[09:05] <Biovore> I seen to many people with them that can't do shit..
[09:06] <Biovore> Angelus: yay.. welcome the hell I call.. virtual packages..
[09:06] <Biovore> kubuntu-desktop is a vitual-package..
[09:06] <jason_20> Biovore: do you think people would pay for ubuntu support, like "hey, your having trouble configuring a driver, let me do it for you..."
[09:06] <Angelus> so i cannot remove samba-common ?
[09:06] <Angelus> :/
[09:07] <Angelus> also can you tell me exacly how can i make /usr/local to get searched?
[09:07] <Angelus> i dont its /etc/profile
[09:07] <Angelus> :/
[09:07] <Biovore> jason_20: Canonical inc   <-- if anyone does certifications.. they would do it..
[09:08] <Biovore> But in the unix world.. Its all about street cred.
[09:08] <debian> im back
[09:08] <jason_20> uh huh
[09:08] <Biovore> Fancy paper this and fancy paper that.. people in know. don't care..
[09:08] <jason_20> yeh
[09:08] <Biovore> Can you and can't you do task <A,B,C>
[09:09] <Biovore> thats what I want know..
[09:09] <Biovore> if an employer isn't asking those questions.. I wouldn't work for them..  Basicly you'll end up as a slave to idiots..
[09:09] <jason_20> yeah exactly
[09:10] <Biovore> Unless your a consultant..
[09:10] <Biovore> Then the money is good enough.. :-)
[09:10] <jason_20> well i'd like to do it myself, self employed, freelance/
[09:10] <jason_20> brb toilet time
[09:10] <debian> . o (toilet time :P )
[09:10] <Biovore> well in consulting it all about your repitation to get things working..
[09:11] <debian> brb coffee time
[09:11] <jason_20> Biovore: do you mind me asking what your job is?
[09:12] <BluesKaj> i've been using firefox and thunderbird, but I'm migrating back konq browser , Kmail is ok but it's graphics are so ugly even for a nonvidually oriented guy like me :) . What are some other email client options besides t-bird and kmail ?
[09:12] <Biovore> Electrical Engineer / Embedded Designer / Telecom data systems / RF communcations.
[09:12] <jason_20> BluesKaj: epiphany
[09:12] <debian> k back
[09:12] <BluesKaj> epiphany eh ?
[09:13] <jason_20> Biovore: cool, Im unemployed at the moment, I was working in the czech republic for a british telecoms company, i was doing sales but sort of got promoted to doing IT work aswell, unfortunatly i had to come back cos my sister has brain cancer.... so now im looking into starting a web based business
[09:13] <zgmf-x20a> hey can someone please help with the 7.04 desktop cd please.  i am trying to run it and it got stuck.  it says" /bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off" then under it it says "(initramfs)" and wants me to input something.  what should i do?
[09:13] <jason_20> BluesKaj: epiphany is a lightweight email klient
[09:14] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: You check the MD5sums on the disk.. sounds a like bad CD..
[09:14] <debian> jason >> ooh what kind if web biz?
[09:14] <tdn> How do I enable Desktop Effects in Kubuntu 7.04?
[09:14] <Biovore> !beryl
[09:14] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:14] <jason_20> debian: it would be supporting people using windows or ubuntu remotely
[09:14] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: hey whats up man.  and also, yah i did, i verfied the sum with k3b, i just downloaded it
[09:14] <jason_20> !epiphany
[09:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about epiphany - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:14] <debian> . o (wish beryl would work with my card)
[09:15] <debian> jason >> nice
[09:15] <jason_20> debian: what do you do?
[09:15] <Biovore> I have mesesd with it..  I don't realy like beryl... crash and does lot of weird stuff..
[09:15] <debian> jason >> im currently in high school.. its my senior year
[09:15] <debian> i odnt have a job yet
[09:15] <jason_20> Biovore: I agree, eyecandy is for showoffs, ok it is fun, but if you want your pc to work good don't use it
[09:15] <debian> but im looking for something in the comptuer repairing field
[09:16] <Biovore> Not much work there.. unless you work for dell or something..
[09:16] <zgmf-x20a> anyone else have any ideas?
[09:16] <BluesKaj> epiphany is a browser
[09:16] <debian> jason >> are you seeing my posts in PM?
[09:16] <jason_20> BluesKaj:  oh sorry mate i said wrong name.. whats it called...
[09:16] <debian> cause im getting a 505 error in PM
[09:16] <Biovore> !register
[09:16] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:16] <debian> jason >> i may have to register
[09:16] <debian> ok
[09:16] <debian> ill register
[09:16] <debian> one minute jaso
[09:17] <jason_20> sorry mate BluesKaj its Syloheed
[09:17] <jason_20> sylpheed*
[09:17] <squarebottle> Does anybody know any decent packages to make adding run commands to the KDE startup as intuitive as possible? As in, via a GUI, sort of like the Sessions tool in regular Ubuntu?
[09:17] <zgmf-x20a> hey can someone please help with the 7.04 desktop cd please.  i am trying to run it and it got stuck.  it says" /bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off" then under it it says "(initramfs)" and wants me to input something.  what should i do?
[09:17] <jason_20> debian:  no sorry mate registration is easy peasy tho you just type a command and a password
[09:17] <Biovore> squarebottle: make a script and put it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[09:17] <Biovore> not hard..
[09:18] <debian> brb im gonna register
[09:18] <Angelus> BluesKaj: you dont like Kmail ? :o
[09:18] <runlevelten> there's a startup apps module for control panel, or you can just open ~/.kde/Autostart in konqueror and add things by dragging and dropping them in there#
[09:18] <Biovore> KMail is ok..
[09:18] <andresj> @squarebottle There is a kcontrol module called kcontrol-autostart
[09:18] <ba_kubuntu> andresj: no such message from squarebottle
[09:18] <jason_20> zgmf-x20a:  sorry mate, i would take the advice of gettin a different cd, it should not do that, bad copy likely
[09:18] <andresj> squarebottle There is a kcontrol module called kcontrol-autostart
[09:18] <Angelus> Biovore: you still didnt tell me how to make /usr/local detectable :/
[09:18] <debian> unfiltered on
[09:18] <Biovore> add it to the path in /etc/profile..  I think..
[09:18] <zgmf-x20a> really??  i JUST dled and burnt.  aight ill try again.
[09:18] <Angelus> O_O
[09:18] <squarebottle> andresj: Unfortunately, that plugin doesn't allow the adding of commands with options
[09:19] <jason_20> zgmf-x20a:  try buring at a slower speed
[09:19] <BluesKaj> Kmail is ok, but it's " fugly "
[09:19] <jason_20> BluesKaj:  what about thunderbird?
[09:19] <andresj> oh, then you could create a script to add them as biovore said
[09:20] <Angelus> i see it nice BluesKaj
[09:20] <Angelus> everything in kde is nice
[09:20] <Angelus> :p
[09:20] <runlevelten> thunderbird is ok, but it's less stable and fast, and not so well integrated.
[09:20] <Angelus> Biovore: http://rafb.net/p/LaIp4i30.html where?
[09:20] <runlevelten> and obviously not so featureful.
[09:20] <BluesKaj> I'm moving away from mozilla stuff ..using t-bird now , but I'm going for a change
[09:20] <squarebottle> About that making a script.
[09:20] <Angelus> im not using mozilla anymore
[09:20] <Biovore> Angelus: try the bashrc file..
[09:20] <Angelus> im using konqueror now
[09:20] <jason_20> BluesKaj:  you could go back to terminal mail :P
[09:21] <squarebottle> Any particular tricks to making a script?
[09:21] <BluesKaj> yup, konq is my cuppa tea right now ...fast and clean
[09:21] <jason_20> squarebottle:  im a begginner on scripts one tip, is always start with #/bin/bash or something like that
[09:21] <runlevelten> fast, clean versatile without being memory-hungry.
[09:21] <debian> register debian
[09:21] <Biovore> Angelus: thats not it ether.. 1 sec..
[09:22] <runlevelten> !scripts
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scripts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:22] <jason_20> debian:  i'll be there to help in a sec
[09:22] <runlevelten> !search shell
[09:22] <squarebottle> I've gotta say, that's kind of a weakness in my opinion. KDE could use a good startup manager.
[09:22] <ubotu> Found: shell, e, uuid, dash, version, ssh, nothing, torrent
[09:22] <jason_20> !registration
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about registration - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:22] <BluesKaj> jason_20, I'm an old windows guy and some habits die hard , if you know what i mean :)
[09:22] <Angelus> yeah BluesKaj its nice because it has a kde look ;p
[09:22] <jason_20> !register
[09:22] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:22] <debian> reigster debian
[09:22] <runlevelten> squarebottle: Um, there is a startup manager
[09:22] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Oh really.
[09:22] <runlevelten> Besides which, I don't use it - who needs a whole app to replace opening .kde/Autostart in konqueror?
[09:22] <runlevelten> That's bloat.
[09:23] <sehe> runlevelten: hear hear
[09:23] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Bloat? Dude, how big is it?
[09:23] <sehe> hi everyone
[09:23] <jason_20> debian: type  msg nickserv register YOURPASSWORD  (but put a / in front)
[09:23] <sehe> squarebottle: bloat is bloat. gradations don't count
[09:23] <runlevelten> open ~/.kde/Autostart in konqueror. If you want to start a particular app in there, drag and drop it into that folder.
[09:24] <runlevelten> You don't need an app to manage that, because it's as easy as pie.
[09:24] <Biovore> Angelus: type "echo $PATH" in a shell..  do you see /usr/local/bin  in that list of paths.. ?  (was in my path here by default)
[09:24] <runlevelten> If you feel you need an app, you can use the kcontrol module.
[09:24] <squarebottle> runlevelten: If it doesn't get in the way and doesn't take up space, yet offers a new level of ease of use, I would call it a good thing.
[09:24] <squarebottle> runlevelten: And the trouble with that is that it doesn't allow you to start it with options.
[09:24] <andresj> squarebottle, you can start with this: http://rafb.net/p/bP4hDp20.html
[09:24] <sehe> squarebottle: some bloated things are Good Things (TM)
[09:24] <Angelus> Biovore: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[09:25] <Angelus> thats what i have
[09:25] <runlevelten> For system startup, you can use kde's init editor
[09:25] <debian> jason i dont know how to register
[09:25] <debian> i follow there instructions
[09:25] <jason_20> : debian: type  msg nickserv register YOURPASSWORD  (but put a / in front)
[09:25] <debian> but i dont know what to do
[09:25] <debian> nickserv whats that? is it #kubuntu?
[09:25] <Biovore> Angelus: ok so if to install samba based at /usr/local/ it should find it..  Please not you will need to re-write the init script..
[09:25] <jason_20> no just nickserv
[09:25] <dr_Willis> its a bot, thats running on the server
[09:25] <runlevelten> squarebottle: 1. there is nothing easier than a single drag and drop operation, and 2. sure you can start it with options, just edit the dropped app's properties.
[09:25] <squarebottle> Everybody: Who are you all kidding? A graphical startup manager, if you think that's bloat... Have you forgotten what real bloat is? Like, Yahoo Jukebox. That's bloat.
[09:25] <Angelus> which init script Biovore ?
[09:26] <sehe> squarebottle: hehe no topping that one
[09:26] <Biovore> Angelus: /etc/init.d/samba
[09:26] <debian> that didnt work
[09:26] <Angelus> ah
[09:26] <Angelus> ok
[09:26] <Biovore> That starts and stop samba
[09:26] <Biovore> but its for the ubuntu version.. not yours..
[09:26] <runlevelten> squarebottle: You drop the icon, in the folder. To add options, edit the shortcut. You can even drop a whole script or app in there if you want.
[09:26] <squarebottle> runlevelten: And seriously. How many KB would it be, and do you think it would really get in the way? If you really have such a low tolerance for "bloat," then why aren't you using Gentoo or LFS?
[09:26] <runlevelten> What, in the name of all that's logical, do you need to manage about that?
