[01:37] <mischa> May 22 12:16:49 localhost kernel:     clusters badly computed (7503 != 7439)
[01:37] <mischa> May 22 12:16:49 localhost kernel: FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda1)
[01:37] <mischa> May 22 12:16:49 localhost kernel:     clusters badly computed (7504 != 7440)
[01:38] <mischa> is there a way to check the /mnt/e partitions for errors?
[01:39] <mischa> vfat it is
[01:39] <bigfoot> hondje, i just checked my headphones with my radio player. It is not working. IOW, the problem is not with Ubuntu or my PC, but with the headphones!
[01:39] <mischa> now my data is gone....can't i trust vfat also...?
[01:39] <bigfoot> aaagh.
[01:39] <ubuntu_nz> i just installed hoary on an aging PIII-450. nearly everything is working fine (i'm typing this from x-chat on it right now)
[01:39] <HappyFool> mischa: you can try umount it and use fsck -- i see there's a fsck.vfat
[01:40] <mischa> ok
[01:40] <ubuntu_nz> but X is only running at 640x480. the vid card is an intel i740
[01:40] <mischa> ill do that
[01:40] <hondje> bigfoot: that's funny
[01:40] <phanter> mischa, I have never had any trouble using vfat (i use it all the time for y data storage in my dual boot laptop)
[01:40] <ubuntu_nz> i've seen this card do 1024x768 with Gnoppix
[01:40] <HappyFool> mischa: maybe read 'man fsck.vfat' first
[01:41] <daniels> ubuntu_nz: known bug, will be fixed in a hoary update soon
[01:41] <daniels> ubuntu_nz: if you want to fix it now, run XORG_SYNC_RANGES=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, from a console
[01:41] <ubuntu_nz> is there a workaround in the meantime?
[01:41] <mischa> still gone
[01:41] <ubuntu_nz> ok... thanks daniels
[01:41] <HappyFool> still gone?
[01:41] <mischa> phanter: i do the same thing
[01:41] <mischa> roger
[01:41] <hondje> ubuntu_nz: If you're not too afraid of the command line, the xorg.conf file is fairly easy to edit
[01:42] <ubuntu_nz> i've been using linux for about 7 years, just never X...
[01:42] <hondje> ah :)
[01:42] <daniels> ubuntu_nz: (when you do that, you may want to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change VertRefresh from 36-60, to 36-100)
[01:42] <ubuntu_nz> i was raised on slackware (and HP-UX before that)
[01:42] <codingmaster> @hondje: there're no problems with r support using ntfs, just rw for ntfs is buggy
[01:42] <hondje> codingmaster: oh, okay.  I totally misread that blurb on /. a few years back then
[01:43] <hondje> I've never used ntfs on any of my hdds
[01:43] <naderman> hello, I've got a problem with ndiswrapper, it lists my driver and hardware as present, ndiswrapper -m tells me "modprobe config already contains alias dircetive" but after reloading the ndiswrapper module, wlan0 doesn't show up in ifconfig and iwconfig
[01:43] <hondje> though I had to set up nfs with windows at work :(
[01:43] <naderman> anybody got an idea, why this happens?
[01:43] <naderman> I used it in the hoary kernel before and it worked
[01:43] <naderman> eh, I used it in warty
[01:43] <naderman> but on hoary it doesn't work.
[01:43] <hans_> do i have to defragment my harddisk like in windows?
[01:43] <hondje> hans_: No
[01:44] <hondje> just dont fill your hdd past 90% full and you should be fine
[01:44] <hans_> dont the files get fragmented in ubuntu?
[01:44] <ubuntu_nz> daniels: my xorg.conf already seems to have detected my monitor (Philips 107T) and put in refresh 50-160
[01:44] <hondje> hans_: Ubuntu hass a pretty nice filesystem
[01:45] <hans_> ext3?
[01:45] <hondje> hans_: yeah
[01:45] <hans_> ok thx
[01:45] <hondje> Someone told me jfs gets fragmented though
[01:45] <daniels> ubuntu_nz: hrm.
[01:46] <daniels> ubuntu_nz: oh, wait, that's OK.
[01:46] <ubuntu_nz> just did a diff between the new file (after running dpkg-reconfig) and the backup
[01:46] <ubuntu_nz> only changes were horizrefresh and vertrefresh
[01:46] <hondje> under screen, display, for the desired colordepth, do you have 1024x768 as a valid mode?
[01:46] <ubuntu_nz> looks like original conf already had hi-res modes there
[01:46] <hans_> if i have to make partition manually on ubuntu installation how should the partiotion table look like then?
[01:47] <hondje> oh, just didn't do your horiz/vert right, ubuntu_nz
[01:47] <hondje> hans_: It really depends on what you're doing, but I like the just make two, one for / and one for /home
[01:47] <ubuntu_nz> under display, it's got modes higher than 640x480 for all color depths
[01:47] <we2by> hondje, you forget the swap
[01:47] <hondje> hans_: That way, if I upgrade to a new distro, I can keep the same settings and stuff in /home, and it makes it easier to just backup /home
[01:47] <hondje> oh yeah, swapt
[01:48] <hans_> thx
[01:48] <hondje> I put it between / and /home, someone told me you get better performance
[01:48] <ubuntu_nz> i'll restart x in a few mins when this ubuntu update is finished
[01:48] <hondje> hans_: but if you're going to be running a server or something, you might want to have them on their own partition
[01:48] <we2by> if I have 10GB at ram, do u think I can keep all stuff in ram to have a greap perfermance?
[01:49] <cusco> hi... is there a way to check for how long is my internet connection active? sort of an uptime .. for internet connection??
[01:49] <we2by> the whole OS and I oly have /home on my hd
[01:49] <hondje> we2by: Instead of swapping?
[01:49] <mischa> finished with fsck.vfat: now i got al lot of files in /mnt/e like this:fsck0000.rec , 170 to be precise..
[01:49] <HappyFool> cusco: you on dial-up ?
[01:49] <mischa> HappyFool: any idea
[01:49] <naderman> we2by: don't you want to install anything?
[01:49] <hondje> we2by: You can do that, like a liveCD, just run everything off a ramdisk
[01:49] <we2by> naderman, they will be install into ram? maybe?
[01:49] <hans_> hodje: how big should the swap partition be?
[01:49] <hondje> You'd have to load it to mem at boottime, but I've heard of something similar done for giant database servers
[01:50] <we2by> hondje, google is using it
[01:50] <hondje> hans_: once upon a time the rule was 150% of your ram
[01:50] <HappyFool> mischa: not really
[01:50] <naderman> but when you turn it off, it will be deleted we2by
[01:50] <cusco> HappyFool: not really...
[01:50] <hondje> Right now I have 768mb of ram, and a gig of swap
[01:50] <cusco> HappyFool: cable
[01:50] <we2by> naderman, I can make a  custome dvd with the OS in it and all software I need
[01:50] <hondje> It's not stateful, but I bet if he got his hack on he could have it write to CD or disk before shutdown
[01:50] <mischa> k, tan xanyway
[01:50] <hondje> That'd be pretty neat
[01:50] <HappyFool> mischa: is it fixed though?
[01:51] <hondje> maybe we2by should get in touch with the lemmix folks
[01:51] <we2by> nah, it's just an idea. I have have that much ram
[01:51] <mischa> no , everything is gone , movies, music, data
[01:51] <hondje> Do you need a special mobo for 10 gigs of ram?
[01:51] <HappyFool> mischa: erk
[01:51] <hondje> we2by, that is?
[01:51] <mischa> exactly
[01:52] <HappyFool> i'm guessing pieces of them are inside those files
[01:52] <HappyFool> but sorting it out could be a mess
[01:52] <we2by> hondje, I menat I don't have
[01:52] <hans_> i have a partition called tmpfs whats that?
[01:52] <HappyFool> you could try running 'file' on each piece, maybe some are recoverable, but i don't think that's too likely
[01:53] <Fator_Dee> hello
[01:53] <hondje> lost file recovery is a bitch :(
[01:53] <HappyFool> cusco: ah, sorry. the dial-up gnome controller tells you time connected, but i don't know about cable
[01:53] <hondje> Does fat/ntfs have inodes like ext3?
[01:54] <kisain> where are the config files stored for synaptic?
[01:54] <HappyFool> /etc/apt/
[01:55] <kisain> ok thank you
[01:56] <kisain> ok here goes i'm gonna try reinstalling ubuntu with raid 1
[01:56] <kisain> any suggestions before i try?
[01:57] <HappyFool> backup
[01:57] <HappyFool> ;)
[01:57] <kisain> lol
[01:57] <kisain> i was gonna do a backup but i have a dual boot system
[01:57] <Fator_Dee> plug'n pray
[01:57] <kisain> and i'm afraid that when i setup software raid 1 that the backup would be useless
[01:58] <kisain> plug n play nice lol
[01:58] <kisain> pray even lol
[01:58] <kisain> thats why i haven't backed up
[01:58] <mischa> HappyFool: the strange thing is that the other dirs( windows dirs) are still there, only all linux created dirs are gone
[01:59] <kisain> will the backup i make run on the new system?
[01:59] <HappyFool> kisain: well, you ought to back up any of *your* data
[01:59] <kisain> even though it won't be dual boot?
[01:59] <HappyFool> kisain: there's no point backing up program files or whatever
[02:00] <HappyFool> kisain: but if you have ... i don't know, photos, email archives or whatever, you can't replace those
[02:00] <hondje>  always backup /etc and /usr/local/bin :(
[02:00] <kisain> oh it's ok
[02:00] <hondje> nothing sucks worse than having to redo all your /etc/*.conf files
[02:00] <kisain> i am just gonna have to get the vid card to work again lol
[02:00] <HappyFool> assuming you've manually tweaked them
[02:00] <hondje> or rewrite your /usr/local/bin scripts
[02:00] <hondje> HappyFool: True, taht is a big assumption
[02:01] <zubuntu> hi folks :)
[02:01] <sysLink> hi
[02:01] <kisain> unless i can back up the files that tell the computer that i'musing the nvidia card instead of the onboard
[02:01] <zubuntu> first of all, I wanted to say a great thanks for ubuntu team
[02:01] <hondje> kisain: /etc/X11/xorg.conf :)
[02:01] <kisain> i can actually back that up?
[02:01] <hondje> Sure
[02:01] <kisain> O_o
[02:01] <hondje> It's just a small txt file
[02:01] <kisain> holy shit awsome
[02:02] <Seveas> kisain, you can backup everything you want
[02:02] <hondje> and remaking it by hand takes too long, because I have to go find crap like horiz refresh rate :(
[02:02] <Seveas> everything is in simple files
[02:02] <kisain> nice
[02:02] <kisain> ^_^
[02:02] <hondje> kisain: most of your config files are in /etc
[02:03] <kisain> now this dosen't have to do anything with the boot menu on my dual boot no?
[02:03] <myself> hi
[02:03] <hondje> Um, I think grub is in /boot/grub
[02:03] <freewoody> Hi all
[02:03] <myself> could someone please tell me how to mount a fat32 partition with read and write for a user
[02:03] <kisain> and i'll stikk need to get the drivers afterwards to yes
[02:03] <hondje> I haven't dual booted since I figured out how to install matlab in non-RH distros :)
[02:03] <freewoody> How do I setup a PPPoE Server in Ubuntu ?
[02:03] <ubuntu_nz> daniels: thanks, your suggestion worked. hi res modes available now.
[02:03] <zubuntu> can someone please tell me how to uinstall kde on ubuntu without downloading kubuntu (my internet connexion is so bad!!)
[02:04] <freewoody> How hard will that be
[02:04] <daniels> ubuntu_nz: cool
[02:04] <we2by> hondje, how much did you pay for that?
[02:04] <hondje> myself: mount -t vfat /dev/hd?? /mnt/point/you/picked
[02:04] <Riddell> zubuntu: apt-get install kde-core
[02:04] <myself> and in fstab? with read and write!
[02:04] <hondje> zubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop IIRC
[02:04] <hondje> hrm
[02:04] <Fator_Dee> myself: www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:04] <zubuntu> i can't even use the tool shiped along with ubuntu, coz my box isn't connected to Internet
[02:04] <myself> ok, thx
[02:04] <hondje> for options, I'd put rw,user,noauto
[02:05] <hondje> though you'd have to mount it at boottime manually then
[02:05] <kisain> i have discoverd that linux is better than winsucks
[02:05] <freewoody> How do I setup a PPPoE connection in Ubuntu ?
[02:05] <zubuntu> Is it possible to download everything and get it home in my flashdisk?
[02:05] <kisain> IS even
[02:05] <hondje> if you want it magically done, /dev/hd??    /mnt/point   vfat    rw,user,auto,owner   0    0, perhaps
[02:05] <zubuntu> and then install offline?
[02:05] <Fator_Dee> kisain: how is that new information ;-)
[02:05] <HappyFool> zubuntu: you'll have to resolve all the package dependencies yourself
[02:05] <hondje> zubuntu: interesting question
[02:06] <kisain> well it's new to me lol
[02:06] <HappyFool> zubuntu: you *might* be able to do so if you use packages.ubuntu.com, but it'll be a long process
[02:06] <zubuntu> thanks :) but how can i do that? download some debs?
[02:06] <hondje> yeah
[02:06] <hondje> apt-get has an option for download only
[02:06] <Seveas> zubuntu, if you are on another ubuntu machine, you can use apt-zip
[02:06] <zzyber> im thinking of installing Suse 9.3, does someone have experience of suse since novell bought it?
[02:06] <HappyFool> zubuntu: go to packages.ubuntu.com, and search for "kde-core", and follow the dependency trail
[02:06] <kisain> and besides it's nice not having to pay 60$ us for microcrap tech suppoert
[02:06] <hondje> zzyber: I gave it a test drive for the boss at wrok once
[02:06] <HappyFool> zubuntu: only i don't know how you'll know when to stop
[02:07] <kisain> they usually blam your hardfware anyway lol
[02:07] <zubuntu> no :( alas now i'm on zindowz machina :'(
[02:07] <zzyber> hondje, so did you like it?
[02:07] <HappyFool> zzyber: maybe ask in #suse ?
[02:07] <hondje> zzyber: Very much
[02:07] <hondje> I borrowed his laptop, brand-new with all the toys, and everything installed and detected perfectly
[02:07] <hondje> It was stable, suspended and all that, wifi worked
[02:08] <kisain> well i'm off to try software raid 1 wish me luck lol
[02:08] <zubuntu> what if some kind dude download kubuntu for me and send it to me in exchange of a great jazz compilation cd?
[02:08] <hondje> I was really impressed, almost went with Novell instead of Ubuntu, though the magic of apt kept me in the debian family, if I had a laptop I'd buy novell
[02:08] <zzyber> HappyFool, no not in #suse, im a debian user in heart and i want you guys to give your view
[02:08] <freewoody> Can somebody help me with Exim Mail config ?
[02:09] <hondje> zzyber: FWIW, I've used RH, MDK, and Debian for 5 years, still use debian for everything BUT this desktop, but I'm not really a computer smart-guy
[02:09] <zubuntu> no one is interested?
[02:09] <hondje> experience desktop user, perhaps
[02:09] <hondje> zubuntu: kubuntu doesn't have a free-cd program like ubuntu?
[02:09] <zubuntu> yes, i do know
[02:09] <zzyber> hondje, i have only used debian/ubuntu for all my comuters and servers for years too
[02:10] <zubuntu> but with your connexion u can download the iso
[02:10] <fonsken> someone knows a program that can batch-convert jpg-files?
[02:10] <Riddell> zubuntu: see /msg
[02:10] <HappyFool> zubuntu: perhaps you can find a company near you that will download and burn a cd for a small fee. around here it costs something like US$ 5
[02:10] <hans_> hondje: whats a free-cd program?
[02:10] <zubuntu> it's simply impossible with my mine 56k/s  (actually 5k/s)
[02:10] <hondje> hans_: I saw on ubuntu's website that if you ask, they'll mail you a free ubuntu install disk
[02:10] <hans_> oh that u mean right
[02:10] <hondje> I thought that was rather nice of them, shuttleworth has gone up a step in my book
[02:11] <hondje> zzyber: If it's for a laptop, I'd say novell
[02:11] <hondje> zzyber: But if you're doing it for a desktop, and already know how deb/ubuntu work, then I'd stick with ubuntu for the desktop
[02:11] <zubuntu> what if i sing a song for you?
[02:11] <zubuntu> no way? :)
[02:12] <hondje> zubuntu: where do you live?
[02:12] <hans_> i like gnome..its far better than kde
[02:12] <zzyber> hondje, i probably will go back to ubuntu but i think i will give it a try
[02:12] <hondje> zzyber: It's a good idea to see, they're doing a lot of good work there
[02:12] <zubuntu> algeria: africa where ubuntu born
[02:12] <hondje> I'm glad novell is dumping work into gnome, too
[02:12] <cubs156200> what is the minumum space requirement to install ubuntu?
[02:12] <MobyTurbo> zubuntu, it's not "impossible", it takes 30 hours for a single full iso at a typical ~56k connection, and if you don't want to tie up your system you can always wget -c it while you're at work or asleep.
