[04:04] <mapito> hey all
[04:15] <mapito> hi zmoylan-pi
[04:35] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[07:17] <MooDoo> howdy all
[07:18] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[07:20] <MooDoo> :)
[08:15] <nucc11> anybody using 2FA on their SSH server? do you know a linux GUI client that can do 2FA ?
[08:15] <nucc11> i mean for SFTP
[08:15] <popey> does it have to be gui?
[08:16] <nucc11> yea, meant for a normal person
[08:16] <popey> oh
[08:16] <nucc11> i myself am fine with sftp on the cli
[08:16] <popey> well I use a python program called 2fa.py which could easily be wrapped in a gui
[08:17] <nucc11> is it this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~toykeeper/+junk/2fa ??
[08:17] <popey> yes
[08:17] <nucc11> ah, Cyberduck does support 2FA :)
[08:17] <nucc11> problem solved
[08:26] <foobarry> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33772261
[08:26] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:26] <foobarry> i don't understand why it isn't a breach of copyrigth law to use the leaked hackingteam code?
[08:27] <popey> because it isnt
[08:27] <foobarry> "When Joe Greenwood, of cybersecurity firm 4Armed, saw that source code for the programme had been dumped online by hackers, he couldn't resist experimenting with it."
[08:27] <foobarry> why not?
[08:27] <popey> just like it's not copyright infringement to watch a movie you didnt pay for
[08:27] <popey> it's copyright infringement to _distribute_ the code or movie
[08:28] <popey> but distribute != use
[08:29] <popey> which is why you generally don't get prosecuted for downloading a film or computer software, but might for re-distributing it, if you distribute to enough people to get noticed
[08:29] <foobarry> it is breaking a law though
[08:29] <popey> what law?
[08:29] <foobarry> to download without permission of the copyright holder. unauthorised downloading and use
[08:30] <foobarry> just checking
[08:31] <popey> copying is allowed for the purposes of news reporting and critique
[08:31] <popey> and you just linked to bbc news :)
[08:31] <foobarry> which is permitted by the copyright holder
[08:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Work Like A Dog Day! 😃
[08:32] <popey> not the way I read it
[08:33] <foobarry> " Downloading a song, film or television programme without paying for it is a breach of copyright. In the UK, the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 currently protects copyrighted materials and if you download or distribute copyrighted files without permission you could potentially face a civil action for thousands of pounds of damages"
[08:33] <foobarry> civil not criminal law
[08:35] <nucc11> well, the BBC article is useless.
[08:36] <foobarry> although finding the chapter and verse seems difficult. tends to talk about making a copy, etc
[08:36] <nucc11> no info about what flaws are exploited, or what someone can do to avoid being hacked like that
[08:37] <nucc11> i just might wind up buying an iphone… it seems to actually be the most secure of the mobile OSes
[08:37] <foobarry> your phone would need to be rooted first
[08:37] <foobarry> nucc11: lol
[08:37] <nucc11> foobarry: that was only for iphones.
[08:37] <nucc11> androids as far as the news of the hacking team leaks go, could be hacked without being rooted
[08:37] <nucc11> ios was the only one which was mostly impenetrable if it wasn't rooted
[08:38] <brobostigon> every system has flaws, every system has bugs and can be hacked, no system is totallly safe.
[08:38] <nucc11> brobostigon: of course. but speaking in relative terms, android appears to be tbe most porus.
[08:39] <nucc11> porous :p
[08:39] <foobarry> depends how you use it.
[08:40] <brobostigon> well, it in my mind, has a good balence between security and freedom, if you use abit of logic, it is nominally fairly safe, like any system, you use abit of logic and use obvious security, like not downloading silly email attachments etc.
[08:41] <foobarry> it is the closest mobile OS to windows XP though
[08:41] <foobarry> people downloading random kernels and apks without consideration
[08:41] <brobostigon> for example, a program like tasker, would be basiclly impossible on IOS.
[08:41] <foobarry> wild west
[08:41] <brobostigon> some people do that yes, and i thank thats plain stupid.
[08:43] <nucc11> anyway, that's one consideration. the other one is battery life, and actual perceived performance.
[08:43] <nucc11> but no need to start a flamewar.
[08:44] <foobarry> well there's always ubuntu mobile
[08:44] <nucc11> worse battery life
[08:44] <nucc11> limited app support.
[08:44] <foobarry> i thought we were talkign security
[08:44] <nucc11> ubuntu is untested, so you can't make any credible statements about it's security
[08:44] <nucc11> it's still too niche right now
[08:45] <nucc11> unless you're proposing security through obscurity
[09:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: EASY!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlDdcCzKjsc   also if dogs worked as hard as we do I'd be impressed ;)
[09:02] <JamesTait> davmor2, they have to work harder - those touch screen phones are difficult to use without opposable thumbs!
[09:09] <davmor2> JamesTait: that why with all have cats though, well that and to steal the cravendale obviously
[09:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: this morning I have jump the line but obviously that leads into banana boat song because of "the movie"
[09:12] <awilkins> They should so totally do Cats vs Cows on those ads
[09:12] <awilkins> And then Cat-team-up-with-Cows to take on the Humans
[09:14] <brobostigon> anyone have an og pebble, who can test my new watchface in a few weeks time?
[09:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: van halen for me
[10:46] <davmor2> well that was fun
[10:46] <davmor2> I discovered how to break virgin
[10:47] <knightwise> afternoon
[10:47] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[10:49] <nucc11> davmor2:  how?
[10:50] <foobarry> on reddit?
[10:50] <foobarry> sorry, bit rude :Z
[10:50] <davmor2> scp a copy of an iso from your home server from your website rather than intranet
[10:51] <nucc11> you break your router?
[10:51] <davmor2> nucc11: no just overloaded it I think
[10:51] <nucc11> so you were exaggerating
[10:52] <nucc11> check and make sure it's not buffer-bloat
[10:52] <davmor2> nucc11: no it took out the internet for me :)
[10:52] <nucc11> it took out your router. likely due to packet queuing.
[10:52] <foobarry> haven't heard buffer bloat since the digg days
[10:52] <davmor2> nucc11: probably
[10:52] <nucc11> personally, i set the TXqueue lenght on all the interfaces on my router to 100
[10:55] <nucc11> assuming the router did not crash and reboot, it's more likely the packets were being queued unfairly in favour of the large download
[10:55] <nucc11> and other connections were simply timing out due to packet loss
[10:56] <nucc11> especially considering virgin media's pitiful upload speeds
[10:56] <davmor2> nucc11: well when I say it took out the internet it stopped the download of the iso too
[10:56] <nucc11> then likely the router crashed
[10:56] <davmor2> nucc11: the minute I switched to internal network is transferred in seconds
[10:56] <nucc11> or you got throttled to nothingness
[10:57] <davmor2> nucc11: :)
[10:57] <nucc11> internal network is probably gigabit
[10:57] <davmor2> nucc11: yeap
[10:58] <nucc11> there's no contention there, so you can't even compare the two.
[11:43] <ujjain> how does active directory actually work? you specify a domain
[11:43] <ujjain> how does it know to which hostnames to connect?
[11:43] <ujjain> dns resolution or...?
[11:45] <MooDoo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Directory
[11:50] <davmor2> ujjain: you always miss "MAGIC" everything is done by magic
[11:57] <Laney> omg GBBO tonight
[11:59] <ujjain> how can I get all the Active-Diretory servers for a domain?
[12:08] <davmor2> ujjain: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto and https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/samba-ad-integration.html and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto
[12:10] <ujjain> yeah, that doesn't really help much, it's about finding out which domain controlelrs exist
[12:10] <ujjain> to find out if connectivity is good
[12:10] <ujjain> between them
[12:10] <ujjain> because now it works like 60% of the time, 40% of the time timeouts
[12:10] <ujjain> I'd like to compile a list of all available domain controllers from the linux server
[12:11] <ujjain> and like run nc -w1 ... on the port to see if it's available
[14:08] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[14:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: morning dude
[14:10] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[14:11] <bigcalm> 14.04.3 is out.  What's there left for you to do?
[14:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: WOT
[14:11] <popey> party
[14:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: where did you get that from
[14:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: I've been running do-release-upgrade on my VMs all morning and it's giving me 14.04.3
[14:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: hmmmm it shouldn't it isn't released till it is through testing
[14:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: 14.04.3 is released on thursday
[14:13] <bigcalm> snafu2 ~ $ ssh proliant
[14:13] <bigcalm> Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.13.0-61-generic x86_64)
[14:13] <bigcalm> That's my physical microserver
[14:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh dear
[14:15] <bigcalm> Who's head will now roll?
[14:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: anyway. So now that 14.04.3 is out, you can come to the LUG tonight :D
[14:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: it isn't out and I'm still testing it
[14:16] <bigcalm> Crikey, cutting it fine
[14:16] <bigcalm> Or is that always the way?
[14:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: You start testing on Monday find any installer issues, then there is a last spin up the day before
[14:17] <bigcalm> Okay
[14:26] <foobarry> anyone used twython twitter bot?
[14:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: I know why, it has installed 14.04.2 + all updates, which is effectively 14.04.3
[14:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: it's the ISO that drops on Thursday then?
[14:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeap
[14:33] <bigcalm> Gotcha
[14:39] <mapito> can someone see if this wors for them ; https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzr0qvz6uRerOGRfOEptU2p0ZkU/view its android lollipop files i need for flashing
[14:40] <mapito> but everytime i try and dl off google drive it fails before finishing;[
[15:34] <popey> willcooke: http://order-order.com/2015/08/05/ee-recall-exploding-death-chargers/
[15:34] <willcooke> \o/
[15:34] <willcooke> Good job they'd run out before I got one
[15:35] <popey> hah
[15:35] <davmor2> 1
[15:35] <popey> cheapo batteries are terrible - non shocker
[15:49] <shauno> tomorrow is .3 ?
