[02:52] <desrt> who takes l-r-m bugs these days?
[02:52] <desrt> bugzilla still has them assigned to daniel
[02:59] <crimsun> I think fabbione does now
[02:59] <desrt> ahh.  5 seconds too late
[02:59] <crimsun> don't quote me on that, though.
[03:00] <desrt> he'll sort it out, i imagine
[05:28] <lamont-away>         kernel-wedge copy-modules 2.6.12-9 itanium-smp 2.6.12-9-itanium-smp
[05:28] <lamont-away> missing module ide-generic
[05:28] <lamont-away> BenC: so it looks like I missed a spot or 2 when I dropped ide-generic from ia64...
[05:58] <BenC> ah
[05:58] <BenC> sounds like something for 9.20
[06:07] <desrt> BenC; what's the name of the abi-checker script?
[06:10] <BenC> not really a script
[06:10] <BenC> look under the build target in debian/rules
[06:11] <BenC> uses the kernel tree generated Module.symvers file
[06:11] <BenC> with some sed/sort stuff
[06:11] <desrt> good morning, fabbione
[06:11] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:11] <desrt> you're up early
[06:12] <fabbione> nah
[06:12] <fabbione> it's my usual time
[06:12] <desrt> i figure it's either 6am, 7am, 8am or 9am there :)
[06:13] <desrt> 6!
[06:13] <fabbione> 6am
[06:13] <fabbione> i always wake up between 4 and 7
[06:13] <desrt> crikey
[06:13] <fabbione> nah
[06:13] <fabbione> it's because i am stressed
[06:13] <desrt> you need a nice vacation once breezy is released
[06:13] <desrt> why don't you come to canada?
[06:14] <fabbione> i will arrive a few days before UBZ
[06:14] <fabbione> the 26th
[06:14] <fabbione> and wander around 3/4 days
[06:14] <desrt> i'd invite you to wander my way, but i'm going to be really busy those days
[06:15] <fabbione> desrt: do you live in montreal?
[06:15] <desrt> no.
[06:15] <fabbione> how far from montreal?
[06:15] <desrt> about 6 hours
[06:15] <fabbione> hmm a bit too much
[06:15] <fabbione> but thanks for the offer
[06:15] <desrt> i didn't offer :)
[06:16] <fabbione> s/offer/idea
[06:16] <desrt> :p
[06:16] <fabbione> whatever
[06:16] <fabbione> i am still injecting coffee
[06:16] <desrt> a good reason for anything
[06:16] <desrt> ubuntu is your only job, right?
[06:17] <fabbione> yes
[06:17] <desrt> is it stressful, or other life factors?
[06:17] <fabbione> several reasons
[06:17] <fabbione> but right now we are approaching release
[06:18] <fabbione> and my stress level goes up due to extra QA paranoia that ticks in my brain
[06:18] <desrt> ya.  i worry a lot about that too
[06:22] <fabbione> hmm what program is used to burn .bin/.cue in linux??
[06:22] <fabbione> i can never remember
[06:22] <desrt> cdrecord
[06:22] <fabbione> ok
[06:23] <fabbione> thanks
[06:23] <fabbione> i am not such a win hacker :)
[06:25] <desrt> ow
[06:25] <desrt> the canadian papersize bug is back
[06:25] <fabbione> -ENOCARE :P
[06:25] <desrt> i sure as hell do :p
[06:25] <fabbione> today i am not going to work... too tired
[06:25] <desrt> it's sunday!
[06:25] <desrt> it's a sin to work
[06:26] <fabbione> the only real solution is to change country
[06:26] <desrt> :)
[06:27] <desrt> infinity; ping
[06:28] <desrt> infinity; you fixed this bug last time :)
[06:29] <fabbione> the rule of "you touched last" rock
[06:30] <desrt> de facto maintainership with a sample size of exactly 1
[06:31] <desrt> man
[06:32] <desrt> i destroyed a lot of information by reinstalling
[06:32] <desrt> forgot to backup /etc... forgot to backup /usr/local.... forgot to backup my ssh key
[06:32] <desrt> the ssh key alone will be an excessive amount of work to repair
[06:33] <fabbione> eheh i know
[06:33] <fabbione> i did rm -rf /home once
[06:33] <fabbione> i know the pain
[06:36] <desrt> i think i'll tell everyone that i decided to 'rotate' my keys :)
[06:37] <fabbione> AHAHHA
[06:37] <fabbione> i would blame libpaper for overwriting them
[06:37] <desrt> hmmm.. not bad
[06:38] <desrt> i could say i wrote a script that checks /etc/papersize and erases my ssh key if it's not "letter"
[06:38] <desrt> that way i can detect if my laptop is stolen and taken out of the country and destroy my key for security purposes
[06:38] <fabbione> cdrecord: Unsupported sector size 2352 for data on line 2 in 'dev-civ3.cue'.
[06:38] <fabbione> HMMM
[06:39] <desrt> you have to use cuefile=
[06:39] <fabbione> i did
[06:39] <desrt> oh.  weird
[06:39] <fabbione> cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc driveropts=burnfree cuefile=dev-civ3.cue -dao
[06:39] <desrt> did you try -pad?
[06:39] <fabbione> the man page says to use -dao
[06:39] <fabbione> No track files are allowed when this option is
[06:39] <fabbione>               present and the option -dao is currently needed in addition.
[06:39] <fabbione> go figure
[06:51] <infinity> desrt : <poke>
[06:53] <desrt> hey
[06:53] <desrt> 'sup
[06:53] <infinity> Tell me of your papersize woes.
[06:53] <desrt> i added a clarification to the bug
[06:53] <infinity> Were you in en_CA when libpaper1 was installed?
[06:53] <desrt> To clarify -- the exact problem is that when choosing:
[06:53] <desrt>   English
[06:53] <desrt>   Canada
[06:53] <desrt>   American English (keyboard layout)
[06:53] <desrt> in the installer then the resulting installation has an /etc/papersize that
[06:54] <desrt> contains "a4" instead of "letter"
[06:54] <desrt> fresh install
[06:54] <fabbione> hey infinity
[06:54] <desrt> maybe the installer doesn't set the locale during the libpaper instsall?
[06:54] <infinity> I'm sure it's something more insidious.
[06:55] <desrt> :)
[06:55] <desrt> man
[06:55] <desrt> i have this fresh looking breezy on my laptop
[06:55] <desrt> it looks hawt
[06:55] <desrt> all new artwork just hit
[06:57] <infinity> Alright, what the heck is supposed to set '$LC_PAPER'?
[06:57] <infinity> Cause that's what we're checking in the config script.
[06:59] <infinity> desrt : Is this still a pretty shiny/fresh install?
[06:59] <desrt> infinity; more or less.. i've installed some stuff but haven't really modified anything yet
[06:59] <desrt> infinity; 'cept for changing /etc/papersize to 'letter' of course
[06:59] <infinity> desrt : What's the output of "locale", run as root?
[07:00] <fabbione> it's probably unset
[07:00] <fabbione> it gets forced at d-i
[07:01] <desrt> k
[07:01] <desrt> LC_PAPER shouldn't be set
[07:01] <desrt> LANGUAGE and LANG are set
[07:02] <desrt> and locale uses those to determine the value of LC_PAPER
[07:02] <infinity> To?
[07:02] <infinity> Err, yes.  I know.
[07:02] <desrt> but
[07:02] <desrt> (flood)
[07:02] <infinity> (Though it can be set independantly as well, if you feel like it)
[07:02] <desrt> LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
[07:02] <desrt> LC_CTYPE="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_NUMERIC="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_TIME="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_COLLATE="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_MONETARY="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_MESSAGES="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_PAPER="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_NAME="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_ADDRESS="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_TELEPHONE="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_MEASUREMENT="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_ALL=
[07:11] <desrt> infinity; sigh
[07:11] <desrt> infinity; freenode isn't letting me /msg you
[07:12] <desrt> infinity; /j #libpaper
[07:12] <infinity> Oh, actually, nevermind. :)
[07:12] <desrt> k :)
[07:12] <infinity> I think I did all the testing here that I wanted you to do anyway. ;)
[07:13] <desrt> took me a while to realise why you weren't responding to me
[07:13] <desrt> when the real truth is that i was failing to respond to you :)
[07:14] <infinity> Ahh, oops.
[07:15] <infinity> I've been told that I can opt-in to unregistered /msg, but after I asked "how", everyone was silent.
[07:16] <infinity> desrt : Try now.
[07:20] <fabbione> infinity: tell to nickserv
[07:20] <fabbione> or change your mode to +6 i think
[07:21] <fabbione> -NickServ-     UNFILTERED Allow messages from unregistered users
[07:21] <fabbione> using the set option
[07:22] <infinity> Yeah, already fixed.
[07:27] <desrt> alas!
[07:28] <infinity> It probably does, on his.
[07:28] <infinity> He has lots of changes in fd.o CVS that we don't (and can't) have in breezy, and even more changes sitting on his hard drive that he refuses to commit until they stop sucking.
[07:29] <desrt> :)
[07:29] <desrt> benh = magic
[07:30] <infinity> Not that benh being magic will do much for you, unless you want to start compiling xorg drivers in your spare time.
[07:30] <desrt> i am just blown away by _how nice_ the new ubuntu-artwork is
[07:30] <infinity> (And updated kernel, libdrm, and mesa... I believe)
[07:31] <desrt> uhm
[07:31] <desrt> did the archive's webserver just go offline for some reason?
[07:31] <infinity> Connection refused.  Fun.
[07:32] <infinity> Could be rebooting.
[07:32] <infinity> Erm, I doubt they're both rebooting.
[07:32] <infinity> So, more likely a firewall hates us, suddenly.
[07:36] <desrt> yuh... this archive-offline business is a real buzzkill for my new install :)
[07:38] <infinity> There are plenty of mirrors, dude. :)
[07:38] <desrt> i thought they all went to the same place
[07:39] <infinity> Most of the TLD.archive stuff just goes back to archive, for whatever reason.
[07:39] <infinity> But there are lots of mirrors outside the ubuntu.com namespace.
[07:39] <desrt> ahah
[07:39] <desrt> archive.ubuntulinux.org for example
[07:40] <infinity> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[07:40] <infinity> Seems to list a bunch in Canada.
[07:40] <infinity> Err... Two. :)
[07:40] <desrt> i'm not a canadian :p
[07:40] <infinity> Make that one.
[07:40] <infinity> Then what's up with the en_CA?
[07:40] <desrt> canadian english is the one true spelling
[07:41] <infinity> http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/ should be fast....
[07:41] <infinity> UMN == People who host saens.debian.org, one of Debian's most busy http.us/ftp primaries.
[07:44] <infinity> Hrm.
[07:44] <infinity> desrt : So, what's the deal with you being connected from a cable ISP in Ontario, then? :)
[07:44] <desrt> ya.  i made that up :)
[07:45] <desrt> i was wondering if you'd noticed up there ^^ when i was saying how fabbione should come visit me in canada :)
[07:45] <infinity> Nah, I don't do scrollback.
[07:45] <infinity> If you're in Ontario, UMN should be blindingly fast.
[07:45] <desrt> i already added that canadian one
[07:45] <desrt> but frankly it sort of sucks, so i may give umn a go
[07:45] <infinity> Unless your podunk ISP's reouting/peering is shit, it's probably like 5 hops to UNM for you.
[07:46] <desrt> pfah
[07:46] <desrt> more like 16
[07:47] <infinity> Right.  Podunk ISP it is, then. :)
[07:47] <desrt> my isp is actually pretty wicked
[07:47] <infinity> Note that it's 16 hops (exactly, weird) to saens.debian.org for me in AUSTRALIA.
[07:48] <infinity> And that first hop is my internal router, so make that 15 hops.
