[00:01] <PsynoKhi0> uh "Macintosh Mouse button emulation"... why emulate 1 button when you have at 2? o.O
[00:02] <knome> if you like white plastic?
[00:03] <PsynoKhi0> I mean, under Mouse I have 2 devices, my Logitech and that tosh
[00:05] <PsynoKhi0> just wondering, in case that would prevent me from using my mouse wheel to change desktop
[00:06] <PsynoKhi0> something that hasn't changed from kubuntu though is that ufw apparently refuses to keep its "logging" setting
[00:11] <SiDi> ufw ?
[00:11] <SiDi> PsynoKhi0: i agree with you for wine but somehow it doesnt have one. Thank you if you file a bug for it (against xubuntu-desktop in launchpad.net)
[00:25] <PsynoKhi0> SiDi: might be solved
[00:25] <PsynoKhi0> NoDisplay=true <- my /usr/shar/applications/wine.desktop has that
[00:27] <Nameless_au> does xubuntu gave a graphical sudo program?
[00:28] <PsynoKhi0> you mean gksudo?
[00:29] <Nameless_au> apt-get won't let me install gksudo
[00:29] <PsynoKhi0> uh
[00:30] <PsynoKhi0> gksudo is a command that's preinstalled
[00:30] <PsynoKhi0> like...
[00:30] <PsynoKhi0> gksudo synaptic
[00:30] <PsynoKhi0> makes you launch the package manager from a terminal
[00:31] <PsynoKhi0> but prompts you for password in a new window
[00:32] <PsynoKhi0> SiDi: nvm wine.desktop it's not the app menu entry
[00:37] <SiDi> PsynoKhi0: gksudo asks for the password graphically and doesnt damage your home folder
[00:37] <SiDi> contrarily to sudo which is only for CLI apps
[00:37] <SiDi> (and for apps that dont touch your config files)
[00:41] <PsynoKhi0> ?
[00:44] <PsynoKhi0> bedtime, bye
[00:55] <coffeej> I need to install gspca to get my webcam working.  downloaded from synaptic, but what now?
[01:14] <Soopa> Hello
[01:15] <Soopa> I'm trying to get wireless networking to start automatically
[01:15] <Soopa> nm-applet starts when I log in, but it wants a password
[01:15] <Soopa> how can I have wireless start at boot?
[01:15] <ron_o> coffeej, I don't know anything about gspca, however, you need to tell gspca where your webcam is, or viceversa.
[01:16] <ron_o> that really isn't a lot of help, I know, but that's about all I can tell you.
[01:16] <SiDi_> Soopa: do you mean it asks for your network'sp assword ?
[01:16] <SiDi_> Soopa: if so, did you enter it at least once correctly ? If you did it shouldnt ask it anymore
[01:16] <Soopa> SiDi_: No, I mean it asks for a keychain password
[01:17] <Soopa> or something like that
[01:17] <ron_o> is your webcam USB? plug it in and then run #demsg and it will probably tell you where it's located.
[01:17] <SiDi_> (sudo dmesg, coffeej )
[01:20] <Soopa> Err, keyring, actually
[02:12] <wolfgang> what codecs do i need to download to play avi???
[02:12] <wolfgang> my vlc player closes anytime i try to play any file
[02:15] <ron_o> wolfgang, dowload every codec you can find..
[02:15] <ron_o> that's all I do.
[02:15] <wolfgang> hah thats pimp
[02:15] <wolfgang> ok
[02:15] <ron_o> try add/run programs and synaptic
[02:15] <wolfgang> ok
[02:15] <ron_o> especially gstreamer stuff
[02:15] <wolfgang> yeah becasue the program i was using to play the file couldnt find anything
[02:15] <ron_o> and run vlc in a terminal to see why it's crashing.
[02:16] <_Pete_> or install all from medibuntu repos
[02:16] <wolfgang> im goa have to do it myself... also my vls player doesnt function at all
[02:16] <ron_o> I have several video players. I really like mplayer (no gui) or smplayer (gui version)...
[02:16] <_Pete_> http://www.medibuntu.org/
[02:16] <ron_o> the problem with mplayer itself is you need to manually install the codecs.
[02:16] <wolfgang> Illegal instruction
[02:17] <wolfgang> thats what it tells me whenever i try to open any file mp3 avi whatever
[02:17] <ron_o> try another video/audio player..
[02:18] <ron_o> on xubuntu when using totem, many times it will ask you if you want to download more codecs to play the video.
[02:18] <wolfgang> yeah  .. i like vls though dont know why its messe dup tried uninstalling it and istalling it again .
[02:18] <wolfgang> what is medibuntu?
[02:18] <ron_o> got to the site and it will tell you.
[02:19] <wolfgang> yeah thats what im doing
[02:19] <ron_o> it's a repository with all the stuff you may be looking for.
[02:19] <_Pete_> for me after installing stuff from that
[02:20] <_Pete_> everything works
[02:20] <_Pete_> using hybridsystem
[02:20] <wolfgang> sweet
[02:20] <_Pete_> Xfce desktop + some gnome/kde apps
[02:21] <_Pete_> with this http://quadcore.homeunix.net/phpsysinfo/index.php?disp=dynamic
[02:21] <ron_o> actually, running mintubuntu is better for most folks.
[02:22] <ron_o> they include everything automatically for various multimedia codecs and such.
[02:22] <wolfgang> whats the difference betwen linux mint and mintubuntu.. same thing right
[02:23] <ron_o> well, let's get something straight... linux is a kernel. That's the core of the Operating System (OS). The media rerfer to all distros with linux kernel as a linux OS./
[02:23] <ron_o> Ubuntu is just one flavor of linux OS.
[02:23] <_Pete_> or better yet GNU linux
[02:23] <wolfgang> damn you have a pimp computer.. my main compute is an imac g3 with like 200 mb of ram
[02:23] <ron_o> xubuntu another... and then there's something like mintbuntu, which is just ubuntu with all the multimedia and other stuff already installed.
[02:23] <wolfgang> yeah
[02:23] <ron_o> _Pete_, yah.. :)
[02:24] <wolfgang> yeah
[02:24] <wolfgang> so is linux mint and mintubuntu the same thing?
[02:24] <ron_o> no.. is there a _linux mint_?
[02:24] <ron_o> I don't think so.
[02:24] <_Pete_> wolfgang: are you totally newbie to linux?
[02:25] <wolfgang> hah
[02:25] <wolfgang> i guess os then
[02:25] <wolfgang> so
[02:25] <ron_o> mintbuntu just uses ubuntu as the base and then adds a few things to it to make it their own. Totally legit in the Open Source world.
[02:25] <wolfgang> http://www.linuxmint.com/
[02:25] <wolfgang> yeah thats what linux mint is
[02:26] <wolfgang> its ubuntu based
[02:26] <_Pete_> never tried that one
[02:27] <ron_o> wolfgang, sorry. That's my fault. That's what I meant.
[02:27] <ron_o> it's linuxmint, and not mintbuntu.
[02:28] <ron_o> Linuxmint is ubuntu with a few added codecs and multimedia already supplied with the distro.
[02:29] <ron_o> I have linuxmint setup as a virtual OS.
[02:29] <_Pete_> have you tried this
[02:29] <ron_o> it really looks great.
[02:29] <_Pete_> http://polishlinux.org/choose/quiz/
[02:29] <_Pete_> for me it gaves strange results
[02:29] <_Pete_> like
[02:29] <_Pete_> 1. Gentoo Linux
[02:29] <_Pete_> 2. FreeBSD
[02:29] <_Pete_> 3. NetBSD
[02:29] <_Pete_> 4. Debian GNU/Linux
[02:30] <_Pete_> 5. Archlinux
[02:30] <ron_o> never seen it before.
[02:30] <ron_o> Gentoo #1, it must mean you are a control freak.
[02:30] <ron_o> Gentoo really sux man.
[02:30] <_Pete_> I think I am
[02:30] <ron_o> actually, I never tried gentoo by Sabayonlinux... but it was still difficult.
[02:31] <_Pete_> since being pro programmer and doing that for a job also
[02:32] <ron_o> 1. Fedora
[02:32] <ron_o> 2. Ubuntu Linux
[02:32] <ron_o> 3. openSUSE
[02:32] <ron_o> 4. Debian GNU/Linux
[02:32] <ron_o> 5. Mandriva Linux
[02:32] <ron_o> it's not very useful, IMHO.
[02:32] <_Pete_> which one?
[02:33] <ron_o> Fedora, me thinks is RPM based. I don't care for that much.
[02:33] <_Pete_> yeah
[02:33] <ron_o> I don't think the quiz helps out much.
[02:33] <_Pete_> actually started using linux with red hat
[02:33] <_Pete_> with rpm-hell
[02:33] <ron_o> when people ask me I just tell them ubuntu or one of their flavors, like Linuxminut.
[02:34] <ron_o> hehe, me too, in 1999 or so.
[02:34] <ron_o> bought a book and everything. What a joke.
[02:34] <ron_o> dependencancy hell sucked.
[02:34] <_Pete_> indeed
[02:34] <ron_o> why anyone would deal with such stuff like that, I have no idea.
[02:35] <_Pete_> last time tried centos
[02:35] <_Pete_> couple of years ago
[02:35] <ron_o> it was like that?
[02:35] <_Pete_> yes
[02:35] <ron_o> is Redhat still like that?
[02:35] <_Pete_> dont know
[02:35] <_Pete_> and wont want to
[02:35] <ron_o> gawd, I hope not. What the hell.
[02:35] <_Pete_> centos is something derieved from current rhos base
[02:35] <ron_o> that's why I hate compiling my own stuff.
[02:36] <ron_o> yup, it is.
[02:36] <_Pete_> when I tried it
[02:36] <_Pete_> yum was slow like shit
[02:37] <_Pete_> compiling is most important part of my job
[02:37] <_Pete_> and doing that also for/with linux
[02:37] <ron_o> then gentoo is for you.
