[10:27] <michael-vb> Hello.  Is there any easy way to ping people to suggest a package update?  I would specifically love libsane to be updated to latest git (they are actually hoping to do a release soon) before Wily is released, as it fixes a timing bug and makes my scanner work.
[10:29] <michael-vb> Reference bug 1184699 if it interests anyone.  I just subscribed rather opportunistically, as I suspect that bug covers lots of related but different issues.
[10:41] <rbasak> michael-vb: are you asking for a package update for Wily, or for Trusty?
[10:41] <michael-vb> Oh sorry, for Wily.
[10:42] <rbasak> michael-vb: unfortunately Wily has just entered feature freeze, so package updates that add features are no longer permitted without a release team exception
[10:42] <rbasak> michael-vb: we can cherry-pick bugfixes without an issue though
[10:43] <rbasak> michael-vb: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess for details on getting a proposed package upload into the sponsorship queue
[10:45] <michael-vb> To be honest if I can't get this through with low hassle I will just rebuild the package.  I spend a huge effort half a year ago getting an absolutely obvious typo in Compiz fixed with was breaking VirtualBox.  I just hoped that it would be simpler for a not-yet-released distribution.
[10:45] <michael-vb> s/with/which/
[10:46] <michael-vb> But the commits are 09daef4 and 425edc7.
[10:47] <michael-vb> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/sane/sane-backends.git/commit/?id=09daef4a681e43a411b14389ceee9292ffbc29fc
[10:47] <michael-vb> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/sane/sane-backends.git/commit/?id=425edc705e6323353bf99f58c277dc4f0fe47deb
[10:47] <michael-vb> I just need the second, but the first made another bug ticket subscriber happy.
[10:49] <rbasak> It is simpler for the development release - submit a debdiff, get it sponsored. No need for SRU paperwork etc.
[10:50] <michael-vb> Will take a quick look then.
[10:51] <rbasak> If cherry-picking, please include dep3 headers in the quilt patches inside the debdiff though. Helps with future maintenance by being able to track where the patches came from and if they have been included upstream.
[10:55] <michael-vb> Now it starts getting fun.  I have no clue about your versioning systems.
[11:12] <michael-vb> Right, test building with patch.
[11:14] <michael-vb> Let's see if I can install the packages on Vivid, as I haven't yet upgraded.
[11:17] <michael-vb> Doesn't quite finish building the package on Vivid, though it finishes compiling.  How much time do I have?  My conscience won't let me upload an untested patch, but it will be a few weeks before I get round to upgrading.
[11:18] <rbasak> michael-vb: basically, just add git-format-patch output to files in debian/patches/, annotate with dep3 (http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/), add the names to debian/patches/series and add an entry to debian/changelog.
[11:19] <rbasak> You have until final freeze - Oct 15th - to get it uploaded. But you'll need to upload to the sponsorship queue well in advance of that. I'd say at least a month.
[11:19] <rbasak> So ASAP really please.
[11:20] <michael-vb> Then I will upload the patch to the ticket for now and test when I get the chance.  How do I update the change log anyway?
[11:25] <rbasak> dch is a tool for editing debian/changelog, but for a one-off it might be easier just use a text editor and follow the format of the previous entry exactly.
[11:26] <michael-vb> For now I attached the patch to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/1184699/comments/34
[11:27] <michael-vb> I will need more time to understand this process than I have free just now.  If I don't find the time I will just rebuild the package locally again.
[11:27] <michael-vb> Thanks anyway.
[11:33] <rbasak> michael-vb: no problem. If you need any help, feel free to ping me.


[03:07] <c> /18/4
[10:23] <Zic> hi here, my subscribe to ~ubuntu-irc-members team on Launchpad expires on 2015-11-19 and I forgot to renew it :( can someone resubscribe me or is it too late? thanks anyway
[10:24] <Zic> (my account on Launchpad is ~zic)
[20:42] <kbrosnan> i was ctcp pinged by ywh_1 on nick change
[20:42] <kbrosnan> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8852798


[03:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:00] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: WB ! Long time no read . Business goes well ?
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: yep, ive started the paperwork
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: logo is being built, website also
[04:04] <Bashing-om> Ya been a busy little boy ! No idle mind there :)
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:21] <Bashing-om> Closing down for this session; Yall have fun without me, K ?
[06:37] <ducasse> morning all!
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon
[10:14] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse how are you?
[10:14] <ducasse> good, and you?
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> fine, tnx my logo is being created :p
[10:14] <ducasse> cool :)
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> domain is also preserved
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> for start it will be only in dutch
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> when i gain more popularity ill add english later
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[10:19] <ducasse> do you expect to start exporting machines eventually?
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: you mean to other countries?
[10:19] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: yes
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: sure, why not im not going to bound it only local
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i just wanna wait how popular it will be or not at the start, cause english website will cost me more also
[10:21] <Ben64> why?
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: its a hosting company i know
[10:22] <Ben64> seems like just have site.com/en/ or something
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: but it would need translating right?
[10:23] <Ben64> yeah, but i think you know english
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> yes, but im not the one building the website
[10:23] <Ben64> oh
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> its with webshop etc, so bit complicated
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> lemme show you the created logo
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> http://oi65.tinypic.com/jsyagw.jpg
[10:27] <ducasse> that's pretty cool, lotuspsychje :)
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> tnx ducasse
[10:27] <Ben64> kind of similar to a chinese place i got a flyer for today\
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> mean re-source your computer
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> ill set the focus on converting old machines to ubuntu + ssd
[10:30] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: when do you expect the website to be up?
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: 1 month i think
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> im also doing alot of paperwork aswell
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> legal stuff
[10:32] <Ben64> did you have to get the ok from ubuntu
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: ive tryed to contact canonical and theyve sent me a default page
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> so didnt get too far yet on that
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> lemme see if i can refind the mail
[10:36] <ducasse> for using the logo+name, or for setting up computers with ubuntu?
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> both
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> think i need something like system76's disclaimer
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> https://system76.com/disclaimer
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> explaining the ubuntu logo is not part of my business, etc
[10:42] <ducasse> now that they want money from vps providers i guess they could try something similar for those who sell ubuntu computers...
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> well i dont mind paying canonical, but i just dont want troubles afterwards
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> its ubuntu i need on the machines, so i wont bypass saying its a linux Os lol
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/contact-us
[10:44] <ducasse> i'm not sure i think you *should* have to pay them, but that's a different discussion...
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> think thats a trademark issue?
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: depends how canonical thinks about using ubuntu's logo/name on my site
[10:45] <ducasse> for use of the trademark, yes. but you won't be saying you represent them, will you?
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> no
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> but pictures of hardware might show the ubuntu desktop/logo/name
[10:46] <ducasse> i honestly don't know how that works.
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> ill try to resend an email
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> sended
[10:57] <ducasse> argh, i need to install a new cpu cooler today on my desktop, and i'm so not looking forward to it.
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: why's that?
[11:00] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: need to disassemble just about everything, it's a really big noctua thing.
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> oh thats a pain indeed
[11:01] <ducasse> plus, i'm always nervous about breaking  something expensive, when fiddling around the cpu
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> is it own build or brand box?
[11:02] <ducasse> own build, i buildt it last summer.
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> cool
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ive placed a new cpu cooler kina like noctua on my abit mobo aswell
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> with speed tuning at front
[11:05] <ducasse> my case has a fan speed thing at the back, but i just keep it at full. it's so quiet anyway...
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah i also like full speed
[11:06] <ducasse> i'm using the stock intel cooler now, and it gets hot under full load. i rarely run the cpu at full tilt, but want to be able to, for encoding video and such.
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> i see
[11:10] <ducasse> i've got a load of dvd's i want to watch on my rpi, so i need to rip+encode them. on the stock cooler the cpu goes up to 80°C.
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> wow
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: playing with handbrake?
[11:10] <ducasse> yes :)
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: never tested it myself, how long does a rip take?
[11:11] <ducasse> 80° is not dangerous, but it's not beneficial either. on my 4790K a rip of a full length movie takes about 15-20 mins, i think.
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> cool
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> i messed with rmvb rips in the past
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> to get small rips
[11:14] <ducasse> rmvb? *googles*
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> i could get a 700mb into like 200-300mb rip with rmvb
[11:16] <ducasse> that's not bad, but i just use h.264. might switch to h.265 when i get a media box that supports it properly.
[11:16] <ducasse> disk is cheap :)
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[11:17] <ducasse> what's the quality like of rmvb?
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: not too bad, but that depends wich quality your used to
[11:19] <ducasse> it's just surprising they can leave so much data out if the quality is not to go down
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> didnt test on ubuntu, think it was a win prog to rip to rmvb
[11:51] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:57] <ducasse> \o


[07:43] <stub> https://code.launchpad.net/~stub/launchpad/mock-swift/+merge/178047
[07:49] <stub> New python-gnugpg release last weekend


[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #107581 in Ubuntu "cyrillic fonts in emacs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107581
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #107582 in compiz (main) "broken windows with compiz after logoff" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107582
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #107583 in Ubuntu "kdeinit failure after firegl install in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107583
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #107584 in cinepaint (universe) "[apport]  whirlpinch.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107584
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #107585 in cinepaint (universe) "[apport]  shadow_bevel.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107585
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #107586 in freeguide (multiverse) "freeguide dosn't load as Cannot load AWT toolkit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107586
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #107588 in python-defaults (main) "python crash using wx.ListCtrl" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107588
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #107589 in network-manager (main) "Network connection drops intermittently in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107589
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #107590 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107590
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #107592 in Ubuntu "Upgrade to Feisty deleted monitor refresh rates, not being able to log-in graphically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107592
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #107594 in encfs (universe) "encfs does not work with sshfs in feisty AMD64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107594
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107595 in Ubuntu "Windows icons (icon on titlebar) get resized on maximizing/restoring windows on Kubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107595
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #107596 in kdeedu (main) "Kstars: Stop slewing west with Celestron scope does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107596
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #107597 in network-manager (main) "Can't create wireless network is there is no wireless networks found" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107597
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #107598 in network-manager (main) "No one-click method to activate saved manual network profile" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107598
[02:03] <Dazog> i was told to come here
[02:03] <Dazog> to report a bug
[02:03] <Dazog> for the 0415 cdimage
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107599 in slab (universe) "on side panel "computer" label in wrong direction" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107599
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #107600 in helix-player (universe) "helix failure" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107600
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #107601 in Ubuntu "video output corruption with nvidia driver and not with nv driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107601
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #107602 in gcc-4.1 (main) "g++ 4.0 and 4.1 compile non-c++ code" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107602
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #107603 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Ricoh card reader R5C822 does not work AFTER resume" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107603
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #107605 in gnome-keyring (main) "formatting code showing in "allow access" dialogue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107605
[03:40] <Jh00> Hi there, anyone awaken? I was wondering about helping searching for bugs, but I still have some questions... Maybe someone could lend me a hand?