[07:48] <infinity> Of course, they're probably slighty longer/slower hops than yours. :)
[07:50] <desrt> my gateway at home is a sweet 5 hops from my workstation at school
[07:50] <desrt> 3 of those hops being inside of the university :p
[07:51] <infinity> And I'll bet your university has better peering than your ISP does.
[07:51] <infinity> So the solution is to tunnel everything from home thorugh your uni. :)
[07:51] <infinity> through, too.
[07:53] <desrt> incidentally, i already have such a tunnel set up
[07:53] <desrt> it's just not my default route
[07:53] <desrt> i use it to ssh to hosts on my private network at school
[07:53] <infinity> Which school do you go to>
[07:53] <infinity> ?
[07:54] <desrt> mcmaster
[07:54] <desrt> which is still a lot of hops away from umn
[07:54] <infinity> :)
[07:54] <desrt> i start getting the * * * at 11
[07:54] <infinity> If it's going through Level3, you proabbly don't want it.
[07:55] <infinity> (Well, L3 bandwidth is good, but the academic networks are much faster)
[07:55] <desrt> mcmaster -> orion -> canet -> gigapop -> ggnet
[07:55] <desrt> why don't i recognise the names of these networks?
[07:56] <infinity> I don't know Orion, I assume it's an Ontario educational backbone.
[07:56] <infinity> Cause CAnet is part of Canada's internet2 backbone.
[07:56] <desrt> i should find out who my isp peers
[07:57] <crimsun> canet should be linked to abilene somehow
[07:57] <desrt> s/isp/school/
[07:59] <desrt> i also wonder if they have ipv6 connectivity
[08:00] <desrt> it doesn't look like it
[10:59] <crimsun> good lord, this diff is almost 200 KB
[06:33] <lamont-away> BenC: I forgot to copy that file back from the machine where I was doing builds... -9.20 has an initial commit now.
[11:28] <karlheg> Should I use 'baz' or 'tla' to access that linux-source/debian Arch-ive?
[11:29] <karlheg> I want to learn to use 'xtla' \over (baz|tla).  Is that the toolset people are using?
[11:29] <karlheg> I find that tla is not easy to use.  'git' was simpler.
[11:29] <karlheg> ... but lacks a nice Emacs interface.  :-)


[00:18] <jcastro> cscheib, yes, yes it is.
[00:31] <jrwren> you saw forgue?
[00:38] <cscheib> jrwren: https://twitter.com/quarfot/status/591064617570291712
[00:39] <jrwren> straight bourbon is REALLY good while smelling fresh ground coffee
[00:39] <jrwren> yes, it was one of those days, and NOT at work. Work is a blessing compared to the rest of life right now.
[00:40] <cscheib> https://mesosphere.com/blog/2015/04/23/apple-details-j-a-r-v-i-s-the-mesos-framework-that-runs-siri/
[00:42] <jrwren> the fact that it is mesos makes me love apple less :p
[00:43] <jrwren> ugh. HDFS *shudder*
[00:43] <jrwren> we can do so much better as a species :)
[01:56] <cmaloney> heh
[02:03] <jrwren> DEMAND MORE!
[02:03] <jrwren> cmaloney: favorite 1985 album release?
[12:39] <cmaloney> mornoing
[12:57] <cmaloney> jrwren: toss-up between PIL: album, Rush: Power Windows and Don Dorsey Bachbusters
[13:30] <rick_h_> morn
[14:07] <cmaloney> morning
[14:08] <cmaloney> jrwren: why did you ask? ;)
[14:08] <jrwren> cmaloney: was having a review of 1985  music
[14:08] <jrwren> some stupid kids said that music older than them sucks.
[14:09] <jrwren> i set 'em straight
[14:09] <jrwren> 1985 was no 1989 for sure, but still some great stuff in 85
[14:09] <cmaloney> yeah, not a great year, but a good year
[14:10] <cmaloney> i think there were more cd re-releases takong center stage
[14:10] <cmaloney> ah, no, off by a few years
[14:10] <cmaloney> sisters of mercy released first and last and alwasys
[14:11] <cmaloney> though I think Floodland is a stronger album
[14:11] <cmaloney> and Dead Milkmen released Big Lizard in my backyard
[14:12] <jrwren> yeah i pointed out the sisters release.
[14:12] <cmaloney> also: unless they weree born beforee Led Zeppelin and Rush they have nothing to stand on
[14:12] <jrwren> I didn't point out the Dead Milkmen release :)
[14:12] <cmaloney> ;)
[14:12] <cmaloney> take it or leave it. ;)
[14:12] <cmaloney> not my favorite bit fun nonetheless
[14:12] <cmaloney> but
[14:13] <jrwren> they were just being stupid kids.
[14:13] <jrwren> but this old man (me) took it a bit to heart
[14:13] <cmaloney> yeah and it workesd
[14:14] <cmaloney> that's OK. their kids will disparage Dillinger Escape Plan and thery can go apoplectic on them too
[14:14] <jrwren> ha!
[14:21] <_stink_> i still have Dean's Dream and Nutrition on a playlist i listen to all the time :)
[14:24] <jrwren> what is that?
[14:25] <_stink_> two tracks from Big Lizard in my Backyard
[22:01] <cscheib> fellow michiganders... any suggestions for a really good restaurant in Michigan outside of the east-side that would be worth a road trip for... trying to figure out something to do for my birthday so my gf stops asking
[22:02] <cscheib> budget is fairly flexible, up to $100/person
[22:02] <cscheib> trying to figure out someplace good I've never been to and normally wouldn't go to
[22:32] <greg-g> good feels of the day: Due to the reorg, two of my team members (manual qa) moved to fully embedded/reporting to another manager. I asked them about our 1:1s and they both asked to keep them (but reduced frequency).
[22:41] <brousch> cscheib: Toulous in Saugatuck is nice, and it's a nice little town to walk around.


[09:38] <helmut_> hi
[16:41] <Nevimus> Is ubuntu for Android a firmware or app
[16:45] <HacDan> both.
[16:45] <Nevimus> Is firmware easy to install?
[16:46] <Nevimus> I have a rooted Motorola defy+
[16:47] <Nevimus> I really don't like the firmware.. Was going to use something like cyanogenmod but I might wait for ubuntu for Android release
[16:51] <HacDan> ubuntu for android will not be an android replacement
[16:52] <HacDan> and at this time, ubuntu is only supporting dual core phones, which the defy+ is not.
[16:58] <Nevimus> K
[16:59] <Nevimus> Still had 1gig chip and 512mb ram.. Is that still bad?
[18:35] <Beezy> hi everybody, hope your day is going well!
[18:36] <Beezy> anybody got time for question relating to bluetooth?
[18:38] <Beezy> well, ugh, let me know if ya do!!!
[18:46] <Hiob10hiob> any news?
[18:46] <Myrtti> on a weekend?
[18:47] <Hiob10hiob> y? not
[18:50] <HacDan> Beezy: as with most irc channels, just ask your question, you'll have a better chance of getting an answer =)
[18:51] <Beezy> oh, I want to set Bluetooth pan up on my android through ubuntu but there is no adaptor found in ubuntu
[18:52] <Beezy> I beat around the bush because it's complicated question: I have rom supporting cryomod, no idea if I have to pass bluetooth to ubuntu or what
[18:53] <Beezy> I have found little info about running ubuntu on phone and what is supported or how to do it
[18:53] <HacDan> ubuntu only runs in a chroot at the moment on cell phones that I know of
[18:54] <HacDan> in regards to bluetooth pan tethering, I'll see what i can find
[18:54] <Beezy> thanks!
[18:55] <HacDan> to make sure I understand things correctly, you're looking to tether your android's connection to your ubuntu box, correct?
[18:56] <Beezy> well, my goal is to connect my android sdcard through a samba netwrok
[18:56] <Beezy> to samba folder share through bluetooth
[18:57] <Beezy> interesting goal perhaps
[18:59] <HacDan> hrm.. and doing things via wifi is out of th question?
[18:59] <Beezy> I did what I wanted with wifi, save when I connect to some wifi networks I frequent they block certain connections
[19:00] <Beezy> I figued bluetooth would be unblockable, plus if it did work it would be much more convinient
[19:00] <Beezy> but, it's not really done by anybody yet
[19:00] <HacDan> well, http://blog.sumostyle.net/robg/2009/11/16/ubuntu-tethering-via-bluetooth-pan/ to get you going with ubuntu pan tethering
[19:01] <HacDan> outside of that, I'm not seeing a use for it =/
[19:01] <HacDan> you could mount your phone's sdcard on your machine and share via samba that way, you're adding an unneccsary link =/
[19:01] <Beezy> lol, pan would would good for internet sharing too i bet
[19:02] <HacDan> well unless you're running a samba server on your phone, what are you trying to accomplish?
[19:02] <Beezy> well, I want to sync my microsoft onenotes wirelessly, I don't wanna plug it in! im lazy
[19:02] <HacDan> ahh
[19:02] <Beezy> i found a good samba server for andriod, but like I said I get blocked by certain networks
[19:03] <Beezy> bluetooth should be unstoppable, save for router interference, we will see
[19:03] <Beezy> thanks for the link checking it out now!
[19:04] <HacDan> sorry I'm not much of help, it is a very strange use-case
[19:06] <Beezy> ya, that's how I live
[19:07] <Beezy> i dunno, my main issue following all other instructions is after I install blueman gui app the bluetooth adaptor isn't found.  I don't know if it's a standard setup issue or if it is beause I'm running it 'next' to android
[19:09] <Beezy> the link you sent seems to be from computer perspective, I will be using mr microsoft to pair.
[19:25] <HacDan> I've never heard of mr microsoft, sorry :(
[19:33] <Beezy> lol, thanks though!


[01:03] <ovidiu-florin> anyone here?
[01:04] <dougl> yes
[01:05] <ovidiu-florin> I'm trying to create a unformated partition
[01:05] <ovidiu-florin> and I can't
[01:06] <ovidiu-florin> wait, I think I got it
[01:06] <ovidiu-florin> rebooting :D
[02:23] <Walzmyn> I updated from 12.04 to 13.10 (a mistake) and now my system keeps locking up when I reboot. Anybody else seeing such?
[02:30] <soee> locking up ?
[02:43] <Walzmyn> at grub, I get a warning that some file is not found, press any key to continue. Then it will lock up before I see the login
[02:43] <Walzmyn> After restart I get to the login, but it locks up before I can do anything
[02:44] <Walzmyn> 3rd time I can type my password but it locks up instead of going forward. This will repeat 4 or 5 times before it actually logs in
[02:44] <Walzmyn> has done this every time I've had to reboot since the upgrade, maybe 20 times.
[04:57] <ek> Anyone here experiencing strange speed fluctuations with the latest 13.10 release?
[04:57] <ek> After some recent updates, I can only upload 10-20MB/s on my gig-e network. Download seems fine (110-125MB/s).
[04:59] <ek> Perodically, however, it will hit full speed on upload.
[05:01] <mysteriousdarren> I was and upgraded to the 14 and it stopped
[05:01] <ek> Really?
[05:02] <ek> Did you happen to figure out what the issue is/was?
[05:07] <ek> mysteriousdarren: Perhaps I'll give that a try. Thanks for the info. Otherwise, maybe rolling back might fix it as well.
[05:07] <ek> I just find it odd that it happened with updates and not with the initial release.
[05:08] <ek> Perhaps my Google-Fu is lacking a bit. I'll keep looking around.
[07:05] <Guest84262> using kubuntu 13.10 , whenever i hit trash icon or trash in the menu it takes me to home folder , how to fix this
[07:18] <Guest84262> can someone give a remedy pls thanks
[07:19] <ip_> using kubuntu 13.10 , whenever i hit trash icon or trash in the menu it takes me to home folder , how to fix this
[08:29] <Guest74154> hi need help with trashcan shortcut hit leading to home folder instead of trash folder
[08:30] <Guest74154> do i need to remap the icon route , how to do that
[08:45] <ip_> hi need help with trashcan shortcut hit leading to home folder instead of trash folder
[08:45] <ip_> hi need help with trashcan shortcut hit leading to home folder instead of trash folder
[08:46] <ip_> hi admin pls help
[08:46] <ip_> using dolphin , kubuntu 13.10
[08:47] <qdata> this is trashcan in Dolphin and not a plasma widget?
