[12:54] <kgoetz> i want to execute a script on logout. gdm has /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default, but is that file read by ltsp? i'm under the impression the ltsp stuff uses ldm (or something)
[12:55] <kgoetz> i ask because i want to remove a users home directory when they log out, and recreate it (its a public account)
[12:57] <cstextiles> Can we start vino-server for all the users by default?
[01:24] <Burgwork> kgoetz: sbalneavs was working on a pam method for doing that
[01:32] <kgoetz> Burgwork: mmm ok. so that means 'it will be in future releases'?
[01:32] <Burgwork> no idea, given FF has passed
[01:33] <Burgwork> ask scott for the latest source code
[01:34] <kgoetz> right. i'll keep looking then. i'm after something that will work for dapper now ;)
[01:35] <Burgwork> a script will do it
[01:35] <Burgwork> I have no idea about how ldm runs hooks
[01:35] <Burgwork> ogra: ^ ?
[01:36] <kgoetz> hm. meeting starting. bbl
[02:40] <kgoetz> um.... i just noticed ldm isnt installed. is it not a dependancy of ltsp-server?
[02:40] <kgoetz> or is it only installed on the client?
[02:41] <kgoetz> aoh, only on client. sorry :|
[12:19] <pisi_de> ping ogra
[12:19] <ogra> pisi_de, pong ?
[12:19] <pisi_de> juliux here
[12:20] <pisi_de> we have a sun ultra 60 and are trying to buld ltsp-client i386 on that machine
[12:20] <pisi_de> but it is still tryiong to build the sparc version, too
[12:21] <pisi_de> we tried "--arch i386"
[12:21] <ogra> i never tested on sparc ...
[12:22] <pisi_de> ist there any config file for ltsp-build-client script?
[12:22] <ogra> but the arch code is built so that is will only build i386 on i386 or amd64 hw ...
[12:22] <ogra> there is stuff that needs to be executed in the chroot ... so you need a compatible arch
[12:23] <ogra> i have a tarball with an edgy chroot ...
[12:23] <ogra> if that helps ...
[12:23] <pisi_de> also building on another machine and copying onto the sun?
[12:23] <ogra> you need to unpack it to /opt/ltsp/i386 and run the two ltsp-update-* commands (untested)
[12:24] <pisi_de> ok
[12:24] <ogra> indeed, you could also build from an i386 that you run from a liveCd, mount /opt/ltsp readwrite via nfs from the server and run ltsp-build-client there
[12:25] <ogra> afterwards you always need to run the ltsp-update-* scripts ...
[12:25] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/ltsp-tarball-20060211.tgz
[12:27] <juliux_> ogra, my idea was to copy the ltsp chroot from my notebook via scp to the sun and then run ltsp-update
[12:27] <ogra> that might work too
[12:27] <juliux_> ok, we will test it;9
[12:27] <juliux_> ogra, and pls mail me your postaddresse;)
[12:27] <ogra> oh, crap, i forgot, sorry
[12:28] <juliux_> don t worrie it is not to late;)
[12:31] <juliux_> ogra, should i use the postaddress from your domain?
[12:32] <ogra> heh, no
[12:32] <juliux_> hehe
[12:33] <ogra> sent
[12:38] <juliux_> thxs
[12:41] <juliux_> ogra, is there any thing we should test next weekend?
[12:41] <juliux_> ogra, we have a lot of clients and different hardware there, and a lot of time;)
[12:48] <ogra> test herd4 :)
[12:49] <ogra> and the addon CD :)
[12:50] <juliux_> ok
[01:18] <rodarvus> good morning
[01:19] <juliux_> hi rodarvus
[01:20] <juliux_> rodarvus, did you tested ltsp5 on sparc?
[01:20] <rodarvus> hey juliux_
[01:20] <rodarvus> I don't have sparc at home, unfortunately
[01:20] <juliux_> hehe
[01:20] <rodarvus> (I used to, a few years ago, though)
[01:21] <rodarvus> but the machines I had aged quite quickly, and I just gave them to someone else
[01:21] <rodarvus> (they use *a lot* of electric power, too)
[01:21] <juliux_> ok
[01:31] <juliux_> ogra, we get an x on the thinclient;)
[01:31] <juliux_> ogra, but then the networkcard in the sun get a problem:(
[01:36] <ogra> what kind of problem ?
[01:36] <pisi_de> maybe a faulty network card
[01:36] <juliux_> it is a hardware problem
[01:36] <pisi_de> trying other device
[01:37] <juliux_> ogra, but the ltsp was working
[01:37] <ogra> yay
[01:37] <juliux_> after we fixed the nfs export;)
[01:38] <ogra> fixed ?
[01:38] <juliux_> yes there was no entry in the /etc/exports
[01:38] <ogra> oh, right, ltsp-build-client sets the /etc/exports entry
[01:39] <juliux_> i copied the entry from my notebook and the the ltsp starts and we get an ldm login at the thinclient
[01:40] <ogra> great
[01:51] <juliux_> ogra, now it is working;)
[01:51] <ogra> yay
[01:52] <ogra> using your chroot ? or the tarball ?
[01:52] <juliux_> yes my chroot
[01:57] <juliux_> where is the difference to your tarball?
[02:02] <ogra> there shouldnt be one
[02:02] <juliux_> ok
[02:07] <juliux_> ogra, if we log in on the thinclient, x died and we get the ldm login screen again
[02:15] <pisi_de> by using metacity session instead of default gnome session we get only a black backround with white mouse, no menu. but X does not die
[02:25] <juliux_> ogra, it is possible to start only a xterm on the thinclient and not a whole gnome desktop?
[02:32] <ogra> create an ~/.xsession :)
[02:33] <ogra> but first check in ~/.xsession-errors why the gnome session dies
[02:33] <pisi_de> .Xsession creaed
[02:33] <pisi_de> created
[02:34] <pisi_de> gnome-screensaver caused dead and restart of X server
[02:37] <ogra> strange
[02:38] <ogra> do the sessions work locally on the server ?
[02:38] <juliux_> yes on the sun is gnome working well
[02:42] <juliux_> ogra, that is the http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/7534/ xession-erros file
[02:48] <ogra> what makes you think its gnome-screensaver ?
[02:49] <pisi_de> starting only xterm
[02:50] <pisi_de> and after that te screensaver kills x
[02:50] <ogra> ??
[02:50] <pisi_de> starting X with only xterm. then starting metacity, gnome-panel and gnome-screensaver in this order from the xterm
[02:51] <pisi_de> maybe the screensaver ist not the only application causing this problem, but it ist one of them
[02:51] <ogra> how is gnome-screensaver supposed to run without session dbus ?
[02:52] <juliux_> ahh
[02:52] <ogra> you need to run the complete session to test it ...
