[09:35] <bittin> Any reason there has been no 21.04 daily builds for a couple of days?
[09:45] <guiverc> bittin, mentioned in #ubuntu-release "<doko> apparently builders won't be back before tomorrow"
[09:45] <guiverc> sorry I can't elaborate on issue... but that's the best clue I'm aware on fix..
[09:51] <guiverc> bittin, and please don't ask questions in multiple rooms (~45 secs apart)
[10:36] <bittin> the Sunday image was stalling but both are uploaded now


[01:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#3887 opened: store: support status for an onprem store <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3887>
[06:53] <mup> PR snapd#12059 closed: packaging/*/tests/integrationtests: reload ssh.service, not sshd.service <Created by vorlonofportland> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12059>
[06:58] <mup> PR snapd#12058 closed: overlord: allow seeding in the case of classic with modes system <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12058>
[07:43] <mup> PR snapd#12079 opened: multiple: move arguments for auth.NewUser into a struct (auto-removal 1/n) <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12079>
[07:44] <eoli3n> Hi
[07:44] <eoli3n> mardy, testing is snapd.socket is ready is not enough
[07:44] <eoli3n> https://0x0.st/o90z.txt
[07:45] <eoli3n> https://0x0.st/o90i.txt
[07:53] <eoli3n> I can install a snap package in a chroot during os deployment
[07:53] <eoli3n> so i differ it at startup
[07:53] <eoli3n> and now i can't even install a pacakge at startup
[07:53] <eoli3n> guys
[07:53] <eoli3n> seriously ??
[07:53] <eoli3n> s/can/can't
[07:54] <eoli3n> my playbook is 500 tasks
[07:54] <eoli3n> it plays with a lot of packages, configurations, daemons
[07:54] <eoli3n> no other tools is problematic
[07:55] <eoli3n> the only problem is snap
[07:55] <eoli3n> snap and snap again
[08:13] <mup> PR snapd#12080 opened: overlord: track security profiles for non-active snaps <Bug> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12080>
[08:18] <eoli3n> if i test on snapd.service instead of socket, it seems to wait without end
[08:19] <eoli3n> ok, does snapd depend on graphical.target ?
[08:19] <eoli3n> it would be very funny
[08:24] <eoli3n> mardy i run ansible-pull before lightdm service
[08:25] <eoli3n> it seems that snapd service is never ready before lightdm
[08:25] <eoli3n> i can't identify the constraint
[08:25] <eoli3n> but if i pkill ansible-pull then lightdm shows up and snapd becomes instantly ready
[08:25] <eoli3n> probleme is that ansible-pull needs snapd to be ready to be able to install packages
[08:30] <eoli3n> lets move firefox install to flatpak too. Then i remove snapd, that shit is simply not working
[08:33] <lissyx> eoli3n, you might hit more problem with flatpak
[08:33] <eoli3n> i don't have any problem with any flatpak
[08:33] <eoli3n> i install many
[08:34] <lissyx> I mean the firefox one
[08:34] <eoli3n> maybe, but at least i can install it
[08:34] <eoli3n> automate the deployment*
[08:34] <lissyx> I have not followed what issues you have with it
[08:35] <lissyx> just warning you that you might end up with bugs that are fixed on snap
[08:35] <eoli3n> huhu
[08:35] <eoli3n> i hear it as a troll
[08:36] <lissyx> ?
[08:36] <eoli3n> what kind of problem do you talk about for exemple ?
[08:36] <lissyx> I have no example
[08:36] <eoli3n> that's what i talk about
[08:37] <eoli3n> "bugs that are fixed on snap" : no exemple then ?
[08:37] <eoli3n> because i can tell you much bugs that snap introduce that flatpak doesn't have
[08:38] <eoli3n> choose your hand
[08:38] <lissyx> eoli3n, this is not constructive
[08:38] <eoli3n> what is not constructive ?
[08:38] <eoli3n> i explained ealier what are my problem
[08:38] <eoli3n> s
[08:38] <lissyx> I'm actively working on fixing firefox/snap
[08:38] <lissyx> I dont have time to also focus on flatpak
[08:39] <lissyx> so I am saying it is possible some issues due to running into those environemnt might have been fixed on Snap and not on Flatpak
[08:39] <eoli3n> saying that much work has been done on firefox snap package without beeing able to give at least one example is not constructive too
[08:39] <eoli3n> possible yes
[08:40] <lissyx>  eoli3n https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1665641&hide_resolved=0
[08:40] <eoli3n> but i can't even deploy firefox package with ansible-pull on my 800 hosts
[08:40] <lissyx> I'll let you go through it?
[08:40] <lissyx> there are still way too many issues, but so much we can't reproduce and investigate ...
[08:40] <eoli3n> huhu, my guess is that most of those bugs are introduced by the snapd architecture
[08:40] <eoli3n> that flatpak doesnt even hit
[08:41] <lissyx> maybe
[08:41] <lissyx> maybe not
[08:41] <eoli3n> maybe is the word yes
[08:41] <lissyx> there are quite some that are reported on both sides.
[08:41] <lissyx> and how many for which we dont know because there's so much less users of flatpak
[08:41] <eoli3n> i'm not into downing snaps for pleasure
[08:41] <eoli3n> i would use firefox snap package
[08:42] <eoli3n> but i'm migrating my infrastructure to ubuntu 22.04, and i need it to be done in next 5h
[08:42] <eoli3n> then i hit the ultime snapd problem
[08:42] <eoli3n> i can't install them with ansible-pull
[08:42] <lissyx> I was just mentionning that if your problem is deployment, you might want to verify first the level of stability of the flatpak
[08:42] <lissyx> maybe you will discover it is more broken than then snap for your usage
[08:43] <eoli3n> i had the same problem 2 years ago with chromium
[08:43] <eoli3n> apt install chromium resulted in snap install chromium
[08:43] <eoli3n> and the same story
[08:43] <eoli3n> impossible to run chromium with nfs mounted home
[08:43] <lissyx> is this unfixable by design ?
[08:44] <eoli3n> lot of time and work both side with snapcraft and finally moved to flatpak
[08:44] <eoli3n> never had a problem with it
[08:44] <lissyx> but maybe there are more people fixing chromium's flatpak
[08:44] <eoli3n> the problem is not chromium, it is snap
[08:45] <lissyx> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1278719&hide_resolved=1
[08:45] <lissyx> flatpak meta bug
[08:45] <eoli3n> 224 versus 54
[08:46] <lissyx> notice the hide_resolved=
[08:46] <lissyx> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1665641&hide_resolved=1
[08:46] <lissyx> current state is 68 to 54
[08:46] <eoli3n> it looks like systemd versus runit for exemple
[08:46] <eoli3n> snapd is overcomplex, that is the failure
[08:47] <eoli3n> more complexity had more bugs
[08:47] <eoli3n> that's subjective
[08:48] <eoli3n> anyway, if someone shows up here to help me to solve that ansible deployment problem, i would stick with firefox on snap
[08:48] <eoli3n> as is, i just can't deploy it so...
[08:49] <lissyx> eoli3n, two minutes on the list, already three bugs that are just dupes from the snap work as well
[08:50] <lissyx> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1764700
[08:50] <lissyx> reported against flatpak, same root cause as of the snap report, it's not because of snapd
[08:50] <lissyx> eoli3n, if you are really in a deadend, why not switching to our binaries?
[08:50] <lissyx> either tarball or ppa?
[08:51] <eoli3n> i didn't know there was a ppa
[08:51] <eoli3n> that's a better option
[08:51] <eoli3n> lets check
[08:51] <eoli3n> thanks
[08:52] <eoli3n> which one should i use to have the current stable version ?
[08:53] <lissyx> ppa ,
[08:53] <lissyx> ?
[08:53] <eoli3n> ppa:mozillateam/ppa ?
[08:53] <eoli3n> yes
[08:53] <lissyx> yes I think so
[08:54] <eoli3n> lets test
[09:00] <mardy> Support for NFS and other remote FS is in the works. The reason why it doesn't work now is that snaps are run by executing a setuid binary, snap-confine, which tries to read the current directory, and that fails on most remote FS (for security reason they don't allow root access)
[09:00] <mardy> we are migrating away from setuid, and use Linux capabilities instead
[09:00] <mardy> but it's not a trivial task
[09:02] <mardy> bug 1973321
[09:02] <mup> Bug #1973321: snaps don't start when current working directory is on sshfs <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1973321>
[09:02] <eoli3n> mardy its working now, i don't know how
[09:02] <eoli3n> but that's ok
[09:02] <eoli3n> lissyx the funny thing is, i added the ppa, but as ubuntu wrap firefox package with apt to install with snap, i don't know how to force install from ppa
[09:03] <eoli3n> mardy, could you help about the snapd at startup problem ?
[09:04] <eoli3n> not sure i exposed it in the clearest way
[09:04] <eoli3n> lissyx found a doc about not using the snap package : https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/firefox#installer_firefox_en_deb_classique_au_lieu_de_snap
[09:04] <eoli3n> in french, perfect
[09:06] <lissyx> eoli3n, is this some enterprise deployment?
[09:06] <eoli3n> french university
[09:06] <lissyx> if so, you might want to make sure you block auto-updates, and this might be complicated with the ppa
[09:06] <lissyx> which one?
[09:06] <eoli3n> Montpellier
[09:07] <lissyx> ok it's far enough you wont come to complain :D
[09:07] <eoli3n> huhu
[09:07] <eoli3n> you saw that complaining on IRC is in my skills
[09:07] <eoli3n> ;)
[09:08] <eoli3n> lissyx how to block auto-updates ?
[09:08] <lissyx> pretty sure we have some doc on that but I dont know where
[09:08] <eoli3n> lissyx even funnier, firefox snap package is defaulty install, so i need to be able to remove it with ansible
[09:08] <eoli3n> then i hit my snapd not ready problem
[09:09] <lissyx> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/firefox-enterprise/deploy-firefox-for-enterprise
[09:09] <eoli3n> thanks !
[09:09] <lissyx> how do you provision your ubuntu base system?
[09:14] <lissyx> mardy, so for speech-dispatcher socket, where should I add it?
