[14:16] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +221 cases (now 1.6 million), +5 deaths (now 27912), +17231 tests (now 10.6 million) since 19 hours ago


[23:38] <Salt> does anyone have an ubuntu tablet and is going to be lfnw? >_>
[23:39] <bkerensa> Salt: you mean a Nexus 7 running Ubuntu?
[23:39] <Salt> http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet
[23:39] <bkerensa> yeah so Nexus 7 or 10 with Ubuntu Touch on it then
[23:40] <Salt> yea
[23:40] <bkerensa> maybe Rick Spencer might have one he is VP of Engineering at Canonical and will be there
[23:40] <bkerensa> I quickly got Ubuntu Touch off my phone and tablet ;)
[23:40] <bkerensa> its demoware at this point
[23:41] <Salt> yeah, just thinking about if/what the demo machine will be
[23:41] <bkerensa> ahh
[23:41] <bkerensa> :D
[23:41] <bkerensa> a laptop running Ubuntu? :)
[23:41] <bkerensa> valorie: you bringing a machine up?
[23:42] <Salt> I have an old old eee that'll have it if nothing else
[23:42] <valorie> I can bring 3 lappies if necessary
[23:42] <valorie> 2 bigguns and my netbook
[23:43] <Salt> we don't have THAT much table space :P but would be nice to see something
[23:43] <valorie> all three will have the newest kubuntu, but we can easily add unity to one if you want
[23:43] <valorie> well, my main one is for ME
[23:43] <Salt> yeah, i want to display vanilla
[23:43] <valorie> the other two are test boxes
[23:43] <valorie> ok, I'll make sure to install that before heading north
[23:44] <Salt> excellent
[23:44] <valorie> tablet with touch will be awesome
[23:44] <valorie> I've not been able to play with any of that yet
[23:44] <valorie> son has one, but last I heard hadn't put anything but stock on it
[23:45] <valorie> so excited for lfnw this year!
[23:45] <Salt> :D
[23:45] <bkerensa> I got rid of my Nexus 7 unfortunately =/
[23:45] <bkerensa> but its really not amazing
[23:45] <bkerensa> its unity with dummy apps
[23:45] <bkerensa> all those demos you saw :)
[23:45] <valorie> ok
[23:45] <bkerensa> just fake
[23:45] <bkerensa> :)
[23:45] <valorie> well, kubuntu active is almost there
[23:45] <bkerensa> you will be like.... Ohhhh coool... oh wat this is fake?
[23:45] <bkerensa> :D
[23:46] <bkerensa> I will have my Firefox OS Phonew
[23:46] <valorie> just a few kernel panics to work out and such
[23:46] <bkerensa> which does work
[23:46] <bkerensa> :D
[23:46] <bkerensa> oh dear I need to make sure I bring you guys a table cloth and banner huh?
[23:46] <bkerensa> :D
[23:46] <valorie> not that I'm a tester or anything
[23:47] <valorie> you have those, correct?
[23:47] <bkerensa> Yeah I will bring our LoCo's up when I come
[23:47] <valorie> super
[23:47] <bkerensa> it almost slipped my mind though... I am stacking swag to pack in the car on friday
[23:47] <valorie> go do it now
[23:47] <bkerensa> about four boxes so far
[23:47] <valorie> lol
[23:47] <bkerensa> LOL
[23:47] <bkerensa> :D
[23:47] <valorie> oh wow
[23:48] <bkerensa> yeah entire trunk will be swag
[23:48] <bkerensa> I really hope we dont get a flat this time
[23:48] <bkerensa> last time we took a zipcar on a long trip we did
[23:48] <bkerensa> :(
[23:48] <bkerensa> and we got it in BFE so we had to wait like three hours for a tow truck
[23:48] <bkerensa> ;p
[23:52] <valorie> oh ugh
[23:52] <valorie> it's been so many years since I had a flat
[23:53] <valorie> tires are about a million times better than when I was a kid
[23:53] <valorie> my dad wouldn't let me test for my license until I could change a tire by myself
[23:53] <valorie> and change oil
[23:53] <valorie> cars in general are so much better as well


[10:43] <Malizor> Hi everyone, could someone nominate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem-plugin-arte/+bug/1368596 for Utopic, Trusty and Precise ?


[04:41] <Error404NotFound> I am getting http://pastebin.com/hC1tzxBP on every boot, what is this?
[04:43]  * flaccid goes to look
[04:43] <flaccid> well thats cloud-init
[04:43] <flaccid> mountall: Event failed is a bit of a concern
[04:43] <flaccid> the cloud-init fail could be a bug in cloud-init
[04:44] <flaccid> smoser or erichammond are the people to see about cloud-init. is this the latest official maverick AMI?
[04:45] <flaccid> also, are you putting any user data in the launch?
[04:50] <Error404NotFound> nope, its the official cannocial one.
[04:50] <flaccid> what does that mean?
[04:51] <flaccid> flaccid: smoser or erichammond are the people to see about cloud-init. is this the latest official maverick AMI?
[04:51] <flaccid> [2:45pm] flaccid: also, are you putting any user data in the launch?
[04:51] <Error404NotFound> Its the latest official and i am not putting any user data.
[04:51] <flaccid> looks like 2 bugs
[04:52] <Error404NotFound> hmm
[04:55] <Error404NotFound> checked with 32bit AMI as well, exact same error.
[04:56] <flaccid> if its the latest AMIs and you have not done anything additional, then submit bugs to ubuntu
[04:58] <flaccid> let me launch one and so i can confirm it
[05:06] <flaccid> Error404NotFound: i can confirm it. the messages we are seeing may be intentional, but i don't think that cloud-init-local should return non-zero if no user data is found
[05:07] <Error404NotFound> btw, with t1.micro instance there is not swap or /mnt ?
[05:07] <Error404NotFound> flaccid: great
[05:07] <flaccid> i'm not familiar with mountall, but i've seen it stay resident and leak
[05:07] <flaccid> and i don't see a need for it
[05:07] <flaccid> Error404NotFound: correct - you may want to read the instance types page on the aws site
[05:07] <flaccid> i also noticed these:
[05:08] <flaccid> * Starting AppArmor profiles       [80G 2011-03-28 04:00:52,257 - DataSourceEc2.py[WARNING]: unable to convert swap to a device
[05:08] <flaccid> 2011-03-28 04:00:52,268 - cc_mounts.py[WARNING]: 'mount -a' failed
[05:08] <Error404NotFound> yup
[05:08] <Error404NotFound> that as well
[05:08] <flaccid> not a very clean boot i must say
[05:09] <flaccid> there is [    0.210128] /build/buildd/linux-2.6.35/drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0) but i know this bug and will be submitting a but on it soon so we can fix it in debian and ubuntu. archlinux fixed it ages ago.
[05:09] <Error404NotFound> it also adds /dev/sdb as /mnt in fstab even though t1.micro doesn't have it.
[05:09] <flaccid> so please submit bugs for all of the above
[05:09] <flaccid> heh, yeah that is a logical bug
[05:10] <flaccid> in my debian images i use hd00 and a swap partition so none of this stuff occurs
[07:41] <DroBuddy> Hello room
[07:43] <DroBuddy> I'm in the process of setting up UEC on a HP Pavillion p6774y with a Realtek 8101E/8102E ethernet card and a RaLink Wireless N card, but have been unable to get an Internet connection to even run sudo update; sudo upgrade. The wireless abg works under Win7 but I've been unable to get it to work on CentOS 5.5, UEC latest and desktop Linux Mint (x64 for all installs). I would greatly
[07:43] <DroBuddy> appreciate any help and/or insight the community may have to offer
[07:48] <flaccid> DroBuddy: you might want to go to #ubuntu . sudo update and sudo upgrade are not valid commands
[07:49] <koolhead11> DroBuddy, lspci
[07:49] <DroBuddy> Hrm, I may be mistaken on those commands as I have not had a chance to connect to the internet... So, I was simply trying to recall from the top of my head. But, nonetheless, thank you very much. I'll go give it a shot..
