[03:05] <maco> is bzr case insensitive?
[03:05] <maco> like, i cant have a directory and a file with the same name where one is capitalised and the other isnt?
[03:05] <maco> cuz it's getting unhappy at me when i try, and this is annoying
[03:06] <dash> on what OS?
[03:09] <maco> ubuntu
[03:10] <maco> i had a dir named gally and did  "bzr mv gally Gally" then wanted to rename Gally.py to gally so tried "bzr mv Gally.py gally" (so my executable has a nice lowercase name with no extension) and bzr is angry
[03:11] <maco> $ bzr mv Gally.py gally
[03:11] <maco> bzr: ERROR: Could not move Gally.py => Gally: Gally is already versioned.
[03:11] <maco> i thought maybe i needed to commit the first mv before i could do it, but i did that and it still gives this error
[11:28] <spiv> maco: bzr should work just fine with files that differ only by case, if the filesystem allows it.
[11:30] <spiv> maco: e.g. I just tested 'bzr mv Foo.txt foo.txt' in a fresh branch locally and it DTRT.
[11:30] <poolie> hi spiv
[11:43] <spiv> Good evening poolie
[11:50] <lvh> hello
[11:50] <lvh> is this the right place to ask for stuff about bzr-eclipse?
[11:51] <lvh> I'm trying to move to eclipse from emacs but so far the bzr support is really confusing me
[11:51] <lvh> I can get it to work when everything behaves like a single branch, but I'm used to (and I suspect most people are) single repo + many branches
[11:52] <lvh> I don't understand how to import such a layout (eg; Twisted/ (this is the repo) with Twisted/twisted (trunk), Twisted/mypatch-whatever, ...)
[11:59] <spiv> lvh: this is a good place to ask (but unfortunately I personally don't have any experience with bzr-eclipse)
[12:00] <spiv> I suppose if there's a #eclipse they might know something too.
[12:00] <lvh> spiv: from what I heard the person convincing me to try eclipse copped out and moved back to svn
[12:00] <lvh> spiv: I'll try #eclipse, thanks :)
[12:02] <lvh> (in his defense, svn support in eclipse is probably about the best in the world)
[12:11] <lvh> apparently the trick is to not use bzr integration in eclipse
[12:11] <lvh> (keep a terminal open instead)
[12:31] <lvh> http://laurensvh.be/dump/bzr/Screenshot-Event%20Details%20.png
[13:38] <lifeless> poolie: I'm going to head off, I'm a bit over enclosed rooms and its all gnunet for the rest of the afternoon
[13:38] <poolie> heh
[13:38] <poolie> where are you now?
[13:38] <lifeless> ro your right
[13:39] <lifeless> near the door
[13:39] <poolie> for a clean getaway
[13:39] <lifeless> duh duh duh daaaaaaaa
[13:39] <poolie> hm
[13:39] <poolie> block diagrams
[13:40] <poolie> nice people though
[13:40] <lifeless> \o/
[13:40] <lifeless> yes
[13:40] <lifeless> you'll be ok ? :)
[13:40] <poolie> want to see stevea tomorrow?
[13:40] <poolie> i'll cope
[13:40] <lifeless> would love to
[13:40] <poolie> i think in retrospect i would have made more talk more concrete
[13:41] <lifeless> 20/20
[13:47] <mgz> heh, communicating where you are in the same room over irc?
[13:49] <mgz> lifeless: just to double check something I vaugely remember you telling me, is it your intention that TestCase instances should be gc-ed after being run now?
[16:34] <maco> spiv: right i managed doing one step of that. now try "bzr mv blah Foo.txt" so you're moving something into where the old name was... it doesnt like htat
[16:40] <rockstar> spiv, I've reproduced her bug.  It does look like some sort of case-insensitivity issue.


[07:56] <dous> prgrmr: hi
[08:13] <prgrmr> dous:  hi
[08:14] <prgrmr> dous:  can you help me?
[08:21] <dous> prgrmr: what's the problem?
[08:21] <prgrmr> what do i need to install for jdbc?
[08:23] <dous> prgrmr: what database will you be using?
[08:23] <prgrmr> mysql
[08:24] <dous> you can try the libmysql-java package
[08:32] <prgrmr> ok, i try runing this http://pastebin.com/697510 , the problem is in the code?
[08:32] <prgrmr> (line 7 is "Class.forName("com.mysql.jdbc.Driver");")
[08:35] <dous> you should add the jar to your classpath
[08:37] <prgrmr> dous: like this CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:/usr/share/java/mysql.jar ?
[08:48] <dous> yup
[08:48] <prgrmr> ok, 10x :)
[08:53] <dous> Lok?
[01:03] <prgrmr> why do i get Exception on Connection connection = DriverManager.getConnection("jdbc:mysql://localhost/", "root", "****"); ?


[02:28] <beuno> nixternal, mdke, anyone one who added "Mario Danic" to the planet?
[02:28] <beuno> theres spam all over it
[02:35] <nixternal> I just noticed that when I opened akregator
[02:35] <popey> looks like his domain expired
[02:35] <popey> will email him to let him know
[02:35] <popey> (on his gmail account registered in launchpad)
[02:36] <beuno> popey, I'm pushing the changes too  :D
[02:36] <beuno> how did he get on the planet not being an ubuntu member?
[02:36] <nixternal> I am going to temporarily #comment out his account
[02:37] <beuno> nixternal:
[02:37] <beuno> beuno@beuno-laptop:~/ubuntu/planet-ubuntu$ bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:37] <beuno> Pushed up to revision 287.
[02:37] <beuno> removed
[02:37] <beuno> :D
[02:37] <beuno> popey, ^
[02:37] <popey> hem
[02:37] <popey> meh even
[02:37] <nixternal> ok, thanks
[02:37] <popey> beat me to it :)
[02:37] <beuno> how did he get on the planet in the first place?
[02:37] <popey> wel
[02:37] <nixternal> isn't he a dev?
[02:37] <beuno> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu/config/main/revision?start_revid=mario%40frugal-20060924115213-7fe29619f099b85e&file_id=config.ini-20060801091459-2bb99d9d3e935c01
[02:37] <popey> likely his domain just expired thats all
[02:37] <beuno> theres the revision
[02:37] <popey> nothing nefarious
[02:38] <beuno> right, just curious
[02:38] <nixternal> ahh, that is pygi, he should have been removed months ago when he quit working on edubuntu
[02:38] <beuno> (that also makes me think if expired memberships should be removed or not from the planet)
[02:38] <nixternal> beuno: just remove his account totally...he isn't a member anymore I don't think
[02:38] <nixternal> I think he quit everything
[02:39] <popey> expire: 2008-09-03 13:17:41 (registry time)
[02:39] <popey> his domain expired 3 days ago
[02:39] <popey> picked up by search spammers
[02:39] <beuno> right, quick bastards
[02:41] <beuno> we should send an email *somewhere* so we can discuss if expired members get their blogs removed  (I think it makes sense)
[02:42] <popey><EMAIL_ADDRESS>and cc: Marios gmail account as specified in launchpad?
[02:43] <beuno> popey, that would be the procedure to remove his blog I believe (although in this case I think it's pretty clear it should be removed first)
[02:43] <beuno> I send an email now
[02:43] <popey> problem is that it's not the result of Mario being an ex-ubuntu person, but the fact that his domain expired.. which is something different
[02:43] <popey> i.e. if my domain expired (it has happened) then I'd expect people to remove mine
[02:43] <beuno> right, the other one isn't related, just popped into my head  :D
[02:43] <popey> or let me know :)
[02:43] <popey> ahhh
[02:44] <popey> nn
[02:44] <beuno> heh
[02:44] <beuno> sleep well popey
[08:22] <mdke> beuno: given that continuing ubuntu membership doesn't really require continuous contribution to Ubuntu, there's no real value in insisting people are removed from planet when they stop working on ubuntu
[08:51] <popey> morning mdke
[08:52] <mdke> morning popey
[08:52] <popey> i thought  membership was supposed to "run out" after 2 years unless you go back to the CC?
[08:52] <mdke> popey: so did I, but actually what seems to happen is that it's indefinitely renewable by the individual
[08:53] <mdke> apparently that is intentional, even though I personally don't like it much
[08:54] <popey> hmm
[08:54] <popey> ah well
[08:54] <popey> :)
[08:54] <mdke> wow, pavarotti died
[08:54] <popey> yeah
[09:55] <popey> ftp://ftp.freiesmagazin.de/2007/freiesMagazin-2007-09.pdf wow - what a really well done magazine
[10:44] <popey> another screencast goes live \o/
[02:03] <popey> can someone tell me what email address is assigned to my user under drupal on the fridge
[04:09] <beuno> popey, alan_at_popey.com
[04:09] <popey> hmm, I am not getting the password reminders
[04:10] <popey> could someone please reset my password and tell me what it is?
