[00:01] <Sheilong> Hi guys  I am having trouble to install  libgl1-mesa-dev on ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[00:01] <Sheilong> The paste with the log error https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2qa7MZ1H/ubuntu
[00:03] <oerheks> run a full update first: sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[00:04] <hidef> oerheks: I'm trying reinstall now but it looks like and stock again at 82%
[00:04] <oerheks> building that dkms takes time, be patient
[00:05] <hidef> sounds good
[00:05] <hays> how reasonable is it to do a dist-update between LTS versions vs. reinstall
[00:05] <neal__> also, is the ubuntu software center the same as apt-get, just with a UI? Or is it a completely different deal?
[00:05] <oerheks> same resources, neal__
[00:06] <Sheilong> I have done it also
[00:06] <Sheilong> did not work either
[00:08] <guiverc> neal__, software centre doesn't list all packages; apt-get can install any package your sources have enabled
[00:08] <guiverc> (but outside of fewer packages being listed in software.centre; they do come from same place!)
[00:10] <pantato> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XhnXJtSM2W/ dear God...what did I do!?!
[00:12] <hidef> oerheks: how long would you say like 10min ?
[00:13] <Goop> Anyone have a video editting software they suggest?
[00:13] <Goop> OpenShot is pretty buggy.
[00:13] <EriC^^> kdenlive ?
[00:14] <Sheilong> Please a one could help me understand why am I unable to install libgl1-mesa-dev
[00:14] <EriC^^> Sheilong: post the errors
[00:14] <EriC^^> !Paste | Sheilong
[00:14] <Sheilong> EriC^^: I did it already
[00:15] <Sheilong> The paste with the log error https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2qa7MZ1H/ubuntu
[00:15] <Sheilong>

[00:15] <Sheilong> this is the link
[00:15] <pantato> Sheilong:
[00:15] <EriC^^> seems like some ppa issue
[00:15] <EriC^^> what does "apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-glx" show?
[00:16] <hidef> oerheks still on ?
[00:16] <hays> pantato: looks like this isn't working https://gemfury.com/mdupain/deb:skypeforlinux/-/content/usr/bin/skypeforlinux
[00:16] <Sheilong> The output  https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/EFYrzxCH/
[00:16] <pantato> Sheilong: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[00:16] <oerheks> hidef, can be 10 minutes, i don't know.. as long as hdd led blinks/caps still work
[00:17] <hidef> ok
[00:17] <pantato> hays: ah good, i thought it may have been related to another issue i'm having. I can't configure, update, or remove the kernel update via apt or aptitude
[00:17] <EriC^^> Sheilong: which ubuntu version?
[00:18] <pantato> hays: i think it may have been after i created some symlink for something or other but i can't recall what for the life of me
[00:19] <hays> maybe you can look at your command history?
[00:19] <pantato> hays: pretty sure it's too far back but i'll give it a go
[00:21] <pantato> ah yes it was because Steam was giving me grief
[00:21] <pantato> i remember that much now
[00:21] <dabbler> what would be the terminal equivalent of checking the "natural scrolling" box in Settings > Devices >Mouse & Touchpad?
[00:21] <pantato> hays: sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/readlink
[00:21] <pantato> hays: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/klibc/bin/readlink /usr/bin/readlink
[00:22] <hays> well that seems like a lead
[00:22] <pantato> hays: ever since i executed those commands i haven't been able to run apt or aptitude without a bucket of errors. Could be causation or correlation
[00:22] <pantato> I have no idea though. The errors are so vague
[00:22] <pantato> I'll post in a sec
[00:22] <hidef> dabbler: arrow up down ?
[00:23] <Sheilong> EriC^^: 16.04Lts
[00:23] <dabbler> dabbler: lol smh no
[00:23] <EriC^^> dabbler: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.mouse natural-scroll true
[00:23] <dabbler> oops. i don't usually talk to myself
[00:24] <EriC^^> !info libgl1-mesa-glx bionic
[00:24] <hays> pantato: probably a bad idea to override /bin/readlink
[00:24] <dabbler> EriC^^: thing is I don't have GNOME installed. I'm using JWM
[00:24] <EriC^^> Sheilong: can you run sudo apt-get update then try the command i gave you again?
[00:25] <Sheilong> EriC^^: I've already did it
[00:25] <pantato> hays: ...yeah. Know any quick way to possibly undo it or am I pretty much SOL?
[00:25] <EriC^^> dabbler: hmm not sure, try "gsettings list-recursively | grep natural" does it show anything?
[00:26] <dabbler> EriC^^: i have no gsettings
[00:26] <EriC^^> dabbler: ah ok
[00:26] <pantato> hays: could i possibly remove and reinstall coreutils package in 1 command?
[00:26] <hays> pantato: dpkg -S /usr/local/bin/readlink
[00:26] <hays> if that is empty id just rm /usr/local/bin/readlink
[00:27] <hidef> oerheks: led only blinks when I switch over to terminal for like 5 times then it stops what you think it still working on it ?
[00:27] <pantato> hays: i didn't overwrite the one in localbin
[00:27] <Thedarkb> I'm having trouble with suspend.
[00:27] <pantato> hays: i overwrote the one in /usr/bin
[00:27] <pantato> does that matter?
[00:27] <Thedarkb> https://pastebin.com/jY51B6ED
[00:27] <Thedarkb> here are my dmesgs
[00:27] <Sheilong> EriC^^: any radical idea?
[00:27] <Thedarkb> I ran pm-suspend
[00:28] <hays> my ubuntu install doesn't have anything in /usr/bin/readlink
[00:28] <hays> but check to see if a package owns it
[00:28] <EriC^^> Sheilong: nope seems pretty odd
[00:28] <Sheilong> = /
[00:28] <dabbler> I'm guessing I need an X-server level solution. The most recent instruction I've found online is this one (http://unixnme.blogspot.com/2016/10/how-to-reverse-mouse-scroll-direction.html) but in 18.04 the file it refers to ( /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf ) doesn't exist.
[00:29] <pantato> hays: i'll just remove it , eff it
[00:30] <pantato> hays: i have realpath in /usr/local/bin/ but not readlink
[00:31] <hays> pantato: i'd consider if you are going to do weird stuff to do it in $HOME/.local
[00:32] <pantato> hays: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WbZGhw6Xpb/
[00:33] <boblamont> is there a way to have the settings of anything I put in the public folder automatically change to View Content: Anyone?
[00:33] <pantato> hays: that's the error
[00:33] <Thedarkb> Problem solved
[00:33] <Thedarkb> Device 0000:05:00.0 failed to suspend async: error -110
[00:33] <Thedarkb> lspci | grep 05:00 got me...
[00:34] <Thedarkb> 05:00.0 USB controller: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720202 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 02)
[00:34] <Thedarkb> It's my shitty USB 3.0 card.
[00:34] <Thedarkb> problem solved.
[00:35] <pantato> woooo it's doing something different
[00:35] <pantato> ITS GONNA WORK!!!
[00:35] <pantato> HAIL 14.04
[00:35] <SporkWitch> 14.04 is EOL...
[00:35] <pantato> nvm. still screwed
[00:36] <pantato> SporkWitch: I like it. It has charm
[00:36] <SporkWitch> it's EOL; no new updates, and that includes security
[00:36] <pantato> i am not gonna update my OS every 5 years that is just unreasonable
[00:37] <pantato> especially with all the PPAs I use
[00:37] <hays> pantato: not sure--have you tried apt clean and other things like that
[00:37] <SporkWitch> as compared to windows, where an annual reinstall is recomended lol
[00:37] <pantato> hays: that's a good idea!
[00:37] <pantato> hays: I'm gonna see what happens with this process first
[00:37] <Thedarkb> I think I need to reinstall.
[00:38] <pantato> Thedarkb: what's going on?
[00:38] <Thedarkb> pantato, Random kerneloopses
[00:38] <SporkWitch> my mistake, 14.04 isn't COMPLETELY in the grave until NEXT april
[00:39] <pantato> lol now it just says it's half installed and doesn't give me a detailed error, hays
[00:39] <hidef> does someone knows how long the it takes build the dkms module ? its hang up at 82%
[00:39] <hidef> hung up sorry
[00:40] <pantato> https://paste.debian.net/1028831/ @ hays
[00:41] <hays> half-installed.. weird
[00:42] <hays> maybe try uninstalling linux-image-extra-4.4.0-116-generic
[00:42] <hays> sorry, also maybe someone else knows whats going on
[00:44] <hays> pantato: maybe https://askubuntu.com/questions/650732/apt-fails-to-remove-partially-installed-kernel-and-cant-install-any-other-packa/652077#652077
[00:46] <pantato> hays: heh actually trying something like that right now
[00:47] <pantato> it's just stuck unpacking the linux-headers package lol
[00:47] <pantato> thank god i can still boot. I just tried rebooting. lulz windows fix
[00:51] <pantato> I wonder if my SSD is dying all of a sudden. This is taking way longer than it ever has.
[00:54] <pantato> ...ok I ran apt-get install --reinstall coreutils ... trying autoremove, tried installing the headers pacakage again...now there seems to be no errors
[00:54]  * pantato squints suspiciously
[00:57] <hays> autoclean, clean, autoremove
[01:01] <GunqqerFriithian> person from #KDE told me to ask here (for some reason). Im using 16.04.04 LTS with kde plasma 5.8.something and the global menu widgit doesn't seem to exist anywhere
[01:05] <pantato> hays: all is well now. Thanks for your help! I just needed a little mental push to go that far back in my history.
[01:05] <hays> cool
[01:05] <pantato> I'm gonna remain a rebellious EOL'er until Ubuntu security forces invade my home and force me to upgrade
[01:05] <hays> why
[01:05] <afidegnum> what's the EOL date of ubuntu 16?
[01:06] <EriC^^> +5 years
[01:06] <afidegnum> i can see 18.04 is out, do we have all stable packages up till date?
[01:06] <guiverc> afidegnum, 16.04 = 2016.April = 5 years
[01:06] <pantato> hays: I just have a lot of ppas and also later versions I've tried have been buggy, particularly when booting with the new systemd change.
[01:06] <afidegnum> maybe i should stick to the 16 for the mean time,
[01:06] <pantato> 14.04 has just been the most solid for me. I like it a lot. I will try 18.04 one of these days
[01:06] <guiverc> but note universe software usually has 3 years of supported life (you need to check for each package) - 5 years for LTS is 'main' only
[01:07] <hays> yeah im not in love with systemd either
[01:07] <GunqqerFriithian> is 18.04.01 out yet?
[01:07] <guiverc> GunqqerFriithian, another month is eta (26-july i think from memory)
[01:07] <GunqqerFriithian> Hrm.
[01:07] <pantato> hays: 15,16,17 just all *felt* off. I can't really explain it. Just felt less solid/more clunky
[01:08] <pantato> if I reinstall I'll probably just do debian with lxde
[01:08] <pantato> I miss openbox
[01:08] <pantato> I know I can run it on this install but...meh
[01:09] <pantato> I have this weird bug with openbox based WMs where when I use a microphone my screen freezes for 3 seconds...pisses me off
[01:09] <afidegnum>  i can see ubuntu is just behaving like microsoft, where win8 didn't last before 10 is out, the same is 17 and 18
[01:10] <pantato> win 8.1 is the fastest windows, right?
[01:10] <GunqqerFriithian> not having windows is the fastest windows
[01:10] <pantato> having new hardware is not being able to tell the difference
[01:11] <pantato> I'm big into Quake Live nowadays. Sad there's no port for the penguin :(
[01:11] <GunqqerFriithian> lol I got an i5-2430M and no dedicated graphics
[01:11] <afidegnum> pantato: unless you run benchmark test to your apps to determine it
[01:11] <afidegnum> it depends on the features added
[01:12] <pantato> i have some pirated copy of windows 8.1 that comes with all the bloat and crap removed and the start menu fixed. It probably has a rootkit but idc I just game on it.
[01:12] <hays> my desktop machine is arch--i prefer a rolling distro for my desktop. then ubuntu for server
[01:12] <Thedarkb> pantato, That's why you should play Quake III Arena.
[01:12] <Thedarkb> Or QuakeWorld
[01:12] <pantato> Thedarkb: but muh rail gun and muh population
[01:12] <Thedarkb> Rail gun?
[01:12] <GunqqerFriithian> can't stand windows, dont even care about games
[01:12] <pantato> Thedarkb: no rail in quakeworld
[01:12] <Thedarkb> That's literally from Quake III
[01:13] <hays> my desktop machine doesn't even have grub. boots in like 3 seconds
[01:13] <pantato> Thedarkb: ql has more peeps than q3
[01:13] <hays> kinda fun
[01:13] <Thedarkb> Quake Live is even on the same engine.
[01:13] <Thedarkb> QuakeWorld has the shaft though.
[01:13] <pantato> Thedarkb: QL has the shaft
[01:13] <Thedarkb> Oh yeah, Q3A has it too......
[01:14] <pantato> QuakeWOrld is respectable for sure. But I come from 15 years of CS so my rail gun is like my only strong point atm lol
[01:14] <hays> the downside is that every time i update it seems like there is need to reboot. they release kernels like its going out of style
[01:14] <Thedarkb> QuakeWorld has the best physics of all the Quakes.
[01:14] <pantato> Thedarkb: why's that?
[01:14] <Thedarkb> The physics engine was simplified in later versions.
[01:14] <pantato> I think CPMA is the best of all Quakes. No way of disputing that IMO...just no people playing :(
[01:14] <Thedarkb> There's less friction.
[01:14] <Thedarkb> in QuakeWorld.
[01:16] <Thedarkb> The physics engine was partially tied to framerate though so later Quakes ditched it for a simpler one.
[01:17] <pantato> dat feel when playing quake live at 640x480 on a CRT monitor running at 180 hz
[01:17] <afidegnum> can anyone give me link to download the 16 version?
[01:17] <oerheks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[01:18] <Gorodish> SET theme liszt.theme
[01:18] <Gorodish> SET theme liszt.theme
[01:18] <afidegnum> thanks a lo
[01:18] <afidegnum> lot
[01:19] <krytarik> Gorodish: "/SET theme liszt"
[01:19] <GunqqerFriithian> other than /home, what should I backup to make it so I can fresh install and restore and have everything be the same/configured the same
[01:19] <Thedarkb> I was thinking of buying a CRT monitor just to experiment with high refresh rates.
[01:19] <Gorodish> ok
[01:23] <vfw> GunqqerFriithian: In order to have all applications and everything just as you have now, you would need a complete hard drive backup which would mean you would have a second hard drive installed and clone to it periodically.  (Not really all that practical.)
[01:24] <GunqqerFriithian> could I do a full system backup say once a fortnight and do incrementaly daily like I normally do
[01:24] <hays> i thought modern monitors were down around 2-3ms response. no?
[01:24] <dabbler> following an askubuntu answer, I made a modification to one of the files in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/. to allow for package upgrades, should I have instead added the modified sections to /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[01:25] <dabbler> (the change had the effect I wanted)
[01:27] <vfw> dabbler: We would need to see the askubuntu answer you are referring to.
[01:28] <dabbler> https://askubuntu.com/a/929178/207262
[01:29] <oerheks> that /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ solution is correct
[01:29] <dabbler> that file won't be overwritten or held back during a package update?
[01:29] <oerheks> indeed, but did you look at : org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.mouse and check the box for "natural-scroll".
[01:30] <dabbler> i don't have gnome installed
[01:30] <oerheks> oh oke
[01:30] <oerheks> then go by your custom conf, that folder is used to generate the xorg.conf
[01:31] <vfw> dabbler: What Desktop Environment do you use?
[01:31] <dabbler> vfw: JWM
[01:31] <dabbler> vfw: it's on a single-board comp
[01:31] <vfw> dabbler: Well, it it works, you are done. ;)
[01:32] <dabbler> vfw: i'm just trying to make sure it stays done and has minimal chance of being broken by or breaking something down the road
[01:32] <dabbler> i thought machine configuration was generally supposed to go in /etc/
[01:34] <Bashing-om> dabbler: XServer is just not the "basic" graphics layer... It's also how the keyboard, mouse, touchpad, gamecontroller, etc. interact in that layer... the /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d directory usually just contains files for those interactive pointing devices.