[02:53] <ogra> which is a bit tricky, since if you have an ~/.xsession file that will override all other sessions if you just execute /etc/X11/Xsession
[02:53] <juliux_> ok
[02:54] <juliux_> so we should try to start every thing listed in /etc/X11/Xsession
[02:54] <ogra> well, it sources a lot of stuff from /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[02:55] <juliux_> i see
[02:55] <ogra> probably install xfce, then you can log in to that (it will show up in the session selector after installing it)
[02:55] <juliux_> thxs
[02:55] <ogra> select it, open an xterm there and try to run /etc/X11/Xsession ... (gnome will complain about a window manager running already)
[02:55] <ogra> oh, i mean xfwm above
[02:56] <ogra> not xfce, no need for the whole desktop
[02:57] <juliux_> we will try that;)
[03:13] <juliux_> ogra, xfwm fvwm are booth not running, but fluxbox is running;)
[03:15] <juliux_> ogra, it is a gnome problem;)
[03:20] <VincentMX> hi
[03:20] <VincentMX> where can i get any dutch Kanagram language packs?
[03:24] <juliux_> VincentMX, it should be a part of the ducht kde language pack
[03:32] <VincentMX> juliux_: ok
[03:33] <VincentMX> some parts of kde programs are in english
[03:33] <VincentMX> i need to down some vocabularies for Kanagram and KHangman
[03:39] <VincentMX> does anybody know, where i can get those?
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya
[04:29] <nixternal> I should be connecting right around 20:00 UTC for today/tonight's meeting :)
[04:29] <nixternal> I will be chillin' in the school cafe
[06:46] <Spec> Is anyone here going to UbuCon?
[06:51] <Spec> well, at any rate, i am...and i was asked to do a presentation/demo of edubuntu, any chance anyone here has any materials that would be useful presentation-wise?
[06:52] <Spec> also, can anyone point me to a list of changes edubuntu makes to standard-ltsp?
[06:53] <highvoltage> Spec: from LTSP version 5, Ubuntu's LTSP = LTSP.org
[06:54] <Spec> meh, i haven't used ltsp since...3? maybe 4
[06:54] <Spec> does it still use tftp?
[06:54] <highvoltage> it does indeed
[06:54] <highvoltage> just to download the initial kernel though
[06:55] <Spec> yeap
[06:55] <Spec> i thought edubuntu was trying to implement security w/ ltsp?
[06:55] <highvoltage> it does
[06:56] <Spec> in which ways has it changed since....two years ago? :P (if the list isn't too long)
[06:56] <highvoltage> hardware detection has greatly improved, it now uses debian's hardware detection scripts
[06:56] <highvoltage> it uses ssh to export the GUI now, instead of XDMCP
[06:57] <Spec> ah
[06:57] <highvoltage> that's a big security boost
[06:57] <highvoltage> lots of extras have been added
[06:57] <Spec> does it put applications on the thinclients?
[06:57] <highvoltage> sound is getting better on clients
[06:57] <Spec> ie: firefox
[06:57] <highvoltage> usb flash disks now automount on client
[06:57] <highvoltage> in the next version it would be possible
[06:57] <Spec> sound has worked for years (for me), maybe i'm lucky
[06:57] <highvoltage> it has a dounside though
[06:57] <Spec> what's it called to put an app on a thinclient?
[06:58] <highvoltage> you can only currenly run all apps localy, or from the server
[06:58] <highvoltage> not a mixture of the two
[06:58] <highvoltage> (but still diskless)
[06:58] <Spec> yeah
[06:58] <Spec> so either all or nothing?
[06:58] <juliux> hi highvoltage
[06:58] <highvoltage> hi juliux
[06:58] <juliux> highvoltage, did you have the drupal theme tar allready done?
[06:58] <highvoltage> I have, can I email it to you?
[06:59] <juliux> highvoltage, yes you can
[07:00] <Spec> how easy is it to 'rebrand' edubuntu?
[07:00] <highvoltage> quite easy
[07:00] <Spec> as simple as making a theme or is there a script for rebranding and/or a how-to?
[07:01] <highvoltage> there's a how-to on remastering ubuntu CD's
[07:01] <Spec> ah, so it all applies to edubuntu just the same
[07:01] <highvoltage> besides that you just have to make new usplash, gdm themes, etx
[07:01] <highvoltage> yep
[07:01] <Spec> there's another track on that i believe, so i'll only briefly mention it
[07:02] <highvoltage> juliux: emailed. sorry, meant to send it sooner already.
[07:02] <Spec> i wonder if i should make a oopresentation or not
[07:02] <juliux> highvoltage, it is ok
[07:03] <juliux> highvoltage, i had no time yet to use it;)
[07:03] <highvoltage> :)
[07:10] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: please behave yourself this time
[07:10] <edubuntugirl> <sad face> ok </sad face>
[08:39] <LaserJock> ajmitch: btw, I got my GTK/C++ stuff to work out last night
[08:39] <LaserJock> I'm sort of suprised it worked
[08:44] <ajmitch> well done :)
[08:48] <ogra> ******** Reminder * Edubuntu meeitng in #ubuntu-meeting in 13 minutes **********
[08:50] <LaserJock> oh geeze, I forgot
[08:56] <ogra> ******** Reminder * Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 4 minutes **********
[09:00] <ogra> ******** Reminder * Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting starting now **********
[09:00] <willvdl> woop
[09:00] <willvdl> timing :)
[10:22] <nixternal> so it looks like it was a good meeting
[10:22] <nixternal> one of these days I will go for some Edubuntu membershiip (yes I know once you have one they are all the same, but it is the feeling of pride being on that great list)
[10:25] <willvdl> come to Seville
[10:26] <nixternal> sure, like the commercials says...
[10:26] <nixternal> Got Money?
[10:26] <nixternal> ;p
[10:26] <juliux> willvdl, is there any sponsorships for sevilla?
[10:28] <willvdl> probably
[10:31] <juliux> willvdl, should we send you one euro ?
[10:31] <ogra> heh
[10:32] <nixternal> when is Seville?
[10:32] <nixternal> I am to lazy to look it up on the wiki :)
[10:32] <willvdl> beginning May
[10:33] <ogra> UES is may 3 and 4
[10:33] <ogra> UDS starts on the 6th iirc
[10:33] <nixternal> man, it has to always been when school is in session
[10:33] <juliux> 5 may is community day
[10:34] <nixternal> do one in Chicago already :)
[10:34] <juliux> beginning of may is not a good time to travel from germany to spain
[10:34] <nixternal> heh, by the time one gets done in Chicago, I will be living in either Europe (Greece or Spain) or Mexico (beach or, umm beach)
[10:34] <nixternal> juliux: walk :)
[10:35] <nixternal> stick the thumb out and hitch a ride
[10:35] <juliux> nixternal, the first may is free in germany so many people take three days off and then they have 6 six days for holiday
[10:35] <nixternal> man, I am moving to Germany then :)
[10:35] <willvdl> juliux so come end of April
[10:35] <nixternal> I need to either live on the beach, or a nice small villa
[10:36] <juliux> willvdl, lol
[10:36] <nixternal> both must indeed have high-speed though
[10:36] <juliux> nixternal, ok you come to germany and we will work to sevilla;)
[10:36] <juliux> willvdl, what should i do the days in spain?