[04:10] <beuno> mdke, I'm not sure perpetual membership is the best idea either...    myabe it was implemented because of the lack of time of the CC?   streamlined membership should take care of that
[04:15] <Rinchen> popey, do you need a pw reset on fridge?
[04:17] <popey> Rinchen: beuno just did it, thank you
[04:17] <Rinchen> great, thanks
[04:36] <tck> popey, just isn't happening
[04:47] <popey> tck: eh?
[04:49] <tck> in regards to list
[04:49] <popey> ahhh
[04:49] <popey> patience is a virtue
[04:49] <tck> i was told two days ago it would be done , thats after 2 weeks
[04:50] <popey> I'd demand a refund if I was you
[04:50] <tck> sure
[04:50] <tck> definitely
[04:50] <tck> its about perception
[04:50] <tck> and if locos have to go through hoops everytime to get something minor as this, they'll just give up
[04:51] <popey> well, that clearly isn't the case is it
[04:51] <popey> and you're not going through any hoops
[04:51] <tck> im very determined ;)
[04:51] <popey> you're waiting
[04:51] <popey> no, i mean, there are lots of loco teams
[04:51] <popey> so this clearly isn't a major deal that lots of people give up is it?
[04:51] <tck> i doubt people had to wait this long popey not even yourself
[04:52] <popey> how long have you been waiting?
[04:52] <tck> which lists did you get, screen casts?
[04:52] <popey> yes
[04:52] <tck> aug 19th
[04:52] <popey> I honestly don't recall how long I waited, i just sent the message off and left it
[04:52] <beuno> tck, I waited around 2 months for the -ar list
[04:52] <tck> ar ?
[04:53] <popey> Argentina
[04:53] <tck> ouch :P
[04:53] <tck> it prob. takes under 10 mins to set a list up
[04:54] <popey> i can see from both sides
[04:54] <popey> i am one of the administrators for lug.org.uk, and we setup mailman accounts for UK LUGs
[04:54] <popey> and we don't do it "in 10 mins"
[04:55] <tck> well from first notice to creationg prob. not
[04:55] <tck> but the actual process of doing it, once you know it has to be created
[04:55] <tck> *Creation
[04:56] <beuno> tck, I believe it has to do woth the queue of things in front of it then the time it actually takes to create it
[04:56] <popey> well, for us, yes, it doesn't take _that_ long of course
[04:56] <tck> beuno, i agree
[04:56] <popey> indeed, plus the other things the people have to do
[04:56] <popey> priorities
[04:56] <tck> this is why i think something has to change, like set aside the work for somebody else
[04:56] <tck> beuno, waiting two months for your loco list is ridiculous
[04:57] <beuno> tck, I've read that jono is working on that
[04:57] <tck> beuno, ok
[04:58] <popey> tck: what do you think should be delayed so they can work through mailing lists?
[04:58] <Rinchen> W00t!
[04:58] <popey> the release, security updates?
[04:59] <beuno> yay!
[04:59] <popey> heh
[04:59] <popey> whats being done to it?
[04:59] <Rinchen> Nothing will make my dancing less awkward :-)
[04:59] <popey> some bug fixes?
[04:59] <popey> any of you lot going to UDS?
[05:00] <Rinchen> Well, we're going to start with the raft of bug fixes and theme improvements.  Then, we've been given the go ahead to look at revamping it completely.
[05:00] <Rinchen> I'll be at UDS but probably just the last day, I have other meetings during that time.
[05:01] <Rinchen> Alan, let's make sure to meetup. mrevell-tea will be there too
[05:01] <tck> popey, nothing should be delayed, but if jono wants somebody to look after, contribute or help out in anyway
[05:01] <tck> i want to help
[05:01] <tck> so for loco teams in the future can get going quickly
[05:01] <mrevell> popey, Rinchen: Yep, a meet-up would be good.
[05:05] <mrevell> popey: Good to hear you'll be at UDS, btw. Schwuk'll be there too, Mirco, Jono ... quite a few LugRadio types :)
[05:05] <popey> yay
[05:09] <Rinchen> I just hope he doesn't start doing backflips over the beds.  hehe
[10:01] <mdke> beuno: no, apparently it is policy
[10:02] <beuno> mdke, aaah, weird, but I'm sure there's a reason, thanks for the info  :D
[10:03] <Rinchen> well, we're going to fix that via launchpad :-)
[10:03] <mdke> beuno: well, I'm not sure, but still
[10:03] <Rinchen> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/team-mailing-lists-schema-changes
[10:04] <Rinchen> Should be available by the end of the year
[10:04] <mdke> I don't think that's related, unless I missed a part of the discussion
[10:05] <beuno> mdke, I think that ties in with tck's conversation
[10:05] <Rinchen> ah sorry, I missed part of it while rebooting. I thought you were discussing the mailing list issue. My bad.
[10:05] <mdke> ah, I hadn't caught up on the scrollback
[10:07] <mdke> ooh. This Canonical queue sounds interesting. I'd like to have documentation on there
[10:07] <mdke> how does it work?
[10:08] <mdke> Rinchen: ^
[10:08] <Rinchen> mailing lists or the queue?
[10:08] <mdke> the queue
[10:09] <Rinchen> well, I plan out with all the teams their commitments to each release.
[10:09] <Rinchen> e.g. this release:
[10:09] <Rinchen> https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+milestone/1.1.9
[10:09] <mdke> launchpad teams or all Canonical teams?
[10:09] <Rinchen> all teams can use it but this the Launchpad specific area
[10:09] <Rinchen> btw, I use edge for testing
[10:10] <mdke> right. presumably the fridge is a non-launchpad area
[10:10] <Rinchen> so you can drop edge if you want the normal view
[10:10] <Rinchen> yes
[10:10] <Rinchen> So you can setup milestones, dependencies, etc.... anyone can
[10:10] <Rinchen> and mailing lists will be associated with each team if they want them
[10:10] <Rinchen> not sure if that covered your exact question
[10:11] <mdke> no, i mean this concept of bumping projects up in the Canonical queue you mentioned
[10:11] <Rinchen> OH!
[10:11] <Rinchen> hehe sorry
[10:11] <mdke> it sounds like there is a way for projects to have more or less importance
[10:12] <Rinchen> it's my way of saying that I've increased the priority given to the Fridge by Canonical resources
[10:12] <Rinchen> there is no "queue" per se
[10:12] <mdke> oh ok
[10:12] <mdke> still, interesting...
[10:12] <Rinchen> I wrote a big note about how the Fridge needs love and it got attention.
[10:13] <Rinchen> I made a convincing argument when I included fridge-like urls that are doing news and such.
[10:14] <Rinchen> and the fact that nixternal's theme improvements have not yet been applied.  etc
[10:15] <mdke> you mean other sites?
[10:17] <mdke> sounds cool
[10:17] <Rinchen> yes... ubuntunew.something, etc.  I found a few of the big ones
[10:17] <mdke> we have loads of those for documentation :)
[10:17] <Rinchen> indeed :-)
[10:18] <Rinchen> So the short term goal is to fix all the bugs and theme
[10:18] <Rinchen> the longer term goal is work on proposals for overhauling the fridge
[10:18] <mdke> cool
[10:18] <mdke> we definitely need some of that love for documentation
[10:38] <popey> so those of us who are going should blog on the fridge?
[10:38] <popey> maybe it should be?
[10:39] <beuno> popey, that's actually an interesting idea...
[10:39] <popey> also note that each person who has a logon to the fridge _has_ a blog on the fridge
[10:39] <popey> which they can elect to promote to the front page
[10:39] <beuno> although it would duplicate information for those of us who already have it syndicated seperatly
[10:39] <popey> "it"?
[10:40] <beuno> the fridge and planet
[10:40] <mdke> summaries of each day would be really helpful
[10:40] <beuno> mdke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingUbuntuDevelopmentConferences
[10:40] <beuno> I have a spec for that  :D
[10:41] <Rinchen> beuno, re: UDS info zone - yeah, that would be nifty
[10:41] <beuno> so if I don't manage to go, I'll need to find a few volunteers to help me get that done
[10:41] <mdke> good one; lately the ubuntu development process has become so focused on the conferences and specs that it's difficult to follow sometimes
[10:41] <popey> how about creating a category on the fridge, and only subscribing that to planet ubuntu?
