[22:29] <pleia2> yak! https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/26926102696/
[22:29] <darthrobot> Title: [Shipped direct from Shijiazhuang, China - my Yakkety Yak has arrived! #Ubuntu | Flickr - Photo Sharing!]
[22:30]  * pleia2 applies Ubuntu pin
[23:24] <nhandler> Looking forward to seeing it in person at the next Ubuntu event
[23:25] <nhaines> My SlimPort adapter and HDMI cable (and new case) came today, so my Nexus 7 is now a full Ubuntu desktop.
[23:25] <nhaines> Which is really quite nice.
[23:25] <pleia2> nhaines: slimport adapter?
[23:26] <nhaines> pleia2: like MHL.  They came out at the same time and I got the device with the one technology so that one disappeared and the other took off, as is tradition.
[23:27] <pleia2> ah
[23:37] <lynorian> nhaines, does unity 8 mean eaiser cursor resizing than on X
[23:37] <lynorian> although ubuntu mate also has a way for that
[23:37] <nhaines> Probably not.
[23:38] <lynorian> Although that is one weakeness of LXDE


[07:23] <jbailey> So,erm...  The LiveCD sees the sound card in my G5, and the regular hotplug on the system doesn't. =)


[04:15] <canthus13> Cheri703: Have you gotten hangouts to work? It crashes firefox every time for me. :(
[04:16] <Cheri703> it worked perfectly fine til my camera crapped out
[04:16] <Cheri703> which version of ff are you running?
[04:16] <Cheri703> and do you have the plugin installed?
[04:17] <canthus13> 4.0.1.. and the plugin is installed as far as I know.  It locks up right after the cam test is done.
[04:18] <canthus13> ...Unless the plugin is different from the regular google talk plugin?
[04:19] <Cheri703> uhm, I think it may be a new version? I'm running ff5
[04:19] <Cheri703> try updating?
[04:20] <canthus13> Hmmm... I'll try it.
[04:23] <canthus13> bah. Firefox is being kept back. :/
[04:23] <canthus13> gotta figure out why.
[04:24] <canthus13> ...or just use chromium. :)
[04:25] <Cheri703> someone said they had issues using chrome
[04:25] <Cheri703> are you doing a sudo apt-get upgrade?
[04:25] <canthus13> yep.
[04:25] <Cheri703> are you using your weird thing instead of gnome?
[04:26] <canthus13> I think it has to do with me using a ppa for ff4 since maverick has 3.6...
[04:26] <Cheri703> because I have found that often, if something is held back from updating with apt-get, it'll work with the update manager
[04:26] <canthus13> And yes.. I'm using Openbox. :)
[04:26] <Cheri703> hang on, let me check my ppa
[04:26] <Unit193> dist-upgrade?
[04:26] <canthus13> I'm sticking with Maverick.  Natty doesn't like my laptop.
[04:27] <canthus13> at least, liveCDs of Natty don't.
[04:27] <Cheri703> mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu
[04:27] <Cheri703> ppa:
[04:29] <canthus13> Hrm.. weird. I *thought* I had a ppa...
[04:32] <Unit193> apt-cache policy firefox  ?
[04:32] <Cheri703> ?
[04:35] <Cheri703> ?
[04:36] <Unit193> Terminal command apt-cache policy firefox will tell you what versions are in ALL your repos
[04:36] <Cheri703> my knee hurts and I am mad at it
[04:36] <Cheri703> ah
[04:36] <Cheri703> ok
[04:39] <canthus13> Eh? Wait.. apt-cache policy says I'm using the mozillateam ppa.
[04:40] <Unit193> They don't update for Maverick, only Lucid and Natty
[04:40] <canthus13> Ah. makes no sense, but whatever.
[04:44] <Cheri703> try the other one?
[04:50] <Cheri703> wait..I was distracted, you're using the one I mentioned?
[04:50] <canthus13> yep.
[04:51] <Cheri703> mine says maverick...
[04:52] <Cheri703> http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu/dists/maverick/
[04:59] <Unit193> Changing email addy for all Ubuntu things, not so easy...
[05:41] <Unit193> And now my IMAP accounts are out of sync...?
[14:04] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[14:05] <dmcglone> Hello all :-)
[14:07] <dmcglone> Sold my house and moved in the past couple weeks
[14:07] <thafreak> where'd you move to?
[14:08] <dmcglone> Moved farther south over by SR 665
[14:09] <dmcglone> Know where Rickenbacker AFB is?
[14:10] <thafreak> nope, i'm from NEO
[14:11] <dmcglone> Oh Ok. Well its about 4 miles south of where I used to live
[14:20] <thafreak> gotcha, why the move? Closer to work, or just time for a different house?
[14:25] <dmcglone> Moved because I was tired of taking care of a house.
[14:25] <thafreak> ha, dude I so know what you mean
[14:25] <thafreak> yard work alone is a  total PITA
[14:27] <dmcglone> Yeah
[14:27] <dmcglone> and it's a whole lot cheaper!
[14:27] <dmcglone> :-)
[14:28] <thafreak> well, that's always a plus :)
[14:29] <dmcglone> It's funny, I moved to a bigger and cheaper place compared to that small and expensive place
[14:30] <dmcglone> and it's nicer too
[14:30] <dmcglone> I will only miss the cul-de-sac
[14:33] <thafreak> nice...
[14:34] <thafreak> you closer or further from the ubuntu hours now? :)
[14:34] <dmcglone> farther :-/
[14:35] <thafreak> doesn't sound like much though
[14:35] <dmcglone> I'm about a 20 - 25 minute drive from the north end of columbus
[15:53] <paultag> ← 12 hours away :(
[15:55] <deejoe> paultag: oh?
[15:55] <deejoe> you back in the Bay state?
[15:55] <paultag> deejoe: I am, my friend
[17:58] <thafreak> google+ http://imgur.com/gallery/Zdh5I
[18:15] <Unit193> skellat: What reply did you get fropm the loco council?
[18:16] <Unit193> And howdy!
[18:16] <skellat> You mean the forum council?
[18:16] <Unit193> Yep, too many councils
[18:16] <skellat> They're looking into it and are unsure if the software supports bridging
[18:22] <Unit193> Thankie
[18:24] <skellat> Yeah
[18:25] <skellat> I don't where to go from there
[18:25] <skellat> The High Council of Ubuntu Ohio was copied on the reply I got
[18:25] <Unit193> I guess you wouldn't report to there...
[18:26] <skellat> Yeah
[18:26] <skellat> What's new out your way?
[18:27] <Unit193> It's stinkin hot and I like my laptop...
[18:28] <skellat> What sort of laptop is it?
[18:28] <canthus13> It's only 90 here.
[18:29] <skellat> 72.9 degrees here in Ashtabula
[18:29] <Unit193> It's an old Pentium M with 1G and Xubuntu
[18:29] <canthus13> Lucky you.
[18:29] <Unit193> Temperature: 86°F / 30°C (Heat Index: 86°F / 30°C)
[18:30] <skellat> In my case it is probably the trailer leaking aircon past our thermometer's outside sensor
[18:41] <skellat> Anybody see good fireworks on the 4th?  I got to watch Mentor's show out in Lake County.
[18:41] <Unit193> Nope, but I got good ones on the 2nd
[18:43] <canthus13> They had fireworks for my birthday? Cool!
[18:47] <Unit193> And I may be going to more the 9th
[22:25] <dmcglone> Hello folks :-)
[22:37] <dmcglone> I had to switch to AT&T internet and now I can't send mail I get an Error
[22:37] <dmcglone> Could not connect to mail.dmcentral.net: No route to host
[22:38] <canthus13> dmcglone: they're probably blocking port 25.  Try 587.
[22:38] <canthus13> we block 25.  It supposedly reduces spam.
[22:39] <dmcglone> I see no option in evolution to change the port
[22:40] <canthus13> Hmm. dunno. It should have an option.
[22:44] <canthus13> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84300
[22:44] <canthus13> apparently, just put :587 at the end of the servername.
[22:45] <dmcglone> thanks. gonna test now
[22:45] <canthus13> Sure.
[22:46] <dmcglone> That worked. At first it didn't. I had to restart evolution
[22:49] <canthus13> Good.
[22:49] <dmcglone> Did I miss anything good while I was moving?
[22:50] <canthus13> we're starting an openbox metapackage...
[22:51] <canthus13> It's a little stalled at the moment, mainly because it's too damn hot for me to work at the test machine in my basement, and vnc is painfully slow on that machine for some reason...
[22:51] <dmcglone> Who all is involved?
[22:52] <canthus13> Me, mainly.. but Unit193 and skellat are in on it, too.  possibly stlsaint.
[22:52] <Unit193> dmcglone: He likes taking all the credit
[22:53] <canthus13> Heh.
[22:54] <canthus13> Oh.. Bodhi-zazen has been putting in a bit too...  there's a thread on the loco forum.
[22:54] <Unit193> But that's ok, I'll give him all the blame too ;)  I don't know yet how to help so I'll wait and see
[22:55] <dmcglone> is it being written from scratch?
[22:56] <canthus13> Nah. We're basing it off the Natty mini CD right now....
[22:56] <dmcglone> Ah solid start :-)
[22:57] <dmcglone> I'm leaving for Myrtle beach friday night :-)


[08:25] <jelo> superkuh: https://sh.one.pl/2209/horible-decoration2.png
[08:26] <jelo> here is thios gtk decoration style i was thinking then. it is not pretty and also not intuitive at all.
[08:27] <jelo> (i m not sure if defalut ubuntu desktop wasnt go into that style several years ago, or they change it back later?)


