[00:07] <seidos> hi everybody
[00:07] <seidos> well that figures that the list would bounce an email from an unregistered account
[00:07] <seidos> i had to do it to find out though
[00:08] <seidos> just heard about a hackathon @ UCLA this 10/27
[01:49] <seidos> anyone else watching Colbert?  loving the purple tie
[02:24] <DarkwingDuck> kdub_: ping
[06:50] <bkerensa> pleia2: What do you use for twitter ;)
[06:53] <pleia2> bitlbee and my phone
[06:55] <bkerensa> oh ok
[06:55] <bkerensa> pleia2: Well I run OpenBox now so I need to find a new client
[06:55] <bkerensa> :(
[06:55] <pleia2> oh, and the image posts I do via email to flickr
[06:55] <bkerensa> TweetDeck is not working out so well with OpenBox
[06:55] <pleia2> I run seesmic web on my 2nd desktop to view twitter and facebook
[06:56] <pleia2> and g+ gets it's own browser window because it's interface automagically updates without clicky clicky (ahem, twitter!)
[06:56] <nhaines> bkerensa: use gwibber?
[06:57] <bkerensa> nhaines: :P not working
[06:57] <bkerensa> :)
[06:57] <pleia2> bkerensa @ gmail, si?
[06:57] <bkerensa> hmm?
[06:57] <bkerensa> yeah gmail for personal stuffs
[06:57] <bkerensa> :D
[06:57] <pleia2> your email address
[06:58] <pleia2> sending you a picture
[06:58] <bkerensa> k
[06:58] <bkerensa> nhaines: I'm giving Crunchbang a spin :) apparently OpenBox on Ubuntu does not work so well due to the release cycles
[06:58] <pleia2> twitter, facebook, g+, respectively
[06:58] <bkerensa> :D
[06:58] <pleia2> try fluxbox, it actually has an active maintainer in debian
[06:59] <bkerensa> crunchbang does :)
[06:59] <pleia2> ah, good
[06:59] <bkerensa> in fact the crunchbang guy used to have crunchbang as a ubuntu base but the release cycles were to fast for him to handle :)
[07:00] <pleia2> distros that base on LTS are smart
[07:00]  * bkerensa is using Crunchbang on his FreekBox for the lightweight.... Xubuntu failed me so idk :P
[07:00] <pleia2> Day changed to 28 Sep 2011 :(
[07:00] <pleia2> my alarm is going off in 7 hours
[07:00] <bkerensa> ooo
[07:00] <bkerensa> time for bed?
[07:00] <bkerensa> :D
[07:00] <pleia2> yeah, Xubuntu isn't what you want for lightweight
[07:01] <bkerensa> pleia2: Well I just dont want Unity
[07:01] <pleia2> bright side, it's the 28th now, so now I can say my birthday is tomorrow \o/
[07:01] <bkerensa> :P
[07:01] <bkerensa> and KDE is not my thing
[07:01] <pleia2> but two more sleepies before birthday
[07:01] <bkerensa> idk I'm being radical lately when it comes to usage :P
[07:02]  * bkerensa has formatted his desktop and laptop likely 10 times in two months
[07:02] <pleia2> my desktop evolution went evolution (16) > fluxbox > xfce4
[07:02] <bkerensa> keep trying to find something that is not using Unity but still Debian or Ubuntu based
[07:03] <pleia2> at this point I think I've used xfce4 longer than any other windowing interface thing ever
[07:03] <bkerensa> pleia2: I guess I could just run LPS?
[07:03] <pleia2> LPS?
[07:03] <pleia2> you swim laps, not run them
[07:03] <bkerensa> http://www.spi.dod.mil/lipose.htm <-- Lightweight Portable Security
[07:03] <bkerensa> :D
[07:04] <pleia2> lol
[07:04] <bkerensa> the DOD decided to release a distro
[07:04] <bkerensa> :P
[07:04] <bkerensa> and made their ISO's public
[07:04] <pleia2> yeah, they've been pretty outspoken about their open source documents and push lately
[07:04] <pleia2> it's pretty cool
[07:04] <bkerensa> maybe the gov will save money
[07:04] <bkerensa> :D
[07:04] <bkerensa> instead of pouring billions into licensing
[07:04] <bkerensa> :D
[07:05] <bkerensa> pleia2: What is your thoughts on Xubuntu 11.10?
[07:05] <bkerensa> Any major changes?
[07:05] <pleia2> it uses xfce 4.8 which is muy shiny
[07:05] <pleia2> (upgrade from 4.6)
[07:05] <pleia2> oh wait
[07:05] <pleia2> 11.10
[07:05] <pleia2> no, not a huge jump from 11.04
[07:07] <pleia2> switched to lightdm with the rest of ubuntu, changed some of the defaults
[07:07] <bkerensa> pleia2: Why does Maverick seem more lightweight then Natty (Classic)
[07:07] <pleia2> regular Ubuntu?
[07:07] <bkerensa> indeed yeah
[07:07] <bkerensa> I noticed Natty (Classic) seems to consume more CPU then Maverick
[07:07] <pleia2> I don't know
[07:08] <bkerensa> hmm
[07:08] <pleia2> gnome runs all kinds of background stuff and always gets bigger, who knows
[07:08] <bkerensa> yeah
[07:08] <pleia2> I am giving an Ubuntu 11.10 talk in Philly in a couple weeks because I figured "if I'm going, I might as well give a talk!" when did I become this person? I need to write a talk
[07:09] <bkerensa> well ttyl sleep time :D
[07:09] <pleia2> night bkerensa
[07:09] <pleia2> I should do the same, I have a degraded raid array to deal with in the morning :(
[07:09] <bkerensa> or perhaps my excuse is reformatting so I gotta go to bed :P
[07:12]  * pleia2 wanders toward beed
[07:12] <pleia2> bed too!
[07:13] <pleia2> night everyone
[07:13] <nhaines> pleia2: good night!
[07:56] <bkerensa> nhaines: my desktop almost exploded
[07:56] <bkerensa> :(
[07:57] <bkerensa> That was intense
[07:57] <bkerensa> =o
[07:57] <bkerensa> something wicked happened to my CPU fan
[07:57] <bkerensa> I smelled melting plastic then I heard my cpu fan and power supply fan start going super loud and fast
[07:57] <bkerensa> :P
[08:14] <nhaines> bkerensa: that's what you get for running GNOME3!  :P
[17:32] <raevol> check out a project i am involved with: www.openmw.org
[17:42] <nhaines> It is possible that this page is not suitable for visiting in a work environment.
[17:45] <akk> I tend not to click on random links that show up with no more explanation than "check this out" anyway.
[17:45] <akk> I figure if it's interesting enough to check out, it's interesting enough to merit a description of what it is.
[17:54] <raevol> it's an open source reimplementation of the morrowind game engine
[17:54] <raevol> i'm not sure why it would be nsfw, other than being game related
[17:54] <raevol> thanks for the incredibly hostile response guys, love this community a lot
[17:55] <pleia2> raevol: we don't know you very well and it's common for people to use IRC to spam malicious links, I didn't click it either
[17:56] <pleia2> just next time tell us what it is :)
[17:56] <raevol> a simple "what is this?" would do though, rather than implying i'm some kind of creep or spammer
[17:57] <TheTinker> i've been alternately labeled a creep and a spammer (not here) and i don't even do that
[17:57] <TheTinker> such is irc
[17:58] <pleia2> one of the private servers I work on even has a kickban spam filter on the regex with "check out $link"
[17:58] <raevol> every other irc channel i frequent is more welcoming and understanding than this one, maybe i just have really good luck with irc
[18:19] <nhaines> raevol: I clicked on the link and my company's content filter blocked it.
[18:20] <nhaines> raevol: that doesn't put me on a "list" with HR (I think) but I've worked for other companies that are absolutely fanatical about that kind of thing.
[18:25] <raevol> nhaines: if your company has a content filter, you probably shouldn't be on irc, or clicking random links, even if they aren't nsfw
[18:29] <nhaines> raevol: meanwhile, I don't access IRC from my company's network and when I open "random" links they're on a secured secondary computer.
[18:30] <raevol> nhaines: secured, but still subject to your company's content filter?
[18:30] <nhaines> Yes.  All computers connected to the network are subject to the content filter.
[18:30] <raevol> e_e
[18:31] <nhaines> I don't know what you think "secured" means, but in this instance it means a different system with a different OS and minimal work-related data.
[18:31] <pleia2> raevol: I'm sure no one meant to be unwelcoming, I'm sorry that we've given that impression
[18:32] <raevol> pleia2: no worries, sorry if i am a little touchy
[18:32] <nhaines> raevol: I didn't give a warning in-channel because your link was "bad" (I have no way to know this yet), I did it because some people work for tyrants.  :)
[18:33] <raevol> yea... i think common sense would dictate to not use IRC nor do any non-work related web browsing if your employer filters or tracks your web usage
[18:33] <raevol> but then again, common sense is increasingly rare these days
[18:34] <nhaines> My company doesn't really care what I do when I'm on break but they still don't want me playing games or streaming media at any time.
[18:35] <raevol> cool
[18:36] <pleia2> it really depends on the company, I don't think it's fair to put that all under "common sense" and accuse people of not having common sense if their work environment varies
[18:38] <pleia2> meh, hot again today, I'm ready for summer to be over in SF now
[18:38] <pleia2> (looks like it'll cool down this weekend)
[18:38] <raevol> it's finally getting cloudy in san diego
[18:39] <pleia2> does san diego have summer weather at the normal summer time?
[18:39] <raevol> yea
[18:39] <pleia2> san francisco's July-Aug is cold, Sept-Oct is hot thing still weirds me out
[18:39] <raevol> san diego has summer weather most of the year
[18:40] <raevol> october-march has a little bit of clouds and rain
[18:40] <raevol> interspersed with more summer weather
[18:40] <pleia2> I think we got rain in january, but mostly we don't have weather, it's just in the 50s all the time
[18:41] <pleia2> but 80s today, and no AC in my condo :(
[18:41] <pleia2> and I work from home
[18:42] <akk> It's so weird how SF is as hot as SJ this summer.
[18:42] <akk> (just got to 80 here)
[18:42] <pleia2> last september was worse, got over 90!
[18:43] <pleia2> hit 100 in the mission one day, we all thought we were going to die :)
[18:44] <raevol> simple-scan has crashed every time i've tried to save this document
[18:44] <raevol> and i have to rescan it every time it crashes
[18:44] <raevol> about to smash my head into the wall
[18:44] <raevol> wish i could find a good windows scanning utility
[18:44]  * akk has pretty good luck in ubuntu with xsane-gimp
[18:44] <pleia2> maybe try xsane?
[18:45] <raevol> gonna try windows pciture viewer :P then i won't have to transfer it anyway
[19:49] <kdub> hey greg-g, move from michigan? :P
[19:50] <pleia2> yeah, we need to stop stealing people from other locos
[19:51]  * kdub considers applying for membership a third time...
[19:52] <kdub> pleia2, is that still done be an america's regional board?
[19:53] <kdub> also, the first too times i've been rejected for being too developery
[19:53] <kdub> but from reading the guidelines for 'developer membership', i don't think i should apply for that
[19:53] <pleia2> kdub: if you're an ubuntu developer you want to go through the dev membership board: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard
[19:53] <pleia2> ah ok, I don't remember your application for some reason
[19:53] <kdub> i'm not exactly an ubuntu /developer/ though, like  MOTU
[19:54] <pleia2> care to share a link to your wiki page? I can offer some suggestions if needed
[19:54] <kdub> oh, it was back when the michigan team was my home team, a few years ago :)
[19:54] <kdub> pleia2: thanks, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KevinDuBois
[19:56] <pleia2> kdub: this app actually looks pretty good, might want to add some future goals though
[19:56] <pleia2> and testimonials are always good :)
[20:00] <kdub> yeah... would you mind adding a testimonial? :)
[20:03] <pleia2> I'm on the board so I can't
[20:03]  * bkerensa is likely going to defer applying for membership another month
[20:03] <bkerensa> :P
[20:03] <pleia2> ask other people though :)
[20:04] <bkerensa> Was too busy to put my application together
[20:04] <bkerensa> :D
[20:04] <bkerensa> and I got another convention
[20:04] <bkerensa> :(
[20:04] <kdub> ok
[20:04] <bkerensa> plus I start teaching Ubuntu classes in couple weeks at the FreeGeek Community Center :P
[20:04] <bkerensa> so maybe by January :D
[20:11] <nhaines> I am happy because I have ramen.