[09:14] <eoli3n> boot pxe on a nfsroot with the iso installer extracted, preseed install, chroot -> ansible-pull, then reboot, ansible-pull again with apps installation enables
[09:14] <eoli3n> enabled
[09:14] <lissyx> desktop.go ?
[09:14] <lissyx> well during the preseed you can probably uninstall firefox snap?
[09:14] <eoli3n> i don't think so, that's my i split my ansible-pull runs : snapd is not running in chroot, because systemd is not running in chroot
[09:16] <eoli3n> s/my/why
[09:17] <lissyx> mardy, ok seb128 reminded me about at-spi one, I'm going to do it next to it
[09:21] <eoli3n> ah !!!
[09:21] <eoli3n> https://0x0.st/o90v.txt
[09:21] <eoli3n> why waiting for multi-user.target !!
[09:22] <eoli3n> lets disable this
[09:23] <eoli3n> and then i found this !! in my playbook
[09:23] <eoli3n> https://0x0.st/o90w.txt
[09:23] <eoli3n> facepalm
[09:23] <mup> PR snapd#12081 opened: Bug 1787245 - Grant access to speech-dispatcher socket <Created by lissyx> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12081>
[09:23] <eoli3n> that's something we put with mardy to solve my firefox issue
[09:25] <eoli3n> lets remove this
[09:26] <eoli3n> ok, that fixed the nfs home autodetection, if i remove it snapd will not detect that autofs use nfs for home
[09:33] <mup> PR snapd#12065 closed: store/tooling: support using snapcraft v7+ base64-encoded auth data <Squash-merge> <snap-revision-delegation> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12065>
[12:39] <mup> PR snapd#12082 opened: tests: remove NESTED_IMAGE_ID from nested manual tests <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12082>
[12:43] <mup> PR snapcraft#3887 closed: store: support status for an onprem store <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3887>
[13:12] <eoli3n> lissyx this problem will never end
[13:12] <eoli3n> the ppa kicked us
[13:12] <lissyx> kicked us ?
[13:13] <eoli3n> as i automate many host that add it in the same time
[13:13] <eoli3n> it timeouts now
[13:13] <eoli3n> so i think my public subnet was banned or something
[13:13] <lissyx> just use the tarball and  follow the doc to disable autoupdate ?
[13:13] <lissyx> or it's just infra failure, it happens
[13:14] <eoli3n> i don't need to disable autoupdate
[13:14] <eoli3n> i use unnatended upgrade so
[13:14] <lissyx> I'm referring to firefox'
[13:16] <eoli3n> yes, but as said, i use unattended upgrade for firefox package on the ppa
[13:16] <eoli3n> i want it to be as up to date as possible
[13:16] <lissyx> you just said PPA is blocked now
[13:17] <eoli3n> it timed out during the install process, replaying it on only one host worked
[13:17] <eoli3n> maybe that's a ddos protection or something
[13:17] <lissyx> so I'm just suggesting to move to the tarball we distribute instead of usign the ppa
[13:18] <lissyx> and doing so, you might want to disable autoupdate in the firefox install
[13:18] <eoli3n> i don't want static installations
[13:23] <lissyx> eoli3n, static?
[13:28] <mup> PR snapcraft#3884 closed: cli: parse http-proxy and https-proxy <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3884>
[13:55] <eoli3n> lissyx extracting a tarball is a static install, you can't upgrade it without manual intervention
[14:01] <ogra> doesnt the FF tarball install update itself ?
[14:01] <ogra> (via a built in mechanism in FF)
[14:03] <ahasenack> FF tarball does update itself
[14:04] <ogra> yeah, thought so ...
[14:06] <ahasenack> I have one place where it's extracted to ~/firefox, and I start it manually from there, and every now and then the shell CURDIR that is in that directory gets confused, because it was deleted an recreated
[14:06] <ahasenack> I have to cd -; cd -
[14:06] <ahasenack> then I know ff updated itself
[14:08] <ogra> well, i think it shows a popup too that you should restart (after it did the update)
[14:09]  * ogra is just gussing ... i do indeed use the snap
[14:09] <ogra> *guessing
[14:09] <ogra> but i used to use the tarball some years ago and that was what it did
[14:40] <mup> PR snapd#12077 closed: tests: add extra space to ubuntu bionic <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12077>
[17:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#3875 closed: providers: delete instances via Executor object <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3875>
[17:38] <mup> PR snapcraft#3888 opened: Hotfix/7.1.2 merge <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3888>
[17:56] <mup> PR snapd#12082 closed: tests: remove NESTED_IMAGE_ID from nested manual tests <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12082>
[18:48] <mup> PR snapcraft#3873 closed: cli: add backwards compatible log enablement for LP <Created by sergiusens> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3873>
[18:53] <mup> PR snapcraft#3889 opened: cli: add legacy envvar for login and check stdin <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3889>
[20:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#3882 closed: Write passthrough to meta data and add some missing fields <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3882>
[20:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#3888 closed: Hotfix/7.1.2 merge <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3888>
[20:48] <mup> PR snapcraft#3867 closed: DT-500 Fix Cups for Gtk support in Gnome-42 <Created by sergio-costas> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3867>
[21:03] <mup> PR snapcraft#3886 closed: ua: specify and enable ua services <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3886>
[21:16] <mup> PR pc-amd64-gadget#68 closed: Increase boot partition size for classic gadget <Created by jawn-smith> <Closed by jawn-smith> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/68>
[22:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#3889 closed: cli: add legacy envvar for login and check stdin <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3889>
[22:33] <mup> PR snapcraft#3890 opened: ua: enable ua services in legacy <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3890>


[10:40] <nhoult> does joystick configuration option show up for anyone in System Settings in Edgy?
[10:40] <joe3k> sbcl3: correct
[10:40] <sbcl3> notech: 0.1.7-2
[10:40] <intelikey> nhoult nothing shows up for me  :)
[10:40] <intelikey> blank page
[10:40] <sbcl3> er, 0.1.7-2ubuntu1 is what adept says
[10:40] <linx> can someone look at this: http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1cr1.png  pressing next ('volgende') in the installer wont destroy contents on /dev/hda6 will it? (strange thing is.. Disks & F/s lists that as /dev/hda5)
[10:40] <intelikey> oh sorry dapper here.
[10:41] <mirshafie> qkr : there's also kftpgrabber
[10:41] <sbcl3> notech, is there a version without the bug?
[10:41] <notech> sbcl3: srry, no idea. my google search says 0.1.7 fixed that
[10:41] <joe3k> nhoult: for me not
[10:42] <Ashex> I'm working on gettings windows on another disk, But the windows installer wants me to create a "windows-compatible" partition on the boot disk, which just happens to be a linux disk
[10:42] <nhoult> I have a joystick option in Dapper, but it seems to have disappeared in Edgy
[10:42] <sbcl3> i suppose i can just rename files to stop the program from running
[10:42] <Ashex> is there any way to snip off a bit off the end of the partition table without killing kubuntu?
[10:42] <joe3k> the system settings in edgy are somehow messed up
[10:42] <Ashex> my partitions are setup as such: http://www.chipnick.com/Bucket/partitions.jpg
[10:42] <qkr> ok thanks guys
[10:42] <joe3k> one can't even setup keyb layouts
[10:43] <intelikey> i think it's this kernel upgrade that hosed kde.   rebooting to check.
[10:43] <bill57785> I have a USB hub that doesn't work with kubuntu at the moment....do I need to install some drivers or something? It didn't come with anything because it was supposed to be plug and play
[10:44] <Ashex> bill57785, what's plugged into the hub
[10:45] <bill57785> well, I had a USB flash drive and a USB mouse plugged in (both which work fine when plugged directly into the mobo). They both get power (lighting up), but neither work
[10:46] <Ashex> check the connection itself
[10:46] <Ashex> usb hubs are universally plug&play
[10:47] <bill57785> well that's what I figured
[10:47] <bill57785> how can I check the connection though?
[10:48] <bill57785> it gets power (it has an LED), and I don't know how else to check
[10:50] <intelikey> knope it's knot the kernel      what is with my Xorg
[10:50] <BluesKaj> what's the install instruction for an extracted tar.bz2 program? ... there doesn't seem to be any installation exe in the file ... ?
[10:50] <intelikey> !tar
[10:50] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[10:50] <intelikey> !build
[10:50] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:51] <intelikey> BluesKaj  that ^
[10:51] <BluesKaj> they can be extracted but not installed
[10:51] <notech> once you untar it there should be a README or INSTALL
[10:51] <intelikey> yeah they can be installed after extraction
[10:51] <BluesKaj> there isn't
[10:51] <notech> poor app then
[10:51] <intelikey> BluesKaj it makes a dir with the same basename
[10:52] <zander_> test
[10:52] <BluesKaj> yeah ,what do ilook for in the dir ?
[10:52] <intelikey> example; tar -xf mynew.tar.bz2 ;cd mynew ;ls
[10:52] <nickv111> Hey. For some reason, I don't have an "Input" menu in KMix
[10:52] <nickv111> And I need it
[10:53] <intelikey> BluesKaj anything in uppercase
[10:53] <BluesKaj> ok
[10:53] <intelikey> uppercase is a standard for documentation
[10:54] <intelikey> README INSTALL BUILDING COMPILING HELP READ.THIS    and so on.
[10:54] <b0ng0> Hi, how can I downloaded the latest nvidia drivers that will work with Beryl
[10:56] <intelikey> BluesKaj also of note if there is a  configure  file  generally    ./configure --help    will get you started...    venella building with configure is    ./configure && make && sudo make install      but read any docs first.
[10:56] <intelikey> !nv
[10:56] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:56] <b0ng0> are these the latest ones?
[10:56] <jujimufu> hey, I am interested in reasons why I should install debian instead of kubuntu. Any ideas?
[10:56] <jujimufu> I mean, if I were to choose one of the two
[10:56] <jujimufu> why should I choose kubuntu and not debian
[10:56] <jujimufu> or the other way around
[10:58] <BluesKaj> intelikey: there's an install.sh script
[10:58] <ubuntu_> what is this ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Invalid argument
[10:59] <intelikey> BluesKaj those are handy too
[10:59] <intelikey> BluesKaj i didn't try to give an exhostive list of ways implimented....
