[02:58] <J_P> hi all
[02:59] <J_P> Are there some dedicated page for ubuntu-server where has concetrated howtos, tutorial etc etc for setup services in ubuntu-server ?
[03:10] <spike> J_P: not really, best bet is using the search page on the wiki
[03:11] <J_P> spike: what wiki ?
[03:12] <spike> J_P: wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:13] <J_P> spike: thanks
[03:25] <mgalvin> i attempted to use tiger to scan my dapper machine but it hangs when running the system specific tests... has anyone else tried using these in dapper?
[04:25] <mgalvin> hmm, there seem to be a few issues with using the harden* packages.
[08:24] <mgalvin> does anyone know of a good reason why nagios would still depend on apache and not apache2?


[09:04] <lavish> hi guys
[09:05] <lavish> I'm looking for the wallpapers in the 12.04 and 11.10 release
[09:05] <lavish> are they available online?


[03:50] <zul> BenC: ping http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/virtualization/2007-January/001948.html
[03:51] <zul> we might able to do it now
[03:51] <zul> ill have to test
[03:52] <BenC> Can you send me the actual patches?
[03:53] <kylem> roq.
[03:54] <zul> sure...
[03:54] <zul> there is 20 of them though
[03:56] <zul> heh it will break kvm though
[04:11] <zul> BenC: http://zulinux.homelinux.net/ubuntu/xen-paravirt/
[04:13] <BenC> 492k of patches :/
[04:13] <kylem> ouch.
[04:13] <zul> yeah fun fun...and breaking of kvm
[04:14] <zul> and that is only domU
[04:16] <BenC> touches 44 stock kernel files
[04:16] <BenC> 42
[04:17] <zul> heh its getting better
[04:18] <BenC> zul: At first glance, I'll say this is a no go for our main git repo
[04:18] <BenC> should be great for a feisty 2.6.20 domU in universe though
[04:18] <zul> BenC: sure..
[04:19] <zul> ill just stop what im doing ;)
[05:25] <BenC> "KVM Paravirtualized OK"


[08:32] <TLE> Haaaaaaallo everyone :)
[08:33] <TLE> just handed in my thesis, so I'M BACK
[09:37] <dpm> welcome back TLE :) - and congratulations for handing in the thesis!
[09:38] <TLE> dpm: thanks
[09:38] <TLE> finally i bit of spare time again, and just in time for gnome and ubuntu translations :)
[09:53] <dpm> cool :)
[10:01] <TLE> yeah, I celebrated by (among other things) starting to program that proofreading app that I have been longing for during the past several years :)
[10:26] <andrejz> congratulations from me too, TLE. I hope i will be hand in my thesis in a good year or so :)
[10:52] <RawChid> Congratz TLE!  (I finished my thesis last week)
[10:52] <RawChid> We can shake hands :P
[11:00] <TLE> andrejz: thanks
[11:01] <TLE> RawChid: ahh what do you know, that's funny
[11:01]  * TLE shakes RawChid's hand
[11:12] <RawChid> What was your subject?
[11:16] <TLE> The structure sensitivity of CO dissociation on ruthenium surfaces (Keywords; Surface physics and Scanning Tunneling Microscopy), yours?
[11:39] <artnay> transifex had a major update: http://blog.transifex.net/2011/09/freemium/


[09:18] <xnox> Ubiquity vendorises all translations because it needs to have them all, despite being in main. And at build time we do want to strip them such that langpack translators translate ubiquity. And yes re-export needs to happen.


[01:09] <wdennis_> roaksoax: I think I know what's happened with SSH - I created a LV for home, formatted it, then mounted it - it's overlayed the /home that was there when the system was created. I'm assuming '/home/ubuntu' is not available now, which has the .ssh/authorized_users with the keys :(
[01:10] <wdennis_> So I suppose "game over", need to re-install....
[04:24] <mup> Bug #1733847 changed: same ip got assigned to two different container  <juju:Invalid> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733847>
[04:47] <wdennis_> yup, that was it... reinstalled and I'm good again
[12:11] <gunix> hey guys, any idea why deployment would fail if i deployed the 3rd time to the same host ?
[21:08] <mup> Bug #1757475 changed: include favicon for easy tab identification  <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757475>
[21:47] <mup> Bug #1753721 changed: clicking on "logs" for a deploying machine shoud bring you automatically to the "installation output" section <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753721>
[21:53] <mup> Bug #1753721 opened: clicking on "logs" for a deploying machine shoud bring you automatically to the "installation output" section <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753721>
[21:59] <mup> Bug #1753721 changed: clicking on "logs" for a deploying machine shoud bring you automatically to the "installation output" section <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753721>


[23:33] <chilts> morning
[23:36] <ibeardslee> hmm yeah morning
[23:38] <mwhudson> apparently
[23:38] <mwhudson> very dark earlier!


[22:54] <PCLine__> Is here a command to clean the Temp Files (or folder) ?
[23:50] <PCLine__> Never mind - I think its errors when booting up the Kernel.


[22:20] <dronov> Hello everyone! My name is Mike, I am new here :) I have a big desire to be a part of great worldwide community and contribute or maintain something, but new big achievements are easier to make with small steps. That's why I decided to start from maintaining some packages in Ubuntu (Debian). I work with Emdedded Linux everyday and use this simple tool to upload firmware to SPI chips. https://github.com/setarcos/ch341prog/ I have some contributions there
[22:20] <dronov> (not to big but enough to participate in Arctic Vault program, haha). Some of my friends (and ex-colleagues) feel themselves unhappy without an opportunity to install it from Ubuntu's repositories.
[22:20] <dronov> I contacted the author of ch341prog but have not yet received an answer from him to the question what does he think about me to maintain the package in Ubuntu/Debian. While I wait, I study guides, wikis, and other useful resources. I have already packed programs in deb packages, so I don't think it will take a lot of time to create a package.
[22:20] <dronov> As I see, more time will take to find a sponsor for help, review and upload the package. And here I have the main question. The fact is that original ch341prog has only one beta version made in the git repository created three years ago. A lot of things in code has changed since this time. I'm still waiting for a response from the author of ch341prog. But what should I do if I don't get it? The Packaging guide talks about using meaningful versions of a
[22:20] <dronov> package. Can the Ubuntu package's version differ from the upstream's code version of the git repository? Or maybe it will be more correct to create a fork if I will not receive any feedback from author? Of course I will wait some time, because it is right to ask author his opinion and create a new version of everything is okay. But the last commit in master was created about a year ago and I feel myself a little afraid.
[23:23] <Unit193> dronov: Howdy and welcome!  First off, yeah Debian is pretty much the way to go since then it would benefit both Ubuntu and Debian.  The fact it's only had one tag a few years ago is a bit concerning, but technically wouldn't stop you from packaging it.  With regards to that, you could just take a newer git snapshot (the version would look something like 0.4.1+git20160905.c185bc4-1)  If you do decide
[23:23] <Unit193> to push it for Debian and have any questions about it, there's a channel on the OFTC network, #debian-mentors that was created just for that purpose.


[04:21] <odarbelaeze> Hi, there
[18:21] <odra> Hey
[18:23] <odra> Can someone help me how apps work in ubuntu?
[18:24] <odra> about how*
[18:24] <odra> I'm a little confused about how localization and program settings work in linux :/
[18:31] <JanC> if by localisation you mean translations, usually gettext is used for that
[18:32] <JanC> other localisation options are usually handled by the C library and/or other libraries (e.g. the GUI libraries)
[18:32] <odra> JanC: I'm using that, but I heard localization and program settings should go into their specific directories in linux, and I don't really understand it's directory structure :S
[18:34] <JanC> translations get installed into /usr/share/locale/ (or probably a similar */share/locale/ location if installed under /opt or in your home)
[18:35] <JanC> but usually that happens more or less automatically by the build system  ;)
[18:36] <JanC> configuration files usually are under /etc/ or ~/.config/
[18:38] <JanC> possibly in a subdirectory under that, especially if there is more than one config file
[18:50] <odra> Build system?
[19:58] <Halite> I'd like to develop an app for Ubuntu
[20:03] <Halite> anyone
[20:06] <commandoline> Halite: see http://developer.ubuntu.com/ .
[20:07] <commandoline> odra: the automatic tools which compile your source code & put it in the right place on your system so it can be executed.
[20:16] <Halite> when the package been installed, what do I do


