[03:01] <mobomelter> does*
[03:01] <catid> patch -p1 < blah.patch
[03:01] <neozen> mobomelter: no worries... at least it knows its a wireless card
[03:01] <genii> llol see catid's reply
[03:01] <llol> ok
[03:02] <llol> hopefully it works
[03:02] <mobomelter> yeah i can get as far as telling it an ssid
[03:02] <mobomelter> but it won't associate
[03:02] <neozen> mobomelter: ok... type the following: sudo aptitude install network-manager-gnome
[03:02] <HP_Administrator> I cant PM im not registered
[03:02] <neozen> mobomelter: you are on a box w/ a gui right?
[03:02] <atoponce> HP_Administrator: back
[03:02] <HP_Administrator> k
[03:02] <atoponce> HP_Administrator: sorry, had to talk with the wife. :)
[03:02] <catid> mobomelter: if you run this in a terminal it might help: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[03:02] <neozen> HP_Administrator: type /query nicktopm
[03:03] <neozen> HP_Administrator: that'll do for now
[03:03] <catid> mobomelter: the wpa_supplicant and friends write to that
[03:03] <atoponce> HP_Administrator: so, anyway
[03:03] <mobomelter> gave me an error that says it couldn't find a package whose name or description matched
[03:03] <HP_Administrator> So wat do you have for me
[03:03] <neozen> !network-manager-gnome
[03:03] <atoponce> HP_Administrator: is it a specific model computer (dell, hp) or custom built?
[03:03] <ubotu> network-manager-gnome: network management framework (GNOME frontend). In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.3-2ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 245 kB, installed size 1608 kB
[03:03] <catid> mobomelter: it helped me debug a problem with the same wireless card you have.. though i chose to build the drivers myself instead of using the shipped packages
[03:03] <intelikey> Question;  i can't sudo, and need to copy one file owned by someone else, i have read access to it, but need to preserve ownership.   can it be done ?
[03:03] <HP_Administrator> hp
[03:03] <laley> alguien que hable espaniol?
[03:03] <neozen> catid: strange... the drivers worked perfect in dapper
[03:04] <atoponce> HP_Administrator: what model? reason i ask, is you might have to pass a kernel option at boot
[03:04] <atoponce> laley: english please
[03:04] <mobomelter> i can get to nerwork manager already though
[03:04] <catid> neozen: i'm sure they do.. but i don't use your kernel
[03:04] <neozen> catid: why would they break them in edgy?
[03:04] <mobomelter> in admnistration
[03:04] <HP_Administrator> a1473w
[03:04] <mobomelter> network tools at least
[03:04] <neozen> laley: go to #ubuntu-es
[03:04] <tekteen> no hablamos espanol. lo siento
[03:04] <mobomelter> and networking
[03:04] <neozen> laley: type /join #ubuntu-es
[03:04] <catid> neozen: i use Feisty
[03:05] <atoponce> HP_Administrator: doing a google search for that model comp and ubuntu on it...
[03:05] <HP_Administrator> ok
[03:05] <neozen> catid: hmm... then I wonder why they broke them in feisty
[03:05] <Wyld> can someone tell me the kernal version in Feisty Beta1?
[03:05] <neozen> catid: lol
[03:05] <catid> neozen: they probably didn't.. i just chose to build my own kernel
[03:05] <Wyld> s/kernal/kernel
[03:05] <arpegius> anyone get this error when trying to install torrentflux? ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[03:05] <neozen> Wyld: uname  should tell you htat
[03:05] <arpegius> i definitely have the root password right...
[03:05] <Wyld> neozen, if I had it installed, correct
[03:05] <mobomelter> so neozen whats my next move?
[03:06] <Wyld> I need to know the version .. to see if it works with *any* Intel 965 mobo
[03:06] <Jon_yoosic> Thanks for help with my DVD problem, turned out to be the old drive in it
[03:06] <neozen> mobomelter: well... when you tried to install network-manager-gnome it said no package found correct?
[03:06] <mobomelter> yes
[03:06] <atoponce> HP_Administrator: not getting any solid results. i have one guess, though:
[03:06] <llol> i have this problem were ubuntu is on raid and is telling me that
[03:06] <HP_Administrator> I'm all ears buddy
[03:06] <neozen> mobomelter: run the following: nm-applet
[03:06] <Wyld> From reading the bugtracker .. I need 2.6.20-13
[03:06] <neozen> mobomelter: something should show up near your clock
[03:06] <llol> tty cant be accessed job control turned off
[03:06] <mobomelter> sudo nm-applet?
[03:07] <neozen> mobomelter: shouldn't need to sudo
[03:07] <atoponce> HP_Administrator: when booting, pass 'linux nolapic' and see what you get
[03:07] <llol> some one mentioned that initramfs is racing
[03:07] <neozen> mobomelter: network-manager handles all the necessary sudoing
[03:07] <intelikey> llol you need to rebuild your initramfs.img
[03:07] <atoponce> HP_Administrator: see if it still freezes
[03:07] <mobomelter> not found
[03:07] <llol> hows that done?
[03:07] <neozen> damn!
[03:07] <neozen> lol
[03:07] <HP_Administrator> Thanks, could Hyperthreading be an issue at all, just curious?
[03:07] <neozen> doh
[03:07] <DM> OMG hilarious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkFQVcl62qo
[03:07] <llol> got any leads for me
[03:07] <LjL> !enter
[03:07] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:07] <mobomelter> i want to stab my computer but anyways
[03:08] <catid> http://pbx.mine.nu/artwork/meinsweeper.jpg
[03:08] <neozen> mobomelter: is this box connected to the net
[03:08] <AlexSFBay> Can anyone comment on why one would go with 6.10 instead of 6.06 for an Ubuntu Web Server?
[03:08] <mobomelter> i downloaded the driver from intel for linux
[03:08] <neozen> mobomelter: via wired?
[03:08] <atoponce> HP_Administrator: possible. maybe download the server install, then if it installs 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[03:08] <mobomelter> right now i'm on a windows machine
[03:08] <neozen> mobomelter: I'm telling you.. you shouldn't have to get the driver
[03:08] <mobomelter> with my laptop sitting next to me
[03:08] <Chicory> Does anyone know a way to copy the settings of a Linksys router without resetting?
[03:08] <atoponce> HP_Administrator: that will get you the ubuntu gui
[03:08] <neozen> mobomelter: its already in the kernel
[03:08] <HP_Administrator> alright I appreciate the help thank you
[03:08] <mobomelter> i know but its not working
[03:08] <neozen> mobomelter: plug the laptop into a wired connection
[03:08] <intelikey> llol sudo mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` `uname -r`
[03:08] <mobomelter> i have the driver downloaded already
[03:09] <tjs> how can I tell if I'm running the 'server' kernel or the regular one on a given ubuntu edgy machine?
[03:09] <neozen> mobomelter: its not that simple mon... in order to install that driver... you'd have to recompile your kernel
[03:09] <llol> just run that command?
[03:09] <atoponce> Chicory: dnsstuff.com
[03:09] <neozen> mobomelter: not an easy process for newbies
[03:09] <intelikey> llol yes. you have to get the system booted first.
[03:09] <mobomelter> i understand
[03:09] <neozen> mobomelter: and completely unnecessary with this card
[03:09] <llol> yeah it tends to boot randomly
[03:09] <mobomelter> problem is my desktop is also wireless
[03:09] <llol> after a few starts
[03:09] <AlexSFBay> Which server version to go with -- Ubuntu server 6.10 or 6.06? What's the difference?
[03:09] <llol> im on it right now
[03:10] <neozen> mobomelter: type lsmod |grep "ipw3945"
[03:10] <Chicory> Thank you very much, atoponce.
[03:10] <atoponce> Chicory: np
[03:10] <mobomelter> so i don't have any wires here
[03:10] <intelikey> llol if you must use a livecd and chroot into the installed system   in which case yse the fersion number from  ls /lib/modules
[03:10] <neozen> mobomelter: it should spit out a line
[03:10] <mobomelter> nothing
[03:10] <llol> ok so in my case i have it as raid0
[03:10] <llol> md1
[03:11] <intelikey> llol oh sorry missed the "<llol> im on it right now"
[03:11] <mobomelter> right back to the prompt
[03:11] <genii> AlexSFBay: I'm running 6.06 on a couple production systems but I don't think I'd switch mine to 6.10 yet
[03:11] <llol> hehe
[03:11] <llol> yeah i ran that in the terminal
[03:11] <llol> that other command u gave me
[03:11] <neozen> AlexSFBay: I'm running 6.10 on a production system with no security issues
[03:11] <AlexSFBay> thanks genii -- what's the difference between the two? Is there any benefit in going with 6.10?
[03:11] <catid> genii: why?
[03:11] <intelikey> it "should" fix the boot issue.
[03:11] <llol> what exactly happens that is has to get rebuilt that way
[03:11] <Death_Sargent> i am running 6.10 as production system
[03:12] <Death_Sargent> and i lost all my files
[03:12] <neozen> AlexSFBay: though... I've got a firewall in front of it and only thing that goes to it is ssh and apache
[03:12] <Death_Sargent> my dumbass fucked up my initramfs
[03:12] <atoponce> Death_Sargent: language. keep it clean please
[03:12] <neozen> AlexSFBay: advantage of running edgy is more up to date packages
[03:12] <Death_Sargent> aight
[03:12] <h3h_timo> should installing the drivers for an ati card work the same way in feisty fawn than it does in edgy?
[03:12] <AlexSFBay> thanks neozen
[03:12] <catid> i thought Ubuntu was more for desktop usage..  wouldn't something like NetBSD be more suited for a server platform?
[03:12] <intelikey> so nobody knows   if i can't sudo, and need to copy a file owned by someone else, which i have read access to, but need to preserve ownership and permissions.   how can it be done ?
[03:13] <genii> AlexSFBay: Main advantage of 6.06 is LTS. Then there were also some changes made in 6.10 which were not advantageous for me, I needed some drivers which only seemed to compile under 6.06 for instance
[03:13] <mobomelter> neozen i can find a way to plug directly into the router but my problem is i won't be able to use mirc
[03:13] <bruenig> intelikey, you can sudo cp it
[03:13] <atoponce> vorian: word
[03:13] <intelikey> bruenig ^
[03:13] <neozen> mobomelter: .....................?
[03:13] <neozen> mobomelter: how's that?
[03:13] <vorian> werd atoponce :)
[03:13] <genii> catid See above for my answer to your question also :)
[03:13] <mobomelter> hold on 24 is on
[03:13] <intelikey> bruenig i'll repost
[03:13] <AlexSFBay> I guess if you want cutting-edge the LTS is probably not the way to go in the long run
[03:13] <intelikey> so nobody knows   if i can't sudo, and need to copy a file owned by someone else, which i have read access to, but need to preserve ownership and permissions.   how can it be done ?
[03:13] <bruenig> intelikey, oh I thought you were saying that somebody told you that you couldn't sudo it
[03:13] <mobomelter> let me try switching upstairs for that
[03:13] <mobomelter> brb
[03:14] <bruenig> intelikey, can you su into the other user?
[03:14] <catid> genii: ah i see
[03:14] <intelikey> bruenig no
[03:14] <neozen> intelikey: well... you have read access... you should just be able to copy if you have read access
[03:14] <jacob> I've got a problem with with my screen resolution in Ubuntu. Could someone help me out?
[03:14] <AlexSFBay> This IRC channel is just zooming along -- cool
[03:14] <neozen> !resolution
[03:14] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:14] <intelikey> neozen yes but the ownership changes
[03:14] <neozen> AlexSFBay: oh yeah.... its like this all the time
[03:15] <jacob> thanks
[03:15] <bruenig> intelikey, cp -p
[03:15] <intelikey> bruenig doesn't work the ownership changes
[03:15] <Chicory> atoponce, this DNS lookup service is bar none.
[03:16] <atoponce> Chicory: nice, eh? you can troubleshoot a lot with that site
[03:16] <AlexSFBay> Anyone running Django on their production server?
[03:16] <bruenig> intelikey, cp --preserve[=all]
[03:16] <atoponce> AlexSFBay: yeah. we are
[03:16] <Chicory> atoponce: Yes, oh yes.  I fully intend on doing so.  Tech support is being a real pain ... :S
[03:16] <fak3r> anyone know how to get rdesktop to talk to XP?  I have my work laptop (xp), rdp is on, but rdesktop can't reach it
[03:16] <intelikey> bruenig doesn't work the ownership still changes
[03:16] <arpegius> how come i get this when trying to set the mysql password on an out of the box ubuntu install? error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[03:17] <Hansel> I am trying to run Privoxy (private proxy) on port 8118.  When I try to load it the daemon fails and says  Privoxy(b7e3a6b0) Fatal error: can't bind to <IP_ADDRESS>:8118: There may be another Privoxy or some other proxy running on port 8118.  However, I have nothing else that I can determine configured for port 8118.  When I netstat -an I see <IP_ADDRESS> listening on 8118 but that is it.  Is there a way to kill off that tcp connection to te
[03:17] <Hansel> st it?
[03:17] <bruenig> intelikey, um, cp --preserve[=ownership]  (but the other one should have worked too)
[03:17] <intelikey> bruenig seems that -p --preserve only works for root
[03:17] <kikkymonk> I am having trouble getting flash to work.  I need a either [Godly secure, or not worth the very small risk] ?
[03:17] <intelikey> bruenig no
[03:18] <Hansel> Sayers - apache can be very secure... it's all in the configuration.
[03:18] <atoponce> AlexSFBay: introplay.com is running django with mod-python in apache
[03:18] <AlexSFBay> I'll check it out - atoponce
[03:18] <atoponce> cool
[03:18] <AlexSFBay> No demo?
[03:18] <neozen> I think I've figured out what mobo's problem is
[03:18] <atoponce> AlexSFBay: not yet. april 30 is launch date. :)
[03:19] <Hansel> How can I determine what daemon is sitting on port 8118 so I can kill it off?  I am trying to run privoxy on that port...
[03:19] <atoponce> AlexSFBay: you can sign up... :)
[03:19] <AlexSFBay> oh, cool -- good luck
[03:19] <atoponce> thx
[03:19] <AlexSFBay> is it free?
[03:19] <Sayers> Hansel: Would it be safer to just pay the 10 a month for a decent 24/7 host. I am not a man of risk :s
[03:19] <intelikey> bruenig i even tried  tar -c /home/joe/file44 - | tar -x -    it still changes the ownership
[03:19] <atoponce> AlexSFBay: yeah
[03:19] <atoponce> 100%
[03:19] <AlexSFBay> Most of these services have subscription fees
[03:19] <bruenig> intelikey, I was about to suggest tar but thought that a bit much
[03:19] <AlexSFBay> nice
[03:19] <Hansel> Sayers - yeah... definitely much easier to do that than worry about maintaining the site and the infrastructure.  :)
[03:19] <neozen> early kernels for edgy and dapper didn't have proper support for ipw3945 compiled in
[03:19] <bruenig> intelikey, well tar -cp perhaps
[03:20] <atoponce> AlexSFBay: we may do subscription in the future. hard to tell at this point, though
[03:20] <Hansel> Sayers - I recommend godaddy.com... if you want ASP or PHP sites they have all the utils and stuff you need and maintain good uptimes.
[03:20] <bruenig> p preserve permissions
[03:20] <atoponce> AlexSFBay: but, we'll always have a free service
[03:20] <Bsims> I am trying to rip a CD with konq and it is screaming I don't have permissions to the device...
[03:20] <atoponce> anyway, </topic>
[03:20] <AlexSFBay> Anyone have an off-the-shelf laptop that works well running Ubuntu
[03:21] <fak3r> AlexSFBay: Dell Lattiude D620
[03:21] <InvisiblePinkUni> Hansel: try netstat
[03:21] <AlexSFBay> I'll give it a look
[03:21] <AlexSFBay> I'm kind of interested in the HP nx7300
[03:21] <Hansel> InvisiblePinkUni, I use netstat -an and it says <IP_ADDRESS> is listening on 8118... how can I figure out what that is and how can I kill it off?
[03:21] <AlexSFBay> Price is right
[03:21] <neozen> Hansel: anything you recommend changing from the way apache is configured by default when installing from the repos for edgy?
[03:21] <AlexSFBay> seems to compatible for the most part
[03:21] <kikkymonk> Can anyone help with with flash? I've enable multiverse and installed flashplayer nonfree and restarted my browser but it still isn't working?
