[02:48] <ChinnoDog> Just sitting there waiting for the clock to reach 5:30? haha
[09:30] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[09:34] <waltman> Morning


[05:59] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:53] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[08:22] <SuperMatt> certbot wildcard certs ftw
[10:31] <daftykins> showed my foreign ways today by asking an underground staffer how the contactless worked, heh :D
[10:31] <daftykins> pretty neat for some rapid travel, just blooping the phone and on you go
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> put on a show and look confused at the automatic doors... :-)
[11:25] <SuperMatt> I've decided never to use my phone. You run out of battery during your journey, and you can't get back out again
[11:25] <SuperMatt> I'll keep using my contactless card
[11:49] <daftykins> ah i don't trust those :)
[11:50] <daftykins> glad i don't have one at the moment but sadly think i'll get one on the next expiry, in October
[11:54] <SuperMatt> tbh, because you can't spend more than £30, and you have to type in your pin every once in a while, I trust that the banks have my back should my card ever be stolen
[11:54] <SuperMatt> If more than ~£150 is ever fraudulently spent via contactless, my bank is fully at fault
[11:55] <daftykins> it's more the details being readable by a passer by on the street i'm not fond of
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> i thought the current scam was to bump up against people carrying them and nick a few bob?
[11:56] <daftykins> xD
[11:56] <daftykins> *boop boop* thanks, cya!
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> it's not reds under the bed anymore, it's readers under trenchcoats... :-)
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> beware of strangers that beep...
[12:52] <daftykins> Satellite dude that came by yesterday was telling me that he does a lot of wired network cabling for business workers in the city that aren't allowed wireless in their homes, sounded amusing
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> so does he sneak in an ap on a timer switch with a russian ssid to turn on and off at random times? :-P
[12:56] <daftykins> :D
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> these things don't just happen, they require lots of preparation.... :-)
[12:59] <daftykins> the finest of pranks
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> no no, the finest is a gizmo that beeps every 17 hours + random minutes 0-59 and does nothing else.... drop off with a nice new battery in a mates place.... :-)
[13:00] <SuperMatt> who on earth isn't allowed wireless in their home?
[13:00] <daftykins> SuperMatt: they might be allowed it, but not when working from home
[13:01] <SuperMatt> oh, so some businesses don't understand basic cryptography?
[13:03] <daftykins> maybe it's a catch-all for serious job roles in case someone is still rocking WEP encryption in order to use their Nintendo DS :)
[13:03] <SuperMatt> using a DS to WFH is a bit silly
[13:04] <daftykins> no no that's not the device used for work xD in my example it's just the cause of why someones home wifi might be on WEP which they then work from home with a laptop on - and assume all is ok
[13:05] <daftykins> i can definitely see a 'range' issue with peoples wifi though, in apartment blocks etc... the one i've just put in here goes right out to the road - in fact i should ask him if he wants to make use of that, otherwise i'll turn down the power
[13:05] <SuperMatt> thinking about it logically, all my packets to and from my VPN server use TLS, so they're going to be secure. Then you add WEP or WPA to the wireless for even more security... how exactly is an attacker going to get through all of that?
[13:06] <daftykins> i'm not going to defend the practice, no idea of the circumstances :)
[13:07] <SuperMatt> I just finish it amusing and bemusing when security policies don't match reality or logic
[13:07] <daftykins> i thought that was what they were there for :D
[13:12] <SuperMatt> My favourite thing was from my last job, where priorities were completely skewed. We'd have arguments about some services being rw across both data centres. To which I would say to them not to worry about that level of complexity. If either DC goes down, you have more things to worry about than writes to the second dc. Our customer base was doing about 99.99% read, so you just need to put up a "sorry
[13:12] <SuperMatt> you can't write"
[14:50] <ali1234> then you find out the customer's bespoke application writes to a security log when the user starts it up, and crashes if it can't do this, meaning the customer cannot access the database at all
[14:51] <SuperMatt> That sounds like it might be quite sensible
[18:37] <czajkowski> Aloha
[18:37] <brobostigon> noswaith dda
[20:03] <Laney> someone just drove down the street blasting out Sisqo's Thong Song
[20:03] <Laney> \m/
[20:05] <zmoylan-pi> play zx spectrum tape loader game at volume 11 in revenge... :-)
[20:05] <Laney> no revenge needed, I'm rocking out
[20:05] <zmoylan-pi> booooooo *boop* booooooooo booobledy boop
[20:05] <Laney> to me this goes with Who Let The Dogs Out?


[00:02] <akgraner> woo hoo - does life get any better - Ubuntu and Wil Wheaton on Big Bang Theory all in the same day!
[00:03] <akgraner> I should say Ubuntu Release today and Wil Wheaton on Big Bang Theory tonight - all this in the same day!
[00:08] <Pendulum> akgraner: and you say you're not a geek :P
[00:09] <akgraner> Pendulum, :P
[02:34] <mhall119> Ubuntu has also been (mentioned) on the Big Bang Theory
[06:30] <dholbach> good morning
[06:31] <nigelb> Morning dholbach!
[06:33] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[07:56] <kim0> dholbach: nigelb morning folks
[07:58] <dholbach> hi kim0
[07:59] <Pendulum> morning dholbach, kim0
[07:59] <kim0> Pendulum: o/ howdy
[08:12] <dholbach> hiya Pendulum
[08:32] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Social - feel free to add
[08:49] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:49] <czajkowski> c/
[10:28]  * jono rubs eyes
[10:28] <jono> :-)
[10:32] <nigelb> jono: morning :P
[10:33] <jono> hey nigelb :-)
[10:33] <nigelb> I'm guessing everyone was amazingly drunk last night ;)
[10:38] <czajkowski> nope
[10:38] <czajkowski> nice to meet folks great turn out
[10:38] <czajkowski> nice beers
[10:38] <czajkowski> jono: I've been posting stuff to the locoteams page this week hope thats ok
[10:39] <czajkowski> on facebook
[10:39] <jono> czajkowski, of course!
[10:39] <jono> thanks!
[10:39] <czajkowski> np
[10:39] <jono> czajkowski, was lovely to see you last night :-)
[10:39] <czajkowski> http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2011/10/13/how-to-set-up-a-loco-check-list/
[10:39] <czajkowski> has gone down well
[10:40] <czajkowski> and we're adding to to the LD as well
[10:40] <czajkowski> jono: it's always gret to see you and your whacky t-shirts!
[10:40] <jono> czajkowski, :-)
[10:41] <czajkowski> jono: when's the flight back ?
[10:41] <jono> in an hour
[10:41] <jono> I am sat at Heathrow in the lounge
[10:41] <czajkowski> as are the rest of the teams no :)
[10:41] <czajkowski> family reuninion at airport
[10:41] <czajkowski> was no fun not seeing any of you lot this morning on the way to work
[10:42] <czajkowski> last day at work today and it's really odd being in here
[10:42] <czajkowski> jono: on the plus side I did go home to http://t.co/mN8y5Emm and an android tablet from Jon for my bday :D
[10:42] <czajkowski> so that kinda made up for the shite day :)
[10:43] <jono> czajkowski, woooo!
[10:43] <jono> czajkowski, yeah it was lovely seeing you waving when I walked to work :-)
[10:43] <czajkowski> hehe
[10:43] <czajkowski> it's cool the tablet does voice commands, even understood me
[10:43] <czajkowski> was I was well chuffed
[10:44] <czajkowski> catching up with mat next week as he's in London :D
[10:44] <czajkowski> so I'll have caught up with ye all again
[10:44] <czajkowski> jono: february 2012 will be 5 years since I first met you, and skynet may be doing a mini conference and 20 years of skynet, shall keep you posted.
[10:45] <jono> czajkowski, oh wow!
[10:45] <jono> cool :-)
[10:53] <popey> UUuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:54]  * czajkowski hands popey a pillow and duvey
[10:54] <czajkowski> *duvet
[10:54] <popey> yes!
[10:54] <popey> my car is in the car park
[10:54] <popey> tempted to go out and sleep for a bit
[10:54] <dpm> hey jono, have a good flight back, I hope the hangover is not too bad :)
[10:55] <dholbach> haha
[10:55]  * jussi fails at producing a sheet of barcodes. any suggestions? ( I need a sheet of barcodes (24) that fit into stickers that are 70x37mm)
[11:00] <jono> thanks dpm :-)
[11:00] <dpm> :)
[11:00] <kim0> jono: same from me :)
[11:00] <dpm> jussi, have you tried gLabels?
[11:00] <AlanBell> jussi: install a 3 of 9 font and treat it like text
[11:01] <AlanBell> with a * at each end
[11:01] <jono> thanks, folks!
[11:01] <jussi> dpm: yes, I cant seem to get real barcodes out of it
[11:01] <jono> have to run to my gate, congrats on 11.10, speak soon!
[11:02] <AlanBell> jussi: 3 of 9 must start and end with *
[11:03] <jussi> AlanBell: hrm? Im a bit mixed up on what you are trying to communicate?
[11:04] <AlanBell> the string must be something like "*12345*"
[11:04] <AlanBell> or "*THIS IS A BARCODE*"
[11:04] <AlanBell> then you put that in the 3 of 9 font and it will be scannable
[11:06] <jussi> ahh.. is the 3 of 9 font in ubuntu by default?
[11:12] <jussi> oh wow. found the font online, installed with kde font installer, restarted libreoffice, off we go. EPIC thanks AlanBell!
[11:50] <akgraner> dholbach, somewhere in the wide world that makes up the Ubuntu Wiki's is a page that nhandler created for teams to add their identi.ca, twitter, status net etc accounts too...I'm trying to find it to link to your Social Media page :-)
[11:50] <dholbach> ah cool
[11:51] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MicroBlogging
[11:51] <akgraner> found it - I had to think - how would nhandler name this page :-)
[11:51] <dholbach> great
[11:52] <dholbach> added it
[11:52] <dholbach> awesome
[11:54] <akgraner> dholbach, you are fast on the wiki draw there :-)  thanks - I forgot about it until you created your page - and I don't know that many teams even knew it was there
[11:54] <jussi> AlanBell: about still?
