[14:31] <MonkeyDust> :)
[14:31] <MonkeyDust> ok, then type   ./monkey [enter]
[14:31] <pwca> I don't think he's supposed to type "[enter]".
[14:32] <basic> its running
[14:32] <MonkeyDust> no, hit enter
[14:33] <MonkeyDust> basic  great, in time, this can become a routine, it was hard the first time
[14:34] <basic> it finished
[14:34] <basic> ok software center works our goal achieved
[14:34] <basic> thanks man good job
[14:34] <ObrienDave> \o/
[14:35] <LMNOP__> hey is ubuntu useing the new Debian?
[14:35]  * MonkeyDust pats self on the shoulder: "that's my boy"
[14:35]  * ObrienDave kept that script for future use
[14:35] <k1l_> LMNOP__: that doesnt make any sense
[14:36] <LMNOP__> wut dont u understand about that q
[14:36]  * ObrienDave takes aim at Google translate. *** BOOOOOOOOOOM ***
[14:36] <k1l_> LMNOP__: please rephrase that question and make clear what you want to know
[14:36] <basic> ok thanks all i might be back have a good day
[14:36] <LMNOP__> hey is ubuntu useing the new Debian?
[14:37] <LMNOP__> I dont know wht u want me to rephrase
[14:37] <ObrienDave> Ubuntu is based on Debian. it does NOT use the latest Debian
[14:37] <LMNOP__> ok thanks
[14:38] <haikong> i think deepin is not ban
[14:39] <k1l_> LMNOP__: ubuntu syncs the packages from debian unstable. if that is what you want to know.
[14:39] <LMNOP__> can u rephrase that
[14:40] <ObrienDave> *troll alert*
[14:40] <pwca> is there a new version of lib32-nvidia-libgl?
[14:40] <LMNOP__> can u rephrase that to maek it more easier 4 me 2 understand
[14:40] <pwca> I have 15.04.
[14:41] <ObrienDave> !info lib32-nvidia-libgl
[14:41] <pwca> possibly you can help me, ObrienDave.
[14:41] <ioria> pwca are you Ubuntu or Arch ?
[14:42] <pwca> ObrienDave: I am trying to run OpenGL by SSH and I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/SpJb9d6Z
[14:42] <pwca> Ubuntu, ioria.
[14:42] <pwca> I thought perhaps when I did OpenGL over SSH maybe it tried to use by 32bit libraries instead of 64bit and I was missing this causing the error.
[14:42] <pwca> but I suppose Ubuntu bundles those together so I should be good.
[14:43] <ObrienDave> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lib32-nvidia-libgl&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[14:43] <ObrienDave> it's not in ubuntu packages
[14:43] <pwca> so that's not the answer then.
[14:44] <ObrienDave> it might be a nvidia package
[14:44] <ObrienDave> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/multilib/x86_64/lib32-nvidia-libgl/
[14:45] <pwca> that's Arch Linux.
[14:45] <ioria> pwca steam ?
[14:45] <pwca> no, ioria.
[14:49] <ioria> pwca glxinfo | grep render ?
[14:49] <pwca> on host or client?
[14:49] <ioria> pwca both
[14:50] <pwca> ioria: http://pastebin.com/g479pdV0
[14:50] <Rufus> Hello all. what's the equivalent of echo "smth here"  { bunch of actions } ; echo "done."   for ubuntu please?
[14:51] <ioria> pwca client ?
[14:51] <pwca> ioria: that's the client, yes. I need to reboot the host (trying to mess with symlinks).
[14:52] <pwca> the issue should be caused by the client, since upgrading that caused the issues.
[14:54] <pwca> now I emptied out "/etc/ld.so.conf.d". I thought "sudo ldconfig" was going to recreate the symbolic links but it didn't.
[14:58] <crouan> +i
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> Rufus, depends on the context... "echo" is often a print command, to print/display something to the screen
[15:00] <katronix> Hi all, just installed Ubuntu on my home system yesterday with LAMP, I had modified it yesterday so that home directories would work. Today for some reason its returning a 403. Can anyone suggest where I start looking? userdir.conf/load is still linked into mods-enabled
[15:00] <Rufus> pragmaticenigma I'm trying to supress output from a bash file. on Centos I'd do echo "some mesage" { all the commands I want to suppress output }  &>> $LOGFILE ; echo "done."
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> if you want to suppress all output your output redirect needs a little more too it
[15:03] <tos-1> Rufus: That's shell dependent, not distibution dependent.
[15:05] <pwca> ioria: oh, and I already had that output in an earlier pastebin.
[15:05] <pwca> ioria: http://pastebin.com/SpJb9d6Z
[15:05] <ioria> pwca libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
[15:06] <pwca> ioria: yes.
[15:07] <tos-1> Rufus: If you use bash, your syntax should work.
[15:07] <ioria> pwca server side ?
[15:07] <pwca> ioria: yes.
[15:07] <pwca> I think I had that error back when it worked as well.
[15:07] <Rufus> tos-1 roger that, I;ll change default to bash then
[15:07] <pragmaticenigma> tos-1, I suspect part of his issue is the program he's trying to suppress output for is writting to stderr instead of stdout
[15:08] <tos-1> pragmaticenigma: &> redicts both, stout and stderr
[15:08] <tos-1> *stdout
[15:08] <ioria> pwca symlink issuue i think
[15:09] <ioria> pwca are you sure ?
[15:09] <tos-1> Rufus: The default shell should be bash. Check your shell using `echo $SHELL`
[15:11] <pwca> ioria: yeah, I think it's probably a symlink issue.
[15:12] <ioria> pwca try . http://askubuntu.com/questions/541343/problems-with-libgl-fbconfigs-swrast-through-each-update
[15:12] <ioria> away 10 min
[15:16] <kk0710> Hi guys, I am having  hell of a time here a usual.  I have an hp f018 laptop with an EFI style bios.  After I got it I installed Ubuntu along side windows and to access it I have always had to hit F9 on on boot and in the boot menu pick Ubuntu etc etc.  WEll the other day I wanted to do a full reset on my system so I did a restore on windows(thinking it would also reset the partitions to fctory settings but it didn't) ever since I did
[15:17] <kk0710> for the "os boot menu" which is how to get into windows but it still seemed to work fine.  I then when and did a fresh install of 14.04 and the ubunt entry was added to the list.  Well last night it just disappeared and I have no idea why or how to fix it.
[15:18] <Guest11886> hello, I've installed Ubuntu 14.04  with the help of the mini.iso (I had neither DVD nor an USB drive handy). After installation I can log in into root and use the terminal. There seems to be no desktop environment preinstalled. How do I proceed setting up a "bloated" Ubuntu (w/ unity) from terminal?
[15:18] <daftykins> kk0710: sounds like you've got quite the mess on your hands.
[15:19] <SchrodingersScat> !ubuntu-desktop | Guest11886
[15:19] <daftykins> Guest11886: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[15:19] <pragmaticenigma> Guest11886, run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[15:19] <daftykins> with a ^ at the end
[15:19] <pragmaticenigma> why the carrot at the end daftykins ?
[15:20] <kk0710> daftykins: I am having problems with literaly everything.  I had my wireless adapter workin flawlessly finally on ubuntu but then made the mistake of updating the firmware on my wrt120n and in an effort to get my wireless adapter working did a reset and here we are.  This doesn't include the problems I had on my desktop server and plex but I think that is figured out at least
[15:20] <daftykins> it selects the tasksel entry ensuring that's set
[15:20] <Guest11886> thank you schrodingersScat, ubottu and daftykins and pragmaticenigma, I will do that! Thanks for the quick and precise help.
[15:21] <daftykins> kk0710: i get the impression you'd be better off nuking that thing from orbit and reinstalling Windows from scratch too :> which is handy as you'll be able to kill all the spam partitions
[15:21] <kk0710> daftykins: I have actually been in here several times over the last week and spoken on various different issues I am having lol
[15:21] <daftykins> er, not spam but space wasting ones
[15:21] <daftykins> haha, yeah i think i noticed :>
[15:22] <kk0710> daftykins: this is where I feel like am getting old and completely outdated... this windows 8 BS with all these weird partitions and EFI and faststartp andblah blah bah I aeo freakingclu
[15:22] <Alek900> Hey, im having a issue with tearing  (both desktop and games/video) and vsync not working  on intel 4000 graphics, know of any possible solutions? running 15.04.
[15:22] <kk0710> daftykins: I wanted to do a clean insasdalj;dkj
[15:22] <kk0710> daftykins: now mykeyboward isn't letting me type
[15:22] <daftykins> kk0710: they're mostly messy from factory installs, doing one yourself will reduce it to a more sane 2 or 3 partitions
[15:23] <daftykins> kk0710: now might be a good time to check what material clothes you're wearing and discharge any static on you ;)
[15:23] <kk0710> daftykins: with this efi though and the f9 to get to the boot menu... isn't actuall a partition itself?    As for not being able to type I think it was more the fact I am on the web interface right now, seems to be fine again
[15:24] <daftykins> i do it often :)
[15:24] <daftykins> ah webchat
[15:24] <daftykins> so your first step is obtaining a windows 8 ISO i suspect?
[15:24] <kk0710> daftykins: may I PM you I have a couple of quick questions that might not be ok in here
[15:25] <daftykins> kk0710: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/create-reset-refresh-media <-- this will let you make up a disc legally
[15:25] <daftykins> what, Windows related queries?
[15:26] <kk0710> daftykins: yes and some one "illegal" ones but your link will do just fine I guess(I was debating grabbing windows 10 instead as windowos 8 sucks but really I only use it as a backup for when my linux screws up which seems to be a lot lately lol
[15:27] <daftykins> i'm typing from 10 right now but it's a bit early days yet. can't 100% guarantee you won't have to reinstall anyway when it goes final
 daftykins: yes and some one "illegal" ones but your link will do just fine I guess(I was debating grabbing windows 10 instead as windowos 8 sucks but really I only use it as a backup for when my linux screws up which seems to be a lot lately lol
[15:28] <daftykins> LMNOP__: is there a particular reason you just pasted that?
[15:29] <kk0710> daftykins: before I get started on everything.  You go any insight on my networking problem.  I am seriously this close to just going out and buying a new laptop and and router.  Originally I was having problems only with this lapotp and in the ubuntu boot.  I would randomly drop my connection.  I did the backports fix and everything seemed to be fine then I updated my routers firmware.  Once I updated the router then my problems came
 daftykins: before I get started on everything.  You go any insight on my networking problem.  I am seriously this close to just going out and buying a new laptop and and router.  Originally I was having problems only with this lapotp and in the ubuntu boot.  I would randomly drop my connection.  I did the backports fix and everything seemed to be fine then I updated my routers firmware.    And now when it IS working the laptop will be fine but then suddenly I have no access, I can't even ping the gateway, so annoying.
[15:30] <daftykins> k1l_: understood
[15:30] <daftykins> kk0710: i don't know the full story really
[15:31] <daftykins> kk0710: how new is the laptop? maybe if returning it is still an option, you could just ditch it and get one with a supported adapter
[15:31] <kk0710> daftykins: the full story is I bought this laptop on the spur, and it has a realtek wireless card
[15:31] <kk0710> daftykins: more than 30 days
[15:31] <daftykins> ah, how are you with hardware? you could potentially swap out the card for another
[15:32] <kiwi_banal> Q: Are iPython pop-up help windows configurable? And if so, through osd-notify or elsewhere?
[15:32] <kk0710> daftykins: I only paid 350 for it I mean even if I only got 2-250 I am seriously tempted lol
[15:32] <kk0710> daftykins: but there are documented fixes for this card that is the weird part, it WAS working.
[15:32] <daftykins> kk0710: and iirc you have had every ubuntu version under the sun on there for testing? :)
[15:32] <kk0710> daftykins: if I do this install of windows 8 the way you recommend will the factory restory optios no longer exist?  That is my only concern if I sell it
[15:33] <kk0710> daftykins: no I have stayed with 14.04
[15:33] <daftykins> kk0710: what brand is this machine again?
[15:33] <kk0710> daftykins: it is very dificult testing something that is intermittent so I didn't go through and test all the kernels
[15:33] <kk0710> daftykins: it is an HP f018-dx
[15:33] <kk0710> daftykins: it is only an i3
[15:34] <kk0710> daftykins: so I mean MAYBE I could be convinced t upgrade lol
[15:34] <daftykins> so if you boot Windows and look for a recovery disc creator you can make up some ISOs / burn some DVDs with the recovery image
[15:34] <daftykins> i3's are fine
[15:34] <kk0710> daftykins: things seem to be running slower since my reset but I am hoping that is more to do with the partition table beingscrewy
[15:34] <kk0710> daftykins: so there will no longer be a recovery partition though?
[15:35] <daftykins> i would delete it all to reclaim the wasted space personally.
[15:36] <daftykins> any machines i work on, i create the disc set then file them away and never look at them again :D
[15:36] <kk0710> I went and looked the list of ubuntu safe laptops but most of them were only stable with the supplied version now any DL version and they don't do a good job of at glance specs on the laptops so clicking on every single one got annoying lol
[15:36] <daftykins> kk0710: which OS are you typing from right now?
[15:37] <kk0710> well I have an external drive connected to my desktop just for that.  can I create the "recovery disk" as an iso and simply store it on there so if I every decide to sell it I can do that?
[15:37] <kk0710> daftykins: windows
[15:37] <daftykins> kk0710: it's different per manufacturer's disc creation tool, so you'll need to look for the relevant program and just see what it offers
[15:37] <daftykins> likely it'll be called "HP Recovery..."
[15:38] <daftykins> so hunt the start menu for "HP..."
[15:38] <kk0710> ugh I seriously hate windows 8
[15:38] <kk0710> simple things made hard
[15:39] <kk0710> ok this is od it found something in the "ubuntu apps directory" wtf is going on here
[15:39] <daftykins> hold off on the swearing even in obfuscated form :)
[15:40] <kk0710> sorry sorry!  But deep down... we both know.... you understand my frustration lol
[15:40] <daftykins> kk0710: i don't know what you're doing in some ubuntu apps thing, but just focus on creating the recovery discs first
[15:40] <kk0710> so I did a search for startup disk creator and inthe results it is talking about ubuntu... my windows machine should know nothing about ubuntu
[15:40] <kk0710> did this thing do a freaking google search lol
[15:41] <alket> hi, how to configure gmail webapp in firefox after you dissmis it ?
