.
[04:15] <autif> was missing kernel headers - had xx.xx.xx, required xx.xx.xx-generic
[04:16] <jrmy> im still missing X essentially
[04:16] <jrmy> i think i just simply need to tell X what my screen has to be set to and it'll be fine
[04:17] <jrmy> but idk
[04:17] <gr8m8> jrmy: can you google a xorg.conf for graphics?
[04:17] <jrmy> im to tired
[04:17] <jrmy> and im not smart enough to do commands
[04:17] <gr8m8> k
[04:18] <jrmy> ive never used a terminal in all of my life of using a computer
[04:18] <autif> it worked!!!!
[04:18] <autif> now i have virtual machines
[04:18] <jrmy> until last month i think
[04:22] <jrmy> http://paste2.org/p/1032868
[04:23] <jrmy> ^^ is this enough to figure my monitor specifications?
[04:23] <jrmy> i got this from being in a live cd of xubuntu 10.04
[04:24] <jrmy> used xrandr to pop up said info
[04:25] <gr8m8> jrmy: no - way short of what you need - in terminal do   sudo lshw | grep vga   to get the graphics card info then have a google for a xorg.conf to match it
[04:26] <gr8m8> when you find one I'll help you get it used
[04:26] <jrmy> this works for laptops?
[04:26] <jrmy> cause with vga being said will this include my lcd screen?
[04:29] <gr8m8> jrmy: it would just show the card not the diff screens - I would just do sudo lshw and check the lot
[04:31] <jrmy> do i need both display 0 and display 1?
[04:31] <jrmy> 0 is vga and 1 is the lcd
[04:32] <gr8m8> from lshw? - it doesn't mention them
[04:32] <jrmy> yes from lshw
[04:32] <jrmy> btw both say unclaimed
[04:32] <gr8m8> you need the card name like intel something or ati something or...
[04:33] <jrmy> intel 82830 CGC
[04:33] <gr8m8> google intel 82830 xorg.conf
[04:38] <jrmy> doesnt seem to be anything useful or anything i havent tried
[04:47] <jrmy> idk im about to give up and go back to 10.04
[04:47] <gr8m8> jrmy: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=61433
[04:48] <gr8m8> has an xorg.conf and a line to add further down to get better graphics
[04:52] <jrmy> well if i wasnt to tired then maybe i'd figure this out
[04:52] <jrmy> so im going to bed
[04:52] <jrmy> night
[05:30] <raevol> hey all, with the default, foss ati drivers in meerkat, can one get dualhead support? what's the best way to turn that on?
[05:31] <Cityscape> I need help installing Nvidia graphics driver on Xubuntu 10.10, can anyone help me?
[05:33] <Cityscape> I have a Nvidia Vanta graphics card, what is the proper way to install the best driver for it?
[05:36] <gr8m8> Cityscape: this has a howto
[05:36] <gr8m8> !nvidia
[07:41] <Wizard> hi
[07:42] <bobby> hello
[07:43] <bobby> can somebody tell me what the difference between xfwm4 and openbox
[08:06] <raevol> anyone know how to get grandr to save its config across logins? do i just need to gksu it?
[08:06] <Sysi> if itäs just GUI for xrandr, no way afaik
[08:06] <Sysi> *it's
[08:06] <raevol> it is a gui for xrandr, it works for me, just doesn't save the config?
[08:06] <Sysi> i'm not sure, but arandr might have saving option
[08:07] <raevol> hmm ok
[08:08] <Sysi> if not, you need to create xrandr script to startup or xorg.conf
[08:08] <raevol> i really like the meerkat gtk theme for xubuntu :)
[08:08] <raevol> yea i need the xorg.conf, just am too lazy to figure out how to write one without trying guis first
[08:08] <raevol> i would like the xfwm4 meerkat theme, but it's so hard to resize windows...
[08:09] <Sysi> imo xrandr way would be easier
[08:09] <Sysi> alt rightclick
[08:09] <raevol> WOAH
[08:09] <raevol> i never knew that
[08:09] <raevol> omg that is so handy
[08:11] <raevol> oh god arandr ...
[08:11] <raevol> i don't understand if what i just saved in arandr will persist...
[08:12] <raevol> xrandr is command line right?
[08:12] <Sysi> yes
[08:12] <raevol> looks like i might need to figure it out :/
[08:13] <gr8m8> !xrandr
[08:14] <Sysi> xrandr --output FOO --mode fooxbar --right-of BAR
[08:15] <raevol> -_-
[08:15] <raevol> ok what xorg file does ubuntu use these days
[08:15] <raevol> /etc/X11?
[08:16] <Sysi> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:16] <raevol> i appear to now have one
[08:16] <raevol> not*
[08:16] <Sysi> not by default
[08:16] <raevol> is that normal if i just fresh installed?
[08:16] <Sterist> where did the Others category go in 10.10?
[08:18] <raevol> there doesn't happen to be a tool to generate an xorg.conf for me? i really am not much of an X person
[08:20] <Wizard> raevol: X -configure
[08:20] <Wizard> as root
[08:20] <Wizard> best way to do it :)
[08:20] <Wizard> than you don't have to change much in generated file
[08:20] <raevol> server already active for display 0
[08:21] <Wizard> yeah, you have to do it from tty
[08:21] <Sysi> kill it with fi...service gdm stop
[08:21] <raevol> with X killed, or just from tty?
[08:21] <Wizard> and with X disabled
[08:21] <Sysi> or telinit 3 might be the best
[08:21] <Wizard> i don't remember if it accepts display parameter
[08:21] <raevol> ok going to go to tty, but what is the command to kill gfm?
[08:22] <Wizard> Sysi already wrote it
[08:22] <raevol> fi && service gdm stop?
[08:22] <raevol> like that?
[08:22] <Wizard> without fi and ampersands
[08:22] <raevol> ok
[08:22] <raevol> ok
[08:22] <raevol> brb :D
[08:22] <Wizard> i bet he will screw something up
[08:22] <Wizard> :P
[08:25] <raevol> :/ doesn't appear to have made one, unless it made it somewhere else
[08:25] <Wizard> in /root
[08:26] <Wizard> it even told you where it wrote it
[08:26] <raevol> guess i wasn't paying attention :[
[08:26] <Wizard> don't worry
[08:27] <Wizard> few years and you will type it in vi from memory :P
[08:27] <raevol> sudo cat /root/xorg.conf isn't doing it, did it name it something else/
[08:27] <raevol> no such file
[08:27] <Wizard> ehh
[08:27] <Wizard> /root/xorg.conf.new
[08:27] <Wizard> or something like this
[08:27] <raevol> sudo ls /root is giving nothing..
[08:28] <Sysi> locate xorg.conf
[08:28] <raevol> i wonder if it failed
[08:28] <Wizard> i don't think so
[08:28] <raevol> yea there's an example noveau one that's it
[08:28] <raevol> (and a man and some xorg.conf.d)
[08:29] <gr8m8> it'll be in the home dir
[08:29] <raevol> let me try again and read this time
[08:29] <raevol> brb
[08:31] <raevol> /home/raevol/xorg.conf.new ._.
[08:32] <raevol> can you link me to that xrandr guide again?
[08:32] <gr8m8> !xrandr
[08:32] <raevol> thanks
[08:32] <gr8m8> np
[08:35] <raevol> i hate writing xorg.confs... sigh
[08:36] <gr8m8> i always google for one...
[08:36] <Sysi> never done one
[08:36] <raevol> :(
[08:36] <raevol> who said this would be easier :P
[08:37] <Wizard> :D
[08:42] <raevol> ok i saved it, is there a way to dynamically load it or do i need to log out/in?
[08:43] <gr8m8> logout
[08:44] <raevol> k brb
[08:51] <raevol> no dice
[08:51] <raevol> back to grandrt
[09:06] <raevol> so when i am at gdm things seem fine
[09:06] <raevol> but when i log in i lose a screen
[09:06] <raevol> ideas on where it is loading a new config from?
[09:13] <raevol> it's in .config/xfwm4
[09:13] <raevol> err
[09:13] <raevol> .config/xfce4/xfwm4
[09:13] <raevol> that settings overwrites xorg.conf
[09:23] <raevol> got it... whew
[09:23] <raevol> thanks all
[10:26] <Sterist> how do i get to Wine now that the Others category is gone in the 10.10 apps menu?
[10:29] <Sysi> terminal
[10:34] <Sterist> oh man..
[10:34] <Sterist> 10.10 is quickly becoming hell lol
[10:35] <Sterist> reminding me of Sony... removing features (-_-)
[10:36] <Sysi> new ubuntu way :/
[10:37] <Sterist> they better not persue windows "qualities" any further... 10.04 was a perfect balance between  simple and efficient
[10:37] <Sterist> now it's leaning towards "simple"
[10:38] <Sysi> 10.04 is LTS
[10:38] <Sterist> indeed
[10:39] <Sterist> first LTS released during my linux experience
[10:40] <Sterist> i only wish i discovered it years earlier... windows has caused so much grief
[11:14] <cata> hi
[11:14] <gigglefight> hello please kindly explain how to change display settings on xubuntu. I'm using vga cable. is it possible to change screen resolution 1360x768 or so... :)
[11:15] <cata> i recently attached a keyboard with volume up/down and mute keys and out of the box the keys worked as expected. However after a couple of hours, they stopped working.
[11:15] <TheSheep> gigglefight: try using xrandr
[11:15] <cata> can you give me a hint on which part/subsuystem of xfce manages volume keys and where to start debuggin?
[11:15] <gigglefight> from terminal; how to get xrandr
[11:15] <cata> +g
[11:16] <cata> i've read about some workarounds with xfce keybindings and amixer, but as it used to work for some time, i'd like to fix the broken thing that made it work
[11:16] <cata> i already tried restarting xfce4-volumed with no success
[11:16] <TheSheep> gigglefight: type 'xrandr'
[11:17] <cata> when attaching to xfce4-volumed with strace it doesn't react on keypresses
[11:17] <gigglefight> @TheSheep: thanks. :)
[11:17] <cata> however the keypresses are detected in xev
[11:20] <TheSheep> cata: I think there is a bug in xfce4-volumed, I just bound amixer to the media keys in the keyboard settings
[11:21] <cata> strange. i didn't do updates before it stopped working.
[11:21] <Sysi> take off/on numLock
[11:23] <gigglefight> @TheSheep: hello again; is it possible to increase the display resolution on xubuntu? i've tried xrandr
[11:24] <Sysi> what graphics card?
[11:24] <gigglefight> I'll check
[11:27] <gigglefight> @Sysi: I know this kinda sounds sad... How would I find my graphic card information. i'm a newbie.
[11:31] <Sterist> is there a way to revert to 10.04's Theme but stay on 10.10?
[11:32] <gigglefight> @Sysi: it's Intel  Graphics Controller
[11:32] <gigglefight> 82810
[11:33] <Sterist> FYI 40 updates available on Proposed right now
[11:34] <cata> Sysi: That fixed it. how weird is that?
[11:34] <gigglefight> with an Intel 82810 Graphics Controller, would that support a higher resolution or different display type? if so, how to go about adjusting the screen resolution, it's only given me the option for a 800x600 resolution.
[11:34] <Sysi> cata: not very :/
[11:34] <cata> i would have never figured that out by chance though. :)
[11:35] <Sysi> gigglefight: sounds a bit weird (hilight works better without @)
[11:35]  * cata toggles volume up and down like crazy
[11:36] <gigglefight> sysi: thanks.
[11:36] <Sysi> Sysi does the google
[11:36] <Sysi> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-426133.html
[13:20] <daira> Hello people, i just installed fresh xubuntu on my friends notebook and although the native resolution should be 1280x800 what i get is 1600x1200 with refresh rate 0hz. When i change resoultions the screen gets scrambled, and only on 1600x1200 it holds together although there is large part of screen invisible on right and bottom. any suggestions?
