[10:30] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, gjs news?
[12:23] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: upstream bug is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/786578
[12:24] <jbicha> also mentioned on LP: #1712800
[12:26] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm I think I need to make it build on s390x
[12:26] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, is it the same issue?
[12:27] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gjs/1.49.91-0ubuntu1
[12:27] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: we already removed gjs/s390x (well mostly, an AA needs to remove gnome-session/s390x and ubuntu-session/s390x binaries I think)
[12:27] <jbicha> LP: #1712083
[12:28] <jbicha> armhf is more concerning since that's more of an architecture we currently support for desktop stuff
[12:29] <jbicha> but if you can manage to fix s390x that would be great too (but the ubuntu-desktop metapackage isn't built for s390x)
[12:31] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, how could it be removed without removing reverse-dependencies? libguestfs is now waiting for something that won't be there
[12:35] <jbicha> because we missed some deps
[12:36] <jbicha> does libguestfs really need gjs to build? because that's getting close to server stuff which we do support for s390x
[13:23] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, uploaded without it
[13:29] <jbicha> thanks
[13:29] <LocutusOfBorg> lets see if somebody complains :p
[18:33] <slangasek> jbicha: where do you see that {gnome,ubuntu}-session binaries need removed for s390x?  I don't see these having a dep on gjs according to reverse-depends (on other archs), and I also don't show them on the uninstallable list
[19:58] <jbicha> slangasek: on excuses, they have unsat. dep on gnome-shell which would dep. on gjs
[20:00] <jbicha> I guess we need to stop building those binaries for s390x…
[20:01] <slangasek> jbicha: ah, stuck in -proposed.  yes, someone should upload to stop it building uninstallable binaries, then we can remove the old binaries
[20:02] <jbicha> slangasek: do you want me to do that now for src:gnome-session?
[20:02] <slangasek> jbicha: sure
[20:55] <jbicha> slangasek: done. They show up as "old binaries" on excuses now
[21:24] <slangasek> jbicha: removed, thanks


[01:28] <FloatingGoat> holstein: SHURE KSM32
[01:28] <FloatingGoat> what do you think of that
[01:31] <FloatingGoat> might buy it
[01:33] <FloatingGoat> holstein:
[01:39] <FloatingGoat> horry shet
[01:39] <FloatingGoat> that production grade
[02:08] <FloatingGoat> anyone?
[03:47] <Eee-M0Nkie> Hey I have a quick question about Ubuntu Studio
[03:47] <Eee-M0Nkie> maybe someone here can help me out
[03:48] <Eee-M0Nkie> 1st How does it run on a laptop?
[03:48] <Eee-M0Nkie> Is it better for a desktop?
[03:49] <Eee-M0Nkie> hello?
[03:53] <len-dt> Eee-M0Nkie, it runs on a lap top or a netbook
[03:54] <Eee-M0Nkie> Ok cool
[03:54] <Eee-M0Nkie> was worried about power
[03:54] <len-dt> better or worse depends on the desktop and the laptop.
[03:55] <len-dt> I have found that memory is more important than cpu speed or power.
[03:55] <Eee-M0Nkie> The Lap top im using is Quad core and 4 gigs ram
[03:56] <len-dt> My netbook has 1 Gig of ram and an atom that runs at 1.6ghz.
[03:56] <len-dt> I can still record glitchless sound.
[03:56] <len-dt> How many tracks or how many softsynths is another question.
[03:57] <Eee-M0Nkie> wow
[03:57] <Eee-M0Nkie> cool so I shoul dbe okay then
[03:57] <Eee-M0Nkie> should*
[03:57] <len-dt> I have had ardour recording two tracks while hydrogen was supplying drums and playing 4 softsynths with up to 4 note at a time.
[03:58] <len-dt> You may need an external sound card.
[03:58] <Eee-M0Nkie> I have one
[03:58] <Eee-M0Nkie> : )
[03:58] <len-dt> Sounds like you are set.
[03:58] <Eee-M0Nkie> was just going to ask if that would help
[03:59] <len-dt> Internal sound cards sound ok on the output, but the input circiutry is not so hot.
[04:00] <Eee-M0Nkie> Thanks for the info
[04:00] <len-dt> No problem
[04:00] <Eee-M0Nkie> I am going to go cut the iso and get started
[04:00] <len-dt> Easiest to use a USB stick
[04:01] <len-dt> Of coarse I have no dvd drive, so that may colour my thoughts
[04:03] <Eee-M0Nkie> I dont have free usb atm
[04:03] <Eee-M0Nkie> lol
[04:03] <Eee-M0Nkie> they all have important tools and various apps
[04:03] <Eee-M0Nkie> for portable use
[04:05] <Eee-M0Nkie> thanks again!
[04:48] <FloatingGoat> holstein: you there?
[08:26] <astraljava> plotino: Your only option would be to see whether there's a newer version in -backports.
[08:40] <astraljava> *oops* Disregard that, poor play with keyboard while thinking the network was down.
[11:23] <Eee-M0Nkie> I am having a blank screen issue after install of UbuntuStudio 12.04
[11:23] <Eee-M0Nkie> need help...
[15:19] <holstein> FloatingGoat: hello?
[15:19] <FloatingGoat> hey
[15:20] <FloatingGoat> should i get the SHURE KSM32
[15:20] <holstein> if you need/like it
[15:21] <FloatingGoat> ut you said et a really good mic
[15:21] <FloatingGoat> is taht one really goot
[15:21] <holstein> i would stay away from anything in the pg series from shure
[15:21] <FloatingGoat> good*
[15:21] <holstein> i think the ksm27 is more bang for the buck
[15:21] <holstein> thats a great mic though if you find a good deal on it
[15:22] <holstein> http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/Shure/KSM27
[15:22] <holstein> http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/Shure/KSM32
[15:23] <holstein> in that price range, i might go with another brand... but the shure gear is quite nice
[15:33] <FloatingGoat> i'll get it use for like 300 bucks
[15:34] <holstein> used
[15:34] <holstein> i would trus a used shure mic, as long as its what its supposed to be
[15:34] <holstein> trust*
[15:34] <holstein> though, the 27 new is still cheaper
[15:35] <holstein> now.. you find a used ksm27 for $100.. thats a deal :)
[15:35] <FloatingGoat> what do you like that mic?
[15:36] <holstein> i think both will be quite nice FloatingGoat
[15:36] <holstein> the value of the ksm27 is arguably more
[15:36] <FloatingGoat> better than the mxl?
[15:36] <holstein> FloatingGoat: mxl is a paperweight
[15:36] <FloatingGoat> you think its production grade?
[15:36] <holstein> you cant even compare the 2
[15:36] <FloatingGoat> the 27
[15:36] <FloatingGoat> ?
[15:36] <holstein> unless you want to go into the higher end mxl's
[15:37] <holstein> and i wouldnt
[15:37] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[15:37] <FloatingGoat> idk man i think the mxl sounds good
[15:37] <holstein> in that price range, you can get so much better mics, such as the ones wer are talking about
[15:37] <FloatingGoat> but im willing to go higher
[15:37] <holstein> we*
[15:37] <FloatingGoat> but ill buy used since used retains the products value
[15:37] <holstein> in theory
[15:37] <FloatingGoat> ii can just sell it for what i bought it when i need my money back
[15:37] <holstein> assuming it is what it is, and its working
[15:37] <FloatingGoat> yeah lol
[15:38] <holstein> im dealing with a used mic repair right now
[15:38] <holstein> its taking forever.. over a year
[15:38] <FloatingGoat> :'(
[15:38] <holstein> eh.. i got time to wait... but still
[15:38] <holstein> if you like the mxl, get it
[15:38] <FloatingGoat> naw
[15:38] <holstein> i have had one.. one of the higher end ones
[15:38] <holstein> sounded OK
[15:38] <FloatingGoat> i need something that will make my vocals sound like bejeebus
[15:39] <holstein> gold in gold out...
[15:39] <holstein> i wouldnt expect the equipment to "make you a star" so to speak
[15:39] <FloatingGoat> used 27's go for around 150
[15:39] <holstein> thats OK i suppose
[15:39] <holstein> not much more for a new one
[15:40] <FloatingGoat> no i have some really great tracks that im going to run through production grade synths
[15:40] <holstein> i dont know what that means
[15:40] <FloatingGoat> alls left to do is finish writing the songs and record
[15:40] <holstein> im not sure how you can run a track through a synth
[15:40] <holstein> synths are just synthgs
[15:40] <holstein> synths*
[15:40] <FloatingGoat> no i mean
[15:40] <FloatingGoat> I made them in LMMS
[15:40] <holstein> theres not really a "production grade" synth
[15:41] <holstein> its all just MIDI, and/or samples
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> yeah there is lol
[15:41] <holstein> its up to you to keep them clean
[15:41] <holstein> FloatingGoat: nah
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> like the sh*t deamau5 uses n stuff
[15:41] <holstein> FloatingGoat: not really
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> thats high quality sh*t
[15:41] <holstein> nah
[15:41] <holstein> its all just samples
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> sounded good on flac
[15:41] <holstein> flac, wav.. whatever
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> yeah thats what i mean
[15:41] <FloatingGoat> need better samples
[15:41] <holstein> its just a samples
[15:41] <holstein> better is arguable
[15:42] <FloatingGoat> and im going to plug them into the piano roll
[15:42] <holstein> and a matter of opinion
[15:42] <FloatingGoat> idk my music now is missing something man
[15:42] <FloatingGoat> needs better quality samples
[15:42] <holstein> i dont care what you run them through, its just a sample
[15:42] <holstein> and the end result is likely CD.. or worse.. mp3
[15:42] <holstein> so, no one will notice, or care about any of this ;)
[15:42] <holstein> nothing wrong with keeping tracks clean though
[15:43] <holstein> i dont do a lot with samples or sampling though
[15:43] <holstein> i do mostly recording of acoustic instruments
[15:43] <FloatingGoat> yeah its really had for me to get real recordings
[15:44] <holstein> well, looking at your environment, and some key pieces of gear can be an easy way to clean up your signal
[15:44] <holstein> assuming you need/want to make your own samples
[15:44] <holstein> otherwise, get out your wallet, buy some samples, and enjoy :)
[15:46] <FloatingGoat> whats 129 sound for the 27?