[15:41] <kk0710> lets try recovery manager
[15:41] <kk0710> so slow
[15:42] <daftykins> kk0710: no just go to the start menu, all apps, then look for HP...
[15:44] <kk0710> Ok it will only let me create one
[15:45] <surgy> whats the kernal version that ships with ubuntu 15 ?
[15:45] <daftykins> 3.19
[15:45] <daftykins> also, it's a "kernel"
[15:45] <kk0710> well I gess this isn't an option daftykins as my choices are dvds and flash, flash drive requires 19gb
[15:46] <surgy> daftykins, ill spell it kernal
[15:46] <daftykins> kk0710: no optical drive in that machine?
[15:46] <daftykins> surgy: then you'll be wrong :)
[15:46] <crosse> hi
[15:46] <kk0710> I do but I have no blank dvds and it requires 5 lol
[15:46] <surgy> daftykins, and ill be proud of it :) thnx for the quick response
[15:46] <daftykins> haha
[15:46] <daftykins> no problem
[15:46] <daftykins> kk0710: hmm, does it have an option of create the images on hard disk instead?
[15:46] <kk0710> I've always used recovery partitions they seemed safer
[15:47] <kk0710> no dafty just dvd and flash it appears
[15:47] <daftykins> nah they're really not
[15:47] <daftykins> just think, hard disks fail
[15:47] <daftykins> crosse: hi, do you have a support question?
[15:47] <crosse> how to upgrade wine 1.6 to 1.7 in ubuntu
[15:48] <kk0710> daftykins: when using media like this will it do the same thing as the recovery partition and restorey the entire system back to factory defaults?  I was shocked when I did a restore earlier it did not reset the partitions back to pre ubuntu install
[15:48] <daftykins> if default packages are older than you want, first off establish why you think updating is necessary...
[15:48] <daftykins> then consider looking for a PPA if you aren't being offered it
[15:48] <SchrodingersScat> that's the fun part of proprietary jargon, you never know what you're going to get
[15:49] <daftykins> that's completely ridiculous - and shame on you SchrodingersScat for pedalling that same childish bias
[15:49] <kk0710> SchrodingersScat: I assume that was meant for me? lol
[15:49] <daftykins> kk0710: it'll tell you clearly what it'll do after booting from it i'm sure
[15:49] <daftykins> back shortly
[15:50] <crosse> help me please
[15:51] <bekks> crosse: which ubuntu do you have, in particular?
[15:51] <SchrodingersScat> If you have to wait to boot from recovery to know, I think that proves my point.
[15:51] <crosse> 14.10
[15:52] <mzaza> umake web visual-studio-code Doesn't work and tells me only firefox-dev available
[15:53] <ioria> crosse may i ask why you need wine ?
[15:54] <crosse> where are you peapole
[15:54] <kk0710> daftykins: I am ust trying to decide if I really even need this.  really I only care if it will restore to out of box conditions including partition table, if it won't do that Iwould just do a fresh install of 8 I guess
[15:54] <crosse> yes
[15:54] <kk0710> ioria: I hae been meaning to get back to you, I was under a different name but you helped me with plex!  I did what you said and everything works now so thank you so much!
[15:54] <crosse> haw to upgade wine 1.6 to 1.6
[15:55] <crosse> sorry 1.7
[15:55] <ioria> kk0710 i'm glad to hear that cheers
[15:55] <crosse> ioria thnx
[15:55] <k1l_> crosse: only wine 1.6 in the official repos. so eihter get a PPA or install wine from some other sources.
[15:56] <kk0710> and crap all this talk of resetting windows and I never figured out my original question of what the heck happened to my ubuntu entry
[15:56] <xangua> or compile it
[15:56] <bekks> crosse: what are you using wine for? maybe you can get your application in question from the ubuntu repos?
[15:56] <ioria> right !!!
[15:56] <crosse> there is new version 1.7
[15:56] <bekks> crosse: what are you using wine for? maybe you can get your application in question from the ubuntu repos?
[15:56] <kk0710> maybe I should just buy a new laptop and router this is becomming annoying
[15:56] <crosse> haw to upgrade
[15:57] <k1l_> crosse: there are no program updates once the ubuntu is released.
[15:57] <ioria> crosse :   Why do you want wine ?
[15:58] <Parabola> hey folks, i've got MATE installed now, and dont intend to use unity again, is there safe / sane way to remove unity without breaking the system?
[15:58] <crosse> run application of windows
[15:58] <k1l_> crosse: and 1.7.. is only the experimental version. the stable version of wine is 1.6.2
[15:58] <Parabola> sorry, 15.04
[15:58] <ioria> crosse :  which one , please ?
[15:58] <crosse> kll ....thnx
[15:59] <crosse> wich whate
[15:59] <crosse> ioria
[15:59] <k1l_> !wine | crosse
[15:59] <ioria> crosse :  which app do you wanna run ?
[16:00] <k1l_> crosse: so you will not get wine1.7 from ubuntu. look if there is a PPA or other 3rd party source or compile it
[16:00] <crosse> ok ..
[16:00] <XLV> !xrandr
[16:00] <pwca> ioria: so, got any ideas?
[16:01] <XLV> anyone knows if the xrandr system has changed in latest releases? i had a working setup, now, after a few updates, it broke once again
[16:02] <crosse> ioria driver of modem hspa
[16:02] <welen> Hello! I am looking to start booting my distro from grub command line, vs. the menu interface. Is it possible to incorporate some sort of file, like a python or C file, in the grub prompt that can be launched and interacted with? Such as one that asks for you to input something, and only allows you to go further if you enter the right string of text?
[16:02] <k1l_> crosse: that doesnt work with wine
[16:03] <crosse> whay!!!
[16:03] <k1l_> crosse: wine doesnt work with hardware drivers.
[16:03] <bekks> crosse: Because you cannot use device drivers with wine.
[16:03] <ioria> pwca did you check the symlinks ?
[16:04] <XLV> http://pastebin.com/hRu2CCdV this is the added conf i have added in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[16:04] <crosse> bekks: thnx
[16:04] <Parabola> :-\
[16:04] <pwca> ioria: yes.
[16:05] <MonkeyDust> XLV  arandr is a gui for xrandr
[16:05] <XLV> the whole setup is as follows.. two NASes based on msi c847 mbs , celeron 847 cpus.. they output through vga to an old kvm unit that doesnt support storing edid info of monitor.. so i had the problem, when the system booted and the kvm wasnt switched to that pc, the res defaulted to 1024x768
[16:05] <XLV> with the above added conf file, i had it working.. now its broke again
[16:06] <ioria> pwca did you run   export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose   and then  glxgears ?
[16:06] <pwca> ioria: yes.
[16:07] <ioria> pwca output ?
[16:07] <pwca> ioria: same as when running glxinfo.
[16:10] <pirata> suckers
[16:11] <melgio> http://mandrak3.altervista.org/index.php?q=True%20Detective%201x07%20Capitolo%20Sette%20Verso%20La%20Verita#
[16:11] <ioria> pwca   do you have /usr/lib/nvidia-***/libGL.so.* ?
[16:12] <pwca> yea, ioria.
[16:12] <ioria> pwca   it's a link ?
[16:13] <ioria> pwca   ls -l
[16:14] <pwca> libGL.so -> libGL.so.1
[16:14] <pwca> libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.349.16
[16:17] <ioria> pwca   and in /usr/local/lib/libGL.so.* ?
[16:18] <pwca> /usr/local/lib/libGL.so.1.2.0 -> /usr/lib/nvidia-349/libGL.so.1
[16:21] <cc> oh
[16:22] <surgy> has anyone used a huion graphics tablet? i have read mixed reviews. some say it works well on kernel 3.12 and im obviously running kernAl 3.19. so am i good to go or not?
[16:22] <XLV> ok, i am getting somewhere.. i could once again add the 1920x1200 modeline and use that mode through xrandr.. problem is now why isnt the the xorg defaulting on that
[16:22] <MonkeyDust> surgy  #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:23] <surgy> MonkeyDust, a compatibility question is offtopic?
[16:25] <daftykins> kk0710: i just don't believe in ever keeping factory installs, they're bloated and inefficient
[16:25] <bazhang> http://askubuntu.com/questions/500141/huion-h610-tablet surgy this one?
[16:26] <jasabella> hi
[16:26] <daftykins> hi
[16:26] <brainwash> hi
[16:27] <daftykins> any support questions? :>
[16:28] <surgy> uh yeah i asked one
[16:29] <surgy> huion tablet is compatible with ubuntu 15 or not?
[16:29] <daftykins> well i more meant for the recent joiners, i saw yours and have no idea
[16:30] <bazhang> surgy, and I gave a response, with a link
[16:31] <OerHeks> surgy, here is more than one huion tablet, which one?
[16:32] <surgy> daftykins, ok thank you
[16:32] <surgy> ok hers a good one. :: i hate unity and i want gnome. the real gnome. how do i get it? whats the package name?
[16:32] <surgy> OerHeks, huion 580
[16:32] <daftykins> gnome-desktop?
[16:33] <daftykins> or you could have MATE and experience the old v2 style
[16:33] <OerHeks> gnome2 is dead.
[16:33] <surgy> daftykins, i have linux because i have a specific way i want things. i want to be able to customize. unity is horrible at this
[16:34] <daftykins> surgy: ok, sure - i don't need the full story though :)
[16:34] <surgy> daftykins, of course you dont.....
[16:34] <surgy> anyways the model is huion 580
[16:34] <ioria> pwca   ls /etc/ld.so.conf.d  ?
[16:34] <bazhang> surgy, yes it works
[16:34] <Parabola> ok, how do you make this trash distro honor standards? i need init 3 and grub "3" doesnt work, and "init 3" doesnt work
[16:34] <Parabola> i also cannot change TTYs
[16:35] <bazhang> !runlevels | Parabola
[16:35] <Parabola> ugh, why follow standards right
[16:35] <Parabola> thanks man
[16:35] <pwca> fakeroot-x86_64-linux-gnu.conf  i386-linux-gnu.conf  i386-linux-gnu_GL.conf  libc.conf  x86_64-linux-gnu.conf  x86_64-linux-gnu_GL.conf  x86_64-linux-gnu_GL.conf~  zz_i386-biarch-compat.conf
[16:36] <bazhang> Parabola, labeling ubuntu a trash distro, not the best way to get support in future
[16:36] <daftykins> Parabola: only been that way for a few years (:
[16:36] <Parabola> daftykins: not on real distros its not
[16:36] <daftykins> Parabola: again, bringing that childish attitude in here is a great way to get ignored :)
[16:36] <ioria> pwca   can you post zz_i386-biarch-compat.conf ?
[16:36] <Parabola> bazhang: yeah i know, i'm just shocked at some of the things done just to be different
[16:37] <bazhang> lets get back on topic please Parabola
[16:37] <Parabola> what topic is that
[16:37] <pwca> /usr/lib32
[16:37] <pwca> err, /lib32 first.
[16:37] <pwca> then /usr/lib32.
[16:37] <bazhang> Parabola, ubuntu tech support only , chit chat elsewhere
[16:38] <ioria> pwca   swap them
[16:38] <ioria> pwca   first /usr/lib32 and then /lib32
[16:39] <Parabola> bazhang: so theres no equivalent to runlevel 3?
[16:39] <soy_el_pulpo> PHPLearner: how it went?
[16:39] <pwca> ioria: still doesn't work.
[16:39] <Parabola> or 2|3|4 are equal and all should work?
[16:40] <pwca> I managed to delete some metapackage and not apt-get wants to autoremove my everything. what do I do?
[16:40] <ioria> pwca   wait, you have to run sudo ldconfig      .... but,  sotty, at your risk !  <-
[16:40] <pavlos> Parabola, 2..5 are equivalent
[16:40] <ioria> sorry
[16:40] <Parabola> pavlos: i want to remove my DEs.. so i need just an init 3 session. how do i do that
[16:40] <Parabola> i've been googling, i'm not finding what im looking for.. either i'm asking the wrong question, or i'm not understanding the answers.
[16:40] <pwca> ioria: I already did run sudo ldconfig!
[16:41] <pavlos> Parabola, you want to remove your Desktop Environment? so will be running text mode?
[16:41] <Parabola> yes
[16:41] <ioria> pwca   same error from glxinfo ?
[16:41] <Parabola> i'm going to install another, but yes
[16:41] <pwca> yeah, ioria.
[16:41] <daftykins> Parabola: log in at a TTY and stop lightdm, simple.
[16:42] <Parabola> daftykins: that would be great but i cannot change TTY, just black screen
[16:42] <Parabola> only F7 (X) works
[16:42] <daftykins> resolve your graphics driver issues first then
[16:42] <MonkeyDust> Parabola  ctrl alt F1
[16:42] <Xanather> someone else having graphical issues on ubuntu, how surprising
[16:42] <daftykins> Parabola: or boot with 'text' in place of quiet splash
[16:42] <Parabola> nice thanks
[16:42] <pwca> I think I just have to do a clean install.
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> Xanather  this is the support channel, people come here for problem solving, also graphical problems
[16:43] <ioria> pwca  did you update the nvidia drivers  ?
[16:44] <pwca> update?
[16:44] <ioria> pwca  yep
[16:44] <Xanather> i was sort of making a joke :P
[16:44] <Parabola> man unity really doesn't like being removed does it
[16:44] <Xanather> personally ive given up on ubuntu soley because nvidia drivers are so shit
[16:44] <pwca> ioria: since when? I have tried like 5 different drivers.
[16:45] <ioria> pwca  before the issue, i mean
[16:45] <Parabola> Xanather: Xanather nvidia drivers are great. i got crossfire, 144hz monitors and multidisplay working on AMD drivers
[16:45] <MonkeyDust> Xanather  yes, linux and nvidia are no friends
[16:45] <pwca> I upgraded Ubuntu.
[16:45] <Parabola> Xanather: you have it easy..
[16:45] <Parabola> !remove unity
[16:45] <Parabola> hm
[16:45] <Xanather> i couldn't even get vsync working properly
[16:45] <daftykins> Xanather: then why are you in here?
[16:45] <Parabola> !unity
[16:45] <Parabola> !nounity
[16:46] <MonkeyDust> Parabola  no need to remove, simply install another DE, logout, switch, login
[16:46] <pwca> I use the Gnome 3 version of Ubuntu.
[16:46] <pwca> Unity is painful.
[16:46] <ioria> pwca  on the client...  ls /boot ?
