[01:49] <xzachtmx> is it possible to package a python module?
[01:51] <lifeless> yes
[06:53] <wrapster> geser: hi
[06:53] <wrapster> geser: you there.. I was able to successfully build the 64bit version of nspr..
[06:54] <ScottK> geser lives in Germany, so he's probably asleep
[06:55] <wrapster> ScottK: ok ...
[06:56] <wrapster> ScottK: i have built the 64bit version of nspr...
[06:56] <wrapster> but having some trivial issues in placing the libs...
[06:56] <wrapster> could you help me resolve it pls
[07:00] <ScottK> Sorry.  It's 2AM here and I'm headed for bed myself.
[07:01] <wrapster> ScottK: ok ...
[07:01] <wrapster> anyone following our conversation can help me pls?
[07:48] <siretart`> rhpot1991: did you manage to test my lame package?
[08:02] <slytherin> ttx: ping
[08:02] <ttx> slytherin: pong
[08:02] <slytherin> ttx: Can you please sponsor the debdiff attached to bug 457660
[08:04] <ttx> slytherin: can't do -- finalfreeze is on
[08:04] <ttx> slytherin: I don't want to get axed by RMs
[08:06] <slytherin> ttx: But it is bug fix.
[08:06] <ttx> slytherin: yes, but not a release-critical one, unfortunately
[08:07] <ttx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze
[08:08] <slytherin> ttx: Ok. I will add workaround in jmeter.
[08:08] <ttx> slytherin: if that's possible, that's the best way of doing it
[08:08] <ttx> slytherin: we can fix xstream in lucid, if that's still necessary
[08:09] <slytherin> ttx: By then I will get this fixed in Debian so that we can simply sync.
[08:09] <ttx> slytherin: sure. I should push to debian SVNs most of the fixes I did in libraries over the last months
[08:10] <ttx> hopefully I'll have some free time next week to do so, if nothing catches fire
[08:10] <ttx> slytherin: that should make merge/sync much easier.
[08:11] <slytherin> yes, that would be nice
[08:11] <ttx> slytherin: I've been planning to do it for months
[08:11] <ttx> but reality prevented me from doing so
[08:45] <slytherin> Anyone from motu-release team?
[09:10] <geser> good morning
[09:11] <geser> wrapster: what problem do you have?
[09:21] <wrapster> geser: resolved it...
[09:25] <wrapster> geser: the issue was by default all the *.so files that were (according to the 64 bit pkg) suppose to be in debian/<pkg>/usr/lib/amd64 were in <same>/usr/lib/ and I tried looking and this damn thing was not the staging dir.. there was debian/tmp that was used for staging and then it was copied over to respective pkg dirs under debian/ ; so i tried look at the configure/ makefiles and see if i go set it.. too many intricacies so i manipulated the deb
[09:25] <wrapster> geser: thank a lot for your help...
[09:25] <wrapster> of course nspr is done now.. I should start with nss now.
[09:25] <wrapster> :)
[09:25] <wrapster> i'll again come to you.. :)
[10:23] <wrapster> geser: even after nspr being built successfully i get error while building nss, and what im assuming to be the issue is the upstream name....
[10:23] <wrapster> I want to change it... how do i do it?
[10:23] <wrapster> to something like libnspr-64
[10:24] <geser> wrapster: upstream name of the lib?
[10:24] <wrapster> yeah
[10:24] <wrapster> currently its called libnspr4-0d
[10:25] <wrapster> the 64bit one is also called libnspr4-0dnexenta-64
[10:25] <wrapster> thats causing the issues..
[10:25] <geser> sorry, don't know as I didn't need to know it till now
[10:26] <wrapster> geser: when i dpkg -i <64bit one> it replaces the already present libnspr4-0d
[10:26] <wrapster> thats 32bit
[10:26] <wrapster> geser: ok np
[10:26] <wrapster> anyone who can let me know pls?
[10:28] <joaopinto> wrapster, not sure I understood your problem, libary package names are irrelevant for a building process
[10:29] <joaopinto> dpkg -i will replace the already present only if you have names/control rules which allow that
[10:29] <wrapster> joaopinto: one moment.. ill do a pastie.. and expalin
[10:34] <wrapster> joaopinto: http://pastie.org/666412
[10:35] <wrapster> i've explained everythign clearly there.
