[00:25]  * flyback bbl
[03:07] <overrider> is there a way i can configure my nvidia card laptop & large dvi connected monitor so that when i am starting up with the monitor connected, the laptop display truly and completely is off / sleeps? all apps have to start on the secondary monitor. is that possible? thanks
[03:09] <eca> i removed gdm, when i boot i have to ctrl alt f6, then login, then startx. how can i set it up so that it goes straight to command line login?
[03:51]  * flyback feels like he is about to have a stroke
[03:51] <zoredache> call the doctor?
[04:04]  * flyback bbl
[06:24] <evilbug> how can i change the order of autostarted apps?
[09:04]  * vussvillem is trying /me
[09:15] <kingmilo> Hi All. Im about to install Xubuntu, the reason i am using it as apposed to ubuntu is that i have read it is a bit quicker, not so resource intensive. Im looking to get the best performance i can out of my desktop, minimal is better for me. Does anyone know if during the installation i can select the packages i want installed instead of having a bloated installation? - thanks.
[09:28] <zoredache> kingmilo: you will get most things by default.  You could use the expert install, or do a cli install but it is probably easier to just install and remove what you down't need
[09:30] <kingmilo> thanks.
[11:29] <overrider> hello, i have a asus laptop with nvidia card; i daily connect an external dvi monitor to my laptop. is it possible to configure xubuntu in a way so that when i connect my external screen, ONLY the external screen is used, and the laptop display itself is powered off, or at least not in use at all? thank you for any suggestions
[11:29] <knome> overrider, have you tried nvidia-settings
[11:32] <overrider> knome: hey, yes i have played. the best i could do until now is to have two displays working at the same time, external is primary display, but still some things show up on the laptop display, some icons from desktop, and also some apps are started on laptop display, especially when my mouse pointer by accident slipped over to the laptop screen.
[11:33] <overrider> what i really would like is not to have the external and internal display work together, but basically seperate. once the big monitor is connected, i really dont need to have the laptop monitor on or in use at all
[11:34] <knome> overrider, you can add a mode where the laptop monitor is turned off
[11:35] <overrider> knome: ok so its all in nvidia-settings? or do i have to manually get down to my xorg.conf?
[11:35] <knome> overrider, it's in nvidia-settings
[11:36] <overrider> knome: ok thanks then, ill keep trying
[11:37] <knome> overrider, at least there used to be a setting like that
[11:37] <knome> overrider, does nvidia-settings recognise your monitor?
[11:39] <overrider> knome: yes it does. also most things in there work fine, eg. rearranging order of screens and stuff. i just read maybe try to start with laptop lid closed, though i am not sure yet (if it works at all), if that is a good idea heatwise... anyhow ill keep playing
[11:40] <knome> overrider, ok, hope you'll get it sorted out
[11:40] <overrider> really want only ext monitor to work, mainly really due to real eastate on the desk, too many screens
[11:40] <knome> hah, there is never too many screens ;)
[11:40] <overrider> he
[11:54] <knome> eh
[11:55] <knome> 70meg pdf...
[11:55] <knome> nice
[11:55] <knome> anybody wants that with bcc in email? :P
[13:44] <DaveKong> How does one make it so one hard disk boots Windows and the other Xubuntu?
[13:45] <DaveKong> Can I put windows on one disk and both a 32bit and 64bit xubuntu one the other or all on one and if two xubuntu installs are on a disk can they use the same swap partition?
[14:21] <mkan> hello. I installed Xubuntu 8.04 and whenever i bring up a networking interface (upon doing the route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>) every application that displays graphical content freezes: firefox, even gnomine!! (terminal and other simple applications, or even vlc draw correctly)
[14:21] <mkan> what could be the problem?
[14:22] <mkan> i may be lacking some packages because i did a pretty "small" install, not installing packages i would not need
[14:25] <mkan> any clues? the problem is similar(maybe the same) to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=840686 but that dude has obviously got some obsession with trojans and conspiracy theories
[14:50] <lunartic> hello all
[14:50] <lunartic> I'm looking for a gui for fsck.  Can you give me some suggestions?
[15:10] <knome> lunartic, search synaptic :P
[15:11]  * gnomefreak didnt find oue
[15:11] <gnomefreak> one
[15:15] <knome> then there isn't one on the ubuntu repositories
[15:15] <knome> anyway i don't know why one would want a gui for fsck
[15:20] <lunartic> knome: curiousity
[15:21] <knome> curiosity killed the cat.
[15:21] <lunartic> and my hard drive :p
[15:45] <mkan> fixed by installing libpng12-0/intrepid
[16:06] <vussvillem> I have a Xfce desktop wallpaper problem. I guess it's Ubuntu specific
[16:06] <vussvillem> every time when I startup my laptop, 4/5 left-right part of my custom desktop picture is covered by Xubuntu default desktop picture. I have no idea, why
[16:06] <vussvillem> when I deleted the Xubuntu 8.04 default desktop picture from my system - the 4/5 left-right part of my custom desktop picture is covered with blue rectangle :)
[16:09] <vussvillem> http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=7878533&size=o&album_id=127405
[16:10] <htetrasme> Anyone around?
