[00:00] <llucas> thanks
[00:00] <ahoneybun> is that song copyleft or free to use?
[00:02] <valorie> i386 test underway
[00:02] <llucas> ahoneybun https://www.bensound.com/royalty-free-music/track/sunny
[00:03] <llucas> There are credits at the end of the video
[00:04] <ahoneybun> cool adding them to the video desc as well
[00:04] <ahoneybun> uploading now
[00:06] <llucas> ahoneybun make it unlisted for now
[00:06] <ahoneybun> yea sure
[00:06] <ahoneybun> https://youtu.be/unPuBIsPLTQ
[00:10] <valorie> success! and now dinner
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[02:05] <valorie> doing the amd64 auto-resize test
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[02:36] <valorie> well this sucks: worked  reboot, when it seemed to froze. Eventually got into console: [numbers which change every report] systemd-journald[998]: Failed to send WATCHDOG=1 notification message: Transport endpoint is not connected
[02:36] <valorie> 3 of 'em now
[02:38] <valorie> seems to start ok after a hard reboot via the power button though
[02:43] <DarinMiller> valorie: when kubuntu hangs on restart, it's usually waiting for a process to terminate.  I use alt-printscreen-reisub and have never had an issue afterwards.
[02:46] <valorie> I waited 5 minutes
[02:46] <valorie> it was the step where it asks you to remove the USB
[02:46] <valorie> and hit return
[02:46] <valorie> nuttin
[02:47] <valorie> so this wasn't Kubuntu, it was ubquity or so
[02:47] <DarinMiller> yup, seen it many times, although recently, I see it less...
[02:48] <valorie> I've not seen it, but then I usually upgrade
[02:48] <valorie> not install
[02:48] <tsimonq2> How's it comin' along guys and gals?
[02:50] <DarinMiller> upgrading my main desktop to artful now.  I have not pulled down the daily's yet to try another round of installs.
[02:50] <DarinMiller> upgrade is almost complete, will be downloading shortly...
[02:51]  * DarinMiller is watching/listing to these series of vids during the upgrade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oXH2nHZchk
[02:51] <DarinMiller> absolutlely adorable...
[02:52] <valorie> hmmm, I wonder if this BR should be against grub2 instead, because it was after grub
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[02:53] <DarinMiller> BR?
[02:55] <valorie> bug report
[02:57] <DarinMiller> duh
[02:59] <DarinMiller> "The upgrade has completed but there were errors during the upgrade process."  time to reboot.... let the fun begin :)
[03:03] <DarinMiller> upgrade complete.  I am amused it kept my custom downloaded 4.10 kernel as the default...
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[03:11] <valorie> as of now, 4 of 6 on amd64, half on i386
[03:12] <valorie> I'll write to the list for more
[03:12] <valorie> and then try to get into my failed test of yesterday I guess
[03:12] <DarinMiller> Overall status update or number of installs you completed?
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[03:14] <valorie> I've completed 2 and another fail
[03:14] <valorie> I bet there are more but they are not yet on the qa site
[03:16] <DarinMiller> fail <> good. I can verify once my upgrade is "sorted".  Most upgrades were not "completed", but "sudo apt update" seems to be addressing them....
[03:17] <valorie> there is an upgrade test now too
[03:17] <valorie> doing it on this install
[03:19] <valorie> hmmm, test case is wrong
[03:19] <valorie> we don't have "upgrade-manager"
[03:21] <DarinMiller> I would have to mark my upgrade as a "2nd try mostly a success"... my apt-cacher db upgrade "failed" but I was to continue with the rest.
[03:21] <DarinMiller> rebooting, brb
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[03:41] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu is marked as ready.
[03:41] <tsimonq2> Bedtime...
[03:41] <DarinMiller> gn
[04:56] <acheronuk> LTS upgrade? impossible
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[05:00] <valorie> acheronuk: do you think it's worthwhile to disable that test and make some changes in the other?
[05:00] <valorie> we don't have "update-manager"
[05:01] <acheronuk> can we disable it? I have marked normal one as passed, as I already tested upgrades from 17.04 yesterday
[05:01] <valorie> I think so
[05:02] <valorie> I'll see if I have the perms necessary
[05:03] <acheronuk> need to revise our upgrade methods anyway, as discover can no longer trigger them
[05:03] <acheronuk> or offer them
[05:04] <valorie> hmm
[05:04] <valorie> well, I can't disable that I can see so I'll ask
[05:05] <valorie> IMO all the flavors who have LTS upgrade  need it disabled this time around
[05:05] <acheronuk> as far as I see, that won't block us being marked as ready anyway. for the isos at least
[05:06] <valorie> right
[05:07] <acheronuk> a little later this morning I will make sure we have coverage on all test cases. at least in a VM anyway
[05:07] <valorie> hopefully some folks will end up reporting tests they have already done
[05:08] <acheronuk> indeed
[05:08] <valorie> asked onlist again, and on kubuntuforum
[05:09] <acheronuk> cool. next release we need a better plan and coordination with our release team, but was too late this time really
[05:11] <valorie> it already seems better to me than in the past, but then I wasn't in charge before
[05:11] <valorie> I like the way everyone pitches in
[05:11] <valorie> love it, actually
[05:11] <acheronuk> and maybe think how we coordinate/communicate across timezones, as we have distinct groups in different ones
[05:12] <acheronuk> yeah, I wasn't saying we were bad this time. just think about how to do it better.
[05:13] <valorie> oh me too
[05:13] <acheronuk> hi hateball
[05:13]  * acheronuk hands hateball an iso to test :P
[05:13] <hateball> hi :)
[05:13] <hateball> oh
[05:14] <hateball> I tested 17.04 -> 17.10 a week or so ago, that worked fine
[05:14] <acheronuk> lol. no worries. it was what we were discussing when you joined, that is all
[05:15] <valorie> hateball: now there is a place on the qt tracker to report that
[05:15] <acheronuk> I tested 17.04 -> 17.10 as well. even with full backports PPA upgrades installed on 17.04
[05:15] <valorie> I would appreciate a report if you can
[05:15] <acheronuk> that worked
[05:16] <valorie> iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[05:16] <acheronuk> and I'm going to try not to break that this cycle!
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[05:17] <hateball> well I am at work now so I have no time to test sadly, and I am trying to keep myself awake at all after a too long night of playing Borderlands 2 :|
[05:17] <valorie> heh
[05:18] <acheronuk> no problem
[05:19] <valorie> hateball: I didn't mean to test but just to report the test you already did
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[06:15] <valorie> acheronuk: what is our equivalent package-name (LTS times) to update-manager ?
[06:16] <valorie> and I'm wondering if there is a way to tickle it into skipping 17.10?
[06:16] <valorie> or should I just use cli
[06:16] <acheronuk> valorie: I was going to use cli for this
[06:17] <acheronuk> cli to trigger
[06:17] <acheronuk> let me try in a sec
[06:17] <valorie> probably faster
[06:17] <valorie> and it's already after 11
[06:17] <acheronuk> I'm just installing loads of KDE stuff first, to test more of an upgrade
[06:19] <acheronuk> yay. and a plasma crash. Xenial is nasty now compared with new plasma
[06:19] <valorie> nope, no way to skip
[06:20] <valorie> no crashies for me so far
[06:20] <valorie> if this takes to long I'll just let it finish while I snooze
[06:22] <valorie> too long
[06:30] <acheronuk> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[06:30] <acheronuk> Upgrades to the development release are only
[06:30] <acheronuk> available from the latest supported release.
[06:32] <acheronuk> going to drop that and do ISOs for now
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[06:38] <valorie> my brain is fried and this is sorta fun, so I'll keep mine going
[07:42] <valorie> so the artful upgrade is underway, which is cool
[07:42] <valorie> I ain't staying around to see it finish though
[07:42] <valorie> given that it's a quarter to one
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[09:47] <llucas> hey when you plan to made release announcement public?