[11:55] <AlanBell> yes
[11:55] <dholbach> thanks akgraner
[11:55] <dholbach> time for lunch over here
[11:56] <jussi> AlanBell: I cant seem to get a working barcod out of it - any common breakages that I might be doing? Im using size 54, not italic or bold, and a number, ie. *10001*
[11:57] <AlanBell> screenshot plz
[11:58] <jussi> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/14/plasma-desktopVu2022.jpg
[11:58] <akgraner> dpm, dholbach, kim0, nigelb I created a googledoc with planning checklists for each of the *ubuntu weeks/days - if I send you all the link can you review the page and make corrections to the lists (as they are based off developer week)
[11:59] <jussi> thats a shorter one, but still
[12:00] <nigelb> akgraner: <3
[12:00] <akgraner> for stuff like hastags, mailing lists are correct, IRC channels to target are correct - I'm am updating the Open Week one and I asked jcastro to review it
[12:01] <akgraner> nigelb, /me sends link your way - I'll then transfer the updated information back to the respective /Organisation wiki pages and to jcastro's boards :-)
[12:02] <jussi> AlanBell: I have this scanner (in finnish, but still, useful methinks) http://www.elec.fi/product/show/1066/viivakoodinlukija/5754/dur-801-viivakoodinlukija-lasertekniikalla-usb-ps2
[12:03] <akgraner> nigelb, you have mail :-)
[12:03] <nigelb> akgraner: :)
[12:03] <akgraner> nigelb, I know the UserDay links are NOT correct b/c those pages are set up like the rest of the Ubuntu Weeks are - but it was easier for me to just copy the developer week check list and go from there
[12:04] <akgraner> s/are/aren't
[12:04] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/10001.png jussi
[12:05] <akgraner> I'm working on getting the email to the session leads for next week  - once I finish I'll jump back in the doc and help update stuffs...thanks
[12:06] <kim0> akgraner: sure thing .. send that link over
[12:06] <jussi> 10001
[12:06] <AlanBell> jussi: needs to start and end with thin thin fat fat thin
[12:06] <AlanBell> which is *
[12:06] <jussi> AlanBell: so how do I ensure that happens?
[12:07] <jussi> btw, that 10001 came from your pic being scanned
[12:07] <AlanBell> you don't have * at each end
[12:08] <AlanBell> probably because it changes *this* to this
[12:08] <jussi> oh bah:(
[12:08] <akgraner> kim0 you have mail...:-)
[12:08] <AlanBell> your application is bolding it for you and removing the *
[12:08] <jussi> AlanBell: ahh I guess autocorrect
[12:09] <AlanBell> yeah
[12:09]  * jussi goes to smack libreoffice
[12:09] <kim0> dpm: yep
[12:09] <kim0> oops .. just yep
[12:09]  * AlanBell points jussi at the options tab of autocorrect
[12:10] <jussi> AlanBell: yep, thanks, seen
[12:13] <jussi> AlanBell: IT WORKS!
[12:13] <jussi> thank you so much :)
[12:14] <AlanBell> beep
[12:18] <jussi> 10002
[12:25] <jussi> Now I just have to figure out a nice way to a) automate making them, and b) getting the code written underneath. Cant be too hard
[13:14] <pleia2> dholbach: time to close the civs poll? (some natives are getting restless :))
[13:14] <dholbach> oh yeah
[13:14] <dholbach> wow
[13:14]  * dholbach hugs pleia2
[13:14]  * pleia2 hugs
[13:15] <dholbach> can't believe I forgot about it - yesterday I thought "ah, yes tomorrow - finally" half of the day
[13:15] <pleia2> hehe
[13:16] <dholbach> results are up: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_234037fcede80bac
[13:16] <dholbach> congratulations everyone
[13:16] <dholbach> I'll see if I can find Mark
[13:17] <pleia2> congrats to you too dholbach :)
[13:17] <dholbach> :)
[13:18] <jcastro> buenas mornings!
[13:18] <pleia2> hola, jcastro!
[13:19] <jcastro> oh hey, new CC!
[13:19] <jcastro> wowo dholbach, you are popular.
[13:20] <pleia2> that's because dholbach is full of hugs and awesomeness
[13:20] <nigelb> everyone loves dholbach :)
[13:20]  * nigelb hugs pleia2
[13:20]  * pleia2 hugs nigelb
[13:21] <dholbach> I have no idea how that happened
[13:21] <pleia2> clearly people really like names that end in "bach"
[13:22] <jcastro> he's full of ponies and unicorns
[13:24] <nigelb> pleia2: lol
[13:24] <nigelb> jcastro: I agree
[13:25] <mhall119> ponies and unicorns? seems redundant
[13:25] <AlanBell> 252 votes cast, is that good?
[13:25] <nigelb> Nope.
[13:25] <nigelb> Less than half.
[13:26] <pleia2> 33% turnout in a week isn't horrible
[13:26] <nigelb> Its sad :(
[13:26] <pleia2> as these things go
[13:26] <AlanBell> seems OK to me
[13:26] <nigelb> Ok, I have no expereince.
[13:26] <nigelb> So I shouldn't have commented :)
[13:26] <pleia2> just makin' things up! :)
[13:26] <AlanBell> me neither, hence the question :)
[13:27] <mhall119> hey, that's better than off-year elections in the USA I think
[13:36] <czajkowski> ohh I am now gob smacked
[13:49] <mhall119> czajkowski: congrats
[13:50] <czajkowski> thank you ::)
[13:50] <mhall119> and also: I'm sorry
[13:50] <mhall119> for the things that are sure to come
[13:50] <mhall119> "congratulations and condolences" as I heard someone put it once
[13:51] <jcastro> hahaha
[13:51] <jcastro> awesome
[13:51] <czajkowski> meh lost my job yesterday
[13:51] <czajkowski> this is a good way to perk me up
[13:51] <jcastro> :(
[13:51] <dholbach> ugh :-(
[13:51] <czajkowski> shite happens move on pick one self up and jump in to the next project right :)
[13:51]  * dholbach hugs czajkowski
[13:52]  * czajkowski hugs dholbach
[13:52] <czajkowski> turns out hiring 3 people in one week is bad move
[13:52] <czajkowski> digital agency
[13:52] <czajkowski> not enough work coming in
[13:52] <czajkowski> 2 need to go
[13:53] <akgraner> czajkowski, congrats!
[13:53] <czajkowski> akgraner: you too
[13:56] <akgraner> 3 women on the CC woot woot! :-)  maybe the poster was a prediction of things to come ;-)
[13:56] <czajkowski> hah
[13:56] <czajkowski> true
[13:57] <popey> :D
[13:58] <czajkowski> 3/8 is pretty damn flipping good
[14:02] <mhall119> better ratio than the general ubuntu community I would bet
[14:03] <mhall119> which is both good (that so many are in leadership) and bad (that so few are in the community)
[14:08] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/10/14/elected-to-the-ubuntu-community-council/
[14:51] <czajkowski> ok annoying the link going by the planet to the poll is borked
[14:51] <czajkowski> but works fine from my site
[14:53] <head_victim> Well done to all the Community Councillors elected :)
[14:54] <popey> czajkowski: link is wrong on your site
[14:54] <popey> you need to put http:// in front
[14:54] <popey> oh, no, you have a space in the url
[14:54] <popey>  HERE

[14:57] <czajkowski> odd it works fine on site
[14:58] <czajkowski> wodnering is planet slow in updtes
[14:59] <AlanBell> you need to remove the space or planet thinks it is a relative URL and tries to fix it by prepending your site URL
[15:25] <dpm> jcastro, do you know if there is any markdown plugin for Thunderbird? That would be a reason for me to switch
[15:26] <jcastro> I don't see one. :(
[15:28] <dpm> no worries, I'll stick to evo for a while more :)
[15:41] <dholbach> and precise is open for development
[15:55] <sense> Good luck this cycle, everone!
[16:17] <dholbach> ok, I call it a day - have a great WE everyone!
[16:25] <jussi> dpm: quick google revealed this: https://github.com/jhs/thunderbird-markdown - not sure of how useful it is to you
[16:25] <jussi> (or if it is even what you need)
[16:27] <dpm> jussi, "A Thunderbird extension for composing plain text email in Markdown, but sending dual text/HTML versions" yeah, that was exactly what I was looking for! However, it seems it hasn't been worked on for the last 2 years
[16:27] <jussi> :(
[16:27] <jussi> dpm: perhaps its still working and worth reviving...?
[16:27] <jcastro> or convincing ChrisCoulson to fix, mwahahaha.
[16:28] <jussi> jcastro: ++ :D
[16:33] <dpm> lol
[16:42]  * popey cuddles jcastro
[16:43] <jcastro> POPEY
[16:46] <jussi> oh dear, they let akgraner on the CC!!!! $deity help us all :P :P :P
[16:47] <jcastro> OH MY GOD HERE COME THE CHECKLISTS.
[16:49] <sense> Finally! I love lists.
[16:49] <sense> More lists! More lists! More lists!
[16:49] <maco> sense: oh oh how about a list of lists?!
[16:49] <sense> yum!
[16:49] <popey> hah, someone woke sense
[16:49] <jcastro> wb sense!
[16:49] <sense> Hello jcastro!
[16:51] <sense> Did everyone have a nice release day?
[16:52] <jcastro> busy!
[16:53] <sense> I can imagine that!
[16:53] <sense> It seems that the buzz becomes more mainstream every year. Ubuntu is doing great!
[16:59] <maco> i wonder if anyone at my office has upgraded
[16:59] <maco> for that matter, i wonder if vmware will work on oneiric :-/
[17:00] <sense> Why wouldn't it?
[17:08] <dpm> argh, the markdown plugin is not compatible with Thunderbird 7
[17:08]  * dpm calls it a day and digs into the code...
[17:19] <maco> sense: new kernel
[17:19] <sense> ah
[17:19] <maco> vmware only officially started supporting maverick a week before natty came out
[17:20] <maco> thankfully that version worked with natty too
[17:20] <maco> but through most of natty's dev, vmware couldnt run on it. i think for the first few weeks of natty dev, it would, if you patched it heavily, then natty's kernel went up another version and then the existing patches were no use
[17:24] <sense> hmmm
[17:25] <sense> That doesn't sound very hopeful.
