[00:14] <will3032840> Hello!
[00:14] <will3032840> Hello?
[00:36] <cobalt60-ac100> Is there any device that is similar enough to the Nexus 7 that Ubuntu will run on it using the same image/install instructions?
[01:01] <jpastore> hola anyone here have experience with motion? I have a webcam hooked up to a beaglebone and I want to record jpeg snapshots to the disk. I do not want to stream
[01:41] <cobalt60-ac100> jpastore IIRC motion has a great man page
[01:53] <jpastore> cobalt60-ac100: yea the man pages weren't isntalled. thanks. I'll google.
[05:13] <scientes_> anyone run 12.10 on the chromebook
[05:14] <scientes_> when i upgraded it would hang at plymouth terminal != void*(0) error
[05:14] <scientes_> from 12.04
[05:14] <scientes_> i really need multiarch stuff that is in 12.10
[06:25] <moofree> compiling seamonkey cause there are no precompiled armhf builds
[06:25] <moofree> shame on you people! ;)
[11:07] <IamTrying> I had OLife installed in my Android tablet. This is 3rd time it crashes the Tablet.
[11:07] <IamTrying> Why??
[11:27] <IamTrying> Why its not showing any boot screen now at all?
[11:28] <IamTrying> Its always black screen
[11:28] <IamTrying> power off/on
[11:28] <IamTrying> always showing black screen
[11:28] <lilstevie> cause you either did something wrong or let the battery go dead
[11:31] <IamTrying> lilstevie, right now the usb from Android Eee Pad is connected to my laptop and `lsusb` does not show anything at all when i plug in or out
[11:34] <lilstevie> so flat battery
[11:36] <IamTrying> lilstevie, i have connected adapter now, and i see OLife Boot screen to fail mode like all those boot lines
[11:59] <IamTrying> lilstevie, do you know if there is any new release of OLife i was using ages old one.
[12:00] <lilstevie> no newer version
[12:00] <lilstevie> others have done alternatives, and my interest in tf101 is minimal
[12:05] <IamTrying> lilstevie, http://lilstevie.geek.nz/ports/OLiFE-Prime-Edition.tar.gz  - those files are empty????? is it removed???
[12:06] <lilstevie> where are you opening the link from?
[12:07] <lilstevie> hm
[12:08] <lilstevie> IamTrying: and if you try download it from http://lilstevie.geek.nz/downloads/
[12:08] <lilstevie> new system probably broke the old links
[12:09] <IamTrying> lilstevie, old links are broken but this works now thank you. http://lilstevie.geek.nz/downloads
[12:10] <lilstevie> IamTrying: you can blame the people who decided to adify my links for that
[12:12] <IamTrying> OK :)
[12:13] <IamTrying> https://tari.in/www/eng/articles/transformer/
[12:35] <IamTrying> lilstevie, after downloading from your new link i get this now? https://gist.github.com/4642079
[13:18] <IamTrying> lilstevie, i again downloaded the file but its not running OLife your download is broken? Is there any alternative?
[13:38] <IamTrying> lilstevie, after dong the FLASH why it turns of the Tablet it does all the installation and then it never turn it on.
[13:39] <IamTrying> In the terminal it shows its formating and all done but in the Tablet its always black screen.
[13:55] <IamTrying> lilstevie, here its doing nothing http://i.imgur.com/hzdKv3o.png
[14:20] <IamTrying> Putting device into Nv3P Phone Update mode  > Nvflash started  and it does nothing else...
[15:21] <IamTrying> lilstevie, how do i exit APC mode? after doing flash and update it always remain in Black screen.
[15:22] <lilstevie> hold the power button for >10sec
[15:23] <IamTrying> lilstevie, i did not 10sec, 20sec, 30sec no result. Then i connect USB and lsusb shows its still in APC mode.
[15:24] <IamTrying> Right now i have the power button on hold. But still i have black screen. Once i go to OLife and again use option 2 or 3, i can see the screen turns on for showing update status
[15:25] <IamTrying> But holding power button >10sec or more is not booting or rebooting nor existing the APC mode.
[15:28] <IamTrying> lilstevie, what can i do in such situation? Its completely remain on APC mode, nothing happening when i do power off/on >10sec etc
[15:30] <lilstevie> Sun Jan 27 02:29:53 EST 2013
[15:31] <IamTrying> I think your download release version is conflicted one. It was working before when you had old links.
[15:31] <IamTrying> Can you please give me the old link files?? Your current files from download is conflict it has something strange causing it.
[15:31] <lilstevie> the files are the exact same
[15:31] <lilstevie> no different
[15:32] <IamTrying> lilstevie, i am very sure it is wrong, because i remember i had that file and i can work with it but the recent new files gives me this: https://gist.github.com/4642079
[15:32] <lilstevie> the difference is literally mv ports/OLiFE.tar.gz protected/path/OLiFE.tar.gz_version_md5sum
[15:33] <lilstevie> IamTrying: seriously don't tell me what you are very sure is wrong
[15:33] <lilstevie> I know what I did
[15:34] <IamTrying> lilstevie, but your old files all was perfectly working, now it does not.
[15:34]  * lilstevie facepalms
[15:35] <IamTrying> when i do option 3. in past it was saying "Nvflash started [resume mode]"
[15:35] <lilstevie> check the md5sum
[15:38] <lilstevie> IamTrying:
[15:38] <lilstevie> $ openssl md5 OLiFE*
[15:38] <lilstevie> MD5(OLiFE-Prime-Edition.tar.gz_1.2a_TF101_767779ccfa200e5e00b2f1e33a3d73a9)= 767779ccfa200e5e00b2f1e33a3d73a9
[15:38] <lilstevie> MD5(OLiFE.tar.gz_1.2a_TF101_c30263fd8271a23bb211fd9fdd69fa45)= c30263fd8271a23bb211fd9fdd69fa45
[15:38] <lilstevie> that is what is currently on my server
[15:38] <lilstevie> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16101612&postcount=3
[15:39] <IamTrying> OK lilstevie thank you trying it now.
[15:39] <lilstevie> md5sums are the same as in that post that hasn't been edited since nov 2011
[15:40] <IamTrying> OK - strange let me show you something what is happening right now.
[15:41] <lilstevie> I'd rather go to sleep
[15:43] <IamTrying> lilstevie, http://imgur.com/WDGG0Su,dTX4m74   - after doing the option 3 > 2 > 2 i have this screens
[15:44] <IamTrying> And it in past, was rebooting , and now if i hold power off button >10sec then it again goes to APC mode and remain in black screen
[15:44] <lilstevie> you do have images in the images/ folder rightr
[15:44] <lilstevie> -r
[15:45] <IamTrying> YES i do have yes
[15:45] <IamTrying> root@sun-M14xR2:~/Downloads/OLiFE/images# ls
[15:45] <IamTrying> bootloader.bin  transformer.bct  uboot-part.img
[15:45] <IamTrying> lilstevie, ^ those what i have
[15:46] <lilstevie> yeah, so you don't have images in the images folder
[15:47] <lilstevie> read the readme
[15:48] <IamTrying> OK - lilstevie.
[15:49] <IamTrying> I loaded now the images
[15:49] <IamTrying> root@sun-M14xR2:~/Downloads/OLiFE/images# ls
[15:49] <IamTrying> bootloader.bin  system.img  transformer.bct  uboot-part.img  ubuntu.img
[15:55] <lilstevie> IamTrying: you are still missing a boot.img
[16:00] <IamTrying> lilstevie, YES - but where can i find it. i have no boot.img file no where for this ASUS Eee Pad
[16:08] <IamTrying> boot.img is it the image of Android?
[16:08] <IamTrying> or is it supposed to be coming from OLife?
