[00:17] <poolie> doc patches welcome :)
[00:20] <mgz> lifeless, bug 613247 may interest you.
[00:20] <lifeless> mgz: I saw, it scared me. \o/ qa.
[00:21] <mgz> should have found the time to work that one out fully ages ago, given how annoying it's been and easy it is to fix.
[00:21] <mgz> ^ah, this is a special new bug filed for the underlying testing thing, rather than just the logging module related fallout
[00:25] <Meths> Should bzr just work with 2.7 or only some versions?  Is there a list somewhere or compat matrix of some sort?
[00:26] <mrjazzcat> lifeless: sorry to be dumb.  I updated to https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr-beta-ppa/+archive/ppa, but it doesn't include the bzr package, so how do I get that package to 2.2?
[00:26] <mgz> Meths: there are some bugs, but it's not far off working. I've got another five or so to file with bzr and/or python
[00:27] <Meths> mgz: Okay, thanks.
[00:27] <lifeless> mrjazzcat: I'm not sure, I'm not really up on the bzr ppa story these days.
[00:28] <mrjazzcat> lifeless: makes sense.  I'd rather point this customer to a package than to source, that's all.
[00:29] <lifeless> sure; spiv or poolie may have more answers
[00:31] <mrjazzcat> lifeless: I see the answer.  bzr beta package is here; https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr-nightly-ppa/+archive/ppa
[00:32] <poolie> mrjazzcat: it's only in the nightly for now
[00:32] <poolie> we should get it in the beta ppa soon
[00:33] <mrjazzcat> poolie: hey Martin.  Got it.  Thanks.  Good luck with it all.  cheers
[00:37] <LeLutin_> hello. I'm working on an external tool (a git remote-helper for interacting with bazaar) and I'm having difficulty with figuring out some things about how to use bzrlib..
[01:58] <poolie> LeLutin_: what in particular?
[01:58] <poolie> hi spiv
[02:07] <LeLutin_> poolie: for now, I'm trying to discover branches that can be found on a URL. I think I may have found what I needed (BzrDir.open_containing) but I'm not sure yet..
[02:08] <poolie> yes, that's where you should start
[02:08] <LeLutin_> poolie: oh.. also, I was wondering what made urls like "lp:something" work. I checked out the code from the bzr-fastimport plugin and it seems to automatically receive a "canonical" url
[02:08] <poolie> there's a directory service
[02:08] <poolie> i think looked up by get_transport
[02:08] <poolie> that ends up asking lp what actual url it should use
[02:10] <LeLutin_> hmm ok. I tried giving Branch.open an "lp:.." url and it raised an exception saying that $pwd/lp:.. is not a branch
[02:11] <poolie> you may need get_transport/open_transport
[02:11] <poolie> what are you trying to build?
[02:12] <LeLutin_> oh wait.. must be a plugin that's responsible for handling those then
[02:12] <poolie> yes, the lp plugin does them
[02:12] <poolie> calling bzrlib.initialize should register it
[02:13] <LeLutin_> oh ok. I'll try that
[02:13] <poolie> hm, i'm not sure if that loads plugins by default
[02:14] <LeLutin_> to answer your question: I'm trying to build a remote-helper script for git that will make it possible to add bzr branches/repositories as native git branches
[02:15] <LeLutin_> poolie: is it possible to selectively load bzr plugins?
[02:15] <poolie> interesting
[02:15] <poolie> probably, i don't recall how
[02:17] <poolie> if you look in plugin.py something like calling _load_plugin_module should do it
[02:19] <LeLutin_> poolie: oh ok.. well... thinking a bit more about it, maybe it's a bad idea. people could have other transport plugins that implement different types of urls
[02:20] <poolie> right
[02:20] <poolie> unless you specifically expect some plugins to cause trouble, i'd just load everything
[02:20] <poolie> most of them should only register their capabilities and not actually do anything until asked
[02:24] <LeLutin_> right
[02:27] <LeLutin_> hmm.. AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'initialize'. ipython to the rescue
[02:33] <LeLutin_> hmm. the bzrlib installed on my laptop doesn't have an initialize function
[02:35] <LeLutin_> I'm at bzr 2.1.1-1 (in lucid lynx)
[02:50] <poolie> LeLutin_: ah in that case you have to set up some things manually
[02:50] <poolie> primarily set up the ui_factory and load plugins
[02:56] <LeLutin_> poolie: is it possible to find the API documentation for another version than the last one?
[02:57] <poolie> LeLutin_: hm
[02:57] <LeLutin_> for now, I have this: http://people.canonical.com/~mwh/bzrlibapi/bzrlib.html -- but it's reffering to the latest revision of bzr
[02:57] <poolie> you can run 'make apidoc' in a tree
[03:05] <LeLutin_> oh.. have to d/l the whole 2.1 branch then
[03:08] <LeLutin_> aha, there's a bzr-doc package :) should be faster to d/l than having to wait for launchpad
[03:24] <LeLutin_> poolie: good, bzrlib.plugin.load_plugins() seems to have added the necessary.
[03:24] <LeLutin_> I thought using BzrDir.find_branches(..) would get me a list of branches, but I don't know where to find the transport object that I need to give to it :\
[03:51] <poolie> LeLutin_: transport.get_transport()
[03:53] <LeLutin_> oh, good. I had found BzrDir.root_transport but it spit out an error about list_dir not being implemented for http :(
[04:34] <GungaDin> how do I bzr log commit made by a specific committer?
[04:44] <mwhudson> spiv: hi, did you get anyone to land your codebrowse-oops branch yet?
[04:51] <spiv> mwhudson: not yet
[04:54] <mwhudson> spiv: ok, let's see if i have the necessary bits set up then :-)
[05:00] <mwhudson> spiv: can you add a commit message?
[05:02] <spiv> I'm not really here today.
[05:03] <mwhudson> ok, i'll think of something
[05:33] <poolie> GungaDin: i'd either use grep or maybe write a log formatter that does it
[05:33] <poolie> hi spiv
[07:11] <BjornT_> poolie: hi. could you get someone to look at bug 613066? it's currently blocking work on a branch, although i hope that recreating the branch and copy over the files will work around it (haven't had time to test it yet)
[08:14] <poolie> hi BjornT_
[08:24] <poolie> BjornT_: can you tar up that tree and put it on eg chinstrap?
[08:26] <BjornT_> poolie: sure, just a minute
[08:27] <poolie> it sounds a bit like a dupe but i don't think we've hit exactly that
[08:27] <poolie> also if you recall what you did in this tree that would help
[08:31] <BjornT_> poolie: the tree and repository (it's a lightweight checkout) is in ~bjorn/bug-613066 on chinstrap
[08:32] <BjornT_> poolie: i'll look through the command history to see if i'll find something special. the only thing i can remember is that i used bzr-pipeline and switch pipes just before doing changes, and then getting this error when trying to run bzr diff
[08:36] <BjornT_> poolie: more specifically, before the error i did: bzr pump; bzr lp-propose; bzr switch-pipe :next
[08:36] <BjornT_> after that i modified some files, and got this error running bzr diff
[10:47] <knittl> hi. how does bzr handle the case when one branch adds a file 'test' and another adds a dir 'test'?
[10:52] <fullermd> It would be a conflict, just like if two branches both added files 'test'.
[12:18] <svaksha> i have registered a branch on LP and did an initial commit. later i've added more files to the local dir and tried to push them to LP with 'bzr diff' which was unsuccessful. any idea what am i missing here? TIA.
[12:29] <parthm> svaksha: i am not sure i understand. is 'bzr push' failing?
[12:35] <svaksha> parthm: i'm only able to push the diff's for the old commit. the newly created files dont get pushed.
[12:37] <parthm> svaksha: are you seeing an error message on 'bzr push'?
[12:37] <abeaumont> svaksha: you need to add the new files to the repo with 'bzr add'
[12:37] <ddaa> then commit, then push that
[12:38] <ddaa> unless the files are added, they show as "unknown" in "bzr status", and don't show up in the diff
[12:38] <ddaa> bzr add w/a argument adds all unknown files in the tree
[12:39] <svaksha> abeaumont: that gives the error,  ERROR: No WorkingTree exists
[12:39] <ddaa> svaksha: the add needs to be done wherever you do the commit
[12:40]  * svaksha checks again
[12:40] <ddaa> a working tree is the stuff with the actual content files, when you can make changes, run the code, commit, produce diffs, etc.
[12:40] <ddaa> s/when/where/
[12:46] <svaksha> ddaa: i repeated the process --bzr add, diff,commmit and push, but it only commits to the local dir and push/add does not push new files into LP
[12:46]  * svaksha is missing something
[12:49] <parthm> svaksha: what does 'bzr push' say?
[12:50] <svaksha> parthm: ssh: bazaar.launchpad.net: Name or service not known
[12:50] <svaksha> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[12:50] <svaksha> ^^ latest ..earlier i didnt get this error
[12:51] <parthm> svaksha: looks like a transient network error. i have seen this sometimes but it works when i trying again.
[12:53] <svaksha> parthm: i hope so. /me will check later then. thanks for the help
[12:53] <svaksha> ddaa: thanks
[12:56] <svaksha> parthm, it worked just now. probably was a network issue afterall :)
[12:56] <parthm> svaksha: :)
[16:47] <LeLutin> is it possible to set options for bzr-grep in the bazaar config file?
[16:48] <jelmer> LeLutin: You can set an alias
[18:02] <LeLutin> jelmer: yes of course :)
[18:05] <LeLutin> jelmer: hmm well in fact I can't really set an alias for a command with a space in it.. alias 'bzr grep'=.. is not valid
[18:05] <jelmer> LeLutin: Don't include the 'bzr ' bit, that is implicit.
