[03:22] <wyoung> Any one in?
[03:47] <elky> do you have intentions of being constructive if there is?
[03:48] <elky> wyoung?
[09:11] <wyoung> elky: of course, assuming I don't get kicked out again
[11:31] <bazhang> wyoung, was there some assistance you needed here
[17:57] <DJones> Dealt with by freenode's sygn bot
[20:18] <elky> wyoung: we're not playing that game again, this channel isn't for lurking in. if you're not around, you'll get removed until you rejoin which shows us that you're around and thus responsive. if you can't stay responsive for a reasonable while after joining, don't join.
[20:20] <elky> thus if you don't respond in the next 10 minutes i will be removing you again.


[00:12] <daftykins> Azelphur: did you check the SMART table on that disk? :>
[00:12] <Azelphur> daftykins: NO, STAY AWAY FROM MY DRIVES
[00:13] <Azelphur> daftykins: hehe, yea I had a look, but it doesn't seem so bad
[00:14] <daftykins> :D
[00:14] <daftykins> fancy sharing a paste? :> smartctl -a /dev/sda naturally
[00:16] <Azelphur> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14500056/ opinions?
[00:16] <daftykins> oh SSD anyway
[00:25] <daftykins> small EVO :(
[00:25]  * diddledan EVO lves
[00:25] <daftykins> well as long as you keep it backed up :D
[00:26] <diddledan> I've got a 1TB EVO 840 and a 500GB EVO 850 :-p
[00:26] <daftykins> Azelphur: looks like you're behind on the firmware
[00:27] <Azelphur> diddledan: I've got 1TB EVO 850 and a 120GB 840 EVO
[00:27] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea, I've never upgraded it
[00:27] <daftykins> i'd be willing to bet that spot's charge dropped enough that it wasn't so easily readable, marking the disk as needing an fsck
[00:27] <daftykins> ah well the 840 EVOs had an issue identified that means the latest firmware periodically rewrites given cells to prolong/boost their readability
[00:28] <diddledan> yeah I upgraded the firmware on my 840
[00:28] <Azelphur> guess I should too
[00:28] <daftykins> that smartctl speaks of EXT0BB6Q whilst the site has EXT0DB6Q :>
[00:28] <daftykins> http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/downloads/software/Samsung_SSD_840_PRO_Series_DXM06B0Q_Win_Mac.iso
[00:29] <Azelphur> is it easy to upgrade the FW on a Linux machine?
[00:29] <diddledan> hmm
[00:29] <diddledan> no idea
[00:30] <daftykins> well that appears to be a bootable ISO
[00:30] <daftykins> i was on - http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/support/downloads.html
[00:48] <m0nkey_> I see Tim will be going for his spacewalk tomorrow :)
[00:48] <m0nkey_> Who'd ever think a Sussex born and bred lad would go up to the ISS.
[00:50] <arsenip> hah
[00:50] <arsenip> i met him once or twice ;d
[00:51] <m0nkey_> I don't have that sort of claim, I'm just proud that somebody from Sussex is now floating around in space :)
[00:55] <arsenip> well, i understan he was a good pilot, he was an apache test pilot on the base i was attached to.
[01:00] <daftykins> ooh
[01:00] <daftykins> fancy
[01:03] <arsenip> i assume apache anyway, there were only two army guys, and i met both - and we only had apaches at the time i think.
[01:03] <arsenip> anywho - pretty cool
[01:04] <arsenip> portsmouth uni alumni too, daftykins ;)
[01:05] <daftykins> that poor, poor...
[01:05] <daftykins> i'm amazed that wasn't an instant disqualification ;)
[01:06] <arsenip> hah.
[01:07] <diddledan> it's crazy that 8GB of ram isn't enough to run OSX with a windows 10 VM
[01:09] <daftykins> how is it not? that seems simple
[01:10] <diddledan> because with a 2GB VM I run out of ram
[01:11] <diddledan> i.e. my mac starts having issues with swapping and compressed ram
[01:11] <diddledan> and the "memory pressure" graph goes right to the top
[01:16] <daftykins> did you already have a tonne of junk running on the host?
[01:22] <diddledan> well I use the host for things, yeah
[01:22] <daftykins> not quite what i meant :P
[01:23] <diddledan> shutting everything I'm working with down just because I need a windows utility seems a bit... counter producting
[01:23] <diddledan> productive*
[01:24] <diddledan> there's no point it being a VM in that case, I might as well dual boot
[01:24] <daftykins> well it'd be pretty obvious based on use whether something is gonna work well or not isn't it
[01:24] <daftykins> time for more RAM :)
[01:24] <diddledan> yeah. more ram means new mac. these have the ram soldered on the board
[01:24] <daftykins> ah, they're evil for that
[01:25] <diddledan> I'm far too scared to consider resoldering! :-p
[01:26] <daftykins> i wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't even an option
[01:28] <daftykins> also what happened to that surface of yours? :)
[06:15] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:16] <bittin-> morning
[06:17] <MooDoo> upgradin to 16.04 :D
[06:22] <daftykins> D:
[06:22] <daftykins> bit early no?
