[17:56] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: So, turns out (from my lurking) that bluesabre is the maintainer of menulibre, and it is broken in 19.04. That explains a few things, but I don't know if he knew about the bugs people have been having.
[18:08] <OvenWerks> Menulibre just goes about the menu editing problem from the wrong angle from the begining.
[18:08] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. :/
[18:09] <OvenWerks> It completely replaces the system config meaning that anyone who adds (as part of a package like wine for example) a menu stub after menulibre has been used... doesn't work.
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> The xfce4-volumed bug reared its ugly head in a direct personal email I received this morning. I need to figure out how to prevent information like the panel configuration from missing us in the future.
[18:10] <OvenWerks> If it didn't do that, the fact that it uses a copy of the stock xfce config rather than the active config wouldn't matter
[18:10] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I also got the same email.
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> Did this person send it via launchpad to you too?
[18:11] <OvenWerks> I think part of the problem may be that ubuntu-bug does not work for any package installed that is not release
[18:11] <OvenWerks> I think so.
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> Well, I think it's the Xubuntu team knowing about a problem or a deprication (as xfce4-volumed is now depricated, it turns out) and doesn't pass that information along to us if it requrires a fix on our end.
[18:13] <OvenWerks> in the past zequence was syncing our desktop to xubuntu every cycle. I am not sure what his procedure to do that was.
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> Was that, perhaps, before Numix became the default?
[18:14] <OvenWerks> I don't know, sakrecoer may know.
[18:15] <OvenWerks> themes have never been my thing, I would be happy with the old standard Motif style...
[18:16] <Eickmeyer> Not a huge deal. But, we need to be staying on top of that. I guess I'll join the Xubuntu devel list.
[18:20] <OvenWerks> We need to put together a list of packages that need release
[18:20] <OvenWerks> default settings, controls, menu, menu-add, ?
[18:25] <Eickmeyer> So far, yes.
[18:26] <OvenWerks> So far, you are the only one who has tested any of them
[18:26] <Eickmeyer> It's actually pretty easy to see on Launchpad. Simply look at our git packages and whichever ones have been modified since 19.04 are the ones that will need release.
[18:26] <Eickmeyer> menu-add is a new package so it will need sponsoring and AA approval.
[18:26] <Eickmeyer> As such, the package will need to be given all the things.
[18:26] <OvenWerks> Ok
[18:28] <OvenWerks> Ya, I may have put the readme in the wrong place. Directly in usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-menu-add/
[18:29] <OvenWerks>  I see controls is different
[18:30] <Eickmeyer> Readme can be in the root directory of the git repo.
[18:30] <OvenWerks> I think it is there too
[18:30] <OvenWerks> I wanted to have it where I could drop it in the GUI... but it was easier to just put the text there from the get go
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> It doesn't need to be in usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-menu-add. That's done automatically by dh_docs.
[22:58] <bluesabre> xfce4-volumed(-pulse) is not necessarily deprecated, but we opted to use xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin after taking up maintainership of it a couple years ago
[22:58] <bluesabre> As for the menulibre bugs, I'll be working those out this weekend. Wasn't aware of them prior to the disco release
[22:59] <OvenWerks> bluesabre: I'll try it out when you are done.
[22:59] <bluesabre> OvenWerks: thanks


[01:17] <cmaloney> Are we having fun yet?
[03:52] <_stink_> :/
[13:49] <cmaloney> morning
[14:01] <_stink_> hello
[15:15] <widox> heyo
[15:16] <cmaloney> hey widox! Long time no see!
[15:38] <widox> I know it! just lingering here, been busy and just not wanting to go outside :)
[15:38] <cmaloney> Heh
[15:38] <cmaloney> It's cold and dangerous out there.
[15:39] <cmaloney> (at least now it is)
[15:39] <cmaloney> You probably have an even more amazing beard now
[15:39] <widox> haha
[15:39] <widox> I dunno. it does collect snow pretty good, anyway
[15:41] <widox> bought a house. so that's kind a big project atm
[15:42] <widox> its completely empty. so there is much to be done - hoping to be able to move in early summer
[15:43] <cmaloney> Wow. Whereabouts?
