[00:20] <qman__> jMCg, the only 32-bit system I have which returns i386 at all, anywhere in uname, is the one running the linux-386 kernel
[00:20] <qman__> normal 32-bit kernels are going to return i686
[00:21] <qman__> because that's what they are
[00:24] <jMCg> qman__: ACK.
[00:27] <JanC> there might be something used by apt/dpkg that still returns i386 though
[01:33] <ksx4system> is it possible to make rtgui actually work under Debian with lighttpd?
[04:17] <ksx4system> how do I make htpasswd auth on single directory with lighttpd? i'm not using any vhosts
[04:22] <jmarsden> ksx4system: crossposting between #debian and #ubuntu-server is a bad idea.  Pick one, the right one for the OS you are using.
[04:27] <ksx4system> jmarsden: sometimes it's not, at least when #debian remains completely silent and/or question is ignored
[05:39] <jeeves_moss> how do I get my NTPd server to service global NTP requests?
[05:42] <rewt> have it listen on your internet-facing interface, and open the port in your firewall
[05:46] <jeeves_moss> rewt, I tried that.  I have port 123UDP open on the firewall, and even when I do a local nmap, the port isn't open
[05:46] <rewt> try a remote nmap
[05:47] <jeeves_moss> tried that, port is closed
[05:49] <jeeves_moss> could it be a deny line in the config?
[05:52] <rewt> could be
[05:54] <jeeves_moss> ok, thanks
[05:54] <jeeves_moss> I'll have a look
[06:03] <jeeves_moss> rewt, does this mean it's working?
[06:03] <jeeves_moss>  ntpq -np
[06:03] <jeeves_moss>      remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset  jitter
[06:03] <jeeves_moss> [06:03] <jeeves_moss> *<IP_ADDRESS>   <IP_ADDRESS>    2 u    2   64    1    0.148  -43.816   1.590
[06:05] <rewt> not sure; that could just mean that your server synchronized itself to another
[06:10] <jeeves_moss> rewt when I try the ntpdate command, I get " no servers can be used, exiting"
[06:42] <qman__> jeeves_moss, ntpdate doesn't work correctly in ubuntu, use ntpdate-debian, but that's also different from ntpd
[06:42] <qman__> ntpd does its own thing
[06:43] <qman__> just give it some time to work and it'll sync with servers
[06:43] <qman__> that output means it's 43 seconds off a stratum 2 server
[06:43] <qman__> once it closes the gap you'll be right on
[09:36] <JoeBloggs> anyone using ISPconfig 3 on Ubuntu server 11 ?
[10:20] <c0d3r> hi
[11:24] <masterofpuppetss> !ops
[11:24] <masterofpuppetss> FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
[11:24] <masterofpuppetss> oCean: i like black men
[11:25] <masterofpuppetss> !obs
[11:25] <masterofpuppetss> !ops
[11:25] <masterofpuppetss> !ops
[11:26] <masterofpuppetss> oCean: i like black men
[13:39] <RoyK>
[13:49]  * RoyK wonders what just happened a week back or so - cpu load on our spam filter went from a low 27% cpu load to an average of 58%
[14:46]  * RoyK is slightly impressed - four machines crammed into 2U, each machine with two 12-core opterons and 64GB RAM, the systems are running at 100% on all cores, with quite a bit of memory load, and the cpu temperature is between 48 and 52˚C
[16:05] <echo6> hello
[16:06] <echo6> Need help changing green terminal text to white, tried setterm -clear all -store, but this is not persistent, I get green text back after reboot
[16:06] <echo6> it would also appear that text that should be grey is green!
[16:14] <rizzuh> How can I restore several database dumps (.sql) into a single existing database? Do you have a bash script that would do that?
[16:42] <RoyK> echo6: that seems to me a desktop question :P
[17:07] <RoyK> you know a server is old when some of the cron jobs haven't been updated since 1999
[17:09] <oCean> probably a y2k fix, what else did we do in 1999?
[17:27] <rewt> partied like it's 1999
[17:42] <b0nghitter> what is the preferred FTPd for a production machine? something simple and secure.
[17:45] <greppy> b0nghitter: I've always liked proftpd, it will also do auth against mysql
[17:48] <b0nghitter> ok, cool. i have used proftpd before, mainly because of resume support..
[18:48] <qman__> IMO, not using FTP at all is the preferred method
[18:53] <qman__> unless you _like_ using a protocol that punches thousands of holes in your firewall, transmits credentials in cleartext, doesn't work over NAT, and mangles text files
[19:04] <greppy> qman__: for some people, it's an acceptable risk or needed for thier application.
