[06:16] <alkisg> Hi, commits in git can be annotated with one-line descriptions and with multi-line comments, e.g. https://git.ipxe.org/ipxe.git/commit/fcc35bf48776fff9ebfd8db537679583221a9cd4.
[06:16] <alkisg> Is there a similar concept in bzr, where I would be able to only see the one-line descriptions e.g. with bzr log, but I would also have the ability to see the analytical comments about each commit with bzr detailed-log or something?
[06:25] <alkisg> Hmm it seems that git follows a convention similar to .deb package descriptions, i.e. leaving an empty line between the one-line description and the detailed commit message.
[06:25] <alkisg> Does bzr have something similar?
[06:26] <SamB> bzr log --line ?
[06:31]  * alkisg just found "git log --oneline", try ing "bzr log --line" now...
[06:31] <alkisg> Yup, thank you SamB
[11:45] <jelmer> SamB: hi
[14:50] <jml> in a colo, how do I fetch & switch to a remote branch?
[17:02]  * SamB wants to joke "over SSH""
[17:37] <jelmer> jml: hi
[17:37] <jml> jelmer: hello
[17:37] <jelmer> jml: 'bzr branch --switch lp:foobar file:,branch=bar'
[17:37] <jelmer> or manually branch and then 'bzr switch bar'
[17:38] <jml> 'manually branch'?
[17:38] <jelmer> 'bzr branch lp:foobar file:,branch=bar; bzr switch bar'
[17:40] <jml> ahh.
[17:40] <jelmer> the syntax isn't ideal, we're still working on that
[17:40] <jelmer> it's hard to get to something that's not ambiguous
[17:40] <jml> jelmer: so there's 'switch -b' _and_ 'branch --switch'
[17:42] <jelmer> jml: yes, 'switch -b' bases the new branch on the current branch
[17:44] <jml> jelmer: that's a bit confusing.
[17:46] <jelmer> jml: in what way?
[17:48] <jml> jelmer: I guess in my head, 'switch -b' expands to 'switch --branch' (I know it expands to --create-branch)
[17:49] <jml> jelmer: and looking at 'branch --switch' vs 'switch --branch', I can't figure out which is for which purpose, or why the two would be any different
[17:49] <jml> I guess it's obvious when you try to implement it
[17:49] <jelmer> jml: I don't really like the -b alias for --create-branch
[17:49] <jelmer> jml: I think it's there for consistency with 'git checkout -b'
[17:49] <jml> jelmer: what would you propose instead
[18:31] <SamB> jelmer: pretty sure, yeah
[18:31] <SamB> I'm not sure I didn't suggest that?
[19:05] <AuroraBorealis> interesting thing i found: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/189776
[20:59] <wgz> AuroraBorealis: that was quite interesting
[21:00] <AuroraBorealis> yeah
[21:00] <wgz> git not having great annotate performance is pretty well known
[21:00] <AuroraBorealis> its kinda related to that long standing bug where bzr was trying to import a huge repo
[21:00] <wgz> but the giant cold cache penalty seems... surprising
[21:00] <AuroraBorealis> its interesting to see how any vcs would handle freaking
[21:00] <AuroraBorealis> 1.3 million files
[21:01] <wgz> I guess it's very filesystem dependant for any operation that peeks at every file in a huge tree
[21:01] <AuroraBorealis> yeah. one of the suggestions was just
[21:01] <AuroraBorealis> "get some SSD's "
[21:01] <wgz> I think ext4 also doesn't have seperate metadata blocks?
[21:02] <wgz> so probably ends up needing to read from much more areas of the disk
[21:02] <AuroraBorealis> does it clump all the metadata together?
[21:02] <AuroraBorealis> so it doesn't have to skip around?
[21:03] <wgz> I think it doesn't, but some filesystems do, or do to some measure
[21:04] <AuroraBorealis> i have no idea about filesystems but i was just wondering if any VCS would handle such extreme repo sizes
[21:05] <wgz> some of the comercial ones are certainly more tuned for it.
[21:08] <wgz> but there's also a fair bit of cheating with big beefy central servers and partial checkouts I think
[21:08] <AuroraBorealis> people were suggesting just splitting it into different repos which just seems like a cop out to the real problem
[21:09] <wgz> which, in the dvcs world, the advice of having more smaller repos is sensible analogue
[21:09] <wgz> heh, you typed faster
[21:09] <wgz> but it's really the same kind of cheat
[21:09] <AuroraBorealis> yeah, i have no idea what facebook is keeping in there
[21:10] <AuroraBorealis> i hardly think that just the sourcecode to facebook is 1.3 million indepenent files
[21:10] <wgz> php *is* pretty bad :)
[21:12] <AuroraBorealis> haha
[21:12] <AuroraBorealis> i hear you there
[23:30] <Noldorin_> hey jelmer


[00:00] <penguin42> who?
[00:03] <daftykins> for some reason i always remember their website as cpc.farnell.com
[00:03] <daftykins> there's the full line - "CPC - Combined Precision Components is a trading name of Premier Farnell UK Limited."
[00:03] <penguin42> daftykins: yeh, cpc is their less pro end of things
[00:03] <penguin42> I meant more who do you go to instead
[00:03] <daftykins> oh right
[00:04] <daftykins> broadbandbuyer.com lately
[00:04] <penguin42> ah yeh, I have seen them, not gouth anything off them yet
[00:04] <daftykins> i made a trade account so i get a few quid off each item :D
[00:05] <daftykins> in fact i need to very shortly order a network cabinet, patch panel, then a bunch of sockets and WiFi access points for some installations
[00:06] <davef> Evening all. Apparently it's almost official that I will be a homeowner.
[00:06] <daftykins> woohoo \o/
[00:07] <daftykins> is there a room for jaffa cake boxes? :)
[00:07] <davef> Just got back from the inspection, dude said it's like new. Only thing needs doing is replacing the hot water tank.
[00:07] <davef> daftykins: there's a WHOLE ROOM for Jaffa's
[00:07] <daftykins> \o/
[00:07] <penguin42> I'm thinking of buying a PDU for my dads hifi cab; it's a wood built cupboard he made himself - that is supiciously 18" wide, it wont fit the ears but..
[00:08] <penguin42> can you order jaffa cakes under insulation grants ?
[00:08] <daftykins> xD just pack 'em in!
[12:31] <zxmpi> jaffa house!
[12:40] <zxmpi> gingerbread houses are so dated :-P
[15:01] <zxmpi>  and remember to check your gardens for any new suspicious plants after last nights display and destroy them :-)
[15:06] <penguin42> indeed!
[21:58] <zxmpi> just back in from daily walk, no aurora. 50% cloud cover here
[21:58] <daftykins> ooh
[21:59] <daftykins> we were talking about that just earlier


[19:06] <shaunm_> belkinsa: ping
[19:33] <belkinsa> What's up, shaunm_?
[19:34] <shaunm_> belkinsa: hey, I was wondering if you were planning on coming to Open Help?
[19:34] <belkinsa> I'm not coming.
[19:34] <shaunm_> :(
[20:25] <ahoneybun> hey pleia2
[20:27] <pleia2> ahoneybun: nice to see you
[20:27] <ahoneybun> pleia2: likewise I did some jumping from kubuntu but I'm back
[20:28] <pleia2> welcome back :)
[20:34] <ahoneybun> thanks :)
[20:35] <ahoneybun> btw love the xubuntu docs website
[20:35] <pleia2> thanks, good to have knome on board to make pretty things for us
[20:35] <belkinsa> pleia2, I made the blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1406-ubuntu-documentation-team
[20:36] <pleia2> belkinsa: great!
[20:37] <belkinsa> And I just noticed that I should schedule it, since it's in community track.
[20:37] <ahoneybun> pleia2: I wish our doc site could look great like that
[20:37] <pleia2> belkinsa: indeed :)
[20:37] <pleia2> ahoneybun: for kubuntu?
[20:37] <belkinsa> And the site still for the March one.
[20:38] <pleia2> belkinsa: yeah, I found if you follow links on summit.ubuntu.com you usually land in the right spot, but uds.ubuntu.com is a mess
[20:38] <belkinsa> Ah.  Thanks for the tip.
[20:38] <pleia2> belkinsa: mhall119 over in #ubuntu-community-team has been super helpful
[20:38] <pleia2> he can answer any questions you have as a track lead, and has the power to fix things :)
[20:38] <belkinsa> I know, I told him about it.
[20:39] <pleia2> ok,c ool
[20:39] <belkinsa> Anyways, when should I schedule it?
[20:39] <pleia2> I'd look at past meetings we've had lately and shoot for something that seems like it might work for folks (not a lot of time to do a doodle poll this time)
[20:40] <belkinsa> Alright.
[20:41] <ahoneybun> pleia2: yes kubuntu
[20:42] <ahoneybun> pleia2: http://docs.kubuntu.org/
[20:42] <pleia2> ahoneybun: ah yeah, seems like that could do with a refresh :)
[20:42] <ahoneybun> as we use userbase.kde.org to host and a few tools to export it as docbook still I believe
[20:42]  * pleia2 nods
[20:43] <pleia2> we just maintain an html page in bzr that we sync up to a static filesystem (we're all still hosted with canonical)
[20:43] <pleia2> and I build docs and push them up with each release
[20:43] <ahoneybun> I heard that something server wise will change so it might get better then
[20:43] <ahoneybun> pleia2: we did it this way for better translations
[20:44] <ahoneybun> plus for MediaWiki
[20:44] <pleia2> ah yeah, we haven't quite figured out how to publish translations
[20:45] <ahoneybun> though this site layout does not off them
[20:45] <ahoneybun> for that site anyway userbase has them
[20:45]  * pleia2 nods
[20:45] <ahoneybun> big changes with the new site for kubuntu.org


[00:03] <bdrung> vish: where can i checkout the ubuntu-mono branch?
[11:46] <thorwil> kwwii: hi! your posts appear double on http://design.canonical.com
[11:47] <vish> thorwil: well, of course , he is twice as important ;)
[11:47] <thorwil> heh
[11:47] <kwwii> thorwil: indeed they do
[11:47] <kwwii> funny that
[11:47] <kwwii> but not all of them
[11:48] <vish> any kde folks around?
[11:48] <vish> not ex-kde ;p
[11:48] <kwwii> hehe, I am still involved in kde :p
[12:12] <kwwii> inkscapers.deviantart.com/blog/31687017/
[12:12] <kwwii> in case anyone hasn't seen them yet
[12:13] <kwwii> Inkscape 0.48 About Screen
[12:19] <andreasn> http://theartcontinuum.deviantart.com/art/Unimount-Uniscape-159892099 heh
[12:22] <andreasn> this one is a bit nice http://hrum.deviantart.com/art/inkscape-0-48-160741667
[12:22] <kwwii> andreasn: intresting
[12:23] <kwwii> all in all, there are quite a few good ones
[12:24] <thorwil> i was more impressed with previous contests
[12:28] <andreasn> there are a couple that is almost there, but not quite
[12:30] <andreasn> http://foxbit.deviantart.com/art/Inkscape-0-48-Image-Contest-158808358 <- this one is a bit like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50BBNZ-ejjU&feature=related
[12:31] <thorwil> yeah, just lacks being awesome
[12:32] <andreasn> like a 80:s broadcast company logo
[12:35] <darkmatter> yay. now I have a wad of gauze up my nostril and I've cleaned the blood off my keyboard
[12:35] <thorwil> tmi
[12:36] <darkmatter> was not
[12:38] <thorwil> hrmpf. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IsraeliTeam/NewLogos2010
[12:38] <darkmatter> lol. team jew!
[12:40] <thorwil> 19 entries and i would eliminate every single one of them (entries, not creators)
[12:40]  * thorwil is depressed
[12:42] <darkmatter> that wasn't a racist remark btw. it was an observation. the logo shouldn't scream at the user. I mean isn't this supposedly the era of clean and tasteful?
