[00:30] <akgraner> hggdh, pong
[02:34] <jcastro> duanedesign: pign
[02:34] <jcastro> er, ping
[02:58] <paultag> thanks there akgraner :)
[04:14] <nigelb> jcastro: I need a review from someone
[04:16] <nhandler> nigelb: For what?
[04:19] <nigelb> nhandler: summit colors
[04:44] <mhall119> nigelb: the one you linked to earlier today (yesterday for you)?
[04:44] <nigelb> mhall119: yeah
[04:44] <mhall119> I didn't see anything wrong with the code, as long as the colors work I'm okay with it
[04:45] <mhall119> did you create track names identical to what's in production to test it?
[04:45] <nigelb> yeah
[04:45] <nigelb> jcastro put all the tracknames in the bug
[04:45] <mhall119> give me the link again and I'll approve it
[04:45] <nigelb> I created all of those
[04:45] <nigelb> https://code.launchpad.net/~nigelbabu/summit/fix-colors/+merge/59254
[04:46] <mhall119> there you go
[04:46] <mhall119> feel free to land it in trunk
[04:46] <nigelb> \o/
[04:51] <nigelb> mhall119: erm, how do I land, just go to a fresh branch and pull from my branch?
[04:57] <nigelb> jcastro: colors have landed in trunk :)
[05:00] <mhall119> nigelb: generally you get a local branch of trunk, then "bzr merge" in your changes into it, then "bzr push" it back to lp:summit
[05:02] <mhall119> which is what it looks like you did
[05:02] <nigelb> mhall119: I have a whole setup for that
[05:02] <nigelb> (a) summit folder where I actually do changes
[05:02] <nigelb> then a summit-dev folder into which trunk is imported
[05:02] <nigelb> and then I branch from that to create new branches
[05:03] <nigelb> I import patches from my summit folder into the new branches to push them
[06:05] <JFo> well, looks like tornadoes are happening all around me, so if I am not online tomorrow I must have lost power. :-/
[06:05] <JFo> gonna go and gather up some things in case the worst happens
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:12] <nigelb> morning dholbach :)
[07:12] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:14] <duanedesign> *yawn* morning friends
[07:20] <dholbach> hi duanedesign
[07:58] <dpm> good morning all
[08:06] <dholbach> hi dpm
[08:07] <dpm> hey dholbach, good morning!
[08:09] <dholbach>  /j #ubuntu-release-party
[08:12] <dpm> \o/
[09:28] <nigelb> popey: unfair :p
[09:28] <popey> :D
[09:28] <nigelb> brilliant social engineering hack though :)
[09:36]  * nigelb hugs Daviey
[11:18] <dholbach> is there a hashtag that people use for ubuntu release already?
[11:20] <nigelb> not yet, no.
[11:22] <dholbach> which one would make sense?
[11:27] <Pendulum> #lastubuntureleasepeoplecanspell ;-)
[11:27] <dholbach> and more seriously? :)
[11:28] <dholbach> #ubuntu1104? #ubuntu #natty? #ubunturelease? #ubuntureleaseday?
[11:28] <dholbach> not very imaginative, I know :)
[11:40] <dholbach> I guess #ubuntu and #natty should be just fine :)
[11:40] <nigelb> Pendulum: I like that one :p
[11:44] <nigelb> dholbach: you should watch over cjwatson's shoulder's and tweet :p
[11:44] <nigelb> dholbach: like debian did ;)
[11:45] <dholbach> nigelb, that's a bit hard for me - there's a couple hundred kilometers and one ocean separating us
[11:45] <nigelb> dholbach: pfft, silly excuses :p
[11:45] <dholbach> yeah, I know
[11:45] <dholbach> nothing's impossible in the world of Ubuntu
[11:45] <nigelb> dholbach: also, I think some might call it blasphemous calling English Channel an ocean :p
[11:46] <dholbach> isn't it part of some ocean or something?
[11:47]  * nigelb looks at popey for English geography..
[11:47] <popey> Busiest shipping lane in the world
[11:47] <popey> English Channel :)
[12:01] <dholbach> do you think #ubuntu can beat #RoyalWedding today? ;-)
[12:02] <nigelb> lets work on that :P
[12:02] <nigelb> its all happening in the same city :p
[12:03] <dholbach> a couple of people RTed my @ubuntudev tweet
[12:11] <nigelb> lol, trolling with /nick in -r-p
[12:13] <daker> Happy Natty day :D
[12:32] <jcastro> Daviey: ping
[12:32] <jcastro> nigelb: nice work!
[12:32] <nigelb> jcastro: :)
[12:32] <Daviey> jcastro, o.
[12:33] <nigelb> jcastro: if someone doesn't like the colors, redirect them to me :)
[12:33] <jcastro> Daviey: sessions appear to be in the sidebar but not scheduled, did you cron it?
[12:36] <Daviey> jcastro, yes
[12:37] <Daviey> jcastro, those are all giving out put of:
[12:37] <Daviey> Gave up scheduling tr-server-dma-per-device-coherency
[12:37] <Daviey> Gave up scheduling server-o-user-namespace
[12:37] <Daviey> Gave up scheduling server-o-tomcat7-packaging
[12:37] <jcastro> any idea why?
[12:38] <jcastro> Daviey: oh, I need to rename serverandcloud to server in tracks in summit I take it
[12:39] <nigelb> oh noooo
[12:39] <nigelb> that means one more change I guess
[12:40] <jcastro> yeah sorry
[12:40] <jcastro> I just looked and he went "server" and not "serverandcloud"
[12:41] <nigelb> jcastro: are you changing for sure? I'll do it right away so daviey can update
[12:41] <jcastro> let's just go with server on summit, the visible text says "and cloud" anyway and I don't want to make an entire team rename stuff
[12:41] <nigelb> jcastro: or we can change it after 2 hours when I get home.
[12:41] <jcastro> nigelb: yeah let's just do it now
[12:41]  * nigelb gets to it
[12:46] <paultag> anyone know where doko is?
[12:46] <paultag> I can't find him anywhere on IRC, but nickserv says he's online
[12:46] <dholbach> paultag, try doko_
[12:47] <paultag> dholbach: PM him, do you mean?
[12:47] <dholbach> a "dok<tab>" in #ubuntu-devel told me
[12:47] <paultag> oh, hum. I'm not in #ubuntu-devel, just -motu
[12:47] <paultag> thanks dholbach
[12:49] <paultag> dholbach: all set, thanks :)
[12:52] <jcastro> dholbach: we did it!
[12:52] <jcastro> 11.04 is out and we didn't kill ourselves!
[12:58] <nigelb> jcastro: 'yet'
[12:58] <jcastro> heh
[12:59] <nigelb> im installing bzr to get the color changes in
[12:59] <nigelb> (work laptop)
[13:12] <jcastro> nigelb: having one color off isn't so bad
[13:12] <nigelb> jcastro: ok, I'll fix when I get home :)
[13:12] <jcastro> Daviey: but the ones stuck not scheduling should sort themselves now that I renamed the track right?
[13:12] <mhall119> jcastro: this has seemed to be a pretty calm release, especially for totally changing the desktop interface
[13:13] <jcastro> mhall119: we're only like an hour in
[13:13] <jcastro> mhall119: the next few weeks will tell the tale
[13:13] <mhall119> but we are an hour in, no last-minute CD image rebuilds
[13:13] <jcastro> oh oh, that kind of thing
[13:13] <jcastro> yeah, Kate ftw.
[13:14] <JanC> hm, why does "stackapplet" duplicate everything in an appindicator and the messaging menu now?
[13:14] <jcastro> JanC: I think he's in the process of moving to the messaging menu
[13:14] <jcastro> JanC: some help there would be appreciated, it shouldn't even be an applet imo, just messaging menu and notifications
[13:15] <JanC> well, and a configuration dialog that can be summoned somehow, I suppose
[13:18] <jcastro> it's in there in the applet
[13:18] <jcastro> it just kind of sucks, I think you need to like remember your username, etc.
[13:18] <jcastro> er, your user number or something
[13:19] <JanC> you need your user number
[13:20] <mhall119> yours isn't 1000?
[13:20] <jcastro> mine is 235
[13:21] <JanC> for askubuntu it's 9xx for me
[13:22] <JanC> jcastro: it has a check for associated accounts feature though, so you only need to remember one for all of stackexchange (if you link your accounts)
[13:37] <jcastro> JanC: yeah, it's just weird
[13:37] <jcastro> compared to like some of the nicer apps on phones the app's account thing kind of sucks
[13:37] <jcastro> but now that the lens is being made maybe we can combine both apps into one nice one
[14:06] <dholbach> jcastro_, ha - I saw your comment just now :)
[14:06]  * dholbach hugs jcastro_
[14:06] <jcastro_> heh
[14:08] <jcastro> Daviey: so .... the schedule
[14:09] <Daviey> jcastro, so so
[14:10] <jcastro> Daviey: hey wait a minute
[14:10] <jcastro> are you  guys like partying in millbank right now?
[14:11] <jcastro> "what about UDS?" "Who care, pass me that bottle of champagne!"
[14:11] <mhall119> probably, but they do that every day
[14:11] <jcastro> heh
[14:30] <james_w`> does anyone know how often the autoscheduler is currently being run, and when the last time it ran was?
[14:30] <james_w`> or indeed the script to associate sessions with their tracks
[14:31] <mhall119> jcastro probably knows, or Daviey
[14:31] <jcastro> james_w`: hourly.
[14:31] <jcastro> james_w`: something is stuck
[14:31] <james_w`> ok
[14:31] <jcastro> I panged, but I think Daviey is getting hammered at Millbank.
[14:32] <jcastro> james_w`: there's a script he runs that associates the sessions
[14:32] <jcastro> james_w`: the BPs are in the system (I see them in the admin interface), so they're getting imported at least
[14:32] <jcastro> james_w`: also I have you and salgado admin on summit
[14:32] <james_w`> jcastro, ah, thanks for admin access, I can see for myself now :-)
[14:33] <jcastro> yeah but his thing needs shell on the box iirc
[14:33] <jcastro> and afaict only Daviey has that
[14:33] <jcastro> though I'm sure you can ask IS
[14:33]  * Daviey reads scrollback
[14:34] <jcastro> james_w`: I was going to go "so we can get someone reliable to run the thing", but I figured I was trolling.
 james_w`: there's a script he runs that associates the sessions
[14:34] <Daviey> Yes, but it needs refreshing for the tracks every cycle
[14:34] <Daviey> james_w`, It is running hourly.
[14:35] <jcastro> Daviey: can we hook up james and salgado with access to that?
[14:36] <james_w`> Daviey, so it needs a code change?
[14:37] <Daviey> james_w`, Hmm... it's actually not quite as a i remember it
[14:37] <Daviey> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/trunk/view/head:/summit/schedule/management/commands/trackfix.py
[14:37] <Daviey> essentially $TRACK-etctectetctetcetctetctetc
[14:38] <jcastro> Daviey: fyi I updated the slug in the admin page to be just "server"
[14:38] <james_w`> yeah
[14:38] <Daviey> It used to be more dirty... http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/trunk/revision/12
[14:38] <james_w`> Daviey, I can fix that for us
[14:38] <Daviey> ^^ That is how i remembered it
[14:39] <james_w`> Daviey, we can do it that way, but be dynamic by querying tracks I guess?
[14:39] <Daviey> james_w`, Honestly, i do not mind.
[14:39] <james_w`> Daviey, leave it with me then
[14:40] <Daviey> james_w`, groovy.
[14:40] <jcastro> \o/
[14:41] <paultag> happy release day, all
[14:42] <popey> \o/
[14:43] <jcastro> I am glad we can enjoy the release, despite popey shutting down community mailing lists.
[14:43]  * jcastro snickers
[14:44]  * Pendulum giggles
[14:44] <jcastro> popey: j/k (hugs)
[14:44] <Pendulum> jcastro: no, it's not popey it's Canonical. Remember?
[14:45] <paultag> which don't apply because all the servers are not in america anywho :)
[14:46] <paultag> dholbach: o'rly? :)
[14:46]  * popey ragequits
[14:46] <paultag> jcastro: :P
[14:46] <dholbach> jcastro, haha
[14:46] <jcastro> popey: that's it, I AM MOVING TO ARCH.
[14:48] <paultag> jcastro: you and your "unity" can go to arch, we don't want you on "Sounder Microsoft-sucks GNU/Linux+ 3.2r1-20010"
[14:50] <paultag> (Codename "Freedom Ferret")
[14:55] <jcastro> joey: this linaro call still on?
[14:57] <joey> jcastro: yah
[14:57] <joey> morn
[14:57] <jcastro> james_w`: hey no pressure, kiko's asking where the sessions are...
[14:57] <joey> jcastro: it's the only reason I got up at 6 :-)
[14:57] <joey> er 7
[15:01] <james_w`> jcastro, it's implemented, I'm just testing now
[15:01] <james_w`> and participating in two conf calls at the same time :-)
[15:01] <joey> jcastro: question - can you paste me the mini-summit blueprints
[15:02] <joey> jcastro: david wants to sign-up for those in the tool
[15:02] <maco> paultag: and also because ubuntu isnt a wing of the federal government
[15:02] <jcastro> joey: there aren't any minisummit blueprints, I scheduled them manually remember?
