[00:00] <wgrant> lifeless: Do you want to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bugtaskflat-db/+merge/96520 before it lands?
[00:03] <bigjools> launchpad-developer-dependencies is still uninstallable for me on precise
[00:03] <StevenK> bigjools: Pastebin the error?
[00:04] <bigjools> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/906456
[00:06] <StevenK> bigjools: That's archive skew.
[00:07] <StevenK> IE, nothing to do with the LP PPA
[00:07] <bigjools> StevenK: it's been skewed for >24h then
[00:07] <StevenK> Which mirror are you using?
[00:07] <bigjools> .au
[00:08] <StevenK> Hm. Then I think .au is lagged.
[00:08] <bigjools> :(
[00:09] <wgrant> Is it still aarnet?
[00:09] <wgrant> yes
[00:09] <StevenK> Yeah. See -ops
[00:13] <lifeless> wgrant: if stub is happy, I'm happy. There is a tonne of code :P
[02:00] <bigjools> lifeless: just saw your messages on #twisted.  PPA email is a total crock right now, it really needs an opt-in subscription mechanism.
[02:01] <bigjools> (of varying email types)
[02:22] <lifeless> bigjools: yes, I'd like to make it easy to do that
[07:59] <adeuring> good morning
[08:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:38] <jtv> mrevell: are you familiar with the password-form controversy?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/944565
[08:38] <_mup_> Bug #944565: User details and password are separate forms <MAAS:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/944565 >
[08:39] <jtv> You said a few weeks back that we ought to have a discussion about it.
[08:39] <jtv> Now I'm looking to implement the UI for an admin changing a user's password, and so the same issue is relevant there as well.
[08:42] <jtv> (And on a largely irrelevant sidenote, who came up with the password confirmation field that directly follows the original password input field?  Just right for your fingers to make the same mistake twice, or to send the whole thing in and forget about it before the choice of password has reached your brain)
[09:13]  * cjwatson upgrades mawson for some more soyuz qa
[09:33] <wgrant> cjwatson: Thanks.
[09:33] <jml> jcsackett: thanks for getting that patch landed.
[09:33] <jml> anyone interested in releasing lazr.restfulclient?
[09:50] <gmb> danhg, There are now two Juju-related blog posts for you to take a look at. The split turned out to be pretty trivial, actually.
[09:51] <czajkowski> gmb: oh nice looking forward to reading
[09:51] <danhg> That's great gmb, thanks!
[09:51] <czajkowski> gmb: got pics in them as well ::) helps when I add them to the fb/G+ pages :)
[09:51] <gmb> czajkowski: Ta. And I made no mention of a certain breakfast cereal, either. No pics yet; we'll have to find some.
[09:52] <gmb> (I did make a quark-related pun, though).
[09:52] <danhg> K
[09:53] <danhg> sorry, that wasn't meant to be anything
[09:53] <czajkowski> gmb: hahah
[09:53] <danhg> Puns are always welcome!
[10:03] <wgrant> Shouldn't the old client do?[B[B
[10:04] <wgrant> Bah
[10:04] <wgrant> Lag
[11:04] <gmb> czajkowski, I think bug 969024 is a dupe. That's a problem that's been around for a long, long, long time.
[11:04] <_mup_> Bug #969024: Remote watch has two times the 'None, the status of the bug is updated manually' option <Launchpad itself:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/969024 >
[11:05] <czajkowski> gmb: any idea of the original bug :)
[11:05] <gmb> Looking for you now :)
[11:05] <gmb> I'm not that much of a git :)
[11:05] <gmb> czajkowski Well, it's certainly a dupe of bug 931573
[11:05] <_mup_> Bug #931573: there are two radio buttons each offering "None, the status of the bug is updated manually" <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/931573 >
[11:06] <gmb> But I'm sure there's an older version...
[11:07] <czajkowski> gmb: cheers
[11:07] <gmb> czajkowski: Bug 516799 is the earliest one I can find. Let's make that the canonical one.
[11:07] <_mup_> Bug #516799: BugTask +edit has duplicated option for tasks assigned to a BugWatch <confusing-ui> <lp-bugs> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/516799 >
[11:08] <czajkowski> what do you mean 'canonical one'
[11:08] <gmb> Also, I will buy a beer for anyone willing to fix it (or at least paypal them some money with which to buy a beer).
[11:08] <gmb> czajkowski: Canonical in the sense of "if we see this bug get filed again, we mark it as a dupe of Bug 516799."
[11:08] <_mup_> Bug #516799: BugTask +edit has duplicated option for tasks assigned to a BugWatch <confusing-ui> <lp-bugs> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/516799 >
[11:09] <gmb> So bugs 969024 and 931573 are dupes of 516799
[11:09] <czajkowski> grand job
[11:09] <gmb> czajkowski: Should I take care of the duping, since I'm here already?
[11:09] <czajkowski> nope
[11:09] <czajkowski> done
[11:09] <gmb>  Coolio.
[11:10] <gmb> Ugh, not saying that again.
[11:10] <czajkowski> now to tackle the other bugs this morning
[11:10] <czajkowski> am rotating between my check list
[11:10] <czajkowski> onto bugs now
[11:10] <gmb> I'm still willing to bet £5 that bug #1000000 is from mpt and reads "Launchpad still has too many bugs"
[11:11] <mpt> gmb, shush, it was supposed to be a surprise
[11:11] <gmb> :)
[11:11] <czajkowski> so gonna makr that one invalid :p
[11:11] <czajkowski> *mark
[11:11] <gmb> Haha.
[11:11] <gmb> czajkowski: Mark it "opinion".
[11:12] <gmb> Or did that get taken out yet?
[11:12] <mpt> alas no
[11:12] <czajkowski> have you reported a bug about opinion mpt :)
[11:14] <mpt> czajkowski, no, Martin Pool did, bug 772954
[11:14] <_mup_> Bug #772954: "Opinion" bug status causes user confusion <opinion-status> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/772954 >
[11:15] <czajkowski> so tempting to change the status to opinion there
[11:15] <czajkowski> :)
[11:16] <mpt> I could provide citations to get it out of that state
[11:16] <mpt> Most notably, the people who currently use opinion unwittingly disagree about what it means
[11:17] <czajkowski> it's a better status than won't fix which royally gets on nerves.
[11:18] <mpt> Some think it means "Well, that's your opinion, but we aren't going to do that" (a synonym of Won't Fix), while others are on record as saying they use it for "We'll come back to this issue in future"
[11:18] <mpt> (a synonym of New)
[11:19] <mpt> (or more precisely, a synonym of Unconfirmed, which Launchpad weirdly calls "New")
[11:21] <wgrant> mpt: Didn't you preside over that particular renaming? :)
[11:22] <wgrant> (also, I think one could safely s/Opinion/sabdfl/ :))
[11:22] <mpt> wgrant, heck no, I've always complained about using New for years-old reports and Triaged for untriaged ones
[11:23] <wgrant> I thought you were still around then.
[11:23] <mpt> I don't actually remember who changed the names
[11:23] <mpt> I think it was at the same time Triaged was introduced
[11:24] <wgrant> I believe so.
[11:24] <wgrant> And Needs Info -> Incomplete
[11:24] <mpt> yes
[11:24] <mpt> (which is now also confusing primarily because Unity misuses it)
[11:24] <wgrant> What do they use it for? :(
[11:25] <wgrant> Maybe we should enforce aggressive expiration just to prevent people from abusing it.
[11:25] <mpt> They use it for "we're waiting for a designer to decide how to fix it"
[11:25] <wgrant> Bah
[11:25] <wgrant> thumper isn't here to harass about his team abusing Launchpad :(
[11:25] <mpt> Yeah, I'd be in favor of always expiring Incomplete bugs
[11:25] <wgrant> Bad thumper.
[11:25] <mpt> If you don't want expiry, don't use Incomplete
[11:26] <mpt> Bug statuses need a purpose, not just a meaning
[11:27] <wgrant> Indeed.
[11:27] <wgrant> And Opinion has neither :)
[13:03] <deryck> Morning, all.
[13:03] <rick_h> party
[13:10] <nigelb> rick_h: TGIF, eh?
[13:10] <rick_h> nigelb: definitely
[13:32] <deryck> rick_h, ping for standup.
[13:32] <rick_h> deryck: ack, sec
[14:07] <adeuring> abentley: mumble?
[14:29] <deryck> do we not serve feeds off qastaging?
[14:48] <sinzui> I was going to fix some IE bugs today, but it looks like I do not have enough disk to run  everything :( I really do not want to buy a hard drive to run a browser I would never use
[14:49] <rick_h> sinzui: run off an ec2 windows machine and expense?
[14:49] <deryck> ewww, yeah, that would suck to do.
[14:49] <sinzui> rick_h, I need it to talk to my local dev instance...I am not putting my lovely computer on the naked net
[14:50] <sinzui> MS provides ideal VMs for their browser, I just do not have enough disk space to accommodate their bloatware
[14:50] <rick_h> sinzui: gotcha
[14:50] <deryck> sinzui, wine?  I've run IE via wine before pretty easily.
[14:51] <deryck> apt-get install wine and winetricks then run `winetricks ie9` or whatever version you want.
[14:51] <sinzui> Dude! MS provides the real thing with real OS to get the real engine parts that users have
[14:51] <deryck> sinzui, right, I understand that.  I was just thinking of how you might without being able to run the VM.
[14:52] <sinzui> deryck, 90% of Lp's IE users are IE8
[14:53] <sinzui> IE9 being an es6 engine mostly works...the moronic guard in our code are disabling IE9 with actually works
[14:54] <sinzui> I tried a thumbdrive, but I think it is too slow. the same vm that runs on my harddrive will not run on the thumbdrive
[14:54] <sinzui> IE9 being an es5 engine
[14:56] <deryck> sinzui, do you know if feeds should work off qastaging.
[14:57] <sinzui> deryck, they should, but I have never tested that they do. They have special configuration and it may not have ever been done
[14:57] <sinzui> deryck, they worked in staging so if staging is unhappy, then feeds are really broken
[14:58] <deryck> sinzui, hmm, I'm guessing that's it then.  http://feeds.qastaging.launchpad.net/~deryck/latest-bugs.atom is just completely unavailable.
[14:58] <deryck> I guess I can mark it qa-untestable since it's flag guarded in production.
[14:59] <sinzui> deryck, they are not configured to work :(
[14:59] <sinzui> deryck, Is the change to staging yet. Feed has a https server setup for them there
[14:59] <deryck> sinzui, let me see, but I doubt it....
[14:59] <abentley> adeuring: I had a thought about how we could manage routing keys with fast-lane/slow-lane.  The fast lane could be the root name.  So "job.standard" or "job.branch_write".
