[00:09] <eikeon> Anyone running an ubuntu core AMI on EC2 and know how to get it to recognize a bigger volume. I end up with the same size filesystems regardless of how big I make the root volume at EC2 launch time
[00:19] <miken> Small fix to the snapcraft tutorial: https://code.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/snapcraft/fix-golang-tutorial-to-match-changes-from-r132/+merge/270131
[07:06] <fgimenez> good morning
[07:07] <mvo> hey fgimenez, good morning
[07:09] <fgimenez> hi mvo!
[07:16] <dholbach> good morning
[07:42] <miken> Hi people o/ Small MP with some updates for the tutorial: https://code.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/snapcraft/fix-golang-tutorial-to-match-changes-from-r132/+merge/270131
[07:44] <miken> Also, is the daily-build of snapcraft manually triggered? Current one in the PPA is quite a way back from trunk (r135)
[08:50] <Chipaca> mvo: I've not blocked your two new-stuff-in-the-yaml branches with a needs-fixing just because i don't know if they're urgent or not
[08:50] <Chipaca> mvo: if they're urgent, we can easily land docs after
[08:50] <Chipaca> mvo: otherwise i'd be happier if the docs got updated together with the code
[08:51] <mvo> Chipaca: yeah, good point, thanks a lot. I am also not sure how urgent it is, but docs are pretty big so I will that,  thanks for the prompt review
[08:52] <Chipaca> mvo: docs should be fairly straightforward also :)
[08:53] <mvo> yep
[08:55] <Chipaca> if you find yourself writing "chapter 2: of how the service begot its socket, and the events that unfolded henceforth", start over
[08:55] <Chipaca> thenceforth?
[08:55] <Chipaca> thenceforth is a word.
[08:56]  * mvo is stunned by that and looks it up
[08:56] <mvo> Chipaca: reading the classics lately :) ?
[08:56] <Chipaca> xchat doesn't underline it, and it underlines "xchat" :)
[08:57] <Chipaca> mvo: lately? no. But I read Munchausen as a kid, and it stays with ya
[08:57] <mvo> hihi
[08:57] <Chipaca> ("thenceforth" makes sense, given "henceforth" is from here, and not from there)
[08:58] <Chipaca> (which is why you should be suspicious of it; nothing in english makes sense and isn't out to stab you)
[09:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Bring Your Manners To Work Day! 😃
[09:16]  * Chipaca either always brings what manners he has
[09:16] <Chipaca> s/either//
[09:17] <mvo> kickinz1|lunch: hey, I'm working on http://paste.ubuntu.com/12117177/ right now and would like to ask if we could make "socket: yes/no implicit, i.e. if there is a listen-stream we always use socket: yes. or is there a use-case were we have a socket without a listen-stream?
[09:17] <mvo> kickinz1|lunch: plus I would like to rename "SocketUser" to socket-user to make it more yamlish
[09:17] <mvo> kickinz1|lunch: sounds ok?
[10:18] <Chipaca> mvo: ping
[10:24] <mvo> Chipaca: pong
[10:25] <Chipaca> mvo: hiya. I just noticed, in the socket branch, that you're not using generate*FileName in two places where you could. Is it because there's not much to it and you've had to prune the directory off it anyway? Or just because you didn't notice?
[10:25] <mvo> Chipaca: I think I did not noticed, mind to point to the lines? maybe I did notice and forgot about it too, but in any case worth a comment at least (or a fixing)
[10:26] <Chipaca> mvo: inline
[10:27] <mvo> ta
[10:27] <Chipaca> i'd already half-asked inline before pinging you :)
[10:53] <ogra_> mvo, so i was looking around a bit ... we should be able to call genext2fs as last step in livecd-rootfs to actually generate .img files of the rootfs and publich them on cdimage ... that way you would only have to pick them up from there without tinkering to generate a rootfs snap
[10:54] <ogra_> then we could just install them wherever we like ... (system-boot or writable or wherever)
[10:54] <mvo> ogra_: sounds reasonable, we will have to add the meta/* stuff to it as well plus it will have to be squashfs
[10:55] <ogra_> why, we could start with simple ext2
[10:55] <mvo> ogra_: I made some progress yesterday on that
[10:55] <ogra_> ah, ok
[10:55] <mvo> ogra_: if it does not work out, I'm happy to go back to ext2 of course
[10:56] <ogra_> right ...
[13:17] <Chipaca> mvo: are you going to wait for a review from kickinz1|lunch ?
[13:18] <mvo> Chipaca: probably not, I guess he is busy, we can probably land
[13:22] <mvo> ogra_: in case you are fiddling with the image building, I think we need squashfs-tools soon :)
[13:22] <ogra_> mvo, thats a dep of livecd-rootfs i think
[13:22] <ogra_> will need some code changes to produce img files though
[13:23] <ogra_> unless you want to keep the tarballs for porters or whatnot and do the squashing at snap build time
[13:23] <mvo> ogra_: I have a script that builds images out of the cdimage artifacts
[13:23] <mvo> ogra_: I don't mind either way really
[13:24] <ogra_> i think keeping the tarball makes it easier for others to inspect the rootfs
[13:24] <mvo> ogra_: I guess best to discuss with the store guys what the most sensible process for this is
[13:24] <ogra_> so if you already have a script. lets use that
[13:24] <mvo> ogra_: yeah, sounds good to me to keep it
[13:24]  * ogra_ hes to check if the RPi kernel actually has squashfs at all
[13:25] <ogra_> (RaspberryPi2)ubuntu@localhost:~$ sudo modprobe squashfs
[13:25] <ogra_> (RaspberryPi2)ubuntu@localhost:~$ cat /proc/filesystems |grep squash
[13:25] <ogra_> 	squashfs
[13:25] <ogra_> ok, that was quick :)
[13:25] <mvo> yay!
[13:26] <ogra_> well, i have a complteley module-less initrd in the device tarball atm ...
[13:26] <ogra_> need to adjust that
[13:26] <mvo> ogra_: could you simpliy add it to the kernel ?
[13:26] <ogra_> mvo, paolo could ... ppisati ^^^
[13:27] <ogra_> ppisati, we need squashfs built into the kernel
[13:27] <mvo> ogra_: its not going to happen before the weekend, no worries :) I'm just making better progress right now than I had hoped, but that can chnage quickly on the next road-block
[13:27] <ogra_> right, i want to be prepared on all devices for it :)
[13:28] <ppisati> ogra_: k, i'll add it to -generic, v/raspi2 and w/raspy2
[13:28] <ogra_> v and w ?
[13:29] <ppisati> ogra_: vivid and wily
[13:29] <ogra_> ah :)
[13:29] <ppisati> ogra_: 3.19 and 4.2
[13:29] <ogra_> oh, right, we have two kernels now
[13:29]  * ogra_ will need to adjust his build script too
[13:49] <elopio> ogra_: can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/snappy/test_free_space/+merge/270137 ?
[13:51] <Chipaca> sergiusens: ping
[13:51] <ogra_> elopio, as far as my go knowledge goes it looks ok
[13:51] <ogra_> (thats not very far, mind you :) )
[13:52] <sergiusens> Chipaca, pong
[13:52] <elopio> ogra_: that's good enough, thanks :)
[13:52]  * sergiusens was having issues with irssi and freenode
[13:53]  * sergiusens said, hell it is Friday and installed xchat
[13:53] <ogra_> +1
[13:53] <ogra_> xchart FTW
[13:53] <ogra_> *xchat
[14:18] <tedg> sergiusens: Did my long rambling e-mail about ubuntu packages make any sense?
[14:19] <sergiusens> tedg, heh, I'm trying to figure it out, I think I understood the TODOs and the WANTs
[14:20] <tedg> sergiusens: K :-)
[14:20] <sergiusens> tedg, let me get back to you in a bit
[14:49] <elopio> ogra_: when I run parted on the bbb it tells me that there's one block not used.
[14:49] <elopio> is that a bug, or is that ok?
[14:51] <ogra_> hmm, do you have the exact output ?
[14:51] <ogra_> it should be fine i think
[15:02] <elopio> Warning: Not all of the space available to /dev/vda appears to be used, you can
[15:02] <elopio> fix the GPT to use all of the space (an extra 1 blocks) or continue with the
[15:02] <elopio> current setting?
[15:02] <elopio> ogra_: ^
[15:03] <ogra_> elopio, huh ? thats BBB ??
[15:03] <elopio> ogra_: sorry, no, kvm.
[15:03] <ogra_> ah
[15:04] <ogra_> well, doesn it resize fine beyond that ?
[15:05] <elopio> ogra_: it has 0.04% free at the end, so my test passes.
[15:05] <elopio> I just have to ignore the stderr. What I'm asking is if that's ok to ignore.
[15:06] <ogra_> as long as there is a proper filesystem on disk and it resized, yeah ignore it for now ... the whole GPT handling will change anyway
[15:07] <elopio> ack.
[15:34] <sergiusens> ogra_, elopio that error bust me too when doing the uflash PoC with the recvory image
[15:35] <ogra_> sergiusens, even when not resized ?
[15:36] <ogra_> hmm, livecd-rootfs doesnt have anything about subgid subuid ...
[15:41] <ogra_> sergiusens, aha ... bug 1475749 ... seems slangasek already fixed it in wily
[15:41] <sergiusens> ogra_, even when no resized (just when adding a partiton on top of something that already exists)
[15:42] <ogra_> sergiusens, ok, thats a general issue with the kvm GPT then ... funny that i dont see it here
[15:52] <elopio> happy anniversary dholbach!
[15:52] <ogra_> not yet :P
[15:52] <dholbach> thanks elopio :)
[15:52] <ogra_> but yeah, welcome to the ten-year-club dholbach :)
[15:53] <dholbach> thanks ogra_ :)
[16:04] <fgimenez> nice weekend everyone o/
[16:42] <slangasek> ogra_: bug #1475749> and in vivid-proposed, if you want to verify the fix
[16:42] <nothal> Bug #1475749: usermod --add-subuids fails for users not in /etc/passwd <Canonical System Image:New> <shadow (Ubuntu Vivid):Fix Committed> <http://launchpad.net/bugs/1475749>
[17:03] <ogra_> slangasek, thanks, will do
[17:12]  * Chipaca -> mostly EOW
[18:41] <sergiusens> ted, so back to stage-packages, either we do it like build-deps but put them in $TOPDIR/stage or grab them before each pull and it goes into $TOP/parts/$part/installdir (and conflicts managed with the filtering thing that needs to get done)
[18:44] <sergiusens> mvo, still around? if yes, do you know how the conflict resolution rules are for that 'packages' entry?
[18:51] <mvo> sergiusens: what packages entry exactly?
[18:52] <sergiusens> mvo, in the spec, at the very end
[19:04] <tedg> sergiusens: Sorry, I missed your message. Someone else already has "ted" on Freenode :-(
[19:05] <tedg> sergiusens: I like the idea of letting dpkg do the filtering, I think it knows more about what can overlap and what can't.
[19:13] <tedg> Seems like they haven't used it in 9 weeks though… getting close.
[19:41] <sergiusens> tedg, I'll need to take that one level higher the decision making process; for now pull/unpack are done before pull now
[19:44] <sergiusens> tedg, I'm going to see if I can make the plugin stage-packages part of the yaml in a clean way (maybe it will end up being what you want
[19:47] <tedg> sergiusens: Makes sense
[20:00] <sergiusens> tedg, do you have code for the pip plugin somewhere?
[20:11] <tedg> sergiusens: Pushed to here: lp:~ted/snapcraft/python-pip
[20:11] <tedg> Might be kinda hacked though
[20:11] <tedg> I was screwing with it trying to get it to work.
[20:12] <sergiusens> tedg, no worries
[20:46] <sergiusens> tedg, why don't you call pip install directly?
[20:47] <sergiusens> tedg, and another question, why not just do pip install from the build stage?
[20:47] <tedg> sergiusens: You mean by importing the module?
[20:47] <sergiusens> tedg, yeah
[20:47] <tedg> sergiusens: In that case it was a python2 vs 3 thing.
[20:47] <tedg> sergiusens: I was trying to keep things in pull for the LP builders.
[20:48] <tedg> sergiusens: I think we'd also have to have the module in the host system to include it? No?
[20:50] <sergiusens> tedg, for the lp builders, the lifecycle rolls over the comple cycle for a part before going to the next, so I'm not sure we can separate this at all without drastic changes
[20:50] <sergiusens> tedg and I don't grep that last line about includes :-)
[20:51] <tedg> sergiusens: I don't think it goes over the complete cycle if you just do "snapcraft pull" as a command, no?
