[00:00] <pezdispenser> pretty frustrated with this right now
[00:32] <billy_bob> Can someone help me get easytether to work with my android phone?
[00:32] <billy_bob> I'm having a problem
[00:37] <hello> but you dont have tethering in your phone already @ billy_bob
[00:39] <billy_bob> @hello, no I do not have tethering already on my phone
[00:39] <billy_bob> hello, I got a different tethering program to work for my windows boot, but I'm trying to get Ubuntu to work
[00:41] <billy_bob> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509511/
[00:41] <billy_bob> is the error i get
[00:43] <wade_> hey whats up
[00:50] <hello> hi there ,
[00:50] <Marseillais> irc.unixircd.mk
[00:50] <Marseillais> #irc.unixircd.mk
[00:56] <eelstrebor> i got part of my problems fixed but i can't install wine without uninstalling a lot of stuff such as vlc (why would installing wine remove vlc?) - i guess i should try ANOTHER fresh install
[01:02] <lordcirth> eelstrebor, are you trying to install the wrong version of wine?  Follow the chain, see why it tries to remove vlc.  Different library versions, probably
[01:04] <SaintMoriarty> Hello after a month of not restarting my time is off by a minute or so, how can i force a ntpdate daily?
[01:06] <lordcirth> SaintMoriarty, isn't there a systemd service for that?
[01:06] <SaintMoriarty> not sure.... is there?
[01:06] <eelstrebor> lordcirth, wine 1.8 like my other boxes have
[01:07] <billy_bob> Can anyone recommend an easy to install tethering program I can connect to my android phone?
[01:07] <lordcirth> SaintMoriarty, systemctl status time-sync.target
[01:08] <SaintMoriarty> sudo: systemctl: command not found
[01:08] <SaintMoriarty> I am running Ubuntu 14.04
[01:08] <vfw> SaintMoriarty: Loose the :
[01:08] <lordcirth> SaintMoriarty, ah, you should say that, then
[01:09] <lordcirth> vfw, what?
[01:09] <squinty> the colon is part of the error message
[01:09] <vfw> do not type the colons
[01:09] <vfw> Oh ok.
[01:09] <squinty> he didn't
[01:10] <vfw> So, SaintMoriarty does not have sodo installed?
[01:10] <lordcirth> vfw, he does
[01:10] <vfw> SaintMoriarty: Not sure that is the exact error message.  Look again.
[01:10] <SaintMoriarty> it doesn't work either way vfw
[01:10] <lordcirth> SaintMoriarty, I think adding a cron job to run ntpdate might be easiest
[01:11] <squinty> SaintMoriarty,  are you sure you have ntp internet update checked in your Settings?
[01:11] <SaintMoriarty> should i do a release updatE?
[01:11] <lordcirth> vfw, the error message is exactly what it says, he doesn't have systemctl, because he's on 14.04
[01:11] <blackflow> ubuntu 14.04 does not have systemd nor systemctl
[01:11] <SaintMoriarty> squinty, where is that so I can check?
[01:11] <vfw> lordcirth: Oh ok.  Sorry.
[01:12] <squinty> SaintMoriarty,  System setting -> time and date
[01:12] <SaintMoriarty> im connect via ssh
[01:13] <lordcirth> cron may not be the perfect solution, but it will work
[01:14] <blackflow> or you can just start the ntpd service
[01:14] <blackflow> which should be installed and runnign btw. if it isn't, there should be a package for ntpd
[01:14] <blackflow> !info ntpd
[01:14] <blackflow> !info ntp
[01:15] <lordcirth> Oh right, I'm dumb.  I was thinking that ntpd was only for others to contact
[01:15] <blackflow> well, it does listen on public IPs, so make sure you put it behind a firewall.
[01:16] <SaintMoriarty> I do have it isntalled
[01:16] <lordcirth> SaintMoriarty, is it running?
[01:16] <SaintMoriarty> yes
[01:17] <lordcirth> does it's log have errors?
[01:17] <SaintMoriarty> no errors
[01:17] <SaintMoriarty> not sure if a frequency is set
[01:17] <SaintMoriarty> where are the configs?
[01:17] <lordcirth> presumably in /etc like everything else
[01:18] <vfw> blackflow: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/wily/man8/systemd-timesyncd.service.8.html
[01:18] <blackflow> vfw: what with it?
[01:19] <lordcirth> vfw, did you forget the bit where he doesn't have systemd?
[01:19] <squinty> 14.04 doesn't have systemd vfw   :-)
[01:19] <vfw> blackflow: Are you looking for time syncronization?  Oh, sorry.
[01:19] <blackflow> vfw: I'm not, SaintMoriarty is. :)
[01:19] <Bashing-om> SaintMoriarty: See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime .
[01:21] <vfw> blackflow: Well, systemd is available for 14.04
[01:21] <blackflow> maybe, but not installed by default
[01:21] <blackflow> and something tells me installing it would be a helluva PITA
[01:22] <vfw> blackflow: Ok, well maybe it's not such a good idea...
[01:22] <pezdispenser_> Hi,  I was trying to be able to stream my webcam to multiple souces,
[01:22] <blackflow> vfw: definitely not.
[01:23] <vfw> blackflow: But, I have heard from those that installed it on 14.04 and are doing ok, so I dono.
[01:23] <SaintMoriarty> i am going to do the release upgrade
[01:23] <SaintMoriarty> wish me luck
[01:23] <pezdispenser_> i used v4l2loopback to create copies of /dev/vid1 successfully,  but doesn't seem to work with skype or flash sites,  does anyone know how to do this ?
[01:24] <vfw> blackflow: ... anyway, sorry for the confusion / misinformation
[01:24] <blackflow> vfw: if it was ready for 14.04, it would've been part of it, or at least of 14.10, but it wasn't until 15.04
[01:34] <Vysty> I want to format my computer and reinstall Ubuntu. Does anyone have a good step-by-step resource that I can follow for doing that?
[01:35] <lordcirth> Vysty, reinstall, wiping everything?
[01:35] <Vysty> Ya.
[01:35] <thingfish> you don't really need a guide, it's so easy.
[01:35] <Vysty> My system has just gotten too buggy and I want to start fresh.
[01:36] <lordcirth> Vysty, boot the CD, and choose 'erase everything and install Ubuntu'
[01:36] <lordcirth> done
[01:36] <Vysty> Oh, I forgot to add: I need to back up all my stuff and put it back on the system.
[01:36] <lordcirth> so, not wiping everything
[01:36] <vfw> Vysty: The Ubuntu install process provides for re-formatting.
[01:36] <lordcirth> Vysty, copy your stuff somewhere else, then
[01:37] <Vysty> I've got a 1 TB external HD that I've backed up to using both SimpleBackup and the Backups program that's on Ubuntu 16.04
[01:37] <vfw> Vysty: But it may not be that difficult to fix what you have.
[01:37] <vfw> Vysty: What do you have installed now?
[01:37] <Vysty> vfw: I've been battling with problems for over a week now and I'm at the end of my rope. What do you recommend?
[01:37] <Vysty> 16.04. I just reinstalled from 14.04 and my system got buggy as hell.
[01:37] <lordcirth> Vysty, so if you have backups, why do you need a guide?  Have you tested the backups?
[01:38] <vfw> Vysty: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:38] <Vysty> lordcirth: No! How do I test them?
[01:38] <lordcirth> Vysty, well, you restore them somewhere.  I'm sure they work, but it is a general rule that untested backups aren't backups
[01:39] <Vysty> Ungh. That's what makes me nervous.
[01:39] <vfw> Vysty: What makes you nervous?
[01:39] <Vysty> That my backups may not have been done properly.
[01:40] <vfw> Vysty: Try the command I gave you.  See that it is fully updated.
[01:40] <vfw> Vysty: Do you have a separate partition for /home/ ?
[01:40] <Vysty> Good question. I don't remember.
[01:40] <Vysty> The last time I partitioned stuff was like... 2 years ago.
[01:41] <lordcirth> Yeah, if you have a separate /home, then it's easier
[01:41] <vfw> cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:41] <pos> vfw, don't
[01:41] <pos> Vysty, don't do what he tells you to do
[01:41] <lordcirth> why not?
[01:41] <Vysty> Heh, great.
[01:41] <pos> lordcirth, netcat?
[01:42] <vfw> pos: Why not?
[01:42] <Vysty> I already did that by the way.
[01:42] <neldogz> I have the proprietary NVidia drivers installed, can I upgrade to the latest kernel without breaking my system?
[01:42] <Vysty> Result: http://termbin.com/52n4
[01:42] <lordcirth> pos, what's wrong with pastebining fstab?
[01:42] <vfw> Vysty: Ok. No.  You do not have separate /home/ partition.
[01:42] <lordcirth> Vysty, so no, you don't have a separate home
[01:43] <Vysty> It's the hard way then, huh?
[01:43] <pos> nothing in and of itself, but fstab may contain sensitive details and do you really trust every step between you and termbin (or termbin itself)?
[01:43] <vfw> Vysty: So you need to make sure your backup is good.
[01:43] <Vysty> Well, are one of you guys able to help me determine the best course of action and help me through it?
[01:43] <lordcirth> your fstab shouldn't contain secrets, and if it did, I suspect he'd know
[01:43] <lordcirth> But fair point
[01:44] <Vysty> My Ubuntu knowledge is so pot-holed that I'm afraid to go working on it by myself.
[01:44] <vfw> pos: Really?  It does not have any personal information.
[01:44] <pos> UUIDs are universally identifiable, for instance
[01:44] <OerHeks> UUID's are not sensitive
[01:44] <Vysty> lordcirth: Yea I'm wondering what fstab is. :P (Don't worry about explaining it.)
[01:44] <lordcirth> vfw, it's possible for network mounts to have passwords specified
[01:44] <lordcirth> Vysty, the file that configures where to mount your filesystems
[01:44] <Bashing-om> neldogz: Doubtful, as the driver is built on the instaled kernel, A good chance in installing the new kernel that the driver will not build .
[01:44] <Vysty> And he told me anyway. :P
[01:44] <lordcirth> FileSystem TABle
[01:45] <lordcirth> Vysty, learning is good :)
[01:45] <OerHeks> if one puts passwords for mounting shares in fstab, yikes ..
[01:45] <vfw> lordcirth: Well, didn't think of that, but it is a rather remote possibility.
[01:45] <Vysty> Anyway, so how do I check to make sure my backups are good?
[01:45] <neldogz> Bashing-om, I was afraid of that, thank you for that
[01:45] <Vysty> It's still doing the apt-update.
[01:45] <vfw> lordcirth: And passwords can be changed.
[01:46] <lordcirth> vfw, well, that's not a good reason to leak passwords, lol
[01:46] <Bashing-om> neldogz: Should bot be a big deal to revert to nouveau .. and in the new kernel install the proprietary driver once more .
[01:46] <vfw> lordcirth: you and pos are overly parinoid.
[01:46] <pos> vfw, it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you
[01:47] <lordcirth> vfw, no, just him :P Besides, I work in IT, it's my job
[01:47] <neldogz> Bashing-om, good idea, I will give that a try :)
[01:47] <vfw> pos: lordcirth No passwords were compromised.  It's ok.
[01:48] <Vysty> vfw: How do I go about checking that my backups are good?
[01:50] <vfw> Vysty: Just have to look at the files and compare.  And you can do a second backup.  One of the two will be ok.
[01:50] <Vysty> I already did two.
[01:50] <Vysty> Which two different programs.
[01:50] <vfw> Vysty: You should be ok.
[01:50] <Vysty> With*
[01:50] <Vysty> alright then.
[01:51] <OerHeks> man rsync -c ( --checksum)
[01:51] <Vysty> When I go about this, is there a good reason to upgrade to 16.10 from 16.04?
[01:51] <lordcirth> Vysty, not really
[01:51] <Vysty> Or is hanging around 16.04 worthwhile?
[01:51] <vfw> Vysty: no
[01:51] <Vysty> Great.
[01:51] <vfw> !lts | Vysty
[01:51] <Vysty> Second, what's the best way to partition things, keeping in mind I have a backup to put back into the system.
[01:51] <OerHeks> only if you have recent hardware, 16.10 is oke
[01:52] <vfw> Vysty: I always like a separate /home/ partition.
[01:52] <reisio> Vysty: depends on whether you think you will be too lazy to upgrade in five solid years or not
[01:52] <Vysty> It's been awhile since I've done this. Aren't there several partitions I should be clear about having?
[01:52] <reisio> you only actually require one, /
[01:53] <reisio> it's frequently very convenient to also have a dedicated partition for swap, though
[01:53] <lordcirth> separate /home is nice, as you have seen
[01:53] <lordcirth> swap is good.
[01:53] <vfw> Vysty: Doing a fresh install with separate /home/ partition is nice and easy.
[01:53] <reisio> separate /home is fairly pointless
[01:53] <vfw> reisio: Really?
[01:53] <reisio> yup
[01:53] <lordcirth> Personally I have / and /home as btrfs subvolumes
[01:53] <lordcirth> But that's just me
[01:53] <reisio> if your distro can't be updated without a "fresh" reinstall, it's not a distro worth using (or you need to figure out how to properly use it)
[01:53] <blackflow> it's not pointless if you have a nice fs like ZFS
[01:53] <vfw> Vysty: I suggest / and /home/ and swap (three partitons). Depending on the size of your HD.
[01:54] <vfw> Vysty: What is the size of your HD?
[01:54] <reisio> it's always pointless, moreso if you use a single FS
[01:54] <blackflow> you can define encryption, compression, and other params different from the rest of the system
[01:54] <Vysty> 500 GB
[01:54] <reisio> the original ideal reason to use separate partitions was to specialize each partition with a different FS
[01:54] <reisio> which none of you are doing
[01:54] <vfw> Vysty: How much RAM?
[01:54] <Vysty> Uhh... how do I found out?
[01:54] <vfw> Vysty: free
[01:54] <vfw> free -h
[01:54] <Vysty> I forgot what this thing has.
[01:55] <pos> reisio, oh, ro,nuexec,nosuid,nodev are also valid options
[01:55] <Vysty> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:55] <Vysty> Oops.
[01:55] <Vysty>   total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available Mem:           3.6G        1.1G        312M         69M        2.2G        2.1G Swap:          3.7G          0B        3.7G
[01:55] <reisio> pos: hrmm?
[01:55] <lordcirth> noexec /home?  That's a bit much.  I use ~/bin
[01:55] <vfw> Vysty: I suggest 80G for /home, 4G for swap and the rest for /home/
[01:55] <lordcirth> nosuid makes sense
[01:55] <vfw> Vysty: Wrong
[01:55] <pos> I'm saying that one might use several partitions for other things than different fs
[01:56] <lordcirth> vfw, you mean 80GB / ? :P
[01:56] <reisio> 4gb for swap, the rest for /
[01:56] <vfw> Vysty: Correction:  80G for /, 4G for swap and the rest for /home/
[01:56] <Vysty> No.
[01:56] <vfw> lordcirth: Yes,
[01:56] <Vysty> I should have 500G
[01:56] <vfw> Vysty: What?
[01:57] <Vysty> I don't know remember why these partitions are broken up the way they are, but I've got a 321 GB partition here.
[01:57] <vfw> Vysty: sudo fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:57] <vfw> Vysty: Lets' have a look
[01:57] <ohlolz> my 16.10 usb installation loads the ubuntu dots but it doesn't offer me to try out or install ubuntu
[01:57] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/7lqo
[01:57] <ohlolz> ohlolz: just a black screen
[01:58] <ohlolz> help me pls
[01:58] <OerHeks> !nomodeset
[01:58] <anonvan94> Good Morning guys, just want to ask what application can we use to open .sketch files from sketchapp in mac
[01:58] <vfw> Vysty: Do you have a dual boot system?
[01:59] <ohlolz> i created the usb with Rufus
[01:59] <Vysty> Yes.
[01:59] <Vysty> Which can be wiped out.
[01:59] <OerHeks> anonvan94, export them to pdf > http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/65299/open-source-software-capable-of-open-sketch-files
[01:59] <Vysty> I kept Windows there just in case.
[01:59] <Vysty> Never used it.
