[12:39] <NickPresta> !baddevice | ghozala
[12:39] <ubotu> ghozala: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[12:39] <ivan_> kwin --replace &
[12:39] <uga> ivan_: compiz doesn't run any windeco by default
[12:40] <ghozala> then i try the same command
[12:40] <ivan_> To use window - decoration from kde U must install compiz-kde or emeral - to use emerald.
[12:40] <uga> ghozala: run alt+f2 and compiz --replace
[12:40] <uga> ghozala: then alt+f2 again, and run kde-window-deco
[12:40] <uga> tha tshould do
[12:40] <ivan_> type in terminal sudo apt-get install emerald.
[12:40] <uga> ivan_: nonono
[12:40] <uga> =)
[12:40] <kkathman> there seems to be continuing problems at least on my box, when you shut down under compiz-fusion - it always locks up the system, doing a kwin --replace seems to do the same thing unfortunately :(
[12:40] <kkathman> otherwise, c-f runs great :)
[12:41] <uga> ivan_: aquamarine is meant to be the one that runs kwin themes in compiz, but now it got replaced by kde-window-deco
[12:41] <uga> ghozala: sorry, kde-window-decorator
[12:41] <uga> is the whole name
[12:42] <ivan_> somebody know how to install vmware-console without vmware?
[12:42] <ghozala> uga:Could not run the specified command
[12:42] <uga> then you are missing the install. A second
[12:42] <uga> ghozala: sudo apt-get install compiz-kde
[12:44] <ghozala> ok uga then i try the same command agian
[12:44] <ivan_> uga: sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-kde emerald compizconfig-settings-manager || compiz --replace &
[12:45] <gabi> sdfsdfs
[12:45] <ghozala> uga: i type this on the terminal
[12:46] <ghozala> am i right as it is
[12:47] <ivan_> uga: emeral is better, then compiz-kde. Go to the http://kde-look.org and get nice window decorations for emerald.
[12:48] <ghozala> ivan i got compiz already
[12:48] <u0643589_> hola
[12:48] <ghozala> tell me plz what can i do to get the best results
[12:48] <ivan_> ghozala: and emerald too?
[12:48] <ghozala> ok give me the command to get it
[12:49] <ivan_> ghozala: troubles with decorations?
[12:50] <ghozala> ya
[12:50] <uga> sorry, I had a glitch =)
[12:50] <uga> ghozala: kde-window-decorator didn't help?
[12:50] <bazhang> Thanks! Oddly enough, when I did simply compiz --replace I lost the title bars, and the ability to type; the mouse worked fine,  and could access all the menus, but no input. alt f2 and compiz --replace & (after logging out and in again) set me right. Cheerrs!
[12:50] <ghozala> from two hours i cant apply one new theme
[12:50] <tekstacy> what is the command to stop x
[12:50] <ivan_> ghozala: use emerld.
[12:50] <uga> ghozala: I just started it up here. "compiz --replace" and then afterwards "kde-window-decorator --replace"
[12:51] <ghozala> in run or in konsole
[12:51] <ivan_> ghozala: in terminal: sudo apt-get install emeralg || compiz --replace & || emerald --replace &
[12:51] <uga> ghozala: whichever you prefer
[12:51] <tekstacy> run
[12:52] <Minataku> Dr_willis... isn't here
[12:52] <uga> ivan_: emerald or kde-window-decorator should do the same, except kde-window-decorator will  use kde themes, which are much more consistent
[12:52] <hydrogen> ivan_: that looks like its going to not do what you want
[12:52] <tekstacy> I need to dpkg -reconfigure, but I ned to stop it first
[12:52] <hydrogen> unless you want it to install emerald or start compiz or try to start emerald
[12:52] <ivan_> uga: i don't like kde themes with compiz.
[12:53] <uga> ivan_: oh well, if you don't mind having a subset of functionality with buttons in the window deco, then you're fine with emerald
[12:53] <uga> ivan_: either emerald or kde-window-decorator will do
[12:53] <ivan_> uga: :) I do.
[12:53] <uga> both do the same thing
[12:54] <uga> ivan_: I just love being able to say that an app goes on all desktops, or having the help button there
[12:54] <Bleep> hi can someone give me a link to a .deb file? its called pppd.... or ppp
[12:54] <uga> ivan_: or the fullscreen option
[12:54] <biovore> Bleep: apt-cache search pppd
[12:54] <biovore> Bleep: apt-cache search ppp
[12:54] <Bleep> i have no internet on laptop
[12:55] <biovore> oh..
[12:55] <biovore> packages.ubuntu.com
[12:55] <biovore> do a seach.. then click to download deb
[12:55] <biovore> also shows dependancies you will need
[12:56] <tekstacy> Anyone know the run command to turn off x?
[12:56] <Bleep> wow ty... thats so hard to find on their website and google :D
[12:56] <biovore> tekstacy: /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[12:56] <biovore> as root
[12:57] <biovore> or gdm if your running gdm
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> or xdm if you're running xdm
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> or...
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, you get the picture
[12:57] <tekstacy> Cool, thanks!
[12:58] <bazhang> kde-window-decorator --replace & is crazy! when you mouse over various start menu categories, the items window floats out--very cool.
[12:59] <uga> bazhang: I'd think that's due to compiz, not only about kde-window-decorator?
[12:59] <uga> or maybe I'm wrong
[01:01] <Mr_Sonoma> sounds to me like a compiz effect too
[01:01] <uga> unless the window decorator recognises thsoe as different windows
[01:01] <bazhang> uga: no doubt; it's just instead of emerald. can't wait to see what KDE4 can do with this.
[01:01] <uga> bazhang: heh, kde4 runs its own "compiz" =)
[01:02] <emilsedgh> bazhang: i think kde4 .0 cannot do much for you
[01:02] <uga> I found that slowish last time I tried
[01:02] <uga> emilsedgh: ?
[01:02] <uga> emilsedgh: it can =)
[01:02] <emilsedgh> uga: kwin's compositing isnt very nice atm...
[01:02] <biovore> kde4 is in need of much more development.. something time will only cure..
[01:02] <uga> emilsedgh: give time to time. there were very useful features there
[01:02] <uga> rather than toys
[01:03] <emilsedgh> uga: last time i tried, it justed distroyed everything, let me try again :)
[01:03] <uga> lol, you're running svn, I suppose
[01:04] <bazhang> emilsedgh: really? the way it looks now, yeah, but KDE 3.5.7 is so much nicer than a year ago--I used to loathe it, and now it's pretty sweet.
[01:04] <emilsedgh> uga: no :(
[01:04] <uga> ah, I don't use betas
[01:04] <uga> whoever thought of packaging betas... =)
[01:04] <Minataku> I've used betas before
[01:05] <Minataku> Heck, a number of my machines are running NetBSD 4.0RC1
[01:05] <uga> Minataku: kde4 betas aren't usable
[01:05] <emilsedgh> just, could i run a command in a runlevel, but it runs in a different runlevel?
[01:05] <Minataku> Heh
[01:05] <uga> and not representative of what they will be either
[01:05] <Minataku> uga: That would be the difference, then ;3
[01:05] <uga> so why package them
[01:05] <Mr_Sonoma> betas aren't always bad =) but some are awfully buggy, but their supposed to be arent they??? *grin*
[01:05] <uga> they are supposed to be, yes
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> there's a difference in how people use "beta"
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> there's "google beta", which is everything pretty much works, maybe a tiny issue once in a great while
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> and there's "microsoft beta", which is also known as vista
[01:07] <uga> LOL
[01:08] <emilsedgh> :D
[01:08] <emilsedgh> and real beta, which means unusable :D
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> emilsedgh: i JUST covered that...
[01:08] <kin> hello its me bleep!
[01:08] <kin> via kubuntu :D:D:D\
[01:08] <bazhang> hello!
[01:09] <emilsedgh> didnt see it, sorry Daisuke_Ido
[01:09] <kin> finally... adsl on kubuntu
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> emilsedgh: yeah, see where it says "microsoft beta"?
[01:09] <emilsedgh> oh!
[01:09] <bazhang> kin: nice.
[01:09] <emilsedgh> Daisuke_Ido: no no,  microsoft softwares are always in beta mode :D
[01:09] <quixogre> back
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> emilsedgh: nah, sp1 is release candidate, sp2 is usable
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> traditionally, anyway
[01:10] <bazhang> this time vista is early alpha.
[01:10] <emilsedgh> Daisuke_Ido: is that? i dont think so, never tried it...
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> i hate windows, i really do, but xp sp2 is by far the closest they've gotten to getting it right
[01:10] <Bleep> guess what......
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> did you let the blue smoke out?
[01:12] <Bleep> im finally liberated from the evil world of microsoft
[01:12] <Bleep> now i can start being independent
[01:13] <bazhang> Bleep: yes!
[01:13] <ardchoille> Bleep: Good job!
[01:13] <Bleep> im so happy now...
[01:13] <ardchoille> I love it when that happens :)
[01:14] <bazhang> a question for the experts: are desktops more stable than laptops with Linux?
[01:14] <quixogre> i've got a poll-type question...can anyone recommend a good free game for linux?
[01:14] <quixogre> bazhang: the big difference is in wireless support imho
[01:14] <ardchoille> quixogre: crack-attack, lbreakout2, chromiumBSD
[01:14] <Bleep> i needed ppp and pptp installed and some configuration guide to get adsl runnin
[01:14] <bazhang> quixogre: frozen bubble.
[01:14] <biovore> Bleep: pppoe?
[01:15] <Bleep> no pppoe
[01:15] <quixogre> laptops run linux/ubunutu fairly well. only problem now, is that wifi support for ubuntu/linux is sketchy at best
[01:15] <biovore> well blame the wifi manufactures.. the only one that has offical support is intell
[01:16] <biovore> all the other wifi stuff is a hack a best
[01:16] <biovore> or basement built
[01:16] <bazhang> quixogre: I had heard on another channel that laptops had more heat issues than desktops, and that is area Linux could improve upon.
[01:16] <Bleep> hmm i should post the solution in the forums... i'm just lucky to find the solution with google in a hard way
[01:17] <quixogre> bazhang: only because linux doesnt heat up processors/eat memory the way windoze do
[01:17] <bazhang> quixogre: true.
[01:17] <biovore> ^ I don't know about that one..
[01:17] <biovore> I put a hurting on here.
[01:17] <biovore> then again. running at 100% for over 10 hours will do that..
[01:17] <bazhang> has anyone seen the firefox addon for ubuntuforums?
[01:18] <quixogre> biovore: yeah, but linux as a whole uses fewer cycles than windows
[01:18] <quixogre> biovore. vista REQUIRES 1 gig of memory...
[01:18] <biovore> quixogre: depends.. still..  windows is a memory hog because of graphics..
[01:18] <biovore> and dll's method kinda sucks..
[01:19] <biovore> .so (shared objects) are more memory efficent..
[01:20] <quixogre> i want to find a RTS game for linux...test out the graphics capabilities now that i got hardware up and running
[01:20] <bazhang> just curious; if Linux has protected memory, then how can a whole system crash? shouldn't it just be an individual application? Or is that a hardware issue? or javascript?
[01:21] <quixogre> baz technically, windows has protected memory...
[01:21] <quixogre> and they been crashing for YEARS
[01:21] <bazhang> quixogre: so does OS X...
[01:22] <quixogre> meh. never p[layed with macs
[01:22] <quixogre> macs make me feel like im being spoonfed. not sure why
[01:23] <bazhang> quixogre: I have; got an intel imac before I got bit by the Linux bug, and it's slow compared to Linux running on a comparable machine--core duo
[01:23] <kin> my adsl seems to be at the slow side when i visit youtube are gamespot... whats the cause of that?
[01:23] <kin> or
[01:24] <Chousuke> bazhang: when something causes the whole system to crash it usually means it was some driver that did something wrong in kernelspace
[01:24] <bazhang> kin: probably older version of flash.
[01:24] <kin> aha
[01:24] <bazhang> Chousuke: thanks!
[01:24] <Chousuke> bazhang: and that driver malfunction was triggered by the software
[01:25] <mneptok> bazhang: protected memory is not a silver bullet
[01:25] <bazhang> Chousuke: that would explain wordpress +javascript +autosave +any Linux distro crash.
[01:26] <jhutchins> bazhang: java anything would explain the crash.
[01:26] <bazhang> great addon for firefox--not sure if it's snark or not--at www.fsckin.com
[01:27] <jhutchins> Oh, there's a winning combo! java + firecrash!
[01:27] <mneptok> jhutchins: javascript is not related to java at all
[01:27] <bazhang> jhutchins: is java/javascript an exploit risk?
[01:27] <biovore> thats client side exploit maybe
[01:27] <biovore> not on server though..
[01:28] <jhutchins> bazhang: yes, within your understanding of the java code you're running.
[01:28] <bazhang> jhutchins: firecrash--I love it! Konqueror is far better.
[01:28] <bazhang> jhutchins: which is nil.
[01:29] <jhutchins> bazhang: So I just got plunged back into desktop support running OS-X and XP, and I can't believe the stuff that you CAN'T do in either, that Just Works in Linux.  IE hard-crashed my macbook today, although it did have the grace to automatically reboot to OS-X
[01:31] <bazhang> jhutchins: I wonder if it's possible to wipe OS X and install Linux over it? It's an intel core duo.
[01:31] <biovore> jhutchins: Mac + backing-up DVD --  nope..
[01:31] <biovore> bazhang: is basicly a normal pc
[01:31] <jhutchins> bazhang: No, I have to have the Mac side too, but I'm thinking 3way boot.
[01:32] <bazhang> biovore: could I run a liveCD on a Mac--start up from Kubuntu liveCD, for example?
[01:32] <biovore> not sure..  I don't have a mac
[01:33] <bazhang> jhutchins: boot camp?
[01:33] <bazhang> biovore: thanks!
[01:34] <kin> uhm.... does kubuntu have firewall and virusscanner installed?
[01:34] <jhutchins> bazhang: Yeah. I'm thinking VMWare is the ultimate solution.
[01:35] <bazhang> jhutchins: I've been using virtual box, it's not that bad.
[01:35] <jhutchins> Linux as the primary OS and the others as instant-access instead of multiboot.
[01:35] <jhutchins> I hear there are killer problems with "Parallels".
[01:36] <bazhang> jhutchins: mac in vmware? Is that possible?
[01:36] <jhutchins> They've been dithering for a week about how to allocate a license for Office, so I got fed up and installed oo on the Windows side.  Think I'm going with oo-Aqua on the Mac.
[01:37] <Dragnslcr> kin- I believe iptables is installed by default. Not sure offhand what there are for GUI frontends for it
[01:37] <jhutchins> bazhang: I have no idea.  As soon as i know, I'll be the only one within 500 miles who does know, and will bill accordingly <grin>!
[01:38] <jhutchins> Dragnslcr: The text interfaces are better than the current GUI's, which are all broken in some way, but there are good attempts that might work for you.
[01:38] <jhutchins> I'm using shorewall (text) which is way overkill.
[01:38] <jhutchins> It offers me a quick way to ban a specific IP; other than that I use raw iPTABLES scripts.
[01:44] <boris> i have some data on usb HDD
[01:45] <boris> wich is format in xfs
[01:45] <boris> I can not reed date foromhdd
[01:45] <boris> ineed help
[01:45] <bazhang> can you try a rescue disk?
[01:46] <boris> how
[01:46] <boris> i ned thous data
[01:46] <bazhang> not sure about Kubuntu, but I believe Knoppix, among others has this feature; a liveCD that is good at that sort of thing.
[01:46] <boris> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
[01:47] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What do you know about lancelot
[01:48] <Jucato> DaSkreech: nothing except that it's supposed to be an alternative launcher for KDE4
[01:48] <DaSkreech> A no mouse launcher right?
