[00:01] <rww> indeed. irssi's /unban can take more than four arguments at once and autosplits them into groups of four though, it seems. so not too bad. just something to remember.
[01:25] <rww> LetsGo67 is now PMing me asking whether his gameboy thing will shock him. I don't think he understands my point :\
[01:31] <gnomefreak> ok it seems that the libreoffice PPA doesnt give you the PPA lines to add
[01:32] <IdleOne> add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa
[01:33] <gnomefreak> well damn that is too easy :)
[01:34] <IdleOne> also you could of done
[01:34] <IdleOne> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
[01:34] <IdleOne> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
[01:34] <gnomefreak> will it be nice and add it to my sources.list file or just the software sources
[01:34] <IdleOne> edit for correct version
[01:34] <IdleOne> should add it to sources.list
[01:34] <gnomefreak> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ubuntu natty main
[01:34] <gnomefreak> oh forgot ppas
[01:35] <gnomefreak> ppa
[01:35] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: thanks
[01:35] <IdleOne> if you click on Technical details about this PPA @ https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa it shows you the deb lines
[01:36] <IdleOne> no problem
[01:36] <gnomefreak> i dont see that on https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa/+packages
[01:36] <gnomefreak> oh i see the +packages is wrong
[01:48]  * Jordan_U suspects that boldfilter in #ubuntu is a troll
[01:53] <nhandler> Jordan_U: I'm not quite sure. Although some of the answers users are providing (due to not including much information) are dragging on the discussion quite a bit
[01:53] <IdleOne> rww: isn't bearblack in -women ban evading?
[01:54] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: for the record, !list is done on some networks for the clients which support it to display and/or send the requestee a list of pirated software/media downloadable, which the requestee can then request to be sent to them
[01:55] <Myrtti> atleast, this is what I've been told by people wiser than me
[01:55] <Myrtti> I've never actually seen how it should work, back in the Windows days I used other means.
[01:55] <IdleOne> Myrtti: in file sharing channels on other networks, that is what !list is used for
[01:56] <IdleOne> and yes usually illegal file sharing
[01:56] <gnomefreak> oh
[01:58] <Myrtti> the reason why !list on our bot mentions something about the bot commands is because a) some people really think that trigger might output the bot commands and b) for everyone to give the benefit of doubt and plausible deniability that the person who triggered the factoid really isn't after pirated stuff
[01:58] <IdleOne> there are a couple of very popular mirc scripts such as omen-script that use ! as a command prefix
[01:58] <Myrtti> atleast that's my theory ;-)
[01:58] <Myrtti> a sort of backdoor way of saving face
[02:00] <IdleOne> it actually uses @ moreso but also has !commands
[02:00] <IdleOne> anyway, a lot today about nothing.
[02:00] <IdleOne> :)
[02:02] <Myrtti> *sigh* three weeks in berlin, flights leaving in <12 hours and I've barely packed. Fun times.
[02:03] <IdleOne> Myrtti: what was that link for the board game you posted earlier today?
[02:03] <IdleOne> was that you?
[02:04] <Myrtti> probably wasn't me, but if we're talking of board games, Ticket to Ride Europe is fun
[02:04] <Myrtti> mind you, I'm so tired I can't even remember what I ate for dinner
[02:05] <IdleOne> haha it was you in -ot
[02:05] <Myrtti> oh, yeah. Angry Birds.
[02:05] <IdleOne> yup
[02:05] <Myrtti> I'm such a sad case, I needed to lastlog myself to see
[02:06] <IdleOne> I just linked pleia2 about it cuz she mentioned birds and pigs
[02:07] <IdleOne> blog to be posted in a few weeks from her hehe
[02:08] <Myrtti> right, need sleepzors.
[02:08] <Myrtti> nightynight lovelies
[02:08] <IdleOne> night
[02:10] <rww> IdleOne: nope. they're a known issue from -ot, though
[02:11] <IdleOne> rww: ok so it is the same person
[02:11] <tonyyarusso> hmm, how much should I charge someone to take apart and clean a laptop that was spilled on?
[02:11] <IdleOne> $50
[02:11] <IdleOne> sounds fair to me
[02:12]  * tonyyarusso was thinking higher
[02:12] <IdleOne> depends who it is
[02:12] <IdleOne> family?
[02:12] <tonyyarusso> No, daughter of coworker of family.
[02:13] <IdleOne> $80-$100
[02:13] <rww> IdleOne: according to my internet detective log grepping, yes
[02:14] <IdleOne> tonyyarusso: you could call up local shops and see what they would charge
[02:15] <IdleOne> but cleaning a laptop is a pain to be honest, sure you want to do it?
[02:15] <tonyyarusso> dunno
[02:15] <IdleOne> call around see what they would charge you
[02:15] <rww> It'll end up breaking because of the spill anyway. I wouldn't work on it, personally.
[02:15] <IdleOne> do it for $20 less, see if you can get info on time it would take to get it done
[02:16] <rww> but I'm non-confrontational, don't like people complaining about my work :(
[02:18] <IdleOne> tonyyarusso: I got a better idea
[02:19] <IdleOne> call around for best price and do it for $40 more, take it to the shop and then pick when it is done. :)
[02:19] <tonyyarusso> ha
[02:19] <IdleOne> not kidding :/
[02:19] <rww> I usually take Best Buy's prices and halve them. I still end up with more money than I'd otherwise feel comfortable asking for, and it makes a good talking point ;P
[02:20] <IdleOne> I think the question here is not how much to charge but more is it something you really want to do.
[02:20] <IdleOne> laptops are a pain
[02:51] <rww> DaGeek247: hello
[03:03] <rww> DaGeek247: Anything we can help you with?
[03:27]  * rww ponders unmuting ryaxnb and seeing if 5 days of social isolation did him any good
[03:29] <elky> If he hasn't noticed, then I doubt it.
[03:32] <tonyyarusso> Related question:  Has it done the channel any harm?
[03:33] <rww> not that I can tell
[03:33] <rww> assuming you mean the +q
[03:37] <IdleOne> it has been a lot quieter the past few days
[08:55] <elky> IdleOne, it's pretty much the wrong time of year to take ebb and flow to be any kind of indicator for pretty much anything.
[09:08] <rww> Hrm, any sign of that JackOfHearts/marcusdavidus guy today?
[09:09] <rww> ... hell of a hostmask on that Pr0n guy. Didn't notice that.
[09:10]  * rww ponders
[09:10] <jussi> rww: bleh, not nice at all
[09:11] <rww> ah, jussi is quicker than me.
[11:48] <bazhang> ton of !seen bot in #u
[11:49] <Tm_T> if someone has a time to find out the owner etc...
[11:50] <bazhang> tsimpson, thanks
[11:50] <Tm_T> that works too
[11:52] <tsimpson> if it was one, I may be more tolerant, but 5...
[11:52] <Tm_T> agreed
[12:03] <gnomefreak> we were talkig about libreoffice. i found out you did not need to remove OO.o to install it, however there are depends issues
[12:15] <gnomefreak> depends issues fixed :)
[12:41] <gnomefreak> what does metabot look for before tell ing us someone asked a question?
[12:42] <tsimpson> it looks for something like a question, then waits a while to see if someone "answers" them
[12:42] <tsimpson> that is, someone replies with the nick prefixed
[12:43] <gnomefreak> oh i was leavning the "?" out of it so it woulkdnt ping me but that didnt work
[12:45] <tsimpson> yeah, it doesn't require the '?', as many people don't always phrase their request as a question
[12:45] <tsimpson> or are just lazy and miss off the punctuation
[12:54] <LjL> gnomefreak: it uses a bayesian filter to decide whether something is a question. it's basically like your antispam filter
[12:54] <jussi> 4 mins iirc
[12:54] <jussi> oh, its a LjL! hai LjL!
[12:54] <gnomefreak> LjL: ah thanks
[12:56] <LjL> hey jussi
[12:57] <gnomefreak> hi LjL jussi
[13:02] <jussi> you know, sometimes you see the funniest hostnames... [14:51:02] --> skyvalve<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu-offtopic
[13:48] <IdleOne> unbanned with the hope that he gets the idea now.
[13:57] <gnomefreak> good luck with that ;)
[13:57] <IdleOne> hasn't returned yet
[13:57] <IdleOne> I guess he got the idea and one less ban in the list
[13:57] <gnomefreak> they _always_ return
[13:58] <IdleOne> sooner or later yeah
[14:00] <gnomefreak> its seems OO.o will be upgraded when you install libreoffice
[14:06] <ryaxnb> why am i +q in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:07] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: not sure but hold a few minutes and see if one of the -ot ops is around
[14:07] <ryaxnb> i already saw you earlier :(
[14:07] <ryaxnb> i need an -ot op, also why arent you an ot op?
[14:07] <IdleOne> I never applied to be one
[14:08] <IdleOne> topyli: can you see what you can do about ryaxnb +q in -ot?
[14:08] <ryaxnb> :/
[14:08] <ryaxnb> yay for topyli
[14:08] <topyli> sure
[14:09] <ryaxnb> so can u un -q me
[14:09] <ryaxnb> as far as  i  know i was never warned about anything and quite frankly im baffled for the reason.
[14:09] <topyli> certainly
[14:09] <ryaxnb> could it be a system bork?
[14:09] <IdleOne> patience :)
[14:09] <topyli> well, hopefully!
[14:09] <ryaxnb> system borks :)
[14:10] <topyli> hrm. i already have once, apparently i didn't do it very well
[14:10] <ryaxnb> hehe
[14:11] <topyli> alright try yelling please :)
[14:11] <ryaxnb> yay, thanks
[14:12]  * gnomefreak hopes it wasnt me. im too tried to -q people until after my nap
[14:14] <topyli> the one who quieted ryaxnb? that was me. i have removed it too, but with my usual level of accuracy
[14:15] <IdleOne> he should be able to talk in there now
[14:16] <topyli> aye
[14:16] <IdleOne> he hasn't yet
[14:16] <topyli> for better or worse! :)
[14:44] <jussi> bwahahah
[14:45] <jpds> Random.
[17:03] <Myrtti> well, we did wonder how long it would take for him to find out he's been quieted
[17:40] <h00k> A very exciting morning, apparently, in #ubuntu
[17:52] <mneptok> either mvanle took the time to make the lamest $realname ever, or is connecting from 1999.
[18:38] <LjL> the *porn*@* chanserv ban really misfired
[19:06] <jpds> backfired?
[19:07] <LjL> misfired as in got the wrong person
[19:09] <genii-around> Those ##politics spambots are annoying
[19:10] <h00k> Yes
[21:07] <rww> aert: Hi. Something we can help you with?
[21:09] <aert> rww: hi, no thank you, i was just wondering what ubuntu gurus are talking about on irc :)
[21:10] <rww> aert: You may want to try #ubuntu, then. The -ops channel is just for resolving disputes, and is thus rather boring and un-guru-y ;)
[21:11] <IdleOne> ungurie*
[21:11] <aert> rww: lol, i get it.
[23:15] <fishscene> So apparently, I triggered the ubuntu spam bot and was kicked from the channel for being afk. However, upon further analysis, It seems I was de-registered from freenode, is there a channel for freenode ops?