[10:36] <willvdl> it's downhill, you could skate there
[10:36] <nixternal> man, I had a hell of a time flying to Canada a few months back because my name is on the list of terrorists or whatever it is
[10:36] <nixternal> stupid government
[10:37] <nixternal> how many Rich Johnsons have been accused of being a terrorist
[10:37] <willvdl> one?
[10:37] <nixternal> I have one of the most common names in the world
[10:37] <nixternal> willvdl: haha, I wonder what my dad has been hiding :)
[10:37] <ogra> i bet there are more john smitht's
[10:37] <nixternal> ogra: oh that is a fact
[10:37] <ogra> :)
[10:37] <nixternal> I just met a John Smithe today, he spells his name with the e at the end
[10:38] <willvdl> Qaryn Smythe : Karen Smith
[10:38] <willvdl> righteous
[10:39] <nixternal> heh
[10:39] <willvdl> OK, nearly midnight. I need to go and pretend to my GF that nothing happened
[10:39] <willvdl> the village folk do talk so
[10:40] <nixternal> hehe
[10:40] <nixternal> g'nite, I need to get to class anyways
[10:40] <willvdl> I really think you should all join the Flat Earth Society and then I can keep normal office hours
[10:41] <willvdl> ciao
[10:41] <juliux> omg the cheapest flyight from dresden to sevilla and back is 270
[10:41] <juliux> and i need 5h
[10:59] <Spec> where's the logs for this channel?
[11:01] <Spec> nevermind, found 'em


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[05:48] <jo-erlend> It would  be nice if someone could make a "Ubuntu for web developers" introduction to Ubuntu. I think that's one of the really huge benefits of 12.04LTS. JavaScript with GIR-access and CSS-type styling.
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning


[14:55] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: we still have some weirdness going on, but sftp to ppa.launchpad.net should work now
[14:55] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Thank you very much! :)
[14:56] <cjwatson> been spending most of the day disentangling things ...
[14:56] <tsimonq2> It is very much appreciated. I certainly don't envy your schedule for the next week. ;)
[18:27] <tsimonq2> Hey, bringing this here, I'm hearing of some continued issues uploading to PPAs, this time with bare dput ppa
[18:28] <tsimonq2> It could have been solved... either way, was this something looked at after our convo last night?
[18:31] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: ftp upload flakiness to ppas is still a known issue
[18:31] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Thanks :)
[18:36] <ginggs> would someone please rescore https://launchpad.net/~ginggs/+archive/ubuntu/testing/+build/26996129 ?
[18:36] <ginggs> it should be a (relatively) quick build, ~40 minutes
[18:37] <cjwatson> ginggs: I'm going to repair some builders instead
[18:37] <ginggs> cjwatson: why not both? :)
[18:37] <cjwatson> because number of disabled builders == depth of queue
[18:38] <ginggs> wfm
[19:29] <cjwatson> ginggs: (sorted now)
[19:30] <ginggs> cjwatson: thanks!


[00:52] <SonikkuAmerica> I just told #u to stop discussing it, although I don't really have the banhammer in there, but as part of the team, you know
[01:26] <lenswipee> ?
[02:27] <bazhang> criminy why no +r
[02:32] <Unit193> Likely so staff can kline them, they aren't spamming the channel.
[02:35] <bazhang> joining #ubuntu like release party on the day
[02:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Ubuntu 16.12 "Spamming Sleaze"
[18:14] <wxl> stupid questions: can nickserv set usermodes for you permanently? also i just noticed pubkey. can you use this to identify instead of a password?
[18:15] <wxl> maybe i should ask on freenode instead of bugging you folks XD
[18:34] <elky> certfp can be used as a sasl external method yeah
[18:35] <elky> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/certfp
[18:35] <elky> it's needed for tor-sasl for example so worth having set up
[18:35] <elky> and permanent userflags are doable by making your client re-set them on connection
[18:35] <wxl> what's the difference between that and https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl ?
[18:35] <wxl> they seems to be related but the connection is unclear
[18:36] <elky> certfp can be used as a sasl external method
[18:36] <elky> instead of a password that your client remembers, it points at a cert
[18:37] <wxl> right got that much :)
[18:38] <wxl> sasl is the same thing but happens during connection?
[18:40] <elky> i don't know if "during connection" is correct but i think so? questions like that should probably go to staff, i haven't read the protocols or anything.
[18:40] <elky> or perhaps Unit193 might know the technicalities
[18:42] <wxl> ok let's see if this works
[19:04] <dax> alrighty so
[19:07] <dax> SASL is a "CAP" that happens early in the connection and pauses connection until it's done. It has various mechanisms/methods, or ways of authenticating.  DSA-NIST256p-CHALLENGE uses a challenge-response mechanism and /ns help set pubkey. EXTERNAL  on freenode means "go use my CertFP configuration right now"
[19:07] <dax> CertFP is an authentication method that uses client certificates and /ns help cert. If you don't use SASL EXTERNAL as discussed above, it happens "whenever" and does not pause connection until it's done.
[19:08] <dax> it's usually/hopefully before you autojoin channels, but isn't always
[19:08] <dax> If you care at all about this sort of thing, you should be using SASL because it makes sure everything is done before you start sending commands and joining channels and stuff, and you have the option of just disconnecting if SASL fails, which you don't with other auth methods.
[19:09] <dax> Within the SASL mechanisms, I recommend SASL PLAIN if you're only gonna use clearnet (no Tor-SASL) and just want it to work, and SASL EXTERNAL + CertFP if you plan on using Tor-SASL
[19:11] <dax> instructions for using SASL PLAIN are on https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl . instructions for using SASL EXTERNAL are basically 1) set up CertFP per https://freenode.net/kb/answer/certfp 2) tell your client to use SASL EXTERNAL
[19:12] <wxl> got it
[19:12] <wxl> thanks dax
[19:12] <wxl> i kind of had put two and two together and just went for it and it worked :)
[22:36] <elky> ahoneybun: is there something we need to keep an eye out for re #k-ot?
[22:38] <elky> ahoneybun: if you want to discuss it unlogged #ubuntu-ops-team should be available to you
[22:38] <elky> let me know if not
[22:38] <ahoneybun> elky: what?
[22:39] <elky> the tsimonq2 thing
[22:39] <SonikkuAmerica> ?? Sorry, vested interest
[22:40] <ahoneybun> oh it's a personal thing I think
[22:40] <Jordan_U> To be clear, #ubuntu-ops-team is logged, but not publicly.
[22:41] <ahoneybun> SonikkuAmerica: vested interest?
[22:42] <SonikkuAmerica> ahoneybun - I know of Simon and his contributions to the project thus far; in fact, I'm one of his namespace denizens.
[22:42] <dax> which is why this would have worked better in PM
[22:42] <SonikkuAmerica> ...
[22:42] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, it's wide open and publogged now... :(
[22:42] <SonikkuAmerica> Why didn't this convo start in -team?
[22:43] <ahoneybun> well all of my issues are public with him anyway
[22:43] <ahoneybun> other then k-council
[22:43] <elky> SonikkuAmerica: because ahoneybun isn't there.