[10:36] <joaopinto> wrapster, what you are describing, you are installing a different version for a package, you can't have mutiple package versions installed
[10:37] <joaopinto> ops, i mean, is expected
[10:37] <joaopinto> if you have to have both libs versions installed you need different package names
[10:38] <wrapster> joaopinto: so how do i create different pkg names?
[10:39] <wrapster> joaopinto: thats what i want!!
[10:39] <azeem> the package name is defined in debian/control
[10:39] <joaopinto> wrapster, you just set the names on debian/control and change the debian/* according to your needs ?
[10:39] <azeem> wrapster: why do you need multi-arch nspr/nss anyway?
[10:39] <wrapster> azeem: i changed it...
[10:39] <azeem> to?
[10:40] <wrapster> azeem: i was in a debate with soren on the same issue yday
[10:40] <azeem> ok
[10:40] <joaopinto> azeem, don't try to understand him, he is attempting something very odd :P
[10:41] <wrapster> azeem: im actually building pkgs for nexenta.. not ubuntu...(but since its pkg question im asking)
[10:41] <wrapster> joaopinto: accepted :)
[10:41] <azeem> wrapster: I know that, it doesn't explain multi-arch nspr/nss though
[10:41] <joaopinto> wrapster, your "how to rename" a package is a bit odd, as renaming is equivalent to building a package with specific name
[10:42] <joaopinto> how did you build a package if you don't know how to name it :P ?
[10:42] <wrapster> joaopinto: yeah sorry about that.. how do i build a pkg with specific name
[10:42] <wrapster> no ...
[10:42] <azeem> 11:39 < azeem> the package name is defined in debian/control
[10:42] <wrapster> its not like that.
[10:42] <wrapster> yeah i know that.. and i did try it but it did not give me desired results..
[10:42] <joaopinto> wrapster, the multiple binary packages names are defined on debian/control
[10:42] <azeem> well, that's not very specific
[10:43] <wrapster> ok..
[10:43] <wrapster> will give it another shot and let you knw
[10:43] <azeem> pastebin your debian/control
[10:43] <joaopinto> wrapster, because you are not clear on your requirements
[10:43] <joaopinto> wrapster, the package name was not changed ? those are the expected results
[10:43] <joaopinto> it is not expected to fix something else that you are assuming to be related to package names :)
[10:44] <wrapster> joaopinto: http://pastie.org/666417
[10:44] <joaopinto> wrapster, if you want multi arch needs you need, different target locations and different package names
[10:44] <joaopinto> and I mean names, not versions
[10:44] <wrapster> joaopinto: yeah got it.. looked at the control files carefully after azeem told me , think i got it
[10:44] <wrapster> let me see
[10:45] <joaopinto> wrapster, libnspr4-0d <- this is the package name
[10:45] <wrapster> joaopinto: yeah.. changed it.
[10:47] <wrapster> joaopinto: ok that will cause more issues than required actually.. I need to almost change everything that i had done for libnspr4-0d
[10:48] <joaopinto> wrapster, since you are cross compiling, why don't build a single package which provides both versions ?
[10:48] <wrapster> yeah thats what i'm trying to do now...
[10:49] <joaopinto> you need building rules for both arch cases and install them into the arch specific dirs
[10:50] <azeem> multiarch is hard
[10:52] <wrapster> joaopinto: yeah by the looks of it and my expertise its going to be tough
[10:52] <wrapster> can you help me?
[10:52] <wrapster> if i paste the rules file?
[10:52] <azeem> why don't you wait till official multiarch lands?
[10:53] <wrapster> azeem: cant.. have to get this up right away.
[10:53] <azeem> wrapster: is this for nexenta directly, or are you just trying to recompile your own firefox package?
[10:53] <wrapster> for nexenta
[10:54] <joaopinto> wrapster, sorry, I have no interest for the specific problem you are trying to address,  and I think you should be learning trivial packaging before diving in such complex issues
[10:54] <wrapster> joaopinto: ok
[10:54] <joaopinto> also I am not familair with cross compiling
[11:07] <wrapster> got it working.
