[02:11] <IdleOne> bazhang: Are they trying to install wine for netflix?
[02:12] <bazhang> IdleOne, no idea
[02:12] <bazhang> he's adding the wine repo
[02:15] <bazhang> bizarro
[02:15] <bazhang> wonder if he's really running Debain
[02:16] <IdleOne> You scared them off
[02:16] <IdleOne> :P
[02:16] <bazhang> righto
[02:16] <bazhang> asking for more info is *so* scary
[02:20] <IdleOne> you could have been a 1337 h4x0r
[02:55] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu adknight87 consistently giving odd/unsupported advice, refuses to discuss in PM
 are you guys Indian?
[04:02] <bazhang> troll detected
[04:02] <bazhang> ie Indians work for almost nothing doing tech support
[04:03] <genii-around> Ah
[15:02] <bazhang> augh


[05:40] <C-O-L-T> Hobbsee: so what do you mean? I am asking that there are more apps for debian than for fedora?
[05:40] <kkathman> Fedora is a good distro, but its just too subjective to say one is better than another
[05:40] <C-O-L-T> visik7: it does not have a package manager?
[05:40] <DeadZed> DeadZed is trying to change 640x320 resolution to 1024x768
[05:40] <visik7> C-O-L-T: it has a package manager
[05:40] <Hobbsee> kkathman: thankyou - brain is going hazy at 3.40 am lol!
[05:40] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: yes it does
[05:40] <flipjarg> was that his xorg.conf file?
[05:40] <visik7> C-O-L-T: but apt is far better than yum
[05:40] <DeadZed> DeadZed xorg.conf file: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7274
[05:40] <visik7> DeadZed: and the resolution that u see is ... ?
[05:41] <kkathman> visik7:  an YaST is better than both
[05:41] <visik7> kkathman: yast is gui
[05:41] <DeadZed> jeesus christ man... scroll upwards a bit
[05:41] <visik7> kkathman: and not scriptable
[05:41] <kkathman> but the apt system isnt bad in ubuntu
[05:41] <C-O-L-T> visik7: I see.
[05:41] <icke> how can i check what version of KDE i have installed?
[05:41] <kkathman> visik7: oh yes it is...you tried 10?
[05:41] <C-O-L-T> visik7: I like Fedora cause it has a lot of packages included
[05:41] <Hobbsee> icke: konversation --version
[05:41] <visik7> icke: kcontrol
[05:41] <flipjarg> DeadZed: have you been able to change the resolution with the display gui?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> C-O-L-T: i hear you might like mandriva, as well then
[05:42] <visik7> C-O-L-T: here in ubuntu there are 27000 packages if u enable universe and multiverse are they enough
[05:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:42] <Hobbsee> should be enough
[05:42] <kkathman> I think its closer to 17,000 right now in breezy (problem is that most are dated)
[05:42] <DeadZed> flipjarg no .. there is only 640x320 option ... I think that there is no-one able to help me here .. just newbies chatting
[05:43] <shawkins> kkathman is no newbie :)
[05:43] <kkathman> but at the same time, dated means stable
[05:43] <abionnnn> I'm trying to use the latest ATI firegl drivers, /var/log/Xor.log seems to indicate that DRI has been installed but glxinfo indicated mesa is being used
[05:43] <visik7> DeadZed: the problen is that is not simple to understand your problem from a config file
[05:43] <kkathman> shawkins: nope...been with it a bit  :)
[05:43] <flipjarg> DeadZed: Alright. Before i go though, it may be the monitor model you've chosen.
[05:43] <flipjarg> DeadZed: Good luck.
[05:43] <abionnnn> any ideas?
[05:44] <C-O-L-T> Hobbsee: I have never tried neither Mandriva nor Fedora just the live cd versions, and I have seen them I am using linux for 3 months, my first linux was xandros, and now kubuntu/ubuntu. I don't know which is the best for me. I have got used to ubuntu cause it is easy to use. But there are a lot of Linux distros so you have a choice, in your opinion should i remain at ubuntu?
[05:44] <DeadZed> no one is able to help me again :(
[05:45] <abionnnn> DeadZed: should try your luck in #debian :P
[05:45] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  basically almost any distro is good, and solid its all in what your preferences are..if you use KDE they all will look alike pretty much anyway :)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> C-O-L-T: there's a good distro-chooser...somewhere...
[05:45] <abionnnn> if you can run Slackware, there's no point running anything else :P

[05:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:46] <shawkins> ok kids, I'm going to head out for a bit, got some things to do, adios
[05:46] <kkathman> except to put up with the arrogance of the slackware user community :)
[05:46] <abionnnn> we're not arrogant, we're just smarter and we smell better
[05:46] <abionnnn> :P
[05:46] <Hobbsee> C-O-L-T: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=118204
[05:46] <kkathman> but as far as distros go...if you can configure Slack, you can do anything :)
[05:46] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I tried first KDE and I changed to GNOME, I don't know why but I like it, I like it a lot
[05:46] <shawkins> abionnnn just because I can run slackware doesn't mean I like it :)
[05:47] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  all distros have both
[05:47] <Hobbsee> C-O-L-T: in particular:  http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/
[05:47] <shawkins> C-O-L-T: Its a matter of personal preference, I prefer KDE over Gnome, I like all the apps that come with it, notably kdevelop and the webdev package
[05:47] <greniesa> 11
[05:47] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: As far as I know ubuntu comes natively with gnome
[05:48] <Hobbsee> it does
[05:48] <shawkins> C-O-L-T which is why Kubuntu is here, it coms with KDE :)
[05:48] <Hobbsee> and kubuntu comes wth kde - that' sthe difference between them
[05:48] <shawkins> now I gotta go, adios
[05:48] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: ubuntu does, kubuntu comes natively with KDE
[05:48] <DerCorny> i dont quite understand the ubuntu versioning stuff
[05:48] <visik7> DeadZed: try here http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions/paidsupport
[05:48] <kkathman> other sitros just give you that option during install time
[05:48] <Hobbsee> DerCorny: what do you mean?
[05:48] <kkathman> distros I mean
[05:49] <jariep1_> i have one question about php-mysql module... phpmyadmin seems to work in accessing mysql but phpinfo doesn't show mysql, why?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> as in, what in particular?
[05:49] <yellowdart> shawkins: speaking of kdevelop and quanta...any idea how to integrate ruby on rails with either? or am i stuck with eclipse for an IDE
[05:49] <DerCorny> let's say i install 5.10 that comes with kde 3.4.3 (iirc), but kde 3.5 is out - to get 3.5 i'll either have to wait for 6.04 or use a 3rd party repro, right?
[05:49] <kkathman> jariep1_: if it doesnt there is something wrong
[05:50] <jariep1_> kkathman, i think so, but not sure where to start
[05:50] <kkathman> jariep1_: go back through your php/mysql setup
[05:51] <jariep1_> ok
[05:51] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I see
[05:51] <C-O-L-T> Hobbsee: I see
[05:51] <C-O-L-T> I like ubuntu
[05:51] <C-O-L-T> I am just curious
[05:51] <Hentai^XP> oh no
[05:52] <Hentai^XP> distro quiz? Hobbsee link ob that?
[05:52] <Hobbsee>  http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/
[05:52] <abionnnn> Ubuntu is great until you try to install the latest ATI drivers :P
[05:52] <Hobbsee> scroll up :P
[05:52] <Hentai^XP> oh ok
[05:52] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: I believe that ubuntu is very easy to install, works with more hardware standardly, and is one of the best "out of the box" distros.  Every distro has its own pros and cons. I suggest you stick with one for a while, get used to Linux and its commands, before trying others.
[05:52] <abionnnn> Then again, every distro is great until you try to install the latest ATI drivers
[05:52] <Hentai^XP> Hobbsee got a score yet?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> hehe, i've heard bad things about ati drivers lol
[05:52] <Hobbsee> no, still doing it
[05:53] <Hentai^XP> kk
[05:53] <kkathman> ATI = linux unfriendly
[05:53] <visik7> abionnnn: I installed it cleanly
[05:53] <kkathman> most of the time
[05:53] <Hobbsee> hehehe!
[05:53] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: probably you are right. I got used to ubuntu, probably it would be hard to switch to a non debian based distro
[05:54] <Hobbsee> in order:  kubuntu, SuSE, Debian, Mepis, Mandriva
[05:54] <Hobbsee> Hentai^XP: ^
[05:54] <abionnnn> visik7: latest? Hmmm how'd you go about it?