[01:48] <Jucato> perhaps. like I said, that's the only thing I know
[01:49] <DaSkreech> ok
[01:49] <Jucato> but in case this is going where I think it's going, dunno if you've seen this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=60941
[01:51] <jasonsd> hi im told that i need the "gstreamer headers" to make sound work on pidgin built from source on my kubuntu box -- im not finding a package called that what should i be using?
[01:52] <Alonea> hi, I wanted to try out kde4 beta 2, but I am not sure what I did wrong, I installed it, copied the file /usr/lib/.. to /usr/share/.. and edited the name entry to KDE 4 and put the 4 export lines above the /usr/lib/kde4/startkde thing. When I try to log into it, screen goes black, then shoots me back to the login screen
[01:52] <Jucato> jasonsd: try libgstreamer0.10-dev
[01:52] <Jucato> er... the version number might be different
[01:52] <jasonsd> Jucato: ok
[01:53] <bazhang> will there be a 7.10 for ppc?
[01:54] <Jucato> perhaps an unofficial one
[01:54] <Jucato> !ppc
[01:54] <ubotu> PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[01:55] <bazhang> Jucato: thanks!
[01:55] <bazhang> I know about the Feisty version (unofficial); at any rate, there's no way that my old Powerbook could handle compiz-fusion.
[01:56] <jasonsd> im trying to build pidgin from source -- it builds but has no sound -- anyone have any advice
[01:56] <jasonsd> ?
[01:56] <Alonea> er wait, this line kind of confuses me. : To run it as a full session copy /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop
[01:56] <Alonea> Do I copy the kde.desktop file to the xsessions folder? or do I copy kde.desktop to xsessions folder and rename it to kde4.desktop?
[01:57] <Jucato> the latter
[01:58] <ardchoille> If he copies, then renames, won't that mess up the existing kde.desktop file?
[01:58] <Jucato> oh yeah
[01:58] <Jucato> but if he uses cp, it won't
[01:58] <ardchoille> ok
[01:59] <ardchoille> cp doesn't overwite?
[01:59] <Jucato> the command would be "cp  /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop"
[02:00] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, yeah, that keeps from having the problem I assumed he would have
[02:02] <Alonea> brb. gonna see if this works now.
[02:03] <ardchoille> If I want to switch kdm themes from the command line, which file do I edit?
[02:05] <Jucato> gutsy or pre-gutsy?
[02:05] <ardchoille> Feisty. It's different on Gutsy?
[02:05] <Jucato> yes
[02:05] <Jucato> pre-gutsy: /etc/kde3/kdm/kmdrc
[02:06] <Jucato> gutsy, you can use a file override and set it in /etc/default/kdm.d/
[02:06] <VSpike> When I drag windows sideways, I get "tearing" along vertical edges.  Is this pretty normal?
[02:07] <ardchoille> Jucato: Wow, sounds lke gutsy is going to change a lot of stuff
[02:07] <ardchoille> VSpike: I've never seen that here.
[02:07] <Jucato> ardchoille: that change is from Debian Etch
[02:08] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yeah, and I'm starting to see a lot of /path/*.d stuff
[02:08] <VSpike> ardchoille: if you drag a foregroudn window over other windows, do you get any trails or flicker on the window behind?
[02:08] <ardchoille> VSpike: No, but I have nvidia drivers installed for my card.
[02:08] <VSpike> ardchoille: me too
[02:09] <ardchoille> Jucato: As in /etc/apt/sources.list.d I'm assuming you can specify sources there like you can with yum
[02:09] <VSpike> ardchoille: I always thought my X performance sucked
[02:10] <VSpike> ardchoille: resizing windows looks horrendous too
[02:10] <Jucato> ardchoille: yes. that's how wine intructs users to add its repo. not in sources.list directly
[02:10] <ardchoille> VSpike: :(
[02:11] <ghozala> HELP!!!!!hay i get emerald and i install and i got some themes for it but i didnt know how to activate it
[02:11] <Alonea> ok, so now it goes to a black screen and stays there instead of throwing me back to the login screen
[02:11] <Alonea> @@
[02:11] <VSpike> Things look better with compiz-fusion running, but resizing is still slow.  However, video output of kaffeine and vlc something has some problems under compiz, and I also get some stability problems when switching between X sessions
[02:12] <VSpike> It's so annoying ... i used vista the other day on a 300 HP machine and it's as smooth as butter by comparison
[02:12] <Alonea> any ideas as to what is the problem or am I just sol?
[02:12] <ardchoille> VSpike: But Linux is more secure and stable.. by comparison ;)
[02:13] <bazhang> VSpike: surely you jest.
[02:13] <Alonea> its great when you get the blue screen in vista, mind this was the beta version, but it was the last beta before release
[02:13] <VSpike> bazhang: not at all
[02:13] <ardchoille> Alonea: beta is still beta
[02:13] <VSpike> bazhang: given vista's rep, that makes me think something must be wrong with my setup
[02:14] <bazhang> VSpike: I've used Vista on a Sony Vaio, with 2 GB of ram, and it was as slow as a dog.
[02:14] <Pitabred> It shouldn't be dog slow with 2 gigs of RAM unless you have slow video drivers or something
[02:14] <bazhang> VSpike: could be.
[02:14] <ardchoille> VSpike: Given my experiences with nvidia on more than 100 machines, I think your setup is messed up somehow.
[02:14] <ghozala> vista is appearance not performance
[02:14] <Pitabred> Perhaps the readyboost or whatever was caching files in the background
[02:15] <Alonea> ardchoille: indeed, and I do not wish to have the actual vista. now a friend of mine who does have vista and hers keeps crashing all the time, but I also don't know how she has it set up or how much ram she has
[02:15] <VSpike> bazhang: I'm not sure about application performance as such, but the UI itself was smooth... not flicker, smooth fades, etc
[02:15] <ghozala> HELP!!!!!hay i get emerald and i install and i got some themes for it but i didnt know how to activate it
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> ghozala: do you have beryl or compiz installed?
[02:15] <VSpike> ardchoille: secure I'd agree with .. I'm still not sure about stability, compared to XP at least.  Depends how you define stability I guess
[02:15] <ardchoille> ghozala: join #ubuntu-effects
[02:15] <Alonea> anyway, anyone tried out the kde 4 beta 2?
[02:15] <ghozala> i got emerald
[02:15] <bazhang> VSpike: I'll give you that, but when playing music (or other media), networking drops to 10 percent!
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> ghozala: that wasn't the question
[02:16] <bazhang> Alonea: yes, lots of work to be done yet.
[02:16] <VSpike> bazhang: that you could well be right about :) I didn't really use the machine that much, just dragged windows around and went "ooh"
[02:16] <ghozala> i got emerald theme manger
[02:16] <Alonea> bazhang: ah, I just wanted to look at it, but alas I cannot seem to get into said system.
[02:16] <ardchoille> Alonea: I heard that kde4 is barely useable
[02:16] <ghozala> and compiz
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> okay
[02:17] <ardchoille> ghozala: join #ubuntu-effects
[02:17] <bazhang> Alonea: it's really not usable.
[02:17] <Daisuke_Ido> then #ubuntu-effects can help
[02:17] <Alonea> ah, ok. figures then. Guess I will stop trying then.
[02:18] <bazhang> VSpike: you should see the web page called a 'cost analysis of windows vista'
[02:18] <Alonea> sounds like beryl on my comp. completely unusable. ^__^ course I have ati card and thus I am pretty much doomed anyway for anything to do with graphics
[02:18] <slackern> Alonea: which card you got?
[02:18] <Pitabred> I actually had decent luck with my old Radeon 9600 mobile and Linux
[02:18] <bazhang> Alonea: are you using feisty?
[02:19] <Alonea> slackern: on a laptop, ati xpress 200m
[02:19] <Alonea> bazhang: yeah.
[02:19] <slackern> Alonea: hmm is that a r5xx or r6xx gpu?
[02:19] <bazhang> Alonea: I got beryl working fine on a really old (7years) ati card.
[02:20] <bazhang> ati 340M
[02:20] <VSpike> I really hate the way that KDE doesnt have an option to resize with an outline instead of resizing window contents live, which doesn't freeze the whole desktop
[02:20] <Alonea> slackern: have no idea. never seen r anything before. its an hp pavillion 8113cl
[02:20] <slackern> Alonea: You could have a look here might give an idea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units
[02:21] <slackern> Alonea: I have problems myself with my x1950 pro card but my 9800Pro card works great
[02:21] <bazhang> Alonea: I think Gutsy will get you going.
[02:21] <Pitabred> VSpike: what do you mean?  Go to the control center, then the Window Behavior widget, and under the "Moving" tab you can uncheck "display content in resizing windows"
[02:22] <Alonea> bazhang: you mean, with gusty I can get beryl to work?
[02:22] <slackern> I have all my hope in the new radeonhd (opensource) drivers that are being developed, running them right now or have been for a week now or so, works good but no acceleration yet with them
[02:23] <VSpike> Pitabred: if you do that, try resizing a window, and while you are holding the window edge, all display updates in all windows will be frozen
[02:23] <DaSkreech> Hi Alonea
[02:23] <bazhang> Alonea: well, in gutsy, it's compiz-fusion; beryl and compiz have rejoined.
[02:24] <Pitabred> My Konsole is still showing updates when I run an "apt-get update" while resizing another window...?
[02:24] <Alonea> hey DaSkreech
[02:24] <Alonea> bazhang: ah ok, its been a while since I have tried. is it easier to install this time around?
[02:25] <Pitabred> video still plays, too
[02:25] <VSpike> Pitabred: mine doesnt
[02:25] <Pitabred> ...what video drivers are you using?  I've got Gutsy + Nvidia + Compiz
[02:26] <VSpike> Pitabred: feisty + nvidia + kde 3.5.7
[02:26] <Alonea> bazhang: as it is I managed to get fglrx and that was it.
[02:26] <bazhang> Alonea: no need to install; in gutsy it's there by default--at least in Ubuntu--in Kubuntu (this beta) I had to install a few packages, and magic!
[02:26] <Pitabred> Weird. I've got KDE 3.5.7 here, too
[02:27] <Alonea> bazhang: oh? I might have to try this, but not right this second. I don't want to screw up my computer at the moment.
[02:27] <VSpike> Pitabred: are you running compiz? because that could change things I'd imagine
[02:27] <VSpike> Pitabred: if you are running compiz, that setting in KDE shouldnt have any effect surely, because it would be a kwin setting
[02:27] <Pitabred> It could, but that'd be very strange for the KDE window manager to not be multi-threaded
[02:28] <bazhang> Alonea: you should wait until the final comes out. well worth the wait; I'm running Kubuntu Gutsy beta and not any problems, but if it's you're only machine, then best hold on.
[02:28] <Pitabred> And yes, it does have an effect
[02:28] <VSpike> I know you can get the same in compiz from ccsm
[02:28] <Pitabred> I have the KDE integration packages installed, so compiz respect's KDE's window manager settings
[02:28] <ghozala> HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i need support ive got emerald and compiz in my system noting works what can i do to fix it
[02:29] <VSpike> Pitabred: ah, but it's still compiz doing the resizing.  I get the same if I enable compiz
[02:29] <bazhang> ghozala: try hitting alt +f2, then typing compiz --replace &, followed by kde-window-decorator --replace &. That should set you up.
[02:29] <VSpike> Pitabred: try switching to kwin
[02:30] <SlimeyPete> ghozala: I'm afraid I can't offer you any assistance myself but if no-one else here can help you you may wish to ask in #ubuntu-effects. #ubuntu-effects is a channel which is dedicated to compiz/beryl on Ubuntu.
[02:30] <VSpike> Pitabred: and agreed on the strangeness, especially since it works fine if you allow it to show the window contents
[02:30] <bazhang> ghozala: or you can type alt +f2, and emerald --replace &; I think KDE looks cooler, but that's just me.
[02:31] <VSpike> bazhang: agreed .. i tried all the emerald themes and went back to KDE decoration :)
[02:31] <vellakd> I'm having a problem with adept updater. It says that there is another instance open. Any ideas of what to do?
[02:32] <bazhang> VSpike: have you seen the way that new sub menus just float out? cool or what?
[02:32] <Daisuke_Ido> the emerald themes are good for two things
[02:32] <Daisuke_Ido> cloning vista
[02:32] <Daisuke_Ido> and cloning OS X
[02:33] <bazhang> vellakd: assuming you are not updating at the moment, then log out and log in again.
[02:33] <BluesKaj> vellakd, make sure apt and synaptic aren't running ...if not then : sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> what?
[02:34] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: and who would want to clone those two? Linux is much better looking...
[02:34] <jasonsd> im trying to get wav files to play on my kubuntu - ive installed gstreamer0.10, the alsa plugin, the base plugin pack and the good plugin pack - -what else do i need to do?
[02:34] <BluesKaj> vista home premium has nice eyecandy if you're into that kind of thing
[02:34] <vellakd> BlusKaj: checked top (don't know what else to check) for any instances, and found none. I also tried the command, and it seemed to do nothing.
[02:35] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix
[02:35] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:35] <bazhang> jasonsd: well, if it's like other files, then a simple double click on it will launch a menu asking if you want to install all the codecs. works for mp3s, dvd and so on.
[02:36] <vellakd> Is this only a temporary fix, or a permanent one?
[02:36] <ghozala> why when i type compiz --replace & the screen goes white
[02:36] <jasonsd> bazhang: ok
[02:36] <ghozala> and i cant do anything to restore it back
[02:36] <BluesKaj> or vellakd , you may have a stalled install which didn't finish
[02:37] <bazhang> ghozala: what's your video card?
[02:37] <ghozala> nividia
[02:37] <vellakd> BluesKaj: I don't think it was that (this isn't my computer; I'm fixing it for someone else); the regular user of it is pretty good about proper shutdowns
[02:37] <ghozala> fx 5500
[02:37] <bazhang> ghozala: do you have the proper drivers?
[02:37] <vellakd> BluesKaj: it also seems to be working now (seems, anyway). Thanks for the help.
[02:37] <BluesKaj> vellakd, what about updates
[02:38] <ghozala> it is automatically installed
[02:38] <chris__> I've installed kubuntu-desktop, but when I login, I get Gnome, how do I make the switch?
[02:38] <vellakd> BluesKaj: it is now updating.
[02:38] <ghozala> and the appearance of the desktop is good and the resolution is high
[02:38] <BluesKaj> yeah, that adeptfix command just fixes and doesn't indicate the fact
[02:38] <bazhang> ghozala: ok. and you have compizconfig setting manager installed, along with compiz core and emerald?
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> chris__: are you using kdm? or the normal gnome login manager...
[02:39] <lubos> how do I skip xdm authentication ... ?
[02:39] <vellakd> BluesKaj: yeah, I would rather have some output on that, as oppsed to nothing :/
[02:39] <ghozala> yeah
[02:39] <chris__> not sure how to answer that... after I installed kubuntu-desktop, the login screen changed to K
[02:39] <chris__> but after I login, everything else is Gnome
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> chris__: ah ok,well in the bottom of the login screen there are two buttons, somewhere on one of them there will be a "sessions" select "KDE"
[02:40] <chris__> Do I need to logout to try that?
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> chris__: yeah
[02:40] <chris__> brb
[02:41] <BluesKaj> vellakd, agreed :)
[02:41] <lubos> how do i skip xdm authentication?
[02:41] <ghozala> bazhang: do u have any idea what can i do to fix that problem
[02:42] <bazhang> you know how to install stuff using adept, right?
[02:42] <vellakd> BluesKaj: Well, thanks again; the user wants him computer back now ;)
[02:42] <ghozala> yup
[02:42] <bazhang> ghozala: go to adept, and do a search for compiz; there should be something like compiz extra plugins.
[02:43] <ghozala> yes
[02:43] <ghozala> install it
[02:43] <bazhang> choose to install that, and for good measure, install emerald--the rest will be updated automatically.
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> heya nosredna
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: heya...
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: gutsy upgrade didn't work well for me..