[15:46] <holstein> depends
[15:46] <holstein> if its clean and new-ish, thats a good deal
[15:46] <holstein> its a great mic
[15:46] <holstein> for that $$
[15:47] <FloatingGoat> i might have to take a look at it
[15:47] <FloatingGoat> a pawn shop posted an ad for one on craigslist
[15:48] <holstein> cool
[15:48] <holstein> you could probably make a cash offer then
[15:48] <holstein> i would go in with $100, and walk slowly out the door if they refuse it
[15:51] <FloatingGoat> lol
[15:51] <FloatingGoat> come back in with 130?
[15:52] <FloatingGoat> maybe i can get them down to like 110
[15:52] <FloatingGoat> its a small shop so possible
[15:54] <FloatingGoat> http://images.craigslist.org/5L25If5M63E63Fa3Nec5187aedca413591dcd.jpg
[15:55] <FloatingGoat> that look in good condition
[15:55] <FloatingGoat> ?
[16:01] <holstein> doesnt matter what the case looks like
[16:01] <holstein> those are sturdy mics though
[16:02] <holstein> thats a good value at 130
[16:04] <FloatingGoat> is that real?
[16:04] <FloatingGoat> yeah it seems a good value
[16:04] <FloatingGoat> seeing as they go for 300 new
[16:04] <FloatingGoat> >.>
[16:04] <FloatingGoat> and you said to emulate the studio
[16:04] <FloatingGoat> so use mic right? :P
[16:05] <FloatingGoat> used*
[16:05] <holstein> FloatingGoat: they are $180 new
[16:05] <FloatingGoat> MY LIFE IS A LIE
[16:05] <holstein> the ksm27 is not the ksm32
[16:05] <FloatingGoat> 32's are 500 new!
[16:06] <holstein> FloatingGoat: the only way to emulate the studio is to do just that
[16:06] <FloatingGoat> just do what?
[16:06] <holstein> get nice mics and preamps and rooms and other equipment
[16:06] <holstein> this is a decent mic
[16:06] <holstein> studios use it
[16:06] <holstein> will you sound good with it?
[16:06] <FloatingGoat> yeah son!
[16:06] <holstein> i have no idea
[16:06] <FloatingGoat> you want to hear what i already have on my sh*t mic?
[16:06] <holstein> if you got crap preamps, then that'll be the bottleneck
[16:06] <holstein> FloatingGoat: sure
[16:07] <FloatingGoat> okay sec
[16:07] <FloatingGoat> well i was tinking of gettin a cheap behriner
[16:08] <holstein> yup
[16:08] <holstein> and those are just that
[16:08] <holstein> cheap
[16:08] <FloatingGoat> lol bro
[16:08] <FloatingGoat> im not spending 200 bucks on a mixer
[16:08] <holstein> *no* studio uses *any* behringer preamps
[16:08] <FloatingGoat> ill do that on my computer
[16:08] <holstein> FloatingGoat: nope.. but you could spend $200 on a nice preamp
[16:08] <FloatingGoat> no bro
[16:08] <FloatingGoat> thats too much yo
[16:08] <FloatingGoat> i dont even know how to use it
[16:08] <holstein> FloatingGoat: then, id say, dont bother with the mic either
[16:09] <holstein> FloatingGoat: are you a computer guy?
[16:09] <FloatingGoat> to an extend
[16:09] <FloatingGoat> extent
[16:09] <holstein> imagine i come to you right now and i say i want to use a 486 for something
[16:09] <holstein> right now..
[16:09] <holstein> you could propose some slim linux scenarios
[16:09] <holstein> you could propose embedded
[16:10] <holstein> but, really... today, i would need a moderate baseline system
[16:10] <holstein> or, i might as well not bother
[16:10] <holstein> OR, just accept the sub-par performance of the 486
[16:10] <holstein> and thats what im saying to you
[16:10] <holstein> you dont have the base line minimum yet
[16:10] <holstein> you dont *need* to spend a bunch of money
[16:10] <holstein> you dont need a mixer at all
[16:11] <FloatingGoat> http://ubuntuone.com/7S78zngXCIaduAmv1F05dH
[16:11] <holstein> but, you can see what a studio has and emulate that as best as you can
[16:11] <holstein> a studio would charge you $120 an hour
[16:11] <holstein> and you are going to pay that for your microphone
[16:11] <FloatingGoat> Art Tube MP Professional Mic Preamp/Processor
[16:11] <holstein> how can you expect to compete or compare with that without some decent tools?
[16:11] <FloatingGoat> what about that shet
[16:12] <holstein> thats a good cheap step up
[16:12] <holstein> how do you get in the computer with it?
[16:12] <holstein> you want to keep that clean
[16:12] <FloatingGoat> connectors
[16:12] <holstein> FloatingGoat: right
[16:12] <holstein> FloatingGoat: thats awful too
[16:12] <FloatingGoat> maybe a really good usb sound card
[16:12] <holstein> FloatingGoat: you need some USB interface, and those can come with pre's
[16:12] <holstein> so, i usually say its a better value to get a USB device with preamps on it
[16:13] <FloatingGoat> really?
[16:13] <holstein> sure
[16:13] <FloatingGoat> Art USB Dual Pre PS Two Channel Preamp with USB
[16:13] <holstein> FloatingGoat: yeah, your tracks are OK
[16:13] <FloatingGoat> thats not my favorite one
[16:13] <FloatingGoat> hmm
[16:13] <holstein> couple little tweaks and you'll clean that up
[16:13] <holstein> i would get the $30 tupe preamp
[16:14] <holstein> and the $30 USB beringer inferface
[16:14] <FloatingGoat> http://ubuntuone.com/3TSelC5UAIGI2O9KAf1Hxa I like this one a lot i made it a while back, one of my first tracks
[16:14] <holstein> OR, just some maudio all-in-one for $100
[16:14] <holstein> i mean, those samples are "in the box"
[16:15] <holstein> and thats what you mostly do
[16:15] <holstein> maybe you just create the tracks, the midi ones, take them to a studio and sing over them
[16:15] <holstein> you could knock a bunch out in a few hours
[16:15] <FloatingGoat> what does in the box mean
[16:15] <FloatingGoat> i dont think i could though
[16:16] <holstein> FloatingGoat: the computer is responisble for creating and/or rendering those sounds
[16:16] <holstein> the mic doesnt matter
[16:16] <FloatingGoat> because it takes a lot of trial and error for me
[16:16] <holstein> the sound card doesnt matter
[16:16] <holstein> the preamps dont matter
[16:16] <holstein> for all intents and purposes, that music sounds as good as its ever going to sound, assuming you render it properly
[16:16] <holstein> the vocals can get cleaner
[16:17] <holstein> FloatingGoat: you dont think you could what?
[16:17] <holstein> go in the studio?
[16:17] <holstein> you just pay them and go... its a service, like buying a sandwich
[16:17] <FloatingGoat> no i mean
[16:18] <FloatingGoat> its hard for me to get a good recordin
[16:18] <holstein> yeah
[16:18] <holstein> thats why folks pay and get paid for this stuff
[16:18] <holstein> its not easy
[16:18] <holstein> sounds good though
[16:19] <holstein> i say, save some money, and buy some smart versitile gear at a good value
[16:19] <holstein> that mic is a good start
[16:19] <FloatingGoat> thats why i i think it would be better to get my own mic
[16:19] <holstein> FloatingGoat: i have my own mic
[16:19] <FloatingGoat> and like spend all day recording
[16:19] <FloatingGoat> one song
[16:19] <holstein> do what you want.. im just throwing out suggestions
[16:19] <holstein> all the options
[16:19] <holstein> anyways.. gotta run!.. enjoy!
[16:19] <holstein> nice tracks!
[16:20] <FloatingGoat> later bro and thanks
[16:20] <FloatingGoat> lol D:
[16:20] <FloatingGoat> :D*
[17:05] <thebishop> does anyone have a Korg Padkontrol?  What software do you use with it?
[17:45] <Len-nb> thebishop, i do not have one, but it seems to me it is a type of midi controller? Is that correct?
[18:11] <MaynardWaters> whats that other channel, #opensourcemuscians?
[18:12] <MaynardWaters> missing an i, silly
[18:52] <qarma> alguien ofrece ayuda en español? porfavor


[12:27] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb, call in 3
[12:28] <danilos> ack
[12:28] <bac> ok
[12:29] <gmb> ack
[12:44] <benji> gary_poster: what is the right disposition for this keyring card?
[12:46] <gary_poster> benji, um...needs info is good.  that's what you said.
[12:46] <benji> and just leave it where it is?
[12:51] <gary_poster> benji, oh on the kanban board...how about "move the bug number from the magic bug field to the title, and move it to Archive/Rubbish"?
[12:51] <benji> sounds good
[12:52] <gary_poster> cool
[12:56] <gary_poster> hey benji, can you tell me whether you see messages from me in #launchpad-dev, to jelmer?
[12:57] <benji> gary_poster: at 08:50 there's one where you mention his name
[12:57] <gary_poster> benji, cool, thanks
[13:00] <danilos> gary_poster, sqltrace is very nice, we need some of this in the OOPSes as well :)
[13:02]  * gary_poster appears to be having connection probs
[13:25] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb, especially gmb because of your interest, anyone fancy updating ec2 test to have a new launchpad-dependencies deb?  It's pretty easy, even with docs IIRC, and I'm happy to help.  If not, I'll do it.
