[01:04] <kamusin> is there is a page for getting help for debugging plymouth or boot process (apart of /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/boot.log)?
[04:49] <kareeser> hi, I want to report a package against the daily image... but I don't know what package to report it against
[04:50] <kareeser> specifically, the live CD won't boot... so.... no desktop screen. doesn't even get to the language selection
[08:04] <alvin> bug 563117 needs a package. Nobody seems to know what package is respobsible for this behaviour. Some say it's intentional, some say it definately shouldn't be so.
[08:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 563117 in ubuntu "Release upgrade converts /dev/mapper entries in /etc/fstab to UUID (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563117
[09:10] <BUGabundo_remote> From the Hills, I shout: Guud Morning
[09:16] <Rune> What packages should be reported against, when there are missing files on mirrors?
[09:17] <jpds> Rune: mirrors --- at --- ubuntu --- dot --- com..
[09:19] <Rune> jpds, that's not really a package....
[09:20] <jpds> Rune: But there is no package for mirrors...
[09:20] <jpds> Rune: Which mirror is it?
[09:21] <Rune> Nonetheless, launchpad requires a package when you file a report. Should it just be against ubuntu then?
[09:21] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[09:21] <BUGabundo_remote> its another project
[09:24] <jpds> Rune: Mirror problems are not tracked on Launchpad.
[09:24] <BUGabundo_remote> they aren't?
[09:24] <BUGabundo_remote> that's news to me :)
[09:26] <jpds> Well, I certainly don't.
[09:27] <Rune> Users must be able to tell someone about problems such as bug 417326
[09:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 417326 in apache (Ubuntu) "package not found (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417326
[09:28] <Rune> it is clearly not a bug in apache, but where should I place it?
[09:29] <BUGabundo_remote> if it is a mirror prob, jpds is your guy
[09:32] <Rune> Well, the bug I just mentioned was old and I simply invalidated it, since it has probably been fixed in the mean time.
[09:33] <jpds> Rune: OK; so I see a: Filename: pool/main/a/apache2/apache2.2-common_2.2.12-1ubuntu2.2_all.deb on the archive.
[09:33] <Rune> jpds, if I had found that bug immediately, what should I have done with it?
[09:33] <jpds> Rune: However he seems to be trying to download: apache2.2-common_2.2.*11*-2ubuntu2.2_i386.deb
[09:34] <jpds> Rune: It looks like he has to update his package listings with apt-get update.
[09:35] <jpds> (That's the latest apache2.2 package version I see for karmic-security).
[09:37] <Rune> jpds, ok, let's says he simply needed to update, then it wouldn't be because of a problem on the servers.
[09:37] <Rune> jpds, I have a current one for you then
[09:38] <Rune> jpds, W: Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/karmic/Release.gpg  Could not connect to packages.medibuntu.org:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out
[09:38] <jibel> Rune, wrong one it's medibuntu :)
[09:38] <mr_pouit> not related to ubuntu, see #565810
[09:39] <Rune> I am aware that it is medibuntu instead of ubuntu
[09:40] <Rune> However, if it where ubuntu, where would I file the bug?
[09:40] <Rune> That's the thing I am trying to figure out.
[09:41] <Rune> jpds, you says that it is not tracked on launchpad, but what should I do about error messages due to mirror errors?
[09:42] <BUGabundo_remote> Rune medibuntu guys know about the problem, some of the mirrors are up. they expect to have it fixed tomorrow night
[09:42] <BUGabundo_remote> Rune the the mirror admin ??
[09:42] <BUGabundo_remote> remember you may caught a server in mid package upgrade
[09:43] <BUGabundo_remote> so the package list can be not consistence with the packages
[09:43] <BUGabundo_remote> usually updating the package list a bit latter or trying another mirror, works around it
[09:45] <jibel> BUGabundo_remote, Rune's example is about a missing package but there are sometimes other errors with mirrors and it's not clear how to report it.
[09:46] <jibel> Why affecting to Ubuntu and subscribe the ubuntu-mirror-admins team to that report ?
[09:46] <jibel> s/Why/Why not/
[09:48] <jpds> Rune: I don't deal with Medibuntu stuff, sorry.
[09:49] <jibel> jpds, let say it's not medibuntu but ubuntu and a reporter is facing a problem with a mirror: missing package, mirror unavailable, whatever.
[09:49] <jibel> jpds, what would be the best process to report it ?
[09:50] <jpds> jibel: Find the mirrors registration at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors and contact the admin.
[09:52] <jibel> jpds, and affect it to Ubuntu and incomplete waiting for their reply ?
