[04:24] <jarosser> im just curious is ebox going to be with the next release of ubuntu server
[04:33] <mralphabet> jarosser: I believe so, there has been a lot of work done to get it ready.
[04:33] <jarosser> cool i played around with their live cd and it does make things easier
[04:55] <MajorP> hello
[04:55] <MajorP> ive a question, why should i use ubuntu server insteed of debian? is there any security significate special fetures?
[04:55] <MajorP> i only know sudo and that is not the best solution, i think so
[04:56] <MajorP> ive read some docs but no page describle the sec features
[04:57] <MajorP> would be nice if u can say why u use ubuntu and no other dist
[04:58] <ScottK> One factor is do you want a steady release schedule and support window versus a release every year or two whenever the stars happen to align.
[05:00] <MajorP> okey the cycle from debian's new versions is not the best, but they are the fastet in bringing new fixes, on a server i dont need the newest apps, they must be rockstable and do there work for years
[05:01] <ScottK> My experience is that Ubuntu and Debian are both pretty quick on security fixes.  The two distros do cooperate.
[05:02] <ScottK> There are some differences in kernel hardening, but I'm not really qualified to discuss.
[05:03] <ScottK> Ubuntu has apparmor well deployed and SE Linux sort of deployed.  Debian has about the same SE Linux as Ubuntu.
[05:04] <MajorP> well right, ubuntu based on debian. i'am also not a profi but i love debian, and cant understand why there is such a hype around ubuntu, its the same on server side
[05:07] <ScottK> For me I need to be more cutting edge than Debian Stable for a variety of reason on server and desktop both and so Ubuntu serves very nicely as a stabilized Unstable.
[05:08] <MajorP> lol stabelized unstable :P
[05:08] <MajorP> ok well thats a reason
[05:09] <faulkes-> well, there is the recent addition of ufw
[05:09] <faulkes-> which makes managing iptables a trivial task
[05:09] <MajorP> ok thanks for u're input, i think ure in right, ubuntu is a modern server os
[05:10] <MajorP> and is out of the box the better choice than debian
[05:10] <faulkes-> well, I think the overall philosophy with ubuntu is that it should be easy to use
[05:10] <faulkes-> and that applies to the server edition as well
[05:10] <MajorP> sorry what is ufw?
[05:10] <faulkes-> that isn't to say debian isn't easy to use
[05:10] <ScottK> faulkes-: But if you know what you are doing, Debian is easy to use.
[05:11] <faulkes-> ubuntu firewall
[05:11] <faulkes-> ScottK: re: my last comment
[05:11] <MajorP> mh i lern linux about 1 year and i think debian is easy to use
[05:11] <ScottK> MajorP: CLI iptables helper for those that need it.
[05:11]  * ScottK too.
[05:11]  * faulkes- makes not argument otherwise
[05:11] <faulkes-> s/not/no
[05:12] <MajorP> have started with suse and in accord to debian is suse a horror trip
[05:12] <ScottK> My first mail servers were Debian, but then I needed Postfix 2.2 and Sarge only had 2.1.
[05:12]  * ScottK used opensuse desktop for a while.
[05:12] <ScottK> Never again.
[05:12] <MajorP> ;)
[05:12] <MajorP> ok on desktop i use ubuntu
[05:12] <faulkes-> my first mail server was uucp ;)
[05:13] <ScottK> Postfix still support uucp, so you can have that now if you want it.
[05:13] <MajorP> cause it's ready to use after installation and very comfortable
[05:13] <ScottK> That's where ubuntu-server aims to get.  We're getting closer.
[05:13] <faulkes-> ScottK: yeah but I'm not really going to go digging around for uucp maps
[05:13] <faulkes-> although I did love bang path addressing ;)
[05:13] <ScottK> Just saying ...
[05:14] <MajorP> what is bang path?
[05:14] <ScottK> You used to have to specify mail routing back before it was all one big happy internet
[05:15] <MajorP> ahh so long time ago?
[05:15] <MajorP> well not in years but in it ;)
[05:15] <faulkes-> yes, in a galaxy far far away
[05:15] <MajorP> :P
[05:15] <ScottK> It's essentially a compound address scheme that stores forward and reverse path routing info in the address
[05:16] <ScottK> It's actually still supported in the RFCs, but seriously deprecated.
[05:16]  * faulkes- g protocols ScottK
[05:16] <ScottK> Sort of anyway.
[05:16] <ScottK> It was deprecated in RFC 821 if that gives you an idea how long ago.
[05:16] <ScottK> Gotta run.  It's late here.
[05:16] <faulkes-> aye, although there is still some use of it in areas where telecom infrastructure is not up to snuff
[05:16] <faulkes-> night ScottK
[05:16] <MajorP> ok thanks for the explication
[05:17] <faulkes-> speaking of which, I should probably hit the sack as well, I have to be up early for a meeting in the city
[05:17]  * faulkes- hates meetings
[05:17] <MajorP> how long ure doing linux faulkes-?
[05:17] <MajorP> ok cya ScottK!
[05:17] <faulkes-> since kernel 0.99p1
[05:18] <MajorP> ha not bad
[05:18] <MajorP> when was that?
[05:18] <faulkes-> 93-94'ish
[05:18] <MajorP> nice, while i was playing in the sandbox ;P
[05:19] <lamont> ScottK: uploading 2.5.1-1 to sid, pls poke me to ask for the sync once the alpha gets out and unfreezes us
[05:19]  * faulkes- is an old old man
[05:19] <faulkes-> evening lamont
[05:19] <lamont> evening
[05:21] <faulkes-> man, I'm really enjoying playing with fusesmb
[05:23] <MajorP> which dist u would use on a 1gb usb stick?
[05:24] <MajorP> archlinux or is there smt better out there?
[05:26] <faulkes-> it has never occured to me to do so
[05:26] <faulkes-> other than to have usb emergency recovery stick
[05:27]  * faulkes- enjoys his laptop
[05:28] <faulkes-> although I need to buy a new laptop soon
[05:28] <ScottK> lamont: OK.  Or I could just ask.
[05:28] <ScottK> faulkes-: How old?
[05:28] <ScottK> Or did we have this conversation already?
[05:29] <ScottK> And I'm old enough I forgot.
[05:31] <MajorP> ok :), dont have enough money for a laptop but i have a nokia e61 its a good compromise, i can surf, write mails, tel via voip and also can connect on a server through ssh when i need in emergency
[05:31] <robc4> faulkes, thanks for answering my question so promptly about ebox on the forums (I am e30power on there)
[05:58] <faulkes-> np
[05:58] <faulkes-> glad to have helped
[06:00] <faulkes-> ScottK: don't remember if we did or not
[06:00] <faulkes-> 35 in actual years
[06:00] <faulkes-> well, what I really want is to get a new dell xps fully loaded
[08:30] <nijaba> good morning
[08:51] <[miles]> moaning
[09:28] <kraut> moin
[10:27] <_ruben> a collegue just a 7.10 server install .. 2x 250GB sata, with s/w raid + lvm .. which had the OS end up with lilo instead of grub .. my own installs (with slightly different partitioning) do have grub
[10:27] <_ruben> this new install is one big raid1 with lvm on top it
[10:27] <_ruben> grub cant boot lvm on top of raid?
[10:28] <henkjan> guided partitioning with lvm does create a separate /boot, not on lvm
[10:29] <henkjan> so thats what i'm using when im doing it manually
[10:29] <_ruben> hmm .. i used to have seperate /boot partitions as well .. thought the werent necesary no more .. might have him do a reinstall then ;)
[10:30] <henkjan> s/w raid + lvm rocks btw :)
[10:32] <_evert_> hi all
[10:33] <_ruben> henkjan: yup .. been using it for quite a while .. thought i'd get rid of the various mdX devices tho .. initialy i had md0: /boot; md1: /; md2: lvm; md3: swap
[10:33] <_ruben> root on lvm isnt a problem these days .. guess /boot remains a bit special
[10:34] <henkjan> it was just recently i discoverd the +lvm option. At first created way to much mdX devics (for every partition)
[10:36] <_ruben> hehe
[10:43] <soren> Does anyone know how to move around extents on a physical volume? I want to shrink a pv, but it won't let me because it (in its infinite wisdom) apparantly alloceted a few of the very last extents on the pv.
[10:44] <soren> Or if I could just figure out *what* is allocated there, that would also be helpful.
[10:47] <soren> *headdesk*
[10:48] <soren> dmsetup table ftw
[10:51] <_ruben> what's "recommended" method for building 32bit packages on a 64bit host (also taking in account the output of uname, kernel versions, etc)?
[10:51] <_ruben> i want to create some sort of sandbox on a 64bits host in which to be able to build 32bit stuff .. or is a vm the desired approach?
[11:08] <nijaba> _ruben: why don't you use PPA?  it should do the cross arch building for you...
[11:16] <faulkes-> morning
[11:26] <sergevn> faulkes-: morning
[11:41]  * _ruben googles for ppa .. seen it mentioned numerous times, no clue what it is ;)
[11:42] <_ruben> ah, but wouldnt using ppa slow down the whole process, can imagine there's a queue you'd have to wait on
[11:45] <faulkes-> iirc you can build your own cross compiling environment although I don't think ubuntu has anything out of the box which does that
[11:45] <faulkes-> and certainly, if you create a 32bit vm, that would make things quite easy
[11:49] <_ruben> vm will probably be the way to go .. especially on the longer term .. later this year i'll be deploying a vmware esx environment
[11:50] <_ruben> my current vmware machines have some performance issues disk/cpu wise
[11:57] <soren> _ruben: Setting up a pbuilder is not very difficult.
[11:57] <soren> _ruben: There's certainly a howto on the wiki somewhere.
[11:58] <soren> _ruben: #ubuntu-motu is a goot place to start.
[12:01] <_ruben> hmm .. hylafax is in ubuntu .. hylafax+ isnt .. there a source tarball/deb/rpm/srpm avail .. no mention on how to build your own .deb .. bah
[12:01] <_ruben> ok .. lets look at pbuilder
[12:02] <_ruben> pbuilder looks rather trivial
[12:02] <_ruben> ccache looks nice as well
[12:47] <mok1> Grrr. My nismaster can't bind to YP server :-/
[12:48] <normanm> hi all , I'm using ldap to store user / groups . Now i want to allow all users ( ldap ) in a specific group ( ldap ) to execude all commands via sudo . so i added the %group config stuff to suoders file. But sudo just keep telling me that the user was not found in sudoers file. if i add the username directly it works. Any ideA ?
[12:48] <mok1> normanm: look in /etc/nsswitch.conf
[12:49] <zul> morning
[12:49] <mok1> morning, zul
[12:49] <normanm> mok1, there is allready: sudoers: file ldap
[12:49] <mok1> normanm: what if you move file behind ldap?
[12:50] <normanm> mok1, same
[12:51] <normanm> maurer is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[12:51] <mok1> normanm: id maurer?
[12:52] <normanm> mok1, its works via ssh and login
[12:52] <normanm> root@dmz-pf:~# id maurer
[12:52] <normanm> uid=10000(maurer) gid=20000(staff) groups=20000(staff),20002(website),20003(fwadmin)
[12:53] <mok1> normanm: ... and you have %staff in sudoers I guess
[12:53] <normanm> mok1, yes:
[12:53] <normanm> %staff  ALL=(ALL)       ALL
[12:55] <mok1> normanm: weird. That gid number is awfully high though. Perhaps there is some convention for that?
[12:55] <mok1>  For example, if uid < 1000, lots of things dont work right
[12:55] <mok1> (for users)
[12:57] <normanm> mok1, you are right...!
[12:57] <normanm> it works with 2000
[12:57] <mok1> normanm: heh! It'd be nice to know where that is documented...
[12:58] <normanm> mok1 true..   Will open testing soon
[13:47] <sommer> cool :)
[14:00] <coNP[uni]> Hey everyone!
[14:01] <coNP[uni]> What should I make to start iscsi before mounts?
[14:01] <coNP[uni]> (Ubuntu Gutsy)
[14:02] <kgoetz> er, whats your question?
[14:04] <coNP[uni]> I want to mount a filesystem from an ISCSI disk
[14:04] <coNP[uni]> But it seems that fstab entries are mounted _before_ open-ISCSI service is started
[14:05] <mathiaz> coNP[uni]: that may be a bug in open-iscsi then.
[14:05] <kgoetz> most likely yes.
[14:05]  * coNP[uni] tries something else first
[14:05] <mathiaz> coNP[uni]: when is open-scsi started ?
[14:05] <kgoetz> isnt iscsi done in kernel? filesystems need to be mounted to load most modules
[14:06] <mathiaz> kgoetz: the iscsi module should be in the initrd
[14:08] <kgoetz> mathiaz: i'd more or less agree.
[14:08] <coNP[uni]> Actually we also need to start the ISCSI service
[14:08] <coNP[uni]> So that /dev/sd? becomes available
[14:38] <clusty> is there a mod_gzip apache module package?
[14:38] <clusty> can't seem to find it
[14:41] <zul> libapache-mod-gzip or something
[14:41] <coNP[uni]> are you sure an external module is needed?
[14:45] <clusty> quite sure
[14:46] <clusty> at least for suse i needed one
[14:46] <clusty> i better just try :D
[14:47] <clusty> there is nothing in mods-available
[14:50] <clusty> there is a mod_deflate
[14:50] <clusty> think that replaces it
[17:16] <AnRkey> how can i get my intell dp35dp board to work with raid 5 and Ubuntu server?
[17:33] <mathiaz> dantalizing: are you working on the monthly report ?
[17:40] <dantalizing> mathiaz: i am
[17:40] <mathiaz> dantalizing: great. Thanks for doing this work.,
[17:41] <dantalizing> my tiny tiny contribution
[17:41] <mathiaz> dantalizing: As you may have noticed I've brought up the question of status reporting during last meeting.
[17:41] <mathiaz> dantalizing: I'd like to stream line the process of reporting so that everything is integrated nicely.
[17:41] <dantalizing> i did see that in the minutes, i missed most of the last meeting due to my  own meetings
[17:41] <mathiaz> dantalizing: np.
[17:42] <mathiaz> dantalizing: so - the idea is to ask members to update a wiki page with status on their work done during last week
[17:43] <mathiaz> dantalizing: could we use the ReportingPage to do that ?
[17:43] <dantalizing> yeah, that'll be better than trying to cull what is going on from IRC and minutes
[17:43] <dantalizing> definitely
[17:43] <mathiaz> dantalizing: I've looked over the MonthlyReports.
[17:44] <mathiaz> dantalizing: the mobile team does a report using section per week.
[17:44] <mathiaz> dantalizing: I think that's a bit too precise.
[17:44] <mathiaz> dantalizing: so I thought about having a section for each week on ReportingPage
[17:45] <mathiaz> dantalizing: and then when we prepare the monthly report we just collapse the section into one and merge activities reports
[17:45] <dantalizing> mathiaz: ok
[17:45] <mathiaz> dantalizing: so that the monthly report is a summary of the weekly reports.
[17:46] <dantalizing> mathiaz: ok
[17:46] <mathiaz> dantalizing: so the workflow would be to copy MonthlyReports to Archive/Month
[17:46] <mathiaz> dantalizing: do the editing in Archive/Month
[17:47] <mathiaz> dantalizing: and copy Archive/Month in the MonthlyReport
[17:47] <mathiaz> dantalizing: does this work for you ?
[17:47] <dantalizing> mathiaz: sounds good
[17:48] <dantalizing> mathiaz: you own it, so its up to you.. i'm just helping out...
[17:48] <mathiaz> dantalizing: great !
[17:48] <mathiaz> dantalizing: I'll document the process.
[17:48] <dantalizing> i can do this, np
[17:48] <mathiaz> dantalizing: well - you do the real work...
[17:48] <mathiaz> dantalizing: so you know what's needed and how to improve the process
[17:49] <dantalizing> mathiaz: so each section of the roadmap will have an update, theoretically, correct?
[17:49] <mathiaz> dantalizing: yes
[17:49] <mathiaz> dantalizing: I'll keep the ReportingPage up to date
[17:49] <mathiaz> dantalizing: with a list of sections where status reporting is needed
[17:50] <mathiaz> dantalizing: and before each meeting I'll send an email asking developers to update the section.
[17:50] <dantalizing> mathiaz: so we'll have to add a section for things like the mentoring program... an 'other' or 'miscellaneous' to catch stuff outside the roadmap
[17:50] <mathiaz> dantalizing: correct.
[17:50] <dantalizing> mathiaz: ok, np
[19:36] <electrolite> hello all
[19:42] <electrolite> anyone know if the apache2.2.4-3build1 ubuntu .deb pkg has an issue with mod_ldap? As soon as I enable the authnz_ldap.load mods-enabled, apache flakes with this error "[Fri Feb 22 14:07:45 2008] [error] Module mod_ldap missing. Mod_ldap (aka. util_ldap) must be loaded in order for mod_auth_ldap to function properly". I think it be that the aforementioned ubuntu deb pkg wasn't compiled with mod_ldap parameter enabled? Any ideas?
[19:45] <sommer> electrolite: do you have libapache-mod-ldap installed?
[19:45] <sommer> and enabled
[19:46] <electrolite> let me check real quick...
[19:46] <mathiaz> electrolite: make sure it's enabled.
[19:46] <mathiaz> electrolite: libapache-mod-ldap is not what you want
[19:46] <mathiaz> sommer: it's for apache 1.3
[19:46] <mathiaz> sommer: for apache2, you'd have to look for libapache2-mod-ldap
[19:47] <sommer> mathiaz: ah, seemed the most likely from apt-cache search apache | grep ldap
[19:47] <mathiaz> sommer: but that doesn't exist because the ldap module is part of apache2 IIRC
[19:47] <sommer> mathiaz: gotcah
[19:47] <mathiaz> sommer: right. libapache == 1.3 - libapache2 == 2.2
[19:51] <electrolite> yep, it is for 1.3.....
[19:52] <electrolite> I think that mod_ldap is a compile switch that wasn't set on the precompiled binary pkg from the ubuntu repository for the apache2.2.4-3build1 pkg
[19:52] <electrolite> I'm trying to see if there's something I've overlooked before I'm forced to download the source for apache and compile it myself
[19:54] <mathiaz> electrolite: which swith are you talking about ?
[19:55] <mathiaz> electrolite: --with-ldap=yes is used to configure apache2
[19:57] <electrolite> Yep...I don't think that is enabled in the the .deb in the ubuntu repository. I'm trying to load authnz_ldap.load and it's dependent on mod_ldap
[19:58] <electrolite> I think that they (ubuntu apache2.2.4-3build1 developers-pkg makers) didn't include --with-ldap=yes
[19:59] <electrolite> I'm running ubuntu 2.6.22-14-server
[20:00] <mathiaz> electrolite: did you enable the ldap module ?
[20:00] <mathiaz> electrolite: there is a ldap.load in /etc/apache2/mods-available/
[20:00] <electrolite> yep...let me confirm it's enabled
[20:00] <mathiaz> electrolite: is there a symlink /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ldap.load ?
[20:06] <electrolite> there is now. excuse me while I go bury my head in the sand.
[20:07] <electrolite> Thank you Mathiaz....apparently, I missed the ldap.load sym link.
[20:08] <electrolite> apache is loading now.
[20:08] <electrolite> my conf file's wrong...but that's ok...I'll fix that now. Thanks
[20:18] <achandrashekar> Hi posted up on a ldap issue causing my system not to boot. Hangs on klog. It appears to be posted up on bug reports. Can someone help out?
[20:35] <mathiaz> sommer: what do you think about the ServerGuy wiki page ?
[20:35] <mathiaz> sommer: s/Guy/Gui/
[20:36] <sommer> mathiaz: I think it's okay, still pretty rough
[20:36] <mathiaz> sommer: I think it's ok. I've just quickly read it and it's good.
[20:36] <mathiaz> sommer: I think we can remove it from the Roadmap or may be ask for a review ?
[20:37] <sommer> mathiaz: no I think it covers what we were looking for... I've actually been meaning to remove that :-)
[20:37] <mathiaz> sommer: ok - I'll remove it.
[20:37] <sommer> cool thanks
[20:38] <mathiaz> sommer: could you add a section about in the ReportingPage ?
[20:38] <sommer> sure
[20:38] <mathiaz> sommer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReportingPage
[20:39] <mathiaz> dantalizing: I've reorganized the ReportingPage a little bit.
[20:39] <mathiaz> dantalizing: I've moved all the archived report directly under ReportingPage/
[20:40] <mathiaz> dantalizing: I've also update the ReportingPage for the month of March and start asking people to update the wiki page with what they're doing.
[20:40] <mathiaz> dantalizing: so the content of the page is about the month of March
[20:40] <mathiaz> dantalizing: for the month of February, you still have to go through the meeting minutes I've sent.
[20:42] <sommer> mathiaz: report updated
[20:48] <mathiaz> sommer: awesome - Thanks ! :)
[20:48] <sommer> welcome
[21:06] <dantalizing> mathiaz: ok, i'll the report updated soon
[22:14] <mindframe-> is there anything in ubuntu that would affect firefox sending dns requests through a socks5 proxy?
[22:14] <mindframe-> no matter how i configure firefox or foxyproxy dns requests are still done on the client side