[20:12] <nhaines> I forgot to pick up forks while I was in the cafeteria (I wasn't eating ramen there) but my chop sticks will have to do.
[20:12] <nhaines> In other news, I printed some audit cheat sheets I use to take notes while listening to calls and Ubuntu Light > Times New Roman.
[21:34] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: I finally found a shipping tube big enough for this crazy banner!
[21:34]  * pleia2 was getting ready to wrap the thing in bubblewrap and plastic and hope for the best
[21:44] <raevol> pleia2: is that for libertopia?
[21:49] <pleia2> raevol: yep, we're sending down the banner and tablecloth
[21:50] <raevol> sweet, i'll hopefully be helping with that, i need to chat with DarkwingDuck
[22:11] <DarkwingDuck> What's up?
[22:11] <DarkwingDuck> OH right, banner
[22:13] <pleia2> tried container store, a few office supply stores, USPS, a couple small fedexes, finally found a BIG fedex office that had the 4ft tubes :)
[22:13] <pleia2> I'll get it packed up tonight
[22:14] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[22:16] <DarkwingDuck> Well, there are two nominations up for leadership.
[22:16] <pleia2> yeah, us
[22:16] <pleia2> hehe
[22:16] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[22:55] <nhaines> Does the leadership team plan to suspend elections again if there are less than 4 nominations?
[22:56] <DarkwingDuck> We did last time when we only had three...
[22:58] <DarkwingDuck> well, rather, if there are three then there will be no elections, the three will assume the position.
[22:58] <pleia2> yeah, it's what I've done in other ubuntu teams, just a casual "if people have problems with these nominees, please speak up, otherwise they are the three"
[22:58] <pleia2> haven't really hand problems with it, edubuntu did a confirmation vote once
[22:58] <DarkwingDuck> However, if there are only two... I'm not sure what then.
[22:58] <nhaines> What does the leadership team plan to do if there are less than three nominees?
[22:59] <pleia2> we'll have to extend the nomination period
[22:59] <DarkwingDuck> Into UDS season. Woot.
[22:59] <pleia2> (the community council has had to do this a few times too)
[23:00] <DarkwingDuck> Hopfully there is al least one person who wants to do it.
[23:00] <DarkwingDuck> s/al/at
[23:28] <greg-g> kdub_: indeed :) Moved out here a few weeks ago
[23:31]  * DarkwingDuck rubs eyes
[23:31] <DarkwingDuck> This weekend is going to be insane.
[23:32] <DarkwingDuck> My aunt and cousin are going to be here for the weekend. I think this is their second time visiting San Diego
[23:33] <pleia2> I'm flying to a memorial service in phoenix :\
[23:33] <DarkwingDuck> :(
[23:33] <pleia2> but I'll get to see a lot of family I haven't seen in a while
[23:33] <raevol> DarkwingDuck: what's the leadership team for?
[23:33] <DarkwingDuck> raevol: What one?
[23:33] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[23:33] <raevol> the one that there's only 2 people nominated
[23:34] <DarkwingDuck> Ahh, the Loco Leadership
[23:34] <raevol> for ca?
[23:34] <DarkwingDuck> Yes
[23:34] <raevol> huh, i see
[23:34] <DarkwingDuck> wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Leadership
[23:35] <iheartubuntu> sorry pleia2
[23:35] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: sorry?
[23:35] <DarkwingDuck> raevol: pleia2 and myself are running for re-election.
[23:35] <iheartubuntu> sorry to hear the news
[23:35] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: oh, thank you
[23:35] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: my uncle and I weren't close, but I am with his wife and other family, mostly going to be there for them
[23:35] <raevol> i see, i see
[23:39] <iheartubuntu> enjoying the cooler nights here in LA
[23:39] <iheartubuntu> easier to sleep :)
[23:39] <iheartubuntu> soon there will be ubuntu logos dancing in my head
[23:40] <raevol> 20 minutes
[23:40] <raevol> guess i'll pack up now


[10:10] <Walex> OK, thanks for that. For Mercurial the equivalwent is the Mozilla central repo.
[11:59] <bzrboy> hi guys, how do i set a bidirectional mirror between a git repo and a bzr repo
[12:09] <jelmer> hi bzrboy
[12:13] <jelmer> bzrboy: I'm not sure that's possible yet.
[12:13] <jelmer> It might be possible with fastexport/fastimport somehow
[12:13] <jelmer> bzr-git has some preliminary support but that's explicitly disabled in the code at the moment.
[13:06] <bzrboy> jelmer: thanks
[13:06] <bzrboy> sorry for the delay, i was trying to figure it out
[13:52] <Hamled> Is it possible to convert a lightweight checkout into a heavy checkout?
[13:58] <spiv> Hamled: IIRC 'bzr reconfigure --checkout' will do that
[14:05] <Hamled> thanks
[18:04] <Noldorin> hi. i've deleted a certain plugin from my plugins directory, but every time i run bzr it still complains about loading it as if it were there.
[18:04] <Noldorin> how can i resolve this?
[18:07] <vila> Noldorin: 'bzr plugins -v' should tell you where bzr finds it
[18:07] <Noldorin> vila, it's not listed there i'm afraid, only the error
[18:07] <Noldorin> Unable to load plugin u'tfs' from u'C:/Program Files/Bazaar/plugins'
[18:08] <vila> Try to have a look at .bzr.log
[18:35] <mgz> vila: was about to tell you I'd worked out why maverick wasn't showing results, but... the most recent run didn't fail
[18:35] <mgz> did you poke pyjunitxml already?
[19:19] <Silasle> What does this mean? http://paste.ubuntu.com/485080/
[19:22] <Silasle> Or an better question what's the problem? It has worked before but then i removed all my settings (~/.*) and since then it doesn't work.
[19:22] <cody-somerville> Silasle, you probably need to do bzr launchpad-login <your-lp-id>
[19:22] <cody-somerville> replacing '<your-lp-id>' with your launchpad id
[19:22] <cody-somerville> and oh my
[19:22] <cody-somerville> you did rm -rf ~/.*?
[19:22] <Silasle> I have done that
[19:23] <cody-somerville> you probably deleted your ssh key!
[19:23] <Silasle> And where is this saved?
[19:23] <cody-somerville> you'll need to generate a new one (or if you already did that), upload it to launchpad
[19:23] <cody-somerville> ~/.ssh/
[19:24] <Silasle> That was the problem, i just had to copy my old one from the backup.
[19:24] <cody-somerville> :-)
[19:24] <Silasle> Thanks cody-somerville!
[19:24] <cody-somerville> Silasle, No problem! :)
[19:28] <Silasle> And then the next problem: bzr: ERROR: Working tree "/home/silas/Dropbox/python/player/" has uncommitted changes (See bzr status). Use --no-strict to force the push.
[19:29] <Silasle> Oh, not that
[19:29] <Silasle> That one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/485086/
[19:31] <cody-somerville> Your branches have diverged.
[19:31] <cody-somerville> You probably need to merge in changes someone else has made.
[19:32] <cody-somerville> See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information.
[19:32] <Silasle> I have looked at that
[19:34] <Silasle> Ok, now i solved the problem by just downloading it again and replacing the modified file.
[20:14] <hno> Is there anyone looking into bzr on Python 2.7?
[20:22] <mgz> I've filed a bunch of bugs, which I'm gradually working through.
[20:22] <mgz> see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bugs?field.tag=python2.7
[20:23] <hno> mgz: Thanks. Already know that list.
[20:24] <mgz> is there anything else you're concered about?
[20:24] <mgz> +n
[20:26] <hno> mgz: Not really, besides having to support bzr on Python2.7..  Anything I can do to help?
[20:28] <mgz> well, mostly things just need descisions about how to resolve version compat issues
[20:29] <mgz> but actually the top bug that you've already commented on might be an interesting one to tackel
[20:31] <mgz> ...I can't spell this evening
[20:31] <hno> Yes, was thinking the same. Just wanted to check first as I do not know xmlrpclib at all, and not entirely fluient in python in general.
[20:32] <hno> the second one is beyond me. can't judge what implications changes there may have on bzr.
[20:35] <mgz> yeah, I'm not sure either, I'll probably just put up a mp to pull out the hacks entirely and see if anyone squeaks
[20:36] <vila> mgz: huh ? What job are you referring to ?
[20:36] <mgz> the first should just be case of comparing the code in bzrlib.transport.http._urllib2_wrappers with the 2.7 changes
[20:36] <mgz> vila: http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-maverick/26/ - but after I looked at it again I think it might be because of this: http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-maverick/26/testReport/junit/bzrlib.tests.test_conflicts/TestResolvePathConflict/test_res________________________________________/
[20:37] <mgz> so, the whole thing died off before the test that was breaking the xml generation was reported or something maybe?
[20:39]  * vila on phone
[20:39] <mgz> not urgent, and I'll probably be eating soonish
[20:42] <vila> mgz: hmm, possibly
[20:43] <mgz> anyway, I'll fix pyjunitxml to not break (it's yet another not-handling-unicode-properly issue)
[20:43] <vila> mgz: but selftest-maverick is for bzr.dev, not your branch nor your testtools branch either...
[20:44] <vila> mgz: ha great !
[20:45] <mgz> it could actually break on not python 2.7 as well, but depends on the test failure output
[20:46] <vila> I'm expermienting some weird random failures on gentoo, things like 'lost connection while parsing test success' or something, that may be related
[20:48] <vila> expermienting... sounds like pippermint, that gives a pleasant taste to the experiment ;)
[20:52] <mgz> oo, I remember something else I wanted you for vila
[20:53] <mgz> can you confirm bug 625594 for me?
[20:53] <mgz> I think it will also be wrong with --parallel=fork but might be mistaken
[20:54] <hno> How do I add/checkout a workingtree in an existing branch pushed to me?
[20:55] <mgz> `bzr reconfigure --tree` I think
[20:56] <hno> Thanks. Seems to work. What is needed to update the tree in future after next push?
[20:56] <vila> mgz: I'm pretty sure i've never seen any correct timing there but it never itch enough either
[20:57] <mgz> thanks vila, just wanted to check it wasn't something I'd screwed up locally
[20:57] <vila> mgz: it would be nice if you're write since it may explain why all tests timings are 0 on babune, which I thought was hudson related
[20:57] <vila> s/write/right/ (how the hell did I make this typo...  Thought push didn't update the tree.
[21:00] <vila> hno: it doesn't update the remote tree (unless "remote" is on a local filesystem)
[21:00] <hno> right. bzr update does.
[21:01] <hno> all good. Thanks.
[21:58] <hno> mgz: The first one seems to be a case of pathing around urllib2 to make it behave for bzr use rather than fixing it proper.


[21:25] <guntbert> foxlover: then you know more than I do -- never heard of them
[21:25] <shadows090> lxsys: Inernal error occured : java.io.EOFException :/ nothing immediately apparent to me after googling it
[21:25] <shadows090> lxsys: internal*
[21:25] <foxlover> I'm already rebooted my system, but it still showing nothing in the Trash :|
[21:25] <qweqwe> mnemon: i want to open it in debug mode
[21:26] <foxlover> *I
[21:26] <blain> i don't experience that with kde
[21:26] <lxsys> shadows090: have you done an integrity check on the installer?
[21:26] <guntbert> foxlover: anyway the trash folder on the desktop only shows the one in your homedir
[21:26] <shadows090> no i have not, but i was on the final stage when my computer over heated (i believe) and promptly shut off. now the installer (i downloaded a new one) only gets me to the third phase (out of approx 7 or 8)
[21:27] <foxlover> guntbert: Ermm, here the Trash button it's telling that have 11 items in its label... My own trashcan (~/.local/Trash/files) have only 1 file
[21:27] <shadows090> lxsys: * sorry, i forgot to address the above message to you
[21:27] <mnemon> qweqwe: just compile and gdb <binary> ?
[21:27] <TheFaioli> Hmmm, looks like I modified some of my kernel modules. How do I roll back to the vanilla generic kernel?