[03:42] <Jh00> hi?
[03:43] <ScottK> Hello
[03:43] <ScottK> !question | Jh00
[03:43] <ubotu> Jh00: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:43] <Jh00> :-)
[03:43] <Jh00> thanks
[03:44] <Jh00> well, I really wanted to contribute to ubuntu
[03:44] <ScottK> OK
[03:44] <Jh00> and although I dont have a great deal of free time, and even though Im not a programer, I consider myself a power computer user...
[03:44] <ScottK> Bug triaging is a good way to start.
[03:44] <Jh00> so, I was wondering if I could somehow help the team to at least test the bugs which are already filled
[03:44] <ScottK> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[03:45] <ScottK> Have a look there.  More help is always welcome.
[03:45] <Jh00> I was looking at some bugs, and found lots of them that dont contain enough information, or are probably out of date
[03:45] <ScottK> Right.
[03:45] <ScottK> Those are good ones to work on.
[03:45] <Jh00> I read that link already, I just dont know if I was already ready to do it...
[03:45] <ScottK> OK
[03:45] <Jh00> if I AM (sorry for the lack of good english)
[03:45] <ScottK> Not a problem.
[03:46] <Jh00> I was reading some bugs and testing them myself, and posting comments... But I dont know how useful it could be
[03:46] <ScottK> That is very useful.
[03:46] <Jh00> Im affraid of flooding launchpad with useless coments that wouldnt help at all
[03:46] <ScottK> If there is more information needed to reproduce a bug, ask the questions to get it there.
[03:46] <Jh00> for example, I was writing comments like "I can confirm this on Feisty RC 20070415 etc."
[03:46] <ScottK> Set the bug to needs info and assign it to the reporter.  This is very valuable.
[03:47] <ScottK> When you do that, do you set the bug to confirmed?
[03:47] <Jh00> hmmm, but do I have power to set it as  "Need info" or should I be somehow promoted to a "greater" hierarchical level?
[03:47] <ScottK> Let's check....
[03:47] <Jh00> nope, I thought that to change the priority/situation etc , I needed special access
[03:47] <ScottK> What's your launchpad ID?
[03:48] <Jh00> hmm
[03:48] <Jh00> I guess it is JlioAlexandrino
[03:49] <Jh00> Have a look at my entries and tell me what you think...
[03:49] <ScottK> I found it.
[03:51] <ScottK> Bug #107354 looks good to me.
[03:51] <ubotu> Malone bug 107354 in gdesklets-data "gDesklets desklet outputing tons of error msgs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107354
[03:51] <ScottK> I can't confirm it because I use Kubuntu and not Ubuntu, but it looks like a good report.
[03:52] <ScottK> Below where it says "Affects", it says gDesklets-data (Ubuntu).
[03:52] <ScottK> Jh00: Click on that and tell me what happens?
[03:53] <Jh00> let me see
[03:53] <shooters> ScottK: everyone can confirm any bug... you need to be part of ubuntu-qa to set importance though
[03:54] <Jh00> loading...
[03:55] <Jh00> ok, a new form has loaded after I clicked gDesklets-data
[03:55] <ScottK> You should be able to change status (as shooters said).
[03:55] <Jh00> there is a drop down text box with the status flags
[03:55] <ScottK> That is where you mark bugs confirmed.
[03:56] <ScottK> This is important.
[03:56] <Jh00> but is it ethical to change it to "Confirmed" even though Im the only reporter?
[03:56] <ScottK> No
[03:56] <ScottK> Not in this case.
[03:56] <ScottK> Just showing you how.
[03:56] <Jh00> ah I see
[03:56] <ScottK> Now looking at Bug #97109, I see you commented on that.
[03:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 97109 in gdesklets-data "Gdesklets doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97109
[03:56] <Jh00> so, suppose I find another bug that I can reproduce here. Even if Im the second reporter, should I set it to "confirmed" ?
[03:56] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:57] <ScottK> One thing I notice in your comment on the second bug is that you are using Beryl.
[03:57] <Jh00> loading
[03:57] <ScottK> You didn't mention that in your original report.
[03:57] <ScottK> This is a signficant factor.
[03:57] <Jh00> ah, but when I tried that first bug, I was using metacity
[03:57] <ScottK> OK.
[03:57] <Jh00> I tried it with both, just to make sure that it wouldnt be the case
[03:57] <ScottK> That's important too.
[03:58] <ScottK> Very good.
[03:58] <ScottK> shooters: He's read it.
[03:58] <Jh00> indeed
[03:58] <shooters> good...
[03:58] <Jh00> I just dont want to mess things up
[03:58] <ScottK> Understand.
[03:58] <ScottK> Asking here is good.
[03:59] <Jh00> so, in bug Bug #97109 in gdesklets-data (Ubuntu), I couldnt confirm it
[03:59] <Jh00> I tried to follow the steps to reproduce the bug, but I couldnt.
[03:59] <Jh00> Now I wonder:
[03:59] <Jh00> since I may dont use the same hardware as that user, it doesnt mean the bug doesnt exist at all...
[03:59] <Jh00> "since I may NOT", I meant
[04:00] <Jh00> so I should leave that bug as it is, am I right?
[04:00] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:00] <ScottK> Much easier to confirm a bug exists than that it doesn't.
[04:00] <Jh00> I thought so
[04:00] <Jh00> as I told before, I may not be a power linux user, but I pretty much know how chaotic a "malfunction" may be...
[04:01] <ScottK> You might leave a comment in 97109 that it might be related to 107354 and also the other way around.
[04:01] <Jh00> ah, I see.
[04:01] <ScottK> That way even though you aren't sure they are a duplicate, you've given someone with more experience who comes after a good hint.
[04:01] <Jh00> good idea!
[04:01] <ScottK> Looking for duplicates is very important too.
[04:02] <ScottK> When duplicates start to pile up against a bug, the more developers will pay more attention and have more information gathered together.
[04:02] <Jh00> yes, I read about that
[04:02] <Jh00> I dont think that would be that difficult.
[04:02] <ScottK> Generally it's not.
[04:02] <Jh00> I searched for "gaim" on launchpad and found a couple of bugs that seemed similar
[04:02] <ScottK> I think that your two bugs we've been discussing are probably duplicate, but I'm not sure.
[04:03] <ScottK> What bugs?
[04:03] <ScottK> If you do Bug # and the number, the bot will pull up a link for us.
[04:03] <Jh00> I dont remember now, Ive been tweaking with launchpad for a good time before deciding to step up
[04:03] <ScottK> Sure.
[04:03] <ScottK> I'll be here for a bit.  Just use my nick in the message and it'll flag me to come back here and look.
[04:04] <ScottK> We'll see if you are right.
[04:04] <Jh00> ok
[04:04] <Jh00> but mostly important...
[04:04] <Jh00> I found at least 4 bugs by searching for "gaim" that were pretty old or lacking basic information
[04:05] <Jh00> so I was wondering: these bugs will probably stay here for a good time
[04:05] <Jh00> maybe I could help somehow
[04:05] <shooters> Jh00: there are a lot of bugs that needs to be cleaned up...
[04:05] <ScottK> Jh00: You should also join the bugsquad: https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad
[04:05] <Jh00> thats when I thought that maybe I could try to reproduce those bugs and make some difference, but I thought that to do so, I would need to apply to a position in the bugsquad, and maybe thats too much for someone who isnt that "enlightened"
[04:05] <ScottK> Jh00: Give us an example.
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #107607 in Ubuntu "disk mount stores impossible mount point" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107607
[04:06] <Jh00> let me see
[04:06] <ScottK> Not at all.
[04:06] <Jh00> this one, for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+bug/72204
[04:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 72204 in gaim "Gaim crashed while sending jpg on msn (msn_session_find_slplink)" [High,Confirmed]
[04:06] <Jh00> ops, forget it, that one has comments....
[04:07] <Jh00> let me try another one
[04:08] <Jh00> this one, for example:
[04:08] <Jh00> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+bug/23693
[04:08] <ubotu> Malone bug 23693 in gaim "gaim should be able to turn on an away message when xscreensaver activates" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[04:08] <ScottK> OK.  BTW, 72000 bugs aren't very old.
[04:08] <Jh00> I havent yet tried to reproduce it, but it is quite old
[04:09] <ScottK> Note that that one is a "Wishlist" bug.
[04:09] <shooters> #56266 : old one to be cleaned up
[04:09] <Jh00> and no one seems to have tried to reproduce it with the lastest version.
[04:09] <shooters> bug #56266
[04:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 56266 in Ubuntu "ethernet configured but not working on dapper 6.06" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56266
[04:09] <ScottK> That means they want a feature added.
[04:09] <ScottK> Those often stay open for a long time.
[04:09] <Jh00> yes, but maybe the feature is already implemented - in which case it should be closed - or either it isnt implemented - in which case someone should point out that with the current version, the feature still doesnt exist.
[04:10] <Jh00> that what I thought.
[04:10] <ScottK> shooters: Unless you have the same card as that guy, you really can't do much with it.
[04:10] <ScottK> Jh00: Yes
[04:10] <shooters> ScottK: it's a breezy/dapper, we leave them open forever?
[04:10] <ScottK> One useful thing to do for old bugs is to see if they've been reported in the upstream bug tracker.
[04:10] <Jh00> in the other example (bug 56266) , maybe someone could flag it as "Need Info", so someone could test it again with Feisty and see if the problem is still there, am I right?
