[17:09] <secretaire> no, official default repo via synaptics, no ppa, no manual install
[17:09] <OerHeks> ducasse +1 without proper update, seaching can be endlesly
[17:10] <secretaire> ducasse, you mean "sudo apt-get install "http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-5.7/libmysqlclient20_5.7.13-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.deb" ?
[17:10] <ducasse> secretaire: one more time; try 'sudo apt update ; sudo apt install -f'
[17:10] <secretaire> ok, just what you wrote without any more argument
[17:10] <Archvile> ok so i did dpkg -L electricsheep and it shows that stuff should be in usr/bin/ folder, but when I open it theres nothing there?
[17:10] <Archvile> like the files are hidden or something =)
[17:11] <ioria> !info libmysqlclient20
[17:12] <secretaire> done ! it seems command line managed it
[17:13] <Archvile> why are the files not visible in the explorer? (or whatever that file manager thingy is called in ubuntu)
[17:13] <ducasse> secretaire: good. if you got no errors you should be fine now.
[17:13] <mcphail> Archvile: PPAs are unsupported here. The only support you'll find is from whoever made the PPA. Ubuntu hasn't used screensavers for ages
[17:13] <Melio> ducasse: EriC^ : it booted as expected. thanks
[17:13] <Melio> anything else to clear this up nessicary, it's it going to persist?
[17:13] <ducasse> Melio: \o/ :)
[17:13] <Archvile> my question is not even related to ppa
[17:13] <Melio> i'm glad too. reinstalling this would be suckfest
[17:13] <Vacuum_> Hi, I have two problems. When I close laptop lid or go to sleep, I do not get any display or resume. when I plug the data cable of lcd in my laptop e5430 latitude, the lcd says 'going to sleep' and I do not get any display. I am using kubuntu 16.04.01. WHat can be wrong?
[17:14] <ducasse> Melio: i think you should be fine now.
[17:14] <Melio> cool. what summary causes would do this?
[17:14] <mcphail> Archvile: it looks as if you have installed a package from a PPA and can't get it to run. Have I read something incorrectly?
[17:14] <yungBLUD> Hello, can anyone help. My computer seems to run fsck at startup and makes the boot time long. I don't know if it fully runs it as it doesn't seem to progress but says /dev/sda: clean, 264198/29982720 files, 12874838/119902720 blocks
[17:14] <ducasse> Melio: could be the powerfail, hard to say for certain.
[17:14] <Melio> i want to test a bunch of harddrives i have to extract files that i have backed up on them from years of machines and systems i pulled drives from
[17:15] <Melio> could doing this result in efi entries screwing up my system?
[17:15] <Melio> if so, what's a good way to isolate my test drives
[17:15] <Archvile> mcphail, yeah, im asking why i cannot see files in the File Explorer (or whatever its called) thar are supposed to be there by doing dpkg -L <packagename>
[17:15] <ducasse> Melio: most likely not. i would get a usb->sata adapter and plug them in to that.
[17:16] <Melio> oh so booting primary and connecting usb won't touch efi table
[17:16] <Melio> or whatever it's called
[17:16] <ducasse> Melio: no, it won't.
[17:16] <Melio> (hates efi) it seems like an unnecessary system
[17:16]  * ducasse actually likes uefi
[17:16] <Melio> now that you can control it :P
[17:17] <ducasse> Melio: good point :)
[17:17] <mcphail> Archvile: packaging is a dark art, and is influenced by what binaries are in the deb file, and what postinstall scripts are run. We can't help you with your issue with this package. In general, if you "apt-get download packagename" you can click on the downloaded deb to see the directory structure, with the caveats above
[17:17] <Melio> once i learn uefi, i won't have an issue
[17:17] <Melio> that i can't solve i mean
[17:17]  * Melio starts a notebook on uefi linux resolution and knowledge
[17:17] <ducasse> Melio: but those usb/sata thingys are great, you don't need to power down to connect a drive.
[17:17] <Melio> ordering one now :)
[17:17] <Melio> can you boot of them?
[17:18] <Melio> like a usb drive
[17:18] <Archvile> mcphail, ok thanks..
[17:18] <Archvile> i think ill try Linux Mint next
[17:18] <ducasse> Melio: the arch wiki has some excellent articles on uefi and grub.. yes, you can boot them.
[17:18] <mcphail> Archvile: you may have to right-click and get Archive Manager to open it
[17:18] <Melio> nice. worth a penny or so
[17:18] <Melio> thanks Duc
[17:18] <Melio> ducasse:
[17:18] <MMan> uefi is a new technology based in aged technology who actualy providing software scripters with better access to bios settings, and not only! (Anyone to help here ? )
[17:19] <MMan> am i ignored or what ?
[17:19] <ducasse> Melio: i really recommend those articles, got much of my uefi knowledge from them + experiments :)
[17:19] <Jordan_U> yungBLUD: Interesting. I don't see systemd-fsck listed there at all.
[17:20] <Eli-5dce> why you guys no like legacy :(
[17:20] <Melio> MMan: what's your question?
[17:20] <Melio> Eli-5dce: it's not about like, it's about availability no more
[17:20] <Melio> everyone likes 69 GTO's, you just can't find them
[17:20] <MMan> @Melio i have 16.04 iso and i need offline 16.04.2 updates for my usb stick where do i get them ?
[17:20] <Eli-5dce> melio : ohhhh that makes a lot more sense
[17:21] <secretaire> yep ducasse, thanks a lot
[17:21] <Jordan_U> Eli-5dce: What specific problem would you like help solving?
[17:21] <Melio> MMan: i have never done offline updates
[17:21] <OerHeks> MMan, 16.04.2 ? that is not even out yet
[17:21] <Melio> MMan: it might be possible to pull the updates but not install them, look at the list of updates and archive them into a tar
[17:21] <Melio> then copy that
[17:22] <secretaire> now fighting with a printer install - printer is recent and seems unknown on lubuntu 16.04 - but it is known on ubutnu 14.04 ! thats why hplip might help
[17:22] <Melio> i'm just not sure how to do that without building a script or osmething
[17:22] <Jordan_U> yungBLUD: Usually if you get output like that it means that fsck just checked quickly that it wasn't dirty and then exited, which should take almost no time.
[17:22] <Eli-5dce> Jordan_U : No problem at the moment. When I'm on I'll ask or I'll be happy to help! :)
[17:23] <Jordan_U> Eli-5dce: OK. Please keep discussion in this channel to support questions and answers in the future.
[17:23] <MMan> i found this cmd line,, will it work without activating the unsupported updates ? >>apt-offline get --bundle /download/path/aptbundle.zip /path/to/apt.sig
[17:23] <Melio> Mman There are no offline upgrade options for Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server. Please ensure you have network connectivity to one of the official mirrors or to a locally accessible mirror and follow the instructions above.
[17:23] <Melio> so you would have to figure out a way or look for a way already addressed to do this
[17:23] <Eli-5dce> Jordan_U : Oh ok, I never really noticed that before. I will go now. Bye! (Sugar)
[17:24] <Melio> Mman : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
[17:24] <yungBLUD> Jordan_U: it's not really long but at least 20s which is just a bit annoying and seems to do it every boot. FYI I do have Win 10 on another partition if that could cause any issues?
[17:24] <Melio> I usually look at release notes for things like that to make sure it's possible or not
[17:24] <Archvile> folders starting with a dot are hidden, yes?
[17:24] <MMan> @Melio, thank you i will manually download them from closest mirror and do the trick!
[17:24] <Jordan_U> yungBLUD: Did it do it this boot?
[17:24] <yungBLUD> Jordan_U: yes
[17:25] <Melio> MMan, if you do. document the steps :)
[17:25] <Melio> MMan, those kinda of things are great to blog about so we can find them on google
[17:25] <Melio> and to help others
[17:25] <Melio> I remember dual booting was like a brand new thing no one knew how to do
[17:25] <ducasse> MMan: synaptic can also generate download scripts
[17:25] <Vacuum_> I have two problems. When I close laptop lid or go to sleep, I do not get any display or resume. when I plug the
[17:25] <Vacuum_>                  data cable of lcd in my laptop e5430 latitude, the lcd says 'going to sleep' and I do not get any display. I am using
[17:25] <Vacuum_>                  kubuntu 16.04.01. WHat can be wrong?
[17:26] <Melio> Vacuum_: sleep might not be compatiable with your kernel
[17:26] <Melio> Vacuum_: try disabling sleep in linux
[17:26] <yungBLUD> Jordan_U: When i had a look on google some people suggested looking at /etc/fstab and changing any 1s or 2s at the end to 0s which i also did but no change
[17:26] <Melio> which means you have option A) and Option B A) is shut down and power off, and B) is simply reboot
[17:26] <Melio> A )
[17:26] <Vacuum_> Melio: sleep is a good feature though. any solution? wht about external lcd?
[17:27] <MMan> Thanks for all informations, ( MM does not use dual booting for ages. MM will create a new boot system with images to mount and work )
[17:27] <Vacuum_> Melio:  C) hibernate
[17:27] <Melio> Vacuum_: until you find a solution, disable it - find a solution and if there is none. this is the solution.
[17:27] <Melio> Vacuum_: hybernation is sleep
[17:27] <Vacuum_> Melio:  hm what about external lcd?
[17:27] <ducasse> Vacuum_: i'm guessing you have an acpi problem that prevents resume, not sure about display.
[17:27] <Melio> Vacuum_: Vacuum_ if the sleep mode is disabled it'll boot and recover like a normal reboot or shutdown restart
[17:28] <Melio> Vacuum_: i always elimitate the function if it has issues like that
[17:28] <Vacuum_> ducasse:  Melio  ok.
[17:28] <Vacuum_> ducasse:  any solution?
[17:28] <Melio> Vacuum_: disable it. solution :)
[17:28] <Vacuum_> Melio:  hm
[17:29] <Melio> Vacuum_: then monitor forums that talk about this problem until someone suggests a tool or utility to fix it
[17:29] <Vacuum_> ducasse:  Melio  external lcd is something that we cannot live with
[17:29] <Melio> Vacuum_: no disable SLEEP first. to see if it fixes it
[17:29] <Vacuum_> Melio:  how to disable sleep?
[17:29] <MMan> So i was right when i was say few years ago that X system will be the future eh? Glad to see it live :)
[17:29] <Melio> Vacuum_: in the bios power saving
[17:29] <ducasse> Vacuum_: read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[17:29] <Vacuum_> Melio:  ok, sleep can be disabled from bios only?
[17:32] <WebDrake> Hello folks -- ran into a nasty issue with Ubuntu 16.04 as of this morning
[17:32] <irishman2020> looking for an article that breaks down the differences between windows cpu % calculation and linux cpu % calculation. anyone know of one?
[17:32] <WebDrake> I think related to unity updates installed last night (but probably only taking effect this morning when I restarted my computer)
[17:33] <WebDrake> Thought I'd raise it here before going to launchpad etc., just to confirm if anyone else has it or knows what's up
[17:33] <WebDrake> I'm running 16.04 on a Thinkpad T420 which I plug into a monitor, and I have a USB mouse/keyboard pair
[17:34] <Vacuum_> Melio:  ducasse  sleep disable did not helped the external lcd
[17:34] <WebDrake> As of this morning, when the USB mouse is turned on, it fails to interact with many shell elements (while being able to interact with elements of the focused window)
[17:34] <WebDrake> Doesn't matter whether I use mouse or touchpad -- but if I turn the USB mouse off, the touchpad works fine
[17:34] <ducasse> Vacuum_: is there a keyboard shortcut on your laptop to enable/disable external screen?