[21:28] <AutumnAi> I have a problem with my dual boot Toshiba NB205. I'm running Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.04. When I tried to update the linux-image from 2.36.32-21 to 2.36.32-23, I get errors dropping me down to shell. It's a boot issue and I can't screenshot the error. Any help?
[21:28] <guntbert> foxlover: as I said I've never seen that - sorry
[21:28] <blain> AutumnAi boot with the older kernel
[21:28] <foxlover> guntbert: np ;~ // tks anyway ;)
[21:28] <AutumnAi> blain, that's what I'm doing now as a workaround until I can figure out why it's doing that.
[21:28] <shadows090> AutumnAi: would it be possible to write down the error the old fashion way?
[21:29] <foxlover> The main problem is that the trash:// address isn't showing any files
[21:29] <blain> AutumnAi can you provide more info?
[21:29] <tuxsbro> I am trying to get this pos working but the intel gfx is fucked.  I installed the 2 ppas here and installed the packages and nothing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
[21:30] <lxsys> shadows090: hmmm... have a go at deleting the folders and stuff, the freenet installer should put the back in an intact state, then try rinning the installer
[21:30] <AutumnAi> shadows090, blain, I'll have to reinstall the package and write it down or take a picture, but I guess.
[21:30] <idlemind> any advice on ubuntu 10.04 lts with apache running seperate (custom) php.ini files based on virtual host
[21:30] <finemann> hi, which is a better way to download ubuntu? http or torrent (in the context of latest release)
[21:30] <blain> AutumnAi less /var/log/messages
[21:30] <scriptwarlock> fineman: torrent
[21:30] <shadows090> lxsys: thank you a lot for your help. i actually just finished deleting and reinstalling. everything worked perfectly (i was just about to respond again).  thanks man. have a good one
[21:31] <AutumnAi> blain, Huh?
[21:31] <finemann> scriptwarlock: is it updated?
[21:31] <lxsys> i've got a Matrox Milennium G400 card  (dual header) and I can't seem to get ubuntu to recognise the seccond output. any ideas???
[21:31] <scriptwarlock> fineman: its the latest
[21:31] <Loshki> finemann: in principle, torrent will be faster. In practice, try one, and if it's too slow, try the other...
[21:31] <blain> AutumnAi what?
[21:31] <duffydack> lxsys, thats a really old card?
[21:31] <tuxsbro> CAN ANYONE HEAR ME!!?!?
[21:31] <blain> tuxsbro no
[21:31] <kyle_> on the application CPU monitor, you can set the cpu to 2 GHz .  what does this do?
[21:31] <AutumnAi> blain, I don't understand what you meant by less /var/log messages?
[21:31] <tuxsbro> why wont anyone help me
[21:32] <KevinM> Could I ask a question about Ubuntu Wubi installs here?
[21:32] <mnemon> tuxsbro: with what?
[21:32] <TheFaioli> I recompiled modules and did an update on the kernel image. How do I roll back to the 2.6.32-22-generic?
[21:32] <blain> AutumnAi check the logs for problems?
[21:32] <tuxsbro> Can someone help me, I have a intal gxf card and it is going to a black screen when X starts, I used the alternate installer to install ubuntu, here is lspci: http://pastebin.com/6aGavPqV
[21:32] <tuxsbro> I am trying to get this pos working but the intel gfx is fucked.  I installed the 2 ppas here and installed the packages and nothing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
[21:32] <FloodBot2> tuxsbro: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:32] <wick94> guys is there a way to delete all the gnome panels in ubuntu
[21:32] <lxsys> !language | tuxsbro
[21:32] <tuxsbro> oh NOW you read it
[21:32] <AutumnAi> blain, I've been trying to use the forums to figure out the issue. I'm not terribly familiar with where to find all the info, so here I am..
[21:33] <yigal> if my wireless device isn't listed with lspci nor ifconfig is this most likely an acpi issue, or something?
[21:33] <Loshki> tuxsbro: it can take a while before Someone Who Knows about your issue comes online in this group. You can repeat your question every 15 minutes or so until someone responds (or you get tired of asking)...
[21:33] <Scunizi> tuxsbro: if nobody knows the answer they will not answer.. ask later when different people come in
[21:33] <h00k> !patience
[21:33] <lxsys> duffydack: yeah, it's 1998/1999 I think.
[21:33] <blain> AutumnAi then you might get helpby following suggestions that are given to you
[21:33] <willwork4foo> Hi all
[21:33] <blain> hi ben
[21:33] <wick94> guys is there a way to delete all the gnome panels in ubuntu
[21:33] <harrison> quit
[21:34] <AutumnAi> blain, which have been so far, more info to help better, and what I'm doing now, which is using an earlier package.
[21:34] <willwork4foo> does anyone know if it's easily do-able to get temperature sensors working in Ubuntu Netbook Edition?
[21:34] <KevinM> When upgrading to 10.04 LTS in a Wubi install what options do I pick for grub-pc? I'm afraid of overwriting Window's bootloader
[21:34] <blain> AutumnAi check your logs for issues
[21:34] <scriptwarlock> wick94: what for
[21:34] <AutumnAi> blain, through terminal?
[21:34] <blain> yea
[21:34] <wick94> scriptwarlock i want to delete all the panels
[21:34] <AutumnAi> okay, thanks...let's see what I can find.
[21:34] <yigal> KevinM: make sure to not choose erase everything option
[21:34] <codeshah> are there any libraries that will read date / time [including in human readable] and convert to UTC properly?
[21:34] <blain> KevinM mbr?
[21:35] <scriptwarlock> wick94: right clik and remove
[21:35] <yigal> KevinM: mbr
[21:35] <scriptwarlock> wick94: delete this panel
[21:35] <KevinM> yes
[21:35] <KevinM> it just has a list of partitions
[21:35] <wick94> scriptwarlock i cant delete the top panel, i doesnt let me
[21:35] <KevinM> there is no erase everything option
[21:35] <Error404NotFound> is there a way i can mark a partition to be fdisk'ed on next boot?
[21:36] <scriptwarlock> wick94: just wondering why would you like to
[21:36] <yigal> KevinM: hmm, choose "largest free space" not sure of the wording
[21:36] <wick94> scriptwarlock coz i m using the awn lucido theme and i dont need the panel anymore
[21:36] <TheFaioli> ok, I went to synaptic and marked 2.6.32-22-generic image for reinstallation.. let's hope this will do the trick.
[21:36] <scriptwarlock> wick94: ah the top and the buttom panel?
[21:36] <yigal> KevinM: It won't erase your Windows partition if you do that
[21:37] <J4ckst3r> Hello,
[21:37] <douglasawh-work> ok, I may have figured this out.  I think ubuntu has a way to watch multiple locations and Fedora does not.  When you watch more than one the options show up...I think
[21:37] <wick94> scriptwarlock i want to delete the top panel (the one tht has the menu etc etc)
[21:37] <J4ckst3r> Do you have any advice on installing windows after ubuntu?
[21:38] <lxsys> J4ckst3r : have an ubuntu livecd ready to reinstall grub
[21:38] <xangua> J4ckst3r: better to do the oposite always, prepare to reinstall grub
[21:38] <scriptwarlock> wick94: what options does it have when you right clik
[21:38] <J4ckst3r> I guessed that.
[21:38] <KevinM> yigal, I mean I still would like to keep my Windows mbr
[21:38] <yigal> J4ckst3r: if you have the live cd it will be fine
[21:38] <KevinM> so if I uninstall Wubi, it'll be ok
[21:38] <scriptwarlock> wick94: theres a "delete this panel"
[21:39] <yigal> KevinM: I'm not sure, if you don't want grub to take over that is.
[21:39] <douglasawh-work> my Fedora and Ubuntu plugins are the same.  Does the Ubuntu Music Store plugin make that dual folder watching possible?
[21:39] <wick94> scriptwarlock yes there is a "delete this panel" bt it's disabled
[21:39] <J4ckst3r> I might just use windows in a virtual machine
[21:39] <KevinM> yigal, Yes. I would like grub to only start when I select "Ubuntu" from the main loader. Like it does now.
[21:39] <yigal> J4ckst3r: what do you want Windows for? gaming, word?
[21:39] <guntbert> !enter | J4ckst3r
[21:39] <lxsys> i've got a Matrox Milennium G400 card  (dual header) and I can't seem to get ubuntu to recognise the seccond output. any ideas???
[21:40] <Loshki> Error404NotFound: you mean fsck'ed (not fdisk'ed) right?
[21:40] <icebreaker> goodnight
[21:40] <icebreaker> and thanx for everything
[21:40] <TheFaioli> nite icebreakder
[21:40] <TheFaioli> -d
[21:40] <Ddorda> hey, where can i download Ubuntu + unity interface?
[21:40] <yigal> KevinM: "main loader"?
[21:41] <hephaestus> hey, does anyone know the user 'blackboy'?
[21:41] <adhyexz> what this xbomb ubuntu ???
[21:41] <D-coy> o/
[21:41] <TheFaioli> Any idea why reboot and shutdown don't work after 9.10->10.04 update
[21:41] <ubuntu_> hi, my laptop takes 20 minutes to start up (before a login screen is shown).. and is very slow. I also hear the harddrive working (doing something) .  Could this be faulty hardware?
[21:41] <ubuntu_> i hear it grind/grind/grind/tick/tick/grind/grind/tick
[21:41] <ubuntu_> (the harddrive)
[21:41] <Ego_Proctor> I have an older dell machine that I am trying to change hard drives in.  I am getting a "Cover was previously removed" warning.  It won't let me enter setup.  Does anyone know how to turn this off?
[21:41] <scriptwarlock> wick94: this is how you restore your panel
[21:41] <yigal> ubuntu_: sounds more like a module conflict, does windows work better?
[21:42] <Loshki> adhyexz: I thought xbomb was a 'minesweeper' game with squares, hexagons or triangles....
[21:42] <scriptwarlock> wick94: gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
[21:42] <ubuntu_> windows? i have had ubuntu installed for a couple of years.. worked fine until recently
[21:42] <scriptwarlock> wick94: hope you know wat ya doin
[21:42] <wick94> k tnx
[21:42] <TheFaioli> ubuntu_: what are the laptop specs and what ubuntu version are you trying to use?
[21:42] <adhyexz> version 10.4
[21:42] <thune3> ubuntu_: maybe check dmesg or /var/log/syslog for i/o errors on your disk.
[21:43] <MSTP> hi all
[21:43] <xerox1> hi, i have bought an old used hauppage tv card; seems to be an saa 7146a; lspci finds the card, but i am not sure, if the card has enough power; it is only pluged in via pci-e; how to determine that?
[21:43] <TheFaioli> Any idea why reboot and shutdown don't work after 9.10->10.04 update ?
[21:43] <yigal> My wireless device isn't listed with lspci nor ifconfig any ideas on getting wireless working?
[21:43] <MSTP> I have a question related to SMTP-Vilter.  The default Windows one.
[21:44] <ubuntu_> it's a dell laptop and the latest ubuntu version
[21:45] <KevinM> yigal, Where you select "Windows" or "Ubuntu" in a list
[21:45] <adhyexz> I am very confused using ettecap-ng can ask please give a good site to use ettercap-ng ???
[21:45] <Spamicles> i use a toshiba copier at school to print from my desktop that runs ubuntu. when I print in windows, we've got a department code that we have to enter each time we print. i dont get a similar pop-up in ubuntu with the similar driver installed. is there an console/lp command where I can enter the code? like lp -password 12345 ?
[21:45] <adhyexz> I am very confused using ettecap-ng can ask please give a good site to use ettercap-ng ???
[21:45] <bcx> Hey, quick question
[21:45] <scriptwarlock> laplatadonna: want to installer?
[21:45] <bcx> is there a way to set environment variables
[21:45] <blain> export ?
[21:45] <bcx> that take effect before the rc.d scripts get run
[21:46] <MetalGeek_N00b> Any networking gurus, i have a problem
[21:46] <yigal> KevinM: sorry I primarily use Ubuntu so I don't think I can help you with this question.
[21:46] <KevinM> yigal, that's ok. Thank you for your help
[21:46] <Daekdroom> Is there any other IM client integrated to the indicator applet other than pidgin and empathy?