[08:48] <qdata> right-click on the icon and select Edit 'Trash'
[08:49] <qdata> the label should sayTrash and the Location should say trash:/
[08:51] <ip_> in the dolphin its fine , it leads to trash:/ , but the plasma widget or trash in the menu leads to home
[08:53] <ip__> @
[08:54] <qdata> OK - I didn't have a trash in my menu so I put one there, and I see what you mean - mine does that too
[08:54] <qdata> never had a trashcan in my menu before, don't need it when there's one in Places
[08:56] <ip__> i put a shortcut on a new panel and it leads to home , why , where can a change the path of the hit on the icon
[08:57] <ip_> @
[10:27] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:15] <ip> any help is welcome
[11:16] <Guest35435> i put a shortcut on a new panel and it leads to home , why , where can a change the path of the hit on the icon
[11:24] <Guest35435> hi admin could u pls help
[11:43] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:02] <kdepepo> How can I reach the Kubuntu QA team?
[12:11] <Guest35435> i put a shortcut on a new panel and it leads to home , why , where can a change the path of the hit on the icon
[12:11] <Guest35435> need help with this pls
[12:12] <Guest35435> trash icon
[15:04] <marcellus> hi. when I used to use ubuntu, there was an applet for the performance of CPU where I could choose high performance or "on demand". does any one know if there is such applet for kubuntu?
[16:42] <Kronkels> any one home
[16:46] <frank67> BluesKaj: I solved the trouble I had with my old ati radeon board, are you interested to know how I did?
[16:47] <frank67> BluesKaj: FYI
[16:56] <BluesKaj> frank67, yes , clue me in
[16:57] <frank67> BluesKaj: Hi :) it was relataed at a wrong OpenGL driver version support of kwin
[16:58] <frank67> BluesKaj: kwin doesn't pick up the right OpenGL driver for my board
[16:59] <BluesKaj> ahh, ok good to know , frank67
[16:59] <frank67> BluesKaj: it used the 2.0 version but the OpenGL version that my board it 1.3
[17:00] <frank67> BluesKaj: so I had to create a .kde/env directory in my home
[17:00] <BluesKaj> ati graphics drivers are sort of all over the map
[17:01] <frank67> BluesKaj: then create and made executable a file (I called exports.sh) that contain the kwin enviroment variable
[17:02] <BluesKaj> really , so you found a tutorial or some good advice ?
[17:02] <frank67> BluesKaj: yes I found it on ubuntu forum
[17:02]  * BluesKaj nods
[17:03] <frank67> BluesKaj: but on that forum told about enable OpenGL 2.0while I need to enable 1.0
[17:05] <frank67> BluesKaj: the tip was to pass at that variable the "O1" string in order to get kwin started with OpenGL driver version 1.3
[17:07] <BluesKaj> ok, so no OpenGL 3.1 options. frank67
[17:08] <BluesKaj> with raster
[17:08] <frank67> BluesKaj: not for my old board :( the script is #! /bin/sh
[17:08] <frank67> export KWIN_COMPOSE=O1
[17:09] <frank67> BluesKaj: that enable 3D effect
[17:10] <BluesKaj> ok , sounds like you have it figured out , frank67 ... good job!
[17:11] <frank67> BluesKaj: I tried with "O2" but didn't work on my hardware these it's good for old ati radeon that lack recent OpenGL driver version support
[17:12] <frank67> BluesKaj: that's all! :)
[17:13] <BluesKaj> frank67, is this on 13.10 ?
[17:13] <frank67> BluesKaj: yes it is
[17:14] <frank67> BluesKaj: I don't know why kwin needs this setup but without it doesn't work
[17:15] <frank67> BluesKaj: 3D effect doesn't work
[17:15] <frank67> BluesKaj: I had to go
[17:16] <frank67> BluesKaj: merry xMas see you soon :) bye
[17:21] <BluesKaj> frank67, Merry Christmas to you too!
[18:27] <slawko> hi all
[18:29] <slawko> i have a problem with calendar in KDE, and I'm looking for solution
[18:29] <slawko> I've got a problem with calendar in Kontact - how to sync it with the calendar in system tray? (that shown after clicking a clock)
[18:30] <slawko> it doesn't do it by default
[18:30] <slawko> at least in my case
[18:33] <slawko> I want my events, saved in calendars in Kontact to be showned i this calendar
[19:10] <c_smith_> is it possible to change the User Agent string in Konqueror?
[19:10] <c_smith_> if so, how would I go about doing that?
[19:15] <BluesKaj> c_smith_,http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/Konqueror/
[19:15] <c_smith_> BluesKaj, I've already given up and installed Firefox.
[19:16] <c_smith_> Rekonq  has been a toughie for me, buggy at best.
[19:16] <c_smith_> now Konqueror is a solid piece of software, why it was dropped I don't know.
[19:16] <BluesKaj> c_smith_, ok , konqueror isn't well supported anyway
[19:16] <BluesKaj> unfortunately yes
[19:17] <c_smith_> only thing I needed the user agent switched for  is Pipelight.
[19:17] <BluesKaj> not familiar with p
[19:18] <BluesKaj> Pipelight
[19:19] <c_smith_> BluesKaj, it's a plugin loader for various Windows plugins such as Silverlight, Flash and Unity3D
[19:20] <BluesKaj> c_smith_, Silverlight ? hmm didn't think there were any apps that would run it in linux
[19:21] <c_smith_> BluesKaj, it basically loads it in Wine and uses the plugin loader to pipe it to the native Linux browsers such as Opera, Firefox, or Chrome.
[19:21] <c_smith_> less overhead than  using the older Netflix-desktop which would load Firefox in Wine.
[19:21] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:22] <c_smith_> another reminder why I don't use Rekonq: frequent lockups. >.<
[19:22] <BluesKaj> don't use netflix , tried it a couple times in windows , but the selection wasn't my cuppa tea
[19:22] <BluesKaj> rekonq is hopeless
[19:23] <c_smith_> BluesKaj, amen to that.
[19:23] <c_smith_> and I use Netflix mainly for watching Scifi movies when I'm bored. lol
[19:23] <c_smith_> any other time I'm either working on bugs, my own projects, or playing games.
[19:25] <BluesKaj> well, netflix might be better now , but when it became available in Canada they didn't have the rights to show a lot of movies here yet.
[20:28] <mapyth> ./join #amarok
[21:08] <c_smith> hey, does anyone here know how (if possible) I can set up my @ubuntu.com alias in Kontact?
[21:51] <bjrohan> in 13.10 what is the gui for scheduling cron jobs
[21:52] <bjrohan> I thought it was in System Settings Task Scheduler?
[22:31] <Mmike> Hello. Anyone having issues with Kubuntu 13.10 while trying to transfer files wia mtp using dolphin from samsung galaxy s3 mini ?
[23:01] <user___> hello
[23:01] <user___> everyone


[00:41] <unknownmosquito> I'm trying to rotate my display right with an xorg conf directive and the Xorg log files indicates that my directive is being applied but another directive later overrides it. Does anyone know where I can place this conf file so that it will have precedence?
[00:43] <unknownmosquito> it is currently in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[00:44] <unknownmosquito> Is this channel dead? :(
[01:42] <SoItBegins> What are my options for updating a computer on which I install Ubuntu, and can carry files in and out over USB, but have no Internet connection?
[01:43] <strive> SoItBegins: Is it a laptop?
[01:43] <SoItBegins> No, it is a Dell minibrick of the type you can see at small businesses and schools everywhere. I don’t think it has a Wi-Fi adapter.
[01:44] <strive> :(
[01:45] <SoItBegins> Though Internet Sharing over Bluetooth isn’t a bad idea, if it has Bluetooth.
[01:46] <sarnold> SoItBegins: apt-offline may help
[01:46] <SoItBegins> What is that?
[01:46] <sarnold> https://github.com/rickysarraf/apt-offline
[01:46] <SoItBegins> Ooh, that’s encouraging...
[01:47] <sarnold> it's in the arxchive so no need to actually use github, it's just convenient to see it there
[01:47] <strive> Yeah - interesting.
[01:47] <SoItBegins> Um. Is Ubuntu debian-based? I don’t actually know.
[01:47] <sarnold> also I'm pretty sure the gui is optional
[01:47] <SoItBegins> And the page says it requires that.
[01:51] <pragmaticenigma> SoItBegins: Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian. Much of the OS design has its origins in Debian, however, the two OS's are very different in their goals and scope
[01:51] <sarnold> SoItBegins: yes, ubuntu is derived from debian. 99% of ubvuntu packages came from debian, some are more update in ubuntu, some are more updated in debian, and some may be available only in one or the other
[01:51] <SoItBegins> Ahhhh, gotcha. Thank you both!
[01:51] <sarnold> SoItBegins: ubuntu tries to make some
[01:51] <sarnold> (sorry, new keyboard)
[01:52] <sarnold> make some "tasteful" choices on what software to use by default, configurations, etc, so there's different feeling to both
[01:52] <sarnold> some debian users hate the choices ubuntu makes, others make similar choices :)
[01:53] <SoItBegins> I am mostly going to use Ubuntu to run Windows programs and play games, so… I’m not too worried.
[01:53] <calamari> Which Debian-based distros will continue to support Wine, Steam, and other 32-bit applications despite Ubuntu dropping library support? I assume some (most?) Ubuntu-based distros will automatically lose support.
[01:54] <SoItBegins> Hold up, Ubuntu’s dropping 32-bit support?
[01:54] <sarnold> calamari: 18.04 will be supported for free until 2023, so thjere's no real rush
[01:55] <sarnold> x86-32 -- armhf will probably still be in the next lts, but I will certainly ask if 20.10 should drop armhf too: browsers are huge things and trying to build them on a platform with only ~2 gigs free memory space is miserable
[01:57] <calamari> sarnold: So you're going to wait until 2023 to jump ship? I've been using Ubuntu since Warty, so it's not like I want to leave.
[01:57] <pragmaticenigma> calamari: Debian itself still continues support for select i386 architectures, but it varies depending on the release. note that 32 bit applications can still run on 64 bit machines. It's specific libraries that Ubuntu/Canonical will no longer be supporting that may affect some programs
[01:58] <sarnold> calamari: I haven't used a 32 bit computer in a dozen years or more. no real big problem for me :)
[01:59] <calamari> sarnold: Steam, Wine, Adobe Reader 9
[01:59] <pragmaticenigma> Also, snapd continues to provide and support 32bit applications. The current recommendation from canonical is to move apps that need 32 bit support into snap containers
[01:59] <sarnold> calamari: I recognize not everyone can replace their systems the way I do, but it's getting harder and harder to build modern software for tiny machines
[01:59] <calamari> running a game from a snap? LOL
[02:00] <calamari> also: snap is cancer that should have died years ago
[02:00] <sarnold> I think it
[02:00] <pragmaticenigma> calamari: Let's keep things on topic, and reserve opinions for #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:00] <calamari> pragmaticenigma: other people offered their opinions
[02:00] <sarnold> it's a better delivery mechanism than other iot approaches. I'm not sold on it for desktops stuff.
[02:00] <calamari> so I'm gonna offer mine
[02:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> I have it on good authority that solutions are being worked on for 32-bit wine and steam, so in the words of Douglas Adams, "Don't Panic."
[02:02] <SoItBegins> Hold up, hold up, if I want to run Wine in all its glory in Ubuntu, do I need to download 18 LTS (instead of 19)?
