[00:09] <lagbox> would anyone know why in gnome-shell on the top bar i have all these blank spots that seem like they should be holding an indicator but they are empty, but they are hoverable, more and more of them show up over time and they push the network/power/sound indicator off the screen on the right
[00:16] <MonoL> Sup fellow Ubuntu users
[00:16] <MonoL> Nice to be here
[00:17] <matsaman> 'lo
[00:17] <MonoL> Is there some rule that says I need to stay on topic in here?
[00:18] <matsaman> I believe so yes
[00:19] <matsaman> /topic
[00:19] <MonoL> Because I'm feeling silly
[00:19] <matsaman> I mean in an ideal world you'd receive a warning before being added to the permanent ban list =P
[00:21] <oerheks> Many have feelings, but that has nothing to do with technical support
[01:12] <gneeriiloeepdeer> do you know the official channel for ebookviewer?
[01:14] <oerheks> whch one ebookviewer?
[01:15] <oerheks> alis
[01:15] <oerheks> !alis
[01:16] <sarnold> if that's one of those genericly named gnome applications, it might be on irc.gnome.org
[01:16] <oerheks> oh wait, such is standard in gnome
[01:17] <sarnold> yeah
[01:17] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I have no idea: its listed as 'E-book viewer'
[01:17] <gneeriiloeepdeer> alis ebookviewer
[01:18] <oerheks> bookworm?
[01:19] <oerheks> no, gnome-books
[01:19] <oerheks> !info gnome-books
[01:21] <gneeriiloeepdeer> help command returns 'ebook-viewer (calibre 5.25)'
[01:21] <gneeriiloeepdeer> is calibre the app's name?
[01:22] <JackFrost> I have E-Book Viewer and also Editor, with calibre installed.  So sounds right.
[01:24] <gneeriiloeepdeer> so what is calibre? the project's name?
[01:24] <JackFrost> calibre is an ebook library/manager, it can convert and view too.  Yes, that is the name of the software.
[01:25] <JackFrost> https://calibre-ebook.com/about#contact
[01:25] <oerheks> No. calibre is not standard
[01:26] <oerheks> gnome-books is, and i suppose support goes through mailinglists, they do not hang out as a group, AFAIK
[01:27] <JackFrost> I mean, help wouldn't call it 'Calibre' if it was indeed gnome-books, I'd imagine?
[01:27] <oerheks> !info calibre
[01:27] <oerheks> extra
[01:40] <fluiD> I just fired up my ubuntu server and it says I should run do-release-upgrade. Running that tells me to run apt upgrade.  Apt update complains that various repositories no longer have a release file.
[01:41] <sarnold> uhoh, you may have waited too long to upgrade, and the release you're on has probably been archived
[01:41] <sarnold> there's notes on how to upgrade out of this situation on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[01:41] <sarnold> but it may be easier to reinstall, depending upon what you've done on the system
[01:43] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds     should tell you which Ubuntu rleease you have there now.
[01:43] <fluiD> Holy cow really?!
[01:43] <fluiD> groovy?
[01:43] <sarnold> yeah
[01:43] <tomreyn> !groovy
[01:43] <sarnold> groovy hit end of life around seven months ago https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[01:44] <sarnold> groovy's replacement hits eol in a few days
[01:44] <fluiD> hahah
[01:44] <sarnold> you may prefer to stick to the LTS releases :) they last a bit longer
[01:45] <fluiD> ok. thanks for the info!
[01:59] <fluff_> i can connect to my network over my ethernet adapter for the first 2-3 restarts after i install ubuntu after that i get "Activation of network connection failed"
[02:00] <fluff_> how do i fix that
[02:01] <jeffmr4> what does ifconfig say about your adapter at the terminal?  Is it 'UP'?
[02:01] <jeffmr4> and does it see it?
[02:02] <lagbox> thats what she said
[02:03] <fluff_> command not found
[02:03] <jeffmr4> I'm not on ubuntu right now but you might have to install network cli tools.  I'm not sure what they are called.
[02:03] <jeffmr4> Anyone help him out?
[02:03] <jeffmr4> or her
[02:04] <fluff_> yes it says its up
[02:04] <jeffmr4> try to ping your router
[02:04] <fluff_> it was net-tools i needed to install
[02:04] <jeffmr4> ping <IP_ADDRESS> usually
[02:05] <jeffmr4> right
[02:05] <fluff_> it can ping my router
[02:05] <jeffmr4> what happens when you open firefox and go to google?
[02:06] <fluff_> it comes up cause i have internet through my phone temporarily
[02:06] <jeffmr4> turn off wifi and try again
[02:06] <jeffmr4> or tethering
[02:07] <tomreyn> fluff_: we use "ip" nowadays rather than "ipconfig"
[02:09] <fluff__> ping gave network is unreachable when i disconnected my phone
[02:10] <jeffmr4> try ifconfig <your adapter, i.e. lo0 or whatever> down
[02:10] <jeffmr4> ifconfig up
[02:10] <jeffmr4> ifconfig <your adapter> up
[02:10] <jeffmr4> not ifconfig up
[02:10] <jeffmr4> then ping
[02:11] <jeffmr4> lo0 is the loopback.  Your adapter will be something else
[02:11] <fluff__> when i ping can i specify the adapter?
[02:11] <jeffmr4> It shouldn't make a difference if wifi is disconnected
[02:12] <jeffmr4> there should only be one at the time
[02:12] <fluff__> if i disconnect the phone i drop out of the irc is why
[02:12] <jeffmr4> once you disconnect, reboot and then see if your adapter works
[02:12] <jeffmr4> then come back here
[02:14] <fluiD> two upgrades and I'm at Ubuntu 21.10. Is that the latest?
[02:14] <jeffmr4> Yep
[02:14] <fluiD> oh, I can see in the topic that it is
[02:14] <fluiD> yay!
[02:14] <fluiD> That was pretty easy. Thanks everyone!
[02:15] <fluff_> no change
[02:15] <jeffmr4> is it a usb to ethernet adapter?
[02:15] <fluff_> no its the one on my board
[02:15] <jeffmr4> desktop?
[02:16] <fluff_> yes
[02:16] <jeffmr4> when you type ifconfig what devices do you see?
[02:16] <fluff_> eno1 lo and usb0
[02:17] <jeffmr4> which one has an ip address and gateway?
[02:17] <fluff_> usb0 is me using my phones hotspot as a wifi adapter
[02:17] <jeffmr4> So eno1 is your ethernet adapter.
[02:17] <fluff_> correct
[02:17] <jeffmr4> do a paste it of the ifconfig output.
[02:19] <jeffmr4> and paste the address here
[02:20] <fluff_> https://pastebin.com/0464Q0Aw
[02:20] <fluff_> couldnt get into my ubuntu one account for the ubuntu site
[02:20] <fluff_> so i used pastebin
[02:20] <jeffmr4> sure
[02:21] <jeffmr4> I can't remember the command but I think try dhcp eno1
[02:22] <jeffmr4> or dhcpd eno1
[02:22] <fluff_> neither command was found
[02:22] <jeffmr4> it needs to acquire an address
[02:23] <fluff_> what apt were those part of
[02:24] <jeffmr4> some unix or linux.  give me just a sec.  searching google
[02:24] <jeffmr4> try /etc/init.d/dhcp start
[02:25] <jeffmr4> if that doesn't work this should, sorry about the choices,
[02:25] <jeffmr4> dhclient
[02:26] <fluff_> with dhclient my terminal is doing something at least
[02:26] <jeffmr4> try dhclient eno1
[02:26] <jeffmr4> then ifconfig and see if you see an ip address
[02:26] <fluff_> thats what i put in
[02:27] <fluff_> its still executing the command
[02:27] <jeffmr4> ctrl + c and try dhclient by itself
[02:28] <bancroft> Can someone help me? I've mounted an additional drive but it seems like when I add files to the path for the external drive my main boot drive (which is a smaller SSD) gets filled up. I don't know why this is happening
[02:28] <fluff_> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[02:28] <fluff_> that was the output
[02:29] <jeffmr4> not sure.  I could get on your computer and try myself but I'm not sure if the above isn't working.
[02:30] <fluff_> it spat out the activation of network error again at the top of my screen
[02:31] <jeffmr4> you could try systemctl restart networking
[02:32] <sarnold> that might be a quick way to lose control of the system
[02:32] <sarnold> at least it was inthe past..
[02:33] <jeffmr4> I doubt it.  He can always reboot if it kicks him off.
[02:34] <sarnold> that's the thing, trying to restart networking that wayu would prevent contacting the init daemon and actually preventing you from issuing a shutdown or reboot command
[02:34] <sarnold> maybe it's been fixed, maybe not, I'm not brave enough to try it on any of the machines I've got running :)
[02:52] <rabbitnightmare> why are wifi drivers STILL  goddamn problem in 2022?!?
[02:53] <rabbitnightmare> realtek 8723DU apparantly has a linux driver but it isn't loading
[02:53] <rabbitnightmare> please help
[02:53] <rabbitnightmare> it worked before
[02:53] <sarnold> what error are you getting?
[02:53] <rabbitnightmare> bluetooth shows up but Linux treats the wifi card as if its not even there
[02:54] <rabbitnightmare> I tried several distros to no avail
[02:54] <rabbitnightmare> I remember getting it to work on this computer which is why I own it
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> rabbitnightmare: realtek will always be a kernel itchy issue
[02:58] <rabbitnightmare> well when I buy hardware for Linux I kind of expect it to work
[02:58] <rabbitnightmare> its a system76
[02:59] <rabbitnightmare> I don't understand
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> rabbitnightmare: wich kernel are you on?
[02:59] <rabbitnightmare> whatever Ubuntu ships with
[02:59] <jhutchins> rabbitnightmare: Realtek hates Linux and breaks things on a regular basis.
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> depends on your release and time ubuntu installed
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> uname -a
[03:00] <rabbitnightmare> latest and lts releases neither works all of a sudden
[03:00] <sarnold> if you're on a system76 then you may wish to use pop_OS! instead, they provide their own kernels for a reason
[03:00] <rabbitnightmare> fedora debian linux mint ubuntu open suse manjaro all tested and BAM no luck but Windows 10 works somehow
[03:00] <rabbitnightmare> I also tried pop
[03:00] <rabbitnightmare> same issue
[03:01] <rabbitnightmare> Windows runs SO hot on this thing lol
[03:01] <rabbitnightmare> like 100c
[03:03] <jhutchins> rabbitnightmare: Is it possible you have a dead card?
[03:03] <rabbitnightmare> but it works on windows
[03:03] <rabbitnightmare> talking right now on win11
[03:03] <rabbitnightmare> actually
[03:03] <rabbitnightmare> works on 10 and 11
[03:04] <rabbitnightmare> its a wifi n card
[03:04] <rabbitnightmare> not ac not wifi6
[03:04] <jhutchins> rabbitnightmare: Network drivers usually migrate into kernel.org before they get picked up by distros.  You might start there and try to dig up what project might be working on that particular card.
