[00:23] <aztek> hi duanedesign
[00:23] <kaffir> hi everyone
[00:23] <kaffir> hey aztek
[00:23] <aztek> do you know how to install libreoffice in ubuntu?
[00:23] <aztek> kaffir: hai
[00:24] <kaffir> hi
[00:24] <holstein> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/
[00:24]  * holstein looking for a PPA
[00:25] <holstein> yeah, heres a good link
[00:25] <holstein> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/libreoffice-3-3-2-released-and-ppa-installation-instrauctions-included.html
[00:25] <kaffir> k
[00:25] <kaffir> looks same as openoffice
[00:25] <aztek> ok, holstein
[00:25] <aztek> thank you
[00:26] <aztek> ups
[00:26] <aztek> how about in backtrack?
[00:26] <holstein> its ubuntu based right?
[00:26] <aztek> yes
[00:27] <holstein> i would be cautious about adding that ppa
[00:27] <holstein> but, it probably would be fine
[00:27] <holstein> the other directions talk about a .deb though
[00:27] <holstein> im not clear on how customized BT is though
[00:31] <aztek> i wanna reboot
[00:32] <Unguided> Hey Holstein. Whats going on?
[00:34] <holstein> Unguided: not much, and you?
[00:35] <Unguided> Not much. gotta work tonight but have family in town from chicago. did u get the thank you from me the other day. I had to go. im a volunteer firfighter and had a call
[00:35] <holstein> OH yeah
[00:35] <holstein> i did
[00:35] <holstein> glad all is well
[00:36] <Unguided> Yep. Looking to get rid of windows home server
[00:36] <Unguided> Holstein: did u see the message i put up about the book?
[00:37] <holstein> i dont think so
[00:37]  * holstein scrolling
[00:38] <holstein> oh yeah
[00:38] <holstein> a practical guide to linux
[00:38] <holstein> i have 'how linux works'
[00:38] <holstein> very handy
[00:38] <holstein> and all the ubuntu documentation is so amazing
[00:39] <holstein> the wiki pages can be overwhelming
[00:39] <holstein> but they are a great resource
[00:39] <Unguided> Yep. Thought you could put that in your bag of tricks for newbs like me who ask alot of questions? Who is the author of how linux works? Yeah it answered a lot of the questions
[00:39] <Unguided> I had
[00:40] <holstein> http://www.amazon.com/How-Linux-Works-Superuser-Should/dp/1593270356
[00:41] <Unguided> i just found it? The book i have tells you about the topic, package dependencies and how to configure it. for example samba. Great book
[00:48] <Unguided> Holstein: I will be back later. i have to go get pizza for the family. Great to talk with you again
[00:49] <holstein> Unguided: enjoy :)
[00:50] <kaffir> holstein, how does it differ with openoffice
[00:57] <holstein> that was mostly just for aztek
[00:58] <holstein> not really an endorsment either way
[00:58] <holstein> its an official fork AFAIK
[00:58] <holstein> probably not much difference yet
[01:02] <philipballew> if im setting up ssh on my desktop is it better to have the computer password protected or ssh protected into the server?
[01:19] <kaffir> i was just curious
[01:20] <holstein> philipballew: i have a key
[01:20] <holstein> and the key has a password
[01:20] <holstein> with security, more is more ;)
[01:23] <philipballew> that makes sence. i can use both methods. that makes sence
[01:23] <holstein> locally though
[01:23] <holstein> on my mostly trusted home network
[01:23] <philipballew> i need to accsess this server from miles away
[01:23] <holstein> i usually just set up SSH and do passwords
[01:23] <holstein> but the server to the outside
[01:24] <holstein> thats not acccepting passwords
[01:24] <holstein> you have to have the key
[01:24] <holstein> and the pass for the key
[01:24] <philipballew> sounds doable
[01:24] <holstein> hey, if i can do it, you can :)
[02:11] <ash9> I have ubuntu on dual boot..But my wireless is not working...however ethernet works
[02:12] <ash9> does anybody know how to fix that?
[02:16] <holstein> ash9: 10.10?
[02:16] <ash9> yes
[02:17] <ash9> downloaded it a month before
[02:17] <holstein> ash9: wifi has never worked though right?
[02:17] <ash9> yes
[02:17] <ash9> never
[02:17] <holstein> OK
[02:17] <holstein> when you reboot the machine
[02:17] <holstein> with the network wired
[02:17] <ash9> k
[02:17] <holstein> does it have a popup about a restricted driver availalbe?
[02:18] <ash9> no
[02:18] <holstein> ash9: open up a terminal
[02:18] <ash9> k
[02:18] <holstein> and a web browser
[02:18] <holstein> go here http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[02:18] <ash9> done!
[02:19] <holstein> and paste what you find when you run this in terminal
[02:19] <holstein> lspci
[02:19] <holstein> and give me the link
[02:20] <ash9> http://paste.ubuntu.com/597662/
[02:20] <thewrath> hey all
[02:20] <thewrath> i have the following set up
[02:22] <holstein> ash9: OK
[02:22] <holstein> i got news
[02:22] <holstein> http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/tag/wifi-card-ralink-5390-configuration-in-ubuntu-10-10-64-bit/
[02:22] <holstein> ^ check that out
[02:22] <holstein> however
[02:22] <holstein> i would probably try the windows driver
[02:23] <holstein> with ndiswrapper
[02:23] <holstein> since you are dual booting
[02:23] <holstein> and the driver you need is on the hard drive somewhere
[02:23] <holstein> and that just might work
[02:23] <thewrath> Internet -> Comcast Cable Modem -> Ethernet Hub -> Linksys WRT160N Router -> Wireless and Wiredd_Components
[02:23] <thewrath> I have an IDS connected to the Hub
[02:23] <holstein> ash9: eitherway, i would try upgrading the system
[02:23] <holstein> however you feel comfortable doing that
[02:23] <thewrath> but when I attempt to wireless connect to my router i get connected and an IP Address but no access to the internet
[02:23] <thewrath> any idea why
[02:24] <thewrath> if i am hard wired into the router it works fine
[02:24] <thewrath> why?
[02:24] <holstein> ash9: after te upgrade, reboot, and if wifi isnt working, i would try ndiswrapper, then that fix above
[02:24] <holstein> you can find ndis in any package manager
[02:24] <holstein> and you'll find it in the menu labeled 'windows drivers' or something similar
[02:25] <holstein> thewrath: just from linux?
[02:27] <ash9> holstein:  thank you so much
[02:27] <ash9> i will be goin over the recommendations you made!!
[02:27] <thewrath> holstein: what do you m ean?
[02:28] <holstein> ash9: let us know, there are other options if those dont work
[02:28] <holstein> thewrath: can you connect wirelessly with no issues from other devices? os's?
[02:28] <thewrath> wireless in linux yes but not in windows
[02:29] <holstein> hmmm
[02:29] <holstein> let me re-phrase
[02:29] <ash9> alright!!And if in case I couldn't get to you today, then will I be able to get back to you again by any chance
[02:29] <ash9> ?
[02:29] <holstein> seems like you are able to connect with linux
[02:29] <holstein> but not get to the internet
[02:29] <holstein> is this isolated to one machine?
[02:29] <thewrath> not sure as i only have 1 linux and 1 windows pc
[02:29] <holstein> do you have other boxes and/or os's you can try connecting wirelessly with
[02:29] <holstein> to make sure its not the AP that is the trouble?
[02:30] <thewrath> i can attempt to do it from my phone when ig et back to my place
[02:30] <thewrath> i will be back on sunday
[02:30] <holstein> ash9: you can ping me, if im around, i'll pipe up
[02:30] <thewrath> i am visiting my parents for Easter holiday and no access to that equipment from here
[02:30] <holstein> but everyone here is helpful ash9 :)
[02:30] <ash9> ohhk...but if you are not?
[02:31] <holstein> just remember what you did
[02:31] <ash9> hmm..thanks!
[02:31] <holstein> ash9: and
[02:31] <holstein> you can say, im having trouble with RaLink Device 5390 in 10.10
[02:31] <holstein> that'll get things moving a bit quicker i think
[02:31] <ash9> ohhk! great..;)
[02:32] <ash9> thnx
[02:32] <holstein> thewrath: i say, when you can, rule out that its not a router issue
[02:32] <thewrath> okay
[02:32] <holstein> then come back when you're near the gear
[02:32] <thewrath> i am running all of this at home lol
[02:32] <thewrath> just to see what i see coming into my network, etc
[02:34] <thewrath> holstein: have you run snort before
[02:35] <holstein> we had a presentation are our local LUG about it
[02:36] <holstein> and that was a build from scratch thing we all watched
[02:36] <holstein> but, i havent needed it
[02:36] <thewrath> ok
[02:36] <thewrath> know anyone in here that has run it?
[02:37] <holstein> nah
[02:38] <thewrath> where are you from holstein
[02:42] <thewrath> what is a good alternative to Microsoft visio?
[02:43] <holstein> thewrath: what are you trying to do?
[02:43] <thewrath> draw my network out
[02:43] <pleia2> the popular one is dia
[02:43] <pleia2> but you may be disappointed if you're looking for a "good alternative" - it's pretty minimal
[02:43] <thewrath> hey pleia2
[02:43] <thewrath> long time no see lol
[02:44] <pleia2> g'day thewrath
[02:44] <holstein> inkscape does vector graphics
[02:44] <ash9> I got this when I started my machine:"The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet"..How can I fix that?
[02:44] <holstein> ash9: i would just log out and back in
[02:44] <holstein> see if it still does it
[02:45] <ash9> kk...Is it a temporary error?
[02:45] <holstein> ash9: it has been for me in the past
[02:45] <ash9> does it come again when you relogged?
[02:45] <holstein> ash9: depends
[02:45] <ash9> k..what if it does?
[02:46] <holstein> ash9: try and not the exact error message
[02:46] <holstein> and we'll sort it out
[02:46] <ash9> ohhk..
[02:46] <holstein> or just take the trash applet out of the panel
[02:46] <ash9> that means..delete it?
[02:46] <holstein> i delete that 2nd panel usually
[02:47] <holstein> and dont use a trash applet
[02:47] <holstein> but im sure theres a fix
[02:47] <ash9> alright..thanx.
[02:48] <holstein> thewrath: looks like the newer visio versions run well in wine
[02:48] <holstein> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=119
[02:48] <thewrath> dont have visio at the moment lol
[02:50] <ash9> upgrading ubuntu?
[02:50] <Unguided> Hey guys. Im showing ubuntu to a friend of mine. i forget the command line to install kde from the terminal. can someone help me out ple
[02:51] <Unguided> *please
[02:51] <holstein> Unguided: are you wanting KDE and gnome?
[02:51] <holstein> or to move to KDE?
[02:51] <Unguided> I want to install both\
[02:52] <Unguided> i thought the command was sudo apt-get install kde-desktop
[02:52] <holstein> i would check out sudo apt-cache search kde
[02:53] <Unguided> k. thanks
[02:53] <ash9> holstein:did you say upgrading ubuntu?
[02:53] <ash9> oops
[02:53] <holstein> ash9: i suggested that
[02:53] <holstein> in case a kernel upgrade would add funcionality for your wifi device
[02:53] <holstein> however you do it
[02:53] <holstein> with the upgrade utility
[02:54] <holstein> or synaptic
[02:54] <holstein> or in the CLI
[02:54] <ash9> well..this is the first time I am using Ubuntu
[02:54] <ash9> I have been using windows
[02:54] <ash9> can  you please gimme the link to that?
[02:54] <ash9> for the upgrade..
[02:54] <holstein> ash9: when you are online
[02:55] <holstein> there should be a little applet
[02:55] <holstein> running near the time
[02:55] <holstein> that says you have updates
[02:55] <holstein> or, just open a terminal and run..
[02:55] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[02:55] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:56] <ash9> both?
[02:56] <holstein> ash9: in the menu
[02:56] <ash9> or just the upgrade one?