[20:51] <tedg> sergiusens: I think it only does the complete cycle for each with all.
[20:52] <tedg> sergiusens: I was thinking that you don't want to install pip into the host system. But I guess you could, except for the potential python version mismatch.
[20:55] <sergiusens> tedg, ah, good point on calling 'snapcraft pull'
[20:55] <sergiusens> tedg, yeah, let's not install pip on the host :-)
[20:56] <sergiusens> tedg, but depending on python-pip brings in pip into the part
[21:13] <tedg> sergiusens: Seems like we need a way to specify build-deps vs. runtime deps I guess.
[21:14] <tedg> sergiusens: I could, for instance, have a python build system like Waf but not want python in my snap.
[21:15] <sergiusens> tedg, isn't that what filesets is for?
[21:15] <sergiusens> filesets/stage and filesets/snap respectively
[21:15] <tedg> sergiusens: Yeah, but then if you're talking about an ubuntu package you'd need to know all the files in the package.
[21:16] <tedg> sergiusens: We could perhaps auto-populate that.
[21:19] <sergiusens> tedg, I'd exclude by default, then again; the staging terminology in snapcraft is confusing
[21:19] <sergiusens> there are two stages in a stage it seems; the part stage and the general stage
[21:20] <tedg> Huh, I didn't realize that.
[21:21] <sergiusens> tedg, oh wait, nevermind
[21:23] <sergiusens> tedg, I had that stuck on my mind for a while and now I self settled it
[21:25] <tedg> Left brain vs. Right brain. Fight! ;-)
[21:26] <sergiusens> tedg, btw, this is why I asked about pip 'bin/python2: cannot import name IncompleteRead; 'pip' is a package and cannot be directly executed'
[21:27] <sergiusens> tedg, and calling pip directly pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: pip==1.5.6
[21:28] <tedg> sergiusens: I think that comes from the path issue, you need to be able to call the python2 binary that is installed so that you're using the right pip.
[21:29] <tedg> sergiusens: The environments weren't quite right for that. I'm not sure if we're going to have to go down to the full virtualenv path. I was hoping to avoid it though. Just to keep things simpler.
[21:30] <sergiusens> tedg, might be necessary; in any case I think I can say that with my latest MP you are unblocked :-)
[21:31] <sergiusens> I asked mvo to review the code on Monday as well (and to have him validate it against the spec).
[21:31] <sergiusens> I'm going to implement the fileset stuff now and table the plugin listing for now; there are some encapsulation and delegation of concern issues there if I want to top level it
[21:32] <tedg> sergiusens: Cool, I'll update on Monday. Oh, wait, Tuesday :-)
[21:32] <tedg> sergiusens: Thanks!


[00:49] <jdong_> if anyone has good "that's what she said" irclogs with context, a little side project of mine could benefit from it :)
[00:49] <Seeker`> jdong_: ?
[00:50] <jdong_> I figured some of you guys might have captured bad innuendos/jokes from the channels you idle in :)
[00:51] <jdong_> working on a machine-learning innuendo detector
[00:51] <Seeker`> bash.org?
[00:51] <Seeker`> qdb.us?
[00:51] <Pici> "Oooh, a sarcasm detector, what a useful invention"
[00:52] <nickrud> Pici, you should check your sarcasm at the door, thank you :)
[00:53] <nickrud> note the :) removes any sarcastic intent
[00:53] <Seeker`> nickrud: you don't say
[00:53] <jdong_> Pici: lol your statement was just a negative testcase for my detector
[00:53] <jdong_> which labeled it "moderately suggestive"
[00:53] <jdong_> right now it's kinda garbage-in garbage-out; I need a better input set
[00:53] <jdong_> (that's what she said)
[00:54] <nickrud> find a rodney dangerfield monolog jdong_
[01:00] <Seeker`> jdong_: uncyclopedia?
[01:01] <jdong_> LOL the script finds all of the TCP errnos suggestive
[01:01] <jdong_> no route to host
[01:01] <jdong_> connection timed out
[01:02] <Seeker`> "i'll host your route"
[01:03] <jdong_>  So I should do this "cpuburn" then?: That's what she said! [41.0694685727879]
[01:03] <jdong_> heh if you stare at any sentence long enough it becomes suggestive
[01:03] <Seeker`> if you stare at anything long enough it becomes suggestive
[01:04]  * nickrud eyes his coffee cup
[01:12] <Seeker`> fruchtix: how can we help you?
[01:12] <fruchtix> i need a mediation with Hobbsee
[01:12] <fruchtix> she told me to die. and that hurts my feelings
[01:12]  * Hobbsee prods nalioth
[01:13] <fruchtix> and now she seems to be begging nalioth for a mode
[01:13] <LjL> i'm not sure - can you have feelings when you're dead?
[01:13] <Seeker`> fruchtix: what leads you to that conclusion?
[01:13] <fruchtix> i think that is breaking the code of conduct
[01:13] <Hobbsee> LjL: you might want to point out that Paddy Frank is here ^
[01:13] <Hobbsee> to various staffers
[01:13] <fruchtix> see
[01:13] <fruchtix> point proven
[01:14] <fruchtix> she is giving false information only to get rid of me, after she was abusive in my private
[01:14] <Pici> er. Anyway.
[01:14] <fruchtix> so who is instructing Hobbsee to re-read the code of conduct that she signed?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> fruchtix: if you come in and harass me in PM, you deserve whatever you get.
[01:15] <fruchtix> its also breaking the network policy to tell people to die
[01:15] <fruchtix> i was harassing you? where?
[01:15] <fruchtix> and how does this justify to tell me to die?
[01:15]  * nalioth blinks
[01:16] <fruchtix> Hobbsee: is it possible that you dont know well how to handle anger and other feelings and emotions?
[01:16] <fruchtix> and why do i have to sufffer from that?
[01:16] <nickrud> fruchtix, enough with the 'have I stopped beating my wife' statements
[01:16] <fruchtix> i would like to know
[01:16] <fruchtix> nickrud: excuse me?
[01:17] <fruchtix> are you making fun of me because a woman is abusing me as man?
[01:17] <nickrud> fruchtix, I've seen nothing from either of you that gives grounds for any position from an op.
[01:17] <Seeker`> i've seen a lot of accusations
[01:17] <LjL> fruchtix: http://www.google.com/search?q=have+you+stopped+beating+your+wife&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[01:17] <nickrud> but no evidence
[01:17] <fruchtix> lets start from scratch. i asked for a mediation
[01:17] <LjL> an entry entitled something akin to "logical fallacies" should be first
[01:18] <fruchtix> then Hobbsee comes in and provides false information so nalioth pushes the k-line button
[01:18] <fruchtix> are you with me so far?
[01:18] <nalioth> fruchtix: obviously, it wasn't successful.  please get to the point
[01:18] <nickrud> fruchtix, nope.   There's also evidence in #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-devel.  Have a good day people!
[01:18] <fruchtix> the point (for a start) is: [02:10] [privmsg] <Hobbsee> die.
[01:19] <LjL> i say that to my bots sometimes
[01:19] <nalioth> the what?
[01:19] <LjL> although mostly i just kill -9 them
[01:19] <fruchtix> i dont think its time for lame jokes
[01:19] <LjL> but i do!
[01:20] <fruchtix> do you also make fun of yourself when you were just abused by a female person who is failed to understand her own feelings and emotions aswell as showing disrespect of other people?
[01:20] <nalioth> fruchtix: w/o a full set of logs from both of you, i don't see any problem here
[01:21] <LjL> fruchtix: uhm... let me think about that
[01:21] <LjL> not sure it happened to me overly often
[01:21] <LjL> but - yes, the answer is yes
[01:21] <fruchtix> i see a problem with a violation of the code of conduct within the ubuntu community, not sure how that affects the freenode staff. it was hobbsee who was begging for your attention
[01:21] <nalioth> fruchtix: got logs?
[01:22] <fruchtix> [02:14] * Hobbsee (n=hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee) has joined #ubuntu-ops
[01:22] <fruchtix> [02:14] * ChanServ gives voice to Hobbsee
[01:22] <fruchtix> [02:14] <fruchtix> i need a mediation with Hobbsee
[01:22] <fruchtix> [02:14] <fruchtix> she told me to die. and that hurts my feelings
[01:22] <fruchtix> [02:14] * Hobbsee prods nalioth
[01:22] <fruchtix> [02:14] <fruchtix> and now she seems to be begging nalioth for a mode
[01:22] <fruchtix> [02:15] <LjL> i'm not sure - can you have feelings when you're dead?
[01:22] <fruchtix> [02:15] <Seeker`> fruchtix: what leads you to that conclusion?
[01:22] <fruchtix> [02:15] <fruchtix> i think that is breaking the code of conduct
[01:22] <fruchtix> [02:15] <Hobbsee> LjL: you might want to point out that Paddy Frank is here ^
[01:22] <LjL> he didn't mean *these* logs.
[01:22] <fruchtix> [02:15] <Hobbsee> to various staffers
[01:22] <LjL> we *have* these logs.
[01:22] <nalioth> fruchtix: you have  10 minutes to get your facts together
[01:22] <LjL> i hope you can type fast
[01:22] <ajmitch> we could always dig up the discussions in #ubuntu-devel & #ubuntu-motu
[01:23] <Pici> Well then.
[01:25] <nickrud> timing is everything
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hm?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> Is there anything constructive goign on here?
[01:25] <nickrud> joining minutes after fruchtix parted
[01:25] <Hobbsee> ahhh, lovely
[01:25] <Pici> Unfortunately, no.
[01:25] <Pici> Or fortunately, depending on your view.
[01:25] <nickrud> fortunately, no.
[01:25] <Hobbsee> that must explain why he's gone back to PMing me
[01:26] <ajmitch> now he's insulting me in private
[01:26] <nalioth> Hobbsee: fructhix got a 10 minute quiet for pasting crap here
[01:26] <Pici> >:[
[01:26] <ajmitch> what a wonderful person
[01:26] <Hobbsee> ah, lovely
[01:26] <nalioth> Hobbsee: if you have logs of the incident he is referring to, that'd be great
[01:31]  * nickrud wonders why he never gets these insults in private, only in public
[01:32] <ajmitch> nickrud: no idea, I only said 1 thing in here
[01:32] <ajmitch> he seemed to take it personally
[01:32] <nickrud> ajmitch, possibly the one thing that worried him; a trail
[01:32] <nalioth> this isn't worth the electrons to print on the screen
[01:33] <LjL> no worries
[01:33] <LjL> i has LCD!
[01:33] <nalioth> y'all can feel free to invite him back here
[01:33] <nickrud> but I'm bored (no work at the moment and can't take up help in ubuntu cuz he might have to leave without notice) and this is the only game in town :(
[01:33] <LjL> is that an invitation to mass-invite him?
[01:33] <LjL> because i'm ready
[01:33] <nalioth> up to you
[01:33] <nickrud> got logs?
[01:34] <nickrud> LjL, ^^
[01:34] <Pici> Where were going, we don't need logs.
[01:34] <LjL> Pici: does there exist such a sad place that doesn't need logs?
[01:34] <LjL> or perhaps i meant non-sad
[01:34] <nickrud> now now, professionalism first
[01:34] <LjL> i confuse them sometimes
[01:35] <Pici> LjL: I'm not sure, my Back to The Future reference was obviously missed.
[01:38] <nickrud> the banlist is _still_ full?
[01:38] <jrib> yeah...
[01:38] <Pici> again!?
[01:38] <nalioth> because nobody checks their bans every 24 hours
[01:38] <Pici> I knocked 30some bans off the other day
[01:38] <nalioth> it's "fire and forget"
[01:39] <LjL> hold on a second...
[01:39] <LjL> last time i was here, there were almost no exploit victims
[01:39] <Pici> And now that we're all checking the BT, the database is locked.
[01:39] <nickrud> I've got 4 active, all commented. I guess I can release the oldest two ...
[01:39] <LjL> has the exploit made some resurgence?
[01:39] <LjL> Pici: don't look at me, i'm not checking it.
[01:39] <Pici> LjL: I know not you
[01:40] <LjL> i've just removed some of the floodbot ones
[01:41] <Pici> LjL: I went through the /bans list and removed anything from the bots that wasn't a forward.
[01:41] <LjL> Pici: eh... but the ones i removed weren't forwards, unless my prescription seriously needs updating
[01:41] <Pici> LjL: I know, those are just from the last few days.
