[00:16] <Bittarman> any reason known why I should be unable to get xorg to start properly? I just constantly get confronted with some errors about null preinits for 3 mouse related things, and it won't even start in low graphics
[00:35] <ulle> about half of the time  when i boot into latest lucid kernel, my sound device is not recognized i cannot mount the other filesystems and the cpu scaling applet doesn't have a drop down menu and when i try to shutdown it logs out but doesnt letme shutdown, i think all these problems are somehow related because when i hear the sound i can mount and use everything else, another problem would be that the maclike smooth transition between grub. login
[00:35] <ulle>  and gnome only works after i update the kernel otherwise i get a black screen and i have to press enter to get another gdm login and the i can login
[00:51] <pace_t_zulu> Anyone who runs lucid desktop as a virtualbox guest should report that this bug also affects them https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/535297
[00:54] <Muscovy> I can't use the URL.
[01:32] <ulle> is it possible to use the mail applet with something other than evolution?
[01:34] <infecto> 66.24897 Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 179232.
[01:34] <infecto> 66.243846 end-request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1433856
[01:34] <vanishing> ulle: i think so ...but never tested
[01:34] <infecto> can i fix this from command line, i`m trying to install 64bit on my computer
[01:35] <infecto> but 10.04 and 9.10 have the same problem
[01:35] <ulle> infecto try from a usb drive instead of cdrom
[01:36] <infecto> hmm
[01:36] <infecto> ulle: thats option, but my poorrrr fuck** hp laptop dont have this option in bios
[01:36] <infecto> i dont know for what i pay so much money
[01:36] <infecto> i dont know where i have head :)
[01:37] <ulle> infecto, how old is you computer ?
[01:38] <infecto> ulle: 1 year?
[01:38] <infecto> core 2 2.5ghz
[01:38] <ulle> it should be able to boot from usb
[01:38] <infecto> its rly fresh in my opinion
[01:38] <infecto> i read, maybe its problem of writing cd
[01:38] <infecto> try one more time
[01:38] <infecto> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/266951
[01:38] <infecto> here it is
[01:40] <ulle> try pressing the f keys while booting the bios  one of these keys f2 f8 f11 or f12 should bring up a menu where u can choose your boot device
[01:40] <infecto> ulle: ok, but i must prepare usb firs
[01:40] <ulle> infecto, some bioses use escape also
[01:41] <ulle> infecto, that is right , should be easy if you re running linux
[01:41] <infecto> ulle: f9 is for me, but only options are hdd or cdrom ;)
[01:41] <infecto> yep i`m runing right now ubuntu
[01:41] <ulle> maybe you have to insert a usb device for it to come up
[01:41] <infecto> maybe :) i will try
[01:46] <infecto> ok, usb created we will se :)
[01:48] <ulle> good luck
[02:07] <guitarman888> hello
[02:08] <guitarman888> just wondering, when the planned release date for 10.04 is.
[02:16] <ulle> infecto, did it work?
[02:19] <kindofabuzz> how can i upgrade karmic server to lucid? can i just use the update-manager -d?
[02:20] <Thuuuugs> Hi - just upgraded from Ubuntu Server 9.04 to Ubuntu 10.4 (Lucid), all went fine - did the update through apt-get update/upgrade but now when rebooting server and trying to login via SSH im getting "connection refused" - server is repsonding to pings tho
[02:21] <kindofabuzz> Thuuuugs, what command did you use? that's the question I just asked is how to upgrade server to Lucid
[02:22] <Thuuuugs> I changed karmic to lucid
[02:22] <Thuuuugs> in source.list
[02:22] <Thuuuugs> then ran aptitude update
[02:22] <kindofabuzz> oh ok
[02:22] <Thuuuugs> aptitude dist-upgrade
[02:22] <Thuuuugs> went fine, well it seemed, no errors
[02:22] <Thuuuugs> now i cant get into server :(
[02:22] <kindofabuzz> about your question, i get that sometimes with karmic, try another reboot
[02:23] <kindofabuzz> and make sure it's connected to the network :)
[02:23] <Thuuuugs> haha yea its not at home mate, in a datacentre
[02:23] <Thuuuugs> been working fine for months
[02:23] <Thuuuugs> just decided to test out lucid
[02:23] <Thuuuugs> and now its locked me out
[02:24] <Thuuuugs> rebooting server now
[02:24] <Thuuuugs> its definately connected to network as I can ping it
[02:24] <histo> Is there a way to have the indicator applet connect to empathy on startup? Or do I just have to add it to the session?
[02:25] <Thuuuugs> only thing I saw during whole upgrade process was something about 'pid' of rsync/cron
[02:25] <Thuuuugs> not being able to be restarted or something
[02:25] <histo> you don't have local access?
[02:26] <Thuuuugs> its in a datacentre in another country
[02:26] <histo> Thuuuugs: i mean physical access to the machien
[02:26] <Thuuuugs> so unfortunately no
[02:26] <histo> Thuuuugs: ahh.  how'd you restart it then?
[02:26] <Thuuuugs> thorugh my Servers' manger
[02:26] <Thuuuugs> it can be pinged
[02:26] <Thuuuugs> but not getting thru on ssh
[02:26] <Thuuuugs> has been fine on karmic
[02:26] <histo> Thuuuugs: I noticed a problem with a server the other day that it was hanging at the grub menu  without input . Had to select a kernel then update-grub to fix it so it would default boot.
[02:27] <histo> Thuuuugs: did you install ssh on it?
[02:27] <histo> Thuuuugs: and see if the port is open
[02:27] <Thuuuugs> wld alrdy be on it
[02:27] <Thuuuugs> it could be stuck at grub
[02:27] <Thuuuugs> but not sure how i can fix that
[02:27] <histo> you can use nmap and see if the port is open
[02:28] <histo> well if network is up then it has to be up.  hrm...
[02:28] <Thuuuugs> well it can be pinged
[02:28] <histo> it can't be stuck at grub if its responding to pings
[02:28] <Thuuuugs> so
[02:28] <Thuuuugs> kk
[02:28] <histo> but you still need to see if its listening on port 22
[02:28] <kindofabuzz> Thuuuugs, just ran a sudo do-release-upgrade -d on my server through SSH and here's what it says: This session appears to be running under ssh. It is not recommended
[02:29] <kindofabuzz> to perform a upgrade over ssh currently because in case of failure it
[02:29] <kindofabuzz> is harder to recover. :)
[02:29] <histo> kindofabuzz: its just a warning I've done it successfully before.
[02:29] <kindofabuzz> but mine is local so gonna do it
[02:30] <kindofabuzz> Thuuuugs, then after saying yes it gave me this: This session appears to be running under ssh. It is not recommended to perform a upgrade over ssh currently because in case of failure it is harder to recover.
[02:30] <Thuuuugs> its just weird
[02:30] <kindofabuzz> oops hang on
[02:30] <histo> Thuuuugs: sudo nmap -sS -p 22 ipofserver
[02:30] <Thuuuugs> I didnt do it thru do-release-upgrade
[02:31] <kindofabuzz> To make recovery in case of failure easier, an additional sshd will
[02:31] <kindofabuzz> be started on port '9004'. If anything goes wrong with the running
[02:31] <kindofabuzz> ssh you can still connect to the additional one
[02:31] <kindofabuzz> try port 9004?
[02:31] <Thuuuugs> trying
[02:31] <Thuuuugs> no go
[02:31] <histo> kindofabuzz: yeah but he didn't use do-release upgrade
[02:32] <histo> Thuuuugs: try to scan it for port 22
[02:32] <infecto> ulle: yep, installed from usb
[02:32] <Thuuuugs> i will, running winblows on this box
[02:32] <Thuuuugs> so
[02:32] <infecto> ulle: thanksa lootttttt
[02:32] <Thuuuugs> finding nmap inline
[02:32] <Thuuuugs> online*
[02:32] <infecto> now i`m searching doc how to enable terminal font in Konsoel kde terminal ;)
[02:33] <histo> Thuuuugs: http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scan/
[02:34] <Thuuuugs> yea
[02:34] <Thuuuugs> jst got there lol
[02:34] <Thuuuugs> no to 22
[02:34] <Thuuuugs> or 9004
[02:34] <ulle> infecto, i hope i get someone to help me:)
[02:34] <infecto> ulle: whats the problem? :)
[02:35] <Thuuuugs> i dont knw
[02:35] <Thuuuugs> wth could of happened
[02:36] <ulle> infecto, when i reboot my sound card is not detected the login window of gdm comes twice and i cannot use the cpu frequency scaler
[02:38] <histo> Thuuuugs: then ssh isn't listening
[02:38] <Drakeson> (lucid + firefox 3.6 + amd64) -> many firfox addons prevent firefox from starting. including the ones from ubuntu repos (some of xul-ext-* packages)
[02:38] <infecto> ulle: and this is with up to date lucid?
[02:38] <Drakeson> what was the ubuntu mozilla team channel?
[02:38] <infecto> i havent today that kind of problems :(
[02:39] <ulle> infecto, and i cannot mount other hard drives it is reallly weird, normally i would just revert to older kernel which worked, but lucid lynx brought me  suspend and resume something i was waiting for since i bought this laptop 2 years ago so im trying very hard to get this to work normally
[02:40] <infecto> ulle: you dont have old kernels in grub menu?
[02:41] <Drakeson> is there anyone who does not have that problem (to reproduce install xul-ext-greasemonkey in an up-to-date lucid, and restart firefox *twice*).
[02:42] <ulle> infecto, i have older kernel but i cannot suspend using them
[02:42] <infecto> ulle: why not? dont wake up?
[02:43] <ulle> infecto, sometimes it hangs while suspending, so it cannot wake up
[02:47] <infecto> graphic card?
[02:47] <infecto> and what log say?
[02:48] <infecto> ok
[02:48] <infecto> must go sleep
[02:48] <infecto> 3h left, need to rest
[02:48] <infecto> bye all
[02:50] <ulle> bye
[02:57] <h00k> So, I have a bug that I just tagged as lucid and I think it's kinda-sorta important, are there any other tags that I could possibly add to this bug?_           ::  |604|            :
[02:58] <h00k> ...what was that.
[02:58] <h00k> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/405089
[02:59] <Thuuuugs> histo: I understand that
[02:59] <Thuuuugs> but cant figure out why
[03:01] <h00k> I added a bit more to the report
[03:10] <livingroom> It's not primarily Lucid issue, but I'm trying to test it out using testdrive project on my Karmic 64bit but unfortunately unable to install required dependency package: cpu-checker
[03:14] <ulle> how can i stop gnome from locking up when i m idle?
[03:20] <livingroom> ulle, you could use gconf-editor
[03:20] <livingroom> go to Edit -> Find
[03:21] <livingroom> enter: lockdown
[03:23] <livingroom> check: disable_lock_screen
[03:23] <h00k> ulle: also, the screensaver settings?
[03:28] <livingroom> h00k, does Lucid provide that functionality? The screensaver preference in Karmic does not
[03:29] <Thuuuugs> alright
[03:30] <Thuuuugs> using sudo do-release-upgrade -d now
[03:30] <Thuuuugs> doing its thing
[03:30] <Thuuuugs> lets see if it dies again
[03:31] <ulle> h00k, thx
[03:37] <Thuuuugs> histo: no luck
[03:37] <Thuuuugs> no ssh on 22
[03:37] <Thuuuugs> OR 9004
[03:39] <h00k> livingroom: sure it does, "lock screen when screensaver is active"
[03:44] <h00k> livingroom: it has for a while
[03:45] <livingroom> h00k, you are right
[03:45] <h00k> no use poking around in gconf if yo don't have to ;)
[03:46] <livingroom> stupid me did check that disable_lock_screen in gconf-editor and then it was greyed out and it slip my eyesight
[03:46] <livingroom> well good to know, cause I really didn't know it was there
[03:49] <Thuuuugs> this the offical channel for Lucid ay? hoping a dev comes in later
[03:50] <Thuuuugs> this ssh issue is quiet big
[03:51] <livingroom> Thuuuugs, ssh issue?
[03:51] <h00k> Thuuuugs: your best bet is going to be to report it on launchpad
[03:51] <Thuuuugs> Hi - just upgraded from Ubuntu Server 9.04 to Ubuntu 10.4 (Lucid), all went fine - did the update through apt-get update/upgrade but now when rebooting server and trying to login via SSH im getting "connection refused" - server is repsonding to pings tho
[03:51] <Thuuuugs> ive also gone and done it thru
[03:52] <Thuuuugs> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[03:52] <Thuuuugs> with the same issue on both 22 and 9004
[04:02] <Some_Person> There's a package recently added to lucid (after the feature freeze) that's missing a build-depends
[04:03] <Some_Person> This prevents a feature from working
[04:04] <kklimonda> Some_Person: and? have you reported it?
[04:04] <Some_Person> kklimonda: I was just about to ask where/how I should report this
[04:04] <kklimonda> Some_Person: on launchpad
[04:04] <kindofabuzz> Thuuuugs, you still here?
[04:05] <Thuuuugs> kindofabuzz: yea mate, i went back and did it ur way
[04:05] <Thuuuugs> same issue
[04:06] <Thuuuugs> kindofabuzz: did you get it to work
[04:06] <kindofabuzz> Thuuuugs, yeah just got done with the upgrade, i'm getting same thing, hooked up monitor to server and I see error: no sitable mode found and error: unknown command 'terminal'
[04:06] <kindofabuzz> *suitable
[04:06] <Thuuuugs> huzzah
[04:07] <Thuuuugs> its nt jst me
[04:07] <kindofabuzz> nope
[04:08] <Thuuuugs> googling it shows
[04:08] <Thuuuugs> sumthin with grub2
[04:09] <kindofabuzz> plymoth
[04:09] <kindofabuzz> look at known issues on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha3
[04:09] <Thuuuugs> kindofabuzz: what should we do
[04:09] <Some_Person> kklimonda: SHould I just report it as a bug?
[04:09] <kindofabuzz> i tried switching terminals but no go
[04:10] <Thuuuugs> u have launchpad account?