[19:07] <qman__> again IMO, if your application only works with FTP, you need a new application
[19:07] <qman__> there's plenty of other ways to transmit files, all of which are massive improvements over FTP
[20:33] <j3roth> Question: Is there a program to log DNS requests that users SSH'd into my server request?
[20:34] <greppy> j3roth: if you use a local dns server, like bind, you can turn on query logging.
[20:34] <j3roth> this is true.
[20:34] <greppy> matching that to a specific process or user can be a little tricky.
[20:35] <j3roth> yeah, that is what I am trying to figure out. I have multiple users connecting via ssh to the box. I want to be able to monitor their requests....
[20:36] <greppy> why?
[20:36] <j3roth> because they are my teenage sons and I do not trust what they are browsing lol
[20:37] <j3roth> I am not the type to put a filter on internet access. More just to make sure they aren't doing any unhealthy.
[20:37] <StevenR> j3roth: they're browsing via ssh?
[20:37] <j3roth> Work around to university filter. ssh -D
[20:37] <greppy> then don't worry about matching it to a single user, just turn on logging and review what they are hitting.
[20:37] <j3roth> that works
[20:38] <greppy> if they go somewhere naughty, call them both in and have them fess up to it and/or explain what happened, until then, they don't have access anymore :)
[20:38] <j3roth> exactly
[20:39] <j3roth> gracias good sirs
[20:39] <j3roth> or ma'ams
[20:39] <j3roth> :)
[21:01] <goddard> im trying to setup my network card but i get nothing
[21:01] <goddard> im running an old ibm eserver
[21:18] <jeeves_moss> is there a way to shrink a live partition?  I would like to shrink the root partition on my server so I can install reiser4 on a small (<4gb partition)
[21:18] <guntbert> Jeeves_: not while it is mounted
[21:19] <jeeves_moss> guntbert,damn it.  LOL
[21:19] <guntbert> sorry, mistabbed :)
[21:19] <jeeves_moss> have you ever setup a FreeCDDB server before.
[21:19] <guntbert> jeeves_moss: no
[21:20] <jeeves_moss> the "howto" I'm reading reccomends using that type of file system for it since it comtains tons of small files.  Any sudgestions?  I'm currently running on EXT3
[21:21] <jeeves_moss> right now, in this server, space is kind of at a preimum.  I have all of my 76Gb 10K Ultra320 drives tied up in another server
[21:21] <guntbert> jeeves_moss: as far as I know reiserfs is not in active development any more, so I'd be reluctant to go that way
[21:22] <jeeves_moss> any ideas on a good FS for small files?
[21:22] <jeeves_moss> (I have another project that caches JPEG files, so I also need a soulition for that as well)
[21:24] <jeeves_moss> has ZFS become stable enough for production?  I don't really want to run SUNOS, but I need the abilty to add drives of differen't sizes on the flyand auto expand
[21:27] <qman__> jeeves_moss, I was considering nexenta for that reason
[21:29] <jeeves_moss> ahhh.  well, the secondary box that I need to go into roduction is a 6 drive IBM box that I would like to have the features of ZFS on.  the auto arrange of the cluster size, and the ability to mount new drives (reguardless of size) and auto add/expand them into the set us a HUGE thing for me.  The site will be caching JPEGs and offering up streaming videos, so we need SPEED!
[21:30] <jeeves_moss> and since the RAID controllers built into this box won't play nice with Ubuntu, I'm kinda annoyed
[21:31] <qman__> I wanted it for the filesystem-level hash checking, and the per-file redundancy settings
[21:32] <jeeves_moss> ahhh, does it play nice when disks die?
[21:32] <qman__> it'd save me a lot of space if I didn't have to keep double parity on temporary files
[21:33] <qman__> without buying yet more disks just for that
[21:33] <jeeves_moss> ahhh, well, this 6 disk box will have a JBOD tossed on it as soon as I can afford it.  Then, as we expand, I'll slowly swap out the 76Gb disks for 146Gb ones.  But, as I said, I need to make sure it's production safe and tested
[21:34] <qman__> yeah
[21:34] <ezrtyuiop> Hello there
[21:34] <ezrtyuiop> anyone ?
[21:34] <qman__> !anyone | ezrtyuiop
[21:34] <jeeves_moss> ahhh..  does it do optimization, etc?  or am I going on about something that's not that important?
