[07:28] <dz0ny> CrazyLemon: lahko jim rečeš da v eu dobimo sam netestirano robo
[07:28] <dz0ny> me zanima kolk so jih stran vrgl :D
[08:57] <CrazyLemon> dz0ny česa?
[08:57] <CrazyLemon> rama?
[09:39] <CrazyLemon> https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/10/announcing-fast-pair-effortless.html
[09:39] <jabuk> Android Developers Blog:Announcing Fast Pair - effortless Bluetooth pairing for Android
[10:17] <dz0ny> CrazyLemon: yep
[11:28] <zdobbie> .btc eur
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[11:28] <zdobbie> lol
[15:48] <CrazyLemon> gearbest ma akcijo.. če kdo rabi stuff, ki ga dejansko ne rabi
[15:48] <CrazyLemon> https://www.gearbest.com/m-promotion-active-152.html
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[15:49] <CrazyLemon> like..100 M ledic :)
[16:41] <Matthai> idioterna, tukaj?
[21:01] <dz0ny> https://i.imgur.com/N5kJfgT.png


[01:30] <duflu> robert_ancell, I was in the middle of an Xmir adventure before the news and now have a bunch of fixes committed. Shall we release them?
[01:30] <duflu> bregma__, ^ ?
[01:38] <robert_ancell> duflu, release xmir?
[01:39] <duflu> robert_ancell: Yes
[01:39] <robert_ancell> duflu, into zesty? It's closed
[01:39] <duflu> Oh, of course
[01:39] <duflu> I always fail to check the schedule
[01:40] <duflu> Pity. I think I did more Xmir work these past two days than the rest of the past year
[01:42] <bregma__> it'll still be there to release into Z+1 if we get the chance
[01:43] <duflu> No problem. Releasing the work is slightly less important than having a large task half done.
[01:44] <duflu> or half undone
[07:41] <alan_g> AlbertA: what time zone are you in today?
[07:45] <AlbertA> the same one as yesterday :)
[07:48] <alan_g> Trouble sleeping?


[00:04] <Perigee> Orioa: Did you try #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[00:05] <Perigee> Orioa: There's 335 people over there right now
[00:05] <Orioa> no
[00:05] <Perigee> That's the official support channel
[00:05] <Orioa> ok ty
[00:05] <Perigee> Np
[00:05] <Orioa> will have to try to get there
[04:02] <Perigee> pleia2: I watched your presentation on Xubuntu and you mentioned a group on LinkedIn. I can't seem to find it. Do you have a link?
[10:53] <juzles> hi, can someone help me how to upgrade to 16.10? I tried using "do-release-upgrade -d" but it says that I'm already on the latest version
[10:54] <knome> juzles, what does "lsb_release -a" tell you?
[10:54] <juzles> 16.04 xenial
[10:56] <flocculant> juzles: http://docs.xubuntu.org/1604/user/C/managing-applications.html#update-configuration
[10:56] <knome> is your upgrade path LTS only? http://docs.xubuntu.org/1604/user/C/migrating-upgrading.html#changing-upgrade-path[M#d4
[10:57] <flocculant> check the Notifications of New Xubuntu bit at the bottom
[10:57] <knome> flocculant, hey, we found a place for a nice cross-reference link :P
[10:57] <flocculant> :)
[11:00] <juzles> thanks :)
[11:01] <flocculant> np
[11:03] <knome> well actually there already seems to be a xref, but it could be better
[15:46] <shinichi> hello
[15:46] <shinichi> i am unable to play .m4v files in vlc media player
[15:59] <shinichi> INVITE
[16:08] <knome> shinichi, have you installed xubuntu-restricted-extras?
[16:19] <wook_> so i discovered what was making those artifacts appear on my screen in 14.04 the other day...firefox...surprise surprise...
[22:18] <xubuntu89w> Hello Xubuntu team.
[22:20] <xubuntu89w> Is someone here? I've got a cursory problem... haha.
[22:20] <xubuntu89w> Basically after my laptop quits the cursor disappears. It still works, but there's no pic.
[22:21] <xubuntu89w> Do you know how to make it stop.
[22:21] <xubuntu89w> ?
[22:21] <Unit193> https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-16-04-release/ has a few options in 'known issues'
[23:53] <xubuntu73w> Hi can someone help me install a package?
[23:54] <xubuntu73w> Is anyone on?
[23:54] <knome> xubuntu73w, ask the question
[23:55] <xubuntu73w> Brand new to this. I want to install https://dman95.github.io/SASM/english.html
[23:55] <xubuntu73w> I downloaded the .deb file
[23:55] <xubuntu73w> but I get a ton of dependency issues
[23:56] <xubuntu73w> I'm trying to install this way, sudo dpkg -i fileName
[23:58] <xubuntu73w> ?
[23:59] <knome> so it something going wrong with it?
[23:59] <knome> what does the installation guide for SASM say?


[12:28] <gnomefreak> ok im logged into jabber acocunt i think (dont know how to use it though) one of these days ill figure it out
[12:28] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: what is your sn
[12:29] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak i think
[12:29] <gnomefreak> it just says localhost (0/0)
[12:30] <asac> gnomefreak: you could just use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[12:30] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm not seeing you...looking
[12:30] <gnomefreak> its says im available
[12:30] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll look again
[12:30] <asac> gnomefreak: what domain did you choose?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> localhost i think
[12:30] <Admiral_Chicago> JABBER - Error: Jabber Error: No such user<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:30] <gnomefreak> try gnomefreak@localhost
[12:31] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@localhost
[12:31] <gnomefreak> thats it afaict
[12:31] <gnomefreak> atleast from the accounts area
[12:32] <Admiral_Chicago> tryingto authorize...
[12:32] <asac> gnomefreak: you did wrong
[12:32] <asac> gnomefreak: you have to create an account at a jabber provider
[12:32] <asac> localhost won't bring you anywhere
[12:33] <Admiral_Chicago> asac<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you want to add me
[12:33] <Admiral_Chicago> you it says 404...
[12:33] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: done
[12:33] <asac> gnomefreak: localhost is none-sense
[12:34] <asac> choose a provider
[12:34] <Admiral_Chicago> great, message me so i can authenticate.
[12:34] <asac> gnomefreak: http://www.jabber.org/user/publicservers.shtml
[12:34] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: authenticate? GPG you mean?
[12:34] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: you should have received and authorization request already
[12:35] <Admiral_Chicago> sure...
[12:35] <Admiral_Chicago> i havent got anything
[12:35] <asac> hmmm
[12:35] <Admiral_Chicago> bbbiab
[12:35] <asac> i get service-unavailable atm
[12:35] <asac> maybe a temporarily peering problem
[12:35] <asac> my nick is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:36] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: yeah ... i have problems with other jabber.com nicks in my list lately as well
[12:38] <gnomefreak> ok working on it
[12:39] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: i added you to my jabber.org account as well now
[12:40] <asac> hmm maybe jabber.com has problems? I still get wierd errors even though I am going through jabber.org
[12:40] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: you received anything?
[12:40] <asac> try to add<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as well
[12:42] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: brb
[12:46] <gnomefreak> ok i think im here
[12:47] <gnomefreak><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:49] <gnomefreak> how the hell do i read it
[12:51] <asac> gnomefreak: it worked
[12:51] <gnomefreak> yep :)
[12:51] <Admiral_Chicago> great...pidgin crashes on me
[12:51] <gnomefreak> i had to remove ~/.gajim
[12:51] <asac> gnomefreak: can you please add<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as well?
[12:51] <Admiral_Chicago> oh well. am i online though?
[12:51] <asac> gnomefreak: that is my main account
[12:51] <gnomefreak> asac: yes
[12:52] <gnomefreak> ok i sent request
[12:52] <gnomefreak> it sent even
[12:53] <asac> ok i see gnomefreak online ... but not Admiral_Chicago
[12:53] <gnomefreak> he logged off
[12:53] <gnomefreak> should i add gpg key info to this?
[12:53] <asac> ah ok
[12:53] <asac> gnomefreak: if you want :)
[12:54] <asac> I use the "Mobile Key"
[12:54] <asac> you should be able to find it by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> no i'm on...
[12:54] <gnomefreak> did he log back in
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm on but i'm not sure...
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> something is messed up because it makes it look like everyone is offline
[12:55] <gnomefreak> you have away message up when i logged off
[12:55] <gnomefreak> it has a 2 next to youa d
[12:55] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago:
[12:57] <asac> my gpg key is DCF833D4
[12:57] <asac> pub   1024D/DCF833D4 2005-01-27 [expires: 2010-01-26]
[12:57] <asac> uid                  Alexander Sack - Mobile Key - Insecure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:57] <asac> uid                  Alexander Sack (Mobile Key - Insecure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:57] <asac> uid                  Alexander Sack (Mobile Key - Insecure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:57] <asac> uid                  Alexander Sack (Mobile Key - Insecure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:57] <asac> uid                  Alexander Sack (Mobile Key - Insecure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:58] <asac> uid                  Alexander Sack (Mobile Key - Insecure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> why do i have to keep requesting authorization from people?
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> !jabber
[12:58] <ubotu> jabber is a free and open source instant messaging protocol, unlike MSN and AIM. Supporting clients on Linux: Kopete (KDE), Gaim (GNOME). For more info see http://www.jabber.org
[12:58] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: you usually don't need to
[12:58] <asac> ... just once
[12:59] <gnomefreak> i had to do it 2 for asac and 1 time for Admiral_Chicago
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago> i think its pidgin.
[12:59] <asac> its interesting that the most enhanced clients 'psi' and 'gajim' are not listed there
[12:59] <asac> gnomefreak: you did it twice for me because you added jabber.org  + jabber.ccc.de :)
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago> might be a bug.
[01:00] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[01:00] <asac> yes gaim is not really enhanced on jabber
[01:00] <asac> its good if you use other protocols though
[01:00] <asac> if you use kde you would want to use PSI which uses Qt
[01:00] <asac> and implements almost all jabber features
[01:00] <asac> for gnome its gajim
[01:00] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll try that...