[09:48] <llucas> about kubuntu 17.10?
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[10:00] <acheronuk> llucas: when the release team in #ubuntu-release decide all is go. best thing to do is ask/lurk there
[10:02] <llucas> and normally that is around?
[10:03] <acheronuk> llucas: when I asked, I was told "Mid-afternoon seems likely."
[10:03] <acheronuk> that is UK time
[10:08] <llucas> ok thanks for the info
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:54] <acheronuk> https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-17-10-artful-aardvark-is-released/
 👍🏻
[14:24] <llucas> valorie why there is no link to the video  https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-17-10-artful-aardvark-is-released/ ?
[14:25] <acheronuk> llucas: I didn't know the video was on youtube yet
[14:26] <acheronuk> llucas: if you have a link, I can add it
 it's up just unlisted right now
[14:27] <acheronuk> a link?
 https://youtu.be/unPuBIsPLTQ
[14:28] <acheronuk> cool. I will get that on there
[14:30] <marco-parillo> 17.10 Release Announcement G+'d. I see somebody already tweeted it. I will do FB tonight (EDT) unless somebody beats me to it.
[14:31] <acheronuk> llucas ahoneybun: now added
 thanks @acheronuk
[14:33] <acheronuk> llucas: how can I credit you on that?
 The last frame has credits I believe
 ah, ok
[14:37] <llucas> yep it has
[14:38] <llucas> btw please share it on our social channels ;)
 Can someone make the video public
 I personally don't like the wording on it
 We have not replaced those apps
[14:41] <acheronuk> tweeted the video. that's all I have access for (on official accounts)
[14:41] <acheronuk> mparillo marco-parillo can do more later I think
[14:41] <marco-parillo> G+'s the video
[14:41] <llucas> CliffordTheBigRedDoggie you mean description ot the video?
[14:42] <marco-parillo> s/s/d/
[14:42] <marco-parillo> Replaced on the ISO, but still in the archives is more accurate, but a bit of a mouthful, correct?
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[14:47] <acheronuk> anyway, thank you so much llucas :D
 The description on YouTube about the video
[14:48] <marco-parillo> Hmm, I thought I could create new posts on KFN, but I cannot in
[14:48] <marco-parillo>     Home
[14:48] <marco-parillo>     Forum
[14:48] <marco-parillo>     Important Information
[14:48] <marco-parillo>     Announcements
[14:48] <marco-parillo>     Kubuntu Announcements
[14:48] <marco-parillo> hmm, I may not post new threads to: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/forumdisplay.php/30-Kubuntu-Announcements
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[14:48] <marco-parillo> !@#$ webchat
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 Don't think we need to say replaces
[14:50] <acheronuk> mparillo: the admins there need to set some permissions before you can do that on that subforum
[14:50] <llucas> acheronuk sure no problem I think that for kubuntu 18.04 we could make something even better (with voice over maybe)?
 Maybe something like this release showcases VLC, x, y and z
[14:50] <acheronuk> llucas: yes, that sounds a good plan
 Llucas would you mind coming along to our meetings?
[14:51] <acheronuk> as long as it's not MY voice!
 Would love to hear your ideas
[14:51] <llucas> acheronuk well there are paid sites for that like fiverr
 Ricks voice would be good :)
[14:52] <marco-parillo> I can see valorie has posted to https://www.kubuntuforums.net/forumdisplay.php/30-Kubuntu-Announcements
[14:52] <marco-parillo> But it is pretty early for her.
[14:52] <acheronuk> it would!
[14:53] <llucas> https://www.fiverr.com/categories/music-audio/voice-overs?source=side-menu for 10 ten $ you can hire professional voice, just saying
 Oooo wonder would anyone want my voice!
[14:56] <llucas> btw should not amarok start with a big letter Amarok? just for consistency ?
[14:56] <mparillo> There was a dog listening to a Victrola that was the symbol of RCA, with the line, "His master's voice".
[14:57] <acheronuk> mparillo: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php/72513-Artful-Aardvark-17-10-released
[14:57] <mparillo> You have the magic.
[14:58] <acheronuk> wow. their [youtube] embed tags make the video big!
 high 5 to all who worked on 17.10 release ! :D
[15:12] <yofel> ok, except for some dolphin crashes on session restore my notebook now happily runs 17.10
[15:16] <acheronuk> hmmm... that sounds vaguely familiar
[15:20] <yofel> https://paste.kde.org/ppdovkmui
[15:21] <acheronuk> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379314
[15:23] <yofel> thanks
[15:25] <acheronuk> nothing says a fix has been pushed, but I guess since no reports against 17.08.x, it seems possible something fixed it
[15:39] <acheronuk> did not know this existed https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/
[15:40] <yofel> nice catch, neither did I
[15:41] <clivejo> must only been setup in August
[15:41] <clivejo> seems very snap oriented
[15:42] <acheronuk> clivejo: snap a python application ;)
[15:43] <clivejo> yeah, haruld is looking at that to snap mycroft
[16:00] <mamarley> Has it been announced what BB will be called yet?
[16:05] <BluesKaj> mamarley, have you been assigned to gather suggestions ? :-)
[16:06] <mamarley> No, just curious.
[16:06] <BluesKaj> yeah, wonder when testing begins in earnest
 congratulation guys for the release
 Fwd from Kubuntu: Kubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark is released … https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-17-10-artful-aardvark-is-released/ … Kubuntu 17.10 has been released, featuring the beautiful Plasma 5.10 desktop from KDE. Codenamed “Artful Aardvark”, Kubuntu 17.10 continues our proud tradition of integrating the latest and greatest open source technologies into a high-quality, easy-to-use Linux distribution. The team h
[16:23] <mamarley> Looks like IrcsomeBot's message-splitting functionality could use some work.
[16:26] <BluesKaj> problem is the release isn't in the repos yet
[16:27] <acheronuk> it is, but the meta is not updated yet to tell the upgrade tools that
[16:28] <BluesKaj>  why anounce it then actually do the official release 4-5 hrs later
[16:29]  * acheronuk shrugs at ubuntu release team logic
[16:31] <BluesKaj> yeah the 'buntu chats are flooded with.'It's not working"
[16:33] <clivejo> hi ronnoc
[16:39] <ronnoc> o/ clivejo how's release day going so far?
[16:40] <clivejo> bit of a waiting game
[16:40] <ronnoc> ahh yea makes sense :)
[16:40] <clivejo> for people to push the correct buttons and pull the right levers!
[16:41] <clivejo> did you see the release video ?
[16:42] <ronnoc> a few quibbles about PA failing on 17.10 on the Kubuntu forums so far - otherwise not much feedback there either yet. And no - I'm in EST and just got a chance to get away from work to check a few things. I will ASAP though.
 Is frameworks 5.39 a dependency of 5.11.1? When I added fw and plasma staging to my "problem" laptop the update to 5.11.1 worked fine.  Both prior attempts without fw staging resulted in partially functional desktop.
 not a dependency for building, but I did build against it. so should most likely be used together to be safe
[17:05] <acheronuk> both are in backports landing now
[17:09] <BluesKaj> i'll stick with 5.11.0 for now
[17:29] <acheronuk> mparillo: 5.11.1 is in backports landing
[18:00] <ronnoc> clivejo: I like the video a lot! Tastefully done and highlights new things well. If I was pressed for a niggle, it would be no links in video or description. But certainly quite a step-up from previous release announcement multimedia. \o/
[18:00] <ronnoc> shared on G+
[18:47] <ronnoc> Forum link to 17.10 audio issue (seems important) - in case someone has an idea. https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php/72510-No-audio-volume?p=405870#post405870
[19:45] <acheronuk> clivejo: you use google drive?
[19:45] <acheronuk> anyone for that matter
[19:46] <mparillo> I do
 @acheronuk, Yeah, for school.
[19:46] <acheronuk> ppa:rikmills/kio-grive
[19:47] <acheronuk> want that tested, as had to rebuild the signo-ui package from Xenial to get it working!