[13:21] <daira> just to mention that only on 1200x800 i can select 60hz but the screen gets scrambled like on any other ( i have tried them all)
[13:23] <gr8m8> daira: there should be something in the X log about what's going on there
[13:24] <daira> gr8m8, i will check the log
[13:28] <daira> gr8m8, can i kindly ask you to check the log @ http://paste.ubuntu.com/511621/ becouse my understanding of x is very low.
[13:28] <daira> thank you in advance
[13:40] <gr8m8> daira: sure :]
[13:40] <daira> thx
[13:44] <gr8m8> daira: line 171 suggests you might need to give the driver some options for the screen size in the config file
[13:45] <gr8m8> daira: line 250 doesn't look good
[13:47] <daira> not supported : )
[13:47] <daira> i am using 10.04 xubuntu, maybe an kernel update would help?
[13:48] <daira> fresh install
[13:48] <daira> with updates applied
[13:48] <gr8m8> daira: unichrome driver is maybe not the best but it is the right one for your card
[13:49] <gr8m8> it seems it needs you to give it alot of options in the config 'cause it can't figure it out for itself
[13:49] <daira> can i use some alternative? i remember in using puppy linux that there were some vesa and some other drivers that worked on almost every notebook
[13:49] <buffcns2> is xubuntu lighter than normal ubuntu?
[13:50] <buffcns2> I mean on cpu ram etc
[13:51] <gr8m8> daira: yep - you can set a xorg.conf and name vesa as the driver - google will help - but if you give all the options in a config the unichrome driver should work better
[13:51] <gr8m8> buffcns2: a little bit better - not so much lately
[13:53] <gr8m8> daira: there should be some posts about   unichrome xorg  out there
[13:53] <daira_> how should i do that, i think that i should use 1200x800 @ 60hz
[13:54] <buffcns2> gr8m8, thanks, that's kinda what i thought
[13:54] <daira_> if you dont know precisely i can google ofcourse and find out
[13:54] <gr8m8> daira_: you can use   sudo X -configure   to get a base xorg.conf from a tty after you stop X with   sudo service gdm stop
[13:54] <buffcns2> does xubuntu still use gdm for graphical login manager like normal ubuntu?
[13:55] <gr8m8> yep
[13:55] <buffcns2> cheers
[13:55] <gr8m8> np :]
[13:59] <sidh> Greetings
[14:00] <sidh> I would like to disable the graphical network manager in xubuntu (10.04 LTS), and use the old but reliable /etc/network/interfaces file
[14:00] <sidh> do you know how to do that ?
[14:02] <charlie-tca> a manual change in the file disables network manager control
[14:02] <sidh> GREAT
[14:03] <sidh> because, not having internet because of a Xorg problem (kernel update w/ nvidia drivers) , is quite awful and useless
[14:09] <daira> where is gr8m8 :)
[14:10] <charlie-tca> left the building?
[14:10] <charlie-tca> At least, left the channel
[14:13] <daira> can someone else help me from what i have written or do i have to start all over :)
[14:14] <daira> when i stopped x the screen was also scrambled
[14:14] <daira> so i couldnt run X -configure
[14:16] <daira> brb
[15:03] <NastX> Hi i have some a problem. I want to use xfce-notifyd for my system, but every time i try to install some kde applications, synaptic wants to remove xfce-notifyd - is there some work aorund?
[15:03] <NastX> *around
[15:04] <charlie-tca> Probably not. file a bug against the kde apps for doing that?
[15:04] <Sysi> install it back afterwards
[15:05] <NastX> Sysi, if i install it back it wants to remove ALL kde apps...
[15:05] <NastX> this keeps bugging me
[15:05] <Sysi> does synaptic use aptitude?
[15:05] <NastX> yes
[15:06] <Sysi> install it with apt-get
[15:06] <NastX> oh wait xD
[15:06] <NastX> synaptic uses apt sry...
[15:06] <ko2> does anyone know to install xvid codec on xubuntu 10.10?
[15:07] <Sysi> are you watching dvd rr file?
[15:07] <ko2> "rr" ?
[15:07] <Sysi> *or
[15:07] <Sysi> !dvd
[15:08] <Sysi> oh, same factoid for both
[15:14] <ko2> thanks. how about installing adobe flash player? i've the donload install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz
[15:14] <Sysi> xubuntu-restricted-extras also contains flash
[15:14] <vidd> has the official flash player been remoed from apt?
[15:14] <vidd> =]
[15:15] <charlie-tca> There is a flash installer in Synaptic Package Manager
[15:15] <charlie-tca> It automatically grabs it from adobe and installs it
[15:17] <ko2> @Sysi, sttill progress download
[15:17] <vidd> my gksu lock seams to be not working correctly
[15:18] <charlie-tca> huh? what is wrong with it?
[15:18] <vidd> it does not seam to want to take my password
[15:19] <vidd> but if i sudo synaptic, its just fine
[15:19] <charlie-tca> It should be accepting it, but it will be a blank instead of the dots now
[15:19] <jrmy> why is xchat logging me into the server twice?
[15:20] <charlie-tca> vidd: also, at least 10.04 and 10.10, you can't run update in terminal until the automatic run finishes.
[15:20] <vidd> charlie-tca, its showing dots...it just isnt taking the password
[15:20] <jrmy> answer me this, is xubuntu made to work on old computers?
[15:21] <charlie-tca> jrmy: not specifically
[15:21] <vidd> running in terminal is fine
[15:21] <vidd> the gksu seems broke
[15:21] <jrmy> then what is xubuntu made to work for? ubuntu is just fine
[15:22] <jrmy> the only difference between the 2 really is gnome and xfce
[15:22] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu is made to run on any computer with enough cpu and ram. It is lighter in resources thatn Ubuntu.
[15:22] <vidd> jrmy, there are those that like to run lighter apps then the default ubuntu fair
[15:22] <charlie-tca> Haven't you asked this before?
[15:22] <jrmy> im wondering why xubuntu 10.10 wont work on either of my computers
[15:23] <vidd> whats the command to reinstall a package?
[15:23] <jrmy> yet  the live cd boots just fine on a 64 bit computer
[15:23] <jrmy> and the live cd is 32 bit
[15:23] <vidd> jrmy, try installing with an alt cd
[15:23] <charlie-tca> But you have asked the same question about xubuntu, haven't you?
[15:24] <jrmy> i have at least 256 MB of ram on both, the cd cannot boot on eiother of them
[15:24]  * vidd HATES the live cd install
[15:24] <charlie-tca> and you have received the same answer before
[15:24] <jrmy> im trying to figure out how rtetarded xubuntu 10.10 is
[15:25] <charlie-tca> That is starting to look like a troll
[15:25] <jrmy> if it cant seem to work on a computer that meets its requirements
[15:25] <vidd> IMO the live cd is for fixing broken systems, fixing/recovering data from windows computers, and seeing if you actually want the stuff before you install
[15:25] <Sysi> IMO livecd is great
[15:25] <charlie-tca> xubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu are not guaranteed to work on any particular system unless you purchase the computer with it pre-installed.
[15:25] <vidd> jrmy, you need more than 256 MB ram to run the live cd
[15:26] <jrmy> for 10.10?
[15:26] <jrmy> works fine for 10.04
[15:26] <Sysi> livecd and installed xubuntu have different system requirements
[15:26] <vidd> Sysi, i have alot of light-weight pc's....i need the garenteed install of the alt cd =]
[15:26] <Sysi> alternate install is slow
[15:27] <_maddy> hi
[15:27] <jrmy> ive installed 10.04 fine on both
[15:27] <vidd> Sysi, you have GOT to be kidding
[15:27] <Sysi> jrmy: keep that, LTS
[15:27] <jrmy> idk im annoyed at 10.10 especially cuase i cant get it working
[15:27] <vidd> jrmy, if you get 10.04 to work...why not just upgrade?
[15:27] <Sysi> vidd: honestly, i don't
[15:28] <jrmy> i upgraded and...
[15:28] <Sysi> for my experience, alternate installer is slower
[15:28] <charlie-tca> !hi | _maddy
[15:28] <Sysi> jrmy: just use the LTS?
[15:28] <charlie-tca> I agree. Alternate install is slower than desktop install run side-by-side
[15:29] <_maddy> which program you guys recommend for torrents?
[15:29] <charlie-tca> transmission is the default
[15:29] <jrmy> client?
[15:30] <jrmy> no way to downgrade back to 10.04 is there?
[15:31] <charlie-tca> !downgrade
[15:31] <charlie-tca> Doesn't look like it
[15:31] <cody-somerville> jrmy, What problem are you having?
[15:32] <jrmy> X and 10.10 is my problem
[15:32] <vidd> Sysi, charlie-tca perhaps i should revisit the live cd install for 10.10. prior versions were not to my liking..perhaps im just biased?
[15:32] <cody-somerville> jrmy, Could you elaborate?
[15:32] <vidd> jrmy, your x server keep crashing?
[15:32] <jrmy> it will not start
[15:32] <jrmy> and people have tried to help
[15:32] <Sysi> vidd: for 10.10 they've removed some features, but also add some
[15:33] <vidd> so you get the log-in screen?
[15:33] <jrmy> i dont know how to configure X, im to much of a noob
[15:33] <vidd> or does it fail prior to log-in screen?
[15:33] <jrmy> i boot the kernel does the check right before the login screen and.. nothing
[15:33] <charlie-tca> vidd: Actually, the live installer now takes away most of your choices. You won't like it
[15:34] <jrmy> screen black and unresponsive
[15:34] <vidd> jrmy, when it gets like that, can you hit [ctrl][alt][f1]?
[15:34] <jrmy> my X log shows that it is unable to find a proper screen
[15:35] <jrmy> vidd: "unresponsive"
[15:35] <vidd> jrmy, do you have multiple video output?
[15:36] <jrmy> my computer is a laptop gateway solo 1450 with an intel 83something and has a vga output
[15:36] <vidd> im assuming you are looking at the laptop screen
[15:37] <jrmy> 82830 CGC
[15:37] <jrmy> no im using my desktop
[15:37] <vidd> |0-<
[15:37] <vidd> on the system with the issue....
[15:38] <vidd> you are looking at the laptop screen and not an external monitor
[15:38] <jrmy> yes
[15:38] <jrmy> ive tried both
[15:39] <jrmy> i really wish i could show you the Xorg.0.log
[15:39] <cody-somerville> try running: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:39] <vidd> and you have succefully installed 10.4 on this laptop without issue?
[15:39] <jrmy> well besides some flickering in tty yes
[15:40] <vidd> I had similar issues with a specific laptop in a previous version....
[15:40] <jrmy> not completely compatible with the kernel screen resolution it chooses for that but it works non ethe less and X works just fine
[15:41] <jrmy> or at least i assume it is screen res
[15:42] <jrmy> is there by any chance i can copy all of the Xorg.0.log file on the laptop using tty mode?
[15:42] <jrmy> a way*
[15:42] <jrmy> and shubmitting it on pastebin
[15:43] <jrmy> or an equivalent
[15:43] <vidd> so you CAN get into tty on the laptop
[15:43] <jrmy> yes.. X is the issue
[15:44] <vidd> when i asked, you said it was unresponsive =\
[15:44] <jrmy> by default it boots into X
[15:44] <vidd> in tty run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:44] <jrmy> only way i can get to tty without editing the command or whatever in grub is by recovery mode
[15:45] <jrmy> sure
[15:46] <vidd> jrmy, did you install 10.10 by live cd, alt cd, or upgrade?
[15:47] <jrmy> upgrade
[15:47] <jrmy> i used the copmmand then startx and nothing once again
[15:48] <vidd> just for S&G select an older kernal version in grub
[15:48] <vidd> and you cant "startx" in recovery mode (unless i am mistaken)
[15:48] <jrmy> im very sure the log file is pertinent to my issue
[15:49] <vidd> im sure it is too....
[15:49] <vidd> but to get it, we need access to the full system
[15:49] <jrmy> old kernel cant start x either its what file shave been replaced by 10.10
[15:49] <jrmy> files have*
[15:49] <vidd> i dont need x to start
[15:49] <jrmy> the old ones worked
[15:50] <jrmy> perhaps if i knew which ones to keep when upgrading i would of done so
[15:51] <_maddy> can't you do a fresh install from a cd?