[01:01] <gnomefreak> this reminds me alot like gaim
[01:01] <asac> both ship gpg support out of the box
[01:01] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah i think thats the intention of the name gajim :)
[01:01] <gnomefreak> :) good point
[01:02] <asac> interstingly, gaim is now pidgin ... bug gajim stays :)
[01:02] <gnomefreak> yep
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> !gpg
[01:04] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> i need to regenerate a key
[01:04] <asac> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/559905
[01:05] <asac> i updated the text a bit
[01:05] <asac> but please lets go over it again tomorrow
[01:05] <asac> i just didn't want to loose my changes
[01:06] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^^
[01:07] <gnomefreak> k
[01:09] <gnomefreak> am i away on jabbas?
[01:12] <gnomefreak> jabber even
[01:13] <gnomefreak> asac: ok saved your settings locally and we can review it tomorrow or later this week i have a few appointments tomorrow
[01:15] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah you are away :)
[01:15] <gnomefreak> yeah i fixed it
[01:15] <asac> gajim has some problems recently to detect your activity from X session
[01:16] <asac> gnomefreak: Admiral_Chicago do java applets work for you in gutsy?
[01:16] <gnomefreak> asac: that java bug from this morning?
[01:17] <asac> no
[01:17] <asac> i mean in general?
[01:17] <gnomefreak> i think so
[01:17] <asac> does java plugin work for you at all
[01:17] <asac> can you verify that please
[01:17] <gnomefreak> java.com works fine here
[01:17] <asac> its most important that it works
[01:18] <asac> gnomefreak: you can play games?
[01:18] <gnomefreak> give me a few and ill try pogo
[01:21] <gnomefreak> waiting for it to load
[01:22] <gnomefreak> mother
[01:22] <gnomefreak> telling me i dont have plugin to play
[01:23] <gnomefreak> iirc this works fine in iceape
[01:23] <gnomefreak> thats what i was using to play
[01:23] <gnomefreak> did this start with plugin finder update?
[01:24] <gnomefreak> same issue from the bug this morning
[01:24] <gnomefreak> still hasnt tested java5 that will have to wait till tomorrow
[01:25] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for a while, i might peep in later but i doubt it
[01:25] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: i'm not on Gutdsy yet. i need a stable maching atm
[01:25] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: does it work on feisty?
[01:26] <Admiral_Chicago> never had a problem with java applets, i'm using java 6
[01:26] <gnomefreak> maybe check if it works with java5 and java6
[01:26] <gnomefreak> or jusdt java6
[01:26] <Admiral_Chicago> someone hava a link?
[01:27] <gnomefreak> yeah its on that damn bug
[01:27] <gnomefreak> dont remember it though
[01:27] <gnomefreak> i just tried pogo.com but you need account
[01:27] <gnomefreak> ok really gone now
[01:32] <asac> feisty is not what bothers me
[01:32] <asac> its just gutsy
[01:32] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: you should be able to test in a gutsy chroot though.
[01:33] <asac> but if you don't want to setup one ... no problem as well.
[01:33] <asac> ok i am off
[01:33] <asac> its late
[01:33] <asac> night
[01:43] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll have to look at chroors.
[01:43] <Admiral_Chicago> i've never played with chroots
[09:46] <gnomefreak> bug 119955
[09:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119955 in firefox "Firefox responds so slowly " [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119955
[09:59] <gnomefreak> asac: iirc you had wanted to change the way iceape builds, while your looking at the conflicts are you gonna change it or are you gonna wait a while?
[09:59] <asac> i wanted to change the way iceape builds
[09:59] <asac> ??
[09:59] <asac> please refresh my memory
[10:02] <gnomefreak> you had me grab diffs and post them on my site, you never explained what you were gonna change but you had said you wanted to change it
[10:03] <gnomefreak> here are the diffs incase you forgot and maybe they will refresh your memory http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/
[10:05] <asac> gnomefreak: i am sorry ... i am completely lost
[10:06] <asac> maybe we can dig some irc log context, so I can remember?
[10:06] <asac> when was tah?
[10:08] <gnomefreak> 2007-04-24
[10:08] <gnomefreak> we talked about it that day.
[10:09] <gnomefreak> !logs
[10:09] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[10:10] <Admiral_Chicago> i think the movement of tabbed windows is greatly improved in Fx trunk
[10:10] <Admiral_Chicago> much easier to use than a little arrow for all the information
[10:15] <gnomefreak> it looks like ubuntulog was offline that day for most of it so there are no longs for it there :(
[10:15] <gnomefreak> i believe it was early to mid afternoon my time EST
[10:15] <gnomefreak> its only 4:15 :(
[10:17] <Admiral_Chicago> ah no i don't have them...sorry
[10:17] <Admiral_Chicago> there was a two week period when i used konversation, didn't log then
[10:17] <Admiral_Chicago> switched back to irssi with logging...
[10:23] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: so you are testing trunk ... nice!
[10:23] <asac> if you have any issues, bug reports are welcome
[10:23] <asac> in fact upstream wants us to provide feedback
[10:26] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: trunk update in repo btw
[10:26] <Admiral_Chicago> bug 118586 is a feature afaik
[10:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118586 in firefox "Firefox halts keyboard scrolling after embedded Flash video" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118586
[10:26] <Admiral_Chicago> flash needs to steal the focus for stuff like games etc.
[10:26] <gnomefreak> that bug was in my inbox this mornig
[10:27] <Admiral_Chicago> i've had no issues so far asac, some UI feedback really
[10:27] <Admiral_Chicago> but i can get to that in the morning....
[10:27] <asac> actually i don't have that issue with gnash
[10:27] <gnomefreak> is there a cnertal place for feedback or do we report ubgs
[10:27] <asac> so i assume its a nonfree-flashplayer issue
[10:27] <asac> (though I couldn't verify that its really like the bug report claims)
[10:28] <asac> gnomefreak: we report bugs
[10:28] <asac> gnomefreak: we have to push firefox-preview
[10:28] <asac> so we have a package where we can file bugs in lp against
[10:28] <Admiral_Chicago> basically, when you enter the area of the embedded flash video (could be a sound clip, video game, video)
[10:28] <gnomefreak> asac: i have firefox-trunk built for gutsy
[10:28] <Admiral_Chicago> it takes focus i case its like a video game that needs teh arrow keys for example
[10:28] <gnomefreak> by mistake but its built
[10:29] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm thinking the way flash is interpreted is one element that can't diffirentiate between the types of content
[10:29] <asac> gnomefreak: did you need any modifications?
[10:29] <asac> .e.g for latest trunk?
[10:29] <gnomefreak> asac: nope
[10:29] <asac> or just whats in current bzr
[10:29] <asac> good
[10:30] <gnomefreak> current bzr but built for 20070608
[10:30] <asac> i will create a 'preview' branch then ... which we can use to prepare the -preview package
[10:30] <Admiral_Chicago> this is likely due to the way flash player reads embbeded content...but not our issue
[10:30] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: maybe
[10:31] <Admiral_Chicago> i can say +1 that this is a feature
[10:31] <asac> however ... taking the focus without a click (or a mouse-wheel spin) is not nice, right?
[10:31] <gnomefreak> asac: renaming the packge will prevent upgrade to succeed
[10:31] <Admiral_Chicago> occurs in Windows XP + firefox
[10:31] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure if it happens in Vista + IE, nor do I care...
[10:31] <asac> gnomefreak: its ment to be a separate package ... e.g. people should not automatically upgrade from -trunk to -preview
[10:31] <gnomefreak> k
[10:32] <asac> as people that use -trunk want the latest and get regular CVS updates
[10:32] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: from other OSs I can this is expected behavior from flash player.
[10:32] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: feel free to explain that in bug and reject it
[10:32] <Admiral_Chicago> will do
[10:32] <asac> tell them about game :)
[10:33] <asac> if the reporter insists then it should be reassigned to flashplayer-nonfree
[10:38] <Admiral_Chicago> done
[10:38] <Admiral_Chicago> and let them reject it...
[10:39] <gnomefreak> is there anyone actively working on flsah bugs?
[10:39] <gnomefreak> i havent seen any real actions on them in a long time
[10:40] <asac> gnomefreak: me :)
[10:40] <gnomefreak> ah :)
[10:40] <asac> actually i have to touch the package soon
[10:40] <Admiral_Chicago> freddy@omg-gnus:~$ bugnumbers -p flashplugin-nonfree
[10:40] <asac> like in free-flash spec
[10:40] <Admiral_Chicago> what the heck...
[10:40] <Admiral_Chicago> bug 50839
[10:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50839 in flashplugin-nonfree "If the mouse is hold on a flash animation keyboard and mouse scrolling stop to work" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50839
[10:40] <Admiral_Chicago> didn't i just reject a similar bug...
[10:41] <Admiral_Chicago> looking now..
[10:42] <Admiral_Chicago> odd that they have upsteam bug tracker
[10:43] <Admiral_Chicago> would bug 49613 be a candidate for high priority...
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 49613 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash plugin always rendered on top of html" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49613
[10:43] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm going to bed
[10:45] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: night
[11:10] <gnomefreak> night Admiral_Chicago
[11:11] <hjmf> night Admiral_Chicago, morning the rest of you :)
[11:12] <DarkMageZ> with ubuntu feisty. i've got libnspr-dev & libnspr4 & firefox-dev installed but diamond-x plugin runs into a compiler issue with nspr http://pastebin.ca/560994
[11:13] <gnomefreak> morning hjmf
[11:23] <gnomefreak> asac: trunk is alpha6
[11:23] <gnomefreak> atleast that is what it says in help>about
[11:26] <asac> yes ... thats next release
[11:29] <gnomefreak> next release will be alpha7 or beta or rc not sure how they do version names like that
[11:29] <gnomefreak> 6 released already
[11:38] <asac> 6 released?
[11:38] <asac> is it on ftp servers?
[11:38] <asac> afaik we have code freeze today for alpha6
[11:38] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^ ?
[11:41] <gnomefreak> from what help>about says its alpha 6
[11:42] <gnomefreak> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20070611 GranParadiso/3.0a6pre
[11:42] <gnomefreak> maybe thats pre alpha?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> the release notes page gives a 404 so i was unable to see what has been done
[11:56] <asac> yeah ... they bump version info before release
[11:56] <asac> anyway its not alpha6 ... since its not released yet
[11:56] <asac> there might still be changes for blockers landing
[11:57] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[12:04] <asac> no its ok
[12:04] <asac> but thats the way it works
[12:04] <asac> the bump version before they freeze
[12:04] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:04] <asac> and wait if any serious issues pop up before they release
[12:05] <gnomefreak> is there a way to tell without going to search mozilla site if its been released or if its pre-release
[12:33] <asac> blog
[12:33] <asac> probably mozillazine news feed should be enough if you don't want to subscribe to mozilla planet
[12:34] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:37] <gnomefreak> asac: you may need to hang around for a little it
[12:37] <gnomefreak> bit
[12:37] <gnomefreak> this issue may be really bad
[12:37] <gnomefreak> hi bharat862004
[12:37] <bharat862004> hi
[12:38] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: try a new profile see if it starts than. is this in feisty?
