[01:16] <slangasek> infinity: so, I see that linux-ti-omap4 is in the list of rebuild failures for raring... related to the eglibc 2.17 -Wunused-result strictness.  Even if raring's -omap4 is just a copy, maybe we want to make it buildable?
[01:17] <infinity> slangasek: http://pad.lv/1163443
[01:17] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1163443 in linux-ti-omap4 "linux-ti-omap4 ftbfs in raring" [High,Won't fix]
[01:17] <slangasek> heh
[01:17] <infinity> slangasek: If we want to fix the quantal package to also be buildable in raring, that's fine, I suppose, but it's just creating work for people if we fork the packaging.
[01:18] <slangasek> right, I'm not suggesting we fix it via raring
[01:18] <infinity> Of course, the easy fix is to disable tools, which would be a regression in Q.
[01:18] <infinity> We could fix it properly, but I'm not sure I actually care deeply.  Do you?
[01:19] <slangasek> if I cared about it deeply I would fix it myself instead of trying to trick you into fixing it
[01:19] <infinity> *smirk*
[01:20] <infinity> I would rather someone had just given me the goahead to drop the ti-omap4/desktop images, thus allowing me to drop pvr-omap4 and the ti-omap4 kernel.
[01:20] <infinity> (And we could do server/d-i with -generic)
[01:21] <infinity> But I suppose it was a valid point that we don't (currently) have any other ARM desktop for people to play with.
[01:21] <infinity> Would have been nice to make that Chromebook, perhaps.
[01:21] <slangasek> s/nice/expensive/ given that we already have the pandae
[01:28] <infinity> slangasek: True.  We'll need to pick a new proof-of-concept desktop platform at SOME point, though.
[01:29] <infinity> Well, or, I suppose the unity-next convergence story might make it all moot, and the PoC can just be a few phone devices that we bless.
[01:30] <slangasek> yes; I need to follow up with ogasawara and bryce on this, but the tentative plan is precisely that, carry over panda until such time as Ubuntu Touch is on its feet
[01:32] <infinity> slangasek: Well, I didn't just mean Touch, but the converged desktop, so I can plug a phone into a monitor and test desktop applications on it in the same way I can on a Panda.
[01:35] <slangasek> infinity: I'm not sure it's a good use of anyone's time to be testing desktop-only apps on Panda in the 13.10 timeframe; as far as I'm concerned, the purpose in testing the desktop on Panda between now and 13.10 is to make sure our infrastructure code doesn't bitrot between now and Unity Next getting on its feet
[01:36] <infinity> slangasek: Sure, I agree on that score.
[07:03] <ppisati> moin
[07:20] <apw> ppisati, moin
[07:21] <ppisati> apw: ciao
[07:21]  * apw has an engineer on his way to bring him decent interwebs :)
[07:35] <smb> apw, Is it the "cable guy"? :)
[07:35]  * smb hopes the engineers will be in order
[08:13] <apw> smb, it turns out the two guys are really one, its just the ordering system that thinks he is scitsophrenic (sp?)
[08:14]  * smb will need to ask gnarl to explain that
[08:20] <apw> yeah :)
[09:00] <ppisati> brb
[09:18] <brendand> henrix, are -generic and -generic-pae kernels still going to be released for Lucid or just -server kernels?
[09:42] <henrix> brendand: good question :p i believe all the images will still be produced, but i may be wrong
[09:42] <henrix> bjf: ^^
[10:05] <ppisati> cking: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5673156/
[10:05] <ppisati> cking: this was done on a nexus7
[10:05] <ppisati> cking: but the procedure is the same
[10:05] <cking> ppisati, cool, thanks
[10:05] <ppisati> cking: i promise this afternoon i'll write up a decent wiki page about all the steps :P
[10:06] <cking> heh, no stress
[10:10]  * ppisati -> out for lunch
[11:48] <apw> henrix, we normally keep updating all the kernels regardless
[11:49] <henrix> apw: yeah, i believe there'll be no changes for the kernel team with the desktop EOL
[11:49] <henrix> apw: thanks
[11:49] <apw> indeed
[11:50] <henrix> brendand: ^
[12:47] <rtg_> apw, any progress on bug #1157952 ? It would be nice to have a fix before freeze.
[12:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1157952 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "SCSI keysense errors on console with Raring (3.8 kernel) within Windows Azure" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157952
[12:49] <rtg_> henrix, whats the story on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1140716/comments/63 - are you reverting that patch from stable ?
[12:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1140716 in linux "[regression] 3.5.0-26-generic and 3.2.0-39-generic GPU hangs on Sandybridge" [Critical,Confirmed]
[12:50] <henrix> rtg_: i'll need to review all the comments. i started following that bug but haven't been looking for a while
[12:51] <henrix> rtg_: i'll take a look in a bit and eventually revert it. and ask upstream to revert it as well if necessary
[12:51] <henrix> rtg_: thanks
[12:51] <rtg_> henrix, can you chase it to ground soon? its bugging a lot of folks.
[12:51] <rtg_> ack
[13:06] <ppisati> ok, so here is a first crude transcipt on how to get, compile and flash a kernel for the nexus4/7
[13:06] <ppisati> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/AndroidKernel
[13:06] <ppisati> i tested only the nexus7 side, cking is testing the nexus4 one :)
[13:07] <cking> :-)
[13:08] <rtg_> cking, an interesting patch on LKML: 'RAPL (Running Average Power Limit) driver'
[13:09]  * cking looks
[13:11] <cking> lots of MSR tweakables
[13:11] <rtg_> cking, I didn't realize SNB has that kind of support
[13:12] <cking> me neither, mind you I don't spend my life reading the Intel handbooks
[13:13] <rtg_> nor I. I go skiing instead :)
[13:13]  * ogra_ is curious if abootimg will just work on the nexus4
[13:13] <ogra_> it definitely has probs on my sansung galayx S2 here
[13:13] <cking> ogra_, I tried it with the existing kernel image and it didn't breakit
[13:14] <ogra_> awesome
[13:14] <ogra_> i guess the samsung code does some signing stuff or so then
[13:14] <cking> who knows
[13:14] <ogra_> i could :) if i bothered to look
[13:29] <rtg_> ppisati, nice wiki doc
[13:30] <ppisati> anyone with wiki formatting style can contribute :)
[13:36] <ogra_> update the kernel
[13:36] <ogra_> aboot -u /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 -k mykernel
[13:36] <ogra_> ppisati, ^^^ do you mean abootimg ?
[13:37] <ppisati> ogra_: right
[13:37] <ppisati> ogra_: fix it! :)
[13:37] <ogra_> done
[13:58] <diwic> jsalisbury, hi! Just a reminder that people are waiting for a test kernel in bug 1136110. I asked upstream too and they would like more bisection.
[13:58] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1136110 in linux (Ubuntu) "USB Audio Codec choppy playback" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1136110
[13:59] <jsalisbury> diwic, ack.  I'll post the next kernel shortly
[13:59] <diwic> jsalisbury, thanks for helping out! I should learn that bisection stuff some time.
[14:00] <jsalisbury> diwic, np
[14:44]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:36] <rtg_> jjohansen, why aren't the AA mount and network mediation patches upstream ? 'UBUNTU: SAUCE: AppArmor: basic networking rules' and 'UBUNTU: SAUCE: apparmor: Add the ability to mediate mount'
[16:02] <henrix> rtg_: ok, i've took a closer look at bug #1140716 and looks like i'll be reverting it from 3.5 stable
[16:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1140716 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "[regression] 3.5.0-26-generic and 3.2.0-39-generic GPU hangs on Sandybridge" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1140716
[16:03] <rtg_> henrix, good.
