[05:36] <user|79> Question?
[05:41] <user|79> I am using 22.04 LTS on a thumb drive with persistence.  It worked great for quite a while but eventually the Discover software center ceased to work.  No updates at all.  The screen scrolls up at the bottom with error codes, but can't read them fast enough. Is there any way to fix this?  I Love  the distro and want to install however the full
[05:41] <user|79> install on my wife's laptop does the same thing and I am unsure whether it is worth the trouble now.
[05:41] <user|79> Any help is appreciated.
[05:43] <user|79> Nope?  OK thanks anyway.
 When kubuntu 23.04 is out will i be able to upgrade from kubuntu 22.04 directly?
[07:40] <alkisg> No
[08:21] <Guest55> hi all
[08:22] <Guest55> I have a question about Linux and its services running in the background.
[08:23] <Guest55> I have debian (kde installed) and I found that there is some apache2 services and python3 running in background from the root user. And I do not remember registering this services.
[08:23] <Guest55> Thanks.
[08:26] <alkisg> You installed apache at some point, you may see when in /var/log/apt/history.log
[08:30] <Guest55> I never installed. Probably was already installed. And if I installed apache2 server why he's running from root after I boot up?
[08:30] <Guest55> Thanks.
[08:39] <alkisg> Guest55: debian policy says that "when you install a service, it's started by default"
[08:39] <alkisg> "was already installed" ==> not in any debian or ubuntu distribution
[08:39] <alkisg> If you came after another sysadmin installed apache, they should have told you they installed it
[08:40] <alkisg> You can check the file I mentioned for the exact date that a local sysadmin installed apache
[08:41] <user|98> hi
[08:41] <user|98> i like to install kubuntu in dual boot with win10
[08:41] <user|98> win 10 is on C
[08:42] <user|98> Kubuntu i like to install on K
[08:42] <user|98> K is part of D
[08:42] <user|98> how to ?
[08:45] <Guest55> alkisg as I said, I never remember specifically installing apache2 (and its my personal PC). I just disable the service in systemctl.
[08:45] <Guest55> Thank you.
[08:46] <Guest55> *it is
[08:46] <alkisg> Guest55: for example you might have installed ANOTHER package that depended on apache
[08:46] <alkisg> The logs will tell us, if you want to look at them
[08:49] <Guest55> alkisg
[08:49] <Guest55> Yes, It as "git-all".
[08:50] <Guest55> Probably to run git diff in web. alkisg
[08:50] <Guest55> *was
[08:51] <alkisg> Guest55: we have the definite answer in the logs. If you want my help in reading the logs, you may upload them to pastebin
[08:51] <alkisg> Guessing isn't my forte, I prefer to look at proof
[08:51] <Guest55> alkisg
[08:51] <Guest55> I found it in the logs. The only place was after installing "git-all".
[08:53] <alkisg> apt install git-all doesn't install apache for me, it doesn't depend on it
[08:57] <Guest55> alkisg
[08:57] <Guest55> Start-Date: 2022-12-04  02:39:10
[08:57] <Guest55> Commandline: apt install git-all
[08:57] <Guest55> Requested-By: john (1000)
[08:57] <Guest55> Install: emacs:amd64 (1:27.1+1-3.1, automatic), libsub-exporter-perl:amd64 (0.987-1, automatic), git-email:amd64 (1:2.30.2-1, automatic), libnet-dns-perl:amd64 (1.29-1, automatic), libxstring-perl:amd64 (0.005-1+b1, automatic), libclass-c3-xs-perl:amd64 (0.15-1+b1, automatic), libvariable-magic-perl:amd64 (0.62-1+b3, automatic), git-mediawiki:amd64
[08:57] <Guest55> (1:2.30.2-1, automatic), libnet-domain-tld-perl:amd64 (1.75-1.1, automatic), libreadonly-perl:amd64 (2.050-3, automatic), elpa-transient:amd64 (<IP_ADDRESS>.g4d44d08-2, automatic), libtypes-serialiser-perl:amd64 (1.01-1, automatic), libdbi-perl:amd64 (1.643-3+b1, automatic), libdatetime-format-builder-perl:amd64 (0.8300-1, automatic), cvs:amd64
[08:58] <alkisg> And where is apache in the lines that you pasted?
[09:03] <Guest55> I don't understand this bot is spamming users IP address in main chat?
 Why? (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> No)
[09:23] <alkisg> Omar, because the only "jump" allowed is from LTS to the next LTS; all the other upgrades must be done sequentially, without jumping versions
 So i have to go 22.10 first
 Is it stable as lts?
[09:26] <alkisg> No
[09:26] <alkisg> Non-LTS releases have less users, less testing, less fixing
 Aha ok thanks i'll stick to the LTS then
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 DE5
[17:22] <user|19> okay kubuntu gurus, got a question for yas. 22.04LTS. why doesn't grub customizer work? it used to work on xubuntu. installed g-c, and it opens and pretends to save changes, but boot doesn't change at all.
[17:27] <oerheks> because of a bug.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-customizer/+bug/1969353
[17:27] -ubottu:#kubuntu- Launchpad bug 1969353 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Impish) "Apt/Grub issue with 22.04 Upgrade (Missing libcrypto.so.1.1)" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[17:27] <oerheks> fromhttps://www.linuxfordevices.com/tutorials/linux/grub-customizer-tutorial
[17:29] <oerheks> and the fix is in there too, use the ppa
[17:54] <CreativityNull> hey guys,
[17:54] <CreativityNull> how do I change my accent colour for task manager and menu?
[17:54] <CreativityNull> It's still default blue even though I changed it
[17:56] <CreativityNull> s/menu/application launcher


[04:15] <pleia2> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1988
[04:15] <pleia2> :)
[04:15] <pleia2> thanks nhandler!
[04:16] <nhandler> :)
[04:35] <elky> would it be terribly wrong to hope someone can put the IWD story comp voting link up on fridge at some point in the next 6 days?
[04:36] <nigelb> nhandler: ^ ;)
[04:40] <nhandler> elky: If you send me an email with what you put up (or a link to a blog post or something similar), I should be able to take care of it
[04:47] <MarkDude> elky great interview on the Fridge. I missed it in FC magazine
[04:49] <MarkDude> Ubuntu Women should be its own bullet point IMO.
[07:41] <dholbach> good morning
[08:46] <akgraner> REMINDER: UW Project Team Meeting - today March 2, 2010 - 2100UTC in #ubuntu-women-project Agenda: http://tinyurl.com/yglkr9v
[09:21] <czajkowski> Group honors three women for contributions to tech  http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=223101100
[09:39]  * AlanBell likes the agenda
[09:40] <czajkowski> AlanBell: agenda or agenda layout ;)
[09:40] <AlanBell> both
[09:40] <AlanBell> measurable goals ftw
[09:40] <AlanBell> mootbot friendly layout ftw
[09:40]  * czajkowski nods and smiles
[17:49] <Pendulum> AlanBell: as an FYI, there are actually 2 women up for membership today
[17:49] <maco2> oh?
[17:49] <AlanBell> yup
[17:50] <Pendulum> issyl0 and a French woman who goes by kinouchou
[17:50] <AlanBell> I spotted that
[17:50]  * Pendulum has a habit of looking at wikis of people up for membership and seeing if she can figure out who is likely to get membership and who isn't
[17:51] <Pendulum> I see no reason to stop now that I no longer have to worry about my wiki
[17:51] <Mamarok> when is that meeting?
[17:51] <AlanBell> there was a developer board membership meeting too I think
[17:51] <Pendulum> today at 20:00 UTC
[17:52] <Pendulum> was there? (I don't follow those as much as I have no idea how developer board stuff goes)
[17:52] <Mamarok> oh, 2 meetings to attend today then :)
[17:52] <AlanBell> I don't know who (if anyone) was up for that one, just saw it on the fridge
[17:52]  * Pendulum is hoping to be able to attend the meetings today, but isn't sure if it'll be possible :-/
[17:54] <maco2> the DMB is probably just going to be discussing archive reorg stuff some more
[17:54] <maco2> unless there's someone up for core dev
[17:54] <maco2> everything other than core-dev has been delegated, i think
[17:55] <Pendulum> *nods* I meant EMEA and UW meetings :)
[17:55] <maco2> and i think usually "such-and-such is going for core-dev" is discussed on mailing lists beforehand so that the DMB can get input from others such as the MOTU Council
[18:08] <MichelleQ1> hi al
[18:08] <MichelleQ1> all, rather
[18:11] <Pendulum> hi MichelleQ1
[19:21] <akgraner> UDS ANNOUNCED!! Announcing The 10.10 !Ubuntu Developer Summit - http://www.jonobacon.org/ - check it out!
[19:22] <Pendulum> :)
[19:41] <issyl0> :D
[19:41] <issyl0> If only I knew when my RS exam... wait, I do... I had a sheet of paper here somewhere... haha that's a laugh
[19:41] <issyl0> 18th!  WIN!
[19:42] <maco2> i have two exams on the 10th
[19:42] <maco2> will have to see if i can take them early
[19:42] <issyl0> Awww :(
[19:42] <Pendulum> I'm due to quit my job around then. I may tell them I'm leaving a week earlier than I originally planned on making my final day
[19:46] <akgraner> hey anyone in here a Fridge admin?
[19:48] <MichelleQ1> "Not I," quacked the duck.
[19:52]  * issyl0 goes to get caffeine.
[19:53] <Pendulum> issyl0: don't over-caffinate
[19:53] <issyl0> I know, I know :)
[19:54] <MichelleQ1> just sufficiently caffeinate.  :)
[19:54] <Pendulum> well, yeah, but no point in making yourself jittery
[19:55] <issyl0> Pendulum: that's erm what I'm trying to stop ;)
[19:55] <akgraner> maco2, can you dent from the ubuntuwomen group about the meeting in an hour :-) and attach the agenda pls  - if you don't mind
[19:55] <issyl0> But it's a different kind of jittery, agreed.
[19:57] <maco2> akgraner: dented
[19:58] <akgraner> Thanks!  who else can dent as ubuntuwomen?
[19:59] <maco2> akgraner: anyone who has joined the group :P
[19:59] <akgraner> well don't you have to log in to get it to come from ubuntuwomen
[20:00] <maco2> no, its a group
[20:01] <maco2> anyone who has joined the group can send to it by putting !ubuntuwomen in their message
[20:01] <maco2> it's not a separate account
[20:02] <akgraner> Oh I thought is was set up as a seperate account so that it comes from ubuntuwomen and doesn't just use the group name  - oops sorry I misunderstood how it was set up :-(
[20:03] <maco2> i dont think there's an account..
[20:04] <akgraner> :-) no worries
[20:45] <akgraner> 15 minutes :-)
[20:46] <Pendulum> btw, issyl0 is up right now at the EMEA meeting
[20:59] <akgraner> yep it is almost that time folks :-)
[20:59] <maco2> issyl0's in!
[20:59] <maco2> rikkikite: hi rikki!
[20:59] <maco2> issyl0 just got voted in as an ubuntu member
[20:59] <issyl0> Well that was an interrogation and a half!
[21:00] <akgraner> ok lets get started - maco can you remind folks in -women to come here pls :-)
[21:00] <maco2> rikkikite: oh er, this is mackenzie. we met at OLF.
