[14:00] <yml> Hello is there someone aware of the certification testing program ?
[14:00] <yml> I am just finish an 2 hours phone call non sense with dell
[14:01] <yml> where I am trying to buy a certified laptop with ubuntu preinstall
[14:01] <yml> the result is that they propose a FREE DOS version
[14:02] <yml> 300 € more expensive than the same config with windows
[14:02] <yml> the value of windows would be "-300€"
[14:03] <jpds> Really? I got a price reduction when I ordered my Dell desktop with FreeDOS>
[14:03] <yml> Close to the technical  reality  but hard to understand
[14:03] <yml> jpds: why didn't you order one with ubuntu pre installed ?
[14:04] <jpds> yml: Wasn't offered.
[14:04] <jpds> yml: Windows/FreeDOS.
[14:04] <yml> on their web site they say that ubuntu or red hat are available on some location around the world
[14:05] <yml> but nobody is able to tell me where and how to order it
[14:05] <yml> in addition on ubuntu certification web site
[14:05] <yml> I read that this computer has everything working only when it is pre install with dell cd
[14:06] <yml> But nobody is able to tell me where to get this CD
[15:39] <jhobbs>  /wg 10
[16:21] <czajkowski> victorp: ping
[16:21] <victorp> czajkowski, hi
[16:21] <czajkowski> victorp: mind If I have a quick pm re emea ?
[16:21] <victorp> sure
[16:25] <czajkowski> victorp: can always poke people in here they don't have to be caonnical can be community also :)
[19:30] <mterry> Is mago (or ldtp) functional in oneiric?  There is an at-spi2 transition it seems, but ldtp is using old at-spi.  I don't know the implications of that
[19:40] <patrickmw> mterry, you are correct
[19:40] <patrickmw> until ldtp supports at-spi2 it won't work
[19:41] <mterry> patrickmw, I'm assuming there's a fix in the pipeline for 11.10.  Is there an 'edge' PPA I can try to get it working today?
[19:42] <patrickmw> mterry, I am not aware of one, but I recommend asking nagappan if he can provide a temporary solution or patch
[19:43] <patrickmw> mterry, #ltdp
[19:43] <mterry> patrickmw, OK, thanks for your help!
[19:44] <patrickmw> mterry, you bet
[20:06] <nagappan> patrickmw, LDTPv2 should work with at-spi2
[20:07] <nagappan> patrickmw, the current packaging in Ubuntu removes any at-spi1 dependency package
[20:07] <nagappan> patrickmw, I have reported this issue to jibel almost at end of the release
[20:07] <nagappan> patrickmw, jibel suggested, let us do it for next release
[20:08] <nagappan> patrickmw, if LDTPv2 doesn't work, I should fix it at the earliest
[20:08] <patrickmw> nagappan, great, thanks
[20:08] <nagappan> mterry, is there a VM I can try playing around ?
[20:08] <nagappan> mterry, maybe let me create it ;-)
[20:08] <mterry> nagappan, so you are saying that ltdp 2.1.1 in Debian/Ubuntu right now should work with at-spi2 and it's just a packaging bug?
[20:09] <nagappan> mterry, correct
[20:09] <mterry> nagappan, awesome, let me test
[20:11] <nagappan> mterry, I'm interested with the result, please feel free to file any bugs found, let me fix it with high priority :-)
[20:27]  * mterry has to figure out how to get at-spi to launch in unity
[20:42] <jibel> mterry, I tested it, but it looks like at-spi2 doesn't /see/ gtk3 apps
[20:43] <jibel> and accerciser is broken on oneiric
[20:43] <mterry> jibel, hrm.  I thought that was one of the points of the transition?  :)
[20:44] <jibel> accerciser failure is bug 790613
[20:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 790613 in gnome-python (Debian) (and 1 other project) "accerciser crashed with AttributeError in __main__: 'module' object has no attribute 'PARAM_APP_DATADIR' (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790613
[20:44] <jibel> looks like a problem with the gnome transition


[00:39] <superm1> TheMuso, set cia_send_revno per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development
[01:00] <TheMuso> superm1: Yeah I know, forgot to after a fresh format/install
[01:01] <TheMuso> /c
[08:36] <davmor2> Morning All
[09:25] <CIA-33> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r162 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Add an Ubuntu One slide.
[09:26] <CIA-33> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r163 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: Freeze exception (LP: #447383).
[10:47] <evand> hrm, I'm not sure I can clear swap partitions in a finish-install script, as the root directory is not passed to finish-install scripts, so this wouldn't work for the oem-config case.
[10:47] <evand> just thinking out loud
[10:58] <davmor2> evand: man you have weird thoughts.   I'm thinking things like what we having for dinner ;)
[13:55] <kim0> Hi folks .. is there a d-i value to control booting degraded raid ?
[14:38] <cr3> hi folks, I seem to be encountering strange problems installing today's desktop image on a few systems:
[14:39] <cr3> I tried installing i386 on a few systems and one system installed just fine while the others just had a flickering screen
[14:39] <cr3> I then tried installing amd64 on the same systems and one of the systems that flickered installed just fine but the others were flickering, including the one that installed fine before
[14:40] <cr3> might it be possible that there's a race condition somewhere that's causing unpredictable behavior?
[14:52] <cjwatson> cr3: I don't have a direct answer as I haven't seen this myself, but race conditions can arise from incorrect conditions in upstart jobs
[14:56] <cr3> I should have a video camera in my lab to showcase these situations and I could get dressed as Vanna White
[14:56] <cjwatson> ...
[16:18]  * evand wonders out loud if we would gain anything by walking /rofs in the background while the user answers questions.
[16:23] <cjwatson> it's certainly the source of a big delay for no obvious reason ...
[17:18] <evand> we have a few bugs whereby the installer is bailing out in what looks like partman_commit (442560, 445756, 441709, 448252, 440922).  I'm going to see if teaching parted_server to talk directly to syslog gets us any further along tomorrow.
[18:06] <Zelut> I need to define the DNS server(s) in my preseed config at PXE. Can anyone tell me what the syntax is?
[21:34] <dholbert> cjwatson, how do I request review (or get approval, or whatever) on the ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu patch that I've posted on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pywebkitgtk/+bug/434413   ?
[21:34] <cjwatson> dholbert: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess probably best
[21:34] <cjwatson> dholbert: or actually
[21:35] <cjwatson> dholbert: just catch evand during European working hours?
[21:35] <dholbert> cjwatson, ok -- is he the man behind that package?
[21:35] <cjwatson> should probably open a new task on the Ubuntu ubiquity package, since it really is still a bug in pywebkitgtk as well
[21:35] <dholbert> Yeah, ok
[21:35] <cjwatson> dholbert: both evand and I are
[21:36] <dholbert> ah, cool
[21:36] <cjwatson> but it's end-of-day for me
[21:36] <dholbert> Ok
[21:39] <dholbert> cjwatson, mind if I un-dupe the duplicate bug, and make that the one for adding a workaround in the slideshow?
[21:39] <dholbert> cjwatson, dupe is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/448703
[21:39] <dholbert> rather than filing a new bug
[22:52] <CIA-33> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r166 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (debian/changelog slides/link/general.css): Made images in slideshow non-draggable to work around pywebkitgtk crash.
[22:53] <CIA-33> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r167 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: Add LP bug reference for the previous commit.
[23:27] <dholbert> evand: yay, thanks for committing that patch!
[23:28] <evand> dholbert: thanks for writing it
[23:28] <dholbert> no prob, twas easy :)
[23:29] <dholbert> The pywebkitgtk crash is very strange -- from playing around with different testcases, it looks like it specifically crashes on rectangular (non-square) PNG files
[23:29] <cjwatson> dholbert: BTW, it's not relevant now, but I didn't actually mean that you needed a new bug - it's possible to mark single bugs in LP as affecting more than one package. See the "Also affects distribution" link
[23:30] <dholbert> cjwatson, ah, ok -- good to know. thanks
[23:30] <dholbert> RE the pywebkitgtk crash -- it doesn't crash on the Firefox slide, for instance, because the firefox image is a square
[23:30] <dholbert> and if I resize the ubuntu image to be square, it doesn't crash on that, either
[23:30] <dholbert> but if I make it a rectangle (even a small rectangle), it crashes
[23:32] <dholbert> Anyway, hopefully the pywebkitgtk guys will figure that one out.  Good that we can easily disable it here, to stave off one method of self-foot-shooting during installation.
[23:51] <evand> dholbert: the firefox image is a special case
[23:51] <dholbert> evand, right -- _because_ it's square, is what I'm saying
[23:51] <dholbert> evand, (at least, as far as not crashing goes)
[23:51] <evand> well I mean that it's handled differently than the other images
[23:51] <dholbert> right
[23:52] <evand> okay
[23:52] <dholbert> *right, I guess it's a special case in multiple senses. :) but the one that matters for not crashing is that it's square
[23:53] <evand> haha indeed
[23:53] <evand> is there a bug number for this?
[23:53] <dholbert> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/434413
[23:54] <evand> ah, indeed
[23:54] <evand> just wanted to be sure of the context
[23:54] <evand> as there are a number of webkit bugs :-/


[02:36] <elkl> oi
[02:40] <SlidingHorn> elkl: what can we try to help you with?
[02:41] <elkl> não consigo fazer update no ubuntustudio 13.04?
[02:42] <elkl> parece que esta faltando pacotes
[02:42] <SlidingHorn> !pt | elkl
[02:42] <SlidingHorn> also 13.04 is End of Life
[02:42] <SlidingHorn> !eol
[20:37] <studio-user076> ubunto 13 will upgred to ubunto 18 ?
[20:37] <studio-user076> directly
[20:37] <studio-user076> ?
[20:38] <studio-user076> jamping
[20:38] <studio-user076> jamping from 13 to 18?
[20:38] <studio-user076> or 13 14 15 16 17 18
[20:39] <studio-user076> this more time
[20:40] <studio-user076> exprmintal
[20:40] <Unit193> 13.04 or 13.10?  You'll have to EOL upgrade, I'd jump to 14.04, then to 16.04, then to 18.04
[20:40] <Unit193> 13.10/13.04 is loong EOL.
[20:40] <studio-user076> 16 18
[20:41] <studio-user076> no
[20:41] <studio-user076> 13 14
[20:41] <studio-user076> i want from 13 to 18
[20:42] <studio-user076> i cant make download 16 or 18 slowly internet
[20:42] <Unit193> Well, you can try, but I'd advise you jump from LTS to LTS..
[20:43] <studio-user076> i will do
[20:44] <studio-user076> i love ubuntustudio
[20:44] <studio-user076> i from egypt
[20:44] <studio-user076> alexindrea
[20:46] <studio-user076> i will use this chat after setup finsh
[23:01] <SlidingHorn> I have what's probably a dumb question (those are my specialty):  I'm going to try out headphones that plug directly into a 3.5mm jack.  I have 2 of those on my machine.  How do I tell them apart in my device/interface listing?
[23:11] <SlidingHorn> (I found out through process of elimination, but for future reference, if there's a way to determine that otherwise, I'd like to know)  :)


[00:06] <wallyworld> vino: the bzr command is "bzr revision-info"
[00:08] <kelvin> wallyworld, do u think we should define the device constrains at `juju/juju/device` or somewhere else?
[00:10] <wallyworld> hmmm. i think "devices" is ok for now
[00:11] <kelvin> in the root dir `/devices`?
[00:16] <vino> ok.
