[14:53] <LeMike> hello. I am not good enough with servers so I have a question. Is it correct, that HTTP (TCP) always allows SNI? So would it be possible to multiplex the HTTP-Port and divide SSH-Logins by their hostname (due to incoming SNI)?
[15:18] <tomreyn> LeMike: so... SNI (server name indication) is an extension to the TLS (transport layer security) transport encryption. TLS can be wrapped around any TCP based application protocol, such as HTTP. For it to be useful, all of the application protocol, server and client implementation, need to be modified to be able to communiacte with this TLS extension (SNI). to my knowledge thia has only been done for HTTP so far.
[15:20] <tomreyn> i.e. you can probably not wrap SSH into TLS + SNI, using the SNI hostname as part of the SSH authentication, unless you also modify the SSH protocol and server and client implementations.
[15:20] <tomreyn> maybe you should discuss where you're coming from / what your actual goal is.
[15:23] <patdk-lap2> heh?
[15:23] <patdk-lap2> didn't think ssh actually used ssl/tls
[15:29] <tomreyn> it doesn't, except for openvpn functionality, i think
[15:30] <tomreyn> but i think lemike meant to wrap ssh in https/tls somehow
[15:33] <LeMike> yee tomreyn . I was hoping for some solution to redirect SSH Logins to their endpoints. I have one "proxy" which should handle the redirects but the SSH protocol gives me nothing usable to distinguish the clients. Except for their ssh-key but this is a thing I should not use.
[15:34] <patdk-lap2> openvpn!=openssh
[15:36] <tomreyn> LeMike: use ipv6 or NAT
[15:39] <LeMike> oh okay. can you please explain this a bit tomreyn ? I am weak at networking and resolving this issue. Just about to learn managing server ;) What has IPv6 and NAT that will help here?
[15:40] <LeMike> I think I only have one IPv6 to the server
[15:58] <tomreyn> LeMike: you have just oine server? you were referring to multiple "endpoints", though?
[15:59] <LeMike> the endpoints are docker container within that server, tomreyn.
[15:59] <tomreyn> oh, and they all run on the same ip address?
[16:01] <tomreyn> isnt docker meant to run just one task within a container as non root user? setting up ssh access to those containers makes me think you want to use those as a cheap and insecure virtualization replacement.
[16:04] <tomreyn> if you plan to do actual virtualization then most providerrs will allocate / route several ipv6 to you for free.
[16:52] <compdoc> my server has a bunch of ram disks created somehow. how can I find whats using them, or remove them:  Disk /dev/ram1
[17:18] <XinZhao> compdoc; set your server on fire with petrol
[17:19] <XinZhao> oops sorry wrong window
[17:19] <compdoc> can I use regular petro, or do I need premium?
[17:20] <XinZhao> crude oil would be best
[17:32] <OerHeks> compdoc, sounds like GPT to me, reading with fdisk
[17:32] <OerHeks> try parted -l
[18:03] <jrwren> LeMike: there is no solution for that. You can use different ports than 22 in the host and map them to 22 in the container.
[21:54] <antonispgs> hey guys
[21:54] <antonispgs> 2TB, 16GB RAM how much swap and how big of a / directory would you suggest?
[21:57] <jrwren> zero swap partition (or accept default, because its a hassle to do in installer) and install swapfile later to allow swapping as needed.  everything in /, no other partitions,  unless you tell us what you will be doing. ;]
[22:00] <antonispgs> intended as a seedbox, there is a control panel that does the original installation, i have the option to remove the /home directory and has 512MB of swap by default. not to be shared
[22:01] <jrwren> if it is from a VPS reseller who specializes in seedboxes, I'd use their defaults.
[22:02] <antonispgs> yea makes sense
[22:02] <antonispgs> thats what i thought, i see the old double the ram rule is no longer suggested
[22:09] <jrwren> no, I think that has not been true for a LONG time.
[22:54] <LaserAllan> anyone in here any familiar with postfix and smtp?
[22:59] <JanC> LaserAllan: there are several people who use it, but you better ask whatever question you have
[23:00] <LaserAllan> JanC: ok so i ahve setup my own mailserver and I seem to have some issues with my xymon monitoring and fail2ban to send stuff to my new email. not sure what logs to look through
[23:02] <LaserAllan> JanC: I am not sure where to look, what log files to check, I have checked mail.log and the email in question seems to have been processed but I am not sure what has happened to it after that
[23:02] <JanC> postfix normally logs to /var/log/mail.log & /var/log/mail.err
[23:02] <LaserAllan> JanC: Lemme check mail.err
[23:03] <LaserAllan> the err log has no activity since lik 6-7 hours back
[23:03] <JanC> if mail.log says that it was processed correctly you should check where it sends it too?
[23:08] <LaserAllan> it sends it to the correct domain but i cannot see it in thunderbird
[23:09] <JanC> can you check the logs on the mail server for that other domain?
[23:10] <LaserAllan> Hmm, do I have to setuip a myssql user for the failbvan mailing?
[23:10] <LaserAllan> they Ive done it this far is having it mail my MS mail and the just forward it to my other email but its not a good solution
[23:11] <JanC> MS mail?
[23:11] <LaserAllan> Microsoft
[23:11] <JanC> as in live.com/hotmail stuff?
[23:11] <LaserAllan> Yes
[23:11] <LaserAllan> but i now want it to you know be like "fail2ban" atmy domain
[23:11] <JanC> make sure the domain you use in the From: allows sending mail from your server...
[23:12] <LaserAllan> Well it should since theyre both on the same server, i have tried sending to other emails and its worked so far
[23:13] <JanC> Microsoft probably requires you to set up SPF and/or DKIM
[23:13] <LaserAllan> Well the reason I wanna change is so i dont hav eto deal with Microsoft anymore
[23:14] <LaserAllan> I have my domain emial and i want fail2ban to use that instead
[23:14] <LaserAllan> ill give you an example of the log i found
[23:14] <JanC> if you have your own mail server, send it directly to that?
[23:15] <LaserAllan> thats what Ive done but it doesnt show up in the inbox :)
[23:16] <LaserAllan> ah
[23:16] <LaserAllan> just found the error
[23:16] <LaserAllan> I am stupid sometimes
[23:16] <LaserAllan> I had written "se" instead of com
[23:16] <LaserAllan> not weird that it doesnt work
[23:16] <JanC> LOL
[23:16] <LaserAllan> :D
[23:16] <JanC> PEBKAC
[23:16] <LaserAllan> I have just started to use Thunderbird
[23:16] <LaserAllan> its really neat to be honest
[23:17] <JanC> I use Evolution, because Thunderbird lacks/lacked some features
[23:17] <LaserAllan> Interesting
[23:17] <JanC> at least back when I last used it  :)
[23:17] <LaserAllan> Evolution you say?
[23:17] <LaserAllan> What features?
[23:19] <JanC> filtering on mailing lists & such (IIRC Thunderbird now supports it somewhat with an addon, but still), bugs in the plain text editor, etc.
[23:19] <LaserAllan> damn
[23:19] <LaserAllan> Maybe i should look at Evolution
[23:19] <JanC> but that was really years ago  :)
[23:19] <LaserAllan> hmm
[23:20] <LaserAllan> since my fail2ban is also ran on the same server as the mailserver it should take miliseconds for the mail to arrive
[23:20] <JanC> at least 8-10 years ago
[23:20] <LaserAllan> weird
[23:20] <LaserAllan> damn:P
[23:20] <JanC> mail clients often only check for mail every 5min or so
[23:21] <LaserAllan> lemme see if i can do a manual refresh
[23:21] <JanC> (or every 15min or whatever you set it to)
[23:23] <JanC> (some IMAP servers & IMAP clients also support a push protocol, but that only works if both support it)
[23:23] <LaserAllan> hmm
[23:23] <LaserAllan> It seems like it works now
[23:24] <LaserAllan> not sure though since when restarting fail2ban i usually get an email with it
[23:24] <JanC> cool, so problem solved  \o/
[23:24] <JanC> oh  :)
[23:24] <LaserAllan> I acutally dont know since ive not gotten the "start" mail its only sent the ips its banned:S
[23:24] <LaserAllan> hmm
[23:24] <JanC> ban yourself?  ;)
[23:24] <JanC> (don't!)
[23:26] <LaserAllan> I guess i could or just use a vpn ip and fix it that wau
[23:26] <LaserAllan> "way
[23:28] <LaserAllan> ok
[23:28] <LaserAllan> just banned myself with an ip from romania
[23:30] <LaserAllan> ok
[23:30] <LaserAllan> fail2ban hasn't sent me anything just yet
[23:30] <LaserAllan> hmm
[23:30] <LaserAllan> will see if it happens soon then
[23:34] <LaserAllan> JanC: Well this is interesting but also abit frustrating it seems to not have sent an email about the ban it should have done
[23:34] <LaserAllan> the ban is done but the actual email doesn't show up in mail.log
[23:42] <LaserAllan> JanC: Hmm
[23:42] <LaserAllan> The log seems to have sent another fail2ban email but its showed up in the inbox for some weird reason


[00:00] <LjL> Tm_T: well neither for what i'm concerned, asking "what X do y'all use" has never been among my favorite questions
[00:07] <ubotu> Slart called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[00:10] <Tm_T> LjL: true, but it far less rude than poking peoples pockets
[01:02] <FloodBot1> Synced to #ubuntu, 1188 users present
[01:44] <FloodBot1> Synced to #ubuntu, 1183 users present
[02:08] <Pici> Flood cat is flooding
[02:11] <PriceChild> Pici, ?
[02:29] <ubotu> scguy318 called the ops in #ubuntu (HeLLoMoTo)
[02:30] <stdin> spammed #k too
[02:34] <LjL> and #gentoo, and probably just about everything else
[02:34] <LjL> *shrug*
[02:34] <stdin> yeah and #kde
[02:40] <LjL> ngggg
[02:41] <LjL> why can't people just see that someone called "whiteboy" asking why Linux is better than Windows and misspelling Linux in two different ways in the same sentence *is a troll* and shouldn't be fed
[03:14] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (opteroN)
[04:36] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[04:38] <tritium> What's with all the spam flooding this channel from floodbots?