[17:26] <maco> it did work on maverick, but it was unsupported. it did not work on natty devel and only just barely got to "working but not supported" status on natty by the skin of its teeth
[17:27] <sense> I would expect better quality support for an OS such as Ubuntu.
[17:27] <maco> it still works weirdly on natty... after using vmware, sometimes i cant use shift, ctrl, or alt outside of vmware, til i toggle a keyboard setting to force it to reload the keyboard stuff and realise those keys exist again
[17:27] <maco> (for example, i'll change caps lock or esc behaviour and my keys will all start working again)
[17:58] <akgraner> jussi, :-)
[17:59] <akgraner> jcastro, email set to all session leaders you were CC'd
[17:59] <jcastro> saw that
[17:59] <jcastro> ta
[18:00] <akgraner> I don't think I missed any information did I?
[18:33] <nigelb> jcastro: when do we start hounding people to approve BPs?
[18:33] <jcastro> all the time?
[18:33] <nigelb> do you have approval powers?
[18:34] <nigelb> we need the ltp and summit ones approved
[18:58]  * popey hugs jcastro
[18:59] <jcastro> I do not have approval powers
[18:59] <jcastro> that's the track lead
[18:59] <nigelb> aha, wait for jono to land  guess.
[18:59] <jcastro> he averages checking for BPs about once a day fwiw
[21:12] <cjohnston> jcastro: /23
[21:12] <cjohnston> uggh
[21:12] <cjohnston> sorry jcastro
[21:40] <akgraner> jcastro, the *ubuntu week/day checklist have all been added :-) - It's kinda cool assigning you to everything :-P
[21:40] <mhall119> lol
[21:40] <jcastro> AWWW YEAH
[21:41] <akgraner> you said you wanted more lists :-) they need color coating and when the dates are decided we'll just need to add that as well
[22:03] <akgraner> pleia2, do you want the modified checklists added to userdays? - you can modify them on the card then I can take your modifications and add it back to googledoc and wiki
[22:04] <akgraner> I wanted to get these ready before UDS so I help find people to help and we have resources (how to's) in case they are new or just need the reassurance about how to help
[22:05] <pleia2> akgraner: I'm afraid my terrible internet connection through sunday isn't going to allow me to do much on trello :(
[22:05] <pleia2> takes too long to load and work with over 3g
[22:05] <akgraner> no worries we have lots of time - :-)
[22:06] <akgraner> I'll add them then you can do modify (or delete) them as necessary
[23:13] <bkerensa> akgraner: Do you know if any LoCo's have considered crowdsourcing a ship-it replacement?
[23:15] <czajkowski> bkerensa: in what way
[23:17] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Well many U.S. LoCo's have members in distant corners of the state and we also get people e-mailing asking for CD's and since Canonical doesnt ship to everyone anymore I figured it might be useful and a good way to spread Ubuntu by a few LoCo's on the West Coast getting together and distributing CD's via a form system and one or two people from each LoCo handling shipping and burning etc
[23:17]  * bkerensa would be willing to contribute to the cost of mailing and donate a spindle of CD's every month or so
[23:18] <bkerensa> Logistically for instance people are not going to travel all the way from Southern Oregon to Portland just to get some Ubuntu CD's and plenty of people do not have the finances to burn CD's themselves to share with friends, schools etc.
[23:19] <czajkowski> bkerensa: AlanBell has done similar in the uk
[23:19] <czajkowski> we do the same in irelnand
[23:20] <czajkowski> it goes to team contact and from there we disribute them out
[23:20] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[23:20] <czajkowski> cds got to approved teams at present only
[23:22] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Yeah I know (Well technically they do but I know one or two LoCo's still get CD's and are unapproved) :)
[23:23] <czajkowski> bkerensa: you still do for conferences yes
[23:23] <czajkowski> but thenew form wont allow non approved teams to get them
[23:23] <AlanBell> not from the team allocation, you can still apply to shipit for specials
[23:24] <bkerensa> czajkowski: I think WA LoCo said something about they still have got release cd's even after ship-it ended
[23:24] <AlanBell> they probably had a stock of them
[23:24] <AlanBell> or someone made a mistake
[23:24] <bkerensa> AlanBell: I think they just directly reached out to Canonical
[23:24] <czajkowski> the last cycle i think shipit got a buit mixed up so now they've had to get tighter to be fairer
[23:24] <bkerensa> oh
[23:24] <czajkowski> if only approved teams are to get them its kinda not fair
[23:25] <czajkowski> unless it's a conference as they get a small amount in a conferen3ce pack
[23:58] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Yeah we got about 200 cd's for PuppetConf
[23:58] <bkerensa> maybe a little more... I didn't count... It was three cases


[15:47] <RoyK> xnox: ping?
[15:49] <xnox> RoyK: hello
[15:49] <xnox> what's up? =)
[16:01] <RoyK> xnox: just wondering about bug 1189567 - I have given enough info to reproduce it with the metadump file (linked to the bug), so I don't see why it's marked incomplete. I also disagree with this being prioritised as "medium" since a supported filesystem really should be repairable
[16:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1189567 in xfsprogs (Ubuntu Quantal) "xfs_repair fails to repair filesystem" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189567
[16:05] <xnox> RoyK: 29MB binary file is hardly a reproducer. How to create corrupted filesystem that xfs fails to repair? The statuses & importance match current information. Please read the Stable Release Updates policy and the Ubuntu Bug Squad documentation.
[16:06] <xnox> RoyK: bug is fixed in Raring & saucy. And it's not clear the scope of machines affected.
[16:07] <xnox> RoyK: case in point - inibiting repairing a filesystem does not cause additional data loss. You can boot raring live-cd and repair the filesystem from the live session.
[16:20] <RoyK> uh... the dump file represents a corrupt filesystem
[16:20] <RoyK> I was under the impression that LTS was meant to be the rock stable one
[16:21] <RoyK> I got the bug confirmed by an xfs developer, as stated in the report
[16:21] <RoyK> so it's there
[16:22] <RoyK> he told me he couldn't help sort out which particular patch it was that fixed it, since his employer (redhat) wouldn't be too happy for him to help out with ubuntu bugs
[16:34] <RoyK> xnox: this is rubbish
[16:36] <xnox> RoyK: i don't deny that it's a real bug affecting precise. but at the same time I do not have time investigating on how to reproduce it (the corruption) and to identify the minimal patches needed to fix it. Please note ubuntu does not automatically upgrade packages to newer point releases for stable systems.
[16:37] <RoyK> well, if an xfs developer tells me it's real, what more should I do?
[16:37] <RoyK> I know this, well, they do, if it's a kernel
[16:37] <RoyK> so that's not completely true
[16:37] <RoyK> then find whoever's responsible for xfs and fix a backkport?
[16:39] <xnox> all packages in ubuntu are managed collectively by ubuntu-developers. If you wish this bug to be fixed in the SRU, to help this happen follow as little or as much from the: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates page.
[16:39] <xnox> for a full point release into -backports
[16:39] <xnox> you can follow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[16:39] <xnox> or find somebody else you will do either of those.
[16:40] <xnox> backport will require testing all reverse-dependenices which includes all partitioning tools.
[16:40] <xnox> just a patch to fix that particular bug will need testing of possible regressions from that patch.
[16:41] <xnox> RoyK: do you or the xfs upstream developer know how to cause a corruption which xfs_repair was failing to fix? is there an upstream test-suite for this bug?
[16:44] <RoyK> I don't know what fixed the corruption - probably silent errors on a disk. I had issues with ext4 too after I changed to a new fs. running zfs now, so it's not a real problem for me anymore, I'm just concerned that such a bug isn't fixed
[16:44] <RoyK> how the corruption happened isn't very relevant either
[16:44] <RoyK> what's relevant is that it can't be repaired with that version of xfsprogs
[16:45] <RoyK> and that's easily reproducable with the metadump
[22:23]  * Noskcaj is away: school


[15:20] <genii> They left now
[15:21] <Myrtti> I don't think it's a chat bot
[15:22] <Myrtti> and yes, they left, after I asked if they had any *real* business
[15:22] <Pici> thanks Myrtti :)
[15:22] <Myrtti> I think the answer was "no"
[15:22] <Myrtti> yw
[16:05] <DJones> I can see why cfhowlett called it a chat bot
[16:05] <DJones> jaska__> ubuntu is fater than windows but it hass less support than windows. i am chat bot ver 1.3 beta
[17:03] <genii> Less support than windows, what?
[17:36] <DJones> What do you expect from an AI chatbot, they've read wikipedia, they "know" that MS Windows is the precurser to Skynet :)
[20:38] <genii> k1l_: I wonder what language that is and what he said, now :)
[20:40] <k1l_> my hindu is not the best, but from his attitude i think we can leave him muted for a bit
[21:30] <k1l_> hi barfod
[21:30] <barfod> i would actually like to know my ban statistics
[21:30] <barfod> as a member of the community i thnk i sort of pissed you off just talking there
[21:30] <barfod> understandable but yes, i would like to understand more of why
[21:31] <k1l_> since you are a known troll and got already a trackrecord in the bantracker your actual behaviour is just to be interpreted as pushing the limits again with the intention of trolling. that is why i muted you
[21:32] <k1l_> 2015-03-17T16:11:09 <barfod> I am getting banned places over ubuntu politics 2015-03-17T16:11:30 <barfod> you guys really ruined linux and the community for a lot of hard working people
[21:32] <barfod> see its this known troll ban tracker idea i think is what's not tolerable
[21:32] <barfod> i'll go ahead and make a report upstream not involving any of you
[21:32] <k1l_> 2015-03-31T22:07:54 <barfod> 14:23 -!- 0 - ##chat: ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[by Bremsstrahlung!~Bremsstra@unaffiliated/metaleer, 2165626 secs ago]
[21:32] <barfod> i dont think this is the relationship with foss that you are meaning to impart
[21:32] <barfod> see that is cross channel
[21:33] <barfod> you are tracking bans on freenode over a linus issuse
[21:33] <barfod> that type of cross channel banning is really bad
[21:33] <barfod> and ieffecting our community in a negative fashion
[21:33] <k1l_> ascii spam on this one: 2015-04-04T21:13:59 <barfod> \ (oo)\___
[21:33] <barfod> that's a self portrait!