[21:38] <jono> hmmm
[21:38] <jono> testing Lernid
[21:38] <jono> such as http://www.ubuntu.com
[21:38] <jono> such as http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud
[21:39] <jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/
[22:56] <jono> :-)
[22:56] <jono> Lernid testing session kicks off soon
[22:59] <jono> alright, folks, who here is using Lernid?
[22:59] <jono> answer in the chatroom
[23:00] <ClassBot> Slides for Lernid Testing Session: http://people.ubuntu.com/~nhandler/slides/openweeklucid/UbuntuTranslations.pdf
[23:00] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/06/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[23:01] <jono> want to take it from here jsjgruber ?
[23:01] <jsjgruber> Hello everyone.
[23:03] <jono> I see the slide is loaded
[23:03] <jono> just going to test changing slides
[23:03] <jono> let us know if you see the slide change
[23:03] <jono> [SLIDE 2]
[23:03] <jono> [SLIDE 3]
[23:03] <jono> [SLIDE 4]
[23:04] <jono> can I ask a quick question - when I originally wrote Lernid, it would automatically change the tabs to the slide view if you were looking at another tab when a slide change or wb page was shown
[23:04] <jono> I think it should work that way, otherwise people might miss the slides or pages
[23:04] <jono> thoughts?
[23:05] <jsjgruber> I never noticed it work that way. I'll write it down.
[23:06] <jono> jsjgruber: yeah, someone wrote a patch to not switch slides, and I think a lot of people never see the slides display because they don't notice the tab go bold
[23:06] <jono> going to test looking at a website such as http://www.ubuntu.com
[23:07] <jono> works here
[23:08] <jono> [SLIDE 5]
[23:09] <jono> lets look at http://planet.ubuntu.com
[23:12] <ClassBot> jonobacon asked: is this a question?
[23:12] <jsjgruber> links should be underlined in blue and should be clickable
[23:12] <ClassBot> Darthpbal asked: question here
[23:13] <jono> jsjgruber want to discuss anything?
[23:13] <jsjgruber> I can probably run through a few of the things that changed
[23:14] <jono> sounds great!
[23:15] <jsjgruber> The first on my list was to look to make sure that nicks were both upper and lower case, does everyone see that for ClassBot?
[23:16] <jsjgruber> Another item is to use the Help->About box to check the version, it should be 0.8.1
[23:19] <jsjgruber> Is anyone running with a non-English locale? There are two translation mergers in the release, plus a change to some of the code related to gettext. This is an area I have particular trouble with. Since It appeared to me that Afrikans was a completely new set of translations I've been trying to test by starting lernid from the command line with:
[23:19] <jsjgruber> LANGUAGE=af lernid
[23:28] <jsjgruber> Is there anyone who wants to test but is running lucid?
[23:29] <nhandler> jsjgruber: Wouldn't the daily PPA work for that?
[23:30] <jsjgruber> nhandler, yes, I think there may be one in there
[23:32] <jsjgruber> When I tried to expand the Lernid window and then would quit, I expected it to start the next time with the expanded window. That wasn't working reliably and depended upon how Lernid was closed. Could you expand the window, give yourself more space for the top panel, and then pick a way to close? (By that I mean by menu item or clicking in the close box).
[23:33] <jsjgruber> Next restart Lernid, the screen should return to the same size as you had no matter how you quit from it. When you start it you might just see a slide loading progress message (authored by others) on the status bar at the very bottom left, and you should see a "Slides have been downloaded". There are other status messages that come up down there, too.
[23:38] <jsjgruber> switching web page to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom   does that come up again for folks? Someone had a problem with https:// addresses
[23:39] <jsjgruber> Does the screensize look right when you restart lernid after changing the screen size?
[23:47] <jsjgruber> There was also a minor logic error in a program parameter. Could you start
[23:47] <jsjgruber> lernid with both:
[23:47] <jsjgruber> lernid --classroom ubuntu-classroom
[23:47] <jsjgruber> and
[23:47] <jsjgruber> lernid --classroom \#ubuntu-classroom
[23:47] <jsjgruber> These should both work.
[23:47] <jsjgruber> If you have trouble, be user to bring lernid back the default way so you can continue along with us
[23:50] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[23:50] <jsjgruber> For the second case be sure to include the backslash so the shell doesn't mess you up
[23:52] <jsjgruber> Now for a couple of web page loads that gave lernid trouble:
[23:52] <jsjgruber> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lernid
[23:52] <jsjgruber> That one didn't crash lernid, but gave a traceback, and a scary message about lernid crashing on beta natty.
[23:52] <jsjgruber> Let's test flash in the web browser:
[23:52] <jsjgruber> http://youtube.com
[23:52] <jsjgruber> Please pick a video you like and try to play it. The quality, sync, etc. depends on the quality of the clip, but it shouldn't freeze Lernid.
[23:52] <jsjgruber> Any problems with Lernid while or shortly after starting the clip?
[23:53] <jsjgruber> I'll let anyone who wants try you tube first, and then I'll bring back 'let me google that for you'
[23:55] <jsjgruber> How are people doing? please respond in the chatroom.
[23:55] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[23:56] <jsjgruber> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lernid
[23:57] <jsjgruber> For this you should automatically go to google without a traceback message
[23:58] <jsjgruber> From others there are some translations of "Users #" above the chatroom window. German has it, for example, but not Afrikans.
[23:58] <jsjgruber> LANGUAGE=de lernid


[23:39] <hamitron> yeh, that is my me also awilkins
[23:39] <hamitron> :)
[23:39] <awilkins> I have the box set of "The Art of Computer Programming" coming soon. That should keep me busy.
[23:40] <hamitron> I am reading up on the skills required for making games....
[23:40] <hamitron> but I need entertainment still
[23:40] <jacobw> maths and maths and more maths as far as i can tell :p
[23:40] <hamitron> I like maths
[23:40] <hamitron> ;/
[23:40] <awilkins> Trig, matrices
[23:41] <hamitron> still torn between C and C++
[23:41] <hamitron> if to bother using SDL
[23:41] <jacobw> i do like maths, but i don't know as much as i should
[23:41] <awilkins> I think games tend to be C++ these days, but I know nothing.
[23:42] <jacobw> my knowledge is gleaned from reading about how andrew wiles solved fermats last theorum :|
[23:42] <hamitron> most are C++, yeh
[23:42] <hamitron> but I am familiar with C
[23:42] <hamitron> ;)
[23:42] <directhex> c is smelly
[23:42] <directhex> like bums
[23:42] <awilkins> And my C is very rusty (never really progressed past fooling with Amiga compilers)
[23:42] <directhex> bums that are smelly
[23:42] <hamitron> haha dh
[23:42] <directhex> not clean bums, obviously
[23:43] <hamitron> I could start coding something now, if I was to use C
[23:43] <hamitron> but I am thinking it would be better in the long run to learn C++ first
[23:43]  * jacobw makes a joke about introspection
[23:43] <directhex> c, like c++, has a specific use case. if you write gui code in c or c++, you're doing it wrong.
[23:43] <hamitron> then use fun projects to practice C++
[23:44] <awilkins> Yeah, no wonder wht all those game guys do is write a Lua engine and then write their game logic in Lua
[23:45] <directhex> or python, or c#
[23:45] <directhex> or something home-made
[23:45] <hamitron> or tcl
[23:45] <directhex> but yes, it's a good example. graphics backend in c(++), anything user-centric in a higher-level language the designers can write in
[23:46] <awilkins> Did anything come of that game where you could send units back to the past?
[23:46] <directhex> hamitron, i've never seen a game with tcl in it
[23:46] <awilkins> And they could fight alongside themselves?
[23:46] <directhex> awilkins, i've only seen that in puzzle games
[23:46] <hamitron> directhex: I think one of my books uses it for the scripting part
[23:46] <awilkins> this was an RTS
[23:47] <awilkins> Forgotten it's name.
[23:47] <hamitron> it does :D
[23:47] <ali1234> wasn't that red alert 2?
[23:47] <hamitron> "Programming Linux Games" by John R. Hall
[23:48] <directhex> maddog?
[23:48] <awilkins> That was just an effect that made a unit immune to damage for a while - this is a full on proper time-travel RTS with timelines and butterfly effect
[23:49] <jacobw> time travelling RTS :o
[23:49] <hamitron> I recall something about that
[23:49] <jacobw> ordinary RTS fry my brain enough
[23:50] <awilkins> Achron
[23:50] <ali1234> so is there any good rts game on linux?
[23:51] <ali1234> maybe a mod for spring with sensible graphics?
[23:51] <hamitron> something 2100
[23:51] <awilkins> There's a port of Earth 2100
[23:51] <ali1234> played that one
[23:51] <jacobw> running linux is an rts game in itself :p
[23:51] <directhex> the new oil rig thing?
[23:51] <hamitron> haha
[23:51] <ali1234> it's called warzone 2100
[23:52] <hamitron> yeh warzone, it worth playing?
[23:52] <ali1234> it's too complicated
[23:52] <andylockran> hey guys
[23:52] <hamitron> I heard similar from others
[23:52] <hamitron> :/
[23:52] <jacobw> i think i remember playing warzone 2100 on the ps1?
[23:52] <andylockran> I've installed an entropykey and have ekeyd listening on external ip port 888
[23:52] <andylockran> 8888
[23:52] <ali1234> yeah it was commercial, went open source
[23:52] <jacobw> cool :)
[23:53] <ali1234> i like RTS games where i can implicitly understand the units
[23:53] <andylockran> I want to connect an egd daemon to it - but when I do (egd-linux) it doesn't seem to populate the kernel entropy pool in teh same was that ekeyd does when set to kernel mode
[23:53] <hamitron> I really want Enemy Nations to be ported now the source is open, but not sure about the license :/
[23:53] <directhex> andylockran, several simtec people in #debian-uk
[23:53] <ali1234> so basically have it set in the real world
[23:54] <jacobw> its quite exciting actually that this game i used to play is now open source
[23:54] <ali1234> it certainly runs well
[23:54] <directhex> jacobw, quake 3?
[23:54] <ali1234> i just don't like it as a game
[23:55] <jacobw> that's another one i guess
[23:55] <andylockran> directhex: thanks
[23:55] <hamitron> I've heard warzone 2100 is overly complicated, so if you play online you get whooped by people who know it too well :/
[23:55] <jacobw> i was talking about this warzone 2100 though
[23:55] <andylockran> directhex: which irc server?
[23:55] <andylockran> ping merriam_
[23:55] <directhex> oftc
[23:56] <andylockran> Mez
[23:57] <awilkins> This achron game is selling pre order betas - and supports Linux (amd64) - ooooo.
[23:58] <awilkins> May have discovered what to do with my remaining leave....
[23:59] <hamitron> only 64 bit?


