[00:24] <YokoZar> Is there a way to configure launchpad bugmail to send to different accounts depending on project?
[00:24] <YokoZar> *email accounts
[00:34] <LordOfTime> YokoZar:  no it'll send to the primary email
[00:48] <micahg> YokoZar: no,but I think it's been requested (you can send stuff to different addresses for different MLs though)
[00:48] <micahg> bug 28688
[00:49] <wgrant> 3
[00:49] <wgrant> bah
[01:16] <Noldorin> anyone here??
[01:23] <huwshimi> Noldorin: Sure, plenty of people. Feel free to just ask a question and someone who knows will answer.
[01:24] <Noldorin> huwshimi: okay… just a little inactive for a channel with many users i guess
[04:11] <Logan_> wgrant: Are you around?
[08:48] <MoonMaker> Hi, I've a question about an git repository import. I inserted not the right URL. How can I change this? -> https://code.launchpad.net/~moonmaker/rgbdemo/trunk
[08:48] <MoonMaker> I think that would be the right URL: git://github.com/nburrus/rgbdemo
[08:51] <czajkowski> MoonMaker: if you file a question https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion  we can change it for you
[08:51] <MoonMaker> that would be perfect
[08:53] <MoonMaker> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/203497
[08:53] <MoonMaker> thank you very much
[08:55] <czajkowski> MoonMaker: np
[09:01] <MoonMaker> hmm ;-) Its not that easy today.... nested trees arrg
[09:03] <hoijui> since about a year or even more, i am not able to login to stackoverflow anymore, with my launchpad openid
[09:03] <hoijui> is tha ta common/known problem?
[09:07] <mgz> hoijui: nope, it generally works. try wiping cookies or otherwise poking the stackoverflow side
[09:07] <hoijui> ok :D
[09:07] <hoijui> thanks
[09:08] <hoijui> i also first though, it could be something liek that..
[09:08] <hoijui> but i now tried on two PCs, and on one of them with two different browsers
[09:08] <hoijui> and its always the same..
[09:09] <hoijui> launchpad site sais, there was some error, and sorry :D
[09:09] <hoijui> kinds like windows... just no blue, and an additional sorry ;-)
[09:14] <mgz> hoijui: if you can't log in to launchpad at all, that's another issue
[09:15] <jelmer> MoonMaker: hi
[09:16] <jelmer> MoonMaker: unfortunately your repository contains submodules, so launchpad won't be able to import it successfully
[09:16] <jelmer> (see bug 402814 for reference)
[09:31] <MoonMaker> thanks jelmer, thats bad
[09:32] <MoonMaker> is there no trick to import it?
[09:33] <wgrant> hoijui: What's the OOPS ID that Launchpad gives you?
[09:39] <hoijui> wgrant, sorry.. the problem is solved..
[09:39] <hoijui> i knod of dont get  it...
[09:40] <hoijui> but the launchbad username i have seems to be aaaa-bbbb
[09:40] <hoijui> using this at the end of the OpenID URL fails
[09:40] <hoijui> if i use just he first part (aaaa) it works
[09:40] <hoijui> the aaaa-bbbb thing redirects to the aaaa thing
[09:41] <hoijui> aaaa is the user name of the email, bbbb the domain
[09:42] <hoijui> i dont get why the aaaa-bbbb even works.. i think it would be better if it would not, so this problem could not arise
[09:46] <hoijui> umm...
[09:46] <hoijui> ok now stackoverflow does not recognize me as the same user
[09:47] <jelmer> MoonMaker: you can of course provide another repository without the submodules (e.g. by filtering them out)
[09:48] <wgrant> hoijui: You have two separate Launchpad accounts, they don't redirect.
[09:49] <MoonMaker> hmm but I dont want to install it on my PC. Thats the nice thing for me to use github and generate the package on launchpad.
[09:49] <hoijui> ah...
[09:49] <MoonMaker> I sent an email to the author if he can stop working with submodules... we will see
[09:50] <wgrant> hoijui: They're each at a different .ch domain
[09:50] <hoijui> ok, thanks wgrant
[09:50] <hoijui> then that means, that one of them works to log in, and the other one not
[09:50] <wgrant> Yeah, because you're logged in as one of them.
[09:51] <wgrant> If you log out and back in with the other email address, the other username will work
[09:51] <wgrant> You may want to merge the two.
[09:51] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge
[09:52] <hoijui> ahh perfect, thanks :-)
[09:53] <hoijui> wgrant, does that mean, that only one of the accounts will work after that?
[09:53] <hoijui> or will it be a redirect?
[09:54] <hoijui> guess no redirect
[09:54] <wgrant> hoijui: It's a bit complicated... let's see.
[09:55] <wgrant> hoijui: Do you know which one your main stackoverflow account is linked to?
[09:56] <hoijui> yes
[09:56] <hoijui> the longer one
[09:57] <hoijui> hmm.. lets see if i can login to that one somehow...
[09:57] <wgrant> hoijui: You can either merge the short one into the long one, or merge the long into the short and rename the short to the lon.
[09:57] <hoijui> then merge the short one into that... that would casue no problems then, i think
[09:57] <wgrant> +g
[09:57] <hoijui> ahhh ok
[09:57] <hoijui> perfect
[09:58] <hoijui> ill do the merge + rename then
[09:58] <wgrant> You're currently logged into the short one?