[00:19] <vino> wallyworld : and for mercurial hg equivalent is hd id --id
[00:19] <wallyworld> great
[00:19] <wallyworld> kelvin: yeah, i think so for now
[00:20] <kelvin> wallyworld, great, thx
[01:35] <thumper> wallyworld, kelvin: how about core/devices?
[01:35] <thumper> i had wanted to move the /network into core/network
[01:35] <thumper> as long has it has no state or api dependencies
[01:36] <kelvin> core/devices looks a good one,
[01:37] <kelvin> yes, then we can shorter the root dir ls
[02:13] <wallyworld> thumper: we should move storage as well then
[02:13] <thumper> wallyworld: yes
[03:05] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: if you have a moment? https://github.com/juju/names/pull/89
[03:11] <wallyworld> veebers: want to talk about resources? thumper has stodd me up for our 1:1 :-)
[03:11] <veebers> wallyworld: hah, sure thing
[03:11] <thumper> wallyworld: we did have a long catch up this morning :)
[03:12] <wallyworld> we did. but you could have told me :-)
[03:14] <thumper> wallyworld: sorry, was planning to but got stuck talking to xavpaice
[03:25] <kelvin> wallyworld, could I have ur a few minutes?
[03:36] <kelvin> thinking if it's reasonable to consolidate the struct (params struct) at api and apiserver in single place.
[03:39] <kelvin> to have the api schema shared for client, server side, or other dependencies.
[03:44] <wallyworld> kelvin: sure, just finished talking to chris, free now
[03:45] <kelvin> c u in hangout
[03:45] <kelvin> now?
[04:08] <babbageclunk> thumper: will the hub drop messages if the handler takes too long?
[04:09] <babbageclunk> (I mean, if a subscribed handler takes too long)
[04:46] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: reviewed..
[04:46] <wallyworld> ty
[04:52] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: i pushed a change to use a common method
[05:06] <kelvin> wallyworld, could u take a look the PR again when u have time? thx
[06:35] <vino> wallyworld: have a min ?
[06:35] <wallyworld> sure
[06:35] <vino> HO
[06:36] <wallyworld> am in standup
[07:54] <thumper> babbageclunk: no
[07:54] <babbageclunk> good
[07:54] <thumper> did you want to chat about it?
[07:55]  * thumper is back in the office for a bit
[07:55] <babbageclunk> no, it's fine
[07:55] <babbageclunk> thanks!
[07:55] <thumper> jam: are you back around?
[09:04] <jam> thumper: hey, just got back, quite the adventure.. are you still here?
[09:10] <thumper> um... was just about to leave, but can chat
[09:11] <thumper> jam: did you want to catch up?
[09:15] <jam> thumper: sure. Just chatting with manadart, will be available in 2min.
[09:16] <thumper> kk
[09:29] <manadart> Need a review for: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8838
[09:33] <stickupkid> manadart: i'll take a look
[09:34] <stickupkid> manadart: just out of curiosity, but jam will probably want to vet the whole thing (?)
[09:38] <manadart> stickupkid: Assume so.
[10:06] <stickupkid> manadart: done - just a few questions
[10:06] <manadart> stickupkid: Shoot.
[10:23] <stickupkid> manadart: questions in the PR
[10:28] <manadart> stickupkid: Ta.
[11:05] <naturalblue> hi. I am trying to deploy a juju maas controller and it starts to deploy but i notice later on it looks for an IP (that was MAAS's old IP address) and then fails to deploy. Is there a way to get the details of what it is looking for. I have changed all ips and restarted all services on MAAS. I am not sure why it is still looking for the old address.
[11:07] <BlackDex> naturalblue: Did you re-deploy juju?
[11:07] <BlackDex> the controller?
[11:08] <BlackDex> If not, i think you need to reconfigure your cloud providers in juju
[11:14] <naturalblue> ah that maybe it. i think although i removed the cloud provider after the controller, i possible changed its ip after i added it back in.
[11:14] <naturalblue> I will give it atry and let you know.
[11:14] <naturalblue> BlackDex: Thansk
[11:15] <naturalblue> no, i just checked with juju show-cloud openstack-maas and the endpoing shows the correct ip (i.e. the new IP)
[11:17] <naturalblue> but cloud-init is definitely looking for the old address and then aborting
[11:17] <BlackDex> during boot?
[11:17] <BlackDex> pxe boot?
[11:19] <BlackDex> Please check the if the IP's are correct during the following command: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure maas-region-controller maas-rack-controller`
[11:21] <naturalblue> during pxe boot, after i ask to bootstrap a new controller, maas rolls the OS, then juju starts the deploy of the controller. Watching the console its installing but suddenly i see a cloud-init script that references the old ip address of maas and the system shutsdown
[11:22] <naturalblue> the ip in `sudo dpkg-reconfigure maas-region-controller maas-rack-controller` was incorrect, it was the old one
[11:23] <naturalblue> i didnt realise i had to run that after chaning the ip from the maas web ui and rebooting
[11:25] <naturalblue> its asking for the api address now on the dpkg-reconfigure. Do i put in thr port of 5240 or is that just for the web gui
[11:56] <BlackDex> 5240
[11:56] <BlackDex> that is the API port
[11:56] <BlackDex> port 80 wil be deprecated in 2.4 or 2.5 if i'm correct
[11:57] <BlackDex> yea, you can change those in a file somewhere, but this is better, and it restart the services needed after :)
[12:02] <rick_h_> naturalblue: it might be in the cache for the cloud in .local/share/juju/clouds.yaml
[12:14] <naturalblue> BlackDex: rick_h_ : Thanks
[12:15] <manadart> stickupkid: Are you in any position to push your changes that further strangle out rawProvider?
[12:16] <manadart> stickupkid: I am having rewrite provider tests and it makes no sense to be stubbing/mocking out changes to something we are ditching.
[12:17] <magicaltrout> anyone know why if i try and deploy to a machine into an lxd container
[12:17] <magicaltrout> it sets my resolv.conf seemingly incorrectly and the charm fails to apt update?
[12:17] <rick_h_> magicaltrout: bionic?
[12:17] <rick_h_> magicaltrout: there was a bug around that for bionic I know that was worked on and a fix landed
[12:18] <magicaltrout> the controller is on bionic the machines are xenial
[12:18] <rick_h_> magicaltrout: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1764317
[12:18] <mup> Bug #1764317: bionic LXD containers on bionic hosts get incorrect /etc/resolve.conf files <bionic> <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <foundations-engine> <kvm> <lxd> <network> <uosci> <juju:Fix Committed by ecjones> <juju 2.3:Fix Released by ecjones> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1764317>
[12:29] <enrico_> Hello, I am trying to deploy a service with juju. I want to deploy it inside an lxd container. Till now ok. But I want to add 2 NIC, how can I do?
[12:43] <stickupkid> manadart: i can do, but it's broken a few things... let me just fix what i've got so you can at least see what i've done
[12:56] <stickupkid> manadart: this is a very much work in progress - https://github.com/juju/juju/compare/develop...SimonRichardson:lxd-schema?expand=1
[12:56] <stickupkid> manadart: i'm in the middle of refactoring the tests, before I get to the construction of the provider - although I may change my mind whilst I'm writing the tests
[13:06] <manadart> stickupkid: Ta.
[14:24] <naturalblue> when i try to install juju gui with juju upgrade-gui i get this "ERROR cannot upgrade to most recent release: cannot retrieve Juju GUI archive info: error fetching simplestreams metadata: invalid URL "https://streams.canonical.com/juju/gui/streams/v1/index.sjson" not found"
[14:25] <naturalblue> ^^but i have tried a wget and can retrieve the file from both the client and the controller
[14:30] <naturalblue> ^^ please ignore this. turns out i had a proxy variable in /etc/environment which get reapplied on a reboot. removed now and variables unset.
[15:34] <Guest53> Hi I just booted three ceph osd that were shutdown.  One came up fine but the other two say they are stuck in upgrading.  The log message I am getting is DEBUG config-changed Error ENOENT: error obtaining osd_hostname_luminous_start.
[15:34] <Guest53> Any idea where this luminous start file is located?
[16:07] <acss> Anyone know why I would see the following in a juju ceph-osd unit log? 2018-06-21 16:03:06 INFO juju-log Monitor config-key get failed with message: b''
[16:07] <rick_h_> acss: hmm, some sort of unexpected config value the charm couldn't parse?
[16:08] <acss> This would be based on my ceph.conf file?
[16:30] <acss> I am confused because I have another OSD functioning fine with the same charm configuration.
[16:43] <rick_h_> acss: sorry, ran for lunch stuff. So this is the juju config
[16:43] <rick_h_> acss: so you can see what you've got with juju config ceph-osd
[16:43] <acss> okay
[16:44] <acss> where is this located?
[16:47] <rick_h_> acss: so it's the config juju is told to send to the charms and changes to that config triggers the charm's config-changed event which then causes it to evaluate things and update any local files/apis/settings that need updating for the software in question
[16:47] <acss> okay thank you
[21:23] <sfeole> hello all... we have bootstrapped a controller out on AWS cloud and deployed rabbitmq, juju status displays the internal cloud IP address.   However, i want to query rabbitmq via the assigned floating ip address, will juju correctly translate/route  floatingip -> internal cloud ip?
[21:32] <rick_h_> sfeole: so you need to expose the rabbit unit for the floating IP to be the one to work since by default the firewall won't allow any traffic to it
[21:32] <sfeole> patriciadomin, ^^
[21:33] <sfeole> rick_h_, so just,  juju expose <unit>   ?
[21:33] <rick_h_> sfeole: juju expose rabbitmq or whatever the application name is
[21:33] <rick_h_> sfeole: that'll set the firewall rules as long as the charm is setup to expose the rabbit port
[21:33] <sfeole> rick_h_, ok thanks,
[21:33] <sfeole> patriciadomin, ^^
[21:36] <patriciadomin> rick_h_ sfeole thx


[13:05] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[17:35] <charlie-tca> Fresh Natty install on hardware; all drive partitions are now listed as removable devices and will be on the desktop
[17:43] <ochosi> charlie-tca: that's the expected behaviour
[17:43] <charlie-tca> sure wasn't expected by me
[17:43] <charlie-tca> I really can't remove them
[17:43] <ochosi> yeah, i don't think there's a way you can
[17:43] <charlie-tca> and I don't really like them on the desktop full time
[17:44] <charlie-tca> When I insert a cd or usb drive, yes, I want to see it, but I don't need to see my 10 partitions on my hard drive full time
[17:45] <charlie-tca> ochosi: panel fonts in natty are really tiny
[17:45] <charlie-tca> (top panel)
[17:46] <charlie-tca> I know the panel size requires small fonts, but, are those smaller than 10pt?
[17:46] <ochosi> about thunar: i'd suggest filing a bug upstream
[17:46] <charlie-tca> yeah, I have to think about it
[17:46] <ochosi> about fonts: at least not intentionally
[17:46] <ochosi> would you mind up-ing a quick screenshot?
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Let me check them on a bigger monitor, maybe this laptoip
[17:47] <ochosi> in fact the font-sizes are determined by the dpi ubuntu sets
[17:47] <charlie-tca> laptop screen might be too small
[17:47] <ochosi> and dpi depends on your screen-resolution
[17:48] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:48] <charlie-tca> 1280 X 800 on a 15" lcd?
[17:48] <charlie-tca> No wonder they look tiny to me
[17:52] <charlie-tca> I think there was a bug about the drives and partitions not showing on the desktop, so maybe this is a fix for that.
