[08:55] <SuneK_> kwmonroe: So I looked into the edge version. I wonder what the reason for going from 2 to one elastic search units is (https://github.com/juju-solutions/bundle-canonical-kubernetes/commit/5a2f725e6da4cba1ff258fafc70be16d241cc24a#diff-efca159023ec4c86cc8b346b8e8094a2)
[15:49] <kwmonroe> SuneK: just to be more conservative about resource requirements.  a single ES node is the minimum you'll need to get elastic functionality, and then we leave it up to users to add-unit to meet their specific needs.
[19:02] <bobeo> asdf


[09:44] <knome> iainfarrell, hey. poking you again :P
[10:00] <zniavre> good morning
[10:00] <zniavre> 	GtkImage::x-ayatana-indicator-dynamic = 1 what is this option for please?
[10:01] <iainfarrell> hey knome I've just been in the room and seen it's being worked on! :)
[10:01] <iainfarrell> I'll send it over as soon as it's readt
[10:01] <iainfarrell> ready even
[10:01] <iainfarrell> what address is best for you?
[10:03] <darkmatter> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/commodore-computers-make-a-return-this-year-20100319/
[10:04] <zniavre> éééé it almost looks as my first comp. "Vic20"
[10:05] <darkmatter> aye. good old commodore style but more streamlined
[10:05] <knome> iainfarrell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:46] <darkmatter> bleh. must find a way to drop the colored crap on comboboxes in murrine without affecting focus color :/
[11:03]  * vish starts banging for a "t" and "b" atleast ;p
[11:32] <knome> iainfarrell, you there?
[11:33] <iainfarrell> hello knome
[11:35] <knome> iainfarrell, thanks for the mail. could we have the same logo with the ubuntu "picture mark" as if we would use it as is?
[11:36] <knome> iainfarrell, (then i would be able to replace it with our logo and see how it looks like)
[11:40] <knome> iainfarrell, there has been some serious discussion about using comic sans as the typeface with a handdrawn mouse to appeal more childish people. would that be ok as well?
[11:44] <iainfarrell> hi knome I don't really understand what you mean by "could we have the same logo with the ubuntu "picture mark" as if we would use it as is?"
[11:44] <iainfarrell> can you explain again?
[11:45] <knome> iainfarrell, can we have the ubuntu logo svg with x?
[11:45] <knome> iainfarrell, with the COF
[11:45] <knome> iainfarrell, in the top right :)
[11:45] <knome> iainfarrell, and with the x as well :)
[11:45] <iainfarrell> I can send you copy of our Ubuntu logo but you can't use the circle of friends, in the same way that kubuntu is using their own circular logo
[11:46] <iainfarrell> but I can send it over for reference
[11:46] <iainfarrell> so you get your mouse in the right place
[11:46] <knome> yes, we won't use the COF
[11:46] <knome> but just so we get the logo aligned the same way
[11:48] <iainfarrell> yeah
[11:48] <iainfarrell> I've sent a PDF
[11:48] <iainfarrell> that's a start
[11:48] <iainfarrell> I can sent another file if need be
[11:48] <iainfarrell> but that's our position guide
[11:48] <iainfarrell> which should be useful
[11:48] <knome> okay, that's fine
[11:48] <knome> cheers
[11:49] <knome> what 'bout the comic sans alternative?
[12:02] <thorwil> knome: today, that sounds like a really great idea
[12:05] <thorwil> regarding appealing to children, you could learn something from http://www.squeak.org/Screenshots/ , perhaps
[12:15] <knome> thorwil, ;)
[13:11] <zniavre> is it possible to get the first shot of ubuntu-moni icons ? ( ifind the first message icon much nicer than actual one )
[13:11] <zniavre> moni>mono*
[13:13] <kwwii> zniavre: not sure what you mean
[13:13] <kwwii> zniavre: they are in lucid and launchpad
[13:13] <kwwii> zniavre: but any submissions need to be approved
[13:14] <zniavre> i do not want to change anything !  :o)
[13:15] <zniavre> if they changed this icon they must be right
[13:15] <zniavre> but i still prefer the one of the first days of message-icon
[13:16] <kwwii> ahhh, so you want the original version?
[13:17] <kwwii> you can look through the history of commits, you might find it there
[13:17] <kwwii> not sure when they were changed becuase we have changed them so often
[13:19] <zniavre> 0.0.6 gives the "original" version thank you
[13:20] <zniavre> the first one did not look good for you ?
[13:21] <zniavre> i can see for 0.0.7 you changed the message icons
[13:35] <kwwii> zniavre: well, the whole team evaluates them
[13:55] <vish> zniavre>  GtkImage::x-ayatana-indicator-dynamic = 1  what does this do btw?
[13:59] <vish> oh wrong nick ping , zniavre_ ^
[14:03] <vish> ah , nvm i think i figured it out..
[14:10] <kwwii> vish: that turns on the wide icon
[14:11] <vish> kwwii: yeah , understood it after you mentioned it :) , you should consider adding comments in the gtkrc ;-)
[14:17] <kwwii> vish: yeah, probably a good idea
[14:51] <zniavre_> i don't really understand what is wide icons?
[14:52] <zniavre_> small arrow into messaging-indicator is one of this wide icon?
[15:52] <vish> zniavre_: the battery icons are 32x22
[16:07] <zniavre_> ha ok understand what [wiiiiide] is tank you
[16:07] <zniavre_> thank*
[16:12] <vish> np..
[17:40] <vish> kwwii: have you seen this > Bug #549268  .. is this something you want to do by default?
[19:25] <knome> thorwil, you around?
[19:25] <thorwil> knome: perhaps
[19:25] <knome> hehe
[21:06] <dashua> vish, Awesome folders :)
[21:08] <vish> dashua: well its the color UX wanted ;)  but it might really piss off a lot of folks making changes so late ;p
[21:08] <dashua> I love it
[21:08] <dashua> Much closer to Breathe
[21:08] <vish> hehe ;p
[21:08] <dashua> A little darker
[21:09] <vish> dashua: has the update landed? or are you pulling from bzr?
[21:09] <dashua> This is the sexxiest desktop I've had in a while =/
[21:09] <dashua> bzr
[21:09] <vish> ah , righto..
[21:10] <vish> the old yellow was a bit of a misfit with the new theme
[21:11] <troy_s> vish: Screenshot?
[21:11] <troy_s> vish: Or PNG?
[21:12] <troy_s> As of my last update, they still look like tango clunky ass square boxes.
[21:12] <vish> well still tango.. just a change of the color , seems more redder.. i have to still use it though :D
[21:13] <troy_s> vish: Link?
[21:13] <troy_s> vish: Side note, have you seen the default Nexus One's design for various elements?
[21:13] <troy_s> vish: Gallery is absolutely lovely. Exactly what we should have done say, oh... three years ago.
[21:13] <dashua> troy_s, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/50079/screenshot_hUL9L5.png
[21:14] <troy_s> Oh nice... a return to gloss.
[21:14] <troy_s> uh.
[21:14]  * troy_s headsmack.
[21:14] <troy_s> Just bloody daft.
[21:15] <troy_s> Anywho... zomgawesome ahead. How do you say it... "Lucid is gunna rock with bling bling rock."
[21:15] <vish> troy_s: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/annotate/head%3A/Humanity/places/64/folder.svg
[21:15] <troy_s> vish: Got to love those direct links out of bzr.
[21:16] <vish> troy_s: not glossier , but just the icons got bloodier .. ;)
[21:16] <troy_s> Whoever has the 1999 gloss obsession should take themselves out back and give themselves a good old fashioned Old Yeller'ing.
[21:17] <vish> the more i look at tango icons the more i think we need to stop using the guidelines ;p
[21:17] <troy_s> vish: And that gloss glare thing across them. Exceptionally lame to the nth degree.
[21:17] <troy_s> vish: Tango always has stunk.
[21:17] <troy_s> vish: Period.
[21:18] <troy_s> vish: Crayola outline outline heavy bold bold outline so that it works for 'everyone' on 'every desktop' 'always'.
[21:18] <troy_s> vish: Rancid beef.
[21:18] <vish> troy_s: heh , i was just typing this > the only advantage i can see it that i makes the icons usable in both light/dark backgrounds
[21:18] <troy_s> vish: And yes, it is a curious palette choice. Or at least seems to me given that context.
[21:19] <troy_s> vish: Usable
[21:19] <troy_s> vish: Usability worries are what happens when there is epic design and art failure.
[21:19] <troy_s> Mark Boulton said it best.
[21:20] <troy_s> vish: http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/aesthetic-usability-effect
[21:20] <troy_s> vish: Last paragraph.
[21:20] <troy_s> vish: Besides, like it or not, according to the study, aesthetics trump usability by a wide fat margin.
[21:20] <vish> ah , nice words of wisdom :)
[21:21] <troy_s> vish: He clarifies later in comments.
[21:21] <troy_s> vish: But the two are really of the same creature.
[21:22] <darkmatter> ya must not have seen tango in a while, it's no more ugly than any other *nix icons. which reminds me. I need to dump gnome for kde now that gnome officially sucks more than supergloss
[21:22] <thorwil> vish: so there's talk about warning colors on ayatana and the folders become redder??
[21:23] <vish> thorwil: "wasnt my choice" :)
[21:23] <troy_s> vish: Well keep up the fight good vish. Hopefully you can make it to the 12th round.
[21:24] <SandGorgon> hey guys.. submitted a brainstorm to review font hinting patents - http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24276/. They might be expiring (around the world) in May,2010. What do you think ?
[21:24] <vish> troy_s:  if you watch ayatana mail , the word accessibility is thrown in too often .. i kinda got sick of hearing it to the point that we probably need a different OS to it to be accessible  :/
[21:24] <thorwil> it's depressing how meaningless the folder icons are, not matter what the style, anyway
[21:24] <troy_s> SandGorgon: I believe there are several patents at issue there.
[21:24] <troy_s> SandGorgon: Last time I looked into it, it was specifically regarding how the virtual machine hinting engine implements the byte code.
[21:25] <SandGorgon> troy_s, true.. and they have all been reviewed by several people... latest was by ghostscript in their bug http://bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690621
[21:25] <troy_s> SandGorgon: And uh... No one really cares about brainstorm. It's a pressure valve methinks.
[21:26] <SandGorgon> troy_s, ack on that as well .. but this is something that goes beyond code. There needs to be an actual lawyer review
[21:26] <troy_s> SandGorgon: What really needs to happen is for someone to actually get sued in Free Software so that the EFF gets behind them and slaps Bilski in the face of the prosecution.
[21:26] <troy_s> SandGorgon: It just needs to get fixed, and Bilski is the solution.
[21:26] <thorwil> troy_s: i think it's a mistake to see usability and aesthetics as separate matters
[21:27] <troy_s> SandGorgon: Once Bilski climbs up another level it's done.
[21:27] <troy_s> thorwil: As I said, one and the same creature. But in the end, Usability is what comes up when there is epic art and design failure.
[21:27] <troy_s> thorwil: It's all tripe.
[21:27] <darkmatter> vish: accessibility.. where? (me lols uncontrollably) accessibility is even more of a myth in foss than usability is :D
[21:27] <troy_s> thorwil: But in the end, pure aesthetics seem to have quite an edge over 'pure usability' (visualize that massive remote control with the huge buttons for numbers)
[21:28] <troy_s> thorwil: So maybe there is a slight division there?