[01:51] <poolie> hm i'm still intermittently getting Could not resolve hostname bazaar.launchpad.net: Name or service not known
[01:52] <spm> poolie: what in? bzr? firefox?
[01:52] <poolie> bzr
[01:53] <poolie> sorry, ssh run by bzr
[07:38] <dpm> good morning launchpad folk!
[07:38] <dpm> I'm trying to change the project from a bug, from 'ubuntu-translations' to 'ubuntu', so it gets triaged there. However, Launchpad won't let me do that. It tells me "too many matches" when trying to specify 'ubuntu' in the text box. Any ideas on what I could do?
[07:39] <wgrant> dpm: Apart from that, you can't retarget a project task to a distribution.
[07:39] <wgrant> So you'll need to mark the task Invalid, and hit "Also affects distribution..."
[07:39] <lifeless> dpm: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/80902
[07:39] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 80902 in Launchpad Bugs "Can't refile bug report from project to distribution, or vice versa (affected: 5, heat: 13)" [Medium,Triaged]
[07:40] <lifeless> dpm: 'me too' that bug
[07:40] <dpm> thanks lifeless, wgrant
[07:45] <dpm> hm, right, but even if I don't try to re-target, if I mark the 'ubuntu-translations' task as invalid and then try to open a new task for 'ubuntu', it tells me "too many matches"
[07:47] <wgrant> dpm: You're using "Also affects distribution", not "Also affects project"?
[07:48] <dpm> wgrant, that was it, thanks. I didn't know that I could specify a distribution with a blank package, but reading the text there helps :)
[09:46] <maks_> tried to get a LP account
[09:46] <maks_> but the token does not get sent over to debian.org
[09:48] <maks_> greylisting and anti spam settings are on.
[09:49] <zyga> rockstar, ping
[10:18] <lifeless> maks_: hi, any sign of an attempt in the mail logs ?
[10:18] <lifeless> we don't have any blocked outbound addresses AFAIK
[10:22] <maks_> lifeless: can't see the maillogs of debian.org, but nothing on my mailserver later
[10:22] <maks_> getting my other debian.org mail.
[10:24] <lifeless> losa ping : what do we normally do to debug these things?
[10:26] <mthaddon> lifeless: all we can really do is ask a GSA to confirm they can see the email showing up in outgoing mail logs
[10:46] <bilalakhtar> LOSA ping: Incoming bug mail is not working!
[10:46] <bilalakhtar> In other words, LP's e-mail  interface is down!
[10:47] <bilalakhtar> oops
[10:48] <bilalakhtar> Can confirm since a friend on #omg!ubuntu! is also facing it
[10:48] <bilalakhtar> AND I sent the mail 3 hours ago, still no comment
[10:48] <bilalakhtar> signature was valid
[10:48] <mthaddon> bilalakhtar: investigating
[10:49] <bilalakhtar> mthaddon: thanks, I have to go now, sorry
[10:52] <valavanisalex> Hi there, I'm having a problem with bug #628048.  I'm unable to set the package name in Baltix to "inkscape"
[10:52] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 628048 in Baltix "Please merge inkscape (universe) with version 0.48.0-1 from Debian experimental main (affected: 3, heat: 22)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628048
[10:52] <valavanisalex> Can anyone see what the problem is?
[11:39] <vish> persia: *if* you have time , could you reply to mpt's comment#8 ? Bug 414401 which we discussed yesterday. thanks :)
[11:39] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 414401 in Launchpad Bugs "Automatically subscribe users to bug mail when they post a comment (affected: 4, heat: 10)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/414401
[11:51]  * yofel notes that he likes the 2 button way
[11:52] <yofel> just make sure the 'post comment only' button goes away once you're subscribed to the bug
[11:53] <yofel> I mean, replace both buttons with the current 'post comment' button
[12:07] <bilalakhtar> mthaddon: fixed?
[12:07] <mthaddon> bilalakhtar: I think it must be just you - we weren't able to find anything wrong, and had a few people send in emails and confirm LP found them fine
[12:07] <mthaddon> bilalakhtar: I'm happy to help debug your issue, but I don't think it's LP-wide
[12:08] <bilalakhtar> whoa? It has happened the second time for me! I will just check
[12:13] <bilalakhtar> mthaddon: Thanks for telling me, it appears Yahoo! SMTP is down, and hence my friend's problem is the same
[12:14] <mthaddon> k
[12:19] <valavanisalex> Did anyone have time to look at my earlier question about bug #628048 ?  Launchpad won't let me set the Baltix package name to "inkscape".
[12:19] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 628048 in Baltix "Please merge inkscape (universe) with version 0.48.0-1 from Debian experimental main (affected: 3, heat: 22)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628048
[12:45] <penguin42> I'm getting a 'soorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server' after entering all the info - I'll try again, but someone I was helping yesterday never managed to get it to complete - is there a known problem
[12:49] <penguin42> hmm repeatable
[12:59] <penguin42> ok, 2 different web browsers - definitely broke
[13:03] <wgrant> penguin42: What are you trying to do?
[13:04] <penguin42> wgrant: I have a kernel oops and am trying to report the bug, originally the little icon came up and I went through, edited the summary and added text and it failed there, then I used apport-bug to try again (twice) and it's failing at the same point
[13:04] <penguin42> ^little panel icon
[13:04] <wgrant> penguin42: How big does it say the report is?
[13:04] <wgrant> It should tell you when it asks you whether you want to upload it.
[13:05] <penguin42> wgrant: It's not saying - I assume because it's tiny, there won't be a core in there
[13:06] <wgrant> Do any Bugs people have any idea about the above?
[13:08] <penguin42> 4th time it's now actually showing me other matching bugs
[13:15] <penguin42> anyway, time for breakfast - but if anyone can hunt what's going on I'd be greatful; you lose the text you entered when it fails, and it's quite annoying and I was helping a guy on +1 last night and told him to report a bug and it was just painful when he hit the same thing repeatedly
[13:47] <geser> wgrant: do you know which dpkg is used for processing uploads? (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2010-September/012089.html)
[13:50] <wgrant> geser: As of last night, possibly Lucid's. But I'm not sure.
[13:50] <wgrant> bigjools: ^^?
[14:06] <vish> hmm , can anyone change the channel topic here?
[14:07] <vish> just noticed that the topic was changed back-n-forth but the people who changed it wernt in the access list
[14:11] <deryck> vish, yes, I believe anyone can change it here.
[14:12] <vish> hmm, odd choice.. probably should be restricted to lp devs alone.. :)
[14:16] <vish> i guess its more of setting up the irc priv for the lp team..
[14:26] <tron_> cannot seem to put my question in launchpad!
[14:27] <tron_> Repeated tries today - keeps saying a problem connecting to Launchpad server.
[14:28] <tron_> anybody?
[14:30] <leoquant> tron__no probs here
[14:30] <leoquant> hmm gone
[15:59] <maks_> so who is the admin repsonsable that launchpad sends properly mail
[16:00] <maks_> why does it come that debian.org side sees no reject from your side
[16:00] <maks_> but that the initial mail setup does not work
[16:57] <pvelkovski> is launchpad server down? I can't send a bug report!
[16:59] <pvelkovski> I get this message in my web browser "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.". And it says that I should report it here
[17:05] <penguin42> pvelkovski: Yeh I've been getting that a lot - did it do that just after you had entered the body of the report?
[17:28] <pvelkovski> penguin42 I'm getting error after trying to submit the whole report
[17:29] <penguin42> yeh, it's most annoying - something is broken
[17:30] <pvelkovski> or maybe the server is overloaded by too many bug reports, I hope that's not the case :)
[17:31] <penguin42> pvelkovski: It seems a bit more unusual, it's not failing anywhere except that
[17:38] <fta> is anyone still working on the LP API? none of the bugs i filled or subscribed to in May (when i started using that API) received any love :(
[17:48] <bigjools> fta: which part of the API?  each development team is responsible for different parts.
[17:49] <fta> bigjools, details on builds (both dists and ppas)
[17:49] <fta> remember my dashboards?
[17:49] <fta> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/chromium-daily.html
[17:49] <bigjools> fta: ah yes
[17:50] <bigjools> sorry, we've not really had time to look at those
[17:51] <bigjools> can you remind me of the bug numbers and I'll see if I can fit them in (but no promises)
[17:51] <fta> i depend on this app to be able to properly maintain all those chromium builds in a timely manner
[17:52] <fta> the main bugs i need are at the bottom of that page
[17:58] <deryck> pvelkovski or penguin42, does the web page show an OPPS number anywhere?
[17:59] <penguin42> deryck: What's an OPPS number?
[17:59] <deryck> penguin42, well, the error should say something like OPPS-XXXX somewhere on the page, which helps us debug the issue.
[18:00] <penguin42> deryck: No, it definitely didn't have a reference number on the page - I've got the URL and I can give me your IP if you want to do some log trawling
[18:00] <penguin42> oh actually, I probably haven't got the URL any more
[18:01] <deryck> penguin42, were you trying to report a bug?
[18:02] <penguin42> deryck: Yes, I'd got a kernel oops, and the panel icon filed it, I filled in the summary and the description and it was after that it gave the error; I then tried again with the apport-bug command (twice) and it repeatedly got the same errors; it did work about the 4th time
[18:02] <penguin42> deryck: and someone I was helping last night had the same problem
[18:03] <deryck> ah, ok.  probably a timeout then.
[18:03] <penguin42> deryck: the thing is it was repeatable, but most other launchpad operations were working OK
[18:04] <penguin42> e.g. commenting on bugs etc
[18:04] <deryck> right.  filing bugs can sometimes timeout when other stuff doesn't because of the subscriber notifications we do during the request
[18:06] <penguin42> deryck: It could really do with being more robust, especially because it loses all the data at that point - it's very hard when you're thanking someone and asking them to file a bug and it repeatedly fails on them
[18:06] <penguin42> deryck: It would be preferable if it created the bug and stored your data, gave you the bug number and then did any higher expensive things
[18:07] <deryck> penguin42, actually two things would fix it -- don't timeout and don't loose the form data due to AJAX.  We have bugs on both of these and are working on the first heavily.
[18:08] <penguin42> deryck: OK, great
[18:12] <penguin42> deryck: It's just worth keeping an eye on it, it just seems to have got worse in the last few days
[18:13] <deryck> penguin42, we just had a release wednesday.  So it could be something in the release has made timeouts worse for a certain set of packages, when filing bugs.
[18:14] <penguin42> deryck: Well mine was on linux, and I've got a feeling the guy I was helping last night was also on linux, so it might be worth checking; and the thing is for Linux the amount of data isn't huge - it's not like it's got a core file
[18:15] <deryck> ok
[18:55] <maxb> jelmer: Do you think it would be wise to temporarily suspend all other KDE imports until the kdesdk and kdepim ones manage to clear? (so they don't keep getting killed by sqlite lock contention)
[18:55] <jelmer> maxb, seems reasonable
[18:56] <maxb> It's a shame there's no quicker way to short-circuit "discovering revprop revisions"
[18:56] <jelmer> maxb, if you do so, please inform the folks in #project-neon
[18:57] <maxb> urgh, code imports are read-only in the API
[18:57] <maxb> that could be tiresome
[18:58] <jelmer> maxb, there's no way to iterate over them using the API, too
[18:59] <jelmer> maxb: I was interested in writing a script to automatically analyze the imports logs
[18:59] <maxb> yeah, but I could have cheated and iterated branches of projects named kde%
[20:11] <njin> Hello, i'm trying to upload a video of a bug (mp4, 6.4 MB), but when i click on Post comment Seamonkey send request to Launchpad.net, but nothing happens.
[20:12] <njin> Can you halp me, thans
[20:14] <njin> Sorry, done .
[23:08] <alkisg> Is there any way to download a .deb that has been deleted from a ppa? Is there an archive somewhere?
[23:10] <jpds> No.
[23:11] <alkisg> Thanks
[23:28] <wgrant> jpds: Well, they're available until around a week afterwards, I believe.
[23:29] <jpds> wgrant: week, 5 days, ...