[02:43] <duflu> RAOF: I'm still downloading trusty, so it will be some time before I can look for test failures there. Have you tried (Mir)?
[03:09] <RAOF> duflu: I have; test suite passes, both in-tree and on-build.
[03:10] <duflu> RAOF: Hmm. Though we are aware of some sporadic failures still - https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bugs?field.tag=testsfail
[03:10] <duflu> Or on Android, "reliable" failures
[03:11] <RAOF> Hey, didn't https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1201959 get resolved at the sprint?
[03:16] <duflu> RAOF: It looks like the right age, but you should double check with QA I guess
[05:06] <duflu> RAOF: It appears acceptance-tests is failing on a test we fixed recently... Only on trusty and only under debuild
[05:06] <duflu> I'll investigate after lunch
[05:06]  * duflu lunches
[05:25] <RAOF> Win!
[05:25] <RAOF> An amd64 Xserver build completes in the PPA!
[05:38]  * duflu suggests a Drinking Bird to manage the build button
[07:00] <doneill> Hi all. I'm having a difficult time running my Qt application on my Nexus 4 running the last Touch release: "<program> ./path/to/main.qml -platform ubuntu --desktop_file_hint=/path/to/program.desktop" just seems to hang and "ubuntumirclient" doesn't do more than crash with "QUbuntu: Could not create application instance". What am I doing wrong?
[07:05] <RAOF> doneill: Have we switched on the “you must start things from upstart” integration yet? That might be your problem, if so.
[07:07] <doneill> How would I deal with that? Is there a writeup on it somewhere?
[07:07] <duflu> Surely we have a shortcut for streamlining development (avoiding upstart)?
[07:08] <RAOF> duflu: I'd presume so, but I'm not really familiar with that particular bit, just that it was going to happen.
[07:12] <duflu> RAOF: Can you still reproduce the big radeon XMir problem?
[07:12] <duflu> (post-stripes corruption and flickering)
[07:13] <RAOF> The post-stripes corruption got fixed at the sprint.
[07:13] <RAOF> I'll upgrade the radeon box and see if the flickering's gone.
[07:13] <duflu> RAOF: No... the POST-stripes-bug :)
[07:13] <duflu> The bug after the stripes fix..
[07:13] <duflu> RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xmir/+bug/1233545
[07:14] <RAOF> Yeah, that's the flickering annoyance.
[07:18] <duflu> RAOF: The latest duplicate had a video showing damage rectangles offset by some amount, in some frames
[07:18]  * RAOF wonders if the thinkpad reproduces that, because that's much nicer to test on.
[08:30] <mlankhorst> Morning!
[08:30] <doneill> Hi mlankhorst.
[08:30] <mlankhorst> heya
[08:30] <doneill> RAOF: It launches from console using the system-settings.desktop hint, so that's something.
[11:54] <sil2100> Hello guys!
[11:58] <davmor2> hello sil2100
[12:04] <alan_g> hello sil2100
[12:06] <sil2100> Do you know if everything is ready for the mir transition? i.e. all dependencies in projects such as platform-api and u-s-c fixed?
[12:16] <alan_g> sil2100: is this the same question that didrocks was discussing with kgunn on Friday? AFAIK the only question was whether anyone had actually run the XMir build. (I don't know what happened over the weekend.)
[12:17] <sil2100> alan_g: that's probably the same thing - I only got an e-mail from Kevin that there were some unit-test failures, which I guess don't happen now or something, but I didn't get a green light to start our machinery
[12:18] <sil2100> alan_g: and I see the u-s-c mir dependency bump wasn't merged in yet, the MR was waiting
[12:18] <sil2100> So I started wondering if all was ready
[12:18] <alan_g> sil2100: yeah - I saw the emails, but they didn't tell me anything useful
[12:19] <sil2100> Same here, I'll maybe wait for Kevin to pop up then
[13:57] <racarr|sick> Happy monday
[16:00] <markss> It sounds like I shouldn't expect to be able to use Mir in a virtual machine at all presently,  based on what I can find on the Internet. Unless anyone here has seen it working in a virtual guest?
[16:08] <alan_g> markss: correct. Currently you shouldn't expect to be able to use Mir in a virtual machine.
[16:08] <racarr|well> markss: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1157196
[16:08] <racarr|well> has some info
[16:10] <racarr> I heard something along time ago about someone running xmir in virtualbox :p but I decided to believe
[16:10] <racarr> they were mistaken
[16:11] <racarr> VirtualBox and VMware do work with DRM though, sooooooo
[16:11] <racarr> perhaps a dedicated individual could solve it at this point
[16:15] <markss> alan_g, racarr:  Thank you.
[16:33] <Saviq> hey guys, what is:
[16:33] <Saviq> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:33] <Saviq>  libmirserver7 : Depends: libmirplatform (= 0.0.15+13.10.20131014-0ubuntu2) but 0.1.0+14.04.20131028-0ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[16:33] <Saviq> about
[16:33] <Saviq> ?
[16:33] <Saviq> that happens in https://code.launchpad.net/~kgunn72/unity-mir/bump-mir-dep16/+merge/191551
[16:35] <racarr> Saviq: libmirserver depends:          libmirplatform (= ${binary:Version}),
[16:35] <racarr> so it I guess something didnt get bumped?
[16:35] <Saviq> racarr, yeah, but why does that fail? something's not released yet?
[16:36] <racarr> Yeah I guess either libmirplatform isn't published
[16:36] <racarr> or the it is but the packages are uninstallable because something got out of sync
[16:36] <racarr> I Don't think so
[16:36] <racarr> maybe just libmirplatform isnt published?
[16:50] <racarr> Nice got my first ubuntu 14.04 has experienced an internal error
[16:52] <kdub> racarr, hah :)
[16:59] <Saviq> greyback, q: have you tried running unity8 under mir on desktop recently? I'm getting "cannot open current VT"
[16:59] <greyback> Saviq: I have not.
[17:00] <Saviq> greyback, should it work? I've gone:
[17:00] <Saviq> QT_QPA_PLATFORM=ubuntumirclient unity8 --vt 7
[17:00] <greyback> Saviq: try as root
[17:00] <Saviq> ah
[17:00] <Saviq> brb
[17:01] <greyback> Saviq: honestly, haven't tried that in a while
[17:01] <greyback> but in theory, it should work
[17:06] <Saviq> ok *something* happened, but nothing really interesting
[17:06] <racarr> I haven't tried in ages :)
[17:10] <racarr> back in 10-15. sun finally up over the buildings :p going to go for a walk
[17:14] <Saviq> greyback, and where do I get the QPA plugins for desktop from?
[17:16] <Saviq> qtubuntu-android still?
[17:16] <greyback> Saviq: qtubuntu-android
[17:16] <Saviq> ah, I had an :armhf version

