[02:19] <exobuzz> 2:20am morning to all
[02:21] <Azelphur> morning :p
[02:27] <exobuzz> <dangerous political content not suited for channel>the recent media hype over the danger of the leak with vital places for security is interesting. the way it has been mentioned that it could help terrorists. a terrorist would never guess an oil/gas pipeline is important .. nor would they think to use a search engine which would give more information than the leak itself... </this isnt real xml. so i dont care>
[02:28] <exobuzz> sorry.. i just felt like unloading that.. .. im finished now
[02:28] <exobuzz> buffer mpty
[02:28] <exobuzz> ^e somewhere.
[02:30] <exobuzz> i probably broke some terms of service, but then i did plan to stick ubuntu in the above rhetoric  somwhere, and then forgot
[02:31] <exobuzz> in other news.. ubuntu users are happy and ubuntu is working (excluding netbook users who tried to use unity) :)
[06:37] <kaushal> hi
[06:37] <kaushal> Good Morning Everyone
[06:38] <kaushal> How do i know my underlying hardware is 32 or 64 Bit ?
[06:38] <kaushal> is it known via dmidecode ?
[07:19] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:19] <AlanBell> kaushal: it is in /proc/cpuinfo
[07:20] <AlanBell> have a look at the flags, if they contain LM then you should be 64 bit capable
[07:26] <kaushal> AlanBell: Thanks
[07:27] <kaushal> much appreciated
[08:31] <nperry> morning  o/
[08:38] <selinuxium> morning o./
[08:38] <selinuxium> o/
[08:39] <selinuxium> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1-Q_8EbB8A
[08:52] <Flashtek> kaushal: grep lm /proc/cpuinfo
[09:00] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:00] <BigRedS> Goooood Morning!
[09:00] <screen-x> \o BigRedS
[09:01]  * screen-x is a temporary member of the work-at-home club
[09:01]  * BigRedS waves a mildly frosty hand
[09:01] <BigRedS> Ah, I did that last week. It was wonderful!
[09:01] <screen-x> That depends on how well NX holds up for me..
[09:05]  * screen-x experiments: does killing gdm, kill an nx session..?
[09:07] <hoover> good mornin
[09:07] <screen-x> mornin hoover :)
[09:10] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:18] <daubers> Morning
[09:18] <screen-x> ipmi is awesome :)
[09:18] <screen-x> and hi daubers
[09:19] <daubers> screen-x: heh, literally just using IPMI to fix someones box
[09:24] <hoover> hello screen-x
[09:26] <nperry> curl http://ryanak.ca/files/holiday-motd
[09:35] <popey> morning all
[09:36] <hoover> mornin popey
[09:37] <nperry> morning mr popey
[09:41] <AlanBell> what is impi?
[09:42] <daubers> AlanBell: Pure win!
[09:42] <nperry> imperial pie :/
[09:42] <AlanBell> http://www.canonical.com/news/impilinux
[09:42] <screen-x> AlanBell: inteligent platform management interface
[09:42] <daubers> AlanBell: IPMI
[09:43] <BigRedS> AlanBell: not that
[09:43]  * BigRedS is late to the party, clearly
[09:43] <screen-x> AlanBell: its a spec for secondary CPUs that can be used for out of band management.
[09:45] <dwatkins> I thought AlanBell meant IPMI at first, then re-read the original line...
[09:46] <dwatkins> IPMI is really useful for accessing systems on their serial port, remote rebooting etc.
[09:46]  * AlanBell misread it
[09:46] <daubers> dwatkins: Or for using as a remote kvm :)
[09:46] <AlanBell> so basically a built in remote kvm
[09:47] <dwatkins> Not all IPMI interfaces will do forwarding of the graphical output of the display, but yes, that is very handy too.
[09:47] <screen-x> with power control
[09:47] <screen-x> and remote virtual media
[09:47] <dwatkins> The Intel ones tend to just allow serial with ipmitool, whereas the SuperMicro ones have a web-interface with a java console applet, and you can even mount an ISO as if it were a CD or USB device you'd attached
[09:48] <dwatkins> I don't know about other manufacturers, though.
[09:48] <AlanBell> I remember having a serial port one on an HP box a long time ago, was quite cool, but not very practical, if you were standing within serial port distance then you could do whatever you needed anyway
[09:48] <dwatkins> I used to support SGI systems which use those two in their clusters.
[09:49] <dwatkins> AlanBell: we also used to sometimes have a laptop or other PC with a serial connection to the server, so you could ssh to the laptop and do stuff via serial on the bigger machine
[09:49] <AlanBell> dwatkins: this was back when laptops were *very* expensive!
[09:49] <directhex> there are a lot of terrible ipmi implementations though
[09:49] <directhex> the chip on sunfire x2200 m2's is awful
[09:50] <dwatkins> AlanBell: ah right, those were probably the days you could buy a 'L3 controller' - a separate PC to control your cluster/mainframe from
[09:50] <dwatkins> I suspect I should be glad I never encountered it, directhex
[09:51] <directhex> dwatkins: ipmi chip stops listening to any commands until power cycled about 1 time in 4 when issuing power commands to the chassis
[09:51] <directhex> as in "ipmi chip is power cycled"
[09:51] <directhex> as in "unplug server, wait, plug in server"
[09:55] <dwatkins> directhex: upgrade its firmware
[09:55] <dwatkins> directhex: I saw a lot of that sort of problem with these systems, often it was a bug in the BMC firmware; check the version with ipmitool, chances are there's a newer release
[09:59] <bigcalm> Hidyho!
[09:59] <hoover> hey biggie
[10:00] <bigcalm> Sup, hoovie?
[10:07] <hoover> not much mate, yourself?
[10:07] <hoover> Machines, servers and PC's seem to break at the touch of my fingers at the moment
[10:07] <hoover> sometimes even a remote ssh login seems enough ;-)
[10:07] <Flashtek> hoover: don't touch then
[10:07] <hoover> easier sad then done when you're an IT engineer ;-)
[10:08] <Flashtek> take a day off
[10:08] <Flashtek> hide in the loo
[10:08] <hoover> a day probably won't suffice... I'm feeling more like in the three-months rage
[10:08] <hoover> range even
[10:08] <hoover> just the right time for the annual performance review today 8(
[10:08] <Flashtek> need someone with a fixing aura to visit ?
[10:08]  * BigRedS imagines a three-month rage
[10:08] <BigRedS> not pretty
[10:09] <Flashtek> lol
[10:09] <hoover> certainly not... I cannot even type anymore it seems
[10:12] <screen-x> hoover: you'll be ok, just don't leave r00t terminals lying around..
[10:18] <dwatkins> I like that Fife Council have a list of currently open schools, as opposed to ones which are closed - it's probably shorter.
[10:21] <hoover> hehe
[10:22] <hoover> Scotland snowed in ATM?
[10:22] <dwatkins> hoover: it's more "iced-in" here in Edinburgh
[10:22] <dwatkins> http://rowla.dyndns.org/gallery/v/blog/ice.jpg.html is a picture of a metre-high pile of ice I had to dig out from in front of my car to be able to move it this morning, for example
[10:25] <hoover> nice
[10:25] <hoover> not quite as bad here in .de
[10:26] <dwatkins> I imagine it's warmed-up a little now, it was -9 C this morning.
[10:26] <hoover> although the north has been hit rather hard by snow
[10:27] <AlanBell> http://rowla.dyndns.org/gallery/v/blog/P1000268.jpg.html
[10:27] <bigcalm> I think that mainland europe know how to deal with seasonal weather
[10:27] <bigcalm> That's the difference, we only know about rain
[10:27] <bigcalm> AlanBell: mega cute
[10:28] <dwatkins> AlanBell: http://rowla.dyndns.org/blog/2010/06/27/best-penguin-ever/
[10:28] <AlanBell> http://rowla.dyndns.org/gallery/v/blog/IMG_3049.html oh my
[10:28] <bigcalm> Oh gawd
[10:28] <bigcalm> WHo is that?
[10:28] <dwatkins> AlanBell: yeah, a friend of mine whose nickname is "Beerman"
[10:29] <bigcalm> Damn, I wanted to point and laugh
[10:29] <dwatkins> It's not me, no.
[10:30] <Flashtek> thats cool..
[10:36] <nperry> Really wish the Nexus S was a dual core cpu :(
[10:37] <bigcalm> Same cpu as the One but more ram. Quite a dissapointment
[10:37] <nperry> Not really an upgrade in my mind.
[10:38] <popey> dunno, that ram comes in handy for 2.2
[10:39]  * MartijnVdS waits for 2.3 on the Nexus One to decide if he wants the Nexus S
[10:39] <bigcalm> The tracker ball on the N1 is very handy for presicision text editing, why don't more phones have one?
[10:39] <screen-x> because they get knackered in pockets
[10:40] <bigcalm> I can see that happening without a cover. I keep mine in the neoprean pouch
[10:40] <screen-x> sensible
[10:40] <bigcalm> Wish it came with the Wildfire that I gave to my GF
[10:40]  * popey does precision editing with his finger
[10:41] <bigcalm> Some of us have banana fingers
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: not mine..
[10:41] <popey> http://twitpic.com/photos/popey  does that work for any of you?
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> Waiting for twitpic.com....
[10:41] <bigcalm> I see popey
[10:41] <Flashtek> waiting for twitpic.com
[10:42] <screen-x> popey: nope
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> ah it works now
[10:42] <bigcalm> popey: wfm
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> "Photos from popey" + your face
[10:42] <bigcalm> Just slow to respond
[10:42] <bigcalm> Which I blame VirginMedia
[10:42] <screen-x> "There was an error loading this page, please try again."
[10:42] <Flashtek> yup, wfm now
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> so.. why aren't you all out storming the place where Assange is being held? ;)
[10:42] <popey> yeah, I'm getting all kinds of errors
[10:42] <Flashtek> popey: refresh
[10:42] <popey> MartijnVdS: we're british
[10:42] <popey> we don't storm
[10:42] <Flashtek> http://www.flickr.com/photos/flashtek-uk/
[10:43] <popey> Flashtek: I know how to operate a browser, thanks :)
[10:43] <Flashtek> popey: ;-)
[10:43] <nigelb> popey: so, what do you do instead of storm? ;)
[10:43] <AlanBell> we tut dissapprovingly
[10:43] <popey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/flashtek-uk/5240316743/ awwwwwww
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> drink some more tea
[10:43] <popey> nigelb: we tut
[10:43] <AlanBell> whilst drinking tea
[10:43] <nigelb> lol
[10:43] <popey> also.. paddington hard stares
[10:43] <bigcalm> Awwwww
[10:43] <AlanBell> PBHS!
[10:44] <Flashtek> you like that ?
[10:44] <popey> I like cats :)
[10:44] <bigcalm> <3 cats
[10:44] <davmor2> morning all
[10:44] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:44] <Flashtek> bigcalm: there are more photos
[10:44]  * nigelb sneezes.
[10:44] <bigcalm> \o/
[10:44]  * davmor2 I like big cats
[10:44] <nigelb> Too many cat lovers here :p
[10:44] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Also, rape is a serious crime, so he should stand trial (even if he is innocent, in which case he has nothing to hide really does he?)
[10:44] <bigcalm> daubers: I think the rape charge was dropped
[10:45] <bigcalm> Sex without a condom
[10:45] <AlanBell> this is somewhat offtopic
[10:45] <bigcalm> Just a little
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> yes, it is. sorry about that.
[10:45] <bigcalm> Back to cats!
[10:45] <AlanBell> !politics though
[10:45] <Flashtek> what, where did that come from ?
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: !wikileaks? )
[10:45] <AlanBell> !politics
[10:45] <Flashtek> !cats
[10:45] <AlanBell> yeah, there is #wikileaks
[10:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: popey: http://picasaweb.google.com/davmor2/TigerTrip2010#5479982494408818594
[10:46] <bigcalm> cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp
[10:46] <bigcalm> Catting is fun
[10:46] <Flashtek> big kitty
[10:46] <bigcalm> Mew
[10:47] <Flashtek> that's such a fake.. it's ben photoshopped you can tell.. the shadows are all wrong..