[15:51] <vidd> ???
[15:51] <jrmy> however with the older kernel it doesnt bring the screen black
[15:52] <jrmy> but none the less i cant startx
[15:52] <vidd> so an older version kernael gets you up?
[15:52] <vidd> you can get to a tty without being in recovery mode?
[15:52] <jrmy> yes
[15:52] <vidd> good
[15:53] <vidd> in that version, run "sudo apt-get -f install"
[15:53] <vidd> tell me what happens
[15:54] <jrmy> 0 for upgrade, install, and remove
[15:54] <vidd> ok...
[15:54] <vidd> now run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:55] <jrmy> now what?
[15:55] <vidd> follow the steps on the screen
[15:55] <jrmy> there is nothing
[15:55] <vidd> it will try to fix your x server
[15:56] <vidd> just another prompt?
[15:56] <jrmy> it just does it and goes to the command entry again
[15:57] <vidd> type "lspci"
[15:57] <vidd> what vedio cards does this system have?
[15:58] <jrmy> i tolf you once already
[15:59] <vidd> you did NOT tell me the card chipset output from lspci
[15:59] <jrmy> an intel 82830 CGC
[15:59] <vidd> you dont have 2?
[15:59] <jrmy> well i had said so before
[16:00] <jrmy> both the vga port and my lvsd screen use it
[16:00] <jrmy> i think its called lvsd
[16:00] <vidd> there should be "VGA compatible controller" and "Display controller"
[16:00] <jrmy> right
[16:01] <jrmy> i'll use the command again
[16:01] <vidd> please tell me the entire information including the (rev#)
[16:02] <jrmy> only thing more you get is rev 04 for the vga
[16:02] <jrmy> no rev for the lvsd/ display controller
[16:02] <jrmy> same ship
[16:03] <jrmy> chip*
[16:03] <jrmy> one is 2 other is 2.1 for the positioning or whatever its called
[16:03] <vidd> if its an intel chip, it should say something like 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[16:04] <jrmy> in lsmod its says something more about that
[16:04] <jrmy> get rid of the part after the colon and rep[lace the 2 witrh a four and basically
[16:05] <jrmy> so i have to type out word for word seriously?
[16:05] <jrmy> when you should already know
[16:06] <vidd> how should i already know?
[16:06] <vidd> im not there looking at your screen
[16:06] <vidd> anyway....
[16:07] <jrmy> 00:02.0 vga compatible controller: intel corporation 82830 CGC [chipset graphics controller] (rev 04)
[16:07] <vidd> set your kernel boot parameters to "Safe Graphics Mode"
[16:07] <jrmy> 00:02.0 display controller: intel corporation 82830 CGC [chipset graphics controller]
[16:07] <vidd> also, try disabling kernel mode setting
[16:08] <jrmy> whoops .1*
[16:08] <jrmy> 00.02.1 should be for display
[16:09] <jrmy> i donty know how to disable kernel mode
[16:09] <vidd> i figured that
[16:09] <jrmy> nmor do i know how to boot in safe graphics mode
[16:09] <jrmy> nor*
[16:09] <vidd> check out http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2010/02/intel-82830-cgc-830m-graphics.html
[16:09] <jrmy> one sec
[16:10] <vidd> step-by-step instructions for disabling kernel mode
[16:10] <_maddy> any idea why Transmission gives error "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." but still the download works?
[16:11] <jrmy>
[16:11] <jrmy> -+
[16:11] <jrmy> sorry i dropped my keyboard
[16:12] <jrmy> anyways i have to take someone to work on short notice
[16:12] <vidd> jrmy, near the middle of his post there is info about editing grub....that is what you want
[16:12] <jrmy> i opened the link vidd
[16:12] <jrmy> and ok
[16:12] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: what were you talking about?
[16:12] <vidd> !hi | maxamillion
[16:13] <maxamillion> vidd: hello
[16:13] <maxamillion> vidd: long time no see
[16:13] <vidd> ive been busy
[16:13] <maxamillion> ha! did you really just shoot me a bot message :P
[16:13] <cody-somerville> lol
[16:13] <jrmy> ah, ive disabled kernel before
[16:13] <jrmy> doesnt work
[16:13] <vidd> work's been a nightmare....kid just started kindergarden
[16:13] <jrmy> bbl vidd
[16:14] <maxamillion> vidd: oh wow
[16:15] <vidd> my oldest is having my second grandchild next month
[16:17] <maxamillion> vidd: congrats!
[16:17] <vidd> you only say that cuzz you dont know her might-as-well-be-husband
[16:18] <maxamillion> vidd: ah, I do not ...
[16:18] <vidd> =]
[16:19] <vidd> but this is a help chat for computer issues....
[16:19] <maxamillion> vidd: rgr that
[16:19] <vidd> where throwing the problem out the fortyith  story window onto an empty parking lot does NOT get you a jail term
[16:20] <vidd> =]
[16:20] <maxamillion> lol
[16:41] <vidd> do we know when/if the xterm issue will be fixed?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> It is already in proposes for testing
[16:42] <vidd> so....a week or less?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> I think we will see the fix within a week at the most
[16:43] <vidd> i hope so
[16:43] <vidd> i like using nano to edit config files
[16:43] <charlie-tca> me too. That bug is getting a LOT of dups
[16:43] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:43] <charlie-tca> I just add gedit to my desktop
[16:44] <Sysi> switch to other terminal emulator for while
[16:44] <vidd> mousepad does the trick...but its ANNOYING!
[16:44] <charlie-tca> They did fix terminator differently
[16:44] <charlie-tca> but it was the same bug. The fix this time will be in VTE, which will fix everything
[16:45] <vidd> i hope it happens soon....
[16:45] <vidd> i have 5 machines in need
[16:45] <vidd> an two more waiting to upgrade
[16:46] <jrmy> ok im back
[16:46] <vidd> jrmy, on that page i sent you the link to....
[16:46] <jrmy> so you want me yto boot 10.10 anbd do safe graphics?
[16:47] <jrmy> as in the live cd
[16:47] <vidd> yes
[16:47] <vidd> not nesisarrily the live cd....
[16:47] <jrmy> explain otherwise how i do this?
[16:47] <jrmy> -?
[16:47] <vidd> follow the instructions to have grub boot your system into safe grafix mode
[16:47] <jrmy> it says to push F4 then boot
[16:48] <vidd> look further down the page
[16:48] <jrmy> next step try ubuntu without installing
[16:48] <vidd> further down
[16:48] <vidd> way further
[16:49] <jrmy> ok where?
[16:49] <vidd> where it talks about grub
[16:49] <jrmy> safe graphics still correect?
[16:49] <vidd> right...but set grub
[16:50] <jrmy> ok so setting grub to do safe graphics
[16:50] <vidd> right
[16:50] <vidd> and where it says "gedit" use "nano" since you dont have a grafic environment to work in
[16:51] <jrmy> explain
[16:51] <jrmy> cause youre not making sense
[16:51] <jrmy> none of that mentions "safe graphics mode"
[16:51] <vidd> there are steps like "open gedit"
[16:52] <vidd> you cant open gedit because your xserver wont load
[16:52] <jrmy> it talks about disabling kernel mode..
[16:52] <jrmy> make yourself clear
[16:52] <vidd> so you have to open the files in a cli text editor like nano
[16:53] <jrmy> !nano
[16:53] <vidd> READ THE PAGE
[16:53] <jrmy> i have
[16:53] <jrmy> i dont see hwat youre talking about
[16:54] <jrmy> i915.modeset=0 does not work i repeat a second time
[16:54] <jrmy> err once
[16:55] <jrmy> is this your "safe grahpics mode"?
[16:55] <jrmy> safe graphics mode = i915.modeste=0?
[16:55] <jrmy> modeset*
[16:56] <jrmy> i said this before i left
[16:56] <jrmy> that it didnt work
[16:56] <jrmy> i hate going through these steps again
[16:57] <jrmy> if they didnt work the first time in grub why will it work with nano?
[16:57] <jrmy> are they essentially the same?
[16:57] <vidd> add this to your grub entry:
[16:57] <vidd> i915.modeset=0 nomodeset
[16:59] <jrmy> ctrl alt F7 aka X is stuck on the pre boot screen
[16:59] <jrmy> but im in tty mode firstly
[17:00] <ovrflw0x> i installed 10.10 on sony vaio vgc-fw12 brightness Fn keys don't work!
[17:00] <ovrflw0x> vgn*-fw12
[17:00] <jrmy> aka the screen that has the asterisks and says stuff that it loads for X or at least i assume its loading for X
[17:00] <jrmy> sound and battery are in this screen
[17:02] <ovrflw0x> anybody?
[17:02] <jrmy> i believe you can make them work again by customiing them
[17:02] <jrmy> customiing them*
[17:02] <ovrflw0x> from where?
[17:02] <jrmy> i dont know if it is the same as 10.04 however
[17:03] <vidd> jrmy, you have a login screen? or a prompt for safe grafix mode?
[17:03] <jrmy> i cant get X to boot on mine
[17:03] <jrmy> none of these vidd
[17:03] <jrmy> just tty
[17:04] <jrmy> vidd more then likely if i try startx it'll go black again
[17:04] <vidd> worse come to worse you can always remove/purge x11-common (and all grfical stuff dependant thereon) and reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[17:04] <jrmy> if i could reinstall xubuntu-desktop from 10.04 it would
[17:04] <vidd> why are you typing startx?
[17:04] <jrmy> lol
[17:05] <jrmy> starts x does it not?
[17:05] <vidd> i dont believe so
[17:05] <ovrflw0x> vidd, how to make this Fn keys work man i can't lower the freakin brightness
[17:05] <jrmy> !startx
[17:05] <vidd> ovrflw0x, dunno
[17:06] <jrmy> does fn down and up work?
[17:06] <jrmy> thats how it worked for me
[17:06] <vidd> jrmy, i restart x by sending the command "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[17:08] <jrmy> well idk
[17:08] <jrmy> want to see the log yet?
[17:08] <jrmy> Xor.0.log
[17:09] <jrmy> xorg*
[17:09] <jrmy> i wish i knew commands casue i could probably fix it myself
[17:09] <jrmy> but who knows if i even know the issue
[17:09] <vidd> can you upload them now?
[17:10] <jrmy> upload the log?
[17:10] <vidd> ye
[17:10] <vidd> s
[17:10] <jrmy> as in to a pastebin or show them on my screen
[17:10] <vidd> into a pastebin
[17:11] <jrmy> i can less /var/log/Xorg.0.log but i dont know how to put it on a pastebin from this computer
[17:11] <jrmy> there is no way im going to type everything out onto this computer that im talking with
[17:12] <vidd> does the computer you are currently on have an ftp or openssh server on it?
[17:12] <jrmy> it had ssh but i dont know about the server part
[17:12] <vidd> actually, you would want the openssh server on the problem computer
[17:12] <jrmy> i used it to connect to the one im on now but not the other
[17:13] <jrmy> but i suppose i could sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[17:13] <vidd> on the broke machine, type "sudo apt-get install openssh-server"
[17:13] <jrmy> however knowing how to get the rsa code is another story
[17:14] <jrmy> ok it already is
[17:14] <vidd> with ssh server on the broken machine, you can remote into the broke machine, display the contents of the log file, highlight, copy, paste to pastebin from good computer
[17:15] <jrmy> ahead of you already
[17:15] <jrmy> lol
[17:16] <vidd> spelling it out for others who may read this later with similar issues
[17:16] <jrmy> im just suprised i didnt hink about this before
[17:16] <vidd> when you asked if i wanted to read the log file, i had assumed you already did this =]
[17:17] <jrmy> lol
[17:17] <jrmy> nope
[17:17] <jrmy> im learning
[17:18] <vidd> its what i get for assuming
[17:18] <vidd> =]
[17:18] <jrmy> anyways the important stuff will be past the modes on the bottom
[17:18] <jrmy> http://paste2.org/p/1033795
[17:18] <jrmy> or at least i assume
[17:18] <vidd> having log files is always better than not having log files =\
[17:19] <jrmy> i dont know what is and isnt so important in the log file
[17:20] <vidd> xorg is looking for /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[17:21] <vidd> and /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic
[17:21] <jrmy> neither exist i assume
[17:22] <jrmy> brb
[17:23] <vidd> is this a 64-bit system or a 32-bit system?
