[01:22] <kgunn> anyone know much about lttng on arm ?
[11:47]  * henrix -> lunch
[12:19] <kgunn> hi there, anyone running lttng on arm/touch regularly ? user side potentially ?
[12:20] <kgunn> i got it loaded, will calibrate, create a session....but then just get Error: command error after i create my session
[12:34] <rtg> kgunn, cking was experimenting with it, but he's on holiday until next week IIRC
[13:16] <kgunn> rtg: thanks...do you know if it _should_ work? (e.g. user error :) possibly ?)
[13:16] <rtg> kgunn, I'm pretty sure Colin had some success, but I couldn't tell on which platform. Likely an N4
[13:17] <kgunn> rtg: cool, i'm on n4...
[13:50] <bjf> jsalisbury, do we have standard instructions on the wiki for enabling proposed?
[13:51] <jsalisbury> bjf, yes, let me grab the link
[13:51] <jsalisbury> bjf:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[13:52] <rtg> sforshee, isn't this one of your tarbabies ? bug #1215633
[13:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1215633 in linux (Ubuntu) "Wireless driver fails with hardware watchdog - doesn't reset" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215633
[13:57] <sforshee> rtg: I haven't seen errors quite like those before
[13:59] <rtg> sforshee, perhaps you could get him to try prior rc kernels, etc.
[14:00] <sforshee> rtg: I'm perusing the recent brcmsmac changes, as he says the problem just appeared recently
[14:00] <rtg> sforshee, ack. its your baby now.
[14:03] <sforshee> rtg: sure would be nice to have Linus's tags in our saucy repo. The last one that's there is 3.9-rc8.
[14:08] <rtg> sforshee, your wish is my demand. git fetch origin --tags
[14:08] <sforshee> rtg: thanks!
[15:09] <rtg> smb, does your ACK on the 2 x86 thermal patches extend to Precise ?
[15:10] <smb> rtg, Yes, it would have been on it IF I could click
[15:10] <rtg> smb, cool
[16:09] <rtg> ogasawara, got anything in the pipeline ? I'm gonna upload this wifi fix.
[16:09] <ogasawara> rtg: go for it, I've got nothin
[16:10] <bjf> continuous integration
[16:10] <rtg> ogasawara, well, I've got those friday short timer feelings, so I'd like to just blow off and go have a beer. oops - did I say that out loud ?
[16:11] <ogasawara> rtg: dammit, it's only 9am!
[16:11] <rtg> its after 5 somewhere
[16:11] <ogra_> tsk, mericans ...
[16:11] <ogasawara> rtg: well don't feel bad, I'm skipping out for a long lunch today too
[16:11] <ogra_> sleeping until 5 and then complaining about the time
[16:12] <rtg> ogasawara, did you notice that those brits have _another_ day off  on Monday ?
[16:12] <ogasawara> rtg: I did
[16:12] <rtg> I may have to join them in solidarity :)
[16:13] <ogasawara> rtg: do it.  we also got the following monday off
[16:13] <rtg> true. I'll spend it madly packing ('cause I really hate packing)
[16:13] <ogasawara> that's right!
[16:14] <ogasawara> I'll throw a welcome party for you
[16:14] <rtg> how abot a long lunch ?
[16:14] <ogasawara> sure, that too
[17:26]  * henrix -> EOW
[17:48]  * rtg -> lunch
[20:18]  * rtg -> EOW


[10:14] <rmg51> Morning
[10:39] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:55] <SamuraiAlba> Morning
[11:56] <SamuraiAlba> Time for Tonkatsu Ramen with Ponzu :D
[13:01] <SamuraiAlba> Yay!
[13:01] <SamuraiAlba> Rack moved over
[13:01] <SamuraiAlba> MC runs on boot, too
[13:10] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[13:15] <SamuraiAlba> Morning :D


[04:08] <Kyral> Yo LJ
[04:09] <Kyral> mmm LJ++ for teaching me how to use screen
[04:13] <LaserJock> Kyral: np
[04:13] <Kyral> how do I start another app?
[04:13] <Kyral> just open a terminal and screen it as well?
[04:14] <LaserJock> hmm, I haven't done to much of that. I usually only need it for one thing
[04:17] <scotth_> Kyral, start another app? you mean get another bash prompt? ctrl-a ctrl-c
[04:17] <Kyral> scotth_: then just start whatever in there?
[04:17] <Kyral> or do I have to screen <app>
[04:18] <LaserJock> bmonty: ping?
