[04:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #999614 in php5 (main) "new SoapClient() with connection_timeout = NULL breaks multi-dimensional arrays" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999614
[05:34] <crass> has anyone needed to append some dns entries to a pppd created link? with dhcp its easy, but pppd seems unworkable without some major changes.
[07:49] <Syria> Hi, VirtualBox Failed to open the X11 display!
[07:52] <Syria> Please help me with this.
[07:56] <Syria> SSH -X, Found it, Thank you.
[11:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1024926 in clamav (main) "package clamav-base 0.97.3+dfsg-2.1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1024926
[15:14] <RoyK> anyone that knows a good online backup solution? crashtest looks ok, but it's dead slow, ETA for backing up 2,3TB is 29 days(!), and I'm on a 60Mbps symmetric line
[15:39] <patdk-lap> all of them will go like that royk
[15:46]  * RoyK is just a bit worried about restore - waiting a month for restore would be rather bad
[15:46] <patdk-lap> ya, why I don't like any of the current solutions
[15:46] <patdk-lap> some people will offer to ship you a 2tb restore drive though
[15:47] <patdk-lap> as I already have an offsite rack, I just do it myself it there
[15:47] <RoyK> I have an offsite server, but not with very much space
[16:06] <glosoli> Hey kinda stupid question, but how can I set Up Ubuntu server without having monitor ?
[16:06] <trimeta> glosoli: You'll probably need a monitor during the installation, but after that if you've got ssh set up you can remove the monitor and administer it that way.
[16:06] <glosoli> trimeta: ash that what I was wondering for
[16:07] <trimeta> There may be a way to perform the entire installation remotely...I've never tried. I don't know if any of the LiveCDs automatically set up ssh.
[16:08] <glosoli> trimeta: ah no prob
[16:08] <Katronix> Hi all, can someone point me to a good page to learn how to configure my ubuntu server to be name servers?
[16:08] <glosoli> was just curiosity mainly
[16:09] <RoyK> glosoli: try a serial console
[16:10] <RoyK> !dns
[16:10] <glosoli> Well I am not doing it at the moment, just thinking of
[16:10] <glosoli> as I will be in need tomorrow
[16:10] <Katronix> thanks Roy
[16:13] <trimeta> Out of curiosity, why does the zfsutils package only install helpful system maintenance cronjobs on kfreebsd, not on regular Linux-based systems?
[16:13] <RoyK> trimeta: ask the package maintainer...
[16:14] <trimeta> Fair enough...it also seems like the Linux version is many versions behind, which may be related...but again, same answer.
[16:14] <RoyK> mhm - seems ubuntu 12.04 only has up to zpool v23
[16:15] <RoyK> which is something like two years old
[16:15]  * RoyK uses illumos for zfs
[16:15] <Katronix> http://pastebin.com/DH03puUu should this work?
[16:15] <trimeta> illumos? What's that?
[16:16] <RoyK> trimeta: opensolaris-descendant :)
[16:16] <trimeta> Ah.
[16:16] <RoyK> trimeta: it's the "kernel" of the free solaris-based distros around
[16:16] <RoyK> openindiana, omnios, nextos, nexenta ...
[16:16] <RoyK> s/nextos/smartos/
[16:17] <trimeta> Also, oops, I think I upgraded my zpool past the version that the FUSE module can handle...I'm using the zfs-native thing, which goes up to v28.
[16:17] <trimeta> I think I remember hearing about the continuation of Solaris, but I forgot what it was being called nowadays.
[16:17] <RoyK> trimeta: oh, native zfs on linux? I've never tried that
[16:17] <trimeta> It builds a kernel module with DKMS.
[16:17] <RoyK> trimeta: solaris is solaris
[16:18] <RoyK> trimeta: but opensolaris was forked to openindiana, and then illumos was separated as a new project for OS/Net (kernel + important userbits)
[16:19] <trimeta> Ah...I've just stuck with Ubuntu, I like being able to use PPAs to add up-to-date software on top of a stable base.
[16:19] <Katronix> can anyone look at that pastebin I put up?
[16:20] <RoyK> trimeta: I use ubuntu for most stuff, but in my last job, I setup some 400TB spread out on seven storage servers - fun ;)
[16:20] <RoyK> all on openindiana...
[16:20] <trimeta> Katronix: I don't know much about DNS records, sorry...
[16:20] <Katronix> trimeta np
[16:21] <RoyK> Katronix: $ORIGIN your.tld
[16:21] <Katronix> Sorry Roy, I don't understand
[16:23] <RoyK> try this http://pastebin.com/Etvf2hbB
[16:25] <Katronix> Roy OK I put that in, I suppose for now I would have to dig to the server to see if it worked?
[16:25] <RoyK> make sure you updated serial
[16:26] <Katronix> yep I did
[16:27] <Katronix> the server itself does not recognize the domain yet :(
[16:29] <RoyK> what's in the logs?
[16:31] <Katronix> RoyK http://pastebin.com/mvB8gdUe I guess lines 7 to 10 is the issue?
[16:32] <RoyK> what's on those lines?
[16:32] <Katronix> sorry I mean lines 7 to 10 of the pastebin results
[16:32] <RoyK> perhaps just change to $ORIGIN your.tld on top
[16:33] <RoyK> and drop the other
[16:37] <Katronix> Jul 15 11:36:17 ubuntu named[31439]: /etc/bind/chrisamoody.com.zone:4: SOA record not at top of zone (chrisamoody.com.chrisamoody.com)
[16:37] <Katronix> Jul 15 11:36:17 ubuntu named[31439]: zone chrisamoody.com/IN: loading from master file /etc/bind/chrisamoody.com.zone failed: not at top of zone
[16:37] <Katronix> so I guess getting closer
[16:38] <RoyK> oh, change back to $ORIGIN . at the top
[16:38] <RoyK> then place $ORIGIN your.tld just after the SOA
[16:38] <RoyK> $ORIGIN chrisamoody.com, that is
[16:38] <Katronix> ok
[16:41] <Katronix> so add it after the MX line?
[16:44] <Katronix> RoyK I have several lines saying in part, "/etc/bind/chrisamoody.com.zone:4: ignoring out-of-zone data (.)" different lines though
[16:51] <RoyK> what's on line 4?
[16:51] <RoyK> Katronix: pastebin the zone file again, please
[16:51] <Katronix> k
[16:52] <Katronix> http://pastebin.com/ALv5SNQJ
[16:53] <Katronix> bind complains about lines 4, 11, 12 and 14
[16:53] <RoyK> Katronix: try to move the origin line above those three records
[16:53] <Katronix> so move line 15 to line 10?
[16:54] <RoyK> something like that, yes
[16:54] <RoyK> otherwise '@' will reflect origin '.', which doesn't make sense
[16:57] <Katronix> http://pastebin.com/8PXFqRhv
[16:58] <Katronix> seems to still not like the SOA line
[17:07] <Skaag> hey I have an old old old karmic server lying around, how do I get it upgraded to the next release?
[17:07] <Skaag> I'm going to try a do-release-upgrade and see if that works
[17:08] <Skaag> I'm asking because an apt-get update can no longer find most of the repositories.
[17:08] <Katronix> is your sources.list updated?
[17:08] <guntbert> !upgrade | Skaag do it step by step (or LTS->LTS)
[17:09] <njin> kamic has 5 years too
[17:09] <njin> of support
[17:09] <guntbert> !upgrade | Skaag
[17:09] <Skaag> ok let's see how the do-release-upgrade goes
[17:10] <Skaag> ah thanks
[17:10] <Skaag> it's a server.
[17:10] <RoyK> Katronix: oh - the soa is wrong
[17:10] <njin> why it cannot found the repo
[17:10] <RoyK> change the @ to your domain name
[17:11] <RoyK> Skaag: karmic hasn't been supported for a while ;)
[17:11] <Katronix> RoyK so it should be chrisamoody.com IN SOA ns1.chrisamoody.com. hostmaster.chrisamoody.com. ( ?
[17:11] <RoyK> try that
[17:13] <Skaag> I know, i've been upgrading regularly all of my boxes but this one somehow remained because it's one of those customers who have totally embraced the "if it ain't broken don't touch it" idiom ;-)
[17:13] <qman__> karmic was not an LTS and did not get 5 years
[17:13] <qman__> you have to change your repositories to the old-releases to get updated
[17:14] <Katronix> RoyK so http://pastebin.com/q9f2GRji would indicate its successfully loaded?
[17:14] <Skaag> somehow do-release-upgrade is working. according to the docs it was supposed to give me an error message, and I was then supposed to use -d to upgrade anyway. but it just seems to work without the -d switch.
[17:15] <RoyK> Katronix: looks right
[17:16] <Katronix> RoyK cool, is there a way to test it? leafdns still says it can't talk to ns1/ns2 but its also set to a ttl of 48 hours
[17:16] <RoyK> ttl of 48 hours???
[17:16] <Katronix> http://leafdns.com/index.cgi?testid=A169BAD2
[17:16] <RoyK> just type "host chrisamoody.com x.x.x.x" where x.xx.x.x is your server's ip
[17:17] <RoyK> Katronix: have you added a zone section for that domain in the named.conf or named.conf.local file?
[17:18] <RoyK> well, obviously, otherwise you wouldn't have gotten an error
[17:20] <Katronix> actually my named.conf file includes zone.conf which loads chrisamoody.com
[17:24] <Katronix> RoyK I guess its not working yet http://pastebin.com/v1Fd0RjH
[17:27] <RoyK> Katronix: no, guess something is wrong - sorry - tired
[17:28] <Katronix> np, thanks for your efforts
[18:46] <zakk> anyone have a fast mirror of ubuntu-server 12.04 64?
[18:49] <TheLordOfTime> use the torrents?
[18:50] <zakk> where are they?
[18:52] <seekwill> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads
[18:52] <zakk> thx
[18:53] <seekwill> I agree, it's a bit hard to find
[19:59] <resno> my boss is considering hosting our servers in our office, they are currently under someone elses control, what is a "good" internet speed to start with?