[06:24] <MooDoo> daftykins: yeah probably, but hay what the hell, i'm a nutter :D
[06:42] <daftykins> proper temperature drop today
[06:52] <knightwise> morning
[06:53] <daftykins> sooo openssh to patch
[07:22] <mapps> hi all
[08:23] <MooDoo> howdy mapps
[09:20] <davmor2> Morning all happy Friday
[09:34] <MooDoo> anyone going for IRC council membership?
[09:35] <zmoylan-pi> irc is organised?!  Happy Friday, and happy Hat Day! 😃  🎩
[10:11] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 JamesTait
[10:11] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:12] <MooDoo> popey: OMG it's over 9000 :)
[10:12] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[10:13] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:17] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm :)
[10:18] <bigcalm> o/
[10:25] <MooDoo> :)
[10:26] <foobarry> the evernote login page really annoys me
[10:26] <foobarry> they never remember your settings and have these annoying people with gummy smiles
[10:28] <davmor2> JamesTait: here is an odd one for your day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3l0kpl5tA4
[10:29] <popey> foobarry, ditto
[10:32] <JamesTait> davmor2, marks for originality.
[10:33] <davmor2> JamesTait: trying for a nice tune with a hat that wasn't obvious :) That one sprang to mind :D
[10:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: I think not playing anything by men without hats is a good bet too
[10:36] <davmor2> JamesTait: that is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NytXT-U-tg
[10:47] <davmor2> there is even
[10:52] <foobarry> has anyone come across guix?
[10:53] <foobarry> its an alternate package manager and software distribution that sits under its own tree
[10:53] <foobarry> allegedly useful for providing up to date gnu binaries on centos
[10:53] <foobarry> which are sometimes required to build stuff
[11:00] <popey> yeah, vaguely
[11:00] <popey> based on Nix isn't it?
[11:01] <foobarry> i dunno. users are asking for it for hpc
[11:02] <foobarry> a bit wary if they use guix tools as dependency for their tools, due to their continuous updating nature
[11:04] <davmor2> foobarry: would likely cause a lot of system issues if they suddenly land gcc5 on a system built for 4.x too maybe
[11:04] <foobarry> its all contained in one fieltree
[11:04] <foobarry> and doesn't touch /usr/
[11:05] <foobarry> however i'm rather wary of it all
[11:07] <diplo> I'd be setting up a VM test and try it out myself
[11:07] <foobarry> its rather a long term concern
[11:07] <foobarry> and how users will depend on it
[11:08] <foobarry> http://elephly.net/posts/2015-04-17-gnu-guix.html
[11:08] <foobarry> this guy is for it
[11:09] <foobarry> however his arguments for it seem also to be the arugments against it
[11:09] <diplo> Is it defo needed though or a ncie to have I guess is the point you need to decide on
[11:09] <foobarry> we provide updated versions of tools manually via modules commands
[11:10] <foobarry> its kind of the devops side effect of users wanting more while bypassing the ops guys
[11:10] <diplo> So a very very very quick overview, it basically lets users run new versions of stuff but not affect others
[11:10] <diplo> Doing things like virtualenv etc
[11:11] <foobarry> provides newest gnu packages that might not be in your distro
[11:11] <foobarry> however we do a lot of that ourselves via modules
[11:13] <diplo> It sounds to me like you're on your way to doing what is required, just need to keep on top of it for them and over what they need?
[11:13] <foobarry> i think the solution probably lies in understanding their requirements better
[11:13] <foobarry> what tools they claim to require
[11:20] <diplo> yeah I was meant to put that at the end of my sentence :D
[12:00] <foobarry> vagrant .deb is 70MB !!
[12:00] <foobarry> what the heck is in there
[12:20] <andylockran> hwody
[12:24] <davmor2> andylockran: Hwody right back at ya :)
[12:33] <MooDoo> davmor2: oi I'm the howdy man around here :p
[12:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's fine I didn't steal your thunder I said Hwody not Howdy :P
[12:34] <andylockran> davmor2: hows things?
[12:35] <davmor2> andylockran: good thanks and for you?
[12:37] <MooDoo> lol
[12:51] <andylockran> yeah, I'm all super dooper.
[12:51] <andylockran> Started a new job
[12:52] <andylockran> got approached for web manager @ Canonical but it didn't get anywehere :(
[13:05] <popey> :(
[13:05] <foobarry> did they say why andylockran
[13:12] <MooDoo> andylockran: what you doing now out of interest?
[13:36] <andylockran> MooDoo: contracting: www.lockran.com
[13:36] <andylockran> :)
[13:37] <andylockran> currently working in an innovation role
[14:15] <foobarry> accidentally farted out loud in the office
[14:15] <foobarry> thought it was gonna be quiet
[14:18] <popey> cool story bro
[14:28] <foobarry> you're welcome
[14:51] <diddledan> foobarry: well done!
[15:29] <foobarry> is the kindle fire stick basically a chromecast?
