[17:02] <mitya57> "let's put release target for Qt 5.12.10 20.10.2020" — from #qt-releases
[17:02] <mitya57> Oops, that's a different branch :)
[17:03] <mitya57> 5.15.2 was not discussed today, sorry for the noise


[12:35] <ryanpg> also, I'm getting this warning frequently when starting apps from the command line "GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon..."
[12:35] <Enverex> I used to get that, not seen it recently though
[12:37] <crimsun> ryanpg: make sure you're running -current- gutsy.
[12:37] <ryanpg> crimsun, I just did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade today
[12:39] <crimsun> you need to do it every hour sometime after 33 minutes past the hour.
[12:39] <ryanpg> this is my "gutsy" line in sources.list deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe multiverse
[12:39] <crimsun> updating once per day is insufficient
[12:39] <ryanpg> I don't think I'm missing anything, or am I?
[12:43] <ryanpg> crimsun, run firefox from the command line for me... tell me if you get that warning please?
[12:46] <crimsun> ryanpg: yes
[12:47] <ryanpg> I think it's due to having libglib2 debugging symbols installed perhaps
[12:48] <crimsun> no
[12:54] <ryanpg> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2007-January/msg00005.html
[01:16] <ryanpg> yay! apport finally ran (for some unknown reason)
[01:31] <shirish> ok can somebody tell me how can I use gmailfs?
[01:32] <shirish> when I try to install it , it says
[01:32] <shirish> sudo aptitude install gmailfs
[01:32] <shirish> Reading package lists... Done
[01:32] <shirish> Building dependency tree
[01:32] <shirish> Reading state information... Done
[01:32] <shirish> Reading extended state information
[01:32] <shirish> Initializing package states... Done
[01:32] <shirish> Building tag database... Done
[01:32] <shirish> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[01:32] <shirish> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:32] <shirish> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[01:32] <shirish> Writing extended state information... Done
[01:32] <shirish> which means it is already done
[01:32] <crdlb> !pastebin | shirish
[01:32] <ubotu> shirish: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:33] <shirish> thanx crdlb putting the large text there
[01:34] <shirish> crdlb: when I do aptitude show it shows me http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25799/
[01:34] <shirish> can somebody guide me what I need to do, so i can start seeing if it works or not?
[01:36] <gnomefreak> !gmailfs
[01:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gmailfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:36] <gnomefreak> damn
[01:36] <gnomefreak> there was a good how to on it
[01:37] <shirish> gnomefreak: how do I fuse-source to compile appropriate modules for my running kernel.
[01:37] <shirish> ah tht would have been cool
[01:37] <gnomefreak> shirish: alot of building you may not want to do
[01:37] <gnomefreak> shirish: theres a good simple guide im trying to find the person that wrote it
[01:37] <shirish> gnomefreak: true, if there is any way to avoid it that would be nice
[01:39] <shirish> in the meantime
[01:39] <shirish> very relaxing exercise ;)
[01:40] <DanaG> ooh: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/details.php?id=975
[01:41] <gnomefreak> shirish: you dont have to compile them
[01:41] <gnomefreak> shirish: http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem-installing.html
[01:41] <gnomefreak> DanaG: please stay on topic in here
[01:42] <Enverex> Ubuntu's kernel comes with fglrx in volatile by default, but if you build the ATi fglrx module with module-assistant it puts it in misc instead (so it doesn't work as it ends up loading the one from volatile which is the old one)
[01:43] <gnomefreak> Enverex: wait for new ones to get done. fglrx doesnt have support for 7.3 yet
[01:43] <shirish> gnomefreak: ok can we a private conversation to understand what I need to do about gmailfs or is this place ok?
[01:43] <Enverex> gnomefreak, Yes it does
[01:43] <Enverex> gnomefreak, As of 8.37
[01:43] <gnomefreak> Enverex: they released them in ubuntu?
[01:43] <gnomefreak> afaik they are not in ubuntu yet
[01:44] <Enverex> Of course not, Ubuntu doesn't seems incredibly slow on the uptake of new drivers, heh
[01:44] <Enverex> *-doesn't
[01:44] <gnomefreak> shirish: it tells you what to do in hte link
[01:45] <shirish> gnomefreak: I'm kinda new to this, hence it would be better to know before jumping :)
[01:45] <gnomefreak> Enverex: than the drivers dont support 7.3 and if you did get them from ati you need to look for support in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:45] <shirish> gnomefreak: for e.g. our recent kernels have FUSE by default, yes?
[01:45] <gnomefreak> shirish: ive never done it but there should be a better guide out there. my gamil accounts are loaded down as it is
[01:45] <gnomefreak> shirish: should yes
[01:45] <pwnguin> Enverex: afaik, there's a a problem where xserver 1.3 reports 1.3 as the version, and fglrx looks for 7.0
[01:46] <Enverex> gnomefreak, The drivers were built from source with module-assistant. Where the modules are put is a module-assistant issue, not a source package issue, correct?
[01:46] <Enverex> pwnguin, Yes, with the OLD drivers
[01:46] <shirish> gnomefreak: same here, there is a firefox add-on called Gspace which I use, but personally like gmailfs
[01:46] <pwnguin> im checking with phoronix, but i dont see anything about new drivers recently
[01:47] <gnomefreak> Enverex: sounds more like a conflict
[01:47] <Enverex> pwnguin, 8.37 was released a week ago or so
[01:47] <gnomefreak> Enverex: if you feel its a build issue join #ubuntu-motu see if they can help you with the build
[01:48] <shirish> gnomefreak: hopefully you can find a better guide sometime & put that in the factoid?