[22:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Ah. Good point.
[22:43] <ahoneybun> I have to be invited
[22:43] <elky> oh
[22:44] <dax> what's a "namespace denizen" anyway
[22:44] <dax> lenswipee: hello, how can we help?
[22:44] <chu> He's waiting for ikonia!
[22:45] <SonikkuAmerica> dax - I'm in his ##
[22:45] <dax> so channel denizen :P
[22:45] <lenswipee> waiting for explanation to why I was banned
[22:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah... dax :)
[22:45] <dax> lenswipee: sec, looking
[22:48] <lenswipee> dax, read logs :-)
[22:48] <dax> lenswipee: yes, I am
[22:48] <lenswipee> dax, may i pm you?
[22:49] <dax> lenswipee: no, give me a second to finish reading logs and then we'll discuss in here
[22:49] <dax> lenswipee: Repeated bad behavior and inability to follow directions
[22:49] <lenswipee> dax, ok
[22:49] <dax> lenswipee: and that's just in #ubuntu, and your behavior outside #ubuntu does not suggest that this is an isolated incident
[22:50] <dax> so you will be unable to access #ubuntu until we feel that you are able to behave in there, which we currently do not
[22:52] <lenswipee> dax, i'm misunderstood :-)
[22:52] <dax> lenswipee: That's unfortunate. Come back when you're able to communicate in a way that is not indistinguishable from problematic behavior.
[22:54] <lenswipee> dax, i'm new to linux so parden my inability to follow complicated instructions.
[22:55] <lenswipee> dax, have a nice day.
[22:55] <dax> bye
[22:55] <lenswipee> dax, bye
[22:55] <dax> (per /topic, please /part the channel)
[22:56] <dax> @mark lenswipee denied unban due to problematic behavior network-wide


[11:28] <Kilos> hi guys, please  checkout https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-membership-certificate-form/23134/17
[11:29] <Kilos> what is this bernard on about
[11:30] <Kilos> WrathOfAchilles  check it out please
[13:26] <nicoz-> hi guys
[13:27] <Kilos> o/
[13:30] <nicoz-> oh nhaines how are you my friend?
[23:53] <WrathOfAchilles> Kilos: I'm fairly certain that whatever it is, based on the stub I'm not the right person for this.


[00:45] <Queops> Hello :) I want to use AppIndicator on my mono gtk# 2.0 app, which reference do I need to set?
[03:36] <JohanSJA> is there any table widget in Glade?
[04:46] <leandrw_> someone from Brazil?
[05:00] <leandrw> about ubuntu app contest, what about a Ubuntu mail Client? Im talking about something with the Ubuntu face, with unity integration, a contacts lens, not what we have un thunderbird
[08:54] <hakermania> I tried yesterday, too, but if anyone can help here, please do:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12060773#post12060773
[12:04] <hakermania> Is there a specific section in askubuntu.com where I should ask ubuntu showdown specific questions?
[14:28] <duncjd> Hi, is anyone available to help with a packaging problem with quickly? My app builds in a ppa with `quickly share` but fails with `quickly submitubuntu`.
[17:15] <Mrokii> Hello. Can somebody give me a hint on how to add a calendar (GtkCalendar) to an application indicator written in Python? I found examples on how to add regular menus, but nothing about adding more complex items.
[17:30] <titeuf_87> Does anyone have some experience submitting an application with quickly submitubuntu that can help me out with some issues I have?
[18:52] <rafa_nunes> Hey guys
[18:53] <rafa_nunes> I am trying to creating something to apps showdown
[18:53] <rafa_nunes> How can add a python module in quickly? Just add to myprojetc/myproject_lib folder?
[18:57] <titeuf_87> rafa_nunes, that should work. And also using bzr add to add it to bazaar
[19:05] <rafa_nunes> Well, didn't work addint to myproj_lib
[19:05] <rafa_nunes> Just if I add to PYTHONPATH
[19:07] <titeuf_87> What error are you getting?
[19:07] <rafa_nunes> 'no module named...'
[19:08] <titeuf_87> Ah, have to change the __init__.py file too.
[19:09] <titeuf_87> Or alternatively you can just add your module in myproject/myproject, not in the lib directory.
[19:12] <rafa_nunes> If I add to myproj/myproj, I have to change something in __init__.py?
[19:13] <titeuf_87> Normally no.
[19:13] <rafa_nunes> Because It runs 'import mymodule' but not 'mymodule.othermodule'
[19:16] <titeuf_87> Those were just guesses, it's hard to say what's wrong without knowing the structure of your application and/or seeing the code.
[19:19] <rafa_nunes> Just runned quickly create ubuntu....etc
[19:19] <rafa_nunes> And trying to import some module into MyProjWindow.py
[19:19] <rafa_nunes> I am trying to import boto: https://github.com/boto/boto/
[19:20] <titeuf_87> Ah, that looks to be in the repository. Use that one instead of providing your own copy?
[19:24] <rafa_nunes> Any links how to do that?
[19:25] <titeuf_87> Can install python-boto from synaptic (or use sudo apt-get install python-boto)
[19:25] <titeuf_87> Quickly will detect that as a dependency when you use it in your application.
[19:26] <rafa_nunes> Oh, sure, I thought you mean in some quickly or app-showdown repo
[19:27] <rafa_nunes> Because If I add it in my python lib, how can I add it when I distribute my quickly app?
[19:28] <rafa_nunes> Users will have to install python-boto too, right?
[19:28] <titeuf_87> Yes, but Quickly will take care of that. It'll detect that your app uses python-boto and when users try to install it, it'll get automatically installed as a dependency.
[19:30] <rafa_nunes> Wow! This is really nice!
[19:32] <rafa_nunes> (Don't mind, coming from Java world, easy environment management is unimaginably...hah)
[19:32] <rafa_nunes> Thanks for your help!
[19:33] <titeuf_87> You're welcome, and good luck with your app!
[20:09] <joel135> i want to get better at reading existing code. where do you think i should start? suggestions of code that has good style would be appreciated :)
[20:36] <Guest36332> QUESTION:  ubuntu app showdown related. I did the quick tutorial of mybrowser, and installed the deb. how do I  uninstall this?
[20:55] <ominds> Hello all, trying to compile my app and getting fatal error: Python.h: No such file or directory, installed python-dev and python3-dev but no change, I'm using cmake and ubuntu 12.04 if that makes a difference
[21:18] <ominds> ?
[21:18] <ominds> anyone?
[21:53] <rafa_nunes> Any links how to use PreferencesDialog?
[21:55] <rafa_nunes> In quickly, I mean
[22:18] <Phoenix87> the application i'm developing should deploy an external extension, say a nautilus extension. Can I use python (maybe distutil) in order to install this extension alongside with the main app?


[10:45] <rmg51> Morning
[12:05] <JonathanD> Good zooday morning.
[12:20] <waltman> Morning.
[12:20] <waltman> JonathanD: Sorry, I don't think I'm quite up to going to the zoo yet.
[12:20] <JonathanD> :(
[12:20] <JonathanD> I am sad, waltman
[12:20] <JonathanD> I hope you feel better.