[21:33] <k1l_> etc etc etc
[21:33] <barfod> anyway haha
[21:33] <barfod> i get your point
[21:34] <k1l_> so troll somewhere else. the ubuntu community doesnt want your drama
[21:34] <barfod> i need to implement /part in this irc client so give me a minute
[21:36] <barfod> anyway so i want to point out, that you instantly disciplined me over nothing but speaking on topic because of "known troll ban tracking"
[21:36] <barfod> on a channel in which i am muted or currently holding discipline status
[21:36] <Jordan_U> barfod: You were not on topic, and had k1l_ not muted you first I was about to ban you, without even knowing of your ban history.
[21:36] <k1l_> that is not true and can be re read in the logs anytime. now just leave please since your intentions are just to stirr up drama
[21:37] <barfod> i was slightly on topic i really was
[21:37] <barfod> very much only slightly off
[21:37] <barfod> and so i understand your perspective, but also it seems a bit brash
[21:37] <barfod> let me /q here. don't want to cause any trouble
[21:41] <genii> So much drama, so little time
[21:50] <Jordan_U> SolarNRG: Hi.
[21:50] <SolarNRG> look guys, me and k1l_ have talked things thru in private its cool now
[21:51] <Jordan_U> SolarNRG: Have you had a chance to read through http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines ?
[21:52] <SolarNRG> I've had a little skim read, and I apologise for using bad language in the room
[21:58] <Jordan_U> SolarNRG: Do you also recognize that the channel is for Ubuntu support only? You were also asked many times to stop discussing "spyware" in Ubuntu, after having been given the technical solution of turning online search off. After having been given a technical solution, the discussion of wheather it's "spyware" or not is political/social, and thus appropriate for #ubuntu-offtopic or another non support channel.
[22:01] <SolarNRG> Well can you answer me once and for all this: If Ubuntu does not come pre-bundled with spyware, why is there the need in the privacy policy for this: "We don't share your personal information with anyone except to provide you with services, products, to comply with the law, or to protect our rights"
[22:01] <SolarNRG> The except part is what catches my eye, can you please go into more detail
[22:01] <k1l_> SolarNRG: that was already answered
[22:02] <k1l_> if you dont want an online search (which is the excerpt) dont use it or shut it down at all.
[22:03] <Jordan_U> SolarNRG: I have no idea, and I am not personally a fan of many of Ubuntu's policies. It's still not a technical discussion, and thus not appropriate for #ubuntu. You can, and others have, viewed the source for all of Ubuntu's packages. We've explained to you how to turn off online search. That is the technical side of things. For politics/legal/social issues please discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[22:04] <SolarNRG> Is it possible to compile ubuntu entirely from source?
[22:05] <k1l_> SolarNRG: that all is not in the focus of this channel.
[22:07] <SolarNRG> very well I shall only ask technical questions in the #ubuntu room from now on
[22:09] <Jordan_U> SolarNRG: Thanks. Your ban in #ubuntu has been removed.
[22:09] <SolarNRG> thank you Jordan_U
[22:09] <Jordan_U> You're welcome.
[22:14] <genii> ...and on again about the privacy stuff
[22:15] <SolarNRG> you referred me to ubuntu-offtopic to discuss my concerns there
[22:15] <genii> It IS the most appropriate channel, yes.
[22:16] <k1l_> its not like i didnt explain and answer your concerns already lenghtly.   that is what it is making look very strange
[22:17] <bazhang> framing it as 'spyware' is just not correct
[22:18] <bazhang> but SolarNRG knows this
[22:21] <SolarNRG> I'm not framing anything, I'm asking tough questions and I want answers
[22:21] <Flannel> SolarNRG: Take it to #ubuntu-offtopic, this isn't the channel for it.
[22:22] <SolarNRG> sure


[00:59] <cobe571> Just installed. Thank you devs!
[02:21] <carlos> hi
[02:21] <cfhowlett> hey.
[02:21] <cfhowlett> restate your question
[02:21] <carlos> ok
[02:22] <carlos> how can I update a software?
[02:22] <cfhowlett> carlos, with a terminal command
[02:22] <cfhowlett> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[02:23] <carlos> ok, I'll take notes this time :)
[02:23] <cfhowlett> what irc client do you use?
[02:23] <cfhowlett> probably xchat, right?
[02:23] <carlos> yes
[02:24] <carlos> question
[02:24] <carlos> you forgot to put get after apt or is just without get?
[02:24] <cfhowlett> carlos, xchat is no longer developed or supported.  hexchat is the recommended replacement.  and hexchat logs all your conversation right on your computer.  suggest you make the change.
[02:24] <cfhowlett> no I did NOT forget
[02:25] <carlos> without get then?
[02:26] <cfhowlett> learn by doing ...
[02:26] <carlos> ok
[02:26] <carlos> how can I download hexchat then
[02:26] <carlos> ?
[02:26] <cfhowlett> first: did you run the commands I sent?
[02:27] <carlos> I'm write them down
[02:28] <carlos> it's running now
[02:28] <carlos> it finished
[02:29] <carlos> bu it couldn't update blender
[02:29] <cfhowlett> cool.  to expand on an earlier answer: apt-get is on the way out of use.  apt + command is the new normal.  you COULD have run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade            for the same result but I suggest learning the new protocols
[02:30] <cfhowlett> !blender | carlos
[02:30] <cfhowlett> !info blender
[02:30] <cfhowlett> so what version do you have?
[02:31] <carlos> my version 2.75
[02:31] <carlos> they already released the version 2.76
[02:32] <cfhowlett> !newest | carlos
[02:33] <cfhowlett> carlos, show me what version of ubuntu you have please?  (neat trick.  pay attention!)
[02:33] <carlos> my ubuntu studio versio is 14.04
[02:33] <cfhowlett> lsb_release -a | nc termbin.com 9999
[02:33] <cfhowlett> copy and past the url here
[02:34] <carlos> what url?
[02:34] <cfhowlett> run the command
[02:34] <carlos> wich one?
[02:34] <cfhowlett> lsb_release -a | nc termbin.com 9999
[02:37] <carlos> http://termbin.com/d6sv
[02:38] <cfhowlett> carlos, nice.  latest version.  do this:   dpkg -l | grep blender | nc termbin.com 9999
[02:38] <carlos> ok
[02:39] <cfhowlett> also you should click the link to see what you "pasted"
[02:39] <carlos> I did it :)
[02:39] <cfhowlett> look how much you're learning!
[02:39] <cfhowlett> and the url???
[02:39] <carlos> How did you learn all this?
[02:40] <cfhowlett> when you paste, you have to show the url!
[02:40] <cfhowlett> I told you already!  "learn by doing"
[02:40] <cfhowlett> but you could do a bit of reading ....
[02:40] <cfhowlett> !manual
[02:41] <cfhowlett> and you download and read www.fullcirclemagazine.org/downloads
[02:41] <cfhowlett> there are 100 free issues up now.  start at #0 and work through.  You will be an ubuntu "guru" long before you hit #100
[02:42] <carlos> thank you very much guys
[02:42] <carlos> by the way, the last command is done
[02:42] <cfhowlett> URL!
[02:42] <carlos> it says use netchat
[02:43] <carlos> dpk: command not found
[02:43] <carlos> is that normal?
[02:43] <cfhowlett> copy and paste what I sent you.  you mistyped
[02:44] <carlos> http://termbin.com/eelx
[02:45] <cfhowlett> carlos, you have the latest blender available in the ubuntu repos.  for the newest release >>> wait for it or compile it your self.
[02:46] <carlos> oh, but I have the tar file of blender 2.76, does that help?
[02:47] <cfhowlett> !blender | carlos
[02:47] <cfhowlett> !compile | carlos
[02:47] <cfhowlett> installing from tar is no the recommended way of doing business, but you can.  read the link above
[02:47] <cfhowlett> before you do all that: do you TRULY NEED the latest version???
[02:48] <carlos> not now
[02:48] <cfhowlett> then I strongly suggest you use 2.69 and learn it well while awaiting the next version to enter the ubuntu universe.
[02:49] <carlos> understood, I'll wait then
[02:49] <carlos> thank you very much for your help
[02:50] <carlos> sorry if bothered to much
[02:50] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[02:50] <cfhowlett> join the ubuntustudio mailing list and forums.  see the support sections on ubuntustudio.org
[02:50] <cfhowlett> and welcome!
[02:51] <carlos> see ya next time
[02:52] <cfhowlett> peace
[17:18] <eneko> hi
[17:36] <eneko> i'm newbie here, having troubles installing dssi-vst it says i got broken paquets
[17:36] <eneko> any help?
[18:05] <zequence> eneko: apt says you have broken packages?
[18:05] <eneko> yeah
[18:17] <zequence> eneko: It's not a problem with dssi-vst, but in what repos you have included (PPAs and such), and what packages you have installed from those
[18:18] <zequence> Does apt tell you to try "sudo apt-get install -f"
[18:18] <zequence> If so, please try that
[18:18] <zequence> You can try it either case, actually
[18:18] <zequence> Also, dssi-vst is not in Ubuntu repos.
[18:18] <zequence> I'm guessing KX?
[18:19] <zequence> You should try  #kxstudio
[18:19] <zequence> Once you add KX repos, it is not Ubuntu Studio anymore.
[19:07] <eneko> oh, i was trying ardour a bit right now. I forgot about this while playing the guitar hehe
[19:07] <eneko> i'll try it right now zequence
[23:25] <aleksey_> ркарапр
[23:25] <aleksey_> 54345
[23:26] <aleksey_> русскиеесь
[23:26] <TheMaster> !ru | aleksey_


[00:43] <johnny77> if dhclient recieved a IP address from the router is there a way to clear that IP address and have it search for another?
[00:52] <Cheri703> I think so, let me google
[00:54] <Cheri703> is there a specific reason you need a different ip johnny77 ?
[00:56] <johnny77> Cheri703: I was able to get internet earlier, but I rebooted and now I can't. I thought maybe if I can force a renew maybe that is why.