[01:59] <ohlolz> can i just extract the ISO into an USB? or do i need Rufus to create something special?
[02:00] <cfhowlett> anonvan94, option B is to install wine > then install the .sketch app
[02:00] <vfw> Vysty: If you never use it, maybe you should just get rid of it.
[02:00] <Vysty> that's what's going to happen in this format I'm going to do.
[02:00] <anonvan94> DerHeks: Thanks for the url. I'll ask for pdf.
[02:00] <vfw> Vysty: Ok then.  Just do something like I suggested.
[02:01] <anonvan94> cfhowlett: Thanks man, I'll try it
[02:01] <cfhowlett> anonvan94, happy2help1
[02:01] <ohlolz> my intent to do a 16.10 usb installation loads the ubuntu dots but it doesn't offer me to try out or install ubuntu
[02:01] <ohlolz> my intent to do a 16.10 usb installation loads the ubuntu dots but it doesn't offer me to try out or install ubuntu just a black screen
[02:01] <Vysty> Alright, and we never had a consensus on whether to make a separate partition for the /home ?
[02:01] <reisio> ohlolz: try the minimal install image
[02:02] <vfw> Vysty: Yes, do it.
[02:02] <ohlolz> reisio: thanks
[02:02] <vfw> Vysty: Something like:  80G for /, 4G for swap and the rest for /home/
[02:02] <monlith___> I've ssh'ed into an ubuntu session and want to get a de running over ssh
[02:02] <monlith___> I believe this is possible according to various things I've found online
[02:02] <ohlolz> reisio: i don't know if i should try AMD64 or i386
[02:02] <monlith___> I know that I need to enable x forwarding and start x11 + lightdm
[02:02] <monlith___> Then launch my de
[02:03] <monlith___> But am having trouble doing this (not entirely sure how)
[02:03] <vfw> Vysty: If you ever do a fresh install again, you can leave /home/ partition as is.
[02:03] <OerHeks> monlith___, you "Installed lxde on base debian (no de)" ??
[02:03] <Vysty> Alright, then when I go to put my files back on, do I do that through a program or just click and drag?
[02:04] <monlith___> Yeah
[02:04] <reisio> ohlolz: probably amd64—what's your processor model?
[02:04] <monlith___> It's a friend's raspberry pi
[02:04] <vfw> Vysty: I don't know what you used to make the backups.
[02:04] <monlith___> I was wrong about the OS I think
[02:05] <Vysty> I used SimpleBackup in 14.04 right before I upgraded then Backups in 16.04
[02:05] <Vysty> Simple Backup created one big .rar file. Backups made a zillion little ones.
[02:05] <vfw> Vysty: Is it a gzip'ed file?
[02:05] <Vysty> Lemme look here.
[02:05] <vfw> Vysty: Did you just back-up /home/  ?
[02:06] <vfw> Vysty: Because that is all you want/need.
[02:06] <vfw> Vysty: If you did more than that, you need to re-do it.
[02:06] <Vysty> I think I just did /home. Shit.
[02:06] <Vysty> This is why I'm on here. I'm second-guessing everything that I did.
[02:07] <reisio> Vysty: rar file?
[02:07] <reisio> then that's a backup system not to use
[02:08] <vfw> Vysty: You can install SimpleBackup on your new install and restore via it's GUI interface.
[02:08] <vfw> Vysty: Ok, you need to back-up /home/Vysty/ and nothing more.
[02:09] <Vysty> Great.
[02:09] <Vysty> Will it make any difference if I go from Gnome --> Unity?
[02:09] <Vysty> I'm finally willing to give Unity a shot.
[02:09] <pwnguin> ever since i upgraded my laptop to 16.10, I get a lot of black boxes after suspend, until I restart unity with DISPLAY=:0 unity --replace
[02:09] <pwnguin> known bug?
[02:09] <vfw> Vysty: No, it should be ok that you  use Unity.
[02:10] <Vysty> Got it.
[02:10] <Vysty> Now, before I go and do that... something weird happened when I did my last reinstall.
[02:10] <vfw> Vysty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/SimpleBackupSuite
[02:10] <ohlolz> reisio: intel pentium n3700 i think
[02:11] <Vysty> All my data... moved a little bit, and I'm not sure how and why.
[02:11] <ohlolz> reisio: intel pentium n3700 i think
[02:12] <ZummiG777> Hey all, I'm curious about using one of those Cardboard-type 3D headsets to stream my Ubuntu desktop to my android phone, just to see if it can be done.  Does anybody know of good ways to do this?  I've seen SplashTop2, but it is only listed for older versions of Ubuntu.
[02:12] <vfw> Vysty: Ok, well what I saw in your fstab file is that you only used two of three partitions that were created for the Ubuntu install.  (You had about a 100G partition that you aparently did not use.)  I think that is what you are refering to.
[02:12] <ohlolz> reisio: amd64 or i386?
[02:13] <Vysty> vfw: right now in my /home, there is nothing but fresh install stuff. However, I have another 321 GB Volume drive, and if I go there, then go to "home", then "vyst", that's where all my data is.
[02:13] <SaintMoriarty> just finished the upgrade
[02:13] <pwnguin> http://imgur.com/a/xVsxU <-- compositor glitches
[02:13] <reisio> ohlolz: amd64
[02:13] <arthur_010> hello
[02:13] <arthur_010> :)
[02:13] <ohlolz> reisio: thank you
[02:13] <arthur_010> does anyone here knows peppermint os?
[02:14] <reisio> arthur_010: #polls
[02:14] <arthur_010> #polls
[02:14] <arthur_010> what
[02:14] <arthur_010> ?
[02:14] <cfhowlett> !ot | arthur_010
[02:14] <Vysty> vfw: Does that change anything or does that look normal?
[02:14] <cfhowlett> arthur_010, this is ubuntu. for peppermint, find it on google
[02:14] <arthur_010> @cfhowlett ok
[02:14] <arthur_010> @thanks
[02:14] <cfhowlett> bestofluck arthur_010
[02:15] <ApoKaLipS>  /server us.undernet.org
[02:15] <arthur_010> !ot | cfhowlett o
[02:16] <arthur_010> what the hell
[02:16] <arthur_010> goodbye
[02:16] <Vysty> vfw: Did I lose ya?
[02:17] <vfw> Vysty: It really doesn't matter if you re-partition the whole drive.  But it appears that your present install does not use the sda4 partiton.
[02:18] <Vysty> vfw: did you see what I wrote about all my data being in a different spot?
[02:19] <vfw> Vysty: Not sure what you mean "in my /home, there is nothing but fresh install stuff".  (That statement does not make any sense.)
[02:19] <vfw> Vysty: You may need to clarify what you said up there.
[02:20] <Vysty> Allow me to clarify.
[02:20] <Vysty> So when I open up "Files" on Unity here, and if I go to Home, none of my data from my previous install is there.
[02:21] <Vysty> "Fresh Install Stuff" are folders like Documents, Downloads, Music, etc. (There's nothing in them.)
[02:21] <vfw> Vysty: ls -l /home  #just paste it here, should be just one line.
[02:21] <vfw> Vysty: if not use pastebin
[02:21] <vfw> Vysty: ls -l /home |& nc termbin.com 9999
[02:22] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/4er9
[02:22] <vfw> Vysty: All your files are in /home/vyst  (as they should be)
[02:23] <Vysty> Whew.
[02:23] <Vysty> Sorry for being paranoid.
[02:23] <Vysty> I just want to ... triple mega ultra check.
[02:23] <vfw> Vysty: So if you look at the output of ls /home/vyst  you will see all your personal fils, (mostly just directories).
[02:24] <Vysty> Awesome.
[02:24] <Vysty> Could you look up how to install Simplebackup from the terminal for me? My computer is crashing when I open the Software Center.
[02:25] <vfw> Vysty: du -Sh /home/vyst  #Show us the last line, just paste it here.
[02:26] <Vysty> 60K /home/vyst
[02:26] <vfw> Vysty: sudo apt-get install simplebackup
[02:26] <vfw> Vysty: Is that all?
[02:27] <vfw> Vysty: only 60K?
[02:27] <Vysty> That's what it spit out.
[02:28] <Vysty> What's that number for?
[02:29] <vfw> Vysty: It is only 60 kilobytes
[02:29] <vfw> Vysty: That is like alomst nothing.   I copied and pasted.
[02:31] <overhop> How do you use grep to find a word that starts with one letter and end in another
[02:31] <Vysty> I know 60K is kilobytes, but 60K for what?
[02:32] <vfw> Vysty: That is all you have.  All of your personal files amounts to only 60 kylobytes.
[02:33] <Vysty> Yea that's silly.
[02:33] <Vysty> That's what my concern is---all my stuff isn't in my /home folder, it's somewhere else.
[02:34] <cfhowlett> !home | Vysty,
[02:35] <Vysty> I'm taking a screen shot.
[02:35] <vfw> Vysty: You can just pastebin
[02:35] <krytarik> vfw, Vysty: '-S' excludes the subdirectories.
[02:36] <vfw> krytarik: I don't think so
[02:36] <Vysty> What's a good site to upload a picture to?
[02:36] <Vysty> I want you guys to see the GUI version of what I'm talking about.
[02:36] <cfhowlett> imgur Vysty
[02:36] <Vysty> http://imgur.com/a/WJjlq
[02:37] <Vysty> See on the left that 321 GB Volume thing?
[02:37] <Vysty> The "home" folder in there is different from the Home folder on the left side of the navigator.
[02:37] <Vysty> The "home" folder in the 321 GB is the one with all my data in it.
[02:38] <cfhowlett> Vysty, and what is inside the /home folder?
[02:38] <Vysty> The one in the 321 GB folder or the other one?
[02:38] <vfw> Vysty: du -Sh /home/vyst |& nc termbin
[02:38] <vfw> Vysty: du -Sh /home/vyst |& nc termbin.com 9999
[02:39] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/ak0o
[02:41] <vfw> krytarik: You're right.  Sorry.
[02:42] <vfw> Vysty: du |sort -n |& nc termbin.com 9999
[02:42] <vfw> Vysty: du /home |sort -n |& nc termbin.com 9999
[02:42] <vfw> Vysty: First one was typo
[02:43] <user001> ned some help regarding restoring my root partition
[02:43] <user001> in ext 4
[02:43] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/bwzp
[02:43] <user001> I was able until now to mount it using thunar in xubuntu
[02:44] <user001> but now I cant mount it via thunar any more e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mapper/luks-79a5cf84-516e-4783-b464-09b00d08a724
[02:46] <xxxx> hi
[02:46] <vfw> Vysty: So you have less than 2.5G in /home/vyst
[02:47] <vfw> Vysty: That's pretty normal.  And a very small amount that could be easily placed on a thumb drive.
[02:47] <powerchord84> hi all
[02:47] <user001> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509873/
[02:47] <powerchord84> I'm trying to use a program called youtube-dl.  however, I when I go to the dir and attempt to use it i get the following output:
[02:47] <user001> I am via a live thumb usb
[02:47] <powerchord84> root@brian-MacBookPro:/usr/local/bin# ls
[02:47] <powerchord84> youtube-dl
[02:47] <powerchord84> root@brian-MacBookPro:/usr/local/bin# youtube-dl ?
[02:47] <powerchord84> bash: /usr/bin/youtube-dl: No such file or directory
[02:47] <powerchord84> root@brian-MacBookPro:/usr/local/bin# youtube-dl
[02:48] <Vysty> What? I have 100+ GB worth of stuff.
[02:48] <tgm4883> vfw: he's been saying for about the last half hour that his stuff is on a different drive
[02:48] <vfw> Vysty: I don't know about that...
[02:49] <Vysty> I do know. I'm looking at it.
[02:49] <powerchord84> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509875/
[02:49] <vfw> tgm4883: So what is on this different drive?
[02:49] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, go to the directory and use it?  what?  go to your DOWNLOAD directory (or Video) and enter the command there, e.g. youtube-dl DownloadUrlHere
[02:49] <Vysty> Movies and books and music and pictures and tons of stuff.
[02:49] <vfw> tgm4883: Is it a USB drive?
[02:49] <xxxx> ubuntu software for photo editing really fast at opening? i just want basic configurations.. contrast/bright/crop/save , for example.. quick edit 100 photos opening one by one and not all at same ??
[02:49] <Vysty> But there appear to be two /home/vyst's
[02:49] <powerchord84> cfthowlett, I'm not sure what you mean.  i am in the dir on the command line.
[02:49] <tgm4883> vfw: he's mentioned multiple times that it's showing up in the file explorer as separate
[02:50] <linokurta> powerchord84: give output of ls -l /usr/bin/youtube-dl
[02:50] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, which youtube-dl        will tell you if it is installed or not
[02:50] <tgm4883> vfw: meaning it's not in /home at all, so asking for a du of that directory is pointless
[02:50] <Vysty> tgm: Thankyou, that's what I was trying to say.
[02:50] <powerchord84> I am trying to update it
[02:50] <tgm4883> !tab | Vysty
[02:50] <vfw> tgm4883: see:  http://termbin.com/52n4
[02:50] <powerchord84> it says no such file or directory...
[02:51] <xxxx> or command-based editing image?
[02:51] <Vysty> tgm4883: Thanks.
[02:51] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, so you do not have it installed then
[02:51] <user001> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509881/
[02:51] <powerchord84> http://www.tecmint.com/install-youtube-dl-command-line-video-download-tool/#
[02:51] <user001> any ideas ?
[02:51] <elGALLO> installed 16.04 server CLI only. installed desktop minimal but my passwd doesnt work on GUI only ssh. any ideas
[02:51] <tgm4883> vfw: great. You've proved that he doesn't have it mounted in fstab. That's not where you would see it anyway
[02:51] <powerchord84> but when I do LS, it shows up green.
[02:51] <vfw> Vysty: mount |& nc termbin.com 9999
[02:51] <powerchord84> isn't that a file name?
[02:51] <user001> I saw this but does not seem to help
[02:51] <user001> https://linuxexpresso.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/repair-a-broken-ext4-superblock-in-ubuntu/
[02:51] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, youtube-dl is a PROGRAM not a filename
[02:52] <powerchord84> i used this command udo wget https://yt-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl -O /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl
[02:52] <powerchord84> sudo*
[02:52] <powerchord84> and it did a bunch of stuff and appeared to have installed
[02:52] <vfw> tgm4883: Then unravel this mystery.  What files does he need to backup?  (That is his question.)
[02:52] <Vysty> vwf: http://termbin.com/ifoa
[02:52] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, wait, what?  that is NOT how you install.  at best, it might download files to that location.
[02:52] <powerchord84> ok, so when i type 'ls' and youtube-dl is listed in green, what does that mean
[02:52] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, sudo apt install youtube-dl
[02:52] <powerchord84> oh...im still new to this.
[02:53] <Vysty> tgm4883: This is the directory that has all my stuff: http://imgur.com/a/WJjlq
[02:53] <Vysty> tgm4883: This is the "fake" home directory: http://imgur.com/a/6QeBG
[02:53] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, we  install through the software center or via sudo apt commands
[02:53] <tgm4883> Vysty: it's not a fake home directory. It's just not mounted in the right place
[02:53] <powerchord84> ok i did that command, cfhowlett, i think it installed...
[02:53] <Vysty> tgm4883: Didn't know what to call it. That's why I put fake in quotes.
[02:54] <tgm4883> vfw: he needs to backup /media/vyst/ece34dc7-c163-4b48-9cee-24e770c43f05/home/<USER>
[02:54] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, then use the command properly.  open a terminal.  put it youtube-dl URLGoesHere
[02:54] <powerchord84> "It looks like you installed youtube-dl with a package manager, pip, setup.py or a tarball. Please use that to update."
[02:54] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, in other words, improperly installed.  sudo apt install youtube-dl
[02:54] <Vysty> tgm4883:  There we go! NOW, once I have it backed up, can I re-load it into the /home directory after reinstall?
[02:55] <vfw> tgm4883: So is it a USB drive?
[02:55] <powerchord84> i did that.  then i ran the update command
[02:55] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, what exact command?
[02:55] <tgm4883> vfw: no, well it could be, but it doesn't necessarily mean it is one.
