[12:02] <gdh> I have no knowledge of PASCAL never mind the GNU flavour
[12:03] <czert> i have pascal on windows
[12:03] <czert> but i cannot get pascal to work on linux
[12:03] <czert> btw i am first time at this irc chat
[12:04] <czert> here are those who has linux-kubuntu?
[12:04] <czert> kubuntu users
[12:04] <gdh> IRC's great, nothing will happen for hours, then suddenly 10 conversations will start at once at huge speed...
[12:04] <blueyed> yes
[12:04] <blueyed> sometimes ;o)
[12:05] <czert> and are here any peoples who are so kind that they give advices?
[12:05] <blueyed> czert: just ask. don't ask to ask.
[12:06] <czert> heh
[12:06] <czert> okey
[12:07] <Blissex> czert: consider reading these suggestions on how to ask questions: http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4
[12:07] <czert> i add GNU pascal, it works but only if i type to console gpc-2.1-3.2
[12:07] <czert> so i need to make some run file
[12:09] <czert> ok thanx now i know how to ask questions
[12:10] <czert> but i still dont know what to do with gnu pascal to work
[12:10] <blueyed> czert: have you installed the "gpc" package. it will install the default gpc package and for sure create a "gpc" shortcut.
[12:10] <blueyed> "sudo apt-get install gpc"
[12:11] <rrichie> if some of you are interested, i'm building all kde 3.5b1 packages for breezy
[12:11] <czert> i allredy done this
[12:11] <czert> but now how to run it
[12:11] <czert> by typing in console gpc-2.1-3.2
[12:11] <blueyed> try entering "gpg" and press TAB.
[12:12] <blueyed> you could create a alias or a simple bash script to wrap it, if there is no shortcut.
[12:12] <dell500> how do i extend my desktop to my other monitor (2 crts)
[12:12] <czert> can i make something to run it without console?
[12:12] <czert> like turbo pascal in windows
[12:13] <czert> or is there any distribution of pascal that is similar as turbopascal and it works in kubuntu?
[12:14] <gdh> czert: apt-get install dosemu-freedos ?
[12:14] <czert> now i dont understand
[12:15] <czert> sory
[12:15] <czert> can you explain it?
[12:15] <Blissex> czert: there is sort of.
[12:15] <czert> freepascal
[12:15] <blueyed> czert: ah.. you're looking for an IDE?
[12:16] <Blissex> czert: yes... In general to answer questions like that do 'apt-cache search pascal' or with another keyword.
[12:16] <czert> yeah
[12:16] <czert> blueyed thats something for me
[12:17] <blueyed> czert: sorry, no idea. You might want to try KDevelop.
[12:18] <czert> ah shame
[12:18] <czert> but thanx anyway
[12:20] <czert> how to write source code there?
[12:20] <czert> in console?
[12:20] <czert> i still dont understand
[12:21] <czert> when i type gpc-2.1-3.2 then it just show help and available commands
[12:24] <blueyed> czert: you would pass the filenames to compile I guess.
[12:25] <blueyed> You would include gpc as compiler in your IDE (KDevelop/Eclipse/jEdit/scite/vi/whatever)
[12:25] <czert> blueyed where are you from? as you can see i am not very good in english
[12:26] <blueyed> czert: me neither, germany.
[12:26] <czert> damn
[12:26] <czert> i am from slovakia
[12:26] <czert> ok
[12:26] <czert> so what should i do?
[12:27] <blueyed> I'd use my beloved jEdit and try to plug gpc in there.
[12:27] <czert> what to do with that kdevelop/eclipse....
[12:28] <blueyed> install. Try KDevelop first. apt-get.
[12:28] <blueyed> Does Ubuntu use it's own KDE packages? I would file a bug on bugs.kde.org to include Ubuntu/Kubuntu as "binary distribution" then, if it differs "enough" from Debian - what I think.
[12:28] <czert> i use debian packages
[12:28] <blueyed> in Kubuntu?
[12:29] <czert> because kubuntu is based on debian, no?
[12:29] <blueyed> czert: the long question above was not related to your problem.
[12:29] <blueyed> czert: yes, it's based on, but different/patched I believe.
[12:30] <apokryphos> czert: debian packages in kubuntu?
[12:30] <apokryphos> bad idea; they vary a lot now (it's recommended that you never really use marillat, for example)
[12:30] <dell500> how do i extend my desktop to my other monitor (2 crts)?
[12:30] <czert> wha?
[12:30] <czert> what?
[12:30] <blueyed> apokryphos: so I'll file a bug on bugs.kde.org that they include Kubuntu/Ubuntu in the binary dist list, yes?
[12:31] <czert> so wich packages should i use?
[12:31] <apokryphos> blueyed: what?
[12:31] <apokryphos> czert: for what exactly?
[12:31] <czert> pascal
[12:31] <czert> i need to get pascal in linux
[12:32] <apokryphos> if it's not in [k] ubuntu's repositories, it's better to compile, generally
[12:32] <blueyed> apokryphos: for filing bugs and saying what distribution you are using.
[12:32] <blueyed> http://bugs.kde.org/wizard.cgi
[12:32] <czert> and it will be great if i is something like turbopascal in windows
[12:32] <apokryphos> blueyed: just say Linux, and in the bug report mention Kubuntu
[12:33] <apokryphos> don't actually know why Kubuntu doesn't show up there yet
[12:33] <blueyed> apokryphos: sure, yes, exactly. I'll hint them.. :)
[12:35] <apokryphos> it's not like Kubuntu is *that* new, or unpopular; weird that it's not there yet :P
[12:35] <troy> czert: there is a pascal->c converter that will let you compile (I think)
[12:36] <czert> troy thanx but can you give me instrucitons how to install and run it
[12:36] <czert> i would be thankful
[12:40] <troy> czert: I'm not sure, haven't tried it in an age (since probably redhat 5 or such) -- the program is called 'p2c' though, if I recall
[12:43] <dell500> can someone help me set up dual monitors? :)
[12:44] <gdh> oh that's nice
[12:44] <gdh> 11.45 on friday night
[12:44] <gdh> I am a bit pished
[12:44] <gdh> and one of the main servers at work drops offthe network
[01:02] <rrichie> has anyone tried to build a .deb package of kdebindings?
[01:06] <RogueJediX> This might sound like a very dumb question but: I've been reading about Massachussets switching to OpenDocument format and I was wondering if KWord is capable of saving files in that format
[01:12] <NamShub> i upgraded to 3.5beta1 but it messed my system up (nothing works anymore)
[01:12] <NamShub> I cant revert to 3.4.2...
[01:12] <NamShub> (removing the 3.5 entry from my sources.list dont work...)
[01:13] <RogueJediX> NamShub: Try installing Gnome, then switch to Gnome, then uninstall KDE 3.5 beta1
[01:14] <NamShub> RogueJediX: I tried uninstalling from the shell (without kde running)
[01:14] <RogueJediX> And no dice?
[01:14] <NamShub> well actually, the problem is i dont know how to "downgrade" heh
[01:14] <RogueJediX> Well, from the console, neither do I. Synaptic has that option, though
[01:15] <NamShub> oh, I should uninstall KDE completely and then reinstall..?
[01:15] <NamShub> wouldnt I lose my settings?
[01:15] <RogueJediX> Don't think so. They're stored in $HOME/.kde
[01:18] <apokryphos> from removing kde you lose no settings, no
[01:18] <apokryphos> never seen that downgrade option in synaptic though :/
[01:19] <RogueJediX> Yeah, I might be wrong
[01:19] <RogueJediX> I've been using the console for quite some time now
[01:19] <nalioth> RogueJediX: console cowboys are sexy
[01:20] <NamShub> but how would I remove it
[01:20] <NamShub> ?
[01:20] <NamShub> I dont have kde nor kubuntu-desktop... I'm not gonna update every package by hand...
[01:21] <RogueJediX> sudo apt-get remove kde-core? I think that's it. Better check with someone else, though
[01:22] <NamShub> not installed either
[01:24] <RogueJediX> Quite frankly, I think I'm way over my head on this one, sorry :/
[01:25] <RogueJediX> I've never actually had to remove KDE
[01:25] <nalioth> kde-base
[01:26] <kalenedrael> Whoa, why are you removing KDE?
[01:26] <RogueJediX> kde-base. I have to write that down somewhere. Thanks, nalioth
[01:27] <nalioth> RogueJediX: it's kde-base or kdebase (/me has about 6 desktop manglers on his box)
[01:28] <RogueJediX> Good to know
[01:28] <RogueJediX> I assume it's the same for gnome and others as well?
[01:28] <RogueJediX> gnomebase, etc?
[01:29] <nalioth> RogueJediX: no
[01:29] <nalioth> RogueJediX: synaptic will answer lots of your questions
[01:29] <RogueJediX> I should've figured x_x
[01:30] <RogueJediX> Yeah, I just opened it
[01:31] <RogueJediX> libgnome looks like it could take a lot of things down with it
[02:24] <_blake> what is the command to search repositories?  isnt it apt-cache-search?
[02:24] <gdh> nearly
[02:24] <gdh> apt-cache search
[02:24] <_blake> ah, thanks
[02:27] <_blake> man, i swear i could apt-cache search all day :)
[02:27] <_blake> i wish i would have known this a long time ago
[02:36] <apokryphos> =)
[02:36] <nalioth> _blake: it's easier with synaptic
[02:37] <_Foodcoman_> x-common giving most people problems with X11/fonts?
[02:38] <nalioth> foodcoman: yes, it can be overcome (at risk of breaking your box)
[02:38] <_Foodcoman_> nalioth: Thanks for the heads up.  Just be patient eh?
[02:38] <nalioth> yes patience
[02:38] <_blake> nalioth, i just like the knosole :/
[02:39] <nalioth> _blake: the console is your friend
[02:39] <_Foodcoman_> nalioth: I have to say I have been really happy that upgrading day after day since the 5.10 preview hasnt hosed me!   =)
[02:40] <_blake> does anyone know how to setup a different default file manager?  Konqueror is causing some problems
[02:40] <_blake> I looked throught the control panel but cant figure out how to make konqueror go away without uninstalling it
[02:41] <nalioth> _blake: there are several file manglers you can use, just remove konqueror from your kicker and put the icon/link for whatever you want in it's place
[02:42] <apokryphos> _blake: what problems?
[02:42] <_blake> what do you use?
[02:42] <apokryphos> Konqueror is perfect :D
[02:42] <_blake> well it crashes sometimes when i try to open my home directory
[02:42] <apokryphos> _blake: none others are even half as good  ;-)
[02:42] <apokryphos> _blake: hm
[02:42] <apokryphos> if you alt+f2 -> konqueror
[02:43] <apokryphos> (and run it directly like that).. do you get any crashes?
[02:43] <apokryphos> (and make sure you're in browser not file-manager mode)
[02:43] <_blake> nope no crahes
[02:43] <nalioth> apokryphos: it crashes on me, also
[02:43] <_blake> but it happens every now and again
[02:43] <nalioth> in both file-mangler and browser mode
[02:43] <apokryphos> nalioth: nope, it's all in your dreams.
[02:43] <_blake> its the only program on my comp that crashes
[02:44] <_blake> but its rare, so its not that big of a deal
[02:44] <apokryphos> nalioth: I know, random Konqueror crashes have been an issue for some
[02:44] <apokryphos> very annoying, and very hard to debug
[02:44] <_blake> yes, and the KDE crash handler is very depressing to see
[02:47] <_Foodcoman_> apokryphos: any way to edit the list in katapult to remove an item?
