[12:01] <nmorse> Got to go pick up newspapers and eat Chinese
[12:01] <Church_of_FoamY> kk
[12:01] <Church_of_FoamY> damnit
[12:48] <membreya> aside from Konqueror and Firefox..what browsers do people recommend? bearing in mind I run an amd64
[12:48] <transgress> nothing?
[12:48] <membreya> :P
[12:48] <transgress> why do you need anything else?
[12:49] <membreya> rendering problems....that and some sites that I visit that use javascript appear to lock up ..but they just take ages to respond (ie web based SMS)
[12:52] <judax> you could try mozilla, but I find that what Konq can't do FF usually takes care of, but that is my mileage.  Opera is an option, but I never got hooked on Opera
[01:09] <closure> is breezy out?
[01:09] <closure> i just got a linux image update
[01:10] <KaiL_> and?
[01:10] <closure> err upgrade
[01:10] <KaiL_> that's a security update
[01:10] <closure> well i figured it might mean breezy was out
[01:10] <closure> that it could be time to change the repo's
[01:10] <membreya> judax: opera doesn't have a 64bit version
[01:10] <KaiL_> uhm, breezy will be out in October
[01:10] <closure> ok
[01:10] <KaiL_> you know, that hoary is only a month old? ;)
[01:11] <closure> i thought we were on a 6 month release thing
[01:11] <closure> no way
[01:11] <KaiL_> closure: we are :)
[01:11] <judax> you don't have to run *everything* in 64-bit :)
[01:11] <closure> i've been using this shit for lik 5 months
[01:11] <KaiL_> http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=02533#0 << hoary final
[01:11] <closure> KaiL_, you a damn lie
[01:11] <membreya> judax: chrooting defeats the purpose of having a pure 64bit distro :P
[01:11] <closure> >8-P
[01:11] <KaiL_> ok, 1 1/2 month
[01:12] <timlinux_> hi I am trying to install kdelibs4-dev, but apt complains : kdelibs4-dev: Depends: kdelibs4 (= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1 is to be installed etc. How do I get it installed? Its a relatively fresh virgin install of kubuntu...
[01:12] <closure> KaiL_, how come your script got taken out of the topic? people still come and ask about tha
[01:12] <closure> t
[01:12] <judax> membreya: true, I have an AMD 64 system myself, but have not dedicated it yet
[01:13] <KaiL_> timlinux_: do a apt-get upgrade before
[01:13] <Pupeno> How do I change my default console editor (from nano) to vim ?
[01:13] <KaiL_> closure: afaik not any more since today morning
[01:13] <KaiL_> ....or??????????
[01:14] <timlinux_> Pupeno: export EDITOR=vim
[01:14] <Pupeno> thanks
[01:14] <timlinux_> KaiL_: my box is already upgraded & up to date
[01:14] <KaiL_> closure: or even better, use the source in the topic as a solution :)
[01:15] <KaiL_> timlinux_: uhm, then you should have kdelibs .....ubuntu3.1
[01:16] <timlinux_> KaiL_: I have :  ii  kdelibs4       3.4.0-0ubuntu3 KDE core libraries .... I'm trying to get the kdelibs-dev installed
[01:16] <KaiL_> ...so not updated ;)
[01:16] <timlinux_> 3.1?
[01:16] <KaiL_> there's kdelibs4-3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1 in hoary-security
[01:17] <KaiL_> 7me loves this version numbers, really ;)
[01:17] <timlinux_> hmm so why doesnt it come through with my apt-get upgrade I wonder
[01:17] <KaiL_> try dist-upgrade
[01:17] <KaiL_> shouldn't be it, but who knows..:)
[01:18] <timlinux_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:18] <KaiL_> you have hoary-security enabled in sources.list? ;)
[01:19] <timlinux_> yes
[01:19] <KaiL_> hoary-updates too?
[01:19] <KaiL_> hmm, both in security - that's silly
[01:20] <timlinux_> yep
[01:20] <timlinux_> I uncommented all availabel repos in default sources list
[01:20] <KaiL_> hard way:
[01:20] <KaiL_> apt-get install kdelibs4
[01:21] <timlinux_> kdelibs4 is already the newest version.
[01:22] <timlinux_> all I want is to write a manky little applet in kdevelop :-(
[01:24] <KaiL_> silly
[01:24] <timlinux_> KaiL_: Im mystified
[01:25] <timlinux_> KaiL_: if I try do it in aptitude (which I hate but thats a different matter), it tries to *downgrade* kdelibs4 and rip out half the packages in my system
[01:25] <KaiL_> downgrade kdelibs4 to ubuntu3?
[01:30] <timlinux_> KaiL_: Im not sure
[01:58] <Mez> anyone in here?
[01:59] <frank> sometimes...
[01:59] <Mez> the kubuntu CD for install
[01:59] <Diablo-D3> no ones here
[01:59] <Mez> I'm assuming it just installs KDE not gnome?
[01:59] <KaiL_> yes
[01:59] <Mez> not kde and gnome *
[01:59] <frank> Mez, yeah
[02:00] <Mez> thats ok
[02:00] <Mez> kde is purdy
[02:00] <Mez> but can be slow...
[02:00] <Mez> I'm torn whether i want KDE or gnome
[02:00] <frank> I tried gnome at first and switched to kde
[02:00] <Mez> kde = shineh and good looking
[02:00] <frank> KDE is as fast as gnome for me
[02:00] <Mez> but the windows seem to take ages to load
[02:01] <Mez> vbut then i had gnome + kde installed thn (installed kubuntu off gnome base)
[02:01] <frank> that's what I did too
[02:01] <Mez> does it still run the same?
[02:01] <frank> what do you mean?
[02:02] <Mez> I mean well
[02:02] <Mez> I trid it and it seemed a bit slow
[02:02] <Mez> but it's shineh and all
[02:03] <frank> I have lots of ram and a good cpu, maybe thats why I don't really see a difference in speed
[02:03] <Mez> ^memstats
[02:03] <Mez> [ep]  RAM Usage: 460MB/512MB ( [|||||:]  89.9% ) - Pagefile: 401MB/1.22GB ( [||::::]  32.15% ) - Virtual: 53.4MB/2.00GB ( [::::::]  2.61% )
[02:03] <Mez> ^cpu
[02:03] <Mez> [ep]  CPU(s): 1-AMD , 2166MHz, 256KB (x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1)
[02:04] <frank> I have a gig of ram and run the amd64 version of ubuntu which I heard is faster than the x86 version
[02:05] <Mez> *shrugS*
[02:05] <Mez> well i dont have a pc that good
[02:05] <frank> :)
[02:05] <Mez> wanna buy me one?
[02:06] <Mez> :P
[02:06] <Mez> '_)
[02:10] <transgress> mez you suck.  don't do that.
[02:10] <Mez> dont do what ?
[02:11] <transgress> mirc colors
[02:11] <Mez> lol
[02:11] <Mez> shame no ops
[02:11] <Mez> It's auto as part of this script
[02:11] <transgress> well turn the stupid shit off... a linux channel is no place for windows spam
[02:13] <Mez> woah, wait a minute. I was tryiong to show someone some stats in the quickest way possible
[02:13] <Mez> I'm running windows at the moment cause I HAVE to.
[02:13] <Mez> not becuas ei want to
 well i dont have a pc that good << lol?
[02:13] <KaiL_> what do you want?
[02:14] <KaiL_> that's above 2GHz...
[02:14] <judax> sometimes you are at work, with only a windows box available, and you still want to chat about your linux at home
[02:14] <Mez> huh KaiL_?
[02:14] <Mez> well said judax
[02:14] <Mez> yeah I mean... I dont have a AMD 64 ;)
[02:14] <KaiL_> 2166MHz is written there
[02:14] <KaiL_> ah, ok
[02:15] <Mez> hmm
[02:15] <KaiL_> KDE is fast even on a K6-2/500
[02:15] <Mez> kynaptic... i saw irt briefly while using KDE on top of Gnome.
[02:15] <Mez> does it have a "search" feature?
[02:15] <Mez> K6-2 ?
[02:15] <KaiL_> kynaptic? well, use the gnome one (synaptic)
[02:15] <KaiL_> yes
[02:15] <Mez> arent K6 like - ht processors afore the AMD Athlon XPs
[02:16] <KaiL_> bingo
[02:16] <transgress> chatting about your windows box doesn't involve adding colors and shit that many of us can't even read ... sorry to sound rude, but it's annoying.
[02:16] <KaiL_> before the Athlon "Thunderbird" before the original "K7" Athlon :)
[02:16] <Mez> transgress... from a windows box
[02:16] <KaiL_> ....from 1998 or so
[02:16] <Mez> so why does KDE runn faster on that then
[02:16] <transgress> err yes... from
[02:16] <Mez> lmao
[02:16] <Mez> well - to be fair...
[02:17] <Mez> why not use Xchat...
[02:17] <Mez> which CAN red the colours
[02:17] <transgress> because i like irssi
[02:17] <Mez> and i guess most people here would be using
[02:17] <Diablo-D3> Mez: because they dont?
[02:17] <transgress> and i shouldn't have to deal with mirc shit in a linux channel
[02:17] <KaiL_> colors in chats are 99% of the time useless
[02:17] <transgress> Mez: you guess wrong... this is a kubuntu channel... it's not a kde package...
[02:17] <Mez> isnt it?
[02:18] <Mez> I thought xchat came as default with both
[02:18] <transgress> no
[02:18] <transgress> it's built with gtk
[02:18] <KaiL_> << xchat with disabled fonts
[02:18] <KaiL_> :)
[02:18] <KaiL_> eh
[02:18] <KaiL_> disabled colors
[02:18] <Mez> to be fair...
[02:18] <Mez> I normally just set a channel +S if I'm on it
[02:18] <Mez> which i assumed this would be
[02:18] <KaiL_> +S is filter colors?
[02:18] <Mez> I dont even realise the thg uses colours
[02:18] <Mez> yeah
[02:18] <Mez> normally
[02:19] <Mez> S = Strips mIRC color codes [o]
[02:19] <Mez> c = Block messages containing mIRC color codes [o]
[02:19] <KaiL_> we didn't need it until now :)
[02:19] <transgress> mmm sounds like +c would be better
[02:19] <transgress> and to be fair...
[02:19] <KaiL_> transgress: +c is anoying, really
[02:20] <transgress> the enter key isn't punctuation, and it's unfair to ask an entire channel to do something to suit _your_ needs
[02:20] <KaiL_> why not silently fix this "problem"? ;)
[02:21] <Mez> w00
[02:21] <judax> transgress: that is exactly what you are asking...