[02:55] <powerchord84> and the above message is what I got.
[02:55] <vfw> Vysty: tgm4883 Why is it not already in the /home directory?
[02:55] <powerchord84>  youtube-dl -U
[02:55] <cash> Hi Everyone
[02:55] <Vysty> vfw: I wish I knew.
[02:55] <cash> How is the Ubuntu Team?
[02:55] <Vysty> vfw: When I upgraded to 16.04, that happened.
[02:56] <tgm4883> Vysty: what's the output of "du /media/vyst/ece34dc7-c163-4b48-9cee-24e770c43f05/home/ |sort -n |& nc termbin.com 9999"
[02:56] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, no no and no.  that is NOT update command.  sudo apt update youtube-dl
[02:56] <tgm4883> vfw: why WOULD it be in the home directory?
[02:56] <powerchord84> oh
[02:56] <youssoupha> hi
[02:56] <powerchord84> "the update command takes no arguments"
[02:56] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[02:56] <powerchord84> this is quite frustrating...i did not know there were so many ways to install/update.
[02:57] <vfw> Vysty: tgm4883 sda2 is one of the old MS Windows partitions. Right?
[02:57] <powerchord84> ok, running that now
[02:57] <powerchord84> what did that do exactly
[02:57] <tgm4883> vfw: could be
[02:57] <Vysty> tgm4883:  Doing it... it's taking  asecond.
[02:57] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, sudo apt update refreshes your library and checks it against available updates.  sudo apt dist-upgrade updates all available installed packages
[02:58] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/owwu
[02:58] <powerchord84> do you know what this means?
[02:58] <powerchord84> [youtube] ZChXK2rdr9M: Downloading webpage
[02:58] <powerchord84> [youtube] ZChXK2rdr9M: Downloading video info webpage
[02:58] <powerchord84> [youtube] ZChXK2rdr9M: Extracting video information
[02:58] <powerchord84> [youtube] ZChXK2rdr9M: Downloading js player en_US-vflSldmkq
[02:58] <powerchord84> ERROR: Signature extraction failed: Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:59] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, try a different video
[02:59] <tgm4883> Vysty: my bad, I had altered one of the previous commands you were told to run, in any case, does that look like all your stuff?
[03:00] <Vysty> tgm4883:  Yup, all the porn is here. :D
[03:00] <powerchord84> ok
[03:00] <vfw> tgm4883: Where do you see /media/vyst/ece34dc7-c163-4b48-9cee-24e770c43f05/home/ >
[03:00] <vfw> ?
[03:00] <tgm4883> Vysty: what's the output of "du -h /media/vyst/ece34dc7-c163-4b48-9cee-24e770c43f05/home/ | tail -n 1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[03:00] <tgm4883> vfw: logic
[03:01] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/j9w9
[03:01] <tgm4883> vfw: Vysty said he had a 321GB drive with a /home/ on it, /media/vyst/ece34dc7-c163-4b48-9cee-24e770c43f05 is ext4, so call it an educated guess
[03:01] <tgm4883> Vysty: ok, so there is 185GB of stuff there
[03:02] <Vysty> That sounds about right.
[03:03] <tgm4883> Vysty: ok, so then that is the one you need to backup. Personally, I'd just backup the files inside that directory that I wanted to save rather than everything, but you can do either
[03:04] <tgm4883> Vysty: you've got a place to back that up to?
[03:04] <vfw> tgm4883: Vysty  So what is really there?  Is it just a lot of backups?
[03:05] <vfw> tgm4883: I'm seeing /dev/sdb1 on /media/vyst/My Passport   (Looks like a USB backup drive.)
[03:05] <vfw> tgm4883: But only Vysty knows what is on it.
[03:05] <Vysty> You mean just copy and paste the files I want instead of trying to use a backup program?
[03:05] <tgm4883> vfw: yea I saw that too.
[03:06] <tgm4883> Vysty: well I'd use rsync, but yea. You could do it either way
[03:06] <vfw> Vysty: We are just trying to figure out what you have now, and what is important to you to save or backup.  (It appears that you have a backup HD plugged in to a USB port.  Right?)
[03:06] <tgm4883> Vysty: in any case, you need to backup the home directory on that partition (the long one) and then when you restore you can restore it to your actual home directory provided you have enough space
[03:07] <Vysty> Right.
[03:07] <Vysty> And I have made backups already, I just don't trust them as of yet.
[03:07] <Vysty> tgm4883: Awesome, that's the answer I wanted to hear.
[03:07] <tgm4883> Vysty: I need to go make dinner soon, so I don't really have time to walk you through all of this. But it's my understanding from your output that you have 3 drives. 1 External USB passport drive and 2 internal hard drives. Is that correct?
[03:08] <tgm4883> wait nm, just 2 drives
[03:08] <tgm4883> 1 internal, 1 external USB
[03:08] <vfw> tgm4883: Did you look at http://termbin.com/7lqo  ?
[03:08] <tgm4883> a bunch of partitions on the internal drive
[03:08] <tgm4883> vfw: no I didn't see that, looking now
[03:09] <Vysty> tgm4883:  Correct.
[03:09] <elGALLO> installed 16.04 server CLI only. installed desktop minimal but my passwd doesnt work on GUI only ssh. any ideas?
[03:09] <vfw> tgm4883: It is the output of   sudo fdisk -l
[03:09] <tgm4883> Vysty: are you planning on completely wiping the internal drive?
[03:10] <overhop> ntfs is the best option if you plan on using windows as well
[03:10] <vfw> tgm4883: That is what he said earlier.  He said that he has those MS Windows partitions but does not use them.
[03:10] <Vysty> Yes. Wiping everything.
[03:11] <vfw> tgm4883: But why did fdisk not see sdb?
[03:11] <tgm4883> vfw: IDK, was it not plugged in at that point?
[03:11] <Vysty> It wasn't plugged in at that point, yes.
[03:11] <vfw> /dev/sdb1 on /media/vyst/My Passport type fuseblk   ????
[03:11] <vfw> Oh ok.
[03:11] <tgm4883> :)
[03:11] <vfw> Vysty: SO, what size is it?
[03:11] <Vysty> 1 TB
[03:12] <vfw> Vysty: What is on it?
[03:12] <Vysty> Backups
[03:12] <Vysty> I bought it for the purpose of doing backups.
[03:12] <vfw> Vysty: ok, that's what I thought.
[03:13] <vfw> Vysty: Then you are good to go. If you have what you need on the USB HD, go on with the install.
[03:13] <Vysty> Good, then I should be able to restore this weird directory I have into the home folder after the reinstall, right?
[03:13] <vfw> Vysty: Just use your latest backup of /home/vyst  Or make a new one.
[03:13] <tgm4883> Vysty: vfw ok, i'm off to cook dinner. I would suggest either A) Backing up /media/vyst/ece34dc7-c163-4b48-9cee-24e770c43f05/home/<USER> using some sort of backup utility that keeps the permissions on the files (since you're backing up to a non ext formatted drive) or B) backing up just the files you want to keep (media/docs/etc) and losing the config files
[03:13] <tgm4883> and such which would give you more of a clean slate
[03:14] <Vysty> tgm4883:  The former or the latter would give me the clean slate?
[03:14] <tgm4883> Vysty: vfw I would definitely verify that the backups exist on that drive before wiping
[03:14] <overhop> use checksums
[03:14] <tgm4883> Vysty: if you just backup your media/docs, that would give you a clean slate
[03:15] <vfw> tgm4883: But if he puts them in /home/vyst the ownership and permissions should be ok.
[03:15] <tgm4883> Vysty: because when you reinstall and restore your backup, you wouldn't be restoring old config files
[03:15] <user001> anyone can help me out recover an ext4 partition ?
[03:15] <Vysty> Ungh, I wish I had one of you guys over my shoulder to help with this.
[03:15] <tgm4883> vfw: he's going to lose the permissions on the files
[03:15] <cfhowlett> !ask | user001
[03:15] <vfw> tgm4883: Not really.
[03:16] <Vysty> tgm4883: You wouldn't be coming back here after dinner, would you?
[03:16] <vfw> tgm4883: Because when he writes them to /home/vyst, they will be set to 755
[03:16] <tgm4883> vfw: um, do you know about some deep secret of fat32/ntfs filesystems that keeps non-ACL permissions?
[03:16] <tgm4883> vfw: 755 isn't always the right permission
[03:16] <vfw> tgm4883: no
[03:16] <user001> cfhowlett fdisk -l output http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509957/
[03:16] <tgm4883> vfw: for instance, SSH keys would be pretty unhappy with 755
[03:17] <user001> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509881/
[03:17] <user001> inside the luks there is supposed to be an ext4 filesystem
[03:17] <vfw> Vysty: Do you use secure shell auto login?
[03:18] <tgm4883> Vysty: I was hoping I wouldn't have to, I know this seems like a daunting task, but it's actually pretty vanilla
[03:18] <Vysty> vfw: whazzat?
[03:18] <cfhowlett> user001, sorry, luks is outside of my experience.  keep these two links and ask the channel at 15 minute intervals.  someone will know.
[03:18] <Vysty> tgm4883: You don't have to at all. I super appreciate what you've done so far.
[03:18] <vfw> tgm4883: He used simplebackup
[03:18]  * tgm4883 goes to lookup simplebackup
[03:18] <vfw> !info simplebackup | tgm4883
[03:18] <Vysty> tgm4883: I just want to make sure that my backups are really protected, and that I really start with a clean slate.
[03:18] <user001> cfhowlett I dont need your luks experience
[03:18] <user001> I have mounted an image
[03:18] <user001> fo all intents and purposes is unreadable
[03:19] <vfw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/SimpleBackupSuite
[03:19] <user001> can you help out ?
[03:19] <tgm4883> hmm, help.ubuntu.com throwing a 500 error
[03:19] <tgm4883> vfw: is this it http://www.simpledatabackup.net/
[03:19] <cfhowlett> sorry, user001, but luks does factor in here.  again, ask the channel.  someone else will know more.
[03:20] <tgm4883> Vysty: do you have a second computer?
[03:20] <Vysty> tgm4883: Yes, I can use my wife's computer.
[03:20] <vfw> user001: I looked before and it appears that you have file system errors that you need to fix.  Make sure it is un-mounted first.
[03:20] <user001> are sure about the luks playing a factor here ? cause I can decrypt it
[03:21] <cfhowlett> user001, let's not go there just yet  :)
[03:21] <tgm4883> Vysty: ok, so do this. Backup your data to your external drive, unplug it and take it to your wife computer, verify you have everything you need on there. Once you've verified it's on that drive, do the reinstall on your computer (don't plug the backup drive back in yet)
[03:21] <tgm4883> Vysty: once you've reinstalled, then do the restore
[03:21] <user001> vfw http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509995/
[03:21] <Vysty> tgm4883: Great, do you recommend using simplebackup?
[03:21] <tgm4883> Vysty: I've never used that
[03:21] <Vysty> tgm4883: What do you recommend?
[03:22] <tgm4883> Vysty: but from the looks of it (if that link is correct) it looks fine
[03:22] <user001> sorry
[03:22] <user001> cfhowlett
[03:22] <tgm4883> Vysty: you just did a "direct file copy"?
[03:22] <user001> I am soliciting the irc help for an other reason
[03:22] <Vysty> No, I used Simple Backup and Backups.
[03:22] <user001> because I get signals that it is a zfs partition
[03:22] <user001> which is not
[03:23] <user001> it's ext4 partition
[03:23] <user001> I saw this https://linuxexpresso.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/repair-a-broken-ext4-superblock-in-ubuntu/
[03:23] <promet> does anyone have an opinion on which of the vnc servers you think is best for 16.04?
[03:24] <cfhowlett> promet, please restrict polls of this kind to #ubuntu-offtopic.  Thank you.
[03:24] <neldogz> if i have the proprietary nvidia drivers installed, can i upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10?
[03:24] <promet> cfhowlett, roger that
[03:24] <user001> also this http://paste.ubuntu.com/23510014/
[03:25] <linocisco> hi all, I want to get direct download link for ubuntu Live CD iso
[03:26] <kostkon> http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[03:26] <tgm4883> Vysty: I can't pull up information on that program, but if you do a backup with it and you can see all your files in your backup location that's generally a good thing
[03:27] <Vysty> tgm4883: And if all else fails, just a direct drag'n'drop works, yea?
[03:28] <tgm4883> Vysty: yea that would work too
[03:28] <Vysty> tgm4883:  Great.  The battery in my laptop is bugging. Its always at 0%. How do i turn off the Ubuntu Critical battery notification that keeps coming up at the top right of my screen?
[03:33] <kostkon> linocisco: Ubuntu stopped having separate isos for install and live CDs like 9 years ago
[03:33] <overhop> net install
[03:33] <cfhowlett> !details | overhop,
[03:34] <tod_shis> PeterX easy way is pull the battery out
[03:35] <tod_shis> its not good to have a duff batt on charge anyway
[03:36] <PeterX> tod_shis: hmm. Yea but is there really no easy way inside Ubuntu to turn that off?
[03:37] <tod_shis> its on the panel?
[03:37] <tod_shis> rt click and remove it
[03:38] <PeterX> tod_shis: no its not the battery symbol. its an notification that keeps poping up in the right of the screen and it makes a "beep" sound
[03:39] <vfw> linocisco: Vysty The backups are more than likely gzipped
[03:41] <tod_shis> PeterX depending on desktop/wm thes options in  menu somewhere
[03:41] <tod_shis> power management eg..
[03:42] <vfw> PeterX: Is it plugged in?
[03:42] <PeterX> vfw: yea
[03:42] <linocisco> vfw, are you talking to me?
[03:43] <vfw> linocisco: What?
[03:43] <linocisco> vfw, "backups are more than likely gzipped. ", u said
[03:43] <vfw> PeterX: You may have a hardware problem.  Either bad battery or weak power supply.
[03:44] <PeterX> vfw: yes. but cant i turn the notification off?
[03:44] <vfw> linocisco: Wrong nick.  But my comment was that most backups are done with gzip compression and ownership and permissions are saved.
[03:45] <tod_shis> tring to charge a bad battery puts a strain on the psu
[03:45] <vfw> I left for a while ....
[03:45] <vfw> tod_shis: You are correct.
[03:46] <vfw> PeterX: So after a while, you end up with both battery and power supply bad and in need of replacement.
[03:46]  * tod_shis has batteryless lappy-much lighter
[03:47] <cash> Hi Experts - broadcom-sta-dkms OR bcmwl-kernel-source... what is the difference?
[03:47] <cfhowlett> !broadcom | cash
[03:48] <lehonti> Anybody there?
[03:48] <chris__> Hi there!
[03:48] <lehonti> Hi!
[03:48] <PeterX> vfw: nah its just a weird bug. battery works fine. power supply works fine. Somehow the value an OS reads as the batterylevel seems to be bugged on my hardware.
[03:48] <vfw> PeterX: Well, I don't know about that.  What versionb of Ubuntu are you running?
[03:49] <tod_shis> oh...
[03:49] <PeterX> vfw erm how to check?
[03:49] <PeterX> 16 something
[03:49] <chris__> I have a simple question which makes me headaches actually... i just want to use php7.0-cli with php7.0-sqlite3 ... PHP says the extension is loaded and enabled but it knows no sqlite3 functions?
[03:49] <lehonti> I am just testing the IRC client bundled with ubuntu...Anyway, does anyone have software project ideas?
[03:49] <tod_shis> sounds like a acpi prob
[03:49] <cfhowlett> !contribute | lehonti
[03:50] <lehonti> I mean, just some free program they wish they could have
[03:50] <lehonti> Not just ubuntu
[03:50] <lehonti> I want my program to be very portable
[03:50] <lehonti> I just want ideas. I just want to donate my work
[03:50] <lehonti> my coding work
[03:50] <lehonti> to the community
[03:50] <cfhowlett> lehonti, read the link and please stop hitting <enter>
[03:50] <lehonti> in my free time
[03:52] <chris__> ... is this a bug, can't imagine that php7.0-sqlite support is broken...??
