[04:18] <ball> On a Xubuntu box, how do I ask the cpu temperature?
[07:08] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Community Leadership Summit 2011  A Few Weeks Away! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/08/community-leadership-summit-2011-a-few-weeks-away/
[07:25] <bigcalm> Good early morning peeps
[07:45] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[07:46] <diplo> Morning all
[07:50] <diplo> MooDoo, I must say Nottingham was dead as a door nail on Tuesday :(
[07:51] <diplo> Quietest I've ever seen it!
[07:54] <popey> Morning.
[08:03] <hoover> morning all
[08:12] <Myrtti> I just realised that I probably can attend OggCamp this year.
[08:12] <popey> yay!
[08:13] <Myrtti> all things being equal and nothing that can't be postponed by a week waiting for me in Finland...
[08:13] <AlanBell> great!
[08:13] <Myrtti> I'm trying very hard to find good things in life, as you may have noticedc
[08:13] <Myrtti> so
[08:13] <Myrtti> yay
[08:16] <Myrtti> in the meantime, I'll amuse myself with googling expensive cars, jewelry and home appliances.
[08:17] <AlanBell> one of these things is not like the others
[08:17] <popey> mmmm white goods
[08:18] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[08:18] <bigcalm> Myrtti: \o/
[08:18] <Myrtti> does a 3D printer that prints with chocolate count as a home appliance?
[08:21] <danfish> morning
[08:21] <BigRedS> Myrtti: It counts as *the* home appliance
[08:21] <danfish> Myrtti: a 3d printer that prints with chocolate will soon count as a basic human right ;)
[08:22] <Myrtti> on the other hand, I'm also googling robotic lawnmowers and air source heat pumps
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: Robotic lawn mowers? Like a Roomba's big brother? :)
[08:24] <Myrtti> Husqvarna has had robotic lawn mowers before roombas existed :-)
[08:27] <danfish> hmm - nasty wet day and afternoon off
[08:27] <BigRedS> robotic lawn moweres sounds like a hilariously scary idea
[08:27] <BigRedS> I want one
[08:27] <BigRedS> autonomous whirly blades of death
[08:27] <danfish> think it's time to give the pink laptop an ubuntu spray can pimping
[08:28] <danfish> BigRedS: combine that with one of those quadcopters...very scary
[08:29] <Myrtti> yeah well I've recently gained an ownership of a detached house on a hillside with lots of bushes and odd shaped plantings that nobody wants or enjoys to mow...
[08:30] <Myrtti> so giving the job to our robotic overlords would be nice, if I only had the money to invest on such gear.
[08:31] <Gary> once you start on that route, they will soon take over and we'll all be dammed!
[08:31] <Myrtti> strictly speaking I've recently gained an ownership of a half of a detached house
[08:32] <danfish> Myrtti: an arduino, a chainsaw, old lawnmower and some glue - job done :)
[08:32] <Myrtti> I've not yet decided should I go carve my half with an axe
[08:32] <Myrtti> or just dynamite the house down and split the pile of rubble into halfs and quarters
[08:33] <Myrtti> danfish: that sounds terribly like work
[08:33] <oimon> pay a teenager to maintain it
[08:33] <Myrtti> oimon: there's more truth in your words than you know...
[08:34] <Myrtti> sadly :-|
[08:35] <Myrtti> aw, now I need to balance this discussion out with pictures of expensive jewelry
[08:55] <daubers> Morning
[08:57] <popey> lo
[08:59] <bigcalm> Yello
[09:00] <danfish> ah daubers, just the man. Myrtti needs an arduino powered, chainsaw and strimmer-wielding deathbot to trim the garden
[09:01]  * popey glances out the window
[09:01] <popey> me too!
[09:02] <daubers> danfish: unfortunatley the wife has rules about things that a) Might break the law, b) might kill someone and c) Might end up taking over the universe and using it's subjugated human slaves to inflict terrible crimes upon the rest of the universe and any parallel to this one
[09:02] <daubers> Otherwise, I'd be there with my soldering iron ready
[09:02] <Myrtti> aw
[09:02] <daubers> She threatened to put it in her wedding vows
[09:03] <danfish> daubers: it's always the little details.........
[09:04] <daubers> danfish: Yup :(
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> daubers: you're really that close to taking over the world with robots? :)
[09:14] <daubers> MartijnVdS: When you're wife trains in law, she quickly learns to not leave any stone unturned
[09:14] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I think there was also a clause about getting the law changed so I could specifically do something was also frowned upon also
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[09:21] <s-fox> Hello.
[09:27] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:27] <s-fox> Hello czajkowski , how things your neck of the woods?
[09:28] <czajkowski> ntb, could end up in A&E befor the day is out as i can't move and i've a flight to get in the morning so a day of lying in bed is ahead of me
[09:29] <czajkowski> on the plus side caught up with entire family yesterday
[09:29] <czajkowski> so that should do me for another 12 months
[09:29] <AlanBell> heh
[09:29]  * AlanBell sends hugs
[09:29] <czajkowski> wanted to go to lahinch today but need to be in the house for a call at 5:30
[09:29] <czajkowski> been a long week
[09:30] <czajkowski> next week will feel like a holiday
[09:30] <AlanBell> I am off to Berlin next week
[09:31] <czajkowski> nice
[09:32] <s-fox> Fun
[09:32] <daubers> czajkowski: Still got back problems?
[09:34] <czajkowski> yup
[09:34] <czajkowski> driving walking standing travelling hasn't helped this week
[09:34] <daubers> urgh
[09:35] <StevenR> czajkowski: tried the McKenzie books/method?
[09:35] <czajkowski> StevenR: they used to work great now too sore to do them
[09:35] <StevenR> czajkowski: ahh :(
[09:35] <czajkowski> waiting to go back and get 4 epidurals in back week after next
[09:35] <czajkowski> so hopefully sorted
[09:45] <daubers> Hmmm...  If you must :)
[10:59] <Daviey> Xenope: That, we cannot answer until you've asked them.
[10:59] <brobostigon> Xenope: fire away,
[11:00] <Xenope> lol, well how can i install a twitter client that actually works
[11:00] <Xenope> i've tried several they don't connect lol
[11:01] <brobostigon> Xenope: gwibber works,
[11:01] <Xenope> I shall try it now :)
[11:01] <brobostigon> :)
[11:01] <bigcalm> brobostigon: oxymoron
[11:01] <brobostigon> bigcalm: ?
[11:01] <popey> Xenope: hotot is apparently good
[11:01]  * oimon uses hotot
[11:01] <popey> brobostigon: humour
[11:01] <brobostigon> popey: oh, ok.
[11:01] <bigcalm> Atempted
[11:02] <brobostigon> bigcalm: sorry i didnt get it,
[11:02] <bigcalm> One might also say that those two words are mutually exlusive
[11:04] <Xenope> huzza! this seems to be working fine, danke
[11:05] <popey> Xenope: you exobuzz?
[11:05] <Xenope> I don't knwo what that means
[11:05] <popey> nvm
[11:05] <Xenope> explain and I shall answer :P
[11:05] <popey> dont worry
[11:06] <Xenope> Ah, the answer is no..
[11:08] <bigcalm[revo]> What am I still doing here?
[11:09] <bigcalm> Silly revo
[11:11]  * popey hugs his revo(s)
[11:12] <bigcalm> Actually, it's one 'toy' purchase that is in everyday/constant use
[11:12] <popey> heh, ditto
[11:13] <Daviey> and here.
[11:13] <BigRedS> My brother got a revo on the grounds that it'd be easier for him to bring it round to mine to make me fix it :(
[11:14] <oimon> i have a load of linux machine in my office that are perfectly quiet, but as soon as i get a windows box in the room, it is always "doing something"...tinkle tinkle of the hard drive all day long
[11:14] <oimon> even with no apps open
[11:15] <Daviey> I am impressed with it's hd playback.