[02:21] <Mez> someones picking on me in a chat room yay
[02:21] <transgress> i'm not asking an entire channel
[02:21] <transgress> i'm asking 1 user
[02:21] <transgress> to suit the needs of many in the channel
[02:21] <KaiL_> I always wonder, why so many users can't just ignore those colors silently?
[02:22] <KaiL_> eigher technically or mentally
[02:22] <Mez> yeah, espescially seeing as... well... when they're used
[02:22] <transgress> not sure how to in irssi... and i can't read them half the time in irssi...
[02:22] <Mez> they're rarely used purposely to piss people off
[02:22] <Mez> they're just spurious output from a script
[02:23] <KaiL_> mosts scripts are also made to piss people off :p
[02:23] <Mez> lol
[02:23] <Mez> true
[02:23] <Mez> but that script was to provide information
[02:24] <transgress> because 2ghz, 512 megs of ram is hard to type
[02:24] <Mez> ok, it probably does piss people off ;) but i barel use it
[02:24] <Mez> it is when i cant rememebr what config this PC is.
[02:24] <Mez> seeing as i'm regularly using that many differnt PCs that I cant remmeber which one has whcih config
[02:26] <Mez> oh, another question.... using KDE... whats the easiest way to set Firefox as the default browser instead of Konqueror
[02:26] <transgress> kcontrol
[02:26] <Mez> (even though FF looked fugly in KDE earlier - i guess that was cause ti was built for gtk)
[02:27] <KaiL_> Mez: I was once admin for >>50 Computers and knew each configuration by mind, if you only told be the hostname :)
[02:27] <KaiL_> so baaaaaaad excuse
[02:27] <Mez> KaiL_... I'm lazy, I'm tired...
[02:27] <KaiL_> personally I have currently 5 ;)
[02:27] <transgress> eh that's what i thought too, but figured i'd just let it slide
[02:27] <Mez> I could probably work out what it was... but lazyness overcomes
[02:29] <KaiL_> at least that's NOT an "old computer"
[02:29] <KaiL_> "old computer" is maybe a Pentium Classic (remember, what that is?)
[02:30] <Mez> lol
[02:30] <Mez> ah
[02:30] <Mez> I remember trying to run Redhat 7 on my old233 MHz laptop
[02:30] <Mez> lmao
[02:31] <KaiL_> RAM?
[02:32] <frank> Every second line is black in ark . Anyone else have this problem? fix?
[02:33] <transgress> is it perhaps your theme frank?
[02:33] <frank> I tried different themes with the same result
[02:36] <Mez> when iturn i'll be in kubuntu hopefully
[03:02] <Razor-X> hey
[03:05] <Tezkah> hi
[03:38] <transgress> hey anyone know the repo to install baghira?
[03:39] <KaiL_> universe has at least the kwin part
[03:40] <transgress> ah okay neat
[03:40] <DiabloD3> I hate baghira
[03:40] <DiabloD3> ugliest. theme. ever.
[03:40] <transgress> did i ask your opinion on it?
[03:40] <sirk> transgress, rephrase.
[03:41] <DiabloD3> transgress: PLASTIK FOREVER!
[03:41] <sirk> "did I remove my cock from your mouth??"
[03:41] <DiabloD3> VIVA LA PLASTIQUE!
[03:46] <closure> baghira > *
[03:46] <closure> >8-)
[03:47] <NTolerance> baghira is sweet
[03:47] <transgress> there any other themes in apt?
[03:47] <NTolerance> the only theme i've seen so far that has mouseover highlighting on the taskbar
[03:47] <NTolerance> transgress:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30818
[03:49] <transgress> thanks NTolerance
[04:00] <Snuffa> Sup
[04:40] <incubii> awesome i can use an irc client through th eproxy now
[04:55] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know how to get clamav?
[05:03] <incubii> is that antivirus software ?
[05:04] <incubii> fine then , lol
[05:06] <Tezkah> antivirus?  what is that?
[05:06] <Tezkah> does it just disable sudo? =)
[05:06] <incubii> lol
[05:06] <incubii> maybe its an antivirus server software to scan shit comming into the network
[05:06] <incubii> i really dont know
[05:06] <incubii> ive never used antivirus
[05:06] <incubii> :D
[05:06] <incubii> or firewalsl
[05:07] <incubii> lol
[05:07] <Tezkah> I use both on Windows
[05:07] <Tezkah> it gets annoying
[05:07] <Tezkah> especially when it conflicts with Windows itself
[05:07] <incubii> lol
[05:07] <incubii> conflicts in windows?
[05:07] <incubii> never ! :O
[05:07] <Tezkah> heh
[05:07] <Tezkah> its mostly just a buggy Antivirus
[05:07] <Tezkah> but most are
[05:08] <Tezkah> ZoneAlarm Firewall + Antivirus = wonderful integration into Windows!
[05:08] <Tezkah> for example, it forces Windows to wait while it loads during startup
[05:08] <incubii> windows does an ok job when you set it up correctly
[05:08] <Tezkah> and causes a wonderful bug where Outlook opens over and over
[05:08] <Tezkah> yeah
[05:08] <incubii> lol
[05:08] <Tezkah> http://people.uleth.ca/~ryan.reamsbottom2/outlooknotsogood.png
[05:09] <Tezkah> thats what ZoneAlarm was doing with Outlook
[05:09] <Tezkah> not good =\
[05:09] <Tezkah> mostly a problem with the antivirus, not windows itself
[05:09] <Tezkah> but with GNU/Linux, you don't need to use antivirus...
[05:09] <incubii> rofl
[05:09] <Tezkah> so nice
[05:09] <incubii> now thats funny
[05:09] <Tezkah> yeah, I couldn't screenshot the other half of the list
[05:09] <Tezkah> which was some zonealarm process
[05:09] <incubii> almost as funny as remotely lauchin 400 IE processes
[05:09] <Tezkah> because it froze
[05:10] <incubii> lol
[05:10] <incubii> least it wasnt in win98
[05:10] <incubii> ;)
[05:11] <Tezkah> heh
[05:11] <Tezkah> only funny if you're not the owner
[05:11] <Tezkah> or just goofing around
[05:12] <incubii> is it my fault the people in my diploma calls have no idea how to lock a box down?
[05:12] <incubii> it was just beggin for me to do it
[05:13] <incubii> class*
[05:20] <transgress> anyone in here ever run hurd?
[05:21] <Tezkah> run it? no
[05:21] <Tezkah> run from it? yes
[05:21] <incubii> i use to jump hurd.....les
[10:10] <firasR> hi all
[10:11] <e-guru> does anybody know how many watts of power can a laptop mini-pci slot can provide?
[10:12] <firasR> for some reason I can't edit my Kmenu any more, I can make changes, add new items, press save but nothing changes, it was working just fine earlier
[10:12] <firasR> anyone seen such a problem ?
[10:27] <e-guru> firasR: maybe a permissions problem?
[10:27] <e-guru> firasR: do you have write permission to there?
[10:34] <firasR> e-guru:  to ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu ?
[10:35] <firasR> e-guru:  perms are -rw-r--r--  1 firas firas
[10:36] <firasR> e-guru:  what's strange is that the items I'm entering are there in ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[10:36] <firasR> e-guru:  they're not showing up in my Kmenu though
[10:38] <e-guru> firasR: I dont know but I am not able to save settings to shortcuts unless if I give myself write access
[10:38] <e-guru> firasR: so I thought it might be similar thing
[10:39] <firasR> e-guru:  write access ? which files are you reffering to ?
[10:42] <e-guru> firasR: the settings are in .config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[10:43] <e-guru> firasR: ah sorry :) I didnt see that you said the items are there
[10:43] <e-guru> firasR: what about restarting? does it help?
[10:44] <firasR> e-guru:  nope try both logging out & back-in as well as a restart
[10:44] <firasR> e-guru:  even tried reinstalling kmenuedit
[10:45] <e-guru> firasR: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-bugs/2005-April/000444.html
[10:48] <firasR> e-guru:  yeah same problem, no resolution though :)
[10:48] <e-guru> firasR: actually there is something -> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-305240-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-application+menu-start-225.html
[10:50] <e-guru> firasR: did you check your applications.menu file?
[10:50] <e-guru> firasR: do you have this line? <MergeFile>applications-kmenuedit.menu</MergeFile>
[10:53] <e-guru> firasR: ?
[11:14] <firasR> e-guru:  sorry just had to run out for a bit
[11:16] <firasR> e-guru:  nope it's not there, adding it onw
[11:16] <firasR> now
[11:17] <firasR> logging out to check it's workin'
[11:17] <firasR> brb
[12:14] <Tm_T> http://www.ubuntu-fi.org/
[12:14] <Tm_T> \o/
[12:15] <_luke> hi Tm_T!
[12:15] <Tm_T> hullo
[12:29] <lswstyle> hi~~~
[12:34] <lswstyle> hihi
[01:10] <shogouki> we have http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/ too :)
[01:48] <ubuntu> algun espaol
[02:12] <yay> hi folks :)
[02:13] <yay> i wanted to install kde on my ubuntu horay
[02:14] <yay> knowing that my box is not connected to Internet so sudo ... install wont work :'(
[02:14] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:15] <yay> is there any tar.gz on the web containing all the kde files so that i can download 'em here and bring 'em home for that machine
[02:15] <Tm_T> you can burn kubuntu install cd and add it to your apt sources.list
[02:15] <Tm_T> and then apt-get it :p
[02:15] <yay> yes, but my internet conexion is so bad :'(
[02:15] <yay> downloading a whole cd is an utopia
[02:16] <yay> a clue anyone? :)
[02:18] <Tm_T> yay: well, you can download ubuntu packages from ubuntu.org
[02:18] <Tm_T> yay: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[02:19] <yay> but they are really a lot!! for kde only there are at least hunderds
[02:19] <Tm_T> yup
[02:20] <Tm_T> KDE is big one
[02:20] <pd_> yay, any was the size would be huge
[02:21] <yay> but downloading one tar.gz file is better than downloading 254986 files
[02:22] <Tm_T> heh
[02:22] <Tm_T> yay: you wan't deb packages or sources?
[02:22] <pd_> yay, i dont think all applications of KDE will come in on tar.gz
[02:22] <pd_> *one
[02:23] <yay> yes, but at least the core
[02:23] <Tm_T> yay: you need only three packages
[02:23] <Tm_T> for start
[02:23] <yay> which are..?
[02:24] <client13> haii alll
[02:25] <Tm_T> http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/install.html
[02:26] <yay> that's what i do everytime on my mdk10.0 and i'm tired of building kde :(
[02:27] <yay> thanks anyway :)
[02:28] <Church_of_FoamY> can anyone give me an idea as to why this is happning?
[02:28] <Church_of_FoamY> http://pastebin.com/289016
[02:30] <Tm_T> yay: so you need only 3 packages, all others are optional
[02:30] <spiritz> Church_of_FoamY: are you using kde or gnome?