[04:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 56266 in Ubuntu "ethernet configured but not working on dapper 6.06" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56266
[04:11] <shooters> ScottK: shouldn't we ask him if the problem was solved -> to edgy -> feisty?
[04:11] <ScottK> shooters: I reasonable question, but particularly with Dapper, since it's LTS, don't just assume the reporter has upgraded.
[04:12] <ScottK> As it happens, Gigabit ethernet is rather famously poorly supported in Linux kernels until recently, so it' s probably valid
[04:13] <Jh00> what about "Wishilist", should it be flaged as "Confirmed" or just let it be?
[04:14] <shooters> ScottK: that bug has no package assigned and is quite old, how likely is someone will pick it up?
[04:14] <ScottK> Have a look at this.  I searched on the model number of his LAN card: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=88E8001&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[04:15] <ScottK> It looks like it can probably be duped to one of the kernel bugs that were fixed in Edgy (2.6.17).
[04:15] <Jh00> hmmmm
[04:15] <Jh00> makes sense, I got your thinking
[04:15] <ScottK> One trick in Launchpad is that bugs that have dupes against them, can't be dupes.
[04:16] <ScottK> So, go through a stack like that and decide which ones relate to the same issue.
[04:16] <ScottK> Then pick the best one (It'll be one of the fix committed ones I hope) and dupe all the others to that one.
[04:16] <Jh00> yeah, that is mentioned on the BugTrack info page
[04:17] <Jh00> pick the newer/more complete
[04:17] <Jh00> now, look at this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+bug/66385
[04:17] <ubotu> Malone bug 66385 in gaim "Gaim pops up many popups for the same error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[04:17] <Jh00> how on earth could any developer try to trace back that bug
[04:17] <Jh00> there is no version information, and the user didnt point out which error messages were displayed
[04:18] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:18] <ScottK> There is a version in a comment though
[04:18] <Jh00> I think that, even though  the bug may exist, but that report wont be able to produce any good result
[04:18] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+bug/66385/comments/4
[04:18] <ubotu> Malone bug 66385 in gaim "Gaim pops up many popups for the same error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[04:19] <Jh00> yes, I see that he later mentioned the version, but nothing about the actual error messages
[04:19] <ScottK> See if you can replicate the general situation...  Gaim pops up an error window, don't close it, and see if it pops another.
[04:19] <Jh00> and the bug is a little old, so I wonder who else would find it if he has problems to either confirm or deny it
[04:20] <ScottK> What I expect you will find is that this is the way Gaim works.
[04:20] <Jh00> this is the kind of doubt that I expected to discuss here so I can make things right
[04:20] <ScottK> He want's a design change.
[04:20] <ScottK> Design change = Wishlist and should be filed upstream.
[04:20] <ScottK> So, to be complete, you'd replicate the situation as best you can.
[04:21] <ScottK> and then mark it confirmed.
[04:21] <ubotu> New bug: #107608 in gtkpod (universe) "crashed when opening.  Fresh Kubuntu install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107608
[04:21] <ScottK> Then go to the Gaim bug tracker and file a bug there and then link them on LP.
[04:21] <ScottK> Someone in ubuntu-qa (like maybe me) will come along and mark it wishlist.
[04:21] <ScottK> Then we wait and see what Gaim does with it.
[04:21] <Jh00> hmmmm I see
[04:21] <shooters> ScottK: Is there anything that has been planned for the 27,000+ open bugs and increasing?
[04:22] <ScottK> More volunteers and more work.
[04:22] <ajmitch> most people helping out are just volunteers
[04:22] <Jh00> let me try to find another example to learn how to proceed (hope Im not boring you guys)
[04:22] <ScottK> One of the reasons though that the bug count is going up is that we now have automatic crash reporting.
[04:23] <shooters> I know, neither am I... but the # of bugs opened > # of bugs closed/fixed... at some point, open bugs will become out of control. no?
[04:23] <ScottK> This is why finding dupes is a very important job.
[04:23] <ajmitch> ScottK: who, me? ;)
[04:23] <ScottK> Yeah.
[04:24] <ajmitch> there are also a lot of old bugs that may or may not be cloed by new upstream versions of software
[04:24] <Jh00> thats what I thought...
[04:25] <Jh00> maybe now, that Feisty is on the verge of release, I could try to reproduce some old bugs
[04:25] <Jh00> and mark them... Fixed?
[04:25] <ScottK> Yes
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #107609 in firefox (main) "the web browser crashed when I wasn't using it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107609
[04:25] <ajmitch> it's often good to ask the original reporter, and set it to needs info
[04:25] <Jh00> ah I see
[04:26] <ajmitch> & then hope that they reply
[04:26] <Jh00> look at that last bug reported...
[04:26] <Jh00> 107609...
[04:26] <Jh00> no mentioning about anything
[04:26] <Jh00> ubuntu version, firefox version, home page that was loaded, programs running ...
[04:26] <ajmitch> no, but that's what we get from apport
[04:26] <ScottK> As an example of why dupe reporting is important...  I got Bug #96090 fixed in Feisty, but only paid attention to it because of the number of dupes.
[04:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 96090 in klamav "[apport]  klamav crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96090
[04:27] <ajmitch> people just get told that something crashed, and don't know where to go from there
[04:27] <Jh00> ajmitch, ah, I see... hmm, not very helpful, is it?
[04:27] <ajmitch> Jh00: I've seen worse
[04:27] <Jh00> (not flaming, just trying to understand with a bug-fixer perspective)
[04:27] <ScottK> shooters: Are you in bugsquad?
[04:28] <shooters> ya
[04:28] <ScottK> Good.
[04:28] <shooters> but they are soooo many bugs...
[04:28] <ajmitch> shooters: just start drinking from the firehose :)
[04:28] <ScottK> Why don't you go clean up that gigabit ethernet mess I pointed at earlier...
[04:29] <Jh00> How do you point out a link to the first dupe?
[04:29] <Jh00> I mean, is there any code like, for example, phpBB ?
[04:29] <Jh00> [bug] #[/bug]  for example
[04:30] <shooters> ScottK: I've start doing a cleanup of old bugs without package assigned to them...
[04:30] <ScottK> No, there's a spot in the menu on the left.
[04:30] <ajmitch> Jh00: 'mark as duplicate' in the menu
[04:30] <shooters> ScottK: are you using bughelper?
[04:31] <ScottK> No.  I just point and click.
[04:32] <shooters> Is that program used a lot?
[04:32] <ScottK> Dunno.
[04:32] <Jh00> thanks ajmitch
[04:32] <Jh00> let me see...
[04:33] <ScottK> Another good catgory to reject (but be nice) is people who file bugs on stuff that isn't from Ubuntu repositories.
[04:33] <ScottK> We don't support that.
[04:33] <Jh00> hmmm let me see
[04:34] <Jh00> BTW, is there a way to filter all the bugs affecting a specified packet? For example, instead of searching for "gaim", just clicking a "gaim" category?
[04:34] <Jh00> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/105037
[04:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 105037 in aptitude "[apport]  aptitude crashed with signal 7l" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[04:35] <Jh00> look at that one
[04:35] <Jh00> quoting: Binary package hint: aptitude
[04:35] <Jh00> after running automatix on feisty
[04:36] <ScottK> Have a look now.
[04:37] <Jh00> Ahhh, rejected!
[04:39] <Jh00> what if, lets say, you made a mistake by setting it as "Rejected"
[04:39] <Jh00> is there any chance that your decision would be reviewed?
[04:39] <Jh00> or the bug report is lost forever?
[04:40] <ScottK> No.  It's not deleted, it just doesn't come up in default searches.
[04:41] <Jh00> ops, I cant find how to reject another bug, (this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/diveintopython/+bug/90592 )
[04:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 90592 in diveintopython "upgrade using cd from 6.10 failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[04:42] <ajmitch> click on the bug status "diveintopython (Ubuntu)"
[04:42] <ajmitch> which has the > beside it
[04:42] <ajmitch> you can then change the status to 'rejected'
[04:43] <Jh00> Ahhh, nice, it worked, although it isnt very intuitive - maybe I will fill a wishlist for launchpad also :-)
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107610 in gnome-panel (main) "time, recycle and shutdown panels icons are in the wrong location after a screen resolution change." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107610
[04:46] <ScottK> Jh00: You were to slow.  I got that one already...
[04:46] <Jh00> how do you know???
[04:46] <ajmitch> ScottK: aw let new people get them :)
[04:46] <ScottK> Refresh your page.
[04:46] <Jh00> ops, you mean, the automatix one?
[04:46] <ScottK> Yeah
[04:46] <ajmitch> ScottK: you basically duplicated his comment
[04:47] <ScottK> Ah man, then I guess he got it first...
[04:47] <ajmitch> Jh00 commented about 4 minutes before you did
[04:47] <Jh00> lol
[04:47] <ajmitch> you lose
[04:47] <Jh00> and you copied and pasted my reply, thats not fair
[04:47] <Jh00> ;-)
[04:48] <ScottK> Weird.  That's what I put in there word for word...
[04:48] <ScottK> Maybe an LP bug or a really weird co-incidence.
[04:48] <Jh00> hehe
[04:49] <ScottK> I think I got all the automatix ones that needed closing (a couple seemed valid based on other comments).
[04:49] <Jh00> ScottK and ajmitch, your help was very appreciated, thanks!
[04:49] <ScottK> You're welcome.  Your contribution is appreciated.
[04:49] <Jh00> I will try to find some other bugs/dups and report here to see if Im working alright
[04:50] <Jh00> just to make sure
[04:51] <ScottK> I do need to get to bed.  Good luck.
[04:51] <Jh00> thank you!
[04:51] <Jh00> g'night!