[21:35] <qman__> it can do compression, but it's not exactly designed for maximum speed
[21:35] <ezrtyuiop> once after installation cacti-cactid i got this error E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[21:35] <qman__> ezrtyuiop, you have to scroll up and find the first error
[21:36] <qman__> that's just telling you there was one
[21:36] <jeeves_moss> qman__, ahhh, well, I'm not sure anymore what I should do with this box then.  I figured dual quad core 3.0Ghz Xenons, 8Gb of RAM, and a few TB should be good enough for a small streaming server
[21:37] <qman__> jeeves_moss, well, it's not really slow, but it's more aimed at robustness than pure speed
[21:37] <qman__> raid 0 or 10 will be faster
[21:38] <ezrtyuiop> what have to do ?
[21:38] <jeeves_moss> qman__, the cards in the box will do 10, but it's sensitive to the drive size, etc, and won't auto scale
[21:38] <jeeves_moss> ezrtyuiop, I'm looking to start a streaming server for education, etc.  it's mostly flash baised (yes, I got bent over when I talked to the Adobe rep)
[21:38] <qman__> yeah, those sorts of features require a level of dynamic adjustment that will sap your speed
[21:39] <qman__> zfs would make it easy to expand later, but you're not going to be as fast as raid 10
[21:39] <jeeves_moss> qman__, that's what I was looking at.  And I have a range of weird sized Ultra320 drives here that I was just going to slap into the box to start with,then as I can afford it, pull out the smaller ones, and replace them
[21:40] <qman__> well, zfs is certainly going to be the most convenient in that case
[21:40] <qman__> and it's not going to be really slow, just slower than a dedicated raid 10
[21:41] <jeeves_moss> qman__, but I think think it'll run on Ubuntu though, right?
[21:41] <qman__> not sure how far along ZFS is in linux yet
[21:41] <qman__> I know the fuse version is pretty decent
[21:41] <jeeves_moss> there is the linecing issues.  (sorry, too drunk to spell right now)
[21:42] <qman__> but, that's why I was looking at nexenta
[21:42] <qman__> it's basically an opensolaris kernel with a debian userland
[21:42] <jeeves_moss> and granted, RAID 10 or RAID 50 is nice, but I can see a LOT of problems with it growing out of the dust when this gets going
[21:42] <qman__> giving us the robust solaris features without the headaches
[21:43] <ezrtyuiop> wow what is raid10 or RAID50 never heard before ?
[21:43] <ezrtyuiop> or are you talking about raid 1 and Raid 5 ?
[21:43] <qman__> 10 is 1 + 0, 50 is 5 + 0
[21:44] <qman__> it's a combination of concepts for improved speed
[21:44] <qman__> my file server's a raid 6, which is really slow
[21:44] <ezrtyuiop> miroring ?
[21:45] <qman__> even with a quad core 3GHz+ and good controllers, I'm not even topping out gigabit
[21:45] <jeeves_moss> qman__, yes, I know.  I guess I'm limited by the layout and $$$.  I was thinking of buying a 2U box with 24 SAS bays.  But I can't figure out how to cram enough controllers in it and still have room for everything else.
[21:45] <jeeves_moss> my goal is for the expandability and screw up recovery
[21:45] <qman__> 2.5"?
[21:45] <qman__> I can't imagine any other way to fit that many in a 2U
[21:46] <qman__> I've seen 4Us that big
[21:46] <jeeves_moss> yea, they're 2.5'
[21:46] <jeeves_moss> *"
[21:46] <qman__> would require some expensive controllers then, ones with lots of ports per card
[21:47] <jeeves_moss> yea.  that's the problem.  8 ports a card (2 PCIx slots), and the rest on the mobo
[21:47] <qman__> I decided to just buy more disks for my aging server, for now
[21:47] <jeeves_moss> lol, we're running outta space here in the house.
[21:47] <qman__> but after I run out of space on that, I'm going 4U
[21:47] <qman__> and ZFS, whatever that requires me to run
[21:47] <qman__> or possibly btrfs if it gets up to snuff by then
[21:48] <jeeves_moss> I might just run this IBM 2U box for a while (untill I outgrow it), then move to that 24 bay one and load it with laptop HDDs
[21:48] <qman__> raid 6 is really slowing me down
[21:48] <jeeves_moss> lol, oh?
