[04:13] <phosphorgreen> anyone know how to switch off spatial browsing in 2.10
[04:13] <fsapo> mjr, ubuntu booted with 1280x1024@60hz
[04:13] <kbrooks> phosphorgreen, how!
[04:13] <dabugas> LordGrunt: when i said it can't open /dev/dsp i actually meant it can't find it :)
[04:13] <LordGrunt> fsapo: edit xorg.conf and change refresh rates for your monitor. look for specs at google
[04:14] <phosphorgreen> google for splashimage hoary grub and you should find a website that has the info kbrooks
[04:14] <mjr> fsapo, well, it simply may be that X is playing safer than the Windows driver, and if indeed the monitor can deal with it, you might try increasing the refresh rates a bit at a time, but again, at your own risk :)
[04:14] <fsapo> LordGrunt, already did that.. is still goes 60hz
[04:14] <dabugas> LordGrunt: the question really is, how do i create it, and why was it erased?
[04:14] <blueyed> I guess I cannot restart X without closing the running apps?
[04:14] <LordGrunt> dabugas: yep, when something uses it, else apps wont find it
[04:14] <Lightboy> hey all
[04:14] <Lightboy> um
[04:14] <LordGrunt> dabugas: create what?
[04:14] <Lena14> i did edit the /etc/sudoers and now i cant type either sudo -s or su... what shall i do? :(
[04:15] <dabugas> LordGrunt: /dev/dsp?
[04:15] <Lightboy> if we wanted to help like for the amd64 version of warty what would i need to know or b able to do?
[04:15] <Lightboy> i mean hoary
[04:15] <xukun> I just installed downloaded and installed ubuntu hoary on my laptop, ist possible to install older nvidia driver version? becouse my lapttops video card doesnt work with 6629 drivers version or newer
[04:15] <phosphorgreen> basically you put a xpm.gz file into an images folder within /boot/grub and set the splashimage setting in menu.lst
[04:15] <phosphorgreen> you can get bootsplashes /
[04:15] <whiskers> is there a sound file on hoary anywhere to test the installations ability to set up alsa
[04:15] <phosphorgreen> anyone know how to switch off spatial browsing in 2.10???
[04:15] <whiskers> i have no idea if alsa was set up or not
[04:15] <exalted> zenrox, any idea?
[04:16] <LordGrunt> dabugas: as i told you, it will create self when no other app will use sound. i have same problems. cant use 2 sources of sound at once
[04:16] <djp> sander: the wart-updates repo is not a "break my ubuntu" repo is it?
[04:16] <whiskers> phosphorgreen, well i switched off spatial on gentoo with the gconf-editor
[04:16] <xukun> anybody?
[04:16] <dabugas> LordGrunt: but i am NOT trying to use 2 apps :)
[04:16] <whiskers> phosphorgreen, but i don't know anything about ubuntu...just now looking at it
[04:16] <sander> djp: the -updates repository is for major, but not security related, package upgraded. So it should be completely safe for every user to include this repository
[04:17] <djp> sander: thanks
[04:17] <fsapo> somebody could do me a favor? i m trying to gent the rates with this: http://www.sh.nu/nvidia/gtf.php
[04:17] <dcahrakos> does anyone know a good partition tool?
[04:17] <fsapo> but it isnt showing anything
[04:17] <dcahrakos> does anyone know a good partition tool?
[04:17] <Mr-Petah> hi all
[04:17] <xukun> bob2`, are you around?
[04:17] <fsapo> somebody could put there 1280x960 70hz for me and show me the results?
[04:17] <dcahrakos> oops, didnt mean to ask twice
[04:18] <roo_> dcahrakos, gparted ?
[04:18] <black_Nightmare> fsapo...sorry not me... mointor already maxxed out as ubuntu specified
[04:18] <roo_> dcahrakos, its a gtk frontend to GNU parted
[04:18] <kbrooks> now for a test reboot
[04:18] <xukun> where are all the good guys when u reed them? ;)
[04:18] <black_Nightmare> had to use damn mointor controls to bring the screen into view as some of it went off the sides :|
[04:18] <whiskers> how do we install kernel 2.6.7 on this hoary
[04:18] <libben> why cant i play mpg files directly? i have updated the whole system... isnt there codecs for mpg files =)
[04:19] <dcahrakos> sorry, I should have specified, I need one so I can make a partition to install ubuntu
[04:19] <fsapo> i just want to know the required horizontal and vertical sync ?(
[04:19] <whiskers> i know i can make that kernel work
[04:20] <SiRrUs> whiskers whats wrong with the new kernel
[04:20] <black_Nightmare> fsapo..I could tell you one at 1140x868 if you want
[04:20] <robertj> does zeroconf play nice with hoary?
[04:20] <dabugas> i think that somehow i've erased the soundcard module. how do i put it back?
[04:21] <whiskers> SiRrUs, well i was trying the 2.6.10 on gentoo for awhile but i never could get dvd burning proper on k3b so i had to go back to 2.6.7
[04:21] <fsapo> black_Nightmare, thanx.. but i m already using 1158x
[04:21] <fsapo> black_Nightmare, i want to use 1280x960 :(
[04:21] <whiskers> SiRrUs, now gnome-baker0.3 can burn dvds but uh...i think i need 2.6.7
[04:21] <SiRrUs> whiskers have you tried graveman
[04:21] <whiskers> as far as i know at this time
[04:22] <Lena14> i did edit the /etc/sudoers and now i cant type either sudo -s or su... what shall i do? :(
[04:22] <kbrooks> tested the grub screen, worked
[04:22] <kbrooks> i want a REAL bootsplash
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> well anyhow I'm going off now so bye :p
[04:23] <zenwhen> kbrooks, does scrolling white text offend you?
[04:24] <zenwhen> and why would someone need to reboot a Linux machine often enough to care about a bootsplash? ;)
[04:24] <Cspnico> re
[04:24] <binbrain> anybody have an issue with monodevelop on Warty PPC
[04:25] <Lightboy> boot splashes are fun...
[04:25] <kbrooks> zenwhen, no, but i want other people to bootmy comp up, press enter, and *bang* see a splash
[04:25] <Lightboy> its more fun trying to get the splash when u login to change
[04:26] <whiskers> SiRrUs, no i have not tried it....is it in synaptic
[04:26] <SiRrUs> yes
[04:26] <Lightboy> ahh
[04:26] <whiskers> lets see if it will work with 2.6.10
[04:26] <Lightboy> yeah no thats sorta what i know how to do
[04:26] <Lightboy> cept when i did it it kinda went.. uhh im gonna put some random colours here when u try log out
[04:27] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> woohoo, i finally have 85Hz refresh
[04:27] <Lena14> i did edit the /etc/sudoers and now i cant type either sudo -s or su... what shall i do? :(
[04:27] <whiskers> SiRrUs, what section is it under in synaptic
[04:27] <SiRrUs> just do a search for graveman
[04:28] <kbrooks> anyone?
[04:28] <kbrooks> zenwhen, be helpful
[04:28] <whiskers> SiRrUs, search doesn't seem to work
[04:28] <SiRrUs> whiskers you running hoary?
[04:29] <whiskers> i have no idea...just some preview torrent
[04:29] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:29] <zenwhen> be helpful?
[04:29] <zenwhen> theres no bootsplash for ubuntu right now
[04:29] <zenwhen> what can i help you with
[04:29] <SiRrUs> did it come with the 2.6.10 kernel
[04:30] <whiskers> let me see i could do a dmesg and try to get kernel version if that will help identify anything
[04:30] <SiRrUs> or a uname
[04:30] <zenwhen> well at least not one i know of
[04:30] <rdoursenaud> Hello there
[04:30] <SiRrUs> oops uname -r
[04:30] <whiskers> dmesg says kernel 2.6.10-4....so what version of hoary is this
[04:31] <SiRrUs> thats hoary
[04:31] <whiskers> SiRrUs, well search does not work...do you know which branch graveman is in
[04:31] <SiRrUs> update your repositories
[04:32] <whiskers> SiRrUs, how do you do that
[04:32] <SiRrUs> and no i dont know what branch updating your repositories will get it for you tho
[04:33] <rdoursenaud> If anyone knows how to submit a GDM greeter theme to the ubuntu team, please tell me (And sorry for the buzz...)
[04:33] <theine> whiskers: open up synaptic and hit 'Reload'
[04:33] <SiRrUs> if you like synaptic >>>> open it go to settings>>>repositories>>>add  and select all of them
[04:34] <whiskers> there is a lot crap in repository button of synaptic...binaries, sources, etc...what is all that
[04:34] <theine> it's not crap
[04:34] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:34] <whiskers> ok...not crap...confusions
[04:34] <theine> whiskers: you probably won't need any sources
[04:34] <kbrooks> wtf
[04:35] <whiskers> well ok i will try the cd hoary binary and see what happens
[04:35] <theine> whiskers: you'll try what?
[04:35] <SiRrUs> lead a horse to water but cant make the horse drink :)
[04:36] <whiskers> it is downloading a lot of files...have no idea what is going on
[04:36] <theine> whiskers: relax, you'll get the hang of it eventually
[04:36] <kbrooks> what group do i put 'nicole' in so that she can use the sysadmin apps?
[04:36] <smokinggun> I want to remove the apm package with Synaptic but when I choose to remove it it also wants to remove the ubuntu desktop.  How do I just remove the apm package?
[04:36] <whiskers> nope still search does not find graveman
[04:36] <kbrooks> wheel
[04:36] <kbrooks> ?
[04:36] <kbrooks> i dont see wheel.
[04:36] <theine> whiskers: alright, do as i say...
[04:37] <theine> whiskers: go to settings -> repositories
[04:37] <roo_> kbrooks, "admin"
[04:37] <whiskers> theine, ok so far so good
[04:37] <theine> whiskers: describe what you see
[04:37] <whiskers> lots of choices sources binaries securities
[04:38] <theine> whiskers: how many, four?
[04:38] <theine> whiskers: 2 binary, 2 sources?
[04:38] <whiskers> 6
[04:38] <WillCooke> Hello all.
[04:38] <whiskers> 4 binaries 2 sources
[04:39] <smokinggun> I want to remove the apm package with Synaptic but when I choose to remove it it also wants to remove the ubuntu desktop.  How do I just remove the apm package?
[04:39] <theine> whiskers: what are the names of the 4 binaries? Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog, Ubuntu Security Updates, and?
[04:39] <whiskers> theine, yes
[04:39] <theine> whiskers: what are the other 2?
[04:39] <whiskers> cd and  not cd
[04:39] <theine> whiskers: ok, delete the 2 CD repos
[04:39] <WillCooke> Just replaced by ATI vid card with a nvidia one.  What a difference!  Anyone with an ATI card, I recommend you go and buy a cheapo nvidia one, e.g. anything based on a 5200 for approx 30GBP. Much much better speed
[04:40] <whiskers> ok only 1 cd
[04:40] <whiskers> i deleted it
[04:40] <roo_> WillCooke, yep, unless ur a poor soul running a laptop with an ati chipset
[04:40] <theine> whiskers: delete both cd repos
[04:40] <whiskers> there are two hoary binaries...are they the same
[04:40] <kbrooks> i have a question
[04:40] <theine> whiskers: no
[04:40] <WillCooke> roo_ Bummer!  You're a bit stuck there! ;)
[04:40] <theine> whiskers: one is only security updates
[04:40] <xukun> is there anybody who can tell me if its possible to install the nvidia 6111 driver on just newely installed hoary?
[04:41] <roo_> WillCooke, im not much of a gamer, but i still require opengl for some stuff :(
[04:41] <kbrooks> what is the syntax to let a specific group su in
[04:41] <kbrooks> sudo
[04:41] <theine> whiskers: so now you're left with 2 binary repos, right?
[04:41] <smokinggun> kbrooks: add them to the sudoers file in etc
[04:41] <whiskers> theine, no 3....two hoary binaries and 1 hoary security binary
[04:41] <kbrooks> e.g. if this user is in that group, then the user is allowed to sudo?
[04:41] <WillCooke> roo_, Same here, I don't play games on my computer, I've got a console for that.  OpenGL is very handy, and mplayer can make use of the card as well
[04:42] <kbrooks> smokinggun, i hve it open! what is the syntax
[04:42] <theine> whiskers: what are the names of the first 2?
[04:42] <WillCooke> xukun, Why version 6111?
[04:42] <Slask3n> why cat i find my 250GB S-ATA HDD in Ubuntu? I found it in Mandrake and SuSE...
[04:42] <theine> whiskers: the non-security ones?
[04:42] <Slask3n> cant*
[04:42] <smokinggun> kbrooks: it should have a user listed
[04:42] <robertj> warty, hoary?
[04:42] <whiskers> the first two are hoary hedgehog 5.04 binary and sources
[04:42] <roo_> WillCooke, i hear ya mate, i did have DRI/3D working under Gentoo but it involved some serious hackery-pokery which I havent been arsed with in Ubu yet.
[04:42] <kbrooks> Slask3n, because hard drives are not automatically mounted
[04:42] <kbrooks> " kyle	ALL=(ALL) ALL "
[04:42] <theine> whiskers: you can delete the sources one as well
[04:42] <Slask3n> kbrooks: i mounted it in the setup...
[04:43] <whiskers> theine, ok i will
[04:43] <theine> whiskers: so you now have 2 repositories alltogether?
[04:43] <kbrooks> Slask3n, setup a shortcut, then.
[04:43] <WillCooke> slask3m, have a look in /dev/evms
[04:43] <smokinggun> kbrooks: ok pick the user you want and add this line user    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:44] <whiskers> i have 3....two hoary binaries and 1 hoary security
[04:44] <smokinggun> kbrooks: then that user should be able to sudo root
[04:44] <kbrooks> smokinggun, and group, is the syntax the same but with a %group
[04:44] <whiskers> no more sources
[04:44] <andrewski> does Xorg freeze (occasionally) for anyone else while using evolution?
[04:44] <Slask3n> kbrooks, willcooke: ok, but i am going to install the hoary rc now anyway, so i can fix it there i guess...
[04:45] <theine> whiskers: do you notice any difference between the two hoary binaries?
[04:45] <whiskers> theine, no they look the same as far as i can tell
[04:45] <xukun> WillCooke, I now it sounds silly but from experience if I install the the 6629 driver or the new nvidia version my screen breaks in to two parts. it has something to do with my laptop and my video card which doesnt work with the new drivers
[04:45] <smokinggun> kbrooks: I dont follow
[04:45] <theine> whiskers: alright, delete one of them
[04:45] <whiskers> theine, ok
[04:45] <sesh> hi guys
[04:45] <Slask3n> its 5. april the Hoary gets released isnt it?
[04:45] <whiskers> ok i have 2 binaries left
[04:46] <theine> whiskers: ok, so now you have one hoary binary and one security updates binary, right?
[04:46] <whiskers> yes
[04:46] <theine> whiskers: nothing else?
[04:46] <whiskers> and it downloaded 8 files
[04:46] <libben> can i typ rm *.* in /tmp without worry?
[04:46] <sesh> i've got a problem with mounting my other partitions.. i've got them mounted thru fstab but not able access the folder.. how do i get nautilus to open the folders as sudo or root?
[04:46] <theine> whiskers: wait, we're not done yet...
[04:46] <whiskers> theine, ok...what next
[04:46] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:46] <kbrooks> libben, yes and no
[04:46] <theine> whiskers: so far we just removed stuff you won't need...
[04:47] <whiskers> theine, ok fines
[04:47] <whiskers> fine
[04:47] <smokinggun> libben: if youre running x probably no
[04:47] <theine> whiskers: go back to settings -> repositories
[04:47] <xukun> WillCooke, so the only driver that works for me is the 6111 version
[04:47] <whiskers> ok i did
[04:47] <kbrooks> libben, you may rm -rf /tmp/* ONLY when you are out of X
[04:47] <solidape> quick q from a newbie: how do i reconfigure locale settings? dpkg-reconfigure *******?
[04:47] <andrewski> libben: in which case, i think you could exit X and do it safely. :)
[04:48] <theine> whiskers: what's written in small letters below "Hoary Hedgehog" and "Security Updates"?
[04:48] <whiskers> officially supported restricted copyright
[04:48] <smokinggun> I want to remove the apm package with Synaptic but when I choose to remove it it also wants to remove the ubuntu desktop.  How do I just remove the apm package?
[04:48] <theine> whiskers: Just "Officially supported" and "Restricted copyright"?
[04:48] <whiskers> theine, yes that is all i see
[04:48] <theine> whiskers: alright, select the Hoary binary repo
[04:49] <theine> whiskers: and then click on "Edit"
[04:49] <whiskers> ok
[04:49] <libben> ok, if i let /tmp be... how long will it be there before it gets empty.... i have alot of 20 megs movie files in there
[04:49] <whiskers> ok goes to us archives
[04:49] <solidape> quick q from a newbie: how do i reconfigure locale settings? dpkg-reconfigure *******?