[15:30] <foobarry> doesn't seem to have youtube on it though
[15:32] <popey> yeah, can't play amazon video on chromecast, and can't play google stuff on amazon fire
[15:33] <foobarry> sucks
[15:33] <popey> mind you, my chromecast isn't needed much now i have a telly that has smarts
[15:34] <foobarry> i am slowly converting all my dvds
[15:34] <foobarry> my dvd shelf is really hard to access
[16:11] <Laney> I prefer using the Chromecast over Samsung's shitty smart TV OS
[16:12] <Laney> They keep forcing their partner apps onto it
[16:12] <Laney> displacing the things I actually want to be easily accessible
[16:15] <foobarry> i have £15 to spend on goog play
[16:15] <foobarry> can't think of anything i want
[16:32] <Myrtti> books
[16:32] <Myrtti> lots of books
[16:32] <Myrtti> that's where most of my goog money goes
[16:37] <foobarry> i've been reading the same book for a while
[16:37] <foobarry> bit of a long read, but a goody
[16:37] <foobarry> enigma by hug sebag montefiore
[16:37] <foobarry> the ultimate story of enigma and cool naval battles
[16:43] <zmoylan-pi> try master and commander series. the author took all the engagements from naval records from napolean wars
[16:50] <bigcalm> FreeSat box has a Netflix app. I hope it gets an Amazon Prime video app soon
[16:51] <bigcalm> Now that I've been using Amazon Prime Video for a bit, I think that there was more available on  Netflix that interested me
[16:56] <diplo> Just got Netflix myself today
[16:57] <diplo> And national trust membership :)
[17:00] <bigcalm> We have life time NT membership. Very worth while investment
[22:19] <brobostigon> any insight, i own two openpgp smartcards, and when i try and sign something, it always ask for one specific card, and wont allow me to choose which it uses, any ideas why, please.


 It will there in time for DMB to look at ;)
[20:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: I don't blame you. I don't know why we have so much red tape in this distro to begin with.
[20:25] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: because a lot of business, organisations, scientists, and even sometimes government, trust it to run their stuff. so who gets to upload is a BIG deal
[20:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's fair.
[20:27] <RikMills> but I hate admins as it is admin, not because it is unneeded
[20:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, true, same.


[01:49] <wgrant> StevenK: wallyworld mentioned on the call that you probably forgot to remove the feature flags from sampledata
[01:49] <StevenK> Drag
[01:49] <StevenK> *Drat
[01:53] <wallyworld_> wgrant: with the change to give all new projects default sharing policies, setPrivateBugs() become irrelevant and broken. so i think i should remove it
[01:53] <wallyworld_> or wil that break apport?
[01:53] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Things that test private_bugs behaviour (which is still important, not for apport but for all unmigrated projects) will have to setBugSharingPolicy(None) first
[01:54] <wallyworld_> there's a garbo job which has migrated all projects except a few commercial ones
[01:54] <wgrant> private_bugs/setPrivateBugs will die with BVP
[01:54] <wgrant> Sure
[01:54] <wgrant> And the commercial ones are the ones that use private_bugs :)
[01:55] <wallyworld_> hmm. ok. will set to None
[01:55] <wgrant> If it was killable already, it would be dead already :)
[01:55] <wgrant> But sadly not quite yet
[01:55] <wallyworld_> yeah, me got a lot of test failures related to all this to fix :-(
[02:03] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Not tooo many things should use setPrivateBugs
[02:04] <wallyworld_> it's more than just that
[02:04] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Most will probably be fixed by fixing makeProduct, I suspect
[02:04] <wallyworld_> bvp stuff fails too etc
[02:04] <wgrant> Ah, true
[02:14] <wgrant> StevenK: Hm, why does lib/deb822.py still exist?
[02:14] <wgrant> It's a broken symlink now
[02:14] <wgrant> Did you miss it in your cleanup?
[02:16] <StevenK> Hmm
[02:16] <StevenK> Seems I did, indeed
[02:19] <StevenK> Sigh, I bet https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/feature-flags-sampledata is cursed.
[02:21] <wgrant> [2012-08-29 02:03:46,105: INFO/PoolWorker-2] Job resulted in OOPS: OOPS-f59d1eb05281222ebbe8ce921e02b2d8
[02:21] <wgrant> d
[02:21] <wgrant> cursed indeex
[02:31] <wgrant> StevenK: Well
[02:31] <wgrant> StevenK: I was going to say that was a trivial self-review
[02:31] <wgrant> But you made a mistake :P
[02:31] <StevenK> :-(
[02:31] <StevenK> I was like "Green? There's not supposed to be any green in this branch ... Oh."
[02:32] <wgrant> Ah
[02:32] <wgrant> I see the next rev
[02:32] <wgrant> heh
[02:32] <StevenK> That's better, +0, -3
[02:35] <StevenK> wgrant: So now you've made fun of me for it, are you going to review it, or shall I self-review?
[02:36] <wgrant> That's a self-review if I ever saw one
[03:44] <lifeless> jam: what tz are you now?
[03:55] <bigjools> lifeless: he's +4
[03:56] <lifeless> noice
[03:56] <lifeless> halfway to a good place  :)
[04:59] <jam> lifeless: +4
[04:59] <jam> morning, btw
[05:00] <wallyworld_> StevenK: auditor broke db_devel again :-( i need to land a branch to devel but have to wait till db devel is restarted with a testfix or completes fully?