[23:19] <IdleOne> fishscene: #freenode but you appear to be cloaked now.
[23:21] <fishscene> sorry, just a sec. Phone call :S
[23:22] <fishscene> Yea, somehow I got decloaked. ok Thanks for the info.
[23:23] <IdleOne> fishscene: if there is nothing else, please part the channel.


[07:01] <slyon> akp55: hey! You can use the 'use-dns: false' in your 'dhcp4-overrides' (https://netplan.io/reference/#dhcp-overrides)
[17:17] <akp55> thanks slyon


[08:47] <merpil> Can anyone help me to fix this application, It's called bobba bar and is a virtual world for meetings,also see www.bobba.com, The app got EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT), If anyone know how to fix it, please download it on the appstore https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/bobba-bar-chat-meet-date-new/id336902087?mt=8


[08:39] <Grokling> Curly one for you guys.. I've just been looking at 15.4, thought I'd install it and see how it went on my desktop. BUT, there's no mouse pointer (I can tell it's there, because there are a couple of mouseover responses) To make matters worse, the installer isn't keyboard friendly beyond the first screen. Any ideas what's up with the invisible pointer? Graphics issue perhaps? The installer doesn't seem to be running in full screen (not sure if it
[08:39] <Grokling>  should?)
[08:39] <Grokling> Not sure how I can even troubleshoot it at such an early stage?
[08:41] <mgedmin> ugh, sounds painful
[08:41] <mgedmin> what's the video hardware on this machine?
[08:41] <mgedmin> (the installer is not a full-screen app)
[08:42] <mgedmin> anyway, missing mouse cursor is most likely a driver bug
[08:42] <mgedmin> *video driver
[08:42] <Grokling> I have two nvidia GT210 cards - real basic cards.. solid state, and they're not supported properly by the 'current' nvidia drivers - I needed to use the legacy drivers in mint for them to work properly.
[08:44] <darkxst> missing cursor usually means gnome-setting-daemon, thinks the idle-monitor is missing
[08:44] <Grokling> I'm picking it's a driver bug/issue. But, how can I fix that if I can't install?
[08:44] <mgedmin> lack of keyboard-friendliness also seems like a bug :/
[08:46] <darkxst> Grokling, log into live session, launch dconf-editor, goto org->gnome->settings-daemon->cursor and disable it
[08:47] <Grokling> I only started down this rabbit hole because latest chrome causes gpu freezes, which is fixed in a more recent kernel, and patched in a later mesa lib. so I updated both of those, and that broke my graphics spectacularly.  Thanks to whoever set up the mouseover actions, I have a rough idea of where it is though..
[08:50] <Grokling> Aaaactually.. I launched terminal, fired up dconf-editor, and now I have a mouse pointer. bizzare.
[08:51] <Grokling> org->gnome->settings-daemon->[peripherals, plugins]  no cursor mentioned there.
[08:51] <Grokling> plugins->cursor
[08:51] <mgedmin> mouse pointer everywhere or just while it's over certain windows?
[08:51] <darkxst> plugins->cursor
[08:52] <Grokling> I can see the cursor everywhere at the moment.
[08:53] <darkxst> the cursor plugin was (its gone in 3.16) meant to only hide cursor on touchscreens, but if something goes wrong it can get confused
[08:54] <Grokling> Okay - well, since I have a mouse at the moment, I'm going to hit up the install and see how far I can get.
[08:54] <Grokling> You're right though, not having a keyboard friendly installer is a minor problem for edge cases like me.
[08:55] <mgedmin> it's a major problem for people with disabilities :(
[08:56] <Grokling> True that.
[09:26] <Grokling> Okay. Installed, and rebooted. Two of my screens have come 'on' (the #1 graphics card). But they're both entirely black. ctrl+alt+f2 gets me a tty which I can log into okay. Where to from here?
[09:27] <Grokling> tty seems to have proper resolution, and no black border which is a great start.
[09:44] <mgedmin> debugging nvidia issues is beyond my {area of expertise,patience}
[09:44]  * mgedmin is buying laptops with intel video specifically to avoid nvidia
[09:49] <Grokling> amen to that. Although, I did buy a Dell, and it has nvidia (seems to work just fine though)
[09:49] <Grokling> Seems like the solution is to boot with nomodeset, then install the proprietary driver. Fingers crossed that it works!
[10:16] <Grokling> It worked. Nearly. Now to make an xorg.conf that works..
[10:19] <darkxst> you shouldnt really need an xorg anymore (and you may in fact find ubuntu overwrites if your try to make one)
[10:19] <darkxst> ^xorg.conf
[10:26] <Grokling> You also shouldn't use nvidia graphics, or run four screens off one machine.. Because I need to use the proprietary driver, I have to use the proprietary tools to configure it. xorg.conf is the result. Just takes a little careful iteration, and I'll get there!
[10:31] <Grokling> At least, I think I do. Not sure on the status of xrandr vs xinerama, or the likelihood that gnome is using compiz(which xinerama can't handle)
[11:10] <mgedmin> gnome 3.x is using gnome-shell, which is not compiz
[11:11] <mgedmin> xrandr is good, xinerama is sort-of-obsolete, but xrandr emulates it AFAIU
[11:11] <mgedmin> I've heard that modern nvidia proprietary drivers support xrandr at last
[11:52] <Grokling> mgedmin, I'm not winning here..  If you know a mixture that'll work for me, I'm all ears. I have two nvidia GT210 1GB cards. I've had them running four screens up until recently. Can't manage to get ubuntu-gnome any further than two on the first GPU.
[11:52] <Grokling> I was using xinerama.
[11:54] <darkxst> Grokling, xinererama is gone
[11:55] <darkxst> atleast I think so, nvidia blobs support xrandr fully these days
[11:55] <darkxst> that said I've never tried 2 GPU's
[11:55] <Grokling> Okay.. bring me to the future. I have the 340.76 driver, and I 'think' based on some results that xrandr 1.4 should be supported.
[11:56] <darkxst> have 4 outputs on my 1 GPU
[11:57] <Grokling> displayport monitors?
[11:57] <darkxst> no, 2 DVI and 2 HDMI
[11:57] <berglh> are they all connected?
[11:57] <darkxst> its just a cheapo GTX750
[11:58] <darkxst> yes
[11:58] <Grokling> Nice! I could only find ones that would take displayport when I was looking. So went with two cards.
[11:58] <berglh> interesting
[11:58] <Grokling> So, xrandr.. how?
[11:58] <berglh> can't you daisy chain display port?
[11:58] <darkxst> Grokling, paste xrandr -q
[12:00] <darkxst> or paste the result of the command even
[12:00] <berglh> *tumbleweeds*
[12:01] <Grokling> will do - have to get it off that machine into the interwebs somehow.. It's coming..
[12:01] <mgedmin> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[12:01] <mgedmin> xrandr -q | pastebinit
[12:01] <mgedmin> then copy the url here
[12:05] <Grokling> Mission! Everything is tangled up.  Anyway: http://pastebin.com/Cj8v92S2
[12:06] <darkxst> Grokling, xrandr only detects 1 card?
[12:06] <darkxst> so that is all gnome will see
[12:08] <mgedmin> btw what does "xrandr --version" say about the server RandR version?
[12:08] <Grokling> xrandr needs to look harder..  xrandr --list-providers sees one provider, with four outputs
[12:08] <Grokling> mgedmin, 1.4
[12:08] <mgedmin> that's good
[12:09] <mgedmin> I wonder if /var/log/Xorg.0.log contains anything useful
[12:10] <darkxst> Grokling, maybe you need to --set-offload or whatever the command is
[12:11] <Grokling> mgedmin, I can see the NVIDIA driver there, detects two GPUs. Apparently it can't use base mosaic on this chipset.
[12:11] <darkxst> thats how the hybrid setups work, maybe its similar for 2 nvidia gpus
[12:12] <Grokling> Which explains why that doesn't work..
[12:14] <Grokling> var/log/Xorg.0.log => http://paste.ubuntu.com/11112683
[12:15] <darkxst> [  4619.611] (EE) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Errors:
[12:15] <darkxst> [  4619.611] (EE) NVIDIA(GPU-0):     - Unsupported GPU
[12:15] <darkxst> [  4619.611] (EE) NVIDIA(GPU-0):     - Chipset not approved for SLI
[12:16] <mgedmin> "Please see Chapter 29 in the README" O.O
[12:16] <mgedmin> the README has *chapters* and there are *at least 29 of them*
[12:17] <Grokling> Do we need SLI for xrandr though?
[12:17] <mgedmin> what even is SLI?
[12:17] <darkxst> Grokling, no, but you will need to setup xrandr offloading I suspect
[12:18]  * mgedmin reads about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Link_Interface
[12:18] <darkxst> mgedmin, its combines gpu's not well supported on lnux though
[12:18] <mgedmin> two GPUs for one monitor, for better performance, AFAICU
[12:18] <darkxst> mgedmin, yes
[12:20] <mgedmin> Grokling, do I understand it correctly that you have an Xorg.conf, and that it has only one Device section?
[12:20] <darkxst> in Grokling's case he probably wants --setprovideroutputsource and/or --setprovideroffloadsink
[12:20] <Grokling> offloading:  "Version 1.4 of the X Resize, Rotate, and Reflect Extension (RandR 1.4 for short) adds a way for drivers to work together so that one graphics device can display images rendered by another"
[12:20] <Grokling> That doesn't sound like it..
[12:20]  * mgedmin googles up https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA#Multiple_monitors
[12:21] <darkxst> Grokling, of course it does
[12:21] <mgedmin> "While the documentation lists a 2x2 configuration of monitors, Nvidia has reduced that ability to just 3 monitors in Base Mosaic mode as of driver version 304" hahaha *weeps*
[12:21] <darkxst> xinerama and the hacks that came with are long gone afaik
[12:21] <Grokling> mgedmin, let me check that - I just flipped it to use xinerama (seeing as i know that's at least supported on these chips!) so xorg.conf just changed again.
[12:21] <darkxst> so you can either run two X server
[12:22] <Grokling> interestingly xinerama spins up all my monitors, just doesn't paint them with anything.
[12:22] <darkxst> or use offloading
[12:23] <Grokling> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/319.12/README/randr14.html
[12:23] <darkxst> Grokling, mutter relies on xrandr
[12:23] <darkxst> not xinerame
[12:24] <Grokling> Ok, so I'll forget about xinerama for now, and have a crack at this offloading business.
[12:40] <Grokling> okay, so, the example given there sets the nvidia device as the primary screen. I have two. Accordingly I'm a bit confused by the whole modesetting arrangement. Here's what I have so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11113001
[12:41] <Grokling> Should that nvidia2 device be using the modesetting driver?
[12:42] <darkxst> Grokling, you should only have one primary screen
[12:42] <Grokling> So, set the other to inactive yeah?
[12:42] <darkxst> well not primary
[12:44] <darkxst> you really can't have two primary monitors that will break everything
[12:45] <Grokling> I thought that's what the screen 0 and screen 1 were about?
[12:45] <darkxst> no
[12:46] <Grokling> Following the example in the docs, there's no busID for the second device, and no driver specified. Is there magic somewhere that 'guesses' that part?