[07:49] <DroBuddy> the lspci is...
[07:49] <flaccid> rtfm
[07:49] <DroBuddy> Ah, sorry, I'm in the process of reinstalling.. Ner.. It's been a long day of messing with this.
[07:50] <DroBuddy> I'm almost to the poing where I'm going to run ethernet down to my basement...
[07:50] <DroBuddy> point*
[07:51] <koolhead11> DroBuddy, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336%C2%A0
[07:51] <DroBuddy> In the tutorials for setting up a cloud they should include like 7x12 backs of beer, at a minimum... But, I digress.
[07:51] <DroBuddy> I'll check it out.
[07:51] <flaccid> UEC is kind of not of any relevance until you have your network card working..
[07:52] <DroBuddy> Exactly :)
[07:52] <flaccid> well eucalyptus is very buggy
[07:52] <flaccid> whereis cloudstack is not.
[07:53] <koolhead11> flaccid, +1
[07:53] <DroBuddy> Can I have the cloud controller and a node installed on the same machine for testing purposes? I know CentOS install didnt complain, but logistically speaking...
[07:53] <flaccid> DroBuddy: no.
[07:54] <DroBuddy> The game plan is to have a server OS to host the VMs, as well as, my LAMPP stack. The VMs will only be used for mundane tasks like Modding, etc.
[07:54] <DroBuddy> Hrm, damn.
[07:54] <DroBuddy> I better start throwing some stuff together...
[07:54] <flaccid> kind of defeats the purpose of a cloud if you aint going to put your lamp in there etc.
[07:55] <DroBuddy> Well, the idea was to have LAMPP universally available when I load a VM for web dev, or asterisk, OpenCRM, etc.
[07:55] <DroBuddy> The host would also be running openQRM, as well. That's what I plan on using to remotely initiate VMs
[07:56] <DroBuddy> But, this is simply for testing more than anything
[07:56] <flaccid> not sure what that means, but each instance can do whatever you want it to do
[07:56] <DroBuddy> I'd like to see it work before I scale it.
[07:56] <flaccid> ec2 works much better or if you want private cloud, cloudstack. but i wish you the best of luck with eucalyptus.
[07:57] <DroBuddy> Basically, the server would always be on but the VMs would not necesarily always be running. As such, I want LAMPP running 24/7, irregardless of whether or not a VM instance is running
[07:57] <flaccid> instances can run 24x7.
[07:57] <flaccid> if the host OS crashes, so do instances.
[07:58] <DroBuddy> Yeah, really, I'm trying to centralize my web development files, and have a few VMs for specialized tasks... But, I just started dabbling with this the other day
[07:58] <flaccid> np
[07:58] <DroBuddy> flaccid: Well, I understand that and I do not currently have any plans for redundancy, but this is just a test to see of it is the most efficent and economical way forward.
[07:59] <DroBuddy> Sorry, I have a very slow Internet connection... Which also defeats the purpose of a cloud.. Other than private use.
[08:00] <flaccid> the problem with eucalyptus is getting to work first and then having it be of some reliance.
[08:00] <soren> Depends on how you look at it. In many cases, having only limited bandwidth is a reason *for* doing cloud.
[08:00] <DroBuddy> soren: Exactly why I'm trying to centralize things on my side, really...
[08:00] <flaccid> yeah its not like a cloud needs to be on the net if its for doing local tasks
[08:01] <DroBuddy> That includes my PS3/Xbox360 Media server... lol;
[08:01] <DroBuddy> God bless FOSS :)
[08:05] <DroBuddy> Well, back to it. I'll be back when I get things set up which will hopefully be sooner than later
[08:29] <flaccid> there is no god, certainly not one that blesses FOSS.
[09:00] <kim0> Morning everyone
[11:41] <Error404NotFound> erichammond: you would have got yourself a cloud-init bug report :)
[12:52] <koolhead11> smoser, aroun?
[12:52] <koolhead11> d
[12:57] <kim0> koolhead11: just leave him a question in the channel
[12:57] <kim0> he'll get to it whenever possible .. others might be able to help too
[13:08] <koolhead11> kim0, i am not sure if am doing some stupid mistake
[13:09] <kim0> koolhead11: put your question in the channel man :)
[13:10] <koolhead11> kim0, i think i will do some brain storming b4 putting it.
[13:10]  * koolhead11 gives another 10 mins
[13:10] <kim0> yeah sure
[13:18] <koolhead11> kim0, so i had had not sourced my novarc and thats why i was not able to start image
[13:26] <kim0> yaay :
[13:26] <kim0> :)
[13:38] <smoser> koolhead11, here now
[13:46] <koolhead11> smoser, i was trying to run instance from the ttylinux and was not able to get the image
[13:46] <smoser> not able to get ?
[13:48] <kim0> "start" .. but I think it's started now
[13:49] <koolhead11> smoser, yes its started now
[13:49] <smoser> k
[13:49] <koolhead11> i have to source my novarc file
[14:47] <ubuntucloud093> hi
[14:47] <ubuntucloud093> this is neo
[14:48] <ubuntucloud293> hi
[14:48] <ubuntucloud093> jdfkasf
[15:12] <aliguori> kirkland, do you have a pointer to a howto that describes doing an automated ubuntu install in kvm?  preferrably, without requiring a network connection?
[15:12] <aliguori> if the later possible?
[15:13] <kirkland> aliguori: i gave this to hallyn last week, actually
[15:13] <kirkland> aliguori: i can get it to you, but it does require a network connection
[15:14] <aliguori> kirkland, okay, does it take a command line parameter like ks?  if so, can you point it to local media (cd or floppy)?
[15:14] <aliguori> or does it always do an http request for the answer file?
[15:14] <kirkland> aliguori: that network connection, however, could just be the kvm host itself running apache local
[15:14] <kirkland> aliguori: actually, yes, you could also build a floppy.img with the preseed
[15:14] <aliguori> okay, excellent :-)
[15:14] <kirkland> aliguori: here, let me give you this....
[15:16] <kirkland> aliguori: add these command line parameters: "priority=critical local=EN_US url=http://bit.ly/ubuntu-nqa"
[15:16] <kirkland> aliguori: to an ubuntu server, alternate, or mini ISO
[15:16] <aliguori> excellent
[15:16] <aliguori> kirkland, thanks!
[15:16] <kirkland> aliguori: note that the url param
[15:16] <kirkland> aliguori: you can grab the preseed file I've put at that bit.ly link
[15:16] <kirkland> aliguori: and host it local, on http://<IP_ADDRESS>/foo
[15:17] <kirkland> aliguori: or put that into a floppy.img
[15:17] <kirkland> aliguori: smoser has experience building a floppy.img
[15:17] <kirkland> aliguori: with boot stuffs in it
[15:17] <kirkland> aliguori: one sec
[15:17] <aliguori> kirkland, i can google my way there, i've got scripts that do the floppy creation for fedora so it should be easy to adapt
[15:17] <kirkland> aliguori: local= should be "locale="
[15:17] <aliguori> ah, that makes more sense :-)
[15:21] <kirkland> aliguori: okay, ...  here you go ...