[13:26] <gmb> gary_poster: If it needs doing today, then I'll have to pass
[13:26] <bac> gary_poster: i'd like to do it
[13:26] <gary_poster> bac, ok great.  looking for instructions
[13:26] <benji> if no one else is interested, I'll... I guess that was a hot property :)
[13:27] <gary_poster> lol
[13:27] <gary_poster> bac, https://dev.launchpad.net/EC2Test/Image
[13:46] <danilos> gary_poster, btw, would you be able to give me any hint for the following: https://pastebin.canonical.com/51923/?
[13:46] <gary_poster> danilos, looking
[13:47] <danilos> gary_poster, (other than uninstall system setuptools and ClientCookie :))
[13:49] <gary_poster> danilos, yes.  short answer, I think that you'll find your ClientCookie egg_info is obviously broken when you look at it.  You might also find that it was supposed to have been ininstalled, but maybe not.  Remove the egg_info manually, and then reinstall ClientCookie if desired.
[13:49] <gary_poster> long answer, there's a bug somewhere I filed...looking
[13:50] <gary_poster> bug 834698 danilos
[13:50] <_mup_> Bug #834698: setuptools.egg-info can end up as a directory when it is meant to be a symlink <python-setuptools (Ubuntu):New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/834698 >
[13:50] <gary_poster> This is the ClientCookie version of the same problem
[13:50] <gary_poster> danilos, thank you for answering user story dude btw
[13:51] <danilos> gary_poster, oh, I have both setuptools (in the middle of the traceback, needs scrolling to the right) and ClientCookie messed up, weird
[13:53] <gary_poster> sadly not that weird.
[13:53] <gary_poster> Or at least not that unusual
[13:55] <danilos> gary_poster, but why did it happen all of a sudden?
[13:56] <bac> gary_poster: in VALID_AMI_OWNERS is the name just any identifier?  i expected it would be launchpad id but it clearly isn't.
[13:57] <gary_poster> danilos, I suspect that the problem has been there for a long time.  Chameleon exposes it.  Chameleon compiles templates to Python bytecode, so it wants to verify that its code it caches is up-to-date with your packages, so it wants to get the versions of all your installed packages to make a hash.  Kinda grody, but not unreasonable AFAICT.
[13:57] <gary_poster> bac, your ec2 account #, I believe
[13:57] <danilos> gary_poster, ah, fair point then, thanks for explaining it all for me
[13:57] <gary_poster> welcome
[13:58] <bac> gary_poster: yes, the key is the AWS account number.  the value just seems to be a random name/nickname
[13:59] <gary_poster> bac, oh!  lemme look
[13:59] <bac> perhaps only used in logging?
[14:00] <danilos> the best part is, clientcookie is not packaged in ubuntu since lucid it seems
[14:01] <gary_poster> heh
[14:01] <gary_poster> bac, it looks there is a new "images" command that uses the mapping.  I think it used to be a tuple before.  It's just for reporting to humans, AFAICT
[14:02] <gary_poster> bac, lib/devscripts/ec2test/builtins.py is where I see it
[14:02] <gary_poster> bac, so I'd use "bac"
[14:06] <bac> gary_poster: i planned to use 'bac', which clearly works for me as i'm mononicked, but thought i would document it.
[14:06] <gary_poster> bac, +1
[14:07] <gary_poster> bac, do you feel comfortable with the answers I gave you, or would you like me dig more into something?
[14:07] <bac> gary_poster: no that's fine.  i was just double checking
[14:08] <gary_poster> cool bac.  thanks for pursuing that.
[14:24] <bac> gary_poster: when running bin/ec2 update-image what do you use for the base image?  is it the ami identifier of the last one created?
[14:25] <gary_poster> bac, mm, good question.  I think we use the base Lucid image provided by Canonical.  Looking around...
[14:26] <gary_poster> bac, yeah, that's what it says on the wiki page I gave you--it even gives you the number to use and where to verify it
[14:50]  * gmb -> collecting car from the garage. Will be back in ~30mins, £250 shorter. Ugh.
[15:04] <bac> gary_poster: based on http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/ it looks like the image listed in the wiki page is old by several releases (2010-10-20 vs 2011-07-19).  unfortunately i can't find an official page like http://aws.amazon.com/amis/4348 that describes it.  i'm forging ahead with the newer ami as the base.
[15:05] <gary_poster> ok bac
[16:01] <benji> gary_poster: I'm checking out.  I'll see y'all tomorrow.
[16:01] <gary_poster> bye benji
[16:19] <bac> gary_poster: so the new image is made and installed
[16:19] <bac> it is now just automatically picked up via the new rev number?
[16:20] <gary_poster> great bac!  So now you need to land the branch with your blessing, and then people can use it
[16:20] <gary_poster> bac, then maybe shoot an email to the list ccing stub letting folks know
[16:20] <bac> gary_poster: no testing?  just wait for a big boom
[16:20] <gary_poster> bac, heh, no, testing probably a good idea :-)
[16:21] <bac> gary_poster: so, just do a run of ec2 test on devel?  should i have done that before landing the branch that updates VALID_AMI_OWNERS?
[16:24] <bac> ah, i see how it finds images
[16:24] <gary_poster> bac, do a run: yes.  If it starts and tests are running it's probably fine
[16:25] <bac> if you're already listed in VALID_AMI_OWNERS there is no way to test the image before subjecting it to the team
[16:26] <gary_poster> bac, there is
[16:26] <gary_poster> do not make the image public
[16:26] <bac> oh, right
[16:26] <bac> perhaps i'll update the wiki to mention that...
[16:53] <gary_poster> danilos, I think I need to ask you a question.  If you are about to leave, gimme 5 if you can. One sec, getting details. :-)
[16:54] <gary_poster> danilos, heh, yeah
[16:54] <gary_poster> So, I just had to qa-bad my revision
[16:54] <gary_poster> that used your new getMergeProposals
[16:55] <gary_poster> the problem was that it worked great if I passed for_branches=[something]
[16:55] <gary_poster> but if for_branches=[]...
[16:55] <gary_poster> you can guess what happened :-P
[16:55] <gary_poster> So, obviously, I can change my call to not call getMergeProposals if I have no branches
[16:56] <gary_poster> but it struck me that it might be nice if getMergeProposals treated None differently than an empty iterable
[17:08] <gary_poster> So that an empty iterable would return an empty value
[17:09]  * bac -> food
[17:16] <gary_poster> gary_poster <- food
[19:52] <gary_poster> danilos, if you come back and look at this, I did change getMergeProposals as I described above: https://code.launchpad.net/~gary/launchpad/bug724025/+merge/73432
[20:32] <bac> hey gary_poster, my ec2 test of the new image is failing.  :(
[20:32] <bac> it is a twisted timeout test
[20:33] <bac> i should be able to use the AWS web interface to change the image back to private and then try again
[20:35] <gary_poster> on call bac, make sure that it is not spurious and/or does not fail on current image
[20:36] <bac> gary_poster: retesting just that test on new image
[20:36] <bac> original run is not finished yet so i don't know the full set of failures
[21:21] <bac> the test seems to be spurious on ec2.  leaving new image in place.
[21:21] <gary_poster> good, bac


[08:07] <Tarek_Guitoun__> tarek
[10:01] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:37] <Aleksejs> hi, where should I post reports about problems with 16.04? There are dozens of them
[10:37] <soee> Aleksejs: are they related to packaging or upstream bugs ?
[10:37] <Aleksejs> soee: mostly to kde itself
[10:38] <soee> than bugs.kde.org
[10:38] <soee> but first check if they ar enot reported already
[11:06] <mateusz_> hi
[11:13] <yossarianuk> hi - hi - just seen libreoffice 5.2 is out - where do you get the snap packages?
[11:14] <soee> ask on #ubuntu ;)
[11:14] <soee> LO is packaged by ubuntu
[11:26] <yossarianuk> soee: ok - cheers
[11:27] <yossarianuk> ive not actually used snap packages yet - just interested.
[16:29] <fil1n> Hello everybody!
[16:31] <soee> hiho
[16:34] <ahoneybun> soee: well #snappy would be better
[16:34] <ahoneybun> for snaps
[16:35] <ahoneybun> there is no LO snap in the store yet
[16:36] <ahoneybun> opps
[16:36] <ahoneybun> https://www.libreoffice.org/download/snap/
[16:36] <ahoneybun> it's in beta
[18:04] <Ab3L> hi, does someone of you have upgraded to kubuntu 16.04 from 14.04 through muon update manager?
[18:04] <Ab3L> i got a problem with systemd and plymouth
[18:06] <Ab3L> i mean, i was not able to login when i choose to start kubuntu with systemd (i think it is the standard way). the process got stuck at start of plymouth animation (solar).
[18:07] <Ab3L> when i started kubuntu through upstart, i could login only in command line interface (ex. tty1), but got stuck always at the beginning of the animation of plymouth.
[18:08] <Ab3L> i don't know if the problem is systemd, plymouth, both or none.
[18:09] <Ab3L> i found a solution in internet for a similar problem and it consists to reinstall kubuntu without formatting from an image, but that way is not really the most pedagogic one.
[18:10] <Ab3L> any idea to know where to look to have any hint?
[18:11] <Ab3L> (there are tons of logs, but how to know which one is to read).
[18:17] <BluesKaj> Ab3L,  due to all the changes to plasma and kde workspaces plus the adoption of systemd, upgrading smoothly from 14.04 to 16.04 is not always successful via the net upgrade.. 16.04 is still quite buggy despite the point release finally being official
[18:19] <Ab3L> BluesKaj: are you yet in a Kubuntu 16.04 or still a previous version?