[17:52] <ochosi> with the same res on my 13'' screen the fonts look totally fine
[17:52] <charlie-tca> (but I still won't like it)
[17:52] <charlie-tca> You got good eyes
[17:53] <ochosi> not sure, the thing is that the local partitions are all handled by gio, so i'm not sure how easy it would even be to fix it in thunar
[17:53] <charlie-tca> snapshotting the screen
[17:53] <ochosi> e.g. you see the same behavior wrt partitions already in maverick in the "open file" dialog
[17:54] <ochosi> that one is gtk-builtin and uses gio
[17:54] <charlie-tca> but these aren't in "open file". They are on the desktop at all times
[17:55] <ochosi> are you sure?
[17:55] <charlie-tca> yes
[17:55] <ochosi> at iirc it's the same behavior
[17:55] <ochosi> ok, then maybe not, i'd have to check to be sure
[17:55] <charlie-tca> I am sure I am looking at the desktop, and I am sure I see all the partitions
[17:55] <ochosi> (and i'm @work so i can't)
[17:55] <charlie-tca> and I am sure they take a whole column on my de4
[17:55] <charlie-tca> desktop
[17:55] <ochosi> try "open file" in some app
[17:56] <ochosi> e.g. when setting a new desktop-wallpaper
[17:56] <charlie-tca> will that make them go away from the desktop?
[17:56] <ochosi> after hitting the "+" the open file dialog should show all your local partitions on the left
[17:56] <ochosi> just as in thunar
[17:57] <charlie-tca> I don't want them on my desktop. I don't care if they are in thunar
[17:57] <ochosi> you can only make all "removable" devices disappear from the desktop, so as i said before, it's not fixable in the way you want to fix them
[17:57] <ochosi> (meaning: all your other removable devices, like usb-sticks etc. would also not show on the desktop)
[17:58] <charlie-tca> That's my point. They should show in thunar. But why do I have a whole column of drives on the desktop now?
[17:59] <ochosi> ah right, so you'd prefer differing behavior in thunar and xfdesktop?
[17:59] <ochosi> but really, i think you should file a bug upstream
[18:00] <ochosi> i vaguely remember this issue being discussed before in #xfce-dev, but i think no-one really cared enough about it in the end
[18:00] <ochosi> k, g2g now, have a nice evening/day/morning everyone
[18:00] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/147976
[18:01] <ochosi> right, that's totally the normal/expected font-size
[18:01] <charlie-tca> Okay
[18:01] <ochosi> same font-size as on desktop-icons
[18:01] <charlie-tca> They look smaller on the screen
[18:02] <charlie-tca> but it is probably my eyes with that screen
[18:02] <ochosi> probably
[18:02] <ochosi> zooming in on 100% here it really looks ok
[18:02] <ochosi> good to see that the slideshow is there :)
[18:02] <charlie-tca> That's why I asked. You know me and seeing things
[18:03] <ochosi> sure, thanks for asking though. could've just as well been a bug
[18:03] <charlie-tca> better that *I* ask first on that kind of thing
[18:04] <ochosi> yep :)
[18:04] <ochosi> anyhow, really gotta run now
[18:04] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[18:04] <ochosi> no problemo
[18:04] <ochosi> see you around


[02:03] <arooni> if i have ubuntu-server (14.04) set up to automatically install security updates; how come when i login sometimes i see "system restart required".  will this never be done automatically as part of security updates?
[02:04] <ChibaPet> arooni: Live patching of kernels is still in its infancy.
[02:04] <arooni> so i have to restart my servers every now and then as a workaround?
[02:05] <ChibaPet> arooni: It should tell you. But in general, spontaneous reboots are a bug.
[02:05] <arooni> so theres no best practice, 'set up a cron job to restart server every now and then ' ?
[02:06] <ChibaPet> The best practise would be, "schedule a downtime window and restart within it".
[02:07] <arooni> but this is done as a one off ?
[02:07] <ChibaPet> Ah, there is a way: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates
[02:07] <arooni> i already have security updates set up (at least i thought i did)
[02:07] <ChibaPet> From that: "If you want the script to automatically reboot when needed, you not only need to set Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot "true", but you also need to have the "update-notifier-common" package installed."
[02:07] <arooni> ahhh
[02:07] <ChibaPet> Seems questionable, but there's the rope. :P
[02:07] <arooni> thanks for tracking that down ChibaPet ; looks like i need to jump into that
[02:08] <arooni> well once i have monitoring uptime set up after i will this evening; ill let that notify me if theres a problem
[02:09] <ChibaPet> Good luck with it, whichever way you decide to do it.
[02:11] <arooni> thanks for your help ChibaPet
[02:11] <ChibaPet> arooni: My pleasure.
[02:42] <arooni> now trying to fix a different problem on a different server;  it looks like when i ssh i'm successful but i'm immediately logged out;  exit status = 0.  what should i check?
[03:01] <ChibaPet> arooni: Look at /var/log/auth.log on the server.
[03:12] <arooni> fixed it thanks ChibaPet !
[03:12] <arooni> apparently if login can't load your default shell; you're done; there's no failover
[03:12] <arooni> or login shell rather
[07:17] <FarhaadN> hi every one, i have a question, i have a linux server 12.04 ,my ping to <IP_ADDRESS> is ok ,but when i ping google.com ,reply is very slow, my dns is set to <IP_ADDRESS> in resolve.conf file,
[07:17] <FarhaadN> why this happend?
[07:22] <FarhaadN> anyone know about this?
[07:27] <FarhaadN> 480 people and anyonee responce?????
[07:32] <andol> FarhaadN: 1) When you say very slow, can you transate that into number? 2) Given anycast, it's expected that <IP_ADDRESS> will be closer than whatever result you get for google.com
[07:42] <FarhaadN>  andol: i ping yahoo.com and this is result , icmp_req and time for each request is ok .but see time for all packets > http://pastebin.com/spntXvUu
[07:45] <cpaelzer> FarhaadN: so your issue is that the sum for all packets is so much more than summing up the individual times?
[07:48] <FarhaadN> cpaelzer: i think my problem is for DNS ,i ping ubuntu.com and don't reply ,but ping ip ,is ok,check this > http://pastebin.com/ww6FJP0y
[07:50] <cpaelzer> FarhaadN: ok, that looks much like mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/15333468/
[07:50] <cpaelzer> FarhaadN: let us trace it down a bit
[07:50]  * cpaelzer is crafting a commandline ...
[07:52] <FarhaadN>  cpaelzer: noo, for you sum time is 6000 ,but for mine is 60,000
[07:52] <cpaelzer> yes, but when you use IP and nos dns name your sum is similar
[07:52] <cpaelzer> I agree that it might be dns related
[07:52] <cpaelzer> but I want to see where time is lost, that is what I'm constructing atm
[07:53] <cpaelzer> could you create something like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/15333479/ ?
[07:53] <cpaelzer> Comparing that could give us a start where to look into
[07:53] <cpaelzer> FarhaadN: ^^
[07:54] <FarhaadN> yes ,see this please, when ping google.com 2 start reply from and tooo slow ,then reply from dns and ok  > http://pastebin.com/ve6JFt5J
[07:55] <FarhaadN> cpaelzer: yes i create that thing
[07:55] <FarhaadN> sry for my bad language
[07:56] <cpaelzer> never mind, people are important not their language
[08:03] <FarhaadN> cpaelzer: thx u
[08:04] <FarhaadN> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15333503/
[08:04] <smb> hallyn, what exactly are you trying to get to...?
[08:07] <cpaelzer> FarhaadN: yeah, that looks suspicious towards dns resolve "45.53   70.073280    10010468         7 gethostbyaddr"
[08:07] <cpaelzer> it is called per ping (see count 7), so it scales and it no flat extra time
[08:07] <cpaelzer> also your SYS_poll is huge
[08:08] <cpaelzer> FarhaadN: with that in mind try something more simple - what does this give you "time dig yahoo.com > /dev/null" ?
[08:09] <cpaelzer> hmm, even setting my dns to <IP_ADDRESS> as well doesn't make it as bad as yours ...
[08:10] <FarhaadN> cpaelzer: yes my any server s dns is set to <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:10] <FarhaadN> but only this one have a problem
[08:10] <FarhaadN> real    0m15.033s
[08:10] <FarhaadN> user    0m0.001s
[08:10] <FarhaadN> sys     0m0.001s
[08:11] <cpaelzer> uh that is actually great
[08:11] <cpaelzer> that mans we can debug just with name resolition
[08:11] <cpaelzer> FarhaadN: I have "real    0m0.017s"
[08:11] <FarhaadN> oh
[08:12] <FarhaadN> now what can i do ?
[08:12] <cpaelzer> I'm creating another command to give us more insight, give me a sec
[08:12] <FarhaadN> ok
[08:20] <cpaelzer> ... still working ...
[08:20] <cpaelzer> so far it doesn't give me what I want and I don't want to just dump you with a zillion of commands
[08:23] <cpaelzer> FarhaadN: nut 100% sure, but a pastebinit of "dig  +trace +recurse +all +qr -t yahoo.com" might be nice to see if the call for the NS or later on for the details is slow
[08:25] <FarhaadN> ok i check
[08:25] <cpaelzer> FarhaadN: you can also add "sudo ltrace -S -rT nslookup -debug -d2 yahoo.com" to that pastebin
[08:26] <FarhaadN> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15333552/
[08:27] <cpaelzer> umm, timeout isn't good :-)
[08:27] <FarhaadN> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15333555/
[08:28] <FarhaadN> cpaelzer: even when i was apt-get update ,i can't and error accourd
[08:29] <cpaelzer> well both last pastebins run into a dns timeout, ... hmm
[08:31] <cpaelzer> you said all the other servers from the same network are ok, and go for the same dns @ <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[08:32] <cpaelzer> but before you had slow but at least working resoliton didn't you ...
[08:36] <FarhaadN> noo my others servers is not in this network,but dns is <IP_ADDRESS> and ok
[08:38] <cpaelzer> FarhaadN: hmm - my expectation is routing out/back-to of your current network might be your issue then
[08:38] <cpaelzer> FarhaadN: you surely could try other free DNS servers, but that would only be a workaround not a solution
[08:39] <cpaelzer> like: for DNS in <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> 91.239.
[08:39] <cpaelzer> 100.100 <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>; do nslookup  yahoo.com ${DNS}; done
[08:39] <cpaelzer> if they all are slow or timeout you surely have to look at you network / routing setup
[08:39] <cpaelzer> I had hoped to find a more local issue to your system to debug with you
[08:39] <cpaelzer> but I think that means you have to debug your network setup
[08:40] <cpaelzer> think or wireshark and such, but that leaves my comfort zone
[08:40] <cpaelzer> sorry, I at least hope to brought you one step further in debuggin this
[08:40] <cpaelzer> FarhaadN: ^^
[08:41] <FarhaadN> cpaelzer: very thx for reply and help mee
[09:02] <sceiron> Hi, I'm wondering: I bought a domain and connected it to my ip. When i now enter my domain name adress, i get to the interface of my router(log in promt), is this normal?
[09:03] <lordievader> Does your domain resolve to your router?
[09:04] <sceiron> well, yes i think so.
[09:06] <lordievader> Check it, I'd say.
[09:06] <sceiron> It resolves to my IP, which is my ISP's router...
[09:07] <lordievader> sceiron: There is your problem, I suppose.