[12:38] <bharat862004> ok let me tell u the whole problem
[12:38] <gnomefreak> good idea
[12:42] <bharat862004> i'm using ubuntu 6.06 version... and i can recover back by firefox by replacing with new profile by using this command " mv /.mozilla /.mozilla.bak " ..... and when i install this add-on ("IMAGELIKEOPERA") and after changing the settings of this add-on when i restart my firefox i get this error " error launching browser window:no XBL binding for browser "... i'm using this add-on so images won
[12:42] <bharat862004> won't be loaded when i visit adult site.... this is the whole problem now.
[12:43] <bharat862004> i have already downlaod the latest version of firefox and its in firefox.tar.gz format.
[12:44] <bharat862004> gnomefreak: r u their ???
[12:44] <gnomefreak> have you tried flash and or java to view the images. that extension isnt supported by ubuntu so you would have to file a bug with the maker of that extension. in dapper <IP_ADDRESS> shouldnt have this issue
[12:44] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: yes im typing
[12:44] <bharat862004> u mean i cannot use that add-on ??
[12:45] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: as for the extension you wont beablet o use it with firefox sinces it stopping it from working.
[12:45] <bharat862004> on my ubuntu 6.06
[12:45] <bharat862004> gnomefreak: do u have any alternative ?
[12:46] <bharat862004> gnomefreak: what if i install the latest version of firefox and then try to use the add-on.... that should work i guess ?
[12:46] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: yes its conflicting with something firefox uses. i have never heard of it and im fairly sure you didnt find it at mozilla.com/org so you would have to talk to the extensions writer/maintainer for a fix for that. give me a site you cant view images on and i should beablet o tell you what you need, most of time java or flash work fine
[12:46] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: no
[12:47] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: the extension is the issue not the version of firefox
[12:47] <bharat862004> gnomefreak: i found that add-on on mozilla.com/org site dude
[12:47] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: can i have link please
[12:47] <bharat862004> ok
[12:47] <gnomefreak> asac: you have link to planet mozilla
[12:48] <asac> http://planet.mozilla.org/
[12:48] <gnomefreak> ty :)
[12:48] <gnomefreak> asac: have you heard of the above extension?
[12:49] <bharat862004> ok this is the add-on i am talking about link " https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1672 "
[12:49] <gnomefreak> brb looking
[12:49] <bharat862004> ok
[12:51] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: its the same extension version for all of 2.0.0.* releases as well as 1.5.* releases im willing to bet it wont work on 2.0 either.
[12:51] <bharat862004> gnomefreak: holy $hit
[12:51] <bharat862004> i need that badly
[12:51] <gnomefreak> you need to contact the owner of the extension to help you fix it
[12:52] <bharat862004> gnomefreak: i have one doubt do u work for mozilla ????????
[12:52] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: we cant support non ubuntu packaged extensions as there are so damn many and alot fo them are written badly or nonfree, ect...
[12:52] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: no we are ubuntu-mozilla
[12:53] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: mozilla wont support that one either
[12:53] <bharat862004> gnomefreak: so u get paid for it right ???
[12:53] <gnomefreak> you need to contact the owner of it
[12:53] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: no
[12:53] <bharat862004> ok now i hav other problem
[12:53] <gnomefreak> want someone that gets paid for it to repeat what i said?
[12:55] <bharat862004> i have downlaoded firefox.tar.gz file coz i cannot download firefox every time separately from repositories.... as i have limited bandwidth usage.... so how do i install from firefox.tar.gz file.... i need to update my firefox
[12:55] <gnomefreak> !firefox
[12:55] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[12:55] <gnomefreak> go to the firefoxnewversion
[12:55] <gnomefreak> link
[12:56] <bharat862004> i already have downloaded the file its in *.tar.gz format
[12:56] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: read the link it gives you step by step instructions on how to do it (or you can unpack tar cd into new dir and run ./firefox
[12:56] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: the link is pretty much copy and paste
[12:58] <bharat862004> the command ./firefox is not working dude
[12:59] <bharat862004> gnomefreak: u their ??
[12:59] <gnomefreak> than your not cd'ed into the new dir after unpacking it. hint easy way use my repo
[01:00] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: i have 2.0 backported to dapper in my repo so when EOS comes for 1.5 branch we can backport itto backport repos
[01:00] <bharat862004> u dont understand my problem.... i cannot do that everything... i have limited bandwidht usage re
[01:01] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: downloading the tar takes more bacnwidth. but you get the tar unpack it cd into new dir and run ./firefox it will work as i do it here every day
[01:02] <bharat862004> ok tell me how to go about from the beginning i have the firefox.tar.gz.... next ???
[01:02] <gnomefreak> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: firefox-bin[27194] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[01:02] <gnomefreak> might get that but it still runs
[01:03] <bharat862004> ok thanks anyways i will go now :)
[01:03] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: unpack the tarball tar -zvxf firefox....tar.gz replace firefox.... with name
[01:03] <bharat862004> ok tell me
[01:03] <gnomefreak> than cd firefox
[01:03] <gnomefreak> if that is name of dir.
[01:03] <bharat862004> ok next ?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> than ./firefox
[01:04] <bharat862004> where should i run that command "./firefox ?
[01:04] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@GutsyGibbon:~/upstream_ffox/firefox$ ./firefox
[01:04] <gnomefreak> your dirs will be different or might be
[01:05] <gnomefreak> since i made upstream_ffox dir to keep ~/ clean
[01:05] <gnomefreak> once you unpack it you will see a dir named firefox
[01:05] <gnomefreak> cd firefox
[01:05] <gnomefreak> than ./firefox
[01:05] <bharat862004> ok
[01:05] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: make sure all firefoxs are closed first
[01:05] <bharat862004> ko
[01:06] <bharat862004> ok updated.... but got hell lot of warning and error's in the terminal.... $hit
[01:07] <bharat862004> trying my luck with the add-on now... wait
[01:07] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: its not updated its just running
[01:07] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: you would need to follow the instructions on the link i gave above to use extension
[01:08] <gnomefreak> or add it to upstream build that you are running but thats harder than it sounds
[01:08] <bharat862004> what ??? u mean its not installed... its just running from the firefox folder.... ???????
[01:08] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: yes
[01:09] <bharat862004> oh no
[01:09] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: you HAVE to follow the instructions on the link i gave you to install it
[01:09] <bharat862004> ok tell me what 2 do now... i am listening to u
[01:09] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: READ the link please
[01:10] <bharat862004> ok reading
[01:10] <gnomefreak> asac: did you get sunbird built ok?
[01:10] <gnomefreak> im catching up on the feeds and looks like there will be a rc2
[01:12] <gnomefreak> oh that cant be good. seamonkey branding is no longer free   << as in firefox or tbirds
[01:15] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah :)
[01:15] <bharat862004> gnomefreak: thats a pretty long procedure they have mentioned just to update or install the latest version of firefox... :(
[01:15] <asac> gnomefreak: i remember exactly how the seamonkey council swear that it will stay free
[01:16] <asac> i said ' i don't believe you, we are going iceape'
[01:16] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: its not suppported by ubuntu so it wont be too easy
[01:16] <asac> they said: trust me
[01:16] <asac> i said: like we trust your previously firefox branding policy? no go!
[01:16] <gnomefreak> i thought they were keeping it free too
[01:16] <gnomefreak> this blows chunks
[01:16] <asac> bharat862004: why don't you use our package?
[01:16] <bharat862004> so i cannot install or update my existing verion of firefox in ubuntu 6.06... right ?
[01:16] <gnomefreak> asac: bandwidth he said
[01:17] <gnomefreak> bharat862004: not unless you use our repo or wait untill its backported
[01:17] <asac> bharat862004: are you a brave guy ... or just want to have a stable environment ? ... otherwise you could try our dapper backport :)
[01:17] <asac> e.g. try backports if you feel brave
[01:17] <gnomefreak> asac: he thinks it will help his extension
[01:17] <bharat862004> ok i am ready to use the repository method also ... tell me ?
[01:17] <asac> what kind of extension is that?
[01:17] <gnomefreak> the extension is trash
[01:18] <asac> bharat862004: be warned ... it might upgrade a lot applications for you
[01:18] <bharat862004> ok i'm not bothered about my extension now... just wanna update the firefox.... that's it :)
[01:18] <gnomefreak> asac: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1672
[01:18] <asac> bharat862004: what version do you want?
[01:18] <bharat862004> latest version....
[01:19] <asac> so latest 1.5.0.x version is not latest for you?
[01:19] <bharat862004> hope that does not take to much time to update firefox :)
[01:19] <asac> you want latest 2.0.0.x ?
[01:19] <asac> bharat862004: if you don't have time better don't use our repos
[01:19] <bharat862004> asac: yes... i guess that suppose to be the latest ? isnt it ?
[01:19] <asac> depends :)
[01:19] <bharat862004> asac: I HAVE TIME
[01:20] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS> is latest 1.5 version
[01:20] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS> is latest 2.0 version
[01:20] <asac> 3.0 alpha5 is latest 3.0 version :)
[01:20] <DarkMageZ> plugin isn't 3.0 happy
[01:20] <bharat862004> asac: stop playing games now :)
[01:20] <gnomefreak> ah its .3
[01:22] <asac> should work
[01:22] <asac> bharat862004: if you add our repo, do an apt-get update
[01:22] <gnomefreak> will find out this afternoon
[01:22] <asac> then do a apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:23] <asac> but DON'T confirm that you want to go ahead
[01:23] <DarkMageZ> um, dappers handling of control files is lesser than feistys. so no $source-version
[01:23] <asac> show us what apt wants to do, so we can at least see if something obvious break
[01:23] <DarkMageZ> and other things like that
[01:23] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: <IP_ADDRESS> i already backported :)
[01:23] <asac> gnomefreak: yes ... right ... we needed to fix control
[01:23] <gnomefreak> asac: yep
[01:24] <gnomefreak> iirc we had to do that with .3 as well
[01:24] <gnomefreak> it was the - and : change iirc
[01:25] <DarkMageZ> is there any news on if the ubuntu guys are going to start building their apps against libxul instead of firefox? so you'll beable to break firefox api/abi with cool updates without breaking their apps?