[04:10] <Thuuuugs> mebe go and report it - cause i dont have one
[04:10] <kindofabuzz> i think it's already known
[04:11] <kklimonda> Some_Person: no - the person who made an upload got email already
[04:11] <Some_Person> kklimonda: Huh? What should I do then?
[04:11] <Thuuuugs> kindofabuzz: it is? gah wish I knew :(
[04:11] <kindofabuzz> now my server won't even  boot :(
[04:12] <kindofabuzz> back to karmic i guess
[04:12] <Thuuuugs> kindofabuzz: yea back to karmic server for me to sigh
[04:12] <Thuuuugs> wish debian squeeze wld hurry up cause debootstrap not workin with my dedicated server, and lenny doesnt have ext4 as standard
[04:12] <Thuuuugs> so waiting
[04:13] <kklimonda> Some_Person: just wait
[04:14] <Some_Person> kklimonda: How did they get an email? I didn't even say in here which package it was
[04:16] <kklimonda> Some_Person: when the package fails to build the emails is send to the person who uploaded it
[04:16] <Some_Person> It didn't fail to build though
[04:17] <Some_Person> Failure to build-depend on this just disables a feature
[04:19] <kklimonda> Some_Person: ah
[04:19] <Some_Person> So should I file a bug?
[04:19] <kklimonda> Some_Person: yes, please do
[04:19] <wineman> Hello anybody know how to get rid of a 30 second pause during bootup
[04:19] <kklimonda> Some_Person: it may have been decided not to enable the feature for some reason
[04:19] <Some_Person> I doubt it.
[04:22] <Some_Person> kklimonda: I already filed this as a bug for a previous version of the package (the one in karmic and below)
[04:53] <LLStarks> is gparted still being kept back on i386?
[04:55] <ZykoticK9> LLStarks, it's still in limbo on my amd64 box
[04:56] <h00k> same here, also udisks and parted
[05:37] <Drooling_Sheep> my wifi connection has been randomly dropping and reconnecting since the 2.6.32-16 kernel (I think ~500 packages updated at the same time so I don't know for sure it's to blame)
[05:40] <Drooling_Sheep> any ideas on how to go about investigating the problem?
[05:43] <Blue1> got what I needed - location of latest alpha - thanks
[05:48] <Thuuuugs> wonder how long this ssh bug will take to get fixed
[05:48] <Thuuuugs> pretty crippling for servers id say
[05:50] <hifi> what ssh bug?
[05:51] <Ian_Corne> Thuuuugs: I doubt there are many servers running an alpha version, at least production servers
[05:52] <Thuuuugs> Ian_Corne: No i'm sure not, not production atleast, but would of thought something as crippling as not being able to login via ssh was quite key
[06:28] <cwillu> Drooling_Sheep, try it under an older kernel?
[06:28] <Drooling_Sheep> oddly enough it stopped as soon as I asked...maybe it got embarrassed
[06:29] <cwillu> check your dmesg output for suspicious lines around the same time as the issue comes and goes, etc
[06:29] <Drooling_Sheep> I'll take a look
[06:33] <Drooling_Sheep> there are a bunch of lines that start [06:40] <Drooling_Sheep> oh, apparently it's an issue with my wireless card that was reported all the way back in Jaunty....weird that it worked for weeks then cut out about a half dozen times in an hour and has now been working fine for an hour
[06:40]  * Drooling_Sheep shrugs
[07:10] <blakamin> Anyone had a nvidia error "Failed to allocate video memory"?
[07:12] <blakamin> sorry, got disconnected...
[07:12] <blakamin> has anybody seen "Failed to allocate video memory" in lucid yet?
[07:16] <blakamin> nobody?
[07:17] <cwillu_at_work> blakamin, launchpad.net is a better place to look
[07:18] <blakamin> trying that... not seeming to find any... a bit worried!
[07:18] <blakamin> it only happened after an update 24hrs ago
[07:19] <cwillu_at_work> which driver are you using?
[07:20] <cwillu_at_work> and in what context did you see it?
[07:21] <blakamin> nvidia-current as it wont uninstall or let me run nouveau
[07:21] <blakamin> i might try blacklisting nvidia driers next...
[07:21] <blakamin> *drivers
[07:22] <blakamin> everytime i boot as it tries to start x. I'm in low graphics mode
[07:23] <ZykoticK9> blakamin, have you tried http://linuxers.org/article/linux-nvidia-drivers-might-also-have-gpu-fan-speed-issue
[07:24] <blakamin> have seen that.. I have a laptop though
[07:24] <ZykoticK9> blakamin, be sure to see the section "Using following commands", disabling this was on PlanetUbuntu the other day but can't find the link
[07:25] <blakamin> i saw it and tried earlier... will try again and report back
[07:27] <blakamin> ah, just noticed when I tried earlier it was on 2.6.32-15-generic, not 16-generic like it is now... fingers crossed. be back after reboot
[07:32] <blakamin> Back. I have nouveau working but only at 1024x768 instead of 1200x800
[07:36] <blakamin> hmm, interesting... no xorg.conf
[07:36] <cwillu_at_work> there's not supposed to be an xorg.conf
[07:36] <blakamin> ah
[07:36] <cwillu_at_work> hasn't been for a couple releases now :p
[07:36] <blakamin> ok... haven't had to play with graphics for about that many releases until now. lol
[07:37] <blakamin> any ideas on resolution then?
[07:38] <cwillu_at_work> file a bug?
[07:38] <cwillu_at_work> i.e., the only reason to be using lucid this early? :p
[07:38] <cwillu_at_work> that said, does xrandr show any options for higher resolutions?  are you sure you're actually running nouveaux, or is it actually using a vesa fallback? (/var/log/xorg.0.log
[07:39] <blakamin> good point
[07:40] <ZykoticK9> blakamin, could you do me a favour?  could you verify what the driver name is reported as in "lspci -vnvn"
[07:42] <blakamin> kernel driver in use: nouveau
[07:42] <ZykoticK9> blakamin, thanks - wanted to know if that's what it showed up as
[07:44] <blakamin> np, any ideas on setting resolution? as I said earlier, I've never had any video hassles on this laptop (except framebuffer rubbish) for about 2 years
[07:45] <ZykoticK9> blakamin, personally I haven't used nouveau since I installed a2 at beginning of last month, I'm using the blob
[07:45] <blakamin> ah, ok
[07:45] <blakamin> thanks anyway!
[07:49] <blakamin> hmm, very weird... cwillu_at_work, according to the log the probed modes includes "1200x800" x60.0 so I wonder why I dont get that option
[07:52] <cwillu_at_work> blakamin, try setting it from the screens and resolutions panel
[07:52] <cwillu_at_work> or directly from xrandr
[07:54] <blakamin> just having a look at xrandr.
[07:56] <blakamin> woohoo!
[07:56] <blakamin> xrandr worked
[07:56] <Muscovy> Can someone tell me how to install the light-themes on karmic? I'm trying to do it for a friend, and I forgot.
[07:57] <blakamin> actually, not quite, but I'll fix it
[07:57] <Muscovy> I installed them, but the gtk is blocky.
[08:00] <blakamin> Thanks for your help, cwillu_at_work
[08:47] <will__> can someone help me
[08:48] <tarzeau> hello anyone runs lucid on powerpc g4 imac? xorg keyboard doesn't work anymore?
[08:49] <tarzeau> and scummvm in directfb mode has wrong colors? mplayer/vlc in x11 also have wrong colors?
[08:50] <will__> anyone able to help with nautilus
[08:51] <teethdood> so now the official theme is black?
[08:52] <teethdood> and purple (bubbles)
[08:54] <teethdood> bah the black theme made firefox bookmark bar's links invisible (since the text is black too)
[08:54] <isaac> ls
[08:55] <tarzeau> teethdood: tried chromium-browser yet?
[08:59] <teethdood> tarzeau: should I give it a whirl? I'm a bit weary of google nowadays (yeah I know it's Chromium and not Chrome but still)
[09:04] <alex88_> wtf, after yesterday updates my networkmanager is a dot and!??!
[09:04] <alex88_> s/and//
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> buns di@s
[09:06] <will__> anyone able to help with nautilus scripts
[09:19] <tarzeau> teethdood: definitely, yes
[09:25] <will__> anyone for nautilus help
[09:38] <Drooling_Sheep> how come the packages parted and udisks show up in the list of updates but refuse to actually update?
[09:40] <ZykoticK9> Drooling_Sheep, you will probably see other packages like this while testing Lucid, the packages just aren't "ready" yet for whatever reason, once they're complete you will be able to install them, could be a couple of days sorta thing.  I thought it was kinda weird when I first say greyed out packages like that too, i reported it as a bug and the entire "not ready" was explained to me.
[09:40] <Drooling_Sheep> ah okay
[09:42] <Drooling_Sheep> I guess they do it that way so if I wanted to work them specifically I could bypass the block and install them but they won't mess up anyone who's working on other packages?
[09:43] <ZykoticK9> Drooling_Sheep, manually trying to update them is probably NOT a good idea, they aren't ready for a reason, and if you start subverting the update process with 3rd party packages, you might be causing more harm then good.
[09:43] <Drooling_Sheep> I wasn't planning on it
[09:44] <Chipaca> Drooling_Sheep: usually it's an issue with dependencies; i.e. the package itself is ready, but it depends on something that isn't in the archive yet
[09:44] <Drooling_Sheep> ahhh that makes sense
[09:44] <Drooling_Sheep> thanks
[09:45] <Logi> I'm running kubuntu+1 and am having problems with knetworkmanager, so running nm-applet for now, but it's not remembering passwords between sessions. What's the package containing the password manager? I'm out of guesses.
[09:46] <ZykoticK9> Logi, gnome-keyring
[09:47] <Drooling_Sheep> I installed the alpha on this machine so I could try and contribute...do any of you know where I could find a good starting point for that?
[09:47] <Logi> ZykoticK9: thanks. Unfortunately that's already installed, so I'm having other problems. Let me just update everything before I complain :)
[09:48] <ZykoticK9> Drooling_Sheep, reporting bugs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs has some helpful info
[09:48] <Drooling_Sheep> ok thanks
[09:49] <ZykoticK9> Drooling_Sheep, you'll probably want to create a Launchpad account if you don't already have one, I created mine when i started testing Lucid a little over a month ago.  Reporting bugs is fairly easy typically you just use "ubuntu-bug PACKAGENAME" and follow the onscreen/webbrowser directions
[09:50] <EruditeHermit> did firefox just break?
[09:50] <Drooling_Sheep> I have one from reporting a bug a while back, actually
[09:52] <ZykoticK9> Drooling_Sheep, about a Do bug?
[09:52] <Drooling_Sheep> a Do bug?
[09:53] <ZykoticK9> Drooling_Sheep, gnome-do?
[09:53] <yofel> Logi: what are your problems with knetworkmanager? It works fine here
[09:53] <Drooling_Sheep> ohh I don't really remember why?
[09:53] <ZykoticK9> Drooling_Sheep, was wondering if this was you https://launchpad.net/~droolingsheep
[09:54] <Logi> yofel: on my home network, it doesn't set up the default route. On the work network, it doesn't seem to do much at all, but I haven't tried it much. I can re-try the work network now.
[09:54] <Drooling_Sheep> yeah
[09:54] <Logi> (which menas dropping off the net for a moment, but I'm going to reboot anyway)
[09:54] <ZykoticK9> Drooling_Sheep, memeber since 2007 i'm jealous
[09:54] <yofel> ah
[09:55] <Drooling_Sheep> ZykoticK9, haha yeah I've been using ubuntu for a few years...it used to give me more problems than it does now :)
[09:56] <ZykoticK9> Drooling_Sheep, i hope you still feel that way after running Lucid for a while ;)  It's actually been running really well for me, not to scare you or anything.
[09:58] <ZykoticK9> EruditeHermit, what's happening with your Firefox?  Mine seems to be running ok?  Almost never open FF anymore, chromium-browser in the repo is very handy - I'm glad it's built into Lucid, no PPA required.
[09:59] <EruditeHermit> ZykoticK9, its not working
[09:59] <EruditeHermit> ZykoticK9, no process is started
[09:59] <ZykoticK9> EruditeHermit, if you start it from a terminal do you get any informative output?
[09:59] <EruditeHermit> nope
[10:00] <EruditeHermit> no output
[10:00] <EruditeHermit> just returns to prompt
[10:00] <yofel> EruditeHermit: can you run 'firefox -safe-mode' close the window that pops up and try to run firefox normally again
[10:00] <yofel> ?
[10:00] <Logi> yofel: works at work now. I may simply have pressed the wrong button. In 09.10 it never worked at home, so I'd more-or-less given up on it.
[10:00] <EruditeHermit> ah
[10:00] <EruditeHermit> I just did apt-get --reinstall install firefox firefox-3.5
[10:00] <EruditeHermit> and it started working again
[10:00] <Logi> yofel: I'll try it again at home later...
[10:01] <Drooling_Sheep> ZykoticK9, I'm running Karmic on the computer I use most of the time, so I'm not going to be too unhappy if Lucid goes rogue
[10:02] <ZykoticK9> Drooling_Sheep, good idea.  I'm dual booting, have only gone back to Karmic once.
[10:03] <Drooling_Sheep> nice, the issue of X not starting unless I restarted gdm from a terminal has gone away with one of these updates...I think that's the only definite bug I've encountered
[10:04] <yofel> EruditeHermit: actually, there's not much sense in installing firefox-3.5, as that's a transitional package for 3.6 in lucid
[10:26] <neil_d> I just installed apt-proxy on my main computer.. I am trying to install lucid using the proxy.. it isn't working :(   what should the apt-proxy config have for the ubuntu backend url?
[11:07] <will__> can someone help uninstall XML animated background creator 0.6
[11:08] <BUGabundo_remote> DOH
[11:08] <BUGabundo_remote> I should have RTFM
[11:08] <will__> huh
[11:09] <will__> BUGabondo you know  help in  uninstall XML animated background creator 0.6
[11:09] <will__> ?