[03:05] <rabbitnightmare> ima try an old version of pop
[03:05] <jhutchins> Although I think you said it worked before, so it should be in the mainline.  Can you go back to an earlier release where it worked?
[03:05] <rabbitnightmare> I dont get why older Linux worked but newer ones dont
[03:06] <jhutchins> rabbitnightmare: It's called regression. Happens sometimes.
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> rabbitnightmare: instead of discussing, perhaps lets focus on a solution?
[03:06] <jhutchins> rabbitnightmare: Like maybe someone tweaked something to work with a newer version of the chipset, and killed the old one.
[03:07] <rabbitnightmare> https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Wireless-and-Networking/Realtek-8723DE-wifi-module-amp-Bluetooth-Linux-driver/td-p/6477307
[03:07] <rabbitnightmare> I mean its not a new wifi card
[03:07] <jhutchins> lotuspsychje: I think trying older versions of the OS/kernel/drivers is a step in the right direction.
[03:07] <rabbitnightmare> D/E/U all same same
[03:07] <jhutchins> lotuspsychje: Got anything else?
[03:08] <rabbitnightmare> E is europe, U is united states
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> dmesg in a paste could be useful
[03:09] <jhutchins> !paste
[03:10] <jhutchins> rabbitnightmare: Fire away.
[03:10] <jhutchins> rabbitnightmare: You'll have to dump dmesg to a file that you can access from windows in order to paste it.
[03:11] <rabbitnightmare> haha right
[03:12] <rabbitnightmare> I found an original build of popos for this laptop we shall see
[03:13] <rabbitnightmare> I wonder if I can pull the drivers out and put them in a newer kernel version
[03:14] <Guest96554> What's good?
[03:15] <rabbitnightmare> cinnamon peach cobbler
[03:15] <Guest96554> I meant whats up nigga?
[03:21] <MinusOne> Hi, I have an openvz vps running ubuntu 16.04. Is there an easy way to check if it is set up to receive extended security maintenance?
[03:22] <MinusOne> I.e., it claims to be up to date, is there a way to check for security update history?
[03:22] <sarnold> /var/log/dpkg.log has a bunch of detailed stuff..
[03:23] <sarnold> /var/log/apt/history.log is way easier to read but is probably apt only.. (probably everything, but not neccessarily..)
[03:24] <sarnold> "ua status" should report informatoin on ESM
[03:24] <MinusOne> sarnold, I have no ua package, nor an installation candidate. Does that mean I have no support?
[03:25] <MinusOne> well or a different package name. I will google and ask fewer questions until I have =P
[03:25] <sarnold> MinusOne: probably.. try installing ubuntu-advantage-tools
[03:25] <sarnold> that's the package that owns ua on my 16.04 irssi instance :)
[03:27] <MinusOne> Ok, that is the right package. I can now see my provider did not set me up with UA. Thanks for the help!
[03:27] <sarnold> sure thing
[03:27] <sarnold> there should be a way to get a free token for something like three machines on the website.. hopefully ua has enough breadcrumbs to get there
[03:28] <MinusOne> yeah I will check it out, I found info on Canonical's site also
[03:29] <sarnold> good good
[03:29] <sarnold> alright, I'm off, have fun :)
[03:29] <MinusOne> have a good one :-)
[03:29] <sarnold> thanks :)
[04:09] <leftyfb> MinusOne: you really should update. You're not going to see many updates to 16.04 even though ESM
[04:13] <MinusOne> leftyfb, the difficulty is that this is an openvz vps I rent. I am uncertain whether this is an upgrade path that will leave me with a functioning server. Also, this is a cheap file storage server I consider inherently untrustworthy, so looking for updates is more about best practice than real need
[04:14] <MinusOne> *whether there is an upgrade path
[04:14] <MinusOne> Everything I put on this server is either encrypted or I don't mind being public
[04:14] <leftyfb> setup a new VPS and migrate
[04:14] <MinusOne> leftyfb, yeah, but it is a super good deal for a terabyte of storage
[04:15] <leftyfb> they're giving a good deal because they're selling an EOL releasE?
[04:16] <MinusOne> leftyfb, I don't know how their deals are so good or why they don't want to upgrade. I would assume their is a correlation between lack of security and price. However, I did learn that I am on a supported and maintained kernel due to how openvz works. So it is just ( "just" ) package vulnerabilities that are a concern
[04:20] <MinusOne> I am gonna see if I can at least address package vulnerabilites with esm
[04:23] <MinusOne> yep, ua is getting me those sweet, sweet security upgrades. Yum.
[06:26] <Bernie__> hey you
[06:47] <Bernie__> motor control of how many
[06:47] <Bernie__> is it localuzed
[06:47] <Bernie__> or global
[06:48] <Bernie__> the motor pathways of humanoid hosts on ubuntu kernel
[06:48] <Bernie__> which kernel is tge forex slave trade?
[08:34] <fdfe> why doesn't ubuntu ever backports anything? no money, or because debian don't?
[08:41] <matsaman> Ubuntu has never had many resources to stray from Debian much
[11:48] <Guest69> what version of ubuntu supports wayland? 21.04 ? 21.10?
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> Guest69: most ubuntu releases have wayland now, you can find out by logging out and click the gear icon to see if its wayland or xorg
[11:54] <Guest69> is a particular nvidida driver version required to run? e.g., 470?
[11:55] <Guest69> i attempted to use wayland but just got my motherboard's bootup screen. i've been using nvidida drivers version 460. not sure if that's the issue
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> Guest69: i think they are working on wayland and 470, so yeah thats surely a test you can make, if your card allows the driver version
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> Guest69: ubuntu-drivers list will show you
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:41] <Nobrem> hi
[14:41] <Nobrem> how can I trick a program into thinking I have a higher GTK version that I actually have?
[14:41] <Maik> probably not
[14:41] <leftyfb> you don't
[14:42] <leftyfb> Nobrem: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[14:42] <Nobrem> 18.04
[14:42] <Nobrem> protonvpn-cli  won't connect
[14:42] <Nobrem> protonvpn  (the GUI) dislikes my GTK version
[14:42] <Maik> upgrade to 20.04 then if that's an option
[14:43] <Nobrem> Maik, this computer will get its funeral in ~2 weeks
[14:43] <Nobrem> Maik, so, not at this moment
[14:43] <Maik> then why bother
[14:45] <Nobrem> because even these 2 weeks are important for me
[14:45] <tomreyn> focus on making the CLI work, getting support from the software developers.
[14:47] <Nobrem> Can we try to find a solution for 10 minutes,  and then I write them an e-mail?
[14:47] <Nobrem> I am using the free version of the VPN,  so not sure how quickly I will get help there
[14:48] <Nobrem> setting the username and password worked and I am logged in
[14:48] <leftyfb> Nobrem: we cannot support 3rd party software, especially commercial software
[14:48] <Nobrem> the problem is the connection process.  -  No errors.   But it connects, like, forever
[14:48] <Maik> contact them since it's about their VPN and thus not Ubuntu related.
[14:49] <Nobrem> I wasn't aware,  #ubuntu  had such a strict policy.
[14:49] <Nobrem> thank you, bye bye!
[15:09] <Pricey> On Focal and all of a sudden shim is suggested for autoremove... this is a trap?
[15:11] <Pricey> Hmm but shim-signed stays.
[15:12] <Pricey> Aha, all intentional transision https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/+bug/1921134
[15:12] <Pricey> *transition!
[15:36] <Hund> Hi! Is there some tool to assure consistency when doing translations, that anyone can recommend?
[15:50] <alkisg> Eh, most online translating services have consistency as one of their goals...
[16:40] <webchat77> On Ubuntu 20.04 Desktop in Settings | Appearance | Dock I have turned on "Auto-hide the Dock" and dock auto hide, this is fine. But I would like to turn dock on only if Super key is pressed and I would like dock to NOT appear if I move mouse to the left site of window. I have searched the dconf settings and turned on
[16:40] <webchat77> /org/gnome/shell/extensions/dash-to-dock/require-pressure-to-show settings, but when I move mouse to the dock dock appears automatically. As I said, I would like to turn dock on only if I press Super key.
[16:42] <jhutchins> webchat77: What make you think that's an option?
[16:43] <webchat77> jhutchins, the settings name. I don't know maybe there is some other setting to do the trick.
[16:44] <oerheks> Pressure threshold - Sets how much pressure is needed to show the dash.
[16:44] <oerheks> current 100
[16:45] <oerheks> i see no delay or something
[16:55] <webchat77> @oerheks, I have changed pressure-threshold from 100 to 1000 and it looks like problem is solved. Is there any recommended value to be set?
[16:56] <leftyfb> webchat77: personal preference
[16:56] <oerheks> webchat77, do some tests to find out, and share such on 'askubuntu'?
[16:58] <webchat77> @oe
[16:59] <Hund> alkisg: They probably have, but I would like to have an alternative to https://amagama-live.translatehouse.org which doesn't work anymore.
[17:01] <webchat77> oerheks, I have been playing around with this settings and values between 0 and 286 and dock is still displayed when I move mouse to edge. When value 287 or more the dock is not displayed on mouse move to edge. Interesting... Don't understand why 287 is the limit
[17:03] <oerheks> webchat77, that number does not give me a clue either
[17:14] <DTA72> hello
[17:15] <DTA72> i was referred here from Kubuntu/off topic as i installed kde/plasma onto ubuntu latest kernel release
[17:15] <DTA72> attempting pastebin
[17:18] <jhutchins> DTA72: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[17:21] <leftyfb> DTA72: you are having an issue with KDE/Plasma and you were referred here from #kubuntu?
[17:23] <DTA72> hello thank you all for your response... i had to register pastebin as the provided avenue was not available in my resource repository... https://pastebin.com/vVYjpr1G
[17:24] <leftyfb> DTA72: what is ROG "Republic of Gamers"?
[17:24] <DTA72> yes
[17:25] <leftyfb> that wasn't a binary questio
[17:25] <leftyfb> n
[17:25] <DTA72> its the screen that auto generates upon powering up
[17:25] <leftyfb> DTA72: what is ROG "Republic of Gamers"?
[17:25] <DTA72> ASUS motherboard
[17:25] <leftyfb> DTA72: ok, then you are having a hardware issue. Nothing to do with ubuntu
[17:25] <DTA72> ROG Strix B550-F Gaming
[17:26] <leftyfb> DTA72: try #hardware or contact Asus for support with their hardware
[17:26] <DTA72> i tried many times im getting no response... ive tried many different youtube vids and online resources to no avail... of course changes to bios settings and full update
[17:27] <DTA72> ok ty @leftyfb ill try that hardware channel chat
[17:30] <leftyfb> DTA72: it seems like you have 2 or 3 separate issues. The first is the "ROG" message. That is related to your Asus hardware and nothing to do with the operating system on the hard drive. You said the only way to get out of it is to reboot. I'm not sure how you're getting to the next problems though. "i can only login via. grub menu" and "with partial graphics functionality"
[17:30] <jhutchins> Actually, the ROG screen is probably a sign that we're not getting as far as GRUB.