[05:54] <Hentai^XP> kk Hobbsee soon hopefully I'll find mine out too
[05:54] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: its not hard to switch, the main things you'll tackle are usually in how packages are managed and how to get them.. Debian does it one way, SuSE and Fedora do it differently...etc
[05:55] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: but if all you do is surf the net, do email..and a few admin tasks, theres almost no difference
[05:55] <abionnnn> and slackware doesn't do it at all
[05:55] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: one thing you WILL find, is that the ubuntu community and support is FAR FAR superior to any other distro hands down
[05:56] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I don't just surf the net and so on, I am using graphic software, office suites, and a so oin
[05:56] <abionnnn> kkathman: don't know about that :P
[05:56] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  those are pretty common too
[05:56] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I have noticed this, that ubuntu has a big support community
[05:56] <kkathman> abionnnn: I DO know that
[05:56] <jariep1_> kkathamn, everything is installed php4 MySQL 4.0 php-mysql, what should I look for?
[05:56] <abionnnn> kkathman: it's hard to compete with debian's community
[05:57] <abionnnn> even though ubuntu is a derivative
[05:57] <Hentai^XP> Hobbsee -> SuSE, Debian, Fedora, Foresight Linux
[05:57] <Hobbsee> lol ok then
[05:57] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: thanks for the ldc link, my results were Debian, Kubuntu, Mepis and SuSE, so i'll stick with Kubuntu :)
[05:57] <Hentai^XP> what did you think I'd get Hobbsee ?
[05:58] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: its not just the support, its the community and the ATTITUDE (abionnnn)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> dipnlik: hehe!  i've always gotten kubuntu as first - not sure why
[05:58] <abionnnn> yeah I like what I see with Ubuntu
[05:58] <Hobbsee> Hentai^XP: no idea, really
[05:58] <DeadZed> C-O-L-T Ubuntu has one of the best sorted documtation and community ... Gentoo has the most active community
[05:58] <Hentai^XP> lol me either
[05:58] <kkathman> In my experience, Debian and Slack are not friendly and are very arrogant
[05:58] <kkathman> but thats my experience YMMV
[05:58] <Hentai^XP> I'm friendly kkathman
[05:58] <abionnnn> I'll still use slackware myself because it suits me better, but if I'm installing linux for someone else I don't see a better choice other than Ubuntu
[05:59] <jariep1_> kkathman, that's my experience too
[05:59] <DeadZed> kkathman Debian people in IRC are EXTREMELY arrogant
[05:59] <abionnnn> kkathman, heyyyyy that's not true :P you just have to ask the right way with slackers
[05:59] <abionnnn> debians *are* arrogant though
[05:59] <abionnnn> but usually they're more skillful
[05:59] <abionnnn> which is perplexing to me...
[05:59] <jariep1_> everytime i asked a question they told me to read the man pages, as a newbie that's not easy
[05:59] <abionnnn> *shrug*
[06:00] <Hentai^XP> I do hate man pages
[06:00] <C-O-L-T> DeadZed: I see
[06:00] <DeadZed> I even go to #Gentoo with my debian questions sometimes .. they always help :)
[06:00] <jariep1_> so, where do I start, how do i check the setup?
[06:01] <kkathman> abionnnn: Like I said, its just my experience... the #suse channel is full of adolescents that talk about pizza and games most of the time...so ... hehe
[06:02] <kkathman> abionnnn: if I need help in something I want to get someone to help, not berate and laugh because I might be a newbie...thats the problem I have in debian and slack
[06:02] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: don't you think that suse is the most powerfull?
[06:02] <C-O-L-T> distro?
[06:02] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: no, not really...they all are built on the same backbone and run the same apps...why would one be "more powerful" than the other?
[06:03] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: cause it is 5 cd
[06:03] <abionnnn_> Hentai^XP, you realise that you should learn how to read man pages
[06:03] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: or the core system is just 1
[06:03] <abionnnn_> I don't know what turns people away from CLI
[06:03] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  That just means they allow you to get apps off the CDs instead on online repos
[06:03] <C-O-L-T> and the others are just packages?
[06:03] <Hentai^XP> abionnnn I said I don't like man pages
[06:03] <Hentai^XP> not that I don't like using the CLI
[06:04] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  but, dont you want the most current versions of the apps that your kernel can run??  Those usually arent on the CDs
[06:04] <jariep1_> kkathman, i have everything installed, packages are not broken, where should I start checking php/mysql setup?
[06:04] <Hentai^XP> I think "help" on VMS is a better way
[06:04] <abionnnn_> HEHEHE :) Can't argue with you there!
[06:05] <HeadUp`> yo yo yo all
[06:05] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: all these distros try to lure you with these multiple CDs...big deal...all I need is to install the system, and then have access to the repository right?
[06:05] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: yes you are right, that I want the current versions of all the apps. But the main problem is that in the Linux world in every 3 months there is a new version of any program.
[06:06] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: yes, and you have to be smart about it. One doesnt always migrate to a new release just because a minor version level changes
[06:07] <DeadZed> C-O-L-T please get some basic linux knowledge first
[06:07] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: but, for instance, SUSE10 CD's install KDE 3.4.0 (not 3.4.3 like ubuntu). All those apps on those 5 CDs are all out of date. So really they did me no good (but to someone that didnt know that, its no big deal)
[06:07] <HeadUp`> does someone can help me about kde and a mx510 mouse ?
[06:07] <Hobbsee> that's always seemed odd to me - why would you want all the stuff on cd, when it all gets out of date so quickly?
[06:07] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: the main problem for example with me is that I don't have a so fast net connection, that is why at me there is a problem to update my system
[06:07] <DeadZed> C-O-L-T if you'd put all debian (linux) apps on cd-s ... not repos .. you'd get 100-s of cd-s
[06:07] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  I think it would be very nice to have a CD set of apps but your point is very well taken
[06:08] <Hobbsee> very true
[06:08] <kkathman> and was the point I was making
[06:08] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: well with a CD set you dont solve that problem really, except with an initial load of an app I suppose
[06:09] <HeadUp`> does someone can help me about kde and a mx510 mouse ?
[06:09] <kkathman> but as soon as you upgrade...you are reliant on your net
[06:09] <HeadUp`> does someone can help me about kde and a mx510 mouse ?
[06:09] <C-O-L-T> DeadZed: i see, I would like just the basic ones in 3 cd's included ubuntu too
[06:09] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I know
[06:09] <DeadZed> C-O-L-T download and burn those then
[06:09] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: now I updated my system and evevrything is fine
[06:09] <kkathman> I dont disagree that ubuntu should, at some point, think about having CD sets
[06:09] <DeadZed> or order those debian cd-s
[06:10] <kkathman> DeadZed: yeah how many now...like 1000 ??
[06:10] <kkathman> I exaggerate :)
[06:10] <DeadZed> How do Ubuntu packages differ from debian ones anyway
[06:10] <DeadZed> they prolly dont I think
[06:10] <C-O-L-T> DeadZed: I understadn
[06:10] <kkathman> seriously I think there are like 25 or something
[06:10] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: Anyway I am waiting the new ubuntu / kubuntu release
[06:10] <kkathman> DeadZed: they do differ. you cant mix debian packages with *ubuntu
[06:11] <DeadZed> I have
[06:11] <DeadZed> with great success ... who told you that you cant
[06:11] <kkathman> DeadZed: you have
[06:11] <kkathman> its not a good idea
[06:11] <kkathman> did you get packages or debs ?
[06:11] <kkathman> big difference
[06:12] <larsivi> If the packages don't depend on binary compatibility with others, it usually works, but you never know when they don't
[06:12] <DeadZed> I mix ubuntu, debian, xandros, mepis and other debian distro repositories
[06:12] <kkathman> if you put debian packages in your repos - you WILL break your system eventually
[06:12] <kkathman> but if all you are doing is dl debs and dpkg -i   then thats fine
[06:12] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: have you heard about Thinkfree Office?
[06:12] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: nope
[06:12] <DeadZed> I broke ubuntu  on my test pc actually :)
[06:13] <HeadUp`> i need help
[06:13] <HeadUp`> can somenone answer
[06:13] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: just write to google. Look after it. It looks and feels really like Ms Office 2003 how can be that possible
[06:13] <HeadUp`> brr
[06:13] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: it is made by ms corporation or how?
