[20:46] <i3ooi3oo> afeijo:  hold one sec ok
[20:46] <afeijo> sure, thanks :)
[20:46] <genii> mandingoceo: If it borks your box, don't come here for support!
[20:47] <mandingoceo> no problem
[20:48] <i3ooi3oo> mount -t cifs //COMPUTER_NAME/Share_name /remote -o username=username
[20:48] <afeijo> testing ...
[20:49] <DocTomoe> seriously, no pointer for that darn "no sound in flash"-problem?
[20:50] <i3ooi3oo> afeijo:  yes you need to install smbfs
[20:51] <[TiM]> Kubuntu is very nice, thank you.
[20:51] <afeijo> i3ooi3oo: worked! thanks
[20:51] <[TiM]> It's been ages since i've played with it, installed it now on my laptop, very good.
[20:51] <Yud_Zroc> so um ok so now i kinda know what i want
[20:51] <yoni9972> Hi, i have problem with cannon lbp 2009 at ubunto 9/04 I have the trroubleshout.txt file. Can someone help me plaese. I can send him/her the file and explain this
[20:52] <i3ooi3oo> afeijo:  thanks I need to set that up on this pc again so thanks for the questions
[20:52] <Yud_Zroc> Any ripper that puts my ripped filed in ogg with selected bit rate, into a cirtain folder
[20:52] <i3ooi3oo> *needed
[20:52] <DocTomoe> Yud_Zroc: open konqueror, enter audiocd:/ into the URI bar
[20:53] <yoni9972> yoni9972: try
[20:54] <Yud_Zroc> ok from there what do i do
[20:54] <new_bember> hi2all
[20:54] <i3ooi3oo> hi to 1
[20:54] <Yud_Zroc> DocTomoe: from there what do i do to rip it properly
[20:55] <DocTomoe> Yud_Zroc: Just get to the appropriate folder (OGG should work), then drag 'ndrop the files to where you want them
[20:55] <DocTomoe> Yud_Zroc: it doesn't get much easier.
[20:55] <Yud_Zroc> hm ok
[20:57] <Yud_Zroc> ty
[20:58] <DocTomoe> OK, any idea on how to make youtube videoshave sound once again?
[21:00] <devilsadvocate> DocTomoe: if you disabled pulseaudio or moved it to a lower priority in solid, then move it back up
[21:00] <DocTomoe> devilsadvocate: I tought there was no pulseaudio in kubuntu?
[21:00] <yoni9972> and this is my problem:
[21:00] <yoni9972> i have problem with cannon lbp 2009 at ubunto 9/04 I have the trroubleshout.txt file. Can someone help me plaese. I can send him/her the file and explain this.
[21:01] <devilsadvocate> DocTomoe: i have it. it might have been because i installed ubuntu to start with. doing that fixed my problem.. i had earlier moved pulseaudio down due to some shittyness
[21:08] <conde> vão-se foder cabrões da merda
[21:09] <lazy> Hi i am having trouble installiing flash to ubuntu 9.04 64-bit.
[21:11] <lazy> Hi i am having trouble installiing flash to ubuntu 9.04 64-bit can anyone help me with this?
[21:26] <mackk431> whats the problem lazy
[21:30] <mackk431> i use xvidcap and dont get the sound to work need help
[21:31] <brian__> anyone tried python under unr (the netbook version)
[21:32] <mackk431> if i use hypercam in windows the mpeg is not working and if i use xvidcap the sound isnt working
[21:32] <mackk431> but i get the sound with hypercam and the mpeg with xvidcap :)
[21:32] <mackk431> so i can resemble the movie but it would be cool if the sound would work with xvidcap
[21:38] <deathcometh> hello
[21:41] <Laeborg> My computer freezes around one times a day, so I have to turn off the psu, for restarting. RAM is tested O.K.
[21:41] <Laeborg> What can it be? I know its a hardware problem
[21:41] <Laeborg> gfx, cpu?
[21:42] <david___> Need help with ARK it will not open rar files http://pastebin.com/m798174c9
[21:43] <olujicz> Laeborg: My computer freezes when my gpu start to die
[21:43] <Laeborg> gpu ?
[21:43] <olujicz> but it was more than one time a day
[21:43] <alex___> привет
[21:43] <olujicz> Laeborg: Nvidia 7300
[21:43] <Laeborg> gpu is that on my gfx ?
[21:43] <Laeborg> So it could be my gfx
[21:43] <djprofessork> fuck
[21:43] <BluesKaj> !ru | alex___
[21:43] <olujicz> maby
[21:44] <Laeborg> the pc almost always freeze if I start a video or so
[21:45] <olujicz> Laeborg: first i have problem on DVI and then I switched on VGA
[21:45] <Laeborg> Okay that worked for you ?
[21:46] <olujicz> but after some time VGA died also
[21:46] <ranieri> salve a tutti
[21:46] <Laeborg> okay
[21:48] <david___> Need help with ARK it will not open rar files http://pastebin.com/m798174c9
[21:51] <kyle_> kubuntu or xubuntu?
[21:52] <ranfo> ubuntu
[21:54] <kyle_> i was using it and reformated to kubuntu and its interface better
[22:03] <david__> how can i get ark to open rar files http://pastebin.com/m798174c9
[22:04] <carpii> install unrar
[22:04] <ranfo> non parlo inglese
[22:06] <eagles0513875> hey guys i just did a clean install on my desktop and its not finding my internet connection
[22:06] <eagles0513875> this is no a clean install of jaunty
[22:06] <david__> carpii already installed unrar??
[22:07] <david__> c
[22:10] <snarkster> anyone know where you get steam from?
[22:11] <david__> a pot of boiling water
[22:14] <snarkster> david__: very funny man.. lol
[22:14] <david__> just kidding
[22:14] <david__> hehe
[22:14] <snarkster> ive read alot about it, just wanted to know is it a wine program or is there a linux version?
[22:15] <evlkm> Salut, je suis nouveau et novice
[22:15] <carpii> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=steam+for+linux
[22:15] <carpii> please, try to at least make a bit of an effort
[22:18] <david__> snarkster http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Steam
[22:18] <david__> how can i get ark to open rar files http://pastebin.com/m798174c9
[22:18] <mackk431> i am still trying to get xvidcap sound to work without success and would appreciate help
[22:20] <snarkster> thank you very much guys
[22:20] <popey> mackk431: have you considered recordmydesktop?
[22:20] <mackk431> yes popey sound isnt working there also
[22:33] <shock_day13> hey fellows ive installed 7zip but i was unable to use cos it does not show up in any menu does anyone know how to use 7zip in jaunty?
[22:38] <Hedge|Hog> http://adam-and-eve.beta.istheshit.net/
[22:50] <francisco> hi
[22:51] <ubuntu_> hi
[22:51] <afeijo> can I burn a cd while using kubuntu live cd?? :p
[22:54] <xjjk> afeijo: if your CD burner is another device, sure
[22:54] <afeijo> omg
[22:54] <afeijo> xjjk: its not
[22:54] <xjjk> afeijo: then no
[22:54] <xjjk> afeijo: you can create a Live USB key, boot from that, freeing up your recorder
[22:54] <afeijo> sh**
[22:54] <afeijo> xjjk: cool!! any link with the steps?
[22:55] <xjjk> afeijo: it's included with the Ubuntu Live CD in the menus somewhere
[22:55] <xjjk> usb-creator
[22:55] <afeijo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Live_USB_creator ?
[22:55] <xjjk> yes, that
[22:55] <afeijo> I'm downloading kubuntu 9.04, can I use it to the usb ?
[22:55] <francisco> hello, im new in linux, i dont undertand how install program, this its my firts day usin linux (ubntu)
[22:56] <francisco> sorry for my bad english
[22:56] <xjjk> afeijo: yes, AFAIK any *ubuntu LiveCD can be turned into a Live USB key with that tool
[22:56] <xjjk> afeijo: it's worked well for me
[22:56] <afeijo> sweet, I'll try
[22:56] <xjjk> afeijo: though, I have had problems with the alternate installer
[22:57] <afeijo> well I have 20 min. to learn how to do it, until my .iso downloads ;)
[22:57] <xjjk> it's incredibly easy
[22:57] <xjjk> but start now, the tool is not fast
[22:58] <xjjk> and if you can get by with a CD image, use a CD image
[22:58] <xjjk> it takes a *very* long time with DVD images
[22:58] <afeijo> yes, CD
[22:58] <afeijo> but if I have USB kubuntu, I can use it to install on my HD right?
[22:58] <xjjk> yes
[22:58] <afeijo> thats my goal
[22:59] <afeijo> my current kubuntu 8.04 isnt working, I lost keyboard and mouse on the login :(
[23:01] <nethans> hi guys
[23:01] <lechat> !kubuntu-fr
[23:01] <afeijo> xjjk: how do I run that setup.py file?
[23:01] <xjjk> afeijo: what setup.py file
[23:01] <vbgunz> anybody know if there is a command that will spill everything that is needed to be known about a host computer from a live-cd? e.g., I need to get how many disk, the total size of data per disk, etc of the computer... is there a diagnostic dump type command from the live-cd?
[23:01] <afeijo> of the usb-creator
[23:02] <nethans> hi guys.. I wanted to know if there is any ubuntu aplication to create multiple sessions toward a server.. I want to do that toward a firewall,, I want to recreate a problem where my firewalls goes down when it reach a session limit so do you know something like this ?
[23:02] <xjjk> afeijo: err, which LiveCD are you using? the Ubuntu one?
[23:02] <afeijo> kubuntu 8.04
[23:02] <xjjk> afeijo: ahhh, that tool isn't included with the kubuntu LiveCD
[23:02] <xjjk> afeijo: in a konsole, type sudo aptitude install usb-creator
[23:02] <afeijo> I downloaded usb-crator.tar.gz
[23:03] <afeijo> ok
[23:03] <xjjk> afeijo: you shouldn't need to install anything
[23:03] <xjjk> afeijo: er, and after that, sudo aptitude install python-gnome2
[23:03] <xjjk> (the latter is the workaround to a bug report that I filed)
[23:03] <afeijo> xjjk: my apt-get dont know usb-creator
[23:03] <xjjk> afeijo: er, did you say you're using 8.04?