[00:11] <thumper> wallyworld_: want to have a quick catch up chat?
[00:11] <wallyworld_> thumper: sure, meet in our 1:1
[00:11] <thumper> k
[01:42] <thumper> anyone? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/676/
[02:04] <axw> wallyworld_: just want some clarification on the change. AllowsSecureConnection indicates that there's a CA private key on the state servers, which allows them to generate valid certificates. without it, the certs may not have valid addresses and so the LXC code will not be told to fetch images from the API server
[02:04] <axw> instead it'll go directly to the external source
[02:04] <axw> is that right?
[02:05] <wallyworld_> axw: yes, correct
[02:29] <menn0> thumper: looking
[02:38] <menn0> thumper: done
[02:38] <thumper> ta
[02:39] <rick_h_> thumper: got a sec to chat?
[02:39] <thumper> rick_h_: sure, why not
[02:39] <rick_h_> :)
[02:40] <rick_h_> thumper:
[02:40] <rick_h_> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/daily-standup?authuser=1
[02:43] <thumper> rick_h_: you've stopped moving and making noise
[03:03] <wallyworld_> thumper: if you have a moment, here's a small, simple review http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/677/
[03:04] <thumper> wallyworld_: ship it
[03:04] <wallyworld_> ty
[03:34] <thumper> wallyworld_: is there an example somewhere in a test (and real code) of checking for the existance of tools for a particular version?
[03:34] <thumper> wallyworld_: I think the upgrade-juju command does it somewhere
[03:34] <wallyworld_> thumper: you mean seeing if the tarball exists?
[03:35] <thumper> wallyworld_: well how about I tell you what I want to do
[03:35] <wallyworld_> ok
[03:35] <thumper> wallyworld_: and you can tell me the easiest way to do it?
[03:35] <thumper> when someone says "create-environment" we want the version to default to the client version, but they should be able to specify a version to use when creating
[03:36] <thumper> the api server needs to check for tool availability
[03:36] <thumper> for created environments, we can't really support upload-tools
[03:36] <thumper> nor do I think we should
[03:36] <wallyworld_> thumper: i could be wrong, but i thought we were heading towards enforcing the same version as the client is used
[03:37] <thumper> also, we need to make sure the requested version is <= current version of the server
[03:37] <thumper> wallyworld_: for bootstrap yes
[03:37] <wallyworld_> since we have run into incompatibility issues even with minor version differences
[03:37] <thumper> wallyworld_: for 'juju create-environment' not necessarily
[03:37] <wallyworld_> ok
[03:37] <thumper> anyway
[03:37] <thumper> the client's juju version may well be different to the api server they are connecting to
[03:37] <thumper> so we need to pass an agent-version through
[03:38] <thumper> the api server then needs to check against its version, and also for tool availability
[03:38] <thumper> so two things:
[03:38] <thumper> best way to have the apiserver check
[03:38] <thumper> and
[03:38] <thumper> best way to test it (i.e. fake the tools that it thinks are available)
[03:39] <wallyworld_> so there's an apiserver ToolsFinder from memory
[03:40] <wallyworld_> i'll need to dig to find some examples, give me a sec
[03:43] <wallyworld_> thumper: if you look at line 53 in apiserver/client/machineconfig.go, you can see how you can set up to ask the tools finder for tools either matching a specific version, or major/minor match
[03:45] <axw> wallyworld_: fyi I have updated https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/77, I just need to get fwereade to PTAL since he already started reviewing
[03:45] <wallyworld_> in terms of testing, i think there's some stuff in apiserver/common/tools_test.go
[03:45] <thumper> wallyworld_: thanks
[03:45] <wallyworld_> axw: sure, ty, sounds good
[03:46] <wallyworld_> thumper: have a look, and if you need some more info, let me know; i think i've given you what you need, but ask if nt
[03:46] <thumper> cheers
[03:46] <thumper> my kids are starting to go ferel
[03:46] <thumper> ferrel?
[03:46] <thumper> anyway, screaming and fighting
[03:46] <wallyworld_> will ferrel?
[03:46] <thumper> they haven't gotten out today
[03:47] <thumper> feral
[03:47] <wallyworld_> the dog has i bet
[03:47] <thumper> nope
[03:47] <thumper> well, not for a walk
[03:47] <wallyworld_> she would be feral also then
[03:48] <thumper> hmm...
[03:48] <thumper> series...
[03:49] <thumper> I don't have a series...
[03:49] <thumper> actually I have a default-series
[03:50] <thumper> hmm... seems I can leave it blank
[04:25] <thumper> wallyworld_: is there an easy way to get a list of all the tools available?
[04:26] <wallyworld_> thumper: from memory, pass in a search params with major = minor = -1, and empty arch, series etc
[04:26] <thumper> hmm...
[04:26] <wallyworld_> but you'd normally want to filter on arch, series
[04:26] <wallyworld_> or arch at least
[04:26] <thumper> well, when we create an environment, we don't have an arch
[04:26] <thumper> as we aren't actually creating any machines
[04:27] <wallyworld_> there's no current use case apart from possibly sync tools where you need a "find all tools"
[04:27] <thumper> however we do want to use to know that there are some tools available
[04:27] <thumper> so... situation is:
[04:27] <thumper> user says create-environment --version x.y.z
[04:27] <thumper> we check and go "hmm, no tools for that version, but we do have [a,b,c,d]"
[04:28] <wallyworld_> yeah, the api doesn't work like that. you currently ask for version x.y.z and get that or nothing
[04:28] <thumper> hmm...
[04:28] <thumper> bugger
[04:28] <wallyworld_> or you can ask for all tools matching major/minor version
[04:29] <wallyworld_> of with -1 for major, minor, you get everything
[04:29] <wallyworld_> or
[04:29] <wallyworld_> and you then need to iterate the list of tools you get back to see if the version you want is there
[04:30]  * thumper hmmmms
[04:30] <thumper> I'm going to think about it over night and come back to it.
[04:30] <thumper> cheers
[04:30] <wallyworld_> ok
[04:30] <wallyworld_> we can improve the api if needed
[04:31] <wallyworld_> it fits current use cases
[04:34]  * thumper nods
[04:34] <thumper> night all
[05:56] <axw> jam: when discussing storage, did you and sabdfl talk about fallback at all? the updated spec doesn't really work with fallback in mind at all AFAICT. e.g. if you specify --storage, the spec says the pool used is the default pool, rather than any pool that will satisfy
[07:53] <jam> axw: sorry about the delay, are you still around?
[07:54] <axw> jam: hiya, yes, I am
[07:57] <jam> axw: so I believe the "default" source in MaaS was local disk (block devices coming from loop mounts, non-specified sizes just coming from /)
[08:00] <axw> jam: ok. so we're back to no notion of degrading; the user just has to be explicit if they want something better than loop-back, and if that fails then they need to try again with something else?
[08:00] <axw> *automatic degrading
[08:00] <jam> axw: I believe the spec mentioned  being able to change the default source for an environment, but otherwise yes
[08:01] <axw> jam: thanks
[08:01] <jam> axw: I hope you had good holidays
[08:01] <jam> welcome back
[08:02] <axw> jam: pretty relaxing, thanks. and you?
[08:02] <jam> axw: quite nice. Got to go visit family in Germany. And while we didn't get proper snow, it was at least cold for new years :)
[08:02] <jam> I guess that isn't how you feel about NY
[08:02] <axw> ah nice :)
[08:02] <axw> not in the slightest ;)
[08:03] <axw> I've been in the pool every day for at least the last week
[08:03] <jam> axw: I remember martin pool mentioning that to him Christmas was Mai Tai's on the beach
[08:03] <axw> we just had a barbecue with all the family round ours
[08:18] <axw> wallyworld_: I have just updated http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/589/ again, removing Minimum and Preferred. The top-level Size is minimum, and Count is just required - there's no reason for anything to over deliver on count
[08:18] <wallyworld_> sure, will look
[08:21] <axw> wallyworld_: do you know if your change has fixed the regression? it's not clear to me from the CI dashboard
[08:21] <wallyworld_> axw: yes, the previously failing local deployment CI tests pass; there's still a joyent failure though which is separate i think as all the local tests were failing before
[08:22] <axw> wallyworld_: can we flip it to released, or do you want to wait for QA to verify?
[08:23] <wallyworld_> axw: i just checked, the CI tests are almost finished again for a 2nd commit, the joynet local precise tests are pending. let's wait a bit longer to see how those pan out
[08:23] <axw> ah ok
[08:23] <axw> cool
[08:23] <wallyworld_> i'm not sure if we're supposed to flip the bug status ourselves
[08:24] <wallyworld_> or wait for the reporter to do it
[08:24] <axw> never mind, I can wait
[08:45] <jam> hi fwereade, I hope you enjoyed your break
[08:45] <fwereade> jam, heyhey
[08:46] <fwereade> jam, yes, thank you, it was quite disconcertingly peaceful -- and yourself?
[08:54] <jam> fwereade: pretty good for me. We went to Germany to spend time with relatives for the new year. Got to be properly cold for NY (well 5 on NY, but it did get below zero in Germany)
[08:56] <wallyworld_> fwereade: g'day. we missed our 1:1 earlier. can we do it a bit later
[08:56] <voidspace> morning all
[08:56] <axw> morning
[08:56] <fwereade> wallyworld_, oops, so we did, I haven't quite adjusted to a proper timetable
[08:56] <wallyworld_> np, i need to cook and eat dinner etc, can i ping you when i'm ready?
[10:01] <dimitern> voidspace, jam? standup time
[10:01] <voidspace> dimitern: omw
[10:01] <voidspace> in fact, here
[10:05] <jam> dimitern: you still there?
[10:11] <fwereade> TheMue, jam, voidspace: dimitern's internets have fallen over, he's working on it
[10:12] <TheMue> fwereade: thx for info
[10:33] <wallyworld_> fwereade: let me know when you're free to chat?
[10:33] <fwereade> wallyworld_, cleaner's in here at the moment, maybe 10 mins or something?
[10:33] <wallyworld_> fwereade: sure, np
[10:41] <axw> fwereade: would you PTAL at https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/77 ? I think/hope your previous concerns should be allayed
[10:45] <fwereade> axw, cool, will do
[11:13] <voidspace> jam: "NodeGroup is the internal name for a cluster."
[11:14] <voidspace> dimitern: jam: it looks like a nodegroup-interface represents a network interface
[11:14] <voidspace>     A NodeGroupInterface is identified by the uuid for its NodeGroup, and the name of the network interface it represents: “eth0” for example.
[11:14] <jam> voidspace: that sounds an awful lot like it would be the actual network interface for a machine. Maybe it is the Node Group controller's interface?
[11:15] <voidspace>     A NodeGroupInterface is a network interface attached to a cluster controller, with its network properties.
[11:20] <voidspace> I've asked some questions on #maas
[11:20] <voidspace> No reply yet
[11:24] <perrito666> morning
[11:25] <voidspace> jam: dimitern: an in-between approach (not too much work) is for the provider layer to choose whether it allocates or whether it lets the provider allocate
[11:25] <voidspace> jam: dimitern: so with maas we use "dynamic allocation" and with ec2 we use static allocation
[11:25] <voidspace> jam: dimitern: then we can move ec2 to dynamic allocation later if we want
[11:28] <voidspace> Our current strategy picks an unused address and attempts to allocate that. This returns an error or nil (for success).
[11:28] <voidspace> We could let the provider implementation of AllocateAddress return a *different* address if it successfully allocates one
[11:28] <voidspace> allowing it to ignore the requested address if it wants to - which the MaaS implementation always would
[11:29] <voidspace> slightly janky but flexible
[11:29] <voidspace> perrito666: morning
[12:04] <dimitern> voidspace, jam, TheMue, sorry guys I was away till now - first network issues, then the heating stopped..
[12:04] <TheMue> dimitern: heya, welcome back
[12:04] <TheMue> dimitern: oh, no heating is hard
[12:05] <TheMue> dimitern: even harder than no network, hmmmm, or ... *justKidding*
[12:06] <voidspace> dimitern: hey, hi
[12:06] <voidspace> dimitern: did you see my questions/comments above or should I repeat them?
[12:06] <dimitern> :D
[12:06] <dimitern> I can see the one about nodegroup-interfaces being NICs
[12:06] <voidspace> dimitern: right
[12:07] <voidspace> NICs on the cluster controller
[12:07] <voidspace> dimitern: is that what we want - will they correspond directly (one-to-one) with networks?
[12:07] <voidspace> dimitern: or should I switch to a hybrid approach (which I like but is admittedly slightly janky)?
[12:09] <dimitern> voidspace, AIUI networks are created when you add a NGI
[12:09] <voidspace> dimitern: so, there always should be the one-to-one correspondence we need
[12:09] <dimitern> voidspace, but you can create them manually as well, so this tells me they *might* sometimes not match 100%, but for a definite answer we should consult the maas guys or the source
[12:10] <voidspace> I've asked questions on #maas
[12:10] <voidspace> no answer yet