[05:02] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Force, wait 10 minutes, land
[05:02] <wgrant> No need for a testfix or a green run
[05:03] <wallyworld_> ok, will do, ta
[05:03] <StevenK> wallyworld_: The new auditor wasn't in that db-devel run
[05:03] <wallyworld_> ah ok, explains it.
[05:03] <wallyworld_> were you going to land a testfix for it?
[05:03] <StevenK> devel finally passed, so it will be in the next build after buildbot-poller actually merges in stable.
[05:04] <wallyworld_> which will be when do we know?
[05:04] <StevenK> PQM probably rejected it due to db-devel being broken
[05:04] <StevenK> Force a build of db-devel
[05:04] <wallyworld_> ok
[05:05] <StevenK> Bleh, new auditorfixture
[05:06] <StevenK> r15871 has hit stable at least.
[05:07] <StevenK> Now to wait for the 8 revisions to be merged into db-devel
[05:07] <StevenK> Hmmmmm
[05:08] <jam> bigjools: /wave for being online
[05:09] <bigjools> hi jam
[05:09] <bigjools> gimme 5 mins and I'll grab you
[05:09] <StevenK> bigjools: Hahaha. Grab him where?
[05:13] <lifeless> jam: o/ :)
[05:15] <StevenK> Come *ON* buildbot-poller
[05:16] <lifeless> jam: its probably faster to do remote hands (tuolumne)
[05:20] <bigjools> jam: ok, hangout?
[05:28] <jam> bigjools: sure on the hangout, let me grab the camera
[05:28] <StevenK> RARGH
[05:28] <StevenK> buildbot-poller only merges if both builds worked
[05:30] <wgrant> Yes
[05:30] <jam> bigjools: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/70125daf3bc2bab87f46d925ed9e5fc229cdf07e?authuser=0&hl=en#
[05:31] <wallyworld_> StevenK: so pqm is ignoring my lp-land and not even sending back hate mail. is that expected?
[05:33] <StevenK> Haven't seen anything in the pqm logs
[05:33] <StevenK> But archvsync is still chewing on my request
[05:36] <wallyworld_> but lp-land should be expected to work right now i think?
[05:36] <wgrant> yes
[05:37] <wgrant> Which branch?
[05:37] <wgrant> new-project-sharing-policies-1040989
[05:37] <wgrant> ?
[05:38] <wallyworld_> no, branch-infotype-portlet2-1040999
[05:39] <wgrant> Hm
[05:39] <wgrant> No conflicts
[05:39] <wgrant> How many times have you tried to land it?
[05:39] <wallyworld_> 3 maybe
[05:39] <wgrant> :(
[05:39] <wgrant> One more time for good luck?
[05:39] <wallyworld_> once when it complained about a testfix, 2 since after forcing bb
[05:39] <wallyworld_> ok, here goes....
[05:39] <StevenK> How long after forcing buildbot?
[05:40] <wgrant> It should have been fine after the first */10 after the forcing
[05:41] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/shift-get_distroseries_pofiles/+merge/121751
[05:42] <wallyworld_> wgrant: yeah, i waited maybe 20 minutes
[05:42] <bigjools> jam: you're frozen
[05:42] <wgrant> wallyworld_: :(
[05:42] <wallyworld_> wgrant: and lestest attempt, nothing
[05:42] <wallyworld_> i gotta go get the kid, back soon
[05:43] <wgrant> wgrant@carob:~$ rsync prasé::
[05:43] <wgrant> rsync: getaddrinfo: pras\#303\#251 873: Name or service not known
[05:43] <wgrant> fail
[05:44] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Hm, it's either hung or a wallyworld-denier
[05:45] <wgrant> I see nothing in its logs from you in more than 50 minutes
[05:45] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Ah
[05:45] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Landed just now
[05:46] <StevenK> Ah ha! It was waiting for wallyworld_ to be AFK.
[06:02] <StevenK> wgrant: No review for me? :-(
[06:03] <wgrant> StevenK: Where's the cleanup?
[06:03] <wgrant> Adding more methods to DistroSeries is probably not removing tech debt.
[06:05] <StevenK> wgrant: Destroying half of a translations module doesn't do it for you?
[06:07] <StevenK> wgrant: I'd argue that they probably belonged their to begin with
[06:08] <wallyworld_> well, next time something fails, i'm going away again and it wil work
[06:08] <wgrant> StevenK: Adding app-specific stuff to registry modules when it can be avoided makes me a very sad panda
[06:09] <StevenK> Obviously, -60 doesn't make you happy either
[06:09] <wgrant> model/distroseries.py is already 1800 lines long
[06:10] <wgrant> -60 is nice
[06:10] <wgrant> But bloating (I)DistroSeries is less so
[06:10] <StevenK> wgrant: Then where?
[06:11] <wgrant> IVPOExportSet? :P
[06:12] <StevenK> Bleh
[06:12]  * StevenK deletes the MP
[06:12] <wgrant> Code reduction is nice, but Distribution/DistroSeries/Archive/Person are already huge
[06:12] <wgrant> We need a better solution than just adding every method in the application to them
[06:13] <lifeless> stop using subclassing ?