[16:08] <lilstevie> android
[16:14] <IamTrying> lilstevie, https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images - i can only take the boot.img from Nexus 7?
[16:15] <IamTrying> there are several files on there link
[16:15] <IamTrying> boot.img, recovery.img, system.img, userdata.img
[16:15] <IamTrying> bootloader-grouper-4.13.img
[16:15] <IamTrying> image-nakasi-jop40d.zip has (boot.img, recovery.img, system.img, userdata.img)
[16:16] <IamTrying> Which one i should take for OLife?
[17:27] <Tassadar> ogra_: bluetooth on Nexus 7 is not working because of problems with firmware loading, and it is not specific for nexus 7, but to all Broadcomm chips, right?
[17:34] <ogra_> well,yes and no
[17:35] <ogra_> this chip has some specialities yhat require some changes in userspace
[17:36] <ogra_> we'll ne working on that next week
[17:36] <ogra_> *be
[17:36] <Tassadar> okay, thanks
[20:56] <IamTrying> lilstevie, i have the image boot.img but still same
[20:56] <IamTrying> root@sun-M14xR2:~/Downloads/OLiFE/images# ls
[20:56] <IamTrying> android-info.txt  boot.img  bootloader.bin  recovery.img  system.img  system.img1  transformer.bct  uboot-part.img  ubuntu.img  userdata.img


[04:01] <Scroll_Tro0L> Ello folks, anyone around?
[04:05] <blahdeblah> Scroll_Tro0L: A few people; ask your question(s) and hang around to see who answers :-)
[04:15] <Scroll_Tro0L> Okie dokes. So I got MAAS working after a year. Got 2 nodes up and running. And now I have no idea what I'
[04:16] <Scroll_Tro0L> what I'm supposed to be doing next*
[04:16] <Scroll_Tro0L> How do I start deploying VMs and stuff on it? Do I need to do Juju?
[05:27] <user_6321> allah is doing
[05:28] <user_6321> sun is not doing allah is doing
[05:28] <user_6321> moon is not doing allah is doing
[05:28] <user_6321> stars are not doing allah is doing
[05:28] <blahdeblah> !ops
[05:28] <user_6321> planets are not doing allah is doing
[05:29] <user_6321> galaxies are not doing allah is doing
[05:29] <user_6321> oceans are not doing allah is doing
[05:29] <user_6321> mountains are not doing allah is doing
[05:29] <user_6321> trees are not doing allah is doing
[05:30] <user_6321> mom is not doing allah is doing
[05:30] <user_6321> dad is not doing allah is doing
[05:30] <user_6321> boss is not doing allah is doing
[05:30] <user_6321> job is not doing allah is doing
[05:30] <user_6321> dollar is not doing allah is doing
[05:31] <user_6321> degree is not doing allah is doing
[05:31] <user_6321> medicine is not doing allah is doing
[05:31] <user_6321> customers are not doing allah is doing
[05:32] <user_6321> you can not get a job without the permission of allah
[05:32] <user_6321> you can not get married without the permission of allah
[05:33] <user_6321> nobody can get angry at you without the permission of allah
[05:33] <user_6321> light is not doing allah is doing
[05:33] <user_6321> fan is not doing allah is doing
[05:33] <user_6321> businessess are not doing allah is doing
[05:34] <user_6321> america is not doing allah is doing
[05:34] <user_6321> fire can not burn without the permission of allah
[05:35] <user_6321> knife can not cut without the permission of allah
[05:35] <user_6321> rulers are not doing allah is doing
[05:35] <user_6321> governments are not doing allah is doing
[05:35] <FAMAS> user_6321: the assertion of one's own version of creationist theory being correct and other versions of the creationist theory being incorrect is one that is controversial and as of now, unresolved
[05:35] <user_6321> sleep is not doing allah is doing
[05:36] <user_6321> hunger is not doing allah is doing
[05:36] <user_6321> food does not take away the hunger allah takes away the hunger
[05:37] <user_6321> water does not take away the thirst allah takes away the thirst
[05:37] <user_6321> seeing is not doing allah is doing
[05:37] <FAMAS> however, it is the individual's choice and preference to accept assertions by others for purposes of contemplation
[05:37] <user_6321> hearing is not doing allah is doing
[05:37] <blahdeblah> FAMAS: why feed the spammers?
[05:38] <user_6321> seasons are not doing allah is doing
[05:38] <user_6321> weather is not doing allah is doing
[05:38] <user_6321> humans are not doing allah is doing
[05:38] <user_6321> animals are not doing allah is doing
[05:38] <FAMAS> blahdeblah: it is not within personal awareness that personal actions by this user, referring to the self, is "feeding" the spammers as the user that is you, claiming
[05:39] <user_6321> the best amongst you are those who learn and teach quran
[05:39] <FAMAS> there is possibility of assertions and replies by others inspiring the spammer to stop and contemplate the actions
[05:39] <blahdeblah> another /ignore added
[05:39] <FAMAS> there is possibility of assertions and replies by others being ignored
[05:40] <user_6321> one letter read from book of allah amounts to one good deed and allah multiplies one good deed ten times
[05:41] <blahdeblah> Scroll_Tro0L: Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier; juju is the recommended way to deploy services on MAAS.
[05:41] <blahdeblah> Scroll_Tro0L: But you can also just use it as a machine installer add your ssh key to your user account in MAAS, then just acquire & start the node, and you should be able to log in with your key.
[05:41] <user_6321> hearts get rusted as does iron with water to remove rust from heart recitation of quran and rememberance of death
[05:42] <user_6321> heart is likened to a mirror
[05:42] <user_6321> when a person commits one sin a black dot sustains the heart
[05:43] <FAMAS> this user sends out gratitudes to blahdeblah for notifying of the existence of the maas framework, if the user has put this user on ignore, requesting others to pass the gratitude on
[05:44] <user_6321> to accept islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except allah and muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[05:45] <user_6321> read book fazaileamaal.com
[05:47] <user_6321> read book muntakhabahadith.com
[05:47] <user_6321> need spiritual teacher visit alhaadi.org.za
[05:47] <user_6321> allah created the sky without any pillars
[05:48] <FAMAS> user_6321: it is advised to check upon what is written here http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Qur%27an
[05:48] <user_6321> allah makes the sun rise from the east and sets it in the west
[05:48] <user_6321> allah makes the day into the night and the night into the day
[05:49] <user_6321> allah gives life and allah gives death
[05:49] <user_6321> all creation are useless,worthless,hopeless
[05:49] <user_6321> can not do
[05:50] <user_6321> can not benefit
[05:50] <user_6321> can not harm
[05:50] <user_6321> allah is the doer of each and everything
[05:50] <user_6321> when allah wants us to stand we stand
[05:51] <user_6321> when allah wants us to sit we sit
[05:56] <Scroll_Tro0L> blahdeblah: So once all the nodes are connected you're saying I can just use it as one giant ubuntu server?
[05:57] <blahdeblah> Scroll_Tro0L: no, Idefinitely
[05:57] <blahdeblah> I definitely didn't say that :-)
[05:58] <blahdeblah> Scroll_Tro0L: There are juju charms which allow you to deploy openstack, or you can try the landscape autopilot which does that for you, but I think it requires a minimum of 3 nodes.  (Don't quote me on that last part.)
[06:02] <Scroll_Tro0L> Okay, so I probably need to install and read up on juju then
[06:04] <blahdeblah> Scroll_Tro0L: It's worth having a look at landscape autopilot; it does the hard bits for you and automatically installs juju & juju GUI.
[06:04] <Scroll_Tro0L> Got it.  So even if the juju route is the next logical step I'm down to figure it out.
[07:51] <Scroll_Tro0L> Albiet overkill.