[04:39] <TheSheep> that's what they are for, flooding :D
[04:39] <tritium> I guess so...
[04:40] <nalioth> c'mon folks.  this is 'testing' phase
[04:40] <nalioth> most of these messages will disappear when they're production ready
[04:40] <TheSheep> tritium: you could perhaps ignore mode changes...
[04:41] <tritium> That's good information to know (now), nalioth.
[04:42] <nalioth> tritium: this has been going on for weeks now
[04:42] <nalioth> :|
[04:42] <tritium> Yes, but the information you gave is new.
[04:42] <FloodBot2> !netsplit
[04:54] <crdlb> < cabrioleur> dominion, use alien << terrible advice ftl :/
[08:15] <cool> this  info is way old " Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter" Please update it thanks
[08:15] <cool> !mount
[08:15] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[08:40] <Tm_T> oh boy
[08:41] <Tm_T> 09:12 #ubuntu-offtopic: < n00dl3> oh god an op nazi
[08:53] <Tm_T> I'm slowly begin to hate #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:55] <stdin> slowly?
[08:55] <stdin> didn't take me that long
[08:56] <Tm_T> well you know, I don't follow it
[08:56] <stdin> I don't much, just keep getting a load of highlights
[09:04] <Tm_T> yup
[09:05] <Tm_T> drawback of having "nazi" in hilight
[09:05] <stdin> yeah
[10:03] <J-_> Why is there a lack of, or rather - no ops/encorcement in #ubuntu-offtopic. It's becoming not so family-friendly, and people are tending to take advantage of that?
[10:06] <Tm_T> feel free to call !ops | reason when needed
[10:07]  * Hobbsee notes that people insist on taking it non-family-friendly directions a lot of the time
[10:07] <Hobbsee> and tehn whine when they get kickbanned.
[10:12] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: latter can be ignored
[10:12] <Hobbsee> well, of course
[10:12] <Tm_T> :)
[10:13] <Tm_T> no, I wasn't telling how to do, just pointing out that we do agree on this
[10:14] <J-_> Well, it's not really even that. the mainstream has taken over because of popularity.  It's good for Ubuntu, for being so popular but just the lack of ops doing good deeds in the channel for the minority trying to keep the policy intact such as myself and others, then, usually getting "lol", or a factoid thrown back at you saying you're abusing the bot. Being a channel I am most active in, it sucks. I wish the old #ubuntu-offtopic was still around
[10:15] <Tm_T> J-_: unfortunately I don't have powers to help
[10:16] <Tm_T> J-_: just call ops when needed, if still doesn't help, I believe IRC Council would like to check that
[10:16] <J-_> It's not really a current situation right now, it's ongoing hehe
[10:16] <Hobbsee> nalioth: fix it please.
[10:16] <Tm_T> :p
[10:17] <Hobbsee> seveas isnt here, nad that's supposed to have the council there on it.
[10:44] <Tm_T> meh
[10:45] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: like to have some humour?
[10:45] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: hm?
[10:45] <Tm_T> hold on =)
[10:46] <Tm_T> can I flood a bit?
[10:46] <Gary> i'd like to be cheered up too
[10:46] <Tm_T> I take that as a yes
[10:46] <Tm_T> 1240 < mii> ...drop msn :/
[10:46] <Tm_T> 1240 < Tm_T> mii: be silent
[10:46] <Tm_T> 1240 < mii> :(
[10:46] <Tm_T> 1241 < d1zzy> mii: lol, you know of anything related to my question or just the random rant about MS?
[10:46] <Tm_T> 1241 < mii> Tm_T: let me in ubuntu ops
[10:46] <Tm_T> 1241 < Tm_T> mii: I should do that because...
[10:46] <Tm_T> 1241 < mii> d1zzy: sorry i dont speak geek language,im just a beginner in all
[10:46] <Tm_T> 1242 < mii> Tm_T: to plead for my mistakes and be given another chance,because i'm notgetting true to regulate my problems with linux by my self
[10:46] <Tm_T> 1243 < Tm_T> mii: you had that chance 2 k-lines and >20 bans ago
[10:46] <Tm_T> (from #kopete)
[10:47] <Tm_T> mii aka wii aka nicio aka xp_killer
[10:50] <jussi01> Tm_T: heh, sounds like a real fu person.... sigh
[10:50] <Hobbsee> hah.  nice
[10:50] <Tm_T> jussi01: he's flaming around channels I don't have magical powers
[10:51] <jussi01> Tm_T: well if he dares poke his head in #ubuntustudio ....
[10:51] <Tm_T> jussi01: I wonder if he isn't already banned
[10:52] <jussi01> Tm_T: probably - but I havent done it, and I daresay none of the other ops in there have...
[10:52] <Tm_T> meh
[10:53] <jussi01> Tm_T: there are only 3 other ops in there afaik. we dont get much trouble, thankfully
[10:53] <Tm_T> ooh, this is getting interesting
[10:53] <jussi01> Tm_T: where?
[10:54] <Tm_T> 1251 < mii> Tm_T: your right wrong place to discus this,let me discus this in ubuntu ops
[10:54] <Tm_T> 1251 < Tm_T> mii: I repeat, this is totally wrong place to this discussion
[10:54] <Tm_T> 1251 < Bille> mii: do you like being in #kopete?
[10:54] <Tm_T> 1252 < mii> Bille: no dont like kopete
[10:54] <Tm_T> 1252 < mii> Bille: yes because it's there i sopose to ask for help if i cant find or solve it
[10:55]  * jussi01 hugs Tm_T
[10:55] <Tm_T> I hope in heterosexual, friendly way
[10:56] <jussi01> Tm_T: absolutely
[10:56] <Tm_T> &me hugs jussi01 back
[10:56] <Tm_T> whops
[10:56] <jussi01> hehe
[10:56] <Tm_T> anyway, why all this friendly hugging?
[10:56] <jussi01> Tm_T: 7 not 6 ... :P
[10:57] <Tm_T> oh, right, thanks
[10:58] <jussi01> Tm_T: friendly hugs are great when you are being abused :P
[10:58] <Tm_T> I'm not being abused, I'm bein humoured!
[10:59] <jussi01> heheehe.. i suppose so
[10:59] <Tm_T> that reminds me...
[11:00] <Tm_T> jussi01: http://forums.team-gizka.org/viewtopic.php?p=38583#38583
[11:02] <jussi01> Tm_T: killer... nice quote
[11:03] <Tm_T> ...and those who know, Pompeii hasn't been around for ~2 000 years ;)
[11:04] <Tm_T> s/know/dont\'t\ know/
[11:54] <PriceChild> LjL, are the floodbots meant to be constantly talking now in unregged?
[12:19] <FloodBot3> WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit
[12:41] <PriceChild> What did the floodbots do? cope?
[12:41] <Pici> Perhaps they have netsplit detection like irssi does
[12:42] <Amaranth> they must have
[12:42] <Amaranth> or they lag behind enough to ride it out
[12:43] <mc44> I don't think they noticed
[12:43] <Pici> You would say that
[12:45] <PriceChild> i guess they did raise the limit
[13:39] <FloodBot3> WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit
[14:03] <LjL> uh wait we actually went below 1000 users without any split or attack tonight?
[14:03] <LjL> i thought 1000 was a safe threshold
[14:06] <Gary> it's only recently it's been above 1000 most of the time
[14:07] <Gary> I remember it being approx 800-900
[14:08] <LjL> well the times of the day i'm logged in it's 1100-1200 since... feisty at least
[14:08] <LjL> debugcount
[14:08] <FloodBot3> 1199 users in #ubuntu - limit at 1208
[14:10] <LjL> debugcount
[14:10] <FloodBot3> 1196 users in #ubuntu - limit at 1208
[14:10] <Gary> it cannot count either :p
[14:10] <Gary> 1183 in #ubuntu surely?
[14:10] <Pici> verily
[14:11] <LjL> yeah
[14:11] <LjL> but you haven't seen the other two bots
[14:11] <LjL> [15:10:11] <LjL> debugcount
[14:11] <LjL> [15:10:12] <FloodBot2> 157 users in #ubuntu - limit at 1000
[14:11] <LjL> [15:10:12] <FloodBot1> 157 users in #ubuntu - limit at 1000
[14:11] <LjL> [15:10:12] <FloodBot3> 1196 users in #ubuntu - limit at 1208
[14:11] <LjL> there was a netsplit earlier, they haven't quit recovered correctly it would seem
[14:11] <Pici> We were wondering earlier how they handled the netsplit
[14:12] <LjL> badly, it seems apparent
[14:12] <Gary> awww
[14:12] <LjL> they didn't set -l to begin with, because they believed they were already in emergency mode
[14:12] <LjL> (bot1 and bot2 did, but bot3 with a different version of the code didn't, and it was opped)
[14:12] <LjL> now they didn't even count the users right
[14:13] <LjL> i'll have to check the logs very carefully... later though. i think there's a regexp acting up anyway
[14:14] <FloodBot1> Synced to #ubuntu, 1172 users present
[14:14] <LjL> debugcount
[14:14] <FloodBot1> 1173 users in #ubuntu - limit at 1000
[14:14] <FloodBot3> 1186 users in #ubuntu - limit at 1208
[14:14] <FloodBot2> 1173 users in #ubuntu - limit at 1000
[14:14] <LjL> debugrejoin
[14:14] <FloodBot1> Simulating a rejoin from netsplit due to debug command
[14:14] <FloodBot2> Simulating a rejoin from netsplit due to debug command
[14:14] <FloodBot1> Synced to #ubuntu, 1173 users present
[14:14] <FloodBot3> Simulating a rejoin from netsplit due to debug command
[14:14] <FloodBot3> Synced to #ubuntu, 1173 users present
[14:14] <FloodBot2> Synced to #ubuntu, 1173 users present
[14:15] <LjL> (reverted to older version)
 Hey, how much would it cost to get someone to find me a cost-free downloadable Hentai date sim for my mac?