[09:26] <sehe> *morale* bloat means different things to different people. it is, therefore, by definition subjective
[09:27] <Biovore> rgr
[09:27] <Angelus> i dont have a samba script there Biovore?
[09:27] <Angelus> O_O
[09:27] <runlevelten> squarebottle: You've been told there's kcm for your purposes, if that's what you want, then you choose it.
[09:27] <jason_20> copy and paste /msg nickserver register YOURPASSHERE
[09:27] <Biovore> Angelus: you have samba install from the repos?
[09:27] <sehe> *analogy* some like their coffee sweet, some like it dark. it is still coffee and there's no law against either
[09:27] <jason_20> you done it debiani386?
[09:27] <Angelus> no Biovore from there official site
[09:28] <zabadapp> yeah, everyone is familiar with dragging and dropping stuff on the desktop and into folders ... why complicate things?
[09:28] <debiani386> im getting ther ejason
[09:28] <jason_20> lol
[09:28] <jason_20> i was confused too
[09:28] <runlevelten> No, bloat is wrapping a *SINGLE* intuitive drag and drop operation in the GUI with a full-scale app with various widgets.
[09:28] <squarebottle> runlevelten: How do you think KCM compares to the the Sessions thing in GNOME Ubuntu? I prefer KDE myself, but you've got to recognize where other things are better, mate.
[09:28] <sehe> zabadapp: because complicated, again, is a very subjective attribute
[09:28] <debiani386> ok i registered my password
[09:28] <Biovore> Angelus: type "dpkg -l | grep samba" in a shell.  Do you see samba-common
[09:28] <debiani386> or passphrase
[09:28] <jason_20> ok nice one we can PM now
[09:28] <debiani386> typed the exact stuff yiou tole me to type
[09:28] <sehe> debiani386: congrats :D
[09:28] <debiani386> except the "passphrase part"
[09:28] <debiani386> lol sehe
[09:28] <jason_20> debiani386:  well done mate
[09:29] <debiani386> no still didnt work
[09:29] <runlevelten> Sessions in Gnome is better than what exactly?
[09:29] <Angelus> yeah Biovore and i c ouldnt remove that cause it removes kubuntu-desktop too
[09:29] <runlevelten> Oh look, whatever, heh.
[09:29] <squarebottle> runlevelten: It's intuitive. My parents can use it.
[09:29] <jason_20> erm i just typed that in this chat room and made a password up
[09:29] <zabadapp> but I can agree with it being "too easy" ... I was looking for a gui at first
[09:29] <sehe> *observation* funny how much of this boils down to 'mine is bigger than yours'. i haven't heard that in a while
[09:29] <runlevelten> I'd recognise where something is better. 3 radio buttons if you want to manage sessions, 1 drag and drop op to add an app to start up.
[09:30] <sehe> @more ... though I will be hearing some of that when my second child is 18 months or so :D:D:D
[09:30] <Biovore> Angelus: thats fine.. but you don't have a package called "samba" though..  samba-common is just some stuff so the OS can mount samba shares.
[09:31] <Biovore> Angelus: Its not a samba server
[09:31] <Angelus> yeah Biovore, i installed samba myself from source dough
[09:31] <Biovore> Angelus: what was you ./configure line like?
[09:31] <squarebottle> runlevelten: You keep going back to the drag and drop thing. That's great, except not everybody even knows where the applications are in the first place to do that.
[09:31] <runlevelten> squarebottle: Gnome is terrible from a UI design standpoint, and breaks with lots of day 1 rookie understanding of UI design. There are only so many people who can claim their parents are great with it.
[09:31] <Angelus> and now its not giving me errors cause i changed the path to /usr/local Biovore ! :D
[09:31] <debiani386> i cant register it for some reason
[09:31] <debiani386> it wont let me
[09:31] <jason_20> it might be your name
[09:31] <squarebottle> runlevelten: I'm not saying GNOME is better.
[09:31] <jason_20> copy and paste this
[09:31] <runlevelten> squarebottle: Stop gnome trolling. I really don't care. Enjoy whatever you want.
[09:31] <debiani386> debiani386 is not registered when i go to register
[09:31] <sehe> *philosophy* is source dough the stuff that code pie is baked of?
[09:31] <runlevelten> Dialog ends.
[09:31] <Biovore> Angelus: it it complaining it can't fine it's configuration file..
[09:31] <debiani386> i mean i can register
[09:31] <debiani386> but i cant pm
[09:31] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Dude. KDE kicks GNOME's ass.
[09:32] <Angelus> Biovore:  i just had installed the samba /usr/local/samba thats what i had wrong. now that i compiled and installed to /usr/local everything is working fine
[09:32] <squarebottle> runlevelten: But if you don't think there's a competitive relationship between the two that they can both benefit from.. then.. Well..
[09:32] <jason_20> Ahh i see
[09:32] <Biovore> Angelus: ok.. is it working then?
[09:32] <jason_20> do you have skype or gaim?
[09:32] <Angelus> yeah Biovore
[09:32] <Erwin> msg erwin_ register nijntje
[09:32] <debiani386> jason >> im using konversation
[09:32] <debiani386> but i do have gaim
[09:33] <Biovore> bbl
[09:33] <Angelus> ah Biovore
[09:33] <sehe> runlevelten: just admit you fueled it at leat a bit :D I'm with you *and* the others. Think about it: if *everybody* agreed that drag-and-drop was simple enuf, who would *write* the application? That  requires an effort above some critical mass to get done
[09:33] <jason_20> debiani386:  give us one of your accounts for msn or yahoo or aim
[09:33] <Angelus> before you go , what does the /init.d/samba script do ?
[09:33] <debiani386> yahoo : debian_i386
[09:33] <jason_20> debiani386:  thanks mate
[09:33] <squarebottle> runlevelten: I fueled it at least a little bit? Eh?
[09:33] <debiani386> 1 sec let me login to yahoo
[09:33] <debiani386> ok im in
[09:34] <runlevelten> I believe the ability to manage KDE startup exists in all permutations wanted.
[09:35] <sehe> *runlevelten one step close to brahman*
[09:35] <sehe> closer*
[09:35] <squarebottle> runlevelten: I guess, but.. I don't really think I said anything inappropriate or antagonistic here. I just think that the startup is one area that KDE could improve on. And hey, KDE 4 is on the way, so maybe they will!
[09:35] <Ben_Cs> hello
[09:35] <squarebottle> runlevelten: It could be more intuitive.
[09:35] <sehe> Ben_Cs: hello u 2
[09:35] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Dragging and dropping to a *hidden* folder is inherently not intuitive, for the record.
[09:36] <Angelus> BluesKaj:  are you here??
[09:36] <Ben_Cs> i've been using KDE for several days now (been using Gnome before) and i'm loving it!
[09:36] <runlevelten> squarebottle: Good for you. Another app implementing the same thing would be at best redundant, but then KDE isn't about doing things one way and having no choice.
[09:36] <sehe> Ben_Cs: poor thing. here's your channel: #AAA
[09:36] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Agreed. So don't include it in kde-base or kde-core or whatever. Include it in the big, happy meta package.
[09:37] <droach> i want to get into embedded linux development does anyone know any good sites where i can get started
[09:37] <runlevelten> Again though, as far as I'm aware, a kcm exists that does what you ask.
[09:37] <phoenixz> Anybody knows if and when pidgin (new name for Gaim) will be available for kubuntu?
[09:37] <sehe> droach: i don
[09:37] <runlevelten> If a distro packager wants, they can provide a link to the autostart folder anywehere they want to. Yet nobody has done so. :)
[09:38] <sehe> droach: i don't know, but i'm pretty sure this ain't the channel :D I have yet to see embedded ubuntu, let alone kubuntu...
[09:38] <runlevelten> So you know, it can't be that regular a gripe.
[09:38] <dr_Willis> I can honestly say.. i dont have much need for the Autostart dir. :)
[09:38] <droach> im only asking cuz i want to get one of those kbyte zipits and start developing for it
[09:38] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Again though, KCM could certainly be a little bit better. You say that it can deal with options, but I actually was having difficulty with exactly that.
[09:38] <sehe> dr_Willis: me too. I just hitch the ride with ksmserver, which will happily remember the session and serve it up next time.
[09:38] <squarebottle> runlevelten: That's it. I'm not out to get you, dude. :P
[09:38] <dr_Willis> I do find the use of different places for 'trash' with kde/gnome/other disrtos/desktops/filemanagers to be a bit annoying.
[09:39] <sehe> dr_Willis: i don't do mixed desktops, but I reckon there might be a way using (sym)links?
[09:39] <runlevelten> I haven't used the KCM. I've overseen migrations to suse with KDE, and I've never, ever seen anyone have a problem getting their around "open this folder and drop your apps in it"
[09:39] <squarebottle> runlevelten: But they have to ask.
[09:40] <sehe> runlevelten: you could have a courtesy hyperlink to that particular folder?
[09:40] <dr_Willis> sehe,  some of them use different layouts for the trash dir also. :)
[09:40] <sehe> dr_Willis: i feared that, but I never checked. Shame indeed
[09:40] <dr_Willis> then ya got the use of the 'trash' dirs on removeable media.. thats gotten me confused a few times
[09:40] <phoenixz> Anybody knows when the next kubuntu version will be available?
[09:40] <squarebottle> runlevelten: It's not right there. The closer we get to a system where people never even need to ask for help, not even asking Uncle Google, the better. At least, if you're aiming to be intuitive and all that jazz.
[09:40] <runlevelten> Forgive me if I sound a little stubborn however, as I'm whacked out on infection + loads of drugs.
[09:40] <dr_Willis> october is the next release...
[09:40] <sehe> dr_Willis: well that's inherent. I can't think of better ways (look at NTFS on WinNT+, they have the same issues)
[09:41] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Heh heh, understood
[09:41] <sehe> runlevelten: Poor thing. Here's *your* channel: #AAA
[09:41] <sehe> *lol*
[09:41] <runlevelten> squarebottle: I don't know who they're asking, but they work out how to do it without my interaction :)
[09:41] <squarebottle> runlevelten: But to be fair, and I think we can all agree to this... Naming the startup manager "Sessions" is rather unintuitive and certainly... questionable.
[09:42] <dr_Willis> Sessions is perhaps more accurate in ways. :)
[09:42] <sehe> dr_Willis: personally, I don't use trash cans. I use managed backups, and SHIFT+delete as many times as possibel:D
[09:42] <dr_Willis> if its really managing a whole 'session'
[09:42] <squarebottle> runlevelten: More accurate? Yes. More intuitive? No.
[09:42] <squarebottle> er
[09:42] <squarebottle> that was @ dr_Willis.
[09:42] <runlevelten> on the courtesy link... well, let me say "exactly". That's exactly what everyone would be doing if it was a big problem, including me. :)
[09:43] <dr_Willis> intuitive for one.. is not for another. :)
[09:43] <dr_Willis> i dont want to manage what 'starts up' i want to manage the whole 'session', so one named 'startups' would be less intituve.,
[09:43] <runlevelten> KDE uses session management. Startup apps is not session management, tbf.
[09:43] <sehe> dr_Willis: session makes me happy, and I know how it works, without having to drag a single file to any folder at all *ever* --happy blasphemy deleted--
[09:43] <dr_Willis> Go the Windows way. Name it 'My startup and sessions and other usleess eye candy control panel "
[09:43] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Is it a huge problem? No, 'course not. Is there room for improvement as far as being intuitive goes in this particular area? In my opinion yes.
[09:44] <squarebottle> dr_Willis: I think that you'd be able to figure it out still if it was called "Startup Manager" or something like that. ;0
[09:44] <runlevelten> That's where gnome falls short though. Redundant overengineering of features in an attempt at "Usability" that break usability.
[09:44] <dr_Willis> I though there was one named startup-manager
[09:44] <dr_Willis> :)
[09:44] <sehe> *observation* notice, how suddenly, the kids started yelling 'there are 2 sides to the coin' in an attempt to shout it louder than the others
[09:44] <runlevelten> The "Places" menu is the best possible example of that. It may as well be called misc.