[01:28] <bharat862004> ok guys i give up... i am sticking to my default version of firefox.... :)
[01:29] <DarkMageZ> bharat862004, what was your problem with that plugin? i've been playing around with it for afew minutes.
[01:29] <bharat862004> nothing much :)
[01:30] <bharat862004> sometimes linux is screwed up... but still i like linux dont know y... :(
[01:33] <bharat862004> :-P
[01:34] <bharat862004> is their anything u would like to say before i leave O:-)
[01:35] <DarkMageZ> it's probably time for a clean install. careful with admin apps & commands as they can and will do damage if used incorrectly.
[01:36] <DarkMageZ> feisty has lots of bug fixes and cool new stuff like flash 9
[01:36] <DarkMageZ> and firefox 2 :P
[01:36] <bharat862004> i recently installed ubuntu.... so its already clean :P
[01:36] <bharat862004> not concerned about firefox 2 :P
[01:36] <bharat862004> lol
[01:37] <gnomefreak> asac: do you read planet ubuntu?
[01:37] <DarkMageZ> if firefox is crashing on startup, something is wrong. have you managed to remove that plugin?
[01:37] <bharat862004> mv /.moziila /.mozilla.bak
[01:37] <bharat862004> by changing the profile
[01:37] <bharat862004> isnt that the correct way ???????
[01:37] <bharat862004> :P
[01:38] <DarkMageZ> that'll do
[01:39] <bharat862004> bot
[01:39] <bharat862004> ubotu
[01:39] <bharat862004> ubuntu
[01:39] <bharat862004> mozilla
[01:39] <bharat862004> bot isnt working ??
[01:39] <DarkMageZ> um, ubotu serves different purposes here.
[01:40] <DarkMageZ> bug #123
[01:40] <bharat862004> ok
[01:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123 in rosetta "There's no direct way to see the project info when translating it" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123
[01:44] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... if there is important news, please let me know .)
[01:44] <gnomefreak> something on mozembed but its just a work around
[01:44] <gnomefreak> ill get you link
[01:44] <asac> thanks
[01:45] <gnomefreak> yw
[01:46] <gnomefreak> not sure if it is same issue or not but here is the blog on it http://skunkyjay.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/mozilla-embeded-error-resolved/
[01:48] <DarkMageZ> could also be this? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137189
[01:48] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 137189 in Plug-ins "Windowless plug-in support for X (WMODE)" [Normal,Assigned]
[01:56] <asac> gnomefreak: i posted a comment :)
[01:56] <gnomefreak> k ill look in a bit
[01:59] <redmonkey> hello
[02:00] <gnomefreak> hi
[02:00] <redmonkey> i cannot run thunderbird anymore. i recieve a segmentation fault as soon as i start it :(
[02:00] <gnomefreak> i hate the use of the word resolved in his comment.
[02:00] <gnomefreak> redmonkey: extensions/addons/themes installed?
[02:00] <redmonkey> only root is able to run it without crashing it
[02:00] <redmonkey> gnomefreak: nothing
[02:01] <redmonkey> i also tried to delete /home/myname/.mozilla-thunderbird completely. but it didnt help
[02:01] <gnomefreak> asac: not under your name you didnt (atleast on his blog
[02:01] <gnomefreak> redmonkey: try running it in safe mode
[02:01] <redmonkey> gnomefreak: ok, how?
[02:02] <gnomefreak> thunderbird -safe-mode i think
[02:03] <redmonkey> Warning: unrecognized command line flag -save-mode
[02:03] <gnomefreak> redmonkey: or mozilla-thunderbird -safe-mode
[02:03] <gnomefreak> redmonkey: you have typo
[02:03] <redmonkey> oops sorry
[02:03] <redmonkey> didnt work. same error:
[02:03] <redmonkey> DOUBLE-CLICK: 300 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[02:05] <gnomefreak> redmonkey: what version of ubuntu what version of tbird?
[02:06] <redmonkey> ubuntu 7.04 thunderbird <IP_ADDRESS> (from the repos)
[02:07] <gnomefreak> redmonkey: can you file a bug report and attach the crash report in /var/crash so we can better find what is going on with it. did it work at all with that version?
[02:08] <gnomefreak> asac: maybe wordpress needs a while to update
[02:09] <redmonkey> yes, it worked without any problems before
[02:09] <gnomefreak> before the .12 update?
[02:09] <redmonkey> file a bug report.. uh-oh, i never did that before
[02:09] <gnomefreak> or worked with .12 for a while than just stopped?
[02:10] <gnomefreak> !bugs | redmonkey
[02:10] <ubotu> redmonkey: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:10] <gnomefreak> it should prety much walk you through it. you will have to submit the bug before you can attach teh log file
[02:11] <redmonkey> it worked without any problems in the last version. then i couldnt start it anymore. a few days later i updated to .12 to check if the bug has been fixed, but it hasnt.
[02:12] <redmonkey> but why am i able to run it as root?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> well the easy things that were asked didnt help. please file bug and attach the file, the file is gonna be needed. not sure maybe root bypasses your profile
[02:16] <gnomefreak> )
[02:19] <gnomefreak> that is odd when version is (= 2:1.fire...$(Source-Version) but when it uses >= its (Source:Version)
[02:20] <gnomefreak> maybe its just me that finds that weird
[02:23] <gnomefreak> ok im out for a bit i got a few hours before i can start on it anyway
[02:28] <redmonkey> seems like that bug has already been reported:
[02:28] <redmonkey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/72332
[02:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 72332 in mozilla-thunderbird "thunderbird crashes on start" [Medium,Confirmed]
[02:29] <redmonkey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/70649
[02:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70649 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird crash" [Medium,Needs info]
[02:30] <redmonkey> it describes it extactly
[03:23] <hjmf> hmm, redmonkey attached his report to an existing bug, weird he should open a new one (easier for me)... retracing
[04:15] <hjmf> bug 70649
[04:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70649 in thunderbird "Thunderbird crashes after finishing the creation of an email account (dup-of: 115602)" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70649
[04:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115602 in thunderbird "MASTER thunderbird crashed [@nsHTMLReflowState::CalcLineHeight]  [@nsBlockReflowState] " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115602
[04:17] <hjmf> one hour for doing the OP's retraces on a edgy chroot trying to get a good one with such old report and the same again for the new one in feisty chroot damn! how easy would have been if redmonkey just have opened a new crash report
[04:18] <hjmf> :)
[04:48] <asac> hjmf: we cannot care for everyone
[04:49] <asac> just ignore that report
[06:08] <gnomefreak> --enable-system-myspell \   thats a good thing :(
[06:09] <gnomefreak> we really need a damn patch system for pre gutsy firefox
[06:11] <gnomefreak> asac: do you remember what you changed to fix myspell errors during build?
[06:15] <gnomefreak> trying something to fix this
[06:21] <asac> hmm
[06:21] <asac> i don't remember ... are you updating dapper backport?
[06:21] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^?
[06:21] <gnomefreak> using feisty source to do it but yes
[06:22] <gnomefreak> i just installed libmyspell-dev to see if that was problem
[06:29] <asac> gnomefreak: do you still have the last package?
[06:30] <asac> gnomefreak:  better use the diff.gz from that and apply the patch on top of an extracted fresh upstream tarball
[06:32] <asac> gnomefreak: actuallyl i think that i should update it ... there have been some patches applied upstream, which now need some work to make our patches work seemlessly with it
[06:35] <gnomefreak> k go for it. i have it building but im getting ready to walk out the door for a while
[06:36] <asac> not today :)
[06:36] <gnomefreak> no its not important
[06:40] <asac> @now new york
[06:40] <ubotu> Current time in America/New_York: June 12 2007, 12:40:50 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 19 hours 19 minutes
[06:41] <asac> @now
[06:41] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: June 12 2007, 16:41:13 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 19 hours 18 minutes
[06:41] <asac> @now eastern
[06:41] <ubotu> Current time in Canada/Eastern: June 12 2007, 12:41:39 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 19 hours 18 minutes
[06:41] <asac> @now america/+eastern
[06:41] <asac> @now america/eastern
[07:20] <asac> ok ... i am out for today .... this took my energy for today: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gnash/0.8.0~cvs20070611.1016-1ubuntu1
[07:26] <JenFraggle> looks complicated
[07:26] <JenFraggle> I'm looking at the MozillaTeam wiki for newbie friendliness
[07:28] <asac> JenFraggle: yeah ... go ahead :)
[07:31] <Admiral_Chicago> JenFraggle: I'm thinking of beefing up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Proceduces
[07:32] <Admiral_Chicago> yes Precedures..
[07:32] <Admiral_Chicago> Procedures.
[07:32] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm not on today..
[07:33] <JenFraggle> it's a bit small
[07:33] <JenFraggle> i'm off out now but will mark it as another page to look at.  will make some notes and get back to you
[08:04] <gnomefreak> asac: it might build
[08:05] <gnomefreak> asac: salty-horse has a question about a bug iirc i just came home to pick up a phone number and im out again :)
[08:07] <salty-horse> hi. about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/82168 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/113683 -- in retrospect, I think the real problem is that mozilla products don't use the "east-west / north-south resize" mouse cursors - I can't find a screenshot tool that captures the cursor. if you still need a screenshot, can you assist me with this?
[08:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 82168 in firefox "autoscroll shows the "resize up" cursor" [Medium,Confirmed]
[08:11] <asac> salty-horse: i am out ... can you be here tomorrow? ... at best a few hours earlier?
[08:11] <asac> actuallyl i am in conference now, but then out directly
[08:12] <salty-horse> asac, this is my "home" time. i'll try :) - or you could just comment on the bugs :)
[08:12] <salty-horse> i don't want to disturb
[08:31] <asac> bug 113683
[08:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113683 in firefox "hovering over splitter widget sets incorrect cursor (dup-of: 82168)" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113683
[08:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 82168 in firefox "autoscroll shows the "resize up" cursor" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82168
[08:31] <asac> bug 82168
[08:31] <asac> ah ... now i remember
[08:31] <asac> it should definitly be pushed upstream
[08:31] <asac> i mean its probably not ubuntu specific
[08:31] <asac> salty-horse: ^^^
[08:31] <asac> salty-horse: i will try to verify your horizontal/vertical scrollbar rule
[08:32] <asac> salty-horse: did you ever find a case where this rule doesn't hold?