[16:10] <htetrasme> I have a question.
[16:11] <knome> just ask
[16:12] <htetrasme> Thanks -- I booted my install and for some reason the taskbar and menu bar don't show up.
[16:12] <htetrasme> Anyone know how to correct this?
[16:12] <bytor4232> htetrasme: hit alt-f2 and type in xfce4-panel
[16:13] <htetrasme> Works! Thanks a lot.
[16:14] <bytor4232> htetrasme: When looking for support on IRC its best to ask, and wait.  Most of us lurk while we work, it may take us a half hour or more to realize someone is looking for support.
[16:14] <bytor4232> htetrasme: And that goes for any IRC based support solution.  Its the same in most of the channels.
[16:15] <htetrasme> Sure -- no problem. It's the first time I'd looked for support on IRC.
[16:15] <htetrasme> It just seemed an odd problem; I didn't know how I would search for it!
[16:15] <bytor4232> htetrasme: Also, sometimes if noone responds, it means we don't know ;)
[16:16] <htetrasme> Ha! Very fair!
[16:16] <bytor4232> htetrasme: Thats a common problem with xfce and xubuntu.  It typically means you ran out of memory while booting.
[16:17] <htetrasme> Oh, OK. I had guessed that ,might be it but rebooting didn't help.
[16:18] <bytor4232> htetrasme: If you continue to have problems with the desktop iso, try the alternate iso.  Its text based, but still fairly easy to use.
[16:19] <htetrasme> Text based install, or UI you mean?
[16:20]  * vussvillem is continueing his own thing: I've filed a bug on my problem as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/275747
[16:20] <vussvillem> yap :D thats mine :D
[16:23] <vussvillem> Important thing, probably, is that when I point my custom desktop picture again and fix the problem, it is OK even when I restart X system (ctrl+alt+del). It only happens when I shut down and start up
[16:24] <vussvillem> But with laptop, shut down and startup are not so seldom events ;)
[16:25] <bytor4232> htetrasme: The alternate ISO is a text based installer that runs on very little ram.
[16:25] <htetrasme> Right; then that's what I think I used to install on the system in question.
[16:25] <bytor4232> htetrasme: Honestly, I don't use the desktop iso, also known as the live iso.  In fact, i don't install with Xubuntu at all, not even the alternate.
[16:27] <htetrasme> Thanks for your help all the same, hitting alt-f2 at startup is not the worst of chores.
[16:27] <bytor4232> htetrasme: I use the mini.iso located here:  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[16:28] <bytor4232> htetrasme: Its only 9 megs, when it boots I enter "cli" at the boot prompt.
[16:28] <bytor4232> htetrasme: After thats done, I reboot, log in, and run "apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[16:29] <bytor4232> htetrasme: In fact, at my house, I don't even use the mini.iso, I boot over the network from my server using the netboot.tar.gz
[16:29] <htetrasme> Hmm... I think I will do that on my next install...
[16:29] <Hillshum_> How do I change the default word processor?
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Hillshum_: right-click on a text document and click Open with...
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Pick the app you want to default to and it will change the default for all docs of that type
[16:47] <Malone> !lowmem
[16:52] <Malone> guys how do i make it so when i boot i only login to a CLI and then from there type a command if i want to use xfce?
[16:53] <cody-somerville> Malone, you can disable gdm starting
[16:53] <cody-somerville> Malone, and then you can run startxfce4
[16:55] <DCPom> what does sticking a window do?
[16:55] <Malone> cody, ok! so to disable gdm starting do i change to failsafe terminal or?
[16:55] <cody-somerville> DCPom, Makes it visible on all your desktops
[16:55] <DCPom> ooh that's a neat trick, thans
[16:55] <DCPom> thanks*
[16:56] <cody-somerville> Malone, no, you use Applications > System > Services
[16:57] <Malone> cody-somerville: ok.. should i disable the "load gnome blah blah" setting?
[16:57] <cody-somerville> disable gdm
[16:57] <cody-somerville> "Graphical Login Manager"
[17:00] <Malone> cody-somerville: do i need apport enabled?
[17:00] <Malone> totally unrelated but yeh
[17:11] <Malone> cody-somerville: its normal to haveto sudo start xfce?
[17:12] <cody-somerville> If the x server isn't running, yes.
[17:12] <TheSheep> no, you should never start xfce with sudo
[17:12] <Malone> cody-somerville: but like it will work just the same as before this way yea?
[17:13] <Malone> asin ill lose no functionability to X right?
[17:13] <cody-somerville> TheSheep, X has to run as root
[17:13] <cody-somerville> Malone, No
[17:13] <cody-somerville> Malone, you'll loose the functionality provided by a login manager
[17:13] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: it's suid-ed, it will run as root anyways, but not the rest of xfce
[17:14] <Malone> cody-somerville: is a login manager needed for ssh server?
[17:14] <cody-somerville> Malone, no
[17:14] <Malone> k
[17:14] <cody-somerville> TheSheep, oh, okay.
[17:14] <TheSheep> Malone: and it doesn't need xfce either
[17:14] <Malone> ...so what do i do then TheSheep ?