[03:53] <cash> !broadcom
[03:54] <cash> cfhouwlett broadcom-sta-dkms isnt listed on that page. Iirc it also installs the wl driver
[03:54] <cash> but i wanted to see if anyone here could help me know the difference
[03:56] <ChineseHoax> ubuntu is a Chinese hoax
[03:56] <cfhowlett> ChineseHoax, stop it
[03:56] <cfhowlett> play somewhere else
[03:57] <chris__> sqlite3  SQLite3 support => enabled SQLite3 module version => 0.7-dev SQLite Library => 3.11.0
[03:57] <chris__> this is what php outputs....
[03:57] <chris__> i think this should work... but it doesn't know any functionnames...
[03:58] <PeterX> is this command line legit: "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:leolik/leolik"?
[03:59] <lehonti> @cfhowlett, thanks. I read the link. I don't think that's what I'm looking for. The link talks about (superfluous IMO) media apps, but I want to develop software that will be widely useful, like SDL, SQLite, openCV, etc, or maybe a free alternative to a very useful proprietary software package. I have a lot of technical knowledge and programming experience to make it happen, but I have zero imagination
[03:59] <ChineseHoax> fresh off the minting press  start tor browser on boot only after wifi connected https://thepasteb.in/p/lOhOWJ7Dmk8iB
[03:59] <Vysty> I recently reinstalled 16.04 from 14.04 and one of my directories is broken. I had an encrypted folder titled "Private" that now is a broken link. How do I find my directory?
[03:59] <cfhowlett> lehonti, as this is the ubuntu support channel, I move this discussion to #ubuntu-offotpic
[04:00] <cfhowlett> #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:02] <Vysty> Anyone able to answer my question?
[04:02] <vfw> Vysty: I don't use enbcrypted dirctories, but I'm pretty sure that they need to bu un-encrypted before doing something like this.  Not sure what to do about that.
[04:03] <Vysty> vfw: Theoretically I have it backed up, but that was my main folder of stuff.
[04:04] <Jen909> Hi folks.
[04:04] <vfw> Vysty: Maybe someone else will have some advise for you, I just don't know. Pretty sure you'll have to look for a backup.
[04:04] <Jen909> If I get a QHD monitor is my CPU going to be under more stress (no gaming)?
[04:04] <Bashing-om> PeterX: While the command is legit . What do you hope to obtain from the PPA  " leolik/leolik " ? see: https://launchpad.net/~leolik/+archive/ubuntu/leolik for starters .
[04:04] <vfw> Vysty: Having separate /home/ partition is a very good idea.
[04:05] <Vysty> It will be a good idea once I find all my stuff.
[04:05] <PeterX_> what does sudo mv /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service{,.disabled} do?
[04:06] <vfw> Vysty:  And encrypting your data is probably a good thing until you find yourself locked out of it.  I don't do it because I'm afraid it would happen to me.
[04:08] <Vysty> Is anyone able to help me locate a missing encrypted folder?
[04:08] <Vysty> One of my directories turned into a broken link.
[04:09] <vfw> Vysty: Tell us more about the broken link.  Go to the command line and try it.
[04:09] <vfw> Vysty: ls /path/to/broken-link
[04:09] <vfw> Vysty: ls -l /path/to/broken-link
[04:10] <vfw> Vysty: ls -l /path/to/broken-link |& nc termbin.com 9999
[04:11] <vfw> Vysty: Is the broken link an encrypted directory?
[04:14] <elGALLO> installed 16.04 server CLI only. later installed desktop minimal but my passwd doesnt work on GUI only ssh. any ideas on how to log in?
[04:15] <vfw> elGALLO: Not sure what you mean by "GUI only ssh"
[04:16] <elGALLO> i can tunnel into ubuntu from my macbook via ssh as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with my password
[04:16] <elGALLO> i installed desktop GUI
[04:16] <elGALLO> when i try to logon from login screen i kep getting incorrect password
[04:17] <vfw> elGALLO: Oh, so the login manager will not let you login?
[04:17] <elGALLO> correct only via command line via ssh
[04:17] <vfw> elGALLO: Can you log in to a console?  Like tty6?
[04:18] <vfw> elGALLO: Ctrl-Alt-F6
[04:18] <elGALLO> do that while the login screen is showing?
[04:18] <vfw> yes
[04:18] <elGALLO> standby
[04:19] <elGALLO> yes it lets me in
[04:21] <vfw> elGALLO: So I guess there is something wrong with the login manager.  Not sure what youg et with "desktop minimal"
[04:21] <vfw> elGALLO: I suppose it is gdm?
[04:21] <vfw> elGALLO: Or maybe sddm?
[04:22] <Vysty> vfw: Sorry my computer froze up.
[04:22] <Vysty> vfw: It's looking like I may have royally fucked up.
[04:22] <vfw> elGALLO: ps aux gdm    or    ps aux sddm
[04:22] <vfw> Vysty: So what exactly did you do?
[04:22] <elGALLO> standby
[04:22] <Vysty> vfw: The entire time I have been backing up, that encrypted folder was not included in the backup.
[04:23] <Vysty> Or it's hidden somehow.
[04:23] <Bashing-om> elGALLO: ^^ Yes, perhaps " desktop minimal " does not include a login manager ?? what Desktop did you install ?
[04:23] <Vysty> I'm freaking out a bit.
[04:23] <Vysty> The last 5 years of my life are in that folder.
[04:23] <vfw> Vysty: ls -l /path/to/broken-link |& nc termbin.com 9999
[04:23] <elGALLO> sudo apt-get install lightdm unity
[04:23] <Kres> ello
[04:24] <reisio> 'lo
[04:24] <vfw> elGALLO: So that is what you installed?
[04:24] <Vysty> vfw: http://termbin.com/urv4
[04:25] <Vysty> sorry, ignore that
[04:25] <elGALLO> yes
[04:25] <Vysty> that's not it
[04:25] <Kres> hello pratyush
[04:25] <vfw> Vysty: What is that /boot  ?
[04:25] <Vysty> Hold on a sec...
[04:25] <vfw> Vysty: Oh ok.
[04:26] <unperturbed> Hey Kres
[04:26] <Kres> Hello unperturbed
[04:27] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/wuje
[04:27] <Vysty> I think that may have found it.
[04:27] <Vysty> I'm trying to open it. It looks like it may be hidden.
[04:28] <FireStriker> Hello
[04:28] <reisio> 'lo
[04:28] <Kres> Hello
[04:28] <Vysty> Or not. It's still broken.
[04:28] <Kres> I'm so bored
[04:28] <Bashing-om> elGALLO: What release are we working with .. maybe try and see what results starting the GUI from terminal ?
[04:29] <elGALLO> 16.04.1 server
[04:29] <Vysty> Bashing-om: Do you have any experience with encrypted folders?
[04:29] <Vysty> Bashing-om: I appear to have one that has vanished.
[04:29] <Bashing-om> Vysty: Nope, sorry .. None on the desktops . I do not know how encryption works .
[04:29] <Vysty> I FOUND IT!!!
[04:30] <Vysty> Oh my god.
[04:30] <vfw> elGALLO: You might just try again.  Maybe uninstall lightdm and unity and install sddm and xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop
[04:30] <elGALLO> how do i starrt gui from terminal?
[04:30] <vfw> elGALLO: systemctl start lightdm
[04:30] <vfw> elGALLO: (from where you are now...)
[04:31] <Romin1> Hi. I installed Ubuntu on a separate ext4 partition using a USB drive with Ubuntu installer on it. But when I load up bios to select something to boot, only windows appears. I have windows 8 installed. How can I make Ubuntu boot?
[04:31] <FireStriker> I have a 2013 HP Pavilion laptop (Model no: 15-e010ax) which im having problimes with drivers
[04:31] <elGALLO> ok but how do I install without all the bloatware?
[04:31] <vfw> elGALLO: I don't know really.  I just would not install the GUI in the first place.
[04:32] <elGALLO> well the only reason im installing GUI is to run ...
[04:32] <elGALLO> http://askubuntu.com/questions/463486/can-no-longer-use-screen-share-to-connect-mac-to-ubuntu-since-upgrading-to-14-04
[04:33] <elGALLO> can't get mac findr to see ubuntu files
[04:33] <FireStriker> !pastebin
[04:33] <vfw> elGALLO: sudo apt-get install sddm xfce4
[04:34] <vfw> elGALLO: Or:  sudo apt-get install sddm lxde
[04:34] <tod_shis> or openbox
[04:34] <tod_shis> jwm
[04:35] <qingshuqiutian> hi...
[04:39] <Kres> Wow, lots of yellow and orange text
[04:48] <FireStriker> I have a 2013 hp laptop wich im having some problems with. Network drivers are messed up and it will not boot into ubuntu with the quite thing on
[04:49] <FireStriker> It keeps flashing ubuntu
[04:50] <FireStriker> The specs are  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23510185/
[04:52] <haps_> hello. what is the difference between ubuntu and debian?
[04:53] <krytarik> !debian | haps_
[04:54] <coogle> Hello all, I am banging my head against the wall with this and
[04:54] <coogle>                 I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I'm
[04:54] <coogle>                 working on an RPi project and I need to restart lightDM from
[04:54] <coogle>                 Apache. I've tried creating a shell script to execute 'service
[04:54] <coogle>                 lightdm restart' and adding that to sudoers as www-data, but
[04:54] <coogle>                 I'm still getting Access Denied
[04:54] <haps_> that link is broken, krytarik
[04:54] <haps_> thank you though
[04:55] <krytarik> haps_: Ugh yeah, apparently.
[04:55] <FireStriker> Evey things braking now days
[04:56] <SatoshiRole> Hi, I've done a minimal ubuntu 14.04 install for a kiosk. I installed pulseaudio, and added my user to the audio group. I'm not getting any sound however. I'm not sure how to troubleshoot.
[04:56] <haps_> SatoshiRole: perhaps you need audio drivers
[04:57] <SatoshiRole> haps_, could be, how would I check that?
[04:57] <Flannel> coogle: If you run the script as www-data in a terminal, does it behave the same?  (also, you'll want to not paste so many lines in your question in the future.  Fewer, longer lines is the way to go)
[04:57] <coogle> Yeah sorry my terminal messed that up lol
[04:57] <haps_> SatoshiRole: step one - confirm the existence of speakers in said kiost
[04:58] <coogle> Flannel: Yeah, I have... www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/restart-lightdm.sh in my sudoers
[04:58] <SatoshiRole> haps_, check. In fact they worked when I tested it with the Ubuntu live CD.
[04:58] <Flannel> coogle: And running said script works fine when you run it as www-data in a terminal?
[04:58] <haps_> SatoshiRole: oh hey, is pulse audio something you downloaded?
[04:58] <coogle> Flannel: nope it dies too
[04:58] <coogle> sudo -u www-data /usr/local/bin/restart-lightdm.sh
[04:58] <coogle> Failed to restart lightdm.service: Access denied
[04:59] <haps_> SatoshiRole: as in its not part and parcel with the os
[04:59] <SatoshiRole> haps_, I was following instructions here:
[04:59] <SatoshiRole> https://thepcspy.com/read/building-a-kiosk-computer-ubuntu-1404-chrome/
[04:59] <haps_> SatoshiRole: you may be missing dependencies. i dont know what im doing but try sudo apt-get install -f and then restart
[05:00] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: Remind me again, what release is this, and is this system on a wired network connection ?
[05:00] <Flannel> coogle: You need another sudo in there.  Adding it to sudoers lets you run it with sudo without a password, but you still need to invoke sudo for that command
[05:00] <haps_> SatoshiRole: if that doesnt work try launching the app from the terminal and see what error message it gives you
[05:01] <coogle> Flannel: you mean in the bash?
[05:01] <coogle> +script
[05:01] <FireStriker> Who mentioned me? Irc app crashed
[05:01] <Flannel> coogle: No, you need to ivoke sudo when you run the script
[05:01] <SatoshiRole> haps_, no broken packages. What sux even more, is not error messages.
[05:01] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: < Bashing-om> FireStriker: Remind me again, what release is this, and is this system on a wired network connection ?
[05:01] <Flannel> coogle: If you put yourself for that command as NOPASSWD, you still would have to type "sudo restart-lightdm.sh", you just won't need to type a password
[05:02] <SatoshiRole> haps_, I need to get a better understanding of how the audio stack links together.
[05:02] <haps_> SatoshiRole: there are no error messages at all?
[05:02] <FireStriker> Its 16.04 lts wireless connection
[05:02] <SatoshiRole> haps_, nope everything seems to be working perfectly, just no sound comes out of the speakers.
[05:02] <haps_> SatoshiRole: i guess look at the man page, their site for any dependencies. then if that doesnt work try another app
[05:03] <FireStriker> The wiresless driveres desnt work till i logout and back In
[05:03] <coogle> Flannel: ah right so the first sudo executes as www-data, second executes as root?
[05:03] <coogle> sudo -u www-data sudo /usr/local/bin/restart-lightdm.sh
[05:03] <Flannel> coogle: Correct
[05:03] <haps_> does anyone know when ubuntu started shipping with mir?
[05:03] <coogle> Flannel: oddly enough that second one asks me for a password which it shouldn't be doing..
[05:04] <coogle> I'll go dig in my sudoers
[05:04] <coogle> I'm sure that's gotta be my bad somewhere.
[05:04] <Flannel> coogle: Give access to your own user, and verify it works (that way you don't need to do the sudo -u wrapper)
[05:04] <Flannel> coogle: Then work your way "out"
[05:04] <SatoshiRole> haps_, I'm looking at the Ubuntu machine I'm on right now. pulseaudio is installed, and running on this machine. Do you know anything about how it connects to the speakers? I know pulsaudio is middleware. Pehaps, I'm missing a link in the chain.
[05:04] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: Cannnot advise about the WIFI issue . as to graphics what returns ' dpkg -l | grep fglrx ' ?
[05:05] <FireStriker> I will have a look
[05:05] <coogle> Flannel: Will do. Thanks I missed the once-removed permission issue and was banging my head for about an hour lol
[05:05] <FireStriker> Rebooting now
[05:05] <coogle> Thank you
[05:05] <Flannel> coogle: No worries, good luck.
[05:05] <haps_> SatoshiRole: i know very little about the way ubuntu or nix systems in general work
[05:05] <coogle> thx
[05:06] <FireStriker> Booting into grub
[05:07] <FireStriker> Ok im now loading into ubuntu, any idear why i cant boot with quite splash Bashing-om ?
[05:07] <SatoshiRole> haps_, thanks. I'll keep asking here. I've worn out Google. ;)
[05:08] <haps_> good luck my friend
[05:08] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: We be investigating if any of the old drivers remain on the system and then see about getting the radeon driver installed .
[05:08] <FireStriker> -i or -l ?
[05:09] <FireStriker> Its l right
[05:09] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: Be a lower case L (ell) .
[05:09] <SatoshiRole> I'm trying to diagnose a no sound issue. Does anyone have a good understanding of how pulseaudio links up with the output device? I need to pick your brain.
[05:10] <haps_> so is mir going to happen or has it stalled
[05:11] <krytarik> !debian | haps_: Updated the link, thanks!
[05:11] <FireStriker> It returns nothing
[05:11] <FireStriker> Sudo than command?
[05:12] <reisio> haps_: I reckon even if it does happen it won't last
[05:12] <SatoshiRole> haps_, I heard mir was going to be a non default option in 17.04
[05:12] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: That is a good thing here . ok how about ' lsmod | grep radeon ; lsmod | grep amdgpu ' ?
[05:13] <haps_> krytarik: so does ubuntu constantly use the latest version of debian? what if debian stopped being maintained? what if debian evolved into something that was not compatible with ubuntu?
[05:14] <SatoshiRole> haps_, you can do it now if you want to, but expect it to break some things:
[05:14] <SatoshiRole> https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-test-mir-and-unity-8-on-ubuntu-16-04/
[05:15] <haps_> SatoshiRole reisio thats so sad -- i wish mir had been developed and adopted swiftly
[05:15] <haps_> a system built from the ground up would be much better
[05:16] <reisio> haps_: what makes you think that
[05:17] <FireStriker> Got some thing  http://i.imgur.com/eG2NsL4.jpg
[05:17] <SatoshiRole> haps_, it's no small task. They are already making their own desktop environment, Unity. Leveraging other people's work rather than building from the ground up is what Open Source is all about.