[11:15] <popey> is yours a frontend?
[11:15] <Xenope> just set the hard drive to stop spinning after a while ?
[11:15] <Daviey> oimon: I have an ARM netbook here.. it freaks me out because it makes no sound.. I almost want a buzzer in it, just to let me know it's on.
[11:15] <Daviey> "comfort sound"
[11:15] <oimon> lol
[11:15] <Daviey> popey: yah
[11:15] <oimon> SSD too Daviey?
[11:16] <oimon> the XP tinkle click tinkle is v irritating
[11:16] <popey> is that a toshiba ac100 ?
[11:16] <Daviey> oimon: Has SDHC/MMC on the mainboard
[11:16] <Daviey> popey: yah
[11:16] <popey> does it have SATA on the mobo?
[11:16] <popey> do us a "sudo lshw -html > make_alan_jealous.html"
[11:17] <Daviey> not opened it yet, but the case would not fit it in TBH.
[11:17] <Daviey> popey: will do late, it's in the car.
[11:22] <popey> Daviey: feel free to give it to me
[11:22] <popey> gord: do you still use yours?
[11:22] <Daviey> oh yes.
[11:23] <gord> popey, yup, i drag it around the house with me - its a nice little machine
[11:23] <popey> reminds me, I still have the meenee here :D
[11:36] <DJones> AlanBell: Is this any interest? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/08/cabinet_office_negotiates_with_microsoft/
[11:39] <AlanBell> a little bit
[11:40] <AlanBell> not massively surprised
[11:45] <AlanBell> DJones: today is a good day to release bad news
[11:45] <DJones> AlanBell: Thats very true
[11:53] <AlanBell> DJones: seen what I am working on with the Cabinet Office?
[11:54] <DJones> I think I read something you gave a link to recently
[11:54] <AlanBell> http://twitter.com/#!/alanbell_libsol/status/89284347508695040
[11:55] <AlanBell> or in fact what the hell, have a play with it http://mumble.libertus.co.uk:3000
[11:55] <DJones> Ah yes, I saw that earlier
[11:56] <AlanBell> there should be a production version of that on a .gov.uk domain in a few weeks
[12:14] <popey> AlanBell: you do realise that the url is effectively public anyway
[12:14] <popey> http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Would+Open+Source+software+protect+me+from+a+Zombie+Invasion%3F%22
[12:15] <AlanBell> yeah, it isn't a massive secret
[12:15] <AlanBell> just don't want people getting confused
[12:16] <stgraber> popey: though these results don't point to :3000 (at least here), so you'd just get a 404
[12:16] <AlanBell> aahh, it was on port 80 for a few hours, must have been spidered when it was
[12:17] <popey> ah
[12:18] <popey> good point
[12:18] <popey> i do love how stgraber stays dormant for weeks then pops up with useful comments now and then
[12:18] <popey> an asset to the channel ;)
[12:18]  * Gary farts
[12:18]  * popey wafts
[12:18] <stgraber> :)
[12:20] <vflinux> Hi for all..
[12:21] <vflinux> I'm in London and looking for a job like a Linux administrator or support.
[12:21] <vflinux> May can someone help me?
[12:21] <oimon> are you experienced?
[12:21] <vflinux> a litle
[12:22] <vflinux> I work a 10 years with linux
[12:22] <kirrus> vflinux: are you willing to move?
[12:22] <AlanBell> get your CV to a bunch of agencies
[12:22] <vflinux> I was certified Conectiva Linux
[12:22] <daubers> agencies are evil :(
[12:22] <vflinux> I sent my CV for a lot of agencies
[12:22] <vflinux> but till now
[12:22] <daubers> If I wanted to run a crime syndicate, I'd start a job agency
[12:22] <vflinux> nothing...
[12:23] <vflinux> :(
[12:23] <BigRedS> vflinux: fancy working in a noc in cambridgeshire?
[12:23] <daubers> vflinux: Following the linux jobs mailing list?
[12:23] <oimon> vflinux: do you have a valid work permit to work in the UK
[12:23] <vflinux> yes
[12:23] <vflinux> I'm Brazilian / Italian Citzen
[12:23] <oimon> also ensure that the English on your CV is immaculate
[12:24] <BigRedS> vflinux: email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you're up for working in cambridgeshire
[12:24] <oimon> grammatical errors on the CV have a tendency to put some employers off
[12:24] <BigRedS> Please. I'd like to have less work to do :)
[12:24] <oimon> my wife watches a lot fo escape to the country and i'm getting tempted to up sticks
[12:25] <BigRedS> oimon: you can come here, too :)
[12:25] <vflinux> Grate
[12:25] <vflinux> Well
[12:26] <vflinux> I'll send my cv for this email
[12:26] <kirrus> Let us know when you've sent it (myself or BigRedS) and we'll poke someone to go and check the email :)
[12:28]  * oimon has had a nightmare of a week with a windows server :(
[12:29]  * Myrtti rubs her chin and considers sending a CV herself
[12:29] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[12:30] <kirrus> Please do, the more the merrier! It's linux sysadmin / tech support, for website hosting. No windows servers here ;)
[12:30] <Gary> kirrus: meh :'(  that last bit made me cry
[12:31] <kirrus> Well, almost no windows servers. For some reason, finding someone who'll do door-control systems on linux is almost impossible
[12:31]  * Gary sadly supports windows servers
[12:31] <Gary> kirrus: can I support your door access system then?
[12:31] <daubers> kirrus: I know a couple of people who made one of those for the comp sci soc at Swansea
[12:31] <daubers> kirrus: All rfid and lovely
[12:31] <vflinux> Hi
[12:32] <popey> daubers: not all agencies are evil
[12:32] <vflinux> I sent my cv for the email above
[12:32] <kirrus> Gary: heh.. it's a single box, I don't think it needs support, considering half of us run windows at home for gaming. You could always apply as a trainee for switching to 'nix full time :)
[12:33] <vflinux> My cv is not a "Greate Deal"
[12:33] <kirrus> daubers: cool! Have they got a site or 'code available? It might not work with our (proprietory) RFID card readers, is the only down side
[12:33] <kirrus> vflinux: I'll let someone know
[12:33] <Gary> kirrus: hehe, I'd love to work at a noc, but with a mortgage and 15 years windows support exp. I can't afford the step sideways
[12:33] <vflinux> If you can help me...
[12:34] <vflinux> I pay a beer for us \o/!
[12:34] <vflinux> I'm in London a 40 days
[12:35] <vflinux> no money no laptop no girls, no linux...GRRRRRRRRRR
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> vflinux: No linux AND no girls?
[12:35] <kirrus> Gary: that's a shame :( Any chance you'd be able to find a dual-host, so that you'd be able to get the linux experience?
[12:38] <daubers> kirrus: Drop them an email
[12:39] <daubers> kirrus: http://sucs.org/
[12:39] <daubers> kirrus: http://projects.sucs.org/projects/doorcode
[12:41] <kirrus> daubers: cheers! I've passed it onto the guy who's been trying to replace the windows box :)
[12:43] <vflinux> People
[12:43] <kirrus> that's what we are, vflinux? :)
[12:44] <vflinux> some comunity event like installfast or something like that?
[12:45] <vflinux> I need some to do! it's anoy me...and I can't stay here in internet point for a long time...much money to pay
[12:46] <vflinux> I need install linux to somebody
[12:47] <jpds> vflinux: Check out: http://london.hackspace.org.uk/
[12:57] <vflinux> First I want thank to every body
[12:59] <vflinux> I was these days in the Ferdora-uk channel and I was treted like a dog...