[20:01] <resno> on a daily basis, i believe our site gets 1,000 hits or so
[20:11] <Katronix> resno, is this an intranet site? or an internet site?
[20:12] <lifeless> resno: the speed and bandwidth you need depends on : the peak concurrent traffic; the response time you want to give your users. 1000/day could mean 1000 in 5 minutes, for an end of day accounting site, or it might be totally random. You'll need to do more analysis to know.
[20:28] <Katronix> anyone available to help me with a dns configuration issue?
[20:29] <tonyyarusso> Katronix: I can try
[20:29] <Katronix> Cool, I'm trying to get chrisamoody.com to be recognized by the net
[20:31] <tonyyarusso> Um, pretty sure I see your issue
[20:31] <Katronix> cool
[20:31] <Katronix> I know the nameservers don't work, but the question is why?
[20:31] <tonyyarusso> Katronix: You have it set to use ns1.chrisamoody.com and ns2.chrisamoody.com to resolve the domain, but it needs to be able to resolve the domain to see those nameservers.
[20:31] <tonyyarusso> In other words, you have a cart before the horse issue.
[20:32] <Katronix> ok, how do I get it to recognize the nameservers?
[20:32] <tonyyarusso> So you'll need to update that to either a) point to NS records on some other domain, or b) do it by IP address
[20:33] <Katronix> well Ideally the server will be its own nameservers and hosting the domain
[20:33] <Katronix> it was working before I updated to percise
[20:34] <tonyyarusso> ORLY?
[20:34] <Katronix> yep
[20:34] <tonyyarusso> That...shouldn't have worked.
[20:35] <tonyyarusso> Or at least I don't think so.  I guess I could be wrong.
[20:35] <Katronix> lol, you mean a server can't be both a name server and a web host?
[20:35] <qman__> no, you need glue records
[20:35] <tonyyarusso> nah, I mean the nameservers set on the domain itself.  But maybe they do.
[20:35] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, what he said
[20:35] <qman__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System#Circular_dependencies_and_glue_records
[20:36] <tonyyarusso> I'm not entirely sure how registrar's create those, or how to check them though
[20:36] <Katronix> well I have already registered the name servers
[20:36] <qman__> how you actually get it done depends on your registrar
[20:36] <Katronix> I just the need the server to start doing it
[20:37] <Katronix> so I guess first question, how do I get the nameservers to start working?
[20:37] <qman__> basically, when you have that circular dependency, your registrar needs glue records to provide the IP
[20:39] <tonyyarusso> As an example, this is what the page for creating them looks like on my registrar's panel:  http://files.tonyyarusso.com/glue-records.png
[20:39] <qman__> so that when someone asks "who knows about asdf.com?" the parent server says "ns1.asdf.com, which btw, is <IP_ADDRESS>"
[20:39] <tonyyarusso> It's labeled "Name Server Registration" in their menu.
[20:39] <Katronix> yes I have done that already
[20:39] <Katronix> I'm now working on getting the server to work
[20:40] <shauno> you've specified a name, but no IP address
[20:40] <qman__> also can be called vanity name servers
[20:40] <Katronix> http://leafdns.com/index.cgi?testid=C476D608 shows the IPs for it
[20:41] <tonyyarusso> Eh?  Why does it say not authoritative?
[20:41] <qman__> zone's not configured right
[20:41] <Katronix> well that is what I'm trying to figure out , is why its not configured properly
[20:42] <tonyyarusso> Can you pastebin the relevant BIND configs?
[20:42] <Katronix> yep
[20:43] <Katronix> http://pastebin.com/K8EYeu3R
[20:43] <qman__> line 4, remove ns1
[20:44] <Katronix> remove just ns1.chrisamoody.com ?
[20:44] <qman__> no, remove the ns1.
[20:44] <qman__> should just be chrisamoody.com in that spot
[20:45] <Katronix> ok
[20:45] <armaan> Hi folks ... while setting up LDAP i am getting this error--> ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49)
[20:45] <armaan> how should i resolve this ???
[20:46] <Katronix>  host chrisamoody.com <IP_ADDRESS> still returns Host chrisamoody.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL) :(
[20:47] <tonyyarusso> Katronix: did you restart bind?
[20:47] <Katronix> yes
[20:48] <tonyyarusso> and increase the serial
[20:48] <tonyyarusso> ?
[20:48] <Katronix> may have forgotten that, one sec
[20:49] <Katronix> ok no effect
[20:49] <qman__> try this http://pastebin.com/zN4SbKad
[20:49] <tonyyarusso> Also, I don't think you want the domain in there twice.  Just "@ IN SOA chrisamoody.com. hostmaster.chrisamoody.com. ("
[20:50] <tonyyarusso> I have no idea what $ORIGIN is for
[20:50] <Katronix> me niether, someone else suggested it
[20:51] <tonyyarusso> qman__'s paste looks good to me
[20:52] <Katronix> one sec
[20:54] <Katronix> chrisamoody.com mail is handled by 10 mail.chrisamoody.com. well I guess this is better :)
[20:55] <tonyyarusso> Indeed
[20:55] <tonyyarusso> anthony@timmins:~$ host chrisamoody.com
[20:55] <tonyyarusso> chrisamoody.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:55] <tonyyarusso> chrisamoody.com mail is handled by 10 mail.chrisamoody.com.
[20:55] <tonyyarusso> You're in business.
[20:55] <Katronix> now getting a mismatched glue issue but we are doing better
[20:57] <armaan> Hi folks ... while setting up LDAP i am getting this error--> ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49)
[20:57] <Katronix> chrome says it doesn't know my site yet...
[20:57] <koolheadd17> armaan, is there specific documentation you are following
[20:58] <tonyyarusso> Katronix: is <IP_ADDRESS> correct for your web host?
[20:58] <jacobw> armaan: sudo ldap* -h localhost -Y EXTERNAL ...
[20:58] <Katronix> yes
[20:59] <jacobw> -Y specifies an SASL mechanism, EXTERNAL is 'let root in'
[20:59] <armaan> koolheadd17: http://comtech247.net/2012/05/13/how-to-set-up-an-ldap-server-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts/
[20:59] <tonyyarusso> Katronix: is Apache running?
[21:00] <armaan> koolheadd17: also tried it
[21:00] <Katronix> tonyyarusso yes
[21:00] <tonyyarusso> Katronix: Actually, hrm, yes it is.  Now you have Apache redirecting http://chrisamoody.com/ to http://www.chrisamoody.com/, and www isn't resolving.
[21:00] <Katronix> hmmm, ok will work on that
[21:01] <tonyyarusso> It is properly looking at your nameservers for it though, so something in the BIND config for that subdomain.
[21:01] <Katronix> should the two zone files be basically the same?
[21:01] <tonyyarusso> It's not a separate zone
[21:01] <tonyyarusso> it should be in the file you were working on before
[21:01] <tonyyarusso> Unless you have a REALLY good reason to maintain a subzone.
[21:02] <qman__> delegation would be the only good reason I know of
[21:02] <koolheadd17> armaan, please check ubuntu server guide
[21:03] <koolheadd17> it has a section openldap
[21:03] <r0tha> koolheadd17: rofl essentially saying RTFM
[21:03] <qman__> we can't support $random_blog_guide
[21:04] <qman__> following the server guide first, and other sanctioned resources, is important
[21:04] <koolheadd17> qman__,  +1
[21:04] <jacobw> rtfm is a valid response
[21:05] <koolheadd17> r0tha,  jacobw  nopes i don`t see it that way
[21:05] <qman__> especially with something as complicated as openldap
[21:05] <armaan> jacobw: it says -h not compatible with -H
[21:05] <koolheadd17> age for RTFM are over now :)
[21:05] <armaan> koolheadd17: okiez :)
[21:06] <jacobw> if were, there would be no manuals
[21:07] <koolheadd17> jacobw, i meant to say we are more tolerant these days. :)
[21:09] <r0tha> koolheadd17: i mean RTFM is more of a benefit for everyone.
[21:09] <qman__> that's not to say random blog guides aren't useful, because they are, but having not written and never used said random blog guide, I can't help you with it
[21:09] <r0tha> if the manual is unclear it should be reviewed and revised
[21:10] <koolheadd17> r0tha, qman__ +1 i just feel rude to say RTFM :)
[21:10] <Katronix> yay my site is back up
[21:11] <koolheadd17> Katronix, was it some apache issue
[21:12] <Katronix> koolheadd17 no I just had to remove the code to for www.chrisamoody.com
[21:12] <koolheadd17> oh k
[21:19] <JenniferB2> hi folks... if I install ubuntu-server lts ( latest ) ... can I install gnome 2 on top of it thorugh apt-get install ?
[21:20] <qman__> nope
[21:21] <qman__> you'd have to compile it or get it from a third party, ubuntu only has gnome3 in its repositories
[21:21] <JenniferB2> yes... but is it possible ? stable through other repositoroes ?
[21:22] <qman__> in theory but it wouldn't be a supported configuration
[21:23] <qman__> I recommend lubuntu as an alternative
[21:31] <JenniferB2> why not xubuntu ?
[21:31] <JenniferB2> i need it as desktop computer
[21:31] <JenniferB2> not actually a server
[21:32] <TheLordOfTime> JenniferB2:  you could install any Desktop version and install server packages on it
[21:33] <TheLordOfTime> JenniferB2:  but GNOME2 is no longer part of Ubuntu
[21:33] <qman__> you could use xubuntu, but I like lubuntu better
[21:33] <TheLordOfTime> and I like Kubuntu, so...
[21:33] <TheLordOfTime> its a personal preference of desktop envirionment
[21:34] <qman__> lubuntu can have a pretty similar feel to gnome2 if you want it to
[21:34] <JenniferB2> TheLordOfTime: I dont want all these fancy pancy new stuff ... i am a developer.. i dont need fancy big ugly buttons... kubuntu video i saw was a turnoff ... ubuntu 12 as well.