[14:21] <Gary> in #ubuntu
[14:21] <Pici> saw it
[14:21] <LjL> costs a ban
[14:22] <Gary> some people, tsk
[14:27] <Pici> os2mac: How can we help you today?
[14:45] <os2mac> I'm OK atm. thanks for asking though... I'm actually in here just waiting to help if I can.
[14:46] <Pici> os2mac: Help with what? This isnt a support channe;/
[14:46] <Pici> l
[14:47] <os2mac> I understand that.
[16:16] <Pici> Ximal sets of my bad mojo radar
[16:16] <Tm_T> ?
[16:17] <Tm_T> os2mac: yes?
[16:28] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-motu, persia said: ubotu: NBS is Some packages are no longer built from source as a result of various transitions.  The reverse dependencies of these packages require an update.  The current tracking list is available from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/
[16:31] <Seeker`> "reverse dependencies"?
[16:31] <Pici> sure
[16:32] <Pici> Package A depends on Package B, but B is no longer being built from source. Therefore A needs to be updated.
[16:33] <Pici> A is a reverse dependency of B
[16:34] <Pici> apt-cache rdepends <package> too :)
[16:35] <PriceChild> !nbs
[16:35] <ubotu> Some packages are no longer built from source as a result of various transitions.  The reverse dependencies of these packages require an update.  The current tracking list is available from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/
[17:05] <PriceChild> !mode
[17:05] <ubotu> There are many different channel and user modes on Freenode (see !freenode). Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[18:40] <effie_jayx> god...
[18:41] <effie_jayx> I hate trolls that don't troll enough to ban
[18:45] <Pici> Agreed.
[18:46] <effie_jayx> :D
[18:46] <effie_jayx> he got bored and left
[18:46]  * effie_jayx hops on one leg
[18:49] <n33dhelp> please, i seem to be banned from #ubuntu, and i don't understand why
[18:51] <Pici> n33dhelp: hold on, let us take a look at our logs
[18:53] <Pici> n33dhelp: Does anyone else use your connection?
[19:04] <n33dhelp> sry, Pici, afk
[19:04] <n33dhelp> i actually did have my wireless network unsecured for a long time
[19:05] <n33dhelp> the reason i secured it was because i saw unknown computers using it :p
[19:05] <n33dhelp> join #debian
[19:05] <n33dhelp> woops.
[19:19] <Pici> n33dhelp: The fact is, after reviewing the logs a bit further, its very peculiar that someone leeching your connection happened to join #ubuntu and act inapropirately.
[19:25] <Pici> n33dhelp: Our usual policy is to require the person who orginally created the ban be the one who lifts it, and I might have been willing to bend this if this was a trivial issue: but it isn't.  You can come back later and see if that person (Seveas) is around, but he hasn't been on for about a week now (hes a busy guy).
[19:30] <Pici> hm. I wonder if he read that or not.
[19:32] <ompaul> I think he did
[19:32] <Journeyman> can I be tested for this so called exploit
[19:32] <ompaul> it is real
[19:32] <Journeyman> would be nice if the exploit was provided, rather than just saying how to fix it
[19:33]  * ompaul checks
[19:33] <Journeyman> you have to be kidding me
[19:34] <ompaul> was that the one you fell to
[19:34] <Journeyman> I didn't fall to any
[19:34] <Journeyman> I was just redirected to a channel
[19:34] <ompaul> let me check then
[19:34]  * ompaul goes to find it
[19:34] <Journeyman> it said to join this channel to test
[19:34] <Journeyman> I would like to know how exactly they know I am effected
[19:35] <ompaul> how about you quit at the same time as others
[19:35] <ompaul> lets look and see back in a mo
[19:36] <ompaul> the easy way for me to find it is gone
[19:36] <Journeyman> i am forced to join #ubuntu-read-topic
[19:36] <ompaul> back in a moment
[19:36] <Journeyman> righto
[19:37] <Journeyman> I have a feeling it may be a false positive
[19:45] <ompaul> * ompaul removes ban on Journeyman!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic
[19:45] <Journeyman> woohoo
[19:45] <ompaul> Journeyman, it looks like it was
[19:45] <Journeyman> thanks
[19:45] <Journeyman> yeah that exploit is pretty old
[19:45] <ompaul> you went in the middle of a flood of quits
[19:45] <Journeyman> i doubt I would be effected
[19:45] <ompaul> if you see one hang on for 60 seconds
[19:45] <crdlb> there was a different quit message (Success)
[19:45] <ompaul> yeap
[19:45] <crdlb> what does that mean?
[19:46] <ompaul> crdlb, it means he quit himselff
[19:46] <ompaul>  as in /quit success from the client
[19:46] <ompaul> Journeyman, so ehh if you see one of those exploits please sit tight for a min or two - just until the dust settles
[19:47] <ompaul> saves that kind of stuff
[19:47] <Journeyman> right on
[20:49] <FloodBot3> !ops | Mass join
[21:06] <Seeker`> what triggered that mass join?
[21:22] <ubotu> pochu called the ops in #ubuntu-desktop ()
[21:36] <jdong> was that toilet_paper again in -desktop?
[22:30] <Cpudan80> Hello Hello
[22:30] <Cpudan80> Can you guys add this as a factoid: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=581075
[22:30] <Cpudan80> Maybe under like ehh "no boot screen laptop"
[23:00] <LjL> debugcount
[23:00] <FloodBot3> 1221 users in #ubuntu - limit at 1236
[23:00] <LjL> debugcount
[23:00] <FloodBot3> 1222 users in #ubuntu - limit at 1236
[23:01] <Mez> @lart LjL
[23:05] <LjL> !brokenusplash is <reply> Supported screen resolutions are sometimes detected incorrectly, causing the splash screen to not appear and slowing down boot. Edit /etc/usplash.conf and change "xres" and "yres" to a resolution that your graphics system certainly supports, then run « sudo update-usplash-theme usplash-theme-ubuntu »
[23:05] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[23:05] <LjL> Cpudan80: ^
[23:05] <Cpudan80> LjL: Woohoo
[23:09] <Cpudan80> thanks
[23:45] <ubotu> choudesh called the ops in #ubuntu (SuperFart)
[23:46] <LjL> PM: [00:46:31] <SuperFart> WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEM
[23:46] <Seeker`> nice
[23:46] <jdong> ha
[23:46] <LjL> [00:46:49] <SuperFart> I NEED HELP WITH UBUNTU AND YOU KICK BANN ME FOR NO REASON, YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO BE ALIVE
[23:47] <LjL> i kind of think he doesn't deserve to be unbanned in the next year, on the other hand.
[23:47] <mc44> CAPS MEANS BUSINESS
[23:47] <LjL> now he's flooding me, sigh
[23:48] <somerville32> ubotu: contribute-#xubuntu is <reply> To contribute and help out with Xubuntu see: http://xubuntu.org/devel and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[23:49] <somerville32> What is wrong with that syntax?
[23:49] <LjL> !contribute-#xubuntu is <reply> To contribute and help out with Xubuntu see: http://xubuntu.org/devel and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[23:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[23:49] <LjL> uhm
[23:49] <somerville32> I get: <ubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[23:49] <LjL> nothing... *shrug*. somerville32, try with "!no x is y" next time, sometimes using "!no" gets around some of its oddities
[23:50] <somerville32> I didn't think that contribute-#xubuntu existed
[23:50] <LjL> somerville32: no, it doesn't, still using !no gets around some regex parsing oddities.
[23:51] <somerville32> oh, okay.
[23:51] <Seeker`> woo for functionality that noone understands fully :D
[23:51] <LjL> somerville32: try     test-#xubuntu is <reply> To contribute and help out with Xubuntu see: http://xubuntu.org/devel and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[23:51] <LjL> somerville32: and then try    no test-#xubuntu is <reply> To contribute and help out with Xubuntu see: http://xubuntu.org/devel and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[23:51] <somerville32> test-#xubuntu is <reply> To contribute and help out with Xubuntu see: http://xubuntu.org/devel and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[23:51] <somerville32> !test-#xubuntu is <reply> To contribute and help out with Xubuntu see: http://xubuntu.org/devel and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[23:51] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, somerville32 said: !test-#xubuntu is <reply> To contribute and help out with Xubuntu see: http://xubuntu.org/devel and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[23:51] <LjL> somerville32: try with "ubotu: " like you did above
[23:52] <somerville32> ubotu: test-#xubuntu is <reply> To contribute and help out with Xubuntu see: http://xubuntu.org/devel and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[23:52] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, somerville32 said: ubotu: test-#xubuntu is <reply> To contribute and help out with Xubuntu see: http://xubuntu.org/devel and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[23:52] <LjL> ok i'm clueless
[23:52]  * somerville32 pats ubotu on the head... with a shovel.
[23:53] <LjL> poor bot, he just hates regexps, but we all do :)
[23:55]  * Seeker` tried to write a HTML regex
[23:55] <Seeker`> that wasn't fun


[06:41] <Vivekananda> hi everyone e got lubuntu  12.04 lts and have gecko-media player. I cannot play xvid videos on firefox and it asks me to download plugin. What do I do
[13:43] <okabi> The other day after doing a software update a dialog box appeared ascking me if I wanted to upgrade to Lubuntu 13.04
[13:44] <okabi> How much free space would I need for an upgrade?
[14:06] <phillw> okabi: I've never been asked that before!... having a dig around, it is safest to allow for the size of the ISO as it needs to download all the new stuff before it can start replacing the old stuff with them.
[14:08] <okabi> Oh shoot then.
[14:09] <okabi> I've only got so much space, and don't know how much I can clear out...
[14:09] <okabi> Running from a usb drive lol
[14:13] <phillw> yes, the guy who asked was running from a removable device.
[14:15] <okabi> Lmao.