[17:15] <cody-somerville> Malone, that would require us knowing what you *want* to do? :P
[17:16] <Malone> be able to use a gui the same as i did before but without using  a GDM..
[17:17] <TheSheep> Malone: why you don't want gdm?
[17:17] <Malone> because i was reading !lowmem and it says removing it helps
[17:17] <Malone> very old pc
[17:17] <zoredache> so you have a command line, and you want to start the gui?  Is startxfce4 perhaps the command your looking for?
[17:17] <Malone> oh 4
[17:17] <Malone> i didnt add that
[17:17] <TheSheep> and without sudo
[17:18] <Malone> ok thx ill try that!
[17:23] <Malone> worked ! :)
[17:24] <Malone> but for some reason it seems im using more RAM then before :<
[17:24] <Malone> and less swap
[17:25] <Malone> im trying to make a shortcut to terminal whats the command to open one pls?
[17:25] <Malone> eg in ubuntu its gnome-terminal
[17:25] <Malone> xfce-terminal ? :D
[17:26] <Malone> where'd u all go :x
[17:28] <zoredache> xfce4-terminal
[17:28] <Malone> thx zoredache
[17:31] <cody-somerville> Malone, you want it using more ram and less swap
[17:32] <cody-somerville> Malone, you always want as much ram being used as possible because it is so so so much faster than if it gets swapped.
[17:32] <zoredache> cody-somerville: I think his problem is that it is using all the ram, and then some swap...
[17:33] <cody-somerville> Whats wrong with that?
[17:34] <zoredache> the computer gets painfully slow when you don't have enough ram, and you are running from swap?
[17:38] <Malone> yea it seems better tho.. like when i boot its using 90/120 ram and 50/300 swap and with irssi and firefox open im using 82/128  105-300
[17:39] <Malone> fells better than before
[17:39] <Malone> before id be using 150 + on swap and 10-20 more on ram
[17:39] <Malone> fells = feels
[17:43] <zoredache> it won't be as great of a web experience, but you might want to try an alternate browser.  For example midori seems faster then firefox...
[17:50] <Malone> ive disabled font anti aliasing and a few other things,running firefox with 3 tabs open atm no worries :D
[18:13] <Malone> exit
[18:31] <bioterror> evening
[18:39] <zelhar> Hello, I am running x64 Xubuntu  and unable to use the ATI drivers and so unable to use widescreen resolution. My system is: Q6600, sapphire HD3650, P5Q-pro, 4GBDDR2-800. Oddly enough OpenSUSE works fine without any configuration changes
[18:47] <bioterror> small problem. i noticed that xubuntu is missing application menu with turkish language settings
[18:48] <knome> bioterror, but you still can add it?
[18:48] <bioterror> there is that menu, but its empty
[18:49] <knome> aha
[18:49] <bioterror> theres 5months old bug report on launchpad about that
[18:49] <knome> >__<
[18:49] <knome> cody-somerville, ^
[18:50] <cody-somerville> bug #?
[18:50] <knome> i hope that will be addressed before 8.10.
[18:50] <bioterror> ill give it to you soon
[18:50] <bioterror> using communicator atm.
[18:51] <knome> bug 210773
[18:51] <knome> is it that?
[18:51] <bioterror> y
[18:51] <zoredache> Someone should test to see if the bug is still present in the recent daily perhaps?
[18:52] <bioterror> yes it is ;)
[18:53] <cody-somerville> It says fixed in Intrepid
[18:53] <bioterror> hmmm...
[18:53] <knome> but it still is present in daily build?
[18:54] <bioterror> should i upgrade my mother in laws hardy ti intrepid?
[18:54] <bioterror> to
[18:55] <zoredache> probably not yet
[19:01] <bioterror> well, father in law just have to deal with finnish then ;)
[19:02] <knome> o.O
[19:02] <knome> what's wrong with finnish
[19:02] <bioterror> nothing, but it's not his mother language ;)
[19:02] <knome> k
[19:02] <knome> fathers usually are not mothers
[19:03] <knome> eh eh ;)
[19:03] <bioterror> thoho
[19:30] <zoredache> so xfdesktop has started using 100% of my cpu, is there any trick to figure out what it is actually doing?
[19:57] <bioterror> if I don't have a .confi/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml, where this xfce reads the menu config?
[19:57] <bioterror> config even
[19:57] <bioterror> and where can I change it
[20:35] <ron_o> if you've tried everything,every kind of *kill* command, and some process won't end, the only way to end it is a restart, right?
[20:35] <knome> ron_o, kill -s kill [pid]
[20:35] <ron_o> mplayer has started and it won't end after I played a video last night.
[20:35] <ron_o> ok.
[20:36] <ron_o> that did it. I
[20:36] <ron_o> I'll write that down. :)
[20:36] <knome> yeah, np
[21:03] <thinkmassive> I just updated ~/.profile   how can I have the settings applied immediately?
[21:03] <thinkmassive> whoa, nevermind, I figured it out as soon as I posted the question (figures...)
[21:07] <thinkmassive> it seems I spoke to soon, the changes are lost when I close the terminal window
[21:07] <thinkmassive> any way to make it persistent without logging out?