[15:00] <jcsackett> sinzui: re ie9, could you get the vm running on your older machine? then you would just need to have lp.dev setup for remote on your network.
[15:00] <adeuring> abentley: sounds good
[15:00] <abentley> adeuring: The slow lane's routing key would tack on ".slow".  So, "job.standard.slow" or "job.branch_write.slow".
[15:01] <sinzui> jcsackett, My old computer cannot fit Ms's smallest installation
[15:01] <abentley> adeuring: This is extensible for the number of slow lanes we have.  e.g. with 5 slow lanes, we get job.standard.slow.slow.slow.slow.slow :-)
[15:02] <adeuring> abentley: ;)
[15:03] <deryck> sinzui, ah it is caught up on staging.  awesome, thanks for the tip.
[15:03] <czajkowski> gmb: nice post!
[15:41] <sinzui> deryck, wine tricks informs me that it does not support 64bit
[15:42] <deryck> sinzui, ah, I must have wget it from wine itself.  it's just a shell script.
[15:43] <sinzui> deryck, but something is running. I guess I need to find an ichoicesource to see if it really breaks as I expect
[15:44]  * deryck has spent a lot of time with wine lately trying to get swtor running
[15:45]  * abentley likes the double meaning of "spent a lot of time with wine"
[15:46] <sinzui> deryck, I cannot log into Ubuntu SSO using the wine trick browser. I could using the bloated vm :(
[15:47] <deryck> ah bummer.
[15:47] <deryck> abentley, heh! :)
[15:48] <abentley> deryck: I'm sure when they named that project, they didn't mean it would drive you to drink.  But sometimes...
[15:48] <deryck> most times! (if you're a gamer) :)
[15:48] <deryck> ok, so I've finished qa and going to put together a deploy request now.
[15:48] <sinzui> Ah, I see. ie8 did fail to install. This is ie6
[15:49] <deryck> well, actually it is Friday. hmmm
[15:49] <deryck> sinzui,  I think if you wget the winetricks from wine itself, all will work again.
[15:49] <deryck> I forgot I had done this.
[15:50] <sinzui> I will try that now
[16:31] <sinzui> well I give up. I cannot get wine + ie8 to accept self=signed certificates
[16:34] <czajkowski> sinzui: you should talk to YokoZar he is Mr. wine
[16:35] <sinzui> I could. I want to run MS's vm which provides a real foundation to test. I just do not have enough disk space
[16:38] <YokoZar> I have been summoned.
[16:38] <czajkowski> YokoZar: meet sinzui win is not being nice
[16:38] <czajkowski> perhaps you could help, maybe
[16:38] <YokoZar> what do you mean
[16:39] <sinzui> YokoZar, I am trying to test wine + ie8 against a development instance of Launchpad which uses a self-signed ssl certificate
[16:41] <YokoZar> winetricks ie8 is a good start
[16:42] <abentley> adeuring: It appears that only celeryd creates rabbitMQ queues, so be wary of that that in your tests.  I just had to add a sleep() to ensure that celeryd finishes starting up before I try to dispatch tasks.
[16:43] <abentley> adeuring: However, you may not be affected, since the celeryd tests use the system rabbit, so the queues would be preserved for you.
[16:43] <adeuring> abentley: ah, ok. thanks for the heads up!
[16:44] <abentley> adeuring: np
[16:44] <sinzui> YokoZar, I started with that. I can see the real Lp, but the development instance uses self-signed certificates. There is no Internet tools to walk through the menus to add my certs to the trusted certs
[16:58] <YokoZar> sinzui: you mean the ie8 preferences windows and such don't work?
[17:00] <YokoZar> Yeah I'm not sure
[17:07] <deryck> sinzui, can you not open the internet settings and relax the permissions from the browser settings?
[17:11] <sinzui> deryck, I do not see how to find the internet settings. Though the browser signature is IE8, It looks like Ie6 with no menus
[17:12] <deryck> sinzui,  run: winecfg and see if the settings are in there.  if not, `wine control` will bring up the control panel and you can do it from there.
[17:12] <sinzui> deryck, in real windows, relaxing the permission does not work (As I understand it), you must register the cert
[17:12] <deryck> it sounds like ie8 didn't get installed correctly though
[17:13] <deryck> sinzui, what do you use in real windows to do this?  I don't recall doing this step before, but maybe I only tested on production.
[17:13] <sinzui> deryck, the browser has a link to internet options in the menu and the toolbar. It is absent in wine
[17:18] <sinzui> deryck, I cannot login to lp/ubuntu SSO does not work with wine+ie8
[17:21] <deryck> sinzui, I belive if you run `wine control` it should open a panel with "internet settings" showing as an option there.
[17:21] <sinzui> I see it!
[17:25] <rick_h> 016524
[17:25] <rick_h> bah
[17:32] <sinzui> deryck, I have installed Lp's certs and IE can see the lp dev instance.
[17:32] <deryck> sinzui, nice!
[17:32] <sinzui> deryck, but I think I need to remake the cert because I borked the login domain name testopenid.dev
[17:51] <lifeless> 'morning
[17:57] <sinzui> deryck, I now have a small consolation that the login failure I see on production servers is also see on dev. wine + IE8 is not sending the referrer header.
[17:58]  * sinzui has an enormous head ache.
[17:58] <deryck> ah interesting.
[17:58] <deryck> morning lifeless
[18:00] <rick_h> 043207


[00:05] <smoser> erichammond, i had pinged amazon offline regarding https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=58232
[00:05] <smoser> benh there said he'd forward it on
[00:06] <erichammond> smoser: ok.  just trying to help.
[00:06] <smoser> yeah.
[00:06] <smoser> i submitted another patch for ec2-ami-tools about 18 montsh ago i think
[00:06] <smoser> which has not seen the light of day
[00:07] <flaccid> yeah, those tools don't return non zero exit codes in a lot of places too which is a fai.
[00:07] <flaccid> *fail
[00:07] <erichammond> I'm sitting on a couple patches I should really include in software I maintain, so I'm not going to point fingers.
[00:08] <flaccid> yeah but you ack them are will actually commit them :)
[00:08] <flaccid> are=and
[00:09] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ec2-ami-tools/+bug/439788
[00:09] <smoser> we carry that patch, which is actually moderate security issue if you were concerned about 2 users using bundle-vol on the same system
[00:09] <flaccid> but getting it upstream is a different story right?
[00:10] <smoser> yeah.
[00:11] <smoser> we had to carry that one, as 2 bundle-vol commands run at the same time (even by a different user) wreak havok
[00:11] <smoser> sorry
[00:11] <smoser> s/bundle-vol/bundle-image/
[00:11] <smoser> bundle-image doesn't even require root
[00:11] <smoser> anyway
[08:56] <tronda> Can the write-mime-multipart command be run on Windows?
[08:56] <tronda> If not - is there any alternative tools to use on Windows?
[09:30] <kim0> tronda: it's python, so might run on windows .. or u can run it in an ubuntu VM
[09:31] <tronda> kim0: thanks for the feedback. I will try it. Would like it to be cross platform so that developers can run it on from their dev computer regardsless of the environment
[09:34] <kim0> ah ok
[09:56] <tronda> kim0: Trying to navigate the lp source browser, but can't seem to find the tool. Do you know where it is located?
[09:56] <kim0> lp:cloud-init
[09:56] <kim0> I think ?
[09:57] <tronda> kim0: Thought it would be here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/files/head:/tools/
[09:57] <kim0> branch that then "find . -name '*mime*'
[09:58] <kim0> no it's not there
[09:59] <kim0> tronda: try loooking here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/ubuntu-on-ec2/cloud-utils/files
[10:00] <tronda> kim0: Thanks
[18:00] <kim0> Howdy everyone o/
[18:01] <kim0> Just in case anyone here hasn't heard yet, we're hosting Ubuntu Cloud Days in exactly a week
[18:01] <kim0> Find more info at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCloudDays
[18:01] <kim0> Edulix: semiosis I'll enjoy your sessions :)
[18:02] <kim0> If anyone would like to hold a session, it's definitely still possible
[18:02] <kim0> Please get a hold of me
[18:03] <kim0> or directly edit the wiki page and ping me later
[18:37] <semiosis> kim0: thanks, i must have missed that the first time around
[18:38] <kim0> semiosis: no problemo
[18:38] <kim0> I'm writing a confirmation email now to send to everyone with a session
[18:40] <kim0> smoser Hi .. Getting a question on cloud portal "Will you release a Cluster Compute Instance for lucid lynx?"
[18:41] <smoser> no
[18:41]  * kim0 nods
[18:41] <smoser> s/no/maybe/
[18:42] <smoser> it would possibly be doable, and i dont think it would be terribly difficult.
[18:42] <smoser> but i have no plans to do so
[18:43] <kim0> smoser: can I say, "It's doable, but there are no current plans. If you want to make it happen, we'll help" ?
[18:43] <kim0> and by we I mean mostly you :D
[18:45] <kim0> nvm, saying "If you want to make it happen, get on the mailing list, ask for it, and help make it happen. I'll help you in any way I can"
[18:48] <smoser> so... yeah, we could do it if there were demand, and i would definitely understand someone's interest in lucid rather than natty
[18:49] <smoser> and it would not be significantly more to build one than just flipping a value in one of the publishing scripts
[18:49] <smoser> (i dont think)
[18:51] <smoser> but its a matter of testing and such that might make it a  bigger pain.  and i think there might be an issue with lucid kernels . have to see.
[18:51] <kim0> yeah makes sense
[18:52] <kim0> btw any idea why AWS and Rackspace use Xen and not KVM :) Is it that not-ready
[18:54] <smoser> kim0, so to get a test... http://paste.ubuntu.com/581253/
[18:55] <smoser> i'm sure there are lots of reasons
[18:55] <smoser> and i'm sure a xen fan would give you some
[18:55] <smoser> but largely i would expect that they use it because they used it in the past
[18:55] <kim0> hmm ok
[18:55] <smoser> and have large amounts of code (and customer code and customer images) that prevent them from dropping it
[19:15] <smoser> kim0, ok. i enabled the build of a lucid daily for hvm
[19:15] <kim0> hehe awesome :)
[19:16] <kim0> were you too tempted
[19:19] <smoser> dont knwo if it will fail or not. lucid server builds friday 06:00 UTC


[05:23] <Ahmuck> hrm, wonder where i'm logged on elsewhere from
[15:27] <LaserJock> ok .. I filed a MIR for gnet
[15:27] <LaserJock> hopefully that will go through without any problems
[15:32] <Nubae> gnet?
[15:32] <Nubae> whats gnet?
[15:33] <Nubae> btw, did u know chrome is available for Linux?
