[00:42] <stgraber> micahg, Laney: uploaded a lxd backport for trusty and a cgmanager and lxc backport for precise. The former is just to keep up to date with xenial. The latter is because of how outdated and unsupported the current backport is, getting in sync with trusty in precise should make everyone's life much easier (at the cost of having to get cgmanager backported too).
[00:42] <stgraber> no rush on any of those
[01:05] <micahg> stgraber: thanks for trying to keep things updated
[10:47] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi please accept libwebsockets from the queue, the reverse dependency (mosquitto) has been uploaded in debian a few minutes ago
[11:57] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg1: no need to ask for ones with the same version in Debian, we do those in bulk
[13:15] <LocutusOfBorg1> cjwatson, actually I was trying to avoid a mosquitto sync with the old libwebsockets, and then the need for a rebuild
[13:15] <LocutusOfBorg1> was that case possible?
[13:28] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg1: oh right, that would certainly have been possible, fair enough then
[13:31] <LocutusOfBorg1> so when a package is built but not accepted is not used by reverse dependencies
[13:41] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg1: indeed
[13:42] <LocutusOfBorg1> I hope to become a MOTU soon, to be able to binNMU them by myself :)
[14:08] <mapreri> LocutusOfBorg1: you don't binNMU stuff in ubuntu :P
[14:08] <mapreri> though I've to understand how transitions are done so quickly without binNMUs....
[14:09] <mapreri> takes time to download, dch, debuild -S, debsign, dput every package, umh
[14:09] <cjwatson> scripts to do no-change rebuilds
[14:09] <cjwatson> it does indeed take some time but not as much as you might think
[14:10] <cjwatson> I have horrible hacky messes like http://paste.ubuntu.com/14137855/
[14:10] <cjwatson> I think others have something a bit more elegant but this is good enough for my purposes :)
[14:12] <mapreri> eheh.  OOI, why do you spawn subshells inside functions?
[14:12] <cjwatson> mapreri: so that I don't get left wherever they've cded to
[14:13] <mapreri> oh, make sense
[14:13] <cjwatson> I could cd back at the end, but then error handling and life's too short, a subshell is simpler
[14:13] <cjwatson> in case it's not obvious, no support implied, if you've found some bug in this stuff I probably already know and don't care. :-)
[14:14] <mapreri> :P
[14:15] <mapreri> let's say, if I'll ever need something similar I think I'll write my own crap :)
[14:15] <mapreri> o.O( at least I've full copyright on it, it must mean something! )
[14:16] <mapreri> (=> it doesn't )
[14:16] <cjwatson> heh
[14:16] <cjwatson> it's not particularly hard
[14:26] <LocutusOfBorg1> actually no-change rebuild is the same as a binNMU :)
[14:30] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg1: actually it's not quite
[14:30] <cjwatson> but close enough for at least some purposes
[14:30] <cjwatson> (binNMUs keep the source version unchanged)
[14:32] <LocutusOfBorg1> true, but at the end the result seems the same
[15:04] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg1: sometimes, if you don't care about source version != binary version which does in fact sometimes matter :)
[15:22] <LocutusOfBorg1> true :)
[15:29]  * mapreri doesn't care, since already binary versions could be different than source version anyway...
[15:31] <mapreri> another difficult bit of binNMU is that you can have multiple binaries with the same name out of the same (source, version) tuple, I think.  somebody might rely on that?


[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted eclipse-platform-text [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [4.7.3-2]
[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kicad [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [5.0.0+dfsg1-2]


[01:30] <frank23> are there any problems with the updated mythtv in feisty? Can I upgrade without worries?
[01:41] <keescook> frank23: it seems okay so far, I know superm1_ is looking to snag a few other SD fixes that just popped up on #mythtv
[01:43] <frank23> keescook: anything serious?
[01:44] <keescook> frank23: don't know, we'll have to ask superm1_.  I upgraded without a hitch so far...
[01:45] <frank23> keescook: ok
[01:59] <frank23> there are new dependencies? like gksu notification-daemon python-vte update-manager update-notifier. I 'm running kubuntu
[02:00] <frank23> mythtv-database now depends on update-notifier which I think depend on the others
[02:01] <frank23> But I already have adept-notifier
[02:03] <frank23> So mythtv-database must depends on libgtk
[02:03] <frank23> right now anyways
[02:04] <frank23> Maybe it's supposed to
[02:06] <frank23> at any rate maybe it should be mythtv-database depends on update-notifier or adept-updater
[02:08] <frank23> or neither
[02:15] <tgm4883_laptop> didn't there use to be a guide for setting up vnc from the command line?
[02:15] <cornell> Evening all.  Getting ready to upgrade, via apt-get, started with apt-get update, got some 404's.  See http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35484/  Do I need to be worried about this?
[02:16] <frank23> tgm4883_laptop: you mean this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/WhatNext/VNC
[02:17] <frank23> tgm4883_laptop: I never tried it though
[02:17] <tgm4883_laptop> yep, thought about the whats next section right after i said that
[02:17] <tgm4883_laptop> i used it to setup my standalone,
[02:17] <tgm4883_laptop> now i need it on my fileserver
[02:21] <frank23> cornell: you have some non-existant repositories in your list    /etc/sources.list
[02:23] <cornell> I don't need them, I can get rid of them?  It's not that I have to change them to something else?
[02:25] <family> I'm getting the following error when installing mythtv-backend:
[02:25] <family> svn20070122-0.0ubuntu6_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[02:25] <family> and when I try to start the initscript, it gives me "mythtv user not found"
[02:25] <family> which seems to be caused by the first error
[02:26] <frank23> cornell: I don't why it's there in the first place but you can remove them if you want to
[02:27] <frank23> cornell: I never tried mythbuntu though so there might be something I don't know ;)
[02:30] <cornell> Thanks frank23, (and there's no  /etc/sources.list ;-) )
[02:32] <frank23> oops ;)
[02:33] <cornell> ;-)
[02:41] <Adlai> hi, I just came back upstairs
[02:41] <Adlai> I had a problem a bit ago installing mythtv-backend
[02:41] <Adlai> it had some kind of post-installation error
[02:41] <Adlai> presumably, one of the symptoms was that it didn't create the mythtv user
[02:42] <Adlai> anyone know anything about that?  I asked in this channel a few minutes ago as "family"
[02:45] <foxbuntu> superm1_, did you notice the numbers on the website?
[02:45] <foxbuntu> 70 users online right now
[02:45] <cornell> Thanks anyway frank23
[03:03] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1_ i hope you saw that ping
[03:26] <keescook> frank23: can you file bugs about the dependencies?
[03:28] <frank23> keescook: ok
[03:31] <frank23> keescook: in mythbuntu or just in ubuntu?
[03:40] <imbrandon> keescook: ltns ;)
[03:40] <imbrandon> keescook: ever use tvtime ?
[03:48] <frank23> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/135431
[03:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135431 in mythtv "mythtv-database depends on update-notifier only" [Undecided,New]
[03:50] <jams> so is mythbunta 7.10 supposed to install the nvidia drivers?  I selected the nvidia, binary driver but X will not start because it can't find  it
[06:43] <keescook> imbrandon: heya dude.  :)  I haven't used tvtime, no.
[07:06] <superm1_> tgm4883, i installed the views module for ya
[07:07] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet, thanks
[07:07] <superm1_> foxbuntu, you here?
[01:42] <cornell_work> Checking out the website at http://www.mythbuntu.org, I notice that there's a number of guests, and few users online (notably tgm4883 and superm1) and no apparent registration mechanism.  Is being a "user" limited to active developers or something like that?  For that matter, would being a "user" be of any use to us common folk?
[01:43] <cornell_work> I also hit the web-based chat link, and got:
[01:43] <cornell_work> Connecting...
[01:43] <cornell_work> Unable to connect : java.net.UnknownHostException : irc.freenode.net
[01:43] <laga> cornell_work: AFAIK: being a registered user is limited to active developers
[01:43] <laga> and me
[01:43] <laga> ;)
[01:44] <laga> there are no benefits to regular users AFAIK
[01:45] <laga> i don't even have java support in my browser
[01:45] <laga> maybe we could have a cgi::irc instead.
[01:54] <cornell_work> For what it's worth, I use cgi::irc from my server, easy to install, easy to use, reliable (mostly), doesn't depend upon java.
[01:55] <laga> is it reliable froma  security POV?