[04:49] <theine> whiskers: what do you see under sections?
[04:49] <libben> and i can remove them by hand sure... but does /tmp gets cleaned?
[04:49] <jjpmr52> sa
[04:50] <kbrooks> libben, depends
[04:50] <whiskers> main restricted
[04:50] <theine> whiskers: ok, replace "main restricted" with "main restricted universe multiverse"
[04:50] <smokinggun> Can anyone help with a quick Syanptic problem?
[04:50] <andrewski> smokinggun: ask away.
[04:50] <theine> whiskers: and then hit "OK"
[04:50] <whiskers> ok i did
[04:50] <smokinggun> I want to remove the apm package with Synaptic but when I choose to remove it it also wants to remove the ubuntu desktop.  How do I just remove the apm package?
[04:50] <andrewski> anyone using evolution on hoary?
[04:51] <theine> whiskers: now do exactly the same for the Security updates binary repo
[04:51] <libben> I mean.. will /tmp get empty on every reboot? or will tmp just fill up with alot of crap?
[04:51] <crimsun> libben: it's cleaned every boot
[04:52] <theine> whiskers: got it?
[04:52] <whiskers> ok this time downloaded 12 files...don't know what they were
[04:52] <smokinggun> andrewski: any ideas?
[04:52] <theine> whiskers: sounds good, now search for graveman
[04:53] <libben> hmm... 46 new updates... update notifier dont take packs from m,universe?
[04:53] <hybrid_> what is cvs?
[04:53] <whiskers> theine, yes it found it
[04:53] <jjpmr52> s
[04:53] <smokinggun> hybrid_:cuncurrent versioning system
[04:53] <theine> whiskers: congratulations!
[04:53] <andrewski> smokinggun: ubuntu-desktop has a lot of dependencies, but it's safe to remove.  installing it will pull in "all the packages you need to have a nice desktop".
[04:53] <kkathman> hybrid_, cvs is usually used by developers to check in and check out source
[04:53] <jjpmr52> s
[04:53] <xukun> which one is the kernel-headers matching my current kernel version?
[04:53] <whiskers> ok i marked for installation...what next
[04:53] <smokinggun> andrewski: ok but say I want to remove something else that has a depency issue then what?
[04:54] <theine> whiskers: Hit "Apply"
[04:54] <libben> andrewski, but sometimes u want to remove a program... say like gnome bittorrent... then it will say it will uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[04:54] <libben> is it safe to remove the ubunt-desktop then?
[04:54] <kkathman> hybrid_, There is a very good CVS for the KDE environment called cervisia
[04:54] <whiskers> ok it is going to install a new cdrdao along with usual gentoo files
[04:54] <smokinggun> andrewski: I want to remove apm but not the ubuntu-desktop package is that possible?
[04:54] <libben> will i not have the awsome powers for my desktop then?
[04:55] <theine> whiskers: what gentoo files?
[04:55] <andrewski> smokinggun: no, but ubuntu-desktop doesn't give you anything but other packages.
[04:55] <whiskers> theine, the usual stuff....libflac,sox,etc
[04:55] <hybrid_> kkatham : but what is cvs
[04:55] <andrewski> smokinggun: so, if you just uninstalled it, there'd be no changes to your system.
[04:55] <theine> whiskers: ok, install all that
[04:55] <andrewski> libben: bittorrent?
[04:55] <whiskers> theine, ok i did
[04:55] <EvilIdler> smokinggun: ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package that only depends on things to make installation easy
[04:56] <whiskers> do i need to build a menu for graveman
[04:56] <theine> whiskers: no, it's under Applications -> Acessoires
[04:56] <libben> gnome bittorrent. if i wanna remove that... it will tell me that i need to remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:56] <xukun> it seems that I,m asking the wrong quations, becouse sadly enough I get no answers
[04:56] <kbrooks> xukun, ask them.....again
[04:56] <whiskers> theine, hey it built its own menu entry...how did it do that?
[04:56] <theine> whiskers: maybe you need to log oit of gnome and log in again so that it appears
[04:57] <kkathman> hybrid_, When say several people are working on a project, such as a web site, a cvs system allows you to work on a program by checking it in and out of a source vault. It tracks changes, when and who makes them, and locks the source when someone is working on it
[04:57] <whiskers> no it is there and it is up...
[04:57] <theine> whiskers: Gnome's smart...
[04:57] <jjpmr52> s
[04:57] <xukun> kbrooks,  which one is the kernel-headers matching my current kernel version?
[04:57] <EvilIdler> xukun: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` might work
[04:57] <whiskers> ok it detects the hp200 dvd burner ok
[04:57] <theine> whiskers: By the way, when you click on "status" in synaptic, are there any upgradable packages?
[04:57] <resiak> libben: ubuntu-desktop is (afaik) only a metapackage. You can remove it without ill effect.
[04:57] <kkathman> hybrid_, I've heard 2 acronyms for CVS, Concurrent versioning System, and Content Validation/Verification System
[04:58] <hybrid_> kkatham : so it is like bug fixes?
[04:58] <jjpmr52> s
[04:58] <libben> ok. so its just a dummy pack =)
[04:58] <smokinggun> ok say I want to remove dash, it then also wants to remove the Ubuntu base!
[04:58] <libben> hmm... should i install the 46 new updates that just popped up?
[04:58] <EvilIdler> Concurrent is the "most correct" one. Seems it's just like DVD, which no longer is an acronym :)
[04:58] <andrewski> libben: yes, that's what i was saying. :)
[04:58] <jjpmr52> s
[04:58] <andrewski> libben: 46 new ones from updating?
[04:58] <hybrid_> kkatman : so it is like bug fixes?
[04:59] <libben> from update notifier
[04:59] <hybrid_> kkathman : so it is like bug fixes?
[04:59] <andrewski> smokinggun: ubuntu-base is also a dummy package.
[04:59] <hybrid_> srry couldnt get your name right srry
[04:59] <kkathman> hybrid_, no, not really. What it does is catalog all the source programs and keeps developers from stepping on each others toes. It also keeps up with the people fixing bugs in a program by allowing documentation and versioning.
[04:59] <libben> f*ck im supposed to have dinner... not dressed even.... bbl
[04:59] <EvilIdler> hybrid_: CVS is a method of storing source code as you improve it, meaning you can have several people work on it at the same time, plus go back a version when you make a poo-poo
[05:00] <xukun> EvilIdler, then I get Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[05:00] <whiskers> theine, lots of upgradable packages
[05:00] <smokinggun> ok say I want to remove initrd-tools?
[05:00] <theine> whiskers: I'd suggest you apgrade all of them
[05:00] <andrewski> smokinggun: dunno, what's it say?
[05:00] <theine> whiskers: Click "Mark All Upgrades" and hit "Apply"
[05:00] <smokinggun> andrewski: that's another one that dash wants to remove as well
[05:00] <username> in ubuntu is it possible to burn a dvd iso?
[05:00] <EvilIdler> xukun: That's strange. It's a valid name, and that SHOULD be the default Hoary kernel..
[05:00] <kkathman> hybrid_,  say you and I are working on a web site. And you find an error in one of the pages. Within the CVS you would check out the source, fix the page, then check it back it. The CVS logs that you made the change, and locks the program while you are fixing it so I cant make a change at the same time to that program.
[05:00] <andrewski> smokinggun: then go for it.  or don't remove dash.  it's up to you.
[05:01] <hybrid_> kkathman : EvilIdler: so i could work on a project and so could you and we track the changes of the source eachother does on the project?
[05:01] <fsapo> xukun, try www.kernel.org :)
[05:01] <EvilIdler> xukun: do an "apt-cache search kernel-headers"
[05:01] <kkathman> hybrid_, Yes exactly
[05:01] <EvilIdler> hybrid_: That's right.
[05:01] <hybrid_> ok i c thank you
[05:01] <whiskers> theine, ok we will try but it is downloading 352 packages
[05:01] <whiskers> with smart upgrade
[05:01] <xukun> apt-cache search kernel-headers
[05:01] <xukun> linux-kernel-headers - Linux Kernel Headers for development
[05:01] <xukun> kernel-package - A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages.
[05:01] <theine> whiskers: Don't worry, it'll be fine
[05:01] <theine> whiskers: It'll be better I should say...
[05:02] <EvilIdler> hybrid_: CVS will try to guess what to do when two developers work on the same file, and just spit out the difference for them to fix if it can't. It simplifies some things, but makes a mess at times :)
[05:02] <username> obviously not
[05:02] <roo_> EvilIdler, cvs sucks :)
[05:02] <kkathman> I know this is rudimentary, but can someone explain what an RPM is and how I would use it?
[05:02] <whiskers> theine, well i just want to get the dvd burner working again...i really liked it on gentoo with k3b
[05:02] <EvilIdler> robin_: I prefer SVN myself
[05:02] <roo_> :)
[05:02] <resiak> kkathman: You wouldn't on Ubuntu.
[05:02] <hybrid_> EvilIdler: lol
[05:02] <fsapo> whiskers, i ve done it.. and it really works :) i m with all the hoary packages installed... but i have th 4.10 ubuntu's release :)
[05:02] <whiskers> and i want to get the epson mfc working again...i liked that too on gentoo
[05:02] <EvilIdler> If you're a programmer who hasn't ever used CVS for your own projects..don't start now :)
[05:03] <kkathman> resiak, there is a program called gimpshop, a Photoshop knock off, and I'd like to use it, but its only available as an RPM
[05:03] <hybrid_> kkathman it is like .deb but for redhat
[05:03] <theine> whiskers: It's just an advice, you can also stay with the non-up-to-date packages of course
[05:03] <resiak> kkathman: Why not just use GIMP?
[05:03] <xukun> EvilIdler,   kernel-package - A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages.
[05:03] <whiskers> theine, no we are going to try
[05:03] <roo_> kkathman, there must be a tar.gz release too... surely?
[05:03] <xukun> EvilIdler, apt-cache search kernel-headers
[05:03] <xukun> linux-kernel-headers - Linux Kernel Headers for development
[05:03] <xukun> kernel-package - A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages.
[05:03] <theine> whiskers: It's more likely to get things working with the newest packages...
[05:03] <whiskers> theine, if anything goes wrong  i can always repartition and reinstall
[05:03] <EvilIdler> xukun: You will want that one if you don't have it, but can you see version numbers for the kernel-headers packages?
[05:03] <hybrid_> kkathman it is best to not use it on ubuntu because it is not native aand may over write the dpkg system
[05:03] <kkathman> resiak, well, the GIMPshop is a hack of GIMP to look and feel more like PS of which Im very familiar
[05:03] <theine> whiskers: won't be necessary
[05:04] <resiak> kkathman: I know what it is. The GIMP's not that hard to get used to...
[05:04] <woodwizzle> is there anyway toget the gimp 2.2.4 in ubuntu?
[05:04] <kkathman> roo_, I'll see if I can find one, but I keep running into this RPM :(
[05:04] <whiskers> yes i reallly like gimp scanner with libusb on epson mfc
[05:04] <EvilIdler> I don't like the interfaces for Photoshop OR the GIMP, but the GIMP at least gets what I need done
[05:04] <hybrid_> kkathman can you play with the source?
[05:04] <kkathman> hybrid_, uh no
[05:04] <whiskers> but i had to set manually on gentoo..i don't know if hoary is automatic
[05:04] <roo_> kkathman, there is a source tarball (tarball is X.tar.gz or X.tar.bz2) available for gimpshop
[05:04] <hybrid_> kkathman oh
[05:05] <kkathman> roo_, do you have a link for that?
[05:05] <EvilIdler> Is there a bounty for building the gimpshop debs? Maybe it'll motivate me :P
[05:05] <roo_> kkathman, http://videos.thebroken.org/vids/GIMPshop-source-2.2.4.tbz
[05:05] <kkathman> thank you very much sir
[05:05] <puckman> Good afternoon.
[05:05] <puckman> Does anyone here know how to get sound working on a dell 3500?
[05:05] <puckman> I searched the net but could not find much.
[05:06] <roo_> kkathman, im not sure if thats correct, i found it by googling -- so can u :)
[05:06] <andrewski> woodwizzle: chances are good it'll be in hoary soon, but i don't really know. :)
[05:06] <puckman> hoary is very nice!
[05:06] <hybrid_> kkathman platicbugs.com has the link
[05:06] <kkathman> roo_, I guess I missed that one
[05:06] <roo_> kkathman, :)
[05:07] <kerskine> Hi - the software updater says a number of packages can't be authenticated.  Is this a temporary problem, or did the signing key get updated?
[05:07] <xukun> EvilIdler,  apt-cache show linux-kernel-headersArchitecture: i386
[05:07] <xukun> Version: 2.5.999-test7-bk-17
[05:07] <kkathman> roo_, I dont want to mess things up too much, so I may just try GIMP first, I do all my graphics today in PS7 in Windows
[05:07] <xukun> what does that show?
[05:07] <roo_> kkathman, Gimp's interface is a little rusty, but its improving with each release the functionality is amazing anyway.
[05:07] <roo_> kkathman, using PS7 kills kittens!
[05:08] <EvilIdler> xukun: That's the same I have installed by default. It's a strange package that many programs depend on :/
[05:08] <mjr> hmm, so gimpshop _wasn't_ and april fool? ;)
[05:08] <xukun> EvilIdler, is that what I need to install?
[05:08] <kkathman> roo_, My requrements arent exactly huge, but PS is just what I cut my teeth on so to speak...so learning a new GUI is ok as long as I can do mostly the same things
[05:08] <EvilIdler> xukun: You should have that already, but what is it that demands the headers from your current kernel?
[05:09] <puckman> I have been using Pshop since version 1 and have to say gimp looks damn good for something that cost $ 0
[05:09] <kkathman> roo_, I killed kittens??? Hmm I'm a mass murderer of the feline kind
[05:09] <EvilIdler> There's even a huge GIMP manual that improves now and then
[05:09] <maxchee> who are the three people on the new login screen?
[05:09] <EvilIdler> kkathman: Bast hates you.
[05:09] <roo_> kkathman, yes, you are!
[05:09] <xukun> I need to install the nvidia drivers 6111 version from nvidia
[05:09] <xukun> EvilIdler, I need to install the nvidia drivers 6111 version from nvidia
[05:09] <roo_> maxchee, one of them is me! :D
[05:10] <xukun> EvilIdler, look at this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FinishInstallationHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia
[05:10] <roo_> kkathman, if ur reqs arent huge, im willing to bet Gimp can do what u need it to ;)
[05:10] <EvilIdler> xukun: Do you need to compile them? If not, you'll get away with binaries..
[05:10] <maxchee> roo_: then who are the other two people?
[05:11] <maxchee> roo_: you must know them...
[05:11] <kkathman> roo_, As long as is has layers, transparencies, image manipulation (sizing and transforms) and basic drawing Im kewl
[05:11] <roo_> maxchee, one is God, and the other is the guy who does Homer Simpson's voice.
[05:11] <roo_> kkathman, its had those features for, errm, 4 years? :D
[05:11] <maxchee> roo_: ...which one is god, the guy with the ugly face?
[05:11] <kkathman> roo_, excellent :)
[05:11] <roo_> maxchee, thats me :(
[05:11] <roo_> ;)
[05:12] <EvilIdler> Layers since the beginning, I think
[05:12] <maxchee> roo_: or the guy with the disfigured face?
[05:12] <Dalkus> Christ, A friend just said "hmm, got to drop by to fix beer supply" and I automatically thought 'apt-get install beer'
[05:12] <Dalkus> :\
[05:12] <maxchee> roo_: or the guy who appears a bit looney
[05:12] <roo_> maxchee, ok ok, i dont know who they are, and none of those people are me. spoil my fun :(
[05:12] <EvilIdler> xukun: Does it need to be 61.11?
[05:12] <xukun> EvilIdler, yes
[05:13] <xukun> EvilIdler, becouse the new version doesnt work with my card
[05:13] <EvilIdler> xukun: Which other versions have failed you? I've been having some problems with the latest drivers. Like bloody GL not working at all :)
[05:13] <EvilIdler> xukun: What card?
[05:14] <xukun> EvilIdler, nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go]  (rev a3)
[05:14] <xukun> EvilIdler, the 6629 and the 71xx. my screen breaks in two
[05:14] <EvilIdler> xukun: Different family from mine :/
[05:15] <whiskers> so far downloaded 227 files...still going
[05:15] <phoenixp3k> Hello, can someone tell me how to install GLib 2.0 or newer
[05:15] <EvilIdler> xukun: 66.29 didn't compile for me last time I tried, and 71xx just gives me 2D. I'll try to get 61.11
[05:15] <claint> how do i find out what my sound card is? it is an isa card and i want to find out the driver for alsa.