[09:53] <jpds> jibel: Well... I really don't use Launchpad to track mirror queries, I keep an eye on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:54] <jibel> jpds, what is the team "Ubuntu Mirror Admins" ? Couldn't we subscribe it to the report ?
[09:55] <jpds> jibel: That's the team that manages the mirror listings and approves mirrors, you could do that but we tend to watch the email more.
[09:56] <Rune> jpds, if you want end users to do find the mirrors registration and stuff when encountering problems then that should really be on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[09:58] <jpds> Rune: That's a good point.
[10:20] <Rune> jpds, I have requested that error reporting be better implemented in update-manager and have pasted some of your replies as the action to take. (bug 567139)
[10:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 567139 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "suggest solution on server errors (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567139
[10:24] <Rune> jpds, however, I really do think it is a much better idea to monitor on launchpad because of the potential flood of reports you can get when people cannot click a "this affects me too" button
[13:34] <brunogirin> Hi, I'm trying to assign the right package to a number of bugs that don't have a package. Am I right in thinking that the package for bug 355165 should be xorg?
[13:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 355165 in ubuntu "My 22" Monitor is not detected upon startup when plugged into my laptop." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355165
[13:35] <BUGabundo_remote> xorg-xserver ?
[13:55] <brunogirin> BUGabundo_remote: thanks
[13:58] <bullgard4> Where are package hooks explained? See the directory /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/ .
[14:00] <yofel> bullgard4: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/DeveloperHowTo#Package%20Hooks
[14:00] <yofel> that's the more technical explenation
[14:11] <bullgard4> yofel: Thank you very much.
[18:52] <crimsun> if there's a native French speaker, I'd much appreciate assistance with the nuances in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-lib/+bug/567089/comments/3
[18:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 567089 in alsa-lib (Ubuntu) "everyman pb de son (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Incomplete]
[18:53] <Damascene> crimsun, did you try #ubuntu-fr
[18:53] <crimsun> Damascene: no, I try not to use support channels first
[18:53] <yofel_> jibel speaks french I think
[19:02] <vish> crimsun: hggdh ?
[19:02] <crimsun> I triaged it based on my shoddy translation
[19:04] <vish> heh , we forgot seb128 ;p
[19:04] <vish> maybe he's german! ;)
[19:04] <crimsun> I think he's offline ATM
[19:07] <hggdh> vish: what can I do for you?
[19:07] <hggdh> ah
[19:07] <vish> hggdh:  <crimsun> if there's a native French speaker, I'd much appreciate assistance with the nuances in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-lib/+bug/567089/comments/3
[19:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 567089 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "everyman pb de son (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Incomplete]
[19:07] <vish> :)
[19:11] <hggdh> crimsun: "yes, it is reproducible. I hit System/Preferences/Sound/Hardware/Choose a device to configure Internal Audio deactivated and I choose FREETALK. Then close..."
[19:12] <hggdh> crimsun: "if I go back, FREETALK is again unselected. I do not understand what is going on"
[19:12] <crimsun> right, I'm confused about the "deactivated" specifically.
[19:12] <crimsun> regardless, I've asked for more info
[19:13] <hggdh> oh, you mean the internal audio deactivated?
[19:13] <crimsun> yes
[19:13] <hggdh> sorry, not explanation there
[19:13] <crimsun> if that's the case, then s/he's explicitly breaking things, and well, I don't think there's much we can do...
[19:27] <hggdh> vish: seb is French
[19:28] <vish> hggdh: yup , i know ..  but folks were teasing him ;)
[19:31] <hggdh> heh
[19:51]  * BUGabundo waves o/
[20:48] <jibel> hggdh, hey, thanks for the translation.
[20:58] <sveinse> I'm not sure if this is a bug: I get two very different renderings of the Monospace font when I select "slight" hinting or "full" hinting on size 8. See http://imagebin.org/93683  vs. http://imagebin.org/93684  (settings: DPI 96 and subpixel smoothing) - Is this something I should submit a bugreport on?
[20:59] <sveinse> Sorry forgot: running lucid on amd64
[22:15] <hggdh> jibel: yw
[22:25] <xteejx> bug 388906, am I right in thinking this is fixed, I asked for a depends on telepathy-idle so that IRC was supported by default, think it is now
[22:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 388906 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "offers to import irc accounts from pidgin even if telepathy-idle is not installed (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 43)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388906
[22:28] <seb128> xteejx, empathy doens't depends on idle and has no reason to
[22:29] <xteejx> have I misinterpreted the rdepends function?
[22:30] <seb128> xteejx, it seems so
[22:30] <seb128> xteejx, it lists recommends and suggests too
[22:31] <xteejx> I thought if rdepends shows ubuntu-desktop then ubuntu-desktop would depend on telepathy-idle?