[00:56] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[00:56] <Cheri703> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=435851
[00:56] <Cheri703> might not get a new one though, due to router things
[00:56] <Cheri703> possibly setting a static one might help
[00:56] <johnny77> I tried that earlier too...
[00:58] <Cheri703> :/
[01:03] <johnny77> Cheri703: The worse part is when I got it to work before, I was just messing around with stuff and it started to work... not sure what I did. :/
[01:04] <JackyAlcine> Awh, I miss seidos.
[01:04] <Cheri703> yeah johnny77, that always sucks, perhaps deleting your config file? letting it figure it out again?
[01:06] <johnny77> JackyAlcine: Has he just not been around today?
[01:06] <JackyAlcine> \o/
[01:06]  * JackyAlcine hugs seidos
[01:06] <johnny77> JackyAlcine: Ask and you shall receive!!
[01:06] <johnny77> Cheri703: where is the config file?
[01:06] <Cheri703> uhm....
[01:07] <Cheri703> one sec
[01:07]  * seidos hugs JackyAlcine
[01:07] <seidos> what's going on?
[01:07] <JackyAlcine> I said that I missed you.
[01:07] <JackyAlcine> And you came back. ;D
[01:08] <Cheri703> /etc/network/interfaces
[01:08] <seidos> \o/
[01:08] <Cheri703> open that and take a look
[01:08] <Cheri703> johnny77: ^^
[01:55] <johnny77> paultag: you around?
[02:03] <johnny77> going to eat bbl
[03:11] <johnny77> wow it's quite
[03:12] <tta> because youare timide
[03:32] <tta> the youth of today is sleeping... who will build tomorrow?
[03:39] <JackyAlcine> I'm not.
[03:39] <tta> so ?
[03:40] <JackyAlcine> I'm trying to build tomorrow.
[03:42] <tta> when i install ubuntu 10.10 after the choice of the language it doesn't go futher
[03:49] <tta> you see people are sleeping
[03:52] <UndiFineD> tta: did you md5sum check ?
[03:52] <tta> md5 hash yes
[03:53] <paultag> hey johnny77
[03:53] <tta> salut
[03:54] <paultag> howdy tta
[03:54] <paultag> (almost like ta-ta)
[03:55] <tta> no t-t-a like thêta
[03:55] <tta> (in french ; maths symbol
[03:55] <paultag> ahha
[04:21] <r4y> Hello
[04:21] <r4y> I have a question and then I will go away
[04:22] <JackyAlcine> I mean, you're welcome to stay, r4y.
[04:22] <JackyAlcine> But what's up?
[04:22] <r4y> I found out I can have two versions of wine installed on Ubuntu using Playonlinux
[04:22] <JackyAlcine> Pretty useful, isn't it?
[04:22] <r4y> So I downloaded Playonlinux and it was easy to install wine 1.0
[04:23] <r4y> but I don't know how to use wine 1.0 or the other wine when I want to
[04:23] <r4y> I love the idea
[04:23] <r4y> I can't wait to try this out
[04:23] <JackyAlcine> r4y: Ah, that's the tricky part; you'd have to configure each application specifically in the Wine configuration.
[04:24] <r4y> OK
[04:24] <r4y> I will look some more
[04:24] <r4y> I wish I had that link, I looked and looked through my links for that link
[04:25] <r4y> I imagine. Tool, manage wine versions is where to go
[04:25] <JackyAlcine> Indeed; I'll give you an accurate answer when my Ubuntu distro with Wine on it starts up.
[04:26] <r4y> Well that can't be it. It only has the option to remove wine 1.0
[04:26] <r4y> Unless I missed something under tools, manage Wine versions, so I will look else where
[04:29] <r4y> I think I found it, but I need to run a test
[04:31] <r4y> Well, I don't think that worked
[04:31] <r4y> Ya, it didn't change
[04:32] <r4y> I will say what I did
[04:32] <r4y> just a sec
[04:33] <r4y> settings, general, environment, I click on the drop down box and picked Wine 1.0, then I closed Playonlinux for changes to take place then opened Playonlinux, then I opened wine from applications
[04:33] <r4y> So
[04:34] <r4y> I don't know what to do
[04:34] <r4y> I thought before I would be able to open Wine 1.0 inside Playonlinux
[04:41] <r4y> Was I suppose to download Wine 1.0 from somewhere from source and have Playonlinux install that?, or is Playonlinux like ADD/REMOVE, Ubuntu Software Center and Synaptic Package Manager?
[04:42] <r4y> With the exception of owned games and software of coarse
[04:45] <r4y> I am guessing I need to download the source package of Wine 1.0 then
[04:46] <r4y> OK, downloaded and extracted
[04:46] <r4y> Now what?
[04:52] <r4y> If I have to compile wine 1.0 then I can try. I have compiled a few things, but I am some what new to it.
[04:52] <r4y> I had read some of the readme text file a while ago.
[04:53] <r4y> I need to go make salad for a little though
[05:03] <JackyAlcine> r4y: You want a certain version of Wine to run for a certain app?
[05:27] <r4y> Part of what I want is to learn, and the other is to run an emulator called Meka to play shooting games with the mouse as the lasergun. Meka doesn't run the ways I want it to under the latest wine, plus it would be nice to have the latest version of wine.
[05:27] <r4y> Learning is my main goal though
[05:27] <r4y> I think I understand what to do, but I could be wrong
[05:28] <r4y> compile wine using the terminal
[05:28] <r4y> then place the binary under, what a sec
[05:29] <r4y> I think I am wrong now after looking at:
[05:29] <r4y> "/home/ray/.PlayOnLinux/WineVersions/1.0/usr/bin'"
[05:30] <r4y> As it has wine under it
[05:30] <r4y> but is it run-able?, I will mess with it for a little
[05:32] <r4y> OK, I don't know what to do.
[05:32] <r4y> That path has wine in it
[05:33] <r4y> But the file called wine doesn't execute
[05:33] <r4y> So I must need to do something else.
[05:38] <r4y> I must have done something wrong:
[05:38] <r4y> http://www.playonlinux.com/en/manual.html
[05:38] <r4y> there it has browse to the installer. That didn't happen for me, so I should start all over
[05:40] <r4y> Should I just use Playonlinux from Ubuntu Software Center?, because it says an updated version is available.
[05:45] <r4y> After installing wine again it doesn't appear on Playonlinux when opening, nor did it before. It only appears under manage wine versions and like 2 drop down boxes and the plugins path which was under the path I pasted earlier
[05:46] <r4y> So I can't run it with the run button shown on the first window when Playonlinux pops up when opening Playonlinux
[05:47] <r4y> I tell you exavtly what I did
[05:49] <r4y> I opened Playonlinux, then I went to tools, manage wine versions, and from the available versions of wine listed, I picked Wine 1.0, then it said it was downloading it, then it said it extracted it, then it said it was installing it, and when it was done it said it was installed.
[05:49] <r4y> Now what?
[05:50] <holstein> hey r4y
[05:50] <holstein> whats going on here?
[05:50] <holstein> i just got on and notice the scroll-back ;)
[05:51] <bioterror> r4y, must be really good games, if you spend so much time hustling with wine
[06:32] <r4y> Like I said, for me it's mostly about learning, but it's not like I don't enjoy things on Ubuntu.
[06:34] <r4y> I have played the game Gangster Town using Meka on Hardy Heron with the mouse as the lasergun using Wine 1.0
[06:34] <r4y> It worked
[06:35] <r4y> Fullscreen works, the mouse works really well, the sound is great, but the latest wine on Ubuntu Lucid Lynx doesn't work well with Meka
[06:36] <holstein> r4y: who makes Meka?
[06:37] <holstein> you should try and contact them, and let them know you would be interested in a linux version
[06:37] <holstein> linux, or wine support
[06:39] <r4y> In fact to barely get Meka to work under the latest wine on Ubuntu Lucid Lynx I had to configure Wines resolution to get Meka to work. I tried different versions of Meka. I tried compiling Meka from source, but Fullscreen is not as big as it was as with using the Windows version under Hardy Heron. The linux version of Meka also barely ran if sound was enabled, but sound disabled it worked...
[06:39] <r4y> ...good but like I said fullscreen was basically windowed.
[06:40] <holstein> ah, so there is a linux verion
[06:40] <r4y> They are looking for a maintainer for having Meka ready for Linux.
[06:40] <holstein> whats the issue with it?
[06:40] <holstein> oh, so they dont have a linux version?
[06:40] <r4y> I just said, there's no sound and fullscreen is windowed.
[06:40] <holstein> r4y: i wasnt sure what that was in reference to
[06:41] <bioterror> I had couple of years ago real MegaDrive II ; )
[06:41] <r4y> It would be even better if Kega Fusion had the same feature as Meka where the mouse can be used as the lasergun
[06:41] <bioterror> but I gave it away, actually I never liked Sega's
[06:42] <r4y> HerzogZwei is one of my favorite Genesis games
[06:42] <r4y> It's Herzog Zwei.
[06:43] <r4y> O, OK, source can mean for Windows as well then?
[06:43] <r4y> Sorry
[06:45] <r4y> Well, I could see if other versions of wine can be installed by Playonlinux that work, or I could download the latest stable version of Playonlinux and try from there I suppose
[06:46] <r4y> I am sorry, I can't be running the most current version of wine, I am running Ubuntu 10.04.
[06:46] <holstein> i would say try going forward first
[06:46] <r4y> What's the latest release of Ubuntu right now?
[06:46] <holstein> 10.04 is the latest long term support release
[06:46] <holstein> 8.04 was the last long term support
[06:47] <holstein> 10.10 is the latest
[06:47] <r4y> Right, which is why I have 10.04 installed
[06:47] <r4y> Not that I know why it matters
[06:47] <r4y> Maybe it doesn't
[06:47] <holstein> longer support?
[06:47] <r4y> How much longer?
[06:47] <holstein> 3 years
[06:47] <holstein> 5 for the server?
[06:47] <r4y> OK
[06:48] <r4y> Well, it couldn't hurt to try, I have 3 hard drives
[06:48] <holstein> try?
[06:48] <holstein> 10.10?
[06:48] <r4y> I have everything backed up as well.