[10:41] <popey> so not every article appears
[10:41] <popey> plus you can subscribe it and then remove it after
[10:42] <Rinchen> We did summaries on the Fridge a while back. UDS MTV maybe? Sometime before I joined the editors team
[10:42] <beuno> I actually think having the fridge syndicated on the planet is a good idea
[10:42] <popey> we don't get enough articles on fridge to make it spammy on the planet
[10:42] <beuno> Rinchen, yeap, although I personally would love to have videos to understand why some decisions where made
[10:43] <Rinchen> popey, can I ask a favour?  Can you update  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Rejuvenate   with your ideas and pass this to fridge-devel please?
[10:43] <Rinchen> I'd like to get some comments going there
[10:43] <popey> I will gladly take a video camera and record every talk I am in
[10:43] <popey> if I have enough tapes
[10:43] <beuno> the last UDS was a complete mystery to everybody who didn't attend. All we know is that jono spelt on a couch
[10:43] <popey> hahah
[10:43] <Rinchen> hehe
[10:44] <popey> http://jonobaconfanclub.co.uk/ :)
[10:44] <Rinchen> When the loco team folks are the UDS, they usually blog about the events
[10:44] <beuno> or slept  :p
[10:44] <popey> my fault, sorry
[10:44] <beuno> hahahaaaaaaaaaaa
[10:44] <Rinchen> well at least his mouth isn't open
[10:44] <popey> marquee and blink are ironic I hasten to add
[10:44] <beuno> I did not know about that!
[10:45] <beuno> popey, it would rick if you could record them!
[10:45] <popey> well, each one is an hour, there are ~7 hours in a day for 5 days, so thats 35 tapes
[10:46] <Rinchen> popey, idea:
[10:46] <beuno> popey, the idea would be to divide the task among 3 or 4 people at least
[10:46] <Rinchen> Canonical has an icecast service setup internally. We may be able to extend that for the UDS
[10:46] <Rinchen> You'd have to talk to Jono about that though.  Not my area.
[10:46] <popey> ok, so a few people with cameras
[10:46] <popey> some people don't like being on camera
[10:47] <popey> would be worth asking canonical if they mind
[10:47] <beuno> yes, and even video streaming would be nice, they have that setup very nicely at debconf
[10:47] <popey> it could be that development is stifled if people are on camera and they feel they cant talk frankly
[10:48] <Rinchen> popey, actually, I'm going to email about the rejuv page
[10:48] <Rinchen> but I hope you can contribute to it
[10:48] <beuno> popey, I saw a talk a few weeks ago Mark gave in 2005 in which he said "all of Ubuntu's development is done in the open, nothing behind closed doors or private lists"
[10:48] <Rinchen> Pretty please with sugar on top
[10:48] <beuno> so I expect UDS have the same spirit :D
[10:48] <popey> hahaahah
[10:49] <popey> i am pretty sure that one of the teams (desktop or distro) had a meeting today where they decided that alternate meetings would be private
[10:49] <beuno> and since the next release is going to be LTS, I think it's even more critical that it's well recorded
[10:49] <beuno> oh, not good
[10:50] <beuno> not good at all...
[10:51] <popey> #ubuntu-meeting today
[10:52] <popey> 12:24:03 < kwwii> right, ok...let's just plan every second meeting to be private then
[10:53] <beuno> did they agree?
[10:53] <popey> i believe so
[10:53] <popey> that was 12:24 BST which is 11:24 UTC
[10:57] <beuno> < cjwatson> my team is trying out 50/50 FWIW
[10:57] <beuno> aaaaargh...
[10:58] <beuno> I'll have to start emailing people now...
[10:58] <beuno> :(
[10:59] <beuno> mdke, you're CC, how should I bring up this subject?
[11:03] <beuno> hmmm...  and also much of what they talk about is in a Canonical's wiki, which isn't publicly available either...
[11:15] <Rinchen> ok email sent
[11:16] <popey> to?
[11:16] <Rinchen> fridge-devel
[11:17] <Rinchen> and why is the topic locked on #ubuntu-fridge?
[11:18] <popey> it is?
[11:19] <popey> no
[11:19] <popey> hmm, now I have to remember how to deop
[11:19] <beuno> popey, -nick in the same command
[11:20] <popey> que?
[11:20] <beuno> popey, /msg nickserv op -popey #ubuntu-fridge
[11:20] <popey> ahh
[11:21] <popey> nope
[11:21] <beuno> or: /deop popey #ubuntu-fridge
[11:21] <popey> that got it!
[11:21] <beuno> :D
[11:21] <popey> Rinchen: feel free to change the topic :)
[11:24] <Rinchen> I'm not allowed
[11:24] <Rinchen> * #ubuntu-fridge :You need to be a channel operator to do that
[11:24] <popey> go for it
[11:25] <Rinchen> whoa
[11:25] <Rinchen> coool
[11:25] <Rinchen> maybe I should bow down now
[11:25] <popey> AIUI anyone with an ubuntu or canonical cloak can op themselves in #ubuntu-* channels
[11:26] <beuno> really??
[11:26] <beuno> oh
[11:26] <beuno> interesting...
[11:26] <popey> :)
[11:26] <popey> perk of being an ubuntu member and/or canonical employee
[11:28] <Rinchen> wow
[11:28] <beuno> that should be known a but more, shouldn't it?   I've been in situations a couple of times in #ubuntu* channels in which I had to find an op for some spammer
[11:29] <beuno> s/but/bit  :p
[11:29] <beuno> my keyboard hates me today
[11:29] <popey> well, at least I now feel useful being here :)
[11:29] <Rinchen> sweet op all works
[11:30] <Rinchen> doesn't seem to work on -meeting though
[11:30] <Rinchen> but that's quite alright.
[11:31] <Rinchen> I was just annoyed that fridge editors didn't have access the #ubuntu-fridge
[11:31] <Rinchen> s/the/to
[11:31] <popey> -meeting might be special;
[11:32] <popey> works for me
[11:32] <popey> 22:32:12 -!- mode/#ubuntu-meeting [+o popey]  by ChanServ
[11:33] <Rinchen> kinda sucks that I lost my ubuntu members cloak when I joined Canonical. I'm still on the  LP team but Canonical overrides it.
[11:33] <Rinchen> otoh, I have a huge cloak as is
[11:34] <beuno> I don't have access to -meeting either
[11:35] <Rinchen> in my case, i don't need it. :-)
[11:36] <Rinchen> Paul never answered my request for help on this channel either. I'm beginning to wonder if he's alive.
[11:36] <mdke> beuno: sorry, I'll try and catch up on the scrollback, not sure what you're talking about
[11:36] <Rinchen> I hope he is.
[11:36] <popey> mdke: i was in a meeting of the (distro perhaps) team who said they were alternating between public and private meetings
[11:36] <popey> beuno said he recalled that mark has commented that ubuntu conducts everything in public
[11:36] <beuno> it's on video  :D
[11:37] <mdke> what's the reason for the privacy?
[11:37] <popey> dunno, it was in -meeting today at 12:40 BST
[11:38] <popey> keybuk and cjwatson discussed it
[11:38] <beuno> mdke, I read through the log and they don't specify a reason, they just all implicetly agree some parts should be held on private, I assume it had been discussed before
[11:38] <popey> do you have the log or would you like me to spit mine out?
[11:38] <popey> oh, you found an online copy of the log beuno ?
[11:39] <mdke> I can't see it on fabbione's logs
[11:39] <beuno> popey, I'm with irssi so I jus scrolled back too  :p
[11:40] <mdke> to be honest, I was thinking recently that more publicity is needed for distro meetings, not less
[11:40] <mdke> there is very little by way of summaries sent around, it only happens occasionally afaics, although I may be missing something
[11:40] <beuno> mdke, fabbione's logs don't go that far yet
[11:40] <popey> http://popey.com/attachments/%23ubuntu-meeting.log
[11:40] <popey> 12:40 today
[11:41] <popey> 12:15:36 < Keybuk> and the next meeting question is whether you think the meeting should be public or private?