[21:28] <troy_s> thorwil: At least I'd like to think that we could give two samples of remote controls each with identical numbers of buttons and looks but different scales.
[21:29] <troy_s> thorwil: And arguably, the more diminutive one (likely because of contextual similarity) would be given the aesthetic edge? PURE speculation, but I don't think I'd be far off the mark.
[21:29] <thorwil> troy_s: there's just people using difficult terms without even getting close to understanding them. design, engineering, usability, asthetics all flow into each other
[21:29] <troy_s> thorwil: Absolutely.
[21:29] <vish> darkmatter: nah , for every idea someone mentions.. there is another saying "what about the blind/deaf/dumb/colorblind".. well , they need a different setup not necessary that the default needs to be the right way for them too
[21:30] <troy_s> vish: And in fact you hit on a key point I believe.
[21:30]  * vish might be a bigot ;p
[21:30] <thorwil> troy_s: the difference you are looking for comes back to goals and audience ;)
[21:30] <troy_s> vish: Design for everyone is exactly design for no one.
[21:30] <troy_s> vish: It serves _everyone_ absolutely poorly.
[21:30] <vish> +1
[21:31] <troy_s> vish: I'd bet that if we put our collective free software brains together we could design a near utopian computing experience for a westernized individual with severe visual impairment.
[21:31] <troy_s> vish: Or one for impaired motor ability or erratic motor ability. From the absolute start (how to turn on the computer?) right down to the final logout.
[21:31] <troy_s> vish: But of course, it's easier to just say 'Everyone' and give a really half assed half baked attempt at that.
[21:32] <troy_s> vish: Hell... I dare say that there are likely aesthetic decisions you could make for a given demographic with visual impairment.
[21:32] <troy_s> vish: It's a fascinating topic really.
[21:34] <darkmatter> vish: the point is I've yet to see a single os (or any project in general) properly implement _basic_ accessibility on any meaningful level. I've bitched about it for 10 years, it's gotten worse not better
[21:38] <vish> darkmatter: seriously though, accessibility affects what percentage of users?
[21:40] <vish> darkmatter: it *is* needed , but we need to do a version which is good enough for them specifically , not try to get it right in the default
[21:41] <darkmatter> vish: enough. one must remember that accessibility goes beyond the commonly considered colorblind/blind/def/impaired motor function.
[21:41] <vish> "not try" , basically , since we are failing to get it right ;)
[21:41] <darkmatter> vish: yes and no
[21:44] <troy_s> vish: Youtube the Gallery in the Nexus. It's impressive as it is a very clever way to get away from a folder. I think you might dig it.
[21:45] <troy_s> vish: Sadly, I was going to animate an Ubuntu mock with something very similar - case in point those 'good ideas' are a dime a dozen :)
[21:45] <darkmatter> the thing is there is a lot of co-dependence that we don't consider by default. by not getting it 'right' we fail. to build a version that's 'good enough' for a particular group would otherwise require rewriting a lot of code, not just changing defaults.
[21:45] <darkmatter> troy_s: I've been arguing against folders for... how long? :P
[21:46]  * vish checks the tube
[21:46] <troy_s> darkmatter: Problem is... I think _everyone_ in free software agrees that the paradigm is stinky.
[21:46] <troy_s> Aside from maybe the folks peddling outline outline outline outline land.
[21:47] <darkmatter> lol
[21:47] <troy_s> darkmatter: The issue is creating a compelling vision without them.
[21:47] <troy_s> darkmatter: And _that_ is what Gallery does.
[21:47] <troy_s> darkmatter: Hell... I couldn't count the number of times that people have discussed the idea... KDE _almost_ does it already.
[21:47] <troy_s> darkmatter: But again, the 'good idea' is somewhat empty in value (hello patents) while the execution seems to be everything.
[21:51] <troy_s> vish: Did you see it?
[21:51] <darkmatter> troy_s: I think I mentioned (many many many many many many moons ago) on how we need to drop so-called file management in general. \
[21:52] <troy_s> darkmatter: And again, many many folks have arrived there.
[21:52] <troy_s> darkmatter: It's not exactly a 'hey wow genius'. It's about execution. And _that_ is where the compelling and emotional aspect is missing. It is _how_.
[21:52] <darkmatter> but as a general rule it takes a more activity/gallery/library approach, part generic part task specific
[21:53] <troy_s> The original Android mock with the photos on a table with thin depth of field is something that should have been embraced ages ago. We could still make an end run with it.
[21:53] <troy_s> Sadly I can't find it.
[21:54] <darkmatter> troy_s: I know. the point is even when _sane_ execution is shown/demonstrated, the people responsible for implementing it throw out 'good execution' in exchange for 'we're lazy asses, lets dump the idea and add TABS' :P
[21:54] <troy_s> It was distinct and very much... an artistic representation of photography inside of the shell.
[21:56] <vish> troy_s: works pretty well for fotos , probably even vids.. not sure how it would be for documents , but is really interesting way it has been done , as you mention not a new idea , but well implemented
[21:57] <troy_s> vish: I think it works terrific for all sorts of data - especially if we have representational models - pdf thumbs, ODF thumbs, images, movies, etc...
[21:57] <troy_s> vish: Then roll that into a Gloobus preview of some creative sort (what that is would remain to be seen but clearly it should be part of the shell)
[21:58] <troy_s> vish: And I believe that in _that_ we have the beginning of a true desktop innovation that is ... well ... deeply moored in that 'well duh' school of discovery.
[21:58] <vish> troy_s: if it was for documents it would probably become just a cluster of icons or gibberish previews , not sure if it text documents can convey the image properly , unless the previews are really big or we use gloobus ;)
[21:59] <troy_s> vish: So you are saying a really craptastic Tango icon is better than a higher density thumbnail that scales as you hover over?
[21:59] <troy_s> vish: You actually _asked_ a design question there. Pretty sure we could solve it.
[21:59] <troy_s> vish: It isn't 'not sure if...' but rather 'how do we?'
[21:59] <vish> troy_s: nope , saying it needs to be done well :)
[22:00] <troy_s> vish: Agree. The kernel of your question though is a cornerstone of a truly interesting innovation there. How do we?
[22:00] <troy_s> vish: If everyone on the Ubuntu Art list grabbed hold of that problem and it was framed properly (who, goal, etc.) I bet there would be some _extremely_ interesting results.
[22:02] <troy_s> vish: I dare say that the maturity level in this regard may have been reached that there might be more than a few people to take it seriously.
[22:02] <darkmatter> vish. even longhorn had used a similar approach before it was scrapped for being to 'radical' a change for windows. the folders were gone, file icons had gone, etc, and it wasn't just a dreamweaver mockup. I don't know if the old pdc videos are available, but it was similar to the gallery
[22:03] <vish> win7 does something similar but still has the "folder" covering them , which blows ;p
[22:04] <troy_s> vish: Because god knows the number of people that actually use computers these days even know what a folder is right?
[22:04] <troy_s> vish: I wonder how many people really have touched a folder in real life. LOL.
[22:05] <vish> on that note >  http://www.baekdal.com/notes/work/icon-change-metaphor/
[22:05] <troy_s> vish: And a distinctly Libre twist - for what culture?
[22:06] <troy_s> vish: Metaphors are intrinsically cultural. If you make some sort of agreed upon conclusion, I'd bet dollars for doughnuts it's ethnocentric.
[22:06] <troy_s> vish: And a biting edge on that is that if there is one truly groundbreaking innovation to be had there, it is the idea that _we_ could implement locales based metaphors and such overnight.
[22:06] <darkmatter> longhorn also did stacks before osx did. kinda like the libraries in 7 but different. it was a neat implementation too, because you could rifle through stacks
[22:07] <troy_s> vish: Show the big boys how absolutely tragic their egocentric development is.
[22:07] <darkmatter> it was a nice metaphor that I wish they had kept, because it felt 'real world' as opposed to artificially structured
[22:07] <troy_s> vish: I bet you would be hard pressed to get anything other than "Well that's not what Apple and Microsoft does."
[22:07] <troy_s> ;)
[22:07] <troy_s> Ok. out.
[22:10] <vish> oooh , the gallery tilts with the viewing direction :)
[22:12] <vish> kinda pointless but nice touch ;p
[22:45] <troy_s> vish: Yes. The world will likely change when Nintendo debuts the 3DS.
[22:45] <troy_s> vish: If Nintendo carries on with tracking, you _might_ get to see something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_P4gyjf5tQ
[22:46] <troy_s> vish: I don't think it is a huge leap.


[01:04] <JawnSmith> Is any core dev available to restart the autopkgtest for software-properties version <IP_ADDRESS> in groovy?
[01:08] <cjwatson> JawnSmith: Done
[01:08] <JawnSmith> cjwatson: thanks!
[01:08] <cjwatson> np
[09:50] <cpaelzer> rbalint: it seems my questons in regard to systemd autopkgtest status didn't reach you yesterday
[09:51] <cpaelzer> rbalint: since today everything looks as bad or worse I've filed bug 1915126 about it
[09:51] <cpaelzer> that way you can pick it up whenever you are around and everyone else blocked by the same can chime in there
[09:51] <cpaelzer> mfo: ^^ FYI
[09:51] <cpaelzer> bryce: ^^ FYI
[13:23] <seb128> ddstreet, hey, I'm mostly curious but what is the moving behind https://code.launchpad.net/~ddstreet/software-properties/+git/software-properties/+merge/396926 ? there is no description or rational nor bug linked to the change
[13:34] <seb128> tjaalton, do you have any idea about the libxcb/s390x build failure?
[13:34] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/521797278/buildlog_ubuntu-hirsute-s390x.libxcb_1.14-3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[13:34] <seb128>     inlined from ‘parse_display_negative_fn’ at ../../tests/check_public.c:153:2:
[13:34] <seb128> ../../tests/check_public.c:82:3: error: ‘%s’ directive argument is null [-Werror=format-overflow=]
[13:34] <seb128>    82 |   ck_assert_msg(!success, "unexpected parse success %sfor '%s'", test_string[test_type], name);
[13:34] <seb128> unsure why that would be arch specific...
[13:36] <tjaalton> and only on ubuntu
[13:36] <tjaalton> but no, I don't
[13:38] <seb128> :(
[14:09] <ddstreet> seb128 the author of the MR appears to have wanted to remove the python-requests-unixsocket dep from software-properties, and based on the project having no upstream commits in ~1.5 years it's probably good not to rely on it
[14:10] <seb128> ddstreet, it's confusing, the vcs and mp is from you?
[14:12] <ddstreet> seb128 this was his original mr https://code.launchpad.net/~slingamn/software-properties/+git/software-properties/+merge/389182
[14:12] <ddstreet> then this one, but i preferred to simplify it more https://code.launchpad.net/~slingamn/software-properties/+git/software-properties/+merge/396880
[14:12] <ddstreet> so i opened the final mr
[14:13] <seb128> ddstreet, ah, thanks, the reference was missing, that one has useful details
[14:13] <seb128> makes sense now!
[15:34] <rbalint> cpaelzer, thanks for the bug, i'm working on the next upload
[15:45] <cpaelzer> thanks rbalint
[15:45] <cpaelzer> if you have any further insight to it please dump it to th bug
[15:45] <cpaelzer> I've already got two other that are potentially looking into it and have told them to look&past at the bug to sync on it
[15:47] <rbalint> cpaelzer, do i understand correctly that the tests pass locally for you?