[01:35] <GunqqerFriithian> with dd if is the read from, right?
[01:36] <dabbler> Bashing-om: is it just kind of a historical idiosyncrasy that they're in /usr/share/ instead of /etc/ ?
[01:37] <dabbler> i thought share dirs were generally things supplied by packages (and potentially changed by them when updating)
[01:39] <vfw> dabbler: Your configuration will more-than-likely not get changed by a subsequent update but save a note on what you've done just in case.
[01:39] <dabbler> vfw: yeah, i've noted it
[01:40] <vfw> dabbler: I have a big-ole notes.txt file I save stuff like that in.  I just do a key-word search to find what I need.
[01:42] <dabbler> i was specifically wondering whether the most "proper" solution would copy sections of those …/xorg.conf.d/ files over to my xorg.conf and modify them there?
[01:43] <vfw> dabbler: You could also keep a backup of the config file.  /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/myfile.conf.bak
[01:44] <dabbler> i read that xorg.conf isn't supposed to be necessary any more, but i have one since my JWM won't start if i remove it
[01:44] <nezZario> Can someone explain to me how exactly ubuntu is derived from debian?  I mean, in the most technical of manners?  I keep seeing ubuntu is "basically debian testing" but that doensn't really explain much to me.  I mean, is ubuntu constantly taking debian testing's apt repos and applying it's ubuntu-ness patches over it, .. or what?  I mean I'm asking, how exactly are the apt repos "generated" if that makes sense
[01:45] <vfw> dabbler: xorg.conf file is not needed in most cases, but if you create one, it will be used.
[01:45] <dabbler> vfw: apparently not to the exclusion of the xorg.conf.d stuff, though
[01:46] <vfw> dabbler: Yea, that is different.
[01:46] <oerheks> nezZario, indeed https://www.ubuntu.com/community/debian
[01:47] <dabbler> vfw: know any good tutorials on the xorg configuration process? :p
[01:49] <vfw> dabbler: There are utilities that will generate an xorg.conf file.
[01:49] <vfw> ... a couple  anyway...
[01:50] <vfw> dabbler: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xorg#Using_xorg.conf
[01:53] <vfw> dabbler: The xorg.conf file will need to be custom made for your particular GPU.
[01:55] <dabbler> vfw: the one that gets my setup to work is very basic — see http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-HDMI . do you think it's necessary because the driver is fbdev and that's not something the auto-config will try?
[01:56] <pantato> nezZario: same package manager and file system
[01:58] <pantato> nezZario: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28324/how-is-ubuntu-based-on-debian
[01:59] <pantato> nezZario: https://i.stack.imgur.com/RuUWv.png
[02:03] <dabbler> vfw: hang on. i'm about to see if it successfully auto-configs after installing the x11-xserver-utils package
[02:06] <swift110> hey
[02:17] <hays> whoa 1804 supports zfs. wow
[02:17] <hays> if xfs that crusty heh
[02:19] <hays> i wonder if that means i have a zfs volume on a freebsd box I can just mount that right on some ubuntu
[02:21] <dabbler> vfw: nope, still doesn't work
[02:21] <dabbler> vfw: oh well. i guess i'll just keep my xorg.conf
[02:23] <dabbler> vfw: nothing stands out in Xorg.0.log, and the xserver seems to be running. its output just isn't going to the screen. the console stays on the screen
[02:24] <jlucas> Anybody else have problems performing "sudo apt install **ANYTHING**" when using ipv6 as your primary network?
[02:25] <jlucas> Mine seems to always get stuck on "0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1560:8001::14)]"
[02:29] <oerheks> apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv6=true update > https://www.vultr.com/docs/force-apt-get-to-ipv4-or-ipv6-on-ubuntu-or-debian
[03:39] <hjgoihgalk> any one
[03:39] <TimeDoctor> hi
[03:39] <TimeDoctor> please ask your question, hjgoihgalk
[03:45] <superwi> hi all may request assistance re apt-get > hash sum mismatch bug ?
[03:51] <Bashing-om> !details | superwi
[03:52] <dabbler> vfw: aha! i think i was onto something! https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=198719
[03:53] <oerheks> superwi, often that 'bug' happens when your mirror get updated
[03:53] <oerheks> try again in a minute
[04:03] <swift110> hey hjgoihgalk
[04:06] <superwi> @ Bashing-om ubottu : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/CrxM3vKcjy/  trying to update apps
[04:06] <dabbler> how can i refresh a particular file provided by a package from the cached download?
[04:06] <superwi> issue: trying to update apps https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/CrxM3vKcjy/  pls assist me :)
[04:07] <dabbler> in my case it's a modification of a file under /usr/share/ that i want to revert
[04:09] <Bashing-om> superwi: looking .
[04:12] <Bashing-om> superwi: Try ' sudo rm -fr /var/lib/apt/lists ; sudo mkdir -pv /var/lib/apt/lists/partial ; sudo apt update ' .
[04:13] <Bashing-om> superwi: MergeLists are a working tool of apt, part of the way it keeps track of which packages are in which repositories. It's the gears of a text-based database that apt relies upon.
[04:13] <Bashing-om> When corrupted, they can be safely deleted. Apt will recreate them during the next apt update.
[04:13] <superwi> @ Bashing-om tnx :)
[04:14] <zenzero> @ Bashing-om tnx :)
[04:53] <superwi> issue: trying to update apps https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/CrxM3vKcjy/  pls assist me :)
[04:54] <MnxCool> Пр
[04:54] <MnxCool> кто онлайн
[04:55] <MnxCool> Прр
[04:55] <superwi> any1?
[04:55] <Jordan_U> !ru | MnxCool
[04:57] <MnxCool> MSG
[04:59] <Jordan_U> superwi: Please pastebin the output of the following: wget http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.xz -O /tmp/Packages.xz && file /tmp/Packages.xz
[05:00] <superwi> @ Jordan_U issue: trying to update apps https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/CrxM3vKcjy/  pls assist me :)
[05:00] <superwi> @ Jordan_U 1 moment pls
[05:01]  * MnxCool Cool
[05:02] <superwi> @ Jordan_U https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/F47X3NmzWh/
[05:06] <Jordan_U> superwi: Try running "sudo apt update" again now. It may have just been a temporary issue with the repositories.
[05:07] <superwi> ok.
[05:08] <superwi> same scenes ie: Err:36 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/main i386 Packages
[05:08] <superwi>   Hash Sum mismatch
[05:11] <superwi> @ Jordan_U latest results :  https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/wwDsTQmfzK/
[05:13] <Jordan_U> superwi: Odd, I don't know why that's happening. Are you running 32 bit Ubuntu?
[05:13] <superwi> 64bit
[05:15] <Jordan_U> superwi: Please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list .
[05:16] <superwi> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/DYPtDDkk5J/
[05:18] <Jordan_U> superwi: Why have you removed so much from the default sources.list?
[05:20] <superwi> i followed so many steps already,days troubleshooting it on my own. :(
[05:21] <Jordan_U> superwi: Did you make a backup of what your /etc/apt/sources.list looked like before you started editing it?
[05:21] <superwi> hmm.i think.there was a step re backing it up.can u refresh where i can find it?
[05:22] <Jordan_U> superwi: Where you would find it depends on where you backed it up to. Generally you would put backups for files like this in the same directory, so "ls /etc/apt/" and see if there is a "sources.list-bak" or similarly named file.
[05:23] <superwi> alright.1 moment
[05:24] <superwi> apt.conf  apt.conf.d  preferences.d  sources.list  sources.list.d  sources.list.save  trusted.gpg  trusted.gpg~  trusted.gpg.d --> is it any1 of them?
[05:27] <Jordan_U> superwi: Please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list.save .
[05:27] <superwi> ok
[05:27] <Jordan_U> superwi: But it looks like you didn't make a backup before editing this system file. Making backups of configuration files is a habit you should get into.
[05:28] <superwi> yeah.my bad
[05:28] <superwi> source list is empty :(
[05:28] <superwi> source.list.save is empty :(
[05:31] <Jordan_U> superwi: One simple way to make such a backup would be with a command like "sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list-bak". You can also give more descriptive backup names like "sources.list-before-changing-mirrors-to-au" or do "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list-$(date --iso-8601)" to make a backup with todays date in the name.
[05:31] <superwi> noted..
[05:32] <superwi> are the source list damaged for good?
[05:32] <Jordan_U> superwi: Here is a default xenial sources.list that you can use: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/rohitrawat/60a04e6ebe4a9ec1203eac3a11d4afc1/raw/fcdfde2ab57e455ba9b37077abf85a81c504a4a9/sources.list
[05:33] <Jordan_U> superwi: (Found from https://gist.github.com/rohitrawat/60a04e6ebe4a9ec1203eac3a11d4afc1 )
[05:33] <superwi> ok.can i proceed with copy paste?
[05:34] <superwi> replace everything inside my existing source list with this 1?
[05:34] <Jordan_U> superwi: After making a backup of your existing one just in case, yes :)
[05:35] <superwi> ok ok.i can start the habit now. :D
[05:40] <superwi> done backing up.should i replace all or merge instead?
[05:40] <Jordan_U> superwi: Replace it entirely.
[05:40] <superwi> copy
[05:42] <superwi> ..doing apt-get update
[05:43] <superwi> 1 hash mismatch detected
[05:43] <Jordan_U> superwi: Please pastebin the complete output of "sudo apt update".
[05:43] <superwi> ok.stil ongoing
[05:47] <superwi> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/jzYvvqdTtt/
[05:51] <Jordan_U> superwi: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[05:53] <superwi> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/8j7CnHNnbP/
[05:54] <sa_> I’ve ubuntu box third 16.04 point release, with 4.4.0-28-generic. So am I having a GA kernel or HWE kernel?
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> sa_: update your system to latest
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> sa_: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[05:56] <oerheks> oink ... 2 ppa-s ..
[05:57] <sa_> lotuspsychje: will it upgrade the kernel version?
[05:57] <oerheks> c/21 ppa-s
[05:57] <guiverc> sa_ you have GA (general release) kernel, but you should be 16.04.4 (or 5) hence lotuspsychje's recommend to please update!
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> sa_: updating your system, also results in having newer kernels
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> sa_: consider enabling unnattended updates in your settings?
[06:01] <sa_> lotuspsychje: how to check this?
[06:01] <guiverc> sa_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ contains info on enabling HWE (hardware enablement stack) kernels - see Ubuntu 16.04 LTS - Xenial Xerus section
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> sa_: software&sources/tab updates
[06:02] <sa_> guiverc: 16.04.5 is yet to release, but it comes with v4.15, is this also GA kernel?
[06:03] <oerheks> if there is a maximum on repositories..  https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/8j7CnHNnbP/ surely beats it
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: lol
[06:03] <guiverc> sa_, the HWE kernels mean 16.04 uses the latest release kernel; it'll use 18.04's kernel.  The GA (general availab..) kernel is the 4.4 of initial release
[06:04] <guiverc> 4.4 of initial release - BUT minor version bumps as new patches are backported to it; which cause the 16.04.x x number to bump; if you're on .3 you're missing quite a few updates! & patches
[06:06] <sa___> guiverc: sorry , got disconnected due to net connectivity. Am i missed anything?
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> sa___: <guiverc> 4.4 of initial release - BUT minor version bumps as new patches are backported to it; which cause the 16.04.x x number to bump; if you're on .3 you're missing quite a few updates! & patches
[06:09] <oerheks> like spectre & meltdown
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> sa___: the moral of this: always keep your system up to date to latest
[06:12] <sa___> lotuspsychje: I want to use always the latest GA kernel, but it looks only initial release is the GA rest are HWE
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> sa___: feel free to hastebin us your kernel list
[06:13] <guiverc> sa___, the fixes once detected, are backported to the GA kernel. the GA kernel for 16.04 will always be 4.4 (only the minor numbers below that increment) as does the 16.04.x number
[06:14] <guiverc> and if you miss anything (i left the room myself); you can re-read on the irc logs everything said here...
[06:14] <Jordan_U> superwi: That's a *lot* of ppas you have there. I'm not sure it has anything to do with your current issue, but you should try to limit the number of ppas you use, and only use ppas from reputable sources. You can use ppa-purge to properly purge them (just deleting the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is *not* enough).
[06:15] <Jordan_U> superwi: But for the hash sum mismatch, try "sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[06:16] <superwi> ive already uncheck alot inside software updates > other
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> superwi: as Jordan_U just suggested, uncheck doesnt mean its gone, ppa-purge instead
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | superwi suggested by Jordan_U
[06:16] <Jordan_U> superwi: From here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/198371/apt-encounters-errors-with-bad-gpg-keys
[06:16] <superwi> i see.will do.tnx lotus
[06:17] <superwi> will do this : sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5 after the ongoin upgrade..or i think il jz ctrl-c it
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> superwi: just my opinion, but in your case i would just do a clean ubuntu install to get rid op 21 ppa's..in 30min you got a new vanilla system
[06:19] <superwi> is this applicable whenever im having hash mismatch? --> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[06:19] <superwi> @ lotuspsychje theres a lot of tweaks that i will have to repeat :(
[06:21] <superwi> i got an app : ubuntu tweak>janitor is this helpful in purging ppa-s?
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> superwi: ubuntu tweak is not being maintained well anymore, and janitor is more like a system cleaner not for ppa's
[06:21] <superwi> also app called: removed orphaned packages? it seems they are not helping ?
[06:22] <superwi> * app name: remove orphane packages
[06:24] <superwi> ppa purge is still the best way to remove orphaned ppas?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> superwi: ppapurge is handy to remove ppa's, but it also means you need to still find the right ppa url you added once to be able to remove= alot of work!
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> superwi: ppa's can scramble your system, hence why we dont support them here
[06:25] <Assid> hey
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> Assid: good morning, what can we do for you?
[06:26] <Assid> so im considering a setup with a raid 1  using 1 samsung 850 pro and 1 wd green (mlc+tlc)
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> Assid: you have a specific reason to use raid mate?
[06:26] <superwi> what is better than ppa then?
[06:27] <Assid> lotuspsychje: yeah its a server type..  and i;d like to reduce downtime in case of drive failure
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> superwi: using packages from our official repos: try from a terminal apt-cache search keyword
[06:28] <Assid> lotuspsychje: im also taking 15minute snapshots to a virtual machine incase of a complete hardware failure
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> !raid | Assid start here
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> Assid: see also the #ubuntu-server channel, they might lean you a hand to best layout for your needs, good choice on 850 pro, i also use them!
[06:29] <Assid> lotuspsychje: yeah, i was just asking if theres an issue with using different drives  altogether
[06:29] <jayden> hello
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> jayden: good morning, how can we help you today?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> Assid: i dont like raid myself, so unsure of that
[06:30] <superwi> noted @ lotuspsychje
[06:31] <Assid> lotuspsychje:  im over provisioning myself so i really doubt i would wear out the drive with the database writes..  but then ytou cant really do anything incase of a drive /controller failure .. hence 1 cheaper .. 1 more exp. drive
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> Assid: talk to the server guys, their used to this
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> Assid: check also the raid wiki, hold alot of good info
[06:32] <nav__> I logged into ubuntu pc using putty, from command line is there any way to know whether I’ve a desktop or server installation?
[06:34] <oerheks> nav maybe both ...
[06:34] <oerheks> at least server, as you entered the service
[06:35] <nav__> oerheks: which service?
[06:36] <oerheks> you don't know what is running on a machine you ssh into..
[06:36]  * oerheks facepalms
[06:48] <ducasse> nav__: if the package 'ubuntu-server' is installed you are on a server installation, but they are pretty much the same thing
[07:00] <qoei> what to do when git can't complete cloning a big repository because ram is too low?