[02:38] <_Pete_> like doing software for that rumored maemo/N900/nokia phone yet to come
[02:39] <wolfgang> yeah know i now why you guys thoiught i was acomplete n00b
[02:39] <_Pete_> dont worry
[02:40] <_Pete_> I only started using unix/internet 1987 or so
[02:40] <_Pete_> have learned something since then
[02:41] <wolfgang> yeah i wasnt even born yet :x
[02:41] <wolfgang> yeah  got me right on the money
[02:41] <wolfgang> 1. Ubuntu Linux
[02:41] <wolfgang> 2. Debian GNU/Linux
[02:41] <wolfgang> 3. openSUSE
[02:41] <wolfgang> 4. Mandriva Linux
[02:41] <wolfgang> 5. Fedora
[02:41] <wolfgang> im a debian guy
[02:41] <_Pete_> good for you
[02:42] <wolfgang> tried yellow dog on my imac it was ok then debian it was way more responsive
[02:42] <wolfgang> and now im with xubuntu
[02:42] <_Pete_> Today I just realized that there are slow computers also
[02:43] <_Pete_> my personal desktop is 8G mem / top-raid
[02:43] <_Pete_> so everything is blinding fast
[02:43] <wolfgang> damn thats awesom
[02:43] <wolfgang> e
[02:43] <_Pete_> with this Eee PC
[02:43] <_Pete_> it just feels so slow for everything
[02:43] <wolfgang> yeah i wish i had cash for a pimp computer ... i know there not even that expensive anymore
[02:44] <wolfgang> yeah i have an eeepc also
[02:44] <wolfgang> what os you running on it?
[02:44] <_Pete_> it had XP
[02:44] <_Pete_> wiped that with ubuntu
[02:44] <wolfgang> same here
[02:45] <wolfgang> xubuntu though
[02:45] <_Pete_> which model you do have?
[02:45] <wolfgang> im gona try lxde after it
[02:45] <wolfgang> the 100ha
[02:45] <wolfgang> with hard disc drive
[02:45] <wolfgang> 1000ha
[02:45] <wolfgang> i upgraded to 2gb ram
[02:45] <wolfgang> and still sometimes feels a little slow
[02:46] <_Pete_> I have the same
[02:46] <wolfgang> yeah its not too big not too small
[02:46] <wolfgang> the 7 in is ridiculous
[02:46] <_Pete_> and the PINK one
[02:46] <wolfgang> thats awesome
[02:46] <_Pete_> uber stupid cool :)
[02:46] <wolfgang> is that the acer netbook or eeepc also has a pink one?
[02:47] <_Pete_> Eeepc 1000he pink
[02:47] <wolfgang> sweet
[02:47] <wolfgang> also wanted to try out pupeee
[02:47] <_Pete_> I am going to put some apple sticker on the back
[02:47] <wolfgang> puppy linux
[02:48] <wolfgang> is the flash video playback slow? like off outube
[02:48] <wolfgang> youtube
[02:48] <_Pete_> haven't tried yet
[02:49] <wolfgang> oh
[02:49] <wolfgang> yeah im thinking of reinstalling xp dual boot. so that the wireless can work at the university and so for whenever i want to watch streaming video of the net
[02:51] <_Pete_> is that other word for porn?
[02:52] <wolfgang> hahaha
[02:52] <wolfgang> thats pimpm
[02:52] <wolfgang> pimp
[02:52] <wolfgang> yeah sure but also like music off youtube and stuff like that
[02:52] <_Pete_> just tried
[02:52] <_Pete_> flash dont work
[02:52] <wolfgang> how does it perform?
[02:52] <wolfgang> oh man
[02:53] <_Pete_> maybe need to do that medibuntu things
[02:53] <wolfgang> yeah tahts what im doing right now on my imac so i cann watch this  anime that i found
[02:53] <_Pete_> Imac and iAnmine suxx
[02:53] <wolfgang> neon genesis evangelion  i have the whole series burnt as avi
[02:54] <_Pete_> that's also game
[02:54] <_Pete_> you know mame?
[02:54] <wolfgang> eee dont hate :) i dont like alot of anime either
[02:54] <wolfgang> mame like the arcade emulator
[02:54] <_Pete_> yes
[02:54] <wolfgang> yea they have a badass evangelion game for arcade?
[02:55] <_Pete_> I think so
[02:55] <wolfgang> thats cool... i havent tried a mame emulators before but i have snes  nes sega all these other ones on my wii
[02:55] <wolfgang> and on my eeepc
[02:55] <_Pete_> does they run fullspeed on eeepc?
[02:56] <pteague> i think the series for neon genesis evangelion was much better than the short...
[02:57] <wolfgang> yeah
[02:57] <wolfgang> they run pretty good
[02:58] <wolfgang> my favorite is killer instinct for ssuper nintendo
[02:58] <_Pete_> how about C64=
[02:58] <wolfgang> yeah your talking about dead of evangelion right
[02:58] <wolfgang> the movies
[02:58] <wolfgang> ee i havent tried the 64 emulator
[02:58] <_Pete_> it still have most best games
[02:59] <wolfgang> the nintendo 64/
[02:59] <wolfgang> ?
[02:59] <wolfgang> hey pete how old are you.... my best friends name is also pete
[03:00] <_Pete_> I meant commodore 64
[03:00] <_Pete_> just turned to 37
[03:00] <wolfgang> 23 here
[03:00] <wolfgang> oh commodore 64 yeah for sure it must run on the eeepc
[03:01] <_Pete_> it's for me most coolest computer for demoscene
[03:01] <wolfgang> what kinda games do they have for the c 64?
[03:01] <_Pete_> they are doing some unbelievable things on that
[03:01] <wolfgang> oh what kinda of things?
[03:02] <_Pete_> http://www.c64.com/
[03:02] <wolfgang> yeah i guess since ive been using this imac for so long im kinda into low end machines
[03:02] <_Pete_> it is hard to explain
[03:02] <_Pete_> if you dont know it
[03:02] <wolfgang> not that i wouldnt mind a pimp quad core like the link from earlier
[03:03] <wolfgang> yeah i remmeber my high chool had a comoodore 64 in the media department
[03:03] <_Pete_> where do you live?
[03:03] <wolfgang> to super impose those kinda graphics
[03:03] <wolfgang> texas
[03:03] <wolfgang> south texas
[03:03] <wolfgang> edinburg
[03:03] <_Pete_> USA?
[03:03] <wolfgang> yeah
[03:03] <wolfgang> but its pretty much mexico
[03:04] <_Pete_> right
[03:04] <_Pete_> C64 was first home computer which really hit the masses
[03:05] <_Pete_> and I guess still has the tittle most computer sold ever
[03:05] <wolfgang> the culture and the food... damn the foods good here theres this place called taco palenque its open all night for the people that get drunk ... its good... thats awesome about the comodore 64..  i believe theres an comodore 64 emulator for the wii
[03:06] <_Pete_> dont know about wii
[03:06] <_Pete_> but for others there is
[03:06] <wolfgang> so the c64 theres still tons of games coming out for it?
[03:07] <_Pete_> yes
[03:08] <wolfgang> sweet
[03:08] <wolfgang> what is the c64 emulator on linux called?
[03:08] <wolfgang> yeahi  just found it
[03:09] <wolfgang> it was comodore 64 because it had 64k ram?
[03:14] <_Pete_> yes
[03:14] <_Pete_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5_ZiNXsA5c
[03:14] <wolfgang> thats cool
[03:14] <wolfgang> eee cant play that theres no flash for ppc linux :\
[03:15] <wolfgang> haha ans swfdec only works somtimes
[03:15] <wolfgang> what is that video of?
[03:15] <_Pete_> about C64 games/music
[03:23] <wolfgang> sweet il take alook at it in later on a notehr comp
[03:28] <_Pete_> wolfgang: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpddeXlKgSM
[03:31] <duckwars> how can I right-click in xubuntu when using a mac that has only one mouse buton?
[03:38] <Raggs> control click?
[03:38] <duckwars> nopes...
[03:43] <_Pete_> lolz
[03:44] <_Pete_> stupid enough?
[03:52] <duckwars> yes, it is stupid enough
[04:23] <erik_> hi
[04:24] <erik_> how do u switch window mangers
[04:26] <erik_> anyone here
[04:56] <wolfgang> yo pete
[04:59] <_Pete_> yo
[05:54] <regeya> !compiz
[06:39] <erik_> hi
[06:40] <erik_> i am have problem with sound
[06:45] <erik_> hello
[06:51] <erik_> hello
[06:51] <erik_> anyone here
[06:54] <erik_> hello
[06:59] <erik_> ?
[07:03] <erik_> hello
[07:03] <erik_> can someone help with sound problem
[07:14] <forces> erik_, ?
[07:14] <forces> what's the problem?
[07:14] <erik_> cant get no sound
[07:14] <forces> erik_, you speak spanish?
[07:14] <erik_> im having problem with no sound
[07:15] <forces> but you speak spanish?
[07:15] <erik_> no english
[07:16] <forces> ok
[07:16] <forces> which sound card do you have
[07:24] <whitesmith> hey all
[07:25] <whitesmith> To get this out of the way:  I'm completely now to Xubuntu, and am an amateur with Linux in general.
[07:26] <whitesmith> I was wondering if someone could tell me how to gain access to my Windows/NTFS partition from within Xubuntu.
[07:27] <forces> since xubuntu 7.10, xubuntu has active by default read/write NTFS
[07:28] <whitesmith> That's great to hear!  How do I get to the partition in File Manager, though?
[07:30] <whitesmith> I'm assuming the Filesystem shortcut is just for the partition that Xubuntu is installed on.
[07:31] <forces> you should see the partition in thunar
[07:31] <forces> you can mount it with a "click"
[07:32] <whitesmith> I don't see it, though.  Maybe it wasn't auto-detected?
[07:33] <whitesmith> Thank you very much for the help, by the way.
[07:38] <heroid_> i have a problem
[07:39] <heroid_> with my xubuntu
[07:39] <heroid_> it doesnt display my other ntfs drive
[07:39] <whitesmith> It looks like heroid and I have a similar issue.
[07:40] <heroid_> how do i display thme
[07:40] <heroid_> them
[07:40] <heroid_> because ubuntu is to damn slow
[07:40] <heroid_> in that pc
[07:44] <psycho_oreos> I'd check to see if the device was even detected, and there are more partitions and dmesg showed no errors
[07:51] <whitesmith> Yeah, see...  Problem with that is I'm a newbie; no idea how to do that.