[02:47] <_blake> nalioth, where is my 'kicker'?
[02:48] <_blake> or what rather
[02:48] <_Foodcoman_> _blake: Like windows Quick launch.
[02:48] <nalioth> _blake: the kicker is the bar at the bottom with all your icons in it
[02:49] <apokryphos> _Foodcoman_: only an item, or a category (i.e. bookmarks?)
[02:49] <_blake> so how would i remove konqueror from my kicker?
[02:49] <apokryphos> kicker is the kde panel
[02:49] <apokryphos> to remove an item from it, right-click
[02:50] <_Foodcoman_> apokryphos: example I mistyped pptp-config ---> should have been pptpconfig... Now I would like to dump pptp-config.
[02:51] <apokryphos> _Foodcoman_: only an item, at the moment -- nope (unfortunately)
[02:51] <nalioth> _blake: right click on it
[02:51] <_Foodcoman_> Not important really, just curious!
[02:51] <nalioth> boy oh boy, it is gettin wild here
[02:51] <_Foodcoman_> Thank you.
[02:51] <nalioth> welcome to fall, eh? (yesterday was the official first day of fall here)
[02:52] <_Foodcoman_> Everyone wants features!    =)   They should test for the bugs eh?
[02:53] <_blake> eh... i feel like an idiot...  right click / remove items... but no knqueror
[02:54] <_blake> welcome back
[02:54] <nalioth> power dropped offline here
[02:54] <_blake> nalioth, i feel like an idiot...  right click / remove items... but no knqueror
[02:55] <nalioth> _blake: the one that looks like a house
[02:55] <_blake> I think i may have removed that a while back
[02:56] <nalioth> _blake: any executable can be linked into your kicker
[02:56] <nalioth> _blake: if you apt-cache search for 'file manglers' <<<<joke you'll be shown quite a few
[02:57] <nalioth> but apokryphos is right. none are as polished as konqueror
[02:57] <_blake> hmm
[02:57] <_blake> ok, i will mess with it
[02:57] <_blake> maybe if i upgraded to breezy...
[02:58] <nalioth> maybe. but i think it's just a konqueror bug
[02:59] <jsubl2> nalioth: you still in houston
[02:59] <nalioth> jsubl2: yes, i'm still sittin in my trailer
[03:00] <jsubl2> trailer sounds a little risky even for the north side of houston.  was watchin cnn
[03:00] <_blake> if i upgraded to breezy, would i have to reinstall vidcard drivers ?
[03:00] <nalioth> _blake: not sure. it should use the ones you have
[03:01] <nalioth> jsubl2: i'm not stayin, believe me
[03:01] <jsubl2> wise move
[03:01] <_blake> because it was an absolute nightmare to configure my radeon
[03:07] <_blake> how far inward is rita supposed to go before bleeding off?
[03:13] <alexandros> anyone had success installing realplayer from a deb package?
[03:18] <jmg> hey guys whats wrong with kate in breezy?
[03:19] <jmg> communication error kate probably crashed
[03:20] <apokryphos> jmg: are you trying to sudo kate or something?
[03:20] <jmg> apokryphos: i did try (used to work)
[03:20] <jmg> but now i cant run kate at all
[03:20] <jmg> even without sudo
[03:20] <apokryphos> you shouldn't ever do that
[03:20] <jmg> what about when i need to edit a file as root
[03:20] <apokryphos> you can muck up your settings (as probably happened in this case)
[03:21] <apokryphos> !kdesu
[03:21] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you have to.   Patience.
[03:43] <_Foodcoman_> The cure may be worse than wait.
[03:47] <god-zero> as long as upstream knows
[03:51] <_blake> Error opening pcap: bind: Network is down
[03:51] <_blake> i cant get around this error
[03:52] <_blake> libpcap is installed, all module dependenices are there
[03:52] <_blake> any ideas?
[03:55] <jsubl2> god-zero: this prolly aint the right thing to do but i forced it in.  has seem to cause any problems
[03:55] <jsubl2> has not seemed to rather
[03:55] <hydrogen> hrm
[03:55] <hydrogen> having comp hang while upgrading kernel = an adventurte
[03:56] <jsubl2> god-zero: i think it was an errror in the package..  seemed to be having  trouble updating 1 file
[04:10] <god-zero> jsubl2: ya.. looked minor, prolly duplicate files in x-common/x-files base
[04:11] <jsubl2> that is what i thought
[04:11] <jsubl2> i could not wait i got kopete out of svn
[04:12] <Jeezis> i have a question about kde 3.5
[04:12] <Jeezis> it's really unstable for me, could it be because i'm using a 686 kernel?
[04:13] <jsubl2> what part is unstable
[04:13] <god-zero> I'm on 686 with 3.5 b1... It's definately beta
[04:14] <jsubl2> god-zero: yeah but do you think it is unstable.
[04:14] <god-zero> prolly not the 686...
[04:14] <god-zero> unstable: problems with multimedia
[04:14] <god-zero> alot of little things that aren't comming to me
[04:14] <god-zero> but no x lockups
[04:15] <jsubl2> i think it is mostly stable.  I have had minor multimedia issues
[04:15] <jsubl2> i have not spent the time to try to nail them down to a clear definition
[04:15] <Jeezis> ok, so the fact that i'm running a 686 kernel isn;t the problem?
[04:16] <jsubl2> i used it all day at work and did not notice any hiccups
[04:16] <god-zero> I haven't booted into 386, buy I haven't seem any kernel looking problems
[04:16] <god-zero> but
[04:17] <Jeezis> it just randomly freezes and such
[04:17] <jsubl2> the whole screen or 1 app
[04:17] <jsubl2> what video card
[04:17] <Jeezis> any thoughts on what it could be
[04:17] <god-zero> video seems to cause extreem strain
[04:17] <Jeezis> ati radeon 320m igp rs200
[04:17] <god-zero> ati 9200se
[04:17] <jsubl2> ouch.. pass me.  i use nvidia
[04:17] <god-zero> fglrx
[04:18] <sproingie> will there be kde 3.5 repositories for amd64 anytime soon?
[04:19] <god-zero> 3d has been ok though
[04:19] <jsubl2> no lockups
[04:19] <jsubl2> Jeezis: laptop?
[04:20] <Jeezis> yes
[04:20] <jsubl2> Jeezis: is it an option to try like the vesa 2d drivers or is 3d a must have
[04:20] <Jeezis> but i havent' had any problems with 3.4.2
[04:20] <Jeezis> 3d is a must :-p must play enemy territory
[04:20] <jsubl2> same X and video driver configuration
[04:21] <jsubl2> yeah i understand.. there was a thread on the breezy forum about ati drivers.  since i am nvidia guy did not read it
[04:21] <jsubl2> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks
[04:22] <god-zero> sproingie: no word yet on non-x86-32
[04:22] <jsubl2> Jeezis: yeah i am not a big gamer so i only run 2d
[04:23] <regeya_> eep.  kontact is sig11'ing after it starts up kmail.  yet kmail runs fine outside of kontact.
[04:23] <regeya_> and I left xchat aqua running at work again.  grr.
[04:24] <jsubl2> mac?
[04:24] <regeya_> jsubl2: yep.
[04:24] <jsubl2> yeah i use that too.
[04:24] <regeya_> os x at work, kubuntu at home.
[04:25] <jsubl2> beats the hell out of win at work
[04:25] <regeya_> heh.
[04:25] <sproingie> win wouldn't be so bad for me if it didn't have such a slow filesystem and process model
[04:26] <jsubl2> i use kubuntu at work.. i am a rebel
[04:26] <regeya> win can be ok...if you perform a few dozen reg tweaks
[04:26] <regeya> and disable indexing...and disable the theming engine...and...and...and...and...
[04:26] <regeya> I lie.  It's still a resource hog.
[04:26] <jsubl2> and don't use it on the network or it willlllllllllll get infected
[04:27] <sproingie> its filesystem and process model is so heavyweight, that you'll never make them acceptably fast
[04:27] <aikon> #join sucre
[04:27] <sproingie> most of it has to do with security.  every process has to go through about eighty billion initialization routines
[04:27] <sproingie> file access is similar
[04:27] <jsubl2> if i have to research a windows bug.. i fire up firefox on my linux box and head msn and think yeah scan this baby
[04:28] <god-zero> lol
[04:28] <regeya> is it possible to download utilities from microsoft's website from firefox?  I don't use windows enough to know how, if it's possible.
[04:28] <sproingie> sure
[04:28] <sproingie> i do it all the time
[04:28] <sproingie> ms's site is becoming pretty browser-agnostic these days
[04:29] <hydrogen> the windows update is still a nocando
[04:29] <sproingie> well that's a control
[04:29] <regeya> I keep getting some sort of genuine-advantage b.s. for things, even powertoys
[04:29] <panickedthumb> a lot of crap needs that Windows Genuine Advantage stuff to work
[04:29] <sproingie> i wonder if it would work if you used the activex host plugin for mozilla
[04:29] <regeya> ooh.
[04:29] <panickedthumb> I've heard there's a way you can even get your Linux box to pass the WGA
[04:30] <sproingie> i never get WGA prompts, and i just downloaded some powertoys recently
[04:30] <regeya> seriously, I got a WGA prompt trying to get, of all things, tweakui.
[04:30] <sproingie> i think they may have shut wga off for now
[04:31] <regeya> as of today?  this was about 24 hours ago.
[04:31] <sproingie> after they realized how bad it was at validating server-side.  like, not at all
[04:31] <sproingie> huh, nope, was a few weeks ago that i last downloaded stuff
[04:31] <regeya> heh.
[04:41] <regeya> hooray, fixed.
[04:43] <regeya> for some reason kontact-embedded-kmail and the old config file weren't happy with each other (have been running mainline ubuntu for a few months :-} )
[04:43] <jmg> how can i detect my modem? which serial port etc
[04:43] <jmg> tom@manticore:~$ sudo chown -R tom:tom .kde
[04:43] <jmg> tom@manticore:~$ sudo chown -R tom:tom .kderc
[04:43] <jmg> tom@manticore:~$ kate
[04:43] <jmg> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[04:43] <jmg> errr sorry
[04:43] <jmg> didnt mean to paste
[04:44] <jmg> i actually fixed that problem
[04:44] <jmg> 0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 03)
[04:44] <jmg> comes up in lspci
[04:53] <lwells> hi all
[04:54] <god-zero> hi
[04:54] <lwells> how you doing gd
[04:55] <lwells> gz i mean
[04:55] <god-zero> ok, tieres after cleaning up after the tornados
[04:55] <god-zero> tired
[04:55] <lwells> you in Kansas
[04:56] <god-zero> minnesota
[04:56] <NeoFax> Anyone having problems with KDM in breezy?
[04:57] <bur[n] er> MN == where I grew up
[04:57] <god-zero> cool
[04:57] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with going from debian unstabel to breezy?
[04:57] <NeoFax> I get "No profile found for user 'terry'.
[04:58] <bur[n] er> i'm getting libxft2 errors http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2477
[04:59] <god-zero> NeoFax: ahve you ever been able to login?
[04:59] <NeoFax> god-zero: Only with gdm, never with KDM.