[07:51] <Scroll_Tro0L> albeit*
[07:53] <blahdeblah> Scroll_Tro0L: Well, juju is definitely the next logical step; you can definitely use it to just deploy a bunch of VMs, although it has a lot more power than that.
[07:53] <Scroll_Tro0L> Right, I sort of understand how it works.
[07:54] <Scroll_Tro0L> Like, for a website you take the different parts such as the DB, the backend, etc and split it up
[07:54] <Scroll_Tro0L> the storage server for the images
[07:54] <Scroll_Tro0L> So does juju make a separate VM for each of those functions?
[07:55] <blahdeblah> It can, or LXC containers
[07:55] <blahdeblah> Although, I don't think it has a native libvirt provider; I think it needs something openstacky in the middle.
[07:56] <blahdeblah> That's something to ask over in #juju
[07:56] <Scroll_Tro0L> Gotcha
[07:56] <blahdeblah> Some of the EU folks should be online now/soon
[07:56] <Scroll_Tro0L> So basically, I need to install juju now :P
[07:56] <Scroll_Tro0L> Awesome
[07:56] <Scroll_Tro0L> I should really be headed to bed asap though so I'll snag em tomorrow
[07:56] <Scroll_Tro0L> on a proper IRC client xD
[07:57] <Scroll_Tro0L> My first real project is going to be a NAS
[07:57] <Scroll_Tro0L> For something as simple as that I'd need multiple charms?
[07:58] <blahdeblah> Depends how flexible you want to make it, and whether you're going to write it yourself or plug together someone else's stuff
[07:59] <Scroll_Tro0L> Prolly use something like freenas
[07:59] <Scroll_Tro0L> not guna reinvent the wheel
[07:59] <Scroll_Tro0L> Don't have the credentials for that yet :P
[08:00] <Scroll_Tro0L> But for something like, as you said earlier, I could simply have juju give me a VM that I can call whatever and just dedicate 100% to the NAS
[08:03] <blahdeblah> I don't think so; I think you need to put it in a bare metal MAAS box, or an LXC container in a MAAS box.
[08:03] <blahdeblah> But you might be able to hack the local KVM provider into something usable: https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/config-local
[08:03] <blahdeblah> (See the list at the side for the various providers supported.)
[08:03] <blahdeblah> Scroll_Tro0L: And really, this is best asked in #juju. :-)
[08:05] <Scroll_Tro0L> Okay fasho, thanks!
[08:05] <Scroll_Tro0L> One last totaly random question
[08:05] <Scroll_Tro0L> Atm the ssh key I'm using is my person one, should I make another one for maas?
[08:05] <Scroll_Tro0L> personal*
[08:07] <blahdeblah> That's really up to you; only your public key is installed on the system, so it's not exposing anything (assuming you're not using agent forwarding).
[08:12] <Scroll_Tro0L> Okay perfect. Thanks for everything!
[08:41] <mup> Bug #1533103 opened: [packaging] dbconfig-pgsql <MAAS:New for andreserl> <MAAS 1.10:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533103>
[08:44] <mup> Bug #1533103 changed: [packaging] dbconfig-pgsql <MAAS:New for andreserl> <MAAS 1.10:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533103>
[08:50] <mup> Bug #1533103 opened: [packaging] dbconfig-pgsql <MAAS:New for andreserl> <MAAS 1.10:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533103>
[08:56] <mup> Bug #1533107 opened: qa-lab-tests need python3 support <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533107>
[09:05] <BlackDex> Hello, i have created a custom image which i want to upload to MAAS. But when i try to upload it from my own laptop to the MAAS node it doesn't work. I get a response that "The proxy server could not handle the request" "Error reading from remote server".
[09:06] <BlackDex> What am i doing wrong? Or are there some settings that need to be tweaked?
[09:06] <BlackDex> The image is about 1.2GB large :)
[09:08] <mup> Bug #1533107 changed: qa-lab-tests need python3 support <MAAS:Confirmed for rbanffy> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533107>
[09:11] <mup> Bug #1533107 opened: qa-lab-tests need python3 support <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533107>
[13:27] <aaronmehar> what kind of magic is this! This looks awesome.. definitely going to try this
[15:03] <mup> Bug #1533229 opened: 1.9 wily arm64 root-image fails to deploy on EFI system <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533229>
[18:38] <caturday> ugh
[18:39] <caturday> it looks like maas is just ignoring my curtin_userdata_ubuntu file
[18:39] <caturday> near as i can tell, it pulls curtin and curtin_userdata, but doesn't go any further than that
[21:33] <maas_user> hi
[21:34] <maas_user> i am trying to install maas. can some one help me with configuring IPMI. And what does BMC do?
[21:37] <maas_user> ANYONE ON?


[00:02] <steph_> Can I rm initrd.img.old and vmlinuz.old from / ?
[00:02] <crimsun> those should be mere symlinks.
[00:03] <crimsun> so, yes, if you really wish to.  If you use GRUB (which one does by default), you can use tabbed path-completion at the GRUB prompt anyhow.
[00:04] <steph_> what is the link between these files and GRUB ?
[00:05] <crimsun> those symlinks point to their respective files in /boot
[00:05] <crimsun> they only exist if you either 1) install another Debianised linux package using dpkg, or 2) create them manually
[00:06] <crimsun> GRUB is the default boot loader, and its configuration file uses those symlinks.  Those entries normally point to the second set of linux images.
[00:08] <steph_> Is the second set a "kind of emergency files" ?
[00:09] <crimsun> yes, the entries point to the older, previously installed linux set.
[00:09] <crimsun> i.e., "backup"
[00:10] <steph_> Did GRUB will automaticaly switch to it in case of a bad luck ?
[00:11] <crimsun> no.
[00:11] <steph_> I did a updated from 7.04 to 7.10. And there is now a initrd.img -2.6.20-16,  initrd.img -2.6.20-14 and initrd.img -2.6.20-16.bak.
[00:11] <crimsun> yes, that's correct.
[00:12] <steph_> I just want to understand what's "under the hood"
[00:12] <crimsun> what would you like me to explain regarding those three files specifically?
[00:14] <steph_> I just started to explore files and folders from / . Now I have to read http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ ;)
[00:15] <steph_> Do I have to keep the old one (initrd.img -2.6.20-14 and initrd.img -2.6.20-16.bak) ?
[00:16] <steph_> I thought there was "cleaning" after an upgrade...
[00:18] <crimsun> 2.6.20-16 is a newer package than 2.6.20-14.  There are numerous security errata applied.
[00:18] <johnny> you want to understand what's under the hood, read the linuxfromscratch howto :)
[00:18] <steph_> where???
[00:18] <johnny> then you'll really understand :)
[00:18] <johnny> web search it
[00:18] <crimsun> You may choose to remove the 2.6.20-14 linux packages if 2.6.20-16 does not introduce any regressions.
[00:18] <steph_> web ?? (I'm jocking)
[00:18] <crimsun> I do not recommend removing the backup initramfs image /ever/.
[00:18] <johnny> i don't say "google it" anymore...
[00:19] <johnny> i use other search engines too afterall
[00:20] <steph_> Is it the right channel to LEARN BY QUESTIONS, or am I to boring ?
[00:21] <johnny> well you should learn by reading first
[00:21] <johnny> and then ask questions
[00:22] <steph_> Thanks. Humility is the path to knowledge...
[00:22] <johnny> this prolly isn't the right channel .. but i don't know what would be the best for that
[00:22] <johnny> except for #gnulinux101 (sadly it doesn't exist)
[00:23] <johnny> i'm always willing to help folks learn stuff when i have time.. unless they are going to work with me on open source projects
[00:23] <johnny> then i spend all sorts of time :)
[00:23] <steph_> see you soon.