 Ack
[19:47] <mparillo> For AA?
[19:47] <acheronuk> the zesty and artful signon UI is broken
[19:47] <acheronuk> but odly the Xenial one works!
[19:48] <acheronuk> mparillo: yes
[19:48] <mparillo> I can do 64-bit with Plasma 5.11.1 or 32-bit as is?
[19:48] <vrmuppalla> acheronuk-there's also a bug in kubuntu 17.10 while adding google online account- it crashes. I opened launchpad bug.
[19:48] <acheronuk> mparillo: should not matter
[19:48] <mparillo> s/as is/Plasma 5.10.5/
[19:49] <mparillo> OK
[19:49] <vrmuppalla> kio-gdrive requires online account to be added before connecting.
[19:49] <acheronuk> vrmuppalla: that is what the rebuild of the signon-ui package from Xenial is trying to fix
[19:49] <vrmuppalla> ok, thanks,
[19:50] <acheronuk> vrmuppalla: I just used it here to access a google account and gdrive here :)
[19:50] <acheronuk> but want nore confirmation
[19:51] <acheronuk> vrmuppalla: you have a bug link?
[19:52] <vrmuppalla> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1723766
[19:52] <vrmuppalla> yes, that is the one- 1723766
[19:53]  * acheronuk pats ubottu
[19:53] <_Wens_> acheronuk signon-ui is working. Google account is create in systemsettins.
[19:54] <acheronuk> :)
[19:58] <mparillo> Strange. I added the ppa successfully, ran apt update && apt full-upgrade -y and All packages are up to date.
[20:01] <mparillo> You couldn't have snuck it into backports-landing?
[20:02] <acheronuk> mparillo: apt-get install kio-gdrive kaccounts-integration kaccounts-providers
[20:03] <acheronuk> mparillo: kio-gdrive, yes. but not signon-ui
[20:08] <mparillo> Now I see Online Accounts > Create > Google > Google signin successful > Allow > Done.
[20:08] <mparillo> In System Settings. The switch to Dolphin\
[20:09] <mparillo> Hmm, I forgot how I added it last time. It does not show up automagically under the Network Place
[20:11] <acheronuk> odd. it does here
[20:12] <_Wens_> acheronuk kio-gdrive copy files and folders is working
[20:12] <acheronuk> cool
[20:12] <mparillo> Could be my workplace firewall / proxy stuff, but re-booting to see if that explains it.
[20:14] <_Wens_> acheronuk delete and create not work.
[20:16] <acheronuk> _Wens_: I just deleted and created here. the deletion did not show up until I refreshed though
[20:19] <mparillo> Re-booting did not help. I can try to test from home tonight or, worst case, this weekend, but it sounds as if you have it working, and I have some special issue.
[20:20] <_Wens_> acheronuk yes, thank you
[20:20] <_Wens_> it is fine
[20:21] <acheronuk> I think kio-drive still needs some polish from KDE
[20:22] <vrmuppalla> acheronuk- it worked flawlessly (sep 27 download so plasma 5.10). They use 16.04 LTS as base so maybe that's why it worked.
[20:23] <vrmuppalla> Sorry, I meant it works flawlessly in kde neon I downloaded on sep 27.
[20:25] <acheronuk> vrmuppalla: that makes complete sense
[20:41] <valorie> oooo I get updates
[20:46] <_Wens_> acheronuk i run - kioclient5 exec gdrive:/
[20:47] <_Wens_> acheronuk I can now create and delete  files without refresh after this command
[20:48] <acheronuk> hmmmm
[20:50] <_Wens_> command from https://community.kde.org/KIO_GDrive#Usage
[20:51] <acheronuk> still odd
[20:52] <acheronuk> oh well, I said it still needs a bit of work upstream
[20:58] <clivejo> I can't get the Google Mail stuff working in KMail
[21:03] <valorie> I think the topic can be shortened, LOL
[21:06] <vrmuppalla> why is qupzilla using gnome keyring instead of kwallet even though its a kde app ?
[21:06] <tsimonq2> vrmuppalla: Because it just recently became a KDE app...
[21:06] <clivejo> its only just been move under KDE
[21:06] <clivejo> and will be called falkon
[21:07] <vrmuppalla> I believe that it can be built with gnome or kde integration and kubuntu chose gnome integration ?!
[21:08] <clivejo> it was sync'ed from Debian
[21:08] <vrmuppalla> ok.
[21:08] <clivejo> Kubuntu didn't choose gnome
[21:09]  * clivejo wonders are we building against KDE in KCI
[21:11] <clivejo> vrmuppalla: are you familiar with falkon?
[21:19] <vrmuppalla> Its still called qupzilla in kubuntu. I saw their website but I'll wait for it to hit the repos so updates are easier.
[21:22] <clivejo> yes, there hasn't been a release of falkon yet
[21:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_falkon build #46: STILL FAILING in 9 min 0 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_falkon/46/
[21:26] <valorie> vrmuppalla: afaik there is lots of knowledgeable help in the KDE community for the new Falkon project to get on its feet
[21:26] <valorie> people really want a KDE produced browser again!
[21:30] <clivejo> acheronuk: do you know what the root problem is with signon-ui?
[21:31] <acheronuk> clivejo: not yet
[21:31] <clivejo> so weird
[21:31] <clivejo> I removed my Google Account and tried adidng it back
[21:31] <clivejo> getting the same issue as above
[21:32] <acheronuk> yeah, it's odd that it stopped working
[21:32] <clivejo> I tried your package from PPA and still not working
[21:32] <clivejo> brb rebooting
[21:32] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_falkon build #54: STILL UNSTABLE in 18 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_falkon/54/
 Must need building against it
 @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie, that kio-gdrive was built 1st
[21:37] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_falkon build #47: STILL FAILING in 8 min 56 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_falkon/47/
[21:39] <clivejo> huh?
[21:39] <valorie> cool, the release sched for BB is already out
[21:40] <valorie> but I'll not trust it for now, until we have a name
[21:40] <tsimonq2> It's been out for three months now...
[21:40] <valorie> nice
[21:40] <valorie> that's corporate planning right there
[21:40] <tsimonq2> :)
[21:46] <clivejo> valorie: do you still have the telegram morse installed?
[21:46] <clivejo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde-telepathy/+bug/1070873
[21:48] <valorie> I don't think so
[21:49] <valorie> apt-cache policy telegram-morse
[21:49] <valorie> N: Unable to locate package telegram-morse
[21:49] <valorie> did you mean telepathy-morse?
[21:49] <clivejo> its not in the archive
[21:51] <valorie> right, I think I remember testing from your PPA or KCI
[21:52] <valorie> in the misty past
[21:52] <clivejo> but you don't still have it installed?
[21:52] <valorie> I have telepathy still
[21:52] <clivejo> morse?
[21:53] <valorie> dunno
[21:54] <valorie> apt-cache policy ^morse doesn't find anything with morse in it installed
[21:54] <valorie> something you want me to test again?
[21:55] <clivejo> it isn't in the archive
[21:55] <clivejo> nevermind
[21:56] <valorie> oh huh, it seems I can see old chats from telepathy that linked to telegram
[21:56] <valorie> so it worked at some point
[21:56] <valorie> but the same search with ^telegram doesn't find anything
[22:02] <valorie> ok, got the kubuntu isos seeding
[22:02] <valorie> now for the rest of 'em
[22:02] <valorie> probably should prune off the 17.10s first
[22:03] <valorie> I mean 17.04 gosh
[22:04] <mparillo> acheronuk: OK from home, on a regular (Plasma 5.10.5) AA, your kio-grive PPA works perfectly.
[22:05] <clivejo> mparillo: did you already have Google account linked and setup in "Online Accounts"
[22:05] <mparillo> As soon as I signed in using System Settings > Online Accounts, I got a notification. I clicked on it, and it opened Dolphin to my GDrive
[22:05] <mparillo> No, I used System Settings to create the link
[22:05] <mparillo> Signed into Google, gave it all requested permissions, and up popped the notification.