[05:18] <haps_> reisio: because of intuitive reasons
[05:19] <SatoshiRole> not even to mention the backward compatability nightmare they have to maintain with X11
[05:19] <haps_> so anyway, its still X then. what api should one use to create windows and write to video buffers for X?
[05:19] <haps_> specifically for ubuntu and elementary
[05:20] <Bashing-om> !tab | FireStriker
[05:21] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: ^ and no return for the grep amdgpu ?
[05:21] <FireStriker> Nope
[05:22] <helloworld> hello everybody
[05:22] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: K .. so we are dealing with the radeon driver . did it load ? show ' sudo lshw -C display ' .
[05:22] <Guest67990> I have a question when you are ready
[05:23] <Flannel> Guest67990: best to just ask it
[05:23] <Guest67990> I have a couple of old computers I'd like to turn into TOR relays. When you have a second I'd like someone to help me decide which version of ubuntu would be best.
[05:24] <FireStriker> Bashing-om: its only useing the apu
[05:25] <FireStriker> Bashing-om:  http://i.imgur.com/59UcKUk.jpg
[05:26] <Guest67990> Should I just go with the latest version?
[05:27] <SatoshiRole> I have a no sound issue. I just about worn out Google today. Can anyone help me troubleshoot it?
[05:27] <FireStriker> But i think the apu graphics is in charge of bultin desply the video out hamdled by the gpu and when the winds blowing the right way it uses the gpu in games
[05:30] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: Well, the radeon driver is correct for the kabini series cards . and it is loaded . With removing "quiet splash" you boot up with no problems other than that the plymouth-splash is not displayed ?
[05:31] <FireStriker>  Yep and with "quite splash" it flashes like nuts Bashing-om
[05:34] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: Well then to me we have a systemd not handling plymouth startup . And presently I am so confused by how systemd does this . I not much further help .
[05:35] <FireStriker> Lol thats alright
[05:36] <FireStriker> Hi cfhowlett
[05:37] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, greetings
[05:37] <koroso> hey all
[05:38] <haps_> hello
[05:39] <FireStriker> Do you think you could help me, i have a 2013 HP Laptop which has 16.04 amd win 8 dual boot. When booting with "quite splash" it flahses like nuts and doenst boot.
[05:39] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, sorry, I have no experience at all with win8.  I suspect you have some efi issues which I have been fortunate enough to avoid.
[05:40] <FireStriker> I have fixed the efi issues
[05:40] <FireStriker> i think
[05:41] <FireStriker> It wouldnt boot to grub at first
[05:41] <cfhowlett> post the issues.  someone will know.
[05:41] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker, so you got it installed? So I assume 16.04 forked from the live CD?
[05:41] <FireStriker> Yep
[05:41] <FireStriker> The iso on the website from the torent
[05:41] <FireStriker> On a usb
[05:42] <FireStriker> I think the install is a little messed
[05:42] <FireStriker> It took longer than usealy to install
[05:44] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: But it boots when you do not enable quiet boot?
[05:45] <glitchd> can anyone make heads or tails from this error while trying to compile a program?
[05:45] <FireStriker> Yep if i do it goes nuts
[05:45] <glitchd> make[2]: *** No rule to make target 'ext/CMakeFiles/cryptopp.dir/build'.  Stop.
[05:45] <glitchd> CMakeFiles/Makefile2:1409: recipe for target 'ext/CMakeFiles/cryptopp.dir/all' failed
[05:45] <glitchd> make[1]: *** [ext/CMakeFiles/cryptopp.dir/all] Error 2
[05:45] <glitchd> Makefile:83: recipe for target 'all' failed
[05:45] <glitchd> make: *** [all] Error 2
[05:45] <FireStriker> !pastebin | glitchd
[05:46] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: did you enable proprietary graphic driver?
[05:46] <FireStriker> No proprietary graphics driver
[05:46] <glitchd> i gotta rememebr not to paste into the channel..
[05:46] <glitchd> sry guy
[05:46] <FireStriker> Thats alright
[05:46] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: Is there one available?
[05:46] <FireStriker> I do it some times Too
[05:46] <FireStriker> Idk
[05:47] <FireStriker> Theres one for the amd cpu (apu)
[05:47] <FireStriker> But nothing for the gpu or the apu
[05:47] <glitchd> can anyone make heads or tails as to why im getting this error while compiling a program? http://pastebin.com/YFr2n4Fp
[05:48] <FireStriker> I am temted to nuke my ubuntu install and start aign something broke while i was instaling it
[05:48] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: what you are describing sounds like a graphics driver issue. You could try playing with the grub resolution settings, like make it 1024x768. Something you know just about every graphic card can handle.
[05:49] <FireStriker> I tryed out the xubuntu live cd before hand which wifi worked
[05:49] <Bashing-om> glitchd: FireStriker : There are no proprietary drivers for ATI in 16.04, kabini card here and the correct radeon driver is loaded .
[05:49] <FireStriker> The moment i told ubuntu to install no wifi
[05:50] <FireStriker> I had to load into the live cd and log out and back in ( did that my acdent tryingto figer out what was going on)
[05:50] <SatoshiRole> I'm trying to troubleshoot a no sound issue on 14.04.
[05:51] <FireStriker> And wifi, but then it took the longest time to install.
[05:51] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: standard 16.04 has well known wifi issues, but mostly related to suspend, and hibernate.
[05:51] <FireStriker> Might install lubuntu and install a de ontop this laptop is dieing
[05:52] <glitchd> FireStriker, are you saying that ati is related to network card?
[05:52] <FireStriker> Was that fixed in 16.04.1 SatoshiRole?
[05:52] <glitchd> FireStriker, because my question was about network card drivers
[05:52] <FireStriker> Nope ati has nothing to do with the network card
[05:53] <glitchd> FireStriker, then your statement to me makes no sense as i was not asking about graphics drivers
[05:53] <FireStriker> Ok
[05:53] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, did you install xubuntu?
[05:53] <FireStriker> Nope ubuntu
[05:53] <FireStriker> Xubuntu is on the older stable toshiba
[05:54] <ohlolz> why do i have trouble installing through UEFI and not Legacy? using Rufus as USB creator. my pc is faairly new
[05:54] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: I don't know, not the wifi issues. It's only the standard Unity version that seems to have the issues.
[05:54] <cfhowlett> ?  so not relevant to this discussion or did I miss something?
[05:54] <Vysty> I'm reinstalling Ubuntu and formatting my hard drive, and I'm looking at re-partitioning my hard drive. Can anyone help walk me through partitioning my hard drive properly?
[05:54] <ohlolz> what coud it be=
[05:54] <FireStriker> glitchd: i was just saying what was happing durning the install
[05:55] <ohlolz> is it just me or 16.10 have too many graphic problems? even on new computers?
[05:55] <cfhowlett> ohlolz, no idea what "too many" means. more useful to focus on fixing YOUR issue, yes?
[05:56] <ohlolz> just me or too much drama with 16.a0?
[05:56] <ohlolz> 16.10 i mean
[05:56] <cfhowlett> useless query.
[05:56] <cfhowlett> !details | ohlolz
[05:56] <glitchd> can any other drive take the place of ath5k?
[05:56] <ohlolz> i had to revert to 16.04 coz 16.10 doesnt show up. i assume graphic problems
[05:57] <ohlolz> and i bought my Dell pc this year
[05:57] <cfhowlett> "16.10 doesn't show up" ... what?
[05:57] <Vysty> Anyone able to help me with partitioning and formatting my disk for a new install?
[05:57] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: black screen is very likely graphic problems
[05:57] <tod_shis> yes
[05:57] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset | ohlolz
[05:57] <FireStriker> Yep lol how do i change grub to let uefi do its thing and boot into windows, nukeing the partion and installing 16.04 LUbuntu with a DE ontop, smaller, and i hope thers less problems
[05:58] <glitchd> if my lan card provides wifi for my desktop, is it safe to assume it uses the same driver as the wifi interface?
[05:58] <tod_shis> you got gparted Vysty?
[05:58] <ohlolz> also my direct upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 failed in the middle
[05:58] <Vysty> tod_shis: Not sure. I'm reinstalling 16.04
[05:58] <glitchd> Vysty, how do you want to partition?
[05:58] <ohlolz> going back to 16.04 now
[05:59] <Vysty> glitchd: Good question. I was recommended to do 4G for swap, 80G for /home, and the rest for everything else.
[05:59] <glitchd> Vysty, how much ram do you have installed on the system?
[05:59] <Vysty> I think it's 2G
[05:59] <glitchd> then yea 4g swap is what you want
[06:00] <Vysty> What's the difference between primary and logical?
[06:00] <reisio> Vysty: as far as GNU/Linux is concerned, nothing
[06:00] <glitchd> not positive on that one..
[06:00] <cfhowlett> Vysty, technically, Ubuntu will run on a 2gb ram system - but very slowly.  Lubuntu/Xubuntu perform better on low spec systems like that.
[06:00] <Vysty> And do I want it at the Beginning or End of this space?
[06:00] <reisio> Vysty: are you dual booting?
[06:00] <tod_shis> swap as part 1
[06:00] <Vysty> reisio: No. I had WIndows on it before but I never used it. I'm wiping it out.
[06:01] <reisio> Vysty: then let Ubuntu's installer do its own automated partitioning & formatting
[06:01] <Vysty> Got it. Will it properly do the swap?
[06:01] <glitchd> you can always redo swap aferward
[06:01] <reisio> I haven't heard otherwise in a decade or so
[06:01] <Vysty> Great.
[06:01] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: it will match the RAM.
[06:01] <glitchd> if my lan card provides wifi for my desktop, is it safe to assume it uses the same driver as the wifi interface?
[06:02] <Vysty> General consensus is to let Ubuntu do the paritioning by itself?
[06:02] <cfhowlett> yes
[06:02] <glitchd> for he uninitiated, yes
[06:02] <Vysty> Going for it.
[06:03] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: I prefer 1.5 times the RAM, so I do it manually.
[06:03]  * cfhowlett thinks /Bane voice on/ "But we are initiated, aren't we Mr. Wayne?"
 Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 :)
[06:05] <glitchd> sputnikCCCP, SatoshiRole =)
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> sputnikCCCP, SatoshiRole =) :)
[06:05] <SatoshiRole> tod_shis: swap is where the hibernate file is stored.
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> tod_shis: swap is where the hibernate file is stored. :)
[06:05] <FireStriker> Lol
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> Lol :)
[06:05] <FireStriker> Um
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> Um :)
[06:05] <tod_shis> i dont hiber
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> i dont hiber :)
[06:05] <glitchd> lol
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> lol :)
[06:05] <FireStriker> ...
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> ... :)
[06:05] <cfhowlett> ehco bot?  turn that stuff off.
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> ehco bot? turn that stuff off. :)
[06:06] <tod_shis> bot attack
[06:06] <sputnikCCCP> bot attack :)
[06:06] <FireStriker> What is going on
[06:06] <sputnikCCCP> What is going on :)
[06:06] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: i can't use modset coz i can't reach to a higher lever where i'm able to use it
[06:06] <sputnikCCCP> cfhowlett: i can't use modset coz i can't reach to a higher lever where i'm able to use it :)
[06:06] <tgm4883> !ops
[06:06] <sputnikCCCP> !ops :)
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[06:06] <glitchd> someone getting banned..
[06:06] <FireStriker> Oh its a bot
[06:06] <SatoshiRole> lol
[06:06] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: i can't use modset coz i can't reach to a higher lever where i'm able to use it
[06:06] <tod_shis> Drone'
[06:06] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: nomodeset
[06:07] <cfhowlett> ohlolz, eh?  when you boot, hit the esc key to get the grub menu, edit the command line and launch
[06:07] <glitchd> if my lan card provides wifi for my desktop is it safe to assume it uses the same driver as the wifi interface uses?
[06:08] <FireStriker> That was wird
[06:08] <reisio> glitchd: wha?
[06:08] <SatoshiRole> I'm trying to troubleshoot a no sound issue. I've exhausted my Google searches.
[06:08] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: it's not booting coz there's nothing on my pc installed, just attempting to install from USB
[06:08] <Enthralled> guys, does anyone know how to fix this scaling issue? the contents inside windows are tiny. https://a.uguu.se/s3PZFjaT0uVH.png
[06:08] <FireStriker> So how do i remove grub from boot so i can uninstall lubuntu (uefi)
[06:09] <glitchd> reisio, huh?
[06:09] <reisio> glitchd: a'wha?
[06:09] <cfhowlett> ohlolz, read the wiki link.  you need to trigger grub at boot so you can get to the graphics settings
[06:09] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: grub is not eliminated by uefi.
[06:09] <glitchd> FireStriker, from the windows recovery console you have to do something like "fixboot mbr" just google it
[06:10] <glitchd> i mean to remove grub
[06:10] <glitchd> reisio, when?
[06:10] <cfhowlett> remove grub?  how do you plan to boot with no bootloader, glitchd
[06:10] <FireStriker> I should be able to do it with the live cd anyway
[06:11] <glitchd> cfhowlett, lol sounded ijke he was removing linux and trying to get rid of grub
[06:11] <cfhowlett> right?
[06:11] <Enthralled> nevermind, i sloved it with gnome-tweak-tool
[06:11] <Enthralled> solved*
[06:12] <FireStriker> Im doing a  reinstall im almost cernet the installs botched
[06:12] <rkrohan> Heyo
[06:12] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: i feel so dizzy trying to install 16.10 today. i'm happy i was able to get back to 16.04. will try ubuntu out first before installing a newer version
[06:12] <Sumoniac> hi all, which program did you use for partitioning? (w.o/sfdisk,gparted)
[06:12] <Pope__> hello
[06:12] <FireStriker> Good idear
[06:12] <glitchd> yi
[06:12] <rkrohan> Does anyone have any idea how to install Ubuntu 14.04 desktop on raspberry pi 2?
[06:12] <glitchd> yo
[06:12] <rkrohan> I don't want the Ubuntu core
[06:13] <reisio> rkrohan: use a newer version of Debian/Ubuntu
[06:13] <FireStriker> I use the windows one Sumoniac to do all mine but i am starting to use gparted
[06:13] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: I think you're on the wrong track. You'll still need grub, but it will be installed when you reinstall Ubuntu with uefi on a gpt partitioned drive.
[06:14] <rkrohan> reisio: I can't find a new version of Ubuntu desktop for raspberry pi
[06:14] <FireStriker> Ik and than i can fix it aing
[06:14] <Sumoniac> rktohan u can create your ubuntu with buildroot/busybox
[06:14] <reisio> rkrohan: older versions will be even less likely to support that arch
[06:15] <SatoshiRole> rkrohan: Ubuntu Mate has a version for Raspberry Pi. Unity is to heavy.
[06:15] <cfhowlett> ohlolz, general advice: LTS is great for most users.  If you REALLY and TRULY need the latest, shiniest stuff, go for it.  But LTS only saves tons of headaches.
[06:16] <NoSunWithoutU> im curious: what shortcut keys do you have for your windows switcher?
[06:16] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: lesson learned
[06:16] <SatoshiRole> rkrohan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi
[06:16] <NoSunWithoutU> SatoshiRole, dont be Nakamoto
[06:17] <SatoshiRole> NoSunWithoutU: My name is Craig... LOL
[06:17] <NoSunWithoutU> as long as its not Nakamoto, ok
[06:18] <SatoshiRole> Wright... i mean right!
[06:18] <NoSunWithoutU> or write?
[06:19] <NoSunWithoutU> or maybe wrhayte?
[06:21] <SatoshiRole> I have a laptop that I installed ubuntu as a web kiosk. I can't figure out how to get the sound working. A full install of Ubuntu gets the sound working fine. Anyone know the correct packages to be installed?
[06:24] <Vysty> Alright, I just finished the reinstall of 16.04 and my computer is freezing when I click on the "Search your computer" icon. Is this a common problem?
[06:25] <Vysty> glitchd: Got a new one for ya. I just reinstalled 16.04 again and my computer is freezing up when I click on the "Search your Computer" icon in Unity.