[11:41] <beuno> 08:16 < Mithrandir> agreed, public is better, we can have private meetings in between or switch to 50/50 if we end up having lots of private things coming up
[11:42] <beuno> and:
[11:42] <beuno> 08:27 < Keybuk> next up; you should have all seen the Team Mission?  It's up on the Canonical wiki now, and is the same text as that I mailed out to you all
[11:42] <beuno> 08:28 < Keybuk> if not, have a quick read over it now :)
[11:42] <beuno> 08:28 < Keybuk> https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuDesktopTeam
[11:42] <beuno> links to the canonical wiki
[11:42] <beuno> which is private
[11:42] <beuno> I already get very annoyed with that in Launchpad
[11:43] <beuno> I can't see many specs that have a blueprint
[11:43] <mdke> here's the reasoning:
[11:43] <mdke> 12:16:33 < Keybuk> but I also understand that the meeting is useful to ask company procedural stuff as well
[11:43] <beuno> so I end up explaining what I want to carlos, he looks it up and tells me if that's what the spec says or not
[11:43] <mdke> sounds like it's for non-development related things
[11:46] <mdke> assuming there are separate meetings to discuss development and separate meetings to discuss company business, that doesn't sound like a problem. But splitting 50:50 on a random basis sounds pretty unreasonable
[11:48] <beuno> mdke, it might be worth looking into it
[11:51] <mdke> emailing -devel would be the way forward, I guess
[11:52] <mdke> no need to be provocative, just to clarify things
[11:52] <beuno> absolutely, I'm sure there are very good reasones
[11:54] <beuno> mdke, will you send off the email or should I?
[11:54] <mdke> beuno: whichever you prefer
[11:56] <beuno> I think you'll be much more diplomatic
[11:56] <beuno> but it's not urgent at all, so sleep well  :D


[14:25] <ypwong> smartboyhw, i'm not familiar with iso.qa.ubuntu.com, so who to contact to remove some of the test cases in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/42572/testcases like "Install (entire disk with lvm and encryption)"
[14:25] <smartboyhw> ypwong, um um me?:P
[14:25] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:25] <ypwong> smartboyhw, you have the permission to update that?
[14:25] <smartboyhw> I should be able to do so
[14:25]  * smartboyhw is a testcase admin
[14:25] <ypwong> smartboyhw, i see, i have to discuss with JackYu
[14:26] <ypwong> just think it doesn't worth us to test all those test cases
[14:26] <smartboyhw> ypwong, :)
[14:26] <smartboyhw> I do agree
[14:27] <smartboyhw> ypwong, hmm we have a problem.
[14:27] <smartboyhw> These testcases are based on Ubuntu Desktop.
[14:27] <smartboyhw> ypwong, contact me a.s.a.p. for this, as this will require quite a bit of changes.
[14:27] <ypwong> smartboyhw, change of what?
[14:27] <smartboyhw> ypwong, testsuite for the product.
[14:28] <ypwong> smartboyhw, is it managed at bzr?
[14:28] <smartboyhw> ypwong, no
[14:28] <smartboyhw> It is ISO QA Tracker management.
[14:29] <ypwong> that's an internal system?
[14:30] <smartboyhw> ypwong, administration:P
[14:30] <smartboyhw> I think the QA lead of your flavour and JackYu and me and jiaowenli have privileges to change testsuites.
[14:31] <smartboyhw> But I think I'm the only one who can CREATE testsuites as well.
[14:32] <ypwong> who is jiaowenli?
[14:32] <smartboyhw> ypwong, dunno:P
[14:32] <smartboyhw> He is in the UbuntuKylin Release Team. Ask JackYu
[14:33] <smartboyhw> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntukylin-release-team
[14:33] <ypwong> i saw some of the test cases are maintained in bzr
[14:33] <smartboyhw> ypwong, that's not a TESTCASE problem, it's a TESTSUITE problem in the ISO QA Tracker.
[14:34] <ypwong> ok, i am sidetracking
[14:37] <JackYu> smartboyhw, ypwong, hi
[14:37] <ypwong> JackYu, hi
[14:37] <smartboyhw> JackYu, hey!
[14:37] <ypwong> just discussing about our tests
[14:37] <JackYu> I'm watch the news about the earthshock
[14:37] <ypwong> JackYu, that's shocking
[14:38] <ypwong> I was at Ya'an few months ago
[14:38] <JackYu> yes,very sad
[14:38] <smartboyhw> JackYu, ypwong the Sichuan 7.0 one?
[14:38] <smartboyhw> extremely sad
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Too many disasters these tiems
[14:38] <smartboyhw> First the Boston bombing, then the explosion in Texas, then this:(
[14:39] <JackYu> yep, we changed our website to black and white this afternoon.
[14:39] <smartboyhw> eee
[14:40] <smartboyhw> JackYu, ypwong can we get back to the main point?;P
[14:40] <JackYu> anyway, what we could do is make UbuntuKylin better.
[14:40] <JackYu> sure.
[14:41] <ypwong> JackYu, there are 5 mandatory tests about installation
[14:41] <ypwong> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/42572/testcases
[14:41] <ypwong> let's see which ones we can remove
[14:41]  * smartboyhw votes for the T-shirts :P
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Er too dizzy...
[14:42] <ypwong> t-shirts?
[14:42] <smartboyhw> ypwong, http://www.ubuntukylin.com/ukylin/upload/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=645&extra=page%3D1
[14:42] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:42] <JackYu> yep,  t-shirt for UbuntuKylin
[14:42] <ypwong> haha
[14:43] <smartboyhw> JackYu, grrr Ubuntu Studio is also planning T-shirts:P
[14:43] <smartboyhw> JackYu, ypwong suggested to remove the encryption thing
[14:43] <JackYu> smartboyhw: that's great. Do you have their pictures?
[14:43] <ypwong> too many colours to choose from
[14:44] <smartboyhw> ypwong, I agree
[14:44] <JackYu> smartboyhw: I agree.
[14:44] <smartboyhw> JackYu, which part?
[14:44] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:44] <smartboyhw> We are having two discussions here...
[14:44] <JackYu> remove the encryption thing
[14:44] <ypwong> JackYu, you plan to make t-shirts of 4 different colours?
[14:45] <JackYu> ypwong, I think 3-4 colors are enough.
[14:45] <ypwong> JackYu, and you need to have male and female sizes
[14:46] <JackYu> ypwong, yes, we plan to make 500 pieces this time:)
[14:47] <ypwong> wow
[14:47] <JackYu> smartboyhw: I agree to remove the encryption thing.
[14:47] <ypwong> good
[14:47] <ypwong> smartboyhw, gogogo
[14:47] <smartboyhw> JackYu, OK. Let me do some changes then
[14:47] <JackYu> ypwong, but need agreed by my boss:)
[14:48] <ypwong> JackYu, i thought you are the one to make decision :P
[14:48] <ypwong> then we wait for you
[14:48] <JackYu> ypwong, no, but my boss supports me most time:)
[14:49] <ypwong> sure
[14:51] <smartboyhw> JackYu, ypwong done please check
[14:51] <JackYu> smartboyhw: I was discussing with Ma Jun and jiaowen520li about the testcases today. We want to  add some other testcases for ubuntukylin-theme and fctix. What's your opinion?
[14:51] <smartboyhw> JackYu, it's OK as long as you test it:P
[14:52] <smartboyhw> If your testers don't test: No good at adding these
[14:52] <ypwong> JackYu, good idea
[14:52] <smartboyhw> They should all be Run-once though
[14:52] <smartboyhw> No mandatory
[14:52] <ypwong> smartboyhw, can you explain the difference?
[14:53] <smartboyhw> ypwong, Run-once means only 1 pass is OK
[14:53] <smartboyhw> mandatory means that ALL results of that testcase should pass.
[14:53]  * smartboyhw felt like an expert :P
[14:57] <JackYu> smartboyhw: I don't get the points:(. Could you explain  in Chinese?
[14:57] <smartboyhw> JackYu, uh oh.
[14:57] <smartboyhw> It will take some time, my Chinese typing speed isn't fast.
[15:01] <JackYu> smartboyhw: thanks.
[15:11] <ypwong> smartboyhw, btw, seems there is no a specific image called RC?
[15:11] <smartboyhw> ypwong, it would be produced on Monday.
[15:11] <ypwong> smartboyhw, schedule slipped?
[15:11] <smartboyhw> ypwong, JackYu the Ubuntu Release Team does suggest people to start testing now
[15:12] <ypwong> i see lubuntu has already started
[15:12] <smartboyhw> ypwong, just that the Ubuntu Release Team doesn't create the milestone on the Ubuntu ISO QA Tracker doesn't mean there aren't RCs.