[16:46] <Parabola> MonkeyDust: i'd feel better being able to remove it, and its configs, i dont need conflicts causing ghost issues later on
[16:46] <Xanather> daftykins because i still ask questions sometimes
[16:46] <Xanather> i was insulting nvidia not ubuntu
[16:47] <pwca> ls /boot: abi-3.16.0-31-generic  config-3.16.0-31-generic  grub initrd.img-3.16.0-31-generic  memtest86+.bin  memtest86+_multiboot.bin      System.map-3.19.0-15-generic  vmlinuz-3.19.0-15-generic abi-3.19.0-15-generic  config-3.19.0-15-generic  initrd.img-3.16.0-23-generic  initrd.img-3.19.0-15-generic  memtest86+.elf  System.map-3.16.0-31-generic  vmlinuz-3.16.0-31-generic
[16:47] <MonkeyDust> Parabola  then better install a different ubuntu flavor
[16:47] <Parabola> hindsight right :)
[16:47] <Parabola> i picked ubuntu as a test to ensure i could get the fakeraid working properly, with windows dualboot
[16:47] <Parabola> i got it, took a while, and now i dont want to redo it.
[16:47] <ioria> pwca  try to boot with 3.16.0
[16:48] <Parabola> i'll get cinnamon on here and i should be happy enough
[16:50] <SirSkidmore> I keep getting an (initramfs) Unable to find medium containing live file system
[16:50] <SirSkidmore> I've turned on legacy usb
[16:51] <SirSkidmore> and switched my SATA controls from IDE to ACHI
[16:51] <SirSkidmore> which are the two recommendations I can find
[16:51] <groyal> part
[16:52] <Parabola> SirSkidmore: rebuild / update your initramfs images?
[16:52] <SirSkidmore> Parabola: this is on a liveUSB
[16:53] <Parabola> oh
[16:54] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: how'd you make the drive up? are you using motherboard-direct USB 2.0 ports?
[16:55] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: Rufus with GPT boottables for EFI
[16:55] <SirSkidmore> yes. 2.0 drive in a 2.0 port
[16:55] <daftykins> so you're modifying the default ISO?
[16:56] <SirSkidmore> I unplugged my USB wifi card and got it to boot, but couldn't get my mouse or keyboard to turn on, so I rebooted to look for a IOMMU option, rebooted again to the USB and it wouldn't boot anymore
[16:56] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: I've tried with Unetbootin
[16:56] <SirSkidmore> USBInstaller
[16:56] <SirSkidmore> and Rufus
[16:56] <SirSkidmore> and I've tried two of the setting on Rufus
[16:57] <daftykins> Universal USB Installer from pendrivelinux.com ?
[16:57] <daftykins> also have you MD5'd this ISO?
[16:57] <SirSkidmore> yes
[16:57] <SirSkidmore> it boots fine on my laptop
[16:58] <daftykins> so the troublesome one is some older generation desktop?
[16:59] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: not older gen
[16:59] <audia5> hey guys sudo crossystem dev_boot_usb=1   how to make this sign =
[17:00] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: oh?
[17:00] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: modern CPU. 8-core AMD processer, MSI mobo
[17:00] <daftykins> audia5: an equals sign? it's to the left of backspace, which is above enter for me
[17:01] <audia5> daftykins i have =0} and this on my keyboard
[17:01] <SirSkidmore> If I unplug everything, it boots, but plugging anything in doesn't turn them on
[17:01] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: latest BIOS?
[17:01] <SirSkidmore> but if I try to boot with a keyboard plugged in, it blows up
[17:01] <daftykins> sounds like your USB is wonky :)
[17:01] <daftykins> (technical term)
[17:01] <audia5> equal sign how to make it on my terminal
[17:02] <daftykins> audia5: i'm unsure what you're saying... your keyboard doesn't have equals? ==
[17:02] <xjorgex> audia5: escape it? i.e. \=
[17:02] <audia5> it has but i can not type in on my terminal i try diffrent keys but its not showing
[17:02] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: after it failed out and I tried to plug my keyboard in, it said USB device could not be enumerated or something like that
[17:03] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: mmm, doesn't sound very happy. are you using case USB or ports directly on the motherboard's rear IO Panel?
[17:04] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: directly on the board
[17:05] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: I actually have to run some errands though, I might just try again later
[17:05] <daftykins> so what of my BIOS version query?
[17:05] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: I think so but the MSI page is incredibly difficult to navigate to figure out
[17:06] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: give me the model # and i'll take a glance
[17:06] <daftykins> what's your current BIOS version at?
[17:06] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: E7640AMS V22.4
[17:08] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: so 990FXA-GD80?
[17:10] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: that looks right
[17:11] <SirSkidmore> but I can't seem to find the model number anywhere in the bios or on the board itself
[17:11] <daftykins> it should be hidden beside the PEG slot perhaps
[17:11] <SirSkidmore> aand I don't have the box or anything
[17:13] <ioria> SirSkidmore, sorry, are you sure you are uefi ?
[17:14] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: that boards offered BIOSs only go up to v13.15 for me on the MSI website
[17:14] <daftykins> *13.5
[17:14] <Guest41302> xm
[17:15] <Guest41302> Hello
[17:15] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: and the board says msi7640 version 4.0 but that brings up like 5 boards on the msi page
[17:15] <SirSkidmore> ioria: I guess not entirely
[17:16] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: ah slightly different then - http://www.msi.com/product/mb/890FXAGD70.html#hero-overview
[17:16] <daftykins> it's MS, not MSI for those model numbers typically
[17:17] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: they definitely have the model written between the black slots lower down, so i'd give it a good staring at with a torch/lamp ;)
[17:17] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: that doesn't look like my board but let me look again
[17:18] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: you tried dmidecode and lshw i take it? dmesg might also show some info about the board at the very top
[17:18] <SirSkidmore> http://us.msi.com/product/mb/990XAGD55.html#hero-overview
[17:18] <SirSkidmore> got it
[17:18] <SirSkidmore> that's it
[17:19] <daftykins> 23.2 is the latest then
[17:20] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: but will that solve the issue?
[17:21] <daftykins> do it, load the defaults, then try again
[17:21] <daftykins> well it won't hurt to try
[17:24] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: well, the bios comes in a exe
[17:24] <SirSkidmore> which I have windows on my desktop
[17:24] <SirSkidmore> but now I'm just getting blue screens >.>
[17:24] <daftykins> do or don't?
[17:24] <daftykins> sounds like your machine isn't stable then
[17:24] <daftykins> memtest o'clock
[17:27] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: oh if you only just changed SATA mode your Windows install will BSOD on boot, yeah
[17:27] <daftykins> you can't change it after you've put Windows on
[17:28] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: yeah reset back to default and got it working haha
[17:28] <SirSkidmore> thinking about just wiping everything
[17:28] <daftykins> well start with a memtest
[17:28] <SirSkidmore> not interested in dualbooting really
[17:30] <jiggerypokery> Anyone got one of the new Dell XPS laptops?
[17:30] <jiggerypokery> Trying to run ubuntu on it has just been misery wondering if anyone else has had better luck
[17:31] <daftykins> XPS 13?
[17:31] <daftykins> trying to run what, 15.04?
[17:31] <jiggerypokery> I've tried 14 too which is even worse
[17:32] <daftykins> so what happens with - 14.04? 14.10? which
[17:32] <jiggerypokery> Trackpad doesn't work, keyboard jams. Wifi won't connect for more than a second
[17:32] <jiggerypokery> 15.04 is much more stable
[17:32] <SirSkidmore> jiggerypokery: one of the newest xps machines? I have one of the previous models and everything runs fine
[17:33] <jiggerypokery> yeah
[17:33] <daftykins> FHD or QHD model?
[17:33] <jiggerypokery> I'm thinking of sending it back it is a trainwreck
[17:35] <monojin> !mate
[17:36] <monojin> !ubuntu-mate
[17:36] <pwca> I accidentally removed something a lot of packages dependend on and now apt-get wants to autoremove a lot of packages. how can I fix this?
[17:36] <daftykins> monojin: what are you looking for?
[17:36] <monojin> daftykins: recognition for the best flavor ; )
[17:37] <daftykins> there's no such thing as best.
[17:37] <monojin> daftykins: I know, that message was slightly facetious
[17:37] <hichamat> I want to give to a new user read permission to /var/log/apache
[17:38] <hasanja> list
[17:38] <daftykins> hichamat: it would make far more sense to modify the apache site to put logs in the path beside the document root
[17:39] <lighta> hi guys, assuming I have mount /home from another disk how to I access the original mount (prior to the mount) again ?, (I remenber there was a command to do so)
[17:39] <hasanja> exit
[17:39] <daftykins> lighta: as in you mounted /home on top of your original /home by mistake?
[17:40] <etronik> Guys... why is Firefox all of a sudden not running either Flash or Java contents ? I'm trying to access legit streaming site tennistv.com, but besides the page header and footer, all I get is ever circulating hourglass....
[17:40] <hichamat> daftykins no I can't, I created a new user and add him to vsftpd list, then I create a symbolic link to /var/log/apache in the user home directory, When I connect via ftp I can see the symbolic link but I can't access
[17:40] <lighta> na daftykins but I think I got it : http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/49345/accessing-files-hidden-by-mounted-drive
[17:40] <daftykins> hichamat: can't or won't?
[17:40] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: wow
[17:40] <SirSkidmore> updated and it worked
[17:40] <SirSkidmore> thank you very much!
[17:40] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: :D
[17:40] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: glad it worked out :) my pleasure
[17:41] <hichamat> daftykins I must give read permission to the new user ?
[17:41] <daftykins> hichamat: i don't think changing permissions on /var/log is a good idea.
[17:41] <daftykins> here be many dragons
[17:42] <hichamat> dalekleader what is the solution, I just want to give a user FTP access to /var/log/apache only
[17:42] <netlar> SirSkidmore: Skidmore middle name?
[17:43] <daftykins> hichamat: like i said, reconfigure the site to put the logs in a path that user has access to - best method 100%.
[17:43]  * IAmNotARobot is away: I'm busy
[17:43] <hichamat> daftykins I can tell apache to put log in two folders ? so I keep /var/log/apache and add /home/newuser/apache
[17:44] <daftykins> yes
[17:45] <daftykins> it can log sites independantly
[17:45] <hichamat> daftykins ah so this is a good solution, now I will look how to change apache configuration :) thank you very much
[17:50] <XLV> fixed it.. for whomever is interested the updated custom added xorg conf file is http://pastebin.com/dK0vxmCy
[17:50] <XLV> probably the naming of outputs has changed in recent drivers or something
[17:50] <daftykins> XLV: for what issue?
[17:51] <XLV> daftykins, <XLV> the whole setup is as follows.. two NASes based on msi c847 mbs , celeron 847 cpus.. they output through vga to an old kvm unit that doesnt support storing edid info of monitor.. so i had the problem, when the system booted and the kvm wasnt switched to that pc, the res defaulted to 1024x768
<EMAIL_ADDRESS>quit with message: [Quit: leaving]
 with the above added conf file, i had it working.. now its broke again
 http://pastebin.com/hRu2CCdV this is the added conf i have added in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[17:53] <Samul`> hi guys
[17:53] <daftykins> hi
[17:53] <Samul`> I've got a problem with youtube flash player on firefox, ubuntu 15.04 64 bit
[17:53] <Samul`> the problem is:
[17:53] <daftykins> youtube's HTML5 player not working for you?
[17:54] <Samul`> when a video is running and I stop it, the video immediately stops, but the audio goes on for about half a second. when I play it again, the video goes on for about half a second without audio
[17:54] <Samul`> daftykins: I don't really like html5 player
[17:54] <Samul`> it's kinda laggy
[17:54] <daftykins> well flash is old and buggy so i'd not really expect anything to change
[17:54] <daftykins> you could test the guest session or a clean profile perhaps
[17:55] <Parabola> daftykins: would you say installing the 'xubuntu-desktop' package on an ubuntu install with unity removed is a bad idea?
[17:55] <daftykins> or maybe your graphics driver is sub-optimal
[17:55] <Samul`> OK I'mma try the html5 player
[17:55] <Samul`> since I've heard too many times that flash player is the past
[17:55] <daftykins> Parabola: depends how you removed unity
[17:55] <Parabola> fair point
[17:55] <Parabola> most likely incorrectly, purged the unity package, cleaned up obviously unity-something packages
[17:55] <daftykins> if you took all the packages mentioned in ubuntu-desktop and purged them, that'd be good
[17:56] <Samul`> one more thing that I'd like to know
[17:56] <daftykins> there are probably guides online that say how to do it properly though, i don't use desktop
[17:56] <Parabola> gotcha
[17:56] <Samul`> since on windows it was the default setting for firefox, I'd like to know how to do it on ubuntu:
[17:56] <Parabola> i didnt remove ubuntu-desktop for fear of breaking things :)
[17:56] <Samul`> in the url bar, I want the entire url to be selected upon click
[17:56] <daftykins> it's just a meta package.
[17:57] <Samul`> like I left click in the url bar, and the whole link gets selected so that I can copy or delete it
[17:57] <Samul`> how can I do that?
[17:57] <Samul`> guess I have something to do in the about:config page
[17:57] <surgy_> hello
[17:57] <Samul`> hi
[17:57] <vonsyd0w> Samul`, you could just double click to select all the text
[17:57] <surgy_> i just switched to gnome 3 which is awesome
[17:57] <irisk> Samul`: Ctrl+L
[17:57] <Samul`> that's not actually what I want
[17:58] <surgy_> but blender is not in the gnome panel. how do i fix this? i did install blender from the repos
[17:58] <daftykins> Samul`: i don't understand what you mean, nothing gets auto copied in FF on Windows for me
[17:58] <Samul`> I want the whole link to get selected upon single click
[17:58] <Samul`> I don't mean it gets copied
[17:58] <Samul`> but selected
[17:58] <Samul`> it turnes blue/orange
[17:58] <vonsyd0w> one more click will do it
[17:58] <irisk> ctrl+L selects -_-
[17:58] <Samul`> I know irisk
[17:58] <irisk> not copies
[17:58] <daftykins> must say i always use ctrl+L myself :>
[17:58] <Samul`> but I want it to get done upon click
[17:58] <daftykins> or click in then ctrl+A
[17:58] <irisk> perfectionist...