[12:59] <vflinux> thank's very much
[13:01] <Myrtti> ah, my own personal sodastream concentrate that nobody else touches ♥
[13:01] <brobostigon> :)
[13:02] <popey> vflinux: thats sad to hear
[13:04] <vflinux> yes..
[13:04] <vflinux> for me...
[13:04] <vflinux> I come from Brazil
[13:04] <vflinux> that the things are a litle bit diferent
[13:05] <vflinux> But I'm happy with ubuntu-uk channel
[13:07] <vflinux> I will install more Ubuntu Linux in the future...
[13:10] <oimon> is there an easy way to find out which chromium tabs i have open, and switch to it? finding it difficult with > 50 tabs
[13:10] <davmor2> Myrtti: why what flavour is it?
[13:10] <ujjain> close the tabs you don't use?
[13:10] <gord> oimon, try typing in to the address bar the name of the website you want, at least firefox, will switch to the tab you have that website open in
[13:11] <oimon> gord: yes, firefox is cool like that
[13:11] <gord> all the major browsers tend to have the same features these days so i'm assuming chrome does too
[13:11] <Myrtti> davmor2: dandelion burdock - it's a flavour totally unknown in here, people go "bwha?" when I tell them about it, and they see it as "coke with a weird taste"
[13:11] <oimon> chromium is rather lacking
[13:11] <oimon> the awesome bar in chromium is not called the awesome bar for a reason
[13:11] <gord> oh well then i dunno, maybe an extension?
[13:11] <oimon> Myrtti: d&b rules
[13:12] <oimon> gord: i think i just like firefox too much..hope they fix the memory issues soon
[13:12] <gord> time to spend my walk about 3ds coins on pictures -_-
[13:12] <davmor2> Myrtti: Hmmmmmm dandelion and burdock hmmmmmmmmmmm
[13:12] <davmor2> Myrtti: trust me you wouldn't keep it in the UK :)
[13:12] <gord> my mii now has kitty cat ears, freaking out all the children i wander past i hope
[13:14] <Myrtti> davmor2: I know
[13:14] <Myrtti> apart when at home, dsample doesn't like carbonated drinks at all :-D
[13:16] <davmor2> gord: I got a bargain  in buxton last week Dungeon Seige III for ps3 for 19.99 10 off the game card and it had 10 off it anyway looks like a good game so far :) little slower than I'm used to and hard as hell in places but fun :)
[13:16] <gord> davmor2, yeah they screwed up the co-op in that game so its not selling well, shame, its by obsidian so it must have a good story
[13:18] <davmor2> gord: generally a great game, not quite on par with the others but I played them on PC so it was a different kinda game.  Gfx are beautiful, game play engaging etc
[13:28] <hoover> cheers all
[13:28] <hoover> have a nice weekend
[13:31] <vflinux> I have to go by now
[13:31] <vflinux> I thank's every body for your atention
[13:32] <vflinux> have a nice weekend!
[13:33] <popey> see ya vflinux
[13:36] <gord> nice chap
[13:36] <popey> ya
[13:38] <Myrtti> :->
[13:56] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[13:57] <AlanBell> s/*sigh*/smile/
[13:59] <oimon> not looking forward to the school reunion tomorrow :S
[14:04] <shauno> pft @ having to kludge around the nannywall to be able to watch the shuttle launch
[14:49] <daubers> Oooooh... finally got access to google+
[14:49] <popey> so i see
[14:49] <popey> so did bigcalm
[14:50] <Azelphur> I'm starting to get tempted by these social networking sites I thought were so evil before :p
[14:50] <bigcalm> \o/
[14:50] <Azelphur> is facebooks privacy policy still a complete joke?
[14:50]  * hamitron proposes giving Azelphur a free lesson on stubborness
[14:50] <danfish> google+ is soooooo yesterday ;)
[14:51] <Azelphur> lol
[14:51] <bigcalm> How long until I delete my Facebook profile?
[14:51] <hamitron> can you delete your facebook profile?
[14:51] <hamitron> ;/
[14:51] <danfish> I've just signed up to facespacebuzztwitlinkwave+
[14:52] <hamitron> :D
[14:53] <bigcalm> It feels as though Google+ has had less hype than Wave. I wonder if it will fair better
[14:53] <hamitron> Wave?
[14:54] <shauno> I think + stands a better chance because people have half a clue what it's *for*
[14:54] <shauno> wave was really quite interesting, but didn't have a stand-out purpose
[14:54] <bigcalm> popey: does it show me having shared a photo?
[14:55] <bigcalm> I have to say that I am extreamly impressed by the instant upload feature of the android app
[14:56] <shauno> gonna be a while before I get to play with plus tho.  the whole nae pals thing don't mix well with all this social stuff :)
[14:56]  * Ng does his annual wondering about who is good for low cost UK VPSes
[14:57]  * shauno goes back to trying to turn powerpoint trainings into something that doesn't make you stab yourself in the face :(
[14:58] <bigcalm> Most of my long term friends are on older mail systems than Google. Not going to be adding them any time soon
[14:59] <BigRedS> yeah, I'm wondering what to do with g+
[14:59] <oimon> anyone used openfiler as a NAS? it's pretty useful
[15:00] <danfish> Ng: free ec2 microinstance for a year?
[15:01] <Ng> danfish: that is currently my leading contender, but I'm shopping around to see if there's a good VPS option :)
[15:02] <JGJones> Ng you could just setup a microinstance for a year and pay nothing and use this time to shop around for a good VPS option :) I'm using it as my webserver at the moment.
[15:02] <Ng> hehe
[15:03] <Ng> I probably want to do EBS root though, which may ruin my ability to use a free instance
[15:05] <Daviey> Ng: I'll give you a free one, running an old version of centos?
[15:05] <Ng> Daviey: that sounds.... horrible ;)
[15:05] <Daviey> Ng: No reason for that, other than to be mean:)
[15:05] <Ng> Daviey: I don't mind being mean to centos!
[15:06] <gord> i can give you access to a zx spectrum? it might be a better system than what Daviey is proposing
[15:07] <ging> you have an internet enabled spectrum?
[15:07] <popey> Ng: bitfolk have capacity now
[15:07] <popey> Ng: I just got one
[15:07] <gord> well no, but we can print off screens and then input them to an internet enabled computer
[15:07] <JGJones> I've got a Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 4 - it's better than the ZX Spectrum...it got DUAL floppy disk drive!
[15:08] <Ng> popey: interesting
[15:08] <JGJones> it doesn't work, but...dual drives!
[15:08] <Ng> popey: their webpage says they're out of capacity ;)
[15:08] <popey>  15:08:26 up  3:30,  4 users,  load average: 0.51, 0.38, 0.15
[15:08] <popey> thats how long I've had it
[15:08] <ging> irc channel says capacity none
[15:08] <popey> he hasnt updated the website yet
[15:08] <JGJones> Ng - I think there's some EBS with free tier?
[15:08] <popey> speak to grifferz Ng
[15:09] <ging> i thought bitfolk always had capacity at the moment though
[15:09] <ging> or was that untill the memory upgrades were done?
[15:10] <popey> haha, within an hour of being up I have denyhosts blocking IPs
[15:11] <ging> they want your bitcoins
[15:13] <JGJones> Ng - this is what you get with the free tier (not just EC2) http://aws.amazon.com/free/
[15:13] <Ng> JGJones: ooh ta
[15:14] <czajkowski> what a friggin day
[15:19] <s-fox> anyone else watching the atlantis flight?
[15:19] <s-fox> 9 mins to launch :)
[15:20] <brobostigon> yes, on bbc news 24.
[15:21] <s-fox> i got it online here - http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/nasa-hd-tv :)
[15:21] <s-fox> i didn't realise that they keep stopping the countdown clock
[15:23] <shauno> there was only one hold I've seen so far, at 9 mins.  which is planned, apparently
[15:23] <brobostigon> wait for the lowfrequency boom. :)
[15:23] <shauno> but they're back to making funny noises, so \o/
[15:24] <brobostigon> it does create a sonic boom doesnt it?