[06:14] <kkathman> ohhh hmmm M$
[06:14] <kkathman> hehe
[06:14] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: it is really like MS OFFICE, I am using this thinkfree
[06:15] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: cause I have taken the European Computer Driving Licence for ms office,and now I am almost lost in open office. I can not find everything
[06:15] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: so is thinkfree some derivitive of the Office Suite?
[06:15] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I don't know what is it, but it is ms office on the same name
[06:15] <C-O-L-T> on another name
[06:15] <C-O-L-T> under
[06:15] <C-O-L-T> another name
[06:15] <kkathman> ok
[06:16] <DeadZed> HeadUp` what you want
[06:18] <abionnnn_> well ATI's drivers are working
[06:19] <HeadUp`> DeadZed , i need to change my mouse to 800dpi at every boot
[06:19] <abionnnn> funnily enough they will only compile with libstdc++5
[06:19] <abionnnn> funnier still, ubuntu opts not to install it by default ... :P
[06:20] <DeadZed> HeadUp`: what does that mean?
[06:21] <HeadUp`> i got a mx510
[06:22] <HeadUp`> and it's a 800dpi mouse
[06:22] <HeadUp`> in kde
[06:22] <DeadZed> nevermind .. I wouldnt understand :)
[06:22] <HeadUp`> :(
[06:22] <DeadZed> HeadUp`: what about google or linux forums ?
[06:23] <HeadUp`> so foggy :/
[06:24] <larsivi> HeadUp`: I think it is a X setting, but I have no idea where
[06:24] <HeadUp`> not in xorg.conf
[06:24] <larsivi> You could see if your Xorg.conf already has any such settins
[06:25] <larsivi> ah, ok
[06:25] <HeadUp`> it's a low level setting or it was until few month
[06:25] <jariep1_> can somebody help me out troubleshoot why mysql doesn't show up in my phpinfo page, even after i installed it?
[06:26] <DeadZed> jariep1_:  isnt this #mysql question? (though DeadZed isnt a mod here :) )
[06:27] <Hobbsee> DeadZed: you're still pointing to the correct place for where to get information
[06:27] <Hobbsee> hardly like you need mod powers to do that
[06:28] <DexterF> heya
[06:29] <Hobbsee> hi
[06:29] <DexterF> can I upgrade Kubuntu to DF3 like I can upgrade Ubuntu?
[06:30] <kkathman> dexter: if you want to take that risk
[06:30] <DexterF> it's not my production system, so it doesn't matter much
[06:31] <DexterF> its a tinker installation
[06:31] <kkathman> Dapper still is very very rough so unless you intend to aid in development or packaging, it might not be in your best interest because of stability issues.
[06:31] <kkathman> ahh in that case sure
[06:31] <kkathman> put it in a sep partition and go for it
[06:32] <DexterF> i already have 5.10 installed, i only need to adapt sources and go fo rit
[06:33] <DexterF> main reason is im hot for testing X7.0 with r300
[06:34] <Hobbsee> !sources
[06:34] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:34] <kkathman> DexterF yah just change your sources.list to dapper and do an update and dist-upgrade... or create a Dapper F3 disk I guess
[06:35] <DexterF> i bet it'll explode
[06:36] <kkathman> I dont think anything there is flammable
[06:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:36] <Hobbsee> as long as it's not my computer!
[06:37] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  has a habit of defenestrating computers tho
[06:37] <Hobbsee> hehe...
[06:37] <Hobbsee> not my own though
[06:37] <kkathman> true
[06:37] <Hentai^XP> she wants mine dead
[06:37] <Hentai^XP> :(
[06:37] <kkathman> just other people's
[06:37] <Hentai^XP> hmm which reminds me
[06:37] <Hentai^XP> 486
[06:38] <DexterF> you run an antiques shop?
[06:39] <Hentai^XP> um no
[06:39] <Hentai^XP> Its just waiting for a install of xp
[06:39] <weedar> after doing that you should try walking on water, it should be a breeze
[06:40] <Hentai^XP> .....
[06:40] <kkathman> weedar:  you cant imagine the thing Hentai^XP has done :)
[06:40] <weedar> well if the handle has anything to do with it I guess it involves tentacles? :)
[06:41] <weedar> the/his
[06:41] <Hobbsee> exactly
[06:43] <Hentai^XP> what? when?
[06:44] <PupenoL> Hello.
[06:45] <weedar> uh-oh, I followed the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo and thus installed an older java version
[06:49] <chx> i know it's a lame question but... how stable is Dapper? I mean, I know it's just a test version but... alpha quality? beta?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> chx: depends on the day, and what you have installed
[06:50] <JakubS> Riddell: ping
[06:50] <chx> Hobbsee: on the day...?
[06:50] <Riddell> JakubS: hi
[06:50] <JakubS> hello
[06:50] <Riddell> chx: flight-3 is quite usable
[06:51] <Hobbsee> chx: well, on whatever updates are being done - if there's a major lib transition, like there was a couple of months ago, you learn to live without a GUI, or find somethign else to use
[06:51] <JakubS> i think that libnss-mdns should be made dependency for kdnssd-avahi
[06:51] <chx> Riddell: I dunno why, but I lean to believe _you_ in that :P
[06:51] <JakubS> when service on LAN is discovered kdnssd will return hostname.local address and without mdns resolver application won't be able to resolve and use it
[06:51] <Riddell> Package libnss-mdns is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:51] <Riddell> JakubS: what is it ment to be?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> chx: that would be because you can probably find his address fairly easily, and visit with flaming pitchforks if he's pulling your leg about dapper stability :P
[06:52] <JakubS> huh? i just removed and reinstalled it
[06:52] <abionnnn> what's with this: (gnomemeeting:10746): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[06:52] <abionnnn> hong kong isn't supported?? :P
[06:52] <Riddell> JakubS: hang on, I don't have universe, my fault...
[06:53] <JakubS> ups, i guess package from main depending on package from universe is a problem, right?
[06:53] <abionnnn> how do you go about changing your locale in this ubuntu thingy
[06:54] <Riddell> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locale
[06:54] <P3L|C4N0> hi people
[06:54] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: how to make root, cause I can not install crossover office with sudo
[06:55] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  anything you do at root can be done with sudo
[06:55] <kkathman> thats its purpose
[06:55] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: this not believe me
[06:55] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: it has written crossover to me to use root and not sudo
[06:56] <kkathman> !root
[06:56] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[06:56] <abionnnn> Riddell: hardy har har? :P Package `locale' is not installed and no info is available.
[06:57] <Riddell> locales
[06:57] <abionnnn> ah
[06:57] <jariep1__> kkathman, can you take a look at my phpinfo file? http://<IP_ADDRESS>/lucind/info.php
[06:57] <jariep1__> if it helps
[06:58] <jariep1__> not sure why mysql doesn't show up
[06:58] <kkathman> jariep1__:  that comes back Page Not FOund
[06:58] <jariep1__> ok hold on
[06:58] <chx> Hobbsee: that's be pretty hard to do. Scotland is far from here and they do not allow pitchforks on planes these days.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> drive?  and swim?
[06:59] <kkathman> jariep1__: I dunno, the procedure for installing apache2, php and mysql in my admin book is about 15 pages, so anything could have gone wrong :)
[06:59] <jariep1__> oh oops
[06:59] <kkathman> jariep1__: that why I used xampp :)
[06:59] <jariep1__> oh ok
[06:59] <jariep1__> kkathman, can I install xxamp through apt-get?
[07:00] <chx> i wonder http://jriddell.org/ is this the same Riddell ?
[07:00] <kkathman> jariep1__:  no
[07:00] <seashell11> kkathman: What is xampp? because I am trying to get a web server with php sql running here
[07:00] <Hobbsee> chx: i think it is
[07:00] <jariep1__> ok i made a typo on the url
[07:00] <Riddell> JakubS: I've installed libnss-mdns but dig still doesn't resolve weeny.local (where my computer is called weeny)
[07:00] <kkathman> seashell11: http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html
[07:01] <kkathman> thats what I used when I wanted a test server with php/mysql/apache...it worked great for me
[07:01] <kkathman> YMMV
[07:01] <icke> hello; i installed a few programs that should be in the KDe menu, but are not there. I know that there is a program that can search for these programs and add them to the menu, but i forgot what that is called, does anyone here know?
[07:01] <JakubS> hm, i know it does not require avahi for resolving but i guess it needs to be started to announce this name
[07:01] <seashell11> icke: try kappfinder
[07:01] <Riddell> JakubS: I installed avahi-daemon too
[07:02] <jariep1__> kkathman, how do you convert the xampp into a deb ?