[22:06] <mparillo> So I do not know if the problem is the corporate networking or upgrading to 5.11.1
[22:13] <mparillo> Picking a new AA VM now. Added backports-landing. Upgrading to KF 5.39 / Plasma 5.11.1 (this will take a while). And I will re-run the gdrive test from your PPA.
[22:20] <clivejo> acheronuk: adding your ppa fixes it for me
[22:22] <acheronuk> I wish I knew why
[22:22] <clivejo> there is a comment on bug report saying latest git fixed it for them
[22:22] <clivejo> there are commits in August
[22:23] <acheronuk> clivejo: I built that latest as a test. was still broken
[22:23] <clivejo> where you build it?
[22:24] <acheronuk> pbuilder
 eek!
 sbuild ftw
[22:24] <clivejo> very strange
 pbuilder is very strange indeed
[22:25] <acheronuk> tsimonq2 is very stange
[22:25] <clivejo> the bug, you silly mare
[22:25] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I agree. :P
[22:25] <tsimonq2> Now who wants to help test my debhelper merge from Debian? :P
[22:27] <clivejo> ooo darn fire
[22:29] <valorie> yay, all torrents added and some already seeding
[22:29] <valorie> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ if anyone wants to do it too
[22:31] <acheronuk> clivejo: August snapshot building in https://launchpad.net/~rikmills/+archive/ubuntu/kio-gdrive-test
[22:34] <mparillo> Clean AA VM. Upgraded to Plasma 5.11.1 / KF 5.39. Added ppa:rikmills  apt install kio-gdrive kaccounts-integration kaccounts-providers System Settings > Online Accounts > Google > Sign in > Allow all access > Done
[22:35] <mparillo> I get the notification, click and dolphn opens to my GDrive. So, I blame the work network administrators
[22:35] <acheronuk> mparillo: good to know
[22:36] <clivejo> I blame Simon
[22:37] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Blame me for what?
[22:37] <clivejo> EVERYTHING
[22:37] <acheronuk> lol
[22:37] <clivejo> in Ubuntuland
[22:37] <tsimonq2> Excellent. Award me with 10 more hours in the day and I can fix everything. :P
[22:37] <clivejo> grrr publish
[22:37] <clivejo> do it
[22:37] <clivejo> now
[22:37]  * valorie awards tsimonq2 24 hours per day
[22:38] <valorie> just like the rest of us!
[22:38] <acheronuk> patience
[22:38] <clivejo> I don't have any!
[22:41] <clivejo> clicks refresh over and over
[22:42] <clivejo> section: gnome?
[22:42] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/canonical-websites/www.ubuntu.com/issues/2322
[22:42]  * acheronuk shrugs
[22:42] <tsimonq2> I am human Lintian. :P
[22:42] <clivejo> why rik
[22:42] <clivejo> why
[22:42] <acheronuk> why what?
[22:42] <clivejo> gnome
[22:43] <tsimonq2> valorie: But but but I need 34 :P
[22:43] <acheronuk> probably Jeremy whatsit
[22:43] <acheronuk> and that breaks my google account set up
[22:44] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Soller?
[22:44] <tsimonq2> Or Bicha?
[22:44] <acheronuk> now back to signon-ui segfaulting again
[22:44] <acheronuk> 2nd of thsoe
[22:45] <acheronuk> There was an error while trying to process the request: userActionFinished error: 2
[22:46] <acheronuk> clivejo ?
[22:46] <tsimonq2> What did clivejo do now? :P
[22:47] <acheronuk> he is hopefully testing
[22:47] <acheronuk> or chasing Max round a dark field
[22:48]  * acheronuk whistles.. Max Max Max....
[22:48] <tsimonq2> Or building his wall...
[22:48] <tsimonq2> :P
[22:49] <acheronuk> going to have to do git builds of that, and bisect to find last good commit
[22:49] <clivejo> confirmed
[22:49] <clivejo> wall is built
[22:49] <acheronuk> confirmed broken?
[22:49] <acheronuk> oh
[22:49] <clivejo> yeah broken
[22:50] <acheronuk> well, at least not just me then.
[22:50]  * acheronuk kills that ppa
[22:50] <clivejo> whats the diff between the working one and latest git?
[22:51] <acheronuk> about 2 years
[22:51] <acheronuk> anyway, I've had enough. has been a long day
[22:52] <valorie> thank you for all your work today acheronuk
[22:52] <acheronuk> :)
[22:52]  * valorie slides a JD on  the rocks towards acheronuk
[22:52] <acheronuk> mmmmmmm....
[22:53] <valorie> I think Artful sets us up pretty well for Bashful Baboon
[22:55] <valorie> heh, all but two torrents are already seeding
[22:58] <tsimonq2> Bai acheronuk
[23:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_merger build #980: SUCCESS in 11 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_merger/980/
[23:19] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_ruqola build #69: STILL FAILING in 7 min 0 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_ruqola/69/
[23:22] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_ruqola build #85: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_ruqola/85/
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[19:02] <balloons> tsimonq2, great writeup! http://tsimonq2.net/blog/2016/04/27/
[19:05] <wxl> tsimonq2: but you might want to check your comments thing at the bottom.
[20:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: looks fine to me :)
[20:36] <tsimonq2> balloons: thanks, gotta revise some things :)
[20:37] <wxl> hm don't work here
[20:37] <wxl> oh
[20:37] <wxl> nevermind. blocked.
[20:40] <tsimonq2> :/ k


[12:28] <sabdfl> dudes
[12:45] <kiko> sabdfl!
[12:46] <sabdfl> hey kiko
[12:46] <sabdfl> just starting work on your present
[12:46] <kiko> fixing some issues linkchecker popped up
[12:47] <kiko> interesting issue though
[12:47] <kiko> http://localhost:8086/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+sources/evolution/+pots/evolution-2.2/st/+translate
[12:47] <kiko> sabdfl, the targets of each Facet link are really non-obvious
[12:47] <sabdfl> yes
[12:47] <kiko> I fixed the obvious errors, but the result is very confusing
[12:47] <sabdfl> remember i was saying that the inheritance idea wasn't as smooth as i'd hoped, in brazil
[12:47] <kiko> yes
[12:48] <sabdfl> the fact that you can switch context is jarring
[12:48] <kiko> the way it should be (IMO)
[12:48] <sabdfl> ?
[12:48] <kiko> is that we should be under one context
[12:48] <kiko> and then have subcontexts
[12:48] <sabdfl> except....
[12:49] <kiko> that would hopefully cover the depth of rosetta and malone
[12:49] <sabdfl> it's almost as though, when you mouseover the "Bugs" link, the breadcrumb related to the relevant context should be highlighted
[12:49] <sabdfl> SOME sort of visual cue as to *what* +bugs you'll be looking at
[12:49] <kiko> hmmm
[12:49] <sabdfl> i know that's crack
[12:49] <kiko> well
[12:49] <kiko> the visual cue I'm thinking of would be clear
[12:49] <kiko> Product: Mozilla Firefox
[12:49] <sabdfl> but that's what i found myself looking for - some idea, when i click on the facet, where I'll be
[12:49] <sabdfl> we could work that into the page title
[12:49] <kiko> and then all the facets would apply to that product
[12:50] <sabdfl> but...