[21:50] <S-i-A> hi
[21:50] <S-i-A> how can i disable default keyring?
[21:50] <S-i-A> make me crazy :)
[21:51] <S-i-A> every time must i enter the password to connect Wireless
[21:54] <albert> 3
[21:54] <S-i-A> hi again
[21:55] <S-i-A> any soulution for default keyring!??
[21:56] <S-i-A> any idea?
[21:57] <knome> S-i-A, set the password to none
[21:57] <knome> S-i-A, = remove the password
[21:57] <S-i-A> how?
[21:57] <S-i-A> knome:
[21:59] <knome> can't remember how that's donwe
[21:59] <knome> *done
[21:59] <knome> sudo apt-get install gnome-keyring-manager
[21:59] <knome> and run that
[22:00] <S-i-A> knome: if you can't remember, dont answer ;)
[22:00] <knome> you should be able to unset password
[22:00] <S-i-A> and that is not a solution
[22:00] <knome> S-i-A, duh, so it's better that you don't get an answer at all?
[22:00] <knome> why is it not a solution?
[22:00] <S-i-A> because isn't answer
[22:01] <albert> S-i-A, I just messed with it in different configurations till it worked, and then left it.
[22:01] <S-i-A> gnome keyring install just make boolshit
[22:01] <knome> whatever...
[22:01] <albert> I did have that problem initially,. and still do occasionally on other networks
[22:03] <albert> I would suggest going to setting>settings manager> auto start apps... make sure it is there.
[22:04] <albert> Wi-Fi radar was also part of my solution.
[22:04] <S-i-A> albert: in autostart is just the networkmanager
[22:05] <S-i-A> i cant remove it becuase i need it
[22:05] <albert> No don't remove it
[22:05] <S-i-A> for wireless contacting
[22:05] <albert> just make sure it is there,...
[22:06] <S-i-A> isn't there
[22:06] <albert> go to add/remove programs and get wi fi radar
[22:07] <albert> applications>system>add/remove programs
[22:07] <S-i-A> iam not newb
[22:07] <S-i-A> inow search for aplication without GUI ;)
[22:07] <S-i-A> ok thanx
[22:08] <albert> sorry I am this is my first time here. I can trouble shoot though, and that is how i fixed the problem when i had it.


[03:28] <ubot4> HFSPLUS called the ops in #ubuntu-uk ()
[19:13] <Nafallo_> hmm. are people actually allowed to login as 'ubuntu' ?
[19:13] <Nafallo_> we have one in -se right now.
[19:14] <Nafallo_> I had assumed the nick would be registered + nick-protected by the irc council?
[19:14] <m4v> is the nick used normally by the livecd
[19:14] <Pici> Its registered, but we don't have enforce set.
[19:14]  * Nafallo_ doesn't actually know what happens with a nick when enforce /is/ set :-)
[19:15] <Pici> Nafallo_: freenode forces a nick change, thats where all those Guest###### nicks come from.
[19:15] <Nafallo> hmm. that sounds better than letting people use 'ubuntu' no? :-)
[19:17] <Nafallo> maybe I'm just paranoid...
[19:18] <m4v> people aren't using it, at least not by choice, is the default nick picked when you join irc from the livecd, the nick should be changed in the livecd
[19:19] <Nafallo> I agree with that.
[19:19] <Pici> But then it would need to be randomized for each CD
[19:20] <nalioth> the use of the ubuntu nick isn't causing any issues
[19:20] <jpds> Nafallo: /nick = pwgen --no-vowels -1  ?
[19:20] <Nafallo> jpds: :-D
[19:25] <Pici> nalioth: Er, I agree. I don't think it really should be changed.


[08:48] <tsdgeos> greyback_: ping ?
[08:49] <greyback_> tsdgeos: pong
[08:49] <tsdgeos> greyback_: Saviq: want to have a quick chat of where to put the screenshot save to disk thing?
[08:49] <greyback_> tsdgeos: sure
[08:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, you too ↑
[08:52] <Saviq> tsdgeos, greyback_, mzanetti, shout when time good
[08:52] <mzanetti> *shout*
[08:53] <tsdgeos> fine for me
[08:53] <tsdgeos> mumble? hout?
[08:54] <mzanetti> I'd hangout rather than mumble for discussion. the others didn't shout yet though
[08:56] <greyback_> I'm ready whenever
[08:56] <Saviq> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/saviq
[08:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, tsdgeos, greyback_ ↑
[09:15] <Saviq> mzanetti, you there?
[09:32] <Saviq> /food
[10:13] <tsdgeos> greyback_: mzanetti: should putting an app on the "backround" on the phone set it to suspended in the app manager?
[10:14] <greyback_> tsdgeos: define "background" in this context
[10:14] <tsdgeos> greyback_: not the foreground one :D
[10:14] <greyback_> as in, another app is in the foreground
[10:14] <tsdgeos> or the dash
[10:14] <tsdgeos> yes
[10:14] <greyback_> atm, is app is not focused (and not in the exceptions list), it is set to suspended
[10:15] <greyback_> if app....