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: no suspend (stupid ATI drivers)
[02:45] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, yeah, you may have to go into synaptic/edit/fix brokenpkges....it worked for me
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: nope... nothing there. Its an ATI driver problem for sure. when I disable fglrx it works flawlessly
[02:47] <bazhang> ghozala: you all set?
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: are you on gutsy?
[02:47] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> oh... hmm and you have the same chipset as me as well..
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> odd
[02:47] <ghozala> bazhang: no i didnt find it i am trying to look it up at synaptic
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> ouch
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> you drop back to feisty?
[02:48] <bazhang> ghozala: are you on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:48] <ghozala> kubuntu
[02:48] <JpSSgtRock> Hi, all
[02:49] <JpSSgtRock> I've got a CUPS installation that insists that it's loaded with A4 instead of letter.
[02:49] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, the new HD ATI driver for the Radeon 2900 works on my X200G like a charm
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: nah.. I'll try to figure it out
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: I think i'm going to try it again.
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: and that is very good to hear
[02:49] <JpSSgtRock> I've set /etc/papersize to letter, deleted and re-added the printer, and verified that it is set to letter.
[02:50] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[02:50] <JpSSgtRock> The CUPS test page still comes out too short.  Page Size is listed as 8.25x10.38 in or 209.6x263.6mm
[02:50] <JpSSgtRock> Any ideas?
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: gutsy here... but i'll look at it.
[02:50] <BluesKaj> yes gutsy here too, nosrednaekim
[02:51] <ghozala> bazhang: i am on kubuntu and i found compiz-kde and libdecoratin and compiz-core and emerald installed to my system
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> ok
[02:52] <chris__> Awesome, thanks!
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> chris__: that work?
[02:52] <chris__> Now for my second question... whenever it sleeps, hibernates ... etc
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> yeah....
[02:52] <chris__> Yes, I'm very happy
[02:53] <chris__> I cannot get the video signal to come back
[02:53] <chris__> I need to reboot after sleeping/hibernating
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: I'm on Amd64, and I tried directly running the installer. seems it  doesn't like it. maybe generating debs will work.
[02:53] <ghozala> HELP!!!!!!! i am on kubuntu and i found compiz-kde and libdecoratin and compiz-core and emerald installed to my system AND I CANT CHANGE MY THEME
[02:53] <Alonea> bazhang: if I really wanted to, I could make another partition and do that. I have 2 hard drives on here and plenty of room on my first. I have windows on hd0 and linux on hd1.
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> chris__: well, ussually if its not working, it won't work ;)
[02:54] <chris__> boo
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> chris__: do you have the proprietary ATI drivers installed?
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> or nvidia
[02:54] <chris__> afaik
[02:54] <chris__> on Gnome I would use Synaptic manager to check
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> AFAYK what?
[02:55] <chris__> how can I check on kde
[02:55] <chris__> as far as I know
[02:55] <chris__> I installed nvidia-glx-new
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> chris__: you can run synaptic in KDE
[02:55] <chris__> I think it was
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> chris__: ah..ok
[02:55] <bazhang> ghozala: I think you need the extra plugins to get it going--at least stuff like ring switcher, expo, etc. I found it no problem with Adept--that comes standard with gutsy 7.10 kubuntu beta.
[02:55] <Daisuke_Ido> ghozala: as you've been told a few times now, go to #ubuntu-effects
[02:56] <bazhang> Alonea: wow! triple or quad-boot!
[02:56] <chris__> ah yes, found it
[02:56] <Daisuke_Ido> we are *not* the compositing experts
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> we are the impostering experts;)
[02:56] <bazhang> hahahaha
[02:56] <chris__> another symptom, several icons are missing from my menus
[02:56] <BluesKaj> oh, nosrednaekim , a warning , make sure you follow the uninstall instructions of the old driver before installing the new one.
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: you mean uninstall the proprietary one first from apt? or is there something special...
[02:58] <bazhang> chris__: gutsy?
[02:58] <chris__> bazhang: pardon?
[02:58] <bazhang> chris__: are you running Gutsy beta?
[02:58] <chris__> I think I have Feisty, how do I confirm that?
[02:59] <BluesKaj> i mean this , nosrednaekim : http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> chris__: you have fiesty of you didn't purposefully upgrade
[02:59] <NickPresta> chris__, lsb_release -a
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: ah ok... following to the letter
[02:59] <BluesKaj> then nosrednaekim , here's the driver : http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeonhdd.html
[03:00] <chris__> feisty
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: yeah.. I already have it
[03:00] <BluesKaj> ok, tvtime with wifey...BBL
[03:01] <bazhang> chris__: sometimes in feisty I had the same thing; especially when adding new programs--it would take a log out (reboot?) to fix it.
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: k
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> thanks
[03:02] <chris__> I have noticed this over the past week
[03:02] <chris__> Just installed Ubuntu about two weeks ago
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> chris__: oh... it used to work?
[03:02] <chris__> Don't think so
[03:02] <chris__> took me a while to realize which install was hozing it up when I walked away
[03:02] <chris__> sometime I still boot to XP
[03:02] <chris__> which hibernates pretty well
[03:03] <JpSSgtRock> Any ideas on my CUPS question?
[03:03] <bazhang> chris__: it's hard to make the switch.
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> chris__: yeah... suspend is one of the hard things to get working with linux, and its pretty much hit or miss
[03:04] <bazhang> chris__: feisty had some wireless issues for my laptop--they seem ok now in gutsy beta.
[03:04] <bazhang> chris__: it really is worth sticking with, though.
[03:05] <chris__> I couldn't agree more
[03:05] <chris__> Have been debating whether to put Ubuntu on my laptop
[03:05] <chris__> since XP makes it pretty slow these days
[03:06] <chris__> Thought maybe something a bit more light weight
[03:06] <chris__> but the install has been pretty painless
[03:06] <chris__> I tried OpenSUSE and the install was like debugging in assembly
[03:07] <bazhang> chris__: hahaha
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> chris__: gutsy fixed two of my problems (wireless and sound) but killed my suspend with the ATI drivers
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> chris__: but that is really ATI's fault
[03:08] <faires> Does somebody knows if there's a KDE graphical software that converts ps to pdf?
[03:09] <chris__> Gnome had some really cool screensaver pics
[03:09] <chris__> Where can I find them to use in KDE?
[03:10] <faires> It can be either a drop-down option than a software that opens ps and allows you to save on pdf...
[03:11] <Hirvinen> faires: I think KPDF converts ps to pdf before displaying it and it could then be saved.
[03:11] <bazhang> chris__: don't really remember in feisty, but kubuntu gutsy comes with a ton of screensavers. you could try kde-look.org
[03:12] <Hirvinen> faires: But what do you need a GUI for? Do you need to edit as well as convert?
[03:12] <Jucato> faires: answered in the other channel
[03:14] <faires> Hirvinen: no, I don't. In fact, I'm trying to get rid of konsole need, in order to better help my non-computer related friends on using kubuntu
[03:14] <fevel> can someone help me? I executed sudo nautilus& and now every time I login inside kde asks for my password
[03:14] <faires> Jucato: I didn't know "Print as PDF". Thanks a lot...
[03:14] <pramod> Hello Everyone
[03:14] <faires> Hirvinen: thanks a lot as well, I'll user pdf...
[03:14] <faires> kpdf*
[03:14] <Jucato> faires: almost all apps w/ printing capabilities have a Print to File (PDF)
[03:14] <bazhang> pramod: hi!
[03:15] <faires> Jucato: I didn't know it...
[03:15] <Jucato> now you do :)
[03:15] <fevel> its execute as root KDE su
[03:15] <faires> Jucato: I don't have a printer... :)
[03:15] <faires> So I seldom use the print menu
[03:15] <pramod> is it necessary to install an Antivirus for Kubuntu?
[03:15] <Jucato> neither did I until  this year. but I discovered that
[03:15] <Jucato> !antivirus | pramod
[03:15] <ubotu> pramod: antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[03:15] <Jucato> !linuxvirus | pramod
[03:15] <ubotu> pramod: The short life and hard times of a Linux Virus http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> chris__: not sure where Gnome keeps its wallpapers.
[03:16] <Hirvinen> faires: I suggest that you just teach them not to fear the command line as for a task of this type it is just so much simpler.
[03:16] <pramod> thanx guys...
[03:16] <faires> Hirvinen: for that I should get over their preconcepts... I'm not a psychologist, and am not intending of becoming one... :)
[03:16] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: I think it's at gnome-look.org
[03:17] <faires> I just want them to use something better and more correct than Windows... :)
[03:17] <chris__> Ok here's a good KDE question
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: he means on his own computer
[03:17] <chris__> Oh Gnome, I was able to see my other HD, not sure how to find it with KDE
[03:17] <bazhang> chris__: shoot.
[03:18] <bazhang> chris__: system menu, storage media.
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> chris__: in the file browser, put "media:/" in the location bar
[03:19] <pramod> well Linux do not need any Antivirus programs... :D  coool
[03:20] <chris__> media:/ worked
[03:20] <chris__> could not find a "storage media" in my system menu
[03:20] <chris__> oh junk
[03:20] <chris__> can't open the drive!?
[03:20] <paule118> lirfk
[03:21] <paule118> <y
[03:21] <chris__> hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[03:21] <bazhang> chris__: my bad; I forgot that Feisty uses Konqueror as the file browser--in Gutsy it's Dolphin, Konqueror is web browser.
[03:21] <paule118> </
[03:21] <chris__> Gnome prompted me for the root pwd
[03:21] <paule118> >(
[03:21] <chris__> Konqueror is both is it not?
[03:21] <paule118> >)
[03:21] <paule118> >(
[03:21] <paule118> >>((
[03:21] <paule118> >((
[03:21] <NickPresta> !flood | paule118
[03:21] <ubotu> paule118: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:21] <paule118> dddd
[03:22] <bazhang> chris__: I'm guessing yes.
[03:22] <bazhang> ouch
[03:22] <christopher_> wow lol it exists i jus typed in #kubuntu and it is here how nifty
[03:22] <NickPresta> thanks Jucato
[03:22] <Jucato> np
[03:22] <Jucato> anyone else wanna do that? :)
[03:23] <bazhang> wow that was quick. thanks Jucato.
[03:23] <chris__> is there a better file browser than Konquerer?
[03:23] <NickPresta> heh. he must have been testing emoticons or something..
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> chris__: you mean,more like Nautilus?
[03:23] <bazhang> chris__: for feisty, not so sure.
[03:23] <ardchoille> Jucato: What? Ban annoying users? I sure do ;)
[03:23] <christopher_> dolphin?
[03:23] <Jucato> emoticons on konvi? I don't think so :)
[03:23] <Jucato> chris__: "better" is relative/subjective...
[03:23] <bazhang> Jucato: hahaha
[03:23] <chris__> darned if I know... I'll assume nautilus is the gnome file browser
[03:24] <Jucato> there are alternatives if that's what you mean
[03:24] <Jucato> yes Nautilus definitely is 100% GNOME's
[03:24] <christopher_> dolphin is easier but less powerful than konquer
[03:24] <chris__> indeed, sorry, I meant, one that would be able to access my other HD
[03:24] <Jucato> (and GNOME's alone, thank goodness!)
[03:24] <NickPresta> chris__, both Dolphin and Konqueror are good file browsers. There are alternatives available: midnight commander, xfe, krusader
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> chris__: yup... if you want something more like that, use dolphin.
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> chris__: did you try going to media:/
[03:24] <chris__> ok, where is dolphin?
[03:24] <chris__> yes I did
[03:24] <bazhang> dolphin is sweet.
[03:24] <ardchoille> !info dolphin
[03:24] <christopher_> sudo apt-get intstall dolphin
[03:24] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1251 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[03:24] <chris__> that's when I got the uid 1000 error
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> chris__: oh I hate that error.
[03:25] <Jucato> chris__: any file manager can access any of your hard drives as long as that drive is setup/mounted properly.
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> chris__: did nautilus prompt you for a password?
[03:25] <wckdkl0wn> how do i install tcl so i can compile an eggdrop?
[03:25] <Jucato> so the problem is more than the file manager...
[03:25] <Jucato> !info eggdrop
[03:25] <ubotu> eggdrop: Advanced IRC Robot. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6.18-1 (feisty), package size 461 kB, installed size 1132 kB
[03:26] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: ^^^^ don't need to compile
[03:26] <christopher_> ok i used gnome is there any configuring beyond point and click bc wow it is really restrictive
[03:26] <ardchoille> Jucato: Are universe and multiverse enabled by default in guts sources?
[03:26] <christopher_> if i want restrictions ill use xfce
[03:26] <Jucato> ardchoille: yes.
[03:26] <ardchoille> Nice
[03:26] <chris__> Yes nautilus prompted for a password
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> chris__: you can always use nautilus in KDE
[03:26] <Jucato> ardchoille: after feisty, all official repos, except -backports, are enabled
[03:27] <wckdkl0wn> Jucato, so its in the repositories then
[03:27] <christopher_> i cant wait for dec 11 \:D/
[03:27] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: definitely
[03:27] <ardchoille> Jucato: That is a good thing
[03:27] <wckdkl0wn> well that makes this easier lol
[03:27] <wckdkl0wn> ty Jucato
[03:27] <chris__> this seems like a big bug
[03:27] <bazhang> christopher_: what happens then?
[03:27] <christopher_> kde4 release date
[03:27] <chris__> is dolphin not part of the standard KDE install?
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> chris__: no, its not.
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> not in fiesty at least
[03:27] <christopher_> it will be the fm in kde 4
[03:27] <Jucato> chris__: nope
[03:27] <bazhang> christopher_: agreed.
[03:27] <wckdkl0wn> Jucato, where would i find the directory once it has installed?
[03:28] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: that I don't know. sorry
[03:28] <christopher_> its like kde loves us and is giving us a nice christmas present :)
[03:28] <bazhang> yep.
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> chris__: but dolphin won't fix that problem
[03:29] <chris__> Yep, nautilus can see it just fine
[03:29] <chris__> so should I just use nautilus?
[03:29] <christopher_> did you see what it is going to look like i stared at it for 10 mins
[03:29] <christopher_> if kde4 doesnt get users to switch idk what will
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> chris__: yeah... thats probably easiest.
[03:30] <bazhang> christopher_: kde now is really nice; kde4 will be amazing.
[03:30] <christopher_> cource it is taking alot from open darwin
[03:31] <Jucato> O.o
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> beta2 is awful....
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> what???
[03:31] <chris__> oh weird
[03:31] <bazhang> christopher_: which took from Linux/*Nix, correct?
[03:31] <chris__> after I accessed the HD with nautilus, now there's a desktop icon
[03:31] <christopher_> actually bsd
[03:31] <chris__> and it opens Konqueror, which can access the HD now
[03:32] <Jucato> KDE (4) has nothing (directly) to do with kernels
[03:32] <christopher_> bsd is a unix varient
[03:32] <christopher_> i like linux as it has a microkernel
[03:32] <christopher_> the whole 1 kernel for everything is kind of stupid
[03:33] <christopher_> and a security risc
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> chris__: lol
[03:33] <Jucato> and offtopic, I might add
[03:33] <chris__> Ah! I found the "Storage Media" menu
[03:33] <NickPresta> I've been doing a bit of research but I'm curious which Capture Card is best supported? Any suggestions?
[03:33] <NickPresta> !hardware
[03:33] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: HD5500 for sure
[03:33] <choobakab> hi guys, how do i apt-get kismet, and how do i edit the file for multiserv to get it
[03:33] <choobakab> hx
[03:33] <choobakab> hx
[03:33] <chris__> I suppose I got the "System" menu confused with the "System Menu"
[03:33] <choobakab> hi guys, how do i apt-get kismet, and how do i edit the file for multiserv to get it
[03:33] <choobakab> sorry for repeat
[03:33] <chris__> My bad
[03:33] <bazhang> chris__: great!
[03:34] <choobakab> hi guys, how do i apt-get kismet, and how do i edit the file for multiserv to get it
[03:34] <NickPresta> nosrednaekim, thanks. I'm looking at it now. It says it's specifically designed for Linux. Will it work on Windows at all?