[07:02] <Triffid_Hunter> qoei: gitfs or add swap
[07:05] <st90210> goodmorning all, i have a hp del360 gen 10 with a hp smart array p408i-a gen 10 controller. When i try to install Ubuntu 18.04 LTS server, it crashes when i choose the disk. Itust resets me in the installation gui, and lets met start over by using keyboard. How can i install ubuntu 18.04 LTS on this server, or what steps are there available to try and make it work, any advice tips are welcome
[07:07] <st90210> https://support.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-a00019076en_us
[07:07] <superwi> @ Jordan_U, before i can use this: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5  i need to have badsig output from apt-get update,however what im having is hash mismatch instead,any work around?
[07:07] <qoei> Triffid_Hunter: thanks
[07:13] <superwi> @ lotuspsychje which is better command line ppa purge or the remove gui @ other software>remove
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> superwi: you can properly purge a ppa by just remove it, you really need ppapurge
[07:15] <superwi> noted
[07:16] <Assid> great.. so i got a whole lot of resources back cause of too many passenger processes  in nginx
[07:19] <Assid> yep exactly sas i said
[07:22] <superwi> @ lotuspsychje i need to apply steps from https://askubuntu.com/questions/198371/apt-encounters-errors-with-bad-gpg-keys ..how can i have the badsig output from apt-get update instead of hash mismatch?
[07:29] <EriC^^> superwi: whats the problem you're having? initial problem?
[07:29] <superwi> hi Eric i cant complete the updates due to hash sum mismatch errors
[07:30] <EriC^^> can you pastebin the exact error its giving you?
[07:30] <ppf> how do i figure out where an installed package comes from?
[07:30] <EriC^^> ppf: apt-cache policy <package>
[07:31] <superwi> i was troubleshooting it w/ Jordan_U and lotus. ,ok,1 moment pls
[07:31] <ppf> EriC^^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DtPKm5nwYN/
[07:31] <ppf> '/var/lib/dpkg/status' ?
[07:31] <EriC^^> apt-cache policy
[07:32] <ppf> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2rRY8cMBKN/
[07:32] <superwi> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dWSNvBWSRm/
[07:32] <EriC^^> which ubuntu version ppf ?
[07:33] <ppf> xenial
[07:33] <EriC^^> !info gcc-6-base xenial
[07:33] <ppf> 6.0.1-0ubuntu1
[07:33] <EriC^^> ppf: i'd say it was added by a .deb
[07:34] <ppf> hm, dammit
[07:34] <superwi> EriC^^ was trying to apply the steps here : https://askubuntu.com/questions/198371/apt-encounters-errors-with-bad-gpg-keys but im not getting the badsig output from apt-get update . im getting hash sum mismatch instead..
[07:35] <ppf> who would do such a thing
[07:35] <system16> hi. i have installed xubuntu on a usb drive. it boots fine but its super slowww it takes like 10 min for it just to load desktop icons. is this because of the usb drive ? it uses usb 2.0
[07:35] <ppf> EriC^^: there's no fix, right?
[07:37] <oerheks> system16,  as expected i guess, the live version from the iso would boot faster, as it loads a whole block into ram
[07:37] <system16> its not live cd
[07:37] <system16> i actually installed ubuntu on it
[07:41] <system16> so is this because of my usb drive or there is a problem with something else ?
[07:41] <EriC^^> superwi: try sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[07:41] <EriC^^> then sudo apt update
[07:42] <superwi> already tried that.but ill do it again
[07:42] <EriC^^> superwi: try switching to a new repository
[07:43] <EriC^^> instead of the US one try the main one just for now
[07:43] <system16> ?
[07:43] <superwi> tried that as well on 4 different servers
[07:43] <EriC^^> aha then it's your isp caching it probably
[07:43] <superwi> tried 4 servers ie: nearest/main/US/fastest
[07:43] <EriC^^> after some time it'll work
[07:44] <EriC^^> or try a different internet method
[07:44] <EriC^^> like over your tethered mobile
[07:44] <superwi> that i have tried
[07:44] <superwi> *that i have NOT tried
[07:50] <Xtreme> Hello, Anyone here who uses apparmour and has change location of mysql data directory?
[07:50] <Mr_Pan> hallo How to become a ubuntu Affiliate?
[07:50] <EriC^> superwi: if you do "wget -O /tmp/apttest http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/c8bc8c1425fef0712430d3991cf15ea96892aa5e13130b36c126fa90887ca756 && sha256sum /tmp/apttest | nc termbin.com 9999" what does it give you?
[07:51] <TimeDoctor> Mr_Pan: this is a channel for support, not business
[07:51] <Mr_Pan> TimeDoctor, no business ... i ask for Affiliate Status  ...  ok where i must ask  ?
[07:52] <qoei> this swap thing works great
[07:52] <TimeDoctor> Mr_Pan: I guess this is what you're looking for: https://partners.ubuntu.com
[07:54] <andrewbwm> howdy! I'm having some issues with my nvidia drivers on my ubuntu 18.04, is this the correct channel to ask around for help?
[07:54] <Mr_Pan> TimeDoctor, thanks
[07:56] <EriC^> superwi2: if you do "wget -O /tmp/apttest http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/c8bc8c1425fef0712430d3991cf15ea96892aa5e13130b36c126fa90887ca756 && sha256sum /tmp/apttest | nc termbin.com 9999" what does it give you?
[07:57] <baako> hi guys, i have some commands I need to run, and to save 20 secs. I have put those them in a script. is it possible to create a command which when i call in terminal it runs those script?
[07:57] <baako> runs the script*
[07:57] <superwi2> lemee try
[07:57] <EriC^> baako: you could create a function
[07:58] <EriC^> baako: nevermind, where is the script saved?
[07:58] <Xtreme> Hello Everyone, I have shifted my mysql data directory from /var/lib/mysql to /home/me/mysql. Everything is working smooth. no issues. no errors. I configured apparmour as well. Only problem is, I cannot upgrade mysql. It gets "hung" at "Setting up mysql-server-5.7 (5.7.22-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>)". I do get following warning "insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `mysql' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6).".
[07:58] <Xtreme> But with quick google i found out it got nothing to do with the problem i am facing. Previously, how I used to solve this issue is moving the data directory back to /var/lib/mysql and then moving it back after upgrade. But I want to stop doing that. I am currently trying to upgrade with apt-get upgrad and since its stuck, i need to do "dpkg --configure -a".
[07:58] <Xtreme> history of apt log
[07:58] <Xtreme> https://paste.debian.net/1028848/
[07:58] <oerheks> crossposting in #debian ...
[07:59] <oerheks> respect our volunteers, wait or their answer
[07:59] <Xtreme> oerheks, check properly. I pasted there 30 mins ago and they are not able to help.
[08:00] <oerheks> you just pasted the log
[08:00] <baako> EriC^: https://ccm.net/faq/2540-linux-create-your-own-command
[08:01] <oerheks> and mint-mirrors:amd64 (1.1.6, 1.1.7) ... you are not even running ubuntu
[08:01] <ppf> !mint
[08:02] <superwi2> EriC^^ https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/sk4XC956cc/
[08:03] <EriC^> baako: just typing the script in the terminal should run it
[08:04] <EriC^> baako: btw a better place would be sudo mv /usr/bin/yourscript /usr/local/bin
[08:05] <baako> EriC^: but it in those 2 places?
[08:05] <ppf> no put it in /use/local/bin
[08:05] <ppf> usr. on mobile...
[08:06] <baako> okay :)
[08:06] <baako> EriC^: my script is very simple like this
[08:06] <baako> https://paste.ee/p/FARx3#bWiaVdCQe2FDVuBAgdcmqPFdQzHPdqFL
[08:07] <EriC^> superwi2: it's downloading the file wrongly
[08:08] <baako> u r missing part of the url
[08:09] <EriC^> superwi2: try "curl -o /tmp/apttestcurl curl -H 'Cache-Control: no-cache' ttp://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/c8bc8c1425fef0712430d3991cf15ea96892aa5e13130b36c126fa90887ca756 && sha256sum /tmp/apttestcurl | nc termbin.com 9999"
[08:09] <baako> EriC^: https://paste.ee/p/kPmEH
[08:09] <EriC^> that should force it not to use the cache
[08:09] <EriC^> superwi2: anyways basically wait a while or switch your isp and it should work :)
[08:10] <EriC^> baako: ok, if you type the script name in your terminal it should work
[08:11] <ppf> hashbang is missing
[08:11] <baako> EriC^: it does
[08:11] <EriC^> ah good catch ppf
[08:11] <EriC^> baako: you should add as the first line "#!/bin/bash"
[08:14] <EriC^> baako: what's the problem then?
[08:17] <superwi2> regarding the last 2 commands,what do they do?
[08:17] <EriC^> superwi: which exactly? the sha256 | nc ?
[08:18] <superwi2> the one that shows a moving indicators
[08:18] <EriC^> that's the wget command, it fetches the file
[08:19] <superwi2> a needed important file/
[08:19] <superwi2> a needed important file?
[08:20] <EriC^> that's the file apt is having a problem with, the hash should be the c9.... number but it's not, the files corrupted
[08:20] <superwi2> a needed important file - for the hash sum mismatch solution or its just a tester for apt?
[08:21] <EriC^> it's just a test, i wanted to see if bypassing the cache using curl would fix it
[08:21] <tomeaton17> I just booted my system and tried to apt full-upgrade, but it keeps telling me that it can't lock /var/lib/dpkg how can I find out what is using it
[08:21] <cfhowlett> !aptlock | tomeaton17
[08:21] <superwi2> i see.. the 2nd command with curl.should i still execute it?
[08:21] <EriC^> superwi2: it's pretty obvious though, it's downloading the file and it's corrupted, if you tried various repos then it's likely your isp has that file cached, so it keeps serving you the corrupted version from there
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> EriC^: he has 21 ppa's added, system bit scrambled
[08:22] <tomeaton17> thanks
[08:22] <oerheks> tomeaton17, after booting, apt is looking for updates, wait a minute
[08:23] <Shabbysheik> tomeaton17: If you want to find out what is locking it in future you can do:  ps aux | grep apt
[08:23] <EriC^> superwi2: if you like, it'll just confirm the obvious, or possibly still not work cause we couldnt bypass the cache
[08:23] <tomeaton17> okay thank you I will do that next time
[08:23] <ppf> shabbysheik not if the frontend crashed
[08:23] <superwi2> will vpn help ?
[08:24] <EriC^> superwi2: technically speaking, if you didnt have another internet connection and you desperately needed it fixed, you could manually download those files using curl, copy them to ...apt/lists and fix the pc that way
[08:25] <superwi2> i may have to take the curl option.
[08:25] <EriC^> superwi2: i think so yeah, if the connection is encrypted (ive no idea about vpn stuff) your isp couldnt know what you're downloading so it serves the cached version anymore
[08:26] <superwi2> i see
[08:27] <superwi2> can you point a guide re the curl method with regards to my issue.il take it from there.
[08:27] <EriC^> superwi2: try the last command i gave you
[08:27] <superwi2> ok.
[08:28] <superwi2> @ lotus & all whats your take on Y PPA MAnager?
[08:29] <peter_> hi folks
[08:29] <peter_> can anybody recommend a good midi-usb-keyboard that is compatible with ubuntu?
[08:29] <cfhowlett> #opensourcemusicans would be a better place to ask, peter_
[08:30] <peter_> ah thank you cfhowlett
[08:30] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[08:31] <bsaboia> where can I report bugs? I think I found one related to display orientation. if I hit the super key + p, then it goes to mirror mode. I have a screen on portrait mode. after the first super + p, when I return back to "join screens" mode, the screen is put to landscape mode again
[08:31] <cfhowlett> !bug | bsaboia
[08:32] <superwi2> is there a ticketing system here,so we can continue where we left off?
[08:32] <EriC^> no
[08:32] <cfhowlett> this channel is logged but don't expect folk to go scrolling back for you, superwi2
[08:33] <superwi2> ayt.tnx eric.lotus.howlet.jordan. and all.. gtg
[09:11] <haasn> With `dpkg-divert`, is there a way to just completely remove a file rather than temporarily renaming it?
[09:12] <haasn> I know I can move it to /some/place/that/doesn't/matter/
[09:12] <haasn> but I'm wondering if there's a "clean" solution
[09:17] <gigirock> haasn, i don't konw what you want to do with that .deb , if you want to erase completely dpkg purge <package> erase completely the .deb and its configuration
[09:19] <gigirock> Mr_Pan, ma 6 tutti i canali ?
[09:20] <haasn> gigirock: I want to remove some files from a package, not all
[09:20] <Mr_Pan> sono uno e trino
[09:20] <Slartibart> My dnsmasq is complaining: 'symbol nettle_lookup_hash version NETTLE_6 not defined in file libnettle.so.6 with link time reference'. How to solve that? Recompile libnettle6?
[09:54] <EriC^^> !ping
[10:00] <Thedarkb> Should I dist-upgrade?
[10:00] <Thedarkb> I've been having stability problems on 17.10
[10:00] <baako> hey guys, in a few days i am getting a new pc and i will absoluely hate to set up ubuntu again and get everything installed, etc. is they a better way to avoid this?
[10:00] <Thedarkb> Keep your old PC?
[10:00] <tarzeau> did seahorse change configuration file format between 16.04 and 18.04?
[10:01] <baako> Thedarkb: unfornately i will get change
[10:01] <tarzeau> gnome keyring manager suddenly doesn't work anymore without deleten/re-creating a new keyring
[10:01] <baako> they have already ordered it
[10:01] <Thedarkb> What did they order?
[10:01] <Thedarkb> off topic but I'm curious.
[10:02] <baako> Thedarkb: no idea but it should be custom build i think.
[10:02] <baako> anyways is they a way?
[10:02] <Thedarkb> Laptop or Desktop?
[10:02] <baako> desktop
[10:02] <Thedarkb> Nah, not really other than swapping the hard drives.
[10:03] <baako> i feel like crying right now
[10:03] <Thedarkb> Why?
[10:03] <Thedarkb> Ubuntu is quite quick to install as of late.
[10:03] <baako> have to set up docker, etc
[10:03] <baako> pain and more pain
[10:04] <Thedarkb> I have a big list of packages to install for whenever I reinstall Debian or Ubuntu.
[10:04] <tarzeau> Thedarkb: how big? 3000 packages? more, less?
[10:04] <Thedarkb> 120+deps
[10:05] <tarzeau> that'd be a tiny list then
[10:05] <Thedarkb> I don't need 3000 packages.......
[10:05] <tarzeau> our list is 1726, but at finished state it's 4000+ packages
[10:06] <tarzeau> Thedarkb: neither do i, but we run multiuser systems (about 100+) with about 1000+ users (ldap)
[10:06] <tarzeau> and about 100+ packages in our own repository (reprepro)\
[10:06] <Thedarkb> Oh, I run several 1 user systems
[10:06] <Thedarkb> :P
[10:07] <tarzeau> do you enable popularity-contest ?
[10:07] <Thedarkb> Usually.
[10:07] <Thedarkb> Why?
[10:07] <Thedarkb> Well, on Debian.
[10:07] <tarzeau> and check the results at popcon.ubuntu.com ?
[10:08] <Thedarkb> Not on Ubuntu
[10:08] <tarzeau> ah. me too, but the ubuntu ones MUST BE INCOMPLETE
[10:08] <Thedarkb> Who knows where that data is going.....
[10:08] <Thedarkb> Thanks canonical.
[10:08] <tarzeau> Thedarkb: is your list of 120 packages visible publicly, just being curious
[10:08] <Thedarkb> It's a written list.
[10:08] <tarzeau> Thedarkb: on paper?
[10:08] <Thedarkb> Yes
[10:09] <Thedarkb> Mostly deprecated packages I need to play OpenTTD or Quake.
[10:09] <tarzeau> so you run apt-get install `ocr on your scanned paper list` ?
[10:09] <Thedarkb> Type it out by hand.
[10:09] <tarzeau> hah. try nethack!
[10:09] <Thedarkb> Inefficient I know.
[10:09] <Thedarkb> I have, couldn't really get into it.
[10:09] <stvn> play puckman
[10:09] <Thedarkb> If I'm stuck with a Terminal, I'll play an old infocom text adventure.
