[01:02] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[01:03] <kosaidpo> im using pidign is there any way to bookmark some room for a re-use ??
[01:04] <zkriesse> kosaidpo: you mean save the room so you can re=join it with ease?
[01:05] <kosaidpo> zkriesse: yess : D
[01:05] <zkriesse> kosaidpo: Ok so go to the Pidgin menu
[01:06] <zkriesse> Click Buddies -> Add Chat
[01:06] <zkriesse> It should have your IRC account filled in already if it's the only one you use, and then put in the channel or channels you wish to join in that chat example
[01:06] <zkriesse> #channel,#channel2,#channel
[01:07] <kosaidpo> you mean the the menu of this window from where im tlkin to you or the main window of pidigin
[01:08] <zkriesse> The main pidgin window
[01:08] <kosaidpo> ok let me test it i guess i find it
[01:11] <kosaidpo> zkriesse: okay tnx it works
[01:11] <kosaidpo> : D
[01:12] <kosaidpo> zkriesse: btw another problem on lubuntu when im off the internet icant test my php script on chromuim but i do on firefox so weird any idea what may cause that
[01:12] <zkriesse> kosaidpo: ah the lubuntu issue...PhillW already answered that in the lubuntu email list
[01:12] <zkriesse> But you should ask that in #lubuntu not here
[01:13] <kosaidpo> yeh i kno
[01:13] <kosaidpo> it ddidnt wokr that removin cache  tip
[01:13] <kosaidpo> can i DM you ?
[01:14] <zkriesse> You may pm me yes....although support questions are better asked in the channel so all can assist
[01:14] <zkriesse> But if it's private than you may
[01:16] <kosaidpo> zkriesse: no since you said i cant ask question related to lubuntu infact i had this problem also when i had ubuntu
[01:17] <zkriesse> You can ask man....just remember that most here will be using ubuntu not Lubuntu...I'm saying that its better to ask in #lubuntu
[01:17] <zkriesse> and you can pm me..i have no problem with that...
[01:44] <pointydrip1> is there a text editor that has an autofill feature like that of the terminal?
[01:47] <kosaidpo> peace out
[02:18] <isiah> linux gave me super powers! Saved my butt the first two weeks at work
[02:23] <pedro3005> isiah, :)
[02:24] <isiah> yo pedro3005
[05:04] <tcrawley> Which channel should I use for Ubuntu netbook questions ?
[05:09] <zkriesse> tcrawley: #ubuntu should be fine...and here is cool too
[05:11] <tcrawley> I have tried to install the latest version of Ubuntu Netbook  Remix on my Asus 1005HA without success
[05:11] <tcrawley> The installer hangs just before the disk partition screen
[05:12] <tcrawley> I already have an Eeebuntu installation on the machine.
[05:12] <tcrawley> I select the US Keyboard and then the installer just hangs
[05:12] <zkriesse> How long does it hang up for?
[05:13] <tcrawley> It stops responding. The ball stops spinning. I haven't allowed it to timeout.
[05:13] <tcrawley> I usually windup rebooting
[05:13] <tcrawley> The CD stops being read
[05:14] <tcrawley> Can the ball stop spinning as part of the installation?
[05:14] <zkriesse> It might...i've not installed UNR before though
[05:19] <seidos> tcrawley, your only option may be to try a different version.  I'm not sure anyone is knowledgeable enough to fix your bug, outright.
[05:19] <seidos> tcrawley, check the forums, google, and if that doesn't work you could create a bug and wait, and while you wait work on some other project.
[06:24] <diannaore> i was wondering if someone could help me get some software installed, I used synaptec package manager to mark them and I applied that but they don't show up in the add/remove software
[06:26] <pedro3005> which software?
[06:26] <diannaore> blackberry sync software namely barrybackup-gui
[06:27] <Mohan_chml> diannaore, is that application running?
[06:28] <diannaore> no i cant find it to open it, all i did was mark it in synaptec and apply it, then i went to add/remove software but couldnt find it. Is that the general procedure for installing software?
[06:29] <pedro3005> diannaore, did synaptic download & install it?
[06:30] <diannaore> yes as far as i know, is there a way to check?
[06:30] <Mohan_chml> diannaore, yes and do one thing, get back to synaptic packet manager, and search for the same application and check whether its installed
[06:31] <diannaore> yea I think it is installed, when i select the installed tab on the left it does show up
[06:32] <Mohan_chml> hmmm type the exact name of the application in terminal and hit enter
[06:33] <diannaore> it says command not found
[06:33] <Mohan_chml> you entered the same name as the name you saw in synaptic?
[06:34] <diannaore> yea the name under the package column i entered barrybackup-gui
[06:35] <Mohan_chml> thats weird... pedro3005 still hooking up?
[06:35] <pedro3005> try barrybackup
[06:36] <diannaore> oh there it goes... success!
[06:36] <pedro3005> :)
[06:36] <Mohan_chml> diannaore, have a nice day (:
[06:36] <diannaore> thanks u2
[06:36] <Mohan_chml> pedro3005, good job =]
[06:37] <Mohan_chml> (:
[06:37] <Mohan_chml> pedro3005, sup?
[06:37] <pedro3005> not much
[06:37] <pedro3005> I was looking over some Erlang today
[06:37] <pedro3005> cool stuff
[06:38] <Mohan_chml> okies... carryon
[06:40] <diannaore> is there a way to get that app to show up in my applications menu?
[06:42] <pedro3005> diannaore, sometimes it takes restarting GNOME. if it's still not showing up, make a shortcut
[06:42] <diannaore> how do i make a shortcut? sorry i'm new
[06:43] <pedro3005> diannaore, right click on Applications, go to Edit Menu. click on new item
[06:44] <diannaore> cool thx again
[06:44] <pedro3005> After finding the subdirectory you want it in, of course
[06:48] <tenach> o/
[06:49] <diannaore> in general is there a way to know the exact name of the app that might be different than what is showing in synaptic? (like in this case)
[06:50] <pedro3005> diannaore, you can use apropos for searching in commands
[06:56] <diannaore> so in this case for example how would i find the exact name of the app of barrybackup-gui using apropos?
[06:59] <pedro3005> apropos barry
[07:00] <pedro3005> diannaore, apropos is really just a search feature for all your commands
[07:03] <diannaore> the thing is i had no way of knowing to look for solely "barry" or "barrybackup" with the info given to me from synaptic, is it just a guessing game and i should just try different possibe things? the only info synaptic gave me was barrybackup-gui
[07:03] <pedro3005> that's exactly why apropos is useful. it'll search for you
[07:04] <diannaore> if i type "apropos barrybackup-gui" nothing happens
[07:09] <pedro3005> diannaore, leave out the -gui
[07:24] <diannaore> my computer has front sd card, I plug in a card and it lights up but the card doesnt show up on my desktop, how can i download the files off my sd card?
[12:16] <sebsebseb> Hi
[12:16] <shredder12> hi sebsebseb
[12:17] <sebsebseb> shredder12: hi
[15:05] <harrison> Anyone here good at file system recovery?
[15:07] <harrison> Someone tried to help me yesterday but he/she didn't know the answer.
[16:08] <ubuntu> hello help in bootloader
[16:08] <harrison> Whats the problem?
[16:10] <ubuntu> when i used a Windows Vista ...to solved a Grub Rescue...     i use a bootrec.exe /fixmbr  then my Dell boot only ...o Dell windows and return again..
[16:11] <harrison> Rephrase please.
[16:11] <ubuntu> when  press power on my dell laptop...then boot only a Dell windows and return again ...
[16:11] <harrison> Is this a Wubi or a standard install?
[16:12] <harrison> What version of ubuntu are you running?
[16:12] <ubuntu> When I encounter the problem of Grub Rescue.....ok I follow the method to use OS of Windows Vista for repair  and then i used in command prompt   bootrec.exe/fixmbr...
[16:12] <ubuntu> the latest version of ubuntu 10.04
[16:13] <harrison> okay
[16:13] <harrison> After the POST screen do you get the grub menu?
[16:13] <ubuntu> afterwards when I restart my dell laptop.......only the Dell Windows start up then restart automatically
[16:13] <ubuntu> nothin saw a Grub Menu
[16:14] <ubuntu> only Dell Windows appear seconds then restart automatically nothing I saw a Grub Menu...
[16:15] <ubuntu> any solution about this...
[16:15] <harrison> Did you try reinstalling the windows bootloader?
[16:16] <ubuntu> no i never reinstalling windows bootloader ...I used only a Windows vista using a command prompt and type a bootrec.exe/fixmbr thats all
[16:17] <ubuntu> then this is what happen to me in Dell start up...appears in seconds and suddenly restart automatically..
[16:17] <harrison> a windows vista recovery disk or the installed operating system?
[16:17] <ubuntu> only a windows recovery disk....
[16:17] <ubuntu> only a windows recovery disk....cd disk
[16:18] <harrison> Ahh
[16:18] <harrison> Okay I know that know.
[16:18] <ubuntu> any solution about my problem
[16:19] <harrison> The command you ran apears to have reinstalled the windows bootloader
[16:19] <harrison> Another thing, What is "Dell start up"?
[16:20] <harrison> I am getting there.
[16:20] <ubuntu> i donot know...I only follow the method of using a recovery disk of Windows vista and type a command prompt there
[16:20] <harrison> To a sulution.
[16:20] <ubuntu> Dell start up only pop up then it is restart automatically again again again and again
[16:22] <harrison> The best way I see it go to help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 (I think that is the url) and closer to the bottom there is a section on reinstalling grub2.
[16:22] <ubuntu> no grub menu appears ...only Dell Start Up windows appear in a few seconds and it it restart automatically
[16:23] <harrison> you need a live cd or a live usb.
[16:23] <ubuntu> ok when i use this ubuntu cd live....i cannot see my hardisk....or any partition hardisk.....what this mean this....
[16:23] <ubuntu> i used already a ubuntu cd live now....
[16:23] <harrison> Are you on a live cd right now?
[16:24] <ubuntu> yessss
[16:24] <ubuntu> yes i 'am now using a live Cd...
[16:25] <harrison> Okay, Go to system -> Administration -> Gparted Let that start and it should show what the hard drive looks like.
[16:27] <ubuntu> ok i saw there...but not on my file and folder menu
[16:27] <ubuntu> ok  i saw there in Gparted...
[16:27] <harrison> Is it started?
[16:27] <harrison> Or starting?
[16:28] <ubuntu> there is already a sda1 ....sda2
[16:28] <ubuntu> sda3
[16:28] <ubuntu> sda5 and sda6...
[16:29] <harrison> Okay
[16:29] <harrison> What are the filesystem types?
[16:29] <pointydrip> is there a way to get prerelease updates for individual project git repositories?
[16:29] <ubuntu> ok wait
[16:30] <harrison> pointydrip: rephrase please.
[16:30] <paultag> pointydrip: there are things called recipies that might be what you're looking for
[16:31] <ubuntu> sda1 - ft16     sda2 unknown   sda3  extended   sda5  unknown    sda6  fat32
[16:31] <paultag> pointydrip: you can automate .deb builds of git bleeding edge, if that's what you're talking about
[16:32] <pointydrip> well I keep trying to install lemonpos but it downloads as version 0.9.1 but there is a bug fix in 0.9.3
[16:32] <ubuntu> harrison where is the filesystem here...
[16:32] <harrison> ubuntu: It appears that you don't have any linux partitions but there were some there before.
[16:32] <paultag> pointydrip: ahha. One sec
[16:33] <pointydrip> I need to be able to have it updated automatically (not from .deb) and the author mentions that 0.9.3 rc2 is prerelease
[16:33] <ubuntu> yes it was have a linux deleted before....this is appeared already
[16:33] <paultag> pointydrip: we don't have a 0.9.3 release in Ubuntu
[16:33] <paultag> pointydrip: one second.
[16:34] <harrison> ubuntu: Rephrase please.
[16:34] <paultag> yeah pointydrip, nothing.
[16:34] <paultag> pointydrip: might have to wait until after 10.10
[16:35] <ubuntu> i mean.....i deleted accidentally so ....here is the fdisk -l  here...
