[00:00] <genii-around> rugbeeprop: Basically you find a place to have it ( preferably with internet), tell all the people you know, try to get it listed in events areas of your local linux user group, newspapers, etc. Then hope for the best.
[00:00] <dscassel> rugbeeprop: Yeah, that's about it, really. Just find a venue and meet up with Ubuntu people. :)
[00:01] <dscassel> The only tricky part is getting the word out so people show up.  (It's best if you drag out a friend or two :)
[00:01] <rugbeeprop> sounds easy enough, I could probably try to find a place, however, what are the timing, i.e. a couple of hours, half a day or a whole day?
[00:02] <dscassel> rugbeeprop: Whatever you'd like.  Usually a few hours.
[00:02] <dscassel> Also, it doesn't *have* to be right after the release.  Vancouver usually waits a month or so.
[00:03] <genii-around> rugbeeprop: I've found here over a period of 3-4 hours that there seems to be a steady turnover of people every half-hour to hour
[00:03] <BobJonkman> dscassel: have you ever received a conference pack?  I'm thinking things like banners and tablecloths can be re-used
[00:03] <dscassel> BobJonkman: The banner and tablecloths are one-off. txwikinger has those.
[00:03] <dscassel> I haven't ordered it before.  txwikinger got one for last year's aborted Linuxfest.
[00:04] <rugbeeprop> Let me scout for location first, I could probably set something out for a saturday or something
[00:04] <genii-around> If the fee isn't incredibly horrible I can put in
[00:04] <khoover> did i miss something?
[00:05] <dscassel> rugbeeprop: Cool! If you have details, email the ubuntu-ca list.  I can do the LoCo directory listing if you're not set up to do t.
[00:05] <rugbeeprop> sounds good
[00:05] <dscassel> khoover: Just the IRC meeting. :)
[00:06] <khoover> dscassel, for what?
[00:06] <dscassel> khoover: ubuntu Canada!
[00:06] <dscassel> we do this monthly.
[00:06] <dscassel> khoover: Ever considered running a release party? :D
[00:06] <khoover> ...no?
[00:07] <dscassel> It's fun! You should! :D
[00:07] <dscassel> Where are you again?
[00:07] <genii-around> khoover: We discussed upcoming release parties, and the FSOSS Linuxfest at Seneca, where we would like to have a presence if possible ( http://fsoss.senecac.on.ca/2011/ )
[00:07] <dscassel> genii-around: re: helping with brokerage fees, thanks. :)
[00:08] <khoover> eh, markham.
[00:08] <khoover> just north of toronto
[00:08] <genii-around> dscassel: No probs.. I can put in maybe $40-60 if it helps
[00:09] <khoover> tbh, i'd probably end up heading to the seneca thing. rather close to my house.
[00:11] <khoover> dscassel, exactly how would one host a launch party?
[00:11] <genii-around> mom phoned, back shortly
[00:11] <dscassel> khoover: genii-around will be hostping a release party in Toronto next Thursday if you'd just like to attend. :)
[00:11] <khoover> that sounds much nicer.
[00:13] <khoover> where in toronto exactly?
[00:14] <dscassel> khoover: But more parties are also good.  basically find a venue and get the word out.  A party doesn't have to be anything more than a bunch of people at a restaurant/pub/cafe
[00:17] <BobJonkman> khoover: Ubuntu-ca events list (including venues) at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ca
[00:17] <genii-around> Back
[00:17] <dscassel> If there's nothing else, I'll adjourn the meeting.
[00:17] <dscassel> But feel free to keep chatting. :D
[00:17] <genii-around> khoover: I'll get you details in a minute ....
[00:17] <BobJonkman> Gotta start dinner.
[00:17] <genii-around> Microwave! ;)
[00:17] <bregma> has anyone heard what the next Ubuntu release will be called?
[00:18]  * BobJonkman thinks genii-around must be a bot
[00:18] <genii-around> khoover: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/1262/detail/   is the details
[00:18] <bregma> hey mister moto I'm a coffee bot
[00:18] <BobJonkman> bregma: Permanent Penguin :)
[00:18] <genii-around> Pangalactic Penguin!
[00:18] <bregma> not Phthisic Ptarmigan like I suggested?
