[00:47] <BUGabundo> fta: asac: any ideas on how to get FLASH to "see" my webcam ?
[13:48]  * jdstrand wanders in
[13:48] <micahg> hi jdstrand
[13:48] <jdstrand> o/
[13:48] <micahg> jdstrand: can I ask you a few questions?
[13:48] <asac> hi jdstrand ;)
[13:49] <jdstrand> asac: hi
[13:49] <asac> micahg comes first ;) ... second, i hoped you could bin NEW kick netbook-launcher-efl ;)
[13:49] <jdstrand> micahg: if they are amazingly fast-- I've gotta head out in under 5
[13:49] <asac> hmm
[13:49] <asac> :-P
[13:49] <jdstrand> asac: netbook-launcher-efl accepted
[13:49]  * asac dances
[13:50] <micahg> jdstrand: did you intend apparmor to be on by default for 3.6 and 3.7 dailies?
[13:50]  * asac would assume yes.
[13:51] <jdstrand> micahg: only if the 3.5 profile was already on
[13:52] <micahg> jdstrand: my 3.7 is enabled even though my 3.5 was disabled
[13:56] <jdstrand> micahg: that is the type of question I don't have time to answer. the basic idea is that if the last apparmor profile matching /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.firefox-*[0-9] is not disabled, enable the new profile
[13:56] <micahg> jdstrand: ok, can I ping you later?
[13:56] <jdstrand> sure
[13:56] <jdstrand> micahg: what is the output of this command:
[13:56] <jdstrand> ls -rt /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.firefox-*[0-9]| tail -n1
[13:57] <micahg> /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.firefox-3.5
[14:00] <jdstrand> micahg: what is the output of this command: test -e /etc/apparmor.d/disable/usr.bin.firefox-3.5 || echo enabled
[14:00] <micahg> nothing
[14:00]  * micahg thinks it's still enabled since I was testing some apparmor stuff
[14:00] <micahg> but when I installed 3.7 originally it was disabled
[14:01] <jdstrand> micahg: if you can try it in a chroot or vm, that would be great
[14:01] <jdstrand> (I did(
[14:01] <jdstrand> (I did)
[14:01] <micahg> ok
[14:02] <jdstrand> micahg: feel free to look at debian/firefox-3.7.preinst.in as well
[14:02] <jdstrand> there could be a bug
[14:02] <micahg> jdstrand: ok, I'll try to take a look later
[14:02] <micahg> thanks
[14:03] <micahg> asac: are we going back to firefox as a source package name?
[14:03] <jdstrand> micahg: keep in mind, it isn't 3.5 specific-- eg, if you have 3.5 disabled, but 3.6 enabled, it will enable it for 3.7
[14:03] <jdstrand> of if you had 3.6 disabled, but 3.5 with modifications enabled, it will enable
[14:03] <micahg> jdstrand: ok, but my 3.6 doesn't have apparmor yet (running beta 5)
[14:04] <jdstrand> sure, just pointing out what it is doing
[14:04] <asac> micahg: most likely. i think about firefox firefox-next firefox-trunnk .... but not really sure if that is enough
[14:04]  * micahg will have to run some tests
[14:04]  * jdstrand -> outta here
[14:04] <asac> jdstrand: have a great new year ;)
[14:04] <asac> see you around in a few
[14:04] <jdstrand> asac: thanks! you too :)
[14:05] <asac> micahg: waiting for upstream decision what they plan for branches etc.
[14:05] <asac> mconnor said its soon TBA
[14:05] <asac> so i thought better wait before having to throw away everything again
[14:05] <micahg> asac: ok, great, in the mean time, I'm leaving bugs in firefox-3.5 for 3.5+
[14:05] <asac> yeah
[15:58] <micahg1> asac: it looks like the TB31 binary isn't being created
[16:17] <asac> micahg: is it in dist/bin ?
[16:17] <micahg> asac: where should that dist dir be?
[16:18] <asac> micahg: build-tree/mozilla/dist/bin ... or mozilla/mozilla/dist/bin
[16:18] <asac> not sure
[16:18] <micahg> there's no dist in the /usr/libtb31
[16:18] <asac> in the build tree
[16:18] <micahg> there's no dist dir
[16:19] <micahg> asac: I found it
[16:19] <asac> yes. so mozilla doesnt care about make install
[16:19] <micahg> asac: so, do I have to have our scripts copy it from dist/bin?
[16:19] <asac> they produce stuff in dist/bin
[16:20] <asac> so if it is there then the make install target is broken
[16:20] <asac> no
[16:20] <asac> its upstream build system that is supposed to copy that
[16:20] <micahg> ok
[16:20] <asac> ask in maildev. those are the folks that did their own build system stuff
[16:21] <asac> its not the same as xulrunner afaik
[16:21] <micahg> asac: it's looking for thunderbird-3.1 in dist/bin and only gets thunderbird
[16:21] <asac> ah
[16:21] <asac> yeah
[16:21] <asac> thats a problem with APP_NAME somewhere
[16:21] <asac> we have a patch for that, right?
[16:21] <asac> that probably needs to also patch a new file
[16:22] <micahg> yes
[16:24] <micahg> we seem to be changing the moz app name
[16:25] <micahg> but we do it in 3.0 and it works
[16:25] <micahg> I guess I have to go see what changed upstream the day it broke, right?
[16:30] <asac> micahg: upstream changed something that requires the patch to be adjusted ... yes.
[16:39] <micahg> asac: they landed the unofficial branding but it was not enabled yet
[16:41] <asac> micahg: link to commit?
[16:42] <micahg> asac: actually, I think it was something different
[16:42] <micahg> they moved to a single manifest install
[16:42] <micahg> http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/c87ebb61ec41
[16:45] <asac> micahg: didnt that happen to ffox 3.7  before?
[16:45] <asac> anyway ... i think you can fix DEFINES += -DAB_CD=$(AB_CD) -DMOZ_APP_NAME=$(MOZ_APP_NAME) -DPREF_DIR=$(PREF_DIR)
[16:45] <asac> instead of the manifest
[16:46] <asac> should be "easier" to maintain it there
[16:46] <micahg> here's the unofficial branding commit: http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/328bf422b19a
[16:50] <micahg> asac: what's AB_CD?
[16:54] <asac> micahg: its en-US for us
[16:54] <asac> mozilla spins full builds for each locale
[16:54] <asac> thats the locale
[16:54] <asac> we build everytihng with en-US afaict
[16:56] <micahg> ah, the localization
[16:56] <asac> yes
[16:56] <micahg> so, I just need to change $(MOZ_APP_NAME) ?