[21:35] <qman__> then you will like lubuntu
[21:35] <TheLordOfTime> JenniferB2:  gnome-shell or gnome-classic in Ubuntu
[21:35] <JenniferB2> nice ... lts to ?
[21:35] <TheLordOfTime> i needed Kubuntu for stuff
[21:35] <TheLordOfTime> but personally i do everything via CLI
[21:35] <TheLordOfTime> except IRC
[21:35] <TheLordOfTime> JenniferB2:  Kubuntu, Lubuntu, etc. 12.04 will be LTS
[21:35] <JenniferB2> TheLordOfTime: I heard that gnome-classic is a bit buggy
[21:35] <TheLordOfTime> JenniferB2:  it is, that's why i said gnome-shell too :P
[21:35] <JenniferB2> TheLordOfTime: haha
[21:35] <TheLordOfTime> as for them being LTS, some might be community maintained
[21:36] <qman__> I don't think the lubuntu bits are LTS, but you'll get base system updates
[21:36] <qman__> and will be able to upgrade to the next LTS directly
[21:37] <JenniferB2> http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-1204-now-available
[21:37] <JenniferB2> qman__: yes.. it says that on the page
[21:37] <qman__> practically, I don't think it makes much difference
[21:38] <qman__> the important part is the kernel and base system updates, and the applications don't usually get much love later on anyway
[21:38] <JenniferB2> qman__: yes.. I am sure ... is lubuntu nicer than xubuntu ?
[21:38] <qman__> in my opinion, yes
[21:38] <qman__> but there are plenty who disagree
[21:39] <qman__> but it's all free, so give it a try
[21:40] <TheLordOfTime> what qman__ said about LTS
[21:40] <TheLordOfTime> parts of it won't be LTS-supported
[21:40] <qman__> but those parts don't normally get updates that late in the cycle anyway
[21:42] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[21:43] <JenniferB2> ok... this is an off question .. but what about linux mint ... could it be said it is equally stable as ubuntu or likely less ?
[21:43] <JenniferB2> I want to use this desktop for years
[21:47] <TheLordOfTime> MINT MUST DIE
[21:47] <TheLordOfTime> i mean...
[21:47] <TheLordOfTime> !mint
[21:47] <TheLordOfTime> (continuing to ask about mint in Ubuntu channels... well... not exactly advised)
[21:47] <JenniferB2> hehe .. it is based on ubuntu!
[21:47] <TheLordOfTime> there is ##linux here if you *really* want to risk it with questions about mint
[21:48] <TheLordOfTime> do not make me pull the factoid out again
[21:48] <TheLordOfTime> or ping ops
[21:48] <JenniferB2> hehe
[21:48] <JenniferB2> #linux
[21:48] <TheLordOfTime> (they will just say the same thing i just did - mint support in ubuntu channels is bad)
[21:48] <JenniferB2> sorry
[23:06] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1025066 in samba (main) "package winbind 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1025066


[17:56] <jandrusk> Appears ubuntu.com is running on 10.04
[18:03] <canthus13> It's not EOL yet, so why upgrade if it works?
[18:06] <dniMretsaM> exactly what LTS is for
[18:09] <canthus13> mebbe they don't have faith in anything newer. :)
[18:24] <dniMretsaM> lol
[18:24] <dniMretsaM> you never know
[18:45] <Unit193> jandrusk: Do you know what ubottu.com is on, though? :D
[19:00] <Unit193> (Linux 2.6.31 - 2.6.35)
[20:10] <skellat> Blah blah blah
[23:38] <jrgifford> paultag: yo, are all the sunlight labs apps are up-to-date?
[23:38] <jrgifford> Unit193:  let me guess, raring?
[23:41] <Unit193> jrgifford: Wrong direction.
[23:45] <jrgifford> Unit193: oh no... not hardy.
[23:49] <Unit193> jrgifford: I thought so, but according to the guessed kernel version, actually lucid...
[23:51] <jrgifford> oh, interesting.
[23:52] <Unit193> So I'm not fully sure what version. :P
[23:53] <Unit193> Oh, and are you getting any delay on debian servers?


[00:59] <xubuntu838> hello
[02:13] <magnetik_> Hi, I get no video when I resume from suspend on 14.04. Where should I start with debugging this?
[02:14] <magnetik_> In my BIOS I can choose S3 or S1, I have S3 selected.
[02:14] <magnetik_> When I suspend all fans stop spinning. When I press the power button everything spins up but I get no video
[02:56] <xubuntu48w> Hello
[02:59] <dungnguyen> Hello evrey body
[02:59] <dungnguyen> How to upgrade xubuntu 14 to 15?
[08:12] <mrsmart> Hi guys!
[08:34] <mks1945> symmetrically
[08:49] <zippo^> Will Xubuntu built a standard "color inverts" in the further?
[08:49] <zippo^> the magnifier is installed standard in Xubuntu
[09:03] <knome> zippo^, likely not, unfortunately we don't have many people who are working with accessibility in xfce/xubuntu
[09:05] <zippo^> oh i see )-: knome
[09:10] <zippo^> I have a question: Can I change a text under pictogram of the Desktop "left to middle", knome
[09:11] <Hund> When removing a package with Aptitude and apt-get it leaves some kind of skeletong package behind? How do I get rid of it?
[09:11] <Hund> skeleton*
[09:14] <Hund> Oh, I have to close and reopen a new shell every time.. Wow..
[09:21] <brainwash> Hund: run "sudo apt-get autoremove --purge" to remove unneeded packages
[09:23] <brainwash> zippo^: the text under desktop icons is now centered, but you need to install the latest version of xfdesktop (4.12.2)
[09:24] <Hund> brainwash, Tried most commands. But I have to close and reopen the shell for the "packages" to go away.
[09:25] <xubuntu22w> Hello. I've installed xubuntu 15.04 on computer but nothing appears on startup whereas live usb works. any idea ?
[09:25] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset | xubuntu22w
[09:26] <zippo^> Which version of Xubuntu is xfdsktop 4.12.2, brainwash
[09:26] <zippo^> ?
[09:26] <brainwash> zippo^: xubuntu 15.10 (development release)
[09:27] <brainwash> zippo^: but you can use this PPA https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.12 for the 15.04 or even 14.04
[09:27] <zippo^> ok thx but left texxt is good too, brainwash
[09:28] <brainwash> zippo^: right, it's just a minor cosmetic fix. maybe it's not worth to update packages from a 3rd party source then
[09:30] <zippo^> I though al :)
[09:32] <xubuntu22w> ubottu: how do you get grub2 configuration ?
[09:33] <zippo^> what can ubottu do?
[09:34] <xubuntu22w> :) i didn't know.
[09:36] <xubuntu22w> how can i change the nomodeset ?
[09:36] <zippo^> http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.nl/2012/07/how-to-install-grub-customizer-in.html xubuntu22w
[09:36] <cfhowlett> xubuntu22w, did you even read the wiki?  instructions are there.
[09:39] <xubuntu22w> sorry, i think it will be good...
[09:44] <xubuntu22w> thanks
[12:21] <knob> Good morning all!
[13:23] <xubuntu226> just installin xubuntu!
[13:23] <xubuntu226> hellooooooooooooooooooooo
[13:25] <ochosi> xubuntu226: congrats
[13:26] <xubuntu226> What is the name of the lates Ubuntu?
[13:26] <xubuntu226> latest
[14:09] <knob> xubuntu226 nice!
[16:53] <Zet> I can't get my sound to work through pulseaudio on my bluetooth headset
[16:53] <Zet> I did something to get the headset to appear yesterday by following the advice here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/223136/pavucontrol-doesnt-show-bluetooth-headset
[16:54] <Zet> but it turned out my laptop only has bluetooth 3.0, which doesn't allow for high sound quality
[16:54] <Zet> so I went out today and bought a bluetooth 4.0 adapter
[16:55] <Zet> I paired the headset through the new adapter again today, but it won't appear in the volume control application
[17:11] <Zet> huh, I restarted pulseaudio for the n'th time and now it's there...
[17:17] <Zet> but I still don't get any sound
[17:28] <Zet> I'm running Xubuntu 14.04
[18:55] <Mike-Linux> SOmeone here? i have a serious issue


[17:00]  * pleia2 waves
[17:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:02]  * vibhav waves
[17:02] <funkyHat> Hello
[17:02] <Tm_T> hi funkee
[17:03]  * funkyHat o/
[17:03] <vibhav> Tm_T: Irc council? :)
[17:03] <Tm_T> vibhav: yes?
[17:04] <YokoZar> Hello
[17:04] <dholbach> hi
[17:04] <AlanBell> o/
[17:05] <topyli> hi
[17:05]  * AlanBell installs phablet tools
[17:05]  * cprofitt waves
[17:09] <cprofitt> #startmeeting
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[17:09] <pleia2> hello
[17:09] <cprofitt> Hello everyone and welcome to the CC meeting
[17:09] <cprofitt> today we will be touching base with the IRC Council and Developer Advisory Team
[17:09] <dholbach> I see we have a number of IRC Council people here. :)
[17:09] <cprofitt> are people here from IRC Council?
[17:10]  * cprofitt smiles
[17:10] <dholbach> And a bit fewer DAT people too. :)
[17:10] <AlanBell> hi cprofitt
[17:10] <Tm_T> moin
[17:10] <topyli> o/
[17:10] <funkyHat> Hello
[17:10] <Tm_T> all but one from ircc, nice
[17:10] <cprofitt> great, lets start with the IRC Council
[17:10] <cprofitt> #topic IRC Council
[17:11] <cprofitt> #chair czajkowski dholbach pleia2 YokoZar
[17:11] <meetingology> Current chairs: YokoZar cprofitt czajkowski dholbach pleia2
[17:11] <dholbach> how are you all doing? how has the cycle been for the IRC Council so far?