[16:03] <henrix> rtg_: i'll just wait for a while until someone tests brad's kernel (with the patch reverted)
[16:03] <henrix> rtg_: i'll go through the other upstream stable trees and see if they have this commit (i believe 3.2 has it, so debian should have this bug as well)
[16:07] <bjf> henrix, did you see that i added test kernels?
[16:08] <henrix> bjf: yes, i did.  i'll wait for someone to test it
[16:08] <henrix> and revert the commit in for next release
[16:08] <bjf> henrix, i guess i could actually READ what you typed into the channel
[16:08] <bjf> doh!
[16:08] <henrix> bjf: heh
[16:21]  * ppisati wanders away for a bit...
[16:30] <jjohansen> rtg_: because they have had a major rework, along with the rest of apparmor, you will see the beginning of the set going up for 3.10, and hopefully the rest for 3.11
[16:30] <rtg_> jjohansen, ok, then I can note in the patch that they should get replaced for 13.10
[16:34] <jsalisbury> rtg_, infinity It looks like <IP_ADDRESS>.31 is the latest kernel version in the repositories, but the changlog indicates it should be Ubuntu-3.8.0-16.26.  see bug 1163296
[16:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1163296 in linux (Ubuntu) "Version / Dependency Mismatch" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163296
[16:39] <jjohansen> rtg_, apw: if you are curious I am keeping a raring version of the apparmor dev tree on zinc in my ubuntu-raring.git aa3.0 branch, it needs to be update it for some recent bug fixes that I am testing
[16:40] <rtg_> jjohansen, I assume you're planning to drop those on me soon ? April 11 is freeze.
[16:40] <jjohansen> rtg_: no, we decided we are not going to drop the new version of apparmor in to raring
[16:41] <jjohansen> rtg_: we are shooting for 13.10, and as much upstream as possible
[16:41] <rtg_> jjohansen, oh, I guess I misunderstood
[16:41] <rtg_> ok, works for me
[16:42] <jjohansen> rtg_: the tree pointer is just if you are curious to see what is going to becoming from upstream over the next few months. There really is no need to look at it
[16:42] <rtg_> jsalisbury, that almost looks like a Launchpad issue.
[16:42] <rtg_> jjohansen, ack
[16:44] <jsalisbury> rtg_, rmadison also reports <IP_ADDRESS>.31 as the latest kernel version.  Not sure if rmadison pulls this infor from launchpad as well
[16:44] <rtg_> jsalisbury, dunno, but I don't think its a kernel issue.
[16:44] <jsalisbury> rtg_, ack
[16:51] <apw> jsalisbury, rtg_, no that is just a person being confused by the difference in version numbers between the meta package and the main package
[16:51] <jsalisbury> kamal, if you have a chance, can you take a look at bug 1163720  I can kick off a bisect but wanted to run it by you, in case its similar to something your already looking at.
[16:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1163720 in linux (Ubuntu) "Brightness control broken on XPS13 with 3.8.0-16" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163720
[16:52] <apw> jsalisbury, rtg_ <IP_ADDRESS>.31 is the version number of linux-meta
[16:52] <rtg_> apw, ah, didn't look close enough
[16:52] <kamal> jsalisbury: curiously, I was just looking at that exact problem, and was about to file a bug for it
[16:52] <kamal> jsalisbury: no bisect necessary -- I know exactly what's causing it
[16:52] <jsalisbury> kamal, awesome, thanks!
[16:53] <apw> rtg_, jsalisbury, i have commented in the bug.  invalid is correct
[16:53] <Sarvatt> kamal: thats going to be http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-raring.git;a=commit;h=0e7a2fe01333f72c1cec1cd4d5293a62c770fa4f
[16:53] <kamal> Sarvatt: yes, that's correct
[16:54] <kamal> Sarvatt: "write backlight harder" was the bit that made it work for the XPS13 . . .  sigh.
[16:54] <jsalisbury> apw, thanks
[16:55] <rtg_> kamal, apw: be carefull with raring master-next as I'm doing lots of push + whilst annotating SAUCE patches.
[16:56] <kamal> rtg_: this brightness regression has already landed in master (came from upstream)
[16:56] <rtg_> kamal, stable ?
[16:57] <apw> rtg_, ack, with my lack of internet don't expect me to be pushing over you
[16:57] <kamal> it has been cc'd stable too, but it doesn't affect XPS 13 in stable since brightness control doesn't work until raring anyway (without my PPA)
[16:58] <kamal> rtg_: wait, maybe not cc:'d stable -- I thought I saw that, but now I don't
[17:23]  * rtg_ -> lunch
[17:38]  * cking -> food
[18:08] <bjf> sbeattie, anyone besides myself started running security QRT tests on touch image?
[18:08] <sbeattie> bjf: not that I'm aware of.
[18:09] <bjf> sbeattie, ack
[18:11]  * sbeattie expects that being based on the android kernel, there's going to be things missing.
[18:15] <bjf> sbeattie, kernel_panic and kernel_hardening just work. i'm looking at kernel_security to see what it's issues are
[18:15] <sbeattie> kewl
[18:16] <bjf> sbeattie, when i say they just work i mean the run and don't report any errors. i don't know if they are really doing anything :-P
[18:16] <sbeattie> hehe
[18:17] <bjf> sbeattie, anyone on your team have any of these mobile devices?
[18:17] <sbeattie> bjf: yeah
[18:18] <sbeattie> I do and ty hicks for sure, I can't remember if jj has one or not.
[18:19] <rtg_> kamal, is 'UBUNTU: SAUCE: Input: fix Cypress PS/2 Trackpad in Dell XPS12' gonna make it upstream ? I don't see it in linux-next.
[18:20] <kamal> rtg_: I'll go figure out what happened to that
[18:27] <kamal> rtg_: ok, it did actually land upstream already in 3.9-rc3, but the maintainer renamed the commit (for some reason I cannot fathom):
[18:27] <kamal>    81bb5d3 Input: cypress_ps2 - fix trackpadi found in Dell XPS12
[18:27] <rtg_> kamal, ok, thanks
[18:28] <kamal> rtg_: do you want me to send a revert/replace request for that?
[18:28] <rtg_> kamal, no, I've got it
[18:28] <kamal> rtg_: thanks
[18:28] <rtg_> kamal, the original SAUCE patch will simply disappear
[18:28] <kamal> rtg_: perfect
[20:10]  * rtg_ -> EOD


[04:36] <Spider_x> Hey any irssi user who can tell me how I can achieve having all my joined channels in the bottom, like 1 (Status) 2(#Ubuntu) 3(Linux) and so on, I am already using adv_windowlist, but it displays the channels in a seperate window and I would like it to be in the status bar.
[20:25] <ceed^> Anyone got the System Monitor extension to work with Gnome 3.20 on UbuntuGNOME 16.04? Won't even install here.
[20:38] <jbicha> ceed^: which extension?
[21:10] <ceed^> jbicha, This one: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1064/system-monitor/


[03:03] <dffosd> i added a ppa and managed to intall most packages from that ppa succesfully except for one. the ppa is here: https://launchpad.net/~cdemu/+archive/ppa and the package in question is libmirage. it gives me an unable to find package libmirage error.
[05:54] <cotten-gnome> I'm trying to multi-boot windows and ubuntu-gnome on separate drives, when I default install to sdc it tries to grub to sda1(my storage drive-ntfs) im new the the encryption thing and am trying it for the first time
[05:58] <wilee-nilee> cotten-gnome, Use the something other option it is a manual install, and point grub to the sdc the mbr.
[05:59] <cotten-gnome> app locked when i clicked install w/o grub continue testing
[05:59] <cotten-gnome> brb
[06:15] <cotton-gnome> can i infer from the partitions that mount sdc1 254mb ext2 > /
[06:17] <cotton-gnome> and make sdc5 phyical volume for wncryption?
[06:21] <wilee-nilee> cotton-gnome, I know nothing about encryption, you might try the #ubuntu channel if no one answers here.