[11:00] <intelikey> "the attempt would have been futile"
[11:01] <BluesKaj> it's devede 26 , and I had this problem before with extracting files to afolder but then not being able to install them
[11:01] <intelikey> jujimufu distrowatch.com
[11:02] <intelikey> !b-e | BluesKaj
[11:02] <ubotu> BluesKaj: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:03] <canine_kouji> mmm
[11:03] <lzap> hello all I have problem with upgrade Dapper->Edgy, the manual says: apt-get -u dist-upgrade | grep ^' ' | xargs apt-get -y install
[11:03] <BluesKaj> ok, I 'll look for a better source , but still don't understand why there's no self installer
[11:03] <lzap> but it does nothing, the console is waiting, cpu/disc is not working... seems its waiting for something
[11:04] <intelikey> BluesKaj you do have build-essential installed ?
[11:04] <canine_kouji> the best way to upgrade is to already have a home partition, then just delete all the contents of the other partitions and install edgy
[11:04] <canine_kouji> but nooo. *ubuntu tries to stupidly slap people with a single partition, thankfully I manually partition
[11:04] <lzap> well I have tried "Y" and enter, but there was no message
[11:04] <we2by> hi
[11:05] <we2by> does some one have the lipstik 2.1 source?
[11:05] <canine_kouji> lipstik?
[11:05] <we2by> I can't find this old version on kde-look
[11:05] <canine_kouji> ohhhh
[11:05] <canine_kouji> http://www.filewatcher.com/m/18223-lipstik-2.1.tar.bz2.440602.0.0.html
[11:05] <we2by> canine_kouji, it is for bsd
[11:06] <canine_kouji> nooo
[11:06] <canine_kouji> it is a distfile, meaning it was downloaded from the lipstick distrib site
[11:06] <we2by> ok
[11:06] <canine_kouji> it is for all supported OSes, you said it is for KDE, then it is for all
[11:06] <we2by> gonna give it a try
[11:06] <we2by> my fonts are very ugly :(
[11:07] <lzap> oh where do I find apt-get log?
[11:08] <intelikey>  /var/logs/
[11:08] <intelikey> -s ?
[11:10] <lzap> dkpg.log thnx
[11:10] <Chris_Swift> /msg nickserv set hide email on
[11:15] <DralaFi> about to test 2.6.15 modified kernel
[11:15] <BluesKaj> intelikey:  i installed build-essential, but the ./configure gives me this: No such file or directory
[11:16] <DralaFi> maybe there's no configure file
[11:16] <intelikey> get in the right dir and run the install.sh
[11:16] <intelikey> ./install.sh
[11:16] <intelikey> maybe sudo that
[11:17] <zander> join #ubuntu
[11:17] <canine_kouji> no thanks
[11:17] <intelikey> ///
[11:17] <intelikey> ////////////////
[11:17] <zander> ///////////////////////////////////
[11:18] <DralaFi> YES!!!
[11:18] <canine_kouji> "I'm going to fkin kill ubuntu!"(Ballmer)
[11:18] <canine_kouji> :P
[11:19] <DralaFi> intelikey, got vanilla 2.6.15 compiled with same config as kubuntu-factory, with sata+scsi+ext[23]  compiled in, no initrd. KDE picks up usb thumb drive and creates desktop entry, media:/ entry and pops up the media actions window.
[11:19] <DralaFi> canine_kouji, is that before or after throwing a chair across the room?
[11:20] <canine_kouji> DralaFi: it would be after bug #1 has been accomplished ;)
[11:20] <DralaFi> intelikey, you were right about the kernel config theory. Many thanks.  Alaska has made a man out of me :(
[11:21] <DralaFi> haha
[11:21] <canine_kouji> too much steak and salmon
[11:21] <canine_kouji> and eating with a texan family
[11:21] <lzap> the last upgrade command outputs: error in regular expression - Invalid preceding regular expression
[11:21] <metres> Do anyone know why "find /boot/grub/stage1" respond (hd0,1) and (hd1,0) but when I do setup (hd1,0), il rpond "Error 12: Invalid device requested"
[11:21] <DralaFi> alaska sounds interesting. all that snow :)
[11:22] <lzap> its the: apt-get -u dist-upgrade | grep ^' ' | xargs apt-get -y install
[11:22] <canine_kouji> DralaFi: I live in Homer, Alaska. There is some snow on the ground from the job a week ago.
[11:22] <canine_kouji> it is irregularly cold compared to last year
[11:22] <lzap> Homer like H. J. Simpson?
[11:22] <canine_kouji> heh
[11:22] <DralaFi> canine_kouji, I live in the UK, where we're lucky if we have snow :D
[11:22] <canine_kouji> ;)
[11:23] <DralaFi> didn't know Homer's middle name was 'J' :/
[11:23] <canine_kouji> I'e a cute malamute too, though she cut her foot on thanksgiving
[11:23] <melecio> need help =(
[11:23] <DralaFi> awww.. but I prefer cats :P
[11:24] <intelikey>     E: host 'ntp://pool.ntp.org' unreachable!
[11:24] <intelikey>        check you network connection.
[11:24] <canine_kouji> http://dogese.com/viewtopic.php?t=42
[11:24] <intelikey> hmmmm i wonder if my network connection is down ???
[11:24] <canine_kouji> The woundi s pretty deep, I wrapped the bandages really nicely
[11:24] <intelikey> i'll be back later.  perhaps!
[11:24] <canine_kouji> DralaFi: <3 Canines
[11:24] <melecio> Can somebody please help me out?
[11:24] <canine_kouji> melecio: no
[11:25] <DralaFi> melecio, I can't find any questions you asked.
[11:25] <canine_kouji> DralaFi: he is asking to ask, so I don't think he'll get much help ;)
[11:26] <melecio> alright i'll ask then
[11:26] <DralaFi> canine_kouji, I know. On other networks people just shout back "JUST ASK ALREADY!" :)
[11:26] <bobstro> yes, do!
[11:26] <canine_kouji> JUST ASK ALREADY!!111oneone!!!
[11:26] <DralaFi> *Gray
[11:26] <DralaFi> canine_kouji, lol
[11:26] <canine_kouji> DralaFi: I ran out, I'm stuck with black tea(not liptons, the chinese black tea)
[11:27] <metres> Do any have saw my question ?
[11:27] <lzap> ok I have Edgy now. where is Opera?
[11:27] <canine_kouji> there is coffee, but I had a cup yesterday. My body has sensitized to coffee and I feel poisoned if I have too much
[11:27] <lzap> what source to add in the sources.list?
[11:28] <metres> N grub specialist in the place ?!
[11:28] <canine_kouji> DralaFi: I dislike those commercial teas which really do make every tea taste like grass. Stash is the next best thing to starbucks(burned coffee)
[11:29] <canine_kouji> probably is a starbucks child too :/
[11:29] <crimsun> lzap: use the Ubuntu deb from opera's web site
[11:30] <melecio> I have a D946GZis Motherboard with GMA 3000 as built-in graphics... i was trying to install Google Earth and it gave me errors during the install... i asked around in a forum and someone told me it was that my graphics driver was not installed, but i can't find it anywhere... i'm on Kubuntu 6.10
[11:31] <DralaFi> canine_kouji, I like coffee, but too late for that. It's 22:37 here and i'd rather try to sleep at some 'normal' hour :). I used to drink coke, but it's too sugary and expensive and too acidic.
[11:32] <DralaFi> starbucks is awesome. only had it twice afaik
[11:32] <melecio> where can i find it?
[11:32] <bulwynkl> !LVM
[11:32] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[11:32] <DralaFi> melecio, no idea what a GMA 3000 is
[11:32] <bulwynkl> !postfix
[11:32] <ubotu> postfix is the default Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) for Ubuntu. Read more about setting it up here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix or here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto
[11:32] <evilkry> speaking of coffee I think i'm gonig to make some right ow
[11:32] <slow-motion> hallo
[11:33] <DralaFi> evilkry, don't tempt me :D
[11:34] <DralaFi> If only I could do something like git-bisect on the kernel .config :/
[11:38] <canine_kouji> DralaFi: I'd like you to say "starbucks is awesome" in Seattle
[11:38] <canine_kouji> DralaFi: then tell me how many people riot after you in a rage of "making you find the coffee god"
[11:38] <we2by> where are the kde themes located on kubuntu?
[11:38] <we2by> I just installed a theme by compiling it but I don't see it in the list
[11:39] <jhutchins> what's the difference between the i386 and i386 alternate iso?
[11:39] <DralaFi> canine_kouji, haha. Never been to the USA so can't comment :) although i'd like to visit Seattle just because that's where ZeroCool was arrested :D
[11:39] <canine_kouji> graphical vs text installer
[11:39] <we2by> any idea?
[11:40] <jhutchins> canine_kouji: alt being text, right?
[11:40] <melecio> What's GIT?
[11:40] <canine_kouji> DralaFi: oh, so you haven't ever had real coffee. You should order some from columbia or such. You can special order even small bags from places down there
[11:40] <canine_kouji> jhutchins: yes
[11:41] <canine_kouji> mmm, I found some white tea. white > black
[11:41] <we2by> where is kde installed on kubuntu?
[11:41] <canine_kouji> we2by: find / -name "kde*"
[11:43] <canine_kouji> DralaFi: In Alaska, we have places which order from the south and roast the beans here. I like ordering from seattle coffee and the local place here
[11:44] <asincrono> hi
[11:44] <DralaFi> we2by, --prefix=/usr
[11:44] <pippssa> hello all
[11:44] <asincrono> do u know some mirror where can I get beryl 0.1.2 packges for ubuntu edgy?
[11:45] <ocjeunesse> bonjour cherche ubuntu.fr
[11:45] <pippssa> I've just installed kubuntu edgy, why in the navigation panel in the folder root I can see only /home and /media and not the whole tree as usual?
[11:45] <DralaFi> canine_kouji, well I mostly use instant coffee
[11:45] <canine_kouji> 3141 opdpo
[11:45] <canine_kouji> f
[11:45] <canine_kouji> f
[11:45] <canine_kouji> f
[11:45] <canine_kouji> I just didn't see that
[11:45] <canine_kouji> instant coffeee?