[12:50] <kiko> I am unhappy that it doesn't cover series though
[12:50] <sabdfl> it's not even
[12:50] <kiko> yes
[12:50] <sabdfl> bugs would drop you to product, if you were on translations, which are at a series level
[12:50] <kiko> because we have translations (and at some point bugs) for that series
[12:50] <kiko> but calendars would always be for products, I imagine
[12:50] <sabdfl> when we have bug-target-to-series that will be less of an issue
[12:50] <kiko> right
[12:51] <kiko> but calendar is still a problem :)
[12:51] <sabdfl> but the system will never be n-way symmetrical
[12:51] <sabdfl> ed zacchary
[12:51] <kiko> suicide run
[12:51] <kiko> how to solve, how to solve
[12:51] <kiko> well, be happy you're not the only one worried about that
[12:51] <kiko> :)
[12:52] <kiko> sabdfl, the immediate fix is quite horrific but works
[12:52] <kiko> can I send you a patch?
[12:52] <sabdfl> ah
[12:52] <sabdfl> hmm.
[12:53] <kiko> well, for some value of works
[12:53] <kiko> it stops us 404ing
[12:53] <sabdfl> no, land it if you think it's the right thing to do
[12:53] <kiko> and takes us to pages
[12:53] <sabdfl> with a review ;-)
[12:53] <kiko> perhaps not the right pages though
[12:53] <sabdfl> it sounds non-trivial
[12:53] <kiko> I was wanting your review, sneaky man
[12:53] <kiko> it's only like 30 lines
[12:53] <sabdfl> i am working on your gift
[12:53] <sabdfl> ok, privmsg
[12:53] <cprov> kiko: I've been working on some facets for soyuz, removing unreacheable links, in fact, creating specific facets classes for items in my domain, looks like we do have a symmetrical problem to solve or workarround.
[12:54] <kiko> cprov, makes me cry
[12:54] <sabdfl> i want to create a bounty facet too
[12:54] <sabdfl> i polished up the bounty system, it's ready to roll now
[12:54] <sabdfl> just as a registry
[12:55] <cprov> kiko: in which sense ?  I doubt you changed the same pieces I did.
[12:56] <kiko> cprov, well, the problem is rather difficult to solve. I think it requires some infrastructure
[12:56] <kiko> you shouldn't need to write complex code in the facets
[12:57] <kiko> the default handler should search through the parents and decide what/if to link to
[12:57] <kiko> cprov, can you get me dsilvers' pastebin url?
[12:59] <kiko> sabdfl, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileA7FOdg.html
[12:59] <kiko> sabdfl, and I don't even have a hole in the ground <wink>
[01:02] <sabdfl> kiko: do we have a calendar for a *sourcepackage*?
[01:02] <sabdfl> bugs looks fine
[01:02] <sabdfl> just calendar for a sp has me surprised
[01:02] <sabdfl> otherwise, looks perfectly reasonable
[01:07] <cprov> kiko: do we encourage complex code like that in facets ? I mean, nothing terrible wrong, but aren't we missing something in the facets infrastructure to reach our aims ?
[01:07] <Keybuk> ah, it helps to run "upgrade.py" before "security.py"
[01:07] <Keybuk> this explains a lot
[01:09] <sabdfl> Keybuk: :-)
[01:09] <sabdfl> the explosive kind? with the heads on them?
[01:10] <Keybuk> no, no, just ordinary plain ones from a few years back
[01:10] <Keybuk> try getting into a country if those fall out at passport control ;)
[01:10] <cprov> ehe, time to go. see you.
[01:14] <kiko> sabdfl, we don't have a calendar for a sourcepackage; then you do IProductOwner that raises a TypeError, which I catch
[01:15] <kiko> so we're safe there
[01:16] <kiko> hmmm
[01:16] <kiko> sabdfl, should the calendar be the calendar for the distro or distro release?
[01:17] <sabdfl> i don't know, honestly. none of them make sense as a switch from a pofile
[01:17] <sabdfl> perhaps these facests should just be disabled
[01:17] <kiko> I rather agree to be honest
[01:17] <cprov> somebody knows what this error means: testAnwersOnce (CVS.tests.test_CVS.PServerHelperTest) ... ERROR     (came from PQM failure)
[01:18] <sabdfl> i often find myself wanting to jump from the product world into the distro world, and not sure what the most efficient route is
[01:18] <kiko> cprov, an error in cscvs
[01:18] <sabdfl> cprov: hmm... try again
[01:18] <kiko> cprov, should be an odd timing issue -- just retry
[01:18] <sabdfl> sometimes cscvs does weird things with timing of process entries and exits
[01:18] <kiko> sabdfl, the most efficient route today is to go to the product overview page and through a portlet :-/
[01:18] <cprov> sabdfl: ok, I'll, thanks
[01:19] <sabdfl> kiko: not if you want to jump to distro with no Packaging data between that product and that distro
[01:19] <kiko> sabdfl, if you're happy with the patch, I'll land it. if you want me to disable facets, I can do that too.
[01:19] <sabdfl> i want to jump to /distros/ generally
[01:19] <kiko> sabdfl, ah
[01:19] <kiko> that's an interesting problem
[01:19] <kiko> I hadn't understood entirely
[01:19] <sabdfl> i *almost* think we want links to /distros/ and /people/ and /products/ and /projects/ somewhere on every page
[01:20] <kiko> well
[01:20] <sabdfl> remember the "pillars of launchpad"
[01:20] <kiko> I would argue that the frontpage is the way to go
[01:20] <sabdfl> sure
[01:20] <sabdfl> seen the new one?
[01:20] <kiko> sabdfl, how do I make it show up
[01:20] <sabdfl> its a bit busy but will come into focus with some tweaking
[01:20] <sabdfl>  /real-index.html
[01:21] <sabdfl> or staging.ubuntu.com
[01:21] <kiko> wow!
[01:21] <sabdfl>  [trivial]
[01:21] <kiko> portlets are crack though
[01:21] <kiko> you know that by now :)
[01:21] <sabdfl> not really... just need a tinge of colour to make them less important than the central page content
[01:22] <Keybuk> sweet
[01:22] <sabdfl> same for the "most active projects" listing, needs to be slightly "lower" than the core bit
[01:22] <sabdfl> the idea is to focus people on the registry, but tease them with translations, bugs, bounties etc
[01:22] <kiko> what about ubuntu?
[01:23] <kiko> or the distro world
[01:23] <Keybuk> if you look at ubuntu you see the "most active package" and "most active maintainer" and stuff?
[01:24] <sabdfl> Keybuk: could do, nice idea!
[01:25] <sabdfl> oops
[01:25] <sabdfl> i do believe the portlet on the home page is showing the LEAST active contributors
[01:26] <sabdfl> lazy fucks
[01:26] <sabdfl> hmm....
[01:26] <sabdfl> no, maybe the karma update scripts just haven't run on production yet, so we don't have karma data for anybody
[01:26] <sabdfl> the new karma cacheing ones
[01:27] <sabdfl> mpt: i'm going ahead with your page
[01:27] <sabdfl> it's a very good start, thank you
[01:27] <sabdfl> i understand your reservations, but i think we will deal with them one by one
[01:27] <sabdfl> calendars should not be using tabs, for a start
[01:44] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[trivial]  Update production email and staging configs for launchpad.net domain (patch-2281<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:15] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[r=salgado]  Temporary directory for GNUPGHOME and atexit register to remove it on normal termination, removing unused properties, polish on docstring. (patch-2282<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:47] <ddaa> Yay!
[02:48] <ddaa> I finally put the CVS parser stuff to the point where I can actually start working on fixing the python import problem...
[03:55] <kiko-zzz> congrats ddaa
[04:53] <Keybuk> stupid question time
[04:53] <Keybuk> I need to update two tables affected by each other's constraints
[04:53] <Keybuk> is there a way to do that?
[04:54] <elmo> remove the constraints temporarily?
[04:54] <Keybuk> I thought it'd work like that within a transaction (ie only check the constraints at commit) but it doesnt seem to
[04:58] <Keybuk> ah, SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED after the begin
[05:00] <Keybuk> though that doesn't seem to work
[08:12] <Madeye> Hi
[08:12] <Madeye> guys I'm getting this error message while trying to login to launchpad.