[02:12] <hondje> zubuntu: Oh, I'd mail you one but that'd be really pricey internationally
[02:13] <zubuntu> 30hours?? i'm not rockfeller!
[02:13] <zubuntu> and it's not really 56k but around 5 up to 10kb/s
[02:13] <hondje> zubuntu: You pay by how much you download?
[02:13] <HappyFool> probably per time connected
[02:14] <MobyTurbo> zubuntu, where do you live? Here we have flat rate plans.
[02:14] <tga> cubs156200: what do you want to do with it?
[02:14] <zubuntu> algeria
[02:14] <hondje> wow, algeria is online too now, that's so awesome
[02:14] <tga> cubs156200: it's a good question actually, I don't remember how much space the 'server' install took
[02:14] <cubs156200> just see what is like
[02:14] <tga> everywhere is online now, just get a sat phone
[02:14] <hondje> I was chatting with some dude from mongolia the other day online...
[02:14] <cubs156200> maybe get rid of windows
[02:15] <tga> cubs156200: get the live cd.. it runs off the cd without writing to your drive
[02:15] <zubuntu> algeria is online  !! lol I'm a webdevelopper and algeria have been online that's a long time now :)
[02:15] <Arvin> Helo
[02:15] <MobyTurbo> I talked to someone via IM from Algeria once, he showed me some pictures of Algeria, pretty country.
[02:15] <tga> cubs156200: it's not as fast and as flexible but you get to play with it
[02:15] <hondje> I saw some pics of albania tonight, amazing beachers :0
[02:15] <cubs156200> i tried it
[02:15] <hans_> i installed kde by typing sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop..how to i erase it?
[02:15] <cubs156200> but tooo slow
[02:15] <tga> cubs156200: well how much space are you offering? :)
[02:15] <zubuntu> MobyTurbo> thanks :)
[02:16] <shiv> I am a newbie, where do I do this Setting general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 in about:config seems to let me
[02:16] <cubs156200> 10 gb is enough right
[02:16] <shiv> access addons.mozilla.org
[02:16] <MobyTurbo> hondje, albania has internet? :-)
[02:16] <tga> hans_: you can try to apt-get remove kdebase or something, and it will pull down a part of it
[02:16] <shiv> this is for firefox
[02:16] <hondje> MobyTurbo: At least in the capital
[02:16] <hans_> thx
[02:16] <HappyFool> shiv: type 'about:config' in the address bar
[02:16] <hondje> bad connection, it sounded like, he couldn't keep up long enough to upload images
[02:16] <tg_> I wanted to install ejabberd and it does not exist in synaptic list. But there is an ubuntu package. How do i install without downloading eachfile?
[02:17] <tga> hondje: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23643.html
[02:17] <tga> hondje: erm, wrong nick
[02:17] <tga> hans_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23643.html
[02:17] <hondje> hehe
[02:17] <MobyTurbo> tg_, add universe and maybe also you need multiverse
[02:17] <hondje> I was thinking about running my own jabberd, jabber.org has been shaky the last week or two
[02:17] <niklin> Can some of you give me som advise on activating (?) software raid devices (/dev/mdx) at startup?
[02:18] <hans_> tga: thx
[02:18] <zubuntu> is there somewhere on the internet a tar.gz of all the .debs of kde that i can use with ubuntu?
[02:18] <tga> hans_: np, the forums know it all
[02:18] <niklin> I have 4 raid's, but only the two I configured at installation will get activated and mounted at boot
[02:18] <hondje> zubuntu: try this
[02:18] <shiv> thanks
[02:18] <shiv> that worked
[02:18] <hondje> zubuntu: apt-get clean to empty your apt cache
[02:18] <shiv> :)
[02:18] <bob2> zubuntu: why?
[02:18] <hondje> Then you apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, using the switch that makes it just download
[02:19] <hondje> then in /var/cache/apt/archive (or something like that), you'll have all the .debs for kubuntu, and you can cp those to your flashcard
[02:19] <MobyTurbo> zubuntu, oh, you're already running ubuntu. You can install all of kubuntu by installing kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-default-settings. About 110MB, or 5 hours.
[02:19] <zubuntu> to download the whole stuff and take 'm home (where i have no Internet) and dezip 'em and install the stuff
[02:19] <zubuntu> easy to understand, isn't it? ;)
[02:20] <bob2> zubuntu: use apt-zip
[02:20] <tga> zubuntu: if you have a decent net connection you could get the kubuntu cd and add it as a source at home
[02:20] <niklin> I can manually run "mdrun" and then mount the raid devices, but what decides which partitions that is initialized at boot?
[02:20] <tga> niklin: use mdadm, config is in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[02:21] <niklin> ok
[02:21] <zubuntu> but the machine i use at home isn't connected to internet and this sadik one is a windoz one
[02:21] <tga> zubuntu: more reason to get the kubuntu cd and just burn it
[02:22] <hondje> zubuntu: oh, so apt is out of the picture ofr you
[02:22] <bob2> zubuntu: yes, you can use apt-zip for that
[02:22] <zubuntu> how to do that? get the kubuntu cd?
[02:22] <zubuntu> by downloading? impossible!!!
[02:22] <hondje> zubuntu: I see your problem
[02:22] <bob2> zubuntu: please stop talking and install apt-zip
[02:23] <hondje> bob2: he's in windows
[02:23] <zubuntu> bob2: I'm on windows xp now :'(
[02:23] <hondje> zubuntu: okay man, I'm going to take mercy upon you, and see if I can't get you your debs
[02:24] <k31th> Wats the correct permissions for a mount point
[02:24] <k31th> i mounted it manually
[02:24] <zubuntu> hondje: thanks brotha :) you're an angel an ubuntungel
[02:24] <k31th> and no users can access it
[02:24] <k31th> its mounted in sda1
[02:24] <shiv> I installed Tabbrowser pref, Single Window ad Tab clicking options; I can't configure Tabbrowser prefs its greyed out in firefox, what to do?
[02:24] <k31th> sorry its mounted in /mnt/sda1
[02:24] <hondje> zubuntu: No promises, but I'm looking for you
[02:25] <k31th> do i just chmod it to say 666 ?
[02:25] <Riddell> k31th: mount with  -o user
[02:25] <hondje> zubuntu: how about a list of all the packages, and the site
[02:26] <hondje> You'd have to do them one-by-one, but will that work for you?
[02:26] <zubuntu> they're many?
[02:26] <hondje> yes, there are a lot
[02:26] <hondje> That's why apt-get is so nice :)
[02:26] <k31th> Riddell: thanks dude
[02:26] <zubuntu> and windoz so shity :)
[02:28] <zubuntu> hondje: thanks brother anyway :) a kind dude promised to send me the cd :)
[02:28] <hondje> zubuntu: i386?
[02:28] <hondje> zubuntu: oh, good deal :)
[02:28] <k31th> Riddell: that still does not wotk
[02:28] <k31th> wrk
[02:28] <hondje> Though it's a shame I couldnt mail you one, get a algerian post card ;-)
[02:28] <hans_> is there a key kombination with which i can go back to desktop for example in games...like the windows key in windows
[02:29] <zubuntu> yes i386
[02:29] <hondje> then again, homeland security would have my ass for that
[02:29] <we2by> I have order my Ubuntu cd weeks ago and still not receicing it. :(
[02:29] <zubuntu> hondje> no problem for the postcard and a jazz compilation by the way too :)
[02:29] <niklin> All my md devices are listed in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf - so what am I going to do with mdadm?
[02:29] <bob2> we2by: yes, it will be up to a few weeks more
[02:29] <hondje> I almost asked them for one, but I figure 'don't be greedy, I have cable and a burner'
[02:30] <zubuntu> hondje: you're already in paradise :)
[02:30] <hondje> hehe, that's for damn sure :)
[02:30] <hans_> hondje:thats whar i thought too ;)
[02:30] <hondje> Save the CDs for people who need 'em :)
[02:30] <hondje> zubuntu: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/ is where the .debs are
[02:30] <Myrtti> Saddam Echelon Iraq H-bomb Russians Iran Korea Kim Il-Jung
[02:30] <ubuntu_nz> next question... i've just connected an ATAPI ZIP drive to my system. shows up as /dev/hdd - how do i get it to appear under the 'Computer' Gnome VFS folder?
[02:30] <hondje> though you might want to switch .us.archive.ubuntu.com with another nation
[02:31] <niklin> how is mdadm going to decide which md devices that get startet at boot?
[02:31] <hondje> ubuntu_nz: Let me know if you figure that out
[02:31] <hondje> I can only get it to show where I mount it
[02:31] <hondje> mines scsi/parallel though
[02:31] <MarioOs> hello
[02:32] <zubuntu> why the heck isn't that burned with the cd? not enough place, /
[02:32] <hondje>   enscript gnupg-agent gwenview imagemagick juk k3b k3blibs kaddressbook
[02:32] <hondje>   kaffeine kalarm kamera kappfinder karm kate kaudiocreator kcalc kcharselect
[02:32] <hondje>   kcontrol kcron kde-style-lipstik kdeadmin kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdebase
[02:32] <hondje>   kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdegraphics
[02:32] <hondje>   kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4 kdemultimedia
[02:32] <hondje>   kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins
[02:32] <hondje>   kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork kdenetwork-filesharing
[02:32] <hondje>   kdenetwork-kfile-plugins kdepasswd kdepim kdepim-kfile-plugins
[02:32] <hondje>   kdepim-kio-plugins kdepim-wizards kdeprint kdesktop kdeutils kdm kfind
[02:32] <count0nzl> ubuntu_nz, hay is it just me of did most of nz drop off the net 30 mins ago ?
[02:32] <hondje>   kfloppy kgamma kghostview kgpg khelpcenter kicker kitchensync klaptopdaemon
[02:32] <ubuntu_nz> hmm ok. no matter. i'm only loading ubuntu on this old clunker pc to sell it. so that i don't violate any licenses by selling a pirated copy of windows with it
[02:32] <hondje>   klipper kmail kmailcvt kmenuedit kmilo kmix kmrml knetworkconf knewsticker
[02:32] <tga> hondje: yer floodin
[02:32] <hondje>   knode knotes kolourpaint konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konserve
[02:32] <hondje>   konsole konsolekalendar kontact konversation kooka kopete korganizer kpager
[02:32] <hondje>   kpdf kpersonalizer kpf kpilot kppp krdc kregexpeditor krfb kscd kscreensaver
[02:32] <hondje>   ksim ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksvg ksync ksysguard ksysguardd ktnef
[02:32] <hondje>   kubuntu-default-settings kubuntu-desktop kuser kwalletmanager kwifimanager
[02:32] <hondje>   kwin kynaptic libarts1 libarts1-audiofile libarts1-xine libflac++4 libgadu3
[02:32] <hondje>   libgpgme11 libjpeg-progs libkcal2a libkcddb1 libkdepim1 libkgantt0 libkipi0
[02:32] <Myrtti> thanks hondje
[02:32] <Myrtti> I needed that
[02:32] <hondje>   libkleopatra0a libkonq4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libkscan1
[02:32] <hondje>   libksieve0 libktnef1 libltdl3 libmal1 libmimelib1a libnetpbm10 liboggflac1
[02:32] <hondje>   libopenexr2 libpcre3 libpth2 librss1 libsamplerate0 libsensors3 libsnmp-base
[02:33] <hondje>   libsnmp5 libsqlite3-0 libtag1 libtunepimp-bin libtunepimp2 libxcomposite1
[02:33] <hondje>   menu-xdg netpbm networkstatus openoffice.org-kde pinentry-qt poster psutils
[02:33] <ubuntu_nz> count0nzl: errm, not that i noticed. you having probs with somewhere in particular?
[02:33] <hondje>   secpolicy
[02:33] <zubuntu> me ttoo :)
[02:33] <hondje> There's the list, if you want to do it by hand, just the required ones though
[02:33] <bob2> hondje: please don't do that in here in future
[02:33] <tga> bad hondje
[02:33] <shiv> Is there a way to open links that work with windows media player in the browser with  totem?
[02:33] <hondje> yeah, I did /msg instead of query, mea culpa
[02:33] <count0nzl> ubuntu_nz, lost the net.. prob orcon :) happy my ipv6 works now tho :)
[02:33] <tga> shiv: get mplayer to work and install mplayerplug-in
[02:33] <zubuntu> what a lovely little brother :)
[02:33] <ubuntu_nz> count0nzl: yuppie
[02:34] <Vjaz> Anyone using Opera 8?
[02:34] <Dave2|irssi> Me.
[02:34] <Dave2|irssi> Well, I would be if X worked
[02:34] <Vjaz> I'm noticing it crashes a lot.
[02:34] <Vjaz> Does it do that on your system?
[02:34] <Dave2|irssi> Can't say I've noticed that
[02:34] <Vjaz> Ok.
[02:34] <Vjaz> To me it does it every day, multiple times.
[02:34] <Dave2|irssi> strange
[02:34] <Vjaz> Did you install the sarge package or something else?
[02:34] <dust> lo
[02:34] <Dave2|irssi> I can't remember
[02:35] <hondje> where could I post a problem that would get the widest viewing?
[02:35] <hondje> I have a problem that only a small number of people can help with, I fear
[02:35] <Dave2|irssi> Sarge package
[02:35] <dust> anyone have an ati radeon card working that wouldn't mind helping me out?
[02:35] <Blaamann> I changed from esd to polypaudio and lost sound in Rhythmbox. I then changed my multimedia standard sink to OSS and it works again,  but I don't understand why ? I thought I should find a polypaudio choice in there I had to choose.
[02:35] <we2by> dust, here
[02:35] <Burgundavia> dust, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:35] <Vjaz> Dave2|irssi: Ok. That's weird then.
[02:35] <Vjaz> Dave2|irssi: I assume you're running Hoary?
[02:35] <Dave2|irssi> Breezy. Yes, I know, /topic etc.
[02:36] <bob2> hondje: just ask
[02:36] <bob2> hondje: then try the list if no one here knows
[02:36] <hondje> oh, a list, I like those
[02:36] <dust> Burgundavia: thanks, i'll look into it
[02:36] <hondje> I'm trying to find someone that got matlab openGL working with nvidia and ubuntu
[02:37] <Vjaz> Dave2|irssi: Hey. Do you use the mouse gestures in Opera?
[02:37] <Dave2|irssi> Not very heavily
[02:37] <Dave2|irssi> The back one occasionally
[02:37] <Vjaz> Dave2|irssi: Because I'm usually doing a gesture when it crashes.
[02:37] <ubuntu_nz> hondje: check this out, re ZIP drives - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-12074.html
[02:37] <Dave2|irssi> ah
[02:37] <Vjaz> Dave2|irssi: I think it mostly happens when I'm closing a tab.
[02:38] <Vjaz> page*
[02:38] <naderman> I've got a problem with ndiswrapper, it lists my driver and hardware as present, ndiswrapper -m tells me "modprobe config already contains alias dircetive" but after reloading the ndiswrapper module, wlan0 doesn't show up in ifconfig and iwconfig
[02:38] <hondje> ubuntu_nz: thanks, that's bookmark-able
[02:38] <shiv> I get this error message when instaling mplayer, I am not sure if I have the repositories enabled (see #flood)
[02:39] <k31th> wtf this is pissing me off iv added this mount to fstab and it still wont let a standard user acces it
[02:39] <k31th> even tho i added user to the fstab file
[02:39] <bob2> k31th: that's not what the user option does
[02:39] <k31th> wtf not? root can acces it fine
[02:39] <hondje> shiv: flood again plz?
[02:39] <bob2> k31th: if it's a ntfs/vfat filesystem, replace user with umask=002
[02:39] <k31th> bob2: thank you
[02:40] <hondje> shiv: Are you using multiverse or the marillat repos?
[02:40] <kisain> um i have a question
[02:40] <kisain> i'm on my windoze machene
[02:40] <kisain> and starting the ubuntu setup from cd
[02:40] <Blaamann> shiv: ubuntuaddons gives you mplayer
[02:40] <kisain> i was wonderig where the software raid 1 option is in the setup?
[02:41] <naderman> hmm, I completely recompiled and reinstalled ndiswrapper but wlan0 still doesn't show up.
[02:41] <we2by> mplayer does no work on my machine
[02:41] <we2by> :(
[02:41] <shiv> I have no idea which repos i have, i am a newbie
[02:41] <bob2> shiv: it's because you put marillat in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:41] <hondje> shiv: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep marr
[02:41] <bob2> probably because someone told you to and you didn't question them
[02:41] <bob2> just remove it
[02:42] <Blaamann> Why is marillat bad ?
[02:42] <bob2> because it doesn't actually work with ubuntu
[02:42] <kisain> any ideas?
[02:43] <bob2> sometimes some of the things do, but atm mplayer, for instance, doesn't
[02:43] <Blaamann> Ok, I better remove it then
[02:43] <bob2> kisain: boot the expert mode
[02:43] <Burgundavia> shiv, if you want that stuff, hoary-extras from the backports is available
[02:43] <kisain> bob2 how do i do that?