[17:23] <jrmy> back
[17:24] <jrmy> 32
[17:24] <jrmy> i havent had a new computer since liek 99 i think
[17:24] <vidd> not the version you put on...but the processor
[17:24] <vidd> kk
[17:24] <jrmy> laptop was from the same year i believe
[17:24] <jrmy> which i got for free recently
[17:25] <vidd> found the issue
[17:25] <jrmy> good
[17:25] <jrmy> so was i correct with the log file being pertinent?
[17:26] <vidd> xorg is trying to set resolution to 640x480 and your monitor does not support that mode
[17:26] <vidd> Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
[17:26] <jrmy> right
[17:26] <jrmy> ive been wanting to know how to fix that
[17:27] <vidd> let me do some research real quick
[17:27] <jrmy>    k
[17:28] <vidd> sudo Xorg -configure
[17:29] <vidd> jrmy, you may need to kill your xserver to run that
[17:30] <jrmy> i'll paste2 what it says
[17:30] <jrmy> http://paste2.org/p/1033811
[17:31] <vidd> jrmy, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[17:31] <vidd> for now, choose vesa
[17:33] <jrmy> what?
[17:33] <jrmy> ah, ok
[17:34]  * jrmy asked ubottu
[17:34] <jrmy> ok so use vesa
[17:35] <vidd> once the new xorg config file is set, reboot and take out the adjustments to the grub entry
[17:36] <jrmy> as in i915.modeset blah blah blah?
[17:36] <jrmy> im still reading btw
[17:36] <vidd> yes
[17:36] <jrmy> well xrandr is useless since x wont initiate but i know my monitor can use 1024 by 768 which is what i liek using anyways
[17:37] <jrmy> so yeah
[17:38] <vidd> its not "useless" just "currently not available"
[17:38] <vidd> once we get x to load, then we use xrandr to fix it up
[17:43] <jrmy> well the manual for xorg.conf is a bit overwhelming
[17:43] <jrmy> nor do i know what most of it means
[17:43] <jrmy> cant i just use nano to write it?
[17:43] <jrmy> why do they make it so complicated?
[17:44] <jrmy> perhaps i'd rather have things indexed
[17:44] <vidd> if you know where to put it, then yes, you can use nano to write it
[17:44] <Sysi> (thanks for talking about that i915.modeset=0 i fixed one error in my system with that)
[17:44] <jrmy> indexing makes things easier for me i believe
[17:44] <vidd> but if you set some settings incorrectly, you can cause physical damage to your monitor
[17:45] <jrmy> well physical damage wouldnt be good no
[17:45] <vidd> Sysi, no problem...please pay at the door =]
[17:45] <jrmy> heh
[17:46] <jrmy> well im close to fixing it i assume.. yet it seems like a big leap
[17:46] <vidd> Sysi, your fee is three helpful instructions =]
[17:47] <Sysi> about? :)
[17:47] <vidd> anything you can help with
[17:48] <jrmy> if i saved the newly written config file as /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d then i assume the system will find it and if i wrote it correctly X will work
[17:48] <vidd> from the help ive recieved over the years, i only have 749,613 instructions left to go =]
[17:48] <jrmy> however it also depends if it lets me overwrite it
[17:48] <vidd> jrmy, no...you dont want to overwrite the .d.....
[17:49] <vidd> that is an app
[17:49] <jrmy> .d is default?
[17:49] <vidd> no..its what makes xorg work
[17:49] <jrmy> once again something else i dont understand
[17:49] <vidd> you should save it as xorg.conf
[17:49] <jrmy> can i edit said app?
[17:49] <jrmy> oh
[17:49] <jrmy> well ok
[17:50] <jrmy> same directory?
[17:50] <jrmy> and will it know to find it?
[17:50] <vidd> it should
[17:51] <knome> /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[17:51] <vidd> the ".d" indicates its a deamon
[17:51] <jrmy> or do i use /home/jrmy/xorg.conf.new?
[17:51] <vidd> knome, tyvery much
[17:51] <vidd> jrmy, /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[17:51] <knome> np
[17:52] <vidd> knome, btw...awesome artwork this release
[17:52] <jrmy> so overwrite this file if it exists
[17:52] <knome> vidd, good to hear you like
[17:52] <knome> +it
[17:52] <knome> vidd, and thanks
[17:52] <vidd> overwrite /etc/X11/Xorg.conf if it exists
[17:52] <vidd> most likely it does not
[17:53] <jrmy> ok now i just need to know what to write
[17:53] <vidd> it is important that you set the path correctly
[17:53] <jrmy> heh
[17:53] <jrmy> how do i "save as" with nano?
[17:53] <judgen> jrmy, how much video ram does the system tell you that you have on that laptop?
[17:53] <vidd> [ctrl] [x]
[17:53] <jrmy> in bios it says *MB
[17:53] <vidd> then correct the path
[17:54] <jrmy> ctrl x exits nano
[17:54] <jrmy> 8*
[17:54] <vidd> yes...and when it exits it prompts to save
[17:54] <knome> jrmy, ctrl+O (save) asks for path
[17:54] <vidd> you can accept the stated path, or change it
[17:54] <jrmy> judgen: how do i check for video ram otherwise?
[17:54] <judgen> Bios does not matter in this equation. Your laptop is very well documented with a buggy bios if it is newer than 30.* and it only makes 1mb available to Linux and other OS'es (except windows wich can use the full 8 mb)
[17:55] <jrmy> lsmod?
[17:55] <jrmy> then video
[17:55] <jrmy> er modinfo video
[17:55] <jrmy> or just modinfo video
[17:56] <judgen> lspci
[17:56] <judgen> then see what number your gfx card has
[17:56] <jrmy> 00:02.0 and 00:02.1
[17:56] <jrmy> yes?
[17:56] <judgen> then this is my example "lspci -v -s 00:02.0"
[17:56] <jrmy> or is it the rev #
[17:57] <jrmy> ok
[17:57] <jrmy> so do i want the display controller or the vga controller?
[17:57] <judgen> vga should be the one
[17:58] <vidd> jrmy, that is the 00:02:0
[17:58] <jrmy> yeah 00.02.1 didnt work anyways
[17:59] <vidd> pastebin the results
[17:59] <judgen> ok
[18:00] <judgen> you should have 512kb non-prefetchable and 7,5-8mb with prefetchable video ram
[18:00] <judgen> if your bios works properly
[18:01] <jrmy> http://paste2.org/p/1033850 used -v and -s with the command and got this
[18:01] <jrmy> my biso version is 36.00.16 i believe
[18:01] <jrmy> which apparently is the older one
[18:02] <judgen> good =D
[18:02] <vidd> jrmy, you have your xorg set up now?
[18:02] <jrmy> verdict?
[18:02] <jrmy> no
[18:02] <jrmy> i dont know how entirely
[18:03] <jrmy> i know i can use nano and i need certain info but how to write it in the language it reads is above my head
[18:04] <jrmy> so what does it say my vram is?
[18:04] <jrmy> i dont know how to read it
[18:05] <jrmy> ok well i have to go get food now.. im hungry so bbiab
[18:05] <judgen> ok this question must be silly, but i have missed some of the conversation.. Have you installed the intel 915 drivers, deleted the xorg.conf and ran a "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh" ?
[19:46] <jrmy> i am back
[19:52] <jrmy> judgen: no i havent installed any drivers
[19:52] <jrmy> there is drivers i can install?
[19:52] <jrmy> im suprised no one has said anything
[19:53] <jrmy> if that fixes it then derp
[19:53] <jrmy> anyone here?
[20:10] <jrmy> apparently it didnt work judgen when i tired remobing the module then getting the drivers
[20:17] <DBeets> !LTS
[20:17] <DBeets> !lucid
[20:17] <Sysi> !investigation
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Update is out for TERM issue. Just need to run updates
[20:24] <Sysi> wohou
[20:28] <TheSheep> yay
[20:28] <kaolbrec> \o/
[20:30] <TheSheep> an advantage of the dumb terminal: debconf won't block updates with its silly dialogs :D
[20:42] <jrmy> i dont want physical damage to my laptops video chip so im probably not going to be writing a Xorg.conf anytime soon
[21:14] <spy6> hi there
[21:15] <charlie-tca> !hi | spy6
[21:15] <spy6> anyhow the theming of the panels got lost on update
[21:15] <spy6> any idea hot to reset them to default?
[21:15] <spy6> s/hot/how/
[21:19] <charlie-tca> !panels
[21:19] <charlie-tca> The community page tells how to reset them completely
[21:25] <spy6> charlie-tca: thanks
[21:25] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:36] <spy6> hmm .. i guess there is any theming missing
[21:37] <spy6> "/etc/xdg/xfce4/panel" is just the xfce default, but not the xubuntu defaults
[21:37] <charlie-tca> That is where xubuntu gets its default panel
[21:39] <spy6> hmmm
[21:45] <spy6> okay ... how to recover the theme shown at xubuntu.org? :)
[21:47] <spy6> is that theme "albatros"?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> change you theme in Applications -> Settings -> Xfce4 Settings Manager -> Appearance to albatross, then change
[21:48] <charlie-tca> Window Manager theme to albatross
[21:48] <mark76> Which version of Xubuntu?
[21:48] <mark76> It's Bluebird in 10.10
[21:48] <charlie-tca> 10.04 and 10.10
[21:49] <mark76> Albatross is so last year :p
[21:49] <charlie-tca> mark76: the theme shown at http://xubuntu.org is albatross
[21:51] <mark76> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tuxmachines.org/images/xubuntu-10.10-screenshot-theme.png&imgrefurl=http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/47566&usg=__dqnwqmP2NWqBJHhqjS5M5M1SLLA=&h=301&w=400&sz=117&hl=en&start=3&sig2=a0KlNixZ7xpL-PxBaWJgRw&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=DuMpTIzcf8vVuM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DXubuntu%2B10.10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=JMq0TJi-OYnN
[21:51] <mark76> 4gb4ne2fDQ
[21:51] <mark76> Dear God!
[21:51] <mark76> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/47566
[21:55] <mark76> Much nicer :)
[21:55] <Makdaam> hello
[21:55] <Makdaam> I've got a problem with my Intel i915 + ATI Mobility Radeon combo
[21:58] <mark76> Is it an Xfce4 problem, Makdaam?
[21:59] <mark76> Hey jrmy
[22:00] <Makdaam> nope
[22:00] <Makdaam> :)
[22:00] <Makdaam> but there's noone on #ubuntu that would help me
[22:01] <Makdaam> it's probably X related or driver/kernel related
[22:01] <Wizard> hi
[22:01] <Wizard> I have unusual problem :D
[22:01] <Makdaam> BTW where's xorg.conf in 10.04?
[22:01] <spy6> hmmm....
[22:02] <spy6> makdaam: maybe you haven't one
[22:02] <mark76> Yeah. Trying to get help in the Ubuntu room can be a bit like shouting into the wind at times
[22:02] <charlie-tca> Normally there is no xorg.conf anymore
[22:02] <spy6> in this case its generated on the fly
[22:02] <Wizard> i've found a song, most of it is in polish, last verse is in some romance language
[22:02] <Wizard> any spaniards, portuguese, romanians, moldovans, italians here? :D
[22:02] <Makdaam> how do I dump it into a file?
[22:02] <mark76> :/
[22:03] <spy6> hmm ... my menu is grey .. the rest of my workspace is black .. did i miss anything related to the menu?