[09:08] <sceiron> Ok, i just in the process of setting up a ubuntu server behind this router, but have not gotten that far yet. I was just questioning that entering my IP in any external browser would bring me to my routers log-in promt
[09:09] <lordievader> sceiron: If your router is setup to show a login page to remote on port 80/443, then yes. Though I would advice you to disable remote login.
[09:10] <sceiron> ok, thanks, that answers my question for now i guess. Is it default practice for ISPs to set up a router with "Remote login"?
[09:11] <lordievader> No.
[09:11] <lordievader> Not to my knowledge at least.
[09:11] <hateball> All ISP provided routers I've had have had ISP backdoors at least
[09:11] <hateball> Which is a good reason to ditch them
[09:12] <hateball> Or at least ask them to set it in bridged mode and use your own router
[09:12] <sceiron> Havent checked this before, but i can log in with the default username/password, in other words it seems kinda open to me, oups
[09:18] <lordievader> True, but that is usually seperate from a remote login.
[09:19] <hateball> Well, yes
[10:42] <huwjr> hi all - i have one ubuntu 14.04 server which has an ethernet alias set in /etc/network/interfaces - it’s set to auto but it NEVER comes up at reboot? i have about 10 other trusty hosts with the same config, and they all work flawlessly? any ideas.
[12:55] <[1]Az> hello
[12:55] <[1]Az> i am getting this error:
[12:55] <[1]Az> https://gist.github.com/benjfield/09763033aa97c04caa74
[12:56] <[1]Az> on 4 of my servers
[13:00] <mybalzitch> looks ot me like an issue with the elasticsearch.org repo
[13:00] <mybalzitch> have you tried removing it from your sources and trying again?
[13:01] <[1]Az> yes
[13:01] <[1]Az> its not
[13:01] <[1]Az> its an issue with apt
[13:01] <[1]Az> hang on
[13:03] <[1]Az> https://gist.github.com/benjfield/09763033aa97c04caa74
[13:18] <mybalzitch>  hmm
[13:51] <[1]Az> weird right?
[13:52] <mybalzitch> have you tried blowing away apt's cache folder?
[13:52] <mybalzitch> it's odd that 4 servers broke at once though
[13:52] <mybalzitch> and I can't find any google search results
[13:52] <[1]Az> this is my issue
[13:52] <[1]Az> i actually rebuild the servers
[13:52] <[1]Az> and then it started happening again
[13:52] <[1]Az> all 4 servers have the same config
[13:52] <mybalzitch> is the server setup exotic at all? nfs root or anything silly?
[13:53] <[1]Az> nope
[13:55] <[1]Az> pretty standard
[13:57] <[1]Az> i dont know what else i can do to debug it
[13:59] <sysadmin> hello
[14:00] <pmatulis> hello
[14:00] <sysadmin> how can i get a log files from people that i have logged in my server and commands that they have ran
[14:00] <mybalzitch> [1]Az: you don't have anything locking the apt directory do you? anything in lsof ?
[14:00] <sysadmin> and their ips
[14:00] <[1]Az> root@dev-php-app01:/home/concrete# lsof | grep apt
[14:00] <[1]Az> munin-nod 19644             root  mem       REG              202,1    10336       1231 /usr/lib/perl/5.18.2/auto/Tie/Hash/NamedCapture/NamedCapture.so
[14:01] <[1]Az> doesnt look like it
[14:01] <mybalzitch> hmm
[14:01] <mybalzitch> nope
[14:01] <pmatulis> sysadmin: logged in from console?
[14:01] <sysadmin> pmatulis, yes
[14:01] <pmatulis> sysadmin: hmm, IPs. so wouldn't that be logged in via SSH?
[14:01] <mybalzitch> [1]Az: has the server been up a really long time? when is the last time you ran fsck on the filesystem apt lives on
[14:02] <sysadmin> pmatulis, yes i mean log in from ssh
[14:02] <[1]Az> 40 days
[14:02] <[1]Az> i can reboot it
[14:02] <pmatulis> sysadmin: that should be logged in /var/log/auth.log
[14:03] <mybalzitch> [1]Az: try running fsck
[14:03] <[1]Az> i cant run fsck on /
[14:03] <sysadmin> pmatulis, i used that but i cant see their commands
[14:03] <mybalzitch> [1]Az: touch /forcefsck
[14:04] <mybalzitch> [1]Az: then reboot, I think
[14:04] <pmatulis> sysadmin: as for commands run, it is only recorded, also in auth.log, if they use sudo
[14:04] <sysadmin> pmatulis, and commands without sudo
[14:05] <pmatulis> sysadmin: you will need a special tool to track all commands issued by users
[14:05] <pmatulis> https://goo.gl/qJ7NW6
[14:06] <sysadmin> pmatulis, and about their ips?
[14:07] <pmatulis> sysadmin: i'm pretty sure that is in auth.log for SSH connections
[14:08] <sysadmin> and if just upload to one directory with rsync can i see their ip?
[14:09] <[1]Az> mybaltzitch: fsck ran but the problem continues
[14:10] <mybalzitch> [1]Az: grrr.
[14:10] <sysadmin> pmatulis, if one user just upload file to one directory can i see his ip ?
[14:13] <pmatulis> sysadmin: i don't think so but i'm not 100%. if you somehow enforce rsync-over-ssh you probably can get it. just try it
[14:13] <sysadmin> pmatulis, i need to use sudo ufw allow ip port 22
[14:13] <sysadmin> pmatulis, what do you mean exactly ?
[14:14] <pmatulis> sysadmin: what's your full question?
[14:15] <sysadmin> pmatulis, my friend last night connected to my server to upload file to my directory with rsync he doesnt know his ip i need to access just to him for port 22 i need to find his ip
[14:15] <[1]Az> mybalzitch: quite
[14:16] <[1]Az> sysadmin: just get him to lookup his ip
[14:17] <sysadmin> okay
[14:18] <sysadmin> i ask him to find it
[14:18] <mybalzitch> [1]Az: I'd take it to the forums
[14:19] <pmatulis> sysadmin: you can allow SSH connections based on username. disallow all connections except for certain users. in 'man sshd_config' see 'Match AllowUsers'
[14:19] <pmatulis> sysadmin: not sure if you absolutely need to do the firewall stuff but it might help
[14:19] <mybalzitch> [1]Az: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1827960&p=11164176#post11164176
[14:21] <sysadmin> pmatulis, i have another question i have ran netbeans when i browse   localhost:8383 i see my index.html file but when i browse mydomain:8383 i dont see any thing i have activated sudo ufw allow what is problem? 8383  when i
[14:22] <sysadmin> pmatulis, i have another question i have ran netbeans when i browse   localhost:8383 i see my index.html file but when i browse mydomain:8383 i dont see any thing i have activated sudo ufw allow 8383 what is problem?
[14:23] <pmatulis> sysadmin: i'm sorry i have a meeting now. make sure DNS is working properly and that your application is configured to respond on "mydomain"
[14:24] <sysadmin> pmatulis, first time it answered but for second time when i ran mydomain:8383 i didnt see anything my domain is activated i can see when i browse it but in port 8383 i cant see anything
[14:25] <sysadmin> while it answers in localhost:8383
[14:26] <sysadmin> http://localhost:8383/w3schools/index.html
[14:30] <sysadmin> oh
[14:30] <sysadmin> problem was from router
[17:07] <popey> hello!
[17:07] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~deepika-chauhan is this person on the server team in some way?
[17:07] <popey> They requested access to the wiki/etherpad, and I believe they may actually be a spammer, and not a real person wanting to do legitimate work.
[17:15] <nacc> that's gotta be a fake e-mail, right?
[17:28] <cryptomonk> hello
[17:29] <cryptomonk> How do you use CORS in a LAMP environment? Particular allow all access
[17:29] <cryptomonk> trying to write a mobile app and keep getting javascript errors due to CORS and cross-site
[17:39] <rbasak> popey: I don't recognise that name.
[17:39] <rbasak> https://launchpad.net/~deepika-chauhan/+archive/ubuntu/ppa is spam.
[17:41] <popey> good spot!
[17:44] <ogra_> rbasak, nah, its canoni printer support obviously :P
[17:44] <ogra_> *canon
[18:48] <sceiron> hi, i have just set up a irc server on my ubuntu server, can someone help me verify that is works from www, it works from local machines...
[18:50] <sarnold> sceiron: sure, which ip/port?
[19:01] <sceiron> tnx :)
[22:13] <smoser> nacc, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu/+source/checksecurity/+git/checksecurity
[22:15] <nacc> smoser: thanks!
[22:15] <nacc> smoser: and you can not do sg3-utils  :)
[22:15] <nacc> if you didnt' see the chatter in #ubuntu-devel
[22:16] <smoser> i didnt
[22:16] <smoser> id idt see it
[22:16] <smoser> is it because there is no changelog entry for 1.40-0
[22:16] <smoser> ?
[22:16] <nacc> smoser: sort of, we're just going to sync with 1.41-2 when it comes out
[22:17] <nacc> as of right now, we're basically in sync iwth debian due to the backports, just at an unreleased version
[22:20] <smoser> nacc, ok.
[22:20] <smoser> nacc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15337649/
[22:20] <smoser> that is 'go-import.py'' which just prints out ordered commands to run
[22:20] <smoser> and assumes you have the right debian and ubuntu versions
[22:21] <smoser> see http://paste.ubuntu.com/15337646/ for example output
[22:21] <Zulu_Too> Hello. Would someone who has installed Postfix, MySql and Dovecot server share what the relationship between the three in simple terms as I do my homework on knowing what to install. I have found Ubuntu website installation procedures, however, I would like to hear from someone's personal experience. I know it is involved, but a fireside chat would help me to prepare my mind.
[22:22] <Zulu_Too> I have downloaded example config files as examples.
[22:24] <patdk-lap> zulu, that is a huge intertaking
[22:24] <patdk-lap> setting up a mailserver is by far no simple task
[22:24] <Zulu_Too> I realize that.
[22:24] <patdk-lap> but dunno what you mean by relationship between them
[22:24] <patdk-lap> mysql is a database
[22:24] <Zulu_Too> Yes.
[22:24] <patdk-lap> dovecot is an auth/imap server
[22:24] <patdk-lap> postfix is an mta
[22:24] <patdk-lap> there is no relationships
[22:24] <Zulu_Too> So these three just work together then?
[22:25] <patdk-lap> they all do their own tasks
[22:25] <Zulu_Too> I see.
[22:25] <patdk-lap> and produce a final result of imap + smtp server, though the mysql part is not needed at all
[22:25] <Zulu_Too> Thanks for that mysql point.
[22:25] <patdk-lap> you don't have to have imap and smtp on the same server
[22:26] <patdk-lap> personally I run an 2 imap servers, and 16 smtp servers, and then 4 mysql servers for them
[22:26] <Zulu_Too> It is a headless wireless server. It is experimental right now.
[22:26] <Zulu_Too> Apache2
[22:27] <patdk-lap> and then as soon as you get that all setup, you will learn, you will want to add clamav, amavisd-new, spamassassin, .... to the mix
[22:27] <Zulu_Too> i386 machine..
[22:27] <patdk-lap> making it more complex
[22:27] <patdk-lap> then add on webmail
[22:27] <patdk-lap> setup postscreen
[22:27] <nacc> smoser: thanks!
[22:28] <Zulu_Too> I did a little bit of homework on that. That seems like the fun part. However difficult.