[08:42] <LucidFox> didrocks, thanks for sponsoring!
[09:44] <jcastro> vish: around?
[09:45] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=indicator-application
[09:45] <jcastro> klattimer: that's the list of tagged bugs
[09:45] <jcastro> klattimer: I'm going to be assigning you the ones from among this team
[09:45] <jcastro> these tags I mean
[09:46] <klattimer> k
[09:51] <vish> jcastro: hey
[09:57] <jcastro> vish: klattimer will be working with us to finish off some app indicator work
[09:57] <jcastro> vish: got any pet bugs?
[09:57] <vish> awesome! , let me check..
[09:57] <jcastro> klattimer: agateau recommends that we skip hplip, there's apparently lots of stuff that needs to get done up there to do it
[09:57] <klattimer> "up there"
[09:57] <klattimer> coding from heaven?
[09:57] <jcastro> in upstream qt
[09:58]  * jcastro gives you vino and gnome-bt instead
[09:59] <klattimer> was just looking at the hplip patch
[09:59] <klattimer> generally speaking it looks good, my guess was that there was an upstream bug causing the segfault
[10:00] <klattimer> so it's not easily fixable within the context of app indicators
[10:01] <vish> jcastro: klattimer: Bug 548981 ? this actually needs to be fixed in indicator-session
[10:01] <vish> bad bot!
[10:02] <klattimer> lol
[10:02] <jcastro> that one could be cool, but after the big ones
[10:02]  * vish digs deeper
[10:02] <klattimer> vish: i was talking about bug 497877
[10:03] <klattimer> erm nooo
[10:03] <klattimer> hmm, the bug bot isn't happy today
[10:03] <klattimer> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hplip/+bug/497877
[10:03] <vish> bot gone crazy!
[10:04] <klattimer> anyway I'll move on to vino
[10:04] <vish> klattimer: yeah , i'm looking.. most of the bugs are tagged indicator-application  , I'll see if any are left out..
[10:05] <jcastro> klattimer: seb128 will be assigning you bugs as well, so don't freak out, heh
[10:05] <klattimer> ;)
[10:06] <jcastro> vish: the main scope of the work is fixing existing indicators and "big bang for the buck" ones
[10:06] <vish> sweet!
[10:06] <jcastro> vish: so for each app we're going to have to make a judgement call of how many people could be using the app
[10:07] <jcastro> vish: after that we are keen on getting him time to clean up notify-osd stuff as well
[10:07] <jcastro> vish: and then we can have cake!
[10:08] <klattimer> mmmm cake
[10:08] <vish> jcastro: oh , notify-osd as well , this one got assigned last cycle , but seems to have gotten lost > Bug #333269
[10:09] <jcastro> vish: mpt and seb will be putting together lists of bugs for notify-osd, however when they have those I'd like you to go over it as well
[10:11]  * vish searches for more "big bang for the buck" ones
[10:16] <vish> jcastro: seen > Bug 601209 ?
[10:16] <vish> and there is another that has to be fixed as well , supporting icon + text in the indicators..
[10:23] <jcastro> klattimer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators/ContractorWorkflow
[10:23] <jcastro> that's kind of old and out of date, but has some useful bits
[10:24] <klattimer> k
[10:24] <klattimer> cheers
[10:25] <jcastro> vish: yeah, you know what would be awesome would be a list of bugs (sorted by priority) of things that app developers are needing to port their apps
[10:31] <jcastro> vish: but we'll cross that bridge when we get there, heh
[10:31] <jcastro> klattimer: did the bugmail start hitting you?
[10:33] <klattimer> I've got two so far
[10:36] <vish> hmm , how many users would like a Thunderbird support for messaging menu...
[10:37] <klattimer> vish: quite a few I'd imagine
[10:39] <vish> oh! , there is already a patch for that : Bug #367175
[10:40] <klattimer> jcastro: I'm assuming it's best to test on maverick?
[10:43] <jcastro> klattimer: yeah, I don't know how comfortable you are running alpha releases
[10:44] <jcastro> virtualization!
[10:45] <klattimer> jcastro: got virtualbox on my mac
[10:45] <klattimer> it'll be fine ;)
[10:45] <vish> jcastro: another one is tomboy indicator is in need of "pins"...
[10:45] <klattimer> oh the bugs in the maverick pages are fun
[10:46] <vish> we dont support that yet in app-indicators..
[10:46] <klattimer> alpha1 is the google top hit, and the download links go nowhere
[10:46] <klattimer> alpha2 the download link in the menu doesn't jump to the section
[10:46] <klattimer> lovely ;)
[10:53] <klattimer> maverick installing ;)
[11:12] <didrocks> LucidFox: yw ;)
[11:12] <didrocks> LucidFox: thanks for the patch!
[11:12] <LucidFox> Hmm, now it turns out that Debian released 1.6.4-1 two days ago, we'd need to merge
[12:49] <klattimer> jcastro: I'm looking for which source code to apply the vino patch to
[12:50] <klattimer> was wondering if any of the existing launchpad branches are valid, or whether I should be taking from upstream?
[12:50] <sense> klattimer: We do try to forward patches upstream as much as possible, so upstream would probably the best place to look for the source code if upstream is prepared to include it.
[12:52] <klattimer> sense this is for app indicators, so unlikely upstream will use it
[12:52] <klattimer> but I'm just looking for the baseline code to apply a patch to
[12:52] <klattimer> confused as to what I need to do about debian/* in the package if it's coming from upstream
[12:53] <sense> klattimer: We have been sending most patches upstream, so I hope that Vino will accept it as well. I assume you're using autoconf flags to disable AppInd by default?
[12:53] <klattimer> sense: it's not my patch but it looks that way
[12:54] <sense> good
[13:10] <jcastro> klattimer: I would work on whatever will ship in maverick, so git head. :D
[13:10] <jcastro> sense: glad you're here, klattimer is our man for some time to work on app indicator issues
[13:10] <jcastro> sense: do you happen to have a link to that submenu bug he'll likely run into?
[13:10] <jcastro> sense: ted will likely fix that one soon
[13:10] <sense> jcastro: No, but I think I did ran unto it when working on Deluge.
[13:11] <jcastro> ah
[13:11] <sense> I've got a plugin for that ready, but its submenus don't work.
[13:11] <jcastro> aha!
[13:11] <jcastro> let me find dbarth and get a timeline for completion on it
[13:12] <sense> bug 585153 is a submenu bug, but it is not what I saw.
[13:13] <jcastro> klattimer: you'll likely hit that at some point
[13:13] <jcastro> sense: dbarth says to please file a new bug and assign it directly to agateau
[13:13] <jcastro> (on your issue)
[13:13] <sense> ok
[13:14] <sense> jcastro: Could be related to Glade as Deluge is still using that.
[13:16] <klattimer> jcastro: I'm using git-head
[13:17] <klattimer> but wondering where the debian folder can be sourced from for package building?
[13:17] <sense> If it's up-to-date that would be lp:ubuntu/vino or lp:ubuntu/maverick/vino
[13:17] <sense> bzr branch lp:stuff
[13:17] <sense> Otherwise there's always apt-get source
[13:18] <klattimer> k
[13:20] <sense> klattimer: I think most branches are up-to-date nowadays, but you might want to check it really provides you with the latest version available, just to be sure.
[13:21] <klattimer> sense: just checked 2.28 in bzr maverick vs 2.31 in git-head
[13:21] <klattimer> the question is, which version is shipping with maverick 2.30?
[13:21] <sense> 2.28.2 is the one being shipped in maverick.
[13:21] <klattimer> right so I'll just forget about git then