[06:22] <cotton-gnome> i want to encrypt all the things
[09:17] <vic> why does dash blink when opened in 13.04/
[12:50] <Chatman> Hello. How do I change a thread's status to [Solved]
[12:51] <Chatman> #ubuntu-fin
[12:51] <Chatman> anybody?
[12:52] <holstein> Chatman: a bug?
[12:53] <Chatman> No, just a general support question thread
[12:53] <Chatman> at Ubuntu-forums
[14:07] <yeehi> which folder are the wallpaper images in?
[14:24] <geirha> yeehi: /usr/share/backgrounds
[14:25] <yeehi> thans, geirha


[00:01] <xubuntu904> hi is anyone a xubuntu 14.04 lts user?
[00:02] <Azelphur> ?anyone | xubuntu904
[00:02] <Azelphur> !anyone | xubuntu904
[00:02] <Azelphur> oh, this bot has different factoids, that's boring :(
[00:03] <Azelphur> xubuntu904: many questions start with "does anyone", why don't you ask your real question instead? it's fairly obvious most people in here are running xubuntu.
[00:06] <ochosi> !ask | xubuntu904
[00:08] <xubuntu904> hi mate ok well I ve grabbed the 14.04 lts and make it to be bootable via usb drive so after I restarted and boot in to xubuntu to try it out I wanted to format a partition to be compatible with xubuntu and in the Ubuntu soft center was said that the Gpared was installed but I couldnt find so Ive removed it but after I clicked to install it back the xubuntu crashed only textmode was avaible
[00:10] <David-A> xubuntu904: you un-installed and installed gparted in the live-system? (the system running of the usb-stick)
[00:11] <xubuntu904> yes because there was no other option let me tell you I search twice for gparded soft to make sure but it wasnt there - so is that any new bug that can accor in LTS versions?
[00:11] <Azelphur> xubuntu904: gparted doesn't show up in the menus I've noticed, you can access it by running gksudo gparted in a terminal
[00:13] <xubuntu904> hi azelphur thank you
[00:13] <xubuntu904> have a good week
[00:13] <Azelphur> :)
[00:13] <Azelphur> xubuntu904: also you don't need to make a partition, the installer can do that for you.
[00:17] <xubuntu904> ok and azelphur u think the virtual box on xubuntu is stable? Id need xp and photoshop to run
[00:18] <Azelphur> xubuntu904: virtualbox runs fine on xubuntu, Running XP is a bad idea (Have you been living under a rock?), I don't know about photoshop in a virtual machine.
[00:19] <xubuntu904> well you see I would need to run the graphic program on xp for some tasks nothing serious
[00:20] <Azelphur> irrelevant, XP is abandoned and has major security vulnerabilities.
[00:21] <David-A> xubuntu904: there are websites that lists alternatives for windows-only-programs that you may use in linux. have you looked there?
[00:22] <xubuntu904> hi yes there is inkscape and gimp but I m used to Illustrator, and PS ... so
[00:23] <xubuntu904> thank you guys
[00:23] <xubuntu904> anyway
[00:23] <xubuntu904> see you later
[00:39] <havenstance> why does it have to be so hard to dual boot win8 and xubuntu?
[00:40] <havenstance> nvm figured it out.... Windows is a gigantic piece of malware....
[00:40] <Azelphur> havenstance: hard? doesn't the installer...just do it for you
[00:40] <havenstance> Azelphur, sure if I wanted my setup like everyone elses
[00:41] <Azelphur> xD
[00:41] <havenstance> I want xubuntu on the Ext HDD
[00:41] <havenstance> Windows takes over every single time
[00:42] <Azelphur> ah, if Windows is nuking your boot partition, a good tool is boot-repair
[00:45] <havenstance> Azelphur, the problem is that once I install Xubuntu on it, I choose the Ext to boot and it only gives option for UEFI boot. If its empty windows sees it as a regular drive.
[00:45] <havenstance> s/Windows/UEFI
[00:45] <Azelphur> I see
[00:46] <havenstance> Don't understand it lol. Oh well, I'll keep going and eventually get it. I just wanted to gripe a bit about how im still forced to dual boot because certain game manufacturers refuse to port to linux
[00:48] <havenstance> It might be that I need to turn off AHCI when I want to Boot to Nix, then back on for Winblows
[07:32] <gain> hi all, I'm new to xubuntu and just installed the 1404
[07:33] <gain> some days ago the lock screen worked like a charm, locking screen with ctrl+alt+canc or from the button in the main menu
[07:34] <gain> now I have no lock screen, button and key binding do nothing at all
[07:36] <gain> how can I check if the screensaver process is up and running? `ps faux | less` show nothing about screen and `dpkg -l | grep xfce | grep screen` shows only xfce4-screenshooter (that is not the lockscreen imho)
[07:36] <gain> any help would be appreciated
[07:52] <koegs> gain: then you do not have xscreensaver installed
[07:52] <gain> koegs: when it worked it not seemd xscreensaver
[07:53] <koegs> gain: light-locker is used in 1404
[07:54] <koegs> and then it is "light-locker-command -l" to lock the screen
[07:56] <gain> $ light-locker-command -l
[07:56] <gain> ** Message: light-locker is not running
[07:56] <gain> asd
[07:58] <gain> launching it manually works... why the hell is not started at boot anymore?
[07:59] <gain> in settings > start applications screensaver is checked...
[07:59] <gain> but there's no command associated!!!
[08:00] <gain> I can't edit it... where is the associated file?
[08:15] <koegs> there is light-locker-settings, check if it is enabled
[08:28] <gain> koegs: it was not enabled... thanks
[08:33] <gain> gotta go, thanks again
[08:33] <gain> bye
[10:03] <xubuntu582> this is a test
[12:57] <Philippa_> assuming I don't want to use Crouton, what's the recommended way to install xubuntu 14.04 on a samsung arm chromebook? (1st gen, in case the 2nd gen's out anywhere yet)
[13:03] <Philippa_> hrmm. Given the images that are/aren't available, I assume it amounts to "whatever you're supposed to do for mainline ubuntu and then install xubuntu from your package manager of choice"
[13:04] <notwist> I love the feature in XFCE where you can tile windows to left and right with keyboard shortcuts, but is there any way to tile windows into corners? I.e. show four windows on a screen, one in each corner.
[13:09] <dovah> hey does somebody know why i cant run a xscreensaver as a desktop wallpaper by doing savername -root
[13:10] <dovah> i killed the xfdesktop it still wont show
[14:23] <aliensbrah> Probably a really dumb question but I just install Xubuntu 14.04 and I saw an image of a desktop from 13.10 I believe: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JoWhpj9zET4/UrTUqFeK0BI/AAAAAAAAB_c/ZvrvSa2HoRo/s1600/desktopwithmenu.png
[14:24] <aliensbrah> I really want to make a application panel like the one at the bottom of that image, so I attempted it and it came out like: http://i.imgur.com/y3UqtH2.jpg
[14:24] <aliensbrah> How can I go about getting it like the 13.10 one?
[14:26] <koegs> you have to put a space with automatic size on the left and right side
[14:26] <koegs> aliensbrah:
[14:27] <aliensbrah> Okay koegs, the other thing I couldn't figure out though is the opacity, when I change the opacity of the bar it makes the icons see through as well as the bar, I want them to be solid like in that screenshot
[14:29] <aliensbrah> koegs, oh derp, I just needed to change the Alpha setting, not opacity - I appreciate the help :)
[14:29] <koegs> aliensbrah: yep :)
[14:29] <xubuntu526> how do i upgrade to the latest version by terminal?