[06:26] <ohlolz> Vysty: did you have problems with 16.10 too?
[06:26] <Vysty> I haven't tried 16.10, yet.
[06:26] <RatchetTheGamer> What's the advantages of 16.10?
[06:26] <ohlolz> Vysty: k
[06:27] <cfhowlett> RatchetTheGamer, read the release notes.
[06:27] <ohlolz> i couldn't even install 16.10 to tell you RatchetTheGamer
[06:27] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: I've seen that before. Never was able to get Unity to work. Could be a RAM, or HD issue, but in my cases it was likely a graphics driver issue. I dad to go with another distro like Ubuntu Mate.
[06:27] <Vysty> SatoshiRole: Tell me more. What's that?
[06:28] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: It's Ubuntu with the Mate desktop rather than Unity.
[06:28] <ohlolz> get a better computer for unity to to werk
[06:28] <Vysty> Do I need to reinstall or is that just a different shell?
[06:28] <SatoshiRole> Mate is a Gnome 2 fork. Much lighter weight.
[06:28] <ohlolz> dont be so greedy. Unity's new motto
[06:28] <cfhowlett> ohlolz, or, as always, choose a different Desktop Environment.  Easy and cheaper than buying hardware
[06:28]  * tod_shis uses xfce
[06:29] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: you may be able to just install the Mate desktop on top of what you already did, but it would be much cleaner to reinstall.
[06:29] <Vysty> SatoshiRole: No problem to reinstall. It was quick. How do I do it to use Mate?
[06:29] <tod_shis> yes
[06:29] <tod_shis> Vysty
[06:30] <tod_shis> what cpu is it?
[06:30] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: https://ubuntu-mate.org/
[06:30] <tod_shis> and gpu?
[06:30] <Vysty> tod_shis: How do I find out?
[06:30] <tod_shis> lscpu
[06:32] <Vysty> tod_shis: Should I pastebin it or is there specific info you want?
[06:32] <tod_shis> intel or amd?
[06:32] <Vysty> AMD
[06:33] <Vysty> AMD Turion II P540 Dual-Core Processor
[06:33] <tod_shis> dual core?
[06:33] <tod_shis> oh.... ok
[06:33] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: yea, Unity is too heavy for that.
[06:33] <tod_shis> older turion
[06:33] <Vysty> I was using Gnome before.
[06:33] <Vysty> With 14.04
[06:33] <SatoshiRole> you'll get much better performance from Mate, or XFCE.
[06:34] <Vysty> I'll try out Mate.
[06:34] <tod_shis> or a 32 bit linux
[06:34] <hateball> 32-bit is going away, not really a prime choice for a fresh install
[06:34] <Vysty> How do I figure out how much RAM I have? I think it's 2 GB.
[06:35] <hateball> Vysty: free -m
[06:35] <Vysty> I chose the 32 bit Ubuntu Mate iso.
[06:35] <SatoshiRole> That processor will do 64bit. I would do 32bit if you never plan to have more than 2GB of RAM, otherwise go 64bit.
[06:35] <Vysty> Oh, maybe I have 4GB RAM.
[06:35] <SatoshiRole> yea, go 64bit then.
[06:36] <Vysty> Just to be sure, when I use free -m, which part shows me the RAM?
[06:36] <Vysty> The Mem total?
[06:36] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: the mem total is whatever's left after the bios and kernel reserve chunks
[06:36] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: use something like lshw if you want to ask the ram chips directly
[06:37] <Vysty> Yea  looks like 3695 MB
[06:37] <glitchd__> Vysty, go with xfce
[06:37] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: ps: it's normal for "used/free" to be maxed out, ignore that, look at buff/cache and available instead
[06:38] <ohlolz> gotta go nite nite
[06:38] <Vysty> buff is 1029 and available isd 2765
[06:38] <Vysty> glitchd: Why do you say XFCE?
[06:38] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: the number under total is it.
[06:38] <Vysty> I'm basically trying to figure out the best Ubuntu distro to go with.
[06:39] <SatoshiRole> you can see it under top also
[06:39] <Vysty> SatoshiRole: You still recommend Mate?
[06:39] <SatoshiRole> XFCE is a little lighter weight, but not nearly as nice. I think it's worth the slight performance hit to go Mate.
[06:39] <Vysty> Got it.
[06:39] <Vysty> Is Mate lighter than Gnome?
[06:40] <SatoshiRole> yes
[06:40] <SatoshiRole> a lot
[06:40] <Vysty> Sweet, because I was using Gnome before.
[06:41] <Vysty> SatoshiRole: I don't remember if you were here when I asked; when I reinstall using Ubuntu Mate, should I just let Ubuntu decide on the partitions?
[06:41] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: you do realise you can install any WM/DE on any distro, it's just that various install media choose different ones by default?
[06:41] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: if you have no special needs, and you are find with the SWAP being equal to the RAM, yes.
[06:41] <Vysty> Triffid_Hunter: Nope. What's a WM/DE?
[06:42] <spm_draget> For a 16.04LTS, is there also a non-PAE kernel in the image or somewhere an install-image available that does not need PAE?
[06:42] <Vysty> SatoshiRole: I've read in some other places that the swap should be double the RAM.
[06:42] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: window manager / desktop environment, the chunk of software that handles drawing a bunch of your graphical stuff
[06:42] <spm_draget> I got an old Via C3 1,2Ghz - it should run ubuntu, but lacks PAE
[06:42] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: swap must be more than ram if you intend to use hibernate-to-disk, otherwise swap should be (how much ram you need) - (how much ram you have)
[06:43] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: equal is what Ubuntu does by default. There are a lot of opinions about that. I prefer 1.5.
[06:43] <Vysty> Triffid_Hunter: Yes I realize that, but I'm novice enough and frustrated enough to want to wipe the thing clean and just start over.
[06:43] <Vysty> SatoshiRole: My understanding is very limited, so if this question doesn't make sense, that's why: if I'm planning on recording audio and video, will I need a bigger swap?
[06:45] <hateball> In case those applications saturate your RAM. But you're better off buying more RAM instead.
[06:45] <Vysty> hateball: Got it.
[06:45] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: if you're planning on video editing, you're gonna want way more than 4GB of ram and an SSD.. if you start using your swap, buy more ram. also, swap on SSD is really fast but shreds the SSD's lifetime, and swap on regular disks gives mega-slowdown for everything when you max your ram
[06:45] <Vysty> What's an SSD?
[06:46] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: solid state disk
[06:46] <Vysty> Aha.
[06:46] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: My opinion is that with a mechanical drive, much more than equal to the RAM hits the point of diminishing returns pretty fast. If you are actually using Gigabytes of SWAP, your system will be pretty useless anyway.
[06:46] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: basically swap should only ever be a safety net, not something you use and rely on every day
[06:46] <journeymangeek> Triffid_Hunter: modern, quality SSDs are unlikely to wear out under normal use
[06:46] <Vysty> Consensus seems to be leave Swap at RAM. Got it. :)
[06:47] <Vysty> Regarding upgrading hardware, when it comes time for that I'm buying a new computer.
[06:47] <Vysty> This thing is almost 6 years old.
[06:47] <journeymangeek> lol
[06:47] <journeymangeek> I have decade old systems in use
[06:47] <Triffid_Hunter> journeymangeek: unless you have spotify :P
[06:47] <journeymangeek> (with upgrades)
[06:47] <Vysty> And has been able to serve me faithfully due to Ubuntu.
[06:47] <journeymangeek> Triffid_Hunter: got me there
[06:47] <Vysty> It was dying within 6 months with Windows.
[06:48] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: my current laptop was made in 2008 ;)
[06:48] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: the reason for that is in order for your system to hibernate, you need at least equal to the RAM. I like a little more, but it's not going to make much difference.
[06:48] <Vysty> What's the difference between hibernation and suspension?
[06:49] <journeymangeek> hibernation - dump contents of ram to disk, and shut down, retriving the contents of ram next 'boot'
[06:49] <SatoshiRole> suspend, or sleep freezes your session in RAM. Hibernate saves it to the SWAP partition. Hybrid sleep freezes it in RAM, and saves it to the SWAP partition.
[06:49] <journeymangeek> suspension - keep ram in a low power state, for faster boot
[06:49] <Vysty> Why would I want to hibernate instead of just shutting down?
[06:50] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: suspend = ram is still powered. hibernate = ram contents copied to long-term storage (ie swap on disk) and system enters complete powerdown
[06:50] <journeymangeek> Vysty: so you can pick up where you last stopped
[06:50] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: It boots faster, and preserves your session with whatever you were working on.
[06:50] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: because hibernate allows you to keep all your apps open across a complete powerdown event
[06:51] <Vysty> Heh. This is like kicking an Ubuntu pinata.
[06:51] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: so if you need to swap battery, hibernate will essentially keep all your stuff open whereas suspend will lose everything like a sudden power outage
[06:51] <journeymangeek> (also unrelatedly, I am of the opinion that boot drives for *any* os need to be a SSD on a modern system. The performance is... just magically better)
[06:51] <journeymangeek> Vysty: heh, amusingly, I haven't run a ubuntu desktop in ages
[06:51] <Vysty> Linux pinata. Whatever.
[06:51] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: It's always to get different perspectives.
[06:51] <journeymangeek> (My personal server runs it)
[06:51] <journeymangeek> I'm mainly a HW guy
[06:52] <SatoshiRole> Now, if someone can just help me with this sound issue! lol
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> !sound | SatoshiRole
[06:52] <Vysty> Alright, so you guys saw what sort of hardware I'm working with. I'm about to do a fresh install again and format everything---knowing that I want to record audio and video and do some mild video and audio editing, what's the best way to go about this?
[06:52] <hateball> SatoshiRole: What's the issue?
[06:53] <journeymangeek> Vysty: my music making friend swears by https://ardour.org/
[06:53] <SatoshiRole> hateball: I have a laptop that I'm setting up for a friend, as an Internet KIOSK. Sound works with a full install of Ubuntu, but....
[06:53] <journeymangeek> for basic audio recording and editing, audacity is 'good enough'
[06:54] <glitchd__> Vysty, sry got caught up in something, i suggested xfce because thats what i use and thats what works best for me.
[06:54] <Vysty> journeymangeek: Not recording any music, just voice stuff.
[06:54] <SatoshiRole> I'm doing a minimal install using server 14.04, with a light stack of xorg, openbox, and Chromium.
[06:54] <Vysty> Audacity does the job for me for now.
[06:54] <SatoshiRole> I have to manually install the audio packages, but I can't seem to find the combination that works.
[06:55] <journeymangeek> Vysty: oh and a good mic ;p
[06:55] <SatoshiRole> I've installed pulseaudio, and put the user in the audio group, but I get no sound.
[06:56] <hateball> SatoshiRole: Does the server kernel even have modules for audio?
[06:56] <journeymangeek> I used to swear by this for pure voice work http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/levelator but its been years since I audio-engineered and it seems that's dead
[06:56] <hateball> SatoshiRole: "lspci -k" should show if any modules are loaded for your audio device
[06:56] <journeymangeek> hateball: I thought they stopped splitting the server and desktop kernel quite a while back?
[06:56] <cfhowlett> Vysty, sudo apt install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-graphics   will get you started.  you can get the full meal deal by install ubuntustudio-desktop
[06:57] <SatoshiRole> hateball: lemme check it out.
[06:57] <Vysty> cfhowlett: I might ask you for that again after I do this reinstall.
[06:57] <cfhowlett> Vysty, :)
[06:57] <Vysty> journeymangeek: Got myself a good mic. :)
[06:58] <Vysty> I'm hoping to get by with Audacity, Kdenlive, RecordmyDesktop, and so far I've used Cheese to record via webcam.
[06:59] <Vysty> Alright, first one to remind me how to mount an ubuntu iso on a usb drive gets a gold star.
[06:59] <SatoshiRole> hateball: looks like no... what am I looking for here?
[06:59] <DeadEnd> SatoshiRole, love, dammit, love
[07:00] <hateball> SatoshiRole: well you are looking for the section with Audio device, Kernel driver in use
[07:00] <hateball> SatoshiRole: if that's not present, well you're not going to get any audio
[07:00] <glitchd__> Vysty, mount or burn?
[07:00] <Vysty> Mount.
[07:00] <SatoshiRole> hateball:
[07:00] <SatoshiRole> http://pastebin.com/WN1YUUHj
[07:00] <Vysty> It's just a USB drive.
[07:00] <DeadEnd> hateball, stop hating
[07:00] <glitchd__> Vysty, are you gonna boot from the usb after?
[07:00] <EriC^^> Vysty: dd
[07:01] <Vysty> Yes.
[07:01] <glitchd__> Vysty, ill give u the command
[07:01] <EriC^^> Vysty: dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync
[07:01] <glitchd__> Vysty, dd bs=4M if=/iso.iso of=/dev/sdb?
[07:01] <glitchd__> yea what he said lol
[07:01] <SatoshiRole> hateball: so what do I need to install? I installed pulseaudio, pulseaudio-utils, and alsa-utils.
[07:01] <Vysty> What's the bs=4M for?
[07:02] <glitchd__> it makes it write faster
[07:02] <EriC^^> blocksize of buffer
[07:02] <Vysty> And is it sdX or sdb?
[07:02] <glitchd> sdb
[07:02] <EriC^^> sdb if that's your usb
[07:02] <glitchd> do lsblk to see what your usb is called
[07:03] <Vysty> Ah balls I froze it again.
[07:03] <hateball> SatoshiRole: Do you have any audio files to test with? If you launch the player/file from a terminal, do you get any output?
[07:03] <Vysty> Oh wait, there we go.
[07:04] <Vysty> It's sdb.
[07:04] <hateball> Vysty: If your machine keeps freezing you may want to check the HDD health with smartctl
[07:04] <glitchd> then there you go
[07:04] <SatoshiRole> hateball: I have a browser installed. I've just been testing it on Youtube, and other sites.
[07:04] <Vysty> I've just been informed that my system isn't hefty enough to handle Unity.
[07:05] <Vysty> And how to do figure out my full path extension?
[07:05] <cfhowlett> Vysty, well then: lubuntu or xubuntu are your friends
[07:05] <hateball> SatoshiRole: wget some wav sample, try playing it with aplay
[07:06] <SatoshiRole> hateball: I'm wondering of my script is not loading it right.
[07:06] <SatoshiRole> http://pastebin.com/6GPHgpBh
[07:07] <SatoshiRole> start-pulseaudio-x11 should do it right. I see pulseaudio is running in top.
[07:07] <SatoshiRole> hateball: hmm... you got a source?
[07:08] <hateball> SatoshiRole: No, but googling "wav test" should net you something I bet
[07:08] <SatoshiRole> okay
[07:08] <hateball> Might be there are some wavs on your system already
[07:09] <SatoshiRole> hateball: not likely. I did a very minimal install.
[07:10] <hateball> SatoshiRole: Any reason you're giving yourself pain instead of just installing something like Lubuntu?
[07:11] <SatoshiRole> If I have to resort to converting a working desktop into a KIOSK, I will, but two reasons. Learning experiance, and performance.
[07:12] <SatoshiRole> tell me more about this kernel modules. what loads it?
[07:14] <DeadEnd> i love i3
[07:14] <hateball> SatoshiRole: modprobe
[07:14] <DeadEnd> i3 is lighter than lxde
[07:16] <SatoshiRole> hateball: got one. any flags on aplay?
[07:17] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, modprobe to load, rmmod to remove
[07:17] <SatoshiRole> hateball: It thinks it's playing, but no sound
[07:18] <hateball> SatoshiRole: made sure you've got the right device selected in pulseaudio ?
[07:18] <hateball> otherwise you need to use flags with aplay to force device
[07:18] <SatoshiRole> hateball: no, how do I check?
[07:19] <SatoshiRole> pacmd?
[07:19] <hateball> SatoshiRole: yea, but I dont recall the syntax offhand
[07:19] <knot> when i update the system using spt-get update , i got the result as W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:1397BC53640DB551. can anyone tell me why i am getting this
[07:19] <hateball> SatoshiRole: pacmd info, will show current status
[07:19] <knot> s/spt/apt
[07:19] <hateball> knot: using a ppa with expired key?