[02:56] <holstein> under system
[02:56] <holstein> administration
[02:56] <holstein> theres an update manager
[02:56] <ash9> k
[02:56] <holstein> do that if you feel more comfortable with it :)
[02:57] <ash9> it shows me just one update..thats for adobe flash
[02:57] <holstein> ash9: there should be a refresh button
[02:57] <holstein> the button that says 'check'
[02:58] <ash9> k
[02:58] <ash9> already started with the adobe flash update ..so was waiting for that to finish
[02:58] <ash9> hmm...it says 92 updates!!
[02:59] <holstein> ash9: you should get in the habit of looking through them
[02:59] <holstein> before just htting the button
[03:00] <ash9> you are right...but I am not at all sure of what those are...
[03:00] <holstein> you dont need to
[03:01] <ash9> okay..so should I go ahead and update all?
[03:01] <holstein> i would
[03:01] <holstein> you should feel free to research more
[03:01] <holstein> if you want
[03:01] <holstein> and do what you feel comfortable with
[03:01] <ash9> okay.. thnx
[03:01] <holstein> but, uprgading a package or 2 can potentially add funcionality for your wifi
[03:02] <holstein> but, probably not with that particular device
[03:02] <ash9> hmm...I'll let you know whenever the updates are done...
[07:32] <stlsaint> back
[07:32] <stlsaint> o/
[08:07] <halpbatman> does anyone use e4rat? wanna help me set it up?
[08:08] <virgo> what is this
[08:10] <halpbatman> virgo, http://e4rat.sourceforge.net/
[08:10] <halpbatman> apparently speeds up boot
[08:10] <halpbatman> for ext4 file system
[08:12] <halpbatman> virgo, I got the deb. package from their website. but when I try to install it. it says "Error: Conflicts with the installed package 'ureadahead'
[08:12] <virgo> i am not the pro here, i am also a beginner lol
[08:13] <halpbatman> oh i see
[08:13] <virgo> but my oponion about installing all kind of things in ubuntu is to use the supported packages
[08:13] <virgo> with software center or apt-get install
[08:14] <virgo> else there can be unexpected conflicts
[08:18] <halpbatman> anyone knows how to disable ureadahead daemon?
[08:25] <virgo> are you sure your system does not need this ureadahead package?
[08:27] <bioterror> ureadahead  (über-readahead)  is  used  during  boot  to  read files in
[08:27] <bioterror>        advance of when they are needed such that they are already in the  page
[08:27] <bioterror>        cache, improving boot performance.
[08:28] <stlsaint> duanedesign: poke
[08:29] <duanedesign> stlsaint: yyyyes
[08:32] <stlsaint> duanedesign: i got man page working!!
[08:32] <stlsaint> small contribution from Kuwait!! lol
[08:33] <duanedesign> stlsaint: awesome
[08:33] <duanedesign> virgo: You can remove the error message by deleting the file /etc/init/ureadahead.conf.
[08:33] <duanedesign> oops
[08:33] <duanedesign> i mean halpbatman
[08:33] <stlsaint> duanedesign: question now is how do we package it with clic so it installs upon clic installtion
[08:34] <stlsaint> duanedesign: that much i havent figured out yet
[08:34] <stlsaint> duanedesign: unless another page is written to link to the gzip
[08:34] <duanedesign> halpbatman: but I would say you are going down a road that could lead to a reinstall :) This might help http://e4rat.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Getting_it_to_work
[08:34] <stlsaint> lol
[08:34] <duanedesign> stlsaint: hmmm, i am not sure
[08:34] <stlsaint> yellow brick road of re-install
[08:34] <duanedesign> :)
[08:35] <duanedesign> I have been there many times
[08:35] <stlsaint> duanedesign: same here, makes it alot easier to spot when someone else is heading there
[08:36] <duanedesign> stlsaint: i will need to see how to package the man page
[08:36] <stlsaint> duanedesign: aye
[08:36] <duanedesign> stlsaint: i really need to get busy if i am going to get this thing done in time to make Ubuntu-O
[08:37] <stlsaint> duanedesign: would you mind testing the page to ensure i just didnt hack my way to get it working on my system
[08:38] <duanedesign> yes i ccan do that
[08:38] <stlsaint> kk one sec
[08:40] <stlsaint> duanedesign: put this in a filed named clicompanion.1
[08:40] <stlsaint> http://paste.ubuntu.com/597760/
[08:40] <stlsaint> duanedesign: maybe we should move to -dev ;)
[08:41] <duanedesign> kk
[13:16] <kristian-work> hi ppl
[13:16] <kristian-work> considering putting Lubuntu on a box... with a danish keyboard and vietnamese language
[13:16] <kristian-work> would this be problematic, you think=
[13:16] <kristian-work> ?
[13:17] <nlsthzn-work> kristian-work: why not... all the hardware comes from China and thats all Greek to me
[13:19] <kristian-work> nlsthzn-work: yeah ;)
[13:19] <kristian-work> and good to see I'm not the only one with the "-work" suffix today
[13:20] <nlsthzn-work> ;) but seriously I have no idea if it will be an issue... confuse the hell out of the user but that should be all... yup... - work :/
[13:27] <math-herbert> hello, I am new here, i am register for th beginners-team, I have send the email to the intreduction. I want to know how many times after we send the introduction what we have the answer?
[13:27] <stlsaint> math-herbert: what answer you looking for?
[13:28] <kristian-work> I have US english for language and Danish keyboard... never felt confused... I guess GDM or whatever will leave the options open...
[13:28] <stlsaint> math-herbert: is your wiki page suppose to be blank?
[13:29] <math-herbert> yes i have not enough times to complet this
[13:30] <stlsaint> math-herbert: feel free to ask the wiki team if you need help on this
[13:30] <stlsaint> math-herbert: #ubuntu-beginners-wiki is the channel
[13:31] <math-herbert> oki thanks
[13:37] <stlsaint> math-herbert: dont you just hate connection issues
[13:37] <kristian-work> stlsaint: I *love* them
[13:38] <stlsaint> oh yea
[13:38] <stlsaint> fun fun
[13:39] <stlsaint> man clicompanion
[13:39] <stlsaint> crap wrong shell
[13:39] <kristian-work> fun fun, rock and roll high school
[13:54] <nlsthzn-work> a blank wiki page is awesome... it has the potential to hold so much in the future :p
[15:52] <oliver659756> hello
[15:52] <duanedesign> hello
[15:52] <oliver659756> can I get some advice on why my dual partitioned install of ubuntu and windows wont boot windows?
[15:52] <oliver659756> from the grub boot loader i select windows the screen goes blank and the boot loader screen appears again
[15:52] <oliver659756> ubuntu works fine though :/
[15:53] <oliver659756> any suggestions?
[15:53] <duanedesign> hmm, ok
[15:55] <oliver659756> ideas anyone?
[15:55] <duanedesign> oliver659756: yeah, i am looking for a guide
[15:56] <oliver659756> thanks
[15:56] <oliver659756> windows ran fine i installed ubuntu and now it doesnt boot
[15:57] <duanedesign> windows shows up in Grub though?
[15:58] <oliver659756> yeah
[15:58] <oliver659756> this is the grub config for the windows install
[15:58] <oliver659756> http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1303567984081.jpg
[15:58] <oliver659756> (I asked for help on 4chan /g/ board also)
[16:00] <duanedesign> oliver659756: do you have windows7 or vista?
[16:00] <oliver659756> its vista as I only had a vista CD with me
[16:00] <oliver659756> so had to install vista
[16:05] <duanedesign> oliver659756: you used EasyBCD?
[16:06] <oliver659756> I dont know what that is so I dont think so, I partitioned the drive then installed windows from install disk, I then installed ubuntu from install disk on the other partition
[16:06] <oliver659756> windows booted when i first installed it
[16:06] <oliver659756> but after installing ubuntu it doesnt boot even when i select to boot it
[16:06] <oliver659756> it just reverts to the boot manager screen shown in the screen shot
[16:07] <holstein> oliver659756: do you see windows in the grub list?
[16:07] <oliver659756> yes, this is a photo of the grub list
[16:07] <oliver659756> http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1303567984081.jpg
[16:07] <oliver659756> the bottom screen shot is the configuration it has for windows
[16:07] <duanedesign> oliver659756: sorry my bad I was looking at the wrong page
[16:07] <oliver659756> no problem the help is really appreciated
[16:08] <holstein> first thing i would do is boot ubuntu
[16:08] <holstein> and run sudo update-grub
[16:08] <holstein> then, i guess i would try re-installing grub with a live CD
[16:09] <oliver659756> i got advised to do that from someone else, I tried it and it didnt fix it when i rebooted :(
[16:10] <holstein> oliver659756: tried both?
[16:10] <oliver659756> how do i reinstall grub?
[16:10] <duanedesign> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[16:10] <holstein> well, i would do it with a live CD
[16:10] <holstein> yeah...
[16:10]  * holstein high-fives duanedesign :)
[16:10] <holstein> that literally wont hurt anything
[16:11] <holstein> and its a good thing to learn how to do
[16:11]  * holstein BBL
[16:11] <oliver659756> ok so i need to use the ubuntu install cd?
[16:11] <oliver659756> and do what? (apologies for having no idea what im doing)
[16:12] <holstein> oliver659756: just check out that link
[16:12] <holstein> it'll talk you through booting from a live CD
[16:12] <holstein> and installing GRUB
[16:12] <holstein> or replacing GRUB
[16:12] <holstein> whatever you want to call it
[16:13] <oliver659756> oliver@computer:~$ sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdX
[16:13] <oliver659756> [sudo] password for oliver:
[16:13] <oliver659756> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `/dev/sdX'.
[16:14] <duanedesign> ok
[16:14] <duanedesign> you replace the X with what is appropriatte for your computer
[16:15] <duanedesign> if you know which partition your Windows is on
[16:15] <duanedesign> otherwise you can run:  sudo fdisk -l
[16:16] <duanedesign> you will have a line like this:
[16:16] <duanedesign> /dev/sdb2           29115       30401    10333184    7  HPFS/NTFS
[16:17] <oliver659756> warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR.  This is a BAD idea..
[16:17] <oliver659756> :x
[16:17] <duanedesign> no worries
[16:18] <duanedesign> no worries
[16:18] <duanedesign> ugh
[16:18] <duanedesign> hmm
[16:19] <oliver659756> should i post the result of sudo fdisk -l
[16:20] <duanedesign> can you put it in a pastebin
[16:21] <duanedesign> http://pastebin.ca/
[16:21] <oliver659756> http://pastebin.ca/2049781
[16:24] <duanedesign> ok it should be /dev/sda1
[16:24] <oliver659756> so i need to use the command sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda1
[16:24] <oliver659756> ?
[16:25] <duanedesign> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[16:25] <duanedesign> then the command:
[16:25] <oliver659756> sorry i just cleared the window
[16:25] <oliver659756> can you say the previous command
[16:25] <duanedesign> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[16:25] <duanedesign> no problem
[16:26] <duanedesign>  sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[16:26] <duanedesign> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[16:26] <duanedesign> note the second command does not have the 1
[16:27] <oliver659756> oliver@computer:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[16:27] <oliver659756> Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened.
[16:27] <oliver659756> The volume may be already mounted, or another software may use it which
[16:27] <oliver659756> could be identified for example by the help of the 'fuser' command.
[16:28] <duanedesign> oliver659756: ok, you need to boot up and run Ubuntu from the livecd
[16:29] <oliver659756> ok, what do i do once i am running ubuntu from the live cd
[16:29] <duanedesign> i think the option from the CD menu is something like  'run Ubuntu without any changes to my computer'
[16:29] <duanedesign> Open a terminal by selecting Applications, Accessories, Terminal from the menu bar.
[16:30] <duanedesign> then run the commands:
[16:30] <duanedesign> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[16:30] <duanedesign> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[16:30] <oliver659756> ok thanks
[16:30] <oliver659756> i will try those
[16:31] <oliver659756> your help is appreciated btw
[16:31] <duanedesign> let us know how it goes
[16:31] <oliver659756> will do
[16:31] <oliver659756> bye bye
[16:48] <Unguided> Hello All. Does anyone know if you can install logical volume manager on the desktop installation of ubuntu?