[10:47] <Flashtek> ;-)
[10:47] <popey> :)
[10:47] <screen-x> hmm he doesn't looked best pleased
[10:47] <Flashtek> far from gruntled
[10:48] <Flashtek> screen-x: probably find someone took his fristies away
[10:48] <Flashtek> *frosties
[10:48] <screen-x> nooo! must have have cereals
[10:48] <popey> bah
[10:48] <popey> i am about to eat my lunch
[10:48] <screen-x> popey: you can make it till 12
[10:48]  * popey just has chocolate
[10:49] <czajkowski> popey: no marmite...
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: just tell people you're on CET
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> it's almost lunch time here :)
[10:49] <davmor2> http://picasaweb.google.com/davmor2/TigerTrip2010#5479985077104213714 this is my favourite though he's a gentle giant unless he has some food.   Really clear today
[11:01] <screen-x> whats tcp/555 dsf?
[11:01] <Flashtek> freeciv		5556/tcp	rptp		# Freeciv gameplay
[11:01] <Flashtek> freeciv		5556/udp
[11:01] <Flashtek> rplay		5555/udp			# RPlay audio service
[11:02] <Flashtek> screen-x: thats all i have..
[11:02] <popey> screen-x: printing
[11:02] <Flashtek> popey: on 555 ?
[11:02] <popey> yes
[11:03] <screen-x> ah ok, thanks.
[11:04]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski for not taking part in the kittylove
[11:13]  * Flashtek strokes his wifes kitteh
[11:16] <bigcalm> !ohmy
[11:16] <bigcalm> :)
[11:17] <Flashtek> what ?
[11:17] <Flashtek> I said kitteh
[11:17] <Flashtek> it's on topic
[11:18] <AlanBell> it is
[11:18] <Flashtek> thats fowl..
[11:18] <screen-x> hahahha
[11:18] <bigcalm> Bah!
[11:19] <screen-x> astronomy?
[11:19] <Flashtek> yay, generic love
[11:19] <popey> \o/
[11:19] <bigcalm> Wild love?
[11:19] <Flashtek> or asterisk
[11:20] <nigelb> no no
[11:20] <nigelb> that's wrong
[11:20] <nigelb> it should be ^(.*)Love$
[11:20] <czajkowski> this channel gets stranger and stranger
[11:20] <nigelb> all inclusive love :p
[11:20] <Flashtek> indeed
[11:20] <screen-x> nigelb: who said it was a regex rather than a glob?
[11:21] <nigelb> screen-x: regex makes it geekier :p
[11:21] <bigcalm> Great big globs of love
[11:21] <screen-x> though if its a glob, the ! will have strange effects
[11:21] <bigcalm> czajkowski: isn't it lovely?
[11:21] <nigelb> heh
[11:24] <bigcalm> Anybody here recomend qnap for some simple nas? I need to provide off-site backup for my parents
[11:31]  * popey hugs edge10
[11:38] <popey> that was a recommendation for bigcalm btw :)
[11:39]  * bigcalm googles
[11:39] <diplo> popey, they don't have ethernet by the looks of things, so basically just a large storage device and that's it ?
[11:39] <Flashtek> bigcalm: how much data ?
[11:39] <bigcalm> 1tb will be more than enough for them
[11:40] <Flashtek> get the same router I have, it has a USB slot on the back for storage arrays
[11:40] <bigcalm> I'm thinking of a device with 2 bays so it can either be a raid or extended later
[11:40] <diplo> I suppose I could connect one to my miniitx box
[11:42] <Flashtek> bigcalm: usb hub..
[11:42] <Flashtek> umm.. my kitten likes marmite
[11:42] <bigcalm> I've had problems with USB drives not reconnecting correctly after a power outage, or just randomly dropping
[11:43] <screen-x> bigcalm: what are you going to use as a backup agent on your parent's machines?
[11:44] <bigcalm> Just downloaded the photos from my 350D and have actually shocked myself with the quality of some of the shots
[11:44] <bigcalm> screen-x: rsync
[11:44] <Flashtek> bigcalm: good or bad ?
[11:44] <bigcalm> Flashtek: good
[11:44] <Flashtek> bigcalm: might you want to use rolling backups ?
[11:44] <bigcalm> Possibly
[11:44] <Flashtek> as i've used rsiff-backup with great success before
[11:44] <Flashtek> *rdiff-backup
[11:45] <bigcalm> The main bulk of their data are photos
[11:45] <dwatkins> rsniff...? ;-)
[11:46] <bigcalm> Flashtek: that looks perfect. Thanks :)
[11:49]  * screen-x uses rsnapshot
[11:53] <Flashtek> bigcalm: n/p
[11:54]  * hoover uses bacula
[11:57]  * jpds uses rsync
[12:05] <bigcalm> So, that's the backup method sorted. Still need to decide upon a physical device now
[12:08] <bigcalm> This goes to show how much I've been able to take my camera out or bother to upload to flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/archives/date-posted/2010/12/07/
[12:09] <screen-x> bigcalm: pretty frost
[12:09] <bigcalm> Yep yep
[12:09] <screen-x> bigcalm: do you have always on machines at home? or do you need a NAS so that you don't have to leave a machine on..?
[12:10] <bigcalm> screen-x: I do have a machine on all the time. But I'd like for things to still work if that machine were to fail
[12:10] <bigcalm> But I guess that might cost more than its worth
[12:10] <popey> diplo: yes, they do
[12:10] <screen-x> It does increase the cost significantly
[12:10] <popey> diplo: depends which model you get
[12:11] <bigcalm> Aha! I have a viglen doing bugger all atm
[12:11] <Flashtek> i was thinking a service like dropbox might do the job..
[12:11] <bigcalm> Could set that up in the office again and hook some storage up to it
[12:11] <bigcalm> Flashtek: slow and limiting
[12:11] <screen-x> bigcalm: swirlly pebbles make my head hurt
[12:11] <bigcalm> screen-x: :D
[12:13] <bigcalm> screen-x: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/203335702/in/set-72057594070877691/
[12:14] <screen-x> bigcalm: should do that with a tripod :)
[12:14] <bigcalm> screen-x: na, it's more fun to make yourself dizzy ;)
[12:15] <bigcalm> It's more organic like this
[12:15] <daubers> bah, why can't shotwell filter by filetype :(
[12:15] <davmor2> daubers: file a bug so it can in the next release
[12:17] <daubers> davmor2: If I have a chance later on I'll fix it
[12:26] <popey> \o/ jabber
[12:26] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[12:44] <BigRedS> There's nothing pecular about dual booting windows 7 with Linux is there? As compared with, say, XP. I recall stories of weirdness when Vista came out..
[12:45] <Flashtek> nope
[12:45] <bigcalm> BigRedS: I have win7 and ubuntu on my laptop. No problems at all
[12:45] <Flashtek> WFM
[12:45] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: just install linux first iirc
[12:45] <bigcalm> Otherway around
[12:45] <dogmatic69> ha
[12:45]  * bigcalm tuts :P
[12:46] <dogmatic69> i know one makes your life hell :/
[12:46] <bigcalm> Grub will see windows and add it to the boot loading screen
[12:48] <Flashtek> as opposed to windows seeing grub and telling it to sod off
[12:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> yum - oxtail soup.
[12:49] <Flashtek> nice
[12:58] <peter_> can someone tell me how to make wine recognise i have a disk in the drive?
[13:13] <screen-x> wow! I just winged at transtec about a faulty server, they have dispatched replacement parts for everything in the machine, and organised for an engineer to come tomorrow. We don't even have a maintenance contract with them.
[13:17] <Flashtek> sweet
[13:21] <nperry> If my face is tiggling, do you think its time to turn the convector heater off? Which is pointing directly at my face
[13:22] <screen-x> nperry: or point it away from your face?
[13:22] <nperry> Then I'd be cold again, plus the big warehouse door is open.
[13:23] <nperry> So i need it pointing to my face else I wont feel hot
[13:23] <screen-x> point it at you from further away? or turn it down?
[13:24] <screen-x> put a fine mesh between the fan and your face, to act as a diffuser..
[13:25] <nperry> Its either on or off on this thing.
[13:36] <dwatkins> nperry: how about putting on an extra layer of clothing?
[13:36] <daubers> nperry: Or close the door?
[13:37] <dwatkins> that's far to simple a solution, daubers ;-)
[13:37] <dwatkins> *too
[13:40] <daubers> dwatkins: Some kind of arduino based thermostat that opens the doors when it's too hot and turns on the heater and closes the door when too cold?
[13:40]  * screen-x spies a security risk
[13:42] <daubers> Ooooh... Tron soundtrack is out
[13:42] <daubers> and only £5 on U1
[13:42]  * daubers downloads
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I recommend Last.fm "mix radio" for hackathon music :)
[13:44] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: similar artists akufen has been expanding my mind a little recently ;-)
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: good, good :)
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> minimal++
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: also try Plastikman
[13:46] <screen-x> ok :)
[13:53]  * daubers waits for U1 to download
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> daubers: plastikman? akufen? :)
[13:54] <screen-x> tron..
[13:54] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Tron Legacy soundtrack by Daft Punk :D
[13:57]  * daubers notes it's not actually downloaded anything yet...
[13:57] <blutack> Any python hackers in today?
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> daubers: try restarting your ubuntu one  daemons
[13:57] <AlanBell> !ask| blutack
[13:59]  * screen-x thinkgs that blugybe would be a great nick
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: why?
[14:00] <screen-x> because gybe is the opposite of tack.
[14:01] <blutack> Why is this happening? https://gist.github.com/731804
[14:01] <blutack> bluduck
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> Blut-Ack -- it's German
[14:02] <blutack> Is it?
[14:02] <screen-x> haha
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> Blut, German for "blood"
[14:02] <screen-x> blutack: what do you expect to happen?
[14:03] <blutack> No output for values less than 0.1?
[14:03] <blutack> Have I done something totally stupid?
[14:03] <screen-x> int(d) ?
[14:03] <daubers> blutack: Your testing a string against a float which may cause an issue
[14:03] <daubers> screen-x: i'd hav gone for float(d) :) as they're <1
[14:03] <screen-x> ah yes
[14:04] <blutack> Ah-ha
[14:04] <blutack> Forgot I switched to the csv reader, which doesn't cast
[14:04] <blutack> Thanks guys!
[14:05] <daubers> :(
[14:05] <screen-x> sup daubers?
[14:05]  * daubers prods U1 some more
[14:05] <screen-x> ah
[14:06] <daubers> woot, got one file
[14:06] <blutack> Thanks daubers: http://imgur.com/jfO30
[14:06] <screen-x> ooh wassat blutack?
[14:07] <blutack> LBM Unsteady Flow simulation - orange thing is a cylinder in the middle
[14:07] <daubers> blutack: pertty
[14:07] <blutack> Needed to cap the velocities above 0.1  to get the colour scaling right!
[14:18]  * screen-x appreciates that in chrom(e|ium) you can reload while viewing source.
[14:45] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: the new chromium in natty has a VERY nice trace/view source/etc. panel
[14:46] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: which version? I'm on 9.x
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: 8
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> 7 on maverick, 8 on natty
[15:59] <mlkaaa> hello there
[15:59] <mlkaaa> how to unistall plymouth ?
[16:01] <mlkaaa> anyone there
[16:01] <mlkaaa> ?
[16:01] <screen-x> yep, but can't answer your q unless its apt-get remove plymouth-stuff
[16:02] <mlkaaa> do you know the package ?
[16:03] <mlkaaa> plymouth
[16:03] <screen-x> !info plymouth
[16:04] <screen-x> looks about right, but won't take all its deps with it when removed.
[16:04] <mlkaaa> voila as it doing dirty things on my server, how to unistall plymouth ?
[16:05] <screen-x> plymouth gets installed on servers?