[11:45] <canine_kouji> oh my god
[11:45] <DralaFi> :D
[11:46] <canine_kouji> DralaFi: how do you live with yourself?
[11:46] <ocjeunesse> kubuntu.fr
[11:46] <canine_kouji> DralaFi: where in the world do you live?
[11:46] <DralaFi> though my dad likes roast coffee beans to be ground and then cooked in water... but that's pretty string
[11:46] <DralaFi> canine_kouji, lol, UK
[11:46] <canine_kouji> DralaFi: I know you've real coffee there, do buy some and join the club :P
[11:46] <asincrono> and you can get untoasted coffe?
[11:47] <ocjeunesse> je cherche kubuntu francais
[11:47] <kovacsfp> Hi!
[11:47] <ocjeunesse> personne la
[11:47] <canine_kouji> its like the South Parh - WoW episode
[11:47] <canine_kouji> "get wow and install it on your computer before we all kill you"
[11:47] <we2by> where do I enable menu-transparency?
[11:47] <pippssa> why kde sees only /home and /media in the / folder?
[11:47] <canine_kouji> asincrono: you can order it in
[11:47] <tricasse> ocjeunesse> direction ubuntu-fr au mieux  mon avis, ici c'est en anglais
[11:47] <DralaFi> canine_kouji, will do :D
[11:47] <DralaFi> je pass le d'aspirateur
[11:48] <DralaFi> ocjeunesse, parle vous an angletaire
[11:48] <ocjeunesse> DralaFi oui je sais mais je n'arrive pas a trouver l'adresse
[11:49] <basquiat> pippssa: take a look at /.hidden - there you have directories specified which are hidden from kde.
[11:50] <pippssa> thanks basquiat
[11:50] <pippssa> can I delete the file?
[11:50] <basquiat> backups never hurt, but it won't harm your system. ;)
[11:51] <pippssa> thank you very much
[11:51] <canine_kouji> backups. hmm
[11:51] <canine_kouji> I'm thinking of getting a "My Book"
[11:51] <canine_kouji> not sure if I'm going to get the 500GB or 250
[11:51] <canine_kouji> maybe I'll go for a 320
[11:51] <slow-motion> n8
[11:51] <canine_kouji> the pro version has firewire b
[11:51] <canine_kouji> 800Mbps, power!
[11:52] <asincrono> 500 Great Britan it's beetter than 250? ... I'm not sure
[11:52] <canine_kouji> asincrono: well I might not need all the space :/
[11:53] <asincrono> if you don't need all the space you can give me someone?
[11:53] <canine_kouji> only if this was Second Life :P
[11:54] <canine_kouji> Second Life, the game for people with no 1st life
[11:55] <velle> hehe
[11:55] <canine_kouji> its like the WoW episode
[11:55] <DralaFi> canine_kouji, LOL
[11:55] <asincrono> what's the problem with WoW?
[11:56] <giometz> is it possible to change the default cpu frequencies in power management as it was possible in klaptop?
[11:56] <canine_kouji> I'm sure there will be a player with all the hacks and the SL admins will say"people, we are dealing with someone whose been playing second life for the past 3 years. We are dealing with somebody who has no life"
[11:56] <asincrono> btw ... I'm looking for guild ... shaman lvl 60 :P
[11:56] <canine_kouji> asincrono: haven't you seen the South Park -WoW episode
[11:56] <canine_kouji> ?
[11:56] <asincrono> yes I saw it
[11:57] <canine_kouji> :) then you know ;)
[11:57] <canine_kouji> "mom, more hot pockets!"
[11:57] <asincrono> there was boys with a noble cause
[11:58] <velle> i really want to watch that episode !
[11:58] <canine_kouji> "bathroom! Bathroom! *what hun* bathroom!" *diarhea spews all over the mom when she brings down the pan* "thats my big boy"
[11:58] <canine_kouji> velle: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgv4c_south-park-wow
[11:59] <asincrono> you can saw the episode in youtube too.
[11:59] <canine_kouji> I'm on a low grade dsl connection and I was able to watch it
[11:59] <velle> canine_kouji: "this content has been censored", but ill get it from a friend
[11:59] <ehird> hi,
[11:59] <asincrono> hi
[12:00] <ehird> does anybody know if support for wacom usb tablets is built-in to the kernel?
[12:00] <canine_kouji> velle: the heck, do you have netnany enabled or something?
[12:00] <ehird> considering using one instead of a mouse...
[12:00] <grimweb> why will my X only start when I am user ROOT?
[12:00] <ehird> grimweb: that's how x works
[12:00] <canine_kouji> hmm
[12:00] <velle> canine_kouji: ahhhh... i dont even know what nethany is ...
[12:00] <grimweb> ehird?
[12:00] <canine_kouji> anyone know if those PCMCIA video cards work under linux?
[12:01] <grimweb> depends which one
[12:01] <canine_kouji> I've a dual head right now, I'd like to use trihead
[12:01] <velle> canine_kouji: but i better do some work now anyway :)
[12:01] <canine_kouji> velle: I'm working on my cherrypy work :
[12:01] <grimweb> !google pcmcia video cards
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google pcmcia video cards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <canine_kouji> I've to make dogese.com more popular than seefido. seefido are full of stupid fucking PETA lovers
[12:02] <velle> canine_kouji: im working on cherrypy too :) but as a total newbie, my first site in python
[12:02] <canine_kouji> grimweb: yes, but they don't say if they work on linux
[12:02] <LjL> !language | canine_kouji
[12:02] <ubotu> canine_kouji: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:02] <canine_kouji> velle: I've used many languages for web stuff
[12:02] <canine_kouji> even C, but that was a pita
[12:02] <grimweb> try searching www.google.nl/linux
[12:02] <ehird> grimweb: hm k
[12:03] <LjL> !offtopic
[12:03] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:03] <canine_kouji> why can't kubuntu have music like OpenBSD has? :/
[12:03] <grimweb> ?
[12:04] <canine_kouji> last openbsd song spun off this jewish song
[12:04] <grimweb> Amarok is the best app, isn't it?
[12:04] <canine_kouji> grimweb: I mean song per release
[12:04] <canine_kouji> like openbsd. they release a song for every release
[12:04] <grimweb> oh.. ok
[12:04] <grimweb> you can make one
[12:05] <grimweb> I'm sure all effords to promoting kubuntu are welcome
[12:05] <canine_kouji> grimweb: mark would probably shoot it down
[12:05] <grimweb> actually I read something about sounds fro KDE4 lately
[12:06] <MetaBookfoziS> hey all, i have a konqueror issue
[12:06] <MetaBookfoziS> my filebrowser section's background is black
[12:07] <MetaBookfoziS> how can i fix that?
[12:07] <grimweb> I'm dropping nv driver again
[12:07] <grimweb> I think NV is my problem
[12:07] <grimweb> anybody got a good tip for installing the nv driver? NOT !nvidia, as that doesn't work here
[12:08] <asincrono> you don't need to install nv driver
[12:08] <canine_kouji> grimweb: install the nv driveR? what is wrong with it? it is provided with the Xorg distribution :/
[12:08] <asincrono> it's allready compiled as module
[12:08] <grimweb> I know, but it keeps breaking down every so many boot ups
[12:08] <canine_kouji> huh
[12:09] <canine_kouji> grimweb: you sure its not your hard drive?
[12:09] <grimweb> I tried Nvidia bin drivers as well (repo)
[12:09] <grimweb> works as VESA, but then I can't watch movies
[12:09] <canine_kouji> grimweb: what card?
[12:10] <canine_kouji> I'm betting it is a 3rd party card or chipset using nvidia
[12:10] <grimweb> nVidia GeForce 4
[12:10] <we2by> how do I disable the minimize effect?
[12:10] <canine_kouji> grimweb: no, I know the chipset is nv, but what is the card. who did you get it from?
[12:10] <grimweb> nope, plain nVidia card
[12:10] <canine_kouji> grimweb: does it have a 3rd party label on it?
[12:10] <canine_kouji> or graphic
[12:10] <grimweb> nope
[12:11] <grimweb> just nVidia
[12:11] <canine_kouji> could be a bad nvidia card
[12:11] <canine_kouji> yes, it would work at first and crash, I've had them.
[12:11] <grimweb> It worked on OpenSuSE
[12:11] <canine_kouji> oh
[12:11] <canine_kouji> grimweb: you weren't grabbed by Mark Shuttleworth's letter were you? ;)
[12:11] <grimweb> with binairy drivers
[12:11] <grimweb> nope, before that
[12:11] <canine_kouji> grimweb: dmesg|grep nv


[00:42] <SpamapS> LowValueTarget: to answer your earlier question, you can in fact use an ssh bouncer as a key logger.
[00:44] <SpamapS> LowValueTarget: however, it would probably require modifying openssh, unless they've added the "spy on users" option recently.
[00:45] <LowValueTarget> found this.... http://www.balabit.com/network-security/scb
[00:45] <LowValueTarget> that may be what we need
[00:45] <LowValueTarget> this is for PCI ....
[00:47] <SpamapS> LowValueTarget: My last PCI work was years ago.. but then, it just required access logging.. you didn't have to keep a log of every session.
[00:48] <kees> LowValueTarget: you can also use netcat to avoid the key logging. in /etc/.ssh/config:
[00:48] <kees> Host *%*
[00:48] <kees>     ProxyCommand ssh $(echo %h | cut -d% -f1) nc -q0 $(echo %h | cut -d% -f2) %p
[00:48] <kees> then you can ssh server2%server1
[00:48] <SpamapS> Right, unless you have the cooperation of sshd itself, its not going to catch everything.
[00:52] <LowValueTarget> SpamapS: And it goes on.... http://bit.ly/hFY90p
[00:57] <twb> Oh wow
[00:58] <twb> kees: btw, current ssh versions don't need nc on the far end, ssh -W
[01:02] <twb> I had to use -d%% to make it work with 5.5p1
[01:06] <twb> Doesn't work so well if you try to use @'s in there
[01:08] <twb> Oh, and of course you can use pattern substitution
[01:10] <twb> ARGH, ssh adds "exec" to the string
[01:10] <twb> Not exactly an improvement:   ProxyCommand sh -c 'h="%h"; exec ssh "${h%%,*}" -W "${h#*,}":%p'
[01:11] <twb> ProxyCommand >/dev/stdout; h="%h"; exec ssh "${h%%,*}" -W "${h#*,}":%p
[01:21] <MTecknology> Grrr... I with there was a channel for PlanetPlanet. The software is amazing but just a little help would be great.