[02:31] <Church_of_FoamY> um the default manager is gonme
[02:31] <Church_of_FoamY> i forgot to pick kde as the default
[02:31] <spiritz> ok then you need to set up alsa properly
[02:31] <Church_of_FoamY> gnome
[02:31] <yay> yes but the building time is so hard to bare :(
[02:31] <Church_of_FoamY> how do i do that?/
[02:31] <spiritz> Church_of_FoamY: your problem is very common
[02:31] <spiritz> Church_of_FoamY: hold on
[02:31] <Church_of_FoamY> cool
[02:31] <Tm_T> yay: take same packages from ubuntu site ;)
[02:31] <Church_of_FoamY> thought i screwed something up
[02:31] <Tm_T> yay: so you got them precompiled
[02:32] <yay> which one they are a lot for every tar.gz source file
[02:32] <Church_of_FoamY> how do i configure the driver properly?
[02:33] <spiritz> hold on
[02:33] <Church_of_FoamY> kk
[02:33] <spiritz> go there : http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:33] <spiritz> then look under "Q: How to configure sound to work properly in GNOME?"
[02:33] <Church_of_FoamY> kk
[02:34] <spiritz> it should be fine then
[02:34] <Church_of_FoamY> ok thank you
[02:34] <Church_of_FoamY> ^_^
[02:36] <Church_of_FoamY> OpenOffice.org2 anyone know if this is any good?
[02:36] <spiritz> it's good;
[02:37] <spiritz> especially the latest beta
[02:37] <Church_of_FoamY> k
[02:37] <Church_of_FoamY> cool
[02:56] <Church_of_FoamY> yay it worked
[02:56] <Church_of_FoamY> ^_^
[02:58] <Church_of_FoamY> that ubuntu guide rocks
[02:59] <Church_of_FoamY> the should make it a bookmark in firefox from install
[02:59] <Church_of_FoamY> it would probibly save a lot of time on stupid questions lol
[03:00] <Dull4o4> is the hoary version of kubuntu stable? the first ubuntu release just keep on crashing for me....
[03:01] <Church_of_FoamY> yes
[03:01] <Church_of_FoamY> i am using it just fine
[03:02] <Church_of_FoamY> you may want hoary 5.04 thats what i use
[03:02] <Church_of_FoamY> no problems for me and it beats the hell outta xp
[03:02] <Dull4o4> does it have "real" kde apps, or are most of them gnome stuff?
[03:02] <Church_of_FoamY> i think most of the stuff for the kubuntu-desktop is actually kde
[03:03] <Church_of_FoamY> but i know it has access to the gnome stuff too
[03:03] <Dull4o4> found a faq... *reading*
[03:03] <Dull4o4> k...
[03:07] <Church_of_FoamY> how long does it take for the ubuntu cd's to come in
[03:07] <Church_of_FoamY> i orderd like a month ago
[03:08] <Dull4o4> i ordered two months ago :)
[03:08] <Dull4o4> takes 2 hour do download ;)
[03:08] <Dull4o4> hehe
[03:09] <Dull4o4> no wait.. 45 min :)
[03:18] <yay> did anyone know where i can have some other than ubuntu distro free cd have?
[03:19] <Dull4o4> what?
[03:20] <Dull4o4> more than 300 distros are free, just download and burn :P
[03:23] <yay> yes but what if you're like me in a country where Internet connexion is as slowe as 5kb/s?
[03:24] <Dull4o4> lol
[03:24] <Dull4o4> next month i will have 1000KB /s :P
[03:24] <yay> so? :) :'(
[03:24] <Dull4o4> fun :)
[03:24] <yay> Shit!! sorry
[03:25] <yay> what if you burn a cd and send it to me in exchange of some jazz?
[03:26] <Dull4o4> jazz sucks ;)
[03:26] <yay> deal? :)
[03:26] <xxenon> yay - what country ??
[03:26] <yay> humm... algeria
[03:26] <Dull4o4> how's that a deal if jazz sucks mate? ;)
[03:26] <xxenon> yay - oh no ...
[03:26] <yay> oh yes :'(
[03:27] <yay> i-m-p-o-s-s-i-b-l-e?
[03:28] <yay> reaaly no way?
[03:28] <Church_of_FoamY> can you get mozilla thunderbird for kubuntu?
[03:30] <Riddell> Church_of_FoamY: it's in the ubuntu archives yes
[03:30] <Church_of_FoamY> yay
[03:31] <Church_of_FoamY> i like mozilla that evolution is kinda hard to use
[03:32] <yay> Church_of_FoamY : what? can i help?
[03:33] <Church_of_FoamY> naw it's just taking me some time to learn how to use it
[03:33] <Church_of_FoamY> kida alien like i can't empty the trash in evolution lol
[03:44] <da_bon_bon> i modularised all driver for mouse and keyboard-- now i dunno how to get mouse working -- modprobe sermouse and psmouse wont work.. or do i need to do something else after modprobing them ?
[03:46] <uniq> da_bon_bon: usb or ps2 mouse?
[03:46] <da_bon_bon> uniq: maybe ps2 or serial
[03:47] <uniq> ok.. then i can't help you right now.. you could check out /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ and look for sane module names.
[04:30] <mez> the "unnoffical" FAQ for =kubuntu... is it wise to use marillat nstable?
[04:34] <Tm_T> mez: hmm, yes and no
[04:35] <Tm_T> mez: if you need "the hot new stuff" then go for it
[04:36] <Phagocytor> hello
[04:37] <hussam> Tm_T: I just formatted breezy and reinstalled Hoary. But I forgot where I got splashy the first time. Do you know where I can download it?
[04:38] <Riddell> mez: unofficially, marillat it works for me
[04:39] <Tm_T> hussam: hmm, what splashy?
[04:39] <shogouki> what about google splashy ? -_-
[04:40] <hussam> Tm_T: it's like bootsplash but does not patch kernel
[04:40] <Tm_T> eh
[04:41] <Tm_T> and I supposed to know from where you donwloaded it? ;p
[04:42] <hussam> Tm_T: no I was just asking it you've heard of it. I didn't mean anything
[04:42] <Tm_T> just joking ;p
[04:43] <Tm_T> and no, I have no idea
[06:12] <firasR> hi everyone
[06:12] <firasR> e-guru:  u still there ?
[06:13] <e-guru> firasR: yeah
[06:13] <e-guru> firasR: I forgot what was your problem :) but did you solve it?
[06:13] <e-guru> ah yes kmenu
[06:14] <mousematt> hey
[06:14] <mousematt> is there a cure for the broken kdelibs-data package in the hoary updates?
[06:16] <e-guru> firasR: ?
[06:17] <Riddell> mousematt: new knetworkconf is in hoary-updates
[06:17] <Riddell> mousematt: you can also use the kubuntu hoary-updates in the /topic for extra fixes
[06:17] <mousematt> thankyou sir. i have just installed kubuntu - it is fabulous :)
[06:17] <firasR> e-guru:  not quite solved it, just got around it
[06:17] <firasR> e-guru:  little radical though
[06:18] <firasR> e-guru:  i went through all those posts u sent me, helpful by the way, thanks
[06:18] <mousematt> thankyou for your help everyone :-)
[06:18] <e-guru> firasR: ok
[06:18] <firasR> e-guru:  however it refused to work my particular user account, even if i delete my account and home folder and created a new one
[06:18] <e-guru> firasR: actually at the moment I dont even use kubuntu, thats why I am not so good help :p
[06:19] <firasR> e-guru:  the only way got things to work was recreate my user account with a different UID ?!
[06:19] <e-guru> firasR: perhaps there was something in your user home directory? did you copy the same home directory to new user including the dot filenames and dot directories?
[06:20] <firasR> e-guru:  no, i created a new user & home directory , didn't copy anything over
[06:20] <e-guru> firasR: so thats how it works, the problem is not the UID it is something in the home directory of your user
[06:20] <firasR> e-guru:  at least not until i created that new user with a new uid and finally got kmenuedit working again
[06:21] <firasR> e-guru:  really weird !
[06:21] <e-guru> firasR: well, its probably not so weird, depends on what you did to get it broken at first place :)
[06:22] <firasR> e-guru:  no, even when i deleted my user & home directory, and then created a new user account (same name, and same uid) and logged in, kmenuedit didn't work !
[06:22] <e-guru> hmm, there must be something else...cant be uid
[06:23] <firasR> e-guru:  well it was consistent, i completed wiped out my old /home/firas directory ( rm -Rf )
[06:23] <firasR> e-guru:  but it refused to work, tried it 3 or 4 times just to be sure (same uid = 1000 didn't work, different uid=1001 worked) with both home directories empty
[06:24] <firasR> e-guru:  i had even uninstalled gnome altogether, tried a gazallion things to no avail
[06:26] <firasR> e-guru:  everything went haywire after yesterday's update (which included knetworkconf and a few other things)
[06:27] <firasR> just glad to have my kde working again, can't use gnome for too long before i go back to kde, just wish kubuntu was as stable as ubuntu though
[06:30] <e-guru> firasR: anyhow :) I am happy that you solved your problem :)
[06:30] <e-guru> firasR: I use FreeBSD on my laptop, it is so much easier to manage...but I have kubuntu installed also
[06:33] <firasR> e-guru:  what laptop r u using? i've got a ThinkPad and Kubuntu's been the best distro to work on my laptop so far
[06:33] <firasR> e-guru:  never did try FreeBSD or any BSD before though
[06:33] <e-guru> firasR: I am using fujitsu-siemens, I heard that usb ports stop working after you suspend/resume on thinkpad
[06:33] <e-guru> firasR: yeah, once you use freebsd long enough, it makes addiction :)
[06:35] <firasR> e-guru:  yeah they do, have to restart hotplug to get 'em workin' again
[06:35] <firasR> e-guru:  although (k)ubuntu's the first distro to have suspend/resume work out of the box for me, it's a great relief
[06:36] <e-guru> firasR: yeah well, for me only hibernation works with kubuntu, nothing works with freebsd yet :) I am yet to look at it...
[06:37] <e-guru> firasR: however you could solve your problem with DSDT update
[06:37] <firasR> e-guru:  how was the HW detection with FreeBSD for ur laptop ? things like sound, video, network, wifi ?
[06:38] <firasR> e-guru:  i did fiddle with that sometime ago when i was running Gentoo, i'll have to look into it again soon
[06:39] <e-guru> firasR: everything works, only suspend/resume doesnt work
[06:39] <e-guru> firasR: you can download freesbie, it is bootable freebsd live cd
[06:39] <e-guru> firasR: however I dont know if it is good or not....