[14:15] <okabi> Hey now, it's an 8 gig.
[14:16] <phillw> how much room do you have on / ?
[14:17] <okabi> 137 mbs after the update I just did.
[14:17] <okabi> Before I had 470 mb.
[14:17] <phillw> okabi: running
[14:17] <phillw> sudo apt-get clean
[14:17] <phillw> will clear out all the stored archives in your cache, that should increase the free space by a fair margin.
[14:18] <okabi> I'm aware.
[14:18] <okabi> But thank you anyway. It'll be useful to anyone readding who doesn't know.
[14:18] <phillw> also remove all the old kernels.
[14:18] <okabi> OH yes, I've been wondering about those
[14:19] <phillw> they are disk eating monsters!
[14:19] <okabi> I suspected... how do I remove them?
[14:20] <phillw> okabi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels
[14:21] <okabi> Thanks phillw
[16:59] <Yorvyk> phillw: this is your 1 hour notice of the manual meeting
[17:01] <Yorvyk> Not sure where this meeting is though :/
[17:06] <phillw> Yorvyk: should be in #ubuntu-meeting
[20:33] <ospi3> hello:) how do i backup all emails as simple text files (one email one file)?
[21:48] <hutch_> Hello
[21:49] <holstein> o/
[21:49] <hutch_> \O
[21:51] <hutch_> I've installed Lubuntu as I want to see if it will speed up things on my laptop. So far so good but why is XChat not pre-installed?
[21:52] <Unit193> Nope, but easy to install.
[21:53] <holstein> xchat is not installed by default because its not a default appication included with lubuntu
[21:53] <holstein> !infor xchat
[21:53] <holstein> !info xchat
[21:54] <holstein> sudo apt-get install xchat or install from any package manager you choose
[21:55] <Unit193> hutch_: Space issues, trying to cut back.  Figure the people that want it can pretty easily install.
[21:55] <hutch_> Pity as there are no obvious support apps for noobs. Though I know it has to leave out lots of things to stay lightweight
[21:56] <Unit193> pidgin technically can handle irc, so that's mainly why.
[21:56] <hutch_> Not thinking of myself I've been windows free for 5yrs
[21:56] <hutch_> And love LXDE/Lubuntu
[21:57] <hutch_> Does lubuntu have its own forum btw?
[21:57] <holstein> hutch_: lubuntu *is* ubuntu.. so the forums work for it as well.. and there are specific sections
[21:58] <hutch_> np
[21:58] <Unit193> Either a section or tag, don't remember which is used.
[21:58] <Stephen_Noob> When I run aplay -l it doesn't show my USB sound card (PCM2902)
[21:58] <Stephen_Noob> Been trying to configure it but too noob.
[21:58] <hutch_> irc via pidgin was always a pain for me
[21:59] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: it doesnt have to be supported... did you check the matrix? what is it?
[21:59] <Stephen_Noob> I'm not sure what you mean by matrix, but if I run lsusb it lists it.
[21:59] <Stephen_Noob> Bus 003 Device 003: ID 08bb:2902 Texas Instruments Japan PCM2902 Audio Codec
[22:00] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[22:00] <Stephen_Noob> *rtfm'n*
[22:00] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: a few suggestions
[22:00] <Unit193> Ah, I was going to say try it with pulse as it seems to support some more odd ones.
[22:00] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: try a live CD with pulse audio.. something like xubuntu (assuming you dont want to install pulse)
[22:00] <holstein> Unit193: :)
[22:01] <holstein> pavucontrol is a nice and handy tool to use with pulse
[22:01] <hutch_> Does fb/xmpp on pidgin still not allow video? as I configured my webcam but no video displayed
[22:01] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: I'm running lubuntu on a MK802+ Allwinner A10, a CD drive is not an option :P
[22:01] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: if you can, disable or remove all other sound cards/devices.. either in the bios or just physically remove them
[22:01] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: ?
[22:01] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: Also, I installed pulse but I was getting the impression it somehow ran ontop of alsa.
[22:01] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: you can boot *something* on there.. USB
[22:02] <Unit193> hutch_: I'm pretty sure it does audio, and video technically should work I think, but don't know for sure that it does.
[22:02] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: thats what the alsa support *is* relevant...
[22:02] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: It's an embedded ARM computer, the size of... a gum pack. I can't unplug them. Not sure how to disable them :(
[22:02] <hutch_> Unit193, maybe right just need to talk to fb contact with vid I guess
[22:03] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: these are "suggestions".. ignore them if you want, or if they are not relevant to your case.. its just simple ways of discovering support for sound cards
[22:03] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: what would i do? take the USB audio device to a more "normal" x86 machine that meets some of the suggested requirements above.. test.. learn.. return to ARM
[22:03] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: Yea, I'm on board just want to explain my situation. I did try disabling the built in stuff through alsa-base.conf
[22:04] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: the way i see it, you are troubleshooting quite a few key things at once.. ARM, audio in linux, mulitple sound cards... try thinning these out.. go to another machine
[22:05] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: I'm afraid the only things I have at my disposal are two Apple laptops, neither have a CD drive and I cannot boot linux due to EFI blocking
[22:05] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: i routinely dig machines that are appropriate for this out of the trash
[22:06] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: Aye, I recognize they're easy to come by. Realistically I think I just need to tell alsa to load the driver for the PCM2902 but I'm not really sure how to do that.
[22:06] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: im sure, if you need/want, you can work a test case up.. if not, i would return the device ASAP. and get something with known linux support
[22:06] <Stephen_Noob> Specifically, I'm not sure what the driver name is.
[22:06] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: Where's your sense of adventure??
[22:07] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: im actually an audio guy.. so i pick and choose my adventures with it.
[22:08] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: Alright, so I anticipate you're familiar with alsa_conf. Let me refer to that matrix again really fast. I guess mine might be under "TI" or "Texas Instruments"
[22:08] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: what i would do is go to hardware that i *know* works.. x86 hardware.. and have only one audio device
[22:09] <holstein> otherwise, i have not use ARM, and for all you and i know, usb could be not working
[22:09] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: Nah the USB is working, I installed it on another arm system without a problem but this new one is smaller :3
[22:09] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: Does this shed some light on the situation for either of us? http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Behringer
[22:10] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: That's my USB card...
[22:10] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: my friend uses one of those
[22:10] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: it works "out of the box".. thats what im saying.. you have to many unknowns going on
[22:10] <holstein> its plug and play.. he is _guitarman_ in #opensourcemusicians
[22:11] <holstein> it should show in aplay -l ... but you have a different ARM kernel, and all kinds of other differences
[22:11] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: Darn, I guess I'll have to try to find a MK802 channel.
[22:11] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: why? they didnt make the audio device
[22:12] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: I'm pretty sure there's some modules not included in this specific flavor of lubuntu, they may be familiar with this.
[22:12] <holstein> Stephen_Noob: they might not be able to be use in the ARM kernel
[22:12] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: You should have saw me getting the WiFi to work... talk about a learning experience for my first time with Linux :)
[22:12] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: There are instructions, but they skip important elements / steps that a Noob wouldn't recognize.
[22:39] <Stephen_Noob> holsteni: Says the kernel was built without SND_USB_AUDIO drivers *reading*
[22:40] <Stephen_Noob> holstein: ^
[22:43] <Unit193> Module or built-in?  Module loaded?


[06:21] <viewer|57> hello all! Is there a form of textmode install for kubuntu (18 LTS)? I am trying to install but the installer doesn't work on my screen, a UHD/UWS Samsung monitor.
[06:21] <viewer|57> Is there some way to start wayland right away during install?
[06:25] <viewer|57> or some way to not be directly booted into an invisible session?
[07:43] <Wiz> hi, can"t get my hdmi audio to work when plugged on a tv, with kubuntu 18.10 and 19.04, works fine on windows... Nvidia GTX 1050 Mobile. Anyone familiar with that ?
[09:16] <meven> Wiz: What have you tried ? Did you have a look in the settings : mulimedia > audio volume, if your HDMI chipset is recognized you should see it
[09:17] <meven> in the available output list
[10:00] <Wiz> meven, I looked at the audio volume. In the output tab, I only see the internal speakers and the headset (shown as not plugged, which is true).
[10:00] <Wiz> meven: I do not see an HDMI output in this tab
[10:02] <diogenes_> Wiz, pavucontrol > configue > prifile > digital hdmi ...
[10:02] <diogenes_> configure* > profile*
[10:02] <Wiz> meven: when I go to the configuration tab and look at the hdmi profiles, they are all reported as not available
[10:04] <Wiz> diogenes_: this is what I just said above, hdmi profiles listed as not available / unplugged, when selecting any of them, no audio
[10:05] <Wiz> (I am using kubuntu and that is the qt version of pavucontrol)
[10:06] <diogenes_> is it a fresh install?
[10:06] <Wiz> diogenes_: nope, upgrade from 18.10, where I had the same problem
[10:06] <Wiz> using nvidia drivers
[10:07] <diogenes_> i would try 19.04 boot live off of a usb drive.
[10:08] <Wiz> I cannot do it, because when I try the live (adding "nomodeset" on grub so that the pc does not freeze), it freezes when I use "live session" instead of the install
[10:09] <NoCode> Is there anyway to treat Latte Dock as just a dock for icons without notifications/window tasks?
[10:10] <diogenes_> Wiz, but have you tried the newest 19.04? and is still freezes?
[10:10] <Wiz> diogenes_: it just reminds me I did a fresh install (on another partition) to test 19.04 before upgrading my usual one. I had the same issue with hdmi audio and broke the system when trying to fix it, following instructions on a website
[10:11] <diogenes_> Wiz, what i mean is you to try hdmi with oss drivers, nouveau and see that maybe with nouveau it works instead of proprietary nvidia.
[10:12] <diogenes_> for me nouveau works fine.