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: dunno, but its the absolute best for Linux
[03:35] <christopher_> 99 percent of the time it is sudo apt-get install "apt-name"
[03:35] <NickPresta> nosrednaekim, okay. Is there any specific brand to stay away from? ATi? etc?
[03:35] <Jucato> christopher_: btw, Linux kernel isn't microkernel. it's monolithic
[03:35] <christopher_> replace aptname with program
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: definately not ATI ;)
[03:35] <choobakab> ok christopher_ i got that, but what is the file i need to unedit so i can get it... right now it says kismet not found..
[03:35] <choobakab> what file should i edit
[03:35] <choobakab> to be able to get kismet from a repository
[03:36] <wckdkl0wn> hrmm i cant find the eggdrop file i just installed with the repositories
[03:36] <christopher_> http://www.kismetwireless.net/
[03:36] <choobakab> well what file should i edit to remove the comment to be able to apt-get kisme
[03:36] <choobakab> tt
[03:36] <choobakab> what is the file that shiould be edited
[03:36] <christopher_> jucato sorry my bad
[03:37] <christopher_> what are you trying to do
[03:37] <christopher_> ???
[03:37] <choobakab> install kismet
[03:37] <choobakab> from ap-get
[03:37] <choobakab> but i know there is a file i need to uncomment something to be able to get kismet from repository for multiserv
[03:37] <choobakab> where is the location of this file
[03:37] <christopher_> check synaptic it is there
[03:38] <jcs7778> Is there a way to run network manager on kde insted of knetworkmanager which doesn't fulfill my needs?
[03:38] <christopher_> K>Run Command>Synaptic
[03:38] <christopher_> and click over and type in the app name
[03:38] <christopher_> i find a good 80 percent of apps here
[03:39] <choobakab> WHAT IS THE FILE I NEED TO EDIT TO BE ABLE TO RECIEVE FILES FROM UNISERV
[03:39] <choobakab> sorry for caps
[03:39] <christopher_> choobakab
[03:39] <choobakab> yeah?
[03:39] <christopher_> start synaptic
[03:39] <christopher_> its there
[03:39] <christopher_> right click install
[03:40] <RobertStuffers> !op | christopher_
[03:40] <ubotu> christopher_: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[03:40] <RobertStuffers> !ops | christopher_
[03:40] <bazhang> choobakab: I beleive you can do it from the gui; just check repositories.
[03:40] <RobertStuffers> any one using VistaLinux ?
[03:40] <choobakab> whats synaptic?
[03:40] <Jucato> christopher_: what is the problem?
[03:40] <christopher_> he wants to install an app
[03:40] <christopher_> it exists in synaptic
[03:40] <choobakab> Jucato:  i want to APT-GET kismet, but its not finding it
[03:40] <christopher_> it is a packagage handler
[03:41] <christopher_> it is under the system menu
[03:41] <choobakab> i think there is a file i need to uncomment to be able to get kismet
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> choobakab: ah... you need to enable repositories?
[03:41] <choobakab> yes
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> !repositories | choobakab
[03:41] <ubotu> choobakab: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:41] <christopher_> K>Run Command> and type in Synaptic
[03:41] <DaSkreech> RobertStuffers: Not a good use of !ops
[03:41] <Jucato> christopher_: he would be on Kubuntu right?
[03:41] <christopher_> click reload
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> christopher_: default kubuntu install does not have synaptic
[03:42] <choobakab> the system could not run "Synaptic"
[03:42] <christopher_> then why do i have it...
[03:42] <christopher_> oops
[03:42] <Jucato> choobakab: use Adept Manager
[03:42] <christopher_> sorry
[03:42] <wckdkl0wn> ok how do i install tcl?
[03:42] <christopher_> how in the world did I get synaptic....
[03:42] <christopher_> lol
[03:42] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: still trying to copmpile?
[03:42] <choobakab> what is the repository i need to add to be able to download linux
[03:42] <choobakab> someone paste me a link
[03:42] <Jucato> christopher_: did you install Ubuntu on top of Kubuntu?
[03:42] <christopher_> Kubuntu on ubuntu
[03:42] <Jucato> christopher_: there you have it
[03:42] <wckdkl0wn> yea Jucato i cant find that directory i am just gonna compile what i have
[03:43] <christopher_> ahh
[03:43] <christopher_> sorry
[03:43] <Jucato> choobakab: you just need universe
[03:43] <choobakab> what is the link
[03:43] <choobakab> can you paste me a link
[03:43] <choobakab> or how to enable uniserve
[03:44] <Jucato> !universe
[03:44] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:44] <christopher_> so is the kubuntu 7.10 tribe5 stable enough to use?
[03:44] <christopher_> or should i stick with 7.04 til it is done
[03:44] <pramod> are there third party sites where i can get new packages to add to the repositoy?
[03:44] <pramod> repository*
[03:45] <NickPresta> pramod, getdeb.net
[03:45] <NickPresta> i believe
[03:45] <Jucato> christopher_: 7.10 has been released
[03:45] <Jucato> er
[03:45] <Jucato> beta
[03:45] <pramod> u know the link which i can add?
[03:45] <Jucato> lol! I meant 7.10 beta
[03:45] <choobakab> CAN YOU PASTE ME THE LINK FOR THE UNISERV REPOSITORY
[03:45] <choobakab> PLEASE
[03:45] <Jucato> !caps | choobakab
[03:45] <christopher_> right is it stable enough? as stable as 7.04
[03:45] <Jucato> nope
[03:45] <choobakab> sorry caps my keyboard
[03:45] <ubotu> choobakab: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[03:46] <christopher_> k ty ill stick with 04 fer now
[03:46] <Jucato> you're comparing final release to beta :)
[03:46] <choobakab> sorry my keygBord sorry
[03:46] <choobakab> err
[03:46] <choobakab> so what is the link for uniserve?
[03:46] <Jucato> choobakab: <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:46] <christopher_> will reactos ever be done...
[03:46] <christopher_> lol
[03:47] <Jucato> ask them
[03:47] <jcs7778> choobakab:  as root user go into your /etc/apt/sources.list file and un comment the lines
[03:47] <jcs7778> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe
[03:47] <jcs7778> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe
[03:47] <christopher_> why didnt they use linux and all and just integrate wine and all the work they are wasting there could give Linux a real boost...
[03:47] <wers> to uncomment is to remove the # if you are not familiar
[03:48] <Jucato> christopher_: see their FAQ
[03:48] <SteamMachine> Hello Everyone!
[03:48] <choobakab> I ENAbled all the uniserve repositories from adept manger, however when i apt-get install kismet it says could not find package kismet...
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> hello SteamMachine
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> choobakab: you have to update your package lists... press the update button
[03:48] <NickPresta> choobakab, you have to `sudo apt-get update` first
[03:48] <mneptok> choobakab: sudo apt-get update
[03:49] <choobakab> k thx
[03:49] <SteamMachine> So, I was running kmplayer, when I somehow hid the menu bar. Now I'm not sure how to get it back.
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> try "ctrl+m"
[03:49] <DaSkreech> SteamMachine: Ctrl+M
[03:49] <SteamMachine> <3
[03:49] <SteamMachine> Thanks.
[03:50] <SteamMachine> Okay, seeya!
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> NP
[03:50] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Drive by helpings
[03:51] <jcs7778> Is there a way to connect to a peap network using knetworkmanager?
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> drive by questions...
[03:51] <bazhang> hahaha
[03:52] <jcs7778> It works fine under gnome networkmanager but the gnome desktop sucks i really don't want to have to switch to gnome to use my wireless connecton
[03:53] <Jucato> knetworkmanager uses the same backend application as gnome networkmanager...
[03:54] <DaSkreech> which is networkmanager :)
[03:54] <bazhang> jcs7778: are you using it on an encrypted network?
[03:55] <jcs7778> It's a university encrypted wpa network that also needs my student id and password as an extra levle of security
[03:55] <choobakab> HOW DO I KDESU a file to be able to edit it with Kate?
[03:55] <jcs7778> it works fine on networkmanager under gnome but i can't figure it out at all on the kde side
[03:56] <choobakab> HOW DO I KDESU a file to be able to edit it with Kate?
[03:56] <tekstacy> What is the command to reconfigure x?
[03:56] <Hirvinen> Alt+F2 -> kdesu kate file
[03:57] <Hirvinen> Or just kate and open it from there.
[03:57] <tekstacy> and do I use sudo with dpkg?
[03:57] <wers> !ksync gutsy
[03:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksync gutsy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:58] <wers> !ksync
[03:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksync - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:58] <nzk_> I tried running beryl-manager, which killed my window system. I ssh'd in and kill -9'd it, and uninstalled beryl-manager, but how do I get my window system back? I know in GNOME it's 'emerald', but I don't know what it's called in KDE.
[03:58] <jcs7778> kwin --replace
[03:58] <nzk_> Alright, thanks.
[03:59] <Jucato> !xconfig | tekstacy
[03:59] <ubotu> tekstacy: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[03:59] <Hirvinen> tekstacy: With any command that needs root privileges, just precede it with sudo, or if the program is graphical, use kdesu (or gksu).
[03:59] <nzk_> Nevermind, that didn't work. It says it cannot connect to X server.
[03:59] <tekstacy> jucato, thanks
[03:59] <tekstacy> Hirvinen, thanks
[04:00] <jcs7778> oh, your in the terminal only nzk did you try startx?
[04:00] <nzk_> jcs7778: I'm ssh'd in using another machine.
[04:01] <tekstacy> Still kind of new here.
[04:01] <nzk_> I did startx to no avail.
[04:01] <nzk_> Should I just reboot?
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> nzk_: ctrl+alt+bckspce doesn't work?
[04:02] <nzk_> Forgot about that, thanks.
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> nzk_: question...., do you have dektop icons hidden?
[04:07] <jcs7778> bazhang:  It's a university encrypted wpa network that also needs my student id and password as an extra levle of security on the gnome side of the system is see an extra set of fields where i can input the password and id and ive tried it and it works but a similar thing doesn't happen on the kde side.
[04:08] <bazhang> jcs7778: well, then I would stick with the GNOME for now; you're on Feisty, correct?
[04:08] <jcs7778> yeah!
[04:09] <bazhang> jcs7778: maybe add some blue wallpaper...
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> or maybe you could run the gnome networkmanager
[04:09] <jcs7778> could try that :-)
[04:09] <tekstacy> can I be logged in twice (local and remote)?
[04:10] <tekstacy> I'm having trouble connecting to my desktop
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> tekstacy: yeah.. you can
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> tekstacy: you can even login twice locally
[04:11] <tekstacy> cool. Thanks
[04:14] <intelikey> someone op me.
[04:15] <quixogre> that work intelikey?
[04:16] <jcs7778> so no other suggestions about the network thing? Shouldn't you guies be trying your hardes to find a solution to my problem in kde insted of telling me to make gnome look like kde?
[04:16] <intelikey> /ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:16] <intelikey> no guess not.
[04:17] <quixogre> jcs7778: when your entering your username and PW in knetworkmanager try adding @domainname.edu or whatever their domain name is. add that to the username part. see if it works
[04:17] <intelikey> gone
[04:17] <quixogre> damn. i knew the answer to that problem too
[04:18] <quixogre> intelikey who you kickin'? and why?
[04:18] <intelikey> no one obviously.  i'm not an oper
[04:19] <quixogre> hehe lemme rephrase...who were you TRYING to ban?
[04:19] <intelikey> that's my ip.
[04:19] <bazhang> haha
[04:19] <mneptok> intelikey: need some help?
[04:19] <mneptok> :)
[04:19] <quixogre> nice...lucky for you you werent actually op then huh?
[04:21] <intelikey> mneptok well if i was banned from the channel.   i wouldn't come here.......
[04:21] <Jucato> but I don't do assisted suicide so....
[04:21] <quixogre> okies. afk again. playing command and conquer on the other PC atm
[04:21] <NickPresta> intelikey, why do you want to leave us? :)
[04:22] <quixogre> if i could find an RTS similar to command and conquer, i'd give up windows altogether
[04:22] <intelikey> just tired i guess.
[04:22] <ses59_> i am using 64bit and can not get gnash to work on one web site that uses flash player any other ideals that might get it to work?
[04:22] <Jucato> !flash64
[04:22] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[04:23] <jtt> intelikey has been banned why?
[04:23] <jtt> is jucato the current monitor?
[04:24] <mneptok> jtt: for not reading backscroll carefully
[04:24] <jtt> just got on no backscroll at this time
[04:25] <Jucato> jtt: if he were banned, you wouldn't be able to see him here or read his messages...
[04:25] <NickPresta> and the world would implode ;)
[04:25] <jtt> Jucato, ok that makes me feel better as he often appears to have a lot of answers
[04:26] <intelikey> NickPresta lol
[04:26] <quixogre> if intelikey werent here, i'd have to find someone else to bug me about switching nicks in chat
[04:26] <intelikey> jtt yeah my mama told me to try to always make a good false impression
[04:26] <intelikey> or was that first impression  ???
[04:27] <mneptok> quixogre: i'll happily oblige
[04:27] <jtt> intelikey, you ar doing a fine job :)
[04:27] <intelikey> :)
[04:27] <quixogre> quiet night...someone yank their video card out while the PC is runnin. i need soemthing to fix
[04:27] <mneptok> quixogre: when you start changing pants on a crowded street every time your cell phone rings you can start changing nicks when /away
[04:27] <quixogre> lol mneptok thanks i think
[04:27] <Jucato> aw.. moral boost day for intelikey :)
[04:28] <Jucato> er.. morale*
[04:28] <newsense07> anyone know where i can get libdvdcss2 for kubuntu ?
[04:28] <NickPresta> !dvd | newsense07
[04:28] <ubotu> newsense07: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:28] <intelikey> Jucato just op me....  i'll stop it.
[04:28] <quixogre> mneptok i was arrested in brest france for that EXACT thing...so does that mean im allowed to change nicks now??
[04:28] <Jucato> no way :P
[04:28] <newsense07> NickPresta: thanks
[04:29] <mneptok> quixogre: i said "crowded." Brest has a population of what ... 47?  ;)
[04:29] <jtt> is Jucato the current channel boss?
[04:29] <quixogre> mneptok: lol hey it was crowded...there was even a queue of people trying to get into a dance club
[04:30] <intelikey> jtt he's one...
[04:30] <NickPresta> Jucato, is THE boss
[04:30] <NickPresta> lol
[04:30] <tzanger> development question for the kubuntu folk... if I get a corefile for a crashed application, is it possible to download the -debug variants of the libs and apply the symbols to the stripped libs that generated the core file?
[04:30] <jtt> intelikey, ok i am not really familiar with that structure and i am learning
[04:30] <Jucato> O.o
[04:31] <jtt> how would i list all the channel bosses?
[04:31] <quixogre> its amazing. i think of myself as a well-spoken, rational human being. but i get overseas, and suddenly become a loud abusive american ass...i think its something they put in the beer
[04:31] <Jucato> tzanger: if it's a KDE app, there usually are -dbg packages for them... but I believe there's a new system now for installing debugging symbols
[04:31] <tzanger> quixogre: haha
[04:31] <intelikey> jtt what ever you do,  don't call ubotu as  !ops
[04:31] <tzanger> Jucato: ok, I know fedora puts the symbols in a separate package and leaves the stabs alone
[04:32] <Jucato> tzanger: same here
[04:32] <jtt> intelikey, ah, just what i wanted to know, i knew there was some  o p s  or  c o p s command we were not suppose to use unless there was real trouble, thanks
[04:33] <intelikey> yw
[04:33] <stdin> intelikey: you know some of us have a highlight just on the command too ;)
[04:33] <quixogre> anyone here old enough to remember BOFH?