[21:49] <qman__> but my previous raid 5 lost three disks in one day
[21:49] <qman__> so I'm not doing that again
[21:49] <jeeves_moss> WTF?  seriously?
[21:49] <qman__> yes
[21:49] <qman__> two within an hour
[21:49] <jeeves_moss> ouch!
[21:49] <jeeves_moss> were you home to find out?
[21:49] <qman__> yeah, it crapped out on me while I was using it, but I didn't notice until the second one died
[21:50] <qman__> and my files suddenly became read-only
[21:50] <jeeves_moss> lol
[21:50] <qman__> so, this one's raid 6 with a hot spare, but it's really slow
[21:50] <qman__> next time around I'm going with something better, like ZFS
[21:50] <jeeves_moss> something about Ultra320 drives in a mirror just do it for me for I/O.  I don't like this laptop I use as a work station.  :-(
[21:51] <qman__> the old raid 5 would top out gigabit easy
[21:51] <qman__> the current one struggles to do 55MB/s read
[21:51] <qman__> with 11 disks in the raid
[21:51] <jeeves_moss> has anyone figured out what this damn jbd2/sda5-8 is? it keeps popping up on IOTOP
[21:52] <qman__> like, hdparm shows a lot more speed than that
[21:52] <qman__> but actual file transfers don't go near the 80MB/s the old one did
[21:53] <jeeves_moss> I can't complain.  this little box is slated to live a life serving RAIDUS requests.  Not bad for a little 1U IBMbox (dual 1Ghz, 2.5Gb RAM, dual 36.6Gb 10K Ultra320s)
[21:55] <jeeves_moss> ugh, brb, more beer required
[21:58] <jeeves_moss> does this mean it works?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS
[22:16] <Jin> Hello, I have a question regarding ubuntu server
[22:17] <guntbert> !ask
[22:17] <Jin> Is it wrong to have both web and mail server on the same ubuntu server machine?
[22:17] <alamar> Jin: no
[22:17] <alamar> why would that be wrong?
[22:17] <alamar> of course depending on your USECASE it might be wrong
[22:18] <Jin> cuz I'm planning to build a mail server on my webserver ubuntu and make it work as both at the same time
[22:18] <Jin> thank you Alamar
[22:18] <alamar> there is no definitive answer to such a question
[22:18] <alamar> you could separate all services to different physical machines
[22:18] <alamar> then again you could make use of various virtualization techniques
[22:18] <guntbert> Jin: have you got experience with mail servers?
[22:18] <Jin> I only have one machine
[22:18] <Jin> no
[22:18] <alamar> (with more or less the same effect)
[22:19] <Jin> This is my first time building a mail server
[22:19] <alamar> managewise if their is a link between the offered services it might be easiest to have them on one single system
[22:19] <guntbert> Jin: then PLEASE don't run a publicly available mail server yet
[22:19] <alamar> (like same domains for mail as for webhosting)
[22:19] <Jin> I have a domain let's say jin.com, I want to make my website can allow people create their own email that would be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:19] <alamar> s/their/there/
[22:20] <alamar> Jin: for you it might be the best to just use plesk or ispconfig
[22:20] <alamar> because YOU would probably screw up more
[22:20] <Jin> what do you mean Guntbert?
[22:20] <Jin> I don't know anything about plesk?
[22:21] <alamar> Jin: the good thing about that is plesk is more or less designed to work even for people who have no idea about plesk or server administration
[22:21] <qman__> Jin, postfix is not microsoft exchange, it doesn't require a quad processor server with 24 gigs of RAM just to house a few mailboxes
[22:21] <alamar> Jin: he means that people shouldn't run publicly accesable mail services if they are not fit to administer them
[22:21] <guntbert> Jin: mail servers are (if not configured correctly) in danger of being open mail relays
[22:22] <Jin> I want to secure, nobody can own an email just like that, I'm gonna code the website myself and build inside the mail system integrated with the mail server, I have 0 experience about it but I need to go through it
[22:22] <alamar> as I said. just use plesk(for hosting only one domain it's even free) or ispconfig(if you don't want to pay anything and have more than one domain)
[22:22] <mendel_> Jin: Google Apps sounds perfect for you
[22:23] <Jin> no, I don't want google to host my mail server
[22:23] <Jin> Here is some help websites that I found, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer
[22:23] <alamar> why not? they'd do a far more superior job
[22:23] <mendel_> indeed
[22:23] <Jin> http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/#app_why
[22:23] <Jin> yes but in my project, it requires a private mail server
[22:24] <mendel_> sending and receiving mails?