[15:02] <paultag> maco: :)
[15:03] <joey> jcastro: yeah. So how do we do get people to sign up for them and mark attendance required? :-)
[15:03] <joey> if it was easy we wouldn't be employed :-)
[15:03] <jcastro> joey: we don't, we just make sure that no other sessions from that track are scheduled around it
[15:03] <jcastro> it's impossible to schedule such large chunks because summit is designed to force people to move rooms
[15:03] <jcastro> so I had to manually schedule it and break shit
[15:04] <joey> jcastro: I don't think that will work because david will want to join other tracks since he's a cross-track person.
[15:04] <jcastro> joey: it's the best I can do
[15:04] <jcastro> I mean, we can try to assign it a bp if you want
[15:04] <jcastro> but I'm not sure it will associate the entire block with one bp
[15:05] <jcastro> since I had to break it up to make it fit on the schedule
[15:05] <jcastro> so like it would enforce attendance for the first hour
[15:07] <james_w`> jcastro, can we set david as the approver in the admin interface
[15:07] <czajkowski> Aloha
[15:09] <joey> jcastro: worth a try :-) Thanks though. I was afraid that was the right answer.
[15:09] <joey> jcastro: we can go play god and fix it all
[15:09] <jcastro> yeah
[15:09] <jcastro> it won't be so bad
[15:09] <jcastro> they're color coded
[15:09] <jcastro> it will take like 5 minutes
[15:10] <jcastro> james_w`: sure, what's the lp username?
[15:10] <joey> jcastro: thanks mate, you did well
[15:11] <james_w`> in fact
[15:12] <james_w`> I'm pretty sure we can create a BP and have people sign up there
[15:12] <james_w`> and the system will then do the normal participation essential thing
[15:12] <jcastro> joey: we can try it, but we should really test it
[15:12] <jcastro> it would suck if we think it works
[15:12] <jcastro> and it doesn't
[15:12] <jcastro> and he misses some critical session
[15:12] <james_w`> I'll test doing this locally
[15:13] <james_w`> it may cause it to get rescheduled
[15:16] <Daviey> james_w`, If a session has been manually scheduled, it will never be re-scheduled if there is a conflict.
[15:16] <Daviey> The assumption being, that if it was manually scheduled - the track leads know better than the algorithm
[15:20] <doctormo> Hmm, isn't there usually more of a fanfare for ubuntu releases?
[15:20] <Pendulum> doctormo: what do you mean? there's an entire bank holiday in the UK tomorrow to celebrate ;-)
[15:21] <doctormo> Pendulum: I mean on planet ubuntu and other sites... I only heard the news from external sources this time.
[15:21] <Pendulum> hmm
[15:22] <joey> jcastro: can you ping me that bp for the uds review  session?
[15:24] <james_w`> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/summit/tracks-with-dashes/+merge/59375
[15:24] <james_w`> Daviey, fix for trackfix ^
[15:24] <Daviey> james_w`, ta
[15:26] <mhall119> doctormo: well, ubuntu.com was updated
[15:27] <jcastro> joey: I still need a description of the memory management summit for: http://uds.ubuntu.com/tracks/
[15:29] <mhall119> there's a memory management summit going on too?
[15:31] <joey> jcastro: jesse sent that to you a few days ago via email.  I can go find it and forward it if you don't have it
[15:31] <jcastro> please do
[15:31] <jcastro> I have graphics
[15:32] <joey> jcastro: oh I see... you're not crazy it was missing on the email. I'll get that done
[15:35] <Daviey> jcastro / james_w`: Landed that branch in production... grepped output after second run, http://pb.daviey.com/CdKT/raw/
[15:35] <james_w`> Daviey, sweet, thanks, I'll chase that up
[15:36] <james_w`> joey, did we kill the multimedia track?
[15:36] <joey> james_w`: yes
[15:36] <jcastro> yeah it's gone
[15:37] <james_w`> joey, linaro-multimedia-o-multimedia-and-landing-teams <- what track do you want that on?
[15:37] <james_w`> jcastro, do you know what track arm sessions are going in?
[15:37] <james_w`> ditto cert
[15:37] <jcastro> james_w`: I need to talk to davidm still
[15:37] <jcastro> as soon as I get a split second to
[15:37] <james_w`> kernel too
[15:37] <james_w`> sure
[15:37] <james_w`> just trying to take care of things if they are clear, not trying to hassle you
[15:37] <jcastro> james_w`: jono thinks they should go mostly in foundations
[15:37] <jcastro> or desktop, or kernel
[15:37] <jcastro> independant of the hw
[15:38] <joey> james_w`: Kurt and others from MM will not be there
[15:38] <joey> james_w`: so I don't think there will be anyone in attendance for that session from MM
[15:40] <doctormo> mhall119: Yes, I saw that.
[15:42] <jcastro> oh dude
[15:42] <jcastro> james_w`:
[15:42] <jcastro> I bet we could do different shades of green
[15:42] <james_w`> yeah
[15:42] <jcastro> in the colors
[15:42] <jcastro> that would be low hanging easy fruit
[15:43] <doctormo> jcastro: Need help on picking shades of green?
[15:45] <jussi> want want want: http://www.trimslice.com/images/Trim-Slice-brochure-low-res.jpg
[15:45] <james_w`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600300/ are the Ubuntu sessions that won't be autoscheduled for Ubuntu currently
[15:46] <jussi> doctormo: I hear congratulations are in order?
[15:46] <james_w`> joey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/600298/ are the problematic ones for Linaro
[15:46] <doctormo> jussi: Yes, I did successfully draw a picture.
[15:46] <jussi> hehe
[15:47] <doctormo> jussi: But yes, exciting times ahead.
[15:47] <jussi> doctormo: congratulations. :D
[15:48] <jono> hey folks
[15:48] <doctormo> jussi: Thanks for saying the full word. Appreciated.
[15:48] <jussi> :)
[15:48] <doctormo> hey jono, any exciting news?
[15:48] <jussi> Heya jono!!
[15:48] <jcastro> doctormo: james_w` will need help with the shades of green
[15:48] <jono> doctormo, nothing much, something going on today I think ;-)
[15:49] <jcastro> doctormo: but not right this sec, need to get the scheduler working.
[15:49] <jono> doctormo, hey congrats on the news!
[15:49] <jcastro> doctormo: hold that thought!
[15:49] <jcastro> doctormo: it'll be ~7 shades of green
[15:50] <doctormo> jono: I haven't seen much news of anything special going on today... unless the planet is broken ;-)
[15:52] <doctormo> Actually I think it might be, I posted a blog a while ago and it's not yet up on the planet.
[15:53] <jcastro> joey: I need to drop out to prep for a Qt call.
[15:53] <jcastro> joey: I think I'm done here, cna you run interference for me if something comes up?
[15:53] <jcastro> I don't want to interrupt this guy
[15:53] <joey> jcastro: yes sir, thanks for your help
[15:53] <nigelb> bah, stuck at work :\
[15:54] <james_w`> \o/
[15:54] <james_w`> we can use BPs for the mini-summits
[15:55] <james_w`> we have to use 1 per-day, but it should work, and then we can have people sign up to avoid the clashes
[15:55] <jcastro> ok, awesome
[15:56] <Technoviking> morning all
[15:56] <jcastro> joey: can you file those today? I've my hands full with my own team right now. :)
[15:57] <james_w`> jcastro, if you're happy with it then I'll take care of it
[15:57] <jcastro> james_w`: sure, roll with it!
[15:57] <james_w`> ok
[15:58] <jcastro> james_w`: do you know how to associate a BP with an existing session that was put into summit by hand?
[15:58] <james_w`> jcastro, they have to have the same name. If they don't then I don't think it is possible without a hack
[15:58] <jcastro> ok, whatever works
[15:59] <jcastro> james_w`: we'll need proper support in the future for long running sessions
[15:59] <jcastro> so that we can do that + sessions and get conflict resolution, etc. without having summit freak out because it's the same track back to back
[16:00] <james_w`> jcastro, I think you can just go to the "slots" parameter of any session to do that
[16:00] <jcastro> yeah
[16:00] <jcastro> the problem is
[16:00] <jcastro> modifying slots is painful
[16:01] <jcastro> and error prone
[16:01] <jcastro> because you have to do like 2 time conversions
[16:01] <jussi> Have peoples seen this? o.O WOW! http://pixlr.com/
[16:01] <doctormo> Hey jono, are people scared of upsetting you?
[16:02] <jono> doctormo, scared of upsetting me?
[16:02] <nigelb> jussi: o.O
[16:03] <doctormo> jono: Did I spell that wrong, frightened, fearful... etc?
[16:03] <jono> doctormo, what are you talking about?
[16:03] <doctormo> jono: Just having a conversation with someone, the claim is that bloggers aren't dissing Unity much because they're scared of you.
[16:03] <nigelb> doctormo: we're scared jono will force us to listen to his band :p
[16:03] <nigelb> (j/k)
[16:04] <jussi> nigelb: its flash based, but apart from that...
[16:04] <jono> doctormo, lol, I doubt it
[16:04] <nigelb> jussi: pretty rocking
[16:04] <jono> mind you, the beatings will continue until morale improves
[16:04] <jono> lol
[16:04] <doctormo> jono: My impression is the same. I'm not scared of jono bacon, or his band. ;-)
[16:05] <nigelb> jono: haha :)
[16:06] <doctormo> "Jonoites", funny word.
[16:12] <mhall119> doctormo: who are you talking to who's afraid of jono
[16:12] <mhall119> ?
[16:12] <mhall119> also, "baconbits" is better than "jonoites"
[16:12] <doctormo> mhall119: Can't really say, but they aren't pleased with the narwhal.
[16:13] <mhall119> what? somebody is unhappy with a new release of Ubuntu?
[16:13]  * mhall119 blames popey
[16:14] <nigelb> mhall119: good call.
[16:20] <james_w`> jcastro, does it need time conversion? I just mean "Slots: 3" under scheduling details in the admin page for any session like you did for the mini-summits
[16:20] <jcastro> OH
[16:20] <jcastro> yeah yeah
[16:20] <james_w`> I don't see why that wouldn't work for BPs, though I don't know if the autoscheduler is smart enough to not screw that up
[16:20] <james_w`> but there aren't that many to schedule by hand if it does
[16:29] <jcastro> dpm: can you file this in the community track
[16:30] <dpm> jcastro, the qt session? yeah
[16:48] <jcastro> dpm: give him this link in your email: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o
[16:50] <dpm> jcastro, ok
[16:52] <jcastro> james_w`: Daviey: are you guys doing surgery or can I schedule some linaro plenaries?
[16:52] <jcastro> (sorry I was on a call, how's it coming along?)
[16:52] <james_w`> jcastro, I'm not doing anything currently
[16:52] <Daviey> jcastro, i'm not touching it atm
[16:53] <jcastro> joey: what's Zach's last name?
[16:56] <james_w`> jcastro, Pfeffer IIRC
[16:56] <daker> dholbach, terroriste attaque in marrakech
[16:56] <james_w`> yeah
[16:56] <dholbach> daker, yeah, I heard about it
[16:56] <dholbach> daker, a friend of mine was there like 3-4 weeks ago
[16:56] <joey> jcastro: what james_w` said
[16:57] <jcastro> joey: and who is 'plars'
[16:57] <jcastro> joey: I'm doing their plenaries now and I am just filling in their names
[16:57] <joey> jcastro: paul larson
[16:57]  * jcastro feels dumb
[16:57] <jcastro> I know paul
[16:58] <paultag> hurm?
[16:58] <jcastro> not you
[16:58] <jcastro> other paul
[16:58]  * paultag goes back to idle
[16:58] <jcastro> jono: do you keep a list of things you will mention during the plenary? I need to add an item for you. :)
[17:00] <jcastro> james_w`: hmm, any idea why new plenaries wouldn't be showing up in the sidebar?
[17:00] <james_w`> jcastro, I saw one
[17:00] <james_w`> jcastro, the "Linaro intro"
[17:00] <jcastro> yeah but none of the new ones are showing up, hmmm
[17:00] <jcastro> yeah
[17:00] <james_w`> oh, ok
[17:02] <james_w`> I don't know, I can't see any difference
[17:02] <jcastro> me either
[17:02] <jcastro> hey maybe it'll just sort itself when the other stuff gets scheduled
[17:02] <jcastro> (hah)
[17:02] <jono> jcastro, I don't have a formalized list, just email me and remind me
[17:02] <jono> :-)
[17:02] <jcastro> jono: ok
[17:03] <jcastro> james_w`: ok so sorry I was on another call, you mentioned you had it working and you were just testing it?
[17:03] <jcastro> what's left to do, just deploy?