[04:33] <jtt> i accidentally used it one night and got my had slapped, but not banned
[04:33] <XenThraL> quixogre: from what I hear of american beer, maybe the thing they put in that other beer overseas is 'alcohol', that you're not used to
[04:33] <intelikey> stdin yeah... i knew that.  :)
[04:34] <intelikey> and if it's taboo to say ops the i guess the ops will just have to ban me for saying ops  :)
[04:34] <quixogre> XenThraL: i gave up drinking american beer when i was 18...but yer right. couldnt POSSIBLY be due to overconsumption...
[04:34] <mneptok> quixogre: i'm old enough to remember Lily Tomlin's Ernestine
[04:34] <stdin> intelikey: not "ops", with the '!'
[04:35] <quixogre> lol mneptok...thats old...
[04:35] <intelikey> oh you mean !ops    no i didn't know that you had changed that.
[04:35] <apetrescu> c
[04:35] <mneptok> quixogre: i was bort during the LBJ administration. missed JFK by a few months.
[04:35] <Jucato> ok good stdin's here
[04:35] <Jucato> exit stage left
[04:35] <stdin> intelikey: helps if ubotu dies for some reason
[04:35] <intelikey> true.
[04:36] <intelikey> heh and if ubuntu dies that reason is probably why you are being called at the time...
[04:36] <stdin> Jucato: I awoke to the sound of my laptop screaming at me. re: #ubuntu
[04:36] <quixogre> hehe all this chatter of "ops" made me think about bofh...that guy was my idol in high school
[04:36] <mneptok> oh dear god.
[04:37] <intelikey> mneptok remember the betles daybue ?
[04:37] <BluesKaj> mneptok, i was 20 when JFK was assassinated , so maybe you don't feel sp old now :)
[04:37] <quixogre> everyone else was all about the "hackers" craze. not me. i wanted REAL power ;)
[04:38] <DaSkreech> quixogre: I could install Vista. Want to fix that?
[04:38] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, there is no fix, only death
[04:38] <quixogre> DaSkreech: thats like intentionally putting a virus on your PC. why would you do it?
[04:39] <BluesKaj> i was in Toronto on labour day weekend in 1964 when the Beatles did their first Canadian gigs ...
[04:39] <tzanger> HACK THE PLANET!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK THE PLAAAAAAAAAAANETTTT!!!
[04:39] <tzanger> I hacked a sweet gibson the other night...
[04:39] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, Toronto is awesome >_>
[04:39] <BluesKaj> I'm not a liar intelikey , just old :)
[04:40] <tzanger> ... no, Toronto is not awesome
[04:40] <intelikey> i said which ever applied
[04:40] <tzanger> I am stuck in Markham right now
[04:40] <Jucato> tzanger: please drop the caps
[04:40] <BluesKaj> yeah NickPresta , you live there , don't you .
[04:40] <intelikey> one never knows.  this is  IRC where men are men....
[04:40] <tzanger> Jucato: but it makes the movie so much mroe intense :-)
[04:40] <NickPresta> I live in the GTA, yep. Not in downtown Toronto
[04:40] <BluesKaj> ok
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: Grand Touring Automobile?
[04:41] <BluesKaj> I'm near Manitoulin Island , just a small town
[04:41] <quixogre> i heard vista doesnt allow dual booting...anyone able to confirm or deny?
[04:41] <NickPresta> nosrednaekim, indeed! ;)
[04:41] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Oldest
[04:41] <BluesKaj> quixogre, no there are ways around the dual boot prob with vista
[04:41] <intelikey> DaSkreech i'm not old.
[04:42] <quixogre> BluesKaj: but vista did try to make it so you couldnt...correct?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj is
[04:42] <intelikey> i just got out of high school....
[04:42] <intelikey> err  ummm
[04:42] <intelikey> 30 years ago ???
[04:43] <quixogre> met my second wife online...in an AOL chat room
[04:43] <BluesKaj>  BCD (Boot Configuration Data) is for dual booting

[04:43] <mneptok> quixogre: did she turn out to be a dudeL
[04:43] <mneptok> ?
[04:43] <quixogre> ironically, we divorced because i was always online..
[04:43] <quixogre> mneptok: god i hope not. we had sex lots
[04:43] <stdin> erm
[04:43] <stdin> !ot
[04:43] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:43] <intelikey> mneptok heh
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy
[04:44] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:44] <quixogre> sorry
[04:44] <BluesKaj> mneptok, francophone superiority complex eh ...that's a contradiction in terms :)
[04:44] <mneptok> BluesKaj: i didn't say "well-deserved" ;)
[04:45] <quixogre> i think my next wifes gonna be asian...i wanna learn chinese
[04:46] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: We can't say sex?
[04:46] <intelikey> so you want to know chinese...
[04:46] <DaSkreech> quixogre: fascinating discussion can you continue it in #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[04:46] <quixogre> DaSkreech: its a linux support channel...most of us dont know what it means
[04:46] <BluesKaj> quixogre, http://apcmag.com/5046/how_to_dual_boot_vista_with_linux_vista_installed_first
[04:46] <stdin> DaSkreech: "Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly." < see the word "topic" in there ;)
[04:47] <DaSkreech> yeah but that was covered by !ot already
[04:47] <hydrogen> can you really have DE-centric offtopic?
[04:47] <hydrogen> sounds like a stretch to me :)
[04:48] <quixogre> hydrogen. so we dont intermingle with those pesky gnome users...
[04:48] <intelikey> gnomes are short.
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> and slave away for Santa...

[04:48] <nosrednaekim> dummies.
[04:49] <hydrogen> quixogre: well, yes.. I can see how we'd want to preserve the blood of the master race
[04:49] <quixogre> if gdm, and kdm users conferred. someone might figure out they're extremely similar...would RUIN years of gentle rivalry
[04:49] <demon_spork> how do I get the webinterface working in ktorrent?  it says that the php executable is no in the path
[04:49] <intelikey> i'm with hydrogen lets protect the human race.
[04:50] <intelikey> no gnomes allowed.
[04:50] <DaSkreech> hydrogen: there is also ##oftopic
[04:50] <bazhang> demon_spork:  Feisty? I think you need to upgrade to the latest version (should be over 2.14).
[04:50] <hydrogen> there are a huge amout of offtopic channels
[04:50] <bazhang> and this is one of them...
[04:51] <quixogre> okies. enough room disruption for now. im heading back to Command & Conquer
[04:51] <DaSkreech> hydrogen: there needs to be multiple ones in case someone gets ontopic in there
[04:51] <intelikey> demon_spork no php executable in the path...   it is possable that php is not installed.
[04:51] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: Santa was programmed with too high standards .. for gnomes
[04:52] <DaSkreech> So everyone is naughty
[04:52] <demon_spork> bazhang, I installed from feisty-backports because the current version crashes frequently when DHT is turned on.  I may have solved it, I found that I may have to install php5-cli to make it work
[04:52] <DaSkreech> quixogre: There was a C&C clone on happypenguin.org
[04:53] <bazhang> demon_spork: I had that very same problem; ended up going with deluge-- a much superior torrent client.
[04:53] <BluesKaj> well sacktime for old guys ...nite all, take care :)
[04:53] <stragee> anyone figured out how to get the x-fi 64bit drivers working?
[04:54] <mneptok> bazhang: i hate to disagree, but Ktorrent is far more mature and feature complete than is Deluge
[04:54] <NickPresta> recent versions of KTorrent are awesome. And their devs are really helpful
[04:54] <bazhang> demon_spork: if you really must use ktorrent, then there is a workaround; I believe it's to enable dht, quit ktorrent, then restart it, and don't touch the dht again.
[04:55] <bazhang> Of course ktorrent is awesome; but around 2.1.. it got very iffy; just wanted to get away from Santa..oops.
[04:56] <demon_spork> bazhang, feisty-backports version works fine
[04:56] <mneptok> demon_spork: what is the goal? a torrent client you can control from anywhere?
[04:56] <demon_spork> yes
[04:56] <demon_spork> and a bandwidth scheduler is also required
[04:56] <mneptok> demon_spork: i recommend bittornado + ssh
[04:56] <mneptok> it's what we use for releases
[04:56] <intelikey>  S S H
[04:57] <intelikey>  S S H </chant>
[04:57] <ubuntu_> hi.i reinstall xp and chage where the linux hdd was conected now i; trying to get back the grub but it4s not working
[04:57] <intelikey> !grub
[04:57] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:58] <bazhang> demon_spork: try rtorrent, a walkthrough is here: kmandla.wordpress.com
[04:58] <intelikey> ubuntu_ you will also need to edit your /etc/fstab if you are not using UUID's for the root fs
[04:58] <stragee> so no one has tried the 64bit drivers for x-fi yet?
[04:58] <demon_spork> stragee, it is out!!!!
[04:58] <stragee> yeap
[04:58] <demon_spork> stragee, does that also mean there is a 32 bit driver?
[04:59] <demon_spork> when did it come out
[04:59] <stragee> not yet - the driver is available now
[04:59] <stragee> err rather the 32-bit version is not available, but the 64-bit is available now
[04:59] <demon_spork> rawr
[04:59] <intelikey> that's what i thought he said
[05:00] <stragee> i'm just not good with compiling - and apparently there is a homemade patch for it, but I can't seem to find directions that made sence
[05:00] <demon_spork> a friend of mine is stuck on windows because of that card, now I can get him to convert to Linux!!!  I will even install the driver for him
[05:01] <intelikey> x-fi ?
[05:01] <stragee> i'm running kubuntu atm and loving it ;), no sound yet though
[05:02] <stragee> x-fi is a soundcard brand created by a company called "Creative"
[05:02] <intelikey> i only turn sound on when i want to hear something.
[05:02] <stragee> =)
[05:03] <district> have a question
[05:03] <intelikey> so x-fi is next generation of  sb  ?
[05:03] <stragee> aye
[05:03] <intelikey> k
[05:04] <district> who's support guy?
[05:04] <district> here
[05:04] <NickPresta> intelikey, I believe the card is "endorsed" by Fatal1ty, a pro gamer, as it boasts being one the best quality cards
[05:04] <Jucato> !ask | district
[05:04] <ubotu> district: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:04] <stragee> i was really hoping someone here would be able to give me a step by step on setting up this x-fi driver hehe
[05:04] <intelikey> NickPresta sounds like next gen. sb   <knods>
[05:06] <intelikey> district does it matter who?    just describe the issue concisely and explain the desired end,   you'll get an answer.
[05:06] <district> Ok, what's equivalent to ctrl-alt-delete in windows for kubuntu ?
[05:06] <intelikey> ctrl-alt-esc
[05:07] <intelikey> maybe.
[05:07] <Jucato> district: try Ctrl+Esc too
[05:07] <district> ok, good
[05:07] <intelikey> yes  Ctrl+Esc too
[05:07] <Jucato> intelikey: Ctrl+Alt+Esc brings up only xkill....
[05:07] <Jucato> ctrl+alt+del in windows brings up the running processes table
[05:07] <intelikey> Jucato true.   was just thinking of killing blah not listing them...
[05:08] <Jucato> plus a few other stuff, which would be the equivalent of KSysGuard
[05:08] <district> yeah, i need that
[05:08] <mneptok> Jucato: useless if X dies. or remotely. or in another DE.
[05:08] <Jucato> you threw mneptok?!?! O.o
[05:09] <intelikey> mneptok he did specify  kde
[05:09] <Jucato> mneptok: true.. but you wouldn't press Ctrl+Alt+Del in tty and expect  a window to pop up right? :)
[05:09] <mneptok> i'd use the tool that's right for the job. that's a CLI process viewer.
[05:09] <intelikey> district don't worry,   we do this all the time....
[05:09] <Jucato> yep
[05:10] <Jucato> if you're confused... blame stdin
[05:10] <mneptok> district: are you scared of a terminal?
[05:10] <intelikey> lol
[05:10] <district> so what would bring process viewer and halt?
[05:10] <intelikey> and call the !ops about it   lol
[05:10] <stdin> please /msg Jucato  for all your needs :)
[05:10] <mneptok> district: also, if you're confused, ask stdin to explain everything.
[05:10] <mneptok> district: are you scared of a terminal?
[05:10] <intelikey> district Ctrl+Esc
[05:11] <district> what u mean?
[05:11] <Jucato> mneptok: aw you're confusing him now :P
[05:11] <district> oh it works
[05:12] <intelikey> see
[05:12] <district> cool
[05:12] <intelikey> he told you...
[05:12] <intelikey> you thought i was going to take credit for that Jucato ?
[05:12] <district> thanks
[05:12] <Jucato> intelikey: fine by me actually
[05:12] <NickPresta> goodnight #kubuntu
[05:12] <Jucato> by head's vista enough as it is :)
[05:13] <intelikey> lol
[05:13] <intelikey> NickPresta
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Night
[05:14] <mneptok> district: are       you          scared         of           a           terminal?
[05:14] <intelikey> district if Jucato wont say it i will,  you're welcome
[05:14] <ubuntu_> Jucato: its me
[05:14] <Jucato> it's who?
[05:14] <ubuntu_> Jucato: pikachu ><
[05:14] <Jucato> O.o
[05:15] <ubuntu_> loool
[05:15] <RobertStuffers> kubuntu is dah BomB
[05:15] <intelikey> have you walked your pikachu today ?
[05:15] <district> sorry don't know much
[05:15] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: I choose you!
[05:15] <ubuntu_> o.O
[05:16] <usser> damn its like all offtopic on every ubuntu channel ))
[05:16] <intelikey> ubuntu_ are you still haveing issues with grub ?
[05:16] <ubuntu_> ok fun over i trying to recover my grub here
[05:16] <DaSkreech> usser: Hmm?
[05:16] <ubuntu_> yes
[05:16] <DaSkreech> !grub | ubuntu_
[05:16] <ubotu> ubuntu_: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:16] <intelikey> usser this is offnight, didn't you get the memo ?
[05:16] <ubuntu_> i got the page allredy
[05:16] <usser> intelikey: oh really, dang it, working overtime again
[05:17] <usser> mm
[05:17] <usser> offnight is offtopic night or night off?
[05:17] <district> weird names huh?
[05:17] <Jucato> it ends now
[05:18] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[05:18] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech
[05:18] <intelikey> ubuntu_  you can see a list of partitions with either of two commands     sudo fdisk -l      or   cat /proc/partitions     you will have to install grub for the new address.
[05:18] <ubuntu_> intelikey:  DaSkreech this is wa i get wen i try to recover the grub http://pastebin.com/m54278693
[05:19] <Hobbsee> thanks mneptok
[05:19] <ubuntu_> first my xp wasnt in master had to chainge that
[05:19] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: What's the problem with that problem?
[05:20] <mneptok> Hobbsee: for you? the moon. or maybe a glow-in-the-dark moon sticker.
[05:20] <district> another Q:  i deleted adept manger and now i can't get it to show up in xmenu
[05:20] <Hobbsee> mneptok: :)
[05:20] <Jucato> district: how did you delete it exactly?
[05:21] <ubuntu_> intelikey: why will i use sudo fdisk -l zhen i can just go in sys settings... too see the;
[05:21] <ubuntu_> m
[05:21] <district> i'm not sure
[05:21] <elecninja> Did you detete the shortcut?
[05:21] <district> i tried to reinstall it but won't show it in xmenu
[05:21] <bazhang> district: you can always use the terminal.
[05:21] <intelikey> ubuntu_ no reason.   i'm just being dumb i guess
[05:21] <ElecNinja> Maybe run "adept_installer" in the command line to see what happens
[05:22] <Jucato> district: press Alt+F2, and type in "adept_manager" or "adept_installer"
[05:22] <Jucato> if they run, it means the program is still there, just not in your K Menu
[05:22] <district> hold it - i 'll try and see
[05:23] <ubuntu_> Jucato: me?
[05:23] <Jucato> no, district
[05:23] <ubuntu_> Jucato: pikachu ><
[05:23] <intelikey> ubuntu_ but suffer me a bit more dumbness,   mount your root file system on /target and do   sudo grub-install --root /target hda
[05:24] <ubuntu_> intelikey: lol
[05:24] <district> ah, it works again
[05:24] <district> cool
[05:24] <bazhang> intelikey: what would the command be for an external sata drive?