[01:48] <Enverex> gnomefreak, I think you're kinda missing the point. module-assistant is what makes the driver package, I doubt motu are going to help with that.
[01:49] <DanaG> Argh, whenever I open properties for ANY media file, Nautilus crashes.
[01:49] <crimsun> I don't experience that at all.
[01:49] <shirish> gnomefreak: there is no mention of gmailfs anywhere in the community help pages :(
[01:49] <crimsun> Do you have totem* installed?
[01:50] <DanaG> Yeah, I've tried both -xine and -gstreamer.
[01:50] <pwnguin> DanaG: any debugging output?
[01:50] <shirish> DanaG: confirmed at my end too
[01:51] <shirish> pwguin: no debugging output
[01:51] <DanaG> nautilus: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-1.0/libtotem-properties-page.so: undefined symbol: totem_interface_load_with_root
[01:52] <pwnguin> there's already a bug filed about that
[01:52] <pwnguin> and what appears to be a patch
[01:52] <shirish> DanaG: what did you do to have that debugging output?
[01:53] <pwnguin> shirish: you have to nuke the desktop nautilus session
[01:53] <DanaG> Remove Nautilus from session, and hit apply.  Then run nautilus in a console.
[01:53] <shirish> Remove Nautilus from session, meaning killall or something else?
[01:53] <pwnguin> shirish: killall wont solve it
[01:53] <DanaG> gnome-session-properties
[01:54] <pwnguin> shirish: gnome will bring it back from the dead
[01:54] <pwnguin> just use the handy session management stuff nobody ever looks at like DanaG suggests
[01:54] <DanaG> Another bug: when Nautilus crashes, gnome-session doesn't relaunch it with the "-n" parameter.\
[01:55] <DanaG> That wallpaper has finally replaced the dawn-of-ubuntu wallpaper on my desktop.
[01:55] <shirish> DanaG: absolutely right, this is fun
[01:55] <DanaG> (wow, random topic change)
[01:55] <pwnguin> what wallpaper?
[01:56] <pwnguin> oh
[01:57] <shirish> OT but does lower ratings define higher priority in session? for e.g. nautilus has 40 while most of the others have 50
[01:57] <DanaG> OOps, I just got a kernel oops in something...
[01:57] <DanaG> but I can't tell what.
[01:58] <pwnguin>
[01:58] <pwnguin>
[01:58] <pwnguin> "The session manager starts applications with lower order
[01:59] <pwnguin> values first. The default value is 50."
[02:08] <pwnguin> DanaG: why should nautilus relaunch with -n?
[02:09] <crdlb> pwnguin, so it doesn't open your home folder
[02:09] <pwnguin> ah
[02:13] <pwnguin> seems on feisty that -n is not the same as --no-default-window
[02:15] <pwnguin> ex
[02:29] <pwnguin> anyone else having connectivity problems with 3945 and gutsy?
[02:40] <calc> pwnguin: i was earlier last week i installed 7.04 and it worked ok
[02:40] <calc> pwnguin: you should file a bug report if it still not working with current gutsy (if there isn't a bug report already)
[02:41] <calc> i thought it was just my laptop at the time so i didn't report the bug
[02:41] <calc> i had just gotten a new laptop and various things didn't work so i didn't think anything of it
[02:43] <pwnguin> calc: it works, but it takes a lot of time to connect
[02:45] <calc> oh
[02:46] <pwnguin> i donno if there's some low power thing or what
[02:52] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I have ipw3945.
[02:53] <DanaG> I've been having some random dropouts.
[02:55] <DanaG> "howto install gmailfs" -- looks like a tutorial.  Instead, it's "how do you ... ?"
[02:56] <pwnguin> i dont like the forums much
[02:57] <DanaG> "How to fix this problem that nobody's ever figured out!!!!!"
[02:57] <pwnguin> it sorta winds up being the square pegs for lots of differently rounded holes
[02:57] <DanaG> then it says "How?
[02:57] <DanaG> "
[02:57] <pwnguin> heh
[02:58] <pwnguin> like most of the how-tos are probably better off in the wiki
[02:58] <pwnguin> instead they just edit their post
[02:59] <pwnguin> and answers.launchpad.net has a lot of useful support specific features
[02:59] <pwnguin> but primarily, searching through forums sucks
[03:01] <pwnguin> and bug reports, again, are better done via launchpad
[03:01] <DanaG> What's worse is forums that disable searching for unregistered people.
[03:01] <pwnguin> heh
[03:01] <DanaG> Or worse: try ocforums.com (overclockers).
[03:02] <DanaG> Search as non-member is enabled.... but never returns results for ANYTHING.