[16:36] <harrison> pastebin.ubuntu.com?
[16:36] <ubuntu> harrison any help please
[16:37] <harrison> Where is the fdisk -l?
[16:37] <harrison> *output
[16:37] <harrison> I am thinking of a solution.
[16:39] <ubuntu> /dev/sda1   -- dell utility    /dev/sda2-- hpfns/ntfs       /dev/sda3 w95 ext'd(LBa)        /dev/sda5 hpfs/ntfs   /dev/sda6  unknown
[16:40] <harrison> okay, Open a terminal and type 'sudo apt-get install testdisk'
[16:40] <harrison> Tell me when that is done
[16:41] <ubuntu> ok it is downloading
[16:41] <harrison> good
[16:42] <ubuntu> ok completed  any next method...
[16:42] <harrison> yes, now type 'testdisk'
[16:43] <harrison> Note: don't type the quotes if you already knew that good for you.
[16:43] <ubuntu> ok it is testdisk 6.11 data recovery utiltiy
[16:43] <harrison> okay hit enter.
[16:43] <ubuntu> testdisk needs 24 lines to work
[16:43] <harrison> enlarge the terminal
[16:44] <ubuntu> yes ...enlarge the terminal
[16:44] <harrison> Okay, what screen are you on?
[16:46] <ubuntu> ok  in ubuntu@ubuntu: prompt
[16:46] <harrison> Are you in testdisk?
[16:46] <pointydrip> paultag: okay thanks for checking, I'm going to try testing with the .deb package for now
[16:47] <ubuntu> ok i type now testdisk
[16:47] <harrison> yes
[16:47] <paultag> pointydrip: sure
[16:47] <ubuntu> i saw the create   append   and no log...what next
[16:48] <harrison> create
[16:48] <ubuntu> i enter create
[16:48] <harrison> yes
[16:48] <harrison> hit enter
[16:48] <ubuntu> ok it responds
[16:49] <ubuntu> ok i saw continue and quit
[16:49] <ubuntu> write access for the media is not available
[16:49] <ubuntu> testdisk won't be able to modify it
[16:50] <harrison> Quit for now and then type 'sudo testdisk'
[16:50] <ubuntu> you may need to be root to have a write access
[16:50] <harrison> wait
[16:50] <harrison> Does it say sudo anywhere in the list of options?
[16:50] <ubuntu> ok i enter sudo testdisk   i saw create append and no log....what next
[16:51] <harrison> Create
[16:51] <harrison> Nevermind what I said before
[16:51] <ubuntu> ok
[16:51] <harrison> select your hard drive
[16:51] <harrison> then continue
[16:52] <ubuntu> ok
[16:52] <ubuntu> ok  i select eh disk hardrive  what next    i enter
[16:52] <harrison> one moment here please
[16:52] <ubuntu> proceed or quit
[16:52] <harrison> proceed
[16:53] <ubuntu> ok it shows hiddden sectors are present        then    i saw continue.......... can i enter continue
[16:53] <harrison> can't do anything else so yes
[16:53] <harrison> continue
[16:54] <ubuntu> i enter continue it shows       partition table type..........intel    EFI GPT   Mac   None   Sun  Xbox   REturn
[16:54] <harrison> intel
[16:55] <harrison> What computer are you using?
[16:55] <ubuntu> ok i enter intel....it shows      analyse    advanced   geometry   options  mbr code  delete   quit......  I using Dell Laptop 1525
[16:56] <harrison> analyse
[16:57] <ubuntu> ok ..... it shows    disk /dev/sda  .....
[16:57] <harrison> do a quick search
[16:57] <ubuntu> ok
[16:58] <harrison> are you using a windows os and ubuntu?
[16:58] <ubuntu> ok i enter quick search        it is appear  answer yes if unsure...
[16:58] <ubuntu> yes dual os   1 for windows vista and 1 for ubuntu
[16:58] <ubuntu> ok i enter quick search        it is appear  answer yes if unsure...
[16:59] <harrison> about searching for a partition make under vista?
[16:59] <harrison> then yes
[17:00] <ubuntu> the terminal here shows      should testdisk search for partition created under vista....
[17:00] <harrison> yes
[17:00] <harrison> type 'y'
[17:00] <ubuntu> ok
[17:01] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   03%
[17:01] <ubuntu> FAT16 >32M
[17:01] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   05%
[17:02] <harrison> you just did a deap search thats fine but it takes a while
[17:02] <ubuntu> ok it is still counting...
[17:03] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   10%
[17:03] <harrison> when it says 100% tell me what it says.
[17:03] <ubuntu> ok
[17:03] <harrison> how big is the hard drive?
[17:05] <ubuntu> disk /dev/sda   160GB/149GiB    chs  19458 255 63
[17:05] <harrison> it might take a while.
[17:05] <ubuntu> ok
[17:12] <elobee> Hi, I would appreciate soom help with a login problem on ubuntu, if someone could take alittle time and read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9730516&posted=1#post9730516 to understand the problem and then help me it would be awsome
[17:14] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   47%
[17:16] <philinux> elobee: Here's what should be in the .profile file http://paste.ubuntu.com/479477/
[17:16] <harrison> ubuntu: whats it up to now?
[17:16] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   53%
[17:17] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   53%    horrison
[17:18] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   57%    horrison -
[17:18] <elobee> thanks philinux, but how do I get that in my .profile file then? since i can't get into the graphical mode and still not such good navigating and doing stuff from the terminal apart from the basic stuff
[17:19] <philinux> elobee: Either via the livecd or recovery mode using nano
[17:20] <philinux> elobee: I wonder whats in there now?
[17:20] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   60%    horrison -
[17:21] <harrison> good (by the way it's harrison)
[17:21] <ubuntu> sorry  harrison....
[17:21] <elobee> What u mean by livecd (u mean the install cd?) or recovery mode using nano? And btw how do u get to that GRUB menu?
[17:22] <harrison> ubuntu: its fine ;-)
[17:24] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   70%    harrison -
[17:24] <harrison> good very good
[17:26] <elobee> phillinux?
[17:29] <hobgoblin> elobee: shift should get grub menu - recovery is second option usually - when you get to the root menu - root prompt
[17:29] <harrison> ubuntu: hows the weather in your part of the world? (while we are waiting)
[17:29] <harrison> *how's
[17:29] <elobee> hobgoblin: when should i click shift?
[17:30] <hobgoblin> then edit the file with nano ~/.profile
[17:30] <hobgoblin> just after the POST screen - keep tapping on the shift key
[17:30] <hobgoblin> so make sure you print out philinux's paste
[17:31] <hobgoblin> then when you have done - Ctrl+X - then Y to save then Ctrl+X to exit
[17:32] <hobgoblin> then exit from the root prompt with exit and then resume from the root menu
[17:33] <elobee> I clicked shift during the whole startup of the computer and didnt get to any menu
[17:34] <hobgoblin> if you have an old system or at least an old grub try esc
[17:35] <philinux> elobee: Probably better/easier to use the livecd and use copy and paste using firefox and gedit.
[17:36] <elobee> live cd u mean fro what i installed from? in my case a usb
[17:36] <hobgoblin> might be easier - just a lot longer lol
[17:37] <elobee> and i don't get to any menu by clicking esc during the whole start up either...
[17:39] <hobgoblin> then I would wonder if you are doing it at the right time
[17:39] <elobee> i clicked during the whole startup ntil i get to the login screen
[17:41] <hobgoblin> then do it with the livewhatever
[17:42] <elobee> i'm booting from the usb i installed from now, can I do something from here now and how do it do it then?
[17:42] <hobgoblin> ping philinux ^^
[17:43] <harrison> still there ubuntu?
[17:44] <philinux> elobee: Use the file browser to navigate to home and then ctrl h to view hidden files. Lets see whats in .profile first
[17:45] <hobgoblin> philinux: they are new they might know to mount the partition ...
[17:46] <hobgoblin> s/not know
[17:47] <elobee> in the .profile i find it's the same as to waht u linked, but I'm not logged in in my normal user now when i bot from the usb right?
[17:48] <elobee> excuse spelling errors..
[17:51] <ubuntu> yes
[17:51] <ubuntu> harrison    it is green color all
[17:51] <ubuntu> harrison    it is green color all
[17:52] <ubuntu> keys  A  add partition   L load backup   T change type  P list files     enter : to continue
[17:52] <ubuntu> fat16.
[17:52] <ubuntu> fat16>32m
[17:53] <ubuntu> fat16>32m plinux  p linux   l linux   l linux swap   l fat32 lba
[17:53] <philinux> elobee: Ok. System Admin>disk utility.  Look for your hard drive and mount it.
[17:53] <harrison> do you see [write] anywhere?
[17:53] <ubuntu> hello harrison are you here
[17:53] <harrison> yes I am
[17:53] <harrison> do you see [write] anywhere?
[17:54] <ubuntu> no write anyhere show here...
[17:54] <harrison> I went and got some lunch.
[17:54] <ubuntu> ok any suggestions here
[17:54] <paultag> ubuntu: are you using fdisk?
[17:55] <harrison> I remember now hit enter and then hit write
[17:55] <ubuntu> ok
[17:55] <harrison> hit enter and tell me what it says
[17:55] <elobee> Mount Volume?
[17:55] <ubuntu> i still here in testdisk...where i go here continue
[17:55] <elobee> done
[17:56] <harrison> What does it say?
[17:56] <hobgoblin> elobee: you need to navigate to the home in that mounted volume
[17:56] <ubuntu> i'am still here date recovery utility... all green color....
[17:56] <hobgoblin> elobee: that is /home/username
[17:56] <harrison> ubuntu: at the bottom
[17:57] <ubuntu> it shows   A  add partition    L load backup   T change type   P list files    Enter: continue......what next harrisson
[17:57] <harrison> ubuntu: what does it say.
[17:57] <harrison> Enter
[17:57] <ubuntu> FAT , 49MB /47 MIB
[17:57] <harrison> hit enter
[17:57] <ubuntu> it said to select a partition .........
[17:58] <harrison> one moment
[17:58] <ubuntu> fat16>32m plinux  p linux   l linux   l linux swap   l fat32 lba
[17:58] <harrison> still on the same page?
[17:58] <harrison> or do you have a write option now?
[17:59] <elobee> hobgoblin & phillinux: navigated to /home/username in the mounted volume and and viewed .profile which is exactly the same
[17:59] <hobgoblin> exactly the same as what?
[17:59] <ubuntu> yess   same page here data recovery utility...    no appear write options here....
[17:59] <harrison> okay...
[17:59] <ubuntu> it show here   fat16>32m plinux  p linux   l linux   l linux swap   l fat32 lba
[18:00] <ubuntu> it shows   A  add partition    L load backup   T change type   P list files    Enter: continue......what next harrisson
[18:00] <elobee> the data in it is exactly the same as the data in the other .profile that i had access to without mounting aswell as to the link phillinux posted
[18:00] <harrison> and when you hit enter it says to select a partition?
[18:01] <ubuntu> after 100% it is shows this...
[18:01] <ubuntu> it show here   fat16>32m plinux  p linux   l linux   l linux swap   l fat32 lba
[18:01] <harrison> hit enter then
[18:01] <ubuntu> it is asking to select a partition....
[18:01] <harrison> okay
[18:02] <ubuntu> i select fat16>32m and i hit enter..is that correct
[18:02] <hobgoblin> elobee: open a terminal from Apps - Accessories then run mount - copy and paste it to paste.ubuntu.com - name in name box and then paste - you'll get a new url give me that please
[18:02] <harrison> what is there to select?
[18:02] <paultag> hobgoblin: go to the start menu and open up my documents
[18:03] <ubuntu> the partition to be selects are   fat16>32m    p linux     p linux   l linux   l linux swap   l fat32 lba
[18:03] <harrison> try the l linux one
[18:04] <ubuntu> which of them to be select?     fat16>32m    p linux     p linux   l linux   l linux swap   l fat32 lba
[18:04] <hobgoblin> paultag: it's empty?