[22:03] <Makdaam> Wizard: try unilang
[22:03] <Wizard> i don't have proper lyrics
[22:03] <jrmy> hey mark76
[22:04] <Wizard> i have only a link to song
[22:04] <Wizard> ;P
[22:04] <Wizard> i don't even know where to look for help
[22:04] <mark76> Berlitz?
[22:04] <charlie-tca> spy6: you changed both window manager and appearance themes to albatross?
[22:06] <Makdaam> Wizard, I'd try unilang :) it's a forum centred on languages...
[22:07] <Wizard> k, i'll try
[22:07] <Wizard> hmm #romanian exists
[22:31] <Makdaam> heh, problem solved
[22:31] <Wizard> yup
[22:31] <Makdaam> HP not only makes lousy PCs, has incompetent tech support, but also lies about laptop specs
[22:32] <Wizard> and probably messes acpi
[22:32] <Makdaam> I got a sigsegv in glxgears/glxinfo and anything OpenGL related because Mesa tried to use the ATI Radeon... which is not a part of this laptop
[22:34] <Wizard> :)
[22:35] <Wizard> kewl
[23:05] <xubuntu116> hola
[23:05] <xubuntu116> hola
[23:05] <xubuntu116> hola
[23:06] <xubuntu116> que hay
[23:06] <charlie-tca> !english
[23:06] <xubuntu116> only english?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:06] <xubuntu116> why?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> There are other channels that are language specific
[23:07] <vidd> !es
[23:07] <xubuntu116> ok
[23:07] <xubuntu116> thnaks
[23:07] <vidd> de nada
[23:09] <vidd> i hope he(?) was looking for spanish =]
[23:15] <charlie-tca> heh
[23:15] <charlie-tca> apparently, he did not want english, huh?
[23:17] <vidd> most like his english is sketchy


[15:55] <saivann> asac : If you want to take a look at bug #176658, I provided a debdiff to improve the actual ubufox icon in Firefox.
[15:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176658 in ubufox "ubufox icon could be cleaner" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176658
[17:52] <asac> saivann: good ... i have to update ubufox soon though ... will come back about that icon :)
[17:52]  * asac out for workout
[18:25] <saivann> asac : Great, thanks!
[20:22] <Ubulette> damn, trunk is broken in pyxpcom: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3565/
[20:26] <Ubulette> [reed], ^^
[20:27] <[reed]> file a bug?


[11:43] <inlakech> hi, does anyone know whether jack1 or jack2 is the default for ubuntustudio?
[11:43] <inlakech> I mean, which is installed in the distribution by default
[11:45] <cfhowlett> inlakech, appears to be jack2
[11:45] <inlakech> oki thanks
[11:45] <inlakech> I found it hard to figure out ^_^
[11:46] <inlakech> did you use a command to figure out, or check docs?
[11:46] <cfhowlett> inlakech, dpkg -l jack
[11:46] <cfhowlett> jack*
[11:47] <inlakech> ahh
[11:48] <inlakech> useful command that, thanks
[11:48] <cfhowlett> inlakech, happy2help!
[13:37] <john-edi> Hi, folks, I'm sort of new to this chat media, have been using Ubuntu Studio for quite some time and would like to express my gratefulness to this software, It has greatly improved in the last years and is quite stable and fun to use!
[13:37] <cfhowlett> :)
[16:04] <Bernhard_L> Installed a week ago dssi-vst adapter on my 64 bit machine, and the installation deleted some programs i.e. Rosegarden.
[16:04] <Bernhard_L> The matter is, now I lost my fluidsynth-dssi plugin too.
[16:04] <Bernhard_L> Howto get it back. Qsynth is not working satisfying, so it is no alternative now.
[16:05] <Bernhard_L> Can anybody give any advice?
[18:23] <holstein> Bernhard_L: sudo apt-get install or the package manager of your choice
[18:23] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install rosegarden ..likely
[18:24] <Bernhard_L> holstein, yes I did, but the fluidsynth-dssi plugin went lost before too.
[18:24] <Bernhard_L> holstein, this is what I have a problem.
[18:24] <Bernhard_L> and maybe other dssi plugins.
[18:24] <holstein> Bernhard_L: went lost?
[18:25] <holstein> you mean, you added a PPA? or 3rd party source? and now, you have to choose between the packages that are supported?
[18:25] <Bernhard_L> Yes when trying to install the vst-dssi adapter they were deleted too.
[18:25] <Bernhard_L> I did it from the package manager.
[18:26] <Bernhard_L> holstein, no, no
[18:26] <Bernhard_L> I didn't at any third party ppa. It was in the repository.
[18:26] <Bernhard_L> add
[18:26] <holstein> you can try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install rosegarden --no-install-recommends"
[18:27] <holstein> otherwise, use a pastebin to try and share messages..
[18:27] <holstein> !paste
[18:28] <Bernhard_L> holstein, do you think this will bring fluidsynth-dssi plugin back?
[18:29] <holstein> Bernhard_L: no.. as i said, its a suggestion to try to install rosegarden, when its removed by installing that plugin
[18:29] <holstein> try it reall quick and see.. and share m
[18:29] <holstein> "messages" in the pastebin
[18:30] <Bernhard_L> holstein, okay
[18:31] <Bernhard_L> holstein, I already installed rosegarden, but am missing the plugin.
[18:32] <holstein> Bernhard_L: sure, friend
[18:32] <holstein> Bernhard_L: please *install* said plugin
[18:32] <holstein> Bernhard_L: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install fluidsynth-dssi
[18:32] <holstein> *then*, share the messages.. and see if rosegarden is removed
[18:33] <holstein> *if* it is, then, use the command i linked above.. sudo apt-get install rosegarden --no-install-recommends
[18:33] <holstein> share output in a pastebin.. i dont know what you are seeing from your system..
[18:34] <Bernhard_L> holstein, I think I got it now.
[18:34] <Bernhard_L> fluidsynth-dssi (1.0.0-6ubuntu1) wird eingerichtet ...
[18:36] <Bernhard_L> holstein, thank you very much. It is there again.
[18:36] <Bernhard_L> I am happy.
[18:38] <holstein> Bernhard_L: cheers!
[21:31] <akiva-thinkpad> is ubuntu studio xfce or unity?
[21:35] <VidjaJames> xfce by default


[03:35] <mup> Bug #1677318 changed: [2.2] Hardware test "back" navigation goes out-of-context <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1677318>
[03:35] <mup> Bug #1720167 changed: Clicking 'back to machine details' goes to the main summary page <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1720167>
[12:27] <mup> Bug #1732169 opened: [2.3rc2, UI] When I click on "See results" from a component, MAAS should take me to the hardware tests section and scroll to that component <2.3qa> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732169>
[13:57] <mup> Bug #1732184 opened: [2.3rc2, UI] In devices, when the IP assignment is dynamic the interfaces table doesn't have a value for IP address and subnet <2.3qa> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732184>
[13:57] <mup> Bug #1732187 opened: [2.3rc2, UI] In devices, the IP assignment option for interfaces is called dynamic, while in machines it is called auto-assign <2.3qa> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732187>
[13:57] <mup> Bug #1732188 opened: [2.3rc2, UI] In devices, when I click Edit from the Overview or the Tags card I go to Configuration but the page content is empty <2.3qa> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732188>
[14:09] <vogelc> Has anyone had MAAS hang after the kernel and initrd are loaded during pxe boot?  If you reboot the system it will work and continue booting.
[14:25] <jac_cplane> We have a charm for xenial that relys on /etc/network/interfaces, there was a recent update to curtin that moves /etc/network/interfaces to /etc/network/interfaces.d.   I dont think this is correct, but I' not sure why this change was made.  Can someone help?
[14:25] <jac_cplane> is there a way to revert back to /etc/network/interfaces
[14:27] <mup> Bug #1732194 opened: [2.3rc2, UI] When I want to add a new interface to a device the MAC address field has a red border <2.3qa> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732194>
[14:53] <jac_cplane> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1732202 bug opened for /etc/network/interface file on curtin 532
[14:57] <mup> Bug #1732202 opened: Xenial Deploy fails when using /etc/network/interface <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732202>
[15:09] <mup> Bug #1732202 changed: Xenial Deploy fails when using /etc/network/interface <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732202>
[15:18] <mup> Bug #1732202 opened: Xenial Deploy fails when using /etc/network/interface <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732202>
[15:27] <mup> Bug #1732202 changed: Xenial Deploy fails when using /etc/network/interface <curtin:Incomplete> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732202>
[16:09] <mup> Bug #1732215 opened: [2.3rc2, UI] When I am editing the configuration of a device the edit button remains on the screen <2.3qa> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732215>
[17:18] <xygnal_> is UEFI the prefered boot method or do you still depend on legacy in most cases?
[17:19] <mup> Bug #1732220 opened: [2.3rc2, UI] In controllers, when I click Edit from the Tags card I go to Configuration but the page content is empty <2.3qa> <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732220>
[17:19] <mup> Bug #1732224 opened: [2.3rc2, UI] Information is missing from the CPU and Memory  cards in controller summary <2.3qa> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732224>
[17:19] <xygnal_> curious as i saw a bug showing it has been implimented, but our dell boxes had trouble booting an OS with it.
[17:19] <xygnal_> magic number error
[17:35] <roaksoax> xygnal_: uefi is supported
[17:35] <roaksoax> xygnal_: all of what we do in the field is efi
[17:35] <roaksoax> xygnal_: we avoid legacy
[17:36] <roaksoax> xygnal_: that said, a lot of the issues we face are mainly 2: 1. firmware issues, where machines require a newer firmware. 2. configuration of the bios to do efi
[17:40] <roaksoax> also, we had issues with grub2, but we fixed the ones that were blocking us
[17:52] <xygnal_> so xenial commission images should support it?
[17:54] <roaksoax> xygnal_: commissioning should detect whether the systems is EFI configured or legacy
[17:54] <roaksoax> so that when you deploy it does the right righ
[17:54] <xygnal_> we are seeing hangs during commission using BIOS mode so was hoping to give UEFI a try.
[17:54] <roaksoax> xygnal_: but where does it hang ?
[17:55] <xygnal_> very early. when grabbing initrd i think.
[17:55] <roaksoax> xygnal_: maybe it doesn't hang, but since console may not be enabled it doesn't output anything ?
[17:55] <xygnal_> if we power  cycle the box again and again it eventually gets past it
[17:57] <xygnal_> we are not  changing any options so the fact it does this at random does not suggest lack of tty redirect
[17:58] <xygnal_> loading ubuntu/amd64/generic/xenial/daily/boot-initrd ok
[17:58] <xygnal_> last line
[17:58] <xygnal_> after that, nothing.
[17:59] <xygnal_> commission never stops. sits like that in console untl
[17:59] <xygnal_> rebooted, or aborted
[17:59] <xygnal_> what comes after initrd?
[18:23] <vogelc_> roaksoax: could you tell me where maas stores the url to pull down centos images?  I mirrored them locally and want to maas to look locally.
[18:49] <roaksoax> vogelc_: maas pulls all images from the streams. so you need a image mirror to pull ubuntu/centos. The only thingh you need to do is to point ythat to your local mirror
[18:52] <xygnal_> that?
[18:59] <roaksoax> xygnal_: the initrd will load the image into the ephemeral environment to run comissioning
[18:59] <roaksoax> xygnal_: have you sent kernel parameters to enable console of the machine and see what's happeninig ?
[19:07] <vogelc_> roaksoax: turns out the image I mirrored with streams was bad,  I am resyncing.
[19:20] <xygnal_> roak: i dont enable any console options for commission. console always nust
[19:21] <xygnal_> just worked
[19:21] <xygnal_> what do you want me to change in orser t
[19:21] <xygnal_> order to see more
[19:22] <roaksoax> xygnal_: add kernel parameters for the machine to enable console
[19:22] <roaksoax> and see what happens
[19:22] <roaksoax> vogelc_: you should be able to input to index.json
[19:47] <xygnal_> roaksoax: suggested options?