[15:33] <LaserJock> yes
[15:33] <Nubae> still pre-alpha but man its ast
[15:33] <LaserJock> I've been running chromium for a while
[15:33] <Nubae> fast
[15:33] <LaserJock> like a week or so
[15:33] <LaserJock> yes, it's very nice
[15:33] <LaserJock> and so far for me it's pretty stable
[15:34] <LaserJock> !info gnet
[15:34] <LaserJock> !info libgnet2.0-0
[15:34] <Nubae> yeah I had link a couple libraries on openSUSE, and now its running quite nicely
[17:00] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ooh, didn't notice you were here. hi!
[17:01] <LaserJock> highvoltage: hola
[17:02] <highvoltage> hola LaserJocko
[17:03] <bencrisford> Hello everyone :).  highvoltage ;), LaserJock ;)
[17:03] <highvoltage> LaserJock: did you add more to the strategy doc, it looks like there's some more things under development, but I'm not sure if it's my imagination
[17:03] <highvoltage> howdy bencrisford
[17:04] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I haven't done anything yet
[18:29] <highvoltage> Reminder: Edubuntu & EC meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in roughly 30 minutes
[18:30] <alkisg> thanks highvoltage
[19:02] <LaserJock> highvoltage, stgraber: around?
[19:02] <stgraber> yup
[19:02] <stgraber> let's move to #ubuntu-meeting
[19:02] <highvoltage> yep
[19:03] <LaserJock> bah, where the heck is nubae?
[20:54] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ok, meeting is on the calendar
[20:54] <highvoltage> thanks LaserJock
[20:54] <LaserJock> ok, so now what do I have to do again? :/
[20:56] <highvoltage> well, if it's any concelation... "not everything" :)
[20:56] <highvoltage> where do I access the mootbot logs?
[20:56] <highvoltage> I guess someone needs to post minutes of the meeting to the list
[20:56] <bencrisford> highvoltage: I'm doin that now...
[20:56] <bencrisford> :)
[20:56] <bencrisford> im just locating the mootbot logs
[20:57] <bencrisford> cant find the right ones
[20:57] <highvoltage> bencrisford: thanks
[21:03] <LaserJock> ok guys
[21:04] <LaserJock> I created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.10/Tasks and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/10.04/Tasks
[21:04] <LaserJock> and put the categories we decided on
[21:04] <LaserJock> so let's fill'em up
[21:05] <stgraber> ok, looks like i need to go through the MC first for coredev so will need some testimonials soon I guess ;)
[21:05] <LaserJock> I can't certainly do that
[21:05] <bencrisford> stgraber: Hehe, i'll give you a testimonial if mine is worth anything
[21:06] <bencrisford> you're always around willing to help me with all sorts :)
[21:06] <bencrisford> which is true for all of you
[21:06] <bencrisford> :)
[21:07] <nubae> I take it code development is like sbalneav fixing up sabayon... that kind of thing?
[21:08] <LaserJock> sorta
[21:08] <LaserJock> we've got things that we need to upstream
[21:08] <LaserJock> the edubuntu-menus for instance
[21:09] <LaserJock> perhaps an installer app or a user admin app
[21:09] <nubae> ok yeah, so new upstream projects worked on by edubuntu peepz
[21:10] <LaserJock> and general code work like sabayon
[21:10] <nubae> LaserJock: btw... I suggest u take a look at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/openSUSE-Sugar-live-unstable.i686-0.0.6-Build4.1.iso
[21:10] <LaserJock> the non-packaging stuff
[21:10] <nubae> and run it in a vm
[21:10] <LaserJock> nubae: k
[21:11] <nubae> so u get an idea of where sugar is on opensuse... pretty much everything works, and its been customised somewhat for opensuse
[21:11] <nubae> I'd imagine we want something similar for edubuntu, take a look and let me know
[21:12] <nubae> we took the approach of taking all the maintained working activities and enabling them by default so users have a lot to choose from and see the sense behind using Sugar in the classroom
[21:12] <LaserJock> make sense
[21:12] <nubae> so u'll see that makes about 50+ activities
[21:12] <nubae> anyway, download, have a look and let me know what u think, and how we should move forwards in edubuntu
[21:13] <highvoltage> nubae!
[21:13] <nubae> highvoltage! :-)
[21:26] <bencrisford> i have the minutes ready i think, it took me a while because we didnt keep to the agenda very well, and the action items - in some cases - were the same as the agenda item :P
[21:27] <LaserJock> bencrisford: yeah, I figured that out part way through :-)
[21:27] <LaserJock> bencrisford: got a pastebin of it?
[21:28] <bencrisford> of..?  my minutes?
[21:29] <LaserJock> bencrisford: yeah
[21:31] <bencrisford> LaserJock: i put some formatting in to make it readable, but its in html
[21:31] <bencrisford> ill make it in the wiki format and pastebin it if you want
[21:32] <LaserJock> bencrisford: also give me the html version if you don't mind, I can blog it
[21:33] <bencrisford> gmail doesnt give it to me :'(, but i can reproduce it i guess
[21:33] <bencrisford> in fact
[21:34] <bencrisford> LaserJock: Could I not just email it to you first?
[21:34] <LaserJock> sure
[21:34] <LaserJock> go for it
[21:35] <bencrisford> LaserJock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:35] <LaserJock> yep
[21:35] <bencrisford> ok :)
[21:36] <bencrisford> sent LaserJock
[21:36] <bencrisford> ill be back in 20 minutes
[21:55] <LaserJock> bencrisford: we should probably clean up the minutes a little, let me send you a version
[21:59] <bencrisford> LaserJock: Sure :)
[21:59] <bencrisford> im gonna fix some bugs :)
[22:01] <bencrisford> brb
[22:34] <bencrisford> !info pessulus
[22:36] <bencrisford> LaserJock: What do you make of bug 379617?
[22:36] <bencrisford> shall i add the dependancy as suggested?
[22:39] <LaserJock> bencrisford: looking
[22:39] <bencrisford> =)
[22:40] <LaserJock> bencrisford: you confirmed that it happens?
[22:40] <bencrisford> im pretty sure
[22:41] <bencrisford> not 100%, maybe i shouldnt of confirmed it...
[22:42] <LaserJock> well, did you remove python-gnome2-desktop and try to run pessulus
[22:45] <bencrisford> ah
[22:48] <bencrisford> LaserJock: Sure, pessulus didnt work without the package
[22:48] <bencrisford> same error
[22:48] <bencrisford> without the python package i mean
[22:49] <LaserJock> ok, sounds good to me
[22:50] <bencrisford> LaserJock: Im stuck on where to ass the dependancy
[22:50] <bencrisford> there is a couple of build-depends
[22:50] <bencrisford> and a depends
[22:51] <LaserJock> right
[22:51] <LaserJock> so it needs to be a Depends
[22:52] <LaserJock> because it's a run-time dependency and not a build-time dependency
[22:52] <bencrisford> ah ok LaserJock :)
[22:52] <bencrisford> ty
[22:53] <bencrisford> LaserJock: At the moment the depends bit has entries with what i think is the version number to the side like this:
[22:53] <bencrisford>          python-gtk2 (>= 2.6.0),
[22:53] <bencrisford> do I need to put that for python-gnome2-desktop?
[22:53] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta run
[22:53] <LaserJock> ah, probably not
[22:54] <bencrisford> ok
[22:54] <bencrisford> :)
[22:54] <LaserJock> the versioning is if you know that it won't work with particular versions
[22:54] <bencrisford> oh, ok :)
[22:54] <LaserJock> so python-gtk2 (>= 2.6.0) means you *have* to have a version equal to or greater than 2.6.0 of python-gtk2
[22:54] <bencrisford> ok, i get it
[22:54] <bencrisford> :)
[22:54] <bencrisford> thanks
[22:56] <LaserJock> I'm gonna run
[22:56] <LaserJock> but make sure to subscribe me to bugs you're working on and I'll have a look
[22:57] <bencrisford> ok, sure
[22:57] <bencrisford> by the way, do i create a debdiff or a diff for this package?
[22:57] <bencrisford> i never know :'(
[22:58] <LaserJock> debdiff
[22:58] <bencrisford> ok, thanks :D
[22:58] <LaserJock> pretty much always do a debdiff unless it's a new upstream version
[22:58] <LaserJock> like going from 2.12.3 to 2.12.4 or something
[22:59] <bencrisford> ok
[22:59] <bencrisford> so it will be blah_0ubuntu2.debdiff?
[22:59] <bencrisford> in fact, dont worry ill consult my gcompris one :)
[22:59] <bencrisford> i should stop relying on others
[23:03] <LaserJock> sure ...0ubuntu2.debdiff would be fine
[23:57] <bencrisford1> >: I swear im gonna kill this blasted computer
[23:58] <bencrisford1> stgraber: Im fixing a bug in pessulus, when i do a debdiff
[23:58] <bencrisford1> the only changes it finds
[23:58] <bencrisford1> is the changelog!
[23:58] <bencrisford1> none of the important stuff!!! >:|
[23:58] <bencrisford1> help :'(


[00:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv jhodapp ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1972 QA Signoff: Approved
[02:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
[02:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Currently building (xenial/messaging-app). Failed to build (vivid/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/history-service, yakkety/telephony-service). Pending binary packages (vivid/messaging-app). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/telephony-servi
[02:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (vivid/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/history-service, yakkety/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/messaging-app)
[08:14] <Mirv> sil2100: he was there in #ubuntu-release discussion regardless :)
[08:14] <sil2100> Oh ;)
[09:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1993 Preparing packages
[10:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2062 yakkety/lxc-android-config: Failed to commit https://code.launchpad.net/~vicamo/lxc-android-config/foreground-upstart-local-bridge. You must supply either a Commit Message on your MP, or a custom debian/changelog entry
[10:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1993 Failed to build (xenial/unity8, yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-settings-components, vivid/unity8, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, yakkety/ubuntu-settings-components)
[10:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2062 Preparing packages
[10:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2062 Pending binary packages (vivid/lxc-android-config, vivid/ubuntu-touch-session, xenial/lxc-android-config, xenial/ubuntu-touch-session). Successfully built (yakkety/lxc-android-config, yakkety/ubuntu-touch-session)
[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2062 Successfully built
[11:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv jhodapp ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1972 Publishing packages
[11:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2063 Preparing packages
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv jhodapp ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1972 Release pocket
[12:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2063 Currently building (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings)
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2063 Failed to build
[12:47] <jgdx> Mirv, hey, could you put the arm64 failure in known issues?
[12:56] <jgdx> trainguards: ^ and what happened to the kernel revert/flag thing?