[17:59] <s_spiff> hey guys  I htave a discrete graphic card as well as a integrated
[17:59] <s_spiff> card
[17:59] <daftykins> s_spiff: ok...
[17:59] <s_spiff> both show up when I just enter lspci in the terminal
[17:59] <Samul`> heh daftykins, I don't feel comfortable if I have to do two things in order to get one done
[17:59] <stacks88> im not sure why, but for some reason in my sources.list at the bottom i have deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian trusty contrib , so i guess i have been getting virtualbox from them all along... now i commented it out, ran apt-get update;apt-cache search virtualbox and i see that its available under virtualbox-4.3 - Oracle VM VirtualBox , so what do you guys think i should do,
[17:59] <stacks88> keep using the download.virtualbox.org or should i just start using the one from ubuntu naturally? my sources.list has never changed except me adding that download.virtualbox.org line at the end of it
[17:59] <Parabola> daftykins: last question, i've got cinnamon on here atm, it appears that there are some GTK misisng packages, or just weirdness.. black borders, and the wallpaper settings dialog is missing resources, everything else appears to be okay
[17:59] <daftykins> Samul`: you must be very uncomfortable in front of a computer then ;)
[17:59] <s_spiff> but if i enter lspci | grep VGA, i get only integrated card showing up
[18:00] <Samul`> not actually
[18:00] <pwca> I accidentally removed something a lot of packages dependend on and now apt-get wants to autoremove a lot of packages. how can I fix this?
[18:00] <Samul`> I'm a coder (well kind of)
[18:00] <Samul`> but you know, if a thing can be done in one passage
[18:00] <Samul`> why should I do it in two, if it's the same result?
[18:00] <daftykins> s_spiff: right, so both lines don't have VGA in capitals in them...
[18:00] <daftykins> Parabola: sorry i'm not a desktop person.
[18:01] <s_spiff> daftykins, let me copy the output into pastebin
[18:01] <daftykins> s_spiff: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && lspci | pastebinit
[18:02] <s_spiff> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10980058/
[18:02] <Parabola> daftykins: right, i dont know how i forgot that.. i'm wondering if just reinstalling unity would put back any missing resources adn i just leave that DE there as well
[18:02] <daftykins> s_spiff: good lord that's a lot of spam
[18:02] <Parabola> not sure what the official recommendations are on having multiple DEs installed
[18:03] <s_spiff> daftykins, sorry, kind of new to this
[18:03] <daftykins> s_spiff: so what's your actual query? i see you have a broadwell machine with an AMD Radeon HD 8890M beside it
[18:03] <daftykins> so hybrid graphics.. laptop?
[18:04] <ioria> s_spiff, did you check in bios ?
[18:05] <daftykins> ioria: we don't even know the issue yet? :>
[18:05] <ioria> right
[18:06] <daftykins> however i spy with my little eye, nomodeset being used
[18:06] <s_spiff> daftykins, the ive been trying to install the propreitary drivers ft or the amd card since last night. most of the time when I try the catalyst center, it tells me the drivers are not installed. i'm not back on the open source driver. I'm trying to figure out why the system doesnt have the discrete graphic card running
[18:06] <hichamat> I don't understand what this command do mount --bind /var/log /home/user/log
[18:06] <s_spiff> ioria, i have "switchable" in bios. other option is UMA, which disables the discrete and has only the intel running
[18:06] <Parabola> hichamat: man mount.
[18:06] <daftykins> s_spiff: what kind of computer is this?
[18:06] <s_spiff> daftykins, a lenovo y40 notebook
[18:07] <daftykins> hrmm
[18:07] <daftykins> s_spiff: alright so which ubuntu version is this?
[18:07] <daftykins> "cat /etc/issue"
[18:07] <s_spiff> 14.04 LTS Trusty
[18:07] <s_spiff> daftykins, 14.04 LTS Trusty
[18:07] <daftykins> and have you at any point tried to load AMD drivers via installing the package 'fglrx' ?
[18:07] <hichamat> Parabola the same contents is accessible in two places, but I'm confused about permissions
[18:07] <mgolisch> when trying to install 15.04 i end up on a login screen instead of in the installer, any ideas?
[18:07] <s_spiff> daftykins, several times last night.
[18:08] <daftykins> s_spiff: ok run this please: "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" *THEN* "dpkg -l | grep fglrx | pastebinit"
[18:08] <s_spiff> daftykins, either by using the "additional Drivers" or by using the installer on amd'swebsite.
[18:08] <s_spiff> daftykins, ok
[18:09] <daftykins> s_spiff: the reason it's not working is you have nomodeset configured, you need to install a driver... then when you boot, hold left shift to get GRUB up... then try removing 'nomodeset'
[18:09] <s_spiff> daftykins, it says i'm trying to send an empty document for dpkg -l | grep fglrx | pastebinit
[18:09] <surgy_> when i switched to gnome 3 blender is not in the gnome panel. how do i fix this?
[18:09] <daftykins> ok no packages installed then
[18:10] <s_spiff> i guess because i've removed everything related to fglrx
[18:10] <daftykins> indeed!
[18:10] <daftykins> s_spiff: do you understand what i'm suggesting re: changing the GRUB boot options?
[18:10] <s_spiff> daftykins, i think so. let me disable nomodeset
[18:11] <daftykins> s_spiff: use the additional drivers program to throw fglrx back on, then reboot and try it by removing it for a one-time boot
[18:12] <s_spiff> daftykins, going to try it now. brb. thanks for the help!
[18:13] <daftykins> np
[18:13] <daftykins> weird something so new to be broadwell coming with AMD discrete 0o
[18:14] <s_spiff> daftykins, lenovo seems to be pushing out all their y series with amd discretes these days
[18:14] <s_spiff> brb time to reboot
[18:18] <ni886105> zzz
[18:20] <optik_9> are solid state drives writable or unwritable
[18:20] <s_spiff> daftykins, thanks! got it running. appreciate the help!
[18:21] <daftykins> s_spiff: great, you'll have to edit a file to permanently remove nomodeset from your kernel boot parameters
[18:21] <optik_9> can you be hacked using a solid state drive
[18:21] <daftykins> ...
[18:21] <bekks> optik_9: that sentence doesnt make any sense.
[18:22] <daftykins> optik_9: yes, you can be hacked running any form of disk storage :P
[18:22] <optik_9> well a website said that solid state drives are persistent
[18:22] <bekks> optik_9: Would be horrible if they werent persistent.
[18:22] <optik_9> kinda like once you put on your system to it you cant take it off
[18:22] <bekks> Thats not the meaning of "persistent".
[18:22] <optik_9> oh
[18:23] <bekks> They are as persistent as your legacy harddisks.
[18:23] <optik_9> okay i see
[18:23] <optik_9> so how does your tablet pcs keep the system installed for later installation without wiping that part of it out
[18:23] <optik_9> is it on a non writable disk
[18:24] <bekks> optik_9: ??
[18:25] <optik_9> can i just create a full operating system on a blueray non writable disk and run it out of ram and not get hacked since the disk is the os and the os is unwritable
[18:25] <optik_9> if i write my own os
[18:25] <optik_9> the only loophole is the ram
[18:25] <daftykins> no, because not getting hacked involves keeping software up to date
[18:25] <xangua> never heard or a linux distro on a blueray
[18:25] <daftykins> by having WORM boot media you can't update = you will get hacked more.
[18:25] <optik_9> hrm doubt it
[18:25] <daftykins> but your idea of getting hacked anyway is a very paranoid starting point for computing usage
[18:25] <XLV> optik_9, tablets have a recovery partition with initial OS files and settings, that one is write protected in regular use
[18:26] <daftykins> doubt what?
[18:26] <optik_9> why viruses are always popping up on the pc
[18:26] <XLV> optik_9, but its not unwritable. you can write it when you update the tablet's OS
[18:26] <optik_9> that a computer os i write is hackable
[18:26] <daftykins> viruses are very 90s
[18:26] <optik_9> there still around full time
[18:26] <kokut> Hello, anyone knows how to access the java control panel in ubuntu?
[18:26] <xangua> optik_9: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[18:26] <optik_9> yes is ubuntu a good os to use
[18:26] <optik_9> then i'll leave
[18:27] <Parabola> it depends on who you ask, and what your experience is
[18:28] <Parabola> thats like saying is a honda a good car.
[18:28] <Parabola> sure if you want a plastic appliance that has a low TCO.
[18:28] <Parabola> tldr; be smarter, ask a real question
[18:28] <bekks> Parabola: Which is a lie, as everyone knows it ;)
[18:28] <daftykins> optik_9: it is as long as you don't try to run it from optical media ;)
[18:28] <xangua> or from a blueray :P
[18:28] <hasa> exit
[18:29] <Parabola> i personally don't like ubuntu, i spend my work days supporting RHEL and CentOS, so anything outside of the way they do things is likely to annoy me
[18:29] <Parabola> if you want a distro with a wide desktop user base, this is it
[18:29] <daftykins> it's called bluray
[18:29] <Parabola> technically its blu-ray
[18:29] <daftykins> hey as long as there's no 'e' i'm happy
[18:29] <daftykins> ;D
[18:30] <Parabola> hehe
[18:30] <Parabola> daftykins: so i know you dont care, but installed xubuntu-desktop, removed a bunch of junk and it seems to be "ok" so far
[18:30] <daftykins> good stuff
[18:30] <daftykins> obviously in future you can just get direct media
[18:31] <Parabola> yeah, i realized that after i did all this :)
[18:31] <daftykins> i figured you didn't want to reinstall
[18:31] <Parabola> i really dont want to deal with the fakeraid again no
[18:31] <Parabola> granted, it would take considerably less time now since i know what shortcomings or oversights have occured and how to get around them
[18:32] <Parabola> like not loading any raid drivers into the initramfs images when the install was done to a raid array
[18:32] <xangua> Parabola: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/pure-ubuntu-15-04/
[18:32] <Parabola> ha thats awesome, thanks!
[18:32] <xangua> there ir a factoid for that, but the links are outdated
[18:32] <xangua> !purexfce
[18:33] <theRealGent> Why can I not apt-get install ffmpeg on 12.04?
[18:33] <audia5> anyone who uses chromebook
[18:33] <xangua> oh that's only for "pure ubuntu/unity" sorry Parabola
[18:33] <Parabola> no worries, still bookmarked
[18:33] <Parabola> theRealGent: i dont know you tell us, you're the guy with the error message.. learn to ask a question
[18:33] <petrvs> theRealGent: should be able to, from security repo?
[18:34] <petrvs> audia5: sure
[18:34] <theRealGent> Parabola, well it seems to not exist.
[18:34] <Parabola> theRealGent: apt-cache search ffmpeg
[18:34] <Parabola> or, if thats too specific depending on what they named it
[18:34] <Parabola> apt-cache search mpeg |grep -i ff
[18:34] <audia5> petrvs: i am on acer chromebook terminal and i want to boot from usb
[18:35] <theRealGent> Parabola, libav-tools shows up. But I have that installed but no ffmpeg command.
[18:35] <daftykins> afaiui since some version ffmpeg got booted out in place of avconv or whatever it's called
[18:35] <theRealGent> Ubuntu's situation with ffmpeg/h264 is pretty screwed up.
[18:35] <daftykins> theRealGent: ^
[18:35] <audia5> petrvs sudo crossystem dev_boot_usb=1  is this correct
[18:35] <Parabola> first google result https://gist.github.com/xdamman/e4f713c8cd1a389a5917
[18:35] <theRealGent> daftykins, yes! Thank you!
[18:36] <audia5> petrvs: do you know how to boot chromebook from usb
[18:36] <petrvs> audia5: which chromebook is it?
[18:36] <daftykins> audia5: chromebooks require a little hacking to run ubuntu, plenty of guides online if you search for your model
[18:36] <Parabola> damnit, it uninstalled pidgin
[18:37] <audia5> petrvs: iam acer  chromebook
[18:37] <petrvs> audia5: which one?
[18:37] <audia5> c720
[18:37] <petrvs> audia5: you're in luck, I have that very chromebook
[18:37] <daftykins> haha.
[18:37] <petrvs> let me find those instructions I saved
[18:37] <audia5> k
[18:38] <petrvs> audia5: http://dpaste.com/35A2NCJ.txt
[18:38] <irisk> hey, can java applets run on ubuntu?
[18:39] <petrvs> irisk: yup
[18:39] <irisk> on chromium?
[18:39] <irisk> it's not working
[18:39] <petrvs> most likely
[18:39] <petrvs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[18:39] <irisk> what do I have to do?
[18:39] <daftykins> you'd have to find a working java plugin for chrome, they dropped NPAPI so there'd have to be an alternative
[18:39] <daftykins> might only be doable with FF
[18:39] <audia5> petrvs ohh do i need to screw on it
[18:40] <petrvs> audia5: well, if you want to do a proper install, yes
[18:40] <petrvs> audia5: it's really not that bad, especially if you have my instructions
[18:40] <irisk> i don't like FF
[18:40] <daftykins> we don't support non-native installs here :)
[18:40] <daftykins> irisk: well, you may not have a choice
[18:40] <petrvs> irisk: why not?
[18:40] <irisk> it's ugly
[18:41] <daftykins> lets deal in absolutes rather than personal opinions :)
[18:41] <irisk> plus,
[18:41] <audia5> petrvs  can i  not just boot from usb on chroomebook i have bootable usb
[18:41] <irisk> it doesn't have mobile emulation
[18:41] <irisk> for webdev
[18:41] <theRealGent> Damn is it complicated to merge two video files with a utility like avconv..
[18:41] <petrvs> audia5: I think you can, but there are various things you won't be able to do without the full process
[18:41] <petrvs> theRealGent: it kind of is these days
[18:41] <petrvs> it used to be simple, but they changed it
[18:42] <petrvs> mkvmerge from mkvtoolnix makes it real simple
[18:42] <petrvs> mkvmerge -o new old1 + old2
[18:42] <petrvs> ask #ffmpeg about their own ways
[18:42] <petrvs> irisk: it looks however you want it, and yes, it has mobile emulation
[18:43] <petrvs> which you don't actually need, but it has anyway
[18:43] <xangua> irisk: have you check firefox developer edition¿
[18:43] <irisk> i have the standard one which comes with ubuntu
[18:43] <petrvs> that one has "mobile emulation"
[18:44] <irisk> well, there are some extensions that i have
[18:44] <irisk> that i cannot manage without
[18:44] <irisk> that are not on FF
[18:45] <daftykins> look, regardless of your preference you may have issues finding a java plugin for chrome, so have a look at that first
[18:45] <irisk> yess,
[18:45] <irisk> ofc
[18:45] <petrvs> irisk: that's not the worst reason I ever heard
[18:45] <petrvs> though they're probably all available for Firefox, heh
[18:45] <theRealGent> petrvs, this is INSANE. Apparently there's a "fake" ffmpeg in libav, and a real ffmpeg from Ffmpeg. And the only resources i can find on how to install ffmpeg is to compile from source, and it requires a metric fuckton of libraries and dependencies. How is there not a package for this/
[18:45] <petrvs> theRealGent: there is
[18:45] <theRealGent> I used to advise Ubuntu to most people to avoid issues like these..