[03:02] <pwnguin> i gotta say
[03:02] <pwnguin> launchpad is really neat compared to bugzilla
[06:25] <DanaG> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.user/27567
[07:00] <Paladine> does anyone know how to fix the spellchecker issue in OOo in gutsy which causes OOo to segfault when you try and use the spell checker?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> calc: might
[07:00] <Hobbsee> but he's probably not here
[07:02] <Paladine> I found a bug for feisty for it and I am trying to use the solution from there regarding using the dictionary wizard to install the correct dictionary, but English (UK) is not listed, only English (Australia), English (Canada), English (New Zealand), English (United States) and English (South Africa)
[07:03] <Paladine> I have checked the dictionary files in /usr/lib/openoffice/dict/ooo as well and I already have english uk listed and symlinked to the relevant files
[07:04] <Paladine> the bug basically makes it impossible for me to open any files written in English (as opposed to foreign english) as it segfaults immediately
[07:04] <Paladine> I submitted a bug to launchpad, but as far as I know no-one has even looked at it yet
[07:05] <Paladine> bug 120462
[07:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120462 in openoffice.org "Open Office 2.2.0-lubuntu3 Crashes when opening MS Office files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120462
[07:05] <Paladine> I should change the bug since it is not just ms office files effected but all files written in english(english)
[07:09] <calc> Paladine: yea i was looking at the various spell checker bugs
[07:09] <calc> Paladine: not sure what to do about the english uk one
[07:10] <calc> Paladine: i just started working on OOo recently though so i am still learning how it works
[07:10] <calc> Paladine: do you have myspell-en-gb installed?
[07:10] <Paladine> calc, I just added a new comment to my launchpad bug to correctly describe the problem
[07:10] <Paladine> I initially thought it was crashing on MS Office files
[07:11] <Hobbsee> afternoon calc
[07:11] <calc> Paladine: can you attach a simple test example file to that bug as well?
[07:11] <calc> Paladine: er one that causes a crash preferrably ;)
[07:12] <calc> Hobbsee: heh late night here, 12:11am :)
[07:12] <Paladine> calc, I will do one tomorrow, it is very late here now and the only files I have are personal info such as letters
[07:12] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:12] <calc> Paladine: ok no problem
[07:12] <Paladine> is myspell-en-gb a seperate package?
[07:12] <calc> Hobbsee: reviewed 50 ooo bugs today
[07:12] <calc> Paladine: yes it is the dictionary for UK English afaict
[07:12] <Paladine> I will check now
[07:12] <calc> Paladine: if it does help be sure to note it in the bug
[07:13] <Hobbsee> calc: nice!
[07:13] <calc> i think i ended up being about to move around 30 of them
[07:13] <calc> er move or close
[07:13] <Hobbsee> nice
[07:13] <Paladine> yeah myspell-en-gb is installed, I am gonna uninstall the other english language ones for other countries and see if that helps
[07:14] <calc> down to 155 undecided/unconfirmed
[07:14] <calc> Paladine: ok
[07:15] <Hobbsee> calc: nice :)
[07:15] <calc> Paladine: i am about to be going to bed, if you manage to make it work somehow by doing that be sure to document it, there are various spell check issues similar to what you are seeing in the bug tracker already, so if we can get it resolved it will help close a lot of bug
[07:15] <Paladine> sure no problem calc
[07:15] <Paladine> sleep well
[07:16] <calc> thanks :)
[07:16] <calc> and have a great morning/afternoon/night ;)
[07:16] <Paladine> thanks 6am here hehe
[07:16] <calc> afternoon for Hobbsee in .au ;)
[07:17] <calc> bbl, hard to keep my eyes open, heh
[07:17] <Paladine> nah it made no difference, I removed the other language packs and then reinstalled the en-gb one to make sure it had everything it needed, still segfaults
[07:19] <Paladine> fortunately koffice spell checker works :)
[07:33] <Paladine> laters
 If I put Gutsy Gibbon Tribe 1 on my computer...
 When Tribe 2 comes out, will it update to it automatically?
[07:33] <crimsun> not without your intervention.
[07:34] <corevette> But I mean, will the update manager do it all?
[07:35] <shirish> gnomefreak: you here m8?
[07:35] <crimsun> idle     : 0 days 2 hours 17 mins 24 secs
[07:35] <shirish> crimsun: saw that, thanx
[07:36] <crimsun> corevette: it will tell you that there are available packages.
[07:36] <shirish> crimsun: good u are here, could u just put https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/120655 as a wishlist bug
[07:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120655 in pidgin "Upgrade pidgin to 2.0.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[07:37] <crimsun> next time please strip the .beta from the url
[07:37] <shirish> crimsun: oops, sorry
[07:38] <shirish> crimsun, who are x maintainers or is this nobody's baby kinda thing?
[07:38] <shirish> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-devel/+packages
[07:40] <crimsun> x maintainers?
[07:40] <crimsun> as in X.Org?
[07:40] <crimsun> that's X-SWAT.
[07:40] <crimsun> also, I've marked 120655 as a dupe and changed the master's Summary
[07:42] <shirish> crimsun: thanx
[07:45] <shirish> crimsun: a comment list, the other bug bug 117814 has been declined by Daniel Holbach for gutsy, can we find out the reason? Perhaps because he knew 2.0.2 is going to come soon or some other reason?
[07:46] <shirish> bug #117814
[07:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117814 in pidgin "Please update Pidgin" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117814
[07:47] <crimsun> I don't know offhand.
[07:47] <crimsun> My guess is that the reporter nominated a gutsy task
[07:47] <crimsun> which should be rejected, since by default the bugs are applicable against the current devel branch
[07:48] <crimsun> nominating a gutsy task against the current devel branch is unnecessary and can be declined
[07:48] <shirish> what is the difference between a task and a wishlist?
[07:49] <crimsun> wishlist is an Importance
[07:49] <crimsun> a task is precisely that
[07:50] <crimsun> i.e., you create tasks that correspond to source packages.
[07:50] <crimsun> the source packages can originate anywhere - upstream, Debian, Ubuntu releases, etc.