[18:04] <harrison> try the 'l linux' one
[18:04] <ubuntu> ok
[18:04] <hobgoblin> cept on the kde laptop behind me
[18:04] <elobee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/479493
[18:05] <hobgoblin> elobee: what's your username
[18:06] <ubuntu> ok now i tried linux and it appear   [ quit ]  [ deep search ] [ write ] in p linux partition
[18:06] <elobee> elobee
[18:06] <ubuntu> ok now i tried linux and it appear   [ quit ]  [ deep search ] [ write ] in p linux partition
[18:06] <harrison> select write
[18:06] <ubuntu> ok is shows write partition table, confirm? Y ? N
[18:07] <hobgoblin> elobee: try this - if it gets an output can you paste it here please           ls -al /media/3e6d4397-6b1d-411b-8b93-90965824a895/home/elobee/.profile
[18:07] <harrison> y
[18:08] <ubuntu> ok it is show the message      You will have to reboot for the change to take effect.............?
[18:08] <ubuntu> what next...
[18:08] <harrison> hit the ok
[18:08] <philinux> hobgoblin: Just had my tea. Any joy
[18:09] <harrison> ubuntu where are you now?
[18:09] <hobgoblin> philinux: just about to have mine ... but no - just seeing what the permissions on the file are - seems to be the same at the moment
[18:09] <ubuntu> ok       it shows again......[analyze]  [ advanced] [ geometry] [options] [mbr code] [delete] [quit]
[18:10] <ubuntu> ok       it shows again......[analyze]  [ advanced] [ geometry] [options] [mbr code] [delete] [quit]
[18:10] <harrison> I think we need to analyze again
[18:10] <ubuntu> ok i enter now analyse
[18:10] <elobee> hobgoblin: http://pase.ubuntu.com/479495
[18:11] <harrison> ubuntu do a quick search
[18:11] <elobee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/479495 *
[18:11] <ubuntu> here the appear here.....quick search
[18:11] <harrison> hit that
[18:12] <ubuntu> ok i  enter and counting     analyse cylinder....
[18:12] <hobgoblin> elobee: looks like it's owned by 1000 instead of you - mine is owned by me
[18:12] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   02%    harrison -
[18:13] <harrison> okay
[18:13] <elobee> hobgoblin: ok, so what to do?
[18:14] <hobgoblin> elobee: just about to eat - get philinux or someone else to run through it please
[18:14] <elobee> ok, thanks alot
[18:15] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   09%    harrison -
[18:15] <harrison> good
[18:15] <elobee> so does phillinux or someone else in here feel for helping me? :)
[18:16] <harrison> elobee: I would like to but I am helping ubuntu here.
[18:17] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   15%    harrison -
[18:17] <harrison> elobee: if ubuntus problem gets solved then I might be able to help you.
[18:17] <harrison> ubuntu: good
[18:18] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   20%    harrison -
[18:18] <elobee> np, i'll wait in here and bump alittle now and then to see if someone else wakes up too
[18:19] <harrison> elobee: that sounds good.
[18:21] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   27%    harrison -
[18:23] <harrison> ubuntu: good
[18:24] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   34%    harrison -
[18:25] <harrison> I am going to get some tea I sould be back soon.
[18:25] <hobgoblin> elobee: done yet?
[18:26] <elobee> nope
[18:26] <elobee> been waiting for someone who can help
[18:27] <hobgoblin> k - you've not unmounted that partition have you?
[18:27] <elobee> nope
[18:27] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   44%    harrison -
[18:27] <hobgoblin> ok - run this one then - all of it - it is long
[18:28] <hobgoblin> elobee: sudo chown elobee:elobee /media/3e6d4397-6b1d-411b-8b93-90965824a895/home/elobee/.profile && ls -al /media/3e6d4397-6b1d-411b-8b93-90965824a895/home/elobee/.profile
[18:29] <hobgoblin> elobee: all one command to run in a terminal
[18:29] <hobgoblin> elobee: then patebin whatever result you get please
[18:29] <harrison> ubuntu: what is it upto now/
[18:29] <harrison> *?
[18:29] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   47%    harrison -
[18:31] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   52%    harrison -
[18:32] <harrison> good
[18:32] <hobgoblin> elobee: you;ve gone quiet?
[18:32] <elobee> hobgoblin: chown: invalid user: `elobee:elobee'
[18:33] <hobgoblin> k - bet you need to use chroot :( not something I've done much
[18:33] <elobee> what is chroot?
[18:34] <hobgoblin> paultag: you there and available at all ?
[18:34] <hobgoblin> elobee: it basically mounts your install
[18:34] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   60%    harrison -
[18:35] <hobgoblin> ubuntu: could you open a dialogue with harrison to give countdown :)  from your irc client /query harrison should do it :)
[18:36] <hobgoblin> elobee: I'll see if I can find someone to help you
[18:36] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   65%    harrison -
[18:36] <elobee> k, thanks for the help
[18:38] <hobgoblin> elobee: if no-one pitches up you can give the information to the forum in your thread - basically it appears that the .profile file is owned by 1000:1000 and not you
[18:38] <paultag> hobgoblin: yo
[18:38] <paultag> hobgoblin: I'm at work, what's up
[18:39] <ubuntu> analyse cylinder   still  counting   70%    harrison -
[18:40] <hobgoblin> k - trying to get someone to help elobee - owner is wrong on /home/user/.profile - chown gives user not know - thinking it needs chroot - but not something I'm too happy doing - not done it myslef
[18:40] <hobgoblin> paultag: ^^ but I've also pinged the team channel so don't bother :)
[18:41] <paultag> hobgoblin: kk
[18:44] <hobgoblin> elobee: we'll give it a while and if no-one else can I will try to work you through it
[18:45] <elobee> ok, i'm about to post it in the forum aswell and see if someone there can assist me
[18:46] <hobgoblin> elobee: tell you what - have another go at booting the recovery mode - what version of ubuntu do you have
[18:46] <elobee> I have ubuntu 10.04
[18:47] <hobgoblin> straight install? not an upgrade
[18:47] <elobee> i downloaded it to my usb like two weeks ago from ubuntus site so i guess straight install
[18:48] <hobgoblin> ok - so shift should work - as soon as BIOS has finished press shift repeatedly
[18:48] <hobgoblin> if it does not work we can try it elsewhere
[18:48] <elobee> does it matter which of the two shift buttons?
[18:49] <hobgoblin> no idea - I got it with the left one though untill I made the menu show
[18:49] <elobee> damnit it said grub loading but then i clicked shift again and it went again so i try on more time
[18:49] <hobgoblin> you need to be doing it by then :)
[18:52] <elobee> now it said grub loading but went away after a short sec just as before, then i got to a loading screen where it checked for errors on my disk and then to the normal loading screen and then to the login screen
[18:55] <hobgoblin> elobee: try this one Ctrl+Alt+F1
[18:55] <hobgoblin> then login
[18:55] <elobee> yep that work
[18:55] <elobee> and thatä
[18:56] <hobgoblin> all logged in ?
[18:56] <elobee> and that have i done before when i run the command i was recommened from the forum :P
[18:56] <elobee> ye
[18:56] <hobgoblin> elobee: right now run this ls -al /home/elobee/.profile
[18:57] <hobgoblin> I just want to know if it says 1000 1000 or elobee elobee
[18:57] <elobee> elobee elobee
[18:58] <hobgoblin> k - so that is right then - I wonder where the 1000 1000 came from earlier - does ctrl+alt+f7 get you into gnome
[18:59] <elobee> sry had phonr
[19:00] <elobee> don't know, how does gnome look?
[19:00] <hobgoblin> like ubuntu :)
[19:00] <elobee> nope, alt ctrl f7 gets me in some text thingy
[19:00] <hobgoblin> logged in still?
[19:01] <hobgoblin> try startx
[19:02] <elobee> when im in alt ctrl f7 im not in the normal terminal
[19:02] <elobee> so dont now if im logged in
[19:02] <elobee> but in alt ctrl f1 im still logged in
[19:02] <hobgoblin> if ctrl alt f7 has your username you are logged in
[19:02] <hobgoblin> if so do startx
[19:03] <elobee> i dont see any username or so in alt ctrl f7
[19:04] <hobgoblin> try startx
[19:04] <elobee> seems that i can run anything there
[19:04] <elobee> should i try it in alt ctrl f1?
[19:06] <hobgoblin> what does startx do
[19:07] <hobgoblin> but yea try from f1
[19:09] <elobee> from f7 it does nothing, nothing even happens and the only place i can type it is in blank rows,in f1 i get alot of text
[19:10] <hobgoblin> elobee: ok - well I am not sure then - I'd go back to the forum if no-one else comes along in here
[19:10] <hobgoblin> I'm off now - sorry not to be of much help
[19:11] <elobee> thanks anyway
[21:36] <ubuntu_> hello harrison
[21:36] <harrison> hello
[21:36] <harrison> how did things go?
[22:32] <harrison> ubuntu_ still there?
[22:38] <stew[1]> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu 10.04 on my notebook using a USB stick and I can get to the main menu and chose to install, but after that the screen goes blank. I think the problem has to do with the Intel HD graphics in my laptop. Does anyone have any suggestions?
[23:31] <chinceynugget> So im getting a laptop for uni, and have come across ubuntu and kubuntu. What would people recommend, is either better than the other?
[23:38] <aveilleux> chinceynugget: Well the differences between KDE and GNOME (Ubuntu's primary graphical environment) is mostly cosmetic... There is a small performance difference (GNOME is a little better on resources but KDE looks better) but it's really what you like better.
[23:38] <aveilleux> are mostly*
[23:39] <aveilleux> chinceynugget: There's a very large and in-depth debate over which approach to a desktop environment is better, GNOME's or KDE's. I suggest you try them both and pick the one you like best ;-)
[23:42] <chinceynugget> cheers lads!
[23:43] <aveilleux> You're welcome...


[00:08] <slackner> hiho. i've been wondering, is there a way to upload binary builds to launchpad (without commercial subscription)? we're an open source project, but since launchpad is not really able to deal with our project requirements anymore (random build failures, long build times, no access to old builds, ...) we want to migrate to our own infrastructure.
[00:08] <slackner> we would still like to push the builds to launchpad for user convenience. is it possible somehow?
[00:27] <wxl> @slackner: it is possible to provide downlaods https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/FileDownloads
[00:30] <slackner> wxl: it sounds like thats a separate mechanism, and will not help users which have added our PPA, right?
[00:30] <wxl> @slackner: right. if you want to use the ppa, you still can, but lp still does the building.
[00:33] <wgrant> slackner: All Launchpad PPA packages must be built from source by Launchpad.
[00:33] <wgrant> I haven't seen any mention of the build failures or long build times that you've been experiencing.
[00:34] <slackner> wxl: i fear this isn't really an option. we want to simplify things, not maintain two set of builds
[00:34] <slackner> wgrant: with a commercial subscription it would be allowed, right?
[00:34] <wgrant> slackner: Well, you could technically upload a source package that included the binaries, yes.
[00:34] <wgrant> But you can't upload debs directly.
[00:35] <wgrant> And that's pretty gross.
[00:35] <slackner> wgrant: take a look for another recent build failure: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/309904992/buildlog.txt.gz
[00:35] <wxl> @slackner: sounds like the simplest solution is to pick one system or another. if you'd rather take it all on your server, just set up on your own ppa.
[00:37] <wgrant> slackner: Ah, so that's a recipe build. You can easily fix that by using a git recipe directly (rather than a bzr recipe using a bzr mirror of a git repository, which means you're exposed to bzr's performance limitations), or building the source package locally and uploading that.
[00:37] <slackner> wgrant: in this case it took 2 hours until it failed (as you can see here https://code.launchpad.net/~wine/+archive/ubuntu/test-builds/+recipebuild/1328551 )
[00:37] <wgrant> I'd suggest moving to git recipes. They're known to be much more reliable on massive codebases where bzr struggles, and have been supported for about a year now.