[07:02] <kkathman> jariep1__: I dont think you have to
[07:02] <jariep1__> ok
[07:02] <kkathman> if you want to try it
[07:02] <kkathman> remove your other stuff first, I think
[07:02] <jariep1__> ok
[07:03] <kkathman> then go to http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html  and read the instructions..they are very easy
[07:03] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: how to login as root. I need it
[07:03] <kkathman> !root
[07:03] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[07:03] <chx> Hobbsee: well, at least they are close relatives, because their name and phone numbers match :P
[07:03] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:03] <icke> [19:01:53]  <seashell11> icke: try kappfinder <- thanks, that was what i was looking for
[07:04] <JakubS> C-O-L-T: sudo bash
[07:04] <seashell11> C-O-L-T: sudo -i like it says on the link ubotu gave you
[07:04] <JakubS> Riddell: sudo avahi-daemon --debug      confirms that name 'weeny.local' is used?
[07:05] <seashell11> * fully supports kkathman *
[07:05] <Insomnia1-> break the rules, break your system, learn from it (:
[07:06] <kkathman> bingo
[07:06] <kkathman> absolutely, so please go out and totally lunch your system...we need more knowledge :)
[07:06] <JakubS> kkathman: it is kinda hard to write int /sys or /proc files just with sudo
[07:06] <JakubS> s/int/into/
[07:07] <Riddell> JakubS: ooh, it does work
[07:07] <Riddell> JakubS: just not with dig
[07:07] <kkathman> JakubS: yah well if yer doing that, you probably can be trusted with a root too...most people cant :)
[07:08] <JakubS> hey, i even trusted my younger sister with root password :-)
[07:08] <abionnnn> hmmm I think my locale is seriously screwed up
[07:08] <abionnnn> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[07:08] <abattoir> hello...
[07:08] <abattoir> i am having problems with wireless connections
[07:08] <Hobbsee> JakubS: you're very brave then!
[07:08] <kkathman> hello abattoir :)
[07:09] <abattoir> i had breezy, upgraded to dapper
[07:09] <abattoir> hello kkathman
[07:09] <JakubS> Hobbsee: nah, i just setup her second box and told to do what she wants with it - just to not expect me to fix her mess afterwards :-)
[07:09] <halibut> Is there something like a CVS program but for videos? (.avi file)
[07:09] <Hobbsee> with wireless?  dont look at me - i dont deal in wireless connections!
[07:10] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[07:10] <JakubS> very effective restraint
[07:10] <Hobbsee> abattoir: what's the name of the wireless protocol?  like ethernet is eth0?
[07:10] <abattoir> wlan0
[07:10] <kkathman> awww Hobbsee and I thought we connected SO well :(
[07:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:10] <seashell11> Hobbsee: or ath0
[07:10] <Hobbsee> abattoir: ok, i might know the solution to this
[07:11] <Hobbsee> in /etc/network/interfaces, make sure there's a line in there that says auto wlan0
[07:11] <Hobbsee> if that doesnt work when you reboot, replace wlan0 that you just put in with ath0
[07:11] <abattoir> Hobbsee: that fixes the startup issue rite?
[07:12] <Hobbsee> if you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file, i can probably tell you where to put it, and which it is
[07:12] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:12] <abattoir> but the connection is a bit erratic...
[07:12] <Hobbsee> kkathman: you were right, i probably can fix this one lol - same trouble with eth0 connections
[07:12] <abattoir> i mean, it connects to the network, but i cant see the ip address
[07:12] <kkathman> yah see I knew you were the ONE  (call her Neo)
[07:13] <abattoir> works fine on my Mandriva 64bit though
[07:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:13] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's something that seems to get screwed up in dapper, for some warped reason
[07:14] <kkathman> abattoir: funny about that, recently there were several 5.10 updates through Adept that killed DHCP - I never have figured that one out :(
[07:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi guys, i am trying to install matlab on linux. i had success but it crashes VERY OFTEN
[07:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> [19:12]  <Tallia1Kubuntu> at this page: http://www.me.ucsb.edu/~moehlis/ME17/matlab_home.html there's the message that i got
[07:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> [19:12]  <Tallia1Kubuntu> the guide tells me that i can ignore it but when that error happens my matlab crashes..
[07:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> [19:13]  --> azhax has joined this channel<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> [19:13]  <Tallia1Kubuntu> is that an X error and is there a way to set a "continue on errors" instead of "exit on errors"?
[07:14] <kkathman> my same box and network utilizes DHCP fine under SuSE tho
[07:14] <abattoir> kkathman: but it didnt work well with breeze either
[07:14] <kkathman> Tallia1Kubuntu: PLEASE use the pastbin!
[07:14] <abattoir> i meant breezy... sorry
[07:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sorry, i didn't want to write it again. :)
[07:15] <Hobbsee> ah, well if it didnt work with breezy, it probably wasnt that
[07:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> can you see my question?
[07:15] <leafw> how can one know which runlevel is currently in use ?
[07:16] <kkathman> leafw check your dmesg that should tell you
[07:16] <leafw> thanks
[07:16] <kkathman> but I'd wager if you are KDE its run level 2
[07:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kkathman: ? :)
[07:16] <leafw> I'm in kde
[07:16] <kkathman> Tallia1Kubuntu: ?
[07:17] <jariep1__> kkathman, can I use checkinstall with xampp, where can i go to read how?
[07:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kkathman: is there a way to change the behaviour on error?
[07:17] <leafw> I haven't reboot in months, the dmesg log doesn't start with a booting log sequence
[07:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in case of error*
[07:17] <leafw> kkathman: is there any other way?
[07:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> or i have to find another matlab installer?
[07:18] <kkathman> jariep1__: sigh you dont really need to make a deb or checkinstall :)
[07:18] <abattoir> Hobbsee: I checked /etc/network/interfaces.... it does have 'auto wlan0'... it also has 'wireless-essid NETGEAR', i assume, that this means at startup it always tries to connect to NETGEAR.. right?
[07:18] <kkathman> leafw:  lemme check something
[07:18] <jariep1__> kkathman, only thing is if i install xampp, i won't be able to remove it, if i want to upgrade or change something
[07:18] <Hobbsee> abattoir: probably
[07:19] <abattoir> have any idea if i can also put in encryption details?
[07:20] <kkathman> leafw: type    runlevel at your console and see if that works
[07:20] <bryan> anyone here have any opinions on fedora?
[07:21] <leafw> kkathman: thanks, it did.
[07:21] <leafw> kkathman: you were right: kde runs on level 2
[07:21] <leafw> it's time to mess with runlevels and disable all the stuff I don't use (bluetooth, what not)
[07:22] <kkathman> bryan: what are you looking for in a distro?
[07:23] <bryan> a stable desktop os that is going to run the latest opensource software
[07:23] <seashell11> bryan: then ubuntu has it
[07:23] <kkathman> bryan: most of the major Linux distros work well and will fit that criteria, most will boot out of the box, and run OSS.
[07:23] <kkathman> its really a matter of preference, bryan
[07:24] <bryan> what are the differences between fedora and ubuntu? (besides obvious..)
[07:24] <kkathman> ubuntu probably is one of the easiest to install and get on line with, and hands down has the best user community
[07:24] <kkathman> bryan: mostly package management
[07:25] <bryan> ok, i'm runnign ubuntu now, and i have found the package management to be excellent
[07:25] <kkathman> bryan: Fedora is basically RedHat, so it uses the RPM system of package management, whereas ubuntu follows the Debian way and uses APT_GET
[07:25] <ROBOd> hello
[07:25] <bryan> one thing i noticed was that i can install the RPM package management
[07:25] <ROBOd> i have ubuntu 5.10
[07:25] <bryan> is that generally a good thing to do on a ubuntu distro?
[07:25] <ROBOd> and i want to try out kubuntu and i want to see kde 3.5
[07:26] <ROBOd> i've installed the meta-package KDE
[07:26] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[07:26] <ubotu> it has been said that kde3.5 is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[07:26] <ROBOd> i didn't know about kubuntu-desktop
[07:26] <seashell11> bryan: it would be better to try alien
[07:26] <ROBOd> now ... why I didn't get kde 3.5?
[07:26] <ROBOd> i have kde 3.4 only
[07:26] <bryan> what package types can alien handle?