[06:13] <wgrant> lazr.restful
[06:16] <jam1> bigjools: it seems to be fairly specific to g+, do you want to try the hangout without video, or maybe mumble?
[06:16] <wallyworld_> StevenK: wgrant: did you guys find any more email addresses on dogfood?
[06:17] <bigjools> jam1: looks like your whole internets given the disconnection from irc!
[06:17] <jam> bigjools: well, hangouts triggers the disconnect.
[06:17] <bigjools> I don't have mumble set up on here.  I think we're pretty much done for now, perhaps you can try out the code and that'll generate more questions
[06:18] <bigjools> yeah I guess they don't like all the bandwidth it seems to eat
[06:19] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Wasn't there only one missing?
[06:20] <wallyworld_> wgrant: not sure. i thought there were a few but could be wrong
[07:47] <adeuring> good morning
[08:29] <jelmer> mgz: done now
[08:31] <mgz> ta.
[08:57] <bigjools> Given a base url like http://host/path and an additional path/to/thing, what would you use in Python to join them? Yes, this is a trick question.
[08:59] <wgrant> bigjools: urlparse.urljoin, as long as the first URL has a trailing /
[09:01] <bigjools> bzzzzzzzzzt
[09:01] <bigjools> wrong
[09:02] <wgrant> Oh?
[09:02] <bigjools> >>> urljoin("http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS/", "/api/thing")
[09:02] <bigjools> 'http://<IP_ADDRESS>/api/thing'
[09:02] <wgrant> Well, yes, if the path is absolute :)
[09:02] <bigjools> this is the trick part :)
[09:02] <wgrant> But yours wasn't
[09:02] <nigelb> wait, what is the trick part?
[09:02] <bigjools> aha stripping the leading / from the path works
[09:02] <wgrant> >>> os.path.join('where/did/this/go', '/hello/there')
[09:02] <wgrant> '/hello/there'
[09:04] <bigjools> nigelb: the trick is that if you have a leading slash on the path part it doesn't work
[09:05] <wgrant> It trips everyone up, but it is consistent with other path handling and sort of makes sense.
[09:05] <nigelb> oh wow. I totally didn't notice that :)
[09:06] <bigjools> it's a nasty trap for URLs
[09:06] <bigjools> makes total sense for is.path though
[09:06] <bigjools> os.path, even
[10:36] <adeuring> what does this buildbot failure http://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/builders/lucid_db_lp/builds/2252 mean?
[10:41] <wgrant> adeuring: There's a new version of auditorfixture that will hopefully fix that spurious failure
[10:41] <adeuring> wgrant: thanks
[10:41] <wgrant> It should be in the next db-devel build
[10:41] <mgz> how do I unbreak my copy of launchpad today? <http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1173583/>
[10:42] <wgrant> bin/buildout
[10:42] <wgrant> mgz: ^^
[10:42] <wgrant> Or just make
[10:42] <mgz> ta.
[10:45] <mgz> so, basically I need to run make after bzr switch before running bin/test? I will get used to this in the end...
[10:46] <wgrant> If you're changing between trees of significantly different versions, yes.
[10:46] <wgrant> You do need to rebuild :)
[10:48] <mgz> too used to either python, where you don't, or C, where the way you run tests builds as a side-effect anyway
[10:48] <wgrant> You do in Python unless you have modules installed system-wide.
[10:48] <wgrant> Which is becoming a rarity
[10:48] <wgrant> buildout and pip have this same problem
[10:48] <wgrant> and virtualenv
[11:04] <jam> mgz: any luck with the ppa updates?
[11:05] <mgz> jam: no, we need some major packaging changes
[11:06] <mgz> see the log from yesterday morning, maxb suggested a few things
[11:10] <jam> mgz: "we need major changes" means we should bring up the idea of just going to P w/ flacoste
[11:15] <mgz> jam: I think so, yes, but lifeless wasn't keen
[11:16] <jam> mgz: I'm not specifically keen, but if it is 'spend another 2 weeks sorting out py2.7 on lucid' vs, 'slowly migrate one appserver at a time to P' where the latter is where we want to be anyway...
[11:18] <jam> mgz: I really like the idea of every step being something we can easily roll back, but remember my "installing py2.7 seems tractable"
[11:18] <jam> if that part is invalidated
[11:34] <mgz> okay, lib/lp_sitecustomize.py is what made this so confusing
[11:35] <mgz> ...why is all that work being done pre-normal imports?
[11:37] <jam> mgz: bin/py does not load 'site.py' the regular python site package, instead it uses a custom site.py so that it *only* loads eggs from the buildout location.
[11:37] <jam> to promote isolation from the system.
[11:38] <mgz> sure, but that's site.py
[11:38] <mgz> this sitecustomize.py stuff is all just working around zope being weird and (failing to) silence various loggers
[11:38] <mgz> and importing a barrel of cruft in the process
[11:41] <mgz> deliberately importing bzrlib plugins before script execution seems to serve no purpose, and breaks our api version check stuff
[12:56] <Beret> wgrant, just an FYI, the landscape project wasn't changed to proprietary by SQL
[12:56] <Beret> wgrant, I did it yesterday, so I think we hit a bug
[12:56] <Beret> (I just read the backlog of your conversation with fcorrea)
[12:58] <wgrant> Beret: Around what time did you do it, do you recall?