[18:07] <LeLutin> I already have an alias for grep but bzr-grep doesn't use it
[18:12] <jelmer> LeLutin: not when invoking "bzr grep"  ?
[18:15] <Ddorda> hey there, i'm looking for a way to check what's the current revision i use
[18:18] <LeLutin> jelmer: right. the alias is defined as "alias grep='grep --colo=auto'". when I do a normal "grep something" the color argument is there but when invoking "bzr grep ..." it's not activated
[18:19] <LeLutin> Ddorda: "bzr revno" inside the workdir
[18:19] <Ddorda> LeLutin: awesome, thanks
[18:21] <jelmer> LeLutin: is this in ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf ?
[18:25] <LeLutin> jelmer: nope. this is in my .bashrc :P I don't know how to add the necessary config in bazaar.conf
[18:50] <LeLutin> jelmer: nm, I've found a web page about how to setup bzr command aliases and it works fine.
[18:50] <LeLutin> jelmer: thanks for your help
[18:51] <jelmer> np
[19:22] <mtaylor> FAIL: ShortReadvError: readv() read 0 bytes rather than 6046 bytes at 4096 for "d33aaa4aea5de86f6370880d52c949f5.cix"
[20:18] <lifeless> mtaylor: shoot your file system
[20:20] <fullermd> Right between the inodes?
[21:38] <mtaylor> lifeless: ok
[21:38] <mtaylor> lifeless: well, my local solution was to delete the shared repo, recreate it and re-branch
[21:38] <mtaylor> lifeless: but, tbh - that's still sort of fail
[21:40] <lifeless> mtaylor: your file system only wrote some of the file to disk. It is epic fail.
[21:43] <mtaylor> lifeless: indeed. but I'm not sure I have any control over that filesystem ... so I'd sort of like the thing on top of it to re-fetch from remove if local file is ass ...
[21:43] <mtaylor> fwiw
[21:43] <lifeless> mtaylor: it doesn't have a clue where remote is at the point it finds out that failure
[21:44] <lifeless> mtaylor: it would be like drizzle going back to an appserver a week later and saying 'hey, can you give me that users full name again? thanks!'
[21:44] <mtaylor> hehe
[21:44] <lifeless> mtaylor: or are you saying this happened without a crash of some sort in the middle?
[21:45] <mtaylor> lifeless: it is possible there was a disk-full situation on the machine
[21:45] <lifeless> ah
[21:45] <lifeless> mtaylor: and your fs didn't tell userspace. win.
[21:45] <lifeless> mtaylor: you might like to put that in the 'perhaps we should fsync' bug
[21:45] <mtaylor> ah. that explains it - we're running xfs there
[21:46]  * mtaylor shoots stewart
[21:46] <lifeless> bzr assumes, reasonably, that when it writes and closes a file, the fs considers it 'ok'
[21:49] <mtaylor> lifeless: just for my edification - in the future, is there any way to say to bzr "hey, could you just delete any corrupted shit you've got" so that on a subsequent pull operation it would just fetch unknown objects as usual?
[21:49] <lifeless> rm -rf :(
[21:49] <mtaylor> k
[21:49] <lifeless> it would be nice to have a fsrepair thingy
[21:49] <mtaylor> well, that's what I did this time
[21:49] <mtaylor> and then I was like "wow, I haven't branched drizzle from scratch in a VERY long time"
[21:58] <thumper> LeLutin: there is also a 'bzr alias' command that operates very similar to the bash alias command
[23:17] <jelmer> abentley: Hi!
[23:18] <jelmer> abentley: I've had another look at implementation infrastructure for custom merge directives in bzrlib, and was wondering if you could have a quick look to see if my approach is reasonable, when you have a moment.


[19:26] <cmaloney> morning
[19:32] <greg-g> ahoy hoy
[20:09] <rick_h> party
[20:52] <mrgoodcat> is it morning?
[20:52] <mrgoodcat> where is cmaloney
[20:53] <mrgoodcat> rick_h: took delivery on the bike. proud owner of an obnoxious yellow santa cruz tallboy
[20:53] <rick_h> mrgoodcat:  woot woot
[20:53] <rick_h> mrgoodcat:  that was earlier than expected?
[20:53] <rick_h> mrgoodcat:  so when are we riding?
[20:53] <mrgoodcat> it was about when I expected
[20:53] <mrgoodcat> i am down to ride any time
[20:53] <rick_h> oh I thought it was a fall thing
[20:53] <rick_h> ignore me then
[20:54] <mrgoodcat> i had to drive to GR to get it
[20:54] <rick_h> hah, well getting it > *
[20:54] <rick_h> mrgoodcat:  how far is pontiac lake for you?
[20:54] <mrgoodcat> most shops were quoting me late fall or even early next year for new bikes, but this shipment apparently was one a shop in GR ordered in like january that had been indefinitely delayed
[20:54] <rick_h> cool, congrats
[20:54] <mrgoodcat> the guy called me and told me i could have one but i needed to decide that day
[20:54] <mrgoodcat> uh.... 30 minutes?
[20:54] <rick_h> lol, no pressure sales
[20:55] <mrgoodcat> ya lol
[20:55] <rick_h> I was going to go hit pontiac lake after work either wed or thurs if you're game
[20:55] <mrgoodcat> luckily for me I had already put a deposit down on a bike that would have been delivered in the fall, so he was calling to see if i wanted to switch to an R build in order to be able to get it sooner
[20:55] <mrgoodcat> so it wasn't like a cold call
[20:55] <rick_h> cool stuff
[20:56] <mrgoodcat> i'm probably in for that. wed might be wet depending on how much it storms tomorrow
[20:56] <rick_h> yea, have to play it by ear with the rain for sure
[20:56] <rick_h> but it also doesn't hold too much water it's so sandy and such
[20:57] <mrgoodcat> also with my legs. I am in a multi-week stretch of 50+ mile weeks and I need to give myself some rest eventually
[20:58] <rick_h> mrgoodcat:  meh it's just a 10mi loop :)
[20:58] <rick_h> but yea, with the rain you'll get a couple of days off easy
[20:58] <mrgoodcat> so far i've only ridden highland and merril trail on the new bike
[20:58] <rick_h> cool
[20:58] <mrgoodcat> highland I only did A and B, not C or D
[20:59] <rick_h> I've not tried highland in a long time.  Do you have my number or such?
[21:00] <mrgoodcat> don't think i do actually
[21:00] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: it's morning somewhere.
[21:00] <mrgoodcat> ha
[21:18] <mrgoodcat> rick_h: either pm me your # or i'll reach out on here when we get closer
[21:18] <mrgoodcat> off to go ride now actually
[21:18]  * mrgoodcat tips hat


[00:13] <daftykins> diddledan: yeah it's becoming a bit crazy the whole sex scandal stuff, don't know whether it's legit or what
[00:14] <daftykins> though a mates uncle apparently said something about such things being a lot more acceptable back in the day :S
[00:14] <daftykins> whatever that means
[00:37] <diddledan> daftykins: sorta like <croaky old-man voice>"back in my day you could fiddle with whoever you liked"?</croaky>
[00:38] <diddledan> I think rather than it being acceptable it was more not known and/or swept under the carpet and placed behind closed doors
[00:42] <daftykins> could well be
[00:43] <daftykins> i'm a bit torn though 'cause you've got the likes of Rolf Harris as a national treasure that will likely never work again, regardless of which way the court ruling goes
[00:43] <diddledan> yeah
[00:44] <diddledan> I really don't want the stories of Rolf to be true
[00:47] <daftykins> but obviously justice should be served =/
[00:47] <diddledan> indeed
[00:48] <daftykins> though i'm not sure anyone really gets any result from seeing someone locked up so many years down the line
[00:49] <diddledan> the only benefit I see from doing so is if there's a chance they'll reoffend
[00:49] <daftykins> yeah
[00:49] <daftykins> seems a bit late given most have had so many years to do whatever
[00:58] <shauno> anyone know if it'd cause any problems to wire the usb power rails together on a Pi?  (ie, from the two usbhost ports to the power microusb)
[01:24] <ali12341> shauno: check the schematic - the usb rails are all connected together anyway iirc, except that there's the polyfuse on one of them
[01:24] <ali12341> so basically all you'd be doing is removing the polyfuse from the circuit
[01:26] <shauno> fair enough.  I jsut recall getting odd looks when I had the previous revision backfed  (powering the usbhost sockets powered the board; I'm not sure if this is still the case)
[01:27] <ali12341> i'm pretty sure that hasn't changed, but removing the polyfuse is risky of course
[01:51] <daftykins> shauno: maybe you had the big monkey with you at the time? :>
[01:52] <daftykins> "here's my incredibly small r-pi and here's my incredibly large monkey!"
[01:54] <shauno> :(  don't judge me, I like my monkey
[01:55] <shauno> I think that one was a happy accident; I used one of the Y cables from a harddrive to power a 3g modem, and discovered that unplugging the pi didn't reboot it
[01:58] <daftykins> oh no i'm supporting you and your monkey, sir
[07:07] <mapps> yo
[07:07]  * mapps is excited about ibiza
[07:30] <MartijnVdS> mapps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXXRHpVed3M ?
[07:32] <mapps> need
[07:32] <mapps> for smoke
[07:33] <mapps> :D
[07:36] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> \o knightwise
[07:43] <knightwise> jeu MartijnVdS !è
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: that's not a word ;)
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> "!è"?
[08:03]  * popey waves from that london
[08:04] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[08:04] <AlanBell> that is bright and early to be in the city
[08:04] <popey> indeed
[08:27] <knightwise> it is now :)
[08:28] <knightwise> hey popey AlanBell
[08:28] <SuperMatt> morning all
[08:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Data Privacy Day! :-D
[08:41] <SuperMatt> \o/
[08:41] <SuperMatt> what a nice day
[08:41] <diplo> Morning all
[08:42]  * popey can hear davmor2
[08:51] <mapps> hey
[08:51] <mapps> hi popey
[08:51] <mapps> popey, youre in farnbirough?