[08:33] <asac> salty-horse: looks like you found the right rule
[08:33] <asac> salty-horse: wierd ... thanks
[08:34] <salty-horse> yes. see the bugs. in the bookmark/history sidebar resize (vertical), in thunderbird's email list/preview seperator, in the middle-click scroll wheel (when the page only has one of the scrollbars - otherwise it's the correct hand icon
[08:34] <salty-horse> )
[08:36] <salty-horse> i'm using gnome - maybe it's worth checking in kde
[08:37] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: can you test bug 82168 ?
[08:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 82168 in firefox "autoscroll shows the "resize up" cursor" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82168
[08:37] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: on kde :)
[08:39] <asac> salty-horse: ok thanks for following up. i will look at the duplicate tomorrow
[08:39] <asac> i am now out
[08:39] <salty-horse> Admiral_Chicago, it's easier to check with the sidebar resizer.
[08:39] <salty-horse> thanks asac
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> looking...
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> i need a page to upload too and can't remember the image site..
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> imageshack.us works..
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7939/reproduceddo4.png
[08:57] <salty-horse> i'm missing an app to screenshot the cursor, not to host (I can attach the image to the launchpad bug)
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i can reproduce it
[08:58] <salty-horse> hmm
[09:01] <salty-horse> should one bug be DUPLICATEd?
[09:02] <Admiral_Chicago> what do ou mean
[09:03] <salty-horse> i reported two bugs on the subject: 82168 and 113683
[09:03] <Admiral_Chicago> yea the screen shot thing didn't get teh cursor
[09:03] <Admiral_Chicago> mark the older one as a dup of the younger one
[09:03] <Admiral_Chicago> err the other way around...
[09:04] <salty-horse> btw, how does your screenshot show the bug? :)
[09:04] <salty-horse> oh, you answered :)
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> well i'll try in a vm, that may work
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> i think it has to do with the way the mouse is drawn
[09:42] <gnomefreak> ok im back for a while i think
[09:46] <gnomefreak> asac: did i miss something? Accepted iceape 1.1.1+u2-0ubuntu1 (source) (Ubuntu Installer)  thought pitti rejected it or did you upload again?
[10:54] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[10:54] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 13 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Jun 13:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 15:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 16:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 14:00: Mozilla Team
[10:54] <gnomefreak> ok our meeting is set up
[10:57] <JenFraggle> cool
[10:59] <Admiral_Chicago> great
[11:00] <gnomefreak> if anyone has agenda items please add them.
[11:03] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: did you just change your status on jabber?
[11:03] <gnomefreak> i just got a little bit of music cant figure out what it was from
[11:04] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: yea it was me, i launced gaim.
[11:04] <gnomefreak> ah ok ty
[11:04] <Admiral_Chicago> playing with getting psi to work
[11:04] <Admiral_Chicago> JenFraggle: if you feel adventureous, dansguardian could use a clue file
[11:05] <Admiral_Chicago> JenFraggle: http://pastebin.ca/562611
[11:32] <asac> gnomefreak: i fixed and uploaded iceape
[11:32] <asac> and pushed pitti to let it in :)
[11:32] <asac> i will push the new remove.nonfree script
[11:33] <asac> once binaries are NEWed as well we need to push 1.1.3
[11:33] <asac> or whatever the latest is
[11:38] <gnomefreak> 1.1.2
[11:38] <gnomefreak> might want to build it before you upload it ;)
[11:39] <asac> gnomefreak: oh i think i messed it up :)
[11:39] <asac> either its debian version ... or the new tarball still contains the binaries :)
[11:39] <gnomefreak> 1.1.1?
[11:39] <asac> yes 1.1.1 is what we have atm
[11:40] <asac> we should definitly prepare 1.1.2 :)
[11:40] <asac> and upload as soon as 1.1.1 gets binary NEWed
[11:40] <asac> let me fix this :)
[11:40] <gnomefreak> that way its never noticed lol
[11:41] <gnomefreak> 1.1.2 isnt gonna be easy although most of it is removing patches. let me know if my patch applies ok please
[11:42] <asac> which patch?
[11:42] <asac> ah your menu patch? hope its actually in atm
[11:42] <gnomefreak> 82_prefs_ubuntu.dpatch
[11:42] <asac> let me see as soon as tree was cleaned here
[11:42] <gnomefreak> its in my branch
[11:42] <asac> ah ok
[11:42] <gnomefreak> think we have 3 iceeape branches
[11:42] <asac> let me first sync here
[11:45] <asac> ok i updated mozilla team debian.1.1.x branch
[11:46] <gnomefreak> wasent debian.1.1.x already updated with mikes changes
[11:46] <gnomefreak> that should be wasnt
[11:51] <asac> gnomefreak: can you look what you have as 1.1.1-3 in changelog
[11:52] <asac> e.g. what text
[11:52] <gnomefreak> looking
[11:53] <gnomefreak> what one
[11:53] <gnomefreak> there are 9 releases of that
[11:53] <gnomefreak> give or take 1
[11:53] <gnomefreak> ill pastebin all
[11:54] <asac> wow
[11:54] <asac> i already found it
[11:54] <gnomefreak> i guess we combined them
[11:54] <asac> apparently mike wiped 1.1.1-3
[11:54] <asac> changlog entry
[11:54] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/562743
[11:54] <asac> by bumping to 1.1.2-1
[11:54] <asac> and adding more content to it
[11:54] <asac> e.g. see
[11:54] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:55] <gnomefreak> i saw that
[11:55] <asac> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mozilla/iceape/trunk/debian/changelog?op=log&rev=0&sc=1&isdir=0
[11:55] <gnomefreak> he started at 1.1.1-3 than moved to -2 thats why we got all screed up
[11:55] <gnomefreak> screwed up
[11:55] <asac> 39902 vs. 39917
[11:55] <asac> i think 1.1.1-3 was never released to debian
[11:55] <asac> so its valid
[11:55] <asac> ok
[11:56] <gnomefreak> we got it from experimental than they killed it and released 1.1.1-2 to sid iirc
[11:58] <JenFraggle> I've copied the states and tags wiki pages and am working my way through checking them.  seems funny being written in american rather than english
[11:59] <asac> this is really messy
[11:59] <asac> i mean fixing this changelog mess
[11:59] <gnomefreak> his or ours?
[12:00] <asac> this changelog merge mess i mean
[12:00] <asac> problem is i pushed changes to ubuntu ... and to debian
[12:00] <asac> under different version numbers
[12:00] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:00] <asac> .e.g using different versions ... so shall i duplicate changelog entries now?
[12:00] <asac> i think yes, since the changes were not really applied :/
[12:01] <gnomefreak> wait our changes you pushed to debian were never applied?
[12:02] <asac> yeah i think i had a bad day yesterday :)
[12:02] <asac> i pushed a bad version to debian svn ;)
[12:02] <asac> maybe i should stop being online for a while
[12:02] <asac> as mike will definitly laugh at me ;)
[12:03] <gnomefreak> it happens to all of us
[12:03] <asac> hehe was just kidding
[12:03] <asac> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mozilla/iceape/trunk/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=39926&sc=1
[12:03] <asac> look
[12:03] <asac> i used -2
[12:03] <asac> though it should have been -
[12:03] <asac> -1
[12:03] <asac> e.g. the version
[12:04] <gnomefreak> why -1 if mikes is -2
[12:04] <asac> yeah look
[12:04] <gnomefreak> or is it because of version name
[12:04] <asac> its because i bumped upstream version
[12:05] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:05] <asac> because that change means it needs a new orig
[12:11] <asac> ok mozillateam branch for ubuntu-1.1.x is now up to date
[12:12] <asac> you can merge changes to your branch :)
[12:13] <gnomefreak> ok will try
[12:15] <asac> gnomefreak: what is the revision i should merge to mozillateam branch?
[12:15] <asac> from yours?
[12:15] <asac> e.g. to get the prefs?
[12:15] <asac> patch?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> let me look
[12:16] <asac> i would like to prepare 1.1.2.dfsg1-2ubuntu1  so i can directly push it tomorrow
[12:16] <gnomefreak> 79for patch 80 for changelog
[12:16] <gnomefreak> i have comflicts i need to resolve
[12:17] <gnomefreak> brb
[12:18] <asac> i think most conflicts you can just resolve by copying the .OTHER file to the real name
[12:18] <asac> which conflicts do you have?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> changelog
[12:19] <gnomefreak> i havent looked at it yet
[12:25] <asac> only changelog?
[12:26] <gnomefreak> yeah i think that was my screw up
[12:26] <gnomefreak> im merging now lets see what happens
[12:27] <gnomefreak> it seems the changelog entry i pushed to my branch conflicts with yours you just pushed how do i remover a pushed entry in my branch
[12:27] <asac> gnomefreak: look in changelog


[02:09] <Espionage724> hmm, so I just did a clean install of today's Xubuntu 15.04 daily (BIOS mode with the LVM + encryption disk encryption options checked; no home folder encryption), and on the first boot after install, I only have a gray screen with a cursor on it
[02:23] <Espionage724> double-clicking on the gray screen seems to fix it; but this was after I ran startxfce4 from tty and also changed some settings in the lightdm greeter config thing; i'll re-evaluate how things go on a clean install just to be sure
[02:26] <Espionage724> seems to be the same case from the Live enviroment too (a single-click gets rid of the gray)
[02:40] <Espionage724> Yep; it's fine on a clean install too
[02:59] <imnichol> Anyone see an issue where being on wireless and ethernet will cause connection timeouts?
[03:41] <Jordan_U> Espionage724: That "grey" screen was probably the X stiple pattern, just at such a high resolution that it looked grey. (for whatever that's worth)
[05:20] <Fritigern> *SIGH* I mis mp3gain and aaccgain...
[05:25] <Fritigern> I kinda wonder why mp3gain and aacgain were removed from the repos. Only vorbisgain is left, but i have no use for it.
[07:46] <rww> Fritigern: "why" => https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=761847 , which was repeated for Ubuntu
[08:48] <elichai2> hey, I need to upgrade my kernel to vivid kernel because of this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1352821
[08:48] <elichai2> (you can see the patch was already released for vivid)
[08:48] <elichai2> my current kernel is: Linux Lenovo-G510 3.16.0-31-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 10 15:24:04 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:48] <elichai2> Description:    Ubuntu 14.10
[08:52] <elichai2> can i just download the packages from here? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.19-vivid/
[08:52] <elichai2> or i need to add the vivid repo?