[15:21] <kirkland> aliguori: 1) boot server ISO
[15:22] <kirkland> aliguori: hit ESC, then F6 for more kernel options
[15:23] <kirkland> aliguori: add to kernel opts: "priority=critical locale=en_US url=http://bit.ly/ubuntu-nqa"
[15:23] <kirkland> aliguori: install should proceed "nqa"  no-questions-asked
[15:23] <kirkland> aliguori: as for getting around that first ESC/F6, I *think* you can probably get around that by giving KVM a kernel, initrd, and kernel param options
[15:24] <kirkland> aliguori: and use a floppy.img for those, plus the preseed file
[15:24] <kirkland> aliguori: i'm asked the first part of that question a lot, so I'm going to go and make a blog post
[15:28] <hallyn> so, would the thing to do be to codify the use of that preseed in a autotest/client/tests/kvm/steps/Ubuntu-11.04.steps file?
[15:40] <kim0> This page has info on booting kvm with direct kernel/initrd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images/KVMKernelOptions
[15:40] <kim0> kirkland: ^ if you needed that
[15:41] <kim0> hmm .. that's probably more for booting uec images that installers
[15:41] <kim0> than*
[18:22] <kirkland> aliguori: did you have a chance to play with that at all?
[18:22] <kirkland> aliguori: does that get you anywhere further along the line?
[18:24] <aliguori> not yet, but will in a bit
[18:24] <aliguori> i just wanted to have an automated ubuntu install script for testing purposes
[18:31] <SpamapS> hallyn-afk: when you get back.. I'm interested in using lxc in a similar manner to schroot. Wondering if you have any experience doing that.
[18:34] <hallyn-afk> SpamapS: actually i'v enot quite left yet, gotta right about now, but
[18:34] <hallyn-afk> to use it as schroot, my plan was to use LVM snapshots
[18:35] <hallyn-afk> SpamapS: so yeah, let's chat when i get back
[18:50] <SpamapS> hallyn-afk: cool ttyl
[18:50] <SpamapS> mathiaz: ^5! howdy
[19:18] <mathiaz> SpamapS: hi!
[19:18] <mathiaz> SpamapS: I've got a question related to memcache:
[19:19] <mathiaz> SpamapS: when it comes to clear memcache upon deploy new code what does make more sense: restart memcached or flush memcached?
[19:21] <SpamapS> mathiaz: flush
[19:21] <SpamapS> mathiaz: usually.. sometimes restart is better because it will force slab reallocation..
[19:22] <SpamapS> mathiaz: depends on if you expect the new code to drastically alter the memory access patterns.
[19:22] <mathiaz> SpamapS: right - It seems that flush wouldn't expire keys set in the last second
[19:22] <SpamapS> mathiaz: and my info may be outdated.. I seem to recall reading that the slab allocation is more dynamic now.
[19:23] <SpamapS> mathiaz: in the past to make rolling upgrades less painful I had a 'cache_version' component to all cache keys, and if I wanted to force new caching.. I just bumped that.. so rolling upgrades would gradually populate the new cache
[19:24] <SpamapS> mathiaz: which was important, because we had jobs that would run for 30-40 hours
[19:25] <SpamapS> if the serialized data suddenly changed on them.. they'd freak out and have to be restarted
[20:15] <jeremydei> ubuntu-one svc unavailable? ouch ..
[20:21] <hallyn> SpamapS: all right, so have you started anything?  Did you have anything in particular in mind?
[20:21] <hallyn> SpamapS: i think what i'd probably do is ship a new set of lxc templates
[20:21] <hallyn> put the smarts in there
[20:22] <SpamapS> hallyn: no I've done nothing but I figured you would have thoughts
[20:23] <SpamapS> hallyn: my thinking is that the only difference is you need to run 'lxc-start /mounted/whatever/sbin/init' instead of 'chroot /mounted/whatever/bin/bash'
[20:23] <hallyn> SpamapS: i'm thinking you have a canonical container for each release, i.e. clean-natty, etc,
[20:24] <hallyn> SpamapS: they sit each on an LVM partition, and you create a working container by doing
[20:24] <SpamapS> hallyn: schroot does that
[20:24] <SpamapS> see schroot does *all* of this
[20:24] <hallyn> lxc-create -n apache-natty -t natty-build -
[20:24] <hallyn> yes, it does
[20:24] <hallyn> but it doesn't give you network namespaces
[20:24] <hallyn> but if you want to use schroot, just use it, don't argue with me :)
[20:24] <SpamapS> Right but we can build that in can't we? ;)

[20:25] <hallyn> i think kees was looking at that
[20:25] <SpamapS> I want an slxc basically ;)
[20:25] <hallyn> pretty much what i was going to do
[20:25] <hallyn> except based on the lxc code instead of based on schroot code
[20:26] <SpamapS> ah
[20:26] <SpamapS> I figured schroot already had most of the machinery necessary
[20:26] <hallyn> anyway, i think we're best of with you following up on your direction, me on mine, then we conmpare notes
[20:26] <hallyn> does schroot sitll require aufs?
[20:26] <hallyn> one of my motivations is to avoid that
[20:27] <SpamapS> require, no
[20:27] <hallyn> to modify schroot, the simple part would jsut be replacing the clone with clone(CLONE_NEWNS|CLONE_NEWPID|CLONE_NEWNET|CLONE_NEWUTS)
[20:27] <SpamapS> aufs is *awesome* tho
[20:27] <SpamapS> sure its slower..
[20:27] <SpamapS> and can't do long filenames
[20:27] <hallyn> the more complicated part would be the setting up of the network
[20:27] <SpamapS> but not having to rebuild the system to have LVM configured is a nice feature :)
[20:28] <hallyn> yup, it's sort of why i haven't done this yet :)
[20:28] <hallyn> now LVM really isn't necessary,
[20:28] <hallyn> lxc-create right now takes a few seconds
[20:28] <hallyn> but i'd still like it to be faster :)
[20:29] <SpamapS> well I'm less concerned about adding any speedto the equation. I just want instant containers so I can test upstart jobs without the b0rked up chroot support
[20:30] <hallyn> SpamapS: ok, you already have that
[20:30] <hallyn> just do as in http://s3hh.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/lxc-0-7-0/
[20:31] <hallyn> using '-t natty' in place of '-t ubuntu'
[20:33] <SpamapS> hallyn: hawt
[20:42] <hallyn> SpamapS: all right, actually i think all that I want is a new 'clone' template
[20:42] <hallyn> SpamapS: (which is just about written now, took all of 5 mins :)
[20:43] <hallyn> SpamapS: so i can keep a 'nattydevel' container around, and quickly clone a new one-off container from that to build a package or reproduce a bug
[20:43] <hallyn> gotta run downstairs to the other 'lab', bbl
[20:45] <SpamapS> hallyn: I'd really like for /home to be mapped in, and /etc/passwd to be copied in
[20:45] <hallyn> SpamapS: oh, yes, /home will be mapped in, are you sure you want /etc/passwd?
[20:45] <hallyn> SpamapS: actually so long as your prstine container does that, the cloned one will as well
[20:56] <SpamapS> hallyn: Yeah I want at least the non-system users duplicated so /home is usable
[20:57] <hallyn> SpamapS: all right, i'll blog a workflow that i think shoudl work for you
[20:57] <hallyn> still finishing up the script right now, really should go test vmware instead :)
[20:59] <SpamapS> hallyn: sweet
[21:07] <hallyn> curse xfs's slow deletion
[21:10] <flaccid> xfs rox
[21:15] <hallyn> flaccid: :)  i'm still using it...