[23:03] <zork_> tchou
[23:04] <afeijo> y
[23:04] <xjjk> afeijo: ubuntu 8.04 doesn't include usb-creator in the main repositories
[23:04] <nethans> hi guys.. I wanted to know if there is any ubuntu aplication to create multiple sessions toward a server.. I want to do that toward a firewall,, I want to recreate a problem where my firewalls goes down when it reach a session limit so do you know something like this ?
[23:04] <xjjk> afeijo: install python-gnome2, and let me get a link for you
[23:04] <afeijo> installed
[23:05] <xjjk> afeijo: download and install this: http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/u/usb-creator/usb-creator_0.1.10~hardy1_all.deb
[23:05] <xjjk> download, and then run dpkg --install usb-creator*deb
[23:05] <xjjk> afeijo: then, run aptitude again
[23:05] <xjjk> and make sure all its dependencies get installed
[23:06] <xjjk> afeijo: also, you can add hardy-backports via software sources
[23:06] <nethans> hardy-backports _?..
[23:06] <lechat> hi, where the french kubuntu channel, if he exist :) ?
[23:06] <lechat> is *
[23:06] <vbgunz> anyone know how to get a human readable list of diagnostic information about a computer running a live-cd?
[23:07] <afeijo> xjjk: error: Dependency is not satisfiable: python-central.  But apt-get told that that module is up to date
[23:07] <xjjk> nethans: selected software from later versions of ubuntu is backported to that distribution
[23:07] <xjjk> afeijo: meh, it's probably easier to just use software sources
[23:07] <xjjk> afeijo: sorry about telling you download this and that, apparently doing it that way is not so easy
[23:08] <afeijo> xjjk: no problem :)
[23:08] <alonea> what is with the blocked updates? just a precaution? no option to do them anyway?
[23:08] <david__> how can i get ark to open rar files http://pastebin.com/m798174c9
[23:08] <david__> keeps giving theese errors
[23:09] <OxDeadC0de> if you wanted to setup a central server and some terminals, but the terminals run windows xp, server running linux, is it at all possible or is this a crazy whacked out idea that I'd need windows server and netbios for (For a corporate environment, go to work, open your laptop, login to your work account instead of your local laptop account, so the IT guy can maintain all the accounts on a single server instead of on each employee computer)
[23:09] <OxDeadC0de> did that cut off?
[23:10] <david__> y even use windows at all?
[23:10] <OxDeadC0de> because the employees computers will not be the companies
[23:11] <OxDeadC0de> that's not my choice
[23:11] <david__> ahh
[23:11] <Guest58937> Hi all
[23:14] <djprofessork> hey how do i use this
[23:14] <djprofessork> im a little confused on how to search for channels
[23:14] <djprofessork> can anyone please help?
[23:15] <afeijo> I cant find how to install usb-creator on my kubuntu 8.04
[23:15] <david__> OxDeadCOde looks like it is possible!
[23:17] <dwidmann> I've got a question about the locate/updatedb command. Is there any way to get it to index all mounted filesystems, rather than just /, or just/media/something ... etc
[23:17] <OxDeadC0de> david__: with samba and netbios?
[23:18] <afeijo> xjjk: there is no alternative to usb-creator?
[23:18] <xjjk> afeijo: did you use software sources to neable hardy-backports
[23:18] <xjjk> and hardy-proposed
[23:19] <xjjk> afeijo: there are several, but for Ubuntu, usb-creator is the best
[23:19] <xjjk> afeijo: unetbootin is another similar tool
[23:19] <afeijo> sources? no
[23:19] <xjjk> afeijo: yeh... enable those repositories
[23:19] <xjjk> then update your package lists
[23:19] <xjjk> usb-creator should be there
[23:19] <xjjk> and it should fetch all the dependencies for you
[23:20] <afeijo> apt-get update?
[23:20] <xjjk> afeijo: yeh
[23:20] <afeijo> k
[23:20] <xjjk> afeijo: preferably, you should use aptitude or synaptic
[23:22] <afeijo> xjjk: sudo aptitude install usb-creator?
[23:22] <xjjk> afeijo: yes
[23:22] <afeijo> didnt work, I dont see why not
[23:23] <xjjk> afeijo: what happened
[23:23] <afeijo> found a line, "no candidate version for usb-creator"
[23:23] <xjjk> afeijo: are you sure you enabled hardy-backports
[23:23] <afeijo> I dont know how :$
[23:23] <xjjk> afeijo: hold on...
[23:23] <xjjk> afeijo: er, rather
[23:24] <david__> OxDeadCOde yeah im thinking samba maybe putty
[23:24] <xjjk> look up how to edit your software sources in ubuntu/kubuntu
[23:24] <xjjk> er, kubuntu rather
[23:24] <afeijo> sources.list ?
[23:24] <xjjk> afeijo: yes, that's the manual way to do it
[23:24] <afeijo> I'm there
[23:24] <xjjk> afeijo: you'll see lines called "hardy" and "hardy-security"
[23:24] <afeijo> only 5 sources
[23:24] <afeijo> yes
[23:25] <xjjk> copy one of the ones that is prefixed with deb http://blah...
[23:25] <xjjk> change the word that says hardy to hardy-backports
[23:25] <xjjk> afeijo: there's a GUI tool for this
[23:25] <david__> OxDeadCOde if putty allows windows to acces linux server through tcp/ip then it should be possible
[23:26] <OxDeadC0de> david__ I was hoping to do without external software though, I've seen windows machines that allowed logins to remote workgroups before, that's what I'm looking for
[23:27] <afeijo> still no luck
[23:27] <OxDeadC0de> I'm not actually setting it up, a buddy of mine is for a presentation in school, or at least is looking up info about it since windows server is freaking 999 for the cheapest one (Not counting their lame webserver version)
[23:27] <david__> OxDeadCOde keep looking youll find something sry couldnt be more helpfull
[23:28] <xjjk> afeijo: it's still saying that usb-creator has no candidates?
[23:28] <afeijo> yes
[23:29] <afeijo> found a guide, wait
[23:29] <OxDeadC0de> well thanks for the help anyway david__ =)
[23:30] <david__> OxDeadCOde looks to me like samba on your linux server should privide you with all you need http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/connect-linux-server-windows-server-2003-2008/
[23:31] <david__> OxDeadCOde or maybe im way off base take a look at this link!
[23:31] <afeijo> no, the guide consider that you have usb-creator installed :(
[23:31] <david__> OxDeadCOde http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/connect-linux-server-windows-server-2003-2008/
[23:31] <OxDeadC0de> awesome, primary domain controller, that's what I'm looking for! thanks for the verification david__
[23:32] <david__> OxDeadCOde np
[23:34] <xjjk> afeijo: lookup how to add different repositories
[23:34] <xjjk> afeijo: I don't remember how to do this off the top of my head, it's the kind of thing you only do once
[23:34] <afeijo> xjjk: I guess it is by adding lines to the sources.list
[23:35] <xjjk> afeijo: yeh, that's the manual way to do it
[23:35] <xjjk> afeijo: post your sources.list to a pastebin, I can look at it
[23:36] <afeijo> http://pastebin.com/d48974735
[23:36] <xjjk> afeijo: where's there "main restricted".. change it to "main restricted universe"
[23:37] <xjjk> afeijo: for reference: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-backports/usb-creator
[23:38] <xjjk> afeijo: do that throughout the file
[23:38] <david__> I need help with ark it keeps sending this error when I try to open rar files http://pastebin.com/m798174c9
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> xjjk: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:39] <xjjk> ActionParsnip: direct towards afeijo
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: (see above) add the repo address to that file, save, exit kate, then run: sudo apt-get update
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: if you get an error about gpg keys i can advise if you pate the error
[23:42] <afeijo> my aptitude just dont update python-central, it is stuck with 0.6.5ubuntu1 version :( not 0.6.7
[23:43] <aziz> i want to have a 3GB swap partition, but it seems like only 1.5GB are used.
[23:44] <afeijo> how can I force it to install python-central ?
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> aziz: if you have a 3gb swap and there is 1.5gb used, thats fine
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: add a repo for it
[23:44] <xjjk> afeijo: sudo aptitude install python-central
[23:45] <afeijo> ActionParsnip: I just did
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> !info python-central
[23:45] <xjjk> afeijo: I shouldn't have told you to install with dpkg --install, sorry
[23:45] <afeijo> xjjk: I did try it several times
[23:45] <xjjk> afeijo: what does it say?
[23:45] <afeijo> that its up to date
[23:45] <afeijo> dpkg? you didnt
[23:45] <xjjk> afeijo: then it's installed...
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> xjjk: then run: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:45] <afeijo> not its not, I have 0.6.5 not 0.6.7
[23:45] <xjjk> err, blah
[23:45] <afeijo> ActionParsnip: I cant run upgrade, I'm in a live cd
[23:46] <xjjk> afeijo: paste your sources.list again
[23:46] <xjjk> afeijo: I'll fix for you
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: you can upgrade the apps in the live cd
[23:46] <afeijo> http://pastebin.com/d35a6c1dd
[23:46] <afeijo> ActionParsnip: why would I upgrade over 200 stuff ? :)
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: it will upgrade the files in the live cd environment
[23:46] <afeijo> I know, but it would take long time no?
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: and be lost on reboot
[23:47] <afeijo> y
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> depends on your conection
[23:47] <xjjk> afeijo: why do you have a line there for sid
[23:47] <afeijo> 8 mb
[23:47] <xjjk> afeijo: I'd remove that...
[23:47] <afeijo> xjjk: trying to update python-central with that
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> afeijo: if you have a 3gbps connection, no it wont
[23:47] <aziz> ActionParsnip: sorry, I was unclear. I mean only 1.5GB are recognized, but the swap partition is actually 3GB large.
[23:47] <xjjk> afeijo: do *not* use that
[23:47] <afeijo> ok
[23:47] <xjjk> debian is a completely different distribution
[23:47] <david__> I need help with ark it keeps sending this error when I try to open rar files http://pastebin.com/m798174c9
[23:47] <xjjk> afeijo: just wondering.. did you look up software sources
[23:48] <xjjk> this should be a task of clicking off two checkboxes
[23:48] <afeijo> python-central (>= 0.6.7) but you have 0.6.5ubuntu1
[23:48] <afeijo> xjjk: in what app to do that?