[04:18] <scotth_> just start whatever in there
[04:18] <scotth_> you might also want to look at C-a C-?
[04:19] <scotth_> or info screen
[04:19] <Kyral> hmm
[04:19] <spacey> ctrl a n switches between the screens
[04:19] <spacey> when you have created multiple with ctrl a c
[04:20] <irvin> hello!
[04:21] <irvin> is there a backport of bootchart for breezy? packages.ubuntu.com only returns one from dapper
[04:21] <scotth_> screen is a pretty amazing program... I love it personally and I don't think I could live without it, but you have to read a little to know how to get around and such
[04:27] <Yagisan> irvin: no backport - it needs dappers kernels IIRC
[04:29] <Yagisan> OMG!! more than 46 degrees celsius here
[04:30] <irvin> Yagisan, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting shows entry for breezy
[04:34] <Yagisan> irvin: I heard it needed feature only in the dapper kernel initramfs - I asked myself a while ago. I suppose you could try to backport it yourself
[04:37] <Kyral> hmmm
[04:38] <Kyral> Note to self, learn PyGTK
[04:38] <crimsun> (or pyglade if you want)
[04:39] <Kyral> PyQT ;P
[04:39] <crimsun> PyKDE :)
[04:39] <Kyral> lol
[04:39] <Kyral> I like Py ;P
[04:39] <Kyral> PyMotif :P
[04:40] <crimsun> lesstif? ;)
[04:40] <Kyral> lol
[04:40] <Kyral> I dunno
[04:40] <Kyral> Python friggin rocks :D
[04:42] <Kyral> Sometimes it seems like you can do anything with it
[04:42] <crimsun> you can, really.
[04:42] <Kyral> lol
[04:42] <Kyral> I know
[04:42] <Kyral> Now if we could get a good compiler....
[04:42] <Kyral> we could write OS's in Python ;P
[04:46] <crimsun> cool, now I know who to bug
[04:46] <Kyral> lol
[04:46] <Kyral> malone bug 6333
[04:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6333: "config-kickstart (Ubuntu) - Fails to start" Fix req. for: system-config-kickstart (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/6333
[04:46] <Kyral> help me figure out WTF is going on there then :P
[04:48] <crimsun> sec, I'm eating dinner ;)
[04:49] <Kyral> bah
[04:49] <scotth_> have you looked at the line and why it couldn't read the video card database?
[04:49] <Kyral> it won't even START
[04:50] <Kyral> its giving a major error, like it hits that line and BAM
[04:50] <scotth_> I mean the traceback is saying that it couldn't read the video card database
[04:50] <Kyral> oh
[04:50] <scotth_> what dist are you using?(breezy or dapper)
[04:50] <Kyral> Dapper
[04:50] <Kyral> it's fine on Breezy
[04:50] <Kyral> I asked
[04:51] <scotth_> yeah, I don't have a dapper system anywhere near, but let me go see if I can find the source
[04:51] <Kyral> There is why
[04:51] <Kyral> damn file doesn't exist
[04:52] <scotth_> yes, but why
[04:52] <Kyral> I dunno...
[04:53] <Kyral> hwdata is supposed to supply it
[04:53] <Kyral> which it isn't
[04:53] <scotth_> whats the file name?
[04:53] <Kyral> for?
[04:53] <Kyral> the file its wanting to open?
[04:53] <crimsun> the db, yes
[04:54] <Kyral> its /usr/share/hwdata/Cards
[04:57] <scotth_> its in the breezy version, but not much in the change log as to where it went, all it says is new upstream version
[04:58] <Kyral> hmm
[04:58] <scotth_> you mind if I reassign said bug to hwdata?
[04:58] <Kyral> go ahead
[04:58] <Kyral> I was about to
[04:59] <scotth_> nm, I don't have an edit link, go ahead
[05:00] <Kyral> eh?
[05:01] <crimsun> are you logged in?
[05:01] <Kyral> I am
[05:02] <scotth_> yeah I am, new to malone, found it though
[05:03] <scotth_> Kyral, you want a copy of the db off a breezy system so you can do your work?
[05:04] <Kyral> scotth_: if that solves the problem then all we have to do is patch the Dapper hwdata
[05:05] <scotth_> * Thu Sep  8 2005 Bill Nottingham<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- 0.169-1
[05:05] <scotth_> - remove Cards, pcitable. Add videodrivers
[05:05] <Kyral> ...