[09:45] <dr_Willis> with my desktop 'widgets, and gizmos'
[09:45] <sehe> dr_Willis: go to an 'all-you-can-eat' diner :D
[09:45] <dr_Willis> and a 'things' menu for stuff that dont belong in stuff..
[09:45] <dr_Willis> :)
[09:45] <squarebottle> runlevelten: How about this.
[09:45] <runlevelten> dr_Willis: That's what the Places menu is. They migt as well call it "Oops! we stuffed up removing stuff. Here's some misc leftovers."
[09:45] <sehe> squarebottle: agreed
[09:46] <dr_Willis> 'lost and found' menu item is my fave.
[09:46] <sehe> dr_Willis: really? what do you keep therein hehe
[09:46] <squarebottle> runlevelten: What if we just had it so the KCM does what it already does, but additionally could create and edit a startup script like what you guys proposed to have me do earlier?
[09:46] <dr_Willis> sehe,  'google maps' shortcut. :)
[09:47] <sehe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=boulimia
[09:47] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Would you call that an improvement to KCM?
[09:47] <runlevelten> Let me install the autostart Kcontrol Module and look at it.
[09:48] <dr_Willis> runlevelten,  thats what i was thinking of. :) i think.... heh
[09:49] <sehe> *analogy* TIMTOWTDI see for example apt: There are at least 5 big, full-feature apt clients. Yet there is also http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[09:49] <sehe> ... in case you want to have a idfferent way to manage repositories
[09:50] <dr_Willis> source-o-matic is an apt client? it was just a sources.list generator last i looked.
[09:50] <runlevelten> I'm not sure I like that idea though, you're creating scripts.. what language? what editor componenuage
[09:50] <sehe> dr_Willis: no - i wrote 2 lines:D
[09:50] <dr_Willis> I just manage mine with a text editor. :)
[09:50] <runlevelten> *componenet etc, why are we wrapping a copy action in an app, etc.
[09:50] <sehe> dr_Willis: i think 90% of us do. Yet the other 10% use adept, synaptic, aptitude, automatix2, http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[09:50] <dr_Willis> lets go back to just using the xlib libraries! yea.!
[09:51] <zgmf-x20a> hey can someone please help with the 7.04 desktop cd please.  i am trying to run it and it got stuck.  it says" /bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off" then under it it says "(initramfs)" and wants me to input something.  what should i do?
[09:51] <sehe> xlib? ------------------> ncurses
[09:51] <runlevelten> It's not very unixy, you're duplicating all sorts of really simple stuff in a fairly unnecessary app, it all seems a bit windows/gnome like
[09:51] <zgmf-x20a> ps... reburning it doesnt work....
[09:51] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Up to whoever feels like making it! The people using it wouldn't care. They'd just want an easy GUI to add programs to the startup from one place, with the ability to add options just like a run command.
[09:51] <dr_Willis> Click-and-run! :)
[09:51] <squarebottle> runlevelten: Not very Unixy? Erm. This has nothing to do with posix standards, heh.
[09:51] <word> Hello..when trying to install a package created via checkinstall I get this error - "trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/ld', which is also in package binutils" any ideas?
[09:52] <sehe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=hit-and-run
[09:52] <zgmf-x20a> hey can someone please help with the 7.04 desktop cd please.  i am trying to run it and it got stuck.  it says" /bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off" then under it it says "(initramfs)" and wants me to input something.  what should i do?
[09:52] <runlevelten> If you want to "Make" it though, move your startup to somewhere obvious and non-hidden (Maybe Desktop/STARTUP) and create a link to it called "Startup manager".
[09:52] <sehe> zgmf-x20a: i've heard that error before. Have you googled it?
[09:53] <runlevelten> posix standards unixy? :| try do one thing.
[09:53] <dr_Willis> how often does one add/remove things to the startup anyway? i always ended up with the session manager, startingh extra copies. :)
[09:53] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: that the initial system tring to mount the CD and startup the live CD OS..  Something is messed with the disk if its not working..
[09:53] <dr_Willis> well bbl
[09:53] <squarebottle> runlevelten: And for the record, having a startup folder and putting links in it... That's what Windows does. :P
[09:53] <sehe> squarebottle: is there a point?
[09:53] <dr_Willis> squarebottle,  windows does it so well - it has 12+ places to 'startup' things! :)
[09:53] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: it CANT be, i just RE dled the iso, AND re bruned it on a fresh disk
[09:53] <squarebottle> sehe: He accused me of being like Microsoft.
[09:53] <squarebottle> sehe: (and Gnome.)
[09:53] <runlevelten> ...and is also what other OSes had been doing for at least ten years when windows was first released...
[09:53] <dr_Willis> lately that 'startup folder' in windos seems to be the LAST place anything adds itself to get auto-ran at boot.
[09:54] <dr_Willis> off to da store. bye
[09:54] <zgmf-x20a> argh..... looks like im going to have to use the 6.10 disk.... bc that works
[09:54] <sehe> squarebottle: poor you. Here's *your* channel #paranoid
[09:54] <sehe> dr_Willis: most of wich are completely hidden and unmanageable by the user
[09:54] <runlevelten> Heh - "links to apps to autostart" really isn't a windows invention.
[09:54] <runlevelten> :)
[09:54] <squarebottle> sehe: Paranoid? I fail to see the paranoia, lol.
[09:55] <spike_s> hmm Konversation reminds me strongly of Colloquy
[09:55] <spike_s> how odd
[09:55] <spike_s> how are you folks
[09:55] <sehe> he's trying to diminish me by *doing x*... paranoia
[09:55] <squarebottle> runlevelten: No, it isn't, but if you wanted to knock points off my suggestion for being "Windowsy and Gnomey," then... ;)
[09:55] <sehe> runlevelten: would there be a point to *that* then...
[09:56] <sehe> *wisdom* stupider things have been said, but a lot of smarter things have been forgotten
[09:56] <czer323> I like that Kubuntu has many more options.
[09:56] <sehe> spike_s: that depends on the definition of newbie, and further the taste of the test-person
[09:56] <squarebottle> sehe: It's a friendly debate, hehe. Of course he's going after my points. lol
[09:57] <runlevelten> Points? I wasn't... I was only saying how it struck me, it wasn't some kind of ad hominem thing :)
[09:57] <czer323> Though, the amount of options can be somewhat intimidating at first.  but it leaves a lot of room for growth.
[09:57] <spike_s> sehe: they really don't know.. to them computer is computer.. they know WIndows 98/XP basics and that's about it
[09:57] <squarebottle> runlevelten: The only person who said it was ad hominem was sehe. I didn't think you were attacking me.
[09:57] <spike_s> so we'll see
[09:57] <sehe> spike_s: serve them ubuntu, my take on it
[09:57] <squarebottle> runlevelten: I just thought you were... making an observation and accompanying it with a point..
[09:57] <runlevelten> spike_s: I wouldn't say so.  I opened "Get New Wallpapers" from KDesktop but I want to download all the wallpapers. How can I install all of them "by one click"?
[09:58] <sehe> runlevelten: if you have the time and spike_s: the  'acceptance factor'
[09:59] <albertmk> not by installing one by one, which is bad and takes time!
[09:59] <sehe> spike_s: let's face it, to me gnome is numb, but for the average user, gnome is 20 x win98
[09:59] <runlevelten> windowsy
[09:59] <squarebottle> runlevelten, sehe, and dr_Willis: Anyway, I should get going, comrades. Thanks for the conversation. :)
[09:59] <sehe> squarebottle: have a good one
[10:00] <spike_s> yeah.. I'm thinking Kubuntu though cause I do not want how to do so and so calls in the middle of the night
[10:00] <runlevelten> oops. should have gone in the find widget, duh
[10:00] <runlevelten> later squarebottle
[10:00] <spike_s> I've thought about getting the No Starch Press book "Ubuntu for Non-Geeks" and just sticking with regular Ubuntu though
[10:00] <spike_s> but I am not sure if that book will be necessary or just confuse her more
[10:00] <Endler> Better to have lots of options you don't need at the moment, than missing options for things you'd really like to customize.   Gnome, drives me crazy with its lack of customization options.
[10:00] <sehe> runlevelten: i don't know bout windowsy. To me, KDE is like widnows in keyboard support, rich feature set. I think gnome is easier, and has the 80% features average users want
[10:01] <albertmk> No solution for my question?
[10:01] <albertmk> :-(
[10:01] <spike_s> I'm primarily a Mac OS X user myself though I use XP Pro at work (not my choice)
[10:01] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: fyi, looked online for abit.  yah its a bug with the 7.04 distro for configurations like mine....  irritating.... lol.  6.10 it is
[10:01] <sehe> Endler: true. The crux is in 'things you'd like to customize'. This parameter varies wildly across the population :D:D
[10:01] <albertmk> spike_s: you should get out of this job right now! :-P
[10:01] <sehe> albertmk: becos?
[10:01] <spike_s> albertmk: what job?
[10:01] <spike_s> I do DSL tech support
[10:01] <spike_s> I hate my job
[10:01] <runlevelten> heh
[10:01] <sehe> albertmk: you offer him a job using linux that pays as much?
[10:02] <albertmk> sehe: that was a joke
[10:02] <spike_s> I need to live in San Diego and make approx $35/hr preferably
[10:02] <sehe> albertmk: uhoh how'd i miss that ROTFL
[10:02] <Endler> I can't imagine how the Gnome devs and believe that they can decide the "one and only best way" for everyone.
[10:02] <spike_s> right now I'm in Shreveport, LA and making $14/hr
[10:02] <albertmk> sehe: you got a very good sense of humor
[10:02] <spike_s> any offers will be seriously considered
[10:02] <spike_s> I've worked in Call Centers and doing Network Engineering and support work for past 7 years
[10:02] <spike_s> :)
[10:03] <spike_s> lol
[10:03] <runlevelten> Endler: I've tangled with them when trying to provide features. Stuff doing that ever again.
[10:03] <sehe> *bows to albertmk*
[10:03] <spike_s> but no joke
[10:03] <runlevelten> They don't like work, and will use any adjectives they can find to spin "unfinished". Bottom line.
[10:03] <Endler> It's too bad, because otherwise I don't mind Gnome.  Gnome with freedom to choose your own options would be pretty good.
[10:04] <sehe> Endler: I honestly think all desktop dev menages should have zealots like that. It makes people care about details. And, of course, all parties are 'wrong'
[10:04] <runlevelten> I don't dislike gnome hugely - and even if I hated gnome, I dislike homogeny and lack of choice more.
[10:04] <albertmk> problem: I am configuring my KDesktop and I want more Wallpapers. I opened "Get New Wallpapers" from KDesktop but I want to download all the wallpapers. How can I install all of them "by one click"? Not by installing one by one, which is bad and takes time.
[10:04] <sehe> Endler: i don't see how you couldn't choose options. It would only prove to be more work at some spots, less in others
[10:05] <dr_Willis> the world will end due to a lack of good wallpapers.. :)
[10:05] <sehe> I like KDE for throwing all features in my face, directly accessible without using the mouse.
[10:05] <sehe> Average joe would despise KDE for that same reason
[10:05] <runlevelten> sehe: agreed.
[10:06] <albertmk> like Katapult?
[10:06] <runlevelten> "Our users are not dummies." ~ a KDE dev who shall remain nameless.
[10:06] <wastedfluid> lol
[10:06] <sehe> runlevelten: of course there are a lot of dummies who haven't found out yet
[10:07] <sehe> albertmk: you could of course donwload them manually and copy them over to the proper directory (once you find it using e.g. slocate)
[10:08] <albertmk> sehe: indeed, but I want to download all of them from KDesktop. That would be great :-)
[10:08] <sehe> very smart people will even realize that desktops should adapt to the task at hand. I prefer gnome when mousing from the couch
[10:08] <hydrogen> thats a gross overgeneralization runlevelten
[10:08] <runlevelten> and it's not just for devs, the average medium-experienced computer user will find lots in KDE to please them.