[21:46] <kassah> how do I have pitivi record what's in front of my webcam?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> MetalGeek_N00b: just make sure the IPs are in the same subnet and they can ping each other, network achieved
[21:47] <blain> Daekdroom kopete?
[21:47] <Loshki> bcx: which variables, and to achieve what, exactly?
[21:47] <jesterr> dircproxy test please ignore
[21:47] <guntbert> Daekdroom: xchat notifies too
[21:47] <Daekdroom> blain, written in GTK+, for that matter o.o
[21:47] <Daekdroom> guntbert, yeah, but it's an IRC client only.
[21:47] <foxlover> (Using Ubuntu 10.04 with all updates) My Trash problem: there was an directory with invalid encoding in it's name in one of the trash directories... It was causing the Trash to not show anything ... There was a bug here... Hope anyone can fix it soon.
[21:47] <blain> why? nosense
[21:47] <bcx> Things like PATH
[21:47] <kassah> for that matter... how do I configure my webcam?
[21:47] <CrayonOfDoom> When installing xenomai, it says i need to know the path to my target kernel sources, is that /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-23?  Or is it something obtained elsewhere?
[21:47] <erUSUL> !webcam | kassah
[21:47] <guntbert> Daekdroom: right
[21:48] <bcx> Loshki:  things like PATH, and a few specific variables for our setup
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> kassah: run: lsusb   one line will identify the webcam, search for its 8 character hex id
[21:48] <SauLus> is there a problem with the windows 7 bootloader when I install ubuntu 10.4 64 as the second os?
[21:48] <bcx> The sort of things you'd set in a .bashrc
[21:48] <bcx> but I want them set globally on boot.
[21:48] <duffydack> ubuntu_,  Ive had ubuntu installed on 5 different dell laptops, never had an issue
[21:48] <guntbert> jesterr: please don't test in here , use #test
[21:48] <MetalGeek_N00b> No ping
[21:48] <ikonia> SauLus: you can't use the windows boot loader for ubuntu
[21:48] <ikonia> SauLus: you need to use grub
[21:48] <MetalGeek_N00b> Lost all 5 packets
[21:48] <erUSUL> !dualboot | SauLus
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> SauLus: if you install ubuntu 2nd the dual boot will be handled
[21:48] <lychee2> hi there - 10.04 - are there any tricks to building modules?
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> MetalGeek_N00b: are you pinging by ip or name?
[21:49] <dancrew32> is there a way to turn on automatic logging for terminal?
[21:49] <MetalGeek_N00b> ip
[21:49] <SauLus> ty ActionParsnip
[21:49] <Loshki> bcx: usually those things are set in user's shell profiles e.g. /etc/bashrc ...
[21:49] <ikonia> lychee2: nope, should be straight forward
[21:49] <TheFaioli> MetalGeek_N00b: How are they connected?
[21:49] <bcx> Loshki:  Yea, but I need them to be in the rc environment, when init scripts are run
[21:50] <blain> dancrew32 history?
[21:50] <MetalGeek_N00b> Ad-hoc, Wireless dongles
[21:50] <MetalGeek_N00b> Two of them
[21:50] <MetalGeek_N00b> One box Ubuntu 10.04 work
[21:50] <MetalGeek_N00b> one XP SP3
[21:50] <MetalGeek_N00b> Both have networked fine under XP
[21:50] <erUSUL> bcx: what are you tryin to do ?
[21:51] <lychee2> anyone seen this when compiling a mod & installing it under 10.04?
[21:51] <lychee2> [20523.054261] hello: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout
[21:51] <lychee2> root@mediabox:/home/sean/k#
[21:51] <dancrew32> blain, if I log out, does history go away?
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> lychee2: why are you compiling as root?
[21:51] <blain> no
[21:51] <ghis|home> Hi, i have a Radeon 5770 and just installed ubuntu... i cant watch video... the cpu rises to 100% and the video lags... same problem in VLC and totem... i have installed the ati catalyst drivers... is this a known problem?
[21:51] <lychee2> its just a temp box i have
[21:51] <bcx> erUSUL:  I have a bunch of environment variables that our daemons rely on. I want to set these environment variables in one place, system-wide on boot
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> MetalGeek_N00b: have you defined the IP addresses?
[21:51] <MetalGeek_N00b> Can i make my network dongle scan for networks under ubuntu
[21:51] <MetalGeek_N00b> yes
[21:51] <lychee2> none of the mods i build, insert on it
[21:51] <bcx> erUSUL:  before the /etc/rc.d scripts are run
[21:52] <dancrew32> blain, where do you suppose history is stored on file?
[21:52] <erUSUL> bcx: why not set them in the daemons init script ? where is launched ?
[21:52] <erUSUL> bcx: why not set them in the daemon's init script ? where is launched ?
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> MetalGeek_N00b: sudo iwlist scan
[21:52] <blain> dancrew32 cat ~/.bash_history
[21:52] <MetalGeek_N00b> IP <IP_ADDRESS>, Sub <IP_ADDRESS>, Gateway <IP_ADDRESS> on linux box and <IP_ADDRESS> on win
[21:52] <ghis|home> Even irc lags... it seems like i have no graphics acceleration from the graphics card?
[21:52] <dancrew32> blain, you win at life. thanks
[21:53] <bcx> erUSUL: I launch a few daemons, and I'd rather just set it once also, the script we have that sets ENV takes a second or so to run since does some tricky things.. ideally I'd just like to run a script one time before the rc scripts, that sets ENV for all following RC scripts
[21:53] <Maletor> Why do I get this error from find?
[21:53] <Maletor> http://pastie.org/1043092
[21:53] <ikonia> lychee2: looks like that module may not be compatible with the current kernel
[21:53] <Maletor> Could it have to do with the spaces in the filename?
[21:54] <deltree_> hello. im looking for a jolicloud help chat. can anyone help me?
[21:54] <erUSUL> bcx: set the vars in a file you source from all the init scripts? the truth is that i do not think there is a place to set those vars if you look into /etc/init.d/ scripts you will see that they all set up the env in the beggining including PATH and all the stuff
[21:55] <bcx> I could understand it if there was one daemon, but sometimes we have as many as 10 or so
[21:55] <slidinghorn> deltree_ have you downloaded/searched a channel list?  not really a good topic for here
[21:55] <bcx> Where does PATH get set for the first time?
[21:55] <alket> is it possible to clone ubuntu with CloneZilla and use it in another computer with different hardware ?
[21:56] <deltree_> im sorry. would setting up a static ip be the same for ubuntu as jolicloud? if so i can stay here
[21:56] <CrayonOfDoom> i need to know the path to my target kernel sources, is that /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-23?  Or is it something obtained elsewhere on the disk/online?
[21:56] <MetalGeek_N00b> Just double checked setings as well.
[21:57] <slidinghorn> !clone | alket
[21:57] <bcx> hmm.. looks like /etc/environment might do it
[21:57] <alket> slidinghorn, i think thats not about clonezilla
[21:57] <MetalGeek_N00b> I keep hearing the name Samba
[21:58] <slidinghorn> alket, no, it's not..but it *is* the recommended way to clone a machine
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> alket: you can use partimage to clone from partition to partition
[21:58] <erUSUL> bcx: checked with #bash god's and i was right. there is no way to set up env for the shell that runs the init scripts. every init script has to do it by itself. Youre best chance as i already said is to writte a single source file with the env you want and source that file from the other scripts.
[21:58] <erUSUL> bcx: "help source" in a terminal
[21:58] <J11> deltree_: There seem to be a #jolicloud on freenode, just type /join #jolicloud
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> alket: as well as make a compressed image of a partition for storage
[21:58] <alket> ActionParsnip, but I need it to work in diffrent machine with diffrent hardware would it be problem
[21:59] <MSTP> I have a question related to SMTP-Vilter. Has anybody managed to install this under Ubuntu 10?
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> alket: will be fine dude, you can do it in a live cd environment so the partition isnt mounted
[22:00] <MetalGeek_N00b> The Xp machine cant see the linux box or visa versa im not sure
[22:00] <yigal> My wireless device isn't listed with lspci nor ifconfig any ideas on getting wireless working?
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> yigal: does it show with: sudo lshw -C network    ?
[22:01] <foxlover> >>> Please, anyone, take a look at this: Execute this in terminal > php -r "mkdir(utf8_decode('$HOME/Desktop/áéíóú'));" <, trash this directory and check if your Trash show its contents. Here it isn't showing, I guess it's bugged
[22:02] <ghis|home> I have a Radeon 5770 and everything lags.. irc lags when someone writes... i cant watch video... i cant scroll a webpage with flash content... i have the latest catalyst drivers installed... can someone help me?
[22:02] <yigal> ActionParsnip: no :(
[22:02] <Loshki> bcx: I notice /etc/init.d/rc sets and exports PATH, and I think all the rc*.d scripts are run from inside it, so you could try adding env vars there, but I prefer erUSUL's solution...
[22:02] <foxlover> The PHP code is the way I found to create a directory with invalid encoding ;)
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> yigal: is it a laptop? Is there a switch to turn the wifi off and on?
[22:03] <Dennis> How do I restore my USB
[22:03] <ikonia> Dennis: restore you usb ?
[22:03] <yigal> ActionParsnip: yes the light can be switched on and off, but it change the OS detecting the wireless card.  It worked before an upgrade today.
[22:03] <Dennis> Yes, they act as power only. I can't get them to function, for external drives.
[22:03] <yigal> ActionParsnip: excuse me, "doesn't change the OS detecting ..."
[22:04] <chobuntu> Hi
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> yigal: boot the system with the switch on. may help
[22:04] <ikonia> Dennis: is there a filesystem/data on them ?
[22:04] <yigal> ActionParsnip: sounds reasonable, I'll give it a try, thank you
[22:04] <CrayonOfDoom> using a netboot of 10.04, when passing the location of the preseed file, which directory does "preseed/file=" start looking in for the preseed.conf?
[22:04] <Dennis> Yes, Flash drives and an exernal TB
[22:04] <ikonia> Dennis: what file system is on them ?
[22:04] <yigal> ActionParsnip: I'll even throw in a good old depmod -a
[22:05] <warl10ck> hi all
[22:05] <Dennis> I can't remember, it's been so long. System crashed, and after a reinstall, none worked, except to give power to external fans and lights.
[22:06] <knxville> Anyone experianced large spacing between tray icons? (Gnome) And anyone fixed it?
[22:06] <warl10ck> can any one help me with emerald settings in ubuntu? it doesn't changes appereance
[22:06] <erUSUL> !emerald
[22:06] <ikonia> Dennis: how confident at you with linux ?
[22:06] <blain> knxville no problem here in kde
[22:06] <warl10ck> thanks...
[22:06] <Random832> how do i make qt apps respect my cursor size setting?
[22:07] <Dennis> It's Ubuntu, so it's not rocket science.
[22:07] <ikonia> Dennis: ok, can you please remove the usb disks, and tail the syslog please
[22:07] <Dennis> version 9.10
[22:08] <C-S-B> is there anyway to connect to 2 wifi APs with 2 wifi cards and bond to 'double' bandwidth or load balance?
[22:08] <blain> sure C-S-B
[22:08] <Dennis> nothing is connected, because it locks up the starting system.
[22:08] <C-S-B> blain, easily?
[22:08] <blain> like creating a bond
[22:09] <C-S-B> blain, how so?
[22:09] <ikonia> Dennis: ok - so tail the syslog
[22:10] <Dennis> ok, that's one I'm not familiar with
[22:10] <ikonia> Dennis: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog
[22:12] <Dennis> it's rolling, and there seems to be a lot of Bus Busy Wait
[22:12] <plbogen> I have a Ubuntu install that i want to exatly duplicate on five other machines with identical hardware. What is the easiest way to accomplish this?
[22:12] <s3r3n1t7> !clone
[22:12] <bihari> mark u there?
[22:12] <ikonia> Dennis: that's annoying, not a good start, normally that should be static
[22:13] <Dennis> is there a way to bypass this?
[22:13] <ikonia> Dennis: bypass it ?
[22:13] <ikonia> Dennis: it's a log file
[22:13] <bihari> MaRk-I ? u there
[22:13] <s3r3n1t7> ikonia, it sounds like he means to filter it
[22:13] <plbogen> s3r3n1t7: thanks, but I really do mean "exactly replicate" I need more than just the packages.