[15:47] <widox> here in Detroit, Corktown area (few blocks from the old Tiger stadium)
[15:47] <jrwren> you live in corktown?
[15:47] <jrwren> ha!
[15:47] <jrwren> your hipster convertion is now complete.
[15:47] <widox> currently renting around the corner from the house :)
[15:47] <jrwren> that rules!
[15:47] <widox> I know it, I can't take these jeans off anymore!
[15:48] <widox> lol
[15:48] <jrwren> what street?
[15:48] <widox> house is on Church St, between 11th & Rosa Parks
[15:48] <widox> I'm on 11th currently
[15:49] <jrwren> widox: OMFG... I'd get Bucharest EVERY DAY!!!
[15:49] <jrwren> widox: do you?
[15:49] <widox> yes, I can smell it all the time
[15:49] <jrwren> widox: for whom do you work?
[15:49] <widox> we keep the urge in check; its too easy to get burned out on it
[15:50] <jrwren> I only get Bucharest once every few years and its always a level or more above anything else.
[15:50] <widox> we used to live downtown, a few blocks from its old location there -- and we overate it there for a bit...
[15:50] <jrwren> Now that its gone from Park Bar, I'll probably never get it again :(
[15:51] <widox> jrwren: I work from home. company is based in FL (all dev is remote though) http://www.sentryds.com
[15:51] <widox> its only like a mile from DT
[15:51] <jrwren> widox: nice!
[15:52] <jrwren> widox: yeah, that is a great location. I didn't know if maybe you worked for DTE or something really close
[15:53] <jrwren> widox: an old friend used to live about 10 blocks away on lafayette
[15:54] <jrwren> but that was at least 15yrs ago, lol. I'm getting old.
[15:55] <widox> :)
[15:57] <cmaloney> bbiab. :) TTYL!
[15:58] <cmaloney> off to take mom on the annual "I'm not shooping for dad" trip.
[17:11] <greg-g> it's a widox ! :)
[17:15] <widox> hey hey greg-g. how are you?
[17:19] <greg-g> widox: in a meeting (that I'm running ;), and the weekly technology team managers meeting, heh ) but good! well, tired as hell. Was up all night with a 5 year old who was having nightmares
[17:19] <_stink_> bummer!
[17:20] <greg-g> yeah :/
[17:20] <greg-g> maybe reading him A Christmas Carol (the orig) as a bedtime story is backfiring
[17:23] <_stink_> http://www.scaryforkids.com/pics/bedtime-stories.jpg
[17:24] <greg-g> _stink_: dude, that made me sad :(
[17:24] <greg-g> "I'm doing that to him!"
[17:26] <widox> doh
[17:26] <greg-g> resolved: no more A Christmas Carol before bed. Back to Dr Suess
[19:56] <cmaloney> greg-g: Yipes
[19:57] <jrwren> lol. that is funny.


[06:07] <flocculant> !team | bug 1734147
[06:08] <flocculant> respins for 17.10 will appear, updated our release note to make note of this
[06:08] <flocculant> we'll need to do some testing and then release when the time comes
[06:12] <flocculant> might be a idea to social media this
[11:02] <bluesabre> flocculant: wow, that's bad
[11:03] <JackFrost> But oh so...OK, so not fun either.
[11:37] <knome> ugh
[17:42] <flocculant> mmm
[17:47] <flocculant> immediate question is do we disable downloads - if nothing else we could do so from getxubuntu
[17:47] <flocculant> or at least put some warning on that page
[17:47] <flocculant> knome: ^^
[17:58] <flocculant> re -release : 'investigation is still in progress of a runtime recovery of the issue'
[20:06] <ali1234> that's a nasty bug. why is it writing to the bios at all? the docs for the driver say it is set to read only by default. accidentally writing anything seems like it should be quite unlikely


[03:55] <Jordan_U> I just got a PM from mewkat.