[15:50] <popey> ya
[15:51] <shauno> hm.  timing is almost funny.  microserver thingie arrived today
[15:51] <mapps> what a hassle
[15:51] <mapps> to move my broadband i have to go there with my new rental agreement
[15:51] <mapps> and pay another £50 activation fee
[15:51] <mapps> seems fair
[16:02] <diddledan> shauno: new micro server! \o/
[16:02] <zmoylan-pi> how much would it cost to start as a new customer>
[16:12] <shauno> gotta admit, totally confused so far.  if I define an array in it's raid thingie, I still just see the physical disks in the ubuntu installer
[16:12] <jpds> shauno: Yep
[16:13] <jpds> shauno: Wait, what brand of RAID is it?
[16:13] <shauno> whatever's built into the machine, hp smart array something
[16:13] <diddledan> hp I would guess
[16:16] <shauno> pretty convinced this is going to go horribly wrong.  with two disks in raid1, I should be addressing a single logical volume, not two physical volumes
[16:17] <diddledan> shauno: is it not listed under a different device file?
[16:17] <shauno> I don't see it in the partitioning widget in the installer, no
[16:19] <popey> thats not proper raid
[16:19] <popey> I'd use linux md raid over that
[16:19] <shauno> I did try that first, but it failed to install grub
[16:20] <popey> did you make a separate /boot ?
[16:20] <popey> actually grub2 may not need that
[16:23] <shauno> not a /boot, but I did put the OS in the first 20GB, because I know I have a 2tb limit
[16:24] <diddledan> shauno: does /dev/cciss/ exist? that's where one of the hp smart array drivers put the array
[16:25] <diddledan> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man4/cciss.4.html
[16:25] <diddledan> really need to figure out what card it's using tho
[16:25] <shauno> it doesn't appear to (I'm still in the installer, so .. drivers?)
[16:58] <shauno> bah, just tried with a /boot and it did the same
[17:03] <daftykins> don't you have to install mdadm in the live session to see such arrays as a single unit?
[17:03] <daftykins> when it's the desktop ISO
[17:04] <shauno> I'm using the -server dialog-basd one
[17:05] <shauno> I have less and less idea what's going on though.  it seems /boot can't be on the array?
[17:05] <daftykins> hrmm
[17:06] <shauno> I dunno.  if I follow the instructions grub doesn't install.  and if I follow the instructions to use the hardware raid, I don't get raid.  that's all I've got so far
[17:08] <daftykins> oh this is the little toy microserver, interesting
[17:09] <shauno> yeah
[17:09] <daftykins> i'd keep the OS off an array personally :D
[17:09] <shauno> on my dell I just set the array in perc, the installer sees one disk and I install on it
[17:09] <daftykins> never played with one of those though, but as popey says perhaps RAID off and just let Linux handle it would be best
[17:09] <davmor2> shauno: which instructions are you following and for what version of ubuntu
[17:09] <daftykins> yeah but that's a proper controller
[17:10] <shauno> yeah, I'm trying "let linux handle it" at the moment, that's the version that leaves me with no grub
[17:10] <daftykins> but you have some BIOS config fighting it perhaps
[17:10] <shauno> davmor2: using https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/advanced-installation.html and 14.04.2
[17:10] <daftykins> is it even an up to date BIOS?
[17:11] <davmor2> shauno: what happens if you try a standard install initially to ensure that everything works?
[17:11] <shauno> (and sneaking a peek at debian's equivalent docs too, since I know most the serverguide is just copied verbatim from one release to the next)
[17:11] <davmor2> shauno: and is raid setup in the bios
[17:12] <shauno> I turned it back off in HP's stuff
[17:42] <shauno> bah.  tried to do everything perfecly normally (guided lvm), it won't boot from that either
[17:42] <daftykins> the BIOS is the newest? :>
[17:42] <daftykins> i bet there's some gotcha setting
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> Yesterday morning an nVidia update appeared in update list, was duly downloaded, installed itself without problem.
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> Yesterday evening on when starting PC, it got to log on, it logged on & went straight back to log on screen [no error shown] - would *not* go to desktop
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> I had no problem when reverting previous kernel ;)  Tonight I reinstalled the latest image [.61] - all ok again.
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> I put that last lot up here just in case it helps someone.
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> [noticed one odd thing in reverting to previous kernel... Steam claimed I had no games installed!  No prob now back to  .61
[17:51] <daftykins> 3.19 ?
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> 3.13.0-61
[17:53] <daftykins> ah so 14.04
[17:54] <SuperEngineer> & it was definitely the nVidia update that did it [no other update done] - my guess it is that it was trying to send display to my hdmi [TV & "2nd monitor"]
[17:55] <SuperEngineer> daftykins, yup 14.04
[18:11] <shauno> well, it looks like I'm getting somewhere.  I noticed the auto-lvm thingie created a 1MB 'biosgrub' partition at the start of the disk, so I did the same
[19:13] <SavageWolf> Anyone know about Nvidia GPUs?
[19:14] <daftykins> more specifically?
[19:14] <daftykins> what's your actual support question? :)
[19:14] <SavageWolf> I'm just wondering if the GT 540M is still supported.
[19:15] <SavageWolf> Like, if the drivers and whatnot are still supposed to work.
[19:16] <daftykins> that sounds like an optimus laptop inclusion, and yes
[19:16] <daftykins> likely you'll want to install at least nvidia-331 along with nvidia-prime
[19:16] <SavageWolf> I'm having this issue: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=201716 (which isn't really Mint specific) and I'm not sure whether it's due to a hardware fault, the card being too old, or what.
[19:17] <daftykins> so you're running Mint and asking for help in here 'cause the Mint channel on spotchat is no use, or?
[19:17] <daftykins> !mint
[19:18] <SavageWolf> The problem isn't specific to Mint and it occurred back when I was using Ubuntu.
[19:18] <daftykins> that's not what i asked
[19:18] <ali1234> SavageWolf: that is a bug in the game, or in nvidia driver
[19:18] <daftykins> yeah so you're talking about using bumblebee which is the ancient implementation for optimus
[19:18] <daftykins> use something old, gonna have problems
[19:18] <ali1234> there should be another error close by
[19:18] <SavageWolf> Oh, is there something new that replaced Bumblebee?
[19:18] <ali1234> but it won't be helpful
[19:18] <daftykins> yeah i just said, nvidia-prime
[19:19] <daftykins> but yeah, Mint has its' own problems
[19:19] <ali1234> i have triggered those types of error purely from software with opengl
[19:20] <ali1234> and with just a normal desktop GPU
[19:20] <SavageWolf> Anyway, I'm waiting for a reply on the forum, I just asked here because "is this card too old" seems like something quick and easy to answer that someone up-to-date with things would know.
[19:21] <daftykins> what forum?
[19:21] <ali1234> i use a GTX 780 - it can still crash
[19:22] <SavageWolf> The mint support forum I linked earlier.
[19:22] <ali1234> you cuod try the channel for nvidia driver as well
[19:22] <SavageWolf> Could something like this be caused by high memory load, come to think of it?
[19:22] <ali1234> i think it's #nvidia
[19:22] <ali1234> it is always quiet there though
[19:22] <ali1234> not this cannot be caused by high load
[19:23] <ali1234> it is a bug and only a bug
[19:23] <SavageWolf> Anyway, how does this prime thing work, does it give you a button to press to switch cards?
[19:24] <daftykins> wouldn't be a very stable system if load caused such issues :P
[19:24] <daftykins> look it up
[19:26] <SavageWolf> Anyway, I'll try this nvidia-prime thing, thanks.
[19:26] <daftykins> SavageWolf: sorry but you should seek your own distros support
[19:27] <SavageWolf> Okay, okay.
[19:29] <ali1234> technically all support is off topic for this channel, no?
[19:30] <daftykins> *shrug*
[19:30] <daftykins> just annoys me the Mint, elementary and even CentOS users that come in #ubuntu
[19:30] <daftykins> when in the above case this one was not even on the right network ;)
[19:30] <ali1234> i can understand it for #ubuntu
[19:30] <ali1234> but this isn't #ubuntu
[19:31] <daftykins> i don't really know what the purpose of the region specific channels is at all
[19:33] <ali1234> personally i think we should help mint users when we can
[19:34] <daftykins> that's nice :)
[19:37] <ali1234> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-64259/l/atmel-cad-library-for-cadsoft-eagle-software
[19:37] <ali1234> how annoying
[19:38] <ali1234> luckily you can just hide the thing that prevents you from downloading using the inspector
[19:38] <davmor2> I think we should help any user the best we can, unless it's MooDoo he should just know better
[19:39] <ali1234> the way i see it if we chase them off they're never going to switch from mint to ubuntu...
[19:39] <bittin> https://pastie.se/ea31004a wtf people
[19:39]  * zmoylan-pi raises hand with os/2 question... :-)
[19:40] <daftykins> do we want them to switch?
[19:40] <ali1234> i don't
[19:40] <daftykins> bittin: no thanks
[19:40] <bittin> daftykins: what?
[19:40] <ali1234> but i'd be happy if everyone just kept on using windows
[19:41] <daftykins> sharing silly links
[19:41] <bittin> ah
[20:04] <ali1234> since when did RS have free delivery?