[17:12] <czajkowski> anyone can answer :)
[17:12] <AlanBell> hi dholbach, I think this cycle has been fine, a bit quieter than the previous one perhaps
[17:13] <AlanBell> we did operator recruitment again, and k1l joined the team
[17:13] <AlanBell> doing recruitment in line with the development cycles still seems to make sense to me
[17:13] <dholbach> AlanBell, was it because of less planned work for the cycle or because of less adhoc "let's get the IRC Council involved" requests?
[17:13] <Tm_T> as I've been aboard on council for half a year, I've felt we've been basicly just doing what we always do, nothing special lately
[17:14] <cprofitt> are all operator teams well staffed?
[17:14] <AlanBell> all operator teams seem appropriately staffed, we have not really had any issues of a lack of operators
[17:14] <cprofitt> good to hear
[17:15] <AlanBell> dholbach: a bit of both, we made some changes in the prior cycle and had stuff like the Lubuntu operators to bring in etc
[17:15] <AlanBell> one thing I want to look at soon is disaster recovery for ubottu.com, that server had some reliability issues before christmas and we are a bit more dependent on it than I would like to be
[17:16]  * cprofitt nods
[17:16] <dholbach> do the IRC Council is down to the bottom of their TODO list? :)
[17:16] <czajkowski> AlanBell: do you feel it's a quieter cycle as it's the council has been organised and things are running smoothly ?
[17:16] <AlanBell> well there is an email in my inbox now that has arrived on the todo list, I think you all have a copy of that too
[17:16] <cprofitt> AlanBell: is ubottu currently a single server solution?
[17:16] <Tm_T> cprofitt: yes
[17:17] <AlanBell> don't really want to go through that until we have all read it
[17:17] <cprofitt> AlanBell: yes, we got that email
[17:17] <cprofitt> same here AlanBell
[17:17] <Tm_T> czajkowski: from long time ops POV I'd say we've quite estamblished team so things are bound to run rather smoothly
[17:17] <cprofitt> Tm_T: would you be looking at an HA solution or just a disaster recovery?
[17:17] <AlanBell> disaster recovery
[17:17] <Tm_T> ^
[17:18] <czajkowski> Tm_T: that's good to hear.
[17:18] <czajkowski> AlanBell: is there anything the CC can help with ?
[17:18] <AlanBell> we are cool with it being down for a few hours, but if it went and didn't come back we would be a bit annoyed
[17:18] <AlanBell> so we want a plan for that
[17:18] <dholbach> do you have new community members helping out in the irc world?
[17:18]  * cprofitt nods to AlanBell
[17:18] <Tm_T> I wouldn't mind having more fresh blood in our ranks but as IRC administration is easily rather heavy duty I understand why we don't have that much changes
[17:19] <Tm_T> dholbach: some, but more wouldn't hurt ^
[17:19] <AlanBell> there are a few regular helpers who are not ops
[17:19] <AlanBell> some don't really want to be ops, which is fair enough
[17:20] <dholbach> did some of them take the ubuntu irc members route?
[17:20] <czajkowski> Tm_T: why do you say it's heavy duty ?
[17:20] <AlanBell> we have yet to award a membership, but we do have M4V on our agenda as a membership application
[17:21] <Tm_T> czajkowski: you know how high-paced #ubuntu can be and when we're doing our work we often face rather abusive response
[17:21] <Tm_T> and sometimes decisions have to be done rather quickly
[17:21]  * cprofitt nods at Tm_T
[17:21] <czajkowski> ok
[17:22] <Tm_T> I would love to way a find to lower the barrier to get into our irc team activity, something that doesn't necessarily require op rights
[17:22] <Tm_T> +find
[17:22] <cprofitt> Tm_T: I think there is also a realization by ops that they often represent the face of Ubuntu to users on IRC and their actions will really reflect on the project as a whole
[17:22] <Tm_T> cprofitt: that, very much so
[17:23] <pleia2> I think there was a UDS session that discussed some tasks others could take on, like bot wrangling and updating of docs
[17:24] <Tm_T> yup, that's one thing
[17:24] <dholbach> do you have a gut feeling for how well channels like #ubuntu are running, compared to earlier times? more/less bans? more/less complaints? more/less stress?
[17:24] <cprofitt> good question dholbach
[17:25] <dholbach> I just thought that the team must surely have gotten some experience over the last cycles, which probably helped
[17:25] <dholbach> but yeah, just a gut feeling would be good to hear from you :)
[17:25] <Tm_T> I feel things are more settled these days as the community has matured somewhat, others might see it differently though ):
[17:25] <AlanBell> it goes up and down, we have 1859 users in there at the moment, which is quite a lot, I think the number of bans has probably gone down
[17:25] <Tm_T> (: even
[17:26] <Tm_T> I spend more time on other channels than #ubuntu so my perspective contains those too
[17:26] <AlanBell> I might try and do some stats on the frequency of bans and kicks issued
[17:26] <Tm_T> AlanBell: that would be nice
[17:26] <AlanBell> we haven't done much time analysis on the data
[17:27] <pleia2> gut-wise I've felt things be a whole lot calmer in irc-land
[17:27] <cprofitt> I would agree pleia2
[17:27] <Tm_T> pleia2: I have a feeling that our community has succeeded on creating an environment that helps on keeping bad behaviour limited (:
[17:27] <pleia2> I do see a fair amount of "I can't get help in #ubuntu" but that's really an issue with the size of the channel, it's not really possible to avoid
[17:27] <pleia2> Tm_T: yeah
[17:27] <pleia2> and plenty of people do get help in #ubuntu
[17:28] <AlanBell> there are also good, more focussed channels
[17:28] <AlanBell> like #ubuntu-tablet/phone/steam
[17:28] <AlanBell> so they are taking some of the chatter load out of #ubuntu
[17:29] <pleia2> that's good
[17:29] <Tm_T> and flavour channels ofcourse
[17:30] <dholbach> is there anything the CC or the wider community could do to help?
[17:30] <czajkowski> AlanBell: so now things are stable and working well, what would the IRC like to work on next?
[17:31] <Tm_T> dholbach: I would love to improve communication between teams (hey, theme from UDS)
[17:31] <Tm_T> I bet there's many ways how irc team could help other teams
[17:32] <dholbach> Tm_T, nice one
[17:32] <Tm_T> maybe we should advertise "we would love to help you, come and ask!" more or something
[17:32] <pleia2> :)
[17:33] <dholbach> maybe a session at open week or user days too?
[17:33] <dholbach> (in case you haven't done one of these in a while)
[17:33]  * AlanBell wonders if there is a QML IRC client
[17:33] <Tm_T> dholbach: perhaps, but it would be nice to know what others would need from us there (:
[17:33] <pleia2> open week would be most appropriate, or stand alone sessions (I think we wanted some this cycle, but didn't get around to it yet)
[17:34] <vibhav> AlanBell: I plan on writing one :)
[17:34] <pleia2> Tm_T: aha, you have an action item :) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-r-irc-workshops
[17:35] <Tm_T> I do
[17:36] <Tm_T> but yeah, more of those would be good
[17:37] <dholbach> any more questions? :)
[17:37]  * dholbach is all set
[17:37] <czajkowski> likewise
[17:37] <cprofitt> I am as well
[17:37] <czajkowski> as we do have another board to get through
[17:38] <cprofitt> #topic Developer Advisory Team
[17:38] <AlanBell> perhaps some CC folk could pop into #ubuntu-irc-council later to chat about the email we received
[17:38] <cprofitt> welcome Developer Advisory Team!
[17:38] <cprofitt> AlanBell: will do
[17:38] <czajkowski> sure
[17:38] <dholbach> vibhav, _o/\o_
[17:38] <dholbach> hello hello :-D
[17:38] <dholbach> got any questions for us? :)
[17:38] <czajkowski> aloha :)
[17:39] <cprofitt> so how has this cycle been for the team?
[17:39] <czajkowski> dholbach: well I don't know much about the board, but I have seen it get involved in some discussion on the DMB, so I'm curious to know who the team is interacting with others and making progress?
[17:40] <dholbach> what the DAT does is mostly reaching out to development contributors... to folks who just got their first patch into Ubuntu, so we can welcome them, help them and ask for their feedback
[17:40] <vibhav> o/
[17:40] <dholbach> but we also talk to more experienced people, ask for their feedback, help them apply for upload rights if we feel they're ready
[17:40] <dholbach> and reach out to inactive folks as wlel
[17:40] <dholbach> well
[17:40] <vibhav> czajkowski: We recently had a meeting and we decided to work on some few targets
[17:41] <dholbach> we brought vibhav and jokerdino on board a couple of months ago, which was necessary as some of our old members got quite active with life
[17:41] <dholbach> the idea about working more closely with the DMB was in order to help developers who can apply for upload rights soon
[17:42] <vibhav> We also aim to help members who are rejected
[17:42] <dholbach> Iain Lane brought up the idea and we felt that it'd make sense to have a chat before folks apply, so we can either help fix the application or just take a bit more time until they apply
[17:42] <czajkowski> aye Laney does get some good ideas alright :)
[17:42] <Laney> meow
[17:42] <pleia2> :)
[17:42] <vibhav> czajkowski: Indeed
[17:43] <czajkowski> dholbach: I see the DAT focuses a lot on the develpers who are already involved, how do you get new people who may be involved locally at loco level to take the plunge
[17:44] <dholbach> that's nothing the DAT looks into really - we're mostly reacting to other people's contributions or lack of contributions I guess
[17:44] <czajkowski> ah I see
[17:44] <vibhav> czajkowski: dholbach maintains a list of New developers which is automatically updated
[17:44] <ScottK> dholbach: It might make sense to review the applications on the next DMB meeting agenda and proactively give feedback to applicants if warrented.
[17:44] <cprofitt> +1 ScottK
[17:44] <dholbach> ScottK, nice one
[17:44] <ScottK> (fwiw, we have a meeting Monday)
[17:45] <dholbach> I'm in the middle of the craziest of weeks, but I'll add something to my list
[17:45] <dholbach> and share it with the rest of the team
[17:45] <ScottK> That would also avoid it looking like talk with the DAT before applying is an actual part of the application process.