[06:39] <e-guru> firasR: I have even changed the cpu voltages on my laptop, it was working 1800mhz at 1.450v, I set to 1.300v instead
[06:40] <firasR> e-guru:  how's it's package management system compared to apt ?
[06:44] <mez> ah
[06:44] <mez> kubuntu is purdy
[06:45] <firasR> mez:  it sure is :)
[06:46] <e-guru> firasR: well, it has ports
[06:46] <e-guru> firasR: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/
[06:47] <e-guru> firasR: its quite similar
[06:47] <e-guru> firasR: although, I might imagine that since it is a little bit different, you might have little problems at first getting adapted
[06:48] <firasR> e-guru:  isn't that what gentoo's portage system is based on ? if it's anything like it then it should be great
[06:49] <e-guru> I dont know about gentoo really
[06:49] <e-guru> but there are over 12000 programs to choose from
[06:50] <e-guru> firasR: do you have amd or intel cpu ?
[06:50] <e-guru> oh wait, I think ibm only make intel
[06:52] <firasR> e-guru:  intel mobile (centrino laptop)
[06:53] <e-guru> firasR: I have mobile amd athlon xp 2800
[06:53] <e-guru> 2400
[06:53] <e-guru> 2400+
[06:53] <firasR> mine's a measly 1.4 :(
[06:54] <firasR> although i've got a 1GB of RAM & an 80 GB HD
[06:54] <KaiL> 1,4GHz is still fast
[06:55] <e-guru> firasR: I bought this laptop 2 years ago for 1500euro, amd xp2400+ 60gb hdd, 512 ram
[06:55] <e-guru> cdrw/dvd, it doesnt have wireless but I am going to change the modem with wireless minipci and deploy antennas inside :)
[06:55] <KaiL> does the fan ever switch off?
[06:57] <nitwoh> y a des franais, ici ?
[06:57] <nitwoh> (hello)
[06:57] <KaiL> nitwoh: #ubuntu-fr :)
[06:58] <e-guru> KaiL: my fan? it never runs almost
[06:58] <e-guru> KaiL: I fixed a problem in kubuntu where it was detecting my processor wrong, now it is able to save lots of watts
[06:58] <KaiL> wow
[06:58] <firasR> KaiL:  same here
[06:58] <KaiL> didn't know, this is possible with mobile Athlon XP...
[06:59] <nitwoh> KaiL: It about invite someone to quit ubuntu-fr for kubuntu-fr, but nobody in kubuntu-fr
[06:59] <nitwoh> so, we have to manage kde friends on ubuntu-fr. boring
[06:59] <KaiL> firasR: on Centrino or AMD K8 it's normal :)
[06:59] <nitwoh> :)
[07:00] <e-guru> KaiL: what is possible with what?
[07:00] <firasR> KaiL:  sorry for statin the obvious :)
[07:00] <KaiL> e-guru: never needing the fan
[07:01] <e-guru> KaiL: however I dont use ubuntu now, because it was too difficult to change dsdt table, I am on freebsd, I have set processor voltages even lower than their defaults...I think the fans didnt come on for 2-3 hours so far
[07:01] <e-guru> KaiL: yeah well, normally lowest powernow setting the cpu uses only 7watt, I changed voltage lower and I guess it now uses 3-5watts, its almost nothing
[07:01] <e-guru> KaiL: do you have amd laptop?
[07:02] <KaiL> no Laptop at all
[07:03] <KaiL> 2-3hours? on most centrinos you really never need it :p
[07:04] <KaiL> I think about getting an AMD Turion
[07:05] <e-guru> KaiL: you know, centrino is not a new processor? it is the same old mobile celeron?
[07:05] <KaiL> eh, Centrino is a P3 with dynamic CPU frequency
[07:06] <e-guru> KaiL: no, centrino is nothing but a name which laptop producers can put to their laptops if they use mobile intel processor, intel chipset and intel wireless
[07:07] <KaiL> only if the use the Pentium M
[07:07] <KaiL> which is this optimized P3
[07:07] <KaiL> ...which will also be the next generation for Desktops btw.
[07:07] <e-guru> KaiL: it is mobile pentium, any laptop which is not centrino could use it also
[07:08] <e-guru> KaiL: pentium m processor was around before centrino
[07:08] <KaiL> yes, but quite often "Centrino" is used to name the CPU itself (which is one of the 2 important parts)
[07:09] <e-guru> KaiL: AMD produces far better processors than Intel...
[07:09] <KaiL> for Desktops 100% ack
[07:10] <firasR> "Centrino" was coined as a marketing move by Intel
[07:10] <KaiL> for Laptops not
[07:10] <e-guru> KaiL: ack?
[07:10] <e-guru> KaiL: why not?
[07:10] <e-guru> KaiL: I am confused, amd processors use less power than intel processors in laptops
[07:10] <e-guru> amd mobile processors
[07:11] <firasR> e-guru:  they do ? that's interesting, their desktop onces usually run hotter though don't they ?
[07:11] <KaiL> depends
[07:11] <KaiL> firasR: only the K7, which is just plain and simple outdated
[07:11] <KaiL> the K8 can be run passive
[07:11] <e-guru> KaiL: do you mean C2?
[07:12] <KaiL> e-guru: "C2"?
[07:12] <e-guru> what do you mean by passive? the cx states?
[07:12] <KaiL> means "not running fan"
[07:12] <KaiL> ...as laptops CPUs should do :)
[07:13] <Pupeno> What's the Kubuntu way to get spanish dictionaries for OpenOffice ?
[07:13] <e-guru> KaiL: it depends on the size of the heatsink on the laptop also
[07:13] <KaiL> current CPUs:
[07:13] <KaiL> intel Pentium 4: outdated, heads more that everything other
[07:13] <e-guru> KaiL: you cant determine how good a CPU is from that, because the laptop manufacturer might put a smaller heatsink with a processor which gets warmer slower, but the processor would eventually reach to the temperature that fan is necessary
[07:14] <KaiL> mobile P4: bad joke. Whoever buys that, is an idiot
[07:14] <KaiL> Pentium M: great CPU, very fast at low clock, dynamic clock
[07:14] <KaiL> Celeron: even worse than P4
[07:14] <_buz> nearly inaudible
[07:15] <_buz> i suppose i should decouple the fan and my drives tho
[07:15] <e-guru> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_12651_12658,00.html
[07:15] <KaiL> Celeron M: P-M without dynamic clock - not really good
[07:15] <KaiL> now to AMD...
[07:15] <_buz> celery m -> trash
[07:16] <KaiL> Athlon XP: outdated and HOT
[07:16] <nitwoh> bye bye
[07:16] <_buz> talking about desktop or notebook?
[07:16] <KaiL> Socket A Sempron: same, but slower
[07:16] <e-guru> KaiL: athlon xp is hot?
[07:16] <e-guru> KaiL: hot compared to what?
[07:16] <KaiL> e-guru: the Desktop one
[07:16] <KaiL> e-guru: to everything except P4
[07:16] <e-guru> like p3?
[07:17] <_buz> hotter
[07:17] <_buz> if you're in the market for a desktop, get an athlon64
[07:17] <_buz> if a notebook, either pentium m or turion
[07:17] <KaiL> e-guru: every K7 is 50-70W
[07:17] <firasR> Pupeno:  did u try apt-get install myspell-es   ?
[07:17] <KaiL> P4 is 50-120W
[07:17] <e-guru> KaiL: and how much is p3/
[07:17] <e-guru> ?
[07:17] <_buz> my WHOLE system is cooled by ONE 120mm fan running at 570RPM
[07:18] <e-guru> KaiL: and where do you get this information?
[07:18] <KaiL> K8 (recent ones!) are 30-40W [VERY difficult to measure!]
[07:18] <Pupeno> firasR: I didn't know it was that package, thank you :)
[07:18] <KaiL> e-guru: several tests and vendor informations
[07:18] <_buz> that's athlon64
[07:18] <e-guru> KaiL: can you give any web addresses?
[07:18] <firasR> Pupeno:  ur welcome :)
[07:18] <KaiL> http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm
[07:19] <KaiL> be warned, you should know, what "TDP", "maximum" and "typical" mean
[07:20] <KaiL> best Desktop-CPU currently is AMD Athlon 64 and the Socket 754 Semprons - both are very fast with very low power consumption
[07:21] <KaiL> intels P4 and AMDs Socket A-CPUs are only good heaters
[07:21] <KaiL> fr Laptops get a Pentium M, Turion 64 ML or mobile Sempron  25W
[07:22] <KaiL> everything else is only a bad joke, nothing else.
[07:22] <_buz> i concur
[07:24] <e-guru> KaiL: there wasnt any p3 faster than 1.3ghz?
[07:25] <_buz> mhh i think there once were a few rare 1.6ghz ones
[07:25] <e-guru> mobile athlon xp is possible to get 25watt
[07:25] <_buz> but if you love the p3, get a pentium m
[07:25] <_buz> that's basically it's sucessor
[07:25] <KaiL> e-guru: 25W is the upper limit for Laptops.
[07:25] <firasR> KaiL:  actually i'm quite fond of my Intel P4 foot heater :) hehe
[07:26] <_buz> most p4 sound like jet engines
[07:26] <e-guru> KaiL: mine is 45watt at 1800mhz, how much is pentium m?
[07:26] <_buz> about 25w
[07:26] <KaiL> _buz: at 2,1
[07:26] <_buz> yeah
[07:27] <_buz> which is about a p4 3.6ghz
[07:27] <e-guru> _buz: @1800mhz?
[07:27] <_buz> my winchester is around 30W under full load
[07:27] <KaiL> 21W at 1800MHz
[07:27] <_buz> mhh the 2.1ghz pentium m beats 3.6ghz p4 in some benchmarks, loses in others
[07:27] <KaiL> (P-M)
[07:28] <e-guru> KaiL: how much does that cpu cost?
[07:28] <_buz> but its fucking expensive cpu
[07:28] <_buz> and hard to get
[07:28] <_buz> and a pain to install without a decent heatspreader
[07:28] <e-guru> _buz: yeah, you can get the same with ultra low voltage mobile amd athlon xp
[07:28] <e-guru> 25w
[07:28] <_buz> what are you trying to achieve
[07:28] <KaiL> the ULVs have 10W for 1,4GHz
[07:29] <_buz> yeah
[07:29] <_buz> but good luck getting one
[07:29] <_buz> if you want a decent, sanely priced desktop, get an athlon64
[07:29] <KaiL> btw. while idling a Pentium M falls down to 600Mhz and 4W
[07:29] <_buz> if you want to save more, get a sempron on socket 754
[07:29] <_buz> it's really that simple
[07:30] <e-guru> KaiL: mine does that too!
[07:30] <KaiL> e-guru: 600MHz?