[09:58] <hoijui> yes
[09:58] <hoijui> dont remember the password of the long one :D
[09:59] <hoijui> hehe.. i must appear very messy :D
[09:59] <wgrant> Nah, lots of people end up with duplicate accounts for various reasons :)
[09:59] <wgrant> Easily fixed!
[09:59] <hoijui> ok :D
[10:19] <hoijui> wgrant .. merged, and login wiht stackoverflow works well agian.. thanks! :-)
[10:25] <wgrant> hoijui: Excellent
[10:27] <hoijui> :-)
[11:34]  * czajkowski peers at mpt
[11:34] <mpt> 8-D
[11:34] <mpt> You did say you wanted more bugs
[11:34] <czajkowski> No I don't believe I said that
[11:35] <czajkowski> I do find the grey and pink hard to see
[11:35] <czajkowski> I'll give you that
[11:35] <mpt> No? Maybe I interpreted it the way I wanted to hear
[11:35] <czajkowski> and the font is a bit weak
[11:36] <mpt> There's pink?
[11:36] <mpt> oh, for "INCOMPLETE"?
[11:36] <czajkowski> mpt: yes see for others it's a lot more colourful :)
[13:35] <mlankhorst> at what point does a build timeout?
[13:48] <ugo> hi, I had a question from one of our partners in a project. He was asking me whether the data on launchpad server was encrypted and where the servers where physically.
[13:52] <ugo> does anyone know how I can find this out?
[13:52] <czajkowski> ugo: let me find out for you
[13:53] <ugo> czajkowski cool, thanks a lot (this question would be for a commercial account)
[13:53] <czajkowski> nods
[13:54] <czajkowski> ugo: are you canonical?
[13:54] <ugo> no
[13:54] <czajkowski> ok
[13:54] <ugo> we don't have a commercial account yet, but I contacted lp to get info on commercial accounts, etc... because we're involved in a EU project where we'd need private branches
[13:56] <czajkowski> ugo: ok I've asked about the data encrypted on the server, and the no it's not,  as for location it's in London
[13:56] <ugo> some of the partners have strong IP protection policies (data must be encrypted on the server, and the physical location may also be critical for their legal department)
[13:56] <ugo> thanks a lot for this
[13:56] <czajkowski> np
[14:00] <ara> hello!
[14:01] <czajkowski> ara: hi
[14:02] <ara> czajkowski, one quick question. Is there a way for Launchpad to allow us to decide whether to track bugs in the project or the package?
[14:03] <ara> czajkowski, for example, we have bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bugs
[14:03] <ara> but it does not help us much, because our project is mainly used in Ubuntu
[14:03] <ara> so a bug in our project is a bug in Ubuntu and vice-versa
[14:03] <czajkowski> nods
[14:04] <czajkowski> ara: not sure let me find out for you
[14:04] <mrevell> ara, You can turn bugs off in the project side of things, if you prefer to track bugs only on the package.
[14:05] <ara> mrevell, but I guess no the other way around
[14:06] <mrevell> ara, I don't think so, as that would be decided at the Ubuntu distro level. Sorry.
[14:06] <ara> OK, thanks!
[14:11] <dobey> ara: you can write a bot that uses the API to automatically add the package or the project, to the bugs, when they get filed
[14:11] <ara> dobey, yes, that was my second option :-)
[14:11] <ara> I wanted to double check if that was needed
[14:12] <dobey> ara: or if the project has a team associated with it, subscribe the team to all bug mail for the package in ubuntu. so the team gets notified of all the bugs on the project and the package
[14:12] <dobey> which is generally what we do for ubuntuone
[14:13] <ara> dobey, yes, but it is still difficult to track in two different places
[14:14] <dobey> yes it is. it's probably fine/safe for you to just have a bot that changes all bugs to affect both the project and the package, with some smarts about how to deal with series
[14:15] <dobey> for u1, we have to track in multiple, and users file bugs in the totally wrong place a lot of the time, so it takes some manual intervention to move them


[01:45] <ailo_> paultag: Im trying to figure out how to set a checkbutton checked without having that button send a signal. Is it possible?
[01:46] <ailo_> I'm reading the gtk reference, but I can't find anything that would do that.
[01:48] <paultag> ailo_: I think you can set it to checked with a call, what are you trying to do?
[01:48] <paultag> ailo_: to check stuff that should be checked or something?
[01:48] <ailo_> paultag: Yeah, but I don't want the button to send a signal after it was checked.
[01:49] <ailo_> Just set in checked mode so to speak
[01:49] <paultag> ailo_: I'm pretty sure you can do that
[01:49] <paultag> ailo_: let me fire up some man pages
[01:49] <paultag> moment
[01:49] <ailo_> paultag: Maybe I'm just going about it in the wrong way. I want to read settings and set the buttons accordingly.
[01:50] <paultag> ailo_: yuppers
[01:57] <paultag> ailo_: looks like it forces it's state
[01:57] <paultag> ailo_: why not set button states before you hook up callbacks?
[01:57] <paultag> the more I think about it, that's how I'd do it, I think
[01:58] <ailo_> Did you do any coding yet? My work today feels very hacky then anything.
[01:58] <paultag> ailo_: yeah I started prototyping some of where I thought it will go, and I feel like it's hacky as well
[01:58] <paultag> ailo_: I feel like most of this is becoming wrapped shell calls
[01:58] <paultag> ailo_: so I'm thinking about it right now, I've got the code up
[01:58] <ailo_> Are you using subprocess?