[15:25] <shauno> brobostigon: http://orbitalhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/mit-space-shuttle-sonic-boom.jpg
[15:25] <JGJones> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ - taking off in 1 minute
[15:26] <s-fox> 1 minute to go :)
[15:26] <JGJones> live TV
[15:26] <s-fox> omg - failure 31 secs until launch....
[15:27] <shauno> heh.  that's when it's meant to handover to the onboard computer =x
[15:27]  * shauno waits for the lil dude in the pentium suit to run out 'n reboot it
[15:27] <JGJones> doh...did they say what's the failture? (assuming there's audio?)
[15:28] <shauno> not sure / clear.  that was more TLAs than humans are designed to deal with
[15:28] <shauno> phew!
[15:28] <JGJones> counting down!
[15:29] <JGJones> Lift off!
[15:30] <shauno> theres your boom brobostigon, just before it went into the clouds
[15:30] <brobostigon> yes.'
[15:30] <shauno> you see it collect it's own little cloud for a few seconds
[15:33] <JGJones> It might have been done many many times, but still amazing how fast it's getting into space. Can now see the curve of Earth.
[15:33]  * DJones googles "Trans-sonic", I've heard sub-sonic & super-sonic used, but never trans-sonic
[15:33] <shauno> thought my feed was broken for a moment there, but you can see the earth moving.  it just gets really peaceful, really quickly
[15:33] <directhex> intergalactic planetary planetary intergalactic
[15:34] <brobostigon> JGJones: it just hits  26000 mph as it goes through the clouds.
[15:34] <BigRedS> directhex: Mach 0.8 - 1.2
[15:34] <BigRedS> really iffy bit of aerodynamics
[15:34] <JGJones> Wonder what the future rockets will be like after the shuttles.
[15:34] <BigRedS> We, DJones ^^
[15:34] <daubers> JGJones: Ask Elon Musk
[15:35] <BigRedS> gah. that was meant to be 'er'
[15:35] <BigRedS> JGJones: the replacement is to be like the ones before it
[15:35] <DJones> BigRedS: Was reading the same info
[15:35] <BigRedS> Big column with a massive engine at the bottom
[15:36] <JGJones> heh that's pretty much true. Although I recall reading that NASA doesn't have a clue how to put together a Saturn V anymore - engineering plans etc was lost?
[15:36] <daubers> BigRedS: More efficient that way for heavy lofting (which is the phase we're going through)
[15:36] <shauno> too embarassed to ask the russians for a copy I guess
[15:36] <daubers> shauno: They'd go ask SpaceX instead these days
[15:36] <daubers> or the ESA
[15:36] <BigRedS> JGJones: yeah, there was a lot of thought that we'll never make one of those again at the beginning of the STS programme
[15:36] <shauno> I'm just assuming the russians would have copies of the original ;)
[15:37] <BigRedS> where 'we' = 'the americans', I suppose
[15:37] <JGJones> shauno, They did ask the Russians.
[15:37] <BigRedS> daubers: yeah, STS never really became teh shuttle it was supposed do anyway
[15:37] <JGJones> But the Russians was too embarassed to ask the Chinese for their copy of their copy.
[15:38] <JGJones> BigRedS, You can blame the US military for that.
[15:38] <JGJones> Stage 2 separation successful
[15:39] <BigRedS> JGJones: I do :)
[15:39] <shauno> pft.  stop cutting back to the ground.  I've been watching the ground for hours
[15:39] <daubers> BigRedS: I'm more excited about the stuff coming from SpaceX these days. Old Musk trying to put people on Mars privatley
[15:40] <BigRedS> daubers: I'm quite intrigued by the usaf having another go at what they wanted from sts
[15:40] <popey> shame the russian Buran one never took off either
[15:41] <popey> http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/11/rare-photos-of-russian-buran-space.html
[15:41] <BigRedS> mm, it *is* an expensive way to go to space, though
[15:41] <BigRedS> not that there's really a cheap way
[15:41] <shauno> I don't think it's really that expensive :/
[15:42] <daubers> BigRedS: That first bit is hard, once you're up it's relativley easy
[15:42] <daubers> Blasted gravity wells
[15:42] <JGJones> popey heh I was just looking up the Buran - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_(spacecraft)
[15:42] <shauno> one figure I saw bandied around recently, was that nasa's budget this year, was roughly equal to what the US military was spending on air conditioning in afghanistan
[15:42] <popey> http://www.buran.ru/htm/molniya.htm
[15:42] <JGJones> By no means whatsoever is the Buran a carbon copy of the Shuttle...that's impossible...just a pure fluke they look alike :-D
[15:43] <shauno> it /is/ a lot of money, but in that kinda context, nasa's a bargain
[15:43] <BigRedS>  shauno oh yeah, but it's cheaper to put a rocket on a stick
[15:43] <oimon> did they take off yet?
[15:43] <BigRedS> which is why that's what the soviets did
[15:43] <popey> http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/spacecraft/q0153.shtml
[15:43] <popey> sad pics at the bottom
[15:43]  * ball pokes at a new Xubuntu box with a sharpened stick.
[15:44] <JGJones> popey, the Buran did have a launch - in fact it was the only fully automated launch of a shuttle until 2010 by the NASA so it achieved something.
[15:44] <davmor2> Xubuntu box dies from being stabbed with a pointy stick
[15:46] <directhex> JGJones, buran was much better in many respects
[15:47] <directhex> JGJones, e.g. it had actual safety measures built in, which shuttle doesn't
[15:47] <popey> JGJones: i meant "took off" in the "was successful" meaning
[15:47] <shauno> appears it was bigger too.  of course :)
[15:47] <popey> seems there's one in germany
[15:47] <popey> http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/spacecraft/q0241.shtml
[15:47] <shauno> 10cm wider than your puny shuttle!
[15:51] <Myrtti> blää
[15:51] <Myrtti> damned allergies
[15:51]  * ball laments the fact that Britain was the only country (that I know of) to successfully develop satellite launch capability and then just throw it away.
[15:51] <daubers> ball: Cheaper to let the rest of europe pay for it
[15:52] <ball> Perhaps, but still... we seem to have a habit of that.
[15:52] <daubers> ball: However, we develop most of the satellite tech that's being launched these days
[15:55] <BigRedS> ball: we've a distinguished history (well, for the past century or so) of developing something just to prove we can, and then buying the US version so someone else has to maintain it for us
[15:58] <directhex> and cocking up when we try to DIY it, e.g. Nimrod?
[15:58] <daubers> directhex: Nimrod is an interesting case, as it was being built by BAE (so still a private purchase) and lots of those from that period ended up being a cockup
[15:59] <directhex> daubers, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllll
[15:59] <directhex> "built by BAE" isn't strictly true. built by de havilland!
[15:59] <daubers> Under licence from BAE wasn't it?
[16:00]  * BigRedS sees directhex's nimdrod and raises him a V-bomber
[16:01] <daubers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Nimrod_MRA4
[16:01] <directhex> daubers, BAe didn't exist when our state-of-the-art russian subhunters were being originally built
[16:01] <daubers> Original Nimrods where ol
[16:01] <ball> I'm going to try tweaking a CMOS setting.
[16:02] <daubers> ok
[16:02] <directhex> daubers, remember, our multi-billion-pound nimrods were retrofitted 1940s dehavilland comets
[16:02] <Myrtti> yall funny
[16:02] <BigRedS> Come now, you've worded that specifically to make it sound bad
[16:03] <directhex> the project's cost was almost entirely because comets were never manufactured. they were coach-built. so every retrofitted nimrod had to be done coach too. down to the last screw, since thos never matched
[16:04] <daubers> directhex: Most military aircraft of that ilk are based on a given airframe and modified for the purpose. Building one from scratch would be even more expensive
[16:05] <directhex> daubers, correct.