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #107611 in xfce (universe) "custom created quick launcher icons on desktop randomly disappear yet still show up in desktop folder." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107611
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #107612 in cvs (main) "cvs crash under certain tag in options file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107612
[05:26] <ubotu> New bug: #107613 in firefox (main) "Just hang withou notice or reason" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107613
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #107616 in Ubuntu "Poor security defaults" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107616
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #107617 in ktorrent (main) "when ktorrent starts up at system startup (I have the sys tray icon enabled), the app crashes " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107617
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #107620 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107620
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107621 in ubiquity (main) "6.06 LTS Installer crashed on MacBook Pro" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107621
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #107625 in python-f2py (universe) "python-f2py should depend on python-dev" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107625
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #107627 in edgy-gdm-themes (universe) "Take all the memory when xnest uses 1x1 geometry" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107627
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #107629 in gaim (main) "[apport]  gaim crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107629
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #107630 in avahi (main) "avahi-daemon fail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107630
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #107632 in pgadmin3 (universe) "[apport]  pgadmin3 crashed with SIGSEGV in wxWindowBase::CaptureMouse()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107632
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #107633 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Dell Inspiron 8200 freezes after ~5 mins of work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107633
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #107636 in Ubuntu "wifi adapter not resumed after hibernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107636
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #107637 in Ubuntu "Crashed the forum I was using at the time." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107637
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #107639 in Ubuntu "/etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh doesn't mount nfs mounts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107639
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #107641 in Ubuntu "possible error in sources.list manpage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107641
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #107643 in rdesktop (main) "rdesktop segfaults after xlib11 updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107643
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #107644 in kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts (main) "Kubuntu package menu disappears after restoring default KDE profiles" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107644
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #107645 in f-spot (main) "feisty f-spot hangs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107645
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #107646 in Ubuntu "nvidia kernel module has version mismatch with nvidia xorg module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107646
[10:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there
[10:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I can't find how to get a backtrace in openoffice
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107624 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu (main) "In the first page with boot option menu, part of the changing characters does not shown clearly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107624
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107626 in gfxboot (main) "The chaning progress percentage characters does not shown clearly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107626
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #107647 in gconf2 (main) "[apport]  gconftool-2 crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107647
[10:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I installed ooimpress-dbgsym
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #107648 in Ubuntu "The Ubuntu community is insane" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107648
[10:38] <dholbach> haha
[10:38] <dholbach> oh man
[10:38] <ivoks> lol
[10:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> guys
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I even reported a backtrace in OO once
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but can't find how to do that now
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I realize there's 108 pages
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in 2 hours :)
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> there
[10:40] <ivoks> i was laughing at but 107648, not you :)
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but in the same 2 hours I would like to report the f**** backtrace
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes I know :)
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107649 in konq-kim (universe) "no se pudo instalar konq-kim" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107649
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #107651 in Ubuntu "timezone selection differs alternate vs gaphical install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107651
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #107652 in Ubuntu "gnome stops managing windows/workspaces" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107652
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #107653 in Ubuntu "ubuntu/ kubuntu 64 fails to boot on msi k9ngm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107653
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107654 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107654
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107655 in Ubuntu "opera 9.20-20070409.6ubuntu2 from edgy-commercial cannot be installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107655
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #107657 in kopete (main) "Kopete + bt848 : Can't select a video standard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107657
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #107658 in coreutils (main) "cut(1) dumps core" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107658
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #107659 in firefox (main) "ubuntu reported firefox crash upon login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107659
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #107661 in Ubuntu "so many old library files after upgrade to feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107661
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #107662 in apport (main) "apport hooks included in python2.4, but code only works with 2.5" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107662
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #107663 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Missing Intel Core2 CPU temperature monitor driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107663
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #107665 in xmms-jack (universe) "XMMS does not connect to jackd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107665
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #107664 in Ubuntu "Kmail/Kontact crashes when opening a folder for the first time using option 'go to last selected message'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107664
[12:11] <tsurc> has anyone got any info on bug #107643 its status in undecided and unconfirmed. I can confirm it and to us at least its very important
[12:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 107643 in rdesktop "rdesktop segfaults after xlib11 updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107643
[12:16] <pochu> tsurc: if you can confirm it... then go and confirm it ;)
[12:16] <tsurc> have done
[12:17] <tsurc> ;)
[12:17] <pochu> cool :)
[12:17] <tsurc> can't change importance though?
[12:17] <pochu> !info rdesktop
[12:17] <ubotu> rdesktop: RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.1-1.1 (edgy), package size 98 kB, installed size 388 kB
[12:17] <pochu> !importance | tsurc
[12:17] <ubotu> tsurc: You can learn about setting bug importance at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[12:17] <tsurc> thanks ;)
[12:17] <pochu> yw
[12:17] <pochu> heya thekorn :)
[12:18] <thekorn> hey pochu !
[12:18] <coNP> heya pochu
[12:19] <pochu> hey coNP :)
[12:19] <pochu> howdy?
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #107666 in gtk+2.0 (main) "Please provide dh_gtkmodules for easier merge and sync from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107666
[12:21] <tsurc> thing is I can confirm that this bug has happened to me personally, but as for fixing/taking Developer responsibility for it I simply don't have the skills. But it is really important to our school that it's fixed.
[12:22] <tsurc> any ideas?
[12:26] <coNP> tsurc: you can help us obtaining a backtrace
[12:26] <coNP> tsurc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs should provide a good start
[12:26] <tsurc> thanks ;)
[12:28] <shab> upgrade to feisty hangs while configuring(postint) xserver-org
[12:28] <shab> I am using nvidia-legacy driver
[12:28] <shab> any idea?
[12:28] <shab> help please!!
[12:28] <coNP> shab: this is *not* a support channel, try to get help on #ubuntu+1, please
[12:29] <shab> thanks coNP
[12:29] <rulus> or #ubuntu in a few minutes :)
[12:30] <coNP> :)
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107667 in kvpnc (universe) "additional network routes not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107667
[12:49] <dholbach> thekorn: heya
[12:49] <dholbach> thekorn: how did your talk go?
[12:49] <thekorn> dholbach: hi,
[12:50] <thekorn> well I think it went fine, got some positive feedback :)
[12:50] <dholbach> ROCK ON
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #107668 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "Setting an invalid mount point can make a removeable media unaccessible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107668
[12:51] <dholbach> thekorn: http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/attachment-cleaning.patch :-D
[12:51] <thekorn> looking...
[12:53] <thekorn> dholbach: YOU ROCK!
[12:53] <dholbach> what it does is 1) move attachments to <package>/<bugnumber>/<librariannumber>/<attachmentname> and use that attachment
[12:53] <dholbach> 2) everytime a buglist is generated from a source package, it removes the attachments that are not in that list
[12:53] <dholbach> it seemed to be the easiest solution to me
[12:54] <thekorn> you are right
[12:55] <dholbach> thekorn: I changed the BugAttachment constructor and realized that apport-retrace does not use it
[12:55] <dholbach> so we should be safe
[12:55] <dholbach> (and anyway, we'll change the API to something clever soon hopefully :))
[12:56] <thekorn> ;)
[12:56] <dholbach> i'll merge to .main
[12:56] <dholbach> so we can see how it works out
[12:56] <dholbach> my test cases worked ok
[12:56] <thekorn> sounds good
[12:57] <dholbach> ok super
[12:57] <dholbach> i'm eager to install it on the server :-)
[12:57] <thekorn> what do you think about using bughelper.main for your cron script
[12:57] <dholbach> i wanted to wait until I package the first version for gutsy
[12:57] <thekorn> ok
[12:57] <dholbach> I had another idea:
[12:57] <dholbach> what about moving the relax ng schema to bughelper-data?
[12:58] <dholbach> that way we had some kind of backwards compatibility
[12:58] <dholbach> ....we'd have....
[12:58] <thekorn> hmm,
[12:58] <thekorn> I'm fine with that
[12:58] <dholbach> we could have a bughelper.rng.0.1, bughelper.rng.0.2, ...
[12:59] <dholbach> old versions won't use any new tags, but new clue files won't kill them
[12:59] <thekorn> will write that on my TODO list
[01:00] <dholbach> we can work on that together - it'd be great to have a small patch for 0.1 so we can get it into feisty-updates
[01:00] <dholbach> daniel@vubuntu:~$ du -sh .bughelper/attachments-cache/
[01:00] <dholbach> 6,6G    .bughelper/attachments-cache/
[01:00] <dholbach> daniel@vubuntu:~$
[01:00] <dholbach> :-)
[01:01] <thekorn> wow, I "only" have 4.1G attachment cache
[01:01] <dholbach> hehe
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #107669 in restricted-manager (main) "[apport]  restricted-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_icon_set_render_icon()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107669
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #107670 in inkscape (main) "[apport]  inkscape crashed with SIGSEGV in ()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107670
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #107671 in nautilus (main) "Emptying the Trash gives an errormessage although it is emptied." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107671
[01:01] <thekorn> did you see that asac added a new element "task" to firefox.info?
[01:01] <dholbach> oh?
[01:03] <dholbach> asac:
[01:03] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ bugxml -v .bughelper/packages/firefox.info
[01:03] <dholbach> Did not expect element task there
[01:03] <dholbach> .bughelper/packages/firefox.info does not validate against /usr/share/bughelper/cluefile.rng.
[01:03] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$
[01:03] <dholbach> asac: that breaks bughelper on the server
[01:04] <dholbach> asac: if you don't mind, I'll fix that now
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #107672 in gnome-session "multiple logins by same user" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107672
[01:06] <dholbach> done
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #107673 in firefox (main) "Fire Fox crashes when openning www.neo5.net" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107673
[01:11] <dholbach> thekorn: I think I'll start working on the relax ng version thingie in a bit and add a '<tag>' tag for testing reasons
[01:12] <thekorn> ok, I will have lunch now...