[05:24] <district> how did that happen
[05:24] <intelikey> bazhang to do what with it ?
[05:25] <DaSkreech> !br
[05:25] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[05:25] <mneptok> intelikey: make it higher capacity
[05:25] <bazhang> to add an external linux install to grub
[05:25] <mneptok> intelikey: like, what's the command to make my 250GB PATA internal drive a 750GB eSATA drive with enclosure?
[05:25] <drarem> what is this gconf-editor, it reminds me of the registry editor in windoze due to its database-ic nature
[05:26] <intelikey> bazhang if grub is already installed you just edit your menu.lst   normally found in /boot/grub    and use the UUID of the filesystem
[05:26] <bazhang> intelikey: sorry, to add an external install of Linux on a SATA drive to the existing GRUB menu. Thanks!
[05:26] <district> so then how do one pt adept manger into xmenu?
[05:26] <Jucato> drarem: that's the only thing it has in common with registry editor. the looks and way you use it
[05:26] <DaSkreech> drarem: Yeah kinda. but that's a gnome question
[05:27] <Jucato> drarem: gconf-editor is a GNOME utility to handle GNOME config files. might want to ask in #ubuntu for more info
[05:27] <mneptok> drarem: i thought the same thing when i saw the space shuttle. i was like, "DAMN! WHEELS! just like my chariot!"
[05:27] <intelikey> bazhang you "might" need to add an entry in /boot/grub/device.map  too
[05:27] <drarem> ok thanks
[05:27] <drarem> yea, only you need team of pegasus to pull the chariot into space
[05:28] <intelikey> when it rains it pours
[05:28] <mneptok> drarem: Microsoft promises that in an upcoming service pack
[05:28] <Jucato> ...
[05:28] <district> so then how do one put adept manger into xmenu?
[05:28] <RobertStuffers> !offtopic
[05:28] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:28] <intelikey> when it reigns we poors
[05:29] <Jucato> district: right-click on the K Menu icon and select Menu Editor
[05:29] <ubuntu_> intelikey: which i had to mount to /target the xp or linux?
[05:29] <RobertStuffers> anyone plays UrT on kubuntu ?
[05:29] <intelikey> the linux
[05:29] <district> got it, then what?
[05:30] <RobertStuffers> linux says that kde is the real deal for a dev to work ;D
[05:30] <intelikey> i guess everyone will streighten up now that the doctor is back....
[05:31] <Jucato> offtopic RobertStuffers
[05:31] <mneptok> exclamationpoint Jucato
[05:31] <ubuntu_> intelikey: did thqt it give ;e so;e funny thing qbout help
[05:31] <Jucato> mneptok: I'm giving the bot a break... just so as not to state something he himself triggered earlier :)
[05:32] <Jucato> and btw, exclamationpointandpipe :)
[05:32] <RobertStuffers> Jucato: your mind is offtopic
[05:32] <stragee> anyone here familiar with compiling drivers?
[05:32] <intelikey> ubuntu_ man grub-install   and check the switch    i know there is a single letter switch  just don't recall off hand.
[05:32] <Jucato> RobertStuffers: it isn't. but you are. so please stop it or leave. thank you
[05:32] <RobertStuffers> isnt it the same as other software ?
[05:32] <intelikey> ubuntu_ i.e.  --root   may not be correct.
[05:32] <bazhang> intelikey: thanks!
[05:32] <mneptok> RobertStuffers: do you see clouds on the horizon?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: please stop trolling.  now.
[05:33] <bazhang> good night all! tha nks for the help!
[05:33] <RobertStuffers> Jucato: ill leave just after your depart
[05:33] <stragee> i'm really new at compiling and could use some help ;)
[05:33] <Jucato> sorry. that won't happen at all
[05:33] <stdin> Jucato is *forever*
[05:33] <Jucato> hehe
[05:33] <intelikey> long libe Jucato
[05:33] <intelikey> v
[05:34] <RobertStuffers> long live ME
[05:34] <Jucato> RobertStuffers: please follow the IRC guidelines and behave. final warning
[05:34] <Hobbsee> [13:32]  <mneptok> chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga
[05:34] <mneptok> :)
[05:35] <RobertStuffers> Jucato: is your boss ?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> no.  technically, i'm probably his.
[05:35] <stdin> all your bases are belong to Jucato
[05:35] <Jucato> :)
[05:35] <intelikey> :)
[05:35] <drarem> that is so early 2000's
  and counting
[05:35] <drarem> pre-blog era
[05:35] <Jucato> intelikey: please ignore what's happening and continue helping ubuntu_ :)
[05:36] <stdin> (except for base 2, that's intelikey's)
[05:36] <RobertStuffers> drarem: its not 2000 its y2k
[05:36] <Jucato> (underscore 2)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> !offtopic | RobertStuffers
[05:36] <ubotu> RobertStuffers: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:36] <ubuntu_> im lost
[05:36] <Jucato> ok, just to be fair, no more offtopic
[05:36] <intelikey> Jucato he didn't say anything else...    and i don't have grub on this box  so i can't check the man page for him.
[05:36] <stragee> can anyone officially support me with compiling a driver? hehe
[05:36] <Jucato> me wonders if stdin could assist.. wrist starting to hurt again..
[05:37] <ubuntu_> stdin: pikachu ><
[05:37] <Hobbsee> bye then :D
[05:37] <Jucato> darn I didn't get to do it :P
[05:37] <drarem> this gconf-editor prevented me from seeing my trashcan on my desktop, had to change the setting to see and use it - while under KDE
[05:37] <mneptok> and here's the rain. ;)
[05:37] <stdin> afaik "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/target/boot " should do it
[05:37] <Jucato> er..rain or train... O.o
[05:38] <Jucato> drarem: why would it? they don't have the same desktop rules/settings
[05:38] <intelikey> ubuntu_ there is another way.    you can run a grub shell and set the  root <your linux root>    install (hd0)
[05:38] <mneptok> Jucato: the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain trains
[05:38] <Jucato> heheh :)
[05:38] <Hobbsee> mneptok: but there was no rain when we were there!
[05:38] <mneptok> Hobbsee: you make the sky stop crying.
[05:38] <ubuntu_> i give up ill just reinstall linux
[05:38] <drarem> don't know, maybe i'm not running pure kde
[05:38] <Jucato> yikes
[05:38] <ubuntu_> stdin: xp
[05:38] <intelikey> some one please give me opps !
[05:39] <mneptok> Hobbsee: which nicely offsets your ability to make the earth fart
[05:39] <ubuntu_> ???
[05:39] <drarem> they have merged and are living in a symbiotic stage
[05:39] <Jucato> drarem: maybe you're running KDE apps on GNOME... or maybe GNOME is your primary  running desktop
[05:39] <stdin> ubuntu_: I don't dual-boot with windows, so I'm not sure about that
[05:39] <ubuntu_> lol ops fight
[05:39] <Hobbsee> nah..
[05:40] <drarem> something must not be right then, I tried other desktops, went back to kde
[05:40] <ubuntu_> o.O
[05:41] <rickey> #kubuntu
[05:42] <ubuntu_> sorry
[05:42] <Jucato> O.o
[05:42] <intelikey> ubuntu_ ok,  i installed grub just to check the man page for you.     it's not  --root   it is   --root-directory   use that   it will work
[05:42] <ubuntu_> login out to reinstall linux
[05:43] <rickey> hello everyone
[05:43] <Jucato> hello
[05:43] <intelikey> surely you could have ran   man grub-install   and seen that....
[05:43] <rickey> how are you doing tonigth
[05:44] <intelikey> rickey don't ask.   it wont hurt.
[05:44] <rickey> that bad
[05:44] <rickey>  hummmmm ive have a good day
[05:45] <intelikey> me too, but i came in here and got over it real quick.
[05:45] <rickey> hey everyday is a good day as long as kubuntu kick,s butt
[05:45] <ubuntu_> intelikey: it still give me a unny help thing
[05:46] <intelikey> ubuntu_  ls -ld /target/boot    for me please
[05:46] <rickey> anyday without bill gates , is a good day
[05:47] <drarem> wonder what would have happened if nerdy bill gates would have been beaten up that day and never developed windows.. would it be an apple world?
[05:47] <ubuntu_> intelikey: command not found
[05:47] <Dr_willis> apple is its own worst enemy.. we would be using Apple4's by now. :)
[05:47] <drarem> apple and amiga
[05:47] <intelikey> intelikey shouldn't be a command.
[05:47] <Dr_willis> Amiga WAS its own worst enemy.. such potential...
[05:47] <intelikey> ubuntu_  that's lower case   L S
[05:48] <rickey> nope linux would have came to the top of the heap  long time ago
[05:48] <ubuntu_> intelikey: u qre giving me some crazy command
[05:48] <intelikey> ok i'll quit.
[05:48] <ubuntu_> lol
[05:48] <intelikey> no big deal.   let someone else take over.
[05:49] <ubuntu_> im just going to reinstal no biggee
[05:49] <district_> anyone here, i need more help with the menu editor
[05:49] <pillowpants> whats your favorite test based browser
[05:49] <pillowpants> text*
[05:49] <intelikey> what ever works for you ubuntu_
[05:49] <rickey> i am going dsl in a few day
[05:49] <rickey> ife is good
[05:49] <Jucato> district_: what seems to be the problem?
[05:49] <rickey> life is good
[05:50] <intelikey> pillowpants for file  or web ?
[05:50] <district_> hey jucato i'm new to this
[05:50] <pillowpants> www
[05:50] <ubuntu_> intelikey: befor i reinstaal how do i get to see my desktop?
[05:50] <intelikey> elinks
[05:50] <hydrogen> mine is dog
[05:50] <pillowpants> internet browser i should have mentioned
[05:50] <ubuntu_> intelikey: it have a lock on it
[05:50] <intelikey> ubuntu_ idk.
[05:50] <district_> i tried what you said
[05:50] <Jucato> district_: ok let's check first. when you open the K Menu,do you see an Add/Remove Programs there?
[05:50] <intelikey> ubuntu_ maybe someone else can help.
[05:50] <district_> but it crashed
[05:50] <Jucato> district_: let's check first what you're missing
[05:51] <hydrogen> dog is easily the best text based browser
[05:51] <district_> i'm missing adept manager
[05:51] <Jucato> district_: click on the K Menu  System
[05:51] <intelikey> pillowpants elinks    incase you missed it.
[05:51] <ubuntu_> Jucato: my file have a lock on it how do i get in to see wq is there
[05:51] <ubuntu_> ?
[05:51] <Jucato> district_: adept Manager isn't there?
[05:51] <district_> i did
[05:51] <pillowpants> intelikey : ill check it
[05:51] <district_> no not there
[05:51] <pillowpants> i was using lynx, but it seemed sort of limiting
[05:52] <intelikey> pillowpants links2 can do text or pickies  with the  -g switch.
[05:52] <district_> so i right clik and
[05:52] <district_> in menu editor
[05:52] <Jucato> district_: ok so let's do it this way. right-click on the K Menu, select Menu Editor
[05:52] <intelikey> pillowpants but lacks ssl support  and elinks does ssl
[05:52] <district_> i go into system
[05:53] <district_> in menu editor
[05:53] <Jucato> district_: then go select the System submenu and click on the New icon (or File -> New Item)
[05:53] <district_> ok
[05:53] <intelikey> pillowpants with svgalibs you can view pictures even vidios with vlc   in the console   no X needed
[05:54] <Jucato> district_: you should now have a blank entry there. put in these information
[05:54] <pillowpants> intelikey : whoa, i didnt know that
[05:54] <intelikey> now you do.
[05:54] <pillowpants> videos in the console is not something i thought was possible
[05:54] <Jucato> district_: Name: Adept Manager. Description: Manage Packages. Command: adept_manager.
[05:54] <district_> do i type adept manager there?
[05:54] <Jucato> district_: then enable these 2 options: [ ]  Enable launch feedback and [ ]  Run as a different user
[05:55] <intelikey> pillowpants i hardly ever start X   it's not even installed on this box.
[05:55] <Jucato> district_: got that?
[05:56] <district_> why do i check run as different user?
[05:56] <district_> yes
[05:56] <Jucato> district_: so that it will run it as admin
[05:56] <pillowpants> intelikey : so you just work from console?
[05:56] <Jucato> district_: "run as a different user" without a given user name will run the app as admin/root
[05:56] <district_> it does?
[05:56] <pillowpants> intelikey : what sort of things do you use your comp for? just programming?
[05:57] <Jucato> district_: you can click on the icon box and search for the adept manager icon
[05:57] <district_> oh i see
[05:57] <Jucato> district_: then save it. and you're good to go
[05:57] <Jucato> district_: remember the command should be "adept_manager" (w/ underscore)
[05:57] <district_> oh allright,  thanks
[05:58] <intelikey> pillowpants yeah,    and you will be asking, so i'll just answer.    you need svgalibs  and  vlc-plugin-svgalib   have to configure svgalibs in /etc/vga/*    then just   /usr/bin/vlc.real -V svgalib <vidio_file_name>
[05:58] <district_> i'll see if it works, kind of complicated
[05:58] <intelikey> you get one console with full screen vidio and the others are normal.
[06:00] <intelikey> pillowpants i don't "program"  that's the kind of thing Jucato does,  i just write scripts,  manipulate files, gather info, and such.
[06:00] <district_> anyway, thanks, it seems to work jucato, thanks
[06:01] <intelikey> and annoy people in #kubuntu with offtopic chatter
[06:01] <Jucato> s/manipulate files/manipulate people/
[06:01] <hydrogen> Jucato: die!
[06:01] <hydrogen> i was going to make a much more witty comment
[06:01] <intelikey> only on tuesdays
[06:01] <hydrogen> and you stole it
[06:01] <Jucato> lol
[06:01] <intelikey> :0
[06:01] <hydrogen> that wasn't witty at all
[06:01] <Jucato> roflmao
[06:01] <Jucato> that's what you get for being late :)
[06:02] <hydrogen> I was right in the middle of writing "hmm.. when did we start calling kubuntu users files?"
[06:02] <hydrogen> and you had to make that comment
[06:02] <Jucato> nah that's not witty... too intellectual :P
[06:02] <intelikey> i told you i started "only on tuesdays"
[06:02] <Jucato> requires much more thinking, let alone parsing :)
[06:02] <stdin> remember to linux/intelikey, everything is a file (or inode)
[06:02] <hydrogen> you're cut off then intelikey!
[06:03] <hydrogen> its wednesday
[06:03] <hydrogen> now
[06:03] <intelikey> stdin glad you corrected that,     it's   inode.
[06:03] <Jucato> :)
[06:03] <stdin> I knew you'd correct me, so I pre-empted it
[06:04] <intelikey> hydrogen been cut off for 4 hours now.
[06:04] <intelikey> :)
[06:04] <district_> hey, alright so far, got anoher Q
[06:04] <hydrogen> nope
[06:04] <hydrogen> ones your limit
[06:04] <hydrogen> come back tommorow
[06:04] <hydrogen> what do you think this is, a free for all?
[06:05] <district_> just testing, no
[06:06] <district_> ok, i like to know
[06:06] <intelikey> i mentioned M$ writing inodes all over the fs   in an explanation for why one should defrag before resizing M$ file systems    in #ubuntu the other day   and some professional   jumped all over me for it....     heh. such is the life of a sailor.
[06:07] <district_> how do i update
[06:07] <intelikey> seems that using   M$   and   inodes    was totally out of line,
   sorry.
[06:07] <district_> from version 7.04 to version 7.10 - i have the cd gutsy gibbon
[06:07] <Jucato> district_: you want to upgrade to a beta release already?
[06:08] <intelikey> district_ do you have  a seperate fs for your home ?
[06:08] <district_> do i type update-something?
[06:08] <Jucato> district_: which kind of CD did you get?