[12:10] <voidspace> I will proceed assuming they will match
[12:10] <voidspace> and will tweak appropriately if needed - or start again with a different approach...
[12:10] <voidspace> depending on the answer...
[12:11] <dimitern> voidspace, just a sec
[12:11] <dimitern> voidspace, it occurred to me there could be valid cases where networks != NGIs
[12:11] <dimitern> voidspace, NGI == networks only for those maas is supposed to manage dhcp, dns, or both
[12:12] <voidspace> really?
[12:12] <voidspace> ah, maybe
[12:12] <voidspace> just checking what mine is
[12:13] <voidspace> they seem to correspond and I *thought* I didn't have maas managing dhcp or dns, but I might be wrong
[12:13] <dimitern> voidspace, it seems logical - otherwise (for non-managed - i.e. vlans, etc.)
[12:13] <dimitern> voidspace, sorry, that should've been - for non-managed there's not point in having a NGI associated with the network
[12:14] <voidspace> maas is managing dhcp and dns for my cluster
[12:15] <dimitern> voidspace, but in any case we *only* care about dhcp-managed networks for the address allocation logic
[12:15] <voidspace> dimitern: so we *can't* assume a correspondence, which means (as far as I can tell) that we can't always know the static range of the subnet
[12:15] <voidspace> dimitern: ah right, so it doesn't matter - we can *ignore* networks where we don't have this information
[12:15] <voidspace> dimitern: so it's one-to-one where we care
[12:16] <dimitern> voidspace, that's correct I think and it is reasonable - if maas is not managing dhcp/static ips for that net using the net's corresponding NGI then we don't care
[12:16] <dimitern> yeah I think so
[12:16] <voidspace> dimitern: cool, thanks
[12:17] <dimitern> voidspace, I do have a few unmanaged vlans on my maas
[12:17] <dimitern> voidspace, and despite being unmanaged (by maas) I can still use them for instance selection and then configure them (presumably) myself after maas gives me the node
[12:18] <voidspace> right, but you wouldn't expect  juju to be able to use them
[12:18] <voidspace> as they require manual configuration
[12:18] <dimitern> not for allocating addresses via the maas api, no :)
[12:18] <voidspace> cool, good enough
[12:18] <dimitern> but for constrains - yes
[12:19] <voidspace> ah, so you'll want Subnets to still return those networks just with nil for the AllocatableIPLow/High
[12:19] <voidspace> meaning "no allocatable addresses"
[12:19] <dimitern> I think so
[12:20] <voidspace> so I won't ignore them then
[12:20] <voidspace> right, I'm going on lunch
[12:20] <dimitern> cheers
[12:20] <dimitern> :)
[13:13] <perrito666> is there anything like distcc for go?
[15:00] <wwitzel3> ericsnow, perrito666: having some hangout issues
[15:01] <perrito666> hangout is love
[15:02] <perrito666> wwitzel3: ericsnow helps if we push this one hour?
[15:04] <ericsnow> perrito666, wwitzel3: fine with me
[15:05] <perrito666> ok, lets push it so wwitzel3 can solve his issue without hurrying
[15:05] <wwitzel3> perrito666: it is solved
[15:05] <perrito666> wow you are good
[15:05] <wwitzel3> but if you need to push it, that's fine :)
[15:05] <perrito666> nah, I am here anyway
[15:37] <voidspace> dimitern: ping
[15:38] <dimitern> voidspace, pong
[16:05] <alexisb> wwitzel3, ping
[16:05] <voidspace> dimitern: ping
[16:06] <voidspace> dimitern: philosophical question
[16:06] <voidspace> dimitern: we've called the maas nodegroups api endpoint and got a list of nodegroups (uuids)
[16:06] <voidspace> dimitern: we now need to make a series of calls, fetching the nodegroup interfaces for each nodegroup
[16:06] <voidspace> dimitern: and pulling out of that the ip, static_range_low and static_range_high for each interface
[16:07] <dimitern> voidspace, yeah
[16:07] <voidspace> dimitern: an individual call to fetch interfaces for a nodegroup can fail, as can pulling out the details from the result
[16:07] <voidspace> dimitern: in the presence of an error should we log and continue (my current approach) or error out?
[16:07] <voidspace> dimitern: the downside of logging and continuing is that even if *every call* errors we don't fail - we just return an empty map
[16:08] <voidspace> dimitern: the downside of erroring out is that the whole call would fail just for one missing bit of information
[16:08] <voidspace> dimitern: e.g. nodegroup deleted between fetching the list of nodegroups and querying the interfaces
[16:08] <voidspace> as I said, my current approach is to log (as a Warning) and continue
[16:09] <dimitern> voidspace, +1 on logging definitely
[16:10] <dimitern> voidspace, but deciding whether to error out entirely or not at the end should be:
[16:11] <dimitern> voidspace, if we gathered enough information, despite some errors -> ok, otherwise ... hmmm possibly wrap and return the (most important?) errors
[16:11] <dimitern> niemeyer, hey
[16:11] <niemeyer> dimitern: Heya
[16:11] <voidspace> but knowing what's "enough" information or not is difficult :-)
[16:12] <voidspace> if we fail to get the information, the result will be that we decide no networks have allocatable IP addresses
[16:12] <dimitern> niemeyer, any plans for fix for that issue with gopkg.in not supporting branches like "v2-dev"  (I'll try to find the issue #..)
[16:12] <voidspace> which is perhaps an odd error to end up with when it's a transient connection failure
[16:12] <voidspace> I'll think about it
[16:12] <wwitzel3> alexisb: pong
[16:13] <alexisb> hey there wwitzel3
[16:13] <alexisb> can you please join #server
[16:13] <dimitern> voidspace, we can have a chat tomorrow perhaps? it's getting late and harder for me to not being stupid :)
[16:13] <voidspace> dimitern: ok mate, you go
[16:13] <voidspace> dimitern: speak tomorrow
[16:13] <voidspace> dimitern: I've got more stuff to do now
[16:13] <niemeyer> dimitern: Yeah, I'll work on gopkg.in this week
[16:14] <voidspace> it's an annoying little decision
[16:14] <niemeyer> dimitern: There are a couple of things to improve there
[16:14] <voidspace> dimitern: the trick is to pick the "less wrong" answer...
[16:14] <niemeyer> dimitern: The source code linking is also coming
[16:14] <dimitern> voidspace, cheers, I'm sure you'll find a nice way to solve it :)
[16:14] <dimitern> niemeyer, nice!
[16:15] <dimitern> niemeyer, but now it seems you can't import "gopkg.in/amz.v2-dev/ec2" - perhaps I should rename that branch to v2?
[16:15] <dimitern> niemeyer, until the changes happen?
[16:16] <niemeyer> dimitern: Please don't do that.. let me fix the problem
[16:16] <dimitern> niemeyer, ok, no problem - I wanted to ask first
[16:16] <niemeyer> dimitern: For the time being, just do a "git clone" locally to the right location
[16:16] <dimitern> niemeyer, yeah, that'll work
[16:16] <niemeyer> (gopkg.in/amz.v2-dev/ec2)
[16:17] <dimitern> niemeyer, thanks!
[16:17] <niemeyer> dimitern: Labeling as v2 would be advertised as a new major available
[16:17] <niemeyer> dimitern: which means you should not change it further
[16:17] <niemeyer> dimitern: in incompatible ways
[16:17] <niemeyer> dimitern: Or is that what you intend to do in fact?
[16:18] <dimitern> niemeyer, yeah, fair point
[16:18] <dimitern> niemeyer, no, I intend for it to be stable at least for a while :)
[16:18] <niemeyer> dimitern: Clarifying the question: do you have further breaking changes to do on v2-dev soon?
[16:19] <dimitern> niemeyer, I have 2-3 PRs queued up which add new API methods, but don't break (hopefully) existing ones
[16:19] <niemeyer> dimitern: Well, so you can just rename it
[16:20] <niemeyer> dimitern: The point of -dev is to prevent people from using it while in a heavy development period, readying for the release
[16:20] <niemeyer> dimitern: It sounds like what you want is to release it
[16:20] <dimitern> niemeyer, yeah, fair point
[16:21] <dimitern> niemeyer, although it's safer to do a few more changes first as I need them anyway, and rename it once v2 is more or less stable
[16:21] <dimitern> and juju needs to use v2
[16:23] <dimitern> niemeyer, we should have a call some time this week, if you don't mina and have the time to discuss the other goamz topics - contributors, merging the other forks, etc.
[16:24] <niemeyer> dimitern: Sounds good, but "stability in this case" is not "won't change", but "won't change in incompatible ways"
[16:24] <niemeyer> dimitern: Of course
[16:24] <niemeyer> dimitern: Will be a pleasure
[16:24] <dimitern> niemeyer, right, cheers!
[16:26] <dimitern> niemeyer, which of the coming days works for you? perhaps ~1h or less - also at what time?
[16:28] <niemeyer> dimitern: I suppose now is too late for you, right?
[16:28] <niemeyer> dimitern: I mean, at this time, different day
[16:28] <dimitern> niemeyer, yeah, tomorrow about this time is better for me - should I sent and invite then?
[16:29] <niemeyer> dimitern: +1
[16:29] <niemeyer> dimitern: Oh, wait
[16:29] <dimitern> niemeyer, yeah?
[16:29] <niemeyer> dimitern: I have a 30mins slot at this time
[16:30] <niemeyer> dimitern: Feel free to start 30 mins earlier, or reduce the slot
[16:30] <dimitern> niemeyer, ok, so let's say 16 UTC tomorrow for 1h?
[16:30] <niemeyer> dimitern: Sounds good
[16:31] <dimitern> niemeyer, thanks, I'll send an invite then
[17:09] <perrito666> wwitzel3: ericsnow any volunteers to answer that last email?
[17:09] <perrito666> that was fast :p
[17:12] <alexisb> wwitzel3, you when the prize for fastest status reporting :)
[17:12] <ericsnow> alexisb: we still need to verify that networking is not required (only 1(?) existing provider implements it)
[17:12] <wwitzel3> alexisb: not sure I want the prize .. lol
[17:14] <alexisb> ericsnow, same with storage?
[17:15] <ericsnow> alexisb: they all (or nearly) have storage implemented, but only because it was required for juju up until recently (yay axw)
[17:16] <alexisb> ah ok ericsnow
[17:17] <alexisb> so ericsnow, wwitzel3 what do you guys need from me to help answer what is needed for storage and network support?
[17:18] <ericsnow> alexisb: the question came up as we jumped back in yesterday and I figured we'd just ask dimitern
[17:19] <ericsnow> (looks like I missed him though)
[17:20] <ericsnow> alexisb: I do think if we still want the networking stuff now it could wait until after we land the GCE provider
[17:20] <ericsnow> alexisb: as to storage, I'm pretty confident we don't need it; I'll follow up with axw tonight
[17:21] <perrito666> ericsnow: wwitzel3 alexisb I have a decent overlap with dimitern do you need me to tackle him and ask him something?
[17:22] <ericsnow> perrito666: feel free to ask him if networking needs to be implemented for the GCE provider (basically none of the other providers have it)
[17:27] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: patch is merged, I am going to try a manual fix that smoser suggested for testing purposes
[17:27] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: great!
[17:33] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: we have a regression
[17:34] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: :(
[17:34] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: with the root disk stuff in instance.go
[17:34] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: k
[17:34] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9683253/
[17:35] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: want to jump into the hangout?
[17:35] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: yep
[18:18] <perrito666> is there a list for the possible agentconfig keys?=
[18:34] <voidspace> g'night all
[18:34] <wwitzel3> nn voidspace
[18:34] <voidspace> o/
[18:38] <perrito666> katco: I was really fearing that was a longer pr :p given the extensive description
[18:38] <katco> perrito666: lol glad to disappoint in that regard :)
[18:38] <katco> perrito666: i like to provide helpful commit messages if i can remember
[18:40]  * katco goes to fix lunch
[20:37] <thumper> cherylj: got a few minutes now?
[20:38] <cherylj> thumper: yes
[20:41] <thumper> niemeyer: hey, you around?
[20:58] <niemeyer> thumper: Here
[21:09] <thumper> cmars: ping
[21:10] <cmars> thumper, pong
[21:10] <thumper> cmars: 'tis our weekly chat time
[21:10] <cmars> thumper, ah right. joining
[21:15] <katco> fwereade: ping, 2015 style.
[21:34] <wallyworld_> alexisb: you free for our QA meeting?
[21:34] <alexisb> wallyworld_, no I have a conflict today
[21:35] <wallyworld_> ok
[22:46] <menn0> wallyworld_: just reviewed http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/678/
[22:46] <menn0> wallyworld_: just a few questions
[22:46] <wallyworld_> \o/ tyvm
[22:47] <wallyworld_> having breakfast, will look soon
[22:48] <menn0> wallyworld_, thumper: there's PR with fixes for the cloudsigma provider up for review. is anyone sheparding that work or should I review it?
[22:49] <thumper> menn0: I think there is someone sheparding it, but I don't recall who
[22:49] <wallyworld_> ditto
[22:49] <menn0> jam?
[22:49] <wallyworld_> wayne maybe
[22:50] <menn0> i'll ask them
[22:50] <perrito666> menn0: thumper its wayne
[22:50] <thumper> perrito666: ta
[22:50] <menn0> perrito666: thanks
[22:50]  * menn0 is glad to dodgy that large review
[22:50]  * perrito666 returned from EOD mode just for that, bye folks
[22:50] <menn0> dodge even
[22:50] <menn0> perrito666: good night