[08:59] <elichai2> sorry i disconnected
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:52] <popey> imnichol: yo
[13:52] <ikonia> popey: two solutions in as many minutes, thank you
[13:52] <popey> I never get round to it because I'm always using my laptop
[13:52] <popey> hah
[13:53] <popey> imnichol: if you have a moment, can you file a bug "ubuntu-bug network-manager"
[13:58]  * popey pokes imnichol
[17:37] <solsTiCe> hi. I am trying to make a persistent USB ubuntu. i have dd the iso to the usb stick. used fdisk (gparted or parted don't seem to handle it right) to make a partition labelled casper-rw. But when I boot in persistent mode it failed to mount the /dev/sdb3 (casper-rw) partition with device or resource busy. It sems it is because /dev/sdb is alredy mounted. So how do I do it ?
[18:03] <solsTiCe> I am nowusing usb-creator-gtk from live cd (in a vm) and it always fails to erase my usb key with error. I had to run it as root!!
[18:10] <solsTiCe> fuck another bug in startup disk creator; store in reserved extra space is greyed out.
[18:14] <jtaylor> that thing is unfortunately awefully broken
[18:14] <jtaylor> I hopefully try every release but it fails everytime :(
[18:14] <jtaylor> last time it actually worked for me was probably around 12.04 ...
[18:15] <jtaylor> using dd usually works ok, though you have to now to press tab when you get an error message on boot with it
[18:38] <solsTiCe> jtaylor: ok
[20:00] <roasted> hi
[20:00] <lordievader> o/
[20:00] <roasted> is it not possible to run the 15.04 NEXT ISO in virtualbox?
[20:02] <lordievader> Vivid in VB? Sure.
[20:02] <roasted> hmm. I'm tinkering with it now but I can't get loggedin. ubuntu-desktop-next + blank pw, right?
[20:03] <lordievader> Ah, perhaps some DE's have problems with the VB drivers...
[20:03] <lordievader> Kubuntu Vivid works in KVM though ;)
[20:03] <roasted> I've been trying with VB about once a week for the last six weeks, with a new daily image each time. No luck.
[20:03] <roasted> I'm psecifically messing with the desktop-next ISO to check out Unity 8
[20:03] <roasted> I tried a bare metalinstall on a spare laptop recently but it just launched to a black screen.
[20:09] <gesker> This channel OK for Kubuntu 15.04  beta questions?
[20:09] <lordievader> Jup
[20:09] <gesker> Excellent! Trying out ubuntu 15.04 beta 2. Seeing some keyboard lag that wasn't in 15.04 alpha 1. Any hints on what/where I can check to get responsiveness back?
[20:12] <GnuLinuxUser> So is it correct that 15.04 will get systemd?
[20:12] <k1l_> GnuLinuxUser: yes
[20:13] <Daekdroom> roasted, I don't think Unity 8 works with VirtualBox.
[20:13] <GnuLinuxUser> Nice :-)
[20:13] <lordievader> GnuLinuxUser: You can already try it out ;)
[20:13] <k1l_> but to be more precise: it will get systemd as standard init :)
[20:13] <lordievader> GnuLinuxUser: It is under the 'advanced' menu in Grub.
[20:14] <roasted> Thanks Daekdroom. Hopefully soon. :)
[20:14] <GnuLinuxUser> Ooh, didn't know that. Thanks I will try that.
[20:14] <k1l_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2015-March/001130.html
[22:27] <solsTiCe> hi again. I rebooted from ubuntu 15.04 live usb into 14.10. I lost 20 minutes of expected battery time. is it the new kernel or there is some optimisation in 15.04 ?


[04:31] <fjodor> hi whats lubuntu using to automount things?
[04:31] <Unit193> pcmanfm.
[04:32] <Unit193> (Frontend.)
[04:35] <fjodor> ah k
[04:35] <fjodor> when i am using lubuntu brightness keys work seemlessly but when i am using i3wm they dont work. any tips?
[07:28] <RaphaelAraujo> Hey guys, have any of you tried this TLP thing for power management? http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/improve-power-usage-battery-life-in.html
[07:29] <RaphaelAraujo> I'm thinking about using it in my netbook, but I don't know if it will mess up with the power management that is already on lubuntu
[12:07] <tortik> Hi all. Why I can't see my load screen in lubuntu 12.04? I can see it sometimes, so most time I see a curve colored stripes in place of load screen. What is the problem? 8500gt, installed nvidia drivers from official website
[16:25] <vaikus84> Hello. I'm new to this channel and Lubuntu. I was wondering why my Logitech RX 1000 laser mouse behaves weird. Sometimes it makes 3 clicks instead of one. And sometimes it kind of lets go of a window even though I'm holding down the left mouse button.
[19:33] <dexta> any one know a workaround for the install wizard restarting after step 2 ?
[19:35] <Unit193> How much ram do you have?
[19:35] <dexta> 256
[19:36] <Unit193> There's a ubiquity slideshow package, drop to a TTY and purge it.
[19:37] <dexta> hmm
[19:37] <dexta> ill look for that
[19:37] <dexta> after a couple of goes it drops me to a login screen
[19:37] <dexta> so i have to TTY & "sudo passwd lubuntu"
[19:38] <dexta> then & try again
[19:40] <Unit193> Also may just try an alternate.
[19:40] <dexta> tbh my main problem is the source media drive
[19:40] <dexta> & no usb boot options
[19:40] <dexta> its stupidly slow
[19:41] <Unit193> You can use plop on a CD with USB drive.
[19:41] <dexta> oh interesting
[19:41] <Unit193> http://xubuntu.org/news/booting-the-xubuntu-usb-image-from-a-cd/ same basic idea here.
[19:42] <dexta> cool thanks
[19:42] <dexta> saves me setting up a PXE server
[19:47] <Unit193> Could be fun!  Then you could set it up to boot all sorts of stuff! :P
[19:47] <dexta> yah i really cant be fooked with dhcp on my workstation
[19:49] <dexta> with plop i just burn the iso in the root of download ? & boot from that & then it sohuld give me usb boot options
[19:50] <dexta> seems so "plpbt.iso    Boot manager CD ISO"
[19:50] <Unit193> plpbt.iso is what you're looking for.
[19:50] <dexta> ta
[19:58] <dexta> plop detects the usb (dvd) device starts loading boot sector & hangs there
[19:58] <dexta> no activity on dvd read light
[19:59]  * dexta trys an older lite-on usb drive
[20:01] <dexta> same shite
[20:04] <Unit193> Do try to keep it family friendly.  Well, if Ubiquity (and removing the slideshow) doesn't work, not sure what's going on with plop?  Other two options were alternate and mini...  I'll have to poke plop and see if I can see what's up.
[20:08] <dexta> aye nps
[20:15] <dexta> with plop the problem im having now its detecting other internal usb devices i think
[20:17] <jdale> hi
[20:17] <jdale> can people help her. I says cannot find dependenceyc/
[20:17] <jdale> here*
[20:18] <Unit193> Need a little more than that.
[20:18] <Unit193> !details
[20:21] <jdale> odd
[20:21] <jdale> I can install xchat fine
[20:21] <jdale> but I know Lubuntu comes with Chromium
[20:21] <jdale> how can I get rid of it?
[20:22] <Unit193> Just purge it?  sudo apt-get purge chromium-browser
[20:22] <jdale> whats purge do?
[20:22] <jdale> I've used a lot of distros before just not Lubuntu
[20:23] <Unit193> Remove+remove config.
[20:23] <jdale> ok
[20:23] <jdale> ah
[20:23] <jdale> but why wouldnt it work with regular remove?
[20:24] <jdale> it says package Chromium not  installed?
[20:24] <jdale> but it is?
[20:24] <Unit193> dpkg -l | grep chromium  to see if it has a different name, you sure it isn't chrome?
[20:25] <jdale> im sure
[20:25] <jdale> eh?
[20:25] <jdale> o packags found matching chromium
[20:25] <jdale> not sure
[20:25] <jdale> Yet Lubuntu comes with it
[20:27] <Unit193> Indeed it does.  Last thing would be to open a terminal and type  chro<tab><tab>  too see if it finds it, then to `which` that binary, or maybe dpkg -S it.
[20:28] <jdale> ok
[20:28] <jdale> no wonder
[20:28] <jdale> its chromium-brwoser
[20:28] <jdale> :P
[20:29] <Unit193> "brwoser", you've got to be kidding.
[20:29] <jdale> browser
[20:29] <jdale> sorry on laptop
[20:29] <jdale> the machine im on is a 512 mb ram 2.1 ghz single core
[20:29] <jdale> I can upgrade the ram to 2gb later
[20:29] <jdale> but whats a good brwoser?
[20:29] <jdale> browser for it?
[20:30] <Unit193> Ah, alright.  That's expected too.  It all depends on who you are, I like Firefox and Xombrero, others like chromium.
[20:30] <jdale> ah
[20:30] <jdale> I like Firefox
[20:30] <jdale> :)
[20:30] <jdale> installing it
[20:30] <jdale> I've used ArchBang, Fedora, chakra Os
[20:30] <jdale> a bunch on my high powered desktop
[20:30] <jdale> :P
[20:30] <jdale> I sold
[20:30] <jdale> bu now im on this low one
[20:31] <jdale> its not bad
[20:31] <jdale> say though, I installed xchat
[20:31] <jdale> and it didint ask me to install python and tcl crap
[20:31] <jdale> whys that?
[20:31] <jdale> Most distros do that to me
[20:31] <jdale> didn't*
[20:31] <Unit193> Python would already be installed, and tcl may be too.
[20:32] <jdale> oh
[20:32] <jdale> odd
[20:32] <jdale> icedtea-web isnt installing?
[20:32] <jdale> I have firefox
[20:32] <jdale> and i Know many distros use icedtea to run java stuff etc
[20:32] <jdale> why isnt it install Unit193  ?
[20:32] <Unit193> You can install it pretty easily.
[20:32] <jdale> how so?
[20:32] <jdale> whats the command?
[20:32] <jdale> sudo apt-get install icedtea-web
[20:32] <jdale> thats what i did
[20:32] <jdale> not sure
[20:32] <jdale> didint work
[20:33] <Unit193> !software
[20:33] <Unit193> icedtea-7-plugin is the name.