[16:58] <asac> i would think you should use -DMOZ_APP_NAME=$(MOZ_APP_NAME)-3.1
[16:58] <asac> changing MOZ_APP_NAME everywhere will probably cause bad issues
[16:58] <micahg> ok, I'll make the change a little later an try to test before the bot spins tonight
[16:58] <asac> in the long run moz biuld system should have MOZ_PROG_NAME rather than MOZ_APP_NAME imo
[16:59] <asac> sounds good
[16:59] <micahg> asac: should I file a bug for that
[17:07] <asac> i doubt they will work upstream on that
[17:07] <asac> if we have a patch we should open a bug and get it approved
[17:10]  * micahg doesn't know enough yet to make a patch for that
[17:11] <micahg> bbiab
[19:22] <bdrung_> asac: around?
[21:16] <asac> bdrung_: for a moment
[21:16] <asac> not sure i can really contribute though
[21:17] <micahg> asac: I think he wanted to ask about the stuff he sent to the ML
[21:17] <bdrung_> asac: i have a discussion about XB-Xul-AppId on #debian-devel
[21:18] <bdrung_> asac: what do you think about http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.5.head/revision/508 ?
[21:19] <asac> bdrung_: can you please propose merges if you are unsure ;)
[21:20] <asac> we only need Eol?
[21:20] <bdrung_> asac: i was sure, but then the discussion start and now i am back at the start.
[21:20] <asac> which discussion?
[21:21] <asac> can you summarize in one sentence?
[21:22] <bdrung_> asac: summary: we can't rely on /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages
[21:24] <asac> why would we?
[21:24] <asac> bdrung_: ?
[21:24] <asac> we can even automaintain a list in the archive
[21:24] <bdrung_> asac: for dynamically generating a list of xul apps: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/dh_xul-ext/annotate/head%3A/src/dh_xul-ext
[21:24] <asac> just that we regularly update it
[21:25] <asac> bdrung_: you can do that in python directly
[21:25] <asac> well. not on the builders
[21:25] <asac> which was the blocker;)
[21:25] <asac> so yes. the list would be in a archive package and then that list would be regularly updated
[21:26] <asac> does that make sense?
[21:26] <asac> the headers are easy to add to apps. and gives maintainers a way to automatically update the entries appropriately
[21:26] <asac> on top you can include thirs party repositories etc.
[21:26] <bdrung_> asac: that was one idea
[21:26] <asac> beceause you would use a list of sources rather than what is in debian
[21:27] <asac> sure. so go for that. the python script that des the magic of pulling down apt indexes and extracting information is in the ubufox database updater


[12:45] <mhb> good night (a greeting)
[01:20] <ryanakca> ScottK: hmm... Upstream released 1.0.3 ... and aoeui now builds aoeui, and asdfg (the QWERTY equivalent)
[01:20] <ryanakca> ScottK: I guess that means I have to restart the package, since it's so different?
[02:56] <nixternal> hrmm, in c++ is it possible to instantiate a class object in a switch statement, and within the same switch statement, test to see if the object instantiated was created and print data as requested?
[04:18] <manchicken> nixternal: That does sound possible.
[04:23] <jjesse> nixternal: did you get my email?
[05:09] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:26] <nixternal> jjesse: just replied...stupid google had you in the spam box
[05:26] <nixternal> and adding addresses to your contacts list with gmail, doesn't stop them from getting marked as spam either
[06:43] <Hobbsee> manchicken: ping
[09:33] <_marseillais> hi
[09:34] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, my patch bug 124047 is not done as it should ?
[09:35] <Hobbsee> bug 124047
[09:35] <_marseillais> #124047
[09:35] <Hobbsee> _marseillais: if that's the k-r-e, it's just that i havent gotten around to it yet
[09:35] <_marseillais> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-extras/+bug/124047
[09:35] <_marseillais> ah oki
[09:35] <Hobbsee> yeah.  havent gotten around to it
[09:35] <Hobbsee> worked for part of the weekend, etc
[09:36] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, no problem just to know if it was due to my patch
[09:37] <Hobbsee> nah
[09:37] <_marseillais> Hobbsee, if you have time
[09:37] <_marseillais> i got a question
[09:37] <Hobbsee> i'm going out, but if you're quick...
[09:37] <_marseillais> i installed gutsy in virtual box
[09:38] <_marseillais> and now networkmanager depends on several libgnome
[09:38] <_marseillais> is it something normal?
[09:38] <_marseillais> or should i make a bug?
[09:38] <Hobbsee> it's a bug, already reported.  well, known anyway
[09:38] <_marseillais> oki
[09:46] <siretart> manchicken: any chance we get ept-cache soon? from the changelog I see that adept is blocking the new libept version, and Hobbsee told me to bug you! ;)
[09:52] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:52] <_StefanS_> if tribe2 somewhat functional on a laptop yet?
[09:53] <_StefanS_> if/is
[09:53] <_StefanS_> considering upgrading to be on track with development
[09:54] <gnomefreak> _StefanS_: functional-for most part will it break?-YES
[09:55] <_StefanS_> gnomefreak: well I know that part, but I ran feisty at beta2 and on to the final, just wanted to know if there were any current breakers
[09:55] <_StefanS_> maybe I will upgrade then
[09:55] <gnomefreak> _StefanS_: if i were you i would wait til after sprint to upgrade
[09:55] <_StefanS_> when is the tribe3 supposed to be out?
[09:56] <gnomefreak> 17th
[09:56] <gnomefreak> iirc
[09:56] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[09:56] <xerosis> _StefanS_: it's a bit tricky to upgrade right now
[09:56] <xerosis> _StefanS_: do-able but you have to be careful
[09:56] <_StefanS_> xerosis: alot of stuff kept back?
[09:56] <xerosis> _StefanS_: yeah
[09:56] <_StefanS_> xerosis: ok
[09:56] <xerosis> _StefanS_: i did a fresh install a few days back and you have to remove kubuntu-desktop to get most of the stuff installed
[09:57] <xerosis> then install stuff manually
[09:57] <_StefanS_> xerosis: ah ok, I tried that in the past as well; not too tricky if you have a feisty installation around for reference ;)
[09:57] <_StefanS_> (or any previous installations..)