[02:43] <kisain> and thanx
[02:43] <bob2> kisain: read the screen when it boots, it explains it
[02:43] <kisain> ok
[02:43] <k31th> bob2: that did not work now it wont even mount
[02:43] <bob2> k31th: then your fstab is broken
[02:43] <bob2> k31th: paste the whole thing to #flood
[02:44] <k31th> bob2: ok
[02:46] <kisain> the help file tells me to type expert but do i do this at the setup screen when i turn the box on and it boots from the cd?
[02:47] <niklin> sudo mdadm /dev/md0 gives me weird ansvers: Without --detail I get "/dev/md0: No md super block found, not an md component." --- with --detail, one line sounds "    Persistence : Superblock is persistent". what does it mean+
[02:47] <dust> no dice on getting 3d acc :(
[02:47] <naderman> nobody had this ndiswrapper problem I have?
[02:47] <Nermal> naderman: ?
[02:47] <dust> DRI isn't loading for some reason
[02:47] <hemppa> kisain: type expert to first menu that appears
[02:47] <naderman> Nermal: ndiswrapper lists my driver and hardware as present, ndiswrapper -m tells me "modprobe config already contains alias dircetive" but after reloading the ndiswrapper module, wlan0 doesn't show up in ifconfig and iwconfig
[02:48] <naderman> I also recompiled ndiswrapper, and reinstalled it
[02:48] <naderman> but still no device shows up :(
[02:49] <bob2> k31th: if you add the user option, it won't mount at boot
[02:49] <bob2> kisain: yes
[02:49] <Seveas> bob2, don't you need noauto for taht?
[02:49] <k31th> bob2:   so if i leave as is it will mount at boot ?
[02:50] <bob2> hm, I thougt user implied noauto, but it seems I'm wrong
[02:50] <naderman> Nermal: any idea?
[02:50] <Seveas> user implies noexec,nodev,nosuid
[02:51] <yahalom> is there anyway to do a server install and then configure pppoe?
[02:51] <bob2> yahalom: of course...
[02:51] <kisain> ok
[02:51] <kisain> i did tha wow does it get complicated lol
[02:51] <Blaamann> naderman: What kind of wireless card are you using ?
[02:51] <naderman> pci
[02:52] <naderman> it worked with warty
[02:52] <urb85> hello ppl
[02:52] <naderman> but in hoary ifconfig and iwconfig don't show wlan0
[02:52] <Seveas> naderman, have you reinstalled or upgraded?
[02:52] <naderman> I have upgraded
[02:52] <Blaamann> naderman: What about iwlist scan ?
[02:53] <Seveas> and does ndiswrapper -l still say that drivers & hardware are there?
[02:53] <yahalom> bob2, how?
[02:53] <naderman> doesn't show anything, cause it doesn't find a wireless device
[02:53] <naderman> Seveas: yes
[02:53] <bob2> yahalom: run 'sudo pppoeconf' after install
[02:53] <yahalom> bob2, just install the pppoe files and run them, it doesnt need x?
[02:53] <Seveas> and is the ndiswrapper module loaded?
[02:53] <naderman> yes
[02:54] <Seveas> and have you typed ndiswrapper -m since upgrading (don't know if it's neccessary but it won't hurt)
[02:54] <naderman> yes, I did
[02:54] <naderman> and yes, the alias is in /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
[02:54] <naderman> wlan0 alias ndiswrapper
[02:54] <naderman> eh
[02:54] <naderman> alias wlan0 ndiswrapper
[02:54] <urb85> ppl, doeas somebody of you know where this folder is: $QTDIR/examples/demo ??
[02:55] <Nermal> you install qt ?
[02:55] <Nermal> why not do locate demo |grep qt
[02:55] <Seveas> urb85, my guess: /usr/shae/doc/something-with-qt-in-the-name/examples/demo
[02:55] <kisain> bob2 any idea where and what i need to do to get the expert install going with raid 1?
[02:55] <Seveas>  /usr/share even
[02:55] <urb85> Seveas, thanks I will try
[02:55] <bob2> kisain: you don't want raid 1, that would be trivial
[02:55] <Nermal> or /usr/lib/qt/3
[02:56] <bob2> kisain: you want "root on software raid", which is way more complicated
[02:56] <kisain> um yes
[02:56] <naderman> Seveas: any other idea what might be the problem?
[02:56] <bob2> so make sure you say that when you ask people for help
[02:57] <Seveas> you say wlan0 does not even show up, are you 100% sure the module is loaded? try lsmod | grep ndis
[02:57] <kisain> is it really something i shouldne't do?
[02:57] <naderman> Seveas: yes, did that
[02:57] <naderman> and yes, it is loaded
[02:57] <naderman> 150% sure :P
[02:58] <E0x> hello
[02:58] <Seveas> i'm wondering..
[02:58] <naderman> so am I
[02:58] <mod^> what program can emulate cd's, like daemon tools?
[02:58] <Seveas> mod^, you don't need to emulate it
[02:58] <Fator_Dee> mod^: mount
[02:58] <Seveas> you can simply mount cd images
[02:58] <hondje> mod^: You can use nautilus to burn stuff to ISOs
[02:58] <mod^> well
[02:58] <hondje> and then mount them using loopback
[02:59] <mod^> this is 1.4gb iso
[02:59] <urb85> Seveas, sorry not there
[02:59] <mod^> so I can't burn it
[02:59] <refuze2looze> then it's a DVD iso...
[02:59] <whyameye> I'm using ndiswrapper w/ a wireless card right now. If I wanted to switch wireless cards, what would be the procedure i.e. is it "plug and play" or is the ndiswrapper for the old card going to try to load when I put it in?
[02:59] <mod^> yes
[02:59] <Seveas> naderman, try removing the drivers (maybe even remove the files from /etc/ndiswrapper) and reinstalling them
[02:59] <E0x> have problem with ipod and hoary , when i connect it ubuntu automount it ( a nice thing ) fine and i can access with data fine and write permission fine , but when i use program like gtkpod or easytag on it make the ipod unwriteable
[02:59] <refuze2looze> you can mount the .iso instead of burning it
[02:59] <naderman> Seveas: did so two times
[02:59] <Seveas> whyameye, plug-and-play
[02:59] <naderman> even recompiled ndiswrapper
[02:59] <mod^> refuze2looze: ok
[02:59] <kisain> sorry got disconnected lol
[03:00] <ec0> Could anyone say why Ubuntu is better than the other distributions? :)
[03:00] <Fator_Dee> mod^: something like this "sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/isofile /path/to/mount/isofile"
[03:00] <refuze2looze> mod^: try this:   sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso
[03:00] <ec0> Like slack..
[03:00] <Seveas> naderman, mount -o loop /path/to/isofile /path/to/mountpoint
[03:00] <whyameye> Seveas: so I already tried this and the link didn't come up. So that means the driver for the new card must not yet be on my local computer, huh?
[03:00] <refuze2looze> mod^: create the dir /mnt/iso first
[03:00] <bob2> ec0: no, try it and see
[03:00] <mod^> ok, thanks :)
[03:00] <ec0> but it worth it, right?
[03:00] <ec0> :)
[03:00] <Seveas> whyameye, if you use ndiswrapper, you need to install the windows drivers for your card using ndiswrapper -i
[03:00] <naderman> Seveas: you meant mod^ didn't you?
[03:01] <Seveas> mod^, mount -o loop /path/to/isofile /path/to/mountpoint
[03:01] <Seveas> indeed, mixup, sorry naderman
[03:01] <naderman> np ;-)
[03:01] <Seveas> wish i could help you too, but i really have no idea what's wrong
[03:01] <Seveas> lspci does show your card?
[03:01] <naderman> it seems like modprobe doesn't add the alias
[03:01] <naderman> yes, it shows it
[03:02] <refuze2looze> doesn't he need to specify the filesystem using -t iso9660?
[03:02] <whyameye> Seveas, so can I have more than one wireless driver installed thru ndiswrapper, and the os takes care of activating the right driver based on which card I put in?
[03:02] <naderman> so how can I make modprobe add that alias
[03:02] <Seveas> whyameye, it should
[03:03] <Seveas> naderman, the ndiswrapper aliases file is not somewhere under /etc/modprobe.d/arch/ is it?
[03:03] <naderman> it's /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
[03:03] <Seveas> naderman, try a depmod -a before inserting the module and dmesg right after
[03:04] <Seveas> and see what dmesg says
[03:04] <naderman> ok
[03:04] <whyameye> Seveas, thanks. I'll give it a shot...
[03:04] <LinuxJones> Good morning everybody
[03:04] <naderman> ndiswrapper version 1.1 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)
[03:05] <naderman> nothing more than that
[03:05] <Seveas> :|
[03:05] <naderman> can you manually add aliases?
[03:05] <Seveas> i must confess that i have never used ndiswrapper on hoary
[03:05] <naderman> or how does iwconfig/ifconfig get the network devices?
[03:06] <Seveas> naderman, try: cat /proc/net/dev
[03:06] <thenuke_> does anyone know what is this? http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/hoary/install/ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso   or this http://torrent.ubuntu.com/custom/20050516/hoary-install-i386.iso
[03:06] <Seveas> does it show uo there?
[03:06] <naderman> no
[03:06] <whyameye> Seveas, I'm using ndiswrapper on hoary now. It works great.
[03:07] <Seveas> naderman, hmm, somehow your driver isn't loaded into the kernel
[03:07] <naderman> yeah, but why? :'(
[03:07] <Seveas> no clue :S
[03:07] <refuze2looze> thenuke_: the first one is the install cd for amd64 processors and the second for x86 processors..
[03:08] <thenuke_> refuze2looze: oh :-) seems like so, but custom and simple?
[03:08] <Seveas> so lets wrap up: ndiswrapper -l shows it, it loads fine, the alias is added, but the driver somehow is not loaded. Is that correct?
[03:08] <naderman> yes
[03:08] <refuze2looze> custom and simple?
[03:08] <thenuke_> refuze2looze: check the urls
[03:09] <Seveas> naderman, i am stunned :S i'd suggest asking on the mailinglsit, since there are lots more people who can read it there
[03:09] <refuze2looze> thenuke_: yeah, it starts downloading the file. what's the problem?
[03:09] <Fox_Mulder> hy
[03:09] <naderman> Seveas: which one?
[03:09] <Fox_Mulder> people, my laptop blocks with acpi on...
[03:09] <Fox_Mulder> what I have to do?
[03:09] <Seveas> naderman<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:09] <naderman> ok
[03:09] <Fikrann> Hello.
[03:09] <Seveas> Fox_Mulder, boot with acpi off :)
[03:10] <thenuke_> refuze2looze: pffft.. What is the difference between, http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/hoary/install/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso  and http://torrent.ubuntu.com/custom/20050516/hoary-install-i386.iso
[03:10] <Fox_Mulder> Seveas: I want boot with acpi on
[03:10] <Seveas> thenuke_, they are symlinks
[03:10] <Fikrann> Anyone here using OO.org on bleeding-edge Breezy?
[03:10] <hillel> What is the package name of the package with the kernel source for 2.6.10-5?
[03:10] <Seveas> Fox_Mulder, warty or hoary?
[03:10] <Fox_Mulder> hoary
[03:10] <Seveas> file a bug then :)
[03:10] <thenuke_> Seveas: but point to different files anyways
[03:11] <thenuke_> Seveas: so.. what might be the difference
[03:11] <Seveas> thenuke_, is that so? hmm
[03:11] <nitroXL> i had the same problem .. i had to put acpi=off and pnpbios=off
[03:11] <thenuke_> yes, their sizes differ
[03:11] <Fox_Mulder> Seveas: I have download the acpi patch to kernel
[03:11] <Seveas> ah, i see, it's a custom cd
[03:11] <Fox_Mulder> but gives me one error whe I'm compiling the kernel
[03:11] <thenuke_> Seveas: ok, so what might that mean :)
[03:12] <Seveas> no idea :)
[03:12] <Fikrann> Is anyone here having problems with OO.org on Breezy?
[03:12] <Fox_Mulder> make[2] : *** [drivers/pci/quirks.o]  Error 1
[03:12] <Burgundavia> Fikrann, there are some reported ones
[03:12] <thenuke_> Fikrann: why did you upgrade to breezy :I
[03:12] <Burgundavia> Fikrann, which problem specifically?
[03:13] <Vjaz> Bah, I'm disappointed. The Glade interface builder's own interface is not made with Glade.
[03:13] <Fikrann> When I click on any menu in OO, it crashes instantly.
[03:13] <Seveas> has been reported :)
[03:14] <refuze2looze> fikrann: you probably shouldn't use breezy yet
[03:14] <_kevin> i noticed if you leave Ubuntu runnin on over night or for like more then a day it slows down alot
[03:14] <Fikrann> I'm quite used to hanging on Debian's bleeding edge.
[03:14] <_kevin> and the Nautulis thingy keeps crashing
[03:14] <_kevin> if u leave it on for a long time
[03:14] <mz2> any idea when newer builds of OOo 2 will be available for Hoary?
[03:14] <hondje> _kevin: Hoary?
[03:14] <_kevin> yes
[03:15] <_kevin> 5.04
[03:15] <mz2> or OOo 1.9, whatever :)
[03:15] <hondje> _kevin: interesting...are you using it for desktop or server?
[03:15] <_kevin> desktop
[03:15] <refuze2looze> _kevin: i've had ubuntu running for days and no slow down at all
[03:15] <_kevin> and it can't be my hardware since i used it on windows and it would run smooth even after a week of my com being on
[03:16] <hondje> how much mem / swap?
[03:16] <thenuke_> I wonder how often Ubuntu is used as a server, I have my p133 running ubuntu as a server
[03:16] <refuze2looze> _kevin: you're living in bizzaro land
[03:16] <Seveas> mz2 never.
[03:16] <_kevin> like I'm runnin AMD 1.4 Ghz and 128 MB RAM... and plus ubuntu runs great when i shut down and restarts but over time is starts slowing down and crashing and things of that nature
[03:16] <Seveas> only if they find serious or security bugs
[03:16] <hondje> thenuke_: I thought about giving it a spin, but I ended up sticking with sarge
[03:16] <Fikrann> _kevin, try logging out and back in...
[03:16] <hondje> stablity makes me happy on my backups and the like
[03:17] <hondje> _kevin: instead of rebooting, try restarting X by doing ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:17] <_kevin> if i log out and log back in, will all the program i have runnin close?
[03:17] <Seveas> yes _kevin
[03:17] <hondje> _kevin: yes, though there's some 'save the setup' button
[03:17] <_kevin> ok let me save my work and try it
[03:17] <mz2> Seveas, hmm, the current build is still pre-beta even, I'm sure they'll package it at least when it's released? and if it comes to serious bugs in that crappy pre-beta, there're plenty of those available :)
[03:18] <Seveas> mz2 OOo2 on hoary is in universe
[03:18] <Seveas> they will not update it
[03:18] <_kevin> ok.. now i just press ctrl + alt + backspace
[03:18] <Seveas> newer OOo2 builds will only be available on breezy
[03:18] <_kevin> i have open office on 5.04
[03:18] <_kevin> and it works good now
[03:19] <Seveas> _kevin, that's OOo 1.X
[03:19] <bigfoot> hi all: i downloaded the ascii game called "overkill" via synaptic. How do I run it? I tried "Run Application"--> overkill, but it doesn't work.
[03:19] <refuze2looze> he's talking about ooo 2
[03:19] <_kevin> no i got the 1.9.milestone
[03:19] <[koji] > launch tomboy and gave me a message "All done" but nothing was launch?
[03:19] <Shadow_aok> hi
[03:19] <_kevin> it's also known as 2.0
[03:19] <Seveas> bigfoot, lauch a terminal and type 'overkill' in there
[03:19] <Seveas> _kevin, ah :)
[03:19] <Shadow_aok> someone can tell me how add modules to launch at boot plz ?
[03:19] <Seveas> yeah that one works pretty fine too
[03:20] <Shadow_aok> (cannot boot ubuntu on my usb drive)
[03:20] <_kevin> the installation was alot of problems but i figured it out and somehow made it work
[03:20] <Seveas> Shadow_aok, add them, each on their own line to /etc/modules
[03:20] <Shadow_aok> thx
[03:20] <el_menor> i'm a noob ...how do I install AMSN?
[03:20] <_kevin> let me log out and log back in and se eif any changes occur
[03:20] <bigfoot> Seveas, yes, i put a checkbox on "Run in Terminal" and it loaded. Funny. I'd think that Ubuntu could find out whether it should run in terminal or not. Your thoughts?
[03:20] <Seveas> el_menor, search for it in synaptic
[03:20] <Seveas> bigfoot, impossible :)
[03:20] <el_menor> synaptic???
[03:20] <refuze2looze> el_menor: apt-get amsn (if you have universe repositories enabled)
[03:21] <Seveas> el_menor, system->administration->synaptic package manager
[03:21] <el_menor> alright
[03:21] <el_menor> thnks
[03:21] <Fikrann> Shadow_aok, you probably want to add usb-ohci, usbstorage and sd_mod modules to your initrd.