[07:50] <shirish> true
[07:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: unless it's a milestone
[07:53] <shirish> oh wow, this is so cool, now I can really use reportbug-ng to file upstream bugs like these
[07:54] <shirish> the last reportbug-ng was broken IIRC
[07:54] <shirish> in fiesty
[07:55] <shirish> sorry for changing tracks in the middle
[07:58] <Hobbsee> it's still broken, iirc.
[07:58] <Hobbsee> requires a MTA or somethign?
[08:02] <shirish> Hobbsee: correct it still requires an MTA, the improvement is atleast I can query bugs & see if it already has been reported
[08:02] <Hobbsee> shirish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/120662 is on the wrong package
[08:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120662 in aptitude "aptitude doesn't report broken package dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[08:04] <shirish> Hobbsee: what do u mean by wrong package? It says aptitude at the top
[08:04] <Hobbsee> shirish: read the error message
[08:04] <Hobbsee> then you see where the broken dep is.
[08:05] <Hobbsee> i cant reproduce the aptitude part of that
[08:05] <Hobbsee> looks local
[08:05] <shirish> Hobbsee: precisely, what I'm saying is aptitude is silent about that broken dependency while apt-get atleast tells the user the error message
[08:05] <shirish> ah ok
[08:06] <Hobbsee> you could just look into the broken dependancy, and fix it.
[08:06] <Hobbsee> and provide a patch, etc.
[08:10] <shirish> Hobbsee: no developer here, but got something more
[08:10] <Hobbsee> hurry up...update...
[08:11] <Hobbsee> you can learn.
[08:11] <shirish> I'll update the info. therein
[08:11] <Hobbsee> or you can at least learn to look at error messages, and figure out the problems from tehre
[08:11] <Hobbsee> check for debian bugs on gmailfs too
[08:14] <Hobbsee> shirish: read debian bug 426923
[08:14] <ubotu> Debian bug 426923 in gmailfs "gmailfs: Broken package : depends on unavailable python-fuse > 2.2-2" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/426923
[08:14] <Hobbsee> add that to your bug in LP, via "affects another distro", and put the package as gmailfs, not aptitude.
[08:17] <shirish> Hobbsee: thanx
[08:18] <Hobbsee> shirish: you should get into bug triage - actually getting your bugs in the right place, with the right information, will get them fixed quicker
[08:18] <Hobbsee> although that one will be ignored until upstream fixes it, so there's not much point in keeping teh ubuntu bug open
[08:18] <shirish> Hobbsee: I'll love to and I try to do the right thing each time. It's just I don't know much , of course each day I learn something new
[08:19] <Hobbsee> shirish: [16:19]  *** The channel topic is "Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-qa/ - http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad | Next HUG DAY on June 27th". is some infor
[08:19] <Hobbsee> mation
[08:21] <shirish> today is hug day?
[08:21] <shirish> IIRC it was supposed to be on the the past 13th
[08:22] <Hobbsee> no, it's not
[08:22] <Hobbsee> that's general info on bug stuff
[08:22] <Hobbsee> that's why it says the next hugday is on the 27th.  not "HUG DAY TODAY"
[08:22] <shirish> Hobbsee: what is the difference between bug-reporting & bug-triaging, isn't bug-triaging a programming thing
[08:22] <shirish> Hobbsee: I could read that :P
[08:22] <Hobbsee> no
[08:22] <Hobbsee> a lot of bugs are in teh wrong place, or are unconfirmed, ro dont contain enough info
[08:23] <Hobbsee> triagers go around and respond to bugs, ask fro teh required info, etc.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> try to reproduce
[08:23] <shirish> aha, ok then I'm definitely interested
[08:25] <shirish> Hobbsee: I have subscribed to the mailing list, atleast to get started
[08:25] <Hobbsee> cool
[08:25] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu-bugs is the irc channel
[08:26] <Hobbsee> tends to be more activity in there
[08:27] <shirish> thanx
[08:27] <shirish> adding it to my list of channels ;)
[08:41] <shirish> |pastebin
[08:41] <shirish> pastebin
[08:41] <shirish> ubotu pastebin
[08:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:52] <shirish> Hobbsee: are you there still ?
[08:52] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:53] <Hobbsee> i believe that's a case of Hobbsee: ping?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> in which case i would have sent you...
[08:53] <Hobbsee> You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[08:53] <shirish> Hobbsee: ok I tried to submit the pidgin bug upstream but this is the info. I get from there http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25809/
[08:53] <shirish> I know I didn't report the package from that e-mail but where should I have reported that?
[08:54] <shirish> what is this psuedo-header it keeps talking about?
[08:54] <Hobbsee> shirish: did you change Package: pidgin to Package name: pidgin in the bug report?
[08:54] <Hobbsee> it's dying over the fact that you didnt have Package: pidgin
[08:54] <shirish> aha, ok so that's the issue
[08:54] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:55] <Hobbsee> you should follow the instructions where it says "only modify below this liine" or whatever
[08:55] <Hobbsee> because it's automated, and is looking for the specific lines
[08:56] <shirish> Hobbsee: I'm using gmail as report-bug needs this MTA thing & that is pain to configure, as I only want to send messages not receive mail.
[08:56] <Hobbsee> you can make reportbug just use the smtp server.
[08:56] <shirish> how?
[08:56] <Hobbsee> in the reportbug config file.