[01:59] <paultag> ailo_: I'm just going to wrap system(), screw it :)
[02:00] <paultag> ailo_: anyway, it's ok
[02:00] <paultag> ailo_: I think I have a good way to do most of this (in my head)
[02:02] <ailo_> paultag: Yeah, most of it is just installing/removing so far. Don't think there will be a realtime kernel.
[02:02] <paultag> ailo_: damn.
[02:02] <paultag> ailo_: anyway, yeah, we can just "batch" up actions in a queue, then push them all out and process them at once when we hit ok / apply
[02:02] <ailo_> I mean -realtime. -lowlatency I'm hoping will be in the repos, though
[02:03] <ailo_> That's what I figured, why I create a list of packages to be installed/removed
[02:04] <ailo_> I've been trying to figure out how to edit the audio.conf file. Still not piecing it together fully.
[02:04] <ailo_> And what is missing is check if user is in audio group
[02:04] <paultag> ailo_: it's going to be a hack, for sure. Let's not kid ourselfs, it's going to be a hack! :)
[02:05] <paultag> ailo_: we'll just find a way to get it done and do it, we've got 9 days till we *need* to be done
[02:05] <paultag> :)
[02:05] <paultag> I think doing a line-by-line read and replace might be the way to go
[02:05] <paultag> we need only put a warning up on top that it might be upgefucked
[02:07] <ailo_> Yeah, we need to add some warnings here and there. First I thought we get the all the functions working, and that's why I think it would be nice if we have a working program within a few days
[02:07] <paultag> aye
[02:07] <paultag> we're honestly not that far
[02:08] <ailo_> I've been working on the packages thing. Memlock/audio.conf needs to be done, adding user to audio group, and finally running all commands in one single shell command.
[02:09] <ailo_> We need to ask for password, but only once
[02:09] <paultag> truth
[02:31] <ailo_> paultag: If we drop the combobox for choosing a user we'll make it easier on ourself. Also, if no one know how to set what kernel to boot by default (-generic, -lowlatency) we can drop that too for now.
[02:32] <ailo_> What is left is just installing packages, adding the current user to audio group, adding audio.conf or reading memlock value from it(and editing it).
[02:33] <ailo_> I'm pretty close at finishing up the package install lists as well as syncing the buttons to that.
[02:35] <ailo_> paultag: We'll need to redesign the glade file a bit, by just copy/paste the controls a bit.
[12:48] <ailo_> paultag: I think I want to finish the program today, just that it will probably be ugly and in the worst case buggy. I thought if I do that, you can use that code if you want to or not. Also, since we won't have all the features present in the current glade file it makes more sence to have a one window app, so I will redesign the glade file today as well. What do you think?
[12:51] <ailo_> ScottL_: persia: Let's get the -lowlatency in. What's missing, guys?
[13:43] <ScottL_> i think that is between abogannia and persia at this time ailo_
[13:44] <ScottL_> perhaps alessio is waiting for me to build the -lowlatency kernel myself as well, dunno?
[14:03] <ailo_> ScottL_: paultag: Again, a version with everything on one page. Do we need more features than this for this release? http://imagebin.org/138867
[14:27] <ailo_> ScottL_: paultag: Will this do? http://imagebin.org/138870
[14:27] <ailo_> Made it a little prettier
[15:00] <ScottL_> ailo_, the second one certainly looks prettier :)
[15:00] <ScottL_> ailo_, an explanation for "set ubuntu studio defaults" might be helpful to users
[15:01] <ailo_> Scott_: I will add popups for those. Also hitting accept or Ok will popup an explanation as to what is going to happen, and let the user decide to accept or not.
[15:01] <ailo_> After the app is done, I will create a wiki page for the controls
[15:01] <ScottL_> cool
[15:01] <ailo_> So, hitting help will open a browser to that page
[15:01] <ScottL_> ailo_, there is a page for the controls, you might want to update that one
[15:02] <ScottL_> but that is a very cool idea :)
[15:02] <ailo_> ScottL_: Ok, good.
[15:11] <ScottL_> ailo_, this is the page:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioControls
[15:11] <ScottL_> notice that i deprecated the old stuff, can you please do that for this as well?
[15:11] <ScottL_> if someone is running the LTS version then they would probably appreciate "current" information for their -controls
[15:33] <ailo_> ScottL: I'll have a look. I'll focus more on the wiki as soon as the -controls are out of the way.
[16:17] <paultag> ailo_: that will do for sure
[16:18] <paultag> ailo_: feeling good?
[16:18] <ailo_> paultag: I'm fine. You?
[16:19] <paultag> ailo_: quite well, thanks. Feeling good about the code?
[16:20] <ailo_> paultag: It's ok. A little messy right now, but that's just because I'm not used to coding.
[16:20] <ailo_> I'll try to finish what I can and clean it up
[16:21] <paultag> :)
[16:21] <ailo_> I was using tabs all the time. Seems to work, but isn't Python-like
[16:21] <paultag> ailo_: I use tabs
[16:23] <paultag> :)
[16:24] <paultag> Now, time to see if this package rocks or not :)
[16:24] <paultag> fluxbox is looking fly as all hell


[13:08] <mup> PR operator#811 opened: Typing main <Created by PietroPasotti> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/811>
[18:09] <mup> Issue operator#812 opened: Support leader-settings-changed events with the harness <Created by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/812>


[09:20] <cjwatson> wgrant: Have you had a chance to look at any of my buildd branches?