[17:35] <WebDrake> Anyone have any idea what's up?  As I say, would seem to be related in some way to the recent unity updates
[17:35] <Vacuum_> ducasse:  no I guess
[17:36] <xissburg> So I can't update git to 2.x
[17:36] <ducasse> Vacuum_: is there a function key with a screen icon?
[17:36] <MMan> It is a very strange thing that the ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-i386.iso file that i have installed on my usb stick to but and try ubuntu got 200+mb updates !
[17:36] <Melio> did you make it persistant?
[17:36] <xissburg> I tried this stuff but git --version still returns <IP_ADDRESS> http://askubuntu.com/questions/571549/git-1-7-9-5-upgrade-to-current-release-of-git-2-x-on-ubuntu-12-04
[17:36] <MMan> nope still in try mode
[17:36] <Melio> MMan: persistance I think is limited to a casper 4gig
[17:36] <kakuzuID> hello everybody
[17:36] <kakuzuID> 3
[17:36] <kakuzuID> 3
[17:36] <kakuzuID> 3
[17:36] <kakuzuID> 33
[17:36] <Melio> even if you have a 32gig. but i think you can make a partition
[17:36] <kakuzuID> 3
[17:36] <Melio> kak knock it off
[17:37] <Phryq> etcher isn't installing. I had it installed before, and just downloaded the update, and double-clicked the update as an "executable", now it opens, but does nothing except ask my password when I try to flash the USB
[17:37] <xissburg> sucks when people tell you something should work but it doesn't -___________-
[17:37] <Melio> ok this all works i need to get back to doing work, thanks for help everyone
[17:38] <ducasse> Phryq: what is etcher?
[17:38] <irishman2020> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/etcher-usb-image-burner-tool-linux-open-source
[17:38] <Phryq> it's a program for writing an OS onto a USB
[17:39] <irishman2020> I use unetbootin
[17:39] <irishman2020> Not sure why etcher is failing
[17:39] <irishman2020> try running it in terminal and see if there is any output
[17:39] <ducasse> Phryq: no idea, sorry. i just use dd.
[17:39] <xissburg> there's a git somewhere else. sudo apt-get remove git does not remove git
[17:39] <irishman2020> with "sudo etcher"
[17:40] <irishman2020> the last 5 messages were @phryq
[17:40] <nacc> xissburg: you can't install git 2.x with support (here) on 12.04
[17:41] <nacc> xissburg: using a ppa requires you to consult the ppa's owners for support
[17:41] <xissburg> ugh I should upgrade my VPS.. it's been a long time I didn't touch it
[17:41] <MMan> Terminal information : ( apt-offline get --bundle /download/path/aptbundle.zip /path/to/apt.sig The program 'apt-offline' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install apt-offline You will have to enable the component called 'universe' )
[17:41] <nacc> xissburg: you can look at what `which git` says as where the executable is coming from
[17:41] <xissburg>  /usr/local/bin/git
[17:41] <nacc> xissburg: looks like you compiled git from source
[17:42] <xissburg> lol I don't remember ever doing it ^^
[17:42] <Vacuum_> ducasse: http://s903.photobucket.com/user/wintersweet220/media/laptopkeyboard/NP019K-S.jpg.html
[17:42] <nacc> xissburg: hard to say otherwise where it came from, I guess it's possible a non-official package could have installed to /usr/local, but it shouldn't have
[17:43] <nacc> MMan: why is that surprising?
[17:44] <xissburg> hmhm
[17:44] <nacc> MMan: 16.04.1 was a specific release of Ubuntu, at a specific point in time, a few months ago now
[17:44] <ducasse> Vacuum_: try Fn + F5
[17:45] <Vacuum_> I did. no use ducasse
[17:45] <MMan> @nacc where do i read those so called special characteristics of this update ?
[17:45] <ducasse> Vacuum_: can you pastebin output of 'xrandr'?
[17:46] <OerHeks> mamaeu = akise = tavs namespammer ;-)
[17:46] <MMan> @nacc is by term specific release meant that should not be used by end users ?
[17:47] <nacc> MMan: @ is not necessary on irc, and means users don't get highlighted when you're addressing them
[17:47] <nacc> MMan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/16.04.1
[17:48] <olscumpy> how do you get an alias to be permanent? yesterday I did alias upall="sudo apt update && apt upgrade && apt autoremove && apt autoclean" , but the alias doesn't work today
[17:48] <MMan> Sorry for using that at symbol,, thanks for the link! was just suprised to see 16.04.1 to get 200mb+ updates!!!
[17:48] <nacc> MMan: no, it means that 16.04.1 corresponds to xenial on on 21/7/16 or so (http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.1/). So there oare of course updates since then
[17:49] <nacc> MMan: again, that's not surprising at all, 16.04.1 is several months old (if you used the release iso)
[17:49] <OerHeks> MMan, useless to update a live iso.
[17:50] <MMan> I am sorry i had no idea that ubuntu updates are working same as windows, every day some updates, now i know!
[17:50] <OerHeks> it will be gone when you reboot
[17:50] <nacc> MMan: if you used the daily iso http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xenial/daily-live/current/, you'd get closer to no updates on boot
[17:50] <MMan> That is very helpfull to know too, thanks once again :)
[17:50] <ducasse> olscumpy: add it to ~/.bash_aliases, which should be sourced by the default ~/.bashrc
[17:52] <olscumpy> cool, thanks. same text without the initial "alias" word?
[17:52] <Vacuum_> ducasse: Failed to get gamma.. Screen 0: minimum 1366 x 768, current 1366 x 768, maximum 1366 x 768
[17:52] <Vacuum_> default connected primary 1366x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm    1366x768      76.00*
[17:54] <ducasse> Vacuum_: what kind of gpu do you have?
[17:54] <Vacuum_> ducasse:  how to know?
[17:55] <Vacuum_> ducasse:  http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/latit/dell_latitude_e5430_spec_sheet.pdf
[17:55] <ducasse> Vacuum_: try 'lspci -k | nc termbin.com 9999' and post the link here.
[17:56] <pavlos> Vacuum_, sudo lshw -C display
[17:56] <Vacuum_> ducasse: http://termbin.com/mmq6
[17:58] <Vacuum_> pavlos: http://termbin.com/qzv2
[18:00] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  ducasse what seems to be wrong?
[18:01] <ducasse> Vacuum_: so, intel gpu. doesn't look like xrandr can see the external display port, not sure why...
[18:02] <ducasse> Vacuum_: have you tried Fn+F8?
[18:03] <xissburg> should I upgrade from 12.04 LTS directly to 16.04?
[18:04] <MonkeyDust> xissburg  i guess you'd have to go via 14.04
[18:04] <xissburg> hmm 2 upgrades
[18:04] <Vacuum_> ducasse:  yes. no use.
[18:04] <MonkeyDust> !ltsupgrade
[18:04] <ducasse> Vacuum_: ok, i've got no other ideas, sorry.
[18:05] <pavlos> Vacuum_, the specs of your laptop show intel graphics HD3000/4000 Have you install the drivers from intel?
[18:08] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  I am on kubuntu. What package do I need?
[18:09] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  ducasse  sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
[18:11] <ducasse> Vacuum_: should be installed by default.
[18:12] <ducasse> Vacuum_: i assume you have updated recently?
[18:12] <pavlos> Vacuum_, I suggest you go to the intel site and d/l the video drivers from there https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/80939/Graphics-Drivers
[18:14] <MMan_> bb all gtg it was nice chating... take care!
[18:14] <ducasse> pavlos, Vacuum_: i have _never_ heard of anyone having to do that, intel drivers ship with the system.
[18:15] <Vacuum_> ducasse:  updated
[18:15] <akik> the latest linux driver from intel is from 2011 ?
[18:15] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  they have linux drivers?
[18:16] <pavlos> Vacuum_, if you trave linto the intel site, there are drivers for hd3000 but I'm also checking "hd3000 kubuntu driver"
[18:17] <ducasse> Vacuum_: don't download anything, you should have the drivers you need. there are drivers for very new systems, but yours should be included.
[18:17] <Vacuum_> ducasse:  installed by default
[18:17] <Phryq> Oh, sorry. My kid called me away from the computer. sudo: etcher: command not found
[18:17] <Vacuum_> ducasse:  then what should be done?
[18:18] <MonkeyDust> Phryq  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[18:18] <Phryq> Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS \n \l
[18:18] <ducasse> Vacuum_: i don't know why it can't see the port, maybe someone else knows.
[18:18] <TrevorBradley> Hey folks, got a question.  When I log into my newer ubuntu servers, I get the "packages can be updated / updates are security updates" message.  My older servers don't have that message.  It's really handy and I'd like to enable it on the older servers.  Where is it generated and how do I enable it?
[18:19] <MonkeyDust> !find etcher
[18:19] <Phryq> bash: !find: event not found
[18:19] <Vacuum_> ducasse:  pavlos  I wonder why i do not see this http://www.linuxveda.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/kubuntu13-10-krunner-additional.jpg
[18:20] <Vacuum_> http://www.linuxveda.com/2014/12/06/things-installing-kubuntu-click-next/
[18:20] <k1l_> Phryq: what is etcher?
[18:20] <binia> hiya
[18:21] <Phryq> https://www.etcher.io/
[18:21] <k1l_> Phryq: for making live usbsticks there is usb-creator, unetbootin or dd(on temrinal)
[18:21] <irishman2020> @k1l_> its basically unetbootin, just another opensource tool
[18:21] <binia> javing problem with rsync between two ubuntu machines, one decated server and one vps, both on 16.04 server edition
[18:21] <pavlos> Vacuum_, your laptop does not have an Nvidia gpu so there are no addl drivers for your system
[18:21] <irishman2020> tried "locate etcher"?
[18:21] <Phryq> I was using USB creator and unetbootin before. They were always having various problems. Someone suggested Etcher and it always worked perfectly until I just downloaded the update
[18:22] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  ducasse  plasma keeps on closing by error.
[18:22] <binia> seems it just hangs after sending incremental file list
[18:22] <Phryq> ok, I have some large code output for locate etcher
[18:22] <tneo> hello under Ubuntu 16.04 with a geforce 5700 card I don't get a higher resolution then 1280*1024 while I expect to be able to handle 1650*1050 which driver do I need to install?
[18:22] <k1l_> Phryq: what os do you want to put on the usb?
[18:22] <pavlos> Vacuum_, I suggest you try other live distros and see if your display works. From there you an find which driver is used
[18:22] <Phryq> Arch Anywhere
[18:22] <irishman2020> @phryq might have to look through that and ignore things that are "fetcher" etc
[18:23] <k1l_> does arch make hybrid isos? then you can just use dd in terminal
[18:23] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  which distros?
[18:23] <Phryq> here's the "locate etcher" output. https://www.pastiebin.com/57dae71b97992
[18:24] <pavlos> Vacuum_, stock ubuntu 16.04 or ubuntu-mate 16.04 or latest Mint. All you want is to "try" those and see if your display is better
[18:24] <Phryq> I have the .appimage of Etcher in my downloads folder
[18:24] <k1l_> Phryq: etcher is not included in ubuntu and is not in the repos.
[18:24] <Phryq> I don't really know what an app image is; an install file?
[18:24] <irishman2020> @Phryq: yup, probably not installed then. may have failed install. try traversing to the folder the deb is in and dpkg -i [debfilename.deb]
[18:24] <k1l_> Phryq: so you need to download that and install that manually. please see their website and their readme
[18:25] <ducasse> irishman2020: you don't need @ in front of nick on irc
[18:25] <irishman2020> ducasse: sorry, bad habbit switching between slack and irc
[18:26] <irishman2020> phryq: sounds like you dont have the .deb
[18:26] <Phryq> It's not a .deb, it's a .appimage, last time I just executed it and it installed
[18:26] <Phryq> maybe I need tp uninstall it in the terminal and then reinstall it?