[12:46] <darkxst> that would be 2 X servers
[12:46] <Grokling> Ah - makes sense. That's xinerama corrupting my thinking.
[12:46] <Grokling> 4x X servers + xinerama.
[12:47] <Grokling> X screens at least.
[12:48] <darkxst> X screens are synomous with servers
[12:48] <Grokling> This might be closer then? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11113080
[12:50] <darkxst> Grokling, you shouldnt need a xorg.conf to make this work
[12:50] <darkxst> that said I have never actually had hardware to try personally
[12:51] <Grokling> Somehow we need to setup the offloading though? The docs say xorg.conf is the place for that? Seeing as xrandr isn't seeing the second GPU.
[12:51] <Grokling> I suspect that if xrandr could see it, it'd probably nearly work out of the box.
[12:52] <darkxst> Grokling, you said xrandr --list-providers sees it?
[12:53] <Grokling> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11113164
[12:55] <darkxst> Grokling, what nvidia driver version?
[12:55] <Grokling> 340.76
[12:56] <darkxst> Grokling, I'm out of ideas, really
[12:59] <Grokling> rats. I thought you were going to solve this with me! The offloading stuff that I've tried didn't work. "can't find provider with name modesetting"
[13:00] <Grokling> darkxst, thanks for the help/time this far.
[13:01] <darkxst> Grokling, I am the head developer around here, but sometimes I can only guess
[13:02] <darkxst> I don't have an infinite supply of hardware
[13:02] <darkxst> in fact I have no supply of hardware
[13:03] <Grokling> Heh.. I might soon have a matching pair of GT210s looking for somewhere else to be if I can't make this work with contemporary software!
[13:04] <darkxst> not about to try that stuff in my development machine
[13:05] <mgedmin> what happens if you remove the xorg.conf altogether?
[13:05] <Grokling> Seems like xrandr needs sli AND base mosaic for a working setup.. neither of which is supported on this chipset.
[13:05] <Grokling> Removing the xorg.conf gets me two screens on GPU-0, and nothing else. The other two are disabled.
[13:06] <darkxst> sli is a nvidia thing, nothing to do with xrandr
[13:06] <Grokling> re sli: https://www.martineve.com/2014/04/15/enabling-a-triple-head-3-monitor-setup-on-linux-mint-16-petra-with-two-nvidia-cards/
[13:09] <darkxst> that seems like old news to me, though no date on the post
[13:09] <Grokling> It seems like the offloading part does a similar thing, only via software.
[13:09] <Grokling> url suggests april 2014
[13:10] <darkxst> Grokling, offloading uses PRIME, that didnt exist in the nvidia drivers back then
[13:10] <Grokling> yeah, hence the hardware solution. Now we have software to do something essentially the same I think?
[13:12] <darkxst> Grokling, its not that simple
[13:14] <Grokling> darkxst, I'm grasping at straws..  I currently have a dev workstation that I can't use. I can't run Chrome because it breaks my GPU unless I update kernel and mesa. Updating those breaks my graphics. Installing an entirely new distro (this one) gets me two screens that I could use.. but then I can do that on my laptop.
[13:15] <Grokling> Very tempting to buy some different video card(s) to solve it.
[13:15] <darkxst> Grokling, GTX750
[13:15] <darkxst> they are about $100AUD
[13:16] <darkxst> though if you need four DVI monitors you may also need adapters
[13:17] <howudodat> hey everyone...on ubuntu 15.04, dell xps 15 qHD touchscreen laptop.  had the mising cursor problem on 3.14, org->gnome->settings-daemon->cursor wouldn't fix it.  decided to upgrade to 3.16.   I added the 3 repos (gnome3, gnome3-staging and ricotz/testing) and did a dist-upgrade.  on reboot I get the dmesg(es) and a cursor appears (I'm thinking it's an X cursor) and then nothing else.  I can switch back to consoles tty1-6 and back to
[13:17] <howudodat>  7 but I still see the same dmesg log and x cursor.  gnome-shell never appears.
[13:17] <darkxst> howudodat, don't use ricotz/testing if you don't know what you are doing
[13:18] <Grokling> $180nzd.. Not sooo bad. Still NVIDIA, and I'd then have a fan.
[13:18] <howudodat> darkxst...I tried first without ricotz/testing (using just gnome3-staging) and had the same result
[13:18] <mgedmin> hint: you can use ppa-purge to remove it
[13:18] <darkxst> howudodat, and I would need to see logs
[13:18] <darkxst> file a bug and attach /var/log/gdm/
[13:18] <Grokling> dell xps 15?  I thought that was HP?
[13:22] <darkxst> howudodat, also could be caused by wayland gdm
[13:22] <darkxst> you disable that /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[13:22] <darkxst> you can
[13:25] <Grokling> darkxst, how do radeon's fare in the linux world? Radeon HD6450 does three outputs for $50nzd.
[13:25] <Grokling> With a heatsink rather than a fan.
[13:26] <darkxst> Grokling, the older ones have pretty good OSS support, but not always
[13:26] <darkxst> and the AMD proprietry drivers are a gigantic mess
[13:27] <Grokling> So you'd stick with the NVIDIA stuff despite the pain?
[13:28] <howudodat> here's a bit of info on the dell:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Laptops/Dell/XPS/15-9530
[13:28] <howudodat> urged ricotz and disabled wayland in the greeter...now I no longer see X overlaying on the boot messages, but a just a black screen.  when I switch back to tty1, I see: A start job is running for Wair for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit
[13:28] <darkxst> Grokling, no pain here
[13:29] <Grokling> darkxst, That's okay, I'm having it for you.
[13:29] <darkxst> there is one bug that breaks totem, and a few other apps that use cogl
[13:29] <darkxst> but upstream are on it
[13:29] <darkxst> and that is only 3.16
[13:30] <darkxst> like I said I have not tried multiple GPU's atleast not in the last 10 years
[13:30] <darkxst> actually not since I got matrox G400
[13:31] <darkxst> so probably closer to 15 years
[13:34]  * darkxst sleep now
[13:35]  * Grokling just realised it's 0135.. sleep a wise choice
[13:35] <darkxst> Grokling, in NZ?
[13:36] <Grokling> yeah.
[13:37] <darkxst> figured, couldnt think of anyone else ahead of our time!
[13:37] <Grokling> It's nice to have someone else awake in IRC land at this time.. while the US sleeps.
[13:38] <darkxst> Grokling, most of europe is awake!
[13:39] <Grokling> True, but I don't see any of them in here helping!
[13:39] <darkxst> and I'm not aware of any canonical'erz in US
[13:40] <howudodat> ok, I might be in deep here...I cant get to a login prompt any more...cant ssh to my laptop either.  Just sits at A start job is running for Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit
[13:40] <darkxst> howudodat, do you have kdm installed?
[13:40] <Grokling> one last boot, then I'm out.
[13:41] <darkxst> or some other dm, apart from gdm?
[13:41] <howudodat> no, it should only be gdm
[13:41] <darkxst> gdm should kill the plymouth session
[13:42] <darkxst> but that doesnt happen apparently when another dm is installed
[13:43] <darkxst> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766462
[13:45] <darkxst> potentially related
[13:45] <darkxst> but
[13:45] <darkxst> I'm off to bed
[13:51] <howudodat> ok, I disabled plymouth in grub and the last message I get is a nouveau error: MMIO write of 0x000002 FAULT at 0x4108ac [IBUS], then the X cursor
[13:52] <darkxst> howudodat, what card?
[13:52] <howudodat> I believe it's onboard intel
[13:52] <darkxst> howudodat, no, the it wouldnt be using nouveu
[13:54] <darkxst> howudodat, maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1412602?
[13:54]  * darkxst goes, really now
[13:54] <howudodat> ok, me too, might jump back on later tonight
[13:55] <darkxst> howudodat, its midnight here, I won't be back
[13:56] <howudodat> :) it's 7am, and sadly I'm out all day...so I can't get this fixed until later....sleep well...if you're back around in about 12 hours we'll talk again then
[13:58] <darkxst> howudodat, try after 6pm aussie time
[17:22] <octoquad> darkxst, apologies for delay in response. Using fglrx at the moment not OSS drivers. Additionally I do not have the wayland package installed. I will try with a fresh install and file a bug report if I get the same result.
[19:54] <MatheusAlves> Anyone there?
[19:55] <MatheusAlves> I need some help
[19:57] <MatheusAlves> Ubuntu GNOME is multil language?
[20:01] <MatheusAlves> Please, i can't install GNOME on ubuntu...
[20:04] <octoquad> Hi MatheusAlves. Yes Ubuntu GNOME is multi language. Are you having a problem with language support or installing Ubuntu GNOME?
[20:05] <MatheusAlves> No, i just did know this to download ;D
[20:05] <MatheusAlves> Thankz
[20:05] <octoquad> np
[23:40] <Grokling> darkxst, So, I gave up. Gnome just doesn't like it. I installed kubuntu, first boot, it brought up all four screens perfectly. Okay, they're not in the same order as they are physically on my desk, but I'm prepared to forgive that!
[23:41] <JDAIII> quick question. I'm on UG14.04 and randomly, the screen on my main monitor will go black. The first time this happened, I rebooted, but now I just have to switch to tty1 and then back to tty7. Now this is not a horrible issue since I have a workaround, but I'd like to know why it happens randomly. Usually once a day


[06:15] <pitti> Good morning
[06:29] <larsu> good morning!
[06:42] <didrocks> morning
[06:42] <larsu> bonjour didrocks!
[06:43] <darkxst> hey didrocks larsu
[06:43] <didrocks> morning larsu, hey darkxst!
[06:44] <larsu> hi darkxst
[06:44] <larsu> Monday \o/
[06:44] <darkxst> Monday night here!
[06:44] <larsu> you're lucky!
[06:45] <larsu> looks like night here as well, so I could pretend
[06:45] <larsu> and just go to bed now
[06:51] <darkxst> seb128, Laney, didrocks pitti: curious if was to apply for -desktop team would I have your support now?
[06:54] <didrocks> darkxst: I didn't sponsor a lot of your work, so would let other voting, but I guess you mostly shall apply :)
[06:58] <darkxst> didrocks, true, you probably spend more time reviewing our MIR
[06:58] <darkxst> s
[07:01] <didrocks> yep ;)
[07:31] <SURESH> Can any one tell me how to start contribute to Ubuntu
[07:33] <didrocks> SURESH: hey, I would start reading this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[07:33] <didrocks> there are many ways of contributing to ubuntu and I guess most of them are listed there
[08:11] <larsu> ochosi: just attached a patch to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742181
[08:11] <ochosi> morning larsu
[08:12] <larsu> morning :)
[08:12] <ochosi> nice monday morning surprise :)
[08:12] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi desktopperz!
[08:12] <didrocks> hey ochosi, LocutusOfBorg1
[08:12] <ochosi> hey didrocks
[08:13] <ochosi> (and everyone else)
[08:20] <didrocks> happyaron: hey! do you mind changing the status of the bugs on the fcitx MIR? Most of them are still incomplete, while you assigned them to me, so it's not clear if those are ready or still needs work
[08:21] <happyaron> didrocks: how should I change them?