[00:39] <slackner> wgrant: thanks for the tip. nevertheless, i fear that wouldn't really help to solve the other issues :/
[00:39] <wgrant> If that doesn't work, I'd like to know because that would be a first, but there's another fallback: just bypass the recipe system, building the source package locally by whatever means you desire and uploading that. Removes some of the automation of daily builds, but looks the same for users and minimises the work you have to do locally.
[00:39] <wgrant> slackner: Which? Old builds?
[00:40] <slackner> wxl: setting up a ppa is not the problem, but its difficult to make all of our users aware of the new location
[00:40] <slackner> wgrant: yes, for example
[00:41] <wgrant> slackner: What are your specific requirements there? It's difficult, in any apt repository, to expose old versions directly to clients, but there is a mechanism that we can enable on a per-PPA basis in LP to keep old versions for download from the web UI.
[00:47] <slackner> wgrant: that would be much better than it is right now, but i fear repo size would be the next problem we encounter. i appreciate the effort to solve these issues, but in our case we would really prefer to do things in our own infrastructure.
[00:48] <wgrant> slackner: OK. I'm afraid there's no way to publish your own prebuilt debs on ppa.launchpad.net.
[00:49] <wgrant> But the specific issues you've raised here seem easily solvable with some reconfiguration.
[01:01] <slackner> wgrant: it might be solveable, but not sure if its that easy. for us it is much easier to use the same build mechanism for all distros. nevertheless, thanks for the info. btw, why is the "keep old builds" functionality not mentioned anywhere?
[01:05] <wgrant> slackner: Because it can easily consume a lot of disk space, everyone thinks they need it, and it's much easier if we don't have to tell them that it's not worth it for us to keep their old versions around. For complex compatibility cases like Wine it's a clear win.
[01:30] <ehoover> (joining late) wgrant: i told slackner that i thought you guys supported binary uploads because i read somewhere that that's how the commercial games worked
[01:30] <ehoover> (for commercial accounts only)
[01:31] <wgrant> ehoover: Ah, no. It's just that with a commercial subscription you can upload your proprietary stuff, potentially as a tarball of binaries masquerading as a "source" package.
[01:32] <ehoover> wgrant: makes sense.  i'm not sure we would want do do this, but does that mean we could take our resulting deb and pull everything out and upload the tarball to "build" it?
[01:35] <wgrant> ehoover: Yup, if you really wanted.
[01:35] <ehoover> wgrant: ok, good to know (trying to give slackner options to achieve his many objectives)


[23:14] <thafreak> so...aptitude install won't work on a machine with 64mb of ram...weird
[23:14] <thafreak> it just sits there forever
[23:14] <thafreak> bump up my vm to 128mb, and it's fine


[16:11] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: lordievader knows a few things about libvirt
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> maybe link him the bug?
[19:02] <cet77> Hi. Long time since i've been on IRC. But i seem to remember that people were helpful here.. :) I have a question about apache2 on an ubuntu setup.
[19:03] <cet77> I have a wordpress site set up on an apache server, and it works from the local machine, but i would love to have it work from other machines on my local network too. But it seems to not being able to connect.
[19:03] <cet77> Does anyone have experience in that area? :)
[19:04] <cet77> I tried setting up a virtual host, but i failed, and ended up not being able to connect from my local machine again.. I managed to revert to the point where i can see the site on the local machine, but can't figure out how to get other computers to connect.
[19:12] <coke> its probably Wordpress that does a redirect
[19:13] <coke> probably want to use curl -I http://... to see what is going on
[19:17] <cet77> okay, i'll have a look just curl -I and then the adress i use? can i use the ip?
[19:18] <cet77> can i just paste the output here? It's just 7 lines
[19:19] <cet77> what am i looking for btw?
[19:19] <cet77> uh. I'll have to go.. I'll be back tomorro
[19:19] <cet77> w
[19:23] <coke> always use pastebin
[19:23] <coke> you are looking for 302 or 200 http code
[19:54] <cet77> @coke It shows a http/1.1 200 OK message
[19:55] <coke> And without -l you see the raw version of the WordPress page?
[19:56] <cet77> yeah, it seems like it.
[19:56] <cet77> a lot of html and css code
[19:57] <cet77> i'll be back in 5 mins... just need to restart my computer.
[20:01] <cet77> @coke, back again.
[20:02] <coke> What does the curl show on the other machine you try to connect from?
[20:03] <cet77> mm... it's a windows 10 machine... i don't know.
[20:03] <cet77> maybe i can try with termux on my android phone..
[20:03] <coke> Did you use the ip or a name?
[20:04] <coke> What happens if try to open the page on windows? Can’t connect at all?
[20:05] <cet77> I used the name on my server, but the ip on the android, and it gives me HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
[20:05] <cet77> i don't have access to the windows computer right now as they've gone to bed.. xD
[20:05] <cet77> I'm just trying to make a last effort before i go too.. :)
[20:06] <cet77> when I use the name on my android it tells me that it failed to connect to localhost port 80, connection refused.
[20:07] <coke> LAN names are a mess
[20:07] <cet77> but it can se it when i use the ip, says it's apache/2.4.46 on an ubun tu, and that there is an x-redirect-by: wordpress.
[20:07] <coke> Between operating systems
[20:07] <cet77> yup, i believe'ya..
[20:07] <cet77> xD
[20:08] <coke> Yea WordPress redirects to the name and the other machines don’t know the name.. something like that
[20:08] <cet77> but when I used the ip curl on termux definitely sees something. it also gives the location which is http://localhost/
[20:08] <coke> Local host is always the name of your local Maschine
[20:09] <cet77> okay. But when i curl'ed with the ip, at least that's what it told me.
[20:10] <cet77> What's that X-Redirect-By: wordpress doing?
[20:13] <coke> Telling your browser to look elsewhere
[20:13] <coke> You can try to change the name of your WordPress to the ip but I think WordPress support is off topic here
[20:15] <coke> WordPress wants to point your browser to the name it knows itself as. if you search for under another name (but the right ip and port) it tries to correct that
[20:19] <cet77> ah... hmm. okay...
[20:19] <cet77> I'll try that..
[20:24] <coke> WordPress is usually overkill and people don’t realize they now have to take care of software running on the net for ever. I recommend static site generators for small sites that only one person takes care of.
[20:25] <cet77> mm... might be, but we have 4 servers running on wp at the moment... It's just that i wanted a local server that we could experiment with. We are two people working on keeping them up.
[20:26] <cet77> I tried changing the name to the ip address like this https://<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:26] <cet77> but it didn't do anything i'm afraid..
[20:27] <jrwren> well certainly that https isn't going to work unless you've setup certificates.
[20:27] <cet77> doesn't work with http either... just tried.. xD
[20:28] <cet77> yeah, i figured that out too... :) have no certificates.. that's much is for sure..
[20:31] <cet77> argh... i seem to have changed the dang servername to something that did not work at all... xD now i can't get back in again.
[20:32] <cet77> is there a config file somewhere?
[20:40] <coke> https://wordpress.org/support/article/editing-wp-config-php/#wp_siteurl
[20:40] <cet77> thx. :)
[20:40] <coke> But if it’s empty it’s probably better to start fresh
[20:49] <cet77> wel..... it's not empty, but i messed everything up good... so i'm probably gonne start over again.. :) Thanks for the help, i'm off to bed.


[19:09] <hwpplayer1> hi people !
[19:09] <hwpplayer1> I can't import my fingerprint
[19:10] <hwpplayer1> okay I'm trying


[09:47] <to0om> hi all
[09:47] <to0om> how can i customize upstart?
[09:48] <to0om> i'd like to have the kernel modules loaded earlier in the boot process
[15:02] <ion_> keybuk: An idea occured to me: how about disallowing nih_ref when the object has a parent (so that it always has a reference count of 1 and nih_unref would be used just like nih_free is now – not callect directly on the object), thus reference counting could *optionally* be used with parentless objects?
[15:03] <ion_> Children would be released whenever their parent is released, and the refcounting may be used with the parent when appropriate just by using nih_ref.


[09:42] <The_Milkman> Hello, all! What is i missed eold of zesty and now i am getting 404 from apt update (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty Release). Can i just edit apt.sources ba hand and then run sudo apt dist-upgrade or it is a bad idea?
[09:43] <Unit193> !eolupgrade
[09:53] <The_Milkman> ubottu: thats what i was trying to find! Thank u.
[09:54] <Unit193> \o/
[12:42] <Senpos> Hello. I am not sure if replacing gnome apps with MATE in 18.04 is final decision, but want to give some feedback about calculator: it is not even comparable to the one we had before. Its UI is weird, it has so tiny margins between buttons, none of them are stressed out, so it is confusing and actually hard to find, lets say, equals sign.
[14:03] <xubuntu06i> can i play league of legends with xbuntu? xD
[14:06] <GridCube> xubuntu06i: apparently not https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=10436
[14:07] <xubuntu06i> look it works, https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/alpha-client-discussion-en/KKvJh1g7-how-to-run-lol-on-linux i will try it


[17:01] <seb24_> Hello
[17:06] <sagaci> ello
[17:49] <komputes> hello, have you guys talked about customizing sound effects?
[18:01] <sagaci> komputes, we basically talked about the startup sound, when the log-in screen appears
[18:04] <shirgall> Precise and after should be building armhf, but before precise it's armel
[18:33] <komputes> sagaci: are you able to update the notes/etherpad or to give me an overview of what you remember was discussed :)
[18:34] <sagaci> we listened to sound clips for the opening sound and added ideas for variations of the main theme that was played
[18:34] <sagaci> komputes, ^
[18:35] <komputes> sagaci: available anywhere online?
[18:36] <sagaci> don't think so
[18:36] <sagaci> ping someone listed on the blueprint for the session
[18:38] <komputes> sagaci: will do cheers
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[11:48] <nalioth> Knowerrors: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[11:49] <carsten> arghl. now i need a new sources.list. he hasnt ANY sources.
[11:49] <frank23> carsten: what? did you delete your sources?
[11:50] <frank23> !sources
[11:50] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:50] <Knowerrors> I was going to install Firestarter, but thought its strange that it wants me to install gksu
[11:50] <nalioth> Knowerrors: not at all. it doesnt know you are on kde with kdesu
[11:50] <frank23> Knowerrors: its because firestarter is a gnome app but it works fine in kde too
[11:50] <carsten> frank23: i am noob. i dont know. hopefully not :)
[11:51] <nalioth> carsten: we'll take care of you
[11:52] <Knowerrors> so then after I install firestarter, will I need to change its icon command from gksu to kdesu?
[11:54] <frank23> Knowerrors: no gksu will work fine
[11:57] <Knowerrors> nalioth: thanks for that article link, very interesting
[11:57] <nalioth> Knowerrors: any time
[11:58] <Knowerrors> frank23: strange thing about gksu on kubuntu, I didn't have it installed before, and apt-get'ed BUM and Synaptic, both of which needed gksu, but didn't list it as a dependancy
[11:58] <Knowerrors> I had to manually change the command line for their icons to use kdesu
[11:59] <frank23> Knowerrors: hmm... I never had that problem
[12:01] <Knowerrors> frank23: did you start with kubuntu? or install ubuntu first, maybe you had gksu installed already
[12:02] <frank23> Knowerrors: I think I had ubuntu (hoary) first.... then installed kubuntu (hoary) then upgraded to breezy


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[00:00] <jdong> mjg59: ath_pci from madwifi trunk
[00:00] <mjg59> Oh, loss
[00:00] <jdong> mjg59: after resume the radio appears dead (no scan results, unable to associate)
[00:00] <mjg59> Yeah, atheros failure
[00:01] <jdong> mjg59: on another suspend related note....
[00:01] <jdong> mjg59: after resume on my macbook 3.1, the brightness hotkeys seem to lose function till I restart X
[00:01] <jdong> this didn't seem to happen on Gutsy
[00:09] <mjg59> I blame X
[00:14] <Fujitsu> Speaking of brightness hotkeys... since a week or so ago, g-p-m can control my backlight. However, since then my backlight brightness will often spontaneously increase to maximum (quickly, not over several minutes like it used to). This is an i915.
[00:22]  * StevenK waves to Fujitsu from Portland
[00:23] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Portland, Vic?