[16:05] <Phineas> exobuzz, do you remember yesterdays issue we discussed?
[16:05] <mlkaaa> no never by default i got that package
[16:06] <Phineas> i have returned
[16:06] <screen-x> mlkaaa: yeah, I meant its odd that the server images should include plymouth.
[16:07] <exobuzz> Phineas, which issue. the mystery cassette ?
[16:07] <Phineas> exobuzz,  yeah that one
[16:07] <mlkaaa> how to unistall plymouth ?
[16:07] <exobuzz> what was the issue again? :)
[16:08] <Phineas> exobuzz,  i don't know what it is for
[16:08] <screen-x> mlkaaa: http://staff.adams.edu/~cdmiller/posts/Ubuntu-Lucid-server-disable-plymouth/
[16:09] <Phineas> exobuzz,  all i know is that it is space invaders
[16:10] <mlkaaa> i don't want to disable, i just need to unistall
[16:10] <mlkaaa> is that possible ?
[16:11] <screen-x> mlkaaa: have you tried removing the packages?
[16:11] <Phineas> exobuzz,  but what is it for?
[16:11] <popey> Phineas: please stop trolling
[16:12] <Phineas> popey,  seriosly i don't know what the tape is for
[16:12] <popey> Phineas: seriously stop trolling
[16:12] <Phineas> popey,  i just asking a question
[16:12] <mlkaaa> how ? screen-x
[16:25] <screen-x> mmmm time to do an online LV expand, will it be simple, or will it b0rk everything...?
[16:26] <daubers> screen-x: They tend to be simple :)
[16:26] <daubers> screen-x: Whats the FS on it? XFS?
[16:26] <screen-x> ext3
[16:26] <screen-x> sometimes causes issues with nfsd
[16:26] <daubers> Can you online expand ext3?
[16:26] <screen-x> yep
[16:26] <daubers> Never knew that
[16:27] <screen-x> but you cant do online shrink.
[16:27] <screen-x> this box isnt running nfsd, so chances are good :)
[16:29]  * screen-x taps fingers
[16:34] <zertyi> hi all
[16:34] <zertyi> i got a central server with one IP, and i got 5 domains, what i want is that the 5 domains name display 5 different web pages and getting information from my server
[16:34] <zertyi> the server is running on ubuntu
[16:35] <zertyi> what are package i have to install ?
[16:35] <screen-x> zertyi: apache2 probably, read about apache virtual hosts.
[16:37] <screen-x> zertyi: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html
[16:39] <zertyi> why virtual hosts ?
[16:39] <screen-x> zertyi: because you want to point multiple domains at the same IP.
[16:42] <zertyi> fabulous
[16:42] <zertyi> so it is possible
[16:42] <screen-x> yep, gets complicated if you want to use ssl.
[16:44] <zertyi> no ssl
[16:44] <zertyi> thanks a lot screen-x
[16:58] <exobuzz> Phineas, the tape is for some old computer. unknown what. if you dont know what it is for, i wouldnt worry about it. just put it beack on th eshelf and forget about it :)
[16:58] <exobuzz> -typos
[16:58] <Phineas> exobuzz,  i just managed to load it on my old ibm :)
[17:00] <exobuzz> Phineas_, what ibm model ?
[17:01] <Phineas_> exobuzz,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer#PC
[17:03] <exobuzz> well. not quite the answer i was after. i was after 4860 or 5150 etc. anyway. not hard of many of those with cassettes. most people who had the money for an ibm surely got the disk configured model :)
[17:03] <exobuzz> heard
[17:04] <Phineas_> exobuzz,  mine was seccond hand
[17:06] <exobuzz> yeh, but i just meant the cassette configuration isn't common..
[17:06] <exobuzz> at least according to interwebs.
[17:07] <Phineas_> exobuzz, yeah
[17:09] <Phineas_> ow!
[17:21] <Phineas_> !ping
[17:21] <Phineas_> i'm back online, i will never do that again
[17:27] <screen-x> \o/ online resize finished successfully, with no known disasters resulting :)
[17:29] <Azelphur> exobuzz: the newer image of your unr works on my microsd card reader btw :D, so it must have been a size problem :)
[17:29] <exobuzz> nice
[17:30] <exobuzz> yeh. it seems 4gb for flash stuff doesnt mean 4gb. but something a little under 4gb
[17:30] <exobuzz> still some people have problems. one person seems to have a usb stick that is about 50mb less than 4gb.. :/
[17:30] <Azelphur> haha :/
[17:31] <exobuzz> i can just keep making the images smaller and smaller but i wonder if its old/damaged sticks with blocks marked bad ?
[17:31] <exobuzz> so they get smaller over time.
[17:32] <Azelphur> maybe
[17:44] <exobuzz> Azelphur, since unity doesnt work, i might do an update with the old netbook interface on this perhaps. i heard on ubuntu-uk that someone (I think popey) had done this, and it seems like a good idea. or else i just should make it a desktop edition image perhaps
[17:44] <popey> not i
[17:44] <popey> mark
[17:44] <exobuzz> aah k
[17:44] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:45] <exobuzz> ideally, id like to have every single joggler change, all managed from the ppa, with packages for all configs etc, and a single joggler meta package that i could update to include new packages. then i wouldnt need to make new images the whole time. but a lot of work to make all the debian packages
[17:46] <exobuzz> there is a not sure i can be ar*ed  issue with this.
[17:46] <popey> heh
[17:47] <popey> would indeed be nice
[17:47] <popey> what kinds of things need packaging?
[17:49] <exobuzz> default config changes for gnome stuff, the upstart script for the eth mac address, X11 config, other misc /etc/ configs , modprobe stuff, the kernel of course, some udev bits, some initramfs changes
[17:49] <exobuzz> etc
[17:50] <exobuzz> a lot of this could be in a single "joggler" package, of course..
[17:50] <popey> lots of little fiddly bits
[17:50] <popey> or a new distro!
[17:50] <popey> :)
[17:50] <popey> jogglbuntu
[17:50] <exobuzz> great idea.. when will you start on it? :-)
[17:51] <popey> when I finish my current distro idea :)
[17:51] <exobuzz> what are you working on ?
[17:51] <popey> it is but an idea
[17:51] <exobuzz> sure.. im interesting though to hear :)
[17:52] <popey> clubuntu
[17:52] <exobuzz> is that club - untu, or get a clu - buntu
[17:52] <exobuzz> :)
[17:52] <jacobw> ubuntu for cavemen?
[17:53] <exobuzz> heh
[17:53] <exobuzz> either popey is typing a long description, or hes just going to leave us guessing! :D
[17:53] <popey> :)
[17:54] <popey> command line ubuntu
[17:54] <exobuzz> aaah.
[17:54] <popey> so no gui whatsoever
[17:54] <popey> but lots of productive apps
[17:54] <jacobw> ah, that'd be awesome
[17:54] <exobuzz> for amiga ubuntu it would be clibuntu
[17:54] <jacobw> but isn't that what nubuntu was supposed to be?
[17:54] <popey> we did start on this about 3 years ago
[17:54] <Hornet> http://firefoxlive.mozilla.org
[17:54] <popey> never heard of nubuntu
[17:54] <exobuzz> popey, how would it differ from a base debian. just nicer default configs ?
[17:55] <popey> preinstalled stuff
[17:55] <exobuzz> and meta stuff including a better default set of tools
[17:55] <exobuzz> aah nice
[17:55] <popey> yeah
[17:55] <exobuzz> id be interested in something like that
[17:55] <popey> maybe even stuff like libmobileblah to manage music to iphone type devices
[17:55] <popey> pulse etc
[17:56] <exobuzz> the one thing that has got my goat about ubuntu server edition, has been the lack of support for mdadm. in the next release it will be the first time for 2 years ubuntu ships with an up to date mdadm package.. they forked debians. then let it rot :
[17:56] <exobuzz> :/
[17:56] <popey> :(
[17:56] <popey> thats sad
[17:56] <popey> i love mdadm
[17:57] <exobuzz> i was using my own build of mdadm for some time. i recently put it on a ppa https://launchpad.net/~jools/+archive/mdadm
[17:57] <exobuzz> but finally mdadm had some love from ubuntu, so should be sorted for natty
[17:59] <exobuzz> mdadm is great. software raid on linux is excellent these days. thanks to neil brown
[18:00] <exobuzz> recent kernels + mdadm had support for moving between various raid levels, so reshaping 1 to 5 to 6 etc. but a mismatched kernel and mdadm as has been the case in ubuntu, meant none of this could be used
[18:00]  * jpds hugs hardware RAID.
[18:00] <exobuzz> heh
[18:01]  * exobuzz likes the idea that hes not tied into a specific hardware raid vendor, and if his motherboard dies, he uses another one and raid still works
[18:02]  * BigRedS likes the fact it's the same tools on each machine, irrespective of the hardware
[18:02] <BigRedS> he says searching for a matching replacement hw raid card
[18:02] <exobuzz> heh
[18:03]  * exobuzz likes his home fileserver.. pic http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/File:Aerocool_server.jpg
[18:03] <exobuzz> very pleased with how it turned out.. including being quite cheap to build.
[18:07] <BigRedS> my home fileserver is a powermac G4
[18:07] <BigRedS> it's not very big, but it is shiny
[18:07] <exobuzz> hehe. shiny.. very important :)
[18:07] <BigRedS> and turquoise. It's just the right colour for fileserving
[18:07] <exobuzz> thats important too yeh
[18:07] <exobuzz> of course, my fileserver is just full of linux isos.. suprising how much the collection has built up over the years
[18:08] <BigRedS> Ah, I stopped keeping them when I realised I never really wanted old ones, and new ones are so quick to get
[18:08] <exobuzz> :)
[18:08] <BigRedS> and I rarely want particularly new ones, too. Generally I'll use a 50mb debian netinstall, or whatever the last ubuntu that came on a magazine was or something
[18:08] <popey> exobuzz: i want to implement drobo like features in my own ubuntu system
[18:09] <popey> reshaping from 1 to 5 to 6 _and_ back down again
[18:09] <exobuzz> i dumped all my dvds to it, so that i can have them on xbmc with box artwork and meta data.. people have called that lazy, but why get up from the sofa unless you need to!
[18:09] <popey> damn straight!
[18:09] <exobuzz> popey, drobo seems clever. is it only done on block level? i did read about it at some point.. mixed sized disks etc
[18:10] <popey> yeah
[18:10] <popey> its incredibly slow though
[18:10] <popey> looks like it uses reiserfs internally
[18:10] <popey> I yanked a brand new disk back out of a drobo and fiddled with it for a bit
[18:10] <exobuzz> what about a filesystem level raid. with a per file type parity thing. wonder if that would work
[18:11] <popey> thats similar to what windows home server does/did
[18:11] <exobuzz> reiserfs.. sounds like a killer filesystem.
[18:11] <BigRedS> that concept rings a very vague bell
[18:11] <popey> which they have withdrawn
[18:11] <popey> exobuzz: http://joke.popey.com/
[18:11] <BigRedS> ah, whs. that might be where the bell is
[18:11] <exobuzz> popey, sorry :)
[18:11] <exobuzz> heh
[18:13] <jpds> exobuzz: Well, btrfs should do that.
[18:13] <exobuzz> popey, you have a drobo then ?
[18:13] <popey> yes exobuzz
[18:13] <popey> jpds: btrfs lacks an fsck, which is kinda fundamental to me
[18:14] <popey> zfs looks interesting
[18:14] <exobuzz> jpds, eventually :-) .. ..
[18:14] <jpds> All good things take time.
[18:15] <exobuzz> btrfs seems to have sped up recently, but its very slow progress a lot of the time.
[18:15] <exobuzz> i like the whole idea of it though.