[00:18] <genii-around> I just hope it's a penguin and not a panda
[00:19] <genii-around> BobJonkman: I quite often feel as if I'm on autopilot, it's true....
[00:20] <genii-around> khoover: My gf is making Ubuntu cupcakes, and there will of course be free coffee and Oneiric CDs, as well as previous Official Natty CDs, courtesy of dscassel
[00:20] <khoover> so, having never gone through a new version of ubuntu, how does that work?
[00:21] <khoover> genii-around, ooooh, cupcakes.
[00:21] <dscassel> khoover: You'll get an update saying there's a new version. Just click the Upgrade button and wait a bit. :D
[00:22] <bregma> ... on dialup the wait can be irksome...
[00:22] <genii-around> khoover: Every 6 months there is a new release. So the idea of a release party is to have some fun, help people try out the new release if they bring their laptop/computer to install onto, etc.
[00:22] <genii-around> Also of course to try and get more people using linux generally :)
[00:23] <khoover> genii-around, aaaaaaah.
[00:24] <genii-around> bregma: You're on dialup?
[00:28] <dscassel> bregma: I can ship you a CD.
[00:28] <dscassel> I don't usually do CD updates, so I don't know how well that works.
[00:29] <dscassel> You'll still need an Internet connection for packages you've installed that are not on the CD
[00:32] <bregma> dscassel, I'm not on dialup any more, and I get bulk CDs at UDS in a few weeks
[00:35] <dscassel> bregma: Even better. :)
[00:41] <khoover> my beard has dreadlocks!
[00:48] <dscassel> khoover: Intentionally? :)
[01:29] <khoover> dscassel, somewhat, they just naturally clumped for the most part.
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:54] <bregma> ... ah, another day begins
[16:44] <kenjy> whats up guys, did some one call me?
[16:55] <bregma> kenjy, about 18 hours ago, for a Ubuntu Canada meeting
[16:56] <kenjy> bregma: haaaaaaaa Im always late dude, but tnks
[17:10] <kenjy> who wanna buy yahoo?
[18:37] <BluesKaj> why kenjy ? thay should give it away...bet there wouldn't be many takers
[18:38] <kenjy> BluesKaj: totally agree
[19:13] <DarwinSurvivor> I'd take their hardware. could always do with an upgrade :D
[19:14] <khoover> DarwinSurvivor, you call it an upgrade?
[20:09] <DarwinSurvivor> khoover: over the old server *I* have, I should hope so :P
[23:47] <khoover> steve jobs is dead?!


[04:03] <tsimonq2> Would anyone (cjwatson?) happen to know how lp:ubuntu-sponsoring is deployed?
[04:03] <tsimonq2> I'd like to convert it to Git.
[06:06] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Haven't the foggiest
[06:08] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Do you know where I can find who knows? :P
[06:10] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Nope
[06:11] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Mkay, thanks anyway.
[06:11] <Unit193> Achievement unlocked: Found something cjwatson doesn't know.
[06:12] <tsimonq2> ^
[06:13] <cjwatson> Heh
[06:13] <cjwatson> I'd start by asking people who've committed to that branch
[06:14] <cjwatson> (and who are still around)
[06:16] <tsimonq2> If Laney or bdmurray don't know, I *think* I still have a way to contact dholbach, if he remembers.
[06:19] <tsimonq2> Otherwise I just about cut the sponsoring queue in half, and I plan on going further tomorrowish, but I want to eventually (but slowly, ELITTLETIME) work on refining the queue in general.
[06:31] <Mirv> smoser: wow, huge thanks for pdftk snap, and thanks to command-not-found patchers who have added snap support :D
[06:31] <wxl> whoa pdftk snap. cool.
[06:31] <Mirv> I was like "nooo, gone in bionic"
[06:31] <Mirv> but snap saved
[06:32] <Mirv> apparently it doesn't build with GCC 7
[06:32] <Mirv> but in my use case I have a note that eg pdfjoin tool breaks hyperlinks, pdftk does what I want
[08:15] <Laney> tsimonq2: Well done on your work there. It's probably a cron script on some machine. I could find out if necessary - but is it that important to switch it?
[08:18] <tsimonq2> Laney: bzr is painfully slow, even with a wrapper.