[07:30] <e-guru> 666mhz at 10watt and 533mhz 7watt (but I lowered the voltages now so I assume less)
[07:31] <e-guru> KaiL: you are talking of pentium m processors which are the same price ore more expensive of low-power amd athlon xp processors, but mine is not low power mobile athlon, mine is only mobile athlon
[07:32] <e-guru> KaiL: in the end, amd produce better processor with cheaper price
[07:32] <_buz> for desktops, absolutely
[07:33] <_buz> for notebooks, it's under discussion
[07:33] <KaiL> e-guru: as long as you say it so general, it's useless
[07:33] <e-guru> what do you mean?
[07:33] <KaiL> as said: for Desktops -> intel has nothing usable
[07:34] <KaiL> for Laptops -> AMD CPUs are close to not available, only the very newest need less power
[07:35] <mez> with kubuntu, I want to use xscreensaver... is it compatible
[07:36] <KaiL> btw. if you buy a Laptop and 100 or 200 EUR matter, don't buy one
[07:36] <KaiL> there's more than enough trash on the market
[07:37] <bhna> thinkpads are my favorits
[07:38] <_buz> they were mine
[07:38] <_buz> dunno if lenovo will fuck it up
[07:39] <jeramy> Is this where the kubuntu devs hang out?
[07:39] <KaiL> here or on #kubuntu-devel
[07:39] <_buz> most are mere users
[07:40] <jeramy> k, thanks
[07:40] <_buz> KaiL: do you perchance know what the max die temp for athlon64 is
[07:40] <KaiL> 65C
[07:41] <KaiL> some have 70C
[07:41] <_buz> na that cant be
[07:41] <_buz> mine worked just fine at 66+
[07:41] <_buz> system didnt shut down either
[07:41] <_buz> in the very least, it should be 75
[07:41] <KaiL> well, that's what AMD specifies for it..
[07:41] <_buz> mhh i read 75 somewhere
[07:41] <_buz> but where
[07:42] <_buz> mmhh maybe i should try to undervolt the cpu ;)
[07:43] <KaiL> you can't, as cool&quiet specified the voltage too
[07:43] <KaiL> you can only lower the voltage for the time _before_ c&q get's enabled
[07:44] <e-guru> KaiL: you can set tthe voltage of c&q also
[07:44] <e-guru> KaiL: with acpi
[07:44] <KaiL> but only to the states defined by AMD
[07:44] <e-guru> KaiL: no
[07:45] <KaiL> how?
[07:45] <e-guru> KaiL: it was something like 200mhz steps
[07:45] <e-guru> KaiL: by using _PSS values
[07:45] <e-guru> there was a document, wait
[07:45] <KaiL> these 200MHz-Steps ARE defined by AMD :)
[07:45] <e-guru> KaiL: yes, but I dont see any problem in going 200mhz steps, but voltage you can set to anything you want
[07:46] <KaiL> every desktop-K8 has 1GHz, 1,8GHz, 2GHz... up to the nominal clock
[07:46] <e-guru> KaiL: however if you set too low, you can lock the processor and must restart the machine
[07:46] <KaiL> the mobiles seam to have 800MHz too
[07:46] <paco> anyone have Kile on Kubuntu?
[07:47] <KaiL> e-guru: I'd like to set the clock below 1GHz :)
[07:47] <e-guru> http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/26094.PDF
[07:47] <e-guru> KaiL: you can
[07:47] <KaiL> how that?
[07:47] <e-guru> with _PSS values
[07:48] <e-guru> they set the multiplier
[07:48] <_buz> mhh my board somehow wont undervolt it seems
[07:48] <_buz> or i'm too stupid to find it in the bios
[07:49] <_buz> somehow, i cant believe asus board wont let me set cpu voltage, but dimm voltage
[07:49] <e-guru> look for _PSS and vid inside that document
[07:49] <e-guru> _buz: do you have athlon64?
[07:49] <_buz> yes
[07:49] <_buz> don't tell me to use coolnquiet :=
[07:49] <paco> anyone have Kile(LaTeX editor) on Kubuntu?
[07:50] <_buz> i wanna try and see if i can get it to run at 1.2v at full speed ;)
[07:50] <e-guru> KaiL: page 256
[07:50] <e-guru> _buz: you should take an acpidump and find _pss values
[07:51] <e-guru> _buz: you can underclock your machine if you set DSDT table at boot time
[07:51] <e-guru> _buz: undervolt, sorry :)
[07:51] <_buz> how would i get acpidumps
[07:51] <_buz> i think i should be able to undervolt in the bios as well
[07:51] <e-guru> _buz: well in freebsd it is acpidump -d
[07:52] <e-guru> _buz: right, but there is a different voltage for every P state of the processor
[07:52] <_buz> i'd be using freebsd if there as decent drivers for it
[07:52] <_buz> i know
[07:52] <e-guru> _buz: it is possible in ubuntu too
[07:52] <e-guru> _buz: drivers for what?
[07:52] <_buz> soundcards, mainly
[07:52] <e-guru> _buz: well it works fine for me
[07:52] <e-guru> _buz: out of the box
[07:52] <_buz> and a JRE that was worth its name
[07:53] <e-guru> _buz: thats difficult
[07:53] <_buz> i know, i use bsd on servers exclusively ;)
[07:53] <e-guru> _buz: if you know, why do you ask
[07:53] <e-guru> _buz: doh
[07:53] <e-guru> _buz: anyhow
[07:53] <_buz> i didn't ask :)
[07:54] <e-guru> KaiL: got it?
[07:54] <KaiL> yes
[07:54] <_buz> stupid bios upgrades
[07:54] <_buz> why can't they read em from cd
[07:55] <_buz> wtf even has a floppy these days
[07:55] <KaiL> _buz: Asus can
[07:55] <_buz> supposedly
[07:55] <e-guru> _buz: yeah
[07:55] <_buz> but i couldn't get it to work
[07:55] <_buz> mhh maybe i should try again
[07:55] <_buz> they probably rather built that ridiculous speech output feature
[07:55] <_buz> i mean wtf needs that crap
[07:57] <KaiL> lol, 3D chip for mobile phones...
[07:58] <_buz> yeah another thing we all i need
[07:58] <_buz> i can actually play doom on my p900
[07:58] <_buz> wtf
[07:59] <Liz4rd> lol cool
[07:59] <_buz> very useful, considering it aint got any buttons to play with
[07:59] <Liz4rd> :P
[07:59] <_buz> sure rocks to play with a stick
[07:59] <Liz4rd> use the force...
[07:59] <_buz> if i had the force, the world would belong to the darkside
[08:00] <Liz4rd> :P yes!! come tothe darkside......we have cheese
[08:00] <_buz> cheese
[08:00] <_buz> who wants cheese
[08:00] <_buz> i want natalie
[08:00] <_buz> (not pregnant)
[08:00] <Liz4rd> :P
[08:01] <mez> erm
[08:01] <mez> why when i restarted X did it lose all my li9ke
[08:01] <mez> kubuntu settings
[08:02] <mez> the desktop isnt kubuntu
[08:02] <mez> (wallpaper)
[08:02] <mez> it shows the general KDE loading thig instead of the icon in the middle
[08:02] <mez> any ideas?
[08:03] <e-guru> firasR: there?
[08:05] <Riddell> mez: do you have /etc/kderc?
[08:05] <KaiL> mez: known problem...
[08:05] <KaiL> I guess, he doesn't ;)
[08:06] <mez> er
[08:07] <mez> ls: /etc/kderc: No such file or directory
[08:07] <mez> mez@apathy:~$
[08:07] <mez> any link to where it's shown as a known problem?
[08:09] <KaiL> http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh is a script, which fixes this
[08:10] <KaiL> ...still searching for a more clean way to do it
[08:11] <mez> so that'll fix it?
[08:11] <KaiL> yes
[08:12] <mez> is it KUbuntu
[08:12] <mez> Kubuntu
[08:12] <mez> or
[08:12] <mez> kUbuntu?
[08:13] <KaiL> Riddell: what would a new kubuntu-default-settings file with a slightly changed /etc/kderc do on installing? would it install the new file?
[08:14] <Riddell> KaiL: it's a configuration file so it would ask you if you want to overwrite or keep the current
[08:14] <Riddell> mez: Kubuntu
[08:14] <KaiL> Riddell: and if the current is nonexistant?
[08:14] <mez> ;) I had wondered for a while... I assumed, but with things like these you never know :d
[08:14] <KaiL> ...but shouldn't be?
[08:14] <mez> brb
[08:14] <mez> restarting X
[08:15] <mez> yep
[08:15] <mez> that worked
[08:15] <KaiL> ok
[08:15] <mez> Ah... I love Linux for the fact that it reboots so quickly :D
[08:20] <Mez> eek
[08:21] <Mez> how do you link Ksnapshot to the prtscr button ?
[08:21] <Liz4rd> you cant
[08:21] <Liz4rd> i think you can just prtsrc then paste in a program
[08:21] <Mez> hmm
[08:22] <Mez> there was a way to change that in Gnome..
[08:22] <Liz4rd> really?
[08:22] <Mez> cause i ran my own screenshow program then
[08:22] <Liz4rd> i was never aware :P
[08:22] <Mez> and i changed the command which it ran
[08:22] <Liz4rd> thats cool
[08:23] <Mez> ah
[08:23] <Mez> but i have however just found how to link it to print screen
[08:24] <Mez> Control centre -> regional and accessibiltiy - >< keybaord shortcuts -> command shortcuts
[08:24] <Mez> find ksnapshot in there
[08:25] <Mez> and link it to a custom key
[08:25] <Mez> press the printscreen key
[08:25] <Mez> and it'll link to that
[08:25] <Mez> :D
[08:35] <Stealth890> heelllo?
[08:36] <Mez> hmm
[08:36] <Mez> hello
[08:36] <Mez> that didnt fix everything
[08:36] <Mez> my bttons at the bottom are screwed
[08:39] <Mez> normally you have what on the bottom
[08:40] <Mez> konqueror
[08:40] <Mez> kontact
[08:40] <Mez> system
[08:40] <Mez> what else
[08:56] <_buz> how can it be that ksensors shows a different fan speed than the bios (the fan is NOT thermally controlled=
[09:09] <John6000> is there a way to make an "autologin"?
[09:12] <firasR> e-guru:  i'm here, just checkin' out reviews and docs on FreeBSD
[09:13] <firasR> e-guru:  what's up ?
[09:13] <John6000> freebsd
[09:13] <John6000> wow
[09:13] <John6000> my fav
[09:13] <_buz> mine too
[09:13] <John6000> gd
[09:13] <_buz> tho recently my focus shifted to dragonfly
[09:13] <_buz> cool stuff coming up there
[09:13] <firasR> any u guys try PC-BSD ?