[08:52] <mapps> im quite close to where you are i think :)
[08:52] <mapps> Bisley
[08:53] <jussi> hrm, anyone know any standalone *desktop* (not a php/cloud solution) lead management tools? (like pipedrive.com, but standalone, desktop client)
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> jussi: desktop CRM? Why?!
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> jussi:  "installed on own server" close enough? AlanBell in that case :)
[09:10] <jussi> MartijnVdS: I need something personally. not for sharing with anyone else, that runs stand alone here on My PC.
[09:11] <davmor2> hey popey  fancy meeting you here :)
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> jussi: Yeah, so you run it on your own PC, listening only on <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:11] <jussi> MartijnVdS: openerp doesnt seem to cut it at the moment - it doesnt have a proper sales process for anything apart from tangible goods.
[09:12] <mapps> morning
[09:12] <jussi> oh wait, I can install more modules, lemme play more...
[09:12] <mapps> gooing on Ibiza MartijnVdS  :D
[09:13] <popey> mapps: no, I'm in London ☻
[09:14] <jussi> MartijnVdS: hrm, actually that might be an interesting Idea, install openerp locally...
[09:15] <mapps> ah
[09:15] <mapps> i tought you were near me popey
[09:15] <mapps> im from Biskey
[09:15] <popey> i am
[09:15] <popey> I live in farnborough
[09:15] <popey> ☻
[09:15] <mapps> yea
[09:15] <popey> i know bisley a bit
[09:15] <mapps> you know bisley then
[09:15] <mapps> yea
[09:16] <mapps> and pirbright
[09:17] <ali12341> ha biskey?
[09:17] <mapps> Bisley;p
[09:17] <mapps> surrey's nice popey
[09:17] <mapps> i domt live there anmore anyway
[09:19] <popey> friend of mine lived in arethusa way
[09:19] <popey> actually, first date with wifey, we went to the pub at the end of bisley, near brookwood
[09:20] <mapps> popey,  thats real cose tpo where i am
[09:20] <mapps> heh
[09:20] <mapps> bis;leys nice like no?
[09:20] <mapps> i wish i still lived there:D
[09:21] <mapps> its where my dad lives
[09:21] <popey> yeah, nice area
[09:23] <Laney> bisley pellets
[09:23] <Laney> forever burned into my eyes
[09:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:23] <Laney> (not literally)
[09:23] <Laney> (that would be painful)
[09:24] <bigcalm> Would it? Are there nerve endings in the eyeball?
[09:24] <bigcalm> The front bit that is
[09:25] <Laney> ever poked yourself in the eye?
[09:26] <bigcalm> Yes, but that's pushing the whole ball back into the socket. I'm wondering if you'd feel anything if the lens was damaged
[09:26] <foobarry> clear
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: have you ever had a branch (of a tree) hit you in the eye?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: that's painful and teary for a week at least
[09:28] <foobarry> you guys are grim
[09:28] <jussi> Im pretty sure there are - how else do you feel a peice of dust in your eye?
[09:28]  * bigcalm keeps quiet
[09:28] <popey> davmor2: options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1
[09:29] <foobarry> my problems with intel 6230 wifi were made better by disabling powersaving
[09:32] <davmor2> popey: ta I'll try it and and report back :D
[09:34] <bigcalm> davmor2: you're up early
[09:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: in London I've been up since 0400
[09:35] <bigcalm> davmor2: ah, it's a Calonical day
[09:36] <foobarry> colonical?
[09:38] <bigcalm> It's a running joke from our LUG
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> Colonical?
[09:40] <foobarry> note to self. its not cex.com, its cex.co.uk for the electronic exchange store
[09:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: remind me to hurt you when I see you next :D
[09:41] <bigcalm> \o/
[09:43] <DJones> Are there any offline roadmap/navigation apps people would recommend for android, starting to try a couple out, wondered if there are any really good ones to try
[09:46] <ali12341> the tomtom one?
[09:46] <DJones> The two that seem to get really good comments are Sygic and MapFactor
[09:48] <DJones> Tomtom one seems to have pretty poor reviews
[10:02] <Myrtti> DJones: google maps 'offline' maps aren't available?
[10:02] <DJones> Myrtti: No as far as I know, that facility was removed a while back
[10:03] <Myrtti> well android still kinda has it, but it's not available everywhere
[10:03] <dwatkins> DJones: this appears to be a list: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android
[10:03] <dwatkins> many of the apps mention offline
[10:03] <DJones> You can get a small area if you download it beforehand, but doesn't have full details from what I've read
[10:05] <DJones> Just downloading Mapfactor to compare to Sygic
[10:19] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[10:22] <SuperMatt> morning brobostigon
[10:22] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[10:25] <diddledan> foobarry: the .com is blocked by opendns' malware detector
[10:35] <bigcalm> Is there an easy way to awk/sed/grep (I don't know what) the current tag for a git repo?
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: my propmt does it, so probably :)
[10:36] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: mine too, good point
[10:37] <bigcalm> export PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w\[\033[31m\]$(__git_ps1 "(%s)") \[\033[01;34m\]$\[\033[00m\] '
[10:37]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> __git_ps1 is defined in /usr/lib/git-core/git-sh-prompt
[10:37] <bigcalm> Oh
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> maybe "git describe" is what you want?
[10:39] <bigcalm> This is for an automated deploy script. Need to create remote directories based upon the tag
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: have a look at "git describe"
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> it does tag + sha
[10:40] <bigcalm> $ git describe
[10:40] <bigcalm> fatal: No names found, cannot describe anything.
[10:40] <bigcalm> I'm guessing I need to tag before it'll work?
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> probably
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> maybe add some options.. --help ;)
[10:41] <bigcalm> No, I expect other people to do my work for me! :P
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: well, look at stackexchange then ;)
[10:42] <bigcalm> Hehe, some people are rather lazy on there
[10:42] <bigcalm> I hope I'm not being hypocritical now
[10:44] <ali12341> bigcalm: what do you actually want to do?
 This is for an automated deploy script. Need to create remote directories based upon the tag
[10:44] <ali12341> ok. yeah, git describe is almost certainly what you want
[10:44] <bigcalm> Grand :)
[10:45] <ali12341> by default it does <repo name>-<tag>-<number of commits since tag>-<commit sha>
[10:45] <ali12341> so it's always unique to where you are in history
[10:46] <bigcalm> Aha
[10:47] <ali12341> see also git archive
[10:50] <bigcalm> aquarius: found the holy grail of printers yet?
[10:50] <aquarius> no.
[10:51] <aquarius> It's not even *for* me
[10:51] <aquarius> my dad has two printers, a cheap laser and an inkjet, and is sick to the back teeth of both of them not working
[10:51] <aquarius> hence him asking me for advice, and me asking you lot :)
[10:51] <bigcalm> I'm happy with the Lexmark laser printer I have. I understand that other people have problems with devices though...
[10:54] <ali12341> we've got a HP M175NW
[10:54] <ali12341> it works fine. cheap printer but the toner is expensive, but that's not a problem if you don't print very much
[10:54] <ali12341> the demo cartridges have lasted a year already
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: I have an HP CP1515n, had it for several years, haven't replaced the demo carts yet
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> Also, it works very well (no malfunctions yet)
[10:57] <aquarius> so, "works fine" and "no malfunctions" means that you never get the thing where you send a page to print and nothing happens, or the computer can't see the printer, or the printer won't print and needs to be power-cycled, or...?
[10:57] <ali12341> they are both network printers
[10:57] <aquarius> you just go "file > print" in some app and it prints, every time?
[10:57] <ali12341> sure
[10:57] <aquarius> blimey.
[10:57] <ali12341> (on linux)
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: the only times it didn't print, was when I broke cups
[10:57] <ali12341> windows printing is totally random, doesn't matter what printer you have
[10:58] <aquarius> ooh, man, that HP M175NW is two hundred quid.
[10:58] <aquarius> that's cheap?
[10:58] <ali12341> it was £99 on argos last year
[10:58] <ali12341> also it's a scanner and copier
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> isn't that the one popey has as well?
[10:58] <bashrc> avoid printers unless there really isn't any alternative
[10:58] <ali12341> don't think so
[10:58] <aquarius> bashrc, there isn't. I made that argument and was rebuffed.
[10:59] <bashrc> in my experience, printers are always trouble - even if you buy the most fancy expensive machinery
[10:59] <aquarius> bashrc, I agree wholeheartedly with that assessment. However, no choice here, hence looking for recommendations for the least worst.
[11:00] <ali12341> i generally find network printers work best, as they're not relyng so much on the OS
[11:00] <aquarius> network is a good idea. My laser is networked.
[11:00] <aquarius> I assume network printers have wifi these days?
[11:00] <ali12341> the 175 does
[11:00] <ali12341> and ipv6 too
[11:00] <bashrc> yes, a network printer might reduce any compatibility problems
[11:01] <ali12341> and it comes configured to serve up a public access point into your network
[11:01] <ali12341> which is not so good
[11:01] <popey> that is the printer I have
[11:01] <popey> this one has wired and wifi
[11:01] <ali12341> yeah. i'm using it wired
[11:01] <ali12341> didn't notice it was also letting the general public onto our network
[11:01] <popey> mostly wifey uses it. I don't use it much
[11:01] <popey> on nice
[11:02] <aquarius> I mostly don't care about the public access point thing. :)
[11:02] <directhex> oh, it's aquarius
[11:02] <aquarius> and I can probably turn that off, anyway
[11:02] <aquarius> heya directhex
[11:02] <ali12341> you can, i have :)
[11:02] <aquarius> popey, you've got the M175NW?