[03:21] <mobomelter> neozen
[03:21] <mobomelter> i'm back
[03:21] <intelikey> bruenig no.  it's not in how tar makes the archive.  i did  tar -cf testing /home/joe/file44   and used mc to look inside the archive the ownership and perms are correct inside the archive,  it's in the actual file creation on the users home dir that the ownership gets changed
[03:22] <neozen> mobomelter: welcome back
[03:22] <neozen> mobomelter: I take it your laptop is plugged in now?
[03:22] <mobomelter> yeah had to go upstairs sorry
[03:22] <Sayers> Hansel: Well since you know networking, In my programming to cut server costs, I want to use UDP networking for the mini-multiplayer [2 player games maybe a few more people]  Then send the information those two clients compile to the database. Is that a vulnerable network to cheating?
[03:22] <mobomelter> yes
[03:22] <mobomelter> i'm online
[03:22] <neozen> mobomelter: type uname -a on the terminal
[03:22] <bruenig> intelikey, hmmm
[03:22] <Hansel> neozen - for performance yeah... :)  For security nah... depending on your approach iptables and the httpd configs should work hand in hand.
[03:22] <AlexSFBay> kikkymonk: first time getting flash to work or just trying to upgrade to 9
[03:22] <neozen> mobomelter: and tell me what it says
[03:22] <intelikey> bruenig i'm at my wits end on this one...
[03:22] <mobomelter> ok
[03:22] <kikkymonk> AlexSFBay: first time
[03:22] <neozen> Hansel: the performance recommendations couldn't hurt
[03:23] <Hansel> Sayers - you will want to encrypt the udp traffic so they can't inject traffic to cheat  :)
[03:23] <Jon_yoosic> I need some pointers for using AcidRip, particularly tuning file size and framerate etc. Is there a more specific channel that I can ask in?
[03:23] <bruenig> intelikey, why would you need to do this
[03:23] <AlexSFBay> (related) How's video stuff working out?
[03:23] <neozen> Hansel: the box that runs it 's sole purpose is to run apache
[03:23] <mobomelter> it says Linux ubuntu1337 2.6.17-generic #2 SMP then the date
[03:23] <intelikey> bruenig uhhh cause it can't be done ?
[03:23] <AlexSFBay> kikkymonk: can you play videos
[03:23] <neozen> Hansel: its a pentium III with 384 mb ram
[03:23] <Chicory> Be right back.
[03:23] <Chicory> (Stupid router.  >:E)
[03:23] <kikkymonk> AlexSFBay: yeah movies run fine
[03:24] <neozen> Hansel: no great beastie this, but all it has to do is serve out distros
[03:24] <InvisiblePinkUni> Hansel: sorry not sure how thats done...
[03:24] <Hansel> neozen - are you using any scripting languages?
[03:24] <Hirvinen> Amaranth: Some identity issues?
[03:24] <Sayers> Hansel: Well if I can get it to work it will save me money and in an essence make there time much easier. However atleast one server will be needed to make life easier for all.
[03:24] <neozen> Hansel: no
[03:24] <neozen> Hansel: no scripting on the box
[03:24] <Sayers> Hansel: I am sure that encryption is possible with Java ?
[03:24] <AlexSFBay> Here's what I did to get multimedia working -- including flash
[03:24] <neozen> Hansel: only file serving
[03:24] <AlexSFBay> http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/entry/2663/how-to_get_full
[03:24] <Amaranth> Hirvinen: Something like that
[03:24] <mobomelter> you get that neozen
[03:24] <InvisiblePinkUni> Hansel: was trying to find processid, but ps aux says nothing about ports
[03:24] <Hansel> if you are serving up just plain ol' html as opposed to asp, php, perl, etc then there are a few tweaks... lemme see if I can find you the website I learned from ...
[03:24] <bruenig> intelikey, maybe dd
[03:24] <kikkymonk> AlexSFBay: Cool I'll try that
[03:24] <neozen> mobomelter: run sudo apt-get update
[03:25] <neozen> mobomelter: then sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:25] <neozen> mobomelter: then reboot the box
[03:25] <intelikey> bruenig that's a thought.
[03:25] <rm_you> I can do ssh://user@host:22/path/to/folder on my ubuntu box, but for some reason it doesnt let me with my debian box :( Is this a new to ubuntu thing? or am I probably just missing a package on my debian machine?
[03:25] <rm_you> Ahh, err... That's with nautilus
[03:25] <neozen> mobomelter: then run lsmod |grep "ipw3945" again
[03:26] <mobomelter> alright i'll forget that by the time i reboot
[03:26] <neozen> mobomelter: sans again of course
[03:26] <neozen> mobomelter: lol
[03:26] <AlexSFBay> kikkymonk: It should be as easy as "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[03:26] <neozen> mobomelter: you might not have to.... your card might work by then
[03:26] <mobomelter> we'll see
[03:26] <intelikey> bruenig nope  heh dd don't only changes the owner but perms as well
[03:26] <mobomelter> should i unplug it from the wall after i reboot?
[03:26] <atoponce> rm_you: are you typing that url in the nautilus browser?
[03:26] <neozen> mobomelter: you haven't updated your kernel since installing correct?
[03:27] <rm_you> atoponce: yes
[03:27] <mobomelter> that would be correct
[03:27] <mobomelter> just installed a few minutes ago lol
[03:27] <mobomelter> well about an hour at this point
[03:27] <neozen> mobomelter: yeah... the updates are good for you
[03:27] <bruenig> intelikey, people over at #bash might know
[03:27] <neozen> mobomelter: will take awhile to install
[03:27] <atoponce> rm_you: i'm unaware of what package you would need, but you're aware of Places -> Connect to Server... aren't you?
[03:27] <neozen> mobomelter: though there probably aren't as many updates for edgy as there are for dapper
[03:28] <maja_> newbie (one day usage of ubuntu): it is very stressful
[03:28] <neozen> mobomelter: *were
[03:28] <InvisiblePinkUni> rm_you: try ssh://user@host:/home/user/path/to/file
[03:28] <atoponce> rm_you: you can connect to an ssh server pretty easily with that tool
[03:28] <rm_you> atoponce: yes. that's how I found the syntax for the URL... and it works on my ubuntu machine, but even Places -> Connect to Server doesnt work with ssh under debian
[03:28] <Flannel> maja_: Jumping into an entirely alien environment always is.  Don't worry.  You'll get used to it.
[03:28] <intelikey> bruenig i found it.   ln
[03:28] <atoponce> rm_you: can you ssh in the shell?
[03:28] <rm_you> atoponce: yes
[03:29] <mobomelter> alright my computer isn't terrible slow
[03:29] <neozen> atoponce: ssh username@host
[03:29] <mobomelter> and i can't terribly spell
[03:29] <rm_you> atoponce: and i installed sshfs now, so i will probably just end up using that... I just would like the gnome- connect to server thing to work :(
[03:29] <jg> ok, this latest evolution update in edgy has made evo unusable.  Any one care to help?
[03:29] <InvisiblePinkUni> rm_you: i dont think you need the port number... remove the port number and try
[03:29] <rm_you> InvisiblePinkUni: kk, will do
[03:29] <neozen> mobomelter: yeah... updates help with that
[03:29] <atoponce> rm_you: looking. just a sec
[03:29] <intelikey> bruenig   a hardlink can produce a file in the users home that has the samd ownership and mermissions as the origenal
[03:29] <mobomelter> not with spelling
[03:29] <mobomelter> haha
[03:29] <neozen> mobomelter: you back up?
[03:30] <mobomelter> still installing
[03:30] <neozen> mobomelter: run that lsmod command
[03:30] <neozen> mobomelter: ah
[03:30] <bruenig> intelikey, good to know
[03:30] <neozen> mobomelter: I'll believe it
[03:30] <mobomelter> 70% or so
[03:30] <neozen> mobomelter: broadband right?
[03:30] <neozen> mobomelter: (you'll be there all night otherwise)
[03:30] <rm_you> InvisiblePinkUni: On unbutu box, removing the 22 makes the command look like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which DOES work on ubuntu... still not in debian :/
[03:30] <maja_>  myes. i actually managed to crash ubuntu, and then reinstall it manually configurate the refresh rate and to use my nfts* hdd...should be enough for a day..feels stressful :Dlol
[03:30] <mobomelter> yes
[03:30] <mobomelter> who still has dial up
[03:30] <mobomelter> lol
[03:30] <neozen> mobomelter: had to update dapper once over 56k
[03:30] <neozen> mobomelter: my grandfather
[03:30] <mobomelter> that probably sucked
[03:31] <neozen> mobomelter: lol... yep
[03:31] <maja_> lol
[03:31] <InvisiblePinkUni> rm_you: remove the 22... but you should have the colon
[03:31] <mobomelter> days or so?
[03:31] <neozen> mobomelter: sudo aptitude upgrade took a week
[03:31] <mobomelter> lol
[03:31] <mobomelter> ouch
[03:31] <rm_you> InvisiblePinkUni: *I* only removed the 22... when i hit go, *IT* removed the colon
[03:31] <neozen> mobomelter: and many, many reconnects
[03:31] <atoponce> rm_you: all i can find is openssh-client. not sure what else would be needed. are you on etch?
[03:31] <rm_you> and it does work without it
[03:31] <rm_you> atoponce: yes
[03:31] <rm_you> I was asking in #debian, not sure why they told me to come here
[03:31] <KalleDK> Anyway I can reset a MySQL database.. think I wrote wrong during the make root password
[03:31] <rm_you> since it WORKS in ubuntu
[03:31] <rm_you> >_<
[03:32] <neozen> mobomelter: you really start to appreciate broadband when doing a package update in dapper
[03:32] <maja_> how many days of ubuntu usage to get out of the newbie level ? hahaha..
[03:32] <mobomelter> i can imagine
[03:32] <atoponce> rm_you: :)
[03:32] <neozen> maja_: 2 weeks
[03:32] <neozen> maja_: everyday
[03:32] <neozen> maja_: and every day... strive to get something else working
[03:32] <Flannel> KalleDK: drop the database, and recreate it.  Or, if you want to completely start over, remove the mysql package (with --purge, or "complete removal" in synaptic) and reinstall
[03:33] <maja_> hehe i'll try
[03:33] <neozen> maja_: that should get you out of newbie status
[03:33] <mobomelter> i have a dual boot system so that should be fun
[03:33] <neozen> mobomelter: so do I.... but I haven't booted into windows in about 6 months
[03:33] <InvisiblePinkUni> rm_you: it doesn't matter what OS you use as long as sshd is running, i think its nautilus that does it.
[03:33] <neozen> mobomelter: I lurve my xubuntu sooo much
[03:34] <pchilds> I just wish to say thanks to those who helped me with the alternate desktop thing. I got Kde up and running as alternate. Not bad. Best of both worlds. Kde or Gnome to choose from. All I can say is wow. Ubuntu rocks.
[03:34] <mobomelter> i play games on my laptop
[03:34] <mobomelter> so i need windows
[03:34] <neozen> pchilds: yes... yes it does
[03:34] <mobomelter> that and my idiot friends who can barely use windows
[03:34] <mobomelter> let alone ubuntu
[03:35] <neozen> mobomelter: and yes.... yes you do
[03:35] <mobomelter> they'd die
[03:35] <{FlickMyBic}> lol
[03:35] <Buggie> can someone please tell me the difference between a standard ISO and an alternate?
[03:35] <{FlickMyBic}> I love my freebsd box
[03:35] <Buggie> I can't for the life of me tell the difference
[03:35] <neozen> mobomelter: just tell them to "poke the glob with the orange thing around it" ... that should give them all they'd need
[03:36] <neozen> *globe
[03:36] <mobomelter> lol
[03:36] <Flannel> Buggie: the Desktop CD is a liveCD, with an installer (once you've booted), the Alt CD is JUST the installer (textmode), can install more stuff (LVM, OEM, etc) and also has a repository of more stuff on it
[03:36] <mobomelter> they basically only use my comp when we lan party
[03:36] <mobomelter> so its just for games
[03:36] <neozen> Buggie: alternate installs on a box with less ram
[03:36] <Buggie> Flannel: thank yo uso much...I appreciate it...
[03:36] <OtakuMark> howdy is there a format by which one can seek ubuntu help or do I just ask? :O
[03:36] <Flannel> Buggie: there is a small repository on the desktop CD, but it only contains a dozen or so packages, ndiswrapper, build-essential, basically the bare minimum people would need to fix networking
[03:36] <rm_you> InvisiblePinkUni: I thought so too >_>
[03:36] <Buggie> neozen: thank you... noted
[03:36] <neozen> Buggie: and the things flannel mentioned
[03:37] <Buggie> Flannel: perfect... i shall be downloading the alternate\
[03:37] <InvisiblePinkUni> rm_you: are you able to ssh from the terminal?
[03:37] <Flannel> Buggie: good choice ;)
[03:37] <neozen> Buggie: desktop works fine for systems with at least 128mb ram
[03:37] <ant-> the live cd is good to test before install
[03:37] <mobomelter> man this is crazy
[03:37] <neozen> mobomelter: what?
[03:37] <neozen> mobomelter: it work now?
[03:38] <Goose> Does anyone know if i'll be able to upgrade to UBuntu 7.04 from Ubuntu 6.06?
[03:38] <mobomelter> no
[03:38] <neozen> mobomelter: lol
[03:38] <mobomelter> how long its taking
[03:38] <rm_you> InvisiblePinkUni: yes
[03:38] <neozen> mobomelter: ...well.. its updating a lot of stuff
[03:38] <mobomelter> true
[03:38] <neozen> mobomelter: most likely the kernel
[03:38] <Flannel> Goose: you'll have to go from 6.06 to 6.10 to 7.04, but yes, there's an upgrade path
[03:38] <pchilds> Good night everyone. Im off to explore kde.
[03:38] <neozen> mobomelter: that takes a while
[03:38] <ant-> !upgrade | Goose
[03:38] <ubotu> Goose: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:38] <InvisiblePinkUni> rm_you: what about atoponce suggestion to use the Gnome - connect to server thing... what happens?
[03:38] <neozen> mobomelter: and one of the only things that requires a reboot in linux
[03:38] <Goose> hm
[03:38] <mobomelter> you'd think they'd distribute the latest copy
[03:38] <neozen> mobomelter: they do
[03:39] <neozen> mobomelter: in the repos
[03:39] <neozen> mobomelter: lol
[03:39] <mobomelter> lol
[03:39] <mobomelter> that wasn't the install
[03:39] <Goose> Thanks Flannel
[03:39] <neozen> mobomelter: updating all those isos.... stored in god knows how many locations.... impossible
[03:39] <InvisiblePinkUni> rm_you: if i remember right, i did connect from nautilus in ubuntu to an OpenBSD box.
[03:39] <Flannel> mobomelter: The CDs get imaged once.  After that, you just update to latest packages.  Redistributing new ISOs, even weekly, would be far too troublesome.
[03:39] <neozen> mobomelter: this is why the repos exist
[03:39] <mobomelter> thats a good point
[03:40] <neozen> mobomelter: yep
[03:40] <mobomelter> holy crap gaim has spell check?
[03:40] <neozen> mobomelter: heck yeah
[03:40] <neozen> mobomelter: that's why I use it for irc
[03:40] <draeath> Anyone know much about Beryl?
[03:40] <Flannel> draeath: #ubuntu-effects for Beryl support, thanks
[03:40] <Toma-> draeath: the folks in #ubuntu-effetcs know everything
[03:40] <neozen> mobomelter: saves me from (mostly) looking like an idiot
[03:40] <mobomelter> anyone run folding at home on their ubuntu box?
[03:40] <Erb_> How do I get Ubuntu to allow GUI applications to open via PHP exec()???
[03:40] <InvisiblePinkUni> gaim is perenially in 2.0.0..... beta's.... that really sucks
[03:40] <draeath> Well i don't need support
[03:41] <draeath> I want to know if i want it...
[03:41] <Flannel> draeath: support/questions/whatnot.
[03:41] <ferret_0567> I am mobomelter
[03:41] <draeath> is it an enhancement to gnome/kde/whatever or a replacement?
[03:41] <draeath> thats all I need
[03:41] <Toma-> draeath: youtube has tons of videos on it. watch and see if you want it
[03:41] <mobomelter> i love folding at home lol
[03:41] <Toma-> draeath: yes
[03:41] <neozen> folding@home
[03:41] <neozen> hmm
[03:41] <InvisiblePinkUni> drewzf: check out wikipedia...