[22:31] <seb128> xteejx, try apt-cache show and look to what it displays
[22:33] <xteejx> ubuntu-desktop does show a dependency on telepathy-idle...perhaps this was done to work around the IRC import problem, it does appear fixed
[22:33] <xteejx> sorry, it's a recommends
[22:34] <xteejx> but recommends are installed anyway aren't they? I think it's just Suggests that aren't
[22:34] <seb128> right
[22:34] <seb128> but still they can be uninstalled
[22:35] <seb128> so you can't rely on it to declare the issue solved


[02:54] <DeveloperPenguin> hey everyone
[11:05] <developerpenguin> hello is anyone here ?
[11:06] <developerpenguin> i  really need some help hahaah
[13:22] <pmatulis> ?
[16:13] <pmatulis> pleia2: around?
[16:16] <pmatulis> to whoever is around:
[16:16] <pmatulis> i'm trying to learn more about how our stuff gets translated.  so far what i see is that non-english contributors do solely translations.  shouldn't they also be able to contribute new material and have that translated back into the other languages?
[16:44] <GunnarHj> pmatulis: Non-English contributors are more than welcome to contribute new material in English. I do. But I would love to see you organize the translations of original contents written in other languages but English. ;)
[16:47] <pmatulis> GunnarHj: i know that anyone can make english contributions.  what i'm asking is whether anyone has pondered the idea of non-english people making contributions in their native language and then have that translated into all other languages (including english)
[16:49] <GunnarHj> pmatulis: I understood that. And I tried to point out that it's an unrealistic idea.
[16:53] <pmatulis> GunnarHj: right ok.  i also see it as being hugely complicated.  but is seems wronng in an ethical sense
[16:56] <pleia2> pmatulis: am now
[16:56] <pmatulis> pleia2: you can read the above but i think GunnarHj confirmed my understanding
[16:56] <GunnarHj> pmatulis: It is. I'd love it if every translators around the world spoke Swedish so I could contribute everything in Swedish. But I have resigned.
[16:57] <pleia2> pmatulis: ah, GunnarHj is the expert here :)
[17:00] <pmatulis> GunnarHj: something else, do translators always work within launchpad or can they download stuff and use some other toolset?
[17:04] <GunnarHj> pmatulis: They can download a PO file for their language, edit that file, and then upload it back to LP. One possible tool to use when editing is poedit.
[17:07] <pmatulis> GunnarHj: according to your understanding, does the vast majority of them use launchpad as UI?
[17:08] <GunnarHj> pmatulis: Don't know. Varies probably between the different translation teams. The Swedish team uses both.
[17:10] <pmatulis> GunnarHj: ok thanks
[17:11] <GunnarHj> pmatulis: I consider it normally better to download and edit PO files, since it makes it easier to understand context and make the translations consistent.


[00:00] <r3rman_> so quake live will support linux from Tuesday...
[00:01] <r3rman_> I long for the day of q2dm1... those were the days
[00:01] <psi-jack> But, how are the netgears in Linux these days? I used to use a Netgear FA--- something, only 10/100, but it wasn't always that reliable.
[00:01] <psi-jack> Perhaps the Netgear G-series for gigabit are better?
[06:14] <vecy> hey guys i need a good 'mail server' which one do you recommend
[06:19] <jmarsden> vecy: Use the one you already know how to configure :)  For general purpose use, Postfix is a common and reasonable choice.
[08:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #414359 in dovecot (main) "Dovecot-imapd, PAM auth., krb auth with non-krb user causes crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/414359
[09:13] <r3rman_> vecy, smtp.gmail.com is a nice one
[09:13] <r3rman_> non-standard ports though
[09:14] <psi-jack> How about, better, your ISP's mailservers, if you're having to use a smarthost method.
[09:15] <psi-jack> gmail's mail servers require authentication.
[09:15] <psi-jack> And not intended to be a smarthost.
[14:37] <StrangeCharm> what's the name of the metapackage for a lamp install?
[14:48] <pmatulis> StrangeCharm: lamp-server is a tasksel task, it's not a metapackage
[14:48] <StrangeCharm> pmatulis, thanks, someone let me know on #ubuntu
[17:12] <macrocosm> Anyone got a tip for full system backup and restore?  I am using rsnapshot currently for backups but I would like to be able to do a full system backup & restore & im not sure rsnapshot can do all that... anyone use rsnapshot?  Or what do you use for full sys backup/restore capabilities?  I am running server 8.10 still and would like to upgrade to the latest soon but I dont want to without a...
[17:12] <macrocosm> ...clean way to restore in case of meltdown.