[12:43] <thorwil> darkmatter: didn't take your comment as anything but humorous. i don't see screaming as the issue, but rather cramming stuff into tiny circles (drawing the logo large and then forgetting that it will be shown much smaller in most cases)
[12:44] <darkmatter> thorwil: aye.
[12:46] <andreasn> this is what I did for the Ubuntu Sweden logo for a poster. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/184285/ubuntu-sverige.svg
[12:47] <andreasn> does the loco logos have a tendency to get complicated?
[12:48] <thorwil> andreasn: they have a tendency to be stuff added / crammed into the basic ubuntu logo
[12:48] <kwwii> andreasn: yes, but we are going to include info on how best to make other logos
[12:48] <andreasn> kwwii, good
[12:49] <andreasn> do it quick, or let people know you are intending too. The Swedish team already started a thread doing various odd things on their forum
[12:50] <darkmatter> thorwil: canada would be easy. replace the 'heads' on the logo with maple leaves. score! \o/
[12:51] <andreasn> I guess you have that release thing you need to finish first though :)
[12:51] <thorwil> darkmatter: nah, a southparkian canadian 2-part head instead of the circle
[12:51] <darkmatter> :P
[12:55]  * kwwii gets lunch
[16:02] <islington> like the new website kwwii
[16:13] <kwwii> islington: cool
[16:13] <knome> the new website is crap
[16:13] <knome> oops :P
[16:14] <knome> no, i really wait for the complete transformation
[16:14] <kwwii> yeah, indeed
[16:16] <vish> islington: hi ,you use Kubuntu , right? could you have a look at this bug > Bug 566996 .. not sure what happened there , i use ubutnu
[16:17] <vish> hmm what website are you folks talking about...
[16:17] <knome> vish, microsoft.com
[16:19] <vish> knome: wow , that looks nice indeed ..
[16:19] <islington> vish installing it now
[16:19] <vish> islington: thanks..
[16:20] <kwwii> vish: my guess is that they were ported to indicators
[16:20] <kwwii> vish: I run kde, I'll check as well
[16:21] <vish> kwwii: neat thanks.. might be the change , but the icon does exist for the indicators as well
[16:22] <kwwii> hrm, the last update killed that machine
[16:22] <kwwii> some problem with the encrypted home dir
[16:24] <islington> where are the lucid packages online again?
[16:24] <islington> nvrmind found it
[16:31] <islington> vish in  /status/*/ some symlinks are pointing to nothing
[16:32] <islington> they are audio-volume-high, audio-volume-low audio-volume-medium
[16:32] <vish> islington: you mean the .png symlinks?
[16:33] <islington> yes
[16:33] <vish> that was to solve a blurring problem in gnome :s
[16:33] <vish> rather in gtk*
[16:33] <islington> those pngs are needed to show the volume image in kde
[16:34] <islington> *icon
[16:34] <vish> islington: in the karmic version we just had the svg icons there , the png symlinks were added recently in lucid..
[16:34] <islington> also needed :audio-volume-muted.png
[16:35] <vish> is to just render the icon as a png and install it , rather than using the symlinks ..  ;)
[16:36] <vish> islington: btw , the symlinks just point to the svg , somehow that is the way gtk likes it  :)
[16:37] <islington> let me see if any of the svgs show up gimme a sec
[16:39] <islington> yeah all the indicator icons are screwy
[16:39] <islington> battery, network,
[16:40] <islington> some of the weather icons show up
[16:40] <islington> worse I think in kde 4.5 plasma is going to draw those icons
[16:51] <islington> vish are you sure the symlinks for the pngs is correct? all the other svg symlinks give me a preview
[17:04] <AoP|Boss> hello
[17:04] <islington> writing a list of the symlinks needed
[17:04] <AoP|Boss> any pixel artists here?
[17:05] <AoP|Boss> doesnt matter how experienced, im making a game and i need someone
[17:05] <AoP|Boss> anyone? :P
[17:06] <AoP|Boss> bleh ok
[17:06] <AoP|Boss> anyone interested in doing graphics for an open-source game?
[17:07] <AoP|Boss> peace
[17:10]  * thorwil wonders how hard it would be to turn etherpad into a wiki
[17:38] <islington> vish will add more as I find them:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/humanity-icon-theme/+bug/566996/comments/8
[18:00] <vish> islington: actually it is a hack.. the symlinks are just named as .png , otherwise the icon becomes blurry , in the volume button , it is a bug in gtk
[18:00] <vish> we could just add the rendered png , but i'm not sure we will get an update for lucid :s
[18:02] <vish> islington: do mention any other symlinks we require , we will add them
[18:07] <islington> vish dont add png symlinks, kde is reading svg symlinks fine
[18:11] <vish> yeah , i'll just add them as files..
[18:25] <islington> where are the weather icons located?
[19:34] <vish> islington: they are in the status folder
[19:35] <vish> islington: are you asking about the 22/24px weather icons? well , we dont have them yet ;p
[19:35] <vish> only the 16 and 48px are there ..
[19:54] <islington> vish ah cool


[11:17] <electronplusplus> Hello guys, I posted a question on stackoverflow about problems that I'm facing with i18n, I t would be great if you could give help me with this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27007219/where-to-find-connected-open-i18n-databases
[16:15] <Geochr> Hi all, i have a small question. I traslated a package about one year before, but the translations never updated in ubuntu...I sent an email to the "Project Maintainer" but he told me that he will find a new maintainer.Since our last email never hapends (4 months ago). Is trere a way to push the translations ?
[16:16] <Geochr> The project is: https://launchpad.net/screenruler and the packages in ubuntu is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screenruler
[16:19] <Geochr> I make the same quetion in #ubuntu-quality and the anwer was the following: <balloons> Geochr, #ubuntu-translators is really the best place to ask, but checkout https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LpProjectConfiguration to make sure the project is setup for translation. AFAIK, it should be automatic. New builds should be generated as soon as you add new translations
[16:20] <Geochr> and :  <balloons> if the project is setup right in launchpad it's automatic. the translations folks will certainly have the definitive answer and will know how to setup the project if it's not setup properly
[16:20] <Geochr> Is there any help?


[12:43] <ffxr> anybody any idea how to change icons. for individual apps like vlc, amarok, k3b?
[12:45] <maverick-so> Hello everyone
[12:46] <maverick-so> ... anyone -not- idling?
[12:46] <maverick-so> :)
[12:47] <grazie> ffxr: don't know but have you looked under /usr/share/vlc/ etc, for icons?
[12:48] <tesuki> when using wine agains widows how much slower will my program run?
[12:50] <grazie> tesuki: I think it depends on the program, but I don't use it much. I run one app that seems to run just as well (if not better) under wine
[12:52] <grazie> tesuki: I also tried running Sibelius under wine and that wasn't a success for me
[12:52] <maverick-so> Hopefully someone can help...  I'm running the newest Xubuntu on my laptop with a second monitor connected via VGA - it seems I can get Xinerama -sort of- working, in that it displays a cropped clone screen, but I can't fix the resolution and enable an expanded desktop...  anyone have any experience with this?
[12:55] <ffxr> k grazie.. ve been locate (ing) png & svg files and renaming old all evening.. cant for the life of me get the vlc icon to change.. melt.. wish it was just in a wee text file somewhere..
[12:55] <ffxr> if you have an nvidia graphics card i would try the prop drivers..
[12:55] <ffxr> @maverick-so
[12:56] <maverick-so> No, it's a Radeon Xpress 200M
[12:57] <tesuki> thank you grazie
[12:57] <grazie> np
[01:00] <grazie> ffxr: they're probably cached...
[01:01] <maverick-so> Hm...  brb
[01:06] <ffxr> ahh.. i see what you mean.. grazie.. its driving me mad..
[01:20] <maverick-so> Ok, so now I've tried fiddling, and even turning Xinerama off, but nothing seems to have any effect
[01:20] <maverick-so> I think I'm doing something quite wrong
[01:20] <neozen> trying to get multi-monitor mav?
[01:20] <maverick-so> Yeah
[01:20] <neozen> scary-scary
[01:21] <maverick-so> I really, really want to make a complete move to Linux (esp. Xubuntu) but I kind of need my hardware to work, you know?  I don't expect perfect, or easy, but -something- :)
[01:23] <neozen> I hear you
[01:23] <neozen> the forums been any help?
[01:23] <maverick-so> Not so much.
[01:23] <neozen> O.o
[01:24] <maverick-so> I thought I had gotten Xinerama to display a sort of cropped clone screen, but apparently something else enabled that, because Xinerama doesn't appear to be active
[01:24] <neozen> I thought xinerama was always active
[01:24] <neozen> ..even when you don't have a multi-mon setup
[01:25] <maverick-so> I don't know. Several places claim xrandr won't work with Xinerama enabled, and it certainly doesn't complain when I try and run it
[01:25] <neozen> !xrandr
[01:25] <ubotu> xrandr: X Rotation, Reflection and Resize utility. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 60 kB
[01:25] <neozen> ah
[01:25] <neozen> I take it you're using edgy
[01:26] <neozen> hoallo mez
[01:26] <maverick-so> I believe so
[01:26] <maverick-so> Latest version of Xubuntu
[01:27] <neozen> well... here's an easy check
[01:27] <neozen> ls -l /bin/sh
[01:27] <neozen> if it points to dash
[01:27] <neozen> ..you're on edgy
[01:27] <maverick-so> Indeed it does
[01:27] <neozen> if it points to bash.. you're on dapper
[01:28] <DawnLight> hello! installation seems to be succesful inspite of some problems before! now it asks me wether to install GRUB and mentions the existence of a windows xp operating system which shouldn't exist. does anyone know what it may have found to indicate (falsely) that a winxp installation exists?
[01:28] <neozen> a recovery partition might exist
[01:28] <DawnLight> what is that sorry
[01:28] <neozen> what brand of comp?
[01:29] <DawnLight> brand? asus tusi-m celeron something
[01:29] <neozen> ...some manufacturers put a 'recovery partition' on the HD which allow you to restore the system to factory setup
[01:30] <neozen> ie winXP home or xp pro
[01:30] <cellofellow> DawnLight: did you format the whole disk when you installed?
[01:30] <neozen> I've seen quite a few of these that use a minimal install of XP on these partitions to get the job done
[01:31] <DawnLight> emmmm "erase entire device" if im not mistaken it was
[01:31] <cellofellow> odd then
[01:31] <DawnLight> but i have another hd installed
[01:31] <DawnLight> winxp was installed on it
[01:31] <cellofellow> it'll detect that
[01:32] <DawnLight> that explains it
[01:32] <DawnLight> what if i tell it not to install grub
[01:32] <DawnLight> then its up to the bios?
[01:33] <neozen> you might not be able to boot into linux
[01:33] <neozen> depends on which drive is the master... and which is the slave
[01:34] <DawnLight> i've installed it in the master hd using recommended partitioning
[01:34] <neozen> then you should install grub
[01:34] <neozen> I think
[01:34] <neozen> cello?
[01:35] <DawnLight> can grub be configured not to ask me anything and boot to it automatically?
[01:35] <neozen> yes
[01:35] <neozen> lots of documentation on grub
[01:36] <DawnLight> it may even be useful because i plan to install a SLED distro on the slave hd
[01:37] <neozen> sled?
[01:37] <DawnLight> SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop
[01:37] <DawnLight> blah
[01:38] <DawnLight> will be used for irrigation valve control :)
[01:38] <DawnLight> hopefuly
[01:38] <DawnLight> ill go tell it YES
[01:38] <neozen> hehehe
[01:39] <neozen> dawn... you're using linux to control your sprinkler system?!!?