[22:30] <patdk-lap> mysql can be used as an authorative source of infomation for dovecot/postfix
[22:30] <patdk-lap> but you could use system accounts, ldap, or any number of other things if you want
[22:31] <Zulu_Too> I appreciate your input Patdk-lap. Thanks. I am not sure how complex I should get with this but you opened up a few thought in my mind on this.
[22:33] <Zulu_Too> I am getting more to appreciate using ssh terminal to the ubuntu box and it has been quite the learning curve here. I have been using Windows for years and know how to navigate with it but it is a totally different story not using a GUI with me.
[22:34] <Zulu_Too> It really makes me appreciate the hard work you folks do here.
[22:36] <patdk-lap> I normally have 2 screens full of ssh connections
[22:39] <Zulu_Too> Sounds like you are a busy person with 2 screens full of ssh connections. My ssh connection is always running with WinSCP from my Windows box. I have run in the past VPN to my linux box.
[22:40] <Zulu_Too> I use puTTY as well. Nice piece of work.
[22:43] <Zulu_Too> The real challenge is using the console commands. That is where the rubber meets the road.
[22:48] <Zulu_Too> Does Spamassassin have to be updated like SuperAntiSpyWare?
[22:50] <sdeziel> Zulu_Too: SA rules are updated daily by /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin
[22:50] <sdeziel> Zulu_Too: you might need to set CRON=1 in /etc/default/spamassassin as I don't remember what's the default value for it
[22:51] <Zulu_Too> Thanks Sdeziel. :)
[22:51] <sdeziel> Zulu_Too: I also second the recommendation regarding postscreen
[22:52] <Zulu_Too> I will certainly do my homework on that Sdeziel. Thanks.
[22:53] <Zulu_Too> I was looking at a pastebin called Stikked. Have you used it?
[22:55] <Zulu_Too> It uses XMPP.   Another interesting thing is called: Jabbered.
[22:55] <Zulu_Too> Also ejabbered.
[22:56] <sdeziel> Zulu_Too: if you are looking for a XMPP server, prosody has always served me well
[22:57] <daxcat> i like prosody personally
[22:57] <Zulu_Too> I will check that out. Thanks.
[22:58] <Zulu_Too> Is this the website you were referring to?   https://prosody.im/
[22:59] <sdeziel> Zulu_Too: yes
[22:59] <daxcat> !info prosody
[23:01] <Zulu_Too> I was searching for an IRC like web based interface and have realtime tech conversations with my clients. There are lots of them out there. I am looking for one with the best latency issues.
[23:01] <sarnold> Zulu_Too: i've heard good things about slack. it seems to be the thing all the cool kids use. nothing on irc but us old farts.
[23:02] <sarnold> (those of us who have been on irc for 20-years may question the wisdom of letting any old idiot include images directly into the window.)
[23:03] <shoutme> sarnold: bah!
[23:03] <Zulu_Too> Sarnold, that is funny. I have been using IRC for many years. I will say that you meet a lot of intelligent people who like to share their knowledge.
[23:03] <shoutme> and their flickr feeds
[23:03] <shoutme> not really
[23:04] <Zulu_Too> My first IRC experience was with Netscape Navigator. It had an IRC client built in. That is old.
[23:05] <Zulu_Too> Years ago you would telnet to IRC.
[23:05] <shoutme> telnet -> stunnel -> irc
[23:06] <shoutme> yeah, obvoiusly i'm trying out the interwebz thing; as i predicted, ctrl-u and ctrl-w are sorta blockers for me
[23:06] <shoutme> (with irc in a web page)
[23:08] <sarnold> shoutme: try pentadactyl, it fixes ^W and ^U :)
[23:08] <Zulu_Too> Years ago, I used to park on the #Linux channel on Dalnet. That was fun. Lots of nice folks there.
[23:09] <sarnold> Zulu_Too: oh indeed, there's lots of great people here. but the scale goes waaaaay down :)
[23:10] <Zulu_Too> I usually gravitate towards those who are humane and are considerate. Not all are.
[23:10] <shoutme> sarnold: trying to make me cry?  pentadactyl is broken with new ff
[23:10] <sarnold> shoutme: oh no :( thanks for the warning..
[23:10] <shoutme> now with signed extensions you can't even build your own
[23:11] <shoutme> i'm actually trying out some other, supported vim-like extension, but it's not good enough
[23:11] <shoutme> vimfx, that's it
[23:12] <shoutme> cna't even do ";y<url-txt>"
[23:12] <shoutme> sarnold: which release are you on?  pentacactly is working for you?
[23:13] <sarnold> shoutme: i'm on firefox 44.0.2+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:13] <sarnold> shoutme: the :help hasn't worked in months but it's otherwise mostly working
[23:14] <shoutme> yeah i'm o n45.0+build2-0ubuntu1
[23:14] <shoutme> maybe i'll start running it in a trusty vm
[23:14] <sarnold> shoutme: I understand the developer builds of firefox allow unsigned extensions
[23:14] <shoutme> hm
[23:15] <shoutme> that'd be worth it
[23:15] <Zulu_Too> Has anyone here used a Windows program called:  Qedit?  Is there a similar program like gvim for the command prompt?
[23:15] <sarnold> shoutme: it'll kinda suck to not get the updates the day they're released, and probably not compiled with the full range of compiler hardening that we get in the ubuntu packages.. but firefox without pentadactyl is baffling.
[23:15] <sarnold> Zulu_Too: I may have used qedit on dos 5.0? try vim
[23:15] <shoutme> yeah i mostly use vimprobable with with a strict apparmor profile and no js now...  keeps me more productive anyway :)
[23:15] <sarnold> Zulu_Too: vim's baffling for the first month or so but then .. well, you turn into shoutme and me and try to turn your web browser into vim :)
[23:16] <shoutme> speaking of which
[23:16] <Zulu_Too> I have tried vim. Amd vi
[23:16] <shoutme> Zulu_Too "gvim for the command prompt" - gvim is vim for the gui, so....
[23:17] <sarnold> Zulu_Too: loads of folks love emacs. I never gave it more than about ten minutes..
[23:17] <Zulu_Too> :)
[23:18] <Zulu_Too> I have also used Nano.
[23:19] <sarnold> I never gave nano more than about ten seconds
[23:19] <Zulu_Too> loll
[23:19] <sarnold> that's normally the first thing I take care of when I install a new ubuntu system is apt-get purge nano. it's easier than trying to figure out how to use alternatives again :)
[23:20] <Zulu_Too> Sarnold that is immensly funny. apt-get purge nano      :)
[23:22] <shoutme> boy do i hate nano as the default
[23:24] <Zulu_Too> I cannot stop laughing.     Purge nano.        hehe
[23:24] <shoutme> we're here for your amusement :)
[23:25] <Zulu_Too> Does that make me a member?   :)
[23:26] <shoutme> lxc launch ubuntu:xenial lv1    <- new simplestreams goodness
[23:31] <Zulu_Too> Hey guys, you've been great here. Thanks for the insight about Postfix and other stuff. I will take to heart the counsel and info about it. I bid all here a great day. Thanks so much. God bless.  Welcome to the club.   hehe
[23:32] <Zulu_Too> :)
[23:32] <sarnold> :)
[23:33] <shoutme> That's it.  My goal for the day is to pursuade everyone i'm a millenial.  I am *not* an old fart.
[23:33] <shoutme> no sir
[23:35] <shoutme> tych0: hey bro, did you see that new cycling app?  rad man.  <- look i'm a millenial
[23:36] <shoutme> hm, nfs-common doesn't want to install in a container.  that's ungood
[23:36] <tych0> shoutme: i can tell when you're faking
[23:36] <tych0> shoutme: your nick isn't even right and i can tell :)
[23:36] <tych0> shoutme: hello hallyn :)
[23:37] <shoutme> curses!
[23:37] <sarnold> shoutme: hey if makes you feel any better you had me fooled "who is this super-cool dude who I don't recall seeing before?" :)

[23:38] <tych0> shoutme: you did call me bro, though. you'll definitely get some millenial points for that. bro.
[23:38] <shoutme> i was gonna say brah but couldn't make my fingers do it
[23:38] <sarnold> also I'm scared to find out if you were trying to mount or export an nfs filesystem, and wondering which one to be more scared about..
[23:39] <shoutme> just apt-get build-dep libvirt
[23:39] <sarnold> oh :/
[23:45] <shoutme> works fine in trusty - must be a systemd thing


[04:18] <rbalint> vmbuilder did not see an update for some time, is there a successor or it just needs some love to support bionic + cosmic?
[04:21] <tsimonq2> (multipass?)
[04:32] <tsimonq2> In this case I'll assume that this is OK, but for the future, a native package with e.g. 1.4.4 when SRUed becomes <IP_ADDRESS> right?
[06:19] <cpaelzer> xnox: hi is the systemd autopkgtest still retry-to-win?
[06:20] <cpaelzer> recent logs look that way, but to be sure I wanted to ask in case there are special bells and whistles to that atm
[07:19] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update_the_packaging has some recommendations for native packages.  <IP_ADDRESS> would only be OK if it's an Ubuntu native package that's not in Debian.
[07:26] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Thanks.
[07:27] <xnox> cpaelzer, i think it got worse recently, did not yet debug on how to make it better =/
[07:27] <cpaelzer> ok
[07:30] <cpaelzer> I have seen the fsck hit in the past
[07:30] <cpaelzer> there seem to be a new one around "unhappy-2.input"
[07:30] <cpaelzer> good name btw
[07:30] <cpaelzer> breaks on "Failed to parse UID: '9999999999': Numerical result out of range"
[07:31] <cpaelzer> maybe now both issues are flaky and together cause a higher fail rate
[07:31] <cpaelzer> I could get it working with "just" one retry this time
[07:31] <cpaelzer> I haven't seen the UID thing before, so I thought I mention if that is known to you already xnox
[07:33] <cpaelzer> xnox: I read through the last 8 fails and found like 6 different issues
[07:33] <cpaelzer> so it is (as it was in the past) not just a single issue to fix :-/
[09:53] <rbasak> RAOF: please could you take a look to see if you're happy releasing budgie-desktop-environment? I'm not sure how to verify the things mentioned in the changleog without bugs, or if you're expecting those to be released without explicit veriication?
[09:54] <rbasak> bug 1755831 and bug 1772238
[09:58] <RAOF> rbasak: I was going to release without explicit verification of the things not bugged in the changelog.
[09:59] <RAOF> Oh, yeah! It's Wednesday! Oops.
[09:59] <rbasak> RAOF: OK. Do you want to take care of that then?
[10:00] <rbasak> I'm just about done with the pending-sru queue for today. I didn't get o some. debootstrap should be releasable soon - I've kicked some dep8 tests and force-badtested one.
[10:00] <rbasak> I'm looking at qemu and libvirt from the Bionic unapproved queue next.
[10:02] <cpaelzer> RAOF: he is looking at the mentioned because he is kind and I'm sort of RAOF for those two updates :-)
[10:03] <RAOF> I can take care of that, but it'll be tomorrow, because I'm on my phone now 😀
[10:03] <cpaelzer> RAOF: then let rbasak continue and take what you can tomorrow
[10:03] <cpaelzer> IMHO the queue is full enough to get both of you busy
[10:04] <cpaelzer> if rbasak tries to get the full queue done today his head might explode
[12:24] <LocutusOfBorg> nacc, pacemaker merge?