[20:04] <zmoylan-pi> since they assumed your place was one of their storage units as it has so much gear in it? :-)
[20:05] <ali1234> ha
[20:05] <davmor2> ali1234: it's happens automatically on your millionth purchase
[20:06] <ali1234> what's this, dark souls on humble bundle?
[20:07] <davmor2> ali1234: probably just trying to keep up with competition and upped their price slightly but then you think oh but there is no p&p so I save x.p
[20:07] <ali1234> nobody else does free delivery though
[20:07] <ali1234> rapid does if you spend like £50
[20:07] <shauno> I'm surprised they didn't already?  farnell give me free next-day over 20eur, and I'm not even in the same country
[20:07] <ali1234> farnell is in every country
[20:08] <shauno> we have a web storefront here, but it's always shipped from the UK or the netherlands
[20:08] <shauno> which is why I was surprised their next-day really is next-day, let alone free
[20:09] <shauno> (next-day tends to be a euphamism for 3-5 days here)
[20:09] <davmor2> ali1234: that's my point.  You look at rs lets say X is £10 but on amazon X is £8.50 but £2 p&p all of a sudden you are better off going to rs
[20:09] <ali1234> yes but nothing on RS is £10
[20:10] <ali1234> it's all surface mount resistors that cost 0.01p
[20:10] <davmor2> ali1234: it was just a let's say :)
[20:10] <ali1234> which is why they used to have a minimum order
[20:10] <ali1234> but apparently they dont now
[20:11] <ali1234> i only go to RS for stuff i literally can't get anywhere else
[20:11] <ali1234> for example i'm trying to buy some ATTINY24 in soic-14 packages
[20:12] <ali1234> i guess you are right, they need to compete with the chinese sellers on amazon and ebay
[20:15] <davmor2> ali1234: I would assume that they would need to round up to the nearest real denomination for a sale anyway so if you get 1 0.01p item, they would have to charge you a 1p at a guess
[20:17]  * zmoylan-pi pictures the poor staff navigating warehouse size of one storing ark in indiana jones movie looking for 1 x .01p part... :-)
[20:18] <shauno> heh, they just come on huge reels
[20:19] <shauno> so it's not so much finding them, more likely just annoying them by having them snip 10 off the end of a tape, rather than just throwing a box in the trolley
[20:19] <daftykins> :>
[20:19] <zmoylan-pi> so more like the scene were indy is fleeing the giant rock then when one of the reels is dislodged :-D
[20:20] <ali1234> snip off 10 and put it in an anti-static bag, print a label, and stick it on the bag
[20:20] <shauno> that said, the ones coming in tubes have bugged the familyfriendly out of me.  I don't have drawers that'll fit them
[20:22]  * diddledan plays with shauno's familyfriendlies
[20:22] <diddledan> :-p
[20:23] <diddledan> hint: there is no word or phrase I won't try to convert into a euphemism :-D
[20:23] <shauno> pft.  you're still avoiding the pub tomorrow
[20:24] <daftykins> diddledan's skipping out on your first ever meet up? :(
[20:24] <daftykins> diddledan: poor show!
[20:25] <shauno> lol, you tell him!
[20:26]  * daftykins continues to boo as he takes his empties down to the kitchen
[20:26] <shauno> I'm just not sure what to do in southampton for an evening.  we've only ever driven straight through to the ferry terminal before
[20:27] <zmoylan-pi> oooh, my sister used to work in southampton driving new vehicles off the transporters bringing them in.
[20:28] <shauno> well, I wasn't looking for a job so much, I only have ~8 hours
[20:28] <zmoylan-pi> meant she had a driving licence for all types of vehicles except tracked vehicles which got funny looks every time she was pulled over
[20:30] <daftykins> :D
[20:31] <daftykins> well soton has to have *something* of worth, right? right?
[20:31] <daftykins> stroll in the black forest if that's the name?
[20:31] <shauno> I think that's a cake?
[20:31] <shauno> diddledan: there's cake!
[20:31] <daftykins> new forest!
[20:31] <daftykins> there y'go
[20:31] <diddledan> OMG!
[20:32] <diddledan> CAKE!
[20:32] <daftykins> go for a slice of black forest in the new forest
[20:32] <diddledan> there is a black forest, too, but I don't know where
[20:32] <daftykins> oh yeah amazingstoke is only up the road
[20:32] <diddledan> or maybe it's black country?
[20:32] <daftykins> damn it diddledan i demand you attend!
[20:32] <shauno> I thought black forest was germany
[20:32] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.nerdydaytrips.com/
[20:34] <shauno> lol
[20:34] <shauno> well, I arrive about 5pm and have to be out at the crack of dawn the next day.  so not so much day trips, just .. I guess food and beer :)


[00:29] <daykiller> I would to make a remix of xubuntu . I want to remove some files that i do not need and i some that i do . Then make a iso of my remix  Is there any way to do this ?
[00:42] <holstein> daykiller: yes
[00:44] <daykiller> holstein : Can you point in the right directions .
[00:44] <daykiller> holstein : Can you point me in the right directions .
[00:44] <Unit193> !remix
[00:45] <Unit193> !remaster
[00:45] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization ..also, you can just make your installation as you want, and clone it.. i found that easier.. but, it really depends on what you are doing.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/452022/remastersys-alternative shows a fork of remastersys
[00:45] <daykiller> Thanks you guys
[00:45] <holstein> i have used UCK ^ in the past..
[04:51] <HearT^KilleR> can someone help me with installing an eggdrop
[04:53] <Unit193> HearT^KilleR: I'd recommend #eggdrop
[04:54] <HearT^KilleR> ok thanks
[09:22] <pj-xubuntu> Can anyone help me with wifi causing interrupt to audio when playing music/video straming/files?
[10:28] <xubuntu020> hellou
[10:30] <SpiderOne> Does anyone knows why my xubuntu 14.02 lts will freeze and it will give me messages like  input/output fail?
[10:31] <cfhowlett> hdd failing?
[10:45] <SpiderOne> I think that is the problem
[10:45] <SpiderOne> I got an Emachines
[10:45] <bekks> Whats an "Emachines"?
[10:46] <SpiderOne> yeah
[10:46] <SpiderOne> one of the last Emachines
[10:46] <bekks> What is it?
[10:46] <S0nix> Emachine, holy crap are they still in business?
[10:46] <SpiderOne> no wonder why emachines are not around
[10:47] <S0nix> nvm oh thank god
[10:47] <SpiderOne> model eL1852g
[10:49] <SpiderOne> This is it http://www.cnet.com/products/emachines-el1852g-52w-pentium-e5800-3-2-ghz-3-gb-1-tb-lcd-20/specs/
[10:50] <SpiderOne> I think the harddrive over heats and fails.
[10:50] <SpiderOne> hard drive
[10:50] <bekks> Why do you think it overheats?
[10:51] <SpiderOne> yes because after two hours the computer will restart just fine but after 10 min or so it will give that message and crash.
[10:51] <bekks> Which message?
[10:52] <SpiderOne> input/output fail, input/output fail and then the computer will freeze and crash.
[10:52] <bekks> Do you have a specific error message?
[10:53] <SpiderOne> not from xubuntu
[10:53] <SpiderOne> I think its the hard drive that overheats and crashes.
[10:53] <bekks> Without a specific error message, we're bound to guessing.
[10:54] <SpiderOne> yeah.  I just installed a usb and I'm using it as a hard drive. Lets see what happens.
[10:54] <bekks> How about getting a specific error message instead.
[10:54] <bekks> That would be targetting.
[10:55] <SpiderOne> I been looking around for an error message but I never get one.
[10:55] <SpiderOne> It just freezes
[10:56] <bekks> Where did you look? :)
[10:56] <SpiderOne> in the comand line and the task manager.....
[10:57] <bekks> "in the command line" means exactly nothing.
[10:57] <bekks> Which log files did you look at?
[10:57] <SpiderOne> ohh I dint look there.
[10:57] <SpiderOne> the log files
[10:57] <bekks> So you did not look for errors.
[10:57] <SpiderOne> I guess.
[10:58] <SpiderOne> I'm reinstalling xubuntu in the Usb drive.  Hopefully it will be fine
[10:58] <bekks> How about looking at the log files just mentioned?
[10:58] <SpiderOne> The hard drive its disconnected from the pc
[10:59] <bekks> Well, I'm resting this case then. I thought this would have been a real issue, not sone general chat.
[11:01] <Spider_> for some reason firefox crash
[11:08] <SpiderOne> ok
[11:16] <ManicPanic> Xubuntu killed the wireless adapter in my laptop :(
[11:17] <bazhang> !crosspost | ManicPanic
[11:18] <ManicPanic> bazhang: Xubuntu is Ubuntu, so i dont know where is right to ask
[11:19] <SpiderOne> ok
[11:20] <bazhang> ManicPanic, in a single channel, thats where
[11:22] <ManicPanic> i installed Xubuntu 14.04 yesterday. Wifi was perfect, now its gone from every possible check
[11:22] <bazhang> ManicPanic, you are getting help in #ubuntu already
[13:25] <lopta> I really like how Xubuntu works on the laptop I'm testing.
[13:25] <lopta> It doesn't seem to resume properly from suspend though.
[13:25] <lopta> I get a grey screen with just a mouse pointer on it.
[13:26] <lopta> Ah, I had to hit some keys to get the login screen.
[13:27] <ochosi> lopta: yes that is a known issue that has been fixed meanwhile
[13:28] <ochosi> depending on what version of xubuntu you're on, you might only get that fix in the next release though
[13:29] <lopta> Ah good. I'm on 15.04
[13:31] <ochosi> lopta: the package that needs the update is lightdm-gtk-greeter
[13:32] <ochosi> and the version you want is 2.0.1, if i'm not mistaken now
[13:32] <lopta> Can I update that from the command line?