[09:14] <John6000> im sticking to my freebsd live cd
[09:14] <_buz> isnt pcbsd based on frebsd 5.3?
[09:14] <_buz> cause freebsd 5.3 frankly isn't worth much
[09:15] <John6000> know how soon till openoffice 2 is relesed?
[09:15] <_buz> dunno
[09:15] <firasR> _buz:  they just updated it to 5.4
[09:15] <_buz> i just installed the m104 rpm
[09:15] <John6000> k
[09:16] <John6000> rpm
[09:16] <John6000> kubuntu
[09:16] <_buz> mhh it's not so much .3 than 5.X that's based on bad design choices
[09:16] <_buz> John6000: do something like this for every rpm
[09:16] <John6000> wait does kubuntu support rpm?
[09:16] <_buz> not really
[09:16] <John6000> ive been using DEB s
[09:16] <John6000> ok
[09:16] <_buz> but you can do rpm2cpio somerpm | cpio -id
[09:16] <_buz> works just fine with oo
[09:16] <John6000> ok
[09:16] <_buz> need to do it for all the rpms
[09:16] <_buz> obviously
[09:17] <John6000> koffice isnt as good as OOo
[09:17] <_buz> koffice wont read excel sheets so it's practically useless
[09:17] <John6000> yeah
[09:17] <John6000> so buz you using konverstion?
[09:17] <_buz> yeah
[09:17] <John6000> good
[09:18] <jeramy> So how do you upgrade with the rpms?
[09:18] <_buz> take new rpms, do the same ;)
[09:18] <John6000> you put the tinh in the thing then thingy it
[09:18] <_buz> still better than not upgrading because of the lack of debs ;)
[09:18] <_buz> ahhh the silence, the bliss
[09:19] <John6000> ubuntu :D
[09:19] <_buz> i meant the hardware ;)
[09:19] <John6000> put a k on fronut its even better
[09:19] <_buz> yeah
[09:19] <John6000> yes
[09:19] <_buz> i hate gnome
[09:19] <John6000> amd64
[09:19] <John6000> ?
[09:19] <_buz> yeah
[09:19] <_buz> but running x86
[09:19] <John6000> gd gd
[09:19] <John6000> what
[09:19] <John6000> thats a waste
[09:19] <_buz> amd64 soft is kinda sparse
[09:19] <John6000> get 64
[09:19] <_buz> and no win32codecs for 64
[09:19] <John6000> i thoght is sortof comaptible
[09:19] <John6000> mmmmm
[09:20] <_buz> sortof
[09:20] <_buz> you'd need all libs twice
[09:20] <_buz> which is a ungodly mes
[09:20] <John6000> :o
[09:20] <_buz> mess
[09:20] <e-guru> firasR: so how is it going? is it interesting? :)
[09:20] <John6000> what amd?
[09:20] <John6000> 4000+ ?
[09:20] <_buz> winchester 3000+
[09:20] <John6000> cool
[09:20] <John6000> :D
[09:20] <John6000> why winchester?
[09:20] <John6000> was it made there?
[09:20] <_buz> codename
[09:20] <John6000> oh
[09:21] <_buz> it's basically the 90nm socket939 series
[09:21] <John6000> well im building an amd 800mhz
[09:21] <_buz> now to be updated by venice ;)
[09:21] <John6000> ok
[09:21] <John6000> :D
[09:21] <_buz> but i can run the hwole system with one slow fan
[09:21] <_buz> that rocks
[09:21] <John6000> wow
[09:21] <John6000> you "underclocking"
[09:21] <_buz> nah
[09:21] <_buz> it works at stock speed even
[09:22] <John6000> oh
[09:22] <John6000> ok
[09:22] <_buz> right now i'm trying if i can lower the voltage ;)
[09:22] <firasR> e-guru:  i'll let u know tomorrow once my download is done :)
[09:22] <_buz> 1.25v instead of 1.45 seems to work so far
[09:22] <John6000> ok
[09:22] <_buz> maybe i can get lower, even
[09:22] <John6000> you got one of those new amd64 bit motherboards that speak to you if you got no ram or something
[09:22] <_buz> yeah
[09:22] <John6000> :D
[09:22] <_buz> WTF needs that crap
[09:23] <John6000> yeah
[09:23] <_buz> it complained about me not using a cpu fan
[09:23] <e-guru> firasR: :)
[09:23] <John6000> ha
[09:23] <_buz> got rid of it quickly
[09:23] <e-guru> firasR: is it downloading so slow?
[09:23] <_buz> it's not bloody smart either way
[09:23] <John6000> firasR: you need broadband
[09:23] <_buz> even when using a cpu fan, it complained there wasnt one as it was so slowly spinning
[09:23] <John6000> :o
[09:23] <John6000> wait
[09:23] <John6000> you dont have a cpu fan
[09:24] <John6000> :o
[09:24] <_buz> no
[09:24] <John6000> its vital that you do
[09:24] <_buz> nah
[09:24] <John6000> you could damage cpu
[09:24] <firasR> e-guru:  it's running pretty good, i logged into to my office's VPN and am downloading it from there over a 1 Mbps DSL line
[09:24] <_buz> it run's way below 65C at full load
[09:24] <firasR> e-guru:  it's running at almost full speed which is good :)
[09:24] <John6000> thats tons
[09:24] <John6000> :o
[09:24] <John6000> it should be 45 <
[09:24] <_buz> it's speced to run at up to 75
[09:25] <John6000> :o
[09:25] <_buz> and probably withstands 85 with ease
[09:25] <John6000> ok
[09:25] <_buz> it's not like amd builds cpu that just roast ;)
[09:25] <nmorse> anyone know why eric3 won't run on Kubuntu?
[09:25] <firasR> e-guru:  home DSL in this part of the world is still expensive, only got a 256 Kb/s DSL at home
[09:25] <_buz> it got this beast on the cpu: http://thermaltake.com/images/coolers/main/whatsnew/sonicTower.jpg
[09:25] <John6000> eric why wont your software run?
[09:25] <John6000> thats a big heatsink
[09:25] <Liz4rd> 100 up and down here for $50 a month
[09:25] <_buz> mbit or kbit?
[09:26] <Liz4rd> mb
[09:26] <John6000> willabit
[09:26] <_buz> *droool*
[09:26] <_buz> i pay 50? for 2000/400kbit
[09:26] <firasR> Liz4rd:  what ?!
[09:26] <_buz> damn swedes
[09:26] <Liz4rd> i'm on it now :)
[09:26] <_buz> ah
[09:26] <_buz> hongkong now gets 1gig pipes for 250$
[09:26] <_buz> me wanna
[09:27] <Liz4rd> i know...basterd
[09:27] <John6000> :o
[09:27] <Liz4rd> *s
[09:27] <_buz> your own private datacenter
[09:27] <gdh> _buz: yes but they're also part of china , so it cuts both ways :)
[09:27] <_buz> (like there weren't enough bootlegs already in hk)
[09:27] <Liz4rd> yeah cant lag on icq over in hongkong
[09:27] <Liz4rd> :P
[09:27] <_buz> yeah, i wouldn't wanna live there for long
[09:27] <John6000> wow
[09:27] <John6000> my ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:27] <Liz4rd> OMG
[09:27] <John6000> look at my #webserver
[09:27] <John6000> and ftp
[09:27] <e-guru> firasR: you could install from floppies :)
[09:28] <_buz> very funny
[09:28] <John6000> ?
[09:28] <firasR> u guys r darn lucky !! i'm payin' over $60 for a mere 256 Kb/s :(
[09:28] <_buz> where are you
[09:28] <Liz4rd> dam that sucks
[09:28] <John6000> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:21
[09:28] <firasR> e-guru:  i might just install from that boot CD when I get to work tomorrow, i'm at home now
[09:29] <Liz4rd> htp://liz4rd.ath.cx
[09:29] <e-guru> firasR: ok :)
[09:29] <John6000> htp://liz4rd.ath.cx
[09:29] <John6000> http://liz4rd.ath.cx
[09:29] <e-guru> firasR: I am in ##FreeBSD channel, you can find me there
[09:29] <e-guru> firasR: what time is it there?
[09:29] <Liz4rd> John6000: oops thnx
[09:29] <firasR> e-guru:  sorry i missed ur whitty attempt at sarcasm ;)
[09:30] <firasR> e-guru:  it's 22:30 here in Kuwait
[09:30] <e-guru> ok
[09:30] <firasR> +3 GMT
[09:30] <Liz4rd> wtf is up with people talking in armytime :P
[09:30] <Liz4rd> its 1:30 in the afternoon here
[09:30] <firasR> e-guru:  thanks, i'll stop by there once i'm up & running
[09:31] <John6000> #freebsd
[09:31] <e-guru> Liz4rd: europe is a big army :) we always use army time hehe
[09:31] <firasR> Liz4rd:  isn't just easier to say "13:30" ? hehe :0
[09:31] <John6000> freebsd not work?
[09:31] <Liz4rd> dam you all
[09:31] <Liz4rd> :P
[09:31] <gdh> Europeans and Canadians can deal with numbers higher than 12 :)
[09:31] <Liz4rd> got that strait
[09:31] <nmorse> I know, it's just us Americans who're stupid
[09:31] <Liz4rd> fucking americans
[09:31] <John6000> yeah
[09:32] <John6000> #cedega
[09:32] <gdh> Isn't it great how teh intarwab builds bridges across the world?
[09:32] <nmorse> You know, we have "Will it Float" instead of "Is it Buoyant?"
[09:32] <firasR> gdh:  hehehe
[09:32] <Liz4rd> :) i love how every corner of this planet loves canada
[09:32] <nmorse> Mostly because Americans don't know what Bouyant means
[09:32] <John6000> #linux
[09:32] <Liz4rd> or what peace means
[09:32] <nmorse> Canada is a great country
[09:32] <nmorse> Quebec's a better one
[09:32] <gdh> LOL
[09:32] <Liz4rd> :) i know
[09:32] <gdh> what is this, stir-the-shit night?
[09:32] <Liz4rd> lol quebec is gay
[09:33] <Liz4rd> there all like wwaah we want to be our own contr to feel special
[09:33] <nmorse> and what part of Canada do you like, Liz4rd?
[09:33] <nmorse> Because they're French, actually
[09:33] <gdh> It'd be nice if .qc.ca could be floated off to the middle of the atlantic =)
[09:33] <Liz4rd> i live in the praries but i love the mountains
[09:33] <nmorse> and they only speak French over there, really
[09:34] <nmorse> It's very aggravating to hear them speak English, too, like it demeans them
[09:34] <Liz4rd> lol i know what you mean
[09:34] <gdh> Being 'French' isn't enough so they develop their own dialect and pronounciation
[09:34] <gdh> Quebecois. pff.