[18:15] <dutchie> popey: "an fsck"? you are missing all the fun of saying "fussck"
[18:16] <exobuzz> there is a btrfsck now, but its odd. i mean its decided not to use any of the same parameters as any other fsck.. so a pita to put root on it. (i had to patch btrfsck to ignore -a for example)
[18:16] <exobuzz> jools@travelmate /home/joggler/overlay $ btrfsck
[18:16] <exobuzz> usage: btrfsck dev
[18:16] <exobuzz> Btrfs Btrfs v0.19
[18:16] <exobuzz> seems a bit "incomplete"
[18:17] <exobuzz> and whether if it hits a problem in a btrfs, i have no idea if it can fix it..
[18:34] <moreati> Anybody using Natty in VirtualBox, is 2.6.37-8-virtual booting okay for you? Mine won't find the root partition, but only the -virtual kernel does it.
[18:49] <davmor2> moreati: I'm using it on my laptop seems fine let me double check for you
[18:50] <moreati> davmor2: in virtualbox, with the -virtual kernel?
[18:51] <davmor2> moreati: nope I'm just checking that it boots on real hw, to help rule out a faulty kernel, boot issue.  So this is just vm that is effected.
[18:52] <davmor2> moreati: booting up fine here on HW.
[18:54] <moreati> davmor2: ys, that's why I was specifically asking about -virtual the generic kernel is okay for me, I'm trying to tell whether I've done something wrong or there's a bug w VirtualBox/-virtual kernel
[18:54] <moreati> thanks for checking
[18:55] <Paul2> I have a laptop with a screen plugged in. I would like to be able to close the laptop lid and continue to use the external monitor
[18:56] <dogmatic69> change the power settings
[18:56] <Paul2> You would have thought this was a fairly common and easy thing to do, but system->preferences->power managerment doesnt have that option
[18:56] <dogmatic69> normally a laptop goes to suspend
[18:56] <Paul2> it's blank screen/suspend/hiubernet etc
[18:56] <dogmatic69> ive done it on mine, what version
[18:56] <Paul2> (it duel boots to windows and does it fine, so cant be hardware)
[18:57] <dogmatic69> there is three options, default, power, battery
[18:57] <Paul2> er yup all three are set to blank screen, but it balnks both screens :(
[18:59] <Paul2> using 10.04
[19:05] <Paul2> another problem: alt+keys in terminal switches terminal tabs, unticking these options in edit -> keyboard shortcuts... doesnt stop it doing that
[19:09] <moreati> Paul2: I just checked Gnome Terminal in Ubuntu 10.10. In Edit -> Keyboard Shortcuts I was able to delete the shortcut keys for Switch to Tab 1..10 (so it read Disabled next to each) and the Alt + <n> doesn't switch tabs.
[19:09] <moreati> Paul2 does your Dialog say 'Disabled' next to each 'Switch to Tab <n>'?
[19:10] <Paul2> how do you make it say disabled?
[19:10] <Paul2> new accelerator...
[19:10] <moreati> Yes, and then I pressed backspace
[19:10] <Paul2> ah was trying backspace
[19:11] <moreati> It's not a good UI to be honest
[19:11] <Paul2> ah thanks done
[19:11] <moreati> The screen blanking i can't help with I'm afraid
[19:13] <Paul2> mmm
[19:25] <nperry> google chrome web store, how long before apple makes there version and locks it down :/
[19:27] <Azelphur> does anyone know how to use ubuntu-bug to catch an X crash and the backtrace?
[19:32] <Azelphur> popey: maybe? ^
[19:33] <Paul2> http://www.wireshark.org/download.html#development_release no linux packages prebuilt for dev :(
[19:40] <popey> Azelphur: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing
[19:41] <Azelphur> except that page says nothing about ubuntu-bug :)
[19:42] <popey> you presume that you need to use ubuntu-bug
[19:42] <popey> (incorrectly)
[19:42] <Azelphur> popey: bryce harrington said use ubuntu-bug :)
[19:42]  * Azelphur tends to listen to him
[19:42] <popey> he probably meant apport-collect
[19:42] <popey> but hey ho, ignore me
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> /ignore popey all
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> OK :)
[19:42] <Azelphur> (23:08:10) bryceh: Azelphur, file it with ubuntu-bug.  If possible, repro the issue, reboot, and then file
[19:42] <Azelphur> popey: how do I do it with apport-collect?
[19:43] <popey> Azelphur: I'd direct you to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[19:43] <Azelphur> ty
[19:44] <popey> (linked from the xorg page I mentioned before)
[19:44] <Azelphur> popey: uhh, I don't think that's going to work. It's a GUI tool which will no doubt crash when X crashes :s
[19:45] <popey> "its a gui tool", what is "it"?
[19:45] <Azelphur> apport
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> no, apport isn't a gui tool :)
[19:45] <popey> *sigh*
[19:45] <popey> no, it isnt
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> it drops a file in some /var dir
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> then on restart/re-login you can upload the crash dump
[19:45] <popey> apport has lots of stuff in it
[19:45] <Azelphur> I see
[19:46] <popey> there's also lots of documentation on catching xorg failures on that page, whether bryce says "use ubuntu-bug" or not
[19:46] <Azelphur> so long story short, sudo service apport start force_start=1, reproduce crash, check /var/crash/ for the report
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: apport-the-gui-app does that by itself
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: or ubuntu-bug can use the data in /var/crash to create a new lp bug
[19:50] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: so after re-logging when X crashes it'll do it all itself?
[19:50] <Azelphur> cool
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> it'll prompt you about "found a crash dump"
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> OR you can use ubuntu-bug --something-or-other
[19:50] <Azelphur> fun :)
[19:57] <Azelphur> exobuzz: do you happen to know of a way to turn the cursor off btw?
[19:57] <Azelphur> that's always bugged me with the joggler, it's touch screen it doesn't need a cursor :p
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> if it's X you can set it to some empty cursor font
[19:58] <Azelphur> I tried that approach, didn't manage to get anywhere with it :-(
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> look at how mousetweaks does it then :)
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> it turns off the mouse cursor while typing in Ubuntu
[19:59] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: ah, that stuff just puts the mouse into hidden mode and it gets reactivated on move
[19:59] <Azelphur> much like unclutter does
[19:59] <Azelphur> I have unclutter atm which turns it off as soon as it's moved, but I want it completely gone :p
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> what happens if you make the time-before-hide 0? :)
[19:59] <Azelphur> it flickers on for a second and then goes away
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> great.. another postal strike here.
[20:18] <daubers> GAHHH
[20:23] <selinuxium> Evening!
[20:23] <selinuxium> o/
[20:24] <czajkowski> selinuxium: aloha
[20:24] <selinuxium> czajkowski: How is Aldershot this eve?
[20:25] <czajkowski> selinuxium: in stuttgart
[20:26] <selinuxium> czajkowski: Of course... :/
[20:26] <selinuxium> BigRedS: you on FB?
[20:26] <czajkowski> selinuxium: having cider in the3 irish pub while chairing the emea membership board meeting
[20:27] <selinuxium> czajkowski: All go... :)
[20:28] <czajkowski> aye
[20:28] <czajkowski> :)
[20:28] <czajkowski> back tomorrow night though
[20:28] <selinuxium> czajkowski: I kept trying to get involved about 5 years ago when I had much more time...
[20:29] <czajkowski> selinuxium: now you're just too busy for us
[20:29] <czajkowski> I see
[20:29] <selinuxium> czajkowski: Now you konw that is not true. :)
[20:30] <selinuxium> czajkowski: Spent ages trying to get a mentor in MOTU...
[20:30] <czajkowski> what happened?
[20:31] <selinuxium> czajkowski: brick walled....
[20:31] <czajkowski> :(
[20:31] <czajkowski> care to try again
[20:32] <stgraber> hey everyone
[20:32] <selinuxium> czajkowski: Possibly, may try to find another way to contribute... like the Ubuntu in Business event...
[20:34] <czajkowski> stgraber: meet selinuxium he didnt get much help in trying to go down the route of motu can you help put him in contact with someone who WILL mentor him
[20:36] <stgraber> czajkowski: sure
[20:37] <stgraber> selinuxium: what kind of packages are you interested in ? also, are you interested in helping with merges/syncs, new packages or bugfixes ?
[20:37] <exobuzz> Azelphur, maybe easy eay is invisible cursor theme ?
[20:38] <Azelphur> exobuzz: yea, I did some googling but didn't get far with that
[20:38] <exobuzz> i like seeing the pointer personally, as i can see where i click and where it thinks i cliced
[20:38] <exobuzz> which dont always match :)
[20:39] <czajkowski> selinuxium: oi oi don't run away now
[20:39] <selinuxium> stgraber: I am interested in audio production apps, games, also kvm et al.. Would need a gentle intro. quite happy to get involved with any low hanging fruit...
[20:39] <exobuzz> Azelphur, do you run squeezeplay ?
[20:39] <selinuxium> czajkowski: I am still lurking...
[20:39] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:39] <Azelphur> exobuzz: nah, I use mine as an alarm clock
[20:39] <Azelphur> don't actually know what squeezeplay is
[20:40] <czajkowski> selinuxium: talk to stgraber
[20:41] <selinuxium> czajkowski: I have, or do you mean sin PM?
[20:41] <czajkowski> missed that
[20:41] <Azelphur> exobuzz: good news! I broke it.
[20:41] <exobuzz> Azelphur, saw this on a forum http://pastebin.com/a5tD8HEN btw about cursor
[20:42] <Azelphur> exobuzz: http://pastebin.com/8EdzZ3jc \o/
[20:42] <exobuzz> Azelphur, squeezeplay is a server client music thingy.. useful to use joggler as a client to play your music collections around the house etc
[20:42] <Azelphur> exobuzz: cool, I'll try it
[20:42] <exobuzz> rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-calibration.conf
[20:42] <Azelphur> exobuzz: I see :)
[20:42] <exobuzz> you can recreate the file with the calibration script
[20:43] <exobuzz> i did a build to run on maverick recently. its described on my joggler page . updated it yesterday or so
[20:43]  * daubers kicks drupal
[20:43] <daubers> Done!
[20:44]  * exobuzz hugs drupal
[20:44] <Azelphur> exobuzz: haha, I can just fix the file, it just has "ion" at the end of the file on it's own line for some reason...
[20:44] <Azelphur> weird
[20:44] <exobuzz> yeh odd.
[20:44] <daubers> Why people feel the need to do in a video what could be described in a dozen or so lines of text I don't know
[20:44] <exobuzz> part of "Section" . but how it got like that. hmm
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> daubers: because videos are cool!
[20:44] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Hmmmmmmm
[20:45] <Azelphur> exobuzz: I ran the calibration thing on the desktop and followed the instructions, besides that havn't really done anything with it
[20:45] <exobuzz> daubers, your last comment could be read out of context
[20:45] <exobuzz> heh
[20:45] <exobuzz> weird
[20:45] <Azelphur> daubers: all my stuff is drupal powered :D
[20:45] <exobuzz> please try it again and cat that file and see if its the same
[20:46] <nucc1> I've got a host behind a virgin media gateway I need to be able to access from outside, so i enabled port-forwarding on the router for port 22. I still get 'connection refused' when i try to connect, so I'm guessing i need to make my machine listen on some IP, any hints?
[20:47] <Azelphur> exobuzz: http://pastebin.com/Gzgi5dxc broke it another way now :(
[20:47] <exobuzz> ive eaten too much curry. just wanted to share that
[20:47] <exobuzz> erk. wtf
[20:47] <Azelphur> lol
[20:48] <Azelphur> exobuzz: I have a reputation of being able to break anything :(
[20:48] <exobuzz> you lost your initramfs or kernel perhaps ?
[20:48] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[20:48] <moreati> nucc1: possibly dumb question, are you running an ssh server? i.e. can you ssh into the machine at all?
[20:48] <Azelphur> exobuzz: I did the thermal.psv thing, maybe I messed up
[20:48] <exobuzz> mount the usb stick on a pc. mount /dev/sdx3 /mnt mount /dev/sdx1 /mnt/boot chroot /mnt then "update-initramfs -k <IP_ADDRESS>joggler4 -c" and check there is the kernel image file in boot also
[20:48]  * Azelphur looks in the config file
[20:48] <exobuzz> please paste me the contents of /boot/grub.cfg
[20:49] <nucc1> moreati, he he, yeap. ssh on the machine works fine, i think the ssh server just finds my public IP to be unknown.