[18:21] <Ab3L> BluesKaj: so do you mind it is better to make a fresh install of 16.04 than an net upgrade?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> Ab3L,  I reverted to 14.04 due to 16.04 being almost unusable on my pc. 161.0 runs better than 16.04 here
[18:23] <BluesKaj> 16.10
[18:24] <Ab3L> BluesKaj: until when 14.04 will be supported?
[18:28] <Ab3L> i found it. 2019.
[18:29] <Ab3L> BluesKaj: thank you for your answer.
[19:18] <samueledb> xdcc send *
[19:18] <samueledb> ciao a tutti
[19:21] <BluesKaj> !warez | samueledb
[19:22] <BluesKaj> !it | samueledb
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[20:49] <asdf0> hey ;) i have a giant folder structure on my hands with lots and lots of sub-folders and files in them. i want to set the file permissions to read/write for everything in there but at the same time it needs to be read/write/execute for the folders so that i can open them (right?)
[20:49] <asdf0> when setting the permissions with chmod in the command line i can set them for everything, but how do i tell it to set executable only for folders and not for files?
[20:50] <asdf0> (without having to call it for every single folder separately)
[20:58] <Dragnslcr> asdf0- use X in the permission
[21:00] <asdf0> ah, capital X, awesome, thanks ;)
[21:35] <iffraff1> Anupkumar: here for starters https://github.com/erikras/redux-form/issues/1249
[21:35] <iffraff1> shit! I wrote that like 5 hours ago!
[21:36] <iffraff1> forgot to hit enter
[21:45] <valorie> !language | iffraff1


[00:37] <nullh> Good day everyone. Is anyone alive around here?
[00:44] <Randy_O> I'm trying to run a QML app on my nexus 4 and I've been getting this error "/usr/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/scripts/qtc_device_run_app finished with code 255" This has worked before, suddenly stopped, any ideas?
[00:45] <Randy_O> also ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[02:25] <Randy_O> any Ubuntu phone SDK folks around? I'm getting an error now when trying to run an app on a Nexus 4 from the SDK: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[02:31] <Umeaboy> Randy_O: Tried using duckduckgo.com to find out why it closed the connection?
[02:32] <Umeaboy> It was mentioned about here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/10/15/%23ubuntu-touch.html
[02:33] <Umeaboy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1011934
[02:33] <Umeaboy> That might help you. :)
[02:33] <Randy_O> Umeaboy, that's great, thanks.
[02:33] <Umeaboy> You're welcome. ;)
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> Great work on the new ubuntu-touch guys!! im really happy with it on my nexus7
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> i also had to set android back on first
[03:38] <rww> What did you have on it before?
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> because i tested an older tutorial
[03:38] <rww> ah
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> well weeks ago i tested the dev version
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> with the FOSS tut
[03:38] <rww> I tried putting Cyanogenmod on there a day or so before I put UT on and it didn't work, so *shrug*
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> lemme show you
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> whats that for?
[03:39] <rww> anyways, works now that I did Android and then UT, so whatevs
[03:39] <rww> lotuspsychje: Cyanogenmod? it's another ROM for android stuff
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> ah ok
[03:39] <crazybear> Help!? I tried to upgrade from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 on a three monitor system - only one monitor had ANYTHING and NOT any of the controls or panels, so was unable to do ANYTHING.
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> this is the guide i followed weeks ago: http://itsfoss.com/install-ubuntu-touch-nexus-7-2013/
[03:40] <rww> crazybear: sounds like a problem with desktop, not touch?
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> but yesterday someone helped me with the channel=trusty --bootstrap line
[03:40] <crazybear> I don't have a touch anything - is this a dedicated touch room?
[03:41] <rww> crazybear: yep, this is #ubuntu-touch. Try /join #ubuntu
[03:41] <rww> :)
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> crazybear: and try a clean install by the way, not upgrade
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> rww: so the overal system doesnt turn yet on my n7
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> rww: but browser and most apps do
[03:42] <rww> yep
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> at least im not vunrable with android anymore :p
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> scary days lol
[03:43] <rww> unfortunately there's no way to lock it in place so it won't rotate (I lie down and web browse a lot), but baby steps :D
[03:43] <rww> (or maybe there is and I didn't find it yet_)
[03:43] <rww> anyways. overall very pleased with it
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> me too
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> overall speed is great
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> did you unlock with phablet, to install terminal packages?
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> the guy showed me a trick for that
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> so i could install nmap and such
[03:44] <rww> nope, but I know how to :)
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> phablet-config writable-image
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> kk cool :p
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> rww: did you test pdf yet?
[03:45] <rww> nope
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> me neither
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> got a load of magazines to try
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> best app i found on android was foxitreader
[03:59] <nullh> I just got ubuntu dual booting on my nexus 7 and have been playing with it for a few hours... I can't seem to change the home screen background, is this known to be an issue, or perhaps I'm an idiot?
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> nullh: did you try import wallpapers first or existing photo?
[04:01] <nullh> Well, I tried it with a photo. As it stands, the background is white with a couple of designer angles in gray
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> did not test myself yet
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> ill try later :p
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> nullh: you have the dev or the trusty install?
[04:02] <nullh> The lock screen background is the standard ubuntu purple, and the switch to make lock and home screen the same is set, so I'm not sure
[04:02] <nullh> trusty
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> ok
[04:02] <nullh> Otherwise, overall it seems to be pretty cool :) A little bit of a work in progress, but I fully expected that lol
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> im really happy too
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> it can only get better now
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> at least were not stuck to unsafe android anymore :p
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> did you find the bookmark trick on webbrowser?
[04:04] <nullh> lol, everything has security vulnerabilities *coughcoughheartbleed* but yeah, it will be nice to be in control :D
[04:04] <nullh> I have not actually, what is this trick you speak of?
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> if you open lets say google
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> in 'activity' it will show your current open url
[04:04] <nullh> Yup
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> under that icon there's a little bookmark star
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> tick to set as bookmark
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> to star yellow
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> so next time you open browser activity you can open all your fav pages from bookmarks
[04:05] <nullh> I don't see that, but what I do see is, after hitting activities, there's a bookmark "tab" (is that what they're called?) at the top
[04:05] <nullh> and I can bookmark from there
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> it works on your current open pages
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> not history pages
[04:06] <nullh> Oh! I see what you mean now, that's neat
[04:06] <nullh> I was just blind >.<
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> :p
[04:07] <nullh> Plus, it didn't occur to me that those were tabs lol
[04:07] <nullh> Despite the clear label
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> didnt find myself howto set google as startpage oO
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> no webbrowsing settings neither
[04:08] <nullh> I think that may be a case of over-nerfing
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:08] <nullh> Yeah, if it's there, I can't find it either lol
[04:09] <nullh> Do you also find that, in landscape mode, the status bar remains on the short side?
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> yes indeed
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> unhandy
[04:10] <nullh> Agreed. I don't assume that's intentional though lol
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> i think the devs will be wild on this new touch
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> it can only get better
[04:11] <nullh> I'm excited to see what comes of it
[04:11] <nullh> Especially since I just found out not too long ago that Mozilla is going to throw their hat into the mobile market as well
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> nullh: did you unlock phablet-config trick to install terminal stuff?
[04:12] <nullh> Considering I have no clue what you're talking about, I'm gonna say no :P
[04:12] <nullh> But I do have a terminal app
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> well i wanted to install nmap
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> but the device is locked to install stuff
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> so you need an unlock
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> with this line:µ
[04:13] <nullh> Once I do that, can I install any ubuntu arm package?
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> phablet-config writable-image
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> after that device will reboot
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> and you can install any package you want
[04:13] <nullh> Can i do that on my tablet? I don't actually run ubuntu on my desktop, I'm one of those eats-school-glue Arch guys
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> no its just to install packages from terminal
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> like sudo apt-get install nmap
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> from your n7
[04:14] <nullh> Right, but can i do that phablet-config command from the tablet?
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> or whatever package you like
[04:15] <nullh> cnf D:
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> oh right its from desktop yes
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> usb cable to computer right
[04:15] <nullh> darn, okay now I have to figure out how to get the phablet-config program on my desktop lol
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> just paste that lin eon desktop terminal
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> and it will suggest you package you need
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> think its phablet-tools
[04:16] <nullh> I don't run Ubuntu on my desktop though lol
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> ahhh
[04:16] <nullh> I found it, there's a user-submitted phablet-tools package
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> yep
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> thats the one
[04:18] <syeekick> hey
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> syeekick: hello mate
[04:18] <nullh> g'day
[04:18] <nullh> or night, as it were
[04:18] <syeekick> morning
[04:18] <syeekick> :-)
[04:19] <syeekick> anyone know if the lenovo a850 would work with ubuntu touch?
[04:20] <nullh> Holy crap, Lenovo makes phones?
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> syeekick: the devices supported are in topic mate
[04:20] <bact> nullh: psssst... lenovo just bought motorola off google
[04:20] <syeekick> also does anyone know if the ubuntu phones wifi chip will support promiscuous mode and packet injection
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> syeekick: i think wireshark can run just fine on it
[04:21] <nullh> bact, I did not know that. Makes sense now though haha
[04:21] <syeekick> aircrack?
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> syeekick: i dont see why not
[04:22] <nullh> Assuming the hardware supports these functions
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> syeekick: from terminal you can do whatever you like
[04:23] <syeekick> hardware dependent. there is only a few wireless chipsets that support packet injection and promiscuous mode (mon0 etc). i'll assume it can do soft ap as most androids can
[04:23] <syeekick> few chipsets yet many devices ^
[04:25] <nullh> well, I have theoretically unlocked all the packages on my nexus 7 2013 that dual boots trusty, thanks to lotuspsychje
[04:25] <nullh> So I suppose I can try real quick
[04:26] <syeekick> nullh, you got aircrack-ng installed?