[13:34] <ochosi> so far, the new package only exists for wily
[13:34] <ochosi> aka 15.10
[13:34] <lopta> Ah thanks
[13:34] <ochosi> unless you want to add a PPA, which is at your own risk
[13:34] <ochosi> gotta go, good luck!
[13:34] <lopta> Thanks for your help ochosi!
[16:38] <lopta> Oh pants. Apparently I can't boot the xubuntu 15.04 .iso image from a USB flash drive.
[16:38] <xangua> yes you can¿
[16:40] <lopta> xangua: Hmm... didn't work on this laptop.
[16:40] <lopta> Oh! I know what caused that.
[16:40] <lopta> Hang on, I need a thing...
[16:41] <lopta> Note to self: make sure the USB flash stick is large enough to hold the image.
[17:50] <xubuntu895> hello
[17:50] <xubuntu895> Anyone reading this?
[17:50] <holstein> xubuntu895: yes.. ask if you have a question, and a volunteer may assist
[17:51] <xubuntu895> Is it possible to connect via the Terminal directly onto my vServer, which is running Debian?
[17:51] <holstein> nothing about xubuntu will prevent that.. i would setup ssh
[17:51] <holstein> !ssh
[17:51] <holstein> which, if you have it setup on the server, you can just connect without adding any packages
[17:51] <xubuntu895> Thank you!
[17:59] <xubuntu09w>  Hello everyone! I'm new to Linux and started to use it because i'm full of Windows dictatorship! But before use on all my home computers, I decided to test it on my Asus EEE PC 1215N with a graphic of NVidea ION2. I have tried 4 Linux OS so far: Elementarya, Mint, Ubuntu and now Xubuntu. This is definitely what I like, but I have had some difficulties. It all started when I drag the windows and they act very laggy  (except when
[18:01] <xubuntu09w> definition).  To solve the problem i followed a tutorial on the internet that only brought me problems! Installed Compiz and hung up the VBlank in OpenGL settings, changed the refresh rate to 70 and turned off the refresh rate detection in the composite menu. Also in NVidea definitions I put the textures for performance and management d eenergia to performance as well. Know my mouse freezes and the windows still lag on drag. Tha
[18:04] <holstein> i used to simply disable the nvidia part on my 1215n, xubuntu09w
[18:05] <xubuntu09w> So you dont use proprietary driver?
[18:07] <holstein> my bad.. it was a 1015n
[18:07] <holstein> anyways, i used the intel side
[18:07] <holstein> keep in mind, its open for nvidia to provide us support for that hardware.. but, since they havent, it can be problematic
[18:08] <holstein> if i could disable the nvidia side in the bios, i would simply do that.. otherewise, you can look at what others do with the hardware.. and always try the larger #ubuntu channel, since its driver support, kernel level
[18:09] <xubuntu09w> Yes I study the case but you think the mouse freezing problem and windows lag is because of the graphic card? By the way, your 1015n can play youtube videos in HD without lag?
[18:09] <holstein> xubuntu09w: i have not expected it to do that..
[18:10] <holstein> xubuntu09w: in youtube, i dont do hd on an older piece of hardware like that..
[18:10] <holstein> not with hardware support on a community level, that is not specifically promised from the creators of the hardware
[18:11] <holstein> xubuntu09w: this is what i referred to https://sites.google.com/site/mtrons/howtos/eeepc-1015pn if your hardware is the same.. which, i dont think it is
[18:12] <xubuntu09w> Yes it is! I just have more ram ( 3 gb ) and my nvidea ion is the version 2
[18:12] <xubuntu09w> And with Xubuntu... Is runing really smooth! But it's a shame that is so unstable because of this problem :/
[18:13] <holstein> xfce wont require 3d to run
[18:14] <xubuntu09w> So I should use noveaux drivers?
[18:14] <holstein> xubuntu09w: "should" is challenging, here. in this case.. i mean, nvidia *should* provide support for the hardware for the operating system you are trying to use
[18:14] <holstein> other than that, since they dont.. you may have to just try lots of options,a nd go with the most appropriate compromise
[18:15] <xubuntu09w> In your opinion what I should try?
[18:15] <holstein> xubuntu09w: as i said, i chose to disable the nvidia side, using the guide i gave
[18:15] <holstein> but, ultimately, i chose to move on, and not use the hardware any longer
[18:17] <xubuntu09w> Thanks for the holstein! For future buys, what i should look on a laptop to run Linux?
[18:17] <xubuntu09w> *for the help
[18:18] <holstein> xubuntu09w: well, one can always purchase something with a promise of linux support.. system76, for example.. but, mostly, intel can be a "good" choice.. just depends
[18:19] <xubuntu09w> Ok, well i will try to fix my Eeepc. Thanks again for all the help!
[18:22] <jace24> Hey is it fine if I use a tethered connection from my device to my PC as my main source of internet or will there be any issues?
[19:30] <sleezio> i recently removed adobe flash, i'm able to watch regualr youtube vids via html5, but i can't view a live yourtube channel, rightclick debug shows: YTP_HTML5_NO_AVAILABLE_FORMATS_FALLBACK..i've installed the 'extras' and the x264 package, but still not able to view...what am i missing?
[19:31] <xangua> you are missing adobe flash player
[19:32] <sleezio> right, i removed it yesterday, i've been using html5 to watch the vids, just not able to view a live feed
[20:05] <lopta> When I have the blue screen with the spinny thing on it, is there a key I can press to see what's going on underneath?
[20:06] <lopta> (I want to see whether it's stuck).
[20:08] <lopta> Apparently it wasn't. Eventually it cleared and gave me a desktop.
[20:19] <lopta> Hmm... but when I go to shut down, I get the blue splash screen with the spinny thing.
[20:57] <dbbeck> trying to install OpenGL 3.2 to run OpenBroadcast OBS software on Xubuntu 14.04 64bit
[21:51] <cdawe> hi all


[03:48]  * thafreak aparently isn't going to make it to OLF after all... :/
[21:51] <murph_nj> Hi all!  Anyone at OLF?


[01:35] <cxdvty> ObrienDave: You here bro?
[01:36] <ObrienDave> yup
[01:37] <cxdvty> There are no updates for ubuntu 15.04 after fresh install?
[01:38] <ObrienDave> probably not, did you get the beta or the daily?
[01:38] <cxdvty> beta
[01:39] <cxdvty> will i get an update for the big systemd tomorrow?
[01:39] <ObrienDave> i don't know. could be
[01:39] <cxdvty> And an update when ubuntu 15.04 gets officially released in april?
[01:40] <ObrienDave> i'm sure there will be updates before then
[01:40] <ObrienDave> that's not due out for 6 weeks or so
[01:40] <cxdvty> I mean when it comes out will i have to download it or can i update to the official release from here
[01:42] <cxdvty> What do you think
[01:42] <ObrienDave> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/11/ubuntu-15-04-release-schedule-date-vivid-vervet
[01:42] <cxdvty> i know its april 23
[01:43] <ObrienDave> you can do a dist-upgrade
[01:43] <cxdvty> sudo apt-get upgrade?
[01:45] <cxdvty> Is that how
[01:45] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:46] <cxdvty> oh ok
[06:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:46] <rat> whelp. I expect that you guys will be hearing plenty come morning when people start reporting in about the systemd switchover...
[10:46] <rat> But it completely broke my ability to use a mouse and keyboard with 15.04 on my chromebook.
[10:46] <rat> Extended hangs during boot and all other sorts of wonderful goodies.
[10:54] <snadge> sign me up.. has it started already?
[10:55] <snadge> oh it has.. :D
[10:56] <rat> yeah. i updated my packages about 30 minutes ago, rebooted and the fun hit me in the face with a sledgehammer.
[10:57] <rat> Had to enable the grub menu so that I can boot with upstart instead. Otherwise I get mandatory 90s hangs for script jobs on nonexistent partitions and no keyboard or mouse in XFCE.
[10:58] <rat> That's relatively minor, considering. I imagine some people are going to experience much worse depending on how esoteric their hardware is.
[10:58] <lordievader> My nfs boot broke, sort of.
[10:59] <rat> This is 11.04 all over again. ;)
[11:01] <k1l_> chromebooks are a different matter, since they need special treatment
[11:03] <rat> yes and no. 4 lines added to /etc/modules is all I needed for everything to work on mine.
[11:05] <rat> Kernel 3.19 has all the patches needed for input support, so for most cases, like mine... it's native.
[11:05] <rat> And systemd still broke it.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:29] <suryatejak> hello everyone, I am a newbie in this room and would like to ask you people something
[12:37] <k1l_> hmm, now we will never get a chance to answer that :(
[12:49] <k1l_> "systemctl status" lists state: degraded. is this right?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> k1l_, yeah i get the same response
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> so, seems systemd will be default on vivid afterall :p
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> !info systemd
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> nice
[14:25] <k1l_> the switch was today. welcome do systemd hell :/
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> k1l_: are you not happy with that?
[14:27] <k1l_> i dont like how all that went and the technical disadvantages.
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> k1l_: but doesnt systemd boot faster then classical init.d?
[14:27] <k1l_> come on. that is all just PR bullshit
[14:28] <k1l_> "and it got colored logs, look, so pretty!"
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> k1l_: maybe shuttleworth will admit also in 5 years, switching to systemd was also a mistake lol :p
[14:28] <k1l_> if you stripdown a system, like it was to showcase the fast booting systemd, every other system boots fast.