[17:21] <Saviq> ohkay... /system/lib/libGLESv2.so not found
[17:23] <ogra_> Saviq, ugh, that shouldnt be hardcoded
[17:23] <Saviq> seems like there's stuff to fix in qtubuntu...
[17:23] <ogra_> armhf != touch ...
[17:23] <ogra_> (or s/touch/android/)
[17:24] <Saviq> ogra_, I know it shouldn't
[17:24] <ogra_> :)
[17:24] <Saviq> ogra_, didn't find yet what linked to it
[17:24] <ogra_> hybris usually ...
[17:24] <ogra_> but that shouldnt be installed on a non touch armhf install
[17:25] <ogra_> if something in mir hard depends on it thats wrong
[17:25] <Saviq> yeah, qtubuntu-android depends on it
[17:25] <ogra_> right
[17:25] <ogra_> remove that :)
[17:25] <Saviq> ogra_, libqubuntumirclient.so links to libhybris
[17:26] <Saviq> racarr, ideas why that ↑ happens?
[17:27] <racarr> because of platform api perhaps?
[17:27] <kdub> it uses egl?
[17:28] <racarr> this is on desktop
[17:28] <Saviq> racarr, yes
[17:28] <racarr> maybe application_api isnt properly split from the rest of platform-api anymore
[17:32] <racarr> Nice, olli at the cloud sprint :p
[17:34] <Saviq> racarr, who would we ask to look into fixing qtubuntu on desktop?
[17:34] <racarr> Saviq: I dont know so want me to do it? :p
[17:35] <racarr> I did it once before so it can't be that hard to do it again.
[17:35] <racarr> I can get to it in like 1 hour
[21:54] <mterry> If I have (1) USC running, (2) multiple sessions active, and (3) the right half of the front session is transparent, will Mir correctly show the back session on the right half of the screen?
[21:54] <mterry> racarr, kdub ^
[21:56] <kdub> it should do alpha blending
[21:59] <mterry> kdub, "should" or "I believe it does"?  :)
[22:01] <kdub> i havent checked recently
[22:01] <kdub> so, i think it does and havent heard otherwise
[22:05] <kdub> mterry, is it something you don't see behaving correctly?
[22:07] <mterry> kdub, well, no... But I don't have a tiny test case.  I'm working with two unity8 instances.  And maybe one of them is having a black background somewhere.  I'm looking into it
[22:07] <mterry> kdub, I'm guessing there's not a nice test for this in mir code somewhere?  :)
[22:08] <kdub> mterry, cool. the mir_demo_server_shell should be able to run 2 clients and you should see them on the screen together
[22:08] <kdub> although, that's a slightly different use case than seeing alpha blending...
[22:09] <mterry> kdub, I didn't know if there was maybe some clever Mir logic that disabled rendering a session that wasn't in focus
[22:10] <RAOF> mterry: I believe the current state of the code is that it USC will only service swapbuffers requests form focussed sessions.
[22:11] <mterry> RAOF, that's low level talk to me.  I'm guessing it won't update the bitmap, but will it render old bitmap to screen?
[22:11] <kdub> RAOF, but didn't duflu put in support for occlusion because that wasn't the case?
[22:11] <RAOF> kdub: Maybe?
[22:12] <RAOF> I know there was one point where USC was only doing anything interesting with the currently focussed session, and hadn't noticed anything change.


[15:57] <tiwake> oh hey, woodyPC joined and left... means he is not dead \o/
[19:56] <Ardonel> tiwake: I saw that
[20:12] <Ardonel> tiwake: any update on that job interview?
[20:22] <tiwake> not from that place :-/
[20:22] <Ardonel> anything at all?
[20:23] <tiwake> Ardonel: I called up another place from a little blurb I found in passing where they wanted a machinist... they called me back a couple times, with a couple emails that went back and forth over the last 2 days
[20:23] <Ardonel> promising?
[20:23] <tiwake> this one is sounding fairly promising actually
[20:23] <tiwake> yeah
[20:24] <tiwake> he wants me to fly out there... heh
[20:24] <Ardonel> where is there?
[20:24] <tiwake> first he wants me to fill out a job application, then we talk about money and other stuff
[20:24] <tiwake> http://www.lubbockelectric.com/
[20:25] <tiwake> 80 people work there
[20:26] <tiwake> they make their own equipment for agriculture processes, and electric motors
[20:26] <Ardonel> Lubbock, TX... home of Texas Tech Red Raiders...
[20:26] <tiwake> yeah
[20:26] <tiwake> though I don't follow sports at all
[20:27] <Ardonel> It's not a huge mega-city, but sometimes those are over-rated...
[20:27] <tiwake> what do you mean by that?
[20:28] <Ardonel> overly-large cities come with too many people... as in bad traffic...
[20:28] <tiwake> oh
[20:28] <tiwake> yeah
[20:29] <tiwake> I've heard that lubbock has no traffic
[20:30] <tiwake> though I'm mostly looking for a place that does not do car emission testing XD
[20:31] <tiwake> also, 350k people is a lot for what I'm used to... tillamook city has 6k people in it, and the whole county (one of the largest in oregon) only has 20k people in it
[20:31] <Ardonel> The 3 weeks I stayed in Lubbock while working in Levelland were ok as far as traffic goes.
[20:31] <tiwake> and it beats bozeman montana by a lot.. heh
[20:32] <tiwake> did you rent a house there?
[20:32] <Ardonel> No. Company had me in a hotel.
[20:32] <Ardonel> corporate rates
[20:32] <tiwake> alright
[20:33] <tiwake> not sure how much renting a house in the area costs
[20:33] <tiwake> typically rent prices follow property/house price, but I have not actually looked
[20:34] <Ardonel> I did 6 weeks worth of work in 3 weeks. I worked from before sun up until after the sun went down. My days started at 4:30 a.m. and ended about 10:30 p.m.
[20:34] <tiwake> hehe
[20:34] <tiwake> doing what?
[20:37] <Ardonel> Installing the refrigeration and air/con control wiring inside the Walmart. It's a system called/manufactured by Novar. It hooks air quality sensors to motor controllers in the skylights. It also uses a light sensor on the top of the store to control external and internal store lighting systems.
[20:38] <tiwake> ooo fancy
[20:38] <Ardonel> It also hooks the fire alarms to the aircon system to shut down a/c in the event of a fire. It measures temperatures in the refrigerated cases and food storage.
[20:39] <Ardonel> It also transmits all the above information to Benton-ville, Arkansas, home of Walmart. And it does it all in real time.
[20:40] <tiwake> I hope thats all encrypted
[20:40] <Ardonel> It's all private frequency, satellite communication. Probably scrambled.
[20:41] <tiwake> oh, their own network even, yeah
[20:41] <Ardonel> It is also in a format that is only useful to Walmart. Anyone else would see gibberish.
[20:43] <Ardonel> and that is what I know about that system from 14 years ago... I imagine it is even fancier now.
[20:43] <tiwake> that comment makes me feel young
[20:47] <tiwake> lol
[21:17] <tiwake> Ardonel: why? do you think I should consider some other place to work at?
[21:18] <Ardonel> Was just wondering where you were looking to see how far from WoodyPC and me you were going to be.
[21:18] <tiwake> oh heh
[21:19] <tiwake> well, I don't personally know anyone in texas, so shrug
[21:25] <tiwake> guess I could say I kinda know you
[21:28] <Ardonel> and WoodyPC sorta
[21:28] <tiwake> oh actually I do know a guy who lives close to amarillo
[21:28] <tiwake> met him a few times at a convention on the west coast
[21:28] <tiwake> and do internet stuff with him
[21:30] <tiwake> hmm
[21:31] <tiwake> Ardonel: what should I put down for "expected salary"?
[21:31] <Ardonel> put down 'YES'...
[21:31] <tiwake> all of the things
[21:31] <tiwake> lol
[21:31] <Ardonel> unless you are working for free...
[21:32] <tiwake> thats what I did for the last two years, free working no more
[21:33] <tiwake> because of that I'm completely broke :-/
[21:34] <tiwake> I'm thinking about putting down $18/hour
[21:35] <Ardonel> I know nothing about your industry, so I can;t really help on salary negotiations. Sorry.
[21:36] <tiwake> heh, I don't know much about that either
[21:36] <tiwake> I know what the typical shop makes, and where the expenses are
[21:36] <tiwake> but this is a company who makes their own products, so its going to be different
[21:38] <tiwake> I'll put down $18/hour, its a reasonable starting place for both of us I think... a larger city where there is more demand might get me $20-$25/hour
[21:39] <tiwake> or should I really just put down "yes" like you said? lol
[21:56] <Ardonel> brb, dinner