[12:21] <waltman> Thanks.
[12:21] <waltman> Maybe if I could manage to sleep for more than 90 minutes at a stretch...
[12:21] <JonathanD> Since you can't come to the zoo, I'll bring the lion over your place afterwards.
[12:22] <waltman> Awesome!
[12:29] <waltman> How many geeknicers are you expecting today?
[13:02] <JonathanD> waltman: unsure.
[13:02] <JonathanD> I had us pegged at about a dozen, but we'll see what happens. It's a bit colder than planned.
[13:02] <JonathanD> (not bad december temp, though)
[13:31] <InHisName> g'morning folks !
[13:48] <JonathanD> away we go, to the zoo :D
[20:50] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[20:50] <SamuraiAlba> I gots toys comins!
[20:51] <SamuraiAlba> HP D380 G4 and a Dell Powerconnect 3024 :)
[20:54] <andrew> * SamuraiAlba is now known as BaconGreeter *
[20:58] <BaconGreeter> got it :)
[21:00] <SamuraiAlba> Andrew, what's up?
[23:17] <InHisName> So, SamuraiAlba, you're now BaconGreeter too ?
[23:24] <SamuraiAlba> yup
[23:42] <SamuraiAlba> anyone know where to get the Leapstore Explorer SD card cartridge for GBA emulation?
[23:45] <InHisName> Buy too many toys the budget will not let you even buy a strip of bacon next year.  Add extra care to that spending.
[23:45] <InHisName> leapstore?   LeapFrog you mean ?
[23:51] <SamuraiAlba> Leapster Explorer
[23:51] <SamuraiAlba> Grammy got one for my 6 yr old cousin, and now she is screaming that there is a charge for ingame items to feed his pet, but she WONT return it
[23:51] <SamuraiAlba> Cart is $20 for USB/MicroSD :)
[23:53] <InHisName> I've been hanging out with a bunch of hacker/developers who have been tearing apart the didj and then the explorer and now some have even gotten the leappad.   Go to #didj to meet them.
[23:58] <BaconGreeter> In :)


[00:02] <pck-chem> Could anyone on Bug-Control set https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/221112 status to Triaged? or tell me why it shouldn't be? I'm learning.
[00:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221112 in rhythmbox "Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[00:06] <pck-chem> I'd also ask that you set importance to low, or again at least explain to me what is correct. Thanks!
[00:10] <macabro22> secretlondon: ok, done. Thanks
[00:10] <secretlondon> macabro22 which bug number?
[00:11] <macabro22> secretlondon: 222801
[00:12] <secretlondon> bug #222801
[00:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222801 in update-manager "hardy upgrade crashes at "preparing upgrade" " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222801
[00:12] <secretlondon> if you type in bug # and then the number the bot fetches it
[00:13] <macabro22> cool
[00:14] <macabro22> Did I report the bug properly?
[00:22] <secretlondon> macabro22 I'm looking at the bug
[00:23] <secretlondon> macabro22, could you attach your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[00:23] <secretlondon> you have lots of broken dependencies
[00:24] <secretlondon> could be the mirror you are using
[00:28] <macabro22> secretlondon: sure
[00:32] <secretlondon> macabro22, you also have an old version of update-manager
[00:33] <secretlondon> or maybe not, maybe that is the latest in gutsy
[00:37] <macabro22> secretlondon: yeah... I have everything updated. I hope at least
[00:37] <secretlondon> you have 2 unsupported repositories
[00:38] <secretlondon> the multimedia one could potentially break stuff depending on what's in there
[00:38] <secretlondon> but I think your best bet is to try with a different mirror
[00:42] <macabro22> secretlondon: should I comment out those lines before trying to upgrade?
[00:42] <secretlondon> yes I'd do that first
[00:42] <secretlondon> but it could be that the mirror you are using is out of date
[00:42] <macabro22> ok.. I will do that later, thanks.
[00:42] <secretlondon> I don't recognise the name of it, is there are official ubuntu mirror in brazil?
[00:43] <macabro22> I am not sure. I will just use the american one
[00:43] <macabro22> I gtg
[00:43] <secretlondon> ok
[00:43] <macabro22> thanks for the help
[00:43] <secretlondon> np
[00:43] <secretlondon> please update if fixed
[00:43] <macabro22> Sure
[00:43] <ffm> secretlondon, What other info should I ask for?
[00:43] <secretlondon> ffm for the openoffice bug?
[00:44] <ffm> secretlondon, mhm.
[00:45] <secretlondon> i'm not sure
[00:45] <secretlondon> it could be that they are trying to save to somewhere that doesn't exist
[00:45] <secretlondon> I don't know where the default saving location is set
[00:50] <secretlondon> I have a 5-a-day error, 103?
[00:52] <secretlondon> and now a crash..
[01:33] <calc> gah more than 30 bug mails just since noon :\
[01:34] <secretlondon> bah
[01:35] <crimsun> 30?  that would have been a slow day for me :/
[01:47] <calc> crimsun: that is for ~ 6-7hrs
[01:47] <calc> crimsun: so multiply by 3-4 to get a full days worth, if they continue at this rate :\
[02:25] <ffm> Should I set bugs like Bug #222850 as incomplete?
[02:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222850 in firefox-3.0 "I can't login in gmail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222850
[03:24] <calc> anyone know how to extract info from a ttf font that identifies it?
[03:32]  * calc used fontforge to open the font
[04:30] <crimsun> calc: yeah, I remember those flood days.
[05:48] <kristian42> i'm trying to track #218434 to a module. It was introduced 3-4 days before 8.04 release, and I have a few ideas about which modules it could be. Is there any kind of changelist available for ubuntu as a whole ?
[05:50] <persia> kristian42: There's an overview of uploaded changelogs available from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2008-April/thread.html (and other months).  This might help determine which packages were changed on a given date.
[05:50] <persia> Note that the mailing list tracks source changes, for binary updates, check your logs (/var/log/dpkg.log) to see what was updated when.
[05:52] <kristian42> thanks
[05:59] <calc> i don't know if my system is representative of all Vista machines, but i think the reason users aren't seeing the load cycle count on vista is that it constantly reads/writes a lot of data to the drive
[05:59] <calc> i left it alone for an hour and it was still doing crap
[06:00] <calc> so maybe the solution would be a vistaiod that would emulate vista's high i/o load ;-)
[06:04] <persia> Isn't that what trackerd is supposed to do?
[06:06] <calc> persia: it only does that for a short time then behaves
[06:06] <calc> persia: vista never stops writing/reading the disk, like forever
[06:06] <calc> for the first 15m or so that it was booted it was doing a constant 10MB/s+
[06:06] <persia> Ah.  That wasn't my experience, but maybe I didn't wait long enough.
[06:07] <calc> even when it slowed down it was still doing 0.5-1MB/s constantly
[06:07]  * calc thinks vista is a big pos
[06:49] <lucent> how... I can't find the answer so I'm going to ask here:  How to install Ubuntu server on RAID1 md ?