[11:10] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: what happened? ^^
[11:10] <yofel> will__: how did you install it? If you used a package you should be able to remove it from the software center
[11:12] <will__> its not listed
[11:12] <will__> i got it from http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/XML+animated+background+creator?content=118074
[11:12] <will__> gnome eye candy
[11:13] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: http://openfacts2.berlios.de/wikien/index.php/BerliosProject:FreeNX_-_FAQ/Clients
[11:13] <BUGabundo_remote> I didn't read the FAQ
[11:13] <BUGabundo_remote> so spent days compaing
[11:13] <BUGabundo_remote> and it already did what I needed!
[11:13] <yofel> heh
[11:14] <BUGabundo_remote> will__: I have no knowlage of that
[11:17] <will__> ok well thank you anyway
[12:03] <rye> is it only me or Evolution starts to be slightly unresponsive for URL clicks and cursor shape updates?
[12:08] <JEEBsv> hey~ I see after updating today that aptitude no longer crashes on gnome-terminal. Thanks guys :)
[12:08] <JEEBsv> *I see that
[12:22] <DipSwitch> crypt fs works in lucid?
[12:27] <JEEBsv> Argh, I get it again D:
[12:27] <JEEBsv> *** glibc detected *** aptitude: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08e2ce10 ***
[12:27] <yofel> *sigh*
[12:28] <JEEBsv> At least it works via tty*s
[12:29] <JEEBsv> I wonder if I should report it now since the app for reporting problems actually found the crash this time :3
[12:29] <yofel> JEEBsv: BUGabundo_remote already reported it
[12:29] <yofel> lemme fetch the bug
[12:29] <JEEBsv> yofel: oh nice :3
[12:31] <yofel> oh, that bug was actually reported a lot... bug 515525
[12:31] <JEEBsv> I wonder what causes it since it doesn't happen if you log in via tty*
[12:32] <JEEBsv> :3
[12:33] <yofel> well, it has something to do with the screen size progress fix that was applied in ubuntu8
[12:33] <yofel> *ubuntu9
[12:34] <yofel> bug 391035 actually
[12:34] <JEEBsv> Ok... Other bugs that I happen to have: What settings should be run to get ibus to start on boot (on 9.10 I just had to select ibus as the input method)? Also, the i915 intel gpu bug (which I already checked to be affecting me) and for some reason if I put Compiz on I just get textures flipped
[12:36] <yofel> which intel gpu bug? (bug #?)
[12:36] <JEEBsv> lemme see...
[12:36] <Oxymoron> chkdsk, how to do that in kubuntu because livecd of Win7 doesnt work in command prompt as it doesnt detect my keyboard ... lol and grub doesnt boot into Win7 while select I got: "Grub Hard Disk error" and get back to grub again .... xD Seriously, HELP NOW!
[12:37] <JEEBsv> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/532381
[12:38] <yofel> grub hard disk error? does it tell you an error code? did you google it? (and you can at best run chkdisk form the windows installation disk, not from linux, and we don't have a fsck.ntfs (yet))
[12:45] <JEEBsv> also, compared to 9.10 I guess a certain opengl-rendering needing game (MegaMari) doesn't work on wine I guess :3 How can I check how fine opengl is working on my current system?
[12:50] <Mikerhinos> hi
[12:51] <yofel> hm, rebooted into linux-16-generic, but I don't get any i915 backtrace here (EeePC 1000H - 945GME)
[12:52] <JEEBsv> Yeah, I guess it's mostly 915
[12:52] <JEEBsv> not 945
[12:52] <yofel> JEEBsv: if you just want to check if it's running run 'glxinfo | grep render' and make sure it says mesa dri...
[12:52] <JEEBsv> ok, thanks
[12:52] <yofel> for benchmarks I don't know
[12:52] <JEEBsv> nah, I'd just like to see if it works
[12:52] <yofel> but we have a different wine version too in lucid
[12:53] <JEEBsv> I'm using wine1.2 since that has the newest version AFAICS
[12:53] <yofel> actually, wine is the same as wine1.2 in lucid, dunno why, but yeah, karmic has 1.1.31 while lucid has 1.1.40 ATM
[12:54] <JEEBsv> yup
[12:54] <JEEBsv> and nice that they merged those
[12:57] <JEEBsv> Hmm, seems to be using mesa dri
[12:58] <JEEBsv> direct rendering: No though
[12:58] <JEEBsv> oh well~
[12:58] <yofel> heh, here I get:
[12:58] <yofel> direct rendering: Yes
[12:58] <yofel> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GME GEM 20091221 2009Q4 x86/MMX/SSE2
[12:59] <JEEBsv> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915GM GEM 20091221 2009Q4 x86/MMX/SSE2
[12:59] <step21> hi, lucid lynx running fine, dual monitor works nicely but not up to full resolution, only to 1366x768. any ideas?
[12:59] <JEEBsv> same driver I guess, just that in 915GM's case the drivers have always been a bit... flakey
[12:59] <yofel> step21: graphics card?
[13:01] <step21> gma 950 in macbook air 1,1
[13:04] <Mikerhinos> lucid running great here too , i even don't need anymore to reinstall Nvidia proprietary driver at each kernel update , which is very cool :)
[13:08] <xfact> Ok, I am testing Lucid Lynx alp 3 and in the header of every window the '(as superuser)' is written, what it means?
[13:09] <ChogyDan> xfact: are you logged in as root?
[13:09] <JEEBsv> It means that the app is run under root priviledges
[13:09] <xfact> ChogyDan, No, I do not think so, I logged normally with my user name
[13:10] <xfact> Even on the set up (ubuntu installation) window the 'as superuser' was written
[13:10] <xfact> JEEBsv, Means everything I am doing in lucid lynx is running under root? Thats unsafe
[13:11] <xfact> Is that a bug or it' normal?
[13:11] <JEEBsv> Well, I'm not getting it on every app
[13:11] <JEEBsv> so I'd say it's not exactly normal
[13:12] <xfact> I have not changed any settings when why mine...
[13:12] <step21> yofel: gma 950, should go up to 1920x1080
[13:12] <ebischoff> hello all. Strange problem here with latest lucid online update, kde is all black. is it a known problem? a compositing problem perharps? Xorg server: nv
[13:13] <xfact> Ok anyone know that how to disable the root privileges from normal activities
[13:13] <JEEBsv> I don't know, mine installed normally :3 I used a nightly ISO from 5th or 6th of March
[13:13] <JEEBsv> After the user interface freeze came
[13:16] <yofel> ebischoff: all black? as in, you see nothing? does krunner open if you press alt+f2?
[13:16] <Mikerhinos> in lucid nv is replaced by nouveau i think , no?
[13:16] <ebischoff> as in i see nothing
[13:16] <xfact> Ok I get it, first time when it's asking for administration privileges (password) for any administrative programs (e.g. software sources) after giving that despite that program everything running under root, thats not normal
[13:17] <yofel> ebischoff: could be that plasma-desktop/-netbook did not launch
[13:17] <ebischoff> in kdm i see the login window, then zero. nothing. black hole. I'll test alt-f2 right now
[13:17] <yofel> ebischoff: do you see the kde splash while it loads?
[13:17] <ebischoff> ah yes there's something i see : the mouse pointer. The rest is just pure black
[13:18] <ebischoff> no reaction to alt-f2
[13:18] <ebischoff> no, i don't see the kde splash. Even kdm is particularly black
[13:18] <yofel> hm...
[13:18] <ebischoff> (i'm currently using my mac's X server over the network)
[13:20] <ebischoff> ctrl-alt-f4 kills the session
[13:22] <melodie_> hello !
[13:22] <step21> yofel: oh and full resolution works in osx and windows
[13:22] <melodie_> how is everybody here ? o/
[13:24] <melodie_> could someone tell me if there is going to exist a : lucid netboox-remix for 64bits Intel Atom N450 processor ?
[13:24] <JEEBsv> onice, they got 64bit into netbooks at last?
[13:25] <JEEBsv> (I mean as far as the CPUs go)
[13:25] <yofel> ebischoff: I'm clueless, you could ask in #kubuntu-devel
[13:25] <ebischoff> will do, thanks yofel
[13:25] <melodie_> JEEBsv, the Samsung N210 has a N450
[13:26] <melodie_>  My son received one for his birthday, now I have to work on it to make a gnu/linux fit in it
[13:26] <JEEBsv> Do they have the netbook interface as a 64bit package yet?
[13:26] <yofel> step21: can't help you, I don't know how dual monitor support works for intel
[13:26] <JEEBsv> If yes, you could just install 64bit ubuntu and add the interface
[13:27] <tgpraveen12> !info ubuntu-netbook
[13:27] <step21> yofel: okay, thanks anyway
[13:28] <melodie_> tgpraveen12, it's "netbook-remix"
[13:28] <melodie_> !info netbook-remix
[13:28] <melodie_> lol
[13:29] <melodie_> it's a flavor
[13:29] <tgpraveen12> ubuntu netbook is the package name
[13:29] <melodie_> really ?
[13:29] <tgpraveen12> so ubuntu+ubuntu-netbook package=netbook remix
[13:29] <tgpraveen12> melodie_: like was said earlier by JEEBsv: If yes, you could just install 64bit ubuntu and add the interface
[13:30] <melodie_> let's see if the package exist in Lucid ?
[13:31] <melodie_> I see several packages that can be candidate : http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=netbook&searchon=names&suite=lucid&section=all
[13:31] <yofel> melodie_: as the bot said, ubuntu-netbook exists in lucid (for i386 and amd64)
[13:31] <xfact> They should add some new wallpapers and a new default theme, it' looking like extended edition of Karmic Koala
[13:32] <yofel> melodie_: the package name is exacly 'ubuntu-netbook'
[13:32] <yofel> xfact: how does the purple wallpaper look like an extension of karmic? o.O
[13:32] <melodie_> what to think about the last four in the list where I just pointed to ? what is the difference ?
[13:33] <melodie_> This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu Netbook system
[13:33] <melodie_> metapackage ?
[13:33] <xfact> ohh, new wallpapers, I am running update, it not yet installed and what about new theme, human theme is common
[13:33] <yofel> well, those are partly parts of the netbook install, and kubuntu-netbook is for the KDE netbook desktop
[13:33] <yofel> melodie_: and yes, ubuntu-netbook is a metapackage
[13:34] <yofel> melodie_: it will install the netbook system (as in everything that belongs to it) and it should set the correct default settings
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> JEEBsv: use -q to stop the crash
[13:34] <melodie_> yofel, tgpraveen12 and JEEBsv : thanks a lot !
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> it has to do with progress bar
[13:35] <melodie_> I download the Lucid beta 1 64bits right away !
[13:35] <melodie_> let's see if it doesn't break before the final release
[13:35] <JEEBsv> BUGabundo_remote: ah, ok
[13:35] <yofel> melodie_: beta isn't out yes, use a daily build
[13:35] <JEEBsv> That lets me off from using tty* for all updates :D
[13:36] <melodie_> yofel, allright
[13:36] <yofel> melodie_: beta will come out in a week
[13:36] <yofel> !daily | melodie_
[13:36] <melodie_> yofel, what stage is it now, still alpha3 ?
[13:36] <yofel> melodie_: use the dialy-live disk
[13:36] <JEEBsv> I think the beta1freeze was today?
[13:37] <melodie_> figure out, I found how to boot it from usb
[13:37] <JEEBsv> So yeah, definitely live CDs
[13:37] <JEEBsv> s/live/daily/
[13:37] <yofel> melodie_: well, more beta than alpha3, that's why you should use the dialy build, but technically lucid is still alpha
[13:37] <melodie_> incase some don't know : you need the .disk dir at the root part of the usb key
[13:37] <yofel> JEEBsv: yes, beta1freeze and kernelfreeze
[13:37] <JEEBsv> yup :)
[13:38] <melodie_> ok !
[13:38] <melodie_> :)
[13:38] <yofel> !schedule | melodie_
[13:38] <yofel> melodie_: if you want more details ;)
[13:39] <melodie_> There is a windows seven on this machine : should I use EasyBCD to manage the dual-boot, by installing grub on the root partition of the Ubuntu distro ?
[13:39] <melodie_> yofel, I had looked at the schedule, which states beta 1 should have been released yesterday...
[13:40] <JEEBsv> melodie_: beta1 surely wasn't on today
[13:40] <melodie_> anyone knowns about dual-booting Ubuntu with Seven ?
[13:40] <yofel> melodie_: the schedule says March 18th fore beta...
[13:40] <melodie_> ah ?
[13:40] <yofel> melodie_: well, yes
[13:40] <melodie_> though it was 11th
[13:41] <melodie_> Beta1Freeze
[13:41] <yofel> beta1freeze yes, that means nothing dangerous should get into lucid anymore from this point on
[13:41] <JEEBsv> yah
[13:41] <yofel> melodie_: and win7 and lucid: I do have a dual boot setup on my desktop with grub2 in MBR, but win7 tends to destroy grub everytime it installs updates *-.-
[13:42] <Cyberkilla> yofel: I have Vista & Win7 and they never do that.
[13:43] <yofel> Cyberkilla: well, the odd thing is, karmic and vista worked fine, but win7 seems to hate lucid
[13:43] <melodie_> yofel, too bad
[13:43] <melodie_> what about dealing with grub legacy ? does that work ?
[13:43] <Cyberkilla> yofel: Very strange :-O
[13:43] <yofel> hm, but grub2 (1.98) should support installation to partitions again
[13:43] <melodie_> yofel, Cyberkilla do you use grub2 or grub ?
[13:44] <yofel> melodie_: I'm not sure if grub legacy is still supported
[13:44] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: I use GRUB2
[13:44] <melodie_> supported ? well it works well
[13:44] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: GRUB2 is installed in the MBR, but previously I used GRUB1 by installing to a partition and adding a chainloader into Vista's boot manager.
[13:44] <melodie_> I just can't stand this grub2 as it is for now : I like multibooting too much and having this awful screen for multiboot... don't like it.
[13:45] <melodie_> if Vista has a boot manager, maybe Seven does too ?
[13:45] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: It looks alright to me. You can make it look any way you want;)
[13:45] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: Lol, I hope so, or it wouldn't be able to boot itself;) It's pretty much the same BCD thing as Vista.