[01:42] <LjL> ah, yeah
[01:42] <nalioth> LjL: a new set of variables has emerged but the effect is the same
[01:42] <LjL> well there's no bans from me so not much more than that i can do
[01:42] <LjL> aside from fix the code in the floodbots that is supposed to warn when the banlist is about to become full
[01:42] <LjL> but i don't feel like doing that
[01:43] <nickrud> some of those years old bans, are they still relevant?  <- Someone messed up with commands they didn't really know how to use
[01:55] <LjL> "It should all clear from here on in" <- We've hit the culprit with a stick and they won't do it again
[01:55] <Pici> I said it was the '/kill services' command
[01:55] <LjL> how's my staffspeak translation skills?
[01:55] <Pici> Sounds accurate to me
[01:56] <nickrud> dang, let the guy have a little self respect left ;)
[02:06] <Seeker`> was it Dave?
[02:06] <Seeker`> (sorry Dave)
[04:26] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud How does this look...  http://paste.ubuntu.com/122188/
[04:27] <nickrud> good; when you add menu.lst to it
[04:27] <nickrud> oh well
[04:28] <Flannel> sources.list?  Also, all the .d files
[04:29] <nickrud> yes, device.map and a listing of /boot . With that info, a plurality of questions can be answered, I think
[04:29]  * nickrud wonders why he gave me 30 sec to look
[05:08] <tritium> How's it going, Flannel?
[05:10] <Flannel> tritium: Pretty good.  Still somewhat recovering from the weekend.
[05:10] <tritium> Busy bug jamming?
[05:10] <Flannel> Nah, SCaLE
[05:10] <Flannel> well, we had a bugjam at SCaLE, but
[05:10] <tritium> Oh, how did it go?
[05:11] <Flannel> That was the quiet half of our presence there.
[05:11] <Flannel> Good, good.  I don't have numbers, but we passed out around 150 CDs over the weekend.  Which means people probably got something like 250.  Since Canonical was there handing out CDs too.  I wonder if they'd be able to tell us how many they passed out.
[05:12] <tritium> That's great.  :)
[05:12] <Flannel> Bug Jam didn't go so hot though.  Which, I sort of thought it wouldn't.  People don't really go to a conference and then decide "oh, I'll do bugwork"  Although we were hoping we'd get some people interested in learning how to do bugwork, or even better, learning how to run their own bugjam.
[05:13] <tritium> Well, at least you tried.
[05:13] <Flannel> Yeah.  The organizers really wanted to see it, and so did jcastro.  Luckily we had plenty of people to pull both off
[05:14] <tritium> Good deal.
[06:04] <Flannel> whos awake with -ot?
[08:01]  * Myrtti yawns
[08:02]  * Gary gets Myrtti coffee
[08:08] <Myrtti> to that URL that Jack_Sparrow gave
[08:08] <Myrtti> I'd add sudo lshw
[08:11] <Myrtti> LjL: the Floodbots warn about banevasions on non-existing bans
[08:11] <Myrtti> @bansearch Cyntek
[08:12] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[08:13] <Myrtti> though that is a valid ban... according to bantracker, still valid
[08:18] <Myrtti><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is a ban that's been removed in Dec 06 2008 14:19:35, still the bots warn about ban evasion
[08:40] <Myrtti> wow
[08:41] <Myrtti> laconi.ca is going to develop into a kickass twitter killer
[08:58] <Dave2> Seeker`, nah, the only thing I've managed to do is bring down the network. *hides*
[09:00] <Myrtti> @bansearch Like
[09:07] <Myrtti> watch out for Like...
[09:07] <Myrtti> he seems to be giving advice that are misinformed or downright wrong
[09:19] <Myrtti> I have a feeling that hotbaby1 is impersonating a female to get help or to joke around, but I might be wrong
[09:25] <Myrtti> yeah, most definitely
[09:26] <ikonia> @bansearch dash84
[09:27] <ikonia> fntastic
[09:27] <ikonia> fan
[09:27] <Myrtti> tastic.
[09:28] <Myrtti> he's going to get it from me soon
[09:28] <ikonia> I'm triggered
[09:29] <dash84> any ops available here?
[09:29] <dash84> i need help with something
[09:29] <Myrtti> surprisingly for a channel named #ubuntu-ops... yes
[09:29] <dash84> well i didnt know if it was just an idling room
[09:30] <dash84> lol...
[09:30] <dash84> anyways i need help with something
[09:30] <dash84> are you an op?
[09:30] <Myrtti> how about if you cough up your question and we'll see if I can help you
[09:31] <dash84> i got banned
[09:31] <dash84> and i want to get unbanned
[09:31] <Myrtti> that's how these things go in all the #ubuntu channels
[09:32] <dash84> so can i get any help on that?
[09:32] <Myrtti> depends on what channel you were banned, who banned you and what did you do to get banned
[09:32] <dash84> well
[09:32] <dash84> i was being a jerk
[09:32] <dash84> in
[09:32] <dash84> kubuntu-offtopic
[09:33] <ikonia> from what I see you've been removed from multiple ubuntu channels, multiple times
[09:33] <ikonia> it appears you don't seem to learn from your behaviour mistakes
[09:33] <dash84> nah.
[09:34] <dash84> just once
[09:34] <dash84> i didnt think people would get pissy in an offtopic room
[09:34] <ikonia> no
[09:34] <dash84> i got kicked
[09:34] <dash84> then about 30 minutes later i got banned
[09:35] <ikonia> you got kicked twice on the same day
[09:35] <ikonia> from the same channel
[09:35] <dash84> eh
[09:35] <ikonia> what part am I not making clear ?
[09:36] <ikonia> on the same day - you got removed twice from the channel and banned ?
[09:36] <dash84> i hear you man
[09:36] <dash84> i just dont see why this cant be worked out
[09:36] <ikonia> of course it can
[09:36] <ikonia> but I don't see why you didn't learn on your first ban
[09:36] <ikonia> first kick sorry
[09:36] <ikonia> was that not a hint that people would not welcome your behaviour in offtopic channels ?
[09:37] <dash84> i didnt really think there was a higher consequence
[09:37] <ikonia> ooh so as long as there are no-consequnces carry on
[09:37] <dash84> i mean, i know the possibility of being banned, but its not like i was really going out of my way to be obnoxious
[09:37] <ikonia> rather than stop because you where asked to
[09:37] <elky> dash84, you were trolling #ubuntu-offtopic exactly 24hrs ago, and got removed at least once that i saw.
[09:37] <ikonia> you knew the consiequences so kept going
[09:37] <dash84> even though some might have seen it that way, i could be way too sarcastic at times
[09:37] <ikonia> fair enough then -
[09:38] <ikonia> I'm leaving this for the person who banned you.
[09:38] <ikonia> I don't find your reasoning acceptable
[09:38] <ikonia> more so looking at your behaviour in #ubuntu a few minutes ago
[09:38] <elky> dash84, you're trying to excuse your behaviour, not change it. that will not get you anywhere in life
[09:39] <dash84> nah, you kind of have things misconscrewed or something
[09:39] <dash84> im not so used to the whole rules thing on irc
[09:39] <Myrtti> dash84: rule 1
[09:39] <Myrtti> "kick is not an invite"
[09:40] <Myrtti> dash84: rule 2
[09:40] <elky> !guidelines
[09:40] <dash84> yeah im aware.
[09:40] <elky> read those
[09:40] <Myrtti> "when someone says you to stop, you stop"
[09:40] <elky> Myrtti, rule 2 applies to most things in life
[09:40] <Myrtti> rule 3: "play nice, or play elsewhere"
[09:41] <elky> Myrtti, rule 3b: "our sandpit, our toys, our rules"
[09:42] <Myrtti> dash84: the thing is, that there's lots of different kind of people in Ubuntu IRC channels
[09:42] <dash84> yeah, i guess you could figure that out on the cover for a ubuntu cd.
[09:43] <Myrtti> dash84: and you have to act accordingly, to fit your behaviour to be the same it would be in, say, middle of a PG rated family get together.
[09:43] <Myrtti> there are people from Europe, Asia, US, kids, elderly, adults.
[09:43] <Myrtti> just to name few
[09:44] <dash84> yeah i get what you're saying
[09:46] <dash84> as for me caring about anyone's place of residence i really don't
[09:46] <dash84> :/
[09:46] <Myrtti> hmmmmm... let me dig a quote...
[09:48] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122302/
[09:48] <Myrtti> I find that attitude somewhat disturbing
[09:49] <Myrtti> gosh, I need coffee before it's noon.
[09:49] <Myrtti> brb
[09:49] <ikonia> thats just offensive and threatening
[09:49] <elky> yeah, i dont think i want someone who thinks like that in #*ubuntu*
[09:50] <dash84> eh, im not really one to flame off but i thought some people would get a laugh out of it
[09:50] <dash84> its a george carlin skit.
[09:50] <elky> and if was to threaten your mother, could i call that a fiftycent skit and get out of jail?
[09:50] <ikonia> no - it's offensive and rude
[09:52] <dash84> i really dont see that as threatening
[09:52] <dash84> if you could elaborate on it a little more maybe i'd get what you're saying
[09:52] <ikonia> dash84: We got the bombs
[09:52] <ikonia> eg: we are the power
[09:53] <elky> telling someone they do not count in the world is foul enough
[09:53] <Myrtti> dash84: george carlin who? (in reality I do know who george carlin is. he's the guy in ... Bill and Ted movies.)
[09:53] <dash84> not george carlin
[09:53] <dash84> bill hicks, sorry.
[09:53] <Myrtti> oh, that I've never heard.
[09:54] <ikonia> that's not bill hicks
[09:54] <elky> never heard of him
[09:54] <ikonia> bill hiscks never said that
[09:54] <dash84> ever heard his cds?
[09:54] <dash84> of course he says that man.
[09:54] <ikonia> elky: satire political comment - who never said that
[09:54] <ikonia> dash84: I own them all
[09:54] <Myrtti> dash84: can you see the problem now?
[09:54] <ikonia> s/comment/comic
[09:55] <Myrtti> you're assuming people know some random comedians skits. most of this world has never heard of george carlin or bill hicks.
[09:55] <Myrtti> making jokes like that doesn't really hit the spot in multicultural environment
[09:57] <elky> especially since some of the people in that channel live in areas where they hear bombs go off on a nightly basis.
[10:00] <Myrtti> of course I could start the classic jokes about a Finn, a Swede and a Norwegian...
[10:00] <Myrtti> but I assume my friend Nafallo here might take offense.
[10:00] <ikonia> the problem was the other user wasn't joking
[10:00] <ikonia> she was having a discussion
[10:00] <Myrtti> which makes things even worse.
[10:00] <ikonia> so to be shot down with an insult which actually looks a bit like a threat
[10:01] <ikonia> everyone can joke, but it's clear that was a discussion
[10:01] <Myrtti> COFFEE!
[10:01] <Myrtti> BAH
[10:01] <Myrtti> it's noon already
[10:01] <Myrtti> damnit
[10:01] <Myrtti> FAIL
[10:01] <dash84> noon?
[10:02] <ikonia> dash84: I'd suggest you join some irc channels for a day or so and just get an idea of how channels can varey and how things can be taken by people
[10:02] <ikonia> dash84: it's useul to see what people do then releate it to the ubuntu guidelines elky sent you
[10:02] <ikonia> (I've found it useful)
[10:02] <dash84> all right
[10:03] <Myrtti> dash84: yes, noon.
[10:03] <dash84> so i guess its safe to assume i wont be getting unbanned
[10:03] <Myrtti> 2009-02-24 12:03:03
[10:03] <ikonia> after all thats said - thats your response
[10:03] <Myrtti> unless you can come up with a better response
[10:04] <Myrtti> we're really not trying to bully you, we're trying to tell you where you went wrong
[10:04] <Myrtti> bans are very, very rarely meant to be permanent
[10:05] <dash84> yeah i understand where i went wrong, and thinking about it from time to time yesterday i kind of felt bad about it, considering i used to actually have OP in an IRC room yearssss ago, i didnt really get excited about getting banned for bad behavior
[10:06] <elky> that's really not a good response at all
[10:06] <dash84> i know i got pretty annoying and rude, i just didnt think it would be such a serious concern
[10:06] <elky> still not a good response
[10:07] <dash84> most people i talk to in rooms could take a sarcastic diss
[10:07] <Myrtti> and I can tell you from years of experience
[10:08] <dash84> not saying what i did was ok, but its not like i was really going out of my way to offend someone, either by race,religion or otherwise
[10:09] <Myrtti> in Ubuntu channels, most of the people don't speak English as their native language, and about one fifth (minimum) couldn't tell sarcasm from particle physics because of that language barrier.