[08:23] <didrocks> happyaron: NEW or Confirmed are fine, just avoid Incomplete and Fix committed :)
[08:23] <ochosi> seb128: whenever you're around and have a minute for xdg-utils, lemme know
[08:23] <happyaron> didrocks: IIRC the only fix committed was set by you, but I'm not sure what does it mean
[08:23] <happyaron> I can change other ones
[08:24] <ochosi> seb128: basically i wanna check whether you're ok with pulling the latest version from upstream and whether i can be of any help with that
[08:24] <ochosi> seb128: xdg-screensaver, to be exact
[08:24] <didrocks> happyaron: right, that one is fine, I validated it. I'm just speaking about the "incomplete" ones that needs to be changed
[08:24] <happyaron> ok
[08:24] <didrocks> thx!
[08:31] <happyaron> didrocks: done, :)
[08:32] <didrocks> thanks!
[08:33] <happyaron> I should thank you, :)
[08:40] <mlankhorst> ok transfer functions fixed hopefully
[08:54] <mlankhorst> willcooke: I should have a less corrupt Xmir for arm soon hopefully
[08:54] <willcooke> mlankhorst, nice!  Thanks!
[08:54] <willcooke> good morning all
[08:54] <mlankhorst> morning
[08:56] <larsu> hi!
[08:56] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[09:04] <Laney> hey hey
[09:08] <darkxst> hey Laney
[09:08] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[09:09] <Laney> darkxst: I think so, some time ago I would have been worried that you would forget Ubuntu specific stuff, but seems better now
[09:09] <Laney> hey darkxst & didrocks ;-)
[09:09] <Laney> good weekends?
[09:09] <darkxst> Laney, no bad weekend, dug 12m of trenches some of that in the rain ;(
[09:10] <darkxst> next weekend will be better! off to the mountains
[09:10] <Laney> sounds like punishment for a crime
[09:10] <darkxst> Laney, no, but need to get power, water and sewer into shed
[09:12] <darkxst> and cheaper for me to dig, than the plumber doing it
[09:12] <didrocks> Laney: was good, yeah
[09:12] <didrocks> yourself?
[09:13] <Laney> not bad thanks
[09:13] <Laney> lunch at the cafe down the road (in a converted shipping container, cool!), painted the kitchen again, climbing, friends for dinner
[09:14]  * darkxst thinks Laney should come to Arapiles ;)
[09:16]  * Laney looks it up
[09:17] <darkxst> Laney, it is basically the climbing mecca for trad atleast, in austrailia
[09:18] <darkxst> and perhaps the world?
[09:20] <darkxst> 2000 climbs withing 10mins walk from camp ;)
[09:21] <Laney> nice
[09:21] <Laney> I've only done trad a couple of times
[09:21] <Laney> sport a few more, but usually bouldering
[09:27] <mlankhorst> bah another reason for the transfer functions to fail..
[09:27] <mlankhorst> Mesa: User error: GL_INVALID_OPERATION in glReadPixels(invalid format GL_ALPHA and/or type GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE)
[09:43] <seb128> ochosi, yeah, getting the most recent version/merging with debian would be useful, if you want to do it please feel free
[09:44] <ochosi> seb128: right, my packaging/syncing skills are next to 0, i could probably pull in the script from debian and propose that as a merge-request
[09:44] <ochosi> if that would be helpful
[09:44] <seb128> ochosi, well if you don't feel like doing the merge you can submit the change you need only and let the merge to somebody else
[09:46] <ochosi> right, i thought that maybe it's easier to get the change once the sync is done
[09:47] <larsu> Laney: morning!
[09:47] <larsu> Laney: what's the gtk situation? The one in vivid seems different from the one in ~ubuntu-desktop
[09:48]  * larsu wants to MR some patches
[09:48] <ochosi> seb128: we could start with dropping this superfluous patch that duplicates code: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xdg-utils/vivid/view/head:/debian/patches/xserver-blanking.diff
[09:49] <ochosi> that was seemingly merged already but is still carried as a patch
[09:50] <Laney> larsu: looks the same to me
[09:50] <Laney> laney@vivid:~/dev/canonical/packaging/desktop/gtk+3.0/build-area/archive$ debdiff ../gtk+3.0_3.14.6-0ubuntu1.dsc gtk+3.0_3.14.6-0ubuntu1.dsc dpkg-source: warning: extracting unsigned source package (/home/laney/dev/canonical/packaging/desktop/gtk+3.0/build-area/gtk+3.0_3.14.6-0ubuntu1.dsc)
[09:51] <Laney> laney@vivid:~/dev/canonical/packaging/desktop/gtk+3.0/build-area/archive$
[09:51] <Laney> oho, maybe I didn't push
[09:51] <Laney> try that
[09:51] <seb128> ochosi, does that create any issue?
[09:52] <ochosi> seb128: no, it just removes code that is in the bash script twice. i'll send you the MR in a minute then you'll see...
[09:52] <seb128> ochosi, yeah, I saw it when we discussed it previous cycle
[09:52] <seb128> it just that it was not important enough to justify an upload by itself
[09:53] <seb128> which is probably still the case
[09:53] <ochosi> yeah
[09:53] <seb128> we should clean that out if we upload for any other reason though
[09:53] <seb128> and yes please mp it, so it's tracked
[09:53] <ochosi> but it's important enough to merge it in imo
[09:53] <ochosi> and i'll have at least one more MR for xdg-screensaver this cycle
[09:53] <ochosi> (light-locker gained fd.org screensaver dbus support)
[09:56] <seb128> right
[09:56] <ochosi> seb128: i hope it's ok that i directly put you down as a reviewer
[09:56] <seb128> sure you can, but ubuntu-sponsors would be better
[09:57] <seb128> well, I can approv that one, not sure if I've slots for merging xdg-utils this week
[09:57] <seb128> so sure, I can approve, I'm maybe not going to upload though
[09:57] <ochosi> ok, that'd be fine
[09:58] <ochosi> i'll take a look whether there's more in upstream
[09:58] <seb128> thanks
[10:25] <larsu> *giggle* "Since there are no words, ..."
[10:28] <larsu> Laney: probably this is what he meant (saves a compare and is more consistent with the rest of the function)
[10:29] <Laney> I guess so
[10:29] <Laney> took a few minutes to work it out
[10:31] <larsu> ya, he could have been a bit more verbose on that...
[10:32] <Laney> ah well
[10:44] <Laney> grr
[10:44] <Laney> chromium keeps falsely (I think) claiming that tabs have gone unresponsive
[10:44] <Laney> it pops up a dialog to tell you this
[10:44] <Laney> anyone else seeing something like that?
[10:47] <Cimi> Wellark, hey! hello :)
[10:51] <willcooke> Laney, hmm, I saw a couple of those over the weekend
[10:51] <Laney> happens all the time
[10:51] <Laney> if I pick 'wait' and go to the tab it always seems fine
[10:51] <willcooke> oh, no it's not that bad for me
[10:52] <willcooke> Version 39.0.2171.65 Ubuntu 14.04 (64-bit)
[10:52] <Laney> but it's annoying enough that I just kill it and then refresh when I want to actually use it again
[10:52] <Laney> Version 39.0.2171.65 Ubuntu 15.04 (64-bit)
[10:52] <Laney> which is fine because I use firefox for real browsing. :P
[10:52] <willcooke> :)
[10:53] <Laney> "STOP SLACKING ON TWEETDECK"
[10:54] <willcooke> ;)
[10:55] <Laney> but it doesn't seem to happen when the tab is focused
[10:55] <Laney> so actually it's telling me to look more
[10:55] <Laney> i am confuse
[10:56] <willcooke> Do you have any extensions installed?  (Grasping at straws here)
[10:56] <larsu> Trevinho: I don't understand your comment. What's a "list of applications for each app id"? App ids are supposed to be unique
[10:56] <Laney> yeah, some
[10:56] <larsu> Trevinho: good catch on the missing free, thanks!
[10:56] <Laney> I'll see if there is some way to get debugging info out next time it happens
[10:56] <Trevinho> larsu: yes, but keeping track of the relation app-id -> desktop file
[10:57] <Trevinho> larsu: you can baiscally rematch the new windows quickly
[10:57] <larsu> Trevinho: it's supposed to be the same
[10:57] <Trevinho> indeed, so we don't need to do all the checks to figure out what 's their partent app
[10:57] <Trevinho> parent*
[10:57] <larsu> not sure I understand...
[10:58]  * larsu doesn't know a lot about bamf ;)
[10:58] <Trevinho> well, if we save the app-id for each application (if present), then when a new window gets opened, we can do as a first check: let's see if we already know this window app id, and if we do, let's just set it as a child of an already known app
[10:59] <Trevinho> however, this is just optimization, probably
[10:59] <larsu> ah, right
[10:59] <Trevinho> so we can skip it if we don't have matching issues
[11:00] <larsu> I'll leave that to you ;)
[11:00] <Trevinho> :)
[11:02] <larsu> Trevinho: pushed a fix for the leak. Thanks!
[11:02] <Trevinho> np
[11:03] <Trevinho> and thank you for the branch
[11:06] <larsu> yw
[11:08] <Trevinho> larsu: ah, can you also apply http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9717822/ or ci-train won't love it
[11:12] <larsu> Trevinho: uh not this again
[11:13] <larsu> Trevinho: pushed. Thanks for reminding me.
[11:30] <Laney> I always mess up quilt and git when working with full source packages
[11:30] <Laney> raargh
[11:30] <Laney> quilt buildpackage -S # no thanks
[11:39] <mlankhorst> willcooke: can you test https://mblankhorst.nl/etc/Xmir on your phone? I *think* i fixed all corruption..
[11:42] <mlankhorst> I know, a bold claim..
[11:56] <willcooke> mlankhorst, :)
[11:59] <willcooke> mlankhorst, looks good so far :)
[12:00] <mlankhorst> goodie
[12:02] <mlankhorst> all corruption etc gone?
[12:02] <willcooke> mlankhorst, certainly the issues I saw in LO
[12:02] <willcooke> haven't tried any gnome apps yet...
[12:03] <mlankhorst> oke
[12:10] <willcooke> Kerblamo!  Crashed Mir :D
[12:22] <mlankhorst> yeah I get that too, might be from having a buggy mir snapshot..
[12:24] <mlankhorst> looks like there's a new mir release in vivid though, so it might no longer be needed
[12:29] <willcooke> ack
[12:29] <willcooke> food time
[12:29] <mlankhorst> good :) I'll test with mir 0.10
[12:55] <didrocks> happyaron: did you check the packages you turned back from incomplete to confirmed? There has been no fix released in ubuntu
[12:56] <didrocks> happyaron: it's already the second that I find in that state, will turn then back, and readd the same comment has no upload was done :/
[12:59] <willcooke> qengho, anyone, does Chrome exist for ARM?
[13:01] <Laney> laney@iota> rmadison -s vivid chromium-browser                                                                                ~ chromium-browser | 39.0.2171.65-0ubuntu1.1108 | vivid/universe | source, amd64, armhf, i386
[13:01] <Laney> looks like it is built at least ...