[14:29] <koegs> sudo do-release-upgrade -c
[14:29] <xubuntu526> ty
[14:31] <xubuntu526> i mean for xubuntu not ubuntu
[14:31] <cfhowlett> xubuntu526 same same command
[14:31] <xubuntu526> k
[14:45] <z4nD4R> Hi all, I have trouble with message indicator in notification area.. simply it doesn't work (desn't show me when I recieved mail or pidgin, doesn't indicates new article from liferea..) any advices can be helpful, thx (xubuntu 14.04)
[14:55] <xangua> do you have pidgin-indicator installed z4nD4R¿ once installed do you have the plugin enabled¿
[14:56] <z4nD4R> xangua: no and I can't find it in standart repo
[14:56] <z4nD4R> xangua: but I can place my pidgin icon on panel
[14:57] <xangua> !info pidgin-indicator
[14:58] <z4nD4R> xangua: I have to go.. maybe latter..   It seems that the default terminal in xubuntu 14.04 can't have transparency settings?
[15:00] <ElderDryas> pidgin>preferences>interface>show system tray icon has 3 options, if that's what you're looking for (came into channel late :)
[15:00] <TheSheep> aliensbrah: it does have transparency
[15:00] <TheSheep> aliensbrah: you just need to enable the composer
[15:00] <TheSheep> aliensbrah: in the last tab of window manager tweaks
[15:00] <aliensbrah> I have compositing enabled in Window manager tweaks
[15:01] <aliensbrah> Argh
[15:01] <TheSheep> then in second tab of the terminal settings, "Appearance", you can select transparent background and transparency levels
[15:01] <aliensbrah> Right after I ask a question I find what I'm looking for
[15:01] <aliensbrah> Yeah, thanks TheSheep - in a few of the posts I found online people said it was in the colors tab so I kept looking there
[15:09] <notwist> anyone here use the compton composer? I use it to solve screen tearing issues and I can't understand why it's not the default
[15:29] <xubuntu228> hi
[15:30] <xubuntu228> network connections is not working in xubuntu 14.04
[15:30] <xubuntu228> wired and wireless connections
[15:30] <xubuntu228> someone help me
[15:57] <xubuntu259> hi
[15:58] <slickymasterWork> !hi | xubuntu259
[15:58] <xubuntu259> upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04
[15:58] <xubuntu259> upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04
[15:59] <xubuntu259> now the wired network connection itself not working
[16:01] <xubuntu259> anyhelp with the network connection will be appreciated
[16:05] <xubuntu259> anybody here
[16:05] <xubuntu259> please help me with the wired network connection
[16:32] <xubuntu313> hi everyone
[16:32] <xubuntu313> I got my keyboard on PT but when I type accents it doesn't go over the letter
[16:32] <xubuntu313> ´e like that
[16:32] <xubuntu313> e´
[16:33] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu313: that's strange xubuntu313, mine is also setup to PT and I can easily use all the accents
[16:34] <xubuntu313> it's a fresh install 14.04 that I did yesterday
[16:34] <slickymasterWork> é ã è
[16:34] <xubuntu313> ´e ~a `e
[16:35] <xubuntu313> can u tell me your keyboard model ?
[16:35] <xubuntu313> currently I'm using Generic 105-key (intl) PC
[16:36] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu313: can you open a terminal window and run the following -> locale | pastebinit
[16:36] <slickymasterWork> and paste back here the url it will provide you
[16:36] <xubuntu313> http://pastebin.com/gu1RTa0e
[16:37] <slickymasterWork> hmm, your locale seems to be correct
[16:38] <slickymasterWork> and I'm also using a Generic 105-key (intl) PC
[16:39] <xubuntu313> when I press ´ it should wait until I type another letter, but it just doesn't.
[16:39] <xubuntu313> the key ´ is working like any other regular letter key, instantly typing.
[16:39]  * ElderDryas assumes you're both using the same key strokes?
[16:40] <slickymasterWork> do you, by any chance, have the Use system defaults option ticked in the Layout tab of the Keyboard dialog xubuntu313
[16:40]  * slickymasterWork also assumes it ElderDryas
[16:40] <xubuntu313> yes I do
[16:40] <xubuntu313> I tried that
[16:40] <xubuntu313> logged off
[16:40] <slickymasterWork> if you have xubuntu313, untick it
[16:40] <xubuntu313> and didn't fix
[16:40] <xubuntu313> done.
[16:40] <xubuntu313> I ticked it to test if it would fix
[16:41] <slickymasterWork> log out and log in again xubuntu313
[16:41] <xubuntu313> ok
[16:42] <xubuntu053> still the sam
[16:42] <xubuntu053> same*
[16:42] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu053, give us a sec
[16:42] <oneof3> hello. I have noticed that when i use the volume slider a second volume pop up comes up behind it. how can i disable it?
[16:46] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu053: do you have Compose Key enabled?
[16:46] <xubuntu053> no
[16:47] <slickymasterWork> try enabling it
[16:47] <xubuntu053> to which ?
[16:49] <slickymasterWork> before that xubuntu053, let us try something
[16:50] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu053: hit AltGr+; the E
[16:51] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu053: it should produce é
[16:51] <slickymasterWork> that's [AltGr]+[;] then [E]
[16:51] <xubuntu053> €
[16:51] <xubuntu053> ×¢
[16:52] <slickymasterWork> ?!
[16:52] <xubuntu053> altgr + e = €
[16:53] <xubuntu053> altgr + ; + e = € as well
[16:53] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu053: I confess I ran out of ideas
[16:53] <xubuntu053> it's okay
[16:54] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu053: I'll leave these links though
[16:54] <slickymasterWork> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey#Xubuntu_with_XFCE
[16:54] <slickymasterWork> http://duncanlock.net/blog/2013/05/03/how-to-set-your-compose-key-on-xfce-xubuntu-linux/
[16:54] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu053: boa sorte ;)
[16:54] <xubuntu053> vou maze instalar kde e ver se fica bom
[16:54] <xubuntu053> isto eh so pc para programar, por isso, deixo sempre aqui no trabalho..
[16:55] <xubuntu053> mas obrigado slickymasterWork !
[16:55] <slickymasterWork> ok, good luck
[16:55] <xubuntu053> hasta
[17:37] <aliensbrah> So I made a panel with a bunch of launchers, and when located at the top of the screen, windows won't maximize over/under it: http://i.imgur.com/5EzUBuKl.jpg
[17:38] <aliensbrah> I want it on the left side vertically, but then when I maximize windows they go underneath of it, does anyone know how to fix this: http://i.imgur.com/XQUrsiss.jpg
[17:38] <aliensbrah> oops second screenshot didn't work, sec
[17:41] <aliensbrah> This is how I created the panel, up top and limiting windows that maximize: http://i.imgur.com/LBsBhHw.png
[17:41] <aliensbrah> I'd like it on the left side but as you can see things maximize under it: http://i.imgur.com/jNbweQJ.png
[17:43] <atsukisama> Hello
[17:43] <atsukisama> can someone help me here ?
[17:44] <TheSheep> no, unless you explain your problem and then if someone knows the answer, they will tell you
[17:44] <atsukisama> ok, then here my problem
[17:44] <atsukisama> actually my login screen isn't at the right scale
[17:45] <atsukisama> but when i log in it go back to normal
[17:45] <atsukisama> how do i change the login screen resolution ?
[17:45] <atsukisama> because it's alway lower than normal
[17:46] <atsukisama> and here i am not talking about grub
[17:46] <atsukisama> just the xubuntu login screen
[17:46] <atsukisama> (note it only happen when i change my graphic card driver)
[17:47] <atsukisama> going to X xorg to Nvidia
[17:52] <atsukisama> so someone got an idea ?
[17:52] <atsukisama> :/
[17:53] <ElderDryas> atsukisama: I have noticed that (on my machine/screen) that the nvidia driver default resolution appears to be be 120dpi (see nvidia x-server settings), while the normal nouveau (?) resolution appears to be 96 dpi.  I only guessing, but I'd say that the nvidia 120dpi is replaced by the 96dpi settings once you log in.