[20:34] <jdale> oh
[20:34] <jdale> so
[20:35] <jdale> sudo apt-get install icedtea-7-plugin
[20:35] <jdale> :
[20:35] <jdale> :)
[20:35] <jdale> does it auto update?
[20:35] <Unit193> When you update your system.  May want to see the SoftwareManagement page.
[20:36] <jdale> apt-get update
[20:36] <jdale> :D
[20:36] <jdale> er upgrade
[20:36] <jdale> that would update it Unit193  ?
[20:36] <jdale> right?
[20:36] <jdale> apt-get upgrade
[20:37] <Unit193> You'd need both, and dist-upgrade for some times too.
[20:37] <jdale> or i can always reply on sofware manager?
[20:37] <Unit193> Yes.
[20:38] <jdale> ok
[20:38] <jdale> :D
[20:38] <jdale> let me try
[20:40] <jdale> hi
[20:40] <jdale> ubottu,
[20:40] <jdale> Unit193,
[20:40] <jdale> :)
[20:40] <jdale> im here
[20:41] <jdale> hey Unit193  so hm how do I itall the graphics card stuff?
[20:41] <jdale> I got a nvidia geforce fx5200
[20:42] <Unit193> Software Sources, last tab on the right.
[20:42] <jdale> were's software sources
[20:43] <Unit193> Changed the name to Software and Updates.
[20:43] <jdale> sofwware updater?
[20:44] <Unit193> No, the other one.
[20:45] <dexta> arugh i tried the test version of plop still no joy
[20:45] <Unit193> Bleh, no fun.
[20:45] <dexta> maybe ill just go back to fubuntu
[20:45] <jdale> Unit193,  synaptic paakcage manager?
[20:46] <dexta> mostly i rather redhat based distro's anyway
[20:46] <jdale> now what Unit193  ?
[20:46] <jdale> Im in there
[20:46] <Unit193> dexta: Fudntu (or something like that.) has stopped existing.
[20:47] <Unit193> jdale: No, not synaptic.  "Software and Updates"
[20:47] <dexta> well its stopped being made
[20:47] <Unit193> dexta: Yeah, it's all up to you as to what you deam best for your computer, and what works best for you. :)
[20:47] <jdale> nothing Unit193  ?
[20:48] <jdale> nothing coming up
[20:48] <Unit193> software-properties-gtk in terminal.
[20:48] <jdale> just type that in?
[20:49] <jdale> wait
[20:49] <jdale> got it
[20:49] <jdale> now what?
[20:49] <jdale> ok
[20:49] <jdale> display dirvers
[20:49] <jdale> its using the 2nd option?
[20:50] <jdale> no propretiary driver are in use
[20:50] <jdale> i  want the real drivers
[20:50] <jdale> Unit193,
[20:50] <Unit193> It should detect them in there.  You may want to use enter a little less.
[20:50] <jdale> ok
[20:51] <jdale> should I select the propretiary?
[20:51] <Unit193> If you want it.
[20:51] <jdale> its using the xorg server ojnne
[20:51] <jdale> propretiary is the real one right?
[20:51] <Unit193> They are both real, but that may be the one you're looking for.
[20:56] <jdale> ok Unit193  it swtiched
[20:57] <jdale> but  how do I know tis activated?
[20:57] <jdale> its*
[20:57] <Unit193> Reboot,  and it will be.  lspci -v and look for the vga one.
[20:57] <jdale> ok
[20:57] <jdale> mine' a agp
[20:57] <jdale> let me reboot
[21:21] <jdale> Unit193,
[21:21] <jdale> here?
[21:21] <jdale> he NVIDIA X driver on jay-home:0.0 is not new
[21:21] <jdale> enough to support the nvidia-settings Display Configuration page.
[21:21] <jdale> ////
[21:21] <jdale> ....
[21:21] <jdale> hi
[21:22] <jdale> .join #ubuntu
[22:59] <cscho0415> any developer around? I found a bug and i believe I know a fix
[23:05] <wxl> cscho0415: submit the bug and patch to launchpad
[23:05] <cscho0415> launchpad?
[23:05] <cscho0415> @wxl
[23:06] <wxl> cscho0415: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/launchpad


[00:35] <Unit193> Long time no see
[00:35] <Unit193> Howdy
[14:14] <thafreak> Happy sysadmin day everyone!
[14:19] <dzho> likewise, thafreak
[14:28] <Cheri703> I am trying to decide between: leave home at 11 and get home around 3, doing only useful productive things, OR leave at noon, buy lunch out, waste a ton of time due to bus schedules, and get home around 5pm...
[14:28] <Cheri703> I know which I *should* choose, but...I kind of really want a gyro for lunch...
[14:29] <dzho> get the gyro, it's Friday
[14:29] <dzho> an extra hour isn't that huge in the grand scheme of things
[14:32] <Cheri703> well, it's 2 hours difference in when I'd get home
[14:37] <Cheri703> (I realize that the total time difference is one hour, it's just that husband gets home from work around 2:45, and I dunno if I want to be out til 5 if I can help it)
[14:39] <Cheri703> bah, I talked myself into just going at 11 :/ I will get my gyro next week
[15:04] <Cheri703> ok, so my decision was changed for me...went to get ready to go, and couldn't find the clothes I was going to wear, finally did, but would have had to be leaving the house by then...universe wants me to have a gyro for lunch
[15:04] <Cheri703> \o/
[15:07] <dzho> yay
[15:07] <Cheri703> I'm alright with it :)
[17:54] <twotwozombie> anyone going to PyOhio tomorrow?
[18:05] <thafreak> ha!
[18:05] <thafreak> hey twotwozombie
[18:05] <thafreak> you left the nerd music room...
[18:06] <twotwozombie> nah i'm still there, just not djing anymore
[18:06] <thafreak> ah, it's hard to see who anyone is, avatars overlap alot
[18:06] <thafreak> so you're an ohio-ite?
[18:06] <twotwozombie> yeah i think i'm behind the monster guy ha
[18:07] <twotwozombie> yep, cincinnati
[18:07] <twotwozombie> you?
[18:08] <thafreak> NEO...medina/kent...near akron
[18:08] <thafreak> cinci huh...you a dual core fan then? :)
[18:08] <twotwozombie> never heard dual core until today actually
[18:10] <thafreak> no way...int0x80 from dualcore is from cinci...
[18:10] <thafreak> he's played ohio linux fest's after party the last few years too...
[18:10] <twotwozombie> ah, i've gone to ohio linuxfest for the last 3 years, but never stayed for the after party
[18:11] <thafreak> a ha, ther in lies your folly :)
[18:12] <twotwozombie> true true
[18:12] <thafreak> it's worth the tired drive home :)
[18:18] <twotwozombie> hoping for ohio linuxfest schedule soon, trying to convince people to come
[18:20] <thafreak> yeah, the schedules don't usually get finalized till late
[18:21] <thafreak> Make sure and stop by the ubuntu booth
[18:21] <twotwozombie> will do
[20:16] <_bbb> dont think im gonna make olf this year... wifey is due in october
[20:21] <thafreak> _bbb: excuses excuses :)
[20:22] <thafreak> My wife was due in october once...
[20:22] <thafreak> I still went :)


[12:55] <dgroos> Good Morning!
[12:55] <highvoltage> good morning dgroos
[12:56] <dgroos> highvoltage: how are things 'up north'?
[12:56] <dgroos> (and east, technically)
[12:58] <highvoltage> dgroos: good and there?
[13:00] <jbicha> highvoltage: I was looking for an edubuntu developer to make a decision on bug 692295
[13:00] <dgroos> Pretty good.  First day for teachers was yesterday and even though I'm not a teacher this year (on a study leave this year) I was back in class.
[13:00] <highvoltage> I saw that in my inbox and I've been meaning to comment on it
[13:00] <jbicha> I'm probably just too impatient...
[13:00] <dgroos> I'm supporting the teachers using the classroom set ups with computers.
[13:01] <dgroos> alkisg: ping
[13:01] <highvoltage> jbicha: not at all, I just have too many distractions
[13:02] <highvoltage> dgroos: oh great!
[13:03] <dgroos> highvoltage: is it just my reader or have your blog posts on edubuntu been, well, truncated?
[13:04] <highvoltage> dgroos: I think I've been hit by some wordpress bug, sometimes my feed gets truncated. I should probably look into that... :)
[13:05] <dgroos> wordpress is kinda like that...
[14:29] <alkisg> or here, dgroos: pong :D
[14:35] <dgroos> alkisg: howdy
[14:36] <alkisg> Hey dgroos, how are you?
[14:36] <dgroos> pretty good/pretty busy
[14:36] <dgroos> And yourself?
[14:37] <alkisg> Exactly the same :)
[14:37] <dgroos> :)
[14:38] <dgroos> I'm taking this year off so that I can concentrate on my dissertation but I'm also supporting 'my' teachers. :)
[14:38] <dgroos> I want to install sch-scripts into the new fat client on which I'm working.
[14:39] <dgroos> The image is on the server I used last year though I did delete the thin client image.
[14:40] <dgroos> I already installed the client and am wondering about the server sch-scripts app.
[14:41] <dgroos> How can I launch it if I can't gain super-user permissions?
[14:41] <dgroos> (I saw you say on a forum that you can't sudo with fat clients).
[14:42] <alkisg> dgroos: the sch-scripts client connects to the sch-daemon network service through a server socket in /var/...
[14:42] <alkisg> A fat client doesn't have access to that socket
[14:42] <alkisg> So, even if you could sudo, you wouldn't access the sch-daemon, so sch-scripts wouldn't work
[14:42] <alkisg> So the teacher needs to either sit on the server, or on a thin client
[14:43] <alkisg> The sch-scripts GUI won't work if it's ran from a fat client
[14:44] <alkisg> So, the best you can do, is to ssh -X or vnc to the server, and run sch-scripts from there. Or to use a thin client for the teacher. Or something similar.
[14:44] <dgroos> That was it--I thought you were running it from a fat client but it was from the server...
[14:44] <alkisg> Or to use remoteapps
[14:44] <alkisg> Maybe that last is the best option
[14:45] <dgroos> hmmm remoteapps--I'll look it up.  Thanks!  I'll come back with a question, perhaps :)
[14:46] <alkisg> dgroos: markit wants to sponsor an i18n sch-scripts version, we may have a new i18n sch-scripts version soon
[14:47] <dgroos> :D congrats and great and thanks!