[17:30] <leftyfb> yup, probably POST
[17:30] <jhutchins> It's not a hardware failure, it's success.
[17:31] <leftyfb> which can probably be disabled in the BIOS
[17:31] <jhutchins> I doubt the screen matters, what needs to happen is correctly picking up the bootloader.
[17:31] <leftyfb> I don't understand how they're saying the message pops up on boot and the only way to get out of it is to reboot. Then I'm not sure how any other problem exists if they can't get passed it
[17:31] <jhutchins> This is one of the rare occasions that I think reinstalling might be a solution.
[17:32] <leftyfb> yup, and if they want KDE, I could suggest installing kubuntu and not KDE on top of ubuntu
[17:33] <jhutchins> There shouldn't be any significant difference.  It's just marketing.
[17:33] <jhutchins> You should be able to have gnome, kde, xfce, lxde and whatever other environments you want all installed on the base OS.
[17:34] <leftyfb> except for the fact that people come here all the time with problems stemming from installing another DE and trying to go back and forth and one causing problems with another
[17:34] <jhutchins> Which suggests the problems are with the underlying system and not the Desktop overlay.
[17:35] <leftyfb> sure, but that means the differences are more than just marketing. It doesn't always work right for whatever reason. Installing the desktop you want from the beginning avoids those issues
[17:35] <DTA72> i hope this can help assist others when it gets worked out... https://pastebin.com/Y6Ym4cwn Thanks again
[17:37] <leftyfb> DTA72: you really shouldn't keep a running list of chats and present that as your issue. Again, it seems like you have multiple issues. Only 1 should be debugged at a time. Either way, you might save yourself a lot of time and effort just installing kubuntu from scratch
[17:37] <jhutchins> DTA72: You need to edit your post down to just your explanation of what the problem is without all of the spurious irrelevant text.  Did you try the kernel parameter that was suggested?
[17:39] <DTA72> i tried many times from usb stick... it requires windows os with all these different bootable drive programs and just got me very confused over the past months of trying to resolve this...
[17:39] <leftyfb> DTA72: installing ubuntu/kubuntu does not require Windows in any way
[17:40] <DTA72> yes i tried from command line/terminal install as well ... hence the only way i am even here right now
[17:42] <leftyfb> DTA72: you really aren't clear on the issues. First you say your machine doesn't boot, but now you're saying it does
[17:49] <DTA72> [11:47] <DTA72> upon the choices given upon reboot is hit delete or f2 keys to enter bios.... or wait until OS ubuntu kernel version choices are presented... so if i wait and dont make a choice of "recovery mode" boot it auto generates the *ubuntu which immediately goes to "ROG" screen and freezes
[17:49] <DTA72> [11:48] <DTA72> so the only way i am here is from recovery mode which does not fully load parameters of ubuntu
[17:49] <DTA72> [11:48] <DTA72> is that more clear?
[17:59] <tomreyn> DTA72: when you had only ubuntu installed, did the graphical desktop work well?
[17:59] <tomreyn> if yes: i suggest you reinstall whichever you want to have - ubuntu, kubuntu, or any other !flavour
[18:00] <jhutchins> So what channel do you go to if you have problems with the base OS that don't have anything to do with Gnome?
[18:00] <tomreyn> if no: i suggest you look for a bios upgrade and install that, and try again
[18:01] <tomreyn> jhutchins: here, as long as it's software from official ubuntu software sources
[18:01] <leftyfb> jhutchins: here. Unless the probably are pretty -server software specific, then go to #ubuntu-server
[18:01] <leftyfb> probably/problem
[18:01] <BarnabasDK> same kernel though
[18:02] <BarnabasDK> per release version
[18:02] <leftyfb> BarnabasDK: sure, but -server is usually best suited to problems with apache or mysql or the like
[18:02] <BarnabasDK> agree 100%
[18:04] <BarnabasDK> #ubuntu-server
[18:04] <BarnabasDK> I belive
[18:09] <WebChat53> Good Afternoon
[18:09] <tomreyn> hi WebChat53, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[18:10] <tomreyn> also, which web chat are you using (what's the http address?)
[18:10] <leftyfb> heh .. you were getting too personal :)
[18:12] <DTA72> working on this suggestion.... https://www.fosslinux.com/43836/fix-asus-linux-laptop-stuck-logo-screen.htm
[18:13]  * tomreyn quits
[18:14] <jhutchins> Stop trying to communicate with links.
[18:14] <leftyfb> DTA72: good luck
[18:15] <jhutchins> DTA72: Didn't somebody already suggest a BIOS update?
[18:19] <DTA72> thanks for the good luck wishes @leftyfb i will need it... @jhutchins i have already updated bios to current version
[18:20] <jhutchins> DTA72: So did that have any effect on your initial problem?  If you're past that, where are you now? (NO LINKS PLEASE).
[18:22] <DTA72> following the Fosslinux link and rebooting now to change grub entry
[18:22] <DTA72> if anybody has any other suggestions please send to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:22] <DTA72> Namaste
[19:01] <alkisg> Να'μαστε in Greek means "Here we are" :)
[19:04] <Maik> alkisg: so?
[19:04] <Maik> i probably missed something....
[19:05] <alkisg> DTA72 said "Namaste" which is an Indian phrase; the same phrase means something else in Greek
[19:06] <alkisg> It's nothing important, ignore it :)
[19:08] <Maik> alkisg: oh, right. I get it now. :)
[19:16] <webchat333> Hey everyone hope everyone is having a good Friday. If anyone is bored I could use some help. I have a late 2012 mac mini running Ubuntu server 20.04 and I installed an AirPlay mirroring server following this https://github.com/FDH2/UxPlay . Installed without errors and runs without errors however when I connect to it to airplay the screen stays at
[19:16] <webchat333> the tty1 login screen. I'm barely technically able. Do I need to install a Desktop Environment or ?  The only other thing installed is pi-hole with unbound and cockpit.
[19:32] <matsaman> webchat333: if you want to use a desktop environment, yes you'll have to install one
[19:32] <matsaman> webchat333: I believe the default one's meta-package would be called 'ubuntu-desktop'
[19:32] <webchat333> I don't want to if I don't need it for the AirPlay server to work
[19:32] <matsaman> if you wanted to take baby steps, you could install smaller bits to start with, though it shouldn't really matter either way
[19:33] <matsaman> webchat333: I wouldn't think you would need it, no
[19:33] <webchat333> hmm ok thanks
[19:33] <matsaman> webchat333: you can use sshfs or whatever to get data on/off
[19:48] <pycurious> how do i move ubuntu 20.04 gcc to 11.2 instead of 10.3?
[19:50] <leftyfb> pycurious: it's not supported
[19:52] <pycurious> leftyfb: whats the highest version that is supported?
[19:52] <leftyfb> 10.3.0-1ubuntu1~20.04
[19:56] <sarnold> pycurious: you could try the backportpackage command to backport gcc-11 to focal. it might build, it might not, dunno.
[19:57] <pycurious> When I fire: apt-get install -y python3-pip git cmake curl python3-dev  — it installs gcc-9 - and after that if i do gcc —version it gives me 9.x
[19:58] <pycurious> g++ (Ubuntu 9.3.0-17ubuntu1~20.04) 9.3.0
[19:58] <pycurious> any ideas how to get g++ default version to be 10.3 instead of 9.3 ?
[19:59] <leftyfb> pycurious: g++-10
[19:59] <cbreak> pycurious: do you have both installed?
[20:00] <pycurious> I want g++ —version to give 10.x not 9.x
[20:00] <cbreak> pycurious: then install g++ 10 first
[20:01] <cbreak> afterwards, maybe update-alternatives can help you.
[20:01] <cbreak> depending on how the g++ symlink is managed
[20:02] <pycurious> cbreak: sudo apt install g++-10 gcc-10?
[20:03] <cbreak> if your ubuntu offers that, sure
[20:03] <cbreak> mine only offers gcc-10
[20:04] <leftyfb> g++-10 is part of the universe repo
[20:04] <cbreak> and on my system, the g++ symlink seems to be hard-coded, not update-alternatives
[20:05] <cbreak> seems it's part of the gcc meta package here, and points to gcc-11
[20:05] <cbreak> so no update-alternatives :(
[20:05] <cbreak> pycurious: you can still make a g++ symlink earlier in your $PATH if you want, to overwrite that
[20:05] <pycurious> I think the python-dev packages install 9.3  - so am trying to install the -10 manually before - see if that has any effect
[20:21] <pycurious> $ lsb_release -ds —> Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS.  and — $ gcc --version gcc (Ubuntu 9.3.0-17ubuntu1~20.04) 9.3.0 - I tried apt install g++-10 gcc-10 - same output
[20:21] <sarnold> pycurious: ls -l `which gcc` will probably explain a lot
[20:22] <leftyfb> type -a gcc
[20:24] <leftyfb> pycurious: https://ahelpme.com/linux/ubuntu/install-and-make-gnu-gcc-10-default-in-ubuntu-20-04-focal/ found on google by searching for "ubuntu 20.04 gcc-10"
[20:25] <leftyfb> or not
[20:31] <leftyfb> pycurious: https://ahelpme.com/linux/ubuntu/install-and-make-gnu-gcc-10-default-in-ubuntu-20-04-focal/ found on google by searching for "ubuntu 20.04 gcc-10"
[20:31] <deadmund> I am looking for a program that can convert a postscript / eps file into a png or gif or some other "normal" image format.  I found https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man1/psconvert.1gmt.html  but the package gmt-common does not seem to provide that command for me on my system.  What am I doing wrong?
[20:31] <deadmund> apt-file show gmt-common | grep psconvert     outputs nothing?
[20:32] <leftyfb> deadmund: brother-lpr-drivers-laser1: /usr/Brother/lpd/psconvert
[20:32] <leftyfb> though not sure if that's what you want
[20:32] <deadmund> leftyfb: Probably not bro
[20:33] <leftyfb> that is the only package with psconvert
[20:33] <deadmund> I know
[20:34] <deadmund> Can anyone explain this documentation???  https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man1/psconvert.1gmt.html   It clearly indicates that there should be a psconvert in gmt-common
[20:36] <sarnold> deadmund: probably graphicsmagick knows how to drive ghostscript to do this sort of thing; I know imagemagick can, too, but it might be disabled by default in the imagemagick configuratino files because ghostscript is even more unsafe than imagemagick...