[10:11] <regimeSTATUSquo> lfs
[10:19] <guillaum1> hello
[10:20] <icarus> topic
[10:20] <Pozzo> a question... I've a bash script with a line like this inside :   mv -- from to
[10:21] <Pozzo> I don't know... what does -- means here ?
[10:21] <Pozzo> i cannot find any clue in the man
[10:21] <ppf> it means 'here be positional arguments'
[10:21] <ppf> that's something most gnu tools have
[10:22] <ppf> consider if you want to move a file that's named '-v'
[10:22] <Pozzo> ok !! understood
[10:22] <Pozzo> if from is named -v... mv wont use that like an option
[10:22] <Pozzo> thanks a lot ppf !
[10:23] <ppf> yep
[10:24] <Pozzo> I've known that "trick" some years ago... but totally forgotten now :(
[10:24] <Pozzo> thanks again ppf and have a good day
[10:24] <ppf> cheers
[10:25] <ppf> so ... i have a xenial system, and someone for some reason installed gcc-6-base 6.1.1-3ubuntu11~14.04.1, looks like through a deb
[10:26] <ppf> how do i best fix that?
[10:29] <oerheks> looks like from the toolchain ppa .. ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test
[10:29] <oerheks> sudo apt-get update
[10:30] <oerheks> ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test & be happy
[10:32] <ppf> oerheks: doesn't look like that's properly installed
[10:33] <ppf> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: ubuntu-toolchain-r test
[10:33] <ppf> but there is a remnant in sources.list.d, but commented out
[10:34] <ppf> so i guess it used to be there but it got disabled on a release-upgrade
[10:34] <oerheks> enable it again, and you can remove it?
[10:35] <oerheks> i doubt that package survives release upgrade, so it has to be from that ppa
[10:35] <ppf> it was the trusty version. do i use that one or the xenial one?
[10:35] <oerheks> err that package is clearly for 14.04.1
[10:36] <ppf> yes
[10:36] <oerheks> what a mess :-D
[10:36] <ppf> i know :(
[10:36] <ppf> if i add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test the xenial version, i guess it will upgrade these packages to xenial, and then i can purge it
[10:37] <ppf> is that reasonable?
[10:37] <oerheks> ppf, just checking, yes, it will update to 6.4.x ... https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test?field.series_filter=xenial
[10:38] <oerheks> after that, you can remove the ppa, and reverse packages
[10:38] <ppf> okay, let's try that then
[10:38] <ppf> i mean, WCGW
[10:38] <oerheks> backup your precious data
[10:39] <ppf> yeah, it's attached to tivoli
[10:40] <ppf> and also doesn't contain any data that's really irreplacable
[10:40] <oerheks> usually i say: if you have no backup of your data, it is not important
[10:40] <oerheks> :-D
[10:42] <ppf> this is the other way around though
[10:42] <ppf> it's not important but i have a backup :)
[10:46] <ppf> /usr/sbin/ppa-purge: line 191: aptitude: command not found
[10:46] <ppf> wat
[10:47] <oerheks> aptitude is not standard
[10:47] <ppf> i know, but why does ppa-purge depend on but doesn't install the dependency
[10:48] <oerheks> err, no, sudo ppa-purge ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory>
[10:48] <ppf> ?
[10:49] <oerheks> sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test [enter]
[10:49] <ppf> yes, yes, obviously. and that end's with the error above
[10:49] <oerheks> :-(
[10:50] <ppf> but it fixed the apt configs before, so i can likely recover from here manually
[11:01] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:22] <ZaZaQR> hello
[11:24] <tarzeau> gnome-shell is leaking memory for me on ubuntu 18.04, about 10 GB now
[11:24] <tarzeau> uptime 52 days
[11:25] <oerheks> what if you restart your browser?
[11:26] <tarzeau> i know my browser also leaks memory, but are they related?
[11:26] <oerheks> no, gnome should be fixed, for the known memory culprit
[11:26] <oerheks> browsers are an other story
[11:27] <tarzeau> htop shows gnome-shell on top sorted with M key
[11:32] <dabbler> am I the only ubuntu user trying to use targetcli?
[11:49] <kemisten2> whats the name of a shell scripting channel? vcant seem to find any
[11:52] <jpe> #bash ?
[12:07] <baako> so ubuntu doesnt like my wireless keyboard logitech k800 and logitech performance mx mouse. So what does it like?
[12:12] <Dyrcona> I have a Dell R740xd with Ubuntu 16.04 installed, kernel 4.13.0-45, that crashes while writing to NVMe drives that are configured in a mirrored zpool.
[12:12] <Dyrcona> I have a Dell R730 that is otherwise identical that doesn't do that.
[12:13] <TimeDoctor> 16.04?
[12:13] <Dyrcona> Anyone have any suggestions?
[12:13] <Dyrcona> Yes, 16.04.. Xenial Xerus Server edition.
[12:13] <Dyrcona> By crahses, I mean it goes down hard and has to be powered back on.
[12:16] <zetheroo> Does anyone have experience with Ubuntu and the MS Wireless Display adapter?
[12:18] <Lectus> Hi! I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 on my notebook and it's running fsck on almost every boot. I can't run it there. So I run fsck manually from a Live USB stick and it fixes the problem. Now Chrome isn't opening with a segmentation fault.
[12:19] <Lectus> Is it a hardware problem or ubuntu problem?
[12:19] <Dyrcona> Oh, forget it. Vague questions are vague....
[12:23] <zetheroo> Ubuntu 18.04 seems to really be struggling with USB headsets :/
[12:23] <tarzeau> zetheroo: why?
[12:24] <tarzeau> Lectus: can you start it from a terminal?
[12:24] <zetheroo> tarzeau: about the MS wireless display adapter or the usb headset?
[12:24] <tarzeau> zetheroo: the latter
[12:25] <Lectus> tarzeau: When I start chrome or firefox from terminal they show a segmentation fault error. Other programs work ok.
[12:25] <Lectus> They started acting like after I ran fsck to fix the boot error
[12:25] <zetheroo> tarzeau: Ubuntu sees the headset, but when I select it in sound settings as either output or input it doesn't work
[12:25] <zetheroo> this worked in 16.04
[12:26] <tarzeau> Lectus: can you run badblocks -sv /dev/sda (or whatever your diks in your notebook is)?
[12:26] <tarzeau> Lectus: and confirm it's not a hw fault? (check dmesg -T output also)
[12:26] <tarzeau> zetheroo: so the problem started to be one with 18.04 and the default ubuntu environment (being gnome-shell)?
[12:27] <Lectus> tarzeau: I can check that when go home (I'm at work right now).
[12:28] <oerheks> Lectus, wipe the ~/.mozilla and ~/.config/google-chrome and see what happens ( you loose plugins but that can be redownloaded)
[12:28] <zetheroo> tarzeau: maybe. It worked before the laptop went into standby as well ... so I am looking into that ...
[12:30] <zetheroo> tarzeau: seems like after killing and restarting pulseaudio it's working again
[12:30] <Lectus> oerheks: I'll try that
[12:32] <zetheroo> so it's probably the case that suspend is stopping the headset from working after resuming
[12:32] <zetheroo> How about Ubuntu 18.04 and Miracast?
[12:37] <oerheks> chromecast/nexusplayer works fine
[12:42] <trupheenix___> Hi! I am attempting to access nginx server hosted on my ubuntu bionic machine over lan. Localhost works but the IP address from external machines says connection refused. Why?
[12:43] <zetheroo> oerheks: chromecast is no option for us - doesn't support EAP WiFi security
[12:43] <TimeDoctor> trupheenix___: port forwarding, firewall? any number of possibilities
[12:43] <trupheenix___> TimeDoctor, ok.
[12:45] <trupheenix___> TimeDoctor, I just cannot figure this out
[12:45] <trupheenix___> TimeDoctor, ufw is inactive
[12:53] <oerheks> sudo ufw allow 'Nginx Full' && sudo ufw status
[12:54] <oerheks> sudo ufw logging on && sudo ufw enable
[12:56] <mleon2> no puedo entrar a ninguna pagina
[12:56] <the_drow> I'm trying to upgrade my kernel and I get "ERROR (dkms apport): binary package for evdi: 1.0.335 not found". This started happening after I upgraded to 18.04.
[12:57] <the_drow> Seems like evdi is a displaylink driver but there is no package for it
[12:57] <the_drow> I'd rather not download and compile stuff from Github if possible
[12:58] <the_drow> The installation just hangs
[13:00] <the_drow> The terminal doesn't respond to Ctrl+C as well
[13:01] <Accord_> hey, is there a way to list all versions of a package available in snap?
[13:01] <solsTiCe> hi. I was trying to take control of distant ubuntu 16.04 using teamvewier 13 on both side, me using 18.04 and I could see the desktop but can't control anyhting ? any idea why ?
[13:05] <Ool> solsTiCe: I don't know how work teamviewer, but I do it with an SSH access and X2go
[13:05] <the_drow> Accord_, snapl list
[13:06] <the_drow> I mean snap list.
[13:07] <oerheks> or https://snapcraft.io/store
[13:09] <YankDownUnder> ...arguing with the latest/greatest - 18.04 - is there something going on with gnome-keyring that just is fried? Doesn't "remember" credentials for network shares...(can't remember if I went through this with 16.04 or 14.04)
[13:11] <Accord_> the_drow: thanks
[13:12] <stevenm> anyone got a way of running an app in the tray (notification area?)
[13:13] <stevenm> e.g. one that only minimizes... but you wish closing/minimize it would just send it to the notification area
[13:13] <stevenm> i hear something called alltray used to do this - but it doesn't seem to work any more on modern ubuntu's
[13:15] <lackofanetplan> hi there. i just installed ubuntu server 18.04 (using the alternative / classic debian installer). the system i installed on can only have wireless (WPA2 + password) connectivity at this time. configuring the wireless network during installation failed, i don't know why, it would not say (but i am certain i provided the correct essid and password).
[13:15] <lackofanetplan> now i have the system installed, and booted. and i'd like to configure the wireless using netplan
[13:16] <lackofanetplan> i did it as discussed here https://netplan.io/examples#wireless-interfaces except i did not configure addresses, network, nameservers.
[13:16] <YankDownUnder> lackofanetplan, Have you tried doing a "static" setup for the wireless instead of going through the NM to do it? Just wondering...always do that - well, for "older" installs - 16.04 and below...
[13:17] <lackofanetplan> i did netplan try and netplan apply, both seemed to work fine. now how do i bring ths interface up?
[13:17] <lackofanetplan> YankDownUnder: NM is not involved there. servers use systemd-networkd by default.
[13:18] <oerheks> you need wpa-supplicant and such..
[13:19] <lackofanetplan> package wpasupplicant is installed
[13:20] <YankDownUnder> lackofanetplan, ...then you're ahead of me...I've not mucked with testing 18.04 server - working on sussing out the workstation first before the nightmare of the server...and won't upgrade/update my clients until I'm "confident" enough to make sure things run like a champ...fighting the bloody passwords for shares right now...not happy with that bit...therefore, server testing waiting...hmmm...
[13:20] <lackofanetplan> good luck there YankDownUnder
[13:20] <BluesKaj> can't network-manager configuration file provide a static option?
[13:21] <oerheks> this netplan example might be a help https://askubuntu.com/questions/992162/how-can-i-update-wifi-on-ubuntu-17-10-server
[13:21] <lackofanetplan> BluesKaj: it's using systemd-networkd, not network manager
[13:21] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan/Design + https://netplan.io/  for more info
[13:21] <Artur_> At any moment when user of OS wants to launch an application he or she can launch it via bash. But when I double click an icon on my desktop there is no any bash involved. Is bash just a graphical tool to talk to shell and By clicking an icon on desktop my computer talks to shell directly to launch a program?
[13:22] <oerheks> i think it talks to gnome
[13:26] <YankDownUnder> lackofanetplan, Reckon I'll wait for 18.04.1 - kinda done the same for the past, er, what, three releases? Never rush...time and patience...let others break things so I don't have to... ;)
[13:26] <BluesKaj> lackofanetplan:  I assume network-manager is part of networkd
[13:27] <lackofanetplan> no, it's an alternative to systemd-networkd.
[13:27] <lackofanetplan> turns out my issue is the drivers / firmware init https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1772624
[13:27] <lackofanetplan> thanks for your help nevertheless.
[13:28] <BluesKaj> why is NM default on most installs if it's an "alternative" ?
[13:28] <pewds11> Hi , I've dual booted my win10 with ubuntu and when I select win10 in the GRUB menu ,the screen turns into a purple background with a weird pattern and then after few secs it loads windows..any idea why is that happening?
[13:29] <lackofanetplan> BluesKaj: NM is default on 18.04 desktops, systemd-networkd is default on 18.04 servers, that's all i know.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> lackofanetplan: ok, good to know
[13:30] <BluesKaj> damn servers  :-)
[13:31] <lackofanetplan> i think the release notes say so
[13:34] <Artur_> pewds11: Can you launch ubuntu in recovery mode?
[13:35] <baako> am abit confused. i ran npm install which installe gulp but when i run gulp it says sudo apt install gulp                                                       │
[13:35] <baako> why?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> lackofanetplan: well, I don't use NM or netplan anyway, just ifupdown and a dhcp line in network/interfaces along with gateway,address and netmask IPs
[13:36] <lackofanetplan> you will ;)
[13:37] <XenophonF> How do I troubleshoot the Ubuntu installer?
[13:37] <BluesKaj> lackofanetplan: well, I'm testing Cosmic 18.10 atm and no NM requirement so far
[13:38] <XenophonF> I'm trying to install 18.04 on a Dell Inspiron 1501, but it looks like X or Wayland or whatever it is, is crashing.
[13:38] <YankDownUnder> lackofanetplan, "simple" is always good...harder to break "simple" things...or corrupt "simple" things...
 I'm able to launch ubuntu normally.. umm for recovery mode do I need to select the recovery option in GRUB menu?
[13:38] <XenophonF> I get a mouse pointer, the DVD churns for a bit, the pointer goes away, then I get a mouse pointer again, &c.
[13:39] <XenophonF> I tried booting without "quiet splash" in the kernel command line, but I don't see any error messages on the text-mode console.
[13:39] <XenophonF> I successfully ran a media check.
[13:40] <yacc> Any way to list the installed memory (to see if it's 2x4GB or 1x8GB) from a running Ubuntu system?
[13:40] <anddam> howdy, where's the systemd-started Xorg log file? I couldn't find it at the usual /var/log/Xorg.*.log
[13:40] <lackofanetplan> XenophonF: discuss ubuntu version, hardware, especially graphics card
[13:40] <SporkWitch> yacc: the operating system neither knows nor cares
[13:40] <XenophonF> Trying to eliminate a hardware issue, I successfully installed FreeBSD, TrueOS, and Windows 7.
[13:40] <lackofanetplan> anddam: ubuntu version?
[13:40] <anddam> namely I have a dual screen setup, DP-1 is in portrait and I get the login greeter rotated
[13:40] <anddam> lackofanetplan: oh sorry, 18.0something
[13:40] <anddam> the latest stable
[13:41] <yacc> SporkWitch, but I DO care ;) And e.g. memtest86 is able to display that information, ...
[13:41] <XenophonF> 18.04 as mentioned, Dell Inspiron 1501 w/ AMD Athlon 64 X2, 2 GiB RAM, and some kind of Radeon graphics chipset (will have to look up specs).
[13:41] <lackofanetplan> anddam 18.04, where 18 is 2018 and 04 is april
[13:41] <anddam> I actually added a xorg config section to handle it but the gdm started X doesn't seem to read it
[13:41] <pauljw> yacc, sudo lshw
[13:41] <SporkWitch> yacc: so run memtest? O.o
[13:41] <anddam> I use the same config on an LTS-based system
[13:41] <XenophonF> looks like it's a ATI Radeon Xpress 1150
[13:42] <lackofanetplan> anddam: log files go into your home directory, in .local/share/X or .config/X IIRC
[13:42] <anddam> lackofanetplan:  how does that apply to system's gdm instance?
[13:42] <lackofanetplan> anddam: 18.04 IS LTS
[13:43] <yacc> pauljw, thanks.