[13:02]  * Laney spots a typo in rmadison's manpage
[13:02]  * Laney assumes nobody will mind if he fixes it directly in git (H)
[13:03] <willcooke> ah, I need specifically Chrome
[13:03] <willcooke> I am assuming it doesnt exist publically
[13:06] <Laney> https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/main/binary-armhf/Packages doesn't exist
[13:09] <willcooke> thx Laney
[13:29] <mlankhorst> willcooke: good news is that the updates to mir should obsolete my hacky version, just flash a new version and re-enable ppa again.. I'm testing if theory matches reality
[13:36] <mlankhorst> looks like a small test confirms it
[13:38] <willcooke> mlankhorst, nice work!  Ok, I will get another video out this afternoon, and then I will upgrade and test
[13:55] <mlankhorst> ok upgrade seems to work as it should
[13:57] <qengho> willcooke: There is no discrete Google Chrome for ARM, but we build chromium-browser for armhf. That is a reason we don't have a flash player for ARM. There IS a ChromeOS for ARM, of course. There's a Chrome in that!
[14:09] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: since screenshots btw ;)
[14:11] <desrt> hi humans
[14:11] <didrocks> hey desrtmachina!
[14:11] <pitti> killallhumans! killallhumans!
[14:11] <desrt> woh woh woh
[14:12] <pitti> err, I mean, hello desrt, how are you? :-)
[14:12]  * desrt isn't that kind of machine
[14:12] <Sweet5hark> seb128: I just bumped 4.4.0~rc2 for vivid to the prereleases ppa, now wading through the MIR and debian sync galore for packages where I still use internal versions. I will likely come around with a list of candidates in the next days. prepare for impact ;)
[14:12] <desrt> actually, wait
[14:12]  * desrt isn't a machine!
[14:12] <pitti> desrt: more like a Dalek one?
[14:12] <didrocks> exterminate!
[14:12] <desrt> pitti: not good, but things are about to get better
[14:12] <pitti> desrt: ugh -- the plague struck?
[14:12]  * desrt just poured coffee
[14:12] <pitti> aaah
[14:12]  * didrocks is happy to see pitti starting to get DW references ;)
[14:13] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, it is a screen shot, sort of.
[14:13] <willcooke> ;p
[14:13] <pitti> didrocks: I'm through the first season now
[14:13] <didrocks> pitti: the best is yet to come! ;)
[14:13] <didrocks> enjoy particularly season 2 to <…> (no spoiler :p)
[14:14] <Sweet5hark> desrt: one does have to be a machine to be a misanthrop ;)
[14:14] <desrt> Sweet5hark: does or does not?
[14:14] <Sweet5hark> whops, s/does/does not/
[14:14]  * desrt is an anthropophile!
[14:15] <desrt> (is that a thing?)
[14:15] <Sweet5hark> desrt: only in esperanto
[14:15] <desrt> definitely not an esperanto word :)
[14:16] <desrt> would probably be 'homemulo' or something
[14:16] <Sweet5hark> desrt: make it one! didnt everyone squeeze something of their language into it? why shouldnt you?
[14:17] <desrt> Sweet5hark: in practice, yes, but that tends to happen at a different level -- and it also tends to effect everyone who is a second-speaker of any language
[14:18] <desrt> little bits of grammar or sentence-formation logic or even figure of expression creep in
[14:59] <willcooke> Anyone know a reason why Ubuntu might not work on a 4k display?  (Just asking, some people are going to be trying it out, and they have my mobile number if it doesnt work :) )
[15:00] <ochosi> graphic cards/drivers? (just a guess)
[15:05] <qengho> willcooke: bandwidth of cables? That's a lot of data. The cable that works for Other Display might not be good enough.
[15:06] <willcooke> thx ochosi qengho
[15:07] <qengho> I'm booting to fresh Vivid. No SSH or IRC client creds over there. Back in a bit.
[15:13] <mlankhorst> willcooke: I've also uploaded the changes to ppa, and proposed my glamor fixes to upstream
[15:16] <willcooke> mlankhorst, great stuff, thank you
[16:00] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey, ok, noted ;-)
[16:00] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ;)
[16:01] <seb128> desrt, speaking of esperanto, have you seen that duolingo is adding support for learning it?
[16:01] <desrt> yup
[16:01] <desrt> a friend of mine is one of those working on it
[16:01] <seb128> nice
[16:01] <desrt> they're having the most ridiculous arguments right now
[16:01] <desrt> in true esperanto style :)
[16:02] <desrt> like whether the months should have capitals
[16:28] <didrocks> have a good evening! have to go early today to see the doctor
[16:29] <Laney> good luck!
[16:39] <mlankhorst> good luck
[16:39] <mhall119> willcooke: is there any specific hardware that is being targeted for the Unity 8 desktop images?
[16:42] <willcooke> mhall119, no, not really
[16:42] <willcooke> mhall119, but
[16:43] <willcooke> AIUI, Mir needs Intel gfx atm
[16:43] <willcooke> plus a touch screen
[16:43] <willcooke> you can manage without the touch screen actually
[16:45] <mhall119> willcooke: thanks, I'm really intersted in showing it off with a touch screen
[16:46] <mhall119> FWIW, my wife's Asus X202E ran it perfectly
[16:59] <Laney> larsu: Just uploaded gtk 3.14.7, please pull your branch again
[17:08] <mhall119> willcooke: I love the XMir videos, is that someting that's going to be working out-of-the-both in the Ubuntu Next images?
[17:09] <willcooke> mhall119, I'm throwing some ideas around in my head about that atm
[17:09] <willcooke> I'm not sure it's ready for the big time yet
[17:09] <willcooke> but also, it would be *reallllly* nice to have it there
[17:10] <mhall119> yeah, but the point of Ubuntu Next is to land things "not ready for the big time" isn't it?
[17:10] <willcooke> true dat
[17:10] <willcooke> seb128, mlankhorst, any thoughts?  ^^
[17:12] <seb128> willcooke, though on?
[17:12] <seb128> the next image is built from the archive atm
[17:12] <seb128> so we don't include non-merged code
[17:13] <seb128> mhall119, ^
[17:13] <willcooke> seb128, right, so should we move xmir out of ppa?
[17:13] <seb128> correct
[17:17] <seb128> or discuss making next more experimental and use ppas and such
[17:41] <willcooke> seb128, interesting idea.  Make Desktop Next truly bleeding edge.  We risk ending up with stable/unstable versions and the hell therein
[17:42] <willcooke> or we just say "Desktop next is perma-testing, you want to play then go for it, but it will probably break"
[17:42] <willcooke> which is kinda where we are now
[17:42] <willcooke> (just thinking out loud)
[17:42] <willcooke> Well, I'm up for it
[17:57] <desrt> must... resist... urge... to .... kill..... self.....
[17:58] <desrt> the combined contents of the 'notes' 'limitations and caveats' 'dealing with rename events' and 'bugs' sections of the manpage for inotify are enough to send the reader into a deep depression
[18:11] <popey> willcooke: your guys work hit phoronix ㋛
[18:11] <popey> (again)
[18:15] <Laney> IMHO it'd be good to put stuff in the Ubuntu archive often as long as it mostly works
[18:15] <Laney> PPAs for really experimental stuff
[18:15]  * Laney → EOD though, ttylé
[18:37] <willcooke> cheers Laney
[18:37] <willcooke> popey, cool, thanks.
[18:37]  * willcooke checks
[18:42] <willcooke> woot
[19:45] <mlankhorst> willcooke: I think xmir is too experimental right now
[19:45] <willcooke> fair enough I reckon
[19:45] <mlankhorst> I mean it will work with mesa, probably even kms_swrast
[19:46] <mlankhorst> but it's not at a point where it's usable for everyone :P
[19:51] <willcooke> I think that's a good call
[19:52] <ChrisTownsend> Besides, Xmir windows on the Unity8 desktop are nearly useless because 1) They don't resize and 2) Mouse input is busted.
[19:52] <mlankhorst> well that was the main reason ;-)
[19:53] <ChrisTownsend> Yep
[19:53] <mlankhorst> I think I will still add rotation/reflection support and leave it there, without input I can't do much more
[19:53] <ChrisTownsend> Just thought I'd add my 2 cents for the record.:)
[19:53] <willcooke> :)
[19:53] <mlankhorst> ChrisTownsend: oh and lack of arbitrary cursors
[19:54] <ChrisTownsend> mlankhorst: Yeah, and that too.
[19:54] <willcooke> jeez, you guys are picky
[19:54] <willcooke> ;p
[19:54] <ChrisTownsend> lol
[19:55] <mlankhorst> but I think the glamor backend is pretty solid now :P
[20:14]  * willcooke -> eod


[00:03] <riX2000> Hi everyone. (Sorry for big chunk of text:) I've got a problem with (I believe) unity. Some windows I minimized (terminals in particular) are behaving strangely. If I have another window active and press alt-tab to a terminal, it does not become active. (However alt-tabbing to the terminal window group, waiting for the group to expand and then choosing one works).
[00:03] <riX2000> I've tried unity --replace, unity --reset, compiz --replace, it does not help.
[00:03] <riX2000> A lot of windows from before the first time I did unity --replace are now completely invisible. I have come up with a method to get some of them back (see screenshots), but this does not work for programs nt having an "internal" window list.
[00:03] <riX2000> I've posted more info + screenshots here: http://inky.ws/g/2cr
[00:03] <riX2000> Somewhat related: http://askubuntu.com/questions/177139/gnome-terminal-not-showing-up-in-unity-why
[07:08] <didrocks> mmrazik: hey, seems autolanding has some issues: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/dee/dailybootstrap/+merge/134299
[07:08] <mmrazik> didrocks: I'm working on it
[07:08] <mmrazik> didrocks: in particular on this specific MP
[07:08] <didrocks> thanks :)
[07:08] <mmrazik> didrocks: the issue is that the IPs change and there are some issues in connecting to local archive
[07:08] <mmrazik> but there is one more problem now which I don't understand...
[07:09] <mmrazik> (yet)
[07:09] <didrocks> mmrazik: hum, I can just say "good luck" ;)
[07:09] <mmrazik> didrocks: ack :)
[07:30] <mmrazik> didrocks: sorry for spamming your MP
[07:30] <mmrazik> but I'm getting closer :)
[07:30] <didrocks> no worry ;)
[08:47] <tsdgeos> Trevinho: Mirv: what about https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity/initialize_using_nofilters_background_6.0/+merge/132297 think it makes sense?
[08:59] <mmrazik> didrocks: FYI https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ps-unity-autopilot-trunk/348/testReport/
[08:59] <mmrazik> that is the last "successful" autopilot run
[08:59] <mmrazik> then we hit a cobbler bug :-/
[08:59] <mmrazik> which Max fixed yesterday night but now we are running into something new
[09:00] <mmrazik> didrocks: its ~27% fail rate
[09:04] <didrocks> mmrazik: ok, I think you guys have a plan to work on it? :)
[09:04] <mmrazik> sure
[09:05] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I'd think that since Unity can be considered part of infrastructure, and the fix isn't clearly fixing a high impact bug, it doesn't fall under SRUable commits
[09:05] <didrocks> mmrazik: thanks for the link :)
[09:06] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ok, the poor sods that get randomly a false assigned to that var would probably disagree but that's going to be 1 in a million
[09:06] <tsdgeos> Mirv: could you please comment so in the merge request?