[14:29] <k1l_> with redhat winning the debian technical board voting there was no other chance then to let upstart die. that is a pitty
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> im curious how it will run on vivid :p
[14:31] <k1l_> just run the updates. its in since today
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> im still on trusty :p, just following the vidi news also
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> *vivid
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> i saw the systemd switch on softpedia
[14:38] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, systemd running fine here, but I don't notice any faster boot times
[14:39] <BluesKaj> on 15.04 Kubuntu with plasma 5/KF5
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: nice
[14:43] <BluesKaj> mind you this is also an older pc , 2008 vintage with 6G Ram upgrade and a faster 7200rpm HDD rather than the stock one , but I doubt even that makes a difference
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> the reason i will like systemd better, its gonna be more easy to disable systemd services
[14:44] <BluesKaj> it's actaull faster with kubuntu 14.10 ..less baggage than the plasma5 methinks
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> now you have to edit service.override manually, i dont like that
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: i would like to see ubuntu bootup on systemd with services disabled that arent really needed
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> like CUPS on a laptop example
[14:46] <k1l_> boottimes dont matter tbh
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> k1l_: i like a fast boot on ssd
[14:47] <k1l_> upstart did boot fast.
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> thats true
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> i dont complain :p
[14:48] <BluesKaj> yeah , I'm not worried much about faster boot times ...it's not pi**ng contset , like some think it has to be ...silly notions
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> well i do like to enable/disable services an easy way
[14:49] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, those services are where?
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: well ive tested a few packages like jobsadmin example on trusty, seems like the classic init.d doesnt disable them properly
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> !info jobsadmin
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> !info jobs-admin
[14:51] <k1l_> lotuspsychje: well, ubuntu uses upstart
[14:52] <k1l_> or "did" use
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> k1l_: yes i know, i had to disable cups manually instead of using a GUI
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> cups.override
[14:52] <k1l_> and now its the fact it was a bad idea to not force everyone to use upstart scripts.
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> k1l_: what you think will happen in the future with systemd then?
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> k1l_: an article about it here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/07/ubuntu_to_switch_to_systemd/
[14:55] <k1l_> well, it is in the process of getting a big monster. i wonder when it comes with own desktop and kernel :)
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> k1l_: The plan is to use systemd for a few weeks and if "there are too many or too big regressions", Vivid will be reverted to boot with upstart by default.
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> oh-oh
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> http://www.webupd8.org/2015/03/ubuntu-1504-vivid-vervet-switches-to.html
[14:59] <k1l_> lotuspsychje: in the long run there is no way back
[15:00] <k1l_> you cant keep the effort to patch the logind and other services out of systemd and make them work with upstart again.
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> yeah its pretty black or white here
[15:00] <k1l_> that is the reason ubuntu decided to go with systemd after the debian vote was for systemd
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> ill stick to LTS until the war is over :p
[15:01] <k1l_> the war is over
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> you see no return then?
[15:02] <k1l_> like i said: there is only one possible way. and that is the systemd way.
[15:02] <k1l_> do you pay 100s of developers to strip all the services out of systemd again to make them work with upstart?
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[15:03] <k1l_> the linux "community" choose to go the systemd way. so be it
[15:04] <k1l_> and with community i mean people beeing paid by redhat :)
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> nothing to decide as user anymore
[15:05] <marcusk> Well just use RHEL 6 then, it uses Upstart. :-)
[15:06] <k1l_> fedora simulates that they let the users decide there. but in reality its all run by redhat for their business decisions. i am fine with that but not with people telling me that its the users choice.
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> true statement
[15:07] <k1l_> its always a big shitstorm if canonical does some decisions. but other companies can do what they want. that is not right imho.
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> unity, amazon, systemd,..whats next
[15:09] <k1l_> i am looking forward to unity8 and MIR on the desktop.
[15:09] <k1l_> but that will take some time
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> MIR is promising indeed
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> and the ubuntu phones are doing great also
[15:12] <k1l_> that is another one where ubuntu/canonical delivered. unlike some heavy critics
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> k1l_: well as long as the normal user can use ubuntu on their hardware, its a good thing right
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> better ubuntu then android nightmare
[15:14] <k1l_> no i mean there are some groups who started shitstorms on purpose to isolate ubuntu/canonical from the rest of the linux community.
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> yeah i understand
[15:15] <k1l_> like the kde guys with their vivaldi tablet that never happend but made heavy critics against ubuntu touch. or the kde guys trying to stirr up drama about Xmir, when they praise Xwayland.
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> so far for 'opensource' then
[15:18] <k1l_> the reason they gave for forbidding to make MIR, systemd never had been allowed to be made :)
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> :p
[15:52] <rww> Excellent example of the kind of nonsense we'll have to put up with in #ubuntu in April. Thanks for the reminder to get my bingo card ready before then.
[15:52] <rww> also a very large alcohol order -_-
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> rww: :p
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: how's the overall smoothness on vivid?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, it's ok , thee are some small issues like app freezes which unfreeze with alt-tab, and desktop switching is nice and smooth ..it's ok and getting better with each upgrade
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: ok tnx for feedback
[20:14] <cxdvty> hey all... anyone chatting atm??
[20:14] <cxdvty> ObrienDave you here?
[20:15] <ObrienDave> yup
[20:15] <cxdvty> Is sytemd our for 15.04 yet?
[20:15] <ObrienDave> don't know
[20:16] <cxdvty> Anyone with 15.04 ?? d:
[20:16] <cxdvty> I ransudo apt-get dist-upgrade and its running
[20:16] <ObrienDave> cool
[20:18] <cxdvty> yeah hopefully i can boot after lol
[20:21] <elfy> cxdvty: you made it then :)
[20:22] <cxdvty> yes ^.^
[20:22] <cxdvty> I just need to know if they have switched to systemd yet
[20:22] <elfy> apparently so
[20:22] <MoonUnit`> yes
[20:23] <cxdvty> How do i get the update?
[20:24] <MoonUnit`> normal dist-upgrade i think
[20:24] <cxdvty> Ok that's running already
[20:24] <cxdvty> Does the system get better with systemd?
[20:25] <elfy> better?
[20:25] <MoonUnit`> it may boot faster
[20:25] <cxdvty> Like right now when i open/close windows its like they are having a seizure lol
[20:26] <elfy> that'll be something else
[20:26] <cxdvty> Does that happen to you guys?
[20:26] <elfy> MoonUnit`: it did used to boot faster here - now I appear to have a glitch with kvm and virt ethernet or something
[20:27] <elfy> cxdvty: not me
[20:27] <elfy> I don't use kubuntu though
[20:27] <MoonUnit`> cxdvty: nor me
[20:28] <MoonUnit`> elfy: i've had problems with kvm since 3.19, page allocation failures.
[20:28] <elfy> right
[20:28] <elfy> I didn't want to allocate blame - kvm is new to me for a start
[20:28] <elfy> I just know if I remove it - it boots in 3 seconds ish
[20:29] <elfy> that said - it's all booted to desktop fine before that
[20:29] <elfy> so ...
[20:29] <cxdvty> This is annnoying
[20:30] <elfy> cxdvty: I'd start by seeing if there's any graphics drivers available
[20:31] <cxdvty> Ok
[20:31] <cxdvty> you can guide me lol'
[20:31] <cxdvty> Im in quite a situation
[20:31] <elfy> nope
[20:31] <elfy> I don't use Kubuntu ;)
[20:31] <cxdvty> How do i check for drivers
[20:31] <elfy> System Settings Menu under “Driver Manager for Kubuntu”
[20:31] <elfy> apparently
[20:32] <MoonUnit`> cxdvty: maybe go into settings/display and monitor/compositor and try changing some settings
[20:32] <keithzg> Or just type "driver" into krunner (alt+f2) and you'll probably get it, cxdvty ;)
[20:32] <keithzg> (who uses menus anymore? they're soooo 2009 :P)
[20:32] <elfy> lol
[20:33] <keithzg> (KDE4 came out in 2008, but it was only 2010 that it didn't crash hard on my NVIDIA twinview setup, heh)
[20:33] <cxdvty> driver management software
[20:33] <keithzg> cxdvty: Yup, that's the ticket.
[20:34] <cxdvty> Ok
[20:34] <cxdvty> it says Collecting information about your system
[20:35] <cxdvty> do i just wait
[20:35] <elfy> yes
[20:38] <cxdvty> still waiting lol
[20:38] <keithzg> It shouldn't take *too* long, though. Or maybe I just always buy fast, expensive machines, heh
[20:38] <cxdvty> ever go home aftyer school and accidentally sneak to many beers and you think you cant keep your cool lol
[20:38] <cxdvty> im a little messed up
[20:39] <keithzg> Friends don't let friends drunk upgrade? ;)
[20:40] <cxdvty> stahp oit im good lol
[20:40] <cxdvty> So i got a few options for drivers but i cant screenshot
[20:40] <keithzg> Hmm, sure you can't? Try manually running ksnapshot.
[20:40] <cxdvty> im building a bad fututre profed machine that will kick your ass haha
[20:40] <cxdvty> ok
[20:42] <cxdvty> uploading it w
[20:43] <cxdvty> http://imgur.com/9lthLYV
[20:43] <cxdvty> what do i choose lol
[20:44] <keithzg> I'd try out fglrx-updates, that's what I normally run on my AMD graphics systems.
[20:47] <cxdvty> ok
[20:48] <MoonUnit`> using the 4.0 rc3 kernel with my Ati card.