[10:15] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[10:15] <tsdgeos> that's what i udnerstood
[10:15] <greyback_> how come?
[10:15] <tsdgeos> the model did not seem to reflect that though
[10:15] <tsdgeos> let me see why
[10:16] <greyback_> note, this close connection of focus with lifecycle is bad, leagcy of unity-mir days
[10:17] <tsdgeos> i'm confused now
[10:18] <tsdgeos> are you saying they should or should not set to suspended?
[10:21] <greyback_> tsdgeos: should
[10:21] <tsdgeos> ok
[10:28] <tsdgeos> greyback_: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/qtmir/fix_debug_line/+merge/256905
[10:30] <greyback_> tsdgeos: I'm surprised that used to compile. thanks
[10:30] <tsdgeos> , is nice
[10:30] <tsdgeos> will make almost everything compile
[10:30] <tsdgeos> :D
[10:30]  * greyback_ hugs C++
[10:48] <popey> would someone ( mzanetti / Saviq or someone else ) be around for the Community Team Q&A at 16:00 UTC for 1 hour to answer questions related to Unity8?
[11:05] <mzanetti> popey, I can
[11:26] <mhall119> \o/
[11:27] <mhall119> hey guys, I've got some UOS session proposals that need someone from this team to lead
[11:27] <mhall119> the list of proposes sessions is at http://pad.ubuntu.com/MQ01t50gLb
[11:27] <mhall119> the ones with [Unity] in front are the ones I need someone from here for
[11:28] <mhall119> kgunn: ^
[11:29] <Saviq> mhall119, what're the dates again?
[11:29] <mhall119> Saviq: May 5-7
[11:29] <mhall119> 1400 - 2000 UTC
[11:31] <Saviq> mhall119, we'll have a look
[11:31] <mhall119> thanks
[13:03] <Mirv> tsdgeos: (if you have time) what are your thought on the QDBus landing silo. upstream status, scheduling of the silo to land to vivid images.. so I ran all AP:s again during the weekend and they were alright (http://people.canonical.com/~tjyrinki/qt5/ap-2015-04-18-mako-175-silo-018/). also my account setup woes happened without the PPA too.
[13:03] <Mirv> tsdgeos: should we wait until the upstream branches for example land to the 5.5 branch, they still haven't seemingly to?
[13:04] <Mirv> tsdgeos: and then there's the KDE part. for the time being we have the overlay PPA, but the idea is that the PPA contents would be copied to w series when it opens, which poses a problem for landing if the KDE apps still get broken
[13:06] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i definitely would not land them before they land upstream
[13:06] <tsdgeos> it's a veeeeeeeery long patchset :D
[13:06] <tsdgeos> let's make sure we land stuff that is good
[13:06] <Mirv> tsdgeos: right, that was my thoughts too. I just thought to ask in case you think it's all flowers and butterflies.
[13:06] <tsdgeos> thiago told me he'll fix the issue with KUniqueApplication before landing
[13:07] <tsdgeos> but afaics it has not happened yet
[13:07] <Mirv> yes at least not with the latest patches (one of which was supposed to fix it)
[13:07] <tsdgeos> or we don't have all the patches, will take to him later when he wakes up
[13:07] <Mirv> thanks!
[14:06] <mterry> So I tried to use QtCreator the other day to create a new kit.  It failed during building the kit (and/because?) it unmounted my encrypted HOME....
[14:06] <mterry> Has anyone else seen that?
[14:08] <mzanetti> mterry, works fine here... however, non-ecrypted home
[14:08] <mzanetti> zbenjamin, is there a known issue with encrypted home partitions? ^^
[14:08] <mterry> mzanetti, humphhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1436852
[14:08] <mzanetti> oh... there it is
[14:09] <mterry> That's...  Super annoying
[14:09] <mzanetti> odd...
[14:10] <mterry> mzanetti, I tried reproducing the dbus command that qtcreator is apparently running, but didn't repro the bug.  But if there is a reproduction recipe that doesn't involve qtcreator, I could actually help
[14:10] <mzanetti> mterry, ack. will try to repro without QtC
[14:10] <mterry> mzanetti, or!
[14:10] <mterry> mzanetti, I can just use a different user account on this machine
[14:10] <mzanetti> if you have one, yes
[14:10] <mterry> duh
[14:11]  * mterry forgot that was user-specific, not machine-specific
[14:11] <mzanetti> mterry, you can actually use a created click chroot with other users afterwards - if it's just the creating that fails
[14:11] <mterry> mzanetti, even better
[14:11] <mzanetti> mterry, /etc/chroot.d/
[14:11] <mterry> mzanetti, do you know where that lives in the user folder?
[14:11] <mzanetti> there's a config file for each chroot
[14:11] <mterry> mzanetti, oh it's system wide?
[14:11] <mzanetti> add all the users there
[14:11] <mzanetti> the chroot itself lives in /var/lib iirc
[14:13] <Saviq> yeah they're schroot-based
[14:13] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: mterry:  thats a pretty annoying one oO
[14:14] <greyback> mterry: "Super annoying" sounds like an understatement
[14:14]  * mzanetti gives out a round of snickers :)
[14:16] <Saviq> luks FTW!