[01:55] <cornell_work> You can easily limit it to only certain servers (irc.freenode.net) and certain channels (#mythbuntu, #ubuntu, whatever)
[01:56] <cornell_work> mmm... as in is it an easy entrance for hackers?
[01:56] <laga> cool stuff
[01:56] <laga> yes
[01:56] <laga> i was wondering about that ;)
[01:56] <cornell_work> um... don't know, let me consult my experts
[01:56] <laga> heh
[01:59] <cornell_work> While waiting for a response...  have you ever used it?
[01:59] <laga> yes, as a user
[02:00] <Daviey> heh http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/08/28/161258.shtml
[02:17] <DaveMorris> java client crashed my browser
[02:18] <DaveMorris> Hardy Heron is gonna be LTS then, they'll be the 1st mythbuntu lts as well :)
[02:19] <laga> cool stuff
[02:19] <Daviey> Hardy Heron?! what a horrid name
[02:19] <DaveMorris> I blame jono ;)
[02:19] <Daviey> I blame jono for most things in life
[02:21] <DaveMorris> so are we gonna have flock 1,2,3,4 then?
[02:41] <jono> haha
[02:49] <Daviey> bah.. jono's evil laugh
[02:49] <jono> :)
[02:49] <Daviey> jono: in 4 channels,seperate people have whinged about the new name
[02:49] <Daviey> It has much in common with donkeys
[02:50] <Daviey> What happend to Hungry Hippos
[02:50] <Daviey> or Horny Heron?
[02:50] <jono> Daviey: really? do I care? no. :P
[02:50] <laga> heron? isn't that some kind of duck?
[02:50] <jono> Daviey: people always whinge about the name :)
[02:51] <Daviey> :O .. i dunno.. It's nice to hae a community manager that listens to his community ;)#
[02:52] <DaveMorris> Daviey: they could always call it Ubuntu 8.04
[02:52] <Daviey> they do
[02:52] <Daviey> *plonker*
[02:52] <Daviey> Year.Month
[02:53] <DaveMorris> then dapper was released out of sync?
[02:53] <laga> yes
[02:53] <DaveMorris> thats what confused me
[02:54] <Daviey> 6.06 june 06
[02:54] <Daviey> :s
[02:54] <Daviey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[02:55] <cornell_work> oops... laga, tried to PM, guess my nick registration doesn't include this one ;-(  Re: cgi:irc...  http://cornell.pastebin.com/d773da72c
[02:55] <laga> cornell_work: hey, thanks a lot! :)
[02:56] <laga> who's our webmaster, btw?
[02:56] <Daviey><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:56] <Daviey> Don't think any of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>works atm
[02:57] <laga> who's the person hiding behind it? foxbuntu, superm1, tgm4883.. one of them it is IIRC
[02:57] <Daviey> dunno
[02:57] <DaveMorris> tbh it should prob go to most of us, since we can edit the site etc
[02:58] <Daviey> well.. that was the plan
[02:59] <laga> true enough
[02:59] <DaveMorris> we gonna setup the mythbuntu email addresses again?
[03:00] <cornell_work> um... so an email to mirrors@mythbuntu wouldn't make it
[03:03] <Daviey> cornell_work: think not
[03:03] <Daviey> we need to speak with bendailey about getting the dns sorted
[03:04] <Daviey> It might be working
[03:04] <Daviey> or not
[03:04] <laga> isn't mythbuntu.org supposed to move again?
[03:04] <DaveMorris> but is there an email server listening to it?
[03:04] <Daviey> dave@dave-laptop:~$ host smtp.mythbuntu.org
[03:04] <Daviey> smtp.mythbuntu.org is an alias for mythbuntu.org.
[03:04] <Daviey> mythbuntu.org has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:04] <Daviey> mythbuntu.org mail is handled by 0 smtp.mythbuntu.org
[03:05] <Daviey> dave@dave-laptop:~$ telnet smtp.mythbuntu.org:25
[03:05] <Daviey> telnet: could not resolve smtp.mythbuntu.org:25/telnet: Name or service not known
[03:06] <cornell_work> Just as well... my hoster says, that though he'd like to help, mirroring distros would provide us with a bandwidth "meltdown'
[03:07] <cornell_work> Personally, I've only 10 GB/month
[03:07] <Daviey> cornell_work: well it might still be helpful
[03:07] <Daviey> Could cap the bandwidth?
[03:07] <laga> i've got like 1 or 2 TB per month, but i won't distribute liblame. ;)
[03:08] <cornell_work> Um... but if I cap the bandwidth, and hit the cap, doesn't that shutdown the rest of my site as well?
[03:11] <cornell_work> Tried to sign up for ubuntu/mythbuntu wiki... got sent to launchpad... it said it would send the info to my email address, if it doesn't show, subscribe to launchpad mailing list and mention it.
[03:11] <cornell_work> mmm signing up to say my signup didn't work?
[03:15] <Daviey> laga: you know liblame aint an mp3 encoder? ;)
[03:16] <Daviey> cornell_work: sign up with launchpad; then sign up with the wiki
[03:16] <laga> Daviey: SRSLY! :)
[03:17] <DaveMorris> I'd imagine the actual site hardly uses any bandwidth, its the packages and iso's which is the main crunch
[03:17] <DaveMorris> which can all be hosted off the main site
[03:18] <Daviey> well maily ISO's.. @ >400Mb each
[03:18] <DaveMorris> once we have out xen server running at the uni I'll approach the IT guys to see if I can mirror here
[03:18] <Daviey> The full repo is only <100Mb
[03:18] <Daviey> inc amd64,i386 & src
[03:19] <Daviey> DaveMorris: cool .. currently I have setup a UK mirror, I could set it up to RoundRobin between us
[03:23] <DaveMorris> the 1st major problem is getting ubuntu installed onto an Intel Xserve
[03:23] <DaveMorris> http://blogs.linux.ie/balor/2007/08/22/installing-linux-on-an-apple-xserve/
[03:27] <cornell_work> Right, Daviey, but signing up with launchpad includes they're sending stuff to my email, which hasn't been received in more than an hour.  They say if you don't get the email, then sign up (subscribe) to the launchpad mailing list and mention it there.
[03:28] <Daviey> hmm
[03:29] <Daviey> cornell_work: or maybe ask in #launchpad
[03:29] <cornell_work> Ah... thank you
[03:32] <Daviey> superm1_: ping
[03:33] <superm1_> Daviey, i just got here, but i need to run.  i'll be back in ~30-90 min
[03:33] <Daviey> I'll be watching the clock
[03:33] <Daviey> :)
[03:34] <Daviey> before you go... how does this sound as an application for signing.. "dpkg-sig"
[03:34] <Daviey> $ wnatis  - Create and verify signatures on .deb-files
[03:35] <superm1_> na you just sign Release files, not debs
[03:35] <superm1_> no need to sign debs
[03:35] <Daviey> grrr
[03:36] <superm1_> did u see what i posted in here last evening
[03:36] <superm1_> explaining how to sign Release files
[03:36] <superm1_> and which ones to sign?
[03:36] <Daviey> no
[03:38] <Daviey>  superm1_> Daviey, sudo gpg --output $BUILD/dists/breezy/Release.gpg -ba
[03:38] <Daviey>           $BUILD/dists/breezy/Release
[03:39] <superm1_> ya
[03:39] <superm1_> but use feisty and gutsy instead
[03:39] <Daviey>  /lastlog ftw
[03:39] <Daviey> obv.
[03:39] <Daviey> let me try that.. so not all "Release" files needs signing?
[03:40] <superm1_> Nope
[03:40] <superm1_> just the ones in the dists folders
[03:40] <Daviey> sure?
[03:42] <Daviey> hmm
[03:42] <Daviey> Doesn't quite work
[03:43] <Daviey> (malformed Release file"
[03:43] <Daviey> want so see a pastebin of "Release"?
[03:44] <superm1_> ugh i'm gonna be late, i need to put this off for a bit okay?
[03:44] <Daviey> nope
[03:44] <Daviey> You are in no hurry
[03:44] <Daviey> relax.. better late than never
[04:30] <Kenzu> hey
[04:31] <Kenzu> Just testing the new iso... but.. it can't find vnc on install
[04:31] <laga> what new iso?
[04:31] <laga> alpha 3?