[09:06] <Mirv> tsdgeos: did so
[09:06] <tsdgeos> ah :D
[09:06] <tsdgeos> tx :-)
[09:06] <Mirv> :)
[09:15] <mmrazik> didrocks:  could you please have a look:
[09:15] <mmrazik> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/bamf-mbs-autolanding/21/build=pbuilder,distribution=quantal,flavor=amd64/console
[09:16] <mmrazik> is that a packaging issue?
[09:20] <didrocks> mmrazik: make[5]: *** [test-headless] Error 1
[09:20] <didrocks> mmrazik: seems more make test-headless returned 1…
[09:20] <didrocks> (despite having OK everywhere)
[09:21] <mmrazik> oh... missed that... only saw the "dh_auto_test: make -j1 check returned exit code 2"
[09:25] <mmrazik> didrocks: mhm.. I'll try to re-approve. The next bamf MP passed the tests (but failed at dh_makeshlibs)
[09:28] <didrocks> mmrazik: ok, keep me in touch, not having this bootstrapping makes us using other branches to test
[09:30] <mmrazik> didrocks: are there more branches like that?
[09:30] <didrocks> mmrazik: dee, bamf, libunity for now
[09:30] <mmrazik> didrocks: ack.. just found the libunity one...
[09:34] <didrocks> thanks
[09:45] <mmrazik> didrocks: beside the random make test failure we have one problem in bamf.
[09:46] <mmrazik> https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/bamf/c4/+merge/134313 is fixing some gensymbols issue
[09:46] <mmrazik> didrocks: but it lists the debootstrap branch as prerequisite
[09:46] <didrocks> mmrazik: in a hangout, I can inverse them if needed
[09:46] <mmrazik> didrocks: and the debootstrap branch fails with the gensymbol (if the make test randomly passes)
[09:46] <mmrazik> didrocks: ok
[11:47] <cariveri> hello there. Id like to introduce a new LauncherIcon type, but cant find the code which parses the desktopfile's fields. please help me on this.
[12:07] <cariveri> Hi larsu can you help me?
[12:09] <larsu> cariveri, sure, what's up?
[12:11] <cariveri> larsu Id like to introduce a new LauncherIcon type, but cant find the code which parses the desktopfile's fields. please help me on this.
[12:12] <larsu> cariveri, what project are you talking about? Unity?
[12:12] <didrocks> mmrazik: hey, why do you have gensymbol issues?
[12:12] <didrocks> mmrazik: did fghinter runs -c4 now?
[12:13] <cariveri> larsu: yes unity. unityshell/src ?
[12:14] <larsu> cariveri, I don't know, I'm not a unity developer :) a quick grep for g_desktop_app_info_new points to launcher/ApplicationLauncherIcon.cpp and UnityCore/DesktopUtilities.cpp
[12:14] <larsu> but I'm sure that other people in this channel can be of more help
[12:16] <mmrazik> didrocks: I don't know
[12:16] <didrocks> mmrazik: if not, we don't need mterry's branch in mine
[12:16] <mmrazik> didrocks: btw. I was thinking of pushing the bamf dailybootstrap thing via autolanding with no tests
[12:17] <didrocks> mmrazik: that can do it, but we need to know at some point why the tests are failing, maybe check with Trevinho
[12:17] <mmrazik> I think the bamf stuff is broken and needs to be fixed. Have seen the same random failures in libunity
[12:17] <mmrazik> we need to fix libunity too
[12:17] <mmrazik> or actually... the branch that enables the tests didn't land yet
[12:17] <mmrazik> bamf was probably just lucky during the enablement
[12:18] <didrocks> maybe
[12:21] <cariveri> larsu: I expected a loop where the files are parsed and evaluate, for that the Icons on the launcher can be created. There is are types like TYPE_APPLICATION defined in AbstractLauncherIcon, but cant find the place where it is set from the files. Maybe you'r a smarter grep-er then I am.
[12:21] <mmrazik> didrocks: I believe all the bootstrap branches now landed
[12:21] <didrocks> mmrazik: ok, there will probably be a lot more once mterry is around
[12:22] <didrocks> thanks
[12:24] <larsu> cariveri, there's no TYPE_APPLICATION anywhere in AbstractLauncherItem. Unity probably uses GDesktopAppInfo instead of parsing the desktop files manually: http://developer.gnome.org/gio/stable/gio-Desktop-file-based-GAppInfo.html
[12:24] <larsu> what are you trying to achieve?
[12:31] <mmrazik> didrocks: right now I'm aware of the bamf issue and the unity can not land (due to various errors the nux4 stuff didn't get it into the local archive)
[12:31] <mmrazik> the rest should be landing fine
[12:31] <mmrazik> or rather I didn't see it failing yet ;)
[12:31] <cariveri> larsu: AbstrcatLauncherIcon.h not item :)
[12:32] <cariveri> larsu: and I know how to parse thos efiles my self, but the question is how unity does it and where so I can integrate porperly my new feature.
[12:33] <mmrazik> didrocks: FYI autopilot/unity is currently stuck on UTAH. Trying to figure out if there is somebody in europe who can help me. Otherwise I need to wait for Max
[12:33] <larsu> cariveri, sorry, that was a typo. The only TYPE_APPLICATION in there is BAMF_TYPE_APPLICATION...
[12:33] <larsu> cariveri, I can't tell you for sure how unity parses those files, but like I said, it looks like it's using GDesktopAppInfo
[12:37] <cariveri> hmm I took the unity src from by apt-get source. and there is a lot of TYPES defined. TYPE_EXPO, TYPE_TRASH and so on.
[12:37] <cariveri> larsu: but thanks for trying to help me.
[12:49] <mmrazik> didrocks: its weird but https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/bamf/c4/+merge/134313 landed with no issues
[13:28] <didrocks> mmrazik: right, I think you need to snapshot the worspace where the tests failed and ask something in the unity team to look at it
[13:28] <mmrazik> ack. Will have a look on it.
[13:30] <mmrazik> didrocks: FYI -- I need to wait for max on the autopilot/unity thing :-/ Just a small demonstration that there is much more instability than just unity/autopilot...
[13:31] <mmrazik> but the good news is that I think I fixed autolanding for unity
[13:31] <mmrazik> I'll be going through the rejected MPs in a while and will be re-approving
[13:39] <didrocks> mmrazik: ok, thanks
[13:40] <bregma> three cheers
[13:40] <didrocks> hey bregma! :)
[13:41] <bregma> hey, how's it going?
[13:41] <didrocks> good good, and you? :)
[13:43] <bregma> not too bad
[13:43] <bregma> I'm hoping the current nux-4/unity fandango has been resolved
[13:43] <bregma> but all the outstanding failed MPs will have to go through first
[13:43] <mmrazik> bregma: brandon's branch is compiling right now (~80%)
[13:44] <mmrazik> bregma: I'll go through the other ones once this is through
[13:44] <bregma> it's pretty much the key, that brancjh
[13:53] <mmrazik> bregma: it has just landed
[13:53] <mmrazik> or not?
[13:53] <mmrazik> mhm...
[13:54] <mmrazik> oh.. the job finished.. the merge didn't yet
[13:54]  * bregma holds his breath
[13:56] <mmrazik> bregma: its there now. really.
[13:57]  * bregma breathes again
[14:05] <mmrazik> bregma: the remaining failures seems to be genuine problems (like conflicts). If there is still something the I probably missed. Feel free to re-approve or ping me.
[14:06] <bregma> mkay
[15:24] <didrocks> alesage: hey, good morning!
[15:24] <didrocks> alesage: any news on landing the indicator inline packaging branchs?
[15:24] <alesage> didrocks, why hello
[15:24] <alesage> didrocks, I'll review during coffee, a few min pls :)
[15:25] <didrocks> alesage: thanks :)
[15:30] <bobweaver> I want to make libnux render a better back cover how to do this ?
[15:30] <bobweaver> for RenderCoverFlow
[15:30] <bobweaver> Like when uri is active
[15:30] <bobweaver> I will take screenshot of wxample
[15:31] <bobweaver> example *
[15:33] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/235990
[15:33] <bobweaver> 2d Concept work ^^
[15:33] <alesage> didrocks, I'll test the new build style for i-sound, i-session, i-messages and will report; should take an hour
[15:33] <didrocks> alesage: thanks a lot :)
[15:34] <bobweaver> that is what I want to do with NUX though like the "orange" that is on selected item. Or should I just change something to do with the card ?
[15:34] <didrocks> alesage: don't merge i-session right now, see my needs fixing first :)
[15:34] <didrocks> I think cyphermox will fix it once he's around
[15:34] <cyphermox> I'm around and ifixing it
[15:35] <alesage> didrocks, ok--we'll merge when someone clicks 'approve' in the mp
[15:35] <didrocks> cyphermox: thanks!
[15:36] <didrocks> alesage: the 2 others are green, feel free to needs review -> approve once you made the changes to the job
[15:36] <bobweaver> Sorry file is called CoverflowResultView.cpp
[15:36] <alesage> ok didrocks willdo
[15:36] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[15:40] <bobweaver> CoverflowResultView.cpp  << can not tell by shadowing what card is chosen so I thought that having background would be good thing. why is this code so dam hard !!!!!!!!
[15:41] <bobweaver> change the camara view and you can tell but still I do not want to make 20 ft interface only 10
[15:41] <bobweaver> ;)
[15:43] <bobweaver> so like this   layout_->AddView(coverflow_, 1, nux::MINOR_POSITION_CENTER, nux::MINOR_SIZE_FULL);          ow to add color ?  to backing of that ?
[15:43] <bobweaver> s|ow|how|
[15:48] <bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tup9pD0Fps
[15:55] <bobweaver> I would like to say that I do not think that people are ignoring me. It is just that I want to make awesome sauce that is all :) I will get it
[16:24] <cyphermox> didrocks: if you want to try the tests now, not sure how much better it will work, here they just keep hanging
[16:25] <didrocks> larsu: do you know about it? ^
[16:26] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1360585/
[16:26] <larsu> didrocks, which tests are these?
[16:26] <cyphermox> indicator-session
[16:26] <didrocks> larsu: ah, missing schema :)
[16:26] <larsu> what didrocks said :)
[16:26] <didrocks> larsu: normal when you build it
[16:26] <cyphermox> but in that case, it should crash, not hang around doing nothing
[16:26] <didrocks> you should do something similar to what I've done for the lens
[16:28] <didrocks> larsu: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/libunity/trunk/view/head:/data/Makefile.am
[16:28] <didrocks> it compiles the schema on build
[16:29] <didrocks> larsu: and then using http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/libunity/trunk/view/head:/test/vala/test-vala.vala#L35 to set it to the path
[16:29] <didrocks> (XDG_DATA_HOME)
[16:30] <didrocks> and compile ;)
[16:31] <larsu> didrocks, right. I'm going to pass this on to charles_ :)
[16:31] <didrocks> charles_: seems you are the victim in that story :)
[16:53] <didrocks> hey mterry, do you think you will have time for working on the bootstrapping of the unity stack? (other than the 3 I've made. I'm sorry, didn't have the time today to do the others, finishing the automated upload process)
[16:54] <mterry> didrocks, sure I'll work on them today
[16:54] <didrocks> mterry: this sounds like spam for me tomorrow morning! Thanks a lot :)
[16:54] <mterry> yup  :)
[18:06] <Trevinho> didrocks: when you're back: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/remove-gtk2/+merge/134537 (or mterry...)
