[02:20] <Bdrumz> hello. can anyone help me? :)
[05:11] <larsduesing> Good morning
[05:12] <pitti> Good morning
[05:17] <pitti> Quantal doesn't seem to like me today; unity keeps crashing, the theme is wrong, and telepathy keeps failing to authenticate
[05:18] <jasoncwarner_> hey pitti oh...I'm assuming you are running daily?
[05:18] <pitti> hey jasoncwarner_
[05:18] <pitti> yes, updated yesterday evening
[05:18] <pitti> anyway, I'll just wait
[05:19]  * pitti reports two apport crashes to LP
[05:19] <jasoncwarner_> ok, thanks pitti , I'll find out when the EUs get online :)
[05:21] <RAOF> pitti: I think there's some dbus/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-control-centre madness happening; for me unity takes ~20sec to load, and I think that's it waiting for a bus timeout.
[05:21] <pitti> yeah, here too
[05:21] <pitti> then it resets the theme to ambiance
[05:22] <pitti> for unity, anyway
[05:22] <RAOF> If you try starting up gnome-settings-daemon it'll work, but later crash after timing out waiting for the session manager on dbus, apparently.
[06:04] <didrocks> good morning
[06:15] <jasoncwarner_> hey didrocks
[06:16] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: morning!
[06:16] <didrocks> good morning jasoncwarner_, how was your week-end? :)
[06:16] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: good, thanks. You?
[06:17] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: was good as well, although quite rainy
[06:17] <didrocks> am I the only one having gnome-settings-daemon exiting on quantal?
[06:17] <didrocks> (and no more appmenu integration)
[06:18] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: I think pitti is having issues with it... RAOF mentioned something as well
[06:18] <pitti> hey didrocks
[06:18] <RAOF> Hey didrocks!
[06:18] <pitti> didrocks: yes, quantal is not nice today; g-s-d acting up, compiz crashing, telepathy not logging in
[06:18] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti, your long week-end was good? :)
[06:18] <didrocks> pitti: compiz crashing? nothing changed AFAIK, let me look at the uploads
[06:18] <pitti> didrocks: indeed it was, thanks! spent two days in Dresden, and two in Halle for a family birthday
[06:18] <didrocks> hey RAOF
[06:19] <didrocks> oh nice :)
[06:19] <pitti> didrocks: I did file an X.org apport crash, compiz did not get one; perhaps it exited because of the g-s-d issue, or due to the X.org crash, I don't know
[06:19] <didrocks> pitti: can be, yeah
[06:20] <RAOF> pitti: Xorg crash?
[06:20] <pitti> apport just duped it to bug 1010292
[06:20] <didrocks> and appmenu is doubled for your as well?
[06:20] <RAOF> Actually, no. Let's go back to playing with mono AOT. Xorg crash can be tomorrow, when I'm working :)
[06:20] <didrocks> in gtk3 apps
[06:20] <didrocks> RAOF: oh, still one week-end? run away ;)
[06:20] <RAOF> Long weekend here :)
[06:21] <didrocks> heh, enjoy!
[06:21]  * didrocks feels it's because of the gnome-desktop ABI break and g-s-d rebuilt
[06:22] <didrocks> I wish this would have be done by the desktop team first, and tested in -proposed
[06:23] <RAOF> Didn't Robert upload gnome-desktop & friends?
[06:24] <didrocks> infinity did the ABI rebuilds (a large part of the stack)
[06:25] <didrocks> all of this should have been done in -proposed, tested and copied to release IMHO
[06:25] <micahg> could g-s-d depending on libgnomekbd7 be part of the issue?
[06:26] <didrocks> micahg: I see some keyboard warnings, so can be
[06:27] <didrocks> I'm afraid I will have to package 3.5.2
[06:27] <didrocks> but with that, we will regress in compiz front as we don't have the gsettings backend yet
[06:28] <didrocks> finishing my email backlog and then looking at that
[06:29] <RAOF> I think g-s-d is waiting for something on dbus, then dying when it doesn't show up; it crashes after timing out on a couple of dbuseys.
[07:01] <glatzor> morning pitti.
[07:01] <pitti> hey glatzor, wie gehts?
[07:01] <glatzor> how are you?
[07:02] <pitti> glatzor: I'm great, thanks!
[07:02] <glatzor> pitti, fine. The last 5 days on my old working place.
[07:02]  * pitti is currently fighting with apport's py3 port
[07:02] <pitti> glatzor: oh, where are you moving to?
[07:03] <glatzor> pitti, To be honest I don't know yet. I just wanted to put an end to my current working place. and so my girlfriend and me are taking the chance to take off some monthes and travelling around Canada
[07:03] <glatzor> pitti, perhaps I will answer to one of the Google head hunter spams :)
[07:04] <pitti> hehe
[07:04] <glatzor> pitti, The seems to regularly scan Ohloho
[07:05] <glatzor> pitti, Niels Thykier gave me the advice to use lintian profiles instead of the currently used tag files
[07:06] <pitti> in aptdaemon?
[07:06] <pitti> I haven't used lintian profiles yet
[07:07] <glatzor> pitti, right. Aptdaemon now ships a debian/aptdaemon.profile and an ubuntu/aptdaemon.profile
[07:07] <glatzor> pitti, the are based on the debian ftp mater auto reject profile
[07:07] <glatzor> they are ..
[07:07] <glatzor> pitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/lintian-profiles/view/head:/data/lintian/ubuntu/aptdaemon.profile
[07:08] <glatzor> pitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/lintian-profiles/view/head:/data/lintian/debian/aptdaemon.profile
[07:09] <glatzor> pitti, I just converted the old tag files to profiles. But I think that the list of disabled checks in the ubuntu profile could need some review.
[07:09] <pitti> ah, nice
[07:09] <pitti> that's more general than the old tag files, though, as you cannot override messages for specific files?
[07:10] <glatzor> pitti, overrides are now easily configurable. We just use the ones from the ftp master auto reject profile. sys admins can even place a custom profile add /etc/lintian/profiles/ubuntu/aptdaemon.profile to overwrite the shipped one
[07:11] <glatzor> pitti, the test will now also fail on warnings.
[07:11] <pitti> you've been busy :)
[07:12] <pitti> also, thanks for merging the pkcompat branch
[07:12] <glatzor> pitti, you just need to a Tag section with the Overridable attribute
[07:12] <glatzor> need to add a
[07:12] <glatzor> pitti, it is raining here a lot :)
[07:15] <glatzor> pitti, I found a comment of you in the pkcompat branch about getting the return value of 2 from apt-key even on successful runs
[07:15] <glatzor> pitti, is there are way to reproduce this?
[07:15] <pitti> glatzor: right, that's why I modified the logic to check stdout
[07:16] <pitti> glatzor: the test suite does
[07:17] <pitti> hm, why can't I run this ATM -- can't import apt.auth
[07:18] <pitti> ah, I guess it was removed and moved to apt or so
[07:19] <glatzor> pitti, right. I created a new apt.auth module
[07:20] <glatzor> pitti, unfortunately trunk currently depends on a not yet released libapt and python-apt
[07:20] <glatzor> pitti, I fixed apt-key to be usable with chroots too
[07:20] <pitti> if we can fix the exit code in apt-key, we can revert the workaround, of course
[07:21] <glatzor> pitti, the adv command of apt-key should return the exit state of gnupg directly
[07:23] <glatzor> pitti, we could also use the status fd of gnupg in apt.auth
[07:24] <glatzor> pitti, but to come back to the initial issue: who should decide on the lintian profile and when we call a software being of bad quality
[07:24] <glatzor> ?
[07:25] <pitti> this is for installing third-party debs, right?
[07:26] <pitti> not sure really; I guess someone familiar with the current set of tags should review them (mvo?), and perhaps put it up for review on u-devel@
[07:27] <glatzor> morning mvo :)
[07:28] <mvo> hey glatzor and pitti!
[07:28] <pitti> hey mvo, guten Morgen
[07:28] <didrocks> hey mvo! enjoyed your holidays?
[07:28] <mvo> didrocks: yes, it was very nice!
[07:29] <didrocks> great ;) staying at home or travelling?
[07:33] <mvo> didrocks: I stayed at home, it was a very short vac, still a nice break
[07:34] <didrocks> sweet :)
[07:36] <didrocks> RAOF: if you are still around, it's the gnome-desktop MAX_GL_TEXTURE helper which troubles g-s-d :)
[07:36] <RAOF> didrocks: ORLY?
[07:36] <RAOF> Arse.
[07:36] <RAOF> That's what it's waiting for, I take it?
[07:36] <RAOF> Yay for defensively setting a timeout :)
[07:37] <didrocks> RAOF: indeed! :)
[07:37] <didrocks> he's waiting eagerly to gnome-desktop to respond on the MAX_GL_TEXTURE
[07:37] <didrocks> which out to ignore him completely
[07:39] <RAOF> Heh.
[07:41] <didrocks> RAOF: it's normal that it ignores it btw
[07:41] <didrocks> RAOF: it's not like if it was on disk :p
[07:49] <didrocks> found why I guess
[07:49] <didrocks> two libexec_PROGRAMS in the same Makefile.am, one should die :)
[07:52] <glatzor> mvo, when do you plan to upload apt and python-apt?
[07:53] <glatzor> I would like to release the python3 port with the new apt.auth support
[07:54] <glatzor> mvo, pitti oh. I have to leave for work now. see you.
[07:54] <glatzor> have a nice day
[07:54] <pitti> bye glatzor, you too!
[07:57] <mvo> glatzor: bye
[07:57] <mvo> glatzor: yes, apt is ready in my bzr branch for quantal
[07:57] <mvo> glatzor: and python-apt will be soon I hope
[08:04] <thumper> didrocks: kudos on helping solve the Q gcc issue
[08:04] <didrocks> thumper: no worry :)
[08:04] <thumper> didrocks: it was a doozy
[08:04] <didrocks> thumper: now, we need to find the best (and saner) strategy to have both libs installed and living well together :)
[08:04] <didrocks> thumper: oh yeah…
[08:04] <thumper> didrocks: now hoe to move forward again :)
[08:04] <thumper> s/hoe/how
[08:05] <didrocks> thumper: indeed ;) I'm hoping we can tackle/fix that today or tomorrow. I'm feeling way better now that we know the cause
[08:05] <thumper> me too
[08:05] <thumper> I was scratching my head quite a bit
[08:05] <thumper> I'm off to clean dinner dishes since John is late again
[08:06] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:08] <Laney> morning!
[08:08] <chrisccoulson> hi Laney
[08:08] <Laney> how goes?
[08:08] <didrocks> thumper: see you! :)
[08:08] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson
[08:08] <chrisccoulson> yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?
[08:08] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, did you have a good weekend?
[08:08] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: how was your week-end?
[08:08] <didrocks> morning Laney!
[08:08] <chrisccoulson> yeah, not too bad thanks :)
[08:08] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: an excellent one despite the rain!
[08:10] <chrisccoulson> heh, it didn't rain too much here, thankfully
[08:10] <chrisccoulson> is anyone else having problems with gnome-settings-daemon not running in their unity session atm?