[00:03] <NwS> bryce, I didn't touch the root partition at all I just created a new LVM (if I remember correctly) with all the HDD space left (didn't even notice how much) following a guide so I can setup the seedbox there and started using it
[00:06] <NwS> https://pastebin.com/TWz474TK here is a df -h
[01:03] <bryce> NwS yeah your / is totally on a lvm partition.  Just shrink your /data partition and increase / to what you want, you'll be good to go.
[01:04] <bryce> NwS, google has tons of lvm tutorials, here's one that should cover what you need:  https://linuxtechlab.com/beginners-guide-resizing-lvm/
[09:31] <blscoe> Hello. I would like to question about a cenario. I have a server with mail system, but it works only local because my provider block SMTP ports. I have a friend that have a public IP and no restrictions to send and receive emails with SMTP ports. I would like configure my postfix to send and receive all e-mails through my friend's server (redirect inbound and outbond traffic). For do it I going to install a postfix in my friend's
[09:31] <blscoe> server to send or redirect this emails for internet (outbounding traffic) and receive the emails by the internet for my domain and redirect to my server over another port than 25, like submission port (inbound traffic).
[09:31] <blscoe> I can redirect my MX entries to the Public IP of my friend. But my question is about what kind of configuration I need to use in my server and in my friend's server to do it. (Smarthost, Satelite?)
[09:31] <blscoe> I read about a similar service called reflection, but I would like to configure by myself in postfix.
[09:33] <blscoe> Thanks for help!
[10:02] <blscoe> I got the answer lane, is transport_map. Thank you and sorry for anything. :)
[13:18] <coreycb> sahid: do you mind if I update networking-odl? it's the last failing backport for ussuri atm.
[13:26] <sahid> coreycb: yes please
[13:27] <coreycb> sahid: ok that's on it's way
[14:36] <coreycb> sahid: I've created lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu/+source/python-tabulate. note that is going to require an MIR.
[15:13] <coreycb> sahid: do you have any fixes in flight for networking-bgpvpn?
[15:15] <coreycb> sahid: I think this upstream hasn't caught up to the latest neutron updates, in particular https://opendev.org/openstack/neutron/commit/b4972e246d972885e216d437eb192ef76e82e890
[15:43] <sahid> coreycb: nop i think you were working on it
[16:21] <coreycb> sahid: do you have a bug open upstream for the barbican py38 failures? if not can you open one and we'll doc it in the patch header.
[16:22] <coreycb> sahid: fyi re patch headers: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html#patch-headers
[16:25] <sahid> coreycb: ack
[16:26] <coreycb> sahid: same for masakari and manila - they'll need upstream bugs. thanks. good to catch these early in the cycle and hopefully upstream will get to them before we have to.
[16:30] <coreycb> sahid: in the bugs i've been opening i've been telling upstream how to update tox.ini to pick up python3.8 in bionic to recreate. basepython has typically needed updating to point directly at python3.8. (tox -e py38 by default wasn't getting the right py3 version without that)
[16:32] <coreycb> sahid: example bug 1856848
[16:33] <coreycb> sahid: sorry one more thing please tag bugs with py38


[09:19] <Lantizia> Hey, since Maemo is set to shut down because Nokia can no longer be arsed any more
[09:19] <Lantizia> and MeeGo is RPM based (and Qt too) and that doesn't please me at all
[09:19] <Lantizia> What are the odds of seeing nice debian-based Ubuntu Mobile (with hildon) on the N900 any time soon?
[09:20] <Lantizia> Need to know my N900 still has a future
[09:21] <persia> Very low, actually.
[09:21] <persia> There's a few obstacles, which I'll outline:
[09:22] <persia> 1) hildon in Ubuntu is just not going to work cleanly because of the nature of the patches to gtk, and the difficulties in integrating this in any sane way.
[09:22] <persia> 2) There's not enough information about the N900 hardware for anyone other than Nokia to distribute a kernel
[09:22] <Lantizia> Does Mer have it's own kernel - that is working on the N900
[09:22] <persia> 3) Nobody seems to be working on trying to solve either of these problems for Ubuntu right now.
[09:22] <Lantizia> *Doesn't
[09:23] <Lantizia> So Hildon is doomed?  Dead projecty?
[09:23] <persia> Mer is probably the best bet for what you seek, yes.  I believe that Mer suggests using the HW vendor distributed kernels, but I haven't been following Mer for the past 9 months or so.
[09:23] <persia> I don't want to say it's doomed.  There's interesting stuff there.
[09:23] <persia> It's just not sanely mergeable with Ubuntu.
[09:24] <persia> So if you want hildon, you're better off with Mer.
[09:24] <Lantizia> I really like Hildon, I don't want to go Qt based for my UI at least - and I certainly don't want to go RPM based
[09:24] <Lantizia> But you're already using Hildon with Ubuntu Mobile
[09:24] <persia> Well., kinda.  It was hacky, and never quite worked.
[09:25] <persia> I don't think anyone seriously worked on it since the 9.04 release.
[09:25] <Lantizia> So with Hildon out of the picture for Ubuntu Mobile... is Ubuntu Mobile itself dead?
[09:25] <Lantizia> or is there a move to Qt planned or something else?
[09:26] <persia> Well, "Ubuntu Mobile" was never very well defined.
[09:26] <persia> It's had lots of guises over time.
[09:26] <persia> The "MID" flavour is not currently built.
[09:27] <persia> The "UMPC" flavour is similarly not currently built.
[09:27] <Lantizia> Well theres "moblin" and "intel" written all over it... now I know what moblin is (more by force since my Maemo is now a dead duck) I can't see how Ubuntu Mobile is related to moblin
[09:27] <persia> I think most of the interesting bits of both have even been removed.
[09:27] <Lantizia> Especially since moblin is RPM
[09:27] <persia> The Netbook flavour is now "Ubuntu Netbook Edition", and quite popular, but also maintained by the Desktop team.
[09:28] <persia> The "lubuntu" flavour (lxde) has had fits and starts, but doesn't seem to have gotten everything working yet: maybe for 10.10
[09:28] <Lantizia> What devices ran (embedded devices) Ubuntu Mobile?
[09:28] <persia> The "liquid" flavour (Qt) is also having issues, and likely to be in better shape for 10.01
[09:28] <Lantizia> lol yeah I tried Alpha 2 the other day - what a mess :)
[09:29] <persia> Well, the embedded project never really got much traction.  There's people who use Ubuntu on embedded devices, but it's very much self-assembled.
[09:30] <persia> Most of the Mobile developers have taken the attitude that handhelds and similar are powerful enough to be treated as normal computers.
[09:30] <persia> and "what shipped with Ubuntu Mobile" is another interesting question :)
[09:31] <persia> One might say that a raft of netbooks did, but lots of that was done by other teams, so perhaps not precisely correct.
[09:31] <persia> SmartQ5, SmartQ7, Sheevaplug, Efika MX, etc. all ship with a vendor-modified Ubuntu, but I've not investigated precisely what that means.
[09:33] <persia> But more generally, just about anything with x86, powerpc, or arm processors (of sufficient revisions), and the ability to control the boot to handle install *can* run Ubuntu, if you're up for a bit of hacking.
[09:33] <persia> I know people have run it on all sorts of MIDs and UMPCs, and a variety of Atom and ARM development boards.
[09:34] <persia> Someone was trying to get it to work on the Wii, but I never heard if this was successful.
[09:34] <persia> (although the XBox and PS3 communities are active)
[09:39] <Lantizia> See I liked Maemo, so p*ssed off they're discontinuing it
[09:39] <persia> Then join Mer :)
[09:39] <Lantizia> exactly what I wanted it, hundreds of my regular apps available via APT... GTK based interface
[09:39] <persia> Seriously, that's the best place to work on a hildon-based mobile environment.
[09:39] <Lantizia> I get the feeling when Maemo goes... so will mer
[09:40] <persia> Depends on the number of hands who join in to keep it.
[09:40] <Lantizia> plus I don't know if Mer will work with the phone functions of the N900
[09:40] <persia> I don't think anything will unless Nokia opens up more code.
[09:40] <persia> But seriously, if you want a project to continue, the best way to keep it is to jump in.
[09:40] <Lantizia> the dream of the 'open yet brand backed phone' hasn't quite come true
[09:41] <Lantizia> I'm considering selling my N900 since it's still in very good condition and only a month or so old
[09:41] <persia> Ubuntu UMPC was put together by two people over a four month period, and they stopped being interested, and stopped.  Lots of people complained about it being "dropped", but two other people didn't step up to continue it.
[09:42] <Lantizia> No I can't do this again - if I want an OS on my phone... I want something where the people doing the work are getting paid
[09:42] <Lantizia> I got screwed over by the Zaurus before
[09:43] <Lantizia> although they did continue - just in the japanese market
[09:46] <persia> Not anymore.
[09:46] <persia> The 3200 was the last unit sold.
[09:46] <Lantizia> oh :(
[09:46] <persia> The Netwalker is the closest available (and ships with a modified Ubuntu 9.04).
[09:47] <Lantizia> oooh that looks nice
[09:47] <persia> That said, my Zauri still get some use.  Just because the manufacturer doesn't make it anymore doesn't mean it's useles.
[09:47] <persia> I like it :)
[09:47] <Lantizia> i still have a collie with angstrom on it
[09:47] <persia> It's basically a laptop with a 4G SSD, except it fits in a pocket.
[09:48] <Lantizia> not a phone however :S
[09:51] <persia> Well no, but neither was the Zaurus.
[09:51] <persia> My personal preference is for a really small dumb phone with bluetooth coupled with a fairly powerful handheld.
[09:51] <Lantizia> I still have my E51
[09:51] <Lantizia> before the N900 I was going to get an N810 and use it with the E51
[09:51] <lool> E51 rocks, but it's a pre-iphone world phone
[09:52] <Lantizia> was waiting on a UK release of the N810 WiMax - but it never happened
[09:52] <lool> You have actual wimax coverage?
[09:52] <Lantizia> why does it matter it's pre-iphone?
[09:56] <lool> Lantizia: Well it's a perfect "old phone world" phone
[09:56] <lool> But it's not really on par with devices like N900, iPhone, or Android / Palm etc. phones
[09:57] <persia> This is a *good* thing.
[09:57] <persia> I want my phone to merely be a conduit.
[09:57] <lool> That's not what most people want though; I don't think such phones will exist much longer
[09:58] <persia> Yeah, and then I end up with a 200g phone :(
[09:58] <lool> I was really happy with my E51 though; it worked great even offline (in foreign countries notably) and the battery lasted forever
[09:58] <lool> It's funny it's mentionned here today, I just took it out yesterday to hand it to my neighbor who's phone was broken
[09:59] <lool> I told me for like 10 long minutes about all the cool features I used on it (or just tried out); of course it's full of proprietary software, but I kept enumerating the features it had, and I was amazed by the many things it did
[10:00] <lool> e.g. GPS with Nokia maps, how great the Google maps Symbian app was, Youtube/flash support, real player, remote erase, PDF/office viewer
[10:24] <Lantizia> I love my E51, dosbox, putty, google maps, good beer guide :), and of course full native SIP support
[10:24] <Lantizia> it wouldn't be so bad giving up the n900 for it
[10:25] <persia> Bah, features.
[10:26] <persia> Seriously, what does one need aside from the ability to act as a router to handle 3G/WiFi/WiMAX/etc. and maybe voice calls.
[10:32] <lool> persia: Well one thing I was missing was visio
[10:32] <lool> I also did use the SIP support, but it wasn't so great
[10:32] <persia> lool: That's why you carry a handheld :p
[14:15] <persia> asac: In the meeting there was some discussion of a potential MIR for chromium-browser.  Has that been filed, or will it not be filed for lucid?
[14:15] <asac> persia: we (me and security team) want to have a meeting asap discuss whats going on
[14:16] <asac> how much effort it would require. if its doable etc.
[14:16] <persia> Would it be possible to file a tracking bug in the meantime, even if it gets marked wontfix for lucid?
[14:16] <asac> go ahead ;)
[14:17]  * persia looks up the new MIR process again
[14:18] <rbelem> persia, i can help you with kde ftbfs
[14:19] <persia> rbelem: You can?  My basic problem is that I can't run `sudo apt-get build-dep kdebindings` successfully, and I don't understand why.
[14:19] <rbelem> ehehhe
[14:19] <persia> So, I'd appreciate help, but this is an area I should be able to sort, and is almost entirely unrelated to the actual code involved :)
[14:20] <persia> By the way, how goes -default-settings?
[14:20] <rbelem> it is almost ready
[14:21] <ian_brasil> rbelem, lets finish that now then
[14:21] <ian_brasil> ?
[14:21] <rbelem> ok
[14:21] <rbelem> and i'm working on kdm now
[14:21] <rbelem> maybe it will become a fork
[14:21] <rbelem> :-)
[14:22] <persia> To me, -default-settings is more time-critical than kdm.  kdm is likely to be out-of-archive, but we want some -default-settings in-archive.
[14:22] <rbelem> and later i will try to get it upstream
[14:22] <rbelem> ah cool
[14:22] <persia> Every patch is a fork: the key is to have them short-lived :)
[14:22] <rbelem> now i see
[14:22] <ian_brasil> rbelem, lets do default-settings soon
[14:22] <rbelem> ehehe
[14:23] <rbelem> ian_brasil, let's go
[14:23] <rbelem> persia, is there any other stuff that i can help?
[14:24] <persia> rbelem: Review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuLiquid/Seed and mark anything that belongs in a PPA ?  That's about it, really.
[14:25] <rbelem> cool
[14:25] <persia> Without the interface, the rest of it is mostly about creating the infrastructure to be well-poised to deliver in lucid+1
[14:27] <rbelem> :-)
[14:29] <persia> asac: Bug filed.  I've assigned you as you say you're planning to have a meeting.  Please reassign as appropriate once the bug can move forward.
[14:34] <asac> kk