[13:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
[13:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (vivid/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/history-service, yakkety/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/messaging-app)
[13:07] <Mirv> jgdx: ongoing as per last night's discussions
[13:14] <jgdx> Mirv, okay, thank you!
[13:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (vivid/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/history-service, yakkety/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/messaging-app)
[13:29] <sil2100> Mirv: as for the kernel, I guess our xenial arm64 touch devices should be safe since I don't think we have the flag enabled there
[13:29] <sil2100> So I suppose the builder fix is an awesome solution
[13:39] <Mirv> sil2100: sure frieza for example is on kernel 3.10, and wily's 4.2 was fine too
[13:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1994 Preparing packages
[13:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (vivid/telepathy-ofono, xenial/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/history-service, yakkety/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/messaging-app)
[14:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1994 Failed to build
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
[14:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2050 Failed to build (xenial/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8)
[14:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/history-service, yakkety/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/messaging-app)
[14:50] <kenvandine> Mirv, any insight into qmlplugindump SEGV on arm64 for vivid, xenail and yakkety?
[14:50] <kenvandine> cd /<<BUILDDIR>>/content-hub-0.2+16.04.20161011/build/import/Ubuntu/Content && qmlplugindump -qt=qt5 -noinstantiate -notrelocatable Ubuntu.Content 1.1 ../../ > /<<BUILDDIR>>/content-hub-0.2+16.04.20161011/build/import/Ubuntu/Content/plugins.qmltypes
[14:50] <kenvandine> Error: SEGV
[14:50] <kenvandine> Mirv, this built before i went on holiday :/
[14:58] <sil2100> kenvandine: hey!
[14:58] <kenvandine> hey sil2100
[14:59] <sil2100> kenvandine: bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1630906
[14:59] <sil2100> kenvandine: when did you rebuild it last?
[14:59] <kenvandine> sept 23
[14:59] <sil2100> The kernel team said they'll prep a xenial builder-only kernel for arm64 that would be without the offending flag
[15:00] <sil2100> I guess it might work if you rebuild now
[15:00] <kenvandine> it built fine on the 23rd
[15:00] <kenvandine> failed today
[15:01] <kenvandine> sil2100, thx for the info
[15:01] <kenvandine> i'll watch the bug
[15:01] <kenvandine> jgdx, ^^
[15:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2062 QA Signoff: Ready
[16:01] <Wellark> anyone from the QA team alive?
[16:01] <Wellark> we would need a fasttracck
[16:02] <Wellark> ubuntu-qa: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2064
[16:02] <Wellark> Laney and friends are noticing problems with the iso testing and the DL is today
[16:03] <davmor2> Wellark: we can once the packages are built
[16:03] <Wellark> davmor2: <3
[16:03] <Wellark> Laney: --^
[16:03] <Laney> cool
[16:03] <sil2100> Yeah, let's land that ASAP
[16:04] <Wellark> sil2100: we don't have yakkety overlay yet, right?
[16:04] <Wellark> yakkety packages only build against archive, right?
[16:05] <sil2100> Wellark: we do
[16:05] <Wellark> so that Laney can use his comboy powers with the binaries in the silo?
[16:05] <Wellark> oh, damn
[16:05] <sil2100> Wellark: we'll have to manually copy this over to yakkety
[16:05] <Laney> without binaries!
[16:05] <Wellark> sil2100, Laney: you too figure it out, ok? :)
[16:06] <sil2100> I guess it should still be okayish to copy the binaries
[16:07] <Laney> certainly not
[16:07] <Laney> the build got a mir from the overlay
[16:08] <sil2100> Ouch
[16:08] <seb128> just dput to the archive
[16:08] <Laney> haha
[16:08] <sil2100> Ok then, let's dput it normally, at least once the silo finalizes we won't lose the binaries
[16:08] <Laney> thanks
[16:13] <Wellark> Laney: I need to run to my family errands, but the silo has now finished building
[16:14] <Wellark> can you handle this to the end with sil2100 and davmor2 ?
[16:14] <Wellark> the  s390x build failure is expected, as the packages were purged from that archive.
[16:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1994 Preparing packages
[16:17] <Laney> Wellark: Happy enough to let the normal QA process take its course; I'll handle yakkety proper separately
[16:18] <Laney> davmor2: unfasttrack IMHO (test it once it goes into yakkety later)
[16:19] <davmor2> Laney: fine
[16:19] <Laney> ♥
[16:19] <davmor2> Laney: does that meant they'll be a respin soon then
[16:19] <Laney> there already will be
[16:20] <Laney> trying to get this in in time
[16:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Wellark Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2064 Successfully built
[16:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
[16:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100 alf, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2065 Successfully built
[17:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Wellark Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2064 Dependency wait (yakkety/indicator-network). Successfully built (vivid/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-network)
[17:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/history-service, yakkety/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/messaging-app). Uploading build (xenial/messaging-app)
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Wellark Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2064 Successfully built
[17:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Currently building (vivid/telephony-service, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/telephony-service). Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/history-service). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telepathy-ofono, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, yakkety/messaging-app)
[18:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telepathy-ofono). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/history-service). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/messaging-app, yakkety/telephony-service)
[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru sbalda, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2029 Preparing packages
[18:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1994 Pending binary packages (xenial/content-hub, yakkety/content-hub). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub)
[18:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru sbalda, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2029 Failed to build
[18:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1994 Successfully built
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2057 QA Signoff: Ready
[19:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg seb128 pitti laney charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 Dependency wait (yakkety/indicator-power, yakkety/indicator-sound, yakkety/indicator-transfer). Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/indicator-session). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/indicator-bluetooth, yakkety/indicator-display, yakkety/indicator-keyboard, yakkety/indicator-network). Pending binary packages (yakkety/libindicator). Successfully
[19:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1896 Dependency wait (yakkety/indicator-transfer). Successfully built (vivid/indicator-transfer, vivid/indicator-transfer-buteo, xenial/indicator-transfer, xenial/indicator-transfer-buteo, yakkety/indicator-transfer-buteo)
[20:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2022 Preparing packages
[20:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1896 Successfully built
[20:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg seb128 pitti laney charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 Dependency wait (yakkety/indicator-power, yakkety/indicator-sound). Destination version missing from changelog (yakkety/indicator-session, yakkety/indicator-transfer). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/indicator-bluetooth, yakkety/indicator-display, yakkety/indicator-keyboard, yakkety/indicator-network). Pending binary packages (yakkety/libindicator). Successfully
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1675 Bad merges (yakkety/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/qtmir). Successfully built (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity8, yakkety/qtmir-gles)
[20:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2022 Preparing packages
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[22:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2022 Successfully built


[05:25] <dholbach> good morning
[05:25] <tsimonq2> hey hey hey dholbach! :D
[05:25] <dholbach> hey tsimonq2
[05:25] <tsimonq2> how are you dholbach?
[05:25] <dholbach> very good, just waking up :)
[05:25] <dholbach> how about you?
[05:25] <tsimonq2> great :)
[05:26] <tsimonq2> dholbach: are you at the sprint? :D
[05:26] <dholbach> no, I'm not
[05:26] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[05:37] <dholbach> hum, the new thunderbird doesn't display any of my messages... it only does in --safe-mode
[06:11] <Kilos> hi dholbach svij belkinsa and all others
[06:12] <tsimonq2> o/ Kilos, how are you?
[06:14] <Kilos> hi tsimonq2 ok ty and you?
[06:18] <tsimonq2> great Kilos :)
[06:33] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[06:42] <svij> morning!
[06:43] <tsimonq2> o/ svij! how are you?
[06:43] <svij> tsimonq2: good good, just came back from a quick run… and you? :)
[06:51] <tsimonq2> great :)
[07:07] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:08] <Kilos> hi MooDoo
[07:08] <Kilos> i go do chores, wbb
[07:10] <tsimonq2> o/ MooDoo
[07:47] <czajkowski> dholbach: does that mean you have no email :)
[07:47] <czajkowski> that could work
[07:47] <dholbach> :-D
[07:49] <dholbach> it's 2016 people - email is so 1970s
[07:50]  * tsimonq2 kicks dholbach
[07:50] <tsimonq2> dholbach: email is so 2008
[07:51] <tsimonq2> (first time I used it :P)
[07:51] <tsimonq2> dholbach: IRC on the other hand... XD
[07:51] <dholbach> *I* didn't use email in the 70s, however old you think I am
[07:52] <svij> there are old people… and there is dholbach.
[07:52] <tsimonq2> you weren't born yet...right? :D
[07:52] <czajkowski> poor dholbach
[07:53] <czajkowski> IRC does age one :)
[07:53] <dholbach> tsimonq2, and I didn't mean to turn this into a "I'm more old-school than you" contest - it was more me trying to say "it's time the world moves on to something better then email"
[07:54] <dholbach> tsimonq2, '79
[07:56] <tsimonq2> dholbach: I was joking around :P :)
[07:56] <tsimonq2> dholbach: but I see
[07:56]  * tsimonq2 called it! \o/
[09:24] <svij> dpm: hey hey, did you get hold of Mark yet? :)
[13:51] <mhall119> jose: dpm is in Heidelberg and I've got to run kids to school, is there anything you needed us for in today's UbuConLA call?
[13:52] <jose> mhall119: nope, but can we move this to a weekly call?
[13:53] <mhall119> sure, starting next week?
[13:53] <jose> yep
[13:53] <mhall119> sounds good to me
[13:53] <jose> we're only a couple weeks away so it's mostly final stuff
[13:54] <tsimonq2> mhall119: will there be a Q&A today?
[13:54] <jose> nope
[13:54] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[13:54] <tsimonq2> then sleep for me, o/
[13:55] <jose> those days when I could sleep...
[14:08] <dholbach> all rightie... I'm heading to the airport now - see you all tomorrow again! :-)


[00:18] <Jarvis> Is it valid to advise somone to upgrade from karmic > lucid, for futher updates? The package the users bug report refers to (miro) appears to be a new major revision in lucid and above.
[00:26] <cjwatson> Jarvis: well, karmic is no longer supported ...
[00:26] <Jarvis> kk, i just wanted to make sure before i went ahead and did so :p
[00:30] <directhex> karmic->lucid is a supported move to make, and lucid still receives updates. so "yes"
[00:36] <highvoltage> hey broder
[00:39] <Jarvis> would someone mind tagging 423514 as won't fix for me please? Thanks.
[00:40] <paultag> Jarvis: just because Karmic is EOL does not mean it's WONTFIX
[00:40] <Jarvis> oh ?
[00:40] <paultag> Jarvis: you should have asked to test on the most recent version and verify it's not still present
[00:41] <Jarvis> ok
[00:41] <paultag> Jarvis: bryce marked that high, so it was a bug and an important one at one point
[00:41] <broder> highvoltage: hey, how goes?