[21:16] <flaccid> as are many thousands :)
[21:16] <flaccid> xfs_freeze is something other filesystems don't have
[21:17] <kim0> actually there was "fs_freeze" .. a generic one .. but it's probably not mature yet
[21:17] <flaccid> but if the filesystem can't do it, it can't do it i.e. kernel level. that sounds like a userspace hack
[21:18] <kim0> http://manpages.courier-mta.org/htmlman8/fsfreeze.8.html
[21:18] <kim0> flaccid: I believe it is kernel level
[21:19] <flaccid> not really. not for the filesystem itself and its only Linux Ext3/4, ReiserFS, JFS, XFS
[21:19] <flaccid> ZFS owns all of these with zfs snapshots :)
[21:21] <kim0> yeah .. unfortunately crappy linux implementations
[21:21] <kim0> zfs snaps were jaw dropping for me :)
[21:21] <kim0> too bad they ended up @ Oracle
[21:23] <kim0> obino: would you be interested in answering questions like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1716308 :)
[21:24] <flaccid> freebsd runs in the ec2 cloud now thanks to colin@freebsd. working with aws and their ancient xen
[21:25] <kim0> using zfs on that ?
[21:26] <flaccid> i think so. can't remember though
[21:26] <kim0> flaccid: I meant are you doing it
[21:27] <flaccid> doing what exactly?
[21:27] <kim0> using zfs on freebsd
[21:27] <kim0> ENOCONTEXT :D
[21:28] <flaccid> i would if i had a need
[21:28] <kim0> not sure why fbsd was brought up though
[21:30] <flaccid> because that is where you do zfs snapshot goodness
[21:32] <kim0> or opensolaris :)
[21:32] <kim0> indiana was it ..
[21:32]  * kim0 remembers Oracle again .. bleh
[21:33] <flaccid> opensolaris has muchly deteriorated
[21:33] <kim0> It's been killed I guess :)
[21:34] <kim0> Waiting for Solaris11 to come out .. and hopefully get a code drop
[21:34] <flaccid> doesn't fit the public cloud at all though
[21:35] <kim0> public cloud builders ?
[21:35] <flaccid> i don't see a public cloud supporting sparc..
[21:36] <kim0> solaris on x86 is big too
[21:36] <kim0> hoping Illumos can bring that more light
[21:37] <flaccid> days are gone for solaris
[21:38] <kim0> It's got a pretty decent kernel .. it looks mostly dead now, but will probably live in appliance form for years n years to come
[21:39] <kim0> zfs, dtrace, crossbow ..etc are all almost non existent (unfortunately) in Linux
[21:40] <flaccid> this is why freebsd has the potential has its already in the cloud and on x86
[22:55] <crazed> crossbow <3
[22:55] <crazed> messing with crossbow tought me a crapton about networking
[22:56] <crazed> but not how to spell, s/tought/taught/
[22:56] <kim0> hheee :)
[23:13] <hallyn> SpamapS: http://s3hh.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/lxc-clone/
[23:17] <flaccid> whats lxc?
[23:18] <hallyn> linux containers
[23:18] <hallyn> like an enhanced chroot.  emulate having a virtual machine without emulating any hardware and no guest os
[23:19] <flaccid> ah i heard of these but not sure of what use they are
[23:20] <hallyn> flaccid: that's what i say about computers :)
[23:20] <hallyn> j/k
[23:20] <flaccid> hehe
[23:24] <flaccid> could you use a lxc as a replacement shell to give users a jail for ssh that is better than the average?


[00:05] <bkerensa> mhall119: Yeah I will see about deleting mine when I get back home... I have to run and do some errands ;) Linus has excellent posts
[00:39] <duanedesign> popey: nice to meet you, in person, at UDS. Hope your trip home was pleasant.
[02:01] <nigelb> Mornin
[02:04] <bkerensa> hi Mr. nigelb
[02:06] <nigelb> o/
[07:45] <dpm> morning all
[08:02] <bkerensa> morning dpm
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <alourie> good morning
[08:06]  * alourie just found out that dholbach is a DJ
[08:07] <alourie> internet is an endless source of incredible information :-)
[08:08] <dholbach> alourie, a very lazy one - I hope I'll get a good mixtape together tonight, so I can upload it to the internets
[08:09] <alourie> oh
[08:09] <alourie> that'd be awesome
[08:09] <alourie> dholbach: you know what I've figured about community team last night?
[08:09] <alourie> 75% of you have biblical names :-)
[08:09] <dholbach> what is it?
[08:09] <alourie> ^^
[08:10] <dholbach> right, "Mr Metal" does not fit into it
[08:10] <alourie> jcastro?
[08:10] <dholbach> no, Jono
[08:11] <alourie> why? Jono is Jonathan, isn't he?
[08:11] <dholbach> sure, that was just a joke :)
[08:11] <alourie> oh :-)
[08:11] <alourie> and then
[08:11] <alourie> 75% of you play instruments?
[08:12] <alourie> of there's anything I don't know yet about David ...
[08:12] <alourie> s/of/or
[08:12] <bkerensa> Friday is going to be so 111111
[08:12] <alourie> bkerensa: not just that, it's everywhere in the world :-)
[08:12] <bkerensa> indeed
[08:13] <alourie> which is very cool
[08:13] <popey> We have a minute silence on 11/11 at 11:11
[08:13] <alourie> why?
[08:13] <jussi> popey: as does Australia :)
[08:13] <popey> Armistice Day
[08:13] <bkerensa> I'm going to eat 11 grapes at 11:11am on 11/11/11
[08:13] <dholbach> with a prevalence of North-American and European Ubuntu people, you get a lot of Christian/Hebrew/Biblical names
[08:13] <alourie> oh
[08:13] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day
[08:13] <alourie> dholbach: indeed
[08:14] <bkerensa> dholbach: Are there any other kind of names? :P
[08:14] <popey> oh, 11:00 on 11th
[08:14] <popey> my bad
[08:14] <bkerensa> Arabic?
[08:14] <alourie> bkerensa: yea, mine :-)
[08:14] <bkerensa> Celtic
[08:14] <alourie> greek
[08:14] <bkerensa> ahh
[08:14] <bkerensa> yeah that too :P
[08:14] <dholbach> although to be fair, these names are used elsewhere a lot as well - in Arabic/Persian these names come up as well
[08:14] <alourie> and there are Chinese, Indians, etc :-)
[08:14] <dholbach> alourie, and I haven't played an instrument for years, apart from turntables :)
[08:15] <dholbach> 11.11 11:11 is when the Carnival season starts in Germany (only relevant to parts of Germany though)
[08:15] <alourie> dholbach: still, that's an interesting statistic (sometime statistics find absolutely useless stuff)
[08:15]  * bkerensa never wants to go to germany
[08:15] <bkerensa> =o
[08:16] <jussi> bkerensa: why?
[08:16] <jussi> o.O
[08:16] <bkerensa> Too much good food
[08:16]  * jussi wants to go everywhere...
[08:16] <bkerensa> I would never come back to America
[08:16] <bkerensa> =o
[08:16] <jussi> bkerensa: hehe
[08:16] <bkerensa> Sausages
[08:16] <bkerensa> :D
[08:16] <alourie> bkerensa: well
[08:16] <alourie> food in America is not good
[08:16] <bkerensa> LOL
[08:16] <alourie> Europe is better
[08:16] <bkerensa> alourie: Some things in America beat Europe
[08:17]  * bkerensa used to do food and candy swaps
[08:17] <bkerensa> You guys don't have In and Out
[08:17] <bkerensa> ;)
[08:17] <bkerensa> also no A&W
[08:17]  * dholbach disembarks from the conversation here :)
[08:17] <popey> hah
[08:18] <bkerensa> ;p
[08:20] <bkerensa> gnight all
[08:20] <jussi> nini bkerensa
[09:13] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:13] <czajkowski> .c
[09:40] <Tm_T> morning czajkowski
[09:45] <czajkowski> Tm_T: hi
[09:57] <ejat> :)
[10:12] <head_victim> Any membership board members want/able to step in to help the Asia/Oceania board meet quorum again? We only have 3 members present at this point.