[22:13] <ikonia> bihari: there is no-one called mark-i logged in
[22:14] <heatmiser> can someone explain to me how to get a dual monitor set up going. I use an ATI card, and have the hdmi cables (just switched to ubuntu yesterday)
[22:14] <ikonia> plbogen: take dd images of the disks if they are all identical
[22:14] <Dennis> this is one hell of a long file.
[22:14] <s3r3n1t7> plbogen, you could take dd images
[22:14] <bihari> ikonia thanks :p
[22:14] <ikonia> Dennis: yes, can you pastebin a little please so we can have a beter look
[22:14] <bihari> may be he is not online now ikonia
[22:15] <madmax_x> hey can someone help me with vnc
[22:15] <Dennis> Jul 13 17:14:58 localhost kernel: [37452.781903] usb 1-8: USB disconnect, address 111
[22:15] <plbogen> hrmm... the hard part is storing an 80gb dd image. what is the state of the art for ghosting? Is it still g4l
[22:15] <s3r3n1t7> madmax_x, why not ask and find out.
[22:15] <s3r3n1t7> !pastebin
[22:15] <duffydack> plbogen, clonezilla
[22:15] <osmosis> what is "committed" memory?
[22:15] <s3r3n1t7> plbogen, quite literally, just dd. it works fine
[22:16] <erUSUL> plbogen: fsarchiver; partimage; clonezilla ....
[22:16] <madmax_x> i have remote desktop setup on <IP_ADDRESS> running ubuntu 10.04
[22:16] <Svendbenno_> Hey, i got a quick question. If you get an application in a zip file, where would you store the application? The home directory, or somewhere else?
[22:16] <madmax_x> when i tryto connect with my laptop i get a black screen
[22:16] <ikonia> Svendbenno_: totally up to you
[22:16] <duffydack> s3r3n1t7, dd a whole 80gigs?  a little crazy
[22:16] <Dennis> Jul 13 17:16:16 localhost kernel: [37530.802569] vc032x: check sensor header 2c
[22:16] <mgolisch> the builtin vnc server never worked for me
[22:16] <Svendbenno_> i know :P It's just want to know what you prefer
[22:16] <blain> Svendbenno_ /opt
[22:16] <ikonia> Dennis: please use a pastebin
[22:16] <s3r3n1t7> duffydack, you wanted to replicate the system into the smallest detail. Then yes, dd is what would get you that result.
[22:16] <Electra32> hi i need some advice what the best free web proxy i dont want to use tor just something else do u know any good program etc i could use ???
[22:16] <knxville> Anyone experianced large spacing between tray icons? (Gnome) And anyone fixed it?
[22:17] <ikonia> Svendbenno_: what I prefere is not important, where you want and can use it is important
[22:17] <madmax_x> Electra32, 4chan.org
[22:17] <k1ng> http://i30.tinypic.com/14shd29.png
[22:17] <k1ng> devilspie terminal window is getting on top of other terminal
[22:17] <ikonia> Electra32: squid
[22:17] <k1ng> can anyone tell me how to fix it?
[22:17] <blain> squid
[22:17] <duffydack> s3r3n1t7, dd is a bad option dude.. other methods do the job just as good with less overhead
[22:17] <ikonia> madmax_x: that's not an application
[22:17] <blain> s3r3n1t7 dd
 is squid difficult to use?
[22:17] <madmax_x> i know
[22:17] <ikonia> madmax_x: so why say that ?
[22:17] <Dennis> paster
[22:17] <Dennis> pasted
[22:18] <ikonia> Electra32: errr, it's easy once you understand the config file
[22:18] <blain> s3r3n1t7 you also got lvclone
[22:18] <madmax_x> because 4channers use proxies all the time
[22:18] <s3r3n1t7> duffydack, "exactly replicate" includes free space and everything. It's not what I want, it's the question you asked. If you have a better solution, go for it.
[22:18] <ikonia> Electra32: for just web proxying, it's pretty straight forward
[22:18] <madmax_x> trollin
[22:18] <s3r3n1t7> blain, i did not ask the question.
[22:18] <ikonia> madmax_x: please don't
[22:18] <duffydack> s3r3n1t7,  I never asked a question.
[22:18] <blain> ok sorry about that s3r3n1t7 won't happen again
[22:18] <s3r3n1t7> duffydack, "What is the easiest way to accomplish this"
[22:19] <duffydack> s3r3n1t7, fraid not.
[22:19] <plbogen> I asked the question... I don't need to copy the free space... I guess more detail is in order.
[22:19] <krzysztof> how can i boost my microphone in ubuntu??
[22:19] <duffydack> s3r3n1t7,    <<plbogen> hrmm... the hard part is storing an 80gb dd image. what is the state of the art for ghosting? Is it still g4l>
[22:19] <s3r3n1t7> duffydack, my bad. misread
[22:19] <blain> plbogen is it a logical volume?
[22:19] <mgolisch> fsarchiver?partimage?
[22:19] <Dennis> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/463189/
[22:20] <mgolisch> or use those archivers that clonezilla uses they seem quite solid too
[22:20] <duffydack> s3r3n1t7, he wants a ghost like tool.. data only with compression is a much more modern method, dd afaic is a last resort thing.
[22:20] <istvan> pb1230
[22:20] <duffydack> just my opinion anyhow.. off to bed night night peeps
[22:20] <krzysztof> any idea?
[22:21] <ikonia> Dennis: that at least explains a bit, your USB bus is resetting constantly, which explains why your disks don't get auto mounted
[22:21] <s3r3n1t7> duffydack, I would go for package selection myself. The question he literally asked was that he wanted to "exactly replicate" which in my world also includes free space. Why? I wouldn't know.
[22:21] <mgolisch> i usualy just go with dd, its much easier to restore than filesystem images, especialy if lvm is involved
[22:21] <plbogen> I have 6 edubuntu boxes with users with profiles plus packages beyond the standard and sabayon and nessulus. I have completely set up one machine and I'm trying to find a way to replicated what I did on the first machine to the other five.
[22:21] <peeps[work]> night night duffydack
[22:21] <Dennis> Is there a way to fix this?
[22:21] <istvan> sry, wrong channel
[22:22] <Dennis> It used to work in 9.10, but when I went to 10.04 I had network issues, and 10.04 crashed. I reinstalled from 6.06LTS, and upgraded to 9.10
[22:22] <ikonia> Dennis: that's a tough one, it really depends "why" it's doing it (not stating the obvious) it could be poor support for that usb bus, a problem with the kernel module, a hardware failure, a lot of things really
[22:22] <factro> hello
[22:22] <plbogen> I suppose, I can just copy the /etc/sabayon, /etc/passwd, /etc/group and use the package list cloning...
[22:22] <factro> how do i change GDM in 10.4
[22:22] <ikonia> Dennis: from that short description, I'd "guess" a kernel update in 9.04 has introduced an issue with the driver
[22:22] <ikonia> factro: it's locked in 10.04
[22:23] <factro> is there no way to change it?
[22:23] <GregSimpleTech> salut tout le monde il y a t ilk des Francais ?
[22:23] <h00k> !fr | GregSimpleTech
[22:23] <ikonia> factro: it's totally locked
[22:23] <Dennis> so, upgrading to 10.04 would more than likely, fix it. Which in turn would kill my network.
[22:23] <factro> i manage to change wallpaper but other i could nt
[22:24] <knxville> Anyone experienced large spacings in the gnome notification area?
[22:24] <mgolisch> there is gdm2setup or something
[22:24] <factro> can anyone tell how to start skype in minimized mode??
[22:24] <mgolisch> but its only availiable in a ppa i think
[22:24] <Dennis> ikonia: I appreciate the help. You've gotten me further, and helped me to understand more than anyone else has, since this problem arose.
[22:24] <krzysztof> does anyone knows how to boost microphone in ubuntu??
[22:25] <nicofs> i need help controlling my cpu/fan speed. i can't seem to set that manually... i installed governor and (after that) powernowd - both don't work... as i'm using Xfce, i'd like to avoid KDE or Gnome tools...
[22:26] <GregSimpleTech> francais
[22:26] <factro> no one??
[22:26] <Dennis> Have a good day.
[22:27] <mgolisch> nicofs: what has that to do with your DE/WM?
[22:27] <bj0ng0> aaargh
[22:27] <mgolisch> tools like powernowd can only controll your cpu frequenzy if the userspace governor is selected
[22:28] <mgolisch> is this the case for you?
[22:28] <Electra32> can someone help me configure squid with opera or firefox?
[22:28] <nicofs> mgolisch: how do i find out?
[22:28] <mgolisch> all other governors manage cpu speeds automaticaly
[22:29] <dom_> ummm hello guys
 are u still here?
[22:30] <dom_> can any body tell what's the best chat prog?
[22:30] <Electra32> anyone know how to configure squid with ipera ?
[22:30] <Electra32> opera?
[22:30] <mgolisch> !best
 xchat
[22:30] <nicofs> mgolisch: i installed governor via synaptic and added the icon to the task bar... there i can click and set a mode - only in has no effect and seems to randomly reset itself to "performance"...
[22:31] <mgolisch> nicofs: something else might set it back
[22:31] <mgolisch> tried to set it manualy?
[22:32] <mgolisch> using the cpufreq sysfs interface?
[22:32] <nicofs> mgolisch: then i tried powernowd via comman line... it did show me the settings possible for my cpu - but when i set to conservative or even the specific MHz - no effect..
[22:32] <DJ_HaMsTa> i upped the CPU on my ubuntu machine from a 3400 amd to a 3800+ dual core, the thing wont boot the OS now.. any way to fix it ?
[22:32] <nicofs> mgolisch: "cpufreq sysfs interface" where would i find that?
[22:32] <mgolisch> DJ_HaMsTa: that should not matter realy
[22:33] <willwork4foo> hi all... does anyone here know much about modifying the brightness controls on netbooks? I am running UNE 10.04 on an Acer Aspire netbook, and when I press the button to increase / decrease the screen brightness it takes it 3 steps instead of one per button press.
[22:33] <mgolisch> DJ_HaMsTa: what does wont boot the os now mean? error messages?
[22:33] <willwork4foo> Any ideas on how to change this?
[22:33] <pepper_haze> man this sucks I screwed up my GTKrecord your desktop, I can no longer make videos with sound, which to me, means, I am not making any more videos for you tube
[22:33] <adam_> when i switch users do all my processes on the user im switching from pause until i relog back in?
[22:33] <DJ_HaMsTa> mgolisch, none.. just stays blank after the post.. let me try again
[22:33] <J11> DJ_HaMsTa: Did you overclocked it or upgraded it?
[22:33] <mgolisch> nicofs: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuX/cpufreq/ thats where the files are that can be used to control cpufreq
[22:34] <nicofs> willwork4foo: i think this is a know issue that has not been solved yet...
[22:34] <DJ_HaMsTa> J11, new chip
[22:34] <willwork4foo> nicofs, ah well at least it's a known issue - wonder when it'll be fixed :)
[22:34] <bsmith093> ok how do i get on this irc server through tor using pidgin
[22:35] <DJ_HaMsTa> mgolisch, J11, falce alarm.. a reboot did it lul
[22:35] <bsmith093> it sort of worked but i connectied to a german server and was immedaitely banned for some reason
[22:35] <Marioux> hi there
[22:35] <willwork4foo> OK, so my next n00bie question is - I've got lm-sensors installed and working, and I've installed sensors-applets as well - but I can't see a way to add the applet to the taskbar in UNE
[22:35] <Marioux> how are you guys?
[22:35] <mgolisch> DJ_HaMsTa: great
[22:35] <willwork4foo> the taskbar seems to be locked down tighter than a bankers underwear
[22:35] <adam_> if i switch users to a different user without logging out do all my processes pause until i log back in? and if so how can i prevent this from happening
[22:36] <mgolisch> why would they stop?
[22:37] <adam_> well this account isusing like 80% cpu when i switch users without logging out only 5%cpu is being used
[22:37] <nicofs> mgolisch: i think it starts to get complicated... in how far can these files help me/which do i modify... second: there are 2 cpus listed but i only have one... it's this N270 processor that's somehow connected to (emulates?) the GPU...