[01:57] <AkakuMatt> Anyone in here use ODBC Connection to connect to their Mysql server??
[01:58] <AkakuMatt> Im using Ubuntu 10.10 Server trying to get an access frontend to dump to mysql backend
[02:21] <twb> AkakuMatt: why don't you just use mysql(1) ?
[02:41] <twb> I have unencrypted ldap working (ldap://<IP_ADDRESS>).  I've told slapd to use ldaps:///, too, but when I try to ldapsearch -xHldaps://<IP_ADDRESS>, I get "ldap_sasl_bind(SIMPLE): Can't contact LDAP server (-1)"
[02:41] <twb> This is not useful for debugging.  How do I get more debugging output from ldapsearch about the SSL failure?
[02:45] <twb> OK, -d3 yields TLS: peer cert untrusted or revoked (0x42)
[04:12] <EspadaV8_W> hello, i'm trying to find the correct way to set the console res in ubuntu server 10.04
[04:12] <EspadaV8_W> but i don't seem to be able to find anything relevant
[04:12] <EspadaV8_W> am i just being blind or is there something out there?
[05:26] <dragoon123> Hi, I am having problems setting my fan speed atm I have tried echoing different values to both the PWM and acpi fan files but the fan is still stuck @ 100%
[05:27] <dragoon123> Is there a way to manually set the values myself (control fanspeed)?
[05:29] <twb> EspadaV8_W: if the framebuffer driver you're using is compiled in, pass video=foofb:1024x768-16, where foofb is the driver
[05:29] <twb> EspadaV8_W: if it isn't compiled in, "foofb 1024x768-16" in /etc/modules *I think*(
[05:30] <twb> EspadaV8_W: you can also change the *font size* by issuing "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup"
[05:31] <EspadaV8_W> how do i find out what driver it is? (i'm installing inside vmware fusion, without the vmware drivers installed atm)
[05:31] <twb> I don't provide support for vmware, but I would guess vesafb or vga16fb
[05:31] <EspadaV8_W> fbcon?
[05:31] <twb> fbcon is the in-kernel terminal emulator that's built on top of the framebuffer.
[05:31] <EspadaV8_W> ah, i have vga16fb in lsmod
[05:33] <EspadaV8_W> ah, ok, thanks
[05:33] <EspadaV8_W> i'll try doing that
[05:34] <EspadaV8_W> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="video=vga16fb:1024x768-16"
[05:34] <EspadaV8_W> does that look ok?
[05:36] <twb> I don't know
[05:36] <twb> If lsmod lists it, then there's no point telling the KERNEL to load it, because it's not compiled in
[05:37] <twb> I guess you have to fight all the plymouth-related voodoo that's in ubuntu ramdisk and init nowadays
[05:38] <EspadaV8_W> it is in lsmod, so i passed what you mentioned in that GRUB2 line
[05:39] <EspadaV8_W> i've got around having a low res by ssh-ing from my host, but it's annoying
[05:39] <EspadaV8_W> the docs for Ubuntu seem to be very lacking
[05:40] <dragoon123> I am trying to set a value in /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon1/device/pwm1 , to lower my fan speed but when I save the file i get a E667: sync error in vim
[05:42] <twb> dragoon123: uh, don't use an editor to manipulate /sys and /proc
[05:45] <dragoon123> twb: How do I go about adjusting the speed manually?
[05:47] <twb> echo datum >/sys/foo/bar/baz
[05:47] <twb> printf, if you want to be anal
[05:49] <dragoon123> Hmm, the value does not change after I run the command
[05:49] <dragoon123> still stuck @ 255 pwm
[05:51] <dragoon123> any ideas?
[06:54] <Makere> sudo?
[07:49] <RoyK>  08:49:11 up 12 days, 21:53,  2 users,  load average: 55.18, 29.65, 12.68
[07:51] <SpamapS> RoyK: call me when it gets to 400.. ;)
[07:51] <RoyK> hehe
[07:52] <RoyK> SpamapS: old c2d machine running 5 VMs with only a mirror of drives ... i/o sucks quite hard on that one compared to what it should have been
[07:53] <SpamapS> Best load average story I ever had was when a woody box running on an old AMD 5x86-133 w/ 512MB of RAM and a single crappy disk hit 400+ because of a spam flood. The most awesome part was, I let it churn.. and 36 hours later.. it returned to a load under 1.00
[07:54] <RoyK> decent memory load, I guess, then
[07:55] <RoyK> linux usually can't (or at least couldn't back then) handle very rough memory loads
[07:55] <SpamapS> It was swapping like crazy
[07:55] <SpamapS> this was before spamd
[07:55] <SpamapS> spamassassin was just forking once for every mail
[07:56] <SpamapS> so there were hundreds of spamassassin's running, swapping in and out
[07:56] <RoyK> then it's a wonder it didn't crash :P
[07:57] <SpamapS> I actually think crashing would be preferrable to being tied up for 36 hours
[07:59] <RoyK> 'cept such a crash would make the server hang :P
[08:00] <RoyK> so no cigar
[08:01] <SpamapS> Which is why I tend to suggest people have remote power control. :)
[08:01] <SpamapS> think about it
[08:01] <SpamapS> 36 hours of non usability
[08:02] <SpamapS> that is never acceptible
[08:18] <twb> aaaaaaaargh
[08:18] <twb> Debian bug #549168 affects lucid
[08:18] <twb> (At least, the version predates the fix (which is in natty); I'm about to test it
[09:20] <sgo11> hi, new to ubuntu. with ubuntu-server 10.10, why the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic does not exist? by reading the ubuntu-server serverguide, I supposed to edit this file. this serverguide doesn't ask users to create the file, instead, it uses the word 'edit'. thanks.
[09:23] <gobbe> sgo11: it means that automatic updates are not enabled
[09:24] <gobbe> sgo11: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/automatic-updates.html
[09:24] <sgo11> gobbe, thanks. then how to enable it? I followed the serverguide. install unattended-upgrades and then /etc/init.d/unattended-upgrades restart even if the serverguide doesn't ask me to start the service.
[09:24] <gobbe> sgo11: read my link
[09:25] <gobbe> sgo11: about in halfway, there's line starting with "To enable automatic updates"
[09:26] <sgo11> gobbe, it writes "To enable automatic updates, edit /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic". but I don't have that file. that was my question.
[09:26] <gobbe> yes, then you create it
[09:26] <sgo11> I am wondering if I supposed to create the file by myself or the file should be created by the system.
[09:26] <gobbe> and add lines that are listed there
[09:26] <gobbe> no, you need to create it with editing :)
[09:27] <sgo11> gobbe, it writes "To enable automatic updates, edit /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic". but I don't have that file. that was my question.
[09:27] <sgo11> gobbe, sorry. something wrong with my xchat.
[09:27] <gobbe> :)
[09:28] <gobbe> so just open the file in editor, if you want you can cerate empty file before that ofcourse with touch
[09:28] <sgo11> gobbe, ok. thanks. that is the answer to my question. some guy should modify the serverguide, use the word 'create' instead of 'edit'. :) sure. I can create a new file. thanks for the help.
[09:29] <nei354> hi, im spanish, i need help on webmin and virtualhost, 3 domains, but only open 1...
[09:29] <sgo11> gobbe, btw, how can I check if unattended-upgrade service is running or not? I tried /etc/init.d/unattended-upgrades status. it doesn't support the option status.
[09:29] <gobbe> sgo11: well, you can edit the file even when it's not there, so basicly documentation is ok ;)
[09:31] <gobbe> sgo11: just restart it if you are not sure, it's jsut a python script
[09:32] <sgo11> gobbe, oh. it's a python script... let me read it. I am wondering who is reading the file 10periodic.
[10:21] <MTecknology> where's jdub.. :(
[10:21] <MTecknology> I need that rascal
[10:22] <MTecknology> Anyone else in here know anything about PlanetPlanet? I'm not figuring out why the div's aren't closing correctly - http://cache.gyazo.com/e01b784fff1158c42d93aadbf39fbd8f.png - my template: http://dpaste.com/288955/
[10:57] <mauser> Hello, I have an HP server with 4 xeons and 26 gigs of memory. I want to run virtualization server on it and I am not sure what kind of RAID scenario and FS to use. It is gonna be a general purpose virtualizations server. I guess I need a FS that can be expanded later, what can you recommend?
[11:01] <ivoks> grmph
[11:01] <ivoks> alias vim='sudo apt-get install vim ; vim'
[11:02] <ivoks> mauser: don't use FS at all
[11:02] <ivoks> mauser: use LVM and give your VMs logical volume
[11:18] <kim0> Hey guys, what's the best way to get kvm-0.13 on maverick ?!
[11:21] <mauser> ivoks, LVM does stripe only, right? do I need to use some sort of underlying redundancy tehnique, like RAID1?
[11:24] <ivoks> mauser: i wasn't talking about storage configuration, but VM configuration
[11:24] <ivoks> mauser: as for storage, you know what you have, now many disks you have and what raid would fit you best
[12:29] <jits> hi .. we have a ubuntu server machine which has dhcp running on it.. we want to ssh into one of the systems gettings its dhcp from outside the network .. .how can we do this ?
[12:38] <joschi> jits: just run sshd on that machine and connect with a ssh client to it (e. g. using its hostname or its IP address). ssh and dhcp really do not have much in common...
[12:38] <timo> jits: do you mean that your server machine acts as a dhcp server? or that it get its own IP address via DHCP and you need to find out what its external IP is?
[12:48] <jits> timo: server machine acts as dhcp server..
[12:48] <Patrickdk> he wants to ssh into basically a desktop machine behind the server machine
[12:48] <Patrickdk> so he needs to read the dhcp logs, or use nmap or something
[12:48] <jits> Patrickdk: yeah .. thats
[12:49] <jits> Patrickdk: i need to allow incoming ssh connection on the network gateway .. to all systems.. how do i do that ?