[10:08] <hydrogen> I've met a lot of kde users that are dummies
[10:08] <Endler> I've set up several "average joes," and they are all just fine with KDE.
[10:08] <Pupeno2> Anyone would like to try to build "Score Reading Trainer" before I release it? so that I know someone else can build it, run it and it basically works... if someone wants to do more testing, you are welcome!
[10:08] <sehe> hydrogen: i'm afraid he knows that...
[10:08] <runlevelten> hydrogen: Me too, heh.
[10:08] <sehe> hydrogen: he tried to warn you of that in the small subsenteces
[10:09] <spike_s> Pupeno2: this is for music?
[10:09] <sehe> Pupeno: yes! as in musical score?
[10:09] <Sir_Lewk> is there an easy way to upgrade to KDE 3.5.7?  Kubuntu seems to currently use 3.5.6
[10:09] <Pupeno2> spike_s: yes.
[10:09] <sehe> Pupeno2: that's just down my ally
[10:09] <Endler> These average joes used to screw up their Windows machines all the time too, and so far in over a year haven't managed to screw up their Linux boxes.
[10:09] <runlevelten> It speaks volumes about developer attitude though. Especially if you spend 5 minutes reading "elsewhere"'s HCI/developer chatter.
[10:09] <Pupeno2> sehe: yes.
[10:09] <spike_s> yes hydrogen, I know about that
[10:10] <sehe> Pupeno2: bring it on!
[10:10] <spike_s> Pupeno2: I'd build it except I have no idea how to build in Kubuntu or if it even comes with devtools installed.. secondly my sound card on this box doesn't work
[10:10] <runlevelten> Speaking of chatter, I'm going to shut up. This lethal cocktail of (prescription) drugs is making me babble.
[10:10] <spike_s> <--- musician
[10:10] <sehe> Pupeno2: is it not your source code?
[10:10] <sehe> !info build-essentials | Pupeno2
[10:10] <ubotu> pupeno2: Package build-essentials does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:11] <sehe> !info build-essential | Pupeno2
[10:11] <ubotu> pupeno2: build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[10:11] <sehe> sehe <-- guilty as charged
[10:11] <Pupeno2> spike_s: it doesn't emit any sound yet.
[10:11] <sehe> runlevelten: i hadn't even considered the implications for support :D
[10:12] <sehe> Pupeno2: please can i have it too?   :)  I heard it used to be customizable once upon a time. :)
[10:12] <Angelus> ah
[10:12] <Angelus> sehe:
[10:12] <Angelus> does ktorrent have a sheduler
[10:12] <Angelus> ?
[10:12] <Angelus> O_o
[10:12] <sehe> Endler: that's one outrageous saga. Wonder if it could be true ........
[10:13] <sehe> Angelus: *whistle* did I mention I use bittornado (command line)?
[10:13] <sehe> Pupeno2: yeah
[10:13] <Angelus> dunno
[10:13] <Angelus> lol
[10:13] <Endler> Isn't that what they do in all their usibility studies?
[10:13] <sehe> Angelus: *hint* It could just be I did *hehe*
[10:14] <Pupeno2> http://files.pupeno.com/ScoreReadingTrainer-0.1.4.tar.bz2
[10:14] <sehe> Endler: I haven't been in one, so.... could still be verified
[10:14] <runlevelten> It did. If you pick through the sources and changes over the years, there's usually a bunch of features that have been disabled - apparently because they needed porting or fixing.
[10:14] <runlevelten> Oops - for usability improvements.
[10:14] <sehe> heh
[10:14] <sehe> hehe*
[10:15] <romml> schnen guten abend allerseits
[10:15] <spike_s> Pupeno2: do you compile stuff using gcc at the command line in Kubuntu?
[10:15] <runlevelten> guten abend romml
[10:15] <runlevelten> !de
[10:15] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:15] <sehe> Pupeno2: .configure ok
[10:16] <Pupeno2> spike_s: yes.
[10:16] <sehe> Pupeno2: make ok
[10:16] <Endler> Does anyone think KDE 4.0 will be usable on release in Oct?  I tried the beta, and it has a long way to go in just two months.
[10:16] <romml> danke runlevelten
[10:16] <spike_s> does Kubuntu come with gcc?
[10:16] <sehe> spike_s:  not out of the box
[10:16] <spike_s> that's weird
[10:16] <sehe> !info build-essential | Pupeno2
[10:16] <ubotu> pupeno2: build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[10:16] <Pupeno2> spike_s: I think you have to install it afterwards.
[10:16] <sehe> !info build-essential | spike_s
[10:16] <ubotu> spike_s: build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[10:16] <sehe> sorry
[10:17] <spike_s> how tiny
[10:17] <Erwin> does anyone have any experience with kubuntu on the new imac?
[10:17] <sehe> spike_s: it's called a meta-package
[10:17] <spike_s> I think I'll not install that for now.. not until I'm ready
[10:17] <sehe> spike_s: contains dependencies to drag in the troops
[10:17] <sehe> spike_s: it doesn't eat sillicium while it sits around waiting for you :D
[10:17] <spike_s> I'm still trying to understand why Adept Package Manager will not run properly
[10:18] <spike_s> it says there are 26 updates avail but when I click it to open it I put in my root password and then it says it's already running
[10:18] <spike_s> which is stupid
[10:18] <sehe> Pupeno2: nice it was in the KDE menu after 'make install'
[10:18] <sehe> spike_s: unless.... it is already running
[10:18] <Pupeno2> sehe: Excellente!
[10:18] <spike_s> Erwin the aluminum and glass iMac??
[10:19] <Pupeno2> spike_s: maybe you have something else running that is using the apt backend.
[10:19] <spike_s> how does one take a screenshot in KDE?
[10:19] <sehe> !ksnapshot | spike_s
[10:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksnapshot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:20] <sehe> !info ksnapshot | spike_s
[10:20] <ubotu> spike_s: ksnapshot: screenshot utility for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 172 kB, installed size 432 kB
[10:20] <spike_s> Pupeno2: the only things I'm running are Konqueror, Kopete, and Konversation, and that wallet thing in the tray
[10:20] <Pupeno2> spike_s: ksnapshot or print screen.
[10:20] <sehe> Pupeno2: ok i got the hang of it.
[10:20] <Pupeno2> spike_s: there are many things running in the back.
[10:21] <Pupeno2> spike_s: what is exactly the error message?
[10:21] <runlevelten> bitte, btw.
[10:22] <sehe> Pupeno2: i'll pms a link to the screenshot
[10:22] <BluesKaj> hmm, well i have kmail configured and working but it's missing in the k-menu
[10:22] <sehe> !paste-bin | spike_s
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about paste-bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <sehe> !pastebin | spike_s
[10:22] <ubotu> spike_s: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:22] <spike_s> Database Locked - Adept Updater
[10:22] <spike_s> Another process is using the packaging system database
[10:22] <spike_s> etc etc
[10:22] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix
[10:22] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:23] <sehe> spike_s: it probably means you have a job running (e.g. in a shell) that locks it (apt-get, adept, synaptic, aptitude, dpkg the whole mess)
[10:23] <sehe> BluesKaj: ooo nice one for in my own factoids
[10:24] <spike_s> so that is setting up a bunch of packages that I tried to install previously
[10:24] <sehe> Pupeno2: Trust me, easy 123 install. KDE 3.5.6, heavy dev machine (many libs / dev headers installed)
[10:24] <sehe> Pupeno2: is there any way i can enter notes using a keyboard (pc or midi)?
[10:25] <sehe> Pupeno2: i'm developing carpal tunnel syndrome already
[10:25] <sehe> spike_s: completing the config steps for any incompleted installs (postbuild scripts)
[10:25] <Pupeno2> sehe: Thank you.
[10:26] <BluesKaj> yeah, keep the lil black book text file with common fixes on the desktop
[10:26] <Pupeno2> sehe: midi is not available yet, there's a patch somewhere for that and I'm rewritting the whole thing with midi in mind.
[10:26] <sehe> Pupeno2: any chance on PC keyboard input?
[10:26] <Pupeno2> sehe: what do you mean by pc keyboard?
[10:26] <sehe> Pupeno2: I could set the high score :D Not using the mouse
[10:26] <adenicio> how do i see my actual speed that im connected?
[10:26] <sehe> Pupeno2: erm.... the one I assume you are typing on right now?
[10:27] <Pupeno2> sehe: that's already working. the home row works as a piano.
[10:27] <sehe> adenicio: a number of online tools. For wifi, see iwconfig -v
[10:27] <sehe> Pupeno2: thanks, i needed the hint :(
[10:28] <Pupeno2> sehe: it's standard kde shortcuts, so you can re-assing them.
[10:28] <spike_s> ok now it seems to be downloading the updates, wonderful
[10:28] <Erwin> spike_s: yeah the aluminium one
[10:29] <Pupeno2> sehe: thank you for the screenshot! :)
[10:29] <sehe> Pupeno2: smart solution :D clever from the dev viewpoint. Think accelerator, not input event :D
[10:29] <Pupeno2> sehe: thanks :)
[10:30] <spike_s> Erwin: from what I know it should run it fine, it's just yet another Core2 Mac system like all the others
[10:30] <sehe> Pupeno2: is there a way to extend the range? Bit unintuitive, if a  follows c' that i have to jump to a' (somewhere around 'k' key)
[10:30] <spike_s> some of the drives may need to be updated since it has a different keyboard and hard drive controller (SATA II)
[10:30] <sehe> Pupeno2: put it in your scrapbook, or maybe on the site (is there any?)
[10:30] <Pupeno2> sehe: I don't follow, extend which range? the notes? yes, in the configuration dialog.
[10:30] <Pupeno2> sehe: there's a site: http://scret.sf.net
[10:30] <spike_s> overall it's the same hardware wise as the previous model, just a different chip, runs colder and is thinner due to construction materials.
[10:31] <Pupeno2> brb
[10:31] <sehe> Pupeno2: i'll see you in private message - this is flooding the channel
[10:31] <erwin_> spike_s: i also thought so, the only thing i a bit concerned of is the ati grapics card
[10:31] <spike_s> the WiFi probalby supports N out of the box but so did the other one with the updater
[10:31] <spike_s> erwin_: ahh, jes..  Also, how does this relate to e.g. GNU solfege?
[10:40] <syst> hello
[10:40] <sehe> Pupeno2: i'd like to (1) set automatic scroll speed (just drop the missed notes) (2) set an exercise length (3) keep score stats (uploadable?)
[10:40] <sehe> hi syst
[10:41] <sehe> Pupeno2: after adding more keyboard shortcuts (below D and above L) i could get a reasonable speed going
[10:41] <syst> may i ask a question?
[10:41] <sehe> !ask | syst
[10:41] <ubotu> syst: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:41] <syst> I NEED INFO ABOUT KWIN
[10:41] <sehe> !info kwin | syst
[10:41] <ubotu> syst: kwin: the KDE window manager. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.2 (feisty), package size 1025 kB, installed size 3328 kB
[10:41] <syst> KWIN COMPOSITE
[10:41] <sehe> syst: any thing in particular?
[10:42] <sehe> syst: kwin != composite. If you want composite, use beryl or compiz
[10:42] <sehe> !composite | syst
[10:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about composite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <tsdgeos> although kwin will have composite in the future
[10:42] <sehe> !compiz | syst
[10:42] <ubotu> syst: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:42] <sehe> tsdgeos: good call. i didn't know that yet
[10:43] <syst> thank you
[10:43] <tsdgeos> sehe: http://youtube.com/results?search_query=kwin&search=Search
[10:43] <tsdgeos> it's quite cool
[10:43] <tsdgeos> well
[10:43] <tsdgeos> it's basically what compiz does
[10:43] <tsdgeos> but with kwin godess
[10:44] <sehe> *give me a godess any day*
[10:44] <syst> yes i know but with me it doesn't work
[10:44] <syst> and i have anything do
[10:44] <sehe> syst: it's certainly not kubuntu supported yet :) so either #off-topic or #ubuntu+1...