[14:17] <Saviq> at least it doesn't drag btrfs to a halt under stress
[14:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, oh btw, can you please comment on the screenshot card (and tweak description/tasks) about what we discussed earlier today
[14:21] <tsdgeos> sure
[14:22] <tsdgeos> i already removed the "needs to be done in qtmir" part this morning
[14:22] <tsdgeos> let me see if something else needs changing
[14:25] <tsdgeos> Saviq: actually i don't understand the difference between points 2 and 3 of the acceptance criteria
[14:26] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I think they complement each other
[14:26] <Saviq> tsdgeos, obviously those were written with scopes-as-apps in mind
[14:27] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the only real difference is the activity indicator on splash screen (which should not be displayed until you focused the app)
[15:02] <mhall119> Saviq: are you going to have time to look at the UOS session proposals today?
[15:03] <mhall119> also, I would like to get a track lead from the Unity team to help schedule the Convergence track
[15:03] <mhall119> any volunteers?
[15:04] <mhall119> work load is minimal, since we've already got a bunch of proposed sessions, we just need to appoint someone to host them and then put them on the schedule
[15:04] <Saviq> mhall119, I asked the guys to assign themselves where applicable in the pad
[15:04] <mhall119> tsdgeos: mzanetti: can one or both of you give a demo showing the current state of Unity 8's desktop abilities?
[15:04] <Saviq> @unity ↑ mhall119 nudges you slightly :)
[15:05] <mhall119> thanks Saviq :)
[15:05] <Saviq> mhall119, mzanetti'd likely be best for that, along with the upcoming desktop alt-tab/right-edge switcher
[15:05] <mhall119> is @unity a team highlight?
[15:05] <Saviq> mhall119, yeah
[15:05] <mhall119> nice
[15:05] <mhall119> yeah, I saw a design for the new switcher, looks slick, that would be a great thing to demo
[15:06] <mzanetti> mhall119, when, where, how?
[15:06] <mhall119> mzanetti: I'm at the desktop sprint in London, we had a couple of the designers here yesterday
[15:06] <mzanetti> ah right. Vesa told me
[15:07] <mzanetti> doesn't really answer the question though :)
[15:08] <mzanetti> oh... the UOS
[15:08] <mhall119> oh, I thought you were asking when, where and how *I* saw it
[15:08] <mzanetti> :)
[15:08] <mhall119> yes, UOS, on the Show & Tell track that balloons is running
[15:09] <mhall119> so, start a hangout, share your screen or point your webcam at a device, however you can show it
[15:09] <mzanetti> ack
[15:09] <mzanetti> yeah, can do I guess
[15:09] <mhall119> since I assume google hangouts don't work on Unity8 yet
[15:09] <mzanetti> when is the UOS?
[15:09] <mhall119> May 5-7
[15:09] <mhall119> 1400-2000 UTC
[15:09] <mzanetti> ack
[15:10] <mzanetti> I'll be here. but try to not put my slot as early as possible
[15:10] <davmor2> mzanetti: just run Machine vs Machines on desktop if that doesn't make everyone race out and buy a device they have no soul ;)
[15:10] <mhall119> try to not put it early?
[15:10] <mzanetti> erm
[15:10] <mzanetti> sorry
[15:10] <mzanetti> as early as possible
[15:10] <mzanetti> 16:00 UTC is my theoretical EOD
[15:10] <mhall119> ok, that we can do
[15:10] <mhall119> balloons: ^^
[15:10] <mzanetti> while I can do a bit later, I'd prefer not to have this at like 9 or 10 pm
[15:11] <mhall119> ack
[15:12] <Saviq> dednick, any idea about "/usr/bin/unity-mock-indicator-service: 1: /usr/bin/unity-mock-indicator-service: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")" ?
[15:13] <Saviq> dednick, seems to be introduced by one of the branches in http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=ubuntu/landing-017
[15:15] <Saviq> huuuh
[15:15] <Saviq> /usr/bin/unity-mock-indicator-service: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
[15:15] <Saviq> onoes

[15:16] <Saviq> dednick, unity8-autopilot is a binary independent package
[15:16] <Saviq> we can't ship a binary from it
[15:18] <Saviq> how did we release that...
[15:24] <Saviq> dednick, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fix-mock-indicator/+merge/256958
[15:25] <tsdgeos> mterry: there?
[15:25] <mterry> tsdgeos, yup
[15:25] <tsdgeos> mterry: i think bzr tells me you introduced
[15:25] <tsdgeos> readonly property url defaultScreenshot: (root.application && root.application.defaultScreenshot !== undefined) ? root.application.defaultScreenshot : ""
[15:25] <tsdgeos> in ApplicationWindow.qml
[15:26] <dednick> Saviq: hm. woops
[15:26] <tsdgeos> but i can't find where that defaultScreenshot property is supposed to come
[15:26] <mterry> tsdgeos, ah yes... to make a fake Tutorial work
[15:26] <mterry> tsdgeos, I think it's only used in Tutorial/
[15:26] <tsdgeos> ah
[15:26] <mterry> tsdgeos, to fake a running app screenshot
[15:26] <tsdgeos> it's a fake injected property
[15:26] <tsdgeos> k
[15:27] <tsdgeos> well fake appmanager property
[15:27] <mterry> tsdgeos, I probably should have commented that
[15:27] <vesar_> hey could anyone point out if there is any (easy, doesn't matter if very hackish) way to replace Dash in unity8 with our own app for prototyping purposes?