[05:06] <scotth_> someone did it on purpose, Id rather know why and where it actually went if anywhere
[05:06] <Kyral> they aren't there
[05:06] <Kyral> videodrivers isn't there
[05:08] <scotth_> it should be, its in the source
[05:08] <Kyral> nope
[05:09] <crimsun> is this package self-contained? If you're using RH source, did you check if there are any necessary auxiliary packages?
[05:10] <scotth_> yup, never gets installed.
[05:10] <bmonty> happy new year everyone!
[05:10] <scotth_> I'm trying to track down who is upstream and if there is any open dev process and it seems like its just someone at redhat throwing out releases
[05:16] <bmonty> hmmm...gnuift seems to be current, but is on the merge list
[05:17] <crimsun> it is?
[05:17] <crimsun> it doesn't appear on NEW
[05:17] <crimsun> have you already accepted it?
[05:17] <bmonty> yeah
[05:19] <crimsun> bmonty: note the NMU
[05:19] <crimsun> gnuift | 0.1.14-6ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[05:19] <crimsun> gnuift_0.1.14-6.1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[05:19] <bmonty> yeah I see the 6.1, but I don't see it in the changelog
[05:20] <crimsun> +++ gnuift_0.1.14-6.1/debian/changelog	2005-12-31 12:49:57.009251351 +0000
[05:20] <crimsun> @@ -1,3 +1,10 @@
[05:20] <crimsun> +gnuift (0.1.14-6.1) unstable; urgency=low
[05:20] <crimsun> +
[05:20] <crimsun> +  * Non-maintainer upload.
[05:20] <crimsun> +  * Renamed for C++ allocator change (Closes: #339177).
[05:20] <crimsun> +
[05:20] <crimsun> + -- Luk Claes<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:14:45 +0100
[05:20] <crimsun> from http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/gnuift/gnuift_debian.patch
[05:21] <bmonty> ahhh got it
[05:21] <crimsun> it's a sync anyhow
[05:21] <bmonty> yeah that is what I thought and then I got side-tracked looking at the changelogs
[05:21] <scotth_> Kyral, maybe we needed the latest system-config-kickstart? I don't know, the change logs aren't very descriptive and the official redhat version for fedora core claims that it works with anything after 0.140 which makes no sense cause we have greater than 0.140 and its not working...
[05:36] <scotth_> redhat makes my brain hurt :-(
[05:54] <scotth_> Kyral, I updated your bug with what I know, thats a main package so an Ubuntu developer will have to take care of it for you
[05:56] <Kyral> okay
[06:00] <Kyral> Happy New Year
[06:01] <Amaranth> can i come back to the land where things just work?
[06:01] <Amaranth> OS X is pissing me off
[06:35] <bmonty> crimsun: grrr...I was just doing soap-lite :)
[06:36] <crimsun> sorry
[06:36] <bmonty> mine was in two minutes before yours :)
[06:37] <crimsun> marked 6340 as a dup
[06:37] <crimsun> dupe^
[06:38] <ajmitch> heh
[06:38] <ajmitch> people grabbing merges at the same time?
[06:38] <bmonty> yup
[06:38] <crimsun> there's a race between page reloads and e-mails
[06:39] <bmonty> lpbugs needs to check and see if there is a bug already open against a package
[06:39] <bmonty> and warn the user
[06:39] <bmonty> and that pretty much is all the unassigned merges :)
[06:40] <bmonty> I'm unsure how to do the libc++ stuff with qgis...sould it be just a -build1 version?
[06:42] <crimsun> no, just sync it
[06:43] <crimsun> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2005-December/003677.html was -1build1, so -1.1 can be synced
[06:44] <bmonty> I'll just do a quick pbuilder run on it then
[06:45] <bmonty> what is with the packages that are broken links?
[06:45] <crimsun> no common base
[06:46] <bmonty> meaning the package isn't in debian?
[06:46] <crimsun> I just browse to a.u.c. and "by-hand"
[06:46] <crimsun> MoM just couldn't find a base for one of Ubuntu's or Debian's
[06:48] <ajmitch> which often happened due to snapshot.debian.net losing a lot of packages, iirc
[06:48] <zakame> heya all :D happy new year
[06:49] <bmonty> hi zakame, 15 mins more here
[06:49] <zakame> bmonty: its been so here in .ph for the past 13 hours ;)
[06:50] <crimsun> rock, the MOTU ring in the new year on dapper-changes
[06:51] <zakame> w00t
[06:51] <bmonty> :)
[06:52] <bmonty> so in the case of kguitar, Loic made a package for ubuntu and someone else made a package for debian, both are the same version...which do we prefer?