[06:48] <holstein> probably a PPA for wine
[06:48] <holstein> for 10.04
[06:49] <r4y> I have 10.04 on all 3, but I want to try out more versions on Linux someday
[06:49] <holstein> all 3 ?
[06:49] <holstein> hard drives?
[06:50] <holstein> in different machines?
[06:50] <r4y> I wish they made this easier. Can I have 2 versions of wine without Playonlinux
[06:50] <r4y> no 3 hard drive one machine
[06:51] <r4y> I also have Windows XP on another computer with it's own hard drive so I have 4 hard drives
[06:51] <holstein> you have 3 installs of lucid?
[06:51] <holstein> interesting
[06:51] <r4y> Yep
[06:51] <holstein> in dont know about playonlinux
[06:52] <holstein> i usually just try wine
[06:52] <holstein> and look on wineHQ
[06:52] <r4y> 1 for a back up of everything, 1 to experiment on and just in case one of the other 2 hard drives dies, and one to use most of the time.
[06:53] <r4y> Cool, I will
[06:54] <r4y> I didn't realize this, but Playonlinux is a frontend for wine:
[06:54] <r4y> http://wiki.winehq.org/PlayOnLinux
[06:55] <r4y> I thought it was an independent program made for specific games and programs to work on linux
[06:55] <r4y> but
[06:55] <r4y> it does so using Wine which I didn't know
[06:56] <holstein> we cant have that
[06:56] <holstein> wine is the best we have
[06:56] <holstein> and some things work great
[06:56] <holstein> some things work great, and then break
[06:56] <holstein> something things never work
[06:56] <holstein> im not a big gamer
[06:56] <holstein> but i try and let companies know i use linux
[06:57] <r4y> I've never played online games like Warcraft
[06:57] <holstein> pretty sure they could care less
[06:57] <r4y> It might come in handy in the future to know how to use Linux
[06:58] <r4y> on the job
[06:58] <holstein> well, its not going to hurt anything
[06:58] <r4y> I've never worked on computer though
[06:58] <holstein> not going to help you play commercial games though
[06:58] <holstein> til more of them start supporting linux
[06:59] <holstein> IF we see steam or something like that for linux
[06:59] <holstein> that will be nice
[06:59] <holstein> the OSX version is a step in the right direction i think
[06:59] <r4y> I mean I put this computer together and so forth. I mean I connected the motherboard to this computers case and connected the hardware within it and so forth to be specific
[06:59] <holstein> and the ubuntu software store might be an answer to this as well
[07:01] <r4y> I was told mac sucks compared to Linux, however my uncle told me that mac makes there hardware to work more directly with their software, and I don't know where he got that info from.
[07:01] <holstein> you can see mac machines at bestbuys now
[07:01] <r4y> I understand mac is like unix based or something like linux is or something
[07:01] <holstein> and lots of other places
[07:01] <holstein> i dont like it
[07:01] <holstein> but dont take anyones word for anything ;)
[07:02] <holstein> computers suck
[07:02] <r4y> I am just saying.
[07:02] <r4y> Right right
[07:02] <r4y> Windows has it's ups and downs like Linux and Mac
[07:02] <holstein> apple generally has a smaller pool of hardware to support
[07:02] <holstein> since you can only run OSX on apple hardware
[07:03] <holstein> *suppoed to anyways
[07:03] <r4y> Linux is great because it basically doesn't get viruses as far as I have read for the most part or something
[07:03] <holstein> lin and win need to try and support more hardware
[07:03] <r4y> Although
[07:03] <holstein> well, linux does anyways
[07:04] <r4y> Anytime we download source from a questionable source, we could be asking for it
[07:04] <r4y> That's why I have a hard drive for experimenting.
[07:04] <holstein> eh, anytime you get online, you could be 'asking for it'
[07:05] <holstein> i say, research, and do what makes you feel comfortable
[07:05] <r4y> Not that I will absolutely not install something bad that can lurk in the background undetected. How would I know
[07:05] <r4y> ?
[07:05] <r4y> keyloggers, etc
[07:05] <r4y> I try to download from trusted websites
[07:06] <r4y> I think I should try a wine IRC chat room.
[07:06] <holstein> most of what i use is in the official ubuntu repositories
[07:06] <r4y> This is a chat room?
[07:06] <holstein> r4y: the wine channel was a bit dead
[07:06] <bioterror> this is IRC Channel
[07:06] <holstein> when i was looking
[07:06] <holstein> but, go for it
[07:06] <bioterror> on irc we have channels :D
[07:07] <r4y> I do the same. I use from Ubuntu software Center and Synaptic Package Manager the most
[07:07] <Cheri703> r4y, some of the general discussion would be better suited in #ubuntu-beginners-team it is the off topic channel, since this isn't specifically support related
[07:07] <r4y> Well, then what is a chat room?
[07:07] <Cheri703> if you have specific questions, then feel free to ask them here
[07:07] <r4y> OK
[07:07] <bioterror> r4y, try to avoid compiling from the source, if you have to, make a package and use dpkg to install it
[07:07] <bioterror> liek using checkinstall for example
[07:08] <r4y> checkinstall?
[07:08] <r4y> I recently used alien to convert an rpm package to deb for a game called tong
[07:09] <r4y> I understand how to compile a little bit this is what I know
[07:09] <r4y> "./configure"
[07:09] <r4y> "make"
[07:09] <r4y> "sudo make install"
[07:09] <bioterror> that's wrong :D
[07:09] <bioterror> sudo checkinstall
[07:09] <r4y> hold up
[07:11] <r4y> what's that?
[07:11] <aveilleux> exit
[07:11] <bioterror> r4y, apt-cache show checkinstall
[07:12] <r4y> I mean what does it do?
[07:12] <bioterror> it does a .deb, .rpm or what ever
[07:12] <bioterror> and installs it using the package manager
[07:12] <bioterror> if you install from source just "sudo make install"
[07:12] <bioterror> you cant remove it easily, or upgrade it
[07:13] <bioterror> but when you use a software like checkinstall, you can do it
[07:13] <holstein> bioterror: thats a good tip :)
[07:14] <r4y> Hmm, I am thinking I should look it up on Google to understand better.
[07:14] <bioterror> there's really no idea to do "make install" if you're having an intelligent package manager like dpkg
[07:14] <r4y> Thank you, that's sounds great
[07:14] <holstein> or install it
[07:14] <holstein> and check out man checkinstall
[07:15] <r4y> So dpkg will or won't remember what's installed?
[07:15] <bioterror> if you dont use dpkg for installing software, it wont handle it
[07:16] <r4y> Isn't aptitude a frontend for dpkg?
[07:16] <bioterror> yes
[07:16] <bioterror> something like that
[07:16] <r4y> Not needed though, right?
[07:18] <r4y> Sorry, I think you already answered that question
[07:19] <_jade> hi,all,i use 10.10,and i want uninstall the openjdk in /usr/lib/jvm,what can i do?i hava uninstall it at software center,but nothing
[07:21] <r4y> Thank you bioterror, holstein, JackyAlcine, and Cheri703. Bye
[07:21] <bioterror> jade, open terminal
[07:21] <bioterror> jade are you about to install sun-java6?
[07:21] <bioterror> the "propietary" java?
[07:22] <_jade> i hava install jdk  from oracle.com
[07:23] <bioterror> oh no
[07:23] <_jade> i'm a java developer
[07:23] <bioterror> did you get something newer than: sun-java6/sun-java6-jre_6.24-1build<IP_ADDRESS>_all.deb
[07:24] <r4y> I found this:(THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH)::);)
[07:24] <r4y> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2356.html
[07:24] <_jade> i install jdk-6u24-linux-i586.bin,a uncompress file
[07:25] <bioterror> jade, I would suggest you to remove it, then I would like to suggest you to enable partner repository
[07:25] <bioterror> and then you have to run two commands
[07:25] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-{jre,bin,plugin,fonts}
[07:25] <bioterror> and then: sudo apt-get purge openjdk-6-{jre,jre-lib,jre-headless} icedtea{-6-jre-cacao,6-plugin}
[07:26] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[07:27] <_jade> thanks,i try
[08:15] <r4y> bye
[08:17] <r4y> I found out there is a playonlinux irc channel
[08:57] <v0lic0> Is it possible to find some help with an Intrepid problem?
[08:57] <v0lic0> Actually, it's more of a virtualbox/repo problem I think.
[08:57] <seidos> not really :|
[08:57] <seidos> at least from me, v0lic0
[08:58] <seidos> why not upgrade?
[08:58] <seidos> working
[08:58] <v0lic0> Well, I'm actually on B|T 4 r2 and I believe it's built on Intrepid.
[08:59] <v0lic0> And I've been researching this for about three days now.
[08:59] <seidos> you aren't making sense
[08:59] <seidos> alcohol?
[08:59] <v0lic0> What?
[08:59]  * seidos plays a flute
[08:59] <v0lic0> Back Track 4 r2.
[09:00] <v0lic0> It's a distro for pen-testing built on top of Intrepid.
[09:01] <seidos> not sure what i can do to help
[09:01] <v0lic0> But every since I've upgraded to the r2 with the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel I've been unable to get virtualbox to install.
[09:01] <seidos> googol
[09:02] <v0lic0> Yes, hence the 'And I've been researching this for about three days now' part.
[09:02] <v0lic0> Thank you for time at any rate seidos.
[09:10] <duanedesign> v0lic0: what distro are you using?
[09:10] <duanedesign> Back Track?
[09:11] <seidos> r2d2?
[09:11] <v0lic0> Sorry duane, I was talking to my wife. lol
[09:11] <v0lic0> Yes, BT4 r2.
[09:12] <seidos> Beginners Team 4
[09:12] <seidos> fix my dharmawheel please
[09:12] <seidos> if !right: fix()
[09:14] <seidos> i need cheese to work
[09:14] <seidos> oh yeah
[09:14] <seidos> i want to move all this to video conferencing
[09:16] <duanedesign> seidos: what?
[09:17] <seidos> duanedesign: more specific?
[09:46] <seidos> why is my website rendering fine in chromium, but not firefox?