[04:26] <nullh> Not yet, but hopefully soon
[04:27] <nullh> I'm pulling down wireshark now, I will pit in the aircrack suite next and see if I can airmon the wifi card
[04:28] <nullh> *put
[04:28] <syeekick> thanks buddy
[04:28] <syeekick> in wait and heres hoping
[04:28] <syeekick> nullh, would you of installed it any way?
[04:28] <nullh> well, there's a package so we're off to a good start :P
[04:29] <nullh> syeekick, eventually probably, just to toy with it. I don't do as much pen testing stuff as I would like to lol
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> there are so many pentesting tools out there
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> was scary days on my n7 with android
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> just to look at google play store was so scary
[04:34] <syeekick> so many powerful tools too
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> malicious apps just wait for users to click
[04:35] <nullh> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B26edscSY9FsMGFuX09VZFJJUUE/edit?usp=sharing
[04:35] <nullh> Doesn't look like it worked to me
[04:35] <nullh> running iwoncig after doesn't show a new mon0 device either
[04:36] <nullh> *iwconfig, man my typing is awful tonight
[04:36] <syeekick> seems to be al correct syntax
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> nullh: maybe the wifi doesnt name wlan on touch?
[04:36] <syeekick> sad face
[04:36] <syeekick> it does you can see at the top
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> oh ok
[04:37] <syeekick> ifconfig  -a
[04:37] <nullh> Yeah, definitely not there
[04:37] <syeekick> but what you say holds some weight as it sasy "error getting interface flags: no such device"
[04:38] <nullh> BTW, does there happen to be a screenshot capability in ubuntu tablet so I don't look like a moron posting pictures of screens? lol
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> didnt find yet :p
[04:38] <nullh> Okay, so now I don't feel so bad
[04:38] <syeekick> thanks nullh
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> haha
[04:38] <nullh> Anyway, iwconfig returns only two options with wireless extensions, wlan0 and p2p0
[04:39] <nullh> and my guess is that it's not p2p0 :P especially wince wlan0 shows my SSID
[04:39] <syeekick> hehe
[04:39] <syeekick> appreciate your help nullh
[04:39] <nullh> no problemo, it would have been cool if it did work haha... Now we just need someone with a 4, a 10, and a 2012 7 to try it :P
[04:40] <nullh> Although the wifi hardware probably didn't change between 7 revisions
[04:40] <syeekick> true!
[04:40] <syeekick> is it any good? be honest
[04:40] <nullh> I'm on verizon or I would definitely have a 4 as well
[04:40] <nullh> Ubuntu Tablet?
[04:40] <syeekick> aye
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> i also run the new ubuntu touch on nexus7 2013 wifi
[04:41] <nullh> As long as you accept that it's not completed, yeah it's pretty neat. I've only had it for about five hours though lol so I am probably not the best advocate/detractor
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> there's still work on it, but it improved alot
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> i saw a video somewhere holdon syeekick
[04:42] <nullh> I've had it crash and require a reboot once, and the controls are a little odd at first. But once you get used to the controls, they're actually kinda awesome
[04:43] <nullh> Not a lot of eye-candy and not a lot of simple pleasures (like buttons giving visual feedback while you're pressing them)
[04:43] <nullh> And a little lacking in the app department, but I can't judge on that until it's officially released
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcRoNPzIbzQ
[04:44] <nullh> If you're hesitant, do what I did- I dual boot my n7 with android and ubuntu
[04:44] <nullh> That way, if you decide you hate it, android is one reboot away
[04:49] <syeekick> nice
[04:51] <frecel> I'm trying to install openssh-server on my nexus4 and I keep getting this:
[04:51] <frecel> W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[04:51] <frecel> E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/
[04:51] <frecel> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[04:51] <frecel> any help?
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> frecel:you need to unlock your device
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> frecel: put a cable from ubuntu desktop to your n4
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> frecel: and paste this from your desktop terminal: phablet-config writable-image
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> frecel: you might need to install phablet-tools before
[04:54] <frecel>  ok, thanks
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> frecel: after your n4 reboots, your device will be writeable
[04:58] <nullh> I wish the TV dinner people would just sell standalone microwave brownies, that would be delicious
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:04] <frecel> lotuspsychje: it worked, thanks
[05:04] <frecel> nullh: apparently there is several ways to make brownies in a microwave
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> frecel: np just learned it yesterday aswell
[05:08] <nullh> frecel, actually I had never thought about just taking brownie mix and making it in the microwave... I feel the need to prepare some brownie cups now to have on-demand fresh brownies
[05:09] <frecel> nullh: someone told me recently that there is a really easy way to make brownies out of nutella, I wonder if that recipie would work in a micowave
[05:11] <nullh> Nutella brownies? Sounds like it's time to stop tablet experimentation, and partake in some culinary experimentation
[06:06] <bact> frecel: there's a way to make a brownie in a mug, in a microwave, but it turns out really badly
[06:14] <phablet> test from irrsi on terminal ubuntu touch
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> the live RSS app is really great on ubuntu-touch
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> can add rss feeds with handy search function
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> and open the websites link
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> real sweet
[11:23] <bact> lotuspsychje: does it import opml?
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> bact: i dont think so, its rather a simple online feed search
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> bact: but did not try the opml
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> bact: how about you try to search the website that uses the opml?
[11:24] <bact> the website?
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> or where do you need the import from
[11:26] <bact> If I follow hundreds of websites on my rss feed reader I'm not going to want to import them manually when opml is available
[11:26] <bact> it's a dealbreaker
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> i hear you
[11:26] <bact> its only a simple xml format with a list of subscriptions
[13:15] <arubislander> Hi all!
[13:16] <arubislander> Happy day-after easter.
[13:18] <arubislander> I know that the Nexus 7 (grouper) is  no longer officially supported, but images were still available to download with multiboot.
[13:18] <arubislander> My question is: has anyone else tried the latest release and actually got it to work?
[13:19] <arubislander> Mine freezes, but the fix of deleting the file /home/phablet/.display-mir no longer works because the file is not there to begin with.
[13:20] <arubislander> So I was wondering what else could be done to fix the freezing issue.
[13:20] <Elleo> arubislander: as far as I'm aware the .display-mir file triggered whether or not to use Mir (versus surfaceflinger)
[13:20] <Elleo> arubislander: but all new images just provide Mir
[13:20] <Elleo> so there's no option to use SurfaceFlinger any more
[13:21] <Elleo> so I would suspect you're out of luck, but I don't really know any details about the old nexus 7s
[13:22] <arubislander> OK, I guess so too. Funny thing is that it works sometimes... but eventually freezes...
[13:31] <arubislander> Thanks anyhow. I'll reboot a couple of times and see what is what :)
[14:26] <cwayne> mandel, hi -- i saw this online and was wondering if it can be used to actually login with an online-account to make oauth signed calls fro golang? http://www.themacaque.com/?p=1133
[14:28] <mandel> cwayne, I would nto use it, that is very old and is accessing the glib library directly.. which is not a good idea because it leaks the glib memory management
[14:28] <dobey> i'd expect using signon-qt/accounts-qt would be the thing to do on the phone, from golang
[14:29] <dobey> until a go-specific lib is available for signon and accounts libs
[14:29] <mandel> cwayne, dobey exactly, and I think the best would be to have a golang specific version
[14:30] <cwayne> yeah, i suppose i'd have to wait until someone gets a golang specific version up
[14:30] <mandel> cwayne, what do you want to do? I'm sure is not a lot of work :)
[14:30] <mandel> dobey, is there a dbus api for online accounts I can take a look at?
[14:31] <sergiusens> yeah, if it's dbus we are golden
[14:31] <sergiusens> :-)
[14:31] <cwayne> mandel, i wanted to use an account-plugin in a scope written in golang
[14:32] <mandel> cwayne, if we have a dbus one I'm sure we can get something quick ready for you and sergiusens can complain about by go :)
[14:35] <sergiusens> cwayne: all of this oauth mess is what puts me off from doing anything from an app perspective (and you can see app devs have that issue as they wrap logins to javascript call backs)
[14:37] <cwayne> sergiusens, oauth isnt super fun, but it's not too bad from within js
[14:37] <Elleo> mandel: what apparmor permissions are required to use download manager? I thought it was just networking, but I have that set and am still getting denied
[14:38] <mandel> Elleo, oh, very good question, let me find that for you
[14:39] <Elleo> thanks :)
[14:41] <mandel> Elleo, as per this https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/trusty-proposed is networking
[14:41] <mandel> Elleo, can you show me the error you are getting?