[16:05] <directhex> daubers, but of all the airframes to pick...
[16:05] <daubers> directhex: Was the best airframe available at the time for the purpose needed
[16:05] <directhex> daubers, there's a reason india bought its much newer much better 737-based spy planes recently for a hundredth of the cost
[16:05] <daubers> directhex: Hindsight is an amazing thing really....
[16:06] <directhex> daubers, we're talking about the nimrods they were still building for delivery this decade. a de havilland comet is not an appropriate airframe for hunting russian subs in the 2010s
[16:06] <daubers> I'd be surprised if we actually keep any thing of that sight.  I expect them to get bigger (i.e. A380)
[16:08] <daubers> directhex: We operate some 737 based spy planes
[16:08]  * BigRedS always forgets there's that whole civil part of aviation
[16:08] <daubers> or 707, I forget which
[16:09] <directhex> dc4!
[16:09] <BigRedS> daubers: we have EC3s which are 707s
[16:12] <daubers> It'll all go to drones in the next 15 years or so
[16:12] <daubers> cheaper to make/operate and less risky to lose
[16:13] <BigRedS> yeah, but the air force do love their planes
[16:14] <daubers> We'll probably keep fast jets for a bit longer for situations where drones aren't good enough
[16:14] <BigRedS> oh yeah, I think we'll have fast jets for quite a long time
[16:15] <BigRedS> much longer than we *need* to. But I can see raf objecting to losing their, say, EC3s
[16:15] <daubers> That'll be the RAFs "thing" for a bit. Until LEO is a problem, then RAF'll move up there with drones at a lower level
[16:15] <BigRedS> in the same way as the Navy just managed to end up with a peculiar surface fleet
[16:16] <Daviey> Having spent ~6 hour on a flight on an EC3 Sentry, the kit was pretty old then!
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> EC3? Amazon have upgraded?
[16:17] <Daviey> E-3D
[16:17] <Daviey> bah, too much cloud.
[16:18] <BigRedS> yeah, where'd that c come from?
[16:18] <Daviey> We /had/ 7 of them, nick named after the 7 dwarfs..
[16:26]  * daubers goes home
[16:31] <neuro> Daviey: you spent a 6hr flight on an awacs?!
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> neuro: at least they have wifi..?
[16:33] <neuro> lol
[16:34] <Daviey> neuro: year, the north sea is kinda boring.
[16:34] <Daviey> yeah*
[16:34] <neuro> cool
[16:35] <neuro> for those interested ...
[16:36] <Daviey> neuro: honestly, it was not that exciting.  You can't see the mushroom from the inside.. just an 'odd' plane.
[16:36] <neuro> nimrods are being replaced by three KC-135s converted to RC-135W standard
[16:36] <neuro> based on Rivet Joint configuration
[16:37] <neuro> should get them in 2014, plan is to run them through 2045
[16:37] <Daviey> neuro: then throw another 20 years on the end?
[16:37] <neuro> probably
[16:37] <neuro> the 707s are hardy buggers
[16:38] <bigcalm> jQuery help please :)
[16:38] <neuro> just like Nimrods, but with a better support infrastructure behind them
[16:38] <Daviey> neuro: I do like it when i'm on a commerical flight, and there are ashtrays in the seats.  Really makes you feel safe, knowing the airframe is somewhat old.
[16:38] <neuro> hehe
[16:39] <bigcalm> http://pastebin.com/pem7kZJ0 - when the field gains focus, it blanks ok. When it blurs, it stays blank. Help? :)
[16:39] <neuro> bigcalm: this is #ubuntu-sigint-geeks, you probably want another channel
[16:39] <bigcalm> :P
[16:39] <Daviey> neuro: Do you know where the RC-135W's will be based?
[16:40] <neuro> 51 sqn
[16:40] <neuro> waddington
[16:40] <Daviey> interesting..
[16:40] <neuro> they flew R1s
[16:40] <neuro> but now they'll be the OCU for the 135
[16:40] <Daviey> Nimrods were at Kinloss before, which is now on borrowed tme.
[16:40] <Daviey> time*
[16:41] <neuro> Daviey: kinloss flew the MR2
[16:41] <neuro> waddington the R1
[16:41] <Daviey> Interestingly, i don't remember seeing any Nimrods at Waddington.
[16:43] <Daviey> neuro: Interestingly, i've been seeing plenty of C130's this week.. Seems they are homeless now.
[16:43] <neuro> nice
[16:44] <shauno> bigcalm: is this.blur function meant to be nested inside this.focus ?
[16:45] <bigcalm> shauno: yes
[16:45] <bigcalm> shauno: when the field loses focus, I want to do something with that field
[16:46] <shauno> yeah I see that bit, just can't get my head around js's nesting
[16:46] <bigcalm> shauno: neither can JS
[16:47] <bigcalm> shauno: it works if I take the .blur() out of the .focus()
[16:47] <neuro> Daviey: wikipedia sez: 192 sqn based watton flew comets and canberras in elint and comint roles
[16:47] <bigcalm> Ta, guess I'll leave it at that for now
[16:47] <neuro> moved to the R1 in 1974
[16:47] <neuro> moved to waddington in 1995
[16:48] <neuro> they had 3 R1s until nov 2009, one retired
[16:48] <neuro> one got redeployed to akrotiri in march
[16:49] <neuro> the last one got retired on 28th june
[16:49] <neuro> crews are now doing joint training with usaf 343rd recon sqn out of offutt on the RC-135 conversion
[16:51] <neuro> the funny thing about the nimrod is
[16:51] <Daviey> never heard of offutt. :/
[16:51] <neuro> and it's a shame dauber has left
[16:51] <neuro> only 4 comets got used to make nimrods
[16:51] <neuro> the rest were built from scratch
[16:51] <neuro> s/4 comets/2 comets/
[16:52] <neuro> Daviey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offutt_Air_Force_Base
[16:52] <neuro> kentucky
[16:52] <neuro> oops, nebraska
[16:52] <neuro> i meant
[16:52] <Daviey> neuro: I had already googled :)
[16:52] <popey> i has more g+ invites
[16:52] <popey> anyone want one?
[16:52] <Daviey> popey: ebay them.
[16:52] <popey> heh
[16:53] <neuro> how do you know you have them?
[16:53] <bigcalm> Is it not possible to request a read receipt with gmail?
[16:53] <popey> there is a button
[16:53] <Daviey> popey: hah!  people are actually ebaying them!
[16:53] <gord> you can send me one if you want, i have had a bunch of people send me google+ invites but they never get through :(
[16:53] <neuro> i see no button
[16:54] <shauno> I'd take one if you have spares
[16:54] <popey> pm me your gmail accounts
[16:54] <popey> neuro: you aren't speshul
[16:54] <neuro> it's a bit shit anyway
[16:54] <Daviey> popey: it sounds to me, that if you want to give them away for free you should get this domain - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FREE-GOOGLE-PLUS-INVITES-INVITE-COM-2-Domains-NEW-/170662645218?pt=Domain_Names&hash=item27bc494de2
[16:54] <gord> popey<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:54] <gord> oh, forgot the /msg
[16:54] <gord> well whatever
[16:54] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:55]  * neuro adds to spam list
[16:55] <popey> done gord
[16:55] <gord> cool cool thanks
[16:55] <gord> lets see if i actually get this one
[16:55] <popey> done shauno
[16:55] <shauno> heh, that domain is .. grasping a little
[16:55] <Daviey> i have a button!