[08:11] <larsu> chrisccoulson, ha, I just wanted to ask the same question :)
[08:11] <larsu> chrisccoulson, Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0
[08:11] <chrisccoulson> larsu, yeah, my unity session is quite unusable. i get that too, and there's quite a few dbus related errors as well
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> i've had to switch to gnome shell this morning ;)
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> which still seems to work for some reason
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> so, if nobody has started looking at that, i guess i should probably take a look at it now
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> now i know it isn't just me :)
[08:13] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, I fixed it
[08:13] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: see my gnome-desktop upload
[08:13] <didrocks> larsu: ^
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, oh, thanks :)
[08:13] <larsu> oh cool
[08:13] <larsu> didrocks, thanks!
[08:13] <didrocks> larsu: yw ;)
[08:14] <didrocks> larsu: btw, a question on that
[08:14] <didrocks> larsu: g-s-d exiting -> appmenu shown on the application?
[08:14] <didrocks> larsu: is that new? is it a new property that g-s-d is sending to gtk apps?
[08:15] <didrocks> like "hide my menu please" :)
[08:15] <larsu> didrocks, it shouldn't. But I see appmenus on almost all gtk3 apps now. I assume it's all bug #999827
[08:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 999827 in indicator-appmenu "App menus aren't shown in the panel if the app is also exporting menus via dbusmenu" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/999827
[08:15] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, there is an xsettings property for that now
[08:16] <didrocks> oh, it's a xsettings property on the root window?
[08:16]  * didrocks looks :)
[08:16] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: do you have the name of the property?  I'm fine, thanks, and you?
[08:18] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: ok ;)
[08:18] <larsu> didrocks, chrisccoulson may be right - the bug I linked to is a separate issue
[08:18] <larsu> seb128, morning!
[08:18] <didrocks> larsu: yeah, I guess so
[08:18] <seb128> didrocks, good, thanks ;-)
[08:18] <seb128> larsu, guten tag!
[08:18] <larsu> still needs to get fixed :-/
[08:18] <seb128> didrocks, what issue are you discussing?
[08:19] <didrocks> seb128: oh, not an issue, I was just wondering why when g-s-d exit, the appmenu is shown in gtk3 apps
[08:19] <didrocks> seb128: this is quite new, isn't it?
[08:19] <seb128> didrocks, since precise, that's the work desrt did
[08:19] <seb128> didrocks, Gtk/ShellShowsMenubar xsettings is set by gsd
[08:19] <seb128> same for Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu
[08:20] <didrocks> on the root window?
[08:20] <seb128> didrocks, remember, I told you that you can turn off the appmenu with gsettings overrides ;-)
[08:20] <seb128> didrocks, well, it's a xsettings, like the theme, etc
[08:20] <seb128> I don't think it's win specific
[08:21] <didrocks> ah ok ;)
[08:21] <seb128> didrocks, googling suggest there is a settings window for those
[08:22] <seb128> http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html
[08:22] <seb128> didrocks, "The settings manager changes the contents of the _XSETTINGS_SETTINGS property of the root window whenever the source it derives them from changes,"
[08:22] <seb128> inf act
[08:23] <didrocks> seb128: ok, reading it, thanks!
[08:34] <Sweetshark> moin!
[08:34] <larsu> seb128, I know you told me this before, but how can I get the equivalent of bzr branch lp:ubuntu/gnome-settings-daemon if the autoimporter is broken?
[08:35] <seb128> larsu, apt-get source gnome-settings-daemon?
[08:35] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey
[08:35] <larsu> seb128, yeah, but that doesn't let me fix something and put out a merge request
[08:36] <larsu> I want to remove that print plugin asserting in .xsession-errors
[08:36] <seb128> larsu: we use debian only vcs, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu
[08:37] <seb128> larsu, but feel free to just do an upstream patch for that, .xsession-errors noise are usually not worth doing an Ubuntu specific upload
[08:38] <larsu> seb128, it's in our patch that removes the plugin. Otherwise I'd have done it upstream ;)
[08:38] <Sweetshark> seb128: could you take of bug 1010631 or reassign it appropriately?
[08:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1010631 in libcmis "sync request: libcmis (0.2.2-1) " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010631
[08:38] <Laney> ogra_: hey, can you add me to that team with an ARM PPA please? (I forgot its name, sorry)
[08:38] <seb128> larsu: ok, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu then
[08:39] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok
[08:39] <larsu> seb128, cool, thanks
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> hmm, has anyone else used gnome-shell with multiple monitors?
[08:42] <Sweetshark> seb128: thx!
[08:45] <Laney> ogra_: hey, can you add me to that team with an ARM PPA please? (I forgot its name, sorry)
[08:46] <Laney> .
[08:46] <ogra_> Laney, no neeed to repeat :)
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, seems we were quite lucky to mostly avoid rain over the weekend: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18391200
[08:48] <ogra_> Laney, done (canonical-arm-dev btw)
[08:48] <Laney> ogra_: sorry. Something is very wrong with my internet connection right now
[08:48] <Laney> switched to mosh to hopefully smooth it out
[08:48] <ogra_> ah
[08:48] <ogra_> well, you are a member now, have fun :)
[08:49] <Laney> thanks
[08:49] <Laney> which PPA should I be using?
[08:49] <Laney> ah, "ppa" probably :-)
[08:54] <seb128> chrisccoulson, we didn't avoid rain in France ;-)
[08:54] <chrisccoulson> seb128, we didn't completely avoid it, but it didn't rain here as much as it did in wales
[08:54] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what about g-s and multimonitor? I didn't try here but I guess it should be working
[08:55] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, i just docked my laptop whilst running gnome-shell, and noticed that i only get 1 workspace on my secondary monitor
[08:55] <chrisccoulson> not sure if that's normal
[08:55] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I think that's wanted
[08:55] <chrisccoulson> oh, that sucks ;)
[08:55] <chrisccoulson> i prefer what we have
[08:55] <seb128> ;-)
[08:56] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: that's to punish you using it :p
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> heh
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> it feels quite broken to be able to have multiple workspaces on only 1 screen
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> i definitely couldn't work like that
[08:59] <Laney> hrm, I've no unity this morning :P
[08:59] <didrocks> Laney: possibly due to this g-s-d timing out (and theme changing), no?
[09:00] <didrocks> Laney: nothing changed/have been built unity side
[09:00] <Laney> I installed your gnome-desktop3 before restarting
[09:00] <didrocks> Laney: or do you have your locally installed version with the rebuild?
[09:00] <didrocks> the one you merge proposed
[09:00] <Laney> don't think I did it on this machine
[09:00] <Laney> let me see.
[09:01] <Laney> getting a compiz segfault
[09:02] <didrocks> report it please ;)
[09:02] <Laney> am doing
[09:02] <thumper> didrocks: I think compiz compiles with C++0x
[09:02] <thumper> didrocks: just a fyi :)
[09:02] <didrocks> thumper: right, but it's uploaded for 15 days now
[09:03] <didrocks> thumper: and no issue :)
[09:03] <thumper> ok
[09:03] <didrocks> thumper: however, I spoke to the gcc dev
[09:03] <didrocks> thumper: they are telling that ABI changes are coming all over the place in the stl
[09:03] <didrocks> thumper: and it's not yet intended to be used in applications as long as the stack isn't ready
[09:03] <thumper> didrocks: ick
[09:04] <Laney> bug #1011496, see if the retracer dups it
[09:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1011496 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in std::__detail::_List_node_base::_M_hook()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1011496
[09:04] <didrocks> thumper: so, I'm not sure the cost of this and shipping 2 versions of the whole stl…
[09:04] <thumper> :(
[09:04] <didrocks> Laney: are you sure that you don't have the version you compiled locally?
[09:04] <didrocks> as it's exactly that
[09:04] <didrocks> the crash I was reffering and why I refused your merge
[09:05] <Laney> I thought apport would have refused the bug if so
[09:05] <Laney> I'll make it re-download :P
[09:05] <Sweetshark> seb128: btw my machine failed to boot into lightdm today again -- with the patch from the bug.
[09:05] <didrocks> Laney: if you rebuild with the same version…
[09:05] <didrocks> thumper: I guess we need to discuss that tomorrow, preferrably with doko?
[09:06]  * thumper nods
[09:06] <seb128> Sweetshark, oh, "LibreOffice gerrit bot" is you? ;-)
[09:06] <didrocks> thumper: I'm afraid the cost at the end will get higher and higher. The gcc devs are happy to work with us on this
[09:06] <Sweetshark> seb128: :/
[09:06] <thumper> didrocks: I'm concerned that unity is just the tip of the iceberg here
[09:06] <Sweetshark> seb128: yes. forgot to exchange logins
[09:06] <didrocks> thumper: right, they are just discouraging using it for final apps until the stack is ready
[09:07] <thumper> didrocks: if I'm a project dev using C++ and I choose to use C++0x flag to get the new goodness, I'd expect it to work on ubuntu
[09:07] <didrocks> thumper: I'll try to get doko on board
[09:07] <thumper> they who?
[09:07] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok, thanks for testing and commenting back, guess we need to figure another fix then :-(
[09:07] <Sweetshark> Hello. I am your friendly LibreOffice Bot. How can I help?
[09:07] <didrocks> thumper: gcc devs implementing C++0x
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> thumper, did you see my mail on ubuntu-devel about this?
[09:08] <thumper> chrisccoulson: no, I'm not on ubuntu-devel
[09:09] <thumper> didrocks: the problem with this is how much in unity would have to change
[09:09] <chrisccoulson> thumper, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-June/035310.html
[09:09] <thumper> didrocks: and it is a metric fuck-ton
[09:09] <chrisccoulson> i guess you're talking about this :)
[09:09] <didrocks> thumper: indeed… I totally agree. I would prefer that we don't have to change the code all over the place
[09:09] <didrocks> thumper: let's see, I'm trying to catch doko ASAP
[09:09] <didrocks> thumper: and I'll setup a meeting
[09:10] <didrocks> hopefully on in crazy hours for you
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> stl isn't really meant to be used in public api's for this reason
[09:10] <didrocks> not*
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> thumper, https://twitter.com/chrisccoulson/status/211119293004398593 ;)
[09:10] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: in the email I sent to them, I refered to that email
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, ah, ok. thanks
[09:10] <didrocks> so he should have read it already :)
[09:12] <thumper> chrisccoulson: I feel that you are saying different things to what I'm inferring from didrocks
[09:12] <chrisccoulson> thumper, in what way?
[09:12] <didrocks> hum?
[09:13] <Sweetshark> seb128: libreoffice_3.4.5+really3.4.4-0ubuntu1 is now finally ready on chinstrap. how do we proceed with it?
[09:13] <thumper> I inferred it was only libsigc++6 that was the issue as it was compiled with a different flag
[09:13] <thumper> chrisccoulson: you mentioned it was just libsigc++
[09:13] <thumper> damnit
[09:14] <thumper> first library should be libstdc++6
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> thumper, ah, libstdc isn't really involved here, because a lot of the STL is template code, which means it has to be compiled inline
[09:15] <thumper> that is what I thought
[09:15] <thumper> however it means that we can't use "auto, lambdas, range based for loops, strong enums" and a bunch of others
[09:15] <thumper> that we have started using in unity wholesale
[09:15] <thumper> for the last 10 months
[09:16] <thumper> c++11 also adds namespacing to old enums
[09:16] <thumper> which c++98 does not
[09:16] <thumper> so much nice goodness that it seems we are being told not to use
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> i'm not advocating switching away from that :)
[09:16] <thumper> ok, didrocks, chrisccoulson: do we need a meeting to decide how to move forwards?