[20:49] <Azelphur> exobuzz: yea...that's what I was about to do...only, it's gone
[20:49] <nucc1> i'm searching to see if sshd has something akin to apache's 'listen'
[20:49] <Azelphur> which makes absolutely no sense
[20:49] <exobuzz> on partition 1. if you mount that somewhere. sorry if this is known/obvious to you :)
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> nucc1: check /etc/ssh/sshd_config and its manpage
[20:49] <exobuzz> wasnt unmounted safely after writing ?
[20:50] <exobuzz> ill give you a config. 1 sec
[20:50] <moreati> nucc1: have you reserved an IP address for the ssh server, or otherwise given it a static IP?
[20:50] <Azelphur> exobuzz: yea maybe, the only thing I've done unsafely was pulled the plug after it finished booting, because X didn't start I had no way of controlling it
[20:50] <exobuzz> grub.cfg http://pastebin.com/YH0HazVJ
[20:50] <nucc1> moreati, yes. MartijnVdS i'm looking now, thanks
[20:50] <Azelphur> ty
[20:51] <exobuzz> check you have in boot initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>joggler4, vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>joggler4 also
[20:51] <DJones> Has anybody been offered a Chrome Netbook? If I can provide a US Postal address, I'm eligible to receive one
[20:52] <ali1234> specs?
[20:52] <nperry> DJones: poke jono bacon?
[20:52] <Paul2> Why does installing ubuntu from scratch take an order of magnitude less time than upgrading 10.04-10.10?
[20:52] <Azelphur> exobuzz: nope, in /boot I have nothing, only grub.cfg
[20:52] <MichealH> Why cant the people in soaps call a fire bragade sheesh!
[20:52] <ali1234> because installing from scratch is essentially nothing more than a dd operation, and apt is hella slow
[20:52] <MichealH> ;)
[20:53] <exobuzz> erk..  cant be gone. you are looking on another machine ?
[20:53] <Azelphur> exobuzz: yup
[20:53] <exobuzz> boot is partition 1, did you mount that. if you mounted root (partition3). it will be empty
[20:53] <DJones> nperry: Nice idea, if they only deliver to the US, probably no use to me, but possibly he could use it
[20:54] <exobuzz> boot is partition 1 - fat32 filesystem, mounted on top of partition3 in /boot when you boot. on another machine you can mount it separately whereever
[20:54] <Azelphur> exobuzz: ohhh, yea wrong partition, I have a /media/linux-boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>joggler4
[20:54] <Azelphur> and initrd too
[20:54] <exobuzz> ok cool
[20:54] <Azelphur> was looking in /boot/ on the root partition :x
[20:54] <exobuzz> yeh. thought so :)
[20:54] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:54] <exobuzz> so you just need to fix the grub.cfg in there
[20:56] <DJones> Not much detail about the machine http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37185/chrome-os-notebook-hardware-detailed
[20:57] <DJones> Hmmh, have to fill in a survey before being eligible as well
[20:57] <Azelphur> exobuzz: there we go, boots now ty :)
[20:57] <Azelphur> DJones: what conditions do you have to fill to be able to get one? :)
[20:57] <exobuzz> cool
[20:58] <evilchristel> Azelphur: http://www.google.com/chromeos/pilot-program-cr48.html
[20:58] <exobuzz> you using thermal.psv then ? or just testing to see ?
[20:58] <Azelphur> exobuzz: I'm using thermal.psv
[20:58] <Azelphur> I have it set to 80 :)
[20:58] <evilchristel> Azelphur: thats where you can ask to be considered for one :)
[20:59] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:59] <nucc1> MartijnVdS, i can't seem to find an option that looks like what i want. there's BindAddress but it only takes one IP address
[20:59] <exobuzz> Azelphur, cool. warms the house up nicely then..  dont sue me if your joggler fries.. :-)
[20:59] <Azelphur> exobuzz: haha, I will :p
[20:59] <Azelphur> exobuzz: do you run at 80?
[20:59] <DJones> Azelphur: Pretty much what type of user are you, what do you do, what do you use, whats your shoe size etc
[20:59] <exobuzz> yeh.. ive tested getting it even warmer too
[21:00] <Azelphur> DJones: yea, I probably won't be getting one, I'm not much of a fan of android (although I have an android as it's the best option atm) and no doubt I won't be much of a fan of chrome os :p
[21:00] <Azelphur> I don't like the limits, I'd be more of a maemo/meego person
[21:00] <Azelphur> exobuzz: fun :)
[21:02] <exobuzz> Azelphur, i think 80c wont be a problem.. critical point is set to 100 at which point it should halt/stop anyway. i believe the atom z520 has a hardwar thermal protection at 120c where voltage gets removed from the cpu before the silicon fries
[21:02] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:02] <ali1234> it's not android, it's chrome
[21:02] <ali1234> chrome os is just fullscreen chrome
[21:02] <Azelphur> ali1234: I know, I'm just saying I wasn't much of a fan of their first OS so no doubt not much of a fan of their second :)
[21:02] <Azelphur> haha, exactly
[21:02] <Azelphur> limitations :(
[21:02] <ali1234> literally, there is nothing else
[21:03] <ali1234> i'm not sure if you can minimise it, but if you did there would just be a blank screen
[21:03] <Azelphur> haha
[21:03] <evilchristel> yeah, one of the questions is basically "what makes you ready to submit to browser and web app only computing" (paraphrased)
[21:04] <Azelphur> Seems silly to limit it tbh, chrome os is Ubuntu based, why take away everything that's great about Ubuntu and then cram it into a browser
[21:04] <ali1234> chrome os is not ubuntu based
[21:04] <Azelphur> ali1234: it isn't? I heard it was
[21:04] <jacobw> well the answer is obvious isn't it? Google dominates web apps
[21:05] <jacobw> all these things are about 'owning' a use case
[21:05] <jgjones> It's an experiment - most people already use web apps - such as gmail (or others) for emails and so on, so it's probably to encourage greater uptake of Google Docs etc
[21:05] <jacobw> in my opinion
[21:06] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:06] <jgjones> one example...I have a friend who's a noob with computers. He wanted a drawing program for his Windows.
[21:06] <jgjones> Went into Google and googled for drawing programs
[21:07] <jgjones> all top results for him was all online apps for drawing and that's how he've been doing his "drawing" - online.
[21:07] <jgjones> no software.
[21:07] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:07] <jgjones> Chrome OS - the same thing for him, but better security than Windows ;-)
[21:07] <Azelphur> true :)
[21:08] <jgjones> so I can see it working for some people that don't need much
[21:08] <Azelphur> yea, I can see it working for a lot of people
[21:09] <jgjones> Interestingly enough - on one forum I did see a Windows vs Linux thread - surprisingly no flaming etc in there...very rare I know...
[21:09] <Azelphur> haha
[21:09] <exobuzz> i dont like the whole idea of not owning/running software on my comuter and turning computing into rented home terminals .. people with those ideas often want to do things with the internet, so you buy like a tv package and get google, bbc news. package 2 if you want youtube
[21:10] <jgjones> it was mainly focused on ease of use - with most saying Ubuntu et al was focusing more on doing thing more easily
[21:10] <exobuzz> its for them to maximise profit and control, and not for our benefit..
[21:10] <jgjones> for example software installation was much easier
[21:10] <Azelphur> jgjones: yea, I generally stick normal users on Ubuntu, unless they are gamers
[21:10] <MonsterKiller> is rsyslogd meant to be using 191880 kB or RAM? :o
[21:10] <MonsterKiller> of*
[21:11] <jacobw> I'm provisioning a computer for a novice relative, I'm not confident about getting everything working with Ubuntu
[21:11] <jgjones> whereas windows' "ease of use" depend on their market share - nearly everyone have used Windows - but they was looking at *newbies* so for them, ubuntu/OSX is better.
[21:11] <Azelphur> MonsterKiller: probably not :p
[21:11] <MonsterKiller> :P
[21:11] <exobuzz> rsyslogd does lots of funny things.. the config file format was made to be unreadable too
[21:11] <MonsterKiller> well it is
[21:11] <MonsterKiller> D:
[21:11] <jgjones> However I think Ubuntu in some area is easier than OSX esp for software installation/updates.
[21:11] <Azelphur> MonsterKiller: fun :p
[21:11] <jacobw> definately jgjones
[21:11] <MonsterKiller> Azelphur, http://monster.pastebin.com/Z8ifGxhe
[21:11] <MonsterKiller> :P
[21:12] <jgjones> exobuzz - I agree...I would prefer my own localised computer/software
[21:12] <Azelphur> MonsterKiller: ah, I'm not 100% sure but I think ps includes easily-freeable memory (such as cache and buffers) in that count.
[21:12] <jacobw> speaking of Drawing, Inkscape is a really great program :)
[21:12] <exobuzz> rsyslogd also is a bit weird. they have about 7 ongoing developed versions. talk about confusing
[21:12] <jgjones> jacobw, I base it on how I've seen people use OSX's installation...some newbies was downloading dmg's and then opening that and then running apps directly from the finder window that opens!
[21:12] <exobuzz> jgjones, yeh me too. and the freedoms that come with that
[21:13] <jacobw> Its very fustrating trying to support people using Windows, because I keep thinking "well, I know how to do that in Ubuntu"
[21:13] <Azelphur> jacobw: indeed :P
[21:13] <jgjones> unless it is like Firefox or Opera where it have a background picture showing that you need to drag and drop it in applications.
[21:13] <Azelphur> I refuse to support Windows now unless they have a good reason for being on Windows (gamers)
[21:13] <MonsterKiller> *shrug* :P i got that output from webmin
[21:13] <exobuzz> Azelphur, nethack isn't enough for them ? :)
[21:14] <Azelphur> haha :D
[21:14] <Azelphur> exobuzz: I actually game in Ubuntu, but I'm crazy
[21:14] <jgjones> Now Apple's doing App Store for OSX - obviously it show that having a Software Centre is easier for end users.
[21:15] <jgjones> But I'll prefer Ubuntu's implementation - I know i can add PPA's if I wanted extra software not provided by core Ubuntu repo's
[21:15] <exobuzz> Azelphur, hehe.. i subscribed to cedega some years back.. but i never got anything working. due having an ati gfx card that had sh*t drivers. in the end i decided to end my subscription to them.. still on the same laptop. i must be mad. its now 5 years old. and the screen starts up red as the backlight is on the way out
[21:15] <jgjones> and without the restrictions that Apple will obviously slap on their App Store.
[21:15] <jacobw> At the same time, I just seem to run in to problems like Evolution won't send email and I can't solve these problems remotely
[21:15] <Azelphur> exobuzz: cedega are lame :/
[21:15] <jgjones> I just use wine.
[21:15] <jacobw> very lame
[21:16] <jgjones> It works just about well enough by itself.
[21:16] <exobuzz> yeh.. since then i have used wine for some stuff that has worked ok
[21:16] <Azelphur> exobuzz: cedega took a fork of wine before they decided to license it under GPL and started selling it basically
[21:16] <exobuzz> but its just easier to dual boot and use windows.
[21:16] <Azelphur> cedega be evil
[21:16] <jgjones> although I've not gotten Civilization V (via Steam) working on Wine yet :(
[21:16] <exobuzz> Azelphur, yeh.. i think there was a specific game that worked better in cedega than wine which was why i subscribed
[21:16] <Azelphur> if you want paid/premium support for wine, go with crossovers
[21:16] <Azelphur> crossover are <3 :D
[21:16] <exobuzz> freelancer... which works on wine ok now
[21:16] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:16] <jgjones> Crossovers now do games AND they contribute back to wine.