[13:22] <sense> I think we will eventually ship the new release from upstream, which is now still 2.31, but meanwhile you could provide a patch for 2.28.2 while waiting for the patch to be accepted upstream.
[13:22] <klattimer> k
[13:22] <sense> Once it gets accepted upstream and the new version gets uploaded to maverick you can drop the patch and enable the appindicator flag.
[13:22] <sense> (or just add libappindicator-dev to Build-Depens if the default value of the flag is auto)
[13:35] <klattimer> urgh... patch failed to apply
[13:35] <klattimer> :/
[13:36] <sense> jcastro: bug 608219
[14:05] <jcastro> klattimer: travis' patch applied to lucid, so whatever was in 2.28
[14:06] <klattimer> jcastro: I've stumbled on some dpkg weirdness i think
[14:06] <jcastro> I mean 2.30
[14:06] <klattimer> adding the patch to the patch sequence breaks building
[14:06] <klattimer> patching before buildpackage it works
[14:06] <jcastro> klattimer: pastebin me
[14:06] <klattimer> ... weirdness
[14:06] <klattimer> jcastro: can't do atm
[14:06] <klattimer> working between two machines and a third virtual
[14:06] <jcastro> k
[14:07] <jcastro> for packaging related issues kenvandine can help. He's in #ubuntu-desktop
[14:07] <klattimer> but anyway I'm building and will be able to test the patch I hope soonish
[14:07] <klattimer> k, good to know
[14:09] <bratsche> Hey.
[14:09] <sense> hi bratsche
[14:10] <kenvandine> klattimer, hey
[14:11] <kenvandine> klattimer, if you have packaging questions, feel free to ping me
[14:11] <sense> kenvandine: I thought that during the UDS someone was appointed to fix the C# inheritance problems of AppIndicator. Is someone already working on that?
[14:11] <kenvandine> sense, not that i know of
[14:12] <sense> kenvandine: I thought ROAF proposed to seal the class and someone said he should do so.
[14:13] <sense> RAOF
[14:14] <RAOF> sense: Yo!
[14:14] <sense> RAOF: ^^
[14:14] <sense> and yo, of course
[14:14] <RAOF> I have no memory of that conversation.
[14:14] <klattimer> grr, now hitting buts with an undefined identifier
[14:14] <klattimer> :(
[14:15] <sense> ok
[14:15] <RAOF> And no one assigned me a work item for it, so it hasn't been done my me.
[14:15] <sense> That's logical. :)
[14:15] <RAOF> I even forget what the problem was!
[14:15] <sense> RAOF: Cannot inherit from the C# AppInd class because the Category and Status things are stored in a weird hybrid way, between enums and strings.
[14:16] <sense> RAOF: the constructor causes trouble
[14:16] <sense> It expects the category value to accept a certain type, but it wants another and then crashes.
[14:16] <RAOF> Ok.  So the solution I proposed was to make it not possible to subclass AppInd?
[14:16] <kenvandine> sense, oh... you can't do that in python either
[14:16] <RAOF> That makes sense :)
[14:17] <sense> RAOF: I think that was you.
[14:17] <RAOF> It could well have been.
[14:17] <sense> You have a black beard, right?
[14:17] <RAOF> That should be a simple matter of prepending “sealed”
[14:17] <RAOF> sense: Hah!  You're thinking of dbo!
[14:17] <sense> RAOF: No, it isn't.
[14:17] <sense> ah!
[14:17] <sense> :P
[14:18] <sense> RAOF: It's using GAPI2 to generate things, so we have to work in the .metadata file.
[14:18] <RAOF> Ah.
[14:18] <RAOF> Right.
[14:18] <RAOF> Well, you could use a .custom file.
[14:18] <sense> That would mean we'd have to maintain the whole constructor manually.
[14:18] <RAOF> Yeah, true.
[14:18] <sense> Isn't there a way to seal a class from GAPI?
[14:19] <RAOF> Dunno.
[14:19] <RAOF> Actually, no!  You wouldn't have to manitain the whole constructor.
[14:19] <sense> Really?
[14:19] <RAOF> What you'd do is have basically “sealed partial class AppInd”, and have nothing in there.
[14:19] <sense> That would be nice.
[14:19] <sense> and not hide the generated thing
[14:19] <sense> I see
[14:20] <RAOF> I'm not sure if GAPI would need to add the “partial” modifier on the class.
[14:21] <RAOF> There's an easy way to find out, though!
[14:21] <sense> That can be tested! :)
[14:21] <sense> We could make it work fully by inventing some custom string-like enum and not using ints anymore anywhere in the whole libappindicator library, or stick to the enums, but write a custom layer between the DBus API and the library.
[14:21] <sense> All a lot of work to do.
[14:21] <sense> So sealing seems to best solution to me.
[14:22] <sense> RAOF: Shall I give your proposed method a try?
[14:23] <RAOF> Yeah.
[14:32] <klattimer> kenvandine: any clues on fixing a glib-mkenums problem
[14:32] <klattimer> the patch I have changes two enum vals, but these aren't detected by glib-mkenums
[14:52]  * kenvandine reads back
[14:52] <kenvandine> klattimer, is this for vino?
[14:53] <klattimer> yeah
[14:53] <kenvandine> is the file your patching actually generated at build time?
[14:53] <klattimer> seems theres a missing file from vino_enum_headers post patching
[14:53] <kenvandine> or before?
[14:54] <klattimer> before build time
[14:54] <kenvandine> vino-enums.h
[14:54] <kenvandine> ?
[14:56] <kenvandine> that looks like it is generated at build time
[14:58] <klattimer> kenvandine: yeah it is
[14:58] <klattimer> but I'm talking about a patch applied before buildtime
[14:58] <klattimer> I think I've fixed it
[14:58] <klattimer> gimme a few minutes to build
[15:00] <klattimer> urgh, nope that didn't fix it
[15:15] <klattimer> kenvandine: appears I'm hitting some kind of configure problem with GNOME_COMPILE_WARNINGS(yes) and it's refusing to rebuild the makefiles
[15:15] <klattimer> thus causing a bunch of other problems
[15:15] <klattimer> This seems to be something to do with gnome-common, which wasn't installed but is now
[15:15] <klattimer> could I be missing another package?
[15:15] <klattimer> this is a clean vm for building, so I imagine i'm missing some things
[15:19] <kenvandine> klattimer just installing the build-deps should be enough
[15:20] <klattimer> hmm
[15:20] <klattimer> seems not
[15:20] <klattimer> I've added gnome-core-dev and gnome-dev
[15:20] <kenvandine> want to share your patch and let me take a swing?
[15:20] <klattimer> lets see if that helps
[15:20] <klattimer> kenvandine: be my guest https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/497883
[15:22] <klattimer> gah, same thing
[15:22] <klattimer> syntax error near unexpected token 'yes'
[15:22] <klattimer> GNOME_COMPILE_WARNINGS(yes)
[15:22] <klattimer> :(
[15:25] <klattimer> hang on
[15:25] <klattimer> this might be what you mention in your comment
[15:25] <klattimer> have_app_indicator should be enable app_indicator
[15:27] <klattimer> grr, missed that comment :(
[15:28] <kenvandine> klattimer, you need to autoreconf too
[15:28] <kenvandine> are you building from the package or just a checkout?
[15:28] <kenvandine> in debian/rules add
[15:29] <kenvandine> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/autoreconf.mk
[15:29] <kenvandine> or just run ./autogen.sh
[15:29] <kenvandine> and you should add the configure arg as well
[15:32] <klattimer> building from a bzr checkout from ubuntu/maverick/vino
[15:32] <kenvandine> ok, autoreconf will do it
[15:34] <klattimer> thanks
[15:34] <klattimer> seems to be working now
[15:34] <kenvandine> np
[15:35] <kenvandine> klattimer, let me know if you need anything
[15:35] <klattimer> will do
[15:35] <klattimer> seems I'll be able to get on with it from here on
[15:35] <klattimer> seem to be some configure bugs which will need fixing though