[05:15] <jjpmr52> s
[05:15] <roo_> phoenixp3k, are you building something from source that requires it?
[05:15] <phoenixp3k> roo_: updating Gaim
[05:15] <xukun> EvilIdler, if I do apt-cache search linux-headers then I get "linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 - Linux kernel headers 2.6.10 on 386
[05:15] <xukun> "
[05:16] <roo_> phoenixp3k, from source?
[05:16] <EvilIdler> xukun: Do an apt-get update and try installing that one
[05:16] <xukun> EvilIdler, uname -a gives me 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri Apr 1 16:41:33 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:16] <phoenixp3k> roo_: well... I didn't really not witch to dowload
[05:16] <EvilIdler> xukun: Just in case something locked up
[05:16] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, are you looking for the extension library?  If so you should be able to do an apt-get install libg++<IP_ADDRESS>-glibc2.2
[05:17] <xukun> EvilIdler, could it be that ubuntu used linux-headers and not kernel-headers?
[05:17] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, you can do an apt-cache search GLib to make sure which one to load for your purposes
[05:17] <EvilIdler> xukun: Just tried that. Seems kernel-headers are a different sort of package for ALL development, while linux-headers is for driver development, so get that
[05:18] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: thanks I'll try installing now
[05:18] <xukun> aha
[05:19] <Brik> ciao a tutti
[05:19] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, just do that apt-cache I said and be sure thats the one you need
[05:19] <xukun> EvilIdler, thanks, I will let you now if it works
[05:19] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: it says I don't have GLib 2.0
[05:20] <EvilIdler> xukun: If it does, it's worth trying the same here and perhaps get GLX working :)
[05:21] <xukun> EvilIdler, does the 6111 version suports xorg?
[05:21] <phoenixp3k> Is there a way to verify wich Glib version I'm running?
[05:21] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, Thats why you have to look at the apt-cache search Glib I told you about...there are multiples there to look at ... I dont know what your purposes are
[05:21] <EvilIdler> xukun: I have no idea. I think it's more the other way around, since X.Org is XFree86-compatible
[05:21] <xukun> hmm
[05:22] <jjpmr52> s
[05:22] <xukun> bbl
[05:22] <kkathman> phoenixp3k,  you may just need libglib2.0-0
[05:23] <jjpmr52> can someone tell me how to change the color of my text on XCHAT
[05:23] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: can I install one over an other, without version conflict or something
[05:23] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, libglib2.0-0 is the library of C routines, while the other one are the extensions
[05:24] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, as long as you use apt-get install, it will automatically check to see of you have the most recent and wont back install, I dont think
[05:24] <LadyRoot> jjpmr52, settings->preferences->interface->colors
[05:24] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, sounds like you are going to do some compiling
[05:24] <jjpmr52> thank you Lady
[05:25] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: Well I tryed apt-get install libglib2.0-0
[05:25] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, if so, you might need to install gcc also, I know it didnt come natively under warty, dont know about hoary
[05:25] <jjpmr52> s
[05:26] <kkathman> phoenixp3k,  so you tried sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-0 and what happened?
[05:26] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: Tell me, if I do apt-get update, and download everything, will I be upgrading to 5.04 ?
[05:26] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: It said I had the latest
[05:27] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, ok then you have the latest version of that libary.  To update hoary, best to do an apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:27] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, be sure your sources.list are in tact before that
[05:29] <phoenixp3k> kkathman, well I updated the sources.list according to ubuntuguide.org
[05:30] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, are you currently on hoary?
[05:31] <phoenixp3k> kkathman, Warty Warthog 4.10 I think
[05:32] <robsta> hi, i'd like to upgrade to the RC but apt wants to remove libgnome2-dev libgnomeui-dev libgnomevfs2-dev. Are the dev packages broken?
[05:32] <Seveas> phlaegel, in a shell type: cat /etc/issue
[05:32] <Seveas> just to be sure :)
[05:32] <Seveas> phoenixp3k i meant *
[05:33] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, Ah ok, you'll just need to go into your sources.list, and change references to warty and make them hoary, then do an apt-get update, then an apt-get dist-upgrade (I dont think you need to do an apt-get update in between)
[05:33] <PD> Hi there
[05:33] <PD> my konqueror is not connecting to the internet
[05:34] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: I'll try something, give me a sec.
[05:34] <PD> it always says can connect to the url
[05:34] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, I switched from Warty last week, but I just did a fresh install because I had a new box and wasnt that far along
[05:35] <whiskers> ok the 352 files came in and are installing now...so i am going to sign off and reboot
[05:36] <whiskers> theine, thanks...and we will see how it works
[05:39] <dmoyne> I have a pb when opening files with accentuated characters in their URL ; any idea on how to fix it ?
[05:40] <lok`> dmoyne, in command line ?
[05:41] <Amaranth> hurray for the version of gcc in hoary not matching the version used to compile the kernel!
[05:41] <dmoyne> lok, then I do collect a message like this : gimp:9526): Gimp-File-WARNING **: file-utils.c:272: cannot convert filename to UTF-8: Invalid byte sequence in conversion input
[05:41] <kkathman> Amaranth - thats a good thing?
[05:41] <Amaranth> kkathman: no, sarcasm escapes you. :P
[05:42] <kkathman> Amaranth, I was wondering - hard to read sarcasm in messages sometimes :)
[05:42] <xukun> EvilIdler, it doesnt
[05:42] <EvilIdler> xukun: Mbleh :(
[05:43] <kbrooks> Amaranth, ;)
[05:43] <EvilIdler> xukun: NVidia seems to be a problem under Ubuntu/Debian nowadays :/
[05:44] <xukun> EvilIdler, this is part of error I get: ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'.  This is most likely
[05:44] <xukun>        because the kernel module was built using the wrong kernel source files
[05:44] <lifesayko> Hi, I'm new at using linux, what is tee for?
[05:45] <EvilIdler> xukun: Yeah, had that a few times, too. I've given up for now, and am just using precompiled :/
[05:45] <EvilIdler> xukun: I blame X.org, dusty harddrives and sunspots
[05:46] <dmoyne> lok, of course I meant opening files with GIMLP
[05:46] <xukun> EvilIdler, too bad, now I have to use the nv module. (;
[05:47] <EvilIdler> xukun: I use the latest package in Hoary, but compositing will freeze X and there's no 3D. I need 3D for development :/
[05:47] <keyhack> I tried installing totem, and after running "totem", I get "** (totem:7011): WARNING **: No GConf default audio sink key and esdsink doesn't work", how can I fix this? (I did _not_ install Gnome  or KDE, but xfce)
[05:47] <AcidWolf> if i get the i386 w32codecs is it possible for me to be able to use it on PPC
[05:47] <keyhack> apparently installing the "totem" package was not enough
[05:47] <EvilIdler> AcidWolf: Nope
[05:47] <xukun> EvilIdler, did you try #nvidia?
[05:48] <AcidWolf> so basiclly if you run ubuntu PPC then you cant play win content then
[05:48] <WW> Hello, world.
[05:48] <EvilIdler> xukun: Only Google so far
[05:48] <AcidWolf> well thats comforting
[05:48] <andrewski> so evo doesn't cause Xorg to freeze for anyone?  i'm going to run and post a bug for that then.
[05:48] <deFrysk> keyhack try the alsasink in totem
[05:48] <EvilIdler> xukun: I'm suspecting the problem is more in Ubuntu's packages, as I had 71.67 working perfectly with XFree76 in Debian
[05:48] <EvilIdler> AcidWolf: I'm on AMD64, and have the same problem
[05:49] <WW> Quickie (maybe): I want to run two different instances of kile (in two different workspaces).  How can I run the command the second time so it doesn't open as a new tab in the first instance?
[05:49] <AcidWolf> i can play wma but i cant play .ASF which is mplayer9 encoding
[05:50] <deFrysk> WW, drag and drop the tab in another workspace ?
[05:50] <AcidWolf> gxine plays the movie but only the audio no picture comes up
[05:50] <EvilIdler> AcidWolf: Evil format. Eeevil.
[05:50] <xukun> EvilIdler, what about switching back to XFree?
[05:50] <EvilIdler> xukun: I tried that, and get the GLX problem. But at least compositing doesn't crash, since it doesn't exist :P
[05:50] <keyhack> deFrysk: What?
[05:50] <keyhack> deFrysk: totem won't even start
[05:50] <deFrysk> keyhack, using totem-xine ?
[05:51] <AcidWolf> EvilIdler i know :(
[05:51] <xukun> EvilIdler, good with that friend
[05:51] <keyhack> deFrysk: no, let me install it
[05:51] <WW> deFrysk: I don't see how to do that.  There is no way to grab a tab.
[05:52] <deFrysk> keyhack, totem-xine runs better then totem-gstreamer afaIk
[05:52] <lifesayko> Hi, I'm new at linux....is there a major difference between ubuntu and debian? namely, regarding the root user?
[05:52] <GNAM> ubuntu is THE newbie distro
[05:52] <deFrysk> GNAM, not only newby
[05:53] <EvilIdler> Anyone know where the transcode packages are supposed to be? I've updated the Hoary repository and Marillat's
[05:53] <GNAM> sure
[05:53] <phoenixp3k> not working...
[05:53] <GNAM> not only newby.
[05:53] <phoenixp3k> Anyone here has Gaim 1.2.0 ?
[05:53] <WW> Some apps have a "--new-window" option, but maybe those are just gnome apps.
[05:53] <EvilIdler> Newbies, lazy admins, people who can't sit around watching political bickering over what packages get into the distro..
[05:53] <lifesayko> @GNAM, yeah I figured, that's why I got it, cept' I'm trying to follow the course at linux.org, which is for Debian, and there are some things that don't seem to work
[05:53] <WW> Do kde apps have something similar?
[05:54] <deFrysk> WW, yes they are ugly
[05:54] <EvilIdler> lifesayko: The root user isn't possible to log in with directly at first, unless you set a root password
[05:54] <lifesayko> someone on the forum said that ubuntu doesn't use root, which totally baffled me....
[05:54] <lifesayko> oh
[05:54] <AcidWolf> will i be able to use this w32codecs-qt5-1.0-1.noarch RPM <---- and then make it into a .deb using alien
[05:54] <lok`> lifeless, passwd sudo and got root ?
[05:54] <EvilIdler> lifesayko: Your main login has sudo access, so you don't need root for small, simple tasks
[05:54] <lok`> :)
[05:54] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, w32codecs are in the marrilat repos
[05:54] <AcidWolf> not for PPC
[05:55] <deFrysk> oh yeah
[05:55] <lifesayko> ok
[05:55] <AcidWolf> and no its not in the marrilat repo
[05:55] <AcidWolf> not even the other arch's i checked
[05:55] <AcidWolf> multiple times
[05:55] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, if you try them use alien to create a .deb
[05:55] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, the rpm that is
[05:56] <AcidWolf> deFrysk is it possible
[05:56] <lok`> AcidWolf, which arch ?
[05:56] <EvilIdler> Win32 codecs are not multi-arch
[05:56] <AcidWolf> im on PPC
[05:56] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, I have no Idea but if you create a .deb of it its easyer to remove
[05:56] <WW> Anyone else have any ideas on how to get two instances of kile running?
[05:56] <xukun> EvilIdler, did you read this(look hoary part) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:56] <AcidWolf> well this is the name of the only package i could find w32codecs-qt5-1.0-1.noarch RPM
[05:56] <lok`> mplayer use a part of wine to use the w32 codec and so wine is only on i386
[05:56] <WW> Hi ogra.
[05:57] <ogra> hi WW
[05:57] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, fakeroot alien foo.rpm
[05:57] <lifesayko> for any other user aside from my main one, I don't have SUDO right?
[05:57] <AcidWolf> ok thanks deFrysk
[05:57] <CheeseBall> ? does anyone know of a hot-to on installing ubuntu on VMware
[05:57] <lok`> for amd64 we can handle w32 with hardware but with ppc you can't unless you can emulate i386 system
[05:57] <kbrooks> lifesayko, u dont, but u can set it up
[05:57] <lifesayko> oh ok, thx
[05:57] <kbrooks> lifesayko, EDITOR=gedit visudo
[05:57] <EvilIdler> xukun: Read that, tried it, and I'm anxiously awaiting "I suck at installing NVidia drivers" t-shirts
[05:58] <lok`> lifesayko, use sudo passwd and make a password for the root
[05:58] <kbrooks> lifesayko, there are a few lines at the end
[05:58] <lifesayko> yup
[05:58] <kbrooks> create a new line
[05:58] <kbrooks> change the user column
[05:58] <EvilIdler> Wine doesn't work on AMD64 yet, and noone has done anything crazy like making a Bochs library for PPC..
[05:59] <lok`> EvilIdler, amd64 doesn't really need wine for use a 32bit software
[05:59] <Bazzi> is wine64 in development?
[05:59] <EvilIdler> lok`: But you can't get Win32 codecs to work ;)
[06:00] <lok`> EvilIdler, ah ? mine works weird :)
[06:00] <EvilIdler> lok`: If you do know a way, I want to know :)
[06:00] <kbrooks> lifesayko, giving a example..ho
[06:00] <lifesayko> kbrooks, HOW!???, last two things are user privs and added installer
[06:00] <lifesayko> k, thanks
[06:00] <EvilIdler> lok`: By running a 32-bit program, right?
[06:00] <lok`> EvilIdler, the better way on an amd64 is to make a choot 32bits
[06:00] <EvilIdler> lok`: I know. But I feel dirty doing that.
[06:00] <lok`> and relink in the 64 sys the 32bits library
[06:01] <EvilIdler> lok`: I've only got a basic chroot to make some games work.
[06:01] <kbrooks> ?	ALL=(ALL) ALL
[06:01] <lifesayko> yes
[06:01] <kbrooks> and sudo visudo, sorry
[06:01] <kbrooks> fill in the ?
[06:01] <lok`> EvilIdler, yeah it's 300Mo for w32codec I know but you can also compile OOo 2 or differant software that doesn't works in 64 yet
[06:01] <EvilIdler> lok`: I want to keep my system as pure as possible :)
[06:02] <lifesayko> no, there is no ?, just the ALL=(ALL) ALL
[06:02] <EvilIdler> lok`: I only need codecs that I actually use, anyway
[06:02] <kbrooks> lifesayko, THAT WAS A EXAMPLE
[06:02] <lok`> EvilIdler, your system keep is status is only ONE progs that use your chroot lib without the chroot
[06:02] <lifesayko> oh sorry
[06:03] <lifesayko> yup, that's all there
[06:03] <kbrooks> fill in the ?.
[06:03] <kbrooks> save, and quit
[06:03] <lok`> EvilIdler, on your chroot you can also add a firefoy with flash and mplayerplug-in
[06:04] <EvilIdler> lok`: Yeah, I know. I have two computers, though, so I'm OK for now :)
[06:04] <lok`> EvilIdler, do you know something about a wine64 ?
[06:05] <EvilIdler> Ack. The Marillat repository for AMD64 is only one file now, meaning I have to build :/
[06:05] <EvilIdler> lok`: I've googled till my fingers went numb, and all I could find was "Not yet, if ever"
[06:05] <lifesayko> kbrooks, how do I create a new line? that's what I meant I couldn't get the ? out
[06:05] <lok`> damn
[06:05] <lifesayko> sorry for all the trouble >_<
[06:05] <cavediver> How can I boot my linux system on /dev/hda2 direct from cd without a boot manager.
[06:06] <EvilIdler> lok`: Wine and Valgrind are the two programs I'd use which are x86 only :/
[06:06] <kbrooks> lifesayko, press enter
[06:06] <WW> Arghh... this is annoying. Don't developers use multiple workspaces?
[06:06] <lok`> I wait win64 only for that f****** wmv and flash player
[06:07] <EvilIdler> lok`: Oh, yeah. Flash would be neat. Looks like they don't care until WinXP 64 is commonplace
[06:07] <shadie> EvilIdler, I'm in the same boat, and must say the mmedia codec issue on PPC is the only gripe I have
[06:08] <lifesayko> how do I save and quit??
[06:08] <lok`> shadie, does the ppc arch witch mac os X or linux can read a wma video ?
[06:08] <lok`> -a +v
[06:08] <EvilIdler> shadie: There is an opensource attempt at Flash that sorta works for some files
[06:09] <shadie> OSX can, also missing some codecs for mov
[06:09] <lok`> but gpl-flash freeze firefox anytime he must read a flash pub (but flash site runs it's a bit strange)
[06:11] <shadie> not much intersted in flash, just miss WM and some mov files
[06:11] <smelm0> hi all. I have an install problem that needs hekp
[06:11] <Gavrila> is this channel good for kubuntu also?