[02:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> !yy.mm | SoItBegins
[02:02] <SoItBegins> Uh…. I think your bot is on vacation.
[02:03] <pragmaticenigma> SoItBegins: Please note the Ubuntu uses the YY.MM format for release versions... please remember to include both parts so everyone understands which versions you are referring to
[02:03] <SoItBegins> Ahhhhh.
[02:03] <SoItBegins> v18.04.2 LTS vs v19.04
[02:04] <sarnold> I
[02:04] <sarnold> I've never tried wine so no advice from me thjere
[02:04] <sarnold> lts releases are usually less trouible
[02:04] <pragmaticenigma> 19.10 will not provide 32-bit packages from Canonical. 19.04 and earlier will continue to support 32-bit applications until they have reached the respective end-of-life dates
[02:04] <sarnold> the others are usually newer software
[02:04] <SoItBegins> So 19.04 is OK. Got it. Thank you.
[02:05] <Eickmeyer> 19.04 is End-Of-Life in January, FYI SoItBegins.
[02:05] <Eickmeyer> But.... please... everyone.... DON'T PANIC. There are solutions in the works.
[02:06] <Eickmeyer> I'm not at liberty right now to say what those look like, but it will be amicable.
[02:06] <calamari> Eickmeyer: will acroread work?
[02:06] <Eickmeyer> calamari: I don't know what that is.
[02:06] <SoItBegins> Eickmeyer: That’s fine. I’m probably going to be using Ubuntu only as a secondary computer for playing certain games … including various retro games via Wine.
[02:06] <calamari> Eickmeyer: Adobe Reader 9
[02:06] <pragmaticenigma> Suffice it to say, Ubuntu is not the first OS to drop i386 support, other distros have done it and they are still doing just fine
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> calamari: More importantly, I cannot predict the future.
[02:07] <calamari> Eickmeyer: It was dropped years ago, but people have found ways to keep it running even up to 18.04
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> calamari: Again, I can't predict the future.
[02:08] <calamari> Eickmeyer: Who are you, why are you claiming you have inside info?
[02:08] <Eickmeyer> calamari: I'm the lead for Ubuntu Studio.
[02:09] <calamari> got it
[02:11] <pragmaticenigma> Or you're welcome to join the various mailing lists which will often carry these same nuggets of information: https://lists.ubuntu.com/#Development+Lists
[02:29] <cgi> my wifi chipset is giving me a max of 40Mbit / second. Any thoughts on how I can increase that number?
[02:32] <SwedeMike> cgi: is this within a few meters from the device without any walls or anything in between?
[02:32] <pragmaticenigma> cgi: you would need to provide a lot more information for anyone to know what advice to offer. Also note, the speed ratings of wifi is based on optimal labratory settings. Real world transfer rates will vary greatly depending on many factors such as building construction, how many people/animals are in the vicinity, other electronic interference from appliances, other wifi devices in the vicinity
[02:38] <cgi> Sedated, 20 feet, dry wall - Intel Corporation Wireless-AC 9560
[02:39] <pragmaticenigma> I'll simplify cgi ... there is nothing software wise that you can do to tune the performance of your wireless connectivity
[02:39] <cgi> pragmaticenigma, wifi drivers?
[02:42] <cgi> max speed is 1.7Gbps
[02:42] <SwedeMike> cgi: you can start by verifying you're on 5Ghz and not on 2.4GHz.
[02:43] <SwedeMike> cgi: does your AP support AC1900 as well?
[02:44] <SwedeMike> cgi: under ideal conditions you can expect around 800 megabit/s of throughput under ideal conditions, drywall and 7 meters distance makes this less ideal.
[02:45] <cgi> https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/wifi-routers/wndr4300.aspx
[02:46] <cgi> SwedeMike, 2.4Ghz - need to switch to 5.
[02:47] <pragmaticenigma> cgi: start with giving the 2.4 and 5 ghz networks different SSIDs and then connecting to the 5 ghz ssid
[02:48] <pragmaticenigma> if both frequencies have the same network name, the card will auto negotiate to which provides the strongest and most reliable signal
[02:49] <pragmaticenigma> typically 2.4 wins as 5 ghz is more susceptible to interference
[02:49] <cgi> I do have separate names - just connected to 5
[02:50] <SwedeMike> cgi: do you live in an apartment building, ie do you have neighbours with 2.4GHz wifis as well?
[02:50] <SwedeMike> that would explain your low 2.4GHz speed, as you should be able to get 50-80 megabit/s at least.
[02:51] <cgi> SwedeMike, I moved to 5 - need to redo the benchmark
[03:04] <dluxcru2> https://www.howtogeek.com/168164/move-files-into-one-directory-in-linux-with-find/ can someone explain what the move command params are doing here?
[03:10] <ExoUNX> what's the safe non-breaking way to update Ubuntu?
[03:10] <ExoUNX> update/upgrade spooks me
[03:11] <Bashing-om> ExoUNX: What about  "sudo apt upgrade" scares you ?
[03:13] <ExoUNX> Bashing-om seems to introduce minor version upgrades
[03:13] <SoItBegins> Are there going to be any problems if I divide my 500GB HDD in half: 250GB for Ubuntu (Ext4), and the other 250GB for a forthcoming Windows install (FAT320?
[03:13] <ExoUNX> instead of patch upgrades
[03:13] <SoItBegins> *(FAT32)
[03:13] <Bashing-om> !latest | ExoUNX
[03:15] <Bashing-om> ExoUNX: Untrue- once a release is frozen -- takes a minor miracle to up a package version in the release pocket.
[03:21] <dluxcru2>  https://www.howtogeek.com/168164/move-files-into-one-directory-in-linux-with-find/ I'm wanting to use a command like this, but I'm not clear on what the mv command is doing as far as it's arguments in this example do?
[04:23] <geri> hi, how can i icrement a variable in watch command?
[06:01] <cfhowlett> !ping
[06:01] <SoItBegins> pong.
[06:05] <Gerowin> !ping
[06:06] <SoItBegins> I’m OK, you’re OK.
[06:06] <Gerowin> Awww, i thought it was some kinda bot game or something
[06:06] <cfhowlett> no ubottu seems to be sleeping
[06:06] <SoItBegins> Nah, I’m not a bot. I don’t know if there’s a bot who responds to that here.
[06:38] <ppf_> geri mv moves the left hand filenames to the right hand filename or directory
[06:39] <ppf_> ah well, wrong and late
[06:52] <fling> Can I use zfs storage pool backend for a nested lxd?
[07:52] <bipul> Hello
[07:53] <SoItBegins> Hewwo.
[07:53] <bipul> I am getting this message https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZyBngJ2xS5/  , I have checked inside .bashrc and  .profile as well /etc/environment . Everything looks good.
[07:54] <bipul> Seems like PATH environmental variable is broken.
[10:25] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:03] <yvyz> Yolo Brolo
[11:05] <BluesKaj> yvyz o/
[11:05] <yvyz>            \o
[11:40] <eragera> Hello!, I need some help. I am getting a really weird `Connection Refused` issue on Chromium, on 19.04.
[11:41] <eragera> The issue is like so: I have 2 phones, they connect to the same wifi network. I am trying to load the http://socket.io webpage. On one phone it loads fine, on the other, I get a connection refused error. When I tether with the phone that's getting the error, on Windows I can load the webpage on Chrome fine, on Linux I cannot.
[11:42] <eragera> I can't even ping the page, it is 100% packet loss on Linux
[11:42] <_KaszpiR_> or dns problem
[11:42] <eragera> I have tried Google DNS and Cloudflare DNS, neither of them solved the issue. Both phones are running on the same DNS as well, but one loads the page and the other does not.
[11:43] <yvyz> ...
[11:43] <_KaszpiR_> try other browsers
[11:44] <_KaszpiR_> check it it's not a IPv6
[11:44] <eragera> I did check for ipv6, it does resolve to ipv4 just fine when I try to ping it, but I get 100% packet loss
[11:45] <eragera> I can confirm that my network can _load_ the page since it works on Windows just fine
[11:45] <_KaszpiR_> some sites do not respond to ping
[11:45] <eragera> It did on Windows.
[11:45] <_KaszpiR_> traceroute?
[11:45] <eragera> What's that
[11:46] <_KaszpiR_> helps to see how packets are routed from point A to point B, so for example from your laptop to the destination address (say, web server)
[11:46] <eragera> Also, a point I forgot to mention, when I tether with the other phone, it loads just fine on Linux too
[11:46] <_KaszpiR_> google mtr, there is linux and windows verison
[11:47] <eragera> It is only with my main phone that when I tether this weird thing happens
[11:48] <_KaszpiR_> maybe one device is fitered on wifi by admin
[11:48] <yvyz> Wait
[11:48] <yvyz> It works on one phone. But it doesnt work on the phone when you tether it another machine?
[11:48] <eragera> Lemme clear it up better.
[11:49] <yvyz> You need to make it clear what your setup is. You said its exactly alike but then you mention that it is not.
[11:49] <eragera> I have 2 phones, both connected to the same wifi. I can tether with both ones, one has a shorter wifi range due to being much older. The newer phone cannot resolve the webpage, the older one can.
[11:50] <eragera> Tethering the old one to my PC, whether on Windows or Linux, and trying to access the webpage, leads to the webpage being resolved normally
[11:50] <_KaszpiR_> what do you mean by thether?
[11:50] <yvyz> So your laptop is the issue
[11:50] <yvyz> ?
[11:50] <eragera> My laptop isn't a laptop but a PC, without wifi
[11:50] <eragera> I connect my phone to my wifi network and tether that to my PC to receive internet
[11:50] <yvyz> Running ubuntu?
[11:50] <_KaszpiR_> over the usb cable?
[11:50] <eragera> yes, 19.04
[11:50] <eragera> Yes
[11:51] <yvyz> Trace route the one that does not work
[11:51] <eragera> Alright, bear with me.
[11:51] <yvyz> Make sure your new phone is providing the correct dns to your machine.
[11:51] <eragera> How do I check?
[11:51] <yvyz> And verify that it itself is capable of seeing that webpage
[11:51] <yvyz> open terminal
[11:51] <yvyz> and use traceroute
[11:51] <eragera> The new phone itself is not capable of seing the webpage.
[11:51] <yvyz> or tracepath
[11:51] <_KaszpiR_> mtr under under linux, winmtr under windows (gotta install them anyway)
[11:51] <eragera> I tried on android chrome, it does not work
[11:51] <yvyz> well then it is not ubuntu is it
[11:52] <yvyz> So you have a configuration issue on your phone
[11:52] <eragera> As I said before, when I connect with the new phone, it works fine on Windows
[11:52] <eragera> but my dev environment is on Linux
[11:52] <yvyz> That does not matter
[11:52] <yvyz> Without tethering
[11:52] <yvyz> The new phone does not see the webpage?
[11:52] <eragera> It doesn't but Windows sees it when its tethered to the new phone over USB
[11:52] <eragera> Why is that?
[11:53] <yvyz> You need to solve the problem where it starts.
[11:53] <yvyz> And that is your phone
[11:53] <_KaszpiR_> or maybe your phone browser uses somekind of network proxy
[11:53] <yvyz> ^
[11:53] <eragera> Pinging should work still no?
[11:53] <_KaszpiR_> I suggest debugging down the TCP stack
[11:54] <eragera> I honestly don't know how to do that
[11:54] <eragera> But Ill try to traceroute it
[11:54] <_KaszpiR_> google, then
[11:54] <eragera> Gimme a moment
[11:54] <yvyz> At this point it could be solar flares
[11:54] <_KaszpiR_> :D
[11:54] <_KaszpiR_> usually it's custom config applied by user
[12:00] <eragera> I tried mtr on it
[12:00] <eragera> It refers back to ip6-localhost
[12:09] <_KaszpiR_> tadaaaa.... dns ;D
[12:10] <yvyz> bing boom bang
[12:41] <rigel_> hi! my (neighbour's) router is running a captive portal for apt/wget but not firefox/irssi (since i'm here). how do i get apt to update?
