[06:42] <shadw> i'm going to bed though, thanks guys
[06:42] <ax> vega-,chetnick: maybe this works? http://buranen.info/?p=187
[06:43] <Zippy2> snowblower: consult your $100 text book
[06:43] <lee986321> eh how do I get xine?
[06:43] <vega-> stanmancan132: well mostly people only ask when they have problems, not very common to come here and go "hey, everything works"
[06:43] <snowblower> i would
[06:43] <chetnick> stanmancan132: clean install should work fine, we had problem with upgrade
[06:43] <power78> hey does anyone here know how to enable spdif audio on my soundcard? alsa -L lists the digital out but it does not appear in my mixer..
[06:43] <snowblower> but i cant aford it
[06:43] <pheonixind> apt-get xine
[06:43] <stanmancan132> point made
[06:43] <n2diy> stanmancan132: and nobody complaining about Dapper, 6.06. ;)
[06:43] <chalcedony> stanmancan132: it's new.. everyone has to get adjusted
[06:43] <Zippy2> snowblower: consult your science/engineering library
[06:43] <vega-> stanmancan132: i have gutsy 7.10 on 4 machines with no problems
[06:43] <qwerty121> stanmancan132, i don't know what's te problem. but maybe they have the wrong configuration with the hardware
[06:44] <stanmancan132> Are there any things I should know before installing?
[06:44] <stanmancan132> Like what Desktop KDE to use?
[06:44] <Zippy2> stanmancan132: huh
[06:44] <qwerty121> stanmancan132, no it uses gnome
[06:44] <n2diy> stanmancan132: KDE is the desktop! :)
[06:44] <ax> vega-,chetnick: that worked for me... now i have proc/bus/usb/s stuf
[06:45] <stanmancan132> Sorry, noob here!
[06:45] <stanmancan132> Is KDE or Gnome the more powerful one?
[06:45] <pheonixind> Stanmancan132: Kubuntu uses KDE
[06:45] <chetnick> ax, i dont have problem with that, but thanks
[06:45] <Comrade-Sergei> why is it that when i play starcraft it says it doesnt have the cd in the drive when i mounted the iso?
[06:45] <n2diy> stanmancan132: KDE is the desktop! For Kubuntu that is, Gnome is the default for Ubuntu.
[06:45] <vega-> ax: hmm ok, good then
[06:45] <Zippy2> stanmancan132: power is what you make of it
[06:46] <lee986321> erg..waht system am I running?
[06:46] <stanmancan132> Well, which one is best for a complete linux "noob"
[06:46] <Magdin> Hi everyone, just updated my box to 7.10, all my fonts look really big now. Any suggestions?
[06:46] <Zippy2> stanmancan132: both are noob friendly
[06:46] <lee986321> eh wahts the comand line'
[06:46] <Magdin> Also when do i need Xgl for compiz?
[06:46] <pheonixind> stanmancan132: Are you a windows or mac user?
[06:46] <n2diy> stanmancan132: Gnome.
[06:46] <stanmancan132> PheonixID: Windows
[06:46] <chetnick> Magdin: welcome to the club  :)
[06:46] <pheonixind> Stanmancan132: KDE for windows, Gnome for mac users.
[06:46] <Magdin> chetnick: i'm not alone right?
[06:46] <emac_> help please
[06:47] <chetnick> no, i`v been trying to fix for 3 days
[06:47] <pheonixind> emac_ Sup?
[06:47] <Zippy2> pheonixind: i never thought of it that way  hmm
[06:47] <emac_> cant get my feisty to upgrade to gutsy :(
[06:47] <vega-> emac_: help help
 waht if he wants cube
[06:47] <Magdin> chetnick: my prev. install was nice and shiny with beryl. not its all ugly
[06:47] <emac_> hello pheonixind
[06:47] <vega-> emac_: help me!
[06:47] <power78> does anyone know how to configure digital/spdif audio?
[06:47] <emac_> hello vega-
[06:47] <pheonixind> zippy2: =)  Best way others around me describe it.
[06:47] <Zippy2> beryl wastes power. save the planet!!
[06:47] <pheonixind> lee986321: Very true. =)
[06:47] <stanmancan132> Peonix: What are the big differences between the two to decide that? Just layout?
[06:48] <pheonixind> emac_ Heyyas.  You needed help?
[06:48] <Magdin> Zippy2: and compiz doesnt work! Save me...
[06:48] <stanmancan132> Can I use KDE with Ubuntu or do I need to use Kubuntu for KDE?
[06:48] <lee986321> hmm just found out that I have no audioin put though in either mic or line in
[06:48] <Magdin> Got problem with compiz when i run it my screen blinking
[06:48] <Zippy2> Magdin: i couldnt get it to work either. its probably 1000% easier to set up since the last time i tried tho
[06:48] <vega-> stanmancan132: you can get kde afterwards also by typing sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:48] <lee986321> hmm erg oh well any how I need to know If I running64 bit or 32
[06:48] <Zippy2> lee986321: uname -a
[06:49] <pheonixind> stenmancan132 Yea, they layout is different.  Some tools are different and there are some suttle differences in the GUI's, bt mostly they do the same things
[06:49] <lee986321> why cant I remeber tht
[06:49] <emac_> im stucked with fetching files 33 of 42 if usig the update manager
[06:49] <stanmancan132> Alright.
[06:49] <emac_> yes pheonixind
[06:49] <pheonixind> stanmancan132: you can use both if you install them both..
[06:49] <Zippy2> lee986321: you dont care enough?
[06:49] <Magdin> so how do i solve this font problem?
[06:49] <pheonixind> emac_:  What help do you need?
[06:49] <emac_> im stucked with fetching files 33 of 42 if usig the update manager
[06:49] <n2diy> stanmancan132: You can use both, but if you need help with Kubuntu, you'll only find 3-400 folks in that channel, versus the 1200+ here.
[06:49] <lee986321> great I am running 64 bit
[06:49] <stanmancan132> So you guys _promise_ me that if I install Ubuntu off the cd, I'll have the option to boot to my windows partition during boot up?
[06:49] <Zippy2> eMaX_:cancel and restart
[06:50] <Zippy2> emac
[06:50] <lee986321> no wonder why I have to hack all the blarney codes
[06:50] <emac_> tried that
[06:50] <lee986321> grrr
[06:50] <Zippy2> eMaX_: apt-get clean
[06:50] <lee986321> well
[06:50] <Zippy2> emac
[06:50] <lee986321> hmm this is interesting I can now view my falsh and such lol
[06:50] <pheonixind> emac_: apt-get clean on a shell.
[06:50] <lee986321> andyou tube
[06:50] <n2diy> stanmancan132: Nobody can make such a promise, not even Windows makes one like that.
[06:50] <emac_> it just gets stucked
[06:50] <Zippy2> stanmancan132: check /boot/grub/menu.lst and make sure windows is there before you reboot
[06:51] <emac_> when i clicked cancel, it gives me tons of errors such as Failed to fetch http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-security/multiverse/i18n/Translation-en_SG.bz2
[06:51] <verix> how do I set the Ubuntu Server to boot into a terminal rather than into X?
[06:51] <emac_> ok ill try that one
[06:51] <lee986321> any how I burned 4 disks hoping to get a 32 bit version but they were all corupted and the lowest speed my recorde r goes to is 12
[06:51] <Zippy2> veritgo_: update-rc.d -f gdm remove ?
[06:51] <verix> will try that
[06:51] <Zippy2> verix
[06:51] <Zippy2> damnit too many people in here
[06:51] <mjs22> Anyone know how to configure X to not start gnome or KDE or XFCE by default, but a custom window manager?  Google isn't turning up any obvious clues as to how to do this.
[06:51] <pheonixind> zippy2: lol
[06:51] <emac_> pheonixind, after i run that apt-get clean what's next?
[06:52] <Zippy2> mjs22: .xinitrc
[06:52]  * fiveofoh hugs xrandr
[06:52] <pheonixind> emac_: THen restart the upgrade.
[06:52] <Zippy2> emac_: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade or upgrade
[06:52] <lee986321> eh how do I get force my way to get xine?
[06:52] <fiveofoh> The "screens and graphics" thing is crap
[06:52] <fiveofoh> But xrandr works beautifully
[06:52] <Zippy2> fiveofoh: do it manually and waste 10 times more time
[06:53] <DesiArnez6> Wondering if anyone out there is familiar with PPP, my dialup conection will not connect unless I type it as sudo gnome-ppp from the terminal.
[06:53] <emac_> ok trying that out now
[06:53] <emac_> thanks guys
[06:53] <Zippy2> emac
[06:53] <fiveofoh> Zippy2: What do you mean?  The screens and graphics thing just flat out doesn't work for me
[06:53] <Zippy2> try using another mirror
[06:53] <emac_> im getting this error...
[06:53] <beasty_> morning
[06:53] <emac_> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.pacific.net.au_linux_ubuntu_dists_feisty_restricted_binary-i386_Packages)
[06:53] <Zippy2> fiveofoh: either a) dont use 3d b) waste more time
[06:53] <homanj> curious, is there a way to reset my sources.list?
[06:53] <pheonixind> Desiarnez6: Change the access groups on PPP to add your login.
[06:53] <fiveofoh> I tried to get xrandr working in 7.04 but with all the dependencies, it was iffy and didn't quite work right
[06:53] <Zippy2> emac_: i dont know the noob way to fix that, sorry.
[06:53] <fiveofoh> Zippy2: 3D?  It's just for my external monitor that I have hooked up to my laptop
[06:54] <lee986321> i hve used 5 mirrors which leads me to belive  recorder failure may be eniment
[06:54] <Zippy2> fiveofoh: same thing. i edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually
[06:54] <n2diy> DesiArnez6: I'm using Kppp, not gnome-ppp, and I jus start it from menu>internet>kppp.
[06:54] <n2diy> jus/just*
[06:54] <fiveofoh> Zippy2: Yeah, but then you have to restart xserver every time
[06:54] <Zippy2> i have a thinkpad and i use thinkwiki
[06:54] <verix> hey that worked! thanks. :)
[06:54] <Zippy2> fiveofoh: by every time i guess you mean that one time it takes t oget it right
[06:55] <fiveofoh> Zippy2: No, like when I switch from using my laptop to using the external screen
[06:55] <emac_> err.. anyone?
[06:55] <DesiArnez6> phoenixind: do you mean , properties.Permissions (from right click)?
[06:55] <lee986321> any how.. how do i get Xine , its another piece of the puzel ti amrok in lol
[06:55] <stanmancan132> Okay, hopefully last question!
[06:55] <emac_> pheonixind?
[06:55] <fiveofoh> xrandr --output VGA --off --output LVDS --mode 1280x800
[06:55] <Zippy2> fiveofoh: i havent done that yet
[06:55] <stanmancan132> When I boot up into the Ubuntu Install screen I have no Enter key
[06:55] <fiveofoh> is a lot easier than editing xorg.conf
[06:55] <stanmancan132> It say "Start or Install Ubuntu
[06:55] <DesiArnez6> n2diy: I used to start it that way too, for some reason it seems something was altered preventing it from running that way
[06:55] <stanmancan132> i can use up down left right F1-F6
[06:55] <Zippy2> damnit i have to register my nick
[06:55] <stanmancan132> but the "return" key doesn't work so I can't select any of the options
[06:56] <Gohan> MasterShrek: I downloaded the alternative cd and it started to install ubuntu, I want to test a live version first
[06:56] <fiveofoh> Zippy2: You know how to do such, right?
[06:56] <Zippy2> hah someone registered my nickname
[06:56] <fiveofoh> Zippy2: Ha that sucks
[06:56] <explorer24> stanmancan132: use space key
[06:56] <Zippy2> what are the odds
[06:56] <pheonixind> desiarnez6: Hrm, under user accnts I beleave.  Add the PPP group to your username.  I forget off the top of my head.
[06:56] <fiveofoh> I use my laptop all over the place, but use my monitor when I'm at my desk, so I need to be able to switch quickly
[06:56] <fiveofoh> Odds are better than for my nick, I would guess
[06:56] <n2diy> DesiArnez6: Is this a recent upgrade, might be a bug?
[06:56] <fiveofoh> Although someone has cincodenada (my other nick) on Yahoo
[06:56] <stanmancan132> Explorer24: Is that just what you do or is that a issue or... ?
[06:57] <n2diy> DesiArnez6: can you start it from a command line?
[06:57] <Zippy2> oh well, cant msg
[06:57] <pheonixind> desiarnez6: The way you say ay work too
[06:57] <Zippy2> sorry jms
[06:57] <explorer24> stanmancan132: I have not faced a situation like you. enter works for me all the time.
[06:57] <Zippy2> i can receive by cant send
[06:57] <fiveofoh> Hmm, I thought maybe if I initiated you could send
[06:57] <stanmancan132> ZIppy any tips or ideas?
[06:58] <tiago> #windows
[06:58] <Excallibur> hey, I'm having a problem getting my NIC card working on a fresh 7.10 install of mythbuntu
[06:58] <Gohan> ok anyone help me please? I was instructed to download the alternative cd for gutsy, but its installing linux and all i want to do is try the live version. Any way to do this?
[06:58] <Zippy2> stanmancan132: i lost it in scrollback
[06:58] <stanmancan132> The screen that shows up when you boot to the Ubuntu CD doesn't let me use my Enter key....
[06:58] <Evanlec> Gohan, download the desktop cd
[06:58] <Zippy2> try spacebar
[06:58] <fiveofoh> Zippy2: I just set unfiltered off, does it work now?
[06:58] <stanmancan132> willdo
[06:58] <Zippy2> or alt-m
[06:58] <pheonixind> You got mythbuntu to work????  Awesome.
[06:58] <Excallibur> yeah
[06:58] <Gohan> evanlec: i have it and it does not work it says something about the x server
[06:58] <lee986321> eh i am not sure how i did this but my 64 bit is running flash and java
[06:58] <Zippy2> or ctrl-m
[06:58]  * fiveofoh needs to remember how to set up mythtv...I forgot what it means with the db error
[06:59] <Excallibur> pheonixind: mythbuntu is totally functional minus the NIC card
[06:59] <lee986321> this is totally new
[06:59] <Evanlec> Gohan, then your only choice is to install
[06:59] <wubuntu> hi, i can't change the size of my windows anymore. just maximize and minimze, but not manuel!does anybody can help me?
[06:59] <pheonixind> excallibur: It will not work for me, so no idea. sorry.
[06:59] <Gohan> evanlec: then how do i do that on a fully partioned xp drive?
[06:59] <Excallibur> pheonixind: well, the problem isn't myth, i got that all set
[06:59] <DesiArnez6> n2diy: I can start it fine from the command line as sudo gnome-ppp, clicking on it only makes it connect and immediately connect, the only difference I perceive are sudo priviledge?
[06:59] <Evanlec> Gohan, the installer will let you resize your windows partition, or you can resize it within windows
[07:00] <Excallibur> pheonixind: the problem is that ubuntu isn't recognizing my NIC
[07:00] <pheonixind> Excallibur: What NIC do you have?
[07:00] <Gohan> evanlec, whats a good size for it?
[07:00] <maxxism> omg Gutsy is so nice.  much better than feisty.  I cant believe I have been using ubuntu since warty now.  i am lovin the compiz fusion.  the auto install nvidia drivers,  still wish gftp and xchat were included on standard install.
[07:00] <zendo> Hi. How can I most easily upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10?
[07:00] <Evanlec> Gohan, how big is your drive?
[07:00] <n2diy> DesiArnez6: sounds normal to me, I have to enter a password when I select it from the menu.
[07:00] <Excallibur> pheonixind: oh man, its built into the mobo
[07:01] <Gohan> evanlec, 120gig
[07:01] <DesiArnez6> phoenixind: So under properties i see group (myusername) access readonly, should that be read and write? However at the top it says I am the owner and read and write acces? Hmm
[07:01] <Excallibur> pheonixind: is there anything in the command line that would help me figure that out?
[07:01] <pheonixind> excallibur: Wow, hard to knwo then.  Is it under the restricted drivers menue?
[07:01] <Evanlec> Gohan, i would say 20gig minimum, but i'd probly give it 40 or 60
[07:01] <Zippy2> you can do everything in command line
[07:01] <maxxism> zendo.  let the software updater do it for you
[07:01] <Excallibur> pheonixind: i don't think so, i'll double check though
[07:01] <hwilde> What is the Ubuntu way to disable these bluetooth services?
[07:02] <zendo> maxxism: can you pleaste tell me how?
[07:02] <pheonixind> Desiarnez6: It is not there then, it will be under user permissions for group software.
[07:02] <zendo> maxxism: that is how to make it?