[18:45] <theRealGent> petrvs, I did an apt-cache search and couldnt find this package?
[18:45] <daftykins> theRealGent: #1 don't use that language here please, #2 i'm sure you can find a PPA where it's already compiled for you
[18:46] <petrvs> theRealGent: well, it's an issue inherited from Debian, and a lot of issues fell into the trap recently
[18:46] <theRealGent> daftykins, my apologies.
[18:46] <petrvs> theRealGent: that's another problem, it's available for 12.04
[18:46] <petrvs> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&keywords=ffmpeg
[18:46] <ioria> theRealGent, have you tried the .deb http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/all/ffmpeg/download
[18:46] <jiggerypokery> I'm running 15.04 and every time I try to run yum install on a virtualbox guest my entire computer freezes
[18:47] <jiggerypokery> anyone got any ideas?
[18:47] <petrvs> jiggerypokery: what kind of hardware?
[18:47] <theRealGent> petrvs apt-get complains there is no installation candidate.
[18:47] <jiggerypokery> Intel i7 processor 16 gigs of ram
[18:48] <daftykins> sounds like an IO issue to me
[18:48] <OerHeks> jiggerypokery, yum in an Ubuntu vm?
[18:48] <Pandorian> where is the .icons dir in ubuntu 15?
[18:48] <bekks> jiggerypokery: Show us a complete dmesg output please - I already asked you that in #vbox for three times.
[18:48] <Pandorian> cant find where i'm supposed to move the icons
[18:49] <jiggerypokery> its a centos vm on ubuntu host
[18:49] <theRealGent> petrvs, is there something special Im supposed to do for this? use a different version of ubuntu? modify my sources.list?
[18:49] <jiggerypokery> bekks: This is awkward because that is the complete output I really don't know what to do about it
[18:49] <theRealGent> ioria, shouldnt that be available from my package manager?
[18:50] <petrvs> theRealGent: not that I'm aware of
[18:50] <bekks> jiggerypokery: So whats the output of "dmesg | wc -l"?
[18:50] <kickit2> Hey everyone - using arno-iptables-firewall on a machine that routes ALL traffic though a VPN.  no matter how I define their start order under rd*.d, arno always starts first and then gives an error about tun0 not existing yet.  Is there another area that would start the firewall earlier than is defined in rc?
[18:50] <ioria> theRealGent, be removed, i think
[18:50] <bekks> little character l, not one.
[18:50] <petrvs> theRealGent: says security repo, all I know
[18:50] <stacks88> are config files ever likely to actually be in /usr/share ? or is /usr/share just like where read only copies go or something? Cauuse i see there is /etc/powerdns/pdns.conf and im pretty sure /etc/powerdns/pdns.conf is the real config file .. its just that there is /usr/share/pdns-server/pdns.conf and stuff like that
[18:51] <ioria> theRealGent, it was deprecated in 14 and reintalled in 15 if i'm not wrong
[18:51] <jiggerypokery> 983 bekks
[18:51] <kickit2> start order MUST be networking, openvpn, firewall - right now its networking, firewall, openvpn
[18:51] <petrvs> he's on 12
[18:52] <theRealGent> Sorry, Im on 14.04 LTS
[18:52] <theRealGent> I'm still thinking back to the days of 12.04 LTS xD
[18:52] <ioria> theRealGent, you saind 12.04
[18:52] <ioria> ok
[18:52] <theRealGent> ioria, I was wrong and I apologize.
[18:52] <ioria> theRealGent, you can build from source, then
[18:52] <Pandorian> does anyone have any idea where the .icons folder in ubuntu 15 is?
[18:52] <theRealGent> ioria, I was really hoping to avoid doing that. The instructions are like an entire wiki in itself.
[18:53] <petrvs> theRealGent: libav should work the same if that's all you can get simply
[18:53] <daftykins> theRealGent: so you can _still_ look for an ffmpeg PPA as i mentioned earlier
[18:53] <theRealGent> daftykins, I'll give that a try.
[18:53] <ioria> theRealGent, no, it's a configure  , and make (don't reccomedn the make install) if a remember well
[18:53] <petrvs> part of what makes libav superfluous is that it works about the same
[18:53] <petrvs> :p
[18:53] <theRealGent> petrvs, I've been trying to use avconv but from what I can see online it uses slightly different arguments.
[18:54] <theRealGent> For video concatenation, which is what I want to do.
[18:54] <theRealGent> ffmpeg seems to have this nice feature where you can just -i "input" a bunch of files and spit out an output.
[18:54] <theRealGent> avconv requires some -concat:"file|file|file" syntax with a bunch of filters regarding decoders and other things I've never researched or understood.
[18:55] <petrvs> theRealGent: they're both like that now
[18:55] <petrvs> you're comparing old ffmpeg and new ffmpeg/libav
[18:55] <petrvs> alas :p
[18:55] <petrvs> the old way was far simpler
[18:55] <petrvs> I'm not sure the old way is 100% unsupported, or if the docs for it are just obliterated
[18:55] <petrvs> #ffmpeg would know
[18:55] <ioria> theRealGent, however there is a ppa
[18:56] <jiggerypokery> daftykins: were you talking to me when you said you thought it was an io issue?
[18:56] <SirSkidmore> daftykins: just got everything installed and I'm up and running
[18:56] <SirSkidmore> thanks again for the help
[18:56] <kickit2> Is there a way to make startup sit and wait until a network connection is established?  It starts it and then continues on right now, and that causes errors (as the connection isn't complete)
[18:56] <theRealGent> petrvs, glad to see we're moving forward. /s
[18:56] <petrvs> theRealGent: heh, it's possible I just forgot the old way, too
[18:56] <xangua> kickit2: you can add a delay
[18:56] <petrvs> theRealGent: you tried ffmpeg -i foo -i bar -map 0 -c copy baz ?
[18:57] <kickit2> xangua: and where is that delay specified?
[18:57] <surgy_> i installed blender on ubuntu unity. and then i decided unity is worthless  so i installed gnome 3. now blender is not in my launcher. i have restarted gnome several times. and blender is in my /usr/share/applications folder
[18:57] <daftykins> jiggerypokery: yup
[18:57] <daftykins> SirSkidmore: cool :)
[18:58] <theRealGent> petrvs, yes. I'm not following the method in the ffmpeg wiki with -i concat: and it sorta works-ish. The output video is shorter than expected and hangs on one frame at the end for the rest of the video.
[18:59] <petrvs> yeah I couldn't even get it to work
[18:59] <petrvs> talk to #ffmpeg
[18:59] <xangua> kickit2: first google result http://www.howtogeek.com/189995/how-to-manage-startup-applications-in-ubuntu-14.04/
[18:59] <theRealGent> lol this is ad.
[18:59] <theRealGent> sad*
[18:59] <petrvs> it's sad in a way
[18:59] <petrvs> but ffmpeg is always being developed, and this happens
[18:59] <petrvs> always being developed is good
[19:00] <jiggerypokery> daftykins: possibly, sometimes after the freezes when I restart I get internal error reports that mention paging issues.
[19:00] <surgy_> i installed blender on ubuntu unity. and then i decided unity is worthless  so i installed gnome 3. now blender is not in my launcher. i have restarted gnome several times. and blender is in my /usr/share/applications folder
[19:00] <petrvs> it's unfortunate they don't put a little more thought into future proofed syntax and change only the backend, though, ,heh
[19:00] <kickit2> xangua: This system is a server - and I'm not talking about applications after login, im talking about adding delays to system services startups.. for instance, delay 5 seconds after starting the networking service.
[19:00] <jiggerypokery> would that be consistent? (I am really out of my depth here)
[19:00] <daftykins> jiggerypokery: you're not using old hard disks on that machine perhaps? for either OS or VM storage?
[19:00] <xangua> kickit2: oh sourry, you can also ask in #ubuntu-server they might be more helpful than IO
[19:00] <xangua> than I
[19:00] <vonsyd0w> jiggerypokery, what kind of resources did you allocate to your VM?
[19:01] <kickit2> xangua: thanks - ill try that
[19:03] <jiggerypokery> it is an ssd
[19:03] <theRealGent> petrvs, so what is up with this libav avconv ffmpeg real and fake stuff?
[19:03] <surgy_> http://www.pasteall.org/pic/87693
[19:05] <petrvs> theRealGent: oh it's a long story, but if you can easily get libav and not ffmpeg, you should be fine until you can easily get ffmpeg again
[19:06] <jiggerypokery> vonsyd0w: 1 gig ram 1cpu but that same config works fine on my OSX machine
[19:08] <irisk> okay, i installed icedTea for jnlp from the software center. web start still not working
[19:08] <irisk> on FF
[19:08] <pgulley> Hey! I've got a package installation question. Is this the right place for it?
[19:08] <Pandorian> does anyone have any idea where the .icons folder in ubuntu 15 is?
[19:09] <Pandorian> or why it has disappeared?
[19:10] <xangua> Pandorian: there has never been an /.icons directoy in home if that's what you ask, you need to create it first
[19:10] <pgulley> I'm on chrubuntu, trying to install the nvidia-cuda-toolkit package via apt-get, but am getting a "no installation candidate" error.
[19:10] <Pandorian> oh yea? i see
[19:11] <Pandorian> thanks
[19:12] <jiggerypokery> daftykins: The machine has an NFS mounted drive, could that be related?
[19:12] <jiggerypokery> I am totally out of my depth and don't know where to begin debugging this
[19:14] <s_spiff> daftykins, turns out remove nomodeset breaks hibernate recovery. So now it's either choose between amd drivers or hibernate. :/
[19:22] <surgy_> why isnt blender in the gnome3 panel????
[19:23] <c0mr88> Hello.
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> theRealGent, you will be happy to know that ffmpeg was restored in 15.04
[19:26] <theRealGent> pragmaticenigma, that does make me quite happy :)
[19:26] <ioria> ^_^
[19:28] <c0mr88> I am running Ubuntu 14.04.2 64 bit Desktop on an HP ProLiant ML110 G6 Server on VMware Workstation 8 and I gave it 4GB of RAM and 150GB of HDD space and it still runs slow and laggy.
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> c0mr88, did you give it enough CPUs to work with? what about video ram (if this is a GUI install)
[19:31] <surgy_> nevermind i found the solution. thnx for everything....
[19:31] <jiggerypokery> I am at my wits end
[19:33] <fabiusp98> Hi
[19:34] <samuel706> Hi all, im very new to irc. Is there a way to remove the info for ppl entering and exiting the channel?
[19:35] <xangua> that depends on your irc client samuel706
[19:35] <_guest_> whats a good software similar to windows movie maker?
[19:35] <samuel706> pidgin
[19:36] <xangua> tools, plugins and enable the "hide join/leave" plugin samuel706
[19:36] <daftykins> s_spiff: heh, i never touch hibernation personally
[19:36] <xangua> tools, addons I believe in english, spanish here
[19:36] <samuel706> awesome, thank you!
[19:38] <Johnny_Linux> Movie maker replacements:  http://www.osalt.com/movie-maker
[19:38] <fabiusp98> For video editor http://www.pitivi.org/
[19:38] <cleber> Ola
[19:39] <samuel706> Works like a champ, I kept thinking it was some command for freenode.
[19:39] <fabiusp98> ola cleber, esto es un canal ingles
[19:40] <cleber> hello
[19:42] <boogie_> Could someone please walk me through installing flash player on 12.04? I've done it 20 times but this time I'm having lots of trouble.
[19:43] <boogie_> I used to use pepper flash, but it's not there anymore.
[19:43] <boogie_> Do I need to add a new repository?
[19:44] <fabiusp98> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer this shuld work
[19:44] <streulma> hello, I checked yesterday /sys/class/power and my computer stays always on battery. In the Power tool, AC adapter is online and battery is detected.
[19:47] <boogie_> Could someone please walk me through installing flash player on 12.04? I've done it 20 times but this time I'm having lots of trouble. I used to use pepper flash, but it's not there anymore. Do I need to add a new repository?
[19:48] <ZeZu> i think it's just called flashinstaller now or something, but idk haven't used 12.04 in a while
[19:48] <bekks> boogie_: Pepperflash is shipped by Chrome.
[19:51] <boogie_> Does chrome work as well as chromium now?
[19:51] <boogie_> If so, I can just install chrome
[19:51] <petrvs> as well for what?
[19:51] <ZeZu> chrome has worked for a long time
[19:52] <bekks> For longer than chromium :)
[19:52] <boogie_> General use. When chrome was just coming out it worked like crap so I stuck with chromium.
[19:52] <xangua> google chrome is based on chromium boogie_
[19:52] <vonsyd0w> its always worked in my case, chrome that is
[19:52] <petrvs> ah
[19:52] <ZeZu> i think that's backwards
[19:52] <ZeZu> just FYI
[19:52] <Lazik> na I remember, at first you could only run chromium
[19:52] <boogie_> Well, everything says chrome comes with flash now.
[19:52] <petrvs> dunno about that
[19:52] <bekks> Chromium is based on Chrome.
[19:52] <petrvs> but <shrug>
[19:53] <ZeZu> whether you could run it or not,  Chrome was first
[19:53] <Lazik> I always apt-get chromium now
[19:53] <petrvs> boogie_: it does, you can use flash with any browser, though
[19:53] <boogie_> But I dont have flash, but I have chromium. Is there a difference
[19:53] <ioria> boogie_, "    but it's not there anymore."  what you mean ?
[19:53] <Lazik> na chrome is based off chromium
[19:53] <bekks> Lazik: No.
[19:53] <vonsyd0w> yes it is
[19:53] <vonsyd0w> look it up
[19:53] <samuel706> what lazik said
[19:53] <bekks> boogie_: Chromium is stripped down.