[15:47] <cpaelzer> rbalint: indeed
[15:48] <cpaelzer> systemd-fsckd        PASS
[15:48] <cpaelzer> yep
[15:48] <cpaelzer> I have not redircted the log, but can pass you a copy&poaste of the console if you think it would help (I don't think so)
[15:49] <cpaelzer> This is the command that workss for me "sudo ~/work/autopkgtest/autopkgtest/runner/autopkgtest --no-built-binaries --apt-upgrade --testname=systemd-fsckd --shell systemd_247.1-4ubuntu1.dsc -- qemu --ram-size=1536 --cpus 1 ~/work/autopkgtest-hirsute-amd64.img"
[15:49] <rbalint> cpaelzer, no, your word is enough :-)
[15:49] <cpaelzer> I have not yet iterated on running all/more testcases an or CPU/memory capacity
[15:50] <rbalint> cpaelzer, ack, giving a try to running it on big vms worth trying imo, i'm rebasing my MP @ https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-cloud/+merge/383953
[16:03] <rbalint> Laney, please give a try to making systemd big on amd64 : https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-cloud/+merge/397740
[16:03] <rbalint> cpaelzer, ^
[16:04] <rbalint> cpaelzer, as i see ppc64el got better today
[16:07] <cpaelzer> yes rbalint, at least I got through two tests
[16:08] <cpaelzer> on ppc64el that is
[16:38] <Laney> rbalint: I'll try it manually first, we'll see
[16:39] <rbalint> Laney, thanks!
[16:39] <Laney> cpaelzer's sizes there are the sizes of the instances we use currently though and it passed
[16:39] <Laney> do you know why having a too small instances ends up with you in emergency mode?
[17:13] <tdaitx> doko: I updated bug 1915009 with the requirements for MIR, should I ping someone from the ~ubuntu-mir and security team for reviews or is this bug update enough?
[17:15] <tdaitx> I am asking about the pings because I was told by mclemenceau that this is somewhat urgent
[17:21] <mclemenceau> thanks tdaitx for updating the ticket
[17:47] <teward> this will sound a tad like a "why are you asking" question, but at what point did /run and /boot get mounted with 'nodev' options, and is there a way to make that happen on older systems?  Asking on the older systems part because a vuln management system is whining about /run and /boot not being mounted with nodev.
[17:47] <teward> mounted with nodev option by default*
[19:20] <xnox> teward:  initramfs-tools, systemd built'in, fstab will try to mount those end points.
[19:20] <xnox> teward:  if you want them with nodev, you should be able to set that in fstab; and do update-initramfs -u.
[19:20] <xnox> teward:  then on boot it will be mounted without nodev option; but should then be remounted with it.
[19:20] <xnox> teward:  if it doesn't it's a bug in ubuntu.
[19:21] <xnox> teward:  more comonly people tweak the tmpfs size of /run. or like umask of /boot => so it's not that uncommon to customize those.
[20:03] <rbalint> Laney, how did the manual test go?
[20:04] <rbasak> vorlon, sil2100: TB meeting?
[20:16] <Laney> rbalint: I didn't do it yet, I've been busy with .0 stuff
[21:09] <ItzSwirlz> rbasak: oops im late.. LP #1901344 reminder
[23:13] <santa_> hi everyone
[23:16] <santa_> doko: note for whenever you can read: since a short time ago, I have been getting some kde packages built with files with the wrong owner
[23:16] <santa_> for example:
[23:17] <santa_> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/522205798/buildlog_ubuntu-hirsute-amd64.kwayland-integration_4%3A5.20.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu21.04~ppa2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[23:17] <santa_> -rw-r--r-- buildd/buildd 18984 2021-01-21 23:44 ./usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kf5/kguiaddons/kmodifierkey/kmodifierkey_wayland.so
[23:18] <santa_> this file ↑ should be owned by root
[23:19] <santa_> I have the impression that the new libc6 & friends triggered this, but I have no solid evidence
[23:19] <santa_> this doesn't happen without -proposed
[23:21] <santa_> I have *temporarily* available here the results of a test rebuild of our kubuntu kde WIP packages: http://tritemio-groomlake.duckdns.org/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp3/
[23:21] <santa_> they are several packages affected from kde applications
[23:22] <santa_> so if you can give me a hand with this I would appreciate it very much
[23:22] <santa_> in case it's not libc6 & friends fault, sorry for the noise :)


[00:02] <Darkwing> OK
[00:02] <Darkwing> meerkat t-shirts I think
[00:02] <Darkwing> maybe 2
[00:03] <pleia2> they were still shipping meerkat tshirts with conference packs in october?
[00:04] <pleia2> that's crazy, might need to talk to the loco council about it, dumping excess goods from crazy old releases on loco teams isn't cool
[00:04] <bkerensa> not cool
[00:04] <bkerensa> :(
[00:05] <bkerensa> Canonical even gets Pangolin and Oneiric shirts :P
[00:06] <pleia2> I could see natty shirts since the request was made just before oneiric was shipped, but maverick was a year old by then :(
[00:06] <pleia2> I think we got maverick shirts for SCALE *last* year
[00:10] <Gareth> nhaines: ping
[00:13] <akk> I'm sure you can find lots of takers for meerkat shirts, though I agree on principle about the dumping old stuff on locos.
[00:14] <Darkwing> I'll be wearing my pangolin shirts
[01:47] <Darkwing> Anyone seen iheartubuntu?
[02:02] <pleia2> Darkwing: he hasn't been online, but he responds to email
[02:02] <pleia2> s/online/on irc
[02:02] <Darkwing> pleia2: thanks
[02:24] <philipballew> Darkwing, I talked to him yesterday. He says he'll be at scale friday only
[02:25] <Darkwing> I was looking for some artwork he did for us.
[02:25] <Darkwing> us being SCALE
[02:37] <philipballew> I have his cell number if you need it Darkwing
[02:38] <Darkwing> philipballew: Thanks but, I got it via email :)
[02:38] <philipballew> good! see you at scale!
[02:42] <Darkwing> Aye :)
[02:51] <Darkwing> pleia2: I have a couple of books to raffel off.
[02:52] <Darkwing> s/raffel/raffle/
[02:52] <pleia2> Darkwing: great, me too
[02:52] <Darkwing> I forget what they are called.
[02:52] <Darkwing> Oh yeah...
[02:53] <pleia2> I have one of the latest Official Ubuntu Book
[02:53] <Darkwing> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9781593272579.do
[02:53] <Darkwing> I have I think 3 or 4 of them.
[02:53] <pleia2> sweet
[02:53] <pleia2> I'll bring raffle tickets :)
[02:54] <pleia2> I figure we tell everyone to come at a certain time each day and hand out raffle tickets when they arrive, then do a raffle
[02:54] <pleia2> other raffle ideas in the past haven't worked out well
[02:55] <Darkwing> and I think I have a couple of copies of Linux in a nutshell
[02:56] <jyo> and everyone gets a free CD for participating in the raffle. Hooray?
[02:59] <Darkwing> I was thinking of having them sign up for the ML
[03:00] <philipballew> I still have to get my speech together for scale. this thing is coming fast
[03:00] <Darkwing> For a Raffle Ticket
[03:00] <philipballew> we can get a dedicated ml computer set up?
[03:01] <pleia2> maybe not a dedicated one (we don't have enough computers) but we can bring it up in the browser of any of the demo ones
[03:01] <Darkwing> But, I think that would be good for the raffle
[03:01] <philipballew> Im sure someone could bring an extra laptop, however, the table might not have enough room.
[03:02] <philipballew> would a simple pen and paper ml sign up work?
[03:02] <Darkwing> I'm not a fan as it is not easy to read some of these things.
[03:02] <akk> ml?
[03:02] <Darkwing> Mailing List.
[03:03] <pleia2> philipballew: I haven't had a ton of luck getting many laptops at all for demos
[03:03] <pleia2> so while you're "sure" - I'm not sure we'll even have enough for basic demos :)
[03:04] <Darkwing> I can bring a monitor, keyboard and mouse if someone has a small tower.
[03:04] <akk> oh, hey, would an exoPC tablet help? I have one sitting around doing nothing.
[03:04] <philipballew> I have 3 laptops i can bring. a dell i5, a ppc macbook with a cli install. and a laptop thats windows 2000 era.
[03:04] <Darkwing> That would be kinda cool.
[03:04] <akk> It's meego, but it runs ubuntu off a USB stick just fine (and maybe it's time to install it permanently).
[03:05] <Darkwing> show off the tablet running Ubuntu while they sign up.
[03:05] <akk> And it takes less desk space than a traditional laptop.
[03:06] <philipballew> pleia2, I can bring a unity laptop and a lubuntu laptop
[03:06] <Darkwing> ohhhh, lubuntu
[03:07] <philipballew> its pretty cool.
[03:07] <Darkwing> I might leave my laptop at the booth so we can show off Kubuntu... i don't think anyone else uses teh Blue wonder
[03:07] <philipballew> its really old hardware. people can be amazed that the big linux distro runs on old stuff as well
[03:07] <Darkwing> :D
[03:08] <pleia2> can you guys add these to our wiki page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale10x
[03:09] <pleia2> so far all we officially have is jdeslip bringing a netbook with ubuntu
[03:12] <Darkwing> Actually, scratch the keyboard.
[03:12] <Darkwing> It has Microsoft plastered all over it
[03:24] <philipballew> pleia2, I might need my laptop when I speak at scale
[03:25] <philipballew> is that a problem? unless they give you one. I wouldnt know
[03:26] <akk> philipballew: I believe them have them available, but most speakers use their own.
[03:27] <akk> With someone else's, you can't be sure that everything's going to work predictably the way it did when you rehearsed.
[03:27] <akk> (not that you can be sure of that anyway -- darned computers, they always manage to glitch in some amusing way :)
[03:28] <philipballew> true, i had my laptop give a kernal panic during an online test once.
[03:29] <akk> I have live demos for my scale talk, involving hardware as well as software, so it should be ... interesting.
[03:30] <philipballew> what talk are you giving akk
[03:31] <akk> "Fun with Linux and Devices" -- about hardware and robotics, mostly Arduino
[03:31] <Darkwing> I'm not talking this year.
[03:31] <philipballew> nice. That sounds like a fun one
[03:32] <akk> That's the plan, anyway! Fingers crossed.
[03:32] <akk> What's yours?
[05:12] <bkerensa> :D
[05:18] <Darkwing> nhaines: ping
[05:43] <nhaines> Ah, looking better now: https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x/speakers/nathan/haines
[05:43] <nhaines> Darkwing: pong
[05:51] <Darkwing> nhaines: I answered my own question. I'll make sure that the schedule gets updated with UbuCon speakers
[05:51] <Darkwing> I noticed that it was not updated
[05:51] <nhaines> The data are incomplete.
[05:52] <nhaines> Don't worry, I am driving my speakers with whips about this!
[05:52] <Darkwing> Is this up to date? http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x/events/ubucon
[05:53] <Darkwing> Because this didn't have anything really on Ubucon. http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x/schedule
[05:54] <nhaines> Hmm, the information on http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x/events/ubucon should not be published because it is not finalized.
[05:55] <Darkwing> :) I forgot to send in my speaker request lol
[05:55] <nhaines> I know how this time of year gets!
[06:08] <Gareth> 'lo
[06:12] <Darkwing> nhaines: There is no more openings for speakers is there. :)
[06:17] <Gareth> so right I've published the schedule as Nathan has provided in the UbuCon event page...but its not in the main schedule yet but those speakers have not registered & submitted talks yet.