[10:13] <AlanBell> nigelb: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-summit-etherpad-lite
[10:13] <czajkowski> head_victim: sorry I can't at work
[10:14] <head_victim> czajkowski: no problems, you can't always come to our rescue ;) On a side note, drupal 6 is looking NICE for the loco website!
[10:15] <ejat> nigelb : when is your flight schedule to MY
[10:16] <nigelb> AlanBell: Thanks
[10:17] <nigelb> ejat: Friday evening, I reach KL about 00:00 19th
[10:17] <ejat> owh okie ..
[10:17] <ejat> ouch at nite .. ok .. see u then ..
[10:18] <dholbach> czajkowski, all the best! :)
[10:18] <nigelb> ejat: I think I miss the reception :(
[10:19] <ejat> :(
[10:19] <nigelb> But I'm there till 21st eevening :D
[10:19]  * ejat pokes dholbach
[10:19] <ejat> c00l .. maybe we can chill around ..
[10:19] <huats> morning
[10:21] <ejat> morning huats
[10:22] <czajkowski> dholbach: thanks it's  german based company but we're doig the english work for them
[10:22] <czajkowski> h-online.com
[10:23] <dholbach> czajkowski, so now I know where I can place all the Ubuntu development stories! ha! :-)
[10:37] <czajkowski> dholbach: I'm not allowed write about Ubuntu
[10:38] <dholbach> I was kidding :)
[10:39] <dholbach> but it was interesting to see that a couple of folks mentioned The H in the dev survey
[10:39] <alourie> hello
[10:40] <czajkowski> really
[10:40] <czajkowski> ohh
[10:40] <czajkowski> in what sense?
[10:40] <dholbach> in one of the questions I asked how they generally stayed up to date in terms of dev news
[10:41] <czajkowski> oh interesting
[10:53] <alourie> czajkowski: I hate you :-) (in a good way), I'm now going to loose at least an hour on h-online.com
[10:53]  * alourie is procrastinating
[11:56] <ScottL> good morning
[14:07] <dpm> Just corrected an e-mail I was about to send "if members are thrustworthy" to trustworthy...
[14:07] <dpm> we don't want to be trowing our contributors around!
[14:07] <dpm> well, throwing
[14:11] <nigelb> dpm: heh, having an 'h' problem today? :)
[14:11] <dpm> :P
[14:28] <scott-work> good morning again
[16:23] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[16:23] <czajkowski> new job today may not have been my wisest move
[16:23] <czajkowski> am KNACKERED
[16:28] <jcastro> likewise going to a cloudcamp after UDS, not a good idea
[16:28] <jcastro> the things I do for ubuntu!
[16:29] <czajkowski> jcastro: you love it really
[16:30] <czajkowski> wondered was there an Ubuntu presence at it
[16:30] <czajkowski> was looking at the site
[17:29] <bkerensa> Top of the morning!
[17:33]  * popey hugs jcastro
[17:37] <dholbach> alright my friends, I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:59]  * popey tickles jono
[18:02]  * jcastro tickles popey
[18:02]  * popey giggles like a girl
[18:03]  * popey pokes jcastro with a pm :D
[18:03] <snap-l> Hey now, none of that
[18:03]  * jono smiles at popey with bedroom eyes
[18:03] <snap-l> Wouldn't be proper
[18:04] <snap-l> at risk of getting my CoC thrown in my face: http://publicdomainreview.org/2011/10/15/vd-is-for-everybody-1969/
[18:04] <popey> Happy Anniversary jono
[18:04] <jono> thanks popey :-)
[18:04] <jono> today the world celebrates the most patient ever woman
[18:04] <popey> hah
[18:04] <snap-l> jono: You found one too? :)
[18:04] <nigelb> heh
[18:04] <jono> snap-l, indeed :-)
[18:05] <snap-l> Congratulations!
[18:06] <jcastro> \o/
[18:06] <jono> http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6047/6325861251_6dc91b7865_o.jpg
[18:06] <bkerensa> Happy Anniversary Jono!
[18:06] <popey> awesome!
[18:07] <jono> thanks bkerensa :-)
[18:07] <popey> should be behind the woman tho
[18:07] <bkerensa> yeah epic bag gimp jon :P
[18:07] <bkerensa> job*
[18:07] <jono> heh
[18:08] <jcastro> hahahah man
[18:08] <jcastro> that is the best picture ever
[18:08] <jcastro> have you posted that anywhere?
[18:08] <jono> popey, jcastro check your inbox in a sec
[18:09] <jono> I posted that last pic to FB and G+
[18:09] <jono> posting to Twitter now
[18:09] <snap-l> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/jorge-abbey-road.jpg
[18:09] <popey> seamless
[18:09] <nigelb> jono: what meme is that?
[18:09] <jono> haha
[18:10] <popey> muhahahaha
[18:11] <jcastro> the lady on the plane is laughing at me
[18:11] <jcastro> because I am lol'ing pretty hard
[18:12] <jcastro> .
[18:13] <jcastro> .
[18:13] <jono> :-)
[18:14] <bkerensa> Why is it no December yet so I can go on my California vacation :D
[18:14] <jono> I did two more
[18:14] <jono> sneak peek:
[18:14] <jono> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonobacon/6326638850/
[18:14] <jono> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonobacon/6326638826/
[18:15] <jono> I was giggling last night doing these
[18:15] <snap-l> hah
[18:15] <bkerensa> jono: Gimp?
[18:16] <jono> bkerensa, yes he is
[18:16] <jono> lol
[18:16] <bkerensa> lol
[18:16] <jcastro> man, you wanna do my blueprints or something? :)
[18:19] <jono> no thanks
[18:20] <jcastro> you need one of him on stage with hetfield
[18:21] <jono> jcastro, you now have the power :-)
[18:22] <jcastro> heh
[18:22] <jcastro> man, tripit is so awesome, I am checking in and editing my seats for my return trip and I'm not even on the ground yet.
[18:23] <nigelb> oooh. I need to checkin for next week. Thanks for reminding jcastro :)
[18:26] <jono> nigelb, you going on a trip?
[18:26] <nigelb> jono: Yep. Headed to KL for Mozilla's Asia event :)
[18:26] <jono> nigelb, nice!
[18:26] <jono> have a great time!
[18:26] <nigelb> :)
[18:28] <jono> ok
[18:28] <jono> i
[18:28] <snap-l> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/ubuntu_allstars.jpg <- quick and dirty
[18:28] <jono> I am going to enjoy my day off
[18:28] <jono> snap-l, LOL!
[18:29] <jono> laters all
[18:29] <snap-l> later, jono
[18:29] <jono> we need a photobombing site for Ubuntu people
[18:29] <jono> photobu
[18:29] <jono> :-)
[18:33] <jcastro> lol
[18:33] <jcastro> man, awesome.
[18:56] <snap-l> jcastro: You're welcome. :)
[19:51] <alourie> snap-l: that's crazy
[19:51] <alourie> good pun though :-)
[20:03] <bkerensa> Hmm the Microsoft Windows 7 phone arrived looks like they also sent me two portable speakers too
[20:03] <bkerensa> =o
[20:03] <bkerensa> silly Microsoft people
[20:04] <jussi> bkerensa: is it a nokia?