[13:43] <anddam> it is now, but IIRC previous LTS won't get auto-updated up till 18.04.1
[13:43] <anddam> so I have a 16.04 based system where https://gist.github.com/adab4d/a1ffe64409d8ae0cd83444560d3f1a28 works
[13:43] <lackofanetplan> anddam: right
[13:43] <XenophonF> is there a way to boot the installer to a text-only console?
[13:43] <anddam> lackofanetplan: how would Xorg log be redirected in the home directory if there's no home yet?
[13:43] <yacc> That leaves the question if to go for 24 or 32GB, sigh ;)
[13:43] <anddam> or better the home would be the one of the uid running gdm
[13:43] <XenophonF> I tried adding "single" to the kernel command line, but it still started GDM
[13:44] <lackofanetplan> anddam: not at all, i guess. why is there no home, yet?
[13:44] <anddam> lackofanetplan: because at the starting greeter, no user is logged
[13:44] <yacc> lackofanetplan, e.g. encrypted home?
[13:45] <XenophonF> ah - I specified "single" in the wrong place on the kernel command line, has to come before the "---"
[13:45] <anddam> lackofanetplan: take a system with 2 users for example, whose home gets the log? I figure it'd go in a system path rather than a user home
[13:46] <lackofanetplan> actually gdm logs to /var/log i think, just X logs to the users' home there.  and by the time X starts you already logged in
[13:48] <pewds11> Artur_: I'm able to launch ubuntu normally.. umm for recovery mode do I need to select the recovery option in GRUB menu?
[13:48] <yacc> ls -l /proc/XSERVER/fd to see where it logs?
[13:48] <yacc> XSERVER being the pid of X
[13:49] <XenophonF> X run from single user mode seems to work
[13:49] <XenophonF> not sure how to troubleshoot further and am open to suggestions
[13:51] <linux_user> Hello all! - I am writing an ansible script to make sure all the gpg keys I need are installed on an Ubuntu desktop installation. What keys (for Ubuntu itself) should I be checking for and how do I get a list of key ids to use to get them from keyserver.ubuntu.com???
[13:52] <linux_user> I am not asking that question about Ansible, just in general - I know how to ansiblize the answer of adding gpg keys once I know all the IDs I ought be checking for
[13:52] <yacc> Any idea how to handle monitors that don't wake up? Currently I've simply disabled "turn off monitors" energy option, but it's irritating. (Thinkpad L470, Intel only, via docking station)
[13:52] <lackofanetplan> XenophonF: try the usual workarounds: text, nomodeset, noacpi, acpi=off, vga=791
[13:53] <linux_user> basically if I run apt-key list, what Ubuntu keys should I see??
[13:53] <linux_user> for source and binary stuff
[13:54] <yacc> The funny thing is that the Laptop thinks that the displays are on, so the mouse pointer can disappear into a black screen, ...
[13:56] <XenophonF> thanks
[13:58] <anddam> lackofanetplan: what's the greeter itself running on then, if not X?
[13:59] <anddam> lackofanetplan: from what I get you're already logged when the session starts, not when X starts. I actually got a log in my home folder, but only once I logged at tty and manually ran startx
[14:00] <lackofanetplan> a separate X session
[14:00] <anddam> lackofanetplan: and that makes sense since I'm explictly starting the X server from my user
[14:00] <anddam> lackofanetplan: ok, my question is where this separate X session is logging, then. Because its config is not reading /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[14:00] <anddam> and I'd like to figure why
[14:01] <lackofanetplan> my assumption / limited understanind is that initially the desktop manager, be it gdm or lightdm or kdm or whatever starts with X logging to syslog, then when you logged in there X will restart, now logging to your logged in users' /home
[14:02] <anddam> lackofanetplan: I got that, and it makes sense, Xorg moving to userland and all
[14:04] <Guest13981> hey
[14:04] <Guest13981> hey guys
[14:05] <lackofanetplan> !ask | guest
[14:05] <SporkWitch> Guest13981: If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later.
[14:06] <SporkWitch> jinx, owe me a whisky
[14:06] <Guest13981> hey
[14:07] <CommandPrompt> hey Guest13981
[14:07] <CommandPrompt> o/
[14:07] <zetheroo> it seems like with Ubuntu Touch the functionality of wireless display's was built-in to Ubuntu ... where did that functionality go?
[14:08] <linux_user> is there a place I can get a list of the gpg keys for Ubuntu BIONIC that are for all the Ubuntu repos (source and binary) for the OS?
[14:08] <SporkWitch> linux_user: they're bundled with the install
[14:11] <zetheroo> aethercast - that was awesome. but what happened with it?
[14:13] <BOB_> hey
[14:13] <BOB_> Im the new one
[14:13] <BOB_> ?)
[14:13] <compdoc> not as new as me
[14:14] <gabriel29121993> hi friend haw i cant open cmd windows comand on debian?
[14:15] <gabriel29121993> comand promt
[14:17] <SporkWitch> gabriel29121993: it's called "terminal"
[14:18] <gabriel29121993> someone cant help me?
[14:19] <SporkWitch> ...
[14:20] <rpittau> troll alert? :D
[14:22] <tya99> ha anyone noticed an issue where whiptail doesn't show the dialog box to disable secureboot
[14:23] <tya99> as in i am updating linux-headers and apt appears to hang
[14:23] <tya99> but it isn't it's waiting on key enrolment
[14:24] <SporkWitch> it shouldn't need it, i don't think; it should be covered by the shim
[14:24] <tya99> because in my processes i see things like: /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /usr/sbin/update-secureboot-policy --enroll-key and /bin/sh /usr/sbin/update-secureboot-policy --enroll-key and whiptail --backtitle Package configuration --title Configuring Secure Boot --output-fd 12 --inputbox --   Enter the same password again to verify
[14:25] <XenophonF> lackofanetplan: I'm trying to boot the installer.  Does the "text" flag do anything?
[14:25] <XenophonF> I'm booting with "nomodeset vga=normal" now.
[14:25] <ceibal> hola
[14:26] <tya99> if i type something like: whiptail --title "Testing 123" --msgbox "HELLO THIS IS A TEST" 8 45 in the console
[14:26] <tya99> then i do see it working which is weird
[14:26] <ceibal> putos
[14:26] <XenophonF> If I boot normally, I see the Ubuntu logo with the dots underneath, hear the "drumroll" sound, and then it hangs but remains responsive.
[14:26] <SporkWitch> tya99: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot possibly helpful
[14:27] <XenophonF> hm, looks like "nomodeset vga=normal" did the trick, because I just got into the desktop
[14:27] <tya99> SporkWitch: yeah i created my own keys and enrolled the MOK i use that for signing virtualbox kernel modules
[14:28] <tya99> SporkWitch: actually the same thing happened when i installed virtualbox with secureboot enabled
[14:28] <tya99> SporkWitch: https://stegard.net/2016/10/virtualbox-secure-boot-ubuntu-fail/ and that is how i fixed it
[14:29] <Gorra> Does anyone know a good website where I can learn advanced configuration (e.g Networking) of KVM?
[14:30] <SporkWitch> not sure i see the point in doing it on client VMs; i don't have much experience working with secureboot, as this is the first machine i've had that supports it and regressions in WINE support forced me back to windows :'(
[14:30] <SporkWitch> Gorra: https://lmgtfy.com/?s=d&q=qemu-kvm
[14:30] <tya99> SporkWitch: yeah i don't use secureboot on my clients, only my host which is a laptop
[14:31] <tya99> SporkWitch: but all kernel modules have to be signed so that's why you enrol your own key and sign
[14:32] <SporkWitch> tya99: that's what i mean, though, the ones in the official repo should already be signed and covered by the shim; for the two weeks i had linux installed on this thing i had at least 1 or 2 kernel updates and it didn't ask me to set a new MOK
[14:32] <GunqqerFriithian> if im using ubuntu 16.04 and want to update to 18.04 and have KDE what's the best way of doing that with out messing everything up
[14:32] <Gorra> SporkWitch: Thanks!
[14:33] <tya99> GunqqerFriithian: do a backup first and then try it
[14:33] <SporkWitch> GunqqerFriithian: i'd just do a clean install of kubuntu; if you keep home on a separate partition, doing things like this is trivial
[14:33] <tya99> something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR#SSH
[14:33] <tya99> first.
[14:33] <tya99> well that too
[14:34] <tya99> probably quicker to just back everything up in your ~/ and then reinstall
[14:34] <SporkWitch> ^
[14:34] <tya99> do a dpkg -l first so you know what you installed
[14:34] <SporkWitch> specifically kubuntu, if you're using KDE; save yourself the trouble
[14:34] <GunqqerFriithian> I am not using kubuntu specifically, I just have ubuntu with KDE install on top of it
[14:35] <tya99> which is basically the same thing
[14:35] <tya99> because it is just ubuntu with the KDE metapackage basically
[14:35] <SporkWitch> GunqqerFriithian: i'm recommending that you just install kubuntu; it's community-maintained now, but it's still ubuntu, just with the gnome stuff swapped for KDE equivalents
[14:35] <SporkWitch> GunqqerFriithian: saves time and effort if your'e going to be using KDE anyway
[14:35] <GunqqerFriithian> so back up /home (already done), list packages so I can reinstall them, and install kubuntu?
[14:36] <SporkWitch> pretty much
[14:36] <SporkWitch> and if you're feeling froggy, set up a separate partition for /home to make things easier in the future
[14:36] <GunqqerFriithian> I use LVM and LUKScrypt dunno if that's possible
[14:36] <christoph-samuel> drone
[14:37] <GunqqerFriithian> even though installing kubuntu will be nice as it means I don't have to go to the trouble of expanding an LVM partition inside LUKS
[14:37] <SporkWitch> GunqqerFriithian: that would make things more complicated, yes, though you might look into the new plasma "vault" system https://www.fossmint.com/plasma-vault-create-encrypted-directories-on-kde-desktop/
[14:39] <GunqqerFriithian> Im paranoid, but not *that* paranoid :P
[14:41] <SporkWitch> single encrypted folders for sensitive stuff is _more_ paranoid than FDE? O.o lol
[14:41] <GunqqerFriithian> both at the same time
[14:42] <SporkWitch> i was suggesting it in place of
[14:42] <GunqqerFriithian> ah hell nah
[14:42] <SporkWitch> even on current hardware, there is still a non-trivial performance impact with encrypted drives/directories
[14:42] <GunqqerFriithian> I'm fine with that
[14:42] <SporkWitch> and, realistically, most people don't need FDE
[14:42] <GunqqerFriithian> remember me mentioning paranoia :P
[14:43] <SporkWitch> that's what the vaults are for lol; lets you keep what you need safe, without the performance impact or the extra headaches when trying to recover or reinstall
[14:44] <GunqqerFriithian> non-zero chance of something leeking out
[14:44] <GunqqerFriithian> remember, paranoia :P
[14:44] <SporkWitch> i use LUKS for swap and a flash drive that stores stuff like certifying keys (the flash drive sits in a safe)
[14:44] <SporkWitch> hence encrypted swap
[14:45] <GunqqerFriithian> no wait you're one of the people trying to get my data! AHHHHH!!
[14:46] <SporkWitch> naw, just someone with over 10 years experience and a rational threat model for the average workstation user lol
[14:46] <GunqqerFriithian> do you happen to have numbers for how much I'm impacted?
[14:46] <SporkWitch> see also my "no one gives a shit about you" theory of home security; the types of stuff you as a home user need to worry about aren't generally addressed with FDE
[14:48] <GunqqerFriithian> I don't like just going "no one gives a shit about you" as there is a non-zero chance someone does, even if it's just a friend trying to fuck with me
[14:49] <SporkWitch> GunqqerFriithian: do the friends trying to mess with you have the skill and motivation to get past a BIOS password? lol
[14:53] <GunqqerFriithian> pretty sure my laptop's bios doesn't support pre-boot auth
[14:53] <GunqqerFriithian> I have a password to change bios settings
[14:53] <SporkWitch> should... i've never seen a laptop that didn't...
[14:53] <SporkWitch> it may be called "user password"
[14:54] <GunqqerFriithian> odd haven't seen anything
[14:54] <GunqqerFriithian> brb imma check
[14:54] <GunqqerFriithian> give me 2 min ill be back (ty ssd)
[14:58] <cbreak> there seems to be a bug in the ubuntu 18.04 server installer.
[14:58] <SimonNL> would be surprised if it doesn't
[14:58] <SimonNL> not for you cbreak
[14:58] <cbreak> selecting a disk as target for installation fails with a python exception
[14:59] <i_heart_penguins> is there any PPAs of wine staging anymore?
[14:59] <cbreak> "AttributeError 'int' object has no attribute 'rows'
[14:59] <cbreak> for return self._original_widget.rows(...)
[15:00] <cbreak> bug seems to be in /snap/subiquity/346/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urwid/decoration.py
[15:02] <cbreak> I guess that's not a well known problem
[15:02] <cbreak> weird, it's very reproducible here. happens every attempt :/
[15:04] <linux_user> SporkWitch: right...but lets say some idiot sys admin removes them, and I want to make sure they are reapplied each time the ansible script is run, what keys (with IDs) and servers can I get them from?
[15:04] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1767295 cbreak
[15:04] <stevenm> i hear something called alltray used to do this - but it doesn't seem to work any more on modern ubuntu's
[15:05] <stevenm> ...
[15:05] <stevenm> anyone got a way of running an app in the tray (notification area?)
[15:05] <stevenm> e.g. one that only minimizes... but you wish closing/minimize it would just send it to the notification area
[15:05] <cbreak> ioria: that error looks the same
[15:05] <ioria> yup
[15:06] <ioria> cbreak, check #6 out
[15:06] <cbreak> I'll try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/release/ next
[15:06] <cbreak> a non-live installer
[15:07] <ioria> cbreak, maybe yes
[15:07] <cbreak> ioria: thanks for the tip :)
[15:08] <cbreak> wonder if just forwarding a disk image would help too...
[15:08] <ioria> cbreak, no idea, sy  good luck
[15:08] <aleooo> Hello, I can't use the grafical interface of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[15:08] <nicholasBPM> I would like cron to run some kind of backup of my server, i would like the backup to go to a different server, not a local drive, what can you recommend?
[15:09] <cbreak> zfs send, rsync :)
[15:09] <whooligan> nicholasBPM: rsync
[15:09] <nicholasBPM> cbreak, thank you i will google it
[15:09] <nicholasBPM> whooligan, thanks
[15:11] <MasterSnipes> Hey guys, I've been having a problem with my microphone (fresh install) and it has some static noise when I record or speak. Any ideas on how to fix it?
[15:11] <cbreak> I like Røde NT USB
[15:11] <cbreak> might not be what you want though
[15:16] <lackofanetplan> XenophonF: my understanding is that the "text" kernel parameter will cause ubuntu not to switch the tty to graphical mode before it spawns the login daemon. but i'm not entirely sure about it, better read up on it.
[15:16] <lackofanetplan> (and sorry, i missed your reply earlier. also got to go now.)
[15:21] <aleooo> Hello, I can't use the grafical interface of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS anyone can help me, please?
[15:23] <compdoc> aleooo, it boots to a terminal screen?
[15:23] <aleooo> compdoc, yes
[15:24] <compdoc> what happens if you login and type:  startx
[15:24] <aleooo> comdoc: doesn't work , give me an error
[15:25] <compdoc> did you install Ubuntu Server? or the Desktop version?
[15:25] <oerheks> ctrl alt f7, for the gui ?
[15:25] <yacc> Any idea how to handle monitors that don't wake up? Currently I've simply disabled "turn off monitors" energy option, but it's irritating. (Thinkpad L470, Intel only, via docking station VGA + DVI)
[15:26] <aleooo> Compdoc: Desktop version, I think...
[15:26] <yacc> oerheks, in 18.04 the GUI seems to be C-A-F1
[15:27] <compdoc> should just boot to the desktop
[15:28] <Shabbysheik> aleooo: you tried running "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" to make sure you did actually install the dekstop?