[05:00] <NeoFax> I have read all of the Xsession files, but nothing states looking for a profile.
[05:00] <god-zero> so you _do_ have a /home/terry?
[05:00] <NeoFax> god-zero: Yes
[05:00] <NeoFax> However, I do not have a /home/terry/.xsession(.Xsession)
[05:03] <god-zero> neither do I... so that's not a prob
[05:08] <god-zero> NeoFax: what kde package did you install?
[05:08] <NeoFax> For kdm?
[05:08] <god-zero> yes
[05:09] <NeoFax> How can I check that via the command line?
[05:10] <god-zero> most I was wondering... you went from ubuntu, added kubuntu-desktop?
[05:11] <god-zero> or did you instak kubuntu from cd?
[05:11] <NeoFax> Yes, and I have dist-upgraded everyday since
[05:11] <NeoFax> Ubuntu then apt-got kubuntu-desktop
[05:16] <regeya> wow.  aptitude wants to remove kubuntu-desktop.  methinks I shall wait to upgrade for a while.
[05:17] <NeoFax> regeya: That's no problem as it is a meta package
[05:17] <NeoFax> As long as no other KDE packages get removed, it's fine
[05:18] <regeya> well, true...hm.
[05:19] <god-zero> NeoFax: every thught I had was a dead end
[05:20] <NeoFax> god-zero: Thanks!  I submitted a bug to kubuntu's bugzilla
[05:23] <_Foodcoman_> A buddy of mine is thinking of installing Kubuntu, 1 drive, 1 partition, plenty of free space!  Easy?
[05:23] <_Foodcoman_> I have always had an extra drive.
[05:26] <dell500> i'm trying to mount a USB hard drive, how do i do that?
[05:26] <dell500> nm
[05:26] <dell500> i found it
[05:28] <god-zero> foodcoman: yes, I found it pretty easy... no dual boot here, but I here there's no real trouble there
[05:34] <_Foodcoman_> Thanks god-zero!
[05:39] <lunitik> Riddell: oh... you asked whether other things work... I just tried to run things via the run dialogue... _nothing_ will run...
[05:39] <lunitik> (tried to run 'konqueror', and 'konsole' neither worked)
[05:40] <_Foodcoman_> lunitik: funky mine sure does work.
[05:40] <_Foodcoman_> Alt+f2 and type it in????  hrrmmm.
[05:43] <lunitik> _Foodcoman_: 3.5beta1 fresh install (no previous kde) ... confirmed by Riddell and others.
[05:43] <lunitik> _Foodcoman_: you'll notice I said 'run dialogue'... which is what alt+f2 brings up...
[05:44] <lunitik> I'm also not getting a kwin instance...
[05:46] <eddrex> excuse me, anybody know if kdelibs is broken in the breezy packages for kde3.5b1?
[05:47] <eddrex> i did a fresh install of breezy, from an ubuntu cd
[05:48] <eddrex> then added universe, metaverse, and the 3.5b1 repos and installed kubuntu-desktop
[05:49] <eddrex> after that kde desktop won't start, with "klauncher can't contact something or other"
[05:50] <eddrex> oh, nm.
[05:50] <eddrex> read history :)
[06:02] <god-zero> lunitik: I ran into some bugs in 3.5b1... but no run dialogue... that's gotta hurt
[06:10] <_Foodcoman_> lunitik: Missed that sorry!
[06:38] <roak> ss
[06:38] <roak> fefef
[06:39] <roak> test
[06:39] <roak> test
[06:39] <roak> test
[06:39] <roak> test
[06:39] <roak> test
[06:39] <roak> test
[06:39] <roak> test
[06:39] <roak> test
[06:39] <roak> test
[06:39] <roak> test
[06:39] <roak> test
[06:39] <jarkom28> test..
[06:40] <roak> test
[06:40] <roak> test
[06:40] <cdemwell> Jo
[06:41] <cdemwell> I'm having the damnedest time with a new kubuntu install, I hope someone here might be able to help me:
[06:41] <cdemwell> All users - but steve - can properly edit the k menu
[06:41] <cdemwell> applications appear in the k menu when they are installed for everyone but steve
[06:41] <roak> test
[06:41] <cdemwell> kmenuedit works for everyone but steve, as does kappfinder
[06:41] <roak> hi
[06:41] <cdemwell> I've tried deleting and re-adding steve as a user... no dice!
[06:42] <jarkom15> lowww
[06:42] <cdemwell> (hi, roak )
[06:42] <cdemwell> any thoughts?
[06:42] <roak> hi too
[06:42] <roak> h r u?
[06:42] <jarkom11> hang......
[06:42] <_jarkom> heiii
[06:42] <cdemwell> I'm not doing all that well because I have a problem.
[06:42] <cdemwell> I'm trying to find someone who might be able to help
[06:43] <jarkom11> hi there!
[06:43] <roak> alo?
[06:43] <jarkom28> nice to all
[06:43] <jarkom32> SFGWAETSETWE
[06:43] <jarkom15> hihihi
[06:43] <jarkom28> asdasaklifksf sdhasdna;sdja sdhsandsd
[06:43] <roak> tezt
[06:43] <jarkom21> ----------[06:43] <jarkom11> heiaiooooooooooeieoaio........
[06:44] <jarkom28> adssodjd awdasndn wdniosdasd dndasds asdsadoo dsosd
[06:44] <jarkom11> ^o^
[06:44] <jarkom29> sbddgggggggggs
[06:44] <jarkom11> hohohohoho
[06:44] <jarkom31> wagu
[06:44] <jarkom29> :)
[06:44] <roak> peace
[06:44] <jarkom11> wahahaha
[06:44] <jarkom> allllll
[06:44] <jarkom10> hihihihihihihihihihihhihhihhihihihihihihiihihihihihihihihihihihihihihhhihihihihihhi
[06:44] <jarkom23> tes
[06:44] <jarkom27> wah mumet
[06:44] <roak> pd norak smua
[06:44] <jarkom29> Om jhon, how are you....
[06:44] <jarkom28> ada orang disana...? any body labs..?
[06:44] <jarkom> ajhwovvvnsdg
[06:44] <jarkom31> hei jarkom24
[06:44] <jarkom> jarkom 24?
[06:45] <shaman> hoi
[06:45] <jarkom30> oi juga
[06:45] <jarkom28> buat para kodoker mania..
[06:45] <jarkom30> jhom...om jhon
[06:45] <jarkom31> opo ponakan]
[06:45] <jarkom28> join in suse party please .... :::
[06:45] <jarkom15> T T
[06:46] <math> :)
[06:46] <jarkom28> suse  party is free bro..
[06:46] <michi> ;p
[06:46] <roak> pie kabare?
[06:46] <roak> pie kabare smua?
[06:46] <jarkom28> kabare sopo..?
[06:46] <roak> selesai jam piro iki?
[06:46] <jarkom30> minta uang om..
[06:46] <jarkom31> sorry ye
[06:46] <H_MAN> halowwww
[06:46] <roak> wis ora betah....;p
[06:46] <jarkom29> minta roti Om...
[06:47] <H_MAN> minta roti !!!
[06:47] <jarkom31> yo karepmu ra betah
[06:47] <michi> ngattttttttuuuuuuuuuuuuuukkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[06:47] <jarkom28> roti isi opo..?
[06:47] <jarkom30> ih...oh pelit....masa ama ponakan pelit
[06:47] <michi> ngannnnnnnnnnnttttttttuuuuuuuuuukkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[06:47] <roak> masih ada snack ga ya
[06:47] <H_MAN> roti isi duit
[06:47] <jarkom31> ntar kalo dah punya uang
[06:47] <michi> laperzzzzzz
[06:47] <jarkom30> rotinya tambah donk om....
[06:47] <jarkom31> makan donk
[06:47] <jarkom28> ngantuk ama cekak ..
[06:47] <H_MAN> pesen Pizza aja!
[06:47] <jarkom28> okey siap anter
[06:48] <sh3v4> hola
[06:48] <michi> mooo
[06:48] <^_^> .........................
[06:48] <Om> Alo semua
[06:48] <roak> panezzz.....ga ada accc
[06:48] <jarkom28> klo panas psang ac aja
[06:48] <OmCariKenalan> alooo
[06:48] <HHH> ACnya blom beli
[06:48] <gendar> hola
[06:48] <jarkom28> alo om..
[06:49] <gendar> om dah ganti nama
[06:49] <^_^> halo Om gendar............
[06:49] <moo> elooww
[06:49] <jarkom28> buat apa komp lab gadein aja buat beli ac
[06:49] <OmCariKenalan> kenalan yuk
[06:49] <HHH> abcd?
[06:49] <moo> sapa ya?
[06:49] <yoh> ngapain kamu
[06:49] <jarkom28> om..om..tantenya mana..?
[06:49] <^_^> boleh kenalan ga Om gendar............
[06:49] <jarkom25> halo
[06:49] <gendar> iya betul, panas ni
[06:49] <HHH> Om cari perawan?
[06:49] <gendar> mau berapa
[06:49] <jarkom28> mari jual kompt atma rame2
[06:49] <^_^> Hus....
[06:49] <OmCariKenalan> udah jadi duren ni
[06:49] <michi> ;D
[06:49] <gendar> hus, emange pitik
[06:50] <OmCariKenalan> makanya mau cari tanba
[06:50] <jarkom28> om..masa da lp ama tnt...kan msh ready
[06:50] <jarkom25> hallo siska
[06:50] <jarkom28> mari bobol lap atma masa digembok..
[06:50] <gendar> iyo yo
[06:50] <roak> ;p
[06:50] <yoh> kakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakaka
[06:51] <jarkom25> halo
[06:51] <gendar> halo 24
[06:51] <HHH> win or nothing
[06:51] <michi> woi!!!!!!
[06:51] <jarkom28> masa mo main bola hrs manjet pagar..
[06:51] <gendar> halo jarkom24
[06:51] <herra> haloo
[06:51] <gendar> halo jarkom 23
[06:51] <aloha> test
 om..masa da lp ama tnt...kan msh ready --> ya kan butuh kehangatan
[06:51] <roak> dani....
[06:52] <jarkom28> kehangatan pke api unggun aja biar panas
[06:52] <^_^> roak... roak..........
[06:52] <gendar> moo
[06:52] <mbuh> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:52] <djoko> hallo jarkom16
[06:52] <yoh> woiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii..................................
[06:52] <roak> yo
[06:52] <djoko> halo siska
[06:52] <gendar> djoko thole
[06:52] <jarkom28> nanya apa ya...? cara hecker donk..
[06:52] <yoh> coba-coba
[06:52] <roak> dani wong solo
[06:52] <gendar> moo
[06:52] <herra> halo siska
[06:52] <HHH> apa djoko?
[06:52] <gendar> koyo sapi
[06:53] <^_^> halo jarkom......
[06:53] <moo> moo disini....
[06:53] <roak> dani jelekzzzzz
[06:53] <HHH> halo herra
[06:53] <gendar> ada apa moo
[06:53] <HHH> halo siska
[06:53] <HHH> halo semua!!
[06:53] <gendar> halo juga
[06:53] <herra> halo juga HHH
[06:53] <jarkom28> mari pulang..marilah pulang...