[18:26] <k1l_> Phryq: did you read the etcher website?
[18:26] <Phryq> How can I uninstall?
[18:26] <pavlos> Vacuum_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/166224/how-do-i-install-the-intel-graphics-driver-in-my-system
[18:27] <Phryq> ya, the website just says to make it executable and run.
[18:27] <k1l_> Phryq: so?
[18:28] <irishman2020> Phryq: its not installed from what I can tell. you'll have to retry and/or check with etcher
[18:28] <TrevorBradley> Also (and hopefully without stepping on too many toes by asking), has the ATI driver situation improved yet for Ubuntu?  I tried it in 16.04 but rolled back after getting lots of graphical glitches and am sticking on 15.10 for now.
[18:28] <k1l_> appimages are not going to be "installed"
[18:28] <irishman2020> Phryq: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2325069
[18:28] <irishman2020> Try that
[18:29] <k1l_> users who cant even follow such basic explanations shouldnt run stuff from the internet with sudo, imho. there are more than enough other programs that do work in the repos.
[18:30] <ducasse> pavlos, Vacuum_: "The Intel graphics driver is part of the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver package, which is installed on all Ubuntu systems by default." there are no extra drivers for hd3000.
[18:30] <Phryq> oh, I just tried running it in terminal and it works
[18:31] <irishman2020> it seems like .AppImage is like a .sh file, just a script to install it
[18:31] <Phryq> k1l_ I'm not worried about breaking my system, I can always format
[18:31] <\9> Phryq: what if you break your data?
[18:31] <k1l_> Phryq: appimages are about running it from terminal.
[18:31] <Phryq> I keep my data on a separate drive
[18:31] <Vacuum_> ducasse:  pavlos thanks. will try or change  laptop
[18:32] <pavlos> Vacuum_, np good luck
[18:37] <teknomega> hi all.. i have 2 issues with my laptop that are boggling me
[18:37] <teknomega> how do i get a bluetooth mouse to connect and work ?
[18:37] <teknomega> ubuntu 16.04
[18:37] <teknomega> it says its connected in the bluetooth manager application that comes with ubuntu 16.04... doesn't really do anything thought
[18:38] <tneo> under Ubuntu 16.04 with a geforce 5700 card I don't get a higher resolution then 1280*1024 while I expect to be able to handle 1650*1050 which driver do I need to install?
[18:39] <teknomega> tneo, install the nvidia-370 driver from PPA
[18:39] <teknomega> then use nvidea application to setup your monitors
[18:39] <tneo> teknomega, ok I'll try
[18:44] <chris8> hey room, last I read, unetbootin was the go-to for creating USB start disks, and I've had success with it. But I read it can't be used to create a 16.04 boot USB on a 14.04 system. Is this still the case?
[18:44] <nicomachus> chris8: just use the Startup Disk Creator that ships with ubuntu
[18:45] <chris8> nicomachus: I always got a chechsum error with Startup Disk Creator
[18:46] <cscf> chris8, are you sure the ISO is correct and the USB stick has no bad sectors?
[18:48] <Vacuum_> ducasse:  pavlos can we have usb based displays?
[18:48] <chris8> cscf: I S5sum (or whatever) the ISO; they were good. Startup Disk Creator always had a checksum error anyway. The same ISO download and the same USB worked fine with unetbootin. I just want to know if I should bother trying with a 16.04 ISO if it won't work on a 14.04 system
[18:49] <pavlos> Vacuum_, I dont think so (at least in laptops)
[18:51] <teknomega> soooo.. anyone know how to connect a bluetooth mouse in ubuntu 16.04 ?
[18:52] <SchrodingersScat> !bluetooth
[18:52] <koning> Hi, I have a problem with my macbook air 2015 (7.2) on ubuntu 16.04; the touchpad isn't working
[18:52] <teknomega> well i am using 16.04... those bluetoothsetup instructions seem a bit old
[18:52] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  the latest LTS is 14.04.4 LTS? not 14.04.1 LTS? What older version should I try?
[18:54] <DexterF> hi
[18:54] <DexterF> minimal.iso - simply dd to thumb drive?
[18:54] <SchrodingersScat> DexterF: sounds fine
[18:55] <pavlos> Vacuum_, try 14.04 LTS the very first 14.04
[18:56] <Surfer2010> where is being determind in apache2 if the site must be called with http:///abcdh.com/wiki or .... http://ccc.com/wiki?
[18:57] <Vacuum_> pavlos: ok. I wonder why going back would help if the 14.04.01 didnt
[18:57] <Vacuum_> pavlos: won't the latest help?
[18:58] <pavlos> Vacuum_, just for kicks, try Mint (live version) if you have time
[18:58] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  never used mint. Is it like debian? what link to download from?
[18:59] <pavlos> Vacuum_, linuxmint.com
[18:59] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  I am confused, isnt 14.04.04 latest? it says on site: Kubuntu 14.04.4 LTS
[18:59] <Vacuum_> The previous Long Term Support (LTS) version of the Kubuntu operating system.
[18:59] <Surfer2010> no apache2 channel?
[19:00] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  http://kubuntu.com/getkubuntu/
[19:00] <pavlos> 14.04.4 is better but for some reason your display does not play nice
[19:00] <SchrodingersScat> Surfer2010: it could be #httpd
[19:00] <makda7> hi, i got a problem with /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[19:00] <pavlos> so you might try other distros (debian based)
[19:00] <SchrodingersScat> !alis | Surfer2010 alis bot can also help you with this, keeps you from requesting the server list a bunch
[19:01]  * xissburg starts upgrading ubuntu
[19:02] <xissburg> it'll probably go wrong
[19:02] <pavlos> Vacuum_, I assume you tried 16.04.1 and it does not play well
[19:02] <sannin> pavlos, run lsusb | grep blue
[19:02] <pavlos> sannin, I'm helping Vacuum_
[19:03] <sannin> pavlos, probably need to compile your drive
[19:03] <xissburg> wow my linode downloads at 14MB/s
[19:03] <koning> Hey, how can I check logs about my touchpad? It isn't working anymore
[19:04] <sannin> Vacuum_, jaja,, sorry
[19:05] <drab> is anybody familair with "safely remove drive" and how that can be done from command line?
[19:05] <sannin> Vacuum_, run on the console lsusb | grep blue
[19:05] <drab> i;m trying to use udiskctl power-off, but it's unclear if that's really the same
[19:05] <drab> on top of that, I've noticed that after a power-off the disk actually comes back to life immediate, as if I just powered it up
[19:05] <pavlos> drab, eject <device>
[19:08] <Vacuum_> sannin:  pavlos ducasse 16.04 xanial solved all the problems. Live cd check
[19:08] <drab> pavlos: I tried, it does nothing
[19:08] <drab> don't see anything in dmesg or anything else, like I didn't call it
[19:08] <koning> Is it safe to install libinput on ubuntu 16.04?
[19:09] <drab> also udiskctl power-off seems to be doing its job: kernel: usb 9-2: USB disconnect, device number 10
[19:10] <drab> and I see the disk's light going off
[19:10] <drab> but then it immediately comes back on again. still, can see it blip
[19:10] <pavlos> drab, plug in the usb ; df will should /dev/sdb1 ; type sudo eject /dev/sdb ; df drive no longer there
[19:11] <teknomega> !bluetooth doesn't help
[19:11] <pavlos> drab, will show
[19:11] <Guest22061> hola amigos
[19:11] <teknomega> its for old version of bluetooth ... does anyone have any idea of how to pair a bluetooth mouse with 16.04 ?
[19:12] <Guest22061> how to change My user name?
[19:14] <pavlos> Vacuum_, glad 16.04 worked
[19:14] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  cant understand why. I am going to che ck the live cd that I used to install in the first place.
[19:15] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  as 16.04 is older version than what I had in the first place
[19:15] <pavlos> Vacuum_, maybe the old iso was corrupt
[19:15] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  I did a kubuntu built in data check (the option at start)
[19:16] <pavlos> Vacuum_, who knows ... linux is finicky at times :)
[19:16] <Vacuum_> pavlos:  there is one different i notice. the first place iso had to do no set option with f6. The grpahics were making issues. the older version 16.04 had no issues
[19:18] <pavlos> Vacuum_, you mean nomodeset parm in grub?
[19:18] <Vacuum_> yes
[19:20] <pavlos> so you bypassed the intel graphics ... and used the basic vesa driver
[19:21] <Vacuum_> pavlos: and that was a result in installed os with no intel graphics? I had to do it because the installation was not proceeding. a plack screen blinking on top left.
[19:25] <pavlos> Vacuum_, right, the install had issues identifying the graphics so nomodeset is the safe option. Now you need to figure out why ...
[19:30] <ccherrett> I am looking for the Alternate iso to install raid1
[19:30] <ccherrett> can someone point me in the right direction
[19:30] <ccherrett> I see alternative downloads
[19:30] <ccherrett> but not the alternate iso
[19:31] <meshuggah> what do you want ccherrett ?
[19:31] <meshuggah> oh
[19:31] <meshuggah> to install raid1
[19:31] <meshuggah> i dont know
[19:31] <ccherrett> to install raid1 on first install
[19:32] <ccherrett> you cannot do it with the standard iso
[19:32] <ccherrett> I have done this before but ubuntu changed thier layout and I am no longer seeing the link to the alternate iso
[19:32] <bazhang> !alternate
[19:33] <Seveas> ccherrett: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.1/ubuntu-16.04.1-server-amd64.iso
[19:34] <ccherrett> so I should use the server iso for now on?
[19:35] <Vacuum_> is kubuntu 16.04.04 latest? if so why the site says "previous version " on http://kubuntu.com/getkubuntu/
[19:36] <Jordan_U> ccherrett: http://askubuntu.com/questions/505446/how-to-install-ubuntu-14-04-with-raid-1-using-desktop-installer
[19:36] <dandels> Vacuum_, that page shows 14.04.04 and 16.04.1. No such thing as 16.04.04
[19:38] <oleg> Hi there
[19:39] <Vacuum_> dandels:  ah. I mesread. So do you also think my problem was nosetmode and kubuntu not using intel drivers?
[19:39] <Vacuum_> dandels:  sory. ignore my last message
[19:39] <malkauns_> what can i do about desktop lag in Unity with nvidia?
[19:39] <dandels> Vacuum_, yeah I haven't followed the conversation in this channel
[19:39] <malkauns_> like window focus takes 1 whole second sometimes
[19:39] <Vacuum_> k
[19:40] <oleg> exit
[19:40] <pavlos> oleg, type slash quit (/quit)
[19:51] <WLBI> hi
[19:51] <MonkeyDust> lo
[19:51] <WLBI> mid
[19:52] <Guest80925> WLBI: Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[19:53] <teknomega> w0ot got the mouse working with bluetooth
[19:53] <teknomega> what a pita
[19:53] <teknomega> soo.. how about palm check with synaptics
[19:53] <teknomega> it seems like every settings using synclient works when chaning like scrollig and things liek that but when i try to enable palmcheck and plammin and palmminz they do not
[19:53] <teknomega> nothing changes
[19:55] <lapion> hello as of today rfkill status is not restored upon startup in my syste,
[19:56] <Jordan_U> teknomega: If you switch to libinput it should work by default, but you may lose other preferences that you like.
[19:58] <teknomega> Jordan_U, like ?
[19:58] <guvn0r> hi everyone. is i am looking to find any file type on a system by a certain user, and now that i must use the find command. can someone point me in the right direction please
[19:58] <teknomega> Jordan_U, how do i switch to libinput btw ?