[07:20] <glitchd> knot, there are commands to add the key
[07:20] <glitchd> knot, google it
[07:20] <glitchd> knot, sry i dont remember the exact command for it off hand
[07:20] <knot> glitchd: i have to add this key to get an update
[07:20] <glitchd> knot, right
[07:21] <SatoshiRole> hateball: It's overwhelming. I don't know how to read it.
[07:21] <SatoshiRole> http://pastebin.com/0NJCYjYB
[07:21] <siddig> could i ask for support in an issue here ?
[07:21] <glitchd> knot can you pm me the error msg?
[07:21] <hateball> !ask | siddig
[07:21] <glitchd> siddig, this is the place for it
[07:22] <knot> thanks hateball, glitchd
[07:24] <siddig> after i download any software i can't install it as my correct password didn't work  i am using ubuntu mate 16.04lts
[07:24] <cfhowlett> siddig, what error messages?
[07:24] <SatoshiRole> siddig: fresh install of 16.04?
[07:25] <knot> SatoshiRole: you can also use insmod for inserting your module
[07:26] <siddig> org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.Error.NotAuthorized: ('system-bus-name', {'name': ':1.74'}): org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages
[07:27] <siddig> yes fresh installed yesterday
[07:27] <cfhowlett> siddig, using sudo or pkexec
[07:27] <SatoshiRole> knot: would that go in the same script that I'm using to start pulseaudio?
[07:27] <siddig> sudo
[07:28] <SatoshiRole> siddig: any other users on this system?
[07:28] <siddig> no
[07:28] <SatoshiRole> siddig: dumb question. You check the capslock?
[07:29] <siddig> yep ,unfortunately
[07:29] <SatoshiRole> siddig: is this a fresh install of Ubuntu?
[07:29] <RatchetTheGamer> What's the best way to make a boot usb for uefi?
[07:29] <cfhowlett> !usb | RatchetTheGamer
[07:30] <siddig> yes
[07:30] <knot> SatoshiRole:i have no idea of pulseaudio,but for loading your device driver module that command is used
[07:30] <SatoshiRole> hateball: Did I loose you in all that? :)
[07:31] <hateball> SatoshiRole: no, I have to try and do some actual work while at work also :p
[07:32] <SatoshiRole> hateball: oh, cool. At least I have a clue what's going on now.
[07:33] <SatoshiRole> knot: I'm lacking on understanding the audio stack. Do you know what usually loads the module in Ubuntu?
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[07:36] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: The sound, driver module... I think.
[07:36] <cfhowlett> !ops | ANTI_psychiatry
[07:37] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, did it not load on its own?
[07:37] <LinuxNovice> hello, I'm new to Linux. I wanted to know whether Linux Mint has security issues attached with its various distros. I read somewhere that it had to deal with some security breach.
[07:37] <cfhowlett> hexchat users: /ignore username will do eaclty that.
[07:37] <ducasse> !mint | LinuxNovice
[07:37] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, best you ask mint about its issues.  it's not ubuntu nor supported here
[07:37] <LinuxNovice> Is it safe to use for personal banking and such other transactions.
[07:37] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: right we found Audio device, Kernel driver is not loaded.
[07:38] <LinuxNovice> Linux Mint will say its distros are safe. Someone there actually recommended Mint over other distros.
[07:38] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, 16.04?
[07:38] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: then try ##linux
[07:39] <LinuxNovice> I wanted to know the general opinion about that.
[07:39] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, again; mint is not discussed or supported here because this is - wait for it - UBUNTU support.
[07:39] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: 14.04 server.
[07:39] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, ok 1 sec
[07:39] <LinuxNovice> Since the community here is large, I thought of raising that query here.
[07:40] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: if you want the general opinion then ##linux is a general place to ask. please stop now.
[07:40] <LinuxNovice> By the way , I like Ubuntu and its variants a lot.
[07:40] <cfhowlett> are you trolling us now, LinuxNovice?  we gave you serveral links.
[07:40] <LinuxNovice> Is LXLE supported by Ubuntu?
[07:40] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: I just wanted to mimic the way a full install of Ubuntu would do it. It's understandable that It's missing, since this is a very minimal install. I have to set these things up.
[07:41] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: no
[07:41] <cfhowlett> !flavors | LinuxNovice these are the flavors.  Not on this list?  not supported here.
[07:41] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, ohh, i didnt know you were doing an install like that
[07:41] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, what sound are you using? pulse or alsa?
[07:41] <fossify> !flavors
[07:42] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, and im not sure off the top of my head so im searching for answers based on the info you give me
[07:42] <LinuxNovice> I have used Lubuntu and Xubunt on my old laptop. Found them to be great distros. Can't use Ubuntu because my laptop is pretty old.
[07:43] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: yea, it's for an Internet Kiosk. I followed these instructions, because he made it look super easy
[07:43] <SatoshiRole> https://thepcspy.com/read/building-a-kiosk-computer-ubuntu-1404-chrome/
[07:43] <SatoshiRole> and it was. It  works great, except no audio.
[07:44] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, it looks like you need to make the user a membre of the audio group for audio services to load
[07:44] <glitchd> SatoshiRole,   sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[07:45] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: Yep, I did. I was wondering about that command though. Why $USER, and not user, the actual username?
[07:46] <LinuxNovice> hey, it says there ##linux Cannot send to channel.
[07:46] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, i think $USER is a variable that pulls the user name automatically
[07:47] <cfhowlett> !register | LinuxNovice
[07:47] <LinuxNovice> ok. But, what
[07:47] <RatchetTheGamer> I'm going to use rufus what setting do I want to use for uefi?
[07:47] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, register a nick.
[07:47] <SatoshiRole> I followed those instructions exactly... twice actually. After many hours of searching, I wiped it, and did it all again with the same result.
[07:48] <LinuxNovice> ok. But, what is your opinion on Linux Mint? Which one do you prefer Mint XFCE or Xubuntu?
[07:48] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: Either I've overlooked something, or he has a subtle mistake in there.
[07:48] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: isn't that obvious?
[07:48] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, seriously?  knock it off.
[07:48] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, he?
[07:49] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: can you pastebin 'lspci -k'?
[07:49] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, careful..
[07:49] <LinuxNovice> you mean, Xubuntu?
[07:49] <SatoshiRole> Oli Warner
[07:49] <SatoshiRole> https://thepcspy.com/read/building-a-kiosk-computer-ubuntu-1404-chrome/
[07:50] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: http://pastebin.com/WN1YUUHj
[07:51] <SatoshiRole> Sorry! ducasse: http://pastebin.com/WN1YUUHj
[07:51] <hateball> SatoshiRole: So... do you have one regular user-account, and then a special kiosk account?
[07:51] <LinuxNovice> careful? with what?
[07:52] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: so you're using the intel audio driver. have you checked alsamiser that nothing is muted, and that pulse is using the right device?
[07:52] <hateball> SatoshiRole: I read the thing about using $USER instead of pointing to the kiosk user (in case it is different)
[07:52] <SatoshiRole> hateball: No, not yet. I didn't want to add any extra complication at this point.
[07:52] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, hi, man!
[07:52] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, because youve been warned already, this is a ubuntu support channel. not an "what your opinion on this" channel.
[07:52] <hateball> SatoshiRole: Alright then
[07:53] <LinuxNovice> ok, dude. cool down.
[07:53] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: hi :)
[07:53] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, i3 rulz!
[07:53] <cfhowlett> !topic | LinuxNovice
[07:53] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, lol im not mad, im just telling you before you get kicked or banned for breaking the rules
[07:54] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, what window switcher do you use?
[07:54] <LinuxNovice> It seems Ubuntu has a larger community. I will try with some Ubuntu distros only.
[07:54] <RatchetTheGamer> What settings do i use in rufus for uefi
[07:54] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: Yes, I did check that. alsamixer had shown it turned all the way down, which I changed, but didn't make a difference. Is there anywhere else it could be muted?
[07:55] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: try installing pavucontrol, then check that the right output device is selected and not muted.
[07:56] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: none, i switch windows with keybindings.
[07:56] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: I will. But if the kernel driver is not loaded, won't none of this make a difference?
[07:57] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: but it is loaded.
[07:57] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, also check to make sure the channel is not muted in alsa mixer
[07:57] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: oh! I didn't see it. what is it that you see?
[07:57] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: the 'lspci -k' output, under audio device - "Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel"
[07:58] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: ah... okay. I'm dyslexic or something.
[07:59] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: easy to miss something when you've stared yourself blind for hours :)
[07:59] <SatoshiRole> Yes, I've been at this since 5 this morning.
[07:59] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, whats the maximum number of open windows youve ever experienced?
[08:00] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: um, can pavucontrol be accessed on the terminal?
[08:00] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: no, it's an x app. no gui?
[08:01] <SatoshiRole> there is a GUI, but no desktop. let me see if I can figure out how to launch it.
[08:02] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: can you get a terminal?
[08:03] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: no terminal emulators installed, just tty, and ssh.
[08:03] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: you're going to need one sonner or later
[08:03] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: I'm going to add it to the same script that loads the browser, unless you know an easier way.
[08:03] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: you should check out rofi, it can also be used as a window switcher
[08:04] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: sounds good for now.
[08:05] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, how do you switch between windows? what keyboard shortcuts?
[08:05] <LinuxNovice> hi, what is best way of using android apps on ubuntu?
[08:05] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: mod+arrow keys or jkl;
[08:06] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, how do you know what apps are currently open?
[08:06] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: you need an emulator
[08:06] <glitchd> ILoveDevRandom, u can use remixOS in a vm to use android apps
[08:07] <LinuxNovice> please explain that. I am new here.
[08:07] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: i guess I don't know the command to launch it.
[08:07] <LinuxNovice> to Linux.
[08:07] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: 'pavucontrol'
[08:07] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: thats what I thought... let me doublecheck
[08:08] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, install virtualbox, then download the iso for remixOS. then install remixOS in virtualbox. then boot the virtual machine. the install android apps on it.
[08:08] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: are you doing this from ~/xinitrc or similar?
[08:08] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, how do you know what apps are currently open?
[08:08] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, you can even use the play store on remixOS
[08:08] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: i can see them, it's a tiling wm.
[08:09] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, sry wrong user
[08:09] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, but if theyre spreaded on various workspaces?
[08:09] <LinuxNovice> what is this remixOS?
[08:09] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, like i said i got names confused and those last few messages were meant for ILoveDevRandom
[08:10] <ILoveDevRandom> glitchd, its ok
[08:10] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: i don't have any problem keeping track of that. i usually start most of what i'll need automatically on startup.
[08:11] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, and you keep them open til shutdown?
[08:11] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: yes
[08:11] <glitchd> anways, ILoveDevRandom you can use remixOS to install android apps
[08:11] <glitchd> ILoveDevRandom, it even has the play store on it
[08:11] <ILoveDevRandom> glitchd, you said it already a few times
[08:11] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: I'm not clear on the linkage but I had a typo.
[08:11] <SatoshiRole> its in /opt/kiosk.sh
[08:12] <SatoshiRole> https://thepcspy.com/read/building-a-kiosk-computer-ubuntu-1404-chrome/
[08:14] <Guest27375> exit
[08:15] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: It's not muted.
[08:15] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: and the right output is selected?
[08:15] <glitchd> ILoveDevRandom, oh, youre counting?
[08:15] <glitchd> ILoveDevRandom, what number am i up to now?
[08:16] <RatchetTheGamer> What settings to I use on rufus for uefi?
[08:16] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: there is only one output, but there is an x on the speaker icon.
[08:16] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: but the button isn't 'pressed in'?
[08:17] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: no I was able to verify that.
[08:17] <SatoshiRole> when you click on it the volume control grays out.
[08:17] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: what are you outputting to? speakers?
[08:17] <ILoveDevRandom> glitchd, im not seeking to offend you
[08:18] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: the internal speakers of the laptop
[08:18] <glitchd> ILoveDevRandom, thats good, i dont like being offended=) btw i wasnt offended, i was trying to joke with you
[08:19] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: are you sure they're ok?
[08:20] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: under configuration, I have analog stereo duplex, analog stereo output, analog stereo input, and off. analog stereo duplex was selected.
[08:21] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: that's ok
[08:21] <ILoveDevRandom> glitchd, ok!
[08:21] <LinuxNovice> hi and one more question I have. Is it necessary to have an anti virus software installed in LInux?
[08:21] <ikevin> SatoshiRole, see in alsamixer if you have anything in mute
[08:21] <cfhowlett> !virus | LinuxNovice
[08:22] <ducasse> ikevin: he checked already
[08:22] <LinuxNovice> thanks a lot.
[08:22] <ikevin> jack output is working?
[08:22] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: yea, not muted there, but that x on the speaker icon concerns me.
[08:22] <LinuxNovice> and how can we check the file system errors in ubuntu?
[08:23] <LinuxNovice> if there is an accidental shutdown or when some files get corrupted.
[08:23] <ikevin> LinuxNovice, go in recovery mode and use fsck
[08:23] <Triffid_Hunter> LinuxNovice: fsck although usually it's run automatically in the case of unclean shutdown
[08:24] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: shouldn't the volume of alsamixer, and pavucontrol match?
[08:24] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: no, not neccessarily
[08:24] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: oh they do I just had to refresh it.
[08:25] <LinuxNovice> ok. if I am in the middle of installing a package an the computer shuts down due to power failure.
[08:25] <LinuxNovice> if the package hasn't been installed completely.
[08:25] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: I actually don't see a way to mute it in alsamixer
[08:25] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: press 'm' when the device is selected
[08:26] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: yep, just saw it, and the result shows in pavucontrol also
[08:26] <SatoshiRole> except that x on the speaker icon, everything else looks good on both of them.
[08:28] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: set at fallback was selected.
[08:33] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: I think I'm whooped. Any other ideas?
[08:34] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: can you see the volume slider move when you play something?
[08:34] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, youre still trying to get sound unmuted?
[08:34] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: It's not muted.
[08:35] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, but its acting like its muted?
[08:35] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: yea, kinda
[08:35] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, what is the problem, clue me in so i dont have to scroll back to the beginning
[08:36] <glitchd> give me the cliff notes version of the problem
[08:37] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: the kernel driver is loaded, both alsamixer, and pavucontrol show it's not muted. correct audio device is selected(there is only one) but still no sound.
[08:37] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: do you see the slider move?
[08:37] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, by chance have you tried rebooting?
[08:38] <_ADN_> HI Guys, I have notice with my 16.04 that if I ran out of RAM the computer power off. Is that an error that has been found elsewhere?
[08:38] <glitchd> since loading the mod
[08:38] <SatoshiRole> in pavucontrol, there is a red x on the speaker icon though, both under the playback tab, and the Output devices tab.
[08:38] <glitchd> maybe 2 different processes are trying to use it and its causing a conflict
[08:39] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: yea, I've rebooted.
[08:39] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: i have that too, and it's playing. now, do you see the slider move?
[08:39] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, are there speakers or headphone plugged into the machine?
[08:40] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: No, no activity on pavucontrol during playback.
[08:40] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: they're internal laptop speakers.
[08:40] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: then something is wrong with pulse.
[08:40] <glitchd> its not configured correctly
[08:40] <glitchd> plug head phones in and see if there is sound
[08:41] <glitchd> just as a test
[08:42] <SatoshiRole> isn't there like a pulseaudio --stop and start command? I thought I saw one.
[08:42] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: just try restarting pulse.
[08:42] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: 'service pulseaudio restart' should work
[08:43] <vyst> Alright, I'm back with Ubuntu Mate up and running. I'm having an issue getting my 2nd monitor to the right resolution. I generally use "cvt 1680 1050 && xrandr --newmode 'x' <output> && xrandr --addmode HDMI-0 x" to adjust the resolution, but now I'm getting an error.
[08:44] <glitchd> vyst, install Arandr
[08:44] <glitchd> its a gui for xrandr
[08:44] <vyst> Installing now...
[08:45] <glitchd> vyst, unless you like working in cmd only..
[08:45] <vyst> Doesn't matter to me. Now how do I use arandr?