[00:00] <rzr> debian a que faire de non-free :)
[00:01] <fta> nss n'est pas non-free, pas de branding la dedans. mais ca ne les a pas empeché de tout changer
[00:02] <rzr> fta: anyway do you think its safe that this system relies on closedsource software ?
[00:02] <fta> you mean what ? java ? ff ?
[00:02] <fta> ff is not closed source
[00:02] <rzr> sun jvm
[00:03] <fta> i hate java, free or not, but i don't see how they could do that without it
[00:03] <fta> and i doubt they'll do an open sourced multi-platform plugin
[00:04] <rzr> well when i'll be president i'll wont make my country in hands of computers firms :)
[00:04] <fta> lol
[00:06] <rzr> asac: how is the "online signing" part done in germany ?
[00:21] <asac> rzr: java ... client cert
[00:39] <fta> same as in france then
[08:18] <asac> hi
[08:26] <asac> debian bug 468954
[10:07] <armin76> asac bug 422399
[10:07] <armin76> err
[10:07] <armin76> mozilla bug 422399
[10:07] <armin76> *g*
[10:22] <asac> yeah nobody knows what that means ,)
[10:42] <sebner> asac: Got a second for me? Discovered something strange
[10:44] <sebner> asac: pulseaudio related ^^
[10:47] <sebner> nm-rocker: alter ego?
[10:49] <armin76> lol
[14:26] <sebner> asac: ha! I see you are active. when you got time please answer :)
[14:31] <asac> sebner: eafter lunch (now)
[14:31] <sebner> asac: so now or later? ^^
[14:32] <asac> later
[14:32] <sebner> asac: ah, kk. just ping me. thx
[16:40] <sebner> asac: is later now? ^^ // just want to make sure you don't forget me :P
[17:06] <asac> sebner: go ahead and just ask ;)
[17:07] <sebner> asac: ha! pulseaudio is now default (intrepid I mean)?
[17:07] <gnomefreak> im only here for a minute, ended up in hospital saturday for phnomia(sp) getting ready to go for another test
[17:07] <gnomefreak> sebner: only in Ubuntu
[17:08] <gnomefreak> maybe Xubuntu i dont remember
[17:08] <sebner> gnomefreak: as I said -> intrepid
[17:08] <sebner> gnomefreak: ah, for me intrepid = ubuntu = gnome :P
[17:08] <gnomefreak> sebner: ;)
[17:08] <sebner> never heard about xubuntu or kubuntu :P
[17:13] <asac> sebner: dud you ask anything? ;)
[17:13] <RainCT> Hi
[17:13] <sebner> asac: bah -.- .. sure :P scroll back
[17:14] <RainCT> Is anyone here going to Mozilla Camp Europe?
[17:14] <gnomefreak> ok way too much email to do atm. i will hopfully be back later today or tomorrow
[17:16] <asac> sebner: the pulseaudio question?
[17:16] <sebner> asac: yep
[17:16] <asac> dont see anything (maybe i had reconnect)
[17:17] <sebner> oh
[17:17] <asac> sebner: pulseaudio is default yes ;)
[17:17] <asac> but why do o need some time ;)
[17:17] <asac> (to answer that)
[17:17] <sebner> asac: because I have further questions about that :P
[17:18] <sebner> asac: I built a new pc for my family and installed ubuntu 8.10
[17:18] <sebner> the sound was pretty not loud so I edited modprod./alsa-base so he chooses the correct driver and everything is ok but I discovered that it uses alsa by default
[17:19] <asac> sebner: what uses alsa? flash?
[17:19] <sebner> asac: everything
[17:19] <sebner> I think
[17:20] <asac> sebner: i doubt it ;)
[17:20] <sebner> asac: at least flash does.
[17:20] <asac> sebner: gstreamer stuff definitly should use pulse by default
[17:20] <asac> sebner: start gstreamer-properties to configure which backend gstreamer uses
[17:20] <asac> sebner: flash never had native pulseaudio support and wont have that in flash 10
[17:20] <asac> sebner: so yes it uses alsa ... but alsa uses a pulseaudio plugin again ;)
[17:21] <asac> if you fiddled with your alsa setup that might not be true anymore
[17:21] <sebner> asac: ah, yes it's working. but I got interested because a game (frozen-bubble) dies on startup because of pulseaudio issue
[17:21] <asac> but in general the idea is to support legacy apps (e.g. those that use alsa directly) by sending it through pulse by alsaplugin
[17:21] <asac> sebner: i think not all variants of alsa usage are supported
[17:21] <asac> e.g. the one flash 9 used wasnt and still isnt supported
[17:22] <asac> (i think its async alsa thats not working, while sync alsa does)
[17:22] <sebner> asac: my parents pc has this problem: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/274577   , me not
[17:23] <asac> sebner: i think you should raise general pulseaudio issues in -devel and ping TheMuso about them
[17:23] <sebner> asac: ah ,k. just thougth you maybe know something about it (because you already helped me a lot with pulseaudio stuff) ;)
[17:26] <sebner> asac: ubuntuforums say that deleting .pulse may help O_o
[17:42] <asac> hehe
[17:42] <sebner> asac: what should I think about such a fix O_o
[17:43] <asac> not sure ;)
[17:44] <sebner> asac: anyway. thx for you help, my nm and pulseaudio hero :)
[17:44] <asac> haha :-P
[17:44] <asac> welcome
[19:41] <fta> debian bug 415358
[20:35] <Lns> Can anyone tell me how to get the patch proposed in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455829 into Ubuntu repositories?
[20:36] <Lns> What will it take to get this pushed? It's a huge issue with Ubuntu LTSP setups
[20:43] <fta> Lns, we could take it in nspr, but it's a bit late in this cycle.. and we have the de-sonamization still under discussion blocking both nspr and nss
[20:43] <fta> asac, ^^
[20:44]  * Lns is trying to decipher fta's statement
[20:45] <fta> a/ possible but a bit late for intrepid
[20:45] <Lns> heh
[20:45] <Lns> late for intrepid?
[20:45] <Lns> I didn't know Intrepid was even out
[20:45] <fta> b/ nspr and nss are stuck because we need to decide something unrelated
[20:46] <fta> Lns, it's not, but it's late to introduce a patch that could potentially break several packages
[20:46] <Lns> I'm hoping to get it into Hardy, actually...this affects the launching of Firefox for LTSP users.
[20:47] <fta> hm, hardy is even worse.
[20:47] <fta> do you have a bug in LP for that?
[20:48] <fta> anyway, asac is your man
[20:50] <Lns> fta: i do, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/269188
[20:50] <Lns> asac: remember me? :)
[20:51] <Lns> I hate to be a whiner but I'm *really* not liking this whole "its too late for version X" in Ubuntu. Hardy is supposed to be supported for a long time, why can't we get critical bugs pushed in?
[20:51] <Lns> It seems so backwards to support bug-filled software
[20:53] <fta> for the records, i don't like this "too late" thing either
[20:54] <Lns> I don't want to be part of the problem by just complaining...I want to know what we can do as a community to get this process changed so we *can* get bugfixes in.
[20:54] <Wulfie> what is the apt repository for the versions of lightning that you folks made?
[20:54] <bdmurray> asac: any ideas about bug 277063?
[21:25] <fta> asac, [reed]: damned dates are going backward: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/summary
[21:29] <fta> -firefox-3.1 (3.1~b1~hg20081002r20075+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[21:29] <fta> +firefox-3.1 (3.1~b1~hg20080928r20090+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[21:29] <fta> not good
[21:58] <[reed]> fta: hah
[22:02] <fta> good, someone committed on top
[23:03] <fta> jdstrand, thanks :)
[23:04] <jdstrand> fta: thank you for all the hard work!
[23:04] <jdstrand> :)
[23:23] <asac> hmm ... code/bzr down?
[23:23] <fta> was not a short while ago
[23:24] <asac> Using saved location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:24] <asac> ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused
[23:24] <asac> ssh appears to be down on bazaar.launchpad.net :(
[23:25] <fta> yep; confirmed
[23:25] <fta> bazaar.launchpad.net down from 22:00 UTC for up to 4 hours
[23:26] <asac> sight
[23:27] <asac> sigh ;)
[23:53] <directhex> is all Xb-Npp-MimeType stuff checked whenever the browser spawns the plugin finder, or is there some process where all packages' pluginability is collated and that cached version is used for reference by the plugin finder?