[03:21] <Shadow_aok> reboot time
[03:22] <Shadow_aok> thk for help
[03:22] <Seveas> Shadow_aok, indeed, listen to Fikrann
[03:22] <Shadow_aok> Fikrann: yes
[03:22] <Seveas> if you want to boot from your usb drive, you need to do that
[03:22] <Shadow_aok> i've add ehci-hcd, usb-storage, scsi_mod & sd_mod
[03:22] <Shadow_aok> will add what you say
[03:22] <Fikrann> Or simpler, compile them in to your kernel.
[03:23] <Shadow_aok> i've tried to create an initrd file but failed
[03:23] <topyli> ahh. i think i'm going to like beagle now that i got it working
[03:24] <Shadow_aok> how can i compile them ?
[03:24] <Fikrann> Shadow_aok, then the simplest way is to compile everything you need into your kernel.
[03:25] <bigfoot> Seveas, you familiar with the game? it asks for a server address.  I don't know what to put?
[03:25] <jbailey> Fikrann: Err.  Compiling a new kernel is simpler than editting one file and running one command? =)
[03:25] <Shadow_aok> lol
[03:25] <hondje> in System -> Preferences -> Removable Mounts and Drives, multimedia tab, I have 'Video DVD Discs' set to run 'xine --auto-play --auto-scan dvd'
[03:25] <el_menor> seveas, what i should cauz i don't see it in the list and already download it   ...
[03:26] <Seveas> Shadow_aok, add these mosules to /etc/mmkinitrd/modules
[03:26] <hondje> Can I add commands with either ; or && like in bash?
[03:26] <Shadow_aok> k
[03:26] <hondje> So that I can renice it
[03:26] <Seveas> run mkinitrd, and put the generated initrd into /boot
[03:26] <Seveas> then update menu.lst
[03:26] <Shadow_aok> thx
[03:26] <refuze2looze> el_menor: read the universe wiki
[03:26] <shiv> this is the list of my repositories, what else to add to get mplayer (see #flood)
[03:27] <el_menor> universe wiki???
[03:27] <Seveas> hondje, i guess that these commands are passed to exec..(bash, '-c', so: yes :)
[03:27] <hondje> Seveas: great thinking, thanks :)
[03:28] <Seveas> hondje, but why renice?
[03:28] <refuze2looze> el_menor: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[03:28] <Seveas> simply say: nice -n something someprog arg1 arg2
[03:28] <hondje> Seveas: could I just nice?
[03:28] <hondje> oh, okay
[03:28] <Seveas> sure, why not :)
[03:28] <Seveas> read nice's manpage :)
[03:28] <hondje> what's the difference between nice and renice?
[03:29] <Seveas> nice first sets nice level and the starts
[03:29] <shiv> any help?
[03:29] <Seveas> renice adjusts the nice level of a running program
[03:29] <shiv> this is the list of my repositories, what else to add to get mplayer (see #flood)
[03:29] <hondje> Seveas: ah, okay. Thanks!
[03:29] <Seveas> shiv, pasting it in a pastebin is more useful
[03:30] <shiv> how do I do that?
[03:30] <Seveas> because not everybody is in #flood
[03:30] <Seveas> shiv: go to http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[03:32] <FST> dont use breezy? hmm...
[03:32] <Nomikos> when i try to open a file from within the terminal, like "open file.txt", the colors of the screen get really mixed up. meanwhile the file doesn't open. anyone?
[03:32] <rama> hello. cant get mp3 to play even after installing totem-xine. help
[03:33] <topyli> FST: yeah. don't use it. break it and fix it, don't use :)
[03:33] <ekpneo__> rama: try installing gstreamer-mad from universe
[03:33] <Fator_Dee> rama: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats 6th chapter
[03:33] <Seveas> Nomikos, what do you want to do with the file?
[03:33] <FST> break it and fix it ? :)
[03:33] <choclunch> i dont see minicom as a package
[03:34] <choclunch> where do i get it from :o
[03:34] <_kevin> i realized i had some problems with the automount feature, I was trying to auto mount two drives at the same time
[03:34] <_kevin> is that possible?
[03:34] <Nomikos> Seveas: have it open in the application that handles files of its type. like mp3 should be opened by the music player
[03:34] <hondje> In plan9 maybe
[03:34] <topyli> FST: yeah. in other words, test it and make it rock :)
[03:34] <_kevin> i have two different partitions i want to mount, a FAT, and a NTFS
[03:34] <hondje> mounting two partitions at same spot == cool
[03:35] <FST> oh thats what u mean
[03:35] <_kevin> for some reason doesn't work
[03:35] <chocoIate> Seveas : do you know where i can get minicom :o
[03:35] <_kevin> it has to be one or the other
[03:35] <Seveas> chocoIate, nope
[03:35] <Nomikos> but what bothers me more is that the screen colors go all funky :-) is there some way to restart that without rebooting?
[03:35] <Seveas> Nomikos, open in a terminal does not do that
[03:35] <Nomikos> Seveas: found that out :-)
[03:36] <Shadow_aok> everything seems to be ok
[03:36] <Shadow_aok> will reboot
[03:36] <Seveas> Nomikos, just close the terminal
[03:36] <Shadow_aok> thx for help :)
[03:36] <Nomikos> Seveas: it's the whole screen, not the terminal; also this was via SSH
[03:37] <Nomikos> Seveas:like, very dark colors in the desktop image become bright orange and green and yellow, it looks really disco :-)
[03:38] <_kevin> Can some one tell me how to mount two Paritions at once, one is NTFS and the Other is FAT
[03:39] <Fikrann> _kevin, use mount twice?
[03:39] <_kevin> i did that
[03:40] <kengur> i can't mount FAT partition to RW for ordinary user no matter what =(
[03:40] <_kevin> it shows the frist one and the wen i moutn the second one, the first one disappears and shows the contents of the second one
[03:40] <Seveas> _kevin, you cannot do that in one command
[03:40] <bob2> kengur: sure you can
[03:40] <el_menor> where i found the console?
[03:40] <bob2> kengur: umask=002 in the options field
[03:40] <_kevin> yes
[03:40] <_kevin> el_menor right click and goto terminal
[03:40] <bob2> _kevin: you can't mount them both in the same place
[03:40] <_kevin> ohh
[03:41] <Fikrann> _kevin, if you mount them both to the same dir, one will mask the other.
[03:41] <_kevin> yes
[03:41] <_kevin> that's what was happening
[03:41] <_kevin> how would i mount in different places if there a tutorial
[03:41] <_kevin> maybe someone can add it to ubuntuguide.org
[03:41] <bob2> sudo mkdir /mnt/c ; sudo mkdir /mnt/d
[03:41] <bob2> then mount one on /mnt/c and one on /mnt/d
[03:41] <rama> ekpeneo_/is gsteamer-mad in multiverse ?
[03:42] <_kevin> ohh alright
[03:42] <bob2> rama: no, it's in universe
[03:42] <_kevin> i get it
[03:42] <bob2> rama: you want gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:42] <cspan> when i mount the cdrom everything slows down terribly... i read somewhere i should enable dma for my cdrom drive, but i don't know how to do that
[03:43] <Shadow_aok> doesn't work :(
[03:43] <Sauron21> I was just wondering if anyone know what happend to Ubuntu at Distrowatch ???
[03:43] <dmouritsendk> cspan: I have the exact same problem, and dma is enabled here.
[03:43] <cspan> ok, then probably it is here too
[03:43] <Sauron21> it just disappeared....
[03:43] <Shadow_aok> got the error : pivot_root : no suh file or directory
[03:43] <dmouritsendk> cspan: try and doa hdparm -i /dev/cdrom
[03:43] <cspan> dmouritsendk, as root?
[03:43] <Fikrann> cspan, hdparm -xudma5 -d1 /dev/cdrom
[03:43] <ubuntu> hello ppl..
[03:43] <ubuntu> :)
[03:43] <Shadow_aok> and now grub doesn't work anymore, exit at boot with error 21
[03:44] <Shadow_aok> lo
[03:44] <Nomikos> waah, my OS is talking to me
[03:44] <Fikrann> heh
[03:44] <bob2> Shadow_aok: don't use breezy
[03:44] <bob2> Shadow_aok: there is a reason we told you not to use it
[03:44] <ubuntu> im new in linux ubuntu i have tried the live cd.. where can i see if my printer is installed?
[03:44] <bob2> and this is it
[03:44] <Shadow_aok> ?
[03:44] <Shadow_aok> breezy ???
[03:44] <bob2> Shadow_aok: you're using the broken development branch of ubuntu
[03:44] <kengur> bob2, doesn't help much =(
[03:44] <bob2> Shadow_aok: paste /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[03:44] <rama> bob2: thnx. is this documented somewhere. maybe if its a wiki I'll attend to it
[03:44] <Shadow_aok> k
[03:44] <dmouritsendk> cspan: i think u need to use sudo, if you wanna change the settings but -i just prints your current settings
[03:44] <bob2> rama: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:44] <Weems> I burned the Ubuntu cd in k3b and I couldnt boot from it
[03:45] <E0x> bob2: remember the ipod problem ? well when i use app like easytag or gtkpod on it make it unwritable and i dont why , before that i can write without problem on it
[03:45] <Shadow_aok> i use kubuntu 5.0.4, why this dev is broken ?
[03:45] <bob2> kengur: if you don't understand something, explain which bit you don't understand
[03:45] <E0x> and send a mail to the user-list
[03:45] <ubuntu> im new in linux ubuntu i have tried the live cd.. where can i see if my printer is installed?
[03:45] <bob2> Shadow_aok: paste that file to #flood
[03:45] <Shadow_aok> ok
[03:45] <cspan> dmouritsendk, -i says the active dma mode is mdma2
[03:45] <el_menor> plz    help  me..i download amsn  but i don,t  have any idea of how to install it!!
[03:46] <bob2> el_menor: no need to download it, it's in ubuntu
[03:46] <kengur> bob2, i've tried all kinds of settings in /etc/fstab but it doesn't allow me to write as ordinary user
[03:46] <bob2> el_menor: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[03:46] <bob2> kengur: umask=002 is the setting you need
[03:46] <Shadow_aok> bob2> done
[03:46] <bob2> kengur: unless it's a unix filesystem like ext3 or reiser
[03:46] <Seveas> el_menor, you do not have to download it yourself
[03:46] <kengur> it's vfat
[03:46] <bob2> kengur: then umask=002 is what you need
[03:47] <bob2> kengur: show us the line from your fstab
[03:47] <_kevin> bob2 what u told me worked like a charm
[03:47] <bob2> _kevin: excellent!
[03:47] <kengur> /dev/hda1 	/windows 	vfat 	umask=002	0	0
[03:47] <norm_> it seems i can't adjust the motion of my touchpad via System -> Preferences -> Mouse - are there any alternatives i haven't found?
[03:47] <_kevin> mabe you should add more details about it on the ubuntuguide.org
[03:47] <bob2> kengur: did you remount it after you changed that file?
[03:47] <hondje> is there a wiki form of that ubuntu guide?
[03:47] <bob2> Shadow_aok: that's all you have in there?
[03:47] <hondje> I liked it, but thought more could be added
[03:47] <Shadow_aok> yes
[03:47] <kengur> just did mount -a
[03:48] <Seveas> kengur, mount -o remount /dev/hda1
[03:48] <bob2> hondje: the doc team were going to import it to subversion, but they seem to be doing some sort of doc portal instead
[03:48] <hondje> ah
[03:48] <hondje> I saw lots of little things I could have added, or grammer to fix, etc
[03:48] <dmouritsendk> cspan: yea, and mine tells me that im using udma. but hdparm -d tells me dma isn't enabled
[03:48] <kengur> it still doesn't allow me to del files or anything
[03:48] <Shadow_aok> bob2> sources.list.apt-setup is bigger but in sources.list i've only these lines
[03:48] <bob2> hondje: it would be good to be able to change it
[03:49] <bob2> kengur: sudo umount /windows ; sudo mount /windows
[03:49] <bob2> Shadow_aok: that is very very odd then
[03:49] <bob2> Shadow_aok: is this the livecd?
[03:49] <hondje> bob2: Yeah, especially with a community this large, though making sure it doesn't become TOO detailed would be hard
[03:49] <dmouritsendk> cspan: i tried enabling it by hand, and i've modified hdparm.conf
[03:49] <kisain> has anyone here used software raid?
[03:49] <kengur> sudo umount -l /windows
[03:49] <hondje> why does hdparm.conf have no good defaults? Too hard for the installer?
[03:50] <Shadow_aok> bob2> i run with the live cd but the file comes from my kubuntu install on my usb drive
[03:50] <kengur> does the force option effect this thing?
[03:50] <Fikrann> kisain, yes.
[03:50] <bob2> kengur: no, don't use -l
[03:50] <Seveas> kengur, i think you need to add rw to the options too
[03:50] <ekpneo__> openssh-server is giving an error with 'dpkg-split' .. any ideas?
[03:50] <cspan> dmouritsendk, -d says i do have it enabled
[03:50] <dmouritsendk> cspan: nothing seems to do the trick , I know nothing is wrong with the drive or controller. I have a gentoo install on this machine too, where the hdparm command works fine (hence hdparm -d1 actually enables dma :p)
[03:50] <bob2> ekpneo__: on hoary?
[03:51] <dmouritsendk> cspan: i think it pretty messed up, doesn't seem to work right
[03:51] <ekpneo__> bob2: yeah
[03:51] <bob2> ekpneo__: not breezy?
[03:51] <cspan> don't worry dmouritsendk, i will just not use the cd
[03:51] <ekpneo__> nope
[03:51] <bob2> Shadow_aok: hm, I don't know then, sorry.  try #kubuntu?
[03:51] <cspan> i have dsl so it's not a big deal
[03:51] <Shadow_aok> ok np :)
[03:51] <Shadow_aok> thx
[03:51] <kengur> bob2, the dev is busy, so i can't umount
[03:52] <kengur> none of the above works =(
[03:52] <bob2> kengur: then you need to fix that
[03:52] <Seveas> kengur, close all terminals/nautilus windows that have that folder open
[03:52] <bob2> kengur: close whatever is accessing it
[03:52] <kengur> brb
[03:53] <naderman> lol Seveas: thanks for your help, I recompiled again to post everything I did to the ml, and now it suddenly works, I did everything exactly as I did it the last time, but now it works :)
[03:53] <Seveas> lol naderman :)
[03:53] <el_menor> bob2 the name of the file to  install amsn is kopete or sometinhg laike that
[03:53] <Seveas> good to see that it works though
[03:53] <bob2> el_menor: no, it' amsn
[03:53] <NicP> man anyone else think the openoffice dictionary sucks
[03:53] <cspan> i have another problem: i just built a kernel, using http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html for instructions, and when i try to boot from it it doesn't. i take a look in /boot/ and there is no initrd.img for the current kernel. any ideas?
[03:54] <naderman> Seveas: yeah, I was quite surprised when dmesg suddenly said, ndiswrapper: driver bcmwl5 loaded
[03:54] <naderman> :)
[03:54] <NicP> i thought the word dictionary was bad
[03:54] <NicP> but its fucking heaven to the shit in OO
[03:54] <Hackmo|sleep> hey all
[03:54] <jbailey> cspan: What ddn't the Ubuntu kernel have that you needed?
[03:54] <wp> excuse me
[03:54] <cspan> jbailey, realtime
[03:55] <Hackmo> Anyone here use a webcam?
[03:55] <cspan> trsut me, i'd rather NOT build any kernels
[03:56] <jbailey> cspan: Right.  Just that alot of discussion in here realtes to building kernels and initrd stuff.  I hack on the initrd-tools, and am always looking for ways to keep people from having to touch this stuff on their own. =)
[03:56] <hondje> I have a minidvcam I used for a webcam, once
[03:56] <hondje> works better on the mac though
[03:56] <Hackmo> ok, well anyone use a USB cam?
[03:57] <hondje> Oh, I used a USB cam too, once...a philips
[03:57] <hondje> I had the image put on my website, was kinda neat
[03:57] <el_menor> bob2  theres n0o package  with that name
[03:58] <Hackmo> hondje: what did you need to do to get it working?
[03:58] <Seveas> el_menor, you need to enable universe
[03:58] <el_menor> how do i do it?
[03:58] <cspan> jbailey, i would be really happy if i had realtime support out of the box, or even a realtime binary package of the kernel
[03:58] <cspan> but i havent been able to find it
[03:58] <simon_> hello, i can't get any sound in amaroK, can anyone help me with the output?
[03:58] <hondje> IIRC, I had to patch the kernel to get USB working (2.2 kernel), then I'd just mount the camera, /dev/sda1 at /media/camera
[03:59] <hondje> then I wrote a perl script to fetch the pics of the memory
[03:59] <el_menor> somebody tellme how d i enable universe
[03:59] <dmouritsendk> cspan: do you need realtime for jack?
[03:59] <bob2> el_menor: yes, there is
[03:59] <cspan> and since i want linux for trying audio apps
[03:59] <cspan> yeah,  for jack
[03:59] <bob2> el_menor: read that page again and enable universe
[03:59] <mindmedic> simon_, are you using gnome?
[03:59] <bob2> el_menor: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[03:59] <simon_> mindmedic, think so
[03:59] <simon_> :)
[03:59] <el_menor> howno i enable it?
