[12:14] <j^> slomo, now build with two pbuilders, and my last try for this week http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/
[12:14] <slomo> ok, i'll take a look :)
[12:15] <slomo> and sorry for the hassles with the diff.gz ;)
[12:20] <j^> we will see how that turns out ;/
[12:24] <slomo> j^: ok, package is fine with me :)
[12:25] <slomo> j^: but some manpages for all the binaries would be fine... but that's no must ;)
[12:26] <tseng> it sort of is
[12:26] <tseng> but not really
[12:26] <slomo> tseng: well it's just a lintian _warning_, no error
[12:26] <slomo> tseng: and we have soooo many packages without manpage
[12:27] <slomo> j^: just write one for your next release... look a bit into docbook for this ;)
[12:29] <j^> sure
[12:29] <j^> but now i have to go back the the pkg-config bug...
[12:30] <slomo> what pkg-config bug? the segfault one? ;)
[12:30] <j^> i have to use it with mingw32 and if i have more than one pathin PKG_CONFIG_PATH its removes \
[12:38] <slomo> crimsun: will you look at liferea and adonthell later? :)
[12:39] <crimsun> slomo: I will; I have them bookmarked
[12:41] <slomo> crimsun: thanks :) just wanted to be sure you haven't forgotten them... hmm... i really need elmo to finally add my key to the upload keyring :(
[12:42] <slomo> tseng: tell me how it is when it works :)
[12:42] <tseng> yeah.. right
[12:42] <slomo> do you plan to package it now already for breezy?
[12:43] <tseng> checking for GST... checking for GST... configure: error: Install gstreamer, gstreamer-plugins gstreamer-gconf, gstreamer-interfaces, and gstreamer-play
[12:43] <tseng> wth is this
[12:43] <tseng> slomo: no way
[12:43] <slomo> it needs gst-sharp which currently is only in the mono svn
[12:43] <tseng> false
[12:43] <slomo> i doesn't hmm
[12:43] <tseng> that was months ago
[12:43] <slomo> then they've changed that ;)
[12:43] <tseng> it now has its own gst binding
[12:43] <tseng> or.. helix
[12:43] <tseng> these guys smoke the hard stuff
[12:43] <slomo> iihh... helix
[12:45] <slomo> well their gst bindings only can be better than gst-sharp... i played a bit with gst-sharp and already found enough rough edges :/
[12:45] <tseng> yes
[12:45] <tseng> it was total crack
[12:46] <tseng> i dont like how abock develops
[12:46] <tseng> he rolls all the depends into his source
[12:46] <tseng> entagged, burn-sharp, hal-sharp
[12:46] <slomo> who's abock?
[12:46] <tseng> the author
[12:47] <tseng> of sonance
[12:47] <slomo> oh ok... hm, maybe we shall write him a mail to release the other stuff independend of sonace ;)
[12:48] <tseng> erm
[12:48] <tseng> you can do that until you turn blue
[12:48] <tseng> he really believes this is the best way
[12:49] <slomo> does he have some arguments? hm... maybe we shall fork the stuff then and release it independend to force him? ;P
[12:49] <tseng> haha
[12:49] <tseng> well alot of the stuff has crazy api
[12:49] <tseng> and has no real release
[12:50] <tseng> so you cant depend on it working from one day to the next on its own
[12:51] <slomo> entagged is this tag reading/writing library completly written in c#? (btw, why don't he use gst for this?!)
[12:51] <tseng> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse
[12:51] <tseng> wee!
[12:51] <tseng> slomo: entagged is very fast
[12:51] <tseng> slomo: gst is very slow, and needs to be wrapped
[12:51] <tseng> i thought the same thing at first, but i like entagged now
[12:52] <tseng> cowbell, dopi, muine, sonance will all use it
[12:52] <slomo> ok, right... gst is really slow for reading tags... but now a user has to update gst AND entagged to use his new media format :/
[12:53] <tseng> well adding my entire collection of music to muine or dopi is a lot faster
[12:53] <tseng> which i do much more often than start ripping new oddball formats
[12:53] <donsmith> How do I file a bug against a universe package?
[12:54] <crimsun> launchpad.net/malone
[12:54] <tseng> slomo: hm the meta package doesnt depend on -lame?
[12:54] <slomo> tseng: Depends: libgstreamer0.8-0, libgstreamer-plugins0.8-0, libgstreamer-gconf0.8-0, gstreamer0.8-plugin-apps, gstreamer0.8-faac, gstreamer0.8-faad, gstreamer0.8-lame, gstreamer0.8-wavpack, gstreamer0.8-dirac, gstreamer0.8-xvid
[12:55] <slomo> tseng: it does here
[12:55] <tseng> gstreamer0.8-lame is already the newest version.
[12:55] <tseng> oh
[12:55] <tseng> it must be leftover
[12:55] <tseng> s
[12:55] <tseng> nice work
[12:56] <tseng> now my boss can rip in sound-juicer without making a big fuss
[12:56] <tseng> you should have seen him try that on FC3
[12:56] <slomo> thanks :) i hope everything works correctly... i haven't tested the faac, lame, xvid, dirac and wavpack plugin ;)
[12:56] <tseng> he wanted to add the gst yum repo
[12:56] <tseng> and jeez
[12:56] <slomo> why don't he just use ogg vorbis?
[12:56] <tseng> there is a bug in yum using a proxy
[12:57] <tseng> they havent issued a fix after all this time
[12:57] <tseng> xvid i might have something for
[12:58] <tseng> argl that mythtv box is unreachable
[12:58] <slomo> btw... did you try thoggen? it seems really nice... but doesn't compile :(
[12:58] <tseng> the dvd ripper, yes?
[12:58] <slomo> yes
[12:58] <slomo> which only supports theora atm ;)
[12:58] <tseng> theora is nice
[12:58] <tseng> but how is it for high quality stuff?
[12:59] <slomo> i haven't tried it yet :/
[12:59] <tseng> http://www.thebroken.org/
[12:59] <slomo> maybe i should fix thoggen and rip one dvd of mine ;)
[12:59] <tseng> i think this is xvid
[12:59] <tseng> or similar
[12:59] <slomo> at least some mpeg4 stuff
[01:00] <ryanthiessen> thoggen is *great*, but theora encoding is terribly slow
[01:00] <tseng> hm
[01:01] <ryanthiessen> but it's the ripper with the best A/V sync I've found for linux, and works great with Ubuntu (need to compile your own for breezy though)
[01:01] <slomo> ryanthiessen: how did you compile it for breezy? our hal is too new for thoggen :/
[01:02] <ryanthiessen> slomo: I built from cvs on two boxes....
[01:02] <slomo> ah ok, i only tried the last release
[01:02] <ryanthiessen> yeah, the 0.3 tarball doesn't build because of hal problems
[01:02] <slomo> hmm... maybe i'll package the cvs version for breezy ;)
[01:03] <ryanthiessen> I wrote the thoggen-users list asking if they could release 0.4 in time for breezy but no response, and the cvs version still lists as v0.3 but I guess you could tweak that
[01:05] <tseng> Desktop/thebroken2.avi.part: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 432 x 320, ~30 fps, video: DivX 5, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 44100 Hz)
[01:06] <tseng> i am playing this with gstreamer
[01:06] <slomo> gst-ffmpeg also decodes divx/mpeg4
[01:06] <tseng> ok
[01:06] <tseng> yeah
[01:06] <tseng> its ffmpeg
[01:07] <slomo> apt-get remove gst-ffmpeg ? ;)
[01:07] <tseng> i did
[01:07] <tseng> doesnt play with xvid
[01:07] <tseng> well, it plays layer 3 only
[01:07] <tseng> no video
[01:07] <slomo> hmm
[01:07] <slomo> try gst-launch-ext on the avi
[01:08] <tseng> gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location="Desktop/thebroken2.avi" ! decodebin name=d { d. ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink } { d. ! queue ! audioconvert ! audioscale ! osssink }
[01:08] <tseng> works nice
[01:08] <tseng> gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location="Desktop/thebroken2.avi" ! decodebin name=d { d. ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink } { d. ! queue ! audioconvert ! audioscale ! osssink }
[01:08] <tseng> w/o ffmpeg
[01:08] <tseng> hah it uses it anyway
[01:08] <tseng> or tries
[01:09] <slomo> yes... the decodebin ;)
[01:10] <slomo> ok, works for me :)
[01:15] <donsmith> I can't get tome to play mp4s from archive.org is that right?