[08:18] <tsimonq2> And thanks.
[08:19] <Laney> what is painfully slow about it?
[08:19] <tsimonq2> Pushing/pulling.
[08:19] <Laney> You plan to do a lot of that on the sponsoring queue?
[08:19] <tsimonq2> I plan on working on it a bit, yeah.
[08:21] <Laney> And pushing it *that* often?
[08:21] <tsimonq2> We're talking five seconds vs 30.
[08:22] <tsimonq2> I push frequently enough to make it annoying.
[08:22] <Laney> But even at a 25 second deficit, how often are you planning to push the spnosor queue's branch?
[08:22] <Laney> It's probably pulled from trunk with each run, so you should only be pushing things you actually want to deploy ...
[08:22] <tsimonq2> I don't know if I can give you a quantitative value.
[08:23] <tsimonq2> And that's yet another advantage of Git, multiple branches.
[08:23] <Laney> I understand the differences between the two.
[08:24] <Laney> I'm challenging the benefit gained by someone having to go find out how this is deployed and update that to work with git, when the project is not active at all.
[08:25] <tsimonq2> I guess I personally see the ROI for someone taking maybe 5 minutes to reclone a repo and sed a crontab.
[08:25] <tsimonq2> It costs more overhead to continue using Bazaar than to switch it.
[10:14] <rbasak> It does make it easier for others to contribute to
[10:15] <rbasak> It's much more of a pain trying to remember how to do things with bzr at least. And then there are all the things that you can't do easily (eg. squash)
[10:15] <Unit193> But rbasak!  Brz is cool.
[10:15] <Unit193> !info brz
[10:16] <Unit193> There is one feature I like in bzr, lp-propose.  Though it is known to have unexpected results.
[10:20] <rbasak> IIRC sparkiegeek (not here) has a git replacement equivalent for LP for that?
[10:31] <Unit193> That sounds shiny.
[10:38] <cjwatson> rbasak: snap info gitlptools
[10:40] <rbasak> Thanks!
[10:40] <rbasak> Unit193: ^
[10:40] <Unit193> Is there a source for that?
[10:40] <rbasak> https://launchpad.net/gitlptools it loos like
[10:42] <Unit193> Hmm, no tags..
[10:45] <Unit193> tsimonq2: Looks like something you might want to know about, and package.
[12:17] <smoser> Mirv: thanks for sharing.  Would you upvote https://askubuntu.com/questions/1028522/how-can-i-install-pdftk-in-ubuntu-18-04-bionic ?
[12:18] <smoser> unless you honestly think that shell-script-blob (currently the top aswer) is a better way of distributing software :)
[13:07] <Mirv> smoser: upvoted the snap one, yes I think it should be on the top...
[14:56] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: What was the original question?
[17:12] <bdmurray> rbasak: Are you familiar with postgresql or is there somebody else on the server team I should ping?
[17:58] <ahasenack> bdmurray: what's up? Maybe I can help, rbasak and cpaelzer are eod
[17:59] <ahasenack> cpaelzer prepared the recent postgresql sru
[18:00] <bdmurray> ahasenack: its about postgresql and release upgrades. postgresql is in the release upgrader blacklist b/c of bug 871893 and I wonder if its still relevant.
[18:01] <bdmurray> see also bug 1787349
[18:01] <ahasenack> that's from 2011
[18:02] <ahasenack> I have no idea
[18:03] <bdmurray> Okay, I'll email ubuntu-devel
[18:03] <jbicha> slangasek: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running is outdated, I triggered those cmake/gnutls runs last night
[18:34] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: I neither hae background on this postgres thing
[18:34] <cpaelzer> this was all in the time pitti cared for it
[18:35] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: you should set him to CC on this mail
[18:35] <cpaelzer> maybe he can shed some light
[20:15] <Unit193> sbeattie: Thanks for the sponsorship.
[20:49] <sbeattie> Unit193: you're welcome, thanks for preparing the update!
[22:09] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Where's lp:ubuntu-sponsoring deployed?
[22:13] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: you mean the name of the server?
[22:14] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Right; that, and how it's deployed. I'd like to convert it to Git.
[22:15] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: I can do the conversion, I just need someone with access to button push.