[07:26] <ROBOd> and i enabled all repositories
[07:26] <Hobbsee> ROBOd: because it was released after feature freeze
[07:27] <Hobbsee> !tell ROBOd about kde3.5
[07:27] <seashell11> ubotu tell bryan about alien
[07:28] <ROBOd> thanks
[07:28] <bryan> i just read a short description of alien... so it will basically allow me to convert rpm files, etc into debian packages?
[07:28] <ROBOd> is it safe to add that source and install kde 3.5 from that? on my ubuntu 5.10
[07:28] <leafw> what is lvm ?
[07:28] <ROBOd> will it nicely upgrade my kde 3.4 or i have to remove it first?
[07:30] <seashell11> bryan: yes you can install rpms with alien though it is better to install the .deb version if you can find one
[07:30] <kkathman> ROBOd:  it will upgrade...just be sure to follow the examples exactly
[07:31] <ROBOd> follow which examples? ...
[07:31] <ROBOd> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[07:31] <ROBOd> there's only a line to add ... and pick kubuntu-desktop for installation from synaptic
[07:32] <ROBOd> i'll also add the signatures
[07:32] <jariep1__> does checkinstall only work for sources or can it be used with binaries?
[07:34] <DexterF> well, if there's a Makefile that just copies binaries, checkinstall could handl eit
[07:34] <bryan> is there a way to get a package set for ubuntu that contains an updated version of each package?
[07:34] <DexterF> after all, it "just" makes a protocol of make install or whatever command calls installation
[07:35] <Hobbsee> jariep1__: why would you want to use checkinstall on a binary?
[07:35] <bryan> for example, i just installed ubuntu, but the version of firefox it ccomes with is 1.07... way too old for this guy
[07:35] <jariep1__> oops, ok am learning
[07:35] <DexterF> bryan: get familiar with synaptic
[07:36] <DexterF> or aptitude
[07:39] <bryan> synaptic still only shows firefox 1.07 as the latest version
[07:40] <yellowdart> bryan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:41] <bryan> thanks, that's just what i needed
[07:41] <hawking> how can i find out what program is blocking the sound?
[07:41] <hawking> I mean the others give busy message
[07:43] <yellowdart> bryan: here's a lot more docs like that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[07:44] <cerbero> i want to download kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso using jigdo so i need the URL of the mirror
[07:44] <apokryphos> cerbero: go to the download page for it, then
[07:44] <jariep1__> is there a facility for removing xampp easily, since it's a tarball?
[07:46] <triode> hello. Where can I find information on setting up a home network for file/printer sharing? (I'm using Kubuntu 5.10 on all computers of the network but would also like to add windowsxp computers to the network)
[07:47] <Hobbsee> !samba
[07:47] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[07:48] <Hobbsee> triode: ^
[07:48] <triode> thanks! (noob here!)
[07:48] <Riddell> JakubS: it's waiting to be reviewed https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportLibnssMdns
[07:48] <Riddell> JakubS: I'll add it to the kubuntu seed
[07:51] <halibut> I have a ubuntu install CD, can I install kubuntu with this?
[07:51] <iantec> why cant i be a su? italways says conversation with su failed
[07:51] <seashell11> halibut: yes, do a server install and then install kubuntu-desktop after it is running
[07:52] <seashell11> ubotu tell iantec about root
[07:52] <halibut> seashell11, will that definitely work exactly as a kubuntu install?
[07:52] <halibut> Could I just do a normal install and then remove gnome afterwards?
[07:53] <iantec> i mean i cant even run synaptic
[07:53] <Hobbsee> you could, but it's probably quicker to do a server install, with kubuntu-desktop
[07:53] <halibut> I am not so good with apt so I dont want to have to install kubuntu-desktop from the CL
[07:53] <iantec> but before i was able to run it
[07:53] <Hobbsee> iantec: yes, because you had gnome desktop on there
[07:53] <seashell11> halibut: if you don't want gnome doing a server install and then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will do what you want
[07:53] <iantec> so i need to go back to gnome? is that it?
[07:53] <Hobbsee> iantec: all you'd have to do, is do the server install, then when it all finishes, go "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" hit enter, wait, then login
[07:54] <seashell11> it will be exactly the same as a kubuntu cd would install it
[07:54] <iantec> i already have kubuntu....i switched from gnom,e to kde using synaptic but now i cant use synaptic
[07:54] <halibut> ok
[07:55] <leafw> how can one reboot into a particular runlevel, or have the booting sequence stop to ask the user whcich runlevel to run after the rdS ?
[07:56] <yellowdart> iantec: what is your problem exactly? not enough permissions or does synaptic not load at all?
[07:56] <Gentix> I've got some nvidia crap problems:
[07:56] <Gentix> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:56] <Gentix> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[07:57] <Gentix> this happend after i tried to install the latest drivers from nvidia.com I got problems with those and so reinstalled ubuntu's version drivers
[07:57] <Gentix> now i get that error
[08:01] <Gentix> I've got some nvidia crap problems:
[08:01] <Gentix> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:01] <Gentix> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[08:02] <Gentix> this happend after i tried to install the latest drivers from nvidia.com I got problems with those and so reinstalled ubuntu's version drivers
[08:02] <Gentix> now i get that error
[08:03] <seashell11> hmm.... maybe if Gentix would wash the crap off his video card it would help? :-D
[08:03] <iantec> for some reason root has been blocked since ive been trying to access it
[08:04] <Chousuke> iantec: are you using sudo?
[08:04] <seashell11> iantec did you try: kdesu synaptic
[08:05] <iantec> no....where can i find that sorry im real new and really confused...
[08:05] <Hobbsee> iantec: alt+f2
[08:06] <iantec> conversation failed with su
[08:06] <leafw> how can one reboot into a particular runlevel, or have the booting sequence stop to ask the user whcich runlevel to run after the rdS ?
[08:07] <yellowdart> iantec: you should be able to run 'sudo synaptic' from a terminal
[08:08] <jariep1__> ok, I want to install xampp, but xaqmpp comes with phpmyadmin, so I am having a bug which won't let me uninstall phpmyadmin... how do i remove it from the system so I can install XAMPP?
[08:08] <jariep1__> so it doesn't show up in apt?
[08:08] <yellowdart> iantec: or kdesu like seashell11 says
[08:09] <jariep1__> if I remove phpmyadmin manually, will it still show up in adept?
[08:09] <iantec> but im not really good at terminals i mean its really frustrating,,,, ive been reading a lot but still i cant perform such simple task... oh i guess i just have to learn more
[08:10] <yellowdart> iantec: ok...try this...browse to Synaptic on your K menu...right click and select "edit item"
[08:10] <seashell11> iantec press alt+f2 and then enter in kdesu synaptic
[08:11] <iantec> yes i did that alreadt seashell.... an error message showed up and said conversation failed with su
[08:11] <yellowdart> iantec: check the box "run as different user" leave it empt and save
[08:11] <seashell11> iantech try yellowdart 's way
[08:12] <yellowdart> then try to run from the menu and it should ask for a password
[08:14] <iantec> what do you mean?
[08:15] <yellowdart> iantec: i'll walk you through it
[08:15] <iantec> k
[08:15] <yellowdart> iantec: go to "synaptic" in your menu...right-click and select "edit item"
[08:16] <iantec> ok
[08:16] <yellowdart> iantec: a window should come up with all your menu items
[08:16] <iantec> yes im there now
[08:16] <yellowdart> iantec: check the box on the lower right that says "run as different user"
[08:16] <iantec> yes it is marked with an x
[08:16] <yellowdart> iantec: leave the fields empty and save
[08:17] <iantec> ok
[08:17] <yellowdart> try to run synaptic from the menu now...that should work
[08:18] <yellowdart> iantec: if not..i suggest installing kpackage
[08:18] <yellowdart> iantec: and doing the same steps to "run as different user"
[08:19] <seashell11> iantec: try gksudo synaptic
[08:19] <iantec> sorry kde su
[08:20] <iantec> cvonversation with kde failed
[08:20] <iantec> well anyway thanks for the hel i guess i messed my os up
[08:20] <iantec> il just get a fresh install tom
[08:21] <yellowdart> iantec: can you still access synaptic from gnome?
[08:21] <seashell11> hope you get it working iantec :-)
[08:24] <iantec> it wont work either
[08:28] <sampan> iantec, can you try: sudo adept-updater ... after a fresh breezy install, i had those same 'conversation with su' errors until i updated my system
[08:29] <sampan> (actually it was changing my timezone that initiated it, but then i couldn't run anything with kdesu ... i think it all was a part of that admin mode bug b/c the same updates that fixed the admin mode bug fixed kdesu/clock/adept errors for me)
[08:30] <nunnu> hi
[08:30] <nunnu> doesn't kubuntu have something like synaptic??