[12:58] <wgrant> 'cause when I set it away and back to the same setting, it worked fine.
[12:58] <wgrant> Hmmm
[12:59] <Beret> I would guess around 22:00 GMT
[12:59] <wgrant> Thanks
[12:59] <Beret> I'm not certain I just knowit was later in the day
[12:59] <Beret> after the email went out
[13:04] <wgrant> Beret: Ah, found the bug
[13:04] <wgrant> A cleanup job is being a tad aggressive
[13:06] <Beret> sweet
[13:06] <wgrant> Only affects the initial setup, before there are any new bugs or branches
[13:32] <deryck> abentley, ping for standup
[13:32] <abentley> deryck: Sorry, having trouble with it on this machine.  Can you please invite me and I'll answer on my phone?
[13:32] <deryck> abentley, sure
[13:50] <rick_h_> abentley: that makefile update looks good from here. Thanks for that. Did you want to submit that?
[14:24] <wgrant> abentley: Hi, do you have a few minutes to review https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bug-1043319/+merge/121874 shortly? It's a pretty simple regression fix for the sharing migration that I'd like to get landed tonight.
[14:25] <abentley> wgrant: certainly.
[14:25] <wgrant> Bah
[14:25] <wgrant> Curtis beat you to it
[14:25] <wgrant> Even though he's not here
[14:25] <wgrant> this week
[14:25] <wgrant> Bad sinzui
[14:26] <wgrant> Thanks anyway :)
[14:26] <abentley> wgrant: np
[14:30] <abentley> rick_h_: Sure, I'll get that in.
[15:27] <abentley> rick_h_: Whenever you're ready for a review: https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/makefile-tweak/+merge/121885
[15:32] <rick_h_> abentley: r=me thanks for the fix
[23:13] <wgrant> StevenK: Morning
[23:13] <StevenK> wgrant: O hai
[23:13] <wgrant> StevenK: Can you QA your rev?
[23:13] <wgrant> And I will QA my fix
[23:13] <wgrant> And then we can deploy the bugfix
[23:13] <StevenK> I am in the middle of doing so
[23:14] <wgrant> thanks
[23:16] <wgrant> StevenK: Did you see the garbo bug?
[23:16] <wgrant> Quite amusing
[23:16] <StevenK> wgrant: Not I recall
[23:17] <wgrant> launchpad.net/bugs/1043319
[23:17] <wgrant> dammit firefox
[23:17] <_mup_> Bug #1043319: UnusedSharingPolicyPruner doesn't preserve permitted access policies <disclosure> <qa-needstesting> <regression> <sharing> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by wgrant> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043319 >
[23:17] <wgrant> stop pruning schemes
[23:20] <StevenK> wallyworld_: Did you cast your eyes over qas sharing?
[23:23] <wallyworld_> StevenK: yes, looks ok
[23:33] <StevenK> wgrant: Just waiting for your QA and we can deploy
[23:34] <wgrant> Great
[23:35] <StevenK> And I have a row ready to paste into LPS.


[23:16] <usr13> iceroot: I'm amazed.  (I've never been wrong!:)
[23:16] <dynesh> usr13: do not edit this by hand
[23:16] <jdcm> :( but i dont have a usb that can have  all mi files
[23:16] <jdcm> ok guys, now i want to know something
[23:17] <usr13> dynesh: Ok, then you DO have the file.  Edit it and place the line in it   nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>  (As the only nameserver line)
[23:17] <everydaylinuxuse> how much data do you have jdcm
[23:17] <jdcm> if i want instal in linux a program from windows how can i do it?
[23:17] <jdcm> i dont know man
[23:17] <usr13> dynesh: gksudo gedit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[23:17] <jdcm> install*
[23:17] <MonkeyDust> jdcm  use wine
[23:18] <iceroot> !wine | jdcm
[23:18] <usr13> dynesh: And be sure that /etc/resolv.conf  has at least the first nameserver line with address of <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:18] <jdcm> ok wine help me to install all programs from windows?
[23:18] <MonkeyDust> jdcm  not all
[23:18] <MonkeyDust> !appdb | jdcm
[23:18] <usr13> dynesh: (For some reason, your friend's router is not giving out complete IP information)
[23:19] <thufir_> how do I install apache derby ij?  I downloaded derby and installed it to /opt as per http://db.apache.org/derby/papers/DerbyTut/install_software.html  but now what values do I put into /etc/environment?  the apache directions aren't ubuntu specific, they just say "$ export CLASSPATH=$DERBY_INSTALL/lib/derby.jar:$DERBY_INSTALL/lib/derbytools.jar:." but I don't know how to set the path in /etc/environment so that it "keeps"
[23:19] <iceroot> jdcm: you mean from your existing windows-installation? or general how to install a program which is designed for windows on GNU/Linux?
[23:20] <usr13> jdcm: Did you state your question wrong?