[17:03] <james_w`> jcastro, Daviey did that
[17:03] <james_w`> jcastro, so most things are now correctly associated with tracks
[17:03] <james_w`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600300/ are the Ubuntu ones that aren't and so won't be autoscheduled
[17:04] <jcastro> ok so I'm confused
[17:04] <jcastro> we did the colors already right?
[17:04] <james_w`> that I don't know
[17:04] <james_w`> I think so as I saw some changes
[17:04] <jcastro> also the sessions are still not on the schedule
[17:04] <jcastro> it's still the same bunch from the initial import
[17:05] <nigelb> can someone give me some RT love? https://twitter.com/#!/nigelbabu/status/63634595723223040
[17:05] <james_w`> jcastro, I don't know if the autoscheduler has run, I don't have any visibility of that
[17:06] <jcastro> Daviey: yo, put the champagne down.
[17:07] <jcastro> james_w`: he's probably in the server room with elmo putting more hamsters in the summit machine
[17:07] <james_w`> heh
[17:10] <jcastro> james_w`: mhall119: when he's not AFK can we make it so you guys have access to the machine?
[17:10] <jcastro> bus factor!
[17:10] <james_w`> I think mhall119 but not me
[17:11] <james_w`> I don't have the experience, and the fewest people you can get away with is better with something that is fragile
[17:12] <maco> james_w`: why do you have a ` ?
[17:12] <nigelb> maco: didn't you hear? its the new thing ;)
[17:12] <maco> it broke my /msg!
[17:12] <maco> :P
[17:12] <james_w`> :-)
[17:13] <james_w`> because I apparently reconnected overnight, and haven't been able to catch my breath yet today
[17:14] <jcastro> james_w`: I forgot to eat lunch!
[17:14] <nigelb> laters all. leaving home.
[17:14] <nigelb> jcastro: pfft
[17:14] <jcastro> hey nigelb
[17:14] <james_w`> I'm still working up to breakfast!
[17:14] <jcastro> did Daviey commit your color fixes?
[17:14] <maco> im nursing a headache
[17:14] <nigelb> leaving *for home
[17:14] <nigelb> jcastro: didn't get a chance to do it, amazon rds screwed us over. I'm still at work.
[17:15] <jcastro> no I mean from before
[17:15] <jcastro> ok
[17:15] <nigelb> last night, yes.
[17:15] <jcastro> not the serverandcloud->server thing
[17:15] <jcastro> oh ok
[17:15] <jcastro> so it's mostly right, good enough for now
[17:15] <nigelb> ah, I commited it and Daviey pushed it today
[17:15] <nigelb> so, that's up
[17:15] <jcastro> right
[17:15] <jcastro> I'm not convinced that was actually deployed yet, otherwise there would be colors in the boxes
[17:15] <nigelb> serverandcloud->server, gimme 30 mins to grab dinner, get home, and fix it.
[17:16] <nigelb> I did see colors in the boxes earlier today
[17:16] <jcastro> yeah, for the ones where they happened to have the same track name last UDS
[17:16] <jcastro> so like ... "other"
[17:16] <jcastro> and "hardware"
[17:16]  * nigelb looks
[17:17] <nigelb> jcastro: linaro grphics has color
[17:17] <nigelb> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-09/
[17:17] <maco> i should make purple & orange xmas ornaments out of egg shells
[17:17] <nigelb> so does desktop
[17:17] <nigelb> fairly sure it wasn't there
[17:17] <maco> with narwhals on them
[17:17] <JanC> http://noc.bit.nl/stackgraph.php?stackconf=ubuntu   ☺
[17:17] <maco> for lulz
[17:17] <jcastro> right but desktop- and community- don't have colors
[17:17] <jcastro> and they should
[17:18] <nigelb> jcastro: I see color for desktop
[17:18] <nigelb> community is pink
[17:18] <jcastro> AH!
[17:18] <jcastro> CTRL-F5!!!!
[17:18] <nigelb> hahah
[17:18] <nigelb> I was about to suggest
[17:18] <jcastro> hey so we were thinking
[17:18] <jcastro> 5 shades of green for linaro tracks
[17:19] <jcastro> nigelb: but maybe doctormo can help us with the color choosing
[17:19] <nigelb> I did color the android track with the 'right' green
[17:19] <jcastro> haha, awesome
[17:19] <paultag> nigelb: agave
[17:19] <maco> jcastro: oh and then they can argue over whether it's hunter green or forest green for a certain track?
[17:19] <paultag> nigelb: use monochrome, those work awesome
[17:19] <nigelb> sure, just get me the right shades. I choose really really differnt colors so that they can be identified.
[17:19] <paultag> nigelb: trust me
[17:19] <jcastro> maco: I believe you mean GNU/green
[17:20] <jcastro> james_w`: ok so really, the tracks getting stuck is the only issue
[17:20] <nigelb> maco: no its like, hrm, that green is kernel, oh wait, is too light, that's android!
[17:20] <jcastro> james_w`: and maybe we just need to wait until the top of  the hour?
[17:20] <nigelb> oh man
[17:20] <nigelb> bikeshed :p
[17:20] <nigelb> what's th color of linaro :p
[17:20] <jcastro> Can I have my icon in blue? </fightclub>
[17:21] <james_w`> jcastro, most should be fixed now, except those (cert, arm, kernel) where they aren't tracks
[17:21] <nigelb> ok, I really need to go home or I'll not find a place open for dinner :\
[17:21] <james_w`> jcastro, I think it's just the autoscheduler to run now, but I guess it has by now and that points to another problem
[17:21] <jcastro> james_w`: if you click edit on a day's page you'll see the ones in the sidebar, those are  the ones I mean
[17:22] <james_w`> yeah
[17:22] <jcastro> and a bunch of those look named right to me
[17:22] <jcastro> james_w`: oh, and the plenaries showed up
[17:22] <jcastro> the hamsters must have helped
[17:23] <james_w`> heh
[17:24] <jcastro> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/track/community/
[17:24] <jcastro> yeah baby, there's the badger!
[17:25] <james_w`> jcastro, can you give me an example of one that you think should be right from the sidebar, and I'll investigate
[17:26] <jcastro> linaro-platforms-o-server-image
[17:26] <jcastro> for example
[17:27] <jcastro> james_w`: also, is there a way to make it so that even if they don't have a track they just get on the schedule (and just stay white?)
[17:28] <james_w`> probably
[17:28] <jcastro> jono: where should DX tracks go?
[17:29] <jono> jcastro, DX tracks?
[17:29] <jono> you mean sessions?
[17:29] <jcastro> oh, right
[17:29] <jcastro> sorry, long day
[17:29] <jono> jcastro, desktop
[17:33] <dholbach> alright my friends - enjoy release day - see you all tomorrow
[17:35] <jcastro> bye daniel!
[17:35] <jcastro> james_w`: ok I've renamed the DX ones so those should get sorted
[17:36] <james_w`> sweet
[17:38] <james_w`> most of the ubuntu tracks seem to be doing ok now
[17:38] <james_w`> linaro ones certainly aren't
[17:38] <james_w`> I can't see why the linaro-platforms sessions aren't picking up their track
[17:40] <jcastro> yeah I don't know why
[17:40] <jcastro> I have the stubs correct
[17:42] <jcastro> james_w`: oddly enough, linaro graphics seems to be scheduled
[17:43] <james_w`> jcastro, I did one by hand to get it at a specific time
[17:43] <jcastro> ah
[17:49] <james_w`> jcastro, do you know why the rooms all seem to be associated with a few tracks?
[17:51] <james_w`> community, design, desktop, foundations, android, other, security, server
[17:56] <jcastro> james_w`: oh dude, that has to be it!
[17:56] <jcastro> probably because they were all created on the same day
[17:56] <jcastro> I didn't even know this was possiblre
[17:56] <james_w`> except that hardware isn't in the list, and they have sessions scheduled?
[17:56] <jcastro> well
[17:57] <mhall119> jcastro: if you can get me access to the summit machine, I'd be happy
[17:57] <jcastro> james_w`: maybe select all the tracks for all the rooms
[17:57] <jcastro> wait until the next cron run
[17:57] <jcastro> and see what happens?
[17:57] <james_w`> yeah
[17:57] <jcastro> ok
[17:57] <jcastro> on it
[17:57] <james_w`> I'd really like a crontab -l from that machine
[17:57] <james_w`> jcastro, I'll start from the bottom :-)
[17:58] <jcastro> I have them open
[17:58] <jcastro> I can do it
[18:01]  * james_w` leaves things for a couple of hours in the hope that they shake out and work
[18:01] <jcastro> indeed
[18:01] <jcastro> now is a good time for lunch
[18:01] <jcastro> james_w`: high five o/
[18:14] <mhall119> Daviey: jcastro: davidm says the new guidebook app and website are live, so we can land those changes and get them out
[18:20] <nigelb> ok, home.
[18:20] <nigelb> jcastro: doing the colors, do you have anything else that needs to be fixed NOW while I'm at it?
[18:20] <nigelb> mhall119: ^^
[18:24] <jcastro> nigelb: nope
[18:24] <jcastro> just the colors
[18:25] <jcastro> that's serverandcloud -> server right?
[18:25] <mhall119> nigelb: the US economy is broken, if you have time
[18:25] <nigelb> linaro?
[18:25] <jcastro> oh right
[18:25] <jcastro> doctormo: ping
[18:25] <nigelb> mhall119: That's WILLNOTBEFIXED.
[18:25] <mhall119> sadly you're right
[18:25] <jcastro> nigelb: ok so we need 6 more shades of green
[18:25] <jcastro> not counting the android green
[18:26] <mhall119> lol
[18:26] <jcastro> let's see what doctormo says
[18:26] <jcastro> I am not convinced we can do 7 shades total and have those being distinguishable on the screen
[18:27] <jcastro> nigelb: hey you have it running locally so you can like try something and show me a screenshot right?
[18:28] <nigelb> jcastro: yeah
[18:28] <jcastro> can you try like a green border perhaps?
[18:28] <jcastro> maybe that might stand out better
[18:28] <nigelb> ah, yes.
[18:28] <nigelb> 2 mins
[18:28] <nigelb> multi-tasking dinner :p
[18:28] <jcastro> so maybe we can just keep them with the colors they have and just add a green border or something
[18:28] <nigelb> yeah, i like it
[18:29] <jcastro> nigelb: no rush, this is purely cosmetic compared to the other stuff, heh
[18:29] <mhall119> jcastro: let's introduce patterns! stripes, gradients, plaids
[18:29] <jcastro> They've gone the plaid!
[18:29] <nigelb> hah
[18:30] <mhall119> win
[18:33] <jcastro> JFo: hey
[18:33] <JFo> jcastro, howdy
[18:33] <jcastro> now that we have an amazon store
[18:33] <jcastro> http://www.amazon.com/99-Darkest-Pieces-Classical-Music/dp/B0048NUUS2/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304012023&sr=1-1-fkmr0
[18:34] <jcastro> this has carried me for the past day
[18:34] <jcastro> it's like 11 hours of music for 99 cents
[18:34] <JFo> ooh
[18:34] <JFo> very nice
[18:35] <JFo> there is some really great stuff in there
[18:35] <jcastro> I know
[18:35] <jcastro> for a dollar
[18:36] <JFo> right
[18:36] <JFo> can't beat it with a stick
[18:37] <james_w`> it looks like there is a border for linaro sessions already, it's just 1px green
[18:37] <jcastro> oh
[18:38] <jcastro> maybe we should just fatten it up a bit?
[18:38] <jcastro> james_w`: I wonder if that would be better than that current black icon looking thing
[18:38] <james_w`> perhaps we should have the logo on transparent rather than black, and make the border 2 or 3 px?
[18:39] <jcastro> yeah, for sure a transparent logo would be better
[18:42] <james_w`> I'll see what I can do
[19:02] <jcastro> JanC: I didn't know you were part of the 32 pixel launcher club
[19:02] <jcastro> I am too!
[19:04] <JanC> jcastro: I don't even tell them to do it, they all tell me they changed that
[19:04] <jcastro> right
[19:05] <jcastro> it's the immaculate launcher width
[19:06] <JanC> maybe they should also fold all "external disks" in 1 icon
[19:06] <JanC> it doesn't help that I have multiple partitions on my USB stick etc.
[19:08] <JanC> currently I have space for 1 extra 32 pixel icon, and this is a Full HD screen...
[19:09] <JanC> maybe instead of the scroll stuff, it should make icons smaller...
[19:47] <nigelb> jcastro: do you remember how to automatically cerate slots?
[19:47] <nigelb> I want to do that for screenshots for you
[19:49] <nigelb> mhall119: ^^
[19:52] <jcastro> nigelb: cerate?
[19:52] <nigelb> *create :)
[19:54] <nigelb> oh wait
[19:54] <nigelb> found it
[19:57] <Pici> Could someone with the ability to modify help.u.c add the Natty MD5SUMS to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes ?
[19:57] <Pici> Or tell me who to poke about it? ;)
[20:08] <mhall119> nigelb: ./manage.py initslots
[20:08] <mhall119> dang, I upgraded and I have no wireless anymore
[20:09] <nigelb> mhall119: I found that. I'm getting an error with autogenerated slots :\
[20:09] <mhall119> did you set dates on your summit record?