[06:53] <gendar> mari mari
[06:53] <roak> dani jelekzzzzz
[06:53] <gendar> karepmu
[06:53] <jarkom28> mari..juag
[06:53] <roak> dani jelekzzzzz
[06:54] <OmCariKenalan> yang namanya siska....kenalan yiuk
[06:54] <herra> pulang yuk.. suiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[06:54] <^_^> Om...  :-P
[10:27] <edulix> hehe me too
[10:27] <spiral> edulix: it works fine for me on two computers
[10:28] <edulix> do you use mac os like top menu ?
[10:28] <edulix> I want to know how does it work in kde3.5..
[10:28] <spiral> edulix: I don't use this on kde, just in macos... but I can try to enable it & tell you if I have a problem
[10:29] <edulix> I have some icons in in the right side of that menu, but they are shifted to the right when an app have many menus
[10:29] <spiral> edulix: this works fine
[10:29] <spiral> edulix: I don't have icons in this menu though
[10:29] <edulix> and that's fine, it's desired so that you can see all the menus
[10:30] <neotrophy_> How do I stop Konqueror poping up a new window every time I insert a cdrom or a removable drive (or any media)?
[10:30] <spiral> neotrophy_: kde 3.5b1 ?
[10:30] <edulix> but the problem with kde 3.4.2 (but not in 3.4.0) is that when you go to another app with fewer menus, the cions don't come back to their initial positions
[10:30] <spiral> edulix: I don't know, maybe could you give it a try ?
[10:31] <neotrophy_> spiral:  nah, 3.4.2
[10:31] <edulix> spiral: try to drag and drop an icon to the top menu and then open an app that needs that space so it will shift the icon to the right
[10:31] <spiral> neotrophy_: 3.5b1 comes with a configuration tool for this I think, but I don't know for 3.4.2
[10:31] <edulix> then come back to previous app and tell me if the icon recovers the position, please :)
[10:31] <spiral> edulix: I'll try
[10:32] <spiral> just have to find an app that needs so much menus
[10:32] <edulix> drag the icon near the end of the konversation menus
[10:32] <neotrophy_> well it's got to be somewhere, otherwise kubuntu wouldn't be set up to do it :)
[10:32] <edulix> then launch konqueror hehe
[10:33] <edulix> or kate
[10:34] <spiral> edulix: it came back
[10:35] <edulix> oh then I'll install kde 3.5b1
[10:35] <edulix> thanks for the info ;)
[10:35] <spiral> edulix: good luck
[10:35] <edulix> now it's time to go, see ya later
[10:35] <spiral> edulix: 'bye
[10:46] <neotrophy_> spiral: Do you know how you'd stop media:/ opening automatically under 3.5b1?
[10:46] <Tm_T> !marillat
[10:46] <ubotu> Tm_T: Not a clue
[10:47] <Tm_T> hmh
[10:48] <Tm_T> got it anyway
[11:33] <sedeki> Can someone see if acx100 / acx_pci is in apt?
[11:47] <johan> If I have compiled mplayer from souce, but I want to remove it, as I forgot to add gui-support, what would I do?
[11:47] <johan> I guess not remove all files manually
[11:50] <chavo> johan, go to the source directory and run -> make uninstall
[11:56] <johan> chavo: thanks
[11:56] <chavo> no problem
[11:59] <johan> so I will need to keep all my source folders to be able to uninstall the application later?
[12:00] <meissner> I guess only the make,but not sure.
[12:01] <johan> only the makefile?
[12:01] <johan> I guess I'll try with something. Any small applications to try on? That compiles fast.
[12:04] <chavo> johan, you can keep just the tarball around, and untar it if you want to uninstall
[12:05] <johan> but then I will need to ./configure with the same settings, won't I+
[12:05] <chavo> you'll have to run configure first, but that;s it
[12:05] <johan> okay
[12:05] <johan> Guess I will just make a little tarball directory in my home-folder then
[12:06] <meissner> Why dont use .deb packages to (un)install?
[12:08] <johan> I don't really know. I like seeing it compile.
[12:29] <johan> How do I make firefox look like the kde-applications, now it looks plain and..you know what I mean
[12:35] <Firetech> johan: try the "Plastikfox Crystal SVG" theme (Google for "mozillux")
[12:36] <Tipsy_Kaiser> theres also some packages you can install, but i dont remember tehm
[12:37] <Firetech> Anyone running KDE 3.5 beta1?
[12:50] <johan> Firetech: I don't mean the firefox theme, but the overall look of it. All listboxes just look plain, and it doesn't look like for example konqueror. I tried installing gtk2 and qt, but they didn't work
[12:51] <Firetech> johan: look around on www.kde-look.org. There are some mods to make firefox more kde-ish...
[12:51] <johan> okay
[12:52] <johan> thank
[12:52] <johan> s
[12:52] <Firetech> of different quality, though...
[12:53] <chavo> johan, whay don't you use konqueror?
[12:58] <johan> chavo: I don't like that it opens both local folders and webpages in the same window, and I haven't yet founda way to disable that
[12:58] <johan> and I like firefox
[12:59] <Firetech> johan: you can set it not to open external links in a new window, but then you'll get all externally opened links in new windows.
[01:00] <johan> which is not what I want...
[01:30] <Tipsy_Kaiser> *trapdoor
[01:30] <Firetech> why aren't all the kde 3.5beta parts packaged? (just curious)
[01:31] <Firetech> especially, why aren't  there any i18n packages?
[01:32] <elvirolo> hi all
[01:32] <Tipsy_Kaiser> hi
[01:33] <elvirolo> the lack of mp3 support for musicbrainz is rather annoying ... why not make a version of the library with mp3 enabled availible in universe ?
[01:33] <elvirolo> availiable*
[01:36] <Firetech> elvirolo: there is a guide in the ubuntu forums
[01:36] <elvirolo> Firetech: ok thanks
[01:51] <_tobias> hey guys, i have a problem with making a softlink. actually not with making him, but with keeping him alive after restarting my system. everytim i restart, the softlink does not exist anymore. i do the softlink with: ln -s /opt/lampp/var/mysql/mysql.sock /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock, any suggestions?
[02:00] <nikkia> _tobias: thats because the way the shutdown script runs, it deletes the /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock file, and is deleting the link, not the target
[02:01] <nikkia> _tobias: link the /var/run/mysqld  directory, instead of the .sock file, and it might work
[02:02] <_tobias> nikkia: i asked the question in a other channel too, and they told me that bootclean.sh cleans everything out of the run directory
[02:02] <_tobias> nikkia: so i have to creat an own script in init.d to create a link at boot time
[02:04] <buz> is there a kde svn client
[02:05] <mike23> I want to use svn does not seem to be in packages?
[02:05] <buz> it is
[02:05] <buz> but its called subversion there
[02:06] <mike23> exactly I using kubuntu no svn package konquor does not recognize svn protocol?
[02:07] <mike23> can I get the souce another way?
[02:13] <chavo> mike23, did you install subversion?
[02:37] <johan> I don't know what I did, probloby removed wrong package, but now I can't launch kynaptic or kate.
[02:37] <johan> I can open kynaptic as root from console
[02:41] <Riddell> johan: what happens when you try?
[02:50] <johan> Ridell: It is in the taskbar, and I see its icon at the cursor for 10 seconds, then it just disappears
[03:21] <Edwinem> y0w ppl :)
[03:21] <Tipsy_Kaiser> hi mate, sup?
[03:21] <apokryphos> Tipsy_Kaiser: tipsy.. in the middle of the day? ;-)
[03:21] <Edwinem> :) found myself having a question and thouhgt: let's hop into this channel :p
[03:21] <apokryphos> sure =)
[03:21] <Tipsy_Kaiser> apokryphos: its 22:51 here
[03:22] <Tipsy_Kaiser> Edwinem: have a shot :)]
[03:22] <apokryphos> ok, you're excused then :P
[03:22] <Edwinem> i wonder is there like a possibility to do a net-install of kubuntu?
[03:22] <Edwinem> lol @ Very_Drunk_Kaise
[03:22] <apokryphos> Yes, but possibly not in the way you're thinking
[03:22] <apokryphos> !install
[03:22] <ubotu> it has been said that install is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[03:22] <Edwinem> !install
[03:24] <Edwinem> hm, i should change stuff on the DNS server?
[03:24] <Edwinem> not gonna work :P
[03:24] <apokryphos> several methods are listed there for installation
[03:27] <VeryDrunkKaiser> * i remembered
[03:28] <buz> VeryDrunkKaiser: best not to be sober so long to forget about being drunk ;)
[03:29] <VeryDrunkKaiser> buz. hi mate :) how are you?
[03:29] <buz> i was drunk last night ;)
[03:29] <VeryDrunkKaiser> *rotates in seate *
[03:29] <VeryDrunkKaiser> coo.l *hugs*
[03:30] <VeryDrunkKaiser> hi bux
[03:30] <VeryDrunkKaiser> z
[03:30] <VeryDrunkKaiser> *buz
[03:30] <VeryDrunkKaiser> hwo are you?
[03:30] <buz> you must indeed be very drunk
[03:30] <buz> fine
[03:30] <VeryDrunkKaiser>  hell yes
[03:30] <buz> i finished my exams on thursday
[03:30] <buz> after that i was drinking
[03:30] <VeryDrunkKaiser> 9 beers. wonerf if thers more in the fridge
[03:31] <Edwinem> KingBahamut: 9?
[03:31] <Edwinem> then it's time for whisky
[03:31] <Edwinem> why did it say kingbahamut :P
[03:31] <Edwinem> bah
[03:31] <VeryDrunkKaiser> hi Edwinem :O
[03:32] <Edwinem> lol
[03:32] <VeryDrunkKaiser> Edwinem: i have no whisk
[03:32] <VeryDrunkKaiser> i only have dads beer
[03:32] <Edwinem> that's a pitty
[03:33] <VeryDrunkKaiser> beb. getting more to drink
[03:33] <Edwinem> :P
[03:33] <buz> lol
[03:33] <Edwinem> do your thing
[03:33] <freemanen> what does error like configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_XML2 means?
[03:33] <VeryDrunkKaiser> hopefully this time i wont hit my toe onteh fucking chouchdh
[03:33] <buz> is that 0.5l beers? or 0.33l?
[03:33] <VeryDrunkKaiser> buz, huh?
[03:33] <Edwinem> .33 :P
[03:33] <buz> i mean how much is in a can/bottle?
[03:33] <VeryDrunkKaiser> freemanen: it didnt work
[03:34] <Edwinem> lol @ VeryDrunkKaiser
[03:34] <Edwinem> buz you're from suisse? :)
[03:34] <VeryDrunkKaiser> buz: averagea bout 4.5 -> 4.9
[03:34] <buz> yes
[03:34] <VeryDrunkKaiser> brb. getting more
[03:34] <Edwinem> weird measure that is :P
[03:34] <Edwinem> bring me one pls :)
[03:34] <VeryDrunkKaiser> %
[03:34] <buz> that'd be pints then right?
[03:34] <Edwinem> we'd call them that way maybe :P
[03:34] <Edwinem> but even germans wouldnt lol
[03:35] <buz> yeah i'm swiss
[03:36] <VeryDrunkKaiser> buz, each stubby would be about 300ml, cant reald any more to tell :(
[03:36] <buz> mhh so that would be close to 3l?
[03:37] <illissius> quick question -- how much space does a fresh install of kubuntu hoary use, minus swap space? (and would this much also be enough for upgrading to breezy?)