[17:39] <alex-weej> what is the "recommended" MTA?
[17:39] <giovani> alex-weej: postfix
[17:39] <alex-weej> thanks!
[17:39] <giovani> macrocosm: what exactly are you trying to do that rsnapshot doesn't?
[17:46] <macrocosm> im still reading the docs so I guess it might... I just want to be able to do full system backups when I need to
[17:46] <giovani> macrocosm: ok ...
[17:48] <macrocosm> a little safety net thats all
[17:49] <giovani> right, backups are obviously a good idea
[17:49] <giovani> "full backups" can mean anything
[17:49] <giovani> it's usually entirely useless to backup binaries, for example
[17:51] <macrocosm> yeah I suppose so .. guess im just used to windows restorepoints .. and vmware workstations snapshots functionality ... I think they do leave out certain bits for sure! otherwise it would waste space needlessly
[17:51] <giovani> there are plenty of way to achieve shapshots within linux
[17:52] <macrocosm> what do you think of rsnapshot?
[17:52] <giovani> but no, windows restorepoints and vmware snapshotting don't leave out anything
[17:52] <giovani> I think it's a fine app
[17:52] <giovani> I don't have any need to do os-level backups though
[17:52] <macrocosm> it seemed to be best choice Ive found... what do you use then?
[17:53] <giovani> my storage platform handles snapshotting/backup
[17:53] <giovani> all of my files sit on a SAN
[17:53] <giovani> the important ones, that is
[17:54] <macrocosm> cool .. thats prolly where I need to go eventually .. store stuff on another machine... I think that can be done with rsnapshot too
[17:54] <giovani> huh? rsnapshot is completely unrelated to network storage
[17:54] <macrocosm> well cant it send the snapshot files to any location?
[17:55] <macrocosm> they dont have to be local right?
[17:55] <giovani> sure ...
[17:55] <giovani> that has to do with backup ... not storage
[17:55] <macrocosm> yeah
[17:59] <macrocosm> giovani: what storage platform are you using?
[18:00] <giovani> a NetApp FAS2020
[18:02] <macrocosm> nice
[18:04] <macrocosm> not cheap thats for sure! But it looks like its got all the goods
[18:57] <monox> Hi folks!
[18:58] <monox> I'm trying to set up some extremely simple network sharing in Linux. Just a windows laptop connected to a linux server connected to the ISP. I followed these instructions -> http://u.nu/38wv
[18:58] <monox> But I wasn't sure what to put as the gateway IP so I just put <IP_ADDRESS> hoping that would work. But the laptop then fails to connect... what could cause this?
[18:58] <monox> (by fails to connect, I mean it says "connected" but pinging <IP_ADDRESS> or google fails. I use OpenDNS)
[20:24] <LiraNuna> what's the default FTP server in ubuntu?
[20:24] <LiraNuna> and does it matter if I use it or not? (security wise)
[20:27] <nick125> LiraNuna: I don't think there is a "default" FTP server.
[20:27] <LiraNuna> that answers my question too, thank you
[20:27] <nick125> I'd recommend against FTP for uploading files...use SCP instead.
[20:37] <duiu> ssh is rejecting my password for all users except the one I created at system install (that user can even use key auth). Suggestions? ssh -vv output at http://paste.ubuntu.com/254172 for when I log in and get denied
[22:25] <CopyWriter> hi guys, i've created my network everything is running beautifully
[22:25] <CopyWriter> my last pursuit is how to join my ubuntu desktop to my ubuntu server domain
[22:35] <CopyWriter> pleeeasssee :)
[22:37] <jmarsden> CopyWriter: "Ubuntu server domain" as in you are running Samba as a windows domain controller on the Ubuntu server?  Samba3 (NT-style PDC) or Samba4 (with the new Active Directory stuff)?  And what happens when you try to join your Ubuntu desktop to the domain?  WHat exactly did you try and what error messages did you get?
[22:38] <CopyWriter> not exactly
[22:38] <jmarsden> OK, define "domain" --- DNS domain?  Windows domain? NIS domain??
[22:38] <CopyWriter> i installed ebox, and got the pdc up i'm seeing the server on the network i can connect to it using the share i set up, but when i boot it's only the local account i can gain access into the machine
[22:39] <CopyWriter> I know it's not a windows domain, i'm stumped over that one
[22:40] <jmarsden> "got the PDC up" ... so you configured Samba3 as a NT-style domain controller, right?
[22:40] <CopyWriter> right
[22:40] <jmarsden> OK, so what happens when you try to join the workstation to that NT-style domain?