[21:00] <rikkikite> hi all
[21:00] <akgraner> hey rikkikite  :-)
[21:00] <akgraner> #startmeeting
[21:00] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 21:00. The chair is akgraner.
[21:00] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:01] <akgraner> here is the agenda for today's meeting - it is a bit long   - but wanted to start the discussion
[21:01] <akgraner> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/March2010/Agenda
[21:01] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/March2010/Agenda
[21:01] <pleia2> issyl0: congrats! :D
[21:01] <akgraner> also for this meeting the mootbot-uk is a new mootbot with will give some different outputs
[21:01] <maco2> akgraner: the thing we were talking about about a blog the other day isnt on the agenda. is it being included in the "PR" agenda item?
[21:01] <akgraner> Congrats issyl0 !
[21:02] <akgraner> maco2, yes
[21:02] <akgraner> so who is here for the meeting?
[21:02] <maco2> o/
[21:02] <akgraner> 0/
[21:02] <maiatoday> o/
[21:02] <Pendulum> o/
[21:02] <pleia2> o/ (but at work, so standard conditions apply ;))
[21:02] <rikkikite> o/
[21:02] <AlanBell> present, but on a blackberry
[21:02] <Pendulum> (/me is also at work so maybe only partially here)
[21:03] <axolote> present
[21:03] <akgraner> alright I am sure there will be others who join in as we progress through the agenda
[21:03] <valorie> I'm here
[21:03] <sil> present
[21:03] <issyl0> akgraner, pleia2, thanksssss!
[21:03] <akgraner> welcome everyone I'll give you a sec to open the wiki
[21:04] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Open Items
[21:04] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Open Items
[21:04] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - MENTORING PROGRAM - Reviving the Mentoring program. Why? Ubuntu has many training programs and yet some folks forget that its sometimes harder to ask silly questions and learn with a room full of strangers on irc. Some points to consider:
[21:04] <akgraner>     * The focus should be on women being encouraged and getting one-one mentoring for any technical task of her choice (sometimes this choice can be difficult and needs advice)
[21:04] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - MENTORING PROGRAM - Reviving the Mentoring program. Why? Ubuntu has many training programs and yet some folks forget that its sometimes harder to ask silly questions and learn with a room full of strangers on irc. Some points to consider:
[21:04] <popey> o/
[21:05] <akgraner> svaksha, added this to the agenda but I believe it is something we all want to see succeed...
[21:05] <Mamarok> o/
[21:06] <akgraner> right now I believe we have people listed on the wiki who are are willing to be mentors - but is anyone actively mentoring anyone?
[21:06] <akgraner> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/MentoringFAQ
[21:06] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/MentoringFAQ
[21:06] <issyl0> Hello.
[21:07] <Mamarok> akgraner: nobody reported any mentorship AFAIK
[21:07] <akgraner> and here is the link to the mentoring program as it appears on the website - http://www.ubuntu-women.org/mentoring.html
[21:07] <valorie> it would be nice if both those giving and getting mentoring would blog about it
[21:08] <Mamarok> so maybe if mentors actually have mentees they should report it, either on their blog and/or on the wiki
[21:08] <Mamarok> valorie: :)
[21:08] <valorie> gmta
[21:08] <valorie> lol
[21:08] <Pendulum> should someone maybe actually blog about the mentorship program?
[21:08] <Mamarok> that would be useful, indeed
[21:08] <akgraner> [idea] blog about mentorship program
[21:08] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  blog about mentorship program
[21:08] <Pendulum> it's not something we necessarily talk about and it may need a little publicity
[21:08] <Mamarok> to make it known to a wider public
[21:08]  * Mamarok plans a blog
[21:08] <maco2> im not activey mentoring anyone atm. tell me if you want to learn about motu!
[21:09] <akgraner> [idea] mentors and mentees talk about it/discuss it as well blog, mailing lists, irc etc
[21:09] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  mentors and mentees talk about it/discuss it as well blog, mailing lists, irc etc
[21:09] <akgraner> who on the team has blogs?
[21:09] <akgraner> o/
[21:09] <Pendulum> o/
[21:10] <akk> o/
[21:10] <maco2> o/
[21:10] <pleia2> we can look at planet.ubuntu-women.org for that :)
[21:10] <Mamarok> o/
[21:10] <maco2> pleia2: haha fair point
[21:10] <Mamarok> and maybe encourage those who are not on planet yet to get added
[21:11] <akgraner> pleia2, you beat me to that I wanted people to see who all in here has blogs then point to planet ubuntu-women :-)
[21:11] <czajkowski> I'll blog about it, not down as a mentor but shall blog and poke folks
[21:12] <akgraner> so I don't think getting the word out will be an issues - what about the program as it is right now besides communication needs to be revamped?
[21:12] <akgraner> besides outward community facing communication I mean
[21:13] <akgraner> suggestions? ideas? wish list?
[21:13] <axolote> As someone who is really stoked about the Opportunistic Developer possibilities, I'd love to see some mentorship in some of the tools that are being pushed for app development (e.g., python, desktopcouch,pygtk, quickly, bazaar, ground control, etc.)
[21:14] <akgraner> [idea] -  Opportunistic Developer possibilities, I'd love to see some mentorship in some of the tools that are being pushed for app development (e.g., python, desktopcouch,pygtk, quickly, bazaar, ground control, etc.)
[21:14] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  -  Opportunistic Developer possibilities, I'd love to see some mentorship in some of the tools that are being pushed for app development (e.g., python, desktopcouch,pygtk, quickly, bazaar, ground control, etc.)
[21:14] <maco2> heh bazaar is the only one of those i can use
[21:14] <Pendulum> I really think pushing for female mentors when possible
[21:14] <maco2> axolote: i hear ground control is broken right now due to the openid changes to launchpad
[21:14] <akk> axolote: Do we have any mentees who want help with development? I didn't think we did.
[21:14] <axolote> maco2: yes it is.
[21:15] <akgraner> [idea] more female mentors
[21:15] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  more female mentors
[21:15] <valorie> sorry, my wireless cut out
[21:15] <valorie> reading up
[21:15] <maco2> akgraner: if we do, i havent heard about them, cuz development is what i'm willing to mentor on
[21:15] <akk> Me too.
[21:15] <maiatoday> I wouldn't mind doing some dev work
[21:15] <maco2> er
[21:15] <maco2> that was aimed at akk
[21:15] <maiatoday> being a mentee that is
[21:16] <akk> I had the impression we had a substantial list of mentor volunteers but no mentees ever asked.
[21:16] <maiatoday> I'll mail you maco2
[21:16] <maco2> maiatoday: ok
[21:16] <akgraner> [action] those willing to be mentors make sure you are listed on the mentors page
[21:16] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  those willing to be mentors make sure you are listed on the mentors page
[21:17] <pleia2> would mentors have to be "ubuntu women mentors" or can we link people up with existing mentorship programs? (i'd prefer the latter)
[21:17] <pleia2> the latter is kinda what we do now, it's just not documented
[21:18] <Pendulum> I think it should be a mix of both
[21:18] <pleia2> yeah
[21:18] <Pendulum> because if I asked in UW for a mentor, I'd be specifically looking for a female mentor for whatever reason
[21:18] <axolote> i think we should accept any help/metorship that is available
[21:18] <pleia2> I dunno, a lot of women come here looking for direction
[21:18] <akgraner> [idea] link ubuntu women project team members up with existing mentors in the community
[21:18] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  link ubuntu women project team members up with existing mentors in the community
[21:18] <Pendulum> but I recognize that for some people what they're really looking for is general direction
[21:19] <pleia2> not specifically women to mentor them, just *someone*
[21:19] <pleia2> since they don't know where to start in the community
[21:19] <axolote> eventually, as more women become more comfortable with developing, we can get more women mentoring other women.
[21:19] <axolote> But, I think that in the context of "opportunistic development", we can really get more women contributing on the development side, provided we have other experienced people willing to mentor in the aforementioned tools.
[21:19] <Pendulum> I would suggest, however, that when we know that there is a women-friendly mentor out in the community (whether female or male or chicken) that we direct that way since as much as I hate to say it, there are people in the Ubuntu community who are not
[21:19] <maco2> axolote: pykde and kapptemplate too?
[21:20] <pleia2> Pendulum: *nod*
[21:20] <maiatoday> maybe the concept of a buddy from ubuntu-women more than a mentor just to encourage whoever is being mentored to take a step
[21:20] <akgraner> so how does the sound over the next two weeks we update/create a list of UW team members who are willing to mentor or who need mentorship
[21:20] <maco2> axolote: those are the tools im currently learning to use. apparently kapptemplate is like kde's version of quickly
[21:20] <axolote> maco2: of course :)  Those were just examples, hence the e.g., :)
[21:21] <pleia2> I just don't really like the idea of a static mentor list since it gets outdated so quickly, and leveraging existing programs as well will really broaden the ability for us to offer mentors
[21:21] <axolote> maiatoday: yeah, a dev buddy would be great too.
[21:21] <akgraner> also durning the next 2 weeks we clean up the wiki's and get the pages polished
[21:21] <akk> What is the current mentoring page?
[21:22] <akk> Googling for ubuntu women mentors took me to http://ubuntu-women.org/mentoring.html
[21:22] <akgraner> akk, I am not sure we have a list as of right now other than the team list
[21:22] <maco2> akk: a static page on ubuntu-women.org, not even a wiki page
[21:22] <akk> which doesn't list either me or maco
[21:22] <pleia2> that static page links to a bunch of wiki page
[21:22] <pleia2> s
[21:22] <akgraner> akk - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/MentoringFAQ
[21:22] <maco2> though i think we started making a list on the wiki..
[21:22] <akk> so it looks like we have an out-of-date page that's first on google
[21:22] <valorie> perhaps the static page should just point to a wiki page?
[21:22] <pleia2> akk: yeah, it's all a mess :) that's why we are having this meeting
[21:23] <valorie> explain the basics > wiki which can be kept up-to-date
[21:23] <pleia2> all need to be rewritten
[21:23] <akk> Weird, just a month or two ago I got mail asking for my info to update the mentoring page, so I figured that part had been updated.
[21:23] <akgraner> so who can take ownership of cleaning up the mentoring wiki's
[21:23] <akgraner> and who can help
[21:23] <akk> What happened to that info?
[21:23] <akgraner> people were cleaning and adding to this page - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Profiles
[21:24] <akgraner> akk this is the one people were working 2 weeks or so ago
[21:24] <akk> I'm not even on that page -- never heard of it before.
[21:24] <akk> But no, the mail I'm talking about was specifically for "the" mentoring page (I guess there isn't just one, though).
[21:24] <akgraner> so the action item is to clean up the mentoring wiki's but who will talk the lead on that?
[21:25] <akgraner> akk I haven't seem one :-(
[21:25] <akk> There was also a question about "are you willing to mentor guys, since we don't have any women asking?"
[21:26] <akgraner> wouldn't that be up to the individual mentor?
[21:26] <pleia2> akk: are you sure you're not thinking of debian women?
[21:26] <pleia2> they just redid their mentoring program a couple months ago
[21:27] <akk> pleia2: I just found the message -- yes, maybe it was for Debian, not Ubuntu. The message wasn't very clear and I guess I just assumed Ubuntu.
[21:27] <akk> Okay, sorry, I was confused.