[20:09] <nigelb> yeah, I id
[20:09] <nigelb> *did
[20:09] <mhall119> hmm...
[20:10] <nigelb> those dates are in the past, but it shouldn
[20:10] <nigelb> *shouldn't matter
[20:10] <nigelb> slots are generated correctly.
[20:11] <nigelb> mhall119: http://dpaste.com/536926/
[20:13] <nigelb> mhall119: ah, got it
[20:14] <nigelb> didn't select a plenary room
[20:14] <jcastro> oh right
[20:14] <jcastro> there's a bug about that
[20:14] <jcastro> if you don't select a plenary the entire thing blows up in your face
[20:15] <nigelb> yeah, it did for me
[20:15] <nigelb> ok, green border sucks
[20:15] <jcastro> heh
[20:23] <nigelb> jcastro: suggestions welcome on keeping linaro separate
[20:24] <jcastro> I guess we can try the 7 shades of green?
[20:24] <jcastro> maybe doctormo can outclever us out of this
[20:24] <nigelb> yeah
[20:24] <nigelb> where art doctorm
[20:26] <maco> jcastro: polka dots
[20:27] <maco> green polka dots, green vertical stripes, green diagonal stripes, green horizontal stripes, green checkerboard
[20:27] <maco> need 3 more...
[20:27] <maco> oh, solid
[20:27] <maco> green gingham, and green pinstripe
[20:27] <jcastro> james_w`: I wonder if setting all the linaro tracks one green would help or hinder
[20:27] <nigelb> maco: no no, we just need one scheme for whole of linaro so people can go  "oh that's a linaro track.
[20:28] <nigelb> maco: at the same time differentiating between different tracks
[20:28] <maco> nigelb: well if none of the non-linaro tracks have green or funky patterns, we're fine!
[20:28] <maco> fine replace solid green with green bunny rabbits :P
[20:28] <maco> then they totally can't mix it up with non-linaro
[20:28] <nigelb> maco: haha
[20:28] <nigelb> maco: doctormo can totally give us bunny rabbits
[20:29] <maco> (guess how recently ive been in a fabric store near the quilting section?)
[20:29] <nigelb> are you in one right now? :)
[20:29] <maco> no
[20:29] <nigelb> (yeah, you're geeky enough ot be in one and be on IRC from there :P)
[20:29] <maco> usually if im in a craft store, i'm knitting as i walk, not irc'ing as i walk
[20:30] <nigelb> heh
[20:30] <nigelb> im guessing last night or last weekend
[20:30] <maco> tuesday
[20:30] <nigelb> off by a day :)
[20:31] <nigelb> not bad, considering I'm half way across the world :p
[20:32] <nigelb> jcastro: im off to bed, let me know when doctormo gives us green bunny pattern ;)
[20:32] <jcastro> sure
[20:33] <jcastro> high 5!
[20:33]  * nigelb ^5 jcastro :)
[20:33] <jcastro> james_w`: ugh, waiting did nothing
[20:34] <james_w`> yeah
[20:34] <james_w`> want to RT a request to get mhall119/me shell access?
[20:35] <jcastro> Daviey: I thought you were doing this already
[20:35] <jcastro> james_w`: I can rt, know the machine's name?
[20:35] <james_w`> summit.ubuntu.com? :-)
[20:35] <jcastro> hah
[20:35] <james_w`> looks like cranberry
[20:36] <james_w`> don't if there what chroots/groups/etc. are involved if any, so probably best to say that it is to work on that service, and they can figure it out
[20:36] <james_w`> looks like we're without a vanguard though currently
[20:37] <jcastro> filed
[20:37] <mhall119> I don't think there's a chroot
[20:37] <jcastro> hold for your RT#
[20:37] <jcastro> mhall119: james_w`: I'm going to end up all my good IS karma with etherpad so if you guys can be the ones to ask about this one it would help me out. :)
[20:37] <jcastro> #45561
[20:38] <james_w`> jcastro, will do
[20:39] <mhall119> jcastro: Daviey might know
[20:53] <Pici> meh.  Lots of people complaining today.
[20:54]  * pleia2 hugs Pici
[20:54] <jcastro> heh
[20:54] <pleia2> I've gotten a few "I don't hate Unity as much as I thought I would, it's growing on me"
[20:54] <jcastro> yeah
[20:55] <maco> my coworkers asked how unity is
[20:55] <jcastro> "as it turns up all the made up rumors were wrong!"
[20:55] <james_w`> jcastro, we're in
[20:55] <maco> i told them "i dont know, i'm a kde user"
[20:55] <jcastro> james_w`: OMG, really?
[20:55] <maco> and one of them was kinda "woo! kde!"
[20:55] <james_w`> yep
[20:55] <jcastro> james_w`: you're my favorite canadian now
[20:55] <james_w`> hah
[20:55] <james_w`> jcastro, hey, that reminds me, we're coming through hockeytown in September
[20:56] <jcastro> james_w`: I will be gone, moving to florida for a year
[20:56] <james_w`> ah yeah
[20:56] <james_w`> damn
[20:56] <james_w`> we'll just have to drive via Florida then
[20:57] <Pici> We're getting some positive remarks about it, but not as many as I'd hope.  Although it is a support channel, so the people coming through are always disproportionally the ones having issues.
[20:58] <james_w`> oh god
[20:58] <jcastro> james_w`: I am purposely finding a place next to the beach with a guest house if I can. :D
[20:58] <jcastro> but the area is expensive
[20:58] <james_w`> sync from LP seems to be broken due to someone having a too-long name on LP
[20:59] <jcastro> james_w`: O_O I didn't even know that was possible
[20:59] <Pici> I guess we can't blame popey for that one :/
[20:59] <jcastro> "Alan Pope and Community Council shut down Launchpad Blueprints"
[20:59] <maco> Pici: blame mary poppins for creating a supercalifragilisticexpyalidocious account?
[20:59] <james_w`> https://launchpad.net/~elkafil
[21:00] <jcastro> james_w`: I can rename it if you want, which spec?
[21:00] <maco> james_w`: hahaha
[21:00] <james_w`> nope, that person
[21:00] <maco> james_w`: is that "too long" or "parse fail"?
[21:00] <james_w`> "too long"
[21:00] <Pici> ouch
[21:00] <james_w`> because no-one in world has more than 30 characters in their name
[21:01]  * maco counts the letters in her boyfriend's brother-in-law's name
[21:01] <maco> 41
[21:03] <james_w`>     first_name = models.CharField(_('first name'), max_length=30, blank=True)
[21:03] <james_w`>     last_name = models.CharField(_('last name'), max_length=30, blank=True)
[21:03] <maco> oh so its 60 max
[21:03] <maco> 30 per name
[21:04] <maco> if you have 3 words in your realname field...how does break up first & last?
[21:06] <james_w`> heh
[21:06] <james_w`> yeah
[21:06] <james_w`> virtually every system seems to make this mistake
[21:06] <mhall119> jcastro: was it you who was saying that your laptop ran hot under Unity?
[21:06] <mhall119> or akgraner ?
[21:07] <jcastro> has to be ak
[21:07] <maco> akgraner's laptop runs hot under every new release
[21:07] <jcastro> pete shipped the laptop to someone on the kernel team to look at it
[21:07] <mhall119> mine is hot now...
[21:07] <james_w`> mhall119, are you able to review https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/summit/fix-long-names/+merge/59416 real quick?
[21:17] <mhall119> james_w`: approved
[21:17] <james_w`> mhall119, would you land please?
[21:17] <james_w`> I can deploy the code, but not land it :-)
[21:17] <james_w`> and thanks!
[21:22] <james_w`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600433/ <- people and sessions for this UDS
[21:23] <james_w`> so about 200 sessions being exposed by LP currently, which is up by ~100 from a couple of days ago
[21:23] <mhall119> james_w`: landed
[21:23] <james_w`> thanks
[21:24] <james_w`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600434/ <- trying to assign tracks to sessions
[21:25] <james_w`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600435/ <- so those are the remaining problematic ones
[21:25] <james_w`> kernel/cert/qa/plenary
[21:27] <james_w`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600436/ <- output of trying to autoschedule, so it's refusing to schedule a bunch of linaro sessions for no good reason that I know of
[21:29] <jcastro> james_w`: we don't really care what the name is, the ones we care about are colored, so if you can make it so the kernel/cert/etc, ones just get scheduled (and they remain white) that would be fine too
[21:29] <james_w`> jcastro, I looked at that briefly and it's got something to do with the room assignment thing I think
[21:30] <james_w`> I ran away, but I can look again
[21:30] <jcastro> oh ok
[21:30] <james_w`> the other alternative is to force e.g. kernel -> hardware track
[21:30] <jcastro> you know what
[21:30] <jcastro> that is a good idea
[21:30] <jcastro> let me run it by pete
[21:31] <jcastro> james_w`: hey, wait a sec
[21:32] <jcastro> james_w`: does that break stuff or just not autoschedule?
[21:32] <jcastro> I mean, if they don't autoschedule that's fine, then the track lead needs to schedule by hand
[21:32] <james_w`> I don't know that it breaks anything
[21:32] <james_w`> I don't understand this bit of the code though
[21:32] <james_w`> so give me a few to dig through it and we can decide what to do
[21:35] <james_w`> hmm
[21:35] <james_w`> trackfix seems to not actually have any effect
[21:35] <james_w`> it didn't make the changes that it said that it did
[21:35] <james_w`> do you need to save related sets explicitly separate to the model itself I wonder?
[21:37] <james_w`> yeah, I'm not sure this ever worked :-)
[21:40] <jcastro> james_w`: I know right, this is the guy who rewrote init too. :p
[21:40] <james_w`> :-)
[21:41] <james_w`> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/track/linaro-platforms/
[21:43] <jcastro> james_w`: ok kernel is refiling under other-kernel-o-whatever
[21:44] <james_w`> ok
[21:44] <james_w`> that just leaves three cert- and one qa-
[21:44] <james_w`> I think we don't have to have them do that if they don't want though
[21:44] <james_w`> it's not scheduling sessions without a track, as we have assigned all tracks to all rooms
[21:45] <james_w`> given that we don't care about track/room affinity any more I'm pretty sure we can delete a bunch of this code and just try scheduling everything in all rooms
[21:45] <james_w`> with a change to not try and schedule plenaries
[21:46] <james_w`> jcastro, check out the unscheduled sessions offered when you edit now
[21:47] <james_w`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600448/
[21:48] <jcastro> whoa
[21:48] <jcastro> I see stuff filled in!
[21:50] <jcastro> james_w`: whatever you did
[21:50] <jcastro> it's working
[21:50] <james_w`> I fixed it
[21:51] <jcastro> joey: ok, check out the schedule now
[21:51] <jcastro> joey: for example: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-09/?
[21:51] <jcastro> see that gray session at 1500, clashes with the grey summit session, so you edit and just move it to the morning or something
[21:52] <jcastro> joey: basically, the first three days shouldn't have grey boxes on the schedule other than the summit
[21:52] <james_w`> jcastro, joey: I'd still like to get that fixed properly
[21:53] <james_w`> jesse registered the BPs for the mini-summit that people could mark themselves as essential on, but used the wrong names
[21:53] <jcastro> oh ok so do you think rematching them would fix that?
[21:54] <jcastro> james_w`: hmm, I just realized, other than the color/branding, that's really the only bug left
[21:55] <james_w`> jcastro, how about I delete the ones you originally created, extend the length of his BP ones, and schedule them in the same time/place as the old ones?
[21:55] <jcastro> ok
[21:55] <jcastro> worth a shot
[21:56] <james_w`> I'll delete yours as the last step, so we can always roll back
[22:00] <james_w`> whoa!
[22:00] <james_w`> did I just somehow create a slot at 2100
[22:00] <james_w`> ?
[22:05] <mhall119> unity --replace
[22:08] <james_w`> ok, moved the MM summit over to the BP-based meetings, it seems to have gone ok
[22:08] <james_w`> we have a rogue slot on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-11/ though
[22:08] <james_w`> I have to go make dinner now though
[22:12] <mhall119> okay, that's 3 times Unity has totally died on me
[22:23] <joey> jcastro, james_w` - I see the 15:00 graphics item. Shall I manually move it?
[22:23] <jcastro> joey: no!
[22:23] <joey> good
[22:23] <jcastro> joey: james is going to try to make it automagic
[22:28] <james_w`> joey, fixed
[22:28] <james_w`> I had to do it by hand this time, but it won't happen if there are any more graphics sessions added
[22:46] <mhall119> filed my first Unity bug
[22:47] <mhall119> bug 772737
[22:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 772737 in unity "compiz idle CPU increases when Thunderbird is running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772737
[22:47] <mhall119> akgraner: did you use thunderbird?