[07:52] <psycho_oreos> dump your lsusb output along with fdisk -l (this requires root), and the last few lines of dmesg (dmesg| tail) into pastebin
[07:53] <psycho_oreos> !pastebin | whitesmith
[08:05] <marcPV> hi there
[08:05] <intok> AH Help! I went to reinstall my old box with 8.10 but it hung at installing the usb drivers, which it had never done before, trying again after a force restart it refused to load the gui even from a live cd, so I found a win 98 cd and reformatted the drive, now when I load the live cd I get either dropped at the command prompt or it says there is a graphics error and offer to load ubuntu in low graphics mode, but doing so l
[08:05] <intok> eaves me with a blank screen.
[08:06] <whitesmith> http://paste.ubuntu.com/211742/
[08:06] <intok> the hardware is an ABit AB-BX6 mobo with the intel 440 chipset, P3 600, 512Mb ofram and an S3 Savage4 GT AGP card
[08:08] <whitesmith> I think that's what you asked for, but I'm not 100% certain.
[08:10] <marcPV> i got an error on the updates, any idea?
[08:16] <whitesmith> Still there, psycho_oreos?
[08:17] <zetheroo> thunar is not working properly for me
[08:18] <zetheroo> when I try to change the default program that documents open with, the settings are not kept
[08:19] <kbmaniac> intok, I am not the most knowledgeable here, but you had 8.10 on it, working I assume, now the 8.10 live cd refuses to give you X, sounds like a hardware issue
[08:19] <SiDi> zetheroo: did you ever run thunar with sudo in the past ?
[08:20] <zetheroo> yes
[08:20] <SiDi> zetheroo: do not do it ever again
[08:20] <zetheroo> ummm
[08:20] <zetheroo> why not?
[08:20] <SiDi> when you use sudo, it will use your home directory's config files but with root rights
[08:20] <kbmaniac> intok, have you tried unplugging ALL usb devices, power down and try again with live CD ?
[08:20] <intok> kbmaniac tested for that already hardware checked out in windows
[08:20] <SiDi> and so the files will be created with ownership to root and you wont be able to write on them
[08:20] <SiDi> zetheroo: if you cant write on the files, settings are not changed anymore ;)
[08:20] <kbmaniac> So 98 installed and worked AOK
[08:21] <SiDi> zetheroo: "sudo chown -R <yourname>:<yourname> ~/.config
[08:21] <intok> and yep had nothing but PS/2 kb mouse and monitor connected the entire time
[08:21] <zetheroo> SiDi: so that command will fix it?
[08:22] <kbmaniac> ...mmm... thinking
[08:22] <kbmaniac> intok, when you say USB drivers refused to load, what exactly happened ? kernal panic ?
[08:23] <zetheroo> SiDi: so thunar cannot be run with root privileges ?
[08:23] <zetheroo> I have installed nautilus now ....
[08:24] <SiDi> zetheroo: DO NOT run nautilus with root privileges
[08:24] <SiDi> zetheroo: there is "gksudo" for using graphical apps instead of sudo ;)
[08:24] <SiDi> gksudo manages the config files correctly, without risk
[08:24] <SiDi> and you should never never use sudo or gksudo for a file manager
[08:25] <SiDi> this IS dangerous, you can easily trash files
[08:25] <zetheroo> thats what I do ... sorry I did not make that clear before
[08:25] <SiDi> oh
[08:25] <zetheroo> I always use gksudo for that
[08:25] <SiDi> hm did you still typed that chown command above,
[08:25] <intok> kbmaniac at that point in the install it had not crashed but had stayed at 94% for over an hour and a half, even given the gage of said hardware I had to assume that the install had crashed silently, 94% was where the gui was telling me that the usb drivers where being installed. but from previous installs on this same hardware the install never took more then 30-40 mins to complete
[08:26] <zetheroo> SiDi: doing it now
[08:27] <zetheroo> SiDi: ok did it
[08:27] <kbmaniac> intok, have you thought of using the alternative install CD, I did it a long while ago, it is a text based install so you can see more what is happening
[08:27] <zetheroo> SiDi: its still not working
[08:28] <kbmaniac> intok, though its wierd, if 98 installs and runs AOK, hardware is basically AOK + you used to run 8.04 on it so its compatible ????
[08:28] <intok> kbmaniac never tried it before, but I give it a shot, already grabbing the official torrent
[08:28] <zetheroo> I go into the document properties and try to change the program it opens with and it does not stick ... as soon as I close the properties box the document is set back to opening with Abiword
[08:29] <SiDi> zetheroo: go to .local/share/applications
[08:29] <SiDi> and tell me who owns mimelist file
[08:29] <zetheroo> I own it
[08:29] <zetheroo> read and write permissions
[08:30] <intok> kbmaniac yeah, I was playing around with the machine with xubuntu and qimo a kids mod of of xubuntu that apparently isn't going anywhere now after their first release, so I was going to go back to xubuntu, I was planing on giving the box to my cousin's kids who are 2, 4 and 6, but edubuntu is a bit heavy for the hardware
[08:30] <zetheroo1> this is zetheroo ---- ok now I am on the Xubuntu machine
[08:31] <zetheroo1> I can open the mimeapps.list file and see there the changes I am trying to implement
[08:31] <zetheroo1> [Added Associations]
[08:31] <zetheroo1> text/richtext=IBM Lotus Symphony.desktop;
[08:31] <zetheroo1> application/rtf=IBM Lotus Symphony.desktop;
[08:32] <kbmaniac> intok, good luck, if xubuntu is slow, look at zenwalk, it has some limitations but is a faster XFCE
[08:33] <SiDi> zetheroo1: please find a png image and make it open with firefox
[08:33] <SiDi> and tell me if it works
[08:33] <zetheroo1> hmmm
[08:33] <zetheroo1> a PNG
[08:34] <intok> kbmaniac it's a bit slow for some things yeah, but for basically a diy leapfrog/playskool machine it was plenty fast. not like the little ones are going to be fragging in quake for a few years at least... but then again ...
[08:36] <zetheroo1> SiDi: yes that worked
[08:36] <SiDi> zetheroo1: is IBM Lotus Symphony.desktop working ?
[08:36] <SiDi> and what kind of file are you asking it to open ? and how do you do exactly ?
[08:37] <zetheroo1> the program IBM Lotus Symphony is working
[08:37] <zetheroo1> I also had the same issue with trying to change the default to OpenOffice Writer
[08:37] <zetheroo1> this is an RTF file
[08:38] <zetheroo1> but its with any document
[08:38] <whitesmith> So, I guess no one has any idea what I should do with regards to accessing my NTFS partition?
[08:38] <kbmaniac> intok, :)
[08:39] <zetheroo1> SiDi: again ... it works perfectly in Nautilus ....
[08:42] <SiDi> zetheroo1: sounds weird to me :-|
[08:42] <zetheroo1> yeah I know ... :)
[08:43] <zetheroo1> is there a way i could try it out in the terminal and see if there is an output of some kind
[08:43] <zetheroo1> ?
[08:43] <SiDi> nope
[08:43] <SiDi> it works here if i change this kind of files to OOO
[08:43] <SiDi> when you do right click -> properties -> open with
[08:43] <SiDi> is Lotus listed ?
[08:43] <zetheroo1> I wish i could remove Abiword
[08:44] <zetheroo1> yes its there
[08:44] <SiDi> select it and close, double click
[08:44] <zetheroo1> yes and it opens with Abiword
[08:44] <SiDi> :(
[08:45] <SiDi> *idea*
[08:45] <zetheroo1> I am removing Abiword
[08:45] <SiDi> are you *sure* its an RTF file ?
[08:45] <zetheroo1> yep
[08:45] <zetheroo1> :)
[08:45] <SiDi> if its named .XXX but its .YYY it'll use the .YYY's file handler
[08:45] <SiDi> ah
[08:46] <zetheroo1> the file is called Linux.rtf
[08:48] <SiDi> and does the file ommand say its a rtf ? :p
[08:48] <zetheroo1> yep
[08:49] <zetheroo1> what about a program like gconfig
[08:50] <zetheroo1> can i change it in there?.
[08:50]  * SiDi doesn't know
[08:58] <zetheroo1> useless
[08:58] <zetheroo1> argh
[09:20] <MikeChelen> is there any way to run desktop icons with a single-click?
[09:25] <TheSheep> they were supposed to fix it in 4.6 but they didn't
[09:26] <TheSheep>  just disabled icons and put large panel with launchers instead
[09:26] <MikeChelen> aww
[09:26] <MikeChelen> i like using single-click for the file manager
[09:26] <TheSheep> yeah
[09:26] <MikeChelen> want it available for desktop as well
[09:27] <TheSheep> I'm with you there
[09:27] <MikeChelen> i guess the panel launchers will do
[09:27] <MikeChelen> any idea if there is a feature request somewhere i can +1?
[09:27] <TheSheep> in the xfce's bugtracker
[09:28] <MikeChelen> cool thanks, ill look there
[10:45] <Nameless_au> i guess this is more a linux question, but... in terminal, in order for me to paste what i've copied i must press shift and insert. is there a way to make good ol' ctrl-V paste into terminal?
[11:03] <MikeChelen> shift+control+v
[11:03] <MikeChelen> Nameless_au, that works in xfce4-terminal
[11:04] <Nameless_au> MikeChelen: sheers i knew that, but for some reason those keystrokes are unresponsive
[11:05] <Nameless_au> hence my use of shift-insert
[11:05] <MikeChelen> hmm well shift insert is another option
[11:05] <Nameless_au> sheers=cheers
[11:05] <MikeChelen> but shift+control+v should work too
[11:05] <MikeChelen> ah lol
[11:05] <Nameless_au> i agree it should lol
[11:05] <MikeChelen> maybe the keyboard shortcuts got changed?
[11:06] <Nameless_au> maybe, dunno - i'll live with ctrl-shift-v working most of the time
[11:07] <Nameless_au> maybe different terminal
[11:07] <Nameless_au> ive seen 3 different ones on here so far
[11:42] <MikeChelen> yeah that's possible
[14:38] <kasia_> hi, how could i change the appearance of gtk apps in xubuntu to match with my destop? I would like them to look like thunar with oxygen icons from kde
[14:39] <kasia_> pcmanfm and "places" now looks very ugly
[14:58] <Slonkie> places as in thunar?