[03:37] <VeryDrunkKaiser> illissius: ~1.6GB
[03:38] <illissius> hmm, alright. so if I give it 2GB I should be fairly safe?
[03:38] <jpatrick> illissius: maybe
[03:39] <jsubl2> i would give it 4gb anyway
[03:39] <VeryDrunkKaiser> illissius: yenh, should be ok. morre is bettereer
[03:40] <illissius> not a 6.4GB disk dual-booted with windows, where I want to have as much space left for other stuff as I can
[03:40] <illissius> s/not a/not on a
[03:40] <hydrogen> 2G should be fine as long as you add very little
[03:41] <illissius> ok, thanks
[03:41] <illissius> I might deinstall oo.o, so that would give some more
[03:42] <jpatrick> illissius: not sure if you might be able to fit KDE 3.5
[03:43] <jpatrick> you might..
[03:43] <Edwinem> ciao all
[03:54] <joaquin> hola
[03:54] <VeryDrunkKaiser> :o
[03:55] <joaquin> alguien me puede ayudar un poco con linux
[03:55] <VeryDrunkKaiser> english pls
[03:55] <VeryDrunkKaiser> im drunk, not multilingulal
[03:55] <joaquin> alguien habla espaol?
[03:55] <joaquin> good
[03:55] <joaquin> i need some help
[03:56] <VeryDrunkKaiser> try the spanish chan (see topic)
[03:56] <joaquin> how y can navigate linux on a terminal
[03:56] <blackflag> Hello all :-)
[03:56] <joaquin> like dos
[03:56] <joaquin> cd
[03:56] <joaquin> cd..
[03:56] <VeryDrunkKaiser> hi blackflag
[03:56] <VeryDrunkKaiser> hi joaquin
[03:56] <VeryDrunkKaiser> im drunk. remember it
[03:56] <blackflag> I have a question about vnc
[03:56] <joaquin> ok
[03:57] <VeryDrunkKaiser> blackflag: 5then im no help
[03:57] <blackflag> I have a debian as my server and I want to do a remote administration via vnc
[03:57] <blackflag> okay :-)
[03:57] <VeryDrunkKaiser> sorry :)
[03:58] <blackflag> so I installed vnc4server on the server
[03:58] <blackflag> I can connect it when Ido a manually start with vnc4server at prompt
[03:59] <blackflag> I raed in google that the server should start automtically when aclient tries to connect
[03:59] <blackflag> Here it dont do it!
[04:00] <blackflag> I searched a lot  can only find information for M$ !!!
[04:00] <blackflag> bad :-(
[04:01] <VeryDrunkKaiser>  sosrry. still no help :(
[04:01] <blackflag> so can someone tell me how I make vnc4eserver start auto?
[04:01] <VeryDrunkKaiser> to drumk :(
[04:01] <VeryDrunkKaiser> *drunk
[04:01] <jpatrick> joaquin: www.linuxcommand.org
[04:03] <Phily> blackflag: why r u using vnc?  DO you wnat to connect on the lan or internet
[04:03] <blackflag> in the moment over the lan
[04:03] <blackflag> but at later time i want a tunnel via ssh
[04:03] <blackflag> over the internet
[04:03] <Phily> blackflag: reponse time and lag time will be much better using an xclient
[04:04] <blackflag> cant find a good discription for such szenario's
[04:04] <blackflag> what for an cclient?
[04:04] <blackflag> xclient
[04:04] <Phily> blackflag: xclient xwindows that work on the client machine can be windows XP OS2 anything
[04:05] <Phily> have a look at Xwin-32 or cygwin
[04:05] <Phily> blackflag: open-gl even works on it!
[04:05] <Phily> blackflag: in hardware!
[04:05] <blackflag> but I needa linux solution
[04:06] <Phily> blackflag: have a look at cygwin xorg
[04:06] <blackflag> Server: debian  | client: kubuntu or otrher
[04:06] <Phily> panickedthumb: if your running on windows
[04:06] <Phily> blackflag: very easy then
[04:08] <Phily> panickedthumb: on client machine start a plain x:  in shell witre export DISPLAY=client.machine.ip:0.0
[04:08] <Phily> panickedthumb: on client machine  xhost +client.machine.ip
[04:09] <Phily> blackflag: made a mistake
[04:09] <Phily> panickedthumb: on client machine start a plain x:  in shell witre export DISPLAY=client.machine.ip:0.0 should be on server machine
[04:09] <blackflag> Phily: okay
[04:10] <blackflag> you mean www.x.org?
[04:10] <Phily> than ssh into server and start what ever windows manager u want
[04:10] <Phily> blackflag: it can be whater ever xclient or server u are using
[04:10] <Phily> msg me for detail instruction
[04:11] <Phily> take 3 lines
[04:11] <Phily> to accomplish
[04:13] <Phily> blackflag: DO you need instructions
[04:13] <blackflag> how should I mail you?
[04:13] <Phily> blackflag: don't mail me just priv msg
[04:13] <Phily> blackflag: in irc
[04:14] <blackflag> sorry, thats new to me
[04:14] <blackflag> I have konversation here
[04:14] <blackflag> can I do it with that program?
[04:14] <Phily> blackflag: yep
[04:15] <Phily> write konversation /join #blackflag
[04:16] <Phily> blackflag: r u using konversation now
[04:16] <blackflag> yes
[04:17] <VeryDrunkKaiser> back
[04:28] <Riddell> koffice 1.4.2 tested needed:  deb http://kubuntu.org/koffice142 {hoary,breezy} main
[04:29] <othernoob> Riddell: which version of dvd+rw tools, cdrecord, cdrdao, k3b is in breezy?
[04:30] <Riddell> k3b 0.12.2
[04:30] <apokryphos> othernoob: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:30] <othernoob> apokryphos: thanks.
[04:33] <othernoob> just curious, is cdrecord-prodvd needed for burning at higher speeds than 4x?
[04:49] <VeryDrunkKaiser> nightrall
[04:49] <apokryphos> hehe
[04:54] <SpudULike> I am still struggling with printing on my Kubunto 5.04 box.  Anyone here fancy chatting about it?
[05:02] <Ubel> wuhu I am cool I am idling on kubuntu!
[05:02] <Ubel> damn....
[05:12] <willie> OK kubuntu N00b question alert!!!! How do I reconfigure the kernel? I need to get rid of rivfb support so I can get the Nvidia driver to compile  nicely
[05:24] <ryman> hoho?
[05:24] <ryman> i need helo
[05:24] <ryman> *help
[05:24] <ryman> lr HJLP!
[05:24] <willie> whats wrong?
[05:24] <ryman> My kopete doesn't work! =/
[05:25] <willie> use irssi then
[05:26] <ryman> what's that?
[05:26] <ryman> =S
[05:26] <willie> a txt-based irc client
[05:26] <jpatrick> a program
[05:26] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[05:26] <ryman> aaah... i'm not good at this ^
[05:27] <willie> none of us were when we started
[05:27] <willie> and Im still stuck on bits of it
[05:27] <ryman> hehe okey.... =)
[05:28] <ryman> and how do i get my other HD's?
[05:30] <willie> what filesystems are on them?
[05:30] <willie> ext3, reiserfs?
[05:30] <ryman> it's NTFS i think
[05:30] <jpatrick> bad..
[05:31] <ryman> =/
[05:31] <willie> sudo mount -t $filesystem /dev/whatever-ther-other-HD -is  /new-mount-point
[05:31] <willie> remember to mkdir /new-mount-point first
[05:31] <ryman> oki...
[05:31] <ryman> thanx
[05:31] <willie> the no of times Ive forgotten to do that :-)
[05:32] <ryman> *lol*
[05:35] <Saw^> could somebody help me a bit with getting my sounds to work? I've got SB 128 (snd_ens1371 module seems to be loaded)
[05:36] <ryman> =/ doesn't work =/ unknowned filesystem it says
[05:38] <willie> mount -t ntfs  blah..............?
[05:40] <jpatrick> willie: I think he needs a mount point
[05:40] <willie> I think he needs a FAQ :-)
[05:41] <ryman> yeah! were do i got FAQ?
[05:41] <jpatrick> ryman & willie: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/windows.html#hddmntman
[05:41] <willie>  Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/
[05:41] <willie> might be in Geerman though :-)
[05:42] <ryman> hehe thanx! bouth of u =)
[05:42] <jpatrick> I've pointed him to the right page
[05:42] <willie> nice one thx
[05:43] <woddf2> Where can I get XScreenSaver?
[05:44] <apokryphos> woddf2: the repositories?
[05:44] <jpatrick> woddf2: sudo apt-get install xscreensaver ?
[05:44] <apokryphos> !info xscreensaver
[05:44] <ubotu> xscreensaver: (Automatic screensaver for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.16-1ubuntu11 (hoary), Packaged size: 3034 kB, Installed size: 9172 kB
[05:47] <ryman> I will be kac ;)
[05:47] <ryman> *back
[05:51] <elvirolo> hi all
[05:51] <libben> anyone wanna point me to AA download? only finds windows version on americasarmy's site
[05:51] <jpatrick> hello again
[05:51] <elvirolo> :)
[05:52] <jpatrick> libben: what's AA?
[05:52] <jpatrick> To me it's that car repair company
[05:53] <libben> americasarmy
[05:53] <libben> teh game
[05:55] <jpatrick> libben: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AmericasArmy
[05:58] <libben> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base
[05:58] <jpatrick> libben: I get that
[05:58] <libben> why do i get this problem when i mark all updates from installed? in synaptic?
[05:59] <libben> just ignore that or what?
[05:59] <jpatrick> libben: I didn't bother upgrading that package
[05:59] <libben> k
[05:59] <apokryphos> !x-common
[05:59] <ubotu> x-common is currently broken in breezy, but to get around this you can sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common*.deb
[05:59] <spiral> hmmm, does anyone know if somebody's going to package the whole kde 3.5b1 in breezy ?
[05:59] <spiral> and also if amarok 1.3.2 will be packaged ?
[06:00] <apokryphos> spiral: probably not, no
[06:00] <jpatrick> spiral: little by little :o
[06:00] <libben> apokryphos: is this something that is needed ?
[06:00] <apokryphos> and there's a repo for amarok 1.3.2... /me runs off to get it
[06:00] <libben> or can we just let it be until its fixed in aother update?
[06:00] <apokryphos> libben: you can, yes
[06:01] <spiral> apokryphos: what is the depo ?
[06:01] <libben> k
[06:01] <libben> ill let it be then
[06:01] <apokryphos> spiral: http://kubuntu.org/~jr/amarok/
[06:01] <spiral> why won't kde 3.5beta be fully packaged ?
[06:02] <apokryphos> spiral: because (i) it's a beta, (ii) dear Jonathan has an awful lot of work with Breezy, (iii) there aren't packagers to package it =)
[06:02] <spiral> apokryphos: all right...
[06:02] <othernoob> mmh, cdrecord recognizes my dvdrw as 4x while it actually is a 8x, any way to fix this?
[06:03] <spiral> apokryphos: for amaroK, this isn't really a repo, isn't it ? just files that I can dpkg -i  ?
[06:03] <jpatrick> yeah
[06:03] <apokryphos> spiral: sorry, it's not, yes.
[06:03] <spiral> apokryphos: all right, then I've got to dpkg -i them ;-)
[06:03] <apokryphos> yup
[06:08] <libben> hmm
[06:08] <libben> anyone in here plays AA?