[14:41] <Elleo> sure, just a sec
[14:42] <cwayne> mardy, ping
[14:42] <mandel> Elleo, yep, in lp:ubuntu/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu I can see it in ./data/policygroups/ubuntu/1.1/networking
[14:42] <Elleo> mandel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7299686/
[14:42] <dobey> mandel, cwayne, sergiusens: you can use dbus yeah, but it's more masochistic than using signon-qt/accounts-qt from golang, i suspect
[14:43] <Elleo> I'm doing other network stuff within the app successfully (populating an XmlListModel), so the networking permission is working for simpler stuff
[14:44] <dobey> sergiusens: the main problem with online accounts, is that there's very little incentive for app developers to actually use it
[14:44] <dobey> cwayne: i'm guessing mardy is on nat'l holiday today
[14:47] <cwayne> mandel, signond-dev seems to have some dbus interfaces that seem relevant
[14:48] <sergiusens> dobey: that and it's hard to add new ones
[14:49] <dobey> sergiusens: it's not terribly hard to add new ones for real oauth-based services (well, somewhat harder on the phone); but the click package model lends itself to having lots of apps shipping the same plug-in for a service
[14:50] <dobey> also, online-accounts only handles authentication and storage of the token/password. every app still has to do all the work to talk to the service in question, so it's often easier to just do authentication as well as the rest of the API calls
[14:51] <cwayne> but that wouldn't really work for a scope
[14:51] <dobey> it could
[14:51] <sergiusens> dobey: yeah, I meant hard on the phone; I also only found an askubuntu reply for oauth1, being oauth clueless it is hard with no introductory documentation
[14:52] <cwayne> we definitely need better documentation for using account-plugins in SDK apps
[14:52] <dobey> cwayne: really, the only thing preventing a scope from doing the auth itself, is lack of UI widgets in the dash for doing it
[14:53] <cwayne> yeah, but that's a real blocker
[14:54] <dobey> cwayne: it also means most people writing scopes are just going to end up writing scopes that don't require authentication
[14:54] <dobey> because the alternative is too complex/difficult
[14:54] <cwayne> unless we can help shape this into a better story for app devs now
[14:55] <dobey> i don't see how. clicks can't have dependencies
[14:55] <dobey> so providing a package that is just the plug-in to online-accounts for a service, that apps can require, is basically not possible
[15:01] <cwayne> that's something we'll definitely have to figure out, but regardless, having support for account-plugins for scopes is still something that we'd want to support
[15:01] <dobey> scopes can use account plug-ins already
[15:01] <stork91> I was asked to come here in regards to editing themes
[15:01] <stork91> ... which is kinda weird
[15:01] <dobey> ie, the click scope does it
[15:02] <cwayne> i mean from go
[15:02] <dobey> stork91: yes, i think this is not the right place for that
[15:02] <stork91> anyone happen to know where I would go to get some information about how to edit colors now that the update has changed things?
[15:03] <dobey> cwayne: yeah, and javascript too. go at least has a reasonable solution. not sure if the JS scopes can use QML too or not, though
[15:03] <dobey> stork91: you can't change the theme on the phone if that's what you're asking
[15:03] <cwayne> not sure, but there's not really a reasonable solution for go quite yet
[15:03] <dobey> cwayne: using signon-qt/accounts-qt from go will work
[15:04] <stork91> BTW, whoever was in charge of designing the onboard keyboard, You need to be put in charge of editing Ubuntu themes.
[15:04] <dobey> cwayne: it's not the absolute best that can be done, but i think it is somewhat reasonable
[15:04] <stork91> Im on a desktop
[15:04] <cwayne> dobey, there's no documentation/scopes that do that yet though
[15:04] <dobey> stork91: you need to go to #ubuntu for help about using ubuntu, then
[15:04] <cwayne> so as of now that's pretty theoretical imho
[15:04] <stork91> was there...
[15:05] <dobey> cwayne: ubuntu-push-client sort of does i think (not a scope, but it is in go)
[15:05] <stork91> anyhow... pass that info on to whoever did that.
[15:05] <dobey> whatever
[15:07] <dobey> cwayne: it only cares about the u1 account, and we have a library for getting the u1 account, but that lib is also written as a qt api
[15:08] <dobey> cwayne: and niemeyer has been doing a lot of work to make qt usable from go
[15:08] <daker> anyone know how can i get the sim cad to work ?
[15:08] <genii_> Will the Meizu MX3 and BQ Aquarius be added at some point to the main Touch site as officially supported, or will the manufacturers be resonsible in this case ?
[15:10] <dobey> genii_: the devices will get custom OEM images when they are released, afaik. and nobody has the specific hardware that will come in those phones at the moment, so i don't know when they will be supported by official builds.
[15:10] <dobey> daker: in a nexus 4?
[15:10] <daker> dobey: yes
[15:10] <genii> dobey: OK, thanks.
[15:10] <dobey> daker: it should just work.
[15:11] <HoloIRCUser> Does anyone know if someone is working on galaxy s5?
[15:11] <daker> dobey: cellulare/data checkboxs are disabled after a few seconds
[15:11] <daker> and the carriers list is empty
[15:12] <bact> HoloIRCUser: Personally I find xda, of all things, to be a good resource for info like that, chances are that if it exists then its been posted there
[15:13] <HoloIRCUser> Ah then if someone is working on it they have not posted it. It's just a week old device anyway so :)
[15:13] <dobey> daker: ok. i don't have a n4, but i know plenty of people are using it daily as an actual phone with ubuntu on it. so afaik, it should just work if you have an active registered SIM
[15:13] <sergiusens> I use it as my daily phone (and only phone)
[15:13] <bact> sergiusens: how unfortunate
[15:14] <bact> I could only bring myself to dualboot ubuntu touch on my nexus 4
[15:14] <sergiusens> why? I like it
[15:14] <bact> its okay, but it doesn't give me what I expect out of a smartphone.. yet
[15:14] <frecel___> good morning
[15:15] <dobey> bact: it might not fulfill all your needs yet, but that doesn't mean you should be rude to say that it is unfortunate sergiusens is using it as such, because he finds it enough to meet his needs
[15:16] <sergiusens> bact: all I miss is navigation and even with android I gave up on assisted navigation and just drove locally and in foreign places
[15:16] <bact> dobey: lighten up, it was a joke
[15:16] <frecel> Is there a way to remove a trusted wi-fi network so my phone doesn't connect to it automatically?
[15:17] <sergiusens> frecel: no UI way yet :/ You can delete the conf file manually from /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[15:17] <frecel> sergiusens: thanks
[15:18] <dobey> bact: joke or not, it was a bit rude, and such comments may dissuade interest from others who want to try ubuntu on their phones, when they read such comments
[15:20] <dobey> i wouldn't mind trying to use it daily as my actual phone, but the hardware i want isn't officially supported yet, and isn't available in a reasonable size for a phone
[15:21] <bact> dobey: ubuntu touch isn't very responsive in contrast to android
[15:22] <dobey> bact: ubuntu touch hasn't been around ever long in contrast to android
[15:22] <bact> true
[15:34] <dobey> ubuntu is also developed in the open, in contrast to much of android, which was a big code drop for the open bits when they had it working pretty well already at first, and there are still many proprietary bits to it
[16:12] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, the terminal that is included in ubuntu touch... that is legit, right?
[16:13] <Aki-Thinkpad> from what I understand, androids terminal wasn't really authentic
[16:14] <Aki-Thinkpad> however I am not exactly sure what that means...
[16:15] <dobey> yeah i have no idea what you mean
[16:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, a) can't run root, b) can't run most applications built for linux
[16:16] <dobey> Aki-Thinkpad: terminal on the phone is nominally useless, really
[16:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> actually I think I got confused when I first read about it
[16:17] <Aki-Thinkpad> calling it a terminal emulator, I mistaked that for being similar to a snes emulator;
[16:17] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, do you think that could change with ubuntu phone though?
[16:18] <dobey> and i don't think it's going to be something included by default on real devices.
[16:18] <Aki-Thinkpad> yah, I wonder...
[16:19] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey,  but ubuntu did put a lot of work into their terminal; I do not think android developers ever bothered making one, although I could be mistaken
[16:19] <dobey> Aki-Thinkpad: no. apps are confined on ubuntu phone. have an unconfined terminal app is not supportive of that design
[16:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, then what was the purpose of ubuntu making that terminal?
[16:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> also there is the question of convergence
[16:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> if I want to run my desktop off my phone; you would think they would give me access to the terminal, no?
[16:21] <Aki-Thinkpad> hmmmm question for jono I suppose next q&a
[16:21] <dobey> not necessarily
[16:21] <dobey> but then, the full convergence story is not answered yet
[16:22] <dobey> come back in 2 years :)
[16:22] <dobey> anyway, must get food…
[17:41] <ramj> Hey, curious here! I want to buy a tablet and install Ubuntu Touch at some point in the future. I'd like it to support full desktop convergence in the future. I was looking at Samsung Nexus 10, but it has 'only' dual core and 2GB ram. On Wikipedia it sais Full Desktop Convergence requires Quad Core and 4GB ram.
[17:42] <ramj> What kind of tablet available now is not crazy expensive (and by crazy I mean those octocore TabPro's (that aren't even on the supported list (yet))) and supports this already?
[17:42] <dobey> ramj: full convergence doesn't exist; wikipedia is wrong
[17:43] <ramj> aww snap. I saw that feature explained in some demonstation video and I thought: I WANT THAT! NOW!
[17:43] <dobey> it was only a demo
[17:44] <ramj> I know, but it makes sense a demo is based on an actual developer work in progress image, right?
[17:44] <dobey> not always, no
[17:46] <ramj> Ok, good thing you just helped me out of the dream. I don't really see added value to Touch over Android, except for it being awesome. The added value was this desktop-on-dock thing.
[17:46] <Pepperinoo> Hi I have a problem... i would like install Ubuntu Touch on a Samsung Galaxy S I9000 with Android 2.2. Are this possible? What do i wrong?
[17:47] <dobey> ramj: come back in many months when we've built the platform to that point then. or better yet, get hardware that you can use ubuntu on as a phone platform, and help us build it
[17:47] <dobey> !devices Pepperinoo
[17:47] <dobey> !devices
[17:47] <dobey> Pepperinoo: ^^
[17:50] <ramj> dobey: well the desktop thing is kinda what they promised me when I pledged $650 for the Ubuntu Edge last year, which would come out right about now. Unfortunately we (as a community) didn't make the target, but it's not crazy to think that the software was already (somewhat) at the stage of this, right? :)
[17:50] <Pepperinoo> ok thanks i show
[17:51] <DexterF> hi
[17:51] <ramj> Not qualified to help build. I might be qualified to help test in the future. I will buy a new smartphone soonish, but not one of those lame Nexus ones. :)
[17:51] <dobey> not sure what was exactly promised for the edge to be supporting but i'm not sure full convergence was part of that
[17:52] <DexterF> what are my chances of running touch on a HTC Desire Z (fairly old, 512meg, single core 700mhz, has a real keyboard, reason I keep it)
[17:52] <dobey> !devices
[17:52] <ramj> Well that's where the video demonstrated that as one of the USPs, so yeah they did. Maybe they cancelled the feature when they didn't make the target, because probably part of the money raised would go to extra developers.