[10:12] <Wiz> diogenes_: the newest 19.04 (official release of end april) does freeze when booting the usb drive as is. Need a nomodeset, and then from memory, installing on hard drive works, but selecting "try it" does freeze the display (terminals can be opened and have commands run)
[10:12] <Wiz> what is the oss drivers ?
[10:13] <diogenes_> in linux, nvidia cards run by default on the oss (open-source) driver called nouveau
[10:13] <Wiz> diogenes_: with nouveau I think there was problems : can set the light, cpu running very high when viewing videos
[10:13] <Wiz> diogenes_: oh ok, I did not know oss stood for open source, sorry
[10:13] <diogenes_> Wiz, that's already a second question, the first task is to verify if your hdmi works under nouveau.
[10:14] <diogenes_> i mean without installing any nvidia drivers.
[10:14] <Wiz> diogenes_: I can relaunch a fresh install (unless I can boot on the live usb) and test nouveau driver for the hdmi
[10:15] <diogenes_> Wiz, that would be a good idea also, for testing purpuse, you can fire up a fedora 30 live iso too because they are on the leading edge with drivers and kernels and so on.
[10:17] <Wiz> diogenes_: never tried it. I can launch download, but it will take some time... low dsl here, fiber is coming, but not before the end of the year... The fiber itself is in front of my land since feb...
[10:19] <Wiz> diogenes_: download started...
[10:20] <Wiz> brb
[10:20] <NoCode> As weird as this sounds, Plasma/KDE reminds me ofoldGnome. Can't stand Gnome-3, and I did for a couple years until I bought this off-lease $400 laptop and put another distro on it, and noticed how fast KDE/Plasma was. So I switched to KDE/Plasma on my Desktop
[10:21] <NoCode> Though, I am starting to see little hiccups. Like currently, I searched for an Aurorae theme in the discovery window thing, and it's still searching which looks to be NIL results and no way to stop it
[10:27] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:41] <jubo2> hello and thanks for the awesome OS for humans
[10:42] <jubo2> got a problem. When plugging in a NTFS partition and trying to mount it via automatics says "malformed URL..." and I cannot mount the volume via the GUI
[10:45] <BluesKaj> jubo2, run sudo blkid with the drive plugged in and add the NTFS UUID to fstab
[10:45] <jubo2> tried the same with another Kubuntu .. same thing "Malformed URL.." (rest of the text does not display due to the small size of the popup
[10:47] <jubo2> BluesKaj: uhh.. are you sure that is the way to go
[10:47] <jubo2> I mean fstab entry just for a spare HDD I use to stash backups of stuff
[10:48] <BluesKaj> jubo2, depends is it a separate drive or just a partition, and if it's just temporary or is it a permanent ?
[10:49] <jubo2> BluesKaj: It is the only partition on a disk I am attaching via USB3-to-SATAIII connector
[10:49] <jubo2> I'd just like to mount it ad-hoc, copy files, unmount and safely remove
[10:49] <jubo2> but something broki
[10:49] <jubo2> .. broke this
[10:50] <jubo2> and I'm a bit worried if the next HDD I'm plugging in will go to error too
[10:50] <jubo2> Like sometimes people would like to KEEP the contents of the HDDs
[10:51] <jubo2> BluesKaj: I don't want to automount it (via /etc/fstab), but I would just like the disk to come back to normal operation
[10:51] <BluesKaj> jubo2, try a different usb port, sometimes that works on newer machines usb3.0 vs 2.problems
[10:51] <jubo2> BluesKaj: Tried 2 on this machine and one on the ohter
[10:51] <jubo2> not an USB problem
[10:53] <jubo2> BluesKaj: "Malformed URL" it says when I try to plug it in and choose open with Dolphin
[10:53] <jubo2> I want to rescue this disk
[10:53] <jubo2> .. coz it got valuables on it
[10:54] <BluesKaj> jubo2, try live session media and see if the usb mounts thru that ...then you may be able to transfer the files
[10:55] <jubo2> BluesKaj: The media mounted just fine and now neither of the Kubuntus will mount it
[10:55] <BluesKaj> I mean live kubuntu session on a dvd or usb
[10:58] <jubo2> BluesKaj: ok. I do that. I boot the other machine from Live USB
[10:59] <jubo2> but it not gonna make a differnce since 2 Kubuntus are giving the same error
[10:59] <jubo2> How bad people can be at giving errors "Malformed URL" and that it..
[11:01] <BluesKaj> try it anyway
[11:07] <jubo2> BluesKaj: same error
[11:08] <jubo2> maybe Kubuntu should come with a warning message "Plugging and unplugging drives to Kubuntu may cause you to lose access to them" .. that's my feeling. I did not do any wrong to the disk afaik
[11:09] <jubo2> This maybe the same bug<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:10] <jubo2> Says disks mount just fine with Windows 8
[11:10] <jubo2> If that is true we should change the warning to "After mounting and unmounting an NTFS partition, you will no longer be able to access it on Linux"
[11:11] <BluesKaj> jubo2, does it show up in kde partition manager
[11:11] <BluesKaj> if so , unmount it if possible
[11:13] <jubo2> BluesKaj: yeah it shows in KDE partition manager. How do I unmount it? at least it is not mounted under /media/username
[11:14] <BluesKaj> jubo2, right click on said partition
[11:15] <jubo2> BluesKaj: uhh.. mount is grayed out. the onlyt thing that could be useful is "edit mount point"
[11:15] <jubo2> I gonna see if it is broken for Windows 7 as well
[11:17] <jubo2> BluesKaj: Windows opens it with no probs
[11:21] <NoCode> That reminds me, KDE should deal with LUKS mounted partitions in different manner because it'll suggest that the drive is mounted to a different mount point and throws an error-like message until you enable automatic mounting in "removable devices". Like, it'll say something like, "already mounted on */sr0/ or something like that. I forget what it says. But automatically mounting kinda fixes it.
[11:21] <jubo2> So Linux says "Malformed URL" and no other help with the situation.  But if mounting and unmounting NTFS partitions may result in the partition no longer being mountable in Linux, I don't want to plug in any disk
[11:26] <NoCode> There's still issues mounting NTFS partitions? >.> I remember that being almost a non-issue about 13 years ago after installing a driver to make it work.
[11:27] <jubo2> So possibly making an NTFS disk with Gparted is not the way to go
[11:27] <jubo2> .. since this happens to the partitions
[11:28] <jubo2> Ok.. I'ma assume Linux does not break EXT4s
[11:28] <NoCode> no idea on that.
[11:29] <BluesKaj> jubo2, make sure you have ntfs-3g installed...it should be default
[11:29] <NoCode> yeah it was that driver!
[11:29] <NoCode> I wasn't sure if it was 3g or 3u
[11:29] <NoCode> :D
[11:29] <jubo2> ntfs-3g is version 1:2017.3.23-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:30] <NoCode> I remember 3g being experimental
[11:30] <NoCode> Years ago
[11:30] <BluesKaj> yeah, that was a while back
[11:31] <BluesKaj> jubo2, is windows necessary for your job ?
[11:35] <jubo2> BluesKaj: Linux is very much needed for the job
[11:36] <jubo2> I don't touch Windows unless I really need to
[11:36] <jubo2> Now the situation is becoming worse. An EXT4 external disk also gives "Malformed URL"
[11:37] <jubo2> and two other disks don't say anything... except the other makes beeping noises. I've never heard a HDD beep like this
[11:37] <BluesKaj> jubo2, you mentioned setting a mount point, maybe giving the moutpoint a name like /media-user or some such might work
[11:37] <jubo2> BluesKaj: I do not know what broke the normal mounting via GUI
[11:38] <BluesKaj> jubo2, which kubuntu
[11:38] <jubo2> 18.04.2
[11:39] <jubo2> All the disks showing life signs all give "Malformed URL" and I am unable to mount them
[11:40] <jubo2> I'd hate it if this turned out to be "Install everything again or switch to Windows"-type of incident
[11:40] <jubo2> This.. This is not cool
[11:42] <jubo2> Last try with 64GB stick. If this doesn't mount either I have no way of moving files from or to Linux except maybe booting from a live stick
[11:42] <BluesKaj> my earlier suggestion
[11:45] <jubo2> BluesKaj: sorry, which one was that
[11:45] <BluesKaj> live media
[11:45] <jubo2> I tried that. Did not helå
[11:45] <jubo2> *help
[11:46] <BluesKaj> then why did you just mention it?
[11:47] <jubo2> The USB stick mounted just fine ... but being unable to mount any external HDD is nooooot cool
[11:48] <BluesKaj> think you may need to search for a bug on 18.04.2 LTS
[11:51] <jubo2> Uhhh.. there are tons of people with this problem it seems https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=kubuntu+says+malformed+url+when+trying+to+mount+a+disk&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[11:53] <BluesKaj> so there must be a fix
[11:54] <jubo2> BluesKaj: From what I'm seeing it is a Plasma problem. People are reporting the disks are just fine when accessed on a system that does not run KDE
[11:56] <jubo2> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370975 is a looong thread
[11:56] <jubo2> People are discussing adding a sleep(5) or something like that to make the Plasma bug go away
[11:57] <jubo2> I'd like to know how the Plasma broke, I didn't do any violence to it.
[11:58] <jubo2> The thread says this was patched away in Arch a year ago
[11:59] <jubo2> and this is likely not the right bug. as it says that "pretends it cannot mount usb device while actually...". I mean where would the partitions be mounted if not /media/username/UUID ?