[13:45] <melodie_> I've gone into the documentations a few days ago, and I gave up
[13:45] <yofel> melodie_: it does, but I haven't yet tried to install grub 1.98 to a partition, as 1.97 didn't support that
[13:46] <melodie_> that was working but I coulnd't find out how to configure a gfxboot
[13:46] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: Have a look at EasyBCD (I think that's the name).
[13:46] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: It lets you configure Vista/Win7's boot manager.
[13:46]  * yofel needs to to installation testing again...
[13:46] <melodie_> Cyberkilla, yes, that's the name, but I have not personnally dealt with it yet.
[13:47] <melodie_> it will be a first time. (feel like formatting the whole  bs... )
[13:47] <Cyberkilla> I'm going 64bit when Lucid final is released:D
[13:47] <melodie_> but I won't flee away from enemy, and will vainquish :!:  XD
[13:48] <melodie_> Cyberkilla, do you think 64bits is less well than i386 while being in testing stages ?
[13:53] <melodie_>  123K/s
[13:53] <melodie_> not very fast : the best we can get here !
[13:53] <melodie_> 94 minutes to go if I keep this rate
[13:53] <melodie_> ...
[13:54] <melodie_> could metalinks be faster ?
[13:54] <melodie_> do someone know how to use metalinks ? aria ? else ? is it difficult to configure ?
[14:08] <melodie_> how to make belief your Ubuntu Lucid is a Windows Seven, with the Compiz effects : http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Win7+Transformation+Pack+for+Ubuntu?content=113909
[14:08] <melodie_> :D
[14:10] <Ian_Corne> ha :p
[14:11] <rsk> the theme is pretty shit thou
[14:11] <rsk> not well made technically
[14:11] <Ian_Corne> oh
[14:11] <Ian_Corne> it looked ok on the pictures
[14:11] <rsk> yea im sure he will show the bugs in the screenshots
[14:11] <rsk> =)
[14:12] <xfact> Ohh, I apologize, I have said lot before updating, Lucid Lynx has it's own unique and iconic look, it's awesome :\
[14:21] <Cyberkilla> I'm not overly keen on the new look as it is currently.
[14:22] <Cyberkilla> But there are some aspects of it that show potential.
[14:22] <melodie_> about the look in Lucid ?
[14:22] <melodie_> for what the Seven theme is concerned, I was joking around
[14:23] <melodie_> fancy a Windows users, who don't notice all the details : wao ! I want this cube in my Windows too ! ;D
[14:25] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: Yeh, with regards to Lucid Lynx. It's a shame, but the fact is, Linux is rather far behind OS X and Windows in terms of modern interfaces.
[14:25] <melodie_> I am not interested in os x, and if the interfaces are all that matter I won't use a computer ;-)
[14:26] <yofel> depends, I find KDE to be quite modern, gnome does look a bit old-school though, let's see what gnome3 brings
[14:26] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: You can't have smooth rounded window borders in Metacity, for instance. The only way to get them is Emerald, but that is unmaintained code now, AFAIK. KDE does have a decent window decorator though (but it's not as mature as GNOME)
[14:26] <melodie_> Cyberkilla, I have been for the first time at a Windows chan a few days ago. I wanted to ask advise about backuping the Windows system, because on netbooks there are not many possibilities, and no dvd is delivered with it
[14:27] <Cyberkilla> It's immaterial whether a person feels the need to make his desktop look pretty. The fact is that it should be possible, and it is a good way to attract the attention of new users.
[14:28] <melodie_> then one told me about Clonezilla, which I used with success since, and just after, a man comes and asks for a soft the get the shaking effects in his Seven : the same shaking effect as in Ubuntu ^^
[14:28] <melodie_> well I told him he can hit his but on the floor. XD
[14:28] <Cyberkilla> :-)
[14:29] <melodie_> where is the officiel website for Emerald theme ?
[14:29] <melodie_> that's why I was having fun fancy Seven theme for Windows in Ubuntu. ;)
[14:29] <melodie_> just let them belief... muhahahahah !!!
[14:30]  * yofel actually likes the win7 panel behaviour and the screen-edge-maximize
[14:31] <melodie_> in a 10,1" screen I didn't notice, and well, Windows get on my nerves, nothing is as good as in gnu/linux there
[14:31] <yofel> the KDE plasma task manager has a partial implementation of that but it could be better
[14:31] <h00k> melodie_: Emerald isn't supported or developed anymore
[14:31] <melodie_> no multi-desktop unless you install virtuawin (which is not as practical as the multi-desktop switches in linux... )
[14:32] <melodie_> h00k, ok. what's new for Compiz ?
[14:32] <melodie_> in Windows no bash shell unless you install it
[14:32] <yofel> melodie_: oh yeah, I DO miss multiple desktops on win XD
[14:33] <melodie_> the Windows 7 starter uses more than 24 go space just for the system and it's first backup
[14:33] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: Windows 7 has PowerShell AFAIK
[14:33] <h00k> melodie_: what's new for Compiz...as far as...what? I suppose I'm not sure what you're adking
[14:33] <melodie_> actually it resized it'self to 40 go for the system, keeps about 20 more for the restore system...
[14:34] <melodie_> h00k, new themes ?
[14:34] <melodie_> no ?
[14:34] <yofel> Cyberkilla: it does, but I haven't used it much yet (but it supports 'ls' now XD)
[14:34] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: Compiz doesn't have themes.
[14:34] <melodie_> I'm not a compiz addict, I'm a light systems addict so I'm not too much aware
[14:34] <melodie_> Cyberkilla, right, I meant themes created for Compiz
[14:35] <melodie_> yofel, in Windows try Virtuawin
[14:35] <h00k> melodie_: compiz isn't a theme manager, are you looking for gnome-themes? If so, gnome-look.org
[14:35] <yofel> melodie_: will do
[14:35] <melodie_> http://virtuawin.sourceforge.net/
[14:35] <melodie_> there is a portable version too at framapack.org
[14:35] <melodie_> (in french)
[14:36] <Cyberkilla> I uninstalled Compiz, to prevent me from faffing about with it. I use Metacity's compositor now. Nice and simple, plus it doesn't need 3D - it uses 2D acceleration.
[14:36] <zniavre> http://techpp.com/2009/02/13/ultimate-collection-ubuntu-themes-visual-styles-for-windows-xp-vista/
[14:36] <melodie_> what does faffing mean ?
[14:36] <melodie_> zniavre, oh ?
[14:36] <Cyberkilla> GNOME Shell is a slow as hell on my computer, even with the nVidia Binary drivers. Compiz is orders of magnitude faster. Can't help but wonder if they're making a bad move adopting all of this pointless glitter.
[14:37] <Cyberkilla> One extreme to the other. It would be nice to have some modern window decorations, but I don't need the entire desktop paradigm to change.
[14:37] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: messing about, essentially.
[14:37] <melodie_> what is going this gnome shell be useful for ? no more panels ?
[14:37] <melodie_> Cyberkilla, ok !
[14:38] <melodie_> not "showing off" ?
[14:38] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: No ;)
[14:38] <melodie_> ok
[14:39] <melodie_> zniavre, that's ubuntu themes to install in Windows. What about reverse side ?
[14:39] <melodie_> Windows themes for Ubuntu ?
[14:39] <h00k> melodie_: you can read more about gnome-shell here: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell
[14:39] <melodie_> h00k, thank you !
[14:40] <zniavre> melodie_, i do not like that but go to gnome-look theur plenty of uggly copy of vista/7 gtk theme
[14:40] <zniavre> thereis*
[14:42] <melodie_> zniavre, lol, ok I get the picture :D
[14:43] <melodie_> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Screenshots
[14:43] <melodie_> h00k, ok !
[14:43] <h00k> melodie_: I think there's also a video around there somewhere
[14:44] <melodie_> one question for Seven dual-booting people : is it ok to resize / delete ntfs partitions with Gparted ? Or will the restore system try to restore the partition and mark it as unknown type or such ?
[14:45] <melodie_> if no one knows it doesn't matter. maybe ubiquity ?
[14:46] <yofel> no idea
[14:46] <melodie_> how did you do your own dual-boot yofel ? did you shrink/or/erase a partition with gparted ?
[14:47]  * melodie_ frightened to erase the devilish os... ;D
[14:47] <h00k> melodie_: sure, you can use gparted to resize ntfs
[14:48] <yofel> melodie_: I dumped vista completely, repartitioned the drive and installed 7 and lucid, so I don't know if resizing is possible
[14:48] <melodie_> h00k, in a Seven os, you think some did it before ?  He installed ubuntu 3 times in a row : Vista recovery solution always erased it !
[14:50] <h00k> heh. are you surprised? I've seen some Windows Security software overwrite grub2 without checking for prior data. Is this what you're referring to?
[14:50] <melodie_> we could not destroy the recovery partition because of the garantee, so
[14:50] <melodie_> no
[14:50] <melodie_> it was ahem
[14:51] <melodie_> the recovery partition that was erasing the ext4 partition and marking it as hum... some sort of unknow fs
[14:51] <yofel> h00k: win7 actually does write crap into the MBR here every time it installs updates, grub2 tries to start and then my pc resets
[14:51] <melodie_> with a special label
[14:51] <melodie_> yofel, I see...
[14:52] <h00k> yofel: It isn't windows7 by default, I believe, rather some security software like antiviruses or backup solutions do that. I could be wrong, however.
[14:52] <melodie_> Windows Seven, the enemy of your dual-boots ! :-(
[14:52] <yofel> need to boot a live disk, chroot and reinstall grub2 to get anything to boot again
[14:52] <melodie_> great joy !
[14:52] <yofel> h00k: *might* be, I'll try to disable it next time and see
[14:52] <melodie_> what about a partition dedicated only for boot ?
[14:52] <melodie_> that could be a solution ?
[14:52] <yofel> melodie_: that doesn't help if you install grub2 into the MBR
[14:53] <yofel> or...
[14:53] <h00k> yofel: I've seen it work just fine, even after Windows Updates, and it was caused by a third-party software
[14:53] <melodie_> I suggested to a partition dedicated to boo
[14:53] <melodie_> boot
[14:53] <yofel> ah, whatever, It's impossible to create /boot on sda1 now anyway
[14:53] <yofel> h00k: ok, then I'll look further in that direction, thx
[14:54] <melodie_> yofel, I think if it's on a primary partition it should be ok, but I don't quite remember the doc I read about it, some time ago. that's somewhere there in the web
[14:55] <melodie_> ok stop shivering, I go and get a ext4 out of this hard drive !
[14:55] <melodie_> ;)
[14:55] <melodie_> thks to all, bbl
[15:07] <xfact> Ubuntu lucid lynx is good and not doing much major problems, I am discovering is so hardly and I will keep doing till Beta 1, if I like the performance, then I may install it on my PC for mainstream works
[15:07]  * BUGabundo_remote found the MOST stupid OOo bug EVER
[15:08] <BUGabundo_remote> humm who was our OOo guy?
[15:08] <BUGabundo_remote> ogra?
[15:08] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: around?
[15:08] <BUGabundo_remote> open OOo write, press F11 to open style list
[15:09] <BUGabundo_remote> is it ordered Heading 1, Heading 10, Heading 2, Heading N-9,
[15:09] <BUGabundo_remote> ?
[15:10] <h00k> sure, what's wrong with that?
[15:10] <Ian_Corne> It's wrong :p
[15:10] <h00k> if it's sorting by value, I can understand it ordering that way
[15:10] <h00k> er, 1, 10, 2, 3, etc
[15:11] <h00k> but I can also understand it should be heading 1,2,3,4...10
[15:14] <throughnothing> are empathy sounds not working in lucid for anone else?
[15:14] <throughnothing> i cant get empathy to play any sounds
[15:17] <melodie_> throughnothing, what if you kill pulseaudio ?
[15:18] <throughnothing> melodie_, how do i d
[15:18] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: back
[15:19] <throughnothing> melodie_, i kil it but it starts right abck up again, and still no sounds from empathy
[15:19] <cwillu> it's wrong, but non trivial to get right
[15:20] <cwillu> about ten lines of python, so maybe a couple hundred lines of c to sort it right :)
[15:20] <cwillu> assuming that they don't have such a routine handy already
[15:23] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu h00k Ian_Corne still its WRONG.. I'll report it latter
[15:23] <BUGabundo_remote> I got to beaf up , before heading there
[15:24] <BUGabundo_remote> OOo BTS is _as_ bad as pidgin one :S
[15:24] <h00k> I'm not sure what you just said.
[15:24] <cwillu> BUGabundo_remote, sort on letters as letters, numbers as numbers, each contiguous stretch of which counts as a single token, which is then sorted number-block before letter-block
[15:24] <cwillu> and god help you if you use unicode :)
[15:25] <cwillu> also worth mentioning that not every region/language sorts such things the same way
[15:25] <cwillu> and I'm not sure if c's locale stuff handles the sorting in the way you'd like
[15:26] <tgpraveen12> hmm my tooltips now have a black bg
[15:26] <cwillu> in which case it's not really an ooo bug, but in the localization libs
[15:26]  * BUGabundo_remote opens ubuntu-bu and OOo page
[15:26] <tgpraveen12> anyone else in same boat?
[15:26] <cwillu> which... makes this not fun :)
[15:26] <BUGabundo_remote> ohhhh cwillu
[15:26] <BUGabundo_remote> don't trick me!
[15:26] <cwillu> (hi) :)
[15:26] <BUGabundo_remote> (me goes testing in WinXP
[15:26] <cwillu> I'm not kidding by the way :p
[15:27] <BUGabundo_remote> Same
[15:27] <cwillu> if xp works, you'd still need to figure out if it was because xp's localization sort ordering handles it, or if it's special cased and not working for some reason under linux
[15:27] <BUGabundo_remote> you can make your comments in OOo BTS
[15:27] <cwillu> hmm;  you can re-order those can't you?  i.e., explicitly order them?
[15:27] <BUGabundo_remote> hum
[15:27] <BUGabundo_remote> let me try
[15:28] <BUGabundo_remote> I can not
[15:28] <robin0800> tgpraveen12: mine are translucent and purple with white writing
[15:28] <h00k> BTS as in...Bureau of Transportation Statistics?