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> david__: have you installed rar stuff?
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> !rar
[23:48] <xjjk> afeijo: it's called software sources in the menu
[23:48] <david__> yes
[23:48] <xjjk> I don't remember how to access it
[23:49] <david__> unrar
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> david__: you can extract rar with:   rar x <rar file>
[23:49] <afeijo> mine is in portuguese, let me searc
[23:49] <afeijo> search
[23:49] <afeijo> adept manager?
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> david__: you could try uninstalling (and purging) ark, then reinstalling it
[23:50] <xjjk> afeijo: I think so
[23:50] <david__> ActionParsnip how would i do that?
[23:50] <afeijo> I think I found that screen, what to set there?
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> david__: its not something i use personally but at least you can use your file, and troubleshoot ark when you get time
[23:51] <aziz> never mind guys, I resized the partition a few times, it finally works.
[23:51] <xjjk> afeijo: do you see settings for software sources
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> david__: sudo apt-get --purge remove ark; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove; sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get install ark
[23:51] <afeijo> yes
[23:52] <afeijo> I have 4/5 checkboxes enabled
[23:52] <xjjk> afeijo: go there, and look for enabling something called hardy-backports and hardy-proposed
[23:52] <xjjk> afeijo: I think it's under the "Updates" tab
[23:52] <xjjk> afeijo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[23:52] <xjjk> the Kubuntu tool is identical to the Ubuntu one AFAIK
[23:53] <afeijo> yes I have main, restricted, universe and multiverse
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> just add the repo to the text file
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> so much easier
[23:53] <xjjk> ActionParsnip: honestly, it's not
[23:53] <xjjk> how does he know the syntax
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> xjjk: its exactly the same as what he's going to paste into the repo adder
[23:54] <xjjk> ActionParsnip: he's not adding a repository, he's adding a distribution
[23:54] <xjjk> afeijo: http://pastebin.com/d19f252e8
[23:54] <xjjk> use that as your new sources.list
[23:54] <xjjk> sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude install usb-creator
[23:55] <afeijo> updating
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> adding a distribution?
[23:56] <xjjk> afeijo: blah, forgot a line...
[23:56] <xjjk> afeijo: use this: http://pastebin.com/d2e91cefe
[23:56] <xjjk> afeijo: the problem here is that usb-creator was released *after* hardy was released
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> oh i get it now
[23:57] <xjjk> because of that, you have to go through these hoops to get it
[23:57] <xjjk> but really, the hoops are only clicking 2 or 3 checkboxes
[23:57] <xjjk> or updating this file (that is, if you know how to edit it)
[23:57] <afeijo> omg, I think it will work now
[23:58] <afeijo> AMEM
[23:58] <afeijo> thanks A LOT xjjk
[23:58] <xjjk> afeijo: sorry this was so convolted
[23:58] <xjjk> apparently kubuntu's documentation isn't very complete
[23:58] <afeijo> it was fun and I learned a few more things :)
[23:58] <xjjk> and there are a LOT of howto's that make you do too many steps
[23:58] <xjjk> and make things more difficult than they are


[08:15] <bradleyayers> can I use pre-stop to shut down the job? or will it be respawned
[08:23] <bradleyayers> it would appear, that it does respawn
[10:56] <__machine> anyone know why my sickbeard upstart job doesnt get the right pid? ive tried expect fork and expect daemon and both get the wrong pid… my exec line does su -c 'python Sick-Beard.py …' me … having the wrong pid means i cant stop/start it properly once started…?
[10:57] <__machine> i also tried to cheat with start-stop-daemon, but initctl said it was started/running but had no pid, and it wasnt actually running…?


[04:27] <rockstar_> I'm trying to use VPN client in ubuntu, client connection seem simple. But I can't seem to connect to it. Any suggestion? May be my authentication is incorrect. But it says it failed to connect
[04:39] <rockstar_> anybody have any suggestion for failed VPN connection?
[05:53] <Valduare> hey guys im having issues, my apc ups says connection failed with apcupsd
[07:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:25]  * pmatulis got a lead for translating the ubuntu server guide into Arabic, nice
[14:24] <devster31> hi, what's a good way to compare 2 files that I know have a very similar content but in a very different order?
[14:24] <TJ-> devster31: binary or text content?
[14:24] <devster31> it's text
[14:25] <TJ-> devster31: The order upsets diff?
[14:25] <Odd_Bloke> devster31: I often use `diff -u <(cat $old | sort) <(cat $new | sort)`.
[14:26] <TJ-> devster31: as Odd_Bloke says, if the order of lines isn't significant, use sort
[14:26] <devster31> ok, order of line doesn't really matter, I just wanted to know which are different
[14:26] <TJ-> Odd_Bloke: why that 'cat's? Surely just "<(sort $old)" is sufficient?
[14:27] <Odd_Bloke> TJ-: Because that's what Ctrl-R told me I did last time. ;)
[14:27] <Odd_Bloke> TJ-: You're right. :)
[14:27] <TJ-> Odd_Bloke: Ahhh... you don't need cat if the command it's piping to can directly read files itself
[14:29] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, I want to defend myself by saying that I might have been doing something else in that pipeline, but I almost certainly was just being daft.
[14:30] <devster31> sorry, not working, still outputs both files one above the other
[14:30] <TJ-> It's easy to do, cat is so universal
[14:31] <devster31> I also tried comm <(sort file1) <(sort file2) with marginally better results
[14:32] <Odd_Bloke> devster31: When you say 'one above the other', presumably the first file has '-'s prepended and the second '+'s?
[14:32] <devster31> yes, but they have all the lines
[14:32] <Odd_Bloke> That suggests that pretty much all the lines are different.
[14:33] <TJ-> devster31: line endings issues?
[14:33] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, good thought.
[14:33] <devster31> I'll check
[14:34] <TJ-> devster31: try diff's "--ignore-trailing-space"
[14:35] <TJ-> devster31: or otherwise, "--strip-trailing-cr"
[14:37] <devster31> i went with -b, seems to work nicely now
[14:38] <devster31> some of the spaces were between words
[14:40] <devster31> what's a good place to save this things, this little commands
[14:40] <devster31> for future reference?
[14:40] <TJ-> devster31: Memory :)
[14:40] <Odd_Bloke> devster31: I use zsh, which is pretty good at keeping history; if it's something you use regularly, you could use an alias.
[14:43] <devster31> I am using zsh, but this isn't the kind of thing I'd use everyday, seems kind of niche
[16:00] <pmatulis> zsh ftw
[16:00] <lordievader> zsh!!! \o/
[16:27] <snolahc> Hi all, i installed my test cluster under ubuntu server 14.04 and on one i installed Landscape. When trying to register the machines, i got the message "We were unable to contact the server", but the machines talk well each others.... No FW problem, anything. The landscape server runs well with no error logs and the clients all output the same thing... Where can i find info to resolve this ?
[16:37] <rberg> hey is ubuntu-server looking to go away from deb packaging to this Snappy Personal thing?
[16:39] <snolahc> rberg, which package mgr ?
[16:40] <rberg> I dont know. but I would like to stay with apt / deb packages
[16:41] <rberg> or is snappy just for Ubuntu Core?
[16:46] <RoyK> I somewhat doubt ubuntu will leave dpkg
[16:46] <RoyK> if it does, I will too
[16:49] <patdk-wk_> I switched from rhel to here cause it didn't have the issues rpm has
[16:50] <RoyK> patdk-wk_++
[16:50]  * RoyK doesn't like RHEL
[17:38] <zzxc> Hey does anyone know a good alerting system for new CVE or just general vulnerabilities?
[17:45] <rberg> as much as I hate linking phoronix this is why I ask http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-15.10-DEB-To-Snap
[17:49] <rberg> zzxc: you could subscribe to the Open Source Security Mailing List
[17:51] <sarnold> zzxc: afaik there's no _good_ way to stay on top of it; the ubuntu security team makes updating our UCT database a daily job for someone on the team http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/ubuntu-cve-tracker/master/changes
[17:52] <sarnold> zzxc: part of that daily routine is grabbing updates from nvd and mitre and debian's similar database: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/ubuntu-cve-tracker/master/view/head:/scripts/process_cves
[17:52] <rbasak> I wonder if somebody could drive some kind of data feed out of that database.
[17:53] <zzxc> rberg: Yeah  I think that would be useful.
[17:53] <rbasak> I guess it would only work well for stuff in main though.
[17:53] <rbasak> At which point you might as well just follow USNs.
[17:54] <rberg> zzxc: then I also follow the Ubuntu Security RSS feed
[17:54] <zzxc> sarnold: rberg That not a bad idea either
[17:54] <zzxc> sarnold: Cool. Thanks for the links.
[17:54] <sarnold> rbasak: the downsides to just usns is that those aren't published for universe packages
[17:55] <zzxc> It would be nice if there was some way you could specify the parts of your stack and get notifications when a new CVE is found for part of your stack.
[17:55] <sarnold> rbasak: we didhave some interest from someone who wants to provide OVAL content for ubuntu packages; they said they were going to get debian versioning treated as a high-level version type, since dpkg's rules might differ from rpm's enough to have an issue, but I honestly don't know if the end result will be worth it.
[17:56] <sarnold> zzxc: I -think- that's the intention behind the oval database thing
[17:56] <sarnold> zzxc: me, I'm content to just turn on automatic updates on the systems I don't login to regularly and let apt sort it out :)
[17:56] <sarnold> . but again that misses the packages in universe that need updates but don't get them
[17:56] <rberg> yeah something like Gentoos GLSA would be really nice
[17:57] <zzxc> sarnold: Yeah, thats harder to do on a production or shared development machine.
[17:58] <sarnold> I'd love to have a debsecan package that works for ubuntu -- our database formats are so vastly different it wouldn't even be worth starting from what's in that package thuogh :(
[17:59] <rbasak> zzxc: Landscape solves that nicely. Installing updates is separate from being able to see what needs applying.