[20:37] <rfm> deadmund, I found an example of rendering to PNG in the ghostscript docs: https://www.ghostscript.com/doc/current/Devices.htm#PNG
[20:37] <rfm> deadmund, tho of course as usual with gs there are Too Many Options
[21:34] <familia> kelp
[21:36] <jhutchins> Something fishy about that one.
[21:36] <sarnold> :)
[22:19] <jimklo> Q: anyone know how to configure the ports for nlockmgr so they can pass through the firewall
[22:38] <jhutchins> jimklo: What ports?  What firewall?
[22:43] <leftyfb> jimklo: https://serverfault.com/a/377172   but also, I don't see nlockmgr in ubuntu at all. Also, I hope you're only running NFS locally and not over the internet
[22:44] <jimklo> @jhutchins lockd_tcpport/lockd_udpport and ufw
[22:44] <jimklo> leftyfb: only in private network
[22:45] <leftyfb> jimklo: if it's for a private network, then why do you have a firewall blocking any inbound access from other machines on the same network?
[22:46] <jimklo> it's complicated
[23:20] <toxic0> has anyone maybe written or seen a systemd config for ucarp that comes from the ubuntu repo ? I've been following this guide https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/ucarp that works more or less correctly but is still using the ancient /etc/init.d scripts...
[23:22] <jhutchins> toxic0: Nothing wrong with that if it works.
[23:24] <jhutchins> toxic0: Most commercial firewalls have that capability built in these days.  What's your environment like?
[23:33] <toxic0> jhutchins oh yes I use opnSense and it already has CARP for itself, but I'm trying to have a failover for my main reverse-proxy behind the opnSense box, and they are 2 ubuntu lxc containers running on different pve hosts
[23:34] <toxic0> I was not able to imagine a way where opnSense would check for port 443 being open on one of the ip of the reverse-proxy and assigning the first one in the pool to some VIP
[23:36] <toxic0> don't think it can be transparent like that for the lxc containers, if they have no idea they are master or not they don't know if they should answer to the VIP or not and probably the IP stack would drop these packets that are to the VIP
[23:36] <[newton]> where to go with new ideaS?
[23:37] <toxic0> I did not want opnSense to do the https decryption, so unless there is a nice solution to NAT the VIP to either of the nodes depending if they listen on port 443, I think my best bet is still ucarp running on each node
[23:37] <[newton]> no way thats facinating
[23:39] <toxic0> not sure waht to make of your comments newton
[23:39] <[newton]> comments plural?
[23:39] <ravage> pretty sure hes just a troll. ignore him
[23:40] <[newton]> how could you know?
[23:40] <[newton]> i could get annoyed at that
[23:40] <[newton]> teach me for sure but cut me off like that youre a troll
[23:41] <[newton]> a nick like that?!
[23:41] <toxic0> thx ravage, It's been a while since I was on irc, I know there are lots of nice people and lots of rules I migh overstep without even noticing, so I wanted to take car and not just swipe these away as they made no sens to me nor did they seem useful in any way to my situation or seemed addressed to anyone else specifically ;)
[23:42] <[newton]> so you obviously dont care in the slightest about people with mental difficulties
[23:42] <sarnold> toxic0: hrm, that guide is also using interface aliases, those haven't been necessary in twenty years or something
[23:43] <sarnold> toxic0: hrm, that guide is also using interface aliases, those haven't been necessary in twenty years or something
[23:44] <toxic0> didn't find anything more up to date sadly for ubuntu or debian, seems carp is nowerdays not something one does outside of firewalls :D
[23:44] <sarnold> could be ;(
[23:45] <jimklo> leftyfb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9JdhKbymnB/
[23:45] <ravage> toxic0: its not from the ubuntu repo but maybe it still works? https://gist.github.com/larsks/5009872
[23:46] <ravage> also note the first comment about the service type
[23:46] <toxic0> well, at least it does seem to work and it seems to me a simple solution I can easily fix if something goes astray so I'll stick with that for now and ask at opnSense if someone got a better idea for failover.
[23:49] <[newton]> ok so no one here is interested in new ideas?
[23:50] <[newton]> fail
[23:51] <toxic0> thx ravage, had also seen another one like this but I was more tempted to try the one from ubuntu wiki first, never know with gists dating back from 2016 ;) Seems quite simple though, might try it soon, still need to test-out the --upscript option, ans as I'm myself not an expert in systemd, debuging with a init.d script is something I've done many times and feel comfortable, but moving to a unit-file will help me once times comes to try out ansible
[23:58] <tusko> hello friends
[23:59] <tusko> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, and I've made a settings.ini file in $HOME/.config/gtk-3.0/ as usual, but it doesn't seem to be giving me what I want.


[01:41] <duflu> kdub: Interesting thought - nested bypass in its ability to use much less GPU might actually make phones less smooth (because they will clock lower). We need to get that under control too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1488386
[05:57] <RAOF> Wow. Touching mg::DisplayConfigurationOutput touches *all the things*.
[06:06] <duflu> RAOF: All the server things? Yeah probably
[06:07] <duflu> RAOF: Here's a thought: Is the system's "scale" setting a feature of the server rather than the display/displayconfig?
[06:07] <RAOF> No, because it's per-output.
[06:07] <duflu> Fair enough. More fields for everyone
[06:07] <RAOF> Yeah :/
[06:08] <duflu> RAOF: Hmm, do the toolkits report scale per display?
[06:08] <duflu> Because if it's systemwide in the toolkit designs, that would be a problem
[06:08] <RAOF> I'm pretty sure they do, yeah.
[06:09] <duflu> If they report it at all
[06:12] <RAOF> gdk tracks scale per-output, but gdk_window_get_scale will report the largest scale factor in the current configuration.
[06:13] <RAOF> But it'd be an easy optimisation to make it report the scale that the surface is on.
[06:20] <RAOF> (Because gdk notifies apps when the scale changes, and even with its current “maximum scale of everything on the system” approach the scale *does* change at runtime, so apps need to handle it)
[08:01] <dandrader> duflu, ping
[08:01] <duflu> dandrader: Hello
[08:01] <dandrader> duflu, hi
[08:01] <dandrader> so, I got a problem um qtubuntu regarding resize events
[08:01] <duflu> Yay
[08:02] <dandrader> resize events are processed in a thread and buffer swapping in a different one
[08:02] <dandrader> currently, when i get a resize event all I do is schedule the rendering of a new frame
[08:02] <dandrader> and it has been working well until a couple of weeks ago
[08:03] <dandrader> it used to be that after I get a resize event, on my next buffer swap I would get already a frame with the new size
[08:03] <duflu> dandrader: Yeah, schedule a new frame on resize, but ignore the resize event contents. Instead use the dimensions of the buffer you get back from swap
[08:03] <dandrader> but now it happens so that sometimes it takes two buffer swaps until I get a buffer with the new surface size
[08:04] <dandrader> duflu, that's what I do
[08:04] <duflu> dandrader: That's always been an issue. There are TODOs and comments in the Mir demos about it
[08:04] <duflu> dandrader: Let me find the details
[08:04] <dandrader> duflu, previously I would swap buffers until I get a buffer with the new size
[08:05] <dandrader> duflu, but that proved problematic in some situations
[08:05] <duflu> dandrader: Just remember every swap buffers will appear on screen, so it should have rendering in it :)
[08:05] <duflu> dandrader: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1288021
[08:05] <dandrader> duflu, sure, when I say buffer swapping I mean rendering a new frame
[08:06] <dandrader> duflu, so now I'm thinking about doing the following
[08:06] <dandrader> duflu, when I get a resize event
[08:06] <dandrader> duflu, I render up to 3 new frames trying to get a buffer with a new size
[08:07] <dandrader> duflu, as opposed to rendering just once, as it's done now
[08:07] <duflu> dandrader: There's a simple solution we've been using for a long time. Just see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1288021
[08:08] <dandrader> duflu, yes, I do this
[08:08] <dandrader> duflu, this is not the problem I'm explaining
[08:08] <duflu> OK
[08:09] <dandrader> duflu, problem is the following: unity8 rotates from landscape to portrait, thus resizing the focused app, which gets a resize event from mir
[08:10] <dandrader> duflu, so qtubuntu, in the client app process, schedules the rendering of a new frame in response to that resize event
[08:10] <dandrader> duflu, but the next buffer still has a landscape size
[08:10] <duflu> dandrader: I know. I've been looking after that bug. I have posted a partial solution and suggested how to handle the rest in comments: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1466510
[08:11] <dandrader> duflu, so it will look streched (as unity8 is already in portrait) until the user flicks the app, causing a new redraw
[08:12] <dandrader> duflu, s/a new redraw/yet another redraw
[08:12] <duflu> dandrader: I've fixed the stretching in my branch, but there's still a brief delay while it fixes up the bottom/right edges. Comment #4 should solve that.
[08:14] <dandrader> suggestion #4 sounds wasteful
[08:14] <duflu> dandrader: It would look beautiful, more like iOS rotation
[08:15] <duflu> Oh, except Unity8 itself would have to support partial rotation
[08:15] <duflu> dandrader: I tested it on a phone last Friday. The unstretch branch really solves most of the problem. The rest is just minor polish
[08:16] <duflu> "minor polish" = you finding ways to tell the app to resize sooner
[08:20] <dandrader> duflu, so https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/qtmir/unstretch/+merge/268724 does clipping/cropping instead of streching
[08:20] <seb128> hey there, does anyone know if there is documentation somewhere about mir-on-x?
[08:20] <duflu> dandrader: Yes, so most of your pixels appear in the right place, even before the resize
[08:21] <duflu> seb128: Not sure. It's very new. I heard that even intel gfx support isn't ready yet
[08:21] <dandrader> duflu, I will try out the "redraw up to 3 times after getting a resize event" solution
[08:22] <seb128> duflu, if it's not working on intel on what is it working? ;-)
[08:22] <duflu> dandrader: Hmm, if you really need that then there must be another bug not revealed by mir-demos yet
[08:23] <duflu> seb128: Other drivers. Ask camako / RAOF
[08:24] <duflu> dandrader: I think you might have a new and unique bug there. Particularly for resizing input-driven apps. Not sure if we've covered that correctly. Yeah it seems like you do need to keep redrawing till the buffer dimensions == resize event dimensions
[08:25] <duflu> dandrader: 3 times will work, but better to put it in a while loop
[08:25] <seb128> camako, RAOF, should mir-on-X work on intel? do you have documentation on how to test it?