[12:28] <rbasak> didrocks: fancy re-sponsoring lastpass-cli in bionic unapproved but using Ubuntu or adjusting vendor so that Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed appears? :)
[12:28]  * rbasak will be back after lunch
[12:53] <xnox> Laney, mailings lists are dead; long live mailing venues =)
[12:53] <Laney> :>
[12:53] <Laney> we could use the Ubuntu amphitheatre
[13:13] <didrocks> rbasak: sorry, wdym by "using Ubuntu"? Indeed, the changelog has a Closes: instead of LP:. I didn't notice it, Nafallo FYI ^
[13:14] <didrocks> if that's the only thing needing changes, I'll handle it, just want to clarify the "but using Ubuntu" :)
[13:14] <rbasak> didrocks: "Closes LP:
[13:14] <rbasak>      #1766186"
[13:14] <rbasak> should be parsed correctly I believe.
[13:14] <ahasenack> "Closes" is fine, dep3changelog uses that syntax
[13:14] <ahasenack> but LP: # is mantadory
[13:14] <rbasak> I think it's odd, but some old timers use it.
[13:14] <didrocks> I'll replace by a traditional LP: ;)
[13:15] <didrocks> rbasak: let me reject the current one
[13:15] <ahasenack> rbasak: dep3changelog adds "Closes"
[13:15] <rbasak> didrocks: usually when the header is missing it's because the signer used dpkg-buildpackage on Debian without overriding the vendor.
[13:16] <didrocks> rbasak: it's a new setup machine, maybe I'm missing a config I didn't restore? but I'm on bionic
[13:17] <rbasak> The only other thing I can think of is that the line wrap confused the parser. But I was under the impression that didn't affect anything.
[13:17] <didrocks> could be
[13:17] <rbasak> AFAIK, it should work by default on any Ubuntu
[13:17] <rbasak> (well maybe not Warty, I don't know)
[13:17] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/374036485/lastpass-cli_1.0.0-1.2ubuntu2_source.changes <- no LP there?
[13:17] <rbasak> That's weird
[13:18] <rbasak> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/374053940/apache2_2.4.29-1ubuntu4.2_source.changes is what I was looking at
[13:18] <rbasak> Which would explain it
[13:18] <rbasak> I'm looking at the wrong package :)
[13:18] <Laney> :D
[13:18] <didrocks> :)
[13:18] <didrocks> yeah, it was wrong anyway, Closes: instead of LP: as said
[13:18] <didrocks> argh, I purged LaTeX after sponsoring this! Have to reinstall it because debian/rules clean needs it :p
[13:18] <rbasak> I use -nc -d usually
[13:19] <Laney> didrocks: debuild -S -d -nc?
[13:19] <Laney> high five
[13:19] <didrocks> yeah, let's try with -nc to see if the diff is ok
[13:20] <didrocks> Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed: 1555562
[13:20] <didrocks> ok, looking better
[13:20] <didrocks> and diff is ok
[13:20] <rbasak> \o/
[13:21] <didrocks> rbasak: thanks for noticing! Pushed
[13:21]  * rbasak pends on the Launchpad diff generator
[13:22] <Laney> ahasenack: never heard of dep3changelog, thanks for the hint BTW
[13:22]  * Laney notices who wrote it too
[13:22] <ahasenack> who?
[13:22] <rbasak> The one person that I know of who considers "Closes: LP: #XXX" OK :)
[13:23] <rbasak> Oh no sorry. That's "Closes LP: #XXX" :)
[16:04] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: i'll take a look
[16:06] <LocutusOfBorg> nacc, <3
[17:39] <smoser> slangasek: you did a review of bionic pollinate SRU at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pollinate/+bug/1761240 . the code for the trusty, xenial, artful are all the same as the bionic... i wonder if you could easily review those also ?
[17:39] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pollinate/+bug/1761240
[17:47] <slangasek> smoser: it's not true that they're all the same as for bionic, today; bionic is at 4.31, artful is at 4.27, etc.  so the diffs will need separate review (but I'm planning to do that)
[17:51] <smoser> slangasek: yes, understood that you review the changes, but in this particular package, probably reviewing the code is just as easy.
[17:51] <smoser> $ wc -l `which pollinate`
[17:51] <smoser> 350 /usr/bin/pollinate
[19:11] <xevious> python3-configshell-fb (which is in universe) has a bug that's breaking my scripts on Ubuntu. It was resolved in 1.1.fb23 (1.1.23 in Debian-speak). What's the process for getting a universe package updated to its latest version?
[19:11] <xevious> https://github.com/open-iscsi/configshell-fb/commit/82f79eb2f967ecd820d531488d0b64d6015b1aaf
[19:36] <nacc> xevious: file a bug
[19:36] <xevious> Would it be better to file it with Debian or on Launchpad?
[19:38] <tsimonq2> xevious: Launchpad.
[19:39] <nacc> xevious: ubuntu bugs go in launchpad
[19:40] <nacc> xevious: but it's not fixed in debian either? then you'd also file one there as a good person (tm)
[19:45] <roaksoax> win 3
[19:48] <tsimonq2> win 4
[19:48] <Unit193> /win 73
[20:00] <xevious> nacc: No, sid and bionic have the same version in universe.
[20:01] <xevious> nacc: I'll file the bugs once I finish some tests.
[20:14] <winksaville> I'm using bionic and I ran across a problem using llvm-3.9 that I build from source using gcc, but if I use llvm-3.9 package it works. Further, if I use clang to compile llvm-3.9 from source it works.
[20:15] <winksaville> So my question is when the llvm-3.9 package is built for distribution what compiler is used?
[20:16] <sarnold> winksaville: take a look at the build logs on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-3.9
[20:17] <sarnold> here's the difference that ubuntu carries compared again sthe debian package https://patches.ubuntu.com/l/llvm-toolchain-3.9/
[20:17] <sarnold> hope this helps, lunchtime :)
[20:18] <winksaville> Txs, I'll take a look
[20:58] <xevious> nacc: I got around to making the Ubuntu ticket: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-configshell-fb/+bug/1776761
[21:04] <winksaville> sarnold: I found the build logs on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-3.9/1:3.9.1-19ubuntu1/+build/14185079 and downloaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-3.9/1:3.9.1-19ubuntu1/+build/14185079/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-amd64.llvm-toolchain-3.9_1%3A3.9.1-19ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[21:04] <winksaville> But when I try to gunzip it says its "not in gzip format", what have I done wrong?
[21:06] <xevious> nacc: I just emailed it to Debian.
[21:11] <xevious> nacc: ...and here it is on their bug tracker: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=901484
[21:12] <winksaville> sarnold: never mind, it appears it gets decompressed in transit or some such and if I save it as a .txt file I can see it just fine.
[21:46] <doko> coreycb, jamespage: for LP: #1482765 please can you follow-up with the security team?
[21:55] <sarnold> winksaville: all good?
[22:07] <coreycb> doko: it looks like the security team's been subscribed. should i check with them on status?
[22:08] <doko> coreycb: please do. just promited it for cosmic
[22:08] <coreycb> doko: will do, thanks
[22:13] <coreycb> doko: is there any way to get that into main for bionic at this point or is it too late?
[22:15] <doko> coreycb: I was told that you need approval/awareness of the security team for this extended security support
[22:15] <doko> but we had prmotions in the update pocket before
[22:16] <coreycb> doko: got it
[22:16] <coreycb> doko: thanks agian


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[16:57] <vorlon> zhsj: ignoring statically-linked-binary makes sense, but if go programs are built without PIE does this mean they cannot be relocated (ASLR)?
[18:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed gconf from i386-whitelist in mantic
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[22:39] <vorlon> zhsj: well I fixed petsc being broken, to try to help https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/nbs.html along; now petsc4py autopkgtests are differently broken, I think I'm punting and leaving this as a +1 problem
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[01:00] <pleia2> jdeslip: doh, I just realized bart isn't near the solano stroll :)
[01:00] <pleia2> jdeslip: is there parking?
[01:36] <pleia2> "Free shuttles run 10AM-7PM from the North Berkeley BART"
[01:36] <pleia2> oh, nice :)
[01:36] <pleia2> 10AM isn't really early enough to set up the booth, but maybe MJ can drop me off
[04:27] <jyo> Oh yeah, I should figure out my transportation as well. :)
[04:33] <jyo> Okay so the whole thing is 26 blocks? Where exactly are we?
[04:37] <pleia2> 1223 Solano Ave
[15:15] <philipballew> oh hey seidos
[16:10] <philipballew> Powers back!
[16:16] <akk> Interesting, the Almaden IBM PC club (normally totally Windows-oriented -- I'm on their list because I spoke there once about GIMP) has a speaker on Ubuntu this month.
[19:27] <pleia2> grantbow: have you seen any zebras yet!?
[19:27] <pleia2> :)
[19:27] <pleia2> I saw an ocelot in phoenix! (it may have been in a zoo)
[19:27] <grantbow> yes, first thing I saw was a zebra near the airport but it was dark
[19:27] <grantbow> they were just wandering across the road
[19:27] <pleia2> yay!
[19:28] <grantbow> pictures next time
[19:28] <pleia2> :)
[19:28] <grantbow> finished second day here. I slept most of it.
[19:28] <grantbow> preparations there are for Solano Stroll?
[19:29] <pleia2> I think we're all set for the stroll
[19:29] <grantbow> good to hear
[19:32] <akk> Wow, wild zebras? Too cool!
[19:32]  * grantbow nods
[19:34] <jledbetter> awesome grantbow:)
[19:34] <grantbow> thanks jledbetter
[19:47] <DarkwingDuck> Hey grantbow
[19:50] <grantbow> hey DarkwingDuck
[20:49] <raevol> i am so bored
[21:35] <philipballew> hey! pleia2 your a mamber of the ubuntu beginners. how did you do that?
[21:35] <pleia2> philipballew: a long, long time ago they had a process where you apply at team meetings
[21:35] <rww> yeah, you're not a beginner, get out of there
[21:35] <philipballew> I was told a few weeks ago I should try to by someone
[21:35] <pleia2> it's all sort of fallen apart though
[21:38] <philipballew> rww, what am i? what would you say i should do. find another place to volunteer? pleia2
[21:38] <rww> philipballew: I was talking to pleia2 :P
[21:38] <philipballew> i have been looking for a good place to help out lately?
[21:39] <rww> (and joking)
[21:39] <philipballew> thats what i figured! :)
[21:39] <rww> I've barely stepped foot in #ubuntu-beginners, so... :|
[21:39] <pleia2> rww: haha, we *help* beginners :)
[21:40] <philipballew> rww, i feel like a begginner on here a lot. but in "real life" i am actually pretty good compared to most
[21:40] <rww> the more I use Ubuntu, the more I realize everyone's a beginner at way over half of Ubuntu.
[21:41]  * bkerensa saw a #ubuntu-beginners meeting once and it wasnt pretty
[21:41] <bkerensa> :D
[21:41] <rww> just different subsets, so people seem smart to each other :)
[21:41] <philipballew> i help people on there. usually at like 1 too 5 am
[21:41] <philipballew> when most people are being smart and sleeping
[21:42] <rww> I mainly have #ubuntu ops because I'm online when people are asleep :)
[21:42]  * philipballew didnt sleep last night as roaming a city with no power is more fun
[21:42] <rww> I was in a study room until 3am and then slumped back to my dorm room
[21:43] <philipballew> I have no school today. all classed canceled accross all of san diego!!!
[21:43]  * philipballew partyin partyin yeah!