[11:02]  * aquarius looks at wifi HP laser printers.
[11:03] <ali12341> you can make it just join your existing network too of course
[11:04] <aquarius> ali12341, which is exactly what I shall do
[11:04] <aquarius> I suspect I'll need to connect it with usb first to get at a config util to set the wpa key, or something.
[11:04] <ali12341> nope
[11:04] <ali12341> i've never plugged it in on USB
[11:05] <aquarius> ali12341, how did you teach it the wpa key?
[11:05] <ali12341> i didn't - i use it wired
[11:05] <ali12341> but you can configure it over the network, so either get a ethernet cable or join it's default public wifi
[11:05] <popey> aquarius: ya
[11:05] <aquarius> oh, sneaky
[11:05] <ali12341> USB requires installing the silly drivers
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> 200GB drivers, probably, on Windows?
[11:06] <aquarius> yeah, I'll just make it be wired for five minutes.
[11:06] <ali12341> MartijnVdS: yeah, exactly
[11:06] <aquarius> hplip supports it, so dad'll be fine
[11:06] <ali12341> i thinky ou still need the drivers to print from windows
[11:06] <popey> its not a fast printer
[11:06] <popey> i haven't printed to it from linux yet
[11:07] <ali12341> it works perfectly with ubuntu
[11:07] <bigcalm> Does it offer airprint? - found this to be a requirement by my mother for their new printers
[11:07] <popey> nice
[11:07] <ali12341> it's not fast but that's not a problem unless you are self publishing your novel or something
[11:07] <popey> well, wifey wants to print lots of school work
[11:07] <popey> but yeah, mostly thats fire and forget
[11:08] <ali12341> it's also not eaxctly slow compared with say, any inkjet
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> also, you can touch the paper later on without it streaking
[11:09] <Dave2> I wonder if you can sensibly get a dot matrix printer shared via CUPS.
[11:09] <aquarius> don't care about print speed, as long as it's not taking half an hour per page or something :)
[11:10] <ali12341> it's mostly warm up/warm down
[11:10] <ali12341> printing 10 pages only takes slightly longer than printing 1 page
[11:10] <aquarius> bigcalm, don't need airprint -- parents are both Android phones, and I honestly can't imagine for the life of me them ever printing anything from phone anyway ;)
[11:10] <aquarius> ali12341, yeah, that's how most stuff works in my experience
[11:12] <popey> i dont find that's the case with what I print
[11:12] <popey> takes an age to print complex pdf things
[11:12] <popey> if i print a 10 page doc, it takes as long for each page, sometimes a minute
[11:13] <Dave2> ...huh. Apparently you _can_ print to a dot matrix printer using CUPS, which means you could share one over the network. Learn something new every dya.
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> Dave2: Why not?
[11:14] <diplo> Dave2: We have probably 800+ dot matrixs with CUPS :/
[11:14] <diplo> Over over customer base
[11:14] <Dave2> I didn't expect CUPS and dot matrix support being relevant to have a huge overlap.
[11:14] <Dave2> diplo: nice.
[11:15] <Dave2> People still make printer paper?
[11:15] <aquarius> diplo, eight hundred printers. That's terrifying.
[11:15] <diplo> Moved mainly to printer servers now, and slowly getting them to spend money on laser printers
[11:15] <aquarius> I was going to ask where you got fanfold paper from these days too!
[11:15] <diplo> Paper is the easy part, the printers are extortionate and hard to get
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: ebay ;)
[11:15] <ali12341> TIL that rivers don't meander because the water on the outside of the bend travels faster than the water on the inside
[11:16] <ali12341> it's actually because the outside bank does all the work of redirecting the centripetal force
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> ali12341: that's the effect, not the cause.
[11:16] <Myrtti> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/27/hello-ruby-kids-coding-book-kickstarter
[11:16] <Myrtti> \o/
[11:16] <diplo> aquarius: we are a software/hardware company, we support the printers for 95% of our customers and they're skin flints when it comes to renewing hardward
[11:16] <diplo> Still have 1 customer running Redhat 7
[11:16] <diplo> !!
[11:16] <ali12341> MartijnVdS: it's not even true because of vortex flow, apparently
[11:16] <brobostigon> is it possible, to boot usb deviced using grub2, without bios usb boot support. ?
[11:16] <brobostigon> devices*
[11:16] <ali12341> i was lied to in school, yet again
[11:17] <aquarius> diplo, well... dot matrix printers were, in my experience, considerably more reliable than newer inkjet/laser printers in terms of actually printing rather than pretending to print, not lying about how much ink they have left, etc.
[11:17] <aquarius> of course, they jammed and ate paper like it was going out of fashion, but you've gotta take the rough with the smooth.
[11:18] <diplo> I don't know, I'd take networked printers 100% over dot matrix now days from my experience
[11:18] <ali12341> aquarius: that's because dot matrix printers accept one character at a time and print it immediately
[11:18] <bashrc> yes, I bet there are still companies out there using dot matrix printers and fanfold paper
[11:19] <aquarius> ali12341, yeah.
[11:19] <diplo> Much easier to maintain/fix/swap out
[11:19] <aquarius> I agree that it's easier to make it work when it's simpler. :)
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: http://r.ebay.com/PBCQXX
[11:20] <aquarius> clearly the answer is.... a networked dot matrix printer!
[11:20] <aquarius> kickstarter!
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: Raspberry Pi + serial dot matrix printer + some glue
[11:20] <ali12341> i've got a MPS-802 in the loft
[11:21] <aquarius> actually I'm sure I've got a parallel jetdirect around here somewhere.
[11:21] <ali12341> so old it's not even serial
[11:21] <diplo> jetdirect \o/ we have lots of those as well
[11:21] <bigcalm> Going back to git tags, looks like phing can do a lot for me anyway :) http://www.phing.info/docs/guide/stable/apcs23.html
[11:21] <diplo> Actually :( they're more of a PITA than dot matrix's
[11:22] <diplo> bigcalm: Get back off topic!
[11:22] <diplo> :P
[11:22] <bigcalm> Ha :P
[11:26] <bigcalm> Killed the convo. yay
[11:27] <ali12341> a project builder written in PHP based on ant? are you completely insane??
[11:28] <bigcalm> I love the hate PHP gets
[11:28] <ali12341> i working on some php code right now
[11:28] <ali12341> it's horrible
[11:28] <ali12341> instead of functions, they wrote one function that takes a string param and has a huge switch inside it
[11:29] <diddledan> ali12341: ouch
[11:29] <bigcalm> I'm sure you could do that in pretty much any language
[11:29] <Dave2> 11:20:22 <      aquarius> clearly the answer is.... a networked dot matrix printer!
[11:29] <ali12341> then instead of using functions like doSomethingWithAUsefulName() they call hugeFunction("123")
[11:29] <Dave2> hey, that was what started me off on this, wondering how easy it'd be to share via CUPS. And apparently you can.
[11:29] <ali12341> and literally all the params are just numeric codes
[11:29] <Dave2> (It'll even print non-character data. Very slowly.)
[11:30] <popey> Laney: you run spotify on 14.04? crashy?
[11:30] <Laney> yes, no
[11:30] <ali12341> bigcalm: but only a php developer would actually do it in production code
[11:30] <popey> hm
[11:30] <popey> Laney: when running do you have 2xspotify and 5xspotifyhelper processes?
[11:31] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6831469/
[11:31] <popey> thus
[11:31] <Laney> laney@iota> pgrep -fc SpotifyHelper                                                                                ~
[11:31] <Laney> 9
[11:31] <popey> hm
[11:31] <popey> trying to figure out which process to attach to in gdb
[11:32] <bigcalm> popey: spotify works for me in 14.04
[11:32] <ali12341> this huge function controls all the SQL queries in the entire website, so anywhere else in the code you don't see getArticles() or whatever. you see query("123")
[11:32] <bigcalm> popey: not crashed any more than in 12.04 - 13.10 for me
[11:32] <ali12341> to add insult to injury, every case works by getting the entire table and then selecting rows inside php code
[11:32] <ali12341> and some page views call it multiple times
[11:33] <ali12341> spotify is very crashy on 13.10 for me
[11:34] <Laney> it used to be like that for me, but then it got fixed
[11:34] <Laney> I'd see deadlock messages when running it from the terminal
[11:34] <Laney> forget if that was 13.10 or trusty
[11:35] <bigcalm> Some times spotify will take control of the whole system. I fix that by pressing alt and typing exit
[11:35] <bigcalm> But this has happened for me since I 1st used Spotify in Unity
[11:35] <ali12341> the new flash plugin has developed a nasty bug where it deadlocks the GPU. there's no recovering from that :/
[11:36] <bashrc> flash is the spawn of the devil
[11:36] <popey>   Installed: 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.g644e24e.428-1
[11:36] <popey> and thats the version of spotify you guys are on?
[11:36] <Laney> yup
[11:37]  * bigcalm gets his laptop
[11:37]  * popey deletes .config/spotify and starts fresh
[11:38] <bigcalm> <IP_ADDRESS>.g644e24e0
[11:39] <bigcalm> That's from Spotify's only Help -> About Spotify...