[00:32] <keijo_> does Skype work on Xubuntu?
[00:33] <Unit193> Yes.
[00:33] <Unit193> !skype
[00:50] <keijo_> i get errors installing skype
[00:52] <keijo_> dpkg error processing skype-call-recorder
[04:26] <nonuby> changing Style in Appearence has no affect, my bar has a light background rather than usual black. struggling to remember how I fcuked this up
[04:27] <kingnick42> This your panel?
[06:24] <xubuntu103> Is there anybody who is able to answer a question concerning a .conf file?
[08:29] <Gooman24> anyone around that could help with an install issue?
[08:32] <baizon> Gooman24: and the issue is?
[08:32] <mike5> Hi, all
[08:33] <mike5> I'm looking into installin xubuntu on a computer which has a CD-rom not DVD. So I'm looking at alternatives to the default ISO
[08:33] <mike5> Network installation or something similar.
[08:33] <Gooman24> I get the live CD booted and click on try and then I get a desktop...
[08:34] <Gooman24> the wifi is not working so I got to the restricted drivers section...
[08:34] <Gooman24> and enable the wifi and then I get what looks like a stack dump?
[08:34] <Gooman24> nothing I can really understand and I am not really a linux noob
[08:35] <Gooman24> So I tried again.... this time I plugged in a network cable and just went right to the install... same thing
[08:35] <Gooman24> not exaclty the same stuff though
[08:35] <Gooman24> honestly I have no idea where to even start looking on this one
[08:35] <baizon> mike5: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[08:36] <baizon> then you can just install xubuntu afterwards
[08:37] <baizon> Gooman24: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[08:37] <baizon> Gooman24: check syslog for errors, this will help a lot resolving the issue
[08:38] <Gooman24> there might be something I am missing here but how do I check the syslog if both the live enviroment and the install are crashing?
[08:38] <baizon> Gooman24: you mean at boot?
[08:39] <baizon> you just wrote that you can log in into the livecd environment
[08:39] <Gooman24> I am trying to do an install on a machine... when I start the install it crashes... when I am booted to the live cd and try to turn on the wifi it crashes
[08:39] <Gooman24> the HHD is blank
[08:39] <Gooman24> *HDD
[08:39] <baizon> Gooman24: yes
[08:40] <baizon> open a terminal and write dmesg
[08:40] <baizon> and check what output it gives
[08:40] <mike5> Baizon: So the ide is to install some light-weight ubuntu variant first, then change the location of the repositories and then what?
[08:40] <Gooman24> I am still missing something here.  I am not sure how to open a terminal on a crashed machine
[08:40] <Gooman24> that has no installed OS
[08:40] <mike5> is there a bit better description of the whole procedure?
[08:41] <baizon> mike5: the link i posted gives you a minimal ubuntu installation without any DE
[08:41] <baizon> only terminal
[08:41] <baizon> then you can set up your internet connection and just install the xubuntu desktop for example
[08:41] <baizon> Gooman24: the whole system crashes?
[08:41] <Gooman24> yes
[08:42] <baizon> Gooman24: well then i would recommend to check your memory
[08:42] <baizon> on start there is a option for testing memory
[08:42] <Gooman24> I was looking for that but on the 13.xx DVD I downloaded it doesn't seem to be there
[08:42] <Gooman24> also the live envirment works fine till I try to do anything network related
[08:42] <mike5> install how? I'm not too familiar with over-the netwrok install. usually there is a CD image you can doenload which has everything set up.
[08:43] <mike5> I'll seartch the Internet,
[08:43] <lderan> does anything else cause it to crash or just when you enable networking Gooman24?
[08:43] <Gooman24> just when I enable netowrking
[08:43] <baizon> sorry i'm afk for 15 min
[08:43] <baizon> have to go
[08:44] <lderan> does it give any information out when it crashes?
[08:44] <Gooman24> well basically its all letters and numbers... looks like a kernel panic sorta
[08:44] <Gooman24> only with no discernable errors of any kind
[08:44] <Gooman24> full black screen
[08:45] <lderan> shall look into it for you
[08:46] <Gooman24> if there was even a small straw to grasp I would be on google but I have no idea where to even start
[08:47] <Gooman24> I have spent days in years past toughing out problems but I had some straw to grasp at
[08:47] <lderan> it looks like it could be the bug 1072518
[08:47] <lderan> or something similiar
[08:48] <lderan> have you tried this guide http://bigbrovar.aoizora.org/index.php/2011/04/30/turning-wireless-on-causes-laptop-to-freeze-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal-my-work-around/ ?
[08:49] <Gooman24> hmm looks interesting... I know it is a broadcom issue
[08:50] <Gooman24> it occurs when ever it tries to load the proprietary drivers
[08:50] <mike5> I see 12.10 installation ISO is under 700MB. I guess upgrae from 12.10 to 13.04 is pretty straight forward?=
[08:51] <lderan> mike5 yup the upgrade is simple, you can try out the live image before if you want to check it out first :)
[08:51] <Gooman24> mike if you use the ubuntu minimal install that was mentioned earlier then you get a basic install with command line
[08:51] <Gooman24> then you basically plug in an ethernet cable that has DHCP
[08:51] <mike5> I have checked it out, thank. Now I want to install it on my mothers PC :)
[08:51] <Gooman24> and the line to get you to xubuntu is something like sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[08:52] <mike5> and see what she thinks :)
[08:52] <mike5> Gooman: That regarding my previous question about how to install xubuntu from minimal-install image?
[08:53] <Gooman24> yes
[08:54] <mike5> and that is available from the configured ubuntu repositories?
[08:54] <Gooman24> you should be able to just plug in an ethernet cable to your avarage home router and the ping google.com or something to see if you are online
[08:54] <Gooman24> then once you are if I recall correctly the xubuntu desktop can be installed with that command or the like
[08:57] <Gooman24> I just googled it... the command I provided was correct
[09:19] <baizon> mike5: xubuntu or lubuntu
[09:19] <baizon> that will do it :)
[09:19] <baizon> lubuntu is more windows-like
[09:42] <mike5> baizon: thanks. I'll check lubuntu as well.
[09:43] <mike5> xubuntu looked a bit more cute from the screenshots.
[10:03] <baizon> mike5: it is imho :)
[10:09] <mike5> But their installation ISO is under 700MB, which is quite important for me at the moment.
[10:10] <mike5> So, maybe something for the packager to consider for the next release....
[10:22] <knome> mike5, i understand, but otoh, feel free to try to it everything on a cd yourself
[12:01] <deleve> bgardner, thank you 4 resolving my problem the other time i visit here!
[12:01] <bgardner> deleve: My pleasure!
[12:07] <A_J> two questions. First i would like to make two programs run on startup (Deluge and Sabnzbd) and ssecond would like to bypass the login screen altogether( i have just one user)
[12:08] <koegs> A_J: autologin http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[12:09] <koegs> autostart http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.de/2011/12/add-application-to-xfcexubuntu-session.html
[12:11] <A_J> ty koegs the autostart is the same command i would enter on the terminal yes ?
[12:12] <koegs> yes
[12:17] <xubuntu202> hello everyone! I have a little problem installing xubuntu 13.04 via dvd on my old desktop (win2000): in the cabinet I have only a cd reader and if I select the boot from cd it doesn't recognise the dvd. now I have an external usb dvd Reader/writer too. so I tried to boot from the usb (both ZIP and FDD) but still i doesn't get the xubuntu dvd. do you have any suggetions?
[12:18] <A_J> Thank you very much koegs both worked :)
[12:18] <cc_INC> Did you re-arranged the boot order at BIOS xubuntu202?
[12:18] <xubuntu202> yes, many times
[12:19] <cc_INC> Hmm...does you cd-drive work in the current OS you have installed on the box?
[12:19] <xubuntu202> yes
[12:22] <cc_INC> Have you tried booting with acpi = off
[12:23] <cc_INC> Perhaps your systems ACPI is not supported....just thinking out loud..