[17:46] <dholbach> no
[17:46] <dholbach> I never said that
[17:46] <ScottK> I understand.
[17:46] <dholbach> it's not necessary and shouldn't be. :-)
[17:46] <cprofitt> Is there anythink the CC can do to assist the DAT?
[17:47] <dholbach> good question :)
[17:47] <dholbach> vibhav, what do you think?
[17:47] <dholbach> vibhav, do we maybe need more hands on deck? :)
[17:47] <vibhav> dholbach: sure
[17:47] <dholbach> that's the only thing I can really think of
[17:47] <vibhav> We need people to help put with dat v2
[17:47] <dholbach> we should probably start a call for contributors some time soon again
[17:47] <dholbach> yes, that too
[17:48] <dholbach> dat v2 is the tool we're working on to help us track contributions
[17:48] <cprofitt> interesting sounding tool
[17:48] <dholbach> we've in the process of moving off of something horrible to something nice and django based
[17:48] <vibhav> The current tool we use is a bit broken
[17:48] <dholbach> but as we're all involved in all kinds of other teams, we didn't really get much done yet
[17:49] <dholbach> Andrew SB is putting some work into it right now
[17:49] <dholbach> vibhav, I'll add something to my list, so we can talk about a call for help soon
[17:49] <vibhav> Perfect
[17:49] <dholbach> :)
[17:49] <czajkowski> i take it some level of technical developer is needed in order to help out
[17:50] <dholbach> with the dat v2 yes, in general to help out the team not necessarily, although it help if you have a bit of an understanding about ubuntu development or how the development teams here work
[17:51] <vibhav> dholbach had written a small spec for dat v2
[17:51] <vibhav> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-r-dev-advisory-team
[17:51] <dholbach> vibhav, I'll have a chat with Andrew SB about it - once we have reliable data it should be much more fun to help out :)
[17:52] <czajkowski> Is there a way the CC can help ?
[17:52] <dholbach> not right now, but we might reach out to the CC some time in the future
[17:52] <vibhav> I think reaching out for new contributors for dat v2 can help
[17:53] <vibhav> Except that, we're quite fine as a team :)
[17:54] <czajkowski> nods
[17:54] <czajkowski> ok
[17:54] <czajkowski> thanks
[17:54] <czajkowski> :)
[17:55] <vibhav> :)
[17:56] <czajkowski> ok any other comments folks before we move on ?
[17:56] <dholbach> more questions? Otherwise I'd think that's a wrap. :)
[17:56] <czajkowski> going once
[17:56] <czajkowski> twice
[17:56] <czajkowski> gone
[17:56] <czajkowski> :)
[17:56] <czajkowski> #topic AOB
[17:57] <czajkowski> anyting else we need to look at folks
[17:57] <pleia2> I don't think so
[17:57] <czajkowski> I know the IRC wants to follow up on stuff we can do that after the meeting or later on
[17:57] <czajkowski> our trello looks up to date
[17:57] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[17:57] <dholbach> I'm all set
[17:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb 21 17:57:52 2013 UTC.
[17:57] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-21-17.09.moin.txt
[17:57] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-02-21-17.09.html
[17:57] <dholbach> thanks a bunch everyone!
[17:58] <cprofitt> thanks for coming everyone!
[17:58] <czajkowski> cheers


[01:35] <ahoneybun_> hey valorie
[01:35] <valorie> hi aaron
[01:35] <valorie> how are you?
[01:41] <ahoneybun> hello all
[01:42] <valorie> heh
[01:43] <valorie> I think you were already pinging out earlier
[01:45] <ahoneybun> oh
[01:47] <ahoneybun> nope I don't think so
[01:50] <valorie> ok
[01:50] <valorie> I said hi, how are you, and you didn't respond
[01:50] <ahoneybun> I moved the trello around a bit
[01:51] <ahoneybun> I might have been gone but forgot to mark myself as away
[01:53] <ahoneybun> sorry
[01:57] <valorie> np
[01:59] <ahoneybun> I cleaned up trello a bit
[02:00] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1239173] qt4-x11 - binaries linked against libQtCore don't start @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1239173 (by Matthias Klose)
[02:01] <valorie> you rock, aaron
[02:03] <ahoneybun> thanks ;)
[02:07] <ahoneybun> valorie: I made a email to the list, and told lordievader that we need to focus on the current pages not the installation page
[02:07] <valorie> within the next 6 months I'm sure we can get it all done
[02:07] <valorie> but sure
[02:09] <ahoneybun> I want to try to get a meeting for membership
[02:09] <valorie> very good idea
[02:09] <valorie> you'll have my vote
[02:10] <valorie> sec
[02:10] <ahoneybun> ok
[02:15] <ahoneybun> so we can set the goal of having it ready the next LTS
[02:15] <ahoneybun> 14.04
[02:18] <valorie> phew, final item checked off my list of things to prep for tomorrow
[02:18] <valorie> we're having the house repiped, so no water for much of the day
[02:19] <valorie> agreed; that is a really important deadline
[02:19] <valorie> the docs need to be great on both the website and on launchpad by then
[02:19] <valorie> I think the mini-docs first, so we can get lots of translations
[02:22] <ahoneybun> yea that is important to me
[02:23] <valorie> in particular, chinese dialects are important
[02:23] <valorie> some of the Indian languages
[02:23] <valorie> those are the next big thing for linux
[02:24] <ahoneybun> I want to see if my gf and her sister can make it Korean
[02:24] <valorie> that would be awesome
[02:24] <ahoneybun> they are learning it
[02:24] <valorie> oh
[02:24] <ahoneybun> still something
[02:24] <ahoneybun> good at speaking it
[02:24] <valorie> we need native speakers who also speak excellent english
[02:24] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:24] <valorie> AND know how to translate software
[02:24] <valorie> it isn't always obvious
[02:26] <ahoneybun> I need to keep contact with the people who would like to translate
[02:26] <ahoneybun> maybe get the home page and getting involved to them to translate while we work on the basic
[02:28] <valorie> yes, it would be good to make sure that it is mentioned in the get involved section
[02:29] <valorie> software needs localizing, but that is mostly done by KDE
[02:29] <valorie> our docs need translating, and that isn't really being done, afaik
[02:29] <valorie> mini-dox are the most important for translation
[02:30] <valorie> what's on the website.... to me, that's second
[02:30] <ahoneybun> yes I know but I think home and getting involved is going to be included in the mini-docs
[02:30] <valorie> sure
[02:32] <ahoneybun> so we focus on the basic page and push the home and getting involved pages for translation
[02:33] <valorie> cool
[02:34] <ahoneybun> that's the best way I think
[02:39] <ahoneybun> any way I have to get off
[02:40] <valorie> nice chatting with you aaron
[02:40] <valorie> niters
[02:40] <ahoneybun> same here see you valorie
[07:14] <soee> good morning
[10:52] <apachelogger> you know, what I like best about lunchpad .... if you click on a version in the table at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam you get a blank page in chrome
[10:53] <apachelogger> bug 923587
[10:53]  * apachelogger does the regression dance
[10:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh might Riddell replacement what shall we do
[10:54]  * apachelogger pokes shadeslayer witha  long pointy stick
[12:32]  * apachelogger wonders how we get a 1 gib iso even though we do not offer anything other than one card game compared to when we did use CD size
[12:32] <apachelogger> kde-l10n-engb	4:4.11.2-0ubuntu1
[12:32] <apachelogger> that's very important really
[12:32] <apachelogger> kdevelop-l10n	4:4.5.1-0ubuntu5
[12:32] <apachelogger> da fudge
[12:32] <apachelogger> kdevelop-php-docs-l10n	1.5.1-0ubuntu1
[12:32] <apachelogger> kdevelop-php-l10n	1.5.1-0ubuntu1
[12:32] <apachelogger> kdevplatform-l10n	1.5.1-0ubuntu1
[12:32] <apachelogger> da fudge^4
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:44] <debfx> also why is libc6-dbg on the (k)ubuntu image
[12:44] <apachelogger> apport/gdb/drkonqi I'd presume
[12:45] <apachelogger> libc6-dbg                          | eglibc                         | gdb (Recommends)
[12:45] <apachelogger> gdb                                | gdb                            | apport-kde (Recommends)
[12:48] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/OTUxySp.png
[12:48] <apachelogger> maybe we should also add the ubuntu software center
[12:48] <apachelogger> and yes, muon software center crashed
[12:48] <apachelogger> and it reproducibly does so at startup
[12:50] <apachelogger> wait what why
[12:50] <apachelogger> lol
[12:50] <apachelogger> what
[12:50] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:50] <apachelogger> no
[12:50] <apachelogger> :O
[12:50] <apachelogger> muon package has muon software manager and muon software center
[12:51] <apachelogger> [|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||]||||||||| <- anger bar
[12:51] <yofel> o.O?
[12:51] <yofel> #6  KNS3::Entry::providerId (this=0x0) at ../../../knewstuff/knewstuff3/entry.cpp:52
[12:51] <yofel> oh, fun
[12:51] <apachelogger> libphononexperimental4             | phonon                         | calligra-libs                         | Kubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>                   |           29968 |             155
[12:52] <apachelogger> wut
[12:52] <apachelogger> :O
[12:52] <apachelogger> calligra just got spooky
[12:52] <apachelogger> plasma-scriptengine-python         | kde-workspace                  | plasma-widget-facebook                | Kubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>                   |           27684 |             249
[12:53] <apachelogger> so while everyone plays with their facebook app... plasma-nm currently isn't built with openconnect and I am not actually sure that openconnect would still fit on the ISO
[12:53] <apachelogger> yofel: can you paste a dbg backtrace?