[15:01] <bazhang> evening all; how to change the clock time to 12 hr from 24 hr?
[15:02] <bazhang> this is jaunty btw
[15:02] <ablomen> bazhang, right click on clock=>properties=>uncheck use 24-hour clock
[15:03] <bazhang> ablomen, thanks much!
[15:03] <Nameless_au> that doesnt work
[15:03] <ablomen> did that change?
[15:04] <bazhang> just testing it; not my computer (helping someone else)
[15:04] <Nameless_au> is there somewhere where i can do a screenshot paste?
[15:04] <Nameless_au> bazhang: i have xubuntu xfce running now it will not work
[15:04] <ablomen> pastebin.ca
[15:05] <ablomen> oh and that goes to Imagebin :)
[15:05] <ablomen> (.ca)
[15:09] <Nameless_au> ablomen: http://imagebin.ca/view/8Oqru8Rl.html
[15:09] <Nameless_au> shows what options are avail
[15:10] <Nameless_au> you can see that it has 24-hr time with PM :)
[15:10] <Nameless_au> you can put custom, but i don't know what the parameters are
[15:10] <Nameless_au> ian_ is here about the same bug
[15:11] <ian_> i'm heree!!!
[15:13] <ablomen> ah..
[15:13] <Nameless_au> i think that is an xfce thing personally but i could be wrong
[15:29] <Nameless_au> ian_ WAS here about the same bug...
[15:51] <Nameless_au> ablomen: i have found a fix for the clock
[15:51] <ablomen> ok cool, but bazhang is gone already :)
[15:51] <Nameless_au> ablomen: the clock uses the strftime variables, so to do what he wanted to do
[15:52] <Nameless_au> in 'Custom', paste %l:%M %P
[15:52] <Nameless_au> voila
[15:52] <ablomen> :)
[15:52] <Nameless_au> all available variables are found here: http://au2.php.net/strftime
[15:53] <Nameless_au> that is officially my first workaround for the Open Source community. Thank you.
[15:53]  * Nameless_au takes a bow
[15:53] <Nameless_au> it wasn't bazhang with the problem, it was me and ian_
[15:54] <ablomen> ah
[16:03] <Nameless_au> ablomen would you know how to increase the font in panel apps?
[16:05] <ablomen> some apps scale fonts (so if you make the pannel bigger the font gets bigger) but only a few, the only other option i know is change the font size of the user interface (in the settings manager)
[16:05] <Nameless_au> i'm looking at xfce's keyboard layout app
[16:06] <Nameless_au> yes, as i increase the panel, the font of the 'us' or 'ru' on the button increases
[16:06] <Nameless_au> it's just at a normal sized panel, the 'us' and 'ru' on the button is too small
[16:11] <Nameless_au> in my ~/.config/xfce4/panel/ folder i have a file called xkb-plugin-12469673334.rc , the contents of which are here: http://pastebin.ca/1486950
[16:12] <Nameless_au> are there variables i can add in this file to increase font? or is the actual button i see in the gui a small jpeg or somethign similar?
[17:09] <Nameless_au> i have a program asking for me to specify where libxfce4util4 is installed on my system, and to point to it in the $PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable. however, although i can confirm it is installed, i don't know how to tell $PKG_CONFIG_PATH where it is because i can't find libxfce4util4 at all
[17:10] <Nameless_au> what do i do?
[17:13] <PsynoKhi0> in a terminal: locate libxfce4util4
[17:14] <charlie-tca__> Use "dpkg -S libxfce4util4" in a terminal
[17:14] <charlie-tca__> or "which libxfce4util4" in a terminal
[17:15] <charlie-tca__> to find the executable
[17:18] <c0nfus3d> Hi All, I am trying to figure how I can change the text in Ubiquity "Prepare Disk Space" window - kindly refer the following image - http://imagebin.org/54855
[17:18] <charlie-tca__> Perhaps better to ask that in #ubuntu-installer, where they work with Ubiquity more
[17:19] <charlie-tca__> That text normally changes with each version you are installing
[17:20] <c0nfus3d> ok chanks charlie-tca__
[17:20] <c0nfus3d> i got the answer
[17:20] <charlie-tca__> You are welcome
[17:20] <charlie-tca__> :-)
[17:20] <c0nfus3d> just to share the info
[17:20] <c0nfus3d> change /.disk/info on the CD
[17:20] <c0nfus3d> the first two fields are used for the partitioning display
[18:23] <th0r> SiDi: remember my problem with the xfce pager?
[18:42] <SiDi> th0r: yeh
[18:42] <SiDi> th0r: found the solution ?
[18:44] <th0r> SiDi: yup. I am running a straight ubuntu install and added xfce afterwards. When I did, xfce kept metacity as the wm instead of switching to xfwm4. Changed to that and the whole issue went away. Additionally, a small video glitch that had plagued me disappeared <smile>
[18:52] <SiDi> th0r: oh crap
[18:53] <SiDi> th0r: did you install "xfce" or "xubuntu-desktop" ?
[18:53] <Nameless_au> is there a difference in: 1) installing ubuntu and then installing Xfce    2) Installing Xubuntu ?
[18:53] <th0r> SiDi: just xfce
[18:54] <th0r> SiDi: been wondering if I should go back and install the xubuntu desktop...think so?
[18:54] <charlie-tca__> There is a difference between installing xfce and installing xubuntu-desktop.
[18:55] <charlie-tca__> xubuntu-desktop is a metapackage to insure all the components get installed, xfce is just the desktop
[18:55] <SiDi> th0r: you can install it now
[18:55] <th0r> SiDi: yeah...think it might be a good idea
[18:55] <SiDi> th0r: contains the whole xfce desktop + some goodies + artwork + our default settings
[18:56] <charlie-tca__> + xfwm + ...
[18:56] <th0r> SiDi: kind of wish I had opted for xubuntu in the first place....knew from the getgo I was going to use xfce
[18:56] <th0r> charlie-tca__: xfwm was there, it just wasn't picked up as the wm when I switched the session to xfce
[18:57] <charlie-tca__> Which is what xubuntu-desktop helps make happen
[18:59] <th0r> charlie-tca__: yeah...got it installing now. But I wish they would delete totem from the dependencies list...I hate that program
[18:59] <charlie-tca__> It works, though
[19:00] <th0r> charlie-tca__: maybe for you...I have never succeeded in getting it to work right. Will always kick something out that vlc accepts without complaining
[19:00] <th0r> charlie-tca__: and I know all my mime types will be changed to that now and I will have to go back one by one and make them vlc again
[19:01] <charlie-tca__> :-(
[19:04] <SiDi> th0r: or you purge totme :p
[19:04] <SiDi> totem *
[19:05] <th0r> SiDi: yeah...I tried to unmark it but synaptic complained. The problem with synaptic is if I do things like that it will report xubuntu-desktop as a broken package or list missing deps
[19:06] <SiDi> th0r: you need to keep xubuntu-desktop only for upgrades
[19:06] <charlie-tca__> After installing, you can remove xubuntu-desktop without problems. It is only needed again to upgrade
[19:06] <SiDi> you can remove it also if you ant by the meanwhile
[19:06] <charlie-tca__> to the next version of Xubuntu
[19:07] <rameshwor> can i enable compiz 3d ..cube..effects in xuubntu 9.04 by default or i need some other packages...?
[19:07]  * charlie-tca__ too slow again. And, it wasn't even knome beat me
[19:07] <charlie-tca__> rameshwor: you need to add compiz
[19:07] <rameshwor> charlie-tca__: yes. just wanted to give it a try.. ..
[19:08] <charlie-tca__> It is not installed by default in Xubuntu
[19:08] <charlie-tca__> you have to install it
[19:08] <rameshwor> charlie-tca__: ok..
[19:13] <rameshwor> i tried mounting my window partition ...but..  sudo mount /dev/sda5 mounted-disk     gives error    ..  why ? if i specify ntfs  then also error  ?  isn't there gui for mounting
[19:14] <PsynoKhi0> depends on the error
[19:15] <timeout> rameshwor: how did you specify ntfs?
[19:16] <timeout> have you got ntfs-3g installed?
[19:16] <rameshwor> timeout: don't know ntfs-3g installed or not ... i used xfce from ubuntu  ...8.10
[19:17] <timeout> well, you need to install ntfs-3g, so sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[19:17] <rameshwor> timeout: but i used to mount it in gnome   ..
[19:17] <timeout> and then you need mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda5 /path/windows
[19:18] <th0r> timeout: (sudo)
[19:18] <rameshwor> timeout:   i used xfce from ubuntu8.10...      still i need ntfs-3g  what's it a plugin  or what ?
[19:18] <timeout> hmmm... maybe it is installed, what happens, if you just try the mount using the ntfs-3g file type?
[19:19] <timeout> th0r: oh yeah, you need sudo to mount, of course, but rameshwor already seems to know that
[19:19] <intok> damit I still can't get the GUI to work
[19:20] <rameshwor> timeout: ok i'll be trying that.. but i'm on win right now. becoz my xchat wont' work in ubuntu... ( i'm using http proxy server )..... any help with that ?
[19:21] <timeout> rameshwor: with your chat program? I use irssi...
[19:21] <rameshwor> irssi ?  ?
[19:22] <timeout> rameshwor: irssi.org have a look, it works for me
[19:22] <timeout> rameshwor: but xchat should work as well.
[19:22] <rameshwor> ok...
[19:22] <rameshwor> should i do any manual settings for proxy server connection or what ??
[19:23] <timeout> rameshwor: don't know, sorry
[19:23] <th0r> rameshwor: there is a place in the preferences to enter the proxy information
[19:23] <timeout> rameshwor: what's the problem- what are your settings using windows?
[19:24] <rameshwor> timeout: settings ?  what settings ..   i have xchat on windows right now i'm currently from MIRC  but still xchat won't work..
[19:25] <timeout> rameshwor: are you using the proxt with windows as well?
[19:26] <rameshwor>  HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden
[19:26] <rameshwor>  Proxy traversal failed.    yes  same http proxy server.. i'm from college LAN..