[09:57] <xerosis> _StefanS_: if you're installing off a cd it'll be fine
[09:57] <xerosis> just i upgraded from feisty so it was a bit trickier
[09:58] <_StefanS_> xerosis: yep I was actually thinking about that, but I wont get my new harddrive(s) until next week, and I cant really wait :)
[09:58] <gnomefreak> _StefanS_: comparing this to feisty isnt a good comparison as there are different things that are heldback different things are borked so on and so forth
[09:59] <_StefanS_> gnomefreak: I was thinking about package names, I guess they havent changed much
[11:30] <Riddell> hi all, coming to you live from Canonical towers here in the centre of london
[12:28] <Riddell> can you see milbank tower?
[12:28] <Riddell> I'm waving out the 27th floor
[12:43] <apokryphos> not really, in south london atm 8)
[12:43] <Riddell> I can see much of south london from here too :)
[12:43] <Riddell> hi kwwii
[12:44] <kwwii> howdy Riddell
[12:44] <kwwii> it is hard to concentrate on working with such a nice view ;-)
[01:48] <ScottK> LongPointyStick: I will upgrade to Gutsy as promised, once apt and ooo are sorted.
[01:54] <Riddell> ooo is broken?
[02:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Still not rebuilt successfully after last weeks libcurl thing.
[02:11] <ScottK> Last attempt was FTBFS.
[02:16] <calc> hmm no scrollback of course since i just joined :)
[02:16] <Riddell> ScottK: here you are, you can poke calc directly :)
[02:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I know he knows about it already.
[02:16] <calc> Hobbsee: hello
[02:17] <ScottK> calc: I was just telling Riddell I was waiting for the OOO situation to get sorted before I upgraded my development machine to Gutsy.
[02:18] <Hobbsee> hi calc :)
[02:18] <ScottK> Good morning Hobbsee.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hi ScottK
[02:21] <calc> ScottK: ah ok, i am about to look at the build log right now
[02:21] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:21] <ScottK> ;-)
[02:22] <Riddell> it's also waiting on me or someone to merge adept I presume
[02:22] <ScottK> That and a working apt would be nice too.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no, making apt work, actually
[02:22] <Riddell> or actually I thought I saw Hobbsee upload a new adept for the new apt
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how's london?
[02:22] <Riddell> big
[02:22] <ScottK> Actually I almost never use Adept.  I just use apt.
[02:22] <Riddell> it just goes on forever
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is that a problem?  :P
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you should see australia one day, then.
[02:23] <Riddell> I've seen australia too, but london has the more impressive population density :)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> yeah, true that
[02:24] <Hobbsee> but au wins for hugeness factor
[02:26] <calc> Hobbsee: i think US wins for hugeness over au ;)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> calc: point..
[02:27] <calc> one of the lowest density countries so everyone has to drive their huge SUVs with < $3/gal gas
[02:27] <calc> gas here in london is ~ $8/gal
[02:27] <Hobbsee> wow
[02:27] <Riddell> it's a pound a litre in real money
[02:28] <calc> best way to get rid of SUVs in the US would be to have gas go up to cost what it does in London
[02:28] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:28] <Hobbsee> makes it way expensive, compared to us
[02:29] <calc> US price when i left was roughly equal to 0.35 pound per litre
[02:30] <ScottK> Very high for the US historically, but still much lower than Europe.
[02:30] <calc> yea it was < 1.50 USD/gal about 2 years ago
[02:30] <calc> so nearly doubled in the past 2 years
[02:31] <RadiantFire> how many of those russian time zones were actually heavily populated
[02:32] <calc> RadiantFire: they sent lots of people to siberia so probably all of them ;)
[02:33] <calc> some parts of the US are probably as densely populated as London, like NYC, maybe Boston
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: holy hell, that's huge!
[02:33] <calc> Houston has way too many trees to be comparable though
[02:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: petrol price?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no.  milbank tower
[02:33] <Riddell> ah, yes
[02:34] <calc> Hobbsee: yea its cool :)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> calc: rub it in, why dont you?
[02:34] <Riddell> it's the only 30 story tower block in central london, they much have paid off the planning regulators with something hugh
[02:34] <Hobbsee> i'm already jealous as it is :P
[02:34] <calc> Riddell: iirc wikipedia mentioned it used to be the home of one of the political parties
[02:34] <Riddell> the london eye is somewhere down there
[02:36] <calc> millenium wheel (london eye) is 135m
[02:36] <calc> millbank is 118m
[04:24] <nixternal> morning!
[04:25] <Riddell> good morning richard
[04:25] <ScottK> Goor morning nixternal
[04:25] <ScottK> err Goor/Good...
[04:25] <nixternal> Goor!
[04:25] <nixternal> Riddell: how was LRL?
[04:26] <Riddell> nixternal: good enough
[04:28] <nixternal> cool, can't wait to see the video of it. my buddy Joe Born from Neuros went and gave a talk I guess
[04:30] <Arby> morning/afternoon all
[04:31] <Ash-Fox> This is really getting annoying. Troubleshooting many people's wireless issues on different cards on Kubuntu. The biggest cause so far of knetworkmanager not working properly is the fact the adapter in /etc/network/interfaces contains a iface <addapter> inet dhcp.. removing that line just solves the conflicts all together.
[04:48] <nixternal> Ash-Fox: ya, knm is annoying at times....right now, if I boot up with ethernet plugged in, it does't get seen my knm/nm and starts up my wireless instead...so I have to unplug and plug back in the cable for eth0 to activate/enable
[04:49] <manchicken> nixternal: Joe Born is alright.  He donated an iPod Mini to me when I was working on this podcast player in Perl with some custom Perl drivers I'd done.
[04:49] <nixternal> he donated me a neuros :)
[04:49] <nixternal> Joe is a cool dude
[04:49] <manchicken> I actually got quite far with that podcast program until I hit the limit of the Perl-Qt bindings.
[04:49] <manchicken> :(
[04:49] <manchicken> I want an OSD!
[04:50] <nixternal> dude, he will sell you one for $100, or if you are slick enough and are interested in the OSD development, he might give you one
[04:50] <manchicken> Actually, I want a personal media computer thing.  You know, one of those ugly-as-hell black music players that hold 80GB?
[04:50] <manchicken> I don't think they make them anymore though.
[04:51] <nixternal> who made it?
[04:51] <nixternal> ebay will have it
[04:51] <manchicken> Neuros
[04:51] <nixternal> oh
[04:51] <nixternal> I just know the OSD really
[04:51] <manchicken> This was like their first real product.