[17:55] <atsukisama> mmm
[17:55] <ElderDryas> See Apearence>Fonts>DPI (usually 96dpi)
[17:55] <atsukisama> i am going to check that out
[17:55] <atsukisama> however i quite don't understand why would my resolution only be fixed when i log in
[17:56] <ElderDryas> becasue the nvidia driver (120dpi) is active before you login, then the settings in Apearence>Fonts>DPI tyake over...this is all a guess remember.
[17:57] <ElderDryas> Based on what I see on my machine.
[17:57] <atsukisama> oh i see mmm
[17:57] <atsukisama> well i' try to change the parameter
[17:57] <atsukisama> i'll*
[17:58] <atsukisama> thx for the help
[17:58] <ElderDryas> If you cahnge the DPI, you probably need to change the font size also (I did)
[17:59] <atsukisama> ah well i guess i'll see when i'll face those parameter
[18:00] <atsukisama> however at first i though it might be lightgm problem
[18:00] <ElderDryas> and it could be that too, I don't use it (auto login, and turned off)
[18:00] <atsukisama> ahah lol
[18:01] <atsukisama> well i tried to fix lightgm however nothing changed
[18:01] <atsukisama> i set my screen resolution for it but well
[18:01] <atsukisama> look like he don't care or it just might not be that
[18:02] <ElderDryas> Ok, I'll refund your deposit...but only in store credit :)
[18:02] <atsukisama> good luck, lol
[19:33] <xubuntu572> hi guys Im currently selecting the partttion to use it as root for booting the xubuntu but I dont know what the options like : use it as ext4 journal system or psychisal volume partion means
[19:34] <z4nD4R> Hi all, I have trouble with message indicator in notification area.. simply it doesn't work (desn't show me when I recieved mail or pidgin, doesn't indicates new article from liferea..) any advices can be helpful, thx (xubuntu 14.04)
[19:35] <atsukisama> xubuntu572 : will you use dual boot with windows ?
[19:36] <xubuntu572> atsukisama: no only xubuntu
[19:38] <atsukisama> xubuntu572: choose ext4 and then install the root partition on it
[19:38] <atsukisama> xubuntu572: at mount point choose /
[19:39] <atsukisama> do not forget to select format parition
[19:39] <atsukisama> partition*
[19:41] <xubuntu572> atsukisama: hi ok but which option to choose for USE AS, in the edit partion menu http://imgupload.sk/viewer.php?file=o2lzezbphk0vv2jlcb4w.png
[19:43] <atsukisama> xubuntu572: check "Format the Partition" & don't write "/root" just "/"
[19:45] <xubuntu572> atsukisama: so the option psysical volume encryption is ok? or I need ext4 journal system file
[19:46] <atsukisama> xubuntu572: ext4 journal system file is all you need
[19:46] <xubuntu572> atsukisama: ok have a good week
[19:47] <atsukisama> xubuntu572: good luck and have a good week too
[20:09] <Inoki> Yo all
[20:09] <Inoki> Can anyone suggest a way to get the old indicator back? The new  indicator applet is just terrible, as now one can't even pick which to  show and which not, as all of them are put under "Application  Indicators" within the indicator and if I tick to hide them, none of  them display anymore in the notification area plugin.
[20:30] <z4nD4R> Hi all, I have trouble with message indicator in notification area.. simply it doesn't work (desn't show me when I recieved mail or pidgin, doesn't indicates new article from liferea..) any advices can be helpful, thx (xubuntu 14.04)
[20:48] <xos14> Hello? Can someone help?
[21:00] <z4nD4R> Anyone? :)
[21:03] <elfy> z4nD4R: I did something about liferea not working with indicator-messages - not just in Xubuntu, can't find that now though
[21:04] <elfy> there does appear to be an issue with it and thunderbird too - not able to pin that down
[21:13] <z4nD4R> elfy: so result is.. it simply doesn't work/
[21:15] <elfy> atm - I'm not sure about pidgin to be honest
[21:15] <elfy> is this a new install or upgrade?
[21:18] <z4nD4R> elfy: new
[21:22] <atsukisama> does someone installed nvidia driver with xubuntu ?
[21:22] <z4nD4R> atsukisama: jop me
[21:23] <atsukisama> z4nD4R: can you tell me if you have login screen resolution issue ?
[21:24] <z4nD4R> atsukisama: no .. Even when I use 2 monitor.. there is no issue with login screen resolution.. some blicking.. after login.. (when I have 2 monitor) but no problem.. have you tried if nvidia driver is installed rightly?
[21:25] <holstein> atsukisama: what issue? i have nvidia and login screen
[21:25] <atsukisama> z4nD4R: i do believe that my driver installation is ok, however my login screen resolution is low
[21:26] <atsukisama> login screen resolution is lower than normal, however after login it go back to normal resolution
[21:26] <z4nD4R> atsukisama: I believe != it is :) try glxinfo | grep vend
[21:28] <atsukisama> server/client/Open GL all are NVIDIA
[21:28] <z4nD4R> atsukisama: so it looks like issue with lightgdm
[21:29] <atsukisama> guessed so too
[21:29] <atsukisama> however
[21:29] <atsukisama> i creater a script
[21:29] <atsukisama> but look like it's not working either
[21:29] <atsukisama> :/
[21:30] <z4nD4R> what's the idea of that script?
[21:30] <holstein> atsukisama: there really is no "normal"
[21:30] <holstein> atsukisama: are you able to login? if so, thats really all i require of my login screen.. the resolution is likely different
[21:32] <atsukisama> z4nD4R: the idea of the screen is to apply a certain resolution for a certain screen
[21:33] <z4nD4R> atsukisama: throug xrandr?
[21:33] <atsukisama> holstein: well i can actually log in (thanks god, since it's not a off range resolution) but it buzz me off to see that this login screen resolution isn't right
[21:34] <z4nD4R> atsukisama: don't you have nvidia with optimus technology, do you?
[21:34] <atsukisama> z4nDAR: yup, with xrandr "xrandr --output VGA-0  --mode 1600x900"
[21:35] <z4nD4R> atsukisama: and it doesn't help? .. when do you started it/
[21:36] <holstein> atsukisama: sure.. but, whats "right"?
[21:36] <atsukisama> z4nD4R: mmm i have a NVIDIA GT 630M (laptop)
[21:37] <z4nD4R> atsukisama: another question.. are you sure you have wrong resolution or wrong DPI... 'cause DPI you can change in conf files
[21:37] <holstein> atsukisama: there really is no "correct".. or "right".. its just whatever you want to configure it to be.. i typically just login, and set my desktop resolution, and move on.. is that not acceptable?
[21:37] <atsukisama> holstein: my 800x600 login screen on a 1600x900 screen XD
[21:37] <holstein> atsukisama: sure.. and thats not "wrong"
[21:37] <holstein> atsukisama: they are just different.. is that not acceptable?
[21:38] <atsukisama> holstein: well sure it's acceptable i guess but i still want to see if i can get the 1600x900 resolution on the login screen
[21:38] <holstein> atsukisama: just set it
[21:38] <atsukisama> holstein: yeah, but how ?
[21:38] <holstein> atsukisama: http://askubuntu.com/questions/320518/change-login-resolution-in-xubuntu-13-04 suggests the lightdm.conf.. thats where i would start
[21:38] <holstein> /etc/init/lightdm.conf
[21:39] <holstein> atsukisama: set it as you please.. if its not configured, its just running as default, which is not incorrect in any way, just different from your desktop resolution
[21:39] <atsukisama> holstein: could you tell me the exact step ?
[21:40] <atsukisama> as i am seeing 2 lightdm different
[21:40] <Unit193> Changing the init?