[10:09] <dash84> yeah i get what you're saying
[10:10] <ikonia> dash84: how can you have been an op - yet tell us your new to irc rules ?
[10:10] <dash84> im used to channels with not too many rules
[10:11] <dash84> different channels have different rules
[10:11] <dash84> you go on 2600 and you could drop a million f bombs and no one will care.
[10:11] <ikonia> but you understand rules and how to manage them, if you have done op duties
[10:11] <dash84> yeah
[10:11] <ikonia> dash84: so I'm not clear why if you knew the rules, and knew the consiquences (more so as an ex-op) you kept going ?
[10:11] <ikonia> that doesn't really make sense ?
[10:12] <dash84> even though i used to just ban spammers and people that idled/didnt share files
[10:12] <ikonia> so - that still means you understand how to police a channel, rules and their consiequences
[10:13] <ikonia> yet you got kicked and less than 30 minutes later came back and carried on ?
[10:13] <dash84> i thought there was a 3rd strike law
[10:13] <ikonia> that seems quite a backwards approach for someone who has been involve in irc at a moderator level
[10:13] <dash84> like california
[10:13] <ikonia> why did you need a second strike
[10:13] <dash84> what do you really want to hear man, that i have down-syndrome and bad short-term memory
[10:13] <ikonia> why did you not respect the people kicking you ? or other people in the channel
[10:14] <ikonia> dash84: o you have down-syndrome and a short term memory ?
[10:14] <ikonia> do
[10:14] <dash84> nah
[10:14] <dash84> but im pretty adhd
[10:14] <ikonia> dash84: so why make that comment
[10:14] <dash84> and have been diagnosed bi-polar
[10:14] <elky> 90% of us are adhd
[10:14] <dash84> if that really matters
[10:14] <ikonia> no, it doesn't
[10:14] <ikonia> and to be honest based on your comments I personally wouldn't believe you
[10:15] <dash84> im on disability right now.
[10:15] <dash84> otherwise i'd be sleeping to go to work in the morning
[10:15] <dash84> like i used to
[10:15] <ikonia> that has no reference here
[10:15] <elky> mental illness is not a free pass to misbehave. i find people who try to use it as such to be quite reprehensible
[10:16] <dash84> i never said it was
[10:16] <ikonia> I suggest you follow the advice given here and come back when you feel you have a better understanding of how to behave
[10:16] <ikonia> yoru comments in here don't really fit in with your "I understand" comments
[10:16] <ikonia> you just seem interested in getting unbanned now, this exact second
[10:17] <ikonia> (in my personal view)
[10:17] <elky> mine too
[10:17] <dash84> well if that happened you probably wouldn't regret doing that
[10:18] <dash84> but i could wait
[10:18] <dash84> brb
[10:18] <ikonia> if what happened ?
[10:20] <elky> if he got his way
[10:22] <ikonia> well, I'd suggest he use a day or two to observe the other channels, and relate them to the ubuntu guidelines
[10:22] <ikonia> then come back here
[10:23] <ikonia> dash84: is your real named "Jesus" as your irc client suggests ?
[10:24] <dash84> yes
[10:24] <dash84> thats my first name
[10:25] <ikonia> how unusual
[10:26] <ikonia> dash84: well, from my point of view, I suggest you check out some other channels to gauge how things go and how the behaviour your see applies/does not apply to the ubuntu guidelines
[10:26] <dash84> my first name is unusual?
[10:26] <dash84> see i could find that offensive but im not going to even try
[10:27] <ikonia> dash84: quite uncommon
[10:27] <dash84> not in the hispanic community
[10:27] <ikonia> dash84: please don't take that sort of pathetic argument to prove your point
[10:27] <ikonia> dash84: yes, I've seen it a few times in the spanish community
[10:28] <ikonia> dash84: I'll be blunt - the reason I asked is "jesus" is a common IRC name amongst internet trolls along with "god" - and your behaviour has no been great, so I asked if that was your real name
[10:29] <elky> ikonia, it's common among turing bots too. speaking of, did that weird thing return again or not?
[10:29] <ikonia> if you find someone asking if your irc name is your real name offensive - I suggest you don't use IRC, if your doing it to try to make a an agrument, you are clearly not understanding what is being said in here and making your ban look more and more valid
[10:30] <dash84> from what i know trolling is a new term for when people are usually friends with a majority of people in a chatroom (which i have no common relationship with anyone on this irc server) and start bullying people for chere pleasure of showing off
[10:30] <elky> dash84, trolling is not a new term, or a new concept
[10:30] <ikonia> dash84: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
[10:30] <elky> and you have got the definition completely wrong
[10:30] <ikonia> not unlike your behaviour
[10:31] <dash84> the only trolling as a term that im familiar with is the combination of mdma & ecstasy (hence; tripping & rolling)
[10:31] <ikonia> dash84: I think this discussion should probably end now
[10:31] <ikonia> dash84: we've seen your current stance and provided you information
[10:31] <elky> indeed
[10:31] <ikonia> dash84: what you choose to do with it is your call
[10:31] <topyli> based on dash84's behavior when i set the ban, and current one, i do not recommend lifting the ban right now. i'm a bit busy here at the office, just chiming in an opinion quickly
[10:32] <ikonia> topyli: ahhh you where marked as away, I should have pinged you
[10:32] <topyli> i just came back :)
[10:32] <dash84> well can i hang out in here in the mean time
[10:33] <dash84> maybe it'll help me out with my ubuntu irc social skills
[10:33] <ikonia> dash84: this channel has a no idle policy
[10:33] <ikonia> !idle | dash84
[10:34] <dash84> now i feel like more of a jerk :[
[10:34] <Myrtti> unfortunately we don't have any other ticket system for this channel :-(
[10:35] <dash84> how about, if i write an essay on why people should behave themselves when communicating with people on internet groups
[10:35] <dash84> would that maybe lift my ban?
[10:35] <ikonia> dash84: your not getting it
[10:35] <elky> depends on how it turns out
[10:35] <ikonia> dash84: it's not a "test"
[10:36] <dash84> i know man
[10:36] <ikonia> dash84: you don't buy your way back in
[10:36] <dash84> but i feel pretty bad about what happened
[10:36] <ikonia> dash84: then follow the advice given
[10:36] <dash84> and i feel i could really make up for my actions
[10:36] <ikonia> dash84: there is nothing to make up for, just follow the advice given
[10:36] <elky> ikonia, let him demonstrate without just bouncing back what he thinks we want to know. if he can provide properly structured information, then it might contribute.
[10:36] <ikonia> ok
[10:37] <dash84> if i follow the advice given, how is it going to help me lift this ban?
[10:37] <dash84> lol
[10:37] <dash84> ill still feel bad
[10:37] <dash84> i wanted to apologize to the people i may have offended
[10:37] <elky> dash84, it will act as an indicator to whether you really understand.
[10:37] <ikonia> it's clear he doesn't
[10:37] <ikonia> dash84: we have just spent 30 minutes discussing this with you
[10:38] <ikonia> and you still don't understand how following the advice given will help get the ban lifted
[10:38] <dash84> yes i do understand, but i really would like a second chance
[10:38] <ikonia> then follow the advice
[10:38] <dash84> in any case i could get banned again
[10:38] <dash84> its not like im going to be a troll
[10:38] <ikonia> what part is not being made clear ?
[10:38] <ikonia> if you follow the advice given to you - you won't get banned again
[10:38] <elky> dash84, please stop.
[10:39] <dash84> the thing is, in other rooms here, you have to stay on the topic of operating systems/pc
[10:39] <dash84> in offtopic, well you could stay offtopic without someone getting upset
[10:39] <elky> dash84, please stop.
[10:40] <dash84> whatever, now i just feel like im being harassed, ill just stop, thanks for the talk anyways you guys have a good night all right
[10:40] <dash84> peace
[10:40] <Myrtti> in the end, I still think that was quite painless.
[10:41]  * elky puts a pillow between ikonia's head and desk.
[10:41] <ikonia> too late
[10:41] <elky> hehe
[10:41] <Myrtti> he could have been banevading
[11:10]  * Myrtti considers banforwarding JanC to ##fix_your_connection
[11:14] <elky> meh, it's no frequent enough
[11:18] <Myrtti> you think?
[11:24] <Myrtti> !release
[11:56] <elky> well, do you?
[11:56] <Myrtti> not anymore ;-)
[12:25] <Myrtti> topyli: cursing is allowed at -fi-ot?
[12:25] <Myrtti> X-|
[12:25] <topyli> no!
[12:25] <topyli> afaik
[12:26] <Myrtti> I was there for a while
[12:26] <Myrtti> the activity made me want to strangle someone
[12:26] <Myrtti> that was sometime before Christmas
[12:27] <topyli> it's mostly nice
[12:56] <bazhang> kde 4.2 is now in backports?
[12:57] <Myrtti> should be, I think I saw discussion about it in -release
[12:57] <bazhang> k thanks
[12:57] <bazhang> perhaps the topic in #kubuntu should reflect that
[12:58] <Myrtti> I'm not sure though
[13:47] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: I'd add sudo lshw to that...
[13:47] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: though, my opinion is my opinion
[13:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Exactly.. just your opinion.. Which I happen to value.. :)
[13:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Godd morning from me, nini to you eh
[13:48] <Myrtti> it's not yet 1600 :-P
[13:49] <Myrtti> still a full hour of office time left
[13:51] <Jack_Sparrow> My home and office hours blur together
[13:57] <Jack_Sparrow> I am thinking I want lshw to require command line option to include it.. and possibly change pastebin to opt in and not opt out
[14:01] <Myrtti> aarrgghhh the logical fallacies
[14:01] <Myrtti> my head hurts
[14:26] <bazhang> I'm guessing that grow as apple is sp0rtily
[14:26] <Myrtti> @bansearch grow-as-apple
[14:27] <bazhang> same weird language pecularities, and the stalkerish behaviour
[14:29] <topyli> grow-as-apple is a familiar entity. might as well ban
[14:29] <bazhang> ultra creepy imo
[14:30] <topyli> one of those trolls who never break a rule you can put a finger on but annoy everybody
[14:31] <Myrtti> serverloft and <IP_ADDRESS> are both on german soil
[14:32] <Myrtti> not enough proof though
[14:32] <bazhang> mc44 connected the two awhile back
[14:33] <Myrtti> <IP_ADDRESS> is russian...
[14:33] <topyli> last time i talked to grow-as-apple, he was russian suffering from bad bandwidth and lack of brain
[14:34] <topyli> he did have valid questions about mobile broadband but swiftly moved to offensive stuff when seeing a chance
[16:25] <topyli> Tm_T: do you have ops on -fi? would you like to have a look at kalle?
[16:31] <Pricey> Anything interesting?
[16:31] <Tm_T> nothing anymore, thanks (:
[16:31] <Tm_T> should have nodded here too, my bad
[16:32] <Tm_T> people, keep your eyes open for paulo_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:32] <Tm_T> might come to some channels and spam and be hostile
[16:38] <Tm_T> trappist: welcome, I noticed you're #kubuntu op these days
[16:39] <trappist> yeah, have been for a while... I'm mostly idle, though, and don't use the @ very often
[16:39] <Tm_T> trappist: that's only positive if you don't have to use op status
[16:39] <trappist> right :)
[16:39] <trappist> it's more often because somebody else is faster
[16:41] <trappist> anyway for a few months I was *very* active on #kubuntu, launchpad, etc., and got busy since then so I mostly lurk
[16:42] <Tm_T> trappist: time to be more active then, son
[16:44] <trappist> Yeah, yeah :)  I was mostly scratching my own itches, dealing with amd64-specific bugs and whatnot.  I still subscribe to and try to help on bugs I care about, but other than that, life got pretty busy.
[16:45] <Tm_T> that's the nature of life at times indeed
[16:47] <trappist> it would take a while anyway, I think, to ramp up to being a useful contributor in kde4.  I was just getting my head around 3 when it went away.
[16:48] <trappist> and I was contributing to beryl, and now I barely even recognize compiz :)
[16:48] <Tm_T> haha
[16:49] <trappist> so, if I've missed anything major in the last year or about changes to channel policy, now might be a good time to catch me up
[16:49] <trappist> *year or so
[17:37] <jussi01> any of our friendly finns around? topyli Myrtti Tm_T? what does "sateessa" mean?