[15:28] <tsdgeos> vesar_: overwrite the binary? :D
[15:28] <Saviq> vesar_, restart unity8-dash BINARY=/path/to/your/binary
[15:28] <Saviq> vesar_, or you can add a unity8-dash.override file in ~/.config/upstart/
[15:29] <Saviq> vesar, and put "exec /path/to/your/binary" there
[15:29] <Saviq> vesar, after all, dash is just an app these days
[15:29] <Saviq> vesar, otherwise you can just launch your app, go `stop unity8-dash` to stop the actual dash and you're done
[15:29] <Saviq> vesar, depends how persistent you want it to be
[15:30] <vesar_> Saviq, I don't think the latter would work since I want BFB and long left edge swipes to get to my app
[15:31] <Saviq> vesar_, right, in that case the .override is best
[15:31] <vesar_> but the first one sounds promising I guess, we could try that
[15:31] <vesar_> Saviq, tsdgeos, very good. thank, we'll try that
[15:32] <vesar_> faenil, ^^
[15:32] <faenil> thanks, very nice
[15:32] <Saviq> vesar, faenil, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#override-files
[15:33] <Saviq> with http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#session-job giving some details about user jobs (vs. system jobs)
[15:33] <faenil> good :)
[15:33] <Saviq> and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/view/head:/data/unity8-dash.conf is the main unity8-dash job so you can override any of those
[15:34] <Saviq> faenil, vesar, you want the --desktop_file_hint=... in your override file, too
[15:34] <Saviq> btw, pstolowski ↑ UNITY_SCOPES_LIST is deprecated, 'innit?
[15:34] <faenil> ah right, the mir longlasting issue
[15:35] <Saviq> faenil, s/issue/feature/
[15:35] <faenil> nice try :P
[15:35] <Saviq> no, for real :P
[15:35] <Saviq> it'll never go away completely
[15:35] <faenil> :)
[15:35] <pstolowski> Saviq, it is, but let me check if we don't reference it in an obscured dark corner somewhere...
[15:36] <Saviq> faenil, we need a way to create a 1:n relationship of app to surfaces, we don't want bamf any more
[15:37] <Saviq> faenil, so a Mir client must be securely (unspoofingly) identified as a particular app
[15:39] <pstolowski> Saviq, not used or referenced in any way by shell plugin
[15:40] <Saviq> pstolowski, kk
[15:42] <faenil> Saviq: oki :)
[15:52] <sidi_> hi. looking at the unity code base right now. whats the difference between the unity-standalone and unity-shared folders?
[15:56] <greyback> sidi_: unity-standalone appears to allow one to run unity in a window on your existing desktop. the real meat & bones of unity is in unity-shared though
[15:58] <sidi_> greyback, ah great! thanks
[16:27] <Saviq> greyback, can you volunteer to the "Desktop app lifecycle management" session (I'll try and be there too)
[16:28] <greyback> Saviq: I suppose so, but I'm not really up on what we intend to do
[16:28] <Saviq> greyback, which is what the UOS sessions are meant to be, they're not talks
[16:28] <greyback> Saviq: alrighty
[16:28] <greyback> consider me volunteered
[16:28] <Saviq> tx
[16:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, I'm putting you next to "Unity8 desktop demo" as I understand you agreed on the plan with mhall119?
[16:30] <mzanetti> ok
[16:30] <mzanetti> Saviq, ^
[16:30] <Saviq> mhall119, I'm not sure what "Developing Unity8" is meant to be? is it *for* Unity8, or unity8 itself (in which cae "porting X11 apps..." doesn't fit in that session?)
[16:30] <Saviq> mzanetti, tx
[16:32] <Saviq> mhall119, "adding traditional desktop" is something that needs design consideration first and foremost, we've just skimmed over some ideas with Giorgio, but that's about it
[16:32] <Saviq> mhall119, "unity8 as default" should probably be led by willcooke&friends
[16:36] <willcooke> Saviq, mhall119 - happy to get involved with that, I think we'd also like to talk about what desktop-style features we need from U8 - so if we can have a U8 person there to talk to that would be good
[16:43] <Saviq> willcooke, oh sure, we'll be there, just that leading is more of a you thing on this topic I'd say
[16:44] <willcooke> oki, sounds good to me.  thanks Saviq
[16:45] <Saviq> willcooke, added you next to it on mhall119's pad, delegate as needed http://pad.ubuntu.com/MQ01t50gLb :)
[16:46] <willcooke> *cough* my pad
[16:46] <willcooke> ;)
[16:46] <willcooke> well
[16:46] <willcooke> I created it, mhall119 did all the work
[16:46] <willcooke> ;)
[16:47] <Saviq> oups
[16:58] <mhall119> Saviq: agreed on the X11 porting docs, will take that off
[16:58] <mhall119> and yes,it's about telling people how to be involved in developing Unity 8 itself
[16:59] <Saviq> mhall119, added myself as placeholder, will likely delegate tomorrow
[16:59] <Saviq> mhall119, so the remaining bit is "traditional desktop on unity8" on which there's little we thought about
[17:00] <mhall119> Saviq: that's something design has been talking to seb128 about, I'll see if he can host that
[18:15] <sidi_> i'm stuck trying to build unity on vivid, missing the "pam" and "release-upload-version" dependencies. i have libpam0g-dev installed, and no idea what the second dep is meant to be. Am I missing some obvious step?