[07:02] <sudhanshu> c
[07:02] <Gohan> evanlec, so when i resize the partion then the information will be safe right? not that there is much on there due to it being a fesh reinstall
[07:02] <AmyRose> Is there a way to force OpenOffice.org to use the autohinter instead of that horrible bytecode interpreter for font rendering? I'm thinking there isn't because everybody on the OO.o dev team seems to unanimously agree that the bytecode interpreter is the greatest thing since pre-sliced bread >.>
[07:02] <DesiArnez6> n2diy: Hmm, If you mean my ISP access password, yeah, I always enter that, but sudo password, this is new, I havent needed it for PPP since May when I made the Ubuntu switch
[07:02] <pheonixind> Does anyone remember where the user group permissions are easily found?
[07:02] <maxxism> zendo.  http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[07:02] <Evanlec> Gohan, yea, it'll be fine
[07:03] <maxxism> zendo it works great
[07:03] <hwilde> pheonixind, /etc/group(s)
[07:03] <Zippy2> whats a user group perm
[07:03] <Gohan> evanlec, thanks ill go try that
[07:03] <Excallibur> pheonixind: no it isn't under the restricted drivers menu
[07:03] <zendo> maxxism: thanks man, I'll try that :)
[07:03] <pheonixind> hwilde: Awesome, you rock.
[07:04] <Zippy2> oh group membership
[07:04] <pheonixind> Excallibur: The distro may not have a driver for the nic then. =(
[07:04] <hwilde> pheonixind, you will probably ask next for /etc/passwd
[07:04] <Excallibur> pheonixind: is it possible to get the driver from somewhere?
[07:04] <hwilde> How to disable bluetoothd-service-input and bluetoothd-service-audio  (installed and running by default in 7.10) ?
[07:04] <pabs3> who do I notify about http://planet.ubuntu.com/rss20.xml containing invalid XML?
[07:05] <n2diy> DesiArnez6: hmmm, not sure then, I just tried it, and I wasn't prompted for a password, and kppp has my ISP password stored, so I'm not sure what has happened? Sounds like a permission problem?
[07:05] <pheonixind> Excallibur: May be able too.  May have to google it.
[07:05] <Excallibur> pheonixind: i have a regular gusty desktop disk here, the nic works with that disk, can i pull it from there somehow?
[07:05] <Excallibur> pheonixind:  i'm not sure what to google for
[07:05] <DesiArnez6> n2diy: That what Im thinking too, but Im not too advanced, so Im trying to figure it out I guess ;)
[07:06] <pheonixind> Excallibur: You may be able too, but I have never had to do that before so I dont know much about that.
[07:06] <fiveofoh> ooh
[07:06] <Excallibur> pheonixind: well thanks for the advice, i appreciate it
[07:06]  * fiveofoh sets up compiz hotkeys for switching between his screens...sooo excited!!
[07:06]  * fiveofoh hugs gutsy again
[07:06] <n2diy> DesiArnez6: right click on the gppp menu, and check your permissions, ownership, etc...
[07:07] <Zippy2> seriously, is 3d effects so important
[07:07] <Zippy2> are
[07:07] <maxxism> Zippy2 YES!!!!
[07:07] <Zippy2> im just glad xorg isnt crashing
[07:07] <pheonixind> Zippy2: Never worked on my ssytem, so to me, no. haha
[07:07] <AmyRose> Zippy2: Yes.
[07:07] <explorer24> Zippy2: They are fancy
[07:07] <DesiArnez6> n2diy: OK Im there, it says Im the owner, and that my privilidges are read and write
[07:07] <Zippy2> does it work on intel gmax3100
[07:08] <bullgard4> GNOME Power Manager is a session daemon for the GNOME
[07:08] <bullgard4> desktop environment that makes it easy to
[07:08] <n2diy> DesiArnez6: good, now give yourself execute permission! :)
[07:08] <maxxism> Zippy2 when I first installed beryl on feisty.  my entire computing life was upgraded
[07:08] <Zippy2> bullgard4: doesnt gnome power manager have a power consumption issue
[07:08] <AmyRose> Zippy2: It appears that intel and nvidia are the best brands if you want any hope of getting Compiz to work
[07:08] <Zippy2> good for me
[07:08] <pheonixind> Desiarnez6: Look under admin>users and groups, and add ppp to your username
[07:09] <Zippy2> useradd -a -G ppp username
[07:09] <DesiArnez6> n2diy: so next to execute should be checked (Allow executing file as program)?
[07:09] <Zippy2> oops usermod
[07:09] <fowlduck> hmm
[07:09] <DesiArnez6> phoenixind: OK im there one sec
[07:09] <n2diy> DesiArnez6: yes
[07:09] <fowlduck> what does ubuntu using for sending local mail messages instead of sendmail?
[07:10] <Zippy2> fowlduck: sudo netstat -anp|grep 25
[07:10] <fowlduck> Zippy2: local vs as a service to the rest of the world
[07:10] <bullgard4> Synaptic: "GNOME Power Manager is a session daemon for the GNOME desktop environment that makes it easy to manage your laptop or desktop system." Can one tell me what a 'session daemon' is?
[07:10] <Veenified> Can anyone help me get java script working?
[07:10] <Zippy2> should be the same
[07:11] <Zippy2> bullgard4: its a server that starts and runs only when you are logged in
[07:11] <fowlduck> Zippy2: it yields nothing, as it does not run a mail service on an interface
[07:11] <Veenified> Can anyone help me so java applets work in Firefox?
[07:11] <Zippy2> server=session=daemon
[07:11] <pheonixind> bullgard4: THink of it as an applet or a program.
[07:11] <Zippy2> fowlduck: localhost is an interface
[07:11] <Froschkonig> hey everyone
[07:11] <stanmancan132> Okay, both Enter and Space bar don't work when I go to "Start or Install Ubuntu"
[07:11] <n2diy> fowlduck: mail?
[07:11] <stanmancan132> but if i go down to "Boot from First Hard Drive" and hit enter it works
[07:11] <Zippy2> stash: did you try ctrl-m
[07:11] <power78> why is my /etc/modprob.conf file blank?
[07:12] <fowlduck> Zippy2: doesn't appear to run anything by default...what's good?
[07:12] <DesiArnez6> phoenixind: Ok while in Users and settings I highlighted my iusername and click manage groups, then add group?
[07:12] <stash> Zippy2: say what?
[07:12] <Zippy2> fowlduck: theyre all good, as long as you make sure it's not old and vulnerable
[07:12] <Froschkonig> I have a real quick question for the more knowledgeable ones here
[07:12] <Zippy2> stash: i meant stanman
[07:12] <fowlduck> hmm
[07:12] <stash> oh, good :)
[07:12] <pheonixind> desiarnez6: Yes, then add PPP if it is installed and there.
[07:12] <fowlduck> sendmail-bin
[07:12] <fowlduck> maybe
[07:12] <stanmancan132> Zippy: So instead of enter, or space, i should try CTRL+M ??
[07:12] <bullgard4> Zippy2: Why does GNOME power manager only start und raun when I am logged in?
[07:12] <fowlduck> or postfix
[07:12] <Veenified> Can anyone help me so java applets to work in Firefox 64-bit?
[07:13] <Zippy2> bullgard4: i have no idea, seems retarded to me
[07:13] <Zippy2> unless it doesnt do anything besides aid in your computer usage
[07:13] <Zippy2> like lets you see your battery level and suspend or something
[07:13] <Adam> anyone use VMWare? i'm trying to create a copy of an ubuntu machine but when i try to boot the new machine all the network is unreachable - i've changed IP and the vmware UUID
[07:14] <c0rrupt0r> whats a good proxy or socks for Ubuntu 7.10 that works with many programs?
[07:14] <bullgard4> Zippy2: I do not understand your phrase "seems retarded to me." Please say it in other words.
[07:14] <tri> connect
[07:14] <Zippy2> cpufreq and laptop-mode and all those should do that all the time
[07:14] <Zippy2> bullgard4: i dont think it needs to be on all the time
[07:14] <stanmancan132> bullgard4: it means it's STUPID
[07:14] <Froschkonig> to anyone: IF i install unbuntu on my main HDD, with WIndows XP SP2 still on it, would there be any adverse results?
[07:14] <Zippy2> because othe rprograms are
[07:14] <Zippy2> it's a waste, i think
[07:14] <Zippy2> i use powertop
[07:14] <Zippy2> lesswatts.org linuxpowertop.org i think
[07:14] <pheonixind> bullguard4: He means that it is not the smartest way it should run, and stupid.
[07:14] <stanmancan132> Zippy2: So you say I should try CTRL+M instead of enter and space?
[07:14] <Zippy2> stanmancan132: yes
[07:14] <Zippy2> ^M=enter
[07:15] <bullgard4> Zippy2, stanmancan132 : Thank you.
[07:15] <Barbarello> Hi!
[07:15] <stanmancan132> Zippy2: The weird thing is though if i go down to the menu option "Boot to First Hard Drive" and hit enter, it  boots into windows.
[07:15] <Zippy2> bullgard4: if you check powertop's web site, i think they say that gnome power manager has a problem where itwakes up the cpu from sleep too much
[07:15] <Zippy2> stanmancan132: is this in grub?
[07:16] <DesiArnez6> phoenixind: Hmm perhaps this is the problem? I dont see PPP or gnome-ppp I do already have priviliges for modem use.
[07:16] <stanmancan132> But if I hit "Enter" on "Start or Install Ubuntu" nothing happens
[07:16] <fowlduck> oh, hmm, I want an uber-uber-uber-uber minimal mail system, for local delivery only, any recommendations?
[07:16] <Barbarello> How can i change my codepage on UTF8? Using mirc on windows niw
[07:16] <SteamMachine> Hello. As you all know, it is possible to add bootscripts using the tool "sessions" under system, preferences
[07:16] <stanmancan132> Zippy2: This is when I put the cd in, reboot, and the first screen shows up
[07:16] <pheonixind> desiarnez6: Modem use is PPP, it should work normally for you then.
[07:16] <SteamMachine> Unfortunately I added a command that seems to have caused some major issues.
[07:16] <DesiArnez6> n2diy: I checked the execute box, Im checking a few more things and I guess I see if it works. Thx
[07:16] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> hello
[07:17] <Zippy2> stanmancan132: wow, thats weird, try the alternate cd
[07:17] <zsjtest> hello
[07:17] <Bryan> is there a LC-3 Simulator for ubuntu?
[07:17] <SteamMachine> Where abouts is this script located? I have mounted the drive using a liveCd and I want to manually remove the command.
[07:17] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[07:17] <Cra1> the cpu on my laptop is continually running at 100
[07:17] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> what is that? x(
[07:17] <Zippy2> or netboot
[07:17] <c0rrupt0r> whats a good proxy or socks for Ubuntu 7.10 that works with many programs?
[07:17] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> i can't install eggdrop
[07:17] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> he says:
[07:17] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[07:17] <SteamMachine> I really need to do this quickly as the computer I'm on is 1) not mine 2) needed soon
[07:17] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> please help me
[07:17] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> what i need to do?
[07:17] <n2diy> DesiArnez6: GL, you may have to log out, an back in for the changes to stick. But you DON'T need to reboot.
[07:17] <SteamMachine> All I really need to know (I think) is where "sessions" puts scripts.
[07:18] <Zippy2> sudo apt-get build-essentials?
[07:18] <Zippy2> for vov4ik
[07:18] <Atomic_UE> just out of curiousity....when is the online distro documentation going to be updated for 7.10 ?
[07:18] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> hm
[07:18] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> maybe
[07:18] <DesiArnez6> phoenixind: someone else mentioned that uder permissions for gnome-ppp "Allow executing file as program" box was not checked, I checked it now, is that potentially the main problem?
[07:18] <xonicx> Due to some reason, ubuntu 7.10 didnt configure my sound card. What is the utility to configure sound card on ubuntu 7.10? i dont see any utility under system menu.
[07:18] <bassgoon> is it normal on the alternate installer to hang on "cleaning up" for a long time?
[07:18] <pheonixind> desiarnez6: a simple cntrl+alt+backspace will restart your x session for faster loggin. =P
[07:18] <Bryan> is there a LC-3 Simulator for ubuntu?
[07:18] <Zippy2> xonicx: what card
[07:18] <skinnypuppy34> What do I need to do with the .iso to put on a usb ext3 drive and boot to the live cd iso?
[07:18] <Excallibur> anyone have any ideas on how to spoof a mac address in gusty?
[07:19] <DesiArnez6> n2diy: THank you very much, I was afraid of having to reboot, so ill just logout and test then
[07:19] <Zippy2> skinnypuppy34: you cant, its not as simple as that
[07:19] <xonicx> i dont know.. its dell vastro 1500 laptop
[07:19] <Excallibur> used to be able to sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[07:19] <ScarEye> Will ubuntu load my RAID dirvers ?  (Hardware RAID) ?
[07:19] <Zippy2> trst me, ive wasted way too much tme trying
[07:19] <Excallibur> that doesn't seem to work now
[07:19] <Zippy2> xonicx: lspci
[07:19] <pheonixind> Desiarnez6: THat may work.
[07:19] <Zippy2> ScarEye: try it and see
[07:19] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: ser@ubuntu:~/Desktop/eggdrop1.6.18$  sudo apt-get build-essentials
[07:19] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> E: Invalid operation build-essentials
[07:19] <crackintosh> can someone name a popular firewall package for ubuntu? I have one installed on a remote machine and need to remember the name.
[07:19] <DesiArnez6> phoenixind, n2diy, Ok well, here goes, we'll see I guess.
[07:19] <Zippy2> oops apt-get install build-essentials
[07:19] <Zippy2> sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[07:19] <crackintosh> I need to unblock vnc
[07:19] <xonicx> i got intel 8280H sound card
[07:20] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> thank you
[07:20] <skinnypuppy34> Damn, I've got a dell that the ide controller doesn't work on anymore but the sata and usb work fine
[07:20] <omgoose> what is the best video editing software for linux?
[07:20] <Barbarello> where can i find drivers for monitors? No linux-drivers on manufacturer site :(
[07:20] <Zippy2> xonicx: search google for the module linux uses for that driver, then modprobe that driver
[07:20] <Zippy2> and add it to /etc/modules to load on boot
[07:20] <omgoose> like a windows movie maker equivalent?
[07:20] <xonicx> sorry its 82801H (ICH8 family)
[07:20] <Zippy2> try modprobe snd-hda-intel
[07:20] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: E: Couldn't find package build-essentials
[07:20] <n2diy> ! hardware | Barbarello
[07:20] <ubotu> Barbarello: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[07:20] <Excallibur> ?
[07:21] <Excallibur> omgoose: how complicated are you trying to get?
[07:21] <Excallibur> sorry about that stray '?'
[07:21] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: oops, take out the last letter (s)
[07:21] <Barbarello> thanks! Ill see *THUMB UP*
[07:21] <c0rrupt0r> whats a good proxy or socks for Ubuntu 7.10 that works with many programs?
[07:21] <mongol> hi, what is the syntax for CHOWN? my internet is not working well right now so i can't googl
[07:21] <Zippy2> c0rrupt0r: socks? squid?
[07:21] <Excallibur> omgoose: there is a movie maker equivalent called kino
[07:21] <Zippy2> mongol: man chown
[07:21] <Excallibur> its not great
[07:21] <preaction> mongol, man chown will tell you
[07:22] <omgoose> Excallibur: i want to do stuff like windows movie maker, put clips together, add some audio, transitions and maybe some text
[07:22] <Excallibur> i think kino can probably so most of that
[07:22] <mongol> zippy, preaction, really? okay i'll try that :D
[07:22] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: cool, it works x))
[07:22] <Excallibur> omgoose: kinodv.org
[07:22] <xonicx> [sudo] password for rakesh:
[07:22] <xonicx> FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[07:22] <omgoose> ty
[07:22] <Excallibur> i think you can simply $sudo apt-get install kino
[07:23] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: after it, i need to add it to auto boot?
[07:23] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: add what?
[07:23] <Excallibur> omgoose: if you want to do more complex stuff there is also cinelerra
[07:23] <Zippy2> xonicx: whats in dmesg
[07:23] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> ohh no
[07:23] <DerangedDingo> Hey all.. i'm pulling my hair out trying to get Conky 1.4.8 to configure with RSS support.. --enable-rss works, but it stops configuring when it's checking for the libxml-2.0 and libcurl libraries
[07:23] <xonicx> how to see dmesg? i havnt used it before
[07:23] <Excallibur> omgoose: i do video editing and web design for a living, I couldn't make heads or tales of cinelerra but kino is pretty easy though somewhat limited
[07:23] <Greyfox> G'day everyone. I'm on Windows XP x64 right now and I'm looking to install Ubuntu. What's my best option for a free disk partitioning software?