[01:16] <donsmith> the video comes out choppy, and it can't read the audio
[01:16] <slomo> donsmith: tome?
[01:16] <donsmith> totem, sorry
[01:16] <slomo> oh... apt-get install gstreamer0.8-faad
[01:16] <slomo> or do you already have this?
[01:17] <donsmith> it's installed already, do I have to rebuild the plugin registry?
[01:17] <slomo> no... normally not...
[01:17] <slomo> but try running gst-register-0.8
[01:17] <slomo> does this help?
[01:18] <slomo> and give me a link to the mp4 :)
[01:19] <donsmith> http://www.archive.org/details/isforAto1953
[01:19] <donsmith> running gst-register doesn't seem to do anything
[01:19] <donsmith> it's the 256k one
[01:19] <slomo> ok, i'll take a look
[01:19] <donsmith> thanks
[01:20] <slomo> uhh.. archive.org is slow :(
[01:20] <tseng> i think the totem plugin is broken for me
[01:20] <slomo> donsmith: a do you use the totem plugin or did you download it?
[01:20] <slomo> donsmith: because the totem plugin is broken for me too ;)
[01:22] <tseng> is that dbus, glitz, xorg?
[01:22] <tseng> or just plain broken
[01:23] <slomo> probably plain broken... it never worked for me ;)
[01:23] <tseng> i used it happily for some time
[01:24] <ryanthiessen> it's working with breezy's totem-xine of a very recent vintage, though you may have to tweak some settings in gconf
[01:25] <ryanthiessen> specifically the max buffer setting, something like that
[01:26] <slomo> donsmith: doesn't work for me even after downloading it... and in mplayer it says: 'FAAD: Failed to decode frame: Unexpected channel configuration change'
[01:27] <tseng> faad?
[01:27] <tseng> interesting mix
[01:27] <slomo> yes... probably aac audio
[01:27] <slomo> and as faad2 is unmaintained upstream afaik (author works now for ahead) this probably won't get fixed :/
[01:28] <tseng> ahead nero?
[01:28] <slomo> yes... he's working on the aac encoder there
[01:28] <tseng> cant wait to get aac in entagged
[01:29] <slomo> hehe... doesn't help in this case :/
[01:29] <tseng> well i cant ship any aac support in muine as is
[01:29] <tseng> libmuine would have to link to faad
[01:29] <tseng> which is multiverse
[01:29] <tseng> with entagged (no faad) and gstreamer plugin
[01:29] <slomo> it only needs faad for the tags?
[01:29] <tseng> you are set
[01:29] <tseng> yes
[01:29] <slomo> oh ok
[01:30] <tseng> it would be completely optional
[01:30] <tseng> by installing gstreamer0.8-faad
[01:30] <slomo> hm but we really need someone working again on faad and faac :/
[01:30] <tseng> no one is that crazy
[01:31] <ryanthiessen> are the faad/faac issues patent related or copyright?
[01:31] <slomo> why? there are also people working on wmv (in ffmpeg), dts (libdts), mp3 (lame), mpeg4 (xvid)
[01:31] <slomo> ryanthiessen: patent
[01:32] <tseng> faad is really crappy
[01:32] <tseng> as youve noticed
[01:33] <slomo> but it's the only thing we have for aac decoding :/
[01:34] <slomo> hmm... cool
[01:34] <slomo> there a some checkins in the faad2 cvs by menno and some other guy at nero
[01:35] <slomo> s/some/one/
[01:35] <slomo> hm, maybe i'll update the faad2 package tomorrow
[01:36] <tseng> elite
[01:36] <slomo> same for faac
[01:40] <slomo> uh
[01:40] <slomo> faad2 has a new license clause
[01:40] <slomo> "
[01:40] <slomo> Software using this code must display the following message visibly in the software:
[01:40] <slomo> "FAAD2 AAC/HE-AAC/HE-AACv2/DRM decoder (c) Ahead Software, www.nero.com"
[01:40] <slomo> in, for example, the about-box or help/startup screen. "
[01:41] <slomo> which makes it GPL incompatible and probably not ubuntu compatible... tseng?
[01:41] <tseng> um wow
[01:41] <tseng> i dont know about that one
[01:42] <slomo> that's in the cvs... 2.0 doesn't have this
[01:42] <slomo> (i hope)
[01:43] <slomo> nope, it doesn't...
[01:44] <ryanthiessen> what was the 2.0 license?
[01:44] <slomo> plain GPL-2
[01:44] <slomo> cvs is GPL-2 + this additional clause...
[01:45] <slomo> hehe...
[01:45] <ryanthiessen> hrm, how can they change the license like that, unless they had all of the copyrights of contributed code assigned to them?
[01:46] <tseng> they had all of the copyrights of contributed code assigned to them?
[01:46] <tseng> its been done
[01:47] <slomo> no idea
[01:48] <tseng> http://diva.mdk.org.pl/
[01:48] <tseng> there is definately some cool stuff coming for breezy+1
[01:48] <slomo> yeah i saw that already :)
[01:50] <slomo> hmm... that license change really annoys me *grmpf*
[01:50] <tseng> its already multiverse so..
[01:51] <slomo> tseng: sure but this change would disallow a gst-plugin for example
[01:51] <tseng> "the place where the bad toys go"
[01:51] <slomo> how can the gst-plugin show the string?
[01:51] <tseng> beats me
[01:51] <slomo> so we must stay with 2.0 until hell freezes over and someone forks faad 2.0 or writes his own aac decoder...
[01:51] <tseng> you could put it in the manpage
[01:52] <tseng> they arent very specific on that point
[01:52] <slomo> "display the following message visibly in the software"... manpage != software imho :(
[01:52] <slomo> hm, donsmith gave me a link to a aac decoder by real... https://helixcommunity.org/viewcvs/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/datatype/aac/fileformat/
[01:53] <slomo> but this has another funny license ;)
[01:53] <Lathiat> how bout write the author and tell them they are a d**kh**d ;p
[01:53] <slomo> Lathiat: i wouldn't be the first to do that... there's a thread in their forum and in another forum of a software which uses faad2 ;)
[01:54] <Lathiat> well you make a thrid
[01:54] <Lathiat> and i'll make a 4th :)
[01:55] <slomo> ok... and tseng the third? ;)
[01:55] <slomo> err... fifth
[01:55] <Lathiat> hehe
[01:55] <tseng> um
[01:55] <tseng> whatever dudes
[01:55] <Lathiat> haha
[01:55] <slomo> Lathiat: what email address do you want<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the main author
[01:56] <Lathiat> nero.com.. interestign
[01:56] <slomo> hehe... that's probably the problem...
[01:57] <slomo> i think ahead doesn't want them to work on another aac project when they don't get the credit for it...
[01:57] <slomo> so it must display "FAAD2 AAC/HE-AAC/HE-AACv2/DRM decoder (c) Ahead Software, www.nero.com" somewhere
[02:00] <ajmitch> afternoon
[02:01] <tseng> http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005081526127.gif
[02:02] <slomo> lol
[02:02] <ajmitch> so f-spot 0.1.1 is in sid
[02:02] <ajmitch> no users screaming at me yet
[02:03] <ajmitch> so it's probably safe to sync
[02:03] <tseng> sounds good to me
[02:03] <slomo> ajmitch: does it already use gtk#2?
[02:03] <ajmitch> slomo: yes
[02:03] <slomo> ah wonderfull :)
[02:03] <tseng> maybe by breezy+1 we can kill gtk# 1
[02:03] <tseng> that would be a good deal
[02:03] <ajmitch> the depends are fairly tight with it though
[02:03] <slomo> tseng: how's your progress on gtk# 2.3.90? maybe we should wait for the sync until you're finished with it
[02:04] <ajmitch> so we'll have to check how it goes with 2.3.90
[02:04] <tseng> im running it here
[02:04] <tseng> ajmitch: WFM
[02:04] <tseng> i really want to talk to meebey still
[02:04] <tseng> he is MIA
[02:04] <ajmitch> yeah, will do
[02:04] <tseng> i have asked him a dozen questions
[02:04] <Lathiat> does it fix the drive widget in the import dialog?