[04:51] <manchicken> It supports FLAC and everything.
[04:51] <nixternal> was it a closed source product? it wasn't even a year ago that they made the switch to embedded Linux
[04:52] <manchicken> Dunno.
[04:52] <manchicken> I think it was one of the devices that allowed you to directly mount its filesystem.
[04:52] <nixternal> it is cool, I can watch youtube directly from my tv
[04:52] <manchicken> Unlike my Creative Zen which you have to use MTP for.
[04:52] <nixternal> ahh
[04:52] <manchicken> nixternal: I can do that, too, on Wii :)
[04:52] <nixternal> hehe
[04:53] <nixternal> wii == $$, neuros == free for me
[04:53] <manchicken> And don't fool yourself, the OSD is still using quite a bit of proprietary and NDA stuff.
[04:53] <nixternal> I got an OSD, a "Hack the Duck" t-shirt that would fit either Freddy or Eddie, and a "Hack The Duck" coffee cup from him...super cool dude
[04:54] <nixternal> they are going to switch over to gnash here pretty soon...they have been testing the latest release now
[04:54] <nixternal> there is a ton of proprietary stuff on it
[04:54] <nixternal> nothing more than the typical Linux user has now though :)
[04:54] <nixternal> libdvdcss, mp3, wmv, flash, and the list goes on
[04:54] <manchicken> True, but I still wish he would fight a little harder to get it freed.
[04:55] <manchicken> If he's making money with these, and they're actually selling, then he would have some traction in that stuff.
[04:55] <nixternal> oooh
[04:55] <calc> apparently my laptop is "fast" since it can build it in ~ 2hr with cold ccache
[04:55] <nixternal> last time I built it, NASA had 2 trips to space and back :)
[04:55] <calc> heh
[04:56] <nixternal> Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:56] <Riddell> that's us
[04:56] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^ is that cool for the kde packages
[04:56] <Riddell> groovy
[04:57] <nixternal> alrighty, I will get the tapioca-qt, telepathy-qt, and decibel switched over from dholbach then
[04:57] <nixternal> that will make things nicer :)
[04:58] <nixternal> hey, for KDE 4, I would like to start biweekly snapshots here eventually, and was thinking if we should just get Soprano in universe and update the current QCA to QCA 2.0
[04:58] <nixternal> I think libstreamanalyzer (strigi) is fairly recent w/o having to do an svn snapshot
[04:59] <calc> so will kde 4 look leet like gnome? ;)
[04:59] <nixternal> bah, gnome hasn't looked leet in a decade
[04:59] <calc> the only shots i've seen were from the first alpha release
[04:59] <nixternal> actually, have they even hit a decade now?
[04:59] <calc> nixternal: probably, or its close
[04:59] <nixternal> it is getting better, kde 4 that is
[05:00] <manchicken> nixternal: Do you have amd64 KDE4 packages?
[05:00] <nixternal> manchicken: ummmmmmmmm
[05:00] <manchicken> Doh!
[05:00] <manchicken> Qt4 packages got updated.
[05:00] <manchicken> No kde4 though.
[05:00] <nixternal> the current packages might be having a dbus issue, but that is an easy fix by adding libdbus-1-dev to libs and base
[05:01] <nixternal> http://flickr.com/photos/theloudmouthman/755882695/
[05:01] <nixternal> tell me he wasn't up to something
[05:01] <nixternal> HAHAHAH!   I'd love to go to aKademy.
[05:04] <manchicken> I just don't have the kind of money to be flying around to these things.
[05:04] <Riddell> manchicken: I'm working on kde 4
[05:04] <calc> gnome was around prior to jan 1998 in any case
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nixternal has some form of i386 packages, if you havent already seen
[05:04] <calc> not sure where the original posting is
[05:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I have not
[05:05] <Riddell> nixternal: where would these be?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's documented on the mailing list, which it might be helpful if you read.
[05:05] <nixternal> well the .debs are at http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/7.10/kde4
[05:05] <Arby> nixternal: there's going to be an LRL-US next year
[05:05] <manchicken> Riddell: I know.  I kinda tried to work on KDE4.  I just don't have the time to, as I'm not being paid to work on KDE4 :)
[05:05] <nixternal> I have the debian/ directories in a +junk on bzr...let me grab that link
[05:05] <calc> ah it started aug 1997
[05:05] <nixternal> https://code.launchpad.net/~nixternal/+junk/kde4
[05:05] <calc> so it will be 10 next month
[05:06] <nixternal> cool!
[05:06] <nixternal> Arby: are you kidding me?
[05:06] <Arby> nope
[05:06] <nixternal> omg you just made my day!
[05:06] <nixternal> manchicken: road trip!
[05:06] <Riddell> it'll be in san francisco area
[05:06] <nixternal> I will grab the Ferrari and come pick you up
[05:06] <Arby> next to no chance of me making that
[05:07] <Arby> even if I start saving now
[05:07] <Arby> nixternal: sometime around March
[05:07] <manchicken> nixternal: What now?
[05:07] <nixternal> I put in to get personal time for UDS Boston...last time Mark and I tried the Feds said "nice try"
[05:07] <nixternal> manchicken: LRL in San Fran next year
[05:07] <manchicken> LRL?
[05:07] <nixternal> LUG Radio Live :)
[05:08] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:08] <nixternal> I would like to know why people don't do Chicago. don't they realize it is the greatest city in the US?
[05:08] <nixternal> NYC is even envious of us :)
[05:09] <Arby> possibly due to the funding concerns involved
[05:09] <nixternal> anyone doing a libqtjambi yet?
[05:09] <Arby> the name DiBona was mentioned
[05:10] <nixternal> Chicago has 2 airports to choose from, millions of hotels, Google if we really need them, UIC would oblige I am sure...heck we are finally getting a big OSS event next year, PyCon
[05:10] <calc> google is in chicago?
[05:10] <nixternal> hopefully Flourish will take off....we had 200 people in one day, which just happened to fall on the easter weekend for everyone
[05:10] <nixternal> calc: ya, they have a fairly decent size gig here now
[05:10] <calc> nixternal: ah ok
[05:10] <nixternal> same with IBM, who wined and dined us at flourish this year
[05:11] <calc> nixternal: a data center or regular office too?