[07:24] <Zippy2> type dmesg and press enter (in a terminal)
[07:24] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: sorry, i write to not correct window x))
[07:24] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: sorry for my bad english, i'm russian =)
[07:24] <DerangedDingo> Greyfox: Ubuntu has disk partitioning software on the CD
[07:24] <pheonixind> xonicx: Can you pull it up in Kate, Gedit or emacs?
[07:24] <power78> can anyone help me configure my audio card for digital!!!
[07:24] <DerangedDingo> Greyfox: several programs, in fact
[07:24] <omgoose> excallibur: yeah i think i might just use it, i only want to do simple stuff for a school project
[07:24] <Greyfox> Ah excellent DerangedDingo. It's downloading right now so I suppose I won't find out for a few.
[07:24] <n2diy> xonicx: open a text editor, and then open /var/logs/dmesg
[07:24] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: go see the movie eastern promises
[07:24] <xonicx> [   19.708000] snd_hda_intel: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_add
[07:24] <xonicx> [   19.708000] snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_add
[07:24] <xonicx> [   19.708000] snd_hda_intel: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_new
[07:24] <xonicx> [   19.708000] snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_new
[07:24] <xonicx> [   19.708000] snd_hda_intel: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_limit_hw_rates
[07:24] <xonicx> [   19.708000] snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_limit_hw_rates
[07:24] <Excallibur> omgoose: for that, it should work
[07:25] <omgoose> Excallibur: kool thanks for the help
[07:25] <Meglo> spam
[07:25] <Zippy2> xonicx: theres a version conflict, i dont know what you did
[07:25] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: all good, but he need's tcl support
[07:25] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2:  Tcl cannot be found on this system.
[07:25] <Zippy2> sudo apt-get install module-assistant, m-a a-i alsa
[07:25] <slvmchna> is it possible to run OSX in VMware or other linux alternative, in ubuntu?
[07:25] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: Eggdrop requires Tcl to compile.
[07:25] <n2diy> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: QSL?
[07:25] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> what?
[07:25] <pheonixind> slvmchna: Yes
[07:25] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> ohh, so big channel x))
[07:26] <slvmchna> it runs ok?
[07:26] <Zippy2> sudo bash apt-get install tcl8.3 4 or 5
[07:26] <xonicx> i think i have messed up . modeprobe snd-hda-intel didnt work for me earlier. so i tried to recompile alsa. how to recover now?
[07:26] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> thank you
[07:26] <n2diy> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: never mind, your nick looks like a ham call sign.
[07:26] <Zippy2> oops no bash, just sudo apt-get install ...
[07:26] <kurisutofuaa> Is there a way to make so when I install an app it will install it's dev file if it has one?
[07:26] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> okay
[07:26] <pheonixind> slvmchna: Yes I have Suse 10.2 running fine in VMware.
[07:26] <clusty> how can i stop updatedb from running daily or so?
[07:26] <Zippy2> kurisutofuaa: apt-get build-dep i think?
[07:26] <DerangedDingo> Greyfox: You're gonna wanna use the "manual partitioning" method when you're installing, if it's still there. I haven't played with Gutsy's installer.. things might've changed. If it's not there, Go to System > Administration > and there should be partitioning software in there
[07:26] <Bryan> When I download the LC-3 simulator from Mcraw hill, I can't get it to compile. Anyone got any ideas?
[07:26] <Zippy2> yep
[07:26] <omgoose> hrm so with kino, i have to convert everything to dv?
[07:27] <aaronshaf> Could someone please help me out? I somehow switched desktops and I have no bar on bottom or top
[07:27] <Atomic_UE> slvmchna, Win XP works too in VMWare
[07:27] <Greyfox> Okay great DerangedDingo! I'm looking to rid myself of Windows on this box soon, or at least have everything save for Team Fortress 2 removed. :)
[07:27] <t__> Hi Everyone! Can I have a question?
[07:27] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: tcl8.5: can't find package x)
[07:27] <gogeta> Atomic_UE hell vista works in vmware LOL
[07:27] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: search for tcl in your package manager
[07:27] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> okay
[07:27] <Zippy2> im searching through debian repositories
[07:27] <DerangedDingo> aaronshaf: Are you running Compiz?
[07:27] <pheonixind> aaronshaf: You can rebuilt the bars if you want.  Right click on the desktop>new bar.
[07:27] <DesiArnez6> n2diy: phoenixind: Well, this problem has officially been solved it seems, indeed the "Execute" box needed to be checked for PPP to maintain its connection. THanks so very much for all of your help and suggestions ;)
[07:28] <pheonixind> desiarnez6: Rock on!!!
[07:28] <BaD-Laptop> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1316/ <-- any ideas how i can fix these startup delays?
[07:28] <aaronshaf> DerangedDingo, yes, I'm running compiz, and right clicking the desktop gives me nothing
[07:28] <gogeta> Greyfox Team Fortress 2 i think works in cedega/wine
[07:28] <n2diy> DesiArnez6: Great!
[07:28] <zetheroo> how do i get the ripple working in compiz?
[07:29] <Bryan> When I download the LC-3 simulator from Mcraw hill, I can't get it to compile. Anyone got any ideas?
[07:29] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> ohh
[07:29] <friend2GNU> aaronshaf: are you using gutsy final?
[07:29] <gogeta> Greyfox its just halflife 2 mod and halflife 2 runs
[07:29] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: i need help
[07:29] <aaronshaf> friend2GNU, yes
[07:29] <Zippy2> BaD-Laptop: put noacpi in grub
[07:29] <Greyfox> gogeta: Ah nice, I'll have to see. I'm COMPLETELY new to Linux.
[07:29] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: with
[07:29] <DerangedDingo> aaronshaf: It's just Compiz's problem with multiple desktops. upgrade your version or just remove the extra desktops. you might have to Ctrl + Alt + Bkspc
[07:29] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]>   Eggdrop requires Tcl to compile. If you already have Tcl installed on
[07:29] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]>   this system, and I just wasn't looking in the right place for it, re-run
[07:29] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]>   ./configure using the --with-tcllib='/path/to/libtcl.so' and
[07:29] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]>   --with-tclinc='/path/to/tcl.h' options.
[07:29] <friend2GNU> aaronshaf: have you tried clicking where the bar should be?
[07:29] <BaD-Laptop> Zippy2: gotcha. thanks
[07:29] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> where is tcl?
[07:29] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> folder?
[07:29] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: install tcl dev package
[07:29] <pheonixind> Greyfox: Welcome to the Linux World!!
[07:29] <gogeta> Greyfox :)
[07:29] <zetheroo> when I move a window and then drop it somewhere I want to have it cause ripples on my desktop
[07:30] <Zippy2> zetheroo: buy an apple machine
[07:30] <Greyfox> Thanks pheonixind. Been a Mac user for a long time, just wanted to get this Windows box running something other than MS.
[07:30] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: command?
[07:30] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: apt-cache search tcl|grep dev
[07:30] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Package tcl-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:30] <zetheroo> Zippy2
[07:30] <gogeta> zetheroo i think you gotta install the compiz-settings-manager
[07:30] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> okat, thank you
[07:30] <zetheroo> Zippy2: no... I know its possible with compiz
[07:30] <Zippy2> try sudo apt-get install tcl8.5-dev
[07:30] <gogeta> to get all the options
[07:31] <pheonixind> Greyfox: Awesome.  Glad to see a Mac user here. =)
[07:31] <zetheroo> gogeta: yeah I have it ... but where in there... ha
[07:31] <Adam> what config file is the MAC address stored in server 6.06 ? and is there a way to rescan the network interface to get a new MAC address?
[07:31] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> that: tcl8.4-dev - Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.4 - development files
[07:31] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> ?
[07:31] <Zippy2> sure
[07:31] <Greyfox> pheonixind: Yeah I've got my old G4 PowerBook in the other room. :)
[07:31] <Zippy2> newer the better
[07:31] <gogeta> i beleve its in window animations
[07:32] <n2diy> Adam: does ifconfig tell you anything useful?
[07:32] <novato_br> dudes, is it ilegal download tv series on EUAs?
[07:32] <Zippy2> so guys... i hear if you dont get enough sleep you gain more weight. is this tue
[07:32] <Zippy2> true
[07:32] <SteamMachine> Where does the gui tool "Sessions" put bootup scripts?
[07:32] <novato_br> i'd like know, plz
[07:32] <Psy> Zippy2, yep :p
[07:32] <Zippy2> hm
[07:32] <Adam> n2diy: no, nor does /etc/network/interfaces
[07:32] <gogeta> Zippy2 can also go crazy and die
[07:32] <gogeta> LOL
[07:32] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: uraa!! =)) THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I LOVE YOU, IT'S CONFIGURED ;))))
[07:32] <Zippy2> gogeta: i thought that was masturbation
[07:32] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: np
[07:33] <Obelich> hola
[07:33] <Obelich> como estan
[07:33] <gogeta> Zippy2 rumers i tell you
[07:33] <novato_br> dudes
[07:33] <gogeta> lol
[07:33] <Zippy2> asi asi
[07:33] <Psy> that also makes you gain weight...
[07:33] <friend2GNU> zetheroo: its water effect, is what i think you are referring to
[07:33] <Psy> lol
[07:33] <Obelich> estoy migrando una computadora a ubuntu que tenia windows vista
[07:33] <Obelich> pero ahora me presento un problema con conpiz
[07:33] <zetheroo> friend2GNU: all I can see in there is rain...
[07:33] <gogeta> just admit your a fat nerd
[07:33] <Obelich> recien la instale y todo funcionaba correctamente
[07:33] <pheonixind> LOL, Cant help ya, English language for me.
[07:33] <gogeta> LOL
[07:33] <Zippy2> que lastima!
[07:33] <Psy> lol
[07:33] <Zippy2> alt-0161 before the que
[07:34] <Zippy2> antes que?
[07:34] <mneptok> !es
[07:34] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[07:34] <Zippy2> alt-0424 before antes
[07:34] <Adam> n2diy: i'm trying to clone a vmware install of 6.06 server so vmware creates a new mac address but the ubuntu install doesn't know about the mac address change so need to find a way to fix it manually
[07:34] <Psy> hey guys while its quiet in here. should my wpa-psk be in hex or ascii format in the interfaes file?
[07:34] <Zippy2> Psy: either. but ascii in ""
[07:34] <Tomcat_> SteamMachine: ~/.config/autostart
[07:34] <friend2GNU> zetheroo: click on water effect then go to actions tab
[07:34] <Psy> ah ok cool
[07:34] <pheonixind> Zippy2: Trilingual hu?  Nice. =)
[07:34] <Psy> could it be that my router is expecting a certain one?
[07:34] <friend2GNU> zetheroo: then enable title wave
[07:34] <Zippy2> pheonixind: i know enough to pretend i know it
[07:34] <Zippy2> just like russian
[07:34] <Zippy2> tochna!
[07:35] <mneptok> shto?
[07:35] <Zippy2> shto eto
[07:35] <Psy> hmm
[07:35]  * Psy has an idea
[07:35] <zetheroo> friend2GNU: On System Bell?
[07:35] <n2diy> Adam: GL, over my head. :/
[07:35] <Zippy2> damn i forgot how to say how do you say
[07:35] <Psy> if ic onnect to my network via dhcp (which works) will the network settings be in the interfaces file?
[07:35] <pheonixind> Qui
[07:36] <Zippy2> Psy: no
[07:36] <pheonixind> Ques ce?
[07:36] <SteamMachine> Tomcat_, is it fine to simply remove the file?
[07:36] <Adam> n2diy: np, thanks anyway
[07:36] <Bryan> ques que c'est?
[07:36] <pheonixind> lol, but that's not Spanish.
[07:36] <Tomcat_> SteamMachine: Why don't you use the Sessions config?
[07:36] <Bryan> :o oh
[07:36] <Zippy2> the network settings will be in /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/hostname..
[07:36] <pheonixind> Xactly Bryan.
[07:36] <zetheroo> friend2GNU: on system bell .... thats the only option it gives me...
[07:36] <SteamMachine> Tomcat_, because the command caused this computer to not bootup correctly...
[07:37] <pheonixind> Fun fun
[07:37] <Psy> ok thanks, then I can use them for my interfaces file and manually switch to static ip?
[07:37] <Zippy2> oh man. im gonna stay up a few hours, take a shower, go to brooklyn and get cheese danishes. im so excited
[07:37] <friend2GNU> hmm odd
[07:37] <gogeta> if its not english its just random letters
[07:37] <gogeta> :)
[07:37] <friend2GNU> zetheroo: let me double check
[07:37] <pheonixind> Bryan: And you speak french. =)
[07:37] <Zippy2> Psy: your edoing wireless in interfaces?
[07:37] <SteamMachine> Tomcat_, anyway... I'm gonna reboot and see if it worked.
[07:37] <Tem> how /bizarre/!
[07:38] <Zippy2> im on wireless from interfaces right now
[07:38] <beasty_> anyone here uses libnss-db ?
[07:38] <Zippy2> with roaming
[07:38] <Tem> My mouse still freezes even after switching to a different device
[07:38] <Zippy2> beasty: is that with nscd or something
[07:38] <beasty_> Zippy2: dnno what you are talking about :p
[07:38] <pheonixind> Well, the bed is calling me. 1:38 am here.  Night everyone.
[07:38] <Psy> Zippy2, thats where its got my key settings etc?
[07:39] <Zippy2> apt-cache search nscd
[07:39] <fowlduck> hrm
[07:39] <Zippy2> Psy: i set interfaces to refer to wpa_supplicant.conf for roaming, and then i use id_str to relate the logical networks
[07:39] <fowlduck> ok, does ubuntu use a weird shell or something?
[07:39] <nickrud> fowlduck: bash, yes
[07:40] <Psy> oh god now its getting too complicated
[07:40] <gogeta> lol nick
[07:40] <fowlduck> shell scripts are whining about if statements containing [ $UID -ne 0 ]
[07:40] <johnn1> Why I dont use windows   http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/25/windows_update_snafu/
[07:40] <Psy> why ant it just work on a static network lol
[07:40] <guh>  if i have a apache chrooted, and i want to install phpldapadmin + ldap, etc... do i have to chroot them too? what if i will use ldap with samba?
[07:40] <Zippy2> Psy: it does
[07:40] <Psy> not for me :(
[07:40] <Greyfox> Would you folks recommend either the Desktop or Server edition for a newbie? I'm going to be doing things like graphic design, web development, and some other stuff.
[07:40] <mneptok> Psy: what are you trying to do?
[07:40] <Zippy2> Psy: i made a pre-up script to change the mac address to a random hex string but it wont auth to wpa :(
[07:40] <weltschmerz> what do you guys think about the idea that the storm worm is more or less a free-living digital form of life at this point?
[07:40] <n2diy> fowlduck: have you tried your luck in #bash?
[07:40] <gogeta> Greyfox desktop
[07:41] <gogeta> server is text
[07:41] <Zippy2> weltschmerz: i think this world needs more prayer
[07:41] <nickrud> Greyfox: desktop, but get the alternate install disk
[07:41] <PiousMinion> Is there any way I can set up a dual screen display with one of the displays being attached to a separate box?
[07:41] <n2diy> Zippy2: ditto
[07:41] <gogeta> nickrud why
[07:41] <Zippy2> Psy: send me your configs
[07:41] <fowlduck> n2diy: heck no, I tried even the most trivial of tiny scripts, literally an if and an echo and nothing
[07:41] <Psy> mneptok, conenct to my wireless lan using manual config
[07:41] <Greyfox> The alternate one? Why is that nickrud?
[07:41] <nickrud> gogeta: installs cleanly on more hardware
[07:41] <mneptok> Psy: WEP? WPA?
[07:41] <gogeta> lol you try live first
[07:41] <n2diy> fowlduck: have you tried your luck in #bash, that bash help channel?
[07:41] <Psy> Zippy2, don't really have time now mate, was hoping to just get some ideas before I go work... :)
[07:41] <Psy> WPA
[07:41] <Zippy2> Psy: ideas for what? whats the problem?
[07:41] <mneptok> Psy: PSK?
[07:42] <nickrud> gogeta: some machines the live disk won't work on, install just fine with alternate
[07:42] <Zippy2> youre trying to have it use static instead of dhcp?
[07:42] <Zippy2> is that the only problem?
[07:42] <Psy> mneptok yep
[07:42] <nickrud> gogeta: change that to nearly all
[07:42] <gogeta> fowlduck failes at linux
[07:42] <Bryan> Okay, in the LC-3 readme, it says that I just need to type "configure" and it shoudl work. But when I do that it says the command can not be found. So then I type in ./configure. Says I don't have premission. So I do "Sudo ./configure" and it then says the command can not be found. Anyone got any help?