[22:37] <adam_> so im thinking its not running the stuff n the first user
[22:37] <rukubites> Hi there. I am having severe issues with a SATA Western Digital EARS Green Caviar disk. Does anyone have expertise with getting this guy working with Ubuntu/Linux?
[22:37] <fr0stbyte> why would i have a random ip connected to my port 22 (sshd) like 10 times..
[22:38] <mgolisch> nicofs: i guess the cpu supports hyperthreading, thats why it show 2 cpus
[22:38] <archlich> fr0stbyte, is it public facing
[22:38] <nicofs> mgolisch: on a netbook? intel N270 1,6GHz single core? i don't think so...
[22:38] <test34> How can we select 2 sound device output at the same time? e.g.: airport express and sound card  (it doesnt let me because it is radio boxes instead of check boxes in the Sound preferences - Output)
[22:39] <nicofs> mgolisch: but no matter how exactly that works - it doesn't help me manually set the speed...
[22:39] <archlich> nicofs, it's hypertghreaded
[22:39] <fr0stbyte> archlich: sorry what? its public, and someone from beijing china with a static ip.. umm maybe i should check my security? lol
[22:40] <mgolisch> set the governor to userspace then use the scaling_set_speed or whaverer its named to set the speed manualy
[22:40] <krey> Hi, I can here the microphone from the speakers but arecord only records some strange noise, can you help please?
[22:40] <mgolisch> dont have any linux box near me to try it
[22:40] <jon_> Hello!
[22:40] <willwork4foo> argh.... I am trying to add something to my gnome-panel in UNE, and it's totally locked down
[22:40] <willwork4foo> how do I unlock it?
[22:40] <nicofs> mgolisch: i guess on both cpus?
[22:40] <archlich> fr0stbyte, is that interface connected to the internet? expect random traffic
[22:40] <slidinghorn> willwork4foo, define "locked down"
[22:41] <archlich> nicofs, what's the issue?
[22:41] <jon_> willwork4foo, Right click > Tick the Lock To Panel so its unchecked
[22:41] <mgolisch> nicofs: i doubt a hyperthreaded virtual cpu actualy can have a different frequenzy
[22:41] <mgolisch> but no idea, id just try to set it on cpu0
[22:41] <nicofs> archlich: i'm trying to manually set my cpu speed... initially i had hoped for some sort of gui...
[22:41] <jon_> hmm
[22:42] <willwork4foo> no, that option itself is not there
[22:42] <archlich> nicofs, it's called cpu frequency scaling monitor
[22:42] <archlich> in gnome
[22:42] <willwork4foo> the entire top panel is set in stone in UNE
[22:42] <nicofs> archlich: im in Xfce
[22:42] <willwork4foo> meh - I have found a kludgy workaround
[22:42] <willwork4foo> this will have to do
[22:42] <fr0stbyte> here's a paste.. u think its just random or he actually made a connection? http://pastebin.ca/1900097
[22:43] <archlich> nicofs, the netbook remix is pretty good, you may want to consider it, i don't know of any gui utilities for xfce
[22:43] <archlich> fr0stbyte, this is the reason why firewalls are created to prevent the background radiation of the internet from turning your computer into a botnet
[22:43] <willwork4foo> brb
[22:43] <nicofs> archlich: i tried several, but none had any effect on the settings whatsoever - so i turned to CLI
[22:44] <archlich> nicofs, http://www.pantz.org/software/cpufreq/usingcpufreqonlinux.html maybe ?
[22:45] <kb9cmw> how do I delete my facebook account
[22:45] <Dr_Willis> kb9cmw:  see facebook.com ?
[22:45] <bsmith093> ok can someone walk me through  using irc + tor with pidgin
[22:45] <mgolisch> does cpufreq-info show your cpu supports frequency scaling at all?
[22:45] <Dr_Willis> bsmith093:  i think freenode dosent allow TOR connections any more.
[22:46] <kb9cmw> dr willis tu
[22:46] <neezer> I'm having a bit of a problem with a openVPN. can anyone here help me out a bit. I can't seem to connect.
[22:46] <bsmith093> ah well that makes sense any confirmation
[22:46] <Dr_Willis> !tor
[22:46] <bsmith093> thanks
[22:47] <sudoman> My laptop doesn't know when it's plugged-in. Also When it gets to 100% charge it slowly goes down to 95% and then back up again. I've got a PPC PowerBook G4. Any ideas of how to fix this?
[22:47] <mgolisch> neezer: whats the error message and whats your setup?
[22:48] <Dr_Willis> bsmith093:  check out -> http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor
[22:48] <sudoman> I had to add pmu_battery to /etc/modules to get the battery recognized at all...
[22:48] <melow01> is there a hardware irc chat? i have a question about a pci riser card
[22:48] <ams785> Hi. I'm running google chrome in ubuntu 10.04 and everytime I try to watch a flash video in fullscreen, the screen flickers the video just stops and appears to be broken. But if i refresh the page it reloads fine. Anyone know what the problem is?
[22:48] <iceroot> melow01: ##hardware
[22:48] <J11> bsmith093: You can still set up pidgin to use an ssh tunnel if you have need for it
[22:48] <melow01> iceroot, thanks
[22:49] <archlich> ams785, that's an adobe issue, there's a plugin for firefox that uses native vlc or mplayer for flash, check out FlashVideoReplacer plugin
[22:49] <neezer> mgolisch: the error says that the connection was not probided by any settings service.....when I go to the network config -> VPN connections
[22:49] <ams785> thanks archlich
[22:50] <iceroot> archlich: is it worth a try for youtube and kino.to?
[22:50] <mgolisch> neezer: sure the stuff you entered there is correct? i never use that networmnagager thing, it never worked for me
[22:50] <mgolisch> sudo openvpn /path/to/config.ovpn
[22:50] <mgolisch> :)
[22:51] <archlich> iceroot, youtube yes, never tried kino.to
[22:51] <iceroot> archlich: i will have a look, thanks for the info
[22:51] <nicofs> archlich: i know that might sound lazy, but can't i just have an icon in my task bar with the 3 modes my cpu supports?!?
[22:51] <rezzy> hey people
[22:51] <archlich> nicofs, sure, in gnome =p  what task bar do you use? it should be easy to script/iconify it
[22:51] <neezer> mgolisch, I'm not too sure...my server is a clearOS server, but it seems like to config would be on the client side. I really don't have any idea what I should have as far as a config is concerned, or even where it should be.
[22:52] <rezzy> anyone ever used a 3g dongle on linux before?
[22:52] <mgolisch> neezer: do you have any files to connect to it? usualy youll have a config file and certificates
[22:52] <M1AU> hi
[22:52] <archlich> rezzy, my friend has, not sure what he used though
[22:52] <M1AU> rezzy: I did
[22:53] <rezzy> how simple is it ?
[22:53] <rezzy> because im reinstalling a laptop tomorrow, and she has a 3g dongle
[22:53] <M1AU> rezzy: well, about 3 years ago it was as simple as installing a connection manager software
[22:53] <rezzy> plus i wont have no internet access whilst doing it
[22:53] <mattperry1976> I need help with BURG
[22:53] <rezzy> hmmmm
[22:54] <M1AU> rezzy: today, if it is supported like most Huawai sticks are, it's almost like sticking it in and it works
[22:54] <jjast73> !ask | mattperry
[22:54] <M1AU> rezzy: it's really easy as that
[22:54] <nicofs> archlich: maybe for you... the tutorial you sent me is already beyond my abilities... (yes i can copy and paste the code from there to a terminal here... but i tend to try and understand what i am doing...)
[22:54] <rezzy> plug and go ?
[22:54] <bsmith093> im on a network but i have the only tor computer, will everyone else on the network go through tor?
[22:54] <rezzy> well i could always take my laptop up to see if it works first
[22:54] <bsmith093> ps im behind a router
[22:54] <rezzy> i'm in the UK, so the dongle might be different .....
[22:54] <M1AU> rezzy: even my HTC Android phone works that way. Activating 3G sharing, pluging it in with USB and your Ubuntu box is online.
[22:55] <mattperry1976> BURG did not auto update after kernel update...now it just freezes and won't boot...how do I get to GRUB menu from BURG?
[22:55] <rezzy> are you using the newest ubuntu ?
[22:55] <archlich> nicofs, i dont have much experience with xfce, so im not sure how much help i can be
[22:55] <M1AU> rezzy: well, it's still all about driver support of the device I guess
[22:55] <M1AU> rezzy: yes
[22:55] <rezzy> agreed
[22:55] <neezer> mgolisch, it is pretty simple from what I read. the server system gave me options to download the key, the certification, and all that stuff. there was even a config file that I downloaded but it was a .ovpn file....i put them into /etc/openvpn after I did sudo apt-get install openvpn on the client.
[22:55] <rezzy> well, i could try the live cd plug it in and see if it works from there
[22:56] <rezzy> if it does install linux if not will be windows D:
[22:56] <nicofs> archlich: never mind, i'm thankful for any help to resolve some problems fom my great pile...
[22:56] <M1AU> rezzy: as I have an old Huawai E320 (I guess) and as said a HTC Hero with data sharing ability. Both work ootb.
[22:56] <mgolisch> neezer: what configuration did you do in networkmanagers vpn thing?
[22:56] <Yashy> Where can I ask something regarding mdadm? Can I shrink the size of an array in half without losing the data, so I can try a dual boot setup?
[22:56] <archlich> Yashy, make backups!
[22:57] <M1AU> rezzy: that should work, yes. I tried that once with a live cd and my phone...
[22:57] <rezzy> cheers, appriciate the help mate :)
[22:57] <M1AU> rezzy: you're welcome. I regularly don't stick around here very often though ;)
[22:57] <mattperry1976> how to get to grub menu from burg?
[22:58] <rezzy> well next time i need help i hope your on this x] hmmm what else could i ask u tehe
[22:58] <rezzy> is it possible to get windows live messanger?
[22:58] <M1AU> rezzy: well, there is amsn and the like
[22:58] <mmm4m5m> Hi. Any help will be appreciated. Few hours I am trying to find info - why my webcam does not work in firefox (adobe flash 10.0). Camorama does work - webcam viewer. Adobe flash say: cannot find camera. Any ideas? (I did try to update to flash 10.1, but no luck)
[22:59] <M1AU> rezzy: Emesene could also work
[22:59] <M1AU> that's the name of the program
[22:59] <jjast73> rezzy: empathy is a great msn chat client..have you checked it out/
[22:59] <rezzy> i'm using emesene atm, but seems like the webcam support is very buggy
[22:59]  * mmm4m5m I have no idea if my cam is v4l1 or v4l2 - I do not know how to check that
[22:59] <rezzy> tbh, empathy is very bland :/
[22:59] <M1AU> rezzy: I haven't seen Windows Live Messenger ever, so I'm not shure if it looks quite the same..
[23:00] <aguitel> anyone know why i cannnot copy to my pendrive some iso file with 4gb?
[23:00] <M1AU> rezzy: but chatting on the MSN network should work with that. Also, the default installed multi messenger Empathy also supports the MSN protocol..
[23:00] <adam_> my empathy randomly will say im logged in but not be logged in, and sometimes messages people send to me show up as me sending to them
[23:00] <mgolisch> aguitel: because its formated fat32? its max filesize is 4gb
[23:00] <rezzy> true, does empathy support webcam plus showing what music you listnen to ?
[23:01] <neezer> I just put in the gateway for the client which is <IP_ADDRESS> and then a username and password...the user and PW are correct and the user does have VPN priveliges on the server.
[23:01] <M1AU> rezzy: well, that's beyond my knowledge :)
[23:01] <aguitel> mgolisch, what format i need?
[23:01] <adam_> your msn client shouldnt be your music player it supports gchat video chat tho
[23:01] <rezzy> lol ok x)
[23:01] <M1AU> rezzy: but I don't think so
[23:01] <jjast73> rezzy: not every microsoft app feature is or will be put into a linux app. Unless you are a software dev type person and want to contribute to the opensource movement.
[23:01] <melow01> has anyone installed multiple pci cards into a pci card riser? do the jumpers provide power?