[12:50] <jits> Patrickdk: assuming that i know the target ip ..
[13:06] <twister004> hii guys.. is it possible to mount a network drive on a ubuntu server over the WAN?
[13:06] <twister004> please let me know
[13:09] <jits_> how do i allow ssh from outside thru my network gateway ?
[13:16] <xampart> jits_: securely? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=831372 worked for me
[13:22] <twister004> guys... anyway I can do this?
[13:22] <twister004> Im trying to mount it as nfs, cifs.. but it doesn't work
[13:23] <twister004> it says " wrong fs type, bad option, ......."
[13:24] <patdk-wk> first, what is a network drive? :)
[13:24] <twister004> i mean.. a drive connected and which has an IP on the subnet
[13:24] <patdk-wk> sftp? ftp? smb? nfs?
[13:24] <twister004> it's an NTFS drive
[13:24] <patdk-wk> you can't access ntfs over a network
[13:24] <twister004> I have mounted it on local subnet machines as nfs
[13:25] <patdk-wk> well, use a vpn
[13:57] <twister004> hi guys.. after making a change to the crontab... do i need to restart the cron service?
[13:58] <pmatulis> twister004: no
[13:58] <twister004> ok thanks pmatulis!!!
[14:03] <patdk-wk> no, as long as you used crontab to make the change :)
[14:04] <twister004> guys... what if I put a script under /etc/cron.d... do I have to restart the service...
[14:05] <twister004> im asking coz this is not working ... i have not restarted the service yet
[14:06] <ivoks> check syslog
[14:06] <ivoks> you probably have made a mistake
[14:07] <patdk-wk> oh, using the /etc/cron.* you don't have to touch cron at all :)
[14:07] <twister004> i have put in a script under /etc/cron.d/
[14:08] <twister004> How can i be sure if cron is checking for files under /etc/cron.d/?
[14:09] <patdk-wk> I wouldn't bother with that so much
[14:09] <patdk-wk>  Iwould bother checking your cron logfile
[14:09] <twister004> why so?
[14:09] <patdk-wk> to see what it says
[14:09] <ivoks> you can see by noticing a line RELOAD in syslog :)
[14:09] <twister004> patdk-wk... where is this log??
[14:10] <patdk-wk> depends on your syslog program
[14:10] <patdk-wk> normally /var/log/cron
[14:11] <twister004> there's no such file on my system
[14:13] <patdk-wk> looks to be logged in /var/log/syslog I guess, by default
[14:13] <twister004> guys.. i get  Error: bad username;
[14:13] <patdk-wk> well, fix it :)
[14:14] <twister004> what could it be?
[14:14] <patdk-wk> *bad username*
[14:14] <patdk-wk> pretty self explanitory there
[14:15] <twister004> the permissions are right... Im just pinging an IP in the script
[14:15] <patdk-wk> I bet you attempted to make a normal crontab file, instead of a cron.d type file
[14:15] <patdk-wk> so you screwed it up
[14:15] <patdk-wk> and forgot to put the username in it
[14:16] <twister004> ??
[14:24] <twister004> why can't ai create a normal script there?.. like in crontab?... please let me know... im new to this
[14:24] <pmatulis> twister004: pastebin your cron file for more assistance
[14:24] <pmatulis> twister004: (like pastebin.ca)
[14:25] <twister004> ok... http://pastebin.com/5RUkiqpJ... here it is
[14:25] <c0nv1ct> twister004, like patdk-wk said, you forgot the username
[14:25] <twister004> where do i put the username?
[14:26] <c0nv1ct> it is the field before the command
[14:26] <c0nv1ct> you should have other files in cron.d/ to use as a reference
[14:26] <Pici> I personally prefer putting stuff into my user's crontab, easier to manage that way.
[14:26] <twister004> yes
[14:27] <twister004> im refering to them.. after the time parameters, I see "root"?
[14:27] <c0nv1ct> Pici, that does make more sense in this case
[14:27] <c0nv1ct> twister004, yep, those are run as root
[14:27] <c0nv1ct> twister004, so why arent you using `crontab -e` like normal?
[14:27] <twister004> i thought of segregating
[14:27] <twister004> crontab works fine
[14:28] <c0nv1ct> but that is segregated...
[14:28] <twister004> i think I should go with crontab..
[14:28] <twister004> I'll take your advice!
[14:28] <twister004> thanks guys!!!
[14:34] <pmatulis> twister004: no offense, but next time -> http://tinyurl.com/25x9ave
[14:35] <patdk-wk> that reminds me, I need to reinstall rsync onto my phone
[14:39] <jits> hi .. i have a set of dhcp servers in range 10.1.0.x, and they dish out ips in 10.1.xx.yy range.. i want to ssh from one server's dhcp range to another server's dhcp range.. how do i do that ?
[14:40] <jits> i am able to ssh from the servers to each other's ip ranges, but not able to connect from dhcp ranges of each other ..
[15:26] <i0nic> has anyone sucessfully got duplicity working?
[15:37] <rigved> i0nic: ask your question (about whatever problem that you are having) and if someone knows the answer they'll reply.
[15:53] <pmatulis> is it possible to ensure a network-required upstart job (upon shutdown) will always have the network resources available?
[16:02] <ttx> Daviey: no meeting today ?
[16:05] <Daviey> ttx, i assumed there was going to be tbh
[16:05] <Daviey> anyone else here for the server meeting?
[16:08] <genii-around> pmatulis: Might want to enquire in #upstart channel
[16:09] <pmatulis> genii-around: thanks for the tip
[16:11] <cap_00> anyone know where i put the slaves configuration for a bond when i'm setting up bridged networking?
[16:11] <cap_00> i set the bond to manual but do i leave the slaves there?
[16:13] <patdk-wk> cap_00 same place you would always put them?
[16:14] <cap_00> i guess just didn't want to screw it up
[16:14] <cap_00> the example i'm following takes the eth0 and changes it to br0
[16:15] <cap_00> i have eth0 and eth1 in bond0 which i want to change to br0
[16:15] <cap_00> so are my bridge ports bond0? or eth0 and eth1?
[16:17] <patdk-wk> I dunno what you mean by *changes it*
[16:17] <patdk-wk> think of it as containers
[16:17] <patdk-wk> you don't change anything :)
[16:17] <patdk-wk> bond0 contains eth0 and eth1
[16:17] <cap_00> hmmm ok
[16:17] <patdk-wk> bond1 contains eth2 and eth3
[16:17] <patdk-wk> br0 contains bond0 and bond1
[16:17] <cap_00> so br0 will contain bond0?
[16:17] <cap_00> ok
[16:17] <patdk-wk> atleast, if that is how you want it :)
[16:17] <cap_00> yes
[16:18] <patdk-wk> if you want to bridge the bond of eth0 and eth1, yes
[16:18] <patdk-wk> after you contain an interface, you shouldn't use it directly
[16:19] <cap_00> so i should comment out auto bond0?
[16:19] <patdk-wk> no, you need it, in order to bridge it
[16:19] <patdk-wk> can't bridge bond0, if bond0 doesn't exist
[16:20] <genii-around> You might want to put a pre-up directive for br0 that checks bond0 is up
[16:21] <cap_00> oh ok good, i was just noticing that i had to comment out auto eth0 and eth1, but those are hardware devices which i guess will always exist
[16:21] <twister004> hii guys.. can I mount the same location(nfs mount) on many ubuntu servers?
[16:21] <cap_00> pre-up?
[16:21] <cap_00> in /etc/network/interfaces?
[16:24] <patdk-wk> twister004, as many as you have ip's
[16:24] <twister004> patdk-wk... it doesn't work!!
[16:24] <patdk-wk> lies :)
[16:24] <twister004> when I try mounting the same folder as an nfs mount on the 2nd machine, it hangs
[16:24] <patdk-wk> I have nfs mount connected to >130 servers :)
[16:25] <patdk-wk> that isn't an issue with mounting on multible machines
[16:25] <patdk-wk> but probably that machine isn't setup correctly
[16:25] <patdk-wk> I would be willing to bet, if you turned off the first one, that works, and tried the second one, it would still hang
[16:26] <cap_00> i have iface bond0 inet manual, should i add mtu 1454 to the end of that line?
[16:26] <patdk-wk> why would you use a small mtu on that?
[16:26] <patdk-wk> bond doesn't have any overhead
[16:26] <cap_00> i have no idea, i just found  that on google for a pre up on eth0
[16:27] <patdk-wk> must be someone bond'ing ipsec or something
[16:27] <twister004> patdk-wk.. when I umount it from the 1st, I can mount it on the second!!
[16:27] <cap_00> i'm guessing here, is it just as simple as pre-up ifconfig $IFACE ?
[16:28] <cap_00> before the auto br0?
[16:28] <patdk-wk> twister004, you have nat between them or something?
[16:28] <twister004> nop...
[16:30] <twister004> now it worked!!
[16:30] <twister004> thanks!
[16:34] <RoyK> perlverts of the world: Unite!
[16:57] <andres_> hi every body
[16:58] <andres_> i have a lexmark x1290 printer
[16:58] <andres_> i try to print, but it does not do nathing
[16:58] <andres_> i instaled the ppd file
[16:58] <andres_> but nathing
[16:58] <andres_> what can i do?
[17:06] <RoyK> andres_: eh... trying to print from a server or a desktop?