[07:42] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: i can install ftp server?
[07:42] <Psy> Zippy2, dhcp works, static doesn't
[07:42] <n2diy> mneptok: not PSK, that is a ham radio protocol.
[07:42] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: i use pure-ftpd. sudo apt-get install pure-ftpd
[07:42] <gogeta> line disk worked fine for me
[07:42] <fowlduck> n2diy: no, I haven't, but I found the issue, /bin/sh != /bin/bash on ubuntu.  Thanks though
[07:42] <JenFraggle> i did aticonfig yesterday to try and sort out my screen resolution but today when i switched on it had gone back to how it was before and i'm stuck in low graphics mode
[07:42] <mneptok> Psy: you need to generate a wpa_supplicant.conf file, and call that from /etc/network/interfaces
[07:42] <razdaman> Hi. I'm trying to log onto a VPN using network manager in ubuntu7.10. When trying I get this error in /var/log/syslog: "nm_vpn_manager_activate_vpn_connection(): no currently active network device, won't activate VPN." I've googled the problem and found out that there is a bug: if you have static a static ip (which I have) you cannot use VPN. Anyone know a workaround to this?
[07:42] <nickrud> many things Worked For Me™
[07:43] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: thank you
[07:43] <Psy> ok mneptok thanks. I will look into that when I get to work
[07:43] <Zippy2> Psy: iface whatever iface static\address <IP_ADDRESS>\netmask <IP_ADDRESS>\network <IP_ADDRESS>\broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>\gateway <IP_ADDRESS>\dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:43] <Doomguy0505> How much free hard drive space is needed for a 7.04 to 7.10?
[07:43] <fowlduck>  /bin/sh -> dash
[07:43] <fowlduck> so it's an ubuntu issue
[07:43] <Zippy2> \=new line
[07:43] <fowlduck> thanks
[07:43] <mneptok> Psy: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces ?
[07:43] <hwilde_> nickrud, how did you insert that (tm) symbol??
[07:43] <Zippy2> fowlduck: apt-get install bash? update-alternatives?
[07:43] <Doomguy0505> I have a feeling the 1.9 remaining gb won't be enough to upgrade
[07:43] <n2diy> fowlduck: why is that an issue? I'm not a serious programmer, but it doesn't look odd to me?
[07:43] <fowlduck> had I gone to #bash I likely would have ran in circles for a while
[07:43] <Zippy2> dooplex: try it anyway
[07:43] <Psy> mneptok - Cant right now, laptop is off the network and I have work in 20 mins
[07:43] <friend2GNU> zetheroo: seems like compiz fusion is more strict
[07:44] <Psy> thanks for the tips though guys i'll try them when I can
[07:44] <Zippy2> fowlduck: if bash is there, rm /bin/sh;ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh or whatever
[07:44] <fowlduck> n2diy: it's an issue when virtually all shell scripts use #!/bin/sh in the sh-bang line
[07:44] <friend2GNU> zetheroo: check this thread http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?p=33240
[07:44] <Zippy2> Psy: i just did this today. im on static now
[07:44] <Zippy2> i just typed what i used :)
[07:44] <nickrud> hwilde: I used apps->accessories->character map, and created an auto text replace
[07:44] <nickrud> hwilde: "wfm"
[07:44] <Zippy2> i changed becaues im stealing wireless from my brothe rand i didnt want my host showing up on the wireless router dhcp client list
[07:44] <Psy> i just saved it :)
[07:44] <fowlduck> Zippy2: I'm just making my point that it's an ubuntu issue, not a programming one.  I'm fine with /bin/bash
[07:44] <hwilde_> nickrud, gui user :P
[07:44] <Zippy2> fowlduck: its there because they want it there
[07:44] <Zippy2> i noticed it too
[07:45] <gogeta> Zippy2 stealing wireless noughty
[07:45] <JenFraggle> can anyone help with my screen resolution?
[07:45] <fowlduck> Zippy2: yeah, I just asked what the deal was
[07:45] <nickrud> hwilde: I have been all types of users, I even used a machine I toggled machine code into
[07:45] <hwilde_> !fixres | JenFraggle
[07:45] <ubotu> JenFraggle: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:45] <Zippy2> gogeta: i paid him anyway. its not stealing anymore. it was for that 2 hours
[07:45] <fowlduck> it's good to know
[07:45] <fowlduck> !dash
[07:45] <n2diy> mneptok: right, that is why it looked ok to me? Why don't you join #bash, there are nearly 300 folks there that could help you?
[07:45] <ubotu> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to « #! /bin/bash »
[07:45] <JenFraggle> I tried that yesterday but it didn't work
[07:45] <mohkohn> I have the ubuntu live cd of gutsy that came with Linux Format
[07:45] <hwilde_> JenFraggle, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:45] <mohkohn> I can't get a gui from the live cd
[07:46] <hwilde_> mohkohn, check cd for defects?
[07:46] <n2diy> DASH! That is news to me!?
[07:46] <bullgard4> What processes are shown in Gnome System > 'Gnome System Monitor' > Processes and what processes not?
[07:46] <JenFraggle> which bits would i need to edit?
[07:46] <mohkohn> Slackware 12 on the same cd worked fine to install but it is a pain to work with
[07:46] <mohkohn> I miss apt
[07:46] <nickrud> bullgard4: it will show all processes if you ask it to
[07:46] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: what i can add some dir's? where is conf. file of pureftpd?
[07:46] <need_helpz> hello all
[07:47] <hwilde_> JenFraggle, the part about your Screen,  it has a list of resolutions
[07:47] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: /etc/pure-ftpd is everything
[07:47] <bullgard4> nickrud: How can I ask it?
[07:47] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: but i can add dir /home ?
[07:47] <mohkohn> hwilde, done
[07:47] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: or no?
[07:47] <Zippy2> pure-pw for user control. docs are in /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd or pure-ftpd-common
[07:47] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: you can do whatever you want. just read the docs
[07:47] <ade_eka> jono
[07:47] <nickrud> bullgard4: view->all processes
[07:47] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: okay
[07:47] <JenFraggle> that is what i did yesterday
[07:47] <Zippy2> unix accounts work automatically
[07:47] <hwilde_> mohkohn, ok so are you booting from cd in your bios
[07:48] <need_helpz> I am currently running the feisty live disk and am trying to mount a usb harddrive(ext3) so I can backup my current hda1 contents but the live disk is not automounting and i can not seem to find the device name
[07:48] <Magdin> so, has anyone solved the problem with big fonts?
[07:48] <hwilde_> JenFraggle, what resolution are you trying to run
[07:48] <Zippy2> need_helpz: dmesg
[07:48] <ade_eka> nadia
[07:48] <bullgard4> nickrud: Ah! Thank you for hinting me.
[07:48] <Zippy2> Magdin: im blind. its not a problem to me
[07:48] <need_helpz> Zippy2: dmesg finds it
[07:48] <hwilde_> need_helpz, /dev/ttyUSB0
[07:48] <Zippy2> for me
[07:48] <Zippy2> need_helpz: sudo mount /dev/whatever /mnt or whatever
[07:48] <nickrud> bullgard4: and clicking dependencies is illuminating also
[07:48] <n2diy> need_helpz: does lshw tell you what device it is?
[07:48] <need_helpz> well yah
[07:48] <JenFraggle> anything higher than the 640 x 480 it is forcing me to have now
[07:48] <gogeta> need_helpz normaly plugging them befor the cd starst works
[07:48] <Zippy2> need_helpz: the nyou dont need help
[07:48] <need_helpz> yah
[07:48] <mohkohn> hwilde, it boots ok...it is when X comes in. It kind of goes grey. And I don;t seem to be able to get a terminal
[07:48] <need_helpz> thats what i did no go on all of them
[07:48] <ade_eka> cindi
[07:49] <Doomguy0505> What are the minimum hard disk requirements for upgrading to Gutsy????????
[07:49] <need_helpz> when im not on live its /dev/sda1
[07:49] <Zippy2> need_helpz: im lost
[07:49] <hwilde_> JenFraggle, so take out the other resolutions and just put in the one you want to run and it wont have a choice
[07:49] <need_helpz> so it puzzles me
[07:49] <need_helpz> im on a live disk
[07:49] <Zippy2> what is it now?
[07:49] <Magdin> Zippy2: lol, maybe you right... but i find it sort of annoying.
[07:49] <Zippy2> hda1?
[07:49] <need_helpz> an ubuntu update messed up my current install
[07:49] <need_helpz> i need to backup some things
[07:49] <xonicx> to fix sound problem, i recomplied alsa from source and looks like now i have messed up my system. can i rakesh@rakesh-laptop:~/LinuxDrivers/audio/alsa-driver-1.0.15$ sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[07:49] <xonicx> WARNING: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/sound/acore/snd-page-alloc.ko': No such file or directory
[07:49] <xonicx> any idea how to fix this?
[07:49] <Zippy2> Magdin: theres something on google for it im sure
[07:49] <need_helpz> and the live disk detects but does not mount the storage device
[07:50] <Zippy2> xonicx: they dont like you pasting huge/many lines in the channel. you need to reinstall/compile your sound modules. theyre broken
[07:50] <Magdin> Zippy2: i tried to googled it without success.
[07:50] <Zippy2> try depmod -a as root first and modprobe again
[07:50] <nickrud> xonicx: sudo aptitude reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r)
[07:50] <gogeta> qwr /dev/sda is normaly the usb drive and /dev/hda internel
[07:50] <Zippy2> Magdin: i bet i can find it in 5 minutes
[07:50] <Zippy2> or less
[07:50] <JenFraggle> hwilde: doing that now
[07:50] <mohkohn> Is there a way to boot the livecd so you can install in textbased mode?
[07:50] <Zippy2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/99145
[07:50] <Tomcat_> mohkohn: The alternate CD has a textbased installer. That should be right for you.
[07:50] <hwilde_> Jordan_U, with only 2G of RAM my system was still locking up.  I installed icewm and now it has been up for 53 minutes
[07:50] <Zippy2> "big fonts ubuntu feisty"
[07:51] <Magdin> Zippy2: i bet you not! 4:50 in sydney, time starts now :)
[07:51] <nickrud> xonicx: that will reinstall all the kernel modules back to normal state
[07:51] <n2diy> mohkohn: yes, you should have function key options that tell you how, at the boot prompt.
[07:51] <Zippy2> Magdin: i did it already
[07:51] <Jordan_U> hwilde, Did you ever disable compiz?
[07:51] <Zippy2> change dpi to 96
[07:51] <Doomguy0505> How can you choose not to install compiz with ubuntu? My hard drive is at 1.9 gb right now
[07:51] <hwilde_> JenFraggle, you should make a backup of the file and if it doesn't work hit CTRL+ALT+F1 to go to terminal and restore
[07:51] <gogeta> hwilde_ most lockups are due to cmpiz
[07:51] <Magdin> and?
[07:51] <mohkohn> Tomcat_, coming slowly down the pipe on ktorrent
[07:51] <Zippy2> and restart gdm
[07:51] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> what i can remove directory? says: directory not full
[07:51] <hwilde_> gogeta, Jordan_U, I went to system preferences appearance and set it to None, and it still locked up.  if I killed X it spawned again and was ok
[07:52] <Magdin> Zippy2: can you give me url please?
[07:52] <Jordan_U> !minimal | Doomguy0505
[07:52] <ubotu> Doomguy0505: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[07:52] <Zippy2> Magdin: i did already
[07:52] <yokomo> is there a way to import windows or mac screensavers over to linux?
[07:52] <Zippy2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/99145
[07:52] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2:  what i can remove directory? says: directory not full
[07:52] <JenFraggle> hwilde: i've done a backup, am going to restart
[07:52] <hwilde_> Vov4ik[ubuntu], sudo rm <directory>
[07:52] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: if you are sure you want to remove the directory and everything inside of it you do rm -rf directory
[07:52] <Doomguy0505> ubotu: I mean a 7.04 to 7.10 upgrade, I'm not sure if 1.9 GiB is enough
[07:52] <Zippy2> id be pretty sure if i were you
[07:52] <nickrud> Doomguy0505: compiz is only a tiny fraction of the install, it won't make a real difference
[07:52] <Magdin> Zippy2: sorry didnt realize its for me
[07:52] <[Neurotic]> hi there, does anyone know of an issue where upgrading to Gutsy can cause ANT tasks in Eclipse to fail?
[07:52] <hwilde_> lol
[07:53] <mohkohn> 2 hours and 30 minutes to torrent a cd :(
[07:53] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> thank you
[07:53] <gogeta> yea including it in by defult as a forcast is being a problem
[07:53] <Zippy2> torrent is for suckers. i download the iso in ~10 min
[07:53] <gogeta> i
[07:53] <Zippy2> you have gigabit ftps and youre getting it off dialup people
[07:53] <n2diy> Doomguy0505: ubotu is a robot. :) 3 gig barely holds Dapper 6.06.
[07:53] <need_helpz> Zippy2: can i msg you 4 or 5 lines from `dmesg`
[07:53] <yokomo> is there a way to import windows or mac screensavers to linux?
[07:53] <Zippy2> need_helpz: sure. i cant reply though; im not registered
[07:53]  * nickrud would appreciate it if Zippy2 wouldn't make me jealous
[07:53] <need_helpz> k
[07:54] <Jordan_U> yokomo, No
[07:54] <hwilde_> !pastebin | need_helpz
[07:54] <ubotu> need_helpz: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:54] <JimmyDee> Zippy2, then register dood
[07:54] <gogeta> yokomo eer no who would linux has plenty of its own
[07:54] <Zippy2> i cant. someone stole my nick
[07:54] <Zippy2> nickrud: whats your isp?
[07:54]  * hwilde_ registers "Zippy2" real quick...
[07:54] <Doomguy0505> What is the UBUNTU 7.10 hard drive requirements when upgrading from 7.04
[07:54] <nickrud> Zippy2: att
[07:54] <Zippy2> stole=registered already
[07:54] <josss> hi,guys
[07:54] <Zippy2> nickrud: bandwidth?
[07:54] <yokomo> gogeta: I would, as i have some favorite screensavers
[07:54] <need_helpz> Zippy2: sent
[07:54] <nickrud> 2.5mbit
[07:54] <josss> what is "noapic" option?
[07:54] <JenFraggle> hwilde: made no difference, still came up with the same resolution
[07:54] <Zippy2> nickrud: location?
[07:54] <gorara> anyone know why suddenly my hard disk drives changed device names? my fstab remained the same..
[07:54] <nickrud> Zippy2: los angeles
[07:54] <gogeta> yokomo there screen savers lol what you do star at em
[07:54] <hwilde_> JenFraggle, what type of video card and monitor are you trying to run
[07:55] <Zippy2> nickrud: what do they have in la? comcast?
[07:55] <Zippy2> for cable
[07:55] <Lanken> are the mirrors down or something?   I edit /etc/motd but when i reboot my computer it changes back as it used to be
[07:55] <Jordan_U> Doomguy0505, Depends on how much you have installed
[07:55] <kaiou> hello everyone.. after a few hours of trying, I was able to get ubuntu to recognize my atheros card.  Now everytime i restart I have to enter the command "sudo iwconfig wlan0 key open".  How can I do it so iconfig save that command?  I've tried "sudo iwconfig wlan0 commit" but i get the same problem at restart.  can i run this command as soon as the system start?
[07:55] <JenFraggle> i never had any problems with feisty
[07:55] <nickrud> Zippy2: situation
[07:55] <hwilde> JenFraggle, do you have the ati drivers
[07:55] <hwilde> !ati | JenFraggle
[07:55] <need_helpz> Zippy2: what do you think?
[07:55] <ubotu> JenFraggle: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:55] <Doomguy0505> Jordan_U: Is there a list?
[07:55] <Zippy2> nickrud: id get out of that istuation if i were you
[07:56] <Zippy2> need_helpz: ididnt get your messages
[07:56] <need_helpz> :(
[07:56] <josss> anyone know about noapic?
[07:56] <Zippy2> try again
[07:56] <Jordan_U> Doomguy0505, I think it will tell you if you start the upgrade ( obviously you can cancel if it's too big )
[07:56] <JimmyDee> kaiou slip it in rc.local?
[07:56] <Zippy2> josss: not me
[07:56] <nickrud> Zippy2: heck, I'm just recently out of 3kbit, I'm not complaining, just jealous ;)
[07:56] <Jordan_U> !boot | josss
[07:56] <ubotu> josss: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[07:56] <Zippy2> nickrud: my gf had dialup until 6 months ago
[07:56] <gogeta> yokomo piss off people helping you smmoth move
[07:56] <need_helpz> Zippy2: [  637.132000] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:03.0 disabled
[07:57] <Zippy2> need_helpz: whats this
[07:57] <kaiou> JimmyDee.. where is the file rc.local... under /usr?