[02:04] <tseng> yes
[02:04] <Lathiat> yay
[02:04] <Lathiat> how the hell did that happen anyway :)
[02:05] <slomo> tseng: MIA?
[02:05] <ajmitch> missing in action
[02:05] <ajmitch> gone, vanished
[02:05] <slomo> tseng: so you have it ready, just waiting on your harddrive for meebey's answers? ;) fine... hopefully he returns tomorrow or monday :)
[02:06] <tseng> yes
[02:06] <tseng> i like to coordinate with meebey
[02:06] <tseng> we are a team
[02:06] <tseng> if he doesnt like it, i do it anyway
[02:06] <ajmitch> the pkg-mono crack team
[02:06] <tseng> but at least i give him first option :)
[02:06] <slomo> lol
[02:06] <Lathiat> haha
[02:07] <slomo> what have you done that he possibly don't like? ;)
[02:07] <tseng> gtkhtml
[02:07] <tseng> firefox
[02:07] <ajmitch> tseng: dropped gtkhtml < 3.8?
[02:07] <ajmitch> and what have you done w.r.t firefox?
[02:08] <ajmitch> since sid still has mozilla-firefox
[02:08] <slomo> Lathiat: ok, sent the mail to menno ;) have you done your's?
[02:08] <ajmitch> heh, 'mozilla-venkman'
[02:09] <tseng> its not the meebey doesnt like things i do
[02:09] <tseng> they just dont always suit debian
[02:09] <tseng> we build all our gtkmozembed stuff with firefox
[02:09] <tseng> debian doesnt ship gtkmozembed from ff
[02:09] <ajmitch> I had zomb complaining about my changelog when I did my first f-spot upload :)
[02:09] <tseng> hah he was just busting you
[02:10] <slomo> tseng: but what have you done with firefox? gtk# doesn't use mozilla/firefox... only gecko# does... or did you update this too? ;)
[02:10] <tseng> um
[02:10] <tseng> i didnt mean gtk# specifically
[02:10] <tseng> gecko#, blam, beagle
[02:11] <slomo> oh... sounds nice :) blam and beagle for gtk#2?
[02:11] <tseng> moo?
[02:12] <slomo> are the updated blam and beagle using gtk#2? ;) i don't know whether they've switched finally...
[02:12] <tseng> beagle in cvws
[02:12] <tseng> cvs
[02:12] <tseng> blam
[02:12] <tseng> good luck
[02:12] <tseng> you are lucky it even works at all
[02:13] <tseng> its hard
[02:13] <Lathiat> heh
[02:13] <donsmith> I always preferred liferea anyway
[02:13] <Lathiat> i use blam
[02:13] <tseng> gross
[02:13] <whiprush> heh
[02:13] <donsmith> the folder support is the killer feature
[02:14] <Lathiat> what got me stuck to it
[02:14] <slomo> tseng: lol ok... so your updated blam and beagle still use gtk#1? :/
[02:14] <Lathiat> was marking posts read from one feed read in another
[02:14] <slomo> donsmith: yes, liferea is really nice :)
[02:14] <tseng> slomo: yes
[02:14] <slomo> tseng: :( hm, then we maybe can drop gtk#1 for breezy+1... lets see what happens ;)
[02:14] <ajmitch> slomo: we can only hope
[02:15] <tseng> yeah certianly not now
[02:15] <ajmitch> MD uses 2, right?\
[02:15] <slomo> ajmitch: yes
[02:16] <tseng> tomboy, blam, monodoc will stay at 1.x
[02:16] <tseng> cowbell, muine, md, beagle, monopod
[02:16] <tseng> 2.x
[02:16] <tseng> f-spot
[02:16] <tseng> monodoc will be a tough sell
[02:16] <tseng> its right under miguels nose
[02:16] <tseng> and he smokes major crack about gtk#
[02:17] <slomo> hehe... what are his arguments to not use gtk#2 for it?
[02:17] <tseng> that not enough people have gtk+ 2.4 installed
[02:18] <slomo> who are these people? i don't know anyone who still uses somethin < 2.4... even the machines at our university have 2.4
[02:18] <tseng> "enterprise distros"
[02:18] <tseng> see
[02:19] <ajmitch> novell distros, he means
[02:19] <tseng> miguel has some customers that he pushes NLD on
[02:19] <tseng> yes
[02:19] <tseng> and it is shitty and old
[02:19] <slomo> grmpf
[02:19] <tseng> he thinks this is a good target audience
[02:20] <tseng> the community has distros from the last 6 months
[02:20] <tseng> suse pro, ubuntu, fedora
[02:20] <slomo> this people even don't use a fairly up to date mono... how can they be a good target audience?
[02:20] <tseng> eh
[02:20] <tseng> they install mono from redcarpet
[02:20] <tseng> its updated all the time
[02:22] <tseng> good
[02:23] <slomo> hrm... tseng, when i hack together a patch for monodoc which let it use gtk#2... can we try to ship this for breezy+1 when it's stable? probably not or what do you think?
[02:23] <tseng> slomo: im not mucking with that
[02:23] <tseng> slomo: it should happen in that timeframe anyway, I think
[02:23] <tseng> that is 8 months from now
[02:24] <slomo> tseng: ok, let's wait... otherwise i'll try ;) finally some coding again ;)
[02:24] <tseng> a few more people will install gtk+-2.4 or something
[02:24] <tseng> any changes in cowbell svn btw?
[02:24] <tseng> oh i have a checkout right here
[02:25] <slomo> tseng: no, nothing... i hope cowbell isn't dead :/
[02:25] <tseng> doubt it
[02:25] <tseng> ajmitch: which did you get again?
[02:26] <tseng> i have a dell inspiron 6000, i think it will be cake
[02:26] <tseng> similar kit to my 600m
[02:26] <ajmitch> apparantly a latitude D510 or something
[02:26] <tseng> fancy
[02:26] <ajmitch> something fairly basic
[02:26] <ajmitch> hardly fancy
[02:26] <tseng> all the laptops shipping are lowend afaik
[02:26] <slomo> hmm... everybody got one... ;)
[02:26] <ajmitch> tseng: nah, there were some highend ones shipped
[02:27] <whiprush> an x41 iirc
[02:27] <tseng> whiprush: !
[02:27] <tseng> whiprush: google chat me
[02:27] <whiprush> k
[02:27] <tseng> brandon.hale
[02:27] <slomo> tseng: ah you also have a googletalk account? ;) but as long as they don't open their doors for other jabber servers i won't use it...
[02:27] <tseng> yeah
[02:28] <tseng> you have my other jabber
[02:28] <whiprush> i'm sure they will eventually
[02:28] <slomo> whiprush: i hope they will... that would be the best support jabber ever had ;)
[02:28] <whiprush> yes.
[02:29] <ajmitch> and I hope they get proper open standards for the voip parts
[02:31] <Lathiat> an x41? damn
[02:31] <whiprush> I think it's sip ajmitch
[02:31] <ajmitch> whiprush: SIP in the 'near future', they say
[02:31] <whiprush> which would be cool.
[02:31] <ajmitch> but not SIP at the moment
[02:31] <whiprush> ah
[02:32] <ryanthiessen> whiprush: I think the reason to block other jabber servers was over spamming fears, not sure how they will easily overcome that in the short term
[02:32] <slomo> ajmitch: btw, did you had a chance to look at my mcatalog package and did jacek write a mail to you regarding nemerle?
[02:32] <whiprush> I'm sure it'll all work out.
[02:33] <ajmitch> slomo: I have no email about nemerle that I see
[02:33] <slomo> ryanthiessen: hm, seems like a bad solution for spam prevention... they better add something for that to their client
[02:36] <ryanthiessen> slomo: from what I can deduce, they are concerned that anyone can get a jabber account on a stray server and message someone on google talk, easy pickings for spammers.  but to get a gmail account you need to be invited or use your US cellphone, making that sort of spamming easier to stop.  so, it's not a simple problem to overcome, but whiprush is right they probably will eventually
[02:36] <ajmitch> excellent, got f-spot to crash & burn
[02:37] <tseng> how?