[01:39] <neozen> ......oi
[01:39] <DawnLight> what
[01:40] <vidd_laptop> is there something WRONG with that?
[01:40] <cellofellow> use Debian. why you need YaST for a sprinkler system?
[01:40] <DawnLight> sounds way more fun then those irrigation computers
[01:40] <neozen> lol
[01:41] <DawnLight> lol
[01:41] <neozen> vidd: heck no
[01:41] <neozen> lol
[01:41] <neozen> just one of the more creative uses I've heard of
[01:41] <vidd_laptop> make coffee....
[01:41] <DawnLight> i was recommended to use SLED because of stability and stuff
[01:42] <DawnLight> im new to linux
[01:42] <DawnLight> i think its wonderful
[01:42] <vidd_laptop> how stable can it be? they signed a deal with M$
[01:42] <vidd_laptop> ^^^ SUSE
[01:42] <neozen> vidd: ::GRIN:: @ coffee maker idea
[01:43] <DawnLight> yes, ive read that in their site
[01:43] <vidd_laptop> Novel....a Microsoft Company......
[01:43] <vidd_laptop> =[
[01:43] <DawnLight> is it considered a crime against huxanity?
[01:43] <neozen> tuxanity perhaps
[01:44] <neozen> ...but humanity will survive ::grins::
[01:44] <DawnLight> lol
[01:44] <vidd_laptop> when you consider that Novell has ALWAYS been a propietary-minded company....it SHOULDNT be a big surpise
[01:45] <vidd_laptop> how many ppl get cut when windows crash?
[01:45] <vidd_laptop> =]
[01:45] <DawnLight> i once seen a guy wearing a student bag with a big red NOVELL on it
[01:46] <vidd_laptop> law student?
[01:46] <vidd_laptop> anyone having any luck with bcm43xx?
[01:46] <DawnLight> computer technician actually
[01:47] <vidd_laptop> =\
[01:47] <neozen> vidd: ::shudders::
[01:47] <neozen> ...another one
[01:47] <neozen> GAH
[01:47] <DawnLight> yeah
[01:47] <neozen> evil card!
[01:47] <vidd_laptop> very
[01:47] <neozen> that blasted thing never works!
[01:48] <DawnLight> anyway my irrigation linux wont be doing the lawn
[01:48] <vidd_laptop> i had it working before my last re-install
[01:48] <neozen> dawn: why not?
[01:48] <vidd_laptop> for some strange reason it boots into the wrong channel and wont see my access point
[01:48] <DawnLight> it will be irrigating an indoor baby leaf machine
[01:49] <neozen> dawn.....?
[01:49] <neozen> whazzat?
[01:49] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, what KIND of "leaf"
[01:49] <neozen> LOL
[01:49] <vidd_laptop> not the kind "for medicinal purposes only" i hope
[01:50] <vidd_laptop> =]
[01:51] <vidd_laptop> neozen, if i could find a replacement for it that would fit in this lappy....i'd buy 2
[01:51] <neozen> the usb_prism2 chipset is very popular
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> no usb
[01:52] <neozen> ..............................oi
[01:52] <DawnLight> good food
[01:52] <neozen> drag
[01:52] <DawnLight> uh oh
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> usb=evil
[01:52] <neozen> tell me it has pcmcia
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> a laptop should have nothing hanging off of it
[01:53] <vidd_laptop> yeah..it HAS the ports
[01:53] <vidd_laptop> and usb ports
[01:53] <neozen> so USE the ports
[01:53] <neozen> its what they're there for
[01:53] <neozen> lol
[01:53] <vidd_laptop> it shipped with a built in card...i WANT abuilt-in card
[01:54] <neozen> particularly when your internal hardware starts acting flaky
[01:54] <DawnLight> installation finished, reboot into grub, choosed the regular boot, graphic progress bar - then one long beep followed by three short ones and black screen
[01:54] <neozen> .....well you have one
[01:54] <vidd_laptop> i just want a built-in card that is linux-freindly
[01:54] <neozen> ...that's broken in linux
[01:54] <neozen> well
[01:54] <neozen> should've bought a thinkpad
[01:55] <neozen> and it pays to do your research on your hardware before you buy
[01:55] <DawnLight> think, pad! think!
[01:55] <neozen> ...its why I bought this one
[01:55] <neozen> aaah
[01:55] <neozen> ok
[01:55] <neozen> you're excused
[01:55] <neozen> .....at last check that chipset works.... kind of
[01:55] <vidd_laptop> and walmart dont sell thinkpads
[01:55] <neozen> lol
[01:55] <neozen> no
[01:55] <neozen> lenovo.com does
[01:56] <neozen> that's where I bought mine
[01:56] <neozen> $1k and worth every penny
[01:56] <DawnLight> many pennies in 1k
[01:56] <neozen> dawn: indeed
[01:56] <DawnLight> so what were those beeps
[01:57] <neozen> vidd: ...lenovo builds the laptops for ibm
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> this was 560$
[01:57] <neozen> vidd: and now... you know why
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> and about 8K$ in headaches
[01:57] <DawnLight> any ideas?
[01:57] <neozen> beeps?
[01:57] <neozen> how many of them?
[01:57] <vidd_laptop> dapper, edgy, or fiesty?
[01:57] <DawnLight> one long and three shorts
[01:57] <neozen> (beep codes aren't standardized)
[01:58] <neozen> ..........uh oh
[01:58] <DawnLight> edgy (6.10 right?)
[01:58] <neozen> asus mb right?
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> kk
[01:58] <DawnLight> how did you know
[01:58] <neozen> *asus motherboard right?
[01:58] <DawnLight> i dont like this
[01:58] <neozen> dawn: you mentioned it before
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> desktop or laptop?
[01:58] <neozen> was just checking
[01:58] <DawnLight> desk
[01:59] <neozen> http://www.bioscentral.com/beepcodes/awardbeep.htm
[01:59] <vidd_laptop> the install completed, grub loaded and THEN the SOS?
[01:59] <neozen> did you change your videocard?
[01:59] <DawnLight> you think the bios made them
[01:59] <neozen> yes
[01:59] <DawnLight> but it was after grub
[01:59] <neozen> hmmmmmmm
[02:00] <neozen> what do you see on the screen
[02:00] <neozen> ...nothing right?
[02:00] <DawnLight> right
[02:00] <vidd_laptop> the kernel talks to the bios during boot
[02:00] <DawnLight> no hdd led also
[02:00] <neozen> .....what kind of videocard?
[02:00] <DawnLight> the onboard one on the tusi-m
[02:01] <DawnLight> need i check?
[02:01] <neozen> no
[02:01] <neozen> probably some kind of intel
[02:01] <neozen> something went kersplat
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, did you run a live cd or the alt?
[02:02] <DawnLight> alt
[02:02] <DawnLight> oh
[02:02] <DawnLight> the live cd did the same thing exactly
[02:02] <DawnLight> during the graphic progress bar
[02:02] <vidd_laptop> but the live booted into live.....
[02:02] <vidd_laptop> ?
[02:03] <neozen> http://www.unitycorp.co.jp/support/download/manual/370/tusi_m_e.pdf
[02:03] <DawnLight> you mean did it run?
[02:03] <neozen> there be the manual for the mobo
[02:03] <DawnLight> already there
[02:03] <neozen> ...perhaps there's beep codes
[02:03] <vidd_laptop> did the live cd run
[02:04] <DawnLight> no it didn't it gave me the same beeps
[02:05] <DawnLight> found the beep codes! scanning...
[02:06] <DawnLight> "video card not found or video card memory bad"
[02:07] <vidd_laptop> try running the recovery mode
[02:07] <vidd_laptop> you should get a command promt
[02:07] <vidd_laptop> *prompt
[02:07] <cellofellow> as root
[02:07] <DawnLight> i remember giving the video card very little memory in the bios
[02:07] <vidd_laptop> then reconfigure x
[02:08] <DawnLight> maybe ill try to increase it?
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, always OVER allow and cut back later
[02:08] <cellofellow> ok, does anybody know how to get libdockapp? libdockapp2 is in the repos but not libdockapp.
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> dont be the guy who cuts 3 times and its STILL too short!
[02:08] <vidd_laptop> =]
[02:08] <DawnLight> hold on
[02:09] <neozen> woohoo me was... somewhat.... right
[02:09] <neozen> libdockapp
[02:09] <neozen> hmm
[02:10] <neozen> nope
[02:10] <cellofellow> I want to be able to mount USB drives with HAL in Fluxbox, and the dockapp I found for it won't compile with libdockapp2
[02:10] <neozen> weird
[02:11] <neozen> yay for non-backwards-compatible libs
[02:11] <neozen> something's very wrong w/ that
[02:11] <DawnLight> gave it aperture 64 and shared 32 got same beeps...
[02:11] <vidd_laptop> give it MORE
[02:11] <neozen> lol
[02:12] <vidd_laptop> treat it like windows
[02:12] <vidd_laptop> keep throwing memory at it till it craws to lofe
[02:12] <vidd_laptop> *life
[02:12] <cellofellow> configure: error: libdockapp >= 0.6.0 is required.
[02:12] <DawnLight> okay doubled it
[02:13] <neozen> and now you're ok?
[02:13] <DawnLight> waiting...
[02:14] <cellofellow> I looked into Sarge's repos. even that didn't have libdockapp
[02:14] <neozen> going away for a bit
[02:14] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, any luck?
[02:15] <neozen-away> cello: you grabbed the -dev package right?
[02:16] <DawnLight> no. now gave it maximum 256 aperture 64 share
[02:16] <DawnLight> waiting...
[02:17] <DawnLight> what about memory post write and cpu to vga post write? what are those?
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> neozen-away, you see someone have success with the bcm43xx?
[02:17] <DawnLight> still beeps
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, no idea
[02:17] <DawnLight> ill try them and then i have another idea
[02:17] <vidd_laptop> set the bios to safty defaults
[02:19] <DawnLight> bricked huh...
[02:19] <DawnLight> lol
[02:19] <DawnLight> okay no good
[02:20] <vidd_laptop> does your live cd still load?
[02:20] <DawnLight> i have an S3 735 ViRGE/DX on the board disabled
[02:20] <vidd_laptop> wb neozen
[02:20] <neozen> danke
[02:21] <DawnLight> its better then the onboard maybe ill try it
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, why?
[02:21] <DawnLight> why what?
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> why you have a second board installed if your not using it?
[02:21] <neozen> so cello... you grabbed the libdockapp-dev package from the repos right?!!?
[02:22] <neozen> not just the libdockapp2 package
[02:23] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, either USE the second board, or REMOVE it
[02:23] <vidd_laptop> and that SHOULD fix your issue
[02:23] <neozen> heheheh
[02:23] <DawnLight> removing it should? alright hold on
[02:23] <vidd_laptop> bios-disabling is tricky......even with wind bloze
[02:24] <vidd_laptop> OSes assume that display boards added trump display board integrated
[02:25] <vidd_laptop> no matter WHAT the bios says
[02:25] <cellofellow> neozen: yes
[02:26] <DawnLight> makes sense actually
[02:26] <DawnLight> hey no beeps...
[02:27] <vidd_laptop> you got display?
[02:27] <DawnLight> hehe but now it says something about failing to run the x display
[02:28] <DawnLight> do i want to see the x server output?
[02:28] <vidd_laptop> that is because during install you told it to configure for one card and not the one your using
[02:28] <vidd_laptop> no....
[02:28] <DawnLight> so reinstall then
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> just get to a terminal and reinstall x
[02:29] <DawnLight> alright
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> wait....
[02:29] <DawnLight> whats a terminal
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> a command prompt
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> brb
[02:29] <vidd_laptop> need to change the baby
[02:30] <DawnLight> thats nice
[02:31] <DawnLight> now i have a black screen with a flashing _. i am assuming that its a terminal
[02:31] <DawnLight> or the terminal
[02:32] <DawnLight> terminal cardinal subliminal radical
[02:33] <DawnLight> critical fiscal naustril
[02:33] <cellofellow> found my problem. libdockapp-dev is 0.5.something, while I need 0.6 for this dockapp.