[19:48] <roaksoax> xygnal_: https://docs.ubuntu.com/maas/2.1/en/installconfig-nodes-kernel-boot-options
[20:07] <roaksoax> vogelc_: s/input/point/


[10:21] <Mr_Pan> Kilos> we need a rapid solutions for italian forum (Carlin0's ban..)
[10:23] <Kilos> Mr_Pan  I am trying but janvitus is stalling
[10:23] <Mr_Pan> yes i know
[10:24] <Kilos> he must have the eeting in a logged channel but he does not want that
[10:24] <Kilos> meeting
[10:25] <Mr_Pan> he refuses any direct contact.
[10:25] <Mr_Pan> He wants to resolve privately with Carlin= but on his own (very very long) timeline. We have proposed him a meeting on the channel-meeting but he refuses
[10:26] <Kilos> well! if he has a meeting with Carlin0 privately and still bans him we ask the community council to step in
[10:26] <Kilos> 9 years is too long to ban someone
[10:27] <Mr_Pan> no words... :| itś incredible  they manage the forum as if it were their own private thing
[10:29] <Kilos> yes that is a problem. they dont seem to realise that channel is on a canonical server and it is an ubuntu channel not a private owned server or channel
[10:29] <Mr_Pan> yeah!
[10:30] <Kilos> and his little council expired many years ago
[10:31] <Kilos> there is not place for personal issues when it comes to working ubuntu
[10:36] <Mr_Pan> haven't renewed the board since 2016 ...
[10:37] <Kilos> i think  janvitus forgot the code of conduct if he ever did sign it
[10:37] <Kilos> this is all very unpleasant
[10:38] <nicoz-> https://launchpad.net/~janvitus
[10:38] <nicoz-> :)
[10:38] <Mr_Pan> https://launchpad.net/~janvitus     he has signed it
[10:38] <Kilos> he needs to read it agin
[19:51] <Kilos> night all. be good
[20:02] <Maik> o/


[01:44] <Javezim> Hey all, how do you upgrade from samba 4.1.6 to 4.1.18+ on ubuntu 14.04
[01:49] <nacc> Javezim: you don't, at least not in a supported way
[01:50] <Javezim> nacc: Hmm well apparently there are a few bug fixes in the latest version that we are seeing
[01:50] <Javezim> so is there anyway to do this?
[01:52] <sarnold> download tarball from samba.org, check signatures, build, install into /usr/local/, remove ubuntu-provided samba packages, integrate the ones you build..
[01:55] <teward> though I would expect it to have some quirks, since at that point you sacrifice the support of security updates (unless you recompile each version, etc.)
[01:55] <teward> and some headaches :P
[01:55] <Javezim> Yeah that sounds like way to much of a pain
[01:56] <Javezim> Well maybe someone can help with the actual issue we are having
[01:57] <Javezim> Samba keeps crashing when read/writing a file
[01:57] <sarnold> if you can isolate the fixes you need you could prepare a debdiff for sponsoring..
[01:57] <Javezim> Output from log level = 2 is here - pasted.co/86397482
[01:58] <teward> permit me to yell at you for not using the Ubuntu pastebin, if only because that pastebin attempted to launch a suspicious popup (my Snort network monitoring detected the weirdness in the popup, plus my popup blocker kicked in)
[01:58] <Javezim> This error constantly occurs when reading/writing a file. We use Samba with Gluster and can't figure why this is happening on one of our setups but not another
[02:00] <Javezim> paste.ubuntu.com/15564525
[06:18] <newbsduser> hello, iam looking for a test utility for generating accounting requests for freeradius server, i tried radtest but it generates authentication requests... i also asked it in freeradius channel but i wanted to ask it here, too
[08:31] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:17] <ZoderUck> hey
[09:17] <ZoderUck> how to ensure all *.php files are handled by my fastcgi php  and not redirected to mod_mono,  mod_mono is required for  mvc app, that works.
[09:21] <ndf> sounds like a question for #php ;P
[09:27] <ZoderUck> aha and in #php they redirect me to #mvc ?
[11:24] <stephank> I'm trying to automate setup of EC2 instances (testing with xenial) that handle a lot of connections, and I'm running into conntrack limits ("table full, dropping packet"). I can raise the limit, but is there a way to disable connection tracking completely?
[11:33] <stephank> Think I found a way that'll do. I was going to roundabout way of trying to remove LXC from cloud-init, but it executes too late I think. LXC is the only thing loading the kernel modules.
[11:33] <stephank> But I instead found this, and it seems to leave the conntrack table empty now: http://serverfault.com/a/234572/40783
[12:44] <pmatulis> morning
[12:46] <RoyK> hm... anyone remember what SAS' counterpart is for SATA's S.M.A.R.T. ? smartctl doesn't list much for SAS drives
[12:46] <Sling> RoyK: that should 'just work'
[12:46] <Sling> iirc
[12:46] <RoyK> Sling: it doesn't
[12:47] <RoyK> Sling: sata disk on a sas controller - fine - but SAS drives don't have S.M.A.R.T.
[12:48] <Sling> sas/scsi even tape devices support smart commands
[12:48] <Sling> or at least, smartctl can pull info from them
[12:48] <RoyK> Sling: http://paste.debian.net/422987/
[12:49] <RoyK> so *some* info, but not everything I want
[12:50] <RoyK> or perhaps I'm just confused - completely different format (and I want this into munin)
[12:50] <Sling> it's also possible smart isn't enabled for the device
[12:50] <Sling> but supported
[12:51] <RoyK> see the paste - says it's enabled
[12:51] <Sling> ah sorry can't open the paste right now
[12:53] <patdk-wk> sas has smart
[12:53] <patdk-wk> it's just different :)
[12:54] <patdk-wk> that is normal expected results for smart from scsi/sas
[12:55] <patdk-wk> Elements in grown defect list: 0
[12:58] <RoyK> let's see.... do echo -n "$i: "; smartctl -a /dev/$i | grep 'Elements in grown defect list' ; done # ;)
[12:58] <RoyK> zero...
[13:03] <patdk-wk> it was the same for my scsi disks and fc disks back in 2000
[13:03] <patdk-wk> nothing has change
[13:03] <patdk-wk> only smart was added to ide
[14:14] <teward> jgrimm: ping, if you're not busy
[14:16] <jgrimm> teward, howdy
[14:17] <teward> jgrimm: did you get the email I sent yesterday, or did my Snort firewall nom the message before it was sent?
[14:17] <teward> s/firewall/IDS/
[14:17] <jgrimm> teward i did, i have had a chance to chat with rbasak yet as he was out on pto earlier this week
[14:18] <teward> ok
[14:18] <teward> you did ask re: that in the server team meeting, so I sent to you and rbasak so you'd both be able to discuss and get back to me :P
[14:18] <rbasak> Sorry teward, I've only been back today
[14:18] <teward> rbasak: no problem, you didn't miss too much :0
[14:18] <teward> :)  *
[14:19] <teward> rbasak: review the email I sent to you and jgrimm, though.  further discussion on that issue may have to be off-channel
[14:20] <jgrimm> teward, ack.
[14:21]  * teward goes back to poking his sbuild schroots to try and make them work again
[14:21] <rbasak> teward: reply sent
[14:23] <teward> hasn't arrived yet, i'll look when it gets here.  Aaaand, thunderbird just blew up >.>
[14:31] <teward> rbasak: any chance you can resend?  Looks like something somewhere ate the message
[14:31] <teward> (or it never sent out)
[14:35] <rbasak> teward: sorry, my fault. gpg agent issues. I sent unsigned.
[14:36] <teward> rbasak: no problem :)
[14:36] <teward> got it
[14:36] <teward> (i'm having gpg-agent issues myself, but it's an issue with my Thunderbird blowing up)_
[14:37] <rbasak> The default agent config seems to break when I'm using a screen from somewhere else.
[14:37] <teward> indeed.
[14:37] <rbasak> Seems to expect some sort of desktop session or DISPLAY connection or something I don't necessarily always have.
[14:37] <rbasak> Which is wrong IMHO. I have a uid. That should be enough to reach my agent.
[14:38] <jgrimm> teward, +1 on rbasak's response to you
[14:38] <jgrimm> wrt nginx
[14:39] <teward> jgrimm: rbasak: thank you both!  I thought it'd be a good idea to loop you both in on it!
[14:40] <teward> jgrimm: rbasak: the only pending issue is 1.9.13, as it needs reviewed for a freeze exception
[14:40] <teward> probably going to poke -release at some point today to see if they can look at it before next thursday, but lets hope that lands
[14:41] <jgrimm> thanks teward
[14:41] <rbasak> teward: thanks. Your FFe request seems comprehensive.
[14:42] <teward> rbasak: indeed.  I kept the same level of thoroughness as the last ;)
[14:43] <jcastro> rbasak: heya, welcome back, I see you're working on the FFe for juju-core
[14:44] <rbasak> jcastro: o/
[14:44] <rbasak> jcastro: it's not really in my hands right now.
[14:45] <jcastro> well, our team specifically needs help with charm-tools
[14:46] <jcastro> but we're unfamiliar with the distro process and were shepherded to "ask someone on -server, they have smart people, you guys make server tools."
[14:47] <teward> heheh
[14:47] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/charm-tools/+bug/1546776
[14:47] <jcastro> it's more of a "what do we do now?" question more than anything else
[14:50] <frickler> jamespage: do you have packages ready for ceph 10.1.0 already? I just tested upgrading from 10.0.2 to 10.0.5 and that didn't work too well, sadly
[14:50] <jamespage> frickler, not archive ready yet but you can try ppa:openstack-ubunut-testing/ceph-sru
[14:51] <jamespage> ppa:openstack-ubuntu-testing/ceph-sru
[14:51] <jamespage> rather
[14:52] <jamespage> frickler, amd64 is still building right now
[14:52] <jamespage> frickler, I've been debugging some i386 build failures but with a 3 hour build loop it takes some time...
[14:53] <jamespage> jcastro, we get things uploaded....
[14:53] <jamespage> pitti +1'ed
[15:01] <frickler> jamespage: great, thx
[15:04] <teward> rbasak: insight please - FFe bug status == confirmed means what?
[15:05] <rbasak> teward: nothing really. Just that someone else is affected (ie. wants it)
[15:05] <teward> ok
[15:05] <teward> so I should prod -release then :)
[15:24] <jamespage> teward, once a member of the release team comments with a +1 and marks it triaged, its approved
[15:24] <teward> jamespage: ack, thanks, i'll keep that in mind going forward :)
[15:24] <teward> (this should be documented somewhere!   I have set send/recieve to UTF-8
[15:42] <thebwt> cagmz: are you getting the empty box? could be the glyphs aren't tehre.
[15:42] <thebwt> there*
[15:43] <cagmz> for the infinity character, I get '8', and for an arrow, I get '?'
[15:43] <cagmz> however, using Bitvssh Tunnelier, both characters show up
[22:16] <YamakasY> erm is there some lsb release done ?
[22:24] <halvors> Hi. How to change the permission of a folder from drw-r----- to -rw-r-----
[22:24] <halvors> ?
[22:25] <sarnold> halvors: what does that 'd' mean?
[22:26] <RoyK> halvors: øh - d is dir, man ;)
[22:27] <halvors> oh.
[22:27] <halvors> Cause my problem is that rsyslog is unable to write to that directory somehow...
[22:28] <RoyK> trying to tell syslog to log to a directory as opposed to a file? ;)
[22:29] <halvors> No that's not it.
[22:29] <halvors> I have this in my rsyslog configuration: $template DynFile, "/home/hoursgaming/syslog/%$DAY%.%$MONTH%.%$YEAR%/%HOSTNAME%.log"
[22:29] <halvors> *.* -?DynFile
[22:30] <halvors> But the file is somehow never created.
[22:37] <halvors> Anyone knows why that might be?
[22:37] <halvors> How can i check if rsyslog have problems writing the file?