[18:06] <mterry> Trevinho, neat
[18:06] <mterry> will be nice to lose that build
[18:13] <ricotz> Trevinho, hi, i would introduce LIBBAMF_VER and just use "3" at those places
[18:13] <ricotz> wouldnt*
[18:21] <MCR1> bschaefer: Hi :) Video of Dash overlay-scrollbars looks great - Top Job ! :-D When will it land ?
[18:22] <bschaefer> MCR1, :), thanks. It should land in trunk in the coming weeks
[18:22] <MCR1> bschaefer: So far away from merge ?
[18:22] <bschaefer> MCR1, no, I just want to polish it up and it is hard to say
[18:22] <MCR1> ah, ok
[18:23] <bschaefer> MCR1, hopefully next week (hopefully!)
[18:25] <Trevinho> ricotz: I wanted to factorize that value... any better idea?
[18:28] <ricotz> Trevinho, i think there is no need for that, or are you planning for GTK+4.0 ;)
[18:30] <MCR1> ricotz: Hi :) Do you already have an ETA for plank-docky ?
[18:31] <ricotz> MCR1, no ;)
[18:31] <MCR1> ricotz: Still using the best dock no money can buy here... ;)
[18:32] <ricotz> MCR1, quiet, do you where you are ;P
[18:32] <MCR1> but unfortunately with a new bug introduced with latest fglrx ATI driver :(
[18:33] <ricotz> sorry g2g
[18:33] <MCR1> Yes, but I will voice my opinion anyway :P :-X
[19:03] <Trevinho> ricotz: no plan for gtk4, just don't want to keep magic numbers around :)
[19:09] <MCR1> Trevinho, andyrock, bschaefer: Could you please take a look @ https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/unity/unity.merge-minor-possible-speed-improvement/+merge/133435 and https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/unity/unity.merge-fix-member-variables-not-initialized-in-their-constructors/+merge/133520 ?
[19:11] <bschaefer> MCR1, Ill look into it
[19:11] <bschaefer> MCR1, https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/unity/unity.merge-fix-member-variables-not-initialized-in-their-constructors/+merge/133520
[19:11] <bschaefer> the init list should look like:
[19:11] <bschaefer> ctor()
[19:11] <bschaefer> : var(false)
[19:11] <bschaefer> not ctor() :
[19:11]  * bschaefer thinks it looks cleaner
[19:12] <andyrock> MCR1, also no space between variable and (
[19:12] <MCR1> ok, I am always confused with different styles used for Compiz/Unity
[19:12] <MCR1> :)
[19:12] <bschaefer> MCR1, yeeah compiz uses a crazy style
[19:12] <MCR1> C++11, mixed spaces and tabs
[19:12] <bschaefer> well compiz doesn't use C++11 yet
[19:13] <bschaefer> and yes...they mix spaces and tabs :(
[19:13] <MCR1> but no problem, I'll change it
[19:13] <MCR1> to Unity style :)
[19:13] <bschaefer> thanks :)
[19:14] <MCR1> ~20 min (girlfriend calls ;))
[19:14] <andyrock> MCR1, also keep in mind that .size() in c++11 is O(1)
[19:14] <andyrock> so it's not so slow :)
[19:14] <andyrock> but I prefer to use ::empty
[19:14] <andyrock> so thank you
[19:15] <bschaefer> plus empty usually checks the size
[19:15] <bschaefer> but it is more readable
[19:17] <andyrock> bschaefer, MCR1 talking about C++03 ::empty is faster using std::list and std::string
[19:18]  * bschaefer would think size is a stored variable
[19:18] <bschaefer> which empty should just return size;
[19:18] <bschaefer> if it == 0 ... its false
[19:18] <bschaefer> o well
[19:18] <andyrock> bschaefer, gcc implementation did not store the size
[19:19] <bschaefer> oo i see
[19:19] <bschaefer> that makes sense
[19:19] <andyrock> but now it does
[19:19] <andyrock> it's a minor change but a big ABI break
[19:20] <bschaefer> I could imagine...
[19:27] <bregma> andyrock, that change was backed out of GCC 4.7 because it caused the ABI-incompatibility bug
[19:27] <bregma> 4.7.2 does not confirm, but at least it's not broken
[19:31] <andyrock> bregma, so std::list::size on gcc 4.7 is still O(n) ?
[19:49] <MCR1> bschaefer: Should be fixed now :)
[19:49] <bschaefer> MCR1, awesome
[19:49]  * bschaefer looks again
[19:49] <MCR1> andyrock, bschaefer: Thanks for the reviews :)
[19:49] <andyrock> ;)
[19:49] <bschaefer> MCR1, you missed andyrocks comment :(
[19:49] <bschaefer> + : icon_size (0)
[19:49] <bschaefer> no space between
[19:50] <bschaefer> e and (
[19:50] <bschaefer> e (
[19:50] <bschaefer> e(
[19:50]  * bschaefer feels extra picky for some reason
[19:51] <MCR1> bschaefer: ups, will fix that also :)
[19:52] <bschaefer> MCR1, thanks :)
[19:52] <MCR1> I've initialized the bool with false btw, not sure if this is ideal...
[19:53] <bschaefer> MCR1, what does it normally get set to?
[19:54] <bschaefer> MCR1, looking at that, it should be fine
[19:55] <MCR1> bschaefer: Some initialize bools with true...
[19:55] <bschaefer> MCR1, hmm, let me look some more at the code
[19:55] <bschaefer> it might need to be true
[20:30] <mterry> fginther, I wanted to look at the jenkins failures in https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity-scope-gdrive/dailybootstrap/+merge/134521 but the links are for a local jenkins install
[20:37] <popey> mterry, bodge s-jenkins IP <IP_ADDRESS> into your hosts file for a quick/dirty fix?
[20:38] <popey> mterry, or manually s/s-jenkins/<IP_ADDRESS>/ in those urls
[20:38] <popey> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/unity-scope-gdrive-ci/build=pbuilder,distribution=raring,flavor=amd64/5/console works for me
[20:39] <mterry> popey, fair enough
[20:55] <fginther> mterry, did popey's suggestion work for you?  I'll ping the owner of this job to have it published to the external server
[20:55] <mterry> fginther, uh, let me see
[20:55] <mterry> fginther, nope.  I get "could not connect to <IP_ADDRESS>:8080"
[20:57] <popey> you have vpn setup?
[20:57] <popey> via batuan?
[20:58] <mterry> nope
[20:58] <mterry> I should have guessed with a 10. address
[20:59] <bschaefer> mterry, do you have a link of what you are trying to access?
[20:59]  * bschaefer has VPN
[20:59] <mterry> bschaefer, fginther is grabbing me a log I think
[21:00] <mterry> thanks though!
[21:00] <bschaefer> mterry, awesome, I was about to :)
[21:01] <bschaefer> mterry, (here it is anyway: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1361226/)
[21:01] <fginther> mterry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1361227/
[21:01] <fginther> wow, consecutive numbers
[21:02] <bschaefer> nice
[21:02] <mterry> fginther, bschaefer: Thanks!
[21:02] <mterry> fginther, this build error is dumb.  Couldn't resolve bazaar.launchpad.net
[21:02] <mterry> fginther, is that build job broken?
[21:04] <bregma> must be the internets that's broken
[21:04] <fginther> mterry, there have been some infrastructure/networking changes regarding the build host. However, these should have cleared up before #5 ran
[21:05] <mterry> fginther, a separate gdrive branch just passed jenkins, so maybe it's fine now
[21:05] <mterry> fginther, though I notice that I'm not a member of ~online-accounts
[21:06] <fginther> mterry, you're membership should not matter, the branch is accessed via a special account
[21:06] <mterry> fginther, yeah, but it prevents me from toggling branch status
[21:07] <fginther> grumble...
[21:07] <mterry> fginther, it's odd that we use online-accounts for that one branch anyway
[21:08] <fginther> mterry, let me see if I can kick it
[21:09] <mterry> fginther, thanks.  I have to run an errand right now anyway, but we can catch up later
[22:02] <MCR1> bschaefer, andyrock, Trevinho: We have quite a bit of multimonitor bugs, which need to be fixed - One of them is that the Place Plugin's settings being ignored, because Unity is loaded after Place and got it's own window-place function. How can we best ensure in this function that the Place plug-in's Place function is called also ?
[22:04] <bschaefer> MCR1, make a bug about it
[22:05]  * bschaefer isnt 100% sure off the top of my head
[22:05] <MCR1> bug 874146
[22:06] <MCR1> bschaefer: Do you run a multimonitor config ?
[22:06] <bschaefer> nope
[22:06] <MCR1> :(
[22:07] <andyrock> MCR1, are you talking about UnityWindow::place() ?
[22:08] <MCR1> bschaefer: The problem is we have 2 place functions, which do not work together correctly - yes
[22:08] <MCR1> andyrock: yes
[22:08] <MCR1> exactly
[22:08] <andyrock> and PlaceWindow is not called right?
[22:08] <andyrock> PlaceWindow::place
[22:08] <MCR1> and the combination with the place plug-in
[22:08] <andyrock> or something like that
[22:09] <MCR1> yes, the whole place plug-in gets ignored
[22:09] <MCR1> so windows do not open correctly on the right monitor as specified
[22:09] <andyrock> MCR1, did you talk with duflu?
[22:10] <MCR1> but if you load the place plugin after unityshell it works correctly
[22:10] <MCR1> no, but I talked with smspillaz
[22:10] <MCR1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/874146/comments/30
[22:11] <MCR1> here you can see how it *should* work
[22:14] <andyrock> MCR1, I'm not too much in the problem but have you tried to call window->place(...) in UnityWindow::place
[22:14] <MCR1> Sam told me  we need to look at UnityWindow::place to see if you can prevent unity from overriding the place plugin
[22:14] <MCR1> So can I just call  CompWindow::place () inside of unityshell.cpp, yes ?
[22:16] <andyrock> hmmm let me check the code
[22:17] <MCR1> andyrock: It would be great if you can help here, because it is a really nasty bug - I've fixed it here (but with the wrong solution - by just ensuring that place gets started after uniutyshell...)
[22:18] <MCR1> Here my discussion with Sam: https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/compiz/compiz.merge-fix874146-place-plugin-broken/+merge/130672
[22:19] <andyrock> MCR1, ::place returns a bool, do you know why?
[22:20] <MCR1> To be honest: no ;)
[22:21] <MCR1> you mean the place from place.cpp ?
[22:23] <andyrock> no all the place functions :)
[22:23] <MCR1> yeah, just noticed...
[22:23] <andyrock> btw you just need to call window->place inside UnityWindow::place
[22:24] <MCR1> I simply could not believe that the solution for this nasty long-time bug could be so simple...
[22:25] <andyrock> MCR1, one moment
[22:27] <MCR1> andyrock: It is the same Sam suggested...
[22:27] <andyrock> MCR1, calling it ensures that place window is called too
[22:28] <MCR1> moving bool result = window->place(pos); to the top of the function ?