[03:08] <steph_> We have 15 old PII 400 with 512MB RAM, including hard drive, that we wanted to recycle at school.
[03:09] <steph_> What would be the best? A powerful server with LSTP and light clients or a medium server with heavy clients and LDAP and MySQL?
[10:15] <MasterOne> Damned, just recently I found a link to an edu-something site, which had the recent version of libflashsupport as a .deb package, but I am unable to find that site again. The version from vdbonline.net is over 1 year old, and a recent version is supposed to operate more stable. Anyone seen the site I mean?
[13:00] <Joris_> some of my LTSP clients don't start their Xserver anymore since updating the server to gutsy
[13:01] <Joris_> locally X works with the i810 driver - I tried changing it to 'intel'
[13:02] <Joris_> after the boot process, the system stops with blinking a '-' in the upper left corner  of the display
[13:03] <Bauer|> Ctrl-Alt-F1 - is there any error-message?
[13:04] <Joris_> nope, just the login prompt
[13:05] <Joris_> I don't know where to look for logs :/
[13:06] <Bauer|> /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[13:06] <ogra> Joris_, some intel cards try to forcefully run at 32bt colordepth but aret capable of that ...
[13:06] <ogra> try X_COLOR_DEPTH=24 for them
[13:06] <Joris_> ogra: tried that too, sorry :/
[13:06] <Joris_> Bauer|: that's on the server?
[13:07] <Joris_> Bauer|: I mean LTSP server, xorg client
[13:08] <Joris_> ogra: 16bit even
[13:08] <Bauer|> I am thinking the client
[13:09] <Joris_> how would I login into it?
[13:11] <Bauer|> now thats a good question :p i don't know :p i would think ogra knows?
[13:11] <ogra> define SHELL_07=ldm  SHELL_02=shell
[13:11] <ogra> that spawns a shell on tty2
[13:11] <Joris_> in lts.conf ?
[13:11] <ogra> ad keeps to try to configure and start X on tty7
[13:11] <ogra> yep
[13:14] <Joris_> [00:02:A5:23:FA:85]
[13:14] <Joris_> SHELL_07=ldm
[13:14] <Joris_> SHELL_02=shell
[13:15] <Joris_> is that correct? it appears not to work
[13:20] <ogra> thats correct
[13:20] <ogra> should work
[13:21] <Joris_> doesn't... login on tty1, failed X on 7
[13:22] <ogra> tty2
[13:22] <ogra> ?
[13:23] <Joris_> ctl+alt+f2
[13:23] <Joris_> err
[13:23] <ogra> yep
[13:23] <ogra> there should be a rootshell running
[13:23] <Joris_> 1, 2, 3 are empty
[13:23] <ogra> then yur lts.conf isnt read or the MAC is wrong
[13:24] <Joris_> hmm, mac = copypaste, so that should be ok
[13:25] <Joris_> if lts.conf isn't read that could explain wy setting the xserver or colordepth doesn't solve anything
[13:25] <ogra> does your lts.conf lie in the path thats defined in the filename directive in your dhcpd.conf ?
[13:25] <ogra> thats where it should reside
[13:26] <Bauer|> you do upgrade you image after editing lts.conf?
[13:26] <Joris_> Bauer|: no, I didn't' - should I?
[13:27] <Bauer|> i have to rebuild my image after editing lts.conf
[13:27] <Joris_> ogra: no, it doesn't: option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386" and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[13:27] <ogra> Bauer|, not if you have your lts.conf in the right path
[13:28] <ogra> Joris_, "filename" not root-path
[13:28] <ogra> root-path isnt used at all in gutsy ltsp
[13:28] <ogra> (only there for backwards compatibility)
[13:29] <Joris_> tought so, it's commented in that file there :)
[13:29] <Joris_> filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"; and filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";, so it should be ok?
[13:30] <ogra> right
[13:32] <ogra> hmm, thats strange
[13:33] <Joris_> trying with inotify o the file
[13:33] <ogra> you didntput links into that folder or something i suppos
[13:33] <ogra> e
[13:33] <ogra> (tftp isnt capable of following links ... )
[13:33] <Joris_> I did, to figure out another problem - but removed them again
[13:33] <ogra> (especially not outside its own root (/var/lib/tftpboot/))
[13:35] <Joris_> according to inotify, my lts.conf is not being read :s
[13:36] <Joris_> (iwatch -e access  /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf does not register any reads-
[13:37] <Joris_> in.tftpd[1240]: RRQ from <IP_ADDRESS> filename /lts.conf
[13:38] <Joris_>  in.tftpd[1240]: sending NAK (1, File not found) to <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:39] <Joris_> something is really really wrong
[13:40] <Joris_> without changing anything, the client now does request the lts.conf
[13:40] <Joris_> and is now unresponsive, blinking with the caps and scroll lock
[13:41] <Joris_> maybe it's better to reinstall the server completely
[13:42] <Joris_> (screen hangs on kubuntu progress bar btw)
[13:42] <ogra> its missing the path
[13:42] <ogra> filename /lts.conf must be filename /ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[13:43] <ogra> are you sure the dhcpd you configure is actually used ?
[13:43] <Joris_> good question
[13:43] <ogra> paste your config to a pastebin
[13:47] <Joris_> http://pastebin.com/m67a7298b
[13:48] <ogra> and your tftp line in inted.conf has "-s /var/lib/tftpboot" at the end ?
[13:48] <Joris_> yes, can you refresh that url?
[13:49] <Joris_> open http://pastebin.com/m54c93530 rather :)
[13:49] <ogra> whats pxelinux.0\377 ??
[13:49] <ogra> thats broken
[13:50] <ogra> also: ls -la /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp would be intersting
[13:50] <Joris_> I tried copying the file because some clients request that
[13:50] <ogra> no, thats an internal code of PXE
[13:51] <Joris_> ah, oh :/
[13:51] <Joris_> that's also giving me problems...
[13:51] <ogra> show me ls -la /var/lib/tftpboot and ls -la /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
[13:52] <Joris_> http://pastebin.com/m1284b79b
[13:52] <Joris_> (staring on line 54)
[13:53] <ogra> yeah, nothing suspicious
[13:53] <ogra> make a backup of your lts.conf, wipe the i386 dir and run: sudo ltsp-update-kernels
[13:53] <ogra> then copy the lts.conf back
[13:53] <ogra> that should clean up anything you could have broken
[13:55] <Joris_> ok :D
[13:56] <Joris_> boots without the caps/scroll blink again, but still no xserver
[13:56] <ogra> shell ?
[13:56] <Joris_> neither :(
[13:57] <ogra> why did you put the |uniq in the lts.conf part ?
[13:57] <Joris_> whitespace
[13:58] <ogra> ergh
[13:58] <Joris_> there are no double entries of any kind I think
[13:58] <ogra> sillyness
[13:58]  * ogra headdesks ...
[13:59] <ogra> s/SHELL/SCREEN/
[13:59] <Joris_> ouch :D
[13:59] <ogra> blind me
[13:59] <Joris_> great
[14:00] <ogra> you can drop SOUND,LOCALDEV and SYLOG_HOST ther are set by default to these values
[14:00] <ogra> *they
[14:03] <Joris_> ughm
[14:03] <Joris_> [00:02:A5:23:FA:85]
[14:03] <Joris_> SCREEN_07=ldm
[14:03] <Joris_> SCREEN_02=shell
[14:03] <Joris_> right?
[14:03] <ogra> yeah
[14:03] <Joris_> doesn't work :/
[14:04] <Joris_> but the file is requested, according to inode
[14:04] <ogra> did it fix your PXE error on the other terminals ?
[14:05] <Joris_> nope, no idea how
[14:05] <ogra> any info in the logs ?