[22:38] <sarnold> most of those things that look like variables are using %$..%
[22:38] <sarnold> but hostname does not
[22:41] <halvors> The problem seems to be that i'm unable to write to folders other than /var/log/syslog
[22:41] <halvors> /var/log i mean.
[22:44] <sarnold> is your syslog daemon confined with apparmor? check dmesg or your auditd logs for DENIED lines
[23:03] <patdk-lap> I hate writing to /var/log
[23:03] <patdk-lap> it causes so many unneeded iops
[23:06] <sarnold> do you use a loghost instead?
[23:06] <patdk-lap> ya
[23:07] <sarnold> let the loghost deal with the iops :D


[00:00] <SiDi> knome, ?
[00:00] <SiDi> :(
[00:01] <SiDi> knome, why so ?
[00:03] <knome> meh
[00:03] <knome> you can wonder it out yourself
[00:04] <SiDi> no :p
[00:04] <SiDi> its cause i didnt thank knome ? :]
[00:04] <knome> you fooled Hanthor ;P
[00:04] <SiDi> oh this XD
[00:04] <SiDi> indeed
[00:04] <SiDi> i even joined all his channels
[00:05] <SiDi> and said, Hanthor, everywhere !
[00:05] <knome> o.o
[00:06] <SiDi> now im playin ff xii :D
[00:06] <knome> duh
[00:07] <knome> atm i'm getting tired
[00:10] <SiDi> huhoh
[00:10] <SiDi> i spoke to a chicken
[00:10] <SiDi> and killed a giant turtle
[00:10] <SiDi> i love this game
[00:11] <SiDi> hola spg76 !
[00:12] <spg76> Hola.
[00:12]  * _MMA_ waves
[00:12] <SiDi> wow when did _MMA_ enter ? :
[00:12] <knome> SiDi, he backspaced
[00:12] <_MMA_> buenos noches
[00:12] <_MMA_> SiDi: 'bout 2hrs ago.
[00:13] <knome> damn, i lost my messenger connectivity
[00:14] <_MMA_> spg76: As I work alot during the week, Im more active here on the weekend.
[00:14] <knome> "work", what's that
[00:15] <_MMA_> Something that gets the the $ I need for my triple monitor setup. (and a Wii for the kids) ;)
[00:15] <spg76> _MMA_: I'll try to join the channel more often from now on.
[00:15] <knome> ;))
[00:15] <spg76> That includes weekends.
[00:15] <_MMA_> spg76: That would be great. Especially when we're working on some art and just need qyich questions answered.
[00:17] <spg76> _MMA_, Yeah, that's true. Sometimes a mail to the list for some little feedback it's too much :)
[00:21] <_MMA_> :)
[00:23] <spg76> _MMA_: Are we open the wiki page for submissions? Or do you have to make some cleanup?
[00:39] <_MMA_> spg76: Open? yes. I'd /like/ the submissions to focus on the areas I outlined in the email.
[00:39] <_MMA_> But, generally, it's open.
[00:39] <spg76> OK.
[00:40] <spg76> _MMA_: One more thing.
[00:40] <spg76> Do you received the files that I sent you a few days ago?
[00:41] <_MMA_> spg76: Yes. I just haven't uploaded them to BZR.
[00:42] <_MMA_> spg76: I think you are at the point artistically that you should have full BZR access. You would just have to learn a bit about it.
[00:45] <spg76> _MMA_: Well, I'm willing to do it now :) Just let me know what I have to do and how should be the process and I'll do what I can.
[00:46] <_MMA_> spg76: Lest get together next weekend and do a little teaching session. Ok?
[00:46] <_MMA_> *let's
[00:49] <spg76> _MMA_: OK.
[00:49] <_MMA_> spg76: Ill also try to find the time to write you up a step-by-step guide before I leave for my mini-trip this weekend. Something to play with.
[00:50] <_MMA_> For now, I gotta run. Later guys.
[00:50] <spg76> _MMA_ That would be great. Thanks.
[08:45] <macvr> SiDi: hi...
[08:45] <SiDi> hellow
[08:45] <SiDi> whats up ?
[08:45] <macvr> slept off yday...!
[08:46] <macvr> how come u didnt maintain the the flash throught the icons?
[08:46] <macvr> through out
[08:47] <macvr> SiDi: was it a conscious effort or did u miss the difference in the flash ?
[08:47] <SiDi> the flash ?
[08:48] <SiDi> err, what did i miss exactly ? :d
[08:48] <macvr> i had duplicated the flash, thats what made it a bit crisp...
[08:49] <SiDi> oh
[08:49] <macvr> u'll notice the difference if u just look at the 100 and the 90%
[08:49] <SiDi> i see now
[08:49] <SiDi> well, tell me next time XD
[08:49] <macvr> i was sleepy, thats y i couldnt even complete sentences!
[08:50] <SiDi> hehe
[08:50] <SiDi> Well, it'll stay like that for now
[08:50] <SiDi> i sent the file to ayatana already xD
[08:50] <macvr> thats where i noticed:P
[09:07] <macvr> SiDi: i had done the flash, just in case u wanted it, grab it from>>> http://filebin.ca/ebkues/correctedflash.tar <<< have a nice day...
[09:07] <SiDi> the flash i took it out of the svg :p
[09:07] <SiDi> oh, all the icons
[09:08] <macvr> SiDi: the flash i took it out of the svg??
[09:08] <SiDi> i thought you sent me the little flash image apart
[09:08] <SiDi> i understood what you said now, thanks :]
[09:08] <SiDi> i'll put them in 0.6
[09:09] <macvr> SiDi: i noticed it only from ayatana mailing, so wanted to warn u before someone found it ! ya u can change it for next version...
[09:10] <SiDi> anyways i'll wait for feedback from the ayatana people
[09:10] <kwwii> SiDi: btw, it is normally not good to cross post to two mailing lists
[09:10] <SiDi> ill probably have something to change
[09:10] <SiDi> kwwii, aw
[09:10] <SiDi> why that? :P
[09:15] <kwwii> well, it simply gets confusing what was said where
[09:16] <SiDi> true
[09:16] <kwwii> but anyway, none of my team members have been around long enough to know about netiquette in mailing lists
[09:16] <SiDi> sorry :p
[09:16] <kwwii> no worries
[09:16] <SiDi> kwwii, the way you said that is scary. Does it mean you eat people who work with you ? :|
[09:19] <thorwil> kwwii, what, you didn't teach them netiquette with a cane!?
[09:19]  * SiDi doesn't like étiquettes anyway. :(
[09:21] <thorwil> SiDi, you don't like if everyone quotes in the same way, for example?
[09:21] <SiDi> No, of course.
[09:22] <SiDi> Well done stuff, correct behaviour, blah :P
[11:00] <shadeslayer> is there a app which can increase resolution without reducing quality??
[11:04] <thorwil> shadeslayer, i know that there are commercial tools, but i'm not aware of a free solution
[11:04] <shadeslayer> thorwil: um anything like a website ??
[11:05] <shadeslayer> something which can do the above??
[11:05] <thorwil> shadeslayer, sorry, don't recall any names, so i'd have to google just like you do ;)
[11:05] <shadeslayer> okies
[11:12] <kwwii> there is little or no way to decently scale a picture up (by very much) without losign quality
[11:12] <kwwii> losing
[11:14] <shadeslayer> bah..
[11:15] <shadeslayer> thanks anyways
[18:04]  * SiDi will create a launchpad group for the protection of icons that are threatened of disappearing !
[18:06] <knome> SiDi, like... what?
[18:06] <SiDi> the breathe folder icon ! :(
[18:06] <knome> don't know it :P
[18:09] <macvr> knome: hi, are u making any icons for the panels?
[18:10] <knome> macvr, not really.
[18:10] <knome> macvr, SiDi always talks whatever ;)
[18:10] <macvr> :)
[18:10] <SiDi> meh
[18:10] <SiDi> knome im sad
[18:10] <SiDi> no more barcelona :(
[18:10] <knome> SiDi, heh
[18:10] <SiDi> gotta go back home cause these *** that manage my appartment told me i cant keep it next year :@
[18:11] <macvr> SiDi: u went for half a day and u miss it?!!!
[18:11] <SiDi> i gotta phone them now, and cant from spain x_x
[18:11] <SiDi> macvr, i went for a day and a half actually
[18:11] <SiDi> and for the ending party :D
[18:11] <SiDi> and now ive been here a good week, taking holidays ;)
[18:11] <macvr> oh... still hung over , couldnt find way back :P
[18:13] <macvr> knome: i dont understand kwwii's idea of not having colors for the icons in the panel, and not being able to use white for the nm icons? hat is the direction ubuntu is going actually?
[18:13] <macvr> anyinfo?
[18:13] <macvr> what^
[18:14] <knome> no, i don't know about the ubuntu general direction
[18:14] <macvr> ok... thanx
[18:18] <SiDi> mat_t, hope your computer had a good night
[18:18] <SiDi> knome works on Xubuntu
[18:19] <SiDi> but its the same
[18:19] <SiDi> you're only allowed to use blue
[18:19] <SiDi> and it has to be blue that fits well with other blue
[18:19] <SiDi> and it has to have a moustache too
[18:20] <knome> haha
[18:20] <macvr> blue! meh
[18:20] <macvr> blue=m$ :P
[18:20] <SiDi> no
[18:20] <SiDi> blue = xubuntu
[18:21] <SiDi> they copied us
[18:21] <knome> ms blue is different from the xubuntu blue
[18:21] <SiDi> theirs doesnt have a moustache
[18:22] <knome> macvr, http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/the-prettiest-of-the-buntus-is-coming/ <- if that reminds you of ms...
[18:23] <macvr> knome: nope... :)
[18:23] <SiDi> funny btw how people calls us the pretiest of all *buntus :d
[18:24] <macvr> isnt kubuntu also blue?
[18:24] <knome> macvr, yes, but it's a different blue altogether
[18:25] <knome> SiDi, that's totally funny. especially when it's vinnl calling us that ;)
[18:25] <macvr> damn mint! else green would have been fun
[18:26] <SiDi> knome, i noticed people not from xubuntu were calling us that way
[18:26] <SiDi> we have to make it a moto imo :d
[18:26] <knome> o.o?
[18:26] <knome> hah
[18:26] <macvr> just realized , even apple is blue! :P
[18:26] <SiDi> yeh but they got those damn scrollbars with the most horrible ever gradient
[18:26] <SiDi> and just cause some ads said "hey this is cool"
[18:26] <SiDi> people think mac Os is stylish
[18:27] <knome> people think that white plastic is stylish
[18:27] <knome> ;P
[18:27] <macvr> everyone is blue but ubuntu! why is that?!
[18:27] <SiDi> cause they couldnt challenge knome
[18:27] <SiDi> :D
[18:27] <knome> there is no reason why we could not be somthing else.
[18:28] <macvr> plastic is out of fashion, its just apple trying to keep it hep!
[18:28] <knome> need to eat ->
[18:28] <macvr> why could u be something else?^
[18:29] <knome> there is nobody restricting us
[18:29] <SiDi> have a nice meal knome
[18:29] <macvr> ha
[18:29] <knome> mark shuttleworth doesn't come saying "you have to be pink" to use
[18:29] <knome> *us
[18:29] <SiDi> macvr, knome cares about us having our own identity, and hes totally right on this
[18:29] <knome> nor blue ;)
[18:29] <SiDi> pink ? hmm
[18:29] <SiDi> other crazy ideas in my mind
[18:29] <knome> Myrtti would like to see that :P
[18:29] <knome> ok, now ->
[18:29] <knome> bbl
[18:29] <SiDi> (im the guy who ruins all the seriousness of knome by proposing completely stupid artwork ideas)
[18:31] <macvr> SiDi: does knome also work in ubuntu/xubuntu?
[18:31] <SiDi> he works only in xubuntu
[18:32] <macvr> SiDi: any links for his artwork? the panel icons he has created, u were referring to ?
[18:32] <SiDi> this was a joke macvr :p
[18:32] <SiDi> hes done the default xubuntu wallpaper / gdm
[18:32] <macvr> ah!