[08:57] <shirish> aha, didn't know there was a reportbug.config file
[08:58] <Hobbsee> there usually is, for such things
[08:59] <shirish> Hobbsee: dunno if this is the right place, but I would like to do the following
[08:59] <shirish> use reportbug-ng to find upstream bugs, and just report them using the tool
[09:01] <Hobbsee> depending on where upstream is, that's fine
[09:01] <Hobbsee> you can also query for bugs using reportbug
[09:02] <Hobbsee> shirish: fixed.
[09:02] <Hobbsee> shirish: reportbug now uses the default ubuntu SMTP server.
[09:02] <shirish> Hobbsee: ok where is this reportbug.config file?
[09:03] <Hobbsee> use locate
[09:03] <shirish> strange doing locate reportbug.config doesn't give anything as well as slocate gives nothing
[09:03] <Hobbsee> try reportbug.conf
[09:04] <Hobbsee> seeing as they usually end in .conf
[09:04] <shirish> still nothing :/
[09:04] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~/Desktop$ locate reportbug.conf
[09:04] <Hobbsee> /var/lib/dpkg/info/reportbug.conffiles
[09:04] <Hobbsee> /etc/reportbug.conf
[09:04] <Hobbsee> have you run sudo updatedb first?
[09:05] <crimsun> (normally man pages reference such a conffile, too)
[09:05] <shirish> nope, never although have heard about it, what does updatedb do?
[09:05] <Hobbsee> truethat
[09:05] <Hobbsee> man updatedb.
[09:05] <shirish> sure
[09:05] <shirish> :)
[09:06] <shirish> aha, its something similar to beagle or tracker doing there stuff, like when one does trackerd
[09:06] <Hobbsee> shirish: manpages are usually your friend, and you're expected to be able to use them when running a development release.
[09:07] <Hobbsee> if you have questions after reading the applicable manpages, or cant find the relevant manpage, it's fine to ask - but the manpages are written for a reason, and people here are often busy actually *developing* gutsy and such.
[09:08] <shirish> sorry was disconnected for a second
[09:09] <Hobbsee> [17:06]  <shirish> aha, its something similar to beagle or tracker doing there stuff, like when one does trackerd
[09:09] <Hobbsee> [17:06]  <Hobbsee> shirish: manpages are usually your friend, and you're expected to be able to use them when running a development release.
[09:09] <Hobbsee> [17:07]  <Hobbsee> if you have questions after reading the applicable manpages, or cant find the relevant manpage, it's fine to ask - but the manpages are written for a reason, and people here are often busy actually *developing* gutsy and such.
[09:11] <shirish> Hobbsee: in your case very true
[09:14] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what does %s tend to stand for in python?
[09:14] <Hobbsee> presumably it's not the same as $s in bash?
[09:15] <Hobbsee> crimsun: reportbug is the particular question
[09:16] <Hobbsee>         except EnvironmentError, x:
[09:16] <Hobbsee>             ewrite("Warning: opening '%s' failed: %s.\n", attachment,
[09:16] <Hobbsee> etc etc etc
[09:17] <crimsun> it's normally a string
[09:17] <crimsun> similar to printf syntax
[09:17] <Hobbsee> ahhh....
[09:18] <Hobbsee> string including spaces?
[09:18] <crimsun> don't believe so, but Python's not my primary lang
[09:18] <Hobbsee> makes sense.  thanks.
[09:19] <shirish> Hobbsee: I'm still not able to find the reportbug.conf
[09:19] <shirish>  sudo updatedb
[09:19] <shirish> shirish@ubuntu:~$ locate reportbug.conf
[09:19] <shirish> which results in empty, do i have to make those files?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> what does "less /etc/reportbug.conf" say?
[09:20] <crimsun> (check http://docs.python.org/lib/typesseq-strings.html)
[09:22] <Hobbsee> crimsun: thanks
[09:22] <Hobbsee> crimsun: google wasnt finding so much
[09:25] <shirish> ah I see what mistake I did, I installed reportbug-ng & it is just the gui , it needs reportbug also but is not marked as a dependancy or something
[09:25] <Hobbsee> it shouldnt need reportbug - it's an alternative
[09:26] <coNP> what do you think why there is no acroread in gutsy now?
[09:26] <coNP> it seems that feisty and former versions all have that
[09:27] <Hobbsee> coNP: not distributable
[09:28] <Hobbsee> iirc
[09:29] <coNP> Hobbsee: Do you know what has changed (their license or our term for a software being distributable)
[09:32] <shirish> Hobbsee: please see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25812/
[09:32] <Hobbsee> coNP: i'm not sure we were distributing ti legally
[09:33] <coNP> Thanks, Hobbsee. I consider using something else instead.
[09:38] <shirish> Hobbsee: going to have lunch but bbl if you get some idea for me, please lemme know or if you think there is an issue/bug with reportbug-ng even that is cool
[09:42] <premier_> are you guys talking about a new bug reporting system for gutsy? that sounds cool...
[09:43] <Hobbsee> premier_: no, it's reporbug which is mostly used in debian
[09:43] <Hobbsee> it's not apport
[09:44] <DanaG> wow, /me has been AFK for quite a while.
[09:45] <DanaG> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.user/27567
[09:45] <DanaG> I get this issue.
[10:26] <shirish> Hobbsee: back, any ideas what I was doing wrong? or is it some issue with reportbug-ng?
[10:26] <Hobbsee> it's not to do with -ng, definetly
[10:27] <shirish> ok so how should I find out?
[10:28] <Hobbsee>  /etc/reportbug.conf doesnt exist for you, presumably?