[20:00] <guvn0r> anyone?
[20:00] <alkisg> guvn0r: example? find the .odt files on /home/username?
[20:00] <guvn0r> yes, -
[20:01] <alkisg> find /home/username -iname '*.odt'
[20:01] <cclarke> Is there a specific IRC channel for ubuntu OpenStack installation issues or would this be the place?
[20:01] <guvn0r> lets say im looking for any *.doc by user natasha i want to find all such and > /home/ssadmin/found
[20:01] <guvn0r> let me have a try thanks alkisg
[20:02] <kakas4> hey
[20:02] <Jordan_U> teknomega: http://askubuntu.com/a/678122
[20:03] <aki> cclarke: maybe #ubuntu-server
[20:03] <cclarke> aki: thanks, I can check there
[20:05] <mad_dev> @arunpyasi
[20:05] <guvn0r> works perfectly thank you @Alkisg / recommend if i search *.* types of documentation / files for that user across the system?
[20:05] <mad_dev> @guv0r thanks
[20:05] <alkisg> guvn0r: man find, I think you'll see "find -uid xxx" or something like that
[20:06] <guvn0r> yes yes, you i right, i can simply search by -uid. tech moved stuff around, now i need to find it.
[20:09] <DexterF> apt search wastes an awful lot of screen space. how can I make it use 1 line per find as before?
[20:10] <testt> Need to get 55.3 MB of archives.
[20:10] <testt> After this operation, 170 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[20:10] <testt> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
[20:10] <testt> Abort.
[20:10] <testt> ?
[20:11] <SchrodingersScat> DexterF: maybe you want 'list' instead of search?
[20:11] <alkisg> testt: press enter
[20:11] <testt> i did
[20:11] <alkisg> testt: without "y"
[20:11] <alkisg> Plain enter
[20:11] <Surendil> testt, or just apt-get install package -y
[20:12] <testt> alkisg..thanks
[20:12] <alkisg> testt: btw, what's your locale?
[20:13] <DexterF> SchrodingersScat: apt list ^xfce* <- nothing
[20:13] <DexterF> SchrodingersScat: sans the ^ works
[20:14] <bencc1> I have 5 public IPs that I can ping to but ifconfig show only lo and enp0s3 with IP on LAN. how to see all IPs?
[20:14] <alkisg> ip list
[20:14] <Jordan_U> bencc1: Do you know what NAT (Network Adress Translation) is?
[20:15] <bencc1> Jordan_U: yes
[20:16] <rc1> how can i get colored terminal . like "ls"  folder in different color and  executable in different.
[20:16] <pavlos> ls --color=auto
[20:17] <rc1> pavlos:i want it permanent in each command even in vim
[20:17] <l1wulf85> Hello everyone, I am a fairly advanced user except with dual boot. I am building a gaming pc, I have 1 250gb drive that I want to split between windows and Ubuntu but I have another 4tb drive I want to store media for both on. Ie video,music,pictures and documents . Best way to acheive this?
[20:18] <Jordan_U> bencc1: OK. Presumably you have a router which is providing NAT. Does that router have 5 public IP addresses? What is your end goal?
[20:19] <bencc1> Jordan_U: I want to list the IPs. if I have 5 public IPs shouldn't I be able to see them all from the server?
[20:20] <pavlos> rc1, add alias ls='ls --color=auto' in ~/.bash_aliases
[20:20] <Jordan_U> bencc1: How have you determined that you have 5 public ip addresses?
[20:20] <pavlos> rc1, pop a terminal, the command should show colors
[20:20] <mrjk> salut
[20:20] <k1l_> l1wulf85: half the 250gb disk for windows, then the other half for /, /home and swap. 15GB for /, swap=ramsize, rest /home. 4TB ntfs mounted in ubuntu as /mnt/data or such in fstab.
[20:20] <pavlos> rc1, if vim is correctly installed, it will show colors
[20:20] <bencc1> Jordan_U: the dedicated server provider told me. and I verified with ping and ssh
[20:21] <k1l_> l1wulf85: make sure windows doesnt use that fake "fast reboot" option for that 4tb drive
[20:21] <pavlos> rc1, if terminal prefs are different, they override colors
[20:21] <rc1> pavlos: when i use gedit ~/ .bashrc  it shows empty file
[20:21] <SchrodingersScat> rc1: spaces count
[20:21] <l1wulf85> k11_ "fast reboot"?
[20:22] <rc1> without space too
[20:22] <k1l_> l1wulf85: its a setting in windows that lets ntfs partitions mounted to get a faster reboot. you can disable that so other OS can use that disks too
[20:22] <pavlos> rc1, a basic .bashrc is about 122 lines (there is no space after slash
[20:24] <rc1> i am using  gedit ~/.bashrc
[20:24] <l1wulf85> k11_ Okay now I know what you meant, blonde moment there. Is there anything special I have to do for the less inteligent os to share the 4tb with linux?
[20:24] <rc1> pavlos:i am using  gedit ~/.bashrc
[20:24] <rc1> i shows empty file.
[20:24] <k1l_> l1wulf85: no.
[20:24] <rc1> *It
[20:25] <l1wulf85> k11_ alright thanks.
[20:25] <pavlos> rc1, from your home dir (/home/rc1) you type gedit .bashrc and it's empty?
[20:27] <pavlos> rc1, you can find a basic .bashrc in /etc/skel/.bashrc
[20:28] <Guest90031> bonsoir
[20:28] <SchrodingersScat> !fr | Guest90031
[20:28] <rc1> pavlos: I found it in etc/skel/.bashrc
[20:29] <Guest90031> hello
[20:30] <pavlos> rc1, you can copy the bashrc from skel to your home dir, if you messed up your home bashrc
[20:31] <pavlos> rc1, if you do so, you need to change owner
[20:32] <rc1> pavlos: i copied  etc/skel/.bashrc  in home directory and try to uncomment force_color_prompt=yes
[20:33] <pavlos> make sure ownership is correct (it should be rc1.rc1 with perms 644
[20:34] <rc1> pavlos: I got the color in terminal . where can i find terminal themes ?? any specific recommendation
[20:34] <floown> hello
[20:34] <floown> http://pastebin.com/XZV4VnYS <-------------- my installation is uptodate ? I ask because I have packets "half-configured" http://pastebin.com/NPR74KZw
[20:34] <pavlos> rc1, sorry, not use color much
[20:35] <rc1> pavlos: in properties owner is me . is it okay?
[20:36] <pavlos> rc1, -rw-r--r-- 1 pavlos pavlos 3811 Apr  8 08:32 .bashrc
[20:36] <pavlos> rc1, replace pavlos with rc1
[20:37] <pavlos> rc1, you know how to do that
[20:37] <rc1> pavlos:Yes, now its work fine . Thank you Sir for your precious support . Goood night
[20:38] <pavlos> rc1, np
[20:42] <xissburg> updating ubuntu fucked my wordpress installation lol
[20:43] <Jordan_U> bencc1: Since you're behind NAT, there is no way for your server to know its public ip address other than sending a request to another server on the internet to ask "Hey, what ip address did I just connect to you with?". I don't know how the router your hosting provider has setup decides which ip address should be used for connections originating at your server.
[20:43] <Jordan_U> xissburg: Please watch your language in this channel.
[20:44] <bencc1> Jordan_U: makes sense. thanks
[20:45] <Jordan_U> bencc1: You're welcome.
[20:45] <julian> c
[20:48] <borei1> hi all
[20:48] <demetris> hi u
[20:48] <borei1> ive got some problem, looking for correct solution
[20:48] <borei1> i have several VMs on the host, VM are controlled by corosync/pacemaker
[20:49] <borei1> on the systemd level i disable libvirt-guests
[20:49] <borei1> but, it's still at level 6
[20:49] <borei1> so when im trying to shutdown host libvirt-guests trying to work from level 6
[20:50] <borei1> but my VM supposed to migrate
[20:50] <borei1> and if there is delay for some reason it will be killed
[20:51] <borei1> so, how properly completely remove libvirt-guests from all levels ?
[20:52] <borei1> remove that init file ?
[21:04] <BL4DE> Do animated mouse cursors consume more memory? I suppose it would add to the xorg process memory?
[21:06] <DexterF> BL4DE: well, technically yes.. but what odds are you up against that you need to worry about the mem usage of animated pointers?
[21:06] <DexterF> I had that on my Amiga 500, that had 1MB RAM...
[21:07] <BL4DE> DexterF: https://www.gnome-look.org/p/999859/ looks kinda fancy but idk if something this small could impact modern system?
[21:09] <malkauns_> what can i do about desktop lag in Unity with nvidia? window focus takes 1 whole second sometimes
[21:09] <BL4DE> malkauns_: I dropped nouveau drivers they were jerky with the animations in gnome-shell for me
[21:10] <BL4DE> malkauns_: try using proprietary nvidia drivers
[21:10] <DexterF> BL4DE: well, it's a gnome thing so I guess it has soem fancy libraries attached here, but I doubt it's more than in the KB range
[21:11] <DexterF> give it a try, I'd say
[21:11] <BL4DE> malkauns_: my nvidia config https://paste.gnome.org/pexkis5k0
[21:12] <BL4DE> DexterF: thanks
[21:14] <DexterF> um, in apt, how can I have aptitude /apt-get like status flags? like "i xfce4" <- "i"nstalled
[21:14] <backbox> hola
[21:15] <backbox> ping
[21:17] <malkauns_> BL4DE> and your experience is super smooth at all times?
[21:18] <BL4DE> Could you recommend a dark icon theme that doesn't contrast too much with dark GTK/Qt theme? I've yet to find anything nice on the eyes and useable?
[21:19] <Bashing-om> malkauns_: Ya got the ram installed to support the GUI needs ? 2 gigs or more ??
[21:19] <malkauns_> 16gb here on my macbook pro :)
[21:20] <Bashing-om> UHHHH ,, I am jealous . No problem to handle a GUI !
[21:22] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: What did you come up with for booting ?
[21:22] <Fudge> DexterF:  theye caled aliases
[21:22] <Fudge> called
[21:22] <DexterF> installed aptitude, all fine
[21:23] <Fudge> DexterF:  ok cool, this is our .bash_aliases file if you like http://paste.ubuntu.com/23183797/
[21:24] <DexterF> Fudge: no idea what you are trying to tell me :)
[21:25] <DexterF> what lightweight display manager lets me auto-login? xdm can't, and when I tried installing lightdm, it wanted to install half of gnome
[21:27] <AciD`> hey, I used debootstrap to create a xenial system
[21:27] <BL4DE> DexterF: noDM
[21:28] <xaviergmail> Are there any Windows malware removal packages ? I'm aware of Ubuntu MRT but I'd like to do it from within my existing Ubuntu installation if possible.
[21:28] <AciD`> I have rebooted and can log as root into it. now, I do not have any network. I copy pasted the defaut "auto lo iface lo inet loopback" in /etc/network/interfaces, but still no luck
[21:28] <AciD`> any idea what to do? install the network-manager package somehow?
[21:28] <lordcirth> xaviergmail, there is Clam-AV.  it finds malware, I don't know how good it is about removing it safely.
[21:29] <AciD`> also, the update-grub only recognize the debootstrapped system, not the other systems on the computer, how can I fix that?
[21:29] <lordcirth> AciD`, 'lo' is the loopback interface, that won't give you internet
[21:29] <OerHeks> xaviergmail, you might want to search for antivirus live iso's
[21:29] <lordcirth> There's Kaspersky Rescue Disk
[21:29] <DexterF> BL4DE: nice
[21:30] <xaviergmail> lordcirth: I'll have a look, thank you. I just need to figure out what's going on.. Dick IO light is constantly on and I hear my drive going crazy. Fearing it's some sort of horrible ransomware
[21:30] <AciD`> lordcirth > yes, but *ubuntu are supposed to generate the eth0 (or more specifically the new interface names) for you, how can I configure that?