[12:00] <jubo2> this is messed up
[12:00] <jubo2> I like KDE, but if KDE does not work then I prlly need to switch to something else
[12:00] <jubo2> I
[12:00] <jubo2> I'll boot a MINT MATE on the other laptop and see if that sees the partitions fine
[12:05] <jubo2> Yeah. It has no probs detecting and automounting
[12:14] <jubo2> I was supposed to get stuff done today, but now I am instead wondering how the Plasma broke itself
[12:14] <jubo2> One minute disks are mounted just fine, the next moment no HDD will mount but USB will
[12:15] <jubo2> and the only workaround so far is to use an OS that doesn't use Plasma
[12:17] <BluesKaj> I'm on plasma here testing Kubuntu 19.10, no probs with usb outboards or sticks or any other devices
[12:19] <BluesKaj> sometimes all this emphasis on LTS is misplaced, especially when an important bug fix seems buried somewhere
[12:23] <jubo2> Uhhh.. this "something broke the earlier versions, upgrade and cross fingers"-thingy is not cool. I want an OS that just works and doesn't break down by itself
[12:23] <NoCode> I had a rough time with 19.04, I thought it was a LTS report. So after tons of errors and stuff, I went back to 18.04, and updated to a mainline kernel. Not optimized, but I wanted the version 19.04 has.
[12:23] <jubo2> I got other obstacles in life, my Linux should not be one of them
[12:24] <NoCode> Is there an easier way to get Kubuntu's optimized 19.04 kernel in 18.04 with UKUU or another utility?
[12:25] <NoCode> UKUU is pretty nice, but it only offers mainline kernels from kernel.org or whatever. So it's not optimized for Ubuntu.
[12:28] <jubo2> One minute everything is fine and the next one, no more mounting external HDDs for you
[12:30] <jubo2> So ... USB sticks still mount, but no partition on HDD is mountable, except in every other OS, tahn Kubuntu
[12:33] <NoCode> Did you verify that kubuntu ISO before using it?
[12:34] <jubo2> NoCode: nope
[12:35] <jubo2> Besides the verification has been broken for a long time iirc .. It complains that "one faulty file found", but does not bother to tell which file would be broken. No fix was found for this one either iirc
[12:36] <jubo2> So the disks are fine as they open nicely in Win7 and Linux Mint MATE, but Kubuntu just stopped working re mounting partitions from external HDDs just quit working today
[12:36] <NoCode> uhhh
[12:36] <jubo2> So what should I do.. Buy  512GB USB stick?
[12:38] <NoCode> Not sure, but you should verify the ISO you've downloaded and install once it is verified correctly.
[12:38] <NoCode> !verify
[12:38] <jubo2> NoCode: oh that one. It is fine
[12:38] <jubo2> I checked it iirc
[12:40] <jubo2> rechecking it now
[12:41] <jubo2> 100% match
[12:42] <jubo2> I'd like the LTS to work. Kinda sucks for the disto if the situation is that something breaks the LTS and then all that can be offered is "upgrade to something even more unstable"
[12:43] <NoCode> Maybe you messed something up or maybe your hardware is messed up?
[12:43] <jubo2> NoCode: Oh.. Two hardware broke at the same time in the same way
[12:44] <jubo2> I've tried with 2 machines that have Kubuntu installed on 'em and the Live USB and all of them just say "Malformed URL"
[12:44] <NoCode> Ah, no idea.
[12:45] <jubo2> .. this is not cool
[12:45] <jubo2> "Kubuntu is otherwise a nice distro, but you cannot use external HDDs." would the review read atm
[12:46] <NoCode> Well, thankful that's only a review from one user while there are thousands
[12:47] <jubo2> Somewhere they are saying that Plasma is not broken, but Dolphin is
[12:48] <jubo2> 'k.. where are the instructions to mount the partitions with something else than the (broken) Dolphin?
[12:49] <jubo2> I didn't break plasma, and I have no idea how to figure out who broke it. I'm not a texy person.
[12:50] <BluesKaj> jubo2, don't make generqal statements that are misleading,l you problem is confined to 18.04.2 LTS , not all other Kubuntu disto versions
[12:50] <jubo2> How do we know?
[12:50] <jubo2> I got a 19.04 on the stick. Should I try with that?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> because I don't have that problem as i mentioned above
[12:51] <jubo2> .. I'll do that. The day is ruined anyways
[12:56] <jubo2> just gotta wait a few minutes for it to finish downloading backups
[13:05] <jubo2> 18.10 is not affected by this bug
[13:05] <jubo2> Did not have 19.04, but 18.10 on the stick
[13:08] <jubo2> There has gotta be a reasonable way forward. Install new junk and pray it starts working does not sound cool
[13:09] <jubo2> Can I somewhere see a list of what was upgraded last. I mean I ran some upgrades today and have not seen this bug before
[13:09] <jubo2> Coz today I ran 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade' so that prlly broke the thing
[13:27] <jubo2> So.. where should I submit a bug report? "Did nothing and suddenly none of external HDD:s in 18.04.2 will mount via Dolphin. Always just complains "Malformed URL" with no additional info."
[13:27] <jubo2> that about all I know about this
[13:28] <jubo2> It was the 'apt upgrade' today I gather .. can I undo that somehow? Maybe I reboot and try an older kernel (I have a faint recollection it installed a new one today)
[13:28] <jubo2> yeah. reboot for older kernel. be back soon.
[13:36] <jubo2> Hi. Cannot mount external HDDs problem exists only partially with kernel 4.15.0-48-generic
[13:36] <jubo2> One disk it said "Malformed URL", but 'mount' showed that it did get mounted. Another disk opens in Dolphin with no errors
[13:39] <jubo2> So what is the conclusion if Kubuntu with kernel 4.15.0-50 fails to mount external drives and 4.15.0-48 does not fail consistently as the newer one does?
[13:41] <jubo2> What comes to my mind is that the newer kernel introduces some bug. I'm not a texy person so I cannot know for sure, but this is what it looks like
[14:10] <jubo2> Oh this is nice. The unable to mount HDDs stopped exhibiting, but now cryfs is using ~30% of CPU without doing anything
[14:11] <jubo2> just having a vault open draws 20-30% of CPU
[14:12] <jubo2> I can understand it is slow to read or write, but just having a vault open renders Dolphins unresponsive
[14:16] <jubo2> what is kidle_inject and why are there 4 treads of it an all of them are drawing the same amount of CPU. 40% of CPU is used by it
[14:19] <jubo2> According to the internets it is something to stop the CPU from overheating
[14:20] <jubo2> Oh nice.. Stopping CPU from overheating eats 35-40% of CPU. I'm having a really flowered up day today
[14:22] <jubo2> Oh this is even nicer ... 'cp' from CryFS to HDD @ 1MB / s ... 19.2GB will only take several hours
[14:25] <jubo2> Oh well ... No relying on HDDs being able to be connected. IO performance of max 1MB / s and CPU utilization at over 50% when idle. Apparently a Linux these days needs to be installed again and again as frequently as windows in the 90's
[14:27] <jubo2> All of this leads me to think this Linux has been sabotaged
[14:27] <jubo2> I installed as clean as I could a few months ago and idle utilization was 10-15%
[14:27] <jubo2> after a few months idle is at 505
[14:27] <jubo2> 50%
[14:30] <jubo2> first it copied at ok speed (25MB / s) for 1.6 GB and now it looks like the rest is gonna go for 10 hrs @ 0.5MB / s ... really nice.
[14:31] <jubo2> I'm not a texy person i.e. I don't know all of what is wrong nor how to fix it .. I guess Kubuntu just needs a reinstall every 1 months
[14:35] <jubo2> and the system is half frozen with nothing runnig
[14:36] <jubo2> I'll reboot. Too bad a Linux stays operational only for a few months after its installation
 jubo2, I have serverl boxes here with a few of them multi-booting multiple versions of Kubuntu & Neon  and I have never seen the issue you are experiencing.  What is the make/mode your PC?
[14:48] <jubo2> Ok. This Linux is no longer usable
[14:51] <jubo2> Copying from CryFS Vault to HDD starts off at 20 MB / s, but soon moves to a "really usable level of IO" of few hundreds of KB / s write
[14:57] <jubo2> It looks like this Linux is never gonna get well. Last time I reinstalled, I did copy the .config .. prlly bringing over something corrupt from the old OS, allowing the attacker to continue to destroy my system
 @jubo2, You've mentioned a number of issues you are asserting relate to Kubuntu. I'm not saying that isn't the case but I'm curious if you have tried any other distributions to see if there aren't more general issues you are having or perhaps even hardware based? You linked to a bug report where the poster did eventually state that it was a hardware issue. Again, just curious if you'd have these same issues on another distro or DE.
[15:37] <jubo2> ericadams: I noticed the HDD-issue on Kubuntu 18.04.2 on 2 machines and I did try with other OS, Linux Mint MATE and Windows 7 did not have problems seeing and mounting the disk. Then I notice the problem "goes away" without me changing any settings anywhere..
[15:37] <jubo2> Kubuntu 18.10 booted from an USB stick had no problem mounting the partitions.
[15:39] <jubo2> I have no idea what is the issue, what started it exhibiting, what stopped it from exhibiting and naturally no clue when it will return
[15:39] <jubo2> When there is this weird things going on one usually starts to think of malicious parties having gained access again
[15:39] <analogical> are there different themes available for the Konversation IRC client?
[15:40] <jubo2> How would it be a HW problem if it appears identical on 2 pieces of hardware. How would it not be a problem of this Kubuntu version, if no other OS suffer from it?
[15:43] <jubo2> If I drank alcohol I'd be ~ 1.5‰ long time ago. I was supposed to get stuff done, but then all the day goes into not having a clue, why disk mounting just broke on two 18.04.2s, what the hell "fixed" it and with the "comfortable" feeling of "I don't know if I can mount external HDDs on this system at any point in time."
[15:43]  * jubo2 gets a zero.zero beer from the fridge
[15:44] <jubo2> pro-tip: If you have desparate need of getting drunk, zero beer will give you a bad panic attack
[15:45] <jubo2> So there are 2 alternatives I see: #1 Intruder broke it and #2 apt upgrade broke it. Please if you see more, please do tell
 I read a post that said if the person chose the Mount and view in Dolphin option they would get the URL message. If they chose the other option they wouldn't see the message and the drive would show as mounted after a few seconds in Dolphin. Have you tried that by any chance?
[15:54] <Wiz> Hi, ran some suggested tests for the hdmi audio output with nvidia, without success... anyone here can help ?