[06:53] <crimsun> I would ask pef_aw first, but from a maint perspective Debian's is preferred
[06:53] <crimsun> pef_aw may have a compelling reason to maintain his packaging
[06:54] <bmonty> pef's package has more of the things we like to have with ubuntu
[06:54] <bmonty> desktop file, icon, etc
[06:54] <crimsun> we could push those upstream
[06:55] <zakame> yes, so is the same for my case with lighttpd :( shlomme had already beaten me to it in sid :(
[06:59] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, sorry about inbox
[06:59] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, yours, I mean
[07:01] <zakame> hm LP's now a bit verbose :)
[07:06] <bmonty> it just needs to not attach control messages as comments and only send a single email
[07:20] <zakame> bmonty: hehe, we did seem to file the dcraw merge at the same time :) rocking work ;)
[07:25] <bmonty> zakame: it has happened twice to me today
[07:25] <zakame> hehe
[07:25] <bmonty> unassigned merges are almost done though :)
[07:26] <zakame> yeah, rocking work at the start of 2006 :)
[07:36] <bmonty> good night everyone...happy new year!
[07:40] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: hm?
[08:47] <minghua> hello MOTUs and MOTU hopefuls, and happy new year :-)
[08:48] <crimsun> hi minghua
[09:00] <irvin> happy new year!
[09:04] <Mez> happy new year from the uk for 8 hours ago
[09:18] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, for some reason you are still subscribed to the entire wiki
[09:50] <Yagisan> re
[09:51] <Yagisan> Happy New Year to all those still here
[09:51] <crimsun> ditto
[09:52] <Yagisan> G'day crimsum - how are you ? I'm frying like an egg here - 45 degress celcius @ 7:50pm =-O
[09:55] <Amaranth> it's only 30F here
[09:57] <Yagisan> Amaranth: 30F that's about -1C right ?
[09:58] <Amaranth> something like that, yeah
[09:58] <Amaranth> -1.11 degrees celcius
[09:58] <Yagisan> Amaranth: it would be arount 113-114F here. Lots of bushfires today
[09:58] <Amaranth> yikes
[09:59] <Amaranth> we go from 0-15F winter lows to 90-105F summer highs
[10:00] <Yagisan> Amaranth: was actually higher today too :( - I spend a while giving the baby sponge baths so he wouldn't die from heatstroke
[10:00] <Amaranth> no air conditioning?
[10:02] <crimsun> Yagisan: not bad, just sorting through some packages, yourself?
[10:02] <Yagisan> Amaranth: nope.  Can't even bring a potable unit in, as it blows the fuses - as the landlord cut cost on the fuse box too - by installing a underpowered box
[10:02] <Amaranth> *boggle*
[10:02] <Yagisan> crimsun: very little pc work today - just roasting my nuts off in the heat
[10:02] <crimsun> eek.
[10:02] <Amaranth> time to move, you can't live like that with kids
[10:03] <Yagisan> Amaranth: I try to cook toast and pop goes the fuse
[10:03] <ajmitch> hi Yagisan
[10:03] <Yagisan> Amaranth: Been looking for the last 6 months
[10:03] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[10:03] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch\
[10:03] <Amaranth> in the US that place would probably get red tagged
[10:03] <ajmitch> 45C? ouch..
[10:03] <Amaranth> (means it's not safe to live in)
[10:03] <Yagisan> ajmitch: It peaked at 48 here
[10:03] <ajmitch> that's nasty
[10:03] <ajmitch> we'd be lucky to get half that
[10:04] <ajmitch> probably got up to about 20C here today
[10:04] <Yagisan> Amaranth: It just meets the letter of the law - myself and the estate agent went and checked it out
[10:05] <Yagisan> Amaranth: estate agent is pissed - they look like they will lose their best tenant
[10:05] <Yagisan> ajmitch: do they report aussie bushfires in NZ ? If so, you can expect to see quite a few soon
[10:05] <ajmitch> yes, they do
[10:06] <ajmitch> one of the channels here has channel 9 news
[10:07] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I can see the smoke from the gosford/woy woy area bushfires from my flat
[10:07] <ajmitch> heh
[10:07] <Yagisan> ajmitch: and that is a few hours north of Sydney
[10:07] <ajmitch> impressive
[10:08] <sivang> morning all
[10:08] <crimsun> moins
[10:08] <Yagisan> ajmitch: rookwood cemetery is just down the road - one of the largest cemeteries in the southern hemisphere - all wee need is one cigarette butt, and I'll be on the news
[10:09] <Yagisan> G'day sivang
[10:10] <sivang> hey crimsun
[10:10] <sivang> how was new years partying folks?