[06:12] <Gavrila> I mean is kubuntu in topic here?
[06:12] <deFrysk> Gavrila, there is also #kubuntu
[06:13] <smelm0> I've tried live warty thru live hoary plus the regular versions and only in the warty live does the display work. any ideas
[06:13] <UbuntuTest> A quick X11 or Theme question ... using hoary rc live, is the "shadow" on the bottom task bar (like a chord cut from the top of a circle) deliberate?
[06:13] <Gavrila>  /j #kubuntu
[06:16] <xukun> EvilIdler, apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:16] <xukun>  and sudo nvidia-glx-config enable will do yes?
[06:16] <MoreLikeAlfie> hi
[06:16] <EvilIdler> All nvidia-glx-config does is to change the driver from nv to nvidia. You will also need linux-restricted-modules, which it'll grab
[06:18] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone ever have troubles with Noatun?  I need a better multiple format media player...
[06:18] <UbuntuTest> Anyone using hoary live CD?
[06:18] <smelm0> I find it strange than the display works in wart live and in no other version. how can that be?
[06:19] <xukun> EvilIdler, so also apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386?
[06:19] <MoreLikeAlfie> My wifi setup was great with my default install of hoary 5.04, but since I have a P4 with HT i updated to the SMP kernel. It's now lost my networking, but I can still boot into the regular kernel and wifi is fine. How do I force a full reconfig/detection of my networking hardware. Hardware doen't show up in the gnome networking applet.
[06:19] <EvilIdler> xukun: I think installing nvidia-glx will also download that
[06:19] <xukun> EvilIdler, so what else to I need to install, becouse it does not work
[06:20] <EvilIdler> xukun: What's happening when you apt-get those?
[06:21] <smelm0> I haven't tried yet but I recall being asked for root permission which I don't have since it wasn't set up yet. Is there a generic one
[06:22] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know of a good media player?
[06:22] <andrewski> SeeleyUSMC: xfmedia
[06:22] <shadie> VLC works good for me on PPC
[06:23] <xukun> EvilIdler, nothing,  it just installs. but I only apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:23] <lifesayko> hi, I just used pico to put an alias in .bashrc,  cal='cal-m' and saved it, but then it didn't work, when I use cal, it still comes out as cal and not cal-m, can anyone tell me why?
[06:24] <andrewski> SeeleyUSMC: mpd for music. :)
[06:24] <EvilIdler> xukun: Get the restricted modules, modprobe nvidia
[06:25] <xukun> EvilIdler, dpkg -s linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[06:25] <xukun> Package: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[06:25] <xukun> Status: install ok installed
[06:26] <EvilIdler> xukun: lsmod | grep nv
[06:26] <shadie> my panel volume control does nothing, sound works anyone any idea
[06:26] <xukun> EvilIdler, no, nothing
[06:27] <EvilIdler> xukun: dmesg?
[06:27] <andrewski> UbuntuTest: nope. :)
[06:27] <EvilIdler> xukun: Try "modprobe nvidia" and dmesg after
[06:27] <UbuntuTest> andrewski: thanks, you running hoary?
[06:28] <andrewski> yup
[06:28] <UbuntuTest> andrewski: quick Q, is there meant to be a "semi transparent circular shadow" on the bottom of the screen?
[06:28] <xukun> EvilIdler, sudo modprobe nvidia
[06:28] <xukun> Password:
[06:28] <xukun> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/video/nv idia.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[06:29] <jpman> I'm trying to install hoary, but the installer seems to lock up att "Configuring apt..."->"Setting up primary installation repository". Is this a known problem?
[06:29] <xukun> EvilIdler, dmesg |grep nv
[06:29] <xukun> nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[06:29] <xukun> nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE
[06:29] <EvilIdler> xukun: Ah. You could try looking for an updated kernel, then :/
[06:29] <xukun> EvilIdler, what?
[06:30] <EvilIdler> xukun: 2.6.11
[06:30] <soulposition> hello all, i'm looking to see if anyone knows why i can only run certain apps from terminal and not from a launcher?
[06:31] <xukun> EvilIdler, are you saying the 71xx driver will not work with 26.10.x kernels?
[06:31] <SeeleyUSMC> what about video?  Noatun doesn't work like it should
[06:32] <EvilIdler> xukun: That's also an issue, yes, but I think the kernel-headers didn't match like they should with the running kernel
[06:32] <andrewski> SeeleyUSMC: xfmedia :D
[06:32] <xukun> EvilIdler, this is all very strange
[06:33] <EvilIdler> xukun: I've had a headache for three days because of my card :/
[06:33] <lifesayko> in ubuntu, do you not need to put an - in front of attributes? such as ps -u?
[06:33] <EvilIdler> lifesayko: No, oldtimer :)
[06:34] <keyhack> How can I get ubuntu to discover my webcam (via USB)?
[06:34] <xukun> bbl
[06:34] <xukun> EvilIdler, thanks again
[06:34] <lifesayko> EvilIdler, thx. ^_^ I'm not an oldetimer, I'm waaay new noob hehe.  following an old tutorial...^_^
[06:35] <EvilIdler> lifesayko: I think some commands still tell you this is old-fashioned behaviour if you add the - , but they'll do the right thing :)
[06:35] <keyhack> anyone?
[06:36] <icarus> does anyone know which driver to use with the Lexmark X5150
[06:36] <EvilIdler> icarus: I'd suggest a steamroller, but I'm biased
[06:36] <icarus> keyhack, connect the cam and check the output of lsusb
[06:36] <keyhack> icarus: nothing shows up but my mouse
[06:36] <icarus> EvilIdler, i was thinking the same thing but it was free....
[06:37] <UbuntuTest> lifesayko: I think some arguments behave differently with or without the '-', eg. ps f and ps -f
[06:37] <EvilIdler> icarus: I have five free Lexmarks - not one works in Linux :/
[06:37] <lifesayko> evilIdler: yup they work, but they kept saying things like "bad syntax, perhaps bogus '-' "
[06:37] <yogui> Hi !!!
[06:37] <lifesayko> evilIdler: I just got kinda puzzled over the "bogus" rofl
[06:37] <yogui> Why, when i listen a web radio i have an error with the flux ?
[06:37] <icarus> EvilIdler, guess that's why they're free
[06:38] <EvilIdler> icarus: One of the free printers was broken, so Lexmark sent a new one, and refused to accept returns. Big hint right there ;)
[06:38] <keyhack> icarus: I have gotten this cam to work under other OS's in the past, just installed a server edition of Ubuntu, then xfce4 and X, so I may be missing some of the auto-install hardware packages that usually come with the standard install of Ubuntu
[06:38] <icarus> keyhack, what kind of cam?
[06:38] <keyhack> icarus: Creative Webcam Go III I think
[06:38] <EvilIdler> keyhack: W996xx cam
[06:38] <keyhack> icarus: I tried installing discover, didn't make a difference
[06:39] <keyhack> EvilIdler: what do I do with that?
[06:39] <EvilIdler> keyhack: I've got one like it, if I can find the box it's in :)
[06:39] <keyhack> yeah, but how do I get linux to recognize it
[06:39] <keyhack> the green light on the outside isnt lit
[06:39] <keyhack> so its not active
[06:39] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Check if there is a w9967f.ko or something module in the module directory and modprobe it
[06:40] <AcidWolf> this is so depressing lol
[06:40] <keyhack> EvilIdler: where is the module directory again?
[06:40] <EvilIdler> keyhack: /lib/modules/
[06:41] <EvilIdler> keyhack: uname -a to get your full kernel name
[06:41] <keyhack> ok, under kernel, where is it?
[06:41] <EvilIdler> keyhack: The driver should be w9968cf, under USB
[06:41] <keyhack> I see it
[06:42] <yogui> i've just installed ubuntu and i've a message "GRUB" on start,
[06:42] <keyhack> mbjones@ubuntu:/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/usb/media/w9968cf.ko
[06:42] <EvilIdler> keyhack: modprobe w9968cf
[06:42] <yogui> no more
[06:42] <keyhack> EvilIdler: done, no errors, no green light
[06:42] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Now I guess you need a program to view it. TVtime or something is good for just testing
[06:43] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Yeah, the light on mine is no indicator of its status :/
[06:43] <EvilIdler> keyhack: It was hell setting it up at first, and now I can't find the darn cam :P
[06:43] <keyhack> EvilIdler: well, what program should I use to capture images/videos anyways?
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> how does kde on ubuntu belive and use my sudoers and on other distros it doesnt ?
[06:43] <jimbojones> i
[06:43] <zzyber> does someone use a sigma realmagic pci card? I cant get it to work
[06:43] <jimbojones> hi*
[06:43] <EvilIdler> keyhack: For video, I've used mencoder
[06:44] <jimbojones> is it possible to do a network install of ubuntu?
[06:44] <yogui> i need help
[06:44] <EvilIdler> keyhack: There's some info in the MPlayer docs for it
[06:44] <keyhack> EvilIdler: so that'll display the webcam and show video?
[06:44] <EvilIdler> keyhack: You can also apt-get a program simply called "webcam", which can grab stills
[06:44] <jimbojones> can i do an install of hoary off the internet? bascially i just want a small cd/floppy to boot off then type a mirror address in?
[06:44] <mdma> anyone know any good repositories for ubuntu?
[06:45] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Yeah, MPlayer can play from the camera, and MEncoder can encode to a file
[06:45] <zapada> ok, I have dialup, and I got the linuxant drivers for my winmodem, and I setup the pppconfig thing, and then when I connect, I hear it connect all fine, but then it just disconects after about 35 seconds... do you think my ISP is disallowing my connection for some reason?
[06:45] <keyhack> EvilIdler: webcam doesnt find anything
[06:45] <EvilIdler> keyhack: I think TVtime also has recording, but apt-cache search webcam for some info
[06:45] <keyhack> EvilIdler: I need to install video4linux i think
[06:45] <EvilIdler> keyhack: lsmod | grep v4l
[06:46] <yogui> WHy, when i install ubuntu and i restart my computer, i have just grub writtr on screen ?
[06:46] <keyhack> EvilIdler: nothing
[06:46] <jimbojones> so is it possible or not to do network installs of ubuntu?? someone please tell me!
[06:46] <EvilIdler> keyhack: OK, then you need someone with a working camera to help ;)
[06:46] <keyhack> :-\
[06:47] <AcidWolf> woah w32codecs is like 11.6 meg
[06:47] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Small apartment, everything stacked vertically. Not easy to find a camera you don't use all that often :P
[06:47] <keyhack> EvilIdler: it's my fault for doing a server install I suppose, but I dont want my laptop full of KDE and Gnome shit either
[06:47] <whiskers> well neither graveman nor nautilus-cd works with dvd....says i do not have write permissions for /media/cdrom0
[06:47] <AcidWolf> http://downloads-guiadohardware.net/w32codecs.deb <---- found this im just hoping its open and not arch dependent cause it doesnt seem to specify
[06:48] <Zugot> keyhack, why not?   my laptop runs gnome and kde exceptionally well
[06:48] <EvilIdler> keyhack: I tend to do a serverinstall, apt-get install anjuta, and I have the basic libraries for Gnome, Kopete for the basic KDE, gdm for login and XFCE :)
[06:48] <whiskers> that is why i think i may need 2.6.7
[06:48] <Xeon3D> that package is for i386 AcidWolf
[06:48] <keyhack> Zugot: because I dont  like them, I like xfce.
[06:48] <AcidWolf> sigh
[06:48] <Zugot> why do people who like xfce seem to really bag on kde and gnome?   i've never understood that
[06:48] <keyhack> EvilIdler: right, but i think some of the easier hardware plugin stuff didn't get installed
[06:49] <^thehatsrule^> Zugot, its really lite...
[06:49] <keyhack> EvilIdler: it should be just as easy as plugging my webcam into USB to get it working
[06:49] <EvilIdler> Zugot: I like XFCE, but sometimes keep KDE/Gnome around for testing on
[06:49] <keyhack> Zugot: did I say Gnome or KDE sucked? no, I dont want them taking up space when I'm never going to use it.
[06:49] <^thehatsrule^> i use fluxbox, but keep gnome and xfce
[06:49] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Could be - this install I did now detected my TV card just fine
[06:49] <AcidWolf> so basiclly there is no way for me to play .ASF files unless i build the codecs myself
[06:49] <lok`> Gnome or KDE suxxx
[06:49] <lok`> oups sorry :p
[06:49] <^thehatsrule^> haha
[06:49] <Zugot> i switch from flux to gnome to kde to xfce depending on the mood
[06:49] <keyhack> EvilIdler: TV card is not USB
[06:49] <Zugot> and i like kde...  programming for it is nice
[06:50] <^thehatsrule^> AcidWolf, could you not convert it?
[06:50] <AcidWolf> not if its an i386
[06:50] <ajross> anybody know how to add a session to gdm (i want to add XFCE to GDM greeter)
[06:50] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Yeah, that's the problem. v4l is needed for the transfer of data on some cams, but they don't have it as a dependency
[06:50] <keyhack> right, how do I install v4l?
[06:50] <AcidWolf> you mean port it , for that you need source code
[06:51] <EvilIdler> keyhack: All I can do is toss a URL at you now :/
[06:51] <keyhack> EvilIdler: btw, I used to use ov511 as my webcam driver, not the one you mentioned
[06:51] <AcidWolf> ok is there anyway to get it to work using Wine
[06:51] <^thehatsrule^> nah, i mean like on another windows machine, convert all the asf's to like avi's
[06:51] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Yeah, this camera has had three opensource drivers
[06:51] <Zugot> anyone here have a laptop with an nvidia chip and are trying to run it at 1280x800?
[06:51] <EvilIdler> keyhack: One used the colour manipulation from ov511. Now it has its own driver
[06:52] <AcidWolf> ok well then what would i need to convert my ASF's to Avi or mpegs
[06:52] <keyhack> EvilIdler: ok.
[06:52] <AcidWolf> this would bring an end to the 2 month Search mission of mine
[06:52] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[06:52] <^thehatsrule^> i do it on windows... hehe
[06:53] <keyhack> EvilIdler: anyways, how the heck do I get v4l installed? I thought it was part of the kernel
[06:53] <EvilIdler> AcidWolf: How important are those ASFs?
[06:53] <EvilIdler> keyhack: It should be a kernel module
[06:53] <AcidWolf> very important
[06:53] <EvilIdler> keyhack: modprobe v4l2_common
[06:53] <EvilIdler> AcidWolf: Not your pr0n collection, then?
[06:53] <lok`> AcidWolf, to convert you must decode in the first step and if your file isn't readable by your system you can't do it
[06:53] <AcidWolf> home video's of travel to visit family and such
[06:53] <keyhack> EvilIdler: no error
[06:54] <EvilIdler> AcidWolf: Do you have access to any windows computers?
[06:54] <keyhack> EvilIdler: ok, webcam still complains
[06:54] <AcidWolf> yes i do
[06:54] <^thehatsrule^> AcidWolf, ive got it! emulate windows media player and codecs!!!
[06:54] <lok`> yeah add mplayer with w32 in your chroot it's all :p
[06:54] <AcidWolf> ^thehatsrule^ ok sounds good what would it require
[06:54] <^thehatsrule^> wine :)
[06:54] <^thehatsrule^> or winex
[06:55] <lok`> AcidWolf, you're in x86_64 or ppc ?
[06:55] <AcidWolf> ok anyone ever got that working cause im on warty and Mplayer doesnt seem to like warty much
[06:55] <lok`> or else ?
[06:55] <AcidWolf> PPC
[06:55] <^thehatsrule^> get the mpc - thats the 6.4 version modified to use all new codecs
[06:55] <^thehatsrule^> AcidWolf, doom9.org
[06:55] <^thehatsrule^> then download a codec pack or the like..
[06:55] <AcidWolf> from doom9
[06:57] <^thehatsrule^> yea
[06:57] <^thehatsrule^> then just wine both :)
[06:57] <sjhill> whoa crap, there are a bunch of people here
[06:58] <^thehatsrule^> yes there is :)
[06:58] <sjhill> n00b question: on debian.org i can search packages and see the versions, why is there nothing like that for ubuntu?