[10:30] <shirish> nope
[10:30] <shirish> it does not, I did cd /etc
[10:30] <shirish> then did ls report*
[10:30] <shirish> nothing, nda
[10:30] <shirish> nada
[10:31] <ajmorris_> anyone..... are there any memory leak patches released for gutsy yet? i need one
[10:31] <ajmorris_> or if you know how to do it manually ....
[10:32] <shirish> Hobbsee: one thing I can do is uninstall reportbug-ng & then install it again maybe some issue there?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> it.  has.  nothing.  to.  do.  with.  -ng.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> [18:26]  <Hobbsee> it's not to do with -ng, definetly
[10:33] <shirish> ok so what, where the issue could be, tell me what I need to figure out
[10:35] <Hobbsee> the issue is somewhere in reportbug or locate
[10:35] <Hobbsee> er, reportbug only
[10:36] <Hobbsee> you could try reinstalling reportbug, that may help
[10:36] <shirish> Hobbsee: just a sec.
[10:36] <Hobbsee> reportbug != reportbug-ng
[10:36] <shirish> what is with the !
[10:37] <coNP> != is not equals
[10:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is not equals - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:37] <coNP> shirish: != means not =
[10:38] <shirish> I'm getting confused so should I install reportbug alongwith reportbug-ng or just reportbug-ng is good enough?
[10:39] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure if reportbug-ng even fully works with ubuntu
[10:39] <Hobbsee> in fact, i think i'ts debian only
[10:39] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's synced direct from debian
[10:40] <shirish> oh ok, I am installing both reportbug as well as reportbug-ng
[10:40] <shirish> maybe send an e-mail to the developer sometime asking about that .conf file
[10:41] <coNP> shirish: what is your problem with reportbug-ng?
[10:42] <shirish> coNP: the thing is I just want to be able to send bug-reports not receive, and reportbug-ng requires one to have some kind of MTA
[10:42] <Hobbsee> you not having reportbug.conf is a local problem, so a developer isnt going to be able to help you...
[10:42] <Hobbsee> use reportbug then
[10:42] <coNP> shirish: then install a MTA
[10:42] <shirish> conP: please listen
[10:43] <Hobbsee> ewww, mta
[10:43] <coNP> shirish: sorry I thought you finished, I am listening
[10:43] <shirish> coNP: so she said there is a way , using this reportbug.conf or some similar named file
[10:43] <coNP> wow I was not aware about that, very good idea, Hobbsee
[10:44] <shirish> coNP: then I had to learn how to do updatedb, and use locate but didn't find anything
[10:45] <Hobbsee> shirish: http://rafb.net/p/8LVGJx47.html is a sample /etc/reportbug.conf file that you can use
[10:45] <shirish> coNP: no reportbug.conf  in /etc as well as some file in /var/lib
[10:46] <shirish> Hobbsee: actually don't require anymore, as I installed reportbug & it installed reportbug.conf
[10:46] <Hobbsee> right.  good.
[10:46] <Hobbsee> problem solve.d
[10:48] <shirish> Hobbsee: ok so now one thing is for definitely sure, that reportbug-ng does not have reportbug.conf or any kind of configuration file, for I purge reportbug & the reportbug.conf disappeared
[10:49] <Hobbsee> this is correct
[10:49] <Hobbsee> as reportbugs.conf has absolutely nothing to do with reportbug-ng.
[10:49] <Hobbsee> like i told you.  twice.
[10:50] <shirish> ah, I was mis-interpreting that
[10:50] <shirish> sorry
[10:51] <shirish> ok so can I file an enhancement bug so reportbug-ng also has a reportbug-ng.conf file or something like that?
[10:51] <Hobbsee> do it on the debian bugtracker.
[10:51] <shirish> will do madame
[10:52] <Hobbsee> because no one looks at the ubuntu one for that package
[10:53] <shirish> that's understood
[11:10] <shirish> Hobbsee: btw see that u have uploaded the new, improved reportbug, as & when it hits the indian mirror, will download it :)
[11:11] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:11] <shirish> thanx
[11:32] <shirish> Hobbsee: can u get any results for aptitude search swfdec-mozilla or aptitude show swfdec-mozilla?
[11:38] <coNP> shirish: if  you are looking for a mozilla swf player try swf-player
[11:40] <shirish> coNP: thanx
[11:44] <shirish> coNP: that swf-player is based on swfdec0.3 & swfdec0.4 which is there in gutsy has the ability to play youtube videos
[11:44] <shirish> http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[11:45] <shirish> coNP: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/swfdec0.4
[11:47] <shirish> http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/ScreenShots
[12:48] <_4strO> yop yop
[01:43] <kingrayray> so the new ubuntu is great! but after installing the ati drivers on my buddy's comp, we can't seem to get x to work right.. every howto we've looked at has made it worse. and aticonfig has severed the situation dramatically. anybody got a radeon 9600 and willing to show me their xorg.conf? I just need a base to work from. im' not familiar with ati- so im' having trouble helping him.
[01:43] <kingrayray> whoa long message. sorry :D
[01:46] <kingrayray> it's saying [atiddxSetup]  X version mismatch - detected X.org <IP_ADDRESS>, required X.org <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:46] <kingrayray> which doesn't make any sense to me at all :/
[01:50] <kingrayray> bleh
[01:51] <Hobbsee> kingrayray: gutsy?