[10:11] <Amaranth> sivang: 3 bottles of captain morgan and one bottle of jack daniels were emptied at my house
[10:11] <Amaranth> i was the only sober one ;)
[10:11] <Yagisan> sivang: I got to party with two kids under two, followed by watching shall we dance (original japanese version)  in the early hours of the morning.
[10:12] <Amaranth> but it was fun watching everyone make fools of themselves
[10:12] <Yagisan> wanted to get into the umeshu (japanese plum wine), but only alcoholics drink alone, and my wife can't drink as she's still breast feeding
[10:14] <Yagisan> Amaranth: It is fun watching people get shitfaced isn't it - It's great fun to mess with them too <insert evil similey here>
[10:15] <Amaranth> >:)
[10:16] <Yagisan> Amaranth: nice - I should really learn how to use gaim better
[10:17] <Amaranth> it's > : )
[10:18] <Yagisan> Amaranth: thanks :) now I can inflict more of my twisted sense of humor on people here >:)
[10:25] <Yagisan> bbl - enjoy the day everyone
[10:26] <minghua> talking about fires, there were quite a few around Houston recently, although it's winter
[10:41] <Goshawk> hi, when i upload a package with dupload is there a way to say to dupload to do not send the announce by mail message?
[12:05] <siretart> Happy new Year, folks!
[12:05] <Treenaks> happy new year to you too, siretart :)
[12:08] <ajmitch> happy new year :)
[12:08] <ajmitch> although it's the 2nd here already...
[12:15] <ajmitch> siretart: you don't mind if I do another qemu merge? :)
[12:19] <ajmitch> 0.8.0 is up & working on ppc
[12:28] <ajmitch> looks like bzrtools is new in debian, and luckily it's based on the ubuntu package
[12:58] <luk> Happy New Year!
[12:58] <luk> So, you did like my NMU of gnuift? :-)
[01:01] <ajmitch> I saw someone talking about it earlier
[01:02] <ajmitch> as I understand the ubuntu changes can be dropped now, which is always helpful :)
[01:06] <luk> feel free to ask for similar NMUs, I can see if I can help...
[01:07] <ajmitch> I'd say that one was warranted, being a simple change with a bug that was nearly 7 weeks old
[01:08] <luk> well, even if it's only like 2 weeks old
[01:08] <ajmitch> I know
[01:08] <luk> the offer stands...
[01:54] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I'd really like a new qemu in dapper. Pity the ppc user mode emulation doesn't support nptl binaries
[01:56] <ajmitch> Yagisan: pity that 0.8.0 is uploaded but FTBFS on ppc
[01:58] <ajmitch> http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=&pkg=qemu
[01:58] <ajmitch> looks like it's failing all over the place on debian as well
[02:04] <Yagisan> ajmitch: sorry for the delayed response - was called away to get a little girl into the bath
[02:05] <ajmitch> that's ok :)
[02:05] <Yagisan> ajmitch: :( qemu doesn't like to be built does it
[02:06] <ajmitch> it's complex
[02:07] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yep - lots of potential to be quite useful. Pity it doesn't quite reach it
[02:09] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I think they are too optimistic here http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/status.html . In my experience it doesn't work like that
[02:11] <slomo> hmm, i used it on my ppc to run mathematica... worked fairly good :)
[02:13] <Yagisan> slomo: I never could get it to install ubuntu ppc. Usermode binaries segfaulted on apps such as bash, so I couldn't run cross-compiled apps.
[02:14] <slomo> i never ran a complete system in qemu ;)
[02:14] <Yagisan> slomo: It's almost like it was saying, Yagisan, buy a bloody ppc system
[05:02] <Kyral> Morning MOTU
[05:02] <ajmitch> hi
[05:02] <bmonty> hi Kyral
[05:03] <ajmitch> yay, ACCEPTED
[05:03] <ajmitch> I'll get my merge list cleared yet
[05:03] <Kyral> lol
[05:03] <ajmitch> even if I am working on merges at 5AM
[05:04] <ajmitch> I must really have no life or something
[05:05] <Kyral> yah
[05:05] <Kyral> no kiddin
[05:05] <Kyral> *ducks*
[05:06] <Treenaks> 17:05 ?
[05:06] <ajmitch> Yagisan: I ask myself that same thing
[05:06] <Kyral> 11:06?