[14:06] <ogra> with your triple -v you should see everthing tftpd does
[14:07] <Joris_> just the not found \337
[14:08] <Joris_> RRQ from <IP_ADDRESS> filename /ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0\377  -> NAK
[14:08] <ogra> your is clean now btw ?
[14:08] <ogra> err
[14:08] <ogra> your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
[14:08] <Joris_> I think so
[14:08] <Joris_> I ran the kernel update thing
[14:09] <ogra> whats boot ??
[14:09] <ogra> thats shouldnt be there
[14:09] <Joris_> a symlink to .
[14:09] <Joris_> did I break that too? :(
[14:09] <ogra> but you just wiped that dir
[14:09] <ogra> how can it be there again
[14:10] <Joris_> I don't know
[14:10] <ogra> there should only be three links (vmlinuz, initrd.img and nbi.img)
[14:10] <Joris_> manually removed it, ltsp-update-kernels and now itt's gone
[14:10] <ogra> and one subdir pxelinux.cfg
[14:10] <Joris_> http://pastebin.com/m54c83221
[14:11] <Joris_> no pxelinux.0?
[14:11] <ogra> sure
[14:11] <ogra> the dir looks good now
[14:12] <Joris_> I'll retry
[14:12] <Joris_> what's wrong with that /ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0\377?
[14:13] <Joris_> client boots, but no X and no shell
[14:13] <ogra> well, i wonder how you get the boot in there
[14:13] <ogra> it shouldnt be there
[14:14] <ogra> something is really wonky, either in your chroot or with the setup of your server
[14:14] <Joris_> and NO /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf read!!?!
[14:14] <Joris_> pfff
[14:14] <Joris_> I think something went really wrong with the gutsy upgrade of this machine
[14:14] <ogra> you are not running another dhcpd in your network or so ?
[14:15] <Joris_> yes, but it is pointing to me as it's next-file
[14:15] <Joris_> next-server
[14:15] <ogra> upgrade ?
[14:15] <Joris_> or something
[14:15] <ogra> but you rebuilt the chroot as advised i hope
[14:15] <Joris_> it was a 6.06/7.07 and updated it to 7.10
[14:15] <Joris_> certainly, I rebuilt the chroot
[14:17] <ogra> hmm
[14:17] <ogra> do you have any other tftpd running ?
[14:17] <Joris_> on the network? not sure, but not on this server
[14:17] <ogra> ok
[14:18] <ogra> how does your /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default look like ?
[14:18] <ogra> (paste here, should be one line)
[14:18] <Joris_> root@dotkomserver:~# cat /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default
[14:18] <Joris_> DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash
[14:18] <ogra> looks fine
[14:19] <ogra> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default has the same content i suppose
[14:19] <Joris_> identical
[14:21] <ogra> i really dont understand how it gets the boot in there :/
[14:21] <Joris_> it could be I did it, but I don't tremember
[14:22] <Joris_> ogra: I can reinstall the server :?
[14:22] <Joris_> directly from 7.10
[14:22] <ogra> yes, but i'dlike to find the cause :)
[14:23] <mcfloppy_> is there a way to run ltsp 4.1 and 5.0 together?
[14:24] <mcfloppy_> cause i need ltsp 4.1 for my netvista devices and the other pcs from the system running under 5.0
[14:24] <ogra> mcfloppy_, there surely is, but i bet its a lot work to set up the servers right
[14:24] <Joris_> ogra: I'd be more than happy to dig further into this, but:
[14:24] <Joris_> not today, I have to get going
[14:25] <Joris_> and also: they are depending on me getting a lot of clients functional, I don't know how long the current situation can persist
[14:25] <ogra> dpkg -l ltsp-server ?
[14:26] <Joris_> it's installed
[14:26] <ogra> and chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l ltsp-client-core
[14:26] <Joris_> 138 files
[14:26] <ogra> i want to compare te versions :)
[14:26] <mcfloppy_> ogra hmm kay,
[14:26] <mcfloppy_> what would you do?
[14:27] <Joris_> http://pastebin.com/m741771bf
[14:27] <ogra> mcfloppy_, well most easy would be to have two different networks (a NIC each) for the different implementations and direct either to different files in the dhcpd.conf
[14:28] <ogra> Joris_, ok
[14:28] <mcfloppy_> orga du sprichst doch deutsch, oder?
[14:28] <ogra> if oyu start splitting on a higher level it gets more tricky
[14:28] <ogra> mcfloppy_, jup
[14:28] <Joris_> ogra: you can email me at my nickname @v5.be... I'll come back to this channel to haunt you some more later
[14:28] <mcfloppy_> ogra bitte lass uns das in deutsch klären...
[14:28] <mcfloppy_> query oder so
[14:29] <ogra> #edubuntu-de :)
[14:29] <Joris_> ogra: thanks and have a nice weekend
[14:29] <ogra> ciao
[15:26] <bddebian> Heya
[22:32] <lns>  Is there a grub boot option in Ubuntu/Edubuntu Gutsy to boot the server kernel directly? I need this for correct hardware detection for my Proliant servers...
[22:33] <lns> as in, from the live/install cd


[20:34] <Viking667> Specs?
[20:34] <Ridley5> anyone can help me to install propriatary driver for my graphic card please
[20:34] <Traump> Viking667 in sound settings. You can set default output
[20:34] <Viking667> Traump: yes, and when I do that, the sound device changes. On a reboot, it gets reset back to the headphones.
[20:34] <Viking667> That's the issue I'm trying to sort.
[20:35] <Trident_Barclay> Traump it boots with csm of. now  trying csm on  from a shutdown not a restart.  if that makes a difference
[20:36] <Trident_Barclay> Traump it seems to boot from both exactly the same
[20:37] <Traump> Ridley5 you have AMD Nvidia or Intel GPU
[20:37] <Traump> Trident_barclay you saved bios before rebooting
[20:38] <Ridley5> thanks for the reply Traump, i have Intel GPU, and this occur only with web browser
[20:39] <Ridley5> my pc is tool old it's a Toshiba L350
[20:39] <Trident_Barclay> Traump yea it is the same both ways
[20:39] <Ridley5> but the same youtube video play ok, with normal cpy use with mps-youtube
[20:39] <Ridley5> *cpu
[20:39] <Viking667> Ridley5: which browser?
[20:39] <Traump> Try open up setting. Select hardware. Install proprietary hardware should be an option.
[20:39] <Trident_Barclay> Traump so you think its safer to install ubntu with csm on or off?  since we dont know whats best, maybe we can choose the 'safest' option
[20:40] <Ridley5> i trated FIrefox Quantum 61 and Chromium Traump
[20:40] <Ridley5> *trayed
[20:40] <Traump> Trident_barclay I never heard of an installed Windows booting both uefi on and off
[20:41] <Viking667> So, both those you tried. I think the web browser is not good at playing youtube videos, I see the same on my 2008-era machine.
[20:41] <Trident_Barclay> Traump i dont know waht csm is, but it boots both ways
[20:41] <Viking667> Ridley5: What resolution are you choosing for your video? And what resolution's your screen set to?
[20:41] <Ridley5> the terminal player mps-youtube is very good but less fonctionnality
[20:42] <Ridley5> 1920*1080 it's an external screen on vga port
[20:43] <Viking667> That's your reason.
[20:43] <Ridley5> oh !
[20:43] <Traump> Ridley667 just go in settings. Look for other hardware. Then choose install proprietary hardware
[20:43] <Viking667> Your screen's normally 1440x900 if you were using the laptop
[20:43] <Ridley5> the intenral screen is brocken and i removed it completely from my laptop
[20:43] <Viking667> But yes, what Traump says is correct.