[09:24] <wgrant> cjwatson: Vaguely. Was pretty sick and avoiding nasty state machines all last week, should get to them properly in a day or two.
[09:25] <cjwatson> OK, thanks
[09:25] <cjwatson> ubuflu?
[09:39] <wgrant> Probably
[09:39] <wgrant> It struck about two hours before I landed in Melbourne


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[17:57] <SpamapS> WHAT is higher priority than triage?!
[17:58] <SpamapS> sponsorship queue has been really good
[17:59] <SpamapS> I am there
[17:59] <SpamapS> I am everywhere
[17:59] <SpamapS> Wife is having baby soon.. don't want to miss it :)
[17:59] <SpamapS> In fact, I have to run to an appointment in 30 min
[17:59] <SpamapS> so don't start late
[18:02] <SpamapS> +1 thats what I do exactly as well.
[18:03] <SpamapS> apport has code to aggregate them
[18:05] <SpamapS> Frankly, I like the expiring of old unanswered reports.
[18:06] <SpamapS> A bug report that a reporter cannot explain and that a developer cannot progress *IS* Invalid
[18:07] <SpamapS> you can re-open your invalid report
[18:10] <SpamapS> If a developer is working on the problem and needs no more information, that is In Progress, not Incomplete.
[18:10] <rbasak> SpamapS: the problem with Invalid is that that it won't appear on a search if we try and investigate the issue later
[18:10] <Ursinha> SpamapS, but invalid reports don't show by default and it might be rude to the reporter to invalidate (specially if the problem is valid)
[18:11] <Ursinha> SpamapS, I was talking about missing information
[18:12] <rbasak> Say there are ten bugs of the same issue. The first one gets marked invalid. The second one gets marked Invalid. Etc. When actually we want to notice in aggregate that ten of the same report warrants significant further information.
[18:12] <SpamapS> I'm actually comfortable with looking at the bugs that everyone else has already looked at for that reason. New status on mysql means more to me than others, because I have worked on that package.
[18:13] <SpamapS> Per the Invalid status, I see the flaw in moving things to Invalid too soon.
[18:13] <rbasak> The trouble is that it effectively spams our triage list.
[18:14] <SpamapS> I don't seek to clear each queue. I work each tab each equally. 1 from New/Undecided, 1 from New Bugs, ..etc. etc.
[18:15] <SpamapS> IMO, we're just behind.
[18:16] <SpamapS> I would like to have a way to hide the bugs that have been looked at by everybody.
[18:17] <SpamapS> the response will make it "Incomplete ( with response )"
[18:18] <med_> so SpamapS you want the status to change when all reviewers have eyeballed it (and unable to work it)
[18:18] <SpamapS> rbasak: re the age sort. I work one from the oldest list, and then one from the newest.. so top, then bottom, then top..
[18:18] <rbasak> SpamapS: I think you're working around the real problem. That isn't really a solution.
[18:19] <SpamapS> Because the newest ones are the easiest, but the oldest ones are, as you say, the ones that need to be revisited.
[18:20] <SpamapS> rbasak: indeed, I want them to go away from my view when I've looked at them.
[18:20] <SpamapS> I think its worth leaving it on everybody else's lists though.
[18:21] <arosales> Could we just tag it as "screened" meaning someone has taken a first look at it, but not yet triaged?
[18:21] <SpamapS> guys I have to run, good discussion. I trust you all to come up with good ideas!
[18:21] <arosales> see you SpamapS
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[00:05] <F41L> Ok, so... I'm tethered to my cell ATM on the KDE box. The only way to pick the bootloader was to do manual drive setup, which meant having to set my own mountpoints and swap location.
[00:06] <F41L> Anyway.... I can't connect to freenode using Konversation or Quassel. >.>
[00:06] <F41L> Says no ident response.
[00:10] <kdebooth> F41L: no internet connection?
[00:10] <F41L> No, I've got an internet connection. USB tethered to my 4G phone.
[00:11] <kdebooth> Ok neat
[00:12] <F41L> [17:11] [Notice] -asimov.freenode.net- *** No Ident response [17:11] [Info] Disconnected from irc.freenode.net (port 6697).
[00:12] <kdebooth> Hmm
[00:12] <kdebooth> What's your name set as in those two?
[00:13] <F41L> Idunno, same as always?
[00:13] <F41L> Not really important. I'd love to get my ethernet up, though :D
[00:13] <F41L> Intel 82574L, shows up in lspci
[00:13] <F41L> But I think it has bad NVM configuration
[00:16] <kdebooth> Ugh Why is intel stuff so wonky
[00:17] <kdebooth> What are you using now to connect to IRC?
[00:19] <F41L> Right now, I'm using my cellphone tether >.>
[00:19] <F41L> but only through freenode webchat.
[00:19] <F41L> quassel or konversation both cannot connect to freenode for whatever reason O.o
[00:20] <F41L> Worked fine before using cellphone-ternet on my laptop
[00:20] <kdebooth> ah webchat
[00:20] <kdebooth> F41L: can you join #konversation ?
[01:22] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: ping
[01:27] <kdebooth> hi Linkmaster
[01:27] <Linkmaster> kdebooth: hello?
[01:28]  * kdebooth waves
[01:29] <Linkmaster> Do you know how to help me with my dual-boot problem?