[02:33] <DawnLight> so one tenth is all you needed
[02:33] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, hit [ctrl] [alt] [f2]
[02:33] <neozen> aaaaaaaaaaaah
[02:33] <cellofellow> big difference I guess.
[02:33] <neozen> yes
[02:33] <DawnLight> it couldn't let one tenth slide?
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> lol
[02:34] <cellofellow> !info libdockapp-dev feisty
[02:34] <ubotu> libdockapp-dev: Window Maker Dock App support (development files). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.5.0-1.3 (feisty), package size 28 kB, installed size 136 kB
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> no luck there cellofellow
[02:34] <cellofellow> 0.6 isn't in feisty either. where will I get it.?
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> lol
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> yahooooooooooo
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> =]
[02:34] <DawnLight> now it says dawnlight login
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> type your username
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> then password
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> then
[02:35] <DawnLight> the line
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:36] <DawnLight> okay hold on
[02:37] <vidd_laptop> now once this works you are obligated to help at least 3 more ppl
[02:37] <neozen> cello
[02:37] <vidd_laptop> =]
[02:38] <neozen> download from source
[02:38] <vidd_laptop> just kidding
[02:38] <neozen> dump into the proper directory
[02:38] <neozen> *download the source
[02:38] <neozen> or just find another app
[02:39] <DawnLight> im gonna spread linux in israel
[02:39] <DawnLight> so what to put in the bus thing?
[02:39] <DawnLight> or leave at default
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> leave as default
[02:40] <cellofellow> drat, even Sid has lbdockapp 0.5. What is the guy who wrote this using? Gentoo?
[02:40] <DawnLight> and amount of memory?
[02:40] <vidd_laptop> default eveything
[02:40] <neozen> cello: slackware mayhaps
[02:40] <cellofellow> don't mess with that one, I think.
[02:41] <neozen> time to find another app
[02:41] <cellofellow> yeah
[02:42] <vidd_laptop> lol i renamed my wireless card from "Broadcom 4306" to "POS"
[02:43] <neozen> hehehe
[02:43] <cellofellow> trouble is there are very few standalone HAL-device mounting apps. Most are part of a desktop environment. xfdesktop does it in xfce4, and gnome-volume-manager in gnome. kdesktop too.
[02:44] <neozen> was wondering how to do that in ubuntu server
[02:44] <neozen> so I could use my 120gb external to backup every once in awhile
[02:45] <DawnLight> phew... so im back in the terminal
[02:45] <cellofellow> well, I'm still searching. I thought that wmvolman would work, but it WON'T COMPILE.
[02:45] <neozen> whee!
[02:45] <neozen> back in the terminal WOOHOO!
[02:45] <DawnLight> giggles
[02:46] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, you golden now?
[02:46] <DawnLight> golden axe
[02:46] <vidd_laptop> you running?
[02:46] <DawnLight> what do you mean?
[02:46] <neozen> reboot
[02:46] <neozen> should be ok
[02:46] <DawnLight> im running back and fourth
[02:46] <neozen> lol
[02:46] <DawnLight> shall i type reboot?
[02:46] <vidd_laptop> is your sysem running like it should?
[02:47] <vidd_laptop> yes
[02:47] <neozen> sudo reboot
[02:47] <DawnLight> hold on
[02:47] <neozen> yes
[02:47] <cellofellow> maybe hal-device-manager
[02:47] <vidd_laptop> neozen, you think you can help with this evil card?
[02:47] <neozen> vidd
[02:47] <neozen> nope
[02:47] <cellofellow> which, drat, has gnome depends
[02:47] <neozen> but I can ask a few friends who have it
[02:47] <neozen> and see how they got it working
[02:48] <vidd_laptop> please
[02:48] <neozen> ...drop me an email
[02:48] <DawnLight> "reboot: need to be root"
[02:48] <neozen> sudo reboot
[02:48] <cellofellow> *sudo* reboot
[02:48] <neozen> like I said
[02:49] <neozen> when you need to be root to do something ... and you're absolutely SURE that its the right thing to do... sudo
[02:49] <vidd_laptop> sudo = "pretend im ..."
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> and with no user name it defalts to root
[02:50] <cellofellow> ok, hal-device-manager is NOT what I want.
[02:50] <neozen> and to do things to the machine that would potentially effect other users..... like reboot... you need to be the owner.... known as root
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> neozen, i dont know your address
[02:51] <vidd_laptop> can you PM it to me?
[02:51] <neozen> I just did
[02:51] <neozen> ....I think
[02:51] <neozen> lol
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> didnt get it
[02:52] <DawnLight> oh my god i have gui!
[02:52] <neozen> WHEE!
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> lol
[02:53] <neozen> dawn: you unlike a lot of people... will not take that gui for granted
[02:53] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, you are now required by the Law of VIDD to help 3 other ppl.....just kidding
[02:53] <neozen> *a lot of modern linux users
[02:54] <DawnLight> haha! i swear to appreciate my gui and cherish it dearly
[02:55] <DawnLight> and im off to play with it now!
[02:55] <vidd_laptop> now beryl is this shiny new toy.....lol
[02:55] <neozen> dawn you go poke that mouse now
[02:56] <DawnLight> thank you so much vidd and neozen
[02:56] <vidd_laptop> neozen, still not getting a PM
[02:56] <Prisoner_> hi
[02:56] <vidd_laptop> *wave* Prisoner_
[02:56] <neozen> vidd<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:56] <mark487> hi all, how can I find out how much ram is used by my onboard intel video?
[02:57] <neozen> tell me you saw that
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> got it
[02:57] <neozen> dawn: you are most welcome
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> but im vidd_laptop .... not vidd
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> vidd is my desktop persona
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> =]
[02:58] <Prisoner_> don't know
[02:58] <Prisoner_> right now I'm using 171mb out of 512mb and I'm running Firefox, Thunderbird, and Konversatoin
[02:59] <cellofellow> mark487: dunno
[02:59] <neozen> me either
[03:00] <neozen> aside from scoping out your bios
[03:00] <neozen> pris: nICE
[03:00] <mark487> isn't there some file that lists what monitor & chipset and such were detected?  I was looking at the file recently but don't remember the name.  ring any bells?
[03:00] <neozen> lspci should display everything
[03:00] <neozen> that's connected to your bus
[03:01] <vidd_laptop> neozen, i sent it...you get it?
[03:01] <Prisoner_> nice the system uses few resources
[03:01] <vidd_laptop> dmesg
[03:01] <mark487> i think lspci lists the hardware.  don't think is lists main memory allocated to video...
[03:02] <neozen> no
[03:02] <vidd_laptop> !dmesg
[03:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dmesg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:02] <neozen> mark: it doesn't list that
[03:02] <neozen> LOL
[03:02] <neozen> that bot needs an overhaul
[03:02] <neozen> really badly
[03:02] <vidd_laptop> mark487, try dmesg
[03:02] <neozen> even just a minor one
[03:03] <neozen> mark: run from the commandline
[03:03] <vidd_laptop> that will give you your shoe size
[03:03] <mark487> hmm, what's dmesg?
[03:03] <vidd_laptop> only everything our kernel did since boot
[03:03] <neozen> yeah.. that
[03:03] <vidd_laptop> *your
[03:04] <vidd_laptop> the shoe size thing was NOT ment for this window!
[03:05] <neozen> LOL
[03:05] <vidd_laptop> please disregaurd it!
[03:05] <vidd_laptop> and dont ask!!!!
[03:05] <vidd_laptop> =]
[03:05] <neozen> Fetish:Foot-age:Forum
[03:06] <cellofellow> 13
[03:07] <neozen> lol
[03:07] <vidd_laptop> neozen, it was a private joke in poor taste inolving various parts of the ananomy, alternative mesuring techniques and preconcived notions
[03:08] <neozen> and mine was something to make those who'd read _pattern recognition_ smile
[03:08] <neozen> ...maybe
[03:08] <vidd_laptop> weknow it is REALLY the other chat channels your in....lol
[03:08] <neozen> lol
[03:09] <neozen> not quite
[03:09] <vidd_laptop> yeah...to docle?
[03:09] <neozen> docle/
[03:09] <neozen> ?
[03:09] <vidd_laptop> man...what is UP with my TYPING today?????
[03:09] <vidd_laptop> docile
[03:10] <neozen> nah... just not a foot man
[03:11] <neozen> ANyway
[03:11] <neozen> mark: any luck?
[03:11] <cellofellow> hmph. this Project Utopia stuff is not very utopian.
[03:11] <neozen> ....there's a sheep in the room
[03:12] <neozen> and no... before you say anything.....  THATS how they support you
[03:15] <cellofellow> use a router on cable and you'll be fine
[03:15] <neozen> you don't get help desk w/ linux
[03:16] <neozen> *don't -> rarely
[03:16] <DawnLight> im gonna call them anyway
[03:16] <neozen> LOL
[03:16] <DawnLight> see how it goes
[03:16] <cellofellow> unless you are big company and shelled out for RHEL
[03:16] <vidd_laptop> why? you have issues?
[03:16] <neozen> yeah
[03:16] <neozen> THEN you get support
[03:16] <neozen> you just hand over your first born in return
[03:17] <vidd_laptop> i called my dsl company to ask them a question about the web interface in my modem, and when they found out i was running linux, they kept trying to hang up on me
[03:18] <neozen> LOL
[03:18] <neozen> yeah... that's the standard experience
[03:18] <vidd_laptop> its SO not funny
[03:19] <vidd_laptop> i told thm...its a WEB INTERFACE....it dont MATTER what my OS is
[03:20] <neozen> LOL
[03:20] <R[a] ndom> never ever tell the truth about that
[03:20] <neozen> yeah
[03:20] <R[a] ndom> especially to customer service bots
[03:21] <vidd_laptop> so i said "prentent i have winxp"
[03:21] <vidd_laptop> they said "put the disk in"
[03:21] <neozen> if they ask for your OS and you say internet explorer... THEN you're in the prime group who calls help-desk
[03:21] <R[a] ndom> I was asked what OS I ran once, and told them "uhh, windows, if it makes your life easier?" and she asked a what I meant so I told her I have Linux "Linksys?" no, Linux "What's that?"
[03:21] <vidd_laptop> i asked to be transfered to someone who KNOWS something or a supervisor
[03:22] <R[a] ndom> the only hard part about lying is remembering what happens when you click things in windows
[03:22] <neozen> LOL
[03:22] <R[a] ndom> if they ask me what I see in my network configuration settings or something
[03:22] <neozen> that's not that hard to remember
[03:22] <neozen> ....things go BOOM!
[03:22] <cellofellow> hehe
[03:22] <neozen> random: just type ifconfig
[03:23] <neozen> same information
[03:23] <R[a] ndom> and the windows network config pane will appear?
[03:23] <neozen> no
[03:23] <neozen> better
[03:23] <R[a] ndom> dude, the problem wasnt getting the info, the problem is knowing what the window looks like
[03:23] <neozen> LOL
[03:23] <neozen> stick a screenshot up on your wall near the computer
[03:24] <R[a] ndom> not that big of a deal, I dont have to do well
[03:24] <R[a] ndom> generally I call them to tell them what the problem is.  I find if I figure it out on my end first, I can generally get past the scripts
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> the real issue is that these dsl modems come with this crippleware in them....
[03:24] <R[a] ndom> ?
[03:25] <vidd_laptop> yahoo or msn crap
[03:25] <cellofellow> I think my DSL modem has Linux and DNSmasq, but I run Linux and DNSMasq on a custom server just to be able to fully tweak it.