[17:39] <trappist> I think it's a gangstafied plural insult spelled backwards
[17:39] <jussi01> trappist: rofl
[18:41] <Myrtti> jussi01: in rain
[18:41] <jussi01> ahh :) thanks
[18:54] <Myrtti> lol
[18:54] <Myrtti> what do I see
[18:55] <Myrtti> groovyOrange aka grow-as-apple has just shown the connection
[18:55] <Myrtti> @bansearch groovyOrange
[18:55]  * Pici waits
[18:55] <Myrtti> LIES
[18:55] <Pici> @bansearch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:56]  * Pici shrugs
[18:57] <Myrtti> @bansearch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:57] <Myrtti> fine...
[18:58] <Myrtti> it's there though
[18:58] <Pici> I believe you
[18:59]  * Myrtti watches
[19:04] <Mez> bot can be removed from ubuntu-uk-bugjam now if you want
[20:36]  * Myrtti flips
[20:37]  * Pici flops
[20:41]  * Myrtti stares -offtopic
[20:41] <jdong_> Pici: I wish I had that bot in here :P
[20:44] <Myrtti> I'm convinced groovyOrange is grow-as-apple, but the link between grow-as-apple to sportily is hazy at best in my knowledge
[20:52]  * Mez is upgrading his desktop via SSH due to it being broken and not finding his keyboard/mouse
[20:55] <Myrtti> someone help me, I'm about to slap someone complaining about Ubuntu not being ready for production environments and telling Mac OS X is the only one with no problems with "Why don't you use Mac OS X then and stop complaining"
[20:56] <Pici> Myrtti: Is it mikem?
[20:56] <Myrtti> no
[20:56] <ikonia> note - pop79 now using nick AndrzejL1
[20:56] <Myrtti> are you sure it's him
[20:57] <ikonia> %90
[20:57] <ikonia> there we go he quit as soon as I joined his channels
[20:57] <ikonia> back now
[21:03]  * Myrtti is ready to pull her hair off
[21:06] <Seeker`> off?!
[21:06] <Seeker`> not out?!
[21:07]  * Pici sighs
[21:07] <Seeker`> maxb: how can we help you?
[21:08] <Pici> scizzo-: How can we help?
[21:08] <scizzo-> Pici: o sorry...I was just curious
[21:08] <scizzo-> nice to ask right away...thank you
[21:08] <maxb> Someone was asking on #ubuntu-classroom for unbanning from #ubuntu, I have gueded them here
[21:08] <scizzo-> I will leave now...thanks again
[21:08] <maxb> *guided
[21:08] <Seeker`> maxb: ok, if there isn't anything you need, please part
[21:08] <oly562> can someone unban me from #ubuntu
[21:09] <oly562> its been 2 months
[21:09] <oly562> yes, guided lol
[21:09] <Pici> oly562: do you remember why you were banned?
[21:10] <oly562> not really
[21:10] <oly562> its been 2 months
[21:10] <oly562> nothing malicious
[21:11] <oly562> some op had some tude for no apparent reason... reference the logs for 2 months ago,, its in there
[21:11] <oly562> Flannel:
[21:11] <oly562> lift the ban i need some ubuntu help today
[21:11] <oly562> i just noticed him lol
[21:11] <ikonia> oly562: calm down please
[21:13] <oly562> ikonia: what are you talking about? you must be related to flannel
[21:14] <ikonia> ok - I think we are getting a picture of the attitude now
[21:14] <oly562> this is exactly what happend before
[21:14] <ikonia> someone asked you politley to do something and you get funny with them
[21:14] <oly562> some jerk said something that wasnt called for, directly at me for whatever cheesy reason, and then im banned
[21:14] <oly562> blah... that bs and you know it
[21:14] <oly562> that wasnt politely
[21:15] <Flannel> oly562: You were originally banned for being offtopic in #ubuntu, if I remember correctly.
[21:15] <ikonia> "calm down please" is not polite ?
[21:15] <oly562> nor was i in need of calming down, and how do you gauge .. yes thats what a cop says.. how do you gauge what one says in a chat room
[21:16] <oly562> not even necessary for you to day say anything,,, like that to me...
[21:16] <oly562> i may type fast, thats about it
[21:16] <ikonia> juding from your attitude in here and flip out nature to a polite request I don't see there is any reason to unban you
[21:16] <oly562> your in no position to judge me
[21:16] <oly562> your just some yahoo with perms
[21:16] <oly562> you are over stepping your power
[21:16] <oly562> and you damn well know it
[21:16] <oly562> so....
[21:16] <Pici> oly562: Please stop.
[21:17] <oly562> id like to be taken off the ban list for #ubuntu
[21:17] <nalioth> oly562: most bans don't last 24h
[21:18] <Pici> Flannel: The listing in the BT is a bit sparse for this, care to provide some more information?
[21:18] <oly562> you can reference the chat of 2 months ago, just grep my nic
[21:18] <nalioth> if you are still banned after that, come back and see us  :)
[21:18] <Pici> nalioth: The ban was placed in November according to the BT
[21:18] <oly562> whats BT
[21:18] <oly562> ?
[21:18] <Flannel> Pici: There was stuff in a query. let me take a gander.
[21:18] <Pici> oly562: bantracker.
[21:18] <oly562> thanks
[21:18] <oly562> oh there you are flannel
[21:19] <Pici> My personal logs for then are not available on the host I'm connected to now.
[21:19] <nalioth> attitude is everything.
[21:19] <Flannel> Pici: It was October 27?
[21:19] <oly562> id like to point out this op has picked on me personally, yet others in the room said worse than me, yet... i was banned
[21:19] <Flannel> Or, after that?
[21:19] <oly562> how is that fair? explain...
[21:19] <ikonia> oly562: he just asked you to stay on topic a few times
[21:19] <Pici> Flannel: search for the host on the BT, its Nov 3
[21:19] <oly562> you have banned me quite a few times for asking questions, and getting retarded responses...
[21:20] <oly562> um,,, on topic, whatever i talk about it nix related, unless pushed....
[21:20] <ikonia> oly562: your not helping yourself with you attitude in here
[21:20] <oly562> case in point
[21:20] <ikonia> oly562: ubuntu is not unix/linux related channel
[21:20] <ikonia> oly562: it's for ubuntu support only
[21:20] <oly562> preconcieved notions , you dont even know me ikonia let alone anyone in here
[21:20] <ikonia> oly562: I didn't say I know you
[21:20] <ikonia> oly562: I said your attitude in here is not helping
[21:21] <oly562> ikonia: why dont your read up logs more and see if there are any "off topic" convos happening CONSTANTALY
[21:21] <Flannel> Pici: ah.  On October 27th I spoke with him for a while regarding being inappropriate (I don't know what, looks like offtopic and a few other things?)
[21:21] <oly562> good grief
[21:21] <ikonia> oly562: we moderate offtopic conversations as much as possible
[21:21] <Flannel> Pici: Where I warned him the next time he did it, Hed be banned for a smidge.  So he was on a short leash on the third.
[21:21] <oly562> Flannel: your attitude is targeted, and not fair.. read the rest of the posts for the day, and see how it differs, you will notice a targeted attack by Flannel
[21:21] <oly562> each and every time
[21:21] <oly562> im not retarded, i know when i am being picked on
[21:21] <oly562> ikonia: case in point
[21:22] <oly562> id rather talk about nix
[21:22] <ikonia> oly562: I'm not picking on you, I'm talking to you politley
[21:22] <ikonia> oly562: then join a unix channel
[21:22] <oly562> no comment
[21:23] <oly562> id like to be taken off the ban list for #ubuntu AND not have flannel target me anymore.... i think i have made myself clear enough
[21:23] <Pici> oly562: And we're discussing the ban in question. Please be patient.
[21:23] <oly562> i would like to ask some questions about deps on avahi-daemon
[21:23] <Flannel> Pici: see also the kicks (search for nick) on the 27th
[21:23] <oly562> and how to remove it with out killing the desktop per apt-get remove
[21:24] <oly562> i dont see how that is off topic
[21:24] <Myrtti> it's offtopic to this channel
[21:24] <Seeker`> maxb: please don't idle in here
[21:24] <oly562> and that is all i would like to ask today.... besides, its not to friendly if i can not ask other questions with out being pushed to a response
[21:24] <Pici> Flannel: I'm leaving it up to your judgement.
[21:25] <Flannel> Pici: Ah, figures.  I'm at work right now.  I'll handle it in a few minutes I think.
[21:26] <oly562> Flannel: you darn well know, i ask questions to begin with, then someone says something, then i respond, then you ban me,,, thats really not fair,,, ... im not a robot, and do not speak like one. i like to chat about ubuntu, ask questions, help others. yet i dont feel the whole ubuntu friendly thing under your watch in that room.. you are selective, quit picking on me already, so i can get back to my nixing
[21:27] <ikonia> oly562: genuine advise, calm down, your attitude is not coming across well
[21:27] <ikonia> oly562: that approach won't help prove your able to participate in a channe;
[21:27] <Pici> Flannel: I am too, sorry :/
[21:28] <oly562> ikonia: you havent done anything to help my attitude since your first comment
[21:28] <oly562> i have explained this over and over yet, the same result
[21:28] <ikonia> oly562: you have explained over and over with a rude approach
[21:28] <oly562> put your self in my shoes and you will see the same result
[21:29] <oly562> i guaranty it
[21:29] <oly562> not really ikonia, scroll up
[21:29] <oly562> matter of fact, i dont like you
[21:29] <oly562> ill just ignore you
[21:29] <Flannel> oly562: Alright.  So, the issue is that you still seem to be confused as to what is on topic vs what is off topic.  On topic (for #ubuntu) things:  Ubuntu support.  offtopic things: random stories about you linux usage 10 years ago, causing more noise when there are noisy/spammy people in channels, and also trying to pick up linux girls.
[21:30] <oly562> i dont spam
[21:30] <oly562> i dont pick up linux chicks but if i did, it would be in pm
[21:30] <oly562> im not gay
[21:30] <Flannel> I didn't accuse you of spamming.  I said you made comments which weren't productive regarding the spammers, which only contributed to the noise of the channel.
[21:31] <oly562> if i didnt spam, why mention it to me
[21:31] <oly562> you also mentioned hitting on women
[21:31] <Flannel> And you did.  And we already discussed this in our query, and how you ought not to 'try and pick up girls' in IRC out of the blue.
[21:31] <oly562> again, im not gay, and i do that in priv, JUST LIKE EVERYONE
[21:31] <oly562> thats crazy saying all this, you simply can not admit what you have been doing to me for months
[21:31] <oly562> publicly
[21:31] <Flannel> Right.  oly562, You were banned for continuing to be offtopic after you were warned a few times.
[21:32] <oly562> you told me to type a certain way
[21:32] <oly562> not two sentances
[21:32] <Flannel> You will continue to be banned because its painfully obvious that you haven't changed since then.
[21:32] <oly562> your kidding
[21:32] <oly562> there is nothing to change is my point other than you changin
[21:32] <oly562> i simply ask some questions, no one can answer, i then ask again, then you ban me
[21:32] <oly562> tell me to do this or that
[21:32] <Flannel> I strongly suggest you read and understand the code of conduct and our IRC guidelines, and come back when we can welcome you back as a productive part of our community.
[21:33] <Flannel> I can provide links to the above documents if you'd like me to.
[21:33] <oly562> when really its unecessary AND others are talking crap all the time, YET they are not banned
[21:33] <oly562> this is my beef with all this
[21:33] <Myrtti> are we getting anywhere?
[21:33] <oly562> i do not like being made the example
[21:33] <oly562> Myrtti: not really, he isnt admiting he was picking on me only
[21:33] <Flannel> oly562: We do police everyone else the best we can.  These aren't targetted towards you, and you know that.
[21:34] <oly562> while others do as they please
[21:34] <oly562> no Flannel you police me
[21:34] <Flannel> oly562: Along with  1500 of your peers.
[21:34] <oly562> put me back in the room, and i i will show you exactly what i mean
[21:34] <oly562> i will log the stuff you are not addressing
[21:34] <Flannel> oly562: So, you're saying if we let you in, you're going to cause trouble?
[21:34] <oly562> i did that before, and you banned me again
[21:34] <oly562> go figure....
[21:35] <oly562> no no no
[21:35] <Flannel> oly562: #ubuntu is publically logged, feel free to assemble a case if you think you've been wronged.