[21:30] <xaviergmail> Jesus, Disk IO*
[21:30] <lordcirth> xaviergmail, install iotop and run 'sudo iotop'
[21:30] <lordcirth> That will tell you what's doing all this disk IO
[21:31] <serard_> Hello
[21:31] <xaviergmail> lordcirth: IO issues are on my windows install, not this :p
[21:31] <lordcirth> xaviergmail, oh right sorry
[21:31] <serard_> I have Lubuntu latest 16.04.1 fresh install with some tools (vagrant, vbox, node); sudo reboot works fine, but sudo halt hangs on.
[21:32] <DexterF> BL4DE: but how to tell it to start an xfce4 session? (just installed "server" flavour and xfce from apt, so no Xsession configured yet)
[21:32] <lordcirth> AciD`, auto eth0 ; iface eth0 inet dhcp
[21:32] <serard_> I have tried modifying "acpi=force", not working; "pci=noacpi" gave me no more screen,; any advice ?
[21:32] <serard_> maybe a bios misconfig with acpi ?
[21:32] <AciD`> I tried that, but it says eth0 does not exists when I ifup it
[21:32] <lordcirth> AciD`, but your interface might not be eth0, since we use different naming now.  Use 'ip addr' to see what it's called.
[21:33] <AciD`> lordcirth > ah yes, I see its name there
[21:33] <AciD`> still, I do not remember seeing this line being written in that interface file before, everything was 'automatic'
[21:34] <Bashing-om> serard_: Laptop ? which manufacturer ?
[21:35] <AciD`> at least I got the connectivity back, thank you for the hint lordcirth
[21:35] <serard_> Bashing-om, nop, a PC, custom-made, motherboard is ROG Rampage3 BE, I have PCI RevoDrive X2 and a nvidia 650GTi
[21:36] <serard_> Bashing-om,  and system is booting from a HDD on a SCSI (raid provided by motherboard)
[21:36] <allegro>  do i ausing vmware howdjust my screen size from default.Got all this wasted Spc
[21:37] <serard_> ok
[21:37] <serard_> not "sudo halt", but "sudo poweroff
[21:37] <serard_> working
[21:37] <serard_> sorry for interrupting ;)
[21:37] <serard_> **newbeeeeeee <3 good night guys
[21:42] <AciD`> dang, I rebooted my debootstrapped system after installing xorg, but now I arrived on the sddm greeter, and neither my mouse nor my usb keyboard seems to be recognized. I can ssh to the box. What can I do?
[21:44] <Jordan_U> AciD`: Are they recognised in a tty? Is ubuntu-minimal installed?
[21:45] <AciD`> Jordan_U > yes, ubuntu-minimal is installed
[21:45] <AciD`> I cannot check if the mouse and keyboard are recognized under a tty, since I cannot switch to it :/
[21:46] <Jordan_U> AciD`: OK, so ctrl+alt+F1 doesn't bring you to a tty? Does alt+sysrq+r create a message in dmesg?
[21:47] <AciD`> ctrl+alt+f1 does not do anything
[21:47] <BL4DE> AciD`: try sudo dhcpcd interface name
[21:48] <AciD`> BL4DE > thank you, I fixed my network problem (I think) with lordcirth hint, and I now have installed network-manager, which should do that automatically
[21:48] <BL4DE> ah nvm you got network
[21:48] <AciD`> Jordan_U > yes, it does write sysrq: SysRq : This sysrq operation is disabled. in syslog
[21:49] <AciD`> BL4DE > one thing at a time ;)
[21:49] <Jordan_U> AciD`: OK, so at some level the keyboard works at least.
[21:49] <AciD`> yep, perhaps that's a sddm prblem
[21:49] <BL4DE> AciD`: make sure you have full xorg-server package installed, xf86-input-libinput or  xf86-input-evdev for the mouse
[21:50] <AciD`> BL4DE > ah yes, I only installed xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu :x
[21:51] <AciD`> yes!
[21:52] <sachins> Hi, I am trying to install grub in legacy mode. But grub install seems to be installing only the EFI firmware config. What am I doing wrong?
[21:52] <AciD`> thank you BL4DE ;)
[21:52] <BL4DE> AciD`: glad to help
[21:53] <Jordan_U> sachins: Why are you trying to install grub for BIOS? Are you currently booted via UEFI? What grub-install command are you running and what is its complete output?
[21:53] <sachins> Jordan_U, Nope. I am booted in Legacy mode
[21:54] <sachins> Jordan_U, just this : Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration
[21:55] <sachins> Jordan_U, I did update-grub
[21:55] <Jordan_U> sachins: update-grub doesn't install grub, it updates the /boot/grub/grub.cfg and nothing else.
[21:56] <BL4DE> sachins: did you install OS itself in UEFI or Legacy bios?
[21:56] <Jordan_U> sachins: Use grub-install to install grub.
[21:56] <k1l_> !backbox | sachins
[21:56] <sachins> Jordan_U, My bad. I already did that. I was trying to add menu entries to it
[21:57] <BL4DE> sachins: # grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdx
[21:57] <BL4DE> # grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:58] <BL4DE> probably sda drive
[22:03] <BL4DE> DexterF: https://github.com/spanezz/nodm
[22:05] <MarcoPau> Hi, I find myself with a huge (in terms of memory usage) "Web Content" command under top. What is that supposed to be?
[22:05] <DexterF> BL4DE: botched somethign else up, got it working now, thanks anyway
[22:05] <k1l_> MarcoPau: what command is it?
[22:05] <k1l_> MarcoPau: maybe htop is bit more precise
[22:05] <MarcoPau> k1l_: that's what I am asking. It shows as "Web Content"
[22:06] <MarcoPau> k1l_: let me give it a try
[22:06] <k1l_> MarcoPau: that sounds like a plugin container from your browser
[22:08] <idoko> MarcoPau: Running firefox by any chance?
[22:09] <MarcoPau> k1l_: possibly. these browsers are RAM eaters. what the hell. I know it's my fault cause I use dozens of tabs but this is how it is nowadays with browsing and working with the web... :-/
[22:09] <MarcoPau> idoko: yep
[22:14] <BL4DE> I recommend uninstalling flash player cause sometime firefox defaults to using it instead of html5. besides chrome and firefox are dropping flashplayer soon
[22:18] <MarcoPau> BL4DE: will that have a good impact on the RAM usage?
[22:30] <bumblefuzz> how do I find out what package a specific file was installed with?
[22:33] <meshuggah> why is main ubuntu with unity?
[22:34] <OerHeks> Design.
[22:35] <BL4DE> MarcoPau: it should. flash is quite heavy. and it not really necesarry these days
[22:35] <stoopkid> does anybody know if mc (midnight commander) comes by default with ubuntu? or would i have had to install that at some point
[22:35] <k1l_> stoopkid: iirc mc is not installed by default
[22:36] <stoopkid> k1l_: thanks
[22:36] <k1l_> just looked at it, its not installed
[22:36] <stoopkid> cool, i guess i must've just forgot to write it down when i installed it
[22:37] <trudko> Hi everyone I want to updgrade pulse audio to version 9.0 because of bug they fixed there. I tried to add ppa http://pastebin.com/nSL2K4w7 but I got error pulseaudio is already the newest version (1:8.0-0ubuntu3)
[22:38] <theorem> does anyone know where passwords are stored in the firefox default install ?  I am trying to extract user/pass from an old drive.
[22:38] <k1l_> trudko: can you show a "apt-cache policy pulseaudio"?
[22:39] <stoopkid> hrm, in the line " curl http://beyondgrep.com/ack-2.14-single-file > ~/bin/ack && chmod 0755 !#:3 ", what does the "!#:3" mean?
[22:39] <trudko> k1l_: yes this is it http://pastebin.com/3EtHrtNY
[22:39] <k1l_> trudko: who said its verison 9 in that PPA? its only verison 9 for 16.10 in that ppa
[22:40] <trudko> k1l_: ou well nobody did I found this solution for older versions
[22:40] <k1l_> trudko: as you can see even ubuntu ships a newer version than that ppa
[22:40] <trudko> so what should I do then?
[22:40] <trudko> I guess remove the ppa first
[22:40] <trudko> its useless anyway
[22:40] <bumblefuzz> how do I search for an installed package using apt-get?
[22:40] <k1l_> trudko: yes
[22:41] <wigust> if i create a torrent file, do i need an open port in firewall?
[22:42] <trudko> k1l_: and how to upgrade it to 9.0 now?
[22:42] <k1l_> trudko: find another ppa?
[22:43] <AhToyMaker> hey the disk formatter on ubuntu is called?
[22:43] <AhToyMaker> and the image burner?
[22:43] <k1l_> AhToyMaker: gparted
[22:44] <k1l_> image burner is usb-creator
[22:45] <k1l_> trudko: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=pulseaudio
[22:50] <trudko> k1l_: thanks I've used one. If I needed the ppa just for that I can remove it now after I've upgrade pulse audio can't i?
[22:51] <k1l_> yes. but you wont get any updates for pulseaudio anymore
[22:51] <AhToyMaker> anyone know how to put linux on a cubieboard 5?
[22:51] <AhToyMaker> linux/ubuntu
[22:51] <trudko> k1l_: thats fine I am up to date anyway now
[22:51] <trudko> tthanks agian , take care
[22:52] <OerHeks> AhToyMaker, if that is ARM, ask in #ubuntu-arm
[22:53] <hepstars> i installed 16.10 64bit on a HP dv6731eo. After I login there is some quick diaogs showing that there is errors and then the screen goes black. Can someone help me resolve this?
[22:53] <OerHeks> hepstars, why 16.10 ?
[22:56] <hepstars> OerHeks/ Sorry it is 16.04. It is a while since I installed and just remembered wrong.
[22:56] <pavlos> AhToyMaker, cubieboard.org/download should have images but their database is down ...
[22:56] <OerHeks> oh oke, 16.10 is not released yet, alfa status
[22:57] <OerHeks> you have no idea what error?
[22:57] <hepstars> The login screen looks all good.
[22:58] <pavlos> AhToyMaker, http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard/Images_Ubuntu
[23:01] <hepstars> OerHeks/ I tried a reboot now but the error did not reappear
[23:02] <hepstars> Black screen but the mouse and pointer is all good.
[23:14] <hepstars> Now i remove --purge nvidia-*, and after reboot both login screen and bash is all blurred with black lines on every second row or so.
[23:22] <Bashing-om> hepstars: Does the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf exist ? If so move it out of the way .
[23:24] <hepstars> thanks i will try that. can i just delete it?
[23:25] <Bashing-om> hepstars: I would delete it . If needed one can re-create it on the new environment .
[23:26] <hepstars> i only find a xorg.conf.failsafe file
[23:26] <hepstars> in that folder
[23:27] <l33n> is it possible to use a ps4 controller as a wireless mouse for gnome
[23:28] <l33n> i tried using ds4drv but could not get it to work
[23:28] <hepstars> another problem in bash now is that all the black lines makes probably half the screen not visible. only seeing the top half
[23:29] <l33n> any pointers would be appreciated
[23:30] <Bashing-om> hepstars: Then should be good . Does ' sudo lshw -C display ' show a driver loaded ?
[23:32] <hepstars> nouveau
[23:32] <perfecto> /home/perfecto/Mixxx-Manual.pdf
[23:35] <Bashing-om> hepstars: If ya boot into the guest account are the graphics good ? Then we looking at a config issue in your account .