[15:28] <tgpraveen12> robin0800: hmm :-(
[15:28] <tgpraveen12> mine have black bg with both radiance and ambiance
[15:28] <BUGabundo_remote> h00k: Bug Track System
[15:28] <cwillu> okay
[15:29] <cwillu> that'd actually be a good approach, just allow the user to put them in any order they want, and pre-order the default templates :)
[15:30] <robin0800> tgpraveen12: actually some are black those in the notification tray that must be a bug not reading theme info
[15:30] <bjsnider> Cyberkilla, there is either an nvidia issue with gnome-shell or a gnome-shell issue with nvidia, because it works fine on intel chips
[15:31] <tgpraveen12> robin0800: i have black everywhere. in chromium,menu items, notification area
[15:31] <tgpraveen12> etc
[15:31] <h00k> I'm not sure how you'd order those as they're not all numbers and they're not all characters.
[15:31] <cwillu> h00k, punctuation and whitespace would form a third class
[15:31] <tgpraveen12> vish: has the tooltip background colour been changed to black from purple?
[15:31] <h00k> ^ that, yeah.
[15:32] <vish> tgpraveen12: idk
[15:32] <cwillu> you could probably just sort them with the letters, although care would have to be taken for locales that used , vs . as the decimal point, as well as decimal groupings (which should be irrelevant from a sort standpoint)
[15:33] <robin0800> tgpraveen12: actually i'm wrong its only the added tray icons from quassel and songbird that are wrong
[15:36] <ebischoff> yofel : problem solved
[15:36] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/537433e/op!
[15:36] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/537433e/
[15:36] <BUGabundo_remote> bug is here, sending upstream
[15:36] <BUGabundo_remote> please comment UPSTREAM only
[15:36] <h00k> There’s no page with this address in Launchpad.
[15:37] <BUGabundo_remote> stupid pidgin
[15:37] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/537433
[15:37] <BUGabundo_remote> it leave chars in paste buffer
[15:37] <BUGabundo_remote> go figure
[15:37] <h00k> ahha, trailing slash.
[15:38] <yofel> ebischoff: what was it?
[15:38] <ebischoff> for those interested : problem was a KDE black screen. Cause was that package "plasma-desktop" disappeared during this morning's online update of lucid. Reinstalling plasma-desktop solved the problem.
[15:38] <bjsnider> eric bischoff runs linux? cool
[15:38] <bjsnider> nwo 4 life
[15:39] <ebischoff> it's not me, it's the other eric bischoff ;-)
[15:39] <bjsnider> oh, it's the _other_ eric bischoff
[15:39] <bjsnider> likely story
[15:40] <ebischoff> i have much smaller arms and much bigger brain ;-)
[15:40] <ebischoff> but yes we share the same name
[15:40] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/528473 <- is the installer not being full screen normal?
[15:41] <ebischoff> bye everyone, thanks again yofel, thanks folks for all the great work on ubuntu lucid
[15:42] <BUGabundo_remote> stupid OOo BTS doesn't allow me to use my secure password. no wonder I couldn't login
[15:44] <yofel> ikt: it should be full screen on the netbook edition
[15:45] <BUGabundo_remote> bah
[15:45] <BUGabundo_remote> even there BTS is not sorted properly
[15:46] <ebischoff> ah, btw, there's a problem with kivio. Package is in ubuntu's package lists, but not on the update servers, so apt-get install kivio fails.
[15:47] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_Corne: yofel: h00k: cwillu: filed upstream http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=110056
[15:48] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu mind adding your comments there?
[15:49] <BUGabundo_remote> or you rather have me copy them there?
[15:49] <cwillu> If you don't mind copying them
[15:49] <yofel> ebischoff: kivio doesn't seem to be in the lucid repos
[15:50] <cwillu> Summary is probably wrong;  the problem is that it _doesn't_ sort numbers numerically
[15:51] <cwillu> (sorry, tail end of a 20 hour day)
[15:51] <cwillu> waiting for an email to say that a job is done so I can either go to bed, or fix it and _then_ go to bed
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> np friend cwillu
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> some one mind confirming thsat bug at LP ? thanks
[15:56] <ikt> yofel: it was full screen in karmic for both normal and une, is there a change inc for normal?
[15:56] <yofel> no idea, but if it was fine in karmic then tag the bug with regression-potential
[15:56] <ikt> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-1004-live-cd-installer-gets.html <- http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/S5bUO1CltbI/AAAAAAAAGeI/tBL4fS--7q8/s1600-h/image[20].png
[15:56] <ikt> shows it as not full screen either
[15:58] <yofel> that reminds me, we do have a ubiquity hugday today, but noone seems to work on it
[15:58] <duffydack> I just tried a current daily live and there is now no sound where my sound was detected find before.., and the blank screen just before login bug is still there for me..
[15:59] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu comments added. hope I manage to transmit your idea :S
[15:59] <ikt> yofel: :< I'm working on it :P
[15:59] <duffydack> I should install it again properly... maybe when I get my laptop back.
[15:59] <BUGabundo_remote> DOH
[15:59] <cwillu> I hope my idea was worth transmitting :)
[15:59] <BUGabundo_remote> marked as DUPE
[15:59] <yofel> ikt: i mean, the wiki page doesn't show much progress yet ;P (I'll join too later)
[16:00] <BUGabundo_remote> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=13141
[16:00] <cwillu> that was quick :)
[16:01] <BUGabundo_remote> ahah LP bug found
[16:01] <BUGabundo_remote> I should stop
[16:01] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm maxing out my bug quota today ahah
[16:01] <cwillu> BUGabundo_remote, natsort (mentioned in the dup) would seem to be exactly the thing I was suggesting
[16:01] <ikt> yofel: yeah I noticed that as well
[16:02] <BUGabundo_remote> OH S***
[16:02] <BUGabundo_remote> Opened: Mon Apr 7 21:05:00 +0000 2003
[16:02] <BUGabundo_remote> that's NEVER gonna be fixed :(
[16:02] <h00k> BUGabundo_remote: obfuscated swearing is still swearing, please keep it family friendly :)
[16:03] <BUGabundo_remote> sorry
[16:03] <cwillu> yay, build finished mostly successfully!
[16:04]  * cwillu goes to bed
[16:04] <Cyberkilla> bbl
[16:04] <woRg> hi anyone trying Lucid with Intel i810 graphics? got X working?
[16:07] <jimlovell777> I have two stuck updates, parted and udisks. Is it okay to force the update ad install them?
[16:08] <jimlovell777> They show up in the update manager but are greyed out and have persisted through several update cycles.
[16:12] <woRg> if they're not critical on the system there shouldn't be much problem, but allways it's safer to upfrade without stuck updates
[16:13] <woRg> jimlovell777: and as you say if it's only parted and udisks, both aren't critical
[16:13] <BUGabundo_remote> jimlovell777: yeah  gparted libs been broken for a week
[16:13] <BUGabundo_remote> DON'T upgrade them
[16:15] <MichaelKohler> I updated to Lucid and now I get a `error 15: file not found` when booting.. i already tried to do grub-install, but that didn't help. what could I do?
[16:16] <jimlovell777> A forum search finally turned up results. It seems that install libparted0 resolves the issue. Worked for me just now. Not sure if it's the proper solution though
[16:17] <stefanlsd> How do i disable noveua and use the propietry nvida driver?
[16:18] <jimlovell777> BUGabundo_remote: I was already installing libparted0 when you responded, It can cause anything short of file corruption and I'll be fine. I don't intend to use udisk, parted, gparted, etc... again on this install.
[16:21] <BUGabundo_remote> stefanlsd: open hardware dfridrivers manager and TICK nivida blob
[16:22] <BUGabundo_remote> jimerickson: read what MichaelKohler wrote above !
[16:24] <stefanlsd> BUGabundo_remote: you mean the system / hardware drivers?
[16:24] <BUGabundo_remote> yes
[16:24] <stefanlsd> BUGabundo_remote: dont think that works, will try again.
[16:25] <stefanlsd> BUGabundo_remote: it tries to load the nvidia driver, but the noveua frame buffer stuff has locked the device, and the module doesnt load (i have the nvidia-current module)
[16:29] <BUGabundo_remote> stefanlsd: ask in #ubuntu-x
[16:32] <Damascene> hello, does any one have problem in evolution when trying to undo some type?
[16:37] <bjsnider> opengl 4.0 spec has been released
[16:37] <aboSamoor> Hi, I am trying to install lucid from usb disk. I am having problem that blkid is taking 100% CPU for long time without result. My HDD is 250 GB
[16:44] <aboSamoor> can anyone help me with this installer problem ?
[16:46] <Tscheesy> install in text mode? Lucid is still alpha and should be used only by experienced users who can handle probs
[16:50] <arand> aboSamoor: What happens if you run blkid by itself?
[16:52] <aboSamoor> arand, I restarted the machine and it now does not run again while running the installer.
[16:53] <aboSamoor> arand, now, I am facing another problem that once I choose the manual partitioning  ubi-partman exits with 141 code
[16:54] <melodie_> throughnothing, you won't kill pulseaudio because it's a demon. you must stop it : sudo service pulseaudio stop
[16:55] <arand> aboSamoor: Well, I don't really know, the only thing I can say is report bugs, and maybe try with the alpha, which is a bit more tested as far as the installer goes.
[16:56] <yofel> melodie_: it's not a system service anymore (by default at least) but started by user sessions
[16:56] <throughnothing> melodie_, oops, does empathy not work with pulseaudio ? that seems kinda silly
[16:56] <yofel> so you have to kill pulseaudio if you want to restart it
[16:56] <melodie_> yofel, is that so ? thus how do you manage it ?
[16:57] <Cyberkilla> bk
[16:57] <throughnothing> yofel, yes thats what i've noticed....how can i stop it completely without it respawning itself?
[16:57] <melodie_> throughnothing, that's a possible issue : just test
[16:57] <yofel> throughnothing: not sure, pulseaudio --kill maybe
[16:57] <melodie_> throughnothing, do : sudo killall pulseaudio
[16:57] <throughnothing> yofel, hmm still seems to respawn
[16:57] <throughnothing> melodie_, i do that and its just running again right after with a new pid
[16:58] <yofel> yep, it's set to respawn again, don't know how to change that
[16:58] <melodie_> install htop program start it in console and try to see what processes pulseaudio uses
[16:58] <yofel> throughnothing: why do you want to stop it anyway? you don't want sound?
[16:58] <melodie_> you can start htop as root as well and use it to terminate processes
[16:58] <yofel> melodie_: just about anything gnome related
[16:59] <throughnothing> yofel, well empathy sounds are not working, so i wanted to see if they would work without pulseaudio running
[16:59] <throughnothing> yofel, do empathy sounds work for u in lucid?
[16:59] <yofel> throughnothing: I don't even use gnome and empathy neither
[16:59] <melodie_> yofel, he wants to get sound in empathy, and I believe if he can't it may be related with other sound app such as pulseaudio
[17:00] <yofel> melodie_: well, the problem is that pulse is the only audio backend gnome supports today, so if you remove it have fun to get any sound working
[17:01] <yofel> I personally use pulse here in KDE fine too (need to have pavucontrol to control it though)
[17:01] <throughnothing> yofel, yes i have that
[17:01] <throughnothing> the interesting thing is if i open the pulse volume control and then send myself a message to empathy
[17:01] <melodie_> yofel, what about Alsa ?
[17:01] <throughnothing> I see "libcanberra" show up for a second with a telepathy/empathy icon an then go away
[17:02] <yofel> melodie_: alsa is still used for the hardware output, but gnome can't use alsa directly anymore
[17:02] <melodie_> throughnothing, start empathy from a command line as user, and see what the messages give, and also after, see the last message lines in /var/log/messages file
[17:03] <melodie_> throughnothing, is there a group you should belong to to use empathy and maybe you're missing it ?
[17:03] <yofel> melodie_: the gnome sound architecture was pretty much completely rewritten for better pulseaudio integration
[17:03] <throughnothing> melodie_, it could be, im not sure, pretty sure i've added myself to @audio group
[17:03] <melodie_> yofel, ok !
[17:03] <yofel> why would one need a group for empathy o.O? that's a IM app...
[17:04] <melodie_> throughnothing, check with the command "id" with no argument*
[17:04] <melodie_> yofel, allright
[17:04] <throughnothing> yeah im a member of teh audio group
[17:04] <throughnothing> i'll try running it from the command line in a minute
[17:04]  * yofel finds 'groups' less cluttered
[17:04] <throughnothing> and seeing what i see
[17:05] <Ian_Corne> *** glibc detected *** aptitude: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x09d95fc8 ***
[17:06] <Ian_Corne> :(
[17:09] <Cyberkilla> Ian_Corne: I had that error too, when i tried to do a safe upgrade. the first time in ages that I'd used aptitude too. Nothing bad came of it, so far..
[17:09] <Ian_Corne> same
[17:09] <tamran> howdy all, I've just intalled the 10.04 upgrade and I can't seem to log in with the gdm session manager
[17:10] <yofel> Ian_Corne: use aptitude -q to get it work
[17:10] <Cyberkilla> tamran: What happens?
[17:10] <tamran> if I log in, it just kicks me back to the login prompt over and over again
[17:10] <tamran> probably a gdm setting somewhere?
[17:10] <Cyberkilla> Hmm, there is a bug that makes it happen twice, but i don't know of anyone recently complaining of it constantly looping.
[17:10] <melodie_> is 8 Go enough for Lucid ? system and space to get updates and a few more applications : as a 64bits ?
[17:11] <throughnothing> tamran, i have the same problem but its only twice as Cyberkilla noted....it kickse me off twice then I can log in fine
[17:11] <tamran> I did it 4 times
[17:11] <throughnothing> Also though, when I suspend my computer, it resumes at the gdm screen with my session that I was logged in as kiled
[17:11] <tamran> now I'm back in the command prompt using irssi
[17:11] <Cyberkilla> I had that with the nVidia proprietary drivers recently. I've switched to Nouveau in the meantime.
[17:11] <throughnothing> tamran, what if you kill gdm and start it manually?