[06:49] <lucent> is that a work in progress, a bug, what?
[07:33] <CrippledCanary> how do I get anyone else to look at bug #221973?
[07:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221973 in smstools "smstools folder under /var/run isn't recreated after reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221973
[07:34] <CrippledCanary> i have filed a debdiff patch and subscribed motu-sru but should I do something else
[07:37] <persia> CrippledCanary: At this point, you're waiting for a member of the sru team to approve, and then you'll need a sponsor to upload.  When you get the approval, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug.
[07:42] <CrippledCanary> ok... thanks
[08:40] <iulian> G'morning
[10:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there. I think that it's time to tackle bug #49594
[10:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 49594 in gnome-session "Bonobo-activation-server sometimes is not killed after session restart, leading to many unexpected problems" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49594
[10:36] <ralph> Hi, how does one link a launchpad bug to a bug in an external bug tracker?  Bug #210890 is the one in question.  See the comment I've just added.
[10:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210890 in grep "egrep -o '^..' Doesn't Match Start of Line Correctly." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210890
[10:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnome has been suffering from this problem since version 2.0: sometimes you can't login, or you log in and your settings are not applied
[10:42] <ralph> Ah, I see, Also affects Project.    I think I've done it right.  Bug #210890.
[10:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210890 in grep "egrep -o '^..' Doesn't Match Start of Line Correctly." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210890
[13:41] <qwertyface> Hi, I'd like some help triaging a bug
[13:42] <qwertyface> I'm affected by #215753 in Hardy, which is currently marked as new
[13:43] <qwertyface> Can I just change it's status to confirmed?
[14:00] <lucent> bug #215753
[14:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215753 in ubuntu "Remapped Caps Lock key toggles Caps Lock light" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215753
[14:01] <qwertyface> I suspect that the correct package for it is gnome-settings-daemon
[14:27] <james_42> qwertyface:  Is you bug similar to bug #173350?  The descriptions sound similar.
[14:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173350 in gnome-control-center "Caps lock LED changes state even when caps lock is mapped to ctrl" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173350
[14:31] <qwertyface> james_42: Yes, that looks a lot like it.  I wonder how that didn't come up when I searched
[14:32] <qwertyface> I'll mark #215752 as a duplicate of that one
[14:32] <james_42> I actually found that through goggle
[14:33] <james_42> I'm reading through the rather long comments list, and it sounds like theres a work around, but that the bug has not been fixed yet.
[14:37] <qwertyface> james_42: I'm a programmer with a few hours to spare and an interest in seeing it fixed.  My C isn't up to much, but I can use a debugger.
[14:37] <qwertyface> Do you think I could help with it?
[14:45] <james_42> I imagine so, I'm just starting out helping with bugs myself  Have you looked at the helping with bugs page listed in the title of this channel?
[14:47] <james_42> reading of the comments of the older bug, this looks like a bug in Xorg server
[14:48] <qwertyface> I've looked at that page, yeah
[14:49] <qwertyface> The gnome bug suggests that the xorg bug may already be fixed upstream
[14:49] <james_42> I'm sure that if you con at least find out more specifically the bug is, someone will be able to help you get the bug patch included...
[14:50] <james_42> really? if the upstream is fixed, then as long as Ubuntu is using the fixed version, everything should be fine here...
[15:01] <james_42> Ya, I just found where they mention that they fix it should be fixed...
[15:01] <james_42> however, it doesn't look like anyone has check whether it was fixed upstream or not
[15:13] <qwertyface> I'm looking through the x.org bugzilla to find a report of the problem
[15:15] <james_42> me too :-)
[15:21] <bddebian> Boo
[15:25] <james_42> qwertyface: I found some that looked the same, but weren't.  Hope you have better luck
[15:28] <qwertyface> james_42: I'm doing some washing atm, so I haven't got far
[15:43] <james_42> qwertyface:  I was actually washing some dishes when i realised that I may have been searching the wrong Xorg bug tracker
[15:51] <julius> Hello
[15:52] <julius> I've found a bug about tomboy and I'm wondering if I have to report it on Launchpad or on Bugzilla. Maybe It's a problem with the ubuntu package... I don't know. Can you tell me please ?
[15:53] <persia> julius: If you aren't sure, please report in Launchpad.  Someone else will take a look if it is also upstream, and other people with the bug will see yours when they file.
[15:53] <qwertyface> james_42: are you looking in the freedesktop one?
[15:53] <qwertyface> That's where I'm looking
[15:54] <persia> If you have time, and want to investigate to try to understand the cause, and it ends up being upstream, Launchpad can link to the upstream bug, so it can track in which releases of Ubuntu the bug gets fixed.
[15:56] <julius> persia, thank you very much ! I'm going to report this bug right now
[15:57] <james_42> qwertyface: Ya I think I was looking in the freedesktop one too
[15:58] <lucent> some bugs are unfixable
[15:59] <lucent> like making usplash work on *everyone's* PC
[15:59] <lucent> never going to happen.
[15:59] <persia> No bug is unfixable.  Sometimes fixing is worse than not fixing.  Sometimes bugs are very, very, very hard.
[16:00] <lucent> persia: you can't make usplash work on everyone's PC, because there are popular combinations of monitor and graphics card, and not even to mention the BIOS settings... it is a mess
[16:00] <persia> lucent: Right.  That's in the class of very, very, very hard.
[16:01] <lucent> I just wrapped through making it work on my mom's computer
[16:01] <lucent> there's 5-6 different bugs filed and they all say the same thing, it doesn't work, here's how "I" made it work, and there you go
[16:01] <lucent> solve it one place, it breaks the other place
[16:01] <james_42> qwertyface: I think we were both looking in the right place, freedesktop...but it doesn't seem to be there....
[16:02] <lucent> persia: maybe it's not a bug, it's a known platform issue
[16:03] <persia> That would be a bug.
[16:03] <lucent> a bug with no reasonable prospect of closing ;P
[16:03] <persia> Fixing it requires adding significant quirk handling to usplash.  This makes usplash bigger and slower.  It might be a case of fixing being worse than not fixing, but I've not investigated enough, and still believe it's only very, very, very hard.
[16:04] <lucent> heh
[16:04] <persia> On the other hand, sometimes it's useful to have bugs like that open.  Another example is the gnome-phone-manager bug about it not working with $phone.
[16:05] <persia> This is always a case of upstream not having the right data to recognize the phone, but because the bug remains open, people see it as a possible dup when filing, see that they need to file their phone upstream, and it typically works on their phone for the next release (or the one thereafter).
[16:05] <lucent> I can't tell on this term, is that env var {phone} or "ess-phone"
[16:07] <persia> variable phone.
[16:07] <lucent> dig it, okay.
[16:07] <lucent> I do think bug #1 is fixable though
[16:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[16:10] <Stefan1800> hi. i updated ubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 and now the kernel hangs on boot during SATA/CDROM/SCSI detection. if i wait some time, i get a busybox commandline.