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> rather, that we should switch libsigc. but i wonder whether we need to have a policy to enforce things like this
[09:17] <thumper> or will email be sufficient?
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> email should probably be ok
[09:17] <thumper> ok
[09:18] <didrocks> thumper: maybe, we can twist this, I'm testing something
[09:18] <didrocks> thumper: building with 4.6
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> that will work until someone rebuilds libsigc with 4.7 :)
[09:19] <thumper> this just sounds like a pile of mess
[09:19] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: hum, this can work if it's with 4.7 but without the flags?
[09:19] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: as the issue for us is that there isn't this flag
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, no, the STL ABI is different between gcc versions too
[09:20] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: argh, it's definitively a doko's issue here
[09:20] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:20] <didrocks> he should 1. first have warned us about those
[09:20] <didrocks> 2. handle that because we have quite a lot of apps in the stack
[09:20] <didrocks> (and not only in main)
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> this is why i hate the "lets use the latest toolchain" bandwagon, because it always results in people doing unproductive work just to unbreak things :)
[09:22] <didrocks> indeed
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> especially people who maintain a browser ;)
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> which always breaks with a new compiler
[09:22] <didrocks> heh, not sure who you speak about ;)
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:24] <BigWhale> Good Morning.
[09:40] <didrocks> Laney: see why I refused your merge now? ;)
[09:40] <Laney> :P
[09:40] <Laney> sorry :(
[09:40] <didrocks> no worry!
[10:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you finish the pgo benchmarks? I'm pondering if your remaining a1 item should be closed or moved to a2
[10:19] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yes, that's finished. i just need to present the data in a way which is useful, which is why i haven't closed it yet :)
[10:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, I let if for you then ... what's the bottom line, is that bringing a real improvement?
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, in some JS benchmarks it is quite a significant improvement. overall it does make it faster
[11:00] <Sweetshark> seb128: thx for support and syncing/sponsoring.
[11:06] <seb128> Sweetshark, you're welcome, thanks for the work ;-)
[11:32] <BigWhale> Is Gstreamer 1.0 already in Quantal?
[11:35] <RAOF> BigWhale: Yes.
[11:36]  * BigWhale does a happy dance.
[11:37] <BigWhale> RAOF, awesome.
[11:37] <BigWhale> Thanks.
[11:37] <RAOF> Doing some gstreamer hacking? :)
[11:37] <BigWhale> I ported most of Kazam to GStreamer 1.0
[11:39] <BigWhale> and I am being lazy about installing it from the source again.
[11:39] <BigWhale> so I'll just use a VM
[11:50] <BigWhale> Now all I need is a new keybinder ...
[13:05] <seb128> re
[13:08] <didrocks> re seb128
[13:50] <Sweetshark> seb128: ping?
[13:50] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey
[13:51] <Sweetshark> seb128: I managed to get launchpad to take my branch. So ignore my diff and take https://code.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/ubuntu-seeds/quantal-libo instead as a base ;)
[13:51] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok!
[13:52] <Sweetshark> seb128: I *really* stupidly made a mistake with my ssh setup. #launchpad had a laugh ....
[13:54] <seb128> Sweetshark, can happen to anyone ;-)
[15:11] <mpt> skaet, could you please mark <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-indicator-redesign> as accepted for Q? The approver does not have permission.
[15:12] <skaet> mpt,   done.  what's the priority of this one?
[15:13] <mpt> skaet, thank you. Medium.
[15:13] <skaet> thanks mpt,  done.
[15:14] <mpt> \o/
[15:14] <Laney> ..
[15:15] <seb128> Laney, ???
[15:15] <seb128> ;-)
[15:15] <Laney> this is a funny-looking terminal!
[15:29] <pavolzetor> hilo, where should I report bug about skype?
[15:30] <pavolzetor> I have tried ubuntu-bug skype
[15:30] <pavolzetor> but package is not in repo or so
[15:30] <pavolzetor> I am just a little pissed with horrible icon in AltTab
[15:31] <pavolzetor> so I want to report it
[15:32] <jbicha> pavolzetor: I believe that bug was already reported as bug 937975
[15:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 937975 in skype "Application needs hi-res or SVG icon" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937975
[15:33] <pavolzetor> I see
[15:33] <pavolzetor> who does package skype?
[15:33] <pavolzetor> it should be really easy to fix
[15:36] <pavolzetor> okay I subscribed, thanks
[16:46] <mterry> mpt, so in the Software Updater, the phrase "Checking for updates..." should be (A) big, (B) big and bold, or (C) neither?
[16:46] <mpt> mterry, C
[16:47] <mpt> mterry, that is a provisional answer because I'm not the guy writing the typography guidelines, but I'm fairly confident in that one. :-)
[16:47] <mterry> mpt, and the details line below the progress bar, it should be normal size too?  (the "Checking Yorba PPA" one -- not that we have that nice a description yet)
[16:47] <mpt> mterry, that's a caption, small print (<small>)
[16:47] <mterry> mpt, OK!
[16:56] <Sweetshark> LibreOffice is down to 273 nonupstream/nonincomplete open bugs ...
[16:58] <kenvandine> Sweetshark, that is impressive
[16:59] <Sweetshark> ... and down to 106 triaged/confirmed nonupstream bugs.
[16:59]  * Sweetshark is dead set on making that <100 bug.
[17:00] <Sweetshark> (this cycle)
[17:02] <didrocks> have a good evening everyone!
[17:13] <mpt> Sweetshark, maybe you should request a page on <http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus>
[17:13] <mpt> for libreoffice
[17:16] <mpt> to watch your progress
[17:18] <Sweetshark> mpt: yep, looks nice. will do maybe.
[17:26] <seb128> Sweetshark, mpt: request http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/openoffice.org to be changed to libreoffice ;-)
[17:26] <seb128> Sweetshark, you can probably ask bdmurray
[17:40] <seb128> dobey, hey, u1 question for you ... we still have the syncdaemon on the CD, is that required with the installer?
[17:43] <dobey> seb128: no, but is required for other things that are still on the image
[17:44] <seb128> dobey, what things?
[17:44] <dobey> seb128: why? are you removing all the python2 stuff that's still there now?
[17:44] <dobey> seb128: buying music needs it
[17:44] <seb128> dobey, jason asked me to figure what are our option if twisted doesn't get ported this cycle
[17:45] <seb128> dobey, the store is not using the installer, couldn't install it on demand on first use if needed?
[17:45] <seb128> dobey, it's just a plan B but I'm trying to figure our options
[17:45] <dobey> seb128: ok. i've already talked to chipaca/ralsina about it, and chipaca will talk to cparrino/jason/rick/etc about it
[17:46] <dobey> seb128: yes, not having u1 on the image will require a lot of changes
[17:46] <seb128> dobey, ok, thanks, that's good enough of an answer for me ... he asked me why we needed the service if we had the installer anyway and asking users to install stuff on demand
[17:46] <dobey> seb128: also, ubuntu-sso-client does need twisted and ubuntuone-dev-tools at least, to be able to run tests on python3 :)
[17:47] <seb128> dobey, I was unsure by then, I though it might have to do with the store
[17:47] <seb128> dobey, ok, 'fair enough, I guess there is no easy way out of it ;-)
[17:47] <dobey> seb128: yeah, we don't really have things set up to install on demand. and no matter what we do, it's going to be >1 month of work i think :)
[17:48] <seb128> dobey, thanks ;-)
[17:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can I tell firefox,tb to just copy text as normal text and not as format html text?
[17:52] <seb128> oh, tb has a "paste without formatting"
[17:52] <seb128> can I make that the default for ctrl-v? ;-)
[18:03] <seb128> pitti, would you be interested to look at bug #1010141? I subscribed you, it seems a bit of your area, I would appreciate if you could have a look when you get a bit of free time
[18:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1010141 in gvfs "gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor automounts loop devices, preventing them from being unmounted" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010141
[18:08] <BigWhale> Greetings.
[18:22] <kenvandine> hey BigWhale
[18:22] <BigWhale> Hey ken.
[18:23] <BigWhale> kenvandine, how's it going? :)
[18:23] <kenvandine> busy... and you?
[18:23] <BigWhale> about the same. :/
[18:24] <BigWhale> but I try to find time for some Ubuntu lobbying in the mean time. I'm right in the middle of writing an email to ubuntu-desktop. :)
[18:56] <seb128> BigWhale, not sure that was worth a mailing list message, that update seems like a normal update, it just needs somebody to do it?
[19:04] <jbicha> BigWhale: also since we're in sync with Debian, you should ask the Debian maintainer, DktrKranz hangs out in Debian IRC if you want to ping him that way
[19:10] <BigWhale> seb128, jbicha: thanks for the tips. I'll go bug DktrKranz. :)
[19:10] <BigWhale> seb128, and I don't mind writing an email or two.
[19:10] <seb128> BigWhale, I'm sure you don't, I just don't want anyone who want an update for any desktopish source to write to the list :p
[19:11] <seb128> BigWhale, or we would get some ten or so such emails a day
[19:11] <BigWhale> Understandable.
[19:11] <BigWhale> I did ask here already, but I got no definite answer. So, that was the next logical step. :)
[19:11] <seb128> BigWhale, well, no worry, I just wanted to check if there was anything special about tha tupdate
[19:12] <seb128> seems not
[19:12] <seb128> that will maybe help to get somebody to pick it ;-)
[19:12] <BigWhale> :)
[19:27] <BigWhale> seb128, I contacted Kranz, so I'll see what will he say. Just to make sure, the only way for this to land in Ubuntu is for him to update the package? Or this is just the preferred way?
[19:27] <seb128> BigWhale, that's the preferred way
[19:29] <BigWhale> Ok, thanks. I'll go to the mind-control machine right now and persuade him to do it. :>
[19:30] <seb128> ;-)
[23:55] <TheMuso> /c/c


[04:36] <piousminion> I have a service that immediately terminates when run. Do I use "expect stop" for this type of service?
[05:29] <piousminion> Meh, screw upstart and all it's wonkyness. I'll make a cronjob.


[00:33] <guiverc> there are an uneven number of double-quotes (") in Ubuntu podcast summary  (3" for 3inch is why); that is all I noticed in my check Bashing-om   (UWN 698)
[00:39] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yukkie - but a direct quote we cannot make corrections per etiquette .
[00:40] <guiverc> yeah I know; changing our " to a "'" or "`" would be equally (if not more) yukkie
[00:51] <Bashing-om> guiverc: If that above is the worst we can find -- man we shine :P
[00:53] <guiverc> :)
[09:31] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Model-driven observability: Taming alert storms @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/model-driven-observability-part-3-taming-alert-storms
[11:11] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Cloud PaaS through the lens of open source – opinion @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/cloud-paas-through-the-lens-of-open-source-opinion
[15:19] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Linux Kernel 5.14 Released, This is What’s New @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/08/linux-kernel-5-14-new-features (by Joey Sneddon)
[16:15] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::UbuntuOnAir:: (More) Canonical Streamers! | Community Office Hours @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQRc_iEVxx0 (by Ubuntu OnAir)
[17:21] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Commenting Issues? @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/08/commenting-issues (by Joey Sneddon)
[18:50] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - From the channel log no further edits are known - time to push 20:00 UTC :D
[20:01] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - ./publish-uwn.pl is screaming and hollering about the quote marks - doing the Forum post next.