[05:11] <nixternal> both
[05:11] <calc> cool
[05:11] <nixternal> all of the Ad Sense revenue goes through Chicago, so the office is the sales and marketing for ad sense, the DC is a typical DC, but also we have Ben Sussman of SVN fame who runs the Google Chicago Engineers
[05:12] <calc> i've been to their SGI Mountain View campus a few years ago for an interview, it was pretty nice
[05:12] <nixternal> he is a little stuck up, but very cool nonetheless
[05:12] <nixternal> calc: I was there last year for an interview
[05:12] <nixternal> but they filled it internally
[05:12] <nixternal> bastages
[05:12] <calc> :\
[06:40] <manchicken> I don't like the proprietary focus of flourish.
[06:40] <manchicken> It kinda defeats the purpose.
[06:43] <Riddell> what's flourish?
[06:47] <nixternal> it is an open source conference that is now being put on yearly by the University of Illinois at Chicago ACM group
[06:47] <nixternal> there was quite a large proprietary following for the first one only due to IBM really
[06:48] <nixternal> this last one had Chris DiBona and Peter Brown give talks, Peter Brown of course rocked :)
[06:50] <DaSkreech> Did he smash the Guitar at the end?
[06:50] <nixternal> nope, just Windows and Chris DiBona :)
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Pffft
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Any Groupie can smash windows
[06:53] <nixternal> but Chris DiBona? He is a big boy
[06:54] <nixternal> alrighty, Kubuntu Developers now have 3 new packages. 1) telepathy-qt, 2) tapioca-qt, and 3) decibel
[06:55] <DaSkreech> \o/
[06:56] <nixternal> next is nixternal-dev and nixternal-dbg :)
[06:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: please tell me that they'r eall licenced correctly
[06:56] <nixternal> Hobbsee: they better be, they have been in universe for a while :)
[06:56] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:57] <nixternal> we just changed the Maintainer: to Kubuntu Developers per dholbach
[06:57] <nixternal> Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:57] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[06:58] <DaSkreech> nixternal: So the meta package for those is point-klicky ?
[06:58] <nixternal> so, I guess for Kubuntu packages we just may end up moving them from -MOTU to K-D as the desktop team does this with some packages
[06:59] <Hobbsee> nixternal: sounds sane
[06:59] <nixternal> first thing I have said in a while that sounded sane :)
[07:06] <calc> it appears my laptop takes 3hr to build current gutsy ooo while using it for other things
[07:06] <calc> might be better if i had more than 1gb ram
[07:09] <calc> it finished, time to shutdown, eat and take a nap
[07:09] <calc> +6 tz in a day made me very tired
[07:11] <Riddell> "Kubuntu - easily the best operating system from the Linux stable" Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/City_Supplements/Bombay_Times/Time_for_a_switch_/articleshow/2162152.cms
[07:11] <Riddell> cool
[07:24] <DaSkreech> I like how they highlight what Ubuntu has brought to the Kubuntu core tehn go on to proclaim Kubuntu the greetest!
[08:06] <seele> were the high res versions of the ubuntu logos taken off the website?
[08:07] <seele> (or.. does anyone have a high resolution version of the kubuntu logo, svg or png)
[08:09] <Disablez> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Kubuntu_Logo.svg for ex?
[08:18] <seele> ah.. that helps. i just went diretly to the ubuntu site where i last saw it
[08:58] <acidBURN> konqueror anyone?
[09:01] <manchicken_> What about konqueror?
[09:02] <acidBURN> need some help on importing a html file that contains bookmarks, that konqueror will not import it
[09:17] <manchicken_> acidBURN: You may want to try #kde or #kubuntu.
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Konquistador?
[09:51] <nixternal> manchicken: Perl??  I want to execute a URL and have it open a (default) web browser...is there an easy/efficient way to do this?
[09:54] <fdoving> nixternal: in kde?
[09:55] <nixternal> in general
[09:55] <nixternal> writing another irssi script to parse a url with <flag> <search term>
[09:55] <fdoving> on debian systems you can use x-www-browser
[09:55] <fdoving> it's one of the alternative things.
[09:55] <fdoving> managed in /etc/alternatives/
[09:55] <manchicken> nixternal: Sure.
[09:55] <manchicken> nixternal: Are you on a debian system?
[09:56] <nixternal> yup
[09:56] <fdoving> nixternal: on debian systems there are www-browser, for console. and x-www-browser for x.
[09:57] <manchicken> The question would be whether www-browser would take HTML via stdin.
[09:58] <manchicken> Why not just have something load the URL, or do you have to execute it?
[09:58] <fdoving> that depends on the browser, can't you write it to a temp file?
[09:58] <manchicken> You could, but I'm wondering if it would be better just to point the browser to the URL itself.
[09:58] <manchicken> LWP can't do anything more than a web browser can.
[09:59] <nixternal> WWWBrowser::start_browser("$URL" . "$FLAGS" . "$SEARCH");
[09:59] <manchicken> Is WWWBrowser a CPAN module?
[09:59] <fdoving> what's this for anyway?
[09:59] <nixternal> a top secret irssi script
[09:59] <nixternal> I can tell you, but I would have to kill you then, and I don't want to do that :)
[10:00] <fdoving> ok. make it work remotely :)
[10:00] <fdoving> via some ssh tunnel magic or something :)
[10:00] <nixternal> i.e.
[10:00] <nixternal> /foo <flag> <search term>
[10:00] <nixternal> in irssi, that would open up my browser and go to where I wanted it to
[10:00] <fdoving> like /foo google kde hacking ?
[10:01] <nixternal> sure
[10:01] <nixternal> well, the foo would replace google with the foo url, but you are along the right lines
[10:01] <fdoving> foo url?
[10:02] <fdoving> search some url for the term?
[10:02] <nixternal> yup, but the flags cause it to search different sites
[10:03] <fdoving> sites as in search engines or?
[10:04] <fdoving> the question is, do you download the data and search the data locally, or do you use some search feature on the site?
[10:04] <nixternal> search feature on the website
[10:04] <nixternal> YubNub to be exact
[10:05] <fdoving> then you can just make urls, right?
[10:05] <fdoving> and open them in a webbrowser.
[10:05] <fdoving> like konquerors webshortcuts.
[10:05] <fdoving> but for irssi.
[10:06] <nixternal> well, I would like it to open my browser and not post anything into the channel
[10:06] <fdoving> sure.
[10:07] <fdoving> sounds cool, i'd suggest a /set for the browser command.