[08:26] <duflu> seb128: Although "Mir on VT1" works right now ;)
[08:26] <seb128> less handy for testing :-)
[08:27] <dandrader> duflu, it's "*up* to 3 times". I give up ealier if I get a buffer with a new size already on the first or second redraw
[08:27] <duflu> seb128: Meh, Ctrl+Alt+Fn is easy. And you get much better performance too
[08:27] <duflu> dandrader: Yeah you're right. Our mir demos failed to reveal that bug
[08:28] <duflu> dandrader: Seems like Mir itself should keep sending you the same resize event till it matches
[08:30] <dandrader> duflu, thing is there's no synchronicity whatsoever between the mir event thread and the rendering thread
[08:30] <dandrader> duflu, if we could tie a frame number to the resize event it would be perfect
[08:31] <dandrader> duflu, so the client would know that it will get a buffer with the new size of frame number X
[08:32] <duflu> dandrader: You can get the "age" of the buffer (number up to 3)
[08:32] <duflu> which might help
[08:32] <duflu> Not sure
[08:32] <duflu> Also, I know... https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1194384
[08:39] <dandrader> duflu, the client would internally count the number of buffer swaps it has done on a surface. if mir provided the frame number of the buffer which will have the new size on the resize event, the client would know exacly how many buffer swaps would be needed to reach it. do you think that this could work?
[08:40] <duflu> dandrader: I say use a while loop. It will cover the case of desktop resizing with a mouse much better (where the resize operation could go on indefinitely)
[09:03] <anpok> seb128: not sure about hte current status, I know that there was something missing in the intel driver shipped in wily
[09:03] <anpok> not sure if you have to go to drm-next or a newer mesa..
[09:09] <alan_g> duflu: are you still set up to test https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/fix-1488500/+merge/269171?
[09:09] <duflu> alan_g: No, but it's likely we can find the offending debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[09:10] <duflu> If not just download them again
[09:10] <alan_g> duflu: yeah, but making them appear in the directory in the right order isn't so easy
[09:11] <alan_g> I had to hack the loading code to make it happen on my machine
[09:11] <duflu> alan_g: Is it raw (unpredictable) directory order?
[09:11] <alan_g> yep
[09:11] <duflu> Excellent
[09:11] <duflu> Definitely not then
[09:11] <alan_g> nm thanks
[09:11] <duflu> alan_g: Try a --reinstall on the latest package
[09:16] <alan_g> I will, when I get home to a wily m/c
[09:18] <duflu> Motorcycle?
[09:18] <duflu> You may not want a wily motorcycle
[09:19] <alan_g> haha
[10:15] <alan_g> anpok: as you're looking at USC... https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/unity-system-compositor/add-display-config-option/+merge/262110
[10:19] <alan_g> greyback_: I think your NF is addressed? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/unity-system-compositor/add-display-config-option/+merge/262110
[10:28] <greyback_> alan_g: approved
[10:28] <alan_g> greyback_: thanks. :)
[13:42] <alan_g> kdub: thoughts? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/workaround-1441553/+merge/269008/comments/676875
[13:45] <kdub> alan_g, left a comment, i think a clearer comment is along the lines of "this number should be however many buffers the system has"
[13:46] <kdub> although, that number is part of what will be deprecated with NBS, so, its hopefully a short lived comment anyways
[13:47] <alan_g> kdub: thanks
[13:53] <alan_g> kdub: does this phrasing work?
[13:54] <kdub> alan_g, seems more accurate and clearer to me at least
[13:54] <alan_g> Good enough for me.
[14:08] <camako> seb128, intel has a bug, so GL apps render black under mir-on-x.. Sw apps render ok. A new Mesa driver is being released, which according to RAOF, should fix the issue.
[14:09] <camako> seb128, this is how I run it : bin/mir_demo_server --platform-input-lib lib/server-modules/server-mesa-x11.so.4
[14:09] <camako> from a terminal
[14:13] <alan_g> camako: it was working on my wily system end of last week. Still broken on vivid this week, I assumed the drivers got updated.
[14:14] <camako> alan_g, what happens on vivid?
[14:14] <alan_g> the client hangs without painting
[14:16] <alan_g> But there's also the VT switching bug.
[14:18] <alan_g> Which I didn't have last week
[14:59] <robert_ancell> Why is it that GLES can do images in format GL_UNSIGNED_INT_2_10_10_10_REV in glTexSubImage2D but not GL_UNSIGNED_INT_8_8_8_8_REV?
[15:02] <anpok> o_O
[22:01] <josharenson> mterry: maybe I'm thinking about this wrong.. I'm running configure_file on qmldir and installing it in the binary directory. This is great. However, the plugin.h and plugin.cpp files need configuring too, but they are source files. Should there be 2 different files in the source dir (plugin_full.h && plugin_integrated.h) OR should I run configure_file on a "master" plugin.h file, and "copy" them to the source directory (seems wei
[22:01] <josharenson> mterry: that probably isn't very clear, so let me know if you need clarification
[22:11] <mterry> josharenson, naw you can just say add_definition(-DLIGHTDM_MODE=1) or -DGREETER_MODE=lightdm or something and check that with preprocessor logic
[22:11] <josharenson> mterry: ack
[22:12] <mterry> josharenson, I guess you'd use a target-specific version of add_definition.  I think it's like set_target_properties or something
[22:12] <josharenson> mterry: I'll check that out too


[02:18] <robert_ancell> jbicha, hi
[02:18] <robert_ancell> jbicha, still confused by bileto...
[02:18] <jbicha> robert_ancell: happy Sunday (!)
[02:19] <robert_ancell> jbicha, oh, congrats on the core membership!
[02:19] <jbicha> https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/indicator-sound/build-with-vala36/+merge/325859
[02:19] <robert_ancell> oh, I just have to approve the MPs?
[02:19] <jbicha> I'll talk to Seb next week about seeing whether Core Dev should be part of those indciator teams
[02:19] <jbicha> yes
[02:20] <robert_ancell> jbicha, what's the "private set" issue?
[02:20] <jbicha> that patch came straight from ricotz so I assume he knows what he's doing with vala :)
[02:20] <jbicha> the other MPs were mine
[02:21] <robert_ancell> jbicha, the indent issue is not just a warning, it must fix a bug right? Or was 'pos' not being used?
[02:22] <jbicha> I don't know anything about dee, I just guessed there :|
[02:22] <jbicha> it fixed the build but I didn't know how to test functionality for it
[02:22] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I thought the comment was a bit misleading as it has actually changed the code
[02:23] <jbicha> robert_ancell: if you want, I could ask Ken about that next week since he's touched dee more in the past
[02:27] <robert_ancell> jbicha, MPs all updated
[02:29] <jbicha> that's amazing work on gnome-software 3.20
[02:29]  * robert_ancell misses the Unity volume indicator that didn't plonk itself in the middle of the screen over the video you're watching
[02:29] <jbicha> the Xenial branch was always too confusing for me to do much with it before
[02:29] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I still can't believe I got to the end of it
[02:30] <robert_ancell> We do still have 44 patches, which is a bit scary.
[02:30] <robert_ancell> I'm going to a sprint with hughsie in a week though so I'll see if we can reduce that a little
[02:31] <jbicha> robert_ancell: you're running Artful now, right?
[02:31] <robert_ancell> yep
[02:32] <jbicha> robert_ancell: did you get the gnome-software update I pushed yesterday? Add-ons>Fonts and Input Sources now works from the homepage :)
[02:32] <robert_ancell> I didn't notice, but nice work!
[02:33] <jbicha> hughsie did the work, I just pointed out the issue to ximion and cherry-picked
[02:35] <robert_ancell> The lack of 'bzr cherry-pick' always annoyed me. Such a handy feature
[02:36] <robert_ancell> Sure you can do 'bzr merge -c' but it doesn't have the same nice feel
[02:40] <jbicha> robert_ancell: the part about bileto I have the most trouble with is its handling of commit messages
[02:40] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dee/1.2.7+17.10.20170616-0ubuntu1
[02:40] <robert_ancell> huh, It didn't pick up my change?
[02:41] <jbicha> I had the same problem with indicator-sound where I wanted to give ricotz credit for writing the patch
[02:42] <robert_ancell> Is there a bug open about that?
[02:42] <jbicha> maybe if I had rebuilt after changing the commit message…
[02:42] <jbicha> I don't think bileto is being actively developed
[02:43] <robert_ancell> ah, that would be it
[02:43] <robert_ancell> It must just copy over after the MP is approved
[02:47] <jbicha> robert_ancell: sorry to keep asking you stuff on the weekend, but what do you plan to do with LP: #1640605 ?
[02:47] <jbicha> should we just disable the tests?
[02:47] <robert_ancell> jbicha, pretend it doesn't exist?
[02:47] <robert_ancell> I would
[02:47]  * robert_ancell will be glad to see the back of unity-greeter. It has much bit rot.
[02:48] <robert_ancell> I hope the forked versions will tidy up and live a long life.
[02:48] <jbicha> slick-greeter doesn't integrate with Ubuntu indicators but whatever
[02:48] <robert_ancell> jbicha, yeah, seriously disabling the tests makes sense to me, because it's more work than it's worth to try and fix them.
[02:49] <jbicha> robert_ancell: can I drop unity-greeter's recommends on lightdm too?
[02:49] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I noticed there was an older fork the other day on github, not sure what it's state is
[02:49] <robert_ancell> jbicha, and change to a suggests?
[02:49] <jbicha> I don't think we want someone who has GNOME installed and then installs Unity to have that lightdm/gdm debconf question
[02:50] <robert_ancell> jbicha, ah, sure
[02:50] <robert_ancell> It's really only there for completeness, there's probably not a lot of people who install unity-greeter and wonder why it doesn't work without lightdm.
[02:50] <jbicha> gnome-shell all the way back to Xenial has an alternate dependency on lightdm to stop that question from now on (the SRU just landed for that)
[02:51] <robert_ancell> nice
[02:52] <robert_ancell> I hear my son has woken up, that's me for until they head back to bed (though not sure if I'll be doing much tonight, I think the g-s rebase work is all done now)
[02:52] <robert_ancell> jbicha, nice to catch up!
[02:52] <jbicha> good :)
[02:53] <robert_ancell> bye


[00:46] <wallyworld> qthepirate: there's no offical testing if ipv6 but as far as i'm aware, juju does not explicitly not support ipv6. there was a time when it complained if lxd was set up with ipv6 but i think that may no longer be the case. but as i said, it's no tsomething that is officially tested or supported yet
[00:56] <qthepirate> right
[00:56] <qthepirate> I know it works perfectly fine with standard hosts, just not LXC's
[01:02] <qthepirate_> Damn!  Is there a way i can stop that?
[01:03] <wallyworld> not sure sorry
[01:03] <wallyworld> maybe ipv6 with lxd on juju is a simple tweak. lxd itself supports ipv6 just fine
[01:04] <qthepirate_> its probably just an implementation thing then.