[22:47] <Technoviking> is there ways to use thunderbird in the messaging menu
[22:48] <Technoviking> maybe I should avoid TB
[22:48] <Technoviking> heh
[22:48] <mhall119> Technoviking: yeah, thunderbird has an extension that'll put it in the messaging menu
[22:50] <Technoviking> mhall119: has lightning calendar been upgraded for the current version of TB
[22:51] <mhall119> Technoviking: I'm using it, so I guess so
[22:52] <Technoviking> mhall199: this one https://launchpad.net/messagingmenu-extension
[22:53] <Technoviking> for the messaging menu
[22:59] <mhall119> I honestly don't remember where I got it from now
[22:59] <mhall119> OMG!Ubuntu! had an article on it, and I followed their links
[23:00] <Technoviking> thanks
[23:00] <Technoviking> dang it, lightning not 64 bit
[23:00] <james_w`> jcastro, would you like me to put the autoscheduler in cron for the next week?
[23:13] <jcastro> james_w`: I say just keep it on from now on
[23:13] <jcastro> james_w`: also, what dates are you here? ends up we're going to be back here 22-25 september
[23:33] <joey> james_w`, jcastro - fyi, the linaro-kernel  linus tracks are in reverse order
[23:33] <joey> s/tracks/sessions
[23:33] <joey> on Monday
[23:34] <joey> although at the moment the agenda is fluid so....
[23:35] <james_w`> jcastro, the night of the 23rd
[23:35] <jcastro> james_w`: oh dude perfect!
[23:35] <james_w`> joey, yeah, the autoscheduler doesn't know that they are supposed to be in an order :-)
[23:36] <james_w`> jcastro, we're flying out of DFW on the Saturday morning
[23:36] <jcastro> it looks like this is doable!
[23:37] <joey> james_w`: btw I added a #9 to https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/Infrastructure/Specs/SummitEnhancements#preview
[23:37] <james_w`> joey, yay, an easy one!
[23:37] <james_w`> (probably)
[23:39] <joey> I like the  linaro sprinkles on the tracks!
[23:40] <joey> ok jcastro next problem :-)  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-12/   10:00 we have two presentations going on at the same time that the same people will likely be interested in: Life in Linaro and Upstreaming for newbies
[23:41] <jcastro> joey: the people need to mark themselves as "participation required" in the respective BPs
[23:41] <jcastro> that's how the scheduler works
[23:41] <jcastro> joey: however we just kicked it in
[23:42] <joey> Yeah, right, sorry. A bit tired and not on my came
[23:42] <jcastro> middle of next weekish I say fix it by hand, but for now let the system sort itself
[23:42] <jcastro> it's ok, I am smoked too dude.
[23:42] <james_w`> does the scheduler re-schedule things when people change that?
[23:42] <jcastro> joey: welcome to UDS planning.
[23:42] <jcastro> james_w`: that's what i was told a while back
[23:42] <jcastro> and I've never seen it not do that
[23:43] <jcastro> but like with everything in summit, I doublecheck everything by hand anyway
[23:43] <joey> s/came/game
[23:43] <joey> see!
[23:43] <joey> lol
[23:43] <jcastro> joey: we have a ton of time, normally what you see here is how we are on the thursday before UDS. So we're doing well
[23:43] <james_w`> yeah, I was just looking at the code, and couldn't see it
[23:43] <james_w`> hopefully it does, given that no-one has had a chance to subscribe to anything yet
[23:43] <joey> jcastro: yeah I need to get Matt to email out to the Linaro folk about signing up for those two to avoid the overlap
[23:43] <joey> I've pinged him
[23:44] <jcastro> joey: what's nice is when you move stuff by hand, it won't let you make more conflicts
[23:44] <jcastro> so like, it will force you to put a session in a spot where everyone can attend
[23:44] <james_w`> and I've just realised that approver doesn't mean required at the session, so I've got to go and subscribe to all the team sessions explicitly
[23:46] <jcastro> akgraner: do you have carl @ s76's contact info?
[23:47] <joey> jcastro: I still do I think
[23:47] <joey> jcastro: whatcha need? phone, email, ?
[23:47] <jcastro> joey: I would like that pls. no rush.
[23:47] <jcastro> email
[23:48] <joey> "Carl Richell"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:49] <jcastro> that was my guess, glad my instinct was on
[23:53] <joey> ok, here goes nutting - natty upgrade commencing


[03:05] <ibrumfield> anyone know of anything that shows intel cpu info on the workspace?
[06:12] <sergioad> Hi there somebody has noticed that GNOME 3.20 is taking strange screenshots? I noticed that on Ubuntu GNOME and Rebellin
[06:13] <darkxst> sergioad, no, can you show me one?
[06:13] <sergioad> http://i.imgur.com/sSOCzhv.png
[06:13] <darkxst> is that using PrScreen?
[06:14] <darkxst> and do you have 2 monitors, or just one?
[06:14] <sergioad> darkxst: yes, using of course GNOME screenshoter
[06:15] <darkxst> sergioad, but the built in gnome-shell one, or gnome-screenshot?
[06:15] <darkxst> I don't use the latter one
[06:15] <sergioad> I mean the defaut one
[06:16] <sergioad> the one wich is included on GNOME and Ubuntu GNOME
[06:16] <sergioad> any third party app
[06:16] <darkxst> sergioad, they are both included
[06:17] <darkxst> is it the one that has its own UI, asking what type of screenshot to take?
[06:18] <sergioad> nope, i did it with the PrintScr
[06:18] <sergioad> or PrtScreen
[06:18] <sergioad> hehehe pardon me I can not remember how the key is named due I am on darkness, here is night :)
[06:19] <darkxst> sergioad, file a bug with `ubuntu-bug gnome-shell`
[06:19] <sergioad> Okay
[06:19] <sergioad> did you saw the bug? is anoying
[06:20] <darkxst> it works fine here though I have 3 monitors ;)
[06:20] <darkxst> btw you can screenshot just a window with <alt>+PrSc (I think)
[06:21] <darkxst> but regardless your screenshot looks like gnome-shell things there is a second monitor
[06:31] <sergioad> yes
[06:31] <sergioad> I think so
[06:31] <sergioad> probably tris is the cause
[06:35] <sergioad> And by the way: I want to share how nice is my desktop :) http://i.imgur.com/xl7XM69.jpg
[06:35] <sergioad> it is a remix between Pantheon (in look) and GNOME shell (in terms of how it works
[06:39] <sergioad> with the addition of some cool stuff like a nice icon for ZSNES and many more apps :)
[06:43] <sergioad> what do you think darkxst?
[06:44] <darkxst> sergioad, I don't like that icon theme, but those things are personal preference, great that you found something you like!
[06:45] <sergioad> I see :)
[06:46] <sergioad> darkxst: I use it because I use Vocal, one of the most flexible podcast managers on GTK
[06:46] <sergioad> but it is designed only for eOS
[06:48] <sergioad> I downloaded the elementary GNOME, elementaryPlus and elementary XFCE and them I started to implement lins from the index theme between all of them
[06:48] <sergioad> now it is a big and unique elementary theme for GNOME
[06:48] <sergioad> with an icon EVEN for Polari
[06:50] <darkxst> sergioad, you could pull in missing icons from adwaita icon theme with some simple scripts, but yeh it might look odd with those icons!
[06:53] <sergioad> indeed, basically I want not mash ups, I want a fluid and polished icon theme with an unique design style :)
[06:54] <sergioad> http://i.imgur.com/sDPgLjg.png this is the app
[08:15] <drpantos> Hi.
[08:16] <drpantos> How do I run gnome-disks from a bash shell as if I had run it from the application menu?
[08:16] <drpantos> I need to run it with extra privileges but if I run it as sudo it thinks my user is root not my real user.
[08:17] <drpantos> So when I mount devices it mounts them under /mount/root/<dev>
[12:55] <LinDol> hi all
[18:09] <sej> hi guys
[18:10] <sej> where do i file a bug report?
[18:12] <jbicha> sej: you should probably run the ubuntu-bug tool
[18:12] <jbicha> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[18:14] <sej> well, its not that kind of a 'bug'
[18:14] <sej> https://askubuntu.com/questions/776454/how-do-i-disable-automatic-brightness-in-ubuntu-gnome-16-04-15-10
[18:14] <sej> can someone help me with that?
[18:15] <sej> btw thanks for that link :)
[18:20] <jbicha> I see that Settings>Power in GNOME 3.20 has additional options
[18:20] <jbicha> try
[18:21] <jbicha> gsettings set org.gnome.setting-daemon.plugins.power idle-dim false
[18:25] <sej> i sense that's dim while idle
[18:25] <sej> this is the auto-brightness control using sensors
[18:26] <sej> anyways, pretty sure i've tried that too
[18:26] <jbicha> how about ambient-enabled instead of idle-dim ?
[18:26] <sej> wait, i'm getting "No such schema 'org.gnome.setting-daemon.plugins.power'"
[18:26] <jbicha> my laptop doesn't have light sensors so I don't know
[18:26] <jbicha> oops
[18:26] <jbicha> settings
[18:26] <sej> ah
[18:26] <sej> haha
[18:27] <jbicha> or use dconf-editor
[18:28] <sej> ok, done both
[18:28] <sej> ya, used dconf
[18:28] <sej> let's wait and see if it worked :D
[18:30] <sej> nope
[18:30] <sej> still getting auto-brighntess changes :/
[18:34] <jbicha> are you running 16.10 yakkety?
[18:36] <jbicha> maybe it will work with GNOME 3.20
[18:36] <jbicha> but you can file a bug
[18:36] <jbicha> ubuntu-bug gnome-control-center
[18:37] <jbicha> ubuntu-bug gnome-settings-daemon
[18:37] <jbicha> (one of those two) ^
[18:42] <sej> i'm running 16 04
[18:42] <sej> 3.18.4


[05:00] <pitti> Good morning
[06:52] <jibel> Good morning
[09:54] <dkessel> Guten Morgen :)
[09:55] <elfy> dkessel: morning :)
[13:02] <elfy> balloons: when you're about I've synced that testcase for xubuntu minimal - testcase 1655
[13:04] <elfy> using netboot image


[00:03] <Ian_Corne> bjsnider: imo, empathy looks very ugly atm on 11.10
[00:03] <Ian_Corne> ooh my battery icon is back :D
[00:04] <bjsnider> empathy is at least integrated well with gnome
[00:04] <Ian_Corne> And it's not starting properly atm.. hmrf :p
[00:05] <Ian_Corne> ah a nautilus update
[00:05] <Ian_Corne> anyone got a ATI 6XXX card here?
[00:07] <Ian_Corne> hmm empathy does launch properly when I launch it from commandline...
[00:07] <Ian_Corne> and also from the menu now
[00:11] <Ian_Corne> anyone know the reason why x updates doesn't have the latest version of fglrx for natty but does for 11.10?
[00:11] <Ian_Corne> and does it work with 11.10 yet?
[00:11] <charlie-tca> yeah, we just added it to oneiric, so people will have it by default in Xubuntu
[00:12] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: ^  ^
[00:12] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I saw pidgin-twitter last cycle
[00:13] <charlie-tca> plugins have been there, but not installed with pidgin for us. Oneiric, we will install the plugin.
[00:13] <Ian_Corne> oh wait, 11.10 also has the older driver in x-updates..
[00:26] <Ian_Corne> err ctrl+tab is something too now?
[00:26] <Ian_Corne> because that used to be switching tabs in browser..
[00:32] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: AHHH
[00:33] <bjsnider> Ian_Corne, there is al ack of manpower to add things to x-updates
[00:33] <bjsnider> i am basically the only one who has time
[00:33] <bjsnider> and i don't have time either
[00:33] <bjsnider> i can only update the blobski
[00:34] <Ian_Corne> ok
[00:35] <bjsnider> it's BUGabundo's fault for sending in too many bug reports
[00:35] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[00:36] <BUGabundo> this is the cicle I've sent less
[00:36] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: I had to disable compiz unity plugin
[00:36] <BUGabundo> still haven't set compiz to how I like it cause of that
[00:36] <Ian_Corne> I'm running unity
[00:36] <Ian_Corne> so..
[01:01] <BUGabundo> Chromium using 1,878,204k
[01:01] <BUGabundo> Firefox 626,660k
[01:01] <BUGabundo> WOW
[01:03] <charlie-tca> \o/
[01:18] <Daekdroom> Ian_Corne, Crtl+tab is the new window switcher, but while it's not ready yet it's mapped to crtl+tab
[01:18] <Daekdroom> instead of alt+tab
[01:20] <BUGabundo> fail
[01:21] <BUGabundo> user super+tab
[01:21] <BUGabundo> :P
[01:34] <BUGabundo> nite folks
[01:35] <charlie-tca> Good night, BUGabundo
[01:45]  * mendred has gone fishing: Gone away for now
[03:01] <aroman> How can I hide the desktop icons on Oneiric?
[03:01] <aroman> The gconf key that used to work is nonexistant
[03:01] <aroman> and I can't find a dconf counterpart.