[22:20] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: Its on cranberry and laney and I, and some others, have access.
[22:24] <rbasak> Are you sure it's on cranberry?
[22:25] <rbasak> Not rootstock?
[22:26] <tsimonq2> There, it's converted: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sponsoring
[22:26] <bdmurray> rbasak: yes
[22:26] <rbasak> Oh. OK
[22:27] <rbasak> bdmurray: what does it run as, OOI?
[22:27] <rbasak> Ah
[22:27] <rbasak> ubuntureports
[22:27] <rbasak> I see it. Nice to know, thanks.
[22:28] <bdmurray> rbasak: Yeah, I guess you have access too.
[22:28] <rbasak> Yes
[22:29] <rbasak> Though I won't push any buttons without others telling me that's OK :)
[22:30] <rbasak> (since my access is only incidental to other stuff)
[22:30] <tsimonq2> I guess not being a Canonical employee there's no way for me to have access, correct?
[22:30] <rbasak> Though I was left with co-adminship of ~ubuntu-sponsors at one point
[22:31] <bdmurray> I haven't looked at it in so long as it is...
[22:31] <rbasak> tsimonq2: I assume so, since it's shell access on some Canonical infrastructure.
[22:31] <rbasak> Though presumably all the actual code that's running is in the public repo
[22:32] <tsimonq2> I would even argue that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-sponsoring should be "maintained" by ~ubuntu-sponsors, not ~ubuntu-dev, because anyone from ~ubuntu-dev can join ~ubuntu-sponsors, and I'd argue that you should be sponsoring things to get commit access to the associated infra.
[22:33] <tsimonq2> bdmurray, rbasak: If you both agree, it's a flip of a switch. Otherwise I can ask for more wider feedback on e.g. ubuntu-devel.
[22:33] <tsimonq2> rbasak: Canonical infra> ack.
[22:34] <rbasak> tsimonq2: I have no objection. Though I think peer review might be a good idea (or at least the opportunity; if nobody objects after a while then we shouldn't cause policy to enforce blocking progress)
[22:35] <tsimonq2> rbasak: Peer review on the policy change or code changes in general?
[22:35] <rbasak> On code changes in general
[22:35] <tsimonq2> Sure.
[22:36] <tsimonq2> I know dholbach drove that for a while, but I've just been making commits that seem useful.
[22:36] <tsimonq2> With Git, this will become much easier to just put commits in feature branches. :)


[16:53] <mup> Bug #1980000 opened: dhcpd.conf not written due to byte size of hosts value in rpc <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1980000>
[16:59] <mup> Bug #1980000 changed: dhcpd.conf not written due to byte size of hosts value in rpc <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1980000>
[17:08] <mup> Bug #1980000 opened: dhcpd.conf not written due to byte size of hosts value in rpc <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1980000>


[06:42] <doko> sergiodj: yes, please drop the Python2 stuff again
[09:50] <santa_> rbalint: hi, I got a crash in unattended-upgrades and I think I have a patch, if you have some time I would like to discuss how to get it fixed in ubuntu
[09:51] <rbalint> santa_, hi, sure, how is it crashing?
[09:51] <santa_> rbalint: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1883082
[09:51] <santa_> just reported a min ago
[09:51] <rbalint> santa_, that's fresh  :-)
[09:51] <santa_> it always crashes with strict whitelist
[09:52] <santa_> I think I know the cause and I have a possible patch for this
[09:52] <rbalint> santa_, ok, please attach it to the bug
[09:53] <santa_> sure
[10:00] <rbalint> santa_, thanks, the fix seems simple and if you attach it i'm including it in the next upload + sru and give the credit since you found the fix first :-)
[10:01] <santa_> rbalint: ok, that was what I was going to ask - SRU for focal; what would be the version you are going to use?
[10:02] <santa_> because I'm going to build a custom package in a PPA ;)
[10:02] <santa_> would be 2.3-0ubuntu0.1 ?
[10:03] <santa_> 2.3-0ubuntu0.1 for focal SRU I mean
[10:03] <rbalint> 2.3.0ubuntu0.1 i think, since it is a native package
[10:04] <rbalint> santa_, out of curiosity why do you use strict whitelist?