[11:41] <bigcalm> s/only/own
[11:44] <bigcalm> As much as I love my new laptop, I keep forgetting how heavy it is
[11:47] <bigcalm> Does anybody else get this: viewing a terminal with black background, lines of red and green text, brain wobbles as it keeps seeing the alternating colours in a 3d type way
[11:47] <bigcalm> I suck at describing things
[11:47] <popey> no
[11:47] <ali12341> yes
[11:47] <ali12341> there's a reason for that
[11:47] <ali12341> it involves different wavelengths
[11:48] <bigcalm> Viewing git diffs it happens all the time
[11:49] <popey> oh i see
[11:49] <ali12341> you could change the colours if it's really bad
[11:49] <popey> i thought you meant you saw lineds
[11:49] <popey> *lines
[11:49] <bigcalm> I could, it amuses me. I will if it ever stops me from reading :)
[11:50] <ali12341> red/blue to make the effect "worse"
[11:50] <bigcalm> Nice
[11:50] <ali12341> (because they are the most different wavelengths)
[11:50] <bigcalm> Of course, opposite ends of the visible light spectrum
[11:51] <ali12341> apparently it's because of chromatic abberation, ie you can't quite focus on them both at the same time because of the different wavelengths
[11:51] <bigcalm> Green pops out while red sinks back
[11:51] <ali12341> yeah. different focal length tricks your brain into thinking it is further away
[11:52] <ali12341> presumably this would still happen even if you are colour blind
[11:55] <bigcalm> Coo, that's unexpected
[11:56] <foobarry> new dr who costume looks like barney stintsons magician dad
[11:56] <SuperMatt> hahaha
[11:56] <SuperMatt> I just don't think it's different enough from the last two, tbh
[11:57] <SuperMatt> different colours, to be sure, but it's still quite a stuffy look
[11:57] <SuperMatt> I liked 9's look
[11:58] <foobarry> they are going for jon pertwee look
[11:59] <popey> you know a whovian by the fact that they say "9" rather than the actor name
[12:00] <diddledan> lol
[12:01] <DJones> SuperMatt: 9... as in 7 of 9 ? Thats a different series :)
[12:01] <diddledan> where does the doctor that almost destroyed galifrey fit in the timeline?
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: 8.5
[12:01] <bigcalm> DJones: she was called 7 though
[12:01] <SuperMatt> popey: All right, I mean Christopher Ecclestone
[12:02] <SuperMatt> who I think is extremely underrated
[12:02] <diddledan> SuperMatt: no e
[12:02] <DJones> bigcalm: Good call, looking at too many numbers
[12:02] <SuperMatt> ah, I have been told
[12:06] <ali12341> i'm with you on that one. eccleston is by far the best actor to play doctor who in colour
[12:07] <ali12341> also as a northerner he's the closest they've ever got to casting a minority actor
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> ali12341: they have a Scot now
[12:08] <ali12341> good point
[12:08] <ali12341> i'm looking forward to the new series
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> ali12341: only 7 more months
[12:09] <shauno> 10 was a scot too?
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> shauno: yes, but he hid it
[12:10] <bigcalm> Did he hide it when they went to Tourchwood in Scotland?
[12:11] <shauno> (and 9 was a northerner  lol)
[12:15] <shauno> my biggest problem with capaldi's apparent costume, is that it means that I now have to find & reattach the bottom button on my jacket, less people think I'm aping him intentionally
[12:16] <SuperMatt> I've already noted that I have almost everything I need for a capaldi cosplay
[12:16] <SuperMatt> just need the jacket really
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: just rob shauno
[12:21] <shauno> :|  please don't.  it's cold
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: just robe shauno
[12:23] <shauno> spotted in the news this morning that dutch courts have struck down the IP block of TPB.  rather impressive
[12:28] <shauno> seems to boil down to "the blocks obviously don't work, so we shouldn't force companies to bark up the wrong tree".
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> shauno: yes :) \o/
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> yay completely unfiltered internet again
[12:34] <brobostigon> anways, can grub2 boot off usb devices, without bios usb support?
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: no, because the BIOS can't boot into grub2 if it can't read grub2 off the USB device in the first place
[12:36] <shauno> what if grub is on something it can boot?  eg grub on the hdd where you'd expect it, but with an option to loop boot an iso off a thumbdrive?
[12:37] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i see, ok. cant i just tell grub2 which is already on the hdd, and point it at the grub thats on the usb device?
[12:37] <MartijnVdS> Probably not, as grub doesn't have USB drivers
[12:37] <brobostigon> ok,
[12:38] <brobostigon> ohwell,
[12:38] <diddledan> has anyone played with openvz enough to find out what might cause a guest mysql server to be unable to access it's files? I've just had a website go down where mysql reported that the tables didn't exist yet all the files were visible on the filesystem
[12:39] <diddledan> I'm wondering if doing a live migration to a different server might cause it?
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: shared memory, I think
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: postgresql can't run in OVZ instances either
[12:39] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: ouch
[12:39] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: I'm not telling the client they bought a duff vps :-p
[12:40] <diddledan> (they organised it and told us to put their site on there without asking us whether it's a good idea or anything. just unilaterally decided to buy a server and impose it upon us)
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: The Googles suggest it's an innodb+openvz thing
[12:41] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[12:46] <bigcalm> Can you check if two file names point to the same inode (hard links)?
[12:47] <diddledan> bigcalm: ls -i
[12:48] <shauno> I usually end up searching for them (assuming they're not in the same folder), find -samefile is your friend
[12:48] <diddledan> shauno: nie
[12:48] <diddledan> nice
[12:48] <bigcalm> Ta
[12:50] <shauno> (and -xdev to stop it bothering searching other filesystems, since that's not a possibility.  so find /path -xdev -samefile /as/this/file )
[12:51] <bigcalm> That does look handy
[12:51] <shauno> seems silly that that's not a default behaviour.  find will happily wander across mounts where the hardlink can't possibly be
[13:01]  * popey just learned that we're going to backport 3.13 to precise.
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: as part of the LTS enablement stack?
[13:02] <popey> ya
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> sounds logical, 12.04 still has a few years of support left, even after 14.04 comes out
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> I can imagine people want to run the same version everywhere
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> and not a mix of 12.04 and 14.04
[13:03] <popey> suspect 3.13 will be the last one
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> Yeah, with newer LTS enablement (14.10 etc.) going into 14.04 only
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> "time to wake up and smell the upgrade" ;)
[13:04] <popey> ☻
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> also, 14.10 -- 10 years of Ubuntu
[13:04] <knightwise> morning
[13:04] <knightwise> 10 years ? has it been that long ?
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: 4.10 was the very first, warty warthog :)
[13:05]  * knightwise thinks that is where he started too
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: it's the one with the naked people backgrounds
[13:05] <knightwise> http://mobile.osnews.com/img/9097/ubuntu2.jpg
[13:05] <knightwise> Yep ! :) that was the one :)
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AnSn_cSIfE
[13:07] <Myrtti> I dug up a 5.10 disk yesterday when I was doing my "emptying and clearing one mess at a time before moving" strategy
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: I found a 6.06 disk this weekend. Didn't try it :(
[13:08] <Myrtti> I ordered a massive box of 5.10's for a school project
[13:11] <Dave2> 6.06 the number of the ...drake
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> dapper!
[13:12] <popey> ignore anything davmor2 says now.
[13:12] <bigcalm> o.O
[13:12] <davmor2> popey: is apparently fantastic
[13:13] <bigcalm> A swapping of machines I guess
[13:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: no he broke his beloved fs
[13:14] <Myrtti> filesystem?
[13:14] <Myrtti> OH NO
[13:14] <Myrtti> has BTRFS FINALLY DISAPPOINTED POPEY?!?!?!
[13:14] <Myrtti> STAY TUNED FOR BREAKING NEWS
[13:14] <davmor2> no it's x
[13:14] <Myrtti> :-P
[13:15] <davmor2> we just blamed btrfs cause we knew it upset popey
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> oh it's his memory leak? :)
[13:19] <bigcalm> Anybody here using an office 365 account in thunderbird and find it takes a long time for the smtp connection to be made when sending email?
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I have used it in the past, and yes it takes forever
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: also imap disconnects randomly
[13:22] <popey> pffft
[13:22] <popey> for some strange reason compiz exploded then lightdm wouldn't start
[13:22] <popey> all find now
[13:22] <popey> -typos
[13:23] <bigcalm> popey: somebody has moved your keys around
[13:23] <popey> unfortunately davmor2 left his desk with his laptop locked, so i couldn't dick about with it
[13:24] <davmor2> popey: yeah not that dumb :P
[13:24] <bigcalm> Something he never did at our work place days. I think you guys have some trust issues to work out
[13:31] <foobarry> why is it that some iphone users don't know how to upload a photo to facebook but they know how to upload a screenshot of a photo? is it that hard?
[13:31] <knightwise> No , taking a screenshot is too easy
[13:32] <foobarry> bigcalm: YES
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: sure but don't they end up in the same place as photos?
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: with the same "Share" button?
[13:33] <foobarry> sending a mail via smtp takes > 30 s
[13:33] <foobarry> i asked for onsite smtp realy but they didn't understand the words
[13:33] <bigcalm> foobarry: yes?
[13:33] <bigcalm> Ah, okay
[13:33] <foobarry> sucks harder than any mail system i ever saw
[13:33] <foobarry> imap is super slow too
[13:34] <bigcalm> At least it gave me the chance to cancel sending, alter the email and resend :)
[13:34] <foobarry> yeah
[13:34] <bigcalm> Not to be relied upon though
[13:34] <foobarry> the response from work is "thunderbird is not supported"
[13:34] <bigcalm> Right, lunch time!
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: "Use outlook!"
[13:34] <foobarry> thats funny because it was supported before you introduced the problems
[13:36] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: they did say that
[13:36] <awilkins> Yick, yes
[13:36] <foobarry> i'd rather go without email than use outlook
[13:36] <awilkins> Alas, Outlook is the only sensible option for NHS mail
[13:36] <awilkins> IMAP is only available if you're inside the NHS network
[13:37] <awilkins> Because you dare not expose Exchange's IMAP implementation (or, actually, Exchange) to the naked internet
[13:37] <foobarry> MS do
[13:37] <awilkins> Sure it's not through an app proxy?