[23:20] <MonkeyDust> jdcm  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows
[23:20] <liox_> help me plis
[23:21] <Moonlightning> !ask | liox_
[23:21] <MonkeyDust> liox_  start with a question
[23:21] <ratbert90> does anybody know how to log both printks and output of a command to a log file using bash?
[23:21] <dynesh> usr13:
[23:21] <liox_> ok
[23:21] <dynesh> the file doesnt have any nameserver line
[23:21] <ratbert90> I can have bash log the output of my command, but the command invokes a bush of printks which aren't logged
[23:21] <usr13> dynesh: Add one
[23:22] <iceroot> ratbert90: command 2> file.txt
[23:22] <ratbert90> iceroot, that works for logging the command, but not the printk's that are invoked
[23:22] <iceroot> ratbert90: the ones which are not picked up at the moment are on STDERR and not STDOUT and > is only covering STDOUT
[23:23] <dynesh> usr13: yep added
[23:23] <usr13> dynesh: You can try and disconnect from the network and re-connect again, but if the router did not give complete IP information before, I doubt that it will now.  So....
[23:23] <usr13> dynesh: Ok does it work?  host av.com
[23:23] <cheus> Is there a way to disable the lock-screen behaviour when a monitor powers down?
[23:23] <usr13> dynesh: or    ping -c3 av.com
[23:23] <dynesh> usr13: no
[23:24] <usr13> dynesh: Did you add line to the /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head file?    nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:24] <dynesh> usr13: it says, ping:unknown host av.com
[23:25] <usr13> dynesh: ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:25] <liox_> I was updating my vps with ubuntu server and the following message appears: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1163540/
[23:25] <dynesh> usr13: let me try to disconnect it and reconnect once?
[23:25] <usr13> dynesh: Does that ^^^  ping?
[23:25] <liox_> plis help me
[23:26] <usr13> liox_: Is this a server of some kind?  Like a mail server?
[23:26] <dynesh> it again says, net unreachable
[23:26] <dynesh> let me disconnect and try again
[23:27] <usr13> liox_: Why are you trying to install clamav ?
[23:28] <dynesh> usr13 : mission failed...still no connectivity, inspit the fact that wifi strength is full
[23:29] <usr13> Can someone pastebinit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head  so we can see what it is supposed to look like?
[23:29] <liox_> usr13: yes this installed on my vps with ispconfig am trying to update the server and this message
[23:30] <usr13> dynesh: ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS>   #Does it ping?
[23:30] <usr13> dynesh: ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS>   #Does it ping?
[23:31] <W4sp> usr13: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1163559/
[23:31] <dynesh> usr13: it still says, net unreachable, 100% packetloss
[23:32] <W4sp> usr13: It is 12.04 as dynesh has.
[23:34] <dynesh> usr13: any hope? any idea? guys im sorry if im eating ur time off..
[23:35] <W4sp> dynesh: My guess is that usr13 is something looking up for you.
[23:36] <dynesh> W4sp : i hope something turns out good...thanks by d way
[23:36] <liox_> usr13: another message when trying to install PHP PEAR: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1163562/
[23:37] <W4sp> dynesh: He'll sort it. :-)
[23:37] <usr13> dynesh: No, that's ok.
[23:38] <dynesh> usr13: :)
[23:38] <trism> liox_: do you have apt-listchanges installed? if so just press q and you should be able to upgrade
[23:38] <ratbert90> ok, different question.    Is there a way to log both and save them in a single file?
[23:38] <usr13> dynesh: There should be some way to fix it, but I did not know that Ubuntu 12.04 had changed.  Someone please tell dynesh how to manually insert the nameserver IP.
[23:39] <usr13> dynesh: Did you add line to the /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head file?    nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:40] <dynesh> usr13, yes i did
[23:41] <dynesh> usr13, now when i tried cat /etc/resolv.conf its nameserver is <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:41] <Aikar> hi, firefox on ubuntu specific question -- my firefox always opens a new window to the homepage when i click on links in other apps, i use to have the issue where it used %u and fixed that by changing to %s in my launchers, and it worked for a while, now this
[23:41] <usr13> W4sp: I just now saw your post,  (had to run next door).  So, that file is NOT where the nameserver IP is kept.
[23:42] <usr13> dynesh: Just edit /etc/resolv.conf file and place nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>  in it (as the only nameserver line).
[23:42] <mamece2> Ive set a hotspot in my laptop, to share wireless internet, two different wireless controllers. I have connected my Iphone to the new hotspot but i cant get IP address
[23:42] <usr13> dynesh: And then do:  ping -c3 av.com   #tell us if it pings.