[19:53] <petrvs> boogie_: Chromium should be superior overall
[19:53] <petrvs> since it's not build by Google goofs
[19:53] <xangua> boogie_: google chrome ships with propietary stuff
[19:53] <petrvs> built*
[19:53]  * ZeZu yawns
[19:54] <boogie_> When I search the ubuntu softwware center it only has the adobe flash for firefox
[19:54]  * petrvs yawns more better
[19:54] <ioria> boogie_, it's non free
[19:54] <ZeZu> indeed
[19:54] <petrvs> boogie_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Flash
[19:54] <boogie_> So how then could i install flash?
[19:54] <boogie_> Ty
[19:54] <ZeZu> boogie_, it'll do it for you
[19:55] <boogie_> Already tried that
[19:55] <boogie_> Its already chaecked
[19:55] <ZeZu> purge everything flash related, purge chrome, purge chromium
[19:55] <ioria> boogie_,  try sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[19:55] <streulma> Bay Trail :)
[19:56] <ZeZu> then retry from a repo install for chrome itself
[19:56] <streulma> who is working with Baytrail ?
[19:56] <streulma> wo has the Asus X205TA ?
[19:56] <bekks> streulma: Whats the specific ubuntu support question behind your polls?
[19:56] <boogie_> said command not fouind. Should i put apt-get in there?
[19:56] <streulma> bekks, acpi 5.0 :)
[19:57] <streulma> my question is that power management not works good
[19:57] <bekks> streulma: Thats a statement, not a question.
[19:57] <Cydrobolt> hi
[19:57] <streulma> ho can I solve bekks ?
[19:57] <xangua> boogie_: so you did install pepperflashplugin-nonfree to begin with¿
[19:57] <Cydrobolt> one of my applications is stuck on HDMI audio
[19:57] <streulma> bekks  I checked yesterday /sys/class/power and my computer stays always on battery. In the Power tool, AC adapter is online and battery is detected.
[19:58] <Cydrobolt> I'm trying to change the audio output to analog audio
[19:58] <Cydrobolt> but it is stuck on hdmi and won't move
[19:58] <Cydrobolt> hdmi cord is unplugged, obviously, so there is no output from there
[19:58] <Cydrobolt> all other applications work fine
[19:58] <Cydrobolt> but java doesn't have audio
[19:59] <bekks> streulma: and whats the issue with that?
[19:59] <ZeZu> Cydrobolt,  applications very rarely control such things,  generally ALSA configures everything ...
[19:59] <Cydrobolt> yeah
[19:59] <Cydrobolt> it won't let me change the output, however
[19:59] <streulma> bekks shows always battery icon. In power tool AC adapter is recognised as Online, Time is showed when on battery efective
[19:59] <ZeZu> what won't?
[20:00] <Cydrobolt> the audio output of all the other apps can be changed just fine, but Java's sound output is stuck ZeZu (in pavucontrol)
[20:00] <boogie_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10980796/
[20:00] <bekks> streulma: I do nderstand that, but whats the issue at that point? How does it affect whatever you are doing?
[20:00] <boogie_> Here is the outcome of my attempts
[20:00] <bekks> *do understand
[20:00] <ioria> boogie_,  in synaptic is present
[20:00] <ZeZu> oh java ... fun,  idk about that never had any issues,  perhaps switch to another java
[20:00] <ZeZu> like Sun Java
[20:00] <boogie_> ioria how do I check?
[20:00] <streulma> bekks, ah, it's no isue ?
[20:01] <Cydrobolt> well
[20:01] <Cydrobolt> it worked fine before
[20:01] <ZeZu> (i'm guessing it defaults to a free/free java runtime)
[20:01] <ioria> boogie_,  open it and type pepper
[20:01] <Cydrobolt> after I plugged in my HDMI cord, it died
[20:01] <Cydrobolt> before it was fine :/
[20:01] <bekks> streulma: Thats what I am asking you. How does it affect whatever you are doing?
[20:01] <ioria> boogie_,  non free, not source
[20:01] <ZeZu> so it switched over and won't switch back huh?  thats lame
[20:01] <boogie_> ioria I find nothing when searching for synaptic
[20:02] <ZeZu> I don't think synaptic is in main anymore
[20:02] <xangua> (14:57:46) xangua: boogie_: so you did install pepperflashplugin-nonfree to begin with¿
[20:02] <ioria> boogie_,  are you 14.04 ?
[20:02] <boogie_> 12.04
[20:02] <k1l_> boogie_: oh its a 12.04?
[20:02] <streulma> bekks I'll try again, better to install 15.04 or 14.04 ?
[20:02] <boogie_> Yep
[20:02] <bekks> streulma: 14.04
[20:02] <Cydrobolt> ZeZu, yeah, switched and won't switch back
[20:02] <ioria> boogie_,  well... i think is different :-)
[20:02] <boogie_> lol
[20:03] <boogie_> Iv e never had a problem because pepper was always there now its not smh
[20:03] <ZeZu> Cydrobolt, you'll have to see if someone else knows
[20:03] <Cydrobolt> :/
[20:04] <ZeZu> actually
[20:04] <ZeZu> purge the java runtime and install again ...
[20:04] <k1l> boogie_: install flashplugin-downloader
[20:04] <ZeZu> if it's just setting it should work
[20:04] <ZeZu> note: purge != remove
[20:05] <ioria> boogie_,  i  don't even remember if there was
[20:05] <ZeZu> remove won't kill all package settings
[20:09] <nicomachus> hi guys, I'm getting an error when I try to do package updates that says "The package system is broken"
[20:09] <nicomachus> Pretty much the same as this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2239327
[20:09] <nicomachus> OP doesn't say what his solution was though
[20:10] <k1l> nicomachus: please pastebin the output of "sudo apt update &&sudo apt full-upgrade"
[20:10] <nicomachus> output of apt-get update: paste.ubuntu.com/10980846/
[20:10] <boogie_> ioria do i add sudo apt-get in front of install flashplugin-downloader?
[20:11] <boogie_> ioria yeah i think this is gonna work
[20:11] <nicomachus> output of sudo apt full-upgrade: paste.ubuntu.com/10980850
[20:12] <boogie_> gonna restart my browser
[20:12] <kk0710> Hey guys I am thinking I might need a new router  Any recommendations of something that won't break the bank but will not cause me problems across multiple machies and operating systems? currently I have a linksys wrt120n
[20:13] <nicomachus> output of sudo apt-get -f install: paste.ubuntu.com/10980860
[20:13] <petrvs> kk0710: whatever's cheapest at walmart
[20:14] <kk0710> lol any other opinions?
[20:14] <kk0710> honestly I would just keep the wrt120n if it hadn't gotten screwedup with the firmware update
[20:15] <nicomachus> kk0710: who is your isp, what kind of speeds do you get, do any of your machines that will use the network support 802.11ac?
[20:15] <petrvs> wrt120n is what, $40?
[20:15] <petrvs> get something for $40 at walmart, then
[20:15] <kk0710> I have time warner
[20:15] <petrvs> the cheapest aren't much cheaper than that
[20:15] <petrvs> maybe 30
[20:15] <tedward>  #xps13
[20:15] <nicomachus> hahaha ok then, doesn't matter what you get.
[20:16] <petrvs> kk0710: time warner is irrelevant...
[20:16] <kk0710> some one asked me who I had petrvs
[20:16] <nicomachus> petrvs: if he has a fiber gbit connection, then AC might be something to think about.
[20:16] <kk0710> I loved my linksys stupid freaking firwmare update though and now I lose connection
[20:16] <k1l> nicomachus: try to change the mirror
[20:16] <petrvs> kk0710: ah =)
[20:16] <kk0710> if I could reset the firmware I would just do that
[20:16] <petrvs> can't you?
[20:16] <petrvs> no pin-hole button?
[20:16] <kk0710> I have old linksys routers I could throw on
[20:17] <kk0710> petrvs: that doesn't reset the firmware though
[20:17] <nicomachus> k1l: change the mirror?
[20:17] <audia5> petrvs: i am running chroome from usb with usb stick stil dunno how to install
[20:17] <nicomachus> kk0710: can't update the firmware through your network options?
[20:18] <kk0710> it is the most updated firmware
[20:18] <k1l> nicomachus: see at the systemsettings: software and updates
[20:18] <nicomachus> ah. bummer.
[20:18] <kk0710> I was having major problems on my ubuntu boot on my laptop with the realtek wireless
[20:18] <kk0710> I finally seemed to get things working with a backports fix
[20:18] <petrvs> audia5: I gave you the most explicit instructions you'll find anywhere
[20:19] <kk0710> but then the guy responded to my bug report and told me to update the firmware on my router, so I did.  Suddenly the problems came back ten fold.
[20:19] <audia5> petrvs yes thank you
[20:19] <kk0710> I reset the router and now I just lose my connection on all my devices it seems.
[20:20] <nicomachus> k1l: I switched from US Server to Main Server, error persists.
[20:20] <ubuntu-studio> how do i make my own server
[20:21] <audia5> going to sleep mode
[20:23] <tedward> anyone have suspend problems wint ubuntu 15.04?
[20:23] <nicomachus> tedward: elaborate
[20:23] <VFDPrim> afternoon all
[20:24] <k1l> nicomachus: "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*" then "sudo apt update &&sudo apt full-upgrade"
[20:24] <tedward> it appears to be random, sometimes works just fine, sometimes when it comes out capslock key will be blinking and the system unresponsive, laptop is the dell xps 13 2015
[20:24] <VFDPrim> any one elce having an issue with upgrade to 15.4
[20:25] <nicomachus> k1l: 'rm: cannot remove '/var/lib/apt/lists/partial': is a directory'
[20:25] <k1l> sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[20:26] <VFDPrim> I keep getting this wehn i try to upgrade any help is welcom
[20:26] <VFDPrim> Checking package manager
[20:26] <VFDPrim> Reading package lists... Done
[20:26] <VFDPrim> Building dependency tree
[20:26] <VFDPrim> Reading state information... Done
[20:26] <VFDPrim> Building data structures... Done
[20:26] <VFDPrim> Calculating the changes
[20:26] <VFDPrim> Calculating the changes
[20:26] <k1l> !paste | VFDPrim
[20:26] <tedward> VFDPrim, suince I did a nuke and pave to put on 15.04 not sure if that counts as upgrading
[20:27] <tortal_> so, let's say i installed eclipse in /opt, then added alias to it. was that a reasonable solution ? or should i add the eclipse bin patj to some PATH env ?
[20:27] <nicomachus> k1l: same unmet dependencies error. recommends -f
[20:27] <nicomachus> -f still gives same errors.
[20:27] <k1l> nicomachus: so you use ppas?
[20:27] <nicomachus> yes
[20:27] <k1l> ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[20:28] <VFDPrim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10980937/
[20:28] <tedward> alias will work tortal, but if you are concern you could make a symbolic link to the binary to the bin directory of your choice
[20:28] <k1l> VFDPrim: what gives you "lsb_release -d"?
[20:29] <nicomachus> k1l: output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10980945
[20:29] <VFDPrim> ill post the hole thing from comand to upgrade
[20:29] <VFDPrim> one sec
[20:29] <tortal_> teward: about that - will it not make the folder of the package managers "dirty" ?
[20:29] <k1l> nicomachus: so any ppa is interfering with that packages?
[20:29] <tortal_> teward: will a symbolic link in usr/local be reasonable ?
[20:29] <tedward> it will in some senses, but I can't think of a problem it would cause, though if anyone knows better please say so
[20:30] <VFDPrim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10980952/
[20:30] <nicomachus> k1l: not that I can see
[20:30] <tedward> as long as usr/local is in your $PATH
[20:30] <k1l> VFDPrim: please show in a paste the log in /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[20:31] <tedward> tortal is ecllipse not in the repos?
[20:31] <VFDPrim> k1l what you mean
[20:31] <VFDPrim> what code i gave it to do that
[20:32] <k1l> VFDPrim: see in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ there should be logs from the failed upgrade. please paste that so we can have a look what is blocking
[20:32] <tortal_> tedward: greeat, thanks
[20:32] <VFDPrim> how do i pull that up
[20:32] <tedward> your welcome
[20:33] <VFDPrim> sorry kinda dumb when it comes to the terminal
[20:33] <nicomachus> k1l: you won't believe it... apparently running sudo apt-get clean fixed the problem.
[20:33] <nicomachus> VFDPrim: run this: cd /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[20:33] <nicomachus> then: ls
[20:34] <nicomachus> the files that show up are the logs
[20:34] <nicomachus> not sure which one k1l wants
[20:34] <VFDPrim> lshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/10980976/
[20:35] <k1l> VFDPrim: 20150503-1525
[20:36] <VFDPrim> k1l what do you want me to do i put that into the term and it did nothing
[20:36] <nicomachus> VFDPrim: as long as you're still in the same terminal, type: gedit 20150503-1525
[20:37] <nicomachus> should open a text window of the log. copy/paste
[20:37] <k1l> VFDPrim: ok. to explain again: that file is the log which will tell us what is blocking your system from updateing (i bet its a ppa package but we need to know which one). so either you look inside that and fix it yourself or you provide us the file in a pastebin
[20:37] <VFDPrim> told me to check and make sure location was correct
[20:38] <k1l> 20150503-... is a directory. you will need to "cd" to that and then look into the log files in there
[20:38] <helpmoe> hi
[20:38] <helpmoe> Help me please
[20:38] <VFDPrim> k1l im trying to do what you say so you can help however i need as lamen as you can get i am sorry
[20:38] <nicomachus> helpmoe: ask your question.
[20:39] <helpmoe> I downloaded ubuntu desktop
[20:39] <helpmoe> and burned it on usb
[20:39] <Vapoor> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Steam-for-Linux-Usage-Drops-Dramatically-in-April-It-s-Now-Under-1-479973.shtml
[20:39] <helpmoe> it seems like it installed on usb
[20:39] <helpmoe> LOL
[20:39] <nicomachus> Vapoor: #ubuntu-offtopic may like that
[20:40] <EriC^^> helpmoe: that's a live session, to try ubuntu before installing or fix an installation
[20:40] <helpmoe> yeah i know that
[20:40] <helpmoe> wait
[20:40] <helpmoe> i did the installer
[20:40] <helpmoe> and it said restart
[20:40] <helpmoe> then gave me some boot error
[20:40] <helpmoe> :/
[20:40] <Vapoor> good job linux community if everyone was playing games who would develop linux then?