[08:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[08:45] <glitchd> open it and youll understand
[08:45] <SatoshiRole> ducasse:
[08:45] <SatoshiRole> http://pastebin.com/4e6Lrxwk
[08:45] <vyst> Already opened and already don't understand.
[08:45] <glitchd> lol
[08:45] <glitchd> 1 sec
[08:46] <vyst> Aha, there we go.
[08:46] <vyst> Nope. Error.
[08:46] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: with sudo
[08:46] <SatoshiRole> oh :(
[08:47] <glitchd> vyst, error?
[08:47] <vyst> Yea, when I click on the 1680x1050, I get an error.
[08:47] <SatoshiRole> stop: Unknown instance
[08:47] <SatoshiRole> But it seems to have restarted
[08:48] <vyst> There we go. Got it.
[08:48] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: no result
[08:48] <glitchd> vyst, does the monitor support that resolution?
[08:48] <glitchd> vyst, booya!
[08:48] <vyst> I had to trick it into working, but it worked.
[08:48] <glitchd> vyst, booya!
[08:49] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: I'm beat. It's almost 2 in the morning. Gotta work tomorrow.
[08:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yay the how much swap space classic styled question again, a type of question I have asked a few times or more since 2005 or so, but seriously if a laptop has 8GB RAM, how much swap space is it meant to have and why? the old double the RAM, and so 16gb seems a waste really
[08:50] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, just use 4gb ram, itll be fine with that
[08:50] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, 4 or 8
[08:50] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, its up to you really
[08:50] <SatoshiRole> hateball: ducasse: glitchd: Thanks for all your help.
[08:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> glitchcd could it still hibernate or whatever?
[08:50] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, =)
[08:51] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: ok, we'll try again another day - sleep well :)
[08:51] <glitchd> yep
[08:51] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, yep
[08:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you sure?
[08:52] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, on my laptop i have 8gb ram with 4gb swap and i suspend it everytime i shutdown, so yes
[08:52] <glitchd> suspend/hibernat/sleep
[08:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> glitchd, you know about uefi to on hp lap tops?
[08:53] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: hibernate needs swap to be at least the size of ram
[08:53] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, mine didnt come with uefi
[08:53] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, listen to ducasse, he knows way more than me
[08:54] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, what do you want to know about uefi?
[08:54] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: suspend works fine without swap, but hibernate stores the memory in the swap space
[08:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, so with 8GB RAM for hibernate and suspend to work it only needs to be 8GB SWAP?
[08:54] <David_Hedlund> How do I search for packages only if they include "linux" in the package title name with apt?:
[08:55] <ducasse> David_Hedlund: apt search --names-omly linux
[08:56] <David_Hedlund> ducasse: Thanks: sudo apt-cache search --names-only linux
[08:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> glitchchd
[08:56] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, yea?
[08:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok
[08:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> was trying to Ubunu a new lap top yesterday
[08:56] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, i meant, whats up?
[08:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> HP lap top UEFI I said new
[08:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I did my own about a year ago
[08:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with UEFI and HP
[08:58] <glitchd> i dont know anything about installing ubuntu/linux on a uefi equipped laptop
[08:58] <glitchd> i know how to do it if u disable uefi, but thats it
[08:58] <glitchd> when i upgraded to windows 10 it didnt install uefi i guess
[08:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I thought the where to install Grub options for Ubuntu 16.10 on a new lap top, would come up before install complete?
[08:59] <glitchd> because i never had to change anything, it just worked like normal
[08:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> didnt seem to
[08:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh well maybe in legacy
[09:00] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: you get that question if you use 'something else' install option
[09:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, I did the something ese option, cutom partitions,
[09:01] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: then it is below the partition list, iirc
[09:01] <David_Hedlund> ducasse: I get "rsyslog" on the list with sudo apt-cache search --names-only linux
[09:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, I was thinking may have missed something, since meant to point to Windows loader
[09:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I didnt see anything last night hmm
[09:03] <ducasse> David_Hedlund: apt-cache also searches the one-line description, apt does not - use that instead
[09:03] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: it is really easy to overlook, imo
[09:04] <David_Hedlund> ducasse: sudo apt search --names-only linux | sort # not valid
[09:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, yeah ihad a issue like that with mine to begin with abut a year
[09:04] <ducasse> David_Hedlund: are you on 14.04?
[09:05] <David_Hedlund> ducasse: Yes.
[09:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, I guess like mine to begin with until doing it right, could be installed and could get into via boot options, but no grub by default so
[09:06] <ducasse> David_Hedlund: apt may not have had that implemented back then, it's a pretty new frontend. it works on later versions.
[09:06] <cfhowlett> David_Hedlund, 14.04 is apt-get         apt rolled out with 16.04
[09:06] <David_Hedlund> ducasse: sudo apt-cache search --names-only linux | grep linux | sort
[09:07] <David_Hedlund> ducasse: That works like a charm.
[09:07] <David_Hedlund> cfhowlett: Thx.
[09:07] <ducasse> cfhowlett: it was present, just not very complete
[09:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducase Grub has to come up by default and ideally Ubuntu as the default boot heh heh, or the user of the lap top is rather unlikly to use it
[09:07] <cfhowlett> happy2help! David_Hedlund
[09:07] <cfhowlett> noted, ducasse
[09:08] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: i'm having a bit of trouble following you, doesn't it start grub now?
[09:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, nope goes straight into windows, i had a issue like that with mine about a year ago. looks like I am indeed going to have to re install, and make sure that the intaller ponts to the windows uefi
[09:11] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: point it to the efi system partition, you can see which it is in the partition list
[09:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, but I cant do big seen shown changes, untill later on, or the person whos lap top it now is, won't be happy with me
[09:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, is 90GB for Ubuntu with a seperate home as well though and swap, a bit much or not I am thinking, left 100GB free space in Windows 10 when I last looked last night, but despite everythng I have said etc, he would probably use Windows 10 only or mostly, at first anyway
[09:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, its only got a 256GB SSD in there
[09:17] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: you can get by with far less, especially if it's not used much
[09:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, apparantly the Windows 10 annivursury editioni is meant to have like 60GB free space to
[09:19] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: no idea about that...
[09:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, well hes not totally stupid or something like that, I saw him updating his Android phone the other day, and he has said to me about ios updates in the pat even, and seemed to understand some of the security stuff I was saying, and said he would install updates if it poped up saying there was
[09:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, but I would expect him to use Windows more for some gaming for example, etc
[09:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, still here?
[09:24] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: yes, just busy. doing many things at once.
[09:25] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: it might be a good idea to install ubuntu in a vm, sp he can get used to it while still having a familiar windows environment to fall back on.
[09:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, and indeed can generally can have much for a linux distro, but i am vaguely thinking maybe 90gb is a bit much still really, and windows generally is the one that needs more space
[09:27] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: he can still store data on the windows partition, like movies and music.
[09:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, maybe a vm as well, but I dont think he would use that really, plus have already said stuff like Firefox is more secure to ue in windows, intead of whats there by deault you know, and that its easy to get virus there etc, and that ubuntu / linux would be more secure as long as installing updates, for any slightly dodgy websites, well at his age, they go on websites that could posibly have malware at ti
[09:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mes
[09:32] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: how much memory does this machine have?
[09:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, 8GB RAM
[09:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 256GB SSD
[09:32] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: should be fine to run a vm, as long as the cpu is decent.
[09:32] <abdel_> hello guys, I am installing LAMP on ubuntu 16.04....I have installed mysql server php7.0 and it was successful, although it did not ask for my password. However, when I do: mysql  -u  root  -p, I get this error: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[09:33] <abdel_>  please help
[09:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a newer intel i5
[09:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, hes not a geek
[09:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a techii
[09:34] <ducasse> abdel_: didn't you read the instructions?
[09:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, 15 and fist lap top of own, will hopefully start experimenting more with programs etc, like i did
[09:34] <ducasse> abdel_: it  tells you to run a script to set up password etc after install
[09:35] <abdel_> sorry, I am new to all this. I don't really kow how to do it cos I was just following the isntructions
[09:36] <abdel_> from the instruction, I never got any message that i will encounter such errror
[09:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, and why not give the option of a better system as well, when he uses it or not , that would be his choice, but in a way hopefully wndows seems like a bad experence, for linux to seem better
[09:38] <ducasse> abdel_: try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server'
[09:39] <abdel_> i have don that, so whats next?
[09:40] <ducasse> abdel_: no clue, try #ubuntu-server
[09:40] <abdel_> ok
[09:40] <abdel_> thanks
[09:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, i was thinking to add GNOME 3 and KDE into 16.10 install as well, and make clear their are different interfaces and what not to, then there are stil plenty of things for him to hopefuly try out himself in linux
[09:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> still as well
[09:43] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: 90gb is still a lot if he's just getting started with linux
[09:44] <motie> Firefox's password db are stored in seahorse right?? Can i export the passwords or copy them to gorillaPW manager?
[09:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, indeed, but could move files from window to the home
[09:45] <ducasse> motie: firefox also has an internal password storage, i've never used it with seahorse
[09:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, he has ueed as a bit as a kid on family computers, but other than that, would just be starting yes
[09:46] <motie> ducasse: But how did my passwords get into seahorse then?
[09:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, how much space do you think it should be?
[09:47] <ducasse> motie: no idea, must be an ubuntu thing i've never seen.
[09:48] <motie> ducasse: I always just assumed that it was the way Firefox did it. -now i'm all confused.
[09:48] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: impossible for me to say, since i'm not the one using it. if you give him 20-30gb he should be fine for a good while as long as he doesn't store big stuff there.
[09:49] <[twistii]> hi, i have a custom service that i can start with 'sudo service start'. how can i make it start automatically after boot (and, thats important, after mysql started) ?
[09:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, well you lose 8 to 16gb on swap
[09:50] <ducasse> motie: seems this is done by an extension
[09:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, well I set up last night as 20gb / and  16gb swap and the rest ./home of that 90gb
[09:51] <motie> ducasse: i figured it was the ubuntu add on?
[09:51] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: i was talking about just the filesystems, swap is a separate partition. and 16gb swap is twice what he'll ever need (if he even uses hibernate)
[09:51] <ducasse> motie: i'd assume so.
[09:52] <ducasse> [twistii]: update-rc.d
[09:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, Yes as I put earlier 16gb seems a  bit to much for swap wih 8gb ram
[09:53] <[twistii]> ducasse: i tried that, and it said there is no startup script for the service
[09:54] <[twistii]> but like i said, 'service wildfly start' works fine and as expected
[09:54] <motie> ducasse: Is it possible to export it
[09:55] <reza> Hi every one
[09:55] <ducasse> motie: found this - http://askubuntu.com/questions/428001/how-to-export-stored-password-from-seahorse#812961
[09:56] <reza> kasi irani hast?
[09:56] <EriC^> !iran | reza
[09:56] <reza> yes
[09:56] <motie> ducasse: I've seen that. Unfortunately i'm no good at the xml scripting
[09:57] <EriC^> if you speak english talk here reza
[09:57] <motie> Ducasse: It was only i you knew.
[09:57] <reza> i cant speek fluently
[09:58] <EriC^> reza: what countries speak a similar language? i couldn't find a ubuntu iran channel
[09:58] <EriC^> reza: no need to speak fluently, you seem to be doing great
[09:59] <reza> I don't know thanks
[09:59] <EriC^> reza: ask the channel about the problem you're having and wait for an answer
[10:00] <ducasse> motie: i can't find any ready-made tools. maybe you can find a script if you search github.
[10:00] <reza> I have Ubuntu on raspberry how can install Telegram
[10:01] <reza> I dont know more about linux
[10:01] <motie> ducasse: thanks. probably been most easy just typing them into gorilla.
[10:01] <ducasse> motie: unless there are many of them.
[10:05] <motie> ducasse a hundred maybe. bet it'll take 15 minuttes max
[10:31] <golfsailor> my ubunto don't boot. I can not find any boot loader. Maybe not installed ? I have Intel chipset so I downloaded the 32 bit 16.04 version. But even if I do a grub-install there is no loader in /EFI/Boot on the Efi partition. Any idea or help ?
[10:33] <ducasse> golfsailor: why not the 64-bit? do you have a 32-bit cpu?
[10:33] <golfsailor> ducasse: is that not only for amd ?
[10:33] <ducasse> golfsailor: no.
[10:34] <golfsailor> ducasse: look like that in the info
[10:35] <ducasse> golfsailor: what info?
[10:36] <ducasse> golfsailor: either way, it's not only for amd. it's named amd64 because amd was the first to release a 64-bit platform.
[10:36] <Rocketbomb> ทดสอบภาษาไทยสั่งสูง
[10:36] <Rocketbomb> sry wrong channel
[10:37] <Fabou> vamps
[10:37] <Guddu> My Ubuntu server isgetting suspended even when I am running a process from commmand line. Please guide how I could disable this behaviour.
[10:39] <golfsailor> ducasse: the name of the link is https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute?version=16.04.1&architecture=amd64
[10:42] <ducasse> golfsailor: i just told you why that is.
[10:43] <golfsailor> ducasse: ok I will will try that version then
[10:53] <glitchd> why the heck can i ssh out of my server but not into it?
[10:53] <Shadowmm> check firewall
[10:53] <glitchd> how so?
[10:54] <Shadowmm> sudo ufw allow 22/udp
[10:54] <glitchd> i have forwarded the port in the router already
[10:54] <glitchd> i set it to both udp and tcp
[10:55] <Shadowmm> if you have ufw enabled on the server you still need to edit the firewall
[10:55] <Shadowmm> by running that command
[10:55] <Shadowmm> sudo ufw allow 22/udp
[10:55] <glitchd> its not the server version of ubuntu
[10:55] <glitchd> it just ubuntu that i call my server lol
[10:55] <glitchd> i can ssh out of it but not into it
[10:56] <Shadowmm> sudo ufw disable
[10:56] <Shadowmm> try that and see if it works
[10:56] <glitchd> i have set a different port in both ssh_config and sshd_config, restarted the services and still nothing
[10:56] <Mathisen> glitchd, listen to the man
[10:56] <Mathisen> glitchd, ufw is still there server or not
[10:57] <glitchd> i am i was just explaining what ive done so far
[10:57] <glitchd> do i need to restart the server after i run that command?
[10:57] <Shadowmm> no
[10:57] <glitchd> well it said firewall stopped and disabled but i still cant ssh into it
[10:58] <Mathisen> you do have installed ssh server right ?
[10:58] <Mathisen> sudo apt install openssh-server
[10:59] <glitchd> yep and its already newest version
[11:00] <Mathisen> does ssh <IP_ADDRESS> work ?
[11:00] <glitchd> i was having a problem the other day and thought it was a problem with ssh, so i removed it then reinstalled it, but it turned out not to be the problem at all, since then it has not worked
[11:00] <glitchd> no it does not
[11:01] <glitchd> but i can ssh into my other computer from it just not into it from the other computer
[11:01] <Mathisen> sudo apt purge openssh-server && sudo apt install openssh-server
[11:02] <glitchd> i also changed the ssh port to 77 in both ssh_config and sshd_config
[11:02] <glitchd> im doing that right now
[11:02] <glitchd> sudo apt- purge openssh-server && sudo apt install openssh-server
[11:02] <glitchd> whoops..lol
[11:03] <glitchd> and just to make sure, i should use both udp and tcp for the firewall port in my router, right?
[11:06] <Mathisen> tcp should be enough
[11:07] <glitchd> sudo maybe thats the problem then..
[11:09] <glitchd> good lord still not working
[11:10] <Mathisen> pastebin output from this pls >>  ps -aux | grep ssh
[11:10] <glitchd> ssh_config and sshd_config should be set to the same port, right?
[11:12] <glitchd> Mathisen, http://pastebin.com/t0SBEzcP
[11:13] <Mathisen> no idea anymore whatever changes you done to the config files may be the problem
[11:13] <Mathisen> i bet someone smarter in here knows
[11:14] <glitchd> but everyone is so shy..lol
[11:19] <glitchd> wait i thought of something else that changed since i was able to ssh in
[11:20] <glitchd> the lan port took a crap so now im using wifi on the server, and my laptop is wired, and always has been
[11:20] <glitchd> Mathisen, does that make a difference?