[00:37] <nsherry> Hi, I'm having trouble understanding the launchpad ppa system in relation to scripting-language programmes and was hoping someone could help me out. I'm a bit confused about how to proceed, since all the documentation I find is talking about making binary builds out of the source. Is there any way to just upload the source?
[00:40] <spiv> nsherry: in debian/ubuntu, even programs in scripting languages like python need source packages that are built into "binary" packages.
[00:41] <spiv> nsherry: although "binary" is a bit of a misnomer in that case, it's more like "distribution-ready".
[00:41] <nsherry> spiv: if I already have a system in place for building distribution-ready deb files, is there a way to just upload those?
[00:42] <spiv> Not with PPAs, AFAIK.  So just upload the source package.
[00:47] <wgrant> nsherry: You have to upload a source package.
[01:39] <stas``> hi, can somebody help me please
[01:39] <stas``> I'm trying to use launchpad's openid
[01:39] <stas``> to autentificate with an application
[01:40] <stas``> I'm using latest simple openid class written in php from phpclasses
[01:40] <stas``> I can login, it authentificates me, but all the data I can get is my nickname
[01:40] <stas``> no email or anything else
[01:40] <stas``> :(
[01:41] <stas``> is this a client side software problem ( I mean, my code doesn't suit launchpad's requirements) or It is something else
[01:41] <stas``> ?
[01:41] <mwhudson> well
[01:41] <spm> stas``: what's the host url you're using - I'll look it up in the openid register for you?
[01:42] <stas``> http://bebuntu.t.nerd.ro/index.php/login
[01:42] <mwhudson> you can ask for the email address, but it's not something that happens by default
[01:42] <stas``> you can try it here
[01:43] <stas``> well, I'm asking in optionalFields about nickname, name and email, but all I can get is nickname
[01:43] <spm> stas``: that url '... nerd.ro' isn't in the openid relying parties.... so that'd be part of the problem I suspect.
[01:44] <stas``> you're saying I should register my url somewhere?
[01:44] <spm> stas``: yes
[01:45] <stas``> and you can tell me where is that somewhere? :)
[01:46] <spm> stas``: :-) yeah - create a question here: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[01:47] <stas``> :) may I ask for a wildcard domain?
[01:47] <stas``> :)
[01:47] <stas``> ubuntu.ro for example?
[01:47] <spm> doubt it
[01:47] <stas``> the app is hosted on my server but will be used on ubuntu.ro
[01:48] <spm> to be slightly more precise. none of the other sites/urls are wildcards. dunno if "can't" or "won't". Would probably assume former with dash of latter.
[01:50] <vadi2> Hi. Why is the project name of "contact-form-7" blocked?
[01:50] <spm> stas``: useful bg reading: http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/openid-from-your-launchpad-profile  & https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/OpenID
[01:51] <spm> vadi2: ? possibly because no such project or team/user exists on launchpad? Do you have a URL?
[01:51] <vadi2> I am trying to create a new project with such a name
[01:52] <vadi2> both "contact-form-7" and "contact_form_7" are blocked (latter giving a first character must be a valid thing error)
[01:52] <vadi2> went with cf7, that worked, but puzzling that these two did not
[01:53] <stas``> spm: already did that http://stas.nerd.ro/blog/index.php/read/442
[02:01] <spm> vadi2: just tried on staging. appears the name 'contact-form-7' gets zapped in the internal blacklist doohicky. bummer.
[02:02] <vadi2> doohicky?
[02:02] <spm> "thing"
[02:02] <vadi2> oh
[02:02] <spm> code. case tree, probably
[02:11] <vadi2> reminded me of people who can't get emails because of their name, heh
[02:11] <vadi2> *email accounts
[02:34] <ub3rst4r> hi, does anyone know how i can have my launchpad bzr code mirrored onto sourceforge?
[11:32] <wgrant> Is staging's DB not being clobbered nightly any more?
[11:34] <wgrant> In fact, the code is days old as well.
[11:37] <intellectronica> wgrant: staging was held back over the weekend for some translations testing. a restore has been triggered and should be complete in ~12h
[11:37] <wgrant> intellectronica: Ah, thanks.
[11:41] <wgrant> intellectronica: Where are these official tag editing views hidden?
[11:42] <intellectronica> wgrant: you have a link to them from the tags portlet on projects you have permission to edit
[11:44] <wgrant> intellectronica: Not for distros, I take it.
[11:45] <intellectronica> wgrant: yes for distros. do you have edit permission for a distro?
[11:46] <wgrant> intellectronica: I'm a bug supervisor. Or do you mean real launchpad.Edit?
[11:46] <intellectronica> wgrant: the latter
[11:46] <wgrant> Ah. That's a bit strange.
[11:46] <intellectronica> but i wonder if we shouldn't let bug supervisors edit too
[11:47] <intellectronica> wgrant: would you mind filing a bug? i think we should do that
[11:47] <wgrant> It's not destructive, so I don't see why not.
[11:47] <wgrant> intellectronica: Doing so.
[11:49] <wgrant> intellectronica: Bug #347218
[11:49] <intellectronica> ouch
[11:50] <wgrant> Yes.
[11:54] <wgrant> Who turned the bug page's tag hyperlinks black?
[11:59] <cocooncrash> Is it possible to delete a ~vcs-imports branch?
[11:59] <wgrant> cocooncrash: File a Question.
[11:59] <cocooncrash> wgrant: Thanks :)
[12:09] <intellectronica> wgrant: i did. to distinguish them from official tags, which are blue
[12:10] <wgrant> intellectronica: Mrghhh. I suspect they should still be something other than black.
[12:13] <intellectronica> wgrant: what for example ... white? ;)
[12:13] <wgrant> intellectronica: Exactly! That would discourage the people who decide to tag their bugs with most of the words from the description.
[12:14] <wgrant> There used to be the green vs. blue in the Code tag cloud.
[12:14] <wgrant> But that was abolished :(
[12:29] <wgrant> Bug notification levels? Blueprint structural subscriptions? Are these new, or just in the data model for future use?
[12:32] <intellectronica> wgrant: where do you seem them, exactly?
[12:32] <intellectronica> they are not new. they are for future use
[12:33] <wgrant> intellectronica: I sighted them in a timeout traceback in a bug.
[12:33] <intellectronica> wgrant: i find it surprising that you got a traceback
[12:34] <BUGabundo> LP now allows to mark bugs as dupes of other bugs, even when having dups bugs it self? eheh
[12:34] <wgrant> intellectronica: I didn't.
[12:34] <BUGabundo> and the dups of the now duped bug are kept as dups of it, instead of the master one!
[12:34] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Are you sure it's not just a bug in the AJAX widget?
[12:34] <wgrant> There's quite a few of them.
[12:35] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: care to file a bug? i think there's some work remaining to be done on the new bug duping ui
[12:35] <BUGabundo> ajax yes
[12:35] <BUGabundo> bug 340222
[12:35] <BUGabundo> is master
[12:35] <wgrant> mpt: Normal people just get a TimeoutError instead of a super-traceback.
[12:35] <BUGabundo> I dupe https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/262536
[12:35] <BUGabundo> to it
[12:35] <BUGabundo> witch already had a dupe bug
[12:35] <anilg> A question on packages in a project: nexenta (which is a distribution with ported ubuntu packages). When a user reports a bug, he cant seem to select a package.. the following is added to the report : "the original reporter indicated the bug was in package x; however, that package was not published in Nexenta Operating System."
[12:35] <wgrant> I presume it's a bug that it gets into infinite recursion because it lets it dupe itself to a dupe of itself.
[12:35] <BUGabundo> the 3rd dupe did not get changed
[12:36] <BUGabundo> I did it manually
[12:36] <wgrant> Which is probably only allowed by BUGabundo's bug.
[12:36] <anilg> How do i publish a package to a project?
[12:36] <wgrant> Which makes me fear that the logic to forbid dupe nesting was in the browser view, not the DB.
[12:36] <BUGabundo> eheh
[12:36] <BUGabundo> let me check satging
[12:36] <BUGabundo> for infintive loop
[12:36] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Staging is a week old.
[12:37] <BUGabundo> but it would be nice to have a tree of bugs
[12:37] <BUGabundo> not every bug is a dupe of master bug
[12:37] <wgrant> That would be ugly.
[12:37] <BUGabundo> nested bugs? why?
[12:37] <BUGabundo> it can make sense
[12:37] <wgrant> Confusing!
[12:37] <BUGabundo> in some corner cases
[12:37] <BUGabundo> not all of couse
[12:38] <BUGabundo> so now, are 3rd level bugs been stored as bug of one?
[12:38] <BUGabundo> original bug or new master?
[12:38] <wgrant> There isn't meant to be such a thing as a 3rd level bug, AFAICT.
[12:38] <BUGabundo> ok
[12:38] <BUGabundo> so no nested bugs
[12:39] <BUGabundo> wgrant: should I file a bug on the ajax thingy ?
[12:39] <wgrant> Bad Bugs team is bad.
[12:39] <BUGabundo> and isn't stagging supposed to be trunk?
[12:39] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Yes. And that they're doing validation in the wrong place.
[12:39] <BUGabundo> back in a sec
[12:39] <Ursinha> BUGabundo: it's frozen for testing of a specific thing
[12:39] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Apparently it was held back for translations testing.
[12:39] <BUGabundo> ok
[12:39] <intellectronica> wgrant: pardon?
[12:40] <BUGabundo> file again what?
[12:40] <wgrant> intellectronica: The validation for not creating a dupe of a dupe is in the browser view.
[12:40] <BUGabundo> launchpad? soyeus? malone?
[12:40] <wgrant> BUGabundo: malone
[12:41] <intellectronica> wgrant: yes, i realise. please file a bug
[12:41] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/347246
[12:43] <BUGabundo> now I see stuff like:
[12:43] <BUGabundo> "(This bug has 1 duplicate) Duplicate of bug #340222"
[12:43] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[12:44] <BUGabundo> on bug 262536
[12:48] <mpt> BUGabundo, wgrant: Allowing a tree of duplicates allows a Chinese-whispers-type situation
[12:49] <BUGabundo> ah???
[12:49] <BUGabundo> bug 78596
[12:49] <wgrant> mpt: Is that why automated dupe-moving hasn't been implemented?
[12:49] <mpt> BUGabundo, where A is a duplicate of B, and B is sort of a duplicate of C, and C is pretty much a duplicate of D, but fixing D wouldn't fix A at all
[12:50] <mpt> wgrant, no, I don't think that's the reason
[12:50] <wgrant> mpt: Surely the same applies, though?
[12:50] <mpt> hm, maybe
[12:51] <wgrant> It's just the same, except more destructive.
[12:51] <mpt> With dupe-moving you could show "and these ones will be marked as a duplicate too"
[12:51] <wgrant> So it's even harder to work out what's what.
[12:51] <BUGabundo> the current situation is nice
[12:52] <BUGabundo> we just need an option asking if we want to move the dupe to MASTER
[12:52] <BUGabundo> or let it be a sub dup (nested)
[12:52] <BUGabundo> IF LP as this model view, of course
[12:52] <wgrant> Having both is crazy, I think
[12:52] <BUGabundo> which looking at current state, it handle it
[12:52] <BUGabundo> as I said, on some cases nested bugs are fne
[12:53] <BUGabundo> *fine
[12:53] <BUGabundo> not all of course... some times its just a question of moving the dupes to master
[12:53] <BUGabundo> so that's the bug above I posted
[12:59]  * wgrant just marked a bug as a dupe of bug #432423423
[13:00] <BUGabundo> lol
[13:00]  * wgrant files that bug too.
[13:01] <mpt> Huh, I can now mark a bug as a duplicate that already has duplicates
[13:02] <mpt> That used to be prevented, in the database
[13:03] <wgrant> mpt: That's what we were just discussing.
[13:03] <wgrant> mpt: It's also the cause of your supertraceback.
[13:03] <mpt> well, it could be, but not necessarily
[13:03] <mpt> It would be sufficient but not necessary
[13:04] <wgrant> It is. That's an infinite loop trying to work out the subscribers of an infinitely recursive dupe set.
[13:04] <wgrant> Ah.
[13:04]  * BUGabundo offers a cup of coffee to mpt
[13:04]  * mpt converts it to hot chocolate and thanks BUGabundo
[13:05] <BUGabundo> sugar?
[13:05] <BUGabundo> mpt see my bug links!
[13:05] <mpt> Two, please.
[13:05] <mpt> You could have a "no cycles" rule without having a "no-chains" rule
[13:05] <BUGabundo> should make sense now that you know what I was talking about
[13:05] <wgrant> mpt: True.
[13:05] <mpt> I was under the apparently wrong impression that we had both, just to be on the paranoid side.
[13:05] <wgrant> Well, there is already a no cycles rule. It'll crash.
[13:05] <BUGabundo>  bug 347246
[13:05] <mpt> haha
[13:06] <BUGabundo> bug 347246 and its dupes , now that it is duped of 340222
[13:06] <BUGabundo> ohhh it got fixed!!!
[13:07] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Fix it back!
[13:07] <BUGabundo> ah