[20:13] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post completed - usual abridgements. re-directs next.
[20:28] <Bashing-om> UWN: re-directs completed - pending now is release to the Social Medias :D // ./publish-uwn.pl screaming and hollering when we do the Fridge release.
[22:59] <guiverc> okay to push 693 to fridge Bashing-om ?  (pasted, checked & looks good here)
[23:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup push to the Fridge and friends // >> a lot of similar "Use of uninitialized value $intro in quotemeta at ./publish-uwn.pl line 51." warnings.
[23:05] <guiverc> yeah I notice (i run script to get fridge.post); the file looked normal
[23:05] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/08/30/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-689-2/
[23:06] <guiverc> tweeted
[23:06] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - result looked good here too --- thinks just a notice that there "might" be a problem.
[23:08] <guiverc> nope deleting twitter post ; i missed
[23:09] <guiverc> nothing to delete; I hadn't clicked 'tweet' thankfully
[23:10] <Bashing-om> Fridge: spot check - good :D
[23:10] <guiverc> the microblog.txt is missing dates
[23:12] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ^ re-hint what I am looking for :P
[23:13] <guiverc> Issue 698 of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is here! Covering the week of August 22 - 28, 2021. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue698
[23:13] <guiverc> compare with microblog.txt
[23:13] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I do not recognize the term " microblog.txt" :(
[23:14] <guiverc> sorry, it's a file that publish-uwn.pl creates; it suffered b/c of errs
[23:18] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ahh - OK . Yeah I see now what you mean - Direct intervention fixes ?
[23:18] <guiverc> microblog.txt goes to twitter, spybook (fb), i push to mewe, reddit, mastodon etc
[23:18] <guiverc> yeah I just copy & pasted from wiki the dates on my edited ver ^
[23:19] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good man that you are :D We all clear now to wipe our evidence ?
[23:22] <guiverc> yep wipe away
[23:30] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 689 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/08/30/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-689-2/
[23:38] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ouch ! ^^ " Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 689" s/b issue 698 - yes ?
[23:42] <guiverc> ouch yeah!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:44] <guiverc> Bashing-om, Wiki - it mentions issue 598 in the welcome !
[23:45] <guiverc> fixed; fridge also corrected
[23:46] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah - got 698 opened in raw and see that ! looking to fix at this time :(
[23:46] <guiverc> nah  fridge not fixed; looking
[23:47] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Now that is for a fact - My Bad ! fixing the WIKI now :(
[23:50] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Well! the edit page is correct and thus far I can not see a fix - still messing about.
[23:51] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I made a wiki edit; maybe what you're missing
[23:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Maybe ! lemme see now what the raw text looks like :)
[23:55] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup -- All good now :D
[23:57] <Bashing-om> UWN: Isuue 699 for September off to a start :D


[00:00] <kiko> bdmurray, it's interesting, at least. we now send out special subscription notifications, but we hadn't considered what would happen if you were also the reporter. I guess you might still want the paper trail to confirm your action worked?
[00:04] <bdmurray> kiko: I didn't subscribe the team I'm part of but I guess
[00:28] <emgent> heya people
[00:30] <emgent> kiko: ping
[00:36] <kiko> emgent, hey there
[00:36] <kiko> bdmurray, the From: tells you who did it right?
[00:37] <bdmurray> kiko: Nope, but it says in the body
[00:37] <kiko> bdmurray, oh
[01:17] <emgent> kiko: have you time for open one mailinglist for rapache-devel team ?
[01:17] <emgent> launchpad question is up
[01:18] <kiko> emgent, I don't know how to do that -- barry does though :)
[01:18] <emgent> cool :P
[01:19] <kiko> I think he's away though
[01:19] <kiko> bummer!
[01:24] <LaserJock> pfft, you mean LP devs aren't around 24x7??
[01:53] <just_a_nick> hello everyone. Im having trouble my open pgp key. Does anyone know how to solve this?
[02:51] <just_a_nick> Hello everyone. I have just uploaded my pgp key but i cant decrypt the mail launchpad sent me. Can someone help me?
[02:57] <rockstar> just_a_nick, what mail client are you using?
[02:59] <just_a_nick> hotmail, but i tried evolution
[02:59] <just_a_nick> it tells me my key is incorrect
[03:06] <just_a_nick> i have solved the problem. I had to use my passphrase instead of my key to decrypt
[03:06] <just_a_nick> thank you anyway rockstar
[03:07] <rockstar> just_a_nick, you're actually using your passphrase AND your key...
[03:09] <just_a_nick> well. I just had to write my passphrase for firegpg to decrypt it
[08:07] <Erick> hey i have a question
[08:08] <Erick> how do i become a member from the ubuntu translater team?
[10:03] <jafo> I made a commit to my bzr branch and then tried "bzr push lp:python-memcached", but it's failing with "transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()".  I can't find instructions on how I'm supposed to push on the launchpad site.
[10:04] <mwhudson> jafo: bzr launchpad-login
[10:04] <jafo> Thanks.
[10:05] <mwhudson> jafo: newer bzrs will suggest this
[10:05] <mwhudson> jafo: you can find newer bzrs in the ~bzr ppa, fwiw
[10:08] <jafo> Yeah, just had to "bzr launchpad-login jafo", then I could push.  THanks.
[10:11] <mwhudson> np
[10:50] <Daviey> Hi, is it possible to delete a package from PPA, and unmark a previous build as superseeded?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> Daviey: you can delete and upload of newer version will mark it superseeded once build finishes
[11:35] <gnomefreak> s/will/should
[11:38] <Daviey> gnomefreak: seems wasteful to rebuild just for the sake of it, but mkay - thanks
[11:38] <wgrant> Daviey: One isn't meant to delete packages to regress the version.
[11:38] <wgrant> That is very, very bad.
[11:38] <Daviey> wgrant: why?
[11:38] <wgrant> Daviey: Upgrades.
[11:38] <wgrant> Or lack thereof.
[11:39] <Daviey> wgrant: It was a trunk build that didn't build cleanly, so reverted to latest release.
[11:39] <Daviey> so that is why i want to revert to a superseeded package
[11:39] <wgrant> You shouldn't do that.
[11:39] <wgrant> You need to upload a new version.
[11:40] <wgrant> Or nobody can upgrade.
[11:41] <Daviey> rather, i mean the trunk build failed - so nobody would have grabbed the debs
[11:41] <wgrant> Why wouldn't they>?
[11:41] <Daviey> how could they?
[11:41] <wgrant> If they use your PPA, they will have them.
[11:41] <wgrant> Oh.
[11:41] <wgrant> I see.
[11:41] <wgrant> It all failed, OK.
[11:41] <Daviey> yeah. i didn't make that very clear.
[11:42] <wgrant> Well, it's highly evil and shouldn't be done.
[11:42] <wgrant> But there is a way to do it.
[11:42] <wgrant> Delete the new package.
[11:42] <Daviey> done
[11:42] <wgrant> And copy the old one to the right distroseries.
[11:42] <Daviey> hmm
[11:42]  * Daviey investigates
[11:44] <Daviey> wgrant: that worked, you sir rock.  thanks
[11:44] <wgrant> np
[13:39] <RainCT> hi
[13:39] <RainCT> Is there some problem with bazaar.launchpad.net? (I've done a commit several minutes ago and it hasn't showed up yet :S).
[13:41] <Peng> What about now?
[13:42] <Peng> I don't think a delay of a few minutes is abnormal.
[13:42] <RainCT> Still not there. I've been waiting for at least 10 minutes now.
[13:42] <Peng> Oh.
[13:43] <RainCT> actually, even more. I pushed at 14:27
[13:43] <RainCT> and now again (a new commit) at 14:42
[13:45] <RainCT> (branch is: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~revu-hackers/revu/trunk/)
[13:47] <Peng> What if you "bzr log -r -1 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~revu-hackers/revu/trunk/"?
[13:49] <RainCT> Peng: it shows info for the first commit, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15986/plain/
[13:49] <Peng> RainCT: Look at https://code.launchpad.net/~revu-hackers/revu/trunk . It says there's an error.
[13:50] <Peng> RainCT: I said "-1", the most recent revision, not "1".
[13:50] <Peng> RainCT: FWIW, I get r217, which is from a couple hours ago, I think.
[13:51] <RainCT> yes, it should be at 219 though. What does that error mean?
[13:51] <RainCT> -1 shows commit 217
[13:51] <Peng> RainCT: Uhh. It means one of the most recent revisions isn't entirely there.
[13:52] <Peng> RainCT: Also, it's locked.
[13:52] <Peng> RainCT: Your connection or bzr died while pushing.
[13:53] <RainCT> oh. bzr pull says "No revisions to pull"
[13:53] <RainCT> nvm
[13:53] <Peng> Err, never mind about the lock thing.
[13:53] <Peng> My mistake.
[13:54] <RainCT> argh.. just did pull --overwrite instead of push -.-
[13:54] <Peng> Oops.
[13:54] <RainCT> well, still have most files open
[13:54] <Peng> The revisions are still in your local repository; use the "bzr heads" plugin to find them, then "bzr pull -r revid:...".
[13:55] <Peng> Wait, "bzr pull -r revid:whatever ."
[13:55] <mwhudson> Revision<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not present in "KnitVersionedFile(file:///srv/bazaar.launchpad.net/push-branches/00/00/05/60/.bzr/repository/knits/69/%2543onfig.py-20060622101809-5d8e0d685e1ba48a)".
[13:55] <mwhudson> something broked
[13:55] <mwhudson> i guess pushing again will help
[13:58]  * mwhudson is asleep though
[14:00] <RainCT> re-pushed.. let's see if it comes up now
[14:01] <Peng> Says the same thing, but like
[14:01] <Peng> I said, I think it can take a couple minutes to update.
[14:01]  * Peng waits.
[14:02] <Peng> RainCT: Also, you haven't upgraded to packs yet? Eww.
[14:03] <RainCT> Peng: dunno.. isn't my branch :P
[14:04] <Peng> If you can write to it, you could. People may not notice. :P
[14:05] <RainCT> lol. looks bad, the revisions are still not there.
[14:06] <Peng> RainCT: Try a push --overwrite.
[14:06] <RainCT> just tried that; «No new revisions to push.»
[14:11] <RainCT> bzr co lp:revu doesn't work - http://paste.ubuntu.com/15989/plain/ - but break-lock doesn't show any locks
[14:13] <Peng> Yeah, that was the mistake I made. I'm pretty sure that warning just means that while the server was working, it let something be implicitly unlocked when it was garbage collected instead of doing it explicitly.
[14:16] <RainCT> ah, but lp:revu is another branch anyway
[14:17] <RainCT> (uhm.. but same problem with revu-hackers/revu/trunk)
[14:20] <RainCT> got ride of the warning on LP doing: uncommit; uncommit; push --overwrite;
[14:20] <RainCT> first commit up..