[10:05] <santa_> rbalint: I'm working for a company which requested this
[10:05] <santa_> we used to have a home-made script to do this, but I'm rewrking the thing, if possible, with u-a
[10:06] <santa_> * reworking
[10:07] <santa_> rbalint: the thing needed is having just a small set of packages being upgraded automatically (firefox, openssh server, ...) and the rest manually if I'm not mistaken
[10:08] <rbalint> santa_, thanks, make sense, i'd just would like to understand how u-u is being used in the wild
[10:09] <santa_> sure np
[10:21] <Laney> juliank: on a different note ;-)
[10:21] <Laney> can you help me quickly to make https://salsa.debian.org/release-team/britney2/-/blob/master/britney2/policies/policy.py#L1032 work with xenial's python3-apt?
[10:21] <Laney> looks like that has changed signature since
[10:37] <juliank> Laney: you're backporting?
[10:37] <Laney> juliank: nope, trying to run britney on snakefruit which is xenial
[10:37] <juliank> Laney: The architecture option does not exist on xenial
[10:38] <juliank> Laney: So I'm not sure this can be run on xenial, because that does the [...] architecture filtering
[10:39] <Laney> hmm
[10:39] <juliank> you might have to implement architecture wildcards yourself and pre-mangle input
[10:39] <Laney> was hoping for a way to do it anyway :P
[10:39] <juliank> Laney: Ah
[10:39] <juliank> Laney: You can set APT::Architecture before calling it on xenail
[10:40] <juliank> Laney: But like restore it afterwards
[10:41] <juliank> native_arch = apt_pkg.config["APT::Architecture"]
[10:41] <juliank> apt_pkg.config["APT::Architecture"] = arch
[10:41] <juliank> parse_src_depends(block, False)
[10:41] <juliank> apt_pkg.config["APT::Architecture"] = native_arch
[10:42] <Laney> ah, that's nice if it works, let me try it
[10:42] <Laney> in an except:, maybe upstream will take it
[10:42] <Laney> silly ancient machines
[10:54] <Laney> neat, seems to be working
[10:54] <Laney> merci juliank
[11:33] <paride> Hi! Groovy live-server ISO images are successfully being built for all the 4 archs: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/groovy/ubuntu-server-live
[11:33] <paride> but the ppc64 image is not published here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/pending/
[11:34] <paride> It use to be up to May 28.
[11:35] <paride> any idea of what could be wrong?
[11:35] <cjwatson> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-server/groovy/daily-live-20200611.log
[11:35] <cjwatson> absurdly hard to read but I think the relevant error is:
[11:35] <cjwatson> xorriso : FAILURE : -as mkisofs: Unsupported option '--netatalk'
[11:36] <cjwatson> I think xnox was working on a xorriso upgrade at some point?
[11:37] <paride> yeah I saw his branch
[11:40] <paride> https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/debian-cd/use-xorriso/+merge/384480
[11:40] <paride> the date of the latest comments matches the last day ppc64 images were produced
[12:25] <paride> cjwatson, thanks for pointing me to the right point in the build log. fiy this is the problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1883103
[12:25] <paride> xnox, vorlon, ^^
[12:26]  * cjwatson nods
[13:46] <xnox> tah
[13:47] <xnox> cjwatson:  paride: i am in progress redoing ppc64el using cd-boot-images. I'll try to push a branch for that asap then.
[13:51] <paride> xnox, which does not use --netatalk
[13:52] <paride> so maybe it's not needed after all
[14:05] <paride> could it be a legacy thing needed to support Apple PPC hardware?
[14:19] <xnox> it is
[14:20] <xnox> the new cd-boot-images for ppc64el just has a couple of files and that's it, without any magic options
[14:20] <xnox> and i did test it locally and it does boot
[15:02] <santa_> rbalint: I've just attached a patch for a u-a SRU, the first one was cheesy so please ignore it ;)
[15:03] <santa_> I plan to use it in the next few days, let's hope it works as expected
[15:04] <Laney> xnox: oh yay for submodules
[15:04]  * Laney grinds teeth
[15:04] <Laney> :)
[15:11] <xnox> Laney:  ooooooh is that good or bad?