[21:27] <axolote> Sorry, so which page is or will be the official mentoring page?
[21:27] <maco2> i think it should be the wiki pae
[21:27] <maco2> *page
[21:27] <maco2> easier to update
[21:27] <pleia2> maco2: +1
[21:27] <akgraner> [ACTION] clean up mentoring wiki pages  - then roll out a campaign to communicate it to the community
[21:28] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  clean up mentoring wiki pages  - then roll out a campaign to communicate it to the community
[21:28] <Pendulum> if I can get some guidance, I'm willing to do it
[21:29] <akgraner> [ACTION] Pendulum to drive efforts to clean up wiki's with guidance from team members
[21:29] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  Pendulum to drive efforts to clean up wiki's with guidance from team members
[21:29] <pleia2> I can help too, and since I have access to the server I can sort out getting our menu and that static page removed/redirected
[21:29] <Pendulum> pleia2: good since I definitely can't do that bit, thanks :)
[21:30] <akgraner> once we have the wiki's polished we can take that and clean up with website - yes?
[21:30] <axolote> just to confirm, we're referring to this page?: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/MentoringFAQ
[21:30] <pleia2> axolote: referring to all our mentoring pages
[21:30] <akgraner> and all the supporting pages
[21:30] <pleia2> there are a number of them
[21:31] <akgraner> pleia2,  - once the wiki's represent the mentoring program correctly - will be an easy fix to clean up that area on the website?
[21:31] <pleia2> akgraner: yep
[21:31] <axolote> okay, so the one on ubuntu-women.org as well, + others. okay, got it.
[21:32] <pleia2> I can change the link in the menu and set up a redirect on http://ubuntu-women.org/mentoring.html
[21:32] <akgraner> pleia2, will you take ownership of transition the wiki info to the website and do you want to train anyone to help with that?
[21:32] <pleia2> akgraner: I'll do it
[21:32] <akgraner> ie mentor :-)
[21:33] <pleia2> I can train someone else too, but we'd also need to give them shell access to the server (this is done by contacting canonical, can take a while)
[21:33] <akgraner> pleia2, ahh ok :-) thanks!!
[21:34] <Pendulum> pleia2: well depending on how extensive the wiki clean up needs to be ;)
[21:34] <akgraner> [ACTION] pleia2 to make sure the website reflects the wiki's when the wiki's are completed to team satisfaction
[21:34] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  pleia2 to make sure the website reflects the wiki's when the wiki's are completed to team satisfaction
[21:35] <akgraner> ok next topic then
[21:35] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - INCREASING NUMBER OF WOMEN UBUNTU MEMBERS - Percentage targets for proportion of women Ubuntu Members to be discussed further
[21:35] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - INCREASING NUMBER OF WOMEN UBUNTU MEMBERS - Percentage targets for proportion of women Ubuntu Members to be discussed further
[21:36] <akgraner> This was discussed back in January - and AlanBell bell has done a remarkable job setting the spreadsheets and wiki's with all the data
[21:36] <akgraner> I am not convinced that we should target Ubuntu Memebership right away
[21:37] <akgraner> I think increased Ubuntu Membership will happen as we become more active in the areas listed as measurable goals under new business
[21:37] <AlanBell> neither am I!
[21:37] <axolote> I agree.
[21:37] <pleia2> +1
[21:38] <AlanBell> it is a side effect of everything the group does
[21:38] <valorie> I hope we continue to encourage, promote, and high five new members though
[21:38] <akgraner> Is there anyone who would like to help AlanBell maintain the metrics
[21:38] <maiatoday> if there are more active women, membership will follow by itself
[21:38] <AlanBell> it is measurable and can have targets against it
[21:38] <pleia2> it's great to keep track of so we can measure progress
[21:39] <AlanBell> but they should be achieved by just getting more people involved
[21:39] <czajkowski> I'll help AlanBell with the maintaining of the metrics?
[21:39] <valorie> well, and always saying 'you can do it'
[21:39] <akgraner> also any objections looking at the new items on the agenda as this ties into those?
[21:39] <valorie> and being willing to help with wikis and such
[21:39] <AlanBell> I see it as a good measure of the overall sucess of the project
[21:40] <akgraner> [ACTION] czajkowski to help AlanBell bell with updating ubuntu membership metrics
[21:40] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  czajkowski to help AlanBell bell with updating ubuntu membership metrics
[21:41] <AlanBell> thanks czajkowski !
[21:41] <akgraner> [idea] review and present this data at UDS  - as a way to measure overall community change
[21:41] <Mootbot-UK> IDEA received:  review and present this data at UDS  - as a way to measure overall community change
[21:41] <czajkowski> AlanBell: nay bother
[21:41] <akgraner> thanks czajkowski!
[21:42] <czajkowski> good idea also
[21:42] <valorie> thank you, and thank you to Pendulum too
[21:43] <akgraner> and by change I hope it will show progress, growth, etc by both men and women but over time see some balance
[21:43]  * valorie is jammed right now and can't offer to volunteer any more....
[21:43] <akgraner> [ACTION] akgraner to talk to community team about best ways to present metrics at UDS
[21:43] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  akgraner to talk to community team about best ways to present metrics at UDS
[21:44] <akgraner> ok so we have about 15 mins left - so I am not going to lay out all the agenda items but will run through them right quick and post them to the mailing list for further discussion - is that ok with you all?
[21:45] <akgraner> however there is one that need some discussion today -
[21:45] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - New Items
[21:45] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - New Items
[21:46] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - UBUNTU WOMEN DAY - International Women's Day: Ubuntu Women's Day - Highlighting women within the Ubuntu Community
[21:46] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - UBUNTU WOMEN DAY - International Women's Day: Ubuntu Women's Day - Highlighting women within the Ubuntu Community
[21:47] <akgraner> so it was suggested that we have an Ubuntu Women day where the Ubuntu Community is encouraged to take a back from Ada Love Day and blog about women in the Ubuntu Community
[21:48] <akgraner> what do you all think?  Considering March 8th is around the corner if we are going to do this we need to get it announced NLT tomorrow morning
[21:49] <akgraner> comments, concerns. ideas, objections???
[21:49] <Pendulum> I think it's generally a good idea
[21:49] <czajkowski> Is it a a bit late, would it be best to put aside a month some time to do this ? like May month of blog about women in Ubuntun ?
[21:50] <czajkowski> is there enough time is what I'm trying to get at
[21:50] <valorie> question -- are there other 'month of blog' stuff in Ubuntu?
[21:50] <akgraner> also the voting for our Other competiton will be on the Fridge if it is not already and to various blogs and mailing lists - one it hits the Fridge can you all that have blogs grab it an get it out as well?
[21:51] <czajkowski> valorie: no idea, was just an idea tbh. I'd rather do something properly then half assed with a week to do it
[21:51] <valorie> I'm just wondering if we advocate for a month of blogging about women, if there would be a backlash against that
[21:51] <maco2> valorie: not that im aware of
[21:51] <czajkowski> valorie: same could be said about a day, shrugs
[21:51] <valorie> sure
[21:52] <valorie> I'm not sure my concern is valid
[21:52] <akgraner> valorie, czajkowski  - I think if we all blogged about it and it was on the Fridge - as well as Ubuntu User, OMG!Ubuntu, workwithu, and all the mailing lists we could get some good feedback
[21:52] <valorie> but when I think about Skud's blog and etc. -- ugh
[21:52] <czajkowski> akgraner: I think it's a great idea don't get me wrong, just 6 days to do so means it may not get done well
[21:52] <akgraner> this would be on March 8th, in conjunction with International Women's Day
[21:52] <axolote> If it is too late for international women's day, perhaps the blogging could coincide with the april ubuntu release.
[21:53] <czajkowski> axolote: nice idea
[21:53] <pleia2> we could just promote http://findingada.com/
[21:53] <akgraner> pleia2, that was the other idea :-)
[21:53] <pleia2> ah yes, I see now :)
[21:54] <axolote> there will be increased interest in ubuntu in general at that time (per usual), so a blogging blast might be good visibility for ubuntu women.
[21:54] <akgraner> So reserve this idea for March 24? and promote the heck out of Finding Ada
[21:55] <czajkowski> aye
[21:55] <czajkowski> 24/03 sounds way more atainable
[21:56] <Pendulum> we could do it as Ubuntu Women do Finding Ada, and ask people in the Ubuntu community to especially look within itself for women
[21:56] <akgraner> [Action]  - Ubuntu Women Project to promote http://findingada.com/  - and encourage community members to look at women with the Ubuntu Community as well
[21:56] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:   - Ubuntu Women Project to promote http://findingada.com/  - and encourage community members to look at women with the Ubuntu Community as well
[21:57] <akgraner> ok 4 mins
[21:57] <czajkowski> Can I just make one suggestion, when schedling meetings can we try and not clash or run close to meetings taking place in -meeting in case some folks are in there that are in here also, happened last time loco council one and I had to split between two, and tonight membership board was on so if folks go for membership they may ahve to split between 2
[21:57] <akgraner> I'll look at the schedule closer :-)
[21:58] <akgraner> the other new items I will take to the mailing list
[21:58] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Announcements
[21:58] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Announcements
[21:58]  * valorie is glad to finally make it to a meeting!
[21:58] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - SCaLE 8x - http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/
[21:58] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - SCaLE 8x - http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/
[21:59] <akgraner> thank you to all the Ubuntu Women team members who were able to make there and meet up, attend and contribute to the success of SCaLE8x, WIOS, Ubucons et al
[21:59] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - International Women's Day Competition Voting - ends march 7th, 2400UTC
[21:59] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - International Women's Day Competition Voting - ends march 7th, 2400UTC
[22:00] <akgraner> You should see the write on the Fridge about this today  - please grab it and get it out to the community when you see it
[22:00] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Reminder that Ubuntu Opportunistic Developer Week ongoing this week and ends on March 6th
[22:00] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Reminder that Ubuntu Opportunistic Developer Week ongoing this week and ends on March 6th
[22:01] <akgraner> please attend if you can and if you can't and you can blog about it please do
[22:01] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Events - http://fossevents.org/
[22:01] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Events - http://fossevents.org/
[22:02] <akgraner> also reminder that this calendar exists if an open source event you know about is not on there please send the info - czajkowski and issyl0  both help with this calendar
[22:02] <akgraner> alrighty sorry for the rush of stuff in the last 15 mins
[22:03] <issyl0> Yes, and that calendar is fossevents.org
[22:03] <czajkowski> thats what the link says :)
[22:03] <akgraner> meeting in two weeks  - to start working on goals for Lucid, and see where the mentoring program stands?
[22:03] <issyl0> czajkowski: oh, yeah.  Sorry, that's me not reading above where the HL was :P
[22:04] <issyl0> Woo, OK.
[22:04] <akgraner> it that ok with everyone
[22:04] <akgraner> I'll check the calendar to see what other events are going on and do my best to see that people aren't split between meetings
[22:04] <AlanBell> sounds good
[22:05] <axolote> yup.