[13:38] <awilkins> We have Exchange available over the internet but it's via this other thing that's an XMLRPC proxy
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: but they're the only ones who have people on their payroll who can look at the source and go "Ah, there's the problem" is something goes horribly wrong
[13:38] <popey> foobarry: yeah, I've wondered why people do that too
[13:38] <awilkins> They bought it from an Israeli security firm
[13:38] <popey> i think it's because people see a picture on facebook and can't figure out how to save it
[13:38] <popey> not that they can't figure out how to share
[13:38] <foobarry> its a photo they took
[13:38] <popey> sharing is easy, saving content from facebook is harder
[13:39] <popey> oh, thats even more demented
[13:39] <foobarry> but maybe they shared on another fb page first
[13:39] <popey> yeah
[13:39] <awilkins> Lots of pages intentionally take steps to stop you saving images now
[13:39] <popey> I'm actually susprised they know how to screenshot
[13:39] <popey> s/page/app/
[13:39] <awilkins> (easy to default with "Inspect Element" but still... beyond the muggles)
[13:39] <popey> on a phone
[13:39] <popey> "Inspect element"?
[13:40] <awilkins> Ok, not on a phone
[13:40] <popey> you have press, and long press
[13:41] <foobarry> regret eating that pasty now
[13:53] <foobarry> how do i delete a twitter account?
[13:54] <popey> hit the cog and choose settings iirc
[13:54] <popey> https://twitter.com/settings/accounts/confirm_deactivation
[13:55] <foobarry> ah
[13:55] <popey> at the bottom
[13:55] <foobarry> deactivate..in small letters
[13:55] <foobarry> ta
[14:02] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/Ubuntu_Borat
[14:03] <foobarry> i notice chrome now has "do not track" option, so i don't need the do not track extension...or do I?
[14:07] <popey> https://twitter.com/Ubuntu_Borat is @bkerensa I believe
[14:08] <foobarry> pretty lame
[14:08] <foobarry> thoguht it was funny till i read it.
[14:08] <foobarry> i like devops borat thoguh
[14:09] <foobarry> so are canonical going to complain about MS "onedrive" name?
[14:11] <popey> why would we?
[14:11] <foobarry> because it causes confusion
[14:12] <foobarry> over a similarly named product
[14:12] <popey> just got a text from my mother in law "I am just on my way over with some cat food. Are you dressed?"
[14:12] <popey> i replied "I should hope so, I am in London."
[14:13] <popey> I would imagine google would be more interested with it having "Drive" in the name
[14:13]  * popey shrugs
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> Microsoft cloud:\ ?
[14:23] <dwatkins> Such a simple name, why didn't they think of it?
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> cloud:\>_
[14:23] <dwatkins> quick, copyright it...
[14:23] <dwatkins> cloud:
[14:23] <dwatkins> dir
[14:34] <awilkins> cloud:\ looks kinda dubious about the value of itself
[14:34] <awilkins> Sort of like Cloud --- hmmmm :\   -- not sure I want to trust my files to MS
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: so.. perfect really ;)
[14:39] <awilkins> Poetically accurate branding
[14:55] <dwatkins> Cloud:\> therefore suggests it's poking its tongue out up and to the side?
[14:56] <bigcalm> I broke Jenkins :D
[14:56] <bigcalm> Boss got emailed and I didn't
[14:56] <bigcalm> Most amusing
[14:57] <dwatkins> I signed-up for Bitcasa before their prices went up, it would have been nice to get infinite storage with a linux fs module as well, but I gather they're only providing that to their higher paying customers.
[15:02] <foobarry> nimbus is a nice name for a cloud service
[15:02] <foobarry> or fluffy
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: you've been reading too much Harry Potter
[15:03] <foobarry> never!
[15:03] <foobarry> i've never seen or watched it
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> read then?
[15:15] <foobarry> nope
[15:15] <foobarry> they're kids books i think
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> the first few are sort-of, but he grows up quickly
[15:28] <Myrtti> eh. http://vimeo.com/84960395
[15:29] <Myrtti> a bit... overboard.
[15:37] <dwatkins> someone's been watching too much Game of Thrones, methinks.
[15:43] <diddledan> Myrtti: I am at a loss for words
[15:43] <Myrtti> so am I
[15:53] <foobarry> another thing i haven't read/seen
[15:53] <foobarry> lots of rumpy pumpy with dwarves from what i hear
[15:53] <SuperMatt> o.O
[15:54] <bigcalm> Sounds like fun
[15:55] <SuperMatt> ah, when you said dwarves, I imagined the embeardened miners
[15:55] <bigcalm> Is it not?
[15:56] <foobarry> dunno. short people
[15:56] <Dave2> short people :(
[15:57] <SuperMatt> shhh
[15:57] <SuperMatt> stop mocking short people!
[15:59] <marxjohnson> there's a lot more rumpy-pumpy in the tv series than the books
[15:59] <marxjohnson> same amount of dwarves though
[16:00] <bigcalm> Dave2: at a Depeche Mode gig last night. Had this feeling that I'd seen the guy on the left somewhere before: http://nme.assets.ipccdn.co.uk/images/gallery/2012DepecheModePR200212.jpg
[16:01] <popey> nah
[16:01] <popey> too tall
[16:01] <foobarry> i bought violator the other day
[16:01] <foobarry> sounds a bit dated now
[16:01] <foobarry> used to have it on tape as a kid
[16:02] <bigcalm> The gig was great, what I saw of it any way
[16:02] <popey> i used to work in Martins newsagents when 101 came out, used to play it when i was on the record counter
[16:03] <SuperMatt> I would say violator has stood the test of time
[16:03] <SuperMatt> compared to a lot of music of the time
[16:03] <SuperMatt> I listen to it quite a lot
[16:03] <bigcalm> Not so much fun when people who pay for a seated ticket spend the whole gig standing up
[16:03] <foobarry> enjoy the silence is epic
[16:03] <foobarry> so is the nada surf cover
[16:05] <bigcalm> https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/427892672255512577/photo/1
[16:05] <bigcalm> To this: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/427910428086501377/photo/1
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> darkest blackness of space?
[16:06] <bigcalm> My view of the stage :(
[16:06] <SuperMatt> ouch
[16:07] <bigcalm> They sounded great though :D
[16:07] <foobarry> feb 14th booked as holiday \o/
[16:07] <foobarry> will take son out for the day as a valentine gift..giving her time to herself
[16:07] <popey> taking me out somewhere nice?
[16:07] <popey> oh
[16:07] <popey> I am disappoint, son.
[16:07] <foobarry> you can meet me there tohugh popey...
[16:08] <foobarry> we're going to the RAF museum at hendon
[16:08] <foobarry> epic day out
[16:08] <bigcalm> Thanks for reminding me that I need to book a table for 14th Feb
[16:11] <foobarry> i realise i should be spending time with the missis but at this stage of life, a rest is the best gift
[16:12] <diddledan> what's the diff between dwarves and dwarfs?
[16:13] <diddledan> I need a missus first
[16:13] <foobarry> the massive building dwarfs the neighbourhood
[16:13] <foobarry> snow white and the 7 dwarves
[16:13] <foobarry> i may be wrong, i didn't google
[16:14] <diddledan> the dwarf dwarves dwarfed the pygmy?
[16:14] <foobarry> midgets have feelings too
[16:14]  * diddledan eyes shauno
[16:15] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:18] <foobarry> how should I disable network manager doing stuff on a centos server install?
[16:22] <diddledan> foobarry: does chkconfig network-manager off not work?
[16:23] <foobarry> it does, but no device appaers in system-config-network strangely
[16:23] <diddledan> and then running service network-manager stop, of course
[16:23] <foobarry> will go the /etc/sysconfig route, ta
[16:24] <diddledan> doesn't system-config-network use the network-manager framework now?
[16:24] <diddledan> welcome to #centos
[16:24] <diddledan> :-p
[16:24] <diddledan> !related
[16:24] <diddledan> aww, that one doesn't exist
[16:25] <diddledan> in #wordpress it says "just because you're using WordPress doesn't mean your question is related"
[16:25] <diddledan> or similar
[16:26] <diddledan> it's annoying the two bots are very similar but differ in ways that make me head-desk every time I try to use one of them
[16:27] <diddledan> lubotu3: !command; doc-bot: .command; lubotu3: !command | redirection; doc-bot .command > redirection
[16:27] <diddledan> shaddup lubotu3 , I wasn't talking to you
[16:27] <foobarry> aww poor bot
[16:28] <diddledan> it's a bot. until it develops emotions I'm not going to worry about humanity
[16:30] <diddledan> although, if she's as sexy as six then I might have to speed up the emotion program design
[16:30] <foobarry> USERCTL=no in ifcdfg-eth0 file?
[16:30] <diddledan> o_O
[16:31] <diddledan> I believe that's for use with ifup and ifdown
[16:31] <diddledan> allows ordinary users the ability to bring the network up and down without root privs
[16:33] <foobarry> ah, cheers
[16:33] <foobarry> new settig for me
[16:36] <diplo> Centos channel is awful, find the people in there quite confrontational, only ask if I'm really stuck :)
[16:36] <foobarry> that imac on a train picture, was that actually running ubuntu?
[16:36] <foobarry> looks like software centre
[16:47] <shauno> I saw depeche mode last year .. being at the front wasn't actually a good thing.  that's when you realised you were watching a middle-aged man make love to a microphone stand.
[16:47] <foobarry> in tight leathers?
[16:48] <dwatkins> how would you get power for an iMac on a train?
[16:49] <shauno> from the wall sockets?
[16:50] <JGJones> Don't think the wall sockets give enough juice for that? Although an iMac doesn't use much power mind you, on par with a laptop (since most of internals of an iMac is mobile chips etc)
[16:51] <shauno> ours have regular mains-level outlets
[16:55] <shauno> wherever you see this sign :)  http://www.irishrail.ie/media/Symbols_wifi_sockets_150x100px1.png
[16:55] <foobarry> but was it ubuntu?