[00:23] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Heh, no. Portland, Oregon. :_)
[00:23] <Fujitsu> Bah,
[00:25] <jm> I'm trying to create a new version of gst-plugins-base, but for some reason the /debian/control file keeps getting its Build-Depends and Architecture lines changed. If I submit a debdiff with these changes, will it be a problem?
[00:27] <TheMuso> jm: Does the package have a debian/control.in?
[00:27] <jm> Yes
[00:28] <TheMuso> Modify that.
[00:28]  * StevenK looks forward to being in a country that isn't in the grip of winter.
[00:28] <TheMuso> StevenK: I hear ya. London wasn't that cold, but it was nice to get back to summer.
[00:28] <jm> My modifications don't touch control or control.in at all, but they are still changed.
[00:29] <TheMuso> ah ok
[00:29] <StevenK> TheMuso: Portland has been averaging about 3 degrees C, which I think is too cold.
[00:29] <TheMuso> StevenK: I'd agree with that assessment.
[00:30] <jm> Is it a problem? Whatever's changing control doesn't seem to be under my control.
[00:30] <sladen> cold is good.
[00:30] <TheMuso> jm: At this point, all I can say is submit a debdiff, and take things from there.
[00:30] <jm> K, will do.
[00:31]  * StevenK does some NBS work to pass the time
[00:31] <TheMuso> StevenK: Pass the time until when? :p
[00:32] <StevenK> TheMuso: About 5:45pm local
[00:32] <TheMuso> ah ok
[00:32] <TheMuso> StevenK: When do you fly out
[00:33] <StevenK> A little after that :-)
[00:34] <zul> evening
[00:35] <TheMuso> heh right. Enjoy your flight.
[00:36] <StevenK> TheMuso: That's only the first hop from Portland to San Francisco :-/
[00:36] <TheMuso> StevenK: Oh even more fun.
[00:37] <StevenK> After a few more hours in San Francisco airport, then back to Sydney
[00:38] <TheMuso> Oh fun. The good old 13 hour flight. I had a couple of those recently. :)
[00:38] <mjg59> StevenK: Ha. I'm about to head in the opposite direction
[00:38] <StevenK> It hits 14.5 hours back from the US, due to the prevailing wind blowing toward you
[00:38] <StevenK> mjg59: Heh
[00:39] <TheMuso> StevenK: Well, enjoy.
[00:51] <slangasek> StevenK: you found the lounge, then?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> yay, he eventually obeyed the invite, so the forward wasn't necessary.
[03:09] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: What was that all about?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: apparently he thought it was valid not to obey channel topics, because there were no ops active in there at the moment, so no one could tell him off
[03:10]  * Hobbsee has since enlightened him.
[03:14] <TheMuso> Right.
[03:15] <jdong> Hobbsee the enlightener :)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> !jdong | jdong
[03:16] <ubotu> jdong: <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[10:24] <Riddell> bryce: do you know iRon is working on bullet proof X for kdm?
[10:24] <bryce> Riddell: is iRon == Eudege Tretyak?
[10:25] <bryce> Eugene and I have been exchanging emails today about kde and bpx.
[10:25] <Riddell> bryce: ah, excellent
[10:26] <Riddell> he is yes
[10:26] <bryce> cool
[10:27] <bryce> he says he'll be sending me some patches, and I'll review/integrate after that
[10:45] <superm1> bryce, have you considered integrating something like xf4vnc into the xorg tree by chance?
[10:46] <bryce> superm1: why?  no I've not considered that
[10:47] <superm1> bryce, well realvnc stopped working against xorg 1.4
[10:47] <superm1> yet xf4vnc is tracking the 1.4 tree actively
[10:48] <superm1> and there aren't any other projects that i've heard of that provide libvnc.so (by building in the xorg tree)
[10:49] <superm1> additionally upstream has no indication that they will be updating it to work against xorg 1.4, since they are still actively supporting builds against monolithic xfree86
[10:51] <bryce> hmm, I've not really been involved with support for realvnc, so not sure why I'd have an iron in the fire for xv4vnc..
[10:52] <superm1> bryce, wasn't sure if it was you who had a hand in it (since the source package ships with xorg in the package)
[10:54] <superm1> well i'll try to leave some comments on the bug at least then for whomever will be responsible for realvnc with the research i've gotten around upstream and my attempts to resolve issues
[10:55] <bryce> ok cool
[11:25] <warp10> Good morning
[11:25] <pitti> hi warp10
[11:25] <warp10> hey pitti!
[11:27] <Hobbsee> heya pitti!
[11:36]  * pitti hugs Hobbsee
[14:13] <tuxist> hi
[14:13] <tuxist> have anybody get kde_luks runnable under gutsy ?
[14:14] <tuxist> i have download source and packaged them
[14:14] <ScottK2> tuxist: For packaging new packages, #ubuntu-motu is the best channel.
[14:14] <tuxist> so i got only the encrypt dialog and nothing happsa
[15:13] <pygi> siretart, poke
[16:15] <theunixgeek> Is there a GTK interface designer that can generate source code for you?
[16:15] <thegodfather> 16:21 -!- cjwatson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
[16:15] <thegodfather> 16:22 -!- DRebellion [n=DRebelli@unaffiliated/drebellion] has quit ["leaving"]
[16:15] <thegodfather> crap
[16:15] <thegodfather> sorry
[16:15] <thegodfather> my son got hold of the mouse
[16:18] <zul> i hate that when it happens :)
[16:18] <kieran__> hi there, has there been any reports of compiz hardlocking computer in hardy?
[16:35] <hunger> Anyone working on a fix to aptitude?
[16:38] <superm1> !weekend > hunger
[17:19] <siretart> pygi: not really around. email is much more likely to reach me
[17:20] <pygi> siretart, ah, ok, will bug some other time then
[17:20] <siretart> k
[18:35] <slangasek> hunger: at any rate, it's hard to know what you're referring to when the aptitude bug list shows no open bugs of higher than 'medium' importance
[18:40] <superm1> slangasek, if you get a few minutes again today, I made both those changes to those debs in hardy NEW.
[18:46] <slangasek> superm1: done
[18:46] <superm1> thanks a bunch slangasek
[18:50] <slangasek> doko: har, you requested the sync of siege?  (FTBFS on 9 archs in Debian for > 30 days, now FTBFS in Ubuntu on all archs)
[19:03] <jm> slomo: I heard you're the guy to go to about GStreamer questions. What are the chances of my patch to bug #188488 getting into Hardy?
[19:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188488 in gst-plugins-base0.10 "Support embedded cover art in Ogg/Vorbis files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188488
[19:12] <jdong> anyone know if powertop 1.9 is compatible with Gutsy?
[19:14]  * lamont chuckles at 463758
[19:14] <zoke> bug 456758 ?
[19:14] <lamont> and off to fix Teh Intarwebs.
[19:14] <lamont> yeah
[19:14] <zoke> err
[19:15] <zoke> bug 463758
[19:15] <lamont> "fdisk doesn't like devices without partition tables'
[19:15] <zoke> lol
[19:15] <ion_> :-D
[19:15] <zoke> but ubotu tells me the bug doesn't exist
[19:15] <pochu> Debian bug 456758
[19:15] <ubotu> Debian bug 456758 in libcucul-dev "Whatis for libcucul-ruby-api.3caca.gz exceeds 2048 bytes" [Minor,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/456758
[19:15] <pochu> Not that one :)
[19:15] <lamont> debian bug 463758
[19:15] <ubotu> Debian bug 463758 in util-linux "MP3 players: can mount(1) fine, but [cs]fdisk say "unknown partition table"" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/463758
[19:15] <lamont> that one
[19:16] <pochu> I misstyped it :/
[19:16] <lamont> basically gnome-volume-manager etc is not recognizing devices without partition tables (see any current-generation mp3 player - thanks guys)
[19:17] <lamont> anyway, this guy is out for a few hours, probably bouncing a bit while he messes with upstream connectivity
[19:53] <TheMuso> c/
[19:53] <TheMuso> ugh
[23:29] <emgent> hyea


 @mitya57 is new qtcreator syncable?
[07:48] <mitya57> Yes.
 :)
[07:49] <mitya57> Can you do it?
 sure.
[08:07] <RikMills> mitya57: new depwait on s390x as litehtml FTBFS with missing symbols on that
[08:09] <mitya57> Looks like it should be easy to update the symbols.
[08:10] <mitya57> Well, not that easy because it doesn't use pkgkde-symbolshelper. But for MISSING ones we can add arch=!s390x.
[08:10] <mitya57> Added to my TODO list, I am currently working on fixing Qt transition issues in Debian…
[08:11] <RikMills> no problem. I only asked about qtcreator as I saw qbs stuck in proposed with its lib bump
[09:24] <mitya57> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/litehtml/0.5-1.1ubuntu1
[11:04] <RikMills> thanks
[17:08] <Eickmeyer> mitya57: I'm attempting to package qgnomeplatformtheme, you may have seen my bug report reply by now.
[17:10] <mitya57> Eickmeyer: I saw it, yes. We decided we will ship private headers after update to 5.15, which will happen this cycle.
[17:10] <Eickmeyer> mitya57: Ok. Good to know. Is that still WIP?
[17:11] <mitya57> In the mean time you can use adwaita-qt which should be better than Fusion.
[17:11] <mitya57> Not WIP, I am waiting until 5.15.1.
[17:11] <Eickmeyer> Well, yes, true.
[17:11] <Eickmeyer> Ok.
[17:11] <Eickmeyer> Well, I have a package ready to go, just needs the headers as a build dep.
[17:12] <mitya57> Can it wait a month or two?
[17:13] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, no problem. I just wanted to branch away from Ubuntu Studio for some stuff this cycle. :)


[12:23] <BenC> mdz: Wont be back till Saturday, but I'm available
[12:39] <zul> hey
[12:43] <mdz> BenC: ok, I'll talk to you then
[12:44] <mdz> or monday rather
[12:44] <zul> hey mdz
[12:44] <mdz> zul: good day
[01:13] <fabbione> Keybuk: do you happen to know if udev in edgy is broken? It seems i have lost some devices with one of the last updates...
[01:14] <Keybuk> it's not broken
[01:14] <Keybuk> the kernel might be, of course
[01:14] <Keybuk> but there's no reason why udev would be dropping kernel events
[01:14] <fabbione> hmm weird
[01:15] <fabbione> yeah i see no reason except it started happening all of a sudden
[01:15] <Keybuk> *shrug*
[01:15] <Keybuk> udev is almost never to blame
[01:16] <zul> heh..
[01:20] <makx> Keybuk i've a questions for dapper initramfs-tools
[01:20] <Keybuk> makx: dapper?
[01:20] <makx> yes i'm facing same sort of upgrade somehow
[01:21] <Keybuk> hmm?
[01:21] <makx> Keybuk: mkinitramfs is adding vgchange and mdrun, but i see no boot script
[01:21] <Keybuk> it's in mdadm or lvm2 ?
[01:21] <makx> (conditional addition)
[01:22] <Keybuk> you'll have to be more verbose
[01:22] <makx> well mkinitramfs add mdrun if there is no md hook around from mdadm, but mdrun and mdadm is installed
[01:23] <makx> but i see no boot script calling this mdrun
[01:23] <makx> some story for vgchange
[01:23] <Keybuk> BE MORE VERBOSE :)
[01:23] <Keybuk> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/lvm
[01:23] <Keybuk> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/lvm
[01:23] <Keybuk> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/evms
[01:23] <Keybuk> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/evms
[01:23] <Keybuk> *shrug*
[01:23] <Keybuk> it's all there
[01:24] <makx> # FIXME: Remove this LVM block after Dapper releases
[01:24] <makx> if [ -x /sbin/vgchange -a -d /lib/lvm-200 -a ! -f /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hoo
[01:24] <makx> ks/lvm ] ; then
[01:24] <makx> copy_exec /lib/lvm-200/vgchange /sbin
[01:24] <makx> and so on..
[01:24] <makx> but i don't see the usage inside of 0.40ubuntu32
[01:24] <Keybuk> why would it be in initramfs-tools ?