[06:08] <libben> is there any players on 2.3 ?
[06:09] <jpatrick> spiral: and KOffice 1.4.2 packages for Hoary and Breezy are in testing..
[06:09] <johan> why can't I remove like klatin and kalarm, programs I will never use, without removing the whole kde?
[06:10] <spiral> jpatrick: hmmm, nice... so they should be available via aptitude ?
[06:10] <jpatrick> yeah
[06:10] <johan> Is it a meta-package? what packages do I need for just plain kde then?
[06:10] <jpatrick> deb http://kubuntu.org/koffice142 {hoary,breezy} main
[06:10] <jpatrick> johan: it's a metapackage kde
[06:11] <Saw^> could somebody help me a bit with getting my sounds to work? I've got SB 128 (snd_ens1371 module seems to be loaded) and artsd running, but I can't get any sounds out. I've tried a few sound servers
[06:11] <jpatrick> spiral: we just need a Hoary tester
[06:11] <jpatrick> Breezy has worked so far
[06:11] <spiral> jpatrick: sorry, only have Breezy here
[06:12] <jpatrick> yeah
[06:13] <jpatrick> seems everyone has gone to Breezy :/
[06:13] <johan> yep
[06:14] <jpatrick> well the Breezy debs work :)
[06:16] <libben> apokryphos: what was that x-common thing btw ?
[06:16] <libben> what is it needed for?
[06:16] <libben> thinking of forcing it to install with dpkg
[06:16] <jpatrick> !info x-common
[06:16] <apokryphos> libben: it's to solve a problem with the current x-common package
[06:16] <apokryphos> libben: /msg ubotu x-common
[06:17] <libben> http://www.fz.se/filarkiv/download.php?file=spel/americas_army/armyops230-linux.run
[06:17] <libben> lol'
[06:17] <libben> yeah but what is it?
[06:17] <libben> how to install it i got
[06:17] <libben> but what is it needed for
[06:18] <johan> installing americas arm y  as the filename tells me
[06:19] <libben> johan =) that line with aa was a pasting that went bad. shouldent been pasted at all =)
[06:19] <libben> im talking about x-common
[06:20] <libben> apokryphos: safe to say. its not bad by doing it manually?
[06:21] <apokryphos> libben: doing what manually? Forcing the overwrite?
[06:21] <johan> libben: oh, I see
[06:21] <johan> du r svensk eller?
[06:21] <libben> mm
[06:21] <johan> du var mjligtvis inte han som hjlpte mig med ntverket p neowin
[06:21] <libben> apokryphos: yes. doing the dpkg -force thing
[06:21] <libben> johan nope.
[06:21] <johan> ok
[06:22] <libben> vad har du problem med d?
[06:22] <apokryphos> no problem, yup; if you get that x-common error you should (atm), do it; you won't have a running X, really, without it
[06:23] <Ubel> jette bra!
[06:23] <Ubel> laks, minnk, prumpa
[06:23] <libben> yawns... later i will force a SU guy to help me with my quake3 problem.
[06:24] <apokryphos> johan, Ubel: English only in here please
[06:24] <johan> sure
[06:24] <Ubel> I was kidding
[06:24] <Ubel> doesn't mean anything
[06:25] <lttropal> Hi, I'm using KAudioCreator to rip CDs and I've noticed that while encoding tracks is speedy, about 15s per song, ripping them seems to be taking much too long, about 90s per track.  I'm using a 52x read CD drive, is this normal?  What might be wrong?
[06:25] <libben> yes it does... ur a lier.
[06:25] <johan> it means very good
[06:34] <blackflag> Hello all :-)
[06:34] <blackflag> I have a problem compiling knights
[06:34] <blackflag> when I do configure
[06:34] <blackflag> #flood checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[06:35] <blackflag> but qt-devels are installed
[06:35] <blackflag> what is wrong?
[06:35] <blackflag> can someone help?
[06:35] <jpatrick> blackflag: libqt3-mt is needed
[06:35] <johan___> blackflag: restarted after installing the qtdevels?
[06:35] <blackflag> I tried libqt3-mt , noo success
[06:35] <johan___> restart any try again
[06:36] <blackflag> no restart
[06:36] <johan___> you need to restart, at least I did
[06:36] <blackflag> oh, okay I'll it
[06:36] <DarkMaul> is there some one that could walk me trough the HDD setup
[06:36] <johan___> what are you trying to configure?
[06:36] <johan___> DarkMaul: maybe
[06:36] <DarkMaul> i have 2 drives of 160 gig sata
[06:37] <DarkMaul> i would like to have 1 drive of 320 gig
[06:37] <jpatrick> DarkMaul: you need to mount them?
[06:37] <DarkMaul> like fedora uses LVM
[06:37] <DarkMaul> iam like installing kubuntu now
[06:37] <johan___> DarkMaul: mayme use one as / and antoher one as /home, /usr, /tmp and all those?
[06:37] <DarkMaul> but i do not know how to set it up
[06:38] <johan___> during install, you will be promted as far as I know
[06:38] <jpatrick> DarkMaul: One - root filesystem ( / ) and a home partition ( /home )
[06:38] <jpatrick> and a swap partition around 1GB
[06:39] <DarkMaul> es and what about my second drive
[06:39] <jpatrick> root should be around 10GBs and /home == 8GBs
[06:41] <Drakeson> how can I change date and time _TRUELY_ ?
[06:41] <jpatrick> Drakeson: System Settings
[06:41] <DarkMaul> hmm iam not getting it'
[06:42] <DarkMaul> it just leave one drive untouched
[06:42] <Drakeson> I have changed my date and time,
[06:42] <Drakeson> but now something is strange!
[06:42] <jpatrick> DarkMaul: you only need around 16GBs in total
[06:43] <DarkMaul> yeah but i have 320 gigs of harddrive
[06:43] <DarkMaul> where will that be
[06:43] <jpatrick> ...
[06:43] <Drakeson> in the clock applet on the panel it is 12:42, but in a terminl, using date -R I get Sat, 24 Sep 2005 16:43:05 +0000
[06:43] <DarkMaul> when i install fedor
[06:43] <DarkMaul> a
[06:43] <DarkMaul> it gives me a LVM of 300 gig
[06:44] <DarkMaul> i would like to have that on my Kubuntu
[06:44] <johan___> DarkMaul: I think you can do LVM stuff during expert install
[06:44] <jpatrick> There should be a
[06:44] <DarkMaul> yes
[06:44] <jpatrick> LVM option
[06:44] <DarkMaul> but how
[06:44] <DarkMaul> i need some manuel
[06:45] <johan___> when you boot the cd, then you can press f1-f12 for help, read there
[06:45] <johan___> DarkMaul: I googled a bit, if you have the 5.10 preview, then it should work fine
[06:45] <blackflag> okay Ijust rebooted
[06:46] <johan___> blackflag: now it should work
[06:46] <blackflag> no success with ./configure
[06:46] <johan___> still same problem?
[06:46] <jpatrick> blackflag: odd...
[06:46] <blackflag> yes
[06:46] <DarkMaul> johan, i have 5.10
[06:46] <DarkMaul> i just dont get it
[06:46] <johan___> what are you trying to install? try downloading it from apt
[06:47] <blackflag> Im wondering that there should be areboot Iwas the meaning that there is no need
[06:47] <jpatrick> johan___: not if it's superkaramba
[06:47] <blackflag> I try to install knights
[06:47] <blackflag> chess-game
[06:47] <johan___> DarkMaul: I remember seeing something about lvm when I did a expert install, in the parititoner
[06:49] <jpatrick> wb
[06:49] <DarkMaul> yeah
[06:49] <DarkMaul> wrong button
[06:49] <DarkMaul> :p
[06:51] <DarkMaul> so simply there is noboy that wants ore knows how to setup a lvm
[06:51] <johan___> nope, but it should be in the installer
[06:52] <DarkMaul> if you know how to set up a lvm
[06:52] <DarkMaul> jups then i missed you
[06:52] <DarkMaul> :p
[06:52] <libben> ff or konq?
[06:52] <SpudULike> What GUI tools are there to help me admin the services that start running automatically at boot time?
[06:52] <jpatrick> libben: I like Konq
[06:52] <SpudULike> I need to stop one of them from running.
[06:53] <libben> used ff before or opera ?
[06:53] <SpudULike> DarkMaul: Have you searched the wiki for lvm stuff. I'm sure I sawe something rather good on there.
[06:54] <DarkMaul> okeej
[06:54] <DarkMaul> other idea
[06:54] <DarkMaul> i have 2 drives
[06:54] <DarkMaul> of 160 gigs
[06:55] <DarkMaul> and i want to use both drives
[06:55] <DarkMaul> read and write
[06:58] <SpudULike> If your question is "Is LVM what I want?" then I'd say yes.
[07:00] <DarkMaul> hehe i know that i want LVM, i just dont know how to set it up
[07:00] <DarkMaul> :p
[07:00] <jpatrick> DarkMaul: what verison do you have?
[07:01] <SpudULike> DarkMaul: You have read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Multi-Disk-HOWTO.html
[07:01] <SpudULike> How do I stop the NFS service from running?
[07:02] <DarkMaul> uhmm, 5.10 previeuw
[07:05] <jpatrick> DarkMaul: It should have a LVM partition thingy
[07:05] <jpatrick> I saw it
[07:05] <DarkMaul> i know it is there, i just dont know how to set it up
[07:06] <jpatrick> :/
[07:18] <jpatrick> so don't use LVM
[07:18] <DarkMaul> fair enough
[07:18] <DarkMaul> but how do i auto mount my second partion
[07:19] <DarkMaul> because when i do auto mount it leaves my second hdd untouched
[07:19] <jpatrick> It should mount if it is set as 'Use partition'
[07:19] <DarkMaul> well lets install my kubuntu first , then we will figure out how to unable the second drive
[07:19] <jpatrick> What partitions have you made?
[07:20] <DarkMaul> it did auto partition
[07:20] <jpatrick> okay
[07:20] <DarkMaul> 3 gig swAP ORE
[07:20] <DarkMaul> something
[07:21] <jpatrick> maybe we should manual
[07:21] <jpatrick> then we'll know where what is
[07:21] <DarkMaul> are you able to help me trough the partioning
[07:21] <jpatrick> can you go back to the partitioner?
[07:21] <DarkMaul> sure
[07:22] <jpatrick> OK
[07:22] <jpatrick> are you there? (the partitioner)
[07:23] <DarkMaul> check pm
[07:23] <jpatrick> :/
[07:26] <jpatrick> DarkMaul: you there?
[07:26] <DarkMaul> yes
[07:26] <DarkMaul> you want manueal partitions
[07:26] <DarkMaul> ?
[07:27] <DarkMaul> manually
[07:27] <jpatrick> I sent you a private message
[07:27] <DarkMaul> didnt get anything
[07:27] <DarkMaul> well do it here
[07:27] <jpatrick> ok
[07:28] <DarkMaul> 'well what should i do
[07:28] <jpatrick> Make a new partition of 10GBs with a mount point of '/' and ext3 filesystem
[07:29] <jpatrick> or do you want to use the entire HD?