[03:59] <darkaudit> el_menor: there are lines in the stock sources.list for universe... they're just commented out... uncomment them :)
[03:59] <dmouritsendk> cspan: u should try http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/
[03:59] <hondje> Hackmo: This was a long time ago, I don't know much about them now, though people seem to ahve luck with philips and logitec
[03:59] <el_menor> i read the hole page i dont found it
[03:59] <cspan> dmouritsendk, i'm on ppc
[03:59] <mindmedic> simon_, gnome uses esd sound daemon by default
[04:00] <dmouritsendk> cspan: :/
[04:00] <mindmedic> killall esd will shut it down
[04:00] <mindmedic> then kdes artsd can start
[04:00] <cspan> yeah, i know, you want realtime on ppc linux? bad luck
[04:01] <hondje> we used that camera for security :)
[04:01] <zachary> has anyone installed the 469 updates?
[04:01] <darkaudit> I replaced my onboard sound with an Audigy 2 when I did the final install on this box... all my sound JustWorked :)
[04:01] <thr1ce> zachary, to hoary?
[04:01] <Hackmo> hondje: ok, it's a phillips I have but thanks anyway
[04:01] <mindmedic> a sound daemon collects sound from multiple sound sources (musik player, system sounds) mixes them and sends them to the soundcard
[04:01] <zachary> yes
[04:01] <simon_> mindmedic, ok, should i type it in a term or what? (i'm a rookie ok)
[04:01] <simon_> okok
[04:01] <hondje> Hackmo: Plug the camera in, and then in a terminal tail -20 /var/log/messages
[04:01] <hondje> See if it's detected
[04:01] <dmouritsendk> cspan: have you tried gentoo? I've used gentoo for along time, just playing around with ubuntu atm to check it not (not especially impressed). Its a tad cumbersome, everything takes a war to install/compile. But it works
[04:02] <mindmedic> try alt+f2
[04:02] <mindmedic> and type killall esd
[04:02] <kengur> bob2, i rebooted, nothing helps
[04:02] <mindmedic> then start artsd
[04:02] <simon_> mindmedic,  my F-buttons don't work :)
[04:02] <hondje> dmouritsendk: Ubuntu is a bit of the anti-gentoo
[04:02] <kengur> bob2, might it be something with file permissions??
[04:02] <bob2> kengur: you don't need to reboot
[04:02] <bob2> kengur: no
[04:02] <thr1ce> dmouritsendk, what are you compiling?
[04:02] <mindmedic> use a console then
[04:02] <wp> how to distinguish Hoary or WARTY?:(
[04:02] <bob2> kengur: show us the output of "mount | grep window"
[04:02] <cspan> well, dmouritsendk, i don't want to spend that much time fighting with my computer
[04:02] <cspan> i'm a mac user, i want my computer to HELP, not to be in the way
[04:03] <kengur> /dev/hda1 on /windows type vfat (rw,umask=002)
[04:03] <Hackmo> hondje: yeah it is detected
[04:03] <Seveas> kengur, i never use the umask, but seperate fmask & dmask for fat disks
[04:04] <hondje> Hackmo: try mounting it, maybe it's like mine was and usbstorage module works for it :)
[04:04] <Seveas>  /dev/hda7       /data           vfat    rw,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0133,dmask=0022 0 0
[04:04] <dmouritsendk> cspan: well, thats what distros like ubuntu, fedora, etc etc promises. They just never seem to deliver
[04:04] <Seveas> kengur, that line mounts the drive so that it will be writeable for user 'dennis'
[04:04] <cspan> yeah
[04:04] <cspan> that's true
[04:04] <Seveas> kengur, adapt it to your needs :)
[04:04] <bob2> kengur: now, 'touch /windows/foo', what happens?
[04:05] <hondje> dmouritsendk: If ubuntu didn't do it for you, give the latest suse/novell a spin
[04:05] <thr1ce> hm...do you need rw in options if you've got it as vfat ?
[04:05] <hondje> I tested it out on my bosses new laptop, and it was awesome...detected new hardware, wifi, etc...
[04:05] <kengur> bob2, permission denied
[04:05] <occy> heh anyone here know about small engines?  Trying to get my lawnmower to crank. :)
[04:05] <cspan> that's the funniest part, if you're on ppc you have ubuntu, debian, or the 300 cd's of yellowdog/fedora
[04:05] <NicP> strangely OO thinks internet should be Internet, but it lets through the following spelling errors: immidiate regareded arent stratergies unserstand compeditors couverage quantative qualatative
[04:05] <bob2> kengur: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[04:06] <NicP> i dunno if this is american english but it certainly isnt acceptable for us
[04:06] <NicP> and i cant change the bloody thing
[04:06] <occy> cleaned the airfilter... if I prime it it'll start first time every time, but then it dies out after 2 seconds or so.
[04:06] <Seveas> bob2, 002 as umask masks 'w' for 'other' so that'll never work..
[04:06] <kengur> 2.6.10-5-386
[04:06] <bob2> Seveas: did I mean 022 then? I was sure 002 was right.
[04:06] <hondje> why would internet be capitalized
[04:06] <occy> it has oil and gas. :)
[04:06] <dmouritsendk> hondje: I'll do that sometime, but  for now my gentoo install seem to do everything i need of it (the ting is i dont have especially high demands for my system, it should just be able to run gcc, java, monoc and python. Bittorrent and then burn the occational cd)
[04:06] <occy> hehe
[04:06] <Fator_Dee> occy: install linux on it
[04:06] <Hackmo> hondje: I tried mounting it but it says that it cannot find /dev/video0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[04:06] <hondje> It's just a noun, not a proper noun?
[04:07] <Seveas> bob2, i think you mean 000 :)
[04:07] <occy> Fator_Dee, doh.  I forogot that step.
[04:07] <bob2> Seveas: hm, oops
[04:07] <Seveas> kengur, take my line
[04:07] <hondje> dmouritsendk: I've used linux a long time, I think....I even tried gentoo once
[04:07] <Seveas>  /dev/hda7       /data           vfat    rw,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0133,dmask=0022 0 0
[04:07] <bob2> kengur: ok, change it to umask=000
[04:07] <bob2> kengur: then sudo umount /windows ; sudo mount /windows
[04:07] <hondje> I like debian and ubuntu because I'm lazy....I don't work IT, I just want a desktop to get my work / fun done with
[04:07] <hondje> gentoo seems to me like a ricer distro, for people who like to tweak settings and dink with car engines
[04:07] <simon_> mindmedic,  thank you very very much :)
[04:08] <Seveas> gentoo is for people who like watching gcc output :)
[04:08] <hondje> gcc spam :)
[04:08] <hondje> Though, gentoo hardened kicks serious and major ass
[04:08] <dmouritsendk> hondje: I've used linux since 99 (redhat 7.1 i think) , and been 100% linux since 2001
[04:08] <occy> hondje, oooh, maybe I should ask them about my lawnmower.
[04:08] <occy> heh
[04:08] <hondje> I went 100% in 2000, but that's also when I really started using it
[04:08] <hondje> Windows wouldnt' install :)
[04:09] <Seveas> occy, keep an eye on buntu too
[04:09] <kengur> nothing works here
[04:09] <Seveas> :)
[04:09] <APaul> hi all.
[04:09] <dmouritsendk> hondje: i dont know about that, i'm not a ricer. I like to have a "lean" kernel, and the use is neat. but its really not why i use it
[04:09] <kengur> this is nuts, it alwas worked
[04:09] <Seveas> kengur, after mounting, type: ls -al /windows and paste that to ubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:09] <hondje> dmouritsendk: I could never get a lean kernel, though appologes for the ricer comment
[04:09] <cspan> uhhhmmmm synaptic has been stuck for about five minutes installing kaffeine... what should i do?
[04:10] <cspan> kill it?
[04:10] <cspan> wait?
[04:10] <hondje> dmouritsendk: I don't mean to imply you're a ricer, just that gentoo is suited for those who are
[04:10] <Seveas> cspan, wait
[04:10] <dmouritsendk> hondje: I got you, and you are right most are.
[04:10] <cspan> sorry, Seveas, its not installing it is 'installED'
[04:10] <hondje> dmouritsendk: Gentoo would be awesome for hardened, I think, or production servers if I ran my own patches and the like
[04:10] <Seveas> ow
[04:10] <cspan> but the progressbar doesnt move
[04:10] <Seveas> cspan, and it doesn't say "complete" oslt
[04:11] <kengur> Seveas, it's almost always drwxrwxr-x
[04:11] <thr1ce> gentoo would be nice if I had a week of my life to absolutely waste
[04:11] <hondje> I have a friend whose a genuine security guru, and he only runs gentoo....but for perpetual-newbies like me, ubuntu is good because it's polished, lets me see video clips and stuff, and I can get on with my work
[04:11] <Seveas> kengur, yeah, have you changed to umask=000 or used my line?
[04:11] <kengur> i tried both, it's umask=000 which is now
[04:11] <Seveas> ok, now *save* the file
[04:12] <cspan> also, the disclosure triangle for the terminal output doesn't work
[04:12] <Seveas> and then: sudo umount /windows
[04:12] <cspan> doesn't respond
[04:12] <Seveas> sudo mount /windows
[04:12] <dmouritsendk> hondje: it also gets a bit annoying (the amount of work you have to invest in everything, when running gentoo)
[04:12] <hondje> yeah, for a desktop that would drive me nuts
[04:12] <dmouritsendk> hondje: it took me forever to get hotplugging to work..
[04:12] <hondje> Do you still have to make your own config files?
[04:13] <dmouritsendk> hondje: I had to when i did it, haven't look back eversince though. So it might have changed now
[04:13] <hondje> yeah
[04:13] <hondje> Like my debian installs, I forget what default is
[04:13] <hondje> apt-get just keeps you current, no point in reinstalling :)
[04:13] <hondje> dmouritsendk: what do you think about slack?
[04:14] <dmouritsendk> hondje: i haven't tried it, is it good?
[04:14] <_kevin> is it possible to install wine or a windows software emulator
[04:14] <kengur> Seveas, no luck
[04:14] <Seveas> kengur, it should be
[04:14] <hondje> dmouritsendk: I thought it was a good distro, first one I tried in 90-something (I didnt' know what it was then )
[04:14] <Seveas> are you sure you *saved* the file?
[04:14] <hondje> it has the advantage of letting you cmpile X yourself, if you really care about that 1%
[04:14] <Seveas> try cat /etc/fstab in a terminal
[04:14] <kengur> Seveas, i can write only with sudo
[04:14] <rama> anyone know of a good database driven website in ubuntu repositories? php/mysql will be ideal
[04:15] <hondje> But once package management grew up, around RH 8.something, I can't go back to downloading and compiling everything by hand :)
[04:15] <bob2> rama: you mean a CMS? drupal is ok for something written in php.
[04:15] <Seveas> kengur, if you don't save your fstab, it will never work *sigh*
[04:15] <bob2> just don't use postnuke
[04:15] <bob2> er, phpnuke
[04:16] <hondje> dmouritsendk: The problem I have with slack, besides taking work, is that I'm unfamiliar with bsd-style init, and I am too lazy to learn :)
[04:16] <dmouritsendk> hondje: understandable, i dont really think the performance "gain" is worth it. I'm hardpressed to see any difference between my stage1 compiled march=pentium4  gentoo system and ubuntu
[04:16] <kengur> Seveas, if anything i'm not stupid
[04:16] <hondje> Same reason I don't install windows on a partition for games....too much work
[04:16] <nevyn> dmouritsendk: did you also add -O3 ?
[04:16] <dmouritsendk> nevyn: -O2
[04:16] <hondje> I want my computer to be stable, how do those optimizations affect that?
[04:17] <winmute> hi @ all can someone help me with unreal tournament?
[04:17] <dmouritsendk> nevyn: and pipe :p
[04:17] <hondje> are they 'safe' gcc switches?
[04:18] <anto9us> rama: I find postgresql + zope works very well
[04:18] <dmouritsendk> hondje: most are , you could get too agressive by enabling to much. But stuff like march and -O is pretty safe
[04:18] <darkaudit> winmute: ask... if someone can help they'll chime in
[04:18] <transgress> okay i'm trying to make a backup copy of one of my dvds... i've gotten it ripped to the VIDEO_TS directory where it has the .vob's and .ifo's but i'm not sure what to do next?
[04:18] <Seveas> dmouritsendk, -O9 :)
[04:18] <transgress> wait
[04:18] <transgress> i got it
[04:18] <kengur> Seveas, bob2, might this be a problem that added this partition during Ubuntu install?
[04:19] <dmouritsendk> hondje: the problem is, it takes time to maintain such a system
[04:19] <Seveas> kengur, no, if it still gives the same error you did not write it correctly to your /etc/fstab
[04:19] <Seveas> umask=002 will give drwxrwxr-x
[04:19] <winmute> my unreal tournament crashes on ubuntu hoary arround every 10 minutes....
[04:19] <Seveas> that's why umask=000 is better
[04:19] <hondje> dmouritsendk: yeah, even a simple hardened one
[04:19] <winmute> but in this time it woks great
[04:19] <hondje> which I might install for the server that runs debian now....
[04:19] <dmouritsendk> hondje: time i would rather spend coding (i'm not really that interested in how the OS works)
[04:19] <kengur> /dev/hda1 on /windows type vfat (rw,umask=000)
[04:20] <mas> hello everybody
[04:20] <kengur> this is what i get
[04:20] <Seveas> ok, THAT should work
[04:20] <mas> anyone from egypt
[04:20] <Seveas> now ls -al should give drwxrwxrwx or -rwxrwxrwx on all files in the mountpoint
[04:21] <hondje> dmouritsendk: See, that's out of my league :)
[04:21] <kengur> it still gives drwxrwxr-x
[04:21] <hondje> I was an admin for simple stuff before I got the job I have now, that's about all I know abou computers
[04:21] <hondje> When windows freezes, reboot. Rinse and repeat :)
[04:22] <hondje> Now I just take data and put gnuplot to use, easy job ;-)
[04:22] <kengur> are there any other options to achieve the same effect?
[04:22] <Seveas> kengur, hmm, sounds like the umask stuff didn't work then. As i said i never used umask. I can only tell that the line i gave you works, i know that from my own experience
[04:22] <Seveas>  /dev/hda7       /data           vfat    rw,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0133,dmask=0022 0 0
[04:22] <Seveas> change hda7 to your partition
[04:22] <rama> anto9us: drupal installed seamlessly :) pretty cool. I'll have a go at Zope too... it looks like the dependencies are a mile long
[04:22] <Seveas> and dennis to your username
[04:22] <Seveas> and /data to /windows
[04:23] <kengur> Seveas, your line didn't work, i used umask=000 b4 and it worked fine, now it doesn't
[04:23] <hondje> I like matlab, all code should be in matlab :)
[04:23] <rama> anto9us: should I install postgresql stuff seperately for Zope?
[04:23] <Seveas> kengur, then at least add uid=someone,gid=someone
[04:23] <Seveas> and replace someone by your uid
[04:24] <anto9us> rama: yes, you need python 2.3 and psycopg to match
[04:24] <Seveas> because that'll make you owner of the files
[04:24] <Seveas> and rwxrwxr-x means that the owner *can* write
[04:24] <kengur> /dev/hda1 on /windows type vfat (rw,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[04:24] <kengur> still drwxrwxr-x
[04:24] <Seveas> btw: always use four-digit values for umask, like 0000
[04:25] <anto9us> rama: everything you need is in the repositories
[04:25] <Seveas> kengur, but YOU can now write to it
[04:25] <goldfish_> hmmmmm
[04:25] <hondje> dmouritsendk: What do YOU think ubuntu should do to make it more desktop-friend?
[04:25] <Seveas> because YOU are now the owner
[04:25] <kengur> searcher`, i can't
[04:25] <Burgundavia> hondje, file bugs
[04:25] <kengur> searcher`, owner is root
[04:25] <kengur> shit, i'm stupid
[04:25] <hondje> Burgundavia: I did a couple, no one noticed them
[04:26] <Burgundavia> hondje, where?
[04:26] <hondje> bugzilla.ubuntu I think
[04:26] <hondje> Orange site, made me registered
[04:26] <Seveas> kengur, wtf?? it SAYS it is mounted with YOU as uid/gid, are you sure you are not in the wrong folder when you try to delete???
[04:26] <Burgundavia> hondje, can you point me too them?
[04:26] <hondje> I filed a nautilus bug, where it refuses to see the smb shares
[04:26] <Burgundavia> hondje, there is an art to filing bugs, a subtle art
[04:26] <kengur> Seveas, i have to add myself to root group, no?
[04:26] <hondje> Burgundavia: One I lack :)
[04:26] <Burgundavia> hondje, I am only learning it myself
[04:26] <Seveas> kengur, no
[04:27] <Seveas> type `pwd` in the folder where you want to delete things
[04:27] <Burgundavia> hondje, practice makes perfect
[04:27] <hondje> I'm used to our bug system at work
[04:27] <hondje> You find the guy and yell at him
[04:27] <ekpneo__> hondje: lol
[04:28] <Burgundavia> hondje, if you want to discuss something that maybe isn't a bug, bring it and a possible solution to ubuntu-devel
[04:28] <hondje> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9192
[04:28] <hondje> here's the one that drives me NUTS
[04:28] <kengur> drwxrwxr-x   2 root root exactly, i'm not in the root group so it doesn't allow me to do anything, right?