[13:07] <BUGabundo> now I can't demostrate it anymore
[13:07] <BUGabundo> lol
[13:10] <BUGabundo> lunch
[13:58] <noodles775> wgrant: hey, you mentioned above that you marked a bug as a dup of 432423423?
[13:59] <noodles775> I can't reproduce that (get the standard '432423423 is not a valid bug number or nick')
[13:59] <noodles775> When you get a chance, let me know the steps-to-reproduce...
[14:00] <BUGabundo> back
[14:00] <BUGabundo> did I miss anything on the nested bugs?
[14:01] <noodles775> BUGabundo: Nope, not here... I've added a comment on the bug though...
[14:01] <BUGabundo> okay
[14:02] <BUGabundo> let me process lunch's bug mail
[14:34] <stas``> hi, me back, with the same openid questions
[14:34] <stas``> as I can see launchpad openid offers teams informations through it's api
[14:35] <stas``> what are the request fileds I have to send
[14:35] <stas``> to get the teams informations?
[14:39] <BUGabundo> ok new bug with dupe ajax
[14:40] <BUGabundo> wgrant: around?
[14:40] <BUGabundo> when apport files the bug, the user gets lots of bubles on the top page... pulling the rest of the bug header down
[14:40] <BUGabundo> but the ajax for dups stays on the top block, and can get hidden
[14:41] <BUGabundo> should I file a bug for this?
[14:45] <noodles775> BUGabundo: it's here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/347212
[14:46] <BUGabundo> nice
[14:47] <BUGabundo> some one beat me to it! eheh
[14:50] <BUGabundo> hey flacoste welcome
[14:56] <mpt> sorry, BUGabundo :-)
[14:57] <mpt> actually, your problem might be a bit different
[14:57] <mpt> Yours is about vertical placement, whereas mine is about horizontal
[14:58] <noodles775> mpt: it's the same though... it calculates to place itself in the centre of the screen,
[14:59] <noodles775> But as you noted, it does so only when the page loads...
[14:59] <noodles775> So I'm modifying it to re-calculate whenever it shows...
[15:00] <mpt> noodles775, why would that be affected by multiple attachment notifications?
[15:00] <mpt> Is it being vertically placed with respect to the actual "Mark as duplicate" link, or something like that?
[15:01] <noodles775> mpt: no shouldn't be... it just asks the yahoo library to place it in the centre of the screen.
[15:04] <mpt> oh, awesome, I found a bug in YUI? :-)
[15:04] <noodles775> mpt: perhaps... I'll let you know when I repro it here...
[15:58] <geser> cprov, bigjools: any idea why the upload of bittorrent debs failed? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24246611/upload_916219_log.txt
[15:58] <bigjools> geser: known bug, it's being fixed by cprov
[15:58] <geser> I see the build marked as "upload failed" but the packages are also published
[15:58] <geser> ok, thx
[15:59] <bigjools> the new buildd manager has a problem unfortunately
[16:00] <bigjools> geser: it's https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/347194 if you want to track it
[16:13] <lamalex> Is there a way to block a user from filing bugs on your bug tracker? We've got a user trolling us in irc and filing the same bug report, asking questions, etc.
[16:14] <intellectronica> lamalex: if the user is genuinely creating trouble we'll ban them from LP
[16:15] <intellectronica> lamalex: b.t.w did you figure the problem with your rejected bugmail eventually?
[16:15] <lamalex> intellectronica: not yet, I've been a little bit busy and haven't had time to mess with it
[16:15] <intellectronica> lamalex: likewise
[16:16] <lamalex> hmm.. I'm not sure he's bad enough for a full LP ban.. it's a shame you don't do per-project bans
[16:17] <lamalex> He's pissing /us/ off quite a bit
[16:18] <intellectronica> lamalex: well, if the user is behaving in an unacceptable way on one project and you can't resolve that by talking to her, you'd be doing other projects a favour
[16:25] <kiko> lamalex, who is it? I can intervene if you think it's necessary
[16:27] <lamalex> is it possible for you guys to easily review someones activity on LP and decide if I'm just very easily annoyed, or if he's legitimately a problem?
[16:29] <kiko> lamalex, yes, just give me URLs and I'll be able to say so
[16:32] <lamalex> ah, i meant automagically
[16:32] <lamalex> I'll have to dig around for his bug reports and stuff
[16:33] <lamalex> which I can't do at this moment. I'll collect my materials and bring you guys stuff some time later this week
[18:09] <stas``> any launchpad drupal developer here?
[18:29] <kwah> hi all
[18:30] <kwah> is there somewhere an information about bug trackers, which can use LP as an upstream bug tracker?
[18:45] <flacoste> stas``: hi, what are you looking for?
[18:46] <stas``> flacoste, hi,
[18:46] <stas``> I'm trying to authentificate an application
[18:46] <stas``> using lp's openid
[18:46] <stas``> and I found that it is not possible to use it as an account details provider
[18:46] <flacoste> kwah: do you mean two-way syncing, or mirroring in LP from the upstream tracker?
[18:46] <stas``> until I get registered my host
[18:47] <stas``> but I found the drupal's openid-teams
[18:47] <stas``> module
[18:47] <flacoste> stas``: right, you need to file a question on Launchpad requesting we send account details to your host
[18:47] <stas``> and I wonder how do they extract information from lp without being host verified
[18:47] <flacoste> stas``: they are
[18:47] <stas``> flacoste, I already asked a question of that kind
[18:48] <stas``> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/65030
[18:48] <stas``> is there any api I can use for both, authentification and account details deliveries
[18:48] <stas``> I know about python implementation, but nothing in php
[18:49] <flacoste> stas``: openid takes care of both
[18:50] <flacoste> no?
[18:50] <flacoste> stas``: what info do you need? displayname? email address?
[18:50] <stas``> flacoste, according to specifications
[18:50] <stas``> it wont deliver informations like membership or team informations
[18:51] <flacoste> we don't deliver that
[18:51] <flacoste> you can ask for membership in a team
[18:51] <flacoste> but not the list of team the user is a member of
[18:51] <kwah> flacoste, I mean be able to use bug-watch kind of functionality
[18:52] <kwah> and usage of LP as an upstream bug-tracker
[18:53] <stas``> flacoste, how then the drupal openid-teams gets information about logged in user teams
[18:54] <flacoste> kwah: i don't know if we have a list somewhere, but I know we support Trac, bugzilla, debin
[18:54] <flacoste> debian
[18:55] <flacoste> kwah: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/RemoteTrackerCoverage
[19:02] <ronny> gmb: sup?
[19:04] <fta> i don't know how the ppa size is computed but i keep hitting a limit: "Rejected: PPA exceeded its size limit (5981.00 of 5120.00 MiB)"
[19:04] <stas``> flacoste, any chance to get sone a launchpad library implementation in php?
[19:05] <flacoste> stas``: it's not in our plans, but it is available through HTTP
[19:05] <flacoste> stas``: https://help.launchpad.net/API/Hacking
[19:06] <fta> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/62386  anyone?
[19:23] <flacoste> fta: did you see herb latest reply?
[19:28] <kwah> flacoste, hm, as I understood the page above mentions exactly the opposite to what I am looking for
[19:29] <flacoste> kwah: what are you looking for?
[19:29] <kwah> the idea is to have a bug-tracker in which we may track bugs in launchpad
[19:30] <fta> flacoste, just added an answer
[19:30] <kwah> so, LP is the upstream in case we are no think of
[19:30] <kwah> *now think of
[19:33] <flacoste> kwah: in that scenario only bugzilla and trac are supported
[19:33] <flacoste> kwah: that's two-way syncing
[19:34] <kwah> flacoste, "Plugin for two-way comms" ?
[19:34] <flacoste> yes
[19:34] <kwah> thanks
[19:35] <LarstiQ> kwah: how about bts-link?
[19:35] <kwah> LarstiQ, sorry, have no clue what is that
[19:36] <LarstiQ> kwah: hmm, I thought it worked with more than just debbugs, but: http://bts-link.alioth.debian.org/
[19:40] <kwah> thanks, but it like is indeed just for debbugs
[19:41] <kwah> so, the biggest hope now is open sourced LP ?
[19:42] <flacoste> biggest hope for?
[19:42] <kwah> the thing is, that for very limited functionality like only track the status of the bug in LP but locally it also will be kinda overkill
[19:43] <kwah> may be I do not explain correctly...
[19:43] <kwah> we have an idea to run a bug-tracker system for local developers
[19:43] <kwah> in native language
[19:43] <kwah> to involve more people
[19:44] <kwah> and want to submit confirmed bugs to upstream bug-trackers
[19:44] <kwah> for ubuntu it means LP
[19:45] <kwah> and of course, want some bug-watch functionality in the local bug-tracking system
[19:45] <LarstiQ> kwah: so the bugs in your system will not be readable for upstream, per se?
[19:45] <kwah> yep
[19:45] <kwah> one-way
[19:45] <LarstiQ> ok, then reversing the link doesn't help much
[19:45] <kwah> only once, that were confirmed and resubmitted upstream
[19:46] <kwah> this is the whole idea
[19:46] <kwah> involve people who do not speak English
[19:47] <kwah> so bug-watch on LP submitted bugs is the only really need thing
[19:48] <kwah> alas there is really good translation engine somewhere, which should be based on AI, I presume :D
[19:48] <LarstiQ> feh AI
[19:48] <LarstiQ> kwah: I see the problem
[19:48] <LarstiQ> kwah: so do you have a bugtracking system already, or looking for options?
[19:49] <kwah> looking for options
[19:53] <kwah> LarstiQ, My guess, that what we are looking for is a kind unexplored use-case...
[19:53] <kwah> No-one has the answer so far :(
[19:54] <LarstiQ> kwah: how many resources do you have?
[19:55] <LarstiQ> kwah: writing something for, say, redmine shouldn't be too hard with the API and bts-link out there
[19:57] <kwah> LarstiQ, hm... I am only explorer, this is to technical for me. I may ask proper people to contact someone for further discussion...
[19:57] <LarstiQ> kwah: sure
[19:58] <CameronShorter_> Hi, I'm despot of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugis and am attempting to move UbuntuGIS from an Open to a Closed project, and in the process, I want to remove members who are not actively involved (and suggest they move to our external email list). But I can't work out how to remove imembers.
[19:58] <kwah> But I heard that they were having an idea about Mantis and possible improvement of the last...
[19:59] <maxb> CameronShorter_: What if you go to the "Show all members" link on your team page?
[19:59] <kwah> and at the page mentioned above mantis has some work scheduled
[19:59] <maxb> And edit the member's membership (little pencil on a yellow disc)
[20:05] <kwah> LarstiQ, anyway, may someone ping you on this channel or it is better to contact by other means?
[20:06] <LarstiQ> kwah: I'm just a user, not a lp person. I'm fine with discussing it though (and indeed prefer irc in channel)
[20:11] <thumper> morning
[20:12] <kwah> LarstiQ, ok, thanks
[20:15] <CameronShorter_> maxb, "Show all members" doesn't seem to have any "remove" option.
[20:15] <maxb> What about "Edit", then "Deactivate" ?
[20:15] <CameronShorter_> I'll check ...
[20:16] <maxb> I'm not actually an admin of any teams that contain anyone other than me, so I'm guessing based on what launchpad offers I can do to my own membership :-)
[20:18] <CameronShorter_> maxb, thanks, that seems to work. (I didnt' notice the yellow pen before).
[20:19] <maxb> Many people don't :-)
[21:40] <fta> flacoste, what is the status of https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/62386 now? can I resend what has been rejected?
[21:41] <flacoste> fta: did you delete the problematic packages?
[21:42] <flacoste> fta: if yes, i suppose that you can upload again
[21:42] <fta> there's no problematic package, it's expected
[21:42] <flacoste> fta: right, sorry, i misread your reply
[21:47] <flacoste> fta: ok,you should now have 10G
[21:48] <flacoste> fta: but at 400M the dbg package, that will eat up fast
[21:48] <flacoste> fta: so make sure to obsolete older ones fast also
[21:49] <fta> 400M ??
[21:49] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 105909114 2009-03-23 15:42 /var/cache/apt/archives/chromium-browser-dbg_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090322r12268-0ubuntu1~ucd2_amd64.deb
[21:49] <fta> that's 105M
[21:50] <fta> oh, -testsuite
[21:50] <fta> hmm
[21:50] <fta> there are a lot of binaries in there
[21:51] <fta> "obsolete older ones fast"? what do you mean?
[22:18] <fuks> yo
[22:18] <fuks> is possible to host debian repo on launchpad ?
[22:18] <fuks> like ubuntu repo i host now
[22:19] <fuks> because i dont know any site to host own debian repo :(
[22:20] <maxb> fuks: No, it isn't.
[22:21] <maxb> (Any webserver can *host* a Debian repo, though. The tricky bit is building the packages across multiple architectures)