[16:56] <shauno> I didn't see the picture
[16:57] <popey> many trains over here have power too
[16:58] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/MacworldUK/status/426713513630138368/photo/1
[16:58] <shauno> most diesel locos use the diesel to run a generator and then have electric powertrains, so they tend have more than enough juice to share
[16:59] <foobarry> my commuter train has power sockets for cleaners
[17:02] <bigcalm> I caved in and ordered the managed switch with wifi
[17:05] <diddledan> I think that's been photoshopped
[17:05] <Laney> can you tell by the pixels
[17:05] <diddledan> definitely the pixels
[17:19] <directhex> well, it takes experience to spot a shop
[17:19] <directhex> have you seen many shops in your time?
[18:19] <popey> http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=f4fa24807d1dab87af8f1f0c0d9ad524bd5bf51c.47309
[18:19] <popey> says no
[18:44] <mapps> argh
[19:26] <daubers> Evening
[19:28] <diddledan> ello
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:32] <brobostigon> evening
[19:42] <foobarry> evenings
[19:43]  * foobarry is reinstalling wifeysphone to see if that fixes the problem
[19:43] <foobarry> otherwise...new  phone  :(
[19:44] <Myrtti> I've dabbled with rewriterules
[19:44] <Myrtti> result: http://myrtti.fi/tip-jar goes to my freenode tip jar.
[19:44] <Myrtti> ;-)
[19:45] <Myrtti> (and yes, if you click the link you know why I'm actually not ashamed at all to tell you this)
[19:45] <Myrtti> but I'm also not going to spam it more
[19:50] <diddledan> Myrtti: spam away - it's a good cause
[19:51] <diddledan> plus who doesn't like spam with their egg n chips?!
[20:01] <Myrtti> hm, new Humble Bundle
[20:02] <Myrtti> quite surprised they donate to EFF and not, say, PEN International on that one
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> ooh wow, first time I've seen that:
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> [1405908.645054] microcode: CPU0 updated to revision 0x17, date = 2013-08-16
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> (etc, for CPU0-7)
[20:16] <diddledan> o_O
[20:17] <diddledan> your system has been online for some time
[20:18] <diddledan> 1405908 seconds is..... *calculator*17.2720833333... days
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: 16 days
[20:18] <diddledan> sorry mistope
[20:18] <diddledan> 16**
[20:22] <Azelphur> Hey folks, anyone bored and mind telling me about the control characters in a terminal? I'm trying to capture the output from a process, and write what would be visible into a text file
[20:23] <ali12341> i know a lot about that stuff
[20:23] <ali12341> too much really
[20:23] <Azelphur> oO
[20:23] <Azelphur> ali12341: so for example, I'd want to have one "frame" of top always written into a text file, that's the goal
[20:23] <Azelphur> I can capture the raw output, with all the control codes and such
[20:23] <ali12341> well there's no such thing as "frames"
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: man script
[20:24] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: interesting, that might do it, haha
[20:24] <ali12341> why do you actually want this?
[20:24] <ali12341> pu top on a webpage or something?
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: script -t timings outputfile
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: then replay using "scriptreplay timings outputfile"
[20:25] <Azelphur> ali12341: spot on, I'm being stupid and feel like dumping the output of cgminer to a minecraft computer.
[20:25] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yea, that doesn't sound like what I want
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's like recordmydesktop for terminals :)
[20:25] <ali12341> right and you're using computercraft?
[20:25] <Azelphur> ali12341: yup
[20:25] <Azelphur> fun fun \o/
[20:25] <ali12341> whch can only fetch web pages basically
[20:25] <Azelphur> yup
[20:26] <ali12341> what you really want is ssh implemented in lua
[20:26] <ali12341> i put some thought into how to make cmputercraft more interesting
[20:26] <Azelphur> haha
[20:27] <ali12341> the most interesting way would be to connect it up to user mode linux instances instead of lua vm
[20:27] <ali12341> and then put the redstone hardware into /dev/
[20:27] <ali12341> anyway, back on to the question
[20:28] <Azelphur> xD
[20:28] <ali12341> you might be able to do this with screen
[20:28] <Azelphur> I was wondering if I could do something like that with it
[20:30] <ali12341> you can do it interactive with C-a h
[20:30] <ali12341> "write a hardcopy of current screen contents"
[20:30] <Azelphur> oh hey, that'll work
[20:30] <shauno> if you name your screen sessions, you can do it non-interactive too
[20:30] <Azelphur> you can stuff commands into screen
[20:31] <Myrtti> ps has some sorting options
[20:32] <Myrtti> and formats and columns
[20:32] <ali12341> yeah but *really* he doesn't care about top at all, just wants to monitor some other program that happens to have a UI a bit like top
[20:32] <Azelphur> ^
[20:32] <Azelphur> ali12341: has it down ;)
[20:33] <Myrtti> well, ok.
[20:33] <Myrtti> *sniff*
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> you could run it on a vt and dump /dev/vcs<num> ;)
[20:38] <shauno> don't you get a whole lot of noise that way?
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> every other character is a colour code(ish)
[20:39] <shauno> :hardcopy filename is nice because it's basically printscreen; it kicks out clean ascii.  if you dump it straight from the term you get all the ansi stuff they use to move the cursor etc
[20:40] <ali12341> screen -X hardcopy foo.txt
[20:40] <ali12341> this works if you only have one screen with one window
[20:40] <ali12341> it is a little bit strange with cgminer though, it only outputs the top part of the display
[20:40] <Azelphur> ali12341: yea I already found it
[20:40] <Azelphur> and it works for me
[20:47] <foobarry> so the tube didn't stop at my station tonight, and hence took me into zone1, so my jounrye cost £5 extra :(
[20:52] <Azelphur> ali12341: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Jan/2014-01-28_20.51.50.png that was fun \o/
[20:54] <mapps> months till ibiza
[20:54] <mapps> *5
[20:58] <ali12341> C  [libc.so.6+0x7d71a]  _obstack_memory_used+0x49a <- does anyone know what it means when java does this?
[20:58] <mapps> nope
[20:58] <mapps> ;(
[21:03] <shauno> Azelphur: witchcraft?
[21:03] <Azelphur> indeed
[21:04] <Azelphur> ali12341: hilarious idea, HTTP Post, screen -X stuff, screen -X hardcopy
[21:04] <Azelphur> you now have computercraft SSH, in the ugliest most laggy way ever.
[21:11] <shauno> I can't keep track of all the server forks anymore.  seems bukkit isn't "in" anymore?
[21:13] <diddledan> wtf @ screenie
[21:13] <diddledan> cwazay
[21:13] <diddledan> he not nuts, he cwazay
[21:18] <Azelcraft> Hi folks!
[21:19] <Azelphur> diddledan: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Jan/2014-01-28_21.19.09.png xD
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[21:21] <Azelphur> this is the most hilariously pointless thing ever.
[21:21] <diddledan> you've completely lost the plot?
[21:21] <Azelphur> pretty much
[21:29] <Myrtti> you are mad as a hatter
[21:30] <Azelphur> I think I'm taking this too far, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Jan/2014-01-28_21.24.29.png
[21:30] <Azelphur> minecraftception :P
[21:30] <Myrtti> you are mad.
[21:31] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: have you read Snow Crash?
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> you should. :)
[21:34] <Azelphur> nope hehe
[21:35] <neuro> there's only four things we do better than anyone else
[21:35] <neuro> music
[21:35] <neuro> movies
[21:35] <neuro> microcode (software)
[21:35] <neuro> high-speed pizza delivery
[21:38] <MartijnVdS> neuro: that one, yes :)
[22:31] <Azelphur> Myrtti / diddledan I implemented buffering and some other optimisations, upped the framerate
[22:32] <Azelphur> I'm watching that telnet star wars now
[22:32] <Azelphur> xD
[22:38] <diddledan> aciimation ftw?
[22:38] <diddledan> ascii**
[22:39] <Azelphur> indeed :)


[10:48] <steveire> In maverick when I inserted an SD card it appeared as /media/disk. In natty it appears as /media/1B8D-67AB. Bug or feature?
[11:01] <kklimonda> steveire: a feature
[11:03] <steveire> How is that a feature? How do I turn it off?
[11:03] <steveire> It breaks my script
[11:03] <kklimonda> you can't
[11:03] <kklimonda> your script is already broken ;)
[11:04] <steveire> How is my script broken? Lets say it does 'cp * /media/disk' and I have 10 SD cards to copy to.
[11:04] <steveire> Where can I find more info?
[11:05]  * steveire > lunch
[11:06] <kklimonda> /media/disk is ambigious, and there is no guarantee that it won't be disk1 oe disk2 depending on the number of disks attached
[11:06] <kklimonda> on the other hand partition uuid will almost certainly point to the same device every time
[11:52] <steveire> kklimonda: I have only one SD card slot
[11:53] <steveire> I want to refer to that, not to the individual disk that is inserted.
[11:54] <yofel> you couldn't do that before either, if you had plugged in a flash drive and then the SD card, the card would've been disk-1 not disk
[11:54] <yofel> and /media/<UUID> is intended udisks behaviour
[11:55] <steveire> I simply never plugged in an SD card and usb at the same time.
[11:55] <steveire> Where can I find out more about this change?
[11:56] <yofel> well, you're on KDE right? /media/disk is HAL behaviour, /media/<UUID> is udisks
[11:56] <steveire> Why doesn't it create both /media/disk/ and /media/foobar?
[11:57] <steveire> So it's a kde thing? You mean I have to look into this udisks stuff to learn more?
[11:57] <yofel> what's the device called? If it's something like /dev/mmcblk... like on my thinkpad you could parse the mount pount out of the 'mount' output
[11:58] <yofel> steveire: it's a result of the HAL deprecation, udisks behaved like that long before natty, KDE just kept using hal until now
[11:59] <steveire> I see
[17:47] <charlie-tca> QA meeting in #ubuntu-quality in 15 minutes.