[15:12] <smartboyhw> ypwong, and I did already:p
[15:12] <ypwong> smartboyhw, use the daily image, right?
[15:12] <smartboyhw> ypwong, yep.
[15:13] <JackYu> sure.
[15:14] <JackYu> smartboyhw: I'am planing to start QA next Monday:)
[15:19] <smartboyhw> JackYu, good.
[15:20] <smartboyhw> JackYu, we will be so busy at Thursday:P
[15:21] <JackYu> yep, a busy week:)
[16:39] <smartboyhw> ypwong: Ooh you followed me on Twitter! (which I rarely use)
[16:39] <ypwong> smartboyhw, heh, yeah
[16:39] <ypwong> i mainly use twitter, than g+ and facebook
[16:40] <smartboyhw> ypwong: Heh do I have you in my G+ circle?
[16:40] <ypwong> i don't know
[16:40] <ypwong> seems not?
[16:40]  * smartboyhw uses G+ more often.
[16:40] <smartboyhw> ypwong: Let me add you in then.
[16:41] <ypwong> me https://plus.google.com/115639562650234183959/posts
[16:42] <smartboyhw> ypwong: Done!


[12:05] <jphilips> anyone else have any opinions on this, so bluesabre can push it in - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/9


[02:50] <pleia2> meeting in 10 minutes
[03:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[03:00] <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting? :)
[03:00] <akk> o/
[03:01] <pleia2> woohoo, hi akk!
[03:01] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/13December15
[03:01] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/13December15 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:01] <pleia2> we don't have anything on the agenda
[03:01] <pleia2> I emailed philipballew on Thursday about scale, he's bugging Gareth for booth info + codes
[03:02] <pleia2> so hopefully we'll have the discount code for the team soon, and info about where our booth will be, how many booth volunteers get expo badges, etc
[03:03] <eps> Do we know when Full Access Pass rates go up?
[03:04] <pleia2> I don't see anything on their site about early bird registration or anything
[03:04] <eps> The current prices are the early bird prices. The discount codes take a percentage off, so it behooves people to register early.
[03:05] <pleia2> ah, no, I don't know when the prices change
[03:05] <eps> Hence we need to find out if there are Ubucon discounts ASAP.
[03:05] <pleia2> I know, that's why I emailed philip and he's talking to gareth :)
[03:06] <pleia2> our wiki page is coming together here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale12x
[03:06] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale12x - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:06] <pleia2> I signed up for stuff, assuming I'm going ;) If I can't make it I'll send the stuff down with someone else
[03:07] <pleia2> that's all I've got for scale really, hopefully philipballew will follow up on list soon with more details
[03:08] <pleia2> last event on the agenda for the year is an Ubuntu Hour in Mountain View
[03:08] <pleia2> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2661-ubuntu-hour-mountain-view/
[03:08] <pleia2> hopefully some people can come :)
[03:08] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour Mountain View | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[03:08] <eps> Yay!
[03:08] <akk> yay indeed! I'll be there with d, assuming he's over his cold by then and I haven't caught it.
[03:08] <pleia2> great (except for the cold, no fun!)
[03:09] <pleia2> we canceled the last meeting of the year due to holidays proximity
[03:09]  * pleia2 hopes to be on a beach in miami
[03:09] <pleia2> next meeting is on january 12th
[03:09] <pleia2> anything else, anyone? :)
[03:15] <pleia2> ok, have a great holidays everyone!
[03:15] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[03:15] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Dec 16 03:15:59 2013 UTC.
[03:15] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2013/ubuntu-us-ca.2013-12-16-03.00.moin.txt
[03:17]  * pleia2 seeks dinner
[08:12] <philipballew> pleia2, Apologizes for missing the meeting. Finals week is upon me and I will be working/ not sleeping for the next few days.
[08:13] <philipballew> My record this semester is 45 hours so we will see if I can beat it.
[17:13] <raevol> gdmrnng
[17:16] <akk> At first I expanded that into gotterdammerung (sp?)
[17:16]  * akk rubs her eyes and has more coffee
[17:22] <raevol> what's a gotterdammerung...?
[17:24]  * akk points toward wikipedia
[17:24] <akk> but basically it's like a Norse/German armageddon
[17:27] <akk> and also a long Wagner opera (that I haven't seen, but my mom was a Wagner fan)
[17:38] <raevol> Norse/... German...?
[17:39] <raevol> i see, a german opera about ragnarok
[18:05] <blitz> ragnarok online
[18:30] <raevol> basically


[12:52] <trijntje> https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+pots/webkit-strings/nl/+translate?batch=10&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all&show=new_suggestions&start=0
[12:53] <trijntje> Hi all, can someone go to that site and confirm that there is no 'save/continue' button?
[13:20] <fta> trijntje, there's a button, far on the right
[13:20] <fta> (it's confusing)
[13:22] <trijntje> fta, can you put up a screenshot somewhere, I really cant see a button
[13:24] <fta> trijntje, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/lp-button.png
[13:25] <trijntje> that is weird, I dont even get the button when I refresh
[13:26] <trijntje> is there something I can do to help people figure out what is going wrong?
[13:27] <fta> using chromium, right click on "Translated so far: ", inspect element, you should have the button in the next td
[13:30] <trijntje> ah wait, I see what the problem is. Some of those descriptions is so long that the button is pushed outside the browser window
[13:37] <fta> trijntje, yeah. i wrap them in the template, but they're unwrapped in the UI
[13:38] <fta> trijntje, so i'll get new nl translations in the next export ??
[13:39] <fta> nl is #16 atm
[13:39] <fta> out of 55
[13:42] <trijntje> fta, yes, there are several people working at chromium at the moment
[13:42] <fta> excellent
[13:42] <trijntje> is there some deadline for the export or do exports happen every week or so?
[13:43] <fta> i will blog about this in coming days
[13:43] <fta> +the
[13:44] <fta> the daily PPA has the freshest strings possible
[13:45] <fta> for all langs, even new langs not supported by upstream
[13:46] <trijntje> cool
[13:47] <trijntje> the descriptions for the strings are really nice btw, they really help making the context of a string clear
[16:10] <getxsick> what was pros and cons of using pre-version and post-version in daily snapshots? for some reason i use pre-version but can't remember why ;/
[18:41] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[18:42] <ActionParsnip> julia atkinson on launchpad questio
[18:44] <ActionParsnip> s. can her account and activity be reviewed
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> she is still spamming


[03:27] <h00k> Oh, hello.
[03:33] <h00k> gord just informed me about dragging-right-then-up-and-down-to-reorder, I would have never known had he told me about it, it wasn't extremely intuitive
[03:33] <h00k> I should specify, I'm talking about Unity
[03:51] <sense> vish: I added the proceedings of the Paper Cuts session to the wiki, and the work items to the blueprint. If you would ever read them and have a complaint, feel free to bug me!
[03:52] <vish> sense: link pls? :)
[03:52] <sense> vish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSProceedings/N/Other
[03:52] <sense> vish: And of course https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-papercuts
[03:53] <vish> sense: neat thx!
[03:53] <sense> thanks! yw
[17:10] <Cimi> MacSlow: are you busy dude?
[17:11] <MacSlow> Cimi, yes I'm working... but what's up?
[17:12] <Cimi> MacSlow: I need help with gdkinput only windows
[17:13] <Cimi> MacSlow: are you in a private room?
[17:13] <Cimi> MacSlow: I'm with ted
[17:13] <MacSlow> Cimi, hm... no
[17:14] <MacSlow> Cimi, there's a session going on here atm... so talking should be avoided here to not disturb people
[17:15] <Cimi> MacSlow: if you want to work, we're below the front desk
[17:15] <Cimi> MacSlow: there's a big desk
[17:15] <MacSlow> "below"?! :)
[17:15] <Cimi> lol
[17:15] <Cimi> backwards
[17:19] <MacSlow> Cimi, I need to finish something here first
[17:36] <sense> vish: Where is the link to the package description guidelines again? I can't find it.
[17:37] <vish> sense: ah! one sec
[17:48] <vish> sense: you've got mail! ;)
[17:48] <sense> thanks
[17:48] <vish> np..
[18:45] <fagan> where is iain when you want him to suggest some books :)
[20:23] <CaioAlonso> what tool do you guys use to make UI mockups?
[20:24] <CaioAlonso> like this one http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/image29.png
[20:28] <ronoc> Cimi_, did you find your laptop ?