[21:35] <Seeker`> oly562: you dont need to be there to log the channel, the channel is publicly logged
[21:35] <oly562> i need to ask my ubuntu questions Seeker`
[21:35] <Flannel> We have a process for that, actually.  And we encourage you to make use of it if you feel you're being mistreated.
[21:35] <oly562> let me and Flannel talk
[21:35] <oly562> i dont need any distractions
[21:35] <Myrtti> right on...
[21:36] <oly562> Flannel: you know darn well i get picked on, for asking questions... just cuz they do not know, they say, read the man, blah blah, like a first year linux user
[21:36] <Flannel> oly562: Again, come back when you're ready to be a contributing member instead of a disruptive one.  I look forward to removing your ban then.
[21:36] <oly562> i typically igrnore those, but when they state this or that,,,
[21:36] <oly562> huh
[21:36] <oly562> i have helped people out, what are you talking about
[21:36] <oly562> you dont mention that...
[21:36] <oly562> people pm me all the time
[21:37] <oly562> i answer them as best i can
[21:37] <oly562> and learn at the same time
[21:37] <oly562> good grief,,, have watched the nelson mandella video? i suggest  you also check out the FSF
[21:37] <Flannel> oly562: I implore you to put the shovel down.  Take temporary leave of this channel and come back when you're ready.
[21:37] <oly562> hmm
[21:38] <oly562> i remember i typed hmmm and you banned me
[21:38] <oly562> im not going to beg, period
[21:39] <oly562> ill just figure it out myself, like i usually do, and keep all that i know from other people in #ubuntu, and when they ask why? i will say,, it's Flannel the ops fault along with anyone else he has doing his bidding ....
[21:39] <Seeker`> we dont want you to beg, he just asked you to come back when you are a bit calmer
[21:39] <oly562> Seeker`: im not upset
[21:39] <ikonia> this is pointless
[21:39] <oly562> im frustrated
[21:39] <oly562> there is a diff
[21:39] <Seeker`> i didn't say you were upset, i said come back when you are calmer
[21:40] <oly562> its cliche to say im calm
[21:40] <jussi01> ikonia: PM
[21:40] <ikonia> yup
[21:41] <oly562> look... im will be calm in your eyes the moment i beg for entry,, thats not going to happen. what should happen is, after 2 months of being banned, the moment i decide i will come an ask for some help, i should get it
[21:41] <oly562> thats what should happend
[21:41] <Myrtti> you should?
[21:41] <ikonia> oly562: this is going nowhere as you are making things up that people are saying in this channel
[21:41] <Myrtti> Access to IRC channels isn't a god given right
[21:42] <ikonia> oly562: come back when you want to talk properly about this without random things
[21:42] <oly562> Myrtti: no they are just here to plainly exist
[21:42] <Flannel> oly562: We don't want you to beg.  We want you to show us that you're going to follow the channel rules.  That's it.
[21:42] <oly562> they are for people to enter and not type, just watch blank screens
[21:42] <oly562> Flannel: i have followed your rules, yet you think up new ones as you please
[21:43] <oly562> i simply need some answers to a few questions
[21:43] <oly562> thats it
[21:43] <Flannel> oly562: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[21:43] <oly562> if someone is picking on me, i will respond...
[21:43] <Flannel> Those are our rules.  They're written out so there's no confusion.
[21:43] <oly562> if someone says, RTFM i will respond
[21:43] <oly562> if someone says your banned i will respond
[21:43] <oly562> i have read them
[21:43] <oly562> i understand them
[21:43] <ikonia> yet you are unable to show you can interact
[21:44] <oly562> again, you make rules up as you go
[21:44] <Flannel> oly562: anyway, I'm done discussing this with you right now.  Please come back when you're ready to do better.
[21:44] <oly562> your actually trying to control how someone types
[21:44] <oly562> if the room is being spammed, people should just get their info from the logs , ask a question, grep it later
[21:45] <Myrtti> I have no idea what's going on anymore
[21:45] <ikonia> no-where
[21:45] <oly562> dont say, type in 1 sentence, thats rediculious
[21:45] <Pici> Myrtti: I was just going to say the same exact thing.
[21:45] <ikonia> oly562 is just making random things up now
[21:45] <ikonia> oly562: it's pointless progressing
[21:45] <oly562> thats becuz this has happend over months
[21:45] <ikonia> oly562: and you still can't show you can behave after months
[21:45] <oly562> i have been banned multiple times by Flannel and his associates
[21:45] <ikonia> oly562: thats the part
[21:45] <oly562> i dont think i can say it more plain than that
[21:46] <ikonia> oly562: people are telling you the problem - plain - and you're still not getting it
[21:47]  * Myrtti has a feeling the discussion has ended
[21:47] <ikonia> hopefully
[21:48]  * Myrtti tries to strike a spark on her rocket igniter
[21:48] <oly562> id like to point out, Flannel does have knowledge, too bad i havent been able to actually talk to him in tech terms... thats the sad part
[21:48] <ikonia> what has that got to do with anything ?
[21:48] <Myrtti> oly562: irrelevant
[21:48] <oly562> Myrtti: comments like that deserve ignore
[21:48] <ikonia> if someone is new to linux or is a guru it doesn't change anything
[21:48] <oly562> bubye
[21:48] <ikonia> bye
[21:48] <Myrtti> oly562: bye
[21:49] <oly562> maybe i should just do that next time, ignore stuphid comments sayers and continue with my original question
[21:49] <ikonia> please leave now
[21:49] <oly562> i dont like to ignore and i feel everyone has a good side, maybe im wrong
[21:49] <oly562> but that is my only option at this point
[21:49] <Myrtti> that's a dangerous attitude, to ignore ops
[21:50] <Myrtti> hopefully you've not been that foolish
[21:50] <Myrtti> I guess he is
[21:50]  * Myrtti yawns
[21:50] <ikonia> !idle oly562
[21:50] <ikonia> !idle |oly562
[21:50] <oly562> i wonder why that person would say something like that... oh i know, they think since they have root perms they can say and so as they please, and break the ubuntu spirit
[21:50] <Myrtti> root perms?
[21:50] <Myrtti> say something like what?
[21:51] <ikonia> this is just going nowhere
[21:51] <Myrtti> ikonia: should I?
[21:51] <Pici> @mark oly562
[21:51] <oly562> ubottu: ?
[21:51] <ikonia> gratzi
[21:51] <ikonia> "ja"
[21:51] <oly562> i guess someone hasnt been following my complaint
[21:52] <Myrtti> oops.
[21:52] <Myrtti> ignore that.
[21:52] <ikonia> that was just pointless
[21:52]  * Pici waits for the email to the ircc
[21:52]  * ikonia waits for him to flip out in #classroom
[21:53] <ikonia> I'm actually not comfortable with him in ubuntu channels as he admits to using them to pickup girls in pm
[21:53] <ikonia> that's not a nice experience

[21:53] <Pici> I thought he was a she?
[21:54] <ikonia> he likes "linux chicks" so I assume a man, could be a gay women
[21:54] <ikonia> but he said he wasn't gay
[21:54] <Seeker`> welcome back
[21:55] <oly562> id like to be allowed back in the #ubuntu room.
[21:55] <Myrtti> Pici: that's where it's going anyway, soon.
[21:55] <Myrtti> graahhhh, laggggg
[21:55]  * Myrtti kicks the server
[21:55] <Myrtti> ikonia: SAY WHAT?!
[21:55] <ikonia> oly562: you've said that
[21:55]  * Myrtti boggles
[21:55] <oly562> i emailed the convo to that link
[21:55] <ikonia> great
[21:55] <oly562> Seeker`: can you take me off the ban list
[21:55] <Seeker`> I'm not able to remove the ban
[21:55] <Myrtti> ooohh, no lag anymore.
[21:55] <oly562> can you explain why that is so?
[21:56] <Pici> oly562: I'm sorry, thats not how this works.
[21:56] <Seeker`> because I dont have access?
[21:56] <oly562> fair enough, i will just have to believe that, yet being an admin i know there is a possibility that is not true. but i will believe you for the moment
[21:56] <oly562> Pici: explain please
[21:56] <Pici> oly562:
[21:56] <oly562> how what works
[21:57] <Myrtti> I could tell him how chanserv access list works, but I'm on his ignore...
[21:57] <Myrtti> his loss
[21:57] <Seeker`> oly562: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list
[21:57] <oly562> this is the ubuntu-ops room. what is it's purpose, maybe that will help me
[21:57] <oly562> ic. let me try that
[21:57] <oly562> i may end up right back here
[21:58] <oly562> sb..
[21:58] <ikonia> you will
[21:58] <ikonia> that command will not unban you
[21:58] <ikonia> only a channel operator will unban you - which seeing as this channel is logged and your behaviour is logged is unlikley at this time
[21:58] <Pici> oly562: The IRC Council will discuss your ban. It may or may not be lifted.
[21:59] <oly562> step two has failed
[21:59] <oly562> step 3 doesnt apply
[21:59] <Pici> oly562: Its will not be an immediate reply, as not all the IRCC members are available.
[21:59] <oly562> i just did step 4
[22:00] <Pici> s/its/it/
[22:00] <oly562> but this will not remedy the situatio
[22:00] <oly562> Pici: ?
[22:00] <oly562> are you correcting my grammer???
[22:00] <oly562> bubye, ignore
[22:00] <Pici> I'm correcting my own grammar.
[22:00] <Seeker`> oly562: The IRC Council will get back to you, but it will take them some time to do so
[22:00] <oly562> Seeker`: approximate?
[22:00] <Seeker`> they aren't all online at the moment, and need time to discuss the matter
[22:00] <ikonia> can someone please end this show of silly behaviour
[22:01] <ikonia> "bye bye ignore"
[22:01] <ikonia> this is pathetic seriously
[22:01] <Seeker`> oly562: no idea
[22:01] <Pici> One of them is, but seeing as you're ignoring me, you won't see my response.
[22:01] <Myrtti> Pici: :-DDDDDDD
[22:01] <Myrtti> OH THE IRONY
[22:01] <oly562> Flannel: if you can stop i will stop. simple
[22:01] <Myrtti> *cough*
[22:01]  * Myrtti is too tired
[22:01] <ikonia> flannel is not here
[22:01] <oly562> be the bigger man and do so
[22:02] <ikonia> thank you
[22:02] <ikonia> right - I'm off to watch a band
[22:02] <Pici> I need to step away from my desk, I'll unban when I get back.
[22:02] <Seeker`> ikonia: who?
[22:02] <Myrtti> Pici: when is the last time I've vowed my undying eternal love for you?
[22:02] <ikonia> enjoy the rest of the show
[22:02] <ikonia> Seeker`: just a local ting
[22:02] <ikonia> thing
[22:02] <Pici> Myrtti: Only a few weeks ago ;)
[22:02]  * Pici waves
[22:02] <Seeker`> ikonia: anywhere nice?
[22:02] <ikonia> Seeker`: bell
[22:03] <Seeker`> ikonia: never went there :O
[22:03] <Seeker`> not that i remember anyway
[22:03] <ikonia> dive
[22:04] <Seeker`> the star (i think it is called) was nice though
[22:04] <ikonia> bell is like the star, but rougher
[22:04] <ikonia> right, I'm out
[22:04] <ikonia> enojoy
[22:04] <Seeker`> seeya
[22:07] <Myrtti> now he's in my pm
[22:07] <Myrtti> LOL
[22:07] <Seeker`> anything interesting? or new?
[22:07] <Myrtti> excuse me, but I'm too old for this
[22:08] <Myrtti> [00:05] <oly562> typical i am used to this type of treatment
[22:08] <Myrtti> nothing more
[22:09] <Myrtti> right
[22:10] <nalioth> Myrtti: advise him to check his -ops logs - his answer is there (from me)
[22:10] <Mez> 22:09 <oly562>  can you lift my ban please, its been 4 months..
[22:10] <Mez> 22:10 <Mez> -> #ubuntu-ops
[22:12] <Myrtti> nalioth: I expect him to pm you anyway
[22:13] <Myrtti> I'm not going to say a word to him since I'm on his ignore atleast on this channel
[22:13] <Mez> http://rafb.net/p/bdBT7f31.html
[22:13]  * Mez is just repeating "I have nothing to do with the ban"
[22:13] <Mez> ("you have perms"
[22:14] <Myrtti> Mez: ignore
[22:14]  * Mez never ignores
[22:15] <Mez> well never /ignore s
[22:15] <Mez> 22:14 <Mez> I did not set the ban. Therefore, I do not lift the ban. The op who sets it or the IRCC does. Not me.