[21:40] <holstein> atsukisama: i would just open the file, and edit, according to the info i found at that link
[21:41] <holstein> atsukisama: i would use the particular file that i referenced, at least to start.. have you tried?
[21:41] <holstein> atsukisama: i have no done this.. i literally put my password in and hit enter and get to work.. didnt even notice/care that it was different
[21:41] <atsukisama> holstein: I have tried the files in that directory /etc/lightdm/
[21:42] <holstein> atsukisama: http://askubuntu.com/questions/73804/wrong-login-screen-resolution
[21:42] <holstein> atsukisama: youll need to find lightdm.conf, to make some changes
[21:44] <xubuntu356> I've just installed xubuntu for the first time and the is a problem with the wifi. It drops the connection after around 2 minutes, initally it is very fast but then it disonnects completely. I'm not very experienced with linux, please can someone help.
[21:45] <atsukisama> holstein: lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf ? or lightdm-gtk-greeter-ubuntu.conf ?
[21:45] <z4nD4R> I'm affraid.. there is no resulution option.. only dpi
[21:46] <atsukisama> z4nD4R: sigh :/
[21:46] <atsukisama> well i'll try to make it work out and i'll see
[21:47] <holstein> atsukisama: the link i gave states a specific file, and how to edit
[21:47] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/73804/wrong-login-screen-resolution
[21:47] <atsukisama> holstein: i would love to have the same file, trust me :/
[21:47] <holstein> just keep track of the defaults, no how to edit with a live CD or from tty if something breaks, and experiment
[21:47] <holstein> atsukisama: add the file
[21:48] <holstein> atsukisama: just put one there, as stated
[21:49] <atsukisama> holstein: well then i shall create the lightdm.conf file and see how it will work out
[21:50] <holstein> atsukisama: i assume you have already referred to http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man1/lightdm.1.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM but there they are..
[21:52] <atsukisama> holstein: only that file is missing /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[21:53] <atsukisama> however i do believe that they are" remplaced by lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf & lightdm-gtk-greeter-ubuntu.conf
[21:53] <holstein> atsukisama: ok..
[21:53] <holstein> atsukisama: confirm that, by reading some documentation, or, experimenting.. or, just put that file in place..
[21:53] <atsukisama> the only thing i didn't tried is to put the file in place
[21:53] <xubuntu418> The problem is something to do with authentication, as it requests me to retype my password. Does anyone know what May 22 22:48:53 Rick-LAPTOP NetworkManager[787]: <warn> Connection disconnected (reason -4) is?
[21:54] <xubuntu418> full log: http://pastebin.com/qxexkdpx
[21:54] <holstein> atsukisama: yeah?
[21:54] <z4nD4R> Btw anyone? -> Trouble with message indicator in notification area.. simply it doesn't work (desn't show me when I recieved mail or pidgin, doesn't indicates new article from liferea..) any advices can be helpful, thx (xubuntu 14.04)
[21:55] <atsukisama> z4nD4R: sorry i never tried those option i am kind of new on Ubuntu/Xubuntu
[21:56] <z4nD4R> atsukisama: ;)


[00:17] <mup> PR snapd#8539 opened: tests: update encrypted partition creation test <UC20> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8539>
[05:52] <mborzecki> morning
[06:10] <zyga> Good morning
[06:11] <zyga> Chilly morning
[06:14] <mborzecki> zyga: hey, yeah only 6C here
[06:14] <zyga> Currently outside in shorts
[06:16] <mborzecki> hahah
[06:18] <zyga> Is everything red today?
[06:22] <mborzecki> zyga: idk, looking at uc20 prs only atm
[06:23] <mborzecki> those are red more often ;) so nothing out of the ordinary
[06:37] <zyga> I’m feeling pretty bad today
[06:37] <zyga> Had some heart issue all evening
[06:37] <zyga> Hope it passes :/
[06:39] <mvo> zyga: hey, good morning!
[06:39] <zyga> Good morning
[06:39] <zyga> (It passed... away, said the narrator)
[06:43] <zyga> There are git CVEs
[06:43] <zyga> Update your systems!
[06:44] <zyga> Our cloud stuff is up to date
[06:44] <mup> PR snapd#8538 closed: overlord: have a variant of Mock that can take a state.State <Simple 😃> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8538>
[06:46] <mup> PR snapd#8535 closed: daemon: fix error message from `snap remove-user foo` on classic <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8535>
[06:56] <mup> PR snapd#8512 closed: boot/bootstate20: add EnvRefExtractedKernelBootloader bootstate20 implementation <UC20> <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8512>
[06:59] <pstolowski> morning
[07:01] <mvo> good morning pstolowski
[07:02] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mvo: hey
[07:02] <mvo> mborzecki: it looks like you are almost happy with 7825? I'm inclinded to merge, the remaining issues looks like cosmetics, or am I missing something in the 4323431 comments in there :) ?
[07:05] <mvo> mborzecki: and good morning!
[07:10] <mborzecki> mvo: left some questions for zyga there
[07:10] <pstolowski> mvo: one last remark about initramfs PR and +1
[07:16] <pedronis> mborzecki: hi, now that the initramfs changes were incorporated should we try #8464 again?
[07:16] <mup> PR #8464: cmd/snap-boostrap, boot: use /run/mnt/data instead of ubuntu-data <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8464>
[07:16] <mborzecki> pedronis: yes
[07:17] <mborzecki> pedronis: i'm fixinig one more thing in #8530, installbootConfig for uboot does not look at options
[07:17] <mup> PR #8530:  boot: enable makeBootable20RunMode for EnvRefExtractedKernel bootloaders <UC20> <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8530>
[07:17] <mborzecki> and a missing test probably too
[07:17] <pedronis> ah
[07:21] <pedronis> mborzecki: maybe makebootable tests should check for that too
[07:27] <mborzecki> pedronis: heh, so there's a unit test, but checks the wrong location, looking at ian's plan the agreement was to have $systemseedrootdir/uboot.env
[07:28] <pedronis> yes
[07:29] <pedronis> mborzecki: we have code in grub, I suppose uboot needs similar
[07:29] <mborzecki> pedronis: fixed that already, pushing in a bit
[07:30] <pedronis> maybe we can reorg a bit the code, not sure, maybe later
[07:41] <zyga> mborzecki, mvo: yeah, iterating
[07:44] <mvo> pstolowski: woah, your hunch was right, one more bug found and tests improved, shell is hard
[07:44] <pstolowski> mvo: oh wow, i didn't expect a bug...
[07:44] <pstolowski> shell is terrible
[07:44] <mvo> pstolowski: [ -e ... ] will break on broken symlinks :)
[07:45] <mvo> pstolowski: or your idea of adding a broken symlink uncovred it
[07:45] <mvo> pstolowski: I doubt it would actually have hit us for real as the broken-symlink would have to be in the toplevel dir but a bug is a bug
[07:45]  * mvo hugs pstolowski
[07:50] <mborzecki> mvo: we should write in tcl instead :P
[07:51] <mborzecki> pedronis: pushed a fix to #8530
[07:52] <mup> PR #8530:  boot: enable makeBootable20RunMode for EnvRefExtractedKernel bootloaders <UC20> <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8530>
[07:55] <pedronis> mborzecki: looks good to me
[07:56] <pstolowski> mvo: right, -e, drat
[07:58] <mvo> mborzecki: *cough* tcl *cough*
[07:59] <pstolowski> mvo: i reckon it just became harder to convince you to do initrd version check in shell vs go :}
[08:01] <mvo> pstolowski: lol
[08:02] <zyga> just use C, at least you will get *excellent* reviews from jamie :)
[09:18] <zyga> mvo: one of the workers in canonistack was lost due to btrfs corruption due to disk space exhaustion, remaining workers are moved to a new volume that has more space
[09:21] <mborzecki> zyga: haha it's still a thing?