[06:08] <district_> yes i have the update
[06:09] <district_> beta release
[06:09] <district_> from softpedia.com
[06:09] <hero> can konqueror use toolbars that will work in firefox?
[06:09] <Jucato> district_: which kind. Live CD or Alternate Install CD?
[06:09] <hero> stumbleupon, for instance
[06:09] <district_> i downloaded iso file and burned it into a cd
[06:09] <intelikey> district_ is your home on a seperate file system ?   if it is, just install.
[06:10] <Doctor_Nick> two more weeks until gutsy
[06:10] <district_> but does that erase all the old files?
[06:11] <intelikey> yep   all that's not in /home    and there too if you tell it to.
[06:11] <district_> have to go thru all that partitions and all
[06:11] <tetreaul> Probably a dumb question for you guys... I can see my windows partition and I can read files from it but I can't write to it. Is this just a permissions thing? ie chmod will work?
[06:11] <stdin> district_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52
[06:12] <Jucato> district_: if what you got is a Live CD, you won't be able to use that to upgrade. you can only use that for new installations
[06:12] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | tetreaul
[06:12] <ubotu> tetreaul: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:13] <intelikey> tetreaul chmod will NOT work.   permissions are a psyudo bit, i.e. not existing on the M$ fs       use ntfs-3g  and a mask    i.e.  dmask=000,fmask=111    or  umask=000
[06:13] <tetreaul> hmm... I assumed that was automatically installed... what is letting me read from my windows partition right now?
[06:13] <district_> so then next logical Q IS HOW DO I UPGRADE TO VERSION &>!)?
[06:13] <tetreaul> thanks all
[06:13] <district_> sorry
[06:13] <tetreaul> I'll work with ntfs-3g
[06:13] <district_> caps on
[06:13] <stdin> district_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52 < read it this time
[06:13] <district_> it sounded like  was yelling huh?
[06:13] <district_> sorry
[06:14] <intelikey> tetreaul you'll still nead a mask,    whether in the fstab  or on the command line when you mount it.
[06:14] <district_> damn those caps
[06:14] <mmmiiikkkeee> installing compiz-kde gives me an error since compiz-core is a newer version then it wants... any one have any luck installing compiz in kde?
[06:14] <mmmiiikkkeee> in gusty
[06:15] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: well yea
[06:15] <hero> so... no stumbleupon toolbar in konqueror then?
[06:15] <district_> so then how do i upgrade to version 7.10?
[06:15] <intelikey> district_ don't try to cover up,   we know that  "&>!)"  was not caps-lock
[06:15] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: works here
[06:15] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: do apt-get update there was update of compiz packages today
[06:15] <stdin> district_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52 < last time I'm going to tell you
[06:16] <district_> i had accidently turnon caps by mistake
[06:16] <andycr> caps off 1234 CAPS ON 1234
[06:16] <district_> while i was typing
[06:16] <intelikey> and held it down  it seems
[06:16] <stdin> *read* the link
[06:16] <ubuntu_> wii
[06:17] <mmmiiikkkeee> i did: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-kde
[06:17] <district_> i'm really sorry
[06:17] <intelikey> the shouting i can tolerate,  the lying to cover it up   i can't.
[06:18] <district_> sorry i don't know why that happened
[06:18] <pillowpants> intelikey : thats cool, thanks
[06:18] <intelikey> accepted.
[06:18] <intelikey> pillowpants welcome.
[06:18] <ubuntu_> does gusty look like feisty?or it look like ubuntu?
[06:18] <flaccid> neither ubuntu_
[06:18] <ubuntu_> 7.04
[06:18] <district_> honest mistake
[06:19] <ubuntu_> flaccid: so if i install gusty i loose feisty?
[06:19] <Creationist> Can someone please tell me how to customize additional panels?  Seems there's no way to adjust the size and add certain applets to anything but the Main Panel...
[06:19] <flaccid> ubuntu, if you install over it, yes
[06:19] <flaccid> or if you upgrade it
[06:20] <Creationist> ubuntu_: You can install it onto a different partition and you won't lose Feisty.
[06:20] <district_> thanks for your help jucato, really, thanks
[06:20] <stdin> Creationist: there is a drop down list to choose which panel to configure in the settings
[06:20] <ubuntu_> flaccid: is it like moving from windows 2000 to xp?
[06:20] <flaccid> most people will want gutsy as its in beta/dev
[06:20] <flaccid> *not*
[06:20] <district_> i appreciate it
[06:20] <flaccid> ubuntu, not really.
[06:21] <Creationist> stdin: Yeah, I saw that.... problem is, it only lists "Main Panel" and "External Taskbar" ... even though I didn't ADD an external taskbar, but just another "panel"
[06:21] <stdin> unless you know how to fix a broken system, do *not* install gutsy
[06:21] <intelikey> Creationist you right click on them   the settings have a drop down menu on one tab that picks which pannel you are working on....   but that may have changed over the last two releases, so don't listen to me.
[06:21] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: do dpkg -l compiz which version is it?
[06:21] <flaccid> only people that want to put up with bugs and help fixing them/test should use gutsy at this stage
[06:21] <Creationist> intelikey: Yeah... see my message to stdin
[06:21] <ubuntu_> flaccid: if i upgrade to gusty will i loose all my data like music etc?
[06:21] <intelikey> sorry. Creationist   was typing while you were.
[06:21] <flaccid> ubuntu_ no
[06:21] <mmmiiikkkeee> 1:0.6.0+git200
[06:22] <ubuntu_> flaccid: does it look slick like feisty?
[06:22] <ubuntu_> 7.04
[06:22] <Creationist> ubuntu_: It looks better, I think ;)
[06:22] <flaccid> yeah its pretty click i guess
[06:22] <flaccid> err slick
[06:22] <ubuntu_> u tink?
[06:22] <intelikey> and yes i did see it.   but was already that the  [enter]  key and didn't get to read it before i posted.
[06:22] <mmmiiikkkeee> here is the error i get http://pastebin.com/m19780c70
[06:22] <Creationist> intelikey: Ah... I've done that.
[06:22] <flaccid> they both use kde, they just mod the artwork for each new release
[06:23] <stdin> Creationist: hmm, not sure then. it may be a bug that it can't be configured, take a look on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu and see if there's a bug report for it
[06:23] <ubuntu_> did anyone try out gusty?
[06:23] <flaccid> im on gutsy atm
[06:23] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: nope seems fine, hang on i'lll get my compiz-kde
[06:23] <ubuntu_> atm?
[06:23] <flaccid> well actually im on windows at the moment, but gutsy on other notebook
[06:23] <Creationist> stdin: Well, I'm running Gutsy right now, but I remember having the same problem with Edgy and Feisty.  Finally went to gnome for Feisty.
[06:23] <ubuntu_> do gusty have a live cd?
[06:24] <ubuntu_> for me to see wa it look like
[06:24] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: you on gutsy?
[06:24] <mmmiiikkkeee> yes
[06:24] <intelikey> Creationist you can also ask in the support channel    #ubuntu+1   :)
[06:24] <stdin> Creationist: I can't find it in gutsy either
[06:24] <Creationist> ubuntu_: I think you worry more on how it WORKS than how it LOOKS ;)
[06:24] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: oh wait do u use x64 distribution?
[06:24] <mmmiiikkkeee> no
[06:24] <ubuntu_> Creationist: it's both
[06:25] <flaccid> it comes in live cd
[06:25] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: also, remove the 3rd party PPA repo, compiz is in the main archive
[06:25] <ubuntu_> looks and how it works
[06:25] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: damn
[06:25] <ubuntu_> does gusty come with konqueror?
[06:25] <flaccid> sure does ubuntu_
[06:25] <Creationist> ubuntu_: It shouldn't be.  You can ALWAYS make it look exactly how you want it to.  You can't always make it work properly... especially since it is far from stable at the moment.
[06:25] <pillowpants> oh, is gutsy officially "out"?
[06:25] <flaccid> well i think it does iirc. that and dolphin
[06:25] <Creationist> pillowpants: Nope.
[06:25] <pillowpants> Creationist : oh
[06:26] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: yea that might be your problem
[06:26] <ubuntu_> Creationist: didnt they say it was coming out oct?
[06:26] <stdin> ubuntu_: it's out in 15 days
[06:26] <Creationist> ubuntu_: Yes, it is... but there's a lot of October left ;)
[06:26] <usser> ubuntu_: oct 18th official release date
[06:26] <flaccid> ubuntu_: join #ubuntu+1
[06:26] <pillowpants> how do you exit X server to console?
[06:26] <mmmiiikkkeee> i get it
[06:26] <pillowpants> kubuntu seems to come standard with no boot to console
[06:26] <pillowpants> it just boots straight to x login
[06:27] <ubuntu_> Creationist: funny
[06:27] <stdin> pillowpants: Ctrl-Alt-F1
[06:27] <flaccid> pillowpants, kill kdm. but you might just wanna do a tty - press ctrl + alt + f2
[06:27] <mmmiiikkkeee> yea i had compiz installed a while ago... when you had to use a 3rd party repo
[06:27] <quixogre> pillow, if you're using kde, can choose console login at the boot screen
[06:27] <pillowpants> flaccid : alright
[06:27] <flaccid> pillowpants, thats correct, but you have quite a few ttys..
[06:27] <Creationist> pillowpants: You can choose to login through a console by selecting that option from the Login screen.
[06:27] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: they are conflicting, you should only need the official repos for compiz
[06:27] <pillowpants> Creationist, flaccid : ill do that
[06:27] <ubuntu_> stdin: the 15?will it be stable?when i upgrade to it will it just be like a nother kernel?
[06:27] <pillowpants> is there anyone else here who just uses console?
[06:28] <pillowpants> and doesnt use X for their daily comp uses?
[06:28] <deeder> haha nope
[06:28] <Creationist> pillowpants: Not sure why anyone would use Ubuntu for that...
[06:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> yes
[06:28] <stdin> ubuntu_: in 15 days it will be released as stable. then you can upgrade
[06:28] <Creationist> usser: Yeah, I lost the ability to run Compiz when I installed Gutsy :(
[06:28] <pillowpants> stdin: thats when gutsy will be a "stable release"?
[06:29] <stdin> pillowpants: yeah
[06:29] <Creationist> pillowpants: Well, that's the hope ;)
[06:29] <pillowpants> stdin : cool
[06:29] <usser> Creationist: how come what happened?
[06:29] <intelikey> pillowpants if it ever is....  :)
[06:29] <ubuntu_> stdin: will it have the live cd to see wa it look like?and will u upgrade to?will kubuntu chat go dead?
[06:29] <ubuntu_> o.O
[06:29] <stdin> pillowpants: you want a console user, intelikey seems to fit that description
[06:29] <Creationist> usser: The nVidia drivers in Gutsy don't work right for me... either that or Compiz just doesn't like my computer anymore.  Of course, I used to run Gnome...
[06:30] <pillowpants> stdin : yeah, i was amazed at it a second ago
[06:30] <pillowpants> i was just asking if anyone else here does it
[06:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> intelikey: i already fingered you as captain console before you had the nick collision :P
[06:30] <stdin> ubuntu_: 1) yes, 2) don't need to, I already have, 3) no, why would it?
[06:30] <pillowpants> i was messing with setting up a file server a few days ago and couldnt get x to load, so i just managed everything from console
[06:30] <pillowpants> the first time ive really done that
[06:30] <intelikey_hiden> <whistles inosently>
[06:30] <usser> Creationist: hm, in gutsy it really should be a matter of enabling restricted drivers
[06:30] <usser> Creationist: what video card u have?
[06:30] <Creationist> usser: Yeah, that's what I did...
[06:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> ubuntu_: 3) it will probably jump to 500 people or so for at least a few days, and expect the repos to be slow
[06:31] <usser> Creationist: and what happened?
[06:31] <Creationist> usser: It's a Geforce 6200
[06:31] <Creationist> usser: Well, using the restricted drivers will either distort my resolution or just not let me change resolutions at all.
[06:31] <Creationist> usser: Interestingly enough, I can run Unreal Tournament 2004 without a problem (although with poorer performance than I got with Feisty)
[06:32] <usser> Creationist: whats the desired resolution? did u try editing xorg.conf?
[06:32] <ubuntu_> Daisuke_Laptop: slow?can i choose to upgrade with symnaptic?
[06:32] <usser> ubuntu_: i believe thats one of the options yes
[06:32] <ubuntu_> but i perfer adept
[06:32] <stdin> ubuntu_: when it's releases there will be instructions to upgrade with adept
[06:32] <Creationist> usser: I haven't changed the xorg.conf because it's all correct from what I can tell.  My desired/native resolution for my monitor is 1400x1050
[06:33] <usser> Creationist: hm, can u pastebin it just for the heck of it.
[06:33] <hydrogen> most instructions will probably tell you to just install update-manager
[06:33] <hydrogen> even though its a gnome program only in feisty
[06:33] <stdin> hydrogen: no, adept will do it now (finally)
[06:33] <ubuntu_> stdin: instructions?cant i just do sudo apt-get upg* or just look for the option that adepts sows when it have a new kernel?
[06:34] <hydrogen> stdin: I've yet to see adept do anything properly... I'm not going to trust it :)
[06:34] <Creationist> usser: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39425/
[06:34] <stdin> ubuntu_: it's not a normal upgrade
[06:34] <intelikey_hiden> dist-upgrade   but you have to change the sources.list
[06:34] <intelikey_hiden> this nick's just too long.
[06:35] <_2> now
[06:35] <stdin> that's not the recommended way any more
[06:35] <flaccid> pillowpants, keep in mind kubuntu is a deskop operating system
[06:36] <_2> stdin are you saying that non-gui users will have to install kde and use adpet to do it the "recommended" way ?
[06:36] <_2> adpet  heh
[06:36] <Creationist> usser: Now, when I use System Settings to try and change the resolution, it gives me all those options.  But when I select a different resolution and click "Apply," it doesn't change the resolution, but still says it's "Testing new settings..."
[06:37] <stdin> _2: no, non-gui uses can do "sudo do-release-upgrade" :)
[06:37] <_2> a perl script no doubt
[06:37] <stdin> (from the update-manager-core package)
[06:37] <_2> or is it python ?
[06:37] <stdin> probably python knowing ubuntu :p
[06:37] <hydrogen> no no!
[06:37] <hydrogen> its python
[06:38] <hydrogen> it should be ruby
[06:38] <stdin> everything is python in ubuntu
[06:38] <hydrogen> but not everyone is perfect
[06:38] <hydrogen> regrettably
[06:39] <hydrogen> well then
[06:39] <usser> Creationist: well it really looks allright apart from that device #, screen #, monitor # sections at the bottom u can safely delete those
[06:39] <hydrogen> I guess you will have to get old school creative in order to upgrade
[06:39] <hydrogen> poor you!
[06:39] <stdin> _2: look at it's dependencies :p "python2.5, python-central (>= 0.5.8), python (<< 2.6), python (>= 2.4), python-apt (>= <IP_ADDRESS>), lsb-release, python-gnupginterface"
[06:39] <stdin> that's a lot of python
[06:39] <Creationist> usser: Hmm.. that's weird.  Could that be causing my problem?
[06:40] <_2> junk    imo
[06:40] <usser> Creationist: no not really they are non functional anyway
[06:40] <hydrogen> woah woah woah
[06:40] <hydrogen> it depends on lsb-release?
[06:40] <hydrogen> eff it, i'm uninstalling it now
[06:40] <hydrogen> bloat!
[06:40] <stdin> I think ubuntu-standard depends in it too
[06:40] <stdin> or -minimal, not sure
[06:41] <hydrogen> yep
[06:41] <hydrogen> removing that as well
[06:41] <hydrogen> kernel, bash, coreutils.. upstart, thats all I need!
[06:41] <usser> Creationist: u may also try deleting everything in that "Screen" section the modes line everything except for 1400x1050
[06:41] <_2> "python (<< 2.6), python (>= 2.4),"  <<<   i.e.  2.5 only  but that's quite redundant after the  "python2.5," entry.