[20:48] <cxdvty> ok
[20:49] <MoonUnit`> using open source drivers
[20:50] <cxdvty> Does anyone use samsung galaxy s3?
[20:51] <cxdvty> !language | cxdvty
[20:54] <cxdvty> !language
[20:54] <cxdvty> !ask
[20:54] <cxdvty> !poop
[20:54] <cxdvty> d: sorry im just testiung
[20:54] <elfy> please don't play with the bot in here
[20:55] <cxdvty> Sorry bro
[20:56] <cxdvty> brb ima reboot this puppy
[20:57] <keithzg> heh, best of luck to him, I just rebooted my 15.04 laptop after running an upgrade and now GRUB isn't even loading!
[20:58] <elfy> hopefully he listened yesterday and dualbooted with 14.04
[20:58] <elfy> oh
[20:58] <elfy> that'll not help with no grub
[20:59] <elfy> that said I upgrade ~hour or so back and rebooted ok
[20:59] <keithzg> Oh, yeah, I doubt it's a universal problem that I'm running into.
[21:00] <keithzg> GRUB has never quite played nicely with this laptop.
[21:00] <elfy> that's meh
[21:01] <keithzg> It's not *too* surprising, a Chromebook ain't a normal scenario, guess it gets overlooked.
[21:01] <keithzg> Since I still have ChromeOS installed I can always just boot into that, mount my *buntu install and chroot into it to fix things up.
[21:02] <keithzg> (which is literally what I'm doing right now)
[21:03] <cxdvty> I'm back
[21:04] <elfy> keithzg: aaah - saw someone else with chromebook issues a day or so ago
[21:04] <elfy> unless it was you in here ;)
[21:05] <keithzg> elfy: Nope, only remembered this channel existed today, heh
[21:05] <keithzg> (and hadn't been running into issues with the +1 this cycle yet anyways)
[21:05] <keithzg> cxdvty: Windows performing better when minimizing and such now?
[21:05] <cxdvty> seems so
[21:07] <keithzg> Good to hear.
[21:07] <cxdvty> yes (:
[21:07] <elfy> keithzg: was in here http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/03/09/%23ubuntu+1.html#t10:46
[21:08] <xiph> Is systemd here to stay now?
[21:10] <lordievader> Likely, yes.
[21:10] <xiph> Finally! :-)
[21:11] <lordievader> Hehe, finally someone positive about systemd ;)
[21:11] <keithzg> elfy: Hmm, wonder what Chromebook he was running. But yeah, my own problem is sadly even lower level than that; still can't seem to get GRUB to load again, hrmmmm
[21:11] <keithzg> Aha wait I was just being silly.
[21:12] <cxdvty> i love it so far lordievader
[21:12] <xiph> I guess a lot of people are screaming about it, but I just wanted to come by and say that so far it has just worked fine for me.
[21:12] <keithzg> Forgot --force (since grub, somewhat correctly, won't really install in the classic configuration on a drive using GPT).
[21:13] <keithzg> Heh my first experience with it was a complete disaster, although that was in Debian Jessie and I *did* open a bug report for it. My first ever actual Debian bug submission! https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=778268
[21:13] <cxdvty> Can you tweak kubuntu/ubuntu safely? ObrienDave
[21:13] <keithzg> Actually, that's not quite true. My first direct experience with systemd has been with SailfishOS, and it's been quite great there.
[21:13] <cxdvty> !utopic
[21:14] <cxdvty> !Android
[21:14] <elfy> cxdvty: please
[21:14] <cxdvty> dang wheres the android channel
[21:15] <cxdvty> elfy: Trying to find out where android is
[21:15] <cxdvty> elfy: I put utopic cuz thats what i was thinking about but i meand android d:
[21:15] <elfy> then look in the server > list of channels
[21:15] <lordievader> I've had mixed experiences. On (K)Ubuntu the first time it went very smooth. On Gentoo it was a disaster. Another (K)Ubuntu netboot has problems with the rootfs.
[21:15] <lordievader> !alis | cxdvty
[21:17] <cxdvty> join #freenode
[21:17] <cxdvty> forgot the slash
[21:19] <ObrienDave> cxdvty, up to a point. i try to NOT tweak too much
[21:24] <keithzg> Package management is your friend for tweaking. The important thing is to know where your user's config files for something are. Once you know that, and are willing to do purges and reinstalls of packages, you're *generally* pretty safe.
[21:24] <keithzg> But I'm the kind of guy who, when things break, goes "oooh, interesting!", so take that with a grain of salt ;)
[21:25] <cxdvty> ok
[21:28] <lordievader> keithzg: That is the fun part, right, when things break :P
[21:29] <cxdvty> anyone use ubuntu touch?
[21:30] <cxdvty> ??
[21:30] <elfy> on a nexus7 I am
[21:30] <cxdvty> Hows the battery
[21:30] <cxdvty> does sms and phone calls work
[21:31] <cxdvty> What is the app store like?
[21:31] <cxdvty> Snapchat and others available?
[21:31] <elfy> not looked - not had it long
[21:33] <cxdvty> ok but do phone plans work on it
[21:33] <keithzg> Used Ubuntu Touch a bit on a Nexus 4, seems nice and stable but functionally far behind Android and SailfishOS (the latter is what I normally boot my Nexus 4 into). Still, I check in from time to time and it seems to be coming along nicely enough.
[21:34] <keithzg> Hmmm, just upgraded to systemd now on my 15.04 Chromebook. Now don't get the display manager coming up, just the systemd boot listing with mostly OK's but a bunch of FAILED lines too.
[21:36] <cxdvty> i didnt have any probs
[21:36] <cxdvty> brb switching to ubuntu
[21:37] <keithzg> ...hmmm, tried to pipe "systemctl --failed" to pastebinit, but apparently I don't have that installed. So tried to, but it seems to think /var/lib/dpkg/lock is read-only.
[21:37] <keithzg> Yet mount shows / as mounted rw
[21:38] <keithzg> Yeah, that's weird, any attempt I make at writing to the root partition fails, even though mount claims that / is mounted read-write.
[21:39] <keithzg> Does that happen to sound like your rootfs problem, lordievader?
[21:41] <lordievader> keithzg: Yes.
[21:41] <lordievader> keithzg: 'sudo mount -o remount,rw /' fixes that.
[21:42] <lordievader> But the more annoying part is in the initramfs. It will mount and umount the root fs a whole number of times before continueing.
[22:19] <keithzg> lordievader: Hmm, seems to boot pretty instantly for me (and then stop for ages there because of the lack of rw), and then when I remount it loads lightdm without any visible delay.
[22:19] <lordievader> keithzg: Is your rootfs on nfs?
[22:19] <keithzg> lordievader: Nope, just good ol' ext4
[22:19] <lordievader> My root is on nfs ;)
[22:20] <keithzg> ahhh, I can see how a delay that's imperceptable on my end might end up being . . . not so for you ;)
[22:21] <keithzg> My output of systemctl --failed looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10571118/
[22:21] <lordievader> Guess I should do that sometime on that host...
[22:26] <keithzg> Any quick way to restart all failed services?
[22:27] <k1l> for me its only ntp.service that failed
[23:33] <cxdvty> Hey guys :D
[23:46] <cxdvty> ObrienDave know anything about ipod touch and itunes?
[23:50] <ObrienDave> oh heavens no
[23:51] <k1l> if you want a compatible hardware buy compatible hardware :) and no, the apple stuff is one of the most un-open one
[23:55] <cxdvty> I am gonna port android to my ipod touch but i forgot my passcode


[05:23] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:44] <brobostigon> https://twitter.com/scraliontis/status/1154280573797580801
[06:53] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:53] <brobostigon> \o
[06:55] <daftykins> \o/
[07:24] <daftykins> naughty SSD in my server decided life wasn't worth living, so it took the VM that was stashed on it with it - my my
[07:27] <brobostigon> :(
[07:28] <daftykins> kept working to read mind you, so i was able to copy it off - it just doesn't boot properly anymore
[07:28] <daftykins> very interesting, someone on github has a project edit of vmfs-tools to be able to mount the version 6 file system, read only however... meant i got to the data from a dingo live session fine :)
[07:29] <brobostigon> :)
[09:16] <daftykins> all recovered \o/
[09:16] <daftykins> now to celebrate with some music, ah
[09:17] <brobostigon> :)
[09:25] <daftykins> oop gotta switch host back now
[10:18] <brobostigon> https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1154309504370139137 well its happened, lets hope mps have a backbone.
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> eeeeeew, new twitter ui....
[10:23] <brobostigon> agreed.
[10:24] <knightwise> mornign !
[10:24] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[10:25] <daftykins> \o
[10:26] <brobostigon> o/
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> so many people... slack must be down.... :-P
[10:26] <daftykins> haha
[10:27] <daftykins> still never touched that
[10:27] <zmoylan-pi> requires too much ram for me to go near it :-)
[10:27] <zmoylan-pi> this 2gb netbook barely handles 4 tabs in firefox well enough :-D
[10:27] <daftykins> standard values from the early 2000s? ;D
[10:27] <daftykins> time to dump it!
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> nonsense, it's got another 3-4 years left in it
[10:28] <daftykins> one tab with youtube no doubt brings it to its' knees, that's way past it
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> i still have the 1gb netbook it replaced. trying to find a use for it. super light linux distro and run dos apps on seems most likely :-)
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> now i just need to get a copy of wordstar....