[19:26] <intok> Ok, I reinstalled my old xubuntu box with 8.10 but durring the install it hung at 94%, since then I can't get any version of xubuntu or ubuntu to load into gui, I reither get the ubuntu command prompt or I get a part of the gui to load that asks to load into low graphics mode or to troubleshoot the problem, loading low graphics give me a blank screen and trouble shooting it just loops it back to the menu
[19:27] <timeout> rameshwor: probably not all that useful, but: http://irssi.org/documentation/proxy
[19:27] <SiDi> intok: did you check the cd's integrity before beginning the install ?
[19:28] <intok> I've never had an issue with running xubuntu on the machine, its a p3 600, 512Mb of ram, abit ab-bx6 mobo with the intel 440bx chipset and an S3 Savage4 GT
[19:28] <timeout> rameshwor: google it. th0r seems to be right.
[19:28] <th0r> timeout: (let me get a screenshot of that!)
[19:29] <intok> SiDi yep, tried it with xubunt 9.04, 8.10, ubuntu 8.10, 8.04 and qimo 1.0
[19:29] <timeout> th0r: sorry, seems should read: is!
[19:29] <th0r> hehehe
[19:29] <intok> DiDi tested all cds, isos, hardware works fine under windows 98
[19:31] <timeout> intok: is there any information during the install at all? Isn't there a boot time option to turn on messages etc?
[19:32] <timeout> intok: when it hangs at 94% is it doing something, like downloading- I'm just trying to remember- are you on the net?
[19:33] <intok> timeout there seems to be an error thrown, but it only appears for a split second before the screen blanks, can tell it's an error as the fail text shows up red
[19:34] <timeout> intok: are you installing to the right partition?
[19:34] <SiDi> intok: ok then we dont have drivers for your GPU
[19:34] <intok> timeout 94% it said it was installing usb drivers, having installed ubuntu on the same hardware before and the install had never taken more then 30-40 mins, but it hung at 94% for an hour and a half
[19:34] <timeout> intok: can you boot into the live cd?
[19:34] <SiDi> intok: old ATI card ?
[19:34] <SiDi> or SiS ?
[19:35] <timeout> intok: and no hard drive activity?
[19:37] <intok> SiDi its an S3 card, it's the only old AGP card I had that would do 1600x1200 @ 32 Savage4 GT AGP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage4#Savage4
[19:38] <intok> timeout tried live cds same issue, when it hung on install there was no hdd or network activity
[19:39] <intok> it's all very strange that it suddnely crashed and now refuses to load a gui in linux but windows 98 will still run fine...
[19:39] <SiDi> intok: i dont think you will find linux drivers for recent kernels for this card
[19:39] <SiDi> if you try a linux from 98 it will run fine too. :P
[19:40] <timeout> intok: ok- so you can't boot the kernel. Hmmm.. it is strange
[19:41] <intok> SiDi true there was a regression in the drivers from 8.04 to 8.10 but 8.10 still ran perfectly till I had reinstalled, I had gone from xubuntu 8.10 to qimo linux 1.0 and was going back to xubuntu 8.10 when it crashed during install, till then the box had run linux just fine
[19:41] <SiDi> http://knoppix-fr.org/hardware/5 intok
[19:41] <SiDi> oh
[19:42] <SiDi> well 9.04 has a new X.org server
[19:42] <SiDi> so there is little chance the S3 devs made drivers for it
[19:42] <SiDi> there is a channel for ubuntu install problems though
[19:42] <SiDi> #ubuntu-installer if my memory doesnt betray me
[19:43] <intok> SiDi I had figured the unichrome devs would have made drivers for it since they used the savage chipset in many motherboard chipsets preceeding the chrome series gpous form S3
[19:44] <SiDi> intok: im really not the guy who would know about that ^.^
[19:45] <intok> SiDi the link you gave says the savage4 works perfectly
[19:45] <timeout> intok: can you install without gui?
[19:46] <SiDi> intok: its for knoppix, they have older kernel / xorg
[19:46] <intok> timeout yes, I installed 9.04 with the alt install  but I get the same issue
[19:47] <timeout> But the graphics card shouldn't be stopping the kernel from booting- if there's a graphics problem you should get kicked to a console at least
[19:48] <timeout> but you're not sure if it isn't something to do with your usb?
[19:51] <PsynoKhi0> on older hardware I usually use noapic nolapic acpi=off as kernel parameters
[19:52] <intok> timeout as far as I can tell it's moved into just being a gui problem that hadn't previously existed at all using the same versions of xubuntu on the same hardware, and it's not a hardware fault as it still runs windows 98 without fault, and it's shouldn't be a usb isue as no usb devices where connected at the time of install
[19:52] <PsynoKhi0> have you tried those? they're available from a menu when you press F6 at at the cd boot screen
[19:56] <timeout> intok: you should try PsynoKhi0's advice. Also, see here: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Kernel_parameters
[19:56] <timeout> strange though, that a distro which used to work doesn't now
[19:57] <timeout> you don't have a spare mobo lying around somewhere?
[20:07] <intok> slot 1 mobo? no, I'll try the acpi stuff
[20:07] <Raggs> why is there so much gnome in Xubuntu?
[20:07] <PsynoKhi0> careful, 2 are spelled with aPIC, one with aCPI
[20:08] <charlie-tca__> It isn't gnome, but if an application used in gnome works the best for xubuntu, it is included
[20:08] <PsynoKhi0> they're different things though the acronyms are similar
[20:08] <PsynoKhi0> Raggs: you mean GTK apps?
[20:09] <Raggs> just looking in synaptic i see a bunch of gnome stuff, network manager, games and such
[20:10] <charlie-tca__> Raggs, Xubuntu will use whatever works best.
[20:11] <Raggs> best or easiest
[20:11] <charlie-tca__> both, best and easiest. If the app works well and doesn't use a lot of resources, why not let gnome maintain it
[20:11] <PsynoKhi0> at least no mono ;P
[20:12] <charlie-tca__> mono is resources
[20:13] <PsynoKhi0> too controversial for me to bother with for now
[20:14] <charlie-tca__> leave the controversy behind, use what works without breaking my 256MB ram
[20:36] <evonise`emp> hey guys, when doing xubuntu install from the live CD, i ran into this problem: laptop freezes at 5% xubuntu install "partitions formatting" creating ext3 file system in partition #1 SCSI1 (0,0,0)
[20:37] <charlie-tca__> evonise`emp: how much memory do you have?
[20:37] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__ i have 512mb ram
[20:37] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__ i also tried ubuntu, but i also had problems there
[20:37] <charlie-tca__> Might not be freezing, but working. It can take several minutes to get through some parts
[20:38] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__ the mouse was not moving anymore.. is that normal?
[20:38] <charlie-tca__> no
[20:38] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__ for such a long time, while ubuntu also did that
[20:38] <charlie-tca__> mouse always moves for me. But I have seen it take 16 minutes at times
[20:39] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__ so when my mouse stops from moving, and the HDD stops from making sounds
[20:39] <charlie-tca__> Is the disk already formatted?
[20:39] <evonise`emp> the whole computer stops making sounds
[20:39] <evonise`emp> well
[20:39] <evonise`emp> i first had windows XP running smoothly, then i tried windows 7,
[20:39] <evonise`emp> but it failed
[20:39] <evonise`emp> blue screens and stuff
[20:39] <charlie-tca__> If you are using the entire disk, you could remove the partitions first, then restart and run the install
[20:39] <evonise`emp> then i tried ubuntu, but that failed the same as xubuntu now
[20:39] <charlie-tca__> Maybe you have a bad disk?
[20:40] <evonise`emp> i did a drive fitness check
[20:40] <evonise`emp> it ran fine
[20:40] <evonise`emp> (did that because someone from ubuntu supoprt channel told me
[20:40] <evonise`emp> also did a mem test for about 1,5 hours (from the ubuntu cd)
[20:40] <evonise`emp> did the alternate install from ubuntu
[20:41] <evonise`emp> they freeze at different percentages, but they all freeze
[20:41] <evonise`emp> and i checked the CD from errors everytime i burned a diferent on
[20:41] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__, any ideas?
[20:41] <charlie-tca__> could still be a bad cd drive
[20:41] <evonise`emp> ye true
[20:42] <evonise`emp> how can i check that?
[20:42] <charlie-tca__> I had one installed 15 out of 16 times. It failed on something like the 8th install, come to find out the cd drive was bad
[20:42] <charlie-tca__> look in the installer logs
[20:42] <evonise`emp> how can i see those?
[20:43] <charlie-tca__> If you boot from the live cd, look in /var/log/installer
[20:43] <evonise`emp> ok thanks m8!
[20:43] <evonise`emp> ill try that right away
[20:43] <charlie-tca__> If you boot from the alternate cd, go to alt-F2 and look in /var/log/installer
[20:43] <evonise`emp> ill do it from the live cd of xubunty
[20:44] <evonise`emp> can i see logs from older install attempts?
[20:44] <evonise`emp> or only from the latest
[20:44] <charlie-tca__> Sometimes they will still be there and you can look at them.
[20:44] <evonise`emp> k cool
[20:44] <evonise`emp> this channel is much easier to talk in
[20:45] <evonise`emp> the ubuntu channel is so crowded
[20:45] <evonise`emp> :p
[20:45] <evonise`emp> i could barely see who is talking to me hah
[20:45] <charlie-tca__> and we even know the answer sometimes
[20:45] <evonise`emp> ye that would be a sad thing :p
[20:45] <evonise`emp> then i would try windows XP again on my laptop -.-
[20:46] <evonise`emp> oh i misread ur last thing
[20:46] <charlie-tca__> :-)
[20:46] <evonise`emp> thought u said: and we NEVER know the answer sometimes
[20:46] <evonise`emp> lol
[20:49] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__ there is no such log
[20:49] <evonise`emp> ?
[20:49] <evonise`emp> . /var/log/installer
[20:50] <charlie-tca__> should be in system, /var/log/installer
[20:50] <charlie-tca__> Is there anything in /var/log ?