[22:40] <CopyWriter> that's the thing i dont know how to join the workstation to that domain
[22:41] <CopyWriter> i edited the smb.conf file set the security to domain and the workgroup to the workgroup
[22:41] <CopyWriter> and rebooted and nada :), did a join command i found
[22:42] <CopyWriter> using the net join command
[22:42] <jmarsden> Um... are you using ebox, or are you manually editing config files....?  Doing both is probably unwise.
[22:43] <CopyWriter> eep... i'm doing both
[22:43] <CopyWriter> well i'm editing the conf files on the clients
[22:43] <jmarsden> Why?  Are you 100% sure your manual changes will be recognized by ebox OK and not overwritten?
[22:43] <CopyWriter> and using the web interface for ebox
[22:43] <jmarsden> On the server, you should probably stick to ebox as much as possible once you decide to use it.
[22:44] <CopyWriter> but got no idea how to connect the workstation to the domain
[22:46] <jmarsden> net join is the usual way... what exactly happens when you use it, and exactly what net join command are you using?
[22:47] <CopyWriter> net join -W SCCSDA -U administrator (I USE THIS)
[22:47] <CopyWriter> net [<method>] join [misc. options]
[22:47] <CopyWriter> 	joins this server to a domain
[22:47] <CopyWriter> Valid methods: (auto-detected if not specified)
[22:47] <CopyWriter> 	ads				Active Directory (LDAP/Kerberos)
[22:47] <CopyWriter> 	rpc				DCE-RPC
[22:47] <CopyWriter> Valid targets: choose one (none defaults to localhost)
[22:47] <CopyWriter> 	-S or --server=<server>		server name
[22:47] <CopyWriter> 	-I or --ipaddress=<ipaddr>	address of target server
[22:47] <CopyWriter> 	-w or --workgroup=<wg>		target workgroup or domain
[22:47] <CopyWriter> Valid miscellaneous options are:
[22:47] <CopyWriter> 	-p or --port=<port>		connection port on target
[22:47] <CopyWriter> 	-W or --myworkgroup=<wg>	client workgroup
[22:47] <CopyWriter> 	-d or --debuglevel=<level>	debug level (0-10)
[22:47] <CopyWriter> 	-n or --myname=<name>		client name
[22:47] <CopyWriter> 	-U or --user=<name>		user name
[22:48] <CopyWriter> 	-s or --configfile=<path>	pathname of smb.conf file
[22:48] <CopyWriter> 	-l or --long			Display full information
[22:48] <CopyWriter> 	-V or --version			Print samba version information
[22:48] <CopyWriter> 	-P or --machine-pass		Authenticate as machine account
[22:48] <CopyWriter> 	-e or --encrypt			Encrypt SMB transport (UNIX extended servers only)
[22:48] <CopyWriter> 	-k or --kerberos		Use kerberos (active directory) authentication
[22:48] <CopyWriter> mark@TreasuryEXT:~$
[22:48] <CopyWriter> and get this
[22:48] <jmarsden> Woah.... don't post that much in here
[22:48] <jmarsden> Use pastebin :)
[22:48] <PhotoJim> pastebin :)
[22:48] <CopyWriter> sorry about that
[22:48] <CopyWriter> didn't know about pastebin
[22:48] <CopyWriter> googling it now
[22:48] <PhotoJim> np :)
[22:49] <jmarsden> you got the syntax of the command wrong...  net rpc join -W SCCSDA -Uadministrator   # is more likely to get you somewhere.
[22:49] <jmarsden> But I'm not sure if -Uadministrator is what you want here... should the -U be the machine account??  Let me check...
[22:50] <CopyWriter> i now get cannot join as a standalone machine
[22:51] <jmarsden> That's progress... one sec...
[22:51] <CopyWriter> :) yes!
[22:51] <jmarsden> net rpc join member -W SCCSDA -Uadministrator
[22:52] <CopyWriter> same thing, can't join as a standalone machine
[22:56] <jmarsden> Hmmm, I'm not finding an obvious answer... I'd suggest you look through the docs at http://us6.samba.org/samba/docs/ for stuff related to joining domains and see if that error is mentioned, or if you missed a step somewhere.
[22:57] <CopyWriter> will do, i know i'm close, there is always tomorrow
[22:57] <CopyWriter> thanks jmarsden
[22:58] <CopyWriter> :) now to get home before my wife kills me
[22:58] <jmarsden> Ok, no problem :)


[00:57] <kalcso> I'd recently lose an important folder by using this: sudo -r, How can I recover back that files and folders?
[06:59] <fossfreedom> jbicha: you are an officer and a gent with that meson+budgie-desktop push.  Thanks!
[09:52] <kalcso> Why my grub doesn't load.