[06:23] <nhaines> Darkwing: Don't think so, but if you want to submit a standby talk, I'm all for contingency plans.
[06:23] <Darkwing> Email?
[06:24] <Darkwing> Rather, should I email?
[06:24] <nhaines> Yes, check out http://ubucon.org/scale/scale10x/
[06:25] <Gareth> nhaines: so we less than 2 weeks away :) Why havent your speakers submitted their talks yet? :)
[06:25] <nhaines> And do it tonight, because I very much hope to have the full site up tomorrow.
[06:25] <nhaines> Gareth: because they are still sluggish from egg nog.  :)
[06:26] <Gareth> please have them submit in the next day or so.  I want to get it finalized.
[06:27] <nhaines> Gareth: that's what I've told them, but I'm at their mercy.  If I don't have everything by Monday night I'll submit placeholder titles. I know everyone's topic.
[06:27] <nhaines> Gareth: I think this month-early stuff came up a little faster than everyone thought.  :)
[06:27] <Darkwing> I know it did for me. :)
[06:28] <Darkwing> And I've typped in the dates a couple hundred times lol
[06:28] <Gareth> seriously, why are they lagging?
[06:28] <Darkwing> Apathy?
[06:29] <Gareth> yeah. its a bit of a surprise but its really no excuse for not submitting a talk that you know you're going to give in less than 2 weeks.
[06:29] <Darkwing> :D
[06:29] <Gareth> if its apathy then thats lame
[06:29] <Darkwing> I would tend to agree.
[06:31] <Gareth> not trying to be a difficult here.  Its tough corralling people.  If I can help let me know.
[06:32] <nhaines> I don't think it's apathy.  I think a lot of planning got put on hold for the winter holidays.
[06:33] <nhaines> The two outstanding speakers told me they'd have the information soon, which I have to take on faith, and Jorge literally volunteered last-minute, so he's really doing me a favor.
[06:34] <Gareth> Nod.  Like I said...if I can help let me know, I can be the bad guy if need be :)
[06:35] <nhaines> I appreciate it.  :)  I'm definitely already anxious, but I won't be upset until Tuesday.  Then I will be positively annoyed.  :)
[06:35] <Gareth> Okay.  we'll wait until Tuesday then.
[06:35] <nhaines> Thanks.  I'll send another email tonight and then poke people Monday afternoon.
[06:36] <Gareth> if those people are definitely speaking then I'm going to add filler sessions, just so the schedule is complete.
[06:36] <nhaines> Do it, then.  But please spell Ralf *Pieper*'s name right, he was a little upset with me and I couldn't figure out why until tonight.  :)
[06:37] <Gareth> won't include his name until he submits it.
[06:37] <Darkwing> nhaines: backup talk submitted.
[06:37] <nhaines> It's on the Ubucon even page and it's wrong.  :)
[06:37] <Gareth> yeah. just saw that and fixed it.
[06:37] <nhaines> Gareth: thanks.
[06:38] <nhaines> Darkwing: Thank you.  Last time I did a lightning talk session, it was all crickets from the audience.  Pete Graner stepped up and really saved the day there.
[06:38] <Darkwing> Maybe I'll hold it for that... Last time I did a talk on activities it went for an hour. :)
[06:40] <nhaines> It's no sweat for me to stall for an hour but I prefer to have something lined up.  So if you'll be around for the 10am slot, well, be prepared.
[06:42] <Darkwing> I will.
[06:45] <Gareth> nhaines: any chance we can adjust the schedule to have your last talk start at 4pm?  so it lines up with the rest of the friday events?
[06:49] <nhaines> Gareth: yes, I have the last talk as starting at 4pm already.
[06:50] <nhaines> I have 9, 10, 11:30, 1:30, 3, and 4.
[06:51] <Gareth> okay cool.
[06:53] <Gareth> schedules adjusted.
[06:54] <Gareth> nhaines: thanks.
[06:54] <Gareth> bbl
[06:58] <nhaines> Gareth: thank you!
[08:58] <nhaines> Hmm, Ubuntu TV concept: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/ubuntu-tv-unveiled-at-ces/
[14:22] <monica_> hi
[14:23] <monica_> can someone help me to configure an intel chipset on ubuntu 11.10?
[14:23] <monica_> I find the opengl very slow
[17:50] <pleia2> monica_: do you know what card it is? (should be able to figure out something that looks related to video among the output of this command: lspci)
[17:50] <pleia2> I don't have experience with intel cards, but typically if you put the card model number into ubuntuforums.org you can get a place to start
[17:51] <akk> At least for my machines, lspci seldom gives any useful info on the graphics controller.
[17:51] <akk> (Intel)
[17:52] <akk> I have to pick through dmesg to find anything useful.
[18:30] <jyo> Good morning, everyone.
[18:38] <nhaines> akk: first you identify the card, then you can figure out what arcane incantations are needed to get it to work.
[18:45] <pleia2> anyone think they could do a "Basics to Ubuntu" session for User Days on Saturday?
[18:46] <pleia2> basic explaining how to navigated Unity, install software
[18:46] <pleia2> -d
[18:47] <MarkDude> grantbow, should make it
[18:47] <MarkDude> he has free transport, as well as his room paid for
[18:47] <MarkDude> Already arranged
[18:57] <pleia2> MarkDude: yay!
[19:10] <Darkwing> pleia2: ping
[19:12] <pleia2> Darkwing: pong
[19:13] <Darkwing> pleia2: I recieved an email from some of the Qt guys that will be at SCALE. They are trying to get a push on Qt with having ppl be part of a "Qt is used here" on booths.  Because of the long standing Kubungu/KDE and Qt connection plus Ubuntu starting to adopt Qt inside, would we be interested in being a part of this?
[19:14] <pleia2> Darkwing: I've already been talking to one of them on the Unity 2D side, I think it's good
[19:14] <pleia2> I assume they are talking to you about Kubuntu?
[19:14] <Darkwing> Well, sorta.
[19:15] <Darkwing> I know most of them from the KDE side anyway but yes.
[19:15] <Darkwing> We all hung out at UDS :D
[19:15] <pleia2> cool
[19:15] <Darkwing> Okay cool.
[19:15] <pleia2> they asked me about KDE stuff and I haven't had a chance to reply, so I'll reply and just tell them to continue talking to you ;)
[19:16] <Darkwing> Prolly isn't the same ppl have them email me anyway. :P
[19:16] <Darkwing> Knowing Qt...
[19:16] <Darkwing> It's like everything else. No one talks to anyone else.
[19:16] <pleia2> Peter Mui
[19:16] <Darkwing> Yup same person
[19:17] <Darkwing> :D
[19:17] <Darkwing> That's a first.
[19:17] <Darkwing> But I like the idea of having a "Qt is used here" tag
[19:18] <Darkwing> Because it's not just for us in KDE land anymore.
[19:20]  * MarkDude advised friend to pick KDE
[19:20] <Darkwing> Yay! :)
[19:20] <MarkDude> turns out there was a bug ONLY to KDE for printer
[19:20] <MarkDude> NOTHING ELSE
[19:20] <MarkDude> no unity bug
[19:20] <MarkDude> No Gnome 3 bug
[19:21] <MarkDude> lxde, xfce bug? nope
[19:21] <MarkDude> KDE
[19:21]  * MarkDude waves his fist wildly, vaguely in direction of Europe
[19:27] <nhaines> So my job for Ubucon is to learn as much about Ubuntu TV as I can, because that's all anyone's gonig to ask during Q&A.
[19:52] <MarkDude> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/ubuntu-tv-unveiled-at-ces/
[19:52] <MarkDude> Unity interface now makes sense
[19:52] <MarkDude> it would be effin' awesome on a tv
[19:53]  * bkerensa whacks MarkDude with a frozen Salmon
[19:54]  * MarkDude said truth
[19:54] <MarkDude> :)
[19:58] <bkerensa> ;p
[20:34] <MarkDude> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS-XrI6Uh3M
[20:35] <MarkDude> How racist is that? I saw it this holiday in Utah
[20:36] <MarkDude> more a bit odd, all sorts of white kids dressed up as differing cultures, they sing that song every year
[20:37]  * MarkDude remembers doing the Mexican hat dance in school inSan Diego, and a few friends saying - um yes, we NEVER do this at home :D
[20:38] <bkerensa> idk... I watched this documentary called "the reel injuns" last night and it talked about how Hollywood has used film to brainwash Americans into believing stereotypes about Native Americans
[20:39] <bkerensa> Funny thing is apparently in all the movies you hear Native Americans actually talking in a native tongue they are just making up random stuff and insulting other actors
[20:39] <bkerensa> Studios never considered translating what they were saying :P
[20:42] <MarkDude> True
[20:42] <MarkDude> kemo sabe for example
[20:43] <MarkDude> Tonto was calling the Lone Ranger sh*t head
[20:43]  * MarkDude is working on his zombie comic, and needed Eastern Indian woman, a few people suggested I do it with makeup :P
[20:44]  * MarkDude was like nope. Thats approaching black face...... run away
[20:45] <MarkDude> Similar to Halloween costumes, if you want to dress as Italian you wear a Mario mustache... or one like I have now
[20:47]  * MarkDude just found out term *mustache petes* for Italian gangsters, came from a relative Peter Morello http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Morello
[20:48] <MarkDude> Hmmm my ancestry reseacrh is turning into a crime documentary :)
[21:01] <Darkwing> pleia2: you want to do the Xubuntu LTS request for the tech board? :P
[21:04] <pleia2> Darkwing: all I do on the xubuntu side is marketing and web, our LTS thing was already forwarded to the tech board but I don't know who is handling it
[21:04] <Darkwing> NM Knome showed up.
[21:06] <pleia2> yeah, he's project lead
[21:07] <MarkDude> is XPL making it to UDS?
[21:07]  * MarkDude is hoping all sorts of *PL folks make it


[02:41] <jachin> Hi, there. :)
[02:42] <jachin> I'm KDE Korea team co-ordinator, Cho Sung Jae.
[02:42] <jachin> I want to ask for the policy about canonical approvement for loco team.
[03:06] <skellat> jachin: I apologize for the delay, what is your question?
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[12:33] <czajkowski> jachin: howdy it;s the loco council that help you there
[13:24] <jachin> czajkowski: Thanks. :)
[13:25] <jachin> skellat, Thanks for replying. Well... it's difficult to explain related with Korean Ubuntu community.
[13:25] <czajkowski> jachin: you cna always email the loco council and I'm sure they'll help you
[13:25] <czajkowski> *can
[13:25] <czajkowski> !lococouncil
[13:25] <ubot2> The LoCo Council is coolbhavi, costales, jose, SergioMeneses, skellat and PabloRubianes - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:25] <jachin> Wow. Good bot. :)
[13:26] <PabloRubianes> hello
[13:27] <PabloRubianes> jachin: please send us an email and will help you
[13:27] <jachin> PabloRubianes: Thank you very much. :)
[13:35] <PabloRubianes> jachin: no problem
[13:44] <elfy> PabloRubianes: ping
[13:44] <PabloRubianes> elfy pong
[13:45] <PabloRubianes> hello
[13:45] <elfy> hi PabloRubianes - long time no see :)
[13:45] <elfy> not sure if you can help - I've been trying to sort a meeting with skellat re the discourse forum and closing the forum's sub forums
[13:46] <elfy> I assume you've read the mails from me
[13:46] <PabloRubianes> elfy: yes I been having some family difficulties
[13:46] <PabloRubianes> yes I saw the emails
[13:46] <elfy> aah ok - I'm trying to get together with someone from loco council and jorge
[13:47] <PabloRubianes> elfy: when is the meeting ?