[09:21] <mvo> zyga: in a meeting, will get back to you
[09:22] <mborzecki> thought this was fixed in btrfs a while ago
[09:22] <mborzecki> brb, quick errand
[09:41] <mborzecki> re
[10:03] <mup> PR snapd#8530 closed:  boot: enable makeBootable20RunMode for EnvRefExtractedKernel bootloaders <UC20> <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8530>
[10:16] <mup> PR snapd#8540 opened: o/snapstate: tweak "waiting for restart" message <Simple 😃> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8540>
[10:43] <zyga> mborzecki: eh, go-dbus spawns dbus-launch and leaves it running
[10:43] <zyga> mborzecki: and they pile up
[10:43] <mborzecki> omg
[10:43] <zyga> mborzecki: what a terrible idea
[10:43] <zyga> mborzecki: :|
[10:43] <zyga> mborzecki: anyway, those -failure tests are sure fun
[10:43] <zyga> mborzecki: I found one more funny bugg
[10:43] <zyga> mborzecki: but more in how we use it
[11:02] <mup> PR snapd#8541 opened: devicestate: add support for cloufg.cfg.d config from the gadget <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8541>
[11:37] <zyga> ok, I have a good understanding of what I need to write for the test
[11:37] <zyga> I'll take a break to stretch and think about how to write that in one nice test
[11:38] <zyga> mborzecki: I still have to tackle the leaking dbus-launch, it's such a shame go-dbus doesn't allow one to configure this
[11:39] <mborzecki> zyga: there's Connect where you can pass address
[11:39] <mborzecki> zyga: so we could inspect the relevant env/files ourselves
[11:39] <zyga> mborzecki: yes I know
[11:39] <zyga> that's unavoidable
[11:39] <mborzecki> zyga: that's probably all we can do :/
[11:39] <zyga> just look at the amount of code that is behind SessionBus()
[11:39] <zyga> until Connect
[11:39] <zyga> but yeah, I know
[11:41] <mup> PR snapd#8542 opened: boot: store model model and grade information in modeenv <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8542>
[11:43] <mup> PR snapd#8543 opened: overlord/devicestate: preserve the current model inside ubuntu-boot <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8543>
[11:44] <mborzecki> pedronis_: ^^
[11:46] <pedronis> mborzecki: reviewed
[11:48] <pedronis> mborzecki: unit test failure though
[11:48] <mborzecki> hmmm
[11:49] <mborzecki> heh, yeah, splitting patches is fun
[11:53] <mborzecki> w8, actually, there's patches in master that broke the unit tests /o\
[11:55] <pedronis> mborzecki: can you remind me what mounts boot data etc at install time?
[11:55] <mborzecki> pedronis: we ask snap-bootstrap to do it by passing --mount
[11:56] <mborzecki> (along with the rest of create-partitions parameters)
[11:56] <pedronis> ah, I was looked at the wrong point
[11:56] <mborzecki> pedronis: partitions are mounted at /run/mnt/<fs-label>
[12:13] <pedronis> mborzecki: that's interesting, so we override the original tmpfs ubuntu-data ?
[12:13] <pedronis> mborzecki: we probably really need your PR (for sanity)
[12:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#3075 opened: Edge staged <do-not-merge> <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3075>
[12:30] <pedronis> mborzecki: some comment son #9543
[12:30] <pedronis> heh, #8543
[12:30] <mup> PR #8543: overlord/devicestate: preserve the current model inside ubuntu-boot <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8543>
[13:14] <jdstrand> xnox: hey, I'm trying to use http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/20/edge/20200421/ubuntu-core-20-amd64.img.xz in a vm ,
[13:14] <jdstrand> xnox: but it isn't working right. 'invalid signature'. is there documenation on how to use it?
[13:17] <jdstrand> mvo: ^ (I'm trying to do this to test the firewall-control interface (it needs some updates)
[13:20] <jdstrand> maybe 20200421 was busted
[13:20]  * jdstrand tries 20200422
[13:24] <mvo> jdstrand: in a meeting right now, can get back to you
[13:25] <jdstrand> no, same issue
[13:25] <jdstrand> mvo: thanks!
[13:34] <mvo> jdstrand: kvm -m 1500 -snapshot -bios /usr/share/OVMF/OVMF_CODE.fd -drive if=virtio,file=ubuntu-core-20-amd64.img works for me it seems
[13:34] <jdstrand> mvo: ok, it was the OVMF bit I needed. thanks!
[13:35] <jdstrand> xnox: nm
[13:38] <cachio> mvo, I see this error on sbuild test https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tKrXvmjQDw/
[13:38] <cachio> I remember you tald you were working on that
[13:45] <zyga> hey jdstrand, good to see you :)
[13:48] <mvo> cachio: hm, this one is confusing
[13:49] <mvo> cachio: no error beside E: Build failure (dpkg-buildpackage died)
[13:49] <mvo> cachio: is there any debug output or anything?
[13:51] <pedronis> there are some UC20 milestone 2.45 PRs that needs 2nd reviews
[13:51] <cachio> mvo, yes https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HprXqxGS56/
[13:51] <cachio> mvo, I see similar output
[13:52] <mvo> cachio: I think we need more + tail -n 100 ./snapd_2.44.3-1_amd64-2020-04-22T13:07:36Z.build
[13:52] <mvo> cachio: more than 100 lines :(
[13:53] <mvo> cachio: because the failure is in the unit tests
[13:53] <cachio> mvo, ok, I'll do that
[13:53] <cachio> thanks
[13:53] <mvo> cachio: so we should probably grep FAIL /snapd_2.44.3-1_amd64-2020-04-22T13:07:36Z.build
[13:53] <mvo> cachio: but the full log is probably best
[13:54] <cachio> I'll print the full log
[13:54] <mvo> cachio: thanks
[13:54] <cachio> mvo, to you
[14:00] <jdstrand> hey zyga :)
[14:01] <zyga> jdstrand: those tests are useful, I found some interesting bugs in the cases where it fails
[14:01] <zyga> jdstrand: more later today, I'm still making it readable/pretty
[14:02]  * zyga breaks for lunch now
[14:15] <zyga> jdstrand: hey, I have a quick idea I wanted to run by you
[14:15] <zyga> jdstrand: I was thinking about adding an environment variable that lets an application know snapd is tracking it
[14:16] <zyga> jdstrand: perhaps something like SNAP_$something=tracked
[14:17] <zyga> jdstrand: it would help in testing but it also might be useful to allow desktop applications that do their fancy pants custom checks to easily know about this and behave in a special way over time
[14:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#3076 opened: remote-build: fix case where build log url is None <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3076>
[14:24] <jdstrand> zyga: I'm not opposed to it, but it isn't really needed after it isn't experimental. plus I thought there was going to be an api or something for snaps to query (am I making that up?)
[14:24] <zyga> jdstrand: there's snapctl based api but not for the sort of thing I'm thinking about
[14:24] <zyga> jdstrand: it's really mainly for testing
[14:25] <zyga> jdstrand: right now my test greps for the debug message
[14:25] <jdstrand> zyga: I wonder if this could be generalized. eg: SNAP_EXPERIMENTAL_FEATURES=refresh-app-awareness
[14:25] <jdstrand> zyga: so we expose via env what experimental features core has enabled
[14:26] <zyga> that's interesting but there's a difference, you can have it enabled but it may not really work
[14:26] <jdstrand> zyga: I might be missing something. I didn't think you would do SNAP_$something=tracking-broken
[14:26] <zyga> I would do the reverse,
[14:27] <zyga> SNAP_EXECUTION_ENVIRONMENT=,...,tracked
[14:27] <zyga> (the name is entirely arbitrary now)
[14:27] <jdstrand> zyga: or are you saying if the stars are aligned, only then you get 'tracked'?