[01:12] <dholbach> enjoy it
[01:12] <dholbach> i'll have lunch after feisty release too
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #107674 in Ubuntu "suspend from gnome-power-manager menu and logout button have different effects" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107674
[01:16] <thekorn> dholbach: hopefully you don't have to waite too long for your lunch ;)
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #107675 in firefox (main) "Fire Fox crashes when openning www.neo5.net" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107675
[01:16] <dholbach> thekorn: I don't think so :)
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107676 in fiveam (universe) "Running with suite-name is not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107676
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #107677 in geany (universe) "geany crashes on c build" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107677
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #107678 in Ubuntu "after downloading feisty i ave a problem with the new kernel 2.16.20" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107678
[02:06] <ogra> wow, so quier
[02:06] <ogra> *quiet
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #107679 in keep (main) "keep cannot create ftp-folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107679
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #107683 in firefox (main) "Swedish translation for firefox.desktop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107683
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #107684 in libapache2-mod-ifier (universe) "libapache2-mod-ifier:  API module structure "is garbled"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107684
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #107685 in perl (main) "[apport]  perl crashed with SIGSEGV in rrd_test_error()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107685
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #107686 in Ubuntu "Installation doesn't stop when clicking cancel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107686
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #107687 in xfonts-scalable (main) "edgy to  feisty upgrade error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107687
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107688 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107688
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107689 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Swedish translation for .desktop files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107689
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #107691 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "thunderbird 2.0 is out of the oven" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107691
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #107692 in xserver-xgl (universe) "serving some tomcat application - on http request the xgl crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107692
[02:53] <mooey> aheh
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #107694 in kdebase (main) "ksmserver: check for prelinking" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107694
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #107695 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107695
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #107696 in wifi-radar (universe) "After removing wifi-radar package logging in takes long time. " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107696
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #107697 in wine (universe) "[apport]  wine-preloader crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107697
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #107698 in language-pack-es (main) "Broken translations for control panel (Kubuntu Spanish)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107698
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #107700 in openoffice.org (main) "random numbers" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107700
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #107701 in kde-guidance (main) "[apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107701
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107702 in kde-guidance (main) "[apport]  guidance-power-manager.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107702
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #107703 in arts (main) "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV in Arts::Dispatcher::terminate()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107703
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #107706 in kdenetwork (main) "need option to disable rich text by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107706
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #107707 in Ubuntu "Opera 9 (browser) crashes whrn I try to open it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107707
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #107709 in beryl-core (universe) "[apport]  beryl crashed with SIGSEGV in XPending()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107709
[04:21] <ubotu> New bug: #107710 in hardinfo (universe) "hardinfo crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107710
[04:26] <ubotu> New bug: #107711 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu i386 7.04 can't be installed, it dissables many things like x win." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107711
[04:26] <ubotu> New bug: #107712 in Ubuntu "HP NX6125 fails to shutdown in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107712
[04:31] <ubotu> New bug: #107713 in moodle (universe) "php-ldap in moodle seems a missed edpendency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107713
[04:42] <danohuiginn> no avalanche of Feisty bugs yet, then? Wonder how long it'll take for them to land.
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #107714 in ubiquity (main) "installing on a usb thumb drive error, timezone apply error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107714
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #107715 in software-properties (main) "[apport]  software-properties-kde crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107715
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #107716 in update-manager (main) "meta-release check should send pragma: no-cache" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107716
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #107717 in pida (universe) "Please sync pida 0.4.4-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107717
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #107718 in rsibreak (universe) "rsibreak does not take focus when menu is shown" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107718
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #107719 in firefox (main) "When firefox is downloading a file, crashes and restarts the session, it deletes the previously downloaded file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107719
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #107720 in Ubuntu "have no idea" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107720
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #107721 in gs-esp (main) "[apport]  gs-esp crashed with SIGSEGV in gx_image_end()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107721
[05:27] <bddebian> Boo
[05:28] <ScottK> Be
[05:28] <bddebian> :)
[05:29] <cypher1> bug 107720
[05:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 107720 in Ubuntu "have no idea" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107720
[05:29] <bddebian> heh
[05:29] <cypher1> strange bug lol
[05:30] <bdmurray> it's quite descriptive too
[05:30] <ScottK> It's almost as informative once you open it up.
[05:31] <cypher1> ScottK: yes :) i also just did
[05:31] <cypher1> can we reject it ?
[05:31] <ScottK> No.  Try and get more information
[05:32] <ScottK> The reporter is doing the best they can.  Don't make them feel bad for having tried
[05:32] <cypher1> ScottK: found what the problem is -- mouse flies around
[05:35] <ScottK> Does Gnome have settings for mouse sensistivity?
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #107628 in lighttpd (universe) "DoS-vulnerability in lighttpd" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107628
[05:36] <cypher1> ScottK: yes system->prefrences->mouse
[05:36] <ScottK> Then I'd suggest asking him to check that setting and see if it's wrong or if that fixes his problem.
[05:37] <cypher1> ScottK: yes
[05:37] <cypher1> ScottK: i will ask him that
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107724 in evolution (main) "[Feature]   case insensitive sorting of contacts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107724
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107725 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "suspend to ram wake up  problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107725
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #107727 in update-manager (main) "Upgrade Tool crashed upon Feisty Ugrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107727
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #107729 in kde-guidance (main) "[apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107729
[06:13] <dholbach> thekorn: I have a patch ready for splitting out the schema - what do you think about the following convention: we have clue file version 0.2 atm and for every time we just add stuff to the schema, we increment the last number, if we change and break stuff we increment the first number - that way it will be easy to make bughelper dynamically ignore clue files it cannot act on, because the code does not support it
[06:14] <dholbach> arg
[06:14] <dholbach> now he's gone :)
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #107731 in evolution-exchange (main) "Evolution Exchange "receiving option" pane has two "check for new messages in all folders"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107731
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #107733 in openoffice.org (main) "Word document renders incorrectly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107733
[06:19] <ScottK> bdmurray: Should Bug #107711 be against the kernel (it looks like a free video driver problem)?
[06:19] <ubotu> Malone bug 107711 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu i386 7.04 can't be installed, it dissables many things like x win." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107711
[06:21] <bdmurray> ScottK: looking
[06:21] <ScottK> Thans
[06:21] <ScottK> Thanks...
[06:22] <bdmurray> ScottK: looks like Xorg as the video card probably isn't detected right
[06:23] <ScottK> OK.  Did you update it or should I?
[06:23] <ScottK> That makes sense
[06:25] <bdmurray> ScottK: I did not update it
[06:25] <ScottK> OK. Thanks
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #107736 in gaim (main) "Gaim counts bad the news emails." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107736
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #107735 in bughelper "RFC: Make bughelper more cautious about cluefile versions" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107735
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #107738 in network-manager-pptp (universe) "network-manager-pptp doesn't exists in Ubuntu!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107738
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107739 in update-manager (main) "Feisty upgrade aborts - can't install gmediaserver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107739
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #107740 in Ubuntu "Hardwate detection Error on g3 PPC  loading module aec62xx Ide Driver support  " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107740
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #107741 in grub (main) "update-grub manpage uses /sbin rather than /usr/sbin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107741
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #107742 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install loses the selection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107742
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #107743 in Ubuntu "After suspend/hibernate laptop Fn keys no longer work." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107743
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #107745 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107745
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #107746 in adept (main) "WISHLIST: provide a way to stop and resume dist upgrade during download stage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107746
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #107747 in kde-guidance (main) "[apport]  guidance-power-manager.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107747
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #107748 in evolution (main) "Evolution hangs temporarily, for periods of up to 5 or 10 minutes, since late in the Feisty development cycle" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107748
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #107749 in Ubuntu "Cannot download updates through package manager." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107749
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107750 in f-spot (main) "F-spot crashes when trying to export to Web Gallery" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107750
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #107751 in Ubuntu "muting sound in mplayer causes rhythmbox to mute" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107751
[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #107752 in update-manager (main) "Dist-upgrade Edgy-->Feisty has incorrect URL" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107752
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107753 in Ubuntu "Problem with Adept (or even apt)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107753
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107754 in compiz (main) "maximisation broken when maximize_effect is disabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107754
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #107757 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "downloads corrupt" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107757
[08:04] <qense> Would it be a good idea to create a tag for bugs that aren't in (proper) English?
[08:04] <ScottK> No
[08:04] <ScottK> Get more information and make them readable.
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #107758 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "max_cstate and laptop very slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107758
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #107759 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "The detection of display resolution is wrong" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107759
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #107761 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Fiesty Kernel 2.6.20-15 Performance Lag on Athlon64" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107761
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #107762 in desktop-effects (main) "Grey screen when enabling desktop effects on Desktop CD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107762
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #107763 in beryl-core (universe) "Beryl crashed with SIGSEGV in XCloseDisplay() on Kubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107763
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107764 in Ubuntu "The button that turns the touchpad on/off stopped work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107764
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107766 in system-config-printer (main) "system-config-printer adds menu item the same as gnome-cups-manager's menu item" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107766
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107767 in aumix (universe) "aumix dumps core in Ubu 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107767
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #107769 in update-manager (main) "can't upgrade to feisty because of small space in /boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107769
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #107770 in tor (universe) "not able to upgrade tor (6.10 to 7.04)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107770
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #107771 in kde-guidance (main) "Machine had been off for a few days, error came up on startup.  Kubuntu only been installed on this machine a week or so.  Never seen it cause this error before" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107771
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #107773 in arts (main) "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107773
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #107772 in Ubuntu "startup and unespected blender-bin crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107772
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #107774 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel oops with pata_sis" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107774
[09:17] <salgado> has anybody seen a bug about the Mute/Volume-Up/Volume-Down keys of thinkpads stop working?
[09:19] <pochu> salgado: which any special app?
[09:19] <pochu> s/which/with/
[09:20] <salgado> no, the buttons which control the master volume (I think)
[09:21] <salgado> they're the ones close to that blue thinkvantage button of new thinkpads
[09:21] <salgado> they work just fine on 2.6.20-13 but not on -1[45]
[09:22] <sharms> I just saw a bug on it not too long ago
[09:22] <salgado> I know there must be one, but I can't find it
[09:24] <salgado> I saw bug 100042, but the reporter seems to have forgotten about it
[09:24] <ubotu> Malone bug 100042 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Audio Controls do not function" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100042
[09:29] <blueyed> apport-retrace in the datacenter is still paused?