[14:22] <RainCT> and the second one broke it again o_O
[14:23] <RainCT> brb
[14:25] <kiko> RainCT, what bzr are you using?
[14:38] <RainCT> kiko: 1.3.1
[14:54] <highvoltage> howdy
[14:55] <highvoltage> any admins around?
[14:55] <highvoltage> I get an error when I try to checkout the planet ubuntu configuration files. Seems like a lock issue, would this be the right place to ask about that?
[14:56] <Hobbsee> highvoltage: you need to use a later version of bzr, iirc.
[14:56] <kiko> RainCT, you might want to upgrade..
[14:56] <kiko> highvoltage, what version of bzr?
[14:59] <highvoltage> jonathan@sawdust:~$ apt-cache show bzr | grep Version
[14:59] <highvoltage> Version: 1.3.1-1
[14:59] <highvoltage> Python-Version: 2.4, 2.5
[14:59] <highvoltage> Hobbsee, kiko: ^^^
[14:59] <kiko> old
[14:59] <kiko> upgrade
[14:59] <highvoltage> oh wow. thanks.
[15:00] <Hobbsee> newer version is in backports.  can't cherry pick the fix (patch doesn't apply)
[15:00] <Hobbsee> so doesn't qualify for a SRU
[15:00] <kiko> Hobbsee, what release is that?
[15:00] <kiko> Hobbsee, we could ask martin to sort this out for us if you like
[15:02] <Hobbsee> oh, interesting.  they did mangle it to apply.
[15:02] <Hobbsee> kiko: looks like a working version should be in hardy-proposed
[15:02] <highvoltage> Hobbsee: ok thanks, for a moment there I thought I haven't installed all my security updates
[15:02] <highvoltage> hmm, can't find it in backports either. perhaps the local mirror still needs to update. I'll try again later.
[15:05] <Hobbsee> does'nt look in backports.  i requested that jdong fixed it.
[15:05] <Hobbsee> i wonder if it's sitting in a queue somewhere
[15:06] <highvoltage> aaah
[15:06] <highvoltage> kiko: where did you get the newer version from? from source?
[15:06] <Hobbsee> highvoltage: it's in intrepid
[15:07] <highvoltage> aah
[15:07] <highvoltage> bit early for me to be installing things from intrepid. I guess I can just make an intrepid chroot for that.
[15:07] <kiko> highvoltage, you can pull from the bzr ppa I bet
[15:07] <RainCT> highvoltage: the .deb is also on http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/bzr
[15:08] <highvoltage> yay \o/
[15:08] <Hobbsee> hmm, not stuck in a queue
[15:09] <highvoltage> what the heck, I'll just install it from intrepid
[15:10] <laga> did the bzr guys again change their repo format?
[15:11] <kiko> no
[15:21] <zyx386_> hi
[15:21] <zyx386_> how can contact to nickolay from wordpress team in launchpad
[15:22] <zyx386_> the email isn't correct
[15:22] <zyx386_> ?
[15:22] <zyx386_> Nikolay Bachiyski
[15:24] <RainCT> zyx386_: I don't think the LP team is allowed to tell people non-public data about other users
[15:25] <zyx386_> RainCT, this nickolay is group owner most answer me
[15:26] <zyx386_> we translate some text in wordpress translation
[15:26] <zyx386_> some one can register and edit our translation
[15:26] <zyx386_> i send 10 emails but no answer
[15:27] <zyx386_> and wher make our team under Filter???
[15:27] <zyx386_> http://amanj86.googlepages.com/wordpress.PNG
[15:27] <zyx386_> anyone answer me?????
[15:29] <RainCT> zyx386_: so your problem is that you want to change the group's configuration so that only approved people can change translations on the wordpress project, but the project's owner doesn't answer?
[15:29] <zyx386_> yes
[15:29] <RainCT> zyx386_: are you a WP dev?
[15:30] <zyx386_> no
[15:30] <zyx386_> but iam member from ubuntu in kurdish and creator from worpress in kurdish
[15:31] <RainCT> zyx386_: well, then tell some WP developer to ask the LP guys and they might transfer project ownership to him
[15:31] <RainCT> (or just wait for a reply from some LP guy as they might tell you something else)
[15:31] <zyx386_> i send the email to nickolay the group qwner
[15:31] <zyx386_> he anser first time
[15:32] <zyx386_> contact to kurdish team in wordpress
[15:32] <zyx386_> :)
[15:32] <zyx386_> i am creator from wordpress in kurdish, what you talking abut :)
[15:33] <RainCT> well dunno just wait for some LP guy to answer then
[15:34] <zyx386_> ok thanx
[15:35] <RainCT> yw
[15:41] <RainCT> argh.. still the same problem with bzr 1.5-1
[15:41] <RainCT> @ kiko, Peng
[15:42] <kiko> RainCT, that's pretty weird.
[15:42] <kiko> RainCT, locally the branch works fine?
[15:42] <RainCT> yes
[15:42] <kiko> but when pushing it corrupts?
[15:43] <RainCT> right. and the revision hasn't any big change nor anything.. just a new file and some plain text changes (http://paste.ubuntu.com/15995/)
[15:43] <kiko> hmmm
[15:43] <kiko> plain text changes you say?
[15:43] <kiko> RainCT, and it's reproducible, always when pushing that specific revision?
[15:43] <RainCT> yes
[15:44] <RainCT> ie, pushing rev 218 worked
[15:44] <kiko> RainCT, can you tar the whole branch up and save it for tomorrow when I can get jml to look at it?
[15:44] <kiko> also capture the error message and save it
[15:44] <kiko> RainCT, now, if you commit something else and push, does it work?
[15:45] <RainCT> no. bzr push doesn't complain, but it won't come up on LP
[15:45] <Peng> RainCT: Are you pushing over bzr+ssh or sftp? Try the other.
[15:45] <RainCT> bzr+ssh
[15:46] <RainCT> kiko: should I mail it to you?
[15:46] <kiko> RainCT, no, but if you can hang on to it until tomorrow jml can look at it
[15:46] <kiko> (my link is painfully slow)
[15:47] <Peng> RainCT: Also, try pushing to a different location (another server, or lp:~rainct/+junk/test) or something.
[15:53] <RainCT> no luck with sftp
[15:55] <Peng> You broked it!
[15:55] <Peng> I'm out, then.
[15:55] <Peng> Perhaps #bzr could help.
[16:51] <highvoltage> kiko: I get the same problem with the new bzr :/
[16:51] <kiko> highvoltage, so does RainCT :-/
[16:51] <kiko-afk> I need to run off
[16:51] <kiko-afk> will bbiab
[16:51] <highvoltage> ok
[16:53] <fredreichbier> Hello. is it possible to make a 'quicklink' on a file on the newest revision? e.g. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gestikk/gestikk/main/annotate/jonas%40dauerbaustelle-20080525093253-w0idrwcoseco2bs2?file_id=netwm.py-20080523101630-ztjme5cgsi0ygq4m-1 -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gestikk/gestikk/main/gestikk/netwm.py (doesn't work)?
[17:33] <andrea-bs> can I send e-mails to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:12] <RainCT> argh is that netsplit annoying :P
[21:47] <marnanel> I should be able to find this, I'm sure... I have a project which LP knows about but it doesn't use LP's code (it uses Google Code); is there a simple way to import svn history into LP and make it the code for my project?
[21:47] <marnanel> Or should I be asking this on LP help?
[21:49] <beuno> marnanel, you can requst LP to mirror the SVN branch in bzr
[21:50] <beuno> I believe you have to open a question requesting it, but I haven't done if before, so I can't say for sure
[21:50] <beuno> the usual LP admins are probably waway today
[21:51] <beuno> I'd file a question with all the relevant information, and go from there
[21:52] <marnanel> beuno: thanks, aweseom
[21:52] <kiko-afk> marnanel, you can create a new code import: https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImports
[21:52] <marnanel> also awesome
[21:54] <marnanel> kiko-afk: I don't want to mirror it, though, I want to stop using svn
[21:55] <kiko-afk> marnanel, ah. you are a wise man. but you can mirror first and then use that as your basis for your new branch
[21:55] <kiko-afk> or you can do a one-time conversion
[21:55] <marnanel> oh, good point
[21:55] <kiko-afk> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+faq/26
[21:56]  * marnanel goes to play with this
[21:56] <kiko-afk> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+faq/24
[21:56] <marnanel> ooh, I must  have missed that-- thanks
[21:56] <kiko-afk> marnanel, if you set up your source details I might be able to kick it off before I leave in some 20 mins
[21:56] <kiko-afk> upstairs and will brb
[22:00] <beuno> ah, there you go, the ever-present kiko-afk :)
[22:25] <kiko-afk> marnanel, so, what do you think
[22:50] <emgent> heya
[22:50] <danshearer> 'evening all
[22:51] <danshearer> last time I was here people helped me get my first project up (and thankyou all kindly)
[22:51] <danshearer> now I'd like to be unconfused about something else
[22:52] <danshearer> I have read about the difference between a product and a project
[22:52] <danshearer> now I hear that maybe in practice product==project and there is a new category, superproject
[22:52] <danshearer> however "superproject" is not a designation ever seen, it is just a label people talk about IRL
[22:53] <danshearer> and a superproject can have multiple child projects (which cannot themselves have child projects.)
[22:53] <danshearer> is this approximately correct?
[22:55] <danshearer> s/supergroup/project group/
[23:06] <danshearer> another, very different topic... where do the administrators of ubuntu.com hang out? I've got a nice error msg to report
[23:07] <danshearer> found it.
[23:07] <danshearer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+filebug
[23:07] <danshearer> all roads lead to launchpad :-)
[23:30] <maix> is it possible that a user who has the name i'd like to have on launchpad is deleted (he has not done anything on launchpad yet)
[23:47] <wgrant> danshearer: A project group (proper name for a superproject) has no projecty attributes of its own other than a description, title, and that sort of thing. It can contain normal projects. For example, 'launchpad-project' is a project group.
[23:47] <wgrant> It cannot have bugs or blueprints or similar created on it.
[23:56] <zyx386> hi
[23:56] <zyx386> is anyone her from launchpad?
[23:57] <zyx386> we have abig problem in our language translatio  in wordpress project
[23:57] <zyx386> ever one can register and edit our text
[23:57] <zyx386> ???


[12:02] <thekorn> hi,
[12:02] <thekorn> is it still possible to add an application to the blacklist of apps which should not be maximised?
[12:03] <thekorn> for UNR karmic that is
[12:04] <thekorn> if, so, it would be cool if someone could add gtk-recordMyDesktop
[12:24] <lool> thekorn: Could you file a bug?
[12:24] <lool> thekorn: It's easy to add it to the blacklist, yes
[12:25] <lool> thekorn: I need the output of "xprop |grep -i class" (click on the target window)
[12:35] <thekorn> lool: ok, I'm going to file a bug now, which target? maximus?