[03:25] <R[a] ndom> <3 dnsmasq
[03:25] <R[a] ndom> +opendns servers
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> all i wanted to do was disable it cuzz the junk wont load the internet without signing up with it
[03:26] <R[a] ndom> both here and at my parents place we have ISPs who have no idea how to set up proper dns
[03:26] <R[a] ndom> my parents ISP asked me for the alternate dns servers I was using, because he didn't 'know that trick'
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> R[a] ndom, who is your isp?
[03:26] <cellofellow> my ISP's DNS is ok, but the modem's is a little flakey.
[03:26] <R[a] ndom> here sympatico, but my parents is a smalltown wireless deal
[03:26] <R[a] ndom> great guys tho, I like smalltown isps.
[03:27] <cellofellow> I got Qwest, and will get smalltown Fiber-optic by christmastime.
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, i HATE you =]
[03:27] <cellofellow> You knew I was getting fiber.
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> dieticians and 'net-fiends agree....you can NEVER get too much fibre
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> =]
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, yes...but I'm still jelous
[03:29] <cellofellow> what I want for mounting drives is something like MUT in Puppy.
[03:29] <cellofellow> sorry vidd.
[03:30] <cellofellow> perhaps a ROX appdir version.  I told them to turn it on a week earlier than I wanted cause I knew theyd screw it up..
[03:33] <R[a] ndom> when I got back home I was surprised that everything worked, thoughd I'd been too harsh on them
[03:33] <R[a] ndom> then the next month I got a bill for 4 months usage
[03:34] <neozen> hehehehehehehehehe
[03:34] <R[a] ndom> I called the guy up and told him my story, and he said yeah no problem, credited me the money, and told me how much my new payment was..
[03:34] <R[a] ndom> then 3 days later my connection goes down
[03:34] <neozen> LOL
[03:34] <R[a] ndom> I call up and ask WTF is happeneing. "oh the computer says you put your account on suspension 3 days ago for a period of 3 months"
[03:34] <vidd_laptop> but how can you link (and bill)
[03:35] <R[a] ndom> from then on I've written time, date, employee number, confirmation number, etc on a piece of paper I keep.
[03:35] <vidd_laptop> two sevices to two different ppl?
[03:35] <vidd_laptop> and still say they are "combined offering"?
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> talk about vender lock-in
[03:36] <DawnLight> okay im back
[03:36] <R[a] ndom> YAY!
[03:36] <DawnLight> how you all doing
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> we are complaining about ISP's
[03:36] <cellofellow> complaining about isps
[03:36] <DawnLight> i started it?
[03:37] <vidd_laptop> yep
[03:37] <mark487> hey, from before, the file I couldn't remember was /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:37] <DawnLight> well the report is that they do not support linux
[03:37] <cellofellow> no one does, really.
[03:37] <vidd_laptop> OMG!!!! im SOOO [not]  SHOCKED!!!!!!!
[03:37] <DawnLight> and so not cynical
[03:38] <cellofellow> like in hardware, only nvidia really supports linux. usually it's the other way around. linux kernel supports hardware.
[03:38] <DawnLight> cylindrical
[03:38] <DawnLight> we should all be supporting each other
[03:38] <cellofellow> yeah, well, tell that to wireless chip makers.
[03:38] <vidd_laptop> <.< >.>
[03:38] <vidd_laptop> dont we already?
[03:39] <DawnLight> we are
[03:39] <DawnLight> anyway i have something called an sb4200 surfboard cable modem by motorola
[03:40] <DawnLight> it is used to connect me to the internet via my computer
[03:40] <mark487> lateron
[03:40] <mark487> and thx
[03:41] <vidd_laptop> the sb4200 is rather linux friendly
[03:41] <vidd_laptop> you should not have any issues
[03:41] <cellofellow> a good isp is one that stays out of your way, imho.
[03:41] <DawnLight> and the dude from the support said that if it was connected to the computer via ethernet then linux would have automatically done everything
[03:41] <vidd_laptop> just use the RJ45 cable not the USB cable to connect your computer to it
[03:42] <cellofellow> you should have a dhcp server somewhere.
[03:42] <cellofellow> get a router. :)
[03:42] <DawnLight> and what if i wanted to use the usb
[03:42] <DawnLight> which i really do
[03:43] <cellofellow> my disk (I think it's my disk) is clicking. not good.
[03:43] <vidd_laptop> you WANT sub-standard performance?
[03:43] <vidd_laptop> i used to have that modem
[03:43] <cellofellow> the usb thing usually uses some proprietary protocol anyways, I think.
[03:44] <vidd_laptop> the usb never worked right....even with windows
[03:44] <DawnLight> well, this computer i am using now uses the ethernet on the same modem and its in another room
[03:44] <DawnLight> hence the running back and fourth
[03:44] <cellofellow> I wouldn't expect it to. The USB isn't designed to be a NIC.
[03:44] <cellofellow> dinner time
[03:45] <vidd_laptop> its a flawed design that most [if not all]  modem makers have abandoned
[03:45] <vidd_laptop> hence why most new mobo's havebuilt in nic's
[03:46] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, get you a wireless router (preferably a linksys) and a wireless nic card
[03:47] <DawnLight> in a few days i will move to another apartment and buy a new pc
[03:48] <DawnLight> maybe ill buy a wireless lan card and see if i get internet from somewhere
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> before you BUY the card....research it to make sure it is linux-friendly
[03:49] <DawnLight> absolutely
[03:50] <DawnLight> so anyway - sb4200 via usb... worked alright until now with winxp
[03:52] <DawnLight> what is this: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=1683
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> the linksys wmp54g wireless PCI card is auto-detected by linux and works out of the box
[03:53] <neozen> I've heard great things about that one
[03:53] <neozen> ....I have a buddy who won't shut up about his
[03:53] <neozen> lol
[03:53] <DawnLight> haha
[03:54] <neozen> the intel pro wireless 3945abg is what's in my laptop
[03:54] <neozen> ...and it works spectacularly well
[03:54] <neozen> I didn't have to configure a thing
[03:54] <neozen> ...just installed network-manager-gnome
[03:54] <neozen> and away I go
[03:56] <vidd_laptop> hmmm....i might have to buy me 2 of them
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> i have 2 laptops
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> one is still running windows
[03:58] <vidd_laptop> when i get the cash to replace the busted monitor on it....its getting linux as well
[03:59] <DawnLight> how do i know if linux recognized the modem?
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> depends.....
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> you using the usb?
[04:01] <DawnLight> its connected yes
[04:01] <vidd_laptop> connected with usb?
[04:01] <DawnLight> it was connected through the installation
[04:01] <DawnLight> the usb yes
[04:01] <vidd_laptop> can it browse the web?
[04:01] <DawnLight> no
[04:02] <vidd_laptop> then no...linux dont see it
[04:02] <vidd_laptop> or it sees it as a usb devise that dont do anything
[04:02] <DawnLight> during installation i chose to not configure network
[04:02] <vidd_laptop> go to network-admin
[04:02] <vidd_laptop> is it listed?
[04:03] <DawnLight> how do i get there
[04:03] <vidd_laptop> sudo network-admin
[04:04] <DawnLight> btw how do i switch back to gui when im in terminal
[04:04] <vidd_laptop> {ctrl] [alt] [f7]
[04:04] <DawnLight> hold on
[04:04] <vidd_laptop> but you can open a terminal in the gui.....system terminal
[04:05] <DawnLight> hey what is this
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> ?
[04:05] <DawnLight> i think the screensaver froze the system
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> lol
[04:06] <DawnLight> i see a geometric shape [not moving]
[04:06] <DawnLight> hehehe
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> [ctrl] [alt] [bcksp]  will restart x
[04:07] <DawnLight> if i press alt f2 and nothing happens it means reset time?
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> no....[ctrl] [alt] [f2]
[04:08] <DawnLight> that doesnt work also
[04:08] <vidd_laptop> if THAT does nothing....reset time
[04:08] <vidd_laptop> then when you reboot, turn off the screen saver
[04:09] <DawnLight> with windows a screen saver never hung my system
[04:09] <DawnLight> lol
[04:10] <vidd_laptop> then you havent had windows as long as i have
[04:10] <vidd_laptop> i got my first BSOD from a screen saver
[04:14] <DawnLight> speaking of bsod: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/CVSBSOD.jpg
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> lol
[04:30] <DawnLight> how was dinner
[04:36] <cellofellow> potatoes
[04:42] <DawnLight> so i guess no internet for me via usb then...
[04:42] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, so is potatoes GOOD ormiret wndowsish?
[04:42] <DawnLight> although i've found some alot of information on how to hack the modem
[04:43] <DawnLight> to get a higher limit
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> so then...no, your network-admin did NOT see your modem
[04:43] <DawnLight> that will be nice
[04:43] <DawnLight> they look?
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> sorry ormiret (stupid tab complete)
[04:44] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, did you LOOK at network-admin?
[04:44] <DawnLight> oh i forgot
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> you FORGOT
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> i give you instructions on how to get your usb connection to work and you FORGET to look?!?
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> =]
[04:46] <DawnLight> its 5am
[04:46] <DawnLight> anyway it says cannot display or something
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> open a terminal......
[04:47] <cellofellow> I STILL can't mount removable devices. There are like NO good, independent graphical frontends.
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> system>terminal
[04:47] <DawnLight> gtk warning: cannot open display
[04:47] <cellofellow> weird
[04:48] <cellofellow> don't use sudo, it can make things do that. use gksu
[04:48] <cellofellow> same syntax.
[04:48] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, he is doing it from [ctrl] [alt] [f2] ...not a terminal
[04:49] <cellofellow> oh, do DISPLAY=:0.0
[04:49] <cellofellow> that will make it use the X server.
[04:49] <cellofellow> I tried hacking Puppy's MUT mounting tool, but it's way to designed for puppy.
[04:49] <DawnLight> i thought ctrl alt f2 is a terminal
[04:50] <cellofellow> it's a virtual terminal, and it's DISPLAY setting isn't set by default.
[04:50] <vidd_laptop> no...that is tty2
[04:50] <cellofellow> try echo $DISPLAY
[04:50] <cellofellow> unless you already set it
[04:50] <DawnLight> didnt
[04:51] <vidd_laptop> or hit [alt] [f2]  and type terminal in the run box
[04:51] <cellofellow> Terminal not terminal
[04:51] <vidd_laptop> yeah....caps matter
[04:52] <DawnLight> okay in terminal
[04:52] <cellofellow> DISPLAY=gfam:0.0
[04:52] <cellofellow> and then xpenguins
[04:52] <cellofellow> hehe
[04:55] <DawnLight> i have three connections there
[04:55] <DawnLight> two wired and one modem
[04:55] <vidd_laptop> you can set things us so you can go to a tty and have whtever you type show up in a box on another linux box?
[04:55] <cellofellow> yeah, although usually Xaccess will block you.
[04:55] <vidd_laptop> one of the wired is your usb modem
[04:55] <R[a] ndom> WTF at xpenguins
[04:55] <cellofellow> !xpenguins
[04:55] <ubotu> xpenguins: little penguins walk on your windows. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2-4 (edgy), package size 218 kB, installed size 1316 kB
[04:55] <R[a] ndom> no I just installed it
[04:56] <R[a] ndom> it leaves horrible trails
[04:56] <cellofellow> yeah, but it's not that bad.
[04:56] <cellofellow> They don't work when using the ROX pinboard. They float around under it.
[04:56] <vidd_laptop> R[a] ndom, its the prank factor!
[04:56] <R[a] ndom> it certainly worked on me
[04:56] <R[a] ndom> now my desktop is all messed up, even after I close it
[04:57] <cellofellow> did you close with xpenguins-stop ?