[11:07] <wrapster> changed it to libnspr-64
[11:24] <wrapster> geser: can i ask for a bit more help(this time with nss) or should i just go :(
[11:27] <amarillion> Why does git-buildpackage change the md5sum of my orig.tar.gz? Useless...
[11:42] <ripps> Can somebody help me, I'm trying to make an updated uriparser-0.7.5 package, but for some reason, it keeps trying to generate api docs with doxygen, despite the fact that I don't have --enable-doc during configure, how can I stop it?
[11:43] <geser> does it perhaps have a disable-docs option? to force no docs
[11:43] <ripps> geser: I didn't see that option in configure.ac, but I'll try it
[11:45] <ripps> geser: looks like it worked, thanks
[11:45] <geser> it was just a guess, sometimes there is a disable option matching the enable option
[11:46] <ripps> should have been disabled by default though
[11:47] <Laney> amarillion: you should be using pristine-tar
[11:48] <Laney> if you're just building the orig from the upstream branch then that behaviour is no surprise
[11:50] <amarillion> Laney: I imported the tar with pristine-tar
[11:50] <amarillion> but when I do git-buildpackage, and check the md5sum of the orig.tar newly created, it is different from the original orig.tar
[11:51] <amarillion> Which leads to ppa uploads getting rejected
[11:53] <Laney> why are you uploading the orig if the archive already has it?
[11:53] <amarillion> I'm just doing dput my-ppa *source.dsc
[11:54] <Laney> you should build with -sd and upload the .changes
[11:54] <amarillion> what does the -sd option do?
[11:54] <Laney> doesn't include the orig in the upload
[11:54] <Laney> you should also check your gbp output to see how it's making the orig tarball
[11:58] <amarillion> Ok, I did gbp with the -sd option, then tried dput again and now I get "Checksum doesn't match for ../pathvisio_2.0.0-0ubuntu1~ppa3~nbx1.dsc"
[11:58] <amarillion> Packaging work is so frustrating. It's layer upon layer upon layer of scripts. I have no idea what is going on anymore
[12:45] <ripps> I'm trying to build a libxspf package in pbuilder, now I've built a working uriparser library that I use a hook script to install, but during configure of libxspf, it says it can't find uriparser 0.7.5 or later, despite the fact that I know it installed the -dev and that the deb file contains everything necessary all pkconfigs, includes and *.la
[13:36] <geser> ripps: look how it tries to find uriparser and check why it fails
[13:37] <ripps> geser: already figured it out, the package needed pkg-config
[14:28] <jfcgauss_> hi. regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/458274, or in general "unused library dependencies" of shared libraries/executables in ubuntu/debian, i had sent an email to ubuntu-users list a while back, and then someone had replied mentioning that they were taking care of this problem. i think the problem is actually buried deep in libtool. when i set LDFLAGS='-Wl,--as-needed' during ./configure of a package, that flag gets put
[14:29] <jfcgauss_> that makes --as-needed just useless
[14:29] <jfcgauss_> so i have a patch for libtool :) http://www.pastebin.org/47506
[14:30] <jfcgauss_> it is basically putting $linker_flags ahead of $libobjs and $deplibs
[14:33] <ScottK> jfcgauss_: You might want to discuss that on #ubuntu-server.  The server team developers hang out there.
[14:34] <jfcgauss_> it is not specific to servers
[14:34] <jfcgauss_> i have ubuntu 9.04 amd64 desktop
[14:34] <ScottK> Apache is maintained by the server team.
[14:35] <jfcgauss_> ok but the libtool patch is for all the packages that use libtool basically..
[14:35] <jfcgauss_> apache modules is just an example
[14:36] <jfcgauss_> there are (were) hundreds of shared libraries in ubuntu with unused dependencies
[14:37] <james_w> --as-needed is rarely used in packages though
[14:37] <james_w> jfcgauss_: have you proposed your patch to the libtool developers?
[14:38] <jfcgauss_> no i havent
[14:38] <jfcgauss_> i'll do that
[14:39] <james_w> jfcgauss_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:39] <james_w> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=347650
[14:40] <hyperair> james_w: it's not really all that rare.