[12:50] <thekorn> lool: I just opened bug 455395 for this, thanks
[13:16] <lool> thekorn: Uploaded; in queue
[13:17] <thekorn> lool: great, thanks


[00:12] <Dustin_> ScottL: i got network manager and managed to connect to the network, but it keeps disconnected and reconnecting me about every 10 seconds
[00:13] <ScottL> Dustin_, hmmm, that i'm not so sure about, you might ask around on #ubuntu
[00:14] <ScottL> Dustin_, i use a wired connection and plug into a router so it handles DHCP and i don't need to configure gnome-network-admin so it already works for me
[00:15] <ScottL> therefore i don't know much about network-manager except how to get a ubuntu studio installation to install it
[00:15] <ScottL> you can also try the application wicd if you can manage a network connection at all
[05:20] <rebirth> i forgot to click to include the ubuntu studio software when i installed. is there anyway to install it all at once now?
[05:22] <holstein>  hey rebirth
[05:22] <holstein> there are a few meta packages
[05:22] <holstein> if you go to synaptic
[05:22] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[05:22] <holstein> you should see them, and be able to read about them
[05:23] <holstein> OR
[05:24] <holstein> you can do sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins ubuntustudio-graphics
[05:25] <holstein> !vanilla
[05:25] <holstein> the packages are listed there
[05:25] <rebirth> thanks
[05:25] <holstein> :)
[05:26] <rebirth> ubottu: this is ubuntu studio, just not with any of the software, that is different than vanilla ubuntu no?
[05:26] <holstein> ubottu is a bot
[05:26] <rebirth> i see
[05:26] <holstein> rebirth: the packages are all the same
[05:26] <holstein> same repos
[05:29] <holstein> i did it that way
[05:29] <holstein> last time i installed
[05:30] <holstein> i was installing maverick to test
[05:30] <holstein> and the installer was failing
[05:30] <holstein> SO i waited and installed the meta-packages later
[05:52] <rebirth> i think i will just install them one by one and get to know them that way
[05:53] <holstein> sure
[05:53] <holstein> you doing audio?
[05:53] <holstein> mostly?
[05:53] <rebirth> yeah
[05:53] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[05:53] <holstein> theres a must-haves section there
[05:54] <holstein> JACK is the trick
[05:54] <holstein> have you used JACK yet?
[05:55] <rebirth> is Ardour better than Audacity?
[05:55] <rebirth> no
[05:55] <holstein> hmmm
[05:55] <holstein> i think it is
[05:55] <holstein> but they are really just different
[05:56] <rebirth> oh yeah.. Ardour is more of a sequencer i guess
[05:56] <rebirth> i'm going to install that one
[05:56] <holstein> you might be interested in http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/
[05:56] <holstein> theres an IRC channel too
[05:56] <holstein> #opensourcemusicians
[05:56] <holstein> ardour doesnt do MIDI yet
[05:57] <holstein> it will very soon :)
[05:57] <holstein> ardour is more of a multitrack DAW
[05:57] <holstein> and ardour is more for editing a single audio file
[05:57] <holstein> you can use both for either though
[05:58] <rebirth> you mean audacity is more for editing a single audio file?
[05:58] <holstein> i call audacity a gateway drug :)
[05:58] <holstein> rebirth: YEHA
[05:58] <holstein> yeah*
[05:58] <holstein> woops
[05:58] <holstein> and audacity is more for editing a single audio file**
[05:58] <rebirth> i'm just going to be recording some accoustic guitar and vocals, but i may want to add software instrument tracks alter
[05:58] <holstein> ^^
[05:58] <rebirth> later*
[05:59] <holstein> i say, go with what works at first
[05:59] <holstein> audacity is easy
[05:59] <holstein> but JACK + ardour
[05:59] <rebirth> i need to learn about JACK
[05:59] <holstein> is quite full featured
[05:59] <holstein> jack is great
[06:00] <holstein> you got it installed?
[06:00] <rebirth> no
[06:00] <rebirth> *doing now*
[06:00] <holstein> apt-get it if you want
[06:00] <holstein> and i'll try and help you get it running
[06:01] <rebirth> sudo apt-get jack?
[06:01] <rebirth> (i'm pretty new to linux in general)
[06:02] <holstein> no worries
[06:02]  * holstein looking
[06:02] <holstein> i think you need jackd
[06:02] <holstein> try
[06:02] <holstein> sudo apt-get install jackd
[06:02] <holstein> YEAH
[06:02] <holstein> thats it
[06:04] <rebirth> done
[06:04] <holstein> cool
[06:04] <holstein> SO
[06:04] <holstein> in the audio section
[06:04] <holstein> you should see jack control?
[06:04] <holstein> or qjackctl
[06:05] <rebirth> launched it
[06:05] <holstein> cool
[06:05] <holstein> look at
[06:05] <holstein> http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[06:05] <holstein> so we can talk about the screenshots
[06:05] <holstein> and i know we are looking at the same thing :)
[06:05] <holstein> you should see the very first picture
[06:06] <holstein> thats what should launch
[06:06] <holstein> thats qjackctl
[06:06] <holstein> "jack control"
[06:06] <holstein> this is kind of a GUI front-end to run JACK
[06:06] <rebirth> yeah
[06:06] <holstein> SO
[06:07] <holstein> click on 'set-up'
[06:07] <rebirth> ok
[06:07] <holstein> that should get you to the 2nd picture
[06:07] <holstein> on that link
[06:07] <holstein> rebirth: is this your internal soundcard?
[06:07] <rebirth> no i'm using an maudio ozone
[06:07] <holstein> do you have an external interface?
[06:07] <holstein> AH
[06:08] <holstein> USB right?
[06:08] <rebirth> yup
[06:08] <holstein> open a terminal
[06:08] <holstein> and run lsusb
[06:09] <holstein> and see if you see it there
[06:09] <rebirth> i see it
[06:09] <rebirth> it's been working for playing music in amarok so far
[06:09] <holstein> AH
[06:09] <holstein> good :)
[06:10] <holstein> that means it should work with JACK then
[06:10] <holstein> SO
[06:10] <holstein> in that setup window
[06:10] <holstein> you see the driver section
[06:10] <holstein> that should already be set to alsa
[06:10] <holstein> the entry for 'interface'
[06:11] <rebirth> ahh yes
[06:11] <holstein> to the right of hw:0 or whatever
[06:11] <holstein> theres a little dropdown menu
[06:11] <holstein> you should look there
[06:11] <holstein> and see if you seed the ozone
[06:11] <holstein> if you dont
[06:11] <holstein> we might have to get some more advanced techs in here ;)
[06:11] <rebirth> wait, the drop down menu next to interface or the > next to it?
[06:12] <holstein> the ">"
[06:12] <holstein> but look in both
[06:12] <holstein> im not sure
[06:12] <holstein> i have a firewire interface
[06:12] <holstein> and its different
[06:12] <rebirth> fyi, in amarak the audio settings are set to "pulse audio"
[06:12] <rebirth> that seemed to make it work
[06:13] <holstein> still should work with JACK
[06:13] <holstein> AFAIK
[06:13] <rebirth> i have the options: "hw: 0" "plughw: 0" "/dev/audio" and "dev/dsp"
[06:14] <holstein> hmmm
[06:14] <holstein> well, you could just try them all
[06:14] <holstein> and see if one is the ozone
[06:14] <holstein> but i think it would say
[06:14] <rebirth> it's set to default now
[06:14] <holstein> i have an maudio transit
[06:15] <holstein> and it says in the '>' menu
[06:15] <holstein> maudio something obvious
[06:16] <rebirth> oh, in the > menu it says ozone!
[06:17] <rebirth> as "hw:1"
[06:17] <holstein> AH
[06:17] <holstein> that should be it then
[06:17]  * holstein is google-ing
[06:17] <holstein> it looks like the ozone should work fine
[06:17] <holstein> SO
[06:18] <holstein> now you got the driver and device chosen
[06:18] <holstein> there are a couple other settings there
[06:18] <rebirth> alsa is the driver right?
[06:18] <holstein> yeah
[06:18] <holstein> thats the one you should try first
[06:18] <holstein> do you have the real time kernel?
[06:19] <rebirth> ermm
[06:19] <holstein> run uname -a
[06:19] <holstein> in the terminal
[06:19] <holstein> it'll say -RT or -generic somewhere
[06:19] <rebirth> rt
[06:19] <holstein> cool
[06:20] <holstein> theres a realtime checkbox
[06:20] <holstein> you can check that
[06:20] <rebirth> what does that mean exactly?
[06:20] <holstein> if its unchecked
[06:20] <holstein> realtime?
[06:20] <rebirth> yeah
[06:20] <holstein> just priority
[06:20] <holstein> can help you get lower latency
[06:20] <holstein> SAY
[06:20] <holstein> you got you guitar plugged in
[06:21] <holstein> and you want effects
[06:21] <rebirth> realtime is checked already
[06:21] <rebirth> will mic work?
[06:21] <holstein> there could be a couple miliseconds
[06:21] <holstein> between when you hit the string
[06:21] <rebirth> oh i see
[06:21] <holstein> and when you hear the effected sound
[06:21] <holstein> the RT stuff can help
[06:21] <rebirth> cool
[06:21] <holstein> yeah
[06:21] <holstein> OK
[06:22] <holstein> you see frames/period
[06:22] <holstein> and periods/buffer
[06:22] <rebirth> it says my latency is 46.4 msecs btw
[06:22] <holstein> those are the settings that we tweak
[06:22] <holstein> usually
[06:22] <rebirth> yeah i see em
[06:22] <holstein> if you change those
[06:23] <holstein> you'll see the latency change
[06:23] <holstein> you dont need to go crazy with the settings
[06:23] <holstein> i would leave it at 46 for now
[06:23] <holstein> and just know that you can tweak if you need lower latency
[06:23] <rebirth> which?
[06:23] <holstein> 46.4 ms
[06:23] <holstein> just what you got
[06:23] <rebirth> oh gotcha
[06:23] <holstein> whatever the settings are
[06:24] <holstein> SO, hit OK
[06:24] <holstein> and then close that or whatever
[06:24] <holstein> and go back to the main qjack panel
[06:24] <holstein> and hit start
[06:24] <rebirth> ok
[06:24] <holstein> and see if it runs :)
[06:24] <rebirth> uh oh error
[06:25] <holstein> yeah
[06:25] <holstein> hehe
[06:25] <rebirth> could not connect to JACK server as client
[06:25] <holstein> SO
[06:25] <holstein> close qjack
[06:25] <holstein> open a terminal and run
[06:25] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[06:25] <holstein> and try starting it again
[06:26] <rebirth> no error this time
[06:26] <holstein> OK
[06:26] <holstein> so hit the stop button
[06:26] <holstein> and close that
[06:27] <holstein> and lets check some permissions
[06:27] <holstein> run sudo adduser rebirth audio
[06:27] <holstein> OR
[06:27] <holstein> whatever your username is ^^^
[06:27] <rebirth> uh, i was playing music in amarok and after i quit jack it started playing agian but it was all distored lol
[06:27] <holstein> the user your logged in as
[06:27] <holstein> lol
[06:28] <holstein> yeah, pulse-to-JACK
[06:28] <holstein> thats a whole different thing
[06:28] <holstein> it can be done though
[06:28] <holstein> i just havnet really needed it
[06:29] <rebirth> so i'll need to reconfigure amarok to use jack also?