[00:49] <Jarvis> thanks paultag
[00:49] <paultag> Jarvis: sure. Keep rock'n.
[00:57] <highvoltage> broder: hey good thanks and you? tomorrow I'll have some time for backports, not 100% sure where to start though but I guess I'll just dive in and get an idea of what seems important right now
[01:00] <broder> highvoltage: lucid-backports is probably the best place to start, just because it's the worst off at the moment
[01:02] <highvoltage> broder: yep I thought so too
[01:02] <broder> highvoltage: certainly a lot of those bugs aren't actually backports bugs
[01:03] <broder> or affect packages too core to legitimately test
[01:03] <broder> (i think someone requested an natty -> lucid openssh-client backport, for instance)
[01:03] <broder> when i've had time, i've mostly focused on trying to keep maverick and natty under control, so i haven't really done much triage on lucid
[01:07] <highvoltage> broder: at work we're planning to upgrade a lot of hardy servers (and vz guests) to lucid so I'll probably look into lucid server backports too if I find ones that are interesting
[01:08] <broder> highvoltage: sounds awesome. feel free to ping me if you find bugs that are ready to go, but don't feel like you need feedback before asking the reporter for additional work
[01:10] <highvoltage> ok great, thanks
[01:33] <highvoltage> broder: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lucid-backports/+bug/795602 requests the backport from natty. would it be better to get it from oneiric instead or should a backport come from a stable release?
[01:34] <broder> backport aptitude> ahhh. that on its own sounds terrifying, but let me take a look
[01:34] <broder> generally we're fine with backports from dev releases
[01:34] <broder> (we do have packages in natty-backports already, for instance)
[01:35] <highvoltage> (ah)
[01:36] <highvoltage> well if it looks like aptitude will be complicated for some reason then I could probably find something simpler to start with
[01:36] <broder> i dont' think it's necessarily complicated, although i do see a bunch of problematic factors in play
[01:37] <broder> so here's what i see when i look at that bug:
[01:37] <broder> (a) i bet aptitude has a fair number of rdepends
[01:37] <broder> (b) an oneiric -> maverick backport would also require a oneiric -> natty backport, with all the testing that entails. natty -> maverick would definitely be easier
[01:37] <broder> (c) "I've just run into this nasty bug in aptitude" immediately says to me "maybe this should be an SRU of some sort"
[01:38] <highvoltage> ah I haven't really considered B much
[01:39] <highvoltage> but yes it does indeed sound more like a candidate for an SRU
[01:39] <broder> looking at the debian bug, the patch to support preferences.d is pretty miniscule. i would probably ping the SRU team and see what they thought of SRU'ing that patch
[01:40] <highvoltage> so what usually happens during upgrades? does update manager remove backports or do you just stay with your backport until a newer one from the archive arrives?
[01:40] <broder> update-manager will leave backports turned on
[01:40] <broder> which is why we require the intermediate upgrades
[01:40] <broder> example:
[01:41] <broder> if maverick has 0.1, natty has 0.2, and oneiric has 0.3
[01:41] <broder> and you want to backport oneiric to maverick
[01:41] <broder> you also have to backport oneiric to natty
[01:41] <highvoltage> ok
[01:42] <broder> there should never be a valid release upgrade path (LTS or normal) that causes the version number of a package to decrease if you have backports turned on on both ends
[01:47] <highvoltage> ok, I don't quite understand why yet but I'll remember that
[01:48] <broder> i think update-manager might treat it as vanished from the archive or something like that
[01:49] <highvoltage> ah yes
[01:50] <highvoltage> is there a tracker for SRUs?
[01:51] <highvoltage> (I guess I should just google for that instead of pesting :p)
[01:54] <broder> there is an sru tracker, but i can't find it at the moment
[01:54] <broder> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru
[01:55] <broder> (linked from !sru)
[01:55] <broder> ahem
[01:55] <broder> !sru
[01:56] <highvoltage> yeah I smikked through that just before asking :)
[01:56] <highvoltage> *skimmed
[04:38] <paultag> Hey, MOTU. Anyone know if there's a feed anywhere of uploaded packages?
[04:39] <micahg> paultag: the $RELEASE-changes lists on lists.u.c?
[04:39] <micahg> an actual feed? idk...
[04:39] <ajmitch> there used to be an rss feed from that
[04:39] <paultag> micahg: I'm looking for something easily machine digestable, so I can report stuff back to my Nook
[04:39] <paultag> yeah I remember something like that ajmitch
[04:40] <ajmitch> seveas used to have that somewhere, I don't know what currently exists for it
[04:41] <paultag> hurmm.
[04:44] <micahg> paultag: the archives for lists.ubuntu.com should be machine parseable to some extent
[04:44] <ajmitch> http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/UbuntuChanges says they were going away only last month, fwiw
[04:45] <paultag> humm
[04:45] <paultag> I wonder if it's not worth it to integrate into Launchpad, since it parses all this (and has time data) anyway
[04:46] <ajmitch> launchpad already has some feeds, hidden somewhere
[04:46] <ajmitch> but I don't know if there's anything for packages accepted into the archive like -changes is
[04:46] <lifeless> not of uploads
[04:46] <lifeless> patches accepted to add one
[04:46] <lifeless> or you can use the API
[04:46] <paultag> lifeless: I don't want to klobber lp over the api
[04:46] <paultag> I try to be nice :)
[04:46] <ajmitch> polling the API is probably less efficient than adding a rss feed view
[04:47] <paultag> ajmitch: yar, and moreso if it's statically rendered
[04:47] <lifeless> efficiency is very hard to judge without looking at the implementation :)
[04:47] <lifeless> the feeds are not static
[04:47] <paultag> something like ubuntu changes should (and can) be :)
[04:47] <lifeless> paultag: we do 4M API requests a day; we can handle the odd query from you
[04:48] <lifeless> paultag: making it static is only a win if its accessed more often than it changes.
[04:48] <ajmitch> now I remember, it was bugs that had rss feeds that I could see
[04:48] <lifeless> ajmitch: yes, and projects
[04:48] <lifeless> we have a framework to add feeds; its a bit over engineered
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <tumbleweed> ~
[08:27] <dholbach> hey tumbleweed
[08:27] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[11:04] <c_korn> what could be the reason why dpkg-gensymbols does not output anything for a package which definitely has a shared library in usr/lib ?
[11:06] <Ampelbein> c_korn: libraries not in debian/tmp and wrong -P option?
[11:07] <c_korn> the library has to be in debian/tmp also?
[11:09] <c_korn> the files are here: $ ls debian/libsph1/usr/lib/*.so*
[11:09] <X3lectric> can someone help me fix this https://launchpadlibrarian.net/73961702/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.nvidia-graphics-drivers_275.09.07-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa9_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:09] <c_korn> and now dpkg-gensymbols -plibsph1 outputs nothing
[11:09] <c_korn> Ampelbein: ^
[11:10] <Ampelbein> c_korn: 'dpkg-gensymbols -plibsph1 -Pdebian/libsph1'
[11:11] <c_korn> Amaranth: oh, ok. did not know I had to give both arguments. thank you!
[11:11] <c_korn> eh, Ampelbein
[11:15] <tumbleweed> dholbach: hi. sorry, busy morning
[11:15] <dholbach> tumbleweed, no worries :)
[11:15] <X3lectric> morning tumbleweed
[11:16] <X3lectric> morning dolbach
[11:16] <X3lectric> tumbleweed I fixed the erros but now I get a really odd one
[11:16] <X3lectric> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/73961702/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.nvidia-graphics-drivers_275.09.07-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa9_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:16] <dholbach> hi X3lectric
[11:17] <tumbleweed> X3lectric: you know you can build and debug the build locally rather than try an dguess from PPA build logs
[11:18] <tumbleweed> but in this case, the reror seems pretty clear
[11:18] <X3lectric> tubleweed, prolly but like I said I dont know jack about packaging
[11:18] <X3lectric> its all a stab in the dark
[11:19] <X3lectric> yes but the rules file i dont get where its causing that
[11:21] <X3lectric> I the first extraction happens and then a second
[11:21] <X3lectric> http://pastebin.com/hpsEPwmQ
[11:21] <X3lectric> i cant see how that happens
[11:25] <X3lectric> the only way to prevent it is to commnet out the only 86_64 --extract after the driver has been made executable
[11:26] <X3lectric> since I have no clew where the first extract is ocurring
[11:31] <X3lectric> Ive emailed one driver maintainer but hes got 3 emails didnt wanna spam him
[11:48] <X3lectric> tumbleweed: commenting the only extract worked O.o
[11:48] <X3lectric> its built 1386
[11:49] <X3lectric> makes zero sense
[11:55] <X3lectric> danged ISP
[12:39] <X3lectric> its building ok for karmic and lucid just waiting for the amd64 builds
[12:40] <X3lectric> thx for your "help"
[12:40] <X3lectric> definetly thank you for taking the time
[12:41]  * X3lectric thinks tumbleweed is doing exactly what nick suggests
[12:45] <Laney> there's really no need to be rude to people
[12:59] <X3lectric> who was rude
[13:01] <X3lectric> Laney: I hope that wasnt directed at me, since i dont see where any rudeness was implied
[13:35] <cjwatson> X3lectric: making comments about people's nicks and associated inactivity is generally considered rude
[13:36] <dholbach> barry will give a session about porting to dh_python2 in #ubuntu-pyjam in 24 minutes
[13:38] <X3lectric> cjwatson: only if you dont have a sense of humour and thats the first time I ever heard such "unspoken" rules beside if it was rude im sure Tumbleweed can tell me himself.
[13:40] <X3lectric> as I said no rudenss was implied, your guys are suggesting staright away some sort of malice, that is kinda jugdmental which is actually rude...
[13:45] <X3lectric> dholbach: do you have some packaging experince as in starting from source?
[13:46] <dholbach> X3lectric, I would suggest looking at similar packages and how it's done there and also check out http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/packaging-guide/html/debian-dir-overview.html
[13:46] <dholbach> X3lectric, I need to take my dog for a walk now - best just ask questions in here - I'm sure somebody else can help you find an answer
[13:47] <X3lectric> oh what dog you have? have a nice walk...
[13:48] <X3lectric> im looking for a partner/mentor not necessarily help
[13:48] <dholbach> http://murphy.holba.ch/_IMG_2563.html - thanks - see you later :)
[13:49] <X3lectric> laters :p
[13:49] <X3lectric> oooooohhh cute...