[12:53] <apachelogger> would take rather longish to download :(
[12:54] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[12:54] <apachelogger> and then there is this mount of pyware
[12:54] <yofel> http://pastebin.kde.org/p35ba0e56
[12:55] <highvoltage> jeepers. /win 16
[12:55] <highvoltage> (oops)
[12:55] <apachelogger> mysql-server-core-5.5              | mysql-5.5                      | akonadi-backend-mysql                 | Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>             |         5844454 |           18085
[12:55] <apachelogger> and that
[12:56] <apachelogger> considering that amarok has an embedded server-core
[12:56] <apachelogger> so I guess in theory there are two
[12:56] <apachelogger> and where's shadeslayer
[12:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
[12:57] <soee> uh, oh :)
[12:58] <soee> Pi & Sigma
[12:58] <BluesKaj> whoa, !
[12:59] <BluesKaj> whoa, !
[12:59] <BluesKaj> twice for emphasis
[13:00] <highvoltage> who still uses mysql anyway!?
[13:00] <highvoltage> (silly uncle rodney)
[13:16] <davmor2> apachelogger: wow dude you have anger like pulse has volume :D
[13:27] <shadeslayer_> xnox: could you have a look at bug 1182784
[13:27] <shadeslayer_> I can't reproduce it
[13:28] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_, apachelogger was looking for you everywhere-.-
[13:30] <shadeslayer_> ??
[13:31] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: why were you looking for me?
[13:32] <shadeslayer_> I didn't break whatever is broken
 bug 923587
 bug 923587 in networkmanagement (Ubuntu) "No openconnect support in plasma-widget-networkmanagement" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923587
[13:32] <yofel> -*- apachelogger does the regression dance
 shadeslayer: oh might Riddell replacement what shall we do
[13:32] <yofel> -*- apachelogger pokes shadeslayer witha  long pointy stick
[13:32] <apachelogger> also
[13:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: what script is used to update language-pack-kde-*
[13:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: also any objections to me dropping kdevelop/kdev l10n from those package's depends
[13:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: also what do we do with about-distro's broken processor label
[13:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: do we have a fix for kdesudo yet?
[13:35]  * apachelogger thinks shadeslayer_ will not ever want to replace Riddell again :P
[13:36] <debfx> how does one install a new locale these days?
[13:36] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_ can't replace Riddell :P
[13:36] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: dunno regarding lang-pack-kde-*
[13:37] <apachelogger> dunno doesn't quite cut it I am afraid
[13:37] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: no @ regarding depends
[13:37] <apachelogger> we have pointless crap on the ISO
[13:37] <apachelogger> only other solution is stop putting l10n on the ISO
[13:37] <apachelogger> debfx: locale kcm
[13:38] <smartboyhw> Stop putting l10n is not an option...
[13:39] <debfx> apachelogger: and what does it do? I assume it doesn't look at the language-selector date anymore
[13:41] <apachelogger> it does
[13:41] <debfx> regarding crap on the cd: moving ubuntu-sso-client from recommends to suggests in muon-discover will probably remove a bunch of packages from the image
[13:42] <apachelogger> debfx: maps kde langaugecode to ubuntu langaugecode then checks langauge-selector file with pkg mappings (e.g. libreoffice-foo wants libreoffice-l10n), then queries qapt and installs rubbish
[13:42] <apachelogger> -> afk
[13:42] <apachelogger> debfx: we do need it though I think
[13:42] <apachelogger> for comments and ratings
[13:49] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: we want to fix the processor label, if it's a bug in solid I can talk to afiestas_ and try and get it fixed
[13:49] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: kdesudo fix, yofel tested it and said it didn't work for him
[13:49] <shadeslayer_> but it worked for me
[13:49] <shadeslayer_> so not sure what's going on
[13:56] <yofel> shadeslayer_: how did you test, maybe I did it wrong?
[13:56] <shadeslayer_> yofel: I installed the kdesudo package , then set my language to german, and ran the command kdesudo in console
[13:56] <shadeslayer_> gave me a error message in german
[14:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: just upload the tar somewhere :P
[14:10] <yofel> shadeslayer_: nvm, works now, I did something wrong
[14:10] <yofel> on that topic: what did you even change?
[14:10] <apachelogger> po/ contained empty po files
[14:11] <ScottK> Anyone have anything they are considering uploading that we need to get in before a respin?
[14:11] <yofel> apachelogger: really o.O?
[14:11] <apachelogger> yes
[14:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: What and how long do you need?
[14:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes to yofel ^^
[14:12] <apachelogger> nothing pressing on my plate right now
[14:12] <ScottK> Ah. OK.
[14:12] <ScottK> Great.
[14:12] <apachelogger> oh
[14:12] <apachelogger> actually
[14:12] <apachelogger> about-distro coudl do with a fix
[14:12] <apachelogger> even have one, just need to package it
[14:14] <ScottK> OK.  Talk to infinity about it in #u-release when it's ready.  I'm about to vanish offline for awhile.
[14:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: that's not urgent to have in a respin though the changes have no chance for regression anyway
[14:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: We're doing a respin already.
[14:14] <apachelogger> can wait then ;)
[14:14] <ScottK> OK.
[14:22] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: yofel http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kdesudo/kdesudo_<IP_ADDRESS>+repack-2ubuntu2~ppa1.dsc
[14:22] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: Is you kdesudo work intended for saucy?
[14:22] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: yes
[14:22] <ScottK> Can it be an SRU?
[14:23] <shadeslayer_> uhm .... would prefer that it be fixed for the final release
[14:24] <AndChat|545664> Hello
[14:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: if it still fits on the ISO....
[14:25] <shadeslayer_> heh
[14:25] <apachelogger> not joking
[14:25] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: so lets fix the ISO?
[14:25] <apachelogger> we are at 1GiB, so that is a matter of bytes
[14:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: that's what I asked you for, then you said I dunno
[14:26] <shadeslayer_> regarding the l10n?
[14:26] <apachelogger> yes
[14:26] <apachelogger> easiest fix anyway
[14:26] <apachelogger> second easiest is probably preventing engb from getting on the ISO
[14:26] <apachelogger> though that may be becasue language-base-en deps it
[14:26]  * shadeslayer_ looks
[14:26] <apachelogger> so that may not actually be trivial at all
[14:27] <apachelogger> worst case scenario we have to drop the game
[14:27] <shadeslayer_> not the game :(
[14:27] <apachelogger> which is not a bad thing because it looks fing terrible in the menu
[14:27] <apachelogger> got submenus
[14:27] <apachelogger> ...
[14:27] <apachelogger> kickoff is just rubbish WRT single-item menus
[14:27] <apachelogger> it shoudl just flatten them out
[14:27] <apachelogger> but it doesnt
[14:28] <apachelogger> so you get Games->CardGames->Kittens->KittensCardGameBestOfTheWorldHashTagKittenHashTagOccupygovernment
[14:28] <shadeslayer_> :D
[14:29] <apachelogger> new review type for 14.04
[14:29] <apachelogger> ISO content review
[14:29]  * debfx is sad because he has no kittens card game :(
[14:31] <shadeslayer_> why is there kdevelop-l10n on the CD :S
[14:31] <shadeslayer_> and libktorrent-l10n
[14:31] <apachelogger> see backlog....
[14:31] <shadeslayer_> whaiiii
[14:31] <apachelogger> libktorrent makes sense
[14:31] <apachelogger> because we have ktorrent on the ISO
[14:31] <apachelogger> kdev* not so much
[14:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: hurry then. talk to infinity in #u-release if l'm not around.
[14:33] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: backlog doesn't explain how it landed there
[14:35] <apachelogger> >>> apt-cache show language-pack-kde-de |grep Depends
[14:35] <apachelogger> Depends: language-pack-de, kde-l10n-de, k3b-i18n, kdevelop-l10n, kdevelop-php-docs-l10n, kdevelop-php-l10n, calligra-l10n-de
[14:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[14:35] <shadeslayer> o_o
[14:35] <apachelogger> introduced by Riddell in quantal
[14:35] <apachelogger> I have no idea why
[14:35] <apachelogger> but it is wrong and should be fixed
[14:35] <shadeslayer> I don't see language-pack-kde-de in the manifest?
[14:35] <apachelogger> oh
[14:35] <shadeslayer> uhm
[14:35] <shadeslayer> libgettextpo-dev:amd64	<IP_ADDRESS>-10ubuntu3
[14:35] <apachelogger> language-pack-kde-de	1:13.10+20130813.0ubuntu1
[14:35] <shadeslayer> on the CD
[14:36] <shadeslayer> why do we have a -dev package on the ISO
[14:36] <shadeslayer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/pending/saucy-desktop-amd64.manifest
[14:36]  * apachelogger notes that letting his phone idle on upnp device search is bad for battery
[14:37] <apachelogger> libgettextpo-dev                 | gettext                          | gettext                                  | Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>    |          149402 |             515
[14:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[14:37] <debfx> shadeslayer: they are pulled in by language-pack-kde-en
[14:38] <apachelogger> oh
[14:38] <apachelogger> oho
[14:38] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhoooooooooooooooooooo
[14:38] <apachelogger> we have aptdaemon
[14:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I'd definitely hold respin right now
[14:38] <apachelogger> aptdaemon definitely should not be on the seed
[14:39] <shadeslayer> wtf happened to the seeds :/
[14:39] <apachelogger> python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat       | aptdaemon                        | ubuntu-drivers-common (Recommends)       | Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>    |           36860 |             269
[14:39] <apachelogger> wtf
[14:39] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:39] <apachelogger> WHAT DA FUCK
[14:39] <debfx> pulled in by ubuntu-drivers-common
[14:39]  * apachelogger throws keyboard at channel wall
[14:39] <shadeslayer> but we don't depend on u-d-c
[14:39] <shadeslayer> we still use jockey
[14:40] <apachelogger> s-p probably deps on u-d-c
[14:40] <apachelogger> this pulls in all sorts of shit
[14:40] <apachelogger> ubuntu-drivers-common            | ubuntu-drivers-common            | Kubuntu.Saucy desktop-common seed        | Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>    |           34202 |             222
[14:40] <apachelogger> actually it's an explicit seed
[14:40] <shadeslayer> I don't see it in the seed
[14:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: afiestas_ tells me he has a fix for the processor bug
[14:41]  * apachelogger sighs in despair
[14:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: weeeh
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Guys, keep calm......