[20:44] <Trident_Barclay> Traump well im using the'something else' option to install on to my free partition.  lets see if it screws everything up or not
[20:44] <Ridley5> so i must buy  a new one
[20:44] <Ridley5> thanks Viking667 & Traump :)
[20:44] <Viking667> No, but you might have to think smarter about what screen resolution you use
[20:44] <what> dfsdfsfsf
[20:45] <Viking667> Ridley5: try 720p videos instead of 1080p
[20:45] <Guest85413> you knew about usb transiention ?
[20:45] <Viking667> Those should still be crisp enough on a 1080p screen to not really notice. Heck, it's youtube.
[20:46] <Ridley5> the problem is that with mps-youtube i can play normally with no higher cpu use
[20:46] <Traump> Ridley5 what does vdpauinfo show in the terminal
[20:47] <Ridley5> display: :0.0   screen: 0 Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_i965.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:49] <GrandPa-G> Does anyone know where I can get help on bluetooth, in particular PAN?
[20:50] <Trident_Barclay> It worked!
[20:50] <massive> does anyone know where I could find information on usb communication? thanks to all those present
[20:50] <DeHackEd> is there an up-to-date version of instructions on doing a debootstrap of, say, 18.04? install fails shortly after downloading a bunch of .deb files and my chroot dir has nothing useful in it beyond debootstrap's own logs and the .debs
[20:51] <Trident_Barclay> Traump  It worked !  same boot up screen, both os options appear
[20:52] <thebope> congrats Trident_Barclay!
[20:52] <thebope> That sounded difficult
[20:52] <thebope> I don't remember having so much difficulties when I set my Mac up to dual boot
[20:52] <Traump> Ridley5 how about vainfo
[20:53] <Trident_Barclay> Phew.  im really gratefull for the step by step help.  i get lost in links and text, i dont know which way to turn.  its awseome to have ubuntu and windows 10 on my ssd now.  Thanks very much
[20:54] <Traump> Ridley5 try vainfo
[20:54] <Ridley5> vainfo: Driver version: Intel i965 driver for Intel(R) GM45 Express Chipset - 1.7.0
[20:54] <Ridley5> vainfo: Supported profile and entrypoints
[20:54] <Ridley5>       VAProfileMPEG2Simple            :    VAEntrypointVLD
[20:54] <Ridley5>       VAProfileMPEG2Main              :    VAEntrypointVLD
[20:55] <Traump> Ridley5 when you installed. Did you select third party software
[20:55] <Ridley5>  i dont remember Traump sorry
[20:59] <samcoldham1> anyone know how to change nickname priorty when irc server connects
[20:59] <Trident_Barclay> oh, just saw some insulting pm from traump  why do that ?
[20:59] <B4daBing73> Hello guys
[21:00] <massive> hello B4 i'm skyflyer
[21:00] <B4daBing73> I just installed Ubuntu 18.04 on my laptop... Strange thing is that it will only boot into grub mode (command line). Any idea how to fix this?
[21:04] <thebope> Trident_Barclay: It's not all flowers and daisies on the internet, maybe just be happy you got what you needed ;-)
[21:05] <Trident_Barclay> thebope  lol true.  he called me a punk and a bum in pm for some reason.  then proceeded to help me lol.  i didnt see it til now.   odd guy
[21:05] <thebope> lol
[21:05] <thebope> kinda funny, seems to know a lot about ubuntu though
[21:06]  * Viking667 departs
[21:06] <Trident_Barclay> yea  even smart guys can be nasty lol
[21:10] <samcoldham1> is there a custom firmware from ubuntu for routers
[21:43] <data09>  "Release file for http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-backports/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 5h 33min 8s). Updates for this repository will not be applied."  time is set correctly to UTC. any ideas?
[21:44] <data09> tried diff repo. didnt work
[21:45] <tomreyn> data09: time is set to utc, but is the time correct, too?
[21:46] <data09> tomreyn, yes
[21:46] <tomreyn> the file at the given URL states "Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 21:13:27 UTC", which is in the past
[21:47] <tomreyn> and apt update was shipped today, i think, maybe it fixes a related issue.
[21:48] <tomreyn> can we see "date" and "date -u" from this system?
[21:48] <data09> ok
[21:49] <data09> Mon Jul  9 09:47:15 MDT 2018
[21:49] <MysticReverie> How to install veracrypt ?  it snot coming up in software center.  do i have t oenable something to get more search results ?
[21:49] <data09> Mon Jul  9 15:48:49 UTC 2018
[21:50] <tomreyn> data09: so that's wrong. i dont know about your local time but the UTC time is wrong.
[21:50] <hggdh> data09: right now it is around 21:51 UTC
[21:51] <data09> tomreyn, im not sure wat to do
[21:51] <tomreyn> data09: set the correct timezone and make sure you have a time synchronization daemon (chrony or ntp) installed and running properly.
[21:52] <data09> ok
[21:52] <tomreyn> i think there is timezonectl for the former task
[21:52] <tomreyn> timedatectl
[21:53] <MysticReverie> https://askubuntu.com/questions/929195/recommended-way-to-use-veracrypt-in-ubuntu
[21:53] <MysticReverie> im using the command lines there to install veracrypt,  but it wont work
[21:54] <tomreyn> data09: if this is a multi boot system with windows, make sure you modify the windows registry so that it doesn't set the hardware clock to your local timezone, but keeps it at UTC.
[21:54] <MysticReverie> a few errors.  maybes its out of date.  and new idea please?
[21:54] <data09> tomreyn, it is dual boot. win set to utc
[21:54] <tomreyn> MysticReverie: why do you want to use veracrypt in the first place. do you need to open containers created on a different OS with it?
[21:55] <MysticReverie> i used it before, and that is what my encrypoted folder was made with it seems to work well also.  but how to install ?
[21:55] <tomreyn> data09: okay, but your UTC time is off, so make sure you set it correctly.
[21:56] <tomreyn> MysticReverie: whats your ubuntu version? lsb_release -ds
[21:56] <MysticReverie> its ubuntu 18.04.  the newest i think.  maybe i have to enable third part or some other software option for vera to appear in software center, i cant remember how i did it before
[21:57] <data09> Current default time zone: 'Etc/UTC'
[21:57] <data09> Local time is now:      Mon Jul  9 15:55:28 UTC 2018.
[21:57] <data09> Universal Time is now:  Mon Jul  9 15:55:28 UTC 2018.
[21:58] <hggdh> still wrong
[21:58] <tomreyn> MysticReverie: this PPA is listed on a couple websites and provides a veracrypt build for 18.04 from march this year: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/encryption?field.series_filter=bionic
[21:58] <data09> doesnt happen on 16.04
[21:58] <tomreyn> !ppa | MysticReverie
[21:58] <tomreyn> ^ read this WARNING
[21:59] <MysticReverie> well it seemed to work ok before
[22:00] <hggdh> MysticReverie: it very well may owrk perfectly. It is just not supported
[22:00] <MysticReverie> is  that dengerous ?
[22:01] <Paulser> Quick question I understand Ubuntu collects data about my system to review stuff. I want to grab that data to help support issues I submit on github. where is this text file.
[22:01] <hggdh> MysticReverie: <shrug/> it all depends on who built the PPA, and how trustful they are
[22:01] <MysticReverie> i installed thos etwo lines in to the terminal.,  but i dont think vercrypt is installed still
[22:01] <MysticReverie> do i have to do something else ?
[22:01] <confluency> Yes, you need to install the package.
[22:02] <MysticReverie> i dont know how to do that without a gui
[22:02] <confluency> Then use the GUI.
[22:02] <MysticReverie> its not available in software center
[22:02] <confluency> Did you check after you added the PPA?
[22:02] <MysticReverie> i dont know.  i just put in the two lines from the link
[22:02] <MysticReverie> i dont understand it much
[22:03] <confluency> You probably shouldn't copy and paste instructions without understanding what they do.