[14:35] <tumbleweed> X3lectric: I chose my nick for a reason, sure :) I'm happy to provide some help, but not going to do all the work for you. (I'm also a full time student who has a thesis to finish, and I can't spend all day playing with linux)
[14:41] <X3lectric> I wouldnt expect anyone do do all work for me.... some people think that because i made a commnet about your nickname that was rude [12:41] * X3lectric thinks tumbleweed is doing exactly what nick suggests
[14:42] <tumbleweed> X3lectric: no problem
[14:42] <X3lectric> Honestly im shocked that peopel are so jugmental since there was no malice intended
[14:44]  * X3lectric actually thinks being jugdmental is actually very rude, more so then making some innocuous/humourous comment
[14:45] <tumbleweed> X3lectric: I have no desire to continue that part of the discussion, don't worry about it. But also, be patient.
[14:45] <X3lectric> tumbleweed: I actually managed to fix the problems with the slew of erros and kicked the ppa backside into gear
[14:46] <X3lectric> tumbleweed: ya I think im patinet after being at this for nealry a week
[14:47] <X3lectric> tumbleweed: good luck with thesis
[14:48] <tumbleweed> X3lectric: it took me months to get my first packages into ubuntu. A week isn't much. And I think everyone has to prioritise their time based on their own idea of what's important.
[14:53] <ScottK> X3lectric: If you're trying to get a package into Ubuntu, you might also consider trying to get it into Debian from where it will be automatically sync'ed into Ubuntu.  See mentors.debian.net.
[14:54] <tumbleweed> ScottK: he's maintaining some backported drivers in a PPA
[14:54] <ScottK> Oh.
[14:54] <ScottK> OK.
[14:54]  * ScottK is busy with $work and not following the details.
[14:56] <X3lectric> its not backported lol
[14:57] <X3lectric> its actually new upstream releases
[15:01] <X3lectric> ScottK: I would release into debian but I already have enough problems to be jusmping through more hoops
[15:02] <ScottK> It may actually be easier for new packages for updates to existing ones though you'd have to work with the existing maintainer.
[15:02] <X3lectric> exactly
[15:04] <X3lectric> the keyowrd being having to work with someone else most likely in another timezone and not intersted in doing what Im doing
[15:05] <X3lectric> current maintainers dont want to do it and stopped doing anything less than natty they no longer intersted
[15:05] <ScottK> Nevermind then.
[15:06] <X3lectric> im neverminding hehe
[15:06] <X3lectric> i wouldnt mid some help and mentoring
[15:07] <X3lectric> thats not likely either ;)
[15:23] <ScottK> If you have specific questions I may be able to answer them.  I can't promise any general help.
[15:23] <X3lectric> notanymore but thx
[17:32] <nigelb> jtaylor: I remember you once told me what the most common fix for the LD change fix was when using autotools.
[17:32] <nigelb> jtaylor: What was it it? I forgot and my grep of logs don't find it :(
[17:32] <jtaylor> wrong use of LDFLAGS instead of LIBS or LDADD
[17:33] <nigelb> so, switching that to LIBS or LDADD should possible fix it?
[17:33] <jtaylor> if autotools orders the commandline wrong, yes
[17:34] <nigelb> awesome, I'll try that. thanks!
[21:44] <Laney> warp10: I am uploading sparkleshare to oneiric now
[22:05] <directhex> realization: i'm not enough people to shepherd the mono 2.10 transition solo, given pressures on my time.
[22:06] <ajmitch> ok, order in some minions
[22:14] <directhex> one of the biggest bits of work needing doing is getting monodevelop working in pure 4.0-only form. i don't have time to work on the little bits
[22:20] <Laney> write an email to the lists calling for help
[22:21] <Laney> (and mention to check with us if unsure)
[22:22]  * ajmitch digs around for a local branch of monodevelop
[22:40] <directhex> Laney, ubuntu-motu@ you reckon?
[22:40] <Laney> directhex: probably too dead. that and devel
[22:41] <micahg> there'e already a nice pretty transition for mono :)
[22:43] <directhex> micahg, needs more warm bodies though. i can only do a handful of packages a day if that
[22:43]  * ajmitch heard that Laney has plenty of spare time for it
[22:43] <Laney> busy writing perl
[22:43] <ajmitch> a likely story
[22:44] <ajmitch> damn alioth
[22:44] <ajmitch> finally able to clone with git+ssh on a new sid VM, had to run ssh-agent & add the other ssh key
[22:45] <micahg> directhex: after I get the stuff I need for the libnotify transition done, I might be able to help, is a no change rebuild usually enough?
[22:45] <ajmitch> http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianMonoGroup/Mono210TransitionTODO is the debian list, there are a bunch of other possible fixes
[22:46] <directhex> micahg, mostly no-change or simplistic changes (e.g. tweaked build-deps). the trick is that *apps* need to be done first. when all apps are done, libs & plugins can be done
[22:47] <directhex> micahg, sadly the apps are more likely to need tweaking than the libs
[22:47] <directhex> anyway, back to monodevelop
[22:47] <micahg> directhex: I assume the transition hierarchy reflects that?
[22:47] <directhex> micahg, nah, ben is stupid and shows pretty much the exactly wrong order.
[22:48] <micahg> :(
[22:48] <micahg> directhex: well, apps first is the exact opposite of everything else
[22:49] <directhex> micahg, basically, a 4.0 app can load 2.0-3.5 libs. the reverse is not true.
[22:49] <micahg> hi xnox` are you still interested in xiphos
[22:50] <micahg> directhex: ah, that's a nice feature, makes sense, but wouldn't the 2.0-3.5 libs be NBS and still around for the apps?
[22:50] <jtaylor> will it does not always work, keepass2 for example does not run with 2.0 libs
[22:54] <micahg> oh, now I remember, mono has a special way of "registering" libs
[22:55] <ajmitch> mono is special in lots of ways
[23:11] <Awsoonn> hi all, I'm wondering if there is a wiki page for debugging unity that you can point me to
[23:12] <Awsoonn> I just upgraded to unity and got myself a blank desktop. :(
[23:18] <micahg> Awsoonn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/FilingBugs
[23:19] <Awsoonn> micahg: thax
[23:42] <xnox`> micahg: yes, I'm kinda interested in xiphos. xulrunner is getting killed right?
[23:50] <xnox`> micahg: I'm going to sleep. I have commented on the xiphos bug on lp. I see it's targeted for alpha2. There is similar bug report in debian. I will look into them.
[23:50] <xnox`> I'm off to sleep now. Hopefully will catch you tomorrow (~UTC time)


[02:15] <Soujiro> Interesting. I didn't know that KDE had an IRC.
[02:20] <JackFrost> Doesn't everything worth thinking about have IRC?
 @JackFrost, Its a platform limited to experienced and niche programmers tbh
[03:53] <valorie> @princeofclay i'm a grandma and have been on irc for .... 20 years
[03:53] <valorie> experienced in many things, but not programming
[08:37] <mokaroo> hi all, I currently have 20.04 installed on a spare laptop for testing purposes. It's going great! Where can I find information on anything that needs to be specifically tested?
[08:38] <mokaroo> Kubuntu 20.04 that is.
[09:06] <IrcsomeBot2> Hades Polaris was added by: Hades Polaris
[10:11] <mparillo> mokaroo: The official test cases are here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/206739/testcases but you will need to be a bit creative, as you cannot follow them mindlessly as Kubuntu has slowly evolved.
[10:12] <mparillo> But you will see they focus on installation scenarios, so your daily usage is just as important.
[10:12] <mokaroo> Thanks Marco!
[10:15] <mparillo> YW
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:13] <IrcsomeBot2> Rutvikm was added by: Rutvikm
 https://youtu.be/L3yV73fEdew
 @Rutvikm, This is some amazing work
[17:46] <mycrap> need help with graphics card please
 @mycrap, How can help?
[18:02] <mycrap> hi, I have an Intel based card but it is really laggy. I know there is a SFX something in Synaptic Package that will install a light-weight driver I think but I can not remember what it is.
[18:03] <mycrap> REGISTER 1969<EMAIL_ADDRESS> which version of Kubuntu?
[18:04] <mycrap> not sure if is kbuntu
[18:05] <BluesKaj> mycrap, don't type personal infi into the chat box use the server page
[18:05] <mycrap>  /msg NickServ REGISTER 1969<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:05] <BluesKaj> info
 kubuntu blur under desktop effects can cause quite a bit of lag.  Also, ensure your compositor is set to opengl.
[18:06] <mycrap> how to set opengl
 System settings -> Display & Monitor -> Compositor
 Rendering Backend dropdown.
 To disable blur, System settings -> Workspace Behavior -> Desktop effects
 filter for "blur" and uncheck.
[19:01] <edu44> Hola
[19:01] <edu44> Hello
[19:34] <user|11371> r425 amd video driver how to install
[19:57] <oerheks> r425?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units
[19:57] <oerheks> 4250 ?


[09:30] <RoadRunnR> hi, i believe there is a bug that is not getting the attention/importance it deserves: bug 850937. Is there anything i should do? (aside from debugging it myself)
[16:18] <bibinou> anyone has a canned response to stop a salve of "me too" ?
[16:18] <bibinou> bug 852343
[16:18] <bibinou> #852343
[21:02] <steemed> bug 859207 << someone confirm this for me
[21:02] <steemed> bug 859207
[21:02] <steemed> bug #859207
[21:02] <steemed> ...
[21:02] <steemed> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/859207
[21:02] <steemed> >.> Where is the bot?
[21:05] <jtaylor> done
[21:07] <jtaylor> weird behavior, may even be a feature
[21:33] <steemed> Please, someone fix Dr_Who's time machine
[21:33] <steemed> :p
[22:14] <valorin> Can anyone take a look at a bug for me? It's been around since Natty and makes the "snap-to-side" windows feature pretty useless... I'd love it if someone could help get it noticed by the right people so it actually gets fixed! https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/834248
[22:30] <valorin> Anyone around?
[23:21] <hggdh> eeeBotu will be offline for a bit -- servers will be playing the dance of the chairs for about 30 minutes
[23:31] <charlie-tca> Oh, goody
[23:42] <charlie-tca> didn't want you to think no one was listening
[23:52]  * yofel wonders what happened to ubot4
[23:52] <yofel> jpds: ?