[20:36] <Cimi_> ronoc: sure conor, thx
[20:36] <ronoc> Cimi_, phew good to hear
[20:36] <Cimi_> seb128: later I'd like to talk you on nautilus
[20:36] <seb128> Cimi_, ok
[20:50] <Cimi> seb128: are you free now?
[20:51] <seb128> Cimi, in a bit


[03:51] <viewer|88> hello
[03:52] <viewer|88> i wanna install kubuntu on ryzen 5 3500u
[03:52] <viewer|88> i can use it ?
[03:57] <Nomkid2> viewer|88 probably?
[03:58] <Nomkid2> I don't imagine there would be any incompatibilities, that's a pretty standard CPU these days
[04:33] <viewer|88> tjx
[04:33] <viewer|88> thx u
[05:25] <stephenlewis-M> I use kde neon on my work laptop using bootable usb image. Since its read only, everytime I reboot it deletes everything. How do I persist the plasma theming - keep a separate backup of current home setting - ~/.config/plasma*
[05:34] <diogenes_> stephenlewis-M, for that you need to create a USB drive with persistence.
[05:35] <stephenlewis-M> its a work laptop with secure boot turned on, so can't boot from persistent partitions - only read only usb sticks.
[05:36] <stephenlewis-M> I back up apps setting though for example my kwrite settings file, I simply copy: .config/kwriterc file
[05:37] <stephenlewis-M> I was wondering if my other settings like firefox add ons, plasma widget/themes/panels can be backed up like that
 @viewer|88, ofcourse, you can. download the iso and try
[06:20] <stephenlewis-M> My main system is kubuntu but i just wanted to make use of my company's laptop 😛. Is there anyway to automate theme/widget instllation like a bash script in usb images?
 @stephenlewis-M, you can make a persistent usn
 but it can't be guaranteed how good will it go
[06:24] <stephenlewis-M> i tried rufus to create persistenst storage, doesn't work in this lenovo thikpad tpm and all security enabled laptop
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:56] <Maik> user|25893: please fix your connection ;)
 Hey I uninstalled breeze theme mistakenly.  … When I am trying to login this problem occurs . After entering my password I m clicking enter but nothing is happening
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8rAGBdRr/file_42695.jpg


[19:41] <cjdg_> hi there guys, finally configured my znc
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> cjdg_: Hi! Thank you!
[20:30] <cjdg_> so what i miss, what has to be done?
[20:31] <cjdg_> also appointed for edubuntu
[20:32] <Eickmeyer> cjdg_: Not much, we're beyond feature freeze, so it's just looking for bugs at this point.
[20:32] <cjdg_> ok
[20:34] <Eickmeyer> cjdg_: UI Freeze is tomorrow. Wallpapers for Ubuntu Studio are done and uploaded, Edubuntu isn't getting new wallpapers until after 24.04, so there's not much that direction that needs to be done. Beta is coming up in a couple of weeks.
[20:34] <cjdg_> can i ask you something?
[20:34] <Eickmeyer> Sure!
[20:35] <cjdg_> i have a disabled son
[20:35] <cjdg_> and i was thinking about edubuntu
[20:35] <cjdg_> to make it more easy for them
[20:36] <cjdg_> also i was thinking how to port it to be used with computers like the pi
[20:36] <cjdg_> gnome had some tools
[20:36] <cjdg_> but they got lost in time
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> Yes, we've discussed this before. In the gnome settings, there should be accessibility options as most of those tools got merged-in.
[20:37] <cjdg_> yes
[20:37] <cjdg_> also do you remember nanny?
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> As for the pi, I've been talking with the release team about pi images, but I'm still waiting for movement there.
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> Pi images are up to Canonical ultimately.
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> Nanny.... that must've been from back in Gnome 2.0
[20:38] <cjdg_> about the pis i have almost all since the first one, plus similar ones
[20:39] <cjdg_> and yes nanny was from gnome 2, worked great for keeping thight control for students
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> It doesn't look like there's been any development there since 2014.
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> I'll keep investigating that aspect, cjdg_ , but it's part of why I made Edubuntu Menu Administrator. For web parental controls, I, for one, have installed Microsoft Edge and have my son's profile set for child, and it does a pretty decent job of monitoring, but he's a fairly trustworthy student.
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> Yes, I said Micrsosoft Edge. I'm fairly pragmatic.
[20:42] <cjdg_> jajajajaja
[20:42] <cjdg_> it works
[20:42] <cjdg_> and what works should be used
[20:46] <cjdg_> but being honest is kinda sad a lot was lost
[20:47] <cjdg_> so i hope my znc works fine, and count on me
[20:48] <Eickmeyer> cjdg_: Sounds good. :)
[20:53] <cjdg_> have to leave, need to pick up the kid from physiotherapy
[20:54] <cjdg_> see ya later!
[21:00] <Eickmeyer> o/


[09:02] <l273280> hello
[10:25] <weedmic> Lake[m]: cheers :)
[10:25] <weedmic> feel free to just describe the problem and we'll do our best :)
[12:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:59] <V1A> hi evryone
[13:59] <V1A> dhort question, where do i see exactly what  distro im on
[14:00] <V1A> i recall i saw some small field a couple times before, but dont recall how i got there
[14:00] <V1A> i must be on xubuntu or kubuntu
[14:01] <V1A> CPU-X onl says "Ubuntu 22.10" thats wildly vague no? (im still a linux newb)
[14:01] <diogenes_Vx15> V1A, run in terminal: inxi -F
[14:01] <diogenes_Vx15> it gives you full info.
[14:03] <diogenes_Vx15> V1A, if you want a coold way, then run in terminal: neofetch
[14:08] <Dragnslcr> V1A- Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Kubuntu are all the same distro
[14:08] <Dragnslcr> The only difference is what packages are installed by default
[14:13] <oerheks> "Ubuntu 22.10" goes EOL soon.
[14:20] <V1A> Dragnslcr: yea as far i my understanding the"BASE" is exactly the same more or less. but as you said, the packages (what comes with it) is all individual to the distro
[14:20] <V1A> BUT (this is just a personal suspicion of mine)
[14:20] <V1A> while the basic distro is the same - is it possible that fundamental system settings are altered/set to a different state ?
[14:21] <V1A> cause i dont really see where else my networking issues stem from
[14:21] <oerheks> !info kde-plasma-desktop
[14:21] <oerheks> there is a plain plasma desktop (selection)
[14:22] <V1A> oerheks: u talk to me?
[14:22] <V1A> yea i ctcp myself its 22.1
[14:22] <V1A> but thats not causing the issues
[14:22] <oerheks> oh, 22.10 is already dead <> July 20, 2023
[14:22] <oerheks> upgrade please
[14:23] <V1A> well i had a different, specific question
[14:23] <V1A> maybr Dragnslcr can answer when he has a second
[14:23]  * V1A is not a fan of upgrades, unless code gets smaller and features improve
[14:23] <V1A> whic .. mostly isnt the case.
[14:24] <oerheks> if you like it or not, you will no longer get updates/security fixes .. so..
[14:45] <V1A> future setup will go through m own HW firewall
[14:45] <V1A> i like windows 7
[14:46] <V1A> my win7 is so tight. would really see some ppl try get in
[14:46] <V1A> i mean, no doubt a very experienced hacker/exploited will be able
[14:46] <V1A> but without physical acccess ...  ?
[14:58]  * oerheks wonders who cares about win7 trolls
 hello how csn i resize the panel in kubuntu 23.04
 im talking about resizing the wifi panel, or like the clipboard panel
[20:35] <kubuntu> nice


[16:07] <sayco> hii
[16:15] <mohamed_yosry> sayco, hi
[16:16] <sayco> i'm new here and i want some help plz
[16:17] <mohamed_yosry> feel free to ask
[16:17] <sayco> my real name is Mohamed Sayed
[16:18] <sayco> i'm in the Final year communication enginering
[16:18] <sayco> i just joined to the team yesterday
[16:19] <sayco> i love ubuntu and i use it for 3 years
[16:19] <mohamed_yosry> we're gonna meet today
[16:20] <mohamed_yosry> ubuntu hour @ aswan cafe
[16:20] <mohamed_yosry> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=193219340716111
[16:20] <mohamed_yosry> where u r from ?