[09:46] <bioterror> becouse your html skillz sucks :(
[09:47] <bioterror> that's the life of layout larry
[09:47] <seidos> align = "center"
[09:47] <seidos> happening in <head> and <body>
[09:47] <bioterror> to wonder why something works okay on firefox, and other looks worse and then again something looks good on ie which is the "mainstream" browser
[09:47] <seidos> thanks for the non-help
[09:47] <head_victim> Don't feel too bad, the wiki.u.c has issues as well.
[09:48] <seidos> i don't care about IE
[09:48] <seidos> i don't even have it
[09:48] <JoeMaverickSett> seidos: supposed to be "text-align: center;" in css, iirc
[09:48] <bioterror> seidos, dont you worry about firefox, becouse chrome is the new firefox!
[09:48] <seidos> i didn't get the memo
[09:48] <seidos> JoeMaverickSett: i'll try that
[09:51] <seidos> what skills?
[10:10] <seidos> JoeMaverickSett: didn't work in firefox.
[10:10] <seidos> it doesn't really matter, it's just an interesting puzzle
[10:10] <seidos> anybody who goes to my site probably will use chrome or chromium anyway...
[10:13] <seidos> actually, chromium hasn't been working with video, i need to replace someone at googol so they can be free to do other things?
[10:13] <seidos> or what?
[10:13] <seidos> oops
[10:13] <seidos> i'm dumb
[10:39] <s-fox> =)
[12:00] <fatharrahman> hi UndiFineD i received  your email thanks hi yofel do you remember me lol
[12:05] <fatharrahman> hi
[12:06] <fatharrahman> am not quitting you xchat laying
[12:23] <psychosematic> Him guys, i'm first year social science degree and i need some help understanding some of the concepts can anyone help me ?
[12:25] <AbhijiT> :-o
[12:25] <AbhijiT> psychosematic, this is ubuntu support channel
[12:25] <seidos> psychosematic: pm me
[12:27] <AbhijiT> :-/
[13:15] <johnny77> I've installed a Ubuntu 10.10 CLI, then installed Fluxbox. It was working last night when I turned it off, but now I'm getting a initramfs error when I boot. Anyone have any suggestions?
[13:16] <bioterror> and the whole error is:
[13:18] <johnny77> bioterror: let me boot
[13:19] <johnny77> bioterror: I get a mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: no such file or directory
[13:20] <johnny77> bioterror: then the same with /sys & /proc
[13:21] <bioterror> did you run a proper shutdown?
[13:23] <johnny77> bioterror: short answer no.
[13:24] <bioterror> you just pressed power button for ~5secs, johnny77?
[13:25] <johnny77> bioterror: had to. it froze up on me. I know better not to, but nothing would respond
[13:25] <bioterror> boot livecd, and run fsck for the partitions
[13:26] <bioterror> probably something is broken
[13:26] <johnny77> would it matter if it was a live cd for 10.04? Can I do with Alternative CD? or should i make one for 10.10?
[13:27] <bioterror> doesnt matter
[13:32] <philinux> johnny77: for an unresponsive system try this in future. http://kember.net/articles/reisub-the-gentle-linux-restart/
[13:40] <johnny77> bioterror: I typed: fsck /dev/sd1 and recieved an error - superblock could not be read.
[13:41] <philinux> johnny77: put sudo in front of command
[13:42] <philinux> also it would be sda1 or sdb1 etc
[13:42] <johnny77> philinux: thank you. it's cdhecking now.
[13:43] <johnny77> *checking
[13:45] <philinux> johnny77: If I run this I usually run it - sudo fsck -v /dev/xxxx the -v is for verbose mode
[13:46] <johnny77> philinux: what does verbose mode do?
[13:46] <bioterror> man fsck
[13:47] <philinux> johnny77: more info on the process thats all
[13:48] <philinux> johnny77: did you read my previous link on reisub
[13:48] <johnny77> philinux: yes
[13:49] <philinux> johnny77: good. that should stop you having to use the big off button. Which does cause problems for any OS
[14:02] <johnny77> bioterror philinux: thank you guys. I got it back up!!! YAY! :D
[14:02] <philinux> johnny77: nice
[14:02] <philinux> johnny77: what caused the lock up in the first place
[14:04] <johnny77> philinux: not sure. I was installing something... can't remember what and it just locked up. :|  It's an old laptop so it could just be old RAM or something.
[14:04] <philinux> ah ok.
[14:39] <Fvic> what does apport command does??
[14:43] <wolfpack> Fvic: Apport is tool in ubuntu  which helps in collecting information about a package and report it to lunchpad. It is used for filing bugs
[15:04] <Fvic> wolfpack, if i wish to find information about diff package,how to use this command?
[15:04] <Fvic> wolfpack, is it specially for bugs and can not used elsewhere??
[15:15] <philinux> Fvic: see here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[15:16] <wolfpack> Fvic: You can save the information about the package but the report will be mainly about the crash . hardware, ubuntu verion etc.
[15:17] <charlie-tca> Fvic: might want to check out the     rmadison     application for package information
[15:18] <charlie-tca> rmadison will give all the package details, withouth the crash report information
[15:22] <Fvic> charlie-tca, how to use this rmadison??
[15:23] <charlie-tca> open a terminal, type           rmadison
[15:23] <charlie-tca> oops
[15:23] <charlie-tca> rmadison PACKAGENAME
[15:23] <Fvic> charlie-tca, ok..thanks
[15:23] <charlie-tca> or even      rmadison --help
[15:23] <johnny77> I'm having trouble setting up my wireless card. I know it works, because I've got it to work, but if I reboot it start to not work again and give me a "No working leases in persistent database - sleeping." error when I run sudo dhclient wlan0
[15:24] <Fvic> wolfpack,thanks
[15:35] <s-fox> Hello mohi :)
[15:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hello s-fox. how are you today?
[15:35] <s-fox> Not bad, how are you ?
[15:36] <IAmNotThatGuy> s-fox, Just now came back from office. (:"
[15:36] <s-fox> (=
[15:37]  * IAmNotThatGuy thinks s-fox is free for about a week :P
[15:37] <s-fox> I am free?
[15:37] <s-fox> For what IAmNotThatGuy ?
[15:37] <IAmNotThatGuy> I am seeing you daily in here s-fox. which is unusual :P
[15:41] <s-fox> I was busy for a few days last week IAmNotThatGuy .
[15:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> ah! okies
[15:44] <philinux> We log in but we not really here !
[15:45] <s-fox> Naturally ;)
[15:45] <IAmNotThatGuy> YAY PHILINUX
[15:45] <IAmNotThatGuy> sup philinux ?
[15:45]  * philinux is in the ether
[15:46] <IAmNotThatGuy> :o
[15:55] <rakshasa> When I boot ubuntu sometimes my graphics are all weird. When i restart the problem solved itself, I already reinstalled and recongifured Xserver Xorg but that doesn't help
[15:57] <IAmNotThatGuy> rakshasa, how you re-configured xorg? can you please explain me?
[15:57] <rakshasa> Default
[15:58] <rakshasa> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[15:58] <rakshasa> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:58] <rakshasa> Thats all i did
[15:58] <rakshasa> The problem recurred less after that
[15:58] <rakshasa> but still
[15:59] <rakshasa> Sometimes
[16:00] <rakshasa> I got an Intel Graphics 4500HDM
[16:00] <rakshasa> Icons sometimes get all weird
[16:01] <rakshasa> When I restart the problem goes away, maybe its hardware specific
[16:02] <rakshasa> I just installed Ubuntu over a week ago so pretty new to it
[16:02] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/671015
[16:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 671015 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Intel GMA 4500MHD" [Undecided,New]
[16:02] <holstein> maybe ?
[16:03] <philinux> rakshasa: try running with compiz turned off
[16:04] <rakshasa> I'll try it
[16:04] <philinux> rakshasa: desktop effects or visual effects set to none
[16:04] <jledbetter> rakshasa, IAmNotThatGuy had to dash but said ' tell him to try booting with a Live CD, copy its xorg contents to etc/x11/'  I don't use xorg but pasting what he said in case that'll help
[16:06] <rakshasa> I have already booted with Live!, the problem iconically does not occur when booting live
[16:07] <rakshasa> Ill try copying the contents
[16:07] <holstein> rakshasa: see what kernel the live CD is using
[16:07] <holstein> uname -a in a terminal
[16:08] <rakshasa> Tnx for the help
[16:10] <rakshasa> Another problem: I disable my touchpad trough the xinput property setter
[16:11] <rakshasa> But if I restart the set properties did not persist
[16:11] <rakshasa> :p
[16:12] <holstein> i say, choose your battles
[16:12] <holstein> maybe, deal with the video first, and then move on to the touchpad
[16:13] <rakshasa> I'm reading up on configuration of Xorg at the same time :p
[17:26] <s-fox> Hello DiegoTc
[17:26] <DiegoTc> hi s-fox
[17:27] <s-fox> wb
[17:28] <franchoy> I installed plymouth manager but it doesn't work :(
[17:28] <franchoy> does anyone know how can I change my ugly bootsplash?..:(
[17:28] <franchoy> it has those texts...
[17:28] <franchoy> thanks
[17:29] <holstein> franchoy: you dual-booting?
[17:29] <holstein> OH, you mean GDM
[17:29] <holstein> not grub
[17:29] <franchoy> yes
[17:29] <holstein> NM
[17:29] <franchoy> Im using burg not grub
[17:32] <holstein> thats what its called
[17:32] <holstein> i was looking for a link to burg
[17:32] <holstein> personally, i cant imagine caring about it
[17:32] <holstein> since it flashes up there for a few seconds
[17:32] <holstein> but, what is the issue?
[17:32] <holstein> BURG is not working?
[17:33] <franchoy> I dont really got bothered on may login, but in my shutdown my screen looks like it has so many problems, the screen is blotted with texts..
[17:33] <franchoy> the splash screen..
[17:34] <holstein> so, its on the way out?
[17:34] <franchoy> it shows so many things
[17:34] <holstein> logout screen?
[17:34] <holstein> what are the messages?
[17:34] <holstein> maybe its something that needs attention
[17:34] <franchoy> cant understand.. I think its the process
[17:34] <franchoy> cause sometimes I see some commands like "kill"
[17:35] <holstein> i see 'checking for unattended updates'
[17:35] <holstein> and others
[17:35] <franchoy> yes, that's it..