[22:05] <Pendulum> akgraner: can we try a day other than Thursday if possible? since Tuesdays seem to be meeting day for everyone so may contribute to the level of people being split
[22:05] <Pendulum> err... other than Tuesday
[22:05] <akgraner> alright then if there are no overriding objections
[22:06] <czajkowski> aye tuesday does seem to be rather Ubuntu meeting tastic
[22:06] <akgraner> I'll take a look and and see if I can't come up with a poll that excludes other meetings yet gives the best neutral time zones :-)
[22:07] <akgraner> [Action] - meeting in two weeks  - to start working on goals for Lucid, and see where the mentoring program stands
[22:07] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  - meeting in two weeks  - to start working on goals for Lucid, and see where the mentoring program stands
[22:07] <akgraner> anything else?
[22:07] <akgraner> going once
[22:07] <akgraner> going twice
[22:07] <akgraner> Thanks everyone see you in two weeks!
[22:07] <akgraner> #endmeeting
[22:07] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 22:07.
[22:08] <AlanBell> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/20100302
[22:08] <AlanBell> instaminutes :-)
[22:08] <maiatoday> don't even have to add water
[22:08] <akgraner> AlanBell, thank you!
[22:08] <axolote> wow, nice. :)
[22:10] <akgraner> AlanBell, I am loving this bot!
[22:10] <pleia2> neat
[22:11] <akgraner> Logs, action items, minutes all right there
[22:12]  * MichelleQ1 just walked through the door.
[22:12] <MichelleQ1> sigh.  Will read the logs.
[22:12] <akgraner> can you all take a look at the logs right quick - I am of the mind set that very little will need to be added to them?  do we still need separate notes?
[22:12] <akgraner> Other than the measurable goals that will go to the list for discussion b/c we didn't get to those
[22:14] <Pendulum> the only thing is if we want a separate list of attendees
[22:14] <AlanBell> I would be very interested in opinions of the minutes from the bot, and things you would change about them. The aim is to have the post-meeting procedure be copy-paste-done
[22:14] <akgraner> Daviey, I am loving the mootbot-uk many thanks to you and AlanBell for hacking on it
[22:14] <AlanBell> Pendulum: look at the bottom!
[22:14] <AlanBell> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/20100302#People Present
[22:14] <Pendulum> AlanBell: ah, hadn't gotten that far yet!
[22:15] <Pendulum> sorry!
[22:15] <akgraner> Pendulum, they are just in a different area on the wiki
[22:15] <AlanBell> it summarises people present, actions recorded and vote outcomes (although that bit is a bit broken in the live bot at the moment)
[22:16] <axolote> logs look great to me, imho.
[22:19] <axolote> i have a quick question about the members list on the profiles page (http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Profiles): are those members of the launchpad team or official ubuntu members who are also members of the launchpad team, or else? :)
[22:19] <AlanBell> else
[22:19] <valorie> AlanBell: why is your name the only underlined one in the list of attendees?
[22:20] <Pendulum> axolote: they're anyone who felt like putting themselves on the list
[22:20] <AlanBell> I have a CamelCase name
[22:20] <valorie> ah, got it
[22:20] <valorie> lol
[22:20]  * valorie should go by ValOrie
[22:20] <AlanBell> that is why all the nicks are wrapped in verbatim tags
[22:20] <valorie> lol
[22:20] <AlanBell> we had a -uk meeting and all the links to me just looked silly
[22:21] <axolote> cool. thanks pendulum.
[22:21] <akgraner> because his irc nick is the same as his wiki page name - right
[22:21] <valorie> well, he doesn't have a wikipage
[22:21] <valorie> on our wiki
[22:21] <AlanBell> akgraner: it is worse for people who have a camelcase IRC name that isn't the wiki
[22:21] <AlanBell> oh, good point, like I don't here.
[22:21] <valorie> I used to go by ValorieZ
[22:22] <valorie> but I don't like the look of that
[22:22] <valorie> so angular
[22:22] <valorie> looks super in pen and ink
[22:23] <valorie> esp. in italic
[22:24] <Pendulum> valorie: I can picture that in a really nice blue pen looking stunning
[22:24] <valorie> Zs are so fun to write
[22:24] <valorie> I used to a lot of calligraphy
[22:24] <Pendulum> erm... I'm not a publishing geek at all... really...
[22:24] <valorie> lol
[22:25] <valorie> I grew up watching Zorro, and loved his swish swish swish
[22:25] <valorie> birth name was Cowan
[22:25] <valorie> so didn't get that Z until I was married
[22:27] <MichelleQ1> I've never mastered the cursive Q.
[22:27] <MichelleQ1> so of course I named a kid with a Q name.
[22:28] <Pendulum> heh
[22:29] <Pendulum> my parents chose not to name my brother something because one of them couldn't spell it, I wonder if they took ability to write it into account too
[22:30] <Pendulum> (the name they rejected was Llywelyn, or one of the spellings thereof)
[22:30] <MichelleQ1> yeah, I don't think I'd keep that one straight, either
[22:31] <Pendulum> as much as I like it as a name, I suspect picking something different also did much to keep him from being beat-up on the playground
[22:31] <Pendulum> (considering we grew up in the US)
[22:32] <MichelleQ1> I'm inclined to agree
[22:33] <valorie> a big fat pen-drawn Q is a thing of beauty
[22:33] <MichelleQ1> Indeed.  I just fail miserably at it.
[22:33] <valorie> I love all the letters, really
[22:33] <valorie> loved my callig. classes
[22:34] <MichelleQ1> it's truly an art.
[22:34] <valorie> oh gosh, the beautiful old hand-done bibles and other documents
[22:34] <valorie> I'm in awe
[22:36] <MichelleQ1> I'm trying to remember...  there was a project a while back that scanned ancient texts and put them into an accessible database.
[22:36] <MichelleQ1> you could examine the decorated texts from the comfort of one's own computer.
[22:36] <MichelleQ1> it was fabulous
[22:39] <valorie> yes, I've seen some of that
[22:39] <valorie> if I ever get to go to Scotland again, I hope to visit one of the big libraries and see some of their ancient texts
[22:40] <MichelleQ1> I'm trying desperately to remember it for you, valorie.  I'm googling it now.
[22:41] <valorie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminated_manuscript#See_also
[22:41] <valorie> has loads of projects
[22:41] <valorie> the British Library has an immense collection
[22:42] <valorie> the French are putting much of that material online as well
[22:42] <valorie> and the Irish Nat. Library and/or Archives
[22:42] <MichelleQ1> it may be the British Library that I'm thinking of.  It's been years since I had to reference it
[22:43] <valorie> in fact, mediaval docs of all sorts are starting to become available at a great rate
[22:43] <MichelleQ1> BWAHAHAHAHA!  My daughter (4) is in her room singing Journey's "Don't Stop Believing" at the top of her lungs.
[22:43]  * MichelleQ1 ends tangent.
[22:43] <valorie> legal documents, old wills, etc.
[22:43] <valorie> it's super
[22:43] <MichelleQ1> valorie: I think this was the one I used http://www.kb.nl/manuscripts/
[22:44] <valorie> MichelleQ1: one of the best hairbrush songs EVAR
[22:44] <MichelleQ1> absolutely!
[22:44] <valorie> my daughter's favorite was Bon Jovi
[22:44] <akgraner> AlanBell, so you just grabbed the text file and dropped on a wiki or did you have to do something else special?
[22:45] <AlanBell> nothing special
[22:46] <AlanBell> http://mootbot.ubuntu-uk.org/ubuntu-women-project.moin.20100302_2100.txt
[22:46] <AlanBell> that is the source and I copied and pasted into the wiki page
[22:46] <akgraner> that's what I thought :-)
[22:47] <AlanBell> any manual editing required is a bug
[22:47] <akgraner> ahh gotcha
[22:49] <akgraner> that is so much easier  :-)


[09:17] <Tm_T> coffee to you all http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/51a4c67a6bb3f7b44d000002/this-japanese-latte-art-will-leave-you-speechless-pictures.jpg
[09:24] <DJones> Are you supposed to drink that, or just put it on display?
[11:54] <Tm_T> DJones: drink on display perhaps


[00:00] <kulelu88> no kidding, sounds chilled there in the American dorpie
[00:01] <zquish012> i'm sure there better countries in the world, but this one has treated us well
[00:02] <zquish012> and i don't think with my experience and education, i could earn as much in other countries and have the same standard of living
[00:02] <kulelu88> but you should do like every other abroad s.african, buy a holiday home in CPT
[00:03] <zquish012> got that. on a river up the east coast. but R/$ sucks for when i sell it
[00:03] <zquish012> and fighting with the corrupt municipality about taxes etc... not worth it
[00:04] <zquish012> it really is surprising how they can get away with some of it. never would fly in the US
[00:05] <kulelu88> yeah if you bought when it was below R10, you may never make back the money lost on forex
[00:07] <zquish012> yes and the risk of renters/squaters
[00:07] <zquish012> and the crime, insurance is high
[00:08] <zquish012> probably my worst investment
[00:13] <zquish012> superfly: before i forget, the most difficult thing is that you come over with zero credit history, so lots of the "deals" you don't qualify for because you credit rating is so low
[00:13] <zquish012> be prepaired for that
[00:13] <zquish012> (well you cannot, it hits you hard)
[07:35] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:36] <night> morning!
[07:36] <superfly> Morning
[07:38] <inetpro> hmm... night saying morning? :-)
[07:41] <inetpro> Kilos: hi to you as well
[07:57] <Kilos> ohi superfly inetpro night and other za peeps
[07:59] <Kilos> this place forgot its supposed to be summer starting
[08:00] <Kilos> Maaz forecast melbourne victoria
[08:00] <Maaz> Kilos: Tuesday: Chance of Rain. High: 14° C., Tuesday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 8° C., Wednesday: Chance of Rain. High: 13° C., Wednesday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 5° C., Thursday: Clear. High: 15° C., Thursday Night: Clear. Low: 3° C., Friday: Clear. High: 21° C., Friday Night: Clear. Low: 11° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 23° C., Saturday Night:
[08:00] <Maaz> Chance of Rain. Low: 13° C., Sunday: Chance of Rain. High: 16° C., Sunday Night: Partly…
[08:07] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[08:57] <dlPhreak> Morning
[08:58] <Kilos> hi dlPhreak
[09:45] <dlPhreak> Kilos!
[09:45] <dlPhreak> Hi
[10:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[15:40] <Xethron> How's Kilo's lately?
[19:16] <magespawn> good evening
[20:44] <Cryterion> maaz
[20:47] <Cryterion> Maaz: please tell ThatGraemeGuy Hi, updated minetest (Reconpiled to latest) but needs a chmod then switchover. It's located in the bin directory as minetestserver.new , when you get the chance, I don't have the privs to do it :(, lol.
[20:47] <Maaz> Cryterion: Got it, I'll tell ThatGraemeGuy on freenode
[21:18] <kulelu88> how many of you okes are playing on that minetest server?


[15:00] <rbalint> o/
[15:02] <cyphermox> o/
[15:02] <waveform> \o
[15:02] <cyphermox> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 20 15:02:11 2019 UTC.  The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:02] <cyphermox> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:02] <cyphermox> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson juliank waveform)
[15:02]  * vorlon waves
[15:02] <cyphermox> vorlon doko sil2100 mwhudson bdmurray infinity xnox cyphermox tdaitx juliank rbalint waveform
[15:02] <vorlon> oh noes
[15:03] <rbalint> vorlon noes
[15:03] <cyphermox> doko nopes?