[09:34] <freddy> I just installed kubuntu. Looks cool but I never was asked for an root password.........
[09:34] <Liz4rd> i want to shootthem all
[09:34] <freddy> wooooot
[09:34] <_buz> freddy: there isnt one
[09:34] <_buz> if you want one, run sudo passwd
[09:34] <firasR> freddy:  and u never will :) that's the beauty of it
[09:35] <_buz> nah
[09:35] <_buz> first thing i do is run sudo passwd ;)
[09:35] <freddy> don't see the beauty of that
[09:35] <gdh> Kubuntu is African for 'Kold Turkey'
[09:35] <Liz4rd> lol
[09:35] <John6000> doesnt linux use debian?
[09:35] <Liz4rd> are you for real?
[09:35] <gdh> break the habit, etc.
[09:35] <John6000> linus*
[09:35] <firasR> freddy:  u do everything with sudo as ur regular user, takes some gettin' use to though
[09:35] <gdh> :)
[09:35] <_buz> i think it sucks
[09:36] <_buz> but thankfully
[09:36] <klaas> john, i'm on
[09:36] <_buz> everyone got the choice
[09:36] <John6000> i want a usb flash drive to put linux on (slax)
[09:36] <John6000> hi klass
[09:36] <Liz4rd> i want to check gentoo out some time
[09:36] <John6000> same
[09:36] <_buz> gentoo is painful
[09:36] <Liz4rd> is it?
[09:36] <John6000> ive heard
[09:36] <Liz4rd> transgress is my mentor :)
[09:36] <_buz> well it depends
[09:36] <_buz> there certainly are masochists who enjoy it
[09:36] <firasR> Liz4rd:  i never would've left Gentoo if it wasn't for the long compile times, it's beautiful
[09:36] <gdh> Got tons of free time? Gentoo is for you :)
[09:37] <_buz> if you like to compile stuff forever gentoo is for oyu
[09:37] <Liz4rd> oh yeah i have alot of time :P
[09:38] <klaas> John6000, it's Klaas ;) no problem, you're like number thousand who makes that mistake ^^i'm used to it
[09:38] <freddy> firasR: I can't do $%#$%# with my system this way?
[09:38] <firasR> I still don't get how they keep preaching that it's supposed to be faster than any other distros cause everything's compiled from source, u might save a few milliseconds when running an app but then u gotta spend a day or two when u wanna upgrade KDE ?!
[09:38] <freddy> firasR: how do I give the root acount a password so I can login with it?
[09:38] <Liz4rd> god me and this girll... *you know* and well she was going out with this dude..and she told him...and he cryed...but there still going out...and now he wants to be buddy bud...    I'm not "hxc." Just straight edge.
[09:51] <DefHandz> Not freaking hard core sXe scene kid
[09:51] <Liz4rd> pass it around freddy
[09:51] <Liz4rd> joint*
[09:51] <DefHandz> -_-
[09:51] <John6000> O_o
[09:52] <Liz4rd> want some John??? (pure pressure pure pressure  PURE PRESSURE!!!
[09:52] <John6000> ok ok ok
[09:52] <John6000> calm down
[09:53] <Seveas> all: Please keed the code of conduct in mind when chatting here.  Gotta phone my mom..     ;--P
[10:20] <KaiL> oh, I forgot, they still need an 800W power suppy for their 2 overclocked GeForce 8000 Ultra Extreme ;)
[10:21] <Tm_T> and watercooling
[10:21] <spinifex> does kubuntu for hoary work well enough for me to want to install it right now ontop of my ubuntu working in gnome?
[10:21] <jeramy> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:21] <jeramy> You bet
[10:21] <Tm_T> yup
[10:22] <spinifex> no network issues anymore?  No crashing configurator?
[10:22] <Mez> hmm
[10:22] <Tm_T> spinifex: but add "deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main" into your sources.list first
[10:22] <spinifex> last time I tried it (on the beta) the configurator crashed every few seconds
[10:22] <KaiL> Tm_T: salt water, to gives things some more "action" ;)
[10:22] <Mez> is there a quick way to install flash plugin for konqueror fthrough kynaptic?
[10:23] <jeramy> oh, good question Mez.  I don't know how to do that either.
[10:23] <spinifex> mez: dunno, but firefox has an automated install built in I believe
[10:23] <Tm_T> KaiL: xD
[10:23] <Tm_T> spinifex: that's why it was beta?
[10:23] <spinifex> lol, okay
[10:23] <spinifex> it was pretty bad for a beta though, sheesh.  heh sorry
[10:23] <Tm_T> np =)
[10:24] <Mez> yeah
[10:24] <Mez> mozilla-flash
[10:24] <spinifex> well, I guess I'll try it then.  KDE is a lot prettier
[10:24] <Tm_T> heh
[10:25] <jeramy> I find it faster too.
[10:25] <jeramy> Oh, when KDE 3.4.1 comes out, will it show up in Kubuntu Hoary?
[10:25] <spinifex> what's the kubuntu-live package?
[10:26] <Tm_T> spinifex: package for live-cd
[10:26] <Tm_T> you don't need it
[10:26] <spinifex> ah, okay
[10:26] <Tm_T> jeramy: sure
[10:26] <Riddell> jeramy: no, but I'll make packages at another repository
[10:26] <KaiL> jeramy: don't think so. Riddell  is working to get it on breezy
[10:26] <Tm_T> yup
[10:26] <Tm_T> there is always a way to get it =)
[10:26] <spinifex> k, 163 package install time.  I guess that beats the 300 packages it required last time
[10:26] <Tm_T> haha
[10:27] <amu> spinifex: Software which will be installed on the kubuntu LiveCD, in addition to the default desktop set.
[10:29] <jeramy> So... yes and no.  :)
[10:30] <jeramy> So that would be a no for the kubuntu hoary-updates deb?
[10:30] <spinifex> am I gonna want gdm or kdm?
[10:32] <Riddell> jeramy: they'll be available but not in the ubuntu archives
[10:32] <Riddell> spinifex: kdm!
[10:33] <spinifex> =p should I ask the #ubuntu people the same question?  I suppose the login screen wont make a big difference
[10:33] <gdh> Hm, should it really take 90 seconds to open and close oowriter2 (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2) on a P3-600 256MB machine?
[10:33] <spinifex> I could try kdm
[10:33] <KaiL> gdh: with that few RAM? ;)
[10:33] <jeramy> I assume if you install kubuntu-desktop on an already existing ubuntu install that kdm and gdm won't fight?
[10:33] <amu> jeramy: 3.4.1 for hoary, that need too much changes, which we have not the manpower for it.
[10:33] <gdh> after about 40 seconds is complains about not being able to find a Java Runtime.. after 60 the OO.o logo pops up...
[10:34] <gdh> KaiL: I know OO is a monster, but 1.x wasn't anywhere near this bad
[10:34] <KaiL> really?
[10:34] <spinifex> jeramy: it asks you which one you want to use when you install kubuntu-desktop
[10:34] <_buz> mhh doesnt load so slowly for me
[10:34] <jeramy> I think it took 78 or 84 seconds or something for me to start oowriter2 on my P3-1000 256MB RAM machine
[10:35] <gdh> cool, so it's not just me then :)
[10:35] <KaiL> let's hope, it's with debugging code
[10:35] <jeramy> No kidding.
[10:36] <jeramy> On my work machine (brand new Windows XP machine) :( OO starts in about 8-10 seconds.  MS Word starts in less than 1/2.  :(
[10:36] <gdh> Yeh, any version of office on nearly any windows machine is near-instant
[10:36] <spinifex> k, time to try out kubuntu.  brb
[10:36] <gdh> even with OO's 'preloader' in the windows ashtray it's slow :/
[10:38] <KaiL> jeramy: 4GHz P4 with 4 10000rpm disks as Raid 1 and 4GiB RAM? ;)
[10:38] <KaiL> eh, Raid 0
[10:38] <jeramy> No.
[10:38] <KaiL> ...or how to get that so fast?
[10:38] <gdh> Get OO.o so fast? :)
[10:39] <jeramy> I was just going to ask that, gdh.  ;)
[10:39] <KaiL> OOo in <10sec..
[10:39] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:39] <jeramy> well, let me try again.  :)
[10:39] <Tm_T> I have slow old camel as main pc...
[10:40] <jeramy> Yeah, it's about 9 seconds.  More if it actually has to load a document.
[10:40] <KaiL> Tm_T: slow like a K6-2/500?
[10:40] <Tm_T> KaiL: like 2800+ 1G ram
[10:40] <Tm_T> 10s OO2
[10:41] <KaiL> could everybody stop calling systems >1GHz "slow"?
[10:41] <gdh> OO1 started in maybe 20 from memory.
[10:41] <gdh> I mean 'from what I remember' .. not started from some ramdisk :)
[10:41] <KaiL> gdh: on the P3/600?
[10:41] <gdh> yes
[10:42] <KaiL> oops
[10:42] <gdh> I mean, I can understand new major release, more features, slower load.. but that's insanity
[10:42] <jeramy> And somebody was claiming that it was faster...
[10:43] <gdh> jeramy: I heard that too.. that's exactly the reason I wanted to try it
[10:43] <KaiL> it needs to get MUCH faster, if it want's to be interesting :((
[10:43] <gdh> the main reason people at work ditched OO was the load time.
[10:43] <KaiL> as we saw with firefox, good and fast apps can even bring windows users away from MS crap
[10:44] <gdh> Is Sun's commercial StarOffice any better?
[10:44] <jeramy> I just upgraded using the kubuntu hoary-updates and got this:
[10:44] <jeramy> Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ...
[10:44] <gdh> heh
[10:44] <jeramy> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.2_all.deb (--unpack):
[10:44] <Tm_T> gdh: Koffice ;)
[10:45] <gdh> jeramy: see the topic
[10:45] <Tm_T> jeramy: topic ;)
[10:45] <gdh> Oh, someone's removed that bit
[10:45] <jeramy> It says Some fixes:
[10:45] <KaiL> jeramy: fights with knetworkconf?
[10:45] <jeramy> Someone removed the "it craps out" bit?
[10:45] <jeramy> Yeah.
[10:45] <KaiL> Riddell: ping? ;)))
[10:45] <Riddell> KaiL: hi
[10:46] <jeramy> Should I just force it?
[10:46] <KaiL> I thought, this is now gone forever.........
[10:46] <Tm_T> =)
[10:46] <Riddell> jeramy: you need the new knetworkconf from ubuntu hoary-updates
[10:47] <Tm_T> jeramy: add "deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main" into your sources.list first
[10:47] <jeramy> I've got it first.
[10:47] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:47] <Tm_T> it doesn't help?