[06:41] <stdin> hydrogen: is "Installed-Size: 80" bloat ? :p
[06:41] <usser> Creationist: line 109
[06:41] <Creationist> usser: I just saved my xorg.xonf file and got this error: Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-nrossin" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[06:42] <Creationist> usser: Probably not a big deal, but I've been getting some random permission errors since I installed Gutsy
[06:42] <khaije1> Creationist: are you a creationist?
[06:42] <hydrogen> stdin: yes.. thats one line of a log file that I can't have any more!
[06:42] <Creationist> khaije1: What gave that away? ;)
[06:42] <stdin> Creationist: that's normal
[06:42] <Creationist> stdin: Okay ...
[06:42] <usser> Creationist: yea that happens here too
[06:43] <khaije1> Creationist: i was just wondering if the meaning of your handle was a personal belief or a random whim, as is often the case
[06:43] <_2> khaije1 am i binary ?
[06:43] <Creationist> khaije1: Both, I guess :P
[06:43] <usser> Creationist: and change virtual from 1600 1200 to 1400 1050
[06:43] <usser> Creationist: btw make a backup of your xorg.conf
[06:43] <hydrogen> Oo
[06:43] <khaije1> _2: obviously not
[06:43] <Creationist> usser already dont ;)
[06:44] <stdin> *posix shell script
[06:44] <usser> Creationist: should something bad happen ctrl+alt+f2, cd /etc/X11 && sudo cp xorg.backup xorg.conf
[06:44] <_2> khaije1 that doesn't keem me from being a creationest  :)
[06:44] <_2> stdin lol
[06:45] <Creationist> usser:  I know.... I've learned the VERY hard way ;)
[06:45] <khaije1> _2: the first thing you said was obviously false, the second was obviously true
[06:45] <usser> nah
[06:45] <joseph> list
[06:45] <_2> Scientologist no.   totally posix compliant.
[06:45] <Creationist> usser: God doesn't believe in atheists ;)
[06:45] <Scientologist> pfft
[06:45] <Creationist> Okay, this has gotten off-topic lol
[06:45] <Scientologist> dos is a posix standard!
[06:46] <usser> Creationist: so how is going with xorg.conf
[06:46] <Creationist> American Christianity = Open Source Religion :)
[06:46] <Scientologist> anyways
[06:46] <Creationist> usser: I haven't tested it yet.. I will later.
[06:46] <Scientologist> I really should go towards sleep
[06:46] <Scientologist> so
[06:46] <Scientologist> I'll see you!
[06:46] <Creationist> usser: Thanks for your help, though.
[06:47] <usser> Creationist: u may also try to remove all the modelines except for that 1400x1050, u know play around with it
[06:47] <_2> sad but true Creationist
[06:47] <Creationist> _2: Yep...
[06:47] <Creationist> _2: I'm actually working on a blog article talking about that...
[06:47] <_2> long live  RMS
[06:48] <usser> Creationist: one useful thing is to get specs on your screen and create your own modeline this is helpful sometimes http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[06:48] <Creationist> usser: Yeah, but I've been unable to find the specs for my monitor.
[06:48] <_2> monitor specs can sometimes be displayed by the control buttons
[06:49] <usser> Creationist: bugger
[06:49] <banjooie> Okay, so.
[06:49] <Creationist> _2: Ooh... didn't think of that... I'll check.
[06:49] <banjooie> Let's say I saw either a puff of dust or smoke out of my computer (the sides were off.)
[06:50] <banjooie> This was while the hard drive and CD-ROM were being taxed, but little else.
[06:50] <_2> and there is  monitorworld.com   that might list your monitor.    as well as the manufacture
[06:50] <Creationist> _2: WOuld they be Horizontal and Vertical frequencies?
[06:50] <_2> r
[06:50] <_2> yes
[06:50] <usser> Creationist: ye
[06:50] <Creationist> _2: Sweet.. it does show that ;)
[06:50] <banjooie> How do I tell if a CD-ROM or hard drive has fried itself
[06:50] <banjooie> preferably without turning the computer on
[06:50] <rattt> someone help me. i need to join tha java channel but it says i need to be identified???
[06:50] <banjooie> I checked t he monitor, there are no scorch marks.
[06:50] <banjooie> er, the motherboard
[06:50] <usser> banjooie: smell it
[06:51] <banjooie> Should it absolutely reek? I had someone else smell it, since my sense of smell is really weak.
[06:51] <_2> banjooie there probably "wont" be any phisical evidance,   plug it into a working box and test.
[06:51] <se7en^Of^9> does anyone know what file get's updated when doing a apt-get update
[06:51] <usser> banjooie: not reek but usually they smell
[06:51] <banjooie> okay
[06:51] <stdin> !register | rattt
[06:51] <ubotu> rattt: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:52] <banjooie> they didn't smell anything, so I guess. Okay, thanks.
[06:52] <stdin> se7en^Of^9: several, in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[06:52] <_2> unplug it and hook up a power source and listen closely
[06:52] <rattt> forgive me for doing this here, as i cannot join java without being identified...watever thats supposed to mean....anyway, java is similar to c++....heres my situation. i wrote this program last year and i havent used java since...now heres my question. i typed"String n=new String();"  why did i do that instead of just "String n;
[06:53] <stdin> rattt: register with freenode to identify, read the link ubotu gave you
[06:53] <se7en^Of^9> thanks stdin
[06:53] <Creationist> usser: Now, my monitor lists exact frequencies, not ranges.... is that okay?  The website you sent me asks for a range.
[06:53] <_2> se7en^Of^9 disreguard stdin,   it's the package database in /var/cache/apt   and in /var/lib/dpkg  iirc
[06:54] <stdin> se7en^Of^9: disregard _2, /var/cache/apt is the apt package cache, for debs :)
[06:54] <se7en^Of^9> _2: /var/cache/apt/archives/  is for the *deb files
[06:55] <stdin> _2: update, not upgrade
[06:55] <_2> and that gets updated when you do   "update"  stdin.
[06:55] <stdin> _2: not unless you download the debs
[06:55] <_2> well  /var/lib/dpkg/list/  doesn't exist
[06:56] <_2> so i guess we are both wrong.
[06:56] <drew_> will gusty have kde4?
[06:56] <Creationist> _2: MonitorWorld doesn't even list my manufacturer (Westinghouse)
[06:56] <stdin> drew_: only like feisty, as an optional extra
[06:56] <Creationist> drew_: No.
[06:56] <drew_> ty
[06:56] <_2> Creationist hmmm   odd.   you did use the search on the page   no ?
[06:56] <stdin> _2:  /var/lib/apt/lists/ not dpkg
[06:57] <_2> apt ?  oh.   did i misread that ?
[06:57] <stdin> seems so :)
[06:57] <usser> Creationist: its most likely showing the freqs at which it works right now u really need ranges
[06:57] <usser> Creationist: is it an LCD?
[06:58] <_2> yes i did.
[06:58] <Creationist> usser: It's a flatscreen LCD, yes.
[06:58] <usser> Creationist: size?
[06:58] <Creationist> _2: I haven't tried the search, but looked through their list
[06:58] <Creationist> usser: 20#
[06:58] <Creationist> 20"
[06:58] <usser> Creationist: with LCD u can safely put 60
[06:58] <se7en^Of^9> jo here is my problem i stay in thailand .... some of the files fail to catche from the thai server ... so i use the .au server which is fucking slow ... if i could cp the .th file i would not need to go throug the update again because that takes for the .au server 30 min and go straight to upgrade ... does that make any sence ?
[06:59] <usser> Creationist: with LCD u can safely put 60 for refresh rate
[06:59] <Creationist> usser: It does say it's maximum refresh rate at 1400x1050 is 60Hz
[06:59] <usser> Creationist: seems about right
[06:59] <drew_> is there some way to manage my power options. Whenever my computer hibernates, it refuses to turn the monitor back on. I searched the system settings extensively but no luck.
[06:59] <usser> Creationist: and something like 50-55 for horiz sync
[07:00] <Creationist> usser: I have no clue what my Dot Clock Frequency would be... never heard the term before.
[07:01] <se7en^Of^9> stdin: /var/lib/apt/lists looks good for me
[07:01] <_2> stdin not sure what changes  but /var/cache/apt/package.cache  does get updated.   at least touched.       but sorry for the misread.  i did think i saw /var/lib/dpkg/list    my bad.     "just knew that couldn't be right"
[07:01] <usser> Creationist: dont bother then, u know what just put 55khz for horiz freq
[07:02] <_2> stdin first time for everything....
[07:02] <stdin> _2: you were bound to make a mistake once in your lifetime, law of probability :p
[07:02] <Creationist> usser: It's giving me an error... says Horizontal Sync is below the minimum of 55KHz... doesn't matter what value I put in there.
[07:02] <usser> Creationist: hm
[07:03] <_2> stdin that's not the first time we did this remember.
[07:03] <_2> looks like i'd catch on...     seems like i misread the last time too....
[07:03] <Creationist> usser: Hmm... does this look valid?      Modeline "1400x1050@60" 129.44 1400 1432 1920 1952 1050 1071 1081 1103
[07:04] <_2> stdin next time just ban me.  that'll stop it.  :)
[07:04] <stdin> _2: deal :)
[07:04] <_2> stdin you are WRONG.    wrong wrong.
[07:04] <stdin> heh
[07:05] <_2> lol
[07:05] <stdin> don't worry, I unbanned you (for now)
[07:05] <Creationist> So should I just remove all the Modeline entries and replace it with this:  Modeline "1400x1050@60i" 55.41 1400 1432 1640 1672 1050 1074 1079 1103 interlace
[07:06] <_2> comment out and test Creationist
[07:07] <Creationist> _2: Well, I backed it up and now I'll test it ;)
[07:07] <Creationist> _2: Just requires an X restart, correct?
[07:07] <usser> Creationist: ok u know what my screen being almost the same i say screw the modline, try this http://pastebin.ca/723944
[07:08] <usser> Creationist: substitute your sections with this
[07:09] <banjooie> by the way
[07:09] <banjooie> for irony's sake
[07:09] <usser> Creationist: 16th line should read 1400x1050
[07:09] <banjooie> I was installing windows XP when it happened
[07:09] <usser> Creationist: first mode
[07:09] <banjooie> yes, over Ubuntu.
[07:09] <banjooie> :(
[07:09] <usser> bye bye all
[07:09] <Creationist> usser: Thanks for your help
[07:09] <Creationist> brb... gonna try this...
[07:10] <mmmiiikkkeee> i read some where that konquerer was going to move to qt-web kit? is that supose to be better then khtml(witch seems to follow all the standards that NO one follows).  any one know any thing about this?
[07:10] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: #kde-devel will
[07:11] <mmmiiikkkeee> ok thanks
[07:14] <elmo_> hello
[07:14] <elmo_> how to install an x-chat?
[07:14] <crweb> how do i build a source package like  qc-usb-source ?
[07:14] <crweb> i untar the /usr/src/qc-usb-source.tar.gz but no other info
[07:15] <stdin> elmo_: open adept and search for xchat
[07:15] <intelikey> i hate this isp.
[07:15] <intelikey> this is just about the last straw.
[07:15] <elmo_> im new with kubuntu
[07:15] <stdin> crweb: there should be a README and/or INSTALL file, read those
[07:15] <elmo_> where can i find the adept?
[07:15] <stdin> elmo_: KMenu > System > Adept Manager
[07:16] <crweb> stdin: seems to be the README distributed with the original source. don't see an INSTALL
[07:17] <elmo_> too many x-chat in here
[07:17] <elmo_> xchat-gnome?
[07:17] <stdin> xchat-gnome or xchat
[07:17] <elmo_> thanks
[07:17] <npillowpats> is there a text based music player?
[07:18] <intelikey> npillowpats sox
[07:18] <stdin> and mplayer
[07:18] <stdin> and mp321
[07:18] <stdin> and vlc
[07:18] <stdin> (there are a few)
[07:18] <Creationist> Hmm... well that didn't work lol
[07:18] <intelikey> oh yeah  ?   mplayer does console ?
[07:18] <Woodstokk> Greetings everyone.  Noob to kubuntu here... just got it running the last few days. Is there a way to get Konversation to show more than one window at the same time?  So far, I don't see a way to do that.
[07:18] <stdin> intelikey: what? you didn't know?
[07:19] <Creationist> Woodstokk: What other windows do you want it to show?
[07:19] <Woodstokk> It shows more than one window in a tab configuration...
[07:19] <elmo_> all installation will be on adept?
[07:19] <Woodstokk> um... 'CHANNEL' ....
[07:19] <stdin> intelikey: it's primarily a terminal app, you have to give it a -gui switch to get it to start a GUI :)
[07:19] <stdin> elmo_: yeah
[07:19] <Woodstokk> what I'd like to do is show a channel in one window...and another channel visible at same time in a different window
[07:20] <elmo_> ah ok
[07:20] <elmo_> cool :)
[07:20] <stdin> Woodstokk: nope
[07:20] <Woodstokk> instead of tabbing
[07:20] <npillowpats> stdin : what about xmms?
[07:20] <npillowpats> does that run in text?
[07:20] <intelikey> well it's all vista'd out with fonts.... http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39956
[07:20] <elmo_> after the installation do i have a shortcut on my desktop?
[07:20] <Woodstokk> figures!  Thanks stdin
[07:20] <Woodstokk> Is there another chat prog that could be used?
[07:20] <stdin> npillowpats: I think that's only an X app
[07:21] <intelikey> npillowpats vlc  :)
[07:21] <mmmiiikkkeee> if your playing music over ssh is there an easy way to make the music play on the other computer?? or some thing similar/simple(i know it can be done with cat and mpg123...but is there any thing better?)
[07:21] <stdin> elmo_: no, you'll have a link in the KMenu, under Internet
[07:21] <intelikey> !chat
[07:21] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[07:21] <intelikey> Woodstokk ^
[07:22] <stdin> intelikey: that's because it does subtitles too and stuff, so it needs fonts
[07:22] <carlos>  como hago para saber simi procesador es de 64 o 32 bits? agradezco su ayuda!
[07:22] <wii> how do i install more then one thing?
[07:22] <Woodstokk> 'IRC' just from the name sounds like a possibility
[07:22] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: over ssh, just do "ssh -X user@host" and start amarok or something
[07:22] <stdin> !es | carlos
[07:22] <ubotu> carlos: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:22] <intelikey> Woodstokk irssi  bitchx
[07:23] <npillowpats> bitchx is the best
[07:23] <mmmiiikkkeee> that plays teh music on the other computer
[07:23] <stdin> wii: select more than one thing?
[07:23] <Creationist> hmm
[07:23] <district> i'm back again - a mistake can make me look bad doesn't it?
[07:23] <wii> stdin: no i mean in the console
[07:23] <intelikey> then why don't you use it ???  :)
[07:23] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: yeah, that's what you said you wanted
[07:23] <stdin> wii: sudo apt-get install app1 app2 appN ...
[07:23] <mmmiiikkkeee> no the other way around
[07:24] <mmmiiikkkeee> srry
[07:24] <wii> ok
[07:24] <mmmiiikkkeee> i want it to play my the computer that is doing the sshing
[07:24] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: no, unless you do it my way. install sshfs then "mount" a directory over ssh and play it in a local app :)
[07:24] <district> i got a Question again
[07:25] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: like "sshfs user@host:/home/you ~/some/empty/directory"
[07:25] <mmmiiikkkeee> yea but then browesing the directories with the music can get slow??
[07:26] <Woodstokk> intelikey, I've never used terminal... is there a good info manual with irssi?
[07:26] <Woodstokk> (looking up bitchx right now too)
[07:26] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: works fine over wireless for me
[07:26] <Creationist> Hey, is there a reason that /home/nrossin/.kde/share/config/kcmshellrc is owned by root?
[07:26] <intelikey> stdin would ssh user@ip play file.ogg not output locally ?   haven't treid it  but you can do things like    ssh blah@blah cat blah > file  and file will be local.