[22:03] <tomreyn> MysticReverie: i think software center has a small icon to the top right where you can update it
[22:03] <confluency> You have added a third-party repository.
[22:03] <MysticReverie> i have not much choice.  people cant guide me here 24/7
[22:03] <confluency> Now you need to install the package. Either in the GUI or on the commandline.
[22:03] <MysticReverie> ok. i will try to look
[22:03] <DalekSec> IIRC, that package doesn't have an appdata file, so not sure Software Center will find it.
[22:04] <tomreyn> actually, click on updates, then top left
[22:04] <tomreyn> okay then you'd need to install synaptic, a graphical package manager for apt.
[22:04] <MysticReverie> its uodated bubt still cant see vera there
[22:04] <confluency> Or install the package on the commandline.
[22:04] <tomreyn> (or start using a temrinal)
[22:04] <confluency> For that you need to know the package name.
[22:05] <tomreyn> !terminal | MysticReverie
[22:05] <MysticReverie> id rather avoid terminal as much as possible if i can
[22:05] <confluency> Why?
[22:05] <MysticReverie> i dont like it
[22:05] <MysticReverie> its very difficult
[22:05] <confluency> If you never use it because you keep avoiding it, you will never learn it, and it will always seem difficult.
[22:06] <MysticReverie> i dont want to learn it., its too much study.,  i use it when people tell me what to paste in it. otherwise i dont much
[22:06] <MysticReverie> i was told i wont need to use terminal much anyway if i use ubuntu ?
 okay then you'd need to install synaptic, a graphical package manager for apt.
[22:06] <MysticReverie> ok, thanks
[22:07] <confluency> Well, if you look at that PPA page, it looks like the veracrypt package is called veracrypt. So you can install it by typing sudo apt install veracrypt.
[22:07] <confluency> Assuming that you have already done an apt update, it should find it.
[22:07] <MysticReverie> it sinstalling thanks
[22:08] <MysticReverie> is it worth installing synaptic package also ? for future use?
[22:08] <confluency> You can do most common tasks in Ubuntu without using the terminal, but that doesn't mean that it's efficient to do all those tasks without the terminal. And there are some uncommon things there just aren't GUIs for.
[22:08] <confluency> I don't know; I only use apt on the commandline.
[22:09] <MysticReverie> that fine if you enjoy learning terminal stuff, and have lots of time on your hands,  but its not for me
[22:09] <confluency> I don't have lots of time on my hands; that's why I use the terminal for a lot of things. It's more efficient.
[22:09] <data09> tomreyn, nothing is working. i tried ntpdate to update time
[22:09] <DalekSec> synaptic isn't quite as user friendly, but Software Center really isn't good at finding things.
[22:09] <blkadder> "Terminal stuff."
[22:10] <MysticReverie> it takes too long to learn and i hav eno interest in it
[22:10] <confluency> Look, you do you, but avoiding the terminal is like avoiding driving. As long as you're within walking distance of everything you need, or near good public transport, you're fine -- but sometimes you're going to have a transportation problem.
[22:10] <MysticReverie> cxna u stoio forcing me into terminal please?
[22:10] <p0a> Hello I messed around with my ssl cert files (deleted them) and now I can't use wget (say wget https://google.com/), how can I fix this?
[22:10] <MysticReverie> stop*
[22:11] <Toadisattva> by the time you go to the software center, install synaptic, add the ppa, reload it to update, find the package and install it, you done coulda installed via command line and made a nice cup of tea :P
[22:11] <MysticReverie> i dont like it and dont want to learn it
[22:11] <confluency> I'm not forcing you to do anything.
[22:11] <blkadder> Mmm. Tea.
[22:11] <MysticReverie> i jus tfind it too hard and frustrating. end of story
[22:11] <confluency> I'm answering your question about how much you're likely to need the terminal in Ubuntu.
[22:11] <Paulser> I think it fine to avoid the terminal but I do use it myself. I do understand you do not want to use a terminal.
[22:11] <MysticReverie> i dont use computers to study them. just use the mas easily as possible
[22:12] <blkadder> If you expect to be able to do everything you need to via a GUI you're likely to be disappointed.
[22:12] <tomreyn> data09: use chrony or ntp(d), not ntpdate.
[22:12] <blkadder> Or frustrated.
[22:12] <p0a> MysticReverie: the easiest way is to hire someone to do it for you
[22:12] <MysticReverie> the npeople should stop telling me linux can be used almost with never goin in terminal
[22:12] <confluency> You're attributing motivations to other people that they don't have. I don't "study" computers either.
[22:12] <MysticReverie>  a lie then i guess ?
[22:12] <blkadder> An exaggeration.
[22:12] <MysticReverie> jus tdrop it. i dont like studying terminal commands.,  thats it
[22:12] <blkadder> Depends on what you need to do.
[22:13] <p0a> MysticReverie: What was it you were trying to do ?
[22:13] <tomreyn> data09: and while having time synchronization working is important, i'm not convinced this is going to solve what seems to be an incorrect timezone configuration on this system.
[22:13] <DalekSec> p0a: Do you remember what you did
[22:13] <DalekSec> ?  You may be able to just dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates
[22:14] <MysticReverie> p0a  im ok thanks.  jus tgetting things sorted out on my new installation.  just saying i dont like terminal much
[22:14] <p0a> DalekSec: I remember that the software I installed included ca-certificates-mono which installed 148 new certs; I deleted a file that had 148 lines
[22:15] <Viking667> weird. I poked system files, but user files don't want to match what the system suggests.
[22:15] <Viking667> 64-bit Ubuntu 18.04, USB headphones, and default speakers.
[22:16] <Viking667> System always chooses the headphones as default when a user logs in, even when the system default is set to use the speakers (/etc/pulse/default.pa)
[22:17] <Sven_vB> I added a wifi connection in addition to my ethernet and now whenever my wifi AP becomes visible (or goes away, not entirely sure), my computer forgets its default gateway. any ideas? both networks have config files in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections, both configured for IPv4 only, ethernet has a line like "address1=<IP_ADDRESS>/24,<IP_ADDRESS>", wifi has a line like "address1=<IP_ADDRESS>/24,<IP_ADDRESS>", so usually I'd expect to
[22:17] <Sven_vB> see both gateways in "route -n" after I restart network manager.
[22:17] <Viking667> So, aside from unplugging the headphones (which have a microphone device attached), what else should I look at? I've deleted the user's .config/pulse directory and promptly rebooted, but pulseaudio always defaults to those headphones for some reason.
[22:17] <Viking667> What's even weirder is that google chrome will use the speakers as its sound device.
[22:18] <Paulser> Veracrypt there a good video on youtube called Linux GUI encryption (2018) by Average Linux User
[22:18] <Paulser> if you still interested
[22:22] <Paulser> I got question anyone now where this Ubuntu 18.04 data collection file stored. I be interested in using it for support submissions on Github or forums etc?
[22:22] <p0a> DalekSec: I can't see google's cert with dpkg-reconfigure. Which one is it supposed to be?
[22:23] <p0a> DalekSec: `wget' complains about `CN=Google Internet Authority G3,O=Google Trust Services'
[22:25] <gaap>  /axp_ajuda
[22:31] <p0a> DalekSec: This worked for me: https://askubuntu.com/questions/420860/problem-with-certificates (the second option)
[22:31] <p0a> DalekSec: if you are interested
[22:31] <p0a> thanks a lot! bye
[22:37] <Paulser> Just incase anyone interested I decided to use Neofetch to get information for support forums.   It's called "Secure Boot chain-loading bootloader (Microsoft-signed binary)."  I just got away from Windows 10 because it b0rked itself repeatedly beyond repair, and now I'm getting Microsoft trash installed by Ubuntu updates?    Some kind of a joke?