[22:15] <Mez> 22:15 <Mez> Any futher pleading with me will be ignored
[22:16] <Myrtti> there's people like jdub on the access list...
[22:16] <Myrtti> I wonder how many of those inactive ops know about current policies
[22:17] <Seeker`> there are people on there that I have never heard of
[22:17] <Myrtti> yeah
[22:17] <Mez> http://rafb.net/p/3fUp6Y20.html <-- I will not respond anymore
[22:18]  * Mez /wc's
[22:19] <Mez> night all
[22:19] <Myrtti> nini
[22:20] <Seeker`> nn
[22:20] <Seeker`> how many of those ops are "active"?
[22:21] <Myrtti> IIRC Fabbione isn't even ubuntu member anymore
[22:21] <Seeker`> do you have to be a member to be an op?
[22:22] <Myrtti> no, but it's a sign of sort about activity
[22:22] <Myrtti> if he *has* been a member
[22:22] <ikonia> 22:18 < oly562> how can i send mulitple pm's im's to people on irc?
[22:22] <ikonia> 22:18 < oly562> or do i have to do that one by one
[22:22] <Seeker`> fair enough
[22:22] <Seeker`> ikonia: haha
[22:22] <Myrtti> ikonia: great...
[22:22] <Myrtti> ikonia: where's that?
[22:22] <ikonia> #u-classroom
[22:22] <ikonia> bands not on yet
[22:23] <ikonia> not going down there to wait
[22:23] <Myrtti> sounds like he's harassing users... time for a k-train?
[22:23] <nalioth> catalyzation is nice
[22:23] <Myrtti> oh, and I misremembered fabbione
[22:23] <Seeker`> has he quit?
[22:23] <Myrtti> it was robitaille who isn't a member anymore but is cloaked
[22:25] <Seeker`> I dont think i know keybuk, lamont, inx-one, ogra, carlk
[22:35] <jpds> 22:09:58 [<EMAIL_ADDRESS>]  can you lift my ban please, its been 4 months..
[22:35] <Myrtti> he's worked his way to j now, I see
[22:36] <Myrtti> or whatever random order he uses
[22:36] <ikonia> ages ago
[22:36] <ikonia> he quit
[22:36] <Myrtti> with k-line?!?!
[22:37] <Myrtti> bummer.
[22:37] <ikonia> nop
[22:59] <jussi01> heh, just cam back Myself and he asked me the same as jpds
[22:59] <jussi01> [00:10:05] <oly562>  can you lift my ban please, its been 4 months..
[23:31] <Seeker`> wb Pici
[23:33] <Pici> Seeker`: ty


[09:55] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2012/02/21/new-year-got-off-to-a-good-start/
[11:40] <airurando> only just getting used to unity (I am slow to change)
[11:40] <airurando> I am aware of global menus
[11:41] <airurando> but I'm only seeing 'close-min-max boxes' on some of my applications under 12.04
[11:41] <airurando> is this right?
[11:45] <airurando> I've seen this with X-chat gnome and thunderbird primarily
[11:45] <airurando> no top bar to move a window around on the screen
[11:48] <airurando> I can grab the top bar in firefox to move the window around but again no 'close-min-max boxes' available.
[11:48] <airurando> advice anyone?
[11:51] <slashtommy> airurando: i think everyone is shying away from Unity
[11:51] <airurando> I know slashtommy but I really want to give it a go
[11:52]  * slashtommy is still using 10.04 here at work
[11:54]  * airurando is also using 10.04 on his desktop
[11:54] <tdr112> just using ubuntu servers , windows dev laptop :(
[11:55] <airurando> not to worry I'll plod along
[11:57]  * ebel uses unity
[11:57] <slashtommy> there's such a thing as "windows dev"?
[11:58] <czajkowski> airurando: not sure you should be seeing that
[11:59] <czajkowski> but I do know a bug has been filed about some window issue i saw it earlier on from alanbell
[11:59] <czajkowski> am loving HUD
[11:59] <ebel> slashtommy: parse error. (windows (dev laptop))
[12:00] <ebel> as opposed to ((windows dev) laptop)
[12:02] <slashtommy> hehe
[12:21] <airurando> installing many many updates and a 'partial upgrade' now on 12.04.
[12:21] <airurando> see it that makes any difference
[12:47] <airurando> nope


[00:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gpgme1.0 (focal-proposed/main) [1.13.1-7ubuntu2.1 => 1.13.1-7ubuntu2.2] (core, i386-whitelist)
[00:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gpgme1.0 (jammy-proposed/main) [1.16.0-1.2ubuntu4.1 => 1.16.0-1.2ubuntu4.2] (core, i386-whitelist)
[00:28] <xnox> vorlon: trying to fix kenrel renames on daily-live images (which would otherwise prevent build oem intel-iot and the laptop desktop images) https://git.launchpad.net/~xnox/livecd-rootfs/commit/?id=3e4f4c68b3b96c33d52340ba2db9085d53457f9b
[00:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Commit 3e4f4c6 in ~xnox/livecd-rootfs "remove live-build/ubuntu/hooks/020-ubuntu-live.binary: handled elsewhere fix-desktop-live-kernel-renames"
[00:29] <xnox> uploading into ppa, and doing test builds before submitting MR
[00:29]  * vorlon nods
[00:29] <xnox> as i realised there is unfixable ubuntu-cdimage / debian-cd / livecd-rootfs integration problem of missmatched / unexpected file names
[00:29] <vorlon> xnox: I'm afk shortly to pick up dinner, but can review later tonight. when will I have an actual kernel to go with it?
[00:30] <xnox> vorlon: kernel is built in a ppa, and pending AA review...... i guess i can copy it into the unapproved queue for you to review? as it has no signing.
[00:30] <xnox> it has the right variant and can be build the image. it still missing hooks / patches to meta.
[00:31] <vorlon> "pending AA review" well it's not in any queue I look at
[00:31] <xnox> to do the correct module order in the initrd.
[00:31] <xnox> vorlon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kernel-sru-workflow/+bug/2037451 but clearly new-review is trianged!
[00:31] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2037451 in Kernel SRU Workflow "mantic/linux-laptop: 6.5.0-1003.5 -proposed tracker" [Medium, In Progress]
[00:32] <xnox> anyway, i am hoping to fixup meta, and land it normally with tracker / kernel team routings / tomorrow EU time
[00:32] <xnox> i was just doing ubuntu-cdimage local tests and realised that all build scripts fail
[01:19] <xnox> livebuild kicked off, off to sleep
[05:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (mantic-proposed/main) [23.10.48 => 23.10.49] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[05:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libxs-parse-sublike-perl (mantic-proposed/main) [0.20-1ubuntu1 => 0.20-1ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[05:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libxs-parse-sublike-perl [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.20-1ubuntu2]
[06:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (jammy-proposed/main) [2.765.26 => 2.765.27] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[06:52] <mitya57> ginggs: Sorry for the late response. Alacarte NEWS only says about updated translations. Anyway, this sync has been already accepted by someone.
[06:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nbdkit (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.34.3-1ubuntu1 => 1.34.4-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[07:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nbdkit [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.34.4-1ubuntu1]
[07:26] <arighi> apw, bdmurray, vorlon (or whoever is in charge) the current mantic/linux kernel in proposed 6.5.0-6.6 is regressing with the new systemd, but from the log shows it doesn't really seem a kernel regression (failure to download an lxd image), could we hint/ignore this test, so that we can get this new kernel in release? Do you see any problem with that?
[08:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.49]
[08:15] <ginggs> mitya57: np, j.bicha already clarified that and i accepted
[08:22] <ginggs> jbicha: there's a webkit2gtk sync in the queue, but d/changelog is only "New upstream release" and I don't see any mention of it in the backlog.  would you please provide some context?
[08:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libxs-parse-sublike-perl (mantic-proposed/main) [0.20-1ubuntu2 => 0.20-1ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[08:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libxs-parse-sublike-perl [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.20-1ubuntu3]
[08:39] <LocutusOfBorg> +What's new in WebKitGTK 2.42.1?
[08:39] <LocutusOfBorg> +
[08:39] <LocutusOfBorg> +  - Fix enable-html5-database setting to properly enable/disable IndexedDB API.
[08:39] <LocutusOfBorg> +  - Fix the build with GBM disabled.
[08:39] <LocutusOfBorg> +  - Fix several crashes and rendering issues.
[08:39] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs, ^^^
[08:40] <LocutusOfBorg> 600000l lines changed of documentation, if you drop that, the delta becomes really small
[08:40] <LocutusOfBorg> so totally bugfix only release
[09:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-mate-artwork (mantic-proposed/universe) [23.10.0 => 23.10.1] (ubuntu-mate)
[09:05] <Wimpy> Please accept ubuntu-mate-artwork/23.10.1
[09:18] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: thanks, I'd like an ack from the owning team though
[09:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-mate-artwork [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.1]
[09:22] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs, please consider that build on riscv64 takes almost one week
[09:24] <ginggs> Wimpy: ^
[09:25] <ginggs> ricotz, seb128: i removed libreoffice/i386 from never_run, and now britney correctly considers is 'Not a regression', so manual hints for each upload should no longer be needed
[09:26] <ginggs> s/is/it/
[09:26] <seb128> ginggs, hey, great!
[09:30] <Wimpy> Thanks ginggs
[09:40] <philroche> Apologies if this has been covered already but I saw recent autopkgtest failures for a livecd-rootfs versions for mantic and the test logs appear to be related to `No space left on device` . Specifically livecd-rootfs/23.10.48 - see https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/l/livecd-rootfs/mantic/amd64 Is this cause for a Canonical internal IS request ticket for investigation?
[09:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-firmware-raspi (mantic-proposed/restricted) [9-0ubuntu1 => 10-0ubuntu1] (raspi)
[09:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected linux-firmware-raspi [source] (mantic-proposed) [10-0ubuntu1]
[09:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-firmware-raspi (mantic-proposed/restricted) [9-0ubuntu1 => 10-0ubuntu1] (raspi)
[09:57] <ginggs> philroche: i suggest checking with qa-team first
[09:58] <ginggs> paride, bdmurray: ^
[10:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-firmware-raspi [source] (mantic-proposed) [10-0ubuntu1]
[11:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gpiozero (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.6.1-0ubuntu1 => 2.0-0ubuntu1] (raspi)
[11:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gpiozero [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.0-0ubuntu1]
[11:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-snapshot (mantic-proposed/universe) [1:20230926-1ubuntu1 => 1:20230928-1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[11:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-snapshot [source] (mantic-proposed) [1:20230928-1ubuntu1]
[11:23] <paride> philroche, hi, looking into that
[11:23] <jbicha> ginggs: new webkit2gtk point releases are bugfix and security updates
[11:23] <philroche> paride: Thank you
[11:25] <jbicha> could gnome-shell-pomodoro be hinted in? I don't know why the i386 autopkgtest failure is preventing migration (gnome-shell-pomodoro was removed earlier in mantic but reintroduced now that it works with GNOME 45)
[11:28] <ginggs> jbicha: re: webkit2gtk, thanks.  i wish there was some way for this info to be communicated for syncs
[11:30] <ginggs> jbicha: looking at gnome-shell-pomodoro...
[11:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted webkit2gtk [sync] (mantic-proposed) [2.42.1-1]
[11:35] <ginggs> jbicha: hint added for gnome-shell-pomodoro
[11:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mozjs115 (mantic-release/universe) [115.3.0-0ubuntu1 => 115.3.0-0ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[11:47] <seb128> I've self approved ^ since that's a copy over including binaries to enable the i386 build
[11:47] <ginggs> seb128: ack, thanks
[11:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mozjs115 [sync] (mantic-release) [115.3.0-0ubuntu1]
[11:48] <ginggs> seb128, jbicha: as desktop owns libwebp, would one of you please comment on LP: #2037527 ?
[11:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2037527 in libwebp (Ubuntu) "[Ffe] libwebp" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037527
[11:55] <seb128> ginggs, ack, I've asked for some rational and testing on the bug, seems risky for no real reason (we already have the security fixes cherrypicked)
[11:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added mozjs115 to i386-whitelist in mantic
[12:06] <ginggs> seb128: thank you!
[12:06] <seb128> np!