[13:47] <elfy> well - when I spoke to him we were looking to do it today - but I've not managed to catch him for long enough since then
[13:48] <jose> just to let you know, it's hard to get jorge for more than 5mins :P
[13:48] <elfy> today is possibly now too soon - you available at all soon?
[13:48] <elfy> jose: lol
[13:48] <jose> I will possibly be available the whole next week, I'm on vacations now I have lots of spare time
[13:49] <elfy> jose: right - I forgot you were on the loco council ...
[13:49] <jose> :)
[13:50] <elfy> ok - well how about I leave it with the lococouncil to arrange it with jc - I'm about monday - wed from 0900 to 2100 UTC
[13:50] <PabloRubianes> jose: you can take care of this meeting?
[13:50] <elfy> czajkowski wants to be there as well - so we'll need to let her know too
[13:50] <jose> sure thing, I'll ping jorge to see what we can do and I'll let you all know
[13:50] <elfy> ok - thanks jose :)
[13:50] <jose> elfy: mind having this chat over #ubuntu-community-team? jcastro is there
[13:51] <omnidan> hi jose
[13:51] <jose> hey, omnidan! how's everything? :)
[13:52] <omnidan> jose: no progress with ubuntu austria, moved to xubuntu (replaced the wm and stuff with dwm though) on my work laptop, going to viennajs and the vienna xmas dev day next week
[13:52] <jose> no worries - plans can start popping up on 2014 maybe? :)
[13:53] <omnidan> jose: I really hope so, I'm very busy lately, new partners, probably going to ISE in amsterdam
[13:53] <jose> omnidan: oh, cool! it's really good to hear that the projects are getting bigger
[13:54] <omnidan> jose: we're expanding at a very high rate atm, keeps me busy, we even had to put some internal projects to sleep for now because of all those apps that need to be done for fairs and stuff
[13:55] <omnidan> sadly, this includes some open source projects
[13:55] <omnidan> mostly the open source projects actually :<
[13:55] <omnidan> and I can't open source (wouldn't make sense either tbh) apps that I coded under a contract for a partner company for a specific fair
[13:56] <jose> which sounds reasonable at that extent
[13:56] <omnidan> jose: but hey, I'm trying to keep my personal projects like git-leaf up-to-date
[13:56] <omnidan> all bsd/wtfpl licensed


[06:59] <BenC> any known issues about udev and get_netlink_msg errors, e.g. ENOBUFS from the recv() call?
[07:06] <BenC> whoops


[10:29] <qense> hello
[12:36] <ace_suares> hi good morning anyone awake? I have some issues with the website and would like to bring them to you att.
[16:35] <Turl> hi newz2000


[04:49] <pitti> Good morning
[06:12] <Mirv> is anyone else seeing "/usr/bin/ld.gold: --push-state: unknown option" like bzoltan is? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/218108553/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.ubuntu-ui-toolkit_1.3.1639%2B15.10.20150916.2-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[06:13] <Mirv> that's not familiar to me at lesat
[06:31] <TJ-> Mirv: yeah; it's an option in ld but not the older ld.gold. Makes it easy to save/restore flags for files
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[06:56] <Mirv> TJ-: right, it's just that bzoltan hasn't changed anything in the project being built and wondering what could have changed to cause that error on what's essentially a no-change rebuild
[06:57] <Mirv> bzoltan: right, you haven't changed anything packaging related that would do toolchain changes?
[06:58] <bzoltan> Mirv:  no, nothing is changed
[07:09] <smb> pitti, morning. A question just out of curiosity and since I randomly happened to look. In britney when is a test marked as "in progress"? I randomly was looking at a package and that had amd64 and i386 as in progress over hours and in fact i386 is still. While the actual runtime of the test (as for amd64) is just a couple of minutes
[07:09] <pitti> smb: yeah, sorry about that -- queues have been achingly long/slow for several days now, due to the continued downtime of half of scalingstack
[07:10] <smb> pitti, ah ok. explains a lot. so basically sent off and then died in some way
[07:10] <pitti> smb: i. e. "in progress" both means "running" (8 tests at a time per arch), and "queued" (still ~ 240 items)
[07:10] <pitti> smb: well, not died, there's just a long line
[07:11] <pitti> smb: the queues aren't currently exposed on a web UI; that's on the TODO list, after I'm done with teaching britney enough about the intricacies of kernel tests :) (working with apw on that one)
[07:11] <smb> pitti, ok. I just cannot make a relation between the previous runtimes and any delta between changing into running now and its end. Which I was just wondering.
[07:12] <pitti> smb: right, that's entirely dominated by the test request queue lengths
[07:12] <pitti> smb: yesterday evening we had 600 queued tests, now 240, but of course every package upload triggers new ones :)
[07:13] <smb> pitti, ok, thanks. :) At least I don't have to worry about me having done something that locked the testing up... well half of that worry was gone after amd64 completed at least. :)
[07:14] <pitti> smb: I was told that scalingstack lcy01 comes back this week, then we are back to the "normal" under-powered mode :)
[07:14] <smb> pitti, Lovely. :D
[07:18] <TJ-> Mirv: gc++-5 (5.2.1-17ubuntu4)  has had recent changes for PR c++/65913 which add 'push-state'
[07:32] <Mirv> TJ-: thanks, that's exactly what I was thinking about, a toolchain change
[07:32] <Mirv> hmm, doko is not online though
[07:32] <TJ-> Mirv: an amazingly invasive sude-effect :)
[07:32] <TJ-> s/sude/side/
[07:34] <Mirv> bzoltan: ^ not-your-fault-can't-do-anything-before-doko-is-online. probably.
[07:38] <bzoltan> Mirv:  OK, the UITK landing is blocked for now than.
[07:51] <TJ-> Mirv: bzoltan: the issue could be in qtbase-opensource-src-5.4.2+dfsg (qmake) which does "mkspecs/common/gcc-base-unix.conf:19:QMAKE_LFLAGS_USE_GOLD   = -fuse-ld=gold" irrespective of libraries being linked.
[08:12] <caribou> what is the process to produce the mini.iso that we provide in the archives
[08:15] <Mirv> TJ-: ouch. it seems this hasn't hit Debian yet so they don't have anything for that yet. thanks for the find! I'm filing a bug.
[08:15] <Mirv> bzoltan: depending on schedule needs, you might want to consider vivid-overlay only landing this time and sync up for the next landing after this
[08:15] <Mirv> since it's gcc/qtbase, this might take a little while
[08:16] <caribou> Laney: how can we get a fix into a package in -backports ?
[08:16] <bzoltan> Mirv:  OK, thanks
[08:17] <Laney> caribou: re-backport it from the place it came from with the fix included
[08:17] <caribou> Laney: well, the place it came from works, so a patch needs to be added to the package to backport
[08:18] <caribou> Laney: haproxy1.5 uses start-stop-daemon --pid which is only available in Wily
[08:18] <Mirv> filed bug #1496743
[08:19] <Laney> caribou: then whoever said this backport works needs to be spanked
[08:20] <caribou> Laney: well it works, it simply doesn't terminate (LP: #1494141)
[08:20] <Laney> caribou: file bug against backports with a patch
[08:21] <caribou> Laney: ok, will do. thanks
[08:40] <ginggs> Hi all. How reliable is http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ ?  Package deal.ii FTBFS on all archs in Debian since June, but this page only shows the ppc failure, where it has never built.
[08:41] <ginggs> I tried a no-change rebuild of deal.ii 8.1.0-4 on the PPA builders this morning, and it failed.
[08:42] <Laney> It's not trying to rebuild stuff but reporting the state of the archive as it is now
[08:42] <ginggs> I'm about to sync 8.1.0-5, but I'm just curious as to why it didn't show up on  http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/
[08:46] <ginggs> Laney, thanks
[09:05] <Laney> @pilot in
[11:32] <Laney> jamespage: hey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.log/+bug/1385295 is in the sponsor queue - should something happen with it?
[11:32] <jamespage> Laney, let me loot
[11:32] <jamespage> k
[11:33] <Laney> thanks!
[13:04] <seb128> dpm, pitti, hey, saw my langpack/evolution/wily question yesterday?
[13:05] <pitti> seb128: I did, but I thought you approved the -3.16 templates already?
[13:05] <seb128> pitti, right, but do we need to do anything for those to be included in the langpack?
[13:05] <seb128> the templates were approved for a while, I did fix some of the target details on the template page yesterday though
[13:05] <seb128> unsure if that was the issue
[13:06] <seb128> pitti, also https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/evolution-data-server
[13:06] <seb128> that has 2 templates and seems buggy
[13:06] <seb128> but I don't know how to delete the second one
[13:06] <pitti> seb128: shoudl be fine -- it's in http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/data/ubuntu-l10n/ubuntu_wily_potemplate-stats.json
[13:06] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/evolution-data-server/+pots/evolution-data-server/+edit seems wrong
[13:06] <seb128> translations domain: evolution-data-server-3.12
[13:06] <seb128> but I can't fix it/change to 3.16 since that's already used by the buggy other template
[13:09] <pitti> wgrant: ^ halp?
[13:15] <wgrant> seb128, pitti: Can you explain the situation?
[13:15] <wgrant> I don't understand how the second template came about.
[13:15] <wgrant> But if it was from an import, then won't further uploads just import into that?
[13:18] <seb128> wgrant, unsure how we ended up in that situation, evolution rename its template every cycle
[13:18] <seb128> evolution-3.xy
[13:18] <seb128> same for eds
[13:18] <seb128> but that seems buggy if you look at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/evolution-data-server
[13:18] <seb128> the first template points to the 3.12 domain which is outdated
[13:18] <wgrant> Right.
[13:18] <seb128> and the second one has no translation
[13:18] <wgrant> But fixing this is rather difficult.
[13:18] <seb128> and none is in the langpacks
[13:19] <seb128> can you delete the second one?
[13:19] <seb128> the 3.16 one
[13:19] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/evolution has only one
[13:19] <seb128> I guess somebody (could be me) did some wrong clicking when approving the eds 3.16 one
[13:19] <wgrant> I don't think it's possible to delete an entire template.
[13:20] <seb128> hum
[13:20] <wgrant> What have you done in the past?
[13:20] <wgrant> You must have manually approved the new pot and its pos into the existing template.
[13:20] <seb128> accepting the new template
[13:20] <seb128> right, that
[13:20] <seb128> like evo
[13:20] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/evolution/+pots/evolution/+edit
[13:21] <seb128> "evolution" template, domain "evolution-3.16"
[13:21] <seb128> I guess somebody accepted the new eds one as "eds-3.16" instead of "eds"
[13:22] <wgrant> Right.
[13:23] <ginggs> tjaalton: any chance of LP: #1412441 still happening for wily?
[13:23] <wgrant> So I think what needs to happen is that the -3.16 POTemplate and its POFiles need to have their paths adjusted to something that doesn't match reality, so future uploads won't autoimport into the bad template.
[13:24] <wgrant> Then we can deactivate the bad template, and perform a fresh upload to update the right template.