[17:59] <sarnold> zzxc: if there's a small handful of packages you care about, this might be a good starting point: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/
[18:00] <sarnold> zzxc: if you care about hundreds though, using bzr to clone our database would make a _lot_ more sense..
[18:04] <zzxc> rbasak: I'll take another look at landscape but part of the issue is we have 2 word press machines, 3 Postgres Machines, 3 Servers and use a framework for development.
[18:05] <zzxc> sorry we use a framework that we have to download as a jar file*
[18:35] <samba35> i am trying to setup a mail server using postfix and dovecot on ubuntu 14.04.2 ,can some one please recommand me good source for that
[18:36] <patdk-wk_> apt-get install postfix dovecot
[18:40] <samba35> yes ,i did that but actual configuration process
[18:48] <bekks> samba35: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer
[18:49] <samba35> ok ,thanks
[20:52] <CiPi> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1429705239542.jpg


[00:00] <dfarning> satellit_, thanks.... I don't know expect it will be much different than the one from the 23th.  But at least the workflow is established so we can spend the next two months on fixing bugs.
[00:26] <satellit_> great....glad to test as real installs...: )
[00:27] <satellit_> will it be loadable as a sugar addition like yum install sugar* in fedora? (in Ubuntu)
[00:30] <dfarning> satellit_, yes you can install sugar in ubuntu like a normal package using the package manager.
[00:35] <satellit_> great
[00:55] <dfarning> satellit_, they are up at http://download.sugarlabs.org/usr/
[00:56] <satellit_> got it thanks doing DL now for both
[00:56] <satellit_> 825
[00:56] <dfarning> satellit_, I'm going to get an icecream cone to celebrate.
[00:57] <satellit_> congratulations.......
[00:57] <dfarning> satellit_, will be back in a few hours to hit the QA part of this adventure:)  Just over two months to release.
[00:57] <satellit_> I added link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sugar
[00:58] <satellit_> have to go epee' fencing tonight w/ wife back in 3 hrs myself
[01:00] <dfarning> manusheel, what are you doing up?
[01:01] <dfarning> manusheel, just sent you an email that the new usr iso are up at http://download.sugarlabs.org/usr/
[01:01] <manusheel> dfarning: Preparing for the release of paint activity.
[01:01] <manusheel> dfarning: Great. Wonderful news.
[01:01] <dfarning> manusheel, nice.
[01:02] <dfarning> manusheel, two months of QA:)
[01:02] <dfarning> manusheel, you just waking up or still going to bed?
[01:04] <manusheel> dfarning: Thank you. I am just waking up today. The QA team took time in doing testing of paint activity.
[01:04] <manusheel> dfarning: But, we are ready for the release now.
[01:33] <manusheel> dfarning: We'll discuss on LP once you are back.
[02:05] <dfarning> manusheel, just got back.
[02:07] <manusheel> dfarning: Ok, great. The A.S.L.O platform still does not allow me to upload new paint version.
[02:07] <manusheel> dfarning: Surprising. It still shows the activity team as the maintainer.
[02:07] <dfarning> manusheel, I just saw that.  that implies that it is cache related.
[02:08] <dfarning> in the upper right corner of activities.sugarlabs.org is there a link to tools?
[02:09] <manusheel> dfarning: I didn't find such a link.
[02:09] <manusheel> dfarning: Yes, it looks like a cache related issue.
[02:09] <dfarning> Are you logged in?
[02:11] <manusheel> dfarning: Yes.
[02:11] <manusheel> dfarning: I see Developer Hub at the top right corner.
[02:11] <dfarning> manusheel, oh shit:(  I forgot to click update authors after I added you.  one minute.
[02:12] <manusheel> dfarning: Sure. Absolutely fine.
[02:13] <dfarning> manusheel, can you try going to developer tools
[02:14] <dfarning> I am working on a tiny netbook and the update authors button was off the screen the first time I tried
[02:15] <manusheel> dfarning: Yes, it worked now. Great.
[02:15] <manusheel> dfarning: Absolutely fine.
[02:17] <manusheel> dfarning: Thanks. Netbooks haven't reached that level of usability yet in reference to a number of matters.
[02:17] <manusheel> dfarning: Growing industry.
[02:17] <dfarning> manusheel, frustrating none the less....
[02:20] <manusheel> dfarning: Indeed :-)
[02:56] <manusheel> dfarning: Neat comment on e-toys issue.
[02:57] <dfarning> manusheel, which one?
[02:57] <manusheel> dfarning: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/507093
[02:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 507093 in etoys (Ubuntu) "eToys does not Launch (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Low,Incomplete]
[02:58] <manusheel> dfarning: I hope we arrive at a good conclusion on the build issues.
[02:59] <dfarning> manusheel, ahh the free - nonfree.  One of us will have to get on that.... or ask lfaraone to look into it after the initial packaging is complete.
[02:59] <manusheel> dfarning: Right. Definitely, David.
[03:00] <manusheel> dfarning: Scratch is going to have similar issues too.
[03:08] <lfaraone> dfarning: yeah, I really don't want to argue with ftpmasters.
[03:09] <lfaraone> dfarning: it's coming down to an issue of maintainability for security updates. It's hard to audit changes in squeak images because they're opaque to diffs (IIRC)
[03:12] <dfarning> lfaraone, let's let it sit until after the 10.10 release and think about it again.  I see their point of view.  The squeak team, lead by bert I think, at one time agreed with the ftp masters that they would use a snapshot from a specific date as the 'orginal source' and updates would be treated as patches.
[03:13] <dfarning> lfaraone, messy but it satisfied both parties.... but no one ever followed through.
[03:14] <lfaraone> dfarning: yeah, if we had one magic image and then agreed to have everything as .changes on top of that, that's okay.
[03:15] <dfarning> lfaraone, nice job with neeraj, It looks like he is getting a good handle on things.
[03:16] <lfaraone> dfarning: ah, I'm glad.
[03:17] <dfarning> lfaraone, the packaging looks good. now the focus can switch to QA.  There will be a lot of package updates that should be pretty trivial.
[03:18] <dfarning> lfaraone, what do you have scheudled for tonight?
[03:18] <lfaraone> dfarning: well, neither paint nor speak is reayd to go.
[03:18] <lfaraone> (afaik)O
[03:19]  * lfaraone has to look at speak, slider, moon.
[03:19] <dfarning> lfaraone, since you fixed the licensing on speak that looks pretty good.
[03:20] <dfarning> lfaraone, manusheel push a new version of paint to aslo this evening.
[03:20] <lfaraone> dfarning: cool. if it runs, that'd be even cooler :)
[03:21] <manusheel> dfarning: Finishing up the release notes. Luke, I think it is working well.
[03:21] <lfaraone> lucian hinted that Surf does not crash on Ubuntu, so if somebody could test that out from git that'd be really awesome.
[03:21] <lfaraone> (from the git.debian.org repo) I'd test it myself, and was about to do that, but then I saw the review queue I have in front of me. :)
[03:22] <dfarning> lfaraone, I can do that tonight.
[03:22] <satellit_Acer> burning 825 CD now
[03:22] <dfarning> satellit_Acer, cross fingers.
[03:22] <manusheel> lfaraone, dfarning: Ankur had some issues, which he discussed it with Gonzalo. I have asked them to work this out soon.
[03:22] <satellit_Acer> :  )
[03:23] <manusheel> satellit_Acer: Thank you Thomas. Looking forward to your reviews and feedback.
[03:23] <satellit_Acer> glad to...
[03:23] <lfaraone> dfarning: cool, let me know if you encounter problems (building|running) it.
[03:30] <satellit_> boots to read 78 and journal. Ubuntu maverick (development branch) 0.88.1 no other activities like 824
[03:31] <satellit_> will load surf-115 from USB drag drop and install some activities....
[03:32] <satellit_> surf starts and logs in to ASLO
[03:32] <dfarning> lfaraone, what was the link to the git packaging howto you made on the debian wiki --- I forgot the command to do a git build.
[03:33] <satellit_> terminal -31.xo downloaded
[03:33] <lfaraone> dfarning: "git-buildpackage -us -uc" to do an unsigned build.
[03:33] <satellit_> terminal starts with ls
[03:33] <lfaraone> dfarning: http://wiki.debian.org/Sugar/GettingStartedGuide
[03:34] <dfarning> lfaraone, thanks
[03:34] <dfarning> satellit_, can you poke around with surf and see if you can get it to crash?
[03:34] <satellit_> tried to get root and terminal died need sudo su then it works
[03:35] <satellit_> ok
[03:35] <satellit_> what test for surf?
[03:35] <satellit_> links?
[03:36] <lfaraone> satellit_: it's not really useful to test the .XO of Surf.
[03:36] <lfaraone> satellit_: since it's not what we're packaging.
[03:36] <satellit_> ok what should I test Browse?
[03:37] <satellit_> browse 112.xo DL from ASLO
[03:38] <satellit_> Browse failed to start...
[03:39] <satellit_> browse-115w .xo starts from drag drop
[03:41] <lfaraone> satellit_: in general, .XO activities testing isn't something that is actionable for us.
[03:41] <lfaraone> satellit_: packaged activites are our main concern.
[03:42] <satellit_> how do I download packaged activites   command?
[03:42] <dfarning> satellit_, I will email you the browse I just built
[03:43] <satellit_> thanks...satellit <at> bendbroadband <dot> com
[03:45] <satellit_> shutdown does nothing have to log out then hit ged rt bar stop button
[03:45] <dfarning> satellit_,  copy the .deb file to your hard drive.  You can then install the package with the command
[03:45] <dfarning> sudo dpkg --install sugar-surf-activity_115-1_all.deb
[03:45] <satellit_> s/ok
[03:49] <satellit_> rebooting live cd
[03:49] <dfarning> lfaraone, works for me.  youtube, gmail, gchat..... I'll use it as my primary browser for the rest of the evening.
[03:50] <lfaraone> dfarning: interesting. I'm curious as to whether it still segfaults in Unstable.
[03:50] <lfaraone> dfarning: hey, I can upload it to "experimental" and sync it over.
[03:50] <dfarning> lfaraone, +1
[03:51] <satellit_> install to 8 GB USB
[03:52] <dfarning> lfaraone, hmmm can't turn off caps lock in sugar.  that is a strange bug.