[16:49] <Elric58> Greetings.  Just installed Server 10.10.  Want to connect to a dev server elsewhere via SSH and Tunnels.  Anyone have a clue how I can do this?
[16:58] <bioterror> Unguided, sure you can use LVM
[16:58] <bioterror> !lvm | Unguided
[16:58] <ubot2> Unguided: Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[16:58] <Unguided> Okay. Thanks
[17:12] <Unguided> !lvm
[17:12] <ubot2> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[17:27] <duanedesign> Elric58: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[18:45] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[18:45] <kristian-aalborg> would it be waaaay to much work to install on one hdd, then move it to another box=
[18:45] <kristian-aalborg> ?
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Move the hard drive?
[18:48] <charlie-tca> I have done that and it worked well, but I don't have wireless either
[18:48] <charlie-tca> It gets confused by the video if you install the hardware driver and they are different (mine was nVidia to ATI)
[18:50] <kristian-aalborg> hi charlie-tca
[18:51] <kristian-aalborg> I plan on making the simplest install I can - no special drivers etc - then move it back and act like nothing happened
[18:52] <kristian-aalborg> but yeah, no wifi...
[18:52] <kristian-aalborg> can I plug the no-internet box to one with wifi and share it?
[18:53] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I am really not good with wifi at all
[18:53] <charlie-tca> it works or it don't. I can't seem to get farther than that
[18:53] <charlie-tca> where's holstein? He knows that stuff well
[18:54] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: ping
[18:54] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[19:06] <Elric58> thanks, duanedesign.
[19:26] <stlsaint> Elric58: poke
[19:27] <stlsaint> i saw the question on ssh, wondering if you got it resolved
[19:27] <Elric58> Well, I haven't tried it just yet.
[19:27] <Elric58> [12:27]	duanedesign	Elric58: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[19:27] <Elric58> I am reading up on it right now.
[19:28] <Elric58> Do you have a solution or are you looking to do the same thing as I am?
[19:29] <Elric58> stlsaint: My next issue with connecting to the dev server from my server is that the SSH connection is using public/private keys and not passwords.
[19:32] <seidos> that's funny, i just switched from passwords to keys on my server recently
[19:33] <stlsaint> Elric58: I love keys ;)
[19:33] <stlsaint> best authentication for ssh
[19:33] <Elric58> I agree.  I already have a key that I use on my netbook to connect.
[19:33] <stlsaint> Elric58: after your server gets attacked a good amount you will appreciate keys as well
[19:34] <Elric58> My question now is how to do it from my server.
[19:34] <stlsaint> Elric58: you want to connect to your server using ssh w/keys?
[19:34] <Elric58> I want to connect my server to the dev server with the code on it.
[19:35] <Elric58> Not sure if I need to, but I am trying to get a copy of the code onto my server.
[19:35] <stlsaint> hrm, what dev server are you talking about?
[19:35] <Elric58> It's for a game I am helping with.
[19:36] <stlsaint> so you want to use your server as part of another server for a game?
[19:36] <Elric58> Like I said, I am not sure I even need to do this.  I am very new to this whole deal.  Let's see if I can explain...
[19:37] <Elric58> There is a dev server for the game.  I can connect to it from my netbook and have full access to the code.
[19:37] <Elric58> I would like to be able to test things on my own server (which I just installed and have really no clue to what I am doing yet).
[19:38] <stlsaint> Elric58: alright so pull the code and put it on your own server
[19:38] <Elric58> So I guess that I really need to figure out how to connect to my own server from my netbook.
[19:38] <Elric58> Let me ask this, while I have your ear...
[19:39] <Elric58> Do you know how to connect with SSH and a tunnel from a Mac?
[19:40] <Elric58> On a PC it is easy with PuTTY
[19:40] <stlsaint> Elric58: i dont use a mac but the concept is still the same, now when you say ssh AND a tunnel it sounds like ssh via vpn. Is that what you are referring to?
[19:41] <stlsaint> Elric58: so you have a key set already made on your MAC?
[19:41] <stlsaint> Elric58: if so than you can just upload that key to your ~./ssh (or whatever name you will be on server, IE: /home/stlsaint/.ssh
[19:42] <stlsaint> sorry.......
[19:42] <stlsaint> /home/stlsaint/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server
[19:42] <stlsaint> Elric58: thats AFTER you install openssh on your server: sudo apt-get openssh-server
[19:42] <stlsaint> lol, FAIL
[19:43] <stlsaint> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[19:43] <stlsaint> (thats if you want to use openssh, though i HIGHLY recommend you do)
[19:43] <stlsaint> Elric58: you with me buddy?
[19:44] <Elric58> I am the poster child for the 'beginners' name of this channel!!  XD
[19:44] <Elric58> I am reading as you type.
[19:44] <stlsaint> =)
[19:44] <Elric58> Didn't want to spoil your flow.
[19:45] <stlsaint> no point in flowing if your not following ;)
[19:45] <Elric58> Who knew that 9+ years of sys admin work wouldn't help me at all with this stuff!!
[19:45] <stlsaint> ha, had i not run my in house server farm i wouldnt know this mess either, at one point i had to get some serious one-on-one time with my last mentor
[19:46] <Elric58> When I setup the ssh connection with PuTTY, there is a way to set up a tunnel.  I am assuming it is much like a vpn.
[19:46] <stlsaint> Elric58: truly there is no need unless you are trying to access a inside network, from a untrusted one
[19:46] <stlsaint> no need for vpn
[19:47] <stlsaint> you go trying to tunnel vpn's and ssh your just gonna get a slower connection, safe as hell, but slower
[19:47] <Elric58> Accessing the dev server, I have no choice since that's the way the lead dev wants it done.
[19:47] <stlsaint> BAH
[19:48] <stlsaint> tell him stlsaint said screw his tunnel ;)
[19:48] <Elric58> I think the tunnel might be more than just a vpn, but I am not positive on that.
[19:48] <Elric58> XD
[19:48] <stlsaint> what do you mean by tunnel? ssh encrypts everything from the connection to the data traveling thru it so what more is he asking for?
[19:49] <Elric58> Once I make the connection, I open up a browser window and connect to localhost with my tunnel source port and it's like I have my own version of the source to work on.
[19:50] <Elric58> You'll have to look this stuff up to get a good explanation.  I'm kind of guessing here.  It's an option in PuTTY.
[19:50] <Elric58> The lead dev helped me set it up and it's what he wants.
[19:51] <stlsaint> ok i get ya, so what is it that you are wanting to do with your server?
[19:51] <seidos> ssh and encapsulation?  Mein got, who do you work for, the NSA?
[19:51] <stlsaint> seidos: yep yep
[19:51] <stlsaint> seems to be that way
[19:51] <Elric58> I'm just wanting to use it to test any changes and stuff I do to the code before dumping it back to the dev server.
[19:52] <stlsaint> Elric58: ok, now is this source code hosted somewhere you can pull from, launchpad, github, etc etc
[19:52] <Elric58> It's a new game in the works and it is currently hosted on a not-so-private web server.
[19:53] <stlsaint> alright well tell the dev to send you the source or pull it from the server and put it on yours, like i said most config files should be the same minus all the networking stuff
[19:53] <Elric58> Not sure, stlsaint.
[19:54] <Elric58> Well, this has gone WAY beyond my original question, which is a good thing (I think).  XD
[19:54] <stlsaint> Elric58: yea i was just about to say, im not trying to be a jerk but im not seeing where the issue lies
[19:54] <Elric58> Last night was the first time I have even seen a Linux server, never mind worked with one.
[19:54] <stlsaint> Elric58: isnt it just great :D
[19:55] <Elric58> The issue is I don't really know what I am doing or what I need to be doing.
[19:55] <stlsaint> i worked with win server 2003/08 and even though they have roles which is great i still prefer a config file
[19:55] <Elric58> Just kind of pissing in the wind here!!  XD
[19:55] <stlsaint> Elric58: pm? (private message)
[19:55] <Elric58> sure
[19:59] <stlsaint> security security security :D
[20:00] <stlsaint> i do love a new server user :D
[20:00] <stlsaint> mind is like a sponge ready to soak everything up
[20:12] <martin__> complete rookie needs help...just installed ubuntu 10.10 on a Fujitsu Siemens laptop...went like a dream but max resolution is only 800x600. how can i increase it
[20:16] <stlsaint> martin__: you will probably need to install another driver or edit your xorg.conf
[20:17] <stlsaint> martin__: does 800x600 not the size to fit your screen?
[20:21] <martin__> does fit whole screen but everything seems "large" if that makes sense
[20:22] <stlsaint> screenshot?
[20:23] <Elric58> stlsaint: I be back.
[20:24] <stlsaint> welcome
[20:45] <UbuntuN00b> hey all i was trying to fix hibernate in ubuntu
[20:45] <UbuntuN00b> by installing uswsusp
[20:45] <UbuntuN00b> but it didn't work
[20:45] <UbuntuN00b> now i'm trying to uninstall it through terminal
[20:45] <UbuntuN00b> i used apt-get remove uswsusp
[20:46] <UbuntuN00b> but ut gave me : E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[20:46] <UbuntuN00b> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[20:46] <UbuntuN00b> any idea what i should be doing
[20:46] <UbuntuN00b> or is it because i didn't put sudo?
[20:46] <UbuntuN00b> before the original command
[20:46] <smeag0l> yes
[20:46] <smeag0l> maybe
[20:47] <stlsaint> UbuntuN00b: close the synaptic package manger you have open then run command again
[20:47] <smeag0l> UbuntuN00b,
[20:47] <UbuntuN00b> synaptic package manager?
[20:47] <stlsaint> oh yea you also need sudo
[20:47] <stlsaint> UbuntuN00b: sudo infront of the command
[20:48] <stlsaint> ssshhhh there is zach
[20:48] <UbuntuN00b> ahh okay looks like it is working
[20:48] <UbuntuN00b> thanks all
[20:48] <stlsaint> UbuntuN00b: you dont know what synaptic is?
[20:48] <UbuntuN00b> nope
[20:48] <UbuntuN00b> hence the n00b
[20:49] <stlsaint> UbuntuN00b: look in your system tab menu for it
[20:49] <stlsaint> UbuntuN00b: synaptic is the frontend to apt
[20:49] <UbuntuN00b> apt?
[20:49] <stlsaint> UbuntuN00b: it gives you a graphical way to see all application installed and all that are in the repository
[20:49] <stlsaint> UbuntuN00b: :|
[20:49] <UbuntuN00b> oh you mean the software centre
[20:49] <UbuntuN00b> it wasn't open
[20:49] <UbuntuN00b> its called synaptic then
[20:50] <stlsaint> UbuntuN00b: oh yea, sorry about that, i still prefer synaptic
[20:50] <UbuntuN00b> kk
[20:50] <stlsaint> yes the software center
[20:50] <UbuntuN00b> good to know :)
[20:51] <stlsaint> aye
[20:51] <stlsaint> have fun welcome to Ubuntu!! :D
[20:51] <UbuntuN00b> haha i have been
[20:54] <kristian-aalborg> hi, please help me in this scenario: I'm installing (L)Ubuntu for somebody who's best at vietnamese... this is a danish pc w/ danish keyboard... I'd like the Luser to have to most comfortable setup o/c, but I can only do support in danish or english... what's the clever way around this?
[20:54] <UbuntuN00b> i don't suppose anyone here is running ubuntu desktop on an aspire netbook and has been able to make hibernate work properly
[20:57] <seidos> suspend is so low power, i find i never use hibernate anymore
[20:57] <UbuntuN00b> is there viet. support videos on youtube? or can you remote in and just show them visually how to do thigs?
[20:57] <UbuntuN00b> ahh ok
[20:58] <seidos> i think it uses like 1 or 2 watts, which i think is worth the speed advantage
[20:58] <UbuntuN00b> its not a huge deal in either case, just suspends runs hotter so i don't like to transport when its like that
[20:59] <UbuntuN00b> hibernate (at least on my other laptop) runs cool
[20:59] <seidos> find someone that speaks vietnamese?  unless you want to learn vietnamese
[20:59] <seidos> suspend runs hot?  that doesn't sound right
[20:59] <seidos> suspend runs cool on my laptop
[21:00] <seidos> are you sure it isn't just taking time to cool off after use?