[03:09] <jbicha> aroman: try dconf org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons
[03:10] <jbicha> or install gnome-tweak-tool
[03:11] <aroman> jbicha: well
[03:11] <aroman> that definitely got rid of the icons
[03:11] <aroman> but it also made the entire background just ghost all of my windows
[03:11] <aroman> making it max out cpu etc
[03:11] <aroman> so it sounds like a bug
[03:11] <aroman> the dconf setting I mean
[03:13] <aroman> kind of frightening how buggy everything is considering we're 2 days away from A3
[05:09] <tayyab> what is new in ubunut 11.10
[05:09] <tayyab> ?
[08:33] <alvin> Where can I find Kubuntu 11.10 alpha-2? This http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/11.10/ is empty
[08:35] <cortex|sk> alvin "Kubuntu images will not be available for Alpha 2. " https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Alpha2#Kubuntu
[08:36] <alvin> Oh, ok. Thanks
[08:37] <alvin> And no alpha1 either. I didn't look there. It said on http://www.kubuntu.org that KDE 4.7 packages were ready for 11.10 so I assumed some image must have been there too.
[09:31] <Ian_Corne> thank daekdroom
[09:31] <Ian_Corne> who is not here
[12:40] <kroson> hi people im using ubuntu oneiric updated right now
[12:40] <kroson> there is a gnome option in gdm, but it doesnt launch
[12:40] <kroson> what is it for?
[12:42] <jbicha> kroson: it's for Gnome Shell if you have that installed
[12:43] <kroson> jbicha: will it be installed by default on ubuntu 11.10 final?
[12:43] <kroson> or we will only have unity 3d and unity 2d?
[12:43] <jbicha> no, just Unity 3D & Unity 2D are on the CD
[12:43] <kroson> jbicha: even for final version?
[12:44] <jbicha> if you happened to have Gnome Shell or gnome-panel or whatever installed before, it would be updated though if you did an upgrade
[12:44] <jbicha> kroson: yes, there is not enough room for everything on the CD, but Gnome Shell & other desktops are available for easy install
[12:44] <jbicha> in the repositories
[12:45] <kroson> jbicha: so there is no longer a way to have 2 panel gnome like in 11.04 and before?
[12:45] <jbicha> kroson: that's not true, it's just not installed by default
[12:46] <jbicha> install gnome-panel
[12:46] <jbicha> It's the Gnome Fallback session and is an updated version of the Gnome 2 interface
[12:47] <kroson> jbicha: is unity going to have customization like gnome 2 before?
[12:47] <kroson> im really trying to enjoy it
[12:47] <jbicha> could you be more specific about what customization you want?
[12:48] <jbicha> some things are customizable; others aren't, but it's definitely not the same as Gnome 2
[12:49] <kroson> and there are some things i do like in unity, but seems to lack polish :S
[12:49] <kroson> jbicha: is it better than gnome 3's shell?
[12:50] <kroson> because i haven't tried that one yet
[12:50] <kroson> will try it now lol
[12:52] <jbicha> you'll have to decide that for yourself, there are very strong opinions about which is better, whether the change is awesome or horrible
[12:53] <kroson> jbicha: what do you use by the way?
[12:53] <jbicha> they have a lot in common
[12:53] <jbicha> these days I'm using Gnome Shell mostly
[12:54] <jbicha> either desktop will take some time to learn how it works
[12:56] <kroson> jbicha: thanks :)
[12:56] <jbicha> by the way, if you install gnome-shell, you'll want to install gnome-themes-selected too
[12:57] <jbicha> it's a packaging bug that it doesn't depend on that
[12:57] <kroson> jbicha: are there any themes for unity?
[12:57] <kroson> thats the thing it seems to lack :S
[12:58] <jbicha> Unity is not completely themable
[12:58] <jbicha> also there are very few GTK3 themes which both Unity & Gnome Shell require now
[12:59] <kroson> tks :)
[13:04] <kroson> jbicha: whats that package tnome-themes-selected for? it talks about the gnome 2 desktop
[13:04] <jbicha> oops, gnome-themes-standard is what you want
[13:04] <jbicha> it contains the Adwaita theme for Gnome Shell since Ambiance/Radiance don't fully support GS
[13:05] <jbicha> gnome-themes-selected is basically obsolete
[13:05] <kroson> yea, thats what i thought
[13:05] <kroson> will test it now, brb
[13:43] <man> hello i have ubuntu 11.10 alpha 2 with gnome-shell 3.1.3 installed ,i have a problem with themeSelector extension,when i go to the "themes" tab i don't see any themes available,here is a screenshot: http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=3nerg77xvr2qrzn&thumb=6
[13:45] <man> anyone here?
[13:51] <khamer> Hey trying to get my Logitech BT (though I don't need to run it in BT mode) keyboard to work, it shows a BT Mini-Receiver in lsusb but a hcitool scan returns "Device is not available; No such device"
[13:52] <khamer> I'm actually not even convinced that the bluetooth service is running
[14:21] <erle-> will ubuntu +1 have gnome 3.2?
[15:40] <dgfger> why oneiric is so fail?
[15:40] <Pici> Because its an alpha?
[15:40] <om26er> yeah
[15:41] <dgfger> it cannot be alpha 2 months before release
[15:41] <charlie-tca> why not?
[15:42] <yofel> dgfger: erm, alpha3 release is tomorrow, so it is very much alpha
[15:42] <charlie-tca> We have not put out an alpha3 yet, and beta won't be for another month
[15:42] <Pici> !schedule
[15:43] <dgfger> even nAUTILus crashes :(
[15:43] <yofel> I think someone mentioned that, did you file a bug?
[15:43] <IdleOne> alpha software tend to be buggy
[15:43] <IdleOne> tends*
[15:44] <mobidyc> does oneiric will come with the 3.0 linux kernel ?
[15:44] <IdleOne> yes
[15:44] <mobidyc> great, I need to imprve my brtfs slices ;)
[15:46] <dgfger> because your distro is 'alpha' doesn't mean that upstream stable gnome became alpha too
[15:47] <IdleOne> true but they kinda depend on each other
[15:47] <IdleOne> if 1 is "broken" the other probably won't work properly
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Normally, if you need something stable, using the development is not recommended
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Normally, if you need something stable, using the development release is not recommended
[15:52] <dgfger> i would but unity shell in natty is unusable and apparently won't get updates
[15:55] <yofel> define unusable, and again, did you file bugs about your issues?
[15:56] <dgfger> there's hundreds open bugs about unity
[15:56] <dgfger> 778 to be precise
[15:56] <yofel> and thousands about the rest of ubuntu. Are all the issues that you have reported there? If not they're unlikely to get ever fixed
[15:59] <dgfger> but it's not important right now
[15:59] <dgfger> what's important is that I have difficulties connecting to local network which I had in previous ubuntus
[16:00] <yofel> wired or wireless?
[16:00] <dgfger> wired of course, windows network
[16:00] <yofel> ah, you mean samba, can't help there
[16:33] <om26er> what should i install to get base kde i dont want to install the whole kubuntu-desktop package
[16:34] <om26er> yofel, ^ :)
[16:36] <yofel> try with kde-workspace, plasma-widget-networkmanagement, phonon-backend-gstreamer, plasma-desktop and maybe kdeplasma-addons
[16:37] <yofel> kubuntu-default-settings would be a good idea too
[16:37] <yofel> and kde-window-manager
[16:37] <yofel> om26er: that *should* give you a working desktop I hope
[16:38] <om26er> yofel, downloading now
[16:38] <yofel> om26er: maybe dolphin too
[17:37] <dgfger> where I report bug about vt?
[19:06] <antihero> Hey guys. lately my system will seem slow so I'll open up htop and see that there are several Google Chrome processes that are maxing out my CPU. They don't appear to be related to any tabs etc, because killing them doesn't affect my active Chrome window.
[19:07] <antihero> seems to be when opened by a 3rd party app such as musicbrainz picard
[19:15] <sdimkov> so next alpha comes out tomorrow huh ?
[20:08] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[20:11] <wolter> does anybody know how to remove certain users from the login screen list?
[20:11] <wolter> I get users like proxy in the list
[20:12] <BUGabundo> you shouldn't
[20:12] <BUGabundo> have you changed any of the user lists?
[20:13] <BUGabundo> what login manager and DM are you using wolter?
[20:13] <wolter> BUGabundo, not while conscious :/ is there some file I can check?
[20:13] <wolter> BUGabundo, gdm
[20:26] <Poopity> Yes hello
[21:50] <burner> anyone out there able to help me get nvidia drivers working again?  I can use nouveau, but as soon as I change to nvidia in my xorg.conf and restart x, I get no dm
[21:51] <burner> i tried "sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-current" to no avail
[21:52] <LukeL> add nv.modeswitch=0 to your kernel line
[21:53] <burner> I have to reboot then presumably?
[21:53] <LukeL> yeah
[21:53] <burner> werd... this something new because of linux 3.0?  or something I did wrong?  just curious
[21:54] <LukeL> something i ran into awhile ago experiencing the same problem
[21:54] <LukeL> not too sure of why
[21:55] <burner> so where do I add this to my kernel line other than manually in grub when I boot?
[21:55] <LukeL> sorry it's nouveau.modeswitch=0
[21:55] <LukeL> you would add it to your /etc/default/grub.cfg
[21:55] <LukeL> then update-grub
[21:56] <burner> aww..  I was looking all over /boot
[21:56] <LukeL> also, linux 3.0 is just a numbers game, there's nothing really big changing hehe
[21:57] <burner> so i've heard, but it was just a thought that maybe some script was looking for 2.x blah blah... whatever... I'm rebooting... wish me luck... and thanks!
[21:57] <LukeL> oh and its /etc/deafult/grub
[21:57] <LukeL> no .cfg
[21:57] <LukeL> good luck
[21:57]  * burner found it!  :)
[22:02] <burner__> still no nvidia love :(  damn you nouveau and your slightly pinkish hues!
[22:02] <charlie-tca> um, it's not just nvidia
[22:02] <LukeL> hm
[22:02] <charlie-tca> ati will give that petty pink too
[22:02] <charlie-tca> s/petty/pretty
[22:02] <LukeL> sorry, that's the only idea i had to help
[22:07] <ior3k> burner__: did you uninstall nouveau when trying to use nvidia-current?
[22:09] <burner__> nope
[22:09] <ior3k> burner: I don't think they coexist peacefully
[22:09] <ior3k> try to wipe out all traces of nouveau
[22:09] <ior3k> also just move xorg.conf away
[22:09] <ior3k> (at least, I'm not using one)
[22:10] <burner> you're not using one?!?!?
[22:10] <ior3k> nope
[22:10] <burner> wtf, I thought you had to
[22:10] <burner> even if i delete it, it comes back
[22:10] <yofel> with nvidia you have
[22:10] <ior3k> well, x detects I'm using nvidia just fine
[22:11] <yofel> not here, it loads nouveau instead
[22:11] <yofel> but I ran into nouveau blocking nvidia too
[22:11] <yofel> my workaround was to _delete_ the nouveau module and update initrd
[22:11] <ior3k> $ ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:11] <ior3k> /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[22:11] <ior3k> $
[22:11] <yofel> well, I need a manual setting in xorg.conf anyway
[22:12] <burner> ok... i apt-get removed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and nouveau-firmware and I'm aptitude reinstalling nvidia-current
[22:13]  * burner remains hopeful :)
[22:13] <ior3k> burner, I'd aptitude purge rather than remove
[22:13] <ior3k> not sure if it makes a difference
[22:13] <burner> werd, i can purge
[22:13] <yofel> purge removes config files, remove doesn't
[22:13] <ior3k> yeah
[22:14] <ior3k> but I don't know if it makes a difference in this case
[22:14] <ior3k> supposedly, it shouldn't
[22:14] <ior3k> but who ever said computers were logical? ;)
[22:14] <yofel> nah the X packages have no config files, so it only makes some difference in the dpkg database
[22:14] <yofel> nothing that you notice though
[22:15] <ior3k> alright, thanks for the info
[22:17] <robin0800> gnome shell is now working and gnome-tweak-tool can change unity themes and icons happy day


[18:05]  * kleewyck is stuck! I had a Edubutu version of LTSp running but after upgrading to 12.04 of Edubutu my HP t5700 won't boot, says they need PAE. How do I remove pae from the kernel that gets loaded to the thin clients.
[22:26] <daniel> How do I edit the Unity menu for the guest account? If I make changes to it directly they are reset after login/logout. The Edubuntu menu-editing-tools seem to be designed for Gnome2.x style menus.


[00:44] <bmk789> @schedule
[06:38] <kirohtoli> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/53273/
[06:38] <kirohtoli> do everyone know how to get this working???
[15:43] <bmk789> @schedule EST
[15:43] <ubotu> Schedule for EST: 30 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu meeting | 01 Feb 15:00: MOTU | 13 Feb 17:30: Forum Council
[17:50] <kbrooks> hello
[18:07] <Kirrus> hello


[10:01] <xu-help41w> hello?
[10:02] <xu-help41w> Im having a problem with graphical drivers for intel hd 505, my screen keeps flickering when i move anything and I dont know how to fix it
[11:23] <cousteau> Hi!