[06:58] <sjhill> i'm not finding it anyway
[06:59] <AcidWolf> ^thehatsrule^ im having a bit of a problem finding a codec pack on Doom9 any chance you might be able to help :)
[06:59] <^thehatsrule^> hm actually, maybe mpc can run asf's natively
[06:59] <yogui_> i need help about ubuntu install
[06:59] <thuisfred> sjhill, there isn't yet, AFAIK, not really a why, I think, just that nobody has found the time yet, I guess
[06:59] <^thehatsrule^> its worth a try... maybe thats why you cant find the asf codec heh
[07:00] <georges> hi
[07:00] <AcidWolf> oh
[07:00] <^thehatsrule^> ALSO, asf is copywrited from Microsoft i believe
[07:00] <georges> anyone using ubuntu to do video editing?
[07:00] <^thehatsrule^> thats why you'll prolly never get one for linux
[07:01] <AcidWolf> :(
[07:01] <sjhill> thuisfred: i just need to know quickly what version of glibc is being used for HoaryHedgehog...any chance you can check it for me?
[07:01] <EvilIdler> DivX ;-) was based on copyrighted code, reverse-engineered into Xvid, and Xvid is royalty-free because of the clean way they did it
[07:01] <zapada> help me
[07:01] <^thehatsrule^> AcidWolf, i even know on windows, the tool i used to use to edit asf's was takes out, because of microsoft
[07:02] <AcidWolf> hmmmmmmmm
[07:02] <AcidWolf> ok so at this point what would you say is my best bet
[07:02] <mdma> anyone know how i can install mplayer?
[07:02] <thuisfred> sjhill, I'm running hoary now, I'll give it a lookup, brbr
[07:02] <georges> mdma: yes.
[07:02] <mdma> how?
[07:02] <georges> on hoary
[07:02] <mdma> hoary?
[07:02] <georges> mdma: hoary add some sources
[07:02] <mdma> what is the repository for hoary
[07:03] <whiskers> is there a way to manually change the permissions on the dvd burner device
[07:03] <georges> mdma: best you search the wicki on ubuntulinux.org
[07:03] <AcidWolf> well it depends mdma what version are you running cause if you are on warty and you install hoary Mplayer your system can break unless you know what your doing
[07:03] <georges> mdma: inf general upgrade goes like this: go into synaptic and replace warty by hoary
[07:04] <georges> well I just upgraded to hoary to get mplayer :-)
[07:04] <mdma> just replace where it says warty with hoary?
[07:04] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about the ppc version of ubuntu?
[07:04] <georges> read the wiki, it's very well explained
[07:04] <lok`> georges well I just upgraded to hoary to get mplayer :-) << compile it would be faster
[07:05] <black_Nightmare> or I guess not really right now? :p
[07:05] <thuisfred> sjhill: do you know the apt command to check that in one go? Really sorry, but I'm not really a linux wiz yet ;)
[07:05] <georges> lok`: hmm but not as easy. I did it for a friend.
[07:05] <sjhill> thuisfred: just do dpkg -l | grep libc
[07:05] <thuisfred>  libc6          2.3.2.ds1-20ub
[07:05] <thuisfred> that enough?
[07:06] <georges> anyone doing videoediting? I'm looking for a program. nothing in repositories
[07:06] <sjhill> thuisfred: yep, thx
[07:06] <thuisfred> sjhill, np ;)
[07:06] <lok`> georges, yeah apt is very easy but mplayer isn't a troublesome progs to compile
[07:06] <georges> ok, I found kino (only DV) and kdenlive (can't read mpeg) so I'm a bit stuck
[07:07] <zapada> how do I get my 56k to work?
[07:07] <zapada> I followed the how-to guide
[07:07] <zapada> but when it connects, it doesn't want to connec t:\
[07:07] <paolo> Hi guys! I have two ubuntu pc in a lan, and the first has a working printer. I'm in trouble using the printer from the other ubuntu pc. I could install the net printer on the second pc, but I can't print a test page: apparently the cups server of the first pc doesn't communicate with the second pc. Any hint?
[07:08] <whiskers> what is the root password on the hoary preview
[07:08] <^thehatsrule^> its your username's password...
[07:09] <whiskers> it doesn't work....i can log in as user but not as root
[07:09] <^thehatsrule^> root account is disabled by default, just use sudo blah, with your own password
[07:09] <whiskers> well i can't figure out how to sudo to change the permissions on the dvd burner device
[07:10] <kbrooks> ^thehatsrule^, you do know he can passwd root?
[07:10] <^thehatsrule^> ah, never tried
[07:10] <universal> does someone know about the gdesklets starter bar?
[07:10] <Ktaz> http://www.resellerads.com
[07:10] <kbrooks> a disabled account is one with no password
[07:10] <kbrooks> root has no pass, therefore you cant login
[07:11] <andrewski> anyone know how to install (and track with apt) a local package?
[07:11] <kbrooks> root is disabled in /etc/{passwd,shadow}
[07:11] <yogui_> helllo, i've a problem on reboot after install
[07:11] <andrewski> is there something like an 'overlay'?
[07:11] <yogui_> GRUB
[07:11] <whiskers> well it is beyond me...is there a way to install kernel 2.6.7 and see if the problem goes away
[07:11] <universal> grub
[07:12] <kbrooks> a pkg overlay, people!
[07:12] <kbrooks> whiskers, sudo passwd
[07:12] <universal> does someone use the deskelts starterbar?
[07:12] <keyhack> how do I get my web cam recognized in Ubuntu? (did a server install)
[07:12] <andrewski> kbrooks: well, i don't know the ubuntu terminology for it. :P
[07:12] <libben> if i wanna remove the Gnome bittorrent program, i just remove gnome btdownload and it's dep
[07:13] <georges> keyhack: which webcam?
[07:13] <keyhack> Creative Webcam Go III
[07:13] <keyhack> (OV511+ was the driver I used in Debian)
[07:13] <keyhack> Someone mentioned using w9968cf
[07:13] <keyhack> but regardless, it's not finding it, the green light isnt on
[07:13] <keyhack> nothing is found during bootup
[07:13] <keyhack> in Debian it always found and echoed OV511+ stuff
[07:14] <Zugot> what is the easiest way under ubuntu to import custom fonts?
[07:14] <yogui_> how repair GrUB ???
[07:14] <georges> keyhack: can't help
[07:14] <casimir> if I've compiled ext fs support into my kernel, is there any reason why it wouldn't mount on boot?
[07:14] <EvilIdler> Aren't there restricted modules for kernel 2.6.11 precompiled?
[07:15] <yogui_> my computer don't launch anything after install
[07:15] <kbrooks> andrewski, i have no idea if there is a way
[07:16] <kbrooks> andrewski, poke #debian
[07:16] <andrewski> kbrooks: ok, thanks.
[07:16] <casimir> I know that the root fs needs to be compiled in and I selected that to be linked in
[07:16] <yogui_> please i need help ...
[07:17] <casimir> but I'm getting a VFS panic similar to if it was built as a module
[07:17] <Myrtti> hmmm
[07:17] <DarthFrog> yogui_: What is the problem with grub?
[07:17] <Myrtti> oh, I forgot
[07:17] <Myrtti> I'm not on Mozillanet and this is not #firefox
[07:17] <Myrtti> thanks DarthFrog
[07:18] <Myrtti> that question about grub made me see the light
[07:18] <yogui_> DarthFrog : thank you : when i reboot after install i have just grub written
[07:18] <yogui_> DarthFrog :and the computer don't strat more
[07:18] <DarthFrog> Myrtti: You're welcome.   I'm not sure I know what I did to deserve your gratitude, but you're welcome. :-)
[07:19] <DarthFrog> yogui_: Be more specific.  What *exactly* happens?
[07:19] <roger> msg Nickserv IDENTIFY
[07:19] <yogui_> DarthFrog  : the computer start, it tried to boot on cdrom but no cd rom into and wrtie GRUB that's all
[07:20] <DarthFrog> yogui_: You see a "grub>" prompt on the screen?
[07:20] <Myrtti> DarthFrog: I realized that I'm not on #firefox when I noticed that you were talking about grub... grub is hardly an issue to be discussed there
[07:20] <whiteknight> roger, hehe you missed the / when trying to Identify
[07:20] <yogui_> DarthFrog : no, i can't write
[07:20] <yogui_> DarthFrog : i can't make anything
[07:21] <DarthFrog> yogui_: I'm not understanding you, sorry.  Is this a new installation of Ubuntu?
[07:21] <yogui_> DarthFrog  :yes
[07:21] <DarthFrog> yogui_: What else is installed upon the machine?
[07:21] <yogui_> DarthFrog : when i have finished it, i restart without my cdrom
[07:22] <yogui_> DarthFrog : nothing
[07:22] <yogui_> DarthFrog : just ubuntu
[07:22] <DarthFrog> yogui_: No data that needs protection?
[07:22] <yogui_> DarthFrog  : no the disc was formated
[07:22] <DarthFrog> yogui_: Has this machine run linux before?
[07:23] <yogui_> DarthFrog  : yes
[07:23] <libben> anyone knows why my 1400x1050 resolution is gone and replaced by alots of other resses like 1280x1024 down to 800x600 and lower even =) ... i had the 1400x1050 resolution before i did the huge upgrade of 300+ packages
[07:23] <roger> I am a newbie to ubuntu. Trying to install open office.
[07:23] <yogui_> DarthFrog  :mandrake 9.0
[07:23] <DarthFrog> yogui_: I would suggest that you take the easy way out and simply re-install Ubuntu as a first step.
[07:23] <libben> I have checked my xorg.conf file... and it stills only contains my 1400x1050 res...
[07:24] <libben> on all depth's
[07:24] <yogui_> DarthFrog : make a total re install ?
[07:24] <libben> so i dont understand why i all suddenly see alots of new resolutions and why my res is not in there
[07:24] <libben> anyone?
[07:24] <roger> Anyone know where I can get a how to manual?
[07:24] <DarthFrog> yogui_: Yes.  And make sure that BIOS protection of the boot sector is turned off first.
[07:24] <yogui_> yes i'm sure of this
[07:25] <yogui_> DarthFrog  : i reinstall
[07:25] <yogui_> DarthFrog : thank you
[07:25] <^thehatsrule^> roger, you mean 'man'
[07:25] <yogui_> ;-)
[07:25] <DarthFrog> yogui_: Good luck, and you're welcome.
[07:26] <libben> I bump my Question! 10 lines up
[07:26] <beowuff> When downloading something from Firefox to my desktop, it doesn't show up on my desktop until I restart X. Anybody else having this problem?
[07:28] <NumPy> beowulf: might be a dumb question but...have you tried the refresh option, after the file is downloaded?
[07:28] <kerframil> beowuff: hoary?
[07:29] <beowuff> NumPy, It doesn't show up in nautalus or on the desktop, but does in an xterm. Tried refresh.
[07:29] <kerframil> beowuff: sounds like a gamin bug which still hasn't been fixed ... update your kernel/packages and try again, otherwise you're going to have to press Ctrl+R until they get it fixed
[07:29] <beowuff> kerframil, yes, hoary.
[07:29] <kerframil> that bug has been evident for ages ...
[07:29] <kerframil> very annoying
[07:29] <beowuff> kerframil, just started affecting me last weekend... :-(
[07:29] <libben> stop downloading to desktop =)
[07:29] <kerframil> it's affected me from the first moment I've used hoary
[07:30] <kerframil> but I'm not affected at present
[07:30] <beowuff> kerframil, maybe that's just the first time I noticed it...
[07:30] <kerframil> that might be because it's been fixed recently, or because I use a custom kernel ... either way, I suggest you make sure that you're fully up-to-date
[07:30] <beowuff> libben, yeah, I usually download to a folder, but I needed some pictures and it was just quicker at the time. (at least, I thought it would be :-))
[07:31] <beowuff> kerframil, I usually update everyday, but I just noticed some more to download. Will update and try again.
[07:31] <kerframil> beowuff: good plan - if it still doesn't work then ... well I presume that it's something to do with the kernel (inotify patch is required kernel-side, and sane gnome-vfs integration of gamin is required user-space side)
[07:32] <kerframil> I use a custom -ck kernel patched with inotify (a newer version than the ubuntu kernel uses, I believe)
[07:32] <Myrtti> Mr-Petah: I have no idea what those are about, so would you mind...?
[07:32] <beowuff> kerframil, If the updates don't work, I'll try loading those. Thanks for you help.
[07:32] <Myrtti> english channel, after all
[07:33] <Myrtti> though I'm sure that information didn't contain anything that I really needed to know
[07:34] <neighborlee> I just booted into linux this am..using RC for hoary..everything was fine till this am where I'm getting: crc error: -system halted..is there a fix for this and is anyone else seeing it and whats causing it ?
[07:34] <osity> hey what would prevent me from accessing the internet on my ubuntu box with fresh install?
[07:35] <libben> osity, checked network configuration?
[07:35] <whiskers> ok i did manage to get nautilus to work with the dvd burner but still not graveman
[07:35] <osity> libben: what am i checking for
[07:35] <Myrtti> bad NIC
[07:35] <Myrtti> I had a Realtek NIC that had to be changed to 3COM NIC before I got network working
[07:35] <osity> i can ping back and forth from the ubuntu box....but cant ping wan ...only lan
[07:36] <libben> well, first... point the nic that has internet to active =) and if its dhcp... it should be dhcp... if its a static ip.. it should be static
[07:36] <osity> it's a via nic
[07:36] <libben> osity, then u have wrong nic enabled for internet
[07:36] <kerframil> osity: what are you using, some sort of DHCP-enabled DSL router device?
[07:36] <whiskers> the sudo worked to establish root....but gnome doesn't allow a root session...so i used a virtual terminal and managed to get nautilus working for burning files on dvd but still not graveman
[07:36] <libben> osity, change the Default gateway service
[07:36] <libben> that is in there
[07:37] <libben> to the one that has the internet and not the lan.
[07:37] <osity> maybe i need to set the gateway... :)
[07:37] <osity> gateway = router right?
[07:37] <kbrooks> hm
[07:37] <kerframil> osity: because if you are, then it should have set a default route (gateway)
[07:37] <kerframil> osity: route -n
[07:37] <kerframil> osity: if you don't see (<IP_ADDRESS>) as a destination then it wasn't set
[07:38] <osity> let me check the gateway
[07:38] <whiskers> maybe i will try gnome baker
[07:40] <kerframil> whiskers: running cdrecord as root is supposed to be a no-no these days, but if you must then you could just: chmod +s /usr/bin/cdrecord
[07:40] <Mithsir> Hello! What do I have to do to recieve bluetooth file transfers with ubuntu?
[07:40] <kerframil> whiskers: sudo of course
[07:42] <roger> Ubuntu looks alien to me. Is their a version of linux that is easier to learn to use?
[07:42] <libben> roger, lol =)
[07:42] <osity> ya ....silly me , i forgot to set the gateway!
[07:42] <osity> thanks guys
[07:42] <libben> they all are alien if u think so =)
[07:42] <libben> np osity
[07:42] <kerframil> osity: if your router supports DHCP you shouldn't have to but good news, anyway
[07:42] <osity> now to install the packages...
[07:42] <osity> I am using static...
[07:43] <kerframil> ah, that'd explain it then
[07:43] <casimir> yeah roger they all have a learning curve... ubuntu is one of the easiest that I've used
[07:43] <Cspnico> What is your record to gnome tetris?
[07:44] <Cspnico> me it is 50 887 point
[07:44] <roger> I just need some docs to explain what the various nomenclature means
[07:45] <kapar> hello
[07:45] <kapar> ?
[07:45] <Dr_Aevil> hello :)
[07:45] <roger> I have been trying to get open office to work .
[07:46] <casimir> roger, that's not difficult, what terms/concepts need clarification?
[07:46] <roger> how to install apps
[07:46] <neighborlee> roger: there aren't much easier to use but they  do of course exist ( although your going to run into other issues with them not in ubuntu) and might include: mandrake, suse ( no longer free), fedora core 3 ( stable ?), mepis ( apt repos. can be flakey and much smaller community), linspire ( not free and flakey apt repository), xandros ( same as linspire except there is a free version but its  got some drawbacks ),..thats mo
[07:46] <neighborlee> oh dear
[07:47] <neighborlee> oh well good intentions
[07:47] <neighborlee> sorry guys for the semi spam there ;(
[07:47] <neighborlee> dont know my own typing fingers sometimes ;-)
[07:47] <casimir> roger, neighborlee has a good summary
[07:47] <kapar> i have a laptop
[07:47] <AstralJava> Happens to the best of us, neighborlee. :)
[07:47] <neighborlee> heh
[07:48] <kapar> i installed ubuntu cuz i cant figure out how to boot the bios and i was stuck with a windows NT password that i didnt know and so i installed it
[07:48] <kapar> overtop of windows
[07:48] <kapar> now im trying to install windows again
[07:48] <sentinel_75> does any one knows how to install a modem
[07:48] <kapar> just gonna run two OS's i think
[07:48] <casimir> roger, ubuntu uses apt with dpkg, like all other debians
[07:48] <kapar> but ubuntu wont read the windows cd
[07:48] <stuNNed> sentinel_75: connect it and load the drivers?