[01:08] <qthepirate_> theres a bunch of charms that have "prefer ipv6" built into them already


[00:35] <BUGabundo> stupidest bug yet https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/380738
[00:35] <ubot4> BUGabundo: Error: This bug is private
[00:38] <bencrisford1> lol, ive had peope zoomed in on firefox pages
[00:38] <bencrisford1> and reporting it as bugs
[00:40] <hggdh> BUGabundo, the bug is now public
[00:43] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[00:44] <BUGabundo> bencrisford1: only believe it if I see it
[00:44] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: ^^^^
[00:44] <kklimonda> thanks hggdh :)
[00:45] <kklimonda> hggdh: bug 364433 - is it wishlist or low?
[00:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 364433 in empathy "IRC default settings for FreeNode have incorrect server hostname" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364433
[00:46] <kklimonda> also.. there was one more bug to set to Low now when you are here.. where were you, stupid bug..
[00:46] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: have you read it ?? ehehh that all bug should be *deleted*
[00:46] <hggdh> kklimonda, wish, yes
[00:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: why?
[00:47] <BUGabundo> its plain stupid
[00:47] <BUGabundo> and lots of ppl giving him even more attention
[00:47] <kklimonda> hggdh: set bug 364433 to low - see my comment
[00:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 364433 in empathy "IRC default settings for FreeNode have incorrect server hostname" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364433
[00:47] <BUGabundo> ups I just did
[00:47] <kklimonda> erm..
[00:47] <kklimonda> not this :D
[00:47] <BUGabundo> hggdh: actually it was Hobbsee to set it private
[00:47] <kklimonda> bug 365056
[00:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 365056 in comix "comix crashed reading .cbz with interlaced PNG" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365056
[00:47] <BUGabundo> kklimonda:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/380738
[00:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 380738 in suse "Accidental use of close by magnets may erase hard disks" [Undecided,Invalid]
[00:48] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it looks like a poor joke..
[00:48] <BUGabundo> hggdh: eerrr that's a lot of changes eheh
[00:48] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: or just to show how LP is fradgile
[00:48] <kklimonda> really poor.. :/
[00:48] <kklimonda> it's not like we and developers don't have too much work with real bugs already :/
[00:49] <hggdh> BUGabundo, ah, OK, I will reset to private
[00:52] <kklimonda> hggdh: he has also set a lot of bugs as duplicates - at least it looks this way from his profile..
[00:52] <kklimonda> (he i.e. ethana2)
[00:53] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: the account is now suspened
[00:53] <kklimonda> I sure hope so :)
[00:53] <BUGabundo> but the wrong is done
[00:54] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: there isn't much we can really do about it - some kind of rollback button for undoing all changes made by user would be nice though..
[00:55] <BUGabundo> only LP admins now can fix it
[00:56] <kklimonda> lol, there are two ethana2 users :D
[00:56] <hggdh> kklimonda, the account has been blocked, but if the duplicates are wrong, let's correct them
[00:56] <hggdh> oh yes. ethana2 -- the one left in -- is a real user
[00:57] <kklimonda> hggdh: yeah, I think I was looking at the wrong one :D
[00:57] <hggdh> kklimonda, heh
[00:57] <kklimonda> come on, why does the impostor use "real" name ? :D
[00:58] <hggdh> why s/he could open a new account with a nick already in use is the question. I guess the LP folks got some nice time finding this out
[01:42] <kklimonda> hggdh: you still online? :)
[01:44] <kklimonda> hggdh: why did you mark bug 364433 as private? :)
[01:44] <ubot4> kklimonda: Bug 364433 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/364433 is private
[02:15] <hggdh> kklimonda, cuz hobbsee had it marked as private -- since I do not know why, I would rather leave it private until I can check with her
[02:17] <kklimonda> hggdh: bug 364433 isn't the one made by troll.
[02:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 364433 in empathy "IRC default settings for FreeNode have incorrect server hostname" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364433
[02:18] <hggdh> kklimonda, sorry. I marked it private? I am getting senile...
[02:18] <hggdh> kklimonda, it is public
[02:18] <kklimonda> hggdh: I think you were just caught up in cleaning up trolling :)
[02:18] <hggdh> (and was, already)
[02:19] <kklimonda> hggdh: I have marked it as public after I've checked that it was probably just a mistake :)
[02:19] <hggdh> kklimonda, I beg your pardon, I indeed did it
[02:19] <hggdh> :-)
[02:21] <kklimonda> hggdh: You probabaly have mistaken it for the one made by troll
[02:21] <hggdh> most probably...
[03:02] <Slick666> Hi all, I'm looking to get this bug of mine triaged
[03:02] <Slick666> http://www.igep-platform.com/public_docs/MAN-PR-IGEP.0020-001.01.pdf
[03:02] <Slick666> doh
[03:02] <Slick666> sry wrong link
[03:03] <Slick666> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/379055
[03:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 379055 in evolution "Evolution Exchange Proxy miss-match with system" [Undecided,New]
[03:03] <Slick666> I was wondering if there was anything else I needed to add to the bug
[03:03] <Slick666> could someone take a look please?
[03:07] <hggdh> Slick666, if I remember correctly, OWA still does not work through a proxy
[03:08] <Slick666> I had the system running just fine with 8.04 before the upgrade
[03:09] <Slick666> it seems like what has changed has introduced a bug
[03:09] <Slick666> IMHO
[03:09] <hggdh> Slick666, you might try to define the proxy via gnome
[03:09] <Slick666> I have
[03:09] <Slick666> I've detailed in the bug that the issue is that....
[03:10] <Slick666> while firefox can push http, https, and ftp through the system proxy
[03:10] <Slick666> Evolution seem to only get http traffic
[03:10] <hggdh> yeah. I dimly remember this being worked on on a previous version of Evo
[03:11] <Slick666> hmmmmm
[03:11] <hggdh> will have to check upstream.
[03:11] <Slick666> ok
[03:12] <hggdh> I have subscribed to the bug, and will check on it as soon as I can
[03:13] <Slick666> ty
[03:13] <hggdh> Slick666, welcome
[03:14] <Slick666> It's a shame because my main motivation was to get the ability to book resources again
[03:14] <Slick666> sigh, oh well we'll figure this out ;)
[03:14] <hggdh> heh
[03:21] <bcurtiswx> hggdh may i PM you?
[03:22] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, yes
[04:33] <showard> Hey if anyone is free, can you check something for me: are bug 223192, bug 376793, bug 44058, bug 33249 all duplicates of each other?
[04:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 223192 in gnome-power-manager "Doesn't detect lid closing on Dell Inspiron 5150" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223192
[04:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 376793 in gnome-power-manager "HP 2140 Lid Close Not Detected" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/376793
[04:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 44058 in gnome-power-manager "suspend when closing laptop lid doesn't work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44058
[04:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 33249 in hw-detect "root partition once /dev/sdi1 then /dev/sda1" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33249
[04:34] <showard> sorry that last bug was bug 332249
[04:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 332249 in gnome-power-manager "Suspend (when Lid is closed) fails - HP530" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332249
[05:49] <kwall> Does setting a bug (say, bug 377983) to Invalid close it, or is there a separate state for closed bugs?
[05:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 377983 in firefox-3.0 "Lost Tab settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377983
[05:50] <micahg> Setting a bug to invalid is one of the closed states
[05:50] <kwall> evening, micahg
[05:50] <micahg> evening kwall
[05:50] <micahg> have you read this yet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[05:51] <micahg> Closed states are: Invalid, Won't Fix, Fix Released
[05:52] <kwall> Well, this one falls into the firefox-profile-b0rken state, which would correspond most closely to Invalid.
[05:52] <micahg> Yep
[05:53] <micahg> You could tell her that she doesn't need to delete the old profile to make the new one the default
[05:55] <kwall> RIght. At this point, using the new one should make it the default, or so I seem to remember. I never use the profile manager except for these bugs. ;)
[05:56] <micahg> yep, just select the profile you want and select don't ask at startup
[06:12] <Hobbsee> hggdh, I set it to private in the hope that people would ignore it, people wouldn't post to it (creating more mail), and that google wouldn't get around to caching it.
[06:14] <hggdh> Hobbsee, then I erred in making it public, and (fortunately) corrected myself putting it private again. Thanks
[06:15] <hggdh> and, of course, cheers ;-)
[06:15] <Hobbsee> hggdh: for bugs that really should die and not be resurrected, that's what's historically been done.  I don't think there's a set policy on it, though
[06:15] <Hobbsee> you're welcome :)
[06:16] <Hobbsee> whether that be because they're troll bugs, or bugs that disobey the CoC (bugs attacking people, etc)
[06:16] <hggdh> Hobbsee, it does not sound like a bad policy, so I guess we should keep it this way
[06:16] <Hobbsee> google and other search engines picking up that crap clearly is bad, so ...
[06:16] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:17] <hggdh> yeah
[06:18] <Hobbsee> there's no way to completely 'nuke' bugs, unfortunately
[06:18] <micahg> which bug is everyone talking about?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> at least people can't resurrect admin-deactivated accoutns now
[06:18] <hggdh> well, THAT is a gain
[06:18] <Hobbsee> indeed
[06:19] <Hobbsee> i tried to break it, but didn't manage
[06:19] <hggdh> micahg, bug 380738
[06:19] <ubot4> hggdh: Bug 380738 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/380738 is private
[06:20] <hggdh> OTH, I am not sure we should nuke them, anyway: they are part of history
[06:21] <hggdh> and, on the other other hand, there is really no way to get to these bugs nowadays, so it is pretty much lost history...
[06:21]  * Hobbsee responds to that empathy bug, too
[06:26] <micahg> hggdh: would bug 378502 be medium or high?
[06:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 378502 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox: Ctrl-W doesn't close window or tab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/378502
[06:27] <Hobbsee> wonfix; unreproducable, i'd guess
[06:27]  * Hobbsee waits for the bug to load
[06:27] <Hobbsee> oh, karmic
[06:27] <micahg> no, it's a real bug upstream
[06:27] <micahg> and was fixed
[06:27] <micahg> kde bug 190412
[06:28] <ubot4> KDE bug 190412 in general "ctrl+w shortcut not working" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190412
[06:28] <Hobbsee> hrm, that didn't get reassigned to kdebase
[06:28] <micahg> I was gonna take care of it
[06:28] <micahg> User triaged his own bug'
[06:29] <micahg> Was gonna mark medium -> triaged in kdebase
[06:29] <kwall> micahg: more like that, please ("user triages own bug")
[06:29] <Hobbsee> should probably be fix committed, actually, if there's a fix there
[06:29] <Hobbsee> although it looks like it got reverted
[06:30] <micahg> It says fixed in trunk under the last comment
[06:32] <micahg> Hobbsee: where do you see it reverted?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> oh, it appears i missed reading the last lin
[06:33] <Hobbsee> e
[06:33] <micahg> :)
[06:33] <micahg> High->Fix Committed?