[05:06] <Mez> evening all
[05:06] <Kyral> yo Mez
[05:06] <bmonty> hey Mez
[05:06] <ajmitch> I think it's because I tried sleeping but couldn't
[05:06] <ajmitch> hi Mez
[05:06] <Yagisan> 15:06
[05:07] <Kyral> I just woke up...
[05:08] <Mez> Kyral: me too
[05:08] <Mez> amd i'm back off to bed in a mo :D
[05:09] <Kyral> lol
[05:09] <Kyral> I'm off to the shower.......NOW!
[05:09] <Kyral> ;P
[05:20] <Yagisan> bbl - kernel update
[05:40] <Kyral> Most impressed with Screen
[05:40] <ajmitch> you're just exploring its wonders?
[05:40] <Kyral> yah
[05:40] <Kyral> I must write a HowTo for it!
[05:41] <Kyral> So others will marvel!
[05:41] <tseng> im sure there are plenty.
[05:41] <Kyral> Yes, but like on the Forums
[05:41] <Kyral> or in the Wiki
[05:41] <StevenK> ajmitch: Jeez, why are you up?
[05:41] <ajmitch> StevenK: dunno
[05:41] <ajmitch> probably because I slept a bit in the afternoon
[05:41] <StevenK> I slept until midday, and now I can't get to sleep.
[05:42] <ajmitch> which is basically what I did
[05:56] <psusi> lol... good old screen ;)
[05:56] <Kyral> hmm
[05:56] <psusi> I don't think I've used that in several years
[05:57] <Kyral> how can I startup another app?
[05:57] <Kyral> in screen?
[05:57] <psusi> what I'd like is a gui version of screen
[05:57] <Kyral> lol
[05:57] <Kyral> hmm
[05:57] <tseng> ctrl + a c
[05:57] <Kyral> PROJECT INDEED!
[05:57] <tseng> ctrl + a n to tab between windows
[05:57] <Kyral> I apologize...I'm a little off...from new years
[05:57] <StevenK> psusi: ratpoison
[05:57] <psusi> I've got a server at work set up to work like a terminal server with vnc
[05:57] <psusi> it would be nice to be able to detach and reattach to a session
[05:57] <Kyral> tseng: I mean an entire new screen, so I can detach it
[05:57] <psusi> hrm.... google time
[05:57] <StevenK> Kyral: C-A d
[05:58] <Kyral> then just fire up another screen?
[05:58] <StevenK> Yup
[05:58] <tseng> you can have more than one terminal in one screen
[05:58] <psusi> Kyral, when you run screen there is a switch to tell it to make a new session instead of attaching to the detached one
[05:58] <tseng> it is painful to have two
[05:58] <tseng> you need to know their ids
[05:58] <Kyral> oh
[05:58] <psusi> but yea... you really don't want two
[05:58] <psusi> just make more windows in the one
[05:59] <Kyral> I just wanna fire up bittornado and detach it immeadiatly
[05:59] <tseng> screen bittornado
[05:59] <tseng> C-A D
[05:59] <tseng> done.
[06:00] <Kyral> but first detach Irssi?
[06:00] <tseng> we just told you
[06:00] <tseng> C-A C make a new window
[06:00] <Kyral> sorry....
[06:00] <tseng> run whatever you want in it
[06:00] <tseng> C-A N back to irssi
[06:01] <psusi> StevenK, that's just a window manager
[06:01] <psusi> doesn't allow you to detach from the session
[06:02] <Kyral> well...I think we should write one
[06:02] <Kyral> at least for individual GUI apps
[06:03] <StevenK> C-A 0 back to irssi, too
[06:03] <tseng> or C-A A
[06:03] <tseng> if you are into that kind of thing
[06:03] <StevenK> C-A A just ends up confusing me. :-P
[06:03] <tseng> its like "last channel" on your tv remote
[06:03] <tseng> handy
[06:03] <StevenK> Yes, but then my brain breaks.
[06:04] <ajmitch> I find it very useful
[06:04] <ajmitch> Kyral: NX
[06:04] <Kyral> ajmitch: I'm using it :P
[06:05] <Kyral> ajmitch: but NX doesn't allow you to Detach like that
[06:05] <ajmitch> it does
[06:05] <Kyral> FreeNX?
[06:05] <ajmitch> at least detaching from a desktop
[06:06] <tseng> there is such a thing?
[06:07] <tseng> i could have used that on alioth awhile back
[06:07] <StevenK> tseng: Are you refering to svn-pdebuild?
[06:07] <tseng> yes.