[15:10] <dgroos> alkisg: and, if I can help with the translation en_us let me know, I'd like to help.
[15:11] <alkisg> dgroos: very nice, I'll tell the other dev doing the i18n to send you the translations for proof-reading
[15:11] <alkisg> As our english of course are not good enough for main language :)
[15:11] <dgroos> also, I could help during the end of Dec with Spanish as I'll be with my Guatemalan-inlaws who could help.
[15:12] <dgroos> I say again yer English is good very! than mine. :)
[15:12] <alkisg> Sounds good too, but it might be better for the first spanish teacher that actually uses the program, to do the translation too
[15:12] <dgroos> sure.
[15:13] <alkisg> (translations need maintanance over time, as anything else in the software world)
[15:14] <dgroos> (as I experienced!  Just let me know)
[15:15] <dgroos> I've had no luck finding any info on how to use ltsp-remoteapps.  Do I just type: "ltsp-remoteapps sch-scripts"?
[15:15] <dgroos> (I'm backing up my server at the moment and can't test.)
[15:15] <alkisg> You also need some lts.conf setting about remoteapps
[15:15] <alkisg> Let me find the exact name...
[15:17] <alkisg> REMOTE_APPS=True
[15:17] <alkisg> And you'll need to do something about the sudo part
[15:18] <alkisg> (sudo sch-scripts, might not work with remote apps and need to edit sudoers instead)
[15:23] <dgroos> In some list-server e-mails Todd O' wrote the following about using fat clients: "I was able to get root access by doing:"
[15:23] <dgroos> $ sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64 passwd -u root
[15:23] <dgroos> $ sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64 passwd
[15:23] <dgroos> and setting the password.
[15:23] <dgroos> does that relate?
[15:23] <alkisg> dgroos: the clue here is "you almost never need sudo on fat clients"
[15:23] <alkisg> Let's start there. WHY do you need sudo?
[15:24] <dgroos> Quoted from above: "alkisg: (sudo sch-scripts, might not work with remote apps and need to edit sudoers instead)"
[15:24] <alkisg> On the server
[15:24] <dgroos> just trying to make sense of that statement...
[15:25] <alkisg> Ah ok let me explain more
[15:25] <alkisg> If you were sitting on the server and tried: sudo sch-scripts, what would happen?
[15:25] <alkisg> You'd get a password prompt
[15:25] <alkisg> Remoteapps unfortunately won't allow a text-based prompt etc
[15:25] <alkisg> So you'll need a way around that problem
[15:26] <alkisg> With sudoers, you can configure certain users or groups to be able to run "sudo sch-scripts" without the need of a password
[15:26] <alkisg> All this on the server
[15:26] <alkisg> So, when you try "ltsp-remoteapps sudo sch-scripts", you won't get a password prompt from the server, and it'll just run
[15:27] <alkisg> Makes a bit more sense now?
[15:27] <dgroos> got it.  So how might I find a how to about setting this up?
[15:27] <dgroos> :)
[15:27] <alkisg> Let me give you my greek page, I think google translate will be enough...
[15:27] <dgroos> :D
[15:28] <alkisg> http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=3211.0
[15:29] <dgroos> Thanks!  (of course our district has a filter on that page because of 'proxy avoidance' but I'll find a work around!)
[15:30] <alkisg> Basically it's this:
[15:30] <alkisg> sudo VISUAL=gedit visudo
[15:30] <dgroos> interesting--I put it into google translate and it went through :)
[15:30] <alkisg> And in the end of the file:
[15:30] <alkisg> teacher ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/sch-scripts
[15:31] <alkisg> Haha google rocks :D
[15:33] <dgroos> so I can put this line several times: teacher ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/sch-scripts  but just using a different name for the different teachers?  Do you think there will be issues if 2 teachers are using this concurrently?
[15:34] <alkisg> You can use a group there instead if you prefer, but yeah of course you can put it several times
[15:34] <alkisg> I think groups need a % in their name (syntax-wise)
[15:34] <alkisg> The sch-scripts daemon is designed to have as many GUI connections as you like
[15:35] <alkisg> So not a problem for concurrrent users
[15:35] <dgroos> I'll put this dialog on my blog for future reference, thanks :)
[15:36] <alkisg> So it would be:
[15:36] <alkisg> %teachers ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/sch-scripts
[21:07] <kukac> Hi, I am just installing edubuntu 11.04 and I have difficulties with ltsp and unity
[21:07] <kukac> Could someone help me?
[21:08] <kukac> please
[21:08] <alkisg> Such as?
[21:10] <kukac> I have a server and when I chroot to client, I cant install software on client side (eg. italc-client), because apt tries to load some place called ftpmaster....
[21:10] <alkisg> And how is that related to unity?
[21:12] <kukac> alkisg: unity is other question. I purged it, but I get always some alerts telling me that it cant load unity. I choosed classic interface, but it does not count, it seems
[21:12] <alkisg> To set classic-gnome as the default session instead of Unity in Ubuntu >= 11.04, put LDM_XSESSION="gnome-session --session=classic-gnome" in lts.conf
[21:13] <alkisg> About the chroot and apt-get install problem, put the output of this command to pastebin: cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
[21:13] <kukac> alkisg: concerning ltsp, I suppose that I should not see both server interface on client, but I do. It seems that it is not the chrooted environment I get, but the server's one
[21:13] <alkisg> kukac: you have a misunderstanding there
[21:14] <alkisg> When you sit on a thin client, you actually sit on the server
[21:14] <alkisg> Not in the chroot
[21:14] <alkisg> All the user programs, the session, openoffice, firefox etc run on the server
[21:14] <highvoltage> a thin client is typically a bit small for me to sit on
[21:14] <alkisg> So whatever commands you issue on gnome-terminal, they also run on the server, and show your server nics etc
[21:15] <highvoltage> (but some servers are just the right size)
[21:15] <kukac> alkisg: I see then.
[21:16]  * alkisg will never ever learn to use prepositions correctly :D
[21:16] <kukac> alkisg: in the ltsp ubuntu help, I read that I should install italc-master on server and client on the chroot, but when I install master, a client is installed too and I cant install anything in chroot
[21:16]  * highvoltage was just joking :)
[21:17] <alkisg> Btw what's the correct preposition there? "at a thin client"?
[21:18] <highvoltage> I think so
[21:18] <highvoltage> I guess I would've said "If you're on a session on a thin client, you're actually on a desktop session on the server" or something like that
[21:18]  * alkisg promises that he'll remember that for the next 2 minutes :)
[21:19] <highvoltage> alkisg: I'll keep you to that!
[21:19] <alkisg> kukac: Meh someone should just delete that italc ubuntultsp wiki page, it's too badly written,  I don't think anyone managed to follow it
[21:19] <kukac> alkisg: oh! and there is not any acceptable online help?
[21:20] <kukac> alkisg: oh! and there is any acceptable online help?
[21:20] <alkisg> Sorry but I've helped tooo many people install italc, I don't think I can do it just one more time, but if you search the irc logs, you'll find the necessary steps at least 10 times :)
[21:20] <alkisg> But the #edubuntu and the #ltsp logs
[21:20] <alkisg> *Both, not but
[21:21] <kukacs> alkisg: I am kukac on edubunt here
[21:21] <alkisg> Did the unity / LDM_XSESSION directive work?
[21:21] <kukacs> alkisg: I am trying to find it
[21:22] <alkisg> sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[21:22] <alkisg> And there, put:
[21:22] <alkisg> [Default]
[21:22] <alkisg> LDM_XSESSION="gnome-session --session=classic-gnome"
[21:22] <alkisg> And reboot the clients..
[21:24] <kukacs> alkisg: i have two line only in that file: [default]
[21:24] <kukacs>   LDM_THEME=edubuntu
[21:24] <alkisg> Put a third one, the one with LDM_XSESSION
[21:25] <alkisg> Don't put [default] twice, leave it just once in the top
[21:25] <alkisg> Or at the top, or on the top, or whatever :P
[21:25] <kukacs> alkisg: it seems that I dont have ldm installed
[21:25] <alkisg> kukacs, you do have ldm install in the chroot
[21:25] <alkisg> *installed
[21:25] <alkisg> Don't worry about it, just try putting that line
[21:26] <kukacs> alkisg: I am checking
[21:30] <kukacs> alkisg: this alert message is resolved, thanks
[21:30] <kukacs> alkisg: what should I do with this italc thing?
[21:33] <kukacs> alkisg: this is the chrooted apt source.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/673383/
[21:34] <alkisg> The first line isn't correct
[21:34] <alkisg> deb http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu natty main restricted universe multiverse
[21:34] <alkisg> See /etc/apt/sources.list for the correct line
[21:34] <alkisg> And if you didn't do anything weird, file a bug in edubuntu about it
[21:36] <kukacs> alkisg: it seems that there is no network connection in chroot environment under /opt/ltsp/i386
[21:37] <alkisg> sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/
[21:37] <kukacs> alkisg: should I move to debian edu maybe?
[21:37] <kukacs> alkisg: in place of edubuntu?
[21:37] <alkisg> That's your call, I'm using ubuntu/ltsp for years without problems
[21:38] <kukacs> alkisg: this resolv.conf helped, it is networking now. you are a wizzard
[21:39] <kukacs> alkisg: should I install then italc-client there? in chroot?
[21:40] <alkisg> kukacs, as I said, I don't have the appetite to go once again through the italc installation steps...
[21:40] <kukacs> alkisg: my other problem, with italc, that it found only the main desktop login as client, but not the real client
[21:40] <alkisg> I helped more than a dozen people, not one of them corrected the wiki...
[21:40] <alkisg> If you want search through the irc logs
[21:40] <alkisg> You'll find the steps there more than 10 times
[21:41] <kukacs> alkisg: I am searching, thanks
[21:55] <kukac> alkisg: what do you think, this description is correct? http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/italc


[12:16] <Kersey> Ciao ragazzi!
[13:18] <CarlFK> I could use some help debugging pxe booting.  I am getting "tftp timeout"  even though from another box I can tftp host;get default.0 just fine.
[13:20] <CarlFK> of course as soon as I post that I realize I didn't restart dhcp bla bla bla..
[13:52] <CarlFK> any clue how to pxe boot a mac? hoping hold down N


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[12:20] <lisandro> mitya57: I'll hopefully be in vacs by the time 5.14.1 is tagged, so I mighe be able to help
[12:45] <mitya57> Great!