[17:12] <tamran> I have just a standard install
[17:12] <Cyberkilla> tamran: irssi > *
[17:12] <throughnothing> Cyberkilla, the session killing thing during suspend?
[17:12] <Cyberkilla> throughnothing: Yes, it actually dies BEFORE the suspend happens, as I heard the little drum roll.
[17:12] <tamran> also, I can't seem to get back to my X session ... when I do alt-F7 it just shows a black window.
[17:12] <throughnothing> Cyberkilla, ahh, interesting, im using non-proprietary intel drivers on my computer
[17:12] <melodie_> what about disk space please ?
[17:12] <Cyberkilla> throughnothing: When you resume, you eventually end up in the GDM screen. Hmm, I don't have an Intel card to test it on.
[17:13] <tamran> oops, I found it, it's alt-F8
[17:13] <throughnothing> Cyberkilla, yeah thats what happens to me, only started in the past few days
[17:13] <Cyberkilla> tamran, try sudo stop gdm && sudo start gdm
[17:13] <Cyberkilla> in a tty
[17:13] <Cyberkilla> might start it up again
[17:13] <tamran> Cyberkilla: ok
[17:13] <Cyberkilla> if not, I'd edit xorg.conf and set it to the vesa driver or something (just to see if it's the graphics driver)
[17:14] <melodie_> I think there is no xorg.conf Cyberkilla unless you create one
[17:14] <melodie_> I did create one several times when I tested alpha 1 and following
[17:15] <Cyberkilla> tamran: Really? Sorry about that. I thought everyone had a really sparse one. It's probably because I've been upgrading since intrepid
[17:15] <Cyberkilla> *I meant melodie_
[17:15] <tamran> Cyberkilla: well, restarting gdm didn't do nice things ... just an fyi, when I tried to log in in GDM it shows nothing for the session dropdown, and I should have both xfce4 and gnome installed
[17:15] <melodie_> right
[17:15] <tamran> Cyberkilla: no worries :)
[17:16] <melodie_> tamran, what about uninstalling with --purge and reinstalling gdm ?
[17:16] <melodie_> Cyberkilla, is 8 Go enough for Lucid system ?
[17:16] <tamran> melodie_: so, apt-get --purge gdm?
[17:16] <melodie_> sudo apt-get remove --purge gdm
[17:16] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: That's kinda dangerous. A reinstall is less hassle.
[17:16] <yofel> tamran: I would rather try to purge plymouth and see if it fixes your issue
[17:17] <melodie_> except if you see that it will uninstall half of the system, but until now it has not
[17:17] <yofel> many of the current boot/X issues are plymouth related...
[17:17] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: I think you do something like apt-get --reinstall install gdm, but I'm not sure.
[17:17] <melodie_> well never know
[17:17] <melodie_> Cyberkilla,
[17:17] <melodie_> you can do:
[17:18] <melodie_> sudo apt-get install gdm --reinstall as you say, but if there is a file that's crummy somewhere it will still be there. so uninstalling it if it doesn't menace to break it all, is better
[17:18] <Cyberkilla> melodie_: I did that, but deleted /var/lib/gdm first:P Naughty, I'm sure.
[17:22] <throughnothing> melodie_, only thing i get when running empathy from the command line is this: empathy:13826): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[17:24] <masu3701> is Lucid Lynx out there to try yet?
[17:24] <arand> !lucid
[17:25] <arand> masu3701: Yes, alpha3 is downloadable, or daily builds
[17:25] <throughnothing> melodie_, i found this forum thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1194501  that says you need to install sound-themes-freedesktop package to get the sounds that empathy uses by default
[17:25] <throughnothing> melodie_, may be a bug that this package should be installed by default
[17:25] <masu3701> alpha3 is the beta of 10.4 ?
[17:25] <throughnothing> im gonna see if that works now
[17:26] <arand> masu3701: Nope not yet, release schedule is in the topic
[17:27] <tamran> ok, I uninstalled, then reinstalled gdm which fixes everything EXCEPT gnome sessino is no longer an option.  So, I'm stuck with either xfce or xterm sessions
[17:27] <tamran> this is all OK I guess, since I wanted xfce anyway
[17:27] <tamran> but something strange is definitely going on
[17:27] <tamran> is this a known bug/issue?
[17:28] <tamran> I can look at the bugzilla but I'm about to head to school
[17:28] <Cyberkilla> tamran: It isn't one I've seen in the Lucid forums so far.
[17:28] <masu3701> so can i install lucid lynx alpha 3 from the update manager?
[17:29] <tamran> this is a straight 10.04 install with xfce4 installed (other than that, plain)
[17:29] <yofel> masu3701: sure, if you run it as 'update-manager -d' but you should wait for the beta unless you know what you're doing
[17:29] <tamran> meaning, regular ubuntu + xfce4 added ... I wonder if xfce4 is conflicting somehow?
[17:30] <tamran> silly question, what is the command to make compiz active in xfce?
[17:30]  * tamran needs his expose feature
[17:30] <charlie-tca> You have to install compiz
[17:31] <Cyberkilla> tamran: compiz --replace &
[17:31] <tamran> ahh, right.  Thanks Cyberkilla :)
[17:32] <Cyberkilla> tamran: np. I assume it's he same command as in GNOME. It's doing the exact same thing.
[17:32] <throughnothing> empathy sounds definitely appears to be an issues where the sound files do not exist by default
[17:32] <throughnothing> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/400485
[17:32] <tamran> hmm, it doesn't seem to want to work though
[17:33] <Cyberkilla> tamran: how so?
[17:33] <melodie_> throughnothing, I had seen that at some time : sound-themes-freedesktop but I would not have thought about it
[17:33] <tamran> well, it works until I close the terminal window
[17:33] <tamran> then it reverts
[17:33] <masu3701> yofel: ok i will wait
[17:33] <Cyberkilla> tamran: Press CTRL+D
[17:33] <throughnothing> melodie_, well i installed it and i restarted empathy, and still no sound for me...then i changed my default sound theme to "default" from "ubuntu" and still no sounds
[17:33] <Cyberkilla> enter the command, press enter than CTRL+D
[17:33] <throughnothing> melodie_, so i'm still not quite sure, though that does seem to be an issue
[17:33] <melodie_> throughnothing, would you consider writing a bug report ? empathy is installed by default so I think you would be right to do so
[17:33] <tamran> err, wait I apologize, it's working
[17:33] <Cyberkilla> tamran: that detaches it from the terminal
[17:34] <tamran> Cyberkilla: I originally did it in the alt-f2 menu
[17:34] <melodie_> throughnothing, would you join the people at that thread to give your feedback
[17:34] <throughnothing> melodie_, im definitely up for filing a report, im just not sure if that was my only issue yet, still no sound working
[17:34] <melodie_> ?
[17:34] <tamran> it's workign now
[17:34] <throughnothing> melodie_, sure
[17:34] <melodie_> throughnothing, otherwise do the sound play in other apps ?
[17:35] <throughnothing> melodie_, everything else works fine...totem, vlc, rhythmbox, firefox/flash
[17:36] <vanishing> hi guys
[17:36] <vanishing> i ran into this init problem yesterday
[17:36] <yofel> hm, when exactly is sound supposed to work in empathy, just tried it out and I get no sound either
[17:37] <melodie_> throughnothing, so...
[17:37] <tamran> ok, xfce is workign well now
[17:37] <tamran> yay
[17:37] <melodie_> throughnothing, what when you start empathy from a console ? no message ?
[17:37] <throughnothing> yofel, a good way to test is to enable the sound when accounts disconnect/connect, that way you can just turn on and off an account and try to get a sound....or if you have 2 im accounts you can im yourself from one to the other
[17:37] <throughnothing> melodie_, nothing really relating to sounds
[17:37] <vanishing> basicly theres a bunch of updates, and i took them, upon restart, i got a bunch of init: blabla main process ended, respawning in tty7
[17:37] <melodie_> paste it to pastebin ?
[17:37] <Damascene> is there any problem with evolution not being able to make undo?
[17:38] <yofel> throughnothing: well, i enabled all sound notifications empathy has and it stays silent
[17:38] <throughnothing> melodie_, i subscribed to that bug and added my comment though, so we'll see what happens, others on there said they have the same issue in lucid
[17:38] <throughnothing> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/400485/comments/38
[17:38] <vanishing> cannot even get to gdm
[17:38] <vanishing> any thoughts?
[17:38] <throughnothing> yofel, yup, same with me....seems like a big issue as empathy is now the default IM client and installed by default
[17:39] <melodie_> throughnothing, well done !
[17:39] <yofel> vanishing: er... *which* process is respawned all the time? and what graphics card do you have? and can you get to a tty with alt+f1?
[17:39] <Damascene>  can some one try to write a message in evolution then try to undo some of his writing
[17:40] <vanishing> yofel: a bunch of them, like upstart-udev-bridge, udev, rsyslog, cupid, dmesg etcetc...
[17:40] <Bittarman> Damascene, works fine
[17:40] <vanishing> yofel: i have both intel and ati, both have the same issue
[17:40] <yofel> vanishing: o.O that's bad...
[17:40] <Damascene> Bittarman, using ctrl +Z
[17:41] <vanishing> yofel: yes i can get a tty with control alt f1, and i can login and startx
[17:41] <Bittarman> Damascene, yep, and the button
[17:41] <yofel> vanishing: really? and if you try to (re)start gdm?
[17:41] <vanishing> yofel: sometimes i can do /etc/init.d/networking start and /etc/init.d/network-manager start to get network
[17:41] <vanishing> yofel: restart gdm?
[17:42] <Damascene> works now with me
[17:42] <yofel> vanishing: 'sudo restart gdm' that should try to restart the gdm service, (or 'sudo start gdm' if gdm isn't started yet)
[17:42] <vanishing> yofel: should i try it now?
[17:43] <yofel> vanishing: can you see in some log where init start failing?
[17:43] <yofel> /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog maybe
[17:43] <vanishing> yofel: ugh...which one?
[17:43] <vanishing> k
[17:43] <vanishing> 1 sec
[17:46] <vanishing> yofel: the only error message in syslog is :
[17:46] <vanishing> yofel: Mar 11 12:18:15 Vanishing x-session-manager[1721]: WARNING: Could not parse desktop file /home/vanishing/.config/autostart/gnome-power-manager.desktop: Key file does not have key 'Type'
[17:47] <vanishing> yofel: and a Mar 11 12:17:31 Vanishing NetworkManager: supplicant_interface_acquire: assertion `mgr_state == NM_SUPPLICANT_MANAGER_STATE_IDLE' failed
[17:48] <yofel> hm
[17:48] <yofel> no idea then, I'm not that good at debugging upstart :/ anyone else?
[17:49] <vanishing> sigh...
[17:50] <vanishing> guys
[17:50] <vanishing> please help me with this problem:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1427281
[17:51] <rye> vanishing, it looks like your processes are failing for some reason
[17:52] <vanishing> rye: yea....but why..
[17:52] <rye> vanishing, anything in dmesg ?
[17:52] <rye> vanishing, I mean some segfault info?
[17:52] <vanishing> rye: there was some initscripts updates yesterday
[17:52] <vanishing> rye: 1 sec, let me check it out
[17:53] <rye> vanishing, you may want to try running e.g. cron directly, /usr/sbin/cron -f - and see whether it fails. If it is not, then there is something wrong with your init scripts/upstart, etc.
[17:54] <vanishing> yofel: nope...nothing in dmesg
[17:55] <yofel> hm, that update would have been: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/2.87dsf-4ubuntu15
[17:55] <vanishing> yofel: yes
[17:55] <yofel> but it boots fine here o.O
[17:55] <vanishing> rye: as far as i know, i can run networking and network-manager manually without problem...
[17:55] <vanishing> yofel: yea...
[17:56] <rye> yofel, vanishing the diff looks ok to me, and that will be run on shutdown
[17:56] <rye> not dring startup
[17:56] <vanishing> yofel: the thing is, i downgraded that packages, but still the same errors
[17:56] <vanishing> rye: do you want my logs?
[17:57] <yofel> ok, then it's not the fault of the initscripts package
[17:57] <rye> vanishing, the thing is that I don't really know how to make upstart be verbose...
[17:57] <vanishing> rye: oh..
[17:57] <rye> 'cause there's something wrong with the startup procedure
[17:57] <vanishing> rye: do i want this? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging
[17:57] <yofel> vanishing: do you know which packages you upgraded since it booted fine the last time?
[17:58] <vanishing> yofel: a lot of them..
[17:58] <vanishing> yofel: but i downgraded most of the suspicious ones
[17:58] <yofel> vanishing: well, do you know the last time you booted fine? you can check the dpkg log for the package names
[17:58] <yofel> oh, hm
[17:58] <vanishing> yofel: let me post them in pastebin
[18:00] <vanishing> yofel: this: http://paste.debian.net/63735
[18:01] <vanishing> yofel: but it seems everybody else using karmic dont have this issue...
[18:01] <vanishing> yofel: i meant lucid
[18:02] <Cyberkilla> I have tons of logs missing. A fresh install has boot.log, among other things. I have none of that.:O
[18:02] <Cyberkilla> I have: Xorg.0.log, auth.log, daemon.log, debug, kern.log, messages, syslog, user.log.
[18:02] <Cyberkilla> Am I missing any?
[18:03] <Cyberkilla> *I _seem_ to have..
[18:04] <vanishing> Cyberkilla: doesnt seem like you miss anything...o.o
[18:04] <yofel> err... that depends on your installation I think, I have optional stuff like  jockey.log kdm.log pm-suspend.log ... here
[18:04] <Volkodav> What packages are needed for Personal File Sharing ?  It is greyed out
[18:05] <Cyberkilla> vanishing, yofel: Thanks. I'm sure I'm missing boot.log. There must be a thread on it somewhere.
[18:05] <vanishing> Cyberkilla: boot? i dont have boot.log, only boot
[18:05] <vanishing> yofel: anything seem suspicious in that update log?