[13:24] <seb128> wgrant, k, thanks
[13:25] <tjaalton> ginggs: dunno
[13:26] <tjaalton> it's being updated in debian
[13:26] <seb128> wgrant, pitti, done, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/evolution-data-server ... first points to 3.16
[13:26] <seb128> do we need anything to have the .mo included in the next langpack now?
[13:26] <wgrant> I'm surprised it's not there already.
[13:26] <wgrant> There's no reason it wouldn't be.
[13:28] <seb128> wgrant, I guess that part is more for pitti?
[13:28] <seb128> or is the export coming from launchpad?
[13:28] <seb128> note that evo/eds has their "domain" set to "-3.12" until yesterday
[13:29] <seb128> so maybe that confused things
[13:29] <xclaesse> mardy, is it known bug that evolution can't connect to google account anymore and UOA won't let you renew you auth token?
[13:29] <xclaesse> mardy, I have to delete and re-create my google account like once a month
[13:29] <smb> rbasak, Did you succeed in getting infinity to give feedback on dpdk (and feedback from upstream about abi version 0)?
[13:30] <ginggs> tjaalton: yes, i saw your name in the changelog :)
[13:32] <mardy> xclaesse: well, I'd say it's unexpected, google gives us a refresh token which AFAIK has long validity time
[13:32] <mardy> xclaesse: do you happen to have "signond" lines in your syslog?
[13:33] <xclaesse> mardy, hm, empathy can't connect neither... wondering if the problem is that uoa never actually give the token to the app
[13:34] <xclaesse> a quick look at gabble logs and it seems to never receive a token to try connecting
[13:37] <xclaesse> Sep 17 09:28:07 xclaesse-X230 signond[1715]: QObject::disconnect: Unexpected null parameter
[13:37] <xclaesse> mardy, ^
[13:40] <mardy> xclaesse: try this: echo "LoggingLevel=2" > ~/.config/signond.conf
[13:41] <mardy> xclaesse: then delete the account and re-create it
[13:41] <mardy> xclaesse: (kill signond, if it's running)
[13:41] <mardy> xclaesse: and paste the syslog somewhere, but obscure the AccessToken and RefreshToken
[13:46] <xclaesse> mardy, restarted my session and now it works
[13:47] <xclaesse> mardy, with empathy-auth-client logs, I can confirm that what's going on is that UOA doesn't give the token
[13:47] <xclaesse> signond probably deadlocked or something
[13:48] <xclaesse> I have no idea how to reproduce, it just happens randomly like once a month
[13:49] <mardy> xclaesse: what's the lifetime of the AccessToken (ExpiresIn field)?
[13:49] <mardy> xclaesse: also, did you get a RefreshToken, or is that empty?
[13:50] <xclaesse> oh I see that:
[13:50] <xclaesse> Sep 17 09:43:14 xclaesse-X230 signond[1715]: message repeated 2 times: [ ../../../../src/signond/signonsessioncore.cpp 369 startProcess Error occurred while getting data from credentials database.]
[13:50] <xclaesse> Sep 17 09:43:14 xclaesse-X230 signond[1715]: Challenge produces CRASH!
[13:52] <xclaesse> mardy, I see no mention to AccessToken in syslog
[13:53] <xclaesse> great now spamassassin is going to take 100% CPU for hours while evolution re-fetch all my emails
[13:53] <mardy> xclaesse: weird, never saw that. Could you please paste the full logs somewhere?
[14:28] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: cjwatson: So we take the ext4 filesystem that live-build creates, and we create tarballs etc. from it. One thing we need is a disk image with a single partition that is the ext4 filesystem. I've tried using kpartx (which is what we currently do), but things weren't appearing in /dev/mapper.
[14:28] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: cjwatson: I've been trying to replicate lb_binary_hdd but been running in to all sorts of problems using live-build's losetup stuff.
[14:28] <Odd_Bloke> Do you have any thoughts as to the best way of achieving this, or why kpartx might not be putting stuff in /dev/mapper?
[14:30] <Odd_Bloke> It's particularly weird that it isn't happening because it _reports_ stuff has been mapped, it just isn't there.
[14:39] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: Is this in a Launchpad build context?  The whole thing runs in a chroot, I don't know if that matters
[14:41] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: It is in a LP build context, yeah.
[14:42] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: If you give me an existing build then I can possibly feed it to my local setup and see if I can reproduce it there (though it will likely be tomorrow at this point rather than today)
[14:42] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: unrelatedly, do you know anyone who could get https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/charms/trusty/ubuntu-repository-cache/inline-release/+merge/271107 merged for me?
[14:43] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Sure, I'll feed one using kpartx through (I'm going to try a `udevadm settle` as well, to see if that changes anything) and point you at it.
[14:43] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Someone in ~charmers needs to pull the trigger; I'm bugging them about another merge ATM so I'll bug about both at the same time. :)
[14:43] <cjwatson> thanks :)
[14:44] <cjwatson> udevadm settle might not hurt indeed, I'm not sure if losetup et al make sure to wait for async rules
[15:10] <Laney> @pilot out
[15:11] <seb128> Laney, good piloting round, nice to see some of the changes reviewed/uploaded ;-)
[15:50] <dpm> seb128, sorry, I was in calls/preparing for calls yesterday. You cannot delete templates in LP, the invalid templates can be "moved out of the way", but it is a bit cumbersome
[15:50]  * dpm looks for the documentation on doing that
[15:54] <tdaitx> slangasek, should I: 1) add linux-libc-dev and libc6-dev to the bug I have open for squid3 FTBFS, 2) create new bug and add both packages to it, or 3) create a new bug for each?
[15:58] <rbasak> infinity: ping
[16:00] <dpm> seb128, it's under "Moving templates out of the way" -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTranslationsCoordinators/Actions/LpTemplateAdministration
[16:02] <seb128> dpm, thanks, can you do that for me? ;-) I close the tabs since and I think I workarounded it by renaming templates
[16:03] <dpm> seb128, sure. I might have to leave it until tomorrow morning, but happy to
[16:03] <seb128> dpm, thanks
[16:03] <infinity> tdaitx: New tasks on the same bug is fine.  I have a 2.22 building in one of my PPAs right now, do you have reason to believe it's fixed upstream?
[16:03] <infinity> tdaitx: PS: bug number?
[16:03] <infinity> rbasak: *grunt*
[16:04] <tdaitx> infinity, I have seem some updates to netinet/in.h in glibc, but it is not clear if it is fixed, I did build glibc 2.22 yesterday but I couldn't get the ppa to use it for the squid3 build (didn't look much into it)
[16:06] <tdaitx> infinity, I believe I would need to bootstrap and rebuild a lot of stuff to get it to use a new glibc, right?
[16:07] <infinity> tdaitx: Just having glibc in a PPA and then building squid in same PPA will do the trick.  I can just copy squid3 into mine when glibc is done.
[16:07] <tdaitx> infinity, weird, that didn't work for me, I wonder why...
[16:08] <infinity> tdaitx: Which PPA?
[16:08] <tdaitx> infinity, https://launchpad.net/~tdaitx/+archive/ubuntu/testing
[16:09] <tdaitx> infinity, for some reason squid3 build still fetches 2.21 instead of 2.22
[16:09] <infinity> tdaitx: You probably just jumped the gun, retrying those builds. :P
[16:09] <rbasak> infinity: otp atm, but mumble when I'm done please? Within half an hour I imagine.
[16:09] <rbasak> (about dpdk as you can probably guess)
[16:09] <infinity> rbasak: I have an interview in 50m, if we can clear up your call before then, sure.
[16:09] <rbasak> infinity: OK, thanks.
[16:10] <rbasak> Almost done here I thin.
[16:10] <rbasak> think
[16:10] <tdaitx> infinity, well, I did wait for the glibc build to be done and retried later... how much time should I wait usually?
[16:11] <cjwatson> tdaitx: until the +packages page for that archive shows a green tick beside glibc; usually order of 10-15 minutes
[16:12] <cjwatson> there's a publication step in there which takes a while because there are a gazillion PPAs
[16:13] <tdaitx> cjwatson, hmm, ok, I _think_ the green tick was there, but I am not sure... if the build succeeds I will have my answer
[16:13] <infinity> Well, even if it fails, you'll have your answer in the logs about which libc6-dev it used. :P
[16:15] <tdaitx> heh, sure, my bad, that's what I meant =)
[16:15] <tdaitx> I was being over optimistic...
[16:17] <infinity> Erm.  Wat.
[16:17] <infinity> Yeah, it didn't upgrade.  I wonder what voodoo is at work here.
[16:18] <tdaitx> yeah, yesterday I assumed it was because whatever dependency is fetching libc6-dev is asking for a specific version of it and then I would need to rebuild from scratch with the new glibc
[16:19] <tdaitx> but as I said I didn't look much into that
[16:20] <infinity> Oh, or you just didn't update the package correctly. ;)
[16:20] <infinity> Mine will work.
[16:20] <infinity> You created a libc6 that's uninstallible.
[16:20] <infinity> (Though, in general, good job on the patch rebasing and such)
[16:20] <tdaitx> hmm, that bad uh?
[16:20] <tdaitx> =)
[16:21] <tdaitx> infinity, where did I go wrong?
[16:21] <tdaitx> I mean on the glibc, not in general =P
[16:21] <infinity> Oh, wait, mine won't work because it's intentionally FTBFS.  Perhaps I should fix that.
[16:22] <infinity> tdaitx: At the very least, you didn't upate symbols.wildcards, and hilariously managed to create a libc6_2.22 that depends on libc6 (<< 2.22)
[16:23] <tdaitx> ouch
[16:24] <infinity> Although, now I'm monumentally puzzled as to why your build passes the elf/tst-protected1* tests and mine doesn't.  Whee.
[16:25] <infinity> Oh, I wonder if I "fixed" that in an Ubuntu-specific patch, and my build is pure Debian.
[16:25]  * infinity will quickly merge all that and test again.
[16:26] <infinity> (massive jazz hands flailing around "fixed")
[16:26] <rbasak> infinity: done. Still avialable?
[16:26] <infinity> rbasak: Give me 3m, and I'll meet you on teh mumblez.
[16:27] <rbasak> ack
[16:29] <infinity> tdaitx: Toss that squid/glibc bug at me and I'll investigate when my 2.22 is done and fix it upstream if it's not fixed.
[16:30] <tdaitx> infinity, LP: #1496223
[16:30] <infinity> tdaitx: .
[16:30] <infinity> Ta...
[16:36] <rbasak> infinity: https://launchpad.net/~smb/+archive/ubuntu/dpdk/+packages
[16:37] <infinity>  0x000000000000000e (SONAME)             Library soname: [libdpdk.so.0]
[16:43] <tdaitx> infinity, grab this patch for squid3: LP: #1496924 (will fix the build-dep and the error on warning during the build)
[16:44] <rbasak> infinity: https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/FunctionMultiVersioning
[16:46] <slangasek> tdaitx: to answer your earlier question, it's all a single bug so multiple bug tasks for the related packages is preferred
[16:46] <slangasek> tdaitx: (but not worth fussing over)
[16:49] <tdaitx> slangasek, I have moved the current patch to LP: #1496924, with that fix applied the build fails due to header mismatch LP: #1496223
[17:30] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: That charm merge has happened (as you will no doubt be aware once you check your email :p) and I'm building a package which should produce a build which you can play with.
[17:46] <tkamppeter> hi, I have a problem with bug 1449875. I could fix it by adding a dependency to Ghostscript but the new dependency recommends tons of unneeded packages. Do all these get installed then, too?