[06:34] <Hobbsee> sounds good to me
[06:34] <hggdh> who does it? Hobbsee, will you, or should I?
[06:34] <Hobbsee> hggdh: feel free to
[06:34] <hggdh> roj
[06:34] <micahg> I did it
[06:35]  * micahg is in bug control now :)
[06:35] <hggdh> ah
[06:35] <hggdh> YES!
[06:35] <micahg> was approved Monday morning I think
[06:36] <hggdh> cool
[06:36] <hggdh> I do not remember seeing your application, though
[06:36] <micahg> nope, asac fast tracked me :)
[06:37] <micahg> I triaged > 200 Firefox bugs in one month
[06:37] <hggdh> heh. He had better, anyway
[06:38] <hggdh> well, welcome in
[06:38] <micahg> thank you :)
[06:38]  * micahg was overjoyed
[06:39] <hggdh> you deserved it
[06:39] <micahg> thank you
[06:39] <micahg> and double thank you for being my mentor
[06:39] <micahg> and teaching me the beginnings
[06:39] <kwall> micahg: 200+ bugs in 1 month? Studly.
[06:40] <hggdh> welcome, micahg. I did what should be done, anyway
[06:40] <micahg> that's why I was commenting earler about removing myself as a student
[06:40] <micahg> on the mentors page
[06:40] <micahg> but that I still have stuff to learn from you :)
[06:41] <hggdh> ah, OK. I had not understood it then (I did not know you were already in -control)
[06:42] <hggdh> and now... I got a beacon from the bed... good night, all y'all
[06:42] <micahg> night hggdh
[06:42] <hggdh> nacht, micahg
[14:40] <xteejx> Afternoon all
[14:52] <henry-nicolas> Hello everybody, I recently have been affected by this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/379079 that would be great if somebody could take a look at it. I guess that might impact a lot of user
[14:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 379079 in brasero "Can't burn a DVD in Brasero Disk Burner in Ubuntu 9.04" [Undecided,New]
[14:53] <xteejx> henry-nicolas, I'll have a quick look
[14:54] <henry-nicolas> xteejx: ok, thx
[14:54] <xteejx> hmmm i usually get that error when there is no disc in the drive
[14:55] <thekorn> henry-nicolas: looks like bug 270976 to me
[14:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 270976 in gst-plugins-bad-multiverse0.10 "[SRU] gst-plugins-bad0.10 needs rebuilding with mjpegtools to enable burning video with Brasero" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270976
[14:55] <thekorn> henry-nicolas: can you please test the fix from the linked PPA
[14:56] <henry-nicolas> thekorn: that bug seems to only occur while we try to burn SVCD or Video DVD, no ? I get that error also with data DVD
[14:56] <henry-nicolas> thekorn : yes, I will do that right now
[14:58] <thekorn> henry-nicolas: hmm, maybe
[14:59] <thekorn> Ampelbein: hi, do you have an idea about the bug mentioned above
[14:59] <henry-nicolas> thekorn: even with the updated gstreamer plugin, I still got the same error
[14:59] <thekorn> only if you have a minute, of course ;)
[15:00] <thekorn> henry-nicolas: Ampelbein is the person to talk to, he triaged this bug and might know more about it
[15:02] <henry-nicolas> thekorn: you mean he triaged 270976 ?
[15:04] <thekorn> henry-nicolas: no the one I mentioned, he also asked other people to attach the output of
[15:04] <thekorn> brasero -g > log.txt 2>&1
[15:04] <thekorn> maybe this would be helpful in your case too
[15:05] <thekorn> henry-nicolas: oh, nm, it is the same as --debug
[15:05] <henry-nicolas> thekorn: yes ;)
[15:10] <bddebian> Boo
[15:10] <xteejx> ahhhhhhhhhh dont scare us!
[15:10] <hacktick> dholbach: are you in spain?
[15:11] <dholbach> yep
[15:11] <bddebian> :)
[15:11] <xteejx> alright for some.........
[15:11]  * bencrisford1 wishes he was in spain
[15:11]  * xteejx does too
[15:12] <xteejx> hows the weather over there dan/brian?
[15:13] <hacktick> dholbach: so no BugJam today, I suppose?
[15:13] <xteejx> is bddebian bdmurray?
[15:14] <bddebian> Nope :)
[15:14] <xteejx> oops lol
[15:14] <xteejx> bddebian, sorry thought you were brian murray hehe :)
[15:14] <dholbach> hacktick: not for me :/
[15:15] <hacktick> dholbach: I
[15:15] <hacktick> m gonna cancel it then...
[15:15] <bddebian> xteejx: Nah, I'm a nobody :)
[15:15] <xteejx> bddebian, you're always here....i think you're telling fibs :P
[15:16]  * xteejx thinks the sun in Spain has got to someone
[15:16] <bddebian> Well it's kind of a legacy thing.  I've been REALLY poor with direct Ubuntu work for a while now :(  Though I hope some of the Debian work I do trickles down.
[15:18] <xteejx> I would've thought so when it all gets synced :)
[15:20] <xteejx> dholbach, When does everything finish over there in Spain, is it Friday?
[15:20] <dholbach> xteejx: friday is last day, yes
[15:22] <xteejx> All finished for the day then?
[15:37] <xteejx> so many people entering and exiting........worse than a strip club.....
[16:18] <Ampelbein> thekorn: hi, sorry just got back online.
[16:22] <Ampelbein> thekorn, henry-nicolas do you get the error trying to burn a video dvd or data dvd?
[16:24] <henry-nicolas> ambelbein: data dvd
[16:25] <Ampelbein> henry-nicolas: then i don't think it's got to do with the bug mentioned (270976)
[16:26] <Ampelbein> henry-nicolas: that one is just about encoding video dvd/cd
[16:26] <henry-nicolas> ampelbein: I don't think too, I attached a debug.txt file
[16:26] <Ampelbein> henry-nicolas: can you translate: Â«Â mkisofsÂ Â» est un lien symbolique vers un autre programme. Utilisez plutÃ´t le programme cible? i dont speak french
[16:26] <Ampelbein> ;-)
[16:26] <henry-nicolas> sure
[16:27] <henry-nicolas> It tells : "Mkisofs is a symlink to another software, please use the target software instead"
[16:27] <Ampelbein> ah, thanks
[16:27] <henry-nicolas> so, It might be disturbed because mkisofs is a symlink to genisoimage I think
[16:28] <Ampelbein> yeah, that's the problem
[16:29] <henry-nicolas> Ampelbein: It is also telling the same thing with cdrdao versus wodim
[16:31] <Ampelbein> henry-nicolas: i have a look now, why this happens, i get back to you shortly
[16:31] <henry-nicolas> Ampelbein: ok thx, I'll stay in the channel
[16:31] <thekorn> Ampelbein: thanks for looking at this bugs :)
[16:32] <micahg> hggdh: The KDE people laughed at me setting that bug to high importance last night
[16:33] <henry-nicolas> thekorn: Yeah and fixing it would be really great, because I'm worring about that bug to impact a lot of users...
[16:43] <Ampelbein> henry-nicolas: so far, i can't replicate here. but since i'm currently still at work, i can't access my home machine. i'll be home in 4-5 hours and will reply in the bugreport.
[16:53] <henry-nicolas> Ampelbein: Ok, thx
[16:53] <hggdh> micahg, not surprised. The other day I opened one on KDE (failed to install), and it was summarily invalidated with a "yeah, yeah, expected" response
[16:53] <micahg> ok
[17:35] <bencrisford> bdmurray: You around?
[18:24] <hggdh> bencrisford, Brian is marked away (he is at UDS), so your chances of getting hold of him are sort of slim ;-)
[18:36] <bencrisford> hggdh: Ah, ok
[18:37] <askand> Hi, I need some help debugging firefox crash constantly
[18:38] <kklimonda> askand: disable extensions and see if you can reproduce it then
[18:38] <askand> kklimonda: I can, no extensions installed
[18:39] <kklimonda> askand: in terminal do sudo force_start=1 /etc/init.d/apport restart - make sure that you get "* Starting automatic crash report generation: apport  [ OK ]"
[18:40] <askand> I can not use that method due to bug 314212 (falsly marked as fixed)
[18:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 314212 in python-apt "Apport unable to report crash -  urlopen error timed out" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314212
[18:40] <kklimonda> askand: then launch firefox and make it crash again - apport should kick in and ask if you want to upload report to launchpad
[18:40] <kklimonda> oh, it's you ;D
[18:40] <askand> yes ^^
[18:40] <kklimonda> askand: i couldn't reproduce it..
[18:40] <kklimonda> I have uploaded 60MB apport crash yesterday :/
[18:40] <askand> kklimonda: "That's because the "fix" is dumb and broken.  It will eventually timeout for someone, somewhere, with a slow connection."
[18:40] <kklimonda> askand: you can do it manually..
[18:41] <askand> seems to depend on the connection speed
[18:41] <kklimonda> askand: crash reports are in /var/crash
[18:42] <askand> kklimonda: how do I upload them manually?
[18:43] <kklimonda> ech.. you have to use apport-unpack /var/crash/<crash file> /tmp/apport/
[18:46] <kklimonda> the question is how to upload coredump so it can be processed by apport-retrace
[18:46] <kklimonda> hggdh: can you check some private report and see how is coredump attached? is it compressed? or maybe there is a wiki page about reporting crashes by hand?
[18:52] <charlie-tca> coredump is attached as a .gz compressed file
[18:55] <charlie-tca> and the report marked private if a coredump is attached
[20:43] <xteejx> Can someone check over what I've done with bug 380643 please?
[20:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 380643 in brasero "files with % in name within folder fail to burn" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380643
[20:43] <xteejx> Don't know how to check if its cdrecord etc, but it might not just be brasero thats the problem.
[20:45] <charlie-tca> Does linuxmint have it's own bugzilla?
[20:45] <charlie-tca> It may something they changed in the distro
[20:46] <hggdh> kklimonda, what bug #?
[20:46] <micahg> xteejx: check whatever format it was burned in to make sure the character is valid
[20:47] <kklimonda> hggdh: no need - i wanted to know how are coredump sent to LP
[20:47] <xteejx> micahg, I tried it myself as the default brasero burning options both in the root and within a folder, in rot folder the files were fine, in a folder, they weren't
[20:48] <micahg> Yes, but there are different burning formats, joliet and what not
[20:48] <micahg> make sure the character is valid in the format
[20:48] <xteejx> ohh ermmm in that case i don't know...it was the default with the windows compatibility box checked - maybe i should put that
[20:49] <charlie-tca> looks right to me
[20:50] <xteejx> Just updated it, just in case it gets missed
[21:17] <taxman> Hi, in general if I have a bug in an upstream project that is not reported either on launchpad or upstream, should I also report it upstream? I already reported it in lauchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/381429
[21:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 381429 in gnome-terminal "gnome-terminal doesn't handle Unicode complex text rendering" [Undecided,New]
[21:33] <kakemann> Hi, I have triaged my first bug, well, I have tried to, can anyone take a look at bug 381105 to see if I have done it correct?