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107777 in Ubuntu "No sound on Asus A6L (A6B00L) laptop" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107777
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107778 in update-manager (main) "Failed to lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107778
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #107779 in adept (main) "Upgrade Tool Crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107779
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #107614 in sbackup "sbackup does not save config file (dup-of: 104294)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107614
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #107781 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox crashed while changing the genre of a group of songs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107781
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #107782 in restricted-manager (main) "X Crash after nVidia GeForce 5700 drivers installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107782
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #107783 in firefox (main) "Embedded flash-animation covers DHTML menu" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107783
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #107784 in gnome-media (main) "[apport]  gnome-volume-control crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107784
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #107785 in Ubuntu "feisty final: no systems for importing settings from" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107785
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #107786 in compiz (main) "switch from dekstop to console and back  black screen" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107786
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #107787 in Ubuntu "prepare partition can't create > 200Gb paritions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107787
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #107790 in software-properties (main) "Software Properties crashed on adding PGP key" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107790
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #107791 in padevchooser (universe) "padevchooser does not start, fails with message ** (padevchooser:12362): WARNING **: pa_browser_new() failed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107791
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #107792 in arts (main) "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV in Arts::Dispatcher::terminate()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107792
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #107793 in Ubuntu "Created partition has errors after installing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107793
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #107794 in gnome-app-install (main) "No nvidia-glx-new .desktop file in gnome-app-install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107794
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #107795 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "System doesn't boot after upgrade to feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107795
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #107796 in kdebase (main) "Kate + DejaVu Sans no longer works" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107796
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #107797 in Ubuntu "gnome-sound-properties crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107797
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #107798 in grub (main) "IDE Drive are Listed as SATA with Feisty Live CD and install causes GRUB to be improperly configured (Error 15 on boot)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107798
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #107799 in update-manager (main) "upgrade tool crashed " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107799
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #107800 in Ubuntu "X does not resume after sleep/hibernate (it crashes) - Lenovo Z60 IBM Laptop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107800
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #107801 in Ubuntu "Internet Download Speed is INCREDIBLY SLOW" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107801
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #107802 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "Mute on shutdown, forgets unmuted volume on reboot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107802
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #107803 in mail-notification (universe) "installing mail-notification-evolution causes to frees evolution " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107803
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #107804 in gnome-panel (main) "dapper -> edgy -> feisty, broken icons in gnome-panel, others" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107804
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #107805 in Ubuntu "Thinkpad T60p ati video card powerstate not lowered when on battery power" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107805
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #107806 in pyzor (universe) "[apport]  pyzor crashed with OSError in run()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107806
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #107807 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "[3c900B]  NETDEV WATCHDOG: transmit timed out/ Resetting the Tx ring pointer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107807
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #107808 in gs-esp (main) "[apport]  gs-esp crashed with SIGSEGV in gx_image_end()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107808
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #107809 in Ubuntu "Upgrader Application crashes on cleanup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107809
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #107811 in update-manager (main) "upgrading kubuntu to version 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107811
[11:06] <yamal> looks like the post-release bug flood has begun.
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #107814 in Ubuntu "No restricted modules with Xen 2.6.19-4 kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107814
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #107813 in devmapper (main) "Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.08 (2006-07-17)(compat) and kernel driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107813
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #107815 in Ubuntu "installing using LVM does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107815
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #107816 in kdepim (main) "kmail crashes on "save as" on multiple selected attachments" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107816
[11:33] <Flannel> that last one is probably related to bug 105623
[11:33] <ubotu> Malone bug 105623 in devmapper "udev rules missing from udeb" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105623
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #107817 in update-manager (main) "Fiesty upgrade MD5Sum mismatch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107817
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #107818 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107818
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #107819 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Right click near bottom right corner deletes message" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107819
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #107820 in update-manager (main) "update-manager failed to install powernowd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107820
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107821 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "no sound with lenovo 3000 n100 0768FEG" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107821
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #107822 in unsermake (main) "unsermake requires python2.4 which is not listed as dependency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107822
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #107823 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice crashes on Insert -> Envelope" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107823
[12:05] <pochu> bug  #35375
[12:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 35375 in scorched3d "Scorched3d SIGSEGV on startup" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35375


[01:29] <lifeless> bradb: ping
[05:25] <benno> hello ppl, i just tried to register an account but I get redirected to http://notready.ubuntu.com/
[05:25] <benno> when I goto the link in my email
[05:27] <spiv> benno: Yeah, register on www.ubuntu.com, it's the same account.
[05:27] <spiv> Known problem :(
[05:28] <benno> okies
[02:03] <ssssssssssssss> hi
[02:05] <SteveA> hello "s"*14
[02:05] <ssssssssssssss> hehehe
[02:05] <ssssssssssssss> :)
[03:06] <AoP> Hi everyone
[03:06] <AoP> I could use some help with joining launchpad
[03:07] <AoP> When I try to follow the link from the "Launchpad Account Creation Instructions" mail, I'm always told that this place is not yet ready
[03:08] <Kinnison> Morning brad
[03:09] <Kinnison> erm, bah; not here :-)
[03:09] <Kinnison> AoP: If you have an ubuntulinux.org wiki account then the launchpad login should be the same
[03:09] <AoP> Thanks Kinnison, I'll try that
[03:11] <AoP> Yep, works, I had to log in at the wiki and change the password first; Thanks again!
[08:47] <ThomasWaldmann> moin :)
[08:48] <ThomasWaldmann> i wanted to try rosetta, but when following the link of the registration email, it tells me it isnt ready?
[08:50] <SteveA> sorry about that
[08:50] <SteveA> we're fixing that problem.  do you have an account on the ubuntulinux.org site?
[08:50] <SteveA> you can use the same username (that is, email address) and password for rosetta
[08:53] <ThomasWaldmann> now yes. :) ok, it worked. thanks.
[08:53] <ThomasWaldmann> i wanted to take a look at it because we currently do the moinmoin wiki engine translations on the wiki.
[08:53] <SteveA> great
[08:54] <ThomasWaldmann> so I just wanted to compare how you do it.
[08:56] <ThomasWaldmann> ah, nice gui. ours is a lot simpler ehrm low level :)
[08:57] <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinI18n/fr
[08:57] <SteveA> it would be great if you can tell the rosetta developers about ideas and observations and criticisms you have
[09:00] <SteveA> wow, that's a long wiki page :-)
[09:05] <carlos> ThomasWaldmann: feel free to send us mails with suggestions/questions to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(and subscribe to the mailing list if you want)
[09:07] <ThomasWaldmann> SteveA: hehe :)
[09:08] <ThomasWaldmann> it's just the complete po file, filtered and checked slightly by some py code
[09:08] <ThomasWaldmann> carlos: are you involved with rosetta?
[09:09] <SteveA> carlos is one of the developers of rosetta
[09:09] <carlos> yep
[09:13] <ThomasWaldmann> ah, great. what i missed first when using it, is a bottom "next 10 msgs" link.
[09:14] <ThomasWaldmann> the whole bar could just be duplicated down there
[09:16] <carlos> ThomasWaldmann: yeah, we have that request already and will be added with other changes we are preparing to the translation form
[09:18] <carlos> ThomasWaldmann: you can see our bug database with feature requests at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/products/rosetta
[09:23] <carlos> :-)
[09:25] <ThomasWaldmann> is there some "just for playing" rosetta somewhere, without login?
[09:27] <carlos> no, we only have available that one


[04:52] <Mirv> robru: ok
[06:47] <abeato> Mirv, good morning, I need some help to upload http://people.canonical.com/~abeato/qtmultimedia-opensource-src/ in silo 16
[07:00] <Mirv> abeato: ok, looking!
[07:01] <abeato> Mirv, thanks, should be the same you did for silo 55 (jhodapp told me you handled that), this is the wily sync
[07:03] <Mirv> abeato: right, this adds the backported playlist support also to wily.
[07:04] <abeato> yep
[07:27] <Mirv> abeato: ok it has soon built for all archs but it'll take up to 20 mins still before it's fully published in the PPA for other packages to use
[07:27] <abeato> Mirv, thanks
[07:28] <abeato> Mirv, was not also needed a -qtmultimedia-opensource-src-gles package?
[07:29] <Mirv> abeato: yes, I'll upload it soon too
[07:29] <abeato> Mirv, great
[07:48] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2, Mirv, ogra_: cancelled our morning meeting since I need to drive to the car mechanic in a moment
[07:48] <sil2100> And probably wouldn't be able to make it on time
[07:57] <jibel> sil2100, okay
[08:12] <Mirv> sil2100: aha, ok then
[10:08] <dholbach> cihelp: how can we get help-app landings moved to vivid (https://code.launchpad.net/~torsten.franz/help-app/help-app/+merge/274746)?
[10:10] <psivaa> dholbach: you basically want to get rid of the utopic runs, right?
[10:12] <dholbach> psivaa, yep - just use whatever is current :)
[10:13] <psivaa> dholbach: ok, some projects are built on wily as well as vivid. but for now, i'll just disable utopic.
[10:14] <dholbach> ok cool
[10:17] <dholbach> psivaa, what will I need to do once it's all done? just re-approve the branch?
[10:18] <psivaa> dholbach: no, just rebuid the failued jenkins job would be enough
[10:20] <dholbach> hum... I don't quite know which buttons to press - can you help me? :)
[10:23] <dholbach> thanks
[10:26] <psivaa> dholbach: that requires, re-approve :)
[10:26] <dholbach> yep, just saw it - thanks :)
[11:52] <Saviq> elopio, ping
[11:53] <Saviq> or anyone else who could help me with an autopilot issue ↑ :|
[12:15] <Saviq> jibel, hey, can you recommend someone to help debug an autopilot issue?
[12:47] <brendand> Saviq, ask ubuntu-qa in general, but i can help you right now
[12:48] <Saviq> brendand, gimme 5min please
[13:02] <Saviq> brendand, ok back
[13:03] <Saviq> brendand, we've silo 22 that somehow completely broke autopilot tests, they just bail out almost straight away
[13:04] <Saviq> brendand, the only suspect log line is AP trying to start the X11 input method instead of UInput
[13:05] <Saviq> but I'm not sure the difference is actually meaningful
[13:07] <Saviq> brendand, here's an example -vvv log from a working and broken test run http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12860476/
[13:13] <brendand> Saviq, that reads like a problem with unity8 to me
[13:13] <brendand> it is initctl start unity8 that's failing (although maybe only because of testability being on)..
[13:14] <Saviq> brendand, I'm just getting a clearer log, this one was a result of previous failures
[13:16] <Saviq> brendand, I think I'm starting to get what's going on http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12860568/
[13:16] <Saviq> that log is much more clear
[13:17] <Saviq> brendand, we changed the internal structure of unity8 to support external monitors, so this check is wrong now
[13:17] <Saviq> brendand, sorry for the noise, back to the drawing board
[13:18] <brendand> Saviq, no problem, i just served as your duck :)
[13:18] <Saviq> :)
[14:19] <Saviq> trainguards, hey, are silo branches available somewhere before they are published?