[01:35] <Linkmaster_> kdebooth: I missed anything you might have said
[05:22] <Programmer_> what is the purpose of activities in kubuntu
[07:45] <goodtime> man what do i use for kubuntu to copy music to my iphone
[07:52] <hateball> goodtime: I was under the impression that Amarok would handle iDevices, but I don't have any myself to test on
[08:00] <goodtime> ok
[08:00] <goodtime> ty hateball
[08:01] <goodtime> Connecting to iPhone, iPad or iPod touch failed.
[08:01] <hateball> !iphone
[09:14] <eagles0513875_> hey guys is anyone noticing on 13.04 when using chromium its asking constantly to install the unity web apps plugin. I am on kde and i have no intention to install it is there a way i can disable that in chromium
[09:28] <noaXess> hey hey
[09:29] <noaXess> have upgraded to 13.04.. seams all is working fine on my ASUS N76VZ, check out this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2134380
[09:29] <noaXess> but now.. skype does have sound problem.. some crazy effects if eg. i get a message
[09:30] <noaXess> it's only in skype. if i listen some music with vlc it is ok as it should
[09:55] <fr0gger_> anyone know if there is chanell about VirtualGL and VNC-like software?
[10:10] <ct529> hi everybody .... I am having serious performance problems. I have been trying to set the CPU frequency manually using command line (CLI), but the "usual" commands are not there any more .... how do you do it now?
[10:16] <monkeyjuice> http://askubuntu.com/questions/209514/how-to-step-up-my-cpus-frequency
[10:20] <ct529> monkeyjuice: that is not for setting your cpu frequency using CLI
[10:20] <ct529> monkeyjuice: it is for reading cpu frequency using CLI
[10:20] <ct529> monkeyjuice: I need to set it.
[10:20] <ct529> monkeyjuice: before you just used cpufreq-set
[10:20] <monkeyjuice> ok ill keep looking around
[10:20] <ct529> monkeyjuice: I have done a lot of googling, I keep ending up on GUI ways of doing it
[10:21] <monkeyjuice> oh i c
[10:21] <monkeyjuice> your on 13.04?
[10:21] <fr0gger_> yes
[10:22] <monkeyjuice> ah so something has changed i get it
[10:34] <ct529> monkeyjuice: trying cpulimit now .... but it works a different way.
[10:35] <monkeyjuice> i do see cpufrequtil but looks to be a gui
[10:35] <monkeyjuice> not sure
[10:36] <ct529> I think I am ready to move to gentoo or arch ....
[12:45] <BluesKaj> HIyas all
[12:50] <tdn> I have just installed 13.04 in a fresh installation. I have enabled auto-login during installation, however, when I boot up, it seems that lightdm is not even started. How do I fix this?
[12:51] <tdn> If I start lightdm manually by running service lightdm start, it starts and logs me right in.
[12:51] <tdn> Why does lightdm not start automatically? How do I debug this? Which log files to look in?
[12:51] <tdn> Why does kubuntu not use KDM anymore?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> lightdm skips it's login page with autologin enabled , afaik
[12:52] <tdn> BluesKaj, it seems that it does not even start up.
[12:52] <tdn> BluesKaj, I just get the console mode login.
[12:52] <BluesKaj> it doesn't need to
[12:52] <tdn> So I can log into a TTY and run sudo service lightdm start.
[12:52] <BluesKaj> oh
[12:52] <tdn> BluesKaj, it does not?
[12:53] <tdn> Also, when I do get X up, it seems that network manager is not running.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> autologin skipped it's page and went directly to the desktop when i used it , but that was a while back
[12:53] <tdn> BluesKaj, yeah, that would be the bahavior I expected.
[12:53] <tdn> BluesKaj, but it does not even start up. Or maybe it crashes?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> have you updated upgraded since the install?
[12:54] <tdn> BluesKaj, fresh install.
[12:54] <BluesKaj> tdn,, no matter have you updated and upgraded?>
[12:54] <tdn> BluesKaj, you mean apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:55] <tdn> BluesKaj, yes, all updates are installed.
[12:56] <BluesKaj> ok tdn , did you try reinstalling lightdm?
[12:56] <tdn> I have not tried that. apt-get reinstall lightdm?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> tdn,  sudo apt-get install --reinstall lightdm
[12:58] <tdn> BluesKaj, I will try that, but why would this have any effect? This is a *fresh* installation. I installed it 1 hour ago.
[12:58] <tdn> reinstall will just reinstall the binaries frmo the .deb package, right?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> tdn, there a few issues with lightdm , and a reinstall might bring the dependency lib that might have not installed properly
[13:00] <tdn> I have reinstalled. I am rebooting now.
[13:01] <BluesKaj> it happened to me with 12.10 and 13.04 in the tresting phase
[13:01] <BluesKaj> testing
[13:01] <tdn> BluesKaj, did not work.
[13:02] <tdn> BluesKaj, lightdm stilld oes not come up.
[13:02] <tdn> Is there a log file I can see if it is even trying to start it?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> tdn , you have the autologin turned off ?
[13:03] <tdn> BluesKaj, no, I enabled it during OS installation.
[13:05] <BluesKaj> you can disable it in system settings>login screen >general tab, tdn
[13:06] <BluesKaj> it could be the auto login is failing by turning lightdm off completely
[13:07] <BluesKaj> tdn, you checj the logs in /var/log syslog
[13:08] <tdn> BluesKaj, what to look for in syslog?
[13:10] <tdn> BluesKaj, it does not seem that lightdm has any messages in syslog before I manually restart it.