[20:04] <bkerensa> Samsung Focus
[20:04] <bkerensa> idk
[20:04] <bkerensa> :P
[20:05] <bkerensa> It is going to my fiancee
[20:05] <bkerensa> :P
[20:08] <bkerensa> jussi: http://i.imgur.com/XcdXO.jpg
[20:09] <jussi> bkerensa: hehe, I was going to suggest send it to "will it blend" people... :D
[20:10] <bkerensa> jussi: Well my fiancee needs new phone so I will let her fiddle with it
[20:10] <bkerensa> =o
[20:10] <jussi> bkerensa: you are a mean boy :P
[20:14] <nigelb> Who came as Hulk to UDS party?
[20:14] <bkerensa> jussi: She is the only reason we still have any MS in our house because she loves games so we have one laptop that dual boots
[20:14] <bkerensa> :P
[20:14] <bkerensa> so she can have her Windows phone :P


[02:16] <cjohnston> czajkowski at a pub? never would have guessed.. ;-)
[02:25] <Pendulum> cjohnston: I suspect she's not anymore
[06:28] <ara> morning!
[07:37] <dholbach> good morning
[07:58] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[08:05] <dholbach> hey czajkowski
[08:05] <czajkowski> dholbach: all better?
[08:05] <dholbach> yeah, all good - thanks :)
[08:05] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[08:06] <czajkowski> good, need to drop car in for service in a wee bit then out to meetings.
[09:25] <popey> morning all!
[09:40] <dholbach> hey popey
[09:51] <dholbach> hola randa_
[09:54] <randa_> hi dholbach
[10:30] <czajkowski> whoo tis Friday and the sun is out :D
[15:08] <qense> good afternoon
[15:48] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:50] <jono> hey dholbach :)
[15:53] <czajkowski> jono: my dear you free for a quick (I promise) 3 min pm ?
[15:54] <jono> czajkowski, sure
[15:54] <czajkowski> lovely
[15:56] <jono> dholbach, call in 5
[15:56] <jono> ?
[15:56] <dholbach> jono: yep
[15:56] <jono> dholbach, sweet :)
[15:57] <qense> dholbach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34Igxexgjh8 Ha!
[15:58] <dholbach> qense: I'll have a look later on
[15:58] <qense> dholbach: Only if you have some spare time! It's nothing serious. ;)
[16:03] <jono> dholbach, sorry net went down
[16:03] <jono> give me two mins
[16:03] <dholbach> jono: sure
[16:04] <Technoviking> jcastro: Have you tried Cloud Services Notifications? Now my Google Reader shows up in my indictor menu
[16:07] <jono> dholbach, alright, mumble?
[16:07] <dholbach> jono: go go go
[16:26] <qense> urrgh. Our LoCo really is a mess. All kind of people making up fancy bureaucratic structures that make them feel they are someone, but that don't do anything useful. Every subteam and council has its own board and would rather want it to be closed for public viewing. Most of it already is, but now the 'Community Council' suddenly doesn't want Ubuntu NL team members to read their board.
[16:28] <qense> We're getting all kind of closed entities, the founders of the 'Community Council' think we need a community council because otherwise the Ubuntu NL team won't listen to the community and you can hardly participate if no one inside the team proposes to give you access to the closed boards.
[16:33] <qense> Ubuntu NL is mostly a forum.
[16:34] <qense> So unfortunately we only really attract people that like to watch forum discussions all day.
[16:35] <czajkowski> qense: ugh
[16:35] <qense> czajkowski: People think they're fancy with their fancy titles and subteams, but we do very little productive.
[16:36] <popey> :(
[16:36] <czajkowski> qense: do ye need a hand ?
[16:36] <janc_lgm> qense: saying it's mostly a forum is somewhat of an exaggeration, the actually active people do good work
[16:37] <qense> janc_lgm: But they're not really visible. If you don't look good enough everything seems very lethargic.
[16:37] <janc_lgm> maybe because they aren't on the forum so much
[16:37] <nigelb> czajkowski: I got a question related to the loco stuff
[16:37] <czajkowski> fire ahead
[16:37] <qense> janc_lgm: and that's the problem because for most people the Ubuntu NL community is the forums and nothing more
[16:38] <qense> czajkowski: Tomorrow is our national release party, that's a good place to shake things up a little. ;)
[16:38] <janc_lgm> and most of the forum people don't do so much
[16:38] <nigelb> so, indian loco isn't *very* active (except for the m/l, which is *very* active).  I'm planning a few small events in my city.  doesn that gives us a + points at reapproval?
[16:38] <qense> czajkowski: But thanks for your offer. I'll call you when people start screaming and such.
[16:38] <nigelb> we are too big, so its difficult to have events all over.
[16:39] <czajkowski> qense: how about asking before it gets to the screaming bit :) I like less drama
[16:39] <qense> czajkowski: Don't you like conflict resolution? :D
[16:39] <czajkowski> nigelb: sure, but why not have events all over
[16:39] <czajkowski> qense: I di indeed
[16:39] <qense> nigelb: Is there one LoCo for the whole of India? :O
[16:40] <qense> nigelb: You could follow the US model: they've got a national LoCo that mostly does support for local LoCos and the LoCos most people deal with are per state or per very-large-city
[16:40] <nigelb> czajkowski: I personally am not good at organizing, but I don't want the loco to die out
[16:40] <nigelb> qense: we have a serious lack of volunteers for a country this size
[16:40] <nigelb> when it comes to comitting to do stuff, I see very few folks
[16:41] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[16:41] <dholbach> have a great weekend everyone
[16:41]  * dholbach hugs you all
[16:41] <nigelb> svaksha has been pushing me to do something for sometime and I think I found a good venue
[16:41] <qense> nigelb: You've got 1 billion people and on top of that Tamil Nadu seems very pro-Ubuntu, so there must be some people that can do something.
[16:41] <nigelb> dholbach: good night :)
[16:41] <qense> dholbach: have a nice weekend!
[16:41] <dholbach> bye!
[16:41] <nigelb> qense: well, we don't want to travel cross country for a meet.  I certainly dont have the time.
[16:42] <qense> nigelb: India is pretty big indeed. You could just start a more local LoCo.
[16:42] <nigelb> I was just planning small monthly meet ups with talks and folks helping fix whats broken etc
[16:42] <qense> That seems like a good way to start to me.
[16:43] <czajkowski> nigelb: what we do here is have an ubuntu hour
[16:43] <nigelb> there is a GSoC meet tomorrow.  Their venue is very interesting, perhaps I'm thinking of having ubuntu meetups there
[16:43] <czajkowski> and now they are taking off in different places
[16:43] <nigelb> czajkowski: similar to what i'm planning.  an hour of talks and hacking
[16:43] <czajkowski> nigelb: but they are not different locos
[16:44] <nigelb> czajkowski: what I wanted to know was if a city event would still be counted for the ubuntu-in loco.  I really want it to pass approval :)
[16:46] <janc_lgm> nigelb: why wouldn't it count?
[16:46]  * nigelb wasn't sure if just one city having events was going to help
[16:47] <czajkowski> nigelb: we hold a lot in dublin but not all
[16:47] <popey> if you're in the loco team and you organise an event, its a loco team event in my book
[16:48] <nigelb> popey: that's what I wnated to know. ty :)
[16:48] <popey> unless for some reason you'd been kicked out of the loco, or actively told not to organise an event, cant imagine that though
[16:49] <nigelb> um, the loco contact was like 'we're looking for someone new to take over from us'
[16:53] <nigelb> qense: you are't in -reviews anymore?
[16:54] <qense> nigelb: Have I ever been?