[07:57] <gorara> anyone know why a hdd device would randomly change names? form /dev/sdx to /dev/sdy?
[07:57] <need_helpz> pastebin
[07:57] <Zippy2> kaiou: /etc/rc.local
[07:57] <hwilde> kaiou, /etc
[07:57] <need_helpz> sry one sec
[07:57] <JimmyDee> kaiou, /etc
[07:57] <gorara> *from
[07:57] <Doomguy0505> What's the extra 2 GB of ubuntu got in it anyway?
[07:57] <nickrud> Zippy2: for about a year I kept an unstable up to date over 3k, so I enjoy what I have
[07:57] <Jordan_U> !UUID | gorara
[07:57] <ubotu> gorara: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[07:57] <need_helpz> Zippy2: http://pastebin.com/m10d453c7
[07:57] <hwilde> kaiou, type in "locate rc.local" and it will show you the location
[07:58] <Zippy2> need_helpz: the problem is it isn't showing a device for your hard drive?
[07:58] <Casey_> if I wanted to install xubuntu-desktop, could i switch between ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop easily?  I just want to try out xfce and see which I like better
[07:58] <need_helpz> usb harddrive
[07:58] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: i can connect to ftp server with command 'ftp localhost', but i can't connect to it with explorer or mozilla x(
[07:58] <need_helpz> ext3 partition
[07:58] <Zippy2> need_helpz: enclosure?
[07:58] <JenFraggle> hwilde: strange, it was showing as enabled in restricted manager yesterday and things didn't work.  today it is showing as not enabled and things are exactly the same
[07:58] <need_helpz> yep
[07:58] <Svish> Places -> Connect to Server makes a folder thing on my desktop. Which is good. But how can I get to that folder in the terminal? It doesn't show up under Desktop...
[07:58] <n2diy> Doomguy0505: Openoffice
[07:58] <Zippy2> need_helpz: change jumper
[07:58] <nickrud> Casey: yes, you'd just choose one or the other on the login screen
[07:58] <hwilde> Casey_, all you have to do is log out and hit Options in the bottom corner
[07:58] <need_helpz> its on master
[07:58] <need_helpz> can't be anything else
[07:58] <Zippy2> need_helpz: set to slave
[07:58] <need_helpz> k
[07:58] <JimmyDee> Casey, just choose one or the other ...yeah what he said
[07:58] <Zippy2> need_helpz: which enclosure?
[07:58] <need_helpz> ill try
[07:58] <Tem> UARGH!
[07:58] <kaiou> JimmyD and Zippy2 thank you for your help  :).. now i can start enjoying my Gusty.
[07:58] <gogeta> Casey_ you can just install xfce
[07:58] <Zippy2> kaiou: np
[07:58] <Tem> My mouse freezes within 2 minutes every time
[07:58] <need_helpz> Zippy2: it worked before the update killed my install
[07:59] <gogeta> Casey_ but yes you can
[07:59] <need_helpz> Zippy2: but ill give it a try one sec
[07:59] <Robotchicken1886> Hey everyone
[07:59] <Doomguy0505> n2diy: Openoffice is only about 200 mb
[07:59] <Casey_> I know I can install JUST xfce4 and do that, but if I install xubuntu-desktop i can do it also?
[07:59] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: i can connect to ftp server with command 'ftp localhost', but i can't connect to it with explorer or mozilla x(
[07:59] <hwilde> JenFraggle, your best chance is with the ati drivers or install the fglrx package
[07:59] <nickrud> Casey: yes, I have that and a few others installed
[07:59] <gogeta> Casey_ yea i beleve so
[07:59] <Tem> I found a thread or two about it, and they seem to think that the nvidia proprietary driver is to blame.  However, I've disabled it and I still get the freezes.
[07:59] <hwilde> Casey_, just use synaptic it is easy
[07:59] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: whats the error
[07:59] <PwcrLinux> Hello all,  my booting up on screen  that says "[failed]" for the synching a atomic time server,  using breezy version..
[07:59] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: no errors x(
[07:59] <Zippy2> PwcrLinux: do you have an internet connection when it says failed
[08:00] <Casey_> hwilde: I actually like using apt-get better
[08:00] <beasty_> anyone knows what this is ?
[08:00] <nickrud> PwcrLinux: you are on breezy?
[08:00] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: then i cant help you
[08:00] <hwilde> Tem, you get freezes with nvidia?  I did too but I switched to icewm and it's been up for 62 minutes now!
[08:00] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: page cannot be displayed
[08:00] <n2diy> Doomguy0505: Well, that answered a 10th of your question!
[08:00] <PwcrLinux> Nick, yep
[08:00] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: what are you typing in internet explorer
[08:00] <Robotchicken1886> will WINE run any windows program
[08:00] <beasty_> ncsd gives me this
[08:00] <PwcrLinux> I am on cable internet
[08:00] <hwilde> Casey_, well all you have to do is logout and hit options select the session
[08:00] <Zippy2> Robotchicken1886: no
[08:00] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>
[08:00] <nickrud> PwcrLinux: you realize there are no more security updates for that one?
[08:00] <gogeta> Robotchicken1886 no
[08:00] <Tem> hwilde: only my mouse freezes
[08:00] <beasty_> 24648: considering GETGRBYNAME entry "office_admin", timeout<PHONE_NUMBER>
[08:00] <gogeta> !appdb
[08:00] <ubotu> The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[08:00] <EvilAIM> who, enough users?
[08:00] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: are you typing that on the linux machine?
[08:00] <EvilAIM> sheebus
[08:00] <McOwnage> Hello I am new to linux/ubuntu I was wondering if someone can point me to where I can get info I want to make a webserver for forums and that can run teamspeak/ventrilo server a friend gave me Ubuntu ver 5.1 Thank you
[08:00] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: yes
[08:00] <PwcrLinux> nick, yea how I set up for manually time servers
[08:00] <JenFraggle> hwilde: i already have both of them.  looks like i'll be going back to feisty.  gutsy hasn't impressed me so far, i can't get wireless on my laptop either
[08:00] <hwilde> !lampp | McOwnage
[08:00] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: and what does it say when you click go?
[08:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lampp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:00] <need_helpz> Zippy2: no detection with jumper in slave, checked via dmesg
[08:00] <EvilAIM> weee
[08:00] <mohkohn> Is kernel 2.2.23 available in backports?
[08:00] <need_helpz> it has to be in master
[08:01] <PwcrLinux> R0b; yep
[08:01] <hwilde> JenFraggle, wait this happened during the upgrade??
[08:01] <EvilAIM> This is weird
[08:01] <Tem> hwilde: and it doesn't appear that the nvida driver was the blame at all since I've disabled it and my mouse froze faster than normal
[08:01] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: Beginning ftp transaction...
[08:01] <Zippy2> need_helpz: weird, usb-storage should detect it
[08:01] <Tem> s/faster/just as fast/
[08:01] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: Loading...
[08:01] <EvilAIM> Well, this is weird...   I had that problem but now with icewm it is stable (atleast for the last hour)
[08:01] <Zippy2> need_helpz: what is it
[08:01] <Magdin> Zippy2: thanks a lot mate, my problem has gone!
[08:01] <need_helpz> Zippy2: what is what?
[08:01] <Zippy2> Magdin: good
[08:01] <Tem> hwilde: bug.... I like gnome
[08:01] <Zippy2> need_helpz: what is usb-storage if its not a binary
[08:01] <Tem> but*
[08:01] <r0b-> PwcrLinux what disto u run?
[08:02] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: ftp://<IP_ADDRESS> << not works too
[08:02] <n2diy> Jordan_U: no, but I like to hear stupid ideas!?
[08:02] <PwcrLinux> nick, I uses manually to set a atomic synched in the date/clock settings.
[08:02] <hwilde> Tem, me too but I am trying to isolate the error
[08:02] <xonicx> due to some reason my sound card(couldntIntel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family))get configured while ubuntu 7.10 installation. How do i configure my sound card?
[08:02] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: *doesn't works
[08:02] <PwcrLinux> R0b, Breezy
[08:02] <dev7> bogor
[08:02] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: did you try ftping with ftp? if it works with ftp it should work with everything else
[08:02] <r0b-> :o
[08:02] <r0b-> thats OLD!
[08:02] <Zippy2> maybe its trying to use passive mode or something and thats failing
[08:02] <r0b-> upgrade :)
[08:02] <user__> What codecs do I need in Kubuntu gutsy for kaffiene to play .flv files?
[08:02] <McOwnage> what do you mean !lampp ?
[08:02] <Jordan_U> n2diy, Have you already heard about my incredibly borked apt?
[08:02] <need_helpz> Zippy2: no clue i did `find` and i see module, unbind, etc.. but not a usb-storage binary
[08:02] <PwcrLinux> R0b, yea, I better wait till the HD died..
[08:02] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2:
[08:02] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> user@ubuntu:/home/eggdrop1.6.18$ ftp localhost
[08:02] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Connected to localhost.
[08:02] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> .....
[08:02] <r0b-> ?
[08:02] <nickrud> PwcrLinux: you'd set up ntp, I have an empty file for that config and don't off-hand know what breezy did, I moved on over a year and a half ago
[08:03] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: does it ask for a username?
[08:03] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> yes
[08:03] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: did you login successfluly as anonymous or ftp
[08:03] <hwilde> Tem, I like gnome too, I am just trying to isolate where is the problem.  I think it is metacity and compiz fusion.    I logged in and started a full screen game with full 3d graphics and played for awhile, but simply dragging a window around real fast can crash the window manager.
[08:03] <PwcrLinux> Nick, yea.. I saw ntp.conf just empty
[08:03] <Zippy2> maybe anonymous ftp is disabled
[08:03] <JimmyDee> Jordan_U,  define borked apt
[08:03] <Zippy2> did you tryi t with a username?
[08:03] <hwilde> JenFraggle, pastebin your xorg.conf file
[08:03] <n2diy> Jordan_U: Not reallly, the servers may be overloaded? I'm running 6.06 so I haven't run apt-get in months.
[08:03] <Zippy2> that is not anonymous
[08:03] <EvilAIM> Wow, this got complex.  haha
[08:03] <hwilde> JenFraggle, I can't believe that going back to feisty would fix this
[08:03] <hwilde> !downgrade | JenFraggle
[08:03] <ubotu> JenFraggle: Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[08:03] <nickrud> PwcrLinux: you can get a sync at startup using /etc/default/ntpdate
[08:03] <Zippy2> need_helpz: i dont know
[08:04] <need_helpz> :(
[08:04] <Zippy2> need_helpz: is the hard drive broken?
[08:04] <PwcrLinux> nick, let me check
[08:04] <xonicx> Zippy2: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel returns wihtout error but alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[08:04] <JenFraggle> i would clean install
[08:04] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: what's password is for anonymouse ?
[08:04] <Jordan_U> JimmyDee, n2diy For example, apt thinks that there is no installation candidate for the package "dpkg", yes I have my sources.list setup correctly :)
[08:04] <hwilde> Jordan_U, how can I get pure gnome without metacity or compiz ?
[08:04] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: anonymous is disabled by default. use a user in /etc/passwd
[08:04] <Zippy2> not root either
[08:04] <hwilde> JenFraggle, does the livecd display in the correct resolution
[08:04] <EvilAIM> Wow, this irssi is boss
[08:04] <JimmyDee> Jordan_U, I heard this earlier, try sudo apt-get install dpkg-*
[08:05] <nickrud> PwcrLinux: to be honest, I let ubuntu take care of that. Haven't had to configure time server on my machine since warty
[08:05] <JenFraggle> haven't got a gutsy disc to try
[08:05] <McOwnage> what do you mean !lampp ?
[08:05] <Zippy2> xonicx: modprobe snd-mixer-oss?
[08:05] <JenFraggle> http://pastebin.ca/748868
[08:05] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: logged in as user successfully
[08:05] <hwilde> JenFraggle, how did you upgrade then... oh
[08:05] <Zippy2> oops snd_mixer_oss
[08:05] <user__> What do I need to do  to play .flv in Kubuntu gutsy?
[08:05] <Jordan_U> hwilde, You can't have gnome without a window manager, simplest thing to do would be to have "yourWMofchoice --replace" as a session startup
[08:05] <PwcrLinux> Nick, Yep, it's there..  ntp.ubuntulinux.org
[08:05] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: so thats why ftp:// doesnt work. its trying anonymous and there is no anonymous user. you need to do ftp://user@ip
[08:05] <Doomguy0505> Oh yay, repositories are broken
[08:05] <hwilde> Jordan_U, how do I make it gnome and not metacity by default
[08:06] <Zippy2> Doomguy0505: use another repository
[08:06] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: okay, i'll try it
[08:06] <xonicx> rakesh@rakesh-laptop:~$ sudo modprobe snd-mixer-oss
[08:06] <xonicx> rakesh@rakesh-laptop:~$ alsamixer
[08:06] <xonicx> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[08:06] <PwcrLinux> Nick, pool string on the default commented out
[08:06] <Zippy2> draconius: underscore not dash
[08:06] <Zippy2> snd_mixer_oss
[08:06] <Zippy2> oops xonics
[08:06] <Zippy2> xonicx
[08:06] <Svish> hm
[08:06] <nickrud> PwcrLinux: in gutsy its ntp.ubuntu.com
[08:06] <hwilde> JenFraggle, umm those @ signs are not right  hold on
[08:06] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: it works! thank you! =(
[08:06] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: * =)
[08:06] <Svish> How can I access the connected servers on my desktop through the terminal?
[08:06] <nickrud> PwcrLinux: but you really ought to upgrade to dapper
[08:07] <JimmyDee> Jordan_U, any luck?
[08:07] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: na zdroviyah or something
[08:07] <PwcrLinux> nick, maybe I could add 2nd time server..
[08:07] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: >> na zdorovje << =)
[08:07] <Zippy2> :)
[08:07] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: okay :)
[08:07] <fbn> how can I send a message to another logged in user on a linux box?
[08:07] <Zippy2> write
[08:07] <Jordan_U> JimmyDee, How is that supposed to fix anything? I don't want to run it and risk borking dpkg as well
[08:08] <JimmyDee> Jordan_U, it wont install anything without you saying yes
[08:08] <hwilde> JenFraggle, that whole file is messed up the secions at the bottom that say    Section "device" #   that needs to be filled in
[08:08] <Zippy2> swirv: ?
[08:08] <EvilAIM> My question is: is there anyway to remove the border from the console/terminal?  I'm using X and gnome in ubuntu fiesty.
[08:08] <Zippy2> swish
[08:08] <PwcrLinux> brb
[08:08] <fbn> Zippy2: thx
[08:08] <EvilAIM> I just want to remove the top bit and everything around the window.
[08:08] <Jordan_U> JimmyDee, I know, I'm booting now to try it
[08:09]  * Tem screams in frustration
[08:09] <Zippy2> EViLGiMp: probably in gnome settings
[08:09] <Tem> I just want my damned mouse to work
[08:09] <JenFraggle> i have to go to work now, will you be around in approx 10 hours?
[08:09] <johnn1> Plugs ears.
[08:09] <Zippy2> evilaim
[08:09] <thedefender> anyone know if you can use Direct Rendering dual heads using the new FGLRX
[08:09] <EvilAIM> gimp?
[08:09] <EvilAIM> hehe
[08:09] <EvilAIM> Where are the gnome settings?
[08:09] <corrupt> i'm getting and error when i try to start ubuntu, when GRUB begins loading it get error 17
[08:09] <Jordan_U> JimmyDee, Just gives me dependency errors
[08:09] <Zippy2> gnome-control-center?
[08:09] <corrupt> any ideas on what my problem is and how to correct it?
[08:09]  * Doomguy0505 screams in absolute frustration, but the software channels still won't update
[08:09] <hwilde> JenFraggle, try the command at the top of the file "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"     and it will build you a correct file
[08:10] <JimmyDee> Jordan_U, hrm, its borked alright
[08:10] <PwcrLinux> back
[08:10] <JimmyDee> Jordan_U, it doesnt try to give you dpkg-dev or anything?
[08:10] <JenFraggle> I've saved a transcript as I'm just shutting down.  thanks for the help, i'll try when i get in from work
[08:10] <Zippy2> who has dpkg problems
[08:10] <Jordan_U> JimmyDee, How is dpkg-dev going to help me?