[15:03] <vorlon> cyphermox: come back to me
[15:03] <cyphermox> yup
[15:03] <cyphermox> doko:
[15:04] <juliank> o/
[15:04] <cyphermox> guess he might have noped
[15:04] <bdmurray> sil2100 is on a holiday
[15:04] <cyphermox> who'se there?
[15:04] <bdmurray> I'm here
[15:04] <cyphermox> bdmurray: your turn then
[15:04] <bdmurray> oh yess!
[15:04] <vorlon> cyphermox: I can go whenever
[15:05] <bdmurray> worked with webops to resolve issues w/ cassandra and units connecting
[15:05] <bdmurray> reviewed sil2100's MP regarding additional sru removal suggestions
[15:05] <bdmurray> reviewed, merged, uploaded deb2snap DistUpgradeQuirk improvement (LP: #1831933)
[15:05] <bdmurray> reviewed, merged, uploaded release version translation fix (LP: #1727472)
[15:05] <bdmurray> discussed with mvo c-n-f-extractor mlocate / locate change
[15:05] <bdmurray> tested dropping of u-r-u's obsolete kernel removal code (LP: #1828100)
[15:05] <bdmurray> investigation into having u-r-u understand architectures in meta-release
[15:05] <bdmurray> uploaded eoan fixes for LP: #1829968, LP: #1824005
[15:05] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:05] <bdmurray> vorlon: how about now?
[15:05] <vorlon>  * announced the dropping of i386; fielding feedback
[15:05] <vorlon>  * meeting to confirm plans around OVS support in netplan
[15:05] <vorlon>  * discussions around difficult fwupd SRU to bionic
[15:05] <vorlon>  * netplan schema introspection: spec review/agreement
[15:05] <vorlon>  * planning for UC20 sprint next week
[15:05] <vorlon>  * upcoming:
[15:05] <vorlon>   * off tomorrow
[15:06] <vorlon>   * in London next week
[15:06] <vorlon> (done)
[15:06] <cyphermox> xnox:
[15:06] <xnox> * secureboot signed s390-tools migrated
[15:06] <xnox> * fix s390-tools ftbfs (submitted upstream too)
[15:06] <xnox> * working on staruprd for uc20
[15:06] <xnox> * working on core20 snap being able to build in lp/eoan
[15:06] <xnox> * working on multipath -part* vs s390x and encrypted systems
[15:06] <xnox> * more subiquity/casper fun for s390x
[15:06] <xnox> * UC20 sprint next week
[15:06] <xnox> (done)
[15:06] <cyphermox> cyphermox:
[15:07] <cyphermox> MIR review: finishing probert review
[15:07] <cyphermox> investigating edk2/ovmf black screen with secboot.fd firmware
[15:07] <xnox> StartUpRD
[15:07] <cyphermox> netplan specs
[15:07] <cyphermox> finishing grub2 merge
[15:07] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:07] <cyphermox> tdaitx:
[15:08] <cyphermox> rbalint:
[15:08] <rbalint> (short week)
[15:08] <rbalint> * updated kerneloops with new upstream snapshot and few fixes in Debian
[15:08] <rbalint> * filed and provided patch for https://bugs.debian.org/930654
[15:08] <rbalint> * partner work
[15:08] <rbalint> * meetings and discussions
[15:08] <rbalint> (done)
[15:08] <cyphermox> waveform:
[15:09] <waveform> * off on Monday
[15:09] <waveform> * working on PR for pi3-gadget to use flash-kernel's new RPi bootscript; may require SRU of flash-kernel (it's currently using bionic as a package source)
[15:09] <waveform> * dissected core's u-boot environment (several versions) to determine what is specific to it, and whether it's feasible to have a single bootscript for core+classic (it is, but we need some extra bits to support their kernel params and splash screen)
[15:09] <waveform> * checked Core on CM3+; it doesn't work - firmware out of date, commit in the works
[15:09] <waveform> * replicated bluetooth issues on 3B+, haven't found time to dig into why yet
[15:09] <waveform> * responded to comments on pi image building instructions
[15:09] <waveform> (done)
[15:10] <cyphermox> thanks!
[15:10] <cyphermox> #topic Release incoming bugs (eoan)
[15:10] <cyphermox> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:11] <bdmurray> So I see a bunch of ftbfs bugs in there but I thought we'd said they go straight to cards
[15:12] <bdmurray> vorlon: ^^
[15:12] <vorlon> ack, I'll card 'em now
[15:12] <bdmurray> Well it'd be nice if that step got done with the bug filing
[15:12] <bdmurray> bug 1832651
[15:13] <rbalint> bdmurray, i think we just card the ftbfs and pick them, but not at the meeting
[15:14] <bdmurray> rbalint: my point was when the ftbfs bug is filed a card should also be created
[15:14] <bdmurray> xnox: that's a systemd bug and I think there's an upstream fix
[15:15] <xnox> ok
[15:16] <xnox> bdmurray:  target
[15:17] <bdmurray> so all the undecided ones are ftbfs
[15:17] <cyphermox> grub2 is irrelevant, it's not going to be ftbfs when I'm done with it.
[15:17] <vorlon> indeed
[15:18] <cyphermox> actually, it is right now for me (I had exactly those issues), but that's what I'm fixing atm
[15:18] <cyphermox> (claiming)
[15:19] <vorlon> I'll fix up the rest
[15:19] <bdmurray> cyphermox: I forget what did we say about bug 1706859?
[15:20] <cyphermox> I think I said I was going to test it, figure out if it's indeed what I think, picking language in ubiquity screens vs. in gfxboot
[15:20] <cyphermox> (so, preseeding)
[15:20] <bdmurray> that sounds familiar
[15:20] <bdmurray> so we leave that pending testing
[15:21] <bdmurray> bug 1783597 has a question about revising minimum installation space for preinstalled snaps
[15:21] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:21] <cyphermox> that one was because there's an open question whether we should also revisit minimum space hints in installers
[15:21] <bdmurray> vorlon: Do you think we should just bump the space needed or maybe check to see if we should?
[15:21] <bdmurray> e.g. do a minimum install and see what happens
[15:22] <vorlon> probably the latter
[15:22] <bdmurray> okay, I'll test that
[15:23] <bdmurray> I think that's good for rls-ee bugs
[15:23] <cyphermox> #topic Release incoming bugs (bionic)
[15:23] <cyphermox> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:23] <cyphermox> one bug in that list
[15:23] <rbalint> how can we tell the needed space for snaps in advance when there are debs pulling in snaps in postinst?
[15:24] <vorlon> that's not how our images should be configured; snaps should be getting directly seeded
[15:25] <juliank> should we add an extra fields to debs?
[15:25] <rbalint> juliank, that could work
[15:26] <rbalint> like extra space needed for the package
[15:26] <juliank> XB-Extra-Install-Size: <kb>
[15:26] <rbalint> this could also be useful for other dynamic data
[15:26] <juliank> It might also be a useful estimate for packages that might create huge files
[15:26] <juliank> or flash installer or stuff
[15:26] <rbalint> :-D
[15:27] <rbalint> juliank, seems we agree :-)
[15:28] <juliank> ack
[15:28]  * juliank speaks with his crazy APT maintainer hat
[15:34] <cyphermox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1509717
[15:34] <bdmurray> So old
[15:34] <cyphermox> ^ bb incoming bug
[15:36] <gaughen> I see it's assigned to apw
[15:37] <gaughen> is this something foundations should look to address?  do we agree that now we have comment #7 should we do it?
[15:37] <cyphermox> so; tracking or not?
[15:37] <gaughen> so xnox it's an sru of lvm2?
[15:37] <cyphermox> xnox: are you volunteering for it?
[15:38] <xnox> cyphermox:  no, enotime
[15:38] <xnox> i can do it in august
[15:38] <cyphermox> ack
[15:38] <vorlon> but it's a small change
[15:38] <vorlon> it's just a little wafer
[15:38] <bdmurray> so let's track and card that then
[15:38] <vorlon> ok I'll do
[15:39] <bdmurray> and unassign Andy
[15:39] <cyphermox> ok; moving on then
[15:39] <cyphermox> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:39] <xnox> vorlon:  btw, should i sru openssl postinst fix for people who purged debconf database?
[15:39] <cyphermox> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:40] <xnox> vorlon:  or just push openssl to security, and let everyone explode?!
[15:40] <vorlon> xnox: you mean fix the .templates?
[15:40] <vorlon> there is no postinst change required
[15:40] <gaughen> xnox, vorlon let's chat more about this one when we get to AOB
[15:40] <vorlon> and yes it should be fixed
[15:40] <gaughen> apt is blocked on apt
[15:41] <gaughen> juliank is on it
[15:41] <juliank> upstream apt maintainer me will be doing a new release soon
[15:42] <juliank> also python-apt update is needed, see https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/apt.html
[15:42] <juliank> also could someone remove debian-xcontrol, aptsh, and goplay from eoan? thanks!
[15:43] <juliank> (I filed bugs they are listed in #u-release somewhere)
[15:44] <cyphermox> ok; that's it then?
[15:44] <cyphermox> #topic Chair selection for next meeting
[15:44] <cyphermox> who's the victim?
[15:44] <bdmurray> Is AOB after chair?
[15:44] <cyphermox> yes
[15:45] <rbalint> cyphermox, shuf? :-)
[15:45] <cyphermox> I nominate sil2100 because he's not here to defend himself?
[15:45] <cyphermox> (that's what I did, shuf)
[15:45] <juliank> +1
[15:45] <bdmurray> +1
[15:45] <xnox> seconded
[15:45] <rbalint> +seconded
[15:45] <cyphermox> shuf is going to be fair but not fun though; if you happen to be unlucky
[15:46] <cyphermox> ok, sil2100 is next chair, or we'll figure out something
[15:46] <cyphermox> #topic AOB
[15:46] <juliank> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
[15:46] <cyphermox> that's a good song!
[15:47] <bdmurray> cyphermox: You are out on Monday right?
[15:48] <cyphermox> yes, I'm out for the next two Mondays
[15:48] <juliank> JFTR: I'm not here - I'm out today and tomorrow
[15:48] <juliank> All I did today was wash my bicycle
[15:48] <cyphermox> bdmurray: but, hey, Mondays are the worst
[15:48] <cyphermox> and now I want lasagna
[15:49] <cyphermox> any other other business?
[15:49] <juliank> end of aob
[15:49] <vorlon> nothing else here
[15:50] <cyphermox> winnitude!
[15:50] <cyphermox> #endmeeting
[15:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun 20 15:50:02 2019 UTC.
[15:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-06-20-15.02.moin.txt
[15:50] <rbalint> o/
[15:50] <cyphermox> thanks everyone!
[15:51] <vorlon> thanks!
[16:01] <gaughen> thank you cyphermox!


[01:31] <Ahmuck> nubae: well, the script worked to install, but it appears the clients have no internet access
[01:39] <Ahmuck> nubae: because the desktop was so different and logged into the server  was exactly the same as before, how does software installation work ?
[01:42] <Ahmuck> nubae: is the software like two different sets of clients?
[01:42] <Ahmuck> the fat clients have something different than the thin?