[02:37] <ajmitch> slideshow, go forward a few images.. hit left arrow to try & go back, space again to go fowards a couple of times & it dies
[02:37] <ajmitch> IndexOutOfRangeException
[02:38] <tseng> huh
[02:38] <tseng> good one
[02:38] <slomo> ryanthiessen: but the solution now is like this: you can only get mail from other gmail users and write mails to other gmails users...
[02:38] <tseng> better file a bug for 0.1.2
[02:38] <slomo> ryanthiessen: that can't be the right solution against spam
[02:38] <ajmitch> man, some scary photos in my collection
[02:39] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.dyndns.win.co.nz/Images/Brooke/114_1456.JPG
[02:40] <tseng> hm
[02:41] <ryanthiessen> slomo: indeed, I think it's a stop-gap until they can figure out a better way -- and if they want to do interop with aim/yahoo/etc they need to figure that out anyhow
[02:43] <slomo> ryanthiessen: do they really plan to interop with other IM system with jabber transports? that would be the killer feature then for the normal user ;) currently they don't have anything the others don't have... but are missing many functions the others have
[02:45] <tseng> they have voice
[02:45] <tseng> and the google brand
[02:45] <slomo> tseng: others too... icq had it since ~2000 iirc
[02:45] <whiprush> server to server and open voice would be nice.
[02:45] <whiprush> that would be the only 2 things missing imo.
[02:46] <slomo> whiprush: yeah... exactly :) and maybe open video chat... maybe with the protocol apple uses in ichat
[02:47] <whiprush> all I want is sip so that I can buy service from any provider.
[02:47] <whiprush> I would so get rid of my phone.
[02:47] <tseng> most sip providers lock you into their hardware
[02:47] <tseng> which is locked firmware
[02:47] <whiprush> yeah but enough decent ones exist.
[02:48] <ryanthiessen> slomo: they haven't said how, but they say they want to.  indeed, that would killer.
[02:50] <slomo> tseng: do you know whether mono's System.IO.FileSystemWatcher uses inotify?
[02:54] <tseng> slomo: it does not.
[02:54] <tseng> it should use inotify and fall back on fam
[02:54] <tseng> in a perfect world
[02:54] <slomo> and in our world it just polls?
[02:54] <tseng> i think it uses fam
[02:55] <tseng> which could mean "just polls"
[02:55] <tseng> in a round about sort of way
[02:55] <slomo> so it uses gamin which uses inotify (i hope)
[02:55] <tseng> erm
[02:55] <tseng> "maybe"
[02:55] <slomo> ok... for breezy it does? ;)
[02:56] <tseng> beats me
[03:07] <Mitario> re
[03:07] <Mitario> everyone
[03:13] <Mitario> any motu around still? :)
[03:14] <slomo> tseng: hm... at least it works better than Gnome.Vfs.Monitor... this one doesn't notice anything except when the metadata of a file is changed :(
[03:14] <slomo> tseng: but seems to be a general issue with gnomevfs atm... at least it doesn't notice when i put a cd in
[03:14] <slomo> Mitario: yes, i'm here ;) welcome back :)
[03:15] <Mitario> slomo, thanks :) i'm a bit drunk but not enought to be unable to fix packages :)
[03:15] <slomo> Mitario: hehe, same here :)
[03:16] <slomo> Mitario: but i'm working on something else ;)
[03:16] <Mitario> heh ok :)
[03:16] <Mitario> slomo can you look at some debdiffs I made earlier in a few?
[03:16] <Mitario> (including kaffe)
[03:17] <slomo> Mitario: sure... but this doesn't help you much (except my blessing ;) )... i'm also waiting for elmo to give me upload rights like you do
[03:17] <Mitario> ahh right :)
[03:17] <slomo> can you give me an url?
[03:17] <Mitario> they will be up on MichielSikkesMOTU (w.u.c)
[03:17] <slomo> Mitario: (over a month now...)
[03:18] <Mitario> hrm
[03:18] <Mitario> i tried to contact him the last few days
[03:18] <Mitario> but hes been busy with the server crashes and such
[03:18] <slomo> Mitario: he doesn't work on weekends... and he's always busy ;)
[03:18] <Mitario> hehe :)
[03:20] <Mitario> there's some weird problem with my mouse in X again :(
[03:20] <Mitario> it's really slow
[03:20] <Mitario> had taht problem a few weeks ago too
[03:20] <Mitario> but then it just left
[03:21] <Mitario> bah, my trousers are full of beer
[03:21] <slomo> Mitario: haha :P btw, when you're interested you can do the whole wx 2.5 -> 2.6 transition :) there's more 2.5 stuff lying around
[03:22] <Mitario> slomo, oh sure, you have a pkg list somewhere
[03:22] <Mitario> crimsun, still awake? :)
[03:22] <Mitario> actually i'm very active when I'm drunk so..
[03:24] <slomo> Mitario: i don't have a list... and don't know how to create a list for unmet deps of only one package :(
[03:24] <slomo> Mitario: maybe parse apt-cache unmet | grep --context 5 wx
[03:25] <slomo> Mitario: and your "fixed" debdiffs look ok... i would upload them if i could ;)
[03:25] <Mitario> they are already uploaded :)
[03:25] <Mitario> but I've not added new ones yet
[03:26] <slomo> hum... ok ;)
[03:26] <Mitario> brb restarting X
[03:36] <tseng> slomo: what are you trying to do?
[03:36] <slomo> tseng: where? the wx stuff or gnomevfs?
[03:36] <tseng> slomo: vfs
[03:37] <slomo> tseng: i'm trying to get an event when a file i'm watching get's changed or deleted
[03:37] <tseng> slomo: beagle and muine-inotify have direct inotify hooks
[03:38] <slomo> hmm... when the gnomevfs behavior doesn't change i'll take their solution... thanks :)
[03:39] <tseng> there is also a gnomevfs patch
[03:39] <tseng> to use inotify in place of fam
[03:39] <tseng> the other two you need from cvs / patch
[03:40] <slomo> hmm... but in breezy we have gamin as a replacement for fam so this shouldn't matter... but it seems gnomevfs has a bug
[03:40] <tseng> or gamin
[03:40] <slomo> yes... at least something is wrong there ;)
[03:42] <pef> have you an idea for a program managing jobs requests ? (when you have sent a letter, when you have to recall the society, ...)
[03:42] <pef> an idea for the name of the program
[03:42] <pef> (program I'm writting)
[03:43] <pef> (gpl of course)
[03:51] <Mitario> "workfloor" ;)
[03:51] <Mitario> hi ogra
[03:55] <Mitario> any more packages which need love?
[04:00] <slomo> every package apt-cache unmet lists ;)
[04:00] <Mitario> heh yeah, ajmitch was also looking at them :)
[04:00] <slomo> or do you know something about slang? then i have something more difficult for you ;)
[04:00] <tseng> there are plenty to share
[04:01] <Mitario> tseng, true
[04:02] <Mitario> sometimes I don't udnerstand, I run that unmets command  which generates that list, and it lists xpdf
[04:02] <Mitario> I apt-get install xpdf, and it just works
[04:04] <slomo> Mitario: which unmets command? apt-cache unmet or the one from the wiki?
[04:04] <slomo> Mitario: the one from the wiki lists source packages... maybe xpdf has some other binary package which can't be installed
[04:04] <Mitario> the one from the wiki
[04:04] <Mitario> hmm, ok
[04:08] <tseng> Binary: xpdf-utils, xpdf-common, xpdf-reader, xpdf
[04:08] <Mitario> yeah, but they all install correctly here
[04:09] <tseng> all seem fine to me
[04:10] <slomo> hmm
[04:10] <ajmitch> possibly a broken Suggests, then
[04:11] <ajmitch> apt-cache unmet is a little strange like that
[04:14] <slomo> apt-cache rdepend also... it lists Conflicts/Replaces
[04:31] <slomo> good night everbody (aaaah... 4:30 am here...)