[16:11] <qwertyface> james_42: Maybe I should try to hassle someone in an x.org IRC channel, see if anyone knows where the fix was applied
[16:14] <james_42> qwertyface:  I think you'll need to poke someone at the x.org channel.  I did a search off all bugs, in all products looking for capslock, and couldn't find anything
[16:18] <james_42> qwertyface:  I need to be heading off, I hope you can get this bug resolved
[16:18] <qwertyface> james_42: thanks very much for your help.
[16:18] <qwertyface> It's appreciated
[16:56] <stephaneguedon> hello
[16:57] <stephaneguedon> I wish to report a bug
[16:57] <stephaneguedon> but there is multiples implications
[16:57] <stephaneguedon> in multiples softwares
[16:58] <stephaneguedon> anyone can say me what I can do ?
[16:59] <stephaneguedon> the problem concern smb clients with ubuntu hardy
[17:01] <stephaneguedon> smb4k don't work
[17:01] <stephaneguedon> konqueror doesn't work too
[17:03] <stephaneguedon> where can I report the bug correctly (it is not konqueror !)
[17:03] <stephaneguedon> ?
[17:16] <qense> hello
[17:17] <stephaneguedon> hello
[17:17] <stephaneguedon> hello qense
[17:18] <stephaneguedon> are you a develloper for U ?
[17:18] <qense> U?
[17:18] <stephaneguedon> ubuntu
[17:18] <qense> no
[17:18] <qense> I'm a Bug Triager :)
[17:18] <stephaneguedon> ok
[17:18] <stephaneguedon> triager ?
[17:19] <stephaneguedon> hello Captain Morgan
[17:19] <qense> I check if bugs are valid and complete enough to pass on to the actual developers
[17:20] <stephaneguedon> quense > so you can help me maybe !
[17:20] <qense> ok
[17:20] <qense> what's your question?
[17:20] <stephaneguedon> do you know there is a problem on the smb clients in hardy ?
[17:21] <qense> I'm not really into smb, I work more with other packages
[17:21] <stephaneguedon> hum
[17:21] <stephaneguedon> ok
[17:22] <stephaneguedon> where can I report this bug if you know ?
[17:22] <qense> you can report bugs at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[17:22] <stephaneguedon> because it concern multiples applications I think
[17:22] <qense> ok
[17:23] <stephaneguedon> konqueror, maybe nautilus, smb4k
[17:23] <qense> if you're not sure what's the exact cause, please describe the problem as detailed as possible in a bug report and we will help you out
[17:23] <stephaneguedon> here, or in the bugs.launchpad ?
[17:23] <qense> bugs.launchpad.net
[17:24] <stephaneguedon> ok
[17:26] <qense> How is hardy doing atm? Did any major bugs were still open or reported after the release last friday?
[17:27] <stephaneguedon> you mean the hardy upgrade ?
[17:27] <stephaneguedon> I have made it yesterday
[17:28] <stephaneguedon> via adept-manager
[17:28] <stephaneguedon> in the rigth way
[17:28] <stephaneguedon> it's not devellopements packages...
[17:29] <stephaneguedon> I don't read similary bug in launchpad
[17:29] <stephaneguedon> I will write it
[17:31] <qense> well, I was asking everyone here :) I was just curious
[17:54] <stephaneguedon> I have done comment in two bugs reports...
[17:58] <qense> ok
[17:58] <qense> now you'll just have to wait for a reply :)
[18:01] <stephaneguedon> I quit
[18:01] <stephaneguedon> tanks
[18:01] <stephaneguedon> and have a nice day
[18:38] <marnanel> What is standard operating procedure here?  Someone has got themselves subscribed to a bug I'm working on, and left a message in Portuguese which apparently says "Don't send me any more of this; I don't speak English and I don't know why you're sending me this stuff.  I am annoyed and I'm having to classify it all as spam! DAMMIT!!!"
[18:38] <marnanel> But I don't speak any Portuguese.
[18:38]  * marnanel thinks working on Launchpad stuff should make me learn a lot more languages...
[18:40] <hggdh> secretlondon: good afternoon; were you able to find anything on the bloody e-d-s loop?
[18:40] <secretlondon> hggdh, well putting one of them to 60 didn't make a difference
[18:40] <hggdh> marnanel: what bug?
[18:40] <secretlondon> as I got it when I logged in
[18:40] <hggdh> secretlondon: and putting both of them at 60?
[18:41] <secretlondon> hggdh, not tried, and I'm supposed to be at a lug curry event in an hour
[18:41] <marnanel> hggdh: bug 221144
[18:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221144 in gnome-terminal "After upgrading to hardy, gnome-terminal windows are not properly restored on login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/221144
[18:41] <secretlondon> hggdh, so I'll try that later and let you know
[18:41] <hggdh> secretlondon: no hurry, just curious. And I am really glad for all your help :-)
[18:42] <secretlondon> I really want this thing fixed!
[18:42]  * marnanel considers suggesting to the philly loco that it should have curry events
[18:42] <secretlondon> I get it 90% of logins!
[18:46] <hggdh> marnanel: yes, he subscribed himself, it seems, and does not know enough English to unsubscribe. I added a note for him. I Also asked him to maintain a bit more of respect and education.
[18:47] <hggdh> secretlondon: and I get it never :-( life is not fair
[18:48] <secretlondon> hggdh, I think not getting bugs is generally a good thing
[18:48] <hggdh> secretlondon: I agree, but if I had this one I would probably have a solution by now...
[18:49] <hggdh> at least, I hope
[18:49] <secretlondon> yeah, maybe you need to find some older hardware (if you have some)
[18:51] <hggdh> I do have a single-cpu at home (currently powered off), but I have been on the road for the last 3 months :-(
[18:52] <secretlondon> :(
[18:52] <secretlondon> you're in France?
[18:52] <hggdh> yes, Paris. Nice city, and all of that, but I miss my family and my dogs
[18:52] <secretlondon> I bet
[18:56] <hggdh> marnanel: also (sorry, I forgot to *really* read your initial question) the SOP is to advise the unhappy subscriber to unsubscribe and maintain decorum. Of course, not knowing the language to do that makes it a bit more difficult
[18:58] <JohnPhy1> is it possible to disable pulseaudio?
[18:58] <hggdh> k. So, now, I will return to the hotel bar and to my bordeaux. Cheers, saúde, la haim, prost, etc.
[18:58] <marnanel> hggdh: Thank you.  I will go and try and find someone who speaks pt to translate that
[18:58] <hggdh> marnanel: already done
[18:58] <hggdh> I do speak pt
[19:02] <marnanel> hggdh: oh :) sorry, I didn't realise.  Thank you so muh!
[19:02] <marnanel> +c
[19:11] <secretlondon> goes for curry
[19:22] <zyx386> what is about this bug in Hardy? 191889
[19:25] <ompaul> 223175
[19:25] <ompaul> now thats a show stopper
[19:26]  * ompaul watches people run away ;-)
[19:29] <zyx386> _?
[19:30] <ffm> Someone care to triage/set priority of bug #218492? It currently causes upgrades to fail if the package is installed.