[22:50] <Randolf> I want to get as far away from Microsoft as possible, and I was told that Linux is the way to go to do that.
[22:50] <Randolf> Everything that Microsoft touches gets screwed up.
[22:56] <Toadisattva> that's just linux bypassing microsofts crappy secure boot bios settings
[22:56] <Toadisattva> nothing to fear here move along netizen
[22:57] <Randolf> Funny, the Microsoft Apologists always say "pay no attention to the man behind the curtains."      Now that I'm on Linux I'm thinking "this is great, now Microsoft is out of my life and my computer actually works fast and reliably now."  And now I'm prompted by Ubuntu to bring the enemy back into my system?
[23:01] <ceibal> ceibsa
[23:01] <ceibal> ceibal
[23:04] <tomreyn> Randolf: read up on secureboot if you want to know what this is about
[23:05] <tomreyn> !secureboot
[23:05] <DeHackEd> is there an up-to-date version of instructions on doing a debootstrap of, say, 18.04? install attmpts fail shortly after downloading a bunch of .deb files and my chroot dir has nothing useful in it beyond debootstrap's own logs and the .debs
[23:05] <Randolf> I read this, which states that it's a "minimalist bootloader":  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+package/shim-signed
[23:06] <Randolf> tomreyn:  I don't understand why Microsoft's bootloader is needed at all since Linux boots itself just fine with GRUB.
[23:08] <tomreyn> thereis no "microsoft bootloader" involved. there is this minimalist bootloader shim involved, which carries an electronic signature on, which by itself carries an electronic signature by microsoft on it.
[23:09] <Randolf> Oh, it's just a signature in the crypto world?
[23:09] <tomreyn> maybe read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Secure_boot https://lwn.net/Articles/703001/ https://www.engadget.com/2013/02/11/linux-foundation-secure-boot/ https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-doesnt-want-you-to-install-linux-on-its-signature-pcs/
[23:09] <DeHackEd> well something has to be signed. but it has microsoft's signature on it which is what most BIOSs ship with by default to accept
[23:10] <Randolf> If so, then the update should be called "Secure Boot chain-loading bootloader signature (Microsoft-signed datafile)" instead.
[23:10] <tomreyn> Randolf: yes, it's just a signature,  without which computers which have their bios set to "secure boot" mode with default certificates will not boot.
[23:10] <Randolf> Thanks everyone.  I feel much better about this now.
[23:11] <Randolf> This update scared the hell out of me.
[23:12] <tomreyn> you probably have other software or 'code' by microsoft installed on your system, such as mstt core fonts.
[23:12] <Randolf> tomreyn:  Yeah, I'm aware of that.  The fonts don't seem to have any problems though.
[23:13] <xar-> DeHackEd: why are you debootstrap-ing :)
[23:13] <tomreyn> also your linux kernel probably has code from them
[23:13] <Randolf> tomreyn:  As long as it's not updating my settings automatically and not interfering with proper operations, then fine.
[23:13] <tomreyn> actually all of this is off-topic here (support channel only), we should talk in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:14] <Randolf> Thanks.
[23:14] <tomreyn> DeHackEd: which debootstrap version are you using, how did you download it? what is the output?
[23:15] <DeHackEd> xar-: because I intend to run it in a chroot
[23:18] <DeHackEd> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RQRQzg5cmj/
[23:18] <DeHackEd> host is centos 6 with some custom software (most notably a 4.9 kernel)
[23:20] <tomreyn> DeHackEd: and that's debootstrap from cosmis?
[23:20] <tomreyn> *cosmic
[23:20] <DeHackEd> tomreyn: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ from the .tar.gz at the bottom of this listing
[23:20] <tomreyn> or from the source code repository?
[23:21] <tomreyn> ok
[23:24] <tomreyn> DeHackEd: i have a vague idea that i read something about .xz support missing from one of the recent but not latest deboostrap versions
[23:24] <xar-> DeHackEd: why not a container?
[23:26] <DeHackEd> xar-: mainly because I intend to run Steam in it and that tends to not go so well when you restrict its view of hardware and sharing an X11 server
[23:26] <DeHackEd> (believe me, I tried)
[23:29] <tomreyn> my statement on deboostrap and xz support referred to 1.0.98, but you were using 1.0.106ubuntu1 so this is not an issue, or should not be. changeloig https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+changelog
[23:33] <TheSov> are snaps loops supposed to stay mounted even after you quit the app?
[23:36] <hggdh> TheSov: yes
[23:42] <t4nk553> hey guys, I want to buy a ryzen 7 1700 processor on AM4, will I still be able to use my kubuntu if I do?
[23:43] <lvrp16> blueman breaks lubuntu-desktop, mate-desktop install in a chroot because of post-inst. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=878814
[23:45] <hggdh> lvrp16: is there a bug for Ubuntu? If not, please open one, and link the Debian bug
[23:46] <lvrp16> there's a lot of bug reports but they are not addressed
[23:46] <lvrp16> i don't want to add to the mess
[23:47] <lvrp16> this is broken on the latest bionic with updates
[23:47] <hggdh> lvrp16: that's your call. But without an Ubuntu bug, this has no chance of being fixed except on Cosmic
[23:47] <oerheks> t4nk553, i would reinstall
[23:47] <TheSov> hggdh, any way to auto dismount them?
[23:48] <t4nk553> Yes oerheks, of course, but will the hardware function properly?
[23:48] <t4nk553> compatibility-wise
[23:48] <hggdh> TheSov: probably yes, but then you will not have access to the snap anymore
[23:48] <oerheks> t4nk553, that rysen is out for a year now, i guess it is, not the 2400, that needs kernel 4.16 or up
[23:49] <t4nk553> ok, I was planning for such a later proc, but decided against it anyway
[23:50] <oerheks> TheSov, you *could* unmount a snap, then it does not update, maybe this post is a help https://askubuntu.com/questions/828859/how-to-unmount-and-possibly-delete-old-ubuntu-core-snap
[23:54] <CarlFK> im in a shell (gnome terminal)(not sure it matters what shell)  how can I add a file to the "Recent" list like I see in the various gui file picker dialogs?
[23:55] <t4nk553> thnx for answering my question oerheks, guess I'm gonna look for some amd-support next because I still have some worries about what mem to use
[23:56] <oerheks> t4nk553, there is a ##hardware channel here on #feenode
[23:56] <hggdh> CarlFK: I am not sure it makes sense to add a "recent file" to gnome terminal. As the name states, it is a terminal emulator, not an editor
[23:56] <CarlFK> hggdh: I want to add the file to the gui's list
[23:57] <t4nk553> mmmm ##hardware Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services ... better reconnect then
[23:57] <DeHackEd> don't need to-
[23:57] <hggdh> CarlFK: I am sorry, but I really do not understand what you want
[23:57] <DeHackEd> aw man..
[23:57] <DeHackEd> from the CLI add something to the GUI's "recent files" list
[23:58] <CarlFK> hggdh: If I do carl@twist:~/temp$ display foo.png  (see image viewer) then open gimp, do File/Open, click Recent" I want to see foo.png
[23:58] <t4nk_was_here> *rolling eyes*
[23:59] <t4nk_was_here> guess reconnecting doesn't work


[17:51] <boredandblogging> katkin: ping
[17:57] <katkin> boredandblogging: hi there, I'm close to walking out of the door, anything urgent? :)
[17:58] <boredandblogging> katkin: nah, we can talk tomorrow
[18:01] <katkin> boredandblogging: ok thanks, have a good evening/day
[18:53] <johnc4510> good day all
[21:10] <m-c> hiya johnc4510
[21:11] <johnc4510> m-c: Greetings :)