[03:53] <dfarning> lfaraone, I bumped it reaching for the tab and now I can't turn it off.
[03:53] <lfaraone> dfarning: also, for the next release of Speak I'd like to pull out the AIML files and into a separate package. Speak has 20MB of XML AIML files :)
[03:53] <dfarning> lfaraone, +1
[03:57] <dfarning> lfaraone, just got a segfault while closing surf.
[03:57] <lfaraone> dfarning: ah, that's exciting. just surf, though, right?
[03:57] <dfarning> lfaraone, yes
[03:57] <satellit_> I am doing install in laptop with no HD as last time I installed it chained grub from internal hd be a few minutes...
[03:58] <lfaraone> dfarning: hm. how'd that work? :)
[03:59] <dfarning> lfaraone, apport caught the segfault and I am sending it to LP
[04:04] <dfarning> lfaraone, satellit_ manusheel good night see you in a couple of hours.
[04:05] <lfaraone> dfarning: I'm going to reject speak at the moment, it depends on py-cjson without actually requiring it in the source.
[04:05] <lfaraone> dfarning: (per jonas's mail) make sense?
[04:05] <satellit_> good night......1/2 way thru install
[04:14] <lfaraone> Good lord, the AIML files shipped with speak are rather... inappropreate?
[04:56]  * lfaraone -> sleep.
[04:57] <satellit_> sugar-surf-activity_115-1_all.deb seems to work here  installed  from terminal sudo dpkg --install /media/LIVE/sugar-surf-activity_115-1_all.deb  (My mounted 2nd USB) had to log out and log in to see icon on f3 ring
[04:58] <satellit_> utube google mail google maps ok
[04:58] <satellit_> plus activities ASLO
[04:59] <satellit_> it might br nice to have wget link for DL and install.
[05:00]  * satellit_ used surf-115 to download terminal 31.xo so I could do this. I then erased surf-115.xo from journal. then did dpkg command to install the .deb file
[05:01] <satellit_> "boot stapping !"
[05:01] <satellit_> off to bed....nite
[05:07] <USRUSB-8e86> test
[05:10] <satellit___> test
[05:10] <satellit___> test
[05:10] <satellit_> irc does not send
[11:57] <dfarning> lucian, I got the following segfault in surf on maverick last night https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/624401
[11:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624401 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "sugar-activity crashed with SIGSEGV in PyEval_EvalFrameEx() (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[11:58] <dfarning> lucian, is this the know segfault?
[11:58] <lucian> dfarning: i think so. when did it segfault?
[12:00] <dfarning> lucian, it ran for about 45 minutes of normal browser usage:)  but segfaulted on closing:(  I don't know if the segfault in closing are related.
[12:00] <dfarning> s/in/and/
[12:00] <lucian> dfarning: hmm. when it closes it writes all history to the journal and all that
[12:01] <lucian> segfaults often happen when messing with the history
[12:01] <lucian> on all other platforms however, it segfaults as soon as you navigate to a single page
[12:02] <dfarning> lucian, I used surf as a normal browser for over 45 minutes without problems.... so it is getting close:)
[12:03] <lucian> dfarning: it's a peculiar anomaly that it doesn't immediately crash on ubuntu
[12:03] <lucian> memory is still being violated, ubuntu just doesn't seem to care much
[12:03] <lucian> did you happen to switch to another activity during this time?
[12:04] <lucian> that should crash it as well
[12:04] <satellit_> good morning
[12:04] <dfarning> lucian, let me try
[12:07] <dfarning> lucian, was swithcing between terminial and surf.... terminal segfaulted.
[12:07] <dfarning> satellit_, good morning.
[12:08] <lucian> dfarning: wait, what? terminal?
[12:09] <satellit_> I have 8 gb USB install of 825 5unning. Installed with update checkbox. Is there anything I should test?
[12:09] <satellit_> s/running
[12:09] <satellit_> surf as deb
[12:10] <dfarning> lucian, I open both the terminal and surf activities inside sugar emulator.  Was running random commands in terminal and browsing my normal sites
[12:11] <lucian> when switching away from surf, surf should segfault because it's trying to write the history to the journal
[12:11] <dfarning> lucian, after swithing back and forth a few times apport reported that terminal had died.
[12:11] <lucian> but terminal segfaulting, that's new
[12:11] <satellit_> david how did you install terminal in 825?
[12:11] <dfarning> satellit_, I am using a normal ubuntu maverick install.
[12:12] <dfarning> satellit_, thus I can install all of the activities via apt-get.
[12:12] <satellit_> I am using 825 and it has no activities that work
[12:12] <satellit_> apt does not seem to be installed here
[12:12] <satellit_> error...it is
[12:13] <satellit_> I am using terminal-31 .xo
[12:14] <satellit_> from ASLO  maybe I need to install with terminal....command?
[12:17] <satellit_> what is the terminal package called in apt-get?
[12:19] <satellit_> apt-get install sugar* gives a list of a lot of activities.....should I install them?
[12:23] <dfarning> satellit_, yes try apt-get install sugar*
[12:24] <satellit_> got list installing sugar-terminal-activity all 28-1
[12:25] <satellit_> ok doing all
[12:25] <dfarning> satellit_, can you file a bug in launch pad  against sugar .88 requesting that all packaged activites be install by default on USR.
[12:26] <satellit_> ok let me test first.....
[12:27] <satellit_> wordlist,dc_debconf_select does not correspond to any package error
[12:27] <satellit_> comma after wordlist
[12:28] <dfarning> satellit_, sorry if that is more work then just letting us know via IRC.... But we are trying to develop proper QA processes. If things work out, neeraj will fix the issue this afternoon and upload it.  Then I will do a new build.
[12:29] <dfarning> satellit_, how about trying  apt-get install sugar-*-activity
[12:29] <dfarning> satellit_, I think you are getting sugarplum as part of the wild card.... not sure what it is but I have seen the error before.
[12:30] <satellit_> same thing occurs in fedora add remove programs
[12:31] <satellit_> is there an apt-package command like @ in fedora for sugar?
[12:32] <dfarning> satellit_, speaking of thing to test.  Would you like to test the install process?  We can go over that and I can fix things as you report them:) or we can file bugs for later.
[12:33] <dfarning> satellit_, I have not seen a @ command related to apt-get
[12:33] <satellit_> still installing
[12:34] <satellit_> I have repeated your "request all packaged activities be installed by default on USR" on bug anything else I should add?
[12:35] <satellit_> can you install yum in ubuntu?
[12:37] <dfarning> satellit_, no yum in the .deb world.  they use apt-get.
[12:38] <satellit_> is there a sugar group name to request?
[12:38] <dfarning> satellit_, can you send a link to the bug you just filed?
[12:39] <satellit_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/624592
[12:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624592 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "request all packaged activities be installed by default on USR (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[12:41] <dfarning> satellit_, thanks it was just taking a while to propagate.
[12:42] <satellit_> yw installed sugar* rebooting USB
[12:44] <dfarning> satellit_, ok I updated the status of the bug.
[12:45] <satellit_> flipsticks 1 log viewer 6 slider puzzle 5 turtle art 31 calculate 30 chat 66 connect 22 memorize 34 jigsaw puzzle 8 poll 26 write 70 pippy 36 physics 5 plus terminal 31 read 86 irc 5 surf 115 (deb?) sugar commander (.xo)
[12:47]  * satellit_ on my USB now
[12:49] <satellit___> this is USR 825
[12:49] <dfarning> satellit_, can you go though the install process and see if there are errors on the various screen? Do the options work? Does running as a live image from a usb stick work?
[12:49] <satellit___> dfarning: I am on a toshiba 8 GB USB now
[12:50] <satellit___> installed from 825
[12:51] <satellit___> need to install to USB so can log out and log in again...have to have user and password (setup for autologin) installed with updates checkbox
[12:51] <satellit___> works fine. Install take appreciably longer than HD...
[12:53] <satellit___> with 823 I did mp3 and non free checkbox It seemed to work OK did not try it though
[12:53] <dfarning> satellit_nice it did not run via usb of a while.  Must have been a kernel bug.
[12:53] <satellit___> used use whole disk option
[12:54] <satellit___> why would it not It is a HD to the installer is it not?
[12:55] <satellit___> Caution....It aggregates all HD in grub so I used a laptop w/ Hd so it would not require USB to boot laptop HD...:(
[12:55] <satellit___> at least this happened to me in the past with ubuntu install....: (
[12:56] <satellit___> no HD on this laptop (hp Turion 64 x2)
[12:56] <satellit___> AMD
[12:56] <dfarning> satellit_ I am not sure what you mean.
[12:57] <satellit_> It moved grub to USB then could not boot laptop if USB not installed   nasty
[12:57] <satellit_> 2 lines in grub HD second line
[12:58] <satellit_> not sure I want to test here....
[12:59] <dfarning> satellit_ok, I'll test that.
[12:59] <satellit_> (reading google news on surf...no problems with IRC running
[13:00] <satellit_> that occured in 9.10 ubuntu on my dell 520n (main machine)
[13:04] <satellit_> dfarning: I ran update on Control panel do I want to do it? shows 5 updates   (is it for your repo ?)
[13:06] <satellit_> Chat works bruno joined
[13:06] <dfarning> satellit_ no, we want to use 'apt-get update' to update activites.  Can you file a bug?
[13:06] <satellit_> ok....
[13:07] <dfarning> satellit_ can you send me a list of the available updates?  we will make new packages for them.
[13:10] <satellit_> pippy 36>37 calculate 30>32 Turtle Art 31>96 slider puzzle 5>8 flipsticks 1>6
[13:11] <satellit_> 3.7 MB
[13:12] <satellit_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/624612
[13:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624612 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "Contol panel:My Settings/Software update should point to USR repository (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:15] <dfarning> satellit_ ok forwarded new package list.
[13:16] <satellit_> sharing surf on f1 neighborhood 2 bookmarks. not sure any one can join!
[13:22] <dfarning> satellit_ Making a new build to test the install menu.  The menu will be generated dynamicly rather than hard coded.  It will make building updates easier.
[13:22] <satellit_> ok
[13:31] <satellit_> breakfast -afk
[13:57] <dfarning> manusheel, good morning
[13:58] <manusheel> dfarning: Good morning.