[07:48] <kapar> and basically i have no idea how to get windows to install now
[07:48] <AstralJava> kapar: What's the problem? If you just don't know how, then there's a good howto on Ubuntu Wiki.
[07:48] <casimir> roger, the easiest way to work with apt for beginners is to use synaptic
[07:49] <neighborlee> roger: yeah you cant beat synaptic for ease of use in getting apps
[07:49] <osity> is installing the ssh package all i need to ssh into the server
[07:49] <AstralJava> Basically you cannot install Windows afterwards, cause it will wipe out the mbr and you won't be able to boot into your linux install anymore.
[07:49] <osity> uh ...i guess so ....cuz it just worked!
[07:49] <Dr_Aevil> that's not really true AstralJava
[07:49] <AstralJava> It isn't?
[07:49] <kerframil> indeed it isn't
[07:50] <Syirrus> how do you get mp3 support in Unbuntu?
[07:50] <Dr_Aevil> no
[07:50] <casimir> roger, are you using warty or hoary?
[07:50] <kerframil> grub can be re-installed to the MBR thereafter
[07:50] <AstralJava> Sheesh, I better shut up then. :)
[07:50] <Syirrus> can someone point me in the direction?
[07:50] <kapar> can i install windows overtop completel remove ubuntu then put it back on
[07:50] <AstralJava> Well, that's true.
[07:50] <Dr_Aevil> AstralJava: you can even use the nt bootloader to load grub :) e.g. by editing boot.ini
[07:50] <neighborlee> roger: but default install has somewhat limited ( but 100% supported) repository ( apps to download) so you just need to 'add' them in the 'preferences' section from the main menu....then the 'universe' is at your disposal <G>
[07:50] <osity> what the syntax for installing samba?
[07:50] <AstralJava> Dr_Aevil: Actually, I'd like to discuss about that indeed.
[07:50] <casimir> Syirrus, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:50] <Dr_Aevil> osity: sudo apt-get install samba :)
[07:50] <osity> gracia muchach!
[07:51] <kapar> Can i put windows overtop of ubuntu and completely remove it then?
[07:51] <Dr_Aevil> AstralJava: well, if you dd if=/dev/<boot disk> of=<file> bs=512 count=1 you create an image of your mbr, if you the put that file in your c:\ you can create an entry in boot.ini that points to that file, which ntldr will run for you :) quite neat really
[07:52] <neighborlee> roger: as in synaptic
[07:52] <whiskers> ok i did get gnomebaker to burn the dvd files along with nautilus.
[07:52] <roger> I'm using warty I think
[07:52] <whiskers> ok this is great
[07:52] <AstralJava> Dr_Aevil: Yes, I've already created the image, but the problem is, I have encrypted hard drive and everytime I create a FAT32 partition for transfer space, the other OS refuses to use it.
[07:53] <whiskers> i never got kernel 2.6.10 to work before
[07:53] <whiskers> this is great
[07:53] <kapar> astra are you trying to install windows?
[07:54] <Dr_Aevil> AstralJava: hmm, not sure I fully follow the situation - what is encrypting the hard disk? windows encryption or?
[07:54] <Vixus> How do I set the permissions of a directory so that it affects all subdirectories below it (for always)?
[07:54] <Dr_Aevil> Vixus: chmod -R (recursive)
[07:55] <AstralJava> kapar: The thing is, I first got Windows installed by admins at our work, but they require complete hard drive encryption. They left 40GB of space for my linux installation, and now I'm stuck cause I don't know whether my great plan works anymore. I'm confident I can get it dual booting just fine, but I cannot seem to be able to use that transfer space after all.
[07:55] <Vixus> Dr_Aevil: So which directory do I do this to, the last one or the parent?
[07:55] <AstralJava> Dr_Aevil: A third party utility software.
[07:55] <Dr_Aevil> Vixus: if you chmod -R a+rw ./<dir> it'll get that <dir>'s sub-dirs
[07:56] <Dr_Aevil> AstralJava: ok, interesting -where does that utility software live?
[07:56] <Vixus> Dr_Aevil: Thank you... what is the a+rw for?
[07:56] <Dr_Aevil> AstralJava: e.g. when does it boot
[07:56] <Dr_Aevil> Vixus: ah, that was just an example - that would say " for everyone using the system make these files readable and writable"
[07:56] <AstralJava> Dr_Aevil: If I create that FAT32 partition from windows' side, then Ubuntu cannot mount it, if I create it from Ubuntu, then Windows says I need to format the filesystem in order to use it.
[07:56] <Vixus> Dr_Aevil: Thanks
[07:56] <osity> so if i want a root account so i just type sudo passwd?
[07:56] <AstralJava> Dr_Aevil: In Windows.
[07:56] <zeedo> osity: yeh
[07:57] <osity> zeedo thanks
[07:57] <Vixus> Dr_Aevil: If I wanted to make it readable and writable for a particular group?
[07:57] <Dr_Aevil> dr who is on, just going to get a drink :)
[07:57] <Vixus> Dr who!
[07:57] <Dr_Aevil> Vixus: if you chown the files to the group you can set chmod g+rw for group read write
[07:57] <Dr_Aevil> yeah, brb
[07:57] <Dr_Aevil> AstralJava: interesting, one mo
[07:58] <AstralJava> Np. Thanks in advance.
[07:58] <Vixus> Dr_Aevil: Thanks
[07:59] <malte> could anyone please run grep -c '^Package' available and tell me what number they get?
[07:59] <malte> ehm
[07:59] <malte> grep -c '^Package' /var/lib/dpkg/available
[07:59] <libben> Hmm... I have tryed changing in the xorg.conf and ive tryed to change rates for both vertical and horizontal... and added more resolutions to conf file... and still i cant other resolutions except the ones that is in from the big update from a fresh install.
[07:59] <AstralJava> malte: 1894. Why?
[08:00] <LinuxJones> libben, did you upgrade from Warty to Hoary ?
[08:00] <malte> AstralJava, thanks, mine seems to be b0rk :)
[08:00] <AstralJava> Np. What number is that to be accurate?
[08:00] <whiskers> kerframil, no i did not need to run cdrecord as root...i needed to be root to fix the permissions problem on the dvdwriter device
[08:01] <casimir> there's a new kernel. any news on whether the nvidia problems are fixed?
[08:01] <malte> AstralJava, the number of lines in your available file that starts with "Package:"
[08:01] <whiskers> kerframil, i have it working now with gnomebaker as normal user
[08:01] <libben> LinuxJones, fresh install with horay.. and i got a nice 1400x1050 resolution(i only choosed one).... then i did the packages update... 300+packages.... and now the res i changed to 1280x1024... and i have the normal resolutions in my list... i dident have that before
[08:01] <AstralJava> Available, as in the official repositories?
[08:02] <kerframil> whiskers: ah, I see - good
[08:02] <whiskers> kerframil, yes this is great
[08:02] <malte> AstralJava, i'm not sure :) i'm trying to figure out what's supposed to be there
[08:02] <LinuxJones> libben, you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. You will have to read the top part of the xorg.conf file if you edited the file manually.
[08:04] <neighborlee> hey guys how do I fix a CRC error ?
[08:04] <neighborlee> one of those ext3 utils ?
[08:04] <neighborlee> this is like one day old hoary RC install...:(
[08:04] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, what file has the errors something you downloaded ?
[08:05] <neighborlee> LinuxJones: no idea..I can't get back IN to my system ..it halts after the crc error notice..:(
[08:05] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, it's happening during boot ?
[08:06] <neighborlee> LinuxJones: yup you got it ;(
[08:06] <libben> Package `xserver-org' is not installed and no info is available. that whats it tells me...
[08:06] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, can you boot into single user mode ?
[08:06] <libben> and xserver is installed
[08:06] <neighborlee> LinuxJones: remind me how lol
[08:06] <neighborlee> LinuxJones: F8 ?
[08:07] <neighborlee> or tab maybe
[08:07] <Syirrus> I love ubuntu
[08:07] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, no select recovery mode from the grub list of kernels
[08:07] <neighborlee> Syirrus: ;-)ditto
[08:07] <neighborlee> LinuxJones: gotcah
[08:07] <neighborlee> cha
[08:07] <neighborlee> cha cha cha
[08:07] <neighborlee> ok here goes..bbl8r o_0 - - - -
[08:08] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, it might be a problem with a new kernel try booting to an older kernel if you havn't tried.
[08:08] <AstralJava> malte: Cause I was just thinking if you can alter that number by flushing your local repositories by apt-get clean.
[08:08] <Syirrus> neighborlee: it is the best distro I have used for sure
[08:08] <LinuxJones> Syirrus, it's very nice :)
[08:08] <malte> AstralJava, oh
[08:08] <Syirrus> indeed
[08:08] <Syirrus> I am running a webserver with it using webmin and now I just installed it on my workstation
[08:09] <AstralJava> malte: But don't take my word on that, I have been documentedly wrong before. :)
[08:09] <e_machinist> Where is the wastebasket located at so that I can cd to it?
[08:09] <LinuxJones> e_machinist, you mean trash ?
[08:09] <kain> e_machinist, .Trash-<yourusername> ?
[08:10] <kain> try cd .Trash[tab]
[08:10] <kain> in your home
[08:10] <e_machinist> yah, trash, sorry. haha.
[08:10] <e_machinist> alright, let me try that.
[08:10] <kain> I'm not on ubuntu right now, so I can't test it
[08:10] <keyhack> how do I get Ubuntu to load my web cam?
[08:11] <AstralJava> malte: Take a loot at here: http://www.educ.umu.se/~bjorn/mhonarc-files/debian-user-small/msg01977.html
[08:11] <kain> but in my fat32 partition I see .Trash-kain
[08:11] <kain> so..
[08:11] <osity> do i have to assign smbpasswd  to all shared directories or just the users?
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> users have the passwords
[08:11] <AstralJava> So, basically we'd need to see your sources.list in order to find out what number you should have there.
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> not sure if you can make a seperate pass for each share.
[08:11] <e_machinist> Thanks kain, thanks LinuxJones.
[08:11] <malte> AstralJava, ah, that was my guess! thanks
[08:11] <LinuxJones> keyhack, have a look here >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[08:11] <kain> e_machinist, np
[08:11] <LinuxJones> e_machinist, :)
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> that 'useing samba' book will have more info then you will ever need. :P
[08:12] <AstralJava> malte: Np. Glad to be of help.
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> osity,  http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/   has a samba book you can download.
[08:12] <kain> hey, the first cam in this page is mine
[08:12] <keyhack> LinuxJones: I know my cam works under Linux, used to work fine in Debian, but not under Ubuntu
[08:12] <kapar> how do i get
[08:13] <kapar> windows onto my laptop
[08:13] <kain> keyhack, try installing v4l plugins
[08:13] <kapar> now that ubuntu is on it
[08:13] <keyhack> kain: what package?
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> kapar,  huh?
[08:13] <LinuxJones> keyhack, I don't have a webcam you probably just have to load a module for it
[08:13] <kapar> i cant get windows to install
[08:13] <kain> keyhack, with which program are you trying to use your webcam? gnomemeeting, xawtv?
[08:13] <keyhack> kain: "webcam" doesnt even work
[08:13] <osity> dr. willis....thanks ....wish i had time to read....
[08:13] <AstralJava> kapar: Basically, you just need free space onto which you can safely install that Windows.
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> kapar,  well do you have any free space on the hard drives t o install windows.
[08:13] <kain> for gnomemeeting you have to install a plugin for v4l since per default it want to use v4l2
[08:13] <LinuxJones> keyhack, what kind of webcam is it ?
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> osity,  i followed tha tsamba book for about 2 chapters and learned all i needed to know.. took 20 min. :P
[08:14] <keyhack> Creative Webcam Go III (OV511+ driver is what I used before)
[08:14] <kain> keyhack, are you trying xawtv or gnomemeeting?
[08:14] <keyhack> kain: "webcam"
[08:14] <kapar> well
[08:14] <kapar> i have a 4.3 gig laptop :/
[08:14] <malte> AstralJava, btw, isn't your 1894 a tad small then?
[08:15] <keyhack> v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[08:15] <keyhack> v4l: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[08:15] <keyhack> no grabber device available
[08:15] <kain> keyhack, try sudo modprobe ov511
[08:15] <Syirrus> ne1 know how to enable hyperthreading?
[08:15] <kapar> but i cant even get the copmuter to read the windows cd
[08:15] <kapar> so
[08:15] <keyhack> kain: already did
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> kapar,  if the pc cant eggen boot the windows cd... then you got non-linux related issues. :P
[08:15] <kain> keyhack, and it's loaded?
[08:15] <keyhack> kain: yup
[08:15] <kain> mm
[08:15] <scott> anyone used entrance on ubuntu?
[08:16] <kain> keyhack, sudo apt-get install libpt-plugins-v4l
[08:16] <AstralJava> malte: I suppose. I have Hoary main/universe/multiverse/security in my sources.list.
[08:16] <malte> AstralJava, same here. but mine is about 10 times yours :)
[08:16] <kain> keyhack, after that try using this cam with gnomemeeting or xawtv
[08:16] <kapar> ooh
[08:17] <kapar> well do you have any idea how i might be able to access my bios?
[08:17] <kapar> itsa laptop
[08:17] <kapar> compaq armada
[08:17] <kapar> *before you throw up it was free*
[08:17] <kain> kapar, try pressing canc or f2 at boot time
[08:18] <keyhack> kain: says no device found during the setup wizard
[08:18] <kain> keyhack, are you using hoary or warty?
[08:18] <kapar> i tried delete
[08:18] <kapar> f8
[08:18] <keyhack> kain: hoary I think (the pre-release)
[08:18] <kapar> f6 and f12
[08:18] <kain> kapar, try f2
[08:18] <kapar> ok
[08:18] <kain> keyhack, mm.. sudo modprobe videodev?
[08:18] <kain> keyhack, that's really strange anyway
[08:18] <keyhack> kain: already did
[08:19] <kain> ov511 is perfectly supported
[08:19] <keyhack> lsmod -> "videodev                9728  2 ov511,w9968cf"
[08:19] <kapar> nope by canc did yuo mean esc?
[08:19] <kain> keyhack, sound like a create-device issue
[08:19] <keyhack> ...
[08:20] <keyhack> I did an Ubuntu server install, if that means anything
[08:20] <kain> ln -s /dev/video0 /dev/video
[08:20] <kain> ah
[08:20] <kain> don't known if it really changes anything, never installed as server
[08:20] <keyhack> kain: yeah, me either
[08:21] <keyhack> kain: I just didnt want Gnome to be installed
[08:21] <kain> mm
[08:21] <kain> ln -s /dev/video0 /dev/video
[08:21] <kain> try that
[08:21] <AstralJava> malte: Thanks for pointing that out, I have to look up on that later. Now I go -> sauna. :)
[08:21] <LinuxJones> keyhack, did you install the ubuntu-desktop metapackage ?
[08:21] <keyhack> kain: did, nothing
[08:22] <malte> AstralJava, hehe, enjoy ;)
[08:22] <keyhack> LinuxJones: no
[08:22] <f00f_bug> when i try to run xmms i get this error: ~% xmms
[08:22] <f00f_bug> Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[08:22] <f00f_bug>   serial 194 error_code 8 request_code 2 minor_code 0
[08:22] <kain> hell
[08:22] <f00f_bug> eeep sorry about flooding.
[08:22] <kain> keyhack, mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0
[08:22] <AstralJava> malte: Thanks, sure will. :)
[08:22] <kain> keyhack, ln -sf /dev/video0 /dev/ video
[08:22] <kain> keyhack, ln -sf /dev/video0 /dev/ video
[08:22] <kain> whops
[08:22] <keyhack> ?
[08:22] <kain> keyhack, chmod 666 /dev/video0
[08:22] <kain> and finally
[08:22] <kain> chown root:video /dev/video0
[08:22] <kain> try those
[08:23] <smokinggun> anyone use the starterbar desklet?
[08:23] <keyhack> ln: when making multiple links, last argument must be a directory
[08:23] <kain> sorry
[08:23] <kain> ln -sf /dev/video0 /dev/video
[08:23] <kain> I've put a space
[08:23] <LinuxJones> keyhack, try installing that and see if there are any interesting packages that may need to be installed
[08:24] <f00f_bug> when is usplash supposed to be in the apt?
[08:24] <keyhack> kain: no device found
[08:24] <keyhack> LinuxJones: lists like 300+ packages
[08:24] <randabis> f00f_bug: Breezy
[08:24] <karafulix> how do i add my native language support in ubuntu? i have added my keyboard, but the keys are still giving out US qwerty.