[01:25] <Keybuk> it's in our lvm packages
[01:25] <makx> also the breezy lvm had no hooks yet
[01:25] <Keybuk> I don't understand what you're going on about
[01:25] <Keybuk> could you please be more verbose
[01:25] <makx> i think it was done for partial upgrades
[01:25] <makx>   * Conditionalise the use of lvm and md in mkinitramfs so it's a no-op if
[01:25] <makx>     you don't have those packages installed, but allows for smooth upgrades
[01:25] <makx>     if you have older versions that don't ship their own hooks yet.
[01:25] <Keybuk> *shrug* no idea
[01:25] <Keybuk> ask whoever did that change
[01:26] <makx> the strange thing is that it is not accompagnied by an lvm or md script in scripts/local-top
[01:26] <Keybuk> no, it wouldn't be
[01:26] <Keybuk> the lvm and md script are in lvm2 and mdadm
[01:27] <Keybuk> it's likely that code was supposed to be removed from mkinitramfs and never was
[01:27] <makx> no it was added shortly before dapper release
[01:27] <makx> so it was on purpose
[01:27] <Keybuk> then it's likely to be a bug fix for something
[01:27] <Keybuk> no idea what
[01:27] <Keybuk> dependency ordering, maybe?
[01:27] <makx> yes partial upgrade where you still have old lvm2 from breezy around
[01:28] <Keybuk> right
[01:28] <Keybuk> there you go then
[01:28] <makx> still i miss the boot scripts of that idea, so it was only half done
[01:28] <Keybuk> no
[01:28] <Keybuk> the boot scripts are in lvm2
[01:28] <Keybuk> I keep saying this
[01:28] <Keybuk> but you keep ignoring me
[01:28] <Keybuk> quest scott% dpkg -L lvm-common | grep initramfs
[01:28] <Keybuk> /usr/share/initramfs-tools
[01:28] <Keybuk> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts
[01:28] <Keybuk> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top
[01:28] <Keybuk> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/lvm
[01:28] <Keybuk> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks
[01:28] <Keybuk> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/lvm
[01:29] <makx> no i don't ignore you but lvm2 versioned dep is pulled in by?
[01:29] <Keybuk> ubuntu-desktop
[01:29] <makx> i see
[01:29] <Keybuk> or probably ubuntu-standard or something
[01:29] <makx> ok that explains why you didn't to care about the boot scripts
[01:30] <Keybuk> in edgy, we don't install either lvm2 or mdadm by default
[01:30] <makx> have no such dep on the Debian side
[01:30] <Keybuk> and we made an effort in dapper to remove all the specific stuff out of initramfs-tools
[01:30] <Keybuk> so it's just a "kit for making initramfses"
[01:30] <makx> Keybuk: sure but you upgrade from a package that has already initramfs hooks
[01:31] <makx> much easier, thanks Keybuk
[02:04] <rodarvus> infinity, ping
[02:08] <infinity> rodarvus: pong
[02:09] <rodarvus> infinity, I'd like to blacklist build of a bunch of X.Org packages on some architectures - sometime ago I was informed I should talk to you to do this :)
[02:10] <rodarvus> (sorry for asking in #ubuntu-kernel, btw - I didn't noticed before actually asking here)
[02:11] <infinity> rodarvus: We don't actually have that capacity correctly in place right now.  I have an outstanding soyuz bug about it.
[02:11] <rodarvus> oh, no problem, then
[02:11] <infinity> rodarvus: Is it too much trouble to set the arch: line in the source? (I assume this is for the suncg drivers and such)
[02:11] <rodarvus> it is set
[02:12] <infinity> Right, so no big deal.  They'll fail, which is what we want.
[02:12] <infinity> It wastes a few buildd cycles to get there, but not the end of the world.
[02:12] <rodarvus> the "bug" is only cosmetic, actually - packages are showing as "build failed" on Soyuz, even with Arch: set on debian/control
[02:12] <infinity> Yeah, no big deal.  Some day, soyuz will be fixed to do P-a-s stuff properly, like Debian, and you won't have to see that.
[02:13] <rodarvus> *nods*
[02:13] <rodarvus> infinity, thanks!
[02:18] <mdz> one day, we'll make the Architecture line in the .dsc work correctly
[02:19] <infinity> mdz: Well, it does, but that only works well for inclusive arch lines, not exclusive.
[02:20] <infinity> So, in the case of a sparc-only driver (like this), Arch: sparc is fine.  In the case of sometihng that you DON'T want built on a single arch (or a few), it gets... Ugly.
[02:20] <mdz> exactly
[02:20] <rodarvus> infinity, apparently its failing for inclusive arch lines too
[02:20] <infinity> And changing those sorts of semantics across the board in dpkg, sbuild, etc, etc gets... Interesting.
[02:20] <rodarvus> (see latest build of xserver-xorg-video-i810)
[02:21] <mdz> it should contain enough information for the buildds to determine whether they need to bother
[02:21] <infinity> rodarvus: No, it works fine.  sbuild bombs out when it sees it.
[02:21] <infinity> rodarvus: soyuz isn't looking at it, but the buildds do.
[02:21] <rodarvus> infinity, oh, right - sorry
[02:21] <rodarvus> I thought you were mentioning soyuz
[02:22] <infinity> No, not especially.  The soyuz problem is purely cosmetic, really.  Having the buildds DTRT is what really matters.
[02:22] <infinity> Catching it in soyuz first saves a bit of time, but it's not really a big deal.
[03:25] <thom> uh, is http://www.kernel.org/git not actually showing any projects for anyone else?
[03:26] <zul> thom: no problems here
[03:26] <rodarvus> no problems here either
[03:28] <thom> great, thanks.
[05:55] <freeflying|away> use edgy-alternate-amd64(today's iso), it can not install on an AMD64 Turion 64x2's notebook, after boot kernel, it hangs, and give a message like this " kernel dicrect mapping tables up to 10000000 @ 8000-8000" at the bottom of the screen
[05:56] <freeflying|away> I've tried with noapic and nolapic
[08:01] <zul> well that was unpleasant
[09:36] <crimsun> Fjodor: are you referring to a specific source file or the config{,s} themselves?
[09:38] <Fjodor> crimsun: I assume that /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.17/include/linux/config.h (or autoconf.h, as it is) is generated on kernel build. There, I find a #undef CONFIG_D80211 (not unset, sorry)
[09:39] <Fjodor> crimsun: This prevents building of rt2x00 cvs sources
[09:39] <Fjodor> crimsun: as their rt2x00_compat.h #include <linux/config.h>
[09:40] <crimsun> Fjodor: but CONFIG_D80211=m appears in all the i386-class configs.
[09:40] <crimsun> http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git;a=blob;h=0da4742d94127974c29d20325fd47e6933e40da8;hb=b6e0a65ea85c03dc1512b4b13d1f24bc837a6481;f=debian/config/i386/config
[09:41] <crimsun> what do the cvs snaps offer in addition?
[09:42] <Fjodor> crimsun: cvs sources has their own config file, where it must be set to y
[09:43] <crimsun> and other distros' kernel headers have it set?
[09:43] <Fjodor> crimsun: Wouldn't know. I'm not sure other kernel trees have it at all
[09:44] <Fjodor> crimsun: It is hardly stable now, and thus even less so at the time the sources where put in the kernel
[09:52] <Fjodor> crimsun: All in all, any config for rt2x00 and dscape 80211 in the kernel autoconf.h will override values from rt2x00 cvs config. I am in the process of reporting this to their fora, but a specific #undef seems unnecessary, and is atm. counterproductive
[09:52] <crimsun> Fjodor: I can't speak for a policy decision, sorry
[09:53] <Fjodor> crimsun: inasmuch as the #undef is the result of completely unselecting rt2x00 from the kernel with cvs build in mind
[09:53] <Fjodor> crimsun: Ok. You said BenC?
[09:55] <crimsun> yes.
[09:55] <crimsun> (he's off at a tourney atm)
[09:58] <Fjodor> crimsun: Ok. I'll get back sometime then
[10:00] <Fjodor> crimsun: For now, though, I'm off to bed. Thanks so far
[11:26] <wesj> hi


[07:01] <froud> African Greetings
[07:21] <froud> enrico: I have added OMF files for FAQ and QG.   Yes, I've seen them last night
[11:12] <froud> no todays
[11:12] <froud> check list
[11:12] <enrico> I fixed the makefile to point xsltproc to DocBook 4.2.1's catalogs
[11:12] <froud> :-) thannks
[11:14] <enrico> oh, great!
[11:15] <froud> so the build needs four omfs and registration
[11:16] <froud> we can't get it into array 6, Kamion already just released it
[11:17] <froud> Array 6 does install the doc packages though :-)
[11:17] <froud> so users will get our updates
[11:17] <enrico> oh, so we're already in the main seed and stuff
[11:18] <enrico> or desktop seed
[11:18] <froud> sure
[11:18] <enrico> (I still haven't gotten around so know these seeds things very well)
[11:18] <froud> once we have the new build it will show in Yelp
[11:19] <froud> At present they dont show
[11:21] <enrico> froud: is faq.omf about the FAQ Guide?
[11:21] <froud> yes
[11:21] <froud> rename if you need
[11:21] <enrico> ok, I'll change the title then (It's the Unofficial Ubuntu Guide)
[11:22] <froud> Perhaps we can work on that for Grumpy and make it official :-)
[11:22] <enrico> And the creator is more like Chua Wen Kiat
[11:22] <froud> yes
[11:23] <enrico> And it's (argh) for Warty
[11:23] <enrico> (now that I see the title on ubuntuguide.org
[11:23] <enrico> )
[11:23] <froud> yes, I know
[11:23] <enrico> Now that the quickguide is almost finished, we could coordinate with Chua about upgrading the guide for Hoary
[11:23] <froud> yes but it must be done in svn
[11:24] <froud> otherwise plovs work was for nothing
[11:24] <enrico> sure. It could be the moment in which we converge
[11:24] <enrico> Another thing I had in mind for post-quickguide was to get access to some document in /usr/share/doc/<package>
[11:25] <enrico> I'll make a wikipage for post-hoary docteam ideas
[11:25] <froud> yes, it bothers me that everyone is off doing their own thing. We need a focused effort
[11:25] <enrico> like a brainstorming page
[11:25] <enrico> which calls for a meeting soon
[11:26] <froud> like there is an Unofficial User Guide :-(
[11:26] <froud> All this defocused stuff will get confusing for the user
[11:26] <froud> b'side we need the help
[11:42] <enrico> 2 new people subscribed to our commits mailing list today
[11:43] <froud> I asked ari if he will be staying with us for grumpy develop. If he is we should create him an account.
[11:45] <froud> enrico: did you manage to build it and see it in yelp
[11:45] <enrico> I built.  Now I try to install it
[11:45] <sivang> morning all
[11:46] <froud> boker tov
[11:46] <enrico> morning sivang !
[11:46] <sivang> hey enrico, froud
[11:46] <sivang> froud: did you get along with making the docs appear in yelp?
[11:46] <froud> :-) yep
[11:47] <froud> we're cooking with gas now
[11:47] <froud> sivang: enrico is just testing the packaging build
[11:48] <enrico> froud: Ok, I get them inside the "Generic" category"
[11:48] <froud> enrico: ok let me build an dtest it too
[11:49] <froud> all your commits in
[11:50] <enrico> Things show up nicely, except the image in the "Abount Ubuntu" page
[11:50] <enrico> froud: there's a very new commit fixing the title in the QUickGUide OMF
[11:50] <sivang> froud: yep, it's mportant :)
[11:50] <sivang> enrico: Howdy!
[11:56] <froud> enrico: nice, all there and working. Now it would be better if we can get the Ubuntu Docs on the default yelp page
[11:57] <enrico> froud: yes... dunno how to do it, though
[11:57] <froud> that make two of us
[11:57] <enrico> but I can try to figure out
[11:57] <froud> :-)
[11:57] <froud> gimme a hint and I will help
[11:58] <enrico> I'm reporting some tons of bug atm
[11:58] <sivang> enrico: I think I can help here
[11:58] <enrico> sivang: Please do
[11:58] <sivang> enrico: (wrt your last question in -devel)
[11:58] <froud> sivang: go on then what do we need to do
[11:58] <sivang> enrico: is the omf file available from the source pkg?