[03:41] <mobomelter> great use of my pc when i'm not using it
[03:41] <draeath> yes to replacement?
[03:41] <hansin321> I hosed all my current (2.6.17-10-generic) files in /boot.  These include: abi, config, initrd.img, System.map, and vmlinuz.  Anyone know where I can download these (I tried searching packages)?
[03:41] <Toma-> draeath: yes.
[03:41] <draeath> Thanks
[03:41] <hansin321> I mean 2.6.17-11
[03:42] <neozen> mobomelter: oh wait... that's that protein folder thing through boinc
[03:42] <Flannel> draeath: It replaces some of the stuff present in gnome/kde.  (the window manager), but you still need to run gnome/kde overtop of them.
[03:42] <mobomelter> yes
[03:42] <Flannel> draeath: Really, they'dbe able to explain it a lot better in #ubuntu-effects.
[03:42] <draeath> ok, thanks
[03:42] <OtakuMark> I downloaded Ubuntu 6.10, burned it to a CD and attempted to install it on my parents machine. When I tell it to install (the first option), it loads for a second and then gives a Kernel Panic error, "invalid compressed format (err=2)". I've tried switching RAM, burning a second CD (at a slower speed), and changed the CD-ROM out as well, none of these methods worked. Anyone familiar with this?
[03:42] <mobomelter> gotta restart
[03:42] <mobomelter> brb
[03:42] <lunaz> hi, i need help to install diablo 2 & xpac with wine...
[03:42] <voidmage> OtakuMark: your parents were okay with this right?
[03:42] <RedRose> How can I change the sudo password. Currently the password sudo accepts is the password of just the user name, how can I change it to the password of root?
[03:43] <Hansel> OtakuMark - are you trying to use the gui installer?  I recommend the minimal install disk for xubuntu that has a commandline install only... easier on resources and less likely to get FUBARd.  You can still install gnome, kde, xfce, etc...
[03:43] <neozen> draeath: if you've seen the videos on youtube... and are fine not having all that flashy stuff and just want a system that WORKS reliably.... you don't need beryl
[03:43] <Goose> Would anyone suggest Upgrading to 7.04 when it comes out?
[03:43] <voidmage> !sudo |redrose
[03:43] <ubotu> redrose: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:43] <OtakuMark> Windows install was dead, install CD for it long gone, not a big deal, just trying to get them a working web machine really.
[03:43] <InvisiblePinkUni> OtakuMark: try checking md5sum first...
[03:43] <neozen> Goose: I plan to
[03:43] <Flannel> Erb_: Why do you want that?
[03:43] <zen> what are the gnome library packages?
[03:43] <Hansel> Goose - depends... for a production workstation probably not.  For a home computer... definitely.  :)
[03:43] <voidmage> RedRose: it's supposed to use your password, not a root password
[03:43] <OtakuMark> I checked the md5sum as well, it checks out
[03:43] <Goose> 7.04 have better security probably
[03:43] <Goose> ?
[03:43] <neozen> Goose: though I plan on backing up my /home and doing a fresh install
[03:43] <voidmage> yeah though, feisty is nice
[03:43] <kjm> Goose - Why wouldn't you :)  If you are running mission critical stuff - maybe not right away.  But, for home desktop - absolutely.
[03:43] <voidmage> beta is pretty stable if you enjoy testing
[03:44] <InvisiblePinkUni> OtakuMark: 6.06 is much more stable in my opinion...
[03:44] <voidmage> i've been using feisty since herd 3
[03:44] <neozen> Goose: dapper will get the same security updates for 3 years from release
[03:44] <voidmage> only crashes have been beryl svn related
[03:44] <Sayers> What would be better a Linux VPS or a Web Host?
[03:44] <neozen> InvisiblePinkUni: yeah.. I run dapper too
[03:44] <InvisiblePinkUni> i've had problems with screen black out while installing 6.10
[03:44] <Goose> Hm
[03:44] <neozen> InvisiblePinkUni: me too
[03:44] <OtakuMark> I'm downloading it right now, that's the only thing I haven't tried, although a different version altogether is pretty odd to me
[03:44] <Goose> Anyone try 7.04 beta?
[03:44] <Flannel> Goose: #ubuntu+1 has lots of people.
[03:44] <neozen> Goose: check out that channel
[03:44] <Goose> i did
[03:45] <neozen> Goose: ok
[03:45] <Goose> Thanksl
[03:45] <Goose> -l
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Goose: 7.04 is shaping up pretty nicely
[03:45] <Ademan> does anyone have some numbers on the percentage of servers running linux?
[03:45] <neozen> mobomelter: how goes the update?
[03:45] <Erb_> Flannel - I am building a application for my business and I really, REALLY, need to execute MPlayer from my browser.
[03:45] <neozen> Ademan: its high
[03:45] <InvisiblePinkUni> neozen: 6.06 is good enough for normal home user in my opinion
[03:45] <kjm> Goose - I have it running on another partition.  Works well.  As well as edgy I would say.  No major hiccups etc. that I've run accross yet.
[03:45] <neozen> Ademan: well above 50%
[03:45] <Frog29> hello, does anyone know a program for accessing my linux partition from windows?
[03:45] <Hansel> Ademan - www.netcraft.com can give you info about webservers...
[03:45] <Goose> Good good
[03:45] <Frog29> ext3
[03:45] <Ademan> thanks Hansel
[03:45] <neozen> Ademan: and last I checked ... around 75%
[03:45] <Hansel> Ademan - as for servers in all corporations that may or may not be connected to the internet that is anyones guess.
[03:46] <thoreauputic> Ademan: about 65 % of web seervers run Apache - mostly on Linux or BSD
[03:46] <Ademan> well, all statistics should be taken with a grain of salt
[03:46] <Hansel> Frog29 - google for ext3 Windows mount
[03:46] <Ademan> Frog29: ext2fs
[03:46] <Frog29> k
[03:46] <thoreauputic> Ademan: of course - exactly 2.54333 grains of salt ;p
[03:46] <x_or> Can anyone tell me how to enable postgres within php on apache2?
[03:47] <Marupa_> Is there a way to tell gnome what the default text editor is?
[03:47] <neozen> Marupa_: there should be... I know there is such a thing in xfce
[03:47] <InvisiblePinkUni> Marupa_: yes... you can
[03:47] <Hansel> x_or - you mean the connect string for PHP to connect to a PostgreSQL database and perform SQL queries?
[03:47] <neozen> Marupa_: and they yoinked a lot of ideas from gnome
[03:47] <Frog29> k
[03:47] <InvisiblePinkUni> Marupa_: try edit preferences openwith tab
[03:47] <Marupa_> I want Kate rather than the normal.
[03:47] <Hansel> x_or - I recommend you put a test.php on your site and put this in it... <?php phoinfo(); ?>   <--- that will output all of your PHP configurations.
[03:47] <Flannel> Erb_: hmm.  Well, I'd ask in ##php if I were you.
[03:48] <Hansel> phpinfo(); rather..
[03:48] <kjm> Marupa_ : phew - I though I was the only Ubuntu user who preferred kate
[03:48] <mom> i have a SportBrain pedometer and, of course, the iSync software only runs on windows.  I have gotten it running through wine, but it doesnt seem to want to sync with the pedometer itself (says try changing the battery, etc..)  i am using the HID.dll from an actual windows install simply because it asked for it and thats the only place i know where to get it.  is there a win-specific dll i should be using or something?
[03:48] <Marupa_> kate's waaaaay better than the default.
[03:48] <l90bpm> anyone care to help on editing a partition for a Feisty Fawn install?  I have to do a manual edit to keep feisty from claiming the entire hard drive.  I have 48gigs set aside, (laptop only has 100gig hard drive)  that
[03:48] <Erb_> Flannel - ##PHP is always full
[03:48] <Marupa_> InvisiblePinkUni, Where again?
[03:48] <ant-> Marupa_ : are ya'll talking about fonts?
[03:48] <InvisiblePinkUni> there should be a kate vs gedit editor war ;)
[03:48] <x_or> Hansel: OK, I did that.  What should I look for?
[03:49] <ant-> oh
[03:49] <x_or> Hansel:  I see PostgreSQL listed as a supported database.
[03:49] <Marupa_> ant-, No.  just editors.
[03:49] <ant-> nevermind
[03:49] <InvisiblePinkUni> Marupa_: in Nautilus
[03:49] <Marupa_> Ahh, ok.
[03:49] <mobomelter> alright back
[03:49] <InvisiblePinkUni> rm_you: did you manage to get it working?
[03:49] <Hansel> x_or - I recommend you bookmark php.net and make it your new best friend... start here http://us2.php.net/pg_connect
[03:49] <kjm> InvisiblePinkUni - heh, that would be as nasty as the vi versus emacs.  I love gedit.  But, I always have permissions problems when editing files that are through a mounted ssh share....never have those problems with kate and/or kile
[03:49] <ClinicalMistake> Hey ubuntu Chat! I'm on a sony vaio laptop, and everything works out fine, except for when I try and hook up an external VGA moniter.  Nothing happens at all.  Do yall have any idea why this might be?
[03:50] <x_or> Hansel:  Will do!  :)
[03:50] <rhys> i enabled the root account, and it broke sudo. so i disabled the root account..and sud is still broken
[03:50] <rm_you> InvisiblePinkUni: nope :( compromising by using sshfs to mount it on my desktop
[03:50] <rm_you> with a lot of really annoying command line args
[03:50] <mobomelter> neozen you here?
[03:50] <Hansel> rhys - describe "broken"
[03:50] <x_or> Hansel:  this is really a drupal issue, but I am confused because it says the php extension is not installed, when I think in fact it is.
[03:50] <Hansel> x_or - it may want a very specific version of postgres...
[03:50] <rm_you> Not that *I* don't prefer command line tools, but this is for my roommate who is still learning linux stuff
[03:50] <x_or> Ah, really?
[03:50] <Shadowpillar> kjm: pico owns you
[03:50] <neozen> rhys: lesson one... if something breaks... don't do that then! and if you've truly broken sudo.... time to snag your install disk
[03:50] <Flannel> Marupa_: `update-alternatives --config gnome-text-editor` I believe
[03:50] <Hansel> x_or - have you tried other content management systems?
[03:51] <neozen> mobomelter: yeah... me here
[03:51] <neozen> mobomelter: how's it going?
[03:51] <Shadowpillar> kjm: j/k
[03:51] <Hansel> pico/nano = very good if somebody can't figure out vi, vim, emacs, etc
[03:51] <InvisiblePinkUni> rm_you: these things are frustrating...
[03:51] <mobomelter> alright now what to do?
[03:51] <Shadowpillar> text editor wars are probably the most inane yet most hilarious flame wars on the internet
[03:51] <rhys> neozen: that is absolute bs. Hansel, it doesnt work anymore
[03:51] <neozen> mobomelter: any results with that lsmod |grep "ipw3945" line?
[03:51] <Marupa_> Flannel, What?
[03:51] <genii> ClinicalMistake: Don't you have a key combo on your keyboard that normally selects internal/external/both as output? On my IBM for instance it's FN key (bottom left) and F7
[03:51] <x_or> Hansel:  No, I was interested in trying out drupal.  What do you suggest?
[03:51] <mobomelter> do i need to put it in quotations?
[03:51] <rhys> as in sudo will no longer run any programs.
[03:51] <Hansel> rhys - so if you type sudo su what happens?
[03:51] <Flannel> Marupa_: to choose the default editor.
[03:52] <rhys> Hansel: nothing.
[03:52] <ClinicalMistake> genii: I do and typically they work, but the one to switch moniters doesn't work for some reason
[03:52] <Marupa_> it just says:  There is only 1 program which provides gnome-text-editor.
[03:52] <Hansel> x_or - I write everything from scratch... I have considered trying drupal one of these years but never got around to it.  For some reason I thought all of those content management systems used MySQL though...
[03:52] <rhys> just, nothing. it just gives me a prompt
[03:52] <hansin321> Shadowpillar, what are you talking about?  We all know the best text editor is...
[03:52] <rhys> /etc/sudoers is empty
[03:52] <mobomelter> yes it works
[03:52] <hansin321> ;)
[03:52] <mobomelter> what am i looking for?
[03:52] <Hansel> rhys - touch /etc/sudoers
[03:52] <kjm> Shadowpillar - that is the truth.  I go with the "whatever works for you" argument.  I used to be "Emacs all the way", but the simplicity of gedit etc. has won me over - except for sshfs shares :(
[03:52] <x_or> Hansel:  A lot do use mysql, and usually this is the preference.  I just want to use postgres, and supposedly it is supported.
[03:52] <rhys> Hansel: as in it exists, but there is nothing about my user in it
[03:52] <mom> !wine
[03:52] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:52] <neozen> mobomelter: you're looking for lines like this:
[03:52] <neozen> neozen@darkbeauty:~$ lsmod |grep "ipw3945"
[03:52] <neozen> ipw3945               126620  1
[03:52] <neozen> ieee80211              37064  1 ipw3945
[03:53] <neozen> sorry for the multiline's guys
[03:53] <mobomelter> yes
[03:53] <mobomelter> i see that
[03:53] <mobomelter> different numbers
[03:53] <neozen> awesome
[03:53] <InvisiblePinkUni> Marupa_: try right clicking a text file, properties, open with tab
[03:53] <neozen> doesn't matter
[03:53] <Hansel> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL  <--- put that in there... make sure your user is in the admin group (should be)
[03:53] <mobomelter> so it should work now if i use network admin?
[03:53] <Marupa_> InvisiblePinkUni, that's not setting the default.
[03:53] <neozen> mobomelter: that means the driver's in your kernel.. has found the card... and has loaded properly
[03:53] <neozen> mobomelter: yeah
[03:53] <rhys> Hansel: thats what i need to know.  ill try it
[03:53] <Hansel> rhys - if you cant edit the file you may need to boot to single user mode and do it.
[03:53] <neozen> mobomelter: sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome
[03:54] <neozen> mobomelter: should find it now that you're connected via wired
[03:54] <rhys> Hansel: to use sudo i must be part of the admin group?
[03:54] <Shadowpillar> kjm: yeah
[03:54] <Shadowpillar> kjm: it's like saying "MY HAMMER IS BETTER THAN YOUR HAMMER"
[03:54] <neozen> mobomelter: once its installed, run nm-applet
[03:54] <Hansel> rhys - yes.  :)
[03:54] <mobomelter> alright its installed
[03:54] <Shadowpillar> do the same thing
[03:54] <Shadowpillar> etc
[03:55] <Hansel> rhys - hopefully you dont let any ol' chap use sudo...
[03:55] <neozen> mobomelter: run nm-applet
[03:55] <mobomelter> i did
[03:55] <rhys> Hansel: first useful bit of ubuntu support ive ever had. thank you much. i never use sudo in slackware.
[03:55] <Shadowpillar> the whole arguement follows the whole "My dick is bigger than your dick" policy
[03:55] <neozen> mobomelter: something appeared near your clock yes?
[03:55] <mobomelter> i have two things up there now
[03:55] <rhys> brb, gonna change that in a jiffy.
[03:55] <mobomelter> but yes
[03:55] <Flannel> !sudo | rhys
[03:55] <Hansel> rhys - yes... in ubuntu they recommend you NEVER touch the root account and do everything through sudo.
[03:55] <ubotu> rhys: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:55] <neozen> mobomelter: lol
[03:55] <neozen> mobomelter: ok then
[03:55] <Flannel> rhys: that page has a good deal of information
[03:55] <neozen> mobomelter: you can remove one of them
[03:55] <Hansel> Occasionally if you come from other distros that is a pain and you want to use root... you can sudo -i to start a root shell...
[03:55] <mobomelter> oh sweet
[03:55] <neozen> mobomelter: all you need is one
[03:55] <mobomelter> just click it now
[03:55] <mobomelter> and switch
[03:55] <neozen> mobomelter: yeah
[03:56] <Shadowpillar> it is pretty fun to jump into a random chat and say something against someone's favorite editor, say some quick retorts and when others get involved, sit back and watch the fire
[03:56] <mobomelter> hold on i'm going to try that now
[03:56] <neozen> mobomelter: that's what's so awesome about this card
[03:56] <rhys> Flannel: i know what the damn thing is. i just dont use it. i use root terminals. check out zenwalk if you want an amazingly fast slackware system.