[16:54] <qense> dinner time, afk
[16:55] <nigelb> qense: I remember talking to you about mermingus there
[17:22] <qense> nigelb: Ah, the IRC channel.
[17:22] <qense> nigelb: Removed it from the list when I wanted to clean up the large list of IRC channels I'm in.
[17:33] <qense> jono: Maybe you should change the title of <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-global-menu> as well; it still says 'Global menu'.
[17:34] <jono> qense, yeah, I will later
[17:34] <qense> ok
[17:42] <bencrisford> nigelb: a patch needs reviewing on a bug assigned to me :)!  This could be a sign, that its time to start reviewing!
[17:42] <nigelb> bencrisford: hehe, definitely
[17:42] <bencrisford> I remember being inspired by your OW session :D
[17:44]  * nigelb was inspiring o.O
[17:44] <nigelb> good to know :D
[17:44] <bencrisford> lol :P
[17:48] <akgraner> randa_, hey!
[17:48] <randa_> hi akgraner
[18:21] <nigelb> qense: poke
[18:21] <qense> nigelb: yes?
[18:22] <nigelb> qense: how familiar are you with subprocess.Open?
[18:22] <qense> nigelb: Not at all
[18:22] <nigelb> :(
[18:22] <Technoviking> heading out to a couple National Parks for the long weekend, catch you all later
[18:23] <nigelb> Technoviking: have fun :)
[18:38] <jono> akgraner, around?
[18:39] <akgraner> jono, yeppers
[18:39] <akgraner> what's up?
[18:41] <jono> akgraner, ok, to be clear, put all the names in a hat, pick one out at random
[18:41] <jono> and thats all?
[18:41] <jono> want me to read the other winners out?
[18:41] <akgraner> yes please
[18:41] <jono> will do
[18:42] <akgraner> draw the name and read the other winners :-)
[18:42] <jono> np
[18:42] <jono> ok heading up to the studio now to get ready
[18:42] <akgraner> jono, thank you so much! I really appreciate all your help on making all this a success!
[18:42] <jono> no worries :)
[18:42] <jono> I really havent done much
[18:42] <jono> hehe
[19:05] <qense> Weekend!
[19:06] <cjohnston> lol
[19:20] <bencrisford> qense: woohoo! :)
[19:27] <akgraner> Woo Hoo Winners Announced for the UW World Play Day Competition - Photo #25 Orla O'Donohue Community winner!, Jane's Pick - Photo #20 Jordan McCarthy!, and jono's pick - Photo #18 - Erika Hamilton
[19:27] <akgraner> thanks to all of you who voted, sent in pictures and helped get the word out on this competition!
[20:19] <doctormo> Pendulum: I have a local advocate who wants to be involved with accessability, where should I send him?
[20:24] <Pendulum> doctormo: #ubuntu-accessibility is the IRC channel (if said person uses IRC)
[20:25] <doctormo> I will point them to the irc via html
[20:27] <Pendulum> mailing list is: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-accessibility
[21:37] <jono> Pendulum, have you started on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-process-improvements yet?
[21:38] <jono> akgraner, ditto for you ^
[21:39] <jono> and for jussi ^
[21:39] <jono> :)
[21:41] <akgraner> jono yep it's inprogress
[21:42] <Pendulum> jono: if "I started to look at those chapters again" counts, then yes, it's in progress :)
[21:42] <jono> Pendulum, it would be awesome if you could start merging in contact from one of the chapters this week
[21:42] <jono> does that seem doable?
[21:42] <jono> akgraner, thanks
[21:43] <jono> akgraner, for the fridge redev, has the design team committed to producing a wordpress theme?
[21:43] <Pendulum> jono: possibly? I just moved house and I'm having to do an emergency trip this weekend to visit someone in hospital, but I think I should be able to manage something. Do you want me to check with highvoltage and itnet7 as well?
[21:43] <jono> Pendulum, thanks!
[21:43] <jono> don't worry, I will check in with them
[22:07] <AlanBell> doctormo: I have a Ground Control issue http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/Screenshot-Bazaar%20Error.png what have I done wrong?
[22:08] <doctormo> It means that one of your branches has not been upgraded, I currently don't detect of provide any functionality to upgrade them through the GUI so you'll have to drop down to the Command Line to upgrade them
[22:08] <doctormo> Though I would report a bug that I can't detect or perform this action as it's important to clear up every instance where users have to drop to command line to get around a problem.
[22:13] <AlanBell> I pressed the fix bug button to get the branch, then tried to upload the fix
[22:13] <AlanBell> I do have a read only branch from a few weeks ago
[22:15] <AlanBell> ah, is it my bzr area on launchpad that needs upgrading?
[22:42] <jono> akgraner, around?
[22:47] <AlanBell> bug 587051
[22:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 587051 in groundcontrol (Ubuntu) "repository incompatibility error message fixing bug in dasher (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/587051


[19:48] <wonko> What have I missed? My Matrix is all jacked up.
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> wonko: Absolutely nothing. Just a network change.
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> wonko: Also, the Matrix bridge is in testing, so it's not in the best shape to begin with.
[19:51] <wonko> No, I mean my entire Matrix is completely jacked. And I can't be arsed to fix it. :-D
[19:51] <Eickmeyer> wonko: Oh, weird.
[19:51] <wonko> Yeah, after I build a new desktop I'll poke at it again
[19:51] <wonko> I'm stuck on this MBP for the time being
[19:51] <Eickmeyer> My condolances.
[19:52] <wonko> but, we move into our new apartment July 1 so I can finally start building the new PC
[19:52] <wonko> Ended up dragging the GPUs with me even though I didn't want to (stupid shortages)
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I know that feeling.
[19:53] <Eickmeyer> wonko: Feel free to join #ubuntustudio-devel again. :)
[19:53] <wonko> made keeping the bags all under 50# a pain because the 1080 has a big ass water cooler. :)
[19:53] <wonko> I'm not sure how long I'll be wonko here. Seems someone else has that nick registered


[04:39] <bduk1> Morning morning
[04:55] <Kilos> hi theblazehen_ Squirm nuvolari and others
[05:12] <theblazehen_> hi Kilos
[05:15] <Squirm> morning
[06:07] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:42] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi oom Kilos
[06:42] <nuvolari> happy humpday
[06:42] <nuvolari> wednesday is humpday right?
[06:45] <Kilos> lol
[06:46] <Kilos> ive never heard of hump day
[07:45] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[07:45] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[07:55] <Kilos> hi bdgrem
[07:56] <Kilos> ai!
[07:56] <Kilos> morning gremble
[07:56] <gremble> Good morning Kilos
[07:57]  * Kilos starting to revive my blog, but dont know whats been lost
[08:31] <Kilos> morning superfly
[08:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: google humpday
[08:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: "Humpday - In Theatres July 10th" http://www.humpdayfilm.com/ :: "Urban Dictionary: hump day" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hump+day :: "Hump Day : theCHIVE" http://thechive.com/category/girls/hump-day-girls/ :: "Humpday (2009) - IMDb" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1334537/ :: "hump day - Wiktionary" http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hump_day
[08:40] <Maaz> :: "Humpday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humpday :: "W…
[08:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: define humpday
[08:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?
[08:40] <nuvolari> :O
[08:41] <nuvolari> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hump_day
[08:41] <Kilos> lol
[08:41] <nuvolari> The term alludes to the fact that Wednesday is the middle of the work week, meaning that one has made it "over the hump" towards the weekend.
[08:47] <gremble> Oh. I usually just humped
[08:49] <Kilos> lol
[13:23] <Kilos> hi spinza Cantide
[13:23] <theblazehen_> Today's quiet...