[07:31] <DarkMaul> full partition
[07:31] <DarkMaul> oww i see it
[07:31] <jpatrick> :)
[07:31] <DarkMaul> there i can also make ny second disc
[07:32] <jpatrick> now make another partition of 9GBs, mount == /home and ext3
[07:33] <DarkMaul> what will this home dir do
[07:33] <jpatrick> then a swap partition of lets say 2GBs
[07:34] <jpatrick> home dir = your system settings and documents
[07:34] <DarkMaul> but lets say when i install a few games
[07:34] <DarkMaul> that directory will be full in a few minutes
[07:34] <DarkMaul> right
[07:34] <jpatrick> okay 50GBs
[07:35] <DarkMaul> keeej just a sec'
[07:35] <jpatrick> make it as big as you want
[07:36] <DarkMaul> okay
[07:36] <DarkMaul> and the second HDD
[07:36] <DarkMaul> ?
[07:36] <jpatrick> if you install the games in root you might want to make that bigger
[07:36] <jpatrick> Not sure about HD2
[07:36] <DarkMaul> omg
[07:36] <DarkMaul> lol
[07:37] <DarkMaul> the second drive thats my whole problem
[07:37] <jpatrick> maybe root on the first HD and /home on the other
[07:38] <jpatrick> just leave 2-3GBs for swap
[07:38] <DarkMaul> iam getting like 4 ore 5 drives'
[07:39] <DarkMaul> this is a pain
[07:39] <DarkMaul> i don think kubuntu will be my distro
[07:39] <jpatrick> :(
[07:39] <DarkMaul> i think ill be getting back to Fedora
[07:40] <jpatrick> lets just try this
[07:41] <jpatrick> what do the 3 drives have
[07:41] <jpatrick> ?
[07:43] <DarkMaul> naah i dont want it all separated
[07:44] <DarkMaul> sorry but this is not what i want
[07:44] <jpatrick> so just make one root partition
[07:45] <jpatrick> but it's good to have a separate /home partition if you reinstall/install another Linux distro
[07:46] <jpatrick> leave some space for a swap partition
[07:48] <jpatrick> and install away
[07:49] <DarkMaul> keej lets give it a shot
[07:50] <jpatrick> remember the swap
[07:50] <DarkMaul> yes
[07:50] <jpatrick> around 3GBs
[07:50] <DarkMaul> but what should i give the second HDD
[07:51] <jpatrick> your /home
[07:52] <DarkMaul> okay
[07:52] <DarkMaul> so first drive
[07:52] <DarkMaul> 3 gig swap
[07:52] <DarkMaul> 157 root ??
[07:53] <jpatrick> yeah
[07:53] <jpatrick> if you want to use the whole thing
[07:55] <jpatrick> the rest == /home
[07:55] <jpatrick> mount point == /home :)
[07:55] <DarkMaul> i let it auto set the drive
[07:55] <DarkMaul> it auto uses the whole drive
[07:56] <jpatrick> right
[07:56] <jpatrick> when your done hit next
[07:57] <DarkMaul> it going now
[07:57] <jpatrick> :D
[07:58] <DarkMaul> dinner time
[07:58] <jpatrick> :9
[08:22] <elvirolo> hi all
[08:23] <elvirolo> i installed k3b-mp3 but k3b still won't deal with mp3's
[08:25] <OculusAquilae> elvirolo: breezy or hoary?
[08:25] <elvirolo> breezy
[08:26] <elvirolo> wait, i'm trying to recompile it
[08:26] <elvirolo> brb
[08:26] <OculusAquilae> have you installed mp3 support?
[08:26] <elvirolo_away> yes
[08:29] <pointwood> anyone else had problems with upgrading to firefox 1.0.7?
[08:29] <pointwood> using apt-get
[08:30] <apokryphos> pointwood: quite a few have
[08:31] <apokryphos> disable backports, remove firefox, update your apt, then install firefox
[08:31] <kurt_> With the 3.5 beta I get the error "Could not start process cannot talk to klauncher."
[08:31] <kurt_> anyone know why?
[08:31] <apokryphos> kurt_: a known and annoying bug (with no apparent fix, afaik, at the moment)
[08:31] <pointwood> apokryphos: is there a solution?
[08:32] <apokryphos> pointwood: yes, the one I mentioned.
[08:32] <kurt_> apokryphos: thanks.
[08:32] <pointwood> oh, sorry - missed that :)
[08:32] <pointwood> thx :)
[08:32] <apokryphos> np
[08:56] <edulix> my system seems really broken;
[08:56] <edulix> it's just apt problems
[08:56] <jpatrick> edulix: what did you do?
[08:56] <edulix> apt-get -f install tries to remove 702mb of packages
[08:57] <edulix> jpatrick: the only problem is this:
[08:57] <edulix> http://rafb.net/paste/results/fkHyb231.html
[08:58] <edulix> I'm using hoary
[08:59] <jpatrick> :/
[08:59] <edulix> what happened is that I tried to install latest skype, but it needed a new version of libqt3c102-mt
[08:59] <jpatrick> done: sudo apt-get remove skype?
[09:00] <edulix> what happened is that I tried to install latest skype, but it needed a new version of libqt3c102-mt, so I tried luck downloading the package from debian servers and tried an dpkg -i and it's broken now (it didn't get isntalled because of debian deps)
[09:00] <edulix> the solution would be to "install" kubuntu suplied version libqt3c102-mt. in fact, it's already isntalled!
[09:01] <jpatrick> maybe the already installed ones from Debian
[09:01] <edulix> no, it didn't get installed
[09:01] <edulix> it's just apt thinks it did. other times it has happened this to me but not so badly
[09:02] <edulix> (normally apt-get -f remove did the trick)
[09:02] <edulix> apt-cache show libqt3c102-mt says that I have (k)ubuntu version
[09:03] <edulix> I don't know then what's the problem then
[09:04] <seth_k|lappy> man, Breezy is not happy today... apt segfaults when I try to run it
[09:05] <seth_k|lappy> and thunderbird segfaults too -_-
[09:06] <edulix> the problem is that apt says "but version xx is to be installed". I want him to know that, in fact, it's NOT to be installed
[09:06] <edulix> how to do that? :P
[09:18] <aseigo> Riddell: ping?
[09:19] <Riddell> aseigo: hi
[09:19] <aseigo> Riddell: did you build the 3.5 beta w/out debug symbols?
[09:19] <Riddell> aseigo: same as normal packages, so yes
[09:20] <icke> hi, can anyone help me?
[09:20] <aseigo> Riddell: hum. that makes backtraces completely useless =(
[09:20] <aseigo> Riddell: and really defeats part of the purpose of having betas, doesn't it?
[09:21] <Riddell> a fair point
[09:21] <aseigo> perhaps future betas you could turn on debug? assuming that's not insanely time consuming for you tod o
[09:21] <Riddell> there is kdelibs4c2-dbg
[09:22] <Riddell> for the libraries
[09:22] <icke> i did a fresh install of the Kubuntu Breezy Preview, dual boot with Win XP Pro. Every thing worked but now there are two (+the recovery ones) GRUB entries for Kubuntu: vmlinuz-2.6.12-8-386 and vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386, which should i use, do they use different settings, or just another kernel version? (I updated the kernel through Synaptic)
[09:23] <Riddell> aseigo: I'll look into it for future builds
[09:23] <edulix> icke: use the one you want :)
[09:24] <aseigo> Riddell: awesome.. thanks =)
[09:24] <edulix> icke: it's just that when updating the kernel version, the old entry is not replaced by the new one, but just the new one is added
[09:24] <icke> thx; edulix
[09:24] <icke> ah
[09:24] <icke> ill just comment the 2.6.12-8-386 one
[09:25] <edulix> yeah that would do the trick :)
[09:29] <elvirolo_away> i tried following instructions from HOWTO's in the forums, but i still can't get k3b to handle mp3's
[09:29] <elvirolo_away> can anyone help me ?
[09:30] <libben> whats this ?
[09:30] <libben> You may replace bluez's pin helper program with kbluepin; it is located in /usr/lib/kdebluetooth now
[09:30] <libben> comes up when i restart
[09:31] <libben> what its replacing?
[09:32] <seth_k|lappy> you should replace bluez's pin helper with kbluepin in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf
[09:32] <seth_k|lappy> that message is so you don't forget to do it
[09:32] <edulix> does kubuntu use prelink ? I haven't seen any prelinking in my system since time ago, maybe a prelink -afmR will make my system a little faster?
[09:34] <libben> seth_k|lappy: so i do sudo nano hcid.conf and replace the line with kbluepin?
[09:35] <icke> how can i dl the w32codecs without apt-get?
[09:36] <icke> nvm
[09:36] <icke> g2g
[09:36] <icke> BEER!
[09:36] <libben> set
[09:36] <libben> seth_k|lappy:
[09:36] <libben> # PIN helper
[09:36] <libben> 	pin_helper /usr/bin/bluez-pin;
[09:36] <elvirolo_away> sry i was disconnected ... so, any ideas ?
[09:37] <libben> so ill just change that line to ?   pin_helper /usr/lib/kdebluetooth
[09:37] <libben> ?
[09:37] <libben> is that right seth_k|lappy ?
[09:37] <wwalter> I'm trying to compile the wacom driver and its telling me it can't find the xorg SDK. I can't find any package that looks like an xorg sdk which one do i need to get
[09:43] <seth_k|lappy> libben, yes
[09:43] <seth_k|lappy> libben, sorry about the d/c ;)
[09:46] <lunitik> wwalter: x-dev more than likely...
[09:49] <wwalter> lunitik: thks but it didn't seem to work
[09:52] <RogueJediX> Could someone help me with tweaking amaroK?
[09:53] <libben> seth_k|lappy: is there a way of getting it running without a restart ?
[09:54] <seth_k|lappy> libben, sudo /etc/init.d/bluez-utils restart
[09:56] <libben> seth_k|lappy: is the line really right?
[09:56] <seth_k|lappy> yes...
[09:56] <libben> k
[09:56] <libben> hmm
[09:56] <libben> so whats supposed to happend?
[09:57] <libben> cause my bt icon is greyed
[09:57] <seth_k|lappy> well now you have to scan for a device
[09:57] <libben> how do i scan
[09:57] <libben> right klick on it
[09:57] <libben> and then do pairing ?
[10:01] <seth_k|lappy> I just sent a file from my phone and it paired automatically
[10:02] <libben> aah
[10:02] <libben> like that
[10:03] <RogueJediX> Does anyone know why my amaroK takes 5 seconds or more reading the next song (and consenquently starts playing it at 0:05 or more)?
[10:07] <Blissex> RogueJediX: we are sorry, but all of our psychic advisors are busy on other lines...
[10:08] <RogueJediX> Joy
[10:08] <zxsykco> =D
[10:09] <RogueJediX> This is really pissing me off. When it plays this way it sounds like it started playing midway
[10:09] <Blissex> RogueJediX: you might attempt to relate some more of the context, and whether you have done any investigation.
[10:09] <Blissex> RogueJediX: for example, whether you have been running 'vmstat 1' in a Konsole while the tragedy unfolds...
[10:10] <Blissex> RogueJediX: and where the songs are stored on, and distribution, and KDE version, and what kind of HW it is running on.
[10:10] <RogueJediX> Just a sec
[10:12] <RogueJediX> Distribution: Kubuntu Hoary, amaroK: 1.2.3, KDE: 3.4.2, songs are stored on my harddrive in a hidden folder and my sound card is Muse XL
[10:13] <othernoob> RogueJediX: ever wondered what Settings may be?...what the greater meaning behind Configure Amarok could possibly be?