[10:31] <zmoylan-pi> i've looked at getting a cheap laptop with 4 or even 8gb but it's hard to justify dumping fully working hardware
[10:34] <daftykins> hmm it's quite easy when it's a waste of power (:
[10:34] <daftykins> a friend who i've been helping with the small business of is umming and arring over what form of system to get for working for said business with, trouble is he's trying to have his cake and eat it
[10:35] <daftykins> "maybe i can convince them i need a desktop AND a laptop" he says :D
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> when a rasp pi can be both.... :-P
[10:35] <daftykins> nope
[10:36] <daftykins> been keeping up with all the design fails on the 4th?
[10:37] <zmoylan-pi> usb-c a little wonky, so warm it needs a fan... massive fails...
[10:37] <daftykins> they very much are
[10:37] <daftykins> he's essentially a data scientist with medical data as the target, so full disk encryption is the bare minimum initial requirement i'm mandating... his workloads typically involve R Studio crunching away at multiple several-gigabyte databases which it seems to like to hold in RAM
[10:38] <daftykins> so 32GB is the minimum i've been aiming for with new systems
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> and version 4 of many things are iffy... dbase iv killed the product line is the classic example
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> well for that 32gb sounds sane
[10:38] <daftykins> cursed :D
[10:40] <zmoylan-pi> thankfully ssds are coming down in price as capacity goes up other wise those datasets would require spinning rust
[10:41] <knightwise> morning everyone
[10:42] <daftykins> unfortunately, whilst the sane approach would've been to have a chunky server somewhere running the software and his minions could have connected in remotely to run tasks, the more rapid way to get things going has been to buy a couple of them workstation class laptops
[10:42] <knightwise> I just reinstalled my 2009 iMac with the successor to crunchbang
[10:42] <daftykins> managed to grab a pair of Dell Precisions with true hex core 8th gen i7 CPUs, 32GB RAM and 1TB SSDs for about a grand a piece
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> crunchbang is a name i have not heard of in a long time
[10:43] <daftykins> same here
[10:43] <knightwise> Its called Helium now
[10:43] <knightwise> But it FLIES on this machine (i have inserted an SSD)
[10:43] <daftykins> iMacs :(
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> but an imac from when they were upgradeable... a little
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> not the glued wafers apple seems intent on selling now
[10:44] <daftykins> mmm worse and worse all the time
[10:45] <knightwise> I do have one.
[10:45] <knightwise> i swapped out the HD with an SSD and pumped in some more ram
[10:45] <zmoylan-pi> but gillette better watch their back before apple crowds them out of their own market on razor blades...
[10:45] <knightwise> this machine is 10 years old and still great to play around with
[10:45] <zmoylan-pi> old hardware can be great. if it's survived that long it's got +3 on build quality :-)
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> or luck
[10:46] <daftykins> i think it's an early or late 2007 heap i got given for free upstairs, core 2 duo with an AMD Radeon HD in it
[10:46] <daftykins> a client brought it to me with 1GB RAM and the original HDD in, running 10.6 snow leopard - and asked if it could be brought up to date
[10:46] <daftykins> i said, "in a word, no"
[10:47] <daftykins> most current MacOS is 10.11 El Capitan, which is EOL of course
[10:48] <zmoylan-pi> slap linux on it... :-P
[10:48] <knightwise> Did that for one of my friends too. Still getting a lot of life out of her machine
[10:48] <daftykins> i have... and despite totally sorting all the cooling, it was hitting its' thermal limits the other day
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> ah, not good
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> lets just make the whole computer go slower because of heat...
[10:49] <knightwise>  ah but yes , linux does not properly support the cooling fans
[10:49] <daftykins> Apple are of course notorious for not putting in decent cooling
[10:49] <knightwise> on mac mini's that is
[10:49] <daftykins> no the fans work perfectly fine, it ramps up as it got hot
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> they optimise their hardware to their os so close
[10:49] <knightwise> any suggestions for a good lightweight streaming app ?
[10:50] <knightwise> preferably cli ?
[10:50] <daftykins> to receive? streamlink i use with twitch
[10:50] <daftykins> totally bypasses the memory hungry browser experience and allows piping to a player with hardware decode support
[10:51] <daftykins> assuming you mean to view streams
[10:51] <knightwise> listen to audiostreams
[10:51] <daftykins> example source?
[10:53] <knightwise> somaFm
[10:53] <daftykins> meh should be tonnes of stuff that can play shoutcast URLs
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> audio players are the text editors of the media world :-)
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> ...but without the lynch mobs obviously...
[11:47] <knightwise> i think vlc can do the url via the commandline too
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> isn't there a whole cli option for vlc? it has every other option... :-)
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> https://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Command_line/#Use_the_command_line
[11:53] <daftykins> cvlc isn't it
[11:54] <brobostigon> which i use with streamlink fairly often, :)
[11:58] <daftykins> ooh just dropped Zen a line about their G.fast products, sounds good for my friend in Exeter
[12:19] <zmoylan-pi> zen... i wonder how relaxing their hold music is.... :-P
[12:21] <daftykins> client wanted call diversion on his London flat line, they want £2.40/mo extra just to enable it
[12:21] <daftykins> BT'd be double that, it seems
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> in breaking news... people still have landlines at home.... more news as we get it... :-P
[12:39] <daftykins> it's mandatory for VDSL2 based technologies
[12:40] <daftykins> and G.fast still comes with a line too, so you could be having 330 Mb down and still have it
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> oh no, i get it for data, but an actual phone plugged in for calls...
[12:42] <zmoylan-pi> i'd be tempted to have a rasp pi answer all the calls and play some sound byte from that day in history for the time traveller making the call
[12:43] <daftykins> :D you can indeed get FreePBX for Pi i believe
[12:44] <daftykins> what gets me is that every time i tell him that he's racking up huge bills for calling Guernsey mobiles and landlines from his London landline, he keeps forgetting and does it anyway
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> todays would have to be something about today is the 108th anniversary of ibm getting their first patent...
[12:46] <brobostigon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:On_this_day/Today it might be quicker just to get it to pull the information that page.
[12:49] <zmoylan-pi> odd, shouldn't the day show today and not jul 20?
[12:49] <brobostigon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_25
[12:53] <zmoylan-pi> i got that manually but the generic today is showing wrong date for some reason
[12:53] <brobostigon> i agree, it asnt showing properly.
[12:53] <brobostigon> asnt*
[12:53] <brobostigon> wasnt*
[13:33] <knightwise> I have the chance to pickup a second hand Thinkpad. Wondering if I should go for the L540 or the T430
[13:33] <daftykins> minimum 4th gen haswell imo
[13:33] <daftykins> like the T440s i'm typing from (:
[13:33] <zmoylan-pi> hold out for one with the butterfly keyboard :-P
[13:34] <knightwise> They keyboards are the bomb indeed
[13:34] <knightwise> I think the T430 doenst have the hasswel .. right
[13:34] <daftykins> nah that'd be the generation prior, ivybridge
[13:34] <knightwise> big speed difference you think ?
[13:35] <daftykins> not really that, mostly an efficiency one
[13:35] <zmoylan-pi> no no, THE butterfly keyboard :-) http://giant.gfycat.com/OddballIdolizedIbex.gif
[13:35] <daftykins> though back then they did tend to say 12-14% year on year gains
[13:36] <daftykins> oh... i was just thinking butterfly as in the most recent apple design that has the failing keys xD
[13:36] <daftykins> which had me puzzled since the topic was ThinkPads :D
[13:36] <zmoylan-pi> such a pity that ibm never made it reliable enough to keep making
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> basically a full sized laptop keyboard in a netbook
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> ah, a better gif... https://giphy.com/gifs/action-butterfly-keyboard-l3iJQ372QPalq
[13:42] <zmoylan-pi> look how thick that screen is, whole laptop would fit in that depth now :-)
[13:55] <knightwise> god I hate the butterflies on the mac
[13:55] <knightwise> reason i bought a thinkpad X1
[13:56] <zmoylan-pi> you spend so much of your time typing, why wouldn't it be in top 3 reasons to pick a laptop?
[13:58] <knightwise> It was .
[14:00] <zmoylan-pi> ditto screens, i hate the glossy screens that are so prevelent these days...
[14:01] <knightwise> God yes
[14:02] <knightwise>  First think I bought for the mac and the X1 : Matte screen displays
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> you could sit outdoors and read your screen
[14:03] <knightwise> I love to be out and about
[14:03] <knightwise> Do my best writing when i'm in a cafe somewhere
[14:04] <zmoylan-pi> in hot weather like this outside offers a chance of a breath of air
[14:05] <knightwise> not for me . i'm  sticking to the indoors today
[14:05]  * daftykins hides in between the thick stone walls
[14:06] <knightwise> up since 4.45 this morning
[14:06]  * zmoylan-pi is waiting till after 1700 before heading out.
[14:06] <knightwise> yeah , and not even then
[14:06] <knightwise> hmm.. wifi keeps cutting out after X period of time onthe imac
[14:06] <knightwise> gotte figure out why that is
[14:07] <daftykins> because they're junk :)
[14:07] <daftykins> is it 19.04 you popped on?
[14:07] <daftykins> then again you said some other distro that might not have a 'buntu base, nevermind
[14:11] <knightwise> its a debian based one
[14:11] <knightwise> popping in an external wifi card. see what this does
[14:11] <knightwise> ha :) Mpv + url of Stream = lightest music player ever
[19:12] <nucc1> does anyone know how to lower the wait time for disks on startup? I've got a usb disk connected and in /etc/fstab that may not always be available, and i'd like to lower the wait time from 90 seconds to something like 20 seconds
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> steam is live https://www.spacex.com/webcast


[07:02] <qwebirc84719> Hello, new to MythTV.. just did a basic install of mythbuntu, can't seem to find any how-to's on getting a remote frontend to work.. getting access denied for user<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- not sure what to look for. Updated backend setup to use that IP. Ran frontend and found default sql password.. very newb here. :)
[07:07] <qwebirc84719> !help
[07:07] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[23:56] <Happyworker> before I buy a tv tuner card, just had some questions about mythtv and telus iptv
[23:57] <Happyworker> can I record two channels at once with telus optik and mythtv?