[04:28] <mup> Issue operator#751 opened: Python Error in Deployment <Created by yananthan> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/751>


[21:24] <bcurtiswx> maco, what would be a good ubuntu program that will allow me to draw window mockups
[21:47] <maco> bcurtiswx: dunno. i think canonical tends to use pencil or balsamiq, but they're proprietary & for-pay
[21:48] <maco> bcurtiswx: oh no wait. balsamiq is prop/pay. pencil is a FF addon, so try that
[21:48] <maco> bcurtiswx: http://speckyboy.com/2010/01/11/10-completely-free-wireframe-and-mockup-applications/
[23:02] <crimsun> anyone meeting @ ToI?
[23:04] <julian_c> ... or on here?
[23:07] <crimsun> looks like a no
[23:08] <crimsun> (I'm doing some bug triaging in Debian BTS ATM)


[00:00] <JanC> hm, are you guys talking about he thing marketed as "Unmatched ease of use"?  ;)
[00:01] <bryceh> yeah, what'd be easier is if we didn't have to use it!
[00:02] <bryceh> actually all things considered it isn't too bad
[00:02] <bryceh> one more button to push
[00:05] <JanC> from what i read, it seems like you're mostly lacking SSO support in the OS
[00:06] <JanC> i mean, as a daemon (maybe part of the keyring daemon?)
[00:06] <JanC> or something like that at least
[01:48] <Sarvatt> woohoooooo plymouth was updated, now libdrm is a sync
[01:55] <tjaalton> something to remember when doing backports ;)
[02:00] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt: thanks for all the help!
[02:05] <Sarvatt> Prf_Jakob: no worries man, sorry such an easy thing took so long
[02:05] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: yeah thats the first thing that went through my mind, 2 weeks into quantal and backports are already complicated :)
[04:03] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, i'll get that stable blob into x-updates tomorrow. my box won't upload anything at the moment and i might have to complain to the isp, but i imagine it will be fixed by tomorrow
[04:03] <bjsnider> not that anybody will be using the stable blob
[04:05] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: heck, might as well put 302 if you're doing it and think its better
[04:05] <bjsnider> there have been a couple of bug reports
[04:05] <Sarvatt> i wouldn't put an .07 nvidia driver in there
[04:06] <Sarvatt> usually we get those privately for testing but it was pushed out publically
[04:06] <Sarvatt> 295.07 had so many problems
[04:06] <Sarvatt> but randr is nice :)
[04:07] <bjsnider> i did some work to fix the nvidia-settings scripts and was going to ask ricotz about putting it into xorg-edgers
[04:07] <bjsnider> but i keep missing him
[04:07] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: no worries at all, its very much appreciated that you push anything at all
[04:07] <bjsnider> he apparently has a life after work
[04:07] <Sarvatt> well he lives in germany
[04:08] <Sarvatt> its 6 am there now or something
[04:08] <Sarvatt> i only see ya around late my time so real early morning his time :)
[04:08] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: by all means push whatever you think is appropriate to edgers though
[04:09] <bjsnider> i don't know if the way i've got it hacked is the way alberto would do it
[04:09] <Sarvatt> or send it to tseliot to get it integrated, noone else can really touch any nvidia packages in ubuntu :(
[04:10] <Sarvatt> the one time i did update it i got chewed out for screwing up his git repo and decided not to touch it again :P
[04:12] <Sarvatt> nvidia-settings is open source though, ya might want to talk to aplattner directly
[04:12] <Sarvatt> unless its just packaging
[04:12] <bjsnider> just packaging
[04:13] <bjsnider> things have started building to /usr/local
[04:13] <Sarvatt> he's a good guy, helped me figure out some x-x-v-nv problems with the way we extracted pci ids in the packaging back in the day and convinced him to add fedoras newer gpu support patches
[04:13] <Sarvatt> oh ok
[04:13] <bjsnider> i just did an ugly mv statement to get them in the right spot afterwards
[04:14] <bjsnider> there's got to be a way to build them in the right spot in the first place, but they gutted the main makefile
[04:14] <bjsnider> it used to be deveral dozen lines and now it's 3 i think
[04:42] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: btw vaapi is complete junk in gnome, gnome video playback apps use gconfsink so you can use gstreamer-properties to define the sinks, but gstreamer-vaapi is incompatible with it, no hardware accelerated playback in gnome app works unless you force vaapisink which breaks playback of videos that cant be accelerated
[04:43] <bjsnider> is this gwenole's gstreamer-vaapi?
[04:43] <Sarvatt> figured you might be interested in that nugget of info i spent too long digging into
[04:43] <Sarvatt> yeah
[04:43] <bjsnider> i wasn't aware he'd done any more work on it
[04:43] <bjsnider> last i saw it was ugly
[04:43] <bjsnider> didn't do subtitles either
[04:44] <bjsnider> vaapi should be fine in vlc though
[04:44] <Sarvatt> oh extra fun, i didnt try that
[04:44] <Sarvatt> yeah i use vlc too
[04:44] <Sarvatt> mainly for no hassle hi10p support though :)
[04:45] <bjsnider> i tested that in my new card, which has vdpau feature set d
[04:45] <bjsnider> it errored out
[04:45] <bjsnider> i think it's feature set d
[04:45] <bjsnider> anyway, it's supposed to accelerate 3d
[04:46] <Sarvatt> you mean something might possibly accelerate hi10p? i figured it was years away
[04:46] <bjsnider> i think it was an ffmpeg issue though, i should try it with precuse
[04:48] <Sarvatt> feature set d was 5xx, no way
[04:48] <bjsnider> feature set c accelerates bluray 3d
[04:49] <bjsnider> not sure if that's the same codec
[04:49] <Sarvatt> they wont accelerate hi10p until 30 bit displays are common probably and yeah right
[04:51] <Sarvatt> i need a consumer device like boxee box that accelerates it so i'm screwed, completely done with htpcs in my bedroom
[04:51] <bjsnider> does vaapi work in gnome with the fluendo stuff?
[04:51] <Sarvatt> fluendo vaapi?
[04:51] <bjsnider> yes
[04:52] <Sarvatt> i have no clue but i'll look into it
[04:53] <Sarvatt> only screwed with gstreamer-vaapi thats completely broken with gnome, but it could actually just be a remnant of totem30 still being used...
[04:54] <Sarvatt> its easy to make a gstreamer pipeline that plays back videos accelerated with gstreamer-vaapi but its a no go with totem
[04:54] <bjsnider> latest totem is in the gnome 3 ppa
[04:54] <Sarvatt> arm platforms just force pvrsink and dont care they cant play back divx videos or whatever because bigbuckbunny works full speed
[04:54] <Sarvatt> oh is it?
[04:55] <Sarvatt> sweet
[05:00] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: do you have any clue if the new flash update fixed smurfism on vdpau?
[05:00] <Sarvatt> saw an update come through and was hopeful but couldnt find any info
[05:02] <bjsnider> you're not using vdpau acceleration with flash are you?
[05:02] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: i'm not using nvidia, but people were complaining about the stock crap with the previous flash release
[05:03] <bjsnider> if there are any issues it's probably that they're forcing acceleration even though adobe disabled it
[05:03] <bjsnider> you have to put a file in /etc and whatnot
[05:03] <bjsnider> it causes crashes and problems
[05:03] <Sarvatt> it was busted without fixing things through /etc/adobe crap before
[05:03] <bjsnider> i never had a problem myself
[05:03] <Sarvatt> or maybe i misunderstood
[05:03] <Sarvatt> oh ok
[05:04]  * Sarvatt googles nvidia smurf :P
[05:09] <bjsnider> it was actually a reversal of all red and blue
[05:09] <bjsnider> which made skin blue because ordinarily it was pinkish
[05:10] <bjsnider> but black and white are normal
[05:10] <bjsnider> it was an issue i had a long time ago, but not with flash
[05:11] <Sarvatt> yeah i remember the xv version of it like 2 years ago due to nvidia-settings
[05:15] <bjsnider> i think people avoid those kinds of issues by staying current with hardware
[05:15] <bjsnider> the performance regression in the last blob was only on older chips
[13:09] <mdeslaur> bjsnider, Sarvatt: the flash issue with libvpdau is not resolved with the new version, and is getting hit my all users since flash 11.2 turned on hardware acceleration by default
[13:09] <mdeslaur> bjsnider, Sarvatt: I'm actually thinking about adding this workaround to libvdpau for now: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/vdpau/2012-May/000022.html
[13:10] <mlankhorst> that's so awful..
[13:13] <mlankhorst> I don't see how anyone can add signed-off-by on that
[13:15] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: the fact that it's an ugly workaround, or the "function pointers as global variables" part?
[13:17] <mlankhorst> and wouldn't dlopen(RTLD_NOLOAD, "libflashplayer.so"); be a LOT better way to detect flash?
[13:18] <mlankhorst> mdeslaur: and the fact that it would break when flash is fixed, effectively forcing flash to stay broken
[13:20] <mdeslaur> yeah, it sucks
[13:21] <mdeslaur> damn closed-source software :P
[13:21] <mlankhorst> I really think you have to work with adobe to fix it as soon as possible..