[15:28] <chrisadams> Hi, a wine install seriously broke myu system, I'm stuck in vterms and trying to reinstall the desktop environment via apt keeps giving "Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages"
[15:29] <chrisadams> I tried `apt-get -f install` and `dpkg --configure -a` but it's not finding any broken packages
[15:29] <aleooo> compdoc: I think is a problem of graphic video drivers or something of the sort
[15:29] <chrisadams> but I continue to be unable to install packages
[15:32] <compdoc> aleooo, might be. they can cause weird issues. did you install a driver thats not from ubuntu?
[15:33] <babo> i can't register any new nicks on freenode and i can't remember my old nick  and pass help
[15:33] <babo> ive dine a google search with no luck
[15:33] <aleooo> compdoc: no, suddenly doesn't worked the GUI. I tried to upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04 but the problem is the same: only terminal.
[15:33] <hggdh> babo: nothing we can do about it here, please go to #freenode for help on nicks
[15:33] <oerheks> !register | babo  ask in freenode
[15:34] <oerheks> a new nick is not expensive :-P
[15:35] <compdoc> aleooo, well, you might be able to fix it, but I dont know enough about that to help. Keep asking in here, or try the mailing list
[15:37] <pankaj_> Can I install a new package manager in ubuntu? It is possible?
[15:37] <leftyfb> pankaj_: why?
[15:38] <aleooo> Shabbysheik: sorry if Ihave not replied quickly. I read only now you message. My IRC interface is very poor :-)
[15:38] <pankaj_> leftyfb: Just for fun? I want to see if it works.
[15:39] <leftyfb> pankaj_: you mean like installing rpm or pacman or something?
[15:39] <oerheks> there is only 1 new package managment: snaps
[15:39] <leftyfb> heh
[15:39] <compdoc> isnt aptitude slightly different than apt?
[15:40] <atee76>  ,,,,QNN'M
[15:40] <nicomachus> compdoc: not
[15:40] <atee76> '
[15:40] <atee76> m;3
[15:40] <atee76> qe
[15:40] <atee76> m
[15:40] <atee76> Q[\2
[15:40] <nicomachus> compdoc: no
[15:40] <leftyfb> atee76: this is a support channel. Do you need help with something?
[15:40] <oerheks> those differences apt <> aptitude are gone, for years
[15:40] <compdoc> the one Im thinking of has a gui
[15:41] <coconut> babo: if you haven't used your nick long enough, you might be able to register this again. (long is probably 2+ years not identified with nickserv)
[15:43] <pankaj_> leftyfb: Yes, pacman is what will be a good start
[15:43] <compdoc> if you cant remember your nick, might as well pick a new one
[15:43] <Beast> hi all
[15:43] <leftyfb> pankaj_: you're on your own there. That's not something we can support. There's really no need for it.
[15:44] <pankaj_> leftyfb: OK. If that is the case.
[15:46] <Beast> I'm trying to upgrade to the latest stable and am getting a failed upgrade due to a /tmp is mounted noexec. I've run sudo mount -o remount,exec /tmp but am wondering why have I had to do this in the first place for the latest upgrades since it wasn't always so?
[15:50] <Beast> I've found a howto that seems to suggest making the change permanant by changing the /tmp permisions in /etc/fstab by changing noexec to exec in the /tmp line. Is this permanent change ok from a security point of view?
[16:03] <linux_user> SporkWitch: right...but lets say some idiot sys admin removes them, and I want to make sure they are reapplied each time the ansible script is run, what keys (with IDs) and servers can I get them from?
[16:03] <SporkWitch> fire the admin for incompetence?
[16:03] <linux_user> ok, so the real answer is you don't know how to do what I need, got it. thanks for your help.
[16:05] <linux_user> however, once the "admin is fired", I still need to fix it right? Or are you suggesting I reinstall the entire server? - I doubt you would expect that...so can we now try to get back to waht the answer might really be?
[16:05] <linux_user> I would appreciate to limit the silliness and try to see if I can get a workable and functional solution.
[16:05] <oerheks> don't give the admin rights to do so.. else you end up reinstalling
[16:06] <linux_user> so if the keys for the Ubuntu installation are ever deleted, the only way to get them back is to reinstall the server then, yes? is that what everyone is saying?
[16:06] <linux_user> the GPG keys
[16:06] <linux_user> they ever get deleted then the entire server needs to be reinstalled to get them back, right?
[16:07] <nacc> linux_user: gpg private keys?
[16:07] <oerheks> or reinstall the gpg-keys package https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ubuntu-keyring
[16:07] <linux_user> yes, I asked if the GPG keys for the ubuntu repositories that come with the OS when it is installed (source and binary repos) get deleted how do I restore them? seems the answer is a full reinstall
[16:07] <nacc> if you mean the keyring files, then just what oerheks said
[16:08] <nacc> linux_user: that would be ridiculous.
[16:08] <linux_user> I agree, but that is what everyone is saying
[16:08] <nacc> linux_user: they are a read-only data source, you don't reinstall to restore read-only data.
[16:08] <SporkWitch> linux_user: admittedly  i do not, but it's an issue that simply shouldn't crop up; it requires truly epic levels of incompetence to happen unintentionally.  You're better off preventing it happening than bothering with reacting to it.
[16:09] <oerheks> what if the admin deletes a kernel...
[16:09] <oerheks> or himself :-D
[16:09] <SporkWitch> linux_user: no one said to do a full reinstall, we're saying that it's better to prevent it in the first place
[16:09] <compdoc> then they are a bad admin
[16:09] <nacc> linux_user: who is saying that? only you have so far, since i've been paying attention.
[16:09] <nacc> compdoc: SporkWitch: fully agree, but let's fix the issue at hand first and discuss that in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[16:09] <SporkWitch> linux_user: you could look in the error messages to see what keys are missing and then add-apt-key to restore
[16:10] <SporkWitch> nacc: that's the point: there isn't an issue at hand.  he's not trying to recover from it having already happened, he's trying to address a what-if scenario; the better solution is prevention, which is what he (and we) should be focusing on
[16:11] <nacc> linux_user: so your system *does* have the gpg keys available?
[16:12] <nacc> SporkWitch: not in this channel, then.
[16:12] <LEcel> @-@
[16:15] <SporkWitch> nacc: how is how to prevent that from happening not topical? O.o i get your obsession with having not even the tiniest of tangents, but this is directly in line with the topic...
[16:15] <linux_user> SporkWitch: I am asking how to resolve a problem I HAVE NOW, so your comments are useless. but thanks
[16:16] <SporkWitch> linux_user: then i've already given you the answer: see which key is missing, use apt-key to add it back
[16:16] <SporkWitch> linux_user: the missing keyid will be in the logs
[16:16] <linux_user> ok
[16:16] <nacc> SporkWitch: 1) it seems you maybe misinterpreted linux_user's situation; 2) the topic is Ubuntu support, not "become a better sysadmin" or "learn to manage sysadmins".
[16:16] <oerheks> oh, it is an actual issue, not a hypothetical one
[16:16] <linux_user> nacc: you can't talk sense into people like that, I just ignored him
[16:16] <SporkWitch> nacc: yup, supporting him to better run his ubuntu system; again, you're more disruptive than the stuff you're whinging about
[16:17] <oerheks> .. nice rant, linux_user .. now grab your keys and be happy
[16:17] <SporkWitch> oerheks: you're not alone; it's sure sounded like a hypothetical the last hour
[16:17] <linux_user> nacc: I want to get a list of the keys that should be there so when the devs write ansible scripts I know I can reset the system to where it should be if they mess it up.
[16:18] <oerheks> store the deb locally ...
[16:19] <nacc> SporkWitch: and again, you seem to fully misunderstand this user. They are using ansible in their deployment, it's possibly not a single system; it's not about sysadmins, etc.
[16:19] <nacc> linux_user: imo, the 'default' keys are in the keyring packages
[16:20] <linux_user> nacc: What I wanted to do was get a list of the key IDs and the key servers so I can add it into the ansible script I run to make sure its right everyday
[16:20] <SporkWitch> nacc: i'm understanding it fully, now that he's said he's found an actual issue; if it was done using ansible, as he's now implying, then the same are likely missing on all.  The solution has already been provided when you haven't been whinging and scrolling information off the screen.  Check the logs, see what's missing, add them back.   Please stop with ad hominens
[16:26] <linux_user> hggdh: I'll look at the gpg commands
[16:27] <linux_user> hggdh: excuse me, but I gave a medical description of a man, no different than saying he has acne
[16:27] <linux_user> I have training in that area
[16:27] <hggdh> linux_user: you have been warned.
[16:27] <SporkWitch> hggdh: still think my call was unjustified? lol
[16:27] <linux_user> hggdh: warned of waht?
[16:27] <linux_user> I did nothing wrong
[16:28] <linux_user> I'll look at the gpg command - thank you
[16:29] <hggdh> SporkWitch: please do not engage on this type of discussion, it is absolutely unproductive
[16:30] <SporkWitch> hggdh: hence the call when it devolved; i had provided the solution multiple times, as well as preventatives for the future
[16:31] <hggdh> SporkWitch: I know. But engaging does not help
[16:31] <Pisote> Hi people! I am trying to install dual boot ubuntu 18.04/Windows 10 in a UEFI computer. Is there any way I can install grub in the efi boot partition so it boots grub instead of windows boot manager?
[16:32] <Pisote>  I would like to avoid to install windows again, I read that dual boot can be configurated but it is necessary to install ubuntu first
[16:32] <SporkWitch> Pisote: install windows first, install linux, point it at the existing EFI system partition.  Should be automatic.
[16:32] <oerheks> !uefi
[16:35] <someguuuy> based on my reading it looks like nvidia cards have a lot of issues in 18.04?
[16:35] <someguuuy> i tried both nouveu and nvidia drivers and have issues with both, plus it looks like i am not running wayland which based on my reading is due to using nvidia driver?
[16:36] <tya99> hi, i installed the gnome extra extensions so i could change the gnome shell in gnome tweak tool next to Shell it has None
[16:36] <SporkWitch> someguuuy: only one common one i'm aware of; the suspend issue has been present for a while, AFAIK.  That said, I had no issues on mine with proprietary binaries
[16:36] <tya99> and nothing but default, i want to use Adwaita on my shell
[16:36] <Pisote> Sorry I was reading.. thanks guys! Thatts what I guessed, but wanted to be sure ;)
[16:36] <someguuuy> SporkWitch, you are using wayland?
[16:36] <Pisote> see you soon if everything is ok reinstalling ubuntu lol
[16:36] <SporkWitch> someguuuy: i use KDE, wayland isn't supported yet
[16:37] <SporkWitch> someguuuy: i was already typing before you sent the message mentioning wayland
[16:37] <someguuuy> SporkWitch, isnt supported by nvidia yet or isnt supported by 18.04 yet?
[16:38] <SporkWitch> someguuuy: wayland isn't supported in the KDE version in kubuntu 18.04 yet; not sure about gnome, but it's possible there's an issue there.  I know nvidia binaries and the plymouth bootsplash have issues (or did in the past; mostly when combined with FDE)
[16:39] <tya99> surely the Adwaita gnome shell theme is available without installing from third parties
[16:39] <someguuuy> SporkWitch, yeah i am having tons of issues with my 1060, nouveau makes everything lock up at the login screen (gui) and also having issues with nvidia drivers
[16:40] <someguuuy> the main reason i installed ubuntu on this new machine instead of arch is i wanted to try wayland and thought 18.04 had aa pretty stable implementation
[16:41] <someguuuy> i went to scale one of my monitors to 200% (4k monitor) and it made my 1080p monitor 200% as well and i that is when i realized i wasnt running wayland
[16:41] <SporkWitch> someguuuy: i'm running a GTX1060m (laptop), it was stubborn about using the driver wizard to switch to the binaries, but i was able to install via command line and it ended up using them correctly.  As far as the DM, try lightdm or sddm; can confirm sddm doesn't have any issue (default DM for KDE / kubuntu)
[16:41] <someguuuy> i thought ubuntu was using lightdm as default?
[16:41] <someguuuy> maybe i will try kde, i havent run kde since like version 3, maybe worth taking a look
[16:42] <someguuuy> but i really want to be able to scale per monitor
[16:42] <hggdh> someguuuy: yes, scaling right now applies to *all* monitors (I also have a HiDPI latoptop, and a 1080p extermanl monitor)
[16:42] <SporkWitch> someguuuy: think it's GDM, since it switched back to gnome, no?
[16:42] <someguuuy> that is supposed to be one of the big improvements in wayland i bellieve, per monitor scaaling
[16:42] <someguuuy> SporkWitch, oh right probably, yeah
[16:43] <someguuuy> maaybe i will return this 1060 and get an AMD card, hear anything if AMD runs better w/ wayland?
[16:43] <hggdh> someguuuy: the only two options right now are (1) have all videos HiDPI, or (2) scaling set to 100%, and the HiDPI device set to a lower resolution
[16:43] <hggdh> someguuuy: well, depending on the size of the HiDPI device. Mine is 13 inches...
[16:43] <someguuuy> hggdh, you mean in X or in waylaand too?
[16:44] <hggdh> someguuuy: in X
[16:44] <SporkWitch> someguuuy: KDE5 is pretty awesome, overall huge improvements over the years, though some regressions in Locale settings and virtual desktops (no more per-desktop wallpapers or widgets, they want you to use those silly "activities" instead; regional format settings are now done by locale, can't be custom set beyond "use this locale for time format, this for currency")
[16:44] <someguuuy> I will give KDE5 a try if i can get a astable wayland going
[16:44] <hggdh> someguuuy: and this is valid for Gnome, I do not know how, for example, KDE would behave
[16:44] <SporkWitch> someguuuy: that wouldn't get you your per-display DPI settings
[16:45] <someguuuy> i feel like my other machine with aa 580 had better linux drivers, AMD really has stepped up their linux driver game
[16:47] <mouses> meta-lmeta-lmeta-lmeta-lmeta-lmeta-l
[16:47] <mouses> whoops :)
[16:48] <someguuuy> maybe i will just run the onboard graphics
[16:48] <someguuuy> i think intel drivers work with wayland
[16:48] <SporkWitch> someguuuy: intel has excellent linux support, though you're losing the advantage of a really good GPU...
[16:50] <someguuuy> SporkWitch, it might be enough for what i need, which is basically productivity and watching videos
[16:51] <someguuuy> although i dont know if i can drive 3 or 4 hi res monitors
[16:51] <SporkWitch> yeah, onboard would be fine for that; still feels like a waste, though :'(
[16:51] <someguuuy> i am just reading that wayland isnt even default in 18.04, that might explain why i am not using it LOL, i thought it was the defaultl
[16:52] <someguuuy> i thought the reason i wasnt using wayland was i installed nvidiaa drivers
[16:52] <SporkWitch> that'd do it lol
[16:53] <someguuuy> another funny issue is my entire gui is unresponsive if i plug a monitor into a specific DP port
[16:53] <someguuuy> i thought at first it was a haardware issue on the new card but in windows its completely fine
[16:54] <someguuuy> if i change the monitor to any other DP port its fine, odd issue
[16:54] <someguuuy> brb going to see if i can get wayland working
[16:55] <SporkWitch> couldn't comment on displayport; none of my displays support it and i kind of avoid it, since the cables are pricey and i have a million DVI and HDMI cables heh
[16:57] <Ridley5> hi all
[16:57] <Ridley5> i have some trouble finding driver for my dvb-t adapter
[16:58] <Ridley5> ID 15f4:0131 HanfTek
[16:58] <wkitty42> i need some help with a guest  ubuntu 14.04.5 amd64 server kernel panicing in a qemu-kvm virtual machine... it just started panicing this morning after updating the guest and the host...
[16:59] <Ridley5> i have this error in kernel.log " media: module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing - tainting kernel"
[16:59] <wkitty42> not sure where to look and total novice... host and guest have been running fine for several years until this morning's aptitude update...
[17:00] <oerheks> excellent post about that HanfTek = Astrometa_DVB-T2. >> https://askubuntu.com/questions/655801/how-to-install-a-usb-tv-tuner
[17:00] <compdoc> wkitty42, what sprt of update was it on the guest?