[17:58] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Right, got that build: https://launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/cpc/+build/38142
[17:59] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: The problem is where we echo "/dev/mapper/loop0p1 is not a block device"; we would expect that to be a block device.  I have taken out the 'udevadm settle', because it didn't make any difference.
[18:00] <bdmurray> dannf: Could you add some SRU info to bug 1472650?
[18:00] <dannf> bdmurray: oh, sure - my bad
[19:05] <dannf> bdmurray: done
[19:14] <tdaitx> infinity, what ppa are you building glibc 2.22? I would like to check the diff to see exactly what I missed
[19:19] <infinity> tdaitx: You could check the commit on the tip of http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-glibc/glibc-package/branches/glibc-2.22/
[19:20] <infinity> tdaitx: Though, while it's interestingly educational, it might be a slight waste of time having two people do the same thing in paralle. ;)
[19:20] <tdaitx> infinity, don't worry, it is educational for me, I'm not going to work on that =)
[19:21] <tdaitx> I only did it yesterday because I wanted to check if it would solve the ftbfs, I was not willing to waste too many hours on it anyway (that why I didn't look too deep into why squid was not fetching the update I created)
[19:24] <infinity> tdaitx: There would have been a lot of places where you missed 's/2.21/2.22/' since we only just fixed that in Debian to mostly use GLIBC_VERSION and substitute all over.
[19:24] <infinity> tdaitx: And then a few places that still have to be handled manually, which you'll see in that commit.
[19:54] <dobey> does anyone know of a way to process debian/copyright files in a meaningful way, to only be shown the copyright/license info relevant to the actual libfoo.so binaries in packages, rather than having to manually correlate binaries to source code paths?
[21:29] <slangasek> it used to be that there was a place on the desktop where one could adjust font preferences (basically, fontconfig settings).  I can't seem to find that in unity anymore; does anyone know if this still exists somewhere in the UI? (Debian bug #798805)
[21:54] <hallyn> pitti: hey, just noticed that systemd in debian sid doesn't work in containers.  the previous version (same as in wily) does work.  assuem it's a regression in journald
[21:54] <hallyn> ("regressioN" from lxc pov anyway)
[21:54] <hallyn> haven't looked at debdiff
[22:08] <dobey> slangasek: i think it went away when gnome got rid of it upstream, a long while ago. the settings can be tweaked in dconf-editor though (i know, not a good UI for that). maybe ubuntu-tweak or one of those things has some UI for it
[22:23] <slangasek> dobey: right, turns out unity-tweak-tool does it


[23:33] <mich54> glitsj16, Errors were encountered while processing dovecot-common , dovecot-imapd , dovecot-pop3d
[23:33] <bastid_raZor> !rar | tj83
[23:33] <DataMatrix> d0wn: you can set shell while adding a user like this: useradd -d /home/newuser -m -s /bin/bash newuser
[23:34] <d0wn> Thanks funkyHat, and DataMatrix! It's fixed
[23:34] <d0wn> I'll do that next time, DataMatrix. thanks
[23:34] <tj83> bastid_raZor, TY... already got it... just when i did apt-cache search rar it returned many many packages... had to sit and sift them... but thanks anyways
[23:34] <glitsj16> mich54: which command did you run that threw those errors ? any clues ?
[23:35] <mich54> glitsj16, well i have to be honest , i was installin a server on an old pc of mine , but the server kept showing an error while installin the applictions cz it asked me to insert the server's disk which was already in, so i canceled the applications installation
[23:35] <DataMatrix> d0wn: note that useradd doesn't prompt you for password, you sould run passwd newuser to set password after creating the user
[23:35] <mich54> glitsj16, apt-get install proftpd
[23:35] <The_Wolf> hi folks
[23:35] <jair0> Hi there ! I have a problem with my wireless network configuration: I have to enter the password each time I want to connect
[23:35] <The_Wolf> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[23:35] <The_Wolf> Found laptop using ati driver.
[23:35] <The_Wolf> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[23:35] <mich54> glitsj16, apt-get install ntop
[23:35] <glitsj16> mich54: that could explain things yes
[23:35] <The_Wolf> i got this when trying to start cpmpiz
[23:35] <Pici> DataMatrix: you really use use adduser instead
[23:36] <The_Wolf> can you help?
[23:36] <jair0> it shows somethng like the hash of the key... using WPA and the regular network configuration
[23:36] <DataMatrix> Pici: yes, i just couldn't remember the command
[23:36] <funkyHat> d0wn: adduser is a friendlier command for adding a user than useradd, it automatically does a bunch of stuff for you that's normal for a new user (like a home directry etc, and prompting you for a password
[23:36] <glitsj16> mich54: if you don't plan on installing dovecot, i'd suggest removing all related packages from your system, the errors should disappear with those
[23:36] <DataMatrix> I got a firefox problem what just blew me off the chair - tables don't work as tables anymore, each cell has it's own height, like <span> elements instead of cells arranged in columns
[23:37] <mich54> glitsj16, so i found someone on a forum saying that he had the same problems and all he did was "find -name dovecot" and rm everything related to it , then he managed to reinstall it, i tried it and still i can't reinstall it bcz of the same error
[23:37] <mich54> glitsj16, i can't even uninstall it
[23:38] <mich54> glitsj16, it's not like a plan of using it or not , um tryin to learn how to setup a server and to use these services
[23:38] <DataMatrix> Has any one got an idea why firefox started working so strangely all of a sudden?
[23:39] <glitsj16> mich54: yes i understand, manually removing files related to dovecot could still keep the package manager confused though, my guess that is what is happening
[23:39] <The_Wolf> whqats the matter with my atoi radeon 9100 directrendering is yes and i can play 3d games like counter strike or warsow
[23:40] <mich54> glitsj16, well ... i understand that , but i tried "apt-get remove dovecot" , and all i got was the same errors
[23:40] <valdros> your playing cs on ubuntu?
[23:40] <bfrederi> How do I set environment variables system wide (and so that python will pick them up in it's os module)
[23:40] <The_Wolf> valdros: yep no problems since wine 1.0 and ati opensource driver, but i prefer nvidiqa
[23:40] <compubomb> question, how come i keep getting * Restarting System Logger messages ?
[23:40] <mich54> glitsj16, is there a way to make the package manager not see it
[23:40] <compubomb> on my terminal ?
[23:41] <webfarmer> need help anyone there
[23:41] <glitsj16> mich54: in synaptic i see several packages starting with the name dovecot, better try using synaptic, do a search on dovecot and try to remove those
[23:41] <valdros> the_wolf: man, if you could teach me how to do that, it would make my day
[23:41] <webfarmer> trying to install komodo onto my pc
[23:41] <valdros> i have wine, but i'll admit i'm a n00b at linux.
[23:42] <leeping2008> Hey there, I'm trying to install xmms using dpkg, but I get the error message "Package libglib1.2 is not installed.".  However, I know for a fact that it IS installed.  Can someone help me out?
[23:42] <webfarmer> there's no one in the komodo channels
[23:42] <webfarmer> and the forums are too slow
[23:42] <mich54> glitsj16, it's a server edition , i believe that synaptic is GUI , right ?
[23:42] <glitsj16> mich54: correct
[23:42] <unop> leeping2008, verify.  dpkg -l | grep libglib
[23:43] <webfarmer> has anyone here installed komodo before?
[23:43] <glitsj16> mich54: hang on, i'll check mine and report back with all related dovecot packages
[23:43] <mich54> glitsj16, thx a lot
[23:43] <leeping2008> libglib1.2-dbg, libglib1.2-dev, libglib1.2ldbl
[23:43] <leeping2008> unop, can I force the install if I wanted to?
[23:43] <unop> leeping2008, from what you have there libglib1.2 is not installed
[23:43] <glitsj16> mich54: dovecot-common, dovecot-dev, dovecot-imapd and dovecot-pop3d
[23:44] <unop> leeping2008, if you forced it, it wouldn't work properly
[23:44] <leeping2008> unop, I see.  From my experience, usually programs ask for the packages that end in "dev", but in this case ..
[23:44] <leeping2008> unop, okay, I'll see if I can find a .deb package for libglib1.2.  It isn't on the repository, afaik
[23:44] <The_Wolf> valdros i have not much time, what for a graphics card do you have?
[23:45] <unop> leeping2008, *-dev packages are not compiled libraries - they are just the headers you use for building stuff
[23:45] <mich54> glitsj16, i already tried everythin with common/imapd/pop3d
[23:45] <glitsj16> mich54: well i'm afraid i'm out of ideas here, sorry
[23:46] <leeping2008> unop, I see.  If I need libglib1.2 and it isn't on the repository, where can I find it?
[23:46] <infinite> hello everybody, i cant boot the ubuntu install cd.I keep gettinh this error : Buffer I/0 on device fd0, logical block 0
[23:46] <DataMatrix> can someone help me with a firefox problem?
[23:47] <The_Wolf> if you have 3d acceleration just download the newest steaminstaller msi from steampowered.com, then install wine: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine, then in the diretory where the msi file is type wine start SteamInstall.msi (or how its called) and the thing should run like in windows, perhaps a bit slower, but the game should ran fast
[23:47] <unop> leeping2008, you're right, libglib1.2 isn't in the repos.  I believe it's because it has been phased out (as is xmms) .. you could grab it off of http://packages.ubuntu.com but i wouldn't recommend it
[23:47] <mich54> glitsj16, well ... i tried "apt-get install dovecot-dev" knowing that it'll end up with the same errors ,and it did , but the weird thing is that "apt-get remove ...." is now working !
[23:48] <glitsj16> mich54: progress heh :)
[23:48] <whileimhere> Hi. I have two computers at home. I would like to be able to allow one computer to see the other so that I can control the contents of any folder on that system. Specifically I would like to use my laptop to control the contents of my P3 Desktop that I use just as a mp3 station. Can someone tell me is this possible and where do I start looking into it?
[23:48] <tilgovi> not that I think it much matters, but what are the permissions supposed to be for /lib/firmware? I accidentally deleted mine...
[23:48] <leeping2008> unop, I really liked xmms.  vlc has these intermittent popping noises, which I think is an issue with the player, I'd like to try xmms (which is what I used when I had dapper...)
[23:48] <tilgovi> someone just read me the line from ls -l or something
[23:49] <mich54> glitsj16, do i only need dovecot to run a mail server ? i mean i can install other services now , and then install it later or there's something else that depends on it ?
[23:49] <unop> leeping2008, xmms is no longer supported by debian/ubuntu anymore
[23:49] <DataMatrix> tilgovi: drwxr-xr-x  4 root root 4.0K 2008-07-08 00:40 firmware
[23:49] <tilgovi> DataMatrix, thanks
[23:49] <DataMatrix> tilgovi: 0755
[23:49] <slamFIST> whileimhere: samba?
[23:50] <whileimhere> Samba? Is that what I should read about?
[23:50] <leeping2008> unop, darn .. I guess I won't be getting any support in my quest then :)
[23:50] <glitsj16> mich54: as far as i know no other packages depend on dovecot no, but to be honest that's because i'm not familiar with dovecot
[23:51] <slamFIST> yes samba is what you're looking fo
[23:51] <slamFIST> for*
[23:51] <Wipster> hey all, I have a problem trying to print pictures I have set my custom page size but as all of my pictures are taken at a different aspect ratio it leaves white lines down the sides, is there a way to get the image to snap to the outside?