[10:44] <sheldonc> anybody run a RAID setup?
[10:44] <syst> it'a a problem of config
[10:44] <sehe> sheldonc: have run why?
[10:45] <sheldonc> sehe: did you notice a difference in boot time?
[10:45] <BluesKaj> kmail is missing from the k-menu ...didn't notice it before cuz i was using thunderbird ... any ideas how to find the icon ..it's installed
[10:45] <sheldonc> I am interested in striping, but only if it pays off in improved load times
[10:45] <syst> sorry anybody i must go....it's my child
[10:45] <syst> goodbye
[10:45] <syst> and thanks
[10:45] <sehe> sheldonc: only with IDE fakeraid. It uses BIOS support, but the bois is onchip in the PCI card. It requires some 20 to 60 seconds to load, and scan the drives for arrays
[10:46] <sehe> syst: bye
[10:46] <sehe> sheldonc: if you use software raid (see dmraid) i believe you can bypass the array detectioin by hard-confiuring the array indexes and offsets. Hairy, but it could speed up the detection
[10:46] <Pupeno2> sehe: sure you can be a dev!
[10:46] <sheldonc> sehe: any idea what % ? ( yes i have googled, im having a hard time finding good data in desktop usage)
[10:47] <sehe> %? as in speed improvement?
[10:47] <Pupeno2> sehe: those features you mention are indeed very useful!
[10:47] <Pupeno2> sehe: there's no relationship to gnu solfege.
[10:47] <sehe> Pupeno2: it's the logical way forward. Pupils like feedback - tutors like a progress measure/target
[10:48] <Pupeno2> sehe: indeed!
[10:48] <sehe> Pupeno2: doesn't solfege offer this kind of exercise?
[10:48] <sheldonc> sehe: yeah, like in theory twice the speed, but i see numbers  saying 30% is more realistic. In general usage of X and KDE, I'm concerned the difference won't be noticable. Not noticable == not worth doing ;)
[10:48] <Pupeno2> sehe: I was working on a version 0.2.0 which had training programs that can be described in XML. But I never got far with it.
[10:49] <Pupeno2> sehe: then I started to play with writting it using other languages and toolkits.
[10:49] <valentin13_> french room pls
[10:49] <sehe> sheldonc: if you are afraid: don't go there (it *is* hairy)
[10:50] <sehe> sheldonc: you might get a sense of it, by counting actual seconds *after* RAID bios init, and before array detection
[10:50] <malqos> how can i remove driver?
[10:50] <sehe> !fr | valentin13_
[10:50] <ubotu> valentin13_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:50] <sehe> roomservice :)
[10:50] <malqos> in ndiswrapper
[10:50] <sehe> malqos: can you be more specific?
[10:51] <sehe> malqos: in general, you might try 'sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper-common' be very careful though, because ndis is in default kernel. Make sure you don't uninstall the kernel accidentally
[10:52] <valentin13_> ty
[10:52] <Pupeno> sehe: if another program offers this kind of training, I wasn't aware of it. I starting writting this program many, many years ago.
[10:52] <sehe> sheldonc: the low-tech thing to do is (1) get coffee while booting (2) standby instead of shutdown (3) go visit a friend who's using windows
[10:53] <malqos> i try to  instal driver for wifi -bcmwl5, but something goes not ok and i would like to intall new one
[10:53] <malqos> but when i try it
[10:53] <malqos> malqos@malqos-laptop:~$ sudo ndiswrapper -i ~/home/malqos/Desktop/nowe/bcmwl5.inf driver bcmwl5 is already installed
[10:53] <malqos> so  i will try  this what sehe told
[10:53] <sehe> malqos: i'd say ndiswrapper --help
[10:54] <sehe> malqos: try ^^ first !!! lower risks
[10:54] <malqos> ok
[10:54] <malqos> :)
[10:54] <malqos> easy
[10:54] <sehe> malqos: ndiswrapper-common
[10:54] <sehe> malqos: -r driver        remove 'driver' (sorry for mistyped)
[10:54] <malqos> could you write  whole?
[10:54] <sehe> yup: whole
[10:55] <sehe> (sorry)
[10:55] <malqos> i will just copy
[10:55] <malqos> i have problem witj  bcmwl5
[10:55] <sehe> malqos: sudo ndiswrapper -r bcmwl5
[10:55] <malqos> ok
[10:55] <malqos> nothing happend
[10:56] <malqos> i dont  see any results
[10:56] <sehe> malqos: as in: no message? you don't know whether nothing happened, unless you recieve the same message on reinstall
[10:56] <malqos> ok
[10:56] <sehe> malqos: many linux tools employ the 'no news is good news' policy, because it works well with piping,loggin
[10:56] <malqos> so  i  will  restart computer
[10:57] <sehe> malqos: ? you are welcome to, but I don't see the need
[10:57] <malqos> :)
[10:57] <malqos> ok
[10:58] <sehe> malqos: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35045/
[10:59] <sehe> malqos: sorry ****, he actually went and did a reboot? omg
[11:00] <adenicio> how to take pic of the desktop?
[11:00] <jerome_> salut a tous
[11:00] <sehe> ksnapshot
[11:00] <sehe> ~fr | jerome_
[11:00] <adenicio> shortcut if possi
[11:00] <sehe> adenicio: printscreen :D
[11:01] <sehe> !info ksnapshot | adenicio
[11:01] <ubotu> adenicio: ksnapshot: screenshot utility for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 172 kB, installed size 432 kB
[11:01] <sehe> ^^ optional ^^
[11:01] <sehe> !fr | jerome_
[11:01] <ubotu> jerome_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:01] <jerome_> thx ;)
[11:01] <sehe> au-revoir a toi :D
[11:01] <adenicio> sehe: aint there a shortcut to capture?
[11:01] <sehe> adenicio: printscreen
[11:02] <sehe> adenicio: but, to spell it out (i'm lazy, i know) you have to have ksnapshot installed
[11:02] <adenicio> sehe: how do i pres that on the keyboard?
[11:03] <malqos> sehe: this driver is still  there
[11:03] <malqos> and when i write: ndiswrapper -l
[11:03] <PartProblem> Hi, I'm in a live CD session and I have a problem mounting my old partition.
[11:03] <malqos> i get: drivername : invalid driver!
[11:03] <malqos> what can i  do?
[11:04] <sehe> adenicio: start scanning the keys from top left, row by row to bottom right. The one that says 'printscreen' (or 'prt scr'), PRESS IT
[11:04] <sehe> PartProblem: tell me
[11:04] <spike_s> does Kopete use the gaim engine?
[11:04] <sehe> malqos: I honestly don't know. For broadcom drivers, try fwcutter!!! (feisty assumed)
[11:04] <sehe> !find fwcutter | malqos
[11:04] <ubotu> malqos: Found: bcm43xx-fwcutter
[11:05] <sehe> !info bcm43xx-fwcutter | malqos
[11:05] <ubotu> malqos: bcm43xx-fwcutter: Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:006-1 (feisty), package size 24 kB, installed size 116 kB
[11:05] <PartProblem> !find mountlivecd
[11:05] <ubotu> Package/file mountlivecd does not exist in feisty
[11:05] <sehe> PartProblem: tell me the problem ? I think i'll be able to help in a jiffy
[11:05] <PartProblem> I've lost a partition to fsck.
[11:05] <malqos> where can i find it?
[11:06] <PartProblem> It made all my files into two large files, I'm trying to access some code I wrote inside them.
[11:06] <sehe> malqos: apt-get
[11:06] <PartProblem> The files aren't mounting in /dev/sda2
[11:06] <sehe> PartProblem: ok, so you don't actually want to mount the partition as is, but want to do recovery
[11:06] <PartProblem> Yes, I'd like to access it.
[11:07] <sehe> Well , what exactly is went wrong (I can't get 'lost to fsck' to make sense yet)
[11:07] <|Angelus|> sehe: :o
[11:07] <|Angelus|> sehe: :o
[11:08] <sehe> PartProblem: if the drive is actually corrupted, there is no (reliable) way to mount it without the problems
[11:08] <|Angelus|> on Ktorrent the speed got fast as hell
[11:08] <|Angelus|> so it was with utorrent the problem i think
[11:08] <|Angelus|> O_o
[11:08] <sehe> |Angelus|: way to go
[11:08] <PartProblem> I was using ntfs3g and an equivalent windows package I found through sourceforge to write between partitions, I booted linux and it failed file system check, fsck suggested moving files so I did.
[11:08] <malqos> sehe: look at this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35047/
[11:08] <malqos> i really dont know what i can do
[11:08] <PartProblem> Then I used another pc to access the filesystem and the old stuff was gone, replaced by two large files.
[11:09] <Dave132> if i update ubuntu, does it also update kubuntu, or do i also have to run update on kubuntu?
[11:09] <sehe> PartProblem: sorry to break it to you, but mounting will not help you. The drive is corrupt. You could google some fs recovery tools. I'm sure they exist. No guarantees though
[11:10] <sehe> Dave132: there is no distinction.
[11:10] <PartProblem> :(
[11:10] <sehe> malqos: that sucks. seems the repo hit a dead link
[11:10] <PartProblem> Ok...
[11:10] <Dave132> sehe thanks
[11:10] <PartProblem> Thanks so much sehe...
[11:10] <PartProblem> Guess It's gone :(
[11:10] <bjwebb> hi, is it possible to set insterted disks to always mount with certain permissions (e.g. read/write for everyone)
[11:10] <sehe> malqos: you may try to get a different mirror for universe, and 'apt-get update' and retry
[11:11] <sehe> PartProblem: be sure to check package for recovery. I don't know them, but if the data is worth it, you should try recovery
[11:11] <malqos> so maybe i will  try to do this what you sugested on the beggining?
[11:11] <sehe> bjwebb: yes. Easiest tool: pysdm
[11:11] <sehe> !info pysdm | bjwebb
[11:11] <ubotu> bjwebb: pysdm: Graphical Storage Device Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 280 kB
[11:11] <malqos> to delete this bcwl5?
[11:12] <sehe> malqos: I can try to find the deb package for fwcutter in my apt cache
[11:12] <bjwebb> sehe: thanks
[11:12] <malqos> that would be great
[11:12] <sehe> malqos: that's always an option. You missed my link? <malqos> sehe: look at this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35047/
[11:12] <bjwebb> sehe: could i use that once to have it remeber the settings?
[11:13] <sehe> bjwebb: note that pysdm is (almost) merely a gui wrapper around editing fstab
[11:13] <bjwebb> ah okay
[11:13] <sehe> bjwebb: yes, because it saves the cahnges to fstab, and you can even make generic rules for portable devices
[11:13] <bjwebb> sehe: hmm is there likely to already be a generic rule for portable devices in fstab?
[11:14] <malqos> could you write me again the same? and we will see
[11:14] <sehe> bjwebb: honestly, i don't think (but i might be wrong) the generic rules are in fstab.
[11:14] <sredna> how do i get a simple application that can scale an image installed in kubuntu?
[11:14] <sredna> nothing seems to be installed pr default
[11:14] <sehe> !info imagemagick | sredna
[11:15] <ubotu> sredna: imagemagick: Image manipulation programs. In component main, is optional. Version 7:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg1-0.14ubuntu0.1 (feisty), package size 721 kB, installed size 3156 kB
[11:15] <sehe> sredna: gwenview and digikam are installed default (i think)
[11:15] <sredna> convert does not have a manual
[11:15] <sredna> gwenview can't appearently scale an image, i have digikam but the image in question is not in the digikam collections
[11:15] <sehe> sredna: yes it does: man convert
[11:16] <adenicio> sehe: snapshot peu pa prend une photo du video sur kafein?
[11:16] <sredna> kubuntu has a broken install of digikam, the showfoto app is missing btw
[11:16] <sehe> sredna: 'man:/convert' in konqueror
[11:16] <sehe> adenicio: no.