[12:42] <akem_> If you can have a VPN i guess it would go throught, otherwise i don't know.
[12:42] <Evissima> hello everyone, i'm a noob here and i'd really appreciate some help if you could help me. I have an issue with spotify on ubuntu 18.04.02, it plays the music but I can't hear it. I've tried the demo in settings to see if ubuntu detects the speakers and it actually does - i've tried looking on forums for similar issues but i can't seem to find a solution. can anyone help me pls?
[12:43] <rigel_> doing `curl -i www.ubuntu.com` yields https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mQYHzYMZF7/ But I can visit Ubuntu homepage on the browser just fine
[12:44] <rigel_> https://ubuntu.com takes curl to the actual homepage, though.
[12:44] <rigel_> (of ubuntu, not the router)
[12:45] <rigel_> Evissima: did you install spotify on ubuntu or are you listening through a browser?
[12:45] <Evissima> oh uhm I did install spotify directly on ubuntu
[12:45] <Evissima> I tried to use the web version but I can't log in anyways so
[12:46] <Evissima> I tried installing spotify on snap and then out of it and the results were the same
[12:47] <rigel_> so is it currently installed through a .deb package or a snap?
[12:48] <tomreyn> rigel_: apparently the captive portal only affects plain HTTP requests, not HTTPS requests, probably not other protocols. so you could either pick a http archive mirror which supports httpS, or one which supports other protocols, such as ftp.
[12:48] <Evissima> i think i uninstalled the snap version and i tried to install via deb package but it doesn't show on the apps menu so i actually don't know for sure
[12:49] <tomreyn> rigel_: alternatively, you could sign in on this (badly configured) captive portal, i guess.
[12:49] <rigel_> tomreyn: but isn't the whole thing about apt not needing to support httpS?
[12:50] <rigel_> the captive portal is the admin console. i don't have the credentials
[12:50] <tomreyn> rigel_: i don't understand "isn't the whole thing about apt not needing to support httpS?", can you clarify what you're asking?
[12:51] <rigel_> they used to recommend against using https in posts like this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/146108/how-to-use-https-with-apt-get
[12:52] <tomreyn> rigel_: maybe your neighbour doesn't actually want to share their connection with you? or if they do, maybe you could convince them to improve this rather unusual configuration?
[12:52] <rigel_> we're paying them. and for a non power user perspective all seems to work (since most of the background stuff is over ssl these days)
[12:53] <rigel_> and ubuntu main repo servers don't seem to work over https. gonna go look for some others
[12:54] <rigel_> tomreyn: and there's this whole site, btw https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/
[12:54] <tomreyn> rigel_: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#ubuntu_archivemirrors_https
[12:54] <rigel_> tomreyn: thanks! :-)
[12:55] <tomreyn> rigel_: both the askubuntu.com post you point to and this website explain why apt does not need to use https to be able to authenticate packages. but i don't see them recommending *against* using https, do i miss something?
[12:56] <rigel_> i suppose i was reading too much into it. but them not supporting https also leads one to that conclusion.
[12:59] <tomreyn> my understanding is that the only two reasons we don't have https everywhere on archive and iso image mirrors, yet, is (a) undisclosed pre TLS 1.3 test results from a while ago on the performance overhead, (b) the need to redesign the system and mirroring arhcitecture to introduce the change.
[12:59] <rigel_> and obviously the problem just fixed itself right now, while still using http. i have no idea what caused this or how to fix this, but thanks for riding along with me!
[13:00] <tomreyn> you could use a VPN if this keeps behaving erratically and interferes with your internet access.
[14:16] <leonardus> When I type "ff" it appears lower than the rest of the characters
[14:16] <leonardus> Example: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bvjq0tAR/image.png
[14:17] <OerHeks> no, an F should be lower than E and A
[14:17] <OerHeks> by design
[14:18] <OerHeks> check out all your fonts
[14:36] <coconut> Anyone knows whether the notification center of xfce can get configured to be clickable with url?
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: what are you trying to do?
[14:38] <coconut> pragmaticenigma: i am trying to make the notifications of firefox to get loaded from notification area
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> like toaster notifications?
[14:39] <coconut> sorry, i don't know what you mean
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> there are a million "notifications" methods... I'm trying to figure out what you are specifically referring to
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: Execute this in terminal, does this create a similar notification to what you want? 'notify-send "hello world"'
[14:43] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: If firefox is the source of the notification, the answer is there is not a way to customize those... if you just want to create your own notifications, you can use notify-send to do it. See "man notify-send" for more information
[15:08] <coconut> pragmaticenigma: sorry, took me some time to create a screenshot and crop it. This is what i mean to try getting clickable to firefox-> https://imgur.com/a/Jfa7Zg7
[15:39] <Aa155> Hey there fellas! Got a short question regarding Netplan and routes.
[15:40] <Aa155> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M4tZGvxF9Y/
[15:40] <Aa155> Sorry for the paste link, it's easier than writing it all down in a very long message.
[15:40] <Aa155> So basically, how the hecc do I get rid of the default 0 route?
[15:42] <tomreyn> Aa155: which ubuntu version is this?
[15:42] <tomreyn> 18.04.0, .1, .2?
[15:46] <tomreyn> use "ip route" rather than "route"
[15:50] <shinoda> Hello tomreyn if you remember me, I am the one that was having huge Xorg ram consumption issue. Seems I was wrong in my initial assesment. The RAM consumption did increase even without suspend but usually in slow increments. There is already a bug on launchpad in from 2014 where this occured in KDE + Xorg + Nvidia. Which apparently I qualify for. T
[15:50] <shinoda> he only fix that has worked for me is switching to Intel GPU instead of Nvidia from the Nvidia profiles. I also saw the output from xrestop and nothing was suspicious. Max memory was used by Kwin that was about 45M.
[15:52] <shinoda> So the fix for me is using Intel instead of Nvidia.
[16:01] <k_sze> If I did `adduser --system foo`, what's the correct way to turn foo into a full-fledged regular user?
[16:01] <k_sze> (I don't need a password though)
[16:01] <k_sze> I just need it to be able to login (via `sudo su`), with a shell.
[16:01] <xamithan> so change it's shell from /bin/false
[16:02] <k_sze> xamithan: you mean from /usr/sbin/nologin
[16:02] <xamithan> Sure
[16:02] <k_sze> In /etc/passwd, that's all I need, right?
[16:02] <xamithan> To make it a real user you'd need to change its uid and home dir though
[16:03] <xamithan> if all you need is a shell a usermod -s /bin/bash or whatever should work
[16:03] <tomreyn> shinoda: hi. using the intel gpu instead of the nvidia one may be a workaround, but i'd hardly call it a "fix". i'm not convinced that a 2014 bug report (unless it has constantly grown since) has anything to do with this issue you had on a newer ubuntu release.
[16:04] <tomreyn> shinoda: which bug did you look at?
[16:05] <shinoda> Sure. tomreyn I meant it as a workaround and not a fix. Here you go : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331-updates/+bug/1402551
[16:07] <tomreyn> shinoda: so... this is about ubuntu 12.04 (though it is also tagged "trusty", so 14.04, both have reached end-of-life since)
[16:08] <tomreyn> i expect that nvidia drivers will have changed somewhat since then, and surely ubuntu and the linux kernel have.
[16:08] <tomreyn> shinoda: which ubuntu version are you running there?
[16:09] <shinoda> Yes tomreyn I am aware. But I saw this issue is not unique to Ubuntu. I saw the same issue raised by several others on forums for centos, arch and all of them had KDE as their desktop environment. I am using 18.04.
[16:09] <tomreyn> shinoda: did you any recent reports on this, though, and where?
[16:10] <shinoda> tomreyn I will have to check my history. BRB.
[16:12] <shinoda> tomreyn this one is latest : https://forum.manjaro.org/t/xorg-progressively-uses-more-video-memory-the-longer-i-keep-my-computer-on/80234/21 others are 2 < years old.
[16:19] <tomreyn> shinoda: hmm, while most people seem to be referring to Xorg RAM allocation there, others seem to mix up RAM and VRAM there. i'm not even sure which of the two the nvidia-smi utility displays, do you know?
[16:21] <tomreyn> i suspect it shows VRAM.
[16:21] <shinoda> tomreyn I am not sure. But I am sure that I am talking consupmtion of RAM and not VRAM.
[16:22] <OerHeks> do a memtest86 run
[16:22] <OerHeks> and check your logs, the size of a log can tell something
[16:24] <shinoda> ls
[16:24] <shinoda> LOL
[16:25] <tomreyn> shinoda: i think it'd be good if you filed a bug report about this, since you're affected and can reproduce. while using the nvidia grpahics card, run: ubuntu-bug xserver-org
[16:25] <shinoda> tomreyn Ok sure.
[16:26] <shinoda> tomreyn Should I wait till the memory reaches the peak or just do it once on fresh boot and once after ?
[16:27] <tomreyn> shinoda: i'd say wait until it reaches an unexpectedly high value (maybe >200 MB while you have no applications running)
[16:28] <shinoda> tomreyn I really don't think it will increase if its put to idle. I have to keep using it to increase the Xorg's consumption.
[16:29] <tomreyn> shinoda: and if you close applications it will decrease to low values again?
[16:29] <shinoda> tomreyn Nope. If it reaches a value it doesn't come down. It only goes up.
[16:31] <tomreyn> so drive Xorg RSZ up to >200 MB, then close all graphical applications, then file the bug report.
[16:31] <shinoda> tomreyn Noted. Thank you.
[16:33] <tomreyn> what you're reporting is a supected memory leak which is specific to the proprietary nvidia driver and kde
[16:33] <tomreyn> (so that's soemthing you could write when reporting the bug)
[16:34] <Aa155> @tomreyn, sorry had to run due to the storm. It's 18.04.2. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FN3Rg8ZgQD/
[16:38] <shinoda> tomreyn Sorry I missed what you said. I am on Nvidia now.
[16:40] <ryahi_skaprinav>  My 32GB pendrive is only showing 64MB of space. Output of lsblk - http://dpaste.com/0048STB
 what you're reporting is a supected memory leak which is specific to the proprietary nvidia driver and kde (so that's something you could write when reporting the bug)
[16:40] <tomreyn> shinoda: ^
[16:41] <tomreyn> Aa155: hmm so those two default routes are both automatically created by netplan? can you post your full netplan configuration?
[16:42] <OerHeks> ryahi_skaprinav, format it again, else return to vendor
[16:43] <tomreyn> ryahi_skaprinav: lsblk is primarily useful to inspect partitions. don't use it to inspect properties of physical storages, use fdisk -l or parted -ls for this
[16:43] <ryahi_skaprinav> OerHeks: the space is already unallocated.
[16:44] <tomreyn> also hdparm, nvme (if it's an nvme storage)
[16:44] <ryahi_skaprinav> tomreyn: output of fdisk -l : http://dpaste.com/1D32F4A
[16:44] <Aa155> @tomreyn, mind if I pm it to you? It takes insane amount of time for me to copy paste by hand (thanks Hyper-V for not having clipboard share) and I cannot SSH either unless I disable the internal/local network.
[16:44] <ryahi_skaprinav> tomreyn: no, it's a pendrive
[16:47] <tomreyn> ryahi_skaprinav: sudo hdparm -I /dev/sdb | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:48] <ryahi_skaprinav> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/bryb
[16:48] <tomreyn> !pastebin | Aa155: you can use a pastebin service, too (but if you consider this sensitive info, it's ok to PM)
[16:49] <tomreyn> ryahi_skaprinav: i guess you can tell by yourself this looks broken
[16:49] <tomreyn> ryahi_skaprinav: do you have another computer which you can attach it to?