[10:19] <_StefanS_> evening
[10:20] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I don't really care that much about life. Tell me :)
[10:21] <_StefanS_> nixternal: hey, in the past where you were reviewing hardware, do you know a good low profile northbridge cooler (for mini-itx, low profile case)
[10:22] <nixternal> _StefanS_: I think Zalman has a couple
[10:22] <nixternal> I was looking at Mini-ITX.com/org yesterday and noticed a Zalman, or a Zalman look alike on the northbridge
[10:22] <_StefanS_> nixternal: you dont happen to have that link, do you?
[10:23] <nixternal> can't say that I do..i was searching around the website looking at pics when I seen it
[10:23] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[10:23] <_StefanS_> nixternal: I'm not comfortable with 58 degrees celcius on my northbridge ;)
[10:23] <manchicken> nixternal: So are amd64 KDE4 binaries even in the work?
[10:23] <nixternal> wow, for an itx that sounds high
[10:24] <_StefanS_> nixternal: yes, I know :)
[10:24] <nixternal> manchicken: Riddell is working on something I believe...at least he said earlier...and the last time he did that they were amd64 :)
[10:24] <nixternal> hell, for a northbridge on any chipset that sounds high
[10:24] <nixternal> I have machines w/o a cooler and they aren't that high
[10:25] <manchicken> Ah.
[10:25] <_StefanS_> nixternal: its a compact environment ;)
[10:25] <manchicken> nixternal: Okay.  Sorry to be an annoyance, I just thought you had them :)
[10:25] <manchicken> nixternal: Are these in a bzr branch somewhere/
[10:25] <nixternal> manchicken: nevah an annoyance!
[10:25] <nixternal> yup
[10:25] <nixternal> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~nixternal/+junk/kde4/changes
[10:25] <nixternal> the debian files are right there
[10:26] <nixternal> libs needs some libdbus love though
[10:26] <nixternal> later!
[11:27] <_StefanS_> is adept borked in gutsy atm ?
[11:29] <Arby> in what way?
[11:30] <_StefanS_> Arby: "bad image index", The generated cache was invalid.
[11:30] <_StefanS_> dont know exactly what to do about that error..
[11:30] <Arby> not seeing that here and my system is up to date
[11:30] <Arby> what did you do to induce it?
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Arby: great.. must be some dependency stuff going on
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Arby: well I just updated to gutsy; didn't have any issues on another computer
[11:32] <Arby> hmm, not sure then, sounds a bit odd
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Arby: do you remember off hand what kind of dependencies adept needs ? I know there's some python in there..
[11:33] <Arby> I don't but I could find out if you give me a minute
[11:33] <_StefanS_> sweet
[11:34] <Arby> !pastebin
[11:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:36] <Arby> _StefanS_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29291/
[11:36] <Arby> that's the dependencies for adept-manager
[11:37] <_StefanS_> Arby: is it possible to see what needs to be set up if adept bails out on the normal run ?
[11:37] <Arby> I'm not sure what you mean
[11:38] <Arby> are you saying that when upgrading to gutsy that the upgrade failed with that message above?
[11:38] <_StefanS_> Arby: well maybe the dependencies are actually in the (unfinished) apt queue, but couldn't be set up due these probs with adept
[11:38] <_StefanS_> Arby: yes.
[11:38] <Arby> ah right, that's a bit evil
[11:39] <Arby> try 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[11:39] <Arby> that should force the configuration of any pending packages
[11:40] <_StefanS_> uhm it seems like adept ones are the only packages waiting to be set up
[11:40] <_StefanS_> funny thing is that adept-common installed fine
[11:41] <Arby> so which package specifically is it complaining about?
[11:41] <_StefanS_>  adept-installer
[11:41] <_StefanS_>  adept-manager
[11:41] <_StefanS_>  adept-updater
[11:41] <_StefanS_> in that order
[11:42] <Arby> hmm, not sure really have you tried looking in the logs for clues?
[11:43] <Arby> maybe it's a real bug
[11:43] <fdoving> do they fail during setup? as in the maintainer scripts?
[11:43] <_StefanS_> well now it specificially complains about broken packages
[11:44] <_StefanS_> fdoving: yes , post-removal, post-inst scripts
[11:44] <fdoving> _StefanS_: try to sh -x the scripts, see what fails.
[11:45] <_StefanS_> fdoving: hate to ask stupid questions, but where should the scripts be at ? /var/cache/apt/* or inside the specific source packages for adept-* ?
[11:46] <fdoving> _StefanS_: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst
[11:46] <fdoving> or .postrm .prerm .preinst and so on.
[11:46] <fdoving> sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst configure
[11:47] <fdoving> will give you some info.
[11:47] <_StefanS_> its a gtk-update-icon-cache that gives me that image errors
[11:47] <_StefanS_> uhm great..
[11:47] <fdoving> you can comment that line out from the script, if you don't care about it and just want it to install.
[11:48] <_StefanS_> ok
[11:48] <fdoving> i need to go, good luck :)
[11:48] <_StefanS_> thanks :)


[00:12] <shtylman> evand1: you around?
[00:12] <evand1> shtylman: for a few more minutes.  What's up?
[00:12] <shtylman> I was looking at your gtk code for the slideshow...
[00:12] <shtylman> you have a if not os.path.exists(...)
[00:13] <shtylman> isn't the not spurious?
[00:13] <shtylman> or am I missing something?
[00:13] <shtylman> just figured I would share...cause I couldn't understand why it was there (...apart from disabling the slideshow completely)
[00:14] <evand1> ah, that is an error.
[00:14] <evand1> thanks for the catch
[00:14] <shtylman> no prob
[00:18] <CIA-33> ubiquity: evand * r3343 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[00:18] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Correct erroneously inverted test for the slideshow slides. Thanks
[00:18] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Roman Shtylman.
[00:19] <shtylman> :)
[09:02] <^arky^> Hi,  Wondering if anyone had a look at Launchpad bug 405898  "[karmic] Orca skips Ubiquity panel content" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/405898
[11:59] <evand1> cjwatson: I just spoke with the QA team and they have an automated UI testing framework (http://mago.ubuntu.com/LiveCDTesting http://mago.ubuntu.com/) up and running for ubiquity, but they would like some basic tests.  My suggestion would be for them to test a regular "next, next, next" install, a partition resizing install, and a preserve home install.  Is there any elements of the UI, or any cases you'd like to add or remove from that list?
[11:59] <evand1> They can also test the state of the filesystem post-install.
[12:02] <evand1> unfortunately, I don't think you can currently test cairo with LDTP, otherwise I'd also suggest making sure the time is correct, and correctly formatted.