[23:53] <valorin> Can anyone take a look at a bug for me? It's been around since Natty and makes the "snap-to-side" windows feature pretty useless... I'd love it if someone could help get it noticed by the right people so it actually gets fixed! https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/834248


[09:37] <lissyx> ok there's something terribly broken on 23.10 and I dont know what exactly
[09:37] <lissyx> already applied amdgpu.mcbp=0
[09:38] <lissyx> but I can't lock my laptop without the gnome session to die
[09:52] <lissyx> ok so it's crashing gnome-shell when locking the session ; only when my laptop is NOT connected to my dock with 2 external displays (and internal monitor disabled)
[09:52] <lissyx> so the default-simple case of a simple laptop with no external monitor
[10:11] <KGB-X> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome pipeline Simon McVittie 592628 * pending (extract-source: pending; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[10:11] <KGB-X> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome pipeline Simon McVittie 592628 * running (extract-source: running; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[10:20] <KGB-X> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome pipeline Simon McVittie 592628 * [8 minutes and 42 seconds] success (extract-source: success; build: success; build i386: success; build source: success; test-build-any: success; test-build-all: success; test-crossbuild-arm64: failed; reprotest: success; lintian: success; autopkgtest: success; blhc: success; piuparts: success)
[14:07] <tsimonq2> Heya :)
[14:07] <tsimonq2> Ubuntu 24.04 is Noble NANIMAL: https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/1715303697981362241
[14:08] <tsimonq2> Sorry if I'm slightly jumping the gun, but could we get 24.04 snap channels created please?
[14:08] <tsimonq2> I always forget who has the permissions to do that, here's my polite poke :)
[21:12] <KGB-X> glib Salvatore Bonaccorso 435800 * commented merge request !26 * https://deb.li/3LzUR


[12:38] <Scary_Guy> morning
[12:46] <_stink_> yo
[14:31] <cmaloney> morning
[18:13] <cmaloney> Are we having fun yet?
[18:19] <jrwren> Adam Scott is.
[18:24] <cmaloney> ?
[18:26] <jrwren> bad Party Down reference. Sorry.
[18:46] <cmaloney> heh


[16:09] <studio-user266> why no handbrake in studio
[16:10] <studio-user266> ?
[16:10] <OvenWerks> what is handbrake?
[16:11] <studio-user266> video conversion/encoding
[16:12] <OvenWerks> It is in the repo so apt install handbrake
[16:14]  * OvenWerks is not a video user so would not have missed it.
[16:15] <OvenWerks> I have added you suggestion to see if people who do video creation agree
[18:21] <kebbanalex_> Hello! Is there anyway to make alsa_in and alsa_out automated so they automaticly connect all audio devices to jack?
[18:21] <OvenWerks> yes. but nothing "done" and ready to go.
[18:22] <kebbanalex_> Ok, thanks
[18:24] <OvenWerks> see http://gareus.org/blog/jack2dbus for some ideas of detecting devices.
[18:27] <OvenWerks> see http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh for some more.
[18:28] <OvenWerks> see http://www.ovenwerks.net/paste/autojack for how I do it on my system.
[18:29] <OvenWerks> kebbanalex_: ^^^
[18:31] <kebbanalex_> Oh, ok
[19:24] <studio-user243> Hi
[20:57] <tim167> hi, I can zoom in on my screen using Alt+scroll, but is there a way to do that so that the zoom area does _not_ follow my mouse cursor?
[20:58] <OvenWerks> In this case you will probably get a faster answer in #xubuntu
[20:58] <OvenWerks> I don't know
[20:58] <tim167> OvenWerks, thanks
[20:59] <OvenWerks> np


[00:00] <silverarrow> found it
[00:00] <silverarrow> had to search for irc in package manager
[00:00] <silverarrow> pidgin crashes
[00:00] <silverarrow> some bug
[00:01]  * wxl uses irssi
[00:01] <silverarrow> ohh
[00:01] <silverarrow> never used it
[00:01] <wxl> if you prefer guis, don't use it :)
[00:01] <silverarrow> gnash browser plugin is broken for powerpc
[00:01] <silverarrow> wonder if they fix it for 12.11
[00:02] <silverarrow> or 12.10 I mean
[00:02] <wxl> have you filed a bug or searched for one and contributed to it?
[00:02] <wxl> if not, probably not
[00:04] <Casey> i need help with a small problem in a sh script
[00:05] <wxl> Casey: since this isn't a problem with lubuntu, won't don't you try, e.g. ##linux?
[00:06] <silverarrow> no I haven`t filed a bug
[00:06] <wxl> no bug = invisible
[00:06] <silverarrow> how do I go that?
[00:07] <wxl> alt-f2 to run a command
[00:07] <wxl> then type "ubuntu-bug gnash" without the quotes
[00:07] <wxl> it will walk you through it
[00:23] <silverarrow> ohh, it worked
[00:23] <silverarrow> the bug report
[00:53] <silverarrow> hi jonathanwallace
[00:58] <silverarrow> I`m wondering if there is a bug in gecko player plugin
[01:07] <kanliot> lubuntu's lxde menu has accessories, games, system tools, how do i add a new sub-menu?
[01:40] <silverarrow> i`ve tested the gnome-mplayer-gecko setup on a different comptuer, it works
[01:40] <silverarrow> it is a powerpc build issue
[01:41] <silverarrow> i wonder if the powerpc gecko-plugin is broken
[01:41] <silverarrow> it really should work with all settings and packages I have installed
[01:41] <silverarrow> it just doens`t
[01:42] <silverarrow> we need som clever firefox lubuntu developers and fixers to take a look at it
[01:43] <kanliot>  i hope they fix my bugs first get in line
[01:44] <silverarrow> lol
[01:44] <silverarrow> do you have a problem?
[01:44] <kanliot> :)
[01:44] <kanliot> no
[01:45] <silverarrow> lubuntu ppc works fine with most stuff, just not media players in browser
[01:45] <silverarrow> major issues
[01:45] <kanliot> what about vlc?
[01:45] <silverarrow> My iBook G4 is still very nice to work on,
[01:45] <silverarrow> the same
[01:45] <silverarrow> I have tried
[01:45] <kanliot> and open location in vlc
[01:46] <silverarrow> I have a fresh install now, I messed up too much with addons and packages
[01:46] <silverarrow> could not clean it up again
[01:46] <kanliot> mplayer-gnome isnt that stable anyhow
[01:46] <kanliot> it crashes firefox in my experience
[01:46] <silverarrow> are you sure?
[01:46] <kanliot> yeah it needs serious help
[01:46] <silverarrow> I run it in puppy 528, all fine there
[01:47] <silverarrow> I see, serious help must be required
[01:47] <silverarrow> it is the plugin
[01:47] <kanliot> you use gekko gnome?
[01:47] <silverarrow> browser plugin
[01:47] <kanliot> i might try that if it's stable
[01:47] <kanliot> does it wrap mplayer?
[01:47] <silverarrow> yes, both lubuntu and lucid puppy series uses it
[01:48] <silverarrow> wrap? not sure
[01:48] <kanliot> gnome-mplayer is the gnome wrapper around mplayer
[01:48] <kanliot> i donno what gekko is
[01:48] <kanliot> that's why i'm askin
[01:48] <silverarrow> gnome mplayer is the regular mediaplayer
[01:49] <silverarrow> gecko player is a plugin for firefox browser
[01:49] <silverarrow> it handles a lot of different stuff, like windows mediplayer oriented sites
[01:49] <kanliot> well it works on x86, i have to turn it off, because i prefer to download the file before i view it
[01:50] <silverarrow> it works fine with firefox flash video replacer
[01:50] <silverarrow> a bit iffy in powerpc iso though
[01:50] <silverarrow> only as standalone, not embedded
[01:51] <silverarrow> really annoying withe hte power pc mess
[01:52] <silverarrow> for straight flash sites that doesn`t allow flash vide replacer, it is either gnash or lightspark, or regular adobe
[01:52] <kanliot> so html5 doesn't work?
[01:53] <silverarrow> there are some really good lubuntu develpers and fixers, I`m sure they know how to deal with it
[01:53] <silverarrow> no,
[01:53] <kanliot> or flash downloader firefox plugin?
[01:53] <silverarrow> it plays, but stops and stars
[01:53] <silverarrow> downloader works
[01:54] <silverarrow> and I can stream in the addon Flash Video Replacer as standalone player (jumps out of browser)
[01:54] <silverarrow> nothing wrong with the player or hardware compatibilities, just browser and site issues
[01:54] <kanliot> what version of firefox u using?
[01:54] <silverarrow> it needs some attention
[01:55] <silverarrow> 11
[01:55] <kanliot> i can tell you right now we get all of our ppc stuff from debian
[01:55]  * silverarrow jumpst right over to the #debian
[01:56] <kanliot> also with 13, i'm using that. stuff is better
[01:56] <kanliot> mainly flash is better
[01:56] <kanliot> but i have to wonder if 13 would help
[01:56] <silverarrow> lubuntu is a bit restrictive with browser updates
[01:56] <silverarrow> sort of have to live with it until next release
[01:57] <kanliot> we get our stuff from ubuntu and debian
[01:57] <kanliot> if theres not a firefox 13 package for lubutnu
[01:57] <kanliot> it's because nobody's built it for debian
[01:57] <silverarrow> but doesn`t lubuntu test their powerpc iso on hardware and basic online capability ?
[01:58] <kanliot> yeah we have testers and devs that build the iso and thats it
[01:58] <kanliot> if you want something taken off the iso we could do that
[01:58] <silverarrow> no, I like everthing, if there could be some improvements
[01:59] <silverarrow> like gnash actually working
[01:59] <silverarrow> and mplayer-gecko setup
[01:59] <silverarrow> it works fine in the 32 bit version
[02:00] <silverarrow> I might try the debian guys though
[02:00] <kanliot> good luck
[02:00] <silverarrow> I hope that wasn`t a snarky remark
[02:02] <silverarrow> ;- )
[02:02] <kanliot> you need luck figuring out if it's a firefox bug
[02:02] <kanliot> or a mplayer bug
[02:02] <kanliot> or a build issue
[02:02] <kanliot> or what
[02:02] <kanliot> unless you had the mplayer devs, and the firefox devs in the same room
[02:02] <kanliot> anyhow
[02:02] <kanliot> i donno
[02:03] <silverarrow> we might have to hold a conference
[02:03] <silverarrow> a work shop
[02:03] <kanliot> and those devs would have to be experts on ppc
[02:03] <silverarrow> or what ever they call it
[02:03] <kanliot> which they aren't
[02:04] <kanliot> so you would need the ppc build guys in there 2
[02:04] <silverarrow> well, some clever ethusiasts ands amateurs then
[02:05] <silverarrow> it really should be possible
[02:05] <silverarrow> some old ppc guys
[02:05] <silverarrow> there must be some around, I doubt they have retired
[02:06] <kanliot> yeah find a debian guy who uses ppc and youtube
[02:06] <kanliot> it's possible theoretically
[02:07] <silverarrow> I know there is no money driving powerpc builds, but there should be basic solutios
[02:07] <silverarrow> my old ibook g4 is still nice
[02:07] <silverarrow> I promise
[02:08] <silverarrow> not up to date, not fancy at all but not that different
[02:32] <silverarrow> it appears the debian guyz prefer mozplug to mplayer-gecko,
[02:33] <kanliot> what channel you get info in?