[16:49] <Aa155> yea I know pastebin, but I cannot pastebin from the VM.. there is no internet on it, there is no SSH to go to it, I can only literally copy paste it by hand
[16:49] <ryahi_skaprinav> tomreyn: yes can see the broken parts and i have tried to connect to various pc
[16:49] <Aa155> But sure... sure... your help is much appreciated, I guess I'll just like transcend to some kind of next mental plane once I finish copying out 30 lines :D
[16:50] <shinoda> tomreyn sure.
[16:50] <tomreyn> Aa155: you can just remove the wrong default gateway and then you have an internet connection, don't you?
[16:50] <Aa155> like with route del?
[16:51] <Aa155> but how do I add that to Netplan's config? I did see similar in Hetzner's config with "ifup", they use like "post if-up" and add routes... I guess that could work. But how do I into that with Netplan? Oo
[16:52] <ryahi_skaprinav> tomreyn: thanks for the help
[16:52] <OerHeks> maybe these examples shine a light.. https://netplan.io/examples
[16:52] <tomreyn> Aa155: i'm not discussing how to permanently fix this right now, just to temporarily enable you to post something to the internet for now, so you can share our netplan configuration. once i've seen this we can then discuss how to permanently fix it.
[16:52] <tomreyn> Aa155: https://askubuntu.com/questions/547018/how-do-i-delete-an-entry-in-ip-route-list
[16:53] <tomreyn> ryahi_skaprinav: so it was also not working reliably on other computers?
[16:53] <Aa155> sure, imma copy it out. :D @OerHeks trust me I read 'em all... read em and weep
[16:53] <ryahi_skaprinav> tomreyn: no it's not working at all. I can't even create a partition table on it.
[16:53] <tomreyn> ryahi_skaprinav: then it's indeed "return to sender"
[16:54] <ryahi_skaprinav> tomreyn: yup agreed
[16:55] <Aa155> @tomreyn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p2P65FBw3B/
[16:56] <tomreyn> Aa155: is there a reason to have a semicolon followed by a colon on the "routes" line?
[16:56] <OerHeks> dhcp4: yes
[16:56] <jmnoz> Hi can anyone help me upgrade my postgresql, I installed version 11 and now I can't access my database
[16:56] <OerHeks> not true
[16:56] <coconut> Anyone knows how to make these topics in notification area clickable so that these load in firefox(where most come from in the first place)? https://imgur.com/a/Jfa7Zg7
[16:56] <Aa155> @oerhe
[16:56] <Aa155> @OerHeks, you can use true, false, no, yes, they are all accepted... don't ask me why is it like that
[16:57] <Aa155> @tomreyn, that was just a copy-paste mistake, I am sorry, had to write it with hand
[16:57] <Aa155> it's not present in the active config, 'netconfig apply' runs without fault
[16:58] <OerHeks> netplan is all about correct annotation> ameservers:        addresses: [ <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:58] <Aa155> if I remove the gateway4 directive from the static interface (so local only), I can ping internet again, but, I cannot reach the host/gateway once again. So I am kinda in the same position, just now I have internet, and no local share. :D
[16:58] <Aa155> @OerHeks, yea tbh the local interface don't even need the nameservers directives, but you can also specify them this or that way. it seems to have two kind of ways to do anything...
[16:59] <Aa155> maybe I should just move to ifup? thought I'd "progress" since I guess Ubuntu would like keep using netplan in future releases too
[17:00] <tomreyn> Aa155: indentation matters, too, i think.
[17:00] <blackflow> Aa155: netplan is just yaml abstraction for a backend. you can always use the backend (networkd or NM) directly.
[17:00] <tomreyn> Aa155: and yes, i agree you'll most likely want to remove the gateway4 line
[17:00] <blackflow> (as in, netplan per se doesn't do anything but configure something else)
[17:01] <Aa155> @tomreyn, yea I know, I had plenty of errors due to one missing space or whatnot, but luckily both "apply" and "try" will tell you what you messed up. I mean if I remove the gateway, then I have no local network again -> I can't reach my share again.
[17:01] <tomreyn> the generated systemd-networkd configuration should be somewhere in /run/
[17:02] <Aa155> found some guide online (had around 50+ google searches by now?) that mentioned the /run/ thing
[17:02] <Aa155> but that looked clean/neat
[17:03] <tomreyn> but your network share is on the <IP_ADDRESS>-255 network?
[17:04] <Aa155> the network share is the virt server itself, it's present on <IP_ADDRESS>, and I just want to reach a share really
[17:05] <Aa155> I tried using Vmware locally as a test, with shared folders, but even just a traffic of like 10M/s peaked my 4.5ghz CPU to like 80% on all cores
[17:05] <Aa155> ie.: cifs/samba would be much more suitable... well, if I could somehow configure two network interfaces up, lol
[17:05] <Aa155> I mean it's okay, ifup will do the job too, just wanted to like... you know, learn a bit. who knows, maybe netplan is the future, then it can't hurt to know more about it.
[17:06] <tomreyn> but does your virtualization make services running on the host system available to the guests network?
[17:06] <tomreyn> well i guess you already confirmed it does
[17:06] <Aa155> yea yea, it works beautiful normally
[17:06] <Aa155> but the problem is, I want to run the company VPN (which re-routes internet) on the main interface
[17:06] <Aa155> so then, I cannot ping / reach the host from there
[17:06] <Aa155> so I need a second card
[17:07] <Aa155> its'... "fun"... (:
[17:07] <Aa155> thanks for the help by the way, much appreciated
[17:07] <Aa155> guess this time I'll go to sleep with Mr. Poettering's grinning face. ;_;
[17:07] <odt> anyone know how to disable ubuntu dpms stuff while virtio is in use?
[17:14] <tomreyn> Aa155: so IMO you should not have any of these static routes. if reaching the network share at <IP_ADDRESS> does really not work without any static reoutes (and both interfaces up), try adding this (\n designates a newline) for eth0: - to: <IP_ADDRESS>/32\nvia:<IP_ADDRESS>\non-link: true
[17:17] <tomreyn> i.e. try without any static routes, without any static gateway4, first of all.
[17:20] <Aa155> then there is internet but no local network/route
[17:21] <Aa155> ie.: can't access server+share
[17:21] <Aa155> the devil's trap
[17:24] <tomreyn> even after you add this hacky static route?
[17:38] <Aa155> @tomreyn, yea... now trying ifup lol
[17:38] <Aa155> oh man, why this hefff to be so hard. :D
[17:46] <e-i-k-e> can someone let me know why my systemd (user) unit is not executed until i login via tty?
[17:46] <e-i-k-e> https://zerobin.net/?0cc4ee4dcabdafe0#cgfvuwAG34hVMAqjxnmrWOXN6aBGpFWQTyv/FWTBwcI=
[17:50] <tomreyn> because that's how systemd user units work (only start after login), unless you have lingering enabled (sudo loginctl enable-linger $USER)
[17:54] <alienz> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Valve-Dropping-Official-Ubuntu
[17:54] <e-i-k-e> tomreyn: okay, thank you for clarifying this
[17:56] <OerHeks> valve should provide a 64 bit steam client, grinn
[18:00] <alienz> https://pics.me.me/is-%E5%90%88-when-you-use-arch-linux-and-you-havent-2560218.png
[18:02] <OerHeks> not going to click that, looks like #offtopic
[18:04] <alienz> it is, but funny )
[18:05] <coconut> alienz: you might not know, but this is not a channel where you can just paste url's you like.
[18:05] <alienz> where i can? )
[18:05] <mindofmateo> How can I tell what is preventing me from SSHing into a remote server?
[18:05] <coconut> #ubuntu-offtopic is an example
[18:05] <alienz> ok, thanks and sorry )
[18:06] <OerHeks> ssh -vvv tells a lot about route
[18:07] <hggdh> mindofmateo: and look for the error messages when you try. We need to know what they say
[18:08] <slicktux> Hello all, I am trying to pair to my Beats Bluetooth Headphones; Problem is there are dozens of bluetooth devices in my circumference and I am not able to destinguish my device by name when scanning; I only see MAC addresses and I do not know the MAC for my deice. :/
[18:09] <slicktux> Is there any list or package that can be installed to help my computer identify device by name?
[18:09] <mindofmateo>  termbin.com/koxy This is what it outputs when I use `ssh -vvv` after that it just hangs.
[18:11] <tds> mindofmateo: are you able to access any other services on the same server (eg even just ping it)? can you ssh in ok from other networks?
[18:13] <mindofmateo> Oh, I thought I could, but pinging the server times out.
[18:16] <hggdh> mindofmateo: ping uses ICMP by default; most firewall implementations block ICMP traffic. But it seems your access to the target at port 22 is also being blocked, either locally or remote
[18:21] <mindofmateo> thank you
[18:32] <qwebirc48745_> Hi
[18:33] <qwebirc48745_> I started
[18:46] <Gallomimia> wow. what's wrong with the bluetooth settings panel?
[18:47] <Gallomimia> ...... has its author actually used bluetooth?
[18:47] <OerHeks> .... have you?
[18:48] <Gallomimia> no because i can't seem to turn bluetooth on
[18:49] <Gallomimia> the only effect the control has is to turn on airplane mode
[18:49] <TJ-> Gallomimia: sounds like a firmware rfkill control issue
[18:50] <Gallomimia> i'm sorry a what?
[18:50] <Gallomimia> also it's just a dongle i plugged in
[18:50] <jeremy31> Gallomimia: Post URL from terminal after> lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:51] <jeremy31> Probably Cambridge Radio bluetooth
[18:51] <Gallomimia> it's edirol
[18:51] <Gallomimia> https://termbin.com/pnvd3
[18:52] <jeremy31> Gallomimia: rfkill list | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:53] <Gallomimia> 1: hci0: Bluetooth
[18:53] <Gallomimia> hard and soft blocked no
[18:54] <Gallomimia> sorry i got a game running not easy to chat here
[18:55] <OerHeks> set priorities
[18:55] <OerHeks> grinn
[18:56] <jeremy31> Gallomimia:  Try> echo -e 'power on\nquit' | bluetoothctl
[18:56] <Gallomimia> uh. i did?
[18:56] <Gallomimia> No default controller available
[18:57] <Gallomimia> wonder if it needs a driver
[18:57] <jeremy31> Gallomimia: I have one plugged in now with the same ID in lsusb
[18:58] <TJ-> missing firmware?
[18:58] <jeremy31> They have worked fine since Ubuntu 14.04, except for losing them
[18:58] <Gallomimia> yes! same problem
[18:58] <Gallomimia> bloody meth heads.....
[18:59] <jeremy31> There is firmware for it but I only needed the firmware for HSP/HFP in 16.04
[19:00] <TJ-> Gallomimia: what is the actual problem? you said you cannot turn it on but it turns off, which implies it was already 'on'
[19:02] <Gallomimia> it never shows me any option besides "hey turn it on so you can use it"
[19:02] <Gallomimia> if i click that control in the top right, the big green switch, it just turns on airplane mode
[19:02] <Gallomimia> which sucks cause this is a desktop. it'll never be on an airplane
[19:03] <TJ-> Gallomimia: which Ubuntu release, and which desktop environment are you using?
[19:04] <Gallomimia> vanilla 19.04
[19:04] <Gallomimia> it's gnome right?
[19:05] <TJ-> Gallomimia: Yes
[19:05] <TJ-> Gallomimia: it might be useful to installe "blueman" it gives more visibility into things, from GUI
[19:06] <jeremy31> Gallomimia: > dmesg | grep BCM | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:06] <Gallomimia> sweet it'll play blueman group?
[19:09] <jeremy31> blueman is a nice bluetooth manager
[19:18] <Gallomimia> blueman seems to give the same result. hey it's not going to work till you turn it on!
[19:19] <Gallomimia> so uh... turn it on?