[13:12] <BluesKaj> then it isn't being called to load , might be a bug , tdn
[13:12] <tdn> BluesKaj, how do I fix it?
[13:12] <tdn> BluesKaj, how do I make it load lightdm in bootup?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> you can disable it in system settings>login screen >general tab, tdn
[13:12] <tdn> BluesKaj, I am pretty sure that such a bug would be noticed, I mean if X does not come up...
[13:13] <tdn> BluesKaj, why would I want to disable autologin?
[13:13] <tdn> I want that.
[13:13] <BluesKaj> tdn, disable the autologin
[13:13] <BluesKaj> well then you need to report the bug to launchpad
[13:13] <tdn> OK, I have disabled auto now.
[13:13] <tdn> Rebooting.
[13:14] <BluesKaj> it's safer not to autologin
[13:14] <tdn> BluesKaj, no, not in my environment.
[13:14] <tdn> BluesKaj, also, I want this behavior. And disabling auto login did NOT help.
[13:14] <BluesKaj> how can it not be safer
[13:15] <smartboyhw> tdn: Auto-login is NEVER safe.
[13:16] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, he wants what he wants , so let him file a bug
[13:17] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, unless you have a fix
[13:17] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, I know, I need to tell him the fact
[13:18] <smartboyhw> What's the release BTW? 13.04?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> already did , but he seems to need a quick login
[13:18] <BluesKaj> yes , 13.04 fresh install
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Report bug is best then:(
[13:21] <BluesKaj> I had the same problem , but it was waaay back in the early days of 13.04 ...wasn't using autologin but lightdm wouldn't load , had to load it from the tty
[13:31] <tdn> BluesKaj, smartboyhw: please let us keep the security discussion out of this. This is a portable virtual machine that only has one user. For the purpose of this machine, it does not make sense to not have auto login. Regardless, the security aspect is not relevant for my problem. The problem is that I am trying to use a useful feature that is included in Kubuntu... But this problem does not even seem to be caused by autologin. The problem is that li
[13:31] <tdn> Even when I disable autologin.
[13:32] <BluesKaj> tdn, then you should have expalined that in the first place. We can't read minds .
[13:33] <smartboyhw> VMs....
[13:34] <invariant> tdn, you should not bother with BluesKaj. He is ignorant.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> yeah , that really irks me when ppl are on VB or VMware and don't tell us what environment they're computing in. It's not the same as anormal install.
[13:35] <smartboyhw> invariant: That's a bad insult.
[13:35] <invariant> smartboyhw, it's not an insult when it is the truth.
[13:35] <BluesKaj> ok invariant show us your stuff , fix this guys lightdm not loading problem
[13:35] <invariant> BluesKaj, how is that even remotely related?
[13:35]  * smartboyhw agrees with BluesKaj
[13:36] <invariant> BluesKaj, all I know is that your problem resolution success rate is close to zero.
[13:36] <invariant> BluesKaj, it's not worth to listen to.
[13:36] <invariant> Which reminds me to put you on my ignore list again.
[13:36] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, don't bother with his insults , it's his only pleasure in life , or so it seems , let him stew
[13:36] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj: +1
[13:37] <invariant> If smartboyhw thinks BluesKaj has any skills, he can also go on the list.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> ok invariant , cmon show us how wonderful you are and help someone , and be a positive influence for a change
[13:38] <smartboyhw> invariant: If people have to have 50% correct rate to answer user support, nobody will be doing it.
[14:30] <tdn> BluesKaj, I was not aware what it was relevant for my problem (I am still not sure it really is), and you did not ask if this was a VM.
[15:29] <akSeya> hi folks
[15:30] <akSeya> I get no mouse nor keyboard after upgrade to 13.04. If i boot with kernel 3.5.0 it works but with latest kernel don't. what can I do?
[15:33] <akSeya> looks like network do not work either
[15:34] <akSeya> be right back
[15:47] <francisloves> hello
[16:26] <scottlocal> I have installed pbis open and joined the AD domain and can log in using the domain account but the desktop does not load icon and can not set display settings
[16:27] <scottlocal> I am trying to find the domain user in kusers to add admin the the account but can not find a domain account in the kusers how do i show ad users in my list
[16:31] <roasted> hello friends
[16:31] <roasted> is the homerun launcher not integrated into 13.04? Or is it still required via ppa?
[16:32] <scottlocal> hello I ask my question first sorry
[16:33] <bazhang> !find homerun
[16:34] <Tm_T> bazhang: different homerun
[16:34] <bazhang> roasted  hdhomerun?
[16:34] <roasted> bazhang: homerun launcher.
[16:34] <roasted> bazhang: the Unity-esque KDE Launcher
[16:34] <bazhang> Tm_T, whats the package name
[16:34] <Tm_T> bazhang: "homerun"
[16:35] <Tm_T> roasted: cannot find it in standard repositories
[16:35] <roasted> yeah I'm not seeing it in the 13.04 repos
[16:35] <bazhang> then it appears to be PPA only roasted
[16:35] <roasted> I thought it would be added in 13.04. hm.
[16:35] <roasted> that's fine, I was just confused. I could have sworn conversation with the homerun dev suggested it would be in 13.04 by default
[16:35] <roasted> (this was about 2-3 months ago)
[16:40] <Tm_T> roasted: it should be in the repos, yes, not in use by default though
[16:41] <roasted> Tm_T: I understand it's not in use by default. I just thought it'd be available. I'll know more in about 5 seconds though wit hthis live VM
[16:41] <roasted> oh nice - it is there by default. IT's an available widget.