[04:31] <Kenzu> and when I upgrade after install I have to reconfigure all mythtv packages again
[04:32] <Kenzu> 7.10 08/01/2007
[04:33] <Kenzu> sorry for the upgrade thing..
[04:33] <laga> yeah, that'd be alpha 3
[04:33] <Kenzu> can see the upgrade thing on the homepage
[04:34] <laga> what do you mean: "and when I upgrade after install I have to reconfigure all mythtv packages again"?
[04:34] <Kenzu> it downloads all the new 0.20-2 packages and then it configure them agian... the same as in the install
[04:35] <laga> are you asked any questions during the process?
[04:36] <Kenzu> yes all the same as in the install... password, lirc and so on
[04:36] <Kenzu> mythweb access
[04:37] <laga> weird stuff
[04:37] <laga> that shouldn't happen.
[04:37] <laga> did you do anything special?
[04:39] <Kenzu> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitute upgrade
[04:40] <laga> hum
[04:40] <Kenzu> If I have a PVR500 what to chose when installing? on or to pvrxxx series tuner
[04:40] <laga> Kenzu: please file a bug then
[04:40] <jams> hey laga
[04:40] <laga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[04:40] <laga> hey jams
[04:41] <Kenzu> laga, have just started allover.... if it's happes agian I will file a bug
[04:41] <jams> so thats where you keep the bugs
[04:42] <jams> alpha 3 failed to install the nivida drivers for me
[04:43] <temba> hi guys
[04:44] <temba> tgm4883 this edit in xorg.conf doesnt fixed the flickering on tv
[04:44] <temba> any idea ?
[04:45] <laga> what flickering?=
[04:45] <temba> i get no clear screen
[04:45] <temba> seems the lines dances weird around
[04:45] <laga> more specific?
[04:46] <temba> screen is on boot okay, i can read bios messages , but from the beginning of mythtv screen the screen is distorted
[04:46] <Kenzu> how do I get Alpha 4?
[04:47] <laga> it's not available yet
[04:47] <laga> temba: *how* is it distorted?
[04:47] <Kenzu> I wan't the control center
[04:47] <Kenzu> :(
[04:47] <temba> hmm how to discribe in english..........
[04:47] <laga> Kenzu: sudo aptitude install mythbuntu-control-centre
[04:48] <laga> temba: http://dict.leo.org
[04:48] <temba> no clear screen, its like tv that is blurred, distorted
[04:50] <laga> can you take a picture?
[04:53] <temba> i try
[04:54] <laga> hint: screenshots probably won't work ;)
[04:55] <Kenzu> 2 things I miss, better unichrome support in install and xmltv packages installed as standard
[04:56] <laga> Kenzu: file some bug reports. :)
[04:58] <Kenzu> laga, but that are not bugs? that's features
[05:01] <laga> Kenzu: XMLTV not being included is clearly a bug to me.
[05:02] <laga> Kenzu: wrt unichrome/EPIA support: if you have any ideas how this is done best, create a blueprint.
[05:02] <superm1> Daviey, okay i'm back
[05:13] <temba> laga u know a service where i can upload the pictures ?
[05:13] <Daviey> superm1: food.. brb
[05:14] <DaveMorris> I'd prob suggest opening a bug report on launchpad assigned to us with the details and uploading the pics to that
[05:14] <DaveMorris> Kenzu: unichrome is important to me too as I have an epia1500EN board and would like to see it supported out of the box for TV-OUT and we will get around to it
[05:16] <DaveMorris> only problem is the other 1/2 will kill me if I take it out of service for any amount of time and I can't afford a development board atm
[05:17] <temba> laga here a picture of screen after mythtv start http://profile.imageshack.us/user/wolfgangv/
[05:21] <DaveMorris> temba are you using a PAL/NTSC tv and is it correctly set in your xorg file
[05:23] <tembaa> hmm
[05:23] <tembaa> tgm4883 :D
[05:23] <tembaa> http://profile.imageshack.us/user/wolfgangv/
[05:23] <tembaa> here a shot of the screen
[05:25] <tgm4883_laptop> imageshack is taking forever
[05:25] <tgm4883_laptop> is this better or worse than before
[05:26] <Kenzu> DaveMorris, I have to motherboards with unichrome... An Epia M10000 and A MSI with cle266
[05:27] <DaveMorris> Did you need to build the drivers for those from the unichrome site, or did the other fork in ubuntu do the job?
[05:28] <laga> http://www.moanmyip.com/ <- ROTFL
[05:29] <laga> not work safe
[05:29] <DaveMorris> a bit late laga
[05:29] <tembaa> ?
[05:29] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[05:29] <tgm4883_laptop> a little late
[05:29] <tembaa> u looked picture?
[05:29] <laga> :(
[05:29] <tgm4883_laptop> good thing im quick on the close finger
[05:29] <tgm4883_laptop> tembaa, yes
[05:29] <tgm4883_laptop> is it better or worse than before
[05:29] <DaveMorris> yeah, but it's been logged in my work's proxy
[05:29] <superm1> DaveMorris, openchrome is in gutsy fyi
[05:29] <tgm4883_laptop> i can only see a small pic of it
[05:30] <tembaa> same like before
[05:30] <laga> tgm4883_laptop, DaveMorris: sorry. didn't realize there might be working people in here ;)
[05:30] <Kenzu> DaveMorris, just have to setup xorg and install drm packages
[05:30] <laga> tgm4883_laptop, DaveMorris: it's only not safe for work if you have flash enabled and your speakers turned on
[05:30] <DaveMorris> superm1: I'll have to check them out
[05:30] <tgm4883_laptop> it's cool
[05:30] <DaveMorris> no flash here till gutsy
[05:31] <tgm4883_laptop> I work mostly from home
[05:31] <tembaa> how can i get screen "clear"
[05:31] <tgm4883_laptop> but im sitting next to my girlfriend
[05:31] <tgm4883_laptop> so she wasn't to thrilled
[05:31] <DaveMorris> temba can you provide a pastebin of your xorg file please?
[05:32] <tembaa> not really
[05:32] <tembaa> tgm you can paste yours again?
[05:32] <tembaa> only change is reso to 720x576
[05:33] <tgm4883_laptop> what kind of tv
[05:33] <DaveMorris> are you using NTSC/PAL and what is your xorg set to?
[05:33] <DaveMorris> are you using composite/svideo and what is your xorg set to?
[05:33] <Kenzu> what is the password for mythtv user?
[05:33] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: just blame it on random idiots from IRC ;)
[05:33] <laga> ffs, imageshack is slow
[05:33] <tgm4883_laptop> DaveMorris, he is using svideo to scart
[05:33] <tgm4883_laptop> I did the best I could, but i dont know a whole lot about pal
[05:34] <DaveMorris> oh, I use svideo/pal
[05:34] <tgm4883_laptop> :)
[05:34] <DaveMorris> well svideo->scart/pal
[05:34] <tembaa> yo same here
[05:34] <tgm4883_laptop> DaveMorris
[05:34] <tgm4883_laptop> what resolution
[05:34] <tgm4883_laptop> tembaa is in germany
[05:34] <DaveMorris> what sort of svideo-scart cable is it?  As some are one way only (I found out the hard way)
[05:34] <DaveMorris> I'll ssh home and find out
[05:35] <tgm4883_laptop> DaveMorris, he gets bios and such fine, it's just when mythbuntu gui starts
[05:35] <tembaa> i have a scart with switch IN/OUT
[05:37] <tembaa> DaveMorris u changed alot to get it run ?
[05:37] <DaveMorris> ok, I'm using an EPIA1500EN board, and am actually using a compostite->svideo->scart adapter and I have this in the relvelent sections http://pastebin.ca/674829
[05:39] <DaveMorris> however I'm not sure whats needed to work with your card (what ever it is)
[05:39] <tgm4883_laptop> interesting
[05:39] <tgm4883_laptop> DaveMorris, you output at 800x600 over composite?
[05:39] <tgm4883_laptop> or 640x480
[05:39] <DaveMorris> I don't really know
[05:39] <DaveMorris> it works though :)
[05:39] <tgm4883_laptop> I think 640x480 probably
[05:40] <tgm4883_laptop> svideo only does 480i
[05:40] <DaveMorris> more than likely
[05:40] <tgm4883_laptop> or 576i
[05:40] <tgm4883_laptop> temba, i would stick 640x480 in their and test that
[05:41] <DaveMorris> +1
[05:42] <tembaa> +1 ?