[04:34] <tseng> bye slomo
[04:48] <Mitario> gonig too
[04:48] <Mitario> night everyone
[04:48] <Mitario> 4:48 here now :)
[05:27] <crimsun> Mitario: yes?
[05:27] <crimsun> d'oh
[06:07] <StrikeForce> Can I get someones opinion on Bittorrent
[06:08] <crimsun> the protocol or the program or the company?
[06:08] <StrikeForce> lol
[06:08] <StrikeForce> no the program
[06:08] <StrikeForce> I've downloaded 4.0.4 now when creating the deb files should I create 2 binaries?
[06:08] <StrikeForce> e.g. bittorrent and bittorrent-gui?
[06:09] <crimsun> you would need to if it provides both, yes.
[06:09] <crimsun> there is hesitation regarding bt4's new license
[06:09] <crimsun> more than likely it would have to go into multiverse in breezy+1
[06:09] <StrikeForce> oh ok
[06:10] <StrikeForce> I thought  it was still open source?
[06:10] <crimsun> it is, but the license is questionably restrictive
[06:10] <crimsun> there has been some discussion on debian-legal
[06:10] <whiprush> what did he change the license to?
[06:10] <StrikeForce> nope
[06:10] <whiprush> nm, I see
[06:10] <StrikeForce> its bittorrent-open-source license
[06:10] <StrikeForce> ffs :(
[06:11] <whiprush> heh
[06:11] <crimsun> StrikeForce: that's fine for multiverse. It may not be fine for universe or main.
[06:12] <StrikeForce> yeah
[06:12] <StrikeForce> I just reread it :(
[06:12] <StrikeForce> Jabber Open Source License 1.0 (the "JOSL") He's basically copied this
[06:12] <StrikeForce> and edited further
[06:15] <StrikeForce> stupid question I know but how do I know what to separate for bittorrent and bittorrent-gui?
[07:14] <vincent_> Hi, I am going to program Atmel AVR micro-controllers and the program required to program these chips, called 'avrdude', is not in Synaptic.
[07:15] <vincent_> There are the packages 'avrp' and 'avrprog', but both of them are now ovsolete and ought to be removed.
[07:16] <vincent_> Avrprog can be downloaded here : http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/avrdude/
[07:16] <crimsun> we can put avrp and avrprog as morgue candidates
[07:16] <crimsun> ok, you mean avrdude
[07:16] <vincent_> It compiles with no problems on an up to date Breezy, just requires the package 'tetex' otherwise the make will fail.
[07:16] <crimsun> and it's REALLY late in the release cycle for pushing in new packages, but if you have working debs, please put them on revu
[07:17] <vincent_> I have been invited on the ubuntu-users to try and make a package for MOTU, but I have never done it so will need to study the subject first... :-/
[07:18] <vincent_> I did make a deb package with 'checkinstall', but I was told that this is not good/useable for the Ubuntu repo.. :o(
[07:19] <vincent_> Yes avrdude not avrprog, sorry for the typo/confusion ! :-/
[07:21] <vincent_> Yes it's late, but no problem, since It's easy to compile apparently. I was only asking to put on th elist for Breezy+1, so that in the future I can install it more easily :o)
[07:23] <vincent_> Ah, while I am at it, the 'C' libraries are also waaaay out of date, would be good to have updated. The package is name avr-libc and the URL for download is : http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/avr-libc/
[07:24] <whiprush> looks like it's in sid already
[07:24] <vincent_> I don't know how difficult avr-libc is to install, but I guess it can' be complicated as it's not a program, but just a bunch of files/libraires to copy in /usr/lib IIRC.
[07:28] <vincent_> Oh great, the latest avrdude is indeed in debian, so I guess it will land in Breezy+1 automatically ? They also have avr-libc but sadly the version is still very very old :-/
[07:29] <whiprush> yeah it'll probably get picked up automatically
[07:29] <whiprush> it wouldn't hurt to check on it when that time comes though
[07:32] <vincent_> Yes I think as soon as Breezy comes out and development on Breezy+1 starts (hence the debian sync), I will check that avrdude is indeed picked up, and if avr-libc isn't updated, I will take the time to learn how to make a pacakage of it from source, and give it to you guys for approval... ;-)
[08:44] <Burgundavia> whiprush, how is the fridge coming?
[09:29] <Mithrandir> ogra: do you mind if I pull mercurial into universe?   I see
[11:59] <robotgeek> siretart: i am positive i am on breezy, but is there any other confirmation?
[12:00] <siretart> I cannot reproduce it on x86, so maybe there is some package on ppc missing
[12:00] <robotgeek> siretart: that's what the old bug said too, i guess it was not fixed upstream or so?
[12:01] <siretart> dependencies most likly not  a upstream bug but a distribution bug
[12:01] <robotgeek> okay...so, filing a new bug was the right action?
[12:02] <siretart> I'm not sure yet. have to see the cause first
[12:02] <robotgeek> is there any more information you guys would need?
[12:03] <robotgeek> maybe if i just wait, it will all go away :)
[12:03] <siretart> hm
[12:03] <siretart> robotgeek: can you install libmodplug0?
[12:04] <siretart> according to http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libm/libmodplug/1:0.7-4ubuntu1/ it has been sucessfully built
[12:04] <robotgeek> E: Package libmodplug0 has no installation candidate
[12:05] <robotgeek> maybe they just need to update the breezy mirror?
[12:05] <siretart> libmodplug0 was renamed to libmodplug0c2
[12:05] <siretart> because of cxx transition
[12:05] <siretart> so vlc needs a rebuilt against the new package
[12:06] <robotgeek> okay...i am new to this, so i kinda lost u :)
[12:06] <siretart> and this is the reason: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/v/vlc/0.8.2-1ubuntu3/
[12:07] <robotgeek> okay
[12:07] <siretart> robotgeek: ok, I'll try to explain it to you
[12:07] <siretart> robotgeek: vlc has been uploaded to be rebuilt to match the newer libmodplug
[12:07] <siretart> robotgeek: libmodplug was changed because of new compiler gcc-4.0
[12:07] <robotgeek> okay
[12:08] <siretart> robotgeek: the problem you are experiencing is, that the newer vlc got build on x86, but not on ppc
[12:08] <siretart> robotgeek: because according to the buildlog (http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/v/vlc/0.8.2-1ubuntu3/vlc_0.8.2-1ubuntu3_20050827-0148-powerpc-failed.gz) it uses some special magic on ppc
[12:08] <robotgeek> siretart: so compiling from source wouldn't work for me, good i din't do it :)
[12:08] <robotgeek> i think might have to do with alitvec
[12:08] <robotgeek> *alitvec
[12:09] <siretart> robotgeek: the problem is that it fails to build from source on ppc
[12:09] <siretart> yes, it looks like it
[12:09] <robotgeek> *altivec*
[12:09] <siretart> as I don't have a ppc, I cannot debug this problem
[12:09] <robotgeek> nah, just tht will let you guys know..totem-xine works fine too :)
[12:09] <siretart> so we need to wait for someone with ppc, who can look into this problem and provide a patch, so we can build ppc again
[12:10] <siretart> vlc is great crack. It would really be great to have it on ppc, too
[12:10] <robotgeek> i can try compiling it, patching it...farcry!
[12:10] <siretart> ajmitch! :)
[12:10] <ajmitch> siretart: !
[12:10] <robotgeek> :)
[12:10] <siretart> :)
[12:11] <robotgeek> anyways, i am heading off to sleep. thanks guys!
[12:12] <ajmitch> siretart: you want me to try & use it to compile something?
[12:12] <siretart> robotgeek: sleep well!
[12:12] <robotgeek> thanks..i'll just update the bug report before i go off, so that ppl don't have to look
[12:13] <siretart> ajmitch: vlc FTBFS on ppc because of some altivec magic failing, because of gcc-4.0 (just a guess)
[12:13] <SloMo_> hi
[12:13] <SloMo_> i can try later on ppc when my ibook boots again ;)
[12:14] <robotgeek> somebody already did!