[13:23] <Kilos> yeah,
[13:24]  * Kilos watching the first in a new series, the lottery
[13:24] <theblazehen_> Is it good?
[13:25] <Kilos> so far yes is about peeps becoming infertile
[13:25] <Kilos> and then politics is involved of course
[13:25] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[13:27] <Kilos> looks like quite a storm in town
[13:27] <Kilos> not here yet but i hear the thunder
[13:27] <Kilos> haha sun still shining here
[13:28] <Cantide> i miss thunder storms
[13:28] <Cantide> .-.
[13:28] <Kilos> aw
[13:30] <Cantide> it's okay ^^
[13:30] <Cantide> i get to enjoy snow
[13:30] <Kilos> eeeek
[13:30] <Cantide> :o
[13:30] <Kilos> that cold whet white stuff
[13:30] <Kilos> wet
[13:31] <Cantide> it's lovely
[13:31] <Cantide> it's not wet unless it's warm
[13:31] <Cantide> if it's cold enough, it stays dry
[13:32] <Cantide> i will show you some pics i took :) hold on :)
[13:32] <Kilos> go walk in it in your socks and tell me they dont get wet
[13:32] <Kilos> i know snow
[13:32] <Kilos> it sucks
[13:33] <Cantide> lol
[13:33] <Cantide> i would not walk in it in my socks :D
[13:45] <Cantide> Kilos, http://imgur.com/abdlTs4,KwZJG2N,B3RqOYp,3otu3ne#2
[13:45] <Cantide> there are 4 pics
[13:45] <Cantide> i went there 2 weeks ago :) such a nice trip
[13:46] <Kilos> cool
[13:46] <Kilos> too cool
[13:46] <Kilos> i stay here rather
[13:48] <Cantide> it's fine if you're appropriately dressed
[13:48] <Cantide> it's only minus 2 today - feels warm lol
[13:54] <Kilos> ai!
[13:55] <Cantide> :D
[13:55] <Cantide> it was minus 12 the other morning
[13:55] <Cantide> i think my face nearly froze off ._.
[13:55] <Kilos> 31°c here, thats warm
[13:56] <Cantide> eish
[13:56] <Kilos> i think you raun has been frozen
[13:56] <Cantide> summers here are hot, too
[13:56] <Cantide> lol
[13:56] <Cantide> brain?
[13:56] <Kilos> brain
[13:56] <Cantide> :p
[13:57] <Kilos> lol
[13:57] <Cantide> cooked in summer, frozen in winter
[13:57] <Cantide> a pity autumn and spring are only about 2 months each
[13:57] <Cantide> ._.
[14:51] <Kilos> grumbles
[14:51] <Kilos> gremble: too
[14:51] <Kilos> you got some time
[16:33] <gremble>  Skinner jy oor my Kilos ?
[16:33] <Kilos> nee man i wanted to share my first blog with you
[16:33] <Kilos> when i was still a real beginner here
[16:34] <gremble> Give me a link :o
[16:35] <Kilos> i found whats left of my blog on an external
[16:35] <Kilos> you ask maaz for it
[16:35] <Kilos> Maaz: kilos.blog
[16:35] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/
[16:35] <Kilos> i will have to check up with the pro as to what is missing
[16:36] <Kilos> the name was taras idea
[16:41] <gremble> Ah ok
[16:41] <gremble> Nice write-up
[16:41] <gremble> :P
[16:44] <Kilos> as i get it there you will see why i live here on ubuntu-za
[16:45] <Kilos> that pic that shows is taras mom
[16:45] <Kilos> only part of the blog that didnt get deleted
[17:41] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[17:44] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos, alo :)
[17:45] <nlsthzn> I am using your fave IRC client now btw ;)
[17:46] <gremble> What is that? mIRC?
[17:47] <nlsthzn> lol
[17:47] <nlsthzn> I was using mirc until I had to pay...
[17:48] <Kilos> konversation
[17:48] <nlsthzn> I did actually pay for an xchat license
[17:48] <Kilos> lol
[17:48] <nlsthzn> I don't mind supporting devs that make software I use
[17:48] <nlsthzn> pity they stopped work on it >.<
[17:49] <gremble> You can get hexchat for free?
[17:50] <Kilos> nlsthzn: ami do they have christmas there?
[17:50] <gremble> I like irrsi and weechat :O
[17:50] <Kilos> ya hexchat in repos
[17:50] <nlsthzn> sure I know :)
[17:50] <nlsthzn> yes there is xmas here... not a holiday though
[17:53] <gremble> Where is "here"?
[17:54] <Kilos> uae
[17:54] <gremble> Ah ok
[17:54] <nlsthzn> grrr... early xmas present from my ISP it seems, no more torrent for you >.>
[17:54] <nlsthzn> frrrr
[17:54] <Kilos> lol he comes here for hols too visit family
[17:54] <nlsthzn> grrr
[17:55] <Kilos> ow
[17:56] <Kilos> i enjoy the big bang theory
[17:56] <Kilos> buncha twits
[17:56] <nlsthzn> yup love the show (but suspect I am two or three seasons behind again >.<
[17:57] <Kilos> hehe
[18:01] <nlsthzn> so who got the xmas spirit yet?
[18:02] <Kilos> ?
[18:04] <Kilos> nlsthzn: and what OS?
[18:04] <Kilos> unity?
[18:05] <Kilos> or windows haha
[18:09] <nlsthzn> :)
[18:09] <nlsthzn> kubuntu
[18:09] <gremble> Done with your hackintosh experiment?
[18:10] <Kilos> haha
[18:12] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi oom Kilos, nlsthzn, gremble
[18:12] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[18:19] <nlsthzn> hiya
[18:23] <gremble> Hey nuvolari
[18:29] <gremble> Briquettes burn so much hotter than wood
[18:29]  * gremble sighs
[18:30] <nlsthzn> yup I played with OSX and it is much better than I imagined
[18:31] <nlsthzn> walled garden but stable
[18:32] <gremble> I am thinking about going the *BSD route
[18:33] <Kilos> sigh
[18:33] <gremble> Hmm?
[18:34] <Kilos> you okes that are never happy
[18:34] <Kilos> if you like playing and going raw then get tinycorelinux
[18:35] <gremble> I would rather do Linux from scratch for that
[18:35] <Kilos> if i had cable internet i would
[18:35] <Kilos> tiny is quite lekker
[18:36] <Kilos> only you need cable to make 3g work
[18:37] <Kilos> it might work with a 3g router i didnt think of that
[18:38] <Kilos> used iptables here to get it going on another pc
[18:52] <gremble> if you have two PC's you can have the 3g modem on the one and then just connect with a lan cable between the two
[18:54] <Kilos> thats what i did but needed lots of help to get iptables to work
[18:54] <Kilos> the sharing thing wasnt easy a few releases back
[18:55] <gremble> You don't need iptables to do it
[18:55] <gremble> It should work out of the box
[18:55] <gremble> That is what I did before we had internet at the house
[18:55] <Kilos> it didnt
[18:55] <Kilos> ask the fly he helped me
[18:56] <Kilos> was a major job
[18:56] <Kilos> might have been with 10.10
[18:56] <Kilos> and old pcs
[18:57] <gremble> That is odd
[18:57] <Kilos> ya all my stuff was odd, battled with everything hehe hey nlsthzn
[18:58] <Kilos> now everything just works
[18:58] <Kilos> yoohoo
[19:01] <Kilos> had to use funny commands like
[19:01] <Kilos> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp+ -j MASQUERADE
[19:02] <Kilos> and many more
[19:25] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight.
[19:26] <Kilos> merry Christmas to those i dont see tomorrow
[21:04] <nuvolari> o/ night oom