[13:58] <dfarning> manusheel, yesterdays build worked so I am doing some clean up in the build process.
[13:58] <manusheel> dfarning: Development on scratch project is indeed interesting.
[13:58] <manusheel> dfarning: Great. Yes, the build system worked, which is neat.
[13:59] <dfarning> manusheel, yes I hope someone picks it up.
[13:59] <dfarning> what do you have planed for today
[13:59] <manusheel> dfarning: Yes, I have a plan for today.
[14:00] <manusheel> dfarning: Will be helping Anubhav, Jatin and Abhinav to re-implement the uploading of XO files using django.
[14:00] <manusheel> dfarning: Then, working with Anurag and Ayush on developing patches in bugs.sugarlabs.org.
[14:00] <manusheel> Will be sharing a workflow doc with you.
[14:01] <manusheel> dfarning: Allocating the marketing team the list of resources they have to go through. Will be discussing with you on it too.
[14:02] <manusheel> dfarning: We have a USR release coming up. So, will get the packages part done today along with bugs.
[14:02] <manusheel> dfarning: On API documentation front, Kandarp will be sending the revised patch to sugar-devel mailing list. Completed his activity. Will be uploaded at gitorious.
[14:03] <manusheel> dfarning: How about you? What are you planning for today?
[14:04] <manusheel> dfarning: Between, we have listed down all the projects within E-Paath activity. The content development team will be cherry picking the top 10 out of them.
[14:05] <manusheel> dfarning: In reference to Karma, it has not been working lately. Taking heavy time to load as reported by Sarvagya.
[14:06] <dfarning> manusheel, this morning I will work on the USR build system, general bug fixing then learn to building dextrose this evening.
[14:07] <manusheel> dfarning: Can you copy/paste the steps that you'll be following in an e-mail. Will add in a document for deployment team.
[14:08] <dfarning> manusheel, sounds like a good plan.
[14:08] <manusheel> dfarning: Will help in knowledge transfer, and competency in this area of focus. I remember what you said about working with build systems. There is no good book for it. You learn as you work on it.
[14:10] <dfarning> manusheel, I am trying to get the build process down to single command 'sudo time usr-scratch.sh all i386'
[14:10] <dfarning> manusheel, as I fix stuff I will comment the code.  Everything happens in a single script.
[14:11] <dfarning> manusheel, do you have time now to go over marketing?
[14:12] <manusheel> dfarning: That would be wonderful. Will help in understanding things better.
[14:12] <manusheel> dfarning: Sure.
[14:14] <dfarning> manusheel,  Lets switch to private chat as this will be a non-technical discussion.  Just to clarify that we have a wall between technical and business stuff tech in pubic and business in private.
[14:14] <satellit_> defarning: USR-i386-20100804.iso having Gnome and sugar was nice also any chance of making an .iso with both (gdm login for sugar or gnome)?
[14:17] <dfarning> satellit_ it is trivial:) can you file a bug requesting adding gnome to USR? thanks
[14:28] <satellit_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/624641
[14:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624641 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "Request add Gnome to USR in separate build (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:38] <dfarning> satellit_ just saw it thanks.
[14:39] <satellit_> yw   should be separate build?  (more work for you....)
[14:40] <satellit_> any way to list all sugar activities and dependencies as a name for apt-get?  (avoid unrelated installs)
[14:41] <satellit_> sugar* brings in others
[14:45] <dfarning> satellit_ 'apt-get install sugar-*-activity' will get them all
[14:45] <satellit_> ok good to know. I sent e-mail to you with screen shot of waht got installed with sugar*
[14:45] <satellit_> s/what
[14:49] <satellit___> no segfaults here on surf-115 .deb had IRC and surf on google news
[14:51] <dfarning> satellit_ what happens when you close surf?
[14:57] <satellit_> It shuts down directly with-out journal naming screen  restarts fine from journal instance....with bookmarks
[14:59] <satellit_> journal > has screen shot snapshot and title I used on top line
[15:00] <satellit_> f3 drop down has list of old views could open earlier web page view
[15:13] <satellit_> afk
[15:29] <dfarning> satellit_ok thanks can you download and test the latest current?
[15:29] <dfarning> satellit_do you use zsync? it is pretty hand!
[15:29] <dfarning> handy!
[15:30] <satellit_> downloading now
[15:34] <dfarning> satellit_ the only thing I changed was the install menu.  everything else is the same.
[15:37] <satellit_> ok will look....I will be off line fri and sat FYI
[15:37] <dfarning> satellit_ enjoy your weekend and thanks for your help.
[15:38] <satellit___> : )
[15:38] <satellit___> still here today though 7:50 am day is young
[15:43] <satellit___> 3 hrs 54 min for DL...50KB/sec very slow I usually have 10x this speed
[16:21] <lfaraone> dfarning: would satellit___ 's request for a GDM option be better targeted against USR rather than sugar?
[16:22] <dfarning> lfaraone, It think it will end up being a setting in usr-settings.
[16:23] <dfarning> lfaraone, I am not sure what it should be files against.
[16:23] <lfaraone> dfarning: well, it's not a Sugar bug. And I don't think we want ubuntu-sugar-remix (package) to dep on GNOME...
[16:25] <dfarning> lfaraone, +1
[16:26] <satellit_> defarning: I was thinking of a separate gnome-sugar build for USR-Gnome .iso
[16:26] <satellit_> i guess apt-get install gnome* will work if needed
[16:27] <lfaraone> satellit_: that is a bad idea.
[16:27] <dfarning> lfaraone,  satellit_ maybe it can be part of the iso preseed process. Will need to figure that out.
[16:27] <lfaraone> satellit_: there are 212 packages that would qualify for that regexp.
[16:27] <satellit_> selection on install screen?
[16:27] <satellit_> checkbox...
[16:28] <satellit_> then not on live CD
[16:28] <dfarning> satellit_ Yes, that is want preseed would buy us.
[16:28] <satellit_> : )
[16:29] <satellit_> live user should be ubuntu so can log back in on CD (autologon)
[16:29] <dfarning> The image would be sugar only.  But the iso could contain a subset of gnome packages in the pool which could install gnome at install time.
[16:30] <satellit_> +1
[16:30] <dfarning> that is worth looking into.
[16:31] <satellit_> then can make install to USB or HD with or without gnome
[16:31] <dfarning> satellit_ are you ready to figure out how to solve the user log in problem?
[16:31] <satellit_> how? I suggest change in live user name to ubuntu
[16:32] <dfarning> satellit_possibly?  need to see about size constrainst.
[16:32] <satellit_> as you have 7 logged in already
[16:32] <satellit_> should be autologon if possible
[16:32] <dfarning> satellit_what do you mean we have 7 logged in already?
[16:32] <lfaraone> satellit_: It's already called "ubuntu"...
[16:33] <lfaraone> dfarning: he means that on TTY{1..6} "ubuntu" is logged in to the shell
[16:33] <satellit_> lfaraone but it is live ...xxx.xxx on autologon in CD
[16:33] <dfarning> lfaraone, ok.
[16:33] <lfaraone> satellit_: that's the User "Name", not the username :)
[16:33] <satellit_> ok
[16:34] <satellit_> if you log off from sugar in USR you cannot log back in.....unless you know it is ubuntu
[16:35] <satellit_> on live CD
[16:35] <dfarning> satellit_ do you have gnome installed?
[16:36] <satellit_> not yet. Will do if you give me better apt-get command than gnome*
[16:36] <satellit_> USB is running
[16:36] <satellit___> here
[16:38] <satellit_> with sugar-emulator?
[16:39] <dfarning> satellit_ to install gnome you should be able to apt-get install gnome . gnome is a meta package that will pull in the needed parts of gnome.
[16:40] <satellit_> also be nice to install ubuntu Hardware drivers application for wireless install in USR
[16:40] <satellit_> installin gnome.gnome now..
[16:41] <dfarning> satellit_, 'sudo apt- get install gnome'
[16:41] <dfarning> satellit_, 'sudo apt-get install gnome'
[16:42] <satellit_> sudo su works here
[16:42] <dfarning> ok
[16:44] <satellit_> gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (>= 1:2.28+lubuntu3) but is not going to be installed   Depends: swfdec-mozilla but is not installable E: broken packages
[16:45] <satellit_> --skip-broken command in apt-get?
[16:46] <lfaraone> dfarning: I think that having a "switch to GNOME" option would be nice to display in s-control-panel. If the user doesn't have GNOME installed, we could say "hi, want to install base-set-of-gnome-packages?", and if they're not an admin ask them to install it.
[16:46] <dfarning> satellit_,  please try 'vim /etc/apt/sources.list' and post the results.
[16:47] <satellit_> vim not found
[16:48] <dfarning> lfaraone, that was my thought also. I think the default olpc release has icons to switch back and forth. we can just add a hook
[16:48] <satellit_> gedit works
[16:48] <lfaraone> dfarning: right.
[16:48] <dfarning> satellit_, ok gedit then
[16:48] <dfarning> satellit_,  please try 'gedit /etc/apt/sources.list' and post the results.
[16:48] <lfaraone> dfarning, satellit_, yeah, "gnome" is not installable in Maverick right now.
[16:49] <dfarning> lfaraone, that is messed up:)
[16:49] <lfaraone> dfarning: it's a bug, because swfdec-gnome is a virtual package :)
[16:50] <dfarning> lfaraone, ok.
[16:52] <lfaraone> dfarning: so right now I'm not planning on approving any of the pending Sugar packages unless their deps accurately reflect what they use. \
[16:52] <dfarning> lfaraone, +1.
[16:53] <satellit_> dfarning: sent e-mail with sources.lst
[16:53] <satellit_> s/list
[16:54] <satellit_> had to save as to 2nd USB and then transfer here
[16:54] <lfaraone> dfarning: as is, do you want me to work on prepping the Firefox wrapper? (since that's the least likely to ha ve bugs, and probably the most straightforward)
[16:55] <dfarning> satellit_, ok sources.list looks good.  On the build machine I used some local package caching... just wanted to make sure that it did not leak though.
[16:56] <dfarning> lfaraone, +1
[16:56] <satellit_> dfarning: gedit open in sudo su # is this a security issue?