[11:16] <sredna> sehe: the manual is defunkt, it misses all the data
[11:16] <sehe> !find recorder | adenicio
[11:16] <ubotu> adenicio: Found: ksimus-datarecorder, libhttp-recorder-perl, sound-recorder
[11:16] <adenicio> sehe: why?
[11:16] <sredna> that is in some HTML file one has to find :(
[11:16] <sehe> adenicio: shit - it's not there
[11:17] <adenicio> sehe: i dont want to record a video just a pic
[11:17] <adenicio> ill do it with vlc
[11:17] <sehe> adenicio: ah good (*call off the search!!!!*)
[11:18] <sehe> sredna: nope. or yes: find it at 'man:/convert' :)
[11:19] <sehe> malqos: i'm firing up my laptop. i must have it there
[11:19] <malqos> ok
[11:19] <malqos> im waiting
[11:19] <malqos> thanks
[11:21] <sehe> malqos:  damn the source is gone. (.deb) i only have the installed libs + bin
[11:21] <BluesKaj> !K Menu
[11:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about k menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:21] <neptunepink> After I've compiled a program from source, should I run sudo checkinstall?
[11:21] <sehe> ermmm...
[11:21] <sehe> neptunepink: what does that do.
[11:22] <BluesKaj> !K-Menu
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about k-menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <neptunepink> !kmenu
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmenu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <sehe> neptunepink: so ... no
[11:22] <malqos> ok so i will try to do this what you suggested on  the beggining
[11:22] <BluesKaj> !info-K-Menu
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info-k-menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <sehe> BluesKaj: is there anything you'd like to ... ask?
[11:22] <malqos> could you write this  one more time?
[11:22] <sehe> malqos: ? write what ?
[11:22] <andreas_> hi
[11:22] <andreas_> anybody german?
[11:23] <sehe> here goes: malqos:  damn the source is gone. (.deb) i only have the installed libs + bin
[11:23] <sehe> !de | andreas_
[11:23] <ubotu> andreas_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:23] <malqos> to delete this driver bcmwl5
[11:23] <BluesKaj> well , I don't like to repeat myself , but I have installed apps missing frokm the k-menu, sehe.
[11:23] <sehe> malqos: sudo ndiswrapper -r bcmwl5
[11:23] <andreas_> anyone german and can help me now?
[11:24] <sredna> sehe: in konqueror, the address of the HTML file containing the convert manual is linked, but there is no man page describing the options of the convert program, so reading it in a terminal is a PITA. Which is a problem delivered by imagemagick, not (k)ubuntu or debian. the defunct digikam installation is kubuntu or debian specific.
[11:24] <sredna> but hey, at least i got my image scaled :)
[11:24] <sehe> BluesKaj: i haven't heard you say that before :) Ok, if you want to cross examine the bot, /query ubotu :)
[11:24] <spike_s> I wish I was in germany about now.. could find a hot date
[11:24] <malqos> not this, when i try this nothig happend
[11:24] <spike_s> lol, but I'm not, nor do I speak german :(
[11:24] <sehe> sredna: congrats! What with?
[11:25] <malqos> you told me something about remove close to kernel
[11:25] <sredna> sehe: convert, after using konqueror.
[11:25] <malqos> and that i should be carfull
[11:25] <malqos> with this
[11:25] <sehe> malqos: oh that. don't go there. it was bad advice
[11:25] <malqos> ok
[11:25] <sehe> malqos: in general, you might try 'sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper-common' be very careful though, because ndis is in default kernel. Make sure you don't uninstall the kernel accidentally
[11:26] <malqos> ok
[11:26] <malqos> i trying
[11:26] <sehe> malqos: but be very careful. Also, if your NDIS driver is 'bad', this won't help. If you plan on using fwcutter, you don't need to remove it. So what's the point?
[11:26] <malqos> we will se
[11:26] <malqos> :)
[11:26] <andreas_> nobody? ok...then i will try to explain you my problem with my awful english...ok: i cant open my cd-drive with the buttons...is there an other way to open them?
[11:26] <malqos> ok
[11:27] <malqos> so im looking this file
[11:27] <sehe> sredna: did you find the HTML man page using the konqueror link? That trick works for any package. Say, konqueror 'man:/sudo' e.g.
[11:27] <sehe> andreas_: I do speak german a little, but we can't on this channel. (see above)
[11:27] <sehe> andreas_: if you register, we can private message.
[11:28] <andreas_> com eon please help me
[11:28] <sehe> !register | andreas_
[11:28] <ubotu> andreas_: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:28] <sehe> andreas_: cdeject command line tool
[11:28] <andreas_> !register | sehe_
[11:28] <ubotu> sehe_: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:28] <andreas_> -.-
[11:28] <sehe> andreas_: sudo apt-get install cdtool
[11:29] <sehe> andreas_: i'm sure you can use konqueror, by browsing 'media:/' and rightclick the drive
[11:29] <PartProblem> SH... I can't mount the filesystem even though I can find it.
[11:30] <PartProblem> I want to mount a filesystem which has become corrupted, it says it's not in my fstab.
[11:30] <sehe> PartProblem: so the fs is corrupt. (or specify 'find it')
[11:31] <andreas_> no
[11:31] <malqos> sehe: i found something here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Funiverse%2Fb%2Fbcm43xx-fwcutter%2Fbcm43xx-fwcutter_20060108-6build1_i386.deb&md5sum=a86e66aba8afc1a7ba1c872ae4192a57&arch=i386&type=main,  download it and right now install
[11:31] <sehe> PartProblem: possibly, the fstab uses the UUID instead of /dev/sda2 to identify the drive. If the uuid has been corrupted, it won't mount
[11:31] <malqos> how can i check that everything is ok?
[11:31] <sehe> malqos: good news
[11:31] <PartProblem> It's not even in fstab.
[11:31] <PartProblem> None of my partitions are.
[11:31] <sehe> PartProblem: you are on live-cd now?
[11:31] <andreas_> !register | sehe
[11:31] <ubotu> sehe: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:31] <PartProblem> I am :(
[11:31] <andreas_> how can i register somebody? sorry...my first time in irc
[11:32] <sehe> PartProblem: that makes sense. Nothing is in fstab
[11:32] <sehe> !mount | PartProblem
[11:32] <ubotu> PartProblem: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:32] <|Angelus|> sehe: 90kB/s O_o
[11:32] <sehe> PartProblem: you can sudo mkdir ~/sda2; sudo mount /dev/sda2 ~/sda2
[11:33] <sehe> |Angelus| are you trying to get me to slow down typing HAHAHAHAHA
[11:33] <Angelus> lol!!
[11:33] <sehe> !register | andreas_
[11:33] <ubotu> andreas_: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:33] <sehe> click the link for info
[11:33] <Angelus> my bad sehe
[11:33] <sehe> bad?! fun!
[11:33] <andreas_> thx
[11:33] <Angelus> yeah!
[11:34] <Angelus> brb getting my girl to sleep
[11:34] <PartProblem> sudo mount gives me the error saying it's not found in fstab.
[11:34] <PartProblem> Itshows up in Qparted.
[11:35] <sehe> PartProblem: you can sudo mkdir ~/sda2; sudo mount /dev/sda2 ~/sda2
[11:35] <sehe> PartProblem: read it *proper*?
[11:35] <malqos> sehe:done, what now?
[11:35] <sehe> 'sudo mount dev ' versus 'mount dev MOUNTPOINT'
[11:35] <sehe> malqos: installed? or just downloaded
[11:36] <malqos> installed
[11:36] <malqos> but its not the latest version
[11:36] <sehe> it should have asked you to run a config (cut firmware) during install?
[11:36] <andreas_> too stupid to register...
[11:36] <andreas_> should i see the drives with conquerer?
[11:36] <PartProblem> !mount
[11:36] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:36] <malqos> when i try to downoad the latest version i see the same error that i showed you
[11:37] <PartProblem> !DiskMounter
[11:37] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[11:37] <sehe> andreas_: turns out, no. Perhaps under /media/
[11:37] <PartProblem> !fuse
[11:37] <ubotu> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[11:37] <ws4> oiiiiiiiiii
[11:37] <sehe> PartProblem: perhaps more to the point (as you are troubleshooting and on live cd) konqueror man:/mount
[11:38] <sehe> !flood | PartProblem
[11:38] <ubotu> PartProblem: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:38] <andreas_> under media are two files: cdrom0 and cdrom1
[11:38] <andreas_> not files...folders
[11:38] <andreas_> they are empty
[11:38] <sehe> andreas_: did you try rightclicking to see whether it has an eject action somewhere?
[11:38] <sehe> andreas_: i know, it's called mount point. If nothing is mounted, it is just a dir node
[11:39] <sehe> adreas_: I couldn't try it out myself. Did you try 'cdeject' yet?
[11:39] <andreas_> cdeject? how can i use it
[11:40] <sehe> andreas_: let me count you the ways...
[11:40] <sehe> andreas_: seriously: use it from the comand line (konsole, xterm, bash whatever)
[11:40] <sehe> andreas_: just say cdeject and it will tell you what to do
[11:40] <sehe> andreas_: cdeject --help for help
[11:40] <PartProblem> Is it possible that the filesystem became so corrupt that it can't mount it? Qparted detects that it is a linux filesystem but the automount script suggested
[11:40] <sehe> malqos: or bcm43xx-fwcutter in konsole
[11:41] <andreas_> the programm cdeject is corrently not installed
[11:41] <PartProblem> Mounts my windows partition before it will mount the linux partition :(
[11:41] <sehe> PartProblem: yes very possible. In fact trivially so.
[11:41] <PartProblem> So I should give up on a recovery?
[11:41] <sehe> PartProblem: i've been trying to tell you all the time. Don't expect to mount it., If you do: mount it readonly or you'll make the problems WORSE
[11:42] <sehe> PartProblem: look for a recovery tool. Do you knwo the filesystem type?  First you recover, *then* (maybe) you mount (with luck)
[11:43] <sehe> andreas_: like it sais:
[11:43] <sehe> [23:28]  <sehe> andreas_: sudo apt-get install cdtool
[11:43] <sehe> andreas_: (15 minutes ago :))
[11:43] <andreas_> cant install it with "sudo apt-get install cdtool"
[11:43] <sehe> andreas_: why not?
[11:43] <sehe> !info cdtool | sehe
[11:44] <sehe> ok, ic it's in universe.
[11:44] <sehe> !repositories | andreas_
[11:44] <PartProblem> It's an ext3 filesystem.
[11:44] <ubotu> andreas_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:44] <sehe> PartProblem: i'[ll have a look
[11:44] <germaine> i wish donwload yahoo messenger  it is hard
[11:44] <andreas_> the command line say:
[11:44] <sehe> germaine: ?
[11:45] <germaine> yahoo messenger
[11:45] <andreas_> Paket cdtool ist nicht verfgbar, wird aber von einem anderen
[11:45] <andreas_> Paket referenziert. Das kann heien, dass das Paket fehlt, dass es veraltet
[11:45] <andreas_> ist oder nur aus einer anderen Quelle verfgbar ist.
[11:45] <sehe> andreas_: see the repositories help above
[11:45] <germaine> who can help me
[11:46] <sehe> germaine:  with what?
[11:46] <mandhyl> ()
[11:46] <sehe> germaine: ic now i understand
[11:46] <germaine> to get yahoo messenger
[11:46] <sehe> germaine: yahoo is supported by kopete (installed by default). also, trillian (sudo apt-get install trillian)
[11:47] <germaine> ok
[11:47] <sehe> germaine: oh and gaim :) (very popular)
[11:47] <sehe> !fr | germaine
[11:47] <ubotu> germaine: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:48] <germaine> i have  kopete  really bad  impossible connect  room tchat
[11:48] <mandhyl> germaine lustucru
[11:48] <germaine> trillian is good
[11:48] <sehe> germaine: then use trilian :D
[11:48] <germaine> i think  i have  to get him  o window
[11:49] <andreas_> it doesnt help really...tomorrow i will post this question in an forum...but thank you for your help
[11:49] <sehe> germaine: i have big trouble making sense of your english. Could you slow down typing (take a bit more care) or find a room in your native language?