[03:56] <neozen> mobomelter: it supports network manager just fine
[03:56] <InvisiblePinkUni> if you have screen installed, you can do sudo screen and act as root
[03:56] <genii> ClinicalMistake: Is this some Dell 600/620?
[03:56] <Flannel> rhys: right.  It explains more than just what it is.
[03:56] <Hansel> I came from Slackware myself.. I just like apt-get... slapt-get is alright but nothing compares to Ubuntu in terms of overall community support.
[03:56] <Frog29> hello again, i can't decide on any one - is there any widely accepted method to mount an ext3 partion on windows with read write?
[03:57] <neozen> mobomelter: and network-manager-gnome.... is imho the easiest way to do  wireless networking in the gui
[03:57] <Hansel> Frog29 - let me google for you... hold.
[03:57] <rm_you> Does reiserfs have a filesize limit at 4Gb?
[03:57] <Frog29> thanks
[03:57] <neozen> mobomelter: you all set now?
[03:57] <rhys> not to be snappish. its just its so hard to get poweruser/ advanced user support in ubuntu. its not ment for us, but right now i have work to get done and no time to compile everything.
[03:57] <atoponce> rm_you: sorry. had to step away from the computer for a minute. did you get if figured out?
[03:57] <Hansel> Frog29 - http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/03/mount-ext2-or-ext3-partition-in-windows.html
[03:57] <InvisiblePinkUni> rm_you: i think its much bigger limit than 4Gb
[03:57] <neozen> mobomelter: lol... you just had to update your kernel
[03:57] <neozen> mobomelter: completely forgot
[03:57] <rm_you> atoponce: no >_> I ended up using sshfs to mount the machine as a folder on the desktop... it works >_>
[03:57] <Frog29> and do you know if there is any way for it to corrupt linux?
[03:57] <atoponce> rm_you: sshfs is good stuff
[03:58] <nexes> Frog: www.fs-driver.org
[03:58] <Hansel> Frog29 - you always run that risk... a lot less likely than corrupting NTFS from Linux I imagine  :)
[03:58] <atoponce> rm_you: use it all the time
[03:58] <atoponce> rm_you: brb
[03:58] <rhys> Hansel: i personally think zenwalk is better in every aspect save for package support. package support in ubuntu (debian) is so huge.
[03:58] <neozen> mobomelter: that's the first thing you should do after a fresh install of an ubuntu-based distro
[03:58] <rm_you> atoponce: but the command to get that working as it should is REALLY complicated... and it's for my rommate, who is newish to linux
[03:58] <Frog29> good point :)
[03:58] <Hansel> rhys - agreed.  I think Slackware runs much speedier though.  You get bloat with completely binary systems like Ubuntu, RedHat, SuSE...
[03:58] <rm_you> InvisiblePinkUni: k >_> wonder why this keeps stopping my copy at 4gb
[03:58] <neozen> mobomelter: after checking that your repositories haven't been commented out by an install that couldn't connect to the net of course
[03:58] <Hansel> rhys - Slackware and FreeBSD = all I run on servers.
[03:58] <InvisiblePinkUni> rm_you: wikipedia says reiserfs file size limit is 8TiB
[03:59] <neozen> mobomelter: you'll also want to comment out the cdrom in your sources.list file
[03:59] <neozen> mobomelter: you don't need it anymore... your repositories work
[03:59] <InvisiblePinkUni> rm_you: it happened with my fat partition once...
[03:59] <rhys> Hansel: zenwalk is backwards compatible, and has basic support in netpkg (slapt-get) for dependencies..which i dont have much trouble with anyay.
[03:59] <Hansel> yeah.  I come from the old days of linux where you had to manually figure out dependencies.  :)
[03:59] <atoponce> rm_you: hmmm
[03:59] <InvisiblePinkUni> then i formatted it to ext3. but not sure why reiserfs whould stop at 4GB
[03:59] <rhys> Hansel: im realitivly new. my first system was 9.1 slackware
[03:59] <rm_you> InvisiblePinkUni: yeah, i know FAT has a 4gb limit, that's why i thought of it :P
[04:00] <gravemind> hey can anyone help me out with chmod? I'm trying to give the file ~/.dmrc 644 permissions, but it's not working the way I'm trying. Is it "chmod +644 ~/.dmrc" ?
[04:00] <rhys> but as of now, i have to go fix this
[04:00] <rhys> brb
[04:00] <rm_you> Must just be a connection issue and a strange coincidence >_>
[04:00] <Hansel> Anyhow, Ubuntu has it's quirks (especially if you have ever used gentoo and slackware) but once you get used to it I think you'll find it hard to go back.
[04:00] <mbdl> how fo u reinstall a kernal
[04:00] <Hansel> I think mine was Slackware 3.6  :)
[04:00] <neozen> mobomelter: I take it from your silence that you are poking @ nm-applet
[04:00] <neozen> you have fun now
[04:00] <Shadowpillar> can linux support more ram that the motherboard can accept?
[04:00] <Hansel> FordPrefect - you from EFNet?  (FrdPrefct?)
[04:00] <neozen> Shadowpillar: my instincts say #@$@#4 no
[04:00] <Hansel> Shadowpillar, nope.
[04:01] <draeath> Shadowpillar: no... the MB is the be-all end-all of HW support
[04:01] <FordPrefect> no
[04:01] <Hansel> Shadowpillar, software can't get past hardware limitations
[04:01] <harry_> is it possible to plug another network card into my computer without turning it off?
[04:01] <Hansel> harry_ very ill advised to do so...
[04:01] <neozen> Shadowpillar: os's are all limited by what their hardware tells them
[04:01] <draeath> harry_: possible... ive seen it work. Suggested? Heck no.
[04:01] <Shadowpillar> Hansel: I know in some cases it can
[04:01] <Frog29> Darn- both links that  igot here earleir do not support LVM for mounting on windows ext3 partitions
[04:01] <harry_> ok
[04:01] <neozen> Shadowpillar: if your mobo says it only has 24mb ram... then that's how much you have
[04:01] <Shadowpillar> Hansel: such as hard drives
[04:01] <Shadowpillar> I could load a 200 gb hdd in an old PII
[04:01] <draeath> harry_: if you MUST... make sure the ground pins of the PCI bus get connection FIRST!!!
[04:02] <Shadowpillar> when the mobo couldnt support it
[04:02] <neozen> Shadowpillar: well... you CAN
[04:02] <mobomelte1> hey neozen i'm still connected but the icon disappeared
[04:02] <Floatingtrem> hello hello
[04:02] <draeath> Shadowpillar: that's different
[04:02] <Shadowpillar> neozen: no not what I was saying
[04:02] <lubolo> hello
[04:02] <draeath> Shadowpillar: the CPU can still access the drive through programming
[04:02] <Hansel> if you want a STABLE system you should probably stick to hardware specifications and best practices  :)
[04:02] <mbdl> how do u reinstall a kernal
[04:02] <neozen> mobomelte1: lol... ok... well run nm-applet again
[04:02] <mobomelte1> !name mobomelter
[04:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about name mobomelter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:02] <neozen> lol
[04:02] <mobomelte1> hmmmm why did my name change.....
[04:03] <Hansel> mbdl - you mean recompile or you recompiled and want to go back to the old kernel (which you hopefully backed up)?
[04:03] <Shadowpillar> I'm saying is, the mobo on this laptop I have is limited to 160 mb of ram
[04:03] <mobomelte1> i haven't used irc in forever
[04:03] <Shadowpillar> my question is, could I put in 256 and linux recognize it
[04:03] <Shadowpillar> while the mobo doesnt?
[04:03] <draeath> Shadowpillar: No.
[04:03] <neozen> mobomelte1: probably because you disconnected then reconnected
[04:03] <mobomelte1> yeah
[04:03] <mobomelte1> how can i change it any idea?
[04:03] <draeath> type /nick NAME
[04:03] <mbdl> Hansel: well i cant boot from the new one anymore im in the old kernal i want to reinstall the new one
[04:03] <neozen> mobomelte1: there's already a mobomelter in here (since the server hasn't timed you out yet)
[04:03] <Shadowpillar> draeath: k
[04:03] <mobomelte1> bummer
[04:03] <neozen> hey ops... kick mobomelter
[04:03] <Hansel> mbdl - were you getting kernel panics or something with the "new one"?
[04:04] <cchildress> hi all. i'm having a problem with the screensaver app in 7.04
[04:04] <neozen> lol
[04:04] <ClinicalMistak1> Alright, sorry about that
[04:04] <Shadowpillar> because chances are that's a manufacturer limitation :(
[04:04] <mobomelte1> is there an op in here?
[04:04] <draeath> mobomelte1 try /msg nickserv ghost USERNAME PASSWORD
[04:04] <draeath> mobomelte1 that will kick it
[04:04] <atoponce> cchildress: feisty help in #ubuntu+1
[04:04] <Hansel> mbdl - you should probably recompile it and go through the whole process... probably your best bet if the old one gave you trouble.
[04:04] <neozen> draeath: O.o
[04:04] <cchildress> atoponce: thanks!
[04:04] <atoponce> cchildress: np
[04:04] <ClinicalMistak1> I accidently rebooted my computer, strange thing is my moniter works, but my function keys done still
[04:04] <mobomelte1> not registered lol
[04:04] <mobomelte1> i haven't done that yet
[04:04] <neozen> draeath: I suppose its only for registered nicks
[04:04] <draeath> lol
[04:04] <neozen> lol
[04:04] <mbdl> Hansel: i got bable and tsaid something about a sync error to kernal
[04:04] <draeath> guess your stuck till it times out
[04:04] <neozen> good thing I registered
[04:05] <mobomelte1> i need to
[04:05] <mage> anyone running a raid with 1.2 meta data?
[04:05] <mobomelte1> anyways is there a dvd ap built into ubuntu?
[04:05] <draeath> mobomelte1: how's comcast :D
[04:05] <neozen> mobomelte1: yeah
[04:05] <Floatingtrem> I've got Feisty on my computer, and just installed some updates, and after rebooting xserver failed to start up, giving the error "no screens found." I reconfigured it, rebooted, and I got back into gnome, and my nvidia drivers weren't enabled, so i renabled them, and rebooted, only this time i can't get a command prompt without using recovery mode and even with that reconfiguring xserver didn't help
[04:05] <mobomelte1> comcast sucks
[04:05] <francois_> whats the command to just make a file ?
[04:05] <neozen> mobomelte1: bummer dude
[04:05] <atoponce> Floatingtrem: feisty help in #ubuntu+1
[04:05] <Floatingtrem> thanks
[04:05] <atoponce> francois_: 'touch'
[04:05] <atoponce> Floatingtrem: np
[04:05] <neozen> mobomelte1: they rock out here in the nw area of chicago
[04:05] <mobomelte1> hey neozen is there anyway i can keep that icon up there?
[04:05] <mage> also, try startx
[04:06] <neozen> mobomelte1: why'd it disappear?
[04:06] <mobomelte1> no idea
[04:06] <neozen> mobomelte1: did you tell it to remove?
[04:06] <neozen> mobomelte1: that makes it go away
[04:06] <mobomelte1> no
[04:06] <mobomelte1> maybe hold on
[04:06] <neozen> mobomelte1: lol
[04:06] <mobomelte1> whats the command?
[04:07] <neozen> nm-applet
[04:07] <PJkoooop> I inadvertently reformatted my HD with the Ubuntu setup
[04:07] <tjs> I'm setting up a DomU image for xen, I have int mounted and have the debbootstrap created the os inside it from edgy.. how can I add a user to it without booting it? ie: manually editing /etc/passwd on the image?
[04:07] <PJkoooop> fortunately I back up my data
[04:07] <mobomelte1> its back now
[04:07] <neozen> mobomelte1: yep
[04:07] <mobomelte1> but how do i make it stay up there when i reboot
[04:07] <draeath> tjs: you can't chroot into it?
[04:07] <tjs> draeath: aahh great idea
[04:07] <tjs> ty
[04:07] <neozen> mobomelte1: add it to autostarted applications perhaps
[04:07] <PJkoooop> Anyone know a lot about the partitioner that comes with the Ubuntu setup?
[04:08] <neozen> mobomelte1: might be under system -> settings or some such
[04:08] <mobomelte1> lol
[04:08] <draeath> :D   - i figured out how to boot an ISO with grub. I'm happy now... altough i still have to extract the initrd and vmlinuz first
[04:08] <neozen> mobomelte1: can't say for sure since I run xfce
[04:08] <PJkoooop> anyone?
[04:08] <mobomelte1> damn
[04:08] <neozen> mobomelte1: has stuff in diff places then gnome
[04:08] <Frog29> hey, does anyone know some good linux file editers for winodws? or just ones that can open files with proper formats?
[04:08] <Hansel> PJkoooop, describe "know about it"
[04:08] <Frog29> i need to edit my grub settings
[04:08] <neozen> mobomelte1: no worries... i know its there
[04:09] <mobomelte1> my other question is can i run dual monitors with ubuntu?
[04:09] <Hansel> PJkoooop, I'm sure we have all used fdisk, cfdisk, etc at some point... ask a specific question por favor  :)
[04:09] <neozen> mobomelte1: absolutely
[04:09] <Hansel> mobomelte1, yup
[04:09] <aeropixie> is it possible to get syntax highlighting in the terminal?
[04:09] <mobomelte1> its sad but i use my laptop for a dvd player
[04:09] <neozen> !dualhead | mobomelte1
[04:09] <ubotu> mobomelte1: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[04:09] <Hansel> aeromix, yes... for nano/pico for example to highlight your script/program?
[04:09] <neozen> mobomelte1: so do I
[04:09] <kkerwin> Hi. I have an Orinoco 8480 WD PCMCIA card that I'm trying to get work. Linux detects the card as ath0, and I get some connectivity, but nowhere near the kind of activity that I get on Windows. Anyone familiar with any issues regarding this particular card?
[04:09] <PJkoooop> I made a partition using the wizard, but I didn't have enough time to install, so I cancelled the instalation.....and then my Vista partition was gone.
[04:09] <ClinicalMistak1> Hey, does anyone know the command in terminal to find a file?
[04:09] <neozen> !xinerama |mobomelte1
[04:09] <ubotu> mobomelte1: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[04:10] <atoponce> Frog29: you're using windows to edit your linux text files???
[04:10] <Frog29> yes.................
[04:10] <aeropixie> Hansel: how?
[04:10] <Frog29> i've mounted it, and now i'm trying to edit grub files
[04:10] <atoponce> Frog29: how?
[04:10] <neozen> PJkoooop: you've now learned a very valuable lesson... one you won't forget.... when repartitioning.... DON'T STOP
[04:10] <Frog29> i jsut opened with notepad, but it doesn't have the line breaks
[04:10] <Hansel> PJkoooop, linux does "destructive partitioning".  That means it destroys anything in its path.  If you want to dual boot you should have used Partition Magic from Windows to split off some space for Linux... then in the Linux installer ONLY used the freespace.
[04:11] <atoponce> Frog29: i'd recommend notepad2
[04:11] <mobomelte1> thats cool
[04:11] <Frog29> ok, thanks
[04:11] <neozen> PJkoooop: you're boned mon... you've just borked your computer's setup ... hope you made backups
[04:11] <PJkoooop> I did
[04:11] <neozen> mobomelte1: yep
[04:11] <mobomelte1> i'm still going to have to figure out how to keep the wireless thing up
[04:11] <Frog29> i'll probably be back for help with editing grub files
[04:11] <Hansel> aeropixie - man nanorc... you might want to google for examples that others have created for your specific language of choice.  I used to have mine setup for PHP though...
[04:11] <neozen> mobomelte1: if you want... I could look it up for you
[04:11] <arpegius> i'm getting non-password mysql authentication errors. is mysql hosed or what?
[04:11] <PJkoooop> So Ubuntu setup wont let me keep the Vistaa partition?
[04:11] <aeropixie> Hansel: okay, so if you did it for php i am sure i can for ruby. Thanks.
[04:12] <mobomelte1> its ok i'll figure it out
[04:12] <neozen> PJkoooop: it might
[04:12] <mobomelte1> i'm trying to figure out how to install folding@home right now
[04:12] <mobomelte1> i have an exe but that doesn't do anything
[04:12] <Hansel> PJkoooop, Re-install Vista.  Use Partition Magic to break off about 10-20 gigs for Linux, install Linux and tell it to only use the free space.