[20:40] <nicomachus> helpmoe: yea, when you restart you need to pull the USB out.
[20:40] <k1l> VFDPrim: "cd 20150503...." then "sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit main.log"
[20:41] <helpmoe> there we go
[20:41] <Vapoor> and why was a kicked?
[20:41] <helpmoe> lemme try
[20:41] <nicomachus> lol
[20:42] <VFDPrim> k1l messed up so starting it over let me get back to it real fast
[20:45] <kat> guys, i had to clean install and get minecraft downloaded again. BUT, you have to "open" minecraft with openjdk7 or something like that, and I can't find it in my applications.
[20:46] <kat> It's just not on top of the list like it usually is.
[20:46] <OerHeks> kat see the !java facoid
[20:46] <OerHeks> !java
[20:46] <bekks> kat: you have to start it like this: java -jar yourfile.jar
[20:47] <kat> and then what?
[20:48] <VFDPrim> K1l this is where im at now http://paste.ubuntu.com/10981032/
[20:49] <kat> bekks it says "command not found"
[20:49] <bekks> kat: So you have to install java.
[20:49] <k1l> VFDPrim: yep, do it (without the last ")
[20:50] <VFDPrim> k1l: just sits there like this >
[20:50] <kat> when I was clean installing, I saw it get installed. maybe?
[20:50] <k1l> VFDPrim: press ctrl+c to abort. then "sudo apt-get install pastebinit"
[20:50] <kat> so what should i install?
[20:50] <tedward> kat type "locate java" in a terminal
[20:50] <kat> ok
[20:51] <nicomachus> whoa, tedward, you can do that?
[20:51] <k1l> VFDPrim: if that is done: pastebinit main.log
[20:51] <k1l> then provide the url
[20:51] <nicomachus> locate xxxxx?
[20:51] <tedward> nicomachus, sure
[20:51] <nicomachus> that's amazing. wish I knew that when I was searching high and low for the xorg.conf
[20:51] <tedward> it is handy
[20:51] <kat> ok got a list of java stuff there in the terminal.
[20:52] <VFDPrim> k1l:http://paste.ubuntu.com/10981045/
[20:52] <tedward> hangon, let me figure out what the name of the java binary is
[20:53] <kat> got java-7-openjdk
[20:53] <lickalott> hey guys, is anyone good at shell scripting?  I'm having issues with a for loop that will ultimately rename files (using the existing filename with parameter expansion)
[20:54] <kat> and etc. etc.
[20:54] <tedward> kat what does it say when you just type java in the terminal
[20:54] <nicomachus> lickalott: this isn't really the place for it.
[20:54] <k1l> lickalott: maybe ask at ##bash
[20:55] <lickalott> k.  thanks
[20:56] <nicomachus> FYI, #bash. but it's forwards so whatever.
[20:56] <nicomachus> s/it's/it/
[20:56] <kat> tedward, it says "Usage: java options etc.
[20:56] <DarkAceZ> I guess there isn't a way to restart X without it restarting all my X programs, is there? can I have them all show back up without restarting/closing them?
[20:57] <EriC^^> DarkAceZ: you can reset unity and/or compiz
[20:57] <tedward> hmmm well it appears to be installed, what code were you typing to run minecraft?
[20:57] <VFDPrim> k1l: did you see i posted another link
[20:57] <DarkAceZ> EriC^^: xsession-errors is 200+ GB, and I want to remove it without having to restart
[20:58] <kat> I downloaded it from a site for windows, mac, and linux, and did the linux download like I do all the time for my other computers or a clean install.
[20:58] <EriC^^> DarkAceZ: i think you can remove it with no ill effects, not sure
[20:58] <kat> BUT, for some reason, it didn't make a file like usual. It just went to "desktop" where I sent it.
[20:58] <DarkAceZ> EriC^^: well that's the problem. I think I already half-did. I (regrettably) used nautilus' Delete option to do so
[20:59] <DarkAceZ> EriC^^: now I can't find the file, but it's still somewhere on the drive
[20:59] <EriC^^> DarkAceZ: it should be in your trash
[20:59] <DarkAceZ> Delete, not to be confused with Move to Trash
[20:59] <kat> I don't have a minecraft folder.
[20:59] <nicomachus> DarkAceZ: I just learned this handy command called 'locate ....'
[20:59] <EriC^^> DarkAceZ: deleting in nautilus should move it there
[20:59] <DarkAceZ> I already did 'find / | grep xsession'
[20:59] <nicomachus> so if you know the file name, then you can try 'locate [filename]'
[21:00] <DarkAceZ> EriC^^: it's not there
[21:00] <tedward> kat I haven't intalled minecraft myself, but this link looks like it should help http://www.howtogeek.com/198476/how-to-install-minecraft-on-ubuntu-or-any-other-linux-distribution/
[21:00] <DarkAceZ> disk usage analyzer can not find it, either
[21:00] <DarkAceZ> and I checked /proc
 VFDPrim: if that is done: pastebinit main.log <k1l> then provide the url
[21:00] <kat> thank you
[21:00] <EriC^^> DarkAceZ: try ls -la ~/.local/share/Trash/files
[21:01] <DarkAceZ> EriC^^: doesn't show up
[21:01] <DarkAceZ> besides, disk usage analyzer should have found it in there if it was there
[21:01] <EriC^^> DarkAceZ: try sudo find / -size +100G
[21:01] <EriC^^> DarkAceZ: why do you say it's still on the disk?
[21:02] <DarkAceZ> there was no freed up space
[21:02] <VFDPrim> k1l that last link is all that it did
[21:02] <EriC^^> DarkAceZ: try df -h
[21:02] <VFDPrim> k1l:there is nothing else
[21:03] <DarkAceZ> EriC^^: /dev/sda1       458G  435G     0 100% /
[21:03] <VFDPrim> k1l unless im missing something witch i would not be serprised about
[21:03] <DarkAceZ> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[21:03] <EriC^^> DarkAceZ: do you have a separate /home ?
[21:04] <DarkAceZ> I have a symbolic link to my secondary drive (old OS), but it's not a user, it's just there so I can easily access my old files
[21:04] <k1l> VFDPrim: pastebinit alogfile.log will provide a new url in the terminal. show me that url. not the url with the copied text like you did
[21:04] <DarkAceZ> other than that, /home only has this user
[21:04] <DarkAceZ> s/user/folder
[21:05] <EriC^^> DarkAceZ: something else must be taking up the space, i think
[21:05] <DarkAceZ> Disk Usage Analyzer says home does not include the file
[21:05] <EriC^^> DarkAceZ: ok, if sudo find -size +100G doesn't find it, then it's probably gone if you're sure it's 200G
[21:05] <DarkAceZ> I think it's just hidden in some system folder and was not deleted because some process (xorg) was still using it
[21:06] <DarkAceZ> well, I actually changed your command from 100GB to 200GB, the only file it found was kcore
[21:06] <VFDPrim> K1l: from where the last thing was on what i showed you i pasted "pastebinit alogfile.log" here is its responce Unable to read from: alogfile.log i do beleive im doing something wrong
[21:07] <DarkAceZ> so, now I'm trying 100GB
[21:07] <k1l> VFDPrim: alogfile.log was just an example.
[21:08] <k1l> VFDPrim: you can open gedit and open that path and copy and paste that to a pastebin. do it the way you can handle.
[21:08] <VFDPrim> yea im dumb and need exact instructions here lol im so sorry im dumb when it comes to this stuff
[21:08] <Bashing-om> DarkAceZ: Might run ' cd / ; sudo du -sx * | sort -n ' to look at disk useage/file sizes .
[21:09] <k1l> VFDPrim: dont say you are dumb as an excuse to not think about what you are doing. that is not rocket science :) take your time and get the log pasted. so we can take a look
[21:09] <VFDPrim> k1l. thats the thing im not sure what im soposed to be doing or where from step by step from begining might be best
[21:09] <VFDPrim> my comprahention is not good sorry
[21:10] <VFDPrim> im not compleatly sure what it is that you even need
[21:10] <k1l> VFDPrim: i provided clear step by step. but you even struggle at that. so i dont know what i can do to make it more easy?!
[21:11] <k1l> VFDPrim: the "main.log" file form that path we talked about the whole time. to get to know what package from a PPA is blocking your upgrade
[21:11] <VFDPrim> no not your fault at all dont get me wrong i just get confused when it comes to this type of stuff
[21:11] <jerm^> I am trying to build the latest package for Qemu (2.3) located in debian-unstable. I used "gbp clone git://git.debian.org/pkg-qemu/qemu.git" to fetch the source, but cannot get any combination of git-buildpackage to create the package.
[21:13] <TMess_> I need to bruteforce a list of passwords against a user in a wifi network protected by PEAP-MSCHAPV2 WPA2-Enterprise
[21:13] <VFDPrim> k1l: starting over in neew terminal again any chance a side convo would work for you less clutter inbetween chats that way
[21:13] <TMess_> how can i?
[21:13] <jerm^> I am getting errors related to not being able to find the tag for the upstream to create the pristine tar. ("upstream/2.3+dfsg is not a valid treeish") I do not see any tags named accordingly in git.
[21:13] <bekks> TMess_: Wrong network.
[21:13] <TMess_> which one then?
[21:13] <DarkAceZ> TMess_: EFnet lulz
[21:14] <TMess_> sorry and thanks
[21:14] <DarkAceZ> be careful, though, TMess_, that network is full of script kiddies
[21:15] <DarkAceZ> they might not just tell you
[21:15] <VFDPrim> k1l im back to where i put in the ls and all those numbers came up
[21:15] <DarkAceZ> (and DDoS you instead)
[21:16] <k1l> VFDPrim: what gives you "pwd"ß
[21:16] <k1l> ?
[21:16] <VFDPrim> pwd?
[21:17] <k1l> thing is place in " " are terminal commands
[21:17] <k1l> *things i
[21:18] <VFDPrim> yea i usualy leav them out unless it accedentaly get coppied in with the text
[21:19] <VFDPrim> k1l: after i put in the "cd 20150503" what was soposed to be next all it does then is add a "$" to the end
[21:19] <k1l> VFDPrim: you are making this the hardest job ever
[21:20] <k1l> VFDPrim: if you would tell me what "pwd" gives you i would know in that directory you are.
[21:20] <VFDPrim> k1l: i am sorry not meaning to but i needed to start over so I would not be so confused
[21:20] <irisk> k1l: cd /
[21:20] <k1l> VFDPrim: i feel like telling a blind man where to go but that blind man doesnt do what i tell him.
[21:20] <VFDPrim> so just typw pwd in?
[21:20] <k1l> VFDPrim: "pwd" is the command. it meand print working directory.
[21:21] <VFDPrim> k1l:/var/log/dist-upgrade/20150503-1525
[21:21] <k1l> VFDPrim: finally. now do "pastebinit main.log"
[21:21] <cihhan> hi all! i was trying to build an internal mail server for a small workgroup (without using a dns) -- after following tutorials, i have sort of setup the system. when i enter the credentials, thunderbird is able to automatically detect the ports, etc. however it hangs during 'checking the password' process. any ideas?
[21:21] <k1l> VFDPrim: that will create a url as output. show us the url
[21:21] <VFDPrim> k1l: after "epic@Dept1:/var/log/dist-upgrade/20150503-1525$ "
[21:22] <VFDPrim> ?
[21:22] <k1l> VFDPrim: yes!
[21:22] <VFDPrim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10981191/
[21:22] <VFDPrim> K1l: never gave me a link like that before
[21:23] <k1l> VFDPrim: was it that hard? we could have been there like 20minutes before
[21:23] <VFDPrim> K1l: no it was not how ever it never gave me a link before thats why I started over I am sorry I am difucult
[21:25] <k1l> VFDPrim: "sudo apt update &&sudo apt full-upgrade"
[21:25] <k1l> put all that in a pastebin again, please
[21:26] <VFDPrim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10981216/
[21:29] <VFDPrim> k1l: unless this is what you needed http://paste.ubuntu.com/10981224/
[21:36] <hplc> how do i get a progressmeter while using dd?
[21:36] <ikonia> hplc: you don't
[21:36] <Ben64> dd if=/dev/zero | pv | dd of=/dev/null
[21:37] <ikonia> dd does not have a progress meter
[21:37] <Ben64> try my command :)
[21:37] <hplc> possible to script something? python? ruby?
[21:37] <ikonia> pv - command not found
[21:37] <hplc> Ben64, will do :)
[21:38] <Apteryx> Hello!
[21:38] <ikonia> that won't show you an end game
[21:38] <ikonia> that will just show you that it's doing something
[21:38] <ikonia> interesting idea though
[21:39] <hplc> guess i could try i C, but im too much of a beginner in it
[21:39] <hplc> in*
[21:39] <Apteryx> Hello! I've been trying to connect to my ubuntu 14.04 PC using VNC, at the lightdm login window. For this I've edited the /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and enabled the VNCServer option.
[21:40] <Ben64> my command shows total transferred, time its been running, and the current speed, not sure what else you'd want
[21:40] <Bashing-om> hplc: The man has directions on how to get a status ' man dd ' .
[21:40] <compdoc> Apteryx, any luck?
[21:40] <k1l> VFDPrim: "pastebinit apt.log"
[21:40] <ikonia> Ben64: can it work out overall progress, eg: can it work out that 10GB is expected as part of the input, so if it's done 5G thats %50
[21:41] <Apteryx> Testing locally, I've been able to connect and see the lightdm login window. But when I put a user's credentials in, it will not completely go into the session, all I see is the background. No panel, no Unity launcher.
[21:41] <ikonia> I can't see how it can do that in the man page, but that doesn't man it's not possible
[21:41] <VFDPrim> k1l:http://paste.ubuntu.com/10981287/
[21:41] <Ben64> ikonia: not using dd as an input, but yes
[21:41] <ikonia> Ben64: yes, so dd is the limiter here, rather than pv
[21:42] <irisk> hello, given a ppa address like ppa:noobslab/themes is it possible to get a html link. Because If i want to "ADD SOURCES" in the Software Center it asks for a complete link.
[21:42] <Ben64> yep, you can do "pv <input> | dd of=/dev/null" and it will show total progress and eta
[21:42] <k1l> VFDPrim: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all"
[21:43] <k1l> irisk: use add-apt-repository for that
[21:43] <Apteryx> compdoc: Could it be related to me using tightvncserver as a vnc server? I was not sure if I need a "virtual" or not vnc server for the lightdm use case.