[06:07] <StevenK> svn-buildpackage --svn-builder pdebuild
[06:07] <StevenK> That's what the alias was.
[06:07] <tseng> ah right
[06:10] <siretart> ajmitch: re: qemu, please go on, I'm away for a week beginning tomorrow.
[06:10] <StevenK> Oh, I'm going to kill Rocco Caputo
[06:11] <StevenK> steven@broken:~/debian/trunk/libpoe-perl% dpkg --compare-versions "2:0.33-1" gt "2:0.3202-1"
[06:11] <StevenK> zsh: exit 1
[06:11] <siretart> ajmitch: the only change afair are 2 packages moved from depends to recommends in order to get qemu installable in ubuntu. jbailey talked to Guillome, he intends to change that in debian on the next upload
[06:14] <ajmitch> siretart: ok, I already uploaded anyway, he'll need to do another upload to fix the FTBFS on multiple platforms
[06:14] <ajmitch> but I tested that it works fine on i386
[06:15] <siretart> great! :)
[06:15] <ajmitch> StevenK: broken upstream versioning?
[06:15] <ajmitch> siretart: I've done about 5 uploads & have 6 to sync now :)
[06:15] <ajmitch> so I'm about 10% of the way to catching up with others
[06:15] <StevenK> ajmitch: Yup.
[06:16] <minghua> StevenK: 2:0.3300, perhaps?
[06:16] <StevenK> Ugh.
[06:16] <siretart> ajmitch: as I have a DD here: I've got a bugreport on one of my package that it FTBFS on 64bit arches. I (and upstream too) know that aspectc++ doesn't work at all on 64bit platforms anyway
[06:16] <ajmitch> ok..
[06:16] <minghua> or maybe 3:0.33, since you are already using epoch...
[06:16] <ajmitch> which DD are you wanting to ask? :)
[06:16] <StevenK> minghua: What I'm thinking.
[06:16] <siretart> ajmitch: should I live with the FTBFS on 64bit arches or should I rather restrict the 'arches' in debian/control
[06:16] <siretart> ?
[06:16] <StevenK> If he does it again, like 0.3302, I'll do 0.33.02
[06:17] <ajmitch> I'd restrict archs & get the bugs fixed
[06:17] <ajmitch> no point having the buildds waste resources :)
[06:17] <ajmitch> StevenK may have a different view :)
[06:18] <StevenK> If you restrict arches, it makes it hard to get it out of Not-For-Us.
[06:18] <siretart> well, in principle it is a bug in the package, and upstream is working on 64bit support. so in principle I think it should be arch: any.
[06:18] <siretart> even if I would/could fix the FTBFS, I'm pretty sure it would just segfault on calling it
[06:18] <ajmitch> StevenK: that's what I was wondering
[06:19] <siretart> that was the behavior in an earlier version on amd64
[06:39] (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) StevenK: volunteer if you want ;)
[06:39] (StevenK/#ubuntu-motu) That's not much of a hint. :-)
[06:39] <ajmitch> hey, it's nearly 7AM here :)
[06:39] <StevenK> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
[06:40] <StevenK> tests/30_loops/10_select/wheel_run..................pty_allocate(nonfatal): getpt(): No such file or directory at /usr/lib/perl5/IO/Pty.pm line 24.
[06:40] <Kyral> Should somoene do a MOTUSchool on PBuilder?
[06:40] <StevenK> pty_allocate(nonfatal): open(/dev/ptmx): No such file or directory at /usr/lib/perl5/IO/Pty.pm line 24.
[06:40] <tseng> Kyral: no.
[06:40] <ajmitch> sigh
[06:40] <ajmitch>   * Don't build python2.?-pyx packages, just build for the current python.
[06:40] <ajmitch> if only this worked right
[06:40] <ajmitch> it still has python2.3 hardcoded in 1 makefile
[06:48] <psusi> is there somewhere I can read about how dpkg-reconfigure works?
[06:48] <jpatrick> psusi: it's man page?
[06:49] <psusi> I was hoping more for a howto oriented towards newbie motu types ;)
[07:48] <jpatrick> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1350 ?
[09:05] <bmonty> Kyral: ping
[09:22] <Kyral> bmonty: pong
[09:23] <bmonty> Kyral: did you finish the merge on alsaplayer?