[21:00] <UbuntuN00b> yeah but if you throw it in a laptop case for a bit it gets hot quick
[21:00] <UbuntuN00b> where hibernate basically shuts the laptop off
[21:00] <seidos> yeah, that is a mystery to me
[21:01] <seidos> i don't see how 2 watts would cause an increase in temperature
[21:01] <seidos> i guess because it's a netbook?
[21:01] <UbuntuN00b> it may notbe working properyl... ubuntu and suspend/hibernate and netbooks it touch and go
[21:01] <UbuntuN00b> yeah its a netbook
[21:01] <seidos> well, i'm not sure if there is something you can do about the acpi software
[21:02] <UbuntuN00b> yeah its not a huge deal. i look into it some  more lots of threads about it
[21:03] <seidos> perhaps it's a bios setting
[21:06] <UbuntuN00b> hmmm possibly but even if it was there no option. netbook bios are pretty limited in options
[21:20] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: you there?
[21:51] <saras> need help with chown
[21:51] <duanedesign> hello
[21:51] <saras> what up m8
[21:52] <saras> how do i change the perseission of a new formated ext drive
[21:53] <saras> sudo chown "user" "drive" right
[21:53] <saras> oh how should i put that drive part in their
[21:55] <duanedesign> it is...
[21:56] <duanedesign> yes that is right if you are only changing the owner and not the group
[21:56] <saras> sudo chown -R saras.saras '/media/mine' i tried this why did it not work
[21:57] <saras> that the mount point and the volume is named mine
[21:57] <duanedesign> saras:saras
[21:59] <saras> i tried no work
[22:00] <duanedesign> sudo chown -R saras:saras /media/mine
[22:00] <duanedesign> did not work
[22:00] <saras> nope it didn't
[22:02] <saras> wtf it did
[22:04] <duanedesign> might also want to do:  sudo chmod -R 755 /media/mine
[22:05] <saras> i got m8
[22:05] <saras> i did it in the gui
[22:05] <duanedesign> nice!
[22:06] <duanedesign> saras: this is a great Ubuntu wiki page to boomark FWIW https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[22:07] <duanedesign> s/boomark/bookmark
[22:07] <saras> bye the way someone to add the chown to gparted
[22:07] <saras> i forgot the add it their
[22:07] <saras> need
[22:08] <saras> ps any smart about icc profiles
[22:10] <saras> thanks duanedesign
[22:12] <duanedesign> your very welcome
[23:06] <hoss> Need help getting Aspire One built-in mic to show up in Sound Preferences.
[23:33] <duanedesign> hoss: what version of Ubuntu?
[23:41] <duanedesign> hoss: might check and see if any of this is helpful https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne
[23:57] <Average_Guy> can anyone HERE tell me how to get the the drivers nessessary to enable wireless WITHOUT an ethernet connection - ie. connect to a public network using windoze to get what I need and then make it work in linux?
[23:59] <hoss> Thanks, I will check it out and I am running 10.109
[23:59] <hoss> 10.10


[12:01] <raub> Stupid question: I am getting similar PCI resource allocation issues as shown in https://askubuntu.com/questions/967223/running-into-pci-resource-allocation-issues-17-10-kernel-4-13-0-16-generic-64bit. I tried playing with the pci option in grub as suggested and so far have not much luck.
[12:02] <raub> How can I figure out how much hpmesize and hpbussize (assuming that is all I need)? Honestly I feel like I need to learn a bit more on that
[21:51] <teward> cpaelzer: for the broken nginx Lua modules in the existing releases, community-powered SRU is the only solution.  Per rbasak:
[21:51] <teward> "However, in Focal and Groovy, the libnginx-mod-http-lua is in universe, and depends on community support. I therefore don't expect it to be prioritised by the Ubuntu Server Team. If you need this package fixed and can volunteer to provide the necessary fix in line with Ubuntu policy and drive it through Ubuntu's QA process, then we'd welcome your help."
[21:52] <teward> comment 7 on the Lua is broken bug. (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1893753)
[21:52] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1893753 in nginx (Ubuntu Groovy) "libnginx-mod-http-lua 0.10.11 not compatible with NGINX 1.18/1.17" [Undecided, Triaged]
[21:52] <teward> so that's a Universe fix.
[21:52] <teward> if i get spare cycles I'll do it
[21:52] <teward> but none of us have spare cycles nowadays :p


[00:00] <giovani> you can try
[00:00] <giovani> no guarantees
[00:05] <danny1> seems like it works phew
[00:11] <sebblucas> Question: what is the best (and supported) remote administration software for an Ubuntu server? Similiar to Webmin?
[00:13] <giovani> we went over this
[00:13] <giovani> ebox
[00:14] <giovani> !ebox
[00:14] <sebblucas> sorry giovani
[00:14] <sebblucas> but ebox
[00:14] <sebblucas> doesn't seem to support Apache configuration
[00:14] <sebblucas> correct me if i'm wrong
[00:15] <giovani> I believe you're wrong
[00:15] <sebblucas> ok
[00:15] <sebblucas> so,
[00:15] <sebblucas> following the instructions on the page you gave
[00:15] <sebblucas> to access ebox from a machine on the same netowkr
[00:15] <sebblucas> network*
[00:15] <sebblucas> type the IP?
[00:15] <giovani> yes ...
[00:16] <sebblucas> merci.
[00:16] <sebblucas> now,
[00:16] <sebblucas> i was discussing setting up my own domain
[00:16] <sebblucas> with a partner
[00:17] <sebblucas> and i was told most likely 2-6 people in the country i'm in know how to setup what i am requesting
[00:17] <sebblucas> and those work for latin american Microsoft
[00:17] <sebblucas> (joke, obviously) though, maybe true.
[00:17] <giovani> heh
[00:17] <giovani> ok, so?
[00:17] <sebblucas> ill repeat my request once again
[00:18] <sebblucas> and fill me in any blanks
[00:18] <sebblucas> if what im requesting is impossible
[00:18] <giovani> no ... we don't need to hear the same request again
[00:18] <giovani> I've already addressed your request
[00:18] <sebblucas> hah... sorry.
[00:18] <sebblucas> question:
[00:19] <sebblucas> do i have remote administration to BIND9 configurations using ebox/
[00:19] <giovani> no idea, read the ebox documentation
[00:19] <sebblucas> ok my mistake, there is
[00:21] <sebblucas> question: if i want to proceed as my request states, i am reinstalling ubuntu. what options should i pre-install? (DNS server, SAMBA server, Mail server, LAMP server, OpenSSH server, etc.)?
[00:22] <giovani> no need to reinstall ubuntu
[00:23] <sebblucas> if i want to start from scracth, which options to select
[00:23] <sebblucas> scratch*
[00:23] <sebblucas> (recommendations)
[00:29] <sebblucas> ...
[00:53] <danny1> heh now im stuck on boot with /init line 190: devide by zero
[00:53] <danny1> time for some sleep might help redoing it tomorrow with a fresh head ;p
[00:53] <twb> Boot with break=top or init=/bin/sh?
[01:33] <markdrago> I just want to make sure I DL the right CD.  Can I do LVM @ install time with the Server CD or do I need the alternate?
[01:36] <twb> Only the live (desktop) CDs do not support LVM and software RAID.
[01:37] <markdrago> twb: thanks!
[01:37] <twb> That is because the live CDs use stink ubiquity instead of loveable d-i.
[01:37] <markdrago> Gotcha.  So the server CD and the alternate are pretty similar.  Just default package selection differences I guess?
[01:38] <twb> markdrago: different defaults, and the packages that are ON the CD (as opposed to needing download) are different.
[01:39] <markdrago> cool - thanks again
[01:45] <cjwatson> twb: charming
[01:46] <twb> Oh, I didn't even post WHY I think ubiquity is stinky
[01:46] <Iceman_B^Ltop> where do ARP broadcasts get logged?
[01:46] <Iceman_B^Ltop> if at all
[01:46] <cjwatson> twb: does the phrase "optimised for different requirements" mean anything?
[01:46] <twb> IIRC the main reason for it was to allow different special widgets, like the tz chooser.
[01:47] <cjwatson> it's a little bit less trivial than that
[01:47] <twb> Which was especially ironic because in 8.10 the a11y was so messed up that I couldn't actually use the tz widget
[01:47] <Iceman_B^Ltop> btw, in what scenatios is a LVM handy to use ?
[01:47] <twb> cjwatson: yes, well.
[01:47] <twb> Iceman_B^Ltop: basically, all of them
[01:48] <cjwatson> twb: FYI, the timezone map was not conceived until some distance into ubiquity development. (And yes, it was a bit broken in 8.10.)
[01:48] <twb> Iceman_B^Ltop: the cases where it *isn't* useful are virtual machines, or disks that need to be accessible by other OSes.
[01:48] <twb> Iceman_B^Ltop: or very small disks, such as USB keys.
[01:49] <Iceman_B^Ltop> hm, okay. WHen I installed 8.10 I think I got the option to use an LVM, but I didnt use it
[01:50] <Iceman_B^Ltop> since I dont know what it exactly does, the only thing that comes to mind are the "extended" and "logical" partitions Windows uses
[01:51] <twb> Iceman_B^Ltop: LVM lets you add, remove, resize or move partitions (between disks) while they are in use.
[01:51] <Iceman_B^Ltop> .....crud. I think I should;ve use it then
[01:52] <twb> IOW it adds flexibility for an (IMO negligible) performance hit, though it does mean that non-Linux systems can't read your data.
[01:52] <cjwatson> LVM gives you three new objects: "physical volume" which is just something that goes on a partition to allow it to be used by the LVM system; "volume group" which is an assembly of physical volumes; "logical volume" which is an object a little bit like a partition, but it's allocated within a volume group and can be spread across disks and handled much more flexibly than traditional partitions
[01:52] <twb> Traditional MS-DOS partitions, anyway ;-P
[01:53] <Iceman_B^Ltop> it almost sounds like RAID
[01:53] <cjwatson> you have an example of a partition table type that is significantly better in this regard?
[01:54] <twb> cjwatson: I'm trying to think if AIX called its stuff "partitions" :-)
[01:54] <Iceman_B^Ltop> btw, aren't there MANY ways for non-linux systems to read data from a linux system?
[01:54] <twb> But there might be e.g. ITS or something which had such flexibility, but nobody remembers it
[01:54] <cjwatson> all of the traditional partition table formats share essentially the same limitations here. The DOS partition table format is worse in some other ways, particularly the primary vs. logical partition stuff.
[01:54] <cjwatson> twb: it called it LVM, last I checked
[01:54] <twb> Well anyway.
[03:46] <miyako> aha! finally figured out why the ssl cert won't work
[04:35] <centaur5> Is there a way to make a new netboot image since the one I'm using (from the repositories) isn't as current as the new kernel?
[04:56] <twb> The netboot's kernel doesn't need to match the installed kernel.
[07:41] <yeason> I'm trying to get cgi & perl working on an apache2 server, I keep getting a 500 error, and the log states "Premature end of script headers" which from my googling could be one of a hundred things. Can somebody give me a hand in figuring out why its doing this?
[07:42] <twb> yeason: did you look at /var/log?
[07:43] <yeason> that's in the apache2/error.log file, it says "Premature end of script headers"
[07:43] <yeason> and then gives a file name
[07:44] <yeason> I meant to say it gives the file name of the file that I attempted to run
[07:44] <yeason> lmfao... white team guy just left
[07:45] <yeason> oops... wrong window
[07:46] <twb> Sounds like the bug's in your cgi script, then
[07:47] <yeason> that's what I doubt, cause the cgi script is part of a prepackaged ecommerce setup. it was working on another server without a problem, I've been trying to spot differences in configuration but no luck yet
[07:47] <yeason> I've been reading the same conclusion in google searching
[07:47] <kraut> moin
[07:48] <twb> If the cgi script isn't part of Ubuntu, then you need to talk to the vendor that you got it from
[07:49] <yeason> that's the frustrating thing, its required that we use this stupid setup, yet it hasn't been supported as far as I can tell in several years... And it does work so I'm pretty sure its a server side issue
[07:50] <yeason> also I get that same error running any .pl file
[07:54] <twb> Ah, well, that's different, though I can't help you with cgi myself.