[17:00] <compdoc> sort
[17:01] <wkitty42> @compdoc i regularly run an aptitude update via a logging script but i cannot get into the guest to get its log
[17:01] <tomreyn> Ridley5: this kernel.log message is because you have secureboot enabled and the kernel module it is trying to load is not signed. about your tv tuner, be sure to read this fully: https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Astrometa_DVB-T2
[17:01] <compdoc> wkitty42, do you use virt-manager?
[17:02] <wkitty42> compdoc: basically it is "aptitude update" followed by "aptitude safe-upgrade"
[17:02] <tomreyn> wkitty42: can you show the panic output?
[17:02] <Ridley5> thank you tomreyn, i have readed that but i cant find a proper why to install the driver
[17:03] <tomreyn> Ridley5: so which of these hardwares do you have there?
[17:03] <wkitty42> compdoc i think so...it says it is virtual machine manager 0.9.5
[17:03] <oerheks> oh good spot tomreyn
[17:03] <wkitty42> tomreyn i have only a jpg image of the last 25 lines
[17:04] <Ridley5>  i have the 2014 revision  tomreyn
[17:04] <tomreyn> oerheks: :) thanks
[17:04] <tomreyn> wkitty42: better than nothing
[17:04] <wkitty42> tomreyn how to post image so you can see it?
[17:05] <tomreyn> Ridley5: are you certain? so the PCB says exactly this? "DVB-T/T2/C+FM+DAB"
[17:06] <compdoc> wkitty42, the host is 14.04? Ive never used ' safe-upgrade'  Does that upgrade the kernel?
[17:06] <Ridley5> the picture are the same tomreyn (stick, cd ...) i wanna open it now..
[17:06] <wkitty42> compdoc yes whenever there is an update for it...
[17:07] <wkitty42> compdoc, and yes, the guest is 14.04 server amd64
[17:07] <tomreyn> wkitty42: imgur.com is an option
[17:07] <wkitty42> tomreyn ok... BRB
[17:08] <compdoc> wkitty42, I said the host. is that 14.04 too?
[17:08] <wkitty42> tomreyn : https://imgur.com/a/esjOwJ9
[17:09] <wkitty42> compdoc, sorry, yes... fully updated with aptitude as noted... i use the same method on all my systems... the host is also amd64 but it is NOT server... it is kubuntu with KDE...
[17:09] <tomreyn> Ridley5: i'm not sure i understand. you are going to open the chassis to check what it says on the PCB? or is this device still packaged (and vendor sealed) and you are about to open the package?
[17:10] <someguuuy> ok got wayland working and scaling per display works now
[17:11] <someguuuy> im probaably going to hook up a single monitor to this maachine though so i might give kubuntu a try
[17:11] <tomreyn> wkitty42: hmm this is not very telling unfortunately: it paniced while trying to load a kernel module. can you tell whether you had custom kernel modules configured? ones you built yourself or something?
[17:11] <wkitty42> compdoc most of my VMs are ubuntu 14.04 server... but i do have a couple that are not... the thing is the 32bit VMs are running but the amd64 ones are panicing...
[17:11] <someguuuy> i was more interested in wayland for my other machine because i use a mix of 4k and 1200p monitor
[17:12] <Ridley5> it's the 2014 revision  tomreyn
[17:12] <Ridley5> i just opened it
[17:12] <wkitty42> tomreyn no clue... i only installed it and then updated it... it mainly runs a synchronet BBS which is self-compiled on that VM...
[17:12] <tomreyn> Ridley5: okay, and you verified this how?
[17:12] <compdoc> wkitty42, were they ever imported from a different hypervisor? or were they created and run solely on ubuntu w/ kvm?
[17:13] <tomreyn> Ridley5: i'm insisting on clarifying this to ensure both you and i dont waste our time
[17:13] <wkitty42> tomreyn it has something to do with amd64 i'm sure because all my 32bit VMs are running... none of the 64bit ones...
[17:13] <someguuuy> oh man, resize window shortcuts dont work under wayland? forget it lol
[17:13] <Ridley5> i know tomreyn, thank you very much for that
[17:13] <Ridley5> it's the same PCB as here https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/File:Astrometa_2014_PCB_2.jpg
[17:15] <tomreyn> Ridley5: so you verifiied it by its looks only? since the text clearly states "2013 and 2014 revision look very similar. Probably, the text on the 2013 revision always reads "FM+DAB+SDR", while the 2014 one says "DVB-T/T2/C+FM+DAB"."
[17:16] <Ridley5> i have "DVB-T/T2/C+FM+DAP" on my stick tomreyn
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> !who | someguuuy
[17:16] <tomreyn> wkitty42: does it panic immediately at boot or is there other output before this?
[17:17] <tomreyn> Ridley5: okay! now we're getting somewhere! :)
[17:18] <Ridley5> nice tomreyn, i'm traying to get it working from 4 days now
[17:18] <tomreyn> Ridley5:so which driver gets loaded currently, and how does it not work? is there something about it not working in dmesg?
[17:20] <tomreyn> Ridley5: please also tell the ouputs of "cat /proc/version", "cat /proc/cmdline", "lsb_release -ds"
[17:20] <wkitty42> tomreyn there's a lot of output that goes buy... i can't read it and don't have a clue how i might be able to... i can select any of the grub options and all do the same thing... none of the four or five kernels or their recovery modes work...
[17:20] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | Ridley5
[17:20] <Ridley5> this the log tomreyn : https://pastebin.com/rPuQJ24y
[17:21] <someguuuy> SporkWitch, i got per monitor scalaing working but its a joke, most of the apps dont even support it, so not even worth running wayland, going to give kubuntu a try
[17:21] <Ridley5> i do that for /proc sorry
[17:22] <tomreyn> wkitty42: i haven't checked but i bet the cpu model is an issue. i suggest you try a different one.
[17:23] <SporkWitch> someguuuy: sorry to hear that; that said, i do like KDE
[17:23] <someguuuy> SporkWitch, yeah im going to give it a try, otherwise i am going back to xfce which isnt fancy but it works
[17:24] <Mrokii> Hello. Is there any way to upgrade 16.10 (for which I can't seem to download files anymore) to the 17.04 or any of the later Ubuntu-versions?
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> SporkWitch, someguuuy there is a nice #ubuntu-discuss channel if you guys like
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: those are end of life
[17:25] <someguuuy> lotuspsychje, thanks
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: choose a supported version from our topic to install
[17:25] <SporkWitch> Mrokii: any x.10 and odd-numbered x.04 are only supported until the next version is released; even numbered x.04's are LTS and are supported for 5 years
[17:26] <Mrokii> So there's no way to update that version anymore?
[17:26] <SporkWitch> !dist-upgrade | Mrokii
[17:26] <SporkWitch> apologies, you want !upgrade | Mrokii
[17:26] <nacc> !eolupgrade | Mrokii
[17:26] <nacc> Mrokii: you are multiple releases EOL out of date
[17:27] <nacc> Mrokii: tbh, a reinstall is probably less painful
[17:29] <Mrokii> I'll think about that, thanks.
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: alot of security updates are out since then too, why risk?
[17:29] <Ridley5> that is tomreyn : https://pastebin.com/j8c0EaLi
[17:29] <wkitty42> tomreyn i'll try changing it from the "copy host cpu" option... that's an opteron_g5... i have tried kvm64 and qemu64 but they did the same thing... the opteron_g5 has been working since installation... 1 CPU allocate...
[17:30] <compdoc> 1 CPU allocate?
[17:30] <Mrokii> lotuspsychje: I don't want to go through re-configuring the system on that laptop, if possible. That's why I was looking for an upgrade-possibility.
[17:30] <SporkWitch> Mrokii: many settings can be transferred simply by backing up your home
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: your the boss of your system mate, we can only advice
[17:31] <wkitty42> compdoc my host CPU has 8 cores... i sest the VMs to only use 1 of them...
[17:31] <tomreyn> Ridley5: try the hwe kernel
[17:31] <tomreyn> !hwe | Ridley5
[17:31] <compdoc> ouch. thats crazy
[17:31] <Mrokii> I'll think about what to do. Thanks anyway.
[17:31] <compdoc> wkitty42, were any guests ever imported from centos?
[17:32] <Tmorrish> hello
[17:32] <Ridley5> i'm installing that tomreyn, thank you
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> Tmorrish: welcome to ubuntu support, what can we do for you?
[17:33] <wkitty42> compdoc no... i have one ubuntu amd64 server VM, one wheezy 64bit VM and one or two other 64bit VMs and they are all doing the same kernel panic...
[17:33] <tomreyn> wkitty42: your screenie https://i.imgur.com/cMrHkZG.jpg said Pentium 2X, 1996, i440FX chipset. that's not opteron G5.
[17:33] <compdoc> tomreyn, thats normal
[17:34] <Tmorrish> I am having a issue and am a little out of my depth wondering if anyone else has had AMD ryz server issues
[17:34] <tomreyn> compdoc: is it? ok, i wasn't so sure about that
[17:34] <wkitty42> tomreyn i saw that and wonder WTH... i'll do a screen shot of the virt-manager gui screen. stand by...
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> Tmorrish: best is to explain your detailed issue to the channel, all in one line so volunteers can try helping you
[17:34] <tomreyn> wkitty42: it might be better to work with libvirt-bin on the host
[17:35] <wkitty42> tomreyn https://imgur.com/a/eAkMbXR
[17:36] <wkitty42> tomreyn i don't konw enough about what virt-manager does to know how to duplicate its options... i only just now found where the img files are stored... these are all raw imgs so "qemu-img check" wasn't able to help...
[17:36] <Tmorrish> so i am renting a server, and for some reason its locked up on normal boot but i can boot into recovery GRML version from the provider but every time i try to pull down my backups it locks up (3.19.0-1-grml-amd64) its a known kernel issue
[17:37] <tomreyn> wkitty42: i see, i had no doubts that you have it set, in virt-manager, to clone the host config. just sometimes virt-mannager doesn't do what is says it is doing, or just dodesn't succeed at doing what it trie to do, because of different versions of virt-manager and libvirt on the host.
[17:37] <Tmorrish> i fixed the issue on the main but the recovery has the old kernel and still locks up
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> Tmorrish: wich ubuntu version is your server running?
[17:37] <nacc> Tmorrish: sounds like someting to ask your provider about?
[17:37] <Tmorrish> 16.04
[17:37] <nacc> Tmorrish: as that's not an ubuntu kernel, afaict
[17:38] <compdoc> tomreyn, theres only two chipsets kvm supports,  i440FX and q35. but the cpu can be whatever
[17:39] <Tmorrish> is there a way to update the kernel on a live/recovery/rescue boot without rebooting
[17:39] <compdoc> wkitty42, can you use virsh dumpxml for a guest with the problem, and put the output to pastebin.com?
[17:39] <Ridley5> i have installed LTS Enablement Stacks tomreyn
[17:40] <tomreyn> compdoc: ok, i just read up on this, indeed, entirely normal.
[17:40] <Tmorrish> if not where can i find the logs that will tell me why the normal ubuntu is not completing the boot process
[17:40] <Sanctified> #osdev
[17:40] <oerheks> Tmorrish, you really should seek help with your vendor
[17:40] <EriC^^> Tmorrish: i think that's what live patching does
[17:41] <tomreyn> Ridley5: and rebooted, too?
[17:41] <tomreyn> any change?
[17:41] <wkitty42> compdoc: is there some way to know what aptitude brought in and installed today? we do updates every time the system says there's one available... the last one was on the 7th and only updated git...
[17:41] <Ridley5> i do it now tomreyn stay here please lol
[17:41] <wkitty42> compdoc: sorry was writing... yes i'll try that dumpxml... stand by...
[17:41] <tomreyn> Ridley5: ok i'll wait up to 30 min
[17:42] <compdoc> wkitty42, likely you can check the apt logs in /var/logs
[17:42] <regeya> so I have an 18.04 install I did on a btrfs raid1 setup.  The installer bombed out but at the time it looked like it bombed out at installing grub, so I installed grub from the livecd.  I got it to boot, and the fstab has entries like:
[17:42] <Tmorrish> the vender is use less there like boot into the recovery/rescue and backup your files and reinstall but i cant backup cause it locks up on file transfer rsync scp https and ftp
[17:42] <regeya> overlay / overlay rw 0 0
[17:42] <regeya> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
[17:43] <pavlos> wkitty42: /var/log/apt/history.log
[17:43] <tomreyn> term.log rather, history may not have recoreded those.
[17:44] <regeya> I added the @home subvol manually last night and restored my files to that.  when I rebooted a few minutes ago, the fstab is back to the original two lines and was rewritten on boot.  So...uh...how do I prevent the system from rewriting my fstab?  Am I supposed to put my fstab info elsewhere?  I did some searching, but didn't find anything.
[17:44] <wkitty42> compdoc: is that dumpxml run against the img file or something else i have to hunt up to find where virt-manager put it??
[17:44] <wkitty42> thanks, pavlos
[17:45] <pavlos> wkitty42: also check /var/log/apt/term.log as tomreyn wrote
[17:45] <compdoc> wkitty42, open a term window and type: virsh dumpxml yourguestname > yourguestname .xml
[17:46] <regeya> ah, well, twas worth a try.
[17:47] <Ridley5> tomreyn: it seem ok in the log now: https://pastebin.com/0ViBMGbw
[17:51] <charolastra> hi, doing a server install with software RAID. as soon as i compose the RAID it does a resync, which is pointless, takes hours and slows the install to a crawl. is this the usual behavior? cause i've done the same install on the same hardware some time ago and i don't remember this happening
[17:51] <wkitty42> compdoc: thanks! sorry for the delay... https://pastebin.com/DfF9x2Jd
[17:52] <regeya> so if I had the 18.04 installer quit when installing grub, is there anything I need to do other than installing grub?  I wasn't sure why the /etc/fstab has root listed as 'overlay / overlay rw 0 0'.  I have tried to add subvolumes/mount points to fstab but they're overwritten on boot.  Apparently the installer doesn't like my btrfs raid setup :-}
[17:52] <tomreyn> Ridley5: according to this you have the variant with the Rafael Micro R820T tuner which doesn't support DVB-C.
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> Tmorrish: we can only support vanilla ubuntu versions here, as suggested above
[17:53] <Ridley5> that mean not supprted tomreyn ?
[17:53] <charolastra> Ridley5: but you can use it as an SDR :)
[17:53] <tomreyn> Ridley5: but you want DVB-T, right? terrestial (antenna, over the air), not cable, right?
[17:54] <Ridley5> yes that is tomreyn
[17:54] <tomreyn> Ridley5: so no problem there, it should support DVB-T fine.
[17:54] <Ridley5> ahh good
[17:54] <tomreyn> Ridley5: so configure it, scan, see whether and how it works
[17:55] <Ridley5> thank you very much tomreyn i wanna try it with Kafeine do you suggest me anothe good dvb-t player ?
[17:56] <tomreyn> Ridley5:  it's years ago that i used DVB, i could probably not provide a good recommendation. i used xine back then. but you'll better search for yourself.
[17:56] <charolastra> just make sure that there is still DVB-T at your location
[17:56] <Ridley5> ok thank you tomreyn :) i apreciated your help
[17:57] <regeya> I wonder if I booted from the Live CD and chrooted into this new install, if that'd help me figure out why / seems to be overlay.  Thoughts?  Anyone?
[17:58] <tomreyn> Ridley5: welcome. and charolastra has a point, some countries / regions are now moving to to different standards, making these devices useless.
[17:58] <charolastra> regeya: no idea, but if you boot the installer you can go into repair mode and continue the install where you have left of
[17:58] <Ridley5> i trayed it on Windows system it work
[17:59] <genii> PSA
[17:59] <genii> !yahoo
[17:59] <regeya> charolastra:  Can you?  I couldn't tell you what the error message was I got last night said but I didn't get that impression.  Thank you!  I wonder if I've messed things up by restoring my files since then though?
[18:02] <charolastra> regeya: i'm just at the same point as you. for me GRUB install fails on a RAID setup, so i've just tried that multible times (and to delete partitions and try again). afaik it does the user setup after GRUB install and so you have to enter user/password every time you rerun the installer
[18:03] <tomreyn> charolastra: actually i think the server installer wouild always start synching the RAID array as soon as it was setup. obviously you don't *have* to wait for it to finish to reboot, but it'd start from scratch then.