[23:36] <hepstars> no after i purged nvidia the login screen is also distorted
[23:37] <Bashing-om> hepstars: Have you rebooted for the nouveau driver to take effect ?
[23:37] <hepstars> even after i hit ctrl+alt+F1 to enter bash
[23:37] <hepstars> yes
[23:37] <hepstars> i restarted
[23:37] <hepstars> i can give it one more try
[23:38] <hepstars> aso the logo/load screen when i boot is distorted
[23:39] <hepstars> *also
[23:41] <Bashing-om> hepstars: That distortiuon at the login screen is even before the GUI driver is loaded . ya got deeper problems . What does the recovery console look like ?
[23:42] <hepstars> how do i enter recovery console?
[23:44] <tekkie> 'Ello
[23:45] <Bashing-om> hepstars: EFI system ?
[23:49] <hepstars> Grub looks fine. Entering advanced options looks distorted. Dont know about EFI. PhoenixBIOS with very few options
[23:55] <Bashing-om> hepstars: If advanced options are distorted, that is indicative that bios is not handing off to grub a proper video mode .
[23:56] <hepstars> but, when i installed nvidia driver loginscreen and bootloader looked just fine
[23:57] <hepstars> but when i then logged in screen turned black
[23:57] <hepstars> and bash also looks fine when using nvidia
[23:58] <Bashing-om> hepstars: Not at all knowkedgeable at that level . What results if ya re-install a nVidia driver ?
[23:58] <hepstars> trying to reinstall nvidia now
[23:59] <Bashing-om> hepstars: what card ? lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' in a pastebin . I match the correct driver to the card .
[23:59] <hepstars> one moment, in the middle of an rebbot


[07:49] <cpaelzer> can I have some opinions on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/1822370/comments/9
[07:49] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: as it is openssh your opinion would be expecially great to ahve
[07:50] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: did you look through Debian bugs?  it has certainly been reported there.
[07:50] <cjwatson> I consider this a VMware bug and if anyone is pushing for this we need to put pressure on VMware to fix it.
[07:50] <cpaelzer> not yet, I was collecting through vmware and fedora references so far
[07:51] <cpaelzer> I consider this a VMWare bug as well
[07:51] <cpaelzer> may question is if we should avoid putting it on our users due to the upcoming release
[07:51] <cjwatson> I don't want to revert this as that just takes the pressure off.
[07:51] <cjwatson> It's not an LTS after all
[07:51] <cpaelzer> ok, I'd be happy if you could state so in the bug
[07:52] <cpaelzer> I have a call today with VMWare anyway and can make sure this is really seen on their side
[07:52] <cjwatson> done
[07:52] <cpaelzer> thanks
[07:53] <cjwatson> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=923879 is a more persuasive reason to possibly revert
[07:53] <cjwatson> but I haven't had time to independently research that
[16:56] <bdmurray> seb128: Do you know if anything is happening with bug 1807900?
[17:01] <Laney> rbasak: you have ~ubuntu-developer-members available, FWIW (re: devel-permissions@)
[17:01] <Laney> (specifically your last paragraph)
[17:04] <rbasak> Laney: thanks! I was going to ask you for input, as a person who comes to mind who understands how it's all put together :)
[17:04] <Laney> It's the not-very-used DMB-as-a-membership-board procedure
[17:04] <rbasak> Laney: would ~ubuntu-dev be better to retain voting rights though?
[17:05] <rbasak> Assuming the DMB is happy to do that, which I suppose is a separate decision.
[17:05] <rbasak> As we don't have any documented emeritus process AFAICT.
[17:05] <Laney> I'm not sure that there's precedent for ~ubuntu-dev without any upload rights
[17:05] <Laney> So you'd be inventing a new thing there AFAIK
[17:05] <rbasak> I agree it'd be a new thing.
[17:05] <rbasak> Seems to be that we should have an emeritus process, or at least know what to do.
[17:06] <Laney> Makes sense
[17:06] <Laney> I think not retaining voting rights would be more usual (but haven't given it a whole lot of thought)
[17:06] <rbasak> It also seems to me that as leaving ~ubuntu-core-dev is effectively voluntary, but a good thing (on a security basis), it should be possible to do so without being forced to lose other rights, eg. voting.
[17:07] <Laney> Something like - if you're not participating in the community then you don't have as good a context or "skin in the game" relating to its governance
[17:07] <Laney> But it'd be more proper for you in the DMB to work that up and maybe ask the CC
[17:07] <rbasak> Yes, but then that needs to be enforced, rather than having the obvious workaround to be click a button every two years.
[17:10] <Laney> Not sure about "needs", but it would be valid to scope the problem wide enough to cover this
[17:18] <rbasak> Perhaps I can create an ~ubuntu-dev-emeritus team and leave it as a member of ~ubuntu-developer-members for now.
[17:19] <rbasak> Then we could decide where to move it later.
[18:05] <seb128> bdmurray, I don't know off hand, need to check with andyrock
[18:11] <seb128> bdmurray, he's going to look at it
[18:14] <bdmurray> seb128: okay, I wasn't sure if we should defer it to EE
[18:15] <seb128> bdmurray, it probably doesn't matter much for disco since livepatch doesn't exist on that serie
[18:26] <teward> seb128: bdmurray: we see questions occasionally on Ask Ubuntu about livepatch on the interim releases between LTSes
[18:27] <teward> so if we're going to 'fix' this I'd target EE for fixing it since users otherwise will get the wrong ideas about Livepatch service
[18:27] <teward> (just my two cents, sorry I just saw yuor messages in scrollback thought I'd give my thoughts)
[18:28] <bdmurray> teward: iirc it works but checking to see if you are running an LTS so its moot
[18:28] <teward> bdmurray: good point, but that's where the questions come in at :P  In either case I'd rather the system not even suggest it when Livepatch isn't an option in that release :P
[18:28] <teward> but you're not wrong.
[18:29] <teward> the only system I use livepatching on is this laptop but that's for reasons - sometimes I go a few weeks without applying kernel updates :P
[18:29] <bdmurray> teward: It shouldn't suggest it is my point.
[18:29] <teward> bdmurray: right, i agree with you
[18:29] <bdmurray> teward: I mean that it already shouldn't / that was fixed.
[18:32] <bdmurray> teward: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main/view/head:/UpdateManager/Dialogs.py#L151
[18:37] <teward> ah
[18:37] <teward> not sure why people were still using it then :P
[19:09] <seb128> teward, it should already not show on non LTS series, that bugfix is about not displaying the control on the LTS if the UI is not available which is a specific fix
[20:15] <infinity> bdmurray: My only nitpick on this apport is that if "whoopsie-preferences is needed to store preferences", that seems more like a Recommends than a Suggests?
[20:15] <infinity> bdmurray: Unless you don't view preferences as a meaningfully core functionality.
[20:32] <bdmurray> infinity: it'd end up pulling whoopsie-preferences into cloud-image then. although looking at the original MP it's only apport-gtk which makes the gdbus call - https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/apport/whoopsie-auto-ui/+merge/348479
[20:33] <infinity> bdmurray: So maybe it's apport-gtk that wants it as a recommends (or even depends)?
[20:34] <infinity> bdmurray: That said, nothing in whoopsie-preferences or its deps looks inappropriate for a CLI system, if the CLI apport had a way to save prefs.
[20:34] <infinity> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.30.0), libpolkit-gobject-1-0 (>= 0.99), libwhoopsie-preferences0 (= 20), libwhoopsie0 (>= 0.2.48)
[20:35] <bdmurray> infinity: The cli apport doesn't have a way to save preferences
[20:35] <infinity> bdmurray: Kay, so maybe this dep should move to -gtk and be upgraded to rec/dep (your call)
[20:36] <bdmurray> infinity: that sounds like a good idea
[20:41] <infinity> bdmurray: I can haz an upload that does that, then?  (And if it's a recommends, I assume you already had code that conditionally uses this, rather than crashes when it's not there?)
[20:42] <bdmurray> infinity: I'll upload for disco and it'll be a depends fwiw I'm fixing somebody else's bug here.
[20:43] <infinity> Of course. :)
[21:17] <bdmurray> coreycb: I feel like your comment is missing something in the url https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapache2-mod-auth-mellon/+bug/1820279/comments/3


[00:01] <seele> ahoneybun: in place of paying people to participate in my study, i am making donations to the kde e.v.
[00:01] <seele> ahoneybun: i will be doing more interviews tomorrow if you are interested in participating
[00:07] <Linusnewb> so one problem is fixed second prob is can't find the key for /var/cache/apt/archives/lock so ı can't use apt-get autoremove..
[00:13] <musca> Linusnewb: did you try sudo?
[00:21] <Linusnewb> musca yes
[00:24] <Linusnewb> auto remove must delete linux-headers-3.8.0-19 linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic linux-image-extra-3.8.0-19-generic
[00:35] <musca> Linusnewb: you can check status with: apt-mark showmanual linux-headers-3.8.0-19 linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic linux-image-extra-3.8.0-19-generic
[00:36] <musca> it will list those packages that are installed manually - they are not removable with autoremove
[00:38] <Linusnewb> why not I had installed via muon package manager before?
[00:39] <musca> Linusnewb: autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for other packages and are now no longer needed.
[00:40] <musca> citation from man apt-get that i am reading for you
[00:43] <Legits> I'm having issues with my initramfs.
[00:45] <Legits> I just installed Kubuntu over a LUKS-encrypted LVM partition on a GPT table.
[00:46] <Legits> I managed to reinstall lvm2 and cryptsetup from a live CD, but the system still doesn't know how to boot everything up.
[00:47] <musca> are you following a howto?
[00:48] <Legits> I used a guide to reinstall the two packages.
[00:48] <Legits> I didn't need a guide to set up LUKS or LVM or to install.
[00:49] <Legits> I just installed Arch on my main box using the same setup. Everything works fine on the Arch box, but Ubuntu's initramfs files are quite a bit different.
[00:51] <Legits> With Arch, you can add or remove hooks easily by just editing /etc/mkinitcpio.conf. I can't figure out how to do the same with Ubuntu. When I reinstalled lvm2, nothing appeared to change. When I reinstalled cryptsetup, I could get to the Kubuntu splash screen before it would drop down to an initramfs terminal.
[01:14] <Legits> I realized that I needed to indicate GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= in /etc/default/grub. It didn't fix the problem with initramfs. I'm not sure what else to do.
[01:37] <Linusnewb> hah I have found ps -e | grep -e apt -e adept | grep -v grep
[01:38] <Linusnewb> I have kill some processes and it worksand autoremove was aible to remove the extra packages :P
[04:55] <Shubuntu> hey guys does anyone here have problem connecting to facebook chat and watching youtube vids on firefox?
[04:57] <Aethysius> No; I use Chromium. I find it to be faster.
[04:57] <Shubuntu> you mean chrome?
[04:58] <Shubuntu> oh chromium-browser
[04:58] <Shubuntu> ok i'll check that out
[04:59] <fractaline> Shubuntu, it's good
[05:00] <Aethysius> Yeah, it's p good.
[05:01] <fractaline> i find it best for most things
[05:03] <Shubuntu> ok so it's not the browser's fault aparently
[05:03] <Shubuntu> i still cannot connect
[05:03] <Shubuntu> could it be iptables?
[05:03] <Shubuntu> or is it flash?
[05:12] <Shubuntu> heh, it was flash's fault
[05:12] <Shubuntu> removed flash, installed gnash and it's working just fine
[05:13] <Shubuntu> well youtube is
[05:13] <fractaline> interesting
[05:13] <Shubuntu> facebook still disconnects after a few seconds
[07:38] <bada> 老子爽死了
[10:08] <michael__> just testing the chat
[10:16] <yossarianuk> I really hope the latest kernel updates have fixed kubuntu 13.04
[10:16] <yossarianuk> its tje most buggy OS I have ever used.