[07:54] <twb> I would guess that plain CGI is pretty much unused these days, and everybody prefers mod_perl or fast CGI or whatever
[07:55] <yeason> probably, also I found another error that might be of use: "(8)Exec format error: exec of 'filepath' failed"
[09:06] <lyhana8> hi, how could I change the mysql user ID correctly ?
[09:06] <lyhana8> actually I change it manually in /etc/passwd and /etc/group and now the server refuse to start
[09:07] <lyhana8> I'm trying to share a mysql DB among a gentoo and an ubunutu. User ID change and file permissions change work fine on gentoo, but not on ubuntu
[09:37] <macno> hi all. I have some questions about ntp on 8.04... which is the best way to keep time sync ?
[09:38] <macno> a brutal  ntpdate -s clock.ubuntu.com in cron.hourly  ?
[09:53] <incorrect> during installation I would like to set a grub option in my preseed file,  I've not seen any option for this, has anyone else ?
[11:02] <incorrect> when using the preseed file to pxe boot my keyboard layout has issues a # doesn't seems to get confused and come out as three diamonds
[11:13] <psteyn> Hi, I accidently replaced my /etc/mysql with my old one, but forgot about the debian.conf file in there which gets generated..how can I regenerate that file?
[11:13] <incorrect> psteyn, you can dpkg-reconfigure <package>
[11:16] <psteyn> that doesn't seem to work, I still get 'error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'
[11:16] <psteyn> because it seems to use the old pc's credentials..I wanna regenerate the new pc's credentials
[11:17] <macno> psteyn: could you access to mysql as root?
[11:19] <psteyn> yeah, but the debian.conf file has this: user     = debian-sys-maint
[11:19] <psteyn> password = zZSg3xzHiCTa3x4i
[11:19] <psteyn> what type of hash is that?  can I just use passwd on the debian-sys-maint user?  or how
[11:19] <macno> ok we need to replace debian-sys-maint
[11:20] <psteyn> what can I do?  reinstalling mysql doesn't recreate a /etc/mysql and doing dpkg-reconfigure doesnt do it either
[11:20] <macno> psteyn: it's not a hash . that is the password
[11:21] <psteyn> oh.
[11:21] <incorrect> damn you preseed file
[11:21] <psteyn> if I change the password, do I need to change it elsewhere in the system too?
[11:22] <psteyn> what else relies on debian-sys-maint in other words?
[11:22] <psteyn> ugh :<
[11:22] <incorrect> yes but i forget where
[11:22] <macno> psteyn: I suggest to change debian-sys-maint password into database with the oldone
[11:22] <incorrect> dpkg -L mysql-server-5.0 will give you a clue
[11:23] <psteyn> ok macno, I see its not a system user..is it a mysql user? or where can I change that password?
[11:25] <macno> psteyn: yes it's a mysql user, you can update mysql.user : connected as root use mysql then update user set password = Password('zZSg3xzHiCTa3x4i') where user = 'debian-sys-maint'; flush privileges;
[11:26] <psteyn> thanks :)
[11:26] <macno> psteyn: once done, try to connect mysql -u debian-sys-maint -p ;)
[11:27] <psteyn> cool.
[11:38] <psteyn> macno: it says ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected
[11:38] <macno> psteyn: use mysql
[11:38] <psteyn> but I dont want to select a database right?  this is for any mysql thing? or is there a specific db?
[11:39] <psteyn> ooh thnx
[11:39] <macno> psteyn: users, grants are stored into mysql database
[11:39] <psteyn> thanks :]
[11:40] <macno> psteyn: you're welcome
[11:40] <psteyn> *phew*...ok, next time im backing up debian.cnf before replacing the mysql folder
[11:40] <psteyn> hehe
[11:54] <cjwatson> incorrect: what keyboard preseeding are you using?
[11:55] <cjwatson> incorrect: for adding extra boot options, just put them at the end of the installer boot arguments, after the "--"; anything after "--" will automatically be copied to the installed system, unless it's one of a list of arguments that we know to be specific to the installer
[11:55] <incorrect> cjwatson, http://pastebin.com/m114b255
[11:56] <cjwatson> incorrect: you used debconf-get-selections --installer didn't you?
[11:56] <incorrect> that is from that
[11:56] <cjwatson> incorrect: you should start from the installation guide instead. debconf-get-selections --installer produces a whole bunch of things that shouldn't be preseeded.
[11:56] <incorrect> i've used both the d-i options and the non
[11:56] <cjwatson> incorrect: furthermore, the owner (the first field) should be "d-i", not "console-setup".
[11:57] <cjwatson> incorrect: that said, neither of these explain your problem. What boot parameters are you passing to the installer?
[11:57] <incorrect> http://pastebin.com/m4ee170e2
[11:57] <incorrect> i've tried this too
[11:57] <incorrect> i am now trying to do a dpkg-reconfigure on the package at the end on the install
[11:57] <cjwatson> no no no
[11:57] <cjwatson> what boot parameters are you passing to the installer?
[11:58] <incorrect> http://pastebin.com/m5eb85a01
[11:58] <cjwatson> hmm, it looks correct, but you have a *lot* of unnecessary rubbish there
[11:58] <cjwatson> might be confusing things
[11:59] <incorrect> what do you think i don't need?
[11:59] <cjwatson> first, delete *all* that console-setup stuff from your preseed file. console-setup needs to be preseeded in boot parameters anyway - the preseed file isn't processed until after keyboard configuration is done
[11:59] <cjwatson> secondly, you have debian-installer/locale=en_GB.UTF-8 and debian-installer/locale=en_GB both specified. Delete one of them, and you can abbreviate it. I'd suggest just "locale=en_GB.UTF-8"
[12:00] <cjwatson> thirdly, delete "console-tools/archs=at console-keymaps-at/keymap=gb" and "console-setup/codesetcode=Lat15 console-setup/dont_ask_layout=error"
[12:00] <cjwatson> (the first bit of that must, I think, have come from Debian documentation, or some very old Ubuntu documentation)
[12:01] <cjwatson> if that still doesn't work, then add DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer to it, and show me /var/log/installer/syslog after installation
[12:01] <incorrect> DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer do the append string?
[12:05] <cjwatson> I don't understand your question
[12:05] <incorrect> where does DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer go?
[12:05] <cjwatson> at the end of the boot parameters
[12:05] <cjwatson> or anywhere, really, as long as it's after "append" and separated by spaces from the others
[12:06] <incorrect> thanks
[12:06] <incorrect> are there docs on the installer?
[12:06] <cjwatson> don't mess about with dpkg-reconfigure though. This is perfectly doable without any of that nonsense :-) but I may need to look over the logs to see what's going wrong
[12:06] <cjwatson> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/installation-guide/i386/
[12:06] <incorrect> i am using 8.04
[12:08] <cjwatson> 8.04 instead of 8.10 then
[12:08] <incorrect> I am also trying to get partman to create a partition on sdb but i've tried a number of different ways
[12:08] <cjwatson> one thing at a time
[12:10] <incorrect> ok removing that stuff from the append has means it asks me to select a keyboard layout
[12:10] <cjwatson> did you leave console-setup/layoutcode=gb in there?
[12:11] <incorrect> ah i think i had a mistake in there
[12:11] <incorrect> now looks like ramdisk_size=14984 debian-installer/locale=en_GB.UTF-8 console-setup/layoutcode=gb netcfg/choose_interface=eth0 netcfg/dhcp_timeout=120 url=
[12:11] <cjwatson> right, that should be fine
[12:14] <incorrect> perfect!
[12:14] <incorrect> lets see if they keyboard works now
[12:37] <incorrect> and a reboot
[12:40] <incorrect> sigh they keyboard map is still broken
[12:44] <Doble> hi folks - I want to back up remote servers to one of my servers over the internet, while minimising the amount of data transferred (compression would be great!) - is rsync the best tool to do that with or is there something else?
[12:59] <andol> Doble: Regarding the transfer rsync, or something based on it, is definetly a good idea.
[12:59] <andol> Doble: Of course, you might want something more, to handle diffrent version of your backups, etc
[13:00] <andol> Doble: Rsnapshot (perl-wrapper around actual rsync) or rdiff-backup (own program, uses librsync) might be good options.
[13:01] <Doble> andol: cheers, i will do some research on those two
[13:11] <cjwatson> incorrect: ok, can I see /var/log/installer/syslog please?
[13:27] <Doble> andol: regarding rsync - I was under the impression that it performed differential/incremental backups ... what is the advantage of rdiff-backup?
[13:33] <Doble> also regarding rdiff-backup, it says that for unattended backups being run automatically require root access on the client servers, will that cause problems because ubuntu doesn't use root ?
[13:38] <mat1211> Hi, I was wondering if there was a way to keep the unrar utility running even if I don't have putty or terminal opened.
[13:40] <macno> mat1211: what's your need?
[13:51] <yann2> mat1211 > yes with screen
[13:51] <yann2> man screen
[13:51] <mat1211> ah
[14:00] <andol> Doble: Actually, the only magic rsync does is regarding the transfer itself. Without any wrap around it won't store anything else but a mirror of what it is copying.
[14:01] <andol> Doble: rdiff-backup only reguired root access if it's going to backup filed only readable by root.
[14:03] <andol> Doble: and yes, you can use the root account in Ubuntu. It is just that it doesn't come with a password set by default. Either set a root password or use an ssh-key. Regarding unattended backups the later is more or less required anyway.
[14:05] <mat1211> so just screen and then the command?
[14:06] <mat1211> to use screen.
[14:08] <mat1211> and also, is there a way to reinstall the part of ubuntu that deals with creating users? because when I type sudo adduser username, it says pam authorization failed.
[14:16] <Doble> andol: i see, thanks, im working on that now, will see how i go !
[14:17] <fujin> anyone know if it is possible to use Prevu to backport a package compiled for 32bit on a 64bit system?
[14:17] <fujin> ARCH=x86 prevu .. for example?
[14:26] <maxb> Hmm. It's certainly a feature which could conceptually be added, at least.
[14:28] <maxb> pbuilder-dist has this capability
[14:28] <maxb> And prevu is just a simplified wrapper over pbuilder
[14:29] <Doble> how do I run the cd command as root? when i try sudo cd I recieve command not found
[14:29] <mat1211> hmm, does anyone know how I can seperate my harddrive into two partitions? I use fdisk but it says no free sectors.
[14:30] <maxb> Doble: cd changes the directory of the current shell, therefore it's not something you can "run". Perhaps you want to start a shell as root? ("sudo -s")
[14:31] <Doble> maxb: thanks, the sudo -s command helped, im trying to set up remote backups while doing things the 'ubuntu' way with sudo! but its a bit of a pain hehe
[14:32] <maxb> Whenever you want to run more than a couple of single commands as root, "sudo -s" is useful.
[14:33] <Doble> maxb: how do i return to my normal user account when im finished ?
[14:33] <maxb> Exit the shell (e.g. Ctrl+D)
[14:33] <Doble> cheers
[14:33] <friartuck> Doble or just type exit
[14:36] <Doble> so to clarify, I've set up two RSA keys to allow login without a password or user account as root - i did this on my server PRODIGY, and copied the public key to another server called NOVUS, and renamed the file to authorized_keys - can I now copy the same key from PRODIGY to ANY server and have it authenticate automatically? or do i need a new key for each server ?
[14:37] <Doble> actually i just figured that out for myself - sorry, its pretty obvious! *needs sleep*
[14:37] <giovani> Doble: you use the same key, it's your public key
[14:41] <Doble> can someone explain what the . before a directory represents?
[14:42] <maxb> Doble: In what context?
[14:42] <Doble> well for example, im setting up the rsnapshot.conf and the snapshot_root is /.snapshots/ - im just wondering if the leading . means the directory will be hidden or some such ?