[17:06] <andres_> from a desktop
[17:09] <RoyK> wrong channel, then :P
[17:11] <andres_> crap
[17:15] <hggdh> apw: updated bug 690190
[17:16] <hggdh> apw: sorry, bug 684304
[17:17] <apw> hggdh, ok so other than the ftrace trace it booted ok ... so the next upstream update will fix that machine then, good
[17:17] <apw> hggdh, you are only getting the ftrace trace cause i am delivering 'old' kernels deliberatly to reduce the delta for testing
[17:18] <apw> hggdh, thanks
[17:18] <hggdh> apw: ah, OK. And with the hpsa module included in the d-i, we then should be good to go on a new ISO :-)
[17:18] <apw> hggdh, i think so yep
[17:19] <apw> hggdh, what is the deadline on the work there
[17:19] <hggdh> apw: this is a blocker for the UEC -- we cannot test any right now
[17:20] <hggdh> apw: so right now we are pretty much two milestones delayed
[17:20] <hggdh> (alpha1 and alpha2)
[17:20] <apw> hggdh, and will you be doing more testing before xmas?  as basically whatever i upload takes a day and then you wait for the next iso, so you'd not have it before the 23td i guess even if i start now
[17:20] <Ralchev> how to stop application which is running in the background? XD newbie question
[17:21] <hggdh> apw: I will at least load the machines -- if we find an issue, better sooner than later. So yes, I am expecting to work some next week
[17:21] <apw> Ralchev, if you mean from a foo & in a shell you can kill %N where N is the number it gave you when you started it
[17:22] <apw> hggdh, ok, i am expecting -rc7 shortly and would prefer to upload after that, but if its urgent i can do one before
[17:22] <Ralchev> apw, I haven't seen any number when I started it
[17:22] <apw> Ralchev, otherwise i would suggest #ubuntu as a good place for further questions not about server-y things
[17:22] <apw> Ralchev, jobs lists the ones you are running from 'this shell' and ps -ef will show you everything
[17:23] <wizardslovak> hello people
[17:23] <hggdh> apw: if shortly means we have the new ISO during next week, no probs, we can wait
[17:23] <wizardslovak> will ubuntu-server play nice with phenom 2 x4 920?
[17:23] <apw> hggdh, i'll have a look and make sure we have something in as soon as it makes sense
[17:24] <apw> cirtiainy before xmas so you have it in the gap
[17:24] <hggdh> apw: cool, thank you
[17:24] <apw> hggdh, if it occurs earlier i will let you know, i may do something today and damn the cost
[17:24] <hggdh> :-)
[17:24] <hggdh> pin me whenever, apw. Thank you very much, and sorry for the extra work
[17:25] <apw> hggdh, you arround for a bit if i make one last test kernel on the current base, may as well make sure it works before i push it
[17:25] <hggdh> s/pin/&g/
[17:25] <hggdh> apw: yes, I will be here, not even midday now (US Texas)
[17:26] <Ralchev> apw, PID is the number you're talking about?
[17:27] <apw> Ralchev, the number apw@dm$ sleep 10 &
[17:27] <apw> [1] 7851
[17:27] <apw> apw@dm$ jobs
[17:27] <apw> [1]+  Running                 sleep 10 &
[17:27] <apw> Ralchev, so the number i meant was the [1], that would be referred to as %1
[17:27]  * genii-around ponders fg and ^C
[17:27] <apw> the PID in ps would be used without a %
[17:30] <Ralchev> apw, thank you, rly good explanation
[17:52] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/3sFVcbHE  I got stuck here after linux image upgrade followed by reboot
[17:52] <axisys> any idea how to fix it?
[17:52] <axisys> main issue
[17:52] <axisys> ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/08febc85-9ce2-40ac-a354-e006f709a586 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[17:52] <axisys> right now I am in busybox initramfs
[17:56] <bogeyd6_> What is a faster way of deleting 75k+ files that doesnt involve formatting the file system?
[17:56] <bogeyd6_> rm -rf is very slow and has been running for 2 hours and not even 10-15% of the way through
[17:59] <pittstains> I'm running Lucid on a Dell PowerEdge 2650 and I'm having hard time getting USB drives recognized... any suggestions?
[18:09] <patdk-wk> bogeyd6, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M count=100
[18:09] <patdk-wk> but then you will have to make a new fs on that anyways
[18:09] <patdk-wk> only other thing you can really do is mount it ext2 mode, do it, then remount it back like normal
[18:22] <vraa> after running "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" how do i know if i have to restart or not
[18:24] <patdk-wk> I always took it as, apt-get upgrade, no restart, apt-get dist-upgrade = restart
[18:27] <jussi> hrm, is there a way to just add rights for a user to install and remove packages, but nothing else from sudo?
[18:29] <pittstains> jussi: try sudo visudo.  you may want to man visudo first
[18:29] <pittstains> the syntax escapes me at the moment
[18:30] <pittstains> HOWEVER, i'm pretty sure that if your user is smart enough they can become root by installing packages
[18:30] <jussi> pittstains: hrm
[18:30] <pittstains> so don't do it if you don't trust them!
[18:31] <jussi> pittstains: yeah, I ve a server which I give out a few shells on, and I rather not give full access, but I dont want to install packages for them all the time.
[18:47] <axisys> under(initramfs) ls /dev/md* does not show md0 (swap) or md1(root) device
[18:51] <genii-around> axisys: Ah, i think I see now your problem. The raid device has not yet an UUID to mount because initramfs was not updated with raid module built in
[18:51] <axisys> genii-around: so what do I do?
[18:52] <axisys> i cannot catch that grub menu.. too fast
[18:52] <axisys> timeout 0
[18:52] <axisys> hot esc couple times
[18:52] <axisys> hit*
[18:52] <axisys> then i could switch to the previous kernel
[18:52] <genii-around> axisys: Is the md1 root device a raid1 or some other raid?
[18:52] <axisys> raid1
[18:53] <axisys> md1 is raid1, md0 is raid1 (swap) and md10 data (raid10)
[18:53] <axisys> 2 disks for the md1 and md0 and the other 6 disks for data raid10
[18:54] <axisys> (initramfs) ls /dev/md*
[18:54] <axisys> /dev/md10
[18:57] <genii-around> axisys: Unfortunately to rebuild initramfs usually requires you to be already booted, etc. But you may be able to edit temporarily one of the boot raid1 to mount it''s own UUID, boot to that, then edit the i/etc/initramfs-tools/modules file for raid1 and then update-initramfs after
[18:58] <genii-around> axisys: Then it will either boot next time off the disk you already altered the UUID to be itself, or in best case the proper raid1
[18:58] <bluethundr> is there a fast, efficient way to screen shot using the command line in ubuntu?
[18:58] <axisys> (initramfs) ls /dev/disk/by-uuid
[18:58] <axisys> 9b3de848-b6e7-4c6b-9659-89875da35403
[18:58] <axisys> how do I find out which disk's uuid is that ?
[18:59] <axisys> that is the only uuid i see
[18:59] <axisys> found it
[18:59] <axisys> that is md10
[18:59] <axisys> (initramfs) ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/9b3de848-b6e7-4c6b-9659-89875da35403
[18:59] <axisys> lrwxrwxrwx    1 0        0              10 /dev/disk/by-uuid/9b3de848-b6e7-4c6b-9659-89875da35403 -> ../../md10
[18:59] <axisys> so how do I create the uuid for sda1 ?
[18:59] <axisys> genii-around: ^
[19:02] <RoyK> !pastebin
[19:04] <genii-around> axisys: does: blkid                       work under your initram-fs ?
[19:05] <genii-around> *busybox* rather
[19:07] <axisys> initramfs) blkid /dev/sda1
[19:07] <axisys> /dev/sda1: UUID="ad5e933e-d6bf-0df0-dac9-edcf54bcf06d" TYPE="linux_raid_member"
[19:07] <axisys> genii-around: looks like it did
[19:07] <axisys> but the TYPE is not ext4
[19:07] <axisys> should I be able to boot from it ?
[19:08] <genii-around> axisys: If you specify fs type explicitly in the old /etc/fstab, doesn't matter the partition type
[19:08] <axisys> genii-around: so how do I boot from this disk while at busybox
[19:08] <axisys> ?
[19:09] <RoyK> bluethundr: http://bisqwit.iki.fi/source/snapscreenshot.html
[19:10] <genii-around> axisys: busybox has some builtin commands. I think ed is one of them. So you can use ed (editor) directly on the old fstab file, put in the new UUID (or possibly uncomment it, if still there) , save, then reboot
[19:10] <axisys> genii-around: how to I access /etc/fstab ?
[19:12] <axisys> ed: not found
[19:12] <axisys> i were able to mount /dev/sda2 to /a
[19:12] <axisys> cd /a/etc
[19:12] <genii-around> axisys: mount /dev/sda1 (or whatever subcomponent drive of the old md1) /mnt
[19:12] <axisys> ed fstab did not work
[19:13]  * SpamapS watches his MySQL 5.5 packages build with gleeee
[19:14] <axisys> cat /a/etc/fstab and I see the fstab
[19:14] <axisys> it has sed .. that will be tough to replace UUID
[19:15] <RoyK> sed -i ?
[19:16] <genii-around> axisys: Alternately, you can try chroot into /a
[19:16] <genii-around> axisys: (where you should be able to run the system binaries there, like your favourite editor)
[19:17] <RoyK> probably a better idea, granted
[19:17] <SpamapS> wow.. 5.5 builds a lot faster than 5.1
[19:17] <SpamapS> already into tests
[19:18] <axisys> chroot /a is taking a while to get my prompt back
[19:27] <axisys> wow.. still waiting for the chroot /a to complete.. can't get out of it.. look like need to reboot
[19:27] <RoyK> SpamapS: considered trying postgresql?
[19:29] <Ferhat> anyone in the mood for helping me with an nfs problem?
[19:29] <Ferhat> :)
[19:30] <Ferhat> I'm able to mount an nfs filesystem after booting
[19:30] <Ferhat> but not via /etc/fstab for some reason
[19:32] <Ferhat> :\
[19:33] <axisys> genii-around: i were able to change the root device to sda2's uuid and still getting device not found error
[19:33] <axisys> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/BDcMQpDq
[19:34] <axisys> ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/08febc85-9ce2-40ac-a354-e006f709a586 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[19:34] <RoyK> hi all. I want to build this semi-secure setup of mine. I have a server at an ISP running Lucid, and I have a various number of computers around. I want to connect these to this server using (insertname)VPN and then let the traffic go unencrypted from the server. Which VPN solution would you recommend? It is important that this is supported for guests on win/mac/lin
[19:34] <axisys> i don't even have that UUID in my fstab
[19:34] <axisys> genii-around: ^
[19:34] <RoyK> axisys: replace the UUD with the device name - that works :)
[19:34] <RoyK> oh
[19:39] <axisys> that worked.. i am back in the OS now
[19:39] <axisys> eehaa!!