[11:25] <cousteau> Anyone recommends a program to clone a CD?  (The CD contains medical images of which I am the legitimate owner, so to my understanding I am legally allowed to do this)
[11:31] <cousteau> xfburn only seems to allow burning preexisting ISOs.  I recall Brasero had a "read CD, and then burn it" feature.  I might try that
[12:16] <cousteau> ok nvm, Brasero worked like a charm.  Xfburn doesn't seem to have a read CD feature, or at least I couldn't find it.
[12:17] <cousteau> but Brasero was designed to be used by idiots, so it was a perfect fit :D
[12:29] <cousteau> so now I have two programs for burning CDs, but hey, better too much than too little :)
[18:18] <gnrp> cousteau: Also, DD should just do the trick well to get the iso file
[18:19] <cousteau> yeah, some googling just yielded "use dd"
[18:20] <cousteau> but since the examples didn't include a bs= parameter and I didn't know which one to use for optimal performance, and I don't know if that's safe enough for read errors... well, I decided to go the easy way and just have a GUI do everything for me
[18:20] <gnrp> cousteau: Generally, just setting bs to 4k works fine, but really, anything big works
[18:21] <cousteau> I'd have used 1M just in case
[18:21] <cousteau> but... I decided to leave that to the gurus that designed brasero and be done with it
[18:22] <cousteau> I'm not even sure about the intricate details of how CDs work.  I know they're not just "a bunch of zeros and ones" and there are some special CD formats that can mess up things, but from I could google it seems that medical CDs are just regular data CDs
[22:19] <pikapika> Does 20.04lts have fractional scaling?
[22:21] <pikapika> would be nice to have but not a big issue if its not available
[22:22] <pikapika> I generally just adjust font sizes, window decoration sizes etc and it does most of the job
[22:44] <Guest7948> nick jz3n
[22:46] <jz3n> ? where's docs on Ubiquity's minimal vs standard packages installed ? I'd like to modify xubuntu 2204 installer


[00:10] <jbicha> mwhudson: no, sorry. similar problem for folks
[00:10] <mwhudson> jbicha: what do you think the way forward is? we could just disable the failing test
[00:11] <doko> jbicha: please subscribe desktop to freerdp3
[00:11] <jbicha> doko: I'll have to ping seb128, I don't have that access
[00:13] <jbicha> mwhudson: sorry, I haven't had time to look into them
[00:14] <doko> pre-promoted
[00:21] <mwhudson> jbicha: the failure is that retrieving information about the argument of a method fails to detect the default argument
[00:25] <mwhudson> jbicha: i assume it's the new glib but there are so many layers of things i don't really understand in play...
[00:49] <mwhudson> jbicha: here's a patch that skips the failing bits. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jfXNcQ2MYb/ i'm not super happy about this but it's blocking other things...
[00:54] <jbicha> mwhudson: I won't stop you from uploading
[00:54] <mwhudson> jbicha: that'll do for now
[01:20] <tumbleweed> ./47
[01:45] <Eickmeyer> queuebot seems to have crashed and has been down all day my time.
[01:48] <doko> you're not the first one to see that. just see the backlog
[02:04] <Eickmeyer> Indeed.
[09:15] <seb128> doko, Eickmeyer, according to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2024-February/005924.html I think we need to wait for vorlon or bdmurray to be around to figure out the queuebot status, I suspect from that email that some others (maybe me included?) might have access to the env but the email has no detail and afaik that didn't get documented so I've no idea where one should poke to get the bot back online
[10:25] <bluesabre> Hello release team! A small request from the Xubuntu team for 24.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/2058631
[10:25] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2058631 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "FFe: Add gdebi to Xubuntu 24.04 for .deb files" [Undecided, New]
[13:03] <slyon> ubuntu-archive, we should probably drop the xpra armhf binaries: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xpra/+bug/2058373
[13:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2058373 in xpra (Ubuntu) "FTBFS on armhf (3.1.5+dfsg1-0.2)" [Undecided, New]
[13:14] <LocutusOfBorg> slyon, why not cast it?
[13:14] <LocutusOfBorg> oh wow cython
[13:15] <slyon> LocutusOfBorg: because this isn't the first issue of this type and upstream doesn't support 32 bit architectures anymore.
[14:25] <Eickmeyer> seb128: ack
[14:26] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-release: URGENT UIFe: https://launchpad.net/bugs/2058659
[14:26] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2058659 in ubuntu-mate-settings (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Ubuntu MATE bootstrap slideshow incomplete" [High, New]
[14:50] <seb128> Eickmeyer, UIF didn't start yet, you don't need an exception
[14:51] <Eickmeyer> seb128: It's kinda... preemptive.
[14:51] <seb128> which sort of contradict being urgent...
[14:51] <Eickmeyer> Fair.
[15:10] <LocutusOfBorg> I ignored pacemaker test failures on armhf... this way I unblocked something
[16:08] <blackboxsw> bdmurray: Thanks for the rejecting the prior upload cloud-init v.24.1.1 yesterday. cloud-init v.24.1.2 is appropriately queued now for whenever SRU vanguards have ample time :)
[16:26] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, libfm bootstrap please?
[16:26] <LocutusOfBorg> your copy failed
[17:39] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: Looking for an ack for ubuntucinnamon-environment for a binary:NEW of ubuntucinnamon-live-settings.
[18:05] <juliank> So all packages in https://magenta.jak-linux.org/ubuntu-archive/distcheck/noble.armhf/removal-candidates.with-proposed-missing.txt can be removed, command to run is at the end
[18:06] <bdmurray> I finally found it.
[18:06] <juliank> these new removal-candidates reports in https://magenta.jak-linux.org/ubuntu-archive/distcheck/noble.armhf/ are interesting, they show all leave packages
[18:06] <bdmurray> leave is an appropriate slip
[18:06] <juliank> then they pretend you remove all leave packages and show would be leaf packages, iteratively, until no leafe packages are left :D
[18:06] <juliank> heh
[18:07] <juliank> I'll write another email announcing the reports in more detail
[18:07] <bdmurray> From the record queuebot is at prod-community-reports-sponsoring@community-bastion-ps5
[18:07] <juliank> These run hourly
[18:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dotnet7 (mantic-proposed/universe) [7.0.117-0ubuntu1~23.10.1 => 7.0.117-0ubuntu1~23.10.2] (no packageset)
[18:12] <juliank> Maybe we do want to remove https://magenta.jak-linux.org/ubuntu-archive/distcheck/noble.armhf/removal-candidates.with-proposed.txt though
[18:12] <juliank> i.e. this contains more than "leaf & missing build in proposed"
[18:12] <juliank> but it's all leaf packages that have a newer source package in proposed
[18:12] <juliank> so their binaries would get reinstated
[18:13] <juliank> (if they have any)
[18:23] <juliank> 20 * * * * curl https://magenta.jak-linux.org/ubuntu-archive/distcheck/noble.armhf/removal-candidates.with-proposed-missing.txt | grep -o remove-package.* | sh -`
[18:23] <juliank> ^ handy cron tab to just automate removing this I suppose
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dotnet7 (jammy-proposed/universe) [7.0.117-0ubuntu1~22.04.1 => 7.0.117-0ubuntu1~22.04.2] (no packageset)
[18:23] <juliank> I guess you need to pass it through yes or sed in a -y
[18:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dotnet8 (mantic-proposed/universe) [8.0.103-8.0.3-0ubuntu1~23.10.1 => 8.0.103-8.0.3-0ubuntu1~23.10.2] (no packageset)
[18:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dotnet8 (jammy-proposed/universe) [8.0.103-8.0.3-0ubuntu1~22.04.1 => 8.0.103-8.0.3-0ubuntu1~22.04.2] (no packageset)
[18:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: click [amd64] (noble-proposed/universe) [0.5.2-2] (no packageset)
[18:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: click [arm64] (noble-proposed/universe) [0.5.2-2] (no packageset)
[18:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: click [ppc64el] (noble-proposed/universe) [0.5.2-2] (no packageset)
[18:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: click [s390x] (noble-proposed/universe) [0.5.2-2] (no packageset)
[18:53] <juliank> Also to mention this here: The reports now correctly consider any seeded package to be not a leaf package, even if it is
[18:54] <juliank> like ubuntu-minimal has no reverse depends, but it's in the minimal seed so it's not offered for removal
[18:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: click [armhf] (noble-proposed/universe) [0.5.2-2] (no packageset)
[19:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted click [amd64] (noble-proposed) [0.5.2-2]
[19:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted click [armhf] (noble-proposed) [0.5.2-2]
[19:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted click [s390x] (noble-proposed) [0.5.2-2]
[19:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted click [arm64] (noble-proposed) [0.5.2-2]
[19:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted click [ppc64el] (noble-proposed) [0.5.2-2]
[19:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ghdl [amd64] (noble-proposed/universe) [4.0.0+dfsg-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[19:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ghdl [amd64] (noble-proposed) [4.0.0+dfsg-0ubuntu1]
[19:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ghdl [arm64] (noble-proposed/universe) [4.0.0+dfsg-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[19:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ghdl [arm64] (noble-proposed) [4.0.0+dfsg-0ubuntu1]
[19:27] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks, I've added a small section about it to my distro services index document
[19:57] <bdmurray> seb128: thank you
[20:04] <tsimonq2> ubuntu-release: Hello, could we please get a followup review of this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/+bug/2056061
[20:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2056061 in calamares-settings-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "FFe: Calamares customize menu" [Undecided, New]
[20:05] <LocutusOfBorg> transition page is not getting updated?
[20:19] <vpa1977> ubuntu-archive: gtk+3.0 migration is blocked by armhf failure of cjs which fails to build on armhf due to mozjs102 dependency.
[20:19] <vpa1977> mozjs102 fails to build on all architectures in proposed due to usage of distutils. Would it be possible to remove mozjs102 from noble-proposed and remove armhf for mozjs102, cjs, cinnamon?
[20:19] <vpa1977> jbicha: please correct if I've made any mistakes here =)
[20:25] <jbicha> ItzSwirlz: ^
[20:26] <jbicha> cinnamon itself has some reverse depends that would need to be removed too
[20:27] <jbicha> to be clear, mozjs102's ftbfs needs to be fixed but maybe it's ok to fix it after the time transition
[20:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gnome-user-docs [amd64] (noble-proposed/main) [46.0-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[21:27] <mwhudson> ubuntu-archive: pls remove searchmonkey/armhf from release (or just delete the project, i think it's dead)
[21:35] <bdmurray> mwhudson: delete the project?
[21:38] <mwhudson> bdmurray: um. package
[21:40] <bdmurray> I'll remove the armhf binaries w/o a bug but removing the package should have a bug report.
[21:40] <mwhudson> ok
[21:40] <mwhudson> probably just removing the armf binaries is the right thing for now
[21:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-user-docs [amd64] (noble-proposed) [46.0-1ubuntu1]
[21:44] <juliank> I think I have a better reverse-depends now with my new script
[21:44] <juliank> In some sense, that mode hasn't been written into it ;)
[21:45] <juliank> But it respects provides and everything
[21:53] <juliank> But it's also useless perhaps
[21:54] <juliank> vpa1977: I ran my script new report on libcjs0 and it's a bit useless due to notification-daemon, x-window-manager provides: https://magenta.jak-linux.org/ubuntu-archive/distcheck/noble.armhf/reverse-depends.libcjs0.txt
[21:56] <jbicha> notification-daemon is especially tricky since it's both a regular package and virtual package
[21:56] <juliank> Filtered those out now
[21:57] <juliank> So vpa1977 hard to remove cjs, the graph is a bit high
[21:57] <vpa1977> it looks like a quest to upgrade mozjs102 then ... ;(
[21:58] <juliank> We *could* remove it and break stuff
[21:59] <juliank> # if you're in this list, your packages may not stay in sync with the source
[21:59] <juliank> OUTOFSYNC_ARCHES  =
[21:59] <juliank> # if you're in this list, your uninstallability count may increase
[21:59] <juliank> BREAK_ARCHES      =
[21:59] <juliank> Wonder if we should set one of these for armhf
[22:00] <juliank> Or `NEW_ARCHES`
[22:00] <juliank> Not sure if launchpad can handle those well
[22:02] <juliank> OUTOFSYNC_ARCHES sounds useful?
[22:03] <juliank> So if armhf is not built in the new version, the old version will be NBS but we go ahead anyhow
[22:03] <juliank> AFAIUI
[22:07] <juliank> bdmurray: So we could try setting OUTOFSYNC_ARCHES = armhf in britney.conf and that should ignore missing builds on armhf; normally it removes outdated armhf builds but our britney does no removals so this sounds like it should help
[22:10] <juliank> Debian has set mips64el to out of sync
[22:11] <juliank> Would be nice to do a dry-run
[22:12] <juliank> Not sure how one could do a dry-run
[22:29]  * mwhudson afk for a while
[22:51] <UnivrslSuprBox> juliank: britney2 should be runnable on your local host, no? You can download all the Release files and point it at your local mirror then read its excuses to figure out what it wants from you
[23:10] <UnivrslSuprBox> This might be a little (overly braindead|not exactly what you need), but you can use the stuff here to download the files that Britney needs to the `noble` directory of the current directory: https://gist.github.com/UniversalSuperBox/59518f7b522bb1fb77305ab945b61daf
[23:23] <tsimonq2> UnivrslSuprBox: Oooooh, that's useful, thanks
[23:23] <UnivrslSuprBox> tsimonq2: This is exactly how we run britney2 at `$DAYJOB` given we don't have the ftpmaster and britney2 on the same machine (or anywhere mountable)
[23:24] <UnivrslSuprBox> we have a few less ports to worry about though
[23:24] <tsimonq2> heh :)
[23:27] <sarnold> the mirror copes without the by-hash contents?