[04:12] <aeropixie> Hansel: It is odd adjusting to new programs in linux, i had specific ones in xp.
[04:12] <PJkoooop> I already reinstalled vista
[04:12] <Hansel> aeropixie - any reason you want to stick to the console?  You can get other programs like screem that do syntax highlighting in a GUI similar to DreamWeaver.
[04:12] <neozen> PJkoooop: but just to be sure..... use partition magic... its been known to play the nicest when resizing windows partitions
[04:13] <harry_> How do I set up an old computer to run as a dumb terminal from my current computer ?
[04:13] <mobomelte1> \name
[04:13] <mobomelte1> lol damn
[04:13] <PJkoooop> I just think that Ubuntu needs better fail-safe mechanisms if they want to compete with Windows
[04:13] <neozen> mobomelte1: eh?
[04:13] <PJkoooop> and automatic partition that protects data
[04:13] <mobomelte1> gotta install folding at home
[04:13] <PJkoooop> I was prepared with backups....many people aren't
[04:13] <francois_> and a robot to do your slave work
[04:13] <aeropixie> Hansel: Well i need both, I have a text editor that highlights, but yeah.
[04:13] <neozen> mobomelte1: look on the site for boinc
[04:14] <aeropixie> Hansel: I will search google, thanks.
[04:14] <gravemin1> hey can someone help me use chmod? I'm trying to give ~/.dmrc 644 permissions. I tried "chmod +644 ~/.dmrc" but that didn't work.
[04:14] <neozen> mobomelte1: I know they have a client for linux
[04:14] <Hansel> PJkoooop, well... if you were running ONLY a Linux operating system this wouldn't be a problem.  It's when people want to have Linux and Windows play together that a lot of problems happen.  :(  But yes, I agree they should probably put more warnings in and say "If you are using Windows do this, that, and the other"
[04:14] <neozen> mobomelte1: they'd be stupid not to
[04:14] <colbert> how do I change the Ubuntu logo on the Applications Places Systems menu ???
[04:14] <neozen> PJkoooop: ....its also kind of a well known thing... that when you are partitioning.... you do NOT hit cancel
[04:14] <Hansel> PJkoooop, you don't get the same kind of help from the Windows side though (ie; if you are using Windows and install Linux do this, that, and the other so you don't mess up Linux)
[04:14] <neozen> lol
[04:15] <neozen> Hansel: INDEED
[04:15] <Hansel> yes... partitioning, formatting, fsck'ing, and flashing firmware... times NOT to cycle the power.
[04:15] <genii> gravemin sudo chmod 644 ~/.dmrc
[04:15] <mobomelte1> alright if you have the .exe of the desktop how would i execute it
[04:15] <gravemin1> genii: thanks!
[04:15] <Hansel> mobomelte1, using wine?
[04:15] <neozen> mobomelte1: don't use the exe
[04:15] <Pelo> colbert,  somewhere in gconf I think
[04:15] <mobomelte1> its a linux program
[04:15] <neozen> mobomelte1: they've got a linux client
[04:15] <mobomelte1> i still need wine?
[04:16] <colbert> Pelo: where is gconf ?
[04:16] <Hansel> mobomelte1, me thinks you didnt get a linux client if its a .exe :)
[04:16] <mobomelte1> i beileve i downloaded the right one
[04:16] <neozen> mobomelte1: they'll tell you what you need
[04:16] <genii> gravemin1 If that doesn't work let me know
[04:16] <Pelo> colbert,  terminal
[04:16] <Hansel> linux programs occasionally end in .bin... or just no extention at all.
[04:16] <gravemin1> genii: I thought there had to be a + in front to add permissions
[04:16] <neozen> mobomelte1: and I don't think you did
[04:16] <PJkoooop> I have a Core 2 Duo....should I download the x64 version?
[04:16] <neozen> PJkoooop: NO
[04:16] <mobomelte1> fah504-linux.exe
[04:16] <Oswy> Hey, does anyone know how to deal with a file backed up from Windows (bkf).
[04:16] <colbert> Pelo: yup but what is the path to gconf ?
[04:16] <matuck> gravemin1 only if your are using the syntax +wrx
[04:16] <genii> gravemin1 No, if you specify numbers no + or -   only if you use rwx   etc
[04:16] <theBeno> Feisty is amazing.
[04:16] <gravemin1> genii: I think it worked
[04:16] <Oswy> Or would also help if someone could tell me how to install programs from a tar; I should just check the Wiki for that, though.
[04:17] <briank> In Bind9 are there any advantages to setting up a forwarder in a two nameserver senario where both are visible to the internet. For example the master would forward to the slave.
[04:17] <Pelo> colbert,  type   "gconf" in the terminal
[04:17] <colbert> command not found
[04:17] <neozen> PJkoooop: linux will detect that its dual core... and load an SMP kernel I believe
[04:17] <peepsalot> does someone know how to install audacity with mp3 support in Edgy?
[04:17] <neozen> correct me if I'm wrong guys
[04:17] <neozen> PJkoooop: the amd64 kernel is only for VERY specific amd chipsets
[04:17] <Hansel> I believe you are correct neozen... :)
[04:17] <Pelo> colbert,  sorry my mistake   gconf-editor
[04:17] <gravemin1> genii: ok. the reason I'm doing this is because I get a message when I login complaining that the file is being ignored cause it doesn't have 644 permissions
[04:18] <erichj> neozen: correct
[04:18] <neozen> theBeno: it better be
[04:18] <DARKGuy> Hey guys, I'm rdesktop-ing a Windows machine, but pressing the ALT key makes me drag the Linux RDP window instead of "pressing the ALT key in the remote machine", to say it that way. How can I avoid this?
[04:18] <neozen> theBeno: I'm dancing when I see the pics of the new xubuntu
[04:18] <colbert> Pelo: awesome, thanks ! :)
[04:18] <PJkoooop> worked on my Core 2 Duo...until I realized there were no i386 compatibility mechanisms.
[04:18] <genii> briank Yes. So you can have a domain shared across several machines. An email account on the slave will receive email then for instance even if it has no mx entry on the primary
[04:18] <mobomelte1> alright my real question is where should i put my files
[04:18] <neozen> PJkoooop: you want the i386 image
[04:18] <Hansel> DARKGUY - change your Linux keybindings for your window manager...
[04:18] <mobomelte1> in file system or sda1
[04:19] <PJkoooop> ok
[04:19] <neozen> mobomelte1: where you put your files.... usually in your /home
[04:19] <theBeno> neozen: hehe, yeah.  Can't wait.
[04:19] <Pelo> colbert,  no garranty,  I just think it might be there,  I am not sure
[04:19] <DARKGuy> Hansel: using Gnome, I tried looking in the settings but couldn't find anything relevant oO
[04:19] <Hansel> DARKGuy - hold... lemme look
[04:19] <genii> gravemin1: Well, does the program still groan now?
[04:19] <crdlb> DARKGuy, system-prefs-windows should be able to do it
[04:19] <Hansel> DARKGuy - it may be your rdesktop client has those keybindings set...
[04:19] <K3nto> !mp3
[04:19] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:19] <neozen> mobomelte1: if you have another drive..... that you want to use for personal files... mount it in some directory under /home/yourusername
[04:20] <K3nto> !amarok
[04:20] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[04:20] <DARKGuy> Hansel: nope, it's general with all Gnome windows :P
[04:20] <Oswy> How can I install programs through a compressed file, such that they enter the registry?
[04:20] <xipietotec> I have a card (D-link) that's on the list of supported devices, as works out of the box, it shows up in lspci as an atheros based Ethernet controller a/b/g, how do I enable it?
[04:20] <neozen> mobomelte1: there would've been an option to do this during install
[04:20] <neozen> mobomelte1: btw... your nick has freed up
[04:20] <mobomelte1> i want it all on one drive
[04:20] <genii> Oswy: There is no registry as such on linux
[04:20] <Oswy> I figured as such.
[04:20] <Oswy> But how to get a program to be recognized by the system?
[04:20] <neozen> mobomelte1: yeah... then stash your stuff in folders in /home/yourusername
[04:20] <DARKGuy> on hey crdlb, the binding is there! oO... there should be some kind of "link" to that window in the keybindings panel in Gnome, so people like me dn't get confused :P
[04:21] <Hansel> Oswy - in Ubuntu it is recognized if you install it through apt-get :)
[04:21] <gravemin1> genii: it complains when I first login to the computer, and I haven't restarted X yet
[04:21] <Oswy> Ahh, k.
[04:21] <Oswy> Thanks!
[04:21] <Hansel> Oswy - this can also depend on the package distributor...
[04:21] <neozen> mobomelte1: those're the only ones you have access to anyway without sudo
[04:21] <DARKGuy> Thanks Hansel and crdlb :)
[04:21] <Cr0w-> hello, i have 6.10 and for example i don't find x-chat using synaptic..where can i find a full software sources.list? i don't like the original one..not to much soft..(sorry my english)
[04:21] <neozen> mobomelte1: and you shouldn't have to sudo for personal files
[04:21] <odeerc> hello i installe ubuntu on my virtual workstation but when i run it after the installation it has an error and doesn't run
[04:21] <mobomelte1> yeah
[04:21] <genii> Oswy: It depends on the contents of the file how to install the thing. If after you uncompressed it, the file ends with extension .deb   then you can install with   dpkg -i <namehere>
[04:21] <mobomelte1> what about programs though?
[04:21] <Oswy> Now...if I have a tar.gz file, how can I use apt-get to put it on where I want?
[04:21] <kkerwin> Hi. I have an Orinoco 8480 WD PCMCIA card that I'm trying to get work. Linux detects the card as ath0, and I get some connectivity, but nowhere near the kind of activity that I get on Windows. Anyone familiar with any issues regarding this particular card?
[04:21] <jgeeky> howdy y'all
[04:21] <odeerc> It says error 18..
[04:22] <Hansel> Oswy - but by default if you install an application and you don't get an icon in Gnome/KDE you can always add one... type          locate programname   to find the path to it (usually /bin /usr/bin /sbin or /usr/sbin) then create a link...
[04:22] <Pelo> Oswy,  http://cutlersoftware.com/ubuntuinstall/
[04:22] <DARKGuy> Cr0w-: you can get a basic one with lots of stuff in http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:22] <jgeeky> i'm having a little trouble installing beryl
[04:22] <jgeeky> i'm at the wiki
[04:22] <odeerc> anyone?..
[04:22] <jgeeky> trying to get the gpg key
[04:22] <Cr0w-> DARKGuy: thanks :)
[04:22] <Oswy> Cool, Pelo, thanks.
[04:22] <neozen> mobomelte1: well..... ones that aren't in the repositories i usually stick in a bin folder under my /home/neozen
[04:22] <jgeeky> i'm on edgy eft
[04:22] <DARKGuy> Cr0w-: welcome :)
[04:22] <jgeeky> any idears?
[04:22] <mobomelte1> anyone with folding@home want to help out for a min?
[04:22] <neozen> mobomelte1: but most of what you need should be in the repos
[04:22] <genii> Oswy If after the tar file is uncompressed it has things like many subdirs and files ending with.c and in the main dir a file called configure or Makefile   then you need to manually compile the program it produces
[04:22] <odeerc> what is eror 18 how can i correct it?.
[04:22] <xipietotec> I have a card (D-link) that's on the list of supported devices, as works out of the box, it shows up in lspci as an atheros based Ethernet controller a/b/g, how do I enable it?
[04:22] <neozen> mobomelte1: go to a terminal
[04:23] <xipietotec> !wireless
[04:23] <genii> mobomelte1: I'm with folding@home but no time atm :(
[04:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:23] <neozen> mobomelte1: switch to the directory where you stashed the exe
[04:23] <mobomelte1> i am in one
[04:23] <jgeeky> if i enter
[04:23] <jgeeky> wget http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/quinn.key.asc -O - | sudo apt-key add -
[04:23] <Arrick> why must the ubuntu organization cap downloads at 33kbps?
[04:23] <jgeeky> i get an error
[04:23] <jgeeky> something about wget
[04:23] <neozen> mobomelte1: type chmod +x thefile
[04:23] <neozen> mobomelte1: where the file is the name of that folding installer
[04:23] <mobomelte1> wrong hard drive
[04:23] <mobomelte1> lol
[04:23] <mobomelte1> hold on
[04:23] <odeerc> anyone here?.
[04:23] <jgeeky> wget no valid option
[04:23] <Pelo> jgeeky,  if you have an error msg do a search for it in the forum
[04:24] <jgeeky> pelo. i did, didn't come up with anything
[04:24] <neozen> mobomelte1: you need write access to the file if you do this
[04:24] <jgeeky> i'm incredibly new to linux
[04:24] <jgeeky> so i'm just wondering if it's that I don't know how to add a key
[04:24] <Pelo> jgeeky,   looks to me like your missing an operator before the | sudo bit
[04:24] <neozen> mobomelte1: if you're trying to do this on a windows partion that you're accessing through linux....
[04:24] <neozen> mobomelte1: this ain't going to work
[04:24] <xipietotec> I have a card (D-link) that's on the list of supported devices, as works out of the box, it shows up in lspci as an atheros based Ethernet controller a/b/g, how do I enable it?
[04:24] <Oswy> genii, how do I manually compile it like that?
[04:24] <neozen> mobomelte1: copy it into your home directory
[04:24] <Viroo> hi
[04:25] <Hansel> jgeeky - did you really put those two on the same line?  you probably shouldn't pipe information to sudo...
[04:25] <Pelo> jgeeky,   should be -O -something | sudo ...
[04:25] <Hansel> jgeeky - try && instead of |
[04:25] <Viroo> how can I know what I installed in the last 5 hours or today ?
[04:25] <genii> Oswy did you uncompress the tar.gz file yet?
[04:25] <mobomelte1> alright its in home
[04:25] <Oswy> Yeah.
[04:25] <neozen> xipietotec: ok... do you know the name of the driver for it?
[04:25] <jgeeky> wait, is it O and not 0?
[04:25] <Hansel> Viroo - dselect probably has all that info.
[04:25] <mobomelte1> sorry i can't move fast
[04:25] <mobomelte1> lol
[04:25] <jgeeky> O as in the letter O
[04:25] <neozen> mobomelte1: as in /home/yourusername?
[04:25] <xipietotec> neozen: no...I know what card it is.
[04:25] <jgeeky> and not 0
[04:25] <genii> Oswy And it has like I said, a lot of dirs and some files like Makefile and configure?
[04:25] <Viroo> dselect ?
[04:25] <wheels3572> !acroread
[04:25] <Oswy> btw neozen, I got it to work for a sec, but then I moved it back to my room and it read it as wired again. :(
[04:25] <ubotu> acroread: Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Format file viewer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.9-0.0.ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 22375 kB, installed size 54700 kB (Only available for i386)
[04:25] <mobomelte1> yes
[04:25] <Viroo> !deselect
[04:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about deselect - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:26] <neozen> xipietotec: type lsmod in a terminal
[04:26] <Hansel> dselect... not deselect :)
[04:26] <Hansel> !dselect | viroo
[04:26] <neozen> xipietotec: and look for a line containing atheros
[04:26] <ubotu> viroo: dselect: user tool to manage Debian packages. In component main, is standard.  You will need to first install package called   build-essential
[04:27] <dkbg> not main sorry, universe
[04:27] <Hansel> Oswy - that is a source file... .h = header files .c = C source code files
[04:27] <Oswy> OK.
[04:27] <Chetwin> I'm looking for free web hosting with no ads, can anyone suggest anything?
[04:27] <neozen> mobomelte1: if you've just opened a terminal, you are in /home/yourusername
[04:27] <arrenlex> mobomelte1: cd <folder>
[04:27] <Oswy> genii, how do I do that?
[04:27] <Oswy> Can we take this to PM?
[04:27] <Pelo> dkbg,  you can manage compiz with  gconf-editor I beleive
[04:27] <genii> Oswy Sure
[04:27] <Hansel> Oswy - are you wanting to see when you compiled/installed a source package?
[04:27] <Arrick> anyone else experiencing extremely slow downloads from the ubuntu site?
[04:27] <wheels3572> can someone help me and tell me why I cant get acroread
[04:27] <neozen> mobomelte1: but yeah you switch like arrenlex said ... with cd foldertoswitchto
[04:27] <Oswy> No, I'm trying to install it myself.
[04:27] <neozen> mobomelte1: ls works like dir
[04:27] <tritium> wheels3572: because Adobe won't let it be redistributed
[04:27] <Hansel> Arrick - what are you downloading?  an ISO?