[14:43] <giovani> Doble: it means that the file/directory is hideen, yes
[14:43] <giovani> hidden*
[14:43] <maxb> By general Unix convention, files/dirs with a leading dot are hidden from standard directory listing tools
[14:44] <Doble> ahar, im learning, great, thanks
[14:45] <giovani> Doble: if you just run "ls" to list the contents of a directory, it won't show you hidden files/folders
[14:45] <giovani> adding "-a" will show you those ... so "ls -a" is how you'd see the hidden contents (as well as the rest) of a directory
[14:46] <Doble> giovani: yes, thanks, i am making a habit of typing "ls -l -a" :)
[14:46] <giovani> no need to do that - twice ... "ls -la" will do fine
[14:46] <Doble> ahh, cool, thanks
[14:49] <Doble> okay, next question - im setting up this rsnapshot tool, and i want to use SSH to do my backups, to keep it secure, but it wants to know where SSH is installed to ... and I have no clue, how do i find out, or where is it normally installed to?
[14:50] <mat1211> What is the hfs+ driver for ubuntu? I have a harddrive with that fs but can't mount it.
[14:50] <giovani> you can use the "which" command to find out the full path of a binary, Doble
[14:50] <giovani> Doble: so run "which ssh"
[14:50] <giovani> and it'll print the full path
[14:50] <Doble> giovani: ah brilliant, cheers!
[14:56] <cjwatson> mat1211: the kernel driver name is 'hfsplus'
[14:56] <cjwatson> mat1211: you might need to specify that explicitly ('mount -t hfsplus'); sometimes if you don't it gets mounted as hfs which sort of works but won't see most of the files
[15:10] <Doble> I have set up rsnapshot to back up a remote server and the localhost, but when I run the job, it prompts me for a password for the localhost - should I just add my public key i created to the authorized_keys file on the local host? is that a security risk ?
[15:14] <mat1211> ah, thanks.  Just one last question, when I am resizing a partition using parted, it asks me for start? and end?  Could someone please tell me what the program wants me to type in?
[15:15] <ball> mat1211: if you don't know, you shouldn't be using parted
[15:15] <mat1211> I'm not sure how else to partition my harddrive, and I couldn't find the info on google.
[15:16] <danny1> fdisk for example ?
[15:18] <mat1211> when I use fdisk it says no free sectors or something like that.
[15:19] <mat1211> cause my harddrive right now is one big partition
[15:20] <ball> mat1211: it's probably best to give Ubuntu Server its own machine, or at least it's own disk drive.
[15:20] <danny1> fdisk cant resize it as faar as i know, but you can delete the big partition and create smaller ones
[15:22] <mat1211> now it is asking for first and last cilinder
[15:23] <danny1> try the gparted live cd if you want something with gui and without those kinda technical questions
[15:23] <ball> mat1211: I like cylinders
[15:24] <maxb> I would like cylinders more if they didn't change size depending on what OS you're running
[15:24] <maxb> or sometimes depending on which partitioning tool you're using within Linux
[15:24] <mat1211> right........
[15:24] <mat1211> just a question whats command to format the hd to hfsplus, I tried mkfs.hfsplus /dev/sdc1
[15:25] <Doble> brilliant! my backups are working, thanks andol, maxb and giovani
[15:26] <danny1> heh nice in jaunty the iscsi function within the instaler requires awk, but its not included :p
[15:27] <Doble> okay, my backups worked so well, they flooded my connection and i could barely get to google, is there a way of throttling the connection?
[15:28] <danny1> trickle for example
[15:28] <mat1211> how do I make hfs+ fs on my hd?
[15:29] <danny1> mkfs -t hfsplus
[15:30] <mat1211> I did that but I did mkfs -t hfsplus /dev/sdc1, didn't work for some reason.
[15:30] <danny1> do you have the hfsplus package installed ?
[15:31] <mat1211> yep
[15:31] <Doble> danny1: cheers, trickle looks like it will do what I need, thanks
[15:32] <mat1211> the exact command I type is "mkfs -t hfsplus /dev/sdc1" and it says "No such file or directory."
[15:32] <Doble> is there a way of dynamically monitoring network throughput? I've tried htop but it appears to not have that functionality
[15:33] <yann2> iftop
[15:34] <Doble> yann2: excellent, thanks
[15:39] <danny1> mat1211 i guess you need to compile it yourself then if ther ubuntu package doesn't include that binary
[15:39] <Lartza_> What is the major difference of server cd's regular and minimal installs?
[15:40] <Lartza_> *main difference
[15:40] <ivoks> kernel
[15:40] <ball> Minimal install lacks the dancing ladies
[15:41] <Lartza_> Nonono I don't think kernel
[15:41] <Lartza_> I mean regular server install and minimal server install
[15:41] <Lartza_> THey both propably have server kernel still
[15:41] <Lartza_> Or you mean minimal misses headers or something?
[15:42] <Lartza_> I am really trying to find otu what should I use
[15:42] <ivoks> what's regular and what's minimal server install?
[15:43] <cjwatson> mat1211: it accepts several formats - e.g. you can say "2000M" for 2000 megabytes
[15:43] <Lartza_> If you boot server cd and press F4 there is options of install, regular, minimal, or minimal for virtual machine
[15:43] <ivoks> oh, i was totally unaware of that :)
[15:43] <Doble> ivoks: pretty sure its new in 8.10 (at least the virtual bit)
[15:44] <cjwatson> danny1: iscsi> score. please file a bug
[15:44] <mat1211> okay, thanks for all your help.
[15:44] <Doble> lartza_: it depends what you are using your server for .. if you arent sure, id say to use the regular install, that should cover all the bases.
[15:45] <ivoks> Lartza_: what ever you choose, none of them will install services by default; but i don't know what's different :/
[15:45] <ivoks> and i should know stuff like that :)
[15:45] <cjwatson> Lartza_: minimal doesn't install the server task (which contains patch, screen, landscape-common, vim, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant, w3m, ubuntu-serverguide in jaunty)
[15:45] <cjwatson> so it's a bit smaller, but that's the only difference
[15:46] <cjwatson> they're the same kernel
[15:46] <ivoks> oh... so that's the former standard server install
[15:46] <cjwatson> right
[15:46] <ivoks> great
[15:46] <cjwatson> minimalvm also doesn't install the standard task, and it doesn't use LVM by default
[15:47] <Lartza_> Thanks
[15:51] <cjwatson> danny1: and please tell me the bug number so I can mark it release-critical
[16:08] <Doble> I want to control the bandwidth that my rsnapshot uses when backing up my remote server, but when I just put trickle in front of the rsnapshot command, it doesn't work, where could I insert the trickle command ?
[16:18] <orudie> ivoks !
[16:19] <ivoks> ?
[16:19] <Doble> when i try running "sudo trickle -d 50 rsnapshot daily" I get the following error: "ERROR: /usr/bin/rsync returned 255 while processing root@123.456.789.123:/home/ftpusers/ touch /srv/backup/daily.0/" - how can I get the trickle command to work with rsnapshot?
[16:35] <MagicFab> why do we have /etc/ldap.conf /etc/ldap/ldap.conf
[16:35] <ivoks> they are not the same
[16:35] <ivoks>  /etc/ldap/ldap.conf is for ldap library
[16:35] <ivoks> and /etc/ldap.conf is for pam-ldap, iirc
[16:36] <MagicFab> ivok could you elaborate ldap library
[16:36] <ivoks> but, true, it is confusing
[16:36] <ivoks> MagicFab: libldap-2.4-2
[16:36] <MagicFab> are we changing anything about it or will it stay like that ?
[16:37] <ivoks> we won't change anything now
[16:37] <ivoks> every app compiled with ldap support checks /etc/ldap/ldap.conf
[16:37] <ivoks> to see if there are something it should know before starting a query
[16:37] <ivoks> like, what to do if certificate is unknown
[16:38] <ivoks>  /etc/ldap.conf on the other hand is something totally different
[16:38] <ivoks> it's for user authentication, IIRC
[16:39] <MagicFab> ivoks, rocks. I am giving training for server live :)
[16:39] <MagicFab> excellent response time :D
[16:39] <MagicFab> + karm for you
[16:40] <ivoks> hehe
[16:40] <MagicFab> ivoks what's the difference between ldap:/// ldaps:/// ldapi:/// ?
[16:40] <MagicFab> 1) plain text
[16:40] <MagicFab> 2) SSL
[16:40] <MagicFab> and 3 is...?
[16:40] <ivoks> lol
[16:41] <ivoks> ldapi is socket
[16:41] <ivoks> ldapi://var/run/ldap.socket
[16:45] <ogelami> hi, when my php tries to write a file i get "permission denied" in response, how should i solve this problem?
[16:46] <ogelami> chmod -r 777?
[16:46] <ivoks> that's bad way to do it
[16:46] <ogelami> so?
[16:46] <ivoks> best way would be to enable ACLs on filesystem
[16:46] <ivoks> and just add www-data as a user that should be able to write in that directory
[16:46] <ogelami> what is ACLs , and what does it do?
[16:47] <giovani> ogelami: Access Control Lists, it's a different way of handling permissions
[16:47] <ivoks> if that's not an option
[16:47] <ivoks> you could make www-data user as an owner of that directory
[16:47] <ogelami> oh
[16:48] <ivoks> and never put enything valuable there :)
[16:48] <ivoks> anything
[16:48] <ivoks> i doubt valuable is correct spelling
[16:49] <ivoks> heh it is :)
[16:49] <p_quarles> ivoks: yeah, "valuable" is correct
[16:49] <ogelami> okay, so let's just say that i want my /etc/www/grab to be writable from php?
[16:50] <ivoks>  /etc is configuration directory, don't put anything thats changing in there
[16:50] <ivoks> that's what /var is for
[16:51] <ogelami> haha, sorry , i meant
[16:51] <ivoks> but anyway, sudo chown www-data:www-data /your/directory
[16:51] <ogelami> var
[16:52] <Doble> is it correct that my crontab is saved to "/tmp/crontab.jDHAns/crontab" ?
[16:52] <ivoks> Doble: crontab -e?
[16:52] <ogelami> does that gives full permission to the subdirs in the directory i choose?
[16:53] <ivoks> ogelami: no, only the parent
[16:53] <ivoks> ogelami: add -R to do it for all files and dirs in it
[16:53] <Doble> ivoks: yes, i want to run my backups using rsnapshot, so I added it to the crontab, but now im thinking that because im logged in as myself and not as root, that the command wont execute properly, is crontab user-specific ?
[16:53] <ogelami> oh ok ty,
[16:53] <giovani> Doble: yes, crontab is user-specific
[16:54] <giovani> and that /tmp file is where the crontab is temp stored until it's written
[16:54] <ivoks> Doble: that's ok, crontab -e saves to temporary file and then moves it into /var/spool/crontab/username
[16:54] <ogelami> thank you, now it's working
[16:54] <ivoks> if tar added support for ACL, karmic *should* have it
[16:54] <Doble> okay, should I create the entry for my backups in root's crontab? or is there another way ?
[16:55] <ivoks> Doble: don't do anything as root, unless you really have to
[16:55] <giovani> Doble: do you need/want your backup to be executed with root permissions?
[16:56] <Doble> yes, the rsnapshot needs to be run as root or it can't write to the lockfile
[16:56] <ivoks> grrr... they still haven't accepted the patch
[16:56] <ogelami> since i did that, i cannot controll my php files manualy from my ubuntu account -.-
[16:56] <giovani> ogelami: correct
[16:56] <giovani> this is why ACLs are used
[16:57] <ogelami> hm
[16:57] <giovani> I didn't follow your entire conversation, but you might be able to do youruser:www-data
[16:57] <ogelami> i want www-data, ogelami and root can acces,a
[16:57] <ivoks> when people write php applications, they choose one direcotry where web server should be able to write files
[16:57] <giovani> root always has access
[16:57] <ogelami> yea
[16:57] <giovani> ogelami: you can do youruser:www-data
[16:58] <giovani> so that your user still owns the dir, and www-data can be given group permissions to do so as well
[16:58] <ivoks> right, and make it 0775
[16:58] <J_P> hi all
[16:58] <ogelami> yea thank you
[16:59] <ogelami> now i can edit and write from www-data
[16:59] <J_P> peple, I install ubuntu 8.10 server, and after I need Grafical interface only to use firefox. So I install apt-get install xorg icewm. But after I did startx command, mouse not works. I try ps2 and usb mouse
[16:59] <giovani> J_P: GUIs aren't supported on ubuntu server
[16:59] <J_P> what file I can change to try solve that ?