[10:17] <yossarianuk> Computer was only booting up/shutting down 50% of the timer
[10:17] <yossarianuk> *time*
[10:17] <yossarianuk> archlinux was far far more stable and that's rolling release.
[10:17] <yossarianuk> its not just 1 machine either - several.
[11:26] <michael__> i have never tried arch - i hear it takes some time to set up but is very stable when ready
[11:27] <yossarianuk> the point is trhe kubuntu 'should' be more stable
[11:27] <yossarianuk> 13.04 hasn;t been so far
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:33] <fractaline> hey BluesKaj ,  still pondering a clean install of 13.04 64bit.   i can't tell how much ubuntu i have leftover that i don't need/want
[11:34] <fractaline> i did remove ubuntu desktop but i still seem to have a bunch of gtk stuff that doesn't seem needed
[11:43] <seele> anyone have about 30 minutes for an interview about your kde notifications? it will earn a $5 donation to the kde e.v. for your participation.
[11:46] <BluesKaj> fractaline, there is going to be some gtk libs needed for certain apps , but the pure kde command at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekubuntu , should be written for 13.04 soon.
[11:51] <fractaline> yeah, i don't mind the gtk stuff it's just that i'm not sure what is leftovers and what is part of kubuntu
[11:53] <michael__> im not sure if i use kde notifications
[11:53] <michael__> do you mean when it tells you you have updates, or an app crashed
[11:54] <BluesKaj> fractaline, once that purekde command is available , you can run it , but don't be concerned about a few gtk libs as long as kubuntu is running well
[11:55] <BluesKaj> they're stlll part of the same ubuntu core/kernel
[11:55] <fractaline> i'm not ...  not really having any issues.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> good
[11:56] <seele> michael__: i mean any of the notifications that popup, chat from friends, new updates, download completes, etc.
[11:56] <michael__> aaah yes - im familiar with them - although i dont use all of kdes integrated apps
[11:57] <michael__> like i use firefox instead of reconq
[11:57] <michael__> deluge instead of ktorrent
[11:57] <michael__> etc etc
[11:57] <seele> that's ok.. i'm sure you still get some notifications
[11:57] <seele> if you have 30 minutes, i will donate $5 to the kde e.v. for your participation
[11:57] <fractaline> one thing though...   in cairo dock the shortcuts applet does not work.  it says "failed to mount "  for all the locations
[11:58] <fractaline> i can't seem to get it to use dolphin or any other file browser
[11:59] <fractaline> kinda off topic...
[11:59] <michael__> yes okay - what do you want me to do?
[12:00] <seele> michael__: see private message
[12:06] <BluesKaj> fractaline, did you install cairo dock after you installed kubuntu-desktop?
[12:06] <fractaline> i did reinstall but didn't seem to help
[12:07] <fractaline> maybe remove then install?
[12:08] <fractaline> or purge?
[12:08] <fractaline> still getting to konw cli
[12:10] <BluesKaj> when installing , check suggested packages in the terminal text , sometimes they're helpful , sabe having to look in muon for related packages that might make a difference
[12:11] <BluesKaj> sabe=saves
[12:13] <fractaline> BluesKaj, another thing i've noticed is some widget/panel misbehavior, e.g. autohide not working , widgets not resizing/ moving properly...
[12:13] <fractaline> little stuff
[12:13] <BluesKaj> it's beyond my experience ...haven't used cairo dock in yrs
[12:17] <fractaline> BluesKaj, the truth is i was expecting cairo to act up ...
[12:17] <fractaline> lol
[12:18] <BluesKaj> the plasma panel provides all the launchers, taskbar ,trays etc that i need
[12:19] <fractaline> it's great... super custom!
[12:20] <fractaline> although the misbehavior i mentioned before was with the plasma setup
[12:20] <fractaline> i don't mind ,  just obsevations...
[12:21] <fractaline> observations
[12:21] <BluesKaj> hmm, odd because I'm testing 13.10 atm ,and the panel is very stable
[12:22] <BluesKaj> so far
[12:22] <fractaline> is that available?
[12:22] <fractaline> beta?
[12:23] <BluesKaj> not even alpha yet afaik , I just update/upgrade/dist-upgrade everyday ...haven't looked at the release schedule in a while
[12:23] <fractaline> i'm about to install 13.04 on my wife's pc.
[12:24] <fractaline> wow, ok .   everyday huh?
[12:24] <fractaline> cool
[12:27] <BluesKaj> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[12:28] <BluesKaj> wife plays games not available on linux , otherwise I could probly talk her into kubuntu due to it's security
[12:29] <BluesKaj> but WE7 is the best MS OS so far and it seems to be pretty stable , like XP was/is
[12:30] <BluesKaj> W7
[12:30] <fractaline> yeah we put w8 on and it is a joke
[12:31] <fractaline> 7 was at least stable
[12:31] <fractaline> but yuck
[12:32] <BluesKaj> I have W7 on a separate HDD on this pc , with some KDE apps so I can run konversation etc .. gotta keep up with the 90% :)
[12:34] <BluesKaj> well at least I have vpn working on windows ...seems like steep learning curve on linux
[12:35] <fractaline> i know nothing about networks/networking
[12:39] <BluesKaj> in some ways it's very configurable , but the remote tunneling like vpn etc can get real confuding real fast with all the different protocols that have absolutely not understandable manuals available ...like I said yesterday the mans availabele in the terminal are written by geeks who describe a pencil as awriting tool for ppl without computers.
[12:41] <BluesKaj> confudidlng...a new word :)
[12:56] <fractaline> :D
[12:59] <BluesKaj> fractaline, I have a stable 13.04 partition in case this OS crashes and becomes unusable
[13:01] <fractaline> nice
[13:01] <BluesKaj> forgot to mention that ...testing an OS requires a fallback OS
[13:02] <fractaline> i have a partition that has mint 13 atm as well as one for winblows.  i was thinking of dedicating the mint one to /home...
[13:03] <fractaline> i keep a bootable usb of some description around ... just  in case
[13:04] <fractaline> it's about 70gig
[13:05] <BluesKaj> mint is a nice stable OS for those who need stability and it works well
[13:06] <BluesKaj> having a /home partition has it's advantages
[13:07] <fractaline> it was pretty good.   i had a heap of issues with mint that i later attributed to compiz and or cairo.
[13:08] <fractaline> i should boot into it again...
[13:08] <BluesKaj> reinstalling an OS to / speeds up the installation a lot when you already have a /home already setup
[13:08] <fractaline> i have 3 kids and not always much time to play with os's
[13:09]  * BluesKaj is repeating himself again ...another sign of ageing :P
[13:09] <fractaline> but i do like  to tinker
[13:09] <fractaline> learning heaps from all this
[13:10] <BluesKaj> my kids are grown and gone ..we're empty nesters, and retired
[13:10]  * fractaline is jealous
[13:10] <fractaline> kidding,  i love my kid time
[13:11] <fractaline> our youngest is 5,  we have a ways to go  :)
[13:20] <BluesKaj> fractaline, a couple of commands that you may want to run periodaically after update/upgradeand dist-upgrade is sudo apt-get autoremove and autoclean , that keeps your OS and system from bloating up
[13:24] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta do some checking , bbl
[14:01]  * Teloriun tests.
[14:06] <snikker> i'm trying to install kubuntu 13.04 (uefi mode) but the installer crash at grub-install.... can you help meplease?
[15:29] <ct529> hi everybody anyone there?
[15:32] <ct529> libreoffice segfaults every time you try to save a document on 13.04 at 64 bit
[15:50] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:56] <ct529> lordievader: good afternoon
[15:57] <lordievader> Hey ct529, how are you?
[15:57] <ct529> testing the new 13.04 ....
[15:57] <silv3r_m00n> when i start my system everyday, the programs that were left open last day open back, is this called hibernation ?
[15:57] <ct529> and you ?
[15:59] <lordievader> silv3r_m00n: It is probably 'session restore', see System Settings -> Startup and Shutdown -> Session Management
[15:59] <lordievader> ct529: I'm doing good :)
[15:59] <lordievader> Testing 13.10 ;)
[15:59] <silv3r_m00n> lordievader: then what is hibernation ?
[15:59] <Legits> Silver, either you're going into hibernation mode (as opposed to shutting down), or you need to change your session settings.
[16:00] <lordievader> silv3r_m00n: Hibernation saves the state of the pc to disk, and reload that state on restore.
[16:00] <silv3r_m00n> means its more than session restore
[16:00] <Legits> Go to System Settings > Startup and Shutdown > Session Management.
[16:01] <Legits> Make sure you have the option to start with an empty session selected.
[16:01] <silv3r_m00n> no no, its good to get back all apps without effort
[16:01] <silv3r_m00n> i saw it, restore session is checked atm
[16:02] <Legits> I like the middle option. You can choose whether or not you want it to restore your previous session. You have to remember to save it before you log out though.
[16:02] <Legits> Or you can just select the new session option at login.
[16:03] <lordievader> silv3r_m00n: Yes hibernation is more that session restore. Session restore simply opens the programs that were open when you powered down the machine. Restore from hibernate restores the entire session.
[16:03] <silv3r_m00n> i selected restore previous session
[16:03] <silv3r_m00n> cant see the hibernate option in kde
[16:03] <Legits> Then if you ever want a new session without changing that setting, there should be an option on the login screen.
[16:04] <silv3r_m00n> hmm
[16:04] <Legits> I don't know about hibernation. I never use it. There might be a keyboard shortcut.
[16:06] <lordievader> For hibernation to work you need a swap partition.
[16:06] <ct529> lordievader: 13:10 already?
[16:07] <lordievader> ct529: :)
[16:10] <Legits> I'm still having issues with my initramfs. Anyone know about that?
[16:11] <lordievader> Legits: What kind of error are you seeing?
[16:11] <Legits> Well, I just installed over a LUKS/LVM/GPT.
[16:12] <Legits> I can't boot up at all. I get to right before the login screen, and then it gives up.
[16:12] <lordievader> Legits: If you can get to X I don't think it is initramfs, more something like init.
[16:12] <Legits> I went back into the live CD and reinstalled lvm2 and cryptsetup onto the LVM partition. update-initramfs doesn't do anything.
[16:13] <Legits> You can see the exact message I get here: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?62859-Broken-initramfs
[16:14] <lordievader> Legits: I'm sorry I don't know enough about LVM to help you :(
[16:16] <Legits> I just installed Arch over the same setup, and I had to add the hooks "lvm" and "encrypt" to initramfs in order to get it to boot the encrypted partition.
[16:16] <Legits> I can't figure out how to do the same thing in K/ubuntu.
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: why do you need swap for hibernation?
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> oh...
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> dumb question
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> :))
[16:46] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: That is where he stores the state.
[16:47] <ovidiu-florin> I've realised that after I've asked
[16:47] <lordievader> Hehe ;)
[16:48] <ovidiu-florin> how are you lordievader
[16:48] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[16:48] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Doing good, how about yourself?
[16:48] <skreech_> lordievader: do you need more swap than you have RAM? or would it compress it?
[16:49] <lordievader> skreech_: Usually 1.5 x ram is recommended. However I don't know where that figure came from.
[16:51] <ovidiu-florin> eh, fine, at work again. Presented an android <-> PHP project today at school :D
[16:51] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: You haven't had any freezes lately?