[02:34] <silverarrow> debian
[02:34] <silverarrow> I haven`t even heard of mozplug
[02:35]  * silverarrow googles mozplug
[02:37]  * silverarrow is installing mozplugger right now
[02:38]  * silverarrow ...hopeing it does not intefere too much with other packages
[02:39] <silverarrow> how much fiddeling is there with basic debian compared to ubuntu?
[02:39] <kanliot> depends
[02:39] <silverarrow> i like lubuntu though
[02:40] <silverarrow> but really dislike the mediaplayer situation for ppc
[02:41] <silverarrow> there should be a fix for lubuntu too really
[02:41] <silverarrow> it is really nice os
[02:42] <silverarrow> sorry for the typos
[03:47] <silverarrow> I`m thinking of reinstalling osx on my ibook G4
[03:47] <silverarrow> at least moonlight worked there
[10:26] <hahlo> hi, seems that catalyst-gui doesn't open, despite driver itself installed, is it some missing libraries thing? libqt4gui is installed
[12:04] <Prince123> having a problem with lubuntu installation
[13:29] <Angela> Hello, could somebody help me?
[13:29] <Guest9393> Hello, could somebody please help me?
[14:14] <silverarrow> does anyone know about NPAPI
[15:03] <silverarrow> would google chrome run on lubuntu powerpc iso?
[16:42] <kristian-aalborg> o hai!
[16:43] <kristian-aalborg> is Lubuntu 100% official now?
[16:44] <Unit193> Yep.
[16:49] <BlitzHere> I just installed lubuntu
[16:50] <BlitzHere> Is there a way to refresh repository lists - for example, right after you add a new repository source, through lubuntu software center
[16:50] <BlitzHere> There is a big refresh button in synaptic, which was what I used but before I found that, I was striggling with Lubuntu Software center
[16:51] <Unit193> Reload in synaptic, and apt-get update from CLI, but I don't know LSC. :P
[16:51] <log`> hi there, i've just installed lubuntu on my laptop and i wanted to activate the proprietary nvidia driver (binary blob) for my graphics card, but when i run the "Additional Drivers" application from the menu it shows no available drivers..
[16:52] <log`> I've just had to reinstall because running NVIDIA X Server Settings broke my system
[16:52] <log`> apt-get confirms i have the nvidia-current package installed
[16:53] <log`> my laptop is a bit special in that it has both an Intel HD Graphics adapter and a GeForce 520m
[16:53] <log`> any suggestions?
[16:55] <log`> the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf is as generic as can be
[17:03] <kristian-aalborg> Unit193, congrats
[17:06] <Unit193> kristian-aalborg: Danke.
[17:06] <kristian-aalborg> selv tak
[17:07] <silverarrow> gnash streams in midori
[17:07] <silverarrow> not firefox
[17:12] <kristian-aalborg> gnash blows
[17:12] <silverarrow> sometimes it runs fine
[17:12] <silverarrow> I am having difficulties
[17:13] <silverarrow> are you in Ålborg?
[17:15] <silverarrow> hi LjL
[17:42] <silverarrow> I have managed to loose gnome-mplayer
[17:42] <silverarrow> is there a way  i can get it back
[18:41] <john_rambo> How do I increase lxterminal's font size ?
[18:43] <bioterror> and you have checked the preferences, john_rambo?
[18:44] <john_rambo> bioterror: Ther is no preferences in lxterm
[18:45] <bioterror> which one are talking about now?
[18:45] <bioterror> we
[18:47] <john_rambo> I have installed lxde over Ubuntu Minimal install bioterror
[18:47] <bioterror> and are you using command: lxterm or lxterminal
[18:48] <john_rambo> when I click on lxterm uxterm opens
[18:48] <john_rambo> bioterror: ^
[18:50] <bioterror> add certain lines to .Xdefaults
[18:50] <bioterror> probably like: uxterm*font: fixed
[18:50] <bioterror> or .Xresources
[18:51] <john_rambo> ok I will try
[18:55] <john_rambo> installed lxterminal .....increased font size ..Thanks
[18:56] <BlitzHere> Is there any way to have the computer turn num Lock on automatically at boot?
[18:57] <bioterror> BlitzHere, mostly from BIOS that is done
[18:58] <BlitzHere> bioterror, I am coming from XP. On XP, the OS remembered the state of Num Lock at shutdown and restored that on next boot
[19:01] <bioterror> hmmm
[19:01] <bioterror> !numlockx
[19:02] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock
[19:02] <bioterror> there you go
[19:02] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install numlockx
[19:41] <xerox__> hello
[19:42] <bioterror> hi
[20:25] <stf> hello does anyone of you have expieriences in installing xen under lubuntu?
[20:26] <stf> because i get the error: ERROR:  Can't find hypervisor information in sysfs!
[20:27] <stf> im so far the i have the wrong kernel running, but i even cannot add the xen one to grub2, each time i run update-grub, it seems totally ignore the xen kernel in the /boot folder
[20:30] <bioterror> !xen | stf
[20:32] <stf> this manual makes me the problems *_*
[20:32] <bioterror> :D
[20:33] <bioterror> I think #ubuntu-server could be a proper place to ask about xen
[22:01] <BlitzHere> How do I install binary Nvidia drivers? I have a GeForce FX 5200
[22:02] <Unit193> Typically you use the "Additional Drivers" tool.
[22:03] <BlitzHere> Says I don't need anything
[22:04] <zleap> if  it is installed you may need to enable it
[22:04] <Unit193> There's always the wikipage, helpful or not https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto
[22:05] <BlitzHere> zleap: Wait, you were right
[22:05] <zleap> np
[22:05] <Unit193> Heh, coolio.
[22:05] <BlitzHere> And additional drivers does show my card. It didn't the first time though
[22:06] <BlitzHere> I had to add the repository and then download the drivers...
[22:06] <BlitzHere> Thanks!!
[22:06] <zleap> np
[23:53] <Duke> hi all :)
[23:56] <silverarrow> is there any good email client?
[23:56] <silverarrow> I cannot set up sylpheed properly,
[23:58] <silverarrow> I cannot make it connect to server, which is my failing capability i think


[06:23] <elky> AlanBell, in regards to the edits you made to that page, I was going to have a separate area for the "how it works" stuff (didn't get aorund to doing it).
[06:23] <elky> What we have now is going to completely not reach out to the people I intended the first version for, which is the people who are going to look at what you've written and get confused and flail and continue to not engage
[06:24] <pleia2> elky: oh, sorry
[06:24] <pleia2> I didn't realize what your vision for the page was :\
[06:25] <elky> pleia2, it was for this purpose absolutely, but it was incomplete
[06:25] <elky> we need both kinds of instructions, absolutely
[06:26] <pleia2> we can just copy the edits to the new page, I was just trying to get things moving so we could switch to default soon
[06:26] <elky> but every time I've put out a "please help with the wiki" there've been mails like "how do wikis work?!?"
[06:26] <elky> pleia2, yes I know, appreciated
[06:27] <pleia2> so we'll have one page for people who just want to view the new theme and give feedback, and one for people actually doing the actual header/footer/etc migration?
[06:27] <elky> or both on the same page, the latter people will scroll, the former people wont
[06:28]  * pleia2 nods
[06:29] <elky> I'm absolutely positive we have talented programmers on the list who would be really useful if they could get up to speed with the collaborative tools that unis don't teach
[06:29] <elky> and to be honest, wikis intimidate me a bit because I try to think past them
[07:47] <AlanBell> oh OK
[07:50] <AlanBell> do you want me to write something to answer the "how do wikis work?!?" question?
[08:01] <elky> It'd be handy. In a non-syntax way.
[08:44] <AlanBell> not sure how to avoid talking about syntax
[08:44] <AlanBell> anyhow, I will have a think about that later
[09:47] <elky> AlanBell, er, have *two* sections? Not everyone needs to be able to do every part of it. It'd be wonderful to have some people just looking at it going "this looks wrong"
[09:47] <elky> and I'd like to have some instructions for them that won't scare them off by listing off "include this, use this special code"
[10:09] <AlanBell> yes, I was thinking of a whole other page on how wikis work
[10:10] <AlanBell> just needs to be introductory level but not patronising
[12:49] <elky> Pendulum, he's creeping out the dude ops who noted him join there after being banned from offtopic days ago.
[12:49] <Pendulum> wow
[12:50] <Tm_T> even without those bans, he's creeping
[12:51] <Tm_T> oh well, I'll continue my cleaning duties ->
[13:16] <AlanBell> the help pages in the wiki are actually rather good
[13:18] <AlanBell> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/HelpForUsers and http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/WikiCourse
[14:00] <Tm_T> Crossposting, but, this discussion is raised again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Female_editors_on_wikipedia_low
[17:29] <pleia2> AlanBell: thanks for posting the logs and updating the topic
[17:30] <pleia2> I'm going to be out of town for the next meeting (an actual vacation in puerto rico!) so we'll need to find someone else to chair
[17:39] <Pendulum> pleia2: I didn't know you were allowed proper holidays :P
[17:40] <pleia2> hehe
[17:41] <pleia2> as with everything I'm going because my boyfriend is attending a conference there sun-wednesday (free hotel in the carribean? I'm coming!!!)
[22:28] <valorie> this page: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/WikiCourse/14%20Text%20styles has "strongly" misspelled as "stronly" - twice
[22:29] <valorie> I'd fix it, but it is immutable
[22:30] <AlanBell> that would be a bug in moin
[22:30] <AlanBell> those are all standard help pages
[22:30] <valorie> hmmm
[22:31] <AlanBell> http://moinmo.in/WikiCourse/14%20Text%20styles
[22:31] <AlanBell> fixed upstream though
[22:31] <AlanBell> and of course broken on w.u.c https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiCourse/14%20Text%20styles
[22:32] <AlanBell> if they upgrade wiki.ubuntu.com it would be interesting to see if that gets fixed
[22:34] <valorie> heh, I see a "fistname" too
[22:35] <valorie> hopefully fixed in the next version
[23:02] <AlanBell> what do you think of the help pages valorie?
[23:03] <valorie> very good, nice and clear
[23:03] <valorie> I need to look at the other
[23:04] <valorie> of course I '
[23:04] <valorie> ve been using MediaWiki
[23:04] <valorie> so it's a bit different
[23:04] <valorie> but good to learn them all
[23:05] <pleia2> we were using tikiwiki at work for a while, I convinced my boss to switch to moin because switching between the two was making my brain hurt
[23:05] <valorie> I think the Amarok wiki is still a third one
[23:05] <valorie> and yes, it does make my brain work
[23:06] <valorie> and hurt