[14:40] <james_w><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:50] <jfcgauss_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtool/+bug/459095
[15:13] <rhpot1991> siretart: yep I tested it, appears to run better.  I sent a test file off to someone else to test with itunes/iphone still waiting on word back from them
[16:27] <jetienne> q. i got a .deb which has some not-yet installed-dependancies... how can i install those dependancies automatically ? like it is done by apt-get when it is coming from a repository
[16:28] <jdong> install the deb, then apt-get -f install.
[16:29] <azeem> use gdebi
[16:30] <jdong> which works for the degenerate case of one deb
[16:31] <jetienne> jdong: excelent, it did the job thanks
[16:31] <jetienne> azeem: ok will try
[16:32] <jdong> jetienne: for multiple debs, you can do a dpkg -i deb1 deb2 deb3 ; apt-get -f install
[16:32] <jdong> for a single deb, gdebi will do it for you in a more user-friendly manner
[16:32] <jdong> that is, it tells you beforehands if the operation can succeed...
[16:32] <jdong> while with apt-get -f install, if the dependencies cannot be satisfied it'll just force the removal of the partially-installed debs from the last step
[16:32] <jetienne> gdebi is nice but no cool for batch
[16:33] <jetienne> jdong: ok
[17:36] <stevecrozz> how do I get launchpad to accept a new source copy that I'm working on... dput gives me "Already uploaded to stevecrozz on ppa.launchpad.net"
[17:36] <stevecrozz> the last build failed so I need to try a new one
[17:38] <av`> stevecrozz, either remove the .upload file on your working dir or force the upload with dput -f
[17:39] <av`> stevecrozz, you'll need to bump up versioning on changelog as well
[17:39] <stevecrozz> av`: I think that's the part I'm missing... how do I do that?
[17:39] <av`> stevecrozz, which version did you use before? e.g which version did the failed to build package has
[17:40] <stevecrozz> php5_5.2.11-0ubuntu1
[17:40] <av`> php5_5.2.11-0ubuntu2 will be the next one, I suggest you to happen a ~ppaX for PPA uploads
[17:40] <av`> * append
[17:40] <maco> i usually put my lp username intead of ppa
[17:40] <stevecrozz> php5_5.2.11-0ubuntu1~ppa1 ?
[17:41] <av`> maco, yes, that's fine as well
[17:41] <maco> that way when a person looks at "apt-cache poiicy" they know which ppa a package came from
[17:41] <av`> stevecrozz, php5_5.2.11-0ubuntu2~ppa1
[17:41] <ari-tczew> policy * :>
[17:42] <av`> stevecrozz, there is an handy compare-versions tool if you wanna see if a certain version is lower than the one you are uploading
[17:42] <stevecrozz> is the changelog something you edit by hand? or is there a tool for that
[17:42] <maco> stevecrozz: try "dch -i"
[17:42] <av`> stevecrozz, dch -i makes a new entry dch -a uses existing one (if someone edited it before you)
[17:42] <maco> itll create a changelog entry with your name/email and the date all set up, and open it in your editor for you to fill in
[17:43] <maco> ari-tczew: yes thanks you
[17:43] <stevecrozz> Perfcect.. looks like that works great
[17:43] <av`> stevecrozz, dch -a works fine if you need to make some changes to a revision already touched by someone else
[17:43] <maco> av`: what is this handy comparison tool?
[17:43] <av`> maco, dpkg one^^
[17:44] <av`> maco, dpkg --compare-versions
[17:44] <maco> ah ok thanks
[17:44] <jdong> maco: dpkg --compare-versions "old" -lt "new" && echo true || echo false
[17:44] <av`> stevecrozz, plus dch -a puts your changes under your name and the changes already made by someone else under his / her name
[17:45] <av`> stevecrozz, but you need dch -i for what you need now :)
[17:47] <stevecrozz> thanks a bunch, dput sent it up
[17:52] <av`> stevecrozz, let's hope it will get accepted now :)
[17:53] <stevecrozz> av`: actually it was rejected because I didn't notice that dch used a bad email address
[17:53] <stevecrozz> stevecrozz@stevecrozz-desktop
[17:53] <av`> stevecrozz, eheh
[17:53] <av`> stevecrozz, set it with DEBEMAIL
[17:53] <stevecrozz> environment variable?
[17:54] <kees> motu-release: I have uploaded usplash-theme-ubuntu-color for the FFe in bug 450809, if you could give it a push, please.