[19:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218492 in phpbb2 "Hardy Upgrade freezes on phpbb2-conf-mysql " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218492
[19:42] <afflux> hi
[19:42] <qense> hello
[20:11] <CaptainMorgan> please point me to where to report bugs... or find them for that matter... I had the link but I've since lost it....
[20:13] <qense> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ ;)
[20:19] <warren_> hi, can someone look at my request, Bug #223223
[20:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 223223 in hardy-backports "Update KMess" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223223
[20:45] <sbarjola> hi, when a bug reported says that last update solve the problem,.. set to Invalid?
[20:46] <greg-g> sbarjola: which bug?
[20:49] <sbarjola> bug 204491
[20:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204491 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "Lost sound after upgrading from Fiesty to Hardy Alpha 6 w/ motherboard (ECS K7S5A) based sound SiS 735 chipset" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204491
[20:50] <greg-g> sbarjola: yeah, invalid for that one
[20:50] <greg-g> sbarjola: thanks!
[20:51] <sbarjola> ok
[20:52] <greg-g> sbarjola: when I mark bugs as invalid like that I usually put a comment like "Since the reporter of the bug stated the problem is fixed with latest update I am closing this bug."
[20:54] <sbarjola> thanks, I comment with something similar
[20:56] <greg-g> no problem
[22:40] <Invert314> i suppose drawing attention here to the bug that's preventing me from installing hardy won't eliminate the bug any sooner?
[22:40] <Invert314> actually a work around would be really nice
[22:41] <howapt> It would probably help to mention the bug
[22:41] <Invert314> oh?
[22:41]  * howapt nods
[22:42] <Invert314> fdisk, TestDisk and nautilus see all 6 of my partitions, while ubiquity and gparted see only one hard disc
[22:42] <Invert314> here is the launch pad link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parted/+bug/209974
[22:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209974 in parted "Xubuntu Hardy live installer doesn't detect HDD partitions" [High,New]
[22:42] <Invert314> here is my forum thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766355
[22:42]  * Invert314 = Drone4four
[22:43] <howapt> you tried asking in #ubuntu ?
[22:43]  * Invert314 is dying to jump back into Ubuntu so he can show off compiz-fusion git master to his family and friends when he moves back home tomorrow lolol
[22:43] <Invert314> howapt, yes
[22:44] <Invert314> 2 ppl said "strange"
[22:44]  * howapt pretends he didnt think it
[22:44] <Invert314> howapt, are you a developer?
[22:45] <howapt> no but I often fantasise about being one
[22:45] <howapt> does that help?
[22:45] <Invert314> i fantasize about being a compiz-fusion and e17 developer
[22:45] <Invert314> howapt, can you at least commit bug fixes?
[22:45] <howapt> alas, I cannot
[22:45] <Invert314> aww, me2
[22:46] <Invert314> we're in the same boat
[22:49] <calc> heh e17
[22:49] <calc> thats been in development for what 10 years? :)
[22:49]  * calc thinks duke nukem forever will be out before e17 final
[22:50] <howapt> I thought e17 made the original Worms game
[22:51] <Invert314> calc, are you an Ubuntu  developer?
[22:51] <calc> thats team17
[22:51] <calc> Invert314: yea
[22:51] <calc> howapt: sorry forgot to reference you wrt team17
[22:51] <howapt> haha, team17, good times...
[22:51] <calc> but yea i think e16 came out probably around the time worms did ;-)
[22:52] <Invert314> cool - did you take a look at my launchpad link? can you think of a work around?
[22:52] <calc> and e17 final still isn't out yet ;-)
[22:52] <calc> Invert314: looking at it now
[22:52] <Invert314> sweet =D
[22:52] <Invert314> e17 is stable imho
[22:52] <Invert314> every now and then a window pops in and out of existence, but it never crashes
[22:52] <Invert314> e17 is way more stable than compiz fusion
[22:54] <calc> Invert314: colin watson or evan d is the most likely person to be able to fix it
[22:55] <calc> Invert314: the post about it thinking the drive was a loop file is probably the issue
[22:55] <calc> Invert314: at least if that is why it happens every time it shows up like that anyway
[22:55] <Invert314> hmmm, do you think it would be alright for me to message colin watson or evan d?
[22:55] <Invert314> do colin and evan hang out on irc?
[22:56]  * calc wouldn't be surprised if compiz seems unstable partially because x apps aren't all coded to standard (like *cough* OOo)
[22:56] <calc> Invert314: colin is cjwatson evan is evand
[22:56] <Invert314> on irc?
[22:56] <calc> Invert314: yes
[22:56] <calc> i don't know if either would be around right now though
[22:56] <Invert314> do they hang out in this channel or #ubuntu-devel?
[22:57] <howapt> cant you just /msg him?
[22:57] <calc> probably both
[22:57] <calc> evand is at least online right now, not sure if he is idle
[22:57] <calc> he is in #ubuntu-devel
[22:58] <Invert314> if they were to fix the problem, would i have to wait until intrepid to use Ubuntu again?
[22:58] <calc> Invert314: if they fix it they may respin a disk, not really sur
[22:58] <calc> or they may wait for 8.04.1 which will be in about a month
[22:59] <calc> but they would probably give you a test disc or something to verify the fix actually works as well that you could use to install
[23:02] <Invert314> thanks calc for doing giving me these pointers and such
[23:02] <Invert314> minus doing
[23:02] <calc> np :)
[23:23]  * calc sees debian is up to its political/cabalish self, i'm so glad i don't maintain anything directly in debian anymore :-\
[23:24]  * calc thinks ubuntu's main improvement isn't its 6mo release cycle but the lack of that crap
[23:34] <mohbana> oh my god
[23:40] <mdke> hi
[23:41] <mdke> I noticed a user is opening a lot of duplicates via apport; and haven't any time left before bed to continue going through and checking them / marking them as duplicates
[23:41] <mdke> if anyone has the inclination, the bug I've chosen to use as the parent bug is bug 223324
[23:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 223324 in scrollkeeper "package gnome-user-guide 2.22.0+svn20080407ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223324
[23:41] <mdke> and the list of potential duplicates is at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~theheavensblade/
[23:42] <mdke> thanks for any help
[23:44] <iulian> Sure, will take a look.
[23:45] <mdke> thanks, gnight
[23:47] <iulian> Good night.
[23:47] <mohbana> hey guys
[23:48] <mohbana> emergency question,i get random logouts
[23:48] <mohbana> where can i find a log
[23:49] <pochu> mohbana: look at /var/log/gdm/\:0.log, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and ~/.xsession-errors
[23:52] <mohbana> ok pochu i think i've found it can you look at it?
[23:53] <mohbana> pochu: it says 'Fatal server error:
[23:53] <mohbana> , Caught signal 11.  Server aborting
[23:53] <mohbana> ' any idea?
[23:54] <mohbana> pochu: thanks alot
[23:54] <mohbana> http://pastebin.com/m2832e344
[23:56] <mohbana> cat  /var/log/gdm/\:0.log.1
[23:56] <mohbana>  ... something also very similar, http://pastebin.com/m3754276.  someone please help :(, it just randomly logouts especially when using firefox