[16:55] <shauno> cheers
[16:55] <popey> np
[16:56] <bigcalm> WTF? I put these recharged rechargeables into my mouse yesterday afternoon and now the mouse is flashing the low battery warning. Silly Uniross
[16:58] <bigcalm> They are possibly the oldest set I own. Into the recycling they go
[17:02] <popey> i see gord got in ☺
[17:02] <gord> BUTTONS
[17:02] <gord> i added myself as a firend like five times
[17:02] <popey> yeah, odd isnt it
[17:05] <gord> where is the button to get it to not email me?
[17:06] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/plus
[17:06] <gord> ah thank you
[18:23] <Xenope> hi all
[18:24] <Xenope> anyone there?
[18:28] <AlanBell> Xenope: nobody at all
[18:29] <Amy1004> Hi
[18:29] <AlanBell> o/
[18:30] <stemount> evenin'
[18:30] <bigcalm> Morning
[18:31] <Amy1004> I have a VPS, I'm trying to create users accounts via the command line and assign the accounts to a directory and lock them into it, for example, adduser: "alex" and lock him into "/var/www/a/alex" so "alex" can't access other directories such as "/var/www/a/amy"
[18:31] <ali1234> it's kind of hard to do that...
[18:32] <bigcalm> You can do it with FTP
[18:32]  * bigcalm shudders at the mention of FTP
[18:32] <ali1234> yes, but ftp sucks
[18:32] <bigcalm> +1
[18:32] <stemount> FTP FTW
[18:32]  * stemount runs
[18:34] <AlanBell> Amy1004: http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted_ssh_howto_debian
[18:35] <AlanBell> or this which was the one I intended to find http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html
[18:37] <AlanBell> or google ssh and chroot, there are quite a few guides of variable quality and age
[18:38] <Amy1004> bigcalm, with FTP/sFTP I know I can lock a user to a directory, but what's happened is "alex" uploaded a php script which opened access to other directories "amy" etc... because "alex" was only restricted while logged in via FTP but the directory itself isn't locked.
[18:38] <Amy1004> Thanks AlanBell I'll look into that now.
[18:38] <ali1234> good luck fixing *that* one
[18:39] <ali1234> user www *needs* read access to web directories
[18:39] <stemount> Amy1004: openbase_dir?
[18:39] <AlanBell> ah, you need to run multiple web servers for that I guess
[18:40] <Amy1004> AlanBell, multiple web servers?
[18:40] <Amy1004> AlanBell, I only have 1 VPS
[18:40] <stemount> Amy1004: openbase_dir is exactly what you want :-p
[18:40] <bigcalm> I was going to suggest chroot, but I wasn't sure how much control over the users you can exert
[18:40] <AlanBell> one web server process per user chrooted to the users area and running as the user, but stemount is probably right :)
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> stemount: only in PHP- perl scripts will still be able to go to other directories
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> or Python
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> or any other language
[18:41] <stemount> MartijnVdS: yeah so turn off perl python etc from being served or exec ;)
[18:41] <stemount> Amy1004 mentioned FTP :)
[18:42] <Amy1004> stemount, (sFTP) :)
[18:42] <stemount> Amy1004: oh :) so they have shell access
[18:42] <hackersrus> Hello all :)
[18:42] <hackersrus> I was wondering if anyone can help me?
[18:43] <stemount> ^aDaM: nope
[18:44] <^aDaM> I have a problem with my 'Update Manager' - When I open it I get the following error, Screenshot of the Error/Bug;
[18:44] <^aDaM> http://i51.tinypic.com/30awgm8.png
[18:44] <^aDaM> I need to fix this so I can update Firefox, I am trying to play Quakelive and its saying something about the plugin :/
[18:45] <^aDaM> So I presume I need to update to the latest version of Mozilla Firefox.
[18:46] <davmor2> ^aDaM: try opening a terminal and running sudo apt-get -f upgrade
[18:47] <^aDaM> davmor2: Thanks, what's that upgrade Firefox? is that what the, '-f' stands for :/
[18:47] <matti> n
[18:48] <davmor2> ^aDaM: no it will try and fix the upgrade that isn't working
[18:48] <^aDaM> Hi matti :)
[18:48] <matti> Hey ;)
[18:48] <^aDaM> Well that failed davmor2.. I tryed it :(
[18:48] <brobostigon> evening matti :)
[18:48] <^aDaM> Reading package lists.... error!
[18:48] <^aDaM> Reading package lists... Error!
[18:48] <^aDaM> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[18:48] <^aDaM> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_i18n_Translation-en
[18:48] <^aDaM> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[18:49] <davmor2> ^aDaM: over to someone with more package management skills than me I'm afraid
[18:49] <^aDaM> Hey brobostigon :)
[18:50] <^aDaM> davmor2: Ok thanks anyways :)
[18:50] <^aDaM> brobostigon: Perhaps you could help me? :p
[18:50] <brobostigon> same here, i dont know.
[18:50] <brobostigon> sorry.
[18:50] <^aDaM> aw okay :(
[18:51]  * ^aDaM shouts, GOOOOGLEEE..
[18:51] <ali1234> sudo apt-get update
[18:51]  * ^aDaM shakes ali1234's hand..
[18:51] <brobostigon> ^aDaM: try as ali1234 suggests.
[18:51]  * ^aDaM nods to brobostigon.
[18:52] <brobostigon> ^aDaM: check aswell, to make sure your entries in sources.list are right aswell.
[18:53] <brobostigon> also i would try with aptitude, as it sometimes tend to be better, at resolving inconcsistencies.
[18:53] <^aDaM> Ok thanks brobostigon..
[18:53] <ali1234> gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_i18n_Translation-en isn't a real repo
[18:53] <ali1234> it's actually called gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_universe_i18n_Translation-en%5fGB
[18:53] <brobostigon> ali1234: it is one less thing, to orry about, that might not be right,
[18:53] <^aDaM> I just did sudo apt-get update and got..
[18:53] <^aDaM> http://pastebin.com/LntfrYia
[18:54] <^aDaM> Hmm whats that mean then?
[18:54] <ali1234> not sure
[18:54] <brobostigon> no idea either, sorry.
[18:54] <ali1234> pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list
[18:55] <ali1234> hmm hang on
[18:55] <ali1234> -en is a real repo
[18:55] <^aDaM> k
[18:55] <brobostigon> sources.list*
[18:56] <^aDaM> I tryed /etc/apt/source.list an get bash: /etc/apt/source.list: No such file or directory
[18:56] <brobostigon> ^aDaM: sources.list
[18:57] <ali1234> hmmmmmmmmm
[18:57] <^aDaM> brobostigon: sources.list: command not found
[18:58] <bigcalm> sudo nano -w /etc/apt/source.list
[18:58] <^aDaM> cheers bigcalm :)
[18:58] <bigcalm> Sorry, you want to view it not edit it
[18:58] <bigcalm> cat /etc/apt/source.list
[18:58] <brobostigon> ^aDaM: sudo pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list   and copy the url it outputs.
[18:58] <^aDaM> oh ta bigcalm :D
[18:58] <bigcalm> brobostigon: what a handy util
[18:58] <^aDaM> brobostigon: even better lol
[18:59] <brobostigon> bigcalm: it is yes.
[18:59] <ali1234> well i am confused
[18:59] <ali1234> some repos have Translation-en and some have Translation-en_GB
[18:59] <^aDaM> ahh command not found brobostigon :/
[18:59] <brobostigon> ali1234: pastebinit auto pastebin's its input,
[18:59] <ali1234> natty main does not appear to have a en_GB
[18:59] <ali1234> not on my system anyway
[18:59] <brobostigon> ^aDaM: oh, sorry, i was going to say, can you install it.
[19:00] <^aDaM> what pastebinit ?
[19:00] <ali1234> oh wait yes it does, but it is ignored
[19:00] <brobostigon> ^aDaM: yes.
[19:00] <brobostigon> sudo apt-get install pastebinit.