[18:04] <compdoc> wkitty42, you have that xml file saved?
[18:04] <wkitty42> compdoc: is that what you were looking for? https://pastebin.com/DfF9x2Jd
[18:04] <compdoc> yes, thanks
[18:04] <compdoc> wkitty42, you have that xml file saved?
[18:04] <tomreyn> charolastra: if this is just a mirror RAID, what you could probably do is to create the array with just one device during installation and add the other device(s) later after reboot.
[18:05] <wkitty42> i have it saved here on my system, yes, compdoc
[18:06] <charolastra> no, it's RAID5. and it does the sync every time. even when i have nuked the partition tables by overwriting with zeros, etc.
[18:06] <compdoc> wkitty42, everything looks good, but Ive found if you dont define a cpu, it often works better. I also changed the video card a little:  https://pastebin.com/yhEm5qmK
[18:07] <compdoc> wkitty42, try that, and you can always change it back with that xml file
[18:08] <tomreyn> personally i had tried w/o memballoon
[18:08] <compdoc> Ive never had an issue with memballoon. and you should use it
[18:08] <tomreyn> this didnt work so well on older linux guests
[18:08] <tomreyn> well for me anyways
[18:10] <wkitty42> compdoc: ok... i'm not sure how to load yours, though... do i need to exit virt-manager, too?
[18:10] <regeya> ok charolastra.  I'll give it a try.  Thanks.
[18:12] <compdoc> wkitty42, I think you can use virsh import xml, but maybe change the name and it should create a new vm. All I did was cut out the cpu section, so virsh edit name works too, if you know how to use vi
[18:14] <compdoc> I also changed the video to cirrus, and that gives the guest video a little more ram
[18:14] <wkitty42> compdoc: i have mc ;)   i did see what you did... i'll try that by saving yours with a new name and editing the VM name...
[18:14] <compdoc> good
[18:15] <wkitty42> compdoc: is it ok to just edit the name and leave the uuid alone?
[18:16] <compdoc> not sure. it the original isnt running, might be fine
[18:16] <compdoc> you can change it
[18:17] <wkitty42> compdoc: the original is not running and i have quit virt-manager, too... will try to import now...
[18:25] <wkitty42> compdoc: error: Failed to create domain from haven2-vm.xml
[18:25] <wkitty42> compdoc: error: operation failed: domain 'haven-vm' is already defined with uuid 8d88f791-5b85-5293-329f-943e871c4a02
[18:26] <compdoc> yeah, need to change the name in the xml file slightly, or did you?
[18:26] <wkitty42> compdoc: haven only appears twice... once in name tags and the second time is the img file name...
[18:26] <compdoc> use haven-vm1 or something
[18:26] <wkitty42> compdoc: i changed to <name>haven2-vm</name>
[18:27] <compdoc> then the uuid is the problem, huh? maybe change that number just slightly
[18:27] <wkitty42> compdoc: i used this command... virsh create haven2-vm.xml
[18:27] <wkitty42> compdoc: ok... will try that...
[18:28] <wkitty42> compdoc: that was it... changes last digit to "3"...
[18:28] <wkitty42> compdoc: now to see if it is running...
[18:29] <wkitty42> virsh list says it is but i have to look with vuirt-manager to see if it is jamed and maxing the virtual CPU again...
[18:30] <wkitty42> compdoc: it is paniced again just like before...
[18:30] <compdoc> well heck
[18:31] <wkitty42> compdoc: i think it is something in the update that was applied this morning but i don't know how to get into the VM's disk image to get to my update script's log file...
[18:31] <wkitty42> compdoc: or if i even can get into it...
[18:33] <compdoc> add an ubuntu server/desktop iso to the cdrom, and boot that. then you can browse the var/logs on the disk
[18:36] <compdoc> probably eaier with desktop
[18:37] <compdoc> easier
[18:37] <wkitty42> compdoc: i haven't even used a CD in a VM...  here's another thing... i use virt-manager to force stop that haven2-vm image and it disappeared... it isn't even listed in virt-manager's VMs list any more...
[18:38] <compdoc> yeah, thats normal
[18:38] <compdoc> you have to use a command that makes it permanent
[18:39] <wkitty42> compdoc: oh, virsh create foo.xml doesn't do that??
[18:40] <compdoc> you might have to use virsh define, or something
[18:42] <wkitty42> compdoc: hummm... ok... i saw where create defined and executed so i used that... i'll try define...
[18:43] <compdoc> I might be wrong - its been a while since Ive used those commands. i use virt-manager mainly
[18:44] <wkitty42> compdoc: yeah, define saved it and made it perm... now it is listed in virt-manager and can be started and stopped but it doesn't help with the panic... i'm trying to figure out how to do the boot CD thing...
[18:45] <wkitty42> compdoc: do i put the boot CD into my host's CD drive and then use virt-manager settings to connect to the host CD and then select to boot from it in the boot section??
[18:53] <compdoc> wkitty42, I usually download the iso from a mirror, then in virt-manager attach the file to the cdrom in the guest
[18:54] <compdoc> then select the cdrom as first boot device
[18:58] <shazbotmcnasty> hello - I'm having some issues with my ftp setup. I've got most of it working but cannot upload to the directory i've set up. The local_root=/media/NAS -- I've uncommented the "write_enabled=YES" in vsftpd.conf and restarted the server. I think it's permissions issues on the directory I'm using but I can't quite figure it out. Anyone have a second for permissions problems?
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> shazbotmcnasty: be carefull with ftp, its a big security risk these days
[18:59] <shazbotmcnasty> I've set the userlist to just be one user, when I 'ls -ld' the directory is just lists 'root' user.
[18:59] <shazbotmcnasty> lotuspsychje: I know. I'm just trying to get it to work for now.
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> shazbotmcnasty: vsftpd channel is dead and nobody uses it anymore
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> shazbotmcnasty: cant you choose a safer alterntive instead?
[19:00] <shazbotmcnasty> Ok I'll rephrase. My user 'backup' can't write to a directory i need it to write to. can someone assist me getting user writes to that folder
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | shazbotmcnasty
[19:02] <shazbotmcnasty> christ
[19:04] <wkitty42> compdoc: ok, i'll try that... i've been looking for our 14.04 install disk and haven't found it yet... i'll try the image like you suggest...
[19:04] <compdoc> doesnt have to be 14.04 if youre just looking at files
[19:04] <compdoc> 16.04 is fine
[19:05] <compdoc> even 18.04
[19:09] <coconut> lotuspsychje: safer alternative is sftp right?
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> coconut: yeah or whatever the user needs as end goal, ssh for example
[19:10] <leftyfb> shazbotmcnasty: you were concerned about a GUI to manage permissions or whatever in plesk. If plesk has the ability to manage linux users, then that is all you need. rsync over ssh will use the built in linux users.
[19:11] <wkitty42> compdoc: i found my ubuntu server amd64.iso and attached it... it is booted to the install select menu... i'm guessing i can use the recover a broken system option?? i've never used it before and on't knw what to expect...
[19:12] <l4m8d4> Hello there, is there a possibility to have multiple ESPs (EFI partitions) on a system?
[19:12] <compdoc> wkitty42, dont think you can try Server. You should boot Desktop and select Try, rather than install
[19:12] <coconut> lotuspsychje isn't ssh overcompensated for some file share only?
[19:12] <leftyfb> compdoc: server will work just fine to recover files
[19:12] <compdoc> can you live boot it?
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> l4m8d4: can you tell us what you wanna do exactly?
[19:13] <leftyfb> coconut: ftp is being used to backup files. scp/rsync is a better solution than ftp
[19:13] <hid> rclone is good too
[19:13] <wkitty42> compdoc: ok... i'll stop that one and go grab another image... i guess i do want live boot and really wish i could have mc to hand in it, too...
[19:13] <willfrand> instalé lubuntu 18.04, pero no me aparece los datos en home, me aparece un archivo que es Acces-your-private-data.desktop, sospecho que son mis datos encriptados y no se como solucionarlo. Alguien puede ayudarme??
[19:14] <leftyfb> wkitty42: ubuntu server will work just fine
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> !es | willfrand
[19:14] <l4m8d4> lotuspsychje: I normally habe a system setup where there are 2 disks with a big LUKS container, which contain both mirrors of a BTRFS RAID1. Now, of course, I want to have 2 ESPs as well, to be a ble to boot from both disks in case of hw failure
[19:14] <wkitty42> leftfb: ok... so use the recover broken system option? this is all extremely new territory for me...
[19:14] <leftyfb> wkitty42: sure
[19:14] <wkitty42> leftyfb: sorry...
[19:15] <compdoc> wkitty42, backup your disk img file first
[19:15] <compdoc> copy it somewhere
[19:17] <wkitty42> compdoc, leftyfb: looks like this may be a host qemu problem... the amd64 ubuntu server iso won't boot further... same panic... hang on and i'll get another screen shot...
[19:17] <wkitty42> compdoc: absolutely! i run out of terrabytes for saving too many things all the time :lol:
[19:18] <l4m8d4> lotuspsychje: I was in the server installer for 18.04, which only lets me select one boot disk, so only one ESP seems possible
[19:18] <wkitty42> compdoc leftyfb: panic screen shot https://imgur.com/a/JjoMSLF
[19:18] <compdoc> wkitty42, I think qemu was 32bit, and kvm was better for 64bit, then they were combined. maybe you dont have the full package installed. I have a 14.04 server running 64bit OSes
[19:18] <lotuspsychje_> l4m8d4: ah your on server, perhaps try the #ubuntu-server channel?
[19:18] <willfrand> i cant to entre the spanish room
[19:19] <compdoc> wkitty42, , is the host 32bit?
[19:19] <lotuspsychje_> willfrand: i can join it
[19:19] <wkitty42> compdoc: the image has been running since 14.04 was released... same as the host... both are 64bit...
[19:19] <lotuspsychje_> willfrand: did you register your nickname?
[19:19] <l4m8d4> lotuspsychje_: Ok, I can try that, thanks!
[19:19] <leftyfb> wkitty42: http://blog.siphos.be/2016/09/mounting-qemu-images/
[19:20] <l4m8d4> (seems to me like a general problem though)
[19:20] <leftyfb> wkitty42: if you follow those instructions, you should be able to mount the qemu image itself directly
[19:20] <willfrand> lotuspsychje_, Im a guess
[19:20] <lotuspsychje_> willfrand: i see you joined the channel
[19:21] <wkitty42> leftyfb: trying that now... gotta save a copy of the img, first...
[19:21] <willfrand> yes, im now it¿n the room
[19:21] <willfrand> thanks
[19:28] <prex_> Hi there! Can anybody help me with FTDI/D2xx drivers and udev rules? Need to finish my thesis :S
[19:28] <wkitty42> compdoc: i'm still waiting on the cp of the img to finish but i wanted to point out that none of my 64bit VMs are running... it is not just this one but all of them are failing... i'm starting to think it has something to do with the host qemu upgrade from this morning...
[19:28] <shazbotmcnasty> so i've chmod'd and chown'd the heck out of this folder and for some reason I can't get it to change - when doing 'ls -ld /directory' is still just lists the root user
[19:28] <shazbotmcnasty> even after i add the user i'm trying to get on there
[19:28] <shazbotmcnasty> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jun 12 09:55
[19:29] <compdoc> wkitty42, yes. Can you see the version of kvm thats installed? I can check it against the 14.04 vm server I have.
[19:30] <leftyfb> prex_: You don't get help writing a thesis on IRC
[19:30] <leftyfb> shazbotmcnasty: you were concerned about a GUI to manage permissions or whatever in plesk. If plesk has the ability to manage linux users, then that is all you need. rsync over ssh will use the built in linux users.
[19:31] <shazbotmcnasty> leftyfb: wrong. I wanted to use the plesk GUI to set up backups. Completely different.
[19:31] <shazbotmcnasty> I'm trying to set permissions on a folder now so i can write to it with ftp.
[19:31] <prex_> leftyfb: haha, thanks... I'm pretty good at writing, less at Ubuntu stuff ;-)
[19:32] <compdoc> this is from my 14.04 server. now Im afraid to try it...  https://pastebin.com/4xVVLtck
[19:32] <compdoc> wkitty42 ^
[19:32] <wkitty42> compdoc: kvm --version gives me this "QEMU emulator version 2.0.0 (Debian 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.43), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard"
[19:34] <prex_> Ok, I will just ask my question: I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 on VMware and I'm trying to connect to my FTDI hardware by using D2XX driver. However, I can only do it with root privileges at the moment. So I tried to make an udev rule which works on my physical machine, but not on VMware...
[19:34] <compdoc> wkitty42, mine says:   QEMU emulator version 2.0.0 (Debian 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.40)
[19:35] <compdoc> maybe because I havent upgraded
[19:35] <leftyfb> wkitty42: apt-cache policy qemu-kvm
[19:36] <wkitty42> compdoc: yeah, i'm ahead of you, looks like... i upgrade religiously... especially since running servers available to the 'net... i'll post my host's log from this morning in a sec...
[19:38] <wkitty42> compdoc, leftyfb: here's what was installed this morning when this mess started... https://pastebin.com/6Abiiqm2
[19:39] <leftyfb> wkitty42: apt-cache policy qemu-kvm
[19:39] <wkitty42> leftyfb: do you know how i can back up to the previous stuff i had? i don't know what that command does...
[19:39] <leftyfb> wkitty42: that command will tell us what version of the qemu-kvm package you have and where it came from
[19:40] <wkitty42> leftyfb: ahh! ok... stand by...
[19:41] <wkitty42>  apt-cache policy qemu-kvm
[19:41] <wkitty42> qemu-kvm:
[19:41] <wkitty42>   Installed: 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.43
[19:41] <wkitty42>   Candidate: 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.43
[19:41] <wkitty42>   Version table:
[19:41] <wkitty42>  *** 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.43 0
[19:42] <compdoc> wkitty42, how is it that my 14.04 server uses kernel 4.4.0-121-generic #145 and youre on kernel 3.13.0-151-generic{a}
[19:43] <compdoc> I think maybe safe-upgrade doesnt upgrade kernel?
[19:43] <SporkWitch> !safe-upgrade
[19:43] <SporkWitch> drat
[19:44] <wkitty42> compdoc: i dunno... maybe because i use aptitude? i really don't know... i have used aptitude for years... the kernels do get upgraded but maybe only in the current family?
[19:44] <ioria> compdoc, 'cause you're using hwe he's not
[19:46] <wkitty42> @all: sorry for the paste flood, earlier... i didn't think that little amount would be bad...
[19:46] <compdoc> ioria. I think thats true
[19:46] <wkitty42> i just saw the notice from "Drone" about that...
[19:49] <compdoc> well, tonight I'll try upgrading qemu-kvm like you did, and see what happens. that server has 64bit BSD, Centos, and Windows 7 pro guests
[19:52] <wkitty42> compdoc: i trust you have tested backups that you know are good? ;)
[19:52] <compdoc> well, the guests wont change, only the host. and I dont have a backup of that
[19:53] <compdoc> I just run apt-get dist-upgrade whenever I can for it
[19:54] <compdoc> wkitty42, you might have a look at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[19:54] <compdoc> I have that installed
[19:54] <wkitty42> compdoc: yeah... i'm thinking it is the host that is causing this... something in the host's new qemu-kvm...
[19:55] <compdoc> can you uninstall the updates?
[19:56] <wkitty42> the last update to our qemu-kvm was 2018 Mar 22 @ 10:28 -0400... here's the log snip from that... https://pastebin.com/NpMFqtGg
[19:56] <wkitty42> compdoc: thanks... i might do that...
[19:57] <compdoc> Ive never tried to remove an update
[19:59] <wkitty42> compdoc: i'm thinking about that, now... how to remove the qemu update from this morning and return me to the amd64 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.42 i had before the update... that was working but it might not, now, with that guest's new update which i'm still trying to get to that log...
[20:01] <Guest35286> hey