[16:59] <ogelami> nope i was wrong -.-, i can edit from my ubuntu account but not from www-data.
[17:00] <J_P> giovani: You mean, aren't supported by ubuntu or in this channel ?
[17:00] <giovani> J_P: both
[17:00] <ogelami> i want full permission from my ubuntu account, and read/write/append for my www-data.
[17:00] <giovani> ogelami: then you didn't apply 0775 permissions
[17:00] <J_P> giovani: ok, I will try in #ubuntu. thanks
[17:00] <ogelami> how do i apply 0775 ?
[17:00] <giovani> ogelami: sudo chmod 0755 /path/to/dir/
[17:01] <giovani> and you'll need to add -R there if you want to apply that to all subsequent files/folders
[17:01] <ogelami> thank you giovani
[17:02] <giovani> in the future, ogelami, if you don't know how to follow an instruction ... just ask, rather than ignoring it, and claiming the instructions didn't work
[17:05] <ogelami> now I'm not able to append the file my php wrote.
[17:06] <ivoks> fix your php code
[17:06]  * ball doesn't like php
[17:06] <ivoks> tell it to create 664 file
[17:07] <ivoks> without ACL you'll have a hard time getting this into what you want
[17:07] <ogelami> I'm a noob when it comes to linux, i don't know how to do that
[17:07] <ivoks> with ACL you can just tell it that every file created in that dir can be rw by your user
[17:08] <ivoks> and whatever PHP does, it can't change that and both you and your php application would be happy :)
[17:09] <ivoks> enabling acl is easy
[17:09] <ivoks> remount your filesystem with acl option
[17:09] <ivoks> install acl package
[17:09] <Doble> should I use ACL on a samba file server serving windows clients? I was having some trouble with permissions before with multiple users ... when a user created a file, only he could delete/edit that file, even if another user that was part of the same group attempted to edit it
[17:10] <ivoks> Doble: samba has better ways to solve this
[17:10] <Doble> i got around it by forcing everyone to be admin in the samba smb.conf
[17:10] <ivoks> Doble: force user and force group
[17:10] <Doble> i see
[17:10] <ivoks> Doble: you can set it up like 'force user = nobody ; force group = nogroup'
[17:10] <ivoks> Doble: add valid users = jim carry pamela anderson
[17:10] <ivoks> Doble: and that's it
[17:11] <Doble> hmm, I see
[17:11] <ivoks> they all can access it, write it and stuff, but on the filesystem level, it will be owned by nobody:nogroup
[17:11] <Doble> yeah, let me give you a scenario and maybe you can tell me if this will work ...
[17:12] <Doble> Lets say I have a Samba file server set up in a small business with 5 users, running windows pcs. I want each user to have an account on the server, and I want the users to be divided into three groups, Staff, Admin, and Executive. There should be one primary file share, within which there are directories. Only certain staff should have access to certain directories, but it should be additive, eg: executives have access to both admin and
[17:13] <Doble> once inside the directory, everyone should be able to do everything
[17:13] <Doble> if that makes sense :)
[17:13] <ivoks> i understand what you are up to
[17:14] <ivoks> you can do that with ACL, of crouse, but you could also setup couple of shares
[17:14] <ivoks> you can even do that without acl
[17:14] <ivoks> make top directory rw by public group
[17:15] <ivoks> under it is staff directory, rw by staff group
[17:15] <ivoks> next to it is admin directory, rw by admin group
[17:15] <ivoks> add admin users in public, staff and admin group
[17:15] <ivoks> staff users in public and staff
[17:15] <ivoks> public users only in public
[17:15] <Doble> thats not bad
[17:15] <ivoks> hm...
[17:16] <ivoks> but it has a flaw :(
[17:16] <ivoks> i just realized it
[17:16] <Doble> ?
[17:16] <ivoks> if admin users writes something in public directory
[17:16] <ivoks> it will be owned by admin group
[17:16] <Doble> what if you force everyone to nobody.nogroup ?
[17:16] <ivoks> and public users won't be able to see what's in that file
[17:16] <ivoks> then you  don't have groups :)
[17:17] <Doble> but you have set the permissions on the primary directories already
[17:17] <Doble> they act like gates, and only let in the right users, but once inside, its a free-for-all
[17:17] <ivoks> that's right, and when your admin user tries to write, it will try to write there as nobody:nogroup
[17:17] <ivoks> and fail
[17:17] <Doble> ah, i see
[17:18] <ivoks> acl is the way to go
[17:18] <Doble> well, id like to do it without multiple shares because they require multiple drive mappings to the user's computers, and ideally I'd like just one 'share' with access then controlled by permissions. it also simplifies user management, for example, if a new staff member joins, i just add them to the 'staff' group and it sorts itself out - i do the same on my windows network at work
[17:19] <ivoks> cjwatson: would it be too bad to include support for acl in tar, even though gnu tar is still considering correct aproach, and might do it differently? :)
[17:20] <cjwatson> sounds like an excellent way to create future incompatibilities
[17:20] <ivoks> right
[17:20] <cjwatson> we had this pain when they changed the bzip2 option name
[17:21] <ivoks> fwiw, they are considering the patch i've sent to debian maintainer
[17:21] <ivoks> it's based on what redhat has done for their tar
[17:21] <ivoks> they even added some fixes to it :)
[17:22] <ivoks> let's wait and see
[17:24] <Doble> hmm, my crontab doesn't seem to be working, I added "20 2 * * * /usr/local/bin/rsnapshot daily
[17:24] <Doble> " to root's crontab, to get the job to run at 2:20am every day ... and it just crossed over 2:20am and it hasn't run, any ideas ?
[17:25] <ivoks> check your mail
[17:25] <Doble> how do i do that? i dont think i've set up an email address for root yet
[17:26] <ivoks> check /etc/aliases to see where root mail goes to
[17:26] <ivoks> and then /var/mail :)
[17:26] <Doble> i don't have a /etc/aliases
[17:27] <Doble> should I ceate one ?
[17:27] <cjwatson> Doble: root's crontab, or /etc/crontab?
[17:27] <Doble> root's crontab
[17:27] <cjwatson> ok
[17:28] <ivoks> no, don't create one
[17:28] <ivoks> check /var/log/syslog
[17:29] <ivoks> it should have an info about crontab job
[17:30] <Doble> it does, it just says - Apr  9 02:26:01 prodigy /USR/SBIN/CRON[18701]: (root) CMD (/usr/local/bin/rsnapshot daily )
[17:30] <Doble> so im guessing it ran ?
[17:30] <ivoks> yes, it did
[17:31] <ivoks> now, what's the outcome, we can only guess :)
[17:31] <ivoks> add 1> /tmp/crontab.stdout 2> /tmp/crontab.stderr
[17:31] <ivoks> so...:
[17:31] <ivoks> 20 2 * * * /usr/local/bin/rsnapshot daily 1> /tmp/crontab.stdout 2> /tmp/crontab.stderr
[17:32] <ivoks> fix the time, to 35 2
[17:32] <ivoks> and wait for it to run again
[17:32] <Doble> actually, im one ahead of you - i just turned on logging in the rsnapshot.conf file :)
[17:32] <Doble> it should log to /var/log
[17:32] <ivoks> well, that doesn't do what i planed... but ok
[17:33] <Doble> ah, sorry, thought i was being clever
[17:33] <ivoks> :)
[17:33] <ivoks> maybe this way will work too
[17:35] <Doble> hmm, it didnt create a log file
[17:36] <Doble> if i run the command manually, it logs it in /var/log like it should
[17:36] <Doble> so i guess that crontab isn't running the command
[17:37] <ivoks> it is
[17:37] <ivoks> you've seen the logs
[17:37] <ivoks> maybe rsnapshot needs some env variables?
[17:38] <Doble> hmm doesnt seem so
[17:39] <Doble> im following this guide - http://rsnapshot.org/howto/1.2/rsnapshot-HOWTO.en.html#automation
[17:39] <ivoks> add those 1> and 2>
[17:39] <Doble> ok
[17:39] <ivoks> and try again
[17:40] <Doble> ok done, is it okay to set the crontab just one minute ahead of time? ie the date shows "02:40:10" so I set it to 2 41
[17:41] <Doble> nevermind of course it is, because its working ... we checked that already
[17:41] <Doble> aha,
[17:41] <Doble> bin/sh: /usr/local/bin/rsnapshot: not found
[17:42] <ivoks> there you go :)
[17:42] <ivoks> which rsnapshot
[17:42] <Doble> rsnapshot is actually in /usr/bin/rsnapshot whoops !
[17:43] <Doble> that'll teach me to blindly copy/paste from guides :) cheers
[17:44] <Doble> brilliant, it's working now, thanks ivoks
[17:45] <ivoks> np
[17:48] <Doble> haha, this 'hard links' stuff is crazy ... coming from a windows environ, the idea that I've made four backups of about 30mb each ... but the three backups after the first are only taking up 700 bytes each on my drive! yet they appear to be full backups ... brilliant
[17:49] <ivoks> right
[17:49] <ivoks> i wasn't aware of rsnapshot, so i created my own backup system :)
[17:49] <ivoks> with the same idea
[17:51] <Doble> i still dont quite understand how the different backup sets relate to eachother - if i have a daily backup and a weekly backup, is rsnapshot smart enough to maintain hard links across the backup sets, so I only have one copy of a file at a time ?
[17:52] <cjwatson> /usr/bin/rsnapshot> in general it's best to invoke commands without an explicit path if you can, so just 'rsnapshot' rather than '/usr/bin/rsnapshot'
[17:52] <andol> Doble: there is no diffrence between a hard link an the "original" filename. Actually, any normal filename is basically a hard link. The filesystem keeps track of the data as long as there is at least one hard link pointing to it.
[17:53] <Doble> very interesting, thanks
[17:54] <olcafo> rsnapshot looks interesting. It's funny that I also created my own version of this with scripts, although this seems better because you can let the users retrieve their own stuff.
[17:55] <Doble> cjwatson: thanks, i've changed it in my crontab now
[17:55] <Doble> another question about cron and rsnapshot, what happens if one rsnapshot job is running, and another is executed while it is running? does the server just create a new process for the new rsnapshot job?
[17:58] <ivoks> that depends on rsnapshot
[17:58] <ivoks> in my system, i create temporary file, which i erase once backup is done
[17:58] <ivoks> i don't know how rsnapshot handels that
[17:59] <Doble> hmm, i know rsnapshot uses a lockfile while it's working
[17:59] <ivoks> there you go
[17:59] <ivoks> so, it won't start again if it's already running
[18:00] <ivoks> bye all
[18:02] <Doble> thanks ivoks
[18:18] <Doble> how can I get cron or rsnapshot to email me a file with the output of its job automatically ?
[18:32] <sommer> Doble: set the MAILTO=your_email option
[18:40] <Doble> sommer: where do i find that ?
[20:17] <wo0f> yo guys
[20:17] <wo0f> i have a prob...
[20:17] <wo0f> iv been running ubuntu-server
[20:17] <wo0f> and have switch to ubuntu-desktop to easily setup freeNX
[20:17] <wo0f> but
[20:18] <wo0f> the meta package for LAMP ("web server") does'nt install the same as ubuntu-server
[20:18] <giovani> it's the same package
[20:18] <giovani> server and desktop use the same repositories
[20:18] <wo0f> for instance suhosin is not installed
[20:19] <wo0f> giovani, thats what i thought
[20:19] <wo0f> but like i say, suhosin patch server is not installed :S
[20:20] <wo0f> do you think using .tasksel, rather than aptitude will make any difference?
[20:22] <giovani> what packages did you install?