[21:44] <philipballew> your area has been nice though lately i hear
[22:15] <raevol> pleia2: i heard you were an xubuntu user?
[22:17] <rww> I'm on Unity right now. I feel so mainstream :<
[22:18] <raevol> hahaha
[22:18] <raevol> how is it?
[22:18] <rww> fine, if I don't plug a second monitor in. if I do, compiz gets unhappy.
[22:18] <raevol> ick
[22:18] <rww> can't be bothered filing a bug about it, going to see if oneiric fixes it in a few months
[22:18] <raevol> i've been meaning to try it, but haven't mustered the motivation
[22:22] <raevol> i'm super excited for lightdm
[22:25] <rww> Why? It's like gdm except with less features :P
[22:26] <nhaines> rww: they have lots of nice Unity enhancements in oneiric.
[22:26] <rww> nhaines: yeah, I'm figuring between that and Xorg updates...
[22:27] <nhaines> rww: in fact, natty-updates include some Unity fixes for multimonitor setups.
[22:27] <nhaines> I ran dual monitors for my Ubuntu Community Week presentation.  Was suboptimal.  :)
[22:28] <raevol> i dunno i just am excited for lightdm :P i miss back when i used slim on debian
[22:28] <rww> nhaines: If I had to guess, I'd say it's a compiz <-> Xorg graphics glitch, rather than specifically a Unity UI bug
[22:28] <raevol> down with compiz :P
[22:29] <nhaines> raevol: lightdm is great except they had to load GTK drivers, reimplement accessibility and localization stuffs.
[22:29] <nhaines> When they're finished, they'll just have gdm again.
[22:29] <nhaines> But minus all of the lessons learned writing gdm.
[22:30] <pleia2> raevol: yep, xubuntu
[22:30] <raevol> me too, xubuntu
[22:30] <raevol> nhaines: hmm i see
[22:31] <rww> nhaines: exactly
[22:32] <akk> I wondered about that ... how it was lighter weight if it had a similar feature set.
[22:32] <nhaines> At least unity-greeter on lightdm is pretty.  Except the input fields are sort of wonky.
[22:33] <akk> If you're worried about gdm being too heavyweight, why use a dm at all?
[22:33] <nhaines> No insertion point (cursor) and your password just disappears when you hit enter.
[22:33] <nhaines> akk: because 'startx' is scary.  :)
[22:33] <rww> and why not refactor the problematic parts of gdm instead of starting from scratch?
[22:33] <nhaines> rww: because of reasons.
[22:36] <akk> Because it's way more fun to start from scratch than to try to figure out someone else's ugly broken code?
[22:36] <rww> true
[22:36] <nhaines> akk: that might be it.  :)
[22:49] <jyo> pleia2: Burned 60+ CDs for Sunday.
[22:49] <pleia2> jyo: yay! thank you
[22:49] <jyo> Now I need to print and fold 60+ cases. :)
[22:50] <pleia2> jyo: actually I have a bunch
[22:50] <pleia2> and I need to use them soon because they go obsolete soon
[22:50] <pleia2> so if you just want to bring the CDs I think we'll be good
[22:50] <pleia2> we can fold while we're there  at the booth :)
[23:20] <grantbow> pleia2 I burned a bunch of CDs for Sunday as well. They are in a box getting delivered to Ian Lynn today.
[23:20] <pleia2> grantbow: cool, thanks :)
[23:25] <bkerensa> =o
[23:26] <bkerensa> Somehow it seems cheaper to go to a CD printer and have them make labels and burn cds with Ubuntu then to buy from the Canonical store
[23:26] <bkerensa> =o
[23:27] <pleia2> cheaper still to have volunteers from the loco burn a bunch and use sleeves we designed: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california/+junk/2010branding-sleeves
[23:28] <nhaines> CD fabrication requires an economy of scale that doesn't economically exist for us.  :)
[23:28]  * pleia2 nods
[23:28] <pleia2> the pennsylvania loco had a team member with a huge burning machine that would burn like 100 cds at a time, but he didn't buy it for the loco, it was a work thing I think :)
[23:29] <grantbow> the quick cycles are why suse pulled their box sets from shelves years back
[23:30] <grantbow> Ernie wanted to build a burn machine for the loco. I would too.
[23:39] <nhaines> pleia2: you're right, I don't trust that philipballew either.
[23:39] <pleia2> hahaha
[23:41] <philipballew> philipballew, is a real loser :)
[23:41] <pleia2> philipballew is my BFF this week because he blogged about the san diego jam
[23:41] <pleia2> (hehe, "BFF this week")
[23:42] <philipballew> you used it or something :)
[23:42] <nhaines> hehe
[23:43]  * philipballew is always out of the loop :)
[23:44] <nhaines> philipballew: the joke is that (you can check the logs) no one was talking about you at all before you got here.  :)
[23:45] <nhaines> (in fact, we were talking about making Ubuntu CDs economically.)
[23:45] <pleia2> I am still excited about grantbow seeing zebras
[23:45] <pleia2> I'm telling everyone
[23:46]  * philipballew left his 100 pack of cd's at scale I hope they went to good use. I saw a zebra at the zoo here once. very nice
[23:46] <pleia2> philipballew: the ones that weren't given away at scale were given away at the noisebridge hackerspace, presumably all went to good use :)
[23:46] <pleia2> at least I didn't see any ISO castles
[23:47] <philipballew> excellent :) i have 2 in my dorm room. what does iso stand for?
[23:47] <philipballew> I had a job interview for a network maintainer for the school and they kept asking my computer acronyms like iso. that was one i did not know
[23:47] <pleia2> I suppose the proper term would be CDs
[23:48] <rww> ISO refers to the fact that proper .iso files are ISO-9660 file systems
[23:48] <rww> International Standards Organization
[23:48] <nhaines> ISO is a CD image, it refers to the fact that CDs use ISO-9660 as their file system.
[23:48] <nhaines> rww: get out of my head!
[23:48]  * philipballew was the only person when asked to name computer parts named raid cards. and even know what raid does
[23:48] <rww> well, International Organization for Standardization
[23:49] <philipballew> there is a organization for everything.
[23:49] <philipballew> there is even a organization that determines wifi standards as well
[23:50] <rww> someone's got to
[23:50] <bkerensa> pleia2: http://i.imgur.com/DLFRX.png <-- Our banner (proof)
[23:50] <bkerensa> =o
[23:50] <pleia2> bkerensa: nice :)
[23:50] <philipballew> i'll take the job. i will mandate all essid's be called phil
[23:50] <nhaines> bkerensa: Ubuntu font? :)
[23:51] <philipballew> "did you connect to phil yet? " "hold on a sec"
[23:51] <bkerensa> nhaines: Unfortunately Staples Banner Designer software does not offer that
[23:51] <bkerensa> :D
[23:51] <bkerensa> thats just a mock up
[23:52]  * bkerensa is gonna use Ubuntu font when he does it in gimp
[23:52] <nhaines> bkerensa: another good reason to use PDF.  ;)
[23:52] <philipballew> a local place would do it
[23:52] <nhaines> Noo!  Inkscape!
[23:52] <bkerensa> nhaines: Nooo
[23:52] <pleia2> yeah you want inkscape so you can do vector
[23:52] <bkerensa> Inkscape annoys me :P
[23:52] <bkerensa> LOL
[23:52] <nhaines> It is your destiny.
[23:52]  * nhaines breathes.
[23:52] <bkerensa> I cant do Inkscape
[23:52] <pleia2> ours was sent to the printer as a massive pdf exported from svg
[23:52] <bkerensa> any volunteers?
[23:52] <bkerensa> :D
[23:52] <bkerensa> everyone in our loco is coders :D
[23:52] <philipballew> do it all in blender bkerensa
[23:53] <nhaines> needs more lens flare.
[23:53] <pleia2> if I can do inkscape anyone can
[23:53] <pleia2> nhaines: hahaha
[23:53] <bkerensa> pleia2: This is totally not sexist but Women generally are more artistic then men
[23:53] <bkerensa> :)
[23:54] <bkerensa> that or I just lack the ability
[23:54] <bkerensa> :D
[23:54] <philipballew> all the women in my woodshop class's in hs kept putting out better things then me.
[23:54] <bkerensa> see!
[23:54] <bkerensa> my wooden bowl I made in woodshop was horrid
[23:54] <bkerensa> :D
[23:55] <philipballew> the ceramic tux penguin made in ceramics in hs though   AWESOME!!!!
[23:55] <bkerensa> I guess the issue I have with Inkscape is selecting layers
[23:55] <bkerensa> =/
[23:55] <bkerensa> Not as easy as Gimp
[23:55] <pleia2> bkerensa: haha, I like pink but I do NOT fulfill that stereotype
[23:55]  * pleia2 useless at art, can't even match clothes
[23:56] <bkerensa> ah jeez getting paged
[23:56] <nhaines> bkerensa: good news then because Inkscape doesn't have layers!  :D
[23:56]  * philipballew wore a pink shirt yesterday
[23:57] <bkerensa> nhaines: Ok elements or whatever? How do I select between a text element and a shape/image etc?
[23:57] <pleia2> click on it
[23:58] <nhaines> ^^ this
[23:58] <philipballew> just make it all in mircosoft publisher bkerensa :)
[23:59] <pleia2> now I'm really going to talk about philipballew behind his back
[23:59] <pleia2> (does publisher even exist anymore?)
[23:59] <philipballew> i was criticized last week for not knowing active directory. or .net


[07:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[19:22] <UnexpectedEOF> what is nice?
[19:22] <UnexpectedEOF> how how do I use it?
[19:23] <Helenah> Hi hi
[19:23] <Helenah> https://i.imgur.com/SuTs6IO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Zb04EDG.jpg
[19:23] <UnexpectedEOF> what is nice and what dose it do?
[19:23] <Helenah> UnexpectedEOF, What is?
[19:23] <UnexpectedEOF> nice
[19:24] <UnexpectedEOF> as in htop
[19:24] <Helenah> Oh!
[19:24] <Helenah> Yeah, htop is nice :)
[19:24] <UnexpectedEOF> nvm I found it
[19:36] <Helenah> I'm still getting write error and I set up the VM again with basic configuration...
[19:36] <Helenah> Please help?
[19:50] <sarnold> Helenah: I know nothing about proxmox, but maybe feeding it cloud images instead of disk+installer would be easier http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/
[20:21] <teward> sarnold: well Proxmox I think uses kvm/qemu under the hood, so if they're getting errors at the kernel panic level I'd assume that they've got an image that's broken, for the installer ISO.
[20:21] <teward> Helenah: did you verify the ISO before trying to boot to it?
[20:27] <Helenah> I forgot to say but I fixed it
[20:27] <Helenah> I upped the RAM from 512MB to 1024MB
[20:27] <Helenah> lol
[20:29] <sarnold> was that it? heh
[20:46] <Helenah> Yep
[21:18] <xibalba> i have an ansible directory i want to share with some folks on a server. i made all the files g+rwx on ansible, but new files are created with user:user not user:ansible, how can i make it so new fiels default to a group ansible under a specific directory?
[21:18] <xibalba> i think i need to make the directory's group ansible, i missed that.