[11:49] <germaine> sehe it is sudo apt-get install trilian
[11:49] <sehe> andreas_: did you understand the part about 'adding universe repository'? It is the solution
[11:50] <sehe> germaine: thanks and sorry for typo
[11:50] <mandhyl> .deb package of trillian not exist ?
[11:50] <Karti> hi all
[11:51] <sehe> andreas_: 'sudo echo deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[11:51] <germaine> sehe  it is impossible to find  paquet trilian
[11:51] <sehe> andreas_: then 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install cdtool'
[11:51] <sehe> germaine: really? shame
[11:52] <sehe> germaine: i can't help you with something that is impossible
[11:52] <PartProblem> Germaine there is no trillian or Miranda i Linux.
[11:52] <mandhyl> germaine so, see that to: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81895
[11:52] <PartProblem> Try Kopete.
[11:52] <sehe> germaine: But you're almost right. There is no debian package for it. I'm sure it is in linux
[11:52] <mandhyl> sinon google t'aidera en cherchant "ubuntu yahoo messenger"
[11:52] <mandhyl> bye
[11:53] <andreas_> sorry i dont understand you (my first time using linux...)
[11:53] <sehe> germaine: in ohter words... www.justfuckinggoogleit.com
[11:53] <andreas_> bye...
[11:53] <sehe> andreas_: ok... take your time :D
[11:54] <sehe> andreas_: is the problem (with eject) only on linux?
[11:54] <sehe> andreas_: it sounds like a hardware issue
[11:54] <sehe> andreas_: --- see you later
[11:55] <zabadapp> btw: isn't is nice to be WGA-free?
[11:55] <PartProblem> sehe my ubuntu installs seem to be unable to run the .configure .make .make install sequence.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> sehe , that kind of langauge as spelled in the above URL is frowned upon in this chat
[11:56] <PartProblem> I have gcc which seems to be working.
[11:56] <sehe> zabadapp: WGA?
[11:57] <sehe> !info build-essential | PartProblem
[11:57] <ubotu> partproblem: build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[11:57] <sehe> PartProblem: see if it helps
[11:57] <sehe> BluesKaj: okok i take that back
[11:57] <sehe> ** mental note ** visit tinyurl for google referrer sites
[11:57] <knightz> if i want to probe my ipw2200 card how do i do this
[11:58] <zabadapp> sehe: a competing operating systems "genuine advantage" ... their WGA-servers got a bug and invalidated anyone trying to patch or update
[11:58] <BluesKaj> nothing wrong with your intentions sehe , just the language :)
[11:58] <sehe> zabadapp: ouch so hurtful
[11:58] <sehe> BluesKaj: i should know, but thanks for reminding hehe
[11:58] <zabadapp> sehe: just read it on slashdot
[11:59] <sehe> zabadapp: very very hurtful. Genuinely hurtful
[11:59] <Ralesk> hi all...  is nspluginviewer still borked in gutsy? :/
[11:59] <sehe> ROTFL
[11:59] <knightz> hellp help please?
[11:59] <sehe> knightz: ok, what kind of card is it and do you know which kernel module is required?
[11:59] <sehe> knightz: generally: 'sudo modprobe modulename'
[11:59] <knightz> intel 2200bg
[11:59] <sehe> knightz: that's a wifi... ok
[12:00] <BluesKaj> solved my missing app in the k-menu ..did a locate in konq and founf the working path and edited with menu editor and added kmail to the menu list
[12:00] <knightz> ipw2200 mod
[12:00] <sehe> knightz: first check with iwconfig whether it has been detected already.
[12:00] <knightz> yes it is but I want to know how i can hack it's default settings
[12:00] <PartProblem> sehe: I'm about o give up, is there ANY simple solution?
[12:01] <sehe> PartProblem: yes. Backups.
[12:01] <knightz>  i want to increase it's power
[12:01] <sehe> knightz: i think you need to use iwconfig or iwlist (use --help for options)
[12:02] <knightz> so there's no way to edit the kernel to change know the card is being operated or use?
[12:02] <quin> anybody keen on helping out with (what I'm sure is yet another) suspend/hibernaion issue. I have an HP nx8220 and have had this problem with both Edgy and Fiesty. Both just hang. So annoying, and I really can't find a fix.
[12:02] <sehe> PartProblem: http://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/partitioneditors.shtml
[12:02] <Karti> sehe: its as bad as www.wwwdotcom.com but no swear words!
[12:03] <knightz> is the ipw2200 open source?
[12:03] <knightz> is the ipw2200 driver  open source?
[12:03] <sehe> Karti: i see less fun there. Also, you can append a real search string to the google-like site. So you can actually help people while prodding them
[12:04] <sehe> knightz: i don't know. I'd think so, unless it's under 'restricted'
[12:04] <lockd> I'm having a few problems with Nvidia settings - I can only go up to 1440x900 resolution, and have access to higher in Windows Vista, etc
[12:04] <sehe> !find ipw22
[12:04] <Karti> **note to self, don't lighten up an IRC channel** ;)
[12:04] <knightz> hm...... does ipw2200 let you inject packets into the card?
[12:04] <ubotu> Package/file ipw22 does not exist in feisty
[12:04] <lockd> well, I'm only looking to get to 1280x1024, but any help is appreciated
[12:04] <sehe> !x | lockd
[12:04] <ubotu> lockd: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:05] <knightz> hm...... does ipw2200 let you inject packets into the card?
[12:05] <sehe> knightz: that's a very detailed question, best asked on specialized fora
[12:05] <knightz> sehe what?
[12:06] <lockd> sehe: thanks for the pointer, I hope it works - tried 20 other ways (including override EDID information)
[12:06] <sehe> knightz: with me it seems to be in ieee8021l-source package, so that suggests GPL source
[12:06] <knightz> ok
[12:06] <sehe> lockd: uhoh that sounds like a lot of effort
[12:06] <sehe> knightz: this is general kubuntu support. We don't do (promiscuous) wifi driver development :D
[12:07] <knightz> ok.. i just thought I'd get some help
[12:07] <sehe> knightz: sure. no problem. You want to use it for bridging with VM's?
[12:07] <sehe> knightz: (i mean, curious as to why you want to inject packages)
[12:08] <sehe> knightz: although i'd also guess that using libpcap that could be done for any NIC
[12:08] <knightz> :)
[12:08] <sehe> packages ---> packets ^^
[12:09] <lockd> sehe: yes, it is
[12:09] <sehe> lockd: sorry to hear. I've had my share of trouble (mainly on gentoo) but with ubuntu (knock would) all my video cards run on highest reso out-of-the-box (maybe it's because i use flatpanels all the time nowadays)
[12:10] <nosrednaekim> Ralesk: yeah?
[12:10] <sehe> Karti: ignite an IRC channel, don't illuminate :D
[12:10] <knightz> well I guess time to do some more reading........ anyone here ever used aircrack-ng with ipw22XX cards
[12:11] <Karti> :)
[12:11] <sehe> knightz: nope. Never e'en got it working with any of my cards (broadcom, intel or realtek)
[12:11] <Ralesk> nosrednaekim: well, whether it has been fixed yet in gutsy or I'm being a newb at it -- cause it locks up like... dunno, started to do it about a month ago or so?
[12:11] <knightz> hm...
[12:11] <sehe> knightz: i must admit, it's not importatn to me, so i stop trying after first hurdle)
[12:12] <knightz> hm..
[12:12] <knightz> it's just for educational purposes only :)
[12:12] <sehe> knightz: either you are very thoughtful, or i want some of the pie :D LOL
[12:12] <sehe> knightz: naturally
[12:13] <sehe> knightz: war-driving is miscoined term
[12:13] <knightz> hm... why?
[12:13] <sehe> knightz: indulge me, will ya ....
[12:13] <sehe> knightz: it isn't. but it sounds so... erm... un-educational
[12:14] <knightz> it's helping the lamerz (sys admin) to better there security
[12:14] <sehe> ow... missed the joke. you repeated the hm... HAHAHAHA
[12:14] <BluesKaj> kevin rose and that other geek from DIGG dreamed up that term for riding on open wireless access points
[12:14] <sehe> BluesKaj: ooo you're with the incrowd :D
[12:15] <sehe> knightz: Like I said, I just thought it'd be fun to be able to use neighbours wifi for backup/additional bandwith hehe
[12:15] <sehe> knightz: never got it to work
[12:15] <BluesKaj> not really sehe , he used to have a tv show "call for help" here in NA
[12:16] <knightz> well where i'm from (trinidad) internet is very expensives and free internet is the only way to go!!!!
[12:16] <sehe> BluesKaj: oh ic. Didn cognize any of the names
[12:16] <sehe> knightz: i'd put my bet on mesh networks (like in OLPC)
[12:16] <knightz> :)
[12:16] <sehe> knightz: 802.1s standard allows reach up to 1 km
[12:16] <maelcum> knightz: be fair and leave your neighbors some bandwidth for themeselves :)
[12:17] <BluesKaj> <--- Canada , we got a lot of US stuff on our sats and cable
[12:17] <palifra> ?
[12:17] <sehe> knightz: like i said, never got it to work
[12:17] <sehe> <-- Holland, we have shit to look at. That's why I am on @#kubuntu hahahaha
[12:17] <knightz> the old t'v antenna's make to good wireless antennas :)
[12:17] <sehe> maelcum: but i trust, you have generous neighbours with no WEP/WPA
[12:18] <maelcum> sehe: generous, stupid... who knows.
[12:18] <PriceChild> !offtopic
[12:18] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter.  No 'real' qeustions soming thru, make a run for it
[12:19] <sehe> knightz: aren't we all?
[12:19] <maelcum> PriceChild: oh come on, it's not like we are drowning out all the useful technical discussions going on right now.
[12:19] <sehe> k peeps nice chatting here, i'm off cya later
[12:19] <BluesKaj> <---retired old labtech guy , with too much time on his hands
[12:19] <BluesKaj> bye sehe
[12:19] <PriceChild> maelcum, We wouldn't know. You're offtopic.
[12:21] <sehe> PriceChild: sure managed to create some lovely silence :) cheers
[12:22] <thomas_> hej
[12:22] <PriceChild> Hi thomas_.
[12:23] <maelcum> PriceChild: you know, offtopic chat can do some good for the general atmosphere of a channel i think. i am all for radio discipline in busy channels, mind you.
[12:24] <maelcum> whatever, no reason to get into fights :)
[12:25] <knightz> hm... well dell b130 ar good laptops but stupid wireless cards why didn't it come with a prism?
[12:25] <maelcum> knightz: ipw22** is actually great for linux
[12:25] <knightz> not what i want it for!!!!
[12:27] <chollo> Hola Alguien que hable espaol
[12:28] <zgmf-x20a> hey guys, question.  ethernet issue.  just installed kubuntu 6.10 on asus f3sv-b1.  does not show any network hardware.  so how do i a) show a list of the hardware on the machine to find ou what brand, etc it is, and b) install the appropriate driver?
[12:28] <hydrogen> ~df
[12:28] <hydrogen> oops
[12:28] <hydrogen> wrong channel
[12:29] <zgmf-x20a> anyone?
[12:29] <zgmf-x20a> lshw
[12:29] <knightz> iwconfig
[12:29] <knightz> sorry
[12:29] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, type lspci in the konsole , it will show your hardware
[12:31] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: crappy.  the ethernet says unknown device 1969:1048 (revb0) and the network controller says intel corporation Unknown device 4229 (rev61)
[12:31] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: any idea what i should do?
[12:32] <chollo> help spanish pliss
[12:32] <knightz> use ndiswrapper with the windows drivers
[12:33] <BluesKaj> zgmf-x20a, sounds like that is a realtek number for the ethernet . you could try searching for a driver realtek1048
[12:35] <zgmf-x20a> BluesKaj: cool man,thanks, let me try that out and see how it goes.