[10:14] <othernoob> RogueJediX: ever asked yourself what effect Crossfading could have on playback?
[10:14] <RogueJediX> It's not set on crossfading
[10:14] <RogueJediX> It's set on no crossfading and the gap+s been set to 2500 ms
[10:15] <othernoob> tried changing that?
[10:15] <Blissex> RogueJediX: 2500 is 2.5 seconds...
[10:16] <RogueJediX> Yup, several times
[10:17] <RogueJediX> Blissex: I know. Are you saying that the silence gap doesn't go into the next track?
[10:17] <Blissex> RogueJediX: to make othernoob's hitn more explicit: It is unlikely it is a performance problem, so it is more likely that that it is a config problem.
[10:18] <RogueJediX> Blissex: I don't think so. Whenever it's switching to the next track, I get a busy cursor for about 5 seconds, amaroK stops responding for a while and then it starts playing
[10:18] <jrattner1> When I boot ubuntu, I'm greated with a choice to boot either ubuntu or windows, is there any way that I could change the bootloader to something a little more aestetically pleasing, like with graphics?
[10:19] <othernoob> Blissex: have you tried it with no gap at all?
[10:20] <Blissex> RogueJediX: uhm very odd. Try running 'vmstat 1' or the 'System monitor' applet to see if CPU spikes during those 5 seconds.
[10:20] <othernoob> Blissex: i remember the aRts engine causing problems with crossfading..tried a different one?
[10:21] <othernoob> uh,, whoops..
[10:22] <other|away> meh..
[10:24] <RogueJediX> Blissex: Nope, no spikes
[10:24] <other|away> RogueJediX: did you try a different engine?
[10:26] <RogueJediX> other|away: Just switched to xine, yeah. That seemed to do the trick, thanks.
[10:28] <other|away> you're welcome
[10:29] <johan> kubuntu on laptop is good
[10:39] <seth_k|lappy> why does kubuntu-desktop depend on hpijs and hplip-base? I don't own an HP printer and don't want the thing running on boot <_<
[10:40] <seth_k|lappy> jrattner1, sure
[10:40] <seth_k|lappy> jrattner1, just install a GRUBsplash
[10:40] <jrattner1> seth_k|lappy, sounds good man
[10:40] <jrattner1> got one more question maybe you could help me with
[10:40] <jrattner1> how do i stop sendmail from sarting at boot timeWhen I boot my laptop, it gives me the choice whether to boot WIndows XP or linux.  This whole prompt set is in text mode.  Previously on SuSE their was a nice pretty GUI to do this instead of text mode.  Any one got
[10:40] <jrattner1> oops
[10:40] <jrattner1> ignore that
[10:41] <seth_k|lappy> here's the howto for splashes: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30341
[10:41] <jrattner1> how to i stop sendmail from starting at boot time
[10:41] <seth_k|lappy> and if you don't want sendmail, remove it
[10:41] <jrattner1> sounds good
[10:41] <seth_k|lappy> probably you actually have postfix installed, not sendmail
[10:42] <jrattner1> ahh
[10:42] <jrattner1> thats it
[10:42] <jrattner1> seth_k|lappy, do I want to mark it for removal or COMPLETE removal?
[10:43] <libben> complete removes the files too
[10:43] <seth_k|lappy> no, complete removes configuration files too
[10:43] <jrattner1> so complete removal?
[10:43] <jrattner1> ?
[10:43] <seth_k|lappy> complete is fine
[10:43] <libben> yeah,..
[10:43] <libben> and remove leaves the conf files.. but removes the program files
[10:43] <seth_k|lappy> right
[10:44] <libben> F*****k what a long time it takes to install AA
[10:44] <libben> 700 mb run file =)
[10:44] <seth_k|lappy> don't install AA... 2.3 is the latest for Linux and most of the servers are now 2.4
[10:44] <libben> hmm... i want to remove all printing things in this box.
[10:44] <libben> dont own a printer and a printer shall never touch this box anyway
[10:44] <libben> so i can complete remove cupsd?
[10:45] <libben> touchpad daemon i can also remove. no laptop here
[10:45] <libben> what more to remove .... hmm =)
[11:07] <eddrex> does anyone have info on the kdeinit/kded problem?
[11:08] <Tm_T> hm
[11:08] <eddrex> fresh install of ubuntu > add 3.5b1 repos > install kubuntu-desktop = kde won't start?
[11:08] <Tm_T> no, but I finally got my webcam working in kopete
[11:09] <Tm_T> eddrex: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[11:09] <eddrex> Tm_T: really?? msn? is it compiled into the 3.5b1 package?
[11:09] <Tm_T> eddrex: dunno
[11:09] <Tm_T> eddrex: I use svn ;)
[11:10] <eddrex> Tm_T: tried. I removed the extra repos, removed everything in the kde cat, reinstalled with the stock breezy packages, still no kde!
[11:11] <eddrex> is there a more correct way to "roll back" extra repositories? like, "remove all packages which aren't available from a repos anymore"?
[11:12] <Tm_T> dunno
[11:14] <othernoob> Tm_T: do you perhaps have a dvdrw?
[11:14] <Tm_T> nope
[11:14] <eddrex> can anybody point me to a self-serve resource for current kubuntu breezy bugs etc? i'm having trouble finding much
[11:14] <Tm_T> othernoob: why?
[11:15] <othernoob> Tm_T: am interested in someone elses output of cdrecord -prcap dev=/dev/hdX
[11:15] <othernoob> to compare it with mine
[11:15] <othernoob> and figure out why cdrecord now thinks that my dvdrw is 4x instead of 8x
[11:16] <Tm_T> ah
[11:16] <othernoob> it's quite annoying knowing that i can burn faster in windows :/
[11:17] <libben> othernoob: have u enabled dma on ur cd/dvd drive ?
[11:17] <eddrex> i know there is a known bug, I overheard foodcoman talking about it last night, but google doesn't know about it.
[11:17] <othernoob> libben: of course
[11:17] <libben> k
[11:34] <eddrex> ok, I found the kubuntu-bugs list, so I'll stop whining
[11:34] <regeya> heh.
[11:37] <alexmic> hi all
[11:50] <mesut> hi
[11:52] <mesut> does anybody know how to find a flash player and java plugin for firefox on Ubuntu 64bit
[11:53] <mesut> Cant run java applets and flash content on Kubuntu 64bit
[11:53] <libben> Xlib:  extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:53] <libben> i says this in konsol
[11:53] <libben> and i run americas army
[11:53] <libben> and its quite choppy
[11:53] <libben> should run better
[11:53] <libben> has it to do with the Xlib is missing ?
[11:53] <alexmic> Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0". in root or sudo commands?
[11:54] <libben> just in console when i minimize the game
[11:54] <libben> im of to change resolution ingame. and it takes me to konsole
[11:54] <libben> and it says that
[11:54] <alexmic> have you activated transludency and shadows -> composite options in xorg.conf?
[11:54] <libben> not what i know of
[11:55] <libben> default values
[11:55] <libben> so no
[11:55] <libben> havent activated that
[11:56] <mesut> does anyone use AMD64 version?
[11:56] <libben> what to type for reconfiguring the glx thingy?
[11:56] <rdw200169> i do
[11:56] <mesut> yes
[11:57] <rdw200169> flash will work only under a chroot type thing
[11:57] <mesut> do you use firtefox?
[11:57] <rdw200169> i use it all
[11:57] <libben> btw, earlier when i typed glxgears i could see a value in console of fps...
[11:57] <mesut> how can I get it to work
[11:57] <libben> now i never gets any
[11:57] <rdw200169> so i did a chroot and installed firefox for 32bit and flash and then it worked
[11:57] <libben> and the gears doesnt go in crazy speed sort of speak
[11:57] <rdw200169> i found a good howto in the ubuntu forums
[11:58] <libben> but quake3 runs good
[11:58] <narg> libben: Thats odd, does glxgears not get any fps, or just very few?
[11:58] <mesut> I will look for it too thanks
[11:58] <chavo> libben, looks like it's a problem with AA
[11:58] <chavo> I just looked on google
[11:58] <rdw200169> java worked fine in 64bit
[11:59] <rdw200169> i just got the original from sun microsystems
[11:59] <alexmic> libben *apparently* the message says a graphic extension OR library OR soft is missing in your PC, i checked my apt-cache nothings results so maybe on the AA's site u could find it
[11:59] <rdw200169> and installed it myself
[11:59] <mesut> which java plugin?
[12:00] <libben> xlibs - X Window System client library transitional package
[12:00] <rdw200169> i think it was like this: i had to install all of java and inside one of the files was the plugin for mozilla firefox
[12:00] <libben> that i found in my apt-cache search
[12:00] <mesut> they dont have a plugin for firefox
[12:00] <rdw200169> i moved that file into the firefox 32bit version plugin directory
[12:00] <mesut> if you use AMD64 versin
[12:00] <mesut> I see
[12:01] <chavo> libben, have you upgraded xorg since you installed your graphics drivers?
[12:01] <rdw200169> using the chroot 32bit version you can make it work
[12:01] <rdw200169> one day 64 bit ubuntu will be perfect when they figure out how to do the 32/64 compatibility layer like suse does ;)


[00:16] <Corkster> okay when do we start talking nice about the nominees :)
[00:18] <bimberi> At the meeting or on their wikipage :)
[00:19] <Corkster> is that the same place where we post the compromising pictures ?
[00:21] <HardDisk> Corkey :)
[00:21] <HardDisk> I need your support man not to have me banned
[00:21] <HardDisk> on the 17th
[00:22] <HardDisk> Corkster, http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=6&day=17&year=2008&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[00:22] <Corkster> heh
[00:23] <Corkster> so i guess ill loose the tomatoe and pink nighty pictures
[00:23] <HardDisk> this room is where all the official big guys come here to meet
[11:50] <HardDisk> thank you elkbuntu
[11:50] <HardDisk> appreciate it very much
[11:50] <elkbuntu> no problem
[11:51] <HardDisk> and don't worry I don't abuse these things, I've been op before on other networks
[11:51] <HardDisk> I'm a very tolerant person
[11:51] <elkbuntu> just make sure you make #ubuntu-eg rock :)
[11:51] <HardDisk> promise
[11:51] <HardDisk> shukran!
[11:51] <HardDisk> haha
[11:51] <elkbuntu> :)
[11:52] <HardDisk> btw this means I can also be part of #ubuntu-ops correct? learn some things from the experienced ubuntu ops
[11:52] <HardDisk> just to join, nothing more.
[11:53] <elkbuntu> HardDisk, #ubuntu-irc is best. #ubuntu-ops is mainly for the main channels. it's too much to deal with all channels there
[11:53] <HardDisk> ok, I wasn't going to talk much anyway :) just mostly idle and get some pointers, but if this is better, that's fine.
[11:53] <elkbuntu> things can get pretty messy when we get hit by botnets and naughty people
[11:53] <HardDisk> understood.
[11:54] <elkbuntu> you're actually in #ubuntu-meeting at the moment, so lets move to #ubuntu-irc now :)
[11:54] <HardDisk> oops
[11:54] <HardDisk> didn't notice!


[01:51] <prenzip> hello
[01:52] <prenzip> Anybody still alive at this hour?
[08:34] <prenzip> hi
[22:09] <jshortland> hello