[17:55] <av`> stevecrozz, yep, export<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:56] <av`> stevecrozz, same with DEBFULLNAME
[17:56] <stevecrozz> ok
[17:56] <maco> might want to put that export line in your ~/.bashrc
[17:57] <stevecrozz> i shall
[17:58] <stevecrozz> php5 (5.2.11-0ubuntu2~ppa2) jaunty; urgency=low    * added a valid email address
[17:59] <av`> stevecrozz, yes, but why jaunty?
[17:59] <av`> stevecrozz, is that on purpose or missed?
[17:59] <stevecrozz> you mean why not karmic?
[18:00] <av`> yes
[18:00] <stevecrozz> Just because that's what I have right now.. I'll upgrade next week with the official launch
[18:01] <av`> oh ok :)
[18:05] <stevecrozz> av`: I'm getting frustrated now : Rejected:
[18:05] <stevecrozz> Unable to find php5_5.2.11.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution.
[18:06] <stevecrozz> all the rejection~
[18:06] <av`> stevecrozz, paste me your changes file
[18:06] <maco> stevecrozz: is the orig named wrong maybe?
[18:07] <ari-tczew> propably you have wrong distro: e.g. unstable instead karmic if package getting from debian
[18:07] <ari-tczew> in debian/changelog
[18:07] <av`> ari-tczew, he has jaunty
[18:07] <av`> ari-tczew, he pasted the changelog entry before
[18:08] <av`> !pastebin | stevecrozz
[18:08] <stevecrozz> av`: http://pastebin.com/d29cfce5a
[18:08] <av`> ty
[18:08] <geser> stevecrozz: how did you call debuild to build your source package?
[18:08] <av`> stevecrozz, easy you didnt include the orig
[18:08] <stevecrozz> debuild -S
[18:08] <av`> stevecrozz, that means wrong debuild run
[18:08] <geser> as even karmic has only php5 5.2.11 you need do pass -Sa for the first upload
[18:09] <stevecrozz> how do i fix it?
[18:09] <av`> stevecrozz, debuild -S -Sa
[18:09] <ari-tczew> FYI: IMO debuild -S -sa is better because require .orig.tar.gz
[18:09] <geser> once your have the .orig.tar.gz in your PPA -S will be enough
[18:09] <av`> stevecrozz, run debuild -S -sa and you should see the orig included in your .changes file
[18:10] <av`> stevecrozz, now you have only php5_5.2.11-0ubuntu2~ppa2.diff.gz and php5_5.2.11-0ubuntu2~ppa2.dsc :)
[18:10] <stevecrozz> crap, i probably have to bump the version again huh
[18:10] <av`> stevecrozz, no, if the package didnt get accepted you don't need to bump it
[18:10] <geser> only for accepted uploads
[18:11] <ScottK> Note to everyone: Universe is still open for business for fixes ....
[18:11] <quidnunc> Is there any way to see what PPA url in sources.list is broken (i.e. when doing an aptitude update)?
[18:11] <av`> quidnunc, you should see a warning or something I guess (I use apt)
[18:11] <quidnunc> av`: I do, the problem is I only see the domain.
[18:12] <av`> quidnunc, paste me some relevant lines
[18:12] <av`> stevecrozz, 5.2.11-0ubuntu2~ppa1 should be usable
[18:13] <av`> as far as you didnt get a package accepted yet
[18:13] <stevecrozz> too late.. i skipped ppa1 :)
[18:13] <av`> ^^
[18:13] <stevecrozz> this has been quite the learning experience
[18:13] <quidnunc> av`: http://dpaste.com/111141/
[18:13] <av`> be careful with versioning stuff
[18:14] <av`> quidnunc, you didnt specify a PPA
[18:14] <quidnunc> av`: Pardon?
[18:14] <av`> quidnunc, you just added http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages to your sources.list
[18:14] <av`> quidnunc, but you need to specify with PPA you want
[18:15] <av`> * which
[18:15] <quidnunc> av`: No. I have the full path. The problem is that the url moved.
[18:15] <av`> quidnunc, paste me your sources.list
[18:15] <av`> and tell me which PPA you wanna enable
[18:15] <stevecrozz> yes.. it was accepted... lets hope the build works now
[18:16] <av`> stevecrozz, yay!