[04:57] <R[a] ndom> no, I ctrl C'd the process in the terminal, and the penguins left but their traces didnt
[04:57] <R[a] ndom> fixed now, I just xkill'd my desktop
[04:58] <cellofellow> you mouse over the traces and they should just disappear.
[04:58] <vidd_laptop> you mave penguin droppings all over your screen!
[04:58] <cellofellow> yeah, it's something up with xfdesktop.
[04:58] <R[a] ndom> nah they didnt
[04:58] <cellofellow> hope this works
[04:58] <cellofellow> !usbmount
[04:58] <ubotu> usbmount: automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.0.14ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 116 kB
[04:59] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, what are the names of the 2 wired interfaces?
[04:59] <DawnLight> i have internet!
[04:59] <cellofellow> yahoo!
[04:59] <vidd_laptop> nvmd
[04:59] <cellofellow> or not actually
[05:00] <DawnLight> i enabled the first one and checked a v and viola!
[05:00] <cellofellow> waaaaay to many people have my name.
[05:00] <vidd_laptop> i have a josh in the house
[05:01] <vidd_laptop> hes' about your age too......
[05:01] <DawnLight> ill go chat from there! exiting!
[05:01] <DawnLight> *exciting
[05:01] <vidd_laptop> we built a computer from parts for his senior prdject
[05:01] <vidd_laptop> and its 100% M$ free
[05:02] <cellofellow> nice
[05:03] <cellofellow> ok, usbmount NOT what I wanted.
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> yeah...its a kick @$$ system
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> 64bit processor
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> half a gig of ram
[05:03] <cellofellow> bot bad at all.
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> 120gig hdd
[05:04] <vidd_laptop> dvd burner
[05:04] <vidd_laptop> WORKING wireless card....
[05:04] <vidd_laptop> only cost ME 400$
[05:05] <cellofellow> now, the programming language with the most stupid name has to be BrainFuck.
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> im going to build an identical system for myself
[05:05] <cellofellow> cool
[05:06] <vidd_laptop> add a multi card reader
[05:06] <cellofellow> how hard is it to put together your own laptop, do you think?
[05:06] <vidd_laptop> 4 gig of ram (if the card HOLDS that much)
[05:06] <vidd_laptop> pretty hard acually
[05:06] <DawnLight_from_t> oh my god
[05:06] <DawnLight_from_t> i can see you
[05:06] <vidd_laptop> cuzz the cases are hard to find new
[05:07] <DawnLight_from_t> no more running back and fourth
[05:07] <DawnLight_from_t> just one more time though
[05:07] <DawnLight> hehe
[05:07] <DawnLight> from there
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> you should register your nick.....
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> so you can "kill" it when you sign on at another location
[05:09] <cellofellow> ghost is cool
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, im acually considering looking at getting laptop parts (new) and building a laptop
[05:10] <cellofellow> just curious, what's anybody's favorite terminal emulator besides xfce4-terminal or xterm?
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> there is a choice?
[05:11] <cellofellow> I sure would like a lappy, and i want to get things as cheap as possible and M$ free.
[05:11] <cellofellow> urxvt is nice.
[05:12] <vidd_laptop> make up your mind cellofellow cheep or M$ free?
[05:12] <cellofellow> they DON'T go hand in hand?
[05:12] <vidd_laptop> no
[05:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yes.
[05:13] <vidd_laptop> it is acually MORE expensive to NOT have a windows install laptop
[05:13] <DawnLight_from_t> how is it so?
[05:14] <vidd_laptop> because the maker gets a kickback from all the crapware tht gets pre-installed
[05:14] <cellofellow> more expensive to build yourself too?
[05:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Macbooks, man.  Macbooks.
[05:14] <vidd_laptop> *nod* PuMpErNiCkLe
[05:15] <DawnLight> where does one buy new laptop parts?
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> from the manufacturers
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> and you pay premium
[05:15] <DawnLight> premium means mucho?
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> its like 6x more expensive to buy the parts then to get it whole
[05:16] <DawnLight> wow
[05:16] <DawnLight> then how come you considering it
[05:16] <DawnLight> i think my computer just whistled
[05:16] <vidd_laptop> to get a NEW 17" screen for the lappy the kid cracked will cost me 50-some dollars less then the laptop did
[05:17] <cellofellow> so, I guess the only way to actually get a laptop is to buy from Apple or HP or Dell?
[05:17] <cellofellow> ok, ivman mounted my usb drive, but it won't let me unmount it.
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> and the only way to do that is to build it myself with parts i KNOW are linux friendly, or buy a mac and pray
[05:19] <vidd_laptop> are mac modems linux freindly?
[05:19] <cellofellow> who needs modems?
[05:19] <vidd_laptop> hmmmmi work for a DIAL-UP internet company.....
[05:19] <DawnLight> hold up are you saying you cant find a linux friendly laptop?
[05:20] <vidd_laptop> i need to troubleshoot dial-up issues
[05:20] <DawnLight> i would imagine manufacturers would support linux
[05:20] <cellofellow> Well, EmperorLinux and other companies will add Linux for you, but it costs extra.
[05:20] <cellofellow> wake up
[05:21] <vidd_laptop> i have not found one yet
[05:21] <DawnLight> you mean to tell me that windows is for sleeping consciousness
[05:21] <R[a] ndom> lots of laptops work great with linux
[05:21] <R[a] ndom> just need to google and find out which ones work
[05:21] <vidd_laptop> yes they work...but not 100%
[05:22] <cellofellow> oh, I'm sure lots of stuff works, but it's just difficult.
[05:22] <DawnLight> and that switching to linux is an expression of my awakening?
[05:22] <R[a] ndom> I put a live cd into my friends laptop, and wireless worked, cpu throttled, shut down properly, etc.
[05:22] <R[a] ndom> dont know what more you guys want
[05:22] <vidd_laptop> dial-up work?
[05:23] <cellofellow> well, lots of hardware works, it's just companies don't put "Supported on Linux" stickers on their devices.
[05:23] <DawnLight> they should
[05:23] <cellofellow> hey, I'm fine.
[05:23] <R[a] ndom> vidd_laptop, actually I do see where youre coming from.. I bet it wouldnt have
[05:23] <R[a] ndom> considering I bet they all have winmodems
[05:23] <cellofellow> well, me do DawnLight
[05:23] <R[a] ndom> youll have to get an old serial 56k
[05:23] <R[a] ndom> with the fancy on/off toggle and the blinkenlights
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> i acually have a pcmcia modem card that IS linux frendly
[05:25] <DawnLight> wow ill put a sticker on my box that says "Linux Inside" or something
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> if only my brother would give it back
[05:25] <cellofellow> DawnLight: one sec, I have a link to something like that.
[05:25] <DawnLight> yes
[05:25] <vidd_laptop> "what do you need it for...you have DSL"
[05:26] <DawnLight> do i have wine here in xubuntu?
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> this is the same brother that says "my windows machine is secure and virus free...i ran norton's last year and it was fine"
[05:27] <cellofellow> http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/53_64
[05:27] <cellofellow> free Ubuntu stickers to replace that "Designed for Windows" sticker.
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> only costs ya postage\
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> i need 40\
[05:28] <vidd_laptop> 4
[05:28] <cellofellow> postage? what's a quarter and then some? this is cool stickers! I now you like stickers vidd.
[05:29] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight is in isreal cellofellow
[05:29] <cellofellow> you should be able to get a fully Linux-compatible laptop and System76
[05:29] <cellofellow> he can order from the Turkey address.
[05:30] <vidd_laptop> i checked....the modems dont work
[05:30] <cellofellow> what?
[05:30] <DawnLight> i'll print it
[05:30] <DawnLight> i have stickers paper
[05:30] <DawnLight> thanks that wonderful
[05:30] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: what about ShopRCubed.com?
[05:31] <vidd_laptop> let me look....
[05:32] <cellofellow> this looks like it rocks. http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/1_11
[05:32] <vidd_laptop> * - Feature not supported in Linux at this time
[05:33] <vidd_laptop> Modem  56 kbs V.92 Fax Modem *
[05:33] <vidd_laptop> they ALL have it
[05:33] <cellofellow> on ShopRCubed or System76?
[05:33] <vidd_laptop> both
[05:34] <cellofellow> what about EmperorLinux?
[05:35] <desres> Hey, I was going to try and download xubuntu, but are the downloaded iso's automatically LiveCD's, or are they going to default install linux when i reboot?
[05:36] <cellofellow> alt will install, desktop will be live
[05:37] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, the raven looks awesome
[05:38] <vidd_laptop> but again...i bet it either has NO dial-up, or the dial-up is a win-modem
[05:38] <cellofellow> it's a linux-ised and customized Lenova Thinkpad
[05:39] <cellofellow> tablet. cool
[05:39] <cellofellow> I think I'd rather the Toucan
[05:40] <cellofellow> ah! EmperorLinux is much more expensive than System76 or ShopRCubed.
[05:41] <vidd_laptop> SWEET!!!!! they biometric scan is working in linux now!
[05:41] <vidd_laptop> FINALLY!!!!!
[05:41] <DawnLight> should i install ubuntu on my new pc or xubuntu?
[05:42] <vidd_laptop> that depends
[05:42] <cellofellow> I knew that they got GDM working with it.
[05:42] <cellofellow> well, Xubuntu rocks for speed on any box.
[05:42] <vidd_laptop> will it be light on resourses?
[05:42] <DawnLight> hey get a chip implant and get it over with
[05:43] <DawnLight> amd 64x2 3800+
[05:43] <vidd_laptop> sorry DawnLight .... no foreign objects are going into THIS sack of flesh!
[05:43] <DawnLight> dual core baby
[05:43] <DawnLight> i agree vidd
[05:43] <DawnLight> but im guessing you have some screws in your mouth
[05:44] <vidd_laptop> you better get a heavy case if you put xubuntu on that !
[05:44] <DawnLight> a heavy case what do you mean?
[05:44] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, no....why would i have screws in my mouth?
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> that system will FLY with xubuntu
[05:45] <DawnLight> i have one. the dentist put it there. i trusted him and he did that. oh well i guess he meant well
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> they wanted to do that too...dental implants.....
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> i said...i dont need teeth
[05:46] <DawnLight> on the other hand it will look better with ubuntu, right?
[05:46] <DawnLight> lol
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> DawnLight, no joke
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> i have had no teeth for ...what...3 years now?
[05:47] <cellofellow> Xubuntu can look awesome too.
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> no...more like five
[05:48] <DawnLight> its nice right now but very slow on this celeron 1400
[05:48] <DawnLight> no teeth at all?
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> ubuntu or xubuntu?
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> none
[05:48] <DawnLight> xu
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> so i cant eat corn off the cob
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> or fried chicken off the bone
[05:49] <DawnLight> how come you have none
[05:49] <DawnLight> you kidding me
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> cuzz i wont have implants
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> no im not kidding
[05:49] <DawnLight> how bout you grow some
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> ??
[05:49] <DawnLight> im sure its not far from you to do so
[05:50] <DawnLight> if the mind gives the order and the body has the nurishment i see no reason to not get that output
[05:50] <DawnLight> aligators grow them all the time i think
[05:51] <DawnLight> sharks also if im not mistaken
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> so do shark...but im no lawyer!
[05:51] <DawnLight> haha
[05:51] <DawnLight> not without teeth youre not
[05:52] <vidd_laptop> i dont miss them really
[05:52] <DawnLight> i totally agree with you on the implants
[05:52] <DawnLight> nasty stuff
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> i DID have the oppertunity to tell someone "What ya gunna do...knock my teeth out?"
[05:53] <vidd_laptop> [he didnt find it amusing for some reason"
[05:55] <R[a] ndom> Whats nasty about implants
[05:55] <R[a] ndom> I know a chick who has pretty much all implants
[05:55] <DawnLight> i bet shes nasty
[05:55] <R[a] ndom> not at all :P
[05:55] <DawnLight> lol
[05:55] <vidd_laptop> lol
[05:56] <R[a] ndom> I didnt know until she told me
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> what was his name?