[05:42] <DaveMorris> I agree
[05:42] <DaveMorris> -1 = I disagree
[05:42] <tembaa> ahh oke
[05:43] <tembaa> yo i will test the settings of DaveMorris
[05:43] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[05:44] <DaveMorris> whats your gfx card?
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> tembaa, you don't want to use the via driver
[05:48] <tembaa> oh gfx card is ATI RADEON 9250
[05:48] <laga> ati? heh
[05:49] <laga> 17:38 < Falballa`> laga: 'ati' could be (#1) http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&questionID=26907, or (#2) <http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Main_Page>, or (#3) <http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2241#comment:4>, or (#4) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/AtiProprietaryDriver
[05:49] <laga> tembaa: ^^
[05:49] <MythbuntuGuest28> So how you guys like MythBuntu good choice for me?
[05:49] <MythbuntuGuest28> i love ubuntu
[05:49] <MythbuntuGuest28> and i want a mythbox
[05:50] <tembaa> laga , so dont works with ati ?
[05:50] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest28, do you want a desktop on the system also?
[05:51] <DaveMorris> MythbuntuGuest28: thats great how can we help you?
[05:51] <tgm4883_laptop> I think we should shorten it to MythGuest on the site
[05:51] <MythbuntuGuest28> yup
[05:51] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:51] <MythbuntuGuest28> desktop please
[05:51] <tembaa> hmm
[05:51] <laga> tembaa: read the links
[05:51] <tembaa> seems ATI is not supported for mythtv
[05:51] <tembaa> yo
[05:52] <MythbuntuGuest28> ati sucks with linix drivers allaround
[05:52] <laga> tembaa: especially the last one, there might be a fix somewhere
[05:52] <tembaa> i see
[05:52] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest28 mythbuntu sounds like it would work
[05:54] <tembaa> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop tgm4883 ?
[05:54] <tgm4883_laptop> not sure about that
[05:55] <tgm4883_laptop> tembaa, have you fixed the resolution problem
[05:55] <tgm4883_laptop> the desktop can be installed from the control centre
[05:55] <tembaa> not yet i reading the last link laga posted
[05:55] <tgm4883_laptop> im not sure if it installs ubuntu-desktop or other packages
[05:56] <MythbuntuGuest28> "Many of the required drivers needed for a MythTV installation come with Mythbuntu, such as drivers for proprietary graphics cards and tuner cards."
[05:56] <MythbuntuGuest28> Any ati drivers included?
[05:58] <DaveMorris> ubuntu-desktop is a meta package which pulls in loads more
[05:58] <DaveMorris> MythbuntuGuest28: it includes the drivers provided with Ubuntu
[05:58] <tgm4883_laptop> DaveMorris, yes, but is that what the control centre installs?
[05:59] <DaveMorris> afaik the names match up to the packages, otherwise I'll slap whoever wrote it (Daviey)
[05:59] <tembaa> how do install this .patch ?
[06:03] <tembaa> hmm
[06:23] <laga> bah
[06:23] <laga> just tried nvidia-settings to reconfigure my dual head setup. big mistake.
[06:24] <laga> complete failure.
[06:24] <trog_> you make a xorg.conf.bak? : )
[06:25] <laga> i think it does that automagially
[06:25] <laga> let's see if i can make something useful with it
[06:25] <trog_> then all is not lost
[06:26] <laga> sure
[06:26] <laga> nice surprise when your keyboard config is reset and you've got special characters in your password, though
[06:26] <trog_> lol
[06:27] <trog_> charactermap onto gedit then copy/paste
[06:32] <tgm4883> where do we look to see when .20.2 clears proposed?
[06:36] <superm1> tgm4883, it is a minimum of a 7 day process
[06:36] <tgm4883> ah
[06:37] <laga> trog_: gedit? in kdm? ;)
[06:37] <laga> trog_: i just changed my password
[06:37] <laga> anyways. twinview looks like it might just work for me. can i plz specifcy PAL now? kthx
[06:40] <laga> ooh. this worked. nice.
[07:04] <laga> this twinview stuff is kinda cool
[07:10] <tgm4883> superm1, since is doesn't break anything, I think we should install the inline images module in mythbuntu.org
[07:10] <tgm4883> I think it doesn't work for me because something is up with my host
[07:10] <tgm4883> of course, im talking to someone who isn't here :)
[07:26] <Daviey> Where's superm1 when you need him!
[07:31] <superm1> Daviey, you here?
[07:40] <superm1> laga, you here?
[07:40] <Daviey> yes
[07:40] <superm1> Daviey, ppa's backend is live
[07:40] <Daviey> superm1: cool
[07:40] <superm1> so you need to clear our your apt-mirror
[07:40] <superm1> and apt-mirror the new url
[07:40] <Daviey> what has changed?
[07:41] <superm1> new server
[07:41] <superm1> its not on dogfood
[07:41] <superm1> so its fresh builds
[07:42] <Daviey> btw.. I think the supplied 'Release' is malformed
[07:42] <superm1> perhaps you got it at a bad time?
[07:42] <Daviey> possibly.. but it's bad still
[07:43] <Daviey> whats the new url then?
[07:43] <superm1> ppa.launchpad.net
[07:43] <superm1> rather than ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net
[07:43] <Daviey> cool
[07:45] <Daviey> erm
[07:45] <Daviey> sure it's working?
[07:45] <superm1> why wouldn't it be?
[07:45] <Daviey> Proceed indexes: [Ssh: ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/ubuntu//dists/feisty/main/source/Sources.gz: No such file or directory
[07:45] <Daviey> apt-mirror: can't open index in proceed_index_gz at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 368.
[07:46] <superm1> oh feisty isn't pushed yet
[07:46] <superm1> just gutsy
[07:46] <Daviey> oh
[07:46] <superm1> i guess give me a little bit
[07:46] <superm1> i'll push the feisty stuff
[07:47] <Daviey> seems small
[07:47] <Daviey> v. small
[07:47] <superm1> huh?
[07:47] <Daviey> http://pastebin.com/m582e23d8
[07:48] <Daviey> thats just deb-i386 binary tho
[07:48] <Daviey> but still *very* small
[07:48] <superm1> there are only a few apps in it
[07:48] <superm1> control centre, mythstream, ubiquity, mythbuntu-meta
[07:48] <Daviey> 3Mb in total?!
[07:49] <Daviey> surely it's bigger than that
[07:49] <Daviey> eek.. sorry misread df
[07:49] <Daviey> *du
[07:49] <superm1> the whole repo should be like 12megs
[07:50] <Daviey> Hmm.. i didn't misread it.. it is currently 3meg
[07:50] <laga> superm1: i'm here
[07:50] <superm1> laga, can you update your checkout of the weekly builds script
[07:50] <superm1> it should be ready to take your stuff and upload it to a ppa and all
[07:50] <superm1> to have launchpad do builds
[07:51] <superm1> so i'd like if you can push it to a personal ppa on your username
[07:51] <superm1> and we can try it
[07:51] <laga> cool stuff
[07:51] <laga> i'll try tomorrow, i've had enough linux today
[07:52] <superm1> haha
[07:55] <tgm4883> superm1, you may want to try out the image inline module.  I still can't get it to work, and can't figure out if it's something on my hosts end, or something that i'm doing wrong.  I do however, have the gallery module working which also can put images inline
[07:56] <superm1> tgm4883, does image inline depend on gallery then?
[07:56] <superm1> or am i interpreting wrong?
[07:56] <tgm4883> interpreting wrong
[07:56] <tgm4883> gallery also can do what inline image does
[07:56] <superm1> oh
[07:57] <tgm4883> i found that i pretty much needed gallery, as it was much easier just bringing over 200 images from G1 rather than reuploading
[07:57] <superm1> but for the purposes of mythbuntu, you think the normal image module will suffice then?
[07:57] <tgm4883> I still can't the the inline image module to work, so I uninstalled it
[07:58] <tgm4883> I think the normal image module will suffice, if we can get it to work
[07:58] <laga> 19:47 < directhex> i've put up 0.20.2 packages for dapper too, if anyone still uses it
[07:58] <tgm4883> It may just be something strange with my host
[07:58] <laga> ^^ cool
[07:58] <tgm4883> it doesn't break anything by installing it, so I think it's worth a shot
[07:58] <superm1> laga, where was this?