[23:34] <tsimonq2> ubuntu-release: FYI, I consider fixing bug 2058277 for Noble to be a release blocker for Lubuntu.
[23:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2058277 in snapd (Ubuntu Noble) "[SRU] 2.62" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2058277
[23:35] <tsimonq2> I don't expect it to take that much time, just making that clear. :)
[23:42] <UnivrslSuprBox> sarnold: not sure actually, the archive at `$DAYJOB` doesn't publish by-hash. I would expect britney2 to use the legacy paths though.
[23:43] <UnivrslSuprBox> There's definitely a smarter way to download all the necessary information, but I was feeling particularly unga bunga on the day I wrote this and it was 50x faster than what we were doing before for the same workload. It's actually quite slow on the Ubuntu archive...
[23:45] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: noted
[23:50] <sarnold> UnivrslSuprBox: yeah if you wanted only a partial copy, the by-hash directory is surely going to make that hard :)
[23:51] <UnivrslSuprBox> Well, Britney2 is only interested in the Packages files at the end of the day, I don't think it's all that smart at finding them.
[23:55] <sarnold> hehe
[23:56] <UnivrslSuprBox> Yep, it's not smart enough to use by-hash, not in Ubuntu or Debian's fork. It checks the Release file to ensure the architecture it wants is there, then builds its own path to the binary-<arch>/Packages file.
[23:56] <UnivrslSuprBox> _with that said_ I think my serving suggestion will fail because the Release file will be either -ports or not-ports.
[23:56] <UnivrslSuprBox> well I tried :(


[23:16] <daftykins> kosmo_: are you using a known-good test torrent like an ubuntu one?
[23:17] <LtRipley> :q
[23:17] <LtRipley> http://askubuntu.com/questions/365958/error-while-running-software-related-programs-expected-gobject-object-but-got
[23:17] <LtRipley> looks like others have the same problem
[23:18] <kosmo_> daftykins: Im using torrent which I tested the same time on another machine, private tracker if it matters.
[23:18] <daftykins> kosmo_: so try a public ubuntu one for sanity's sake
[23:20] <kosmo_> daftykins: still 0 kb/s
[23:20] <haha> good morning...
[23:21] <daftykins> kosmo_: well, i'm not familiar with that client to know if it has any errors to tell you of. are you behind a normal residential internet connection?
[23:21] <dogmantik> hello, not really ubuntu problem, but hoping someone might help me out, this happened when I was upgrading ubuntu to 13.10 now
[23:22] <kosmo_> daftykins: Im behind notebook with ssh acces to server, its in my house.
[23:22] <dogmantik> the screen frooze and I restarted my computer in the middle of upgrade, it wouldnt boot
[23:22] <dogmantik> so I figured time to reformat
[23:22] <dogmantik> but now my computer wont start with my harddrive connected
[23:22] <dogmantik> cant even get to bios when its connected
[23:23] <dogmantik> now im on ubuntu live usb, when i plug in my disk i get errors like
[23:23] <dogmantik> [  191.344575] ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4080000 action 0xe frozen
[23:23] <dogmantik> [  191.344587] ata1: irq_stat 0x00000040, connection status changed
[23:23] <dogmantik> [  191.344595] ata1: SError: { 10B8B DevExch }
[23:23] <dogmantik> [  191.344608] ata1: hard resetting link
[23:23] <dogmantik> [  201.350731] ata1: softreset failed (1st FIS failed)
[23:23] <hitsujiTMO> dogmantik: sounds like the drive fried
[23:23] <FloodBot1> dogmantik: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:23] <wad> bekks, this time it didn't do all the kernel build sort of stuff that it did the first time. I ran this command: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current > n 2>&1" resulting in this output: http://wadhome.org/~wad/n
[23:23] <dogmantik> I get that feeling to hitsujiTMO :P
[23:23] <wad> Actually, let me install openssh-server, so I can get output more easily... 1 sec
[23:24] <hitsujiTMO> dogmantik: i hope its not new
[23:24] <dogmantik> do you know if theres some way to test the hard drive?
[23:24] <daftykins> kosmo_: http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Faq#EnableDelugeLogging
[23:24] <daftykins> seems worth a go
[23:24] <kosmo_> http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Faq#EnableDelugeLogging
[23:24] <dogmantik> not really, 60gb ssd I got for free, so its not the biggest loss in that way
[23:24] <hitsujiTMO> dogmantik: smartctl, but if you're getting that just connection then i'd say the controller is gone
[23:24] <kosmo_> http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Faq#EnableDelugeLogging
[23:24] <kosmo_> http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Faq#EnableDelugeLogging
[23:24] <dogmantik> but I was hoping to install new ubuntu today :D
[23:24] <kosmo_> sorry
[23:24] <FloodBot1> kosmo_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:25] <wad> Ah, much better. Now I can do stuff faster on the command line!
[23:25] <kosmo_> its my first time with irssi sr floodbot
[23:25] <dogmantik> yeah I guess its pretty messed up since I cant even get into bios when its plugged in now hitsujiTMO
[23:25] <dogmantik> is smartctl even something worth trying?
[23:26] <dogmantik> and, is that part of some other package? didnt find smartctl with apt on the live usb
[23:26] <bekks> dogmantik: Its not messed up, it is broken - electrically.
[23:26] <dogmantik> bummer
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> dogmantik: yeah, if its doing that then it could even be an issue with the chipset/ata controller tho. but given that its a 60 gb drive then hopefully its just died of old age
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> dogmantik: smartmontools iirc
[23:28] <dogmantik> I think its a bit of my own fault as well, I was moving data from that disk to another while updating ubuntu on the disk the same time
[23:28] <dogmantik> and the screen just frooze and then this happened
[23:28] <kosmo_> daftykins: which loglvl should I choose? Well, maybe you know some good nooblinux tutorials I tried some but were not very usefull
[23:28] <daftykins> kosmo_: try 'error'
[23:29] <daftykins> kosmo_: then if that doesn't create a log with enough description of what's wrong, move up to 'info'
[23:29] <dogmantik> thanks hitsujiTMO, no use with smartctl as suspected though since the device wont even get a name under /dev
[23:30] <hitsujiTMO> dogmantik: yeah, hopefully its just the controller on the drive that's died and not something in the motherboard
[23:30] <dogmantik> well, time to look into buying a new disk then
[23:31] <dogmantik> gonna try start up some other old disk to see
[23:31] <dogmantik> if its the motherboard i might as well use my laptop and forget about gaming for some time until i saved up money for a new desktop :D
[23:32] <dogmantik> well, thanks for your help hitsujiTMO, time to do some testing
[23:35] <wad> bekks, got any suggestions for me to try, for getting my nvidia drivers installed?
[23:35] <wad> bekks, I'm in a much better position to do stuff now, can ssh into the machine. :)
[23:35] <usr13> wad: What is your video card?
[23:35] <bekks> wad: pastebin the requested information.
[23:36] <usr13> wad: What does lspci say about it?
[23:36] <wad> bekks, here is the output of that command: http://wadhome.org/~wad/n
[23:36] <kosmo_> daftykins: its like: deluge is not installed yet, :sudo  deluge - command not found; I used deluged command with result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6527265/
[23:36] <wad> usr13, let me get the name, 1 sec
[23:36] <bekks> wad: And please pastebin "sudo modprobe nvidia; dmesg" please.
[23:37] <wad> NVIDIA GeForce GT755M GDDR5 2GB
[23:38] <wad> usr13, that's the video card
[23:38] <bekks> wad: do you have an Optimus system?
[23:38] <wad> bekks, no, I don't think so. Not sure what that is.
[23:39] <bekks> wad: a hybrid graphics system, consisting of an intel and nvidia GPU.
[23:39] <wad> getting dmesg
[23:40] <wad> ah
[23:40] <wad> Here is the output of dmesg: http://wadhome.org/~wad/d
[23:41] <daftykins> kosmo_: but you did install it? you're using it via its' web admin page, right?
[23:41] <bekks> wad: the kernel module is loaded.
[23:41] <Guest14851> What would be causing "Display" to open every time my screen brightness changes? I'm using Xubuntu 13.04, 32 bit, on an HP Envy M6
[23:41] <wad> Aha!
[23:41] <usr13> wad: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia*list | pastebinit
[23:41] <wad> ok
[23:41] <kosmo_> daftykins: I can use via webadmin page, but I use deamon client
[23:42] <wad> /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-304.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-current.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-settings-304.list
[23:42] <wad> usr13, it fit on one line, so I just put it in-channel. Same number of lines as a pastebin link.
[23:42] <daftykins> kosmo_: i don't follow. you know that to run it with debug logging you have to stop it and run it again with the logging on?
[23:43] <kosmo_> daftykins: well I didn't know that. Letme try again.
[23:43] <wad> I just installed pastebinit, what a good idea!
[23:44] <Anuska> what is the best solution tu install apache+mysql+php all
[23:44] <mikodo> Hi, If I install an older stable compiz FM and compositor, like 0.8.8 in a newer Xubuntu 14.04 when it comes out or in Debian Testing Xfce, will those update to newer versions of compiz, without my requesting that? (Newer versions are not stable according to the site) http://wiki.compiz.org/Installation
[23:45] <usr13> wad: What version of Ubuntu do you have installed?
[23:45] <wad> ubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:45] <usr13> wad: Fully updated?
[23:45] <wad> Yes
[23:46] <usr13> wad: sudo apt-get remove nvidia* ; go to nvidia.com ; download correct installer ; turn off X with command sudo service lightdm stop ; run installer ; reboot
[23:46] <jintonation> What would be causing "Display" to open every time my screen brightness changes
[23:46] <wad> Okay, I'll do it!
[23:46] <kosmo_> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6527297/
[23:47] <wad> usr13, I have no X on the machine right now, only shell.
[23:48] <usr13> wad: remove nvidia drivers ; rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; restart X, or reboot
[23:48] <wad> Okay!
[23:48] <daftykins> kosmo_: yeah that suggests it's still running. sorry but i don't think you know enough about general operation for me to help further
[23:49] <kosmo_> daftykins:  :( ok no problem, but my last question is can you possibly give me some guidlines?
[23:49] <kosmo_> daftykins: I mean tutorials or smth or good website
[23:49] <daftykins> i don't know of any, sorry :(
[23:50] <kosmo_> daftykins: lol, so how you got to know Linux?
[23:51] <wad> usr13, I hope this installer can run from the command line, and not need X running....
[23:51] <daftykins> kosmo_: university
[23:51] <daftykins> and i wouldn't really say i know it as well as i'd like
[23:51] <daftykins> nowhere near
[23:52] <usr13> wad: Are you 32bit or 64bit?
[23:52] <daftykins> but anyway this is off topic for this channel unfortunately
[23:52] <wad> 64
[23:53] <usr13> wad: http://www.nvidia.com/content/DriverDownload-March2009/confirmation.php?url=/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/331.20/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.20.run&lang=us&type=GeForce
[23:53] <wad> Yup , that's the one I got.
[23:53] <wad> Running it now.
[23:53] <usr13> wad: Good.  It should work for you.  Trun off the X server and run the installer.
[23:54] <wad> Should I run it as root?
[23:54] <usr13> wad: But uninstall all other nvidia packages first and reboot.
[23:54] <wad> I just tried that, and it hated me.
[23:54] <wad> Ah, okay.
[23:54]  * wad does that
[23:54] <usr13> wad: You just tried what?
[23:54] <wad> usr13, I made it executable, and ran it as root.
[23:55] <wad> But I hadn't rebooted since removing the old nvidia stuff.... doing that now.
[23:55] <wad> I'll try running it as my user next.
[23:55] <wad> damn it boots fast.
[23:56] <sfj> Any laptop users here?
[23:56] <wad> lol, it must be run as root.
[23:56]  * wad does that.
[23:56] <usr13> wad: Correct
[23:57] <sfj> I just got my W530 and I'm looking to learn more about Linux.  Trying to decide if it would be a better bet to try to optimize Windows for low resource usage and run VirtualBox with Linux distros, or use a Linux distro as a host and VirtualBox Windows when/if I need it
[23:57] <sfj> Mostly considering battery life here
[23:58] <sfj> I didn't know if a kernel had been released that allows for similar battery life on Windows and Linux
[23:59] <daftykins> sfj: bear in mind that you have to restart a Windows host monthly for patch Tuesday