[08:12] <Madeye> The email address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which you're trying to use to login has not yet been validated to use in Launchpad. We sent an email to that address with instructions on how to confirm that it belongs to you. As soon as we have that confirmation you'll be able to log into Launchpad.
[08:13] <Madeye> if there is any admin right now, would they please re-send the confirmation key? and by the way, I have already confiremed, and I have already participated in some translation, so it's abvious its system problem
[08:50] <BjornT> Madeye: didn't you get a new validation email when you tried to login?
[08:50] <Madeye> BjornT, no
[09:05] <BjornT> Madeye: strange, you should have gotten an email. i'm not sure what's wrong
[09:06] <BjornT> Madeye: the one to talk to is salgado, but he's in Brazil, so he won't be around for a while (if he'll be around at all this weekend)
[09:07] <Madeye> he's the only guy who can help ?
[09:08] <Madeye> what a dectatorship in an open source movement :-)
[09:12] <BjornT> Madeye: i'm sure that other people can help as well (but salgado knows the most about these things), so you could try ask again when some more people are around. i'll try to take another look to see if i can find what's wrong.
[09:18] <Madeye> thank you
[09:24] <BjornT> Madeye: you could try go to https://launchpad.net/+forgottenpassword and type your email address there. then you should get an email with a link, where you can reset your password. after you've done that your address should be validated
[09:32] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[trivial]  fix bug 1810. (patch-2283<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:45] <Jad> BjornT, i've tried, but i havn't got the reset email yet
[02:42] <sabdfl> ddaa: rock on. then my weekend present is for kiko AND you


[13:07] <skookum> any word when do-release-upgrade -m server will find the new LTS?
[13:16] <zoli77> hi, why cant i pxe boot via NFS with Ubuntu 20.04?
[13:17] <zoli77> It worked with 19.10
[13:17] <zoli77> I have the same config
[13:17] <zoli77> also the ip=dhcp parameter is present
[17:04] <tomreyn> skookum: nothing definitive, but roughly in august
[17:05] <tomreyn> also, please move to #ubuntu for 20.04 questions
[17:25] <skookum> Thanks, no further questions your honour.
[17:25] <skookum> 😄


[00:04] <bryce> tjaalton: welcome back!
[00:28] <bryce> tjaalton: we should get the new xserver and input-hotplug stuff hooked in the next couple weeks (I'm out the 2nd half of July as well)
[00:33] <tjaalton> bryce: thanks!
[00:33] <tjaalton> bryce: yep, should be doable
[00:34] <tjaalton> I'll upgrade my laptop to see how it goes
[00:34] <bryce> btw, don't know if you saw  the libx11/xcb discussions on the list
[00:34] <tjaalton> I did, briefly
[00:34] <bryce> looks like xcb is causing issues, but they can be worked around.  Doing a non-xcb libx11 doesn't look feasible to me due to compiz dependencies on xcb
[00:35] <tjaalton> right.. it would be ugly
[00:35] <bryce> but I think we are going to need to pull in some xcb updates from that upstream in intrepid
[00:36] <tjaalton> upstream should merge the handoff patches, which would make it never to use locking anymore
[00:36] <tjaalton> IIRC
[00:36] <bryce> I suspect that's the plan, although I don't have details
[00:37] <tjaalton> the patches became public in March, but then nothing happened
[00:38] <tjaalton> I'll probably mail the pkg-nvidia-dev list (debian) about the nvidia mess
[00:38] <bryce> cool
[00:39] <tjaalton> and ask if they've noticed that the latest driver dropped support for gf5
[00:43] <tjaalton> I kinda like the new theme
[00:45] <bryce> I upgraded my main test box, but now I can't log in (some sort of Xinput error)
[00:45] <tjaalton> hum, mine works
[00:46] <tjaalton> this is my old laptop, but tomorrow(ish) I'll upgrade the X60s (intel)
[00:46] <bryce> yeah no idea.  I abuse the system by putting on lots of experimental stuff, so maybe it just needs a fresh reinstall
[00:48] <tjaalton> k, need to get some sleep before getting back to work :)
[00:48] <bryce> night
[00:48] <tjaalton> night ->
[00:49] <bryce> wow, phoronix knows a lot about our X plans for intrepid - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_810_alpha1&num=2
[01:21] <pwnguin> public mailing lists, public UDS, public forums, public irclogs
[01:32] <bryce> yes, but for a tech journalist to actually do research is still a thing of amazement
[06:47] <tjaalton> actually, the article only shows what upstream is up to, and those naturally end up in intrepid ;)
[06:47] <tjaalton> xserver 1.5 requires mesa 7.1 etc
[07:32] <superm1> tjaalton, where are you guys at so far on the nvidia stuff for intrepid?
[07:32] <superm1> anything that i can help with to get it rolling?
[07:36] <tjaalton> superm1: I just got back from vacation, but I guess the problem now is that the latest driver dropped support for GF5 series.. so upgrades are "problematic"
[07:36] <superm1> tjaalton, ugh, that's fairly ugly
[07:37] <superm1> so nvidia-new nvidia-new-new nvidia and nvidia-legacy now?
[07:37] <tjaalton> there were options on how to proseed, but none of them are painless
[07:37] <superm1> what were the proposed options for proceeding then?
[07:37] <tjaalton> probably not, the versioning in debian is more sane ;)
[07:38] <tjaalton> nvidia-...-legacy-96xx etc
[07:38] <tjaalton> let me dig up the post
[07:39] <superm1> the first thing that comes to mind for me is a meta package that depends on all of them
[07:39] <superm1> or recommends all of them
[07:39] <superm1> that has a debconf question that sets up symlinks
[07:39] <superm1> but that can get rather messy
[07:55] <tjaalton> tseliot: hi! what is the outcome of the discussion about the nvidia packages?
[07:56] <tseliot> tjaalton: we can use metapackages for different graphics card series which depend on the real packages
[07:56] <tjaalton> tseliot: but the real package names remain the same as in debian?
[07:57] <tjaalton> I'm about to mail them about the issue
[07:57] <tjaalton> ..that the latest driver dropped support for gf5
[07:58] <tseliot> we can use driver 96xx for GF5
[07:58] <tseliot> pitti wanted to see something like nvidia-glx-96
[07:58] <tseliot> nvidia-glx-177, etc.
[07:58] <tjaalton> that's basically what debian has
[07:59] <tjaalton> maybe he just wasn't aware of it
[09:14] <tjaalton> mvo: does a dist-upgrade to intrepid still require some hand-holding?
[09:14] <tjaalton> there was some package that needed to be installed before that..
[09:15] <mvo> tjaalton: yes and no, we fndutils needs to be upgraded before glibc, but we added a depeneds for this
[09:15] <mvo> so that should work
[09:15] <tjaalton> mvo: ok, cool
[09:15] <mvo> other than that I know currently of no extra hand holding requireed
[09:16] <mvo> fixed early last week IIRC (glibc is a bit of a beast :)
[09:16] <tjaalton> heh, I can imagine
[09:16] <tjaalton> laptop upgrading.. then on to flashy X stuff
[09:16] <mvo> tjaalton: did you had a chance to make package for the latest -ati and mesa for ati? with the r500 3d stuff :-D ?
[09:17] <tjaalton> mvo: -ati should be recent enough, mesa needs an upgrade for xserver 1.5 anyway, so when that lands it should work
[09:17] <mvo> tjaalton: let me know how it works for you (the uprade) I did some tests that looked ok, but gnome is in a lot of flux so sometimes it just refuses to upgrade because ubuntu-desktop is not installable
[09:17] <tjaalton> maybe this week, next week at the latest
[09:17] <mvo> rock!
[09:17]  * mvo hugs tjaalton
[09:17] <tjaalton> we'll run off to vacation, both bryce and I, after next week :)
[09:18] <tjaalton> so hopefully there's enough time to iron out the most critical issues that could pop up
[10:01] <tjaalton> mvo: the dist-upgrade went fine
[10:03] <mvo> great
[11:39] <tjaalton> bryce: I'm thinking of putting mesa changes to git.d.o on a branch like xorg/xorg-server
[13:12] <Q-FUNK> hm
[17:42] <bryce> tjaalton: do we have that many changes against mesa?