[18:16] <quidnunc> av`: I know where the problem is and have fixed it. But I have many PPAs and it was a lot of trouble trying to track down which one was problematic.
[18:16] <av`> quidnunc, paste me your sources.list please
[18:17] <av`> I can't see what's wrong if I have nothing to look at :)
[18:17] <stevecrozz> av`: if I wanted to start with source code from another person's PPA instead of ubuntu's php source, is that just as easy?
[18:18] <av`> stevecrozz, you would need to grab the sources manually or via apt-get source if you enabled that PPA in your sources.list
[18:18] <quidnunc> av`: There is nothing wrong anymore. My question is when you have 10 PPAs in your sources.list and one of the urls is bad it gives the error message in my paste. How am I supposed to figure out which of the 10 is bad?
[18:18] <stevecrozz> i think that might be the next thing I try
[18:18] <av`> quidnunc, actually the warning you see Err http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages
[18:18] <av`>   404  Not Found should say it
[18:19] <av`> quidnunc, this is a wrong PPA url
[18:19] <quidnunc> av`: Yes but which of the 10?
[18:19] <av`> quidnunc, plus I don't understand Ign http://<IP_ADDRESS> karmic-backports/restricted Sources
[18:19] <av`> you made a backport repo locally?
[18:19] <av`> that's a LAN IP usually
[18:19] <quidnunc> av`: No it is my approx package caching
[18:20] <quidnunc> It is not relevant.
[18:20] <maco> av`: or dget!
[18:20] <av`> maco, yep :)
[18:20] <av`> quidnunc, deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xxxx/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[18:21] <av`> quidnunc, this is how your PPA link should look like in your sources.list
[18:21] <av`> quidnunc, where xxxx is the guy / team who maintain that PPA
[18:21] <av`> quidnunc, if you have http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages in your sources.list, that's wrong
[18:21] <quidnunc> av`: I don't.
[18:22] <quidnunc> av`: I don't think you understand the problem
[18:22] <quidnunc> Let me go more slowly
[18:23] <av`> quidnunc, 'How am I supposed to figure out which of the 10 is bad?' aptidude / apt reports what you have on sources.list
[18:23] <maco> s/guy/person/
[18:23] <stevecrozz> av`: is there an easy way to make launchpad build packages for more than one version of ubuntu?
[18:23] <quidnunc> I have 10 PPA urls in my sources.list. They were all correct at some point. Then someone change the location of their PPA making the old url broken. So I started getting the error messages in my aptitude update. But the error messages seemingly don't have enough information to isolate which one is bad. What is the reasonable thing to do?
[18:23] <maco> <-- not a guy, has ppa
[18:23] <maco> stevecrozz: no, unfortunately
[18:24] <maco> stevecrozz: have to upload (wtih new version number) for each
[18:24] <av`> quidnunc, checking all PPAs?
[18:24] <av`> quidnunc, one by one till you get the bad one
[18:24] <quidnunc> av`: That doesn't seem reasonable to me
[18:24] <maco> binary search!
[18:24] <quidnunc> av`: Anyway I just wanted to confirm that there was no other way. Thanks.
[18:24] <maco> comment out the last 5 and see if it works
[18:24] <av`> stevecrozz, just change target on changelog
[18:25] <av`> stevecrozz, from jaunty to any other target distro
[18:25] <maco> if so, comment out the last 3 and see if it works. if not 6 or 7 is bad ;) if the first step didnt work, one of the first 5 is bad, so bisect them...
[18:25] <quidnunc> Thanks I know what binary search is.
[18:25] <av`> quidnunc, again, aptitude / apt reports back what you have on your sources.list
[18:25] <maco> sorry
[18:26] <maco> lisp and haskell channels.....wow yep, im sure you would
[18:26] <maco> scary functional languages...
[18:26] <av`> quidnunc, so if a PPA not works here, I get a warning that a specific PPA not works anymore
[18:26] <quidnunc> av`: Did you see the error message I pasted? It doesn't provide *which* PPA is broken, only the domain.
[18:26] <quidnunc> (which are all ppa.launchpad.net)
[18:27] <av`> quidnunc, let me test it
[18:27] <ScottK> Sounds like a good topic for #ubuntu to me.