[14:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: desktop-common is platform seed I think
[14:41] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[14:42] <debfx> it's also pulled in by ubiquity
[14:42] <apachelogger> debfx: not according to germinate
[14:43] <debfx> it probably doesn't show dependencies when it's explicitly seeded anyway
[14:43] <apachelogger> possible
[14:44] <apachelogger> well
[14:44] <apachelogger> to get this handled globally
[14:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I'd make a fake package muon-pkcompat-stub ... change u-d-c to Recommends: aptdaemonblahblah | muon-pkcompat-stub ... seed muon-pkgcompat-stub for kubuntu-desktop
[14:45] <shadeslayer> ugh
[14:45] <apachelogger> then whenever we pick up u-d-c we provide the stub package and transition
[14:46] <apachelogger> it would totally help if jon the taco was here.....
[14:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's my suggestion anyway, u-release may have more sensible ideas :P
[14:47] <shadeslayer> and what do you want to do about l10n
[14:47] <shadeslayer> because we also have to solve that
[14:47] <apachelogger> may be that aptdaemon alone would give enough buffer for 13.10
[14:47] <apachelogger> it's a whole pile of dirt that is pulled in by it
[14:48] <apachelogger> for l10n I'd remove the dep from the metapackage
[14:48] <apachelogger> or demote to suggests
[14:48] <apachelogger> alas, I have no idea whether there is a script to manage these metapackages
[14:49]  * apachelogger ponders introducing a separate board to manage reveiw deadlines for 14.04
[14:49] <apachelogger> half the cards on my screen are reviews
[14:49] <shadeslayer> review the reviews
[14:49] <debfx> I'm sure u-release will be pleased if we start mass uploading all kde lang packages ^^
[14:49] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:50] <apachelogger> well, it's just the metapackages :P
[14:50] <apachelogger> easy review
[14:50] <apachelogger> in fact
[14:50] <apachelogger> we could also just fiddle with the important ones
[14:51] <apachelogger> actually only -de -engb
[14:51] <apachelogger> there's no space for any other language anyway
[14:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^ least impactful proposal
[14:52] <apachelogger> whatever pleases u-relase :P
[14:54]  * shadeslayer thinks fiddling with language-pack-kde-{en,de} is a better solution for now
[14:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and since we are holding respin perhaps ask them nicely to push about-distro through so it gets in as well
[14:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also does u-release agree with that course of action? :P
[14:55] <shadeslayer> haven't asked
[14:55] <shadeslayer> asking now
[14:57] <apachelogger> ohm
[14:57] <apachelogger> them packages are a mess already
[14:57] <apachelogger> -de depends calligra-l10n, -en does not
[14:58] <apachelogger> instead -en depends on kde-l10n-engb twice
[14:58] <apachelogger> oh there is no calligra-engb surprise
[14:59] <afiestas_> apachelogger: shadeslayer https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/113242/
[14:59] <afiestas_> please, test it on older kubuntu to make sure that it works with the old udev
[15:01] <apachelogger> good thing I am on raring then xD
[15:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I have changes for -de/en ready
 shadeslayer: Also, the point of langpacks is to actually give language support for all your stuff.  That might not be the best solution.
 shadeslayer: Anyhow, I'd rather just raise the limit than try to hack things too hard here.
[15:02] <shadeslayer> raise limit ^^ ? :P
[15:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: limit?
[15:03] <afiestas_> apachelogger:  does this file exists in your system? /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
[15:03] <apachelogger> afiestas_: that's a directory, and it exists
[15:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: limit of the ISO
[15:04] <shadeslayer> *size limit of the ISO
[15:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that does not have kubuntu council backing right now
[15:04] <afiestas_> apachelogger: so if you do solid-hardware query "Is Processor"
[15:04] <shadeslayer> join #ubuntu-release plz
[15:04] <afiestas_> it returns nothing?
[15:09] <apachelogger> afiestas_: I am an old udev
[15:09] <apachelogger> I get all my cores if I query
[15:09] <apachelogger> udi = '/org/kde/solid/udev/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXCPU:00' to 07
[15:10] <afiestas_> apachelogger: so this file exists as well? /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/sysdev/cpufreq
[15:10] <apachelogger> >>> file /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/sysdev/cpufreq
[15:10] <apachelogger> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/sysdev/cpufreq: ERROR: cannot open `/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/sysdev/cpufreq' (No such file or directory)
[15:14] <apachelogger> building patch
[15:16] <apachelogger> ohm
[15:16] <apachelogger> afiestas_: stack exhaustion with the patch
[15:16] <apachelogger> inside strcpy
[15:16] <shadeslayer> o_o
[15:16]  * shadeslayer is building package for saucy
[15:17] <apachelogger> or maybe I am doing it wrong :O
[15:17] <apachelogger> where could the patch cause bogus strcpy
[15:21] <apachelogger> inside qlocale
[15:21] <apachelogger> WTF
[15:21] <apachelogger> today is really not my day
[15:27] <BluesKaj> we have weird problem , a user is able get to a desktop , but he can't get to a TTY , just a blank screen with blinking cursor , any dieas ?
[15:30] <afiestas_> apachelogger: I'd say... that's not my bug xD
[15:34] <apachelogger> afiestas_: yeah, rebuilding all of kdelibs now
[15:35] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: bad init maybe
[15:36] <apachelogger> or bad kernel mode setting
[15:36] <apachelogger> can be many things
[15:36] <apachelogger> if `ps -A |grep tty` lists a bunch of getty tasks the TTYs are running, suggesting a problem with KMS
[15:37] <BluesKaj> thanks apachelogger , we'll check that out
[15:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: uploaded
[15:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: afiestas_'s patch works for me
[15:56] <apachelogger> you are not on raring, are you? :P
[15:56] <shadeslayer> no
[15:56] <shadeslayer> ofcourse not :P
[15:58] <ScottK> Looking
[15:58] <ScottK> Or not.
[15:59] <apachelogger> lol
[16:00] <apachelogger> l10n is WAAAAAY better than raring
[16:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: in saucy?
[16:00] <apachelogger> yus
[16:01] <shadeslayer> are you being sarcastic?
[16:01] <apachelogger> not sure if Riddell got patched l10n/kubuntu l10n sorted though
[16:01] <shadeslayer> I cannot tell
[16:01] <apachelogger> I dared not open the kubuntu apps
[16:01] <apachelogger> kubotu: 8ball does kubuntu l10n work?
[16:01]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... outlook not so good
[16:01] <apachelogger> oh my
[16:01] <shadeslayer> :(
[16:01] <apachelogger> that's totally pitti's fault though :P
[16:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and your ISO bug is a bit bad
[16:03] <shadeslayer> ISO bug?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:03] <shadeslayer> langpacks on my machine?
[16:03] <apachelogger> in LANG
[16:03] <shadeslayer> right
[16:03] <shadeslayer> can you explain what the heck is happening there?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> because I logged out/in and it works
[16:03] <shadeslayer> + now
[16:03] <apachelogger> well not why your system insist on being german :P
[16:04] <apachelogger> but the bogus encoding in env comes from klocale/qlocale/kcm getting confused
[16:04] <shadeslayer> oic
[16:04] <apachelogger> basically if it canot detect the encoding it goes we be using ISO
[16:04] <apachelogger> can have terrible fallout
[16:04] <apachelogger> so that needs fixing
[16:05] <apachelogger> though I am not sure how that could happen because that was supposed to be fixed in .04 even -.-
[16:06] <apachelogger> unless you had a bad env since .04 pre-release
[16:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is that $HOME older than .04 final?
[16:06] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:06] <apachelogger> bad
[16:07] <shadeslayer> IIRC I repartitioned when installing saucy]
[16:08] <apachelogger> bug 1234106 is also pretty eww
[16:08] <shadeslayer> how would one go about fixing that
[16:08] <apachelogger> find someone who knows setup.py and inttool
[16:08] <apachelogger> because I think in theory it can extrac qt ui files, it just doesn't for some reason
[16:09] <apachelogger> otherwise one would have to twiddle in kubuntu-l10n stuff
[16:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I cannot corrupt my encoding btw
[16:10] <shadeslayer> it works perfectly for you?
[16:11] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:11] <shadeslayer> *shrug*
[16:12] <shadeslayer> like d_ed would say
[16:12] <shadeslayer> maybe I was being a muppet
[16:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you by any chance start the kcm/systemsettings with LANG=C?
[16:13] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[16:13] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: saw your mails about the trello boards
[16:13] <ovidiu-florin> regarding the UFW-KDE project, the code is up on the repo.
[16:14] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:14] <ovidiu-florin> what's next?
[16:14] <apachelogger> wait for 14.04 development to open
[16:14] <apachelogger> can't do much until then
[16:14] <ovidiu-florin> I'll test the code in a VM
[16:14] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:14] <ovidiu-florin> on 13.10
[16:14] <ovidiu-florin> is that ok/?
[16:14] <apachelogger> next step would be a code and UI review
[16:14] <apachelogger> see if things need fixing etc.
[16:14] <apachelogger> then package for 14.04
[16:14] <ovidiu-florin> ok ;)
[16:18] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/KZzeZJQ.png
[16:18] <apachelogger> kubuntu l10n still kaput
[16:18] <apachelogger> you know
[16:18] <apachelogger> for 14.04 I'll just write an own script to handle that stuff
[16:20] <shadeslayer> cool
[17:00] <apachelogger> quick look at lunchpad api makes me doubt that one can actually do that :O
[17:03] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/langpack-o-matic/main/revision/446
[17:03] <apachelogger> one gets to wonder
[17:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: They accept patches to extend the API if needed.