[08:24] <kain> keyhack, dmesg what says when you load ov511?
[08:24] <LinuxJones> keyhack, can you post the file list to pastebin.ca
[08:24] <f00f_bug> randabis: damn :)
[08:24] <karafulix> [added the keyboard in gnome only]
[08:24] <smokinggun> anyone use the starterbar desklet?
[08:25] <LinuxJones> keyhack, I have a feeling your missing like d-bus or something
[08:25] <Albacker> do we use tar xvj for tbz2 ?
[08:25] <keyhack> http://pastebin.ca/8676
[08:25] <keyhack> dbus-1-utils
[08:25] <xamdm> Albacker: just install unp, then jou dont't need to know the options :-)
[08:25] <keyhack> yeah, dont have it installed
[08:26] <keyhack> ugh
[08:26] <keyhack> if I have to install this package I will
[08:26] <Albacker> xamdm, well do you know it ?
[08:26] <keyhack> it's just annoying, I'm never going to use Gnome, so I hate being forced to install it
[08:26] <xamdm> Albacker: tar xvfj
[08:26] <universal> how can i connect to a JACK when using ARDOUR??
[08:26] <Albacker> thanks, xamdm
[08:27] <xamdm> Albacker: unp is a nice script, works for any kind of package makes life easyer
[08:27] <LinuxJones> keyhack, you don't have d-bus or hal installed they are important
[08:28] <LinuxJones> keyhack, if your on a fast Internet connection I would install all of those files :)
[08:28] <Albacker> xamdm, thanks a lot. I'm just apt-get'ing it;
[08:28] <keyhack> LinuxJones: so just install ubuntu-desktop?
[08:28] <universal> does someone know about ARDOUR?
[08:28] <scott> what's the url of the site where you can search for a file in the packages?
[08:28] <keyhack> LinuxJones: I just didn't want the gnome package
[08:28] <Albacker> xamdm, how do you use that ?
[08:28] <keyhack> but it seems that I have no choice
[08:29] <LinuxJones> keyhack, your running gnome right ?
[08:29] <keyhack> no...
[08:29] <keyhack> xfce4
[08:29] <keyhack> I did a server install to avoid Gnome/KDE
[08:29] <LinuxJones> keyhack, ahhh
[08:29] <xamdm|afk> Albacker: unp package ;-)
[08:29] <keyhack> "After unpacking 642MB of additional disk space will be used.", most of it being waste.
[08:29] <xamdm|afk> cu
[08:30] <LinuxJones> keyhack, ok well you should install hal and d-bus and hopefully it will pull down any additional stuff to get you up and running
[08:30] <Albacker> thaNX
[08:30] <keyhack> LinuxJones: I did install hal before
[08:30] <kkathman> For those of you that have been on Ubuntu for a while, how often do you do your updates? Just curious.
[08:30] <kain> kkathman, on hoary every day
[08:30] <kkathman> kain, ok well thats what I have been doing
[08:31] <keyhack> LinuxJones: let me try to get those
[08:31] <yfir> kkathman: after the final release, updates are much less frquent, mostly just security updates
[08:31] <keyhack> LinuxJones: done, now what?
[08:31] <LinuxJones> keyhack, ok
[08:31] <osity> when i try to restart the samba daemons after editing the smb.conf file ....it fails on restart
[08:31] <kkathman> just wanted to know if I was nuts doing that
[08:31] <LinuxJones> keyhack, /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[08:31] <kain> osity, testparm
[08:31] <osity> thanks
[08:31] <[nrx_] > is there a linux gui alternative to winscp?
[08:31] <keyhack> LinuxJones: now what?
[08:32] <kain> [nrx_] , if you have gnome you can try "connet to server" feature
[08:32] <kain> it supports ssh
[08:32] <LinuxJones> keyhack, unplug unplug your webcam then try plugging it back in
[08:32] <osity> kain: where do i type test parm?
[08:32] <[nrx_] > kain, running xfce4
[08:32] <keyhack> LinuxJones: Nothing happened
[08:32] <kain> osity, you must type in a terminal
[08:32] <keyhack> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 7
[08:32] <keyhack> usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[08:32] <keyhack> usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[08:32] <LinuxJones> keyhack, look to see if the device has been created for you
[08:32] <kain> [nrx_] , search a module called shfs in google
[08:32] <keyhack> (last 3 lines of dmesg)
[08:33] <osity> kain ,,.ya i typed it and nothing happened ,.,,,what does that mean
[08:33] <kain> osity, testparm is an utility to check if smb.conf is right
[08:33] <osity> kain ,,.ya i typed it and nothing happened
[08:33] <kain> osity, maybe you must run it with sudo
[08:33] <kain> osity, try sudo testparm
[08:33] <osity> ah ....rught
[08:33] <osity> right
[08:33] <osity> well im root
[08:34] <osity> it just goes to the next prompt
[08:34] <kain> after you do a testparm, you can see something like this:
[08:34] <kain> Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf
[08:34] <kain> Processing section "[www] "
[08:34] <kain> etc.
[08:34] <osity> do i have to be in a directory or can i type it in any?
[08:35] <kain> osity, no, it can be run from any dir
[08:35] <keyhack> LinuxJones: Any ideas?
[08:35] <osity> im doing from putty ...maybe that;s why
[08:35] <osity> ill try at the mahcine
[08:35] <kain> osity, no, I try it from putty right now
[08:35] <keyhack> LinuxJones: maybe a good reboot is needed? (i modprobe'd a lot of shit)
[08:35] <kain> keyhack, try reboot
[08:35] <kain> in fact
[08:35] <LinuxJones> keyhack, sadly the only thing that I can recommend is searching google, sorry wish I could help :(
[08:36] <keyhack> LinuxJones: I might have to install that metapackage :-\
[08:36] <scott> anyone know the url where you can search ubuntu packages for a file?
[08:36] <keyhack> kain: in fact what
[08:36] <kain> keyhack, I mean try rebooting
[08:36] <kain> scott, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[08:36] <keyhack> ok
[08:36] <LinuxJones> keyhack, I dunno at this point
[08:37] <hybrid> hello all
[08:37] <LinuxJones> hybrid, hiya
[08:37] <kain> yfir, I'm on windows right now, so what
[08:37] <scott> thanks kain
[08:38] <kain> scott, np
[08:39] <hybrid> how do you compile from source. i.e i have GIMPshop in home folder and i need to compile it. how do i do so
[08:39] <osity> why would samba fail on restart of the service?
[08:39] <LinuxJones> osity, a messed up config file
[08:39] <keyhack> no good
[08:39] <keyhack> didn't find squat
[08:39] <keyhack> if i install ubuntu-desktop, and it still doesnt work
[08:39] <keyhack> I'm going to kill someone.
[08:39] <LinuxJones> osity, there is a command to check the config but I can't remember the name of it
[08:39] <keyhack> kain: Any last ideas?
[08:39] <kain> osity, are you sure you have /etc/samba/smb.conf ? maybe you must rename it because is smb.conf.sample or .new?
[08:40] <kain> keyhack, no, sorry
[08:40] <keyhack> kain: ooo
[08:40] <keyhack> kain: i unplugged, and replugged
[08:40] <keyhack> and it found it!
[08:40] <keyhack> using ov511 drivers
[08:40] <BabyTux> How do I change the language in Ubuntu? I wanne change from norwegian to english, without reinstalling...
[08:40] <kain> keyhack, that's nice
[08:40] <LinuxJones> keyhack, so it's up and running ?
[08:40] <keyhack> kain: dont know why not during bootup
[08:40] <LinuxJones> keyhack, you can add the module to /etc/modules so it will load every boot
[08:41] <kain> keyhack, that's hotplug's task
[08:41] <keyhack> kain: ok, well
[08:41] <kain> don't know why it doesn't recognize it at boot time
[08:41] <keyhack> kain: the color and stuff is way off
[08:41] <hybrid> what does .tbz mean?
[08:41] <keyhack> and for some reason...
[08:41] <LinuxJones> hybrid, tar + bzip
[08:41] <keyhack> it seems more zoomed in
[08:41] <keyhack> than it did in Windows
[08:41] <hybrid> ok
[08:41] <keyhack> is that a normal behavior?
[08:42] <kain> hybrid, it's like .tar.bz2, tar xjvf
[08:42] <libben> Please select your keyboard variant. it tells me that now when i do the dpkg reconfigure xserver thingy.... now what should i enter there... cause i dont wanna mess with the settings i have now... and im looking in the xorg.conf... and cant figure out wich line that should be that one...
[08:42] <kain> to decompress
[08:42] <libben> corekeyboard?
[08:42] <hybrid> kain ok thanx
[08:42] <keyhack> well, I need to shower and stuff
[08:42] <kain> keyhack, I've notice this on some webcam also
[08:42] <keyhack> kain: hmm, ok
[08:42] <keyhack> kain: someone had mentioned that there is a different driver for my cam
[08:42] <keyhack> besides the ov511
[08:43] <keyhack> I think the other one has color improvements?
[08:43] <LinuxJones> libben, it should have picked the one your already using, just hit enter
[08:43] <keyhack> but the hotplug automagically did ov511
[08:43] <kain> mm.. maybe you should try that instead, remember to install linux-headers to compile a module against the kernel
[08:43] <zenrox> woohoo i got dual monitors worken and seprate desktops on each monitor
[08:43] <zenrox> woohoo
[08:43] <libben> LinuxJones, well.. its blank on that selection
[08:43] <keyhack> kain: privmsg me any response, i need to hop in the shower, brb
[08:43] <LinuxJones> libben, oh
[08:43] <kain> keyhack, ok
[08:43] <rykel> hi guys, nice to see ya online! UBUNTU ROCKS   =)
[08:43] <SeanQ> Thank you, rykell.
[08:43] <SeanQ> rykel.
[08:44] <hybrid> rykel nice to see you too
[08:44] <osity> kain:  i renamed the original smb.conf to smb(orig).conf and created a new one
[08:44] <osity> is that a problem?
[08:44] <whiskers> any chance of getting a verify option built into the next version of gnomebaker
[08:45] <whiskers> even a simple file by file verify would be nice
[08:45] <kain> osity, mm.. no, unleass you edit it right
[08:45] <bassMonkey> yeah, just finished up my first ubuntu install, it rocks so far!
[08:45] <BabyTux> How do I change the language in Ubuntu? I want to change from norwegian to english, without reinstalling...
[08:45] <libben> LinuxJones, im on a swedish layout... so what do u have in ur xorg.conf? above the XkbRules "xorg" I have CoreKeyboard above that.... and i think that should be the one to enter in the reconfigure screen... but im not sure
[08:45] <osity> the testparm now seems to work in putty....no probs indicated there
[08:45] <rykel> brb... u guys carry on...
[08:45] <libben> what do u have on that line?
[08:45] <kain> osity, check permissions
[08:45] <kain> osity, ls -lh and see what permissions original smb.conf has
[08:45] <hgoesm> can someone help me??? i cannot play mp3 on my ubuntu 5.04
[08:46] <osity> kain : looking now
[08:46] <karafulix> i am having problems getting my locale/keyboard to work? any pointer pages on this?
[08:46] <whiskers> hgoesm, try installing mpg321
[08:46] <kain> hgoesm, which application?
[08:46] <hgoesm> ok ill try
[08:46] <kain> hgoesm, maybe you should try installing gstreamer0.8-mad package
[08:46] <whiskers> i have sound here now and i did not even have to configure all that alsa stuff
[08:46] <hgoesm> rhythmbox anl all other
[08:47] <hybrid> ok to compile it is ./configure make sudo make install right?
[08:47] <osity> kain : permissions are the same
[08:47] <LinuxJones> libben, I have core as well,
[08:47] <kain> osity, try using the default smb.conf and see if the service starts
[08:47] <libben> hmm
[08:47] <libben> Well, the question was on how to treat keys... like deadkeys and bla bla..
[08:47] <libben> so what should i type
[08:48] <hgoesm> wait i am installing
[08:48] <LinuxJones> hgoesm, you need to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:48] <kain> or gstreamer0.8-plugins metapackage
[08:48] <hgoesm> i install both
[08:48] <karafulix> my system can't find the specific *UTF.8 file i wanna use. how to i add my UTF files, locale/language support in ubuntu?
[08:48] <kain> well hgoesm restart gnome and try
[08:49] <hgoesm> i ll be back wail
[08:49] <kain> karafulix, maybe dpkg-reconfigure locales?
[08:49] <LinuxJones> karafulix, dpkg-reconfigure console-data (I think)
[08:50] <hybrid> brb
[08:50] <dracflamloc> ugh
[08:50] <Zugwrack> Hi everyone...
[08:50] <kain> hi there.
[08:50] <dracflamloc> firefox crashes on me when i try and import favorites
[08:50] <hgoesm> thx it works
[08:51] <kain> hgoesm, :)
[08:51] <Zugwrack> I can't hear sound, even though the volume meter shows 100% and I have turned up the volume on my speaker system...
[08:51] <hgoesm> u are great
[08:51] <kain> well, that's a nice script found on ubuntu forums: http://www.kuht.it/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=155
[08:51] <Zugwrack> This is a live boot cd
[08:51] <karafulix> kain: thanks, let me try this.
[08:51] <kain> check it out
[08:51] <hgoesm> i ll have now to go cya
[08:51] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, look at gstreamer-properties make sure alsa is selected for output pipe. There is a test button there
[08:52] <Albacker> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required , , , what should I install ?
[08:52] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: K thanks...will let you know in a sec
[08:52] <Albacker> I've already installed perl-modules
[08:52] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, maybe you need to adjust the volume settings pcm needs to be up
[08:53] <kkathman> Albacker, you have libxml-parser-perl?
[08:53] <hybrid> : wonders why does unix have to be sooo picky
[08:53] <rykel> hi pals,
[08:53] <hybrid> hello
[08:53] <AcidWolf> anyone here good with networking cause i got an issue thats doing my head in
[08:53] <LinuxJones> hybrid, picky about what ?
[08:53] <Albacker> kkathman, I dont think so
[08:53] <munki> AcidWolf , ask !
[08:54] <hybrid> LinuxJones the cd command :P
[08:54] <hybrid> cd /home/hybrid/gimp-2.2.4
[08:54] <kkathman> Albacker, try sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get libxml-parser-perl
[08:54] <kkathman> oops
[08:54] <LinuxJones> hybrid, there is tab completion
[08:54] <Albacker> I'm downloading it
[08:54] <AcidWolf> ok i got a windows machine an Ubuntu laptop and a ADSL router and a Headache
[08:54] <rykel> does anybody know which repository contains transcode and all the mplayer stuff? (other than the nerim)
[08:54] <hybrid> instead of cd /hybrid/gimp-2.2.4
[08:54] <Albacker> kkathman,
[08:54] <kain> Zugwrack, this is for enabled alsa mixing in ubuntu, second post http://www.kuht.it/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3568&forum=7#26397 it's in italian but you must follow commands
[08:54] <karafulix> kain : do i need a reboot after reconfiguring the new locales?
[08:54] <hybrid> LinuxJones what is that
[08:54] <kkathman> Albacker, sorry I mean sudo apt-get install libxml-parser-perl
[08:54] <kain> karafulix, not mandatory but preferred
[08:54] <AcidWolf> i cant get the laptop to see the PC and visa versa
[08:54] <libben> hmm... is there anyway to update your xorg.conf file... cause i dont wanna do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org, I just want my resolution to work... and i only have one resolution in there.
[08:54] <Albacker> kkathman, thanks, Dont worry :-)
[08:55] <karafulix> kain: cause i got an error, it couldn't find my locale file, again...
[08:55] <LinuxJones> hybrid, to get to that directory you'd type cd /ho(tab)/hy(tab) etc try it
[08:55] <kkathman> Albacker, not a prob, glad to help
[08:55] <karafulix> kain: let me try a reboot
[08:55] <munki> AcidWolf , can u ping the ip ?
[08:55] <AcidWolf> no
[08:55] <kain> karafulix, try opening up synaptic and search for locale
[08:55] <AcidWolf> 100% packet loss
[08:55] <LinuxJones> hybrid, hitting the teab will auto-complete the path for you
[08:55] <LinuxJones> *tab
[08:55] <kain> I'm not a locale expert on ubuntu, but hopefully it can resolve your problem
[08:55] <hybrid> ok i cx
[08:55] <hybrid> **see
[08:55] <karafulix> kain: it is there, i installed and reinstalled it
[08:56] <kain> karafulix, dpkg-reconfigure locales rebuild locales on your system, do you haven't seen it listed during reconfigure?