[16:56] <lfaraone> satellit_: I'm not sure what you mean.
[16:56] <lfaraone> dfarning: okay, I'll put surf on hold then until somebody's able to get the crasher problems fixed. (and surf doesn't support cookies, does it?)
[16:56] <satellit_> I can open control files..... will kids find this out and mess up USR
[16:57] <lfaraone> satellit_: it's a liveCD, so it'll be wiped on reboot.
[16:57] <satellit_> ok
[16:57] <lfaraone> satellit_: and for local installs, you should c onfigure additional users for students
[16:57] <lfaraone> satellit_: if the first created user *didn't* have sudo, how would you install applications?
[16:58] <satellit_> what is command from sugar-terminal ? to do so....
[16:58] <lfaraone> satellit_: sudo adduser USERNAME
[16:58] <satellit_> useradd is complicated
[16:58] <lfaraone> satellit_: adduser, not useradd. <_<;
[16:58] <satellit_> help is dauunting.....
[16:58] <satellit_> ok will try
[16:59] <dfarning> satellit_, back to your orginal issue autologin....
[16:59] <satellit_> yes
[17:00]  * lfaraone -> lunch.
[17:00] <dfarning> satellit_, the fix with be determine what gconf setting control autologin and adding that conf setting to usr-setting
[17:00] <satellit_> soas.ks:
[17:00] <satellit_> # Set up auto-login for for liveuser
[17:00] <satellit_> cat >> /etc/gdm/custom.conf << FOE
[17:00] <satellit_> [daemon]
[17:00] <satellit_> AutomaticLoginEnable=true
[17:00] <satellit_> AutomaticLogin=liveuser
[17:00] <satellit_> FOE
[17:01] <dfarning> satellit_, we need to figure out how to add that to usr.
[17:01] <dfarning> satellit_, or something like it.
[17:03] <satellit_> http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/AutoLogin.txt  also
[17:03] <dfarning> satellit_, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutoLogin and LiveCDCustomization for hints on how to do by manually setting gconf
[17:04] <satellit_> gdm schemas
[17:04] <satellit_> also can edit IRC activity to add ubuntu-sugarteam if you want rather than oplc help and sugar
[17:05] <satellit_> works fine
[17:05] <dfarning> satellit_, I am off to lunch yes, please do that.  do you know how to make a patch?
[17:06] <satellit_> no but I can send altered .py file by e-mail
[17:11] <satellit_> /home/(user)Activities/IRC.activity/ircactivity.py   you just edit line client.add channel ('#sugar') copy paste new lines and change to ('#ubuntu-sugarteam')  for .xo install  use /usr/share/sugar/activities/... for installed rpm.s
[17:11] <satellit_> same procedure.
[17:13] <satellit_> done  easy to do on running system....: )
[17:14] <satellit_> auto logon fixed....with gedit in sudo su
[17:15] <satellit_> dfarning: lfaraone: should ship IRC this way when it is in USR install
[17:17] <dfarning> alsroot,  can you take a minute and explain to satellit_how to make a patch?  He has just made two useful changes that we should apply.
[17:17] <alsroot> dfarning: sure
[17:18] <satellit_> alsroot: he is at lunch...wish checkbox in IRC tab for autologon worked
[17:18] <dfarning> alsroot, I am not sure how or where we should apply them.... but we can leave that for later.
[17:18] <alsroot> satellit_: did you make changes in git local repo?
[17:19] <satellit_> alsroot I am novice at git....
[17:19]  * alsroot reads backlog
[17:19] <dfarning> aslroot thanks.  These are just minor changes to some conf files.
[17:19] <satellit_> I have used it only 1 time for modified browse for soas
[17:19] <satellit_> index.html
[17:20] <dfarning> kandarpk, morning... manusheel said you are ready to push your activity!
[17:20] <satellit_> changed for info link at top to soas-v4-mangolassi
[17:20] <kandarpk> dfarning: good morning
[17:21] <alsroot> satellit_: do you want send this patch to browse maint or just use it in USR package?
[17:22] <kandarpk> dfarning: I'll push it and keep on updating it side by side.
[17:22] <satellit_> only for USR I would think unless you want a lot of traffic.....: )
[17:22] <dfarning> kandarpk, see you soon. I am off to lunch.... Manu had a big todo list for me so I had to be working by 5 this morning.
[17:22] <dfarning> kandarpk, congrats
[17:22] <kandarpk> dfarning: see you.
[17:22] <kandarpk> dfarning: and thanks.
[17:23] <satellit_> alsroot: I just edited out olp-help and substituted #ubuntu-sugarteam on line.....simple
[17:23] <satellit_> s/oplc-help
[17:24] <alsroot> satellit_: ok, just be in browse sources directory, and exec `git diff` > "patch-file-name-here"
[17:25] <satellit_> alsroot: I am very nubie on  git...please take it over if you would  : )
[17:25]  * satellit_ I am a tester mainly...
[17:25] <alsroot> satellit_: did you just change index.html just in ~/Activities?
[17:26] <alsroot> i.e. installed Browse and changed inde.html
[17:28] <alsroot> satellit_: or if you want just share your file, I will prepare patch
[17:29] <satellit_> alsroot: I have a feature for v4 soas called modified browse" It has been accepted...git done...looking for link
[17:29] <satellit_> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Revised_Browse_default-bookmarks.html
[17:31] <satellit_> I think it is done....what david wanted was a modified ircactivity.py with changed log in to sugar and ubuntu-sugarteam
[17:31] <satellit_> for USR.
[17:32] <satellit_> modified browse feature could also be used for USR info link I guess but that is separate item
[17:32] <satellit_> thanks
[17:33] <satellit_> git for soas-v4 http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/browse/repos/satellits_clone_browse_homepage/commits/6ef532f13cfad5fdf82811764168d5d8c98a8178
[17:36] <alsroot> satellit_: if you need to do the same for USR, you need clone repo (I guess you need trunk, since your soas commit won't be visible for usr people), i.e. `git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/browse/mainline.git browse-for-usr`
[17:36] <satellit_> alsroot: I will leave that to david to do if he wants it for USR
[17:37] <alsroot> satellit_: ok, so you need to patch irc only?
[17:37] <satellit_> yes for now.... thanks  (for USR)
[17:38] <alsroot> satellit_: did you your changes already in irc?
[17:39] <satellit_> but IRC is not packaged yet for ubuntu....
[17:39] <satellit_> yes changed on my USB here.
[17:40] <alsroot> satellit_: so you need only prepare irc patch to send it to usr people?
[17:40] <satellit_> yes
[17:40] <alsroot> satellit_: on your usb, is it just activity in ~/Activities directory or it is git clone?
[17:42] <satellit_> /home/(user)/Activities/IRC.activity/ircactivity.py   " client.add_channel ('#ubuntu-sugarteam')  add this line
[17:43] <satellit_> will be in /usr/share/sugar/Activities if an rpm installed with USR
[17:43] <alsroot> satellit_: do you have original file?
[17:44] <satellit_> I can copy and sent it to you or list.
[17:44] <alsroot> satellit_: well, better to send a patch,..
[17:45] <alsroot> satellit_: ok, being in IRC.activity dir, exec
[17:47] <alsroot> diff -Naur <origin-file> <new-file> > <patch-file>
[17:47] <satellit_> alsroot sending file to list
[17:47] <satellit_> modified to work
[17:48] <satellit_> sent to lists and to david and you by e-mail
[17:49] <alsroot> ok
[18:03] <satellit_> alsroot: thanks for all of your help.....
[18:04]  * alsroot did nothing :)
[18:10] <kandarpk> alsroot: around ?
[18:10] <alsroot> kandarpk: yup
[18:11] <kandarpk> alsroot: activity.py uses 'from modules import *'
[18:12] <kandarpk> and has class DevTutorActivity
[18:12] <kandarpk> alsroot: how can I access methods under DevTutorActivity from modules ?
[18:13] <kandarpk> I am not able to import DevToturActivity in modules file
[18:13] <alsroot> kandarpk: "import *" is not good practice (in general), better to list all imported names
[18:14] <alsroot> kandarpk: btw do you mean that there is circular deps between modules.* and DevTutorActivity?
[18:15] <kandarpk> alsroot: yes
[18:15] <alsroot> kandarpk: well, thats only not so good thing :)
[18:15] <alsroot> s/only/also/
[18:15] <alsroot> kandarpk: better to avoid circular deps between modules by design
[18:16] <kandarpk> alsroot: actually modules displays list of modules, and I want to add a back button to get back to main options
[18:17] <alsroot> kandarpk: in that case, would be useful to have a signal on widgets in modules, main class will connect to it
[18:18] <alsroot> ..and after receiving a singnal will close/or-so current modules
[18:20] <kandarpk> alsroot: I didn't completely understand the widgets part
[18:22] <alsroot> kandarpk: the idea is simple, instead of calling a method from parent widget, child widget create a signal and emit it, parent widget will know about action by receiving this signal
[18:22] <alsroot> s/instead of calling a method from parent widget/instead of calling parent method from child widget/
[18:24] <dfarning> satellit_, I got your modified file.  I was hoping you would make a quick patch.... both to learn how and because it is a great way to communication with developers.
[18:24] <kandarpk> alsroot: OK, I remember seeing the emit call in some modules.
[18:25] <alsroot> kandarpk: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/gtk-Signals.html
[18:25] <dfarning> hey ankur, what do you have going on today?
[18:34] <ankur> dfarning,  hi . I was studying the code for control panel as of now
[18:34] <ankur> creating documentation for same
[18:34] <dfarning> nice
[18:34] <dfarning> ankur, is this for a bug?
[18:35] <satellit_> dfarning: git scares me....mchua hand led me thru one patch I did....: (
[18:36] <dfarning> satellit_,  no need to use git just the original file and the modified file in the same dir.
[18:36] <satellit_> ? do not understand what directory...
[18:37] <dfarning> satellit_, go to the dir that contains ircactivity.irc
[18:37] <ankur> dfarning,  well , yes and no. i was studying control panel for that restart bug that was assigned to me and better understanding as well.In case we have some control panel related bugs
[18:38] <dfarning> ankur, there allready are two
[18:38] <ankur> dfarning,  what?