[18:21] <Saviq> sidi_, use "mk-build-deps" from devscripts to install the dependencies
[18:21] <Saviq> sidi_, or at least `apt-get build-dep unity`
[18:24] <sidi_> Saviq, thanks, all is installed. these two dependencies are still not resolved by cmake
[18:28] <Saviq> sidi_, can you paste the cmake log to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ ?
[18:30] <sidi_> sure
[18:31]  * Saviq fires up a build in a chroot in the mean time
[18:32] <sidi_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10862734/
[18:33] <Saviq> sidi_, it looks fine, those are just warnings
[18:34] <Saviq> sidi_, it generated the build rules fine, so you should be able to make or ninja just fine now
[18:34] <sidi_> Saviq, good to hear. i'll need to package my changes so i dont want to package a half-broken version :-)
[18:36] <sidi_> Thanks for checking in any case
[18:37] <Saviq> sure


[00:01] <mhall119> I thought you put it there
[00:01] <cjohnston> I dont remember
[00:01] <mhall119> as part of the changes for summit
[00:01] <daker> yep it was you
[00:01] <mhall119> from canonical's web team
[00:01] <cjohnston> hmm
[00:01] <mhall119> so, cjohnston, why do we have it by default?
[00:01] <cjohnston> I dunno
[00:03] <cjohnston> reason I ask is I have to s/jquery/yui
[00:03] <mhall119> oh gawd no
[00:04] <cjohnston> I don't have to on Summit, but I do have to on the dashboard
[00:04] <mhall119> oh, that's not so bad them
[00:04] <cjohnston> so if I don't need to load it from ubuntu_website, itll make my life easier
[00:04] <mhall119> yeah, I don't think anything in the base theme needs it
[00:04] <cjohnston> until render.py is gone, jquery cant go away
[00:05] <mhall119> if the choice is ever between render.py and yui, I'm changing professions
[00:05] <cjohnston> lol
[00:05] <cjohnston> what if yui has its own render.py that we dont have to write?
[00:14] <mhall119> That's like asking "What if e.coli came with it's own salmonella that we didn't have to eat separately?"
[00:15] <cjohnston> hehehe
[00:46] <nigelb> mhall119: I thought you already changed professions ;)
[04:31] <newz2000> nigelb: did mhall119 officially get turned into a community manager rather than a coder?
[05:28] <nigelb> newz2000: I thought that's what being one of the horsemen would mean ;)
[13:11] <cjohnston> mornin
[13:12] <daker> o/
[15:09] <mhall119> newz2000: I have to sneak in coding time
[15:11] <cjohnston> newz2000: or have me go on vacation 2 weeks before UDS.. lol
[15:11] <cjohnston> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-django-theme-static/+merge/141263
[15:19] <mhall119> cjohnston: are all of our websites using a version of django that supports staticfiles?
[15:20] <cjohnston> mhall119: LTP isn't, but LTP isn't using the newest theme anyway (they haven't updated in quite a while) and I'm going to work with daker during the holiday on getting it upgraded
[15:25] <nigelb> mhall119: someone I know at mozilla books time on his calender for coding blocks ^_^
[15:26]  * cjohnston has access to mhall119's calendar too nigelb .. hehe
[15:27] <cjohnston> 3
[15:28] <daker> 4
[15:28] <nigelb> 5
[15:29] <cjohnston> eww.. I have the dash search thingie stuck
[15:47] <mhall119> nigelb: not a bad idea, if I can get away with it
[15:48] <nigelb> mhall119: Well, just do 4-hour blocks.
[15:48] <nigelb> Like, 2 sets during the week.
[15:52] <mhall119> I usually have some Friday time for things like that, it's how I've been working on Quickly lately
[15:55] <nigelb> mhall119: Nice! :)
[21:53] <cjohnston> mhall119: I have 368 lines of code change to LTP.. gotta leave me alone for another year now :-P
[21:58] <mhall119> cjohnston: will you leave me alone?
[21:59] <cjohnston> no.. you haven't comitted to Summit today
[22:02] <cjohnston> mhall119: LTP now supports staticfiles
[22:02] <cjohnston> well.. it has the ability, it isnt enabled
[22:49] <daker> cjohnston: HAHAHAHA


[07:56] <bittin> yesterdays 22.10 test images is all broken
[08:21] <bittin> can be my Virtualbox other VMs crashes the same way
[08:33] <bittin> yep its my Virtualbox setup
[11:37] <bittin> installing an older version of Virtualbox solved it some problem with the latest vbox in Arch