[04:27] <neozen> mobomelte1: (but kicks the #@$@#$ out of dir)
[04:27] <mobomelte1> alright i did
[04:28] <wheels3572> tritium, since when I just had it 2wks ago
[04:28] <neozen> mobomelte1: ok now type ./thefilename
[04:28] <Arrick> yes Hansel
[04:28] <xipietotec> neozen: nothing containing atheros
[04:28] <mobomelte1> with the period?
[04:28] <Viroo> isnt there a way with synaptic pr apt-get to know the packages i have installed
[04:28] <tritium> wheels3572: recently
[04:28] <Viroo> i dont know this dselect
[04:28] <Arrick> the ubuntu server 6.10 Hanna
[04:28] <arrenlex> Viroo: dpkg -l | grep ^ii
[04:28] <h1st0> Viroo: dpkg -l
[04:28] <neozen> mobomelte1: yes... the dot slash is very important
[04:28] <Arrick> Hansel ^
[04:28] <Viroo> how can I define the time
[04:28] <Hansel> Viroo - yes... :)
[04:28] <Chetwin> Anyone know of a decent web site host that doesn't have ads?
[04:28] <Viroo> i want only the one sio installed in the last 5 hours
[04:28] <Pelo> dkbg,  that is one of the reason for the beryl fork
[04:29] <Hansel> Viroo man apt-get  :)
[04:29] <neozen> mobomelte1: that tells it to run the command in the current directory ... rather then a directory somewhere else in the path
[04:29] <Viroo> i cant read more
[04:29] <Viroo> my head will explode
[04:29] <xipietotec> neozen: okay, nothing containing atheros...what does that mean?
[04:29] <h1st0> Pelo: they are talking about getting back together.
[04:29] <Pelo> Viroo,  what is wrong with your memory ? homw any packages have you installed ?
[04:29] <neozen> xipietotec: probably means your driver isn't loaded
[04:29] <Hansel> Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.  Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.  :)
[04:29] <Hansel> We try not to enable laziness...
[04:29] <Pelo> h1st0,  I read the same article on digg
[04:29] <neozen> xipietotec: scope out the forums for guides on your card
[04:29] <Viroo> pelo well I installed linuxmce and this software installed lots of things
[04:29] <neozen> xipietotec: there should be plenty
[04:30] <aeropixi1> Hansel: :p
[04:30] <h1st0> Viroo: You can also check your /var/cache/archives
[04:30] <dkbg> Pelo: hm
[04:30] <mage> whats wrong with occasional paziness?
[04:30] <Viroo> i wana get rid of everything linuxmce installe don my box
[04:30] <aeropixi1> hmm, my name changed.
[04:30] <xipietotec> neozen: bizzare, on the wiki it's listed as "works out of the box"
[04:30] <h1st0> Viroo: if you sudo apt-get autoremove <packagename>  it will remove all the other garbage too.
[04:30] <arrenlex> Viroo: How did you install linuxmce?
[04:30] <mobomelte1> process 6128 is running in conflict
[04:30] <Pelo> Viroo,  go in syanptic ,  find the package , rigit click , propertied,   there is a tab for the dependencies
[04:30] <neozen> xipietotec: ok
[04:30] <dkbg> Pelo: there is a guide for installing compiz from an unofficial  repo at the go-compiz.org wiki
[04:30] <h1st0> Viroo: then there are other packages that will search for orphaned debs that are no longer needed.
[04:31] <neozen> xipietotec: have you updated to the latest packages
[04:31] <dkbg> Pelo: configuring something with gconf-editor is not my idea of a good time
[04:31] <neozen> xipietotec: plug into a wired connection
[04:31] <Pelo> dkbg,  that is one of the reason for the beryl fork
[04:31] <neozen> xipietotec: then run sudo apt-get update
[04:31] <Viroo> i know the dependecies trick
[04:31] <dkbg> Pelo: yar, I heard you the first time :)
[04:31] <neozen> xipietotec: and sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:31] <Viroo> i uninstalled lots of things alrady
[04:31] <mobomelte1> hahaha its running in console mode
[04:31] <dkbg> well, dang I thought I'd give compiz a try
[04:31] <mobomelte1> thats cool
[04:31] <Viroo> but still not everything
[04:31] <neozen> xipietotec: that will keep you busy
[04:31] <mobomelte1> i can't see what its doing
[04:31] <mobomelte1> but its working
[04:31] <Viroo> thats why i need to know what exactly been installed
[04:31] <neozen> mobomelte1: lol
[04:31] <xipietotec> I've allready updated everything (I'm using feisty) today...should I have the card installed while I do that?
[04:31] <stas_v> hi, can anyone please tell me how to add SSHD to start up so it automatically starts whenever the computer boots?
[04:31] <Viroo> i need the list
[04:32] <neozen> mobomelte1: guess that means they haven't made a gui version yet
[04:32] <Pelo> Viroo,  some of those dependencies might have had dependencies to
[04:32] <neozen> mobomelte1: feel free to poke them into doing so
[04:32] <Hansel> stas_v  cd /etc/init.d  <--- startup scripts folder  :)
[04:32] <mobomelte1> they have
[04:32] <mobomelte1> maybe not in linux
[04:32] <K3nto> okay. my mp3s in amarok were working earlier and now amarok wont play them "Mp3 support not installed
[04:32] <mobomelte1> because i have it on windows
[04:32] <Hansel> stas_v I imagine you can also list it in inetd.conf the old fashioned way.
[04:32] <neozen> mobomelte1: that's what I mean
[04:32] <mobomelte1> could be
[04:32] <Pelo> Viroo,  go to the site,  there should be a list of pakcages somewhere on there
[04:32] <mage> updaterc.d i think is the fancy schmancy command to deal with starting stuff on auto
[04:32] <neozen> mobomelte1: if they haven't made a graphical linux version... poke them
[04:32] <mobomelte1> oh well i'm still helping out
[04:32] <Tonren> !virtual
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtual - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <Tonren> !vmware
[04:32] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[04:32] <Viroo> if any utility that sorts packages according to their installation time.. i ccan use grep for that
[04:33] <Viroo> but i can figure out which one
[04:33] <Hansel> Viroo - sudo apt-get install apt-show-versions
[04:33] <Tonren> Ugh.  How do I make a Windows XP virtual machine in Ubuntu?  I have a legal XP disc.
[04:33] <K3nto> ok nvm, i just restarted
[04:33] <Hansel> ?
[04:33] <Pelo> Viroo,   you can also try installking gtkorphan, it will find dependencies that are no longuer nessecary and remove them for you
[04:33] <mobomelte1> alright now i need to figure out how to keep that wireless thing in my tool bar
[04:33] <neozen> mobomelte1: you are now a bonified linux user.... with this comes a license to b*tch about anything that doesn't work right with linux ::grins::
[04:33] <neozen> mobomelte1: yeah... I'll look that up for you
[04:33] <mage> hey a ubuntu install can mount a cloop right?
[04:33] <Viroo> ok
[04:34] <mobomelte1> lol
[04:34] <mobomelte1> i took a linux class too and  i swore i would never touch it again
[04:34] <neozen> mage: if you mean a loopback filesystem .... yes
[04:34] <zen> I was trying to make my own mail-notification package by compiling and using checkinstall, and I got this error, how can I fix it?  "dpkg: error processing /home/neil/Desktop/mail-notification-4.0/mail-notification_4.0-1_i386.deb (--install):" "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/2/libgconfbackend-xml.so', which is also in package libgconf2-4"
[04:34] <neozen> mobomelte1: lol..... linux has changed
[04:34] <mobomelte1> this was recent
[04:34] <Hansel> lol mobomelte1
[04:34] <mobomelte1> like last semester recent
[04:34] <neozen> mobomelte1: package management has made it accessible to the everyman
[04:35] <neozen> mobomelte1: FAR more accessible anyway
[04:35] <peepsalot> is there a simple way to upgrade from edgy to feisty without downloading the ISO?
[04:35] <mobomelte1> its hard but worth it
[04:35] <j3g> i have a routing question... I am going to set up a linux box to be a router... i have got the "private ip" pairs that it is going to use to connect to the provider's router, and the designated ip range/mask that is going to be made available to my network... how does one set this up? do I set the private IP address of the isp router as default gateway?
[04:35] <Hansel> if you want to see just how far Linux has come I can send you a Slackware 3.6 installation disk... those were different times.
[04:35] <Pelo> zen,  are you looking for an app to check for new emails periodicaly ?  try gnubiff , multiple accounts
[04:35] <neozen> mobomelte1: its NEW ... but not hard
[04:35] <genii> peepsalot Yes from Edgy to Feisty you can use the upgrade-manager
[04:35] <mobomelte1> wow
[04:35] <neozen> mobomelte1: you get used to it
[04:35] <I_Eat_Plastic> Anyone have any experience using Ubuntu Server Edition?
[04:35] <mobomelte1> f@h is running both cores at 100%
[04:36] <Tonren> Anyone?  Windows XP as a VM in Ubuntu?
[04:36] <neozen> I_Eat_Plastic: yeah...
[04:36] <peepsalot> ok i will look into it, thanks genii
[04:36] <OtakuMark> Is ubuntu going to be as fun to use as the mandrake I used a few years back? burning 6.06 as we speak
[04:36] <mobomelte1> i need to get on that
[04:36] <FordPrefect> no but I do Win 2000 in Ubuntu
[04:36] <mobomelte1> thats way too high
[04:36] <neozen> I_Eat_Plastic: I run server on a box
[04:36] <Hansel> Tonren - never done it... do you have a virtual machine application installed that can even handle the WinXP?
[04:36] <arch_> how can I set the order in which programs run at startup (config file edit or something)?
[04:36] <neozen> mobomelte1: well... that's what it does
[04:36] <Tonren> Hansel: No.  I have no idea what I'm doing.  All I know is that I don't want to dual boot.
[04:36] <I_Eat_Plastic> neozen: Did you ever have issues with sudo?
[04:36] <neozen> mobomelte1: eats idle cpu
[04:36] <zen> Pelo, well, I was looking for something to sit in my try and notify me when there's new mail in the account...the actual checking I use Thunderbird for.
[04:36] <FordPrefect> vmware is free as in kittens but not freedom
[04:36] <neozen> mobomelte1: and in linux.... you have LOTS of idle time
[04:36] <Hansel> arch_ cd /etc/init.d  :)
[04:36] <Pelo> Tonren,  you need an image, to make a image of an xp installation you need at least vmware server,  you can get thaty from the vmware site,
[04:37] <FordPrefect> You can easily use that
[04:37] <neozen> mobomelte1: (linux is so much smarter about this then windows)
[04:37] <Hansel> !virtualmachine
[04:37] <Tonren> Pelo: Is it... free?
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtualmachine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <mobomelte1> it was running like 9 times
[04:37] <sybesis> can someone tell me how to make someone understand that wine is not an emulator?
[04:37] <Pelo> Tonren,  it was , but you needed an elaborate registration
[04:37] <neozen> Tonren: YEAH...I gotcah
[04:37] <Pelo> Tonren,   #vmware is a better place for this stuff
[04:37] <dwokm> hey can anyone tell me how to stop apache from logging traffic that gets rewrited to a forbidden page
[04:37] <fogobogo> hi anybody! how reliable are the informations you get with deborphan?
[04:37] <Hansel> sybesis - www.winehq.org  <--- send them there?
[04:37] <lxuser> does someone know why when I burn a DVD in Gnomebaker when the burn is finished my burner turn off?
[04:37] <dwokm> like a 403
[04:37] <neozen> Tonren: I've got a guide for you
[04:37] <Tonren> sybesis: Dude, don't bother.  It doesn't really matter anyway.
[04:37] <tate_> Hey, I've got a Feisty Fawn system that needs working nvidia drivers for a geforce8, I'm trying to install the kernel headers for kernel 2.6.20-13-generic but apt is not cooperating
[04:37] <FordPrefect> if you're on Edgy you have to add an environment var though
[04:37] <Tonren> Pelo: Okey doke, thanks!
[04:37] <neozen> Tonren: wait one
[04:37] <Tonren> neozen: Oooh.  Awesome.
[04:37] <tate_> How can I get the kernel headers for Feisty?
[04:38] <mage> sybesis: it still emulates... the api, not really worth the bother
[04:38] <mobomelte1> now i need to register my name on irc
[04:38] <Pelo> zen,   it's just a little pannel applet that check if you have new mail, you can then download with your regular client
[04:38] <neozen> Tonren: tells you from start to finish how to get it working
[04:38] <arch_> hansel: what file within init.d?
[04:38] <sybesis> we know but hes trolling our forum with that
[04:38] <fogobogo> hi anybody! how reliable are the informations you get with deborphan?
[04:38] <FordPrefect> for vmware you may also need to do this: http://linuxintegrators.com/acoliver/blog/2006/08/19/x-0261.html
[04:38] <neozen> mobomelte1: /msg nickserv register help
[04:38] <Tonren> Man...   Technically you should edit rc.local with any "other" programs you want to run after the rest bootup.
[04:39] <FordPrefect> you will definitely need to do this for vmware as well on Edgy: http://linuxintegrators.com/acoliver/blog/2007/02/26/x-0307.html
[04:39] <ubotu> irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/), irssi (console) (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi) - Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines
[04:39] <sybesis> we sent him at winehq faq etc an he says read it well before saying thing that arent truth
[04:39] <neozen> Tonren: this will royally set you up: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183209&highlight=vmware
[04:39] <mobomelte1> nooo
[04:39] <mobomelte1> my name is wrong though
[04:39] <Hansel> sybesis - tell him it's an API layer... does it really matter if he insists on it being an emulator?
[04:39] <Pelo> Tonren,  if you want my advice,  before setting up a virtual machine try to run your app in wine ,  much less trouble
[04:39] <mobomelte1> i gotta change my name
[04:39] <neozen> Tonren: keep in mind... NO high end graphics type stuff
[04:39] <Tonren> neozen: Badass.
[04:39] <Tonren> Pelo: Dude...   No way
[04:39] <neozen> mobomelte1: /nick mobomelter
[04:39] <Hansel> sybesis - tell him it "emulates" the Windows API... not the Windows shell, kernel, etc.
[04:39] <mobomelter> alright
[04:40] <FordPrefect> certainly less resource intensive
[04:40] <Tonren> Pelo: wine fails, okay?  It's a great, valiant effort, and I'm sure it works fine for some people, but it fails.
[04:40] <sybesis> no but hes like hum...sticky
[04:40] <neozen> mobomelter: now /msg nickserv register help
[04:40] <sybesis> you know people obsessed by their opinion
[04:40] <Pelo> Tonren,  I was just trying to save you some trouble
[04:40] <neozen> Tonren: no graphics intensive games
[04:40] <Hansel> sybesis - let him have his opinion... one day he'll see the light.  :)
[04:40] <neozen> Pelo: that guide makes it easy mon
[04:40] <Pelo> Tonren,  you could also try this http://www.advicesource.org/ubuntu/Run_Existing_Windows_Instalation_On_Ubuntu_With_Vmware_player.html
[04:40] <mage> sybesis: "shut up dale"
[04:40] <arch_> hansel: sorry, I've never done this before, can I just tag it (command) to the end of that file, or should it go into one of the blocks?
[04:40] <Tonren> Pelo: I understand.  It's just that you can only be told to "try the GIMP" and "what about wine" so many times!
[04:40] <Pelo> Tonren,  but it didn't work for me
[04:41] <mobomelter> alright
[04:41] <Tonren> Pelo: Unfortunately, I blasted my Windows partition
[04:41] <Hansel> arch_ tag it to the end... oughta do the trick  ;)
[04:41] <neozen> Pelo: don't bother with vmware player
[04:41] <mobomelter> i gotta wait 2 minutes
[04:41] <who__> if GDM doesn't restart after ctrl+alt+backspace is that a bug?
[04:41] <mobomelter> thanks for all your help
[04:41] <neozen> Pelo: vmware server is now free
[04:41] <sybesis> "shut up dale" will be my quote :)
[04:41] <Tonren> neozen: I only play games that are 4 years old or older
[04:41] <cables> Pelo, VirtualBox is easier and better, if you're looking for a virtual machine
[04:41] <mobomelter> i gotta figure out that network manager thing
[04:41] <Hansel> who__ did you logout first then try it or are you logged in and pushing that?