[16:41] <roasted> awesome
[16:43] <roasted> the homerun launcher sure is snazzy.
[16:43] <Elirips> Hello. I'm trying to do a fresh install of 13.04. But I get the error: ubi-console-setup failed with exit code 141. any help?
[16:43] <Elirips> just after partitioning the disk
[16:43] <Elirips> and selecting switzerland as country
[16:45] <Elirips> cannot set LC_TYPE to default locale: no such file
[16:45] <Elirips> (or similiar)
[16:45] <Elirips> can that be because of I'm not connected to the internet?
[16:49] <Elirips> tail -f /var/log/syslog
[16:49] <Elirips> ops, sorry
[16:59] <Schrodinger`Cat> hey
[17:03] <MySystem> is it possible with diff to only show files&folders which are on FOLDER1 but not on FOLDER2 and ignore all which are on FOLDER2 and not on FOLDER1 diff cmd looks atm like "diff -r FOLDER1 FOLDER2"
[17:08] <Elirips> Okay, the error doesnt show up if I run the installer in english
[17:11] <Schrodinger`Cat> MySystem: maybe you can try ##linux ?
[17:12] <MySystem> ok thx will try
[17:48] <aguitel> how manage ufw from systemsettings in kde ?
[17:52] <krissi_> I got no fronts in steam on linux on kubuntu 13.04 anyone have any idea what i can do ?
[17:53] <Quintasan> krissi_: I'm not entirely sure why, you might actually want to ask on Steam forums
[17:58] <BluesKaj> aguitel, install gufw if you need a gui control
[17:59] <aguitel> BluesKaj, this is gnome apps
[17:59] <Quintasan> I believe there is no ufw frontend for kde in repositories
[18:00] <Quintasan> aguitel: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/UFW+KControl+Module?content=137789
[18:01] <Quintasan> You might want to try compling that
[18:01] <BluesKaj> aguitel, then install the gnome vers ion , this is kubuntu suport , btw
[18:04] <BluesKaj> aguitel,, dunno if it's a kde app , didn't check , but muon says this in the description , Canonical does not provide updates for gufw. Some updates may be provided by the Ubuntu community
[18:04] <aguitel> BluesKaj, ok
[18:14] <l0ll0lll-> hi all. I've just launched kubuntu 13.04 from livecd, and the plasma panel appears almost empty - only activities button and a kashew is present. Is it somehow a new "feature" of kubuntu or what?
[18:15] <l0ll0lll-> s/kashew/cashew/
[18:18] <BluesKaj> l0ll0lll-, is the Kmenu on left of the panel ?
[18:19] <l0ll0lll-> BluesKaj: no
[18:20] <l0ll0lll-> had to add launcher, task manager and clock
[18:20] <BluesKaj> hmm, check if kubuntu-desktop is completely installed
[18:20] <l0ll0lll-> (btw, if this matters, x started in extended desktop mode, with panel on right monitor, maybe this setup broke kde?)
[18:21] <l0ll0lll-> s/kde/plasma/
[18:22] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:23] <eli__> Hello. How can I change the locale? Currently it is set to de_CH.ISO-8859-1 but I would like to have de_CH.UTF8 ?
[18:23] <eli__> I setted LANG="de_CH.UTF8" in /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale, but no effect
[18:23] <eli__> after a reboot locale reports 8859-1
[19:37] <michaelp> fresh install of ukubuntu 13.04... i have no hdmi audio.. any ideas ?
[19:38] <michaelp> pulseaudio installed
[19:43] <BluesKaj> michaelp, itel audio ?
[19:43] <BluesKaj> intel rather
[19:45] <michaelp> idt built in sound.. but hdmi goes thru my ati catalyst
[19:45] <michaelp> Never had this problem until now
[19:49] <BluesKaj> yes but what is your soundcard, it transfers the audio thru the ati hdmi out , michaelp
[19:50] <michaelp> i already said    ( IDT )
[19:50] <BluesKaj> aplay -l in the terminal
[19:50] <michaelp> i googled... its a bug
[19:51] <michaelp> supose to be fixed next kernel update
[19:52] <michaelp> card 0: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
[19:52] <michaelp> Subdevices: 1/1
[19:52] <michaelp>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[19:53] <michaelp> ard 1: Generic_1 [HD-Audio Generic], device 0: STAC92xx
[19:53] <michaelp> Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
[19:58] <BluesKaj> hmm, michaelp we need to know the audio chip , if it's anintel and i suspect it is, there's a patch for it
[19:58] <BluesKaj> cat /proc/asound/cards , michaelp
[20:00] <michaelp>  HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
[20:03] <BluesKaj> michaelp, here's the patch https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/alsa-daily/+build/4470143
[20:06] <michaelp> is i386 going to work on x64 ?
[20:08] <michaelp> what link do i want on that
[20:09] <BluesKaj> ok nm , Ilost the 64 bit link , michaelp
[20:10] <michaelp> BluesKaj: i ment what link do i want for the patch
[20:11] <michaelp> is this the file oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms
[20:29] <BluesKaj> michaelp, did you find the 64 bit patch ?