[18:06] <yofel> Cyberkilla: I don't have that either, only an empty 'boot' file
[18:06] <yofel> vanishing: nothing I can think of... this is odd
[18:06] <Cyberkilla> yofel: Weird, at least I'm not the only one. Looks like redhat disabled it in fedora. Perhaps ubuntu did a similar thing.
[18:07] <yofel> Cyberkilla: what's that supposed to contain anyways?
[18:08] <Cyberkilla> yofel: I can only assume it's supposed to contain all of the messages from when the computer booted. dmesg does that though, i suppose.
[18:08] <yofel> Cyberkilla: we do have the kern.log syslog for that...
[18:09] <yofel> where kern.log is essentially what dmesg outputs
[18:09] <vanishing> this is fraustrating......
[18:18] <vanishing> yofel: could you send me your /etc/grub.d/00_header and /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme files?
[18:21] <yofel> 00_header: http://yofel.pastebin.com/NT8tzjZM | 05_debian_theme: http://yofel.pastebin.com/buNsZKtL
[18:21] <yofel> vanishing: ^
[18:21] <yofel> I disabled the theme wallpaper though
[18:23] <vanishing> yofel: thanks a lot
[18:31] <djr13> i'm getting a gpu lockup with nouveau and a nv18 card...any ideas/way to report?
[18:33] <djr13> i tried #nouveau but no response.....
[18:42] <djr13> even tried different combinations of kernels and nouveau versions (such as xorg-edgers)
[18:43] <vanishing> anyone know how to solve startup init: main process ended, respawning issue?
[18:49] <djr13> any ideas what might be causing nouveau gpu lockups with a nv18 card?
[18:50] <djr13> works great with nv17...
[18:51] <Volkodav>  I have samba installed but file sharing still greyed out saying I do not have all packages installed ? What else does it need ?
[18:51] <melodie_> todays lucid : ubiquity fails with code error same as before
[18:51] <melodie_> I'll try to debug later with the command line cjwatson gave me on a bug report
[18:52] <djr13> with nv18 X freezes under anything gpu-dependent (except video? :/ )
[18:52] <red> sudo apt-get install libmp3lame
[18:52] <melodie_> Bug 525081
[18:52] <red> -> couldn't find package libmp3lame
[18:52] <red> ? :(
[18:53] <melodie_> I got the same, in a netbook
[18:54] <melodie_> nice purple color release by the way
[18:54] <djr13> Volkodav: hmm forgot exactly what it's called...maybe something like libpam-smbpass
[18:54] <djr13> is that installed?
[18:54] <Volkodav> let me check
[18:56] <Volkodav> pluggable authentication module for Samba
[18:56] <Volkodav> installing now
[18:56] <Volkodav> see if it helps
[18:56] <Volkodav> nope
[18:57] <Volkodav> still greyed out
[18:57] <Volkodav> may need to restart samba though
[18:57] <adebarbara> Hi I just upgrade my notebook to lucid and my user has no sound after I log in gdm
[18:57] <adebarbara> a new user has sound
[18:58] <djr13> Volkodav: hmm...i remember Ubuntu would try to install the needed packages automatically when trying to enable sharing for the first time in Nautilus, haven't tried it for a while though
[18:59] <djr13> adebarbara: I would guess something related to that user's pulseaudio settings...again that's a guess
[19:00] <adebarbara> djr13, I remove .pulse from my user and nothing happen. Do you know where the pulse preference are?
[19:01] <djr13> adebarbara: actually that would have been my guess
[19:01] <adebarbara> :)
[19:02] <djr13> or maybe there's another pulse-related config floating around somewhere...
[19:03] <dbell> Hi, got a problem with lucid on my laptop (running it fine on desktop). When I'm booting up into lucid and the slash goes away, I hear the sound that happens when the login screen appears, but don't see the login screen. Only my mouse cursor and a "prompt" only best way to explain that: flashing underscore at the top left. When I press enter it loads the login so I can proceed. Any ideas why?
[19:03] <lenios> dbell, try ctrl+alt+F7
[19:04] <dbell> holding pressing ctrl and alt is putting text at top left of screen where the _ was
[19:04] <dbell> (and nothing happens on that keypress)
[19:07] <djr13> adebarbara: nothing at all has sound? what if you try to push it straight to alsa?
[19:09] <djr13> adebarbara: oh and after deleting .pulse, did you log out/on?
[19:11] <djr13> Volkodav: any luck after restarting samba?
[19:14] <adebarbara> djr13, I remove .pulse and logout/login
[19:14] <adebarbara> djr13, anyway I purge pulseaudio and reinstall
[19:15] <adebarbara> now is working
[19:15] <adebarbara> thanks
[19:15] <vanishing> djr13: hey man..do you know anything about init: <package name> main process ended, respawning issue when booting up?
[19:16] <djr13> adebarbara: cool, not sure what would have caused that in pulse system settings that wouldn't affect every user...
[19:18] <djr13> vanishing: sorry, can't think of anything (don't be fooled, i'm kindof a newb here ;) ) what does your log look like?
[19:19] <vanishing> djr13: well..look in this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1427281
[19:19] <vanishing> djr13: its killing me...
[19:21] <rye> vanishing, can you restart the system adding --debug switch to the kernel cmdline?
[19:22] <djr13> anyone have an idea what i can try for getting gpu lockups under nouveau?
[19:23] <djr13> make that, what i can try to avoid getting them, preferrably... :))
[19:24] <vanishing> rye: ugh..ok.let me try that..it might take a couple mins..since sometimes can get network and other times cant..
[19:24] <vanishing> rye: ty
[19:24] <vanishing> rye: like linux	/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-16-generic root=UUID=985e8811-3641-403a-999c-e59eb02b6b7c ro   quiet splash
[19:25] <vanishing> rye: add --debug after that?
[19:26] <rye> vanishing, yes, this is a debug switch for upstart (it parses cmdline) - my vm took 3 times more to load so that is expected. After this the /var/log/debug will contain info from upstart
[19:26] <vanishing> rye: ok..ty
[19:26] <vanishing> rye: will do that now
[19:26] <vanishing> rye: be right back
[19:28] <djr13> hmm don't mean to be lazy, but is there an Ubuntu X-specific irc channel anywhere?
[19:30] <sven_oostenbrink> Im trying to install Ubuntu Lucid 10.04 on a laptop using LVM.. Done this many times before, even with lucid, but now the installer does show the LVM partitinos, but I cant change antyhing.. Does anybody know what I can do to fix this?
[19:31] <vanishing> rye: ok..this is funny...after i add --debug, its all working now..
[19:32] <vanishing> rye: lol...i gotta thank you..
[19:32] <rye> vanishing, i hate apps that suddenly start working under debugger and that start working properly being run in debug mode
[19:32] <rye> vanishing, no, no - that is not a fix! Either something else changed or it is all now masked
[19:32] <vanishing> rye: lol..yea..
[19:32] <vanishing> rye: o well..at least i can get to desktop now
[19:32] <rye> e.g. by increased startup time...
[19:33] <vanishing> rye: let me check the debug log
[19:33] <vanishing> rye: startup times is the same i think..
[19:33] <rye> vanishing, ah, vm has pretty slow terminal emulation...
[19:35] <vanishing> rye: eh...this is the only "error" in debug:Mar 11 14:29:00 Vanishing init: job_process_trace_fork: Failed to set options for new anacron main process (1360), probably not yet forked: No such process
[19:36] <vanishing> rye: let me try to restart again without --debug..
[19:36] <vanishing> rye: brb
[19:36] <djr13> ha, how surprising, Ubuntu's X channel is #ubuntu-x :-/
[19:44] <vanishing> rye: o.o.....its working without --debug now..
[19:45] <rye> vanishing, awesome... have you updated anything else recently?
[19:45] <vanishing> rye: nope....
[19:45] <vanishing> rye: dont understand this..
[19:51] <yofel> heh, that reminds me of my firefox... refused to start a few days ago. FIX: start with -safe-mode once -.-
[19:51]  * yofel makes himself a note about --debug
[19:53] <vanishing> yofel: lol...when someone has a problem, ask him "have you tried --debug"..
[20:12] <coz_> hey guys.. ok.. new themes... of course buttons on the left "mac style" has to go...how about some new sounds?
[20:12] <coz_> log in  etc
[20:13] <arand> coz_: I would be happier if they just disabled them all *brrr*
[20:13] <coz_> :)
[20:13] <coz_> arand,  :)
[20:14] <coz_> arand,  6years of that budumbump drum at log in is getting way past olde lol
[20:14]  * arand uses tab completion in terminal BUBLU! , BUBLU!BUBLU!BULBLU!
[20:18] <arand> coz_: Well, that one I don't mind too much, apart from that it really should be easily disable-able (gdm2setup...), I'm more bothered by the prolonged login sound, sounding as though it was taken from some jungle flick of the naughty kind *erhm*
[20:19] <coz_> arand, oh ..well even that sound should be changed....dont think any of them will be though
[20:21] <arand> But I say, switch all sounds of by default, huge improvement, seems professional, etc. (don't know how the gdm sound goes for accesibility though...)
[20:25] <erik__> I'm getting frequent "Ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode", but it can't start in that either.. Not sure how to go on since the error messages seems trivial PreInit returned NULL for ""HID 413c:3010"" and PreInit returned NULL for ""Macintosh mouse button emulation""
[20:26] <erik__> Hum the PreInit thing was the error message that it supposedly don't like..
[20:29] <guntbert> erik__: here it helped to use an older kernel
[20:30] <erik__> I've got two machines (sameish hardware) that have the same error..  :) So I can test lots of stuff in parallel.
[20:30] <erik__> guntbert, the same problem?
[20:30] <erik__> and what kernel.
[20:32] <syn-waker> hi all
[20:32] <syn-waker> what will be new in ubuntu 10.04?
[20:32] <guntbert> erik__: looks so - I didn't read the complete output - <IP_ADDRESS> fails and <IP_ADDRESS> works
[20:33] <yofel> syn-waker: the alpha3 release notes have a list: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/Alpha3
[20:33] <syn-waker> great! thx
[20:34] <yofel> syn-waker: actually a bit of that has changed
[20:34] <yofel> syn-waker: you should get the final list on the beta release notes in a week
[20:34] <syn-waker> k :)
[20:35] <adapa> if i install an alpha version of lucid lynx, would apt be able to update it to the release when it is released?
[20:35] <syn-waker> yes
[20:35] <syn-waker> but it's better a clean install
[20:35] <coz_> I doubt its better than a clean install :)
[20:36] <adapa> why would a clean install be better? surely apt removes stuff that doesn't need to be there when it updates stuff
[20:36] <syn-waker> yes but there may be bugs...
[20:36] <coz_> clean install is always preferable for new versions of any  Os ...my opinion based on a few years experience
[20:36] <syn-waker> an OS is too big to be bugless, so...
[20:37] <syn-waker> where can i find a complete list of irc's?
[20:37] <adapa> clean installs are better and i do usually opt for them but there's a lot of data flying about and i can't just go round reformatting hard drives all the time. is the release on target for 29th April?
[20:37] <syn-waker> from freenode
[20:38] <coz_> adapa,  as far as I know it is
[20:39] <zniavre> syn-waker,  /list ?
[20:39] <syn-waker> lol k:))
[20:40] <guntbert> syn-waker: but that is *huge*
[20:47] <Frijolie> anyone know why my iPod Touch appears twice on my desktop? (One as the drive label and another as plan 'ol iPod--with the icon of a camera)
[20:48] <throughnothing> Frijolie, i dont know why but my iphone does the same thing
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Because it works as both a camera and a storage device?
[20:48] <throughnothing> one thing that I know is that before iphone support worked, the camera icon would show up but not work properly
[20:48] <throughnothing> naw it seems like whatever was detecting that still find sit, but so does iFuse (which is what correctly mounts it)
[20:48] <Frijolie> throughnothing, it's annoying...
[20:48] <erik__> guntbert, :-) thanks but *.15 give me the same error.
[20:48] <throughnothing> *now
[20:48] <Frijolie> charlie-tca, i thought about that but I'm not sure...
[20:49] <guntbert> erik__: then its a different issue - sorry
[20:49] <Frijolie> plus, the folder structure on the device doesn't make much sense
[20:49] <throughnothing> Frijolie, if its like mine, the "camera" icon will have the DCIM folders, but no actual images show up in it
[20:49] <charlie-tca> That would be my thought.
[20:49] <Frijolie> hard to know where to drag-n-drop the files you want to synch
[20:49] <throughnothing> Frijolie, but the correct device has the DCIM folders as well, and those have the images
[20:49] <Frijolie> throughnothing, yup, exactly what I've got
[20:49] <throughnothing> Frijolie, one thing i do, is once its mounted, I unmount the camera one
[20:49] <throughnothing> because it doesnt seem to be needed
[20:49] <throughnothing> that way i dont get confused
[20:49] <Frijolie> is this an Ubuntu thing or Apple firmware thingy
[20:49] <throughnothing> pretty sure its ubuntu
[20:50] <throughnothing> whatever the default thing is (something with gvfs i assume) that detects cameras pugged in
[20:50] <Frijolie> throughnothing, I do that as well, it's just kinda a pain in the neck you have to do it
[20:50] <throughnothing> thinks the iphone/ipod touch is a camera for some reason even though it cant access the image files
[20:50] <Frijolie> I guess we're just lucky it mounts at all--must have taken some serious reverse engineering
[20:50] <throughnothing> i would imagine whatever that is needs to be patched to notice when its an iphone/ipod touch and not dod anything
[20:50] <throughnothing> thats just my hunch, im no expert there
[20:51] <throughnothing> Frijolie, yeah it did, i actually watched them work on it for a while as its something i was very interested in....lots of crazy reerse engineering
[20:51] <Frijolie> hmm...the iPhone has a camera but the iPod does not
[20:51] <Frijolie> must be something in the firmware that says it's a camera and Ubuntu takes the firmware's word for it
[20:51] <throughnothing> yeah i think its something like that
[20:52] <throughnothing> and that detection needs to be smart enough to say this is an ipod touch/iphone, im not gonna be able to read it, so dont do anything
[20:52] <Frijolie> probably cause it's the same firmware for an iPod/iPhone
[20:52] <throughnothing> yeah could be
[20:52] <throughnothing> they look like the same device i think
[20:52] <Frijolie> darn Apple (Ubuntu's cousin)
[20:52] <throughnothing> yeah...its gonna be android for me once my contract is up
[20:53] <throughnothing> by then it'll probably be a nexus 2
[20:53] <throughnothing> or nexus 3 hehe
[20:53] <Frijolie> Amen!