[21:20] <sdeziel> xibalba: you need to setgid the directory
[21:21] <xibalba> hmm ok ill figure out how to do that
[21:24] <sdeziel> `chmod g+s $directory`
[21:24] <xibalba> thanks was justr reading about it here, https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-use-special-permissions-the-setuid-setgid-and-sticky-bits, been a while since ive used a sticky bit


[03:29] <ScottL> heh, despite a thunderstorm that knocked out the electricity for most of the evening, i did manage to update the seeds for xfce4-utils. hopefully tomorrow's image builds
[03:34] <micahg> ScottL: I think it still needs an upload, what about the other changes for xfce4-utils
[09:26] <ailo> Had forgotten to update my launchpad with a new gpg key :(
[13:44] <scott-work> good morning
[13:45] <len-dt> gm
[13:46] <astraljava> o/ everybody
[13:50]  * len-dt is off to work...
[14:10] <knome> Xubuntu community meeting in about 50 mins at #xubuntu-devel. Everybody is welcome! Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[14:14]  * astraljava strongly recommends people to pay attention to this meeting, it's a great learning experience for our community as well, They Do It Right™
[14:15] <knome> hah. putting the pressure on me.
[14:15] <knome> :)
[14:16] <astraljava> You've still got a little bit to go to become a diamond.
[14:17] <knome> quite a lot looking at my middle-body
[14:17] <knome> what time is the QA roundtable again?
[14:18] <knome> in the email, it says 3pm GMT (no dst), when you click on more details, it says 4pm GMT (no dst)
[14:18] <astraljava> Hmm... I'll have to ask at the end of the current one.
[14:19] <knome> thanks
[14:19] <knome> google cal says 4pm
[14:20] <astraljava> Ok. And I can't check as it's for my other email, and stupid google calendar can't merge email addresses.
[14:20] <knome> hmm. google allows multi-login nowadays though
[14:20] <knome> i don't use it, but i've seen google asking me to
[14:23] <astraljava> It does, but my ubuntu email address isn't a google account.
[14:23] <astraljava> Maybe I need to make it one.
[14:24] <knome> heh
[14:24] <knome> maybe
[14:31] <astraljava> Hmm... how does one create a google account these days? I'm not seeing a "sign up for an account" link/button/monkeyhead anywhere.
[14:31] <astraljava> *oops*
[14:31] <astraljava> It's there.
[14:31] <knome> huho, i don't know. i only use apps for domain
[14:32] <astraljava> OH LOOK! A FLYING COW!
[14:32] <scott-work> astraljava: meeting this weekend? we sort of had a informal series of discussions last weekend
[14:32] <scott-work> if so i can try to put together an agenda and send out an email about it
[14:33] <astraljava> scott-work: It's certainly doable, and very strongly encouraged with huge appreciation to go with it. Let me get back to you on that. (I like typing that, it's the third time in 8 minutes or so...)
[14:34] <astraljava> meh... it wants to make it a @gmail.com account. I don't want that.
[14:34] <knome> astraljava, what would you like it to be then? :P
[14:35] <scott-work><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:35] <astraljava> knome: I'd like to have an account that somehow identifies with another email address, doesn't matter what account it is.
[14:35] <astraljava> scott-work: You're a miracle!
[14:35] <knome> astraljava, buy a domain ;]
[14:36] <knome> astraljava, it's about 10 euros per year, and with joker, you don't even have to worry about having any hosting.
[14:38] <astraljava> Hmm...
[14:41] <knome> astraljava, you can even register letmegetyouthat.info
[14:41] <knome> ;)
[14:41] <knome> that'd be 4 euros for the first year for a promotion price.
[14:45] <astraljava> knome: Did you see that on -meeting?
[14:45] <astraljava> 1600 UTC
[14:45] <knome> what?
[14:45] <knome> no, i'm not on -meeting
[14:45] <knome> but thanks.
[14:45] <astraljava> Ok.
[14:45] <knome> -meeting is just a lot of spam :)
[14:48] <astraljava> bah
[14:49] <knome> well, mostly at least.
[14:51] <astraljava> Oh yeah, talking about doing the meetings right. Have a look at the kernel team's minutes (if it has timestamps) sometimes. Talk about efficiency.
[14:51] <astraljava> It's usually the most vocal meeting there is, and it's usually over in less than 7 minutes. *grin*
[14:51] <knome> hah.
[14:52] <astraljava> If you miss it, you miss it.
[14:52] <astraljava> No coming in late.
[14:52] <knome> :)=
[14:52] <knome> that should be the policy for our meetings too.
[14:52] <knome> set up #xubuntu-meeting and set as invite only when the meeting has started.
[14:53] <astraljava> ...and close up before ten minutes have passed.
[14:53] <knome> ;)
[14:53] <astraljava> Yep, that's the way it should be run.
[15:55] <ScottL> micahg, does the iso build anyways without an upload to the meta? i thought we saw that it did before
[15:56] <ScottL> micahg, what other changes did you mean for xfce4-utils, i made sure -session was included in the seeds and libxfceui-utils was included as well
[15:56] <ScottL> scott hopes this irc chat is working currently
[15:57] <micahg> ScottL: it does if the meta packages that are included on the ISO don't conflict with anything :)
[16:14] <scott-work> astraljava: haha!
[16:15] <astraljava> I just had to.
[20:42] <len-dt> ScottL, the ubuntustudio-settings package recommends xfce4-utils
[23:06] <micahg> oh and FWIW, libav-extra is broke ATM, it's on my list to upload
[23:07] <micahg> but TBH, it'll probably be the weekend before I get to it
[23:08] <micahg> if someone wants to fix the other broken bits, I"ll be happy to sponsor them this weekend as well


[05:48] <immu> hi all
[05:50] <valorie> immu: you asked earlier about fonts
[05:50] <valorie> what are you missing in Kubuntu?
[05:50] <valorie> one can use the Ubuntu font btw
[06:00] <immu> valorie: hi
[06:00] <immu> the clean look of ubuntu, its better now but not like Ubuntu, so use to after all these years valorie
[06:03] <valorie> this article is a bit old, and it refers to KDE as "the desktop" instead of the community, but it might help: https://www.maketecheasier.com/get-great-looking-fonts-in-kde/
[06:05] <valorie> playing with hinting and anti-aliasing might make them appear closer to what you're used to
[06:05] <valorie> I love the fonts in kubuntu
[06:05] <valorie> but we all have different taste
[06:27] <immu> valorie: ok
[06:30] <loely> test
[07:30] <immu> its so quiet in here
[07:30] <hateball> Maybe everything is working
[07:34] <immu> yeah hateball
[07:34] <immu> i mean normal chatter hateball
[07:34] <immu> do we have a discuss channel?
[07:34] <hateball> immu: That goes in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[07:37] <immu> done
[07:37] <immu> hateball: how long have you being using KDE/Kubuntu?
[07:46]  * acheronUK is drinking coffee
[10:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:39] <BluesKaj> immu, Kmenu>system settings>Fonts
[10:40] <immu> what about anti liasing?
[10:41] <hateball> You have options for subpixel hinting in the fonts config
[10:41] <BluesKaj> immu, both ubuntu and kubuntu use almost the same fonts
[10:41] <immu> i see all noto
[10:41] <immu> yurs.
[10:43] <immu> yours BluesKaj
[10:43] <BluesKaj> click on "all fonts" , then check Font, Font style and Size, then scroll to the fonys thst look best to you
[10:43] <BluesKaj> fonts that
[10:46] <immu> oke
[10:47] <BluesKaj> anti aliasing can be enabled if you wish
[12:08] <immu> how can i see a shared folder from my kubuntu system , with the shared folder present in Windows10
[12:18] <BluesKaj> immu, on a different paritition or pc ?
[12:21] <immu> BluesKaj: different pc
[12:22] <immu> from one laptop to another
[12:26] <BluesKaj> immu, clisk on network in dolphin>add network folder>microsoft network drive
[12:26] <BluesKaj> click
[12:29] <BluesKaj> once you have the connection set up add the folder in networking to places in dolphin
[12:32] <immu> ok will try tonight BluesKaj
[12:33] <BluesKaj> immu, there are other methods and a bit of research on google will show them if you have problems connecting
[12:34] <BluesKaj> like samba sahres etc
[12:34] <immu> sure
[12:34] <BluesKaj> shares
[12:35] <BluesKaj> buy I find the add network dfolder works well on my home network
[12:36]  * BluesKaj sheds more light on the KB, clouded over , getting dark in here
[13:32] <immu> does kubuntu use wayland is the displayserver and window manager? etc
[13:39] <IrcsomeBot1> gouthamganesan was removed by: gouthamganesan
[13:52] <Dragnslcr> immu- it doesn't look like it, or at least I don't have the xwayland package installed
[14:11] <immu_> back
[14:54] <rooti> hello
[15:03] <BluesKaj> !wayland
[15:05] <genii> heh, still referring to Mir
[15:07] <immu_> ubottu: you here too?
[15:07] <immu_> our Kubuntu uses wayland BluesKaj confirmed?
[15:09] <BluesKaj> immu_,` no
[15:09] <BluesKaj> still uses X11
[15:30] <user|17338> Is this a good place to ask a Firefox related question? It's an issue I'm having in Kubuntu that isn't present in Ubuntu
[16:49] <immu_> whats the app to write Distro ISO in kubuntu
[17:30] <Dragnslcr> immu_- to a CD, k3b. If you want to write to a USB drive, it's best to just use dd in a terminal
[17:30] <ronnoc> immu_: Check out Escher: https://etcher.io/    << works great
[17:31] <ronnoc> + of course what Dragnslcr said is valid as well.
[17:32]  * ronnoc thinks the official .org site needs updated with detailed methods for iso writing, since this ? comes up often.
[17:40] <IrcsomeBot1> jayantseraph was removed by: jayantseraph
[17:48] <immu_> Dragnslcr: ronnoc thanks
[18:03] <a1fa> hello - for some reason google chrome does not have minimize/maximize/x buttons after unchecking window decorations
[18:04] <a1fa> also no icons for google chrome in the application menu/pin tray
[18:26] <a1fa> a reboot fixed it
[18:26] <a1fa> all issues
[18:27] <ronnoc> a1fa: Sometimes simplicity is the best first action :)
[18:27] <a1fa> now if i can resolve the drag issue*
[18:28] <a1fa> which i believe its resolved as well by changing drag pixels and drag time
[18:28] <a1fa> drag pixel 1px, drag time 100ms
[18:29] <a1fa> how do you remove that little menu = that floats on the desktop
[18:43] <sithlord48> rt. click on the desktop -> configure Desktop -> tweaks -> uncheck show desktop toolbox
[18:43] <sithlord48> a1fa:  ^^
[18:47] <a1fa> sithlord48: thank you
[18:47] <sithlord48> np
[18:47] <a1fa> sorry been on the phone
[18:48] <a1fa> and its gone
[18:48] <a1fa> awesome
[18:56] <a1fa> one more issue :)
[18:59] <a1fa> drop downs, using Breeze Dark theme, and drop down menus are normal, but when you drop them, they are white on white
[18:59] <a1fa> looks like a QtCurve issue
[19:08] <a1fa> now if there was only a way to save all cutomizations to distribute amonst other computers -_-
[19:15] <IrcsomeBot1> punit_arya was removed by: punit_arya
[20:15] <suncokret> hello, is here somebody for help
[20:15] <suncokret> ?
[20:17] <clivejo> suncokret: what's the problem?
[20:40] <a1fa> now if only videos wouldnt tear
[21:07] <a1fa> where are local themes stored?
[21:10] <a1fa> .local/share/aurorae/themes
[23:47] <etherlycht> xmpp  = Vysper or cytadel?
[23:56] <etherlycht> nvidia in nouveau?