[19:19] <TJ-> Gallomimia: so lets see the full kernel log, "nc termbin.com 9999 < <( dmesg )"
[19:24] <Gallomimia> right after plugging it in/
[19:25] <Gallomimia> https://termbin.com/cp0n
[19:25] <Gallomimia> wish i could read what it says.....
[19:25] <Gallomimia> that's a lot of discord errors....
[19:27] <Gallomimia> eighty three thousand callback suppressed
[19:27] <Gallomimia> suddenly i want to fix that instead of bluetooth
[19:27] <TJ-> urghh! what the heck is it doing trying to ptrace?
[19:27] <Gallomimia> that sure is a nasty snapper
[19:27] <jeremy31> Gallomimia: remove the discord snap
[19:28] <TJ-> urgh, just... urgh
[19:28] <Gallomimia> i'm really skeptical about the benefit of these "snaps" these days
[19:29] <Gallomimia> why does it populate my mount -l so badly
[19:29] <Gallomimia> it's totally new to me. i haven't used ubuntu since 16.04
[19:29] <TJ-> Gallomimia: 'these days' ? From the start it's been an awful kludge in practice, no matter how fine it sounds in principle
[19:29] <tomreyn> https://snapcraft.io/discord vs https://snapcraft.io/discord-bartixxx
[19:30] <Gallomimia> yeah maybe you can point me to those principles? i'd like to read about it
[19:30] <Gallomimia> sounds like disk images and systemd had a baby with horns
[19:30] <TJ-> Gallomimia: the principle is security confinement and using its own libraries rather than system libraries
[19:31] <Gallomimia> what is this tomreyn?
[19:31] <Gallomimia> a better maintained snap?
[19:31] <TJ-> Gallomimia: but then it had/has to grow a mediated "API* to allow access to system resources, or run unconfined
[19:31] <Gallomimia> oh yeah.
[19:31] <tomreyn> Gallomimia: those are the pages of the snaps which present themselves as being "Discord"
[19:31] <Gallomimia> like putting up a firewall to protect a nuclear plant, then giving a contractor a hardline to both sides of the firewall?
[19:32] <Gallomimia> and then letting the slammer worm attack safety management systems
[19:32] <TJ-> Gallomimia: and avoiding all the health and safety steps the distro package mantainers enforce
[19:32] <Gallomimia> if only something bad like that had happened to let us all know why to not do that....
[19:33] <Gallomimia> okay well. before going any further, i'm going to reboot.
[19:37] <Gallomimia> blueman assistant : no adapter's found
[19:38] <Gallomimia> but at least it's showing up in my menu bar
[19:38] <Gallomimia> whoops. it's not edimax. it's kinovo
[19:38] <TJ-> It's Broadcom
[19:38] <TJ-> Gallomimia: from your lsusb "0a5c:21e8 Broadcom Corp. BCM20702A0 Bluetooth 4.0"
[19:39] <Gallomimia> oh noooooooooo
[19:39] <jeremy31> Gallomimia: > dmesg | grep BCM | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:39] <Gallomimia>   246.473248] Bluetooth: hci0: BCM: Reset failed (-110)
[19:40] <TJ-> Gallomimia: is it plugged into a USB3 or USB2 port?
[19:40] <Gallomimia> 3
[19:40] <Gallomimia> on the front. shall i move?
[19:40] <TJ-> Gallomimia: try a 2
[19:40] <TJ-> (no-blue tab)
[19:41] <Gallomimia> if it's got a broadcomm chip in it, it's going back. just on principle
[19:41] <TJ-> :)
[19:41] <Gallomimia> something's working
[19:42] <Gallomimia> blueman is lighting up with options
[19:42] <TJ-> there we go
[19:42] <jeremy31> No you have to return it
[19:42] <Gallomimia> i think so too
[19:42] <TJ-> Gallomimia: so there's some problem with the systems' USB3<>2 handover
[19:42] <Gallomimia> amazon return policy will sort out that corporate crap
[19:42] <Gallomimia> TJ-, also the AMD iommu on my mobo is a pile of horse manure
[19:43] <Gallomimia> such problems getting a keyboard to work thru the bios boot, into grub, and then thru to actual kernel boot
[19:43] <jeremy31> Gallomimia: The only other chipset used in USB bluetooth dongles is CSR and only a few seem to work in Linux, they all use the same USB ID and that makes them a pain
[19:44] <TJ-> So far I've been lucky and not been able to cause a USB3/2 issue, and that's very unusual for me - I'm usually THE bug magnet
[19:44] <Gallomimia> this motherboard is the bane of my existence
[19:44] <TJ-> There's Intel BT too
[19:44] <Gallomimia> can't we all just get along and open our sourcecode?
[19:45] <Gallomimia> i'm soooo tired of corporate entities and IP lawyers screwing up the world of computer science
[19:45] <TJ-> Gallomimia: well this issue has been due to the USB host controllers sharing ports; there may be clues in the kernel log to correct it
[19:46] <jeremy31> TJ, Intel, Atheros, and Realtek have bluetooth, but they are usually found onboard a wifi chipset
[19:46] <Gallomimia> my laptop has a broadcomm chip too. it works with wifi but not bluetooth.
[19:46] <Gallomimia> dual purpose device
[19:47] <Gallomimia> of course right now nothing works cause it won't even finish the boot sequence
[19:47] <Gallomimia> i suspect a borked fan. 9y old laptop now tho
[19:47] <jeremy31> Gallomimia: If it has a bluetooth device, it is likely missing bluetooth firmware in the laptop install
[19:47] <qwebirc85677> I need help with openvpn and network routing. Is this the right place?
[19:47] <Gallomimia> qwebirc85677, are you using ubuntu?
[19:47] <qwebirc85677> yes.
[19:48] <Gallomimia> then yes. tho that topic is pretty specialized
[19:48] <qwebirc85677> I'm trying to host openvpn server and mysql on the same server. client can connect, but connection to mysql times out
[19:48] <qwebirc85677> I can see with tcpdump that the traffic makes it to the server, but can't tell what happens next
[19:48] <Gallomimia> client is another machine?
[19:48] <qwebirc85677> yes
[19:49] <qwebirc85677> ufw allows all traffic on tun0, no blocks in logs
[19:49] <Gallomimia> sounds like it fails to use the vpn connection. routing table priority
[19:49] <qwebirc85677> you mean for return traffic?
[19:49] <qwebirc85677> but it's on the same subnet, I would assume it would return over tun adapter?
[19:49] <Gallomimia> well, for the mysql port
[19:50] <TJ-> qwebirc85677: what interfaces/address(es) is mysql binding to?
[19:50] <Gallomimia> like, perhaps the client binds to the wrong network interface for mysl
[19:50] <qwebirc85677> it binds to all
[19:50] <Gallomimia> that's an issue
[19:51] <qwebirc85677> not if ufw blocks public access
[19:51] <Gallomimia> then it defaults to the public interface and gets no connections at all
[19:51] <qwebirc85677> docs say it binds to all interfaces
[19:51] <Gallomimia> fix so it binds to your tunnel only
[19:52] <TJ-> qwebirc85677: how do you try to connect to mysql using the client? using an IP address?
[19:52] <qwebirc85677> yes
[19:52] <TJ-> qwebirc85677: what interface does the IP address belong to?
[19:52] <qwebirc85677> tun0
[19:53] <TJ-> qwebirc85677: does mysql service starte *before* openvpn tunnel? if so, mysql may not be bound to tun0
[19:53] <qwebirc85677> Irestarted in various orders
[19:54] <TJ-> qwebirc85677: in theory a bind to ::0 should work with all newly appearing interfaces, but if mysql binds to interfaces that could be an issue
[19:54] <TJ-> qwebirc85677: can the client connect via SSH through the tunnel?
[19:54] <TJ-> qwebirc85677: if not, it'd point to a general tunneling issue
[19:56] <qwebirc85677> will test ssh
[20:01] <qwebirc85677> ssh works over VPN IP
[20:02] <qwebirc85677> so must be issue with mysql?
[20:04] <qwebirc85677> startup log of mysql here, showing listening on all: https://pastebin.com/sUh0DWDe
[20:04] <Gallomimia> bind it to the vpn
[20:05] <qwebirc85677> k
[20:09] <qwebirc85677> I bound it to vpn IP. log shows it is bound correctly, but still times out from client
[20:09] <qwebirc85677> localhost mysql client does not time out
[20:12] <qwebirc85677> my next thought is to crank up mysql log verbosity
[20:14] <Sefid_par> Hello. I have granted +s permission to a root:root file. but when I run it as normal user, it asks for sudo password.
[20:15] <Sefid_par> the file permission is as '-rwsr-xr-x 1 sefid users'
[20:16] <Sefid_par> I need to run the command by normal user to be ran as root user
[20:16] <TJ-> qwebirc85677: is mysql configured to allow connections from other than user@localhost ?
[20:18] <qwebirc85677> yes. this user was working over public IP before I blocked in ufw
[20:18] <blackflow> Sefid_par: then the file must be owned by root, and don't use sudo
[20:18] <TJ-> qwebirc85677: does the connection get refused, or just time out?
[20:18] <qwebirc85677> times out
[20:18] <qwebirc85677> so mysql log didn't help
[20:19] <TJ-> qwebirc85677: I suspect there's some forwarding going on for the arriving packets
[20:19] <qwebirc85677> yes there is, but why would ssh work and not mysql
[20:19] <qwebirc85677> I have tried it with and without the masqueraded nat forwarding
[20:22] <TJ-> qwebirc85677: without seeing all the applied rules hard to guess
[20:22] <TJ-> qwebirc85677: if you can pastebin "iptables-save" we might spot something
[20:24] <qwebirc85677> ... oh geez. I think I found it
[20:25] <qwebirc85677> my ufw rule to block mysql seems to block on all interfaces **facepalm**
[20:29] <qwebirc85677> it's working now. thanks for help!
[20:32] <TJ-> lol yay!
[20:33] <TJ-> helps to look at the detail :)
[20:56] <rebab> How do I fix "Error: attempt to read or write outside hd0" error? I can't boot my pc.
[21:09] <TJ-> rebab: if power went off it suggests disk corruption
[21:09] <Gallomimia> does that mean he needs to run fsck?
[21:09] <TJ-> rebab: if power went off it suggests disk corruption
[21:09] <TJ-> ooops
[21:10] <TJ-> rebab: you're curerntly booted to the Xubuntu live ISO, yes?
[21:10] <rebab> Yes with a USB stick.
[21:10] <TJ-> rebab: OK, let's collect some info, run these commands; they'll paste info to a pastebin and you can give us the URL
[21:11] <TJ-> rebab: start with "sudo apt install pastebinit"
[21:11] <TJ-> rebab: then "pastebinit <( lsblk; sudo blkid /dev/sd* )"
[21:16] <rebab> TJ-: Funny fact: Pastebin blocked in my country.  Ubuntu Paste: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VH5BDWjNRH/
[21:18] <TJ-> rebab: so /dev/sda1 is the installed system. Let's create a 'chroot' so we can work inside it. start with "sudo -i"
[21:18] <TJ-> rebab: then "mkdir /target; mount /dev/sda1 /target"
[21:19] <TJ-> rebab: if no errors reported, let's drop the automount "udisksctl unmount -b /dev/sda1"
[21:19] <TJ-> rebab: if still no errors: "for n in proc sys dev etc/resolv.conf; do mount --rbind /$n /target/$n; done"
[21:28] <Gallomimia> what kind of country blocks pastebin!?
[21:29] <TJ-> several, in this case, Turkey
[21:35] <TJ-> hhhm, looks like rebab disappeared
[21:49] <CoffeeCattle> is there any way to have a folder that when I drag files on it will only place sysmlinks of those files
[21:49] <cortexman> I have noticed that the emacs and emacs-nox packages in Ubuntu are all empty, except on the very latest release (disco)
[21:50] <cortexman> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/emacs/filelist
[21:51] <rebab> TJ-: Sorry I've booted again.