[18:41] <JoshuaL> I have found a solution for a bug. What are the steps I can do to solve the bug in Ubuntu? I already left a comment where I told what I think the issue is and what the fix might be. Im talking about bug 771235
[18:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 771235 in adium-theme-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "missing icon in message from past (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771235
[18:47] <micahg> JoshuaL: that looks like enough info to set to triaged, to fix, a patch to install the file if it exists would be good
[18:47] <micahg> JoshuaL: what priority would you give that bug?
[18:48] <micahg> s/priority/importance/
[18:48] <JoshuaL> it looks a bit odd when you open a chat with someone, but its not that big of a deal i guess, so low or medium?
[18:49] <JoshuaL> i have never written a patch before
[18:49] <micahg> setting to low since it's only cosmetic
[18:50] <JoshuaL> ok
[18:51] <micahg> JoshuaL: here's a guide to creating a debdiff: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff#Creating%20A%20Debdiff
[18:52] <JoshuaL> cool thanks, i will look at that :)
[18:56] <JoshuaL> micahg, looks interesting! :)
[19:32] <JoshuaL> i found a bug report which I think belongs to another package. Is it OK if i mark it as affecting the project I think is the correct project?
[19:35] <yofel> JoshuaL: if you're convinced that the bug is in the other package feel free to change the affected package name
[19:36] <JoshuaL> ill verify before i will do so, its about bug 770598
[19:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770598 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "Gwibber keeps "Post to" text when clicked (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770598
[19:36] <JoshuaL> i think it is a bug in indicator-me
[19:45] <JoshuaL> yofel, ok im 99% sure it is :p, is there a default message I should/can post?
[19:47] <yofel> check on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses, don't know offhand if there is one
[19:47] <yofel> but that looks like an indicator bug
[19:49] <JoshuaL> ok
[20:19] <JoshuaL> I keep bugging you guys with questions :P, here is another one: The indicator-appmenu doesnt always make the application action I select in it. For example when I click mail it only wobbles the icon for evolution in the launcher (evolution being on a different workspace). But when I click on for example Xchat (with the plugin installed), it goes to the workspace where xchat is located. Is this a bug or is this how the indicator-app-menu sh
[20:19] <JoshuaL> ould work? And if its a bug what is a good summary for a bug report?
[20:21] <JoshuaL> or is it another package?
[21:24] <JoshuaL> I have found a bug which is both a duplicate and affecting the wrong project. The best solution would be to mark it as a duplicate right?
[21:52] <jbicha> JoshuaL: yes, just duping it is enough
[21:53] <JoshuaL> jbicha, ok, however in the end I was not sure if it was a dupe or not so I marked it as affecting that project and asked for more information :)
[22:41] <hggdh> RedSingularity: welcome in :-)
[22:56] <jibel> RedSingularity, I didn't comment on your application but I really appreciate your work on update-manager. Welcome to the team ! :-)
[23:04] <yofel> RedSingularity: welcome :)
[23:05] <micahg> RedSingularity: congrats
[23:10] <JoshuaL> Another question, someone reported a bug, however another package (plugin) solves his issue. Do I have to mark the bug as invalid and mention the additional package or what is the best approach?
[23:16] <JoshuaL> Another thing I have is, the issue he has is a result of the panel icons being depricated. The plugin should be installed as a dependency when the application is installed. This is my opinion, should I create a separate bug eport for that and do the feature request?


[18:31] <orbisvicis> how can I determine if uri is bzr repo ?
[18:42] <mgz> `bzr info url`
[18:45] <orbisvicis> that does seem the fastest way, thanks


[15:55] <sforshee> jjohansen: I think I forgot to ask you about this a couple of weeks ago when it happened. I had to drop "UBUNTU: SAUCE: apparmor: af_unix mediation" in 4.14 after Linus reverted that one patch, but wanted to know if you'd prefer I re-apply both of those patches.
[15:56] <jjohansen> sforshee: yes reapply please, Ubuntu has always had the "regression"
[15:56] <sforshee> ack, thanks
[16:00] <jjohansen> sforshee: specifically the regression is to do with userspace can be configured to break users (deny access) booting into new kernels if they don't have updated policy.
[16:00] <jjohansen> - Ubuntu has updated policy, and has been running ahead of the kernel
[16:00] <jjohansen> - we have the freedom to also configure userspace so it doesn't break by pinning policy versions (assuming we didn't have updated policy)
[16:00] <jjohansen> - suse's case was exacerbated by not having picked up a fix in userspace


[00:35] <wgrant> cjwatson: Can you look at my JS branch when you have a chance?
[10:54] <cjwatson> wgrant: Sorry, right - will get to that before the meeting
[10:54] <cjwatson> wgrant: If you can QA r17707, we can deploy
[10:54] <cjwatson> The mail stuff seems to be behaving itself on DF
[10:54] <wgrant> cjwatson: Whoops, forgot that one. Thanks.
[10:54] <wgrant> Great.
[10:55] <cjwatson> (qastaging isn't running quite the right jobs, which I should fix at some point)
[10:56] <cjwatson> I'm going to mark the gmail filtering asana tasks done, since team-mail was the last major piece.  Anything else can be handled by more targeted bugs.
[10:56] <wgrant> I did like the lack of support for @ bug.
[10:56] <cjwatson> Did you have any thoughts on the bug mterry filed in which I suggested that bare "Rationale" should change to "Rationale @username" even for non-teams?
[10:56] <wgrant> I'd throw rocks at Gmail rather than breaking sane people's filters.
[10:57] <wgrant> But they haven't seemed to respond to rocks in the past, sadly.
[10:57] <cjwatson> I don't know if it's actually lack of support for @ (it could be) or just lack of support for anchoring to end of line.
[10:57] <cjwatson> Either would be a problem here, and the @ stuff doesn't actually need to change - I can check, but I expect gmail will just ignore that bit
[10:58] <wgrant> Right, but some people no doubt filter lack-of-@ to inbox and blackhole everything from silly teams.
[10:58] <cjwatson> "Rationale @username" would arguably be a simplification that makes things easier to understand, even if it breaks things for some people with anchored filters.
[10:58] <cjwatson> Yeah.  It would have to be announced somehow ...
[10:58] <cjwatson> Maybe a workaround would be a new header
[10:58] <cjwatson> X-Launchpad-Message-Subscriber
[10:59] <wgrant> It's not always a subscriber, but indeed.
[10:59] <wgrant> Something along those lines could work.
[10:59] <cjwatson> It's called a subscriber by BaseMailer :-)
[10:59] <wgrant> X-Launchpad-Message-Get-Your-Shit-Together,-Google
[10:59] <cjwatson> But nouns
[10:59] <wgrant> Mm
[11:27] <cjwatson> wgrant: Thanks, requesting a deployment.
[11:39] <wgrant> cjwatson: Thank you.


[01:20] <Pici> handled
[22:08] <osiel> i need help for create a new channel for de ubuntu locoteam of my country
[22:10] <k1l_> which country is that?
[22:10] <osiel> Cuba
[22:11] <k1l_> that is what i found on the first lookup: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming?action=show&redirect=IrcTeam%2FChannelNaming
[22:15] <osiel> i read this page, and naw i riding the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels?action=show&redirect=IrcTeam%2FCreatingChannels, I do not know where to put the commands join
[22:16] <k1l_> put the "/join #ubuntu-cu" into the textline here
[22:17] <osiel> thanks
[22:18] <k1l_> osiel: there is already a channel named #ubuntu-cu
[22:20] <k1l_> its owned by the freenode staff. so you need some IRCC help on this to sort that out with the freenode staff.
[22:21]  * AlanBell has a look
[22:21]  * Fuchs has a smell
[22:22] <AlanBell> heh
[22:22] <Fuchs> ;)
[22:22] <AlanBell> can UbuntuIrcCouncil get lots of flags please Fuchs
[22:22] <Fuchs> (ubuntu namespace, hence: if you give me an account I ... yes, that)
[22:22] <Fuchs> All?
[22:22] <Fuchs> (well, the nice ones)
[22:22] <Fuchs> shall do :)
[22:22] <Fuchs> done :)
[22:22] <AlanBell> thanks
[22:23] <Fuchs> oh, let me remove us as well
[22:23] <Fuchs> well, our pseudo
[22:24] <Fuchs> there we go :)
[22:24] <Fuchs> I'd recommend adding the usual thingies  (e.g. us if you want us to intervene), but I think you have way more experience in this than I do, so I am sure you'll do the right thing™
[22:24] <AlanBell> will do, thanks Fuchs
[22:25] <Fuchs> you're welcome <3
[22:25] <AlanBell> osiel: you need to register yourself so I can add you
[22:25] <AlanBell> !register
[22:32] <Fuchs> mh, I wonder if you really need to send them directly over to us,
[22:32] <Fuchs> or want them to read  http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup or /msg nickserv help register  for the short version first
[22:32] <Fuchs> (note that I don't mind users asking questions in #freenode. Depending on how active we are, that might be faster though)
[22:36] <Unit193> After giving the registration process, the wiki page does point to faq.shtml#nicksetup, though doesn't say anything about /msg nickserv help
[22:36] <OSIEL> AlanBell : I already registered my nickname, and I moderate the channel to ubuntu-cu
[22:50] <AlanBell> ok, thanks OSIEL, you are logged in now, I will add you to the channel
[23:23] <LjL> Fuchs: no matter which specific page the factoid links to (i, uhm, kind of believe that page on help.ubuntu.com was made specifically to try giving an easier explanation), eventually the factoid needs to tell them that it's not a matter to be dealt with by #ubuntu