[12:23] <xubuntu202> I don't know, I must try again! thanks cc_INC
[12:24] <elfy> xubuntu202: if it sees the cd but no the dvd you could try with 12.04 rather than 13.04 - as that fits on a cd
[12:26] <xubuntu202> @cc_INC where may I find this ACPI feature?
[12:27] <elfy> xubuntu202: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Changing_the_CD.27s_Default_Boot_Options
[12:28] <elfy> you want F6
[12:28] <Pici> 70
[12:28] <cc_INC> F6 at boot
[12:28] <elfy> but if it's not seeing the dvd reader and you've only got the cd to use - try 12.04
[12:28] <cc_INC> But try getting 12.04 on a CD
[12:28] <cc_INC> What elfy said
[12:29] <cc_INC> Windows 2000 is on the box. Is it an older machine?
[12:30] <GridCube> if it has w2k it probably is
[12:31]  * cfhowlett ... 2000?!
[12:31] <xubuntu202> yes it is... AMD Athlon 650Mhz with 384 of RAM
[12:32] <xubuntu202> win2000 recognizes the external DVD. I could even make a DVD. the thing is that it doesn't get recognised in the booting system
[12:36] <braulio> Hello everyone. Can anyone give me a help? I'm just starting with Linux and I installed the Xubuntu 13.04 on it. Everything is working perfectly but I have a problem that is already known for the EeePC PXB1001: The internal microphone does not work. Is there a simple way to fix it?
[12:41] <GridCube> xubuntu202: you might have to use PLoP
[12:42] <GridCube> !plop
[12:43] <GridCube> xubuntu202: http://www.plop.at/en/whatisplop.html
[12:44] <GridCube> braulio: if you found out its a known problem, then in the same place there should be a workaround
[12:45] <GridCube> if theres not, then theres probably not a workaround
[12:55] <GridCube> braulio: according to the internet the microphone should work on any kernel past 3
[12:56] <Sysi> check your pulseaudio settings
[12:56] <braulio> GridCube: Hi, I have this exact same problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/689258 apparently one guy fixed it... but since Iḿ just beggining with Linux they are speaking in a language that I'm not familiar with yet.
[12:56] <GridCube> braulio: yes, he is saying he updated his kernel, but you already have a much much newer kernel that the one he is using
[12:57] <GridCube> do check your setting to see if you dont have the microphone mutted
[12:57] <GridCube> see in pavucontrol, or in alsamixer that thats not the case
[12:58] <braulio> well, when I check on the volumes it is not muted, and it doesn't seem like the mic is not installed because it responds when I clap in front of it, but the input is just too weak. I checked the volumes and it is all in the max.
[12:59] <GridCube> braulio: did you check in alsamixer?
[12:59] <braulio> I checked also the "alsamixer" thing, and raised all the volumes. Is there another place where I should check it?
[12:59] <GridCube> pavucontrol
[12:59] <Toa> Hello! I use a version of Xubuntu 13.10 on July 22. I have the following problem: Indicator plugin does not work correctly. Adjusting the sound is not active. Screenshot - http://rghost.ru/47590052/image.png
[13:00] <GridCube> Toa: :) care to report in #xubuntu-devel please?
[13:00] <cfhowlett> Toa, 13.10 is beta.  no support here.
[13:00] <cfhowlett> !saucy|Toa,
[13:01] <GridCube> braulio: do you understand spanish?
[13:01] <GridCube> braulio: http://www.ubuntu-es.org/node/144366
[13:03] <Toa> Thank you all! I'll go to # xubuntu-devel
[13:03] <braulio> GridCube: Hey man, well according to that guy he fixed his audio issues but his mic still don't work... My audio is fine, just the mic that isn't working properly
[13:05] <GridCube> braulio: if you see the first comment he says that he needed to "descompensate" the microphone settings, basically rendering it mono, also see that the last comment says that in later kernel versions he needed to reboot for the workaround to work
[13:08] <braulio> GridCube: wow, definitelly the imput volume changed here, I'm going to make a few tests here to see if that is noise or if it is actually capting something. brb
[13:11] <braulio> GridCube: hey man, The microphone is definitelly working when I just use one channel. But how do I "lock" it so it won't lower the input level? It automatically lower the volume when I try it on Skype for example.
[13:11] <GridCube> i dunno
[13:12] <GridCube> aint there a lock button on pavucontrol?
[13:14] <braulio> there is a button to lock channels together, which is what we don want
[13:15] <braulio> when I use it on skype, it automatically lower the volume levels
[13:15] <braulio> nevermind
[13:15] <GridCube> sorry i dont know
[13:15] <braulio> just found that Skype was doing that by itself
[13:16] <GridCube> i do know that if while you use skype you set pavucontrol setting then it will try to remember the settings for skype
[13:16] <GridCube> not just the globals but the particular
[13:17] <braulio> Yeah, I just looked up here and now it is working great.
[13:18] <braulio> Man, thank you SO much.
[13:18] <braulio> I was getting nervous here because of this problem haha
[13:21] <GridCube> :)
[14:00] <keijo_> i have problem playing cds
[14:02] <keijo_> i see cd on desktop but cant play it
[14:02] <GridCube> play it as what?
[14:03] <GridCube> its an audio cd?
[14:08] <keijo_> yes
[14:08] <keijo_> or *.mp3
[14:11] <GridCube> keijo_: did you installed the restricted-extras?
[14:17] <peyam> my updater doenst work
[14:17] <peyam> is it working for anybody here?
[14:18] <Pici> !doesntwork
[14:19] <peyam> The update manager doesnt work! in xubuntu 13.04 right now in Sweden! the Software and updates does not work ! when I click on it nothing happens. the command update does not work in terminal
[14:21] <Pici> What happens when you try to update via the terminal? Do you get an error?
[14:21] <peyam> nothing
[14:21] <peyam> absoultely nothing
[14:22] <Pici> What command are you using?
[14:22] <peyam> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:23] <Pici> It just returns to the command line?
[14:23] <peyam> yes
[14:23] <Pici> What does lsb_release -sd  say?
[14:24] <peyam> I told you
[14:24] <peyam> it is 13.04
[14:26] <Pici> peyam: Can you pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list  ?
[14:27] <peyam> Pici, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5900763/
[14:28] <Pici> peyam: You have '[A
[14:28] <peyam> yes I see
[14:29] <peyam> the last rows
[14:29] <Pici> on line 59, this should throw an error, but lets try just removing that and doing an apt-get update again.
[14:29] <peyam> okej
[14:30] <peyam> works totally
[14:30] <peyam> thank you :)
[14:30] <Pici> great
[14:30] <peyam> thanks
[17:26] <keijo_> what soft for logitech cam
[17:27] <bazhang> !webcam | keijo_ have a read
[18:04] <genii> keijo_: Depends if it's one of those ancient parallel port ones for instance.
[21:13] <xubuntu576> I need some help on adjusting screen brightness
[21:15] <xubuntu576> I have a Toshiba laptop running Xubuntu 13.04. I need to reduce screen brightness when on battery, however, the shortkey fn+f2 doesn't work
[21:16] <knome> xubuntu576, have you googled if other have had it working?
[21:18] <xubuntu576> I have tried popular solutions of editing grub, dissabling power manager & adding w/ --no daemon
[21:19] <xubuntu576> it seems to have worked on a HP dv6, but not for me.
[21:20] <knome> xubuntu576, toshiba what?
[21:21] <xubuntu576> Toshiba satellite L840
[21:22] <knome> xubuntu576, have you chekced your bios options? (somebody says that could help)
[21:23] <xubuntu576> Yes I have. The option is enabled to use fn key. Works perfectly on Windows (have a dual boot)
[21:24] <knome> okay
[21:24] <knome> i don't know your laptop model, but i'd suggest googling around a bit
[21:25] <xubuntu576> I've searched a lot and tried a lot. Still no luck, that why I'm seeking help....
[21:25] <knome> mhm, good luck with it :)
[21:25] <knome> (you can also ask #ubuntu, since this isn't a xubuntu-specific issue)
[21:26] <xubuntu576> I'll try that. thanks for your efforts
[21:26] <knome> no problem
[21:26] <knome> enjoy xubuntu!


[04:52] <pleia2> "Vacant Developer Membership Board seat: Call for nominations" hasn't gotten through the u-d-announce moderation queue yet, once it lands I'll try to remember to post it to fridge :)