[22:24] <mendel_> or just sending
[22:24] <Jin> yes
[22:24] <mendel_> yes what
[22:24] <alamar> hrhr
[22:24] <Jin> sending and receiving
[22:25] <Jin> mendel_ and alamar, do you please know any good website that helps building own mail servers in a better way and secure that I should follow?
[22:25] <guntbert> Jin: "private" as in "hidden behind a router, used only in your private network"?
[22:25] <guntbert> that would be the way to start
[22:25] <qman__> so long as you put in the right information, the default 'internet site' configuration is reasonably secure
[22:25] <Jin> private to the website itself and it's global over internet
[22:26] <Jin> I'm confused
[22:26] <alamar> Jin: I think you should use plesk or ispconfig. building a mailserver manually that is configured appropriately is fucking work IMHO. there are probably a lot of "build a very sexy allround mailserver" howtos on howtoforge
[22:28] <guntbert> alamar: do you know of a good tutorial "how to use ispconfig" ?
[22:30] <alamar> no but it has a webinterface - that's normally all people need ;) but iirc there exists quite thorough documentation from the author
[22:30] <alamar> (called something like ispconfig book probably)
[22:30] <guntbert> alamar: ok, gonna look :)
[22:32] <alamar> it seems it's not for free
[22:32] <alamar> http://www.ispconfig.org/ispconfig-3/ispconfig-3-manual/
[22:32] <guntbert> thx :)
[22:39] <rizzuh_laptop> How do I restore a bunch of sql dumps into an existing database? They're all prefixed by date and number, in the order to be applied. A bash script or something similar would be great.
[22:45] <mendel_> rizzuh_laptop: mysql?
[22:45] <rizzuh_laptop> yeah
[22:45] <mendel_> create a sql file and import it with the mysql command?
[22:45] <mendel_> mysql -p -h host dbname < queries.sql
[22:46] <rizzuh_laptop> I have about 50 files I want to import in order.
[22:46] <rizzuh_laptop> I tried with find and xargs, but couldn't get mysql or mysqlimport to import them.
[22:47] <rizzuh_laptop> The files are named like 2011-06-22-00-dbname_change.sql
[22:48] <mendel_> I would loop the dir with a nodejs script and then exec mysql with that file
[22:48] <mendel_> not much of a shell pro
[22:48] <mendel_> must be a easier way, sorry I can't help
[22:51] <rizzuh_laptop> thanks anyway
[22:52] <rizzuh_laptop> I could write a C++ porg to do it mendel_, but that would take too long heh, to write and to compile.
[22:52] <qman__> you can definitely shell script it
[22:52] <qman__> but the question is, would it be faster to learn and write the script
[22:53] <rizzuh_laptop> Sure, but how? I'm a shell newbie.
[22:53] <qman__> or just do it one by one
[22:53] <rizzuh_laptop> There's a LOT of files, with long names the lieks on 2011-06-22-00_dbname_somename.sql
[22:53] <qman__> that's what tab completion is for
[22:53] <rizzuh_laptop> And this is just once now, but there will be more updates in the future.
[22:53] <rizzuh_laptop> Yeah, but it's a lot of typing still :<
[22:53] <qman__> well, if it's more than a one shot thing
[22:53] <qman__> then definitely go for the script
[22:53] <qman__> I'm not exactly a pro at it myself
[22:54] <qman__> but it shouldn't be too complicated
[22:54] <rizzuh_laptop> The thing is I failed at scripting this, which should be basically get list of files in directory, feed them one by one to mysql/mysqlimport.
[22:55] <qman__> this may help  http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls
[22:55] <qman__> it basically lists all the mistakes I've made when trying to script something
[22:57] <rizzuh_laptop> qman__, thanks.
[22:58] <rizzuh_laptop> qman__, funny one of the mistakes there (for in in ...) is exactly what I need xD
[22:58] <qman__> banged my head against the wall on that problem many times before I saw that page
[23:35] <jMCg> In order to enable crash dumps, I need to install kdump-tools... and?
[23:38] <sw0rdfish> hey guys 'last -10' tells you who has logged in to your system for the last
[23:38] <sw0rdfish> 10 times
[23:38] <sw0rdfish> right?
[23:40] <sw0rdfish> can I use that to give me the IP of users who logged into my vps?