[15:54] <Wiz> with nouveau driver : hdmi output (tv) not even detected
[15:55] <Wiz> with nvidia driver : hdmi detected, image goes to the tv, but hdmi audio device not detected in pavucontrol
[15:56] <BluesKaj> Wiz, do you have pavucontrol installed?
[15:56] <BluesKaj> oops
[15:57] <BluesKaj> Wiz, what about alsamixer F6 ?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> also make sure spdif is enabled
[16:04] <Wiz> BluesKaj:  pavucontrol is installed that is through it that I can see the hdmi output not available
[16:05] <BluesKaj> yes, i saw that too late, what about the other 2 suggestions?
[16:07] <Wiz> BluesKaj: alsamixer F6: I see: - (default)
[16:07] <BluesKaj> is HDMI listed?
[16:07] <Wiz> 0 HDA intel PCH
[16:07] <Wiz> enter device name
[16:08] <Wiz> nope, no HDMI listed
[16:08] <Wiz> spdif enabled (00)
[16:08] <BluesKaj> ok, now check SPDIF  in alsamixer
[16:09] <BluesKaj> Wiz, escape from alsamixer
[16:10] <Wiz> ok
[16:11] <BluesKaj> in the terminal, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel, if the driver loads properly there won't be any output
[16:11] <Wiz> bruno@PC-Bruno:~$ sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[16:11] <Wiz> [sudo] Mot de passe de bruno :
[16:11] <Wiz> bruno@PC-Bruno:~$
[16:12] <BluesKaj> ok so no output
[16:12] <BluesKaj> that means the audio driver loaded properly
[16:13] <Wiz> the nvidia driver does not care about audio ?
[16:13] <BluesKaj> yes it 's fine
[16:15] <BluesKaj> now open system settings>hardware>multimedia>audio&video>device preference tab> is HDMI listed?
 wiz, on my laptop I had to go to Sys settings -> Multimedia -> Audio Volume -> Advanced (tab) and select Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output in the Profile drop down.  Do you have that option?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> if not, choose the audiovolume tab, click on advanaced the device profile drop down , choose HDMI
[16:20] <Wiz> BluesKaj: it was not selected, I selected it, and then clicked on "test" on the HDMI, no audio
[16:21] <Wiz> DarinMiller: yes I did try that
[16:22] <BluesKaj> Wiz, sometimes the test button is buggy ...i've seen it it before , try playing some audio or video in a player
[16:23] <Wiz> BluesKaj: the hdmi is the only line not grayed, I can select it but not click on apply. Trying audio
[16:24] <Wiz> BluesKaj: still no audio
[16:25] <BluesKaj> Wiz, try the audio volume device tab, make sure it's at least 80%
[16:28] <BluesKaj> still in system settings>hardware>multimedia>audio volume >devices
[16:31] <Wiz> BluesKaj: it is at 100%
[16:32] <BluesKaj> wiz the check you TV input audio/hdmi and make sure the audio volume is set to your source/hdmi
[16:34] <BluesKaj> then check your TV
[16:41] <Wiz> BluesKaj: the hdmi output works fine on the same tv & computer under windows
[16:41] <Wiz> BluesKaj: I can try again, rebooting, will be back in a few minutes
[16:51] <Wiz> BluesKaj: back : works fine "out of the box" on windows
[16:54] <Wiz> BluesKaj: but when I just checked in alsa mixer, s/pdif was muted
[16:55] <BluesKaj> that will defintely mute the audio to hdmi
[16:57] <Wiz> I unmuted it again
[16:57] <BluesKaj> wiz well, i have my hdmi video to the TV and the audio looping via optical audio to an audio receiver and all works perfectly
[16:59] <BluesKaj> Wiz,, what about your alsamixer master and PCM volume ctrls
[16:59] <BluesKaj> also make sure automute is disabled
[17:01] <Wiz> BluesKaj: alsa all are up to 100%
[17:01] <Wiz> where is the automute ?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> and automute ?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> on the far right in alsamixer
[17:02] <Wiz> BluesKaj: it was enabled
[17:02] <Wiz> I disabled it
[17:02] <BluesKaj> ok , now try
[17:04] <Wiz> BluesKaj: same :(
[17:04] <BluesKaj> it's always enabled after new release install or a kernel upgrade...something to remember...reboot
[17:05] <Wiz> BluesKaj: rebooting
[17:11] <Wiz> BluesKaj: 1st reboot automute was enabled again, 2nd reboot it remaint disabled
[17:11] <Wiz> but still no audio
[17:12] <BluesKaj> then i'm out of ideas, except check everything again including pavucontrol
[17:12] <Wiz> BluesKaj: all i tried (about the same as you suggested gave me the same result... none
[17:13] <BluesKaj> which kubuntu version /release?
[17:13] <Wiz> BluesKaj: 19.04
[17:14] <Wiz> BluesKaj: it was already the same on 18.10
[17:14] <BluesKaj> perhaps I've forgotten something, try asking in #ubuntu
[17:15] <Wiz> diogenes_: welcome back ! I tried some of what you suggested and then BluesKaj made me test other things, without success (for hdmi audio output problems)
[17:15] <Wiz> BluesKaj: yes it might be an idea
[17:16] <diogenes_> Wiz, what exactly you have tried?
[17:16] <Wiz> BluesKaj: and thanks a lot for your help !
[17:16] <BluesKaj> well, I'm all out of ideas, maybe someone else can help you
[17:16] <Wiz> diogenes_: booting on live usb : as explained, won't allow me to start a test session, I have to install
[17:17] <Wiz> diogenes_: I installed, and with the nouveau driver (nomodeset in the grub in order to boot) : x does not start automatically, I had to open a shell session to launch it
[17:18] <Wiz> diogenes_: and when plugging the hdmi in, it is not detected at all
[17:18] <diogenes_> Wiz, ok and how can you make sure the cable is ok?
[17:18] <Wiz> diogenes_: so i am never able to test the hdmi audio, as the output is not detected
[17:19] <Wiz> diogenes_: hdmi output (audio + video) works great on the same pc & tv when the pc is running windows
[17:19] <Wiz> diogenes_: with the same cable
[17:20] <BluesKaj> probly needs the nvidia driver installed
[17:21] <BluesKaj> I assumed it was
[17:21] <BluesKaj> anyway gotta go
[17:21] <diogenes_> i see, it's a difficul case then, right now i'm lowo n battery so i won't stay long but meanwhile you could read this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples
[17:25] <Wiz> diogenes_: I will, thank you
[18:33] <sezer_> ö
[20:18] <jackpetrilli> It's a shame really. I really wanted to use Kubuntu on my computer but it's simply not usable. Specifically, the network connection keeps dropping (or sometimes just seriously slowing down).
[20:18] <jackpetrilli> I tried getting rid of all IPV6 settings. That didn't work.
[20:18] <jackpetrilli> After hours of fiddling around, I finally got rid of network-manager (after stopping its service) and replaced it with WICD. That worked for about 2 days. Imagine my dismay when I started getting dropouts again today. Assuming that the system had auto-updated, I got rid of network-manager again and put in the commands to block auto-updating. (I cou
[20:18] <jackpetrilli> ld always manually use the Konsole commands to update, if needed). No luck. Now even WICD can't sustain a reliable internet connection.
[20:18] <jackpetrilli> This is really a pretty serious bug. Apparently it's an official bug now based on what I've been reading. The system is unusable if one has to continually disconnect and reconnect to get decent internet connectivity. I guess I'll have to return to Windows (sigh).
[20:18] <jackpetrilli> If anyone does have a solution, feel free to contact me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as I really would like to use this Plasma desktop.
[20:19] <jackpetrilli> network keeps dropping in Kubuntu 19.04
[20:20] <jackpetrilli> already tried disabling all IPV6 references
[20:23] <bprompt> jackpetrilli:   what about kubuntu 18.04?
[20:23] <bprompt> :)
[20:23] <jackpetrilli> Apparently this is an official bug with both 18.04 and 19.04
[20:24] <bprompt> an official bug? hehe
[20:24] <bprompt> oddly enough, I never got it in 18.04 myself
[20:25] <bprompt> jackpetrilli:   offhand we can say is either the network manager/applet OR the network drivers, are you referring to WLAN connection or NIC?
[20:25] <jackpetrilli> According to Internet, recognized as official bug - but not everyone gets it
[20:25] <jackpetrilli> WLAN
[20:25] <bprompt> jackpetrilli:    well, I use kubuntu, but I run LXQT, not exactly Kwin, so I don't use the networking plasmas
[20:26] <jackpetrilli> I replaced network-manager with WICD and that worked for a whole 2 days and then the problem reappeared
[20:26] <bprompt> jackpetrilli:    well, assuming is may just the plasma applet for the connection, you can always just use WICD instead for that, and it can sit on the systray just the same
[20:27] <jackpetrilli> I might try finding 16.04
[20:27] <bprompt> which is what I run =)
[20:28] <jackpetrilli> Yeah, I thought I had the problem solved
[20:30] <bprompt> jackpetrilli:     if WICD is doing it too, chances are is the network drivers, but I don't see it happening just to kubuntu alone, so it must be specific in this case
[20:31] <jackpetrilli> I'm burning the 16.04 edition as we speak
[20:31] <bprompt> hmmm
[20:32] <bprompt> I don't use 18.04 due to connection issues, it simply broke too many apps I use, I fix some and it broke more than desired, whilst in 16.04 everything runs smooth
 @jackpetrilli, What kind of wireless card do you have? I'm just one person but I've used Kubuntu 18.04, 18.10 and 19.04 on this laptop and have never had that issue. If you have it with WICD as well I wonder if it's not more of a kernel/driver issue than KDE/Kubuntu specific.
 I am using a well-supported card though. Device-1: Intel Wireless-AC 9260 driver: iwlwifi
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[00:32] <nico_> any one home?
[01:08] <book> Hey Guys, what devices are you using Ubuntu Mate on?  I'm on a fanless latitude 3150 and im loving it.  100 times better than a chromebook!