[19:39] <pittstains> ok, so I think I narrowed down the cause of my server not recognizing USB devices... lsmod shows that i'm missing the usbhid, hid, and usb_storage kernel modules
[19:40] <axisys> RoyK, genii-around : thank you both.. i still have lot of thinks need to be fixed..
[19:40] <pittstains> how do i add these in such a way that they are loaded at each boot?
[19:40] <axisys> first thing is the grub menu..
[19:41] <patdk-wk> pittstains, it should load them, when you plug in a usb keyboard/mount/drive
[19:41] <patdk-wk> via udev
[19:41] <patdk-wk> you can always dump them into /etc/modules though
[19:42] <pittstains> patdk-wk: it doesn't seem to be doing so...
[19:42] <pittstains> should i edit my grub menu and add them in there?  is that preferable to dumping stuff in /etc/modules
[19:43]  * patdk-wk wonders what grub menu has to do with kernel modules
[19:43] <patdk-wk> you mean add them into initrd? that is if you need them, in order to boot your computer
[19:43] <patdk-wk> still nothing to do with grub
[19:44] <pittstains> yes, i think that's what i meant
[19:44] <patdk-wk> your server won't boot without usbhid and usbstorage?
[19:45] <pittstains> yes it will; i didn't know that initrd was for stuff required in order to boot
[19:45] <pittstains> i thought it was for stuff you want loaded when you boot
[19:45] <patdk-wk> it's for stuff you need, mainly, to load your root drive ( / )
[19:46] <patdk-wk> like raid drivers, iscsi drivers, ...
[19:46] <axisys> any idea why /etc/fstab is empty now ?
[19:46] <axisys> is there a way to regenarate it ?
[19:52] <patdk-wk> just restore it from your backup
[19:53]  * RoyK waits for the "what backup?"
[19:54] <patdk-wk> hehe, I have learned due to other admins, basically keep /etc in some kind of revision tracking system
[19:55]  * RoyK is moving all he can over to zfs
[19:55] <pittstains> arg, so I did:
[19:55] <pittstains> $ sudo modprobe hid
[19:55] <pittstains> $ sudo modprobe usbhid
[19:55] <pittstains> $ sudo modprobe usb_storage
[19:55] <pittstains> $ lsusb
[19:55] <RoyK> !pastebin
[19:55] <pittstains> and all i get is a bunch of these: Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[19:56] <patdk-wk> you have any usb things plugged in?
[19:56] <pittstains> different bus IDs of course, just didn't want RoyK to yell at me again!
[19:57] <pittstains> yes i have a Maxtor external drive
[19:57] <pittstains> which automounts on my Linux laptop
[19:57] <pittstains> but doesn't show up at all on my server
[19:57] <patdk-wk> you have a dual power cord plugged into it?
[19:57] <patdk-wk> most likely the server isn't giving it a good 1amp of power
[19:57] <pittstains> good thinking
[19:57] <pittstains> i'll try that
[19:58] <patdk-wk> I wish they would make a usb hub, that give 1a or even 2a per port :(
[20:00] <pittstains> patdk-wk: still no love
[20:00] <pittstains> what's the best place to look for useful debugging?  dmesg?
[20:00] <patdk-wk> yep
[20:01] <pittstains> also, I am dumb; device has its own power supply :-)
[20:01] <patdk-wk> ah
[20:02] <axisys> i have huge issue .. md10 raid10 looks broken http://pastebin.com/ZjTuk2wj .. i am suppose to have a 6 disk raid10 .. i see four disks with md10 and a new raid md_d10 inactive with one of the two missing disks .. not sure where md_d10 came from .. i dont see sdc1
[20:02] <takamarou> Hi all.  I'm trying to set up some error catching pages on my apache server.  I've got it working for 404 errors, but I can't seem to make 500 errors work.  I completely copy and pasted the code from the ErrorDocument 404 line to the 500 line, but it still doesn't work.  Ideas?
[20:02] <axisys> in dmesg I see a message about sdc1 ..
[20:02] <axisys> md: export_rdev(sdc1)
[20:03] <genii-around> axisys: Apologies on lag, I am at work and it got busy. chroot managed but your fstab there was empty? That is very odd.
[20:03] <axisys> chroot did not work.. i used sed
[20:04] <axisys> but fstab is empty.. but i got a backup fstab.. not a problem..
[20:04] <axisys> big problem is md10 (raid10) data disk seems broken bad
[20:05] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/dhx7BZhi this dmesg says raid10: not enough operational mirrors for md10
[20:06]  * RoyK hums zfszfszfszfszfszfszfszfszfszfszfszfszfszfszfs
[20:06] <SpamapS> RoyK: I've used postgresql for a number of things
[20:06] <SpamapS> RoyK: mysql and postgres have their strengths and weaknesses. Like sledge hammers and claw hammers.. neither is perfect for every job
[20:07] <pittstains> patdk-wk: here are the last few lines from dmesg
[20:07] <pittstains> i'm not really sure how to read this, or what the numbers in brackets mean
[20:07] <pittstains> http://paste.ubuntu.com/546380/
[20:08] <RoyK> SpamapS: imho postgresql overgoes mysql in most ways, perhaps except for a miniature setup of wordpress or something
[20:09] <patdk-wk> pittstains, that doesn't show any usb things at all
[20:09] <patdk-wk> so no debug messages to help
[20:10] <patdk-wk> but something with youe firewire is going nuts, you sure you didn't use firewire to connect that drive?
[20:10] <apw> hggdh, ok the last test kernel is up
[20:11] <hggdh> apw: uectst4?
[20:11] <apw> hggdh, indeed
[20:11] <hggdh> apw: downloading it now, thanks
[20:12] <SpamapS> RoyK: the replication story on postgres is awful
[20:12] <SpamapS> RoyK: for ad hoc queries, its by far the best though
[20:13] <SpamapS> RoyK: also, at about 1000 concurrent clients postgres starts to have context switching problems that mysql sidesteps with threading. That is a rare case though.
[20:14] <pittstains> patdk-wk: i tried firewire with another drive last week and failed
[20:14] <SpamapS> RoyK: and your dismissal of mysql as "just for little sites" may suggest that you haven't tried it on a big site yet. ;)
[20:15] <SpamapS> RoyK: I've never seen postgres fail to deliver on everything it promises. Mysql just promises more, and occasionally fails. ;)
[20:24] <zul> occasionally?
[20:30] <hggdh> apw: boots without a hitch. I am uploading dmesg and lspci -vvvnn now
[20:30] <apw> hggdh, thanks
[20:36] <axisys> i got stuck back in the same place
[20:37] <axisys> my fstab looks just same
[20:38] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/vr87FDr2
[20:38] <axisys> but I still get ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/08febc85-9ce2-40ac-a354-e006f709a586 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[20:39] <axisys> (initramfs) cat /proc/cmdline
[20:39] <axisys> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-27-generic root=UUID=08febc85-9ce2-40ac-a354-e006f709a586 ro console=ttyS0,9600n8
[20:39] <axisys> so how do I change this root ?
[20:39] <axisys> why is it trying to pick /dev/md1's UUID when fstab says /dev/sda2
[20:45] <SpamapS> axisys: did you update-initramfs?
[20:45] <axisys> no
[20:45] <axisys> SpamapS: ^
[20:45] <axisys> SpamapS: after making the change to fstab ?
[20:46] <axisys> SpamapS: all i did is upgraded linux kernel from 2.6.32-26-generic to 2.6.32-27-generic .. and that broke it
[20:47] <axisys> so it could not find the md1 .. so I picked one of the mirror disk sda2 and were able to boot once..
[20:47] <axisys> to make sure fstab works i tried to reboot again and now it does not want to boot again
[20:48] <axisys> from busybox ls /dev/md* shows only the data disk md10 .. not md1 (root) or md0 (swap)
[21:33] <osmosis> how do I view the new changelog before installing an update?
[21:36] <soren> osmosis: apt-listchanges does some of that
[21:47] <hggdh> mathiaz: can you add jibel as a dev on the ubuntu-server-iso-tests?
[21:47] <axisys> i see initrd.img and initrd.img.old
[21:47] <axisys> should I swap them? will that fix my issue ?
[21:47] <axisys> same thing with vmlinuz
[21:48] <axisys> on /dev/sda2 root device
[21:48] <axisys> hmm busybox does not have unlink.. oh well
[21:49] <mathiaz> hggdh: I made you an administrator of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-iso-testing-dev
[21:51] <hggdh> mathiaz: oooohhhh
[21:51] <hggdh> mathiaz: thank you
[21:51] <mathiaz> hggdh: you're welcome!
[21:55] <RoyK> how can I rename a VM?
[21:55] <RoyK> doesn't look like it's possible from virt-manager
[22:06] <SpamapS> zul: tests still running..  UGH
[22:08] <SpamapS> Completed: Failed 1/1633 tests, 99.94% were successful.
[22:08] <SpamapS> damn
[22:08] <SpamapS> Spent 7586.540 of 10284 seconds executing testcases
[22:08]  * SpamapS thinks 3 nines is all mysql is used for anyway
[22:28] <mathiaz> kees: hi!
[22:28] <mathiaz> kees: what's the default shadow encrypting scheme in lucid?
[22:28] <mathiaz> kees: sha* something?
[22:29] <lenios> it's $6, so sha*
[22:31] <lenios> sha512
[22:31] <mathiaz> lenios: yop - thanks!
[22:39] <patdk-wk> shadow encrypting scheme, that is a new one
[22:39] <patdk-wk> default password hash :)
[22:40] <patdk-wk> sha512 with 8byte salt :)
[22:40] <patdk-wk> I have one thing that won't do 16byte salts, I should check to see if it does now, and upgrade all the hashs again
[23:07] <kieppie> hi guys. I'm having difficulty with file locks & I'm not entirely sure how to debug the issue.
[23:07] <kieppie> I have a number of users working with files remotely on an Ubuntu server over samba.  occasionally there's a "glitch" on the network (bit like a brown-out, but I'm unsure how to investigate), and the users with open files get locked out & they are unable to commit their changes, writes or saves to the open files, as the server reports that the file is locked open by another user, but in fact it's their interrupted session.
[23:07] <kieppie> What's wrong, what is the right way to address this & where should I look for more information. Also, how can I ascertain the case of the glitches?