[23:40] <sw0rdfish> via ssh


[11:25] <ElectroXexual> I'm using Gnome DE and trying to bind keys super+number to switch to specific workspaces, but I see only 4 workspaces in "keyboard shortcuts" to assign shortcuts keys. How do I make "super+5" to switch to workspace 5 etc..?


[00:02] <Roenie_> cheeky question: what would be the main reasons to use kubuntu instead of debian, for a plasma5 desktop?
[00:05] <Roenie_> 'cause right now I can grab debian testing ("buster") and it will have slightly newer Plasma and won' t be EOL in july
[00:09] <Roenie_> the only problem is debian has no up-to-date live boot images, so I can't try it out... any particular reason to stick with the "specialized" plasma distro, kubuntu?
[00:11] <Roenie_> is the work for kubuntu mostly taking debian sources and canonicalizing them, or is there extra work involved that makes it a straight up better KDE experience?
 Roenie_ testing
 We test extensively
[02:27] <janat08> im trying to share my folder (under properties), and settings that really give access (read rights or guest access) don't save. I assume that sudo is required for that but I don't get the prompt. This is one of those times when sudo dolphin would be nice.
[02:28] <janat08> is there a samba client for that
[02:28] <janat08> or file manager with same options
[14:15] <kent1402> Hello, Kubuntus!
[14:16] <kent1402> Do you guys have any kde themes recommendation for me? I'm kind of bored of seing the vanilla breeze though
[14:16] <kent1402> Thank you
[14:19] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:22] <kent1402> BluesKaj: Hi!
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Hi kent1402
[15:56] <lolTest> Question regarding Konversation (KDE IRC client): Are identity passwords stored in clear text somewhere and if yes, where can I find them? I forgot to note my password. The password is still saved in Konversation but I cannot see it in cleartext.
[16:03] <BluesKaj> lolTest, I think the #freenode chat could help you there with a command to run in the freenode server tab
[16:05] <BluesKaj> I'd also try the #konversation chat, but it's not very active sometimes
[16:29] <lolTest> It is not the freenode server I forgot the password for
[16:31] <BluesKaj> did you set a pw for the chatrooms?
[16:31] <lolTest> a pw for the nick on a different server
[16:31] <BluesKaj> which server/
[16:32] <lolTest> I can still autoconnect because it is saved
[16:32] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:32] <lolTest> a server from my school
[16:32] <lolTest> the password recovery script seem not to work
[16:32] <BluesKaj> you need a pw for freenode , that's probly the one you entered in your  setup
[16:33] <lolTest> I need to find the config files for konversation
[16:34] <BluesKaj> unless you didn't register a nick and pw in freenode
[16:38] <lolTest> problem solved, I could recover my password from the logfiles!
[16:43] <BluesKaj> which log?
[16:45] <lolTest> the channel and server logfiles of Konversation
[16:46] <lolTest> in ~/logs
[16:50] <BluesKaj> yes,but whichone?
.log
[16:54] <lolTest> the commands I used to register were logged and so was the password
[17:28] <BluesKaj> hmm, I don't see my pw in any feenode server logs , but you say you don't use the freenode server, how is that possible?
[17:42] <lolTest> there are more IRC networks than just freenode. Quakenet is another very big IRC network totally unrealted to freenode with it's own servers.
[17:44] <BluesKaj> yes of course but connecting to kubuntu support chat is on freenode
[17:45] <lolTest> yes it is. I was asking the question in Kubuntu because it was related to Konversation, a program shipped with Kubuntu
[17:59] <BluesKaj> and most kde/plasma DEs depending on the OS
[20:21] <westor> i've just update my old laptop from windows to kubuntu and my network isn't on the list (it was with full signal on windows before)
[20:21] <westor> any ideas how to solve that?
[20:22] <diogenes_> westor, and others?
[20:22] <westor> sorry?
[20:22] <diogenes_> do you see any other networks?
[20:22] <bprompt> westor:   he meant other networks listed if any
[20:22] <westor> yes
[20:23] <Alexfrench> no wifi ?
[20:23] <bprompt> westor:   are you connecting on cat5?
[20:23] <diogenes_> try rebooting your router
[20:23] <westor> i already reboot the router
[20:23] <westor> and it is wifi
[20:24] <diogenes_> maybe there is not a full list maybe you need to scroll down?
[20:24] <westor> yes i did and this but it is not listed at all
[20:24] <westor> the router is pretty close with the laptop
[20:25] <westor> as i was connected from windows before upgrade before
[20:25] <diogenes_> so you can see all the neighbor neotworks but yours?