[08:11] <Zippy2> download a tgz, unpack in / and download a dpkg deb and dpkg -i it
[08:11] <hwilde> Jordan_U, I missed your problem what started all of this
[08:11] <Jordan_U> Zippy2, I am having the dpkg problems, and they are much more complicated than that :)
[08:11] <JimmyDee> Jordan_U, I'm just asking is it trying to give you dpkg-anything
[08:11] <Zippy2> Jordan_U: reinstall
[08:11] <McOwnage> hwilde what do you mean !lampp
[08:12] <hwilde> !lampp
[08:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lampp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:12] <Jordan_U> JimmyDee, It does
[08:12] <hwilde> McOwnage, sry!
[08:12] <hwilde> !xampp
[08:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xampp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:12] <PwcrLinux> oh nickrud gone, did he gone to bed?
[08:12] <JimmyDee> Jordan_U, in the words of a MCSE I once knew. reinstall everything
[08:12] <hwilde> Hey what is the keyword for ubotu xampp lampp ?
[08:12] <JimmyDee> !xampp
[08:12] <hwilde> McOwnage, you want to install lampp or xampp.  it is a webserver and everything else all together
[08:13] <Zippy2> hm 3:1am
[08:13] <McOwnage> opk TY will try will return if i need more help seems the room is crouded lol
[08:13] <JimmyDee> Jordan_U, k I just dont know man
[08:13] <Zippy2> should i make coffee now and finish milk now or get coffee at 5am and buy more milk then
[08:13] <JimmyDee> Zippy2, skip the milk, just do the coffee with an IV rig
[08:13] <Layer8> hello all!
[08:13] <hwilde> Jordan_U, what is wrong with the dpkg
[08:13] <Zippy2> JimmyDee: i make it too dark to iv
[08:14] <Zippy2> ill od
[08:14] <JimmyDee> lol
[08:14] <JimmyDee> !mainline java
[08:14] <Layer8> can I get a monitor running which is plugged in during a session?
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mainline java - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <Jordan_U> hwilde, Nothing, it's just apt that's borkd
[08:14] <EvilAIM> This entire OS is bitchin'.
[08:14] <xonicx> rakesh@rakesh-laptop:~$ sudo modprobe snd_mixer_oss
[08:14] <xonicx> rakesh@rakesh-laptop:~$ alsamixer
[08:14] <xonicx> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[08:14] <mohkohn> After working with slackware for the last two hours I have come to the conclusion I can best use it to download ubuntu and burn the iso to a cd.
[08:15] <mohkohn> Then install ubuntu of course :)
[08:15] <JimmyDee> mohkohn, you go guy
[08:15] <Jordan_U> xonicx, Why are you loading an OSS module then trying to use an ALSA mixer?
[08:15] <hwilde> Jordan_U, I'm going to try to get back into gnome...
[08:15] <Zippy2> xonicx: apt-get install oss-compat
[08:15] <Doomguy0505> Bah! Damn you update 23!
[08:15] <PwcrLinux> PCM works on sound
[08:15] <faLUCE>  hi. maybe a difficoult question: is it possible to know since how many hours is a process active?
[08:15] <Zippy2> faLUCE: ps -axuww
[08:16] <Zippy2> it's argument 9
[08:16] <xonicx> sorry.  I have always used alsa. Install oss-compact now. How to start mixer?
[08:16] <Zippy2> ps -axuww|awk '{print $9}'
[08:16] <fiveofoh> Hey, does anyone know what the config file for GNOME keybindings is?
[08:16] <eizo> ist hier auch einer der Deutsch spricht ?
[08:16] <JimmyDee> xonicx, google oss-mixer
[08:16] <Zippy2> yeah that oss probably didnt do anything
[08:16] <Zippy2> uninstall it. i use it for mpg123
[08:16] <macogw> anyone noticed that gutsy + flash + gran paradiso = sound that's doubled (like you hear everything twice like when people sing a song in a round) and the sound doesn't stop after you close whatever tab the Flash video is playing in?
[08:16] <fiveofoh> I want to be able to switch between two sets of keybindings via a shell script
[08:16] <fdr> Hi! How do I use sound-juicer to make mp3 from a cd? I asked !mp3 to ubotu but I couldn't find the information on those links. Thank you!
[08:16] <Zippy2> xonicx: ls -al /dev/mixer*. anything?
[08:17] <macogw> fdr: install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:17] <n2diy> Jordan_U: Did you get an answer? I had to step out for a little bit. I "think" apt-get uses dpkg, so maybe it can't upgrade itself?
[08:17] <DarkMorph> a friend says logging in as root fails but sudo works, any ideas?
[08:17] <macogw> n2diy: it does, but it can
[08:17] <xonicx> rakesh@rakesh-laptop:~$ ls -al /dev/mixer*
[08:17] <xonicx> ls: /dev/mixer*: No such file or directory
[08:17] <Zippy2> DarkX: make him a user account and add him to sudoers
[08:17] <Doomguy0505> This must have to be the most frustrating ubuntu upgrade... ever
[08:17] <faLUCE> Zippy2: but where can i specify the name of the process?
[08:17] <DarkX> huh wut
[08:17] <n2diy> macogw: roger that, thanks.
[08:17] <JimmyDee> DarkMorph, logging in at the gui? or console?
[08:17] <macogw> DarkMorph: there is no root on ubuntu
[08:17] <fiveofoh> Doomguy0505: I am soooo pleased with gutsy
[08:17] <DarkMorph> both terminal and virtual terminal
[08:17] <fiveofoh> It's been a welcome upgrade for me
[08:17] <Zippy2> faLUCE: ps -axuww|grep processname and then look
[08:18] <TL_CLD_> Hey all. New to Ubuntu, trying to get Evolution to work with my .ics calendars located on a SMB share. Is this possible? I can't seem to figure out how to get to them.
[08:18] <DarkMorph> su - fails and true root login fails
[08:18] <DarkMorph> wtf no root?
[08:18] <JimmyDee> macogw, type sudo su root and see who you are
[08:18] <Jordan_U> n2diy, No, it can. For some reason apt has lost it but dpkg is fine.... my crazy idea is to try to install ubuntu-desktop using only dpkg :)
[08:18] <Tem> you can get root if you go down to runlevel 1...
[08:18] <Tem> but that's about it
[08:18] <Doomguy0505> Well for some reason the software channels cannot upgrade
[08:18] <macogw> JimmyDee: that doesnt make the account any less locked
[08:18] <alveola> хай
[08:18] <faLUCE> thnks Zippy2
[08:18] <EvilAIM> dark.  Don't use su, use sudo
[08:18] <DarkMorph> wait why O_o
[08:18] <chris_> einen schönen guten morgen
[08:18] <chris_> ^^
[08:18] <Zippy2> xonicx: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh alsa-base?
[08:18] <macogw> DarkMorph: that account is locked.  if you were trying to crack a linux box, you *know* the user you want is called "root" right?  so you just brute force the password.  this way, they have to know your username AND your password
[08:18] <DarkMorph> no I'm on gentoo it's my friend on ubuntu
[08:18] <fiveofoh> Anyone - ketbindings config file?
[08:18] <Zippy2> wait
[08:18] <fiveofoh> *keybindings
[08:18] <Doomguy0505> Heh, I didn't notice in my anger
[08:19] <Zippy2> doesnt work
[08:19] <DarkMorph> so sudo everything then..
[08:19] <hwilde> Jordan_U, Tem,  if you kill metacity from the command and replace it, you will see error messages.  Maybe this is why it is freezing:     "$ metacity --replace
[08:19] <hwilde> Window manager warning: Received a _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE message for 0x2400004 (System Mon); these messages lack timestamps and therefore suck."
[08:19] <thedefender> anyone know about enabling Direct Rendering on ATI FLGRX for dual heads.
[08:19] <macogw> DarkMorph: exactly
[08:19] <DarkMorph> ok that would work thanks guys
[08:19] <n2diy> Jordan_U: Get real! :) If dpkg is munged, your done.
[08:19] <chris_> kann mir jemand kurz einige fragen beantworten.
[08:19] <PwcrLinux> oh well, I guess nickrud might be in the bed.. I'll come back later.. good night all :)
[08:19] <xonicx> rakesh@rakesh-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh alsa-base
[08:19] <xonicx> rakesh@rakesh-laptop:~$ alsamixer
[08:19] <xonicx> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[08:19] <Tem> hwilde: thanks, I'll try
[08:19] <thedefender> !dualheads
[08:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dualheads - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:19] <Zippy2> xonicx: sudo alsaconf
[08:19] <thedefender> !dualhead
[08:19] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[08:20] <Jordan_U> n2diy, Again, dpkg is just fine :)
[08:20] <macogw> thedefender: i'm thinking it's very very likely to be highly painful
[08:20] <Casey_> whats the terminal command to delete something?
[08:20] <hwilde> Casey_,  rm
[08:20] <JimmyDee> casey rm
[08:20] <xonicx> rakesh@rakesh-laptop:~$ sudo alsaconf
[08:20] <xonicx> sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[08:20] <xonicx> i dont think ubuntu uses alsaconf.
[08:20] <Jordan_U> !terminal | Casey
[08:20] <ubotu> Casey: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[08:20] <macogw> thedefender: based entirely on the fact that your question includes the letters "a", "t", and "i" in that order
[08:20] <faLUCE> Zippy2:
[08:20] <faLUCE> paolo@paolo-desktop:~$  ps -axuww | awk '{print $9}'
[08:20] <faLUCE> Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html
[08:20] <Jordan_U> xonicx, asoundconf
[08:20] <Doomguy0505> That's really strange, the download rate is more than 54 kbytes/s
[08:20] <Zippy2> wtf isnt - posix
[08:20] <n2diy> Jordan_U: OK!?  Have you ever run into the "dependicies from hell" issue?
[08:20] <hwilde> xonicx, /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf ?
[08:20] <macogw> Zippy2: yes
[08:21] <macogw> Zippy2: why?
[08:21] <Zippy2> xonicx: okay. um. cd /dev;MAKEDEV mixer
[08:21] <Cryx> Heya guys, i have a question... I edit /etc/motd but when i reboot my computer it changes back as it used to be (default)
[08:21] <hwilde> faLUCE,  ps -waux
[08:21] <Zippy2> mcog: <faLUCE> Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See
[08:21] <thedefender> macogw:there is nothing wrong with ATI
[08:21] <Casey_> So if I want to remove a directory?
[08:21] <Tem> hwilde: I don't get any errors when I replace metacity
[08:21] <kuzmaster> So a friend asked me this: What is the point of linux? So heres my question, what is the point of linux?
[08:21] <xonicx> asoundconf is there.
[08:21] <JimmyDee> Cryx, did you sudo edit it?
[08:21] <macogw> thedefender: yes there is.  they make bad drivers (on any os), and their linux ones are even worse than their windows ones
[08:21] <Zippy2> kuzmaster: it's free
[08:21] <Cryx> no, edited as a root
[08:21] <macogw> Zippy2: oh there's two different ways to use ps
[08:21] <hwilde> Tem, you will :)  try moving a window around real fast
[08:21] <Jordan_U> n2diy, Yes, that is why I know that trying to install all of ubuntu-desktop without a package manager is insane... but I am going to do it anyway :)
[08:21] <Tem> hwilde: with what mouse? =P
[08:21] <thedefender> macogw: well you get what you pay for
[08:22] <brad__> hey everybody
[08:22] <brad__> Stanley132 here
[08:22] <xonicx> rakesh@rakesh-laptop:/dev$ sudo MAKEDEV mixer
[08:22] <xonicx> udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/
[08:22] <xonicx> /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "mixer"
[08:22] <Zippy2> xonicx: try that
[08:22] <n2diy> Jordan_U: OK!!!!!! GL
[08:22] <Zippy2> asoundconf?
[08:22] <brad__> Zippy2: I'm done installing Ubuntu now, having some problems with my graphics though
[08:22] <thedefender> anyone here got Direct Rendering to work on dual heads with FGLRX
[08:22] <JimmyDee> brad__, define some problems
[08:22] <Zippy2> /etc/init.d/alsa force-unload? then start it?
[08:22] <hwilde> Tem, I apt-get removed metacity and compiz and then reinsstalled metacity.  it seems ok now, but if I move a window around real fast i get those errors
[08:23] <macogw> thedefender: if you mean "because you dont pay for linux" please note that these are drivers that *ati* makes, not ones that are made by the open source community.  the open source drivers for their old cards are *very* good. their binary fglrx ones are crap.  they recently (yesterday?) released some that use AIGLX and therefore should work as well for compositing as nvidia or intel do
[08:23] <n2diy> Jordan_U: Wait, have you tried Synaptic?
[08:23] <brad__> I have a geforce 7950 GT KO and I'm running dual 19" lcd monitors. I can't get them to both work properly.
[08:23] <JimmyDee> Jordan_U, or aptitude?
[08:23] <brad__> I would like it to be 1024x768 with a horizontal span
[08:23] <Jordan_U> n2diy, Yes, it's just a front end for apt, as is aptitude, neither deals with dpkg directly :(
[08:23] <Zippy2> is apt-get becoming deprecated for aptitude
[08:24] <hwilde> brad__, sudo nivida-settings
[08:24] <Doomguy0505> Do you have to use the alternate cd to do a cd upgrade?
[08:24] <Jordan_U> Zippy2, That is not possible :)
[08:24] <Zippy2> doesnt aptitude have super cow powers or something
[08:24] <Layer8> can I get a monitor running which is plugged in during a session??
[08:24] <Jordan_U> Zippy2, That's apt
[08:24] <Layer8> does noone know about that?!
[08:24] <fiveofoh> Layer8: Yes
[08:24] <hwilde> !alternate | Doomguy0505
[08:24] <ubotu> Doomguy0505: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[08:24] <Zippy2> o of course
[08:24] <fiveofoh> Layer8: xrandr is your friend
[08:24] <xonicx> rakesh@rakesh-laptop:/dev$ asoundconf list
[08:24] <xonicx> Names of available sound cards:
[08:24] <thedefender> macogw: thats the reason i am trying to use the binary now
[08:24] <macogw> Zippy2: apt-get now behaves like aptitude in regards to "recommends"...er well not "now" but in december in debian sid, it will switch
[08:24] <JimmyDee> !super moocow powers
[08:24] <Tem> I'm gonna try another reboot to attempt to hold onto my mouse long enough to test this ><
[08:24] <fiveofoh> If you're running Gutsy
[08:24] <xonicx> i am afraid i dont have sound card driver installed
[08:24] <Zippy2> xonicx: run as root
[08:24] <jotil> umm i can't find xserver-xconf
[08:24] <n2diy> Jordan_U: JimmyDee, or, delete your apt/cache directory, and try again?
[08:24] <hwilde> Layer8, monitors are traditionally not PlugNPlay devices...
[08:24] <fiveofoh> Layer8: Are you registered?
[08:25] <xonicx> rakesh@rakesh-laptop:/dev$ sudo asoundconf list
[08:25] <xonicx> Please note that you are attempting to run asoundconf as a privileged superuser, which may have unintended consequences.
[08:25] <xonicx> Names of available sound cards:
[08:25] <thedefender> macowgw: want a cube on each monitor
[08:25] <macogw> thedefender: huh? i just said their binary fglrx are crap and their open source ones are great.  the open source ones don't work for newer cards though.
[08:25] <Layer8> fiveofoh: i know about that tool...but what if the monitor is plugged in while X is running?
[08:25] <macogw> thedefender: the aiglx ones they just released are *not* in ubuntu
[08:25] <Doomguy0505> So I can't use the LiveCD for an offline upgrade?
[08:25] <fiveofoh> Layer8: Hmm I don't know, I would think it would work
[08:25] <macogw> Doomguy0505: no, you need the alternate cd
[08:25] <Layer8> fiveofoh: xrandr is just for changing the rotation / res
[08:25] <fiveofoh> But I'm not sure, you could try :D
[08:25] <Zippy2> i dont know xon
[08:25] <brad__> it's telilng me to Restart the X server, how do i do that
[08:25] <brad__> ?
[08:25] <Zippy2> brad__: logout
[08:25] <jotil> when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xconf, it says the package is missing and i can't apt-get it either.
[08:25] <brad__> k
[08:25] <brad__> brb
[08:25] <brad__> thanks
[08:26] <Gohan> Ok so i started installing gutsy via the text loader and it started saying that it could not find files (//cdrom/pool/XXX)
[08:26] <fiveofoh> Layer8: No, the new version of xrandr (in Gutsy) can change screens and all kinds of fancy whizbang
[08:26] <macogw> jotil: it's xserver-xorg
[08:26] <JimmyDee> brad__, ctrl - alt - backspace
[08:26] <Gohan> Any thoughts?
[08:26] <Layer8> brad__: contr + alt + backspace
[08:26] <Zippy2> doesnt logging out restart the xorg servre?