[06:29] <holstein> not sure
[06:29] <holstein> for now
[06:29] <rebirth> ok let me do the last step
[06:29] <holstein> think of JACK as a patchbay
[06:30] <holstein> and something that you dont really use casually
[06:31] <rebirth> it says i'm already a member of audio
[06:31] <holstein> dammit
[06:31] <holstein> hmmm
[06:31] <holstein> its a permissions issue
[06:31] <holstein> because it runs sudo
[06:36] <holstein> rebirth: did you add yourself to that group after install?
[06:36] <rebirth> never ran that command before
[06:36] <holstein> i thought ubuntu just came that way
[06:36] <holstein> hmmm
[06:37] <rebirth> if i want to be a member of that group than what's the problem?
[06:37] <holstein> if you already are, then its something else
[06:38] <holstein> rebirth: do me a favour
[06:38] <holstein> log out and back in
[06:38] <rebirth> reboot?
[06:38] <holstein> you can if you want
[06:38] <holstein> but just logging out will do
[06:38] <holstein> just in case
[06:38] <rebirth> ok brb
[06:40] <rebirth> holstein: i am back
[06:41] <holstein> rebirth: try qjack again
[06:41] <holstein> as a normal user
[06:41] <holstein> and see if it starts
[06:41] <holstein> without error
[06:41] <rebirth> sorry, how do i do that again?
[06:41] <holstein> lauch jack control
[06:41] <holstein> and hit the start button
[06:42] <rebirth> no didn't start
[06:42] <holstein> hmmm
[06:44] <rebirth> can i leave the group and rejoin it?
[06:44] <holstein> sure
[06:44] <holstein> but you dont need to
[06:44] <rebirth> i was wondering if that would fix it
[06:46] <holstein> OK
[06:47] <holstein> you'll have to log out again BUT
[06:47] <holstein> add yourself to the disk group
[06:47] <holstein> sudo adduser *you* disk
[06:47] <holstein> maybe that is needed to access USB devices
[06:48] <rebirth> do that now?
[06:48] <holstein> yeah
[06:48] <rebirth> sudo adduser <username> disk
[06:49] <holstein> its not going to hurt anything either way
[06:49] <holstein> my USB device just worked
[06:49] <holstein> but i had already added myself to the disk group
[06:49] <rebirth> done.
[06:49] <holstein> try it again
[06:49] <rebirth> ok
[06:49] <holstein> and then you can logout
[06:49] <holstein> if it fails
[06:50] <holstein> and back in
[06:50] <rebirth> failed
[06:50] <rebirth> ok brb againm
[06:53] <rebirth> holstein: still failed :-(
[06:54] <holstein> dammit
[06:54] <holstein> well
[06:54] <holstein> run sudo qjackctl
[06:54] <holstein> and let me show you something
[06:54] <holstein> and you can go to #jack
[06:54] <holstein> or try here again
[06:54] <holstein> sometime tomorrow maybe
[06:54] <holstein> when smarter folk are around
[06:54] <holstein> im sure its something easy
[06:55] <rebirth> huh it failed as sudo
[06:55] <holstein> OH
[06:55] <holstein> but it ran earlier right?
[06:55] <rebirth> yeah
[06:57] <holstein> rebirth: im fading :/
[06:57] <holstein> i dont want to leave you hanging
[06:57] <holstein> but its late
[06:57] <rebirth> no it's alright
[06:57] <holstein> you gonna be around tomorrow nite?
[06:57] <rebirth> thanks for you help i'll try to jack channel
[06:57] <holstein> im around about this time usually
[06:58] <rebirth> yeah
[06:58] <holstein> and the guys in #opensourcemusicians really helped me a lot
[06:58] <rebirth> i've got enough to play with now anyway
[06:58] <holstein> good luck
[06:58] <rebirth> thanks man
[06:58]  * holstein to bed :)
[06:58] <holstein> laterx
[06:59] <rebirth> nite
[07:00] <rebirth> i looked in the msg log and it said something about realtime
[07:00] <rebirth> so i disabled realtime and it worked
[07:00] <rebirth> if you are still there
[07:00] <rebirth> holstein
[15:29] <karan> i wanna put studio on 10.10
[16:48] <fbxxkl> howdy everyone.  Anyone have experience with Devede?  I am having trouble when I turn video's to dvd iso
[17:02] <holstein> fbxxkl: im not familiar
[17:02] <holstein> but what is the trouble?
[17:11] <fbxxkl> well when I turn my avi/mkv files into ISO's about halfway through the movies video and audio becomes a bit out of sync
[17:13] <fbxxkl> holstein: ^^
[17:13] <holstein> i had that issue
[17:14] <holstein> in windows
[17:14] <holstein> and i havnet gotten around to doing any video in linux yet
[17:14] <holstein> well, anything to speak of
[17:15] <holstein> i read several interesting posts about it
[17:15] <holstein> back then
[17:15] <holstein> you could try and make sure you have similar settings for your audio and video encoders
[17:16] <fbxxkl> ah
[17:16] <fbxxkl> I will play aroudn with ti
[17:16] <fbxxkl> thanks
[17:16] <holstein> this is where i landed
[17:16] <holstein> in windows
[17:16] <holstein> http://www.virtualdub.org/
[17:16] <holstein> seemed to help
[17:16] <holstein> theres all kinds of info there
[17:17] <holstein> good luck
[17:17] <holstein> its a drag


[02:00] <wanderley> oi
[03:55] <lyan-hudsson> :o
[06:03] <nick__> hi i have lost my sudo password what do i do?
[06:04] <Astro7467> your sudo password is your password - so do you have auto-login enabled and now forgotten your password?
[06:07] <nick__> must be the case. i have a password to unlock when pc has been standing but it must be different
[06:07] <Astro7467> no - it is the same
[06:08] <Astro7467> the password prompt by sudo is a verification it's really you
[06:08] <nick__> but it does not work tells me to try again
[06:09] <Astro7467> capslock?
[06:10] <nick__> will try again
[06:13] <nick__> it worked
[06:13] <nick__> thanks
[06:13] <Astro7467> great - thanks for confirming back
[09:03] <peter__> hi all
[09:03] <peter__> my rpi 2 wont detect myhdmi sound
[09:03] <peter__> is there a reason or a fix
[09:04] <peter__> tried to edit config.tx with no luck
[11:03] <Guest57498> hallo ! folgendes problem: wie erstelle ich verknüpfungen auf dem desktop mit einer url? ziehen vom browser auf den desktop funktioniert manchmal, manchmal nicht. system: ubuntu-mate. danke für eure hilfe.
[13:40] <picaro1298> hi
[15:31] <mate|48727> hello
[15:32] <Akuli> hi
[15:32] <DarkPsydeLord> hi
[15:32] <mate|48727> i just installed ubuntu mate and i want to know how to install sl
[15:32] <Akuli> what is sl?
[15:32] <Akuli> the program that displays a train or something else?
[15:33] <mate|48727> it's an ASCII animation that appears in the terminal.
[15:33] <Akuli> oh that one
[15:33] <Akuli> yes
[15:33] <mate|48727> Of a train
[15:33] <Akuli> type sl to a terminal to get instructions :)
[15:34] <mate|48727> ok thanks
[15:34] <mate|48727> we tried sudo apt-get install sl
[15:34] <Akuli> should work
[15:36] <mate|48727> just realised that we're using 16,10, which uses apt instead of apt-get
[15:36] <Akuli> is apt-get gone?
[15:36] <Akuli> wow
[15:36] <DarkPsydeLord> you can use both
[15:36] <mate|48727> yep
[15:36] <mate|48727> no you cant
[15:37] <Akuli> i thought i could
[15:37] <DarkPsydeLord> i can
[15:37] <Akuli> in 16.10?
[15:37] <DarkPsydeLord> wait
[15:38] <Akuli> $ which apt-get
[15:38] <mate|48727> ???? still can't do it using apt.
[15:38] <mate|48727> hmm...
[15:38] <Akuli> do you get an error?
[15:38] <swright> I just installed in mate 16.04 without a problem
[15:38] <Akuli> great swright :)
[15:38] <DarkPsydeLord> mate 16.04
[15:38] <DarkPsydeLord> thats why
[15:39] <swright> I used:  sudo apt install sl
[15:39] <mate|48727> Should I install aptitude instead and try that?
[15:39] <DarkPsydeLord> noooo
[15:39] <DarkPsydeLord> did you get an error msg?
[15:39] <mate|48727> It just can't find it. 'Unable to locate package sl'
[15:39] <Akuli> wow
[15:40] <Akuli> oh i know whats wrong
[15:40] <Akuli> run this:   nc termbin.com 9999 < /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:40] <Akuli> i think you need to uncomment the place that sl comes from
[15:41] <mate|48727> and also are there any dyslexia settings for ubunto mate
[15:41] <mate|48727> my freind has been reading for me and i want some independence
[15:42] <swright> in mine, it looks like it pulled from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe
[15:42] <Akuli> yes, looks like its coming from universe
[15:42] <Akuli> mate|48727, i think ubuntu mate comes with a screen reader if you need it
[15:44] <swright> yes, on my 16.04, there is a screen reader.
[15:44] <swright> it's the orca package
[15:44] <mate|48727> Hello. 'Friend' on.
[15:44] <mate|48727> Back to sl...
[15:45] <Akuli> the termbin command should give you a link, can you copy-paste it here?
[15:46] <mate|48727> I have ubuntu mate 15.10 installed on my main computer and it works fine
[15:46] <Akuli> mate|48727, run this:   sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:47] <mate|48727> K.
[15:47] <Akuli> mate|48727, scroll down to where it talks about universe and remove # from beginning of the lines starting with deb and ending with universe
[15:56] <mate|48727> nope, still doesn't work
[15:56] <Akuli> you need to save that and run sudo apt-get update
[15:56] <mate|48727> no luck
[15:56] <Akuli> did you apt-get update?
[16:02] <callum_> hi im back
[16:02] <callum_> my freind had to go
[16:02] <Akuli> the guy with sl issues?
[16:02] <callum_> yep
[16:03] <callum_> how do i fix it
[16:03] <Akuli> did he run sudo apt-get update?
[16:04] <callum_> i will try it
[16:04] <Akuli> ok
[16:05] <callum_> ok it has done
[16:06] <Akuli> does sudo apt-get install sl work now?
[16:07] <callum_> yes
[16:07] <callum_> thx
[17:02] <ivancarry> Hey anyone who would tell me how to switch fully to linux... i know its bit out of topic but windows is starting to be pain for me... so are there any tips or common issues with a full time switch and tell me how to prevent them :)
[17:03] <Akuli> gaming and microsoft office are the first things i can think of
[17:03] <sixwheeledbeast> Just switch
[17:03] <Akuli> i would start with a dualboot to see how it goes
[17:03] <ivancarry> well ye but i made my way to run League and few steam games i like thats all i need
[17:03] <ivancarry> ye the ms office bothers me a bit ..
[17:04] <ivancarry> iam on a dual boot setup
[17:04] <sixwheeledbeast> I started with Ubuntu with all intention of dualbooting I never bothered and then ~10 years went by
[17:04] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't miss Windows for a second.
[17:04] <ivancarry> :) glad to hear that
[17:05] <ivancarry> well ye i was keeping dualboot for recovery reasons aswell
[17:05] <ivancarry> but for couple last weeks
[17:05] <Akuli> if you can't live without ms office you can't live without windows/osx
[17:05] <ivancarry> iam pretty much trying to get things done over here
[17:05] <ivancarry> isnt there a wine workaround?