[07:58] <superm1> and how did he build them
[07:59] <superm1> well didn't i install image inline already on mythbuntu.org?
[07:59] <superm1> you mean installing gallery2
[07:59] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:00] <tgm4883> not sure, I can't see the modules that are installed, and if you did, then you didn't add the option in the input filter
[08:00] <tgm4883> s/filter/format
[08:00] <Daviey> superm1: can you share a `screen -x` with me?
[08:01] <superm1> never done that Daviey
[08:01] <superm1> how do i do?
[08:01] <Daviey> pm ssh details - then `screen -x`
[08:01] <superm1> sure
[08:01] <superm1> well
[08:01] <superm1> do you want my public key?
[08:01] <superm1> so you dont need to pm a password
[08:01] <Daviey> na
[08:01] <Daviey> made a tmp passwd for now
[08:02] <superm1> oh ok
[08:02] <Daviey> - will do in the future tho
[08:03] <tgm4883> woohoo
[08:03] <tgm4883> alpha4
[08:05] <superm1> well if all works out right with this build, then i'll find a way to push it around for you guys to all try
[08:05] <tgm4883> bittorrent module?
[08:06] <tgm4883> Can you check the installation of the inline image module?  I'll start working on it on mythbuntu.org if it's there
[08:07] <superm1> give me a min, i need to prep the rest of the alpha4 stuff
[08:08] <tgm4883> Also, check the Administer > Input Formats > Full HTML.  Under filters there should be a checkbox for the inline module
[08:08] <tgm4883> k
[08:10] <imbrandon> superm1: deactivating me ?
[08:11] <superm1> imbrandon, just on the ~ubuntu-mythtv, i was gonna pop you on ~mythbuntu though
[08:11] <superm1> i was just going to leave ~ubuntu-mythtv for modifying the mythtv/mythplugins branches
[08:11] <superm1> and ~mythbuntu for the rest
[08:11] <imbrandon> kk just was curious
[08:15] <superm1> okay tgm4883 its activated
[08:15] <superm1> gosh the number of modules on here is growing big.
[08:15] <tgm4883> well you can't have a website without feature :)
[08:16] <superm1> woah 34 users on here today
[08:16] <superm1> wonder why we're suddenly so popular :)
[08:16] <tgm4883> hmm interesting
[08:17] <tgm4883> I wonder if this is a different version of the module I had
[08:17] <superm1> is it working for you now?
[08:17] <tgm4883> still testing, but I can't pull from already uploaded pictures anymore
[08:19] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:19] <tgm4883> which module is this?
[08:19] <superm1> "Inline"
[08:19] <tgm4883> sec
[08:20] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:20] <tgm4883> maybe it needs both and thats why mine didn't work
[08:20] <tgm4883> [inline:imag1.png=test]
[08:20] <tgm4883> whoops
[08:20] <tgm4883> http://drupal.org/project/img_assist
[08:20] <tgm4883> thats the module for it
[08:20] <superm1> i dont have img_assist?
[08:21] <tgm4883> the one installed now just puts a link for the uploaded image in the text
[08:21] <superm1> no it puts images too i thought
[08:21] <tgm4883> just tested
[08:21] <superm1> http://drupal.org/project/inline
[08:22] <superm1> so you need to use one of the already listed images
[08:22] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:22] <superm1> that are in the image module
[08:22] <tgm4883> maybe i need to submit it then
[08:22] <superm1> what test page are you trying to play with
[08:23] <tgm4883> i just said create page
[08:23] <tgm4883> but i haven't submitted
[08:23] <tgm4883> a page doesn't hit the rss does it?
[08:23] <Daviey> don't think so
[08:24] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:24] <tgm4883> yea
[08:24] <tgm4883> maybe i have the syntax wrong
[08:24] <tgm4883> www.mythbuntu.org/testpage
[08:25] <superm1> i can't edit that page for some reason?
[08:25] <laga> heh, FTBS
[08:25] <superm1> woah wth< i'm not logged in all of a sudden?
[08:25] <superm1> laga, with what?
[08:30] <tgm4883> yea i dont know, it's still the same for me
[08:32] <superm1> hm
[08:32] <superm1> what is up with the site, its crawling right now...
[08:32] <tgm4883> did you change the css?
[08:32] <superm1> No
[08:33] <tgm4883> from install
[08:33] <tgm4883> 5. Add to the css stylesheet you're using in your theme (usually style.css)
[08:33] <tgm4883>    the following lines which you can tune to your needs. This style will be
[08:33] <tgm4883>    used by the module to print our images.
[08:33] <tgm4883>   .inline  {
[08:33] <tgm4883>    float: left; margin: 0em 1em 1em 0; display: inline;
[08:33] <tgm4883>    padding: 4px 4px;
[08:33] <tgm4883>   }
[08:33] <superm1> that would be it probably
[08:33] <tgm4883> you also need to set max size In admin/settings/inline
[08:33] <superm1> it needs to be modified on a per theme basis?
[08:33] <superm1> that's pretty bogus...
[08:33] <tgm4883> i guess, although I didn't see a style.css
[08:33] <superm1> okay let me get that in
[08:34] <tembaa> what Gfx-Card can u guys recommend on linux / mythbuntu to get working screen on TV ?
[08:34] <tgm4883> in germany?
[08:34] <tembaa> ya
[08:35] <tgm4883> is there a gfx card that outputs scart
[08:35] <tembaa> never heared of , think all have only s-video
[08:35] <Daviey> tgm4883: seriously?!
[08:35] <tgm4883> well i do what it is
[08:36] <tgm4883> but haven't really ever seen a picture or anything
[08:36] <tgm4883> so i really vaguely know about it
[08:36] <Daviey> scart is a wrapper connection for S-video + sound or composite
[08:36] <superm1> tgm4883, okay i modified the style.css
[08:36] <tgm4883> ok
[08:36] <Daviey> Used heavily in europe
[08:37] <tembaa> since midd 80`s
[08:37] <Daviey> ie. *all* tv's in europe have it afaik
[08:37] <tgm4883> ah
[08:37] <tembaa> last years s-video get more favorite
[08:37] <tgm4883> i see it now
[08:37] <tgm4883> makes lots of sense
[08:37] <tgm4883> 1 cable for audio and video
[08:38] <tembaa> ya
[08:38] <tgm4883> still nothing superm1
[08:38] <superm1> hm tgm4883
[08:38] <tembaa> and i have scart where u can plugin sound + s-vid from pc
[08:38] <superm1> any other install steps?
[08:38] <tembaa> you guys use mythbuntu on tv or monitor ?
[08:38] <tgm4883> nothing that you haven't done
[08:38] <tgm4883> except maybe the one for different languages
[08:39] <tgm4883> tembaa, both kinda, my tv has vga in
[08:40] <tgm4883> would the failed to build email i got for the mythbuntu ppa be a bad thing, i think it is
[08:40] <superm1> tgm4883, um possibly i'll have to check.
[08:40] <Daviey> eeeek.. mythplugins failed to build?
[08:41] <tgm4883> yep
[08:41] <tgm4883> for i386 and amd64
[08:42] <MythbuntuGuest09> hi, just wondering what minimum specs of machine are for latest version of mythbuntu?
[08:42] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest09: hi
[08:42] <MythbuntuGuest09> hi
[08:42] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest09, depends on what you want to do with the machine
[08:42] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest09: depends highly on what you want
[08:42] <tgm4883> High def, or standard def
[08:42] <MythbuntuGuest09> standard
[08:42] <tgm4883> frontend only, backend only, both
[08:43] <MythbuntuGuest09> backend serving to 2 modded xboxes
[08:43] <tgm4883> what kind and how many tv tuners
[08:43] <MythbuntuGuest09> curently 1 tv tuner, 1 sec, ill find the make
[08:43] <Daviey> Some tuners do the mpeg conversion on the card; others make the CPU do it
[08:44] <superm1> tgm4883, that failed build is okay
[08:44] <tgm4883> good
[08:44] <superm1> just needs to be requeued
[08:45] <Daviey> ahh was it because it depennded upon packages that were not yet built?
[08:46] <tgm4883> ah
[08:46] <tgm4883> superm1, maybe i need to try a different file type.  No go for .png?
[08:46] <superm1> tgm4883, i'd kinda doubt that, but it wont hurt to try another type
[08:47] <MythbuntuGuest09> its a visionplus 3020 dvb-t card
[08:47] <MythbuntuGuest09> cheap so im guessing not hardware encoder.