[15:12] <Laney> xnox: hahah well I've not enjoyed using them up to now
[15:12] <Laney> but still, thanks for the work
[15:12] <cjwatson> Better than what was there before, probably worse than subtrees :)
[15:12]  * xnox played a lot for with --prefix subtree & submodules
[15:12] <Laney> did you fork all of the repos into Launchpad or something
[15:12] <cjwatson> The main problem with submodules is that the UI is awful even for git
[15:12] <Laney> sorry for asking instead of checking
[15:13] <xnox> cjwatson:  so subtree wouldn't allow to rebase things nicely. Unless something like git-dpm to do the "rebase, but actually git merge"
[15:13] <xnox> with subtree integration.
[15:13] <cjwatson> And likes to sometimes leave submodules mysteriously out of date
[15:13] <xnox> Laney:  cjwatson: yes, i did setup git->git for all of the d-i projects, and then added ~ubuntu-installer team repos based off that, with ubuntu delta, on top of the right debian tag.
[15:14] <xnox> Laney:  cjwatson: so i can setup a "subtree" based git repo with all of those things too, I guess for evaluation.
[15:14] <cjwatson> It can absolutely be handled, it's just one of those things where you need to pay closer attention than average at the client end
[15:15] <cjwatson> (Also doesn't work with recipes and it's not clear how to make it work, though you may or may not care about that - see https://code.launchpad.net/~tintou/git-build-recipe/+git/git-build-recipe-1/+merge/351699)
[16:49] <xnox> right, in the worst case scenario of subtree "rebase" one just removes a subtree and merges in a new one.
[17:08] <bdmurray> vorlon: looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlusOneMaintenanceTeam/Status and "Things to pick from" nautilus-python has migrated right? I'm wondering how up to date this is
[18:09] <vorlon> bdmurray: only as up-to-date as the last +1 maint person who updated it :)
[19:37] <arnatious> I'm trying to figure out how to make this SRU: flake8 released an update supporting python3.8 only after we released focal. Should I just make the issue "This valid python code is failing <insert 3.8 language feature>, flake8 3.8 addresses this?"
[19:58] <Odd_Bloke> arnatious: I'm not 100% sure I understand the question; could you explain the issue in a little more detail?
[19:59] <arnatious> Yeah - the python3-flake8 package doesn't support all of python 3.8 as-is
[20:00] <arnatious> Odd_Bloke flake8 released the update adding 3.8 support in early May, after we released focal.
[20:01] <arnatious> We're on python3-flake8 3.7.9, PyPi has 3.8.x now. flake8 is supposed to keep minor version in sync with python
[20:01] <Odd_Bloke> Aha, right, I hadn't understood you were talking about SRUing flake8 itself, thanks for the clarification!  Do you have a bug for this?
[20:02] <arnatious> I'm filing one, I was wondering if saying ^ that would be enough for a bug report
[20:06] <Odd_Bloke> I'm not a member of the SRU team, so I'm not the best person to be answering that specifically I'm afraid.
[23:32] <RAOF> arnatious: I *am* a member of the SRU team, and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#SRU_Bug_Template is a good start.


[00:00] <valorie> !grub
[00:00] <ubot4> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[00:00] <valorie> very useful bot
[00:00] <Tubu> : o)
[00:00] <Tubu> I like bots, in fact... they don't harass on gender at least...
[00:00] <valorie> doesn't always know what you want, but it is teachable
[00:01] <Tubu> !de
[00:01] <ubot4> In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis.
[00:01] <Tubu> haha
[00:01] <Tubu> cool!
[00:02] <Tubu> !blueprint
[00:02] <ubot4> Factoid 'blueprint' not found
[00:02] <IdleOne> apologies for speaking in French :/
[00:03] <Tubu> sorry for beeing the temptation, then...  : o\
[00:04] <Tubu> !ubuntu
[00:04] <ubot4> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[00:04] <valorie> someone could write up a short explanation for blueprints - might be useful
[00:04] <valorie> also, you can query the bot privately
[00:04] <IdleOne> valorie: suggestion for the factoid?
[00:04] <valorie> like /msg ubot4 !question I think
[00:05] <Tubu> ow... ye of course... thanks
[00:05] <valorie> I would have to think about that one
[00:06] <Tubu> and who feed the bot with the definition?