[12:08] <cjwatson> we could probably test cairo if we added the right a11y hooks ...
[12:10] <cjwatson> honestly what you said sounds like a great start, I'd rather not overload them until they get the basics going and we're actually using their output
[12:17] <davmor2> guys I'm just running a quick test of live over an lvm server install,  Only options available in partitioning is whole drive and manual is this correct?
[12:19] <cjwatson> sounds right
[12:19] <cjwatson> I wouldn't expect anything else since it wouldn't understand the insides of the LVM
[12:22] <davmor2> cjwatson: that's okay then.  I was just double checking it was correct :)
[12:33] <CIA-33> partman-base: cjwatson * r164 ubuntu/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merge from Debian 133
[12:34] <CIA-33> partman-base: cjwatson * r165 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 133ubuntu1
[12:36] <CIA-33> partman-partitioning: cjwatson * r711 ubuntu/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 69
[12:37] <CIA-33> partman-partitioning: cjwatson * r712 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 69ubuntu1
[15:56] <eeejay> is there an open bug for SegmentedBar[Slider] not being accessible? can't find it
[15:57] <eeejay> and where should ubiquity bugs go? ubuntu/+source/ubiquity, or simply ubiquity?
[16:02] <davmor2> eeejay: is this the slider for partitioning if so it almost on the right hand side of the screen.  If you in vm it might be harder to see than on a really system
[16:03] <eeejay> davmor2: sorry, i meant not being accessible via at-spi
[16:03] <davmor2> ah now it makes more sense :)
[16:06] <cjwatson> eeejay: ubuntu/+source/ubiquity please
[16:10] <eeejay> cjwatson: thanks
[16:22] <davmor2> cjwatson: are you guys having issues with network-manager after todays upgrade?
[16:26] <cjwatson> davmor2: apparmor bug, see #ubuntu-devel
[16:27] <cjwatson> (probably)
[16:27] <cjwatson> davmor2: bug 408862
[16:29] <davmor2> cjwatson: that is indeed the one many thanks
[18:16] <Tiki342> hi all,  i have an itronix lx260 laptop that has a built in leadtek gps unit.  does anyone know how i can get linux to recognize it and interact with gpsdrive?
[22:52] <gausie> hi all. my ubuntu 9.04 install freezes just as the loading bar starts. i removed "quiet" and changed "splash" to "nosplash" on the boot line, and now i can see that the process stops at "Mounting root filesystem", specifically at the line "tulip 0000:00:0c.0: PCI INT A -> Link[LINKA] -> GS 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
[22:52] <gausie> any suggestions?
[22:54] <CIA-33> ubiquity: superm1 * r3345 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py): For automatic mode, don't use an unreferenced local variable.


[14:53] <hugotty`> Hi there, I have a raspberry pi 4 running ubuntu 21.04. Is it possible to somejow
[14:54] <hugotty`> install ubports as a desktop environment on top of my existing install?


[06:42] <cannabis_indica> How do you install ubuntustudio ubuntu 1904 standard gnome install without xfce? Which packages?
[06:42] <cannabis_indica> How do you install ubuntustudio into ubuntu 19.04 standard gnome install without xfce? Which packages?
[06:44] <cannabis_indica> And hello and thank you for all the hard work that is put into ubuntustudio. I'm just not an xfce person. I want studio in gnome.
[06:45] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer
[07:04] <cannabis_indica> Eickmeyer: Thank you very much. Perfect!
[15:53] <jubo2> Thanks. Ubuntu Studio is awesome. I tried some years ago to get jack up and conffed, but didn't get it to a working state. Now I can run Adroud with jack and also Rosegarden is automatically hooked up to replay captured midi with fluidsynth
[15:54] <jubo2> Before I never got Rosegarden and Ardour up with jack, so thanks
[16:05] <cannabis_indica> Can anyne point me to the package name for the snd-hda-intel [ HDA Analayzer ? ] some pin rerouting utility?
[16:05] <jubo2> Tuning a guitar, even with a meter used to be challenging. Then I got an app that plots in time the measurement and these days I can tune a guitar and not even take half afternoon
[16:06] <OvenWerks> cannabis_indica: hdajackretask
[16:06] <cannabis_indica> OvenWerks: Thanks
[16:06] <OvenWerks> cannabis_indica: it is included in Studio
[16:14] <cannabis_indica> I see it. thanks
[16:15] <cannabis_indica> well, I have a CS4206  cirrus and 4.0 sound. usually I have control of all 4 fron and rear... now the frons are not playing , but, they show up in all the sound and qjackctl, just no sound. I can even control rear and front from alsamixer but no sound out of the front speakers.
[16:15] <jubo2> I should probably learn to play a song that someone else would also recognize. Can't do F or even Fm, because my index finger does not seem to barré. Having 011 strings prlly contributes, I ordered up some 010's 009's for the electric and a ton of single E strings in all gauges
[16:16] <jubo2> So friend got me a version of Knocking on Heaven's door that does not have Fm at all
[16:17] <jubo2> "Everybody" says that's the easiest for trying to play an actual song.
[16:18] <OvenWerks> jubo2: glad you are enjoying things. I agree light string (extra light?) are a good starting point for learning bars. The fingers will strengthen with time.
[16:18] <jubo2> OvenWerks: I also ordered up a nailon string guitar, strap and strap lock :)
[16:18] <jubo2> and a "gig bag" lol
[16:23] <jubo2> My 2005 M-Audio MobilePre USB sound card depreciation period is now going on 14-yrs and still going. Bought a USB mic though.. I hear I can plug those into the Jack patchbay and suddenly I have 3-track
[16:24] <OvenWerks> I have a nylon stringed guitar as well as steel and an electric...The nylon string used to be my dad's
[16:25] <OvenWerks> you can add a USB mic if you are using ubuntustudio-controls to run jack, yes.
[16:27] <jubo2> I don't want my steel string to ever be destroyed. It is very a very nice guitar. I invested the last money of my student loan .. kinda hard to exchange an Ibanez for more drinks at the club
[16:28] <jubo2> But in the summer time it is nice to have a guitar outside .. I have friends that can actually play one lol
[16:29] <jubo2> and don't worry about the student loan: paid in full
[17:11] <wonko> OvenWerks: 100% stable running with qjackctl
[17:12] <wonko> something happened at 06:05:02 this morning that caused xruns on everything but besides that there hasn't even been any of those.