[00:02] <Muscovy> Oh cool. I'm busy for a few weeks, I turn around, and the dialect system is in place. :D
[00:04] <Muscovy> I'll put it to the daily, since it's runny fine.


[14:00] <cwillu_at_work> on a typical ubuntu system, how early is lo up? can I assume that a job triggered by local-filesystems will always see lo up?
[14:05] <cwillu_at_work> alternatively, will "start on filesystem and net-device-up IFACE=lo" work regardless of the order the two things happen in?  (and is that true in general, or are either of those special in some way?)
[21:30] <ajweiss> http://pastebin.com/GQNa6Fcj
[21:31] <ajweiss> if i start that, then try to stop it... the stop hangs and init goes into a funny state where it hangs on every start/stop request until i kill pid 1
[21:32] <ajweiss> this happens with amazon's default ami on ec2
[21:32] <ajweiss> anyone have any ideas?


[21:30] <zorrodacat> hello
[21:30] <zorrodacat> when 18 is out ?
[21:30] <zorrodacat> was it supposed to be today ?
[21:31] <zorrodacat> someone told me they found a bug this morning\
[21:32] <zorrodacat> hope they solve it..
[21:32] <SlidingHorn> zorrodacat: should be relatively soon as far as I can tell
[21:32] <zorrodacat> good
[21:32] <zorrodacat> :)
[21:32] <SlidingHorn> the bug was in the mainline Ubuntu, I believe
[21:32] <SlidingHorn> (hence, all)
[21:32] <zorrodacat> im running deb 9 stretch but i cant upload i915 firmware into my intel gpu. kernel 4.15 would solve it all
[21:33] <zorrodacat> and especially since im into video, i need all that crap :(
[21:33] <zorrodacat> what are using ubuntu studio for ?
[21:33] <SlidingHorn> zorrodacat: I'll let you know as soon as I see it
[21:33] <zorrodacat> thanks
[21:34] <zorrodacat> i mean i can upload some of the firmware but not the HuC
[21:35] <zorrodacat> maybe i should go back to arch or manjaro
[21:35] <zorrodacat> i dunno
[21:35] <zorrodacat> im all hype about this ubuntu release
[21:35] <zorrodacat> i guess it will be a solid building block for linux on the desktop
[21:36] <zorrodacat> is xfce ubuntu studio default ?
[21:36] <zorrodacat> i like xfce
[21:36] <SlidingHorn> zorrodacat: yes, but there's talk of changing that in 18.10 - nothing in stone yet
[21:37] <zorrodacat> i think xfce is good for multimedia because it doesnt eat much of your gpu
[21:37] <zorrodacat> for me it has been the default wm since im using lightworks on linux
[21:38] <zorrodacat> those people should think about that
[21:39] <SlidingHorn> zorrodacat: any of the other considerations are also lightweight
[21:40] <zorrodacat> no ? who gives a fuck about floating windows anyway.. its all about what you are doing with the computer , for me code (python, C, C++, bash), lightworks, 3d (opengl / webgl for my special fx...)
[21:40] <SlidingHorn> language, please...
[21:40] <zorrodacat> as long as it is lightweight man
[21:40] <zorrodacat> sorry
[21:42] <zorrodacat> i get very good 3d from my intel hd 620
[21:42] <zorrodacat> i mean for my needs
[21:42] <zorrodacat> a gamer would be unhappy i guess
[21:43] <zorrodacat> intel drivers are the best anyway. im using linux since kernel 1.2.13
[21:43] <zorrodacat> back in 95 or 96


[01:03] <cjohnston> Ronnie: bug 728766 is fix released with 0.3.1
[01:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 728766 in loco-directory "Crash when running lpupdate (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728766
[01:03] <cjohnston> sorry.. 0.3.2
[01:19] <cjohnston> Ronnie: I don't think that we should change the way that agenda owners are done.. its too easy for them to login once... and when/if we integrate with mootbot, i only see that causing problems
[01:32] <JanC> if anybody is interested, just saw this pass by in another channel: http://ourfriendsinjapan.com/
[01:46] <mhall119> Ronnie: I like who you managed to not have any code changes come out of that discussion ;)
[01:47] <mhall119> I don't think we should change the agenda stuff, but I can be presuaded that lp update should pull in _all_ loco member users, not just admins
[01:47] <mhall119> we'd have to see what kind of performance impact that would have on us and also on LP itself
[06:08] <YoBoY> good morning
[08:36] <head_victim> Is there a way to make an event venue be an IRC channel on loco.u.c ?
[10:15] <YoBoY> Head_victim: it's a meeting not an event
[10:15] <head_victim> YoBoY: well sort of, I'm trying to get a translation jam happening for our loco. As we are so spread out I was actually going to try and run it on IRC.
[10:19] <YoBoY> There is no solution yet for that type of IRC event
[10:20] <head_victim> Ok, would it be acceptable to create a generic "location" for the team and just provide the irc details in the description?
[10:21] <czajkowski> head_victim: thisx has been raised on a few ocassions
[10:21] <czajkowski> there is a bug there
[10:21] <czajkowski> marked as wish list
[10:21] <czajkowski> so we
[10:21] <czajkowski> get more dev folks on board to help or we wait until they get some free time
[10:22] <YoBoY> You are free to choose the right solution for you and your team
[10:22] <head_victim> Yep, that's fair enough. I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't go and do something that isn't the best way.
[10:22] <czajkowski> offline for the rest of the day
[10:22] <head_victim> I might just find the geographical centre of the country and use that for the IRC location
[11:56] <effie_jayx> good morning
[13:09] <mhall119> head_victim: that would work, or find an actual venue that some of you can meet at, and let the rest participate remotely
[13:09] <mhall119> that's what cjohnston and I are doing for our jam
[13:11] <head_victim> mhall119: I was thinking of that but then I was worried it would seem exclusive of those not able to attend.
[13:11] <head_victim> But yeah, might for the next one if I get enough interest for this one
[21:56] <AlanBell> hi all
[21:57] <AlanBell> bit of news this evening, I have been declared the new point of contact for Ubuntu-UK LoCo
[21:57] <jledbetter> Howdy
[21:57] <jledbetter> AlanBell, Congratulations:)
[22:01] <YoBoY> congrats AlanBell
[22:01] <moylan> congrats


[15:29] <flocculant> 16.04 point release week if anyone has 15 minutes to spare
[18:15] <ochosi> flocculant: what's to do?
[21:14] <flocculant> ochosi: pretty much all we need do is check we install, any bugs in apps we should be aware of anyway
[21:14] <flocculant> done 1 set for 64 bit - as is normal 32 bit looks unloved :p
[21:15] <flocculant> but I only shouted this evening anyway


[03:25] <user|22> hello, im trying to install but keep hanging on "other sowfware"
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:01] <nicoz-> Hi BluesKaj
[14:04] <krzysztof_pl> hi
[14:04] <BluesKaj> hi nicoz-
[14:05] <nicoz-> are you testing the new version Jammy?
[14:05] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:06] <nicoz-> me too .. only found a bug with terminator so far
[14:07] <user|13> Hi, some months ago I started to use linux, at first I had some problems but at end I could resolve most of them. But some weeks ago I started with new ones that I can't resolve.
[14:07] <user|13> It seems like my PC doesn't save some configurations, my biggest problem is with the plasmoids and the wallpaper, when I turn on my PC it starts without the wallpaper and the plasmoids. I also have problems with the audio, I put a predeterminated device, but after turn on the PC it changes.
[14:07] <user|13> How can I resolve it? For the problem with the wallpaper and the plamoids I tried to use PlasmaConfigSaver, but it keeps charging and never puts the customization on the PC.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> nicoz-, terminator is a gnome app
[14:08] <nicoz-> yes
[14:08] <nicoz-> it conflicts on kubuntu, on xubuntu it runs fine
[14:09] <BluesKaj> xubuntu is gnome based I think
[14:09] <nicoz-> maybe it is better to move to devel channels..
 NBO2
 NB02
 1D9E
 1D6E
 1d9e
 1d6e
 EOD5 (re @join_captcha_bot: )
 EQD5
[14:12] <BluesKaj> @eliharriet, pleas stop
 Sorry, I war tying to do the captcha, but I cannot see well the letters
[14:14] <BluesKaj> what captcha?
 The one that appears when I entry on this Telegram group
[14:15] <BluesKaj> you're typing in the wrong space then
[14:15] <nicoz-> but you are already in the channel
[14:16] <nicoz-> you are speaking through a bridge connected to telegram
 ._.
 Oh, sorry
[14:16] <nicoz-> ehehhehe :)
[14:16] <nicoz-> don't worry
[14:16] <RikMills> There is a join captcha bot in the TG channel. When you join, you have 5 mins to complete the captcha before it boots you out ;)
[14:17] <RikMills> plus until you do, what you can post is restricted
 The capcha appeared here so I typed here, it was a bit confusing, specially because the letters were strange on the images
[14:19] <RikMills> you do need to put the code in the channel. TG bots can't generate a separate input field AFAIK
[14:20] <RikMills> annoying it comes through to IRC, but less of evils
[14:20] <RikMills> *lesser
 Ah, ok, thanks for explain
 At first I entered by the web and asked something, but I moved to Telegram because I was with an anonimous name
 I asked about it (re @IrcsomeBot: <user|13> Hi, some months ago I started to use linux, at first I had some problems but at end I could resolve most of them. But some weeks ago I started with new ones that I can't resolve.)
 Do someone know how to solve it?
[14:26] <Maik> BluesKaj: he's not typing in the wrong space, remember Telegram is bridged to IRC so we see everything from there
 Sorry, but, if I reply some msj in Telegram do you see it?
 Or you need that I write my problem again?
 Because I don't want to bother sending a text that I already sent before
[14:33] <Maik> @eliharriet if it is Kubuntu related just ask away
[14:33] <BluesKaj> hi Maik, too bad these telelgrammers don't just use an irc client then :-)
[14:34] <Maik> hi BluesKaj i guess we have to learn to live with that
 My problem:
 It seems like my PC doesn't save some configurations, my biggest problem is with the plasmoids and the wallpaper, when I turn on my PC it starts without the wallpaper and the plasmoids.
 How can I resolve it? I tried to use PlasmaConfigSaver, but it keeps charging and never puts the customization on the PC.
[16:54] <delta__> bruh moment
[20:44] <valorie> @eliharriet that sounds like a permission problem
[20:45] <valorie> if sudo has ever been used when it should not have been, permissions can get changed in your $HOME
[20:45] <valorie> !permissions
[22:31] <mehrunaskrnzhad> hello?
[22:37] <CoJaBo> ?