[11:58] <enrico> froud: and how about the image in the about ubuntu document?  Does it show up in your yelp?
[11:59] <sivang> thom appears to hav already helped you
[11:59] <froud> no yelp is to stupid
[11:59] <enrico> sivang: yes, but his help is not accessible
[12:00] <sivang> enrico: oh how come? :-/
[12:00] <enrico> sivang: the mail has not reached the list (possibly moderated)
[12:00] <sivang> enrico: anyway , svn co url is the way to go if you just want to checkout the doc repor without having an account right? (I'm doing a couple of thins in between and can't set up my account now)
[12:01] <enrico> sure: plese svn co the thing
[12:01] <sivang> enrico: k, thanks.
[12:02] <sivang> http//docs.ubunut.com right?
[12:02] <froud> sivang: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk
[12:03] <sivang> froud: tnx
[12:04] <sivang> checking out
[12:09] <sivang> enrico: where in trunk are the omf files?
[12:09] <enrico> sivang: debian/
[12:09] <sivang> eh found
[12:09] <sivang> enrico: yes, sorry
[12:19] <sivang> enrico: I'm trying something at it , let's see what comes out :)
[12:46] <enrico> nice snow storm here
[12:46] <enrico> sivang: thanks!
[12:49] <sivang> enrico: hey I envy you for being in Italy in a nice snow storm
[12:49] <sivang> :)
[01:04] <sivang> enrico: ping again
[01:04] <enrico> pong
[01:04] <sivang> enrico: I think I can creat a topleve catagory for our docs , still checking :)
[01:07] <sivang> bah it takes long to build
[01:07] <enrico> sivang: sure it does :(
[01:08] <sivang> finished :)
[01:08] <sivang> installing (over my system)
[01:08] <sivang> now let's check
[01:08] <sivang> got it!
[01:08] <sivang> I did it :)
[01:09] <enrico> it works?  WOW!  I want to see
[01:09] <sivang> enrico: it's only an catagory addition, would you like to take on from here?
[01:09] <sivang> enrico: I have some bugs I'm fighting with at moment besides that
[01:09] <sivang> :)
[01:09] <enrico> sivang: just show me what you did
[01:09] <sivang> enrico: but that was satisfactory
[01:09] <sivang> enrico: sure :)
[01:09] <enrico> a patch (svn diff) or something
[01:09] <enrico> if it's short, paste it here
[01:10] <enrico> froud: do you still need a hand for those validity errors?
[01:11] <sivang> enrico: how do I hand install file to scrollkeepr database?
[01:11] <froud> enrico: yes
[01:11] <enrico> froud: gnam gnam, let's see...
[01:13] <enrico> sivang: scrollkeeper-install?
[01:13] <enrico> sivang: post that patch! :)
[01:14] <froud> enrico: http://scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net/documentation/writing_scrollkeeper_omf_files/ar01s08.html#skomf-registering
[01:14] <enrico> sivang: that link is for oyu
[01:15] <froud> you can also test it
[01:15] <froud> scrollkeeper-install -i -p foo_db_dir foo.amf
[01:15] <froud> omf
[01:16] <sivang> enrico: eh, I see now I only managed to add a toplever catagory in yelp, but there is apparently more work to do to make it a "section" with the docs underneath it
[01:16] <froud> enrico: dunno if I will get to those valid errors in FAQ
[01:16] <enrico> froud: what would the 'base' attribute do in the <chapter> element?
[01:17] <enrico> sivang: would you mind telling us HOW you did it?
[01:17] <sivang> enrico: ok, I don't think you would need a patch for that, here goes:
[01:17] <sivang> enrico: go to /usr/share/yelp
[01:17] <sivang> enrico: then edit the file toc.xml
[01:18] <sivang> enrico:  <toc id="UbuntuDocs">
[01:18] <sivang>     <title>Ubuntu Documentation</title>
[01:18] <sivang>     </toc>
[01:18] <sivang> add this
[01:18] <sivang> and you get a nice toplevel catagory in yelp
[01:18] <sivang> now, how do you make it corrospond to a scrollkeeper databse entry..
[01:19] <enrico> oh, ok.  That's a problem for me anyway, because my .debs can't change a file belonging to another package
[01:19] <sivang> enrico: a patch for this file should go into yelp source package,
[01:20] <sivang> enrico: if you want it to get installed. and yelp is the package which installs it
[01:20] <enrico> oh, yes, trye
[01:20] <enrico> oh, yes, true
[01:20] <sivang> enrico: I hope I helped a bit :-/
[01:20] <enrico> I forgot that we have the freedom of patching the other packages :)
[01:20] <sivang> enrico: hehehe
[01:21] <froud> enrico: where do you have a @base?
[01:21] <sivang> enrico: I can patch it for you if you like, I am just still trying to figure how to match between yelp toc.xml and the db catagories
[01:21] <sivang> enrico: and seb would review/upload
[01:22] <enrico> sivang: sounds good, let's try that.  When you got how to have an "Ubuntu" cagetory, we can just use that
[01:22] <enrico> that'd be really nice!
[01:23] <enrico> froud: it's when validating things: it tells me "faqs/GettingStarted.xml:9: element chapter: validity error : No declaration for attribute base of element chapter"
[01:23] <enrico> I'll start fixing all of them, as soon as I can understand the error message :)
[01:25] <enrico> froud: ops.  While googling I see that someone asked the same question, but got few results
[01:25] <enrico> froud: and he was some "Sean Wheller" :)
[01:27] <enrico> it's happened to me before to look for my problem in Google and to find... my problem, reported by me (or someone working with me) months ago already
[01:29] <froud> Hmm the xml base problem.
[01:31] <froud> Docbook 4.1.2 did not know what to do if xinlcude docs are not in the same dir as the including file
[01:31] <froud> Obviously that was one of the reasons why I used Docbook 4.3 :-)
[01:31] <enrico> uhm... thinking
[01:31] <froud> so solve this we can mv all docs in faqs to ..
[01:31] <froud> then change the fileref values
[01:31] <enrico> that was what I was thinking
[01:32] <froud> you want to do it or shall I
[01:32] <enrico> I do it
[01:32] <froud> ok
[01:34] <froud> enrico: more of a problem is what is the sect-general that all those xrefs link to
[01:34] <froud> I don't see any section called General Notes
[01:34] <enrico> froud: that is?
[01:34] <enrico> Oh.  You can see it in ubuntuguide.org
[01:35] <enrico> it's like a disclaimer
[01:35] <enrico> strange it's not in the repo
[01:35] <froud> Hmm ok
[01:36] <froud> found it
[01:37] <froud> wierd it is in the document &general-notes;
[01:38] <enrico> froud: committed: now it works
[01:38] <enrico> I'll also rename faq2.xml in something else
[01:41] <enrico> I'm checking Chua Wen Kiat's blog: he appeared in another 2 newspaper articles!
[01:44] <sivang> enrico: any progress?
[01:45] <enrico> sivang: the FAQ Guide now validates
[01:45] <enrico> froud, sivang: DocteamPostHoary !
[01:49] <sivang> enrico: what?
[01:49] <enrico> sivang: it's a wiki page
[01:49] <sivang> enrico: I can't figure out what needed to be done furhter to make the yelp catagory valid
[01:49] <sivang> enrico: sorry
[01:49] <enrico> sivang: no problem
[01:49] <sivang> enrico: darn, this yelp --> scrollkeepr relationships stuff is pretty complex
[01:51] <froud> Oh and Jeff agrees
[01:51] <froud> :-)
[01:52] <enrico> I don't know what to say: at the conf they liked the idea of the about page showing up in yelp...
[01:53] <froud> about page and ubuntu docs should be under firefox
[01:53] <froud> use mono to create a toc
[01:53] <froud> much easier
[01:53] <froud> people who use man, use cli
[01:54] <froud> enrico: did you rename faqqqq2.xml
[01:54] <froud> enrico: did you rename faq2.xml
[01:57] <sivang> froud: since when did he agree with that?
[01:57] <froud> since he sent mail yesterday
[01:58] <enrico> froud: no, I didn't rename it
[01:58] <sivang> froud: you mean to the doc list?
[01:58] <froud> are you going to
[01:58] <sivang> froud: I don't get how mono creates documentation tocs :)
[01:58] <froud> sivang: the one and only
[01:58] <enrico> froud: i thought about doing so, if that is not a problem
[01:58] <sivang> froud: or how it can be used to created documentation either
[01:58] <froud> enrico: let do it
[01:59] <froud> sivang: huh now you lost me
[01:59] <sivang> well, I can't give hand to this :) I'm a shaunm fanboy and on his mub ;-))
[01:59] <sivang> too bad his not around at the moment, otherwise he would help us alot
[01:59] <froud> sivang: most of the packaging problems we are having are caus eof yelp/omf/scrollkeeper
[01:59] <enrico> froud: "faqguide.xml", allright?
[02:00] <sivang> we just don't know them too well :)
[02:00] <froud> enrico: not particular just give it a name
[02:00] <froud> but remember to update the build
[02:00] <froud> I will adjust  the makefile
[02:01] <enrico> froud: renamed.  Testing...
[02:04] <enrico> froud: committed.  Makefile should be ok as well
[02:05] <enrico> now I'm considering renaming the OMF files adding the language code
[02:05] <froud> I think it is a good idea. thom is right about that
[02:05] <enrico> I'm on it, then
[02:06] <froud> thanx dude you're a star. I just don't have much time now to get into new things
[02:07] <froud> Trying to prepare for Linux World JHB
[02:08] <froud> but I had a brain fart and cant think waht to write
[02:08] <enrico> froud: white page panic?
[02:09] <froud> enrico: brain fart two para then stop
[02:09] <froud> delete
[02:09] <froud> two para
[02:09] <froud> delete
[02:09] <froud> two para
[02:09] <froud> delete
[02:09] <enrico> froud: take some playing cards, and some post-it notes
[02:10] <enrico> froud: brainstorm silly ideas for contents on the post-it notes, and stick one idea to one playing card
[02:10] <enrico> froud: (use the back of the card, so that the image doesn't distract you)
[02:10] <enrico> froud: after you have your deck of ideas, spread it on the table
[02:10] <enrico> froud: then, group them without thinking, according to your instinct
[02:11] <froud> its always easy to write for everyone else but never easy to write for ones self
[02:11] <enrico> froud: don't ask yourself questions and don't think while you group them (also while you brainstorm them, if you want)
[02:11] <enrico> froud: after you're satisfied with grouping, turn your rational mind back on and look at what you have and what are the groups
[02:11] <enrico> froud: this is called "Card sorting" and it's very useful
[02:12] <froud> does that work
[02:12] <enrico> froud: very well for me
[02:12] <froud> must be an Italian thingy
[02:12] <enrico> it allows you to "touch" your ideas, work on them freely on a large surface with two hands
[02:12] <froud> never heard of it
[02:12] <froud> lets try
[02:13] <enrico> froud: They do it, for example, when deciding which action goes on which menu on a user interface
[02:13] <froud> and that's why the GUI is so confusing :-)
[02:13] <enrico> they prepare the cards, one card per program function, then ask a sample of users to group them
[02:13] <froud> I didnt know that
[02:13] <enrico> that allows to have the actions sorted according to the brain model of the users and not the one of the developers
[02:14] <froud> cool ide
[02:14] <froud> idea
[02:14] <enrico> I don't know, however, which applications have been designed like this
[02:17] <froud> OK I am going back to the drawing board. Is there anything else left before I move
[02:18] <enrico> I'm quite satisfied with today.  I could upload the new packages to Hoary and then look for mdz
[02:18] <froud> sounds good
[02:18] <enrico> I have tons of things to ask him: freeze dates, yelp or not yelp, post-hoary goals, docteam meeting, notify us when app features change...