[08:30] <Myrtti> !behelpful > urlin2u
[08:53] <elky> I don't know it's a quality that one possesses.
[12:55] <bazhang> grub has a repo?
[12:55] <ikonia> nope
[12:56] <bazhang> odd questions from pointedarrow/sharparrow
[12:56] <ikonia> yes
[12:56] <IdleOne> bazaar?
[13:27] <ikonia> I hate calling kernel modules "drivers"
 bazhang, i removed gnome3 without having to reinstall ubuntu
[13:28] <bazhang> wonder how long that will remain stable
[19:06]  * mneptok and Ted Ts'o had a mutual GNOME3 hatefest at LinuxCon
[19:06] <ikonia> ?
[19:06] <mneptok> not a fan
[19:06] <mneptok> and neither is Ted
[19:06] <ikonia> ah
[19:06] <ikonia> he's been complaining
[19:07] <mneptok> so we comiserated. until Linus asked to to stop, and changed the subject to suba diving.
[19:07] <mneptok> *scube
[19:07] <mneptok> hhrsdiughshgareiohgvbbsvdjgorjhb
[19:09] <Myrtti> !floodbots > Vidalia
[19:14] <mneptok> Myrtti: got your request, but been busy with LinuxCon all week. sorry. i'll deal this week.
[19:14] <Myrtti> mneptok: ♥
[19:14] <mneptok> *muah*
[19:15] <Myrtti> no worries tho
[19:15] <mneptok> thanks
[19:58] <oly562> can someone tell me why i am banned from ubuntu?
[19:58] <rww> one sec
[19:58] <oly562> if so, i need help with an issue.
[19:58] <oly562> was it you rww?
[19:59] <rww> oly562: no, it was ikonia. I'm looking up the ban log.
[19:59] <oly562> i wasnt even talking in ubuntu yesterday
[19:59] <oly562> ikonia? i havent heard from they op in a year
[19:59] <oly562> whats up?
[19:59] <ikonia> hello
[19:59] <oly562> me and him go way back
[19:59]  * rww passes off to ikonia
[19:59] <oly562> so what happened in ubuntu ?
[19:59] <oly562> you just saw me in there?
[20:00] <ikonia> pretty much yes, your same olod routine
[20:00] <oly562> figured you would ban me from something i did year ago?
[20:00] <ikonia> the users of #ubuntu don't need your attitude any more,
[20:00] <oly562> no, paste the entire convo, as i have no idea what i did wrong
[20:00] <oly562> no, you dont speak for everyone
[20:00] <oly562> you speak for yourself and a few of your buddies
[20:00] <oly562> i do quite well helping users on ubuntu quite often, your mistaken, again
[20:00] <ikonia> oly562: you're banned, that's not going to change at this time. I can give you the appeals link if you wish to appeal it
[20:01] <oly562> paste bin what happend, i dont like people who just dont like me and then ban me for no reason
[20:01] <oly562> nah, you and i had an issue long time ago, and you were forced to let me back in
[20:01] <ikonia> oly562: it's not for no reason, everytime you are in the channel, your attitude stinks
[20:01] <oly562> you hold a grudge lol
[20:01] <oly562> i know your type
[20:01] <ikonia> no, I don't
[20:01] <ikonia> ok - this conversation is over, bye
[20:01] <rww> !appeals
[20:01] <oly562> im waiting for the pastebin
[20:02] <oly562> actually there isnt one,,, ill check the logs myself yesterday and paste here for further review
[20:02] <oly562> bbiab
[20:02] <rww> Step (1) and (2) evidently failed. I am another operator, and I agree with ikonia, so there goes step (3). Please feel free to go talk to the IRCC.
[20:04] <oly562> im not even in the logs !
[20:04] <oly562> like i said, your holding a grudge. i was told how to "behave" and i havent done anything wrong in that room... i want you to paste what i said,, now
[20:05] <ikonia> please follow the appeals process and the IRC council can discuss this with me if they feel I have placed the ban without cause
[20:05] <oly562> there is nothing in the logs
[20:05] <oly562> are you nuts?