[19:00] <^aDaM> argh wont let me dl anything :/
[19:00] <^aDaM> thats because my managers messed up..
[19:00] <^aDaM> says problem with MergeList
[19:00] <brobostigon> ^aDaM: doas previously suggested then, use nano, and then copy out the contents.
[19:01] <ali1234> ^aDaM: just delete that file
[19:01] <^aDaM> how? :D
[19:01] <ali1234> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_i18n_Translation-en
[19:01] <ali1234> then run sudo apt-get update again
[19:02] <ali1234> actually don't do that
[19:02] <ali1234> pastebin a copy of the file first
[19:03] <ali1234> i suspect it will contain just some html with a 404 error
[19:03] <^aDaM> http://pastebin.com/YwkX3FbK
[19:04] <ali1234> yeah delete that one too
[19:04] <ali1234> you can delete everything in /var/apt/lists
[19:04] <ali1234> it will just download them again
[19:04] <^aDaM> how ? ali1234.. :
[19:06] <ali1234> rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*Translation-en
[19:06] <^aDaM> Really confusing this lol, I don't understand how it cant work?
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM: it downloaded a file wrong, and it confused itself.
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> it happens sometimes :)
[19:06] <^aDaM> rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*Translation-en
[19:07] <^aDaM> rm: remove write-protected regular file `/var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_multiverse_i18n_Translation-en'?
[19:07] <ali1234> actually the file seriously doesn't exist, at least not on that mirror: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/i18n/
[19:07] <^aDaM> Ok done, that right ?
[19:07] <brobostigon> sudo*
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM: you need to type 'sudo' in front
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM: sudo rm [etc.]
[19:07] <^aDaM> ty
[19:07] <Ricey> evening all
[19:07] <^aDaM> then type y enter?
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM: because only the root user (superuser) can write in that directory (and deleting = writing, really)
[19:08] <^aDaM> k what now ? :D
[19:08] <ali1234> sudo apt-get update
[19:09] <^aDaM> http://pastebin.com/BjWSVDmW
[19:09] <^aDaM> Sweeet!! no Errors with that Merge :)
[19:09] <ali1234> ok all is good
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[19:09] <^aDaM> Thanks MartijnVdS, brobostigon, ali1234 :D
[19:09] <^aDaM> Legends.
[19:09] <^aDaM> Evenings Ricey :)
[19:09] <ali1234> but i still wonder what happened to the -en lists
[19:10] <^aDaM> lets see if Update Manager works now :)
[19:12] <^aDaM> http://i52.tinypic.com/1264fhe.png
[19:12] <^aDaM> Sweeeet!!!
[19:12] <^aDaM> Check it out.
[19:14] <ging> is one of you screens bigger than the other?
[19:15] <Ricey> i keep pressing the wrong buttons!
[19:15] <Ricey> just trying irc on my eee pad transformer!
[19:15] <Ricey> what's the command to get a private chat on irc? i've forgotten
[19:15] <ging> i want 1 of them
[19:15] <ging> can i have it?
[19:15] <Ricey> it's beautiful - i love it
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> Ricey: /msg
[19:15] <Ricey> fraid not ging
[19:16] <Ricey> ;)
[19:16] <^aDaM> ging: Yea, ones a 17inch LCD as prime, and 26inch as LCD/TV :)
[19:16] <ging> Ricey: if you want a private channel you just make a new 1 by joining 1 that doesnt exist then make it invite only
[19:17] <ali1234> 1920x1080 + 1280x1024, 50% scaling
[19:17] <Ricey> ging: thanks, i forgot the /msg bit ;)
[19:17] <^aDaM> lol ali1234 ;)
[19:18] <Ricey> hmm serv is saying msg:unknown command
[19:19] <ging> try /message
[19:19] <ging> or how ever you spell it
[19:22] <Ricey> ging: nope, same, i,m used to just clicking on the person!
[19:23] <shauno> /query is another option
[19:23] <Ricey> ah
[19:23] <Ricey> nope :)
[19:23] <shauno> fun
[19:24] <ging> sounds like the irc client your using is lame
[19:24] <shauno> I think my 3rd option would be a better irc client then :)
[19:26] <Ricey> indeed
[19:26] <Ricey> this was just the first one i found on the android market
[19:27] <DJones> Ricey: Which android client are you using?
[19:27] <Ricey> andchat
[19:28] <DJones> try "yairc" maybe that will be better
[19:28] <Ricey> ok, brb
[19:28] <brobostigon> the one thing i found difficultto find, was when i was looking, was one with nick completion.
[19:28] <^aDaM> I use Android IRC :)
[19:29] <brobostigon> now its just much simpler, to use connectbot, to ssh to my vps, and then open screen + irssi.
[19:30] <Ricey> back
[19:31] <kvarley> Sometimes instead of the usual gksudo window I get another style window asking for sudo password but it doesn't work if I put in my sudo password. How can I get rid of this?
[19:32] <Ricey> hmmm yaaic crashed
[19:33] <Ricey> let's try again
[19:34] <Ricey> crashed again, back on andchat
[19:37] <ging> Ricey: yes i saw your pm you sent
[19:37] <Ricey> hmm, can you pm me?
[19:52] <Ricey> hi, on  real puter now
[19:52] <Ricey> back to normality
[20:03] <^aDaM> Dose anyone know how to make a slideshow of pictures with music in the back ground into .avi format so I can upload it on YouTube? I have tryed using PiTiVi Video Editor, and it seems to only save in .xptv :/
[20:03] <^aDaM> I need to put something on there asap.
[20:04] <^aDaM> What other programmes are there other then pitivi
[20:04] <popey> ^aDaM: xptv is the internal format, you then need to "render" it out to video
[20:04] <popey> click render, choose a format, job done
[20:06] <^aDaM> popey: ah right thanks mate :)
[20:25] <^aDaM> After I have rendered it where dose it save to?
[20:25] <popey> where you tell it
[20:25] <popey> probably ~/Videos by defualt
[20:26] <^aDaM> Can't find it :/
[20:27] <^aDaM> I wen't out when I rendered it come back said it was finished so I closed it :)
[20:27] <^aDaM> And I looked every where lol.
[20:28] <^aDaM> I'm doing it again.. I am rendering the File on my desktop with .xptv on the end is that right? then Render .. I chose 480p.
[20:29] <popey> hang on
[20:29] <popey> am just opening pitivi now to test
[20:30] <popey> you click "render project" and the dialog box comes up, click "Choose file" and thats where you tell it what to save the file as like "output.avi"
[20:31] <^aDaM> thanks popey :D
[20:33] <daubers> lo
[20:33] <popey> Yes
[20:34] <^aDaM> lo daubers
[20:40] <daubers> I've never realised how weird security protocals like oAuth actually are
[20:59] <daubers> AlanBell: Ever written an oauth service in django?
[21:02] <AlanBell> nope
[21:02] <AlanBell> I have written a python app or two that uses oauth through libraries
[21:02] <AlanBell> lplib for example
[21:02] <daubers> That acts as the client?
[21:03] <AlanBell> and tweepy
[21:03] <AlanBell> yes
[21:03] <AlanBell> no idea how to do the other end
[21:03] <daubers> Hmmm.... I want to make my home automation stuff work through my phone, but to make it .... safe.... I need to oauth it really
[21:03] <AlanBell> in fact I have no idea how it works, I just followed the instructions and it did
[21:04] <daubers> Hmmm....
[21:06] <daubers> Looks like an evening or two with a notebook trying to understand it
[21:27] <czajkowski> evening folks
[21:27] <daubers> o/
[21:27] <czajkowski> how are we all doing eh
[21:30] <daubers> czajkowski: confused but good :)
[21:30] <daubers> czajkowski: How's the back?