[20:50] <evonise`emp> yes
[20:50] <evonise`emp> a few folders, and files
[20:51] <evonise`emp> apparmor, apt, concolekit, cups (folders)
[20:51] <charlie-tca__> but no installer folder. Look at dmesg
[20:51] <evonise`emp> and more..
[20:51] <evonise`emp> i see dmesg
[20:51] <charlie-tca__> see if it has anything about the cd drive
[20:51] <evonise`emp> what is dmesg
[20:52] <evonise`emp> there is allot in it ...
[20:52] <evonise`emp> 30 kb plain text
[20:52] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__ where should i look for
[20:52] <evonise`emp> ?
[20:53] <charlie-tca__> Just gotta look for cd drive, see if it mentions anything.
[20:53] <charlie-tca__> I usually go through the entire log, scanning for things mentioning it.
[20:54] <evonise`emp> ok
[20:54] <evonise`emp> it says alot about the cd
[20:54] <charlie-tca__> You might have to try to install again, then when it hangs, hit Alt+F4, which gives a running log of the install. It will tell the time it last did anything
[20:55] <evonise`emp> kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/casper blabla
[20:55] <charlie-tca__> check the minutes and seconds against the clock to see how long it sits
[20:55] <evonise`emp> if it hangs, will it do alt f4?
[20:55] <charlie-tca__> It if it frozen, check the /var/log/installer logs, and dmesg for why
[20:55] <evonise`emp> bacause i cant do anything when it freezes, i just turn off the laptop
[20:56] <charlie-tca__> does caps lock or num lock blink the lights at all?
[20:56] <evonise`emp> ill try next time, but my laptop doesnt have these lights i thought lolo
[20:56] <charlie-tca__> ohhh
[20:56] <evonise`emp> oh yes it has them
[20:56] <evonise`emp> so i can check that
[20:56] <evonise`emp> if it hangs
[20:56] <evonise`emp> nice on
[20:56] <evonise`emp> one
[20:56] <charlie-tca__> If the lights work, it is not frozen
[20:57] <charlie-tca__> it is just working
[20:57] <evonise`emp> if it hangs, and caps is doing anything, i can do alt f4 ?
[20:57] <charlie-tca__> yes
[20:57] <evonise`emp> ok ill try that first
[20:57] <evonise`emp> byt
[20:57] <evonise`emp> but
[20:57] <evonise`emp> in dmesg
[20:57] <PsynoKhi0> charlie-tca__: or it's a kernel panic :P
[20:57] <evonise`emp> there is no time indicator
[20:57] <evonise`emp> lol whats that
[20:57] <charlie-tca__> If it is working hard, it might take a minute to switch.
[20:57] <evonise`emp> to switch caps light?
[20:57] <charlie-tca__> time indicator is the numbers on the left
[20:57] <charlie-tca__> hours, minutes, seconds
[20:57] <PsynoKhi0> keyboard lights blink when the kernel goes loopy
[20:58] <evonise`emp> loopy? what?
[20:58] <charlie-tca__> PsynoKhi0: that won't apply if he hits caps lock to see the light
[20:58] <PsynoKhi0> ah nvm I' ll just confuse you :D
[20:58] <evonise`emp> oh lol wait :p
[20:58] <charlie-tca__> they blink on their own for a kernel panic
[20:58] <evonise`emp> hahaha PsynoKhi0 :D
[20:58] <evonise`emp> ok
[20:59] <evonise`emp> but the time indicator says: 2.62xxx all the time
[20:59] <charlie-tca__> that ain't it.
[20:59] <PsynoKhi0> it was a pun at "< charlie-tca__> If the lights work, it is not frozen"
[20:59] <PsynoKhi0> :)
[20:59] <evonise`emp> then there is no time indicator
[20:59] <charlie-tca__> you are right. You will see it during the install on Alt+F4 though
[21:00] <evonise`emp> k
[21:00] <charlie-tca__> Usually the hours are off, but minutes are right
[21:00] <evonise`emp> ill try to install again, and see if caps lights work
[21:00] <evonise`emp> they should go instantly right?
[21:00] <charlie-tca__> It should not stall more than a minute or two at a time
[21:00] <charlie-tca__> no, not instantly if it is busy, but within a minute or so
[21:00] <evonise`emp> k
[21:00] <evonise`emp> thanks ill try it now
[21:00] <charlie-tca__> Gotta go to a meeting now
[21:15] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__ ok!
[21:39] <evonise`emp> hey guys, ive been trying to install xbutuntu on my laptop, but im getting random freezes at different points in the install process. what can be wrong?
[21:47] <PsynoKhi0> pretty much anything
[21:49] <PsynoKhi0> can you run a live session?
[21:51] <charlie-tca__> evonise`emp: did that Alt+F4 work?
[22:02] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__ hey man, no luck there
[22:02] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__ i came a bit further
[22:02] <evonise`emp> though
[22:02] <evonise`emp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/253321
[22:02] <evonise`emp> this bug is i think what i have
[22:03] <evonise`emp> someone also states having the same laptop as me, and someone knows a workaround, and he says that the problem is because of his cd player (which is the same as mine!)
[22:03] <evonise`emp> but i dont know how to do that workaround -.-
[22:03] <evonise`emp> can u help me?
[22:04] <charlie-tca__> You saw this: The problem was due to my CD drive, QSI SBW-242, causing occasional system freezes, when used with UDMA/33.
[22:05] <evonise`emp> yes
[22:05] <evonise`emp> and then that workaround
[22:05] <evonise`emp> i dont know how to do that
[22:05] <evonise`emp> i tried adding this
[22:05] <evonise`emp> options libata force=2.00:pio4
[22:05] <evonise`emp> to the line
[22:05] <evonise`emp> but maybe because im trying to install xubuntu now, is that a problem?
[22:05] <charlie-tca__> You use the alternate cd and hit F6 before starting the install, at the menu
[22:05] <evonise`emp> since that is ubuntu
[22:06] <charlie-tca__> Then you type that into the end of the line on screen, after the dashes
[22:06] <evonise`emp> ah  then i need to burn the alternate install again lol
[22:06] <charlie-tca__> then hit enter
[22:06] <evonise`emp> after -- ?
[22:06] <charlie-tca__> yeah
[22:06] <evonise`emp> so xxx -- options libata force=2.00:pio4
[22:06] <charlie-tca__> yeah
[22:06] <evonise`emp> i tried that
[22:06] <evonise`emp> with xubuntu
[22:06] <charlie-tca__> Is this a laptop?
[22:06] <evonise`emp> yes
[22:06] <evonise`emp> Aspire 1310
[22:07] <evonise`emp> but i tried blabla -- options libata force=2.00:pio4
[22:07] <evonise`emp> and it freezed even during the selection of keyboard
[22:07] <evonise`emp> so it freezed much faster this time
[22:07] <charlie-tca__> The freeze point jumps around?
[22:08] <evonise`emp> the point of freeze differs yes
[22:08] <evonise`emp> just like they say on that bug reoprt
[22:08] <evonise`emp> but mostly on 22-23% of copying files
[22:08] <charlie-tca__> ooops, instead, hit f6 at the menu of the live cd, type break=top
[22:09] <evonise`emp> hm
[22:09] <evonise`emp> and which option should i do then
[22:09] <charlie-tca__> When the prompt comes up, type echo 'options libata dma=0' >> /etc/modprobe.d/options
[22:09] <evonise`emp> ye tey said that there, but how can i type there?
[22:09] <evonise`emp> it goes so fast
[22:09] <PsynoKhi0> evonise`emp: nothing, press escape to close the popup
[22:09] <charlie-tca__> break=top should make it quit
[22:09] <evonise`emp> aaah
[22:09] <evonise`emp> i c
[22:09] <PsynoKhi0> f6 -> esc -> type "break=top"
[22:10] <evonise`emp> ok
[22:10] <PsynoKhi0> without quotes
[22:10] <evonise`emp> but
[22:10] <evonise`emp> the option i choose
[22:10] <evonise`emp> is Install xubuntu right
[22:10] <evonise`emp> not try it first from cd
[22:10] <evonise`emp> and then isntall
[22:10] <charlie-tca__> I am looking at the menu, just a minute
[22:10] <evonise`emp> k cool
[22:10] <evonise`emp> i was searching on google for a screenie :p
[22:10] <crazygir> is this still relavent to creating tun/tap interfaces? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179472
[22:10] <whitesmith> Last night, I was trying to figure out how to access my NTFS partition using thunar, but was unable to (I believe xubuntu didn't recognize the partition for some reason.  One of the people in here suggested I $ lsusb, $ sudo fdisk -l, and $ dmesg, sending all the information to pastebin, which I have.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/211742/ - Is there anyone here who can help out an amateur to Unix-like OSes, who is also a complete b
[22:10] <whitesmith> eginner to xubuntu?
[22:11] <evonise`emp> whitesmith yes
[22:11] <evonise`emp> whitesmith nvm, i thought u were talking to me ;p
[22:12] <charlie-tca__> evonise`emp: F6, ESC, break=top after the --
[22:12] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0, i do f6,
[22:12] <evonise`emp> yes
[22:12] <charlie-tca__> Use Install Xubuntu
[22:12] <evonise`emp> i have that now
[22:12] <evonise`emp> ok
[22:12] <evonise`emp> then i have to type it again
[22:12] <charlie-tca__> It will stop partway, at a # I think
[22:13] <evonise`emp> cus it dissapears when i use down arrows
[22:13] <charlie-tca__> type the echo in, hit enter
[22:13] <charlie-tca__> type exit, hit enter
[22:13] <charlie-tca__> It should go on
[22:13] <charlie-tca__> what disappears?
[22:13] <PsynoKhi0> evonise`emp: highlight Install Xubuntu, hit f6, then esc, type break=top, press enter
[22:14] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0 yes, idid that now, np charlie-tca__
[22:14] <charlie-tca__> bad disk or bad cd drive
[22:14] <evonise`emp> now i see: (initframfs) _ (flashing _)
[22:14] <evonise`emp> because of the break=top probabbly
[22:15] <evonise`emp> its the busybox
[22:15] <evonise`emp> so i should type that echo?
[22:15] <charlie-tca__> yes
[22:16] <charlie-tca__> including echo
[22:16] <evonise`emp> k
[22:16] <evonise`emp> should it say something afterwards? cus it doenst
[22:17] <whitesmith> Anyone have any ideas on how to get my NTFS partition showing up in thunar?