[20:05] <ikonia> please follow the process.   I didn't see my message posted - how many clients have that particular problem?
[20:55] <rww> scrolled up, maybe? otherwise, none that I know of
[20:56] <rww> shrug. if they don't do it again...
[21:13] <Jordan_U> !se
[21:14] <LjL> @logthehellin
[21:19] <Jordan_U> I need to leave and lynx____ isn't responding to PMs, could someone else try and PM them and unquiet them after they respond or some reasonable period?
[21:20] <Myrtti> seems to have stopped spamming
[21:20] <Flannel> We're not +z
[21:21] <Flannel> but yes, it does.
[21:21] <rww> since they quit with a cussful quit message, yes, I would assume they stopped :P
[21:21] <Flannel> I missed it
[21:24] <Success> hey guys i got banned by mistake
[21:24] <Success> guys can u unban me on ubuntu i went in there as ubuntuuser cuz i thought no one had it and i didnt feel like logging in but when i went in with that name i got banned so i switched back to success my real name and logged in and im banned now so can u unban me plz
[21:27] <Flannel> Success: Howdy.
[21:27] <Flannel> Success: It sees you were banned a few days ago for an outburst regarding texas.  Do you remember this?
[21:29] <Success> oh that..
[21:29] <Success> i forgot abt that. sry
[21:30] <Success> what do i have to do to get unbanned im rlly sry
[21:31] <Flannel> Success: So, basically, you randomly brought up Texas, yelled about it, and then used profanity and some obscene statements at some guy.
[21:32] <Success> no lol i didnt bring it up some other guy did he was like texas is.. bad names/words and i was like no its not n other bad stuff to him and yeaa
[21:32] <Flannel> Success: those aren't things we encourage in our channels.  Are you familiar with our IRC guidelines and the Code of Conduct?
[21:33] <Success> yes
[21:33] <Flannel> No, he didn't say anything about texas until you yelled about them not forgetting it.  And after he said "fuck texas", we spoke with him about that too, so your outburst wasn't warranted.
[21:33] <Flannel> Success: alright, You're familiar with them, but I'd feel more comfortable if you re-read the guidelines: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines just in case there's something you forgot
[21:34] <Success> ok ty ubuntu friends brb then.. well i might have to go in a minute but ima go read
[21:35] <Flannel> Success: Alright, if you have to leave, come back once you've read it and we'll remove the ban.
[22:36] <tony_> rww sucks
[22:36] <Myrtti> that's not a constructive way of starting a discussion, now is it?
[22:36] <tony_> IT IS
[22:37] <rww> snort
[22:37] <tony_> ?
[22:37] <LjL> tony_: are you willing to discuss this without name calling?
[22:38] <tony_> ahhh shur
[22:38] <tony_> lol
[22:39] <tony_> can u tell me what --- for 1 thing
[22:39] <tony_> ok well c u
[22:39] <tony_> bye
[22:41] <rww> aww, just switched to a real computer to go through it with him and am getting PM abuse :(
[22:43] <Myrtti> classy


[02:53] <guiverc_w> fyi: i just completed my look thru UWN gdoc - my 'comments' are there..
[03:07] <Bashing-om> guiverc_w: Ho Kay ,, I have a looksee .. :P
[16:18] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Sam Hewitt: Moving Beyond Themes @ https://samuelhewitt.com/blog/2018-08-05-moving-beyond-themes
[18:00] <Bashing-om> UWN: in the "Meeting Reports" section - how do we check for any reports to include in the newsletter ?
[18:32] <Bashing-om> UWN: In the "Meeting Reports" section how do we check for any reports to include in the newsletter ?
[18:35] <Bashing-om> Beginning the process of building the wiki for issue539 .
[20:37] <Bashing-om> Near done with the wiki - someone proof read -please and advise on how to populate " Meeting Reports"  .. before completing "In This Issue" .
[23:45] <Bashing-om> guiverc_w: Back. Have you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue539 ? Anything now to change ? And what do we do to populate the "Meeting Reports" section ?
[23:47] <guiverc_w> looking now