[17:35] <franchoy> why does those text keeps on showing up?
[17:35] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1526402
[17:35] <holstein> maybe ^^
[17:36] <franchoy> it just irritates me, cause its like my laptop is broken or something..
[17:36] <holstein> yeah?
[17:36] <holstein> is it broken?
[17:36] <franchoy> its just a sore in the eye, thats all..
[17:36] <franchoy> no..
[17:36] <holstein> lol
[17:36] <franchoy> hehehe
[17:36] <holstein> i said it earlier
[17:36] <holstein> choose your battles ;)
[17:36] <stlsaint> how you folks doing this fine day?
[17:38] <franchoy> haha i looked at the forum, and the only helpful thing that I read there is not to look the screen... lol
[17:39] <holstein> you have the 'quiet' option?
[17:39] <holstein> http://superuser.com/questions/44280/hiding-the-boot-up-text-in-ubuntu
[17:40] <holstein> "ubuntu hide text on shutdown" is what i googled
[17:40] <holstein> if you want to weed through the results yourself
[17:43] <franchoy> holstein: thanks for the replies... but I can't seem to find the answer for my problem.. I've been searching for it for about a month now..
[17:43] <holstein> franchoy: so, you do have the quiet option then?
[17:44] <holstein> what did that do?
[17:44] <franchoy> yup..
[17:44] <franchoy> nothing..
[17:44] <franchoy> hehehe
[17:47] <holstein> franchoy: where did you put it?
[17:49] <franchoy> I just followed all the instructions
[17:57] <szczur> franchy, try to install some plymouth themes for example plymouth-theme-solar, and then check if this site helps you
[17:57] <szczur> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/quick-tipplymouth-themes-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx.html
[18:44] <DiegoTc_> duanedesign do you have one minute
[18:47] <kristian-aalborg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/i386/metamail/2.7-54 <--- what should I do to get the package?
[18:47] <kristian-aalborg> would it be unwise to get the .deb?
[18:56] <duanedesign> kristian-aalborg: hello
[18:58] <duanedesign> kristian-aalborg: just download the .deb and double-click to install
[18:59] <kristian-aalborg> duanedesign: yes, I got it - seem to work
[19:00] <kristian-aalborg> I was a bit worried about an obsolete mail package, I was thinking about security
[20:10] <kristian-aalborg> can I start nano with a custom nanorc file?
[20:12] <bioterror> you can edit your .nanorc
[20:13] <kristian-aalborg> yes, but I have several uses for nano, and thus several needs for the setup
[20:13] <kristian-aalborg> so something like "nano - f mycustomnanorc" is what I'm looking for
[20:16] <charlie-tca> yes, if I recall correctly, you can speific it
[20:17] <charlie-tca> hm, well, specify it, anyway
[20:17] <kristian-aalborg> hi charlie-tca - do you remember how?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> I think by setting the operating directly with the different file in it, nano -o <dir>, it will automatically use the file in that dir
[20:19] <charlie-tca> You can also split it up using different name.nanorc files in ~/.nano
[20:20] <charlie-tca> and point to them using the .nano file itself. It then uses the correct settings for the type of file
[20:20] <jdmcclung> When I run dhclient wlan0  it runs DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to <IP_ADDRESS> but that is not correct. How do I get it to check <IP_ADDRESS>?
[20:21] <charlie-tca> kristian-aalborg: for example, my ~/.nanorc file specifies where the different name.nanorc files are, so it uses them automatically
[20:21] <kristian-aalborg> charlie-tca: pastebin, please?
[20:22] <charlie-tca> ~/.nanorc copied from /etc/nanorc
[20:23] <charlie-tca> http://paste.ubuntu.com/573640
[20:23] <charlie-tca> see the last lines
[20:24] <charlie-tca> starting about 330
[20:26] <charlie-tca> and see http://paste.ubuntu.com/573641 for the ~/.nano/python.nanorc     example
[20:27] <charlie-tca> nano will automatically use what is in that for any python file I edit
[20:28] <kristian-aalborg> brilliant
[20:29] <charlie-tca> It gets a little confusing with both ~/.nano file and directory, though
[20:29] <kristian-aalborg> fortran.nanorc!!
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I don't have that one
[20:29] <charlie-tca> but you can create it, as long as you tell nano about it
[20:31] <kristian-aalborg> I have it in /usr/share/nano
[20:31] <kristian-aalborg> charlie-tca: I'm building the World's greates text editor, anno 1983 with nano ;)
[20:32] <kristian-aalborg> *greatest
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Great! as long as nano's rc file can find it
[20:32] <charlie-tca> I use nano all the time from the command line. It is one really nice, easy editor
[20:32] <kristian-aalborg> it's really good for something lean - no disrespect to vim,  emacs etc/ the gui things
[20:33] <charlie-tca> I have never learned their odd keypresses
[20:33] <charlie-tca> and I have done their tutorials, every year of two, even
[20:33] <bioterror> when you deal with real servers, you have to deal with vi
[20:34] <charlie-tca> no, actually, I don't
[20:34] <charlie-tca> I can use nano because it works for me
[20:35] <geirha> Well, nano isn't very standard though. You'll mostly just find it on linux systems.
[20:35] <geirha> vi is on virtually any unix and unix-like system out there, so it's useful to know.
[20:36] <charlie-tca> Like I said, I can use both vi and emacs and vim, I just can't remember all the odd keys for them. Nano has a very nice menu on the bottom that I can use
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> I'm going to edit .txt files - should be standard enough
[20:39] <geirha> Yeah, I used nano for a long time too, until I decided to go through vimtutor. Never looked back. :)
[20:39] <charlie-tca> I went through vimtutor, emacs tutor, etc, but still prefer nano
[20:40] <charlie-tca> Glad we have choices, too! :-)
[20:40] <geirha> On linux, yes. On UNIX, choices are hard ;)
[20:42] <geirha> I've had the "pleasure" of spending time with Solaris. It really helps you learn the hell of portability. :)
[20:59] <kristian-aalborg> charlie-tca: hmm, I get errors - ""Command line "include" not allowed in included file""
[21:00] <kristian-aalborg> I made a /usr/share/nano/txt.nanorc and copied my .nanorc there - same problem
[21:01] <charlie-tca> I think you have to move things to /home/USER/.nano for the NAME.nanorc files
[21:01] <charlie-tca> I don't think nano allows them to be anywhere else
[21:02] <charlie-tca> I could be wrong, though
[21:04] <charlie-tca> You did not put "include... " in the NAME.nanorc, did you?
[21:04] <charlie-tca> It can only be used in .nanorc for the user or /etc/nanorc
[21:05] <kristian-aalborg> ah
[21:05] <kristian-aalborg> I just copied my own .nanorc
[21:09] <kristian-aalborg> charlie-tca: same for "set" command, it seems?
[21:11] <charlie-tca> could be, since it is used to set the environment variables. Those are normally needed for everything, where the individual files are used to specify changes for those type of documents
[21:12] <kristian-aalborg> so, that stuff goes in an alias
[21:12] <kristian-aalborg> it's complicated to keep it simple ;)
[21:22] <kristian-aalborg> charlie-tca: won't work
[21:22] <kristian-aalborg> the error messages are gone, since I commented out the "wrong" commands
[21:22] <charlie-tca> Don't know, then
[21:23] <kristian-aalborg> now, when I do "nano /home/kristian/foo.txt " I get a new file each time
[21:25] <aveilleux> I'm having a problem with the Ubuntu Alternate CD (10.10). I'm using the Alternate CD because I want a CLI install, but it's refusing to let me install without Internet access. What's the point of the CD if you can't install an isolated system? I'd use the Netboot CD if I wanted to download components.
[21:26] <aveilleux> I was planning to use ndiswrapper for the wireless card once the system is already installed, but I can't even get that far.
[21:28] <charlie-tca> If you unplug the internet cable, it won't install?
[21:28] <charlie-tca> If it finds a cable or wireless connection, yes, it will use it
[21:29] <aveilleux> I don't have an available network connection. I'm not near a wired router and, as I mentioned, the wireless card requires ndiswrapper.
[21:33] <kristian-aalborg> http://pastebin.com/kd4Jz2EK this is my .bash_aliases ... please tell me where the last line fails, I'm going nuts!
[21:40] <kristian-aalborg> ah, it was a typo somewhere... I typed it up again and it worked ;)
[21:40] <charlie-tca> good, because I can't find what is wrong with it either
[21:40] <NRWlion> kristian-aalborg, good to hear ^^
[21:41] <johnny77> Can I use a live CD to install programs onto my HD?
[21:43] <seidos> i don't know, never tried it
[21:44] <seidos> you can install packages from a live cd, but not while booted into a live cd johnny77
[21:44] <seidos> johnny77: you want synaptic package manager i believe
[21:44] <charlie-tca> johnny77: yes, enable it in software sources, and it will use it
[21:46] <kristian-aalborg> I just can't get the word wrapping to work
[21:46] <kristian-aalborg> I need nano to be only "this wide", not allowing me to type beyond that
[21:46] <s-fox> =)
[21:47] <NRWlion> hey s-fox thx for your kind mail
[21:48] <s-fox> Hello NRWlion ,  no, thank you for taking the time to email us =)  It is good to meet you.
[21:51] <charlie-tca> kristian-aalborg: see the lines around 96 in my .nanorc file, http://paste.ubuntu.com/573640
[21:51] <NRWlion> afk
[21:51] <charlie-tca> change that -8 to different numbers until you find the right one, since it is line length minus the number
[21:52] <charlie-tca> That will force a specific line length, it is just hard to figure out
[21:56] <kristian-aalborg> this is the core of the problem, actually - I only want this when editing specific files (texts, that is)
[22:00] <kristian-aalborg> ah, so I start it with the command line, and "r -120" seems ok
[22:02] <NRWlion> back
[22:06] <NRWlion> s-fox, now you have a chance to get to know me a little more ;)
[22:06] <s-fox> Yes, though I think this is better continued in the off topic channel. =)
[22:23] <kristian-aalborg> at long last, I have something tolerable - thanks for helping out, y'all!
[22:30] <NRWlion> good night every1"


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[00:52] <locodir-user> sorry for that.. :)
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