[17:05] <Akuli> no, but you can usually use libreoffice
[17:06] <Akuli> i think some old 2007 ms office runs in wine
[17:06] <Akuli> but the latest version doesn't
[17:06] <ivancarry> ye ive been using it .. and its nice and fast and pretty capeble
[17:06] <ivancarry> ye i would be happy with 2k10
[17:06] <ivancarry> thats quite old i belive
[17:06] <ivancarry> 6years exactly lol xD
[17:06] <Akuli> try it under wine
[17:06] <Akuli> if it works then great, you can get rid of windows :)
[17:07] <sixwheeledbeast> I find Libreoffice fine and a lot of the time is compatible with >=2k10
[17:07] <ivancarry> also one more simple question... is guest session a danger to possible hostile? and should i pw protect grub?
[17:08] <sixwheeledbeast> Gaming is less of an issue with Steam becoming popular
[17:08] <ivancarry> yeh i very suprised
[17:09] <sixwheeledbeast> Sorry not sure what your asking there?
[17:09] <ivancarry> i play only three games... lol csgo and sometimes rocket league.. they work fine altho i can tell the difference in league..
[17:09] <ivancarry> ye i notcied that my question was wrongly asked
[17:09] <ivancarry> is a guest session a threat
[17:09] <ivancarry> ?
[17:09] <sixwheeledbeast> threat in what way?
[17:10] <ivancarry> like someone would be able to use it to acces some of my data.. or possibly mess with the system in any other way
[17:10] <ivancarry> for example if i would have an Hard drive connected they would be able to read it if iam right...
[17:11] <ivancarry> its a general ubuntu question ... i belive
[17:13] <sixwheeledbeast> Guest session is just a temporary disposable user from memory. I believe you can disable guest session if you are concerned. At least I have no Guest session option any more. It would depend on the permissions the user had, it's all configurable.
[17:18] <ivancarry> i did some simple config changes and its disabled.. but if i would run linux with this option accesable if it could cause any harm...
[17:18] <ivancarry> but as far as i remember there hasnt been any issues with it so its safe probably...
[18:52] <vlt> Hello. Any idea where this error message after each new login for every user could come from? http://imgur.com/nEL3GDF  It seems to be something bluetooth related which I don ahve or need.
[18:52] <vlt> *don't have
[18:56] <Akuli> does this get fixed if you remove blueman?
[18:56] <Akuli> sudo apt-get remove blueman
[21:11] <mate|11505> Akuli?
[21:11] <Akuli> yes?
[21:11] <mate|11505> If I remember correctly, you were trying to help out with sl.
[21:12] <mate|11505> Have I got the wrong person?
[21:12] <Akuli> yes, then your friend came here and i told him what to do
[21:12] <Akuli> or maybe someone just pretended your friend :)
[21:12] <mate|11505> Yeah, I am the friend.
[21:12] <Akuli> ok
[21:13] <mate|11505> I have a new issue for my personal computer.
[21:13] <Akuli> explain more :)
[21:13] <mate|11505> I have an installation of ubuntu mate that has been customised, version 15.10
[21:13] <Akuli> ok
[21:13] <mate|11505> I also have wbar installed.
[21:14] <mate|11505> I suddenly realized that i had no space left at all on the hdd.
[21:14] <mate|11505> I was wondering if there is any efficient way of freeing up some space...?
[21:15] <Akuli> first of all lets find out what's using it
[21:16] <Akuli> mate comes with a disk space usage analyzer, open that
[21:16] <mate|11505> Oh..
[21:16] <mate|11505> I'm using my windows 7 pc and the one with no disk space is upstairs and shut down at the mo.
[21:16] <Akuli> is it so out of space that you can't start it?
[21:17] <mate|11505> no.
[21:17] <vlt> Akuli: Yes, removing blueman seems to have solved this problem. Thank you!
[21:18] <mate|11505> On the DUA, it says something like....      /   100%.
[21:18] <Akuli> how about /home=
[21:18] <Akuli> ?
[21:18] <Akuli> how big % is /home out of /?
[21:18] <mate|11505> I think it was filling about 35%.
[21:19] <Akuli> ok
[21:19] <Akuli> to be honest i don't know how much space different things take
[21:19] <mate|11505> I tried bleachbit and apt-get autoremove, with no luck.
[21:19] <Akuli> $ sudo apt-get clean
[21:19] <Akuli> removes all apt's cached packages
[21:19] <mate|11505> Yup, tried that too.
[21:19] <Akuli> still full?
[21:19] <mate|11505> Yup.
[21:20] <Akuli> to be honest i have no idea how to check which packages are biggest
[21:20] <Akuli> do you have old kernels hanging around?
[21:21] <mate|11505> No, other than the windows 7 loader XD
[21:22] <Akuli> $ du -sh .cache
[21:22] <Akuli> how much stuff is there?
[21:23] <mate|11505> dunno, can't go up to check, I am busy
[21:23] <mate|11505> I just need a tip or summat.
[21:23] <Akuli> i'm out of ideas because i have no idea what is taking up that space
[21:23] <Akuli> you can ask on ##linux too
[21:24] <mate|11505> hmm...
[21:24] <vlt> Ok, next problem: How to troubleshoot a non working screen lock? When any user selects "lock screen" or presses ctrl+l the screen gets black but no password is needed to reactivate the desktop. What could be missing here?
[21:24] <mate|11505> I don't have anything I really need on it...
[21:24] <Akuli> mate|11505, oh right you need to register for ##linux
[21:24] <Akuli> vlt, there's a setting for that somewhere
[21:25] <mate|11505> How about I run $ sudo rm -rf /* --no-preserve-root
[21:25] <mate|11505> Bye, I'll fix it tommorow.
[21:25] <Akuli> lol
[21:26] <Akuli> vlt, let me run my panel in english and find it
[21:28] <vlt> Akuli: Thanks. (Mine runs in German if that helps ;-)
[21:29] <Akuli> vlt, system -> preferences -> screensaver
[21:29] <Akuli> vlt, check "lock screen when screensaver is active" :)
[21:30]  * vlt tries
[21:31] <vlt> Akuli: It already is.
[21:31] <Akuli> one way is to get rid of mate's screensaver altogether and just use bare xscreensaver instead
[21:32] <Nerina> I'd like to know if Wacom tablets will be supported on next version in July...
[21:33] <Nerina> Are supported but there is no GUI to configure them, from control panel!
[21:34] <Nerina> And there will be a 32bit version on next version? Or I'll be forced to install a new 64bit version directly?
[21:34] <vlt> Akuli: Mate runs in an XVnc/XRDP session here. Maybe a bare xscreensaver is too complicated here.
[21:34] <Akuli> too complicated?
[21:34] <Akuli> i was surprised by how easy xscreensaver was to set up
[21:36] <vlt> Akuli: I just thought that because the "real" X server is running on a different machine than the mate session ...
[21:37] <Akuli> i don't know
[21:39] <HoppingMadMan> I am guessing you will have to Nerina, because I do believe that  Ubuntu 17.04 will be only 64 bit.. But we will see the whole 64 bit only has made a lot of people mad
[21:40] <Akuli> i'm not going to install it then :)
[21:41] <HoppingMadMan> Yeah I am looking to move away from Ubuntu as my core and maybe go to something like Debian


[03:35] <bumblehead> I've been trying to build a node-webkit snap package and am wondering what the best strategy is...
[03:36] <bumblehead> should I build the node-webkit binary and in the yaml file put "command: bin/node path/to/nwbin"?
[03:38] <bumblehead> i would normally call "nw" from within the root directory of the package and there's a manifest file there which node webkit uses for its initialization
[03:39] <bumblehead> but doing the same with snappy is not simple. snappy does not let me 'cd' into the directory using something like this "command: cd && node nw"
[03:39] <bumblehead> so maybe a bash script that uses cd would be necessary? or maybe that's a bad way of doing it...
[03:39] <bumblehead> has anyone here done this?
[03:41] <bumblehead> and the node webkit produced binary is somewhat large --70mb
[03:41] <bumblehead> but my application is a small flashcard application
[03:41] <bumblehead> the source files are probably about ~30kb
[03:42] <bumblehead> maybe this "fine" I don't know
[04:10] <wililupy> Anyone else getting this error using ubuntu-device-flash building a core snappy image?
[04:10] <wililupy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16163489/
[04:11] <wililupy> This is the command I am using:
[04:12] <wililupy> sudo ./ubuntu-device-flash core 16 --channel=edge --kernel=canonical-pc-linux --gadget=canonical-pc --os=ubuntu-core -o snappy_amd64.img
[04:38] <bumblehead> it seems there's some permissions issue running the node webkit binary...
[04:39] <bumblehead> it would be terrific if a hello-world/todo-list example using nw.js or electron would be published
[04:40] <bumblehead> I'll need to give up on this task this I wasn't able to complete it today :(
[07:15] <slvn> Hello, my snap package is been reject because of "checksums do not match. Please ensure the snap is created with either 'snapcraft snap <DIR>' or 'mksquashfs <dir> <snap> -noappend -comp xz -all-root -no-xattrs' security-snap-v2_squashfs_repack_checksum"
[07:16] <slvn> but doing "snapcraft snap my_app" says "[Errno 2] No such file or directory: my_app/meta/snapcraft.yaml"
[07:16] <slvn> whereas doing "cd my_app; snapcraft snap" correctly make the snap package, which is working
[07:16] <slvn> any idea ?
[10:06] <pedronis> wililupy: how was that u-d-f built? where i comes from? it looks like a bug that was briefly on ubuntu-core/snappy master but now is fixed
[11:58] <pmp> In what way does the recent announcement of Marc's (et al) has influenced the status of a RPI2 snappy-image generation?
[11:59] <pmp> I'm asking this as currently I'm not able to build an image (since 3 weeks actually) with u-d-f for rpi (from ~mvo)
[12:04] <pmp> "failed to install "canonical-pi2" from "edge": cannot open snap: unknown header: "hsqs \x00 ..."
[15:39] <qengho_> slvn: Are you building with snapcraft on 16.04? What does "snapcraft -v" say?
[15:41] <slvn> qengho_,  yes this is snapcraft on 16.04, snapcraft -v says "2.8.4"
[15:42] <qengho_> slvn: Huh. How about "file *.snap", where you have a snap in curdir.
[15:44] <slvn> qengho_, it says "Squashfs filesystem, little endian, version 4.0, 8468182 bytes, 72 inodes, blocksize: 131072 bytes, created: Sun May  1 15:44:04 2016"
[15:44] <slvn> (I have just re-created it)
[15:45] <slvn> snap-review will fail with the message : "security-snap-v2:squashfs_repack_checksum"
[15:45] <slvn> "checksums do not match. Please ensure the snap is created with either 'snapcraft snap <DIR>' or 'mksquashfs <dir> <snap> -noappend -comp xz -all-root -no-xattrs'"
[15:48] <qengho_> slvn: I don't know. Could be a dozen things. There's a link at the bottom of the page. Report it as a bug. Someone will work it out, probably starting tomorrow.
[15:49] <slvn> qengho, np, I'll ask the question again tomorrow
[15:49] <qengho> Okay, but IRC is not a bug tracker.