[21:17] <Azelphur> exobuzz: I play Alien Swarm, Burnout Paradise, CS:S, HL*, NFS Undercover, L4D(2), Portal, Supreme commander 2 and TF2 in wine :)
[21:17] <exobuzz> i spent a lot of time with wine last night.. hence my hangover
[21:17] <Azelphur> haha
[21:17] <dutchie> L4D2 \o/
[21:17] <Azelphur> although I don't play much of most of em, I mainly hit up NFSU Burnout paradise and TF2 :D
[21:18] <jacobw> i've given up on PC for games
[21:18] <exobuzz> Azelphur,  impressive... i got my wii.. and my xbox1 with emulators. thats about as much gaming as i get time for. and ive hardly used the wii too
[21:18]  * jacobw brought a PS3 a fortnight ago
[21:18] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:18] <Azelphur> ..
[21:18] <Azelphur> blast, I need to do something about hitting my numpad when I reach over to play piano
[21:18] <jacobw> that sounds like a trivial problem Azelphur !
[21:19] <Azelphur> I hit the del (.) and ins (0) and then end up hitting the numpad enter and sending weird stuff to IRC :P
[21:19] <exobuzz> Azelphur, id like to play some more games. i really miss all that..
[21:19] <Azelphur> exobuzz: haha, I do lots of TF2 related stuff, run a very popular server :)
[21:19] <exobuzz>  Alien Swarm looks like fun
[21:20] <Azelphur> I recently moved my server so my popularity rank went down, I was 99th percentile, I'm 96th now.
[21:20] <exobuzz> nice.. this is fps stuff. im out of touch. team fortress 2 ?
[21:21] <Azelphur> yup :)
[21:21] <Azelphur> exobuzz: I do server side development for it too which is fun
[21:22] <exobuzz> nice
[21:22] <andylockran> guys, ipvy6
[21:22] <Azelphur> http://azelphur.com/project/sourceirc \o/
[21:22] <andylockran> ipv6
[21:22] <exobuzz> will check
[21:22] <Azelphur> exobuzz: it's pretty fun, I implemented the IRC protocol server side, so the game server itself connects to IRC as a client and relays stuff :)
[21:22] <exobuzz> aah. to control via irc ?
[21:22] <Azelphur> yup
[21:28] <MonsterKiller> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-ubuntu-server-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address/ im using this to setup static ip and im not sure what i need to put for broadcast or network
[21:29] <MonsterKiller> do i just take them out?
[21:29] <Azelphur> MonsterKiller: nope, it won't work without them
[21:30] <Azelphur> MonsterKiller: is this on your VPS?
[21:30] <MonsterKiller> yeah
[21:30] <MonsterKiller> i got the other ones
[21:30] <MonsterKiller> just dont know what to put for those
[21:30] <Azelphur> ah you have other IPs
[21:30]  * Azelphur looks at how I did it on mine
[21:30] <MonsterKiller> :P
[21:31] <Azelphur> sudo ifconfig eth0:0 <IP_ADDRESS> up
[21:31] <Azelphur> I just do that, kinda cheap and doesn't take effect on startup
[21:31] <MonsterKiller> i know the address, netmask and gateway for that
[21:32] <Azelphur> MonsterKiller: I didn't set any, I assume they are autodetected from DHCP
[21:32] <MonsterKiller> yeah
[21:32] <MonsterKiller> wanted to get rid of it to save memory
[21:32] <MonsterKiller> ^^
[21:32] <Azelphur> wanted to get rid of dhcp?
[21:32] <MonsterKiller> wanted to use static instead
[21:33] <Azelphur> you won't save memory by removing dhcp
[21:33] <Azelphur> you'd save more memory switching to a lighter weight OS, but even then what ever you do your not going to save more than about 10MB
[21:33] <MonsterKiller> lol
[21:34] <MonsterKiller> dhclient3 was just using a fair amount that was all
[21:34] <Azelphur> the basics of ubuntu server only use 16MB of memory so there's no point in trying to cut down on that really
[21:34] <Azelphur> MonsterKiller: shouldn't do :p
[21:34] <MonsterKiller> jgeboski suggested going to static
[21:34] <MonsterKiller> well
[21:34] <MonsterKiller> not loads
[21:35] <MonsterKiller> meh
[21:35] <Azelphur> lol
[21:35] <MonsterKiller> 	6548 kB
[21:36] <Azelphur> MonsterKiller: that doesn't sound right, your probably getting the max allocation space for the app or something
[21:36] <nucc1> wow, i don't know what the name of the ssh daemon is on my machine
[21:37] <MonsterKiller> 799 	root 	6548 kB 	dhclient3 -e IF_METRIC=100 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhc ...
[21:37] <Azelphur> MonsterKiller: what command are you running to get that?
[21:37] <MonsterKiller> Azelphur, webmin output
[21:38] <Azelphur> \o/
[21:38] <MonsterKiller> 'Running Processes'
[21:38] <MonsterKiller> :P
[21:39] <MonsterKiller> Azelphur, is there a better way to get how much memory its using?
[21:40] <Azelphur> MonsterKiller: yea, run ps aux
[21:40] <MonsterKiller> xD
[21:40] <Azelphur> MonsterKiller: or if your looking at saving memory, run top and hit > it'll sort everything by memory usage
[21:41] <Azelphur> so you can see what's using all the memory
[21:41] <MonsterKiller> %MEM 0.1
[21:42] <Azelphur> on?
[21:42] <MonsterKiller> dhclient3
[21:42] <Azelphur> how much memory do you have?
[21:42] <MonsterKiller> 512 with 512 swap
[21:42] <MonsterKiller> :P
[21:43] <marsilainen> godaddy seem to have standard SSL certs for ~£8 atm
[21:43] <marsilainen> anywhere else I should consider?
[21:44] <MonsterKiller> they do
[21:44] <MonsterKiller> o.O
[21:44] <Azelphur> marsilainen: http://nodaddy.com/ :p
[21:45] <MonsterKiller> lol
[21:45] <marsilainen> I've never used them
[21:45] <marsilainen> are they bad?
[21:45] <Azelphur> marsilainen: or in summary, godaddy are about as easy to social engineer as a gullible 4 year old, they give domains to thieves all the time and suspends accounts without due cause or fine you
[21:45] <marsilainen> should I avoid?
[21:45] <Azelphur> indeed, avoid
[21:45] <marsilainen> ok
[21:46] <MonsterKiller> lol
[21:46] <Azelphur> the minute someone pipes up and says your wrong, godaddy will act
[21:46] <marsilainen> where is a good place to buy ssl certs then?
[21:46] <Azelphur> they don't verify anything
[21:46] <Azelphur> marsilainen: check if namecheap.com do them, that's where I send people who want domains
[21:46] <Azelphur> namecheap are good :D
[21:50] <marsilainen> seems like namecheap do rapidssl certs for $10.95
[21:51] <Azelphur> :D
[21:51] <Azelphur> marsilainen: when I had problems with yahoo domains they helped me get away and I've been with them for a couple years, all been good
[21:52] <marsilainen> ok, thanks
[21:52] <marsilainen> I guess I'll give them a try
[21:52] <marsilainen> and sue you if it all goes wrong :)
[21:54] <MonsterKiller> hehe
[22:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Unity Bitesize Bug Report for 7 December - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/07/unity-bitesize-bug-report-for-7-december/
[22:05] <ali1234> heh, my bug report is in that ^
[22:05] <mattt> evening all
[22:16]  * daubers considers replacing a couple of convection heaters with oil filled heaters
[22:16] <ali1234> those are good those are
[22:18] <daubers> Pretty sure it would be cheaper to run....
[22:27] <ali1234> i dunno about that, it's still a heating element at the end of the day
[22:27] <andylockran> If I have the following IP address on my server.. 2001:ba8:1f1:f015::2/64 can I use this as a tunnel for my desktop device? I'm using OpenVPN
[22:34] <jgjones> daubers - They're probably a bit more efficient in heating (oil hold heat longer) but it's still heated using electricity but still better than convection heaters.
[22:35] <ali1234> the thing about oil heaters is the element can get much hotter, therefore you can actually properly heat a room with them, instead of just having the fan heater blowing on you 24x7
[22:35] <ali1234> but of course it uses way more electricity
[22:35] <ali1234> consider that any heat the oil stores is heat that isn't heating up the room
[22:36] <ali1234> oh yeah, they are quiet too, unlike a fan heater
[22:38] <daubers> ali1234: We've just got convection heaters (not fan heaters)
[22:38] <daubers> Just want to reduce the £300/month leccy bill a bit really
[22:39] <ali1234> put on a hat and scarf
[22:39] <jgjones> actually - oil and convection heaters use same power - ie if you get a 1000W heater then it's 1000W
[22:39] <jgjones> regardless of oil or convection.
[22:40] <daubers> jgjones: Well, yes, but the frequency of the element coming on should be less with an oil heater (in theory)
[22:40] <ali1234> might be a bit more efficient due to higher temperatures involved, but probably not much
[22:40] <jgjones> daubers - I know how it feel...my last place's heating was so crap, I only got lukewarm temps at best in house with a giant bill.
[22:41] <daubers> Stupid convection heater comes on and off about every 30 seconds
[22:41] <ali1234> if the element is on less it produces less heat... thermodynamics :)
[22:41] <uraken> hello all does anyone of a really good internet filtering system i can use for my children?
[22:41] <jgjones> daubers, I think oil is probably more efficient but I have no idea to be honest. Gut feeling say oil. Can't find any tests otherwise.
[22:41] <jgjones> uraken - I use OpenDNS
[22:41] <ali1234> if there is a difference it's going to be a few %
[22:42] <jgjones> uraken - www.opendns.com
[22:42] <daubers> ali1234: Yes, but it depends on how efficiently it's transferring that heat to the medium around it, and how quickly that moves away
[22:42] <uraken> is this content filtering? jg?
[22:42] <ali1234> all the heat is going to move into the room eventually, or else the heater either switches off or catches fire :)
[22:42] <jgjones> uraken, you can use OpenDNS to filter out specific areas you don't want your kids to access such as porn, games, and whatever else - quite a choice really.
[22:43] <daubers> ali1234: Yup, but air is a pretty rubbish conducting medium (for heat)
[22:43] <ali1234> it doesn't matter
[22:43] <uraken> perfect exactly what i am after, is it a download or do i point my dns settings there?
[22:43] <daubers> Tempted to get one and just measure it
[22:43] <jgjones> daubers, when dealing with crappy heating in my last place, I just bought plenty of heavy duty but nice blankets and laid them over sofas etc
[22:43] <daubers> jgjones: Heh :)
[22:43] <ali1234> the oil heater will heat the room faster, but it will use almost the same amount of electricity
[22:43] <jgjones> then when watching tv etc, put them over - works quite well :)
[22:44] <ali1234> snuggy
[22:44] <ali1234> it's on my xmas list
[22:44] <daubers> Shall sleep on it I think
[22:44] <daubers> Night all
[22:44] <jgjones> uraken - just point your DNS to openDNS - and for your IP - if you have dynamic IP's you'll need their OpenDNS updater to keep up to date.
[22:45] <uraken> brilliant many thanks JG really appreciate your help i will go take a look and seehow i get on take care and thanks again
[22:45] <jgjones> uraken, have a look at their site and play with a new account - it's all free so there's no harm in trying it out. If it doesn't meet your needs, then just change DNS settings back to normal.
[22:46] <uraken> i will do thanks :)


[05:20] <pitti> Good morning
[05:29] <DanChapman> Good Morning
[06:34] <elfy> morning
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:59] <elfy> morning davmor2
[14:52] <elfy> hi balloons - welcome back - I've been working on bug 1306221 again
[15:33] <balloons> hey elfy . Excellent
[15:33] <balloons> i see the mp and I'll have a look
[15:34] <balloons> elfy, so do you think the word "normal" is understandable?