[04:28] <sylvan> My mouse stopped working (?)...  How can I revert it to the settings that it had when ubuntu was first installed?
[04:28] <hondje> Burgundavia: Are you a dev?
[04:28] <Seveas> kengur, are you in the correct folder in that terminal?
[04:28] <Burgundavia> hondje, nope
[04:28] <sylvan> (it kinda looks like it processes all the mouse-deltas but then re-centers it after a while)...
[04:28] <kengur> yes
[04:28] <Burgundavia> hondje, documentor, hot air producer, etc.
[04:28] <sylvan> (so the mouse pointer flickers back and forth when I move it, always recentering itself)
[04:28] <Seveas> kengur, can't be if the fs is mounted with uid=you
[04:28] <hondje> Burgundavia: gotcha, active supporter :) Are the devs more relaxed than Debians?
[04:28] <cspan> synaptic has been stuck in 'installed kaffeine' for half an hour, what should i do, wait or kill it?
[04:29] <Burgundavia> hondje, much
[04:29] <JOAN> hello
[04:29] <hondje> good to hear, I like that
[04:29] <hondje> My best idea is for the add/remove programs thing
[04:29] <Burgundavia> hondje, I see it as unconfirmed
[04:29] <hondje> Well, no one else could reproduce it, though it still does it now w/ a whole new install
[04:29] <Burgundavia> hondje, I am working with the synaptic guys (also the add/remove program and update guy) for new interfaces for those apps
[04:29] <hondje> there should be more apps in add/remove, best-of-breed stuff
[04:29] <ekpneo> hondje: I had no problems accessing my laptop windows shared drives from ubuntu.. fresh install too
[04:30] <hondje> Newbies from windows dont' get package managers, they have to be forced not to download from sites
[04:30] <Burgundavia> hondje, basically, it will have everything
[04:30] <hondje> ekpneo: I only have problems with nautilus, xffm and konq worked fine
[04:30] <Fator_Dee> hondje: wouldn't that be a gnome problem?
[04:30] <Burgundavia> hondje, there are some infastructure pieces that need to fall into place first
[04:30] <ekpneo> hrmm.. I did it from nautilus ...
[04:30] <hondje> Burgundavia: But without all the confusing libs links?
[04:30] <hondje> ekpneo: no one else but me has that problem
[04:30] <Burgundavia> Fator_Dee, bugzilla.gnome is horibble horibble place for new bug files
[04:30] <Burgundavia> hondje, yes
[04:30] <ekpneo> interesting
[04:30] <hondje> But it works in everything BUT nautilus
[04:31] <hondje> and it works in other gnome (non-ubuntu) installs, too
[04:31] <DJSelbeck> how can i get the "send via bluetooth" menu in Nautilus?
[04:31] <sylvan> Ah..  haha.. I had my wacom "mouse" thing on the wacom board which recentered it... Windows somehow manages to detect that the wacom mouse isn't moving so it doesn't process it... Moving from the wacom board to the desk fixed it =)
[04:31] <kengur> Seveas, i added umask=0000 and it works now
[04:32] <Burgundavia> hondje, you should mention on your bug that its in those other places/distros
[04:32] <kengur> thanks for the clues
[04:32] <Burgundavia> hondje, that narrows it down
[04:32] <hondje> Burgundavia: I learned that recently, when I had a suse laptop here from work
[04:32] <Burgundavia> hondje, and means that they won;t think that is user error
[04:32] <Burgundavia> hondje, ie, misconfigured samba (which is common)
[04:32] <Bramme> is there any good direct connect client for ubuntu ? dcgui-qt/valknut works, but i can't search
[04:32] <Burgundavia> hondje, to be honest, that was the first thing that I thought when I saw the bug
[04:32] <hondje> well, that's why I stripped samba down to the bare essentials, and then posted it for them
[04:33] <kengur> but i always used umask=000 b4 and it worked just fine
[04:33] <hondje> this is why I need bug-posting hints from the BurgerMann
[04:33] <hondje> er, Burgundavia
[04:33] <Burgundavia> hondje, ironically, my last name is Burger
[04:33] <hondje> hehe, go figure :)
[04:33] <Burgundavia> hondje, and I have been called BurgerMan in the past
[04:33] <hondje> My last name ment 'whore' in 15th century french
[04:34] <Seveas> Burgundavia aka BurgerKing :)
[04:34] <Burgundavia> Seveas, we need a scoreboard
[04:34] <Burgundavia> Seveas, scratch that, I think your winning
[04:34] <Seveas> i'm the 100.000th to say that?
[04:34] <gfxstyler> hey
[04:35] <Seveas> hi
[04:35] <gfxstyler> can someone tell my why i can only access the webcam if i start gnomemeeting as root?
[04:35] <Burgundavia> gfxstyler, that would be a bug
[04:35] <hondje> can gaim work with webcams?
[04:35] <Seveas> gfxstyler, i think because only root or someone in the correct group can access the camera
[04:35] <hondje> my brother was asking me that, I'm trying to break him free
[04:35] <Burgundavia> hondje, gaim-vv, not packaged
[04:36] <hondje> oh, but it can be done :)
[04:36] <hondje> does gaim-vv work in windows?
[04:36] <Seveas> gfxstyler, what is the devicenode (ie /dev/something) of you cam?
[04:36] <Fator_Dee> Bramme: do you have a firewall?
[04:36] <Bramme> yes i have
[04:36] <rommer> what are the usual programs to have on a server?
[04:36] <gfxstyler> Seveas: can you tell me how to add a user to a certain group?
[04:36] <Bramme> (behind a router)
[04:36] <Burgundavia> hondje, no idea, I hate the app
[04:36] <Bramme> Fator_Dee, but i forwarded the asked port
[04:36] <Fator_Dee> Bramme: I'd guess you can't search because your router/firewall is misconfigured
[04:36] <Seveas> gfxstyler, read this: man addgroup
[04:36] <hondje> I don't have much use for that sorta thing, but my brother is addicted to webcam chatting
[04:36] <gfxstyler> Seveas: /dev/video0 i guess
[04:36] <_kevin> Can sum 1 tell me how to install Wine on ubuntu
[04:37] <_kevin> if there isa  tutorial
[04:37] <Seveas> gfxstyler, and can you paste the output of ls -al /dev/video* on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[04:37] <gfxstyler> Seveas: np
[04:37] <Seveas> _kevin, sudo apt-get install wine winecfg
[04:37] <hondje> whoa, there's a /dev/video?
[04:37] <_kevin> thanks bud
[04:38] <_kevin> i swear once i learn linux, and these hting I'll idle her and help out others that i can
[04:38] <Seveas> :)
[04:38] <hondje> _kevin: You'll be a genius before you know it
[04:38] <hondje> it sneaks up on you...one day it makes sense, and you forget what you did in windows
[04:38] <Seveas> indeed
[04:38] <_kevin> lol nice
[04:38] <bob2> hanging out here and on the list are great ways to learn
[04:39] <Fator_Dee> and just being here and reading others problems/advices helps a lot
[04:39] <_kevin> i really wanna forget windows
[04:39] <Bramme> Fator_Dee, set Valknut to 'Passive mode' still can't search
[04:39] <hondje> _kevin: Easy to do :)
[04:39] <Fator_Dee> Bramme: valknut works with me so... I'd check the configs again
[04:39] <_kevin> sudo apt-get install wine winecfg
[04:39] <hondje> Especially now, when I first threw it away I didn't have a choice, if I did I dunno if I'd have stuck with it
[04:39] <_kevin> i think there is a different name for it
[04:40] <hondje> three weeks trying to get usb working in mdk 7.2 :(
[04:40] <Seveas> _kevin, do you have universe enabled?
[04:40] <rommer> what are the usual programs to have on a server?
[04:40] <_kevin> ohh, my bad
[04:40] <hondje> rommer: what kinda server?
[04:40] <_kevin> i on;ly have multiverse
[04:40] <_kevin> i'll add universe
[04:40] <hondje> my home network server runs sshd and samba, and sometimes bind9
[04:41] <bigfoot> I'd like to listen to a real audio file with a URL in the format of pnm://ra.awebsite.net/music.ra. Which player in the Sound and Video Category can play it? i have Xine, Totem, Mplayer, etc
[04:41] <rommer> linux server, atm i have ssh, ftp, web, mysql dbs, samba. im just wondering if there is anything else that could be useful
[04:41] <Seveas> rommer, webserver: apache mailserver: postfix/exim/courier ftpserver: proftpd/pureftpd/vsftpd
[04:41] <jrhodes> hmmmm.
[04:41] <Bramme> bigfoot, realplayer?
[04:41] <bob2> rommer: a caching dns server can be handy
[04:41] <jrhodes> rommer: perhaps nfs as well
[04:41] <hondje> bigfoot: I use totem, then xine
[04:41] <bigfoot> Bramme, yes
[04:41] <hondje> rommer: I'll second that caching dns
[04:42] <hondje> Oh, my network server runs shit like squid too
[04:42] <rommer> bob2 + hondje: what app does that?
[04:42] <jrhodes> bind
[04:42] <Seveas> rommer, bind9
[04:42] <hondje> bind
[04:42] <rommer> ok
[04:42] <hondje> I think djb's dns server can do it too, probably easier to set up
[04:42] <gfxstyler> ok got the cam to work
[04:42] <rommer> lol
[04:42] <Seveas> my providers dns is sucky
[04:42] <gfxstyler> a simple chown kevin /dev/v4l/video0  helped
[04:43] <hondje> Seveas: comcast? :)
[04:43] <Seveas> gfxstyler, until the next reboot that help
[04:43] <jrhodes> anyone know if there's a specific issue with snd_intel8x0 support in ubuntu or if I somehow broke it myself?
[04:43] <Seveas> helps*
[04:43] <hondje> jrhodes: works great for me
[04:43] <bigfoot> hondje, the totem i have is called "totem movie player". Is that the same as the totem you mentioned?
[04:43] <Seveas> gfxstyler, you'd better make sure you are in the video group
[04:43] <hondje> bigfoot: yes
[04:43] <jrhodes> grrr.
[04:43] <hondje> to be exact, I use totem-xine rather than totem-gstreamer
[04:43] <jrhodes> any setup you had to do or hotplug got it right on the first time?
[04:43] <dmouritsendk> hondje, sorry i didnt answer. I was downstairs. I think ubuntu are doing a ok job, they just need to sort out some of the minor bugs
[04:43] <gfxstyler> Seveas: ok
[04:43] <Seveas> gfxstyler, addgroup kevin video will do that trick for you
[04:44] <bob2> dmouritsendk: please do report problems you find
[04:44] <hondje> dmouritsendk: So you don't think they should do something like be a more hardcore lindows or anything?
[04:45] <jrhodes> only significant problems I've seen with ubuntu so far: a) it's an annoying process to replace gnome and b) sometimes the repos are down
[04:45] <hondje> Gnome runs really well on it though
[04:45] <hondje> on Sid it was far more slow/bloated
[04:45] <bob2> the machines in our DC have been down 3 times in a year, that I know of
[04:45] <bigfoot> hondje, accdng to help-->about in Totem, it said that it is using the Xine libraries. So i go to Movie-->Open Location, and put in the URL. But it says "Totem could not play ..... Audio codec '0x0' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies."
[04:45] <bigfoot> what am i doing wrong?
[04:45] <Seveas> jrhodes, removing gnome indeed is an afwul task to do, adding kde/xfce isn't :)
[04:45] <hondje> bigfoot: try opening it with xine
[04:45] <hondje> totem is kinda buggy
[04:45] <AirWays> How I can take screenshot in Kubuntu?
[04:45] <AirWays> What is that command
[04:45] <hondje> AirWays: Can't you press the print screen button?
[04:46] <hondje> import foo.jpg too,maybe
[04:46] <Seveas> AirWays, doesn't the <prt scr> button work?
[04:46] <Seveas> it does in gnome
[04:46] <AirWays> No
[04:46] <dmouritsendk> hondje: not at all, i think they should continue they way theyre going now. I'm really impressed with synaptic
[04:46] <jrhodes> yeah, that's fine. I'm only using ubuntu because it's more up to date debian, essentially, and as an arcane developer I'm required to use E DR17
[04:46] <Seveas> AirWays, then use the gimp :)
[04:46] <bigfoot> hondje, okay so I have Xine 0.99.3 open. where do i input the url?
[04:46] <goldfish_> AirWays: there is a take screenshot button in the Computer menu
[04:46] <Riddell> AirWays: ksnapshot
[04:46] <jrhodes> and so far I haven't figured out how to surgically remove gdm *and* have entrance work properly
[04:46] <AirWays> Just that
[04:46] <hondje> dmouritsendk: I like synaptic, great for cleaning up the hdd, since sometimes it doesn't remove orphaned deps very well (it == apt)
[04:46] <goldfish_> or u can run gnome-panel-screeshot in a terminal
[04:46] <Latis-sleepz> any1 know how to install a soundcard which is builtin on my nforce mobo?
[04:47] <hondje> entrance == hot
[04:47] <Seveas> jrhodes, apt-get remove --purge gdm
[04:47] <jrhodes> or you can run import -window root file.png from terminal
[04:47] <hondje> I can't wait until we have an ebuntu
[04:47] <Seveas> apt-get install xdm|kdm
[04:47] <hondje> he wants entrace
[04:47] <Seveas> ow entrance..
[04:47] <Seveas> hmm
[04:47] <dmouritsendk> hondje: ebuntu?
[04:47] <jrhodes> no, no kdm/xdm.
[04:47] <hondje> I got that working once, so awesome :D
[04:47] <bkw> I've a centrino 1.5Ghz, how comes that /proc/cpuinfo say: model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1500MHz  ;  cpu MHz         : 598.092  ?
[04:47] <hondje> dmouritsendk: for when e17 comes out :)
[04:47] <goldfish_> you need imagemagik to use import no?
[04:47] <dmouritsendk> hondje: aah :)
[04:47] <bob2> bkw: because it scales down when you're not using it, to save power
[04:47] <Seveas> any url?
[04:48] <hondje> Seveas: It's enlightenments version of kdm/gdm/xdm
[04:48] <Seveas> ahh
[04:48] <bob2> bkw: when you do something, it will go up again
[04:48] <bigfoot> Anybody knows where to put the URL in Xine, please?
[04:48] <hondje> It's nice, nothing special buy typical for raster it's lovely
[04:48] <jrhodes> bkw: cpu frequency scaling. it's one of the beautiful things about a pentium M- it saves power when you're not using the whole cpu
[04:48] <hondje> bigfoot: alt-m I think
[04:48] <Seveas> yeah
[04:48] <Seveas> pentium-m is nice
[04:48] <bkw> Oh! so this is done in realtime depending on the load...
[04:48] <bob2> bkw: right
[04:48] <hondje> real time?!
[04:49] <hondje> I'd assume the kernel handles that?
[04:49] <bob2> Seveas: what sort of machine?
[04:49] <bkw> bob2: jrhodes, thanks for you answers.
[04:49] <Dave2|irssi> I think I can do 5 mins on one battery.
[04:49] <bob2> hondje: no, a userspace daemon called powernowd does it
[04:49] <delire> hondje: yes, as opposed to "unreal time".
[04:49] <Seveas> bob2, HP/compaq nc6000
[04:49] <hondje> bob2: that's awesome
[04:49] <jrhodes> I have a P-M 1.7 myself.
[04:49] <bob2> Seveas: ah, nice
[04:49] <Seveas> my laptop has an uptime of 2 weeks
[04:49] <bob2> my x40 is down to only 4 hours/battery
[04:49] <hondje> delire: :)
[04:49] <goldfish_> jrhodes: how do u find ubuntu on it?
[04:49] <jrhodes> what what?
[04:49] <Seveas> and my commute time is 2 1/2 hours max :)
[04:49] <ssam> hello, can some one see if they get any response from this web page. http://teachweb.ph.man.ac.uk/
[04:50] <delire> not using hoary. anyone know whether hoary ships with ifplugd ?
[04:50] <_kevin> E: Couldn't find package winecfg  <--- i followed the instructions on the ubuntuguide to add all the extra repositories and still i get that message
[04:50] <Latis-sleepz> how do I install nforcedrivers under ubuntu?
[04:50] <Latis-sleepz> or does the kernel come with it?
[04:50] <Seveas> delire, it does not ship with it, but it's available from the repositories
[04:50] <bigfoot> hondje, alt-m is for files on my computer, how about for a file that is on the internet?
[04:50] <Seveas> Latis-sleepz, it comes with it
[04:50] <delire> Seveas: right.
[04:50] <hondje> bigfoot: oh, I dunno
[04:50] <hondje> maybe you can't....try mplayer
[04:50] <bkw> I must say that ubuntu 5.04 makes life easier when you want a desktop. I currently run it on my travelmate and _everything_ is working flawless..