[23:07] <studio-user159> he notado que en modo de recuperación no puede activar la red y por tanto no se pueden reparar paquetes rotos
[23:08] <krytarik> !es | studio-user159
[23:14] <studio-user821> In recovery mode it does not load the network in Ubuntu Studio Bionic and it hangs up until you press control + c. Therefore it does not allow to repair damaged packages and updates.
[23:17] <studio-user821> this happened in the latest updates that also caused the network connection and battery level gadget to be disabled
[23:19] <studio-user821> These things have emerged as consequences of the latest updates


[02:32] <__Yiota>  hey guys I need urgent help, my CTO rebooted both of our google cloud engine nodes, all the data appears to have dissapeared (I can only see my user + ubuntu user), I checked df -h and the result is: /dev/sda1        49G  1.1G   48G   3% /, it should normally be at ~20 gigs or so,
[02:35] <qman__> did you have persistent disks attached for your data?
[02:36] <mybalzitch> sounds like the CTO's problem
[02:39] <qman__> I'm not that familiar with google cloud engine specifically, but I assume it works like most other cloud providers and gives you ephemeral instances, and that you need to attach persistent storage to them to store your data
[02:39] <qman__> the marketing page jibes with this assumption
[02:45] <__Yiota> qman__ yes, I did have persistent disks
[02:46] <__Yiota> I can see them with ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/google-*
[02:46] <qman__> ok, so were you storing your data there, and is it still there?
[02:46] <qman__> are those disks mounted where you expect them?
[03:22] <__Yiota> I was storing data there, the data is gone
[03:22] <__Yiota> the disks are unmounted
[03:22] <__Yiota> sorry, they are mounted
[03:22] <__Yiota> but in the wrong places
[10:08] <c0mrade> WriteLn.Console ( " Hello " ) ;
[10:10] <c0mrade> Some weird thing happened to my server running Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS 64bit Server on an HP ProLiant G6 server. So once I've done setting it up, I've configured a static ip, restarted the server and it worked fine, next day I wake up and can't ssh into it, I connect directly and see that the IP address is some other one assigned by DHCP.
[10:11] <c0mrade> Well I flushed the interface and restarted the networking service and it's back to the static one. But why did this happen, well actually when I physically logged in I saw some error like freezed or something and related to ata3 maybe a disk problem but anyway, even if it was why would the IP change if it's already statically configured?
[10:43] <adityaduggal> Hi I am unable to run my cron job in my server, they seem to be missed every time, can anyone help me on that?
[10:45] <adityaduggal> my cron job is this ```0 13 * * 0 sudo service nginx stop && /opt/certbot-auto renew && sudo service nginx start >> /home/frappe/log/certificate.log 2>&1 # Renew lets-encrypt every week ```
[10:45] <adityaduggal> But there is no log created and hence i am assuming that the cron job did not run, how can I test it?
[10:59] <c0mrade> adityaduggal: Hey well instead of sudo service nginx start try sudo /etc/init.d/nginx start etc...
[12:05] <ahasenack> adityaduggal: check /var/log/auth, maybe your sudo isn't working, or prompting for a password
[12:48] <mason> c0mrade: Have you looked at /etc/network/interfaces to see what's set up there for your NIC?
[12:48] <mason> c0mrade: Also, you'll want to make sure
[12:48] <mason> ...that you don't have it controlled by NetworkManager or somesuch.
[13:38] <c0mrade> mason: Um, it's not graphical.
[13:40] <mason> c0mrade: I didn't suggest that it was graphical. You still want to identify what it was that decided that it liked DHCP.
[13:40] <mason> NetworkManager is usable on text-only systems via nmcli and nmtui.
[13:41] <mason> (This is the default for RHEL 7, for instance.)
[15:49] <thebwt> also: why are you using sudo ina  cron job?
[15:49] <thebwt> just have the cron run as the system, and if it's a newer server you should use systemctl
[15:51] <thebwt> `/opt/certbot-auto renew` - if the other two commands need sudo, this should too since I assume. But we don't know about where your cert files are.
[17:30] <Dave654> Hi, I have a server with hetzner with Ubuntu 14.04.4 and Linux 4.2.0-36-generic on x86_64 the kernel never seems to update, just the dev part is this normal?
[17:30] <Dave654> its quite cool as I never boot the darn thing like all my others but...
[17:30] <nacc> Dave654: 'hetzner'? Is that a vps provider?
[17:30] <Dave654> alsorts
[17:30] <Dave654> hetzner.de
[17:30] <nacc> Dave654: the 14.04.4 hwe kernel is not supported any longer
[17:31] <Dave654> or com
[17:31] <Dave654> for English
[17:31] <nacc> Dave654: so it won't be getting updates, you should fully update to 14.04.5 hwe kernel
[17:31]  * Dave654 confused
[17:31] <nacc> Dave654: schedule is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[17:31] <Dave654> ty, you would think they would tell me
[17:32] <nacc> Dave654: who is "they"? also, i think the utility hwe-support-status will tell you
[17:32] <Dave654> been like it for years tho
[17:32] <Dave654> I thought it was this modern no need to boot kernel!
[17:32] <nacc> Dave654: well, 14.04.4 only came out in feb 2016 and went eol in aug 2016
[17:32] <Dave654> they are the engineers at hetzner
[17:33] <nacc> (the kernel)
[17:33] <nacc> you would still need to reboot for security fixes, etc
[17:33] <nacc> aiui, only 16.04 has the livepatch facility
[17:33] <Dave654> never no fixes tho
[17:34] <nacc> Dave654: well, even being on 4.2.0-36 is wrong, afaict, trusty-updates has 4.2.0-42
[17:34] <Dave654> nacc does it do what it says on the tin
[17:34] <nacc> Dave654: so... just all around busted it seems :)
[17:34] <Dave654> lol thanks
[17:34] <nacc> Dave654: and probably means your system is missing some security updates
[17:34] <Dave654> ouch
[17:35] <nacc> (4.2.0-42 is in the security pocket too)
[17:35] <Dave654> never a dull moment
[17:35] <nacc> Dave654: but the correct choice is to switch the 14.04.5 hwe kernel (linux-generic-lts-xenial) and then remove the old metapackages (to save space)
[17:35] <Dave654> usually when a provider offers a OS its supported
[17:36] <nacc> Dave654: well, then ask the provider, not ubuntu server :)
[17:36] <nacc> Dave654: providers can make very poor choices :)
[17:36] <Dave654> did all I got was intense engineering waffle, stopped listening after 2 mins, basically told me do not worry
[17:38] <Dave654> will ask them again in a ticket rather than a phone call
[17:38] <Dave654> thanks
[17:39] <Dave654> what php -v does 16.04 use
[17:39] <nacc> Dave654: yeah, they should review the above page -- it seems odd they would say 'not to worry', unles they are providing their own security support on top of ubuntu's
[17:39] <nacc> !info php xenial
[17:39] <nacc> !info php7.0 xenial
[17:39] <nacc> Dave654: and i'm going to be SRU'ing 7.0.17 to 16.04 once 17.10 opens
[17:39] <Dave654> lol 7 is out, not sure is software is up to speed
[17:40] <nacc> Dave654: hrm? sorry, i used the wrong trigger at first -- we are at 7.0.15 currently (with some backports on top)
[17:40] <Dave654> got one site not liking 5.5+
[17:40] <Dave654> cannot checkout to paypal
[17:40] <Dave654> Deprecated: mysql_escape_string():
[17:41] <Dave654> thank goodness for people like centos eh
[17:41] <Dave654> eol 2025 and good
[17:42] <Dave654> btw, sad to see 12.04 go, best OS I have ever used
[17:43] <Dave654> made a fortune off it
[17:43] <Dave654> and given back to opensource
[17:43] <nacc> Dave654: deprecated is not an error, unless you set it to be one
[17:43] <Dave654> I can fix it I think
[17:44] <Dave654> need to use mysqli
[20:19] <kotMatroskin> hi
[20:20] <kotMatroskin> - Mount snap "core" (1577) ([start snap-core-1577.mount] failed with exit status 1: Job for snap-core-1577.mount failed. See "systemctl status snap-core-1577.mount" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[20:20] <kotMatroskin> what should I do?
[20:21] <nacc> kotMatroskin: what do the commands indicate is wrong?
[20:21] <kotMatroskin> nacc, sudo snap install nextcloud
[20:21] <nacc> kotMatroskin: right, not what i asked
[20:21] <nacc> kotMatroskin: it tells you to 'see' two commands
[20:21] <nacc> kotMatroskin: what do those commands say?
[20:23] <kotMatroskin> nacc, sorry, i speak very bad english
[20:23] <nacc> kotMatroskin: it's ok, if you can, run those two commands and use a pastebin to share the output
[20:23] <nacc> !pastebin
[20:27] <kotMatroskin> nacc, it is not bin-file, this is a command -> sudo snap install nextcloud
[20:30] <dpb1> kotMatroskin: run: systemctl status snap-core-1577.mount  and  journalctl -xe
[20:31] <dpb1> kotMatroskin: use pastebin to show us results of those commands
[20:31] <kotMatroskin> pastebin
[20:31] <dpb1> !pastebin
[20:31] <dpb1> kotMatroskin: ^^
[20:32] <kotMatroskin> what is pastebin?
[20:32] <nacc> kotMatroskin: please read the response from ubottu
[20:33] <kotMatroskin> results of those commands: Failed to mount Mount unit for core.
[20:33] <kotMatroskin>
[20:33] <nacc> kotMatroskin: there will typically be more output than that
[20:33] <nacc> kotMatroskin: please run the command don't select what put on paste.ubuntu.com
[20:34] <nacc> kotMatroskin: but copy & paste the entire output
[20:34] <nacc> kotMatroskin: or use pastebinit directly from the terminal
[20:36] <kotMatroskin> result of systemctl status snap-core-1577.mount:
[20:36] <kotMatroskin> root@vps24182:/home/alex# systemctl status snap-core-1577.mount
[20:36] <kotMatroskin> ● snap-core-1577.mount - Mount unit for core
[20:36] <kotMatroskin>    Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/snap-core-1577.mount; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
[20:36] <kotMatroskin>    Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Mon 2017-04-17 16:35:00 EDT; 1min 29s ago
[20:36] <kotMatroskin>     Where: /snap/core/1577
[20:36] <kotMatroskin>      What: /var/lib/snapd/snaps/core_1577.snap
[20:36] <kotMatroskin>   Process: 690 ExecMount=/bin/mount /var/lib/snapd/snaps/core_1577.snap /snap/core/1577 -t squashfs (code=exited
[20:36] <kotMatroskin> Apr 17 16:35:00 vps24182 systemd[1]: Mounting Mount unit for core...
[20:36] <kotMatroskin> Apr 17 16:35:00 vps24182 mount[690]: mount: /snap/core/1577: mount failed: Unknown error -1
[20:36] <kotMatroskin> Apr 17 16:35:00 vps24182 systemd[1]: snap-core-1577.mount: Mount process exited, code=exited status=32
[20:36] <nacc> kotMatroskin: please use a pastebin, as asked
[20:36] <kotMatroskin> Apr 17 16:35:00 vps24182 systemd[1]: Failed to mount Mount unit for core.
[20:37] <nacc> kotMatroskin: you're flooding the channel
[20:37] <kotMatroskin> Apr 17 16:35:00 vps24182 systemd[1]: snap-core-1577.mount: Unit entered failed state.
[20:37] <kotMatroskin> what is pastebin?
[20:37] <nacc> !pastebin | kotMatroskin: please read this, again, as asked
[20:37] <kotMatroskin> bash: pastebin: command not found
[20:37] <nacc> kotMatroskin: a pastebin is just an online service for sharing pastes
[20:37] <nacc> kotMatroskin: yes, *read* the blurb from ubottu.
[20:40] <kotMatroskin> ok, must back in the morning. thank you
[20:41] <rizonz> this is weird only my  boot chainload into bootloader on the first disk - alternative for pxe boots from disk
[20:41] <nacc> kotMatroskin: you might, in the morning, ask in #snappy -- as the core snap failing is not really a server issue