[01:51] <kingrayray> yeah
[01:51] <gnomefreak> kingrayray: the drivers in gutsy for ati are missing xorg 7.3 support
[01:51] <kingrayray> are they? ok. do the open source ones work? :s
[01:51] <gnomefreak> they will be upgraded sooner or later
[01:52] <gnomefreak> not for 3D
[01:52] <kingrayray> ah I see
[01:52] <kingrayray> ok well I don't feel so stupid now, lol
[01:52] <gnomefreak> the fgrlx are the ones for 3D support and they havent been upgraded yet
[01:52] <kingrayray> :)
[01:53] <kingrayray> ati really needs to get with the program :s lol
[01:53] <crdlb> kingrayray, there is 3d support in the open source driver
[01:53] <kingrayray> crdlb: that's what I thought, but we are currently using the OSS driver and we have no acceleratoin.. but I also am not sure what to change in xorg.conf to enable it aside from setting the driver to ati/radeon
[01:54] <crdlb> kingrayray, you can't have fglrx installed
[01:54] <kingrayray> ok so make sure its removed and it should work? O.o
[01:54] <crdlb> you need to purge it if it's installed
[01:54] <crdlb> sudo apt-get --purge remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:54] <kingrayray> ok
[01:54] <gnomefreak> crdlb: isnt opensource driver ati
[01:54] <crdlb> and if that doesn't work, sudo apt-get --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx
[01:54] <gnomefreak> the one that ships with ubuntu
[01:54] <kingrayray> I was under the impression ati == radeon
[01:54] <crdlb> correct
[01:54] <crdlb> ati == radeon
[01:54] <gnomefreak> ati doesnt support 3D
[01:55] <crdlb> sudo apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-glx
[01:55] <crdlb> gnomefreak, it does
[01:55] <gnomefreak> only fgrlx i thought was only one
[01:55] <crdlb> all the way through the r400s
[01:55] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:55] <gnomefreak> sorry
[01:55] <kingrayray> ok we're gonna try it, standby :)
[01:55] <kingrayray> (thanks I appreciate it guys)
[01:55] <crdlb> and completely reverse-engineered :P
[01:56] <kingrayray> isn't that like, illegal or something
[01:56] <kingrayray> lol
[01:56] <crdlb> no it's clean-room
[01:56] <kingrayray> ah ok
[01:56] <kingrayray> :)
[01:56] <crdlb> completely legal
[01:57] <kingrayray> ok after removing fglrx and reinstalling the mesa thing, and restarting x we still have no acceleration
[01:58] <kingrayray> so I'm thinking we need to funk with xorg.conf a bit :s
[01:58] <crdlb> kingrayray, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:58] <kingrayray> sure hold on
[01:58] <MaxLogic> hi, <- kingrayray
[01:58] <MaxLogic> hehe let me grab the logs
[01:59] <MaxLogic> http://pastebin.com/930180
[02:00] <MaxLogic> I can pb the xorg.conf too if it helps
[02:01] <crdlb> #
[02:01] <crdlb> (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[02:01] <MaxLogic> yeah I just noticed that
[02:01] <crdlb> sudo apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-dri
[02:01] <MaxLogic> rgr
[02:01] <crdlb> whoops
[02:01] <MaxLogic> wb
[02:01] <MaxLogic> I told him to do that before and it appears he did not, lol
[02:02] <MaxLogic> might just be a case of PEBCAK
[02:02] <MaxLogic> cak?
[02:02] <MaxLogic> ^^
[02:02] <crdlb> well the command I gave earlier was slightly different
[02:02] <MaxLogic> ah
[02:02] <MaxLogic> well
[02:02] <MaxLogic> lets blame the user anyway
[02:02] <crdlb> that was glx this is dri
[02:02] <MaxLogic> hehe :D
[02:02] <crdlb> lol
[02:02] <MaxLogic> think that'll clear it up?
[02:02] <crdlb> it should
[02:02] <MaxLogic> (this dsl line is sloooooow)
[02:02] <MaxLogic> mk
[02:03] <MaxLogic> see any other glitches in tehre I could clean up before I restart x? :s
[02:03] <MaxLogic> ati logs confuse me, they are way more extensive than the stuff nvidia spits out lol
[02:04] <MaxLogic> ok that's done I'll brb
[02:05] <MaxLogic> hooah!
[02:05] <MaxLogic> it worked, thanks a ton guys
[02:05] <MaxLogic> lesson of the day is fglrx is evil! :D
[02:06] <crdlb> that's a very useful lesson :)
[02:16] <kingrayray> ok so do any of you guys use compiz (desktop effects) with nvidia?
[02:16] <kingrayray> im trying to try out all the new stuff :)
[02:17] <kingrayray> trying to try... redundancy ftw
[02:17] <kingrayray> it kinda works, but no window borders and it's kinda slow. lol
[02:17] <crdlb> is all the compcomm stuff in?
[02:17] <kingrayray> probably not if I have to do it manually :) fresh install here
[02:18] <kingrayray> I just see the option in my menu so I guess I assumed it was set up.
[02:18] <crdlb> it's being packaged to go in gutsy
[02:18] <kingrayray> yeah
[02:19] <kingrayray> my buddy ( the ati guy) just flipped the switch for it and it works great
[02:19] <kingrayray> so now im jealous
[02:19] <kingrayray> hehe
[02:22] <kingrayray> I know it sounds like I'm having a buncha problems, but everything is actually going very smoothly, and I think I am going to permanently ditch gentoo :)
[02:22] <kingrayray> whamo!