[00:06] <valorie> https://help.launchpad.net/Blueprint might help
[00:06] <valorie> and a link to that page
[00:06] <valorie> the ops do, I think
[00:06] <Tubu> or how could we propose him suggestion of definition?
[00:06] <valorie> or the IRC Council?
[00:08] <IdleOne> Tubu: to submit a suggestion to the bot, in message type !blueprint is <repply> this is a new factoid suggestion for blueprints
[00:08] <IdleOne> err <reply>
[00:09] <IdleOne> http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Adding_a_factoid
[00:11] <valorie> !blueprint is https://help.launchpad.net/Blueprint
[00:11] <valorie> done
[00:11] <valorie> :-)
[00:12] <IdleOne> !blueprint is Information about Blueprints in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.launchpad.net/Blueprint
[00:13] <Tubu> :)
[00:14] <IdleOne> !blueprint
[00:14] <ubot4> Factoid 'blueprint' not found
[00:14] <IdleOne> hmm
[00:14] <IdleOne> bot does not like me
[00:15] <Tubu> haha
[00:15] <Tubu> !blueprint
[00:15] <ubot4> Factoid 'blueprint' not found
[00:15] <IdleOne> it hasn't been added yet
[00:18] <Tubu> maybe it has a little lag...
[00:19] <Tubu> !blueprint is <reply> Information about Blueprints in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.launchpad.net/Blueprint
[00:20] <IdleOne> the factoid has to be approved by a admin
[00:20] <Tubu> yes indeed... it's on his way... I have forwarding feedback from ubot4...
[00:20] <Tubu> cool!
[00:21] <Tubu> I like that... I like Ubuntu!!
[00:21] <Tubu> :)
[00:26] <valorie> we do too
[00:27] <valorie> it really is a group effort
[00:27] <pleia2> !blueprint
[00:27] <ubot4> Factoid 'blueprint' not found
[00:27] <pleia2> hrm
[00:27] <pleia2> interesting that it works in pm
[00:27] <Tubu> ow... in pm with ubot4?
[00:28] <Tubu> or any pm?
[00:28] <pleia2> with ubot4
[00:28] <IdleOne> interesting indeed
[00:29] <Tubu> it need attention, maybe... :)
[00:31] <IdleOne> !blueprint
[00:31] <ubot4> Factoid 'blueprint' not found
[00:31] <pleia2> no cookies, ubot4
[00:33] <IdleOne> !-blueprint
[00:33] <ubot4> Factoid 'blueprint' not found
[00:36]  * IdleOne gives ubot4 a cookie
[00:36] <IdleOne> Please, please be nice and work
[00:38] <IdleOne> !blueprint
[00:38] <ubot4> Factoid 'blueprint' not found
[00:38] <IdleOne> heh
[00:39] <pleia2> well, you broke it
[00:39] <pleia2> :)
[00:39] <Tubu> ye you all kids broke the bot!!
[00:39] <IdleOne> I blame valorie
[00:40] <IdleOne> !blueprint | pleia2
[00:40] <ubot4> Factoid 'blueprint' not found
[00:40] <IdleOne> fine!
[00:40] <pleia2> hehe
[00:40] <IdleOne> !blueprint > pleia2
[00:40] <IdleOne> did it work?
[00:40] <pleia2> nada
[00:41] <IdleOne> very strange
[00:42] <valorie> dang it
[00:42] <Tubu> but ye it works well in pm...
[00:42] <IdleOne> hello tsimpson valorie broke ubot4
[00:42] <IdleOne> :)
[00:42] <Tubu> lol
[00:43] <Tubu> tsss sneak you are IdleOne
[00:43] <valorie> maybe tsimpson can fix it
[00:44] <IdleOne> I believe that is why he is here
[00:44] <valorie> gosh, all I did was suggest a new factoid
[00:44] <valorie> :(
[00:44] <Tubu> lol
[00:44] <tsimpson> !blueprint
[00:44] <ubot4> Factoid 'blueprint' not found
[00:45] <tsimpson> bots that tell lies, the world is about to end
[00:45] <tsimpson> !blueprints
[00:45] <ubot4> Want to suggest or discuss ideas of a future project/feature?  With Launchpad you can track blueprints (feature specification summaries) from discussion through review, approval, and implementation.  See https://blueprints.launchpad.net/
[00:45] <IdleOne> that one is even better
[00:46] <tsimpson> using !search :)
[00:46] <tsimpson> erm, I can't see any reason why the bot can't find !blueprint in here, but can in /msg
[00:47] <IdleOne> you want to forget the other in ubottu and alias it to !blueprints?