[22:17] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__, just exit afterwards?
[22:18] <charlie-tca__> nope, won't say anything
[22:18] <charlie-tca__> exit
[22:18] <PsynoKhi0> whitesmith: could you add the fstab file located under /etc?
[22:18] <evonise`emp> k
[22:18] <PsynoKhi0> to your pastebin output
[22:18] <whitesmith> kk
[22:18] <PsynoKhi0> cat /etc/fstab
[22:18] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__, its loading the installer right now i think :)
[22:18] <charlie-tca__> Okay. See if it will work this time
[22:18] <evonise`emp> ye hope so ;p
[22:19] <charlie-tca__> Freeze should be in the same place every time if the cd drive is bad
[22:19] <evonise`emp> hm
[22:19] <evonise`emp> its not
[22:19] <whitesmith> http://paste.ubuntu.com/212257/
[22:19] <whitesmith> done
[22:20] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__, the freeze that is
[22:20] <PsynoKhi0> whitesmith: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7526772 <- that should help you :)
[22:21] <whitesmith> checking URL
[22:21] <PsynoKhi0> whitesmith: one thing bothers me with that thread though
[22:22] <PsynoKhi0> whitesmith: they say you should start mousepad with: sudo mousepad /etc/fstab
[22:22] <whitesmith> so, no sudo?
[22:22] <PsynoKhi0> I've always been told that for graphical apps, one should use gksudo
[22:22] <PsynoKhi0> sudo for command line stuff, gksudo for graphical stuff
[22:22] <whitesmith> oh...  i don't know if it makes much of a difference
[22:23] <whitesmith> mind you, i'm the moron who uses abiword instead of mousepad
[22:23] <PsynoKhi0> lol
[22:24] <whitesmith> i always thought xubuntu had ntfs support for a long while now?
[22:24] <whitesmith> so, is sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g really needed?
[22:25] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__ :(((((
[22:25] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__ its getting stuck at 24% now
[22:25] <PsynoKhi0> hmm just checked myself and ntfs-3g is included (at least in jaunty=
[22:25] <charlie-tca__> leave it alone for 10 minutes
[22:25] <evonise`emp> mouse stopped working and capslock light doest work
[22:25] <charlie-tca__> It should be unpacking the language packs
[22:25] <evonise`emp> k
[22:25] <evonise`emp> hm
[22:25] <PsynoKhi0> whitesmith: so fstab
[22:26] <evonise`emp> once while i was installing ubuntu (or: i was trying to) i left it for 30 mins
[22:26] <charlie-tca__> Might be just working the cpu hard
[22:26] <evonise`emp> nothing worked
[22:26] <evonise`emp> k ill just wait then
[22:26] <evonise`emp> otherwise, what can be a problem?
[22:26] <PsynoKhi0> whitesmith: but in your case, it should be /dev/sda1
[22:26] <charlie-tca__> bad cd disk or hardware issues
[22:26] <PsynoKhi0> whitesmith: not /dev/sda2
[22:26] <evonise`emp> cd? i checked it for errors
[22:27] <whitesmith> ok
[22:27] <evonise`emp> and windows xp went fine
[22:27] <charlie-tca__> It can pass the error checks and still be bad
[22:27] <evonise`emp> hm
[22:27] <evonise`emp> im using a rewritable disk, is that a problem?
[22:28] <evonise`emp> btw, i also dont see the hdd disk led flashing or something
[22:28] <whitesmith> ok...  should i try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=785263&highlight=sudo+fdisk first?
[22:28] <evonise`emp> and dont hear anything
[22:28] <charlie-tca__> I don't know, I would try a different disc, cd-r if you have one
[22:28] <evonise`emp> (think of hdd rattling sound)
[22:28] <evonise`emp> ye k
[22:28] <charlie-tca__> hdd led won't flash if the cpu is working,
[22:29] <evonise`emp> the fan is working though
[22:29] <evonise`emp> all the time
[22:29] <evonise`emp> but sometimes during other freezes, the fan didnt do anything
[22:30] <PsynoKhi0> whitesmith: sounds good
[22:30] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__, i think it defenitely freezed
[22:30] <charlie-tca__> hmmm
[22:31] <whitesmith> thx a lot.  i'll get back to you on it when i know
[22:31] <charlie-tca__> PsynoKhi0: any ideas on the install freeze? been 4 minutes without activity
[22:31] <charlie-tca__> evonise`emp: hit Alt+F4
[22:32] <evonise`emp> the only thing that is active is the fan, its on all the time, while usually it stops
[22:32] <evonise`emp> ok, how can i see if that worked?
[22:32] <charlie-tca__> Are you using the laptop keyboard?
[22:32] <evonise`emp> yes
[22:32] <charlie-tca__> wait
[22:32] <charlie-tca__> like 1 minute
[22:32] <evonise`emp> i have nothing inserted (usb stuff or input cards or something)
[22:32] <evonise`emp> so, alt+f4, and then wait 1 min?
[22:32] <charlie-tca__> I guess try a cd-r
[22:33] <charlie-tca__> yeah, alt+f4, wait 1 minute
[22:33] <evonise`emp> ye ill try that after, is it a problem if i burn ubuntu then?
[22:33] <evonise`emp> normal ubuntu?
[22:33] <charlie-tca__> see if it switches
[22:33] <PsynoKhi0> whitesmith: thank you too for the ntfs-config tip :D
[22:33] <charlie-tca__> Don't matter what you burn
[22:33] <evonise`emp> k
[22:33] <evonise`emp> ye since this is the xubuntu channel :p
[22:33] <charlie-tca__> If you install ubuntu, you can install xubuntu-desktop to get to xubuntu if you want
[22:33] <evonise`emp> ah ok
[22:34] <charlie-tca__> install failure is an install failure, for me
[22:34] <charlie-tca__> I run 8 a day, 6 days a week
[22:34] <whitesmith> lol it was the thread you referred me to that had a reference to another thread with that in it, so it's all you.  ;)
[22:35] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__, its not doing anything after alt+f4
[22:35] <charlie-tca__> Only other thing I got is try a different cd-r
[22:35] <evonise`emp> k ill try that
[22:35] <charlie-tca__> I have a horrible time with cd-rw's, myself
[22:36] <PsynoKhi0> whitesmith: though I wonder if you shouldn't create the mount point by hand at first
[22:37] <whitesmith> i think that's a better idea
[22:37] <whitesmith> in ubuntu, where'd the mount point usually be if it were autogenerated?
[22:37] <whitesmith> or xubuntu, i should say
[22:37] <PsynoKhi0> hmm... under /media or /mnt
[22:38] <PsynoKhi0> sudo mkdir /media/windows
[22:38] <PsynoKhi0> would be safe IMO
[22:38] <whitesmith> i have my cdroms and floppies listed under media so, that'd prolly be best, eh?
[22:38] <whitesmith> kk
[22:40] <whitesmith> hmm... in that NTFS config tool, it's telling me to set a mount point
[22:40] <PsynoKhi0> /media/windows
[22:40] <whitesmith> yeah i said that, and got an error
[22:40] <PsynoKhi0> or?
[22:40] <PsynoKhi0> erm
[22:40] <PsynoKhi0> oh*
[22:41] <whitesmith> you must choose a name, not a directory.
[22:41] <PsynoKhi0> o.O
[22:41] <whitesmith> "/media/windows contains an invalid caracter.  you must choose a name, not a directory."
[22:42] <whitesmith> oops
[22:42] <whitesmith> lol
[22:42] <PsynoKhi0> ?
[22:42] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__, at what speed should i burn the cd?
[22:42] <Slonkie> lowest possible
[22:42] <whitesmith> it'll create the dir by itself apparently
[22:42] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[22:42] <Slonkie> Then you should be pretty sure it's not messed up.
[22:42] <whitesmith> so, i shouldn't have sudo mkdir'd one
[22:42] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__ and what program? im using cdburnerXP
[22:43] <evonise`emp> Slonkie, u talking to me :D?
[22:43] <Slonkie> Yes.
[22:43] <PsynoKhi0> whitesmith: I wasn't sure it would create is so... anyway
[22:43] <whitesmith> i think all i need to do is sudo rm -rf windows in media
[22:43] <evonise`emp> Slonkie ok thanks!
[22:43] <Slonkie> use imgburn in windows, evonise`emp!
[22:43] <evonise`emp> Slonkie how does that work :S
[22:43] <whitesmith> lol we both assumed wrong there - linux on the desktop has come a far way from when i was a kid  lol
[22:43] <evonise`emp> Slonkie i have XP
[22:44] <whitesmith> now everything seems to be done for you
[22:44] <Slonkie> download imgburn, install, burn.
[22:44] <PsynoKhi0> evonise`emp: cdburnerxp should do, but Slonkie beat me to is, imgburn is usually better
[22:44] <Slonkie> very simple.
[22:44] <PsynoKhi0> to it*
[22:44] <evonise`emp> oh ok, i know that one, i didnt know u meant it
[22:44] <evonise`emp> k ill do it
[22:44] <PsynoKhi0> whitesmith: spoon fed, ubuntu style :P
[22:44] <whitesmith> lol
[22:46] <PsynoKhi0> and now something completely unrelated: usually I hate standard GUI appearance settings in OSes... but darn I can't find a gtk theme I like more than MurrinaStormCloud
[22:46] <whitesmith> lol huh - that's kewl
[22:46] <Slonkie> Durt is nice.
[22:46] <whitesmith> I haven't got into looxing at themes, yet.
[22:47] <Slonkie> Dusty 2*
[22:47] <whitesmith> I just like my system to do what it's told, and don't care if it's pretty.  :p
[22:47] <evonise`emp> Slonkie, so what speed should i do? 2x?
[22:47] <Slonkie> yea evonise`emp
[22:47] <evonise`emp> Slonkie i can also do 1x lol
[22:47] <Slonkie> won't take long anyway.