[01:10] <book> any humans in here?
[01:11] <book> pornbots?
[01:11] <book> humans with pornbot intentions?
[01:15] <featherstone> book: samsung netbook and raspberry pi 2 & 3
[01:16] <book> nice, sounds delicious!
[01:16] <book> how well does it run on on your samsung netbook?
[01:17] <featherstone> everything runs great except Chrome and Firefox are a little sluggish
[01:19] <featherstone> which isn't bad for 2 gbs of ram and a 1st gen atom chip
[01:24] <bennabiy> YankDownUnder: It would have to be quite something that everything else appears except that one program.
[01:26] <YankDownUnder> bennabiy: Something missing? Something additional? Part of an "extras"?
[01:28] <book> ahh ok, featherstone.  that seems sweet.
[01:29] <book> i run dual core atom 330s, for my 1TB ownCloud server and another for my OpenVPN and Mopidy server.
[01:32] <YankDownUnder> 1tb...hmm...I've got 8tb, about to go shopping for another 4tb...can never have enough storage...
[01:34] <ouroumov> book, that 3150 is from the processor model?
[01:34] <ouroumov> (Intel Celeron N3150?)
[01:37] <book> Celeron N3540 - Quad core
[01:37] <book> holy shat - do you have the family and every 3rd cousin on your ownCloud?  lol
[01:40] <book> ouroumov, is that storage all for you?
[01:42] <ouroumov> Hm?
[03:34] <loot> bot
[04:55] <Codfection> can I install ubuntu mate on xubuntu
[04:55] <Codfection> or vice versa
[05:19] <ouroumov> Codfection: yes, but a clean install is better
[05:19] <Codfection> ouroumov, you mean one de only
[05:20] <ouroumov> I mean the furthest from baseline your system strays, the hardest it will be to get support.
[05:20] <Codfection> clean install = xubuntu or mate
[05:20] <ouroumov> Yeah
[05:20] <Codfection> but in this case I can choose only one
[05:21] <ouroumov> What's wrong with having only one? Did you want to field test both then make a choice?
[05:24] <Codfection> I wanna keep switching between these 2
[05:24] <Codfection> with same apps
[05:24] <Codfection> installed
[07:43] <WhyAreLess> Hi. Just wanted to say thank you guys for this awesome distro :) Probably the best one I've ever used. Keep up the good work
[09:42] <Mister_Q> flexiondotorg ping
[10:30] <mchasard> hi
[10:31] <mchasard> i was here yesterday to relate some youtube videos troubles with epipahny and mpidori browser ....under ubuntu mate , lubuntu but  with xubuntu all is fine ... don't know really why
[10:37] <oracle> good morning
[10:37] <ouroumov> hi mchasard, hi oracle
[10:37] <ouroumov> mchasard, can you restate the problem?
[10:38] <oracle> hi ouroumov
[10:39] <mchasard> i was under lubuntu or ubuntu mate before and noway to readyoutubevideo with midori or epiphany browser ... with firefox no troubles
[10:39] <mchasard> so migrate to xubuntu all is fine for any browser
[10:39] <flexiondotorg> Mister_Q, pong
[10:40] <ouroumov> mchasard, what versions of those OSes?
[10:40] <Mister_Q> flexiondotorg I've already send you the link on telegram ;)
[10:40] <ouroumov> g'day flexiondotorg
[10:40] <mchasard> 16.04
[10:41] <mchasard> even in the hmtl 5 page the extension was in red ...ot works under xubuntu
[10:42] <mchasard> and this is with several device
[10:42] <mchasard> raspberry pi 3 , eeepc 701
[10:42] <flexiondotorg> Mister_Q, Ahhh, it's you :-)
[10:42] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov, o/
[10:47] <Mister_Q> flexiondotorg, yup It's me :D
[11:01] <Sp1r1t> what's the difference between man and help under CLI?
[11:02] <rahtgaz> help will show you help for the shell builtin commands.
[11:02] <rahtgaz> This is so, because otherwise to get help on those you would have to go to "man bash" and look for the command there
[11:04] <Sp1r1t> i don't get u @rahtgaz
[11:05] <ouroumov> help is commands inside your shell, meaning the program that listen to commands you type
[11:06] <ouroumov> man is for commands provided by programs that are not your shell, such as: htop, nano, etc
[11:06] <rahtgaz> Ok, you can issue normals commands like launching programs installed in your computer. for instance grep is an actual program
[11:06] <rahtgaz> other commands aren't actual programs, but instead they are a commands that only the shell understands
[11:07] <rahtgaz> help allows you to more quickly see the documentation on those shell-only commands
[11:07] <rahtgaz> But bewware...
[11:07] <rahtgaz> the shell does have some builtin commands with the same name of installed programs
[11:07] <rahtgaz> for instance,
[11:08] <rahtgaz> if you type 'type -a echo' you will see it exists as a builtin command and as a program in /bin
[11:08] <rahtgaz> this is on purpose, because the shell redefines some of those programs
[11:09] <rahtgaz> sometimes when you are reading the man on a program, you may see it telling you that the shell has its own built-in version of that program
[11:09] <rahtgaz> so you know, that is a command like the echo command above. It exists as a program, but also as a shell builtin
[11:10] <rahtgaz> the help command allows you to see those
[11:10] <rahtgaz> to see the documentation, i mean
[11:10] <rahtgaz> hope i made any sense
[11:11] <guest-3uRgbz> hi,
[11:13] <ouroumov> hi guest-3uRgbz
[11:15] <guest-3uRgbz> i just log in it's the first time i use ubuntu mate and i got my:  name + gest + other . coulr anyone tell me what other is please ??
[11:17] <guest-3uRgbz> is that to register someone else ??? in my computer .... when i put my password it dos not log in other ? so what is for please anyone
[11:18] <guest-3uRgbz> ?
[11:20] <guest-3uRgbz> hi ouroumov could you help me to understand what is other for when i start my computer please ...!!!
[11:22] <guest-3uRgbz> anyone to help me please .. is that the chat for UBUNTU MATE ......!
[11:24] <guest-3uRgbz> I'm new to Ubuntu MATE , how can I get practical help , please  ...............?
[11:26] <guest-3uRgbz> is there any other Chanel i can get help .... anyone .... !
[12:36] <Sp1r1t> how do you scan an entire drive / disk using clam av on ubuntu mate?
[12:36] <Sp1r1t> either CLI or GUI?
[12:37] <Sp1r1t> thanks so much rahtgaz! very explanatory
[12:37] <Akuli> why would you do that?
[13:01] <azeem> hello all
[13:35] <Sp1r1t> i'm suspecting that my ubuntu mate is infected
[13:35] <Sp1r1t> it behaves.. funnily
[13:37] <Akuli> Sp1r1t, create a new user account, and you're good to go
[13:59] <maro> The SSL certificates for the Ubuntu MATE site don't work?
[14:01] <skinux_> I'm having trouble playing DVDs. I get black area over DVD menus or just over the whole movie area.
[14:01] <skinux_> I'm using VLC 2.2.2
[14:18] <maro> Do you also see invalid SSL certificates?
[14:20] <bennabiy> ouroumov: Can you point me in the right direction of how to troubleshoot the Advanced menu not appearing on remote X? (only a single white pixel)
[14:21] <skinux_> Umm...maro...I don't know
[14:22] <skinux_> Oh..wait..that wasn't to me
[15:47] <tomrbland> Hi everyone, I'm just after a bit of help. I'm running MATE on my Rasp' PI3 and I'm trying to develop a script that gets the machine setup in the way that I want it for development. Part of that is setting a static IP. Usually I'd just edit network/interfaces with the setup info. But with the introduction of Predictable Network Interface Names it m
[15:47] <tomrbland> eans I can't just use eth0 as the interface name and it just work. It has to be some name based on the MACaddress of the interface. There seems to be many workarounds for this on the web. The most common solution seems to revolve around adding "net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0" in various places. This doesn't seem to work for me.
[15:47] <tomrbland> I can't use the given enx* name because I need this script to work on any PI, not fixed to one MAC address.
[15:47] <tomrbland> The other solutions I've seen involve editing several files then setting up links etc. Is there not a nice simple way to get back to the old eth0?
[15:48] <ouroumov> hi tomrbland
[15:49] <ouroumov> I think at least one user discussed it on the forum.
[15:49] <ouroumov> Afaik (I'm not a rpi user) setting the linux kernel boot parameter to net.ifname=0 should be enough
[15:50] <ouroumov> bennabiy: hi
[15:50] <ouroumov> bennabiy: sorry, I don't know, about that at all
[15:51] <bennabiy> Is there someone in here who would? I just forked mate-menu to get access to fixing it
[15:51] <bennabiy> ouroumov: thank you for getting back to me
[15:52] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, hi. I might have some bad news. I think that leak may be in a core MATE component, because I've noticed even pluma is affected (Still as a side effect of the EOM slideshow)
[15:53] <tomrbland> thanks, I'll keep trying with ifname=0
[15:53] <ouroumov> tomrbland,
[15:53] <ouroumov> you need to sudo update grub for that change to take effect, I think
[15:53] <ouroumov> * sudo update-grub
[15:55] <tomrbland> ouroumov: the PI doesn't use grub.
[15:55] <ouroumov> bennabiy, most the mate devs hang out in #mate-dev
[15:55] <ouroumov> tomrbland, argh
[16:01] <tomrbland> ouroumov: I know!
[16:53] <carolo> hi?
[23:33] <james000-> Hi, I'm trying to get my Wacom CTL-490DW-S to map to a single monitor, rather than my entire array. As per http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Dual_and_Multi-Monitor_Set_Up I have identified the names of my monitors and have then proceeded to run xsetwacom to map it to said monitor, as such.. http://pastebin.com/Tu76vP5U However the command fails and I do not know why
[23:37] <james000-> In an ideal world, the ubuntu mate devs would have build a configuration utility similar to the one found in stock ubuntu, which, as I understand it, does not work on GTK2 systems