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> lol
[05:56] <DawnLight> lol
[05:56] <vidd_laptop> R[a] ndom, just kidding man
[05:57] <vidd_laptop> i see the body as a natual element...not to be corrupted by machinary[like the borg]
[05:57] <R[a] ndom> vidd_laptop, resistance is futile
[05:58] <vidd_laptop> i feel the same about transplants
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> feeling is irrelevant.
[05:58] <vidd_laptop> lol
[05:58] <DawnLight> lol
[05:58] <vidd_laptop> i will not comply
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> then you will be destroyed.
[05:59] <vidd_laptop> compliance is irrelevent
[05:59] <R[a] ndom> so this is the kind of people I talk to online.
[05:59] <R[a] ndom> lol
[05:59] <DawnLight> ceise current negative procedures
[05:59] <R[a] ndom> hm
[05:59] <vidd_laptop> if we werentlike this...ya think we'd be ca\hatting ONLINE????
[05:59] <R[a] ndom> probably not in a linux chat room
[05:59] <DawnLight> commence positive actions protocol
[06:00] <R[a] ndom> ^ not very borg :P
[06:00] <vidd_laptop> but DawnLight the old lady's ASLEEP!
[06:00] <vidd_laptop> [also nt very borg-like]
[06:01] <vidd_laptop> R[a] ndom, you know anything about this bcm43xx driver?
[06:02] <DawnLight> if above=true proceed idle status
[06:02] <R[a] ndom> uh
[06:02] <DawnLight> so i think i installed wine now...
[06:02] <R[a] ndom> !bcm43xx
[06:02] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:02] <R[a] ndom> now I know that ^
[06:02] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: if no one knows in #xubuntu, try #ubuntu. Sometimes I've had to go all the way to #linux or ##linux to get help on generic things.
[06:03] <R[a] ndom> I've never used a wireless card
[06:03] <R[a] ndom> I like my cables
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> i like them too...but they dont reach the bathroom!
[06:04] <vidd_laptop> ok...im off to ubuntu for some answers [i hope]
[06:04] <DawnLight> i consider the bathroom a stop for pencil fun
[06:04] <cellofellow> gnight
[06:06] <DawnLight> do i need to restart because i dont see wine in my menu
[06:07] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It won't show up in your menu.
[06:07] <DawnLight> how come
[06:08] <PuMpErNiCkLe> They didn't make a .desktop file for it.
[06:08] <DawnLight> okay ill go read the documentation
[06:08] <DawnLight> thanks
[06:47] <joe4444> is it possible to upgrade xubuntu to ubuntu?
[06:48] <joe4444> for some reason my cd-rw keeps failing when i try to burn the ubuntu edgy live cd (i think b/c the iso is 698mb) but worked on the first try with the xubuntu iso, which is only 540mb
[07:02] <vidd_laptop> *wave maxamillion
[07:06] <emdash> ummm
[07:06] <emdash> i found a problem with edgy
[07:06] <vidd_laptop> what is it?
[07:06] <emdash> Terminal.app conflicts with xfce-terminal
[07:06] <emdash> both packages try to create a file called Terminal
[07:07] <emdash> but the conflict isn't in the package description apparenlty
[07:08] <emdash> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/9391/
[07:09] <emdash> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/9393/
[07:10] <crimsun> I'll update terminal.app and xfce4-terminal accordingly with Conflicts; thanks.
[07:14] <emdash> cool
[07:14] <emdash> no probelm
[07:14] <emdash> *problem
[07:16] <crimsun> both uploaded.
[07:45] <mjl> hello
[07:47] <maxamillion> hi
[07:48] <mjl> looking for a recommendation for a video editor...
[07:50] <maxamillion> mjl: video editor ... hmmmm, i don't do any editing myself so i would be of no help :(
[07:54] <mjl> well, while no help, that is officially my first IRC msg that has been responded to.
[07:54] <mjl> so I'll consider it a victory.
[07:56] <maxamillion> i try to do as much as possible :)
[07:56] <maxamillion> mjl: where all have you been posting?
[07:56] <mjl> just here...
[07:56] <mjl> just installed xubuntu about 30 minutes ago
[07:57] <mjl> so far so good, too.
[07:57] <maxamillion> mjl: you might look http://lives.sourceforge.net/ ... that seems to be the most popular one just from doing some web searching
[08:02] <mjl> installed xubuntu instead of ubuntu because I have a clunker PC.  am now installing a bunch of apps.  Will having apps installed slow me down, or is that more of a Microsoft thing?
[08:02] <maxamillion> microsoft thing
[08:02] <mjl> amen.
[08:03] <maxamillion> the only thing that will slow you down is having alot of them running at once .... just a limitation of physical memory, nothing we can do about that ;)
[08:06] <mjl> hmm.
[08:10] <mjl> should I be able to write to my external USB hard drive if it's FAT32?
[08:10] <maxamillion> yes
[08:10] <maxamillion> without fail
[08:10] <mjl> even if it already has some Windows files on it?  (I'm dual booting)
[08:11] <maxamillion> linux doesn't care what OS wrote the file
[08:11] <mjl> I can copy files from the external HD...
[08:11] <mjl> all the icons have the little lock on them... read-only?
[08:11] <maxamillion> yeah, probably
[08:12] <maxamillion> mjl: do ... sudo chmod +w /path/to/usb/
[08:12] <maxamillion> should work
[08:12] <maxamillion> anyhoo ... i need to go, i have class in 6 hours and need to sleep before then
[08:12] <maxamillion> ttyl
[08:12] <mjl> cool. thanks.
[08:13] <maxamillion> np
[11:34] <Prodoc> mornin'
[11:36] <Prodoc> any one know a small but effective notepad with syntax highlighting for different languages for (x)ubuntu and isn't called vi?
[11:37] <Prodoc> I mean like moudepad but with syntax highlighting
[11:46] <grazie> Prodoc: I think SciTE is pretty good
[11:48] <TheSheep> cream :)
[11:49] <Prodoc> TheSheep, that's not the name of a different program is it? ;-
[11:49] <Prodoc> ;-)
[11:50] <TheSheep> Prodoc: it's a hacked vim
[11:50] <TheSheep> Prodoc: but fits your description
[11:53] <Prodoc> thanks guys
[12:02] <dandoon> does anyone know how to get modem-lights for xubuntu?
[12:03] <dandoon> hello?
[12:03] <dandoon> modem-light help please?
[12:45] <Zeqfreed> hey guys, haven't been here for month or so. glad to see you again :)
[01:13] <Zeqfreed> have anybody had any experience with communicating motorola phones via the usb interface?
[01:15] <Jester45> Zeqfreed: i think they should act like storage... like a usb drive
[01:15] <Jester45> not sure
[01:16] <Zeqfreed> i have some troubles with this
[01:16] <Zeqfreed> when i plug the cable, no devices are created in /dev but lsusb and lsscsi list the phone
[01:17] <Zeqfreed> i think something's wrong with the udev
[01:18] <Zeqfreed> because sg0 is supposed to appear in /dev when the phone is plugged in
[01:19] <Zeqfreed> i get error messages like "Bad target number (x:0)" where x is in range from 1 to 7
[01:20] <Zeqfreed> so it probably can't find any suitable devices
[01:20] <Zeqfreed> this sucks :(
[01:21] <Zeqfreed> and nobody is gonna help me :)
[01:27] <Jester45> yea i think thats a problem for the xubuntu help channel. nobody is here often
[01:28] <Jester45> well im off to school
[01:29] <Zeqfreed> good luck
[01:29] <Jester45> no good luck to you
[01:29] <Jester45> :)
[01:29] <Zeqfreed> yeah thanks :)
[01:29] <Jester45> all i can suggest is googling
[01:30] <Zeqfreed> didn't help this time
[05:28] <Markok765> Hello
[05:32] <maxamillion> hi
[05:34] <Markok765> slow day today?
[05:35] <steveno> does anyone here do development work no Xubuntu?
[05:35] <steveno> on*
[05:37] <maxamillion> steveno: what kind of development work? ... i do contributions, but not core devel work
[05:37] <maxamillion> steveno: why, what's up?
[05:37] <steveno> general programming, c/c++, ruby
[05:37] <steveno> my laptop is starting to show its age and I want to replace Gentoo on it
[05:37] <maxamillion> i don't do ruby ....
[05:38] <Markok765> steveno: How fast(specs?)
[05:38] <TheSheep> ah, you mean working on xubuntu, not working on xubuntu :)
[05:38] <maxamillion> lol
[05:38] <maxamillion> hiya TheSheep
[05:38] <TheSheep> hi maxamillion
[05:38] <steveno> 1.6Ghz Pentium 4, 512M ram
[05:38] <maxamillion> steveno: yes, i develop _on_ xubuntu but not _for_ xubuntu
[05:38] <steveno> TheSheep: yes, sorry for the confusion
[05:38] <maxamillion> no worries
[05:38] <maxamillion> steveno: yeah, xubuntu will do wonders for your laptopo
[05:38] <maxamillion> -o
[05:39] <Markok765> Very fast
[05:39] <TheSheep> steveno: vim+gcc+python+glade
[05:39] <maxamillion> TheSheep: ;)
[05:39] <Markok765> Mine is a 226mhz with 64mb ram
[05:39] <Markok765> My desktop is running ubuntu with a 3ghz Pf and 1GB ram
[05:40] <TheSheep> steveno: note that the devel environment is not on the cd, you need to install it separately
[05:40] <steveno> TheSheep: i use vim and gcc already. haven't gotten into glade yet
[05:40] <steveno> TheSheep: i assumed it would be since thats how Ubuntu is setup. not a problem though
[05:40] <Markok765> Can you install it from the download manager?
[05:41] <TheSheep> Markok765: from synaptic
[05:41] <steveno> i've looked at zenwalk before but i didn't care it. ubuntu has always been good to me though
[05:41] <steveno> i just want away from gnome
[05:42] <TheSheep> gnome's getting heavy
[05:42] <steveno> i've currently got it on my desktop, but its hardware is a lot newer
[05:42] <TheSheep> xubuntu is good for good hardware too :)
[05:43] <steveno> without a doubt, but you haven't converted me yet :)
[05:43] <TheSheep> steveno: no need for that -- you'll convert yourself :)
[05:44] <steveno> lol
[05:45] <steveno> dumb question: can you use beryl with xfce?
[05:45] <Markok765> steveno: zenwalk wouldnt boot up on my laptop
[05:46] <TheSheep> steveno: yes, two problems: beryl breaks the xfce the workspace switcher (it displays weird) and there is really nothing you gain except for fancy animations
[05:46] <steveno> Markok765: i got it to boot, but the dolphin....
[05:46] <TheSheep> steveno: xfce4 uses a compositor too, you know
[05:46] <steveno> TheSheep: no, i didnt' know that
[05:46] <j1mc> TheSheep: did the compositor just come along with xfce4.4?
[05:47] <TheSheep> zenwalk looks just unfinished -- lots of rough edges :)
[05:47] <TheSheep> j1mc: it was there earlier too, it is disabled by default
[05:47] <steveno> TheSheep: my thoughts exactly. i felt like the package manager was just written yesterday and that concerned me
[05:47] <TheSheep> j1mc: with 4.4 they added transparent window decorations
[05:47] <j1mc> TheSheep: cool . . .
[05:47] <steveno> true transparency or fake transparency?
[05:48] <TheSheep> steveno: true. and true transaprency in terminal, with opaque letters
[05:48] <steveno> wow. thats impressive
[05:48] <j1mc> nice
[05:48] <TheSheep> http://sheep.art.pl/shot.png <-- my desktop
[05:49] <j1mc> TheSheep: looks nice!  what icon set are you using?