[23:01] <Alaric`> Quick networking question:  Brand new xubuntu 10.04 install on a Thinkpad R50.  My account has privileges to connect to wired and wireless networks (why that's off by default is beyond me).  The networking clearly WORKS, because Ubuntu tells me there are 160 updates ready to download, but refuses to connect to either wired or wireless networks, and I could ping the laptop on the liveCD.  Anyone
[23:01] <Alaric`> have any suggestions?
[23:02] <M1AU> rezzy: guess you're better off with amsn or emesene, or on the other hand with a completely other chat protocol at all if possible ;)
[23:02] <rezzy> ill stick with emesene, plus jjast73 if i could program i would love to contribute to linux
[23:02] <mgolisch> aguitel: no idea i dont know what your going to use it for
[23:02] <sarts> does ubuntu-netbook remix use nautilus for the desktop?
[23:02] <sarts> it doesn't, right?
[23:03] <cellofellow> sarts: yes it does, sorta. Not the desktop itself, but the file manager yes. The desktop is one big menu.
[23:03] <aguitel> mgolisch, i need to transport some file from on pc to another pc
[23:03] <acovrig> how do i add users to vsftpd and allow www-data to use it too?, `useradd -m --home-dir /www/<newuser> --password <newuser-password>` then `chmod -R 777 /www/<newuser>`
[23:03] <mmm4m5m> Anyone? Any help or hint? Web camera works but firefox/adobe flash say "no camera". This solutions, is not working for me: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so firefox
[23:03] <mgolisch> i usualy use ntfs
[23:03] <M1AU> rezzy: I'm out of here. Have a nice evening...
[23:03] <skywalk> Anyone familiar with ZoneMinder?
[23:03] <rezzy> cya mate , hopefully talk soon cheers :)
[23:04] <sarts> cellofellow: the NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_WINDOW_ID XAtom property does not exist on the root-window there, does it?
[23:05] <cellofellow> sarts: don't think so
[23:05] <acovrig> I can sudo -u <ftpuser> echo "">test, but not ftp <ftpuesr>@localhost put test why?
[23:05] <Icees> Anyone willing to help me troubleshoot getting Ubuntu Netbook onto an older laptop?
[23:05] <sarts> so, how can I find out what the hell is doing the desktop then?
[23:06] <stachu_> does anyone know any DOS chat room, on any IRC server? :)
[23:06] <Icees> Anyone willing to help me troubleshoot getting Ubuntu Netbook onto an older laptop?
[23:06] <sarts> I have a wallpaper-manager for regular nautilus and xfdesktop :)
[23:06] <cellofellow> sarts: whatever the fancy UNE launcher is called.
[23:06] <sarts> cellofellow: thnx
[23:07] <slidinghorn> !anyone
[23:07] <cellofellow> !anyone | Icees
[23:08] <Alaric`> Anyone?  Any tips on persuading Ubuntu to actually connect to local network on hardware that worked fine from the live CD?
[23:08] <acovrig> how do i add users to vsftpd?
[23:08] <slidinghorn> Alaric`, wired or wireless?
[23:08] <cellofellow> acovrig: vsftpd afaik just uses the local UNIX users. So, just adduser.
[23:09] <cellofellow> Alaric`: might start with ifconfig -a
[23:09] <acovrig> cellofellow, but I can't upload anything-Permission Denied, why?
[23:09] <Icees> How would I go about getting Ubuntu netbook onto an older laptop (2003-ish) that does not allow booting from a USB?
[23:09] <cellofellow> acovrig: vsftpd is designed specifically for security and its default config is to not allow any uploads. Check the /etc/vsftpd.conf
[23:09] <Spondodge> anyone know which compiz effect creates a rushing star  like effect with your wallpaper?
[23:10] <slidinghorn> Icees, you can try using an external CD/DVD drive -- if it doesn't have a cd rom drive chances are it has an interface card
[23:10] <soreau> Spondodge: what do you mean by rushing star for your wallpaper?
[23:10] <jjast73> Icees: try a live cd
[23:10] <Icees> Alright, thanks!
[23:10] <Alaric`> cellofellow, already done that ... ifconfig shows both interfaces up, with the right MAC addresses I have configured in my dhcpd
[23:11] <cellofellow> Alaric`: but no IP addresses?
[23:12] <acovrig> cellofellow, how do i allow uploads?
[23:12] <acovrig> can i allow for just 1 user?
[23:12] <cellofellow> acovrig: let me check my vsftpd.conf
[23:12] <Alaric`> cellofellow, nope ....   as far as I can tell, both interfaces are working perfectly (the wireless even sees my wireless network's SSID *and* my neighbor's), it's just refusing to connect to either wired or wireless
[23:12] <jjast73> acovrig: man vsftpd.conf
[23:12] <cellofellow> Alaric`: are you using Network Manager?
[23:13] <jjast73> acovrig: the man pages explain a ton. Also read up on the FAQ's on the vsftpd website
[23:13] <J11> Is there some kind of key you can hold to temporary disable AutoLogin?
[23:13] <Alaric`> cellofellow, yes, it's anew install, I have no choice.  if I could get a net connection to do it with, I'd rip it out and install wpa_supplicant.
[23:13] <acovrig> does #ubuntu use pastebin.com, or something special?
[23:14] <slidinghorn> paste.ubuntu.com acovrig
[23:14] <acovrig> thanks
[23:14] <slidinghorn> J11, How did you set the autologin up?
[23:14] <cellofellow> Alaric`: well, I think you can easily disable nm and use the cli without getting online, but that shouldn't matter. Try tailf /var/log/syslog | grep NetworkManager, and watch that while you use the nm-applet to try to connect.
[23:14] <rezzy> anyone have red dead redemption on ps3, im bored mates taking the michael
[23:15] <slidinghorn> !ot | rezzy
[23:15] <rezzy> sorry ;[
[23:15] <slidinghorn> it's all good :)
[23:17] <Alaric`> cellofellow: nm's apparently trying to activate the interface, dhclient is sending a DHCPDISCOVER, but apparently not getting anything back
[23:17] <J11> slidinghorn: used login screen settings
[23:18] <slidinghorn> J11,  is it a vanilla ubuntu install?  (10.04 with gnome/gdm?)
[23:19] <J11> slidinghorn: yes, it's a new lynx istall yes. i know i can set a delay, but that would just mean extra boottime
[23:19] <Alaric`> hmm ....   I'm going to try configuring the interface by hand a moment just as a sanity check
[23:19] <slidinghorn> k...let me see if I can find something
[23:19] <slidinghorn> J11, ^^
[23:19] <alexander__> ugh, rythmbox won't recognize ipod, gtkpod won't load it either. ipod touch ubuntu 10.4 any idears?
[23:20] <slidinghorn> !ipod | alexander__
[23:21] <giemini> hi, is there a fast way to delete a number of files which names(full paths) are stored in a text file?
[23:22] <silentiumdeimos> test
[23:23] <mgolisch> giemini: sure
[23:23] <mnemon> giemini: yes, cat filewithfilenames | xargs rm
[23:23] <silentiumdeimos> hi all
[23:23] <giemini> mnemon, what does exactly xargs do?
[23:24] <mnemon> it runs the command for each line of the stdinput and passes the line as an argument to the command
[23:24] <mgolisch> it basicaly appends its stdin to the command
[23:24] <ubnuntu_giant> Hello.  2 Questions, if someone would mind answering.  1) Why is Ubuntu's splash low-res? 2) Why is it when I try to install usplash, synapic wants to remove the entire operating system?
[23:24] <alexander__> yeah nothing is recognizing the ipod slidinghorn, haven't tried banshee yet though I'll give that a whirl
[23:25] <Alaric`> cellofellow:  interface works just fine if I bring it up manually with ifconfig with the same address my dhcpd would offer it
[23:25] <Daekdroom> ubnuntu_giant, are you using nvidia's binary driver?
[23:25] <slidinghorn> J11, no luck finding an answer for you :-\
[23:25] <tarrant> giemini: 'man xargs' for more details
[23:25] <giemini> thanks very much guys, I am not very knowledgable about bash, still learning, thanks again:)
[23:25] <ubnuntu_giant> Daekdroom, No, I have an ATI card.
[23:26] <Daekdroom> ubnuntu_giant, you installed the driver through "Hardware Drivers", I suppose?
[23:26] <ubnuntu_giant> Yes.
[23:26] <Daekdroom> ubnuntu_giant, that is the cause for the low-res splash screen, and newest ubuntu uses plymouth, not usplash
[23:27] <fobos> what difference is there between ubuntu desktop and ubuntu netbook remix?
[23:28] <weezelding> any clue why mp3 files won't play anymore after some update?
[23:28] <weezelding> neither movies that include mp3 packed audio
[23:28] <Godfather8850> hi! i am planning to install XP on VirtualBox. does anyone know what is the optimal amount of memory and hard disk space i should give?
[23:28] <kevin__> fobos - interface
[23:29] <deac0n> what is a good irc client likened  to mIRC
[23:29] <MetalGeek_N00b> Could anyone suggest a good bare bones terminal tutorial, or explain a few things for me
[23:29] <fobos> kevin__: what else?
[23:29] <Daekdroom> deac0n, xChat
[23:29] <kevin__> deac0n - xChat :)
[23:29] <slidinghorn> MetalGeek_N00b, well there's lots of good cheat sheets out there, but what do you need to know?
[23:29] <isti37_> Godfather8850 500 mb of memory is fairly enough if you don't want to get fizzy with games, also 6 gb should be enough
[23:29] <kevin__> fobos nothing I've noticed really :)
[23:29] <deac0n> I am not liken it :(
[23:29] <fobos> kevin__: thanx)
[23:30] <kevin__> Np :-)
[23:30] <slidinghorn> !good | deac0n
[23:30] <Godfather8850> isti37_, this 500mb of memory are not going to be taken out of my system. If i don't use VirtualBox they will be up and running with Ubuntu right?
[23:30] <alexander__> nothing from banshee/amarok/rythmbox/gtkpod on the ipod touch. any other things to try?
[23:30] <alexander__> also amarok won't close >_<
[23:30] <Ichat> anyone here got experience running SW-raid (with mdadm)
[23:30] <isti37_> Godfather8850 It will be taken only when you run VirtualBox
[23:31] <deac0n> under stood ubottu
[23:31] <MetalGeek_N00b> Bare bones stuff, i have a long history in widows so i understand its file structure and commands and so on, I cant say the same for Linux or Ubuntu 10.i have only used it for 3 days
[23:31] <weezelding> alexander__: gtppod?
[23:31] <Alaric`> hmm ....   I suspect my best solution here is to rip NetworkManager out by its twisty little roots
[23:31] <MetalGeek_N00b> 10.04 LL sorry
[23:31] <slidinghorn> alexander__, re: ipod, all i have is that factoid I sent earlier... Re: amarok -  open a terminal & type "top" (without quotes) find amarok's PID and hit "q" to quit.  then type:   kill -9 <pid> (without brackets)
[23:31] <MetalGeek_N00b> I know things like cd
[23:31] <MetalGeek_N00b> cd..
[23:32] <MetalGeek_N00b> pwd
[23:32] <Ichat> i got a degraded aray - and im pretty unsure what to do to fix this (i thought there where scripts in place to fix this,  but ebox (doesn't even list the drive anymore.  so its not auto-fixing it
[23:32] <MetalGeek_N00b> ls
[23:32] <jjast73> MetalGeek: those commands also work in linux
[23:32] <Godfather8850> isti37_, so I will loose only the 6gb of the partition. If I unistall virtual box will I get them back?
[23:32] <isti37_> alexander pskill amarok
[23:32] <MetalGeek_N00b> but those are about the only commands i know for linux
[23:32] <weezelding> alexander__: or even easier: pkill -9 amarok
[23:32] <slidinghorn> MetalGeek_N00b, here, give this a look.  Has a few really good cheat sheets to play with: http://www.scottklarr.com/topic/115/linux-unix-cheat-sheets---the-ultimate-collection/
[23:32] <MetalGeek_N00b> i used apt-get for the first time today
[23:32] <slidinghorn> weezelding, didn't know you could do it by the application name :-S
[23:33] <jjast73> MetalGeek: So, what is your question?