[08:47] <Daviey> never heard of it
[08:47] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest09: dvb-t is raw mpeg stream
[08:47] <Daviey> so v. little cpu usage
[08:47] <MythbuntuGuest09> connexant chip and philips big silver thingy if that helps :P
[08:48] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest09: will this box be both frontend and back?
[08:49] <MythbuntuGuest09> nah, just back
[08:49] <MythbuntuGuest09> its just a temporary fix for now, will be upgrading soon
[08:49] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest09: naff all then
[08:49] <Daviey> unless you want to do commerical detection / re-encode
[08:49] <MythbuntuGuest09> will an athlon 2100+ 512mb ram do for?
[08:49] <Daviey> 650Mhz will probably run it :)
[08:50] <tgm4883> superm1, neither jpg or gif worked either, so it must be something else wrong
[08:50] <MythbuntuGuest09> ooh, thats my 2nd choice pc :P
[08:50] <Daviey> that will be fine
[08:50] <MythbuntuGuest09> commercial detection?
[08:51] <MythbuntuGuest09> well, thanking you all very much :) you have been really helpful :)
[08:52] <tgm4883> I don't know whats wrong superm1, looking at the documentation it should be working
[08:52] <superm1> hm
[08:52] <tgm4883> this is what it should be looking like
[08:52] <tgm4883> http://test.weilandhomes.com/2131mistymorning
[08:53] <tgm4883> let me try one more thing
[08:54] <tgm4883> superm1, i may have figured it out
[08:55] <superm1> tgm4883, that can make for some sweet pages then
[08:55] <tgm4883> well
[08:55] <tgm4883> what do you have the max size set for
[08:55] <laga> superm1: mythplugins, just got that email
[08:55] <superm1> laga, yea its okay
[08:55] <tgm4883> i think we have to manually make the pics the right size
[08:55] <superm1> laga, just needs to be requeued
[08:55] <superm1> it was tried to build too quick
[08:56] <laga> k
[08:57] <tgm4883> superm1, is the site still going slow for you?
[08:57] <superm1> tgm4883, i haven't visitied in a few min
[08:57] <tgm4883> ok
[08:58] <superm1> i'm working with daviey on the apt-mirror
[08:58] <tgm4883> seems to be pretty quick for me
[08:58] <superm1> okay good
[08:58] <tgm4883> ah
[08:58] <superm1> ick um that link for schedules direct in ubiquity isn't working
[08:58] <superm1> that's odd
[08:58] <tgm4883> ?
[08:58] <superm1> in alpha4's iso
[08:58] <tgm4883> interesting
[08:58] <tgm4883> isn't it directed to http://www.schedulesdirect.org/
[08:59] <laga> where is alpha 4?
[08:59] <superm1> its not opening anything
[08:59] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:59] <superm1> laga, i just built it locally to test before pushing to you guys
[08:59] <laga> ah
[08:59] <laga> k
[08:59] <tgm4883> superm1, does it open it if you already have firefox open?
[09:00] <superm1> tgm4883, nope same thing
[09:00] <superm1> doesnt do anything
[09:01] <superm1> wonder what happened there
[09:01] <tgm4883> interesting
[09:02] <superm1> okay well that's gotta be fixed before alpha4 goes out
[09:02] <tgm4883> do the other links work?
[09:02] <superm1> the link at the beginning for release notes appears to be active
[09:03] <tgm4883> let me check it out
[09:03] <tgm4883> which one is it again /mythbuntu-ubiquity/?
[09:04] <superm1> yea
[09:04] <superm1> that sounds right
[09:06] <tgm4883> i'm going to have to pull the old one out of alpha 3 and look at that
[09:06] <tgm4883> it's going to take me a few minutes
[09:07] <superm1> well i think its something that changed in alpha4's ubiquity possibly
[09:07] <superm1> in the code
[09:07] <superm1> that is requiring things to work this way
[09:07] <tgm4883> ah
[09:07] <superm1> tgm4883, you want to generate an alpha4 disk by you
[09:07] <superm1> and you can see perhaps?
[09:07] <tgm4883> there is another link in the alpha 4 that works though?
[09:08] <tgm4883> i may not need it, let me see if i can examine the other link first
[09:08] <superm1> let me double check
[09:08] <superm1> i'm pretty sure the first link works right
[09:14] <tgm4883> I can't find the other link, whats it in reference to?
[09:14] <tgm4883> superm1, build me that iso and i'll take a look at it
[09:14] <superm1> tgm4883, do you want me to show you how to build it?
[09:14] <superm1> its a really easy process now
[09:14] <superm1> i just committed my build script changes
[09:15] <tgm4883> uh, sure, can i build it for i386 on a amd64 easily?
[09:15] <superm1> oh yea
[09:15] <tgm4883> i dont' have any 64 bit VM's
[09:15] <tgm4883> ok
[09:15] <superm1> you can debootstrap into an i386 chroot, you can build it
[09:16] <superm1> no you dont
[09:16] <superm1> it does it for you
[09:16] <superm1> during the build
[09:16] <tgm4883> ah
[09:16] <tgm4883> sweet
[09:16] <superm1> the whole build consists of one step now
[09:16] <tgm4883> sweet
[09:16] <tgm4883> it's those 12 step programs that get him
[09:16] <superm1> get the mythbuntu-livedisk branch
[09:17] <superm1> revno 12 has my latest changes
[09:17] <tgm4883> arg, i didn't add that to my packaging file
[09:18] <superm1> tgm4883, you don't even want to see my ~/Software/source directory
[09:18] <tgm4883> bzr branch ...live disk?
[09:18] <superm1><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:18] <superm1> is what i use
[09:19] <tgm4883> hmm
[09:19] <tgm4883><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:20] <tgm4883> right?
[09:20] <superm1> on gutsy ya
[09:20] <superm1> on feisty, use sftp://
[09:20] <tgm4883> ah
[09:21] <tgm4883> ok, i got something wrong then
[09:21] <tgm4883><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:21] <superm1> that's right
[09:21] <superm1> oh nvm the other URL is broken too
[09:21] <superm1> the Release Notes one
[09:21] <tgm4883> No such file or directory
[09:21] <tgm4883> ah
[09:21] <superm1> okay well dont worry about it then
[09:21] <superm1> for now
[09:21] <tgm4883> ok, but I still get No such file or directory
[09:22] <tgm4883> so we'll have to figure that out sometime
[09:22] <superm1> bzr branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[09:22] <tgm4883> f, i knew i was supposed to have the bzr branch part
[09:22] <tgm4883> all
[09:22] <tgm4883> all good now
[09:26] <hendrixski> hey... quick questions about Ubuntu, mythtv, and xservers...
[09:26] <hendrixski> does Mythtv run on any other xservers other than x11? like xvesa or something?
[09:26] <hendrixski> and does Ubuntu package those in any way?  like how DSL does? or the yahoo group trying to make ubuntu-lite?
[09:27] <hendrixski> err.. google groups
[09:40] <superm1> tgm4883, once you have that checked out you do the build like this:
[09:41] <superm1> NEW_DIRECTORY=/home/user/blah sudo sh mythbuntu_install.sh
[09:41] <superm1> and it goes
[09:41] <superm1> you can override any other variable in the script near the top too
[09:41] <superm1> should you want to
[09:41] <superm1> hendrixski, it should work on other Xservers
[09:41] <superm1> dont see any reason why not
[09:45] <superm1> tgm4883, did you experiment with imagecache too?
[09:45] <tgm4883> superm1, not yet, have a few work related items i need to attend to
[09:45] <superm1> ah okay
[09:46] <superm1> well i just installed it, i wonder if that is all that will be needed :)
[09:46] <superm1> i saw it mentioned on the page
[09:46] <superm1> dude!!!!!!
[09:46] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/testpage
[09:46] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/testpage
[09:46] <superm1> :)
[09:47] <superm1> tgm4883, ^
[09:47] <hendrixski> superm1, sweet
[09:47] <hendrixski> I'm thinking of giving it a try with some of the xservers used in embedded systems...in order to get faster performance...
[09:48] <hendrixski> and I'm looking for an Ubuntu distribution that has any of those tools... I'm guessing Ubuntu-lite will, but I don't see them progressing.