[23:44] <usr13> dynesh: gksudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf     #So that you have only one nameserver line:  nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:44] <dynesh> usr13: it is the only line there already
[23:44] <dvdpullmalbogdan> anipanambeanablindfaithbitterpilltrisfineybray
[23:44] <dvdpullmalbogdan> anipanambeanablindfaithbitterpilltrisfineybray
[23:44] <dvdpullmalbogdan> anipanambeanablindfaithbitterpilltrisfineybray
[23:44] <dvdpullmalbogdan> anipanambeanablindfaithbitterpilltrisfineybray
[23:44] <FloodBot1> dvdpullmalbogdan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:44] <dynesh> usr13: but still not pinging
[23:44] <dvdpullmalbogdan> anipanambeanablindfaithbitterpilltrisfineybray
[23:44] <dvdpullmalbogdan> anipanambeanablindfaithbitterpilltrisfineybray
[23:44] <usr13> dynesh: ping -c3 av.com
[23:44] <dvdpullmalbogdan> anipanambeanablindfaithbitterpilltrisfineybray
[23:44] <FloodBot1> dvdpullmalbogdan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:44] <dvdpullmalbogdan> anipanambeanablindfaithbitterpilltrisfineybray
[23:45] <usr13> dynesh: Ok, change <IP_ADDRESS>  to <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:45] <mamece2> Ive set a hotspot in my laptop, to share wireless internet, two different wireless controllers. I have connected my Iphone to the new hotspot but i cant get IP address. plz help
[23:45] <usr13> dynesh: gksudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf     #So that you have only one nameserver line:  nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:45] <W4sp> usr13: No, and it is overwritten. resolvconf(8) may suggest to check if  the link valid between /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf and /etc/resolv.conf
[23:45] <MsSayian> whats the command to register my nick on this server. I used swift irc and i think its different. There its /ns register nick pass
[23:46] <dynesh> usr13: done
[23:46] <usr13> W4sp: What?
[23:47] <MsSayian> does anyone know the command to register your nick on this server?
[23:47] <usr13> W4sp: Oh I see.   dynesh ls -l  /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf   #Tell is if it points to another file, such as /etc/resolv.conf
[23:47] <usr13> !register | MsSayian
[23:48] <MsSayian> !register
[23:48] <usr13> W4sp: What does yours say?
[23:48] <W4sp> usr13: Besides, HAs it been discussed that the WiFi IF get's connected? I have a feeling that the hadshare isn't OK and it would be good to know what 802.11 they actually use. Also, if that laptop ever connected successfully to that router.
[23:48] <W4sp> usr13: That's here... ls -la /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[23:48] <usr13> W4sp: Well, he told us that he could ping the router.  <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:48] <liox_> trism: yes I can use?
[23:48] <W4sp> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 184 Aug 23 20:54 /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[23:49] <W4sp> Sorry.
[23:49] <dynesh> usr13: it shows /run/resolconf/resolv.conf
[23:49] <W4sp> usr13: with WiFi....?
[23:49] <usr13> W4sp: Does your /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf file have a nameserver IP in it?
[23:49] <usr13> W4sp: Yes.  He said that wlan0 had the essid and that he could ping the router  <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:50] <trism> liox_: I do not understand what you are asking
[23:51] <usr13> W4sp: He said that   route -n   showed <IP_ADDRESS>  as gateway.  So he is connected to the network, just not resolving domain names.
[23:52] <W4sp> usr13: I would suggest to focus on wlan0 interface and how we can get it up. I have a feeling the wifi isn't doing fine and the status message isn/t correct. ...as in 802.11g offered but a/b supported.
[23:52] <mamece2> can somebody help me?
[23:52] <mamece2> Ive set a hotspot in my laptop, to share wireless internet, two different wireless controllers. I have connected my Iphone to the new hotspot but i cant get IP address. plz help
[23:52] <W4sp> usr13: Anyway, this is my resolv.conf... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1163582/
[23:52] <usr13> W4sp: But if what he said is true, he is connected.
[23:52] <W4sp> usr13: home is my local network.
[23:53] <W4sp> usr13: OK, let me scoll up, I may have missed it.   Where is it?
[23:54] <usr13> W4sp: We can ping the router's IP as long as the router is not blocking port 113
[23:54] <usr13> and most dont
[23:54] <W4sp> usr13: ping is UDP and does not use a port.
[23:56] <usr13> W4sp: At any rate, most all routers will return ping requests
[23:56] <usr13> from the inside anyway.
[23:57] <W4sp> usr13: Just a small test to run. Ping the net and see if we get more than .1 back. My nagging doubt may vanish then.
[23:57] <maladore> here is a crazy question usr13 are the wires hooked up right and the modem reset if cable?
[23:58] <maladore> sorry forgot we were wireless connection
[23:58] <W4sp> dynesh: You there...? Could you run the following from the terminal: 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>' and tell us the output, please?
[23:58] <usr13> W4sp: Ping ________?    net?
[23:58] <dynesh> usr13: sure
[23:58] <dynesh> W4sp: yep
[23:59] <usr13> W4sp: <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[23:59] <W4sp> dynesh: I did a mistake. It's ping -b <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:59] <liox_> trism: how to use apt-listchanges to solve this problem?
[23:59] <W4sp> dynesh: It may take some time so please be patient.


[01:13] <JanC> MrXtian: first of all, the GUI design application application "Glade" can save in GtkBuilder format
[01:14] <JanC> so even if libglade is deprecated, the Glade designer is not
[14:19] <smartboyhw> coolbhavi, ping
[14:19] <coolbhavi> hey smartboyhw
[14:20] <smartboyhw> coolbhavi, private message?
[14:20] <coolbhavi> yes
[17:58] <coder2> where can i get documentation for webkit for python?
[21:22] <odra> Hey