[13:21] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: they know about it, it's all we can do
[13:22] <mlankhorst> I mean, it's such an awful hack that would also make it impossible for adobe to fix it in a future release
[13:22] <mlankhorst> you're probably better off temporarily disabling vdpau :\
[13:23] <mdeslaur> ouch...I don't think I'd like that too much...it would pretty much break my mythtv box :P
[13:24] <mlankhorst> Which would be pretty much just adding VDPAU_DRIVER=null to environment
[13:24] <mlankhorst> for the flash plugin only
[13:24] <mdeslaur> hrm
[13:25] <mlankhorst> (nouveau, r600 and nvidia are already taken as drivers :p)
[13:25] <mdeslaur> hrm, interesting, maybe we can add that to the firefox wrapper
[13:25] <mdeslaur> (LP: #967091 is the bug #)
[13:33] <mlankhorst> Thanks. :-)
[13:34]  * mlankhorst did some work on mesa implementations of vdpau previously
[13:35] <mlankhorst> flash player won't work yet though, it uses an opengl extension that allows vdpau surfaces to be used in opengl
[14:06] <bjsnider> mdeslaur, i'm not sure i agree with you on this
[14:07] <bjsnider> i don't think they ever had any intention of turning on hardware accel by default
[14:07] <bjsnider> it certainly isn't on here
[14:15] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: I can reproduce it at will. I once again just reinstalled a brand-new precise image on my test t61 this morning, and with default settings, as soon as I install libvdpau1, flash colors get inverted
[14:15] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: 11.2 opens libvdpau, 11.1 does not
[15:19] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: welcome back :)
[15:19] <mdeslaur> bjsnider:  in case you didn't get my earlier reply
 bjsnider: I can reproduce it at will. I once again just reinstalled a brand-new precise image on my test t61 this morning, and with default settings, as soon as I install libvdpau1, flash colors get inverted
[15:19] <mdeslaur>  bjsnider: 11.2 opens libvdpau, 11.1 does not
[16:33] <bjsnider> mdeslaur, ok
[16:35] <bjsnider> mdeslaur, please open this link: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=XITHbsUUlYI&fmt=37
[16:35] <bjsnider> switch to 1080p if it isn't already
[16:35] <bjsnider> right click select show video info
[16:35] <bjsnider> accelerated video or software rendering?
[16:50] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: that video is showing up as html5 for me, not flash
[16:50] <bjsnider> well, find one that's 1080p
[16:52] <bjsnider> you might have to opt out of the html5 project for this test
[16:52] <mdeslaur> it's not opt-in anymore, it's by default if the video doesn't contain ads
[16:52] <mdeslaur> I'm trying to find a way to force flash usage
[16:53] <mdeslaur> would 720p be ok?
[16:53] <bjsnider> yes
[16:53] <bjsnider> strange that it's flash for me but not you
[16:54] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: with 11.1, I'm getting "software video rendering, software video decoding". With 11.2, I'm getting "accelerated video rendering, software video decoding"
[16:55] <bjsnider> ok, describe the process you used to install flash please
[16:55] <mdeslaur> apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[16:55] <bjsnider> ok
[16:55] <bjsnider> now if you right-click on the video and select settings
[16:55] <mdeslaur> in this case, I've removed the flash packages entirely, and am copying libflashxyz.so into ~/.mozilla/plugins
[16:56] <bjsnider> can you uncheck enable hardware acceleration?
[16:56] <mdeslaur> "Enable hardware acceleration" is checked both in 11.1 and 11.2
[16:57] <mdeslaur> no, I can't uncheck it...that's another flash bug since 11.x
[16:57] <bjsnider> odd
[16:57] <bjsnider> none of this is happening for me
[16:57] <mdeslaur> flash's settings window doesn't respond to mouse events with a compositing window manager
[16:57] <bjsnider> i can check it or uncheck it
[16:57] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: are you running compiz?
[16:57] <bjsnider> no, i am running mutter
[16:57] <bjsnider> maybe that's the difference
[16:58] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: that's probably why
[16:58] <bjsnider> can you try using gnome-shell?
[16:58] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: how do I install gnome-shell?
[16:58] <bjsnider> apt-get install gnome-shell
[16:58] <mdeslaur> ok, one sec
[16:58] <bjsnider> log out, change session to gnome
[16:58] <bjsnider> log in
[16:59] <bjsnider> and mutter does compositing, i assure you
[16:59] <mdeslaur> yes, I know
[16:59] <mdeslaur> it's a bug with compiz and with metacity when compositing is enabled
[16:59] <bjsnider> at least that's oen difference between our two environments
[17:02] <mdeslaur> ok, 11.1 is ok, 11.2 has inverted colors, but disabling the hardware rendering checkbox disables it and fixes the inverted colors
[17:03] <bjsnider> and you can uncheck that box in gnome-shell?
[17:03] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: yes
[17:03] <bjsnider> ok, try this
[17:03] <bjsnider> create the file /etc/adobe/mms.cfg
[17:04] <bjsnider> inside it put EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0
[17:04] <bjsnider> then go back into compiz
[17:06] <mdeslaur> EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0 still gives me inverted colors in gnome-sheel
[17:06] <mdeslaur> trying compiz now
[17:06] <bjsnider> wel, i'm interested in whether gpu acceleration is turned off by default
[17:06] <mdeslaur> still have inverted colors in compiz
[17:06] <mdeslaur> nope, still says "Accelerated video rendering"
[17:08] <bjsnider> i must just be lucky or something, because it's always disabled for me
[17:08] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/967091/comments/9 for the other option combinations I've tried
[17:08] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: you probably have a chip that is in the blacklist
[17:09] <bjsnider> the wrong tint is caused by the use of gpu accel, so it's fixed by turning it off
[17:09] <bjsnider> well, my chip is very new
[17:09] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: yes, and the only way to do that is with the option in the settings panel
[17:09] <bjsnider> adobe can fix this bug easily by turning off gpu accel
[17:10] <bjsnider> and never turning it back on
[17:10] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: yep, they can....or by inverting the colors :)
[17:10] <bjsnider> i doubt anyone would want vdpau with flash since it crashes xorg
[17:11] <bjsnider> the inversion of red and blue is just the mildest consequence
[17:11] <mdeslaur> well, tell that to adobe so they revert their 11.2 code :P
[17:11] <bjsnider> it isn't just blue faces it's red and blue inverted
[17:11] <bjsnider> water is red
[17:11] <mdeslaur> yep
[17:11] <mdeslaur> the whole point of 11.2 was to finally get hardware assisted video working on linux :P
[17:12] <mdeslaur> ok, gotta go...bbl
[17:13] <bjsnider> i guess you'll just have to use gnome-shell like all the rest of us cool people
[17:15] <mdeslaur> ugh, no, the 4 seconds was enough to remind me why unity rocks :)
[17:15] <mdeslaur> bjsnider: nice try though :)
[17:40] <bjsnider> i'm a paid gnome-shell lobbyist
[18:35] <mlankhorst> bjsnider: >:D
[18:45] <mdeslaur> hehe ;)
[18:47] <mlankhorst> mdeslaur: except they haven't realized how fickly hardware decoding is with nvidia..
[18:47] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: yeah...I'm still not sure what we should do at this point (if anything)
[18:48] <mlankhorst> I'm serious though, mplayer has the same issues if you toggle compositing on and off with vdpau
[18:48] <mlankhorst> I don't think vdpau decoding is enabled by default in mplayer
[18:49] <mlankhorst> also detection of interlaced video is pretty much non-existant..
[18:50] <mlankhorst> mplayer could, but doesn't, handle it :/
[19:33] <bjsnider> i don't have that problem with mplayer
[19:33] <bjsnider> i haven't had blue/red reversal issues for years
[20:17] <dzragon> Have a problem that aint a bug. Alteast to my knowledge. I cant get more than 60hz on my screen (Syncmaster 2233rz 120hz). Have tried some stuff from ze Google, like using "compizconfig settings manager" to untick "sens refreshrate automatically" and then changing it to different values, 75, 85 and 120, to no avail. And I have tried to change xorg.conf but the guides i manage to get from Google-searches dont do anything for me, i cant t
[20:17] <dzragon> ranslate it to what I need for my setup (Syncmaster 2233rz, Geforce 460 1gb), and if i "sudo nvidia-settings" and then click 120hz (which shows up in the list of refreshrates) the screen only shortly blinks but then still doesnt change, still at 60hz according to my screens OSD and to my headache :S. Anyone?
[20:19] <dzragon> I read the topic. Hoping i wont get flamed or anything. Figured the only bug in this is my brain.
[21:00] <bjsnider> dzragon, you shouldn't need to run nvidia-settings in sudo to change the refresh rate
[21:00] <bjsnider> i would check dmesg and .xsession-errors for output when you try to change the refresh rate
[21:01] <bjsnider> also you could start nvidia-settings from the console to see if stdout tells you anything
[21:12] <dzragon> bjsnider: i will try to do what you said, thanks for the reply