[18:38] <ankur> dfarning,  oh what i meant was more bugs :)
[18:39] <dfarning> ankur, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/617582
[18:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617582 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "When opening the control panel some icons are cut off . (affects: 2) (heat: 338)" [High,In progress]
[18:40] <dfarning> ankur, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/617580
[18:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617580 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "modem configuration should not be visible if no modem is present (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed]
[18:40] <dfarning> satellit_, oop ircactivity.py  the file you changed.
[18:41] <ankur> dfarning,  the first one 617582 was worked upon by neeraj , if  i remember
[18:42] <dfarning> ankur, yep you can work together since you are the control panel guy
[18:42] <satellit_> dfarning: I am not up on USB at the moment need a few minutes to finish test I am doing on CD of soas spin
[18:42] <dfarning> satellit_, sure
[18:42] <ankur> dfarning,  that sounds more feasible , i will get in contact with him sa soon as he comes online
[18:43] <ankur> dfarning,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/615080
[18:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615080 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "Sugar emulator requires restart even when small changes are made in Control Panel (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress]
[18:44] <dfarning> ankur, ahh yes that one
[18:44] <ankur> currently i was studying how feasible is that :)
[18:44] <ankur> or how it can be done
[18:46] <ankur> dfarning,  one more thing , are we still going to implement debugging if apport is on?
[18:47] <ankur> i mean , some days back , on mailing list , it was told that it was not a good idea to enable debugging
[18:49] <dfarning> ankur, yes but we will look at how much information with we share by default.
[18:51] <ankur> dfarning,  well how will we go for it.Shall i post on mailing list as that bug too was assigned to me.
[18:52] <dfarning> ankur, what was the bug number
[18:53] <ankur> dfarning, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/617818
[18:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617818 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "Logging should be turned on in Sugar if Apport is enabled (affects: 2) (heat: 18)" [Medium,In progress]
[18:55] <dfarning> ankur, the patch looks good can you ask luke to push it in to ubuntu.  we can worry about upstream later.
[18:55] <ankur> dfarning,  well nobody reviewed it as of now
[18:55] <ankur> :(
[18:55] <ankur> oops
[18:55] <ankur> you did now
[18:55] <dfarning> ankur, then ask for a review on sugarteam
[18:56] <ankur> dfarning,  doing that
[18:56] <dfarning> dfarning, I am not a good enough developer to review patches.... but alsroot is.
[18:57]  * alsroot looks into the ticket
[18:58] <ankur> alsroot,  thanks :)
[18:58] <ankur> dfarning,  do i still need to post it on the mailing list?
[18:59] <dfarning> ankur, please do.  The number one way of reducing the errors in code is peer review before commiting.
[19:00] <dfarning> ankur, we need to get in the habit of doing this right.
[19:00] <ankur> dfarning,  i haven't requested review before and this was my first patch  , what things do i need to keep in mind?
[19:01] <dfarning> ankur, send a message with subject [patch] and the name of the patch.
[19:02] <kandarpk> alsroot: gobject.signal_new("signal", ShowModules,
[19:02] <kandarpk>                        gobject.SIGNAL_RUN_LAST,
[19:02] <kandarpk>                        gobject.TYPE_NONE,
[19:02] <kandarpk>                        (gobject.TYPE_PYOBJECT))
[19:02] <kandarpk> alsroot: is this ok ?
[19:02] <dfarning> ankur, then include the patch as an inline attachment with a brief explanation of what problem the patch is supposed to solve.
[19:03] <ankur> dfarning,  okay , doing that :)
[19:03] <alsroot> ankur: the problem w/ patch is that it enables debug only if ~/.sugar/debug file is absent, in my mind, better to add check to sugar-base/src/sugar/logger.py
[19:05] <alsroot> kandarpk: better to follow sugar practice and use __gsignals__ notation, see e.g. sugar/src/jarabe/frame/clipboard.py
[19:06] <ankur> alsroot,  yes , shall i add a shell script to delete the debug file when it launches and palce it there again when running sugar.looking into logger.py
[19:06] <ankur> also
[19:07] <alsroot> ankur: heh, it could be even simpler, export SUGAR_LOGGER_LEVEL in sugar/bin/sugar.in
[19:08] <ankur> alsroot,  i would need to look for it but what will SUGAR_LOGGER_LEVEL do ?
[19:09] <ankur> if you dont mind :)
[19:09] <alsroot> ankur: it is logging level for sugar, so export it to SUGAR_LOGGER_LEVEL=debug
[19:10] <alsroot> ankur: as well as other useful envars from debug file
[19:10] <ankur> alsroot,  just that or it along with my previous patch.
[19:10] <ankur> i mean i would still need to check if apport is running or not
[19:11] <alsroot> ankur: yup, btw what "status" command is in "if status apport | grep -q start/running", cant find it in my system
[19:12] <ankur> Requests the status an instance of the named JOB, outputting  to    standard output.
[19:12] <ankur> well it does not run on your system?
[19:13] <alsroot> ankur: what package contain this command?
[19:14] <ankur> initctl may be......
[19:14] <ankur> need to confirm
[19:14] <alsroot> ankur: in anycase since this patch is ubuntu specific and status is installed out of the box, it is fine, I guess, to have it
[19:17] <ankur> alsroot,  looking in for making pacth to work.get back to you
[19:29] <ankur> alsroot,  i guess i will need to export all variables to sugar.in
[19:30] <ankur> that were present in .sugar/debug file along with the checking statement for apport status
[19:32] <ankur> alsroot,  also if we do that , the debug file will be redundant , shall we delete that as well?
[19:32] <alsroot> ankur: not sure if it is a good idea, debug file is a part of sugar infrastructure
[19:33] <alsroot> and users might want to explicitly disable logs
[19:34] <ankur> then if they want to disable logs, then we are enabling it by default ..
[19:34] <kandarpk> alsroot: can you please see http://paste.ubuntu.com/484095/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/484094/
[19:35] <kandarpk> alsroot: I am getting 'TypeError: object at 0xa7b2054 of type ShowModules is not initialized'
[19:35] <ankur> how will they do that
[19:35] <kandarpk> on clicking back button
[19:35] <ankur> we wont delete debug file but does remain redundant
[19:35] <ankur> *it does
[19:36] <ankur> alsroot, ^^
[19:36] <alsroot> ankur: users can set e.g. SUGAR_LOGGER_LEVEL=warning to not see debug messages
[19:37] <alsroot> kandarpk: is DevTutorActivity main/parent class?
[19:37] <kandarpk> alsroot: yes
[19:38] <alsroot> kandarpk: then you need to register back signal in ShowModules class, ShowModules object will emit it and DevTutorActivity will connect
[19:38] <ankur> i think i got you wrong .What we were supposed to do is that i will export the variables present in debug file in sugar.in if apport was enabled. Am i wrong or i got you right?
[19:38] <ishan> dfarning, hi
[19:39] <alsroot> ankur: right, but users might want to not see debug files
[19:39] <alsroot> ankur: i.e. debug will be enabled just by default
[19:39] <alsroot> s/debug files/debug messages/
[19:40] <ankur> alsroot,  okay and what would you suggest for that.It was just a temporary phase untill maverick was released AFAIK
[19:40] <ankur> i mean enabling debugging by default
[19:40] <alsroot> ankur: just export these envars in sugar.in (and do not tough debug file)
[19:40] <alsroot> *touch
[19:41] <ankur> alsroot,  okay :)
[19:42] <kandarpk> alsroot: how do I register it ?
[19:42] <alsroot> kandarpk: btw, your "ShowModules is not initialized" error means that you didn't call gobject.GObject.__init__ in ShowModules.__init__
[19:42] <kandarpk> just like I did in main ?
[19:42] <kandarpk> OK.
[19:42] <alsroot> kandarpk: yup
[19:44] <ishan> ankur, hi sir
[19:45] <ankur> ishan,  hi
[19:45] <ishan> dfarning, hi
[19:45] <kandarpk> alsroot: on clicking the back button nothing happens
[19:46] <alsroot> kandarpk: what are your new files
[19:47] <satellit_> dfarning get table in box on frstboot screen of 826 data and prog captions w/ numbers and letters below.....; ( looks like error codes
[19:48] <kandarpk> alsroot: main is same as before
[19:48] <kandarpk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/484095/
[19:48] <kandarpk> alsroot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/484103/
[19:49] <satellit_> get installer boot menu ? with esc
[19:50] <alsroot> kandarpk: but in main, you are connecting to its own signal(which is useless in this scenario), not to child
[19:51] <kandarpk> alsroot: OK.
[19:51] <satellit_> have to leave....good luck
[19:51] <kandarpk> alsroot: I dont even need to define gsignals in main then ?
[19:51] <alsroot> kandarpk: yup
[19:52] <kandarpk> alsroot: how do I specify the child signal in 'self.connect("back", self.show_options)' ?
[19:53] <alsroot> kandarpk: by "self.connect" you are connecting to "self", thus by "self.mod.connect" you are connecting to self.mod
[19:59] <kandarpk> alsroot: thanks, its working :)
[20:00] <alsroot> yw
[20:11] <kandarpk> dfarning: around ?
[20:18] <kandarpk> bernie: around ?
[20:23] <kandarpk> $ git push  --all git://git.sugarlabs.org/devtutor/mainline.git
[20:23] <kandarpk> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
[20:24] <bernie> kandarpk: sorry, I'm in airport
[20:24] <bernie> kandarpk: I'll be available tomorrow
[20:24] <kandarpk> bernie: np. :)
[23:33] <neeraj> dfarning, hi,
[23:33] <neeraj> log-0.86, irc, record, poll are working fine in Maverick. I have just finished them testing.
[23:33] <neeraj> But etoys has some dependency issue.
[23:34] <neeraj> s-etoys-a depends on 'etoys' which depends on 'squeak-vm'.
[23:35] <neeraj> When I tried to install squeak vm, then it again gave unmet dependency error. The same as in s-etoys-a.
[23:35] <dfarning> neeraj, sorry I have to leave for a family dinner:( will talk to you soon.
[23:35] <neeraj> dfarning, np
[23:35] <neeraj> sending email :)