[16:51] <ovidiu-florin> it was incomplete, so I didn't get a very good grade
[16:52] <ovidiu-florin> not since I've reinstalled and used only noveau
[16:52] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Ok nice, good to hear. Too bad about the project though :(
[16:53] <lordievader> Gotta eat, be back in a bit.
[16:58] <skreech_> lordievader: Man that must suck when you have 32 GB of RAM
[17:38] <lordievader> skreech_: No real need for swap if you have 32 GB of ram, unless you really need to hibernate.
[17:50] <yofel> lordievader: for hibernate you usually only need as much swap as much RAM is currently in use, and there was at least one swap implementation that supported compression.
[17:51] <yofel> as for the 1.5x, that's from the days when you always had something in swap. Today it really depends on the system (my notebook has 8G RAM and 2G swap, my server has 4G RAM and 24G swap)
[17:52] <yofel> skreech_: ^
[17:53] <skreech_> yofel: What's the server run?
[17:54] <yofel> skreech_: what's it doing? Many things, the swap is mostly to catch run-away processes during package builds as it serves as a buildd and to allow for over-provisioned tmpfs mounts.
[18:01] <skreech_> yofel: whats your peak usage
[18:06] <yofel> skreech_: ~18G. Average is ~2G
[18:07] <skreech_> yeah thinking of upping my swap to 8G
[18:08] <yofel> it was originally 12G which is the size of the swap partition. I added a 12G swapfile later
[18:10] <BluesKaj> i haven't seen my 5G swap in use yet
[18:11] <yofel> as I said, it depends on the use case. Also, if you don't have a SSD but a fast CPU, zram-config might be worth a try too
[18:24] <skreech_> yofel: didn't want to make a partition for the other swapfile?
[18:24] <yofel> I had no unpartitioned space left
[19:12] <butta> Guys
[19:12] <butta> I can't tick the wireless
[19:12] <butta> anyone knows something?
[19:15] <lordievader> butta: Run "sudo rfkill list" and see if something is blocked.
[19:16] <butta> I'm going to reboot, thank you lordievader
[19:41] <Senjai>  fcuhow do i "Check for updates"
[19:41] <Senjai> how*
[19:42] <lordievader> Senjai: Do you want the GUI-way or the CLI-way?
[19:53] <Senjai> lordievader: either
[19:54] <Senjai> like to update the distro itself..
[19:54] <lordievader> Senjai: You mean from 12.10 to 13.04 or something?
[19:56] <Senjai> lordievader: 12.04 to 13.04, yeah
[19:56] <Senjai> last time I tried it said it failed.
[19:57] <lordievader> Senjai: I think you first need to go to 12.10 if you want to go to 13.04. But anyhow I only know the cli-way for that.
[19:57] <lordievader> Open a terminal and run, "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[19:59] <Senjai> lordievader: just a caution, I heard 13.04 had issues with wireless adapters
[20:00] <lordievader> Senjai: I haven't had any issues yet with 13.04 + wireless.
[20:00] <Jonathan_> can any one tell me how to chang mod on a file in the konsole
[20:00] <Senjai> lordievader:  alright, its running now
[20:00] <Senjai> lordievader: Cheers :)
[20:01] <lordievader> Senjai: Might be that you have to upgrade to 13.04 in two steps, like I said. So don't be surprised to be running 12.10 when it's finished ;)
[20:01] <Senjai> I wont be
[20:01] <Senjai> Shouldnt have any issues with backwards compatability with my applications right?
[20:01] <Senjai> This is the first time i've been upgrading rather than installing fresh
[20:01] <Jonathan_> does any one know the command to change mod a file in the terminal konsole
[20:02] <lordievader> Senjai: You shouldn't have any troubles.
[20:02] <Senjai> 1.6 gigs
[20:02] <Senjai> should be the major version
[20:02] <lordievader> Jonathan_: What do you mean with mod a file?
[20:04] <Jonathan_> yes changing permissions on a file
[20:04] <Jonathan_> in the terminal
[20:05] <lordievader> Jonathan_: Ah, chmod. To read how to use it "man chmod"
[20:06] <Jonathan_> ok thanks
[20:15] <gilles_> bonsoir
[20:16] <lordievader> gilles_: Hello
[20:16] <lordievader> !france
[20:30] <delilah> Hello. I am wondering if it is possible to have too many repositories enabled in software sources; It seems that updates may have broken my system.
[20:31] <delilah> I am afraid I cannot be very specific about what kinds of problems I have encountered; they vary between startups.
[22:26] <Senjai> How do I change my screen resolution? After the update I feel like I can't find the app to do it
[23:39] <monkeyjuice> Senjai: click kickoff , type screen in search box, pick size and orientation
[23:39] <Senjai>  monkeyjuice its not there
[23:39] <monkeyjuice> hmmm
[23:47] <rednekrage> wow, that's a lot of peops
[23:48] <rednekrage> question regarding steam and kubuntu
[23:51] <rednekrage> Muon doesn't recognize the .deb package for Steam


[01:19] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[08:21] <ducasse> good morning
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> added bug #1892521 to the discuss bug team, 2 users reported top bar/GDM/UI disforming after recent updates


[00:14] <maik_> o sound on my raspi 3 b running with Ubuntu Mate. need help
[00:15] <maik_> i have no sound
[01:08] <mate|81273> hi
[03:52] <ubuntu-mate> trying to decide between i386 or amd64 version of ubuntu mate 16.04 for my acer aspire 1410.  It's 64-bit, only has 2 BiB of ram.  Which should I use?
[04:47] <ubuntu-mate> any advice?
[04:48] <Astro7467> I have a few thoughts;
[04:49] <Astro7467> anecdotal  evidence of the impact of 32-bit vs 64-bit on RAM is that it is minimumal
[04:50] <Astro7467> 32-bit is starting to become the exception rather than the norm for distro support (eg. Debian, Ubuntu & Arch hv all announce plans to drop 32-bit x86)
[04:51] <Astro7467> Unless you are after the absolute best performance, and setting the machine up in a fixed state, 32-bit seems a short term bet
[04:51] <Astro7467> and... they are gone
[06:07] <alkisg> (06:50:13 πμ) Astro7467: 32-bit is starting to become the exception rather than the norm for distro support (eg. Debian, Ubuntu & Arch hv all announce plans to drop 32-bit x86) ==> link? I can't find any debian announcement that it's dropping 686...
[06:08] <alkisg> I found this one, for 586, which is a different story though: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg00001.html
[06:11] <Astro7467> alkisg: fair summary of the situation - LTS versions (eg Jessie & 16.04) will continue to support 32-bit until-end-of-life - but looks like beyond that, no active dev/support
[06:12] <alkisg> Astro7467: stretch and 18.04 will support i386
[06:12] <alkisg> Where did you see the opposite?
[06:15] <Astro7467> Hmm. maybe my brain is getting fired - I I just did a search and cannot find explicit statement of dropping 32-bit - looks like I was to sure and shld have qualified my statement
[06:16] <alkisg> Astro7467: np, thanks for checking, it would affect thousands of installations here
[06:16] <Astro7467> Apologies for any heart-attacks induced O_o
[06:16] <alkisg> Haha
[09:40] <juce> Buen dia..
[09:41] <alkisg> Καλημέρα
[09:44] <juce> spanish only
[09:44] <juce> sorry
[09:50] <alkisg> !es
[09:50] <alkisg> !en
[09:50] <alkisg> Meh the bot sleeps :)
[09:50] <alkisg> This channel is english only, try #ubuntu-es for spanish
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[15:55] <vlt> Hello. I'm connecting to an Ubuntu 16.04 MATE machine via xrdp. There are some problems with the windows and decorations. 1) I can't use Alt+Tab for more than one othe window. 2) The mouse pointer never changes: no hand or resize arrows. Any idea what might be the problem here?
[15:56] <alkisg> xrdp isn't very well maintained :)
[15:56] <alkisg> x2go is better... :D
[15:57] <alkisg> vlt, why xrdp instead of the other solutions, like x2go, remote x/ltsp etc?
[16:02] <alkisg> Anyway, open an issue on the github xrdp page, they might be able to fix a couple of bugs...
[16:03] <alkisg> https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xrdp/issues
[16:19] <mate|91895> hello everyone!
[16:19] <mate|91895> i need some instructions, please
[16:19] <mate|91895> I am trying to install Mate over a Mate that is already installed
[16:20] <mate|91895> but the button "Install" stays offline (not available for clicking)
[16:20] <mate|91895> anyone would know what can be made to solve this situation, please?
[16:21] <Astro7467> are you installing a deb via gdebi?
[16:22] <mate|91895> no. im installing via USB (made from the Mate ISO)
[16:22] <mate|91895> just to be clear.... I want to resinstalar the Mate OS again (over a Mate that is already installed)
[16:22] <mate|91895> reinstall*
[16:23] <Astro7467> Thx, was about to ask for that clarification
[16:23] <mate|91895> yeah. do u have any clue?
[16:25] <Astro7467> I'm not at a system, so can't boot a usb to look.
[16:25] <mate|91895> alright. thank you.
[16:25] <mate|91895> anyone else, plase?
[16:25] <Astro7467> so you boot, get to live desktop then launch the installer?
[16:34] <mate|91895> yes
[16:34] <mate|91895> thats right
[16:36] <Astro7467> if you go into gparted, can you see the existing hdd/sdd partitions?
[16:36] <mate|91895> i chose the language, than my wifi network the next step i get a screen that ask me if i want to install Mate, but button "start" (or "continue", i cant remember) is not available
[16:36] <mate|91895> yes. there is 1 partition
[16:38] <Astro7467> which version is installed? what version are you installing (live booted into)?
[16:40] <Astro7467> I ask, unless you manually cfg partitions or installed 17.04 alpha, I would expect 2 or more partitions
[16:41] <alkisg> mate|91895: from the menu, check "try ubuntu" instead of "install ubuntu", so that you are in the live session and in irc in the same time
[16:41] <alkisg> At that point, come again for instructions
[16:44] <mate|91895> cool. im gonna do that. wait a minute, please
[16:46] <mate|91895> actually im trying to install regular Ubuntu over than go back to Mate (regular ubuntu is arealdy being installed)
[16:49] <alkisg> It's no different
[16:51] <pon_usb> あ
[16:54] <alkisg> ?
[16:55] <mate|91895> @alkisg what you mean is no different?
[16:59] <alkisg> mate|91895: the installation process is the same whatever desktop environment you select
[17:26] <mate|91895> not worked
[17:27] <mate|91895> ive installed ubuntu then im trying to install mate over and is not working the button
[17:28] <mate|91895> here are the steps: i choose the language, then clickec "Continue". Then i selected "download updates while installting Ubuntu MATE" and "install thrid-party software for graphics and wi-fi hardaware, flash, mp3 and other media"
[17:28] <mate|91895> then i clicked "Continue"
[17:29] <alkisg> Upload a screenshot
[17:29] <alkisg> !paste
[17:29] <alkisg> !screenshots
[21:00] <mate|14565> hello
[21:00] <alkisg> Hello
[21:02] <mate|14565> You can use ubuntu mate as a server solution
[21:03] <mate|14565> hello
[21:04] <alkisg> Yes you can
[21:04] <mate|14565> thanks
[21:04] <mate|14565> the info
[21:36] <vlt> alkisg: We have been running LTSP for more than a decade now. After recent firefox developments (dropping remote X support) we have so poor performance that we had to move to something else. x2go wasn’t as fast as xrdp.
[21:36] <vlt> alkisg: We still use LTSP to boot up the clients that run xfreerdp on SCREEN_07 ;-)
[21:38] <vlt> I’m pretty sure the Alt+Tab problem is not xrdp related. It happens also in “pure” Xvnc sessions.
[21:58] <ubuntu-mate> Hi friends! :)