[22:30] <andyrock> MCR1 can you tell me a fast way to reproduce the bug?
[22:30] <MCR1> sure, but you need multimonitor ofc
[22:31] <MCR1> best see the description here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/compiz/compiz.merge-fix874146-place-plugin-broken/+merge/130672
[22:31] <MCR1> see [Test Case]
[22:31] <MCR1> andyrock: Thx 4 your help here :)
[22:32] <andyrock> MCR1, yeah i've a multimonitor
[22:32] <MCR1> ;)
[22:37] <andyrock> brb
[22:44] <andyrock> MCR1, i can reproduce the bug in the MP description
[22:44] <andyrock> it works just fine with the terminal
[22:44] <andyrock> the windows open in the correct monitor
[22:44] <andyrock> at the correct position
[22:45] <MCR1> So you mean the Place plug-in settings are working correctly in current trunk ?
[22:45] <MCR1> Or with the fix applied ?
[22:47] <andyrock> with quantal vanilla
[22:47] <andyrock> MCR1,
[22:49] <andyrock> and with unity-trunk too
[22:50] <MCR1> so can you reproduce the bug or you cannot reproduce it ?
[22:50] <MCR1> sry - it is already late here ;)
[22:53] <andyrock> MCR1, I cannot reproduce it :)
[22:54] <andyrock> it's late for me too (23:54)
[22:54] <MCR1> strange, but good news... I wonder when this changed - but perfect if it is fixed already...
[22:55] <MCR1> so you can set the terminal window to open where the mousepointer is, yes ?
[22:57] <MCR1> andyrock: Thx a lot 4 your help @ late hours...
[22:58] <andyrock> MCR1, yeah my terminal follolow my mouse
[22:58] <andyrock> *follows
[22:59] <MCR1> great, fix released without any code then :)
[23:02] <andyrock> MCR1, don't change the status for the moment
[23:03] <MCR1> ok
[23:03] <andyrock> MCR1, maybe it happens only for some monitor configurations
[23:04] <MCR1> I could reproduce it 100%, but I am too tired to remove my fix here and retest...
[23:05] <andyrock> MCR1, your monitor resolution?
[23:05] <MCR1> 1920x1200 and 1280x1024
[23:05] <MCR1> and 1920 x1080
[23:05] <MCR1> which does not work as triple config with fglrx @ the moment...
[23:06] <andyrock> so 3 monitors?
[23:06] <MCR1> but worked as 3-screen with gallium
[23:06] <MCR1> yes
[23:06] <MCR1> well, 2 monitors and a TV :)
[23:06] <Klap-in> i have here also a maximizing problem with two different screens, don't know if it is also this place issue..
[23:06] <MCR1> but with fglrx just the 2 monitors are active
[23:07] <Klap-in> hmm, sorry on precise
[23:07] <MCR1> Klap-in: No, that is probably bug 751605
[23:08] <MCR1> Klap-in: duflu is already working on it :)
[23:09] <Klap-in> MCR1: you're right!
[23:09] <Klap-in> nice
[23:10] <MCR1> Hope it will backported to Precise once it's fixed, but guess it will be - but do not hold your breath while waiting for it ;)
[23:17] <Klap-in> improvement of the multimonitor behavior would be great, of course ;)
[23:17] <MCR1> Klap-in: I agree 123%
[23:44] <mterry> fginther, hey, I was noticing that the jenkins jobs for unity seem to be based on quantal still.  Seems wrong, no?


 https://developer.puri.sm/index.html
 This might be very useful in future!!
 Is anyone working on a not-webapp/not-kdb-compatible password manager?
 my phone crashed and on reboot cannot connect to internet
 it looks like it may have updated itself today...
 yikes
 wifi is back.
 @Christopher, fp2 owner here, so kind of weird crash veteran. if after rebott things don't look right, a full power cycle (OFF and ON, not reboot) or even a battery pull between OFF and ON tends to help.
 @Christopher, [Edit] fp2 owner here, so kind of weird crash veteran. if after reboot things don't look right, a full power cycle (OFF and ON, not reboot) or even a battery pull between OFF and ON tends to help.
 during crash some things don't clean up after themselves, and during reboot some thngs don't actually power down completely.
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[11:44] <ubptgbot> theHari08 was added by: theHari08
 quick question. does OPO have desktop mode though miracast or wired connection?
[12:04] <ubptgbot> Danceswithcats was added by: Danceswithcats
 Hello. Does ubuntu touch support caldav and carddav?
 For Calendar yes
 Brilliant. How about contacts? I can't find anything about it in the app store.
 Just CalDAV. No one has written CardDAV support.
 Okay. Thanks to both of you.
 Some interesting discussion on the topic here: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1026/carddav-contacts-support
 Excellent. I'll look at it now. Much appreciated.
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/dav.html @thepeter
 @Danceswithcats ^
 Okay, that looks doableish.
 There are good workarounds for contacts like using nextcloud
 @malditobastardo, Right. I was going to setup a local nextcloud before I installed ubuntu touch on my Fairphone. I've just got to save for a monitor and pi or an old laptop to run as a server.
 @thepeter, ups 😅
 @jonny, 👍
 @jonny, np
 @amolith, funny you should mention that.  I was just lurking in some group and saw Mikel post something like this (have not had a second to look yet...): … [Forwarded from Mikel Larrea] … https://github.com/LarreaMikel/KeePassTouch/commit/49b12ef320642d06fdca0c623f2f2fae49feb56a
 the word 'Keepass' got my attention....
 I just want some password manager that I can import from CSV to lol. I jumped through hoops to no avail trying to convert .csv to .kdb but it looks like you have to import everything manually or simply start with a KeePass application lol
 DannyGB has uploaded the original project to openstore ;)  … https://github.com/DannyGB/KeePassTouch
 but it is kdb
 also you can try keeweb.
 I tried keeweb but it only imports kdb
 you can try importing csv file in keepassxc (desktop)
 and see if it works correctly.
 I tried that and it didn't lol
 then save a kdb file...
 oh
 then... I don't know...
 sry
 csv?
 I tried so many different KeePass dekstop applications and none of them worked lol
 @LarreaMikel, Thank you though!
 ;)
 well, i mean, how big of a csv is it really. just do it manually and get it over with. CSV is one of those things that will likely fail to parse in some way no matter what you use to parse it, especially if it wasn't constructed in a standard way
 I have over 200 passwords so that would take for**ever** lol
 [Edit] I have over 200 passwords so that would take forever lol
 well, have you considered python then
 or https://keepass.info/help/base/importexport.html
 Welcome @theHari08  !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started, we have language groups available.
 My Nexus 5 is running very leggy today
 I wonder why
 @malditobastardo, I also have those days 😆
 😹😹😹
 Love the UT kb
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/n9cIozCL.png
 reboot?
 Yeah just rebooted now is a bit better
 I don't know the reason maybe its because its too warm outside?
 Like 30c
 you had multiple unity8 and terminal processes; so presumably something went very wrong
 especially since they were using so much CPU
 I see
 also the swap got filled, so probably something was hitting flash when accessing RAM
 Thanks for the input
 Yeah I noticed that too
 The only thing I did it was just browsing
 The last 24hs
 But well now is good again
 that's a lot of browsing. maybe consult a therapist about your addiction? :)
 😹😹😹
 Good catch as usual mr Rodney
 @Flohack, Me too.
 #
 media controls work in Sailfish....doesn't it use bluez as well?
 @Javacookies, AVRCP?
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 hi everybody, is there any point in installing ubports on a "not supported" device?
 hi
 there is no way to install ubports on a not supported device really. you would have to create a port to the device first
 @Javacookies, not sure what you're asking exactly
 @dohbee, What I understood is:  … a) "Media control" (I assume the avrcp protocol) works in another phone OS … b) it uses the same program in the back … c) So why we don't have it?
 @dohbee, ok, thx
 @Gorsh2, Because no one has developed the code to hook the Ubuntu Touch media frontend to it, or that code is broken?
 well, bluetooth is a very special thing
 extremely
 i have a new trackball which i couldn't pair with 16.04 on multiple PCs
 but which would pair with 15.04 on my nexus 4, and with 18.04 on one of the PCs
 even after backporting the newer version of bluez from 18.04 to 16.04, it still wouldn't pair
 so there is assuredly something outside of bluez on the phone, related to profile support, at least for mice
 Trackballs are the best
 appearantly discord ❤  open source 😂
 Uh
 Do they?
 @Fuseteam, Can you please expand?
 you can expand in @ubports_ot i guess
 Unless they love opensource enough to make a ubuntu phone app which I dont imagine being the case.
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 @advocatux, Ok, thank you
 👍
 @PhoenixLandPirate, to "expand":https://discordapp.com/open-source
 i dunno if they are aware of uPhone
 We dont use discord anyways we use Telegram and Matrix, but it is funny that they say "we love open source we host their conversations on closed systems"
 lol well at least they're not enemies AND the offer "partner benefits"
 lol
 Source or GTFO
 afaik they're also in convo with the snapcrafters group so who knows 😏
 lol
 @Fuseteam, Yeah. Snaps of electron client app
 snaps are weird ik
 When snaps work on ubuntu phone, your phone could be your portable nextcloud server.
 ibus ime don't work in snaps atm
 That's not a close proposition
 @PhoenixLandPirate, You don't need snaps for that.
 not a close proposition?
 Snaps arent a close proposition
 Snaps won't work soon.
 And they don't solve any of our problems
 Snaps have been shown to be more difficult then first anticipated
 I mean maybe you can install snapd and install a snap
 But that doesn't grant you anything
 in fact snaps introduce problems as far as i've seen
 I dont remember what because its a while since we've talked about it, but I believe we'll probably have a talk about it after OTA5 depending on how things develop.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Well, libertine
 @Fuseteam, Well, canonical isn't doing phones any more, so yeah
 Well, yeah
 Run all the x11 arm snaps you want in libertine
 @dohbee, Yeah but snappy core is still a thing, shouldnt work on that still help us?
 All two of them
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Not really
 We'd have to do all the work, and basically fork snaps to get things done


 OK, I think you've missed the point about nation builder, no matter. Do we have a Patron account for Kubuntu ?
 No, but we should get one.
 Email to users list re YouTube channel subscriptions sent 😁
 Right back to bed, it's 4am UK time, I woke up with indigestion from Spicy Chicken wings, and Pantomime insomnia, lol. Catch you all later.
[15:39] <clivejo> so I managed to speak with Clemens about river (old KCI server) which is still active.  I proposed the idea of using it as a test server for anyone wanting to work on a new CI rewritten in Python
[15:40] <clivejo> thoughts on that?
[15:40] <clivejo> He is fine with us using it as such
[15:41] <clivejo> I believe it is based in Australia or somewhere in that area of the world, so can be a bit slow at times
[15:42] <clivejo> would like to hear yofel's opinion
 Actually I think it would be better to have a new clean server, leaving both River and the current as reference servers, so we can check on how stuff got setup in the past etc...
 Also I think we need to get hold of @yofel to discuss any costs he might still be incurring for Linode stuff, and what action he would like us to take. i.e take over funding, sort out new provider.... ec..
 @Sick_Rimmit We got linode free for another year. Phil may need paying for the period between that year starting and the expiry of our old spnsorship though.