[08:30] <HeadUp`> et.merc
[08:34] <HeadUp`> et.merc
[08:34] <trappist> nunnu: it has synaptic
[08:38] <nunnu> i just installed kubuntu and I can't find synaptic nor kynaptic
[08:40] <HeadUp`> !test!
[08:40] <ubotu> Crashed.
[08:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:40] <Hobbsee> !test
[08:40] <ubotu> Stop poking me!
[08:41] <Hobbsee> !no
[08:41] <ubotu> Ahh, too bad, I really thought so...
[08:41] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[08:41] <nunnu> !test
[08:41] <nunnu> irw
[08:41] <nunnu> naljakas
[08:41] <kkathman> !botsnack
[08:41] <ubotu> thanks kkathman :)
[08:42] <ArthurB> Hi, is anyone successfully running stunnel4 here ?
[08:43] <HeadUp`> jOr et.merc
[08:57] <angasule> my font sizes seem to be screwed up, what could be changing the font sizes? is there a delta for that?
[09:02] <tech9iner> moin kMateyzzzz ;]
[09:03] <kkathman> hey tech9iner :)
[09:03] <kkathman> oooo late!
[09:04] <tech9iner> sardonically hilARIOUS lol.. Patch this! Musings on Microsoft's Windows patching.. http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7350372195.html
[09:05] <tech9iner> albeit sad for unreasonably prevalent windBLOWz users / dependents ;[..
[09:08] <galorin> I'm on kubuntu breezy, setting up a HTPC.  How do I set up the system to do suspend to ram, and suspend to disk
[09:08] <galorin> ?
[09:13] <Mias> hi
[09:15] <Mias> my kubuntu 5.10 installer hangs on tzconfig and user- config, what can I do?
[09:16] <Mias> freshly burned on cd
[09:17] <tech9iner> sadly.. personal exper my end impels me to reburn AFTER confirming iso downloaded's checksum matches Mias ;[..
[09:18] <Mias> tech9iner: I don't understand (no native english speaker)
[09:18] <tech9iner> also.. depending on your burner hardware and cd-r / cd-rw media quality Mias .. on occasion i was forced to manually slow down burn speeds to help assure resulting file integrity
[09:18] <tech9iner> sorry Mias .. 1. make sure checksum matches on downloaded iso
[09:19] <tech9iner> Mias: if checksum is good.. then try reburning to media at slower burn speeds than auto configs
[09:19] <Mias> tech9iner: I never had problems with burning with 8x, but maybe thats it
[09:19] <tech9iner> and checksum confirms Mias ?
[09:19] <Mias> tech9iner: ok *checking*
[09:21] <Mias> shouldn't it be possible to boot from this image directly, btw? with lilo and mkisofs?
[09:24] <Mias> md5sum DL/kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso gives me the correct md5sum
[09:29] <abionnnn> heh kubuntu's libsdl package doesn't have all the headers :P
[09:29] <abionnnn> (SDL_image.h for one...)
[09:30] <pv_> abionnnn, it is not a part of the SDL library
[09:30] <pv_> try libsdl-image1.2-dev
[09:31] <abionnnn> cool ta
[09:42] <Mias> tech9iner: is there no other solution?
[09:42] <Mias> hi Zappa :) some friends use to call me so
[09:43] <tech9iner> Mias: have you now reburned slower speeds yet? my last idea here guv.. good luck
[09:43] <Mias> tech9iner: no, not yet.. guv?
[09:43] <Mias> b4??
[09:44] <tech9iner> Mias: guv as in 'guv'ner' uk slang for 'dude' rofl
[09:44] <tech9iner> b4 = before Mias sorry chap
[09:44] <Mias> tech9iner: hehe
[09:44] <tech9iner> no native language kubuntu irc channel i take it eh Mias ;]
[09:45] <tech9iner> oh and btw Mias .. perhaps a class or two in beginner YODA SPEAK would help in your attempts to communicate w dumkopf tech9iner? rofl
[09:46] <seashell11> !run
[09:46] <Mias> yoda? err
[09:46] <Mias> tech9iner: shouldn't it be possible to boot from this image directly, btw? with lilo and mkisofs?
[09:46] <tech9iner> 'b4' you ask Mias rofl.. Yoda is character in starwars triligy rofl
[09:47] <Mias> ah I c.. we had a politician here called Yagoda..
[09:47] <tech9iner> Mias bad source for such booting questions here chum.. never tried this end ;] .. either install via iso burned discs or http/ftp network isntalls my only experience / kb here mate
[09:48] <tech9iner> kb = knowledge base btw Mias rofl
[09:49] <tech9iner> which reminds me Mias .. letsee if this translates / parsable your end mate.. difference tween cowboy boots and politician's cowboy boots?..
[09:49] <tech9iner> Mias: the cowboy boots have the sh!t on the outside! ;] ] ]
[09:49] <Mias> rofl
[09:50] <seashell11> tech9iner: that jokes getting kinda old by now lol :-)
[09:50] <tech9iner> granted.. but i had new blood so sue me rofl
[09:51] <tech9iner> know how politicians are similar to baby diapers then seashell11 ? hummmmm?? /me holds freshly baited carrot just outta reach of seashell11 rofl
[09:52] <seashell11> tech9iner: maybe they both got shit on the inside?
[09:52] <tech9iner> close but no cigar.. hehe
[09:52] <tech9iner> both need frequent and rapid changes.. for the same reasons!! yuk yuk har har
[09:52] <jasonk> Ok guys, I have a stumper for you :)
[09:53] <jasonk> whenevr I vi a file as my own user, when I go to quit vi, I get a kernel panic
[09:53] <jasonk> this only happens with vi, no toher utilities writing any other file
[09:53] <jasonk> and only happens if I am my own user, not root
[09:53] <jasonk> I tried deleting my ~/.vimrc wholesale, that did not fix the problem
[09:53] <jasonk> Anyone seen this weird behaviour in breezy?
[09:53] <tech9iner> tx 4 biting btw fwiw seashell11 lol
[09:53] <jasonk> (I know it makes no sense)
[09:54] <seashell11> jasonk: yea you right you got me stumped
[09:54] <seashell11> tech9iner: :-P lol yea sure
[09:54] <jasonk> seashell: Yeah I have never seen anyhing like this before
[09:55] <jasonk> the kernel panic is sometimes in the XFS subsystem, sometimes in the ReiserFS subsystem, thats the weird part
[09:55] <jasonk> my /home is reiserfs, my / is XFS
[09:55] <jasonk> so I can't figure out what it is tryig to write to when it flips out
[09:55] <jasonk> I think I must have some corrupted inode somewhere
[09:56] <tech9iner> ciao4now mateyzzzz.. make much moolah.. then share!! ;] ] ]
[10:05] <kosh> what verison? what has it done?
[10:05] <kosh> I know I have lost data to reiserfs v3 and that is why I switched to xfs or at least part of the reason
[10:05] <LeeJunFan> I gave up on it years ago. Just replying to someone elses issues.
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> The new benchmarks show it's about the slowes journaling FS out there now anyway, I figured they fixed the bugs and that was the result.
[10:07] <kosh> the benchmarks are bs to begin with
[10:07] <kosh> there are a lot of reasons to knock reiserfs but those benchmarks are not among them
[10:07] <LeeJunFan> owell, I don't care to have my files mixed together.
[10:08] <LeeJunFan> I've had many times with reiser where things got mixed like finding part of my X config in my sendmail.cf or some such thing.
[10:08] <kosh> that is why I stopped using it
[10:09] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I didn't want to wait until mkfs got mixed in with my kernel. :)
[10:10] <kosh> I didn't want my databases to get screwed up :)
[10:10] <kosh> screw the kernel I can download that again
[10:11] <LeeJunFan> yeah, and peoples mail getting mixed together is fun too. I didn't have any databases at the time, thank god.
[10:11] <LeeJunFan> passwd getting fragged is also fun, but easy to recover from backup.
[10:12] <kosh> the problem is that while restoring a multi gb db from backup is not that hard it is a pain in the neck
[10:12] <jorik> are there any packages i can download to translate text from dutch to english n back ?
[10:13] <kosh> however some data can not always be saved since you don't do continuous backups
[10:13] <kosh> jorik: why not use one of the online translator systems?