[04:50] <Seveas> iirc you need to modrobe the network drivers
[04:50] <jrhodes> these + and - signs are driving me up the wall
[04:50] <Seveas> (for nforce)
[04:51] <Latis-sleepz> Seveas, how do I make it probe+
[04:51] <Seveas> ssam, no response
[04:51] <Latis-sleepz> so my system uses it?
[04:51] <hondje> I wonder how ubuntu knew I had a korean/english keyboard
[04:51] <jrhodes> Latis-sleepz: hotplug *should* handle that for you
[04:51] <ssam> seveas, thank, though it might just be me
[04:51] <Seveas> Latis-sleepz, for the network card: modprobe forcedeth (or better, add it to /etc/modules)
[04:51] <hondje> that's just kinda weird, it didn't ever 'ask'
[04:52] <Latis-sleepz> Seveas, im talking about audio :)
[04:52] <goldfish_> jrhodes: how do u find ubuntu on you 1.7 - M ?
[04:52] <jrhodes> oh, it's nice so far
[04:52] <Seveas> Latis-sleepz, that should work automagically afaik
[04:52] <hondje> my friends laugh at me for using ubuntu
[04:52] <Latis-sleepz> Seveas, ok
[04:52] <delire> hondje: why?
[04:52] <Latis-sleepz> cause my system can just handle one application with sound at a time
[04:52] <jrhodes> why's that, hondje? it's nowhere near as retarded as a redhat-oid ;)
[04:53] <Latis-sleepz> I can use audio in cedega since its getting used by another application
[04:53] <hondje> delire: Well, a lot of us read the unix forum at dslreports.com...
[04:53] <Seveas> Latis-sleepz, that's normal if you have disabled the sound server or use appications that bypass it
[04:53] <delire> hondje: ahah
[04:53] <jrhodes> perhaps they use FC and they're trying to compensate for their own OS's shortcomings
[04:53] <bkw> bob2, jrhodes: cpu MHz         : 1495.230 now :)
[04:53] <hondje> And jdong of backports fame kept hyping it up, and then a couple other people
[04:53] <hondje> so, it was kinda the backlash gentoo had at first, as being trendy...
[04:53] <Latis-sleepz> Seveas, I havnt touched the soundserver :P
[04:53] <hondje> But then jdong started that backports thing...but he's not actually backporting things
[04:53] <Seveas> Latis-sleepz, so your applications are bypassing it :)
[04:53] <delire> hondje: ubuntu is largely a sensible distro. still has a few critical shortcomings
[04:54] <hondje> That gave many the impression that ubuntu == overhyped and silly, which is still kinda true
[04:54] <Latis-sleepz> Seveas, ok :)
[04:54] <hondje> Another friend dislikes how it's not 'debian/ubuntu' instead
[04:54] <hor> Somebody here who can say me where i can get a file named "vnc.so"?
[04:54] <jrhodes> ubuntu as an OMG REVOLUTIONARY OS is a bit silly. but as an upgraded, more graphical debian, it's nicely done
[04:54] <ssam> latis-sleepz, try system -> prefs -> multimedia system selector
[04:54] <Seveas> hor, what do you need it for?
[04:54] <AirWays> How I can bind "print scrn" button to run command "ksnapshot" ?
[04:54] <hondje> jrhodes: exactly! And once I got that message, I switched to it as a long time debian fan
[04:55] <hor> Seveas: VNC Sessions
[04:55] <hondje> but the fans are vocal and many, which drives a lot of people nuts, like the original gentoo ricers did
[04:55] <Seveas> hor, to connect to one or to start listening?
[04:55] <jrhodes> and like the current gentoo ricers still do
[04:55] <delire> hondje: mepis is still better for new users wanting a multimedia capable system out-of-the-box. ubuntu however is closer to the spirit of GNU and so has far more political integrity.
[04:55] <hor> Seveas: for connecting. I know, on other distributions the file existed
[04:55] <jrhodes> I run gentoo on my sparc boxes but I stay the hell away from #gentoo, lol
[04:55] <hondje> plus it has that rip-off reputation to get off, like mandrake used to have
[04:55] <hondje> delire: Yeah, I agree, which is one of the big poitns to me using it
[04:56] <Seveas> hor, just type in a terminal: vncviewer somewhere
[04:56] <hondje> I like Free as in Libre
[04:56] <bkw> strange, totem give 'could not open resource for writing' both for dvd/mpg files
[04:56] <jrhodes> hey, if debian had gotten to this point by itself then ubuntu wouldn't exist
[04:56] <delire> hondje: precis
[04:56] <Seveas> where somewhere is the name/address of the machine you connect to
[04:56] <jrhodes> but the fact of the matter is that debian still ships with 2.4 and Xfree
[04:56] <delire> jrhodes: it is not debian's mission to make a desktop directed OS
[04:56] <hondje> People think ubuntu isn't just a freeze of sid at various times
[04:56] <bigfoot> hondje, i figured out how to play a pnm://ra.anywebsite.com/streamaudio.ra file in Totem. I just changed the prefix pnm to http!
[04:56] <hor> Seveas: hm, yep. But i want to have a VNC session with the start of X. Do you know, what package this file is part of?
[04:57] <Seveas> hor, or use applications -> internet -> terminal server client
[04:57] <hondje> They think it's a distro built on debians back...taht part isnt' explained well by the ubuntu advocates
[04:57] <jrhodes> true! but they should put xorg in the repos for people who use it as such.
[04:57] <hondje> I see it as being no worse than, say, userlinux
[04:57] <delire> darkaudit: mepis is quite brilliant really, albeit very non-free
[04:57] <hondje> yes, xorg == great idea
[04:57] <daniels> jrhodes: xorg should be in experimental, but putting it in sid right now is a terrible idea
[04:57] <hondje> when sarge goes stable in a couple weeks, sid users can have xorg thank in large part to ubuntoo
[04:57] <jrhodes> debian is supposed to be a turn-it-into-anything distro but they hamstrung themselves by leaving their apt repos in the 2 years ago department
[04:57] <bungle> Anyone know how to change resolution on the screen? and the hz? I've tried with the prog in system, but I can only get 1024 and 60hz?
[04:58] <hondje> bungle: try ctrl-alt-+ :)
[04:58] <hondje> or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:58] <daniels> bungle: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, remove the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines
[04:58] <hondje> jrhodes: Well, to be fair, XP is older than woody :)
[04:58] <jrhodes> there's nothing inherently unstable about xorg; it's a fork of xfree with a different name
[04:58] <darkaudit> IIRC GNOME 2.10 wasn't even in experimental when the Array CDs were out
[04:58] <jrhodes> XP with no service packs is older than woody, but they've been patching like rabid monkeys since it was released
[04:58] <delire> jrhodes: not true. they have obligations to stability that ubuntu doesn't, largely the server market. i have run debian since potato as a desktop and miss nothing that other debian DE driven distro's have.
[04:59] <hondje> jrhodes: how big are the patches?
[04:59] <hondje> I thought they were just security fixes / major bug fixes
[04:59] <jrhodes> delire: who runs X on a server?
[04:59] <bungle> hondje, daniels: Error: no write permission for file "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[04:59] <delire> jrhodes: i didn't say that!
[04:59] <hzybzy> sudo...
[04:59] <Seveas> hondje, XP has had 2 servicepacks of about 300MB each
[04:59] <bungle> ha
[04:59] <hondje> bungle sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:59] <bungle> i suck :)
[04:59] <jrhodes> I suggested 2 apt repo updates, not a total overhaul
[04:59] <hondje> Seveas: I see.  I know sp2 had some kinda stack protection in it, big chance
[05:00] <Seveas> hondje, so most of the OS has been replaced ;)
[05:00] <jrhodes> debian's still awesome for many server applications, though their sparc port leaves some things to be desired
[05:00] <hondje> impressive
[05:00] <hondje> woody is crap even for servers, I can't wait for sarge to get out there
[05:00] <AirWays> How I can bind "print scrn" button to run command "ksnapshot" ?
[05:00] <delire> jrhodes: it's still awesome as a desktop, if you want it to be, just not for new users.
[05:00] <jrhodes> such as sparc32plus binaries for ultra systems
[05:00] <darkaudit> and monthly security patches... so if XP had an exploit found 2 days after a patch was posted, it'd be another 28-ish days before it would be fixed
[05:01] <jrhodes> not for new, non-geek users you mean. I taught myself on potato ;)
[05:01] <delire> jrhodes: precis
[05:01] <darkaudit> linux fixes average what, aw week or less? :)
[05:01] <hondje> about that
[05:01] <hondje> security ones can be a bit longer if they're particularly subtle
[05:02] <Seveas> darkaudit, depends on the distro
[05:02] <delire> jrhodes: debian is a set of tools for building a task specific OS. ubuntu is one such symptom of their efforts.
[05:02] <jrhodes> indeed
[05:02] <hondje> userlinux is going to be nice when bruce can get it out
[05:02] <hondje> But the ubuntoo guys need to explain the relationship w/ debian better I think
[05:02] <jrhodes> I merely think they should offer at least a larger range of options for use with those tools.
[05:02] <hondje> they read a few comments on slashdot, a few articles by Ian on OSNews, and voila, bad rep as theifs
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> it's not complicated
[05:03] <delire> hondje: hardly, i think shuttleworth is making the relationship quite clear
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu is in exactly the same position as several other distros
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> there are many distros that are debian based
[05:03] <hondje> yes, but while he does it the 'newbies' dont'
[05:03] <hondje> They go around saying 'ubuntu is from debian' and it doesn't send the correct information
[05:03] <darkaudit> hondje: since a fair number of DD's are also part of the Ubuntu project, they're alledgely stealing from *themselves* :)
[05:03] <Latis-sleepz> ssam, what should I use there?
[05:04] <hondje> I know, I know....
[05:04] <ssam> latis-sleepz, have a play
[05:04] <Latis-sleepz> ssam, it does not matter which one I choose, I cant test it since it fails to test em
[05:04] <hondje> I'm just saying, I get some shit for running ubuntu, and have to explain it
[05:04] <delire> hondje: ubuntu is best thought of a desktop directed debian based OS constructed around 'sensible-defaults'.
[05:04] <Latis-sleepz> but it comes sound through my speakers with all of em
[05:04] <Latis-sleepz> so which one is best?
[05:04] <hondje> I think of ubuntu as a gnome-ified debian sid
[05:04] <jrhodes> I'm also here as a representative of arcane linux, a debian-based distro targeted at multimedia/content creation that will ship with E DR17; channel is #arcane, website is arcanelinux.org and a good half of the devs use ubuntu as our development platforms
[05:05] <hondje> though I'm still annoyed bzflag2 isn't in it :(
[05:05] <ssam> latis-sleepz, alsa is prob best, other two are older
[05:05] <jrhodes> and we still need more coders
[05:05] <hondje> jrhodes: e17 will kill so many minds
[05:05] <hondje> I downloaded and installed it, hoping to find bugs and help fix it to get it out...
[05:05] <jrhodes> E17 is awesome already and it's nowhere near finished
[05:05] <hondje> But the code was so perfect
[05:05] <ssam> the wait for e17 will kill more
[05:05] <hondje> i found no bugs that were obvious....
[05:05] <hondje> though I couldn't get the openGL engine running
[05:05] <jrhodes> yeah, just missing features
[05:06] <delire> jrhodes: E17 seems low on useability and high on gloss.
[05:06] <hondje> and small ones, like not letting the menu go over the edge, etc
[05:06] <jrhodes> dude, it's pre-alpha
[05:06] <delire> jrhodes: i realise
[05:06] <jrhodes> of course it's low on useability
[05:06] <hondje> jrhodes: is raster going to bring back the drag bar?
[05:06] <delire> jrhodes: what are their long-term trajectories with e17 as a viable productivity driven DE?
[05:06] <hondje> the greatest UI improvement that never got picked up?
[05:06] <jrhodes> I don't know. he's cryptic about a lot of things
[05:06] <delire> hmm
[05:07] <hondje> I don't think e17 is supposed to be productivity driven
[05:07] <hondje> I think it's supposed to be intuitive
[05:07] <hondje> all that apple wants to be...imagine if they captured his genius mind :)
[05:07] <jrhodes> heh
[05:08] <hondje> look at the wobbly windows videos, with the real-time images in the pager...even that's raster-esque :)
[05:08] <delire> hondje: KDE is intuitive, albeit from a windows user's perspective. i see this as i introduce my students to linux, many of which migrate in part or in whole as a result.
[05:08] <jrhodes> indeed
[05:08] <hondje> The drag bar, though, in e16 was the greatest usability invention in years
[05:08] <hondje> delire: I find KDE a bit too confusing...
[05:08] <jrhodes> I find KDE to be visually overwhelming
[05:08] <delire> hondje: i however find wmi.modprobe.de to be the most intuitive wm i've ever used.
[05:08] <hondje> too many options, too customizable, but I am far away from windows, I can't use their UI it's so clunky
[05:08] <hondje> KDE is beautiful
[05:09] <delire> hondje: jrhodes: i do too. my students don't however.
[05:09] <kisain> i got an error  /dev/md0: no sutch file or dir
[05:09] <hondje> Gnome has real thought in the UI though
[05:09] <kisain> anyone know this?
[05:09] <Seveas> kde is krap imho
[05:09] <hondje> definately the one for recovering OS X users
[05:09] <hondje> I wouldn't say it's krap, I used it from pre-2 through 3.3.something
[05:09] <jrhodes> kisain: trying to use lvm?
[05:09] <delire> Seveas: most geeks would agree. my students (even OSX users) love it.
[05:09] <hondje> The code is clean, well written and bugs are quickly smashed...
[05:09] <delire> true
[05:09] <hondje> KDE has lovely code, just kinda poor organization I think
[05:10] <kisain> kinda trying to setup a fresh install of ubntu with raid 1
[05:10] <rama> what are the best webpage editiors in the repositories?
[05:10] <kisain> i think i failed lol
[05:10] <hondje> rama: bluefish is nice
[05:10] <Sionide> woot
[05:10] <jrhodes> yeah, sounds like it. start over.
[05:10] <Sionide> whats everyones high scores on gnometris? :)
[05:10] <hondje> 3.4 looked great, but kubuntu was amazingly buggly
[05:10] <kisain> ok how would you sugest?
[05:10] <kisain> i need to use a 40 gig and a 30 gig
[05:10] <goldfish_> Sionide: i know someone who got 700,000
[05:10] <kisain> to do raid 1
[05:10] <Sionide> what the....
[05:10] <goldfish_> Sionide: I know :/
[05:10] <goldfish_> They are sick.
[05:10] <Sionide> impossible!
[05:11] <bungle> don't remember who helped me BUT, i changed the stuff you told me when I wanted to change my resolution, but now it's locked on 640 and 60hz...
[05:11] <delire> one has too agree gnome would go alot further with tighter integration and a better default font set. many first impressions of gnome by new users are that it "looks old". gladly shuttleworth offers a bounty for a new default icon set.
[05:11] <goldfish_> Sionide: hold on a second......
[05:11] <Hoxzer> what is good software for programing C++ in Ubuntu?
[05:11] <Sionide> i just 59,270 which is my highest ever... >:\ lol
[05:11] <delire> Hoxzer: emacs
[05:11] <hondje> I didn't like gnome last I tried it at like 2.6 or something...
[05:11] <Marble2> is there any good wallpaper rotaters our there?
[05:11] <bungle> don't remember who helped me BUT, i changed the stuff you told me when I wanted to change my resolution, but now it's locked on 640 and 60hz...
[05:11] <hondje> So when I dropped KDE I went to xfce...
[05:11] <Hoxzer> Ok
[05:11] <jrhodes> Hoxzer: jed is good if you're used to RHIDE or Borland's IDE
[05:11] <Sionide> yeah the ubuntu-calender thing does a new ubuntu wallpaper every month
[05:11] <Seveas> vim!
[05:11] <hondje> But it's either 2.10 or ubuntu, it runs so much better than 2.8 in Sid
[05:12] <delire> Seveas: that would be my choice ;) most VC6/7 users wouldn't agree though ;)
[05:12] <hondje> Hoxzer: kdevelop if you like a visual-studio style IDE
[05:12] <goldfish_> Sionide: here is the other tetris they play.... look at the high scores :)
[05:12] <goldfish_> Sionide: http://games.redbrick.dcu.ie/tetris.php
[05:12] <hondje> I use qt developer, it's so awesome
[05:12] <jrhodes> I am inexplicably reminded that I need to set up this SS20 under my desk
[05:12] <bungle> please, anyone help me fix the resolution :((.. sry for whining..
[05:12] <jrhodes> moderately AFK for a few
[05:12] <delire> hondje: agreed! very impressed
[05:12] <hondje> power of C++ meets the cuteness of glade/vb
[05:12] <cam_> why is it when i try run rhythmbox that it gives me an error "Failed to create the player: Couldnt initialize schedular. Did you run gst-register?"
[05:12] <hondje> bungle: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:13] <bungle> hondje, i removed the vert blabla and then what?
[05:13] <hondje> bungle: Then you add the resolution you want, probably to the 24 bit color depth section
[05:13] <hondje> you removed it? why?
[05:14] <hondje> jrhodes: http://www.rasterman.com/files/blend.tar.gz
[05:14] <Seveas> hondje, because daniels told him to
[05:14] <jrhodes> and that is?