[14:22] <oSoMoN> ubuntu-qa: any chance silo 10 can be validated soon-ish?
[14:23] <sil2100> Saviq: they're pushed to a special remote place only after publish (and before m&c)
[14:23] <sil2100> Saviq: after building those are only available on jenkins
[14:24] <sil2100> (before publish happens)
[14:24] <Saviq> sil2100, FWIW, could sometimes use them for testing
[14:25] <sil2100> Yeah, I guess that would be a valid feature request, sometimes I also want to see how it looks from the inside
[14:28] <abeato> Laney, we need somebody with super-powers to publish silo 16, which contains the qtubuntu-media changes we talked about... mind landing it?
[14:28] <rvr> sil2100: It's in the queue
[14:28] <rvr> Oops
[14:28] <rvr> oSoMoN: It's in the queue
[14:29] <sil2100> rvr: good good good... what's in the queue? ;)
[14:29] <rvr> sil2100: Lots of silos :D
[14:29] <rvr> Sorry, I was answering to oSoMoN
[14:29] <rvr> oSoMoN: Usually the Ready to QA lane in trello is sorted by priority
[14:30] <davmor2> sil2100: you are in the queue
[14:31] <oSoMoN> rvr, thanks, I do monitor that board, but I was wondering whether there was some sort of ETA ? is it just you currently validating silos, or are there more people on it?
[14:31] <rvr> oSoMoN: I'm alone during the mornings, so maybe alesage will pick it
[14:31] <rvr> If not, probably tomorrow
[14:32] <oSoMoN> okay, thanks
[14:32] <davmor2> rvr: only for the next 2 weeks ;)
[14:32] <rvr> davmor2: Quitter!
[14:35] <Laney> abeato: I queued it... but what are the indicator-sound changes? :-/
[14:36]  * Laney is scared of changing things on the desktop in release week
[14:36] <abeato> Laney, support for mpris controls I think... xavigarcia knows more
[14:39] <jhodapp> Laney, yes just MPRIS controls for phone only
[14:40] <jhodapp> it should be a very isolated change
[14:44] <abeato> xavigarcia, Laney is worried about breaking something in desktop if indicator-sound lands
[14:45] <abeato> xavigarcia, are the changes dangerous?
[14:47] <xavigarcia> abeato: you mean in silos 55 and 16?
[14:47] <abeato> xavigarcia, 16 (wily)
[14:48] <xavigarcia> abeato: I don't think there's anything dangerous...
[14:48] <xavigarcia> abeato: I tested it on the desktop before testing it on the phone
[14:48] <xavigarcia> abeato: But to be 100% we could maybe move to QA
[14:50] <Mirv> sil2100: can you maybe review this https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.wily_add_qt5-image-formats-plugins/+merge/274882 ? (so that QA can process the silo)
[14:50] <Laney> xavigarcia: It's release on Thursday so I am worried about breaking anything with no time to fix it
[14:51] <Laney> is it crucial or could it wait for X?
[14:51] <xavigarcia> Laney: I see... I don't think it is crucial for the desktop, TBH
[14:51] <sil2100> Mirv: how much do the deps + the actual package weight?
[14:52] <xavigarcia> Laney: Although the indicator disables the actions for the next and previous buttons when it's told by MPRIS the UI does not show anything different
[14:53] <xavigarcia> Laney: so the difference it's not really notable. It's different on the phone, though
[15:00] <Laney> xavigarcia: I think we run out of time really, trying to produce final candidate images right now
[15:01] <Mirv> sil2100: as per the bug report, 960kB. the package itself is ~70kB
[15:01] <Mirv> s/960kB/869kB/
[15:01] <xavigarcia> Laney: ok, let's hold it then.... As I said, the user won't notice any difference on the desktop.
[15:02] <Mirv> so messaging app and telegram will need it for sticker support
[15:02] <sil2100> Mirv: hm, webp you say? I guess ~1MB more should be fineish...
[15:02] <Mirv> sil2100: webp, yes
[15:02] <sil2100> Mirv: hm, I think this would need a framework bump then
[15:03] <xavigarcia> Laney: until the UI changes the icons when the action are not defined the user won't see any difference
[15:03] <Mirv> sil2100: I'm not sure, the Qt part is just plugins and existing API is used
[15:04] <pmcgowan> sil2100, yeah no fw bump I think
[15:05] <rvr> bzoltan_: Hi
[15:05] <bzoltan_> rvr: hello
[15:05] <rvr> bzoltan_: I see lots of failures in this log http://people.canonical.com/~bzoltan/ap-2015_10_18-VIVID-SILO55-KRILLIN/MAIN-ap-2015_10_18-vivid-055
[15:05] <rvr> bzoltan_: Much more than in the previous run http://people.canonical.com/~bzoltan/ap-2015_10_02-VIVID-SILO31-KRILLIN/MAIN-ap-2015_10_03-vivid-031
[15:06] <bzoltan_> rvr: yes, but UITK has nothing to do with them
[15:06] <bzoltan_> rvr: as you see those are not introduced by the silo055
[15:07] <rvr> bzoltan_: There are some failures in messaging and sudoku, those are not new
[15:07] <rvr> bzoltan_: But there are many failures for ubuntuuitoolkit.tests
[15:07] <bzoltan_> rvr: if the logs say that "Same on archive" then it means that the failures are not new
[15:08] <rvr> bzoltan_: ahh, I see
[15:08] <bzoltan_> rvr: flakiness
[15:08] <bzoltan_> rvr:  not fun
[15:08] <rvr> bzoltan_: So, what's up with these?
[15:08] <rvr> Ah
[15:08] <rvr> Hmm
[15:08] <rvr> But if "same on archive" means they can be reproduced
[15:08] <bzoltan_> rvr: If rhe archive tests fail without  the silo then I do not care
[15:09] <bzoltan_> rvr: NO, the "same on archiv" means that the same test has failed on the stock image... so it is not a regression. Regression is when a test is OK on the stock image but fails with the silo
[15:09] <rvr> bzoltan_: But there is a chance that a regression was introduced in the archive
[15:10] <bzoltan_> rvr:  and the possible regressions are marked as real regressions if they fail twice with the silo
[15:10] <bzoltan_> rvr:  if the regression was introduced in the archive then it is a problem of whoever it introduced
[15:10] <bzoltan_> rvr: people should do the same testing as I do ..
[15:11] <rvr> bzoltan_: I'm talking about ubuntuuitoolkit.tests :-/
[15:11] <bzoltan_> rvr: But I can not do much about regressions introduced between two UITK landings
[15:11] <rvr> bzoltan_: There are 32 failures... it worrying
[15:11] <rvr> it is
[15:12] <bzoltan_> rvr: there is nothing new about those failures...
[15:12] <bzoltan_> rvr:  see the previous landing -> http://people.canonical.com/~bzoltan/ap-2015_10_08-VIVID-SILO23-KRILLIN/MAIN-ap-2015_10_09-vivid-023
[15:13] <rvr> bzoltan_: I see
[15:13] <rvr> Someone should take a look and fix them, if they are consistent failures
[15:13] <bzoltan_> rvr:  before that  the UITK AP tests were broken, but the logs are here http://people.canonical.com/~bzoltan/ap-2015_10_02-VIVID-SILO31-KRILLIN/uitk_test.logs - rev1658
[15:14] <bzoltan_> rvr: I do not mean that those 32 failures are not problem... but for sure they  are not new problems.
[15:15] <rvr> bzoltan_: Agreed on that
[15:15] <bzoltan_> rvr: those are failures since longtime... we are working on to make them pass, but they are broken tests and not broken functionality
[15:15] <bzoltan_> rvr: with the UITK test plan I look for regression
[15:15] <rvr> bzoltan_: By the way, I found something weird this morning on Today scope in rc-proposed
[15:16] <bzoltan_> rvr:  tell me
[15:16] <rvr> bzoltan_: The ">" sign becomes big when scrolling
[15:16] <bzoltan_> rvr:  wow
[15:16] <bzoltan_> rvr: is that intentional
[15:16] <rvr> bzoltan_: When it is near the title bar
[15:16] <rvr> I don't know
[15:17] <rvr> Hmm
[15:18] <rvr> Cannot see it now in latest rc-proposed
[15:18] <rvr> Well, then nevermind, I will open a bug if I can reproduce it
[15:18] <bzoltan_> rvr: OK
[15:19] <bzoltan_> rvr:  and about those 32 failures... i am pushing to fix them buy the next landing
[15:19] <rvr> bzoltan_: Ok, thanks
[15:19] <davmor2> bzoltan_: you have money to burn buying the next release
[15:21] <rvr> Proceeding to test silo 55
[15:36] <abeato> Laney, could not it land in the ppa overlay, for wily?
[15:37] <Laney> abeato: does that exist?
[15:37] <Laney> I don't know, that's not my decision :)
[15:38] <abeato> Laney, the stable phone overlay has a wily pocket: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay
[15:39] <abeato> Laney, I guess the packages there will be copied over when X starts
[15:50] <bzoltan_> davmor2: :D do you have something interesting there what you are waiting for?
[15:55] <rvr> dbarth: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1507667
[15:57] <ogra_> lol
[15:57] <ogra_> thats fallout of disabling the file:// protocol
[15:58] <ogra_> rvr, can you check if the url actually starts with file:// ?
[15:58] <ogra_> oh, it says so in the error page, heh
[15:59] <ogra_> jdstrand, ^^^ can we add an exception to the browser apparmor profile for /custom/vendor/here/location-rpovider/ to make file:// work for the pages in there ?