[08:26] <Zippy2> gdm respawns right?
[08:26] <macogw> Zippy2: depends on if you set it to do that or not
[08:26] <n2diy> Zippy2: yes
[08:26] <Zippy2> ok
[08:26] <jotil> macogw: thanks
[08:26] <fiveofoh> Layer8: xrandr --output VGA --mode 1280x960 --output LVDS --off
[08:26] <Zippy2> thought so
[08:26] <JimmyDee> gohan, shut off the cd rom line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:26] <thedefender> macogw: i know, i just installed the new drivers, the are running fine and i have dual heads up but i have no Direct Rendering at the moment and after i fix that need to figure out how to allow DirectRendering on both monitors
[08:26] <macogw> Zippy2: yes, gdm (usually) respawns...sometimes it doesn't....race condition maybe
[08:27] <fiveofoh> Will switch to the ext monitor, I haven't tried with it being plugged in during the session tho
[08:27] <fiveofoh> It's worth a try
[08:27] <macogw> thedefender: ahh ok.  um is dri enabled in modules?
[08:27] <Zippy2> is ctrl-alt-bs considered safe?
[08:27] <Gohan> jimmydee, im super new to linux in general... i dont know how to do that
[08:27] <macogw> Zippy2: yes, it's how you restart the X server
[08:27] <thedefender> macogw:checking
[08:27] <fiveofoh> thedefender: one big cube vs. individual cubes is controlled in the adv. settings manager
[08:27] <fiveofoh> It's an option in the cube plugin
[08:27] <Zippy2> macogw: its a terminate command, not shutdown, right?
[08:27] <macogw> fiveofoh: he has no compositing
[08:27] <fiveofoh> Wait, then how does he do a cube?
[08:28] <macogw> Zippy2: what? ctrl alt bksp restarts X.  ctrl alt del twice restarts the system
[08:28] <macogw> fiveofoh: he cant yet.  that's teh problem
[08:28] <UTD_Zac> So I'm having trouble getting my nvidia drivers to work. I just learned how to shutdown X, now i need to know how to actually install the drivers, someone said to use apt-get? I'm very new to linux.
[08:28] <Zippy2> does it term or kill?
[08:28] <Tem> *sigh*
[08:28] <fiveofoh> Ahh, well once you get compositing figured out, that's how you do it ;)
[08:28] <thedefender> macogw: its weird, there is nothing in my modules section of the xorg
[08:28] <macogw> Zippy2: kill i think
[08:28] <brad__> When I do the sudo nvidia-settings I get a pop up message that says "You do not appear to be using the Nvidia x driver. Please configure your X configuration file ( 'just run nvidia-xconfig as root) and restart the X server"
[08:28] <JimmyDee> Zippy2, ctrl-alt-delete 8-10 times makes you a windows user
[08:28] <Zippy2> thought so
[08:28] <Tem> it took all of 3 minutes this time, but my mouse still froze
[08:28] <fiveofoh> Layer8: Have you tried xrandr?
[08:28] <Jordan_U> UTD_Zac, System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager
[08:28] <thedefender> macogw: just says Section "Module"  EndSection
[08:28] <macogw> thedefender: ah well yes that's a problem
[08:29] <brad__> So i go sudo nvidia-xconfig and it says it's switched, then i log out and log back in and try sudo nvidia-settings and it gives me the same error
[08:29] <Layer8> fiveofoh: yes - xrandr sees the monitot
[08:29] <Layer8> monitor
[08:29] <johnn1> Where is the list of shortcut keys.
[08:29] <Layer8> fiveofoh: is there a graphical tool for gnome?
[08:29] <fiveofoh> Layer8: Not that I know of
[08:29] <UTD_Zac> Jordan_U: Is that all? It's Enabled and set to "In Use"...
[08:29] <JimmyDee> Gohan, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list then about the 3rd or 4th line down is one that says cdrom in it, give it a # at the beginning of that line and save, then do your thing
[08:29] <macogw> thedefender: wait wtf.  i dont have a modules section in mine at all in gutsy...ok i need to explore the new xorg
[08:29] <fiveofoh> If I knew gnome, I would write one...I might try anyway
[08:29] <Jordan_U> UTD_Zac, That's all :)
[08:29] <fiveofoh> "Screens and Graphics" is crap
[08:30] <Tem> is there a command to restart the driver on my usb devices?
[08:30] <Tem> or even better, just one device?
[08:30] <macogw> thedefender: ok idk sorry.  things changed since feisty
[08:30] <thedefender> macogw: i followed the recently made howto exactly, but i did have my second monitor hooked up and i know ubuntu automatically starts mergedFB and clones when a second is detected so i think that might be an issue
[08:31] <macogw> thedefender: idk i only have one screen
[08:31] <Gohan> jimmydee, im trying to install.  Linux is not on my computer.  Currently i have a FRESH install of xp with 1200mb allocated to it on a fat system.  When trying to install linux on the rest of the drive i have this issue
[08:31] <brad__> Who helped me before with the nvidia drivers??/
[08:31] <JimmyDee> Gohan, youre installing off a cd you burned?
[08:31] <fiveofoh> thedefender: What's the question? I have dual screens...but I'm mostly using xrandr
[08:32] <simplechat> hey, i'm trying to get gmail working with evolution (atm i'm on kde with ubuntu), i'm trying imap (imap has been enabled in my account), however whenever i try i get a MAP command failed: [ALERT] Invalid credentials (Failure)
[08:32] <hwilde> ok it is definitely metacity that is freezing my system.  I can spike the cpu just by dragging a window around real fast.
[08:32] <Zippy2> if my xrandr says tmds-1 is disconnected, does that mean i have a dvi port?
[08:32] <simplechat> Even though i am using my correct password
[08:32] <Gohan> jimmydee, yeah burned the iso about an hour ago
[08:32] <brad__> Need some help here getting my Nvidia drivers working,
[08:32] <UTD_Zac> How do I update something in the Synaptic Package Manager? The only options I see is to INSTALL or REMOVAL
[08:32] <simplechat> i've tried both pop and imap
[08:32] <xonicx> Tthanks Zippy.  I just wanted to see how friendly ubuntu 7.10 is. let me tell you little bit of history. I downloaded whole 4.3 GB of ubuntu 7.10 but didnt check the md5sum before burning. that was the mistake i did. I started installing ubuntu and created a seperate partition with the help of installer. But due to some missing package. install aborted and it didnt install grub. So my windows also gone.  I booted with CD again and choose to install "only com
[08:32] <xonicx> 1. Installer should must install grub if it has affected windows boot partition.
[08:32] <xonicx> 2. Where is sound card configurator?
[08:32] <simplechat> neither works
[08:32] <JimmyDee> Gohan, try verifying it with the utility at the opening menu, betcha its roached
[08:33] <hwilde> Jordan_U, Tem, my machine survived for an hour in icewm, and I can play full screen graphics on dual monitors and the graphics card is fine.  but the default metacity... it doesn't survive at all
[08:33] <Zippy2> xonicx: windows is gone or you just cant boot it?
[08:33] <Gohan> jimmydee, i did the check disk thing and it returned no errors
[08:33] <macogw> xonicx: 4.3GB?  it's only like 690MB
[08:33] <xonicx> i was not able to boot in windows.
[08:33] <macogw> xonicx: that doesnt make it gone
[08:33] <Zippy2> xonicx: whats the error
[08:33] <xonicx> i downloaded ubuntu dvd
[08:33] <JimmyDee> Gohan, if its not finding the pool...methinks its bad
[08:33] <macogw> xonicx: "boot from first hard drive" on the ubuntu cd or a Super Grub Disk will get you into it, i think
[08:34] <macogw> xonicx: there's also reinstalling NT LDR from the windows install disk
[08:34] <fiveofoh> Layer8: I lied, grandr
[08:34] <fiveofoh> It's in synaptic
[08:34]  * fiveofoh cries tears of happiness
[08:34] <Gohan> jimmydee, this will be the 3rd 7.o disk i have burned and none of them work. WTF? what am i doing wrong?
[08:34] <fiveofoh> Layer8: Although I've setup hotkeys via compiz to switch between laptop and external monitor
[08:34] <UTD_Zac> Burn slower speed
[08:35] <Gohan> what program thats free?
[08:35] <JimmyDee> Gohan, dunno man, are they all throwing the same error, or new and interesting ones?
[08:35] <xonicx> thats okay.  They cant recover from boot failure and wont try ubuntu again.
[08:35] <Etherael> so, I have a crappy old machine I have been fiddling about with ubuntu on, I have gotten it where I want it in terms of applications etc, and now I want to install ubuntu on a better computer, question is, can I somehow use the list of apps on this old computer to direct the new computer what to install?
[08:35] <thedefender> fiveofoh: i just installed the new binaries from ATI, followed this howtohttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=575843, now X booted fine but i have no direct rendering. I have two heads running, one vga, one dvi, need to know howto allow both screens to use Directrendering. I am basically trying to allow  desktop effects on both screens
[08:35] <johnn1> Exactly..burning @ slower speeds validizes the burn
[08:35] <pina> holy mother of god
[08:35] <pina> 1246 users?~!?!
[08:35] <thedefender> pina: Welcome to Ubuntu
[08:35] <k1gw1> So it's essentially not possible to have two videocards and three monitors in ubuntu, huh?
[08:35] <JimmyDee> Etherael, why not rsync it to the new box as is?
[08:35] <Zippy2> xonicx: thats why they buy it with a new dell pc
[08:35] <Gohan> jimmydee, different ones... first it just would not load, then i got command strings, now with the txt loader it starts to install and then starts with the no file crap
[08:35] <brad__> Zippy2:  How do I get the Nvidia drivers working for my Geforce 7950 GT KO
[08:35] <pina> that is just crazy
[08:35] <Etherael> JimmyDee: The entire disk?
[08:35] <thedefender> !welcome | pina
[08:35] <ubotu> pina: Welcome to #ubuntu - the Ubuntu support channel.
[08:35] <fiveofoh> Aghhh
[08:35] <Zippy2> brad__: something about restricted drivers
[08:35] <JimmyDee> Etherael, its an idea
[08:36] <pina> thsanks
[08:36] <fiveofoh> grandr is being annoying and running away :(
[08:36] <JimmyDee> Gohan, maybe the cdrom in the machine is flaky?
[08:36] <brad__> Can somebody _please_ help me in setting up nvidia drivers?
[08:36] <xonicx> But its better to check for at least grub before partioning the hard disk. system will not become unusable for normal user if install fails.
[08:36] <Etherael> JimmyDee: When critical libs were being written over though, wouldn't that kind of hose the new system?
[08:36] <Gohan> i just loaded my priate ver of xp from it and i burned same ver of xp with it?
[08:36] <thedefender> brad_ :whats up
[08:37] <brad__> I can't change any settings on my screen resolutions and stuff right now
[08:37] <JimmyDee> Etherael, rsync it to a directory then chroot to the dir?
[08:37] <Zippy2> my gf wanted linux because a friend told her about it. i told her not to
[08:37] <k1gw1> brad__: what happened when you went to the restricted drivers manager?
[08:37] <JimmyDee> Etherael, its not my best idea I've ever had but I've done it
[08:37] <thedefender> brad_: are you using the restricted nvidia drivers or open
[08:37] <brad__> thedefender: I have dual monitors off of my GeForce 7950 Gt KO
[08:38] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> i can move directory /lalala from /etc to /home, if in home be folder /lalala
[08:38] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> ?
[08:38] <Etherael> JimmyDee: and then copy from the chroot to the version outside chroot? Surely there's some sort of ghosting utility in linux somewhere, that would be easier, no?
[08:38] <brad__> klgwl: How do i get into the restricted drivers manager?
[08:38] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: you can do whatever you want
[08:38] <brad__> klgwl: Sorry, I found it
[08:38] <fiveofoh> brad__: System->Admin->Restricted Drivers Manager
[08:38] <fiveofoh> or nm
[08:38] <JimmyDee> Etherael, I just forgot about the version outside the chroot
[08:38] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> unable to remove target: Is a directory
[08:39] <Etherael> I'll google it, there has to be.
[08:39] <hwilde> Vov4ik[ubuntu], cd ..
[08:39] <Tem> I give up for now
[08:39] <brad__> klgwl: It says Nvidia accelerated graphics driver (latest cards)  and says it is enabled and in use
[08:39] <Tem> back to windows with me
[08:39] <Tem> :(
[08:39] <hwilde> Tem, alternate window manager!
[08:39] <JimmyDee> Tem, dont go back to the dark side
[08:39] <hwilde> Tem, or just install gnome-desktop   and use that!
[08:39] <Gohan> well thanks guys im going to sleep now its taking to long
[08:39] <JimmyDee> Tem, sudo apt-get install gnome
[08:39] <Zippy2> viviersf: mv lala/* to /lalala or whatever. just copy in paste in nautiluus. its easier and you wont have files everywhere
[08:40] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]
[08:40] <viviersf> Zippy2, ?
[08:40] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> ?
[08:40] <hwilde> Tem,  so far for me jwm, icewm, gnome, and kde are all working fine.   the default however freezes up on me all the time, even after I uninstalled compiz.
[08:40] <viviersf> ah wrong person
[08:40] <Zippy2> gui
[08:40] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> what?
[08:40] <Zippy2> use the graphics to do it
[08:40] <Tem> hwilde, yeah, I tried uninstalling compiz and it made no difference =/
[08:40] <thedefender> whats the command to open the ATI Catalyst Control Center
[08:40] <sabe4baba> ubuntu is not letting me play music because the sound is not installed and when I check the sound in the administrative options, when I load the profile next time , it's stuck and I will not be able to open the desktop
[08:41] <brad__> klgwl: But I still can't get my resolution up, or both monitors working at the same time for that
[08:41] <Etherael> I knew there would be, easy
[08:41] <Etherael> G4L.
[08:41] <faLUCE>  hi. maybe a difficoult question: is it possible to know since how many hours is a process active?
[08:41] <xonicx> another issue with live cd:  Live CD detected that i need to use nvidia restricted driver for desktop effects. when i ried to install restricted driver, it asked for reboot.if i reboot, whole thing will be gone. so my point is how will i come to know to if restricted driver works on my system or not.
[08:41] <Etherael> ghost4linux
[08:41] <hwilde> Tem, it is metacity.   install gnome and try it works fine!
[08:41] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: i logged as user, and he says: premisson denied lalala
[08:41] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: sudo before mv
[08:41] <hwilde> Vov4ik[ubuntu], you really have no idea what you are doing you are going to break stuff
[08:41] <Tem> hwilde, you have convinced me to continue trying
[08:41] <Tem> besides, I hate to lose
[08:41] <brad__> f
[08:41] <hwilde> Tem, my machine is running great except for metacity
[08:41] <Zippy2> faLUCE: ps axuww and look for a date or time near the process on the right side
[08:41] <hwilde> Zippy2, you can't run that command with two w's
[08:41] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: unable to remove target: Is a directory
[08:41] <hwilde> just ps waux
[08:41] <Zippy2> you can in debian
[08:42] <Zippy2> it widens output
[08:42] <hwilde> lol double wide
[08:42] <thedefender> whats the command to open the ATI Catalyst Control Center
[08:42] <Zippy2> yep
[08:42] <thedefender> !CCC
[08:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ccc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:42] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: user@ubuntu:~/Desktop/eggdrop$ sudo mv scripts /root/eggdrop
[08:42] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> mv: inter-device move failed: `scripts' to `/root/eggdrop/scripts'; unable to remove target: Is a directory
[08:42] <JimmyDee> hwilde, easy wider!
[08:43] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: sudo cp -avpuR scripts /root/eggdrop and then rm -rf scripts
[08:43] <Etherael> actually apparently that's fraught with peril and I just had a way better idea, I'll setup the disks and then untar the OS from dodgy old machine to good new machine via ssh right onto the new disk, then just rerun grub install and it should be all good.
[08:43] <Zippy2> if you want to delete the original
[08:43] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: i copied some scripts with ftp to desktop, and i need to move it to /root/eggdrop.. thank you.
[08:43] <JimmyDee> Etherael, that should work
[08:43] <hwilde> Etherael, if you are going to do that skip the tar and just use dd
[08:43] <BernardB> How can I configure Firefox so, that it'll not open every media file with Totem?
[08:44] <Gorlist> Hi
[08:44] <Gorlist> quick question on 7.10
[08:44] <Zippy2> BernardB: gnome default application
[08:44] <Gorlist> I was going to do a fresh install of Ubuntu, and go from 7.4 64bit to 7.10 32bit
[08:44] <BernardB> Zippy2: What do you mean?