[16:20] <sayco> i know but unfortunately I'm from ismailia so it soting hard to arrive nw
[16:21] <sayco> somting*
[16:23] <sayco> i wanna help but i don't know how :(
[16:23] <mohamed_yosry> 5aleek mtab3 , w n7awl ngm3 group fe ismalia
[16:24] <sayco> yareet
[16:24] <sayco> ana a3raf nas keter fe ismailia used ubuntu
[16:24] <sayco> bs mafesh team fe ismailia
[16:25] <sayco> ana fe el shorouk academy bs 5alas a5er sana
[16:25] <mohamed_yosry> kol mara btbd2a mn individuals
[16:25] <mohamed_yosry> wana fe shorouk bardo :)
[16:25] <ahmed_> :D
[16:26] <mohamed_yosry> Menopia, ahmed_ also in shrouk
[16:26] <ahmed_> sayco, w fe install feast 2orib
[16:26] <ahmed_> w 3ayzn naf fe hanasa ma3ana sayco
[16:27] <sayco> tb da tamam awy
[16:27] <sayco> mashy
[16:27] <sayco> tb howa el install feast emta ta2reban
[16:27] <sayco> ???
[16:28] <ahmed_> 27tmal el 5amis ba3d el gy
[16:28] <ahmed_> 27na isa el naharda hantf2 3ala el tafasil w hanzbt ma3a el gam3a w 2wl mayb2y el kalam 2ked han2olk
[16:29] <ahmed_> join el group 3ala el facebook w hat3rf men 3alah
[16:29] <sayco> tamam bs matensash en da hayeb2a a5er youm fel midtermat
[16:29] <sayco> 3amalt embare7 :)
[16:30] <mohamed_yosry> our midterms @ 30/4
[16:30] <ahmed_> t2dr 5ls 2mt7ank w tigy
[16:30] <sayco> isa
[16:30] <mohamed_yosry> installfest seems to be some fun after exams ;)
[16:31] <ahmed_> w tab3n 2y 7ad t3rfw men bara el gam3a 7aty 2olw ygy
[16:31] <sayco> tab3an :)
[16:31] <sayco> aked w men gowa el gam3a kaman isa
[16:31] <ahmed_> BTW 27na 7asabat
[16:32] <sayco> wana fe handasa communication
[16:32] <sayco> sana kam a7med
[16:32] <sayco> ?
[16:33] <ahmed_> 3rd
[16:34] <sayco> w Mohamed ?
[16:34] <mohamed_yosry> 3rd too
[16:34] <sayco> tamam :)
[16:35] <sayco> howa matlob meny a3mel eh tany ba3d ma3aalt join l egy loco team
[16:35] <sayco> 3ashan ana toht showaya :(
[16:36] <ahmed_> 2stny bs l7d man3ln 3an el event ...
[16:36] <mohamed_yosry> join mailing list
[16:36] <ahmed_> belzabt
[16:36] <sayco> done 2day el sob7
[16:36] <sayco> fe 7aga tanya
[16:36] <sayco> ?
[16:36] <mohamed_yosry> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-eg
[16:38] <ahmed_> 2b2y 2kd 3alana bs 3alashn nt2bl w shof han3ml 2h
[16:38] <sayco> mashy
[16:39] <ahmed_> 2ol yarab bs 7ad ygy :)
[16:39] <sayco> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:40] <sayco> l2 isa fe nas keter hategy
[16:40] <sayco> hageb ma3aya nas men handasa isa
[16:40] <ahmed_> 2sl el nas fi 7asabt be 3afia showay :D
[16:40] <sayco> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:41] <sayco> isa 5er
[16:41] <sayco> :)
[16:44] <sayco> thx for ur help ,and pleased to meet u all
[16:44] <mohamed_yosry> u r welcome
[16:44] <sayco> w tafa2al isa 5er w fe nas keter hategy
[16:44] <sayco> :)
[16:44] <sayco> bye nw
[16:44] <ahmed_> :)
[16:44] <ahmed_> bye
[16:49] <thelinuxer> Menopia: mohamed_yosry hey guys ...
[16:54] <mohamed_yosry> thelinuxer, hi
[16:55] <mohamed_yosry> we r gonna come a bit late
[16:55] <thelinuxer> just called islam
[16:55] <thelinuxer> he told me that
[16:55] <Menopia> thelinuxer, i am sorry for that :)
[16:56] <thelinuxer> np
[17:31]  * Menopia Heading to Aswan cafe
[18:16] <seiflotfy> hey guys
[18:24] <mgamal> kim0, where are you?
[18:24] <kim0> mgamal: sigh .. still stuck at work
[18:25] <mgamal> *sigh&
[18:25] <mgamal> the jam is missing you
[18:25] <mgamal> we haven't started anythign serious yet
[18:25] <kim0> I miss ya guys too :)
[18:26] <mgamal> are you going to come over or are you going to pass?
[18:28] <kim0> lemme see
[18:31] <kim0> mgamal: okie dokie .. coming in ~ 30mins
[18:31] <mgamal> k00l
[18:31] <kim0> mgamal: how many already there
[18:31] <mgamal> about 10-15
[18:31] <mgamal> mostly n00bs
[18:31] <kim0> k00l :)
[18:32] <kim0> about the 10-15 part hehe
[18:32]  * kim0 jumps around .. shaves, gets dressed, ... duh real life
[18:39] <mgamal> lol @ kim0
[19:15] <thelinuxer> loooool @ kim0


[04:04] <Bredin> Hey all how's it going
[20:44] <EDinNY> I just upgraded.  menu and colors are messed up. What files can I delete in my directory so that on the next start, the menu will be recreated?
[20:45] <EDinNY> ...or what files can I copy over from a new user's directory?


[09:12] <cetex> apw: thanks for the answer a few days ago. I figured the specific binary i needed (to manipulate pstate aggressiveness) x86_energy_perf_policy isn't going to change too much, so i just built it manually and put it in /usr/local/bin.
[09:47] <baojg> when compile kernel ,what is the linux-headers-generic file? how do i create it?
[09:48] <apw> cetex, np
[09:48] <apw> baojg, where are you seing linux-headers-generic.  that is normally the meta package name
[09:49] <baojg> look
[09:49] <baojg> ii  linux-headers-3.13.0-32                  3.13.0-32.57                        all          Header files related to Linux kernel version 3.13.0
[09:49] <baojg> ii  linux-headers-3.13.0-32-generic          3.13.0-32.57                        amd64        Linux kernel headers for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[09:49] <baojg> ii  linux-headers-3.18.20-031820             3.18.20-031820.201508081633         all          Header files related to Linux kernel version 3.18.20
[09:49] <baojg> ii  linux-headers-3.18.20-031820-generic     3.18.20-031820.201508081633         amd64        Linux kernel headers for version 3.18.20 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[09:49] <baojg> ii  linux-headers-generic                    <IP_ADDRESS>.38                        amd64        Generic Linux kernel headers
[09:49] <baojg> root@41D-CNC-SD:~/linux-stable#
[09:50] <baojg> the 3.13.0-32 is the header file  14.04 install.
[09:51] <baojg> and the 3.18.20-031820 is the file i create when compile aginst kernel 3.18.20
[09:52] <apw> baojg, right so that is a package, and generated from the linux-meta source pacakge
[09:54] <baojg> what command i should use to create the package.?
[09:56] <baojg> anothe quesion :i use fakeroot debian/rules binary-indep to create linux-tools-commomn,but it hang when install the usbip bin,can you gave some suggesion?
[09:57] <apw> baojg, you would need to get the source for linux-meta and set its version to the abi you are using and then build that package
[09:57] <apw> but installing hte reuslt will opt you out of all later updates from ubuntu
[09:58] <apw> baojg, not sure i've seen any such hang in any builds i have done, a simple file install doesn't sound like something which should hang, it may be fakeroot related
[09:58] <apw> but as i say that doesn't happen to me in my experience
[10:00] <baojg> first run,i met that : not found usbip.h file,i correct it.but then the hang occurs.
[10:01] <apw> i might have more of an idea from the output produced before the hang, perhaps pastebin the output
[10:01] <baojg> i compile 3.18.20 stable kernle to create ubuntu package on 14.04 ubuntu server.