[09:49] <superm1> hendrixski, if such utilities aren't packaged yet, touch bases with me around after gutsy is finished, and i'll help get things in for gutsy+1
[09:49] <superm1> packaged and such
[09:49] <hendrixski> superm1, will do
[09:50] <hendrixski> I'm thinking of starting a company that'll develop a service model, and one of the many components for our apliance would be Mythtv... and of course, I'm an ubuntu user so I want to use Ubuntu as much as I can... I have a feeling that you and I are going to be talking a lot in the near future.  :-)
[09:54] <tgm4883> superm1, do you know what the max size is set for the inline module?
[09:54] <tgm4883> I had to shrink that pic down in order to get it to work
[09:55] <superm1> tgm4883, imagecache should dynamically scale it now i'd think
[09:55] <tgm4883> ok
[09:55] <tgm4883> i'll try it with image cache then
[09:55] <superm1>  where do i check the max size though?
[09:56] <tgm4883> sec
[09:56] <tgm4883> check pm
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135216 in mythtv (multiverse) "OSD fonts badly rendered in most zoom settings" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135216
[10:12] <superm1> foxbuntu, foxbuntu_laptop you here?
[10:35] <Daviey> superm1: I truly give up!
[10:35] <Daviey> I am stumped
[10:35] <superm1> Daviey, you cant give up
[10:35] <superm1> you signed a contract
[10:35] <superm1> that you will figure this out
[10:35] <superm1> :)
[10:35] <Daviey> O RLY
[10:36] <Daviey> Is this contract enforceable under english law
[10:36] <Daviey> or just naff o' US law? :)
[10:36] <superm1> well its not a software patent
[10:36] <superm1> so yes
[10:36] <Daviey> >:`(
[10:37] <Daviey> I honestly don't know what else to do
[10:37] <Daviey> i've tried signing all Releases
[10:38] <superm1> perhaps this is why they haven't introduced signing to the buildds yet
[10:38] <superm1> some annoying bug like this
[10:39] <Daviey> superm1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/baz/+bug/702
[10:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 702 in baz "Error accessing signed package archive" [Medium,New]
[10:39] <superm1> woah that looks familiar....
[10:40] <Daviey> :)
[10:40] <Daviey> So we need to recreate the Releases file
[10:40] <Daviey> but how?
[10:40] <superm1> that's a bit of an old bug though
[10:40] <Daviey> still same issue
[10:46] <laga> superm1: WRT mythbuntu-control-centre and vnc: we could patch mythweb to add a java vnc client. just a thought
[10:47] <superm1> laga, ooh i like that idea
[10:47] <Daviey> superm1: apt-get update ;)
[10:47] <Daviey> getting there
[10:48] <superm1> W: GPG error: http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org gutsy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG C1A77650EEED06D0 Mythbuntu Automated Package Builder<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:48] <superm1> ?
[10:48] <Daviey> :)
[10:49] <Daviey> ffs
[10:50] <superm1> haha
[11:11] <keescook> superm1: no data again today, but it does know my expiration date.
[11:11] <superm1> keescook, hm that's not good.  i'll double check mine when i get home tonight
[11:11] <keescook> superm1: cool
[11:12] <keescook> we've got 13 days to fix it.  ;)
[11:12] <keescook> There's guide data until 2007-09-11 20:00 (13 days).
[11:12] <superm1> keescook, well seb128 gave me a handful about uploading another SRU
[11:12] <superm1> saying i have to subscribe ~ubuntu-archive
[11:13] <superm1> and that i shouldnt be asking in -devel for someone to do it
[11:13] <keescook> *sigh*  too bad the SRU docs don't mention it.
[11:15] <superm1> keescook, i got fed up with it, and i put it on the MOTU meeting agenda
[11:15] <superm1> for the upcoming meeting
[11:15] <keescook> yeah.  hmpf
[11:16] <superm1> i might not be able to make the meeting, but i think it should at least be discussed
[11:16] <superm1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings
[11:19] <Daviey> Saturday, September 8th, 00:00 UTC.  ---- SERIOUSLY?!
[11:19] <superm1> i know.
[11:19] <keescook> owchy
[11:19] <superm1> horrible timing
[11:19] <Daviey> Somebody must be tugging on my catheter
[11:24] <tgm4883> how do you show html code on a page?  For instance I want to show <span class="inline left"><img src="/files/images/pnw-logo.png" width="250"> on the page, not have it insert the image
[11:25] <keescook> < == <   and > == >   these are called "entity encoding"
[11:26] <keescook> so e.g.:    <span class="inline left">
[11:26] <tgm4883> ah, thanks
[11:26] <keescook> np :)
[11:27] <superm1> looks like i'm already unearthing bugs in pre-ppa-productions release.  i suddenly have all these uploads on my lp.net/~superm1/+packages that i uploaded to ppa.  oops :)
[11:51] <Daviey> superm1: ;)
[11:51] <Daviey> apt-get update
[11:51] <superm1> you got it?
[11:52] <Daviey> not *quite*
[11:52] <superm1> W: Conflicting distribution: http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org gutsy Release (expected gutsy but got )
[11:52] <Daviey> yep
[11:52] <superm1> but the GPG key works!
[11:52] <superm1> :)
[11:52] <Daviey> no idea wtf the error is about tho
[11:53] <superm1> what'd you chnage?
[11:54] <Daviey> recreated Release
[12:08] <tgm4883> wholey crap
[12:09] <tgm4883> all my write ups end up being really long
[12:09] <tgm4883> well anyway, superm1,  i think this explains how to use img assist pretty well
[12:09] <tgm4883> http://www.mythbuntu.org/imgast
[12:09] <Daviey> superm1: apt-get update NOW
[12:10] <tgm4883> anyway, i have an errand to run, so let me know what you think
[12:10] <MythbuntuGuest90> hi I have a video errow with the live cd? it tells me that I need t o set up my video card but I dont knolw how to do it
[12:11] <superm1> woah Daviey :)
[12:11] <superm1> it works!
[12:11] <MythbuntuGuest90> I have a radeon 9250
[12:12] <Daviey> superm1: that was peeing me off
[12:13] <Daviey> now i need to put it into a script
[12:13] <MythbuntuGuest90> hello anyone?
[12:13] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest90: we are here
[12:13] <MythbuntuGuest90> can you help please?
[12:13] <Daviey> Is it an error, or just a text box?
[12:14] <Daviey> I don't know the answer tbh; but I'm sure you can skip it at this stage and come back to it
[12:14] <Daviey> Ubuntu might do it for you :)
[12:15] <MythbuntuGuest90> it tells me that it cannot setup my video card, sorry I came out of it so I cannot tell the exact error but it wont let me get any further. it goes to the coman prompt
[12:15] <Daviey> There again; it also depends if you have a 4:3 or 16:9 TV attahed
[12:15] <MythbuntuGuest90> it tells me that it cannot setup my video card, sorry I came out of it so I cannot tell the exact error but it wont let me get any further. it goes to the command prompt
[12:15] <Daviey> hmm.. I think keescook might be your man on that
[12:15] <MythbuntuGuest90> `6:9 tv lcd
[12:15] <Daviey> He was playing around with autodetection iiirc
[12:16] <MythbuntuGuest90> 16:9 even
[12:16] <keescook> less autodetection, more "make udev keep my devices in the right order".  ;)
[12:16] <MythbuntuGuest90> so what can I do to get past it? I'm usinga live CD to test it withput install
[12:17] <MythbuntuGuest90> sorry for the typing...I'm using a media centre keyboard.. not too accurate :)
[12:19] <MythbuntuGuest90> is there a command I can type in to set up my video display and move on? it mentions GDM needs restarting when I've setup the video?
[12:19] <Daviey> restart gdm with sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:20] <MythbuntuGuest90> ok.. I
[12:20] <Daviey> I'm sorry, but I can't help more
[12:20] <MythbuntuGuest90> I'll try that thanks
[12:20] <Daviey> I would suggest you raise a bug tho ;)
[12:22] <MythbuntuGuest90> I'll have a go at that and then raise a bug if doesnt work. Thanks :)
[12:48] <williammanda> anyone one awake?
[12:49] <Daviey> williammanda: yah
[12:50] <williammanda> have you heard of setting up a lcd monitor using dvi to hdmi connection? dvi-video hdmi-monitor
[12:51] <Alowishus> should be no problem with the right cable?