[01:21] <cjwatson> ogra-cb_: Eh, damn, you must have deployed debian-cd changes without the corresponding cdimage changes.
[01:21] <cjwatson> ogra-cb_: I was going to do those in a carefully coordinated way this evening when I got back from watching a film ...
[01:22] <cjwatson> ogra-cb_: I've just gone ahead and deployed it now - I was going to test it, but I probably can't make it much worse now.
[01:24] <cjwatson> I guess I can try your manual invocation.
[01:33] <infinity> bdmurray: Of course it will, yes.
[01:37] <cjwatson> ogra-cb_: That seems to have more or less worked now.
[10:59] <ogra_> cjwatson, oh, sorry, i didnt mean to get into your way
[11:02] <cjwatson> Ah well, it seems to have worked out now
[11:03] <cjwatson> And precise image building shouldn't die on locks any more, so that should help psivaa
[11:03] <ogra_> the images i got lookg good at least (despite having completely untested content :) )
[11:03] <cjwatson> (Also it means we don't have the bogus .1 suffix any more - the datestamps are now namespaced per-series as well
[11:03] <cjwatson> )
[11:03] <psivaa> cjwatson: that would indeed :)
[11:03] <ogra_> oh, sweet
[11:05] <ogra_> so now to my always reoccuring embarrassment of messing up /etc/default-arches
[11:07] <ogra_> hmm, its intresting that the gzipping debian-cd does actually saves 100M for the filesystem image
[11:08] <ogra_> the original .ext4 file is 100M bigger ... and only contains a tarball
[11:10] <ogra_> (well, a tar.gz, so it is already compressed)
[12:08] <psivaa> Raring server installs fail today: Just reported bug 1081567
[12:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1081567 in partman-base (Ubuntu) "Server installations fail with 'partman: No matching physical volumes errorfound' " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1081567
[12:09] <cjwatson> Thanks
[12:10] <cjwatson> Though the first line of the last screen of the syslog doesn't happen to be the real error :)
[12:15] <psivaa> cjwatson: ok thanks, will keep that in mind :)
[12:15] <cjwatson> Not that it's especially easy to spot the real error here; I think debootstrap is failing very early but it's not really saying why
[12:16] <cjwatson> I've given the bug a fairly generic title for now until such time as I've debugged it
[12:21] <psivaa> cjwatson: ack
[13:04]  * cjwatson rebuilds the Ubuntu desktop amd64/i386 images that failed this morning
[14:54] <fly-away> hi there
[14:55] <GridCube> hi
[14:57] <fly-away> why nvidia-tegra-codecs-ventana could leave https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue yet?
[14:57] <fly-away> could't
[14:57] <fly-away> *
[14:59] <cjwatson> If it's still in the queue then it simply hasn't been reviewed yet.
[14:59] <cjwatson> (No, I'm not going to do it, neck-deep in debugging GRUB at the moment)
[17:41] <bdrung> can someone let the gnustep-base packages in?
[23:09] <cjwatson> debian-installer, livecd-rootfs, and ubiquity (on its way) in precise-proposed should be the last of the secure boot uploads, all being well
[23:10] <cjwatson> ubiquity has a number of other fixes which we've been accumulating in our to-be-SRUed queue for a while
[23:16] <infinity> cjwatson: I'll have a poke in a bit, or start on it anyway.  I'll trade you for precise/initramfs-tools, which is also a fix for lts-quantal kernels.
[23:17] <infinity> (Not wildly urgent, that fix, unless you're in the minority who likes to type in initrds without BIOS support for your keyboard, but...)
[23:22] <cjwatson> xnox: Could you fill in some SRU detail (test case, in particular) on bug 1046241, please?
[23:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1046241 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "gtk ubiquity reminds an accordion when installing lvm in "long" locales" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046241
[23:23] <cjwatson> infinity: Easy trae.
[23:23] <cjwatson> *trade, even
[23:24] <cjwatson> infinity: Did you ever figure out if bug 1066376 could be closed for real?
[23:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1066376 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu Precise) "keyboard doesn't work to enter password with panda and encrypted partitions" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066376
[23:25] <cjwatson> IIRC there was some doubt about whether the initramfs was really up to date.
[23:27] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, no, it was two bugs.  I still need to hunt and find the other half, but that's Panda-specific, and not a concern for the SRU.
[23:28] <infinity> cjwatson: (It seems that the module list on Pandas is indeed coming out a lot smaller, and I haven't looked at why yet)
[23:28] <cjwatson> OK
[23:28] <cjwatson> Nice catch on that mlocate thing, BTW
[23:29] <infinity> cjwatson: updatedb killed a glibc testsuite here today, which made me think about it. :P
[23:29] <cjwatson> Hah.  How did it manage that?
[23:29] <cjwatson> atime or something?
[23:30] <infinity> Nah, just load.  A few of the glibc tests do a really good job of attempting to kill the machine, having another process doing the same ends in doom.
[23:37] <infinity> top - 16:37:40 up 9 days, 19:59,  9 users,  load average: 10142.96, 3237.69, 1246.60
[23:37] <infinity> cjwatson: ^-- An example of glibc's love for my laptop.
[23:38] <infinity> Turns out it gets twitchy if anything else wants some CPU time at around that point.
[23:39] <cjwatson> !
[23:39] <cjwatson> I don't believe I've ever seen much beyond 1500 before.


[12:52] <cmaloney> morning
[14:20] <_stink_> yo
[14:24] <cmaloney> Reminder: meeting tonight
[16:36] <jrwren> rick_h_: bears?!?!
[16:56] <jrwren> i'm going to prentend that rick_h_ is a huge lions fan and travelled just to see the lions game.
[17:06] <cmaloney> hah, right
[17:06] <cmaloney> I know better


[00:29] <andrew9> How can I boot to init 3 or single user from grub? I get a black screen after installing drivers. I cannot login to root prompt shell as I didn't change the password.
[00:37] <andrew9> Add "single" into boot line


[01:28] <happyjack> Got a question for the devs out there.
[01:29] <happyjack> What is a good amount of money to give to support a project? Realistically? If my company uses xfce / xubuntu should I pay per seat? Should I bounty source things I want?
[01:30] <happyjack> How much does xfce need financially to continue development for forever?
[01:44] <pjotter> Thanks for the help Unit193
[11:44] <jphilipz> bluesabre, ochosi: is this something that creeped into xfce panel. https://twitter.com/gusbatero1/status/1301583264281440256


[09:07] <bioterror> ahh
[09:07] <bioterror> I hadd problems with apport
[09:07] <bioterror> :D
[09:08] <bioterror> gotta love 11.04 AMD64
[09:08] <JoeMaverickSett> lol
[09:09] <bioterror> yeah
[09:10] <Mohan_chml> lol
[09:10] <bioterror> Im getting the new sudo now
[09:10] <bioterror> I made a fix for it: sudo passwd root
[09:10] <bioterror> :D
[09:13] <bioterror> njaeh, works
[09:13] <bioterror> I kept the original as it's suggested
[09:51] <bioterror> I hate when the openjdk is tied with the lubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <Kurdistan> bioterror remove :) it then
[09:53] <bioterror> I did
[09:53] <Kurdistan> :) and what is the problem?
[09:54] <bioterror> these are small things :)
[09:54] <bioterror> great, my java is working on 11.04 now
[09:54] <Kurdistan> bioterror whe have bigger problems in lubuntu that needs to be fixed
[09:55] <Kurdistan> I have tested both xarchiver and fileroller with same diffucaltis gilir comments
[09:55] <Kurdistan> eject can not be done
[09:55] <bioterror> hmm
[09:55] <bioterror> I had problems with .iso files, but it was solved with 7zip :D
[09:55] <Kurdistan> nautilis is in some areas more polish and complete
[09:56] <bioterror> suprise :D
[09:56] <bioterror> ahhh, shitrix java is now working <3
[09:56] <Kurdistan> but pcman have it great fetuares and some of them have I always used in ubuntu/gnome also
[09:57] <Kurdistan> like opening maps with root priv.
[09:57] <bioterror> I hate in lubuntu that when using chrome I cannot open anything :D
[09:57] <bioterror> it just downloads stuff again
[09:57] <bioterror> or chromium
[09:58] <bioterror> if I click that thingie
[09:58] <Kurdistan> bioterror I think firefox is more stable then chrome/chromium
[10:03] <hyperair> they're both stable. they just consume craploads of ram.
[10:04] <bioterror> but you get more ram from store?
[10:35] <Kurdistan> hyperair, flash is always crashing in chrome/chromium I need to load it to work.
[10:35] <Kurdistan> I feel firefox is more polish then chrome
[10:35] <Kurdistan> but chrome is lighter and faster
[10:36] <bioterror> flash works without a problem
[10:36] <Kurdistan> before I only used opera and they are now having new stable realse maybe support veetle
[10:36] <bioterror> java does too when you drop that OpenJDK/Icedtea off from your system and decide to use sun-java6-* from partner repo
[10:36] <Kurdistan> thats important for me. streaming soccer. :)
[10:36] <bioterror> o yeah, waiting for opera 11
[10:36] <Kurdistan> bioterror opera 11 is released
[10:37] <bioterror> last time I saw a beta
[10:37] <Kurdistan> bioterror so you mean my crashing is becuase of I removed icedtea and openjdk?
[10:37] <bioterror> well no
[10:37] <bioterror> my java crashes if I use them
[10:38] <bioterror> but works without a problem like a char if I use sun-java6-jre/bin/plugin
[10:38] <bioterror> but now I'll go eat my lunch, brb in ̃~10 mins
[10:38] <Kurdistan> http://www.opera.com/download/ <<---- look here :)
[10:38] <Kurdistan> I use sun-java6-jre
[10:38] <Kurdistan> removed openjd
[10:39] <Kurdistan> they now have extension support :P
[10:40] <Kurdistan> https://addons.opera.com/addons/extensions/
[10:41] <hyperair> Kurdistan: i use firefox because it integrates better with the desktop and doesn't stand out
[10:42] <Kurdistan> yeah and chromium look pretty ugly :)
[10:45] <Kurdistan> when I used windows I only used firefox to see stream with veetle
[10:45] <Kurdistan> other things opera
[10:45] <Kurdistan> if they support veetle, opera is more complete browser.
[10:46] <Kurdistan> it looks awesome to.
[10:47] <Kurdistan> :P
[10:50] <Kurdistan> chromium you can not work offline
[10:50] <Kurdistan> pretty bad
[11:04] <Kurdistan> damn veetle needs to update
[11:04] <Kurdistan> the newer one for windows stupids support opera
[11:04] <Kurdistan> really cool browser
[13:13] <Kurdistan> bye dear ubuntu/lubuntu-family
[13:13] <Kurdistan> need to make dinner :)
[15:22] <pip_> acpi=off will kill battery status icon & information in system profiler, yes?
[18:06] <bioterror> hi gilir
[18:06] <bioterror> my lxappearance bug isnt getting solved :/
[18:07] <bioterror> so many days, and nothing has happened
[18:08] <Kurdistan> :) lxde needs to work harder
[18:09]  * bioterror takes his indiana jones whip
[18:09] <gilir> bioterror, try to report it upstream
[18:09] <Kurdistan> gilir I have seen you active in bug-rapport
[18:09] <Kurdistan> good that lubuntu pushes lxde team to work
[18:10] <Kurdistan> lubuntus weakness is in my opinion lxde
[18:11] <bioterror> gilir, what do you  mean by upstream
[18:12] <gilir> bioterror, the bug tracker of lxde => http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=894869&group_id=180858&func=browse
[18:12] <bioterror> MY EYES
[18:12] <bioterror> that text is unreadable
[18:16] <bioterror> I'm not a sf.net user
[18:18] <bioterror> using launchpads openid
[18:19] <bioterror> argh
[18:19] <bioterror> not going to use that
[18:20] <bioterror> argh
[18:20] <bioterror> ~$ sudo service apport restart
[18:20] <bioterror> restart: Unknown instance:
[18:20] <bioterror> :----------)
[18:21] <bioterror> how can you start apport? :D
[18:21] <JoeMaverickSett> ubuntu-bug ? :P
[18:22] <JoeMaverickSett> ubuntu-bug <package> ? :D
[18:22] <bioterror> I just noticed when i upgraded my desktop that it tried to start apport
[19:04] <bioterror> great
[19:05] <bioterror> after boot pcmanfm doesnt want to start
[19:05] <bioterror> I have a pid running, but I cannot get a window
[19:05] <Kurdistan> bioterror :) use compiz haha
[19:05] <Kurdistan> :P and nautilus
[19:05] <Kurdistan> wait thats ubuntu :P
[19:07] <bioterror> (gdb) run
[19:07] <bioterror> Starting program: /usr/bin/pcmanfm
[19:07] <bioterror> [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
[19:07] <bioterror> Program exited normally.
[19:07] <bioterror> wesome :D
[19:07] <bioterror> nothing
[19:08] <bioterror> but if I killall pcmanfm, it starts
[19:09] <Kurdistan> bioterror :P no one cares. lol. joking.
[19:09] <Kurdistan> lubuntu-core rocks. :P
[19:09] <bioterror> I rather sure no one really uses 64bit natty
[19:09] <bioterror> since my 32bit version works without problems
[20:12] <keakster> hey, just installed lubuntu 10.10 from ubuntu 8.04 - I want to have my external hard drives to show up on my desktop as an icon when I plug them in?
[21:19] <bioterror> keakster, I've thought that one too myself
[21:20] <bioterror> actually you can do it easily
[21:20] <bioterror> I just got an idea how to do it :D
[21:20] <bioterror> pcmanfm /media/Drive
[21:20] <bioterror> :D
[21:20] <bioterror> oh well, "automatically" doesnt work
[21:20] <bioterror> but as I have my drives in fstab, it will work for me
[21:22] <tupper_tom> hi guys
[21:23] <tupper_tom> I ran into a small problem today with grub2 because os-prober wasn't installed
[21:23] <tupper_tom> is os-prober supposed to be installed by default?
[21:23] <bioterror> it is supposed
[21:24] <bioterror> install it, run it and update grub
[21:24] <tupper_tom> ok was just me then
[21:24] <bioterror> it should be included in 10.10.1
[21:24] <tupper_tom> yup i already have
[21:24] <tupper_tom> just thought i'd mention it in case it was an oversite on Lubuntu's part
[21:25] <bioterror> just like gvfs-backends is missing
[21:25] <tupper_tom> oh really i better look into that too ty
[21:28] <tupper_tom> thanks byebioterror g2g
[21:28] <bioterror> yeah, now you get samba shares to show up