[20:38] <ardian> Hi I have Ubuntu 12.04 installed and I want to install the last version of KDE 4.10, how do I install it
[20:38] <bazhang> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10
[20:38] <bazhang> ardian, ^
[20:39] <ardian> bazhang: thank you
[20:39] <bazhang> from the topic :)
[20:40] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports , ardian
[20:40] <ardian> and then can I install it from tasksel
[20:40] <BluesKaj> ardian, then update and upgrade
[20:41] <ardian> well I don't have kde
[20:41] <ardian> installed
[20:41] <ardian> right now
[20:41] <steve723> update ornic to latest version failed
[20:43] <BluesKaj> steve723, you can't jump over releases, do a freah install and backup your data first
[20:44] <lordievader> Unless it is LTS -> LTS.
[20:44] <bazhang> !oneiric
[20:44] <steve723> Muno updater said I could upgrade so I told it to to.  It got %63 of the packages and then quit with no error message.
[20:45] <bazhang> 11.10 was not lts
[20:47] <BluesKaj> ardian, you can install kubuntu-desktop then choose your desktop at login
[20:48] <ardian> BluesKaj: got it thanks
[20:52] <asunnO> im having issues with vmware on 64 bit raring.... i cant enter serial and the app crashes..
[20:52] <asunnO> virtualbox is functional but crashes often
[20:52] <asunnO> ?
[20:52] <bazhang> asunnO, vmware?
[20:52] <asunnO> workstation
[20:53] <bazhang> tried in #vmware ?
[20:53] <asunnO> lol
[20:53] <asunnO> xd
[20:53] <asunnO> thx
[20:53] <asunnO> my bad
[20:53] <bazhang> np
[20:54] <steve723> I made a mistake I was upgrading from 12.10
[20:55] <steve723> 64 Bit
[20:59] <steve723> Why can't I download Raring? The download site only has Percise.
[21:01] <bazhang> !torrents
[21:01] <bazhang> steve723, ^
[21:01] <BluesKaj> sudo do-release-upgrade, if you want to upgrade via the internet , steve723
[21:01] <Whiskey`Wonka> erm
[21:01] <steve723> Thanks
[21:02] <Whiskey`Wonka> anyone know why gimp would not have tiff support?
[21:03] <bazhang> Whiskey`Wonka, try in #gimp ?
[21:03] <Whiskey`Wonka> bazhang: sorry let me be clear, its a kubuntu repo of gimp edition
[21:03] <Whiskey`Wonka> issue
[21:05] <steve723> I did sudo do-release-upgrade and it failed! All repositorys faailed to fetch!
[21:11] <BluesKaj> steve723, have you updated and upgraded your packages lately . if not do so , and check your /etc/apt/sources.list to make sure you "are on 12.10 precise"
[21:12] <asunnO> is 3.9 kernel available at this time
[21:12] <lordievader> asunnO: I don't think it is for Raring. Just saw that it available for Saucy (13.10 development version).
[21:13] <BluesKaj> asunnO, https://www.kernel.org/
[21:13] <asunnO> Could it be estimated the time until raring release?
[21:14] <asunnO> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM2MDU
[21:14] <asunnO> This concerns me,
[21:14] <lordievader> asunnO: Releases usually stick to the kernel they came shipped with. LTS being an exception.
[21:15] <asunnO> I see, ,,   well raring i know is LTS,     might it be available in few days or should i go to development verison?
[21:15] <bazhang> raring is not lts
[21:15] <lordievader> asunnO: Raring is not LTS, Precise (12.04) is.
[21:15] <BluesKaj> asunnO, you can download it at kernel.org
[21:15] <asunnO> oh, someone tell me raring is lts
[21:16] <bazhang> raring is out now
[21:16] <lordievader> asunnO: Develpment versions are not recommended...
[21:16] <bazhang> and raring is not one
[21:17] <asunnO> would i have more ease with download kernel from kernel.org or use development saucy
[21:17] <asunnO> i am interested in the improvements in kernel 3.9
[21:17] <bazhang> there is nothing available for saucy now
[21:18] <lordievader> bazhang: Only the repo's. But that's about it.
[21:18] <bazhang> lordievader, they have nothing of note
[21:18] <asunnO> Ah, i understand
[21:18] <asunnO> So more easily would really be wait for saucy to be release
[21:18] <asunnO> for ease of upgrade
[21:18] <bazhang> asunnO, some random kernel is not supported at all
[21:19] <asunnO> taht is what i thought
[21:19] <asunnO> So when saucy is release then i can use the 3.9
[21:19] <lordievader> bazhang: 3.9 kernel.
[21:25] <steve723> Thanks BluesKaj it seems to be upgrading now.
[21:27] <BluesKaj> steve723, good , hope it all goes well
[21:29] <steve723> to BluesKaj, I hope so.  I will see in a bit when I reboot ater the upgrade gets done.
[21:41] <steve723> See you folks later.
[23:04] <Whiskey`Wonka> muon respects pinned packages via /etc/apt/preferences right?
[23:07] <nafg_> Hi, the git plugin does not seem to be working in dolphin.
[23:15] <nafg_> Apparently it is working but I can't figure out why it's not overlaying some files' icons
[23:31] <Macer> omg since this update to 13.04 (stable??) i have had nothing but problems
[23:31] <Macer> printing won't work. bt tethering causes a kernel panic
[23:31] <Macer> it's insane
[23:49] <Macer> wow this really is messed up the older 12.10 was awesome
[23:49] <Macer> update and now it turned to total garbage
[23:49] <Macer> let me move over to my win7 box since i can't even print on this laptop anymore
[23:50] <Macer> is there a kde based distro that is a bit more stable than ubuntu based kubuntu?