[10:13] <LeeJunFan> right, and reiser with raid was even more likely to cause corruption.
[10:15] <jorik> kosh thats what i do now, but i was wondering if there were packages for it, so i can automise stuff (i know i could write a wget wrapper for the site)
[10:19] <robotgeek> hey Riddell , got the dapper kubuntu flight 3 yesterday. will try it out
[10:20] <Riddell> cool
[10:20] <robotgeek> two machines on ppc. laptops, mayeb i can make  a laptop testing report. or is it too early?
[10:21] <seashell11> Riddell: is it changed any from right when you first said something about it on here? if I downloaded again is there a chance it would work?
[10:21] <Zappa> is there not a firefox 1.5 package yet? i can only see 1.0.7
[10:22] <seashell11> !firefox1.5
[10:22] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[10:22] <Riddell> seashell11: it's the same
[10:23] <seashell11> ok, I guess no work on my computer then, I could install breezy and upgrade though I guess
[10:23] <sampan> zappa: if you want a good explanation why there won't ever be a firefox 1.5 repo (not even backport) for breezy, see http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20051212   -- enlightening for me at least
[10:23] <Skoll> hello, any can help?
[10:24] <Skoll> I'm trying to copy the files from ntfs partition to my home
[10:24] <Skoll> and... I can't do it
[10:24] <Skoll> :S
[10:25] <kosh> hmm some of the things on that page do not seem accurate
[10:25] <kosh> like firefox being the html rendering library that a majority of linux desktop apps use
[10:26] <kosh> it seems a fairly gnome centric view
[10:27] <Zappa> sampan: ah i see
[10:27] <sampan> kosh, perhaps overstated ... i'm not an expert by any means, but i found it interesting to hear how embedded something as simple as a "browser" could be
[10:27] <sampan> i have no idea if it even pertains to kde though
[10:27] <sampan> if not, then it's a shame that the gnome-ubuntu side holds back an improvement for kde-kubuntu :/
[10:28] <kkathman> hey sampan how are you today?
[10:28] <kosh> sampan: khtml in embedded in many places with no issues at all that I have ever seen
[10:28] <kosh> sampan: however kde has a better embedding system
[10:28] <sampan> hey kkathman :)  i'm doing well -- just returned from an hour long hike (birdwatching/exercise) with the wife.  how're you?
[10:29] <sampan> kosh, so he's just blowing smoke?  O_O
[10:30] <kosh> sampan: for gnome it is probably true that the gecko rendering engine is the most often embedded and that firefox is the source that people get that engine from and that the gnome embedding technologies need a lot of work
[10:31] <kosh> sampan: there is a reason that very little seems to be reused in gnome
[10:31] <sampan> gotcha -- so it -is- a shame that a gnome-ubuntu side holds back the kde-kubuntu side
[10:31] <sampan> no repo b/c it's bad for gnome, but would be fine for kde :/
[10:33] <kosh> yeah it would probably break gnome stuff and be fine for kde
[10:33] <kkathman> sampan:  Im fine thanks, sounds like fun!!
[10:33] <kosh> but that is also because nothing in kde depends on anything in firefox
[10:33] <kosh> since khtml is the default renderer
[10:33] <kosh> however in my experience khtml is also a better renderer especially if you are a developer
[10:34] <sampan> kosh, thanks for clearing it up for me.  i tend not to use konq too much for surfing since it renders pages poorly (even KDE help pages are all screwed up with text overlapping, graphics blocks running into text, etc.)
[10:35] <sampan> i've heard, many times, that it's not konq's fault, but just poor html coding -- but then i have to stop and wonder: why does KDE's own website and help pages have such poor html?  kinda makes me ponder
[10:36] <kosh> sampan: hmm I have not seen that issue
[10:36] <kosh> sampan: what on kdes website have you seen that?
[10:37] <sampan> kosh, virtually every help page ... happened on hoary and breezy -- and i've left pretty much all the settings at default
[10:38] <kosh> sampan: I certainly don't see any, until very recently I have been using debian sid but I have been using kde since 1.0
[10:38] <kosh> sampan: an exact url that shows a problem would be useful
[10:40] <sampan> yeah, well i don't tend to bookmark things just b/c it doesn't render well ... next time i run into one i'll make sure to save it :)  i do know it happened to me twice yesterday though -- 2 of the 3 pages on kde help that i looked at :X
[10:40] <mth`MAW> Hi
[10:42] <sampan> kosh: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/extragear-multimedia/k3b/audiocdcdreating.html
[10:43] <sampan> that page has the "prev" and "next" bars running right through graphics -- i'll post a screen shot too
[10:43] <kosh> hmm I don't see it that way at all
[10:44] <nalioth> sampan: kosh: what browsers are y'all using?
[10:44] <sampan> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7284
[10:44] <kosh> nalioth: konqueror from kde 3.5 however I can test it on a kde 3.4 konq and on firefox 1.0 something also
[10:44] <sampan> nalioth  konq -- just showing kosh some of the rendering that it seems to goof up on (for me)
[10:45] <sampan> that's a pretty typical example -- not every page on kde help is like that -- but enough are that it makes me end out just using firefox
[10:46] <kosh> sampan: what version of kde are you running?
[10:46] <sampan> 3.4.3
[10:47] <sampan> it's not the sort of thing that's critical for me, just kinda weird
[10:48] <kosh> I can't replicate that
[10:48] <sampan> lol -- it's my usual curse -- if there's a way to somehow muck it up, i'll find it
[10:49] <nalioth> kosh: well, the different vintages and rendering engines show things differently
[10:50] <kosh> html rendering is a major pain in the neck but this problem I can't replicate
[10:51] <larsivi> nalioth: khtml (the html engine in konqueror) is considered the most standardsconforming browser
[10:51] <kosh> well at least with 3.5 it is the most conformant, under 3.4 it was darn close though
[10:52] <nalioth> larsivi: yes, but gecko is coming up fast
[10:52] <larsivi> nalioth: I wouldn't know, apple is pushing quite a lot of goodies into khtml through safari
[10:53] <sampan> the real question though is when are all the big websites going to actually CARE about following the standards?  standards are great, except if major sites continue to not give a hoot :/
[10:53] <larsivi> sampan: true
[10:53] <larsivi> the problem as always is IE
[10:54] <kosh> ie 7 is trying to be more standards compliant though
[10:55] <kosh> not out of goodness of their heart though
[10:55] <kosh> but the odds are that it is going to break things for older ie browsers
[10:56] <nalioth> kosh: are you alright? i just saw the most abominable stuff come out of your mouth
[10:58] <Skoll> hello, I have a problem
[10:58] <seashell11> !helpme
[10:58] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[10:58] <kosh> 42
[10:58] <Skoll> I don't have sound, normally I use alsaconf to configure my sound car
[10:59] <Skoll> the problem is that in ubuntu I don't have this command
[10:59] <Skoll> is there any option?
[10:59] <Zappa> how would i format an SD memory card? (attached on /dev/sde)
[11:00] <ArthurB> cfdisk /dev/sde
[11:01] <DHGE> Zappa: man mkfs   - i would use vfat: common, useful for swapping data between OSs and platforms
[11:01] <mac_> is anyone else missing a "focus rectangle" when drag'n'dropping stuff on the KDE desktop?
[11:01] <kosh> Skoll: try sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[11:01] <Skoll> kosh, alsa-utils instaled
[11:01] <mac_> apparently there is supposed to be a dotted/colored rectangle around the "target" under the dragging cursor, but I have none... wondering if it's just my setup or Kubuntu thing...
[11:02] <kosh> Skoll: hmm alsaconf is part of alsa-utils and it is in /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[11:03] <kosh> Skoll: however it is probably root only to run
[11:03] <Skoll>  sudo alsaconf
[11:03] <Skoll> Password:
[11:03] <Skoll> sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[11:03] <Skoll> this is the problem
[11:03] <kosh> sampan: even strange I tried it on a kde 3.4.3 on debian sid and could not replicate that problem there either
[11:04] <Keyseir> is there an emulator that allows you to run macintosh software on linux? Like Wine does for windows?