[21:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 381105 in evolution "Handling of ftp links containing username and password" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381105
[21:40] <charlie-tca> kakemann: now you should click on "also affects project" and put the url to the evolution upstream bug in
[21:40] <kakemann> thanks, will do
[21:40] <charlie-tca> That will tie it to the ubuntu bug, and it should update automatically.
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Then you request a bug-control member mark it triaged and let us know what importance you think it should have.
[21:41] <charlie-tca> We use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance to determine importance
[21:43] <kakemann> I would think this is a low priority bug
[21:45] <charlie-tca> why?
[21:46] <kakemann> it only affects ftp links, and only links with username and password where the username contains a special character
[21:48] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance, "Ones that can be easily worked around" under 'Low' appears to agree with you.
[21:48] <charlie-tca> Thanks for helping. I marked it triaged for you
[21:49] <kakemann> thanks for your help
[21:49] <charlie-tca> It might be frustrating, but it is real easy to work around it
[21:49] <charlie-tca> And thanks a lot for forwarding it upstream. That really helps
[21:51] <kakemann> okay, I'll go looking for other "easy" bugs to work at :)
[21:51] <charlie-tca> great!
[21:57] <taxman> charlie-tca: should bugs usually be filed upstream too?
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Many of them should. If upstream maintains the source and Ubuntu does not modify it, the bug should go upstream, too.
[21:58] <taxman> ok, so the one I referenced in gnome-terminal, Ubuntu doesn't modify that, right?
[21:59] <charlie-tca> what number?
[22:02] <taxman> oh sorry, the link is above, but it's 381429
[22:04] <charlie-tca> Okay. I think it should be forwarded to Gnome-Bugzilla, but I don't know if it is a translation bug instead of a terminal bug?
[22:04] <charlie-tca> To be safe, you could upstream it, and they will mark it invalid if needed.
[22:05] <charlie-tca> I also tagged it regression-potential, since if it did work before, it is a regression and will get high priority
[22:06] <taxman> it's definitely not a translation bug since it's a bug in how it handles text pasted into the terminal. It's just not rendered correctly
[22:06] <taxman> but thanks very much for looking at it
[22:07] <taxman> I guess I'll file upstream, then connect it and see how it goes
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Okay, then it should go upstream. Thanks for helping with it
[22:07] <taxman> ahh good idea on regression-potential too
[22:12] <taxman> man I wish I wasn't such a dope with bugs so I could help more
[22:12] <charlie-tca> Took me 3 years to learn
[22:12] <charlie-tca> I'm a little slow sometimes
[22:13] <micahg1> taxman: don't be afraid to ask questions
[22:13] <micahg1> that's how we all learn
[22:14] <taxman> I'll try more. I think I filed this one correctly since it wasn't hard to tell what app/package to file it against
[22:25] <xteejx> How do you see who the developers are for a specific package, the one I want to know is mdadm, there are quite a few bugs that have regressed into Jaunty, and probably Karmic with RAID/md devices, and there doesn't seem to be anyone bothering with it
[22:25] <bencrisford> It will be in the source
[22:26] <bencrisford> in the changelog, you can see who's done what
[22:26] <bencrisford> and various other files say who the maintainer is etc
[22:26] <bencrisford> i cant remember all the details
[22:26] <bencrisford> let me consult my pocket packaging guide xteejx :D
[22:26] <xteejx> I know, I was kinda hoping maybe they would be here somewhere lol
[22:26] <xteejx> cheers ben
[22:27] <xteejx> it's just gonna be quite a problem for the server installs...
[22:27] <xteejx> everyone seems focussed on desktop
[22:27] <bencrisford> hmm, to get the source its:
[22:28] <bencrisford> sudo apt-get source mdadm
[22:28] <bencrisford> thats the package right?
[22:28] <xteejx> it is, but i already know that ben ;)
[22:28] <xteejx> I was trying to find their LP
[22:28] <bencrisford> i thought you would :P, im just running through it for my benefit
[22:28] <xteejx> maybe just give them a nudge or something
[22:29] <bencrisford> git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-mdadm/mdadm
[22:29] <xteejx> !search mdadm
[22:29] <ubot4> None found
[22:29] <xteejx> !info mdadm
[22:29] <ubot4> xteejx: mdadm (source: mdadm): tool to administer Linux MD arrays (software RAID). In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu8 (jaunty), package size 231 kB, installed size 660 kB
[22:31] <xteejx> ubotu is very helpful
[22:32] <bencrisford> xteejx: This might be useful if you havent already found it: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm
[22:32] <xteejx> just been on there hehe
[22:33] <bencrisford> oh
[22:33] <bencrisford> ill check out the motu channel and look for the scott bloke
[22:35] <xteejx> if you find him give him a little kick hehe
[22:36] <xteejx> omg chicken biryani 1 pound!
[22:36] <bencrisford> xteejx: I found that kirkland fella
[22:37] <bencrisford> the scott dude doesnt seem to be around
[22:37] <bencrisford> his nick is Keybuk though
[22:38] <xteejx> ahh ok
[22:39] <xteejx> well i'll leave a message on the bug report, confirm it and medium it
[22:39] <xteejx> actually triaged, theres enough info
[22:40] <bencrisford> lol stop making me jealous with the triaged thingy :P
[22:40] <bencrisford> im not in bc yet :P
[22:41] <xteejx> You should be soon i **think**
[22:42] <xteejx> you only get 3 months at a time you realise?
[22:42] <bencrisford> meh
[22:42] <bencrisford> i applied 3 weeks ago, i hope that doesnt count on my 3 months :S
[22:42] <xteejx> nahh it doesnt
[22:42] <bencrisford> in fact i applied probably several months ago
[22:42] <bencrisford> sent my application 3 weeks ago
[22:43] <bencrisford> bdmurray: Don't suppose you're around? :)
[22:43] <xteejx> doubtful, he's probably in bed
[22:43] <bencrisford> at this hour!
[22:43] <bencrisford> :P
[22:43] <xteejx> 11:43PM
[22:43] <bencrisford> i would if i was at the UDS
[22:44] <bencrisford> but that wont happen until 15.10 or so probably :P
[22:44] <bencrisford> (yep, i worked it out :P)
[22:44] <xteejx> there is schedule somewhere on the wiki
[22:44] <bencrisford> for the karmic one?
[22:44] <bencrisford> or for all of em
[22:44] <bencrisford> whats on the schedule?
[22:45] <xteejx> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/
[22:45] <bencrisford> oh, yeah ive read that
[22:46] <bencrisford> ive been downloading live streams
[22:46] <bencrisford> listening in on the sessions
[22:46] <bencrisford> and taking part via gobby, and IRC
[22:46] <bencrisford> so im there in spirit :P
[22:46] <xteejx> where are the videos?
[22:46] <bencrisford> not sure :S
[22:47] <bencrisford> the videotaped sessions will be released after
[22:47] <bencrisford> when they've been edited
[22:47] <bencrisford> etc
[22:47] <bencrisford> the unofficial ones taken by attendees are somewhere
[22:47] <kklimonda> bug 381371 - any ideas what's going on? looks like python-central is trying to compile modules and somehow fails (permission denied..)
[22:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 381371 in python-numeric "package python-numeric 24.2-9ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381371
[22:47] <xteejx> i dont even know where the jaunty ones were put...... lol
[22:49] <bencrisford> kklimonada: Hmf, if its all in that terminal log
[22:49] <bencrisford> its gonna take a lifetime to read...
[22:49] <bencrisford> and i dunno why its uploaded in an archive :/
[22:49] <kklimonda> bencrisford: scroll to the bottom
[22:50] <kklimonda> bencrisford: apport does it this way - if log is (relatively) big it is compressed
[22:50] <bencrisford> ok
[22:50] <bencrisford> well, first thing i think we should put the actual error from the log in the description
[22:51] <xteejx> someones getting good..... ;)
[22:51] <kklimonda> yeah
[22:51] <bencrisford> ?
[22:51] <xteejx> also get the few lines before it, an error log except is no good without knowing what context its it
[22:51] <xteejx> *in
[22:52] <kklimonda> bencrisford: I'm working on that - but I wanted opinion about it - for example does it look like a python-central book
[22:52] <bencrisford> Why not have a chat to the python peps
[22:52] <bencrisford> i dont know what their channel is
[22:54] <bencrisford> kklimonada: I updated the description a little at the top, making it clear hes using amd64
[22:54] <xteejx> #python is for python lol
[22:54] <bencrisford> no sh*t! :P
[22:55] <xteejx> !conduct
[22:55] <ubot4> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[22:55] <xteejx> haha
[22:55] <bencrisford> kklimonada: Crap, sorry!  I was updating after you and because im using edge I guess it deleted what you added
[22:55] <bencrisford> im really sorry
[22:56] <xteejx> omfg anyone watching FIVER in the UK? haha
[22:56] <bencrisford> nope
[22:56] <bencrisford> whats on?
[22:56] <xteejx> best not ben....
[22:56] <bencrisford> I thought you would be watching question time?
[22:56] <bencrisford> had you down as that sorta bloke :P
[22:57] <xteejx> nahhhh not me
[22:57] <bencrisford> :P
[22:57] <bencrisford> im kidding, but it was pretty good last week
[22:57]  * bencrisford has a politics forum
[22:57] <bencrisford> www.havingsomefun.net
[22:59] <xteejx> oh yes....politics..............
[22:59]  * xteejx yawns
[22:59] <bencrisford> :P
[22:59] <xteejx> !cohoba
[22:59] <ubot4> Factoid 'cohoba' not found
[23:00] <xteejx> !search cohoba
[23:00] <ubot4> None found
[23:00] <xteejx> thank god
[23:00] <bencrisford> kklimonada: I'm seriously sorry :(, please re-update it :/
[23:00] <bencrisford> !whats on FIVER?
[23:00] <ubot4> I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[23:00] <bencrisford> :(
[23:01] <xteejx> you really don't want to know, and i'm going off subject now, best quieten down hehe
[23:03]  * xteejx is not available for PM
[23:03] <xteejx> dont worry honestly
[23:03] <xteejx> anyway im off guys cya all tomorrow
[23:08] <kklimonda_> damn, my internet connection is doing some weird things..
[23:10] <bencrisford> did you get my messaged
[23:10] <bencrisford> launchpad deleted your update to the description
[23:10] <bencrisford> because i updated at same time :(
[23:10] <bencrisford> sorry!


[04:06] <luna> https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-194/
[07:38] <luna> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RWdELdiws4&t=5440s
[07:41] <luna> a lot of Ubuntu Unity in this weeks podcasts