[20:25] <westor> yes mine is not there
[20:25] <bprompt> westor:    does "iwconfig" show it by any chance?  in the console that is
[20:26] <diogenes_> westor, can you see your network on your phone or another device?
[20:26] <westor> yes i can and my android is connected too
[20:27] <diogenes_> that's pretty weird, open your driver manager
[20:27] <diogenes_> see if you have a driver for your wireless card
[20:27] <westor> its my first time on kubuntu so i don't know where is drive manager
[20:27] <diogenes_> open the menu and type in driver
[20:28] <westor> ok i did
[20:28] <westor> it say's: You computer requires no proprietary drivers
[20:29] <diogenes_> weird
[20:29] <diogenes_> did you see it listed while installing?.
[20:29] <westor> no
[20:29] <bprompt> something tells me it's in the wifi manager listed, just off the scrollbar or something
[20:30] <Alexfrench> what is the wifi card ?
[20:30] <bprompt> westor:    tried "iwconfig" in the console yet?
[20:31] <diogenes_> that's a good thought ^^^ list your networks in terminal
[20:31] <westor> that "iwconfig" how can i run it
[20:31] <bprompt> westor:   type it in :)
[20:31] <diogenes_> and hit enter
[20:31] <westor> ah ok
[20:31] <westor> i type it and pressed enter
[20:32] <westor> nothing opens
[20:32] <bprompt> eh?    in the console, not the "run" box,   as in, run say Konsole first and then type that in
[20:32] <westor> yes
[20:32] <westor> ok did it now in console
[20:33] <westor> and got some messages
[20:33] <Alexfrench> search the word terminal on kubuntu
[20:33] <bprompt> westor:   and nothing shows up?  that'd list all interfaces and networks
[20:33] <westor> gimme a sec to screenshot
[20:33] <diogenes_> westor, don'
[20:33] <diogenes_> make screenshot
[20:33] <diogenes_> better run this: iwconfig | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:34] <diogenes_> you gonna get a link and share the link here
[20:37] <westor> https://i.imgur.com/CXOzWC3.jpg
[20:40] <bprompt> hmmmmmm
[20:41] <westor> https://i.imgur.com/ZvIFZPV.jpg
[20:41] <bprompt> westor:    I'm not in Kwin myself, I use WICD as network manager..... but I think you can simply add the wifi network, or some other network off a provided list from the Kwin network manager, which is just a plasma widget
[20:47] <westor> i don't know what is Kwin or WICD but i cannot find out how to solve this
[20:49] <Alexfrench> have you check the card's brand and if there are drivers for it
[20:50] <westor> i don't know my card to search
[20:50] <westor> because it is my first time i have this issue
[20:50] <Alexfrench> for sure before you have windows
[20:51] <westor> yes i did win10
[20:51] <Alexfrench> and you laptop which it is ?
[20:51] <Alexfrench> model one ?
[20:51] <westor> acer aspire 5741G
[20:51] <Alexfrench> ok
[20:52] <westor> 6gb ram + ssd on
[20:53] <Alexfrench> with nvidia ?
[20:53] <westor> yes
[20:53] <westor> 320m
[20:53] <Alexfrench> core i3
[20:53] <westor> i5 430m
[21:06] <westor> i don't know if this https://gist.github.com/glombard/18a7ea331cfc93aff17b is related with my problem
[21:08] <Alexfrench> in fact i am looking for characteristics on google
[21:08] <Alexfrench> but it never tells me what is the exact wifi card
[21:08] <Alexfrench> so finding the right driver is difficult
[21:09] <westor> how can i do that from kubuntu
[21:09] <westor> to find out the wifi card
[21:11] <Alexfrench> on windows there are software to do that
[21:11] <Alexfrench> on kubuntu i don't know
[21:13] <westor> https://askubuntu.com/questions/384042/no-wifi-connection-with-acer-aspire-5741g
[21:16] <Alexfrench> did you try what it is said on the link ?
[21:17] <westor> yes
[21:18] <westor> everything was already as 'no'
[21:18] <Alexfrench> nothing ?
[21:18] <westor> it weren't already blocked
[21:19] <Alexfrench> on windows what was the name of the wifi card if you remember ?
[21:19] <Alexfrench> the peripherical one ?