[23:57] <Happyworker> !help
[23:57] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].


[07:18] <grupoglobal> hola
[07:32] <dev_> Hi
[07:32] <dev_> i am not able to see ubantu files sharing option in ubantu mate can you please help me out?
[12:03] <TaZeR> what option do you mean? right click on the folder you want to share and go to the share tab
[12:03] <TaZeR> there used to be another file sharing tool in older releases of ubuntu but it was removed
[19:46] <Headzup> Hello Guys, I have every 2 hours an internet disconnect in ubuntu-mate. So that I have to restart my internet connecten manually
[19:49] <Headzup> btw. this happends only on my linux machine
[20:16] <vickerswt> hey
[20:16] <vickerswt> anyone have experience with ip addresses
[20:22] <vickerswt> my ifconfig only shows ipv6 addresses and they are in the form of mac addresses. My ipv4 addresses all go to my internet providers home page. Any help to get my public ipv4 to use PhP
[20:24] <Headzup> do you have a dual stack lite router/provider?
[20:24] <Headzup> google dslite first if you dont know what this is
[20:25] <Headzup> and if you have it google for portmapping which you need if you only can use ipv6
[20:27] <Headzup> do you mean, that you have a webserver at home and want to give a person outside your lan access to the webserver for example?
[20:27] <Headzup> *of your lan
[20:46] <mitchell> 'Ello
[20:51] <mitchell> Anyone here?
[21:01] <Headzup> vickerswt, do you found something?
[21:14] <sixwheeledbeast^> When you say restart internet, restart what exactly?
[21:17] <sixwheeledbeast^> v6 addresses are 8 groups of 4 in hex. If starting fe80: it's just link local so not a v6 connection to the internet.
[21:26] <Headzup> restart the internet means normally, to restart the router
[21:26] <Headzup> @sixwheeledbeast^
[21:27] <Headzup> at my provider if I disconnect my router for 10mins from power, the provider does a complete reset, which takes around 30minutes.
[21:27] <Headzup> for example
[21:29] <Headzup> I do the complete reset only if I want a new ip-adress in the internet, because I dont have 24 disconnect in the internet like most of the people in germany (dual stack lite connection ipv6 only)
[21:33] <sixwheeledbeast^> Can you prove if it's the router or the linux box? Does the internet disconnect or the connection to the network?
[21:34] <sixwheeledbeast^> If you just loose internet is it a DNS issue for example?
[21:35] <Headzup> ahh now I get you, you answered on my problem
[21:36] <Headzup> only my linux machine lose the internet connection sometimes, but seems to be a dns problem I guess
[21:36] <Headzup> for example, 10minutes ago only my hexchat gone down and steam friends, but Internet worked well
[21:37] <Headzup> then I restart my ethernet adapter and all works fine. I dont have to restart my router in this case
[21:38] <sixwheeledbeast^> do you have manual dns set for v6
[21:38] <Headzup> hmm but this makes no sense, if the dns server have problems, then why is my browser is working hmm
[21:39] <Headzup> in the router?
[21:39] <sixwheeledbeast^> you dual stack ok on v4 and v6
[21:39] <sixwheeledbeast^> ?
[21:39] <sixwheeledbeast^> both
[21:39] <Headzup> my windows machine running fine
[21:41] <sixwheeledbeast^> I had to tweak settings on both my router and inet when I dual stacked as I intermittently had DNS issues. I can no long access v6 now unfortunately.
[21:41] <sixwheeledbeast^> s/inet/connection settings/
[21:42] <Headzup> in the router i cant change settings for my dual stack and the ip4 dns thing is handled by the provider anyway
[21:43] <Headzup> and I cant find settings in my router for the ethernet ip4 settings
[21:44] <sixwheeledbeast^> You can check your connections to both here http://ipv6-test.com/
[21:45] <Headzup> dns works fine
[21:45] <Headzup> both
[21:46] <Headzup> ICMP Filtered, and Hostname none
[21:46] <sixwheeledbeast^> Fallback = yes?
[21:46] <Headzup> yeah
[21:47] <Headzup> if I have the next problem, i start this check during that time. nice to know that I can check it over that site, thx :D
[21:47] <Headzup> 3 years ago I hated the ipv6 only thing, but now i like it
[21:49] <sixwheeledbeast^> :nod: so you access v4 via your v6 connection?
[21:49] <Headzup> sure
[21:49] <Headzup> this is how it works i guess
[21:49] <Headzup> I go only with ipv6 in the internet, my provider handle the dns ip4 connection
[21:53] <Headzup> pretty cool in my opinion
[21:54] <Headzup> all pcs in my ethernet, have the same ipv4 ip adress
[21:54] <Headzup> to the internet
[21:55] <sixwheeledbeast^> so you have no v4 ip listed on ipv6-test?
[21:55] <Headzup> i do
[21:55] <rteyetrwrwgf> I meant the snap installation of packages not through Ubuntu Software Center. Through Ubuntu Software Center vlc not of the last available version was installed.
[21:55] <rteyetrwrwgf> https://s14.postimg.org/4y6dptaa9/3_WE4_R6_TGUY7_YHY.png
[21:55] <Headzup> but allwys the same
[21:56] <sixwheeledbeast^> SO is this not a standard dual stack connection with a dynamic v4 and a stateful v6 connection?
[21:57] <Headzup> i have at home around 6pcs, 6 mobile phones and 3 tablets in my ethernet {yeah we are many people} and all have the same ipv4 adress in the www
[21:57] <Headzup> i think I have a normal dslite connection :D
[21:58] <Headzup> I explain why: answer is long so wait :D
[21:59] <sixwheeledbeast^> That will be the same for most standard dynamic addresses the routing is done with NAT in the router.
[22:01] <Headzup> in the ethernet I have the normal ipv4 network for all the ipv4 stuff AND ipv6 in the ethernet for the communication which the router use for the communication with the internet over ivp6 only
[22:03] <Headzup> my pc with linux and ipv6 -> router with ONLY ipv6 WAN to my provider -> provider server handles at the provider location the ipv4 support for my internet
[22:04] <Headzup> ALL computers etc. from our ethernet are collected in that ipv4 protocol with one ipv4 IP
[22:05] <Headzup> that is why all pcs etc. have the same ipv4 adress in the internet from my ethernet
[22:06] <sixwheeledbeast^> I would expect if you had a NAT64 or 6to4 connection then you would show no ipv4 on your WAN. Even on a standard v4 only connection you would have the same v4 WAN IP on all PC's
[22:07] <Headzup> you dont asked for my wan :)
[22:07] <Headzup> and yes I dont have a ipv4 in my WAN because its handled as I said on the providers server; I never get ipv4 incomming connections
[22:08] <Headzup> from the internet
[22:09] <Headzup> I only get a ipv4 adress on ipv6-test.com, because I connect from my PC ipv6 -> Router ipv6 -> provider ipv4 or direct ipv6
[22:11] <rteyetrwrwgf> if instillation snap packages be installed not as exe in Windows, without check signatures on Ubuntu server. With check signatures for snap packages on Ubuntu server for installation, this me not very interesting
[22:12] <sixwheeledbeast^> Ah just had a look at ds-lite (never seen it before) and I understand now. Your v4 address is basically to your ISP so not in your control this is transferred to you via CGN.
[22:12] <Headzup> yes :D pretty cool huh :D
[22:12] <sixwheeledbeast^> eh weird
[22:12] <Headzup> yeah ofc
[22:13] <Headzup> but I think in 5 or 10 years its normal ^^
[22:13] <sixwheeledbeast^> but at least you get both v4 and v6 inet. There are better implementations
[22:13] <Headzup> yeah
[22:14] <sixwheeledbeast^> I have no idea about your issue then other than testing when you have an issue.
[22:14] <Headzup> but you cant access my ethernet from the internet if your device dont have ipv6 support
[22:14] <sixwheeledbeast^> :nod:
[22:15] <Headzup> yeah my problem is weird, but someday I will found it. :D
[22:16] <Headzup> find
[22:18] <Headzup> the cool thing is, if you want access my raspery pi from the internet at work, you can access via. the ipv4 adress, but you have to set a macadress/ipadress rule in the router to which ipv6 adress in the internet you want "talk to"
[22:19] <rteyetrwrwgf> In my country use GGNAT and my not need ipv6, but ipv6 test my internet provider. 00000001% web sate use ipv6.
[22:19] <Headzup> but you have that ipv4 in the internet sometimes more then one month, that I dont like :/ I fear hackers ^^ But at least they cant do something, they have to hack first my provider muhahahaha
[22:20] <Headzup> I mean you have your ipv4 IP-Adress more then one month sometimes
[22:22] <Headzup> or can they get my ipv6 adress through my ipv4 ip? hmm
[22:23] <rteyetrwrwgf> CGNAT
[22:24] <Headzup> ok I have to sleep, was nice to talking with you. gn8t
[22:45] <sixwheeledbeast^> I find most sites are dual stacking now, with no v4 address space left they have little option
[22:49] <sixwheeledbeast^> I would prefer to have my own v4 ip over that ds-lite thing. At least you have control of routing and firewalls at your router.