[18:33] <tjaalton> bryce: no, but it would be easier to pull stuff from upstream now that we need unreleased stuff
[18:53] <tjaalton> bryce: but it's not a matter of life or death, I can play with stuff on my own branch locally, and when it's ready I'll wrap up a package
[23:38] <tjaalton> bryce: looks like there'll be a new libdrm today :P
[23:38] <bryce> ooh!
[23:38] <tjaalton> which should help a lot
[23:39]  * bryce nods
[23:39] <bryce> wonder if the psb guys got their stuff into it
[23:43] <tjaalton> I think it's basically master without the ttm stuff
[23:43] <tjaalton> but could be wrong
[23:44] <bryce> once we get it in, I'll diff against the UME libdrm and see what remains


[19:10] <czajkowski> http://www.tjmcintyre.com/2012/01/adrian-weckler-confims-that-irelands.html
[19:12] <terran> czajkowski: Doesn't matter to us! Let Ireland sink I say
[19:12] <moylan> and people in ireland will ignore it like they do any law they disagree with?
[19:13] <czajkowski> terran: aloha there looking forward to fosdem?
[19:13] <terran> indeed!
[19:13] <terran> lots of Redbrick people going
[19:13] <terran> should be good fun
[19:14] <terran> are you taking the train?
[19:15] <czajkowski> yup
[19:15] <czajkowski> and taking part in it
[19:15] <terran> Lightning talk?
[19:21] <czajkowski> panel discussion
[19:22] <czajkowski> http://www.tjmcintyre.com/2012/01/adrian-weckler-confims-that-irelands.html
[19:23] <terran> you already linked that :p
[19:23] <czajkowski> wellthen you know so
[19:23] <czajkowski> :)
[19:37] <czajkowski> terran: any Skynet folks going?
[19:38] <terran> nope, just you and me
[19:38] <terran> tyrion and davem were going to but pulled out
[19:38] <czajkowski> sad to see the comp soc so dead tbh :/
[19:38] <czajkowski> you know in 2012 skynet will be 20 years old 5 years since skycon :/
[19:39] <terran> yeah it's pretty shocking that it's gone from best soc in ul to nothingness in 5 years
[19:39] <czajkowski> very sad :(
[19:39] <moylan> when did czajkowski leave again?
[19:40] <czajkowski> we worked so hard to get it whas
[19:40] <czajkowski> moylan: it was doing well for some time after I left
[19:40] <czajkowski> just seems like the last 2-3 years
[19:40] <czajkowski> it's not done any big eent or travelling
[19:40] <czajkowski> and we worked so hard to get it where it was just sad :(
[19:41] <terran> sure look at the committee, a bunch of kids who do nothing
[19:41] <terran> we have no admins who are still in UL
[19:41] <czajkowski> once we lose the server room that soc will die
[19:42] <czajkowski> seems fecking crazy ass to me
[19:42] <terran> they tried to organise a Christmas party but failed to email anyone or create a facebook event or anything
[19:42] <terran> and then cancelled it on the day due to 'lack of interest'
[19:42] <czajkowski> not making any use of past members who are in big named companies to help
[19:42] <czajkowski> would love a 1 hr meeting with the committee to *help* them
[19:42] <czajkowski> and so help me they'd have some thigns on their list after 1 hr!
[19:43] <czajkowski> http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/02/7/9/5/3763941010029450.jpg
[19:43] <czajkowski> would be me!
[19:43] <terran> I said fuck it I'm still going out and I managed to get 5 skynet people to come out with me and a big group of mbul people
[19:43] <czajkowski> nods
[19:43] <terran> in an hour of organisation
[19:43] <terran> and they said they couldn't get any interest after a month?
[19:43] <czajkowski> maybe they just dont know how based on the last couple of years
[19:43] <terran> useless bags of shit
[19:44] <czajkowski> do they even have a budget?
[19:44] <czajkowski> terran: language!
[19:44] <terran> apparently the finances are in order
[19:44] <terran> but with no events at all there's nothing to ask for money for
[19:44] <czajkowski> I would should I reach out and offer a google hangout meeting to help
[19:45] <czajkowski> they could get google speakers heanet redhat
[19:45] <czajkowski> many more based on old members
[19:45] <czajkowski> terran: think they'd like/appreciate a google hangout meeting with me
[19:45] <czajkowski> given they dont know me from adam
[19:46] <czajkowski> the fear of the wrath of cypher is long gone
[19:46] <terran> I'd say join #foobar and try to get their attention first
[19:46] <czajkowski> you there?
[19:46] <terran> red_ is the current pres
[19:46] <terran> yeah
[19:46] <czajkowski> ok you can introduce me to folks
[19:47] <ebel> hehe
[19:47] <ebel> sounds a lot like ucd netsoc aswell
[19:48] <ebel> this can happen to college societies, since people leave/graduation etc.
[19:49] <czajkowski> yes true
[19:49] <czajkowski> but if the soc dies
[19:49] <czajkowski> they lose their server room
[19:49] <ebel> yeah
[19:49] <czajkowski> and thousands of equipment are in there
[19:49] <czajkowski> and also my ssh connection to irc :)
[21:09] <czajkowski> terran: that was a healthy discussion
[21:10] <terran> yeah pity it was all between us older people and none of the current UL people except for acous
[21:10] <terran> hopefully the committee will read back through it
[21:10] <czajkowski> nods


[10:17] <nocturn> Hi, I'm writing an upstart config for a python application, what is the best way to not run the app as root?
[13:59] <xnox> nocturn: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#setuid
[13:59] <nocturn> Thank you xnox
[22:10] <eydaimon> i'm not able to compile this on fedora 18. I've tried every single version down to 1.5
[22:10] <eydaimon> STDERR: nih-dbus-tool:type.c:86: Not reached assertion failed in type_const
[22:10] <eydaimon> /bin/sh: line 4: 25053 Aborted                 /usr/bin/nih-dbus-tool --package=upstart --mode=object --prefix=control --default-interface=com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6 --output=com.ubuntu.Upstart.c ../dbus/com.ubuntu.Upstart.xml
[22:10] <eydaimon> anyone nkow?
[22:11] <xnox> eydaimon: which libnih are you using?
[22:11] <eydaimon>  /usr/bin/nih-dbus-tool --version
[22:11] <eydaimon> nih-dbus-tool (libnih 1.0.2)
[22:11] <eydaimon> hmm
[22:11] <eydaimon> odd I checked the version
[22:12] <eydaimon> well, it's high enough according to the docs
[22:12] <xnox> eydaimon: I'd recommend using libnih from lp:~upstart-devel/libnih/nih
[22:13] <xnox> eydaimon: it fixes  LP: #776532, LP: #777097, LP: #834813, LP: #1123588
[22:13] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/libnih/+bug/776532
[22:13] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/libnih/+bug/777097
[22:13] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/libnih/+bug/834813
[22:13] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.7/+bug/1123588
[22:13] <eydaimon> oie
[22:13] <xnox> among a few other bugs.
[22:13] <eydaimon> where do I get upstart-devel?
[22:14] <xnox> bzr branch lp:~upstart-devel/libnih/nih
[22:14] <eydaimon> there's no tarball with that?
[22:14] <eydaimon> I assume I will have to use --with-local-libnih ?
[22:14] <xnox> or you can fetch the tarball + diff.gz from the downloads section of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnih/1.0.3-4ubuntu16
[22:15] <xnox> eydaimon: we really should make a new libnih release. I will poke a few people about it.