[15:22] <xu-irc77c> Hello, just a short answer: if I install xubuntu 18.04, can I update Xfce to latest main version (4.16)? Or is it limited by the version of xubuntu?
[15:22] <zazzi10> Hi everyone..I just installed Ubuntu "focal pit" on an iMac..It works perfectly but the Wifi does not recognize me .. it makes me connect only with the network cable..can anyone help me?
[15:23] <zazzi10> Sorry its "focal fossa"
[15:24] <Maik> xu-irc77c: 18.04 goes EOL in April
[15:25] <Maik> so i'd go for 20.04 LTS or 20.10 or wait for 21.04
[15:27] <xu-irc77c> Thanks, I know, would not be a problem (offline use mostly).
[15:27] <xu-irc77c> But I'm interested in Xfce 4.16.
[15:27] <xu-irc77c> Version 20.04 could be too heavy on a Celeron and 2 GB RAM (not possible to upgrade, limited by laptop hardware).
[15:37] <Maik> xu-irc77c: 32 bit?
[15:38] <Maik> if so, 32 bit isn't provided anymore. It's 64 bit only from 20.04 onward
[15:39] <Maik> and i don't think you can get Xfce 4.16 on 18.04
[15:41] <xu-irc77c> the CPU works with 64 bit
[15:41] <xu-irc77c> I have tested some 64 bit OS (win and linux)
[15:41] <xu-irc77c> I will try both 18.04 and if update to 4.16 doesn.t work, I'll try 20.04; I just found instructions here:
[15:41] <xu-irc77c> https://itbeginner.net/upgrade-xfce-4-10-4-12-xubuntu.html
[16:06] <zazzi10> Hi everyone..I just installed Ubuntu "focal pit" on an iMac..It works perfectly but the Wifi does not recognize me .. it makes me connect only with the network cable..can anyone help me?
[16:06] <zazzi10> Sorry its "focal fossa"
[16:23] <diogenes_> zazzi10, run: inxi -Nc0 | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:23] <diogenes_> share the url.
[16:35]  * foss slaps /me around a bit with a large trout
[17:02] <zazzi10> Hi everyone..I just installed Ubuntu "focal pit" on an iMac..It works perfectly but the Wifi does not recognize me .. it makes me connect only with the network cable..can anyone help me?
 zazzi10, run: inxi -Nc0 | nc termbin.com 9999
 share the url.
[17:21] <zazzi10> nc: getaddrinfo for host "termbin.com" port 9999: Temporary failure in nome resolution
[17:24] <diogenes_> zazzi10, just pastebin the output of: inxi -Nc0
[17:40] <zazzi10> Device-1: Broadcom and subsidiaries Nextreme BCM57766 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe
[17:40] <zazzi10> Driver:tg3
[17:42] <zazzi10> Device-2: Broadcom and subsidiaries BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n
[17:43] <zazzi10> Driver: bcma-pci-bridge
[17:43] <zazzi10> sorry but I have to copy because I write from the phone
[17:45] <zazzi10> unfortunately I cannot connect with an Ethernet cable from the pc
[17:46] <diogenes_> zazzi10, use tethering
[17:50] <zazzi10> Wifi does not work and I do not have the cable to connect the cell to the pc
[17:53] <zazzi10> however if I install Ubuntu on this Imax everything works .. if I switch to Xubuntu the wifi does not work
[17:53] <zazzi10> iMac
[17:54] <diogenes_> the same kernel version?
[17:55] <diogenes_> btw you can install ubuntu and xubuntu-desktop
[17:57] <zazzi10> Focal fossa
[17:57] <zazzi10> in fact I was thinking of solving like this
[17:59] <zazzi10> Kernel 5.8.0-43-generic
[18:02] <diogenes_> if both Ubuntu and Xubuntu have the same kernel versions then it should work.
[18:08] <zazzi10> ok thanks .. I'll try
[18:39] <xu-irc86w> If anyone can, please pass it on to the developers. If you select the ZFS option (in 20.04), then a memory leak occurs
[18:44] <xtao> are you sure it's a memory leak and not just the fact ZFS uses an ARC cache where it tries to use most of the free memory as a file cache
[19:01] <xu-irc86w> Honestly not, but all processes are duplicated several times. Immediately after launch, the system consumes almost 2GB. I played GTA 5 yesterday and the browser was open (several tabs) and literally 2 hours later it took 20GB
[19:02] <xu-irc86w> Without it, even 10GB does not take
[19:20] <xu-irc86w> And even after closing these programs, the memory is not released.
[19:29] <xu-irc86w> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/715531737957924964/817776774355746847/unknown.png?width=689&height=389
[19:30] <xu-irc86w> The example is not very good, but this is what is left after finding the problem.


[02:28] <_Fanfare_> no one here?
[02:36] <ToddBrandt> Hi KyleN, sorry I didn't get your message earlier
[02:36] <ToddBrandt> There are currently 9 of them in there, and they come straight from gnome-control-center
[02:36] <ToddBrandt> Network Proxy, About Me, Background Properties, Font, Menu & Toolbars, Screen Resolution, Sound Properties, Keybindings, and Keybord Properties
[09:03] <Mithrandir> mjg59: oh, shiny.
[06:11] <ziritrion> hiya
[06:11] <ziritrion> anyone?
[06:13] <ziritrion> ...
[06:14] <ziritrion> k, I'll be back some other time