[17:55] <ramj> dobey: Also, the feature demonstrated where you could run Android apps within Ubuntu Touch, was that real or not (yet)?
[17:56] <dobey> i don't recall that at all
[17:56] <ramj> Wow, am I in the correct channel?
[17:56] <dobey> i think maybe you misunderstood some things in a promotional video
[17:58] <Pepperinoo> I have found it :)
[17:58] <dobey> the video mentioned using ubuntu and android in dual boot, not as android apps running on ubuntu
[17:59] <frecel> I'm trying to run an app on a device from SDK and I get this: Bad port<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:59] <dobey> you can dual boot andorid and ubuntu on most any of the phones supported by the community build
[17:59] <Elleo> http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2014/04/21/deep-vision-state-of-the-art-computer-vision-for-ubuntu-touch/ <-- demo of my fancy new computer vision app for ubuntu touch :)
[18:00] <ramj> @dobey I clearly saw this in a demonstration video, but perhaps I am confusing a different project by Canonical with Ubuntu touch.
[18:01] <Elleo> ramj: are you sure you're not thinking of SailfishOS? That includes an Android compatibility layer
[18:01] <dobey> several years ago there was a demo of running android apps on ubuntu on an arm laptop
[18:02] <balloons> sergiusens, howdy
[18:02] <dobey> but that was a completely separate thing, and before we really started building the phone platform
[18:11] <ramj> I cannot find the video where I saw this feature on a docked phone (both desktop and running Android apps inside Ubuntu) so I cannot 'prove' this (other than Mark Shuttleworth literally saying in his presentation video for the Ubuntu Edge that the phone has full Desktop Convergence with Android <http://youtu.be/eQLe3iIMN7k?t=4m14s>, but he calls it "Ubuntu for Android" so that's maybe a different project), but it surprises me that you seem
[18:11] <ramj>  to have no idea what I am talking about, even if they were features planned and later abandoned.
[18:11] <ramj> But ah well, thanks for clearing this up for me either way. :)
[18:12] <Elleo> ramj: Ubuntu for Android was a different project, where you had a desktop Ubuntu system running on top of Android
[18:12] <Elleo> so you dock your Android phone with your PC and you get to use Ubuntu on the PC
[18:13] <dobey> yeah, that's different
[18:14] <dobey> ramj: "as well as ubuntu, you'll be able to boot android"
[18:14] <dobey> ramj: that is multiboot, not UfA nor Ubuntu Touch
[18:14] <sergiusens> balloons: is the plugin's qmldir correct?
[18:15] <dobey> and Ubuntu for Android is different from that as well
[18:15] <dobey> it would theoretically be possible to have Android and Ubuntu in multiboot, and UfA on top of Android when you dock the phone while running under Android
[18:16] <dobey> even with UfA, i don't think it was possible to run android apps *in* ubuntu
[18:17] <dobey> it was just that you could run ubuntu when docked to a monitor/keyboard/mouse
[18:22] <ramj> dobey Here you see another Edge video that claims the demo was real and running on a "Nexus 4" device using AOSP Android. <http://youtu.be/EtNhlVn3ETQ?t=1m22s> This is an old video, and note the "Everything you see here is fully functional today" in the end. They said this would all be pushed to Ubuntu Mobile once it's fully functional (now Ubuntu Touch), so the Ubuntu Edge campaign definitely implied this desktop convergence thing would b
[18:22] <ramj> e possible by now. Just saying, in case you'll have other visitors thinking it will be possible with the developer preview from last week.
[18:23] <dobey> ramj: that's Ubuntu for Android
[18:23] <ramj> I know
[18:24] <ramj> back then
[18:24] <ramj> "This will all be pushed to Ubuntu Mobile (now Ubuntu Touch) once it's fully functional."
[18:24] <ramj> Hence my misunderstanding (or misinformation)
[18:24] <dobey> yes
[18:27] <ramj> I hope they will reintroduce both features at some point, and I trust they will
[18:27] <mhall119> Elleo: Deep Vision is pretty amazing
[18:27] <ramj> All three projects run on a linux kernel and are open source.
[18:27] <mhall119> what I really would like, though, is somthing that uses OCR to detect URLs, so I can take a picture of a URL (when a QR code isn't available) and open it in the phone's browser
[18:28] <DexterF> what is "unflipped"?
[18:29] <mhall119> ramj: if the Edge had been funded we would have priorities the development of the converged desktop mode, but it wasn't so we prioritized other things
[18:30] <mhall119> DexterF: the original Ubuntu device image ran Ubuntu in a container on top of Cyanogenmod, but sometime early last year they were "flipped" so that Cyanogenmod ran in a container inside of Ubuntu
[18:30] <mhall119> so "unflipped" revers to how Ubuntu was loaded prior to that change
[18:31] <DexterF> um, so I can have my cake and eat it, i.e.: run CM inside touch when needed?
[18:31] <Elleo> mhall119: I'll implement that next time I have a long weekend ;)
[18:32] <Elleo> mhall119: libccv has a good text detection algorithm, so that plus tesseract or gocr could work pretty well
[18:32] <dobey> what i'd really like, is the edge, with toned down hardware closer to what's in the nexus 5, running the ubuntu touch images we have today
[18:32] <bact> DexterF: you could also duel boot with multirom
[18:32] <dobey> i wonder if the mechanical drawings are avialable anywhere
[18:33] <mhall119> pmcgowan: can you give Elleo another long weekend? :)
[18:33] <Elleo> hehe
[18:33]  * pmcgowan suspects good things appeared
[18:34] <DexterF> multirom seems a godd idea, I guess 512megs might be a little tight for running cm+ut alongside
[18:34] <DexterF> *good
[18:34] <Elleo> pmcgowan: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2014/04/21/deep-vision-state-of-the-art-computer-vision-for-ubuntu-touch/ :)
 Ah I guess what I am looking for is Ubuntu for Android, which is not integrated into Ubuntu Touch like they wanted to because we didn't reach the crowdfunding target, and it's not available for download as a preview either? (Not here anyway <http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android>)
[18:36] <pmcgowan> yikes
[18:36] <dobey> DexterF: 512M is RAM? or storage?
[18:37] <DexterF> dobey: RAM. that thing is somewhat old
[18:37] <dobey> DexterF: well, you can't run cm + ut simultaenously. you run one or the other, if i understand multiboot correctly
[18:38] <DexterF> hm. multirom says "only on nexus".
[18:39] <mhall119> ramj: yeah, UfA required modifying Android on a per-device basis, it's not really possible to offer without the OEM's on baord
[18:40] <pmcgowan> Elleo, mhall119 thats freakin awesome
[18:40] <Elleo> :)
[18:40] <pmcgowan> Elleo, let me know when its in the store!
[18:41] <balloons> sergiusens, sorry was on the phone. so I checked it against reminders and the setup looks quite similar. So again, afaict it is correct. I'm guessing you would suspect the directory, hence your asking?
[18:41] <Elleo> pmcgowan: sure :) we ran up against a bug in the app armor profile for download manager, once that's fixed it'll be able to go in the store :)
[18:41]  * pmcgowan see mhall119 beat him to g+
[18:41] <pmcgowan> nice
[18:42] <kenvandine> Elleo, cool!
[18:42] <Elleo> kenvandine: plenty of nice content-hub demo in there too :P
[18:42] <kenvandine> Elleo, :-D
[18:42] <cwayne> kenvandine, heya, is there an easy way to use dbus to authenticate to an account-plugin?
[18:43] <kenvandine> cwayne, you could possibly use the signon dbus interface
[18:43] <kenvandine> cwayne, but now sure if you can actually auth that way
[18:44] <kenvandine> probably...
[18:44] <kenvandine> cwayne, check with mardy though, i really don't know how far you can get with that
[18:45] <dobey> cwayne: what do you mean by "authenticate to" exactly?
[18:45] <dobey> cwayne: you want the plug-in to authenticate to the server?
[18:54] <cwayne_> plars, ping
[18:54] <plars> cwayne_: hi
[18:54] <cwayne_> plars, hey, so any ideas what's going on with touch_custom?  i've ran the tests locally and it worked fine
[18:54] <plars> cwayne_: let me look
[18:56] <plars> cwayne_: ah, right. I mentioned this to you last week I think
[18:56] <plars> Running command: autopilot-list customization_tests
[18:56] <plars> ...
[18:56] <plars> customization_tests.api.test_webbrowser_settings.BroYAML parsing error at line 3, column 59: /tmp/tmpvep1LC/testsuites/customizations/customizations/Failed to import test module: customization_tests.api.test_dconf/tc_control
[18:56] <cwayne_> plars, yes, but i can't understand why it'd work locally
[18:57] <phablet> how can i save an image from the web on touch?
[18:58] <plars> cwayne_: I can try to install that image locally and take a look. But what do you get when you try to run autopilot-list (I think it runs as the phablet user)
[18:58] <Elleo> phablet: you can't quite yet, as soon as the download manager <-> content-hub integration stuff (and related browser changes) land you'll be able to though :)
[18:59] <phablet> elleo tnx
[18:59] <cwayne_> plars, im installing the latest now, i'll let you know, but i did phablet-test-run on last week's image and it worked
[19:01] <phablet> im on irrsi from nexus7 on new touch
[19:01] <plars> cwayne_: iirc, the customization tests needed some special handling because they are buried in the savilerow bzr branch
[19:02] <plars> cwayne_: I assume you are still doing something similar - pulling just that tests dir and pushing it to /home/phablet/autopilot/customization_tests?