[21:52] <Gallomimia> is there a way to trigger alternative actions to dragging things into a folder?
[21:52] <Gallomimia> i don't know...
[21:52] <Gallomimia> an uncommon request for sure. but you'd think customizing linux would be a thing
[21:53] <CoffeeCattle> I want like a files basket when I can throw a bunch of files I'm currently working on there to just focus on them
[21:54] <Gallomimia> but still leave them in their proper spot
[21:54] <Gallomimia> a neat idea
[21:54] <CoffeeCattle> yeah, like playlists for files
[21:54] <Gallomimia> kind of like smart folders
[21:54] <CoffeeCattle> yeah
[21:54] <rebab> TJ-: Still here?
[21:55] <Gallomimia> he was. he noted that you disappeared tho
[21:56] <Bashing-om> rebab: Did you follow "16:19 < TJ-> rebab: if still no errors: "for n in proc sys dev etc/resolv.conf; do mount --rbind /$n /target/$n; done" " ?
[21:57] <rebab> Bashing-om: I've lost chat history. I don't have a IRC client right now.
[21:57] <cortexman>  I have noticed that the emacs and emacs-nox packages in Ubuntu are all empty, except on the very latest release (disco) https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/emacs/filelist
[21:58] <Gallomimia> CoffeeCattle, i suggest you post a feature request. seems like a somewhat fundamental feature to a highly customizable OS
[21:58] <rebab> Bashing-om: Only remember "sudo -i" the first command.
[21:58] <OerHeks> cortexman, try emacs24 ?
[21:58] <Bashing-om> rebab: The point is if you are presently in that change root environment as directed by TJ- .
[21:59] <Gallomimia> only those 4 rbind's? i thought there was 5
[21:59] <OerHeks> or look for a ppa, emacs25 and 26 https://launchpad.net/~kelleyk/+archive/ubuntu/emacs
[22:02] <rebab> Yes, what is the next command? Sorry, as a newbie it's hard to understand this process.
[22:02] <cortexman> OerHeks: that is not the paradigm for installing emacs on ubuntu.
[22:02] <cortexman> I have noticed that the emacs and emacs-nox packages in Ubuntu are all empty, except on the very latest release (disco) https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/emacs/filelist
[22:10] <OerHeks> no clue about that, but there is: sudo snap install emacs --classic https://snapcraft.io/emacs
[22:10] <Bashing-om> rebab: What shows ' mount ' - in a pastebin site  . So we know where you are in the file system.
[22:11] <cortexman> The metapackage seems to have no consequence on the status of emacs on my system
[22:12] <cortexman> ie install / remove doesn't influence emacs-25
[22:12] <cortexman> *emacs-26
[22:12] <rebab> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NjhT6dPD93/
[22:17] <Bashing-om> rebab: We best wait for TJ- ; as I do not understand how sdb1 is mounted (uhelper=udisks2).
[22:17] <rebab> Bashing-om: Okay.
[22:17] <ceed^> j/ #hexchat
[22:25] <TJ-> I'm back; rebab, what step did you do last?
[22:25] <rebab> "sudo -i"
[22:25] <TJ-> rebab: then "mkdir /target; mount /dev/sda1 /target"
[22:26] <rebab> TJ-: I have only 4 gb free space is it a problem?
[22:26] <TJ-> rebab: free space on disk, or memory RAM ?
[22:26] <rebab> TJ-: on disk 445/450 GB I guess.
[22:27] <rebab> %99
[22:27] <TJ-> rebab: we don't additional need disk space
[22:27] <TJ-> rebab: we'd best check the partition is still where it was earlier if you've rebooted
[22:28] <rebab> *99%
[22:28] <TJ-> rebab: "apt install pastebinit" then "pastebinit <( lsblk )"
[22:28] <rebab> TJ-: Okay.
[22:28] <Gallomimia> 4 gigs is LOTS
[22:29] <rebab> "mount: /target: /dev/sda1 already mounted on /cdrom."
[22:30] <rebab> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NtJhnkvMj4/
[22:31] <rebab> TJ-: Also: "mount: /target: /dev/sda1 already mounted on /cdrom."
[22:33] <TJ-> rebab: good job we checked; the device names have changed and sda is now the USB installer!
[22:34] <TJ-> rebab: just in case that has mounted, do "umount /target" - if it isn't mounted there it'll report and error that you can ignore
[22:34] <TJ-> rebab: then: "udisksctl unmount -b /dev/sdb1"
[22:35] <TJ-> rebab: then "mount /dev/sdb1 /target"
[22:35] <TJ-> rebab: then "for n in proc sys dev etc/resolv.conf; do mount --rbind /$n /target/$n; done"
[22:35] <rebab> TJ-: "Error unmounting /dev/sdb1: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Error.DeviceBusy: Error unmounting /dev/sdb1: target is busy"
[22:36] <TJ-> rebab: have you got a file explorer window open showing the contents, or some terminal shell with its current directory inside "/media/xubuntu/05120e19-b4fb-482f-846e-cc55eb9c" ?
[22:37] <rebab> TJ-: Yes.
[22:38] <TJ-> rebab: you need to close the explorer window that is showing the contents, or navigate to a parent directory outside that mount
[22:40] <rebab> TJ-: Okay, no errors.
[22:41] <TJ-> rebab: right,do the  2 commands after that I gave you
[22:41] <rebab> TJ-: I did.
[22:42] <TJ-> rebab: so now you should be ready to enter the chroot. Just in case, lets' see some info to confirm that: "pastebinit <( lsblk; mount )"
[22:43] <rebab> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8Q3DhK33n2/
[22:44] <TJ-> rebab: looks good :) now enter the broken system with "chroot /target"  -- you're now the root user in the broken install
[22:45] <rebab> TJ-: "chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: Input/output error"
[22:45] <TJ-> rebab: ouch!
[22:45] <TJ-> rebab: "pastebinit <( dmesg | tail -n 100 )"
[22:46] <rebab> TJ-: By the way same problem here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/311925/how-can-i-fix-error-hd0-out-of-disk
[22:46] <rebab> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gdhwxQjFky/
[22:47] <TJ-> rebab: OW! Bad news most likely, disk has failed
[22:48] <TJ-> rebab: "for n in etc/resolv.conf dev sys proc; do umount /target/$n; done"
[22:48] <TJ-> rebab: "umount /target"
[22:48] <rebab> TJ-: umount: /target/dev: target is busy.
[22:48] <rebab> TJ-: all busy.
[22:49] <TJ-> rebab: hmmm, the chroot failed so you must be outside the chroot itself
[22:50] <TJ-> rebab: try "umount -R /target/"
[22:50] <rebab> TJ-: umount: /target/proc: target is busy.
[22:51] <TJ-> rebab: try "exit" ... are you still at a root # prompt after that, or does the prompt become $  ?
[22:52] <rebab> TJ-: It's root #
[22:52] <TJ-> oh, so the chroot worked but then the command failed somehow!
[22:52] <TJ-> re-run the command now :)
[22:52] <rebab> TJ-: on Root? And which command?
[22:53] <TJ-> rebab: "umount -R /target"
[22:53] <rebab> TJ-: $ or #?
[22:53] <TJ-> rebab: you've lost me now :D
[22:53] <TJ-> rebab: I assumed from what you said, the current prompt is a #
[22:53] <rebab> Yes It's #.
[22:54] <rebab> TJ-: umount: /target/proc: target is busy.
[22:54] <TJ-> rebab: goood, so you're still the root user, but should be root in the live environment not the broken system
[22:54] <TJ-> rebab: oh well, not a lot we can do about it, the system is broken
[22:54] <TJ-> rebab: "sd 0:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed"
[22:54] <TJ-> rebab: ^^^ that means the disk has been damaged and cannot recover
[22:55] <rebab> TJ-: What can we do about it?
[22:55] <TJ-> rebab: get a new disk
[22:56] <rebab> TJ-: You mean reinstall xubuntu?
[22:56] <TJ-> rebab: on a new disk, yes. That disk is damaged and cannot recover
[22:57] <TJ-> rebab: something bad happened when the system lost power
[22:57] <rebab> TJ-: What about my personal files?
[22:58] <TJ-> rebab: they might be recoverable but it is hard to know; if the disk keeps on reporting read errors like the log shows
[22:59] <rebab> I'll reboot. Can't see anything on Terminal right now.
[22:59] <TJ-> rebab: the best thing to do is turn the power off and remove the disk drive so it isn't spinning. Get another disk at least as big as that one, then it *may* be possible using "ddrescue" to copy some parts of the damaged disk to the new disk, and possibly salvage data, but there is no guaranee
[23:01] <Gallomimia> two things: if it wasn't backed up, i guess it wasn't that important to you. second...
[23:01] <Gallomimia> if you put the drive in the freezer, inside a zip up bag, you might be able to get a minute or two of life out of it to recover the files. maybe not. that's only if its the bearings
[23:02] <TJ-> user has gone
[23:02] <Gallomimia> oh darn
[23:02] <TJ-> won't be bearings - this happened after a power failure - I'm betting it is an old drive and there's been heads-meet-platter damage
[23:03] <TJ-> if it were just logical data errors the drive sense would be fine
[23:04] <TJ-> may be luck and it's localised; in which case ddresuce will recover a lot
[23:04] <rebab> TJ-: It's me again.
[23:05] <TJ-> rebab: got the new disk already? :O
[23:05] <rebab> TJ-: Good news. I can save my personal files.
[23:05] <rebab> TJ-: Bad news. I have to install every program again.
[23:05] <TJ-> rebab: that is good news, so the damage must be localised
[23:06] <TJ-> rebab: I doubt that drive is safe to use beyond salvaging data; those errors are nasty ones and the drive cannot recover the damaged sectors
[23:06] <TJ-> rebab: And of course, ALWAYS have backups of your data files
[23:10] <TJ-> rebab: also be aware that although you're able to copy files off the disk there is no guarantee that the file contents are not corrupted, so be vigilant


[12:20] <dileks> hi
[12:20] <dileks> I added ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/q-lts-backport to my sources.list
[12:21] <dileks> is it possible to have somewhere on <https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport> a hint to apt-pinning the packages from this repo?
[12:21] <dileks> it took me a few minutes to get it right
[12:23] <dileks> /etc/apt/preferences.d/ubuntu-x-swat-q-lts-backport-precise-pin-400: http://nopaste.snit.ch/159941
[12:30] <dileks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[12:30] <dileks> lemme see if I can edit this and add mine as an example
[13:52] <dileks> looks like I am not allowed to edit this wiki-page
[20:05] <JanC> dileks: you need a U1/LP account to edit wiki pages
[20:09] <dileks> hmm, I have a LP (PPA) account - thats not adequate?
[20:10] <JanC> it seems like I can edit it, at least
[20:12] <JanC> dileks: did you log in to the wiki succesfully?
[20:13] <dileks> I could login but was not at the page I wanted to edit
[20:13] <JanC> go back to that page & refresh it?
[20:14] <JanC> and of course it probably requires cookies
[20:14] <dileks> UserDocumentation
[20:15] <dileks> go ahead was my slogan not back
[20:15] <dileks> but going back helped
[20:36] <dileks> JanC: are you editing?
[20:37] <dileks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Precise_Example
[20:38] <JanC> dileks: I did a small change adding an extra space to test  ;)
[20:39] <JanC> dileks: seems like you managed to edit it too
[20:39] <dileks> yes
[20:39] <dileks> missing a link to ppa-page
[20:41] <JanC> maybe you should also add a warning about compatibility issues at the beginning
[20:45] <dileks> yeah
[20:49] <dileks> is there a warn symbol? /!\ (trac syntax) seems not to work
[20:50] <dileks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HelpOnSmileys
[20:55] <dileks> JanC: done