[12:14] <slomo> ok ;)
[12:14] <robotgeek> great, now i can go off to sleep listening to the audiobook of 1984!
[12:15] <robotgeek> nite
[02:53] <Mitario> good morning everyone
[02:54] <slomo> good morning Mitario :)
[02:56] <Mitario> shlal I try and ping elmo again? :/
[02:57] <sistpoty> hi folks
[02:57] <Mitario> hey sistpoty!
[02:57] <Mitario> know the problem with kaffe btw :)
[02:57] <sistpoty> cool :)
[02:57] <sistpoty> did you solve it?
[02:58] <Mitario> yeah sort of, it builds at least, but there's some configure bug in the upstream source, which doesn't include -I/usr/include/freetype2
[02:58] <Mitario> so you'll have to put --with-includes in at configure time
[02:59] <sistpoty> good work :)
[02:59] <Mitario> or looking at configure.ac, you can add the option --with-gtk-cairo which will include the freetype headers, BUT that one FTBFS
[03:00] <sistpoty> hehe, didn't have any look on running autoconf/automake either ;)
[03:00] <sistpoty> s/look/luck/
[03:01] <Mitario> brb reboot
[03:02] <tseng> UMODE +E EVERYBODY!
[03:04] <sistpoty> i finally managed to register to nickserv *g*... maybe i can reclaim my nick on dsl reconnect this way as a side-effect :)
[03:04] <tseng> i really hate global message spam
[03:05] <sistpoty> same as me... and i also hate these bloody /me is away msgs to all channels, though i don't know where to turn this of in kvirc
[03:06] <sistpoty> s/of/off/
[03:07] <sistpoty> ping siretart
[03:08] <siretart> sistpoty: hi!
[03:08] <sistpoty> huhu, great news about revu-server :)
[03:08] <siretart> sistpoty: good to see you, I've been searching for you :)
[03:08] <sistpoty> hehe, sorry, came home late last night
[03:08] <siretart> sistpoty: http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi
[03:09] <siretart> sistpoty: svn and trac already moved, but I think I'll need your help moving the sql database ;)
[03:09] <sistpoty> yeehaa! good work :)
[03:16] <Mitario> re
[03:21] <siretart> wb Mitario
[03:22] <Mitario> anyone needs help with a package he's been working on? or shall I just continue with unmetdeps
[03:27] <siretart> unmet deps is fine
[03:42] <Mitario> can anyone look at the two debdiffs on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichielSikkesMOTU?
[03:51] <slomo> Mitario: lets ping elmo together tomorrow, ok? :)
[03:53] <slomo> Mitario: your debdiffs look fine... but my in-brain textparser seems to be broken ;) what did you change at the build-depends for kaffe?
[03:53] <sistpoty> ok, revu is currently moving... please don't upload/comment to revu atm
[03:55] <Lathiat> siretart: but dude! aptgetorg should totally come first
[03:55] <Lathiat> its the obvious choice
[03:55] <Lathiat> we need hot new stuff (tm) now
[03:56] <siretart> Lathiat: our new, canonical sponsored server for revu has arrived
[03:56] <siretart> Lathiat: sistpoty and me are currently moving revu
[03:56] <Lathiat> siretart: oh sweeet
[03:56] <Lathiat> siretart: that rocks
[03:57] <Lathiat> wheres it hosted?
[03:57] <sistpoty> canoical rock :)
[03:57] <siretart> Lathiat: at serverpronto.com, in us
[03:57] <Lathiat> cool
[03:57] <siretart> absolutley!
[05:12] <HiddenWolf> Hey guys, could you get the new tvtime into universe? it fixes some bugs.
[05:27] <siretart> HiddenWolf: which bugs?
[05:30] <HiddenWolf> Some shit with drivers and kernel modules.
[05:31] <HiddenWolf> my bttv module keeps resetting. 0.99 should solve it, and in the time I've hung out in #tvtime, those issues have come up in multiple variants.
[05:32] <Lathiat> i have an issue with that
[05:32] <Lathiat> but im not so sure its not my card at fault
[05:32] <Lathiat> i get all sorts of lovely PCI errors
[05:32] <siretart> HiddenWolf: I fail to see how an updated tvtime fixes bugs in bttv. can you point me to some relevant bugnr?
[05:33] <HiddenWolf> siretart, no, I can't. I just see a lot of people coming into #tvime who mostly seem to be helped with 0.99
[05:34] <siretart> HiddenWolf: I don't think that this is a strong reason to break UVF
[05:34] <siretart> hm
[05:35] <siretart> debian is still at 0.9.15
[05:35] <siretart> HiddenWolf: perhaps you can prepare a new version?
[05:35] <HiddenWolf> siretart, I haven't compiled anything in ages, and never made a .deb
[05:36] <HiddenWolf> So I would, but I'd need some serieus figuring out to do. :P
[05:38] <siretart> HiddenWolf: any dev online?
[05:39] <HiddenWolf> vektor just went afk, it seems.
[05:48] <siretart> :)
[05:48] <HiddenWolf> so tell me, how do I turn a .tar.gz into an app. :P
[05:48] <siretart> uufff.
[05:48] <siretart> thats a long story.. ;)
[05:49] <HiddenWolf> It's quite essential to me.  :P
[05:58] <Lathiat> hrm
[05:58] <Lathiat> ipac-ng is totally broken in breezy
[06:04] <Mitario> hi everyone :)
[06:06] <Mitario> slomo, i've added --with-includes :)
[06:06] <Mitario> slomo, oh right nothing in build depends
[06:06] <Mitario> I added and removed libfreetype6-dev
[06:06] <slomo> Mitario: hmm... weird ;)
[06:07] <HiddenWolf> OMG. I've got windows media player streams working in firefox. :)
[06:08] <Mitario> slomo, yeah, maybe a whitespace somewhere
[06:08] <Mitario> any motus around?
[06:09] <slomo> Mitario: we two... ;) and siretart is probably also there... at least 10 minutes ago he has written something
[06:09] <Mitario> yeah I mean, with upload rights ;)
[06:10] <siretart> and hungry..
[06:10] <Mitario> ahh ftp-master dead again?
[06:10] <siretart> seems so
[06:10] <siretart> njam!
[06:10] <siretart> :)
[06:10] <Mitario> hmm, I'm in for mac donalds :D
[06:11] <slomo> wah... mc donalds is ugly :P only the chicken nuggets are good there ;)
[06:11] <Mitario> yeah :D
[06:11] <Mitario> and the strawberry milkshakes
[06:12] <Mitario> not much happening in breezy today :)
[06:13] <Mitario> hmm, CC this tuesday
[06:13] <Mitario> hope I can be there :/
[06:13] <Mitario> hmm, lots of emergancy services today
[06:17] <Mitario> wow it's 22 C over heer
[06:17] <Mitario> re*
[06:24] <Mitario> btw, what's the progress of helping with AptGetOrf?
[06:24] <Mitario> g*
[06:24] <Mitario> reviewing?
[06:24] <Mitario> hmm, talk a lot don't
[06:24] <Mitario> I
[08:04] <Mitario> re
[08:04] <Mitario> is the aalib transition done?
[08:05] <Mitario> oh right minus -dev
[08:09] <SloMo_> Mitario: i've done that already
[08:09] <SloMo_> Mitario: just waiting for someone to upload
[08:09] <Mitario> ok
[08:10] <Mitario> you've done every one of them?
[08:10] <slomo> mplayer is done anyways... that's just an old binary flying around
[08:11] <slomo> and i've done every one of them except the stuff in main (notified infinity about that, he will have a look tomorrow) and the stuff i can't fix
[08:11] <Mitario> ok, cool
[08:11] <slomo>  fte, dbacl, dosemu, slsc, smilutils
[08:11] <slomo> thats the stuff i can't fix
[08:12] <slomo> but these also need slang2 transition... aalib is no problem ;)
[08:12] <slomo> and these programs are a bit harder to port to slang2 then the other ones... need great changes in the sources... so when you know something about slang look at them ;)
[08:13] <Mitario> heh, to be honest, I don't :/
[08:13] <Mitario> but I can try and look
[08:14] <slomo> hehe... the simple changes are SLang_Error has been replaced by int SLang_get_error(void) and void SLang_set_error(int)
[08:14] <slomo> everything else is hard... and for these packages (except dosemu) upstream seems to be dead...