[21:21] <westor> Broadcom it was the brand
[21:21] <westor> as i can remember
[21:24] <westor> i am at 80% sure that is : Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM43225 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4357] (rev 01)
[21:27] <westor> i've found a command line : $ lspci -vnn -d 14e4:
[21:27] <westor> in https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Broadcom_wireless article
[21:28] <westor> i executed let me show you the card infos
[21:30] <westor> so finally this is the wifi + ethernet cards specs: https://i.imgur.com/39tDEfP.jpg
[21:52] <Alexfrench> https://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers
[22:41] <oceanquake> For NetworkManager, how can I set default behaviors such as MAC address randomization, not to include the hostname in dhcp requests, etc.?  I've tried creating a file in /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d with a [connection] stanza that does these things, but it seems to be unused or overridden by other layers in the NM stack?
[22:43] <oceanquake> I don't see any place to set these options at the overall default level, just on a per-connection level for some things such as MAC addr.  I don't see any place to do things like tell it not to send hostnames.
[23:57] <EdgyMC_69> Hi. I have installed qemu and made a CentOS VM. After a few days the internet for my host stopped working. It's the second time it happened but it fixed itself after reinstalling but now it's different. The NIC works in Windows but not in live-cd Kubuntu nor in installed Kubuntu. Do you have any ideas?


[03:05] <_MMA_> troy_s: ping
[03:23] <troy_s> _MMA_ go
[03:24] <_MMA_> Hi sir.
[03:24] <_MMA_> do you have a sec to jump on #ubuntustudio?
[03:42] <troy_s> who's idea was it to put the enlarge and minimize to desktop functionality in the top right corner?
[03:42] <troy_s> erk
[03:42] <troy_s> ww.
[04:06] <TheSheep> do you maybe know if murrina theme engine is going to be included in feisty?
[04:11] <_MMA_> Yep.
[04:11] <_MMA_> Ubuntu Studio is using it for its theme. We even had code added to the engine for us.
[04:12] <TheSheep> great! thanks
[04:13] <_MMA_> REALLY early screenshot: http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/6425/screenshot1uq7.png
[04:13] <_MMA_> Needs some color/usability tweaks.
[04:14] <TheSheep> the blue kills :)
[04:16] <TheSheep> troy_s: as far as I know it kinda just "happened" at Apple, and then everyone copied it...
[04:16] <TheSheep> troy_s: now it's just very well established tradition, kinda like blue for links
[04:30] <troy_s> TheSheep -- regarding what?  Anatomy of a desktop styling?
[04:31] <troy_s> It is quite a logical progression -- to extend the desktop window into a 'larger' window based on user habits.
[04:31] <TheSheep> 03:42 < troy_s> who's idea was it to put the enlarge and minimize to desktop functionality in the top right corner?
[04:31] <troy_s> I find it rather interesting in light of what we were discussing the other day.
[04:31] <TheSheep> troy_s: personally I think that the corner is too precious to "waste" it like that :)
[04:32] <TheSheep> troy_s: I mean, logout is not the same as closing an app
[04:32] <TheSheep> otoh, the "obviousness" has its benefits
[04:32] <troy_s> Well... again -- it is not intended for power user layouts.
[04:32] <troy_s> Most power users have clutter all over the place, but they know exactly what is where.
[04:32] <TheSheep> but I'm not convinced about usefulness of the 'cascade' button :)
[04:33] <troy_s> Back to artwork.
[04:33] <troy_s> Erm
[04:33] <troy_s> Sorry...
[04:33] <troy_s> I think it is quite clever actually.
[04:33] <troy_s> Organize your windows -- tile / something
[04:33] <troy_s> It is one of those things that folks who are newer would appreciate.
[04:33] <TheSheep> troy_s: probably a question of style of work
[04:33] <_MMA_> troy_s: Did you see my questions on #ubuntustudio?
[04:33] <troy_s> Erm...
[04:34] <troy_s> No... backtracking.
[04:34] <troy_s> Give me a few.
[04:34] <_MMA_> np. ;)
[04:34] <_MMA_> take your time.
[04:34] <troy_s> Well the more I think about it
[04:35] <troy_s> The more I am thinking 18% grey is probably the best route.
[04:35] <troy_s> Simply for functionality.
[04:35] <troy_s> I know it is rather drab, but it truly works towards a 'studio' environment.
[04:35] <troy_s> Family time for a while.  Back in a while.
[04:36] <troy_s> Feel free to pm me
[04:36] <_MMA_> See, the original idea was to be close to Ardour. Thats the reason.
[04:36] <_MMA_> lol. Me to.
[04:36] <_MMA_> (wife time)