[18:32] <SiDi> hes working on a theme now
[18:32] <SiDi> i was meant to work on the usplash but it got... delayed. :D
[18:43] <macvr> SiDi: http://imagebin.ca/view/GhfvCsf.html < how do devs make the icon at the small px?
[18:44] <macvr> i'm just not able to get a crisp circle icon as a nm bar!
[18:58] <SiDi> its pixelart ! :D
[18:58] <SiDi> draw pixel / pixel
[19:18] <macvr> SiDi: i tried that but circles, arcs are tough to get crisp enough for production :/
[19:18] <SiDi> heh
[19:18] <SiDi> thats true ;)
[19:19] <macvr> have u tried karmic?
[19:26] <SiDi> yeh
[19:26] <SiDi> but i didnt boot on it much
[21:54] <_MMA_> kwwii: So you think Andrew's folder submission is better than current or what?
[22:15] <SiDi> _MMA_, i find it bad at little resolutions :/
[22:15] <SiDi> looks almost circular on the bottom
[22:15]  * SiDi prefers the shape of the current icon :p
[23:17] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah, it is pretty good
[23:18] <kwwii> I really like the ideas he has shown
[23:18] <kwwii> it works pretty well at smaller sizes but could use some more simplification
[23:18] <_MMA_> kwwii: Well It's mostly derivative. I don't see anything new. Kinda the point. :)
[23:19] <_MMA_> But generally, yeah. Best new one to come along. Good bash-up
[23:19] <_MMA_> *mash-up
[23:19] <kwwii> things could still improve but it is pretty nice
[23:20] <kwwii> anyway, I am officialy on vacation as of 20min until the 14th
[23:20] <kwwii> but I will still be around
[23:20] <kwwii> I guess we can go ahead with the meeting
[23:20] <kwwii> but it will suck without everyone
[23:20] <kwwii> :(
[23:21] <_MMA_> Sure. Im driving home this weekend. Will be well away from a PC.
[23:21] <kwwii> monday night my band is playing :)
[23:21] <_MMA_> \m/
[23:21] <kwwii> and from what I have heard of the main act we are better :p
[23:21] <_MMA_> hahahah Killer. :)
[23:23] <kwwii> well, they have some deal in which they have to have 100 paying guests or else they have to pay for rent...@3€ per head
[23:23] <kwwii> I was thinking that on Monday night I would be lucky to play to 30 people
[23:24] <kwwii> I get the feeling that they are going to fill the place up with friends and hope not to have to pay :p
[23:24] <_MMA_> Can often be the way.
[23:25] <kwwii> well, we are going to kick their ass
[23:25] <kwwii> they were all begging to use our equipment
[23:26] <kwwii> my bass players ampeg head and cabinet is almost as old as I am :)
[23:26] <_MMA_> kwwii: Oh. No. Bad form. And they are the headliners?
[23:26] <kwwii> yepp
[23:27] <_MMA_> pfftt
[23:27] <kwwii> we headline on 1.8 at festival with 4 bands
[23:27] <kwwii> playing 3rd
[23:27] <kwwii> I am guessing that monday night will be telling
[23:27] <kwwii> if they hate us we know what to work on :p
[23:28] <kwwii> the first of august will be cool, it is at a sort of commune of hippy students in the middle of conservative catholic bavaria
[23:28] <_MMA_> kwwii: Nice. :)
[23:28] <kwwii> there are people camping out with kids, etc
[23:29] <_MMA_> kwwii: Try to get some soundboards.
[23:29] <_MMA_> Or even video.
[23:29] <kwwii> well, if we ever get our new stuff mixed we can start out myspace page
[23:30] <kwwii> my bass player stopped me on the street today to play a song we recorded the other day
[23:30] <_MMA_> cool
[23:30] <kwwii> we have everything on disk...just a matter of getting it mixed
[23:30] <kwwii> anyway
[23:30] <_MMA_> kwwii: I got to go to the studio last week. Lots of fun.
[23:31] <kwwii> killer
[23:44] <kwwii> time for sleep
[23:44] <kwwii> see you
[23:44] <SiDi> and why no concert at uds then kwwii ? :O
[23:44] <_MMA_> Yeah. I hear Prague was the best for that.
[23:44] <_MMA_> (best one)


[18:56] <ysteins> I translated the Ubuntu installer to Norwegian Nynorsk in August, but many of my translations were not merged into Cosmic. I also see that they have not been merged into Disco (booted a live image and checked). Is there an extra step involved that I have missed? My translations are all set to 'current', see for instance https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/cosmic/+source/ubiquity/+pots/ubiquity-debconf/nn/+translate


[01:08] <danzarov> out of curiosity, about that "Format for 'users' key must be a comma separated string or a dictionary or a list and not NoneType" you got when using the "set list" powersj. I discovered a way to make it works
[01:09] <danzarov> since i have this variable called usernamelist that comes from terraform as a string
[01:09] <danzarov> i just do this:
[01:09] <danzarov> {% set list1 = "${usernamelist}".split(',') %}
[01:09] <danzarov> then i can iterate just like we were doing
[01:09] <danzarov> {% for name in list1 %}
[01:09] <danzarov> :D


[12:03] <slickymaster-job> belkinsa, I've done some more work on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/TeamWikiPageBrainstorm
[12:03] <jenni> [ NewDocs/TeamWikiPageBrainstorm - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1lKpqz0
[12:03] <slickymaster-job> belkinsa, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/HomePage is created and roughly drafted
[12:03] <jenni> [ NewDocs/HomePage - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1bNd5nf
[15:10] <belkinsa> slickymaster (or slickymaster-job), ping
[15:14] <slickymaster-job> belkinsa: pong
[15:15] <belkinsa> Sorry for not making the wiki pages and I can work on the menu header today if you want.
[15:16] <slickymaster-job> great, will you need, or are you thinking, of using the NewDocs icons for the header section?
[15:17] <belkinsa> Sure, I think it's needed and I think I will base the header object of the one that the Doc team uses.
[15:17] <slickymaster-job> ok, I can I upload them to you?
[15:17] <slickymaster-job> by mail?
[15:17] <belkinsa> Sure.
[15:17] <belkinsa> Upload
[15:18] <slickymaster-job> do you have a server or webpage to where I can upload them?
[15:18] <belkinsa> I do.  I guess e-mail might be better.
[15:19] <slickymaster-job> what's the email?
[15:19] <belkinsa><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:20] <slickymaster-job> sent
[15:20] <slickymaster-job> another thing, I don't think I understood what did you mean about the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/HomePage
[15:20] <jenni> [ NewDocs/HomePage - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1bNd5nf
[15:21] <belkinsa> About the UF link?
[15:21] <belkinsa> See the e-mail that I sent you, the reply.  I just simply can't read.
[15:22] <belkinsa> And I recived that icons e-mail.
[15:24] <slickymaster-job> what can't you read?
[15:24] <belkinsa> It means that I overlooked the rest of the text
[15:25] <slickymaster-job> hmmm,
[15:25] <slickymaster-job> so you think that the link for the UF should be dropped in that paragraph, right?
[15:26] <belkinsa> Methinks.
[15:27] <slickymaster-job> ok, removed
[15:46] <belkinsa> Also, there is a to attach images to pages.
[15:49] <slickymaster-job> ahn?
[15:49] <belkinsa> Next to Edit and Page Info, there is Attachments'\
[15:49] <belkinsa> -'/
[15:49] <slickymaster-job> yeah, I know
[15:50] <belkinsa> Gotcha.
[15:50] <belkinsa> And I attached all three that you cent me
[15:50] <belkinsa> sent*
[15:50] <belkinsa> s/cent/sent
[15:50] <jenni> belkinsa meant to say: And I attached all three that you sent me
[15:51] <slickymaster-job> yeah, I saw that
[15:51] <belkinsa> Do you know how to get the images to show though?
[15:59] <slickymaster-job> belkinsa: it's done. Thake a look at it now: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/Icons
[15:59] <jenni> [ NewDocs/Icons - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1fTD2Rd
[15:59] <belkinsa> Thanks
[16:00] <slickymaster-job> another thing belkinsa, maybe it would be for the best to add teh CategoryDocumentation tag on the teams' pages
[16:00] <belkinsa> It would.
[16:01] <slickymaster-job> can you do it?
[16:02] <belkinsa> Sure.  But later today.  It's hard for to multittask at this moment
[16:02] <slickymaster-job> np


[00:05] <Noboru55> hello
[00:05] <Noboru55> look https://imgur.com/a/fFAXMWY
[00:06] <Noboru55> can i edit the "Lxqt Settings" ?
[00:06] <Noboru55> almost perfect
[00:08] <Noboru55> sudo nano /usr/share/applications/lxqt-config-input.desktop There is no option for [Br]  so it's showed to me like [Pt]
[00:14] <Noboru55> solved
[00:14] <Noboru55> i just wanted to know how to edit the name of lxqt settings
[00:37] <Noboru55> oh my gosh
[00:37] <Noboru55> sudo apt install language-pack-gnome-pt language-pack-gnome-pt-base
[00:38] <Noboru55> now gimp and firefox in my language...
[00:38] <Noboru55> it could be installed when i chosse my language in installation
[00:55] <Noboru55> hello i am back
[00:57] <Noboru55> how can i edit "LXQt settings" in start menu > preferences (the first option)
[01:18] <wxl> Noboru55: see /etc/xdg/menus/lxqt-config.menu
[01:18] <wxl> errrr
[01:18] <wxl> it might also be /usr/share/desktop-directories/lxqt-settings.directory
[01:26] <Noboru55> thank you
[01:31] <Noboru55> wxl the seccond option worked...
[01:31] <Noboru55> now its translated all to my language, and the other apps, the gtk package solved
 How to make shortcut to desktop?
 (Photo, 800x450) https://i.imgur.com/1Dpq3d8.jpg
 @QDrive [<reply to image>], Im try copy drag drop but stuck on process
[05:39] <diogenes_> QDrive, try with terminal.
 What the hell, my system pending process after few minutes file manager open multi tab, multi create copy firefox to desktop … 😆
 @diogenes_ [<diogenes_> QDrive, try with terminal.], Its working now
[16:19] <King57> Hey Everybody here
[16:20] <King57> I wanna know why installing lubuntu requires an internet connection
[16:21] <King57> I had Ubuntu installed on my old Dell d630 but it didnt perform so well
[16:22] <King57>  was really so slow
[16:31] <genii> That's a 13 year old machine


[00:06] <veebers> thumper: having "http-proxy:..." set in config.yaml passed at bootstrap doesn't do the job :-\
[00:51] <thumper> veebers: may well be a bug
[01:12] <axw> wallyworld: you cut out?
[01:13] <wallyworld> axw: i'm here
[01:13] <axw> maybe it's me...
[02:35]  * babbageclunk goes for a run
[03:45] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i've now moved the Consume() API back; there was a fair bit of rework for the mocks, but it means more unit tests rather than full stack tests
[03:51] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: nice - I'll take another look
[03:59] <jam> morning all
[04:03] <anastasiamac> jam: o/
[04:25] <veebers> thumper: who would be good to ask about my proxy issue? It seems it can see enough to query the stream to see there is an agent, but when it comes to the curl it fails there
[04:35] <veebers> babbageclunk: I seem to recall that you did some proxy work in the past? If true do you have a couple of moments?
[04:43] <babbageclunk> veebers: yeah, sure
[04:43] <babbageclunk> veebers: want to hangout?
[04:44] <veebers> babbageclunk: sweet, firing up one now
[04:45] <babbageclunk> veebers: where/
[04:45] <babbageclunk> ?
[04:46] <veebers> babbageclunk: heh sorry had pm-ed url. http://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/veeb-clunk
[21:53] <wpk> rogpeppe: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7414
[22:04] <thumper> wpk: not sure rogpeppe is online to review
[22:04] <thumper> but looks ok to me
[22:14] <rogpeppe> wpk: i'll take a look tomorrow morning