[05:14] <hondje> oh, I wouldn't have, but that's because I"m uptight
[05:14] <hondje> jrhodes: some code raster wrote for the xorg guys, for compositing and other eye candies
[05:15] <hondje> I saw it once on osnews, but I don't get X at all, can't tell what it does...since you code, perhaps you can offer a tiny look at it?
[05:15] <jrhodes> me? code? lol. I'm a hardware hacker
[05:15] <jrhodes> I do bash and that's about it
[05:15] <hondje> oh, I thought you said you did the code thing :)
[05:15] <jrhodes> bash and builds
[05:15] <bungle> hondje, where should i type the resolution i want?
[05:15] <hondje> I do fortran and matlab :)
[05:15] <cam_> why is it when i try run rhythmbox that it gives me an error "Failed to create the player: Couldnt initialize schedular. Did you run gst-register?"
[05:16] <delire> i work as a graphics programmer. i look forward to toying with xorg.
[05:16] <hondje> bungle: near the bottom, where all the other resolutions are
[05:16] <cam_> this is after ive installed more gstreamer plugins
[05:16] <cam_> actually ive installed all gstreamer plugins
[05:16] <hondje> cam_: Did you try running gst-register for the plugins?
[05:16] <Seveas> cam_, have you run gst-register?
[05:16] <hondje> just run that as root in a terminal
[05:16] <cam_> gst-register doesnt exist
[05:16] <bungle> but after i removed the lines the ctrl+alt+-/+ doesn't work
[05:16] <cam_> cam@ubbie-ubuntu:~$ whereis gst-register
[05:16] <cam_> gst-register:
[05:17] <hondje> which gst-register
[05:17] <oris_wolfbane> does anyone know of any good visual cvs software?
[05:17] <cam_> returns nothing
[05:17] <hondje> delire: that'd be nice
[05:17] <hondje> I like composite transparency
[05:17] <soujiro> i am trying to install linuxdcpp and this warning keeps coming up when i do sudo scons :  warning: this is the location of the previous definition , can anyone help me pls ?
[05:17] <hondje> now I can watch the terminal AND get work done
[05:17] <hondje> bungle: did you get my msg?
[05:17] <hondje> ok
[05:17] <krg> Heh.
[05:18] <delire> hondje: what are the minimum card specs for composite? how expensive is it on the GPU?
[05:18] <hondje> I dunno the minimum
[05:18] <krg> I find translucency to be more distracting than productive.
[05:18] <hondje> I have a PCI nvidia Fx 5200 w/ 256 mb of ram
[05:18] <cam_> anyone know what provides gst-register?
[05:18] <hondje> for matlab openGL, but that isn't working....but anyway, it ran just fine with that
[05:18] <delire> cam_: isn't it gstreamer?
[05:18] <hondje> But in kubuntu, while prettier it crashed a LOT more
[05:18] <krg> PCI-E?  :P
[05:18] <bungle> hondje, yes, i've answered
[05:18] <cam_> nope, ive got gstreamer installed
[05:18] <delire> hondje: hmm
[05:19] <hondje> overall, the loss of stability wasn't worth it
[05:19] <cam_> but no gst-register
[05:19] <oris_wolfbane> does anyone know of any good visual cvs software?
[05:19] <apollo2011> I am trying to get the dial up working on my laptop, which I installed kubuntu on last night.  I tried using /dev/modem, but it can't connect to the modem.  I don't know what else I can try for the modem, being it is an internal PCI modem...
[05:19] <hondje> in gnome, the effects were kick ass, but they'd die if xscreensaver came on, or other 'stuff'
[05:19] <ssam> delire, you need a pretty good card for composite
[05:19] <delire> cam_: apt-cache search gst-register
[05:19] <hondje> so I'll wait until the xorg guys get further along
[05:19] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, eclips + svn plugin + svn repository instead of cvs
[05:19] <delire> ssam: i'd imagine so.
[05:19] <hondje> My friend said it worked fine on a mx 400 nvidia card, w/ 64 mb of ram...
[05:19] <cam_> libgstreamer
[05:19] <cam_> wtf
[05:19] <ssam> delire, but with the next version of xorg an intergrated intel should work :-)
[05:20] <hondje> I'd hope so, the mac mini has less than that for video and it has gldesktop and stuff
[05:20] <delire> ssam: ahah
[05:20] <cam_> but thats installed
[05:20] <hondje> ssam: what,  not using i810?
[05:20] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to change the gdm gtk theme?
[05:20] <delire> hondje: at a huge hit to the system albeit!
[05:20] <hondje> oh, I never noticed it sucked
[05:20] <bur[n] er> in the "theme" menu of the classic view, i only have Human as a choice
[05:20] <goldfish_> hondje: What is that blend.tar.gz?
[05:20] <Seveas> bur[n] er, system->administration->login screen setup
[05:20] <hondje> whenever I used i810, the fact it worked seemed to make me happy
[05:20] <cam_> omg
[05:20] <blaroe> hi all - quick question on apt-get
[05:20] <cam_> the command is called
[05:20] <oris_wolfbane> seveas, ive got no choice, its for a sf.net project
[05:20] <bungle> hondje, the problem is i can't change the resolution from 640 to anything, after i removed those lines daniels told me to.
[05:21] <cam_> gst-register-0.8
[05:21] <bur[n] er> Seveas: oh yeah?  where in there?
[05:21] <cam_> that is so crap
[05:21] <ssam> see http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XEyeCandy  i855
[05:21] <hondje> goldfish_: a file raster linked to during a discussion on osnews about gl and compositing for xorg
[05:21] <blaroe> I get a message the package are held back
[05:21] <blaroe> liek this:The following packages have been kept back:
[05:21] <blaroe>   gstreamer0.8-lame libxvidcore4 mplayer-386
[05:21] <goldfish_> hondje: oh right, cool.
[05:21] <hondje> bungle: Oh, then you want them back
[05:21] <Seveas> bur[n] er, graphical greeter tab
[05:21] <hondje> If you don't remember what they were, I can paste you the format in a query, but you'll have to google your monitor to find the ranges
[05:21] <blaroe> has I done something wrong during an install
[05:21] <bur[n] er> Seveas: not what I mean... i want to change the color scheme basically.... i'm sick of brown ;)
[05:21] <delire> blaroe: this after an upgrade?
[05:21] <bur[n] er> Seveas: and I use the standard greeter anyway
[05:21] <blaroe> delire: yes
[05:22] <hondje> I like the human look, but the icons suck
[05:22] <apollo2011> Can someone plz help me
[05:22] <Seveas> bur[n] er, then edit the theme :)
[05:22] <delire> blaroe: 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' (again)
[05:22] <ke-vin> hi guys, i need a css editor with code completion, any suggestions?
[05:22] <thingfish> there is a Human icon set, it's nice.
[05:22] <bur[n] er> Seveas: i can't!  there's no place to edit it!
[05:22] <bungle> hondje, sounds ok
[05:22] <hondje> goldfish_: I was hoping a xorg-savvy coder would explain wtf it was :)
[05:22] <thingfish> why it's not the default, I don't know.
[05:22] <hondje> raster codes so well, I just can't follow
[05:22] <blaroe> delire: I have tried that
[05:22] <Seveas> bur[n] er, no edit the files that make up the theme
[05:22] <Seveas> in a text editor
[05:22] <goldfish_> hondje: hehe :)
[05:22] <goldfish_> hondje: That would be nice :)
[05:22] <jrhodes> superior japanese coder
[05:23] <hondje> He's a top notch cat...true visionary, great coder, artist, and oss advocate
[05:23] <hondje> If he were more vocal, he'd push rms and esr to the sides....
[05:23] <delire> blaroe: do it again. there may have needed to be a dependency satisfied first. manually install the above packages.
[05:23] <bur[n] er> Seveas: oh... that's not fun.  Shouldn't other themes show up in the drop down in gdm somehow?  When I set standard greeter... i see "theme" as a menu item, but only Human is in that list... how could I get something like "Clearlooks" there?
[05:23] <bur[n] er> I like the human theme sometimes... so I dn't wanna mess with that
[05:23] <flodine> a guys i loaded fluxbox but now i cant get in synaptic from flux why
[05:24] <bungle> hondje, can you paste it?
[05:24] <delire> hondje: who is this cchap?
[05:24] <blaroe> delire: so remove them and reinstall
[05:24] <hondje> flodine: Can you open a terminal?
[05:24] <Seveas> bur[n] er, then install other themes from gnome-look or art.gnome.org
[05:24] <hondje> bungle: the format? Sure, I'll query you
[05:24] <flodine> yeah
[05:24] <delire> blaroe: no just 'apt-get install <pkg1> <pkg2> <pkg3>'
[05:24] <bungle> nice.
[05:24] <blaroe> delire: Thanks will do
[05:24] <delire> blaroe: anytime
[05:24] <ssam> flordine, sudo synaptic
[05:25] <hondje> I like synaptic for cleaning up crud left behind after you remove something
[05:25] <ssam> flordine, or gksudo synaptic
[05:25] <hondje> Or search for something in a general type of app...
[05:25] <bur[n] er> Seveas: i have!!!  they work in gnome, but i only have the option of human with gdm
[05:25] <bur[n] er> Seveas: maybe this is a bug?
[05:25] <flodine> ok i also cant open muine from flux side  why
[05:25] <delire> hondje: it does more than 'dpkg -P <packagename>'?
[05:25] <bur[n] er> flodine: run "esd" ?
[05:25] <hondje> I like human, but I replaced the background with some otters I shot :)
[05:25] <Seveas> bur[n] er, gnome themes are different than gdm themes...
[05:26] <flodine> what is esd
[05:26] <bur[n] er> Seveas: i need to get a gdm 'standard' theme?
[05:26] <ssam> hondji, you shoot otters, how cruel
[05:26] <delire> flodine: the "not so enlightened sound daemon"
[05:26] <bur[n] er> i thought when gdm was in standard greeter... it would use standard gtk themes
[05:26] <hondje> delire: -P == purge?
[05:26] <delire> hondje: yep
[05:26] <blaroe> delire: here is the error message frmo apt
[05:26] <bungle> hondje,  what should i google on?
[05:26] <blaroe> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:26] <blaroe>   gstreamer0.8-lame: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>   libxvidcore4: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>   mplayer-386: Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>                Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>                Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>                Depends: libpostproc0 (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>                Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[05:26] <blaroe>                Depends: xmms (>= 1.2.10+cvs20050209) but 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[05:26] <hondje> delire: it doesn't get rid of unneeded rdeps, afaik
[05:26] <Quest-Master> blaroe, #flood
[05:26] <bur[n] er> awww flood!
[05:26] <Seveas> blaroe, DO NOT DO THAT
[05:26] <we2by> does Ubuntu support SATA II hd's?
[05:26] <blaroe> sorry
[05:27] <bungle> hondje,  what should i google on?
[05:27] <Seveas> and stop using marillat
[05:27] <delire> hondje: ahah, so synaptic does this. sounds like a --clean
[05:27] <Seveas> because this is caused by marillat
[05:27] <jrhodes> that was a pretty weenie flood tbh
[05:27] <hondje> bungle: I would google the monitor name, like mine is hp v72, and 'specifications'
[05:27] <hondje> delire: well, I don't use synaptic for it
[05:27] <delire> hondje: ahah
[05:27] <hondje> I use synaptic for housecleaning, for things that missed, every few months
[05:27] <bur[n] er> eh, screw it, i gotta go... i'll make a bug report later :)  thanks anyway Seveas
[05:27] <hondje> the ones that sneak past and have no reason being installed
[05:27] <hondje> Sensebend: Damn, how's it? :)
[05:28] <Sensebend> hey hondje
[05:28] <delire> hondje: have you looked at deborphan?
[05:28] <Sensebend> what on earth are you doing in here ? :)
[05:28] <hondje> I joined the ubuntu side, Sensebend
[05:28] <Sensebend> SERIOUSLY?
[05:28] <hondje> !google deborphan
[05:28] <hondje> Sensebend: yes, so I can't dog you anymore :(
[05:28] <Seveas> hondje, deborphan/debfoster may help there
[05:28] <Sensebend> that's awesome
[05:28] <hondje> Seveas: Thanks, I'll look into that
[05:28] <Sensebend> what made you switch?
[05:29] <hondje> Sarge being delayed ANOTHER month, while sid stayed dated in the waiting
[05:29] <jrhodes> woo my bandwidth is back
[05:29] <jrhodes> or wait
[05:29] <jrhodes> no, darn
[05:29] <nirk> please help me, anyone: I can't access the network in a recently fresh-installed hoary. the problem first appeared when I upgraded from warty. neither static nor dhcp works, neither bridging nor nat on router. it works fine in windows and did in warty. thanks
[05:29] <jrhodes> still inordinately slow
[05:29] <hondje> I said 'screw it', and gave it a shot, and tested novell too
[05:29] <Seveas> hondje, i always run deborphan -a grep -- -dev every few weeks until no more -dev things are installed that i don't need :)
[05:29] <hondje> Now I'm a buntoobian like Sensebend
[05:29] <hondje> for a good two months or so, whenever hoary came out
[05:29] <hondje> Seveas: that's a good idea
[05:29] <Sensebend> you've joined the darkside :P
[05:29] <Sensebend> or maybe I've just been watching too much Star Wars
[05:29] <hondje> I often download dev stuff to compile one thing, then remove them and forget a lib or two
[05:30] <hondje> better than your anime, Sensebend
[05:30] <Varanger> daniels: are you here?
[05:30] <nirk> and: how do you download all of hoary so all the packages resides on your harddisk?
[05:30] <soujiro> does ubuntu have gcc-config like gentoo ?
[05:30] <Sensebend> this is sorta OT, take it to ATU?
[05:30] <we2by> does Ubuntu support SATA II hd's?
[05:30] <hondje> gcc-config? What's that soujiro
[05:30] <jrhodes> we2by, if the linux kernel supports it then technically yes
[05:31] <jrhodes> the problem with windows converts is they don't understand the whole drivers thing
[05:31] <apollo2011> My main problem now is getting an internet connection, at home I have dsl but right now I need a dialup connection and I can't get my modem to work.  How can I figure out the /dev name if it is internal and isn't /dev/mdoem.  I tried that and it didn't work, couldn't connect to modem  The Ubuntu how to doesn't tell you exactly how to do it if its internal and isn't /dev/modem
[05:31] <blaroe> Seveas: by marillat, you mean in sources.list?
[05:31] <hondje> so, what's this terminal server client thing?
[05:31] <soujiro> somebody told me that i need that to compile linuxdcpp
[05:31] <garo> hondje: Your nick is dutch, but i get a american provider if I /whois you ?
[05:31] <Seveas> blaroe, yes, or any other non-ubuntu repositories
[05:31] <hondje> Its eems to be a windows thing, but I have no way to play with it
[05:31] <Sensebend> hondje, it's like a GUI for a bunch of remote access tools
[05:31] <soujiro> its for g++ i think
[05:31] <bungle> hondje,  thank you, now it's ok
[05:31] <Sensebend> such as vnc
[05:31] <jrhodes> it's so insanely simple compared to the windows driver issue that it's completely alien concept to many windows users
[05:31] <hondje> garo: I'm an american with many dutch friends, who took my name and mutated it into a dutch one :)
[05:32] <hondje> bungle: glad to help
[05:32] <blaroe> Seveas: thanks
[05:32] <hondje> bungle: if you feel like it, you can switch between them now w/ ctrl-alt-=
[05:32] <Seveas> hondje, judging by your name i would say you are dutch :)
[05:32] <hondje> Just use the + on the numpad, works better for me
[05:32] <Seveas> but your IP tells otherwise
[05:32] <hondje> Seveas: nope, 100% american troll :)
[05:32] <apollo2011> Does anyone know how to use a modem in Kubuntu?
[05:32] <garo> hondje: you do know that i means "dog" i hope ? :)
[05:32] <jrhodes> so you get questions like "does *insertdistrohere* have drivers for *inserthardwarehere*?" because they don't grasp that it's a linux kernel thing that's almost completely independent of the distribution
[05:33] <Sensebend> hondje is a troll, you'll do well to ignore him ;)
[05:33] <hondje> I chat a lot at telnet://talker.rekka.net:4242, which is in amsterdam...
[05:33] <goldfish_> apollo2011: try #kubuntu maybe ?
[05:33] <hondje> the mutated my name smitedogg to dogg, then hondje :)
[05:33] <hondje> garo: So now I'm hondje, and even tried to get hondje.nl for my site :)  I ended up with .net though
[05:33] <Seveas> yeah, .nl is only available for dutch people/companies
[05:34] <hondje> well, my webserver is in amsterdam, so we could have snuck it, but somoene else had it
[05:34] <anto9us> Seveas: I think european domains are available to all europeans
[05:34] <Seveas> anto9us, not for .nl
[05:34] <goldfish_> nope
[05:34] <hondje> I wanted .nl so that the US .gov couldn't mess to much with my site
[05:35] <anto9us> well, that's just mean
[05:35] <goldfish_> u would need to own a company called hondje in holland to buy hondje.nl