[02:24] <kingrayray> wow, when you try to run an app that's not installed it tells you how to get it :D
[02:33] <kingrayray> sweet
[02:33] <kingrayray> I just forgot to add an option to xorg.conf :) hooray for 3d desktop
[02:34] <kingrayray> ok I know this is OT but what's the apt command to purge an app with all its deps? (ala beryl)
[02:36] <gnomefreak> kingrayray: depedns how you installed it. if you use apt-get than remove each item
[02:36] <gnomefreak> if you use aptitude just aptitude remove
[02:36] <gnomefreak> --purge is just for config files
[02:37] <kingrayray> hmm, so I have to find all the pkg names it installed
[02:37] <gnomefreak> if you dont remember use synaptic
[02:37] <kingrayray> good idea
[02:37] <gnomefreak> search beryl
[02:37] <gnomefreak> in synaptic
[02:37] <kingrayray> yeha
[02:40] <kingrayray> sweet
[02:40] <kingrayray> victory is mine
[02:40] <kingrayray> I'll relearn apt I swear :D
[02:40] <kingrayray> thanks again buddy
[02:41] <gnomefreak> yw
[03:25] <zaggynl> Hi, does anyone knows a good clientside tool to limit bandwidth per application? trickle does the job, but at extremely high cpu usage
[03:27] <zaggynl> Any alternative to trickle? like, lets say, netlimiter? http://www.zefhemel.com/upload/netlimiter.jpg
[03:30] <shirish> zaggynl: I'm just a basic user, but what kind of cpu u have & what kind of load does trickle give?
[03:31] <shirish> zaggynl: i do know that recently debian package of the day put up a good show about it
[03:31] <zaggynl> shirish, amd64 3200 Venice @ 2 Ghz, 100% usage
[03:32] <zaggynl> started like: 'trickle -s -d 350 -u 50  -L 10 -w 1024 -t 1 <app>'
[03:33] <zaggynl> hmm, trickle hasn't been updated for 4 years
[03:39] <shirish> sorry, sad to hear that, I'm working on something atm otherwise would have loved to see if we could find something
[04:40] <Fjodor> Bug #96566 would it be safe to chgrp /var/mail to users?
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 96566 in mozilla-thunderbird "movemail account does not work with default /var/mail permissions" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96566
[06:28] <shirish> Hobbsee: sorry if I hurt you, I didn't mean to
[06:59] <shachaf> How usable is Gutsy right now?
[06:59] <shachaf> I don't need much (I don't use GNOME or complicated window managers like that, for example), but I wouldn't want it to crash a lot.
[07:01] <Hobbsee> shachaf: it crashes.
[07:01] <Hobbsee> dont use it on production machines, or where you need it to work on a given day, etc
[07:01] <shachaf> Hobbsee: Which part of it crashes?
[07:01] <shachaf> Hobbsee: Hmm, OK.
[07:01] <shachaf> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[07:01] <Hobbsee> various
[07:01] <Hobbsee>  depends on the day
[07:01] <Hobbsee> and what's been updated
[07:02] <shachaf> But I guess this is a bit early.
[07:06] <corevette> scachaf: It's not crashing on me, yet, barely, if any new features
[08:54] <kingrayray> anybody got wmv files playing in gutsy?
[08:58] <kingrayray> ah nvm, its just a gstreamer thing :) mplayer works.
[09:10] <jason357> hello
[09:14] <jason357> where do I download gusty?
[09:15] <bur[n] er> jason357: it's gutsy... i think your google search will be better with "ubuntu 7.10 gutsy gibbon"
[09:16] <jason357> :)
[09:16] <jason357> thanks
[09:17] <bur[n] er> np... if you'r running feisty... you can just change your /etc/apt/sources.list of course and dist-upgrade
[09:18] <bur[n] er> jason357: heed the topic of course :)
[09:18] <jason357> yeah, got that
[11:37] <Dev05> Hi. I installed Kubuntu 7.10 today and after I installed the nVidia driver, I don't get any visual output at all, not even a console. The only thing that works is usplash. Any ideas?
[11:37] <Dev05> From nVidia.com, not the package in the repos.
[11:38] <tritium> Why did you not use the package in the repos?
[11:38] <Dev05> tritium, I'm used to do it from the nVidia site. Sorry for that :(
[11:39] <tritium> No apologies necessary, Dev05.  That's your decision, but we do recommend the packages, especially if you seek any kind of support
[11:40] <Dev05> tritium, :) It's just that I've never had any issues with the drivers directly from nVidia. Do you know if there is any way to recover my installation?
[11:41] <tritium> Dev05: sorry, I've not installed from nvidia.com, just the repos.  I'm sure there is, though
[11:41] <Dev05> Oh, may be disabling the driver from modprobe should work...
[11:41] <tritium> Dev05: well, that won't actually uninstall it
[11:42] <Dev05> tritium, I know. It's just that at least I can get the system booted.
[11:43] <Dev05> Heh, "blacklist nvidia"
[11:44] <Dev05> OK, I'll see how it does now.
[11:44] <tritium> Good luck, Dev05!  See you later.  :)
[11:45] <Dev05> tritium, Thanks!
[12:02] <DanaG> .list
[12:02] <DanaG> er
[12:12] <johnnybuoy> does anyone know how to use kvm?
[12:13] <johnnybuoy> i get this error:
[12:13] <johnnybuoy> kvm_create_vm: Invalid argument
[12:13] <johnnybuoy> Could not create KVM context
[12:13] <johnnybuoy> I googled it, but nothing
[12:13] <johnnybuoy> and it seems my arguments are fine
[12:18] <DanaG> I think it's a known bug somewhere on Launchpad.