[10:59] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:06] <philipballew> aloha czajkowski !
[11:07] <czajkowski> this ubuntu app showdown is causing some people grief
[11:07] <czajkowski> seeing people have issues with quickly
[11:07] <nigelb> ouch
[11:07] <philipballew> Ive herd. I have never used the app. but it seems like its a great app.
[11:07] <czajkowski> and a  lot seem to be very confused with a ppa :/ lp users mail has been very active this week
[11:08] <philipballew> Youd think using ubuntu you would know what a ppa is
[11:09] <philipballew> I have seen many people asking questions for this on askubuntu
[12:18] <popey> czajkowski, i wouldn't call one thread "very active" :)
[12:20] <czajkowski> popey: they also use the contact the team
[12:20] <czajkowski> which goes to admins :)
[12:20] <popey> silly rabbits
[12:20] <czajkowski> indeed
[12:20] <czajkowski> how was the bock bock
[12:22]  * czajkowski is heading to one of Gordon Ramsays restaurants today for lunch :D
[12:25] <popey> not had it yet
[12:25] <popey> tea time
[12:28] <czajkowski> ah I see
[12:28] <czajkowski> popey: collected the new addition yet?
[12:28] <popey> not until its 10 weeks
[13:07] <jokerdino> ping popey, where do i find that mass ppa purge tool of yours?
[13:07] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/purgealltheppas
[13:08] <jokerdino> thanks
[13:08] <popey> np
[13:11] <nigelb> meme_for_app_name++
[13:16] <popey> :)
[13:16] <popey> patches welcome
[13:18] <jokerdino> popey: consider making a deb file xD
[13:18] <popey> in a ppa? :)
[13:18] <jokerdino> yep :P
[13:19] <jokerdino> _runs_
[13:19] <nigelb> popey: wait, does installing your ppa also remove the ppa for your app? :D
[13:20] <popey> i think you could argue it should
[13:20] <popey> the whole point of purging is to get rid of them
[13:20] <popey> and once you have got rid of them, you dont need the script anymore
[13:21] <nigelb> yeah, that's what I thought too.
[13:23] <jokerdino> anyway, i thought of an idea of removing packages that are only available in ppa.
[13:23] <jokerdino> remove the ppa, update apt and then figure out the packages that doesn't have installable candidate
[16:38] <jcastro> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23151384.jpg
[16:38] <nigelb> jcastro++
[17:04] <cjohnston> howdy
[18:41] <mhall119> wow, 82 submissions so far for the Ubuntu App Showdown
[18:42] <mhall119> jokerdino: ppa-purge is what you want
[19:06] <jcastro> mhall119: _what_?
[19:06] <jcastro> 82?!?!
[20:38] <mhall119> jcastro: more than that now
[20:41] <mhall119> 87 now
[20:41] <mhall119> we may top 100 before the deadline
[20:42] <nigelb_> hi
[20:43] <mhall119> hey nigelb_
[20:43] <nigelb_> bah, why am I underscored.
[20:43] <mhall119> not identified?
[20:43] <mhall119> no, you're identified...
[20:43] <mhall119> connected twice?
[20:43] <cjohnston> an imposter..
[20:43] <nigelb> aha.
[20:44] <nigelb> I reconnected and "nigelb" was locked for a bit.
[20:53] <popey> mhall119, mine might be ready at the last minute :D
[20:53] <popey> i have a problem though.. with a lens.. it says [All] in the filter, but I dont want to use that word, is that hard-coded do you know mhall119 ?
[20:54] <popey> https://launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping is our attempt at a useful lens
[20:54] <mhall119> popey: that's part of the Dash, you can't change that
[20:54] <jcastro> mhall119: where do you see the list of incoming apps
[20:54] <popey> it looks up your country and tries to figure out which store to search
[20:54] <jcastro> is it a certain url?
[20:54] <popey> but if you're in (for example) mexico, there is no "Amazon MX" so we force it to amazon US..
[20:54] <popey> but if you want to, you can override it in the filter..
[20:54] <mhall119> jcastro: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/arb/ has all the ARB's apps, not all of those are for the showdown
[20:54] <popey> to UK, JP, CA or whatever
[20:55] <popey>  but if you dont specifically choose one, you get "All" which is a bit of a lie, because the backend doesn't search "all" stores, just one, based on your locale..
[20:55] <popey> trying to figure out the best way to represent that in a filter.. suggestions welcome! :D
[20:56] <jcastro> mhall119: man that is sweet dude
[20:56] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/filters.png
[20:56] <popey> ^^ is what it looks like
[20:57] <paultag> mhall119: but alas, you have you have yet to get a lackie to write my politics lens :)
[20:57] <popey> i have a limited number of lackies
[20:58] <mhall119> paultag: I keep telling you I'm not important enough to have lackies
[20:58] <paultag> lies
[20:58] <paultag> ;)
[20:58] <mhall119> you're the Debian big-shot, shouldn't you have your own?
[20:58] <paultag> I do have a few, but none who would write a unity lens
[20:58] <mhall119> :P
[21:00] <popey> pffft
[21:00] <popey> if _I_ can write a unity lens, anyone can!
[21:00] <mhall119> jcastro: 89 :)
[21:02] <paultag> popey: it's not in Debian :)
[21:02] <paultag> popey: and since debian lackies run Debian, alas, no hope
[21:02] <mhall119> paultag: port it!
[21:02] <paultag> no wayyyy
[21:02] <paultag> it's unusable to me
[21:02] <paultag> I refuse to maintain it :)
[21:02] <mhall119> Ubuntu lackies write stuff for Debian all the time
[21:02] <paultag> sure
[21:02] <paultag> because you can use Debian stuff in Ubuntu
[21:02] <paultag> plus I'm as much Ubuntu as I am Debian
[21:03] <mhall119> Debian never downstreams *anything*
[21:03] <mhall119> ;)
[21:03] <paultag> hahhaa :)
[21:03] <cjohnston> lol
[21:07] <popey> I'd love to see unity in debian
[21:07] <popey> now is the best time to do it
[21:07] <popey> given we have 5.12 in 12.04 LTS
[21:09] <nigelb> except debian's in freeze.
[21:17] <paultag> yep
[21:17] <paultag> and it'd become unmaintained
[21:18] <paultag> since unity authors likely have no interest in maintaining it in Debian
[21:19] <mhall119> paultag: have you asked the unity authors?
[21:25] <paultag> mhall119: I have no interest in it, I don't like unity -- like, at all :)
[21:26] <popey> my team is responsible for releasing unity. I'd love for them to release to an open minded debian
[21:27] <paultag> popey: I'd be willing to sponsor a well-maintained and well formated (and un-gnome-brekey) Unity, but I won't be doing any work on it
[21:27] <paultag> I don't use it, and I can't see myself ever using it
[21:27] <popey> yes, I think you've made that point quite clear a few times
[21:27] <paultag> but if you need someone to review it, sure. I just won't be the one to do it :)
[21:58] <paultag> ← gone
[22:16] <mhall119> jcastro: 91
[22:17] <mhall119> almost every time I go back to my inbox there are 2 more submissions
[22:21] <nigelb> mhall119: heh, remember I talked about Flask at UDS?
[22:21] <nigelb> *UDS-O
[22:21] <nigelb> The author of Flask, Armin Ronacher, is an Ubuntu member. TIL.
[22:24] <mhall119> nigelb: yeah, I remember
[22:24] <mhall119> did he just become a member?
[22:24] <nigelb> Nope, since 2010 or so.
[22:24] <nigelb> er, 2005.
[22:24] <mhall119> oh wow, long-time member
[22:26] <nigelb> yeah!
[23:06] <jokerdino> mhall119: aye, i did use ppa-purge. i was just thinking of some other crazy idea. ;-)
[23:08] <jokerdino> btw, I totally didn't know nigelb was Nigel Babu. *goes crazy*.
[23:08] <nigelb> lol
[23:08] <jokerdino> howdy sir!
[23:09] <nigelb> Howdy! :)
[23:12] <jokerdino> so, you are up all night then?
[23:13] <nigelb> Going to bed shortly, I hope :)
[23:13] <jokerdino> haha, i am going off to exam later today :-)
[23:13] <nigelb> I've been up doing refactoring on a project
[23:13] <jokerdino> ah, that explains.
[23:14] <nigelb> The test refuse to pass on travis, works great locally.
[23:15] <jokerdino> sounds like a fun thing to fix :)
[23:16] <nigelb> I'm going to give this 30 minutes more and then give up :P
[23:16] <mhall119> w 59
[23:16] <jokerdino> nigelb: 30 minutes is enough you think?
[23:16] <jokerdino> what's that number Mr Hall?
[23:16] <nigelb> jokerdino: Nope. It's timeboxing.
[23:17] <nigelb> If this is not fixed in another 30 minutes, I'm going to ask my boss to take a look tomorrow.
[23:17] <jokerdino> ah right then.
[23:21] <jokerdino> time to leave for school now. see ya later everyone!
[23:27] <nigelb> laters!
[23:42] <bkerensa> mhall119: is the heat still pounding the east coast? :D
[23:44] <cjohnston> it was pretty hot out there today
[23:44] <cjohnston> but i think up north its worse


[20:28] <mup> Bug #1432421 was opened: vivid local failed to retrieve the template to clone <deploy> <local-provider> <vivid> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1432421>


[09:46] <classicsnail> updating mirror.aarnet.edu.au's stats, the highest I can go is 20Gbps - the service itself will deliver 50Gbps
[10:14] <cjwatson> classicsnail: can you file a bug report on https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad, please?
[21:04] <hloeung> classicsnail: oh wow, nice. I'd say file a bug against the Launchpad project itself to bump that bit to allow 50Gbps and above


[01:54] <cprofitt> doctormo, have we set a new meeting date?
[02:19] <pleia2> k, next meeting planned
[02:22] <pleia2> oh wait, that's the 4th, and jam weekend
[02:22] <doctormo> pleia2: call it a jam session
[02:23] <pleia2> hehe
[02:24] <doctormo> pleia2: what are your thoughts on the submitted images?
[02:25] <pleia2> doctormo: I'm on vacation, I'll look when I return
[02:25]  * pleia2 leaves again


[00:27] <bazhang> tell me the portable app cmd line plz
[06:11] <wxl> it has been brought to the attention of the lococouncil that #ubuntu-eg's topic needs to be updated. admittedly, this is the sign of a larger problem, but any chance we can remove the mention of a specific ubutnu release version?
[06:14] <dax> I note that #ubuntu-eg has one human on the access list, who was active < 2d ago and was in the channel at that time
[06:14] <dax> this is an IRCC thing not a me thing, but just throwing that out there in passing
[06:14] <wxl> sure sure
[06:14] <wxl> IRCC better to go to -admin?
[06:15] <dax> hrm?
[06:15] <wxl> best way to reach IRCC? don't tell me not on IRC XD
[06:16] <elky> #ubuntu-admin doesn't exist.
[06:16] <dax> i usually find that throwing something across the room helps
[06:16] <dax> oh hi IRCC person
[06:16]  * wxl meant admins
[06:16]  * wxl sighs
[06:17] <dax> #ubuntu-irc-council. or here (especially since elky seems to be active). or #ubuntu-ops-team.
[06:17] <dax> or #ubuntu-irc
[06:17] <elky> more to the point actually it does exist but is empty
[06:17] <wxl> ah that's what i mean
[06:17] <wxl> sheesh
[06:17] <wxl> elky: shall i move this convo somewhere else?
[06:17] <elky> and #ubuntu-admins doesn't exist at all ?
[06:18] <dax> i think the tone here is "confused" and not the "annoyed" that you seem to be interpreting it as
[06:18] <wxl> yes yes
[06:18] <wxl> i'm sleepy, forgive me
[06:18] <elky> so am i
[06:18] <dax> oh, and just for completeness, if you meant canonical-sysadmins or whatever it's called, they are entirely unrelated :3
[06:19] <elky> what is the full name of the channel you were trying to get me to go to with -admin?
[06:19] <elky> oh
[06:19] <wxl> no where
[06:19] <wxl> i meant #ubuntu-ops-team
[12:00] <bazhang> altering the sudoers without visudo
 EriC^^:  root@kali:/# groups tradmin tradmin
[12:07] <bazhang> is that a kali install
[16:14] <dax> 12:00 <+bazhang> altering the sudoers without visudo
[16:14]  * dax cries
[16:33]  * genii slides the tissues over
 i think i have to go to the  fedora
[23:38] <bazhang> the new 'back to windows'
[23:42] <bazhang> is this a need the newest glibc type deal
[23:42] <bazhang> 'it will fix my wifi'
[23:42] <hggdh> oh
[23:43] <bazhang> but here it's some android emulator
[23:43]  * dax stabs ChanServ
[23:46] <ikonia> people just give totally unacceptable help
[23:46] <ikonia> not in the mood, good night
[23:47] <bazhang> xenial for trusty
[23:47] <bazhang> thats gonna leave a mark!
[23:47] <valorie> ha!
[23:56] <bazhang> installed fglrx on it
[23:56] <bazhang> this just got ten times worse


[16:44] <nessita> ralsina: es sábado?!?!?!?
[17:32] <Stefanos90>  hello, i am synching ubuntu one, and have a problem, it is stuck... my files aren't synching  it says synchronization in progres, my files are 80 kb and it still isn't done