[14:27] <zyga> correct
[14:27] <jdstrand> zyga: considerations the limitations of this, that might make sense, sure
[14:28] <zyga> I probably won't add it today because I'm kind of set with debug for now but as we go into snapctl territory it might be something that's going to show up in a PR
[14:29]  * jdstrand nods
[14:38] <zyga> - Fetch and check assertions for snap "core" (9138) (cannot get device session from store: store server returned status 400 and body "{\"error_list\":[{\"code\":\"invalid-assertion\",\"message\":\"invalid assertion: could not validate model assertion (revision 0 is already the current revision)\"}],\"errors\":[\"invalid assertion: could not validate model assertion (revision 0 is already the current
[14:38] <zyga> revision)\"],\"result\":\"error\"}\n")
[14:38] <zyga> I haven't seen this kind of error beore
[14:38] <zyga> pedronis: ^ just a random spin up of a test that is fixed on a git revision from yesterday
[14:40] <pedronis> zyga: interesting, that might be a new bug
[14:44] <mup> PR snapd#8544 opened: interfaces/firewall-control: allow -legacy and -nft for core20 <Simple 😃> <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8544>
[14:45] <pedronis> zyga: thanks for spotting this, is likely a real issue
[14:56]  * cachio afk -> bank
[15:00] <zyga> pedronis: thank you!
[15:05] <zyga> I need a second review for test helper code: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8515
[15:06] <mup> PR #8515: testutil: add NewDBusTestConn <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8515>
[15:07] <zyga> jdstrand: nice
[15:07] <zyga> uh so the assertion issue seems to be more serious
[15:07] <zyga> I guess snaps are busted now
[15:13] <pstolowski> yeah
[15:14] <pstolowski> Fetch and check assertions for snap "core" (8935) (cannot get device session from store: store server returned status 400 and body.....
[15:14] <om26er> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xcMfkfwNjZ/
[15:14] <om26er> I am seeing that inside multipass ^ is that an issue in the backend or my setup ?
[15:15] <Saviq> om26er: status.snapcraft.io/
[15:15] <pstolowski> om26er: yeah, store
[15:15] <Saviq> https://status.snapcraft.io/ even
[15:16] <roadmr> give it a try now folks :)
[15:16] <Saviq> yup, works here :)
[15:17] <om26er> roadmr, thanks works for me too
[15:19] <roadmr> glad to hear, sorry for the inconvenience
[15:19] <zyga> roadmr: thank you!
[15:27] <mup> PR snapcraft#3077 opened: pluginhandler: skip plugin clean_pull for PluginV2 <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3077>
[16:22] <mvo> has anyone looked at our tests? it looks like we have a bunch of unhappy runs, is the store a bit unhappy?
[16:25] <pedronis> mvo: one issue was related to the deploy of the generic serial code, that has been reverted in the store now
[16:26] <pedronis> it will be fixed and re-deployed
[16:26] <pedronis> there were more transient store issues as well
[16:28] <mvo> pedronis: thanks
[16:31] <pedronis> I don't know if there are other issues
[16:56] <zyga> error: cannot query the store for updates: got unexpected HTTP status code 503 via POST to "https://api.snapcraft.io/v2/snaps/refresh"
[16:56] <zyga> roadmr: ^
[16:56] <zyga> roadmr: is that expected?
[16:57] <roadmr> zyga: sorry :( we're seeing a lot of load and tweaking things to cope
[16:57] <zyga> ack, understood
[16:57] <zyga> man I really need to start using that proxy
[16:57] <roadmr> :)
[16:57] <zyga> roadmr: good luck! (to the whole team)
[16:57] <roadmr> thanks
[17:02] <mup> Issue core20#48 opened: python3 from base causes segfault for confined snaps <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/issue/48>
[17:06] <zyga> jdstrand: ^ is interesting
[17:06] <zyga> jdstrand: did we miss the whole time64 move>
[17:07] <zyga> I cannot even think about how many syscalls are involved there :<
[17:07] <ijohnson> :-(
[17:20] <zyga> I will soft-EOD and go on a bike ride (we can now)
[17:20] <zyga> in about 30 minutes
[17:20] <mup> PR core20#49 opened: fix broken symlinks in /etc/writable <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/49>
[17:30] <mup> PR snapcraft#3078 opened: meson v2 plugin: ignore any staged python when installing meson <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3078>
[18:37] <mup> PR snapcraft#3077 closed: pluginhandler: skip plugin clean_pull for PluginV2 <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3077>
[18:58] <mup> PR snapcraft#3079 opened: cli: add plugin help for core20 <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3079>
[19:11] <mup> PR snapd#8544 closed: interfaces/firewall-control: allow -legacy and -nft for core20 <Simple 😃> <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8544>
[19:13] <mup> PR snapd#8542 closed: boot: store model model and grade information in modeenv <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8542>
[19:14] <mup> PR snapd#8540 closed: o/snapstate: tweak "waiting for restart" message <Simple 😃> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8540>
[19:42] <jdstrand> zyga: I'm looking at the seccomp thing. is https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8496#issuecomment-617993863 something you could do or is that an mvo thing?
[19:42] <mup> PR #8496: interfaces/apparmor: use differently templated policy for non-core bases <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8496>
[19:42] <zyga> jdstrand: checking
[19:42] <zyga> only mvo
[19:43] <zyga> :/
[19:43] <jdstrand> ok
[19:46] <mup> PR snapcraft#3080 opened: repo: fix for multi-arch stage-package scenario <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3080>
[20:01] <mup> PR snapcraft#3078 closed: meson v2 plugin: ignore any staged python when installing meson <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3078>
[20:07] <mup> PR snapd#8545 opened: cmd/snap-bootstrap/initramfs-mounts: mount ubuntu-seed first, other misc changes <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8545>
[20:07] <ijohnson> pedronis: cmatsuoka: opened ^
[20:07] <cmatsuoka> ijohnson: great, thanks!
[20:28] <mup> PR snapcraft#3081 opened: make v2 plugin: also pass make-parameters to install <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3081>
[20:29] <mup> PR snapd#8546 opened: seccomp: add get_tls, io_pg* and *time64/*64 variants for existing syscalls <⚠ Critical> <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8546>
[20:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#3079 closed: cli: add plugin help for core20 <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3079>
[20:52] <mup> PR snapcraft#3082 opened: cli: add list-plugins for core20 <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3082>
[21:28] <mup> PR snapcraft#3076 closed: remote-build: fix case where build log url is None <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3076>
[21:46] <mup> PR snapcraft#3081 closed: make v2 plugin: also pass make-parameters to install <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3081>
[22:32] <mup> PR snapd#8545 closed: cmd/snap-bootstrap/initramfs-mounts: mount ubuntu-seed first, other misc changes <UC20> <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8545>
[22:46] <mup> PR snapcraft#3082 closed: cli: add list-plugins for core20 <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3082>
[23:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#3080 closed: repo: fix for multi-arch stage-package scenario <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3080>
[23:08] <cmatsuoka> ijohnson: I landed your PR and merged master back to the lock access PR, refactoring some common parts in the process
[23:08] <cmatsuoka> ijohnson: you may want to verify if it looks correct
[23:08] <cmatsuoka> ijohnson: will push soon
[23:09] <ijohnson> Thanks cmatsuoka I'll take a look in a bit
[23:11] <cmatsuoka> ijohnson: I'm just creating an image here to make sure it still boots
[23:14] <cmatsuoka> yep, it does
[23:28] <cmatsuoka> oops, some merge errors
[23:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#3075 closed: Edge staged <do-not-merge> <Created by sergiusens> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3075>
[23:43] <cmatsuoka> ijohnson: will be afk for 20min or so, feel free to push to that PR if you feel necessary