[22:47] <Slonkie> well 2-8x is what i prefer
[22:47] <whitesmith> Mind, apparently the Bladerunner theme for e17 is awesomeness.  lol
[22:47] <evonise`emp> k ill do 2
[22:48] <whitesmith> holy cow it worked lol
[22:48] <evonise`emp> Slonkie, wtf, it said access denied (or something like that): hint: wmp is running. close it and try again!
[22:48] <evonise`emp> Slonkie what the hell is that :P, i closed wmp and it worked, but wtf?
[22:49] <Slonkie> No idea.
[22:49] <Slonkie> wmp is shit anyway ;).
[22:49] <whitesmith> now, I just need to restart to see if it does automount
[22:50] <whitesmith> btw, ntfs config wont autorun or anything silly like that, right?  it just makes a now line in fstab?
[22:50] <whitesmith> ^new
[22:50] <evonise`emp> Slonkie haha
[22:51] <evonise`emp> Slonkie, cant my cd/dvd drive not be dirty? (and might that not be the problem for the freezes?)
[22:51] <Slonkie> i don't understand?
[22:51] <Slonkie> not be dirty?
[22:52] <Slonkie> Sorry i haven't been here all the time, i diden't get to read your problem.
[22:52] <charlie-tca__> evonise`emp: yes it could
[22:52] <charlie-tca__> sorry, I am following the community council meeting
[22:53] <PsynoKhi0> whitesmith: I actually don't know... but so far the program has been smarter than we thought so... :P
[22:53] <whitesmith> lol
[22:54] <whitesmith> kk restarting to see if it automounts - brb
[22:54] <PsynoKhi0> wait
[22:54] <whitesmith> k
[22:54] <PsynoKhi0> have you checked that there was a new linein your fstab?
[22:55] <whitesmith> no, actually i didn't - good idea
[22:55] <whitesmith> btw...  why are there two of you?  one with a 0 and one with an 8?  :s
[23:01] <Slonkie> There's only one of him... eeeh
[23:02] <PsynoKhi0> ??
[23:02] <whitesmith> lol there's only one of him in here, but i'm getting private messages from another him  lol
[23:03] <whitesmith> or...  (more likely) i',m an idiot and my font is off
[23:03] <whitesmith> btw
[23:03] <whitesmith>  "/dev/sda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_CA.UTF-8 0 0"
[23:03] <whitesmith> does that look right to you?  :p
[23:03] <PsynoKhi0> yes
[23:05] <whitesmith> kk sorry for being such a moron at all of this
[23:06] <whitesmith> i'll restart just to be sure, and let you know if it worked (which i'm sure it will at this point).
[23:06] <whitesmith> brb
[23:11] <evonise`emp> charlie-tca__, i burned the cd on a cd-r, 2x speed, im gonna try install now normally
[23:12] <charlie-tca__> good luck
[23:12] <evonise`emp> heh ye :)
[23:12] <FitnessFirst> hi guys
[23:12] <crazygir> when you create a tun/tap interface associated with a nic, is that device then dedicated to this tun/tap device?
[23:13] <charlie-tca__> I think it is, crazygir
[23:13] <charlie-tca__> It should be using the tap? instead of eth? too
[23:13] <charlie-tca__> or is it br?
[23:15] <charlie-tca__> Okay, gotta go now. See you all later.
[23:16] <crazygir> dunno.. i'd like to keep the original interface running without interruption
[23:20] <evonise`emp> ah damn
[23:20] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0
[23:20] <evonise`emp> char.. just left
[23:20] <evonise`emp> did u follow what we talked about?
[23:21] <PsynoKhi0> erm not really
[23:21] <PsynoKhi0> let me scroll
[23:21] <evonise`emp> lol
[23:22] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0, i tried a CD-r instead of the RW,
[23:22] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[23:22] <Name141> Hello, I have had an issue with my NIC working since Intrepid and doesn't even work in Jaunty.  However, it worked fine in Hardy.  Anyway, I have to remove the module e1000e, then modprobe it for the network connection to come back.  Is it possible that I could find a way to install ubuntu on to my flash drive , TO MAKE changes with?  Rather than just keeping it a LIVE session ?  That way I can make a bug report.
[23:24] <Name141> Would I be able to install it directly to it like it was a hard drive, but put the boot image (lilo/grub?) on to the hard drive?
[23:25] <PsynoKhi0> Name141: what kind of flash drive?
[23:26] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0, so do u have any idea? it is stuck now on 22%
[23:26] <Name141> PsynoKhi0: eh if it matters, a 8 GB Toshiba
[23:26] <evonise`emp> copying files
[23:26] <Name141> (7.64 GB really)
[23:27] <evonise`emp> Slonkie, the CD-R also doesnt work (install freezes at 22%, copying files)
[23:28] <evonise`emp> any ideas?
[23:28] <Slonkie> no sorry :/
[23:28] <evonise`emp> Slonkie k np..
[23:28] <PsynoKhi0> evonise`emp: did you try any other boot paramenter besides break=top?
[23:29] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0, not this time
[23:29] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0, shall i do that again? because with the RW it failed
[23:30] <evonise`emp> although that was xubuntu, it got stuck at 24% copying files
[23:30] <evonise`emp> now ubuntu, 22% freeze (but without break=top and that echo part)
[23:31] <PsynoKhi0> well yeah, you should keep using beark=top...
[23:31] <PsynoKhi0> break*
[23:31] <evonise`emp> k ill try it now
[23:31] <evonise`emp> and this: echo 'options libata dma=0' >> /etc/modprobe.d/options
[23:31] <evonise`emp> what does that do actually
[23:31] <PsynoKhi0> Name141: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-xubuntu-904-persistent-install-windows/ <- something like that? note that it requires windows
[23:34] <PsynoKhi0> evonise`emp: from the looks of it it tells the part of Ubuntu that controls your drives to stop using a setting your drives cannot use
[23:34] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0, k i did that echo, its loading the installer now,
[23:34] <evonise`emp> hm ok
[23:34] <onewart> xubuntu, fuck yeah!
[23:34] <PsynoKhi0> if that sounded confusing it's ok, I'm not sure I know how to explain it in proper terms
[23:34] <whitesmith> lol @ onewart - Agreed.
[23:34] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0, if this doesnt work, any ideas what can be the problem?
[23:35] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0, haha no problem mate!
[23:38] <PsynoKhi0> evonise`emp: if it doesn't work I don't know, really... either try to dig more info on the net, try another distro, get a new comp, give up... the possibilities are endless :P
[23:39] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0 lol
[23:40] <evonise`emp> it freezed again
[23:40] <evonise`emp> on 23% this time
[23:40] <evonise`emp> damn this! :D
[23:40] <PsynoKhi0> alt f4?
[23:40] <evonise`emp> and  then?
[23:40] <PsynoKhi0> shows anything?
[23:40] <evonise`emp> i did that last time
[23:40] <evonise`emp> oh let met ry
[23:40] <evonise`emp> nope
[23:40] <evonise`emp> just like last time
[23:41] <evonise`emp> some other guy that helped me before said look in the installer logs
[23:41] <PsynoKhi0> 23% of copying stuff?
[23:41] <evonise`emp> dmesg
[23:41] <evonise`emp> or something
[23:41] <evonise`emp> yes, exactly
[23:41] <evonise`emp> its been 24%, 22%, 23$
[23:41] <evonise`emp> all of those
[23:42] <PsynoKhi0> I mean, the harddrive had been partitioned?
[23:42] <evonise`emp> ehm
[23:42] <evonise`emp> yes before that
[23:42] <evonise`emp> it did that
[23:43] <evonise`emp> although sometimes it crashed during that
[23:43] <PsynoKhi0> well
[23:43] <evonise`emp> and once it crashed during keyboard layout
[23:43] <evonise`emp> setting stuff
[23:43] <PsynoKhi0> ok one last try, then I'm out of ideas
[23:43] <evonise`emp> lol
[23:43] <evonise`emp> :D
[23:44] <PsynoKhi0> you're gonna do the same as before: select install, press F6
[23:44] <evonise`emp> but i dont understand, i thought i hadthis bug
[23:44] <evonise`emp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/253321
[23:44] <PsynoKhi0> wait
[23:44] <evonise`emp> ok
[23:44] <evonise`emp> ok yes sorry ;p
[23:44] <PsynoKhi0> after pressing F6, select noapic nolapic, then press escape
[23:45] <PsynoKhi0> and enter the following:
[23:45] <evonise`emp> so: noapic and nolapic?
[23:45] <PsynoKhi0> yes
[23:46] <PsynoKhi0> hang on, lost the paper I had written something on
[23:46] <evonise`emp> oh lol :o
[23:46] <PsynoKhi0> ah there it is... after pressing esc to close the little menu, type:
[23:47] <PsynoKhi0> xforcevesa all_generic_ide break=top
[23:47] <evonise`emp> ok
[23:47] <evonise`emp> after --
[23:47] <evonise`emp> a space after that? or doesnt that matter
[23:49] <PsynoKhi0> no space, it's alrady there
[23:49] <evonise`emp> ye i c
[23:49] <evonise`emp> ok ill hit enter ;p
[23:50] <PsynoKhi0> not that it would break anything with extra space afaik but think of your keys' life span!! :P
[23:50] <evonise`emp> lol
[23:50] <PsynoKhi0> Name141: getting your usb drive up?
[23:50] <evonise`emp> so what now? since the break=top
[23:50] <evonise`emp> im in the busybox
[23:52] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0 ?
[23:53] <PsynoKhi0> ye?
[23:53] <evonise`emp> ehm, what now, im in the busybox
[23:53] <PsynoKhi0> still the echo thingie
[23:53] <evonise`emp> oh ok
[23:55] <evonise`emp> its loading the installer now
[23:55] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0, but what i dont understand, im having the exact bug as described on that site, why isnt it working
[23:56] <PsynoKhi0> no idea =/
[23:57] <evonise`emp> they also say: Still occurs for 8.10 Alpha5. Occurs when booting with "all_generic_ide" option, as well.
[23:57] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0, Same issue on Acer Aspire 1310 ... (my laptop :P)
[23:58] <PsynoKhi0> evonise`emp: I know, notice that the message appears before the break=top suggestion
[23:58] <evonise`emp> true
[23:58] <PsynoKhi0> so all_generic_ide on its own didn't help
[23:59] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0 k, what about the via chip they are talking about