[08:56] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: I see no gstreamer settings for anything...I am checking sound with the system sounds..I did see that sound was set to OSS snd_powermac...I changed this to ALSA snd_powermac and it made no difference
[08:56] <Zugwrack> In the volume control that is
[08:56] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, your on a mac
[08:57] <whiskers> this is great...i gave up on that xp stuff but i did get win98 mostly working
[08:57] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Indeed
[08:57] <whiskers> so we have linux and win98
[08:57] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, how many sound cards to you have in your box 1 or 2 ?
[08:57] <karafulix> kain: it is listed during the reconfigure. is "rebuild locales" another command?
[08:57] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Just the one that came default with the G4 dual
[08:57] <Albacker> Bye everyone ! ! !
[08:57] <kain> karafulix, no
[08:57] <whiskers> seems like winme and beyond has that system restore stuff that screws everything up
[08:57] <Zugwrack> Albacker: later
[08:57] <karafulix> kain : i just did dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:58] <karafulix> nothing more
[08:58] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, can you try playing a music file .ogg preferably and see if an error comes up ?
[08:58] <kain> karafulix, that's the way, but it didn't solve your problem.. sorry if I cannot help more on this
[08:58] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Is there a lemme search and see if Ubuntu has a sample .ogg
[08:58] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, you have mp3's on that system ?
[08:58] <karafulix> kain: lets try a reboot. otherwise it is back to zero with this machine.
[08:58] <kain> karafulix, ah
[08:58] <phoenixp3k> hello everyone!
[08:58] <karafulix> kain: thanks, brb.
[08:58] <kain> karafulix, I think you've already rebooted
[08:59] <kain> was thinking*
[08:59] <kkathman> Zugwrack, you could do a locate *ogg* I guess :)
[08:59] <karafulix> kain: no i havent rebooted uet
[08:59] <kain> karafulix, ok
[08:59] <karafulix> kain : brb
[08:59] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Nope...I just booted the live cd version to check out Hoary
[08:59] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, oh ok
[08:59] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, hey there welcome back
[08:59] <phoenixp3k> I have a few sound related problems.
[08:59] <rykel> BRB
[08:59] <scott> how do I save all output from a command to a file? like the errors and the normal output?
[09:00] <kkathman> scott pipe it to a file name
[09:00] <Zugwrack> scott: give the command with a redirection symbol...
[09:00] <kain> >
[09:00] <phoenixp3k> There's been a thread on the forums. But was never answered
[09:00] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, right click the volume control in panel and select Open Volume Control
[09:00] <scott> is it &> ?
[09:00] <Zugwrack> scott like cat /var/log/<filename> > myfilename
[09:00] <scott> Zugwrack, does that get errors too?
[09:00] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, double check that the channels aren't muted
[09:00] <phoenixp3k> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=113630
[09:01] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Ok a sec...
[09:01] <Zugwrack> scott: It works for all commands you are issuing...
[09:01] <kain> phoenixp3k, have you tried to use alsa dmix instead of esd?
[09:02] <neighborlee> I have a 'crc error: -system halted' during bootup..I tried recovery mode but it does same thing...any suggestions on a fix ? :(
[09:02] <phoenixp3k> kain: I don't even know wich I'm using... I mean is it an other application or codec?
[09:02] <neighborlee> this is off fresh install of hoary RC
[09:02] <Dreamer3> ok... ubuntu uses gtk2.6... so does that mean i really can't install anything (./configure && make ) easily that uses gtk 2.x but not 2.6?
[09:02] <kain> neighborlee, try start memtest86 during boot time
[09:02] <Dreamer3> i installed the libgtk-dev, but it's 2.6...
[09:02] <neighborlee> kain: how long does it take
[09:03] <kain> phoenixp3k, no, it's another system to make sound working. esd is gnome sound daemon, but I find that alsa mixing is better
[09:03] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: It is not muted..however when I select the ALSA option it shows a little "x" symbol...if I change it back to OSS it becomes active
[09:03] <kain> neighborlee, run it a few minutes
[09:03] <neighborlee> kain: oh ok..yeah I did that..'0' errors
[09:03] <kain> neighborlee, and see if ram has some error
[09:03] <kain> neighborlee, maybe then corrupted iso?
[09:03] <kain> or cd
[09:04] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[09:04] <hybrid__> HELP please! this is the first i have compiled from source. i am compiling GIMPshop. i untarred the GIMP-source-2.2.4.tbz . Then i did ./config now i am lost. i need help. where do i go from here
[09:04] <neighborlee> kain: doubtful as the md5sum checked before I installed...but  shrug who knows at this point
[09:04] <Zugwrack> scott: Can you tell us exactl what you are doing? We can better answer the question with the example of what you want to do..
[09:04] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, if you can find a .ogg file download it and double click it
[09:04] <Zugwrack> *exactly*
[09:04] <neighborlee> hybrid__: if you got no errors..just run: make then: sudo make install ( then your user password)
[09:04] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Ok...maybe a different mixer might make a difference?
[09:05] <kent> hybrid__, most of the time you need build-essential(s)   and a lot of *-devel packages. First install build-essential and see what happens when you ./configure
[09:05] <scott> Zugwrack, I just went ahead and used &>, thanks
[09:05] <hybrid__> neighborless i ran make and i got make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[09:06] <neighborlee> hybrid__: yeah kent is correct
[09:06] <kain> hybrid__, "Then i did ./config now i am lost." it's ./configure
[09:06] <hybrid__> thats what i ment
[09:06] <hybrid__> sry
[09:06] <kain> ok
[09:06] <phoenixp3k> kain: could you point me in the direction downloading, installing alsa
[09:06] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, no the Gnome Volume Control  should be fine
[09:06] <Zugwrack> scott: Ok... if you want to append additional content the file you directed to use a double greater than like ">>" minus the quotes of course
[09:06] <kain> phoenixp3k, I've a link, it's in italian but commands are crystal clear, do you want to see it?
[09:07] <phoenixp3k> sure.
[09:07] <kain> http://www.kuht.it/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3568&forum=7#26397
[09:07] <hybrid__> kent how do i install build-essential(s)?
[09:07] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, when trying to locate files, you might start with apt-cache search <keywords>
[09:07] <kain> phoenixp3k, the thing it's in italian only it that you must select alsa from system -> preferences -> multimedia in gnome
[09:07] <LinuxJones> hybrid__, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential
[09:07] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, so, in your case, you can try apt-cache search alsa
[09:07] <kain> and preferences -> audio -> remove the check under start esd
[09:07] <hybrid__> ok
[09:07] <kain> phoenixp3k, that's the second post in this link
[09:08] <kent> hybrid__, in synaptic.  Find it in the menu. System meny i think.
[09:08] <phoenixp3k> but is it going to help or just install a new application ?
[09:08] <hybrid__> ok
[09:08] <kain> phoenixp3k, it's going to help
[09:08] <kain> alsa mixing it's better than esd I think
[09:08] <kain> I use it without problems
[09:08] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: It plays the .ogg file..but I hear nothing...
[09:08] <kent> hybrid__, Im not completly sure its in system menu so check the program menu aswell if its not there.
[09:09] <Zugwrack> Must have something to do with the live cd..I am not sure...I don't want to install the real deal without knowing what the problem is with sound
[09:09] <hybrid__> ok
[09:10] <phoenixp3k> ok, I'll try it. Thanks. But just a quick question i never did apt-get install w32codecs
[09:10] <phoenixp3k> might this be the big problem?
[09:10] <kain> phoenixp3k, w32codecs are required in order to play video that require codecs likes divx, mov, and so on
[09:10] <kain> don't this this is the problem
[09:11] <phoenixp3k> don't what ?
[09:11] <mjr> well, not divx, and mov is not a codec
[09:11] <kain> think*
[09:11] <phoenixp3k> w32codecs is the problem?
[09:11] <kain> sorry, I'm not english :D
[09:11] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: As I recall warty needed a file installed to let Rythmbox play music...has this changed as Hoary gets closer to release?
[09:12] <KarlosII> M/B Temp:    +34C  (low  =   +15C, high =   +40C)   sensor = thermistor
[09:12] <KarlosII> CPU Temp:    +24C  (low  =   +15C, high =   +45C)   sensor = thermistor
[09:12] <kain> phoenixp3k, I don't think so
[09:12] <KarlosII> Temp3:       +55C  (low  =   +15C, high =   +45C)   sensor = diode
[09:12] <kent> Zugwrack, Ubuntu will always need to install the mp3-plugin after an install, since it cant be in the main distribution. Its not legal to ship it, as I recall.  But you can still play ogg music and other free formats.
[09:13] <phoenixp3k> kain, I'll try what you said earlier. But I have an other question, it's about GRUB though
[09:13] <kain> phoenixp3k, tell me
[09:13] <Zugwrack> kent: thanks...I did try the sound with a sample .ogg file...so that wouldn't be an issue then
[09:13] <phoenixp3k> grub, is taking like 2-3 minutes to load
[09:13] <karafulix> kain : back. now i got all the menus in my language but the keyboard is still english, which is the exact opposite of what i wanted
[09:13] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, to play mp3's you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:13] <kain> karafulix, try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and set the right XkbLayout
[09:14] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, did the file play ok ?
[09:14] <Zugwrack> karaflux: You need to change the keyboard mapping to you language I think
[09:14] <kent> Zugwrack, well, it should play ogg after an install without needing to install anything. For mp3s do as LinuxJones says.
[09:14] <kain> phoenixp3k, mm.. I've had this issue with lilo, not with grub
[09:14] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Yes...but no sound output
[09:14] <kain> phoenixp3k, so I've no idea, sorry
[09:14] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, it's just a volume issue then, something is muted or turned down somewhere
[09:15] <phoenixp3k> kain: might it be bios related, on prefering another
[09:15] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: And I can't use ALSA which as we know is assuming the role of OSS
[09:15] <kain> Zugwrack, try issuing alsamixer and see if first channels are mute, unmute them with M
[09:15] <Zugwrack> kain: K thanks...
[09:15] <kain> phoenixp3k, maybe. when I had lilo it takes 2 minutes to load
[09:16] <phoenixp3k> Ok, thanks everyone, I'll go try some more :p
[09:16] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, unfortunately Ubuntu doesn't have any way to configure alsa other than by hand :(
[09:18] <munki> O_o
[09:18] <BabyTux> Can anyone tell me how to change the default language in Ubuntu? The one i selected during the install..
[09:18] <dts> what does purge do in apt-get? does it pretend a package is insterted?
[09:19] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: np....thanks for the help...I found that for some reason alsamixer had the "auto mute" option enabled....I changed it and voila! now I hear the .ogg...hehe
[09:19] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, damn mute :)
[09:19] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Is it also possible to install from the live cd version?
[09:19] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, now your ready for an install :D
[09:20] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, no not yet
[09:20] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Indeed...
[09:20] <DoppelGanger> dts: your funny
[09:20] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: I haven't been following Ubuntu for a while..how close are the developers saying Ubuntu Hoary final is?
[09:20] <kain> dts, purge doesn't exist in apt, it exists in dpkg. dpkg --purge package remove the package, even config files. apt-get clean cleans package downloaded
[09:20] <Sung> hi
[09:20] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, I hope the developers see the need to be able to install from the Live CD so you can ask questions if you run into trouble.
[09:21] <dts> DoppelGanger, you are my double
[09:21] <Sung> can anyone help me mount the nfts partition of my HD on boot up ?
[09:21] <whiskers> well the oggs seem to be playing on ubuntu
[09:21] <DoppelGanger> dts: yes i am
[09:21] <LinuxJones> Sung, have you checked www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[09:21] <BabyTux> Sung: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[09:21] <Sung> yeah.
[09:21] <dts> kain is there a way to not have apt remove packages
[09:21] <TheBaron> has anyone here tried the live CD on a notebook with an Intel 2200BG wireless card?
[09:21] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: that seems a logical option..As far as linux for powerpc goes..Ubuntu is the bomb...
[09:22] <kain> dts, mm.. don't know, sorry
[09:22] <Sung> linuxjones: i keep on getting this msg when i mount- a 'mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hde1,
[09:22] <Sung>        or too many mounted file systems
[09:22] <Sung> '
[09:22] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, it's the bomb on any platform :)
[09:22] <DoppelGanger> dts
[09:22] <DoppelGanger> -s flag
[09:22] <DoppelGanger> simulation
[09:22] <DoppelGanger> apt-get -s remove xprint
[09:22] <dts> DoppelGanger, well i do want  the package i want to be installed but in order to install it apt wants to remove packages that are totaly unrelated
[09:23] <kain> he means that?
[09:23] <DoppelGanger> oh
[09:23] <CarlK> what pacage has libtoolize ?
[09:23] <DoppelGanger> dependencies
[09:23] <kain> well, I must go, cya everyone
[09:23] <munki> Sung , what's the filesystem on thatdevice ?
[09:23] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: I gave up on Yellow Dog after they release their newest version without sound working....and that distro is developed just for mac...it was just fscking ubelievable...I couldn't say about Ubuntu for other architectures...but I presume it must be so based on my experience with the mac version
[09:23] <Sung> ntfs
[09:23] <CarlK> apt-cache search libtoolize - nothing
[09:23] <DoppelGanger> dpkg then dts
[09:23] <Sung> munki:ntfs
[09:23] <Dreamer3> got it :)
[09:23] <DoppelGanger> dpkg -i packageyouwant in
[09:23] <DoppelGanger> hmmm wait
[09:23] <kent> Sung, /dev/hde1? thats alot of devices. Are you sure its hde1?
[09:23] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, you don't like osX ?
[09:23] <DoppelGanger> tht would resolve dependencies
[09:24] <Sung> yeah
[09:24] <Sung> if i fdisk -l hde1 shows up
[09:24] <DoppelGanger> i forgot the non dependency switch dcheck themanual
[09:24] <Sung> /dev/hde1
[09:24] <munki> Sung , ntfs is not fully supported in Linux but use : mount -t ntfs /dev/hde1
[09:24] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: I like OS X simply due to the the included video (iMovie, iDVD)..and the fact that is runs on a BSD layer...
[09:25] <Zugwrack> However for administration and such Linux is more to my liking
[09:25] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, I am getting a dual G5, Tiger should be out in a few months
[09:25] <Sung> munki: when i type that in it ends with 'say man mount 8'
[09:26] <munki> Sung , just an advice -make the device run anything else that ntfs
[09:26] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: I am holding out for Tiger as well...yes OS X is wonderful..don't get me wrong...I am the kind of person that sees the value of different software based on individual needs
[09:26] <dhonn> jdub: I sent you an email @perkypants
[09:26] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, I am getting it to do some video editing
[09:26] <lakin> my laptop and my desktop are both running Hoary, and I just finished upgrading them to the latest packages (20 minutes ago). But my laptop is still missing some things that my desktop has.  My desktop has a hibernate option when I logout, my laptop doesn't, my desktop also has an about ubuntu menu option under system, but my laptop doesn't.
[09:27] <Zugwrack> to me personally Linux is more "fun" because I am more free to explore and learn..whereas OS X and additional software costs $$
[09:27] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: So do you currently own a Mac?
[09:27] <DoppelGanger> BSD layer my but
[09:27] <DoppelGanger> t
[09:27] <dhonn> can i get a mac mini without an installed os for cheaper?
[09:27] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, nope I just have a few Linux machines
[09:28] <BabyTux> Can anyone tell me how to change the default language in Ubuntu? The one i selected during the install..
[09:28] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, video editing on Linux is not anywhere near even beta
[09:28] <alexsmith> Hey Everyone!
[09:28] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, unless you want to spend $ 500,000.00 :)
[09:28] <hybrid__> *hello*
[09:29] <CarlK> Zugwrack - I have found a few free video editing things
[09:29] <alexsmith> I've just got Ubuntu on my laptop, wondering how I can reorder the service start, I want it to query ntp AFTER starting PCMCIA?
[09:29] <Zugwrack> Ahh..well then you are in for a real fun experience..with a mac...I
[09:29] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, I know it :)
[09:29] <dhonn> i think the default human theme is too bright, the white text is now harder to read
[09:29] <Zugwrack> CarlK: Yes I know..they are no where as robust as the included programs in OS X
[09:29] <hybrid__> Macs are bnto that great
[09:29] <fgx> alexsmith, by chanching number after S in rc.*
[09:29] <alexsmith> fgx: Thank you
[09:29] <Zugwrack> hybrid: ?
[09:29] <hybrid__> i got an iBook and i didnt like OS X much so i put ubuntu on it
[09:30] <hybrid__> Macs are not that great
[09:30] <Zugwrack> hybrid: Again I reiterate..it depends on what you are doing...
[09:30] <dhonn> how did it work out for you hybrid__
[09:30] <hybrid__> Zugwrack I agree
[09:30] <dhonn> i hear that osx 10.3.x is still 32bit code