[12:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dpdk (mantic-proposed/main) [22.11.2-3 => 22.11.3-1] (kernel-dkms, ubuntu-server) (sync)
[13:08] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpdk/+bug/2035367/comments/1 is about that dpdk sync that just showed up in mantic-unapproved ^^ Please consider accepting once not a problem for any ongoing beta builds or any such.
[13:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2035367 in dpdk (Ubuntu Mantic) "MRE updates  21.11.5/22.11.3" [Undecided, New]
[13:25] <arighi> ''/quit
[13:27] <ginggs> cpaelzer: thanks, looking...
[13:30] <cpaelzer> thank you ginggs, If you need any more formal templates for the process or an explanation or any such, just let me know
[13:31] <cpaelzer> Oh I see it accepted, thank you
[13:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dpdk [sync] (mantic-proposed) [22.11.3-1]
[13:32] <ginggs> yw!
[13:33] <cpaelzer> I did the related bug updates, no extra work on that end for you ginggs
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (mantic-proposed/main) [18.2.0-0ubuntu2 => 18.2.0-0ubuntu3] (ubuntu-server)
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-barbicanclient (mantic-proposed/main) [5.6.0-0ubuntu1 => 5.6.1-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-castellan (mantic-proposed/main) [4.1.0-0ubuntu1 => 4.3.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-mistralclient (mantic-proposed/main) [1:5.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 1:5.1.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-neutronclient (mantic-proposed/main) [1:10.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 1:11.0.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-oslo.config (mantic-proposed/main) [1:9.1.1-0ubuntu1 => 1:9.2.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-tooz (mantic-proposed/main) [4.1.0-0ubuntu1 => 4.2.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-zaqarclient (mantic-proposed/main) [2.5.1-0ubuntu1 => 2.6.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-keystoneclient (mantic-proposed/main) [1:5.1.0-0ubuntu1 => 1:5.2.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-os-vif (mantic-proposed/main) [3.1.1-0ubuntu1 => 3.2.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-watcherclient (mantic-proposed/universe) [4.1.0-0ubuntu1 => 4.2.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-monascaclient (mantic-proposed/main) [2.7.0-0ubuntu1 => 2.8.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-oslo.db (mantic-proposed/main) [12.3.2-0ubuntu1 => 14.1.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (mantic-proposed/main) [18.2.0-0ubuntu2 => 18.2.0-0ubuntu3] (ubuntu-server)
[14:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: update-manager (focal-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[14:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-oslo.log (mantic-proposed/main) [5.2.0-0ubuntu2 => 5.3.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[14:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-oslo.messaging (mantic-proposed/main) [14.3.1-0ubuntu1 => 14.4.1-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (mantic-proposed/main) [1:8.0.4+dfsg-1ubuntu1 => 1:8.0.4+dfsg-1ubuntu2] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[15:07] <kanashiro> vorlon could you please take a look at docker-{buildx,compose-v2} in NEW queue for focal, jammy and lunar when you have some time? This is the special case where someone with SRU and AA hats could sort it out easily
[15:12] <vorlon> kanashiro: will have to be tomorrow during my vanguard day
[15:13] <kanashiro> vorlon ok, thanks!
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ceph [source] (mantic-proposed) [18.2.0-0ubuntu3]
[15:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ceph [source] (mantic-proposed) [18.2.0-0ubuntu3]
[15:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (mantic-proposed) [1:8.0.4+dfsg-1ubuntu2]
[15:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnocchi (mantic-proposed/universe) [4.6.0-0ubuntu1 => 4.6.0-0ubuntu2] (openstack)
[16:00] <LocutusOfBorg> can anybody please have a look at virtualbox SRU?
[16:12] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg: I'm not on shift today, but pitti did *not* approve https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualboxUpdates as an exception, contrary to what you've written at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#virtualbox. He merely said that what you described appeared to meet the policy (which is currently at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases and I don't think has
[16:12] <rbasak> substantially changed since then)
[16:13] <rbasak> What you've written at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualboxUpdates looks like a good start though, from a quick glance.
[16:14] <rbasak> But for example you seem to be missing a credible test plan. "Install virtualbox, run VMs" is what the bug says right now and it isn't sufficient. I don't see any test plan on the wiki page.
[16:15] <LocutusOfBorg> ok sorry for my misunderstanding about pitti
[16:15] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm really trying to remember what happened that long ago
[16:16] <rbasak> Sorry, I should clarify.
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg> and also, I got SRU for vbox since like 10 years, so this is why probably I thought it was an ack
[16:16] <rbasak> I'm not claiming anything from memory. I'm just going by the post you linked. That post doesn't read as an exception approval to me.
[16:17] <rbasak> Anyway, the wiki page is a good start - thank you for writing it up.
[16:17] <rbasak> The key thing is that it should explain how the package meets the criteria at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases
[16:18] <LocutusOfBorg> I'll update the test plan thanks
[16:18] <rbasak> I also suggest that you put a detailed test plan in the wiki that you intend to follow during SRU verification. Then it only needs to be reviewed and approved once, rather than on every upload.
[16:18] <LocutusOfBorg> of course I do much more of what I wrote there
[16:18] <LocutusOfBorg> sure
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnocchi [source] (mantic-proposed) [4.6.0-0ubuntu2]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-castellan [source] (mantic-proposed) [4.3.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-mistralclient [source] (mantic-proposed) [1:5.1.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-neutronclient [source] (mantic-proposed) [1:11.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-oslo.config [source] (mantic-proposed) [1:9.2.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-oslo.log [source] (mantic-proposed) [5.3.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-tooz [source] (mantic-proposed) [4.2.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-zaqarclient [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.6.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-barbicanclient [source] (mantic-proposed) [5.6.1-0ubuntu1]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-monascaclient [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.8.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-oslo.db [source] (mantic-proposed) [14.1.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-watcherclient [source] (mantic-proposed) [4.2.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-keystoneclient [source] (mantic-proposed) [1:5.2.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-oslo.messaging [source] (mantic-proposed) [14.4.1-0ubuntu1]
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-os-vif [source] (mantic-proposed) [3.2.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:22] <LocutusOfBorg> I hope you like it more now
[16:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected edubuntu-menu [source] (lunar-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected edubuntu-menu [source] (lunar-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntustudio-menu [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.72.4]
[16:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntustudio-menu [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.72.4]
[16:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dipy (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.7.0-2 => 1.7.0-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dipy [sync] (mantic-proposed) [1.7.0-3]
[17:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-meta (mantic-proposed/main) [1.521 => 1.522] (core)
[17:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libfprint (lunar-proposed/main) [1:1.94.5+tod1-0ubuntu2 => 1:1.94.5+tod1-0ubuntu2.1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[17:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mystic [amd64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.4.1-1] (no packageset)
[17:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity (mantic-proposed/main) [23.10.4 => 23.10.5] (ubuntu-desktop)
[17:31] <xnox> vorlon: do you have time to check-in on x13s stuff?
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (jammy-proposed) [1:6.2+dfsg-2ubuntu6.15]
[18:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mystic [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [0.4.1-1]
[18:50] <vorlon> xnox: now
[19:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-meta [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.522]
[19:12] <xnox> vorlon: oooh
[19:12] <xnox> did i miss it?
[19:12] <vorlon> xnox: still here
[19:13] <xnox> https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/452363
[19:14] <vorlon> yes
[19:14] <xnox> is that comprehensible?
[19:14] <xnox> or do i need to explain myself more?
[19:15] <xnox> because it is needed for https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-cdimage/+git/ubuntu-cdimage/+merge/452162 to work
[19:15] <xnox> and review comments there addressed
[19:16] <xnox> also i hosed my laptop, so i need installer to reinstall it =)
[19:18] <vorlon> xnox: part of the description there isn't quite coherent, "noticing that binary hooks are called on a live years"
[19:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.5]
[20:12] <xnox> vorlon: live layer
[20:14] <vorlon> ItzSwirlz: so ubuntucinnamon never had a size limit set which means it has inherited the size limit for a CD by default, which is obviously not correct. and the lunar release image that went out is bigger than the mantic image is today.  So I'm going to go ahead with a limit of 4.2GB which covers what's currently being produced.
[20:15] <xnox> vorlon: basically what i'm trying to say is that c00bbf3fb3 ("desktop: place kernel in the live layer") was completely wrong.
[20:15] <vorlon> xnox: ack
[20:16] <xnox> (attempting to do on desktop, what server image does, without realising that generic-hwe is flavour generic, and when there is only one of them existing functionality does the right thing, and for desktop / single kernel none of that custom stuff needed, and even subiquity hook used to only run on .2-.5 releases)
[20:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: amazon-ec2-net-utils (focal-proposed/primary) [2.3.0-2~ubuntu0.20.04]
[20:28] <dbungert> xnox: kernel was in the wrong layer.  I get that you're objecting to the hook, but the other part was needed.
[20:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: amazon-ec2-net-utils (jammy-proposed/primary) [2.3.0-2~ubuntu0.22.04]
[20:41] <vorlon> xnox: ^^ I'm going to let you discuss this with dbungert first and maybe reach a consensus, perhaps that will save me time in trying to trace all the side effects of the --linux-packages=--initramfs=KERNEL_FLAVOURS=none
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: parsinsert (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.04-15 => 1.04-15ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted parsinsert [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.04-15ubuntu1]
[20:59] <vorlon> xnox: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-concept/+livefs/ubuntu/mantic/ubuntu/+build/504032/+files/livecd.ubuntu.minimal.standard.manifest does not list a kernel.  But https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-concept/+livefs/ubuntu/mantic/ubuntu/+build/504032/+files/livecd.ubuntu.minimal.standard.live.manifest also does not list a kernel. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/689427027/livecd.ubuntu.minimal.manifest
[20:59] <vorlon> lists the kernel, and as dbungert says, we don't want it there because enhanced secureboot
[21:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: rust-convert-case (mantic-proposed/primary) [0.6.0-0ubuntu1]
[21:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debvm (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.2.12ubuntu1 => 0.2.13] (no packageset) (sync)
[21:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debvm [sync] (mantic-proposed) [0.2.13]
[21:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-xarray (mantic-proposed/universe) [2023.08.0-1ubuntu5 => 2023.09.0-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[21:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-xarray [sync] (mantic-proposed) [2023.09.0-1]
[21:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntustudio-default-settings (mantic-proposed/universe) [23.10.14 => 23.10.15] (ubuntustudio)
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: ^ This is for bug 2037676, which I'd love your input on. It's a dirty hack and makes me feel icky.
[21:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2037676 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "ubiquity needs to use Materia-dark theme when launched from live session" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037676
[21:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: uwsgi (mantic-proposed/universe) [2.0.22-1 => 2.0.22-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[21:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted uwsgi [sync] (mantic-proposed) [2.0.22-4]
[21:51] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: ok definitely not this
[21:51] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: That's what I thought.
[21:52] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: bug says "Materia is using the Adwaita GTK theme"; do you mean "ubiquity is [...]"?
[21:52] <Eickmeyer> Yes. heh
[21:53] <Eickmeyer> Updated.
[21:54] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: if you have to modify /usr/share/applications/ubiquity.desktop in this environment then dpkg-divert is the supported interface for that.  But you should probably move up a level and make sure GTK_THEME is set in the live session generally
[21:54] <vorlon> and then modifying ubiquity.desktop in the ubiquity package to include GTK_THEME in preserve-env is reasonable
[21:55] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, it's not. GTK_THEME isn't set as an environment variable in KDE, and never has been. They use their own way to set the GTK theme.
[21:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (mantic-proposed/main) [23.3.1-0ubuntu1 => 23.3.1-0ubuntu2] (core, ubuntu-cloud)
[21:55] <Eickmeyer> Go ahead and reject, that gave me something to think about.
[21:56] <vorlon> yes, but we can change the behavior there so that it is
[21:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntustudio-default-settings [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.15]
[21:56] <vorlon> at minimum, in the live session
[21:56] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[22:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.3.1-0ubuntu2]
[22:59] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Ok, looks like this bugfix will be in two parts: GTK_THEME will be set by a file in /etc/profile.d provided by ubuntustudio-live-settings, and I'll file (yet another) MR for ubiquity to add GTK_THEME to --preserve-env=.
[23:00] <vorlon> sounds plausible
[23:00] <Eickmeyer> 👍
[23:01] <Eickmeyer> I tested the modifications here, and it works.
[23:03] <Eickmeyer> Of course, testing on other flavors too just to be sure it doesn't foul them up.
[23:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (mantic-proposed/main) [2.27.0-0ubuntu2 => 2.27.0-0ubuntu3] (core, i386-whitelist)