[23:33] <weezelding> slidinghorn: man page tells that :)
[23:33] <weezelding> slidinghorn: man kill i mean
[23:33] <Andorin> How do I tell Rhythmbox to stop watching a specific directory for new music files?
[23:33] <slidinghorn> weezelding, hmm..guess I should read up :)
[23:33] <slidinghorn> Andorin, remove it from the local media list
[23:33] <jjast73> Andorin: the prefs?
[23:34] <Andorin> slidinghorn: I can't figure out how. It currently says I have multiple locations selected and there's only a "Browse" option for adding more directories.
[23:34] <isti37_> Godfather8850 ofcourse, maybe you have to delete your virtual machine before
[23:34] <Andorin> "Library location. Music files are placed in: Multiple locations set"
[23:34] <jjast73> Andorin: click edit, Preferances, Music, then click the box to browse for your music and select a folder for your location
[23:35] <Andorin> jjast73: I just said that that doesn't work...
[23:35] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I'm trying to test out Internet sharing from my Ubuntu computer to a MacBook, but the MacBook isn't recognizing the Internet share.  Can someone help me?
[23:35] <Godfather8850> isti37_, thank you very much my friend :) you are a great help :)
[23:35] <eoke> exit
[23:35] <MetalGeek_N00b> Basically, I feel like im learning a new language, so, every time i sit down at my new linux box i try to learn a new command or something  and soon my vocabulary list will be massive
[23:35] <DeezeNuts> Hello! Im going to be a new ubuntu user. Is there anything I can read to get me started?
[23:36] <Andorin> I also took a look at /usr/share/rhythmbox to see if I could edit any config files and just drop the directory in question from being watched, but I saw nothing.
[23:36] <Godfather8850> isti37_, one last question. Is the virtual XP going to recognize my CD drivers?
[23:36] <kevin__> DeezeNuts : http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Lucid
[23:36] <isti37_> anyone knows a good kde4 app like midnight commander, I get bored by ncurses
[23:36] <Spaztic_One> Can anyone tell me how to undo a hard block on my wLAN when my wireless switch/button doesn't work under Ubuntu? This has been a problem before, but it "magically" unlocked and started working until the battery came out of my laptop earlier today.
[23:36] <Pici> !manual | DeezeNuts
[23:36] <DeezeNuts> Thank you!
[23:36] <MetalGeek_N00b> So im looking for a suggestion from the community about what i should learn tonight?
[23:36] <yoterkillas> i have a ?
[23:36] <ikonia> MetalGeek_N00b: just "use" your computer, you'll learn as you go a long
[23:37] <slidinghorn> MetalGeek_N00b, I'd suggest using the cp & mv commands -- very helpful for backing up configuration files before editing and renaming, etc
[23:37] <MetalGeek_N00b> Will that do
[23:37] <isti37_> Godfather8850 , you have to install on your guest operating sistem an application, no drivers needed
[23:37] <jjast73> MetalGeek: to learn linux, best way is to use google =) and use linux at the same time =)
[23:37] <Godfather8850> isti37_, do you know the name of this application?
[23:37] <kevin__> MetalGeek_N00b : PL/SQL It's a nice scripting lang and used by the whole oracle stack :)
[23:37] <isti37_> Godfather8850 , but, if you have the possibility and you don't need open source software only I recommend you VMware, virtualbox is buggy
[23:38] <Andorin> Sigh, never mind. Restarting Rhythmbox did it, I think.
[23:38] <jjast73> MetalGeek: you could also check out http://www.linuxhelp.net/newbies/
[23:38] <oliver1804> DeezeNuts, simply use the help center on your local hard drive (question mark icon)
[23:38] <Spaztic_One> Can anyone tell me how to undo a hard block on my wLAN when my wireless switch/button doesn't work under Ubuntu? This has been a problem before, but it "magically" unlocked and started working two weeks ago until the battery came out of my laptop (while it was on but suspended) earlier today.
[23:39] <bjegovic> do anybody know to work on gimp ?
[23:39] <slidinghorn> !repeat | Spaztic_One
[23:39] <ikonia> bjegovic: lots of guys in #gimp and a few in here
[23:39] <slidinghorn> !anyone | bjegovic
[23:40] <isti37_> Godfather8850 , Virtualbox will ask you to install it after you installed the guest operating system
[23:40] <MetalGeek_N00b>  PL/SQL is that going to be more useful than learning C++
[23:40] <isti37_> !virtualbox
[23:40] <Spaztic_One> slidinghorn: I waited a couple of minutes and decided to clarify what I said.
[23:40] <kevin__> MetalGeek_N00b : Depends on your goal :)
 sorry please explain
[23:40] <isti37_> MetalGeek_N00b Nothing is more useful than C++
[23:40] <Godfather8850> isti37_, thank you for the info :)
[23:41] <MetalGeek_N00b> Kevin__ Please elaborate
[23:41] <kevin__> isti37_ C++ is useless to a DBA or network admin :)
[23:41] <weezelding> ah, sudo apt-get install --reinstall gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio fixed mp3 playback problem
[23:41] <kevin__> Depends on why your learning it :)
 why?
[23:41] <isti37_> kevin__ it isn't on windows, altough you got .net :)
[23:41] <slidinghorn> MetalGeek_N00b, cp is like copying (i.e.  cp ~/Documents/spreadsheet.xls ~/Documents/spreadsheetcopy.xls)
[23:42] <kevin__> ?
[23:42] <Carleas> Is there a server-specific channel?
[23:43] <kevin__> Carleas - #ubuntu-server
[23:43] <yigal> In UNR Evince doesn't have an icon?  I can open it via the terminal Alt-F2 but I want to add it to favorites, can someone help me put the evince icon in the Favorites area of UNR?
[23:43] <isti37_> MetalGeek_N00 C++ is the fastest compiler, and you can get your app starting from Android devices to Nokia devices without performance hit or to Windows, Mac and Linux with a few function changes
[23:43] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I'm trying to test out Internet sharing from my Ubuntu computer to a MacBook, but the MacBook isn't recognizing the Internet share.  Can someone help me?
[23:43] <n0a1ias> keven__, is you last mane barber?
[23:43] <Kevin`> I think c compiles faster than c++
[23:44] <kevin__> nope ;x
[23:44] <yigal> fortran?
[23:44] <Kevin`> although most things support both
[23:44] <MetalGeek_N00b> Sorry, another noob question, is there a quick way in Xchat to direct my message at someone
[23:44] <Kevin`> since it's the same base program
[23:44] <n0a1ias> o, what about u Keven'?
[23:44] <Kevin`> n0a1ias: what was the question again?
[23:44] <kevin__> yigal - try system -> preferences -> Main Menu (Dont have UBR install sorry)
[23:44] <n0a1ias> Keven' is your lase mane barber?
[23:45] <Kevin`> n0a1ias: I don't think so
[23:45] <n0a1ias> o ok
[23:45] <n0a1ias> lol
[23:45] <n0a1ias> i though i knew u
[23:45] <yigal> kevin__: ty
[23:45] <slidinghorn> MetalGeek_N00b, just type their name...once you get part of their name in, you can hit tab to autocomplete
[23:46] <MetalGeek_N00b> So devoting my time to c++ as aposed to Pearl, Python, SQL etc would be more worthwile if if my goal was to one day crack this n00b off my name and maybe start making a living with my Linux and C++,HTML Skils
[23:46] <MetalGeek_N00b> slidinghorn, thanks
[23:47] <kevin__> MetalGeek_N00b, I take it you want to work in IT one day ?
[23:47] <Spaztic_One> How do I undo a hard block on my wLAN when my wireless switch/button doesn't work under Ubuntu? This has been a problem before, but it "magically" unlocked and started working two weeks ago until the battery came out of my laptop (while it was on but suspended) earlier today.
[23:47] <MetalGeek_N00b> and what about java
[23:47] <_jesse_> MetalGeek_N00b: and C
[23:47] <MetalGeek_N00b> yup
[23:48] <kevin__> MetalGeek_N00b - Java is good and will form a great base for O/O Lang etc
[23:48] <tiimo> hi can any one please help me with java
[23:48] <tiimo> http://pastebin.com/ySNWuskC
[23:48] <_jesse_> tiimo: ? try #java
[23:48] <_jesse_> ah
[23:48] <_jesse_> sorry :P
[23:48] <tiimo> :O
[23:48] <MetalGeek_N00b> I just ginished installing the massive load of updates from a fresh install and the computer wants to restart to finalise, can we pick this conversation up in a moment as i am very interested
[23:48] <tiimo> :P
[23:49] <_jesse_> tiimo: you need to install java, try the openjdk-6-jre package it suggest
[23:49] <Kevin`> c++ is useful if you want to write software that does things, or anything system level (although that's c usually, no ++)
[23:49] <Pici> !ot
[23:49] <kevin__> Kevin` Though c++ for a start is steep!
[23:49] <tiimo> it must be 64 bit
[23:49] <MetalGeek_N00b> kevin__, Why do you say that
[23:50] <Pici> Folks, can we move the programming language discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic, as its not really support related?  Thanks!
[23:50] <_jesse_> tiimo: sudo apt-get install default-jre
[23:50] <Kevin`> kevin__: yeah, I have to admit I started with qbasic
[23:50] <MetalGeek_N00b> sorry
[23:50] <luk_> ,,K
[23:50] <MetalGeek_N00b> where shall i go to talk about this type of thing
[23:50] <kevin__> Kevin` - I started with comal then vba :)
[23:50] <kevin__> ok Pici :x
[23:50] <tiimo> _jesse_: will try that if this dont work
[23:51] <purvesh> can some one help me to fix a bug, m using Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000, so before login m getting one error about graphic so i cant login to Ubuntu Linux 10.04, they also said bug is saved $xorg_backup_file and have to submit at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu so where is my bug log file can some one tell me, i'm on live cd :(
[23:51] <shzlnzl> is this the place to ask questions regarding uninstalling wine or is it better to go to the wine channel ?
[23:51] <funkwarrior> Hello! sorry but I need a little help to mount a usb disk in write mode..
[23:52] <funkwarrior> I try a lot of solutions but nothing works
[23:52] <Kevin`> shzlnzl: here is correct if you installed it from ubuntu's packages
[23:53] <rukubites> Hi, I have a system (and soul?) destroying bug. I have found the bug on launchpad, but there have been no good solutions yet. How do I go about getting more help? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/550559
[23:54] <hellothere> Hey guys. So Im running ubuntu 10.04 (love it) and need to have a certain app (sip phone) run everytime i log in. How can i do this, is there a gui? thanks
[23:54] <kevin__> hellothere - Preferences -> Start up Applications
[23:54] <tiimo> _jesse_:  didnt work :(
[23:55] <_jesse_> tiimo: error?
[23:55] <hellothere> kevin__, lol, i knew there was an easy option somewhere (ive used it before) just couldnt find it under system -> administration
[23:55] <hellothere> kevin__, thanks
[23:55] <kevin__> np :)
[23:57] <mengu> hi. gentoo's terminal (dunno if it's from gentoo or kde) has a feature. lets say i have typed in my  terminal "paster serve --reload development.ini" some time ago. and now if i type "paster" and press "page up" it auto adds the rest. does gnome-terminal have something like that?
[23:57] <Kevin`> rukubites: have you tried the current stable and development kernels from kernel.org?
[23:57] <tiimo> _jesse_:  I installed jdk-6u21-linux-x64 why isnt it working ?
[23:57] <alexander__> itunes won't work on virtual box either *face-keyboard* could it be because of the low res? I give up, forget windozzzzzz
[23:57] <Kevin`> rukubites: if so, I would post it to lkml
[23:58] <rukubites> Kevin`: I am currently trying the 2.6.34-020634rc7-generic kernel. Still fails.  Was about to try the 34-rc2 kernel from mainline. Is there any kernel you recommend?
[23:58] <_jesse_> tiimo: I said to try to install jre-default
[23:58] <_jesse_> tiimo: or rather default-jre
[23:58] <rukubites> Kevin`:  Trying the -rc2 because someone said it "fixed the disk".
[23:58] <Gryllida> What do I do to access files a Windows user shares with me on the LAN?
[23:59] <Kevin`> rukubites: you should of course try <IP_ADDRESS> for completeness. the main purpose is to know whether or not the current kernel has the problem so you can report it directly to those developers and get help on it