[11:04] <kosh> try sudo /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[11:04] <Skoll> with alsa-utils alsaconf doesn't install
[11:04] <Skoll> sudo /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[11:04] <Skoll> sudo: /usr/sbin/alsaconf: command not found
[11:04] <Skoll> the smae
[11:04] <kosh> hmm
[11:04] <Skoll> same
[11:04] <Skoll> sorry
[11:04] <Skoll> kosh, my problem is that I'd like use a sound blaster
[11:05] <Skoll> but alsa takes my integrated sound card
[11:05] <kosh> it should probably configure all of your cards
[11:05] <Skoll> surely, but I don't have option to change the sound card
[11:08] <kosh> Skoll: well I know where the problem is now, I switched from debian sid to kubuntu and I still have the alsa stuff from sid and that one has alsaconf
[11:08] <kosh> Skoll: no idea why the kubuntu one does not though still trying to figure that out
[11:08] <Skoll> ok
[11:09] <Skoll> thanks
[11:09] <Skoll> :S
[11:09] <sampan> kosh, thanks for trying :)  i'm not sure why i would be the only one experiencing it.  must be something i do or have done, but i'm pretty sure i've left konq pretty much configured default
[11:09] <Owner> howdy folks, anyone around to answer a question about installing kubuntu?
[11:10] <sampan> kosh, it's really strange though.  if i reload that page, it's still messed up, but messed up differently than the previous time: now no blue bars running across the image, but text still does
[11:10] <sampan> absolutely weird
[11:11] <seashell11> owner: you do not have to ask to ask, just ask
[11:11] <Owner> When I am installing kubuntu, it hangs up after displaying "unlink iqc"
[11:11] <DHGE> Owner: which version of Kubuntu? machine type?
[11:12] <seashell11> owner: how far into the install does it get before crashing?
[11:12] <Owner> amd 64 newest version
[11:12] <DHGE> did you try the Live-CD?
[11:12] <Owner> yah, does same thing
[11:13] <Owner> it get's about ten seconds in
[11:14] <Owner> to something like "unlink IQC on no IQC, probibly wrong....something"
[11:14] <DHGE> Owner: which version of Kubuntu? (breezy, dapper flight x)
[11:14] <mac_> can anyone tell me how to properly build a KDE Help Center Search Index in Kubuntu?  Seems I need "htdig" installed, but still no good... claims it only found one handbook...
[11:15] <Owner> 5.10 dvd
[11:15] <Owner> for amd 64 machine
[11:16] <seashell11> owner: did you try the CD? are the md5sums right for the iso file you do have downloaded?
[11:16] <DHGE> Owner: 5.10 works here (ASUS A8V, SATA was no fun) try KANOTIX 64 instead - worked better here
[11:16] <Owner> I don't know how to check the md5 sum
[11:16] <DHGE> or try some options like noapic ...
[11:16] <kosh> Skoll: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1680
[11:17] <DHGE> konsole, then md5sum kubun...iso  and compare the sum with the contents of the textfile on website
[11:18] <kosh> sampan: I don't even know what setting you could change that would break that
[11:18] <Owner> hah, I don't have linux installed yet :)
[11:18] <DHGE> or CTRL-ALT-F4 to see the debug output during install ...
[11:18] <sampan> kosh, lol ... me either.  :)  but, i'm good at breaking the unbreakable
[11:19] <seashell11> owner are you on linux or windows or what?
[11:19] <Owner> windows
[11:19] <DHGE> http://www.google.de/search?q=md5sum+win32&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[11:19] <kosh> sampan: the most likely thing I see that breaks things are when people set a minimum font size, that can break things but it won't cause the problem you are seeing
[11:19] <Skoll> I see kosh thanks
[11:20] <seashell11> http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/md5.php
[11:20] <seashell11> owner try that website
[11:20] <Owner> ok
[11:21] <sampan> kosh, *nod*  well like i said, i'm not overly broken up about it -- firefox works well and the error in konq isn't critical so i just usually ignore it
[11:23] <kosh> sampan: you should consider exorcism ;)
[11:23] <DHGE> mac_: apt-cache search kde|grep doc    (from universe)
[11:23] <seashell11> owner: download the md5sum.exe then run command md5sum.exe <path to .iso file>
[11:23] <sampan> kosh, lol -- that's what getting rid of windows was!
[11:23] <Owner> oh, I was doing it wrong, thanks
[11:24] <Owner> it just flashed a command prompt box and dissapeared
[11:25] <DHGE> Owner: cmd  and then type ...
[11:26] <Owner> k, it is working now, thanks
[11:27] <Owner> showing a lot of "failed to open"'s and is really slow
[11:27] <Owner> wow
[11:28] <mac_> DHGE, as far as I can tell, I *do* have the application manuals installed, it's just that the build process is not finding them...
[11:28] <DHGE> weird...
[11:28] <Owner> md5sum.exe: WARNING: 4459 of 4459 listed files could not be read
[11:28] <Owner> :D
[11:28] <DHGE> konsole, then md5sum kubun...iso  and compare the sum with the contents of the textfile on website
[11:30] <Owner> Hold on a sec, I think I forgot to delete the remnents of the iso that I stopped downloading and burned it, thinking it was the good one.
[11:31] <Owner> nm, not true
[11:31] <DHGE> Owner: try to let some konsole wizard show you some tricks: tab-completion, copying with mouse ...
[11:32] <Owner> i know those :)
[11:32] <galorin> I'm trying to get sleep states working on my PC.  It goes down fine, but doesn't come up fine.  I'm not sure what's locking up, etc.  Kind of at sea with these
[11:32] <DHGE> galorin: much to read in /var/log ;-)
[11:33] <Owner> where is the md4sum on the kubuntu website?
[11:33] <Owner> I don't see it
[11:34] <Owner> nm
[11:34] <DHGE> http://www.google.de/search?q=md5sum+kubuntu+breezy&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[11:34] <DHGE> where did u dl the iso? there it is...
[11:35] <DHGE> first line on page...
[11:36] <Zappa> has anyone else installed the arts engine for amaroK package? it's not appearing in the dropdown in amaroK
[11:38] <Owner> no use, can't get a md5sum cause it can't read the iso
[11:38] <DHGE> Zappa: i use gstreamer - recomandation of the amaroks devs AFAIK - why arts?
[11:39] <DHGE> Owner: if you can burn md5sum can read ...
[11:39] <kosh> with amarok I use the xine plugin
[11:39] <kosh> it can do 7.1 output :)
[11:39] <galorin> Long logs... guess I'll have to check it out just after a failed resume... question is do I go for sleep or hibernate first.....
[11:39] <DHGE> with 7.1 mp3s ... ;-)
[11:40] <Zappa> DHGE: im getting an error from amarok saying "the gst-engine claims it cannot play mp3 files"
[11:40] <Zappa> but my audio is working fine otherwise
[11:40] <kosh> there is a standard for upmixing however it is better then having my speakers try and do it or sending the output to my decoder first then the speakers
[11:40] <DHGE> galorin:  it 11pm here - I go to sleep ;-)
[11:40] <kosh> however you can do 7.1 ogg files :)
[11:40] <DHGE> OIC
[11:40] <galorin> I should be as well, but the toddler is rampaging.
[11:41] <kosh> that is what tranquilizer guns are for :)
[11:41] <galorin> she's too fast
[11:41] <galorin> and there are already too many holes in the wall.
[11:42] <Zappa> DHGE: any idea why gstreamer might not be working for me?
[11:42] <kosh> how about some kind of nerve gas?
[11:43] <galorin> too much collateral damage
[11:43] <Owner> ok, I know, I am retarded....the md5sums match
[11:44] <DHGE> Zappa: maybe you need a decoder - i have no sound or mp3 on this machine can not check - try !mplayer in #kanotix channel
[11:46] <Owner> I am going to run the install again and write down exactly what it says
[11:46] <Owner> brb
[11:55] <Shawgo> hey, it's owner
[11:55] <Shawgo> should I type out the last line before the install freezes?
[11:56] <Shawgo> Ohci_hcd 0000:00:13.1: Unlink after no-IRQ?  Controller is probably using using the wrong IRQ.
[11:57] <eidolon> hi folks, what tools can i use to set clockspeed on a speedstep enabled laptop?  Klaptop doesn't seem to be changing the clockspeed.
[12:01] <seashell11> is owner still around? here is a better description of how to check md5sums on windows
[12:01] <seashell11> !md5sum
[12:01] <ubotu> I guess md5sum is to verify your ISO, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto for Windows see http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows


[14:05] <ahasenack> TIL there is wget2
[17:10] <sbeattie> ahasenack: hunh, TIL as well.
[17:10] <ahasenack> and it's been out there for a long time looks like
[17:11] <mdeslaur> huh