[20:27] <christian_> hello
[20:28] <christian_> somebody know how download the e-mail with postfix an d dovecot in virtual mail??
[20:40] <wo0f> giovani, the meta package, web server
[20:40] <giovani> ok ... and what's the problem then?
[20:41] <wo0f> it doesnt install everything that gets installed when doing the same from ubuntu-server
[20:41] <wo0f> e.g. theres no suhosin patch server
[20:41] <orudie> !seen ivoks
[20:42] <orudie> !why?
[20:42] <orudie> !kittens
[20:42] <orudie> lol
[20:42] <wo0f> !seen banner
[20:42] <orudie> !banner
[20:43] <orudie> !wo0f
[20:43] <wo0f> !seen wo0f
[20:45] <wo0f> does the alternate cd run tasksel?
[20:45] <wo0f> i presume it must do
[20:55] <Grahzny> I just did an upgrade of a little ubuntu-server machine, from intrepid to jaunty, and it went super smooth. Just thought I'd throw that out there and smile
[20:57] <PhotoJim> good news.
[20:58] <PhotoJim> I'm tempted to upgrade my server, but I think I'll wait for release.
[20:58] <wo0f> how long is it now?
[20:58] <wo0f> 14/15 days?
[20:59] <Grahzny> Nothing wrong with waiting a couple of weeks. I upgraded my development workstation, though, so I wanted to have the same version of Django (and Python, of course) running on the server. I hope it doesn't bite me!
[21:00] <wo0f> aint this ubotto bot got a counter ?
[21:01] <wo0f> !help
[21:01] <Grahzny> Scheduled for the 23rd, so yeah, 15 days, eh
[21:02] <wo0f> !wo0f is pro
[21:02] <wo0f> :P
[21:03] <wo0f> !wo0f
[21:04] <Grahzny> He's got a regular Zombie Hoof
[21:04] <wo0f> hmm, whats that gui tool for viewing virts?
[21:04] <wo0f> gtk i seem to remember
[21:08] <Grahzny> I'm not sure what you mean by virts, so I have no clue :)
[21:31] <orudie> which command is used to copy between hosts
[21:31] <orudie> is it wcp or something like that ?
[21:31] <giovani> scp
[21:31] <orudie> thanx
[21:31] <giovani> Secure CoPy
[21:31] <orudie> s as in ?
[21:31] <orudie> ok
[21:37] <yeason> I'm not sure why but mysql seems to be listening on a random port other than 3306 even though that's what I have it set to. Does anybody have any suggestions on where I can look to figure out why this is happening?
[21:39] <yeason> hmm... nvm, it does appear to be listening to the right port, but I still can't connect. I get "access denied for user... unable to connect to database server"
[21:39] <giovani> yeason: you probably haven't set up permissions properly
[21:40] <yeason> that's the funny thing... I've setup the user, double checked the password, allowed all permissions, allowed that user all permissions to the database required, and setup the client with the correct information and I still get this error
[21:40] <giovani> probably failed to set up the proper ACL for where the user can log in from
[21:41] <yeason> I'm sorry, what is ACL?
[21:41] <giovani> read the mysql manual on setting up users
[21:41] <giovani> just because a user exists, doesn't mean it can log in from any machine
[21:41] <yeason> uh yea... I've set this user to be able to log in from anywhere
[21:42] <giovani> unlikely given the error you're getting :)
[21:42] <giovani> you've somehow not applied the permissions properly
[21:42] <giovani> because mysql works for everyone else :)
[21:42] <yeason> the user in question can log in from Hosts: Any, and has permissions: All
[21:42] <yeason> I'm looking at it through webmin
[21:43] <giovani> webmin isn't supported for ubuntu
[21:43] <giovani> so use it at your own risk
[21:43] <Nafallo> !webmin
[21:43] <Nafallo> :-)
[21:44] <yeason> huh... I find that interesting, its never really caused problems for me before
[21:44] <giovani> nobody said it will, absolutely, cause problems
[21:44] <giovani> the fact that it's unsupported means ... if it causes problems ... there won't be fixes provided
[22:00] <orudie> giovani, how do i specify ssh port for scp ?
[22:01] <giovani> orudie: read the manpage for scp
[22:01] <orudie> giovani, its -P thanx
[22:01] <orudie> anyway i'm out
[22:01] <orudie> later all
[22:06] <wo0f> !ebox
[22:06] <wo0f> will ebox actually work in the next version?
[22:09] <wo0f> or is it that they only release for LTS?
[22:18] <wo0f> jesus!
[22:18] <wo0f> thats a pretty MASSIVE bug :P
[22:31] <CoinRN> I have a Ubuntu-Server and Windows XP at my LAN-House (i don't know how it called in USA). and a buy 2 links of internet, and configured the Server to share 1 one link to same ips, and the other link to the rest... but now, when a PC stay ocious, it lose connection to network... why does it happens?
[22:33] <CoinRN> can anyone help me?
[22:38] <ball> CoinRN: is a LAN-House a remote location that hosts your equipment?
[22:39] <CoinRN> no... it's a place when normal people cames, and pay to access internet on our pcs
[22:40] <CoinRN> it's a "enterprise"
[22:40] <Vog-work> I think CoinRN might be trying to do like aggregation.
[22:40] <CoinRN> i have same PCs. people pays to acess internet in this pcs
[22:40] <CoinRN> its so popular here in Brazil
[22:40] <Vog-work> Ahh internet cafe
[22:40] <CoinRN> because people don't have money to pay internet and buy PCs
[22:40] <CoinRN> yessssssssssss
[22:41] <CoinRN> it's a Internet Cafe
[22:41] <CoinRN> =D
[22:41] <ball> link aggregation
[22:41] <CoinRN> i live in a poor state of Brazil, so the Net here is bad
[22:41] <CoinRN> the best provider of my city, provides only 1 MB =/ at max
[22:42] <CoinRN> [beawesomeinstead]: i buy 2 links of 1 MB
[22:42] <CoinRN> OMG why i cant' say so?
[22:42] <CoinRN> could i show to you my config file?
[22:43] <Vog-work> use pastebin.ca to post it and then give us the link
[22:43] <CoinRN> i configured like: these PCs will acess the INternet Link 1, and those other will acess the internet link 2
[22:43] <CoinRN> all right
[22:43] <ball> CoinRN: are both links wired?
[22:43] <CoinRN> yeah, both wired
[22:43] <ball> CoinRN: I wouldn't configure your client PCs that way.
[22:43] <CoinRN> http://paste.ubuntu.com/147232/
[22:43] <CoinRN> it's because, we have a group of 8 PCs, that makes downloads a lot
[22:44] <CoinRN> and the others, is for gamers
[22:44] <ball> CoinRN: sounds like you want traffic shaping
[22:45] <CoinRN> When the people of the group 1, start to download things, the gamers guys got crazy. So i dived, 1 MB to the guys who got downloads, and 1 MB to the guys to use normal internet and online games
[22:45] <moz_> i have a user i have just added that I wanted limited access to in my webserver, have made a directory in /var/www for it, and when I ftp in it works fine, and the user cant change directory, why is it that my other user account, can ftp in and browse my entire VPS server, im wondering what the difference is, is it expected behaviour but i dont know exactly why, can anyone help ?
[22:45] <CoinRN> well... i agree with you ball... by the way i also think that is good dived the internet in 2 parts... 1 internet for the group 1 and another one to the group 2
[22:46] <moz_> p.s. im not logging with root on the second account
[22:47] <moz_> oh actually it doesnt work , the second user can view my entire directory structure
[22:47] <CoinRN> because the guys who watch youtube and download a lot of things, need some internet speed, but must don't made other people crazy
[22:47] <moz_> how can I stop this from happening?
[22:47] <CoinRN> and these people are focced in 8 PCs
[22:47] <CoinRN> my Internet Cafe has 3 rooms... the first and second are very similiar... it's for gamers and normal people
[22:48] <CoinRN> and the third room, wich have only 8 PCs, it's private rooms... so, many people go to download things, watch Porn, etc...
[22:49] <CoinRN> anyway... it doesn't matter... my problem is... When i turn ON a PC, and it stay ocious for a long time, its lost contact to network :S
[22:49] <CoinRN> why does it happens?
[22:49] <ball> CoinRN: you're doing it wrong.
[22:50] <CoinRN> =( so, how can i do it correctly?
[22:50] <CoinRN> by Shaper? (cbq)
[22:52] <ball> I have to go, my daughter's waiting to be picked up from school
[22:52] <CoinRN> =/
[22:53] <CoinRN> Could anyone else help me?
[22:53] <Vog-work> CoinRN: I don't know what you mean by ocious
[22:54] <CoinRN> ok, i'll explain
[22:54] <CoinRN> the server is linux, but the other PCs are Windows
[22:54] <Vog-work> ok
[22:54] <CoinRN> [sommer]: we turn ON the pcs
[22:54] <CoinRN> ops
[22:55] <CoinRN> [beawesomeinstead]: we turn ON the PCs... and only it
[22:55] <CoinRN> OMGGG
[22:55] <CoinRN> -312312321 so, we turn on the pcs... and just it
[22:55] <CoinRN> if a client (person) cames, and use the PC, the computer stay normal, with internet acess
[22:55] <CoinRN> but, if the PC still turn on from a long time, and no one use it
[22:55] <Vog-work> ok
[22:56] <CoinRN> it lost the network acess
[22:56] <CoinRN> :S
[22:56] <CoinRN> i can't understand it
[22:56] <Vog-work> AH ok...
[22:57] <Vog-work> CoinRN and it you use the repair connection option in WinXP does it fix the problem?
[22:58] <cjwatson> wo0f: 357998> I find it doesn't usually pay to panic until one has actually diagnosed the bug
[22:59] <CoinRN> mm... good question. i can't try that, because the Windows PC have a software that block the PC, if there's no network acess =/ it's don't a configuration, but a bug... in the "Internet Cafe Software"
[22:59] <CoinRN> 12312321 so, i cant do it =/
[22:59] <CoinRN> ----- so, i restart the PC, and it back to work
[23:00] <CoinRN> but, it happens to in the "internet cafe manager software Server", and when i disable and renable the conection, all back to work
[23:00] <CoinRN> sorrry for terrible english, can you understand what i Said?
[23:02] <CoinRN> and this Windows PC, who have the "Internet Cafe Manager" (no, the software it's not caled this) also has a shared printer... and when its nertowks go down, the others PCs can't print anything =\
[23:03] <CoinRN> i guess that I have configured something wrong in the rc.local, because these kind of problems came after i configured the 2 internet links
[23:03] <Vog-work> Yeah I understand, I htink that this problem is on the winxp computer and not on the Ubuntu Server.
[23:03] <Vog-work> Either that or 2 computers are attempting to use one IP or one MAC address.
[23:04] <Vog-work> (I dounbt 2 computers would have the same mac address but I have seen the problems once before)
[23:04] <Vog-work> ^^ (I doubt)
[23:04] <Vog-work> stupid bot.. :)
[23:05] <CoinRN> well... so, thare is something that i can to confirm it? for be sure that the problems isn't the ubuntu server?
[23:05] <CoinRN> and thanks for the help man =D
[23:06] <CoinRN> but, did you saw my rc.local? aparently are all ok there?
[23:06] <CoinRN> because I'm really noob on linux... =/
[23:08] <CoinRN> i have linux only at this Server and at my House (i installed 1 mounth ago... Ubuntu Intrepid)


[18:21] <LargePrime> hi.  looing to install a snap of vlc.  do i need to purge first?
[18:26] <tomreyn> LargePrime: quoting the channel topic: "#ubuntu for support and discussion of Trusty-Bionic "
[18:26] <LargePrime> tomreyn, right.  on bionic.  just want to switch to a snap, and not sure what i need to do
[18:28] <LargePrime> since the ubuntu packages are always old
[19:00] <tsimonq2> LargePrime: Actually, Bionic is keeping pretty consistent with the VLC point releases, and Xenial updates are planned to.
[19:00] <tsimonq2> *too
[19:00] <tsimonq2> I wouldn't be too quick to jump ship unless you absolutely, always, need the latest.