[04:41] <mage> who__: did a dialog come up?
[04:41] <neozen> neozen: still.... NO graphics intensive games
[04:41] <cables> mobomelter, what's to figure out?
[04:41] <neozen> lol
[04:41] <cables> !networkmanager | mobomelter
[04:41] <ubotu> mobomelter: networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[04:41] <neozen> meant Tonren
[04:41] <Tonren> neozen: At all?  What about, like, Starcraft?
[04:41] <xipietotec>  if you have a device (wireless card) that shows up in lspci, is supposed to work out of the box, and doesn't show the relevent modules in lsmod, how the heck do you load the relevent modules?
[04:41] <arch_> hansel: thanks a ton for the help
[04:41] <cables> mobomelter, read that, it has everything.
[04:41] <Hansel> arch_ np
[04:42] <neozen> Tonren: starcraft works just fine in wine
[04:42] <who__> Hansel: just did it while logged in - normally (x86) it works but on this ppc it doesn't)
[04:42] <Hansel> xipietotec, modprobe
[04:42] <neozen> Tonren: it will probably NOT work inside of vmware
[04:42] <cables> xipietotec, what is it? Maybe someone knows the right module...
[04:42] <who__> mage: nothing, just see the boot mesages
[04:42] <xipietotec> Hansel: modprobe what though?
[04:42] <Tonren> neozen: Usually, but sometimes it runs excrutiatingly slow for no reason.
[04:42] <Hansel> modprobe modulename  <--- like that
[04:42] <sybesis> i can play source games well in wine so starcraft
[04:42] <Pelo> neozen,  cables   I am not looking for a virtual machine,  Tonren  is ,  I just have a seperate window install for those rare times I need it
[04:42] <mage> and you only did it once?
[04:42] <Tonren> neozen: Lame.  Hmm.... maybe I should just deal with Photoshop 7 in wine
[04:42] <neozen> Tonren: there's no graphics acceleration support for wine
[04:42] <xipietotec> It's a d-link WNA-2330, listed in the devices wiki as working right out of the box
[04:42] <mage> yea that sounds buggy
[04:42] <neozen> Tonren: perhaps
[04:42] <Aaron_Mason> hey all... I'm trying to use debootstrap to make a base system for dapper... but when I try this: debootstrap dapper ./uml_sys/ file:/cdrom/ - I get this: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/aaron/uml_sys mount -t proc proc /proc
[04:43] <Hansel> xipietotec, lsmod  <--- dont see it in there?
[04:43] <mobomelter> i'm just trying to figure out how to keep it in the system tray
[04:43] <mobomelter> and be there on starup
[04:43] <mage> Aaron_Mason: as root maybe?
[04:43] <cables> Tonren, I just got here, are you talking about games in VMware? That won't work, there's no 3d acceleration support yet in any VM software. However, if you're looking for a VM for other things, I found VirtualBox much quicker and easier to set up than VMWare, and the full version is free.
[04:43] <sybesis> if you ever played with inkscape its worth it for vector drawing
[04:43] <cables> Pelo, ok, sorry
[04:43] <xipietotec> Hansel: it shows up in lspci as an atheros ethernet controller, no listings for atheros in lsmod
[04:43] <Aaron_Mason> mage: I am doing it as root
[04:43] <Hansel> modprobe atheros
[04:43] <neozen> guys.. mobomelter's just trying to add nm-applet to the auto started applications
[04:43] <xipietotec> okah....hod on....
[04:43] <ubuntugrl> can someone help me setup console graphic support?
[04:43] <xipietotec> hold even
[04:43] <cables> xipietotec, try modprobe ath-pci, I've got that in my lsmod...
[04:44] <cables> mobomelter, in Gnome?
[04:44] <Tonren> cables: link?
[04:44] <neozen> Tonren: you might be ok with photoshop under vmware
[04:44] <LRP> hello, I'm new to IRC and new to Ubuntu/Linux, can someone help me setup a share on my dual boot machine
[04:44] <mobomelter> ys in gnome
[04:44] <neozen> Tonren: graphical games however.. are very iffy
[04:44] <mage> Aaron_Mason: odd, I've personally never debootstrapped off a CD
[04:44] <neozen> LRP: ....hmm..... well... what do you mean by a share
[04:44] <Pelo> LRP,  you mean a share between your two os ?
[04:44] <cables> Tonren, Photoshop is CPU intensive, and CPU emulation is fast in VirtualBox... I'd guess about 90% of full speed. What ISN'T fast is graphics and disk access
[04:44] <Hansel> LRP - if you are BRAND new to Linux I recommend you invest in an external USB drive to backup all of your important files...
[04:44] <LRP> my share drive already has data on it and is accessible from Windows, it is FAT32, I mounted it as /mnt/share
[04:44] <Arroll> can someone tell my where i can find a good guide to installing and setting up Beryl with AIGLX and drivers in Edgy with an nvidia card?
[04:44] <Aaron_Mason> mage: I'll have a shot at using the archive
[04:44] <LRP> when I try to access it ther is nothing in the folder
[04:45] <neozen> LRP: ok.... awesome
[04:45] <neozen> LRP: hmmmmmm
[04:45] <Hansel> LRP - you need to use samba... not mounting shares (NFS)
[04:45] <cables> mobomelter, do you have "network-manager-gnome" installed? If so, go to System>Preferences>Sessions, go to the Startup tab, hit add, and add nm-applet.
[04:45] <harry_> How do I set up a dumb terminal to run from my current computer ?
[04:45] <LRP> i've already created the dual boot with multiple partitions
[04:45] <odeerc> anybody here tell me what is error 18?.
[04:45] <ubuntugrl> does ubuntu support console graphics?
[04:45] <kitche> !beryl | Arroll but the beryl website is good
[04:45] <ubotu> Arroll but the beryl website is good: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:45] <sybesis> Aroll go and find the repositories for beryl
[04:45] <neozen> cables: yes he does
[04:45] <Pelo> LRP,  did you actualy mount it or did you just make a /mnt/share  folder ?
[04:45] <Hansel> ubuntugrl, yes.. kinda sorta.
[04:45] <sybesis> then update you nvidia drivers
[04:45] <mobomelter> its in starup programs
[04:45] <neozen> mobomelter: that's where the damn thing is
[04:45] <ubuntugrl> Hansel, how do i set that up?
[04:45] <mobomelter> thats odd
[04:45] <cables> Tonren, http://www.virtualbox.org/
[04:45] <sybesis> then it may work like a charm
[04:45] <xipietotec> fatal, no module atheros
[04:45] <LRP> during the install I chose to mount /dev/hda8 as /share
[04:46] <mobomelter> because it keeps disapearing
[04:46] <Hansel> LRP - so you have a Windows computer and a Linux computer on your network?  You want to "mount" the Windows share in Linux?  If so you need Samba.
[04:46] <cables> Tonren, just a hint, to get out of a vm window, hit the right control key + r
[04:46] <neozen> mobomelter: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade again
[04:46] <Arroll> what about drivers?    where can i get the approperate drivers?   i used Envy last night, and it caused a few problems
[04:46] <LRP> Hansel: no, it is a dual boot machine, all on one HD
[04:46] <Tonren> cables: thx
[04:46] <LRP> with 8 partitions
[04:46] <Hansel> LRP - if you are dual booting and want to access a Windows partition then you can use mount and pass it the -t ntfs option (NTFS type)
[04:46] <neozen> might just be out of date
[04:46] <cables> mobomelter, try nm-applet --sm-disable
[04:46] <mobomelter> hold on
[04:46] <Pelo> Hansel,  if you are not going to pay attention to what ppl are aksing just keep quiet please
[04:46] <mobomelter> gotta pee
[04:46] <Hansel> Pelo - I'm helping lots of people...
[04:46] <Hansel> Pelo - but since you are being a complete asshat I'll just leave.  Fuck yourself.
[04:46] <jason_> whats the new fiesty gonna have that edgy dont?
[04:46] <LRP> earlier I tried...sudo mount -t vfat/dev/hda8 /mnt/share
[04:46] <mozammel> Hi, if I have Pentium D 2.8 Processor, should I use Ubuntu amd 64bit one?
[04:46] <LRP> and nothe happened
[04:46] <neozen> Hansel: that's not what he's talking about mon
[04:47] <kitche> jason_: updated software and better support for hardware and such
[04:47] <neozen> Hansel: he's talking about a dual-booted machine
[04:47] <sybesis> http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/
[04:47] <cables> jason_, windows migration, graphical effects, new versions of software, restricted drivers manager, easy network roaming
[04:47] <ubuntugrl> can anyone help me?
[04:47] <neozen> wow... he left
[04:47] <cables> !ask | ubuntugrl
[04:47] <ubotu> ubuntugrl: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:47] <Pelo> LRP,   check to see if your partition is visible using gparted
[04:47] <LRP> it is
[04:47] <neozen> LRP: ok... I gotcha
[04:47] <stickman> anyone here run ubuntu on an imac?
[04:47] <LRP> i created it with that
[04:47] <LRP> I can see it in cfdisk too
[04:47] <ubuntugrl> i have three times. can someone help me setup console graphic support
[04:48] <neozen> LRP: great... did you format this partition?
[04:48] <LRP> hda8 does not show up in fstab
[04:48] <cables> ubuntugrl, what is console graphic support?
[04:48] <neozen> LRP: AHHH
[04:48] <Aaron_Mason> mage: it works fine if I do it off the repository... :S
[04:48] <LRP> oriinally before transferring my data back to it
[04:48] <neozen> LRP: there's your issue
[04:48] <sybesis> aroll@ I don't seriously know... I'm going to make some debian package for nvidia 9755 because there aren't anyone out there
[04:48] <LRP> why doesn't it show up and how do I add it?
[04:48] <neozen> LRP: type mount
[04:48] <sybesis> envy isn't a good way to install drivers
[04:48] <ubuntugrl> graphics in the console. if i boot a knoppix cd, i can lynx www.google.com and see the graphics
[04:48] <mobomelter> alright got it
[04:48] <stickman> i'm trying to figure out which usb wireless devices will work...
[04:48] <neozen> LRP: and see if it shows up in the list
[04:48] <Pelo> LRP,  try not using the enter key as punctuation
[04:48] <LRP> it does not
[04:48] <mobomelter> nm-applet is running
[04:48] <cables> ubuntugrl, I don't know then...
[04:49] <neozen> LRP: ok man fstab
[04:49] <mozammel> Anyone pls: if I have Pentium D 2.8 Processor, should I use Ubuntu amd 64bit one?
[04:49] <mobomelter> but i don't see the icon
[04:49] <cables> mobomelter, did you try nm-applet --sm-disable?
[04:49] <neozen> LRP: and read
[04:49] <mobomelter> thats really wierld
[04:49] <LRP> Pelo: as punctuation?
[04:49] <cables> mozammel, I'd stick with 32 bit
[04:49] <neozen> mozammel: heck no
[04:49] <mobomelter> hold on i'll tr
[04:49] <cables> mozammel, 64-bit driver and software support is scarce
[04:49] <neozen> mozammel: running 64bit will give you more headaches then you want
[04:49] <mage> mozammel: Intel != AMD :-/
[04:49] <LRP> neozen: I don't even know what fstab is, I just read about it earlier somewhere
[04:49] <mozammel> ok, thanks
[04:49] <sybesis> if you try the risk of upgrading to feisty fawn (unstable) you will have these drivers
[04:49] <Chetwin> Can anyone give me a starting off point...  I would like to host a web site from a server in-house
[04:49] <kitche> mage the amd64 cd works on intel x86_64
[04:49] <Pelo> LRP,   us this comman in the terminal        sudo mount /dev/hda8 vfat /mnt/share
[04:49] <neozen> mozammel: the i386 image will support your cores just fine
[04:50] <sybesis> Goodnight everyoone
[04:50] <mage> kitche: ah
[04:50] <mozammel> thanks cables, neozen, mage...
[04:50] <mobomelter> its listed under start up
[04:50] <aeropixie> sybesis: goognight
[04:50] <neozen> LRP: man fstab will tell you all you need to know
[04:50] <Pelo> LRP,  you are making to many lines when you talk you are hard to follow with other ppl talking,  don't hit the enter key so much , use stops or comas
[04:50] <mobomelter> thats the funny thing
[04:50] <LRP> Pelo: it doesn't work it comes up with instructions on how to use mount
[04:50] <jason_> anyone know of any good Ubuntu podcasts?
[04:50] <drcode> hi all
[04:50] <neozen> mobomelter: ok... reboot and see what's up
[04:50] <drcode> I try to install rt2561 card
[04:50] <kitche> mage: it's just a generic term pretty much sicne amd started x86_64 first at least one that worked right
[04:50] <drcode> It seems that I can't see it in lspci
[04:50] <drcode> any idea?
[04:51] <mobomelter> alright brb
[04:51] <Pelo> LRP,  and what are the instrucions ?  see how the command differs and try fixing it
[04:51] <Frog29> hello, i'm currently haveing a problem with ubuntu booting - it gives me a tty error. here's the background - i've installed grub on a serperate boot partition, and i got it to work, but immediatly after that it gave me the tty error, however i was able to boot it imediatly after install, but it was non complient after that. I have acess to the partition with internet, can nyone help me with this problem?
[04:51] <drcode> lspci check the hardware device?
[04:51] <waxyfresh> whats the name of the package that has the mac like deskbar???
[04:51] <zen> Pelo, that works pretty well...but I've been making some of my own other packages, and this isn't the first time I've run into this sort of error...do you know the solution?
[04:51] <LRP> Pelo: okay, sorry about that, I'm new to IRC too, thanks for the tip
[04:51] <drcode> it mean mybe hardware problem?
[04:51] <mobomelter> alright brb
[04:51] <cables> waxyfresh, I don't know, but one ? is enough!!!
[04:51] <harry_> is it possible to install ubuntu on a 400MHz with 300MB of ram @ 4 megs of vram?
[04:51] <Pelo> zen,  sorry, I 've lost track , what error ?
[04:51] <erichj> harry_: yes
[04:51] <hagabaka> is there a feed for newly added packages to ubuntu repositories?
[04:52] <cables> harry_, yes, but you might want to try Xubuntu
[04:52] <waxyfresh> harry_: yup
[04:52] <LRP> Pelo: nothing in there makes sense, I followed the instructions, and they didn't work, from talking with a friend earlier today, he also said the problem lies in fstab and I need to see it there before it will show up anywhere else, is that ture?
[04:52] <Chetwin> How can I host a web site from home?/
[04:52] <j3g> i have a routing question... I am going to set up a linux box to be a router... i have got the "private ip" pairs that it is going to use to connect to the provider's router, and the designated ip range/mask that is going to be made available to my network... how does one set this up? do I set the private IP address of the isp router as default gateway?
[04:52] <cables> Chetwin, that's out of the scope of this channel
[04:52] <neozen> harry_: indeed you might... its what I run
[04:52] <Pelo> LRP,   just a stupid question here , but did you actualy make a /mnt/share  folder ?
[04:52] <Chetwin> Where can I go for that?
[04:52] <zen> It looks like the package is trying to overwrite a file that's already there (I was using checkinstall), the error was:  "dpkg: error processing /home/neil/Desktop/mail-notification-4.0/mail-notification_4.0-1_i386.deb (--install):" "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/2/libgconfbackend-xml.so', which is also in package libgconf2-4"
[04:52] <scv> harry_: 4m vram = ati mach64?
[04:52] <neozen> harry_: and I'm most happy with it
[04:53] <neozen> Pelo: perfectly valid question
[04:53] <LRP> Pelo: I did not make the folder myself, but it was created during then Ubuntu installation process
[04:53] <Pelo> LRP,  fstab is for automaounting at boot
[04:53] <waxyfresh> harry_: ii] ve had it it running on 33 mhx
[04:53] <Chetwin> cables: Can you point me in the right direction?
[04:53] <Pelo> LRP,  check if the folder is there
[04:53] <harry_> Can I get it to run off of my good computer over a network? [like a terminal]
[04:53] <LRP> Pelo: it is
[04:53] <Frog29> can anyone help me with my tty error that i posted?
[04:53] <cables> !offtopic | Chetwin, ask there
[04:53] <ubotu> Chetwin, ask there: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[04:53] <Pelo> lpr hold on
[04:53] <lasking> hey guys where can get ubuntu T-shit ?
[04:53] <neozen> LRP: it might be that its set up with the wrong permissions
[04:53] <cables> lasking, typo?