[15:34] <balloons> I realize lts and non-lts while more clear, might not be less confusing ;-)
[15:44] <knome> normal or regular
[15:45] <balloons> mmm.. regular might be better.. the odd thing of course is the terminal will prompt as normal and lts
[15:45] <balloons> I just find it confusing as to what a 'normal' release is
[15:45] <elfy> which is exactly why I said normal
[15:45] <elfy> or we'll get someone saying that the terminal echoes normal not regular
[15:47] <elfy> and as far as understandable ... given what I've seen reported - probably not - but let's aim for the highest denominator shall we :)
[15:55] <balloons> should we say normal (non-lts)?
[16:10] <elfy> then why not also say lts (non-normal)
[16:11] <elfy> just think that it doesn't really matter what we put - someone will wander along and still report a bug against a package against the testcase
[16:13] <elfy> balloons: we should really say non-LTS and LTS I guess with serious head on
[16:13] <balloons> it's the more common term
[16:13] <balloons> I think
[16:13] <balloons> heh
[16:14] <elfy> oh yea - and the other mp of mine is a brand new one for studio - they have an extra step in their installer AND removing Ubuntu One from where it appears
[16:14] <elfy> balloons: non-LTS and LTS then? wfm
[16:16] <balloons> is knome still here?
[16:16] <elfy> when we sync these we should also rename 1635 and 1636 so they don't get used by mistake in future (the 2 LTS testcases)
[16:16] <balloons> or another third party willing to sway the opinion ;-)
[16:16] <elfy> lol
[16:17] <elfy> I'll just go and tell slickymaster what I want him to say and then get him to post :D
[16:20] <knome>  balloons no, i'm hiding
[16:23] <balloons> elfy, knome :-)
[16:23] <balloons> elfy, I'm happy with however it is worded
[16:23] <balloons> I'll approve
[16:23] <elfy> ok - so I'll go with non-LTS and LTS and push it again
[16:23]  * balloons just approved normal,heh
[16:24] <knome> non-LTS is meh
[16:24] <knome> nromal is better
[16:24] <elfy> ok
[16:24] <knome> normal too
[16:24] <elfy> balloons: I'll sync it then if you want
[16:25] <balloons> elfy, yep, go for it
[16:25] <balloons> finish the deed!
[16:25] <elfy> okey doke
[16:31] <elfy> balloons: all done for that mp then
[16:31] <elfy> I'll wait to see the other show up in tbird and sync that then
[16:32] <knome> elfy, balloons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ3GvA9dNTo
[16:32] <elfy> :)
[16:32] <elfy> I could get all offtopic ...
[16:33] <knome> well we need some after-release relaxation ;)
[16:33] <balloons> knome, never heard of this group.. interesting
[16:33] <elfy> always
[16:34] <knome> balloons, finnish group, already non-existing, but google for "iiro rantala" for more of the pianists stuff ;)
[16:35] <knome> balloons, recent releases also!
[16:35] <balloons> knome, ahh.. jazz is always nice. I like it more live though.. it really needs to be performed
[16:36] <knome> agreed, but i can't afford him playing here in my room all day, every day
[16:36] <knome> and i don't have the space for the grand piano either
[16:36] <elfy> ha ha ha
[16:39] <balloons> knome, not even a baby grand?
[16:39] <knome> balloons, maybe that... but still not enough bucks for the pianist
[16:40] <knome> but i do happen to know he very much prefers either a specific grand piano...
[16:41] <knome> ...or some really old, expensive ones
[16:46] <balloons> well then.. I guess you shall stick to recordings :-)
[16:46] <knome> yeah, and the occasional live gig
[16:46] <elfy> never been to a recorded gig
[16:47] <elfy> apart from The Song Remains The Same
[16:47] <knome> haha
[16:47] <knome> well there you go ;)
[16:47] <knome> and playback in most popular music galas etx
[16:47] <elfy> :)
[16:47] <knome> *etc
[16:47] <knome> that counts as recorded gig imo...
[16:49] <elfy> :)
[16:58] <elopio> balloons: is dpm on holidays?
[16:58] <balloons> elopio, yes
[16:58] <balloons> till tomorrow
[16:59] <elopio> ok, he asked me to look at the filemanager tests, but I can't even build the project.
[17:00] <balloons> elopio, yes I had trouble as well
[17:00] <balloons> let me catch you up elfy
[17:00] <balloons> *elopio
[17:01] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1308280
[17:01] <elfy> he he he - balloons catches letozaf's bug ...
[17:01] <balloons> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1294301
[17:01] <balloons> elopio, ^^
[17:01] <elopio> balloons: oh, thanks.
[17:01] <balloons> so elopio tldr, the click generated doesn't work, and what's in trunk won't build with click tools
[17:01] <elopio> I was just going to be a pita and complaint about the project not having a REAMDE :D
[17:02] <balloons> I'm going to try again this afternoon.. if you want to have it work with click, https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-click-buddy-build/+merge/216478
[17:21] <balloons> elopio, how's reminders btw? testwise?
[17:22] <elopio> balloons: I'm still can't run it on my device, so I don't really know if my last test works.
[17:23] <elopio> I was hoping dpm to fix it for me :)
[17:23] <balloons> elopio, I don't remember what I told you about reminders.. I know it's broken know with click tools, just like fm
[17:23] <elopio> and today I'm working on the account for the click scope. So I hope that will work for reminders too and add a new test tomorrow.
[17:23] <balloons> although we can fix
[17:23] <balloons> sounds fine.. I'm going to work on making dpm's fixes work with both
[17:24] <balloons> qt creator and click tools that is
[17:24] <elopio> balloons: that would be nice. I don't want to get into the click details yet.
[17:47]  * elopio goes to get a new passport.
[19:41] <balloons> elopio, got a minute?
[23:09] <elopio> balloons: I'm here. Too late?
[23:09] <knome> elopio, don't blame yourself, blame balloons:
[23:09] <balloons> elopio, well, yes and no
[23:10] <knome> balloons, did you leave too early?
[23:10] <knome> ;)
[23:10] <balloons> knome, lol, I haven't left my chair in quite some time :)
[23:10] <balloons> elopio, I'm building reminders and trying your mp on my device right now
[23:10]  * knome ponders if that's TMI
[23:10] <knome> balloons, you should take a break every hour
[23:10] <balloons> knome, fingers crossed I will soon take you up on that
[23:11] <elopio> balloons: ok, let me know how it goes.
[23:11] <balloons> elopio, my original ping was on something else but if you want to chat about problems, well I got them :-)
[23:11]  * knome giggles
[23:11] <elopio> I got problems too.
[23:11] <elopio> tell me, maybe they are related.
[23:11] <knome> balloons, do you want me to book a psychiatrist for you?
[23:12] <balloons> elopio, the two big thorns are https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1294301 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1308280.
[23:12] <balloons> basically click-tools and qtcreator require different project layouts and manifests
[23:12] <balloons> so fm and reminders are broken for building, except through qtcreator
[23:13] <balloons> that's part of your issue with reminders I believe
[23:13] <balloons> the things really bugging me though, is the build for file manager doesn't work.. the click won't find the plugin no matter what I do
[23:15] <elopio> balloons: ah, yes, but the problem I'm looking at now is unity showing the window in a different place and autopilot going completely nuts.
[23:16] <balloons> elopio, what are you testing?
[23:16] <elopio> balloons: unity and the toolkit.
[23:16] <balloons> btw, reminders failed.. I'll try again then pull the log
[23:16] <elopio> balloons: failed to build or to run?
[23:16] <balloons> elopio, it ran.. tests failed
[23:16] <balloons> I'm running on nexus7 atm if if matters
[23:17] <elopio> ok, I have mixed feelings about that. But can you tell me the steps to build and run that you are following?
[23:18] <balloons> I built by merging lp:~nskaggs/reminders-app/cmake-build-test into your branch, which fixes cmake builds. But I see a couple small tweaks I need to make.. namely it reverted the framework defined in the manifest
[23:23] <balloons> fixed and re-building.. I actually did the work trying to figure out why fm isn't working.. I was comparing them.. sadly that got me nothing, but since I did it, I figured I would build your mp
[23:26] <elopio> ok, let me try your branch
[23:30] <balloons> just fyi, the changes in main.cpp are debug prints from me trying to figure out how the qml file is loading and where for fm :-)
[23:40] <balloons> elopio, ok, updated everything. 1 test still fails (the new one with url dispatcher). Might be something simple, but I'm leaving it as-is
[23:43] <balloons> left the log in a comment on the mp
[23:43]  * balloons is out


[02:34] <Eickmeyer> @DarinMiller Confirmed, partitionmanager missing a dependency on fdisk.
[02:39]  * Eickmeyer preps fix
[02:53] <Eickmeyer> bug 2037826 filed on your behalf @DarinMiller :)
[02:53] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Bug 2037826 in partitionmanager (Ubuntu) "kde partitionmanager missing dependency on fdisk" [High, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037826
 My bad for not filing the report!  And thanks for addressing so promplty!
[03:07] <Eickmeyer> Affects Ubuntu Studio as well, and we have less than a week until Final Freeze, so anything like that which comes across needs to be dealt with right away!
[03:07] <Eickmeyer> :)
[03:08] <Eickmeyer> Already uploaded, just awaiting approval.
 How does a dep go missing from one release to the next?
[03:13] <Eickmeyer> If you look at this version of partitionmanager (23.08), it was new as of August, so something upstream in KDE's development changed in the requirements. How it went untested this long, I have no clue.
[03:13] <Eickmeyer> I can say, in the live session, it works because fdisk is present as a requirement for ubiquity.
[03:14] <Eickmeyer> So therefore, if one was only testing it in the live session, that would make sense that it wasn't caught until now.
 Should I file bug on bugs.kde.org also?
[03:14] <Eickmeyer> Probably not, because this was a packaging bug, not a bug with partitionmanager itself.
 I upgraded one systems from 23.04 and since 23.04 already had fdisk, that system did not show this issue.  Just random chance I found it on the fresh install box as I was trying to format an old usb for a BIOS upgrade.
[03:17] <Eickmeyer> Right, that makes sense. In that case, fdisk was probably carried-over as a dependency that was demoted to a suggests of another package and, therefore, wasn't required in the .iso image build.
[03:19] <Eickmeyer> Either way, great catch!
 Least I can do... many others do much more of the heavy lifting.
 libblockdev (3.0.1-2) unstable; urgency=medium
   * Drop fdisk Depends from libblockdev-part.
     It only needs the library, not the command line tools.
 That seems to be the change from debian that dropped fdisk off a standard install
[06:55] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: ^^^ fyi
[06:56] <RikMills> thanks for the upload
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/9b1ecef2/file_69068.jpg
 previously in lunar
 uploading migrating
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:47] <Eickmeyer> @RikMills: Good morning, just woke up and ate breakfast. Yep, that means my speculation was correct, albiet the reasoning wasn't quite there (new requirement). In theory, though, it means that depends line should've stated "fdkisk" all along and we've just been lucky.
[18:20] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: not just in theory. Manually removing the fdisk binary in lunar and older reproduces the bug there, no matter the partitionmanager version. I checked out of curiosity after I commented
[18:20] <RikMills> so I need to forward that dep change to debian if they don't have it
[20:18] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: looks like it is kpmcore that actually needs fdisk
[20:19] <RikMills> tsimonq2: if casper on lubuntu ISO did not pull in fdisk, calamares would have broken


[18:10] <Unit193> https://ohiolinux.org/call-for-presentations/ deadline has been extended.
[18:10] <jenni> [ Call for Presentations - Ohio LinuxFest ] - https://bit.ly/2q7rwh3


[06:01] <mborzecki> morning
[06:55] <pstolowski> morning
[07:00] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[07:07] <mvo> good morning pstolowski and mborzecki
[07:07] <mborzecki> mvo:  hey
[07:10] <pstolowski> o/
[07:50] <pedronis> mvo: hi, why is #9399 not merged?