[00:47] <tsimpson> I'll alias it, but can't "forget" it, or the bot will complain
[00:48] <IdleOne> thanks tsimpson
[00:48] <Tubu> thanks tsimpson
[00:49] <Tubu> thanks you all, in fact... :)
[00:49] <Tubu> all that for me...
[00:49] <tsimpson> I guess you'll just have to get jpds to look at ubot4, he's the one who has (shell) access to that bot
[00:50] <Tubu> !jpds
[00:50] <ubot4> Factoid 'jpds' not found
[00:51] <Tubu> is it a person "jpds"?
[00:51] <pleia2> yes
[00:51] <Tubu> ow ok
[00:52] <tsimpson> ubot4!~ubot4@unaffiliated/jpds/bot/ubot4 <- tells you jpds "owns" it
[00:52] <ubot4> tsimpson: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[00:52] <IdleOne> we don't
[00:52] <tsimpson> otherwise, it's me
[00:54] <Tubu> cool I understand that... thanks for info
[00:57] <Tubu> so there are 2 bots with us: the logger and the encyclopedia... a barbot would be great also, no?
[00:58] <tsimpson> well the log bot just logs, ubot4 can do all sorts of things as long as someone writes a plugin to do it
[00:59] <IdleOne> a barbot would not be useful or needed in this channel
[00:59] <IdleOne> any ubuntu channel I would imagine
[01:01] <valorie> what's a barbot?
[01:01] <Tubu> I know... a real bar would be better... : o) ... heu... is this kind of post I do is considered as "spam"?...
[01:02] <Tubu> a barbot is a bot that propose you a menu to drink or snacks when typing !bar or !thursty or !à-boire... : o)
[01:03] <valorie> ah
[01:03] <valorie> no, not appropriate
[01:03] <Tubu> ok
[01:03] <valorie> play chans are one thing
[01:03] <valorie> ubuntu namespaces aren't playgrounds
[01:04] <Tubu> ow...
[01:04] <tsimpson> it's mostly up to the channel, but we like things to be, you know, useful :)
[01:05] <Tubu> okok
[01:06] <Tubu> so, if I ask a more "conceptual" question about the "blueprint" like... "why is the word "blueprint" used?... because in the definition of the word itself it seems to be more a "spatial" representation than a "timed" one..." is it still unappropriated?
[01:07] <valorie> well, mostly it's used for software
[01:07] <valorie> so the groups just use the same piece of kit
[01:07] <Tubu> because "architecture" is used in concept of software, thus
[01:07] <valorie> since it works, I think we're OK with it
[01:08] <valorie> Launchpad is ...... launchpad
[01:08] <Tubu> ye... I understand...
[01:13] <Tubu> So, time for me to leave now...
[01:13] <Tubu> thanks for the help and talk...
[01:13] <Tubu> bye


[08:08] <renatosilva> http://i.imgur.com/sfOdILx.png :-/
[13:16] <dobey> looks fine here
[19:08] <chrisr_> I uploaded the package cpp-ethereum 1.2.9-SNAPSHOT--20160628-6a05dd7~trusty-0ubuntu1 today but I don't see any build results or errors
[19:08] <chrisr_> Could someone please take a look at the logs?
[19:20] <dobey> uploaded to a ppa?
[19:28] <cjwatson> chrisr_: It's in https://launchpad.net/~ethereum/+archive/ubuntu/ethereum/+packages and successfully built
[19:29] <cjwatson> chrisr_: You then made a duplicate upload a few minutes later which was rejected and an email sent to you
[19:29] <cjwatson> chrisr_: And two more duplicate uploads after that, also rejected and emailed
[19:39] <chrisr_> thanks a lot!
[19:39] <chrisr_> I could swear I did not see it in the package list before..
[19:39] <chrisr_> sorry for the hassle...
[19:41] <cjwatson> np
[22:24] <junaid838> hi everyone!