[17:05] <apachelogger> because I am a very useful python web programmer :P
[17:06] <BluesKaj> well, NM seems to be working fine , but the vpn connection icon isn't appearing. When connected via vpn the NM icon has a red dsiconnected icon showing on top of it
[17:07] <BluesKaj> openvpn connection that is
[17:08] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: bugs.kde.org
[17:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: I suppose that is somewhat complicated actually... you can get all templates and all translation files of all templates but there is simply no facility to download the file (well, and for the oddest of all reasons a translation file is not linked to a language apiwise)
[17:11] <apachelogger> though the per-language download is also not supported via the web ui
[17:11] <apachelogger> so I suppose that this simply does not exist at all
[17:18] <apachelogger> ohohoho
[17:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: kubuntu-patched-l10n is in the language-pack
[17:18] <apachelogger> the other rubbish is not
[17:23] <apachelogger> I pinged the pitti
[17:23] <apachelogger> if we could get that resolved for final that would be uberawesome
[17:23] <apachelogger> and with that I am off
[17:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^ in case you want to follow up on that as well
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ack tracking that
[17:28] <shadeslayer> I'm around for another half an hour
[18:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer, apachelogger: Win - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20131014.1/ - no complaints about oversize with the new kdesudo.
[19:46] <ahoneybun> hey lordievader
[19:48] <ahoneybun> so what is included in the 13.10 kubuntu-docs package?
[23:47] <apol> apachelogger: http://commits.kde.org/muon/507369783f3dc6d485866071c66cce88683f69cb
[23:47] <apol> this should fix the problem you told me about
[23:47] <apol> apachelogger: btw, it wasn't reported on bko


[07:41] <jpds> Pardon.
[07:56] <DJones> This possibly explains that ->  Honvai> wilee-nilee, I have been blocked from ubuntu-fi because there is not understood me
[07:58] <Tm_T> DJones: he's our special case (:
[07:59] <DJones> Ah well, pointed him at -irc anyway
[09:45] <Myrtti> DJones: usually idoru seems to kill those anyway
[09:45] <DJones> Myrtti: Yeah, its been klined
[09:45] <DJones> Saw that after I've banned it, going to remove the ban in a minute
[13:08] <HelpMyD> can someone unban me? /my bouncer
[13:08] <HelpMyD> My bouncer is banned, not sure, if because of constant disconnection.
[13:09] <HelpMyD> and rejoin again in the channel
[13:09] <Pricey> HelpMyD: From what channel?
[13:09] <HelpMyD> #ubuntu
[13:10] <Pricey> @btlogin
[13:10] <HelpMyD> ?
[13:11] <HelpMyD> I have sent you a banned mask/host.
[13:11] <Pricey> Thanks, will look.
[13:11] <Pricey> That was just me failing at using one of our bots.
[13:13] <HelpMyD> ok, am I unbanned?
[13:14] <Pricey> I've not done anything yet.
[13:17] <HelpMyD> Why not?
[13:17] <HelpMyD> Whats ETA for unbanning/
[13:18] <Pricey> @login
[13:18] <HelpMyD> @login
[13:18] <IdleOne> Pricey: what is the mask?
[13:18] <HelpMyD> heh
[13:18] <Pricey> HelpMyD: Just trying to figure out what went wrong. Will have to do it the long way!
[13:19] <HelpMyD> I've PM'd you mask IdleOne
[13:19] <HelpMyD> Pricey: ok, I can wait :)
[13:19] <PriceChild> @login
[13:19] <IdleOne> If I recall correctly that shell provider was banned due to a large amount of abuse in lack of response/support from the admins.
[13:20] <IdleOne> s/in/and/
[13:20] <HelpMyD> Which abuse?
[13:20] <Pricey> IdleOne: There is a specific ban, not on the shell provider.
[13:20] <HelpMyD> I didn't get any abuse complainant, and we monitor all our servers.
[13:20] <IdleOne> hmm give me a minute to look closer
[13:20] <Pricey> on the full hostname
[13:24] <HelpMyD> Pricey: why dont you just /msg ChanServ UNBAN #ubuntu nick!user@host
[13:24] <HelpMyD>  /cs help unban
[13:24] <IdleOne> ok. So it looks like 26 March 2013 you joined #ubuntu seeking support, had a little bit of a poor attitude towards the volunteers in the channel, used some mild foul language, and then posted a link to some website that had nothing to do with Ubuntu support. You were also a tad impatient
[13:24] <IdleOne> HelpMyD: because that is not how we do things.
[13:24] <HelpMyD> ok
[13:24] <Pricey> HelpMyD: I don't want to step on anyone's toes. :-) People don't always take it kindly if you reverse their decisions without consulting them.
[13:25] <HelpMyD> IdleOne: I was mad because I didn't get support
[13:25] <IdleOne> I can understand frustration but that is not an excuse for bad behaviour, especially when you have been asked to stop.
[13:26] <Pricey> ubottu: whoami
[13:26] <Pricey> @whoami
[13:27] <IdleOne> HelpMyD: I am willing to remove the ban but I need you to agree to follow our channel guidelines before I do.
[13:27] <IdleOne> !guidelines
[13:27] <IdleOne> you can read them there ^
[13:28] <HelpMyD> I agree
[13:28] <HelpMyD> and I know them already, I am 2 years on freenode.
[13:28] <IdleOne> no way you read them in 16 seconds
[13:28] <HelpMyD> wow
[13:28] <HelpMyD> Registered : Apr 05 16:33:55 2011 (2 years, 0 weeks, 0 days, 20:54:37 ago)
[13:28] <HelpMyD> Exactly 2 years :)
[13:28] <IdleOne> if you knew them you would not have cursed in #ubuntu
[13:29] <IdleOne> seeing how you are being uncooperative I think maybe it is best to leave the ban in place for a little longer
[13:29] <HelpMyD> I am reading, but I already know them
[13:31] <IdleOne> ok, so you are certain you can use #ubuntu and follow our guidelines?
[13:31] <HelpMyD> Yes
[13:32] <IdleOne> Thank you. have a good day.
[13:33] <HelpMyD> thank
[13:33] <HelpMyD> thanks
[13:33] <IdleOne> Please remember to /part this channel.
[13:33] <elky> "a tad impatient" is an understatement judging by that exchange.
[13:33] <IdleOne> indeed :/
[13:38] <Pricey> Impatient?
[13:39] <IdleOne> telling you <HelpMyD> Pricey: why dont you just /msg ChanServ UNBAN #ubuntu nick!user@host
[13:39] <IdleOne> that read as impatient
[13:39] <elky> oh, i picked it before then
[13:39] <Pricey> He was happy to ask in #ubuntu how to remove the ban and then come here to ask about it. I'd say that's quiet patient with the processes.
[13:40] <Pricey> *quite
[13:40] <IdleOne> as a BNC "founder" he should know better then to ban evade to find out how to get a ban removed.
[13:40] <IdleOne> anyway, over now.
[13:42] <Pricey> It is perhaps surprising that he knew about 'unban' but not 'flags'. Still, I am happy assuming good faith.
[13:43] <elky> impatience is rarely malicious.
[13:43] <Pricey> I don't suppose anyone could help me fix "<+Pricey> @login | < ubottu> Error: You are not identified"?
[13:44] <elky> Pricey, did you expire from some groups perhaps?
[13:44] <Pricey> I'm in the right groups on lp... irc nicks listed... identified to nickserv.
[13:44] <elky> i'm out of ideas then.
[13:44] <Pricey> I've a funny feeling it may have an out of date hostmask for me...
[13:45] <Fuchs> /scloak Pricey ubuntu/member/pricechild
[13:46] <Pricey> Fuchs: ubuntu... pdpc... ubuntu+pdpc... pricey/pricechild? Does ubottu even still identify users by hostmask?
[13:46] <Fuchs> we just set an instance up, and I think that one does, but you can add new masks to it
[13:46] <Fuchs> (given it is a supybot)
[13:47] <Pricey> Also you'd fired me if I got someone to abuse services to hack my way into a user's bot.
[13:47] <Pricey> *fire
[13:47] <Pricey> I used to have admin rights to ubottu or one of its predecessors too. I suck.
[13:50] <Fuchs> aww *comfortcuddles pricey*    let me look up that command
[13:55] <Pricey> Could an admin '/msg ubottu user hostmask list pricechild' to see if my hostmask is up to date... then choose whether to update it or banish me please?
[13:55] <Fuchs> plz2notbanish, Pricey is awesome
[13:56]  * Fuchs shuts up
[13:56] <elky> Pici might appear some time soon perhaps
[13:56]  * Pici is here
[13:56] <Pici> but ubottu is giving me an error
[13:56] <Pricey> Pici: @login?
 Error: You may only retrieve your own hostmasks.
[13:57] <elky> useful
[13:57] <Pici> yes. very.
[13:57] <IdleOne> are you typing pici or Pici ?
[13:57] <IdleOne> case sensitive
[13:57] <Pici> IdleOne: did you try turning it off and on again?
[13:57] <Pricey> Are you sure its plugged in?
[13:58] <Pici> anyway, I need to run to a meeting, ubottu's user registration has always confused me anyway.
[13:58] <IdleOne> the other guy got banned for impatience, you people are just mean :(
[13:58] <Pricey> Is jussi the admin? (Please check my user hostmask? I can't @login)
[14:12] <tsimpson> @haveidentifymsg
[14:12] <tsimpson> @identifymsg
[14:12] <tsimpson> Pricey: try again
[14:13] <tsimpson> sometimes identify-msg gets knocked off when the bot gets disconnected
[14:14] <tsimpson> Pici: ^ too
[14:17] <elky> @login
[14:17] <elky> works for me at least
[14:29] <Pricey> @login
[14:29] <Pricey> @btlogin
[14:30] <Pricey> Awesome, thanks tsimpson.
[20:03] <Pici> roaring rangtail
[21:53] <Myrtti> ubuntulog is still missing?
 How to install ubutnu in shell
[21:58] <bazhang> spelling it correctly would be a good start
[22:23] <bazhang> harris pretty much defines "impatient"
[22:24] <bazhang> wasn't he the one who was doing that earlier, as well asking to be an op?