[05:49] <steveno> definition check: ture transparency = displays what ever is behind, and not just the desktop. correct?
[05:53] <Snelhest> are there any way to install xubuntu from a usb flashdrive instead of a cd?
[06:01] <TheSheep> !install | steveno
[06:01] <ubotu> steveno: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[06:01] <TheSheep> sorry
[06:01] <TheSheep> taht was for Snelhest
[06:01] <Snelhest> thanks
[06:02] <j1mc> !grub | j1mc
[06:03] <TheSheep> j1mc: you can /msg it
[06:03] <Snelhest> TheSheep: the computer is kind of new (1,5ghz celeron m 1gb ram) and it supports boot over ethernet, is that hard?
[06:03] <TheSheep> Snelhest: you just need to configure your dhcp server to server the boot image
[06:03] <TheSheep> serve
[06:04] <Snelhest> ok :)
[06:04] <Snelhest> going to try that instead then
[06:05] <Snelhest> TheSheep: it says neetboot image? cant i just send the whole xubuntu iso?
[06:06] <TheSheep> Snelhest: that's impossible, bootp (the protocol used to send the image) uses UDP which has no error detection -- it's good for short files, but a whole iso would instantly got corrupted
[06:06] <Snelhest> ah
[06:07] <Snelhest> any idea how much xubuntu consumes in HDD space?
[06:07] <Snelhest> 1? 2? its just a 6gb drive :/
[06:08] <j1mc> Snelhest: Xubuntu needs at least 1.5gb to be installed
[06:08] <Snelhest> ok, then its no problem
[06:09] <TheSheep> the default install takse some above 2GB I think
[06:09] <Snelhest> hmm ok
[06:10] <Snelhest> are there any list of what is included with xubuntu?
[06:11] <j1mc> Snelhest: what OS are you on right now?
[06:11] <Snelhest> this computer XP
[06:11] <j1mc> ok . . .
[06:11] <j1mc> hold on . . .
[06:12] <Snelhest> ok
[06:15] <j1mc> Snelhest: sorry, i'm not on xubuntu (or any *ubuntu box) right now . . . check out www.xubuntu.org for info about what software is included in xubuntu.
[06:16] <Snelhest> ok
[06:16] <Snelhest> hmm i found my 1gb usb stick
[06:19] <dv_> hello
[06:19] <dv_> xfburn seems to be broken
[06:19] <Snelhest> hi
[06:19] <dv_> when I try to burn an image, I get in the output:
[06:19] <dv_> cdrecord: Bad Option: speed=.
[06:19] <dv_> Usage: cdrecord [options]  track1...trackn
[06:21] <TheSheep> dv_: try setting the speed
[06:21] <dv_> I did
[06:21] <Snelhest> dv_: i dont really have any idea, but try to delete the .xfburn folder
[06:21] <Snelhest> inside /home/username
[06:21] <dv_> oh just read - xfburn is indeed broken in edgy
[06:21] <dv_> how does this pass QA...? :)
[06:22] <TheSheep> edgy didn't pass QA
[06:22] <TheSheep> dapper did
[06:22] <TheSheep> fesity will probably pass too :)
[06:22] <TheSheep> feisty
[08:17] <cellofellow> is there some keystroke or something to change the X resolution on the fly? Or a command?
[08:19] <ormiret> cellofellow: if you have multiple resolutions defines then you can cycle them with (I think) ctrl-alt-+/- on the numeric keypad
[08:20] <cellofellow> not working
[08:20] <TheSheep> that's disabled by default in ubuntu, I think
[08:20] <TheSheep> or not :)
[08:20] <TheSheep> works for me
[08:22] <cellofellow> My brother wants to use 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024 on his user. He uses Fluxbox. Is there some simple command that I can put in his .fluxbox/startup to set the resolution?
[08:24] <cellofellow> maybe it is disabled. How to enable it? The keystrokes thing?
[08:24] <TheSheep> cellofellow: in the serverlayout section of xorg.conf
[08:25] <TheSheep> cellofellow: see the man
[08:25] <cellofellow> ok
[08:25] <TheSheep>  Option "DontZoom"  "boolean"
[08:25] <TheSheep>               This  disallows  the  use  of   the   Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Plus   and
[08:25] <TheSheep>               Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Minus  sequences.
[08:27] <cellofellow> ok
[08:28] <cellofellow> I see what that does. Is there some command though that will run from a shell script to shrink X?
[08:29] <TheSheep> hmm... not sure if you can control xvidtune from the cli
[08:29] <TheSheep> you can use xvidtune -next and -prev to switch the modes...
[08:30] <TheSheep> there sure are better tools for that
[08:31] <cellofellow> that was... ok
[08:31] <cellofellow> does it read the modes in xorg.conf to do that?
[08:32] <TheSheep> I guess so
[08:32] <cellofellow> seemed that it skipped straight from 1280x1024 to 800x600
[08:33] <cellofellow> ok, I don't think xvidtune is the thing to use.
[08:33] <cellofellow> the proper name for screen sizes in X-talk is "modes"?
[08:34] <TheSheep> cellofellow: not exactly, modes are the screen size+colors+refresh frequency+kind of memory used
[08:35] <cellofellow> oh, so it's more than just the XxY resolution?
[08:35] <cellofellow> I'm just trying to figure out what to google.
[08:35] <TheSheep> cellofellow: for example, the same screen size with 256 colors is different mode than with 16 bit color
[08:36] <cellofellow> is it like the kernel vga settings? like 792 is 1024x768x24?
[08:39] <cellofellow> josh@josh-desktop:~$ xvidtune -show
[08:39] <cellofellow> "1280x1024"   108.00   1280 1328 1440 1688   1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
[08:42] <cellofellow> ok, I think I got it
[08:47] <cellofellow> ok, never mind. that didn't work
[08:47] <TheSheep> :(
[09:20] <Markok765> quitter
[10:06] <knight> hi all
[10:06] <knight> I lost my panel
[10:06] <knight> how do I setup my panel again
[10:09] <TheSheep> alt+f2, type 'xfce4-panel', press enter
[10:11] <knight> ok let me see
[10:11] <knight> it works
[10:11] <knight> now what
[10:52] <ffxr> anybody using vmserver.. how do i update to the latest version..? do i just run the install script from the new tar?
[10:59] <hyper_ch> hiho grazie
[11:01] <ffxr> fuck i broke it ; (
[11:01] <posingaspopular> !language
[11:01] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:03] <grazie> hyper_ch: hi there..how's it going'?
[11:03] <hyper_ch> grazie: fine fine, and yourself?
[11:03] <grazie> fair
[11:04] <hyper_ch> hehehe :)
[11:04] <hyper_ch> I think I found a bug in konversation / feisty
[11:04] <grazie> serious?
[11:05] <hyper_ch> grazie: yes, when you press ctrl-f --> search I think the previous/next buttons are wrong labelled
[11:06] <hyper_ch> not sure if that should be the way it is
[11:06] <hyper_ch> find "next" will move up in the history...
[11:06] <hyper_ch> and I thend to think "next" should move down
[11:06] <hyper_ch> and "find previous" should move up instead
[11:07] <grazie> Works ok on edgy?
[11:07] <hyper_ch> grazie: don't have edgy anymore
[11:13] <grazie> hyper_ch: I looked at the upgrade from edgy to feisty on my mac earlier.... a 360M download!
[11:13] <hyper_ch> grazie: I did a new install
[11:14] <grazie> as the ppc is no longer supported I thought it would be a bit risky
[11:14] <grazie> I've had some feisty test builds installed previously...but no longer
[11:18] <hyper_ch> grazie: btw, on howtoforge is a nice article :)
[11:18] <grazie> hyper_ch: what about?
[11:19] <hyper_ch> grazie: the only problem I had at first with feisty was vmware... but I got that to work now :)
[11:19] <hyper_ch> grazie: and since I bought my new 500gb drive I needed to do a new install anyway
[11:19] <hyper_ch> http://www.howtoforge.com/mydns_mydnsconfig_dnsmasp_on_ubuntu_edgy
[11:26] <hyper_ch> grazie: I think I'm going to try this tomorrow
[11:54] <root_> hi, my xubuntu installation aborted during installing software packages due to a CD-ROM error.  I can get to console, however.  can I just copy the files from somewhere or otherwise continue to install?
[11:56] <vidd_laptop> root_, yes.....
[11:56] <vidd_laptop> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:57] <vidd_laptop> comment out [put # in front]  of the cd line
[11:57] <root_> problem,  wireless card drivers didn't get installed
[11:57] <vidd_laptop> then sudo apt-get update
[11:57] <vidd_laptop> ah.....
[11:57] <root_> ok
[11:57] <root_> i forgot about good ol cat-5 though... i guess i can just plug into the switch
[11:57] <vidd_laptop> can you jack in to your router?
[11:58] <root_> yeah
[11:58] <vidd_laptop> there ya go
[11:58] <root_> would that continue the install process?
[11:58] <vidd_laptop> once you apt-get update.....
[11:58] <vidd_laptop> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[11:58] <vidd_laptop> THAT will continue the install
[11:59] <vidd_laptop> more or less
[11:59] <root_> will that go through the hardware detection process again and install the proper drivers+madwifi for my wireless card?
[11:59] <vidd_laptop> it SHOULD
[11:59] <root_> thanks
[11:59] <root_> if not, i'll stay hardwired and get help that way
[12:00] <vidd_laptop> HEY.....NOT in puplic!
[12:00] <vidd_laptop> =]
[12:00] <vidd_laptop> *public


[13:28] <bmoez_> hi, where can i found details about ubuntu phone and design?
[13:42] <popey> bmoez_: ubuntu phone doesnt exist yet
[13:43] <popey> bmoez_: you may have seen "Ubuntu for Android" which does exist
[13:47] <bmoez_> i mean, the work in progress if it began
[13:51] <bmoez_> all i found about ubunut phone is some design from ubuntu lover like this http://musl1m.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Phone-Explained-271229476
[14:12] <popey> bmoez_: yeah, we don't have anything to show yet
[14:14] <bmoez_> ok :)


[03:44] <glitchd> anyone know whats the deal with xubuntu-desktop where if i refresh the desktop, it breaks all the icon thumbnails and i basically have to log then back it to get the icon thumbnails to show again?
[03:48] <glitchd> geeze...107 users and not one response. guess ill wait a while then..
[03:52] <rumflump> geeze, 4 minutes and unsatisfied :P
[03:52] <rumflump> fwiw, I refreshed my desktop just now and all the thumbnails repopulated after a bit. not sure what's happening at your end
[03:57] <glitchd> lol, well i guess i shouldnt expect and immediate answer, but still, 107 users and no one says anything. and thats how it usually is when i come here. ill aska question and no one ever answers.
[04:49] <drleviathan> I don't even know what "refresh the desktop" means.  Why would anyone do that?  I had 60 days uptime on this laptop and never needed a refresh.
[05:08] <rumflump> in my experience, if you add an emblem to a desktop launcher/file, it won't show up for awhile
[05:09] <rumflump> you can hit f5 to make it appear when impatient :)
[05:09] <rumflump> not sure what other reasons may exist to do it, but there's probably a few
[11:08] <xubuntu70i> hello, i am gonna set up a drbl clonezilla se on a vlan. We have a selfmade user-manual to do this, but for version 16.04 but we now are upgrading to 17.10 after a crash. Can someone please help me a little out? We have been strugling with it for some weeks now..
[11:10] <xubuntu70i> We have two networkcards (eno1 for internetaccess and ssh and esp2s0 for dhcpserver)
[11:16] <xubuntu70i> is this channel dead btw?
[11:17] <xubuntu70i> seems dead, damnit
[12:15]  * ssarah bom dia
[12:18] <zleap> xubuntu70i not really just not active atm
[14:04] <xubuntu97i> hebat betul