[07:51] <mvo> pedronis: let me check
[07:51] <pedronis> I might have confused you
[07:51] <zyga> o/
[07:51] <mvo> pedronis: yeah, it did not get a +1 from you so I did not merge it
[07:52] <mvo> pedronis: if it's good I will merge it now, but the boat for 2.47 is missed :/
[07:52] <pedronis> mvo: I pushed to it
[07:52] <mvo> pedronis: uh, sorry, then I was just too cautious
[07:52] <pedronis> it sounded you wanted it in 2.47 ?
[07:53] <mvo> pedronis: yes, it's a bit unfortuante
[07:53] <pedronis> sorry, I pushed to it and then ignored it, I thought you would just merge it or ask me again
[07:53] <mvo> pedronis: I mostly want it for groovy, I would do a 2.47+20.10.1 with just this merge in the deb
[07:53] <pedronis> also I hoped my follow up would get a review
[07:53] <mvo> pedronis: sorry for that, but it's not the end of the world, let me squash merge it now
[07:55] <mborzecki> pedronis: hi, i've updated #9427, sadly with the s/ChangePreserveBefore/ChangeIgnore/ and the other tweaks it grew a bit
[07:55] <mvo> pedronis: merged and cherry picked
[07:55] <pedronis> mborzecki: yea, it's a bit big now :/
[07:55] <mborzecki> pedronis: and there's a separate change that uses bootloader.ForGadget() in makebootable, which i can propose separately if that's easier to review
[07:56] <mborzecki> pedronis: fwiw, i can propose the ChangePreserveBefore -> ChangeIgnore rename separately too
[07:57] <mvo> pedronis: I will look at the followup today. quick question about the snapshot setid work from pawel, would you prefer to review all of those prs or do you think two regular reviews are sufficient? was wondering if that the import is something we could finish before the sprint (or do you think this is utterly unrealistic?)
[07:57] <pedronis> mvo: they are on my list to look at them quickly today
[07:58] <mvo> pedronis: cool, thanks
[08:03] <pedronis> mborzecki: if we can make it a bit smaller it would be better I think
[08:04] <mborzecki> pedronis: ok
[08:05] <pedronis> mvo: anyway my PR #9424 needs a little bit more work
[08:14] <mvo> ok
[08:16] <zyga> mvo thanks for the review, that really speeds things up
[08:16] <zyga> I'll merge and iterate as there is more :)
[08:16] <zyga> I will look at both pawel's and your comments
[08:17] <mvo> zyga: they where style comments on my side
[08:17] <mvo> zyga: how is the snapd->snap userd part comin along?
[08:17] <mvo> zyga: would be amazing to demo something
[08:18] <mvo> zyga: shame we don't have lightning talks
[08:18] <zyga> not much progress yesterday but that's my focus now
[08:18] <zyga> is that due this week or next week?
[08:20] <mvo> zyga: next week is the sprint
[08:20] <mvo> zyga: the better story we have then, the better
[08:23] <zyga> mvo, I think I will have a demo for the standup tomorrow
[08:30] <mvo> cool
[08:37] <pedronis> pstolowski: mvo: I reviewed #9417
[08:43] <pstolowski> ty
[08:45] <pedronis> pstolowski: and #9434
[08:47] <pstolowski> great, ty
[09:39] <mborzecki> pedronis: split out the gadget bits, `3 files changed, 447 insertions(+), 57 deletions(-)` that should make it more manageable
[10:04] <pedronis> mborzecki: thx
[10:11] <mborzecki> zyga: do you recall whether the apparmor profile allows to run ping? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/cant-run-the-simplest-ping-script/20275
[10:11] <mborzecki> iirc ping used to be (is still?) setuid
[10:25] <pstolowski> pedronis: i've solved XXX in #9417 (by passing setid to Open) but it affects a few other places, ok if this is a followup?
[10:29] <mvo> pstolowski: fwiw, I'm in favor of a follwup
[10:29] <mvo> pstolowski: then I can merge 9417 into the import PR and make it slightly smaller
[10:29] <pstolowski> ok
[10:39] <mvo> pstolowski: but there is a shellcheck issue in this PR that is real and will need attention
[10:40] <pstolowski> mvo: yes i just fixed it and checking
[10:40] <mvo> pstolowski: just run "./spread-shellcheck tests/main/"
[10:40] <mvo> pstolowski: nice
[10:41] <zyga> mborzecki looking
[10:41] <zyga> mvo I don't remember
[10:41] <zyga> mborzecki, nope, no ping
[10:41] <zyga> mvo notifications work now
[10:42] <zyga> mvo should brainstorm for 3 minutes the wording
[10:42] <zyga> but I just did a "run chrome, switch and refresh"
[10:42] <zyga> so if you want it in edge tomorrow I need reviews :)
[10:42] <zyga> mvo GNOME experience is, sadly, terrible
[10:43] <zyga> but I will check why and try to fix it
[10:43] <zyga> (the notification is on screen far too short to read comfortably)
[10:43] <zyga> it gets stashed in the roster though, so that's oka
[10:43] <zyga> I will try the plethora of hints available
[10:43] <zyga> but it really works ")
[10:46] <mvo> zyga: nice!
[10:46]  * mvo hugs zyga
[10:48] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9438 is short and simple
[10:48] <zyga> improves how to pass expiration timeout
[10:51] <pedronis> pstolowski: as you prefer, that PR is not big either way
[11:06] <jamesh> zyga: sorry for not giving a review of your notifications branch.  I notice you're implementing a lot of features not used by modern shells.  That's one of the reasons I was looking at both the fdo and gtk APIs together rather than focusing on fdo
[11:28] <pstolowski> mhm, i've seen "cannot sign assertion: bad GPG produced signature: .." more often recently
[11:38] <zyga> jamesh: I'm aware of that, we can trim it down later, most of the "features" are really just constants
[11:39] <zyga> all of the APIs there are working in current gnome (fortunately)
[11:40] <zyga> jamesh I wrote some code using this now, from snapd, via userd, so that's going to be a good chance to discuss what we want to show exactly
[11:44] <zyga> mvo: I need a review of small 9422
[11:44] <zyga> perhaps someone could do it before samuele can do the architecture review
[11:47] <pedronis> zyga: I reviewed #8573
[11:47] <zyga> thank you, let me look
[11:49] <zyga> great feedback, thank you
[11:49] <zyga> I will pick that up tomorrow, today is the notifications side day
[11:51] <pedronis> zyga: ok, I'll ty to also look at #7700 today, that should be simpler?
[11:51] <pedronis> *try
[11:56] <jdstrand> mborzecki: ogra is right, you need network-control because ping is setuid so need 'capability setuid'. there are other higher up the stack was to check networking that don't need that cap if people don't want network-control
[11:57] <pedronis> pstolowski: I did a quick pass on #9442
[11:57] <mborzecki> jdstrand: thanks for confirming
[11:57] <pstolowski> pedronis: ty
[11:58] <dariball> hi, ubuntucore docs (https://core.docs.ubuntu.com/en/stacks/disk/udisks2/docs/installation) mention using "udisks2" for automount support, but the snap is not found: https://snapcraft.io/search?q=udisks2 ... any hint on what I am doing wrong ?
[11:58] <jdstrand> ways*
[11:59] <dariball> or is there a replacement for "udisks2" which is not yet part of the docs?
[12:00] <zyga> degville ^
[12:00] <jdstrand> network-observe would also do
[12:00] <jdstrand> I responded to the topic
[12:04] <degville> dariball: sorry - the udisk2 snap has been deprecated. We should definitely add that to the Ubuntu Core docs. I'm not sure of an alternative, but this may provide a clue: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/udisks2-snap-removed-alternatives/12467/
[12:07] <dariball> degville: ok, good to know, thank you
[12:57] <pedronis> degville: pstolowski: I updated based on feedback https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9424#issuecomment-701357792
[12:59] <degville> pedronis: thank you! on first glance, it looks really good.
[14:01] <mvo> pstolowski: I merged master into 9442 and will review now
[14:07] <pstolowski> ty!
[14:31] <pstolowski> quick errand, bbiab
[14:40] <mvo> pstolowski: I did merge but the reviewing did not quite work out due to meetings, will try again a bit later
[14:48] <pstolowski> re
[14:48] <pstolowski> sure np
[14:50] <pedronis> zyga: the work you are doing will partly replace #7700, right ?
[14:55] <parker__> Hi everyone, does anyone here know how I might install a `.deb` as a part?
[14:58] <parker__> http://pastie.org/p/5TdqAudVPiPfRR1GMRI7aU -- I'm trying to install faudio before I install wine
[14:58] <zyga> pedronis: in a way, yes
[14:58] <zyga> pedronis: I think the "hold and wait" aspect will not change but the UI will
[15:00] <pedronis> pstolowski: I approved it but I noticed this in the other PR: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9434/files#r497580398
[15:02] <pedronis> pstolowski: actually, maybe I'm just confused
[15:04] <pstolowski> pedronis: TestLastSnapshotIDErrorOnDirName hits tis
[15:04] <pstolowski> *this
[15:05] <pedronis> pstolowski: sorry, I was confused, see my comment in the PR
[15:07] <pstolowski> np
[15:10]  * cachio lunch
[16:01] <ijohnson> pedronis: I have more fun raciness I have just discovered to discuss in our meeting
[16:02] <ijohnson> pedronis: autorefresh.Ensure() grabs a lock, then releases the lock while doing a bulk refresh assertion and console-conf-start gets the lock doesn't see a change, then unlocks and Ensure() comes back and creates a new change
[16:02] <pedronis> ijohnson: well, I asked to look into that
[16:02] <pedronis> I remembered there might be something like that going on
[16:02] <ijohnson> pedronis: and I did, but apparently I didn't look closely enough
[16:03] <ijohnson> anyways I'm looking at remedies now
[16:21] <parker__> Hi all, got disconnected so unsure if this was answered
[16:23] <parker__> I'm trying to install wine5.18 which dependents on the library `faudio`. I've added both the 64 and i386 debs as parts but they don't seem to be getting installed http://pastie.org/p/5TdqAudVPiPfRR1GMRI7aU
[16:24] <zyga> mvo: https://twitter.com/zygoon/status/1311340971175673861
[16:24] <zyga> I will  tweak the text some more, remove hacks and open a PR
[16:25] <zyga> but I need to do an errand with my wife now, we'll be back in two hours, traffic permitting
[16:33] <ijohnson> very nice zyga !
[16:46] <cachio> zyga, when you are back could you please take a look to #9414 and #9425
[17:43]  * cachio -> kinesiologist
[18:53] <zyga> ijohnson https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9446
[18:54] <zyga> cachio tomorrow morning
[18:54] <ijohnson> \o/
[18:54] <ijohnson> nice I will try and get you a review to try and land this asap
[18:54] <zyga> it's behind a feature flag
[18:54] <zyga> so we can change anything without impact
[18:54]  * ijohnson still needs to finish a review for pawel's service pr first though
[18:54] <zyga> so yeah, LGTM if we can :)
[18:54] <zyga> I suspect it will be quite a shed for bicycles though ;)
[18:54] <ijohnson>  haha
[18:55] <zyga> because it's short and man, wording ;-)
[19:42] <parker__> Another interesting problem I've been unsable to solve `The 'wine' part is missing libraries that are not included in the snap or base. They can be satisfied by adding the following entries to the existing stage-packages for this part:
[19:43] <parker__> This then lists many packages which I have added into the stage-packages list, but upon remaking the snap the error message remains the same
[19:44] <ijohnson> parker__: is the part that uses those stage-packages also define a "prime" or a "stage" key? if so you may be accidentally removing the files from those stage-packages
[19:46] <parker__> ijohnson: not that I can tell http://pastie.org/p/1FQ7eewGAX2kDPoxgGTzK2
[19:46] <ijohnson> parker__: what is this line doing:      `rm -rf ${SNAPCRAFT_PART_INSTALL}/usr`
[19:47] <parker__> oh shoot...
[19:47] <parker__> that would definately cause a problem
[19:48] <parker__> cheers
[19:48] <ijohnson> np
[19:50] <parker__> +1 seems to have worked! hah