[08:44] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: user@ubuntu:/root/eggdrop$  sudo cp -avpuR scripts /root/eggdrop
[08:44] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> cp: `scripts' and `/root/eggdrop/scripts' are the same file
[08:44] <Zippy2> BernardB: gnome ontrolcenter
[08:45] <Gorlist> is 7.10 working fine? and will my Evolution emails folder work fine if I copy over to new install?
[08:45] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: its copied
[08:45] <corrupt> how do i fix a grub error 17 problem? ubuntu won't start...
[08:45] <hwilde> Vov4ik[ubuntu], you are in /root/eggdrop   so you have to copy it somewhere else like /home
[08:45] <BernardB> Zippy2: Where can I find it?
[08:45] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: yeap?
[08:45] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> ohh
[08:45] <Zippy2> BernardB: gnome menus under settings or something
[08:45] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: doesn't copied
[08:45] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> x(
[08:45] <hwilde> Vov4ik[ubuntu], type in "pwd" to see what directory you are in
[08:45] <faLUCE> Zippy2:  it's not me who has to look to the start time, it's the system.
[08:45] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> hwilde: i have gui (graphical mode)
[08:45] <musikgoat> Gorlist: 7.10 is working great, I believe evolution shouldn't have a problem as long as you copy your home folder
[08:46] <Zippy2> faLUCE: why
[08:46] <hwilde> Vov4ik[ubuntu], man cp
[08:46] <Gorlist> musikgoat: Excellent, thanks :)
[08:46] <BernardB> Zippy2: Can't find it :(
[08:46] <Zippy2> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: is there a scripts dir in /root/eggdrop/scripts
[08:46] <faLUCE> Zippy2: i need to make a script which terminates a process if it's active since 5 hours
[08:46] <Zippy2> BernardB: youll have to. i dont use gnome
[08:47] <BernardB> O, that's why.
[08:47] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: yes.. i want to copy all content from ~/Desktop/eggdrop/scripts to /root/eggdrop/scripts
[08:47] <Zippy2> faLUCE: do you start it the same time?
[08:47] <Layer8> fiveofoh: does grandr work for you
[08:47] <Layer8> ?
[08:47] <cyber_> Vov4ik[ubuntu]: why dont you just "sudo nautilus" and then copy it across manually?
[08:47] <hwilde> faLUCE,    ps -e -o"pid etime"     read in the intput.  if $2 is > 5hours   kill $1
[08:47] <Zippy2> sudo cp -avpuR ~/Desktop/eggdrop/scripts/* /root/eggdrop/scripts
[08:47] <Zippy2> assuming /root/eggdrop/scripts is a directory
[08:48] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> hmm
[08:48] <JimmyDee> faLUCE and if you wanna be slick stick that in cron
[08:48] <brad__> got it going i believe kind of.
[08:48] <brad__> wait, no, it's still cloned
[08:48] <Layer8> fiveofoh: when I start it and click on one of the detected monitors at the left the programm produces a segfault
[08:49] <brad__> I have both monitors running in 1280x1024 now but they are both set as "plug and play" monitors which i don't mind, and it's not spanned it's cloned
[08:49] <fiveofoh> Layer8: Yeah, that's what I found out :/
[08:49] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> Zippy2: thank you, it's copied successfully
[08:49] <thedefender> anyone know what command starts ATI control panel
[08:49] <fiveofoh> xrandr via the command line works wonders though
[08:49] <thedefender> the CCC
[08:49] <hwilde> thedefender,   type in these commands:    sudo updatedb;   locate ati | grep bin
[08:49] <Layer8> fiveofoh: something missing here?
[08:49] <simplechat> hey
[08:49] <simplechat> has anybody had problems with gmail not accepting their authentication using evolution?
[08:50] <thedefender> hwilde: thanks trying now
[08:50] <hwilde> simplechat, gmail told me today in firefox cookies were not enalbed, but they are
[08:50] <JimmyDee> gmail is the devil
[08:50] <cyber_> OMG
[08:50] <simplechat> hwilde, more information?
[08:50] <simplechat> JimmyDee, Why?
[08:50] <Zippy2> is gmail imap active
[08:50] <JimmyDee> simplechat, just kidding
[08:50] <Tem> hwilde: should I see any difference visually after apt-get install gnome and an X server restart?
[08:50] <fiveofoh> Layer8: Wha?
[08:50] <simplechat> Zippy2, i've autherized it, but its not running
[08:51] <simplechat> i get similar errors, cannot authenticate, it keeps asking me to reenter my password
[08:51] <Zippy2> read gmail doc
[08:51] <brad__> If possible could somebody please provide me with some assistance getting my drivers, screens and resolutions working properly
[08:51] <simplechat> Zippy2, http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287&ctx=en:match that thing? read it and configured to it
[08:51] <simplechat> still doesn't work
[08:51] <Zippy2> i believe you
[08:51] <Layer8> fiveofoh: could it be that some packets whicht are needed are not installed?
[08:52] <arum> kkkik
[08:52] <arum> kkk
[08:52] <arum> nnn]]
[08:52] <Sonicadvance1> okay
[08:52] <simplechat> Zippy2, what should i go about next?
[08:52] <Zippy2> try anothre imap client
[08:52] <faLUCE> hwilde: ok, suppose that i know the pid of "myproc" with pidof. how can i show the starttime of myproc?
[08:53] <cyber_> where does pidgin store recieved files?
[08:53] <fiveofoh> Layer8: Hmm, bad dependencies?  I don't know
[08:53] <simplechat> i've configured the ports correctly, it connects to it. i've set the user names to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>etc. what else is there? should name be something?
[08:53] <Zippy2> i use https
[08:54] <heatxsink> anyone know how to from an install cd, reinstall the kernel on your mounted root/boot filesystems
[08:55] <JimmyDee> heatxsink, could I interest you in the generic kernel at this point?
[08:55] <nickelado> hellow peepz
[08:55] <simplechat> Zippy2, ?
[08:55] <Zippy2> hi2u
[08:56] <simplechat> Zippy2, https with pop?
[08:56] <nickelado> zippy asl pls>???
[08:56] <JimmyDee> heatxsink, rescue it with the disk, open a shell, sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic and there you are
[08:56] <Zippy2> simplechat: i dont use pop/imap
[08:56] <Zippy2> NickPresta: nope
[08:56] <Zippy2> simplechat: try it with another imap/pop client and see if it works there. then you kno wits evolution
[08:56] <Zippy2> im going to take a nap afk
[08:56] <simplechat> kk
[08:56] <simplechat> whats a good pop client for ubuntu?
[08:56] <heatxsink> cool
[08:56] <simplechat> any suggestions?
[08:57] <JimmyDee> evolution
[08:57] <seamus7> cimplechat: evolution or thunderbird
[08:57] <thedefender> how do i find what the program that a package installed
[08:57] <simplechat> JimmyDee, i'm using evolution, and its not workignw ith gmail
[08:57] <nickelado> does anyone tried to use vmware to join ubuntu to windows 2003 AD???
[08:57] <JimmyDee> simplechat, try thunderbird
[08:57] <nickelado> does anyone tried to use vmware to join ubuntu to windows 2003 AD???
[08:57] <brad__> Anybody here familiar with setting up Nvidia driver s??
[08:58] <simplechat> JimmyDee, downloaidng now
[08:58] <heatxsink> JimmyDee:  any kernel, and that's perfect!
[08:58] <thedefender> i installed amdccle and need to know how to run it now
[08:58] <seamus7> Anone using a Dell notice higher heat levels after moving to Gutsy?
[08:58] <Vov4ik[ubuntu]> what i can add autoboot?
[08:58] <JimmyDee> heatxsink, *bow*
[08:58] <WetWillY> nickelado, I had my Ubuntu machine in a windows 2003 ad ;p
[08:58] <Magdin> Hi again, i just found out that i can't run add/remove application. Its not appearing and i dont know where to look for logs.
[08:59] <wwwjek> hello
[08:59] <arooni> folks i'm looking for skype for gutsy... but on skype's site, it says that its only releaseed for feisty... ideas?
[08:59] <wwwjek> 有人么？
[08:59] <JimmyDee> easy for you to say wwwjek
[08:59] <seamus7> Magdin: have you made sure that it's just not unchecked in the Menus configuration window?
[08:59] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[09:00] <Magdin> seamus7: menu config window? where is it?
[09:00] <seamus7> System/Preferences/Main Menu
[09:00] <heatxsink> JimmyDee:  is there a --reinstall option?
[09:00] <nickelado> may i ask how do u configure it in win2003 AD ??
[09:00] <elvirolo> i cant get my ipw3945 wifi card to work under gutsy
[09:00] <Magdin> seamus7: its there, when i click nothing happens, the same problem with pigin
[09:00] <xonicx> one very stupid question: can i burn 686MB ubuntu 7.10 CD download into a DVD? sorry but i havnt burned DVD yet
[09:01] <nickelado> WetWillY < ------ may i ask how do u configure it in win2003 AD ??
[09:01] <brad__> somebody here must have an nvidia video card .............
[09:01] <thedefender> everyone here does
[09:01] <thedefender> i am the only ATI user
[09:01] <Magdin> brad__:  i do...
[09:01] <JimmyDee> heatxsink, theres a remove and install option
[09:01] <seamus7> Magdin: oh weird .. I don't know .. sorry
[09:01] <xonicx> brad__: i have
[09:01] <musikgoat> elvirolo: what are you having problems with,  mine works
[09:01] <nickelado> need help coz i can t make it join my win2k3 AD
[09:01] <brad__> Magdi: Can you give me any help getting my screens working?
[09:01] <brad__> Xonicx: or you!
[09:01] <thedefender> lol
[09:01] <arooni> folks i have a bluetake usb adapter .... what program can i use that 1) has a good GUI 2) allows me to connect a bluetooth headset for skype calls?
[09:01] <elvirolo> musikgoat: well it doesn't work at all, i can't use the wifi card
[09:02] <nanonyme> xonicx, you mean can you waste space from the dvd? sure you can
[09:02] <Magdin> brad__: are you at the terminal screem? my solution was envy
[09:02] <JimmyDee> !envy
[09:02] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[09:02] <Magdin> brad__: i mean screen
[09:02] <WetWillY> nickelado, I did nothing to the active directory. just edited the krb5.conf to suit my domain controller
[09:02] <nickelado> WetWillY < ------ may i ask how do u configure it in win2003 AD ??
[09:02] <Tem> wowzers... You forget how spoiled you are to a pretty ui.  Icewm is uuuuugly
[09:02] <seamus7> thedefender: did you move to the latest ATI driver ?
[09:02] <musikgoat> elvirolo: does the card show up in lspci?
[09:02] <brad__> magdin: are you refering to the sudo nvidia-settings ??
[09:02] <nickelado> ic
[09:02] <thedefender> yes i did, trying to get directrendering working
[09:02] <thedefender> how did your install go seamus
[09:02] <xonicx> yes. i would like to waste space. I think DVD-R is cheaper than CD-R these days
[09:02] <cyber_> hmm
[09:02] <heatxsink> JimmyDee:  apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-generic
[09:03] <Magdin> brad__:  no go to envy website, install the package then run it
[09:03] <wwwjek> join #tossug
[09:03] <nickelado> WetWillY < ------ can u pls help me to make it join my win2k3 add??
[09:03] <heatxsink> :-)
[09:03] <k1gw1> Tem: I set up a 50 seat LTSP terminal server using icewm for telemarketers :-X
[09:03] <Magdin> brad__: select install NVidia drivers
[09:03] <wingless_kat> can i get some quick help
[09:03] <Magdin> brad__: that was the only thing that worked for me
[09:03] <seamus7> thedefender: what made you want to move ... I keep reading now that it's really buggy and slows a lot of things down?
[09:03] <nickelado> WetWillY < ------ can u pls help me to make it join my win2k3 ??
[09:03] <xonicx> brad__: which ubuntu version?
[09:03] <JimmyDee> heatxsink, sudo apt-get remove linux-image-generic, then sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic
[09:03] <brad__> Magdin: do i have to go to envy's website or can i get it through symantic?
[09:03] <wingless_kat> its' really easy
[09:03] <brad__> xonicx: 7.10
[09:03] <k1gw1> !ask
[09:03] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:03] <WetWillY> nickelado: sure, just msg me
[09:03] <ipx> !repeat | nickelado
[09:03] <ubotu> nickelado: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[09:04] <Magdin> brad__: go to web site he just released a new version for 7.10
[09:04] <xonicx> restricted manager works fine. i installed from that only
[09:04] <seamus7> thedefendere: it didn't go well ... I hit a wall/error .. and just decided to go back to the default fglrx.
[09:04] <wingless_kat> I'm looking to partition my drives appropriately
[09:04] <wingless_kat> i'm using 7.10
[09:04] <smmagic> Parted magic
[09:04] <smmagic> Burn a live cd
[09:04] <nickelado> ooopss
[09:04] <wingless_kat> my first ubuntu intstall
[09:04] <Cyber_Stalker> does any one know where pidgin stores recieved files?>
[09:04] <Magdin> brad__: http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[09:04] <thedefender> seamus7:  well hate XGL, and want to run dual heads with a cube on both, full desktop effects
[09:04] <wingless_kat> and i don't really want to mess it up
[09:04] <nickelado> sori peepz
[09:04] <JimmyDee> wingless_kat, use guided partitioning, its automatic
[09:04] <Romme> where do i get some documentation on network routing?
[09:04] <thedefender> seamus7: 8.42 is suppose to support AIGLX
[09:04] <wingless_kat> I want to be able to put other os's on the machine
[09:04] <xonicx> wingless_kat: ubuntu installer creates/resize partition
[09:05] <wingless_kat> i see
[09:05] <smmagic> If you resize windows
[09:05] <arooni> how do i connect a bluetooth headset to my gutsy machine (with a bluetake usb adapter)?  i currently see the little bluetooth icon.  how do i go searching for my headset once i put it in discoverable mode?
[09:05] <smmagic> Defrag it first
[09:05] <ipx> Yes, fglrx 8.42.3 has AIGLX-support (Im using compiz with it right now)
[09:05] <tonyyarusso> ipx: (for some cards)
[09:05] <smmagic> Don't make the mistake I did
[09:05] <wingless_kat> i if i say, Guided use entire disk, i'll be able to go back later and put another OS on...?
[09:05] <JimmyDee> wingless_kat, may I suggest you install your windows partition first then resize it, grub will detect it and menufy it
[09:05] <thedefender> ipx: are you, i installed and i am having problems with getting Direct Rendering online
[09:05] <wingless_kat> i want to play around with Linux..
[09:06] <thedefender> ipx: what vcard
[09:06] <smmagic> If playing with ubuntu
[09:06] <smmagic> You could try wubi
[09:06] <wingless_kat> and i want to be able to have all my information on one partition that i can access from both distros
[09:06] <thedefender> !wubi
[09:06] <seamus7> thedefender: oh ok that explains it ... I'm just gonna wait and hope it gets in the repos eventually ... yeah I read that it supports AIGLX so I thought that would be cool .. but after I received errors I just got frustrated and realized I wasn't displease with my laptop's graphic performance .. so I'll just wait :) good luck with dri
[09:06] <ubotu> wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html
[09:06] <k1gw1> What's GrumpyGroundhog all about?
[09:06] <wingless_kat> wubi is that you can install while inside windows, then reboot into linux..
[09:06] <wingless_kat> read about that today
[09:06] <nickelado> WetWillY < --- can u pls pm me for the configuration of kerberos
[09:06] <smmagic> Worth trying
[09:06] <faLUCE> well, a simpler question: i can retrieve the pid of a process with pidof. how can i store the result of pidof in a variable?
[09:06] <ipx> tonyyarusso: should work with all
[09:06] <thedefender> klgw1: its a big secret
[09:06] <smmagic> Just not hibernate or suspend
[09:07] <tonyyarusso> ipx: Not with the Radeon Mobility X300
[09:07] <ipx> thedefender: im in a very big hurry, but i assume it says "LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT" in your glxinfo grep render, just type "unset LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT" in the terminal and it should say yes
[09:07] <ipx> sorry i have to go now
[09:07] <thedefender> thanks
[09:07] <wingless_kat> Can i get a quck double check: if i use guided -use entire disk, i can install other os's onto my machine later
[09:07] <smmagic> Yes
[09:07] <wingless_kat> this doesn't make sense to me...
[09:07] <wingless_kat> but ok.
[09:07] <smmagic> If you make partitions for them
[09:07] <thedefender> ipx: how do i set that
[09:07] <ipx> tonyyarusso: well at least ive heard that all cards are supposed to support it..
[09:07] <smmagic> You can always resise with partedmagic
[09:07] <ipx> thedefender: read again, all i said