[01:42]  * Ahmuck is going to try a thin client
[01:42] <Ahmuck> 2c
[01:50] <Ahmuck> nubae: just finished reading the script.  i understand what it's doing and most of the syntax
[01:51] <Ahmuck> i should have read it ealier
[02:17]  * Ahmuck nudges channel
[02:18] <Ahmuck> anybody want to look at nubae script and help me figure out what killed the inet connection after running it?
[03:47] <stgraber> Ahmuck: if you are running with a standard ltsp network as it's installed by ubuntu when you have two networks cards, the default is not to let the thin clients access internet
[04:35] <nubae> stgraber: wwhat must I do to make fatclinet part of ubuntu?
[04:44] <stgraber> I would need to check what you're exactly doing with your scripts, but I'd say that having that cleanly integrated as ltsp-build-client scripts and using the same infrastructure as ltsp would be a good start
[04:44] <stgraber> I never really had the time to look at your scripts so I can only comment on what I overheard on IRC
[04:45] <nubae> well please take a look, I belive its a close adaptation of what's already there
[04:46] <stgraber> ok, looking at your website, the build-client integration looks good, the only issue I see is nfs
[04:47] <nubae> please tell me what I can do to make it fit in... other than nfs, how can I share the home dir?
[04:49] <stgraber> well, one way I thought about (but it's not one of my projects atm) is to actually make fat clients use ldm
[04:49] <stgraber> so ldm would do the ssh authentication, then as first rc.d script would start the local session
[04:49] <stgraber> so you get /home mounted using sshfs, you also get the user and its groups created, ...
[04:50] <stgraber> it should be quite easy to do that as the session open part is now a ldm rc.d script as of jaunty
[04:51] <stgraber> so all you need is to make this one run the session locally instead of using ssh
[04:51] <nubae> I dont know how to do that, but if u explain I can try
[04:51] <stgraber> just look at the X* ldm rc.d scripts in jaunty (I have an intrepid backport in my ppa)
[04:52] <stgraber> it's basically doing: ssh user@server /etc/X11/Xsession
[04:52] <stgraber> so you could just drop the ssh part and open the X session locally
[04:53] <nubae> u say this becauśe nfs is insecure?
[04:54] <stgraber> well, yeah, that's a thing, you really don't want everyone on your network to be able to read everyone's files
[04:54] <stgraber> the other is that I don't want to have to install both nfs and nbd by default
[04:54] <stgraber> and don't want to have to test/support it
[04:55] <nubae> ok makes sense
[05:01] <stgraber> anyway, it's midnight here. If you need help understanding what was changed in upstream ltsp recently (a lot of things got changed mainly in ldm) just poke me later.
[05:01] <nubae> k, cool thanks
[11:02] <cobra-the-joker> any body her
[11:03] <cobra-the-joker> here *
[14:21] <LetsGo67> How do I play iTunes FairPlay media in Ubuntu?
[14:23] <nubae> what format is it in?
[14:23] <LetsGo67> m4v?
[14:23] <nubae> try vlc
[14:24] <LetsGo67> VLC Linux?
[14:24] <nubae> yep
[14:24] <LetsGo67> Can play protected?
[14:25] <nubae> not sure, try it
[14:27] <LetsGo67> Can't play protected music
[14:36] <LetsGo67> Thanks anyways
[16:07] <cib0> hi


[00:43] <ubuntu> hi
[04:36] <Unit193> I'm having issues with the Scroll Lock light not coming on when I hit the Scroll Lock key (Scroll Lock is turned on though) any ideas?
[05:15] <DarthRevan> hi
[05:33] <DarthRevan> (o.O')
[05:33]  * DarthRevan is sweating buckets.
[05:34] <DarthRevan> anyone here?
[05:35] <gr8m8> you need to just tell what your issue is in here and be patient DarthRevan but yes
[10:08] <DarthRevan> does mailutils & postfix and the like have a gui module yet?
[10:12] <DarthRevan> I dont think I have voice
[10:14] <bazhang> apt-cache search postfix
[10:18] <DarthRevan> ???
[10:19] <bazhang> or /msg alis list *postfix*
[10:19] <bazhang> not sure how those questions relate to ubuntu/xubuntu/et al
[10:20] <DarthRevan> bazhang you are kind of right about that. haha I take for granted I mostly use xubuntu
[10:23] <DarthRevan> whats the best ids?
[10:23] <bazhang> ide?
[10:23] <DarthRevan> sorry intrusion detection system. my bad.
[10:25] <DarthRevan> It is probably a rediculous question.
[10:26] <bazhang> check apt-cache search package  or packages.ubuntu.com  ; no idea at all, really
[10:27] <DarthRevan> okay thats cool.  At least it is a start.  Firestarter seems to work good so far.
[10:27] <bazhang> there's ufw and gufw as well
[10:27] <bazhang> !info gufw
[10:29] <DarthRevan> Ill have to try gufw
[10:32] <DarthRevan> okay one more question
[10:33] <DarthRevan> I installed xubuntu on a 16gb usb stick and need it to have support for multiprocessor machines... does it already have that? Or do I need to install something to support that?  One of the netbooks I use it on only has one core.
[10:34] <Sysi> has support for multiple processors, cores and hyperthreading
[10:35] <DarthRevan> sysi thank you cool.
[10:36] <Sysi> did you make "installation" with usb-creator or actual installation?
[10:37] <DarthRevan> I unpluged my sata drive and did the live install
[10:37] <DarthRevan> from cd
[10:40] <DarthRevan> Some years ago I tried it with the Windows harddrive plugged in and it installed grub.  So ever since then when I do a linux installation I always unplug the windows drive.
[10:40] <DarthRevan> I think back then I lost ntldr and something else and had to do a recovery haha
[10:42] <Sysi> you can choose where to install grub but it shouldn't show usb devices if hdd is plugged in
[10:44] <DarthRevan> that sounds right
[10:45] <DarthRevan> I think back then circa 8.04 I think I had to manually mount sda
[10:48] <DarthRevan> fstab stuff
[10:50] <DarthRevan> oh wait i see what you are saying.  Install to the master boot record.  I think it installed to all the drives hdd and sda
[11:46] <xubuntu915> ciao
[12:43] <corey> hey?
[12:48] <HelpPlease> i cant boot xubuntu without adding acpi=off to the grub bootloader, and i need to know my battery life when i use my laptop, any help?
[12:55] <HelpPlease> heh, brb i guess, gonna try updating everything although i doubt it will work
[13:01] <corey_> still not working D:
[14:33] <mezin> hello?
[14:34] <charlie-tca> !hi | mezin
[14:35] <mezin> i have low sound
[14:35] <mezin> i tried adding a line to alsa-base.conf
[14:35] <mezin> and stuff
[14:35] <mezin> but wont help
[14:36] <mezin> its not that i cant hear, but its bad quality
[14:36] <mezin> and kind of low
[14:36] <charlie-tca> open the mixer in the panel, add pcm and turn its volume up all the way
[14:36] <mezin> i did
[14:36] <mezin> thats the first thing i did, play around with the mixer
[14:38] <mezin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[14:38] <mezin> "Read all of them and try to find the one which is more similar to your sound card, for example if you have a laptop, you can choose "acer". "
[14:38] <mezin> how similair must it be?
[14:40] <mezin> i got a ALC883 and added alc883-6stack-dig
[14:40] <charlie-tca> did you find anything that said acer?
[14:40] <charlie-tca> if not, it is not similar enough to call it an Acer
[14:41] <mezin> well i have an asus p5k pro
[14:41] <mezin> there are none there
[14:43] <charlie-tca> According to that example, all those listed were found to have the ALC260
[14:43] <charlie-tca> It is not a single brand computer that uses it.
[14:44] <charlie-tca> So, something mentions hp, it might be information about the ALC260, since the wiki is written by users, they might not have titled the doc page ALC260
[14:45] <charlie-tca> You need any pages refering to the ALC883 instead
[14:45] <mezin> hmmm, how to check what version of alsa i have?
[14:46] <charlie-tca> open a terminal and type
[14:46] <charlie-tca> apt-cache policy alsa-utils
[14:46] <charlie-tca> the numbers after installed are the version
[14:46] <mezin> 1.0.23-2ubuntu3.4
[14:46] <mezin> is that the latest?
[14:47] <charlie-tca> !info alsa-utils
[14:47] <charlie-tca> yes
[14:48] <mezin> hmmm
[14:50] <Sysi> you could install pavucontrol and see pulseaudio settings in addition to alsa
[14:50] <mezin> ;o
[14:50] <charlie-tca> sound is hard to debug properly. You can file a bug about the low sound issue using    ubuntu-bug alsa-base    in a terminal
[14:51] <Sysi> for quality issues usually helps just setting master under 100%
[14:51] <mezin> pulseaudio volume control?
[14:51] <Sysi> i guess it's that in menu
[14:55] <mezin> i played around with pulse audio VC
[14:55] <mezin> helped
[14:56] <mezin> ty
[14:57] <Sysi> i still think we should include pavucontrol to default setup if we're not gonna remove pulseaudio (if we can get enough space)
[16:57] <alex_> hello... is there a way to restore xubuntu panel as default? i deleted the top panel by mistake... ( ps: i deleted the contents of .xonfig and .cache and it restored the top panel but w/o the applications that it had on it )
[16:57] <alex_>  .config*
[16:58] <charlie-tca> If you deleted .config, the panel will default to the original panel, any changes were lost
[16:59] <Sysi> exept that you need to do that when not logged to xfce
[16:59] <alex_> i was interested in the shorcuts that it had... clock..etc.. so i`ll have to add them manualy?
[17:00] <charlie-tca> those should be defaults, they should be in the panel automatically. Maybe try logout/login, to reset things
[17:01] <charlie-tca> actually, you do not need to be logged out of xfce. see !panels
[17:01] <charlie-tca> !panel
[17:01] <alex_> as Sysi  said... i don`t have to log in xfce? maybe that`s the problem... brb.. let me try that again
[17:01] <charlie-tca> That explains fully how to restore panels, while logged in to the desktop
[17:01] <alex_> well.. as i said.. i restored them but w/o the application shorcuts and items..
[17:02] <charlie-tca> did you copy the default configuration like it said to?
[17:03] <Sysi> charlie-tca: doesn't xfce rewrite configs in logout?
[17:03] <alex_> copy the default from where to where? sorry.. but i don`t think have have more than one week on linux :>
[17:03] <charlie-tca> It saves them if you tell it to. It can write them anytime
[17:03] <charlie-tca> Go to the page referenced above, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels
[17:04] <charlie-tca> It explains it in detail
[17:05] <alex_> relog
[17:05] <alex_> brb
[17:08] <lasse> where can I find guide to enable tv-out?
[17:09] <alex_> well.. thx for the help.. but as far as i see it only restores the pannels w/o the stuff it had on it so i`ll have to do it manualy..
[17:45] <Jdogg420> is there anyway to get sound themes to work on xubuntu?
[17:51] <lasse> how to enable s-video?
[17:52] <PaulW2U1> Jdogg420, there are dozens of threads on Google. But none have helped me! I also had no sound in Xubuntu
[17:53] <Jdogg420> ok
[17:54] <Jdogg420> what about a way to show previews of the programs running on my panel like kde does when i run the mouse over the prog
[18:02] <lasse> I know how to config it with ubuntu, but I dont know where to find egual file to xorg.conf to make the changes in xubuntu..