[04:53] <aeropixie> lasking: :p
[04:53] <Chetwin> ty
[04:54] <lasking> xl
[04:54] <neozen> lasking: lol.... check out ubuntu.com
[04:54] <cables> !ohmy | lasking :)
[04:54] <SirBob1701> can someone give me a hand with mplayer it said it cant initialize my sound device but audio works in everything else
[04:54] <ubotu> lasking :): Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:54] <waxyfresh> whats the name of the package that has the mac like deskbar???
[04:54] <neozen> lasking: I'm sure they've got a merchandise link
[04:54] <cables> !repeat | waxyfresh
[04:54] <ubotu> waxyfresh: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[04:54] <neozen> waxyfresh: there's a tone of them
[04:54] <LRP> Pelo: how do I check/change them, and what is samba and why would I need it, isn't this pretty standard what I'm trying to do?
[04:54] <tate_> is there a way to stop X in feisty that works?
[04:54] <Aaron_Mason> for my debootstrap problem, this is the error message I get from this: debootstrap dapper ./uml_sys/ file:/cdrom/ - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12262/
[04:54] <cables> tate_, you mean in the LiveCD?
[04:54] <neozen> waxyfresh: you can also just configure the gnome panels to act like the doc
[04:54] <mobomelter> back
[04:55] <aeropixie> lasking: I think you might have a subliminal urge to send a free t-shirt to me.
[04:55] <mobomelter> seems to be working now
[04:55] <a-865> I replaced an ISA sound card with a PCI. Now what dpkg reconfigure do I need to run?
[04:55] <tate_> no, an install
[04:55] <neozen> mobomelter: awesome
[04:55] <mobomelter> no idea though
[04:55] <Pelo> LRP,  put this line in  fstab  and reboot your computer             /dev/hda8 /mnt/share vfat defaults 0 2
[04:55] <cables> mobomelter, after the --sm-disable thingy? cool
[04:55] <neozen> mobomelter: lol
[04:55] <mobomelter> i didn't change anything
[04:55] <tate_> I've tried sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop and it crashes
[04:55] <SirBob1701> are there any other video players that work in firefox besides mplayer?
[04:55] <mobomelter> i just installed it and rebooted
[04:55] <LRP> Pelo: sorry I'm such a newbie, but how do I edit fstab? and where do I put the line at?
[04:55] <cables> tate_, try ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:56] <Pelo> LRP,  you only need samba to share folders over a network with windows machines , maybe that was the problem withthe install doing it for a network share
[04:56] <tritoch> SirBob1701: vlc
[04:56] <tate_> tried that too
[04:56] <SirBob1701> thanks
[04:56] <neozen> SirBob1701: how'd you get mplayer to work in firefox?
[04:56] <cables> LRP, alt-f2, then gksudo gedit /etc/fstab (you'll have to type your password
[04:56] <tate_> same problem
[04:56] <lasking> not free T-shit   someone said t-shit is made for this summer  but i don't know where to buy
[04:56] <Pelo> LRP,  sudo  gedit /etc/ fstab
[04:56] <xX-ACID-Xx> hi I was just wondering how hard it is to setup beryl in ubuntu ultimate because i am totally new at linux
[04:56] <cables> tate_, try #ubuntu+1
[04:56] <SirBob1701> neozen: theres a synaptic plugin for it mozilla-mplayer
[04:56] <Pelo> LRP,  sorry  sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[04:56] <cables> xX-ACID-Xx, Ubuntu Ultimate is not supported here, it's a third-party version
[04:56] <Frog29> hey, can somone hlep me wtih a tty error on startup?
[04:56] <neozen> SirBob1701: awesome
[04:56] <xX-ACID-Xx> k
[04:56] <K3nto> im looking for a good p2p app
[04:57] <xX-ACID-Xx> use torrents
[04:57] <SirBob1701> My mplayer stopped working no longer initializes my audio device and I dont know why
[04:57] <K3nto> amule is awful. it wouldnt download a thing that i qued
[04:57] <SurfnKid> !w32codecs
[04:57] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[04:57] <cables> xX-ACID-Xx, I'd recommend switching to the official Ubuntu Feisty Fawn, coming out in late April. It has easy beryl installation.
[04:57] <SurfnKid> !Codecs
[04:57] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:57] <xX-ACID-Xx> @k3nto use torrents dude
[04:57] <Koganei> hey guys, I read a while ago about a pack that installs a bunch of apps (Flash, Google Toolbar, etc.) and makes sure everything is all working well together but I forgot its name. anyone know what I'm talking about?
[04:57] <K3nto> for single songs?
[04:57] <xX-ACID-Xx> use shareaza
[04:57] <xX-ACID-Xx> o wait
[04:57] <xX-ACID-Xx> r u using ubuntu?
[04:57] <cables> Koganei, probably Automatix, but you don't want to use that.
[04:57] <K3nto> yep
[04:57] <neozen> SirBob1701: how'd you lie to apt so it stopped complaining that mplayer wasn't installed?
[04:57] <Koganei> no?
[04:57] <aeropixie> is xfce noticably snappier?
[04:58] <Koganei> yeah, it was Automatix
[04:58] <cables> aeropixie, on old hardware, yes.
[04:58] <cables> Koganei, don't use that
[04:58] <Frog29> !automatix
[04:58] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[04:58] <neozen> SirBob1701: and that it couldn't install it b/c it was a virtual package?
[04:58] <cables> Koganei, if you nead help with installing stuff, we'll walk you through doing it without Automatix.
[04:58] <Koganei> ah okay cool
[04:58] <SirBob1701> neozen: i never ran into problems i just installed it and it worked
[04:58] <waxyfresh> is there a   way to upgrade to fiesty without updateing my sources.list?
[04:58] <xX-ACID-Xx> is there an automatic script for installing beryl on ubuntu?
[04:58] <aeropixie> cables: would you say it woudl be faster tahn gnome in a virtual machine?
[04:58] <K3nto> xX-ACID-Xx: ya im using ubuntu
[04:58] <neozen> SirBob1701: edgy right?
[04:58] <SirBob1701> yup
[04:58] <Koganei> I just installed it, I'm not sure what I need to install. I guess Flash would be cool for now
[04:58] <waxyfresh> xX-ACID-Xx: no
[04:58] <cables> aeropixie, probably
[04:58] <Frog29> not sure what others will say but i've also heard about easyubuntu
[04:58] <neozen> SirBob1701: drat
[04:59] <Koganei> thanks b/w
[04:59] <xX-ACID-Xx> sorry im pretty new at linux im not sure about linux download programs
[04:59] <Pelo> xX-ACID-Xx,  no there isn't you install it just like you install anything else  with syanptic or with apt-get
[04:59] <cables> xX-ACID-Xx, seriously, for Ubuntu 7.04, then switch to it. And don't call what you're using Ubuntu... it's not Ubuntu.
[04:59] <SirBob1701> noezen: know anything about mplayer settings?
[04:59] <neozen> SirBob1701: did you use automatix to install mplayer or something?
[04:59] <cables> Pelo, no you don't
[04:59] <waxyfresh> xX-ACID-Xx: ive been violenyly fight with beryl for weeks
[04:59] <mobomelter> hey how do i kill folding at home in console
[04:59] <cables> xX-ACID-Xx, I meant "wait for ubuntu 7.04"
[04:59] <Pelo> cables,  you need the proper repos first
[04:59] <Koganei> oh yeah, what about video codecs? would VLC simply take care of all of that?
[04:59] <cables> mobomelter, close the console or ctrl-c
[04:59] <xX-ACID-Xx> right now im using edgy eft
[04:59] <mobomelter> cool
[05:00] <cables> xX-ACID-Xx, didn't you say it was ultimate edition?
[05:00] <waxyfresh> is there a   way to upgrade to fiesty without updateing my sources.list?
[05:00] <harry_> I have an ubuntu machine that is connected diretly (i.e. the cable runs from one network card straight to the other one) to another machine which is using a live CD. How do I get them to recognize each other to do remote desktops?
[05:00] <cables> !feistyupgrades | waxyfresh
[05:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about feistyupgrades - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:00] <qbert> how do i set keyboard shortcuts for gnome ?
[05:00] <SirBob1701> neozen nope i just used synaptic
[05:00] <xX-ACID-Xx> no i jus asked how hard it was cos im downloading it now
[05:00] <cables> !upgrades | waxyfresh
[05:00] <ubotu> waxyfresh: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[05:00] <LRP> Okay guys, I'm gonna reboot now, thanks, I'll be back in a few with the results
[05:00] <neozen> SirBob1701: curious...
[05:00] <cables> xX-ACID-Xx, don't use ultimate edition, if you do you won't get support here.
[05:00] <neozen> SirBob1701: no such package appears on dapper
[05:00] <xX-ACID-Xx> k
[05:00] <SirBob1701> hmm
[05:00] <neozen> SirBob1701: even with the backports enabled
[05:00] <Frog29> hey, can someone help me with a "can't access tty; job control turned off" error?
[05:01] <qbert> !keyboard
[05:01] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[05:01] <K3nto> xX-ACID-Xx: sorry, ultimate edition of what?
[05:01] <qbert> !shorcuts
[05:01] <SirBob1701> wonder if its cause i have mozill suite installed I highly doubt it tho
[05:01] <qbert> !shortcuts
[05:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shorcuts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:01] <xX-ACID-Xx> cos last time i tried to install beryl on edgy i stuffes it up and it said that it had no graphical interface
[05:01] <cables> xX-ACID-Xx, if you want Beryl, just wait until Ubuntu 7.04 comes out on April 19... it's got Compiz built in, and beryl is much easier to install than it is on Edgy
[05:01] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[05:01] <gaspipe1> just curious... i have edgy 64 bit... when i upgrade should I start over with fawn or should i upgrade fawn 64?
[05:01] <xX-ACID-Xx> k
[05:01] <cables> K3nto, it's a 3rd party derivative of Ubuntu
[05:01] <Marupa> Anyone notice how the latest updates are making stuff in Ubuntu crash?
[05:01] <K3nto> ah
[05:01] <Marupa> I've had firefox crash six times today, usually it's once every other day.  Gnome-panel has crashed four times.
[05:02] <Pelo> Marupa,  didn'T happen to me but my install is pretty basic
[05:02] <neozen> guys.... how do i remove a dependancy from a package?
[05:02] <wilo> good afternoon all
[05:02] <neozen> or tell apt that I actually have a package?
[05:02] <Flannel> neozen: you don't.  That's the point.
[05:02] <neozen> Flannel: but there must be a way
[05:02] <Flannel> neozen: to remove a depenency?  no
[05:02] <Marupa> so is there a way to figure out what's making something crash?
[05:02] <Pelo> neozen,  if the dependency is already there it won't get reinstalled
[05:02] <mobomelter> alright had to fix folding so it ran in the right place
[05:02] <xX-ACID-Xx> i think i accidentally made linux dual boot with windows
[05:02] <a-865> what package needs to be reconfigured when a sound card is changed?
[05:02] <neozen> Flannel: ok... how do I tell it I have a package it thinks I don't
[05:02] <mobomelter> since it adds files
[05:02] <wilo> is there a way i can check why a application doesn run/work when i tell it to run?
[05:03] <gravemind> genii: my permissions for my home folder are still slightly off...
[05:03] <neozen> wilo: lol... perhaps
[05:03] <wilo> like one will open, it will load of modules then it crashes
[05:03] <xX-ACID-Xx> its annoying it makes me choose what to startup when i turn on my computer
[05:03] <neozen> wilo: try running it on the terminal
[05:03] <gravemind> genii: I still get the message when I log in
[05:03] <Pelo> wilo,  did you try reintalling it ?
[05:03] <wilo> lol no they are gui apps
[05:03] <neozen> xX-ACID-Xx: you mean grub?
[05:03] <xX-ACID-Xx> yeh
[05:03] <wilo> one is frostwire the othe ris ZERUS
[05:03] <wilo> azerus*
[05:03] <Pelo> wilo,  which app ?
[05:03] <neozen> wilo: run them from the terminal anyway
[05:03] <ceeg> wilo: launch the gui app from the terminal regardless
[05:04] <neozen> wilo: they will output debugging info to the terminal window
[05:04] <wilo> how do i launch from terminalcd (to directory) then?
[05:04] <qbert> is there anyway to bind keyboard shortcuts to execute programs other than whats in System->Preferences ?
[05:04] <Pelo> wilo,   there is a buggy version of frostwire,  get the latest , and you need to install  java to make it work
[05:04] <ceeg> wilo: type the name of the program
[05:04] <genii> gravemind Mostly the permissions in your home dir should be 755 by default
[05:04] <xX-ACID-Xx> and i cant startup windows without having my other hdd with linux on it
[05:04] <neozen> Flannel: any idea on that package issue
[05:04] <wilo> Pelo: thats the thing
[05:04] <mobomelter> its wierd that rebooting makes that program work
[05:04] <wilo> i got latest, and it was working fine,
[05:04] <Frog29> Flannel: thanks for all the hlep yesterday
[05:04] <xipietotec> after installing linux-restricted-modules, will I need to reboot for changes to take effect?
[05:04] <gravemind> genii: hmm, how should I go about fixing the permissions then?
[05:04] <neozen> Flannel: I want to lie to apt... and tell it I have mplayer (because i do... I compiled from source and installed)
[05:04] <wilo> every since i installed beryl it shits its self and nerver even runs
[05:04] <octoberdan> How does the ubuntu-desktop package "ensure proper upgrades"?
[05:05] <Bitmess> How much disk space should be for Ubuntu?
[05:05] <gravemind> genii: I don't know which permissions to change, and which to leave alone
[05:05] <Pelo> wilo,  try asking #beryl if they are aware of a problem
[05:05] <neozen> Flannel: and it says it cannot install b/c the mplayer package in the repos is a virtual package
[05:05] <Brismetal> Hi, I've been having problems with 6.10 Ubuntu so I just installed the beta of the new one, after I complete installation and re-boot the grub loader does not show up.  I tried following a guide to set it up but still nothing, what can I do to check what's wrong?
[05:05] <wilo> Pelo: on freenode?
[05:05] <neozen> Bitmess: as in... for the os itself?
[05:05] <Pelo> wilo,  yep
[05:05] <genii> gravemind I suspect mostly they are OK actually. Unless you are doing something like copying files into there as root or some other user etc
[05:05] <xipietotec> Bitmess: ubuntu requires at least 3 gigs to install
[05:05] <xX-ACID-Xx> anyone have any ideas?
[05:05] <mobomelter> hey how do i make my home drive show up on the desktop?
[05:06] <mobomelter> the directory i have showing is my shared fat 32 windows/linux directory
[05:06] <neozen> Bitmess: my / never grows any larger then 5 gb
[05:06] <genii> gravemind Which program complains?
[05:06] <tovella> octoberdan: i believe dpkg, apt, or aptitude handles it very well.
[05:06] <neozen> Bitmess: so 7 should be more then adequate
[05:06] <wilo> Pelo: befor i truy tat
[05:06] <Flannel> neozen: You could build a dummy package, that provides mplayer
[05:06] <Bitmess> Will 10 Gigs be enough for Ubuntu?
[05:06] <Flannel> Frog29: no problem.  That's what we're here for.
[05:06] <wilo> how do i run in terminal to see error status
[05:06] <neozen> Flannel: ok... how do I do that
[05:06] <Bitmess> Ok, I hheard 7
[05:06] <Pelo> mobomelter,  make a shortcut
[05:06] <gravemind> genii: no particular program - it's when I login to my ubuntu account
[05:06] <tovella> Bitmess: oh, yeah - more than enough.
[05:06] <genii> Bitmess: Yes, lots of room
[05:06] <mobomelter> how lol
[05:06] <Frog29> now... can  iask another question :) how do i fix a tty error on startup?
[05:06] <mobomelter> linux nub
[05:07] <gravemind> genii: but Gaim never saves any accounts - I have to add them each time
[05:07] <octoberdan> tovella: In the package description for ubuntu-desktop it says "It is also used to help ensure proper upgrades, so it is recommended that it not be removed."
[05:07] <Pelo> wilo,  just type  frostwire in the terminal
[05:07] <neozen> Bitmess: more then enough
[05:07] <Bitmess> As long as i don't rip CD or DVDs, I recon?
[05:07] <Pelo> wilo,  I don'T know of any switch for debug info
[05:07] <genii> gravemind Do you know how to use the pastebin website?