[08:15] <Mitario> should be a slang2 api doc somewhere
[08:15] <Mitario> i assume
[08:15] <slomo> yes... wait...
[08:16] <slomo> there are also all changes listed
[08:17] <Mitario> oki
[08:17] <slomo> port?
[08:17] <Mitario> port/rebuild
[08:17] <slomo> ok ;)
[08:17] <slomo> ftp://space.mit.edu/pub/davis/slang/v2.0/slangdoc-2.0.4.tar.gz
[08:17] <Mitario> well by building fdclock, it seems it can't find some cairo functions
[08:17] <slomo> there's the slang2 doc
[08:17] <Mitario> so maybe even port port :/
[08:17] <Mitario> ok
[08:18] <slomo> hehe when you don't want to port fdclock i'll do... some reason to look further into cairo :)
[08:18] <Mitario> hmmm this looks weird: fdclock.c:44: warning: implicit declaration of function 'cairo_set_rgb_color_REPLACED_BY_cairo_set_source_rgb'
[08:18] <Mitario> well If you really want to, be my guest :)
[08:19] <slomo> ok, i'll take it when you want :) but lets not work on the same package at the same time ;)
[08:19] <Mitario> sure, go ahead, if you have time :)
[08:19] <Mitario> then i'll move on to another pkg
[08:20] <slomo> ah and for the slang2 doc... seems like it's out of date for some functions... there you have to look to slang.h or even the slang2 sources...
[08:20] <Mitario> ok
[08:22] <slomo> ok, fdclock looks easy but it's a reason to look into cairo :) i'll do it when i'm back later... please don't take this package back ;)
[08:24] <Mitario> you can have it :)
[09:46] <tgall> anyone awake to answer some "newbie" type questions ...
[09:47] <tgall> specifically,  does ubuntu have a similiar document /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/menu-policy.html/ch2.html#s2.1  like debian does ?
[09:47] <tgall> this is for setting up debian/menu.ex for a new package
[09:48] <JanC> Ubuntu uses de XDG standard for menu entries
[09:49] <tgall> hmm gotta pointer for some docs on thta ?
[09:49] <tgall> afraid I'm rock stupid on that topic
[09:49] <JanC> hm, I have link somewhere
[09:50] <tgall> thanks JanC!  I sure would appreciate it when you find it!
[09:50] <JanC> yeah, just wade through a zillion unsorted bookmarks  ;)
[09:51] <tgall> well wonder how lucky I'd get on google
[09:58] <JanC> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fmenu_2dspec
[09:58] <tgall> thanks!
[10:00] <JanC> maybe for stuff that's not in there that debian menu policy is still the way to go
[10:00] <JanC> someone in -devel should know
[10:36] <tgall> hmm ok stupid question #2 of the day,  how do you jam include files into the "fakeroot" for building a .deb ?
[10:36] <tgall> IE I need tcl.h
[10:36] <tgall> fakeroot debian/rules binary   <-- that's what I'm using to build the package
[10:38] <Mitario> crimsun, around? :)
[10:39] <Mitario> tgall, just install the library which contains tcl.h
[10:40] <Mitario> and i recommend you use dpkg-buildpackage or debuild
[10:40] <Mitario> just tips :)
[10:40] <tgall> shouldn't fakeroot do that tho  if it's listed in the Depends: section of the control file ?
[10:40] <Mitario> no, that's the job of a build daemon, to install those packages
[10:40] <Mitario> for example pbuilder
[10:41] <tgall> ahhh
[10:48] <Mitario> tgall, which program are you packaging? :)
[10:49] <tgall> dirdiff
[10:49] <tgall> my first experience with the debian build tools
[10:50] <tgall> I'm too jaded by rpm and gentoo's portage
[10:50] <tgall> fun to dive into something new!
[10:52] <Mitario> :)
[11:05] <Mitario> hmm, I have libcoin20c102 here
[11:05] <Mitario> shouldn't that become libcoin20?
[11:09] <ajmitch> yes
[11:10] <ajmitch> it's been transitioned in debian
[11:10] <ajmitch> so ask for a sync (no new upstream, just debian revision)
[11:13] <Mitario> hmm, elmo's been busy the last few days, i'll ask him when I talk to him
[11:15] <Mitario> c++ packages are going to base, and C libs to +c2 right?
[11:16] <ajmitch> umm what?
[11:16] <ajmitch> libs that have a C ABI get no library rename love
[11:16] <ajmitch> since the c2 is talking about the C++ ABI only
[11:17] <ajmitch> so you can have a C++ lib that exports only a C interface for apps, so it doesn't need transitioned (socketapi was one)
[11:19] <Mitario> ok
[11:29] <crimsun> Mitario: there's a summary at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyToolchainTransition under "C++ ABI Transition"
[11:30] <Mitario> crimsun, k thanks
[11:30] <Mitario> crimsun, happen to have time to take a peek at some debdiffs I made? :)
[11:31] <crimsun> Mitario: in a few minutes; let me get a drink first :)
[11:31] <Mitario> oki :)
[11:35] <Lathiat> ajmitch: woo
[11:35] <Lathiat> ajmitch: avahi 0.2 -> release
[11:35] <Lathiat> ajmitch: therefor, packages-> ubuntu :)
[11:35] <ajmitch> Lathiat: good, get them to me ASAP
[11:36] <Lathiat> ajmitch: will do
[11:36] <Lathiat> ajmitch: just ahve to get updates from ross when he gets around
[11:36] <ajmitch> great
[11:36] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/avahi/announcement-0.2
[11:38] <slomo> Mitario: fdclock is boring :( there is already a patch for this problem in cvs :/
[11:38] <Mitario> sladen, ohh
[11:38] <Mitario> sladen, patch it?
[11:38] <Mitario> :)
[11:38] <slomo> sladen? :P
[11:38] <Mitario> bah
[11:38] <Mitario> stupid xchat tab :p
[11:38] <slomo> hehe... i'll update it and upload it to revu in a few minutes :) maybe someone can upload it then for me...
[11:39] <Mitario> hmm, right still need to get a revu account myself
[11:39] <sladen> slomo: ;-)
[11:39] <slomo> Mitario: and we have to get real upload rights tomorrow ;)
[11:39] <Mitario> yeah
[11:39] <Mitario> and elmo has to sync some pkgs for me :)
[11:40] <crimsun> Mitario: got a url?
[11:40] <Mitario> crimsun, MichielSikkesMOTU
[11:41] <crimsun> oh, at the top, duh
[11:41] <slomo> Mitario: why the MOTU?
[11:41] <crimsun> I kept scrolling down to the bottom
[11:41] <Mitario> crimsun, heh
[11:43] <Mitario> Lathiat, day good? :p
[11:43] <Lathiat> Mitario: good day apparently but yeh
[11:43] <Mitario> isnt that dobrie dzien :)
[11:43] <Mitario> instead of dzien dobrie?
[11:43] <Mitario> or doesnn't it matter..
[11:44] <Mitario> just asking, i'm not a czech/hungary :p
[11:44] <Mitario>  /slowakian, whatever :)
[11:44] <Lathiat> yeh well someone who apparently speaks polish said that
[11:44] <Lathiat> so
[11:44] <Lathiat> i beleive them
[11:44] <Lathiat> i knwo nothing
[11:44] <Mitario> ah :)
[11:44] <Mitario> yeah
[11:47] <crimsun> I think upload.u.c is broken again
[11:47] <Mitario> hm bah
[11:48] <drrakn> q: is it appropriate for non-MOTUs to post suggested universe packages to UniverseCandidates?
[11:48] <crimsun> drrakn: sure
[11:49] <drrakn> would I need to provide a package? or is a pointer to upstream sufficient + a description/justification?
[11:49] <crimsun> a package is best
[11:50] <drrakn> k
[11:50] <drrakn> thanks
[11:54] <Mitario> bye everyone
[11:54] <Lathiat> night
[11:54] <Lathiat> or should i say mroning for me
[11:54] <Lathiat> 5:54am :)


[00:00] <MarkDude> And cant help it when I get near a ladders, need to sing Mamboo #5 and climb and dance
[00:01] <MarkDude> Tanong; is it rude to pretend I dont know, and to call Wally from EB Hanunoo, and pretend that tribe is all bald?