[18:05] <charlie-tca> lasse: same place
[18:06] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu uses exactly the same xorg.conf as Ubuntu
[18:06] <charlie-tca> Jdogg420: as far as I know, that does not exist
[18:06] <Jdogg420> ok thanx
[18:07] <lasse> okey
[18:24] <Jdogg420>  so i see there is a xubuntu 11.04 out is that wat i have since mine is all up to date?
[18:25] <Sysi> 11.04 is alpha, it is not out
[18:25] <Jdogg420> ok
[21:43] <intok> Old Dells worry me, anyone got Xubuntu on an Optiplex GX240? 1.4Ghz P4, 1Gb SD133, ATI Rage 128
[22:37] <Sysi> intok: should be well enough for xubuntu, propable older hardware is well-compliant too


[16:00] <robbiew> o/
[16:00] <psurbhi> hello \o/
[16:00]  * barry waves
[16:01] <Keybuk>           \o/
[16:02] <cjwatson>          \o/
[16:02] <doko> hi
[16:04] <cjwatson> doko: are you chairing?
[16:05] <doko> #startmeeting
[16:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:05. The chair is doko.
[16:05] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:05] <doko> ev ?
[16:06] <doko> shuffled: doko, cjwatson, Keybuk, ev, barry, surbhi, mvo
[16:07] <doko> (no cheating)
[16:07] <doko> # Linaro infrastructure sprint (well, the infrastructure guys did complain it was too much toolchain work).
[16:07] <doko> # Merge of CS gcc-4.4 branch for Linaro.
[16:07] <doko> # Review Debian/Ubuntu GCC patches for integration in Linaro.
[16:07] <doko> # Look at using the CS gcc-4.4 branch on i386 and amd64 for maverick.
[16:07] <doko> --
[16:08] <doko> cjwatson: ?
[16:09] <robbiew> mvo is on holiday
[16:09] <cjwatson> done: nearly finished with foundations-m-btrfs-support; made some progress with foundations-m-uefi-support, and just in time because I just took delivery of hardware from OEM to help test it; some big merges (grub2, initramfs-tools)
[16:09] <cjwatson> todo: planning to nail everything that can be nailed of foundations-m-uefi-support over the next week, and then get back to seeing how to get GRUB onto the CDs
[16:09] <barry> robbiew: mvo is unavailable <wink>
[16:10] <cjwatson> --
[16:11] <cjwatson> Keybuk: ?
[16:11] <Keybuk> Still not getting much done :-(
[16:11] <Keybuk> Have managed a few package updates, and testing kernel update for them though.
[16:11] <Keybuk> ~
[16:11] <barry> foundations-m-python-versions: building out py27stack ppa; python-defaults refactoring and adding 2.7 as supported (but not yet default); rebuilt several packages; now fixing python2.7-minimal bugs.  foundations-m-python-continuous-integration: unittest2 testing, bug reporting, etc; stdeb testing, bug reporting, etc; python-mkdebian testing (not gonna work). done.
[16:12] <psurbhi> finished the following:
[16:12] <psurbhi> 1) Spent some time in learning about  fstest and its usage. Spent some time debugging the device geometry that  grub uses and using the same for mkfs.btrfs for a loopback device.
[16:12] <psurbhi> 2)  Following works through grub-fstest: ls, ls -lh, crc of a file. This  works for a btrfs filesystem created in a image provided the mkfs is  done  on the proper offset in accordance with fdisk -ul and then  subsequently, -o offset is used for mount
[16:12] <psurbhi> 3) Need to test this  thoroughly. desperately needs caching.
[16:12] <psurbhi> 4) Need to test cp and hex  (and other fs-test commands) and add caching support
[16:12] <psurbhi> ..

[16:13] <doko> ok, mvo in vacation
[16:13] <doko> I don't see outstanding items from last meeting
[16:14] <doko> skipping feature freeze exceptions
[16:14]  * ev feels left out - has my IRC bouncer been connected to this channel and I've just missed a bunch of messages?
[16:14] <Keybuk> ev: clearly you're using the wrong bouncer
[16:15] <ev> I'm using the same one as you!
[16:15] <cjwatson> ev: looks like doko prodded you before you /joined
[16:15] <cjwatson> 16:05 <doko> ev ?
[16:15] <cjwatson> ...
[16:15] <cjwatson> 16:08 -!- ev [~ev@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
[16:15] <doko> ev: go ahead with the lighning, didn't see you join
[16:15] <ev> ah
[16:15] <ev> working on running two debconfcommunicators in parallel, started hacking together a server based on geonames (type some random town and get a timezone back), reviewed the design specification and added more notes for michael, chatted with michael over some of them, began implementation of some of the functionality and started a conversation with legal about the installing ubuntu-restricted-extras bit.
[16:15] <ev> --
[16:16] <doko> are there any other specs which need to be finalized/approved until tomorrow?
[16:16] <barry> doko: i have not heard anything definitive back from ubuntu-releases, re: py27
[16:17] <cjwatson> ubuntu-release is pretty undermanned at the moment
[16:17] <robbiew> is this the discussion about making 2.7 default for 10.10?
[16:17] <barry> cjwatson: ah
[16:17] <barry> robbiew: yes
[16:17] <ev> seems like there are quite a few in https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu?searchtext=foundations-m-
[16:17] <doko> yes, motu/ScottK doesn't like the idea
[16:18] <barry> i know.  he favors supported but not default
[16:18] <cjwatson> Keybuk: no upstart specs yet, I guess?
[16:18] <barry> which is not as mavericky as i'd like, but his reasoning is sound and i could support that approach
[16:18] <cjwatson> I do have the code to get them into the WI tracker (more or less), just need test cases for it :-)
[16:20] <doko> barry: I'll try to ping him, maybe we can find the time to chat together late tonight
[16:20] <cjwatson> of the foundations-m- ones, the ones that jump out as possible maverick candidates are foundations-m-usb-creator-bugfixer and foundations-m-software-center-backend?
[16:21] <Keybuk> cjwatson: it's one of the things I appear to be unable to do, yes
[16:21] <cjwatson> I don't know either of those well so maybe they're inappropriate
[16:21] <barry> doko: +1
[16:21]  * cjwatson fedexes Keybuk some davidm-strength coffee
[16:22] <Keybuk> coffee wouldn't help, some prozac maybe? :p
[16:22] <ev> whoops, missed that - usb-creator-bugfixer is now proposed for maverick
[16:22] <cjwatson> ugh
[16:22] <cjwatson> ev: and accepted
[16:22] <ev> cjwatson: cheers
[16:23] <cjwatson> Keybuk: let me know if you need assistance of the potted-plant variety
[16:23] <Keybuk> potted plant?
[16:23] <cjwatson> something inanimate to talk at
[16:23] <robbiew> Keybuk: speaking of FedEx...what's up with those Dell Minis :)
[16:23] <Keybuk> ahh
[16:23] <doko> ok, any other spec business?
[16:23] <Keybuk> robbiew: yet another thing I haven't done, sorry
[16:26] <robbiew> moving on?
[16:27] <doko> alpha2 bugs: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone:list=27560
[16:27] <cjwatson> I only saw two for us there, the silly version bugs
[16:27] <cjwatson> Dylan's aware of the slideshow one, it'll be done as part of a more general update I think
[16:28] <cjwatson> Keybuk: is it OK to just do the obvious 10.04 -> 10.10 change in plymouth, or do you want to do something more complete than that?
[16:28] <cjwatson> like lsb_release at build time or something
[16:28] <Keybuk> cjwatson: go ahead, I don't have any plymouth-related plans this cycle
[16:28] <doko> and maybe one MIR. looking at this one
[16:28] <cjwatson> Keybuk: ok
[16:29] <doko> cjwatson: I might pester you with an archive rebuild (main) withe the CS GCC next week (and maybe a request trying to build a CD image)
[16:29] <cjwatson> np
[16:31] <robbiew> awlright then....
[16:31] <doko> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[16:32] <cjwatson> I did a rather measly one today
[16:32] <dholbach> thanks doko :)
[16:33] <doko> honestly, I don't know how to interpret the table now in the meeting. just looking at the "last commenters" isn't enough
[16:34] <cjwatson> "last commenters" is a weird column because what I find I need to do with it is to *skip* the rows with names I recognise
[16:34] <barry> if we do not have upload privs, is there anything we can still do with sponsoring?
[16:35] <cjwatson> not a lot, realistically
[16:35] <barry> cjwatson: what do the bold and italics mean in last comment column?
[16:35] <cjwatson> there's a key at the bottoom
[16:35] <cjwatson> *bottom
[16:36]  * barry scrolls
[16:36] <barry> ah, thanks
[16:36] <cjwatson> anyway, not much more to discuss here, I think we should move on?
[16:37] <robbiew> yes
[16:38] <doko> don't see any business from activity reports
[16:38] <doko> good news / bad news ?
[16:39]  * robbiew was able to get approval for another headcount :)
[16:39] <barry> yay!
[16:39] <ev> hooray
[16:40] <doko> so how many are now pending?
[16:40] <ev> is it the secretary I've been clamoring for since I joined?
[16:40] <robbiew> heh
[16:40] <robbiew> doko: what do you mean by pending?
[16:41] <robbiew> we have one opening now
[16:41] <Keybuk> ev: you don't need a secretary if you work from the office, you can have the design team do things for you
[16:42] <ev> haha, somehow I doubt they'll fetch me coffee from Starbucks
[16:42] <doko> robbiew: how many heads do we expect? one or more?
[16:42] <doko> anyway, AOB?
[16:42] <Keybuk> ev: I don't even know where there is a Starbucks anywhere near Millbank
[16:42] <robbiew> doko: ah..expect one
[16:42] <ev> Keybuk: vauxhall
[16:43]  * robbiew played with burg this week...pretty cool
[16:43] <cjwatson> damnit, shiny new test hardware requires US->UK converter and I don't have one
[16:43] <Keybuk> robbiew: burg?
[16:43] <Keybuk> cjwatson: converter or plug?
[16:43]  * barry just saw a very close and very loud lightning strike
[16:43] <robbiew> BURG stands for Brand-new Universal loadeR from GRUB.
[16:43] <cjwatson> well, either, but the end for my own laptop doesn't fit the brick
[16:43] <robbiew> Keybuk: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Burg
[16:43] <robbiew> has some REALLY nice graphics support
[16:44] <cjwatson> thankfully, mostly obsoleted by grub2 ;-)
[16:44] <cjwatson> just need to put the themes together
[16:44] <robbiew> yeah
[16:44] <robbiew> if we could get the themes down...it would rock
[16:44] <robbiew> http://code.google.com/p/burg/wiki/Screenshots
[16:44] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://code.google.com/p/burg/wiki/Screenshots
[16:44] <cjwatson> yup, will likely be working on at least some of that as part of foundations-m-cd-boot
[16:45] <robbiew> the burg themes are slick
[16:45] <robbiew> cjwatson: cool
[16:45] <ev> wow, lets go with that first one and switch the desktop environment to twm
[16:45] <cjwatson> there are a few basic widgets we don't have yet, some debate as to the best way to represent them so that things still work well with things like serial consoles
[16:46] <robbiew> yeah...i figured there were corner cases not considered with it
[16:46] <barry> ev: twm ftw!  (who remembers wool?)