[19:02] <cwayne_> yeah, that's exactly what i did
[19:16] <DexterF> so the best supported mobile phone at current is the nexus 4?
[19:18] <cwayne_> plars, autopilot list keeps returning nothing
[19:19] <plars> cwayne_: well that clearly isn't going to work :)
[19:19] <cwayne_> plars, but i'm getting the same for everything,
[19:19] <cwayne_> autopilot list unity8 for example shows 0 too
[19:19] <plars> cwayne_: I have the image downloaded, and I'm installing it now
[19:20] <plars> cwayne_: sounds like you don't have any tests in the path it's looking
[19:20] <cwayne_> where should it be looking?
[19:21] <plars> cwayne_: try something more like: adb shell sudo -i -u phablet bash -ic \"PYTHONPATH=/home/phablet/autopilot autopilot list\"
[19:21] <plars> (you may need to specify the app)
[19:22] <cwayne_> plars, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7301623/
[19:28] <cwayne_> plars, so i think i know what's up then
[19:29] <plars> cwayne_: good timing, I *just* finished installing :)
[19:29] <plars> cwayne_: what's the problem?
[19:30] <cwayne_> plars, i think it's running python2.7 but should be python3
[19:31] <plars> cwayne_: hmm, is autopilot making that choice?
[19:32] <cwayne_> im not sure
[19:32] <cwayne_> plars, but if i run autopilot list i get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7301703/ but autopilot3 list has no issues
[19:34] <plars> cwayne_: ah
[19:35] <plars> cwayne_: ImportError: No module named configparser
[19:35] <sergiusens> cwayne_: plars yes it is, look at phablet-test-run and how it manages the import dir
[19:35] <dobey> plars: trying to run python3 code on python2?
[19:35] <plars> dobey: yes, that's what we've concluded
[19:36] <sergiusens> jdstrand: jjohansen any of you can give me an insight on what this means? Warning from profile com.ubuntu.camera_camera_<IP_ADDRESS>8 (/var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_com.ubuntu.camera_camera_<IP_ADDRESS>8) signal rules not enforced
[19:36] <sergiusens> or why it is happening at all
[19:36] <cwayne_> plars, so however the ci dashboard is running the tests is different then, which would explain why phablet-test-run is working for me
[19:37] <plars> cwayne_: how are you running it? at this point it's not even getting to phablet-test-run
[19:37] <jjohansen> sergiusens: it means the userspace has been updated to a new version but the apparmor kernel module has not been yet
[19:37] <plars> but we are certainly using phablet-test-run in the ci scripts
[19:37] <jjohansen> sergiusens: the update of those patches, is in testing
[19:38] <cwayne_> plars, i just push it to /home/phablet/autopilot/custom and then run phablet-test-run custom
[19:38] <cwayne_> plars, but so maybe for the customization_tests we should run autopilot3 list?
[19:38] <plars> cwayne_: I think part of our issue here is the special handling of the customization tests needed by the fact that it doesn't work like the other packaged tests, nor like the click bzr installed tests
[19:38] <sergiusens> jjohansen: thanks, I guess it's just a matter of time; I'm giving the vanilla x86 emu a go and running into that
[19:39] <jjohansen> sergiusens: yep
[19:39] <plars> cwayne_: that should work just fine, do we know for sure that we don't have any other things that need python2 now?
[19:40] <cwayne_> plars, i know we don't need it for customization_tests but other than that i don't knoow
[19:43] <sergiusens> plars: unlock screen uses python2, gallery and a couple of community core app tests
[19:44] <cwayne_> plars, perhaps we just need to change discovery_cmd in tslist.auto?
[19:45] <plars> cwayne_: that's what I was shooting for, but I'm not sure that we're trading off customizations tests working for other things now failing
[19:46] <plars> I *think* it should be ok, I believe it's the only autopilot test out there that doesn't behave now
[19:46] <plars> so it's the only one that has to run as utah still
[19:46] <plars> cwayne_: of course the other option would be to make sure that the configparser import works in that testcase (if you get an exception on configparser, import ConfigParser instead)
[19:50] <cwayne_> plars, ah, we can do that I think
[19:52] <plars> cwayne_: ok, if you want to do it that way, go for it.  Otherwise, let me know, and to be safe I think I'll just make either an option for that autopilot-list script, or just make an autopilot3 version of it
[19:55] <cwayne_> plars, something like this? https://code.launchpad.net/~savilerow-team/savilerow/test-configparser/+merge/216623 seems to work for me
[19:55] <plars> cwayne_: +1
[20:13] <cwayne_> plars, so the test itself fails with python2, i think it makes more sense to just force 3 anyway
[20:13] <plars> cwayne_: right, but I thought autopilot or phablet-test-run would already do that
[20:15] <cwayne_> phablet-test-run does, but it looks like that's not how its run
[20:15] <cwayne_> it's run with autopilot run
[20:20] <plars> ah, right
[20:22] <plars> cwayne_: there's no click package that gets installed off of that where we could just hook that into phablet-click-test-setup to have it install the right stuff is there? That's the only reasons we need that extra setup to run like the utah tests, which is kinda silly since it's autopilot
[20:28] <cwayne_> plars, could we not just make test_cmd phablet-test-run {} instead of autopilot-test-run {}?
[20:30] <plars> cwayne_: nope
[20:30] <plars> cwayne_: I can work around it I think though
[21:05] <plars> cwayne_: hmm, so I tried adding a -3 flag for autopilot-list and autopilot-run to just run autopilot3 {everything} if you pass that to it
[21:05] <plars> cwayne_: unfortunately, running autopilot3 doesn't seem to work well on those tests. I get 15 failures, 3 pass
[21:06] <plars> and I never see anything actually running
[21:06] <plars> it unlocks the screen and pretty much just sits there
[21:06] <cwayne_> it doesn't drive any apps, so that's fine
[21:06] <plars> oh!
[21:06] <plars> this isn't a customized image
[21:06] <plars> I could have sworn I installed -custom
[21:06] <plars> let me try that :)
[21:07] <cwayne_> that'd be a start :)
[21:27] <plars> cwayne_: ok, much better: 18 passes, 0 failures
[21:27] <plars> cwayne_: I don't ever see anything happen on the screen though
[21:27] <plars> cwayne_: which I guess is expected... just weird
[21:27] <plars> since it's autopilot
[21:37] <cwayne_> plars, yeah, i guess it doesn't really need to be autopilot
[21:39] <plars> cwayne_: I pushed a MP a bit ago that should fix this
[21:41] <cwayne_> plars, just took a look, looks good to me
[21:55] <Jonii> Hello. For some reason my 3 and 4 finger touch gestures got disabled without me doing anything
[21:56] <Jonii> Ubuntu 12.4
[21:56] <Jonii> Any idea what could have caused something like this?
[21:59] <nhaines> Jonii: this is a place for developers to discuss working on Ubuntu on phones and tablets.
[21:59] <Jonii> Oh. Okay
[21:59] <nhaines> Jonii: if you need Ubuntu troubleshooting help, please try #ubuntu or askubuntu.com
[22:32] <korn> hi all
[22:57] <daker> dobey: i am getting : Unknown data technology :(
[22:58] <daker> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/view/head:/plugins/cellular/PageComponent.qml#L48
[23:24] <daker> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7303092/
[23:47] <Thorondor> Hi, is there an example of an app developed in C++ with only the User Interface specified in QML?
[23:48] <Thorondor> I would like to have only the UI description in QML, and connect it to C++ objects for the rest of the tasks
[23:58] <RAOF> Thorondor: The authenticator app is primarily C++, IIRC.
[23:58] <RAOF> Thorondor: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/+junk/ubuntu-authenticator ; although I don't know if that's the canonical branch.


[03:45] <ianorlin> hmm do we know when the iso.qa.ubuntu.com will come back
[07:16] <pitti> elopio: fixed bug 1468868 FYI
[07:18] <elopio> pitti: ^_^
[07:18] <elopio> thanks.
[14:40] <Saviq> elopio, hey, can I steal you for a moment?
[14:47] <davmor2> Saviq: I'm keeping my eye on you, if he is not returned in pristine condition you're in for it ;)
[14:48] <Saviq> davmor2, he never showed up!
[14:48] <davmor2> I have much to learn elopio oh wise one
[14:49] <elopio> Saviq: hello.
[14:49] <elopio> how can I help you>
[14:49] <elopio> ?
[14:50] <Saviq> elopio, hey
[14:51] <Saviq> elopio, so, given a class http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11841840/
[14:51] <Saviq> elopio, how do I mock BaseClass so that I can verify BaseClass.__init__ was called with the correct args?
[14:53] <Saviq> I started looking at replacing __bases__, but not totally happy with that, there must be a better way :)
[14:54] <elopio> Saviq: can't you use patch.object(BaseClass, __init__) ?
[14:54] <Saviq> elopio, hmm trying
[14:57] <elopio> Saviq: let me search a little too.
[14:57] <Saviq> elopio, yup, that woked
[14:57] <elopio> oh, awesome :)
[14:57] <Saviq> elopio, nope, that works great, thanks! /me not fluent with mock yet
[15:05] <Saviq> elopio, hah, that works for py34, not for py27 or pypy - those complain about "must by type, not classobj"
[15:06] <Saviq> elopio, if I don't use super but call BaseClass().__init__ it's fine, but super must be doing something special
[15:08] <Saviq> or I'm calling super wrong...
[15:10] <Saviq> huh
[15:12] <Saviq> aha, it's an old-style class in py2...
[15:12] <Saviq> ok, so it wasn't super() for a reason
[15:13] <Saviq> elopio, unping, base was an old-style class
[15:14] <elopio> Saviq: the problem is clearly in trying to support py2, just drop that :)
[15:14] <Saviq> elopio, indeed ;)