[00:01] <MarkDude> Hanu meaning like pala, as in all forhead
[00:02] <MarkDude> But as far as your bigger picture, what do you want to learn, and how much slef teach do you want to do?
[00:02] <MarkDude> self
[00:02] <JOSHUAPOT> Lol at like the Rogelios
[00:04]  * MarkDude made some jokes trying to tie in Aldub and Filipino mythology, not many got it
[00:04] <MarkDude> https://twitter.com/Aral_Balikan/status/656370355754266624
[00:04] <JOSHUAPOT> Hmm, short term goal...I've experienced applying an upgrade as well as a dist-upgrade once and ended up with a no-boot OS. I would like to understand how to revert back to a working state removing what broke which. Long term goal would be to focus on network security so maybe I'd be using Kali most of the time since the tools mostly work without is
[00:04] <JOSHUAPOT> sues with it. I don't know what Kali is based on but it just fits what I'd like to do. The Aral Balikan Rizal pic is cool by the way :)
[00:05] <MarkDude> Bathala asked Visayan God, what you gonna do with that desert, made me think of EB
[00:05] <MarkDude> Ty, I did him doing pabebe wave too
[00:05] <JOSHUAPOT> I don't really have much time for self teach right now because I am working for a BPO for believe it or not MS. Lol, when it's time to go home most of the time is spent with family but I do find time to read up from time to time. Not to mention play with VM's when at work
[00:06] <JOSHUAPOT> Yeah, they play that song a lot on that show.
[00:09] <MarkDude> Thats how many in Linux make a living
[00:09] <MarkDude> MS things
[00:09] <MarkDude> PM me your email, I can think of a few events you could meet people
[00:10] <JOSHUAPOT> Yeah, it actually piqued my interest when you said that CentOS overlaps enterprise things on OpenSource and Server stuff. Specially when you said that most people get IT work off of that skill
[00:10] <JOSHUAPOT> Sure :)
[00:11] <MarkDude> I know one of CDOs groups might be of use. And you would qualify as use case for my Fedora efforts. We have a theory that as you teach folks, more use Linux, the better. Some of them will stay and make Ubuntu more awesome, some will do other things
[00:11] <MarkDude> Besides, gives me an excuse to reach out to UP
[00:12]  * MarkDude has all sorts of silly titles I can use to make it fancier, let alone with some bobong kano writes greeting in Baybayin, it gets attenion
[00:12] <MarkDude> Yes
[00:12] <JOSHUAPOT> My partner is form UP. She might be able to reach out but she's been out of Uni for a while now so I cannot commit to anything
[00:12] <MarkDude> No worries, thats my best skill, finding contacts, and getting spaces for events.
[00:13] <MarkDude> More like a lets get together in coffe shop type thing (Fedora drops for coffee maybe)
[00:13] <MarkDude> and go from there
[00:14] <MarkDude> Some of what CDO is doing is re-starting some groups that have not been meeting
[00:14] <JOSHUAPOT> Yeah, it's awesome that somehow the advocacy for OpenSource also opens up our country and culture to other nations as well. I just hope this does not become a reason for FOSS to be even more segmented.
[00:16] <MarkDude> See if you can try a CentOS in a VM, or sumthin. They want a real push to grow
[00:16] <MarkDude> And it would make CDO seem nationwide with such interest
[00:16] <MarkDude> RedHat bought Centos in last few years, so there has been fine tuning, and gettting ready to promote
[00:17] <MarkDude> Cent has goal of being close to Upstream, or projects closer to the kernel
[00:17] <MarkDude> The folks you could meet this way are some high up connections
[00:18] <JOSHUAPOT> I am getting scared already. My skillset is laughable at best
[00:18] <MarkDude> Cent saves you time on rollouts of many machines
[00:18] <MarkDude> Again, this is more looking at what you want to do
[00:18] <MarkDude> Also, what is fun
[00:19] <MarkDude> Many projects need art help, you can do things with Design teams
[00:20] <MarkDude> There are also some globalization efforts that you could help with in short time. Localizing for region/translation
[00:20] <MarkDude> Of course most Pinoys can speak English, but a nice starter thing to just get them installed and going
[00:20] <MarkDude> These are being done by folks in many places
[00:20] <JOSHUAPOT> Maybe I can help with that, I do have some talent with art stuff but I mostly work with traditional stuff, pencil and paper...the boring stuff hahaha
[00:21] <MarkDude> Tried GIMP?
[00:21] <MarkDude> Krita is supposed to be awesome, but takes some work to do
[00:21] <JOSHUAPOT> Yep, I tried that when I was still customizing themes for the PSP
[00:21] <JOSHUAPOT> GIMP I mean, it's been years though
[00:21] <MarkDude> And take pics of your drawings and digitize them
[00:21] <MarkDude> Its a bt better
[00:22] <MarkDude> There is what you can do now, and what you want to learn. And the long term
[00:22] <MarkDude> Art transfers to any project, as do globalization/trqanslations
[00:22] <MarkDude> Tagalog mo?
[00:22] <JOSHUAPOT> You're right, instead of just learning stuff on my own it's still best to expose myself and broaden my network.
[00:23] <MarkDude> Yep, and be worried if a Fedora guy says ONLY join Fedora, or Ubuntu person forces their ideas
[00:23] <MarkDude> Its what you may like
[00:24] <MarkDude> If your partner is interested in some, the bigger communities have many fun things to offer too
[00:24] <JOSHUAPOT> Yup, art is a part of everything. If MS is following Metro UI, Google has Material Design, I am actually wondering which design standard will be recognizable for the community. I like Elementary OS but I don't like that it's always labeled as a Mac rip off
[00:26] <JOSHUAPOT> Yeah, I get what you mean. I don't understand how OpenSource can become so segmented.
[00:26] <JOSHUAPOT> I will take your advice and take one step at a time. Thank you for making this day a lot better mate!
[00:27] <MarkDude> You bet. I emailed before I forgot. I can see what the CDO folks have going, they go by ITG, and do more than just Linux btw :)
[00:28] <JOSHUAPOT> ITG? Hmm, I still don't get what CDO stands for but if they have a social network account I am sure I will find them.
[00:28] <MarkDude> Last dumb link for me to share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF0H9NaIlfk
[00:29] <MarkDude> They do And yes Cagayan de Oro.
[00:29] <JOSHUAPOT> That's some mad editing skills hahaha
[00:29] <JOSHUAPOT> take care Mark :)
[00:29] <MarkDude> Just not sure, they have python and other folks
[00:29] <MarkDude> Paalam JOSHUAPOT
[00:30] <MarkDude> Oh, I wanted you to see I had Fedora, and Ubuntu stickers to my left
[00:30] <MarkDude> Penguin Family. Laters


[08:36] <Geochr> Hi all, Ubuntu Greece have succesfully publish treir magazine in Ubuntu software center the issues 13&14. Now we release a new one issue, is there any process which can do in order to speed the puplish issue 15 ?
[08:36] <Geochr> The magazine, is just a pdf file.
[14:12] <Geochr> Hi all, in Ubuntu Greece we have succesfully publish our magazine in Ubuntu software center since the two previous issues 13&14. Now we release a new issue, is there any process which can follow in order to speed up the puplish issue 15 ? The magazine is always a pdf file.
[14:12] <Geochr> Is there any hepl ?
[14:12] <Geochr> help*
[14:25] <Keith__> I am a .Net developer fiddling with Python and Ubunto. I used Quickly to get up and running on app development on Ubunto
[14:26] <Keith__> My ? is how can I get my application to go fullscreen? I have googled and seen stuff like Window.fullscreen() but I cannot get that to work
[23:42] <allquixotic> Is there a way to request the PPA infrastructure to build a package based on the latest revision of a bazaar branch?
[23:43] <allquixotic> I have "debianized" source but it'd be easier to have the infrastructure create the source package rather than uploading it myself