[22:15] <eydaimon> thanks
[22:18] <eydaimon> I compiled, installed it, yet still get errors
[22:19] <eydaimon> trying to find the actual error now )
[22:19] <eydaimon>   CC     control.o
[22:19] <eydaimon> control.c: In function ‘control_register_all’:
[22:19] <eydaimon> control.c:381:2: error: ‘control_interfaces’ undeclared (first use in this function)
[22:19] <eydaimon> that's with upstart 1.8 and the libnih I just compiled
[22:20] <eydaimon> http://pastebin.com/FsVdQRNQ
[22:24] <eydaimon> any ideas?
[22:25] <eydaimon> i actually don't see it declared anywhere
[22:25] <eydaimon> [root@localhost upstart-1.8]# grep -ri control_interfaces *
[22:25] <eydaimon> ChangeLog:      as control_interfaces
[22:25] <eydaimon> init/control.c:                                control_interfaces, NULL));
[22:26] <eydaimon> must be from some lib which doesn't exist?
[22:36] <eydaimon> xnox: still around?
[22:38] <xnox> please file a bug, and we will look into it.
[22:39] <eydaimon> I don't have time to wait for a response so it's not really worth my time to file it unless it's very easy. Link to file?
[23:41] <eydaimon> xnox: well, maybe you guys are fast. Where do I file ticket?
[23:41] <eydaimon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart
[23:41] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+filebug
[23:41] <xnox> yeah.
[23:42]  * xnox should look into getting fedora / rhel / opensuse daily builds going.
[23:43] <eydaimon> I'm going to include the virtualbox image in the bug
[23:43] <eydaimon> maybe that will help
[23:44] <eydaimon> http://static.stasiak.at/fedora-18-x86-1.box
[23:44] <eydaimon> with vagrant (vagrantup.com)
[23:48] <eydaimon> xnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/1162072
[23:48] <eydaimon> I gave full steps to reproduce


[00:34] <rww> lol, valorie just used it in a blog post
[00:35] <valorie> I warned genii I was stealing it.....
[00:37] <k1l_> "my precious"
[03:39] <[asimov]> Why was [asimov] banned?
[03:39] <rww> ban evasion
[03:40] <[asimov]> false
[03:40] <rww> okay. are we talking about #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic?
[03:40] <[asimov]> sustained
[03:41] <rww> try one of the answers "#ubuntu" or "#ubuntu-offtopic"
[03:41] <rww> oh, you're ban evading here too
[03:41] <rww> !appeals
[03:42] <rww> See the wiki link to see how you should escalate this if you feel like we're wrong. You will be removed from this channel after your next message (upon which I presume you will have read this one).
[03:43] <[asimov]> you disagree?
[04:42] <valorie> such a meanie, rww
[04:42] <valorie> :-)
[04:42] <rww> that one's wasted a whole heck of a lot of operator time :(
[18:18] <k1l> [ODB2] (~ODB@<IP_ADDRESS>): Elliot Rodger      that realname is pointing into a direction
 yeh, if you hold down shift and press chink key
[18:21]  * Jordan_U wonders why they haven't been banned yet.
[18:21] <k1l> because if you swing the banhammer you are a bad op.
[18:21] <Pici> They've been warned enough
[18:21] <ODB2> yo
[18:21] <ODB2> why have I been banned?
[18:22] <Jordan_U> ODB2: You used racial slurs multiple times, which is never appropriate, and continued to do so after being asked to stop.
[18:22] <ODB2> Jordan_U I will refrain in future
[18:22] <ODB2> please would you kindbly unblock
[18:23] <ODB2> *kindly
[18:24] <Jordan_U> ODB2: First I'd like you to read the channel guidelines, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines , completely so that you understand what type of conduct is expected in #ubuntu.
[18:25] <ODB2> Language and Subject - Duly noted
[18:26] <ODB2> I however feel that your response was disproportionate
[18:26] <ODB2> in light of the racial slurs out there
[18:26] <ODB2> and in this particular incidence there was no such context of racial hatred
[18:26] <ODB2> however, I accept your ruling
[18:28] <Jordan_U> ODB2: Ok. Please do try to be more concientious of what you say in #ubuntu in the future, and remember that it is a technical support channel.
[18:28] <ODB2> Noted
[18:28] <Jordan_U> ODB2: Thank you. You should now be able to re-join #ubuntu.
[18:39] <Jordan_U> ODB2: Please change the "Real Name" field in your IRC client.
[18:43] <Jordan_U> ODB2: Your ban has been re-instated as I frankly expect that you will try to be intentionally offensive in #ubuntu again. Feel free to discuss your ban again, but realize that you'll have to convince us that you will not simply try to troll the channel again before the ban will be removed.
[18:46] <Havenstance2> ...How would one know that is not his real name? Pretty sure that there would be multiples in this world and I've Personally seen ODB2 on the server plenty of times in the past. In fact he has helped me with one or two issues in the past. Not second guessing you Jordan_U but rather offering a second opinion :)
[18:47] <Jordan_U> Havenstance2: It's possible, but that combined with the racial slurs is not likely to be anything but trolling. Is there anything we can help you with?
[18:47] <ODB2> we;;;
[18:48] <ODB2> I'm currently not on the channel as far as I'm aware
[18:48] <ODB2> but I do genuinely contribute at times
[18:48] <ODB2> feel free to keep the ban if you wish
[18:48] <ODB2> I don't see how I would be able to convince you otherwise
[18:49] <Jordan_U> ODB2: Contributions do not entitle you to troll. If you're done here please leave #ubuntu-ops per our no-idling policy.
[18:49] <phunyguy> "policy"...
[18:49] <ODB2> ta ta for now
[18:49] <phunyguy> (sorry, I hate that word)
[18:50] <Jordan_U> phunyguy: Any suggestion for a better word/phrase? "As per our channel topic"?
[18:50] <k1l> rule, guideline, law,...
[18:50] <phunyguy> Yes that sounds better
[18:51] <phunyguy> guideline != law/rule/etc
[18:52] <phunyguy> I think just quoting the topic is a good idea.  Because it really isn't as much of a rule as it is just a way of keeping the channel clear.
[18:53] <phunyguy> and since the channel is publicly logged, it shouldn't be that big of a deal for folks to be present... it just makes it easier for us to know who has an issue that needs to be resolved.
[18:54] <k1l> from my experience things get out of hands way faster if there are several users in here.
[18:54] <phunyguy> so?
[18:55] <phunyguy> this channel is to resolve issues/bans/etc.  That would happen regardless of someone being here.
[18:56] <k1l> no i dont agree on that
[18:57] <Jordan_U> phunyguy: My reason for asking this time was that I have other things to do, and if the aren't in the channel I don't feel as much of an obligation to check the channel regularly to follow up on a discussion I started.
[18:57] <Jordan_U> s/the/they/
[18:59] <phunyguy> Jordan_U, I don't see an issue with asking folks to leave.  I think we should just be more careful with words.  We have grown a habit of stating things are "rules"/"policies"/etc... but that isn't really what it is.
[19:00] <phunyguy> We have Guidelines, and a Code of Conduct.
[19:00] <phunyguy> neither of them mention idling in the -ops channel as being a rule.
[19:00] <Jordan_U> phunyguy: Thank you, I'll try to be more careful with my words in the future.
[19:01] <phunyguy> :)
[20:24] <bazhang> "A new version of /boot/grub/menu.lst  and trusty?
[20:31] <genii> I guess you could use grub1 instead of grub2 if you really wanted.
[20:31] <bazhang> or lilo
[20:32] <genii> Heh, yes
[20:32] <bazhang> !info yum
[20:32] <phunyguy> yeah those amazon images may very well use grub 12
[20:32] <phunyguy> 1**
[20:32] <phunyguy> it is entirely possible.
[20:34] <Jordan_U> echo "apt-get install yum; yum install lilo" | sudo bash
[20:34]  * Jordan_U feels dirty
[20:35] <phunyguy> lol
[20:36] <genii> Yes, yes you should.
[20:36] <phunyguy> that was brilliant