[10:47] <gdh> Tm_T: re: KOffice... does KSpread save to .XLS yet?
[10:47] <jeramy> No.
[10:47] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:47] <gdh> or KWord/KSpread open anything remotely complex?
[10:48] <Riddell> jeramy: you also need the ubuntu hoary-updates
[10:48] <Tm_T> I haven't got any problems
[10:48] <jeramy> Riddell: ok
[10:48] <spinifex> sweet, it's prettty!  Now, how do I make the clock display in 12 hour format?
[10:48] <Tm_T> hmm, why?
[10:48] <jeramy> Riddell: I've got it already.
[10:49] <spinifex> because 12 hour is what I'm used to.  I'm not used to seeing 13 o clock
[10:49] <gdh> It's "13 hundred hours" damnit ;)
[10:49] <Tm_T> gdh: yup, saves to xls
[10:49] <gdh> Hm, I think this is where I came in.
[10:49] <spinifex> is there a setting for it?
[10:49] <gdh> Tm_T: Is it for Win32 yet? :))
[10:49] <Tm_T> ehm
[10:50] <gdh> spinifex: This is KDE. The answer to that question is invariably 'yes' :)
[10:50] <spinifex> then how do I do it?
[10:50] <gdh> look in the control center.. regional options
[10:50] <Tm_T> gdh: you mean win32 port? dunno
[10:51] <spinifex> I'm looking, I don't see it
[10:51] <jeramy> Riddell: I installed Ubuntu with a beta CD.  My deb for hoary updates is pointing at ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[10:51] <firasR> spinifex:  u from the place as Liz4rd ? :)
[10:51] <gdh> spinifex: Look harder.
[10:51] <KaiL> I'll never understand, what some people like on 12h clock format
[10:51] <gdh> spinifex: regional -> country/region -> time + dates
[10:51] <spinifex> I see a times and dates tab, but there is no option for it
[10:51] <gdh> Time Format... use the dropdown
[10:52] <spinifex> ....  oh, that's a dropdown
[10:52] <spinifex> I see
[10:52] <gdh> Yep, indicated by the little arrow on the far right :)
[10:52] <firasR> spinifex:  u talkin' about the clock that's displayed in your lower right corner of the kpanel ? or somethin' else
[10:52] <spinifex> yes
[10:52] <firasR> have u tried right clicking on it ?
[10:52] <spinifex> alright, I've got it set.  It says it'll change when I log in again
[10:52] <amu> KaiL: easy answer they just can account to 12 :D
[10:52] <gdh> firasR: haha :)
[10:53] <spinifex> it's not like that, it's just that it's what I've seen all my life, so I'm used to it
[10:53] <jeramy> Well... for some reason, running apt-get upgrade again fixes everything.  I didn't even need to force it.  :)
[10:53] <Tm_T> yup
[10:53] <firasR> spinifex:  then "Date and Time Format"
[10:53] <spinifex> yeah, I got it
[10:53] <spinifex> thanks
[10:53] <spinifex> saaay, can I do translucent terminals in kde?
[10:54] <Tm_T> spinifex: yes
[10:54] <spinifex> how?
[10:54] <firasR> gdh:  :)
[10:54] <firasR> spinifex:  oh yeah !
[10:54] <Tm_T> spinifex: use eterm
[10:54] <firasR> spinifex:  Settings -> Schema  then pick of the "Transparent ..." options
[10:55] <firasR> in konsole
[10:55] <Tm_T> firasR: well, but there's always borders
[10:55] <firasR> if u wanna fine tune it "Settings -> Configure Konsole -> Schema"
[10:55] <Tm_T> spinifex: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_031.png
[10:55] <Tm_T> something like that?
[10:57] <firasR> Tm_T:  u could go into full screen mode and hide the tabs at the top
[10:57] <firasR> Tm_T:  but u'll still have the scroll bar on the right though
[10:57] <Tm_T> firasR: not really
[10:57] <spinifex> tm_t: I mean so the terminal background isn't solid, so you can see through it
[10:58] <Tm_T> spinifex: well, there is that Eterm under Konsole
[10:58] <Tm_T> firasR: well, you can remove scrollbar but you can't remove borders
[10:58] <Tm_T> and fullscreen isn't solution
[10:59] <firasR> Tm_T:  didn't say it was, just a semi solution with the built-in konsole
[10:59] <spinifex> hmm, not as impressive as i was hoping.  Oh, do I need to install eterm?
[11:00] <Tm_T> spinifex: hmm, "not as impressive" err, what else you need than fully transparent term in background?
[11:01] <firasR> hehe
[11:01] <spinifex> when I set transparency on konsole, it just had a slow-updating image of the desktop background
[11:01] <Tm_T> yeah, that's true
[11:01] <firasR> Tm_T:  maybe he just can't see the beauty of it :) excuse the pun
[11:01] <Tm_T> spinifex: Konsole isn't the best solution if you wan
[11:01] <Tm_T> 't transparency
[11:02] <spinifex> besides, konsole is a bit clunkier than I want
[11:02] <firasR> spinifex:  that's what the guy's been tellin' u to do for the past 5 mins ;)
[11:02] <Tm_T> haha
[11:02] <spinifex> yeah yeah
[11:02] <gdh> spinifex: I can't help but think that KDE might be a bit clunky for you then :)
[11:02] <spinifex> ?
[11:02] <Tm_T> well, I use Eterm in my maindesktop fitted into background... and then 4x Konsole in different purposes
[11:04] <spinifex> oh, gotta go
[11:13] <firasR> Tm_T:  Eterm looks cool but I can't see much of a difference between it and konsole  besides the thin border that's visible in konsole, konsole has more options & is easier to config though
[11:14] <firasR> Tm_T:  any way to have multi-tab support in Eterm ?
[11:14] <Tm_T> firasR: yes, that's why I use Eterm only as fitted into background
[11:14] <Tm_T> no I don't think so
[11:15] <firasR> how can I change the text color ?
[11:15] <Tm_T> heh
[11:15] <firasR> got it .Eterm/...
[11:15] <Tm_T> man Eterm ;p
[11:22] <firasR> Tm_T:  i'm startin' to like it :)
[11:22] <Tm_T> heh
[11:23] <osh> Where can I find the w32codecs?
[11:25] <firasR> osh:  http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[11:26] <firasR> osh:  make sure to read this section first http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[11:29] <osh> firasR: Thanks. I'm not done just yet but the info's good. =)
[11:31] <firasR> osh:  u're welcome :) it's the best doc yet, always keep it on my Bookmars toolbar
[11:37] <_daky> hi
[11:42] <firasR> hello _daky
[11:42] <Tm_T> smouche o/
[11:44] <smouche> hey there Tm_T
[11:45] <Tm_T> how are you?
[11:45] <firasR> Tm_T:  u got me hooked on this Eterm man !
[11:45] <Tm_T> firasR: haha
[11:45] <smouche> pretty good, Tm_T, you?
[11:45] <firasR> Tm_T:  u using KDE or some other DE or WM ?
[11:46] <Tm_T> KDE
[11:46] <Tm_T> smouche: I'm fine :)
[11:47] <Tm_T> firasR: irc! http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_020.png
[11:47] <smouche> Tm_T hooked me on irssi; it looks great in a transparent Eterm, firasR
[11:47] <Tm_T> haha
[11:47] <firasR> smouche:  u read my mind ! i was gonna ask him about a transparent irc client :) hehe
[11:48] <smouche> get the right theme for irssi, and it's very pretty.
[11:48] <Tm_T> firasR: just check that pic ;p
[11:48] <firasR> smouche:  u guys teamin' up on me or somethin' ? :)
[11:48] <firasR> smouche:  any suggestions ?
[11:49] <smouche> yeah, we call it the finland-new york squeeze play.
[11:49] <firasR> hehe :) well u make a heckuva team !
[11:49] <Tm_T> smouche: you mean Joensuu-New York
[11:49] <smouche> for a theme, firasR?  Not really; you have to see what works well with your wallpaper, etc ;-)
[11:50] <Tm_T> firasR: make your own ;)
[11:50] <Tm_T> I did so
[11:50] <smouche> well, ok, Tm_T, but lately I've been thinking of New York as kind of a nation in itself...
[11:50] <Tm_T> haha
[11:51] <Tm_T> smouche: well, after over 200 years of terror from US, it's time for new revolution!
[11:52] <smouche> hey, we've only been really terror-inducing for about the last 120 years or so!
[11:52] <smouche> (outside the western hemisphere, anyway)
[11:52] <Tm_T> smouche: eh, that's not politicians talk
[11:53] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:55] <smouche> firasR, here's the theme page, if you haven't seen it yet:  http://irssi.org/?page=themes
[11:56] <Tm_T> yeah, but they're pretty easy to edit by yourself
[11:59] <smouche> well, I don't know any perl, Tm_T, and I'm lazy.
[12:00] <smouche> hehehe, I know, it's easy enough to just plug in my own values in the scripts


[00:07] <ubuntiste-msakni> daker, How can I use it to show the content in the ubuntu wiki?! x)
[10:35] <ubuntiste-msakni> Good morning!!
[10:35] <ubuntiste-msakni> Any body here tried Ubuntu Touch on an SGS3 ?
[11:38] <daker> ubuntiste-msakni: of cource, you just need to find a plugin that will display it on the wiki page
[12:00] <ubuntiste-msakni> daker, how can I install plugin on ubuntu wikis x)
[12:00] <daker> i don't know :)
[12:01] <daker> ubuntiste-msakni: i know that some teams uses the rss feed to display their team events on their wiki page
[12:01] <belkinsa> I think you can't.  You only can attach images to pages.
[12:02] <belkinsa> ubuntiste-msakni, the ubuntu Wikis are powered by MoinMoin wiki.
[12:18] <ubuntiste-msakni> I know that belkinsa :) I find this → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnXmlPages
[12:18] <ubuntiste-msakni> but not sure how to use it :/
[12:24] <belkinsa> Maybe someone the #ubuntu-doc channel knows.
[12:38] <ubuntiste-msakni> daker, how can I have informations about the team event from the http://loco.ubuntu.com/data/xml ?
[12:38] <daker> ubuntiste-msakni: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamPortal/API/
[12:40] <ubuntiste-msakni> Emmm.. can't use it to be included in the wiki without coding something by my own :)
[12:41] <daker> ubuntiste-msakni: yes or use the rss feed
[12:41] <daker> http://loco.ubuntu.com/feeds/teams/TEAM/
[12:41] <ubuntiste-msakni> OK, thx I'll try to include that to my team wiki pages :)
[12:42] <daker> i think there is an RSS reader plugin for wiki
[12:43] <ubuntiste-msakni> Yeah, but no idea if Ubuntu team installed it on the wiki or not :)
[14:36]  * geochr sfgf