[02:18] <enrico> :w
[02:19] <enrico> ops
[02:19] <froud> we still need to close some of those new menu items
[02:19] <froud> I posted about them to the list
[02:19] <enrico> Seen it
[02:19] <froud> pitty if we did not finish them
[02:19] <froud> once we have done that we can do a final check and then final package
[02:20] <enrico> yes
[02:20] <froud> then tag
[02:20] <froud> and meet
[02:20] <enrico> I'll post a recap of things needing help in the list
[02:20] <enrico> yes!
[02:20] <froud> and decide new directions for grumpy
[03:06] <sivang> are you guys planning a meeting?
[03:07] <sivang> ah ok, I'll have to catch up a lot on -doc to see when and where.
[04:48] <enrico> froud: around?
[07:44] <froud> enrico: what's up
[07:56] <enrico> froud: ok.  I had a chat with mdz, I'll post the results
[09:36] <abelli> sivang: enrico: ChrisH
[09:37] <abelli> ping
[09:37] <abelli> Kinnison: ciao r you here?
[09:38] <sivang> abelli: pong
[09:38] <abelli> sivang: http://socrates.homedns.org/cms/
[09:38] <abelli> tell me what you think
[09:38] <abelli> please
[09:38] <abelli> :))
[09:42] <sivang> abelli: A M A Z I N G ! ! ! !
[09:42] <abelli> sivang: is it this bad?
[09:42] <abelli> ahh.. right ;)
[09:42] <sivang> abelli: I want this also for my local website, simple CMS?
[09:42] <abelli> yes
[09:43] <sivang> abelli: amazing, really.
[09:43] <abelli> sivang: but let's see if ill be the italian loco leader anymore :(
[09:44] <sivang> abelli: why?
[09:44] <abelli> sivang: a person, complained about how, he said, i do direct the community..
[09:44] <abelli> :((
[09:44] <sivang> eh I se
[09:44] <sivang> see
[09:44] <sivang> well , what can say
[09:44] <abelli> the problem is, i didnt direct anything..
[09:44] <sivang> hmm
[09:45] <sivang> well, then start directing :)
[09:45] <abelli> because ive been working on a proper website
[09:45] <abelli> to give support and blah blah blah..
[09:45] <abelli> i did only one big mistake..
[09:45] <abelli> :(
[09:45] <abelli> because i didnt want to leave user without a website..
[09:45] <abelli> we had www.ubuntuitalia.it, opened up some weeks ago,
[09:46] <abelli> and this person helped with forums
[09:46] <abelli> ...now he goes here and there, saying hes ubuntuitalia..
[09:46] <abelli> when i asked him to respect the code of conduct, he just complained with smurfix..
[09:47] <abelli> im so sad
[09:47] <abelli> ..let make things clear..
[09:47] <abelli> the other 99% of the ppl that worked in ubuntuitalia is with me..
[09:47] <abelli> but im still sad
[09:49] <sivang> well, talk to smurfix and you would be alright
[09:49] <sivang> :)
[09:49] <abelli> sivang: he has no time for me today, hes going in london to tomorrow
[09:49] <sivang> abelli: eh, good for him :)
[09:49] <sivang> abelli: what's going on in london?
[09:50] <abelli> hmm dunno


[00:00] <cjwatson> One bot with queue admin on Ubuntu is quite enough thankyouverymuch and I'd like to try to keep privileges at least slightly least
[00:00] <wgrant> It all becomes a lot simpler when scalingstack is everywhere, but we still need to make private archives non-hideous.
[00:00] <wgrant> If possible.
[00:00] <cjwatson> So maybe we can still have somewhat different rules for public and private archives
[00:02] <cjwatson> But trying to have a common class of solution for private and devirt means either something that looks for any devirt archive, or adding an ArchivePermission to Ubuntu primary, or a special-case hack of some kind
[00:03] <cjwatson> I'd managed to avoid adding a celebrity so far ...
[00:08] <wgrant> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1F1wh8MxaxC-pSx5yMsFNpKFm5Mytsvn0Ugw2AIgQXzU/edit#
[00:10] <cjwatson> I was just writing up something too, only in vim :P
[00:10] <wgrant> vim sadly isn't easily multi-user.
[00:10] <wgrant> As much as I'd prefer it :)
[00:11] <cjwatson> Right, just lots more pleasant to use when my mirror sync and backups are both running
[00:11] <cjwatson> But let's see
[00:11] <wgrant> Heh
[00:11] <cjwatson> Any LiveFS can be built against a public archive.
[00:11] <cjwatson> To build a LiveFS against a private archive, the owners must match exactly.
[00:11] <cjwatson>  => registrant is in common owner => registrant can see archive
[00:11] <cjwatson> was what I had so far
[00:11] <cjwatson> LiveFS gains a require_virtualized column, set by admins as for PPAs.  (This is a bit more cumbersome, but lets us vet owners, and LiveFSBuild : LiveFS :: PPA builds : Archive, after a fashion.)
[00:12] <wgrant> Right, the require_virtualized thing is hideous, but hopefully ~temporary.
[00:12] <wgrant> The private archive restriction is hopefully not terribly onerous.
[00:12] <wgrant> And can always be relaxed later, I suppose, if we run into real problems with PES.
[00:13] <cjwatson> Even though that means the answers to the two problems are quite different rather than paralleling each other, I think that's actually sufficient given the existing LiveFS.requestBuild security
[00:14] <wgrant> Having such a security-sensitive flag duplicated on another table is awful, but hopefully of limited life due to scalingstack taking over the world.
[00:14] <wgrant> So I'm not as far against it as I was late last year, when everyone was "omg we can't do scalingstack for Ubuntu the world will be on fire"
[00:14] <cjwatson> It's sort of duplication but not entirely
[00:15] <wgrant> It's another class of objects that we have to check for terrible security holes.
[00:15] <wgrant> In terms of nagios checks for owners and such.
[00:15] <cjwatson> Yes, that's true, I should dig those up for comparison.  Are they in puppet?
[00:15] <wgrant> But I think those two solutions are workable for now.
[00:16] <wgrant> I'm not sure if they actually exist in any particularly current fashion. There are RTs which suggest they might not actually work.
[00:16] <cjwatson> Yay.
[00:19] <wgrant> Anyway, sounds like this should be relatively easy to implement for you?
[00:19] <wgrant> Just need to ensure that the permission checks occur at dispatch time (as well?)
[00:20] <cjwatson> Trying to rationalise this: a write permission check on the archive helps for privacy (buildd secret), but is wrong for virtness because really we're only reading from the archive and might well need to do a livefs build on devirt hardware for make-it-work reasons but with a virt PPA as a dependency.
[00:20] <wgrant> Though I guess the lack of retries means that's not such a huge issue, still.
[00:21] <wgrant> Right, that sounds reasonable.
[00:21] <cjwatson> Yes, I can do this tomorrow.  I have indeed got the message that it needs to be done at dispatch time. :-)  Worth doing at least lightweight checks (and probably all of this is sufficiently lightweight) in the model on requests as well.
[00:22] <wgrant> Definitely.
[00:22] <wgrant> It's all pretty lightweight now you're not doing a hideous query over every ArchivePermission evar.
[00:22] <cjwatson> SSD DBs baby
[00:22] <cjwatson> or maybe not
[00:22] <wgrant> Maybe before the heat death of the universe.
[00:24] <cjwatson> I've done the rest of your review, so will just need to go round again and make sure I haven't broken the browser code, and make sure it still works end-to-end
[00:25] <wgrant> cjwatson: I'm just wondering how likely it is that people will shoot themselves in the foot by building some random PPA on a non-virt LiveFS.
[00:26] <wgrant> s/themselvesk in the foot/us in the face/
[00:26] <cjwatson> Well, the most important use case for building a LiveFS against a PPA is the CI engine stuff
[00:27] <cjwatson> Secondarily, letting flavours run short-term experiments
[00:27] <cjwatson> The first is already all devirt, and perhaps we can just say that for the second you get to copy the LiveFS to a require_virtualized=True flavour
[00:27] <wgrant> Yeah, exactly.
[00:28] <wgrant> The only cases in which it really makes sense to do a nonvirt livefs on a virt PPA are narrow
[00:28] <cjwatson> And then say that if LiveFS.require_virtualised is False then so must Archive.require_virtualised be.
[00:28] <wgrant> Arch-indep only changes, and old Xen kernels
[00:28] <wgrant> And the latter is going to go away in a couple of weeks i hope.
[00:28] <wgrant> So I think that restriction would be sensible.
[00:28] <cjwatson> Certainly don't think it makes sense to design this around the Xen constraints
[00:29] <cjwatson> Kubuntu want to do PPA-based livefs experiments in the not too distant future
[00:29] <wgrant> Yes, mostly documenting that so I can review IRC logs when in 18 months I wonder why we made stupid decisions.
[00:29] <cjwatson> But I think we can hold that off for a while
[00:29] <cjwatson> The CI engine stuff can't really wait
[00:30] <wgrant> CI is all non-virt
[00:30] <wgrant> Presumably Kubuntu would have to be too.
[00:30] <cjwatson> Exactly
[00:30] <cjwatson> Well
[00:30] <wgrant> Or they'll be missing powerpc packages
[00:30] <wgrant> In which case they wouldn't want powerpc ISOs anyway
[00:30] <cjwatson> I'm not sure they care about powerpc for the experiments in question
[00:30] <cjwatson> I haven't really analysed it but I suspect they could go all virt
[00:31] <cjwatson> Which would save us from having to deal with the devirt => Canonical restriction
[00:31] <wgrant> Right, but the only interesting case is a mixed one.
[00:31] <wgrant> And Kubuntu doesn't seem to require that.
[00:31] <wgrant> Nor does CI
[00:31] <wgrant> And I can't think of any that do.
[00:32] <cjwatson> The ones I can think of are quick experiments - "what happens if I build an image based on this change", outside the CI system
[00:32] <cjwatson> But we could have people copy the livefs for that
[00:33] <wgrant> Right, and they already have to copy if they don't participate in the livefs owner.
[00:33] <wgrant> So copies have to work well anyway.
[00:33] <cjwatson> Or even just say that if you try to build a LiveFS against a virt archive then the build ends up virtualised too.
[00:33] <wgrant> Ah, that would work, indeed.
[00:33] <wgrant> A LiveFS build is non-virt iff its LiveFS and Archive both are.
[00:34] <cjwatson> It's require_virtualized not require_devirtualized, so it can be implicit in that direction.
[00:38] <wgrant> I think those were the only thorny issues in the review, weren't they?
[00:40] <cjwatson> There were a few things I had to slightly guess at how to implement correctly, but nothing else was fundamentally hard, no.
[00:42]  * cjwatson sleeps, thanks for the help
[00:43] <wgrant> Night, thanks for working this out
[00:43] <wgrant> I'll hopefully approve your UI branch today, now that we know model changes aren't required.
[13:13] <wgrant> stub: https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/ppa-reset-2.0-db/+merge/223395 could use a review some time tomorrow, if you've time.
[13:14] <stub> wgrant: k
[13:14] <wgrant> Oh, you're still alive.
[13:18] <stub> wgrant: what does a null vm_reset_protocol mean?
[13:19] <wgrant> stub: Same as null vm_host -- incomplete setup if the virtualized flag is set
[13:19] <wgrant> We'll refuse to dispatch in that case, as we do with vm_host
[13:19] <wgrant> I could add a CHECK constraint to that effect, but then I'd have to fix all the tests that violate that constraint with vm_host already.
[13:19] <wgrant> And given this will hopefully all go away within 12 months...
[13:20] <stub> Yup. and unlikely worth adding the constraints for that, if we can.
[13:21] <wgrant> stub: Thanks.
[16:38] <cjwatson> wgrant: I believe I've implemented all the livefs stuff from last night (including a db-livefs change) and fixed up livefs-browser to match.  Just running an end-to-end build now.
[16:38] <cjwatson> wgrant: But should be ready for re-review of the changes.
[17:33] <cjwatson> wgrant: End-to-end build test still works.
[23:46] <wgrant> cjwatson: Lovely, let me see.