[21:43] <k1l> !ppa | irisk
[21:43] <VFDPrim> k1l: already newest version
[21:43] <irisk> k1l: slow internet last time i did it via terminal my config files were corruppted
[21:44] <pgulley> Hey! I was around earlier- no one seemed to know what to do
[21:44] <irisk> yes thank you ubottu i know what PPAs are -_-
[21:44] <irisk> k1l ?
[21:44] <Ben64> irisk: add-apt-repository is the proper way to add a ppa
[21:44] <pgulley> I'm on chrubuntu- ubuntu for chromebook- trying to get nvidia-cuda-toolkit
[21:44] <irisk> and then apt-get-update ?
[21:44] <Ben64> irisk: yep
[21:45] <irisk> takes ages because it goes through all of the packages
[21:45] <Ben64> pgulley: you should seek support from chrubuntu, its not an official flavor here
[21:45] <pgulley> Am getting a "no installation candidate", despite the package being listed online
[21:45] <Ben64> irisk: yep thats how apt works
[21:45] <irisk> ok cool thanks
[21:45] <pragmaticenigma> pgulley, , you might need to do an update
[21:45] <k1l> VFDPrim: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-all
[21:45] <compdoc> Apteryx, I have never been able to get as far as you with Unity. I install a minimal Mate desktop on Ubuntu Server, because it supports 2D, which works with vncserver. Anyway, what youdecribe might be a problem with .vnc/startup
[21:45] <compdoc> *describe
[21:45] <pragmaticenigma> pgulley, also make sure you have the repository where the package is located, enabled
[21:46] <VFDPrim> k1l:http://paste.ubuntu.com/10981318/
[21:46] <pgulley> pragmaticenigma, have run apt-get update many times, and have multiverse enabled. I've noticed, however, that the package is listed as "devel"
[21:47] <pgulley> I'll see if chrubuntu has a channel somewhere
[21:48] <k1l> VFDPrim: "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d | pastebinit"
[21:49] <VFDPrim> k1l:http://paste.ubuntu.com/10981326/
[21:50] <k1l> VFDPrim: ah there we go
[21:50] <irisk> k1l: how does apt know where to look given just ppa:/some/thing ? #justcurious
[21:50] <VFDPrim> k1l: what you find or better tell me how to fix it hahah explain later lol
[21:50] <k1l> irisk: it looks a launchpad.net and creates a ppa entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[21:51] <k1l> VFDPrim: i found the fualty ppa that is blocking the update
[21:51] <k1l> VFDPrim: sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[21:51] <irisk> k1l: so launchpad.net has a list of all ppa s ? :o
[21:51] <newbie|3> I have a co worker who likes a particular tv show.  I want to set up a list of the episodes in Griffith.  Anyone wanna help me?
[21:51] <k1l> irisk: yes
[21:52] <irisk> k1l: is there a link to it ? :3
[21:52] <VFDPrim> k1l: purging all now
[21:52] <k1l> VFDPrim: after that was successful (or its even installed) do "sudo ppa-purge ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers"
[21:52] <VFDPrim> want me to postbinit
[21:52] <Ben64> irisk: why don't you just use add-apt-repository
[21:52] <irisk> i am
[21:52] <irisk> i'm just a bit curious
[21:52] <irisk> thats all
[21:52] <Ben64> irisk: curious about what exactly
[21:53] <k1l> irisk: maybe there is a list of all ppas. but i dont have that link
[21:53] <ging> has anyone installed NRPE on ubuntu 14.04 recently? i can't figure out how to to it without it trying to install a full nagios server due to dependancies
[21:53] <irisk> Ben64: how apt knows where to look when installing ppas
[21:53] <k1l> VFDPrim: just get rid of the one i mentioned with the ppa-purge command
[21:54] <Ben64> irisk: add-apt-repository is a python script, look at it if you'd like
[21:54] <VFDPrim> k1l: working on it now
[21:54] <irisk> Ben64: in directory?
[21:54] <carrera> Greetings!  :-)
[21:54] <Ben64> irisk: probably /usr/bin
[21:54] <EriC^^> irisk: less `which add-apt-repository`
[21:54] <VFDPrim> k1l: its done now what ? :)
[21:55] <VFDPrim> PPA purged successfully using aptitude fallback
[21:55] <k1l> VFDPrim: "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[21:55] <VFDPrim> in new terminal or still after all the epic@Dept1:/var/log/dist-upgrade/20150503-1525$   or does that part not matter
[21:56] <k1l> that doesnt matter
[21:57] <k1l> VFDPrim: when that is done without error: try to upgrade again
[21:58] <carrera> I was in the middle of installing LibreOffice from  with Synaptic when transfer stopped.  I stopped Synaptic after a while but I wasn't able to continue the installation when I restarted Synaptic.  Every time I click on the LibreOffice box, I get a red box with an exclamation in it.  I ran "dpkg --configure -a" to no avail. Can someone please help me solve this issue?
[21:58] <VFDPrim> k1l; sudo apt-get upgrade  should be all is needed now right
[21:58] <joshumax> You know, I've always been curious about something, if you manually start an X session and launch, say, xterm on that session, then switch to another TTY and decide to come back to the tty running the X session, how do you do so without breaking X's framebuffer?
[21:58] <k1l> VFDPrim: no, i mean "sudo do-release-upgrade" since you wanted to go to 15.04
[21:59] <joshumax> Wayland/Mir seems to handle this quite nicely...
[21:59] <VFDPrim> k1l: doing it now
[21:59] <Smashcat> Hi, I have a server on Ubuntu 12.10, since I rebooted it the other week it can no longer see external USB drives, so I assume it's loaded in an updated Kernel with broken USB driver. dmesg is full of [2508901.465306] sd 6:0:0:0: >sense urb submission failure messages. The drive is fine (in fact tested 2 drives). Current kernel is 3.5.0-17-generic. Anyone know what kernel 12.10 shipped with,...
[21:59] <Smashcat> ...so I can revert?
[21:59] <Smashcat> (before I rebooted, it had been running continuously for about 1.5 years)
[22:00] <VFDPrim> k1l: thanks you seo verry much I do beleive it is going to work for me now! sorry I was so complicated there
[22:01] <OerHeks> Smashcat, you could check yourself, hold shift @boot to see older kernels in the menu, et voila
[22:01] <OerHeks> Smashcat, 12.10 is EOL.
[22:01] <Smashcat> OerHeks: Ah ok thanks, I'll do that
[22:01] <Apteryx> compdoc: seems I'm not alone: http://confoundedtech.blogspot.ca/2012/12/fix-tightvncserver-not-showing-unity.html
[22:02] <compdoc> Apteryx, think you can get it working?
[22:02] <Apteryx> compdoc: and the fix seems to point to xstartup, which might relate to .vnc/startup you were talking about.
[22:03] <compdoc> yeah   .vnc/xstartup
[22:03] <Ben64> hm, nvidia module still not working properly on 14.04
[22:03] <Bashing-om> joshumax: By default X runs in VT 7 . So if in another TTY then key-combo crl+alt+F7 should return to X .
[22:04] <joshumax> Bashing-om: Sure...but say I wanted to start a second X session on another TTY
[22:04] <joshumax> If I switch back to that session it's going to break the session
[22:05] <Bashing-om> joshumax: Lemme hunt it up .. there is a way to export .
[22:06] <[Saint]> Is anyone else seeing issues with 14.10 and Chrome presently?
[22:07] <VFDPrim> k1l: thanks again for the help
[22:07] <nicolesque> what issues?
[22:07] <VFDPrim> and Patience
[22:07] <[Saint]> nicolesque: refusal to start coupled with a kernel oops.
[22:08] <VFDPrim> saint: i am err was currintly updating now
[22:08] <nicolesque> I'm officially on 15.04 but I didn't see that on 14.10, no. stable or beta chrome?
[22:08] <irisk> Ben64: there seems to be a "sources" list
[22:08] <[Saint]> neither.
[22:08] <[Saint]> *dev
[22:08] <VFDPrim> I never had a n issue to use chrome
[22:09] <Ben64> irisk: it would help if you explained what you're trying to accomplish
[22:09] <[Saint]> It only just started after 3.16.0-36
[22:09] <[Saint]> so, you likely wouldn;t have seen it, no.
[22:09] <irisk> Ben64: nothing, leave it
[22:10] <[Saint]> Well, that's a fine how-do-you-do.
[22:14] <Bashing-om> joshumax: What DE do  you use ? For me on xfce this works ' ctl+alt+f2 ; startx -- :1 ; ctl+alt+f8 ' to give me X running in TTY8 . obviously do not use "startx" unless your init file is set up so .
[22:15] <joshumax> I use xfce as well
[22:16] <joshumax> ctl+alt+f1; startx -- :1; ctl+alt+f7; ctl+alt+f1 breaks X on tty1
[22:16] <Smashcat> Ah found the problem - seems like the kernel in 12.10 has a bug if a USB3 drive is attached at boot. Rebooting and then attaching the drive fixed the problem :)
[22:18] <Bashing-om> joshumax: Sorry, that is the end of my knowledge .
[22:18] <joshumax> Eh, that's okay, it's happened on every device I've ever owned
[22:18] <joshumax> !man startx
[22:18] <joshumax> I did that wrong didn't I
[22:21] <joshumax> I'll just ask on askubuntu; the manpages weren't helpful
[22:22] <Bashing-om> joshumax: After I reboot tonight, I will play with starting another X instance . If ya around tomorrow will let ya know what results on my system . I have tested before, but I do not recall if I also had things going on in TTY7 at that time .
[22:23] <joshumax> Bashing-om: Cool! Thanks!
[22:32] <zeeb> guys
[22:32] <zeeb> Thunar crashes when I use tree view on 1.6.3. why is this?
[22:32] <zeeb> crashes my entire system, locks up and cant save without reboot
[22:32] <EriC^^> zeeb: try running it in a terminal, it might say something
[22:33] <zeeb> just like 'sudo thunar' ?
[22:33] <EriC^^> just thunar
[22:33] <hplc> anyone know howto make a mac os install disc on a usb stick in ubuntu?
[22:34] <zeeb> when i run thunar in terminal it doesnt output any logs or anything about it
[22:35] <EriC^^> it might say something before it crashes
[22:35] <zeeb> ok
[22:35] <EriC^^> ah nevermind
[22:35] <zeeb> but it also just creates a new line for example i go 'thunar' then it runs and brings me back to a $
[22:35] <EriC^^> yeah
[22:35] <zeeb> yeah i can use side pane > shortcuts flawlessly
[22:36] <zeeb> but the second i switch to tree and go to a directory it freezes or i get a black screen
[22:36] <zeeb> :S
[22:36] <zeeb> this is xubuntu 14.04.02. should i upgrade thunar to latest version 1.6.7?
[22:37] <EriC^^> looks like a bug http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/Thunar-crashes-when-changing-view-r20382-td37320.html
[22:38] <zeeb> thanks eric
[22:38] <zeeb> but that link is from 2006 (!)
[22:38] <zeeb> would be amazed if it was still relevant
[22:39] <zeeb> but it does seem like the same issue..
[22:40] <EriC^^> hmm
[22:41] <zeeb> i would like to try updating but i dont know how to update thunar and if its safe
[22:41] <EriC^^> latest is 1.6.6
[22:42] <EriC^^> in vivid's repository, you could try to download the .deb and see if you have all the dependencies already met
[22:46] <adriano_> oi
[22:46] <adriano_> hi
[22:46] <adriano_>  how are you ?
[22:48] <adriano_> how are you ?
[22:48] <DoctorOW> Hi
[22:49] <adriano_> iam  adriano donizete colombo
[22:49] <adriano_> my facebook  is  www.facebook.com/colomboadc
[22:50] <hplc> anyone know howto make a mac os install disc on a usb stick in ubuntu?
[22:51] <adriano_> i  from brazil
[22:52] <k1l> adriano_: we have #ubuntu-offtopic for chatting. this channel here is for ubuntu support only
[22:58] <joshumax> Sorry for pasting my question from AskUbuntu, but can anyone tell me is unclear in my question? http://askubuntu.com/questions/617885/switching-to-another-tty-after-running-startx-and-returning-breaks-xorg
[22:59] <joshumax> I hope this isn't against #ubuntu IRC guidelines
[23:00] <adriano_> oi alguém fala minha  lingua ?
[23:00] <bekks> !br | adriano_
[23:01] <k1l> joshumax: maybe you can ask the xserver guys since that is quite a special question
[23:02] <joshumax> k1l: I assumed that a lot of people would be asking this question...
[23:02] <joshumax> But I can't seem to find a single one
[23:02] <k1l> joshumax: first: we dont use startx on ubuntu. we let lightdm (or another dm) handle the xserver
[23:03] <Ben64> joshumax: normally you shouldn't be using startx
[23:03] <joshumax> A lot of times I want to debug an application I'm working on that uses XLib, and startx is really helpful for that though...
[23:04] <adriano_> obrigado pela dica !
[23:04] <adriano_> bekks
[23:04] <k1l> second: most users are happy when their one xserver doesnt have issues. so they dont want another one with potential issues :)
[23:04] <joshumax> Other times It's nice to be able to run something like midori on another TTY to google any problems I have with starting my display manager...
[23:33] <guest32694> Hi i am not very skilled with ubuntu/linux(but i am learning). Over the weekend i tried to install apt-cacher-ng. without success. When i issue the apt-get install apt-cacher-ng. Do i need to install the apache2 as well? or can i set up apt-cacher-ng without installing apache2?
[23:35] <ubuntu-mate> guys im in the ubutnu mate installer and i chose the option "install alongside windows 7" but i can only make the ubuntu partition 18gb and no more even though my windows 7 partition has 180gb ?
[23:35] <ubuntu-mate> it only allows me to drag it up to 18gb and i want it to be larger
[23:36] <anth0ny_> I”m setting up a process to run as a non-priviledged user. I want that process to log to /var/log, but that is owned by ‘root’. What’s the right way to do this?
[23:39] <guest32694> If there's anyone skilled in installing and setting up apt-cacher-ng and/or apt-mirror, would you mind helping me set up mine?
[23:51] <namaste> guest32694, did you look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Apt-Cacher-Server ?
[23:53] <SrPx> Cmd+a (which I changed to ctrl) isn't working to select all text on ubuntu on firefox on macbook pro retina. Other cmd commands work. Why?