[15:59] <ogra_> quite an oversight :)
[16:00] <rvr> Yup
[16:01] <jdstrand> ogra_: sure. ask oSoMoN to add it
[16:05] <rvr> bzoltan_: Silo 55 approved
[16:05] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2, ogra_: I'm semi-off today, so no meeting in case you guys are on it
[16:05] <ogra_> jdstrand, ah, i thought it is in apparmor-easyprof
[16:05] <bzoltan_> rvr: \o/
[16:05] <ogra_> sil2100, yeah
[16:05] <davmor2> sil2100: cancellor
[16:06] <jdstrand> ogra_: the webbrowser app ships a profile based on easyprof, but it is a deb so ships its own policy
[16:06] <ogra_> ah
[16:12] <dbarth> rvr: ack
[16:41] <jhodapp> sil2100, any issues with landing https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/qtubuntu-media/mediascanner-dependency-removal/+merge/274914 for wily right now?
[17:03] <popey> jibel: I realise you are all super busy, created https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/534 for clock app. contains a DST fix which we'd love to land in the store before the weekend (when DST happens in Europe)
[17:03]  * popey sends hugs and kisses and cake and beer
[17:04] <jibel> popey, okay
[17:40] <jhodapp> jibel, do you know if there's any issues if I land https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/qtubuntu-media/mediascanner-dependency-removal/+merge/274914 in wily right now?
[17:41] <jhodapp> jibel, the mediascanner team needs this to get mediascanner from being stuck in proposed
[17:47] <jibel> jhodapp, it is in universe, I don't think there is a problem to upload it to wily.
[17:47] <jhodapp> ok great thanks
[17:59] <robru> sil2100: slangasek: we doing the meeting today?
[18:11] <jhodapp> robru, can you publish silo 18 please?
[18:12] <robru> jhodapp: I can't if you can't
[18:12] <jhodapp> oh ok
[18:12] <robru> jhodapp: need a core dev nowadays
[18:12] <jhodapp> kenvandine, I know you can, care to publish silo 18 for me please?
[18:12] <jhodapp> robru, here I thought you had special access ;)
[18:12] <robru> jhodapp: I used to but not any longer :-(
[18:13] <jhodapp> bummer
[18:32] <jhodapp> cyphermox, ping
[18:32] <cyphermox> jhodapp: hello
[18:32] <jhodapp> cyphermox, hey man, you still have core dev status, right?
[18:32] <cyphermox> yes
[18:33] <jhodapp> cyphermox, perfect, would you mind publishing silo 18 for me please then
[18:33] <cyphermox> lemme look
[18:34] <cyphermox> this is marked as landing to wily, is it absolutely critical?
[18:34] <cyphermox> because I can publish but it doesn't mean it will be allowed through (not my call)
[18:35] <jhodapp> cyphermox, it is, it will unblock mediascanner which is stuck in proposed
[18:37] <robru> jhodapp: the thing is that wily is being released on thursday so people are hesitant to land stuff this close to the end if it's not some super-critical bugfix.
[18:38] <jhodapp> robru, yeah this is super critical
[18:38] <robru> jhodapp: is mediascanner used in the desktop in any way?
[18:38] <jhodapp> it is
[18:38] <robru> jhodapp: oh ok well if it's an important bugfix that affects the desktop then it should probably go in
[18:38] <robru> cyphermox: ^
[18:39] <jhodapp> robru, it's a low risk change anyway, just removes a dependency on a specific mediascanner version from qtubuntu-media
[18:43] <robru> diff looks legit I guess
[18:44] <robru> jhodapp: you should ask nicely in #ubuntu-release I guess, even if cyphermox does publish it's up to them whether it actually gets accepted or not
[18:44] <jhodapp> robru, anyone to ping specifically?
[18:45] <robru> jhodapp: I wouldn't ping anybody in there ;-) whoevers around tends to watch the IRC fairly closely.
[18:46] <jhodapp> ok
[18:51] <jhodapp> robru, if release doesn't accept it, where does that package live then?
[18:51] <jhodapp> robru, some overlay?
[18:59] <robru> jhodapp: yeah we can copy it to the stable overlay PPA where it'll be held until wily+1 opens and it'll get copied there
[18:59] <jhodapp> robru, ok great
[18:59] <jhodapp> cyphermox, let's at least do that now, publish so that it lands in the overlay PPA for wily
[19:00] <robru> cyphermox: you have to edit the dest PPA in the request in order to do that
[19:00] <robru> or I could just do it, heh
[19:01] <robru> jhodapp: cyphermox ok I copied it to overlay ppa
[19:02] <jhodapp> robru, ok so that's not automatic for wily, good to know
[19:02] <robru> jhodapp: it's automatic for dual silos, but this isn't a dual silo.
[19:03] <jhodapp> right
[19:04] <jhodapp> robru, hope to fix that soon too by syncing gstreamer versions across vivid and wily
[19:04] <robru> jhodapp: yeah the more we can do with dual silos the easier it is to manage everything
[19:04] <jhodapp> robru, exactly
[19:05] <jhodapp> robru, normally we don't have any code that relies on a specific version of gstreamer, but in this case that's not true
[19:06] <robru> jhodapp: oh you wanna backport wily's gstreamer into vivid?
[19:06] <jhodapp> robru, yep
[19:06] <robru> that sounds like a big job ;-)
[19:06] <jhodapp> held off on that for a bit because it was a dev version
[19:06] <jhodapp> but now it's a new 1.6.x stable series in wily
[19:06] <jhodapp> robru, shouldn't be too bad
[19:07] <robru> cool
[19:28] <Saviq> robru, thanks :)
[19:30] <robru> Saviq: you're welcome!
[20:32] <dobey> trainguards: can somoene please retry these builds? thanks. https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-026/+build/8133720 https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-026/+build/8133724
[20:44] <robru> dobey: one sec
[20:54] <dobey> robru: thanks
[20:54] <robru> dobey: you're welcome
[21:21] <alesage> robru, I've just passed 19 but noticed something fishy upon further examination--can I un-approve?
[21:22] <robru> alesage: yeah
[21:23] <alesage> robru ok, I'll edit the card/silo
[21:39] <cyphermox> robru: jhodapp: I got from Laney that the fix for mediascanner got uploaded by Laney earlier, so the ci train upload wasn't necessary
[21:40] <cyphermox> the change should get merged though
[21:40] <cyphermox> (I have not verified any of this yet)
[21:41] <robru> cyphermox: oh indeed, there's an upload from 4hrs ago and it's no longer in proposed
[21:41] <robru> cyphermox: ok I'll merge
[21:43] <Laney> I just removed the package dependency as the stuff wasn't built anyway, can land this more complete removal in X
[21:45] <robru> Laney: sure thing, the silo is now merged to trunk so it'll be included in whatever the next release is, when X opens
[21:45] <Laney> nod
[21:50] <jhodapp> cyphermox, Laney, robru cool thanks guys
[21:51] <robru> jhodapp: you're welcome


[00:12] <krys> any vmlinuz or initrd gurus out there? I feel like mine might be corrupted and thats why i cant boot
[02:29] <yofun> how can i search for "Failed launched: No such file or directory" in *.log files in ssh?
[04:10] <mardraum> yofun: grep
[15:05] <bigbrovar> Hi guys trying to incease the ulimt on ubuntu for a tomcat user I created
[15:06] <bigbrovar> ulimit -n for this users hows 1024
[15:06] <bigbrovar> but when I cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max the limit is set to 599191
[15:20] <enraged> If I have, let's say, 10 servers that I want to control over SSH from a remote location, would it be more secure to have 1 server act as a key server which I access over the internet, and then after connecting to the key server, port forward to the other 9 servers OR simply carry keys for all 10 servers and connect to each one independantly?
[15:25] <RoyK> well, if that one server is compromised, the attacker will have full access to the others ;)
[15:26] <enraged> Exactly my concern.
[15:26] <enraged> So you would agree it would be better to have each server accessed independantly?
[15:26] <RoyK> maybe
[15:26] <RoyK> but if you have a common ssh server, you can close ssh from the net from the others
[15:26] <RoyK> not sure what's best
[15:28] <enraged> Theoretically couldn't I run clusterSSH to shutdown all 10 servers at the same time?
[15:29] <enraged> Ofcourse I'd need to be local to bring them all back online, but in an emergency situation where security rather then accessibility is the concern, that should work?
[15:31] <RoyK> if  an attacker gets root, he or she probably won't shut down the systems but rather plant a rootkit there
[15:31] <RoyK> I guess a common login server should be easier to manage
[15:31] <RoyK> then setup the others to block ssh access from the net
[15:31] <RoyK> setup the login server with denyhosts/fail2ban/something
[15:32] <RoyK> and make sure it's updated regularly, and not running any other services
[15:34] <enraged> Exactly my thinking
[15:35] <enraged> Whatever the setup for security was on the key server I was going to install on each of the 10 servers independantly if I didn't bother going with the key server
[15:35] <enraged> And then I hoped to manage them over cluster SSH
[15:35] <enraged> So yeah, fail2ban, SSHkeys with no password access, standard stuff
[15:36] <RoyK> denyhosts may be better - supports distributed ban lists
[15:36] <enraged> mm
[15:40] <enraged> 1 last question - Since this is my first time having to remote SSH to my servers, I can normally run clusterSSH on a Ubuntu desktop which has a GUI, however, I am travelling with a Windows laptop. If I connect by SSH to the key server, with Putty, can I run clusterSSH in the terminal because all references I can find to it online mention the opening of a terminal for each server with 1 terminal acting as the main,
[16:00] <enraged> Sorry, does Cluster SSH work over a Putty terminal?
[16:00] <enraged> Assumably if I connect to a key server with ClusterSSH installed
[17:26] <RoyK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5681058/ <-- nice drive size
[17:27] <qman__> nice
[17:27] <RoyK> seems a disk died :)
[18:25] <Jeruvy> Trying to ping INTO server, noticed shorewall is installed, is there a quick way to disable this for testing?
[18:35] <RoyK> Jeruvy: iptables -F INPUT
[18:35] <RoyK> or something
[18:39] <Jeruvy> RoyK thank you that worked.
[18:40] <Jeruvy> I see I'm going to have to brush up on this.  Cheers!
[19:54] <Syria> Hello! I have a VPS , Can I know if other users are using Tunnels and browsing websites using socks proxy through it?
[19:57] <RoyK> User Capacity:        600,332,565,813,390,450 bytes [600 PB]
[22:51] <James_Epp> How can I make the tftpd-hpa service start on boot? I edited /etc/default/tftpd-hpa to include 'RUN_DAEMON="yes"' but this does not resolve my issue.