[21:31] <czajkowski> sore
[21:31] <czajkowski> why confused
[21:31] <czajkowski> go compare
[21:31] <daubers> trying to understand oAuth, there's too many players in this game to make it easily understandible
[21:40] <AlanBell> o/
[21:43] <daubers> AlanBell: With the global Jam, why don't we do something different and organise a set of short courses on various linuxy technologies/security stuff
[21:45] <AlanBell> that would be interesting
[21:45] <AlanBell> the big question is online vs something in the real world
[21:45] <AlanBell> for which a venue of some form would be handy
[21:46] <daubers> real world would be better, but an online side as a plus would be better still
[21:46] <daubers> I'd be very appreciative if someone did a bit on oAuth :)
[21:46] <AlanBell> I bet!
[21:47]  * daubers whistles innocently
[21:50] <czajkowski> we do both
[21:50] <czajkowski> sat face to face
[21:50] <czajkowski> sunday via irc
[21:50] <AlanBell> where?
[21:51] <czajkowski> ireland
[21:51] <czajkowski> we do it at the hackerspace
[21:51] <czajkowski> in dublin
[21:51] <AlanBell> wondering whether we should try to find somewhere in London for everyone to take a train to, or say sod it and do one in Farnham
[21:52] <czajkowski> ask the hacker spaces for help
[21:53] <AlanBell> I was going to take the London hack space a bunch of CDs the other day, will try to do that monday
[21:53] <daubers> I suspect the London hackspace would be open to it (and probably do a talk on something if asked)
[22:00] <daubers> If they would do a talk on building electronically controlled secure door locks that would be amazing \o/
[22:00] <daubers> In one day I could conquer dozens of holes in my understanding
[22:02] <AlanBell> they have two things on Sat 4th Sept http://london.hackspace.org.uk/events/ ~
[22:03] <AlanBell> and they kind of need money
[22:03] <daubers> There's nothing in the building on the sunday (which is the 4th)
[22:04] <AlanBell> http://wiki.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/Laboratory_24 nice space though
[22:04] <daubers> What kind of money?
[22:06] <AlanBell> dunno, but the rent on the place is paid by members, I can't see them wanting a bunch of non-members turning up, doing stuff and going away without some contribution to costs
[22:06] <AlanBell> which we totally can do
[22:06] <daubers> Indeed
[22:07] <czajkowski> AlanBell: we ask the hackerspace for a once off
[22:07] <czajkowski> so it goes to the members
[22:07] <czajkowski> members ok it
[22:07] <czajkowski> and in turn they can come in and learn stuff
[22:08] <czajkowski> equaly they can give a talk
[22:08] <daubers> (and teach stuff)
[22:08] <daubers> and potentially recruit new members
[22:08] <czajkowski> the idea is meant to be ubuntu related so really we tend to keep it that way
[22:10] <daubers> czajkowski: But shurley open collaboration is Ubuntu related .......
[22:10] <czajkowski> well it depends what you want from the day imo
[22:10] <czajkowski> we set out tasks of what we wnat to get done
[22:11] <czajkowski> be it learn how to report bugs as 3 did the last time
[22:11] <czajkowski> 2 wanted to clean up the wiki
[22:11] <czajkowski> and 2 wanted to update bugs
[22:11] <czajkowski> we also want  new members so some of the hacker space people popped in
[22:11] <czajkowski> if they are interested great
[22:11] <czajkowski> if not fine
[22:11] <czajkowski> but we appreciate their space as its free
[22:11] <czajkowski> diluating the day into a set of talks isnt what a ugj is about
[22:12] <czajkowski> we also used to hold a set of talks on logging into lp
[22:13] <czajkowski> signing the coc
[22:13] <czajkowski> how to find bite size bugs
[22:13] <czajkowski> each team is different
[22:14] <czajkowski> make the uk one suit ye is all i can say, ireland is a lot smaller so we do things differently which has worked out well in the past for us
[22:16]  * daubers throws an email out to the world
[22:17] <daubers> Shame it's not in the next month or so. We've just bought a new building at work and it's going to remain largley empty for about 12 weeks while plans are made on how to kit it out. Would have been a useful space to use
[22:18] <AlanBell> I will see if I can pop in with those CDs next week, should be in London Monday and Wednesday, but fairly busy both days
[22:19] <czajkowski> daubers: nothing to stop the team having a dry run
[22:19] <AlanBell> would like to see them and give them something before asking for a free venue
[22:19] <daubers> czajkowski: Theale might be a bit out the way for a lot of people
[22:19] <AlanBell> London is out of the way for a lot of people
[22:19] <AlanBell> just equally out of the way for everyone
[22:20] <AlanBell> theale looks way more convenient than London for me
[22:21] <czajkowski> nothing stopping having lots of ugjs either
[22:21] <daubers> I'll ask the boss on Monday if we can borrow the new bit for a weekend while it's empty
[22:21] <AlanBell> cool
[22:21] <czajkowski> as sure enough someone is gonna whinge on the list waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa it's in london
[22:21] <czajkowski> at which point i shall snap and say go organise o9ne in your local area
[22:22] <daubers> UGJ is about the time we want the builders to be ripping walls down, so might not be doable then :)
[22:22]  * AlanBell does not want czajkowski to snap
[22:22] <daubers> czajkowski: Don't snap! Bribe!
[22:22] <czajkowski> herd
[22:22] <czajkowski> whip
[22:22] <czajkowski> prod
[22:23] <czajkowski> cattle prod
[22:23] <czajkowski> where is Davmor2 when i need him
[22:23] <daubers> AlanBell: London has a lot more public transport links than Theale :) Though we should really throw together a car sharing type website for these events
[22:23] <daubers> in a "insert your route and see who you pass close too" kinda way
[22:23] <AlanBell> daubers: theale is driveable, London isn't
[22:23] <AlanBell> so it is easy
[22:24] <AlanBell> and there is a theale rail station for people who like trains
[22:25] <AlanBell> not sure how important public transport is vs parking space for this LoCo
[22:25] <daubers> AlanBell: Closest station to my office is Aldermaston (about a 25 minute walk along narrow roads away)
[22:27] <daubers> However, it's 5 mins in the car :)
[22:27] <daubers> Out of interest, is anyone in here going to Oggcamp from the Reading/Tilehurst area? I have space in my car if people don't mind turning up early/leaving late
[22:30] <daubers> AlanBell: We could always do something using the google+ "hangout" thing
[22:31] <daubers> mass video+voice meeting
[22:32] <AlanBell> yup, could do
[22:33] <AlanBell> I don't really care about sticking to the official global dates
[22:33] <AlanBell> plenty of other teams don't
[22:34] <daubers> I'll ask work about the space, there's no firm plans on when stuff is happening at the moment as my boss keeps going abroad on short notice, so planning stuff takes a long time!
[22:35] <daubers> Might end up full of components by the end of the week after next the way things are going :(
[22:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> hello
[22:36] <daubers> o/
[22:37]  * daubers heads off to bed
[22:37] <daubers> to dream of an oAuth based control system for his lighting and door access
[22:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> sado
[22:39] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Unfortunatly true, however maybe I'll understand how it works by the morning
[22:39] <daubers> Night!
[22:43] <hcfd> Hi guys. I feel silly. I'm trying to get tftpd running (via xinet.d) under Ubuntu 10.04, and the service is running but port 69 is not listening. Any hints?
[23:03] <popey> AlanBell: how did you do oath in python? which libs?
[23:09] <AlanBell> popey: lplib does it for you
[23:09] <AlanBell> as does tweepy
[23:10] <AlanBell> http://tweepy.github.com/examples/basic_auth.html
[23:11] <AlanBell> https://github.com/tweepy/tweepy/blob/master/tweepy/auth.py
[23:11] <AlanBell> night all
[23:12] <popey> nn