[09:23] <Kyral> I think someone else took it over
[09:23] <bmonty> yeah, I'm going to upload it
[09:23] <Kyral> something like it involved a transition
[09:23] <Kyral> but that was like a couple months ago...almost forgot
[09:24] <Kyral> lemme look at it again
[09:26] <bmonty> Kyral: nevermind, the merge is done but the bug was never closed
[09:27] <Kyral> ah
[09:27] <Kyral> yah I knew someone took it off my hands
[09:29] <bmonty> I took care of it
[09:29] <Kyral> no, I meant merging ;P
[09:31] <bmonty> oh, well if you can make packages (and I see one of yours just got uploaded, so I'm assuming you can) you can merge :)
[09:33] <Kyral> Yah EasyChem got in, just waiting for it to go through the NEW process :D
[09:37] <Kyral> never actually learned the merge process ;P
[09:37] <bmonty> MoM usually handles most of it, you just have to make sure it did the right thing
[09:37] <Kyral> ah
[09:38] <Kyral> hmm....need to kill off two screen consoles...
[09:39] <bmonty> hey slomo
[09:42] <Kyral> Actually....I have another package to work on lol
[09:44] <Kyral> This time with a responsive upstream! HOORAY!
[09:47] <Kyral> EasyChem got the source accepted :D
[09:48] <siretart> grats Kyral
[09:50] <Kyral> ty
[09:52] <slomo_> hi bmonty :)
[09:53] <Kyral> now I gotta start working on yamysqlfront
[09:54] <Kyral> oh wait...upstream said he was about to release a new version soon with major bugfixes
[09:54] <Kyral> I should hold off...
[10:03] <slomo_> siretart: oh, ac++ was accepted :) congrats
[10:04] <siretart> slomo_: thanks. but I've already got 2 bugs on it, working on a fix right now
[10:13] <Kyral> hey Corey
[10:30] <\sh> happy new year :)
[10:31] <bmonty> hi \sh
[10:31] <siretart> happy new year \sh!
[10:31] <\sh> working on scourge :)
[10:32] <\sh> siretart: http://scourge.sourceforge.net/
[10:32] <\sh> siretart: it's on the MOTUGames want to have list :)
[10:32] <siretart> cool :)
[10:39] <\sh> siretart: and I found my ubergame :) elite for linux...which is called "oolite" :)
[10:39] <\sh> siretart: opensource objective-c .. i have to find out if it's using gnustep and if it's buildable somehow :)
[10:40] <\sh> siretart: http://oolite.aegidian.org/
[10:41] <siretart> \sh: I already had a look at it and tried to build it
[10:41] <\sh> siretart: well..it's CCL and looks like not for ubuntu
[10:41] <siretart> \sh: In fact, I managed to build it and played a bit with it. I don't think it is ready for packageing, but nevertheless, it has the potential to become a really good descendent of the original elite :)
[10:42] <siretart> CCL?
[10:42] <\sh> siretart: well i just installed the binary version...and it plays like the original one...a little bit more simulation and new graphics, but the rest is nice..so I don't habe to install VICE anymore :)
[10:44] <bmonty> I like Battlefront II on XBox :)
[10:47] <\sh> I think i have to go over happypenguins und start packaging all the nice games :) vultureeyes and vultureclaw are next :)
[10:47] <Kyral> lol
[10:47] <markuman> o ha, i think ill need for scourge fglrx drivers or an nvidia card :-/
[10:47] <Kyral> Leave some for me!
[10:47] <siretart> \sh: I think there are some differences to the original gameplay. I'd rather play it in my uae. but if upstream gets some other nuisances out, and adds the feature to increase the speed of the time.. that would really make the game rock hard
[10:47] <Burgundavia> Kyral, http://galaxymage.org/
[10:48] <Kyral> hmm
[10:48] <Kyral> Okay
[10:48] <Burgundavia> Kyral, python and already runs on dapper and breezy
[10:48] <Kyral> yah just have to throw it in a Deb
[10:49] <Kyral> First time doing a Python program
[10:49] <Kyral> why does the name Colin McMillen sound familier?
[10:50] <\sh> siretart: sure :)
[10:56] <Kyral> hmm should I do this cdbs?
[10:57] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[10:57] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[10:57] <\sh> happy new year :)
[10:57] <ajmitch> happy new year ;)
[10:58] <ajmitch> so I can get back to fixing
[10:58] <Kyral> hmm
[10:58] <Kyral> anyone know a good template for Python packages?
[10:59] <\sh> hmm...strange
[10:59] <\sh> in a chroot it builds but not in pbuilder
[10:59] <\sh> grmpf
[10:59] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:00] <ajmitch> manual doesn't want to generate with python 2.4's mkhowto
[11:00] <Kyral> Corey I'll work on the package.