[10:02] <baojg> wait for a while ,please
[10:04] <baojg> cd /root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip && make install CFLAGS="-g -O2 -static" CROSS_COMPILE=
[10:04] <baojg> make[1]: Entering directory `/root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip'
[10:04] <baojg> Making install in libsrc
[10:04] <baojg> make[2]: Entering directory `/root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/libsrc'
[10:04] <baojg> make[3]: Entering directory `/root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/libsrc'
[10:04] <baojg>  /bin/mkdir -p '/root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/bin/lib'
[10:04] <baojg>  /bin/sh ../libtool   --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c   libusbip.la '/root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/bin/lib'
[10:04] <baojg> libtool: install: /usr/bin/install -c .libs/libusbip.lai /root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/bin/lib/libusbip.la
[10:04] <baojg> libtool: install: /usr/bin/install -c .libs/libusbip.a /root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/bin/lib/libusbip.a
[10:04] <baojg> libtool: install: chmod 644 /root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/bin/lib/libusbip.a
[10:04] <baojg> libtool: install: ranlib /root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/bin/lib/libusbip.a
[10:04] <baojg> libtool: finish: PATH=".:/usr/local/squid/sbin:/usr/local/squid/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/sbin" ldconfig -n /root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/bin/lib
[10:04] <baojg> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
[10:04] <baojg> Libraries have been installed in:
[10:04] <baojg>    /root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/bin/lib
[10:04] <baojg> If you ever happen to want to link against installed libraries
[10:04] <baojg> in a given directory, LIBDIR, you must either use libtool, and
[10:04] <baojg> specify the full pathname of the library, or use the `-LLIBDIR'
[10:04] <baojg> flag during linking and do at least one of the following:
[10:04] <baojg>    - add LIBDIR to the `LD_LIBRARY_PATH' environment variable
[10:04] <baojg>      during execution
[10:04] <baojg>    - add LIBDIR to the `LD_RUN_PATH' environment variable
[10:04] <baojg>      during linking
[10:04] <baojg>    - use the `-Wl,-rpath -Wl,LIBDIR' linker flag
[10:04] <baojg>    - have your system administrator add LIBDIR to `/etc/ld.so.conf'
[10:04] <baojg> See any operating system documentation about shared libraries for
[10:04] <baojg> more information, such as the ld(1) and ld.so(8) manual pages.
[10:04] <baojg> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
[10:04] <baojg> make[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'.
[10:04] <baojg> make[3]: Leaving directory `/root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/libsrc'
[10:05] <baojg> make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/libsrc'
[10:05] <baojg> Making install in src
[10:05] <baojg> make[2]: Entering directory `/root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/src'
[10:05] <baojg> make[3]: Entering directory `/root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/src'
[10:05] <baojg>  /bin/mkdir -p '/root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/bin/sbin'
[10:05] <baojg>   /bin/sh ../libtool   --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c usbip usbipd '/root/linux-stable/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/usb/usbip/bin/sbin'
[10:05] <baojg> ....
[10:05] <baojg> ...
[10:05] <baojg> look, it hang in the libtool install.
[10:05] <apw> ugg flood, thats why i asked you to pastebin it not paste it
[10:06] <baojg> oh sorry,i dont know the pastebin.
[10:06] <apw> so while it is hung what is actually running (ps) and what are they doing, perhaps attach strace to the stuck bits
[10:06] <baojg> need some time to learn it
[10:07] <apw> there is a command pastebinit which shoves the data into pastebin and gives you a link to paste
[10:07] <baojg> pastebinit
[10:09] <apw> a command line command
[10:09] <baojg> is it availble on mac?
[10:09] <apw> that i have no idea
[10:09] <apw> you can run it on your ubuntu server though
[10:16] <baojg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12106805/
[10:16] <baojg> APW, on the make log and ps.
[10:16] <baojg> only
[10:26] <apw> baojg, are you reallly running the actual build as root?  that sounds rather dangerous to me
[10:26] <baojg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12106856/
[10:27] <baojg> yes .root,but use fakeroot
[10:27] <apw> ok
[10:28] <apw> well that ps listing is too limited to see what is pending, perhaps try a pstree and look for the branch which has the build in it
[10:29] <baojg> creen(893)───bash(894)───rules(36104)───bash(8456)───make(8457)───sh(8458)───sh(8482)───make(8483)───make(8484)───sh(8485)───sh(8493)───sh(8494)
[10:30] <baojg> the process 9494 is the last one
[10:30] <baojg> ps show /bin/sh -c list='usbip usbipd';.......
[10:30] <apw> baojg, and not other branches down from make there
[10:31] <apw> then i'd stick an strace on that last shell and see what it thinks it is doing
[10:31] <baojg> not other branches down from make there ... what do you mean?
[10:36] <apw> then, it must be that shell, so attach strace to it
[10:37] <apw> and find out what the heck it is doing
[10:39] <baojg> apw,when are you in the ubuntu-kernel room usually?
[10:41] <apw> baojg, my nick is in here pretty much always, i vary depending on day and physical location, though currently mostly europe tmie
[10:44] <baojg> strace the stuck process,but it only says stopped by SIGSTOP.
[10:44] <baojg> no sense ,maybe
[10:47] <baojg> i have something  other to  do,so have to leave .sorry apw. meet another time
[10:49] <apw> baojg (N,BFTL), that implies it was trying to talk to the terminal while in the background or similar
[15:19] <tseliot> apw: hi, am I right to assume that ABI -26 in vivid is the same as -26 in -lts-vivid in trusty?
[15:20] <apw> tseliot, yes the -lts-backports are the very same trees just compiled locally
[15:21] <tseliot> apw: great, this means I can re-use my patch for ABI 26 from trusty :)


[21:53] <ochosi> astraljava: ping
[23:28] <astraljava> ochosi: pong
[23:31] <knome> wot, you still awake?
[23:31] <knome> :|
[23:33] <astraljava> Yeah...
[23:33] <ochosi> hey :)
[23:33] <knome> yeah.
[23:33] <knome> i'm just ircing while sleeping, btw
[23:34] <knome> nah, actually, i'm just about to go to bed
[23:34] <ochosi> astraljava: thought i'd be a pain in the a** and ask you about the display-dialog again ;D
[23:34] <ochosi> knome: ah right
[23:34] <knome> ochosi, i suppose i could make him eat some really hot food for you
[23:34] <ochosi> knome: btw, those other tweaks you wanted to do for greybird, are they still planned?
[23:34] <knome> ochosi, that way, the pain in the ass would kind of actualize
[23:34] <ochosi> lol
[23:35] <ochosi> sounds like a plan
[23:35] <knome> probably, but not before thu, for sure
[23:35] <knome> but they are not too critical
[23:35] <knome> the windowlist looks fine now, and i'm happy
[23:35] <ochosi> :)
[23:36] <knome> anyway, i'm to bed now
[23:36] <knome> have fun and good night!
[23:36] <ochosi> ok, nighty!
[23:37] <astraljava> ochosi: Well I did make some progress on it, but then it ground to a halt when I needed to upgrade to quantal on the machine that has dual monitors.
[23:37] <astraljava> The upgrade didn't go too smoothly, and it's currently broken.
[23:38] <ochosi> oh i see
[23:38] <ochosi> well i guess i can also test it on precise
[23:38] <ochosi> for now that should be fine
[23:38] <astraljava> It's still missing some functionality, because I spent the last few days fighting with the system.
[23:38] <ochosi> i mean there haven't been real changes (i know of) in the display dialog between 4.8 and 4.10 and X is also not too different
[23:39] <ochosi> right
[23:39] <ochosi> where are you at now?
[23:41] <astraljava> It's got the GUI changes done, and the signal handling. Just needs the population of the combobox, and the calculations of the positions. It was implemented in a way that each randr->noutput has x and y coordinates.
[23:42] <ochosi> that sounds manageable
[23:42] <astraljava> It doesn't seem to have a simple option of telling which one is right and which is left, for instance. So all the different variations need to be calculated separately.
[23:42] <ochosi> meh, that sucks a bit
[23:42] <astraljava> It's not that tricky, of course.
[23:42] <ochosi> yeah
[23:42] <ochosi> only 2dimensional :)
[23:42] <astraljava> But they're not there, yet.
[23:43] <astraljava> Yeah, just gotta write up the logic in there.
[23:43] <ochosi> ok sounds good
[23:43] <ochosi> btw, it might be good to push what you have to a branch in launchpad
[23:43] <astraljava> But I probably won't make it till the meeting this week.
[23:43] <ochosi> just to be sure
[23:43] <astraljava> Yeah, it's just on that machine that doesn't boot atm. :D
[23:44]  * ochosi has seen too much code getting lost because of pc's breaking
[23:44] <astraljava> It has occasionally happened, yes.
[23:45] <ochosi> also, that way more people could test
[23:45] <astraljava> Well so far there's nothing to test.
[23:45] <astraljava> It won't do anything.
[23:45] <astraljava> All you could test is the layout. :)
[23:45] <astraljava> It's not that fascinating.
[23:46] <ochosi> heh