[20:53] <Frijolie> I got a Blackberry Curve...
[20:53] <Frijolie> that's another story
[20:53] <throughnothing> the iphone is awesome but putting up with their crap is too much
[20:53] <guntbert> !ot
[20:53] <throughnothing> guntbert, sorry :P
[20:54] <Frijolie> guntbert--we're talking about Ubuntu support of our devices..chill man
[20:54] <guntbert> throughnothing: :) - Frijolie read your last statements please :-)
[20:54] <throughnothing> it is definitely great that lucid will support iphones out of the box, thats hella awesome
[20:54] <Frijolie> Ubuntu is working on support of Blackberries
[20:55] <Frijolie> guntbert, "that's another story" was my last statement and why I didn't continue to carry on
[20:55] <Frijolie> and it's not like we're talking over anyone else in here...you can hear a pin drop
[20:56] <skyjumper> anyone have a solution to the firefox font rendering bug that doesn't involve rebuilding the whole package?
[20:57] <guntbert> Frijolie: ok - thats true too - but it still was a bit distracting (for me) - please don't take my admonition too serious though :-)
[20:57] <Frijolie> guntbert, fair enough :)
[20:57] <burzki> who knows how to change the window buttons back to the right?
[20:58] <ZykoticK9> burzki, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[20:58] <Bittarman> ok, I had to re-install gdm, is there a package I need to get the log-in theme back?
[21:00] <zniavre> ubuntu-artwork ?
[21:01] <burzki> thanks.  got it.  if devs are going to go moving thigns like that around, can't they atleast amke it a choice optoion and not just do it to us against our will???
[21:04] <Bittarman> zniavre, cheers
[21:04] <ZykoticK9> burzki, if you have a forum account you might want to cast a vote on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422422
[21:04] <Bittarman> I like it on the left :P
[21:05] <burzki> thanks.  i just came from there.  i came here to find how to change it because i didn't want to read through 11 pages of comments to find the change.
[21:06] <melodie_> I reported this bug anew :
[21:06] <melodie_> Bug 525081
[21:06] <melodie_> this time it was with the 64bits version
[21:08] <burzki> 40 pages
[21:08] <Blue1>  just upgraded from suse to ubuntu.  I nuked all the .gconf files, but the window mimimise, maximise, and close, are on the left hand side of the window, instead of the right.  How do I fix?
[21:08] <ZykoticK9> Blue1, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[21:26] <melodie_> is there a dedicated chan for the Netbook Remix 9.10 version ? do someone know about that here ?
[21:27] <erik__> sigh.. Well X seems to work the first time I boot after doing a big update, then it goes back to that error message.
[21:27] <erik__> Running Low-graphics-mode..
[21:27] <ZykoticK9> melodie_, there is no dedicated "Netbook Remix" or "Netbook Edition" channel -- so if you're using 9.10 then it's just #ubuntu i'm affraid
[21:27] <melodie_> ZykoticK9, ok thanks
[21:27] <erik__> how do I run the xserver without that ubuntu failsafe thingy.
[21:28] <melodie_> erik__, do you have a xorg.conf in this install ?
[21:28] <melodie_> erik__, ?
[21:29] <melodie_> erik__, I just asked a question to you : do you know if there is actually a xorg.conf file in your ubuntu ?
[21:29] <erik__> melodie_, The default nothing generic screen etc..
[21:29] <melodie_> what is the graphic card of your's ?
[21:29] <melodie_> erik__, ? the graphic card please ?
[21:29] <erik__> good question Intel integrated I would guess.
[21:30] <melodie_> erik__, do "lspci | grep Video" in the console and tell me
[21:30] <erik__> 82Q963/Q965 Integrated Graphics Controller
[21:30] <melodie_> erik__, is it the full output ? give me all with the prompt too please
[21:31] <erik__> erik@usb2:~$ lspci | grep -i VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q963/Q965 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[21:31] <melodie_> ok
[21:31] <erik__> the first one was from lshw
[21:31] <melodie_> do you have intel driver installed ?
[21:31] <melodie_> xorg-xserver-intel or looking like this ?
[21:32] <erik__> ii  xserver-xorg-video-intel
[21:32] <erik__> un  xserver-xorg-video-intel-mod
[21:32] <melodie_> ii : means installed ?
[21:33] <melodie_> ok
[21:33] <erik__> yes directly from  dpkg -l
[21:33] <erik__> so the modesetting one isn't installed.
[21:33] <erik__> It should be: un  xserver-xorg-video-intel-modesetting
[21:34] <melodie_> you go to tty, then you create  a xorg.conf file, then you come back : to do this you first stop gdm then after you install the file in /etc/X11 and then you restart gdm and come back either with Ctrl+Alt+7 or maybe Ctrl+Alt+8 : is that ok ?
[21:34] <melodie_> to stop gdm:
[21:34] <melodie_> sudo service gdm stop
[21:34] <melodie_> to restart it
[21:34] <melodie_> sudo service gdm start
[21:34] <melodie_> to create xorg.conf file:
[21:35] <melodie_> first put the other one out of the way
[21:35] <melodie_> like this:
[21:35] <melodie_> sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-back
[21:35] <melodie_> then create a new one:
[21:35] <melodie_> sudo X -configure
[21:35] <erik__> ok I'll do that and com back
[21:35] <melodie_> it will create it under home under the name "xorg.conf.new"
[21:35] <melodie_> so you must install it*
[21:36] <melodie_> this way :
[21:36] <erik__> np
[21:36] <melodie_> sudo mv /home/*user*/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:36] <melodie_> ok
[21:36] <melodie_> :)
[21:36] <melodie_> wait
[21:36] <melodie_> after you create it :
[21:37] <melodie_> edit it with nano and comment out the line "bus id"
[21:37] <erik__> I'll do it on the other machine so it' np if some thing ucks up I can just try it on this one..
[21:37] <melodie_> it's of no use and it bothers more than anything, and also check you get the video modes:
[21:37] <melodie_> after the first lines in screen section and just before the first subsection:
[21:38] <melodie_> DefaultDepth 24
[21:38] <melodie_> then in the subsection after, where there is depth 24, just before the line "EndSubsection" : add this:
[21:39] <melodie_> Modes "1024x768" or other video mode accordingly to what you need to get
[21:39] <melodie_> this should be ok after you save it, and restart gdm.
[21:40] <melodie_> ok ? don't forger the " when needed and don't put ones where it's not needed ^^
[21:40] <melodie_> s/forger/forget/
[21:45] <MikeChelen> the "synchronize on ubuntu one" command from right-clicking on a directory doesn't seem to have any effect
[21:51] <erik__> melodie_, Hum hum!.. If I run just  "X" from command line it works fine..
[21:51] <erik__> it runs with intel driver at 1920x1200
[21:52] <erik__> but I still get these errors (which ubuntu fail safe barks at)
[21:52] <erik__> PreInit returned NULL for ""HID 413c:3010""
[21:52] <erik__> PreInit returned NULL for ""Macintosh mouse button emulation""
[21:52] <erik__> The only mac think I have is my keyboard... But unplugging that didn't work..
[21:55] <erik__> MikeChelen, Yeah ubuntuone-syncdaemon seems to get stuck waiting for something, at least over here.
[21:55] <dupondje> smb mouting is bit foobar ? running @ 100% cpu ... :s
[21:57] <MikeChelen> erik__: how can you establish that? it isn't showing any errors for me
[21:58] <MikeChelen> dupondje: how is the smb mounted, through fstab?
[22:00] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/532024
[22:00] <dupondje> its this :)
[22:00] <erik__> MikeChelen, did a strace on it and it loop checks timeofday 10times per second. It shouldn't do that.. :-)
[22:02] <MikeChelen> dupondje: ah ok, technically that is not mounting :D
[22:03] <MikeChelen> erik__: gotcha, has anyone reported the bug yet?
[22:03] <erik__> I would guess it loops somewhere while waiting for dbus.. But I dunno.
[22:03] <erik__> MikeChelen, Don't think so, question is should one report it? :-)
[22:05] <MikeChelen> erik__: yes please, it would be nice to have the ubuntu one nautilus integration features working
[22:05] <melodie_> erik__, I gave you the steps I follow to get X to run properly on many Ubuntu installs that I did recently : if you don't try to follow them precisely you won't get a clear result, in my opinion
[22:07] <rr72> anyone having crashes of document viewer?
[22:07] <erik__> melodie_, Yeah I figured you would say that.. :-) Problem is the config works great when running with just "X" but doesn't work with GDM, so my conclusion is that it's a failsafe-X problem.
[22:08] <melodie_> erik__, not really
[22:08] <erik__> melodie_, But I'll add the 1024x768 and see what happens
[22:08] <melodie_> it's a problem about the way the automatic detection works : not very well in a certain number of cases
[22:09] <melodie_> what's your screen best resolution ?
[22:09] <erik__> 1920x1200
[22:09] <melodie_> add what is the best
[22:09] <melodie_> ok then put that
[22:09] <melodie_> don't forget to comment out "bus id" pci whatever, that bothers.
[22:10] <melodie_> erik__, this way:
[22:10] <melodie_> #	BusID		"PCI:1:0"
[22:10] <erik__> Yeah but then that's the config I have. The X -configure was very nstructive.
[22:10] <melodie_> this is added all the time but screws things
[22:11] <melodie_> that's why it's the first thing to change in there
[22:11] <melodie_> I could paste one old xorg.conf of mine if you want to see some parts ?
[22:24] <Debian911> Any reason as to why libc6 in Lucid doesnt seem to have fallocate/fallocate64 enabled
[22:24] <Debian911> rtorrent is reporting as not present when compiling
[22:39] <Linux000> Does anyone know how to force 10.04 create and use an xorg.conf file?
[22:40] <ZykoticK9> Linux000, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/create-an-xorg-conf-file
[22:41] <bcurtiswx_> are the colors on the indicator-applet-session menu going to come back?
[22:41] <Linux000> thanks, virtualbox guest additions needs xorg.conf, I was puzzled when it wasn't there.
[22:42] <bcurtiswx_> as well as indicator-session green ? i kinda liked the difference
[22:43] <ZykoticK9> Linux000, if you're running Lucid in a VBox VM and want quasi-mouse integration you might also be interested in http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/virtualbox-mouse-integration
[22:43] <Linux000> thanks
[22:50] <Debian911> SSH issue resolved since yesterday?
[22:52] <ZykoticK9> Debian911, do you have a bug number regarding this?  You seem to be the only person mentioning it.
[23:01] <gwhipple> how do i get my wireless mouse to work
[23:02] <MikeChelen> what kind is it? should be able to just plug in and go
[23:02] <gwhipple> it was working in karmic
[23:02] <gwhipple> plugged it in and light blinks but that's it
[23:03] <gwhipple> got it working!
[23:05] <gwhipple> now if i can only get the openoffice 3.2 icons to change to crystal
[23:05] <gwhipple> it's installed, i change the setting, but the icons stay the same
[23:07] <tamran> hi guys, can anyone help me with a missing dependency: Binary package hint: mediatomb-common
[23:07] <tamran> hi guys, can anyone help me with a missing dependency: libmozjs0d
[23:09] <yofel> tamran: seems to have been part of xulrunner, but not in the lucid version
[23:10] <tamran> ahh
[23:10] <tamran> is there a way I can fix?
[23:10] <yofel> !info xulrunner karmic
[23:10] <yofel> ubottu: ping?
[23:10] <yofel> good bot
[23:11] <yofel> we don't seem to have 'xulrunner' in lucid anymore, only xulrunner-1.9.1 and 1.9.2
[23:11] <tamran> ahh
[23:13] <tamran> so, in other words, no?
[23:13] <yofel> no, the libmozjs0d package doesn't exist in lucid anymore, but I'm not sure if the bug should be in xulrunner or mediatomb...
[23:14] <tamran> yeah, I'm trying to install mediatomb
[23:15] <tamran> is there any reason it was removed?
[23:15] <yofel> tamran: xulrunner (1.8) is obsolete. we use 1.9.1/1.9.2 now
[23:15] <yofel> but wtf?
[23:16] <tamran> ?
[23:16] <tamran> here's hoping it is just one of those "push forward" things and I can get some functionality back
[23:16] <yofel> libmozjs2d exists on debian testing and unstable as part of xulrunner-1.9.2, but not on lucid o.O?
[23:16]  * yofel goes reading changelogs
[23:17] <tamran> cool! maybe I indirectly helped :)
[23:17] <yofel> err. part of xulrunner-1.9.1 actually
[23:24] <h00k> I wish Metacity compositing wasn't broken on Lucid and my EEE
[23:29] <Debian911> ZykoticK9: I dont mate, Kizz something was in here yesterday (my time) and did a live reinstall on his spare box next to him - exact same issue. Upgrading from Server 9.10 to 10.4 kills ssh on port 22 AND 9004 - he could reproduce it and also said it was already listed as a bug so I didnt signup to create a bug report
[23:30] <Debian911> on another note for some reason fallocate doesn't look like its being recongized while compiling rtorrent - using latest 2.6.33 kernel, ext4 - latest libc6. Anyway to test?
[23:30] <ZykoticK9> Debian911, i was just curious, i remember you mentioning it yesterday as well - but haven't see SSH mentioned since, figured if there was an SSH bug channel would be flooded with it, perhaps if it's only affecting server/upgrades we aren't seeing much action... yet.  Hope you find a fix :)
[23:34] <tamran> what is the relation between ubuntu and linux mint?
[23:35] <ZykoticK9> tamran, as that isn't a Lucid support/discussion - perhaps you could ask in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[23:35] <tamran> no problem ZykoticK9
[23:56] <ubuntulover> Hi i am running Xubuntu 10.04 alpha 3 and its kernel panicked and its still running. how?