[23:51] <zvacet> !samba | whileimhere
[23:51] <unop> leeping2008, you might like aqualung .. it's somewhat like xmms
[23:51] <mich54> glitsj16 , well thanks a lot dude , u've been a wonderful help :)
[23:52] <glitsj16> mich54: very welcome, gdluck with the server :)
[23:52] <slamFIST> leeping2008: im using audacious
[23:53] <leeping2008> thanks for the advice :) Alternatives to xmms would be just as good as xmms itself... I wasn't too emotionally attached
[23:53] <Szadowek>  Guys can You help me?:-( I got a problem with my wireless. I'm trying to run it in ad-hoc mode. In routing mode i seem to be connected but i dont have internet connection and i cant ping serwer despite the linux(client) and windows(servers) shows connection in tray. Windows-windows connection work without problems:( I am using ndiswrapper. Help me i really want to run that network with linux.When i try to configure it in manual way, (writ
[23:53] <woli> how do i 'pause' or 'press any key to continue' in the terminal?
[23:54] <slamFIST> leeping2008: what was your reason to find something else?
[23:54] <leeping2008> slamFIST, xmms depends on libglib1.2, and Hardy doesn't have that package.
[23:55] <slamFIST> ooh
[23:55] <slamFIST> not supported, right
[23:55] <slamFIST> use audacious.. which is a fork of beep... which was a fork of xmms
[23:55] <woli> nobody knows?
[23:55] <slamFIST> they look the same.
[23:55] <leeping2008> haha, thanks :) audacious does look like xmms .. thanks.
[23:55] <slamFIST> no worries dewd
[23:56] <ev0luti0nXtinct> Have a question... For some reason its not letting me share a folder. says i do not have root permission in the Gnome GUI
[23:56] <koshari> anyone know how hotswap sata?
[23:56] <MindVirus> Will Google Chrome be in any repo any time soon? Also, what GUI toolkit does it use?
[23:57] <angusthefuzz> koshari: do your drives/sata controller support this behavior?
[23:57] <slamFIST> ev0luti0nXtinct: use gksudo nautils
[23:57] <Pici> MindVirus: Seeing how theres no version for linux right now, not for a while
[23:57] <MindVirus> Pici, they have instructions for a build.
[23:57] <koshari> angusthefuzz it would appear not, however i beleive you can use scsiadd?
[23:58] <MindVirus> Pici, and do you know the answer to the second question?
[23:58] <rezer21> Is anyone here good with "testdisk"? I can't get it to let me label a partition as "extended"--it only lets me use deleted, primary, or bootable.
[23:58] <angusthefuzz> koshari: sorry, i am not familiar with that
[23:58] <ev0luti0nXtinct> hmm
[23:58] <ev0luti0nXtinct> ok
[23:58] <ev0luti0nXtinct> let me try
[23:59] <debCarlos> Hi, got a problem here. When i press ctrl+alt the current window closes, is there anyway to disable this? Any command? I have already checked in preferences->keyboard shortcuts...
[23:59] <Pici> MindVirus: And the build doesnt build or work. And no, we generally don't add new packages to the repositories after a release is made.
[23:59] <ev0luti0nXtinct> I get back an error of: 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error permission denied, you do not have permission to create a usershare
[23:59] <webfarmer> /home/webfarmer/opt/Komodo-IDE-4.4.1/bin/../lib/mozilla/komodo-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


[03:32] <AndChat|272729> I know this isn't the support channel but when I boot into 15.04  it loads me into the grub command line thing
[03:32] <AndChat|272729> Sorry but for some reason my nickname changed from captonjamason
[14:24] <elopio_> brendand_: you can do it, but it doesn't look nice.
[14:24] <elopio_> it's something like Eventually(Equals(10)).match()
[14:25] <elopio_> you need to put somewhere the first argument, maybe it's inside the match? I can't get that syntax write without looking at the code.
[15:26] <elopio_> vila: so the webbrowser branch is ready to land, right?
[15:26] <elopio_> or do you want to iterate on it a little more?
[15:30] <vila> elopio_: it should be ready
[15:31] <elopio_> oSoMoN: lets talk about https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/webbrowser-app/autopkgtest/+merge/256858 when you have some time.
[15:31] <oSoMoN> elopio_, sure, but not now
[15:31] <oSoMoN> elopio_, please ping me again tomorrow
[15:31] <elopio_> oSoMoN: ack.
[15:37] <elopio_> rhuddie: is it ok if I join you on the card to investigate the install app failure?
[15:37] <rhuddie> elopio_, that would be excellent
[15:38] <rhuddie> elopio_, I just saw your note about same issue on krillin. it is easy to reproduce on emulator.
[15:39] <elopio_> I just saw it once on krillin, in like 30 runs. I have the emulator ready now.
[15:39] <elopio_> rhuddie: thanks for the document about setting it up. We should probably move that info to the wiki.
[15:40] <rhuddie> elopio_, it seems to be an issue with signon dialog process
[15:41] <rhuddie> elopio_, but at least we know that if you have seen the same issue on krillin, then it is not just some weird emulator problem
[15:42] <elopio_> rhuddie: well, if you have it every time on the emulator, then something there is worst.
[16:57] <balloons> elfy, knome re: xubuntu, lol, I noticed EVERYTHING that was new in 4.12. I didn't realize it was all brand new :-) http://www.xfce.org/about/tour
[17:03] <elfy> oh yea - all new and shiny :p
[18:23]  * bip Hello
[18:27] <balloons> hello bip
[18:27] <balloons> come stai?
[18:28] <bip> Hello balloons ;-) Tutto ok
[18:29] <bip> balloons: and you? How are you? :)
[18:30] <balloons> bip, busy busy! it's UOS time, and we're going sessions at the moment
[18:30] <bip> balloons: UOS time? Whats is?
[18:30] <balloons> here's the sessions today: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/2015-05-06/
[18:31] <bip> balloons: its' wonderful
[18:31] <bip> balloons: where are you from?
[18:33] <balloons> bip, the US; I'm in Florid
[18:33] <balloons> *Florida
[18:35] <balloons> bip, anyways, UOS is Ubuntu Online Summit. It's an online conference and get together for everyone in the community to talk about ubuntu
[18:36] <balloons> we're talking about lots of different things across several tracks..
[19:02] <Letozaf_> hey balloons when you got time I fixed mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-docviewer-app/test-toc/+merge/258082 I also left a reply on one of your comments
[19:04] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh, sure, let me have a look
[19:07] <balloons> Letozaf_, some more thoughts. I'm confused about that while loop
[19:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will take a look thanks
[19:43] <balloons> Letozaf_, so why do you need that while loop?
[19:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, the first or the second or both ?
[19:44] <balloons> Letozaf_, line 215; +            while (index <= list_items_count):
[19:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have to find the chapter in the TOC, so to find it I read all the items one by one
[19:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, and that list_items_count is the number of items in the TOC
[19:46] <balloons> Letozaf_, but aren't you already stepping through the items inside the for loop?
[19:47]  * Letozaf_ is recaping
[19:48] <Letozaf_> balloons, looks like I put it there initially for a purpose and now it's useless, I got the point
[19:48] <balloons> Letozaf_, :-) Ok, just wanted to make sure I'm not crazy ,heh
[19:49] <balloons> have to be careful with loops where you don't change the control variables
[19:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, nooo you're never crazy, maybe I could be lol
[19:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes you are right, think I got misled by something
[19:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, I fixed it, think I got misled inserting Stefano's suggestions into mine without checking well first
[19:59] <balloons> cool
[20:00] <Letozaf_> :)
[21:32] <bip> Hello!
[22:19] <elopio_> veebers: can you please look here when you have some time? https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/webbrowser-app/fix_base_class/+merge/256519/comments/644908
[22:20] <elopio_> the only way to keep it working for every individual tests is to add some unused imports.
[22:20]  * veebers looks
[22:22] <veebers> elopio_: hmm, I wonder if the new (unreleased) autopilot fixes this. I'll take a look in a little bit and comment on the MP.
[22:23] <elopio_> veebers: I think not. The problem is that the Browser object is not in the registry.
[22:23] <elopio_> I think I can fix it by moving it from webbrowser_app.emulators to webbrowser_app. Every test needs to import the top name space.
[22:24] <elopio_> it's just a patch though.
[22:25] <elopio_> with the new autopilot we will be able to pass Browser as the base argument when launching, forcing the import. But that also feels wrong because it's not the base of the inheritance hierarchy.
[22:31] <elopio_> veebers: yes, it works puttin in the top namespace.
[22:32] <elopio_> maybe it's not so bad. Maybe the webbrowser_app namespace should declare __all__, and we put the app cpo in there.
[22:50] <veebers> elopio_: hmm, ok. I feel that there should be a better solution that doesn't put the work on the author
[22:53] <elopio_> veebers: I think it's good to tell the author to be explicit about what he wants. Here we have the problem that the registry is implicit and the author has no way to know what's getting in there.
[22:53] <elopio_> if we call the argument in launch something like: application_custom_proxy_object=WebbrowserApp, it's explicit and clear what we want.
[22:54] <elopio_> it makes the registry unnecessary too.
[22:55] <veebers> elopio_: I don't think it makes the registry unnecessary, but it does cleanup how authors get the right thing entered into it when they need.
[22:56] <elopio_> veebers: there's still the case where you launch the app from somewhere else.
[22:56] <elopio_> like when you open the browser from the launcher, the only way to get the right cpo is to do the unused import.
[22:56] <veebers> hmmm
[23:00] <veebers> elopio_: so coming back to your first answer, that it's not in the reg. Is it that it's not in the registry at all or that it's not being applied to the proxy object bases?
[23:01] <elopio_> veebers: it's not in the registry at all. The single test is never hitting the definition of class WebbrowserApp.
[23:03] <veebers> hmmm
[23:13] <veebers> elopio_: oh, FYI we've upgraded the warning in autopilot about the CPO not being base to an error
[23:13] <veebers> This was after working with the addressbook tests
[23:15] <elopio_> veebers: I saw that. Works for me.
[23:19] <veebers> elopio_: what do you think of adding a function like 'register_application_cpo' that makes sure that it's in the registry
[23:20] <veebers> or perhaps a decorator for application CPO classes
[23:20] <veebers> That's really more of a quickfix/bandaid as it doesn't change the behaviour really, but smooths it over a litle
[23:22] <elopio_> veebers: a decorator will still need somebody to import or instantiate that class.
[23:22] <elopio_> register_application_cpo sounds weird but explicit, so that's better in my opinion.
[23:22] <elopio_> I'm thinking of making a lauch class method in the application cpo class.
[23:23] <elopio_> if that's the recommended way of launching it, we will be sure that it is explicitly imported and the registry is an implementation detail the test won't care about.
[23:24] <elopio_> that would leave only the case for when the app is launched externally, which we could solve with something like register_application_cpo.
[23:24] <elopio_> this sounds like another topic to discuss during the sprint with the whole team.
[23:26] <veebers> elopio_: as long as we still have time for it on the sprint :-) I think we have _heaps_ to discuss (which is good, as long as we get through it).
[23:26] <veebers> elopio_:  the intention of the decorator would be to explicity put it in the registry
[23:27] <veebers> (much like what register_app_cpo would do
[23:27] <elopio_> veebers: but when is the decorator executed?
[23:27] <elopio_> when the class is instantiated?
[23:27] <veebers> elopio_: on a class? I'm not to sure, it was an idea that I hadn't thought through to implementation :L-)
[23:27] <elopio_> :)