[17:12] <wonko> So basically it's entirely your fault. :)
[17:31] <jubo2> What is the go-to solution in Ubuntu Studio for adding a little echo to a track to give the vocals some body?
[17:31] <jubo2> I think it is echo I want, not sure though..
[17:35] <Eickmeyer> You might want a delay plug in, such as the Calf vintage delay.
[17:39] <jubo2> Eickmeyer: Thanks. Found it.
[17:40] <cannabis_indica> OvenWerks: I ran hdataskreset, rebooted, all my troubles are gone. Thanks again for a job well done.
[17:40] <cannabis_indica> full on 4.0 audio
[17:42] <jubo2> Eickmeyer: But what would be a solution to alter a track after it has been recorded?
[18:02] <OvenWerks> jubo2: effects bus in Ardour.
[18:02] <scriptwarlock> good morning
[18:03] <OvenWerks> wonko: xruns were probaly from apt... in the auto upadte run from cron.
[18:03] <OvenWerks> wonko: next thing is to try running jack with jack_control.
[18:03] <scriptwarlock> i have a high usage in irq/17-rt+ 81
[18:04] <scriptwarlock> %
[18:04] <wonko> just jack_control start?
[18:04] <scriptwarlock> running ubuntu studio 19.10 beta
[18:06] <scriptwarlock> running ubuntu studio 19.10 beta and i have a high usage in irq/17-rt+ without any app open except terminal
[18:06] <wonko> OvenWerks: Ok, started. Let's see what happens
[18:08] <jubo2> OvenWerks: Thanks... I'm looking at the Ardour manual and discourse on it. It is like a patchbay, just within Ardour?
[18:08] <jubo2> I mean the service discourse
[18:11] <jubo2> Thanks once again people. Ubuntu Studio on Kubuntu is really nice for my hobbyist needs
[18:24] <OvenWerks> gone already...
[18:25] <OvenWerks> wonko: jack_control is what controls uses internally.
[18:27] <OvenWerks> jubo2: Ardour can use jack or straight alsa. But for buses it always does internal routing. It is like an aux channel in a hardware mixer. A little bit from your prerecorded track can be sent to a bus that just has an effect in it
[18:27] <wonko> Hmm, the 19.04 installer is being weird in a VM
[18:28] <OvenWerks> I like the dragonfly reverb... but it is not included in Studio yet as it has not had a first release (or just has).
[18:28]  * OvenWerks has never used a VM...
[18:29] <wonko> I'm trying to see if I can't figure out where the upgrade to 19.10 went so terribly wrong
[18:29] <OvenWerks> wonko: when you did the up grade did you have the ubuntustudio backports ppa turned off?
[18:29] <wonko> but if it's not going to let me install 19.04 that's kinda hard to do. :)
[18:30] <wonko> OvenWerks: I don't think so, no
[18:30] <OvenWerks> :)
[18:30] <OvenWerks> wonko: Eickmeyer says that it should be turned off and some ppa purge command used
[18:31] <OvenWerks> (he has done it before, I haven,)
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> The command is literally "ppa-purge". sudo apt install ppa-purge
[18:33] <wonko> But would having the ppa enabled break the grub upgrade? You aren't touching that are you?
[18:34] <OvenWerks> It depends which packages there is one package that has a grub file in it yes.
[18:34] <OvenWerks> It allows the choice at boot time between low latency and generic kernels if both are installed.
[18:35] <OvenWerks> It also makes sure the latest lowlatency kernel is always default even if there is a newer generic kernel installed
[18:36] <OvenWerks> That file is different for 19.10 than it was for 19.04 and so there may have been a copy of the 19.10 version in the PPA
[18:47] <Eickmeyer> IT would just go back to the default.
[18:47] <wonko> weird that it would have jammed things up like that though


[09:25] <nammn_de> manadart: morning, want to go with another cr? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11088 i renamed the files as you suggested
[09:26] <manadart> nammn_de: I will look today if I get the chance. Got meetings/CI/Release stuff blocked out for a big chunk.
[09:26] <nammn_de> manadart: ahh sure
[09:26] <nammn_de> manadart: its ci day so nvm
[09:28] <manadart> Need a review for LXD dep update: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11126
[13:00] <intrepidsilence> Hi all
[13:00] <intrepidsilence> i have a system with a very broken juju so i removed the snap with a  --purge
[13:00] <intrepidsilence> has that gotten rid of everything or are there some files that I should go delete before trying to reinstall and configure everything from scratch
[13:03] <rick_h> intrepidsilence:  you can check .local/share/juju/* and see if there's anything there
[13:03] <rick_h> intrepidsilence:  with it being the snap make sure you're looking in your snap tree around that
[13:03] <rick_h> intrepidsilence:  but should be ok
[13:06] <intrepidsilence> rick_h thx
[13:11] <intrepidsilence> looks like there may be stuff in .cache, too
[13:54] <intrepidsilence> ok
[13:54] <intrepidsilence>  i am having crazy problems
[13:54] <intrepidsilence> i just did a new bootstrap of juju
[13:55] <intrepidsilence> now everything i try except status gives me some variation of saying that access to https://x.x.x.x:8443/1.0 is forbidden
[13:55] <intrepidsilence> the IP is the IP of the bridge
[14:23] <intrepidsilence> ok, i figured out that issue - needed my local bridge vlan in juju-no-proxy in config.yml when bootstrapping
[14:23] <intrepidsilence> now i have another issue
[14:23] <intrepidsilence> how can i set a static IP on the juju controller
[14:24] <intrepidsilence> lxc config device set does not work as it does not see eth0 as a device for some reason
[14:24] <intrepidsilence> even though i see it in lxc list and when i login to the container
[14:54] <intrepidsilence> nm, set the proxy against <IP_ADDRESS> rather than needed a static IP
[16:11] <nammn_de> manadart: I just read your comment. This makes a lot of sense to me, thanks!
[16:11] <nammn_de> But
[16:11] <nammn_de> ah no but
[16:11] <nammn_de> thanks!
[16:37] <nammn_de> manadart: around for quick ho?
[16:44] <manadart> nammn_de: Gimme 10 mins. Just feeding kids.
[16:44] <nammn_de> manadart: sure gimme a ping if you are ready
[16:56] <manadart> nammn_de: In DAILY
[17:36] <nammn_de> manadart: I also mocked subnets and spaces instead of using apiservertesting.fakespaces and fakesubnets. Wdyt?
[17:41] <nammn_de> now everything is built on mocks in the spaces_test for the new suite