[01:12] <Seveas> Does launchpad provide a possibility to receive support requests per mail?
[07:18] <jsgotangco> jblack, you got pay per view?
[07:20] <jblack> jsgotangco: Why?
[07:21] <jsgotangco> jblack, just wondering if you got to watch the fight (morales/pacquaio 2)
[07:21] <jblack> yeah. I watched it
[07:21] <jblack> Oh, no, not the second one.
[07:21] <jblack> Who won?
[07:21] <jsgotangco> pacman
[07:21] <jsgotangco> tko 10
[07:21] <jblack> really!
[07:21] <jsgotangco> he decked morales twice
[07:23] <jblack> I think I'm going to bed. I'm not feeling well
[07:23] <Mez> jblack: ping
[07:24] <Mez> o_O
[07:26] <jsgotangco> later jblack rest well
[08:24] <Dirty_Harry> What's up? It's quiet
[08:28] <Dirty_Harry> ping
[08:36] <Dirty_Harry> /
[08:40] <Mez> hmm - LP timing out on changing an emblem
[08:40] <Mez> any idea?
[08:48] <lifeless> librarian could be down I guess
[10:35] <zyga> anyone around?
[10:35] <zyga> I'm trying to get into dapper's xchat-gnome template for polish but I cannot find any
[10:37] <jamesh> zyga: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/xchat-gnome/+pots/xchat-gnome/pl/+translate
[10:38] <zyga> jamesh: thanks, why isn't it listed on the big list page for pl?
[10:38] <zyga> I thought this bug was fixed ages ago
[10:41] <jamesh> zyga: is polish selected as one of your languages on https://launchpad.net/rosetta/prefs ?
[10:41] <zyga> jamesh: checking
[10:42] <zyga> jamesh: yes it is
[10:44] <zyga> jamesh: I usually look for templates on this page: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/pl
[10:44] <zyga> it just got added after I visited the link you've sent ime
[10:45] <jamesh> zyga: I believe there is a bug open about that.
[10:45] <jamesh> zyga: you should see polish here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/xchat-gnome/+translations
[10:46] <jamesh> (if it is selected as a preferred language)
[10:46] <zyga> jamesh: it works now, it seems that visiting that link has created the template
[10:46] <zyga> I'm listed as the creator
[10:49] <zyga> jamesh: strange
[10:49] <zyga> jamesh: I wanted to fix a bug in the translation
[10:49] <zyga> jamesh: some messages seem to have  been incorrectly tagged as utf-8 while being latin-2 (comon issue)
[10:50] <zyga> jamesh: so if there are some translations, why wasn't the template page created automatically...
[10:51] <zyga> I need to find carlos :/
[10:57] <zyga> does carlos come here on weekends?
[11:26] <stgraber> Need support on #pr3dators-klan.com after Quakenet probs on #pr3dators-klan.et ... (sorry for amsg and ad)
[11:27] <stgraber> sorry, this message was for qnet only
[11:33] <zyga> any rosetta devs around?
[12:01] <sivang> howdy all
[12:07] <jb-home> Looking at Bug 29290 - jamesh identifies it as an untrapped duplicate key failure.  The other half of the question I guess should be a support request - how, then, do I target a bug to a particular version of software in Dapper?
[12:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29290: "OOPS-21D227 received while trying to target a bug" Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/29290
[12:07] <jb-home> Do you guys look at the support requests at all, or is it best to ask in here for things like this?
[12:08] <jamesh> jb-home: we don't have per-package milestones at the moment
[12:08] <jamesh> which is essentially what you want
[12:08] <lifeless> wheeeooo
[12:09] <lifeless> love those 1/2 hour to write emails.
[12:09] <sivang> lifeless: 1/2? that must be a long email..
[12:09] <lifeless> actually, wow. more like an hour
[12:09] <lifeless> sivang: extending the transaction api in bzr
[12:09] <jb-home> jamesh: Ah, okay.  So I've just included the text "dapper" and "0.9-0ubuntu1" in the body of the message then, and this is best practice for now?
[12:10] <lifeless> finally figured out what had me spooked about some of the adhoc patches
[12:10] <zyga> any devs around?
[12:10] <jamesh> jb-home: there is an item in the actions portlet "target fix to releases"
[12:10] <lifeless> zyga: FSVO yes
[12:10] <zyga> I'd like to raise the issue of common problems t
[12:11] <sivang> lifeless: ah, figures then you'll probbly need more then one or two long emails , if your going to extend an api :-)
[12:11] <zyga> I'd like to raise the issue of common problems due to invalid content encoding in .po files
[12:11] <jamesh> jb-home: you can target it at Dapper there, which will open another bug task (enabling you to track the bug in each of the releases it needs to be fixed int)
[12:11] <lifeless> sivang: mainly I needed time doing nothing else to work through the issues
[12:11] <jb-home> jamesh: I saw that, but it looked like something as the reporter I should never set (It's not up to me to say where something *must* be fixed.  It's only up to me to say where it's broken.)
[12:11] <lifeless> so that I can explain why I was going 'No, dont do that' to people, when what they wanted sounded reasonable on the surface
[12:11] <lifeless> we have some pretty high goals for bzr in a technical sense
[12:12] <jamesh> jb-home: okay, so you want to say "this bug occurs in 0.9-0ubuntu1"
[12:12] <jb-home> jamesh: Right.  Or at a minimum, this bug occurs in dapper.
[12:12] <zyga> I'd like to propose a system for rosetta that would preprocess all incoming files to determine the true encoding, if not set correctly and re-encode to unicode
[12:12] <jamesh> jb-home: we _do_ have something in the data model to handle this (bug infestations), but we don't have any UI for it
[12:12] <jb-home> jamesh: But it started as at a specific version, and it seems like useful metadata.
[12:12] <zyga> I'm working on a reference implementation that targets common errors in polish templates
[12:13] <sivang> lifeless: interesting. Is there anything documented online about it? (could be a nice way to learn just about more bits about bzr)
[12:13] <jb-home> jamesh: Fair enough.  Is there anything I can usefully capture in an enhancement bug report from this conversation?
[12:13] <jamesh> jb-home: sure. The bug infestation idea is to be able to attach metadata to the bug like "occurs in version X.Y" or "does not occur in version X.Y+1"
[12:13] <lifeless> sivang: well, theres the bzrlib.transactions api, theres my new email about it
[12:14] <jamesh> and be able to use that data to narrow down problems
[12:14] <jamesh> but there is no UI for that (there is just a table definition at the moment, iirc)
[12:14] <zyga> any hints on who should I contact?
[12:14] <jb-home> Ah!  I see it here as #424
[12:15] <jamesh> jb-home: so at the moment, including it as a comment is probably best
[12:17] <lifeless> lists.canonical.com
[12:17] <lifeless> bazaar-ng is the lsit
[12:20] <jb-home> jamesh: Thanks.
[12:21] <lifeless> jb-home: btw
[12:21] <lifeless> we can just about fix the versioning on the bzr packages
[12:22] <lifeless> this is a reminder to switch to ~ for 8
[12:22] <jb-home> lifeless: Thanks for the reminder.
[12:23] <lifeless> np
[12:41] <jb-home> Where's the right place to report bugs on the bugzilla migration?
[12:42] <lifeless> jamesh:
[12:42] <jsgotangco> malone?
[12:44] <jb-home> jsgotangco: Do you know against which product?
[12:45] <jsgotangco> well you can probably file it to malone itself
[12:47] <lifeless> there is a launchpad product
[12:47] <lifeless> but jamesh is the person to chat with
[12:48] <jb-home> 'kay.  I'll wait a bit to see if he resurfaces.
[12:48] <jb-home> lifeless: I wasn't sure about the launchpad product, since it's not launchpad that has the bug.
[12:48] <jb-home> lifeless: Thanks!
[12:50] <lifeless> np
[12:52] <Mez> how often does launchpad like - see what packages are available
[12:53] <jamesh> jb-home: what is the problem?
[12:53] <Mez> lol - cause it's still showing old versions of packages and stuff
[12:53] <jb-home> jamesh: I have two things that have come up:
[12:54] <jb-home> 1) bugzilla doesn't appear to be read only, and I got a new comment filed on an existing bug.
[12:54] <jb-home> (18157)
[12:54] <jb-home> 2) Malone bug#24190 was correctly imported, but doesn't show up on my list of reported bugs.
[12:54] <jamesh> jb-home: that would be an RT request.  We can probably make the database readonly at the moment
[12:55] <jb-home> jamesh: I think it probably also means another import run. =(
[12:55] <jb-home> jamesh: I pretty much only happened to notice this one, but generally I have bugzilla mail disabled.
[12:55] <jamesh> jb-home: that's a little difficult.
[12:55] <jb-home> So people could be commenting on existing bugs and I'd have no way of knowing about it, and the data won't be in malone.
[12:56] <jamesh> jb-home: I'm guessing some existing login sessions are active (we disabled login for all existing accounts)
[12:57] <jamesh> jb-home: your (2) is https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+bug/4201
[12:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 4201: "Bugs with NeedInfo status should be displayed on open bugs query." Fix req. for: malone (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Needs Info
[12:58] <jb-home> jamesh: Ah, no wonder the keywords I guessed didn't give me the bug. =)
[12:59] <jb-home> Right, 4201 definetly looks like what I'm hitting here.
[01:00] <jb-home> So I only have one data loss issue, not two. =P
[01:01] <jamesh> for (1), we probably want to do a "delete from logincookies" on the bugzilla DB
[01:01] <jamesh> we don't currently have the ability to do incremental comment imports from bugzilla though.
[01:02] <jamesh> the script I wrote was for a one-off import
[01:02] <jb-home> Ugh.
[01:02] <jb-home> Is there any way to do a system-wide query to see how much data is being lost?
[01:02] <jb-home> If it's just a dozen or so, those folks can be contacted to file the data in the right place.
[01:02] <jb-home> Otherwise it might be worth developing the scripts to do it.
[01:03] <jamesh> there is a date associated with each comment.  We could probably tell how many comments have been made.
[01:04] <jb-home> jamesh: Is there anything useful I can add to this?
[01:51] <eldiablo> buonciorno
[01:51] <eldiablo> ciao
[07:39] <muadda> We cannot yet use launchpad to browse Debian bugs ?
[08:02] <zyga> hello
[08:14] <mdke> muadda, no, debian doesn't use launchpad
[08:15] <muadda> mdke, malone/launchpad cannot look bugs in the debian BTS database?
[08:16] <mdke> muadda, no
[08:17] <muadda> If a project has already a bugzilla and want to keep its bugzilla... can malone communicate with this bugzilla ?
[08:22] <mdke> muadda, I don't know, i don't think so. What do you mean by communicate?
[08:25] <muadda> I'm trying to understand the malone concept ;) If I report a bug on malone and I click on the "Request fix Upstream" link, malone may know the upstream bugzilla and automatically open the bug on the upstream bugzilla. Can malone do that ?
[08:26] <muadda> and if upstream authors add some comments on their bugzilla, these comments may be available on the malone page (?)
[08:40] <mdke> muadda, the idea is that if the upstream project uses malone too, the bug can be reported there. If it doesn't, the Request fix Upstream is pretty useless right now, afaik
[08:41] <muadda> mdke, ok, I understand better now. Thanks
[08:42] <mdke> muadda, np, lots of people are confused by that. Because it is confusing :)