[16:46] <robbiew> the overall effect is very clean...with the subtle animations as you scroll though the OSes
[16:47] <robbiew> anyway...that's all I had
[16:47] <ev> barry: wool?
[16:47] <robbiew> oh...and we are close to naming a release manager
[16:47] <ev> yay
[16:47] <robbiew> down to 2 candidates
[16:47] <robbiew> "yay" indeed
[16:47] <cjwatson> robbiew: wanna help design grub2 themes for the package?  there's only one person doing grub2 theming work at the moment (directhex)
[16:47] <Keybuk> robbiew: did they not have a name before they applied?
[16:48] <barry> ev: well, actually gwm.  wool was the lisp dialect that the wm ran
[16:48] <ev> cjwatson: otto?
[16:48] <robbiew> cjwatson: hmm...I'll take a look at it, sure
[16:48] <robbiew> Keybuk: /very/ funny
[16:48] <doko> ok, are we funished?
[16:48] <robbiew> ev: yeah..that makes more sense
[16:48] <cjwatson> ev: directhex => jo shields
[16:48] <cjwatson> ev: or are you saying otto has been doing some?
[16:49] <cjwatson> if so he hasn't told anyone :-)
[16:49] <ev> robbiew: well that's not to say he has time to do it
[16:49] <robbiew> sure
[16:49] <ev> cjwatson: no, not at all
[16:49] <ev> I just figured it was his realm more than anyone else's
[16:49] <robbiew> but probably not worth waisting time on designing themes we know won't get used
[16:49] <robbiew> heh
[16:49] <cjwatson> ah, right.  I don't think it needs to bump out other design team things at the moment
[16:49] <ev> but I am fully aware that getting some of his time is not the easiest task on the planet
[16:49] <robbiew> anyway...I'll take a stab at it
[16:49] <robbiew> I got a lot more time on my hands these days
[16:49] <robbiew> ;)
[16:50]  * cjwatson ponders an lplib script to reassign all his bugs to robbiew
[16:50] <robbiew> heh
[16:50] <ev> barry: ah, unfamiliar with that.  I was only just getting started when I used twm.
[16:51] <doko> next chair?
[16:51] <barry> ev: teh googles says the last update to its web page was mid 90's ;)
[16:51] <ev> hahaha, awesome
[16:51] <cjwatson> doko: rule from last meeting would make it you again ;-)
[16:51] <cjwatson> so I guess obvious sanity check means we use the second from the shuffle list in that case, i.e. me
[16:52] <Keybuk> I used to like olvwm
[16:52] <ev> are we playing roulette with the chair now as well?
[16:52] <doko> cjwatson: ok ... :-/
[16:52] <doko> 3
[16:52] <doko> 2
[16:53] <barry> Keybuk: i remember that one
[16:53] <doko> 1
[16:53] <doko> #endmeeting
[16:53] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:53.
[16:53] <robbiew> thanks doko
[16:53] <psurbhi> doko, thanks
[16:53] <doko> will shuffle better next time
[16:53] <psurbhi> :)
[16:53] <barry> doko: hack the script! :)
[16:53] <cjwatson> doko: it's fine for it to be me :)
[16:53] <barry> thanks doko
[16:54]  * barry -> reboot intarwebs
[16:54] <ev> thanks


[02:09] <ranu> Could anyone have a look at this bug I filled: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=369092 ?
[02:10] <ranu> Does anyone had this problem?
[02:18] <Zren> ranu, try renaming the baloo index
[02:19] <Zren> Eg: mv ~/.local/share/baloo ~/.local/share/baloo-old
[02:20] <Zren> you might have to restart plasmashell afterward renaming it
[02:23] <ranu> Let me try it, what does baloo do?
[02:24] <ranu> Well, it looks like it is back to work
[02:26] <ranu> It is solved
[02:26] <ranu> Thanks Zren
[02:32] <Zren> baloo is the file search indexer thingy
[02:43] <ranu> Oh
[03:38] <viewer|82658> help
[04:35] <momoe> Good morning/evening everyone.
[04:42] <atdprhs> Hi all
[04:43] <atdprhs> Do anyone know how to track the root cause of an application termination? I have an service that is running on Kubuntu, but for some reason, it's getting terminated by exit code 130 signal caught is 2 which means Ctrl+C
[06:19] <barq> In Eclipse when I click on different perspectives they don't change the visual appearance to "selected". This is new since upgrading to 16.04 from 15.10. How can I fix this?
[06:45] <Guest98721> are you planning on adding kde 5.7 here https://launchpad.net/~clivejo
[07:51] <Quetzalcoatl> hi guys! can anyone worked with httping ?
[09:12] <n0cto> So I've been pretty consistently getting error messages that KDE Plasma 5 has stopped working and then it has to restart. Does anyone know a way to make it more stable?
[09:14] <n0cto> the exact error is "Executable: plasmashell PID: 31917 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
[09:21] <hateball> n0cto: are you on 16.04?
[09:21] <hateball> n0cto: a nice first step would be to use kubuntu backports PPA, if you are not already
[09:23] <n0cto> hateball, yeah I am on 16.04
[09:24] <hateball> n0cto: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[09:33] <n0cto> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[09:33] <n0cto> got it
[09:35] <n0cto> so what exactly does this kubuntu-ppa/backports command do? I'm pretty new to this
[09:38] <hateball> n0cto: it adds a repository of "unofficial" packages
[09:38] <hateball> n0cto: which allows for newer versions of Plasma than 16.04 has by default
[09:38] <hateball> !ppa
[09:39] <hateball> But by default Kubuntu 16.04 is quite dire, so anyone looking to use it will want to use this PPA...
[09:43] <n0cto> and will that command install those newer versions automatically or do I need to do something else afterwards?
[09:43] <hateball> n0cto: thats what the full command I gave you does
[09:44] <hateball> adds the repo, reloads the source lists, upgrades packages
[10:14] <user|16997> Salut micro pénis
[11:02] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:17] <momoe> Goooodmoooorniiiing~
[12:19] <momoe> So can anyone give me a quick tidbit, on how to shorten the shutdown/restart countdown? I want to make it from 30seconds to 5
[13:45] <chcknrub> http://www.chcknrub.com/
[13:50] <acheronuk> momoe: I have a feeling that timeout is coded in the QML or even C++. I had a quick look the other day, and couldn't find an obvious place to change it
[14:18] <umut_> Hi!I want to import all the kde settings from another accounts .kde folder but copying as is does not work.Could you please help me?
[14:23] <user|90304> hello?
[14:23] <user|90304> support is pretty much just a chat?
[14:23] <user|90304> fail in evaluating the _reg object of ec device. broken bios is suspected
[14:24] <user|90304> anyone know how can i get to install kubuntu? always having that problem
[14:30] <soee> 1 min .. :)
[14:39] <mgolden_> user|90304: What have you tried?
[14:39] <mgolden_> umut_: can you give more detail?
[15:41] <Zren> acheronuk, you're correct that it's in the QML. momoe, edit the timeout in this file.
[15:41] <Zren> /usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.kde.breeze.desktop/contents/components/LogoutScreen.qml
[15:42] <momoe> Thanks Zren, achernuk. I'll take a look at it and make the change
[15:46] <acheronuk> Zren: ah, when I searched I was expecting it in ms, so skipped over that
[17:00] <Smurphy> Hmmm.  I know that my default local is set to US English, but Timezone and settings are all matched to france.
[17:19] <marco-parillo> There is some background at a bug I opened:
[17:19] <marco-parillo> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982
[18:10] <Smurphy> marco-parillo: Thx...
[18:17] <marco-parillo> Wish there were a good answer.
[19:25] <Smurphy> yeah...
[19:29] <valorie> Smurphy: it's now part of Qt locales, so the change needs to take place there
[19:30] <valorie> the KDE devels haven't been able to convince the Qt devels to make such a change
[19:30] <valorie> yet
[19:48] <Smurphy> valorie: Thx. How can I change the Qt locales? I suppose it takes the LC_ALL or LANG ?
[19:57] <valorie> !locales
[19:58] <valorie> hmmm, not sure how useful that is
[19:58] <valorie> the first one is garbage
[19:58] <valorie> second is a bit better
[19:59] <valorie> so how most have dealt with it is to find a locale with the language of your choice, and the clock or calendar, and just use that
[20:00] <valorie> which sucks, but it's the best we can do until the Qt devels see the light
[20:00] <Smurphy> that is not usefull. I tend to want US locales on the console. Hence I need to specific locale for Qt...
[20:01] <Smurphy> My locale is set correctly. The Clock on the panel is displayed correctly (24Hours notation). In the Calendar (Korganizer), it falls back tp am/pm notation.
[20:01] <Smurphy> That's what is wrong.
[20:02] <valorie> ewww
[20:02] <valorie> I guess I would take that issue up with the experts in #kontact
[20:05] <Smurphy> Prolly...
[20:07] <viewer|42756> i just install K-Ubuntu 16.04, after installation i tried to install my wired internet connection manually. but every time it failed. what could i do? please someone help
[20:10] <soee> viewer|42756: install wired connection?
[20:11] <viewer|42756> its installed
[20:11] <viewer|42756> i tried to add my ip, dns, getway but it failed
[20:12] <Smurphy> You add it statically? and you know your way around networks?
[20:12] <viewer|42756> ya
[20:13] <viewer|42756> but it refused to add
[20:14] <viewer|42756> sorry for my english
[20:14] <viewer|42756> never mind
[20:14] <Smurphy> what's your lanmguage?
[20:14] <viewer|42756> i tried it trough network manager
[20:15] <Smurphy> That will work better - usuallyl.
[20:15] <viewer|42756> *through
[20:16] <viewer|42756> bangla is my language
[20:16] <Smurphy> Ok. You got me here. Speaking 6 fluently, but not that one ;)
[20:17] <viewer|42756> but network manager is not working
[20:18] <Smurphy> After you configured it. Type: ifdown eth0 (it it's eth0), and then ifup eth0
[20:18] <Smurphy> As root.
[20:19] <Smurphy> That will bringf the interface down, and up.,
[20:19] <viewer|42756> ok
[20:19] <viewer|42756> and its not eth its enp
[20:20] <Smurphy> can be. It always depends on the system and if you upgraded or did a fresh install.
[20:20] <viewer|42756> ok
[20:23] <viewer|42756> can t tell me how to config my wired internet using terminal
[20:24] <Smurphy> yes -> /etc/networking/interfaces file. That's where to put it.
[20:25] <Smurphy> here is an example: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[20:25] <Smurphy> Go to Static IP address
[20:25] <viewer|42756> thank u
[20:25] <Smurphy> -> Static IP Address Assignment
[20:25] <viewer|42756> ok
[20:26] <Smurphy> You lucky. I'm just playing with a j1900 with 4 lan interfaces to see how it runs under ubuntu server LTS + Shorewall firewall.,
[20:26] <Smurphy> Just did it 2 days ago ;)
[20:26] <Smurphy> the networking part.
[20:27] <viewer|42756> thanks again
[20:30] <viewer|42756> ok see ya bye
[20:31] <viewer|42756> this is my fb id, see soon
[20:31] <viewer|42756><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:32] <viewer|42756> rakibullah Sarker
[20:34] <Smurphy> Cya ...
[20:34] <Smurphy> Facebook and Twitter is locked down in our networks ;)