[12:53] <Daviey> williammanda: i use that on my production machine
[12:53] <williammanda> i bought a dvi-hdmi cable from walmart
[12:54] <Daviey> hdmi-monitor = 32" 16:9 LCD TV
[12:54] <williammanda> i'm stuck trying to get 1366*768 res
[12:54] <Daviey> williammanda: bear in mind that normally hdmi carries sound.. and DVI-HDMI won't
[12:55] <williammanda> i have a vizio 42 lcd and nvidia 7300 le.....the best I can get is 1280*720
[12:56] <Daviey> and the native resolution is 1366*768
[12:56] <Daviey> ?
[12:56] <williammanda> the video quality isn't good
[12:56] <Daviey> HD video?
[12:56] <williammanda> yes...and the native resolution is 1366*768
[12:56] <williammanda> yes..HD is poor
[12:57] <Daviey> Have you checked the manual on what the TV is expecting from HDMI
[12:57] <Daviey> My TV had about 3 options
[12:57] <williammanda> I'm using Option "UseEDID" "True"
[12:58] <Daviey> Sorry.. I mean - on the actual TV
[12:58] <Daviey> my TV would only accept 3 resolutions IIRC
[12:58] <williammanda> the tech at vizio says you can only expect 640*480 using dvi-hdmi
[12:58] <Alowishus> that's nuts
[12:58] <Daviey> williammanda: bah.. full of rubbish
[12:58] <williammanda> surprised me when he said that
[12:59] <Daviey> brb.. dog walkies
[12:59] <Alowishus> wondering if he was thinking S-Video
[12:59] <williammanda> not sure...we never talked about anything other than using digital
[01:00] <williammanda> am i missing something or have I got the best I can get so far?
[01:03] <CBiLL> howdy .. how alpha4 coming along?
[01:06] <williammanda> if i can't get the resolution to get recognized automatically by using Option "UseEDID" "True" then do i need to you modeline?


[14:24] <PolanSpace> hey
[19:09] <dancingmonkey> There is a link issue on the website, http://lubuntu.me/downloads/. Look at the normal HTTP links for Alternate, x86 and amd64 are reversed.
[19:09] <dancingmonkey> The magnet links are correct.
[19:11] <krytarik> redwolf: ↑
[19:11] <krytarik> dancingmonkey: Thanks. :D
[19:40] <dancingmonkey> That was quick.
[19:41] <krytarik> Oh cool, fixed.
[19:43] <dancingmonkey> I am trying to find a "distro" that is light and easily works with VNC without needing to actually invest time in configuration. I've had great luck in Mint that ran out last upgrade, Debian was as disappointing as CentOS, and now I'm looking at lighter distros in hopes one might just work and use less RAM.\
[19:50] <zleap> dancingmonkey: what has run out ?
[19:52] <dancingmonkey> Mint was working with Tight/Tiger/Whatever VNC, but after the new install the resolution went goofy
[19:53] <zleap> ah
[19:53] <zleap> i think the pixel desktop for the Pi has vnc built in,  you can now download the same deb based distro for pc's / laptops
[19:55] <zleap> https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspberry-pi-desktop/
[19:55] <zleap> I would ask on #raspberrypi for specific info / help
[19:56] <dancingmonkey> I looked at pixel on distrowatch, I'll give it a try. I have a crap-tastic ESXi node and installing everything is super fun and generally I think everyone should get one.
[19:56] <dancingmonkey> Have you seen pi-hole.net? I am running that with great success.
[20:44] <zleap> dancingmonkey: pi hole looks interesting


[23:55] <tomasko> peeps[work]: you get more registers but there are very few niche areas where they are actually properly used (like video encoding and other number crunching applications)
[23:56] <peeps[work]> damn, i guess I'm a moron
[23:57] <Gnine> jockey fails to recognize any proprietary driver.  need wiki. do it
[23:58] <Gnine> maybe i should try sending jockey to trash bin .. but then updates would probably conflict with that
[23:59] <dovlaz> does anyone know what divers will 8.04 support off the cd for broadcom wireless? (xps 1330)??


P
[10:58] <jair0> more like daffy duck, or ?
[10:59] <savvas> "you're dithhhhpicable!"
[10:59] <jair0> xD
[11:00] <savvas> I still remember those cartoons :)
[11:00] <kwwii> actually, I don't think I have ever seen anyone yell at jair0 ...he's too nice of a guy to yell at
[11:01] <jair0> ooooooooh
[11:01] <savvas> ahhh those were the days, not today with the anime and stuff
[11:01] <jair0> a lot of violence too, though
[11:01] <jair0> remember roadrunner :)
[11:02] <savvas> mik mik :p
[11:02] <kwwii> that poor wolf
[11:02] <jair0> the coyote !
[11:03] <jair0> mik mik
[11:03] <kwwii> erm, right
[11:07] <jair0> kwwii, just let me know what time you'll arrive to get your (ehem) your internet connection ready and the like :)
[11:12] <kwwii> jair0: beautifull :-)
[11:12] <kwwii> jair0: I will be arriving thursday evening probably either 8 or 10
[11:13] <kwwii> jair0: the french guy is gone? if so, I can give you some money instead of paying for a hotel :-)
[11:16] <jair0> kwwii, yes the guy is gone until the 8. and I'll be gone from the 4. to 13. June
[11:17] <jair0> kwii, I'll have my Scandinavian Tour: software integration in Helsinki and ICT Mobile Summit in Stockholm :)
[11:17] <kwwii> sounds like a lot of drinking to me
[11:18] <kwwii> I hope you get a good per diem, scandanavia is really expensive (although I've never been to sweden I guess it is just as expensive as the others)
[11:21] <savvas> carpe diem ;p
[11:28] <jair0> I wish I had a decent 'per diem' they just pay you...  something like 30 EUR a day
[11:29] <jair0> "you are supposed to be working, not hanging out"
[11:29] <jair0> "McDonald's food might also be good for you"
[11:30] <kwwii> hehe
[11:30] <kwwii> you could spend the money on drinks alone ;-)
[11:30] <artnay> http://eat.fi/?str=5&setLang=3 try that instead of mcd ;-)
[11:30] <jair0> but it's nice anyway.... they pay you back the flight and the hotel and the taxis, etc
[11:30] <kwwii> so, for anyone who hasn't seen my ass on stage yet... http://foodfight.org/fotos/2008/05-22%20UDS-Intrepid,%20Prague/img_0127.jpg.html
[11:31] <artnay> and if you need advices regarding helsinki, just /q or join #ubuntu-fi
[11:31]  * kwwii puts a dark theme in ubuntu - people will be flipping out tomorrow
[11:32] <jair0> kwwii, dude, looks like you're wearing a skirt. Was it in Glasgow ?
[11:32] <kwwii> lol, it was prague and they are actually just shorts :p
[11:32] <jair0> thanks for the tip, artnay !
[11:34] <andreasn> kwwii: do you have a screenshot for us who are not brave enough to run the unstable version?
[11:35] <andreasn> alt. needs a system that works :)
[11:36] <jair0> kwwii, nice pics ! powerful pics !
[11:37] <kwwii> andreasn: I'll make one when I have the stuff ready :-)
[11:37] <andreasn> okidock :)
[11:39] <kwwii> jair0: thanks! now you know why I bring all this heavy camera crap with me everywhere :p
[18:34] <DanaG> Random: http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/2/14/773006/Echo.jpg


[11:02] <lapo> hi there
[01:22] <nothlit> hihi
[04:47] <dholbach> kwwii: I've switched to dmz-cursor-theme
[04:47] <dholbach> kwwii: it has the new jimmac cursors (not the black ones though)
[04:47] <dholbach> kwwii: just thought I'd let you know
[04:48] <dholbach> we'll drop human-cursors-theme with that
[04:48] <dholbach> (just jumped in here because you weren't in #ubuntu-devel)
[05:01] <kwwii> dholbach: great, thanks :-)
[05:01] <dholbach> :)
[05:02] <dholbach> *wave*


[02:48] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:51] <Y05hito__> hey lotus.
[02:53] <Y05hito__> You wanna know the offtopic question of the morning? -> why they do not make hotdog at the Mac Donald. ANd nearly only burgers. (few wraps and salads now or nuggets, but no hotdog)
[02:53] <Y05hito__> hotdog is definitly american too, and very much like a burger with or without garniture.
[02:53] <Y05hito__> anyway.
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> ill have a coffee first :p
[05:59] <fly_> ls