[18:28] <av`> quidnunc, apt-get update will tell you
[18:28] <av`> W: Impossible to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/test/ppa/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[18:28] <stevecrozz> so my build says Pending (2510)    what does that mean?
[18:29] <av`> stevecrozz, those are build points
[18:29] <av`> stevecrozz, e.g priority
[18:30] <av`> quidnunc, so in fact you know what's broken ;)
[18:30] <av`> quidnunc, anyway that's more an #ubuntu thing yes
[18:30] <quidnunc> ScottK: Consider me gone.
[18:31] <av`> ScottK, he took your comment the wrong way
[18:31] <av`> eheh
[18:55] <jetienne> q. i need to write a init.d script for a package im making (a usual network daemon), any good example for me to copy ?
[18:56] <joaopinto> jetienne, apt-get source some_daemon :) ?
[18:56] <joaopinto> check apt-cacher-ng source for example
[18:57] <geser> if the package targets karmic (or lucid), wouldn't it be better to write an upstart job?
[18:57] <jetienne> ok thanks
[18:58] <joaopinto> is debian using upstart also ?
[18:58] <joaopinto> Debian
[18:58] <geser> there was some discussion going on, but I don't know the state of it
[18:58] <joaopinto> if it's not, is not a good option :\
[19:00] <geser> one can provide both :) and modify later the Ubuntu package to use the upstart job instead the init script
[19:04] <ScottK> joaopinto: Not until after Squeeze is out
[19:12] <cbx33> hey all
[19:12] <cbx33> long time noe see
[19:20] <ari-tczew> I have a question
[19:21] <ari-tczew> I'm preparing debdiff security for jaunty
[19:21] <ari-tczew> package first needs get to -proposed?
[19:21] <ari-tczew> or directly to -security?
[19:24] <ScottK> ari-tczew: security uploads go straight to -security
[19:24] <ari-tczew> OK, thnx
[19:39] <jetienne> q. i have created my .postinst and .postrm files into debian/ , how do i ask dpkg to put them in the .deb ?
[19:40] <jetienne> is there a magic dh_* to do ?
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> jetienne - no, just make sure the file names match the name of the binary package you want to insall them in to
[19:43] <chrisccoulson> (or just call them "postinst" and "postrm" if it is a single binary package)
[19:44] <jetienne> hmm ok thanks. so i did another mistake. will look more :)
[19:46] <chrisccoulson> jetienne - it is dh_installdeb which copies the maintainer scripts in to the DEBIAN folder for the binary package, but I assume you're calling that else your package would not build at all anyway ;)
[19:47] <jetienne> chrisccoulson: thanks. it was a typo :) postint instead of postinst
[19:48] <chrisccoulson> jetienne - excellent, glad it's sorted now:)
[19:53] <jetienne> grumble the uninstall fails due to trailling .pyc
[20:35] <sistpoty> hi folks
[20:39] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[20:39] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[20:40] <sebner> huhu bddebian sistpoty  ;)
[20:40] <sistpoty> hi sebner
[20:41] <sebner> sistpoty: we made it in time, great hmm? thx for your acks ;)
[20:41] <sistpoty> sebner: yes, and thanks for your testing (fuddl told me he didn't test network playing :P)
[20:42] <sebner> sistpoty: heh, this was initial testing though (if it's useable for ubuntu), now I have to do proper/deep testing :P
[20:43] <bddebian> Heya sebner
[20:43] <sistpoty> sebner: there was a -2 upload following shortly, does your sync request cover this one as well? (looked like cleanup mostly)
[20:44] <sebner> sistpoty: imho yes, or doesn anything speaks against it? It's really most of cleanup
[20:44] <sistpoty> sebner: no, but it needs a motu ack
[20:44] <sebner> sistpoty: really? because of final freeze?
[20:45] <sistpoty> sebner: no, because it's a different version to sync
[20:45] <sistpoty> (problem is that I doubt that -1 is still available in unstable)
[20:45] <sebner> sistpoty: archive admins sync newest versions anyways.
[20:46] <sebner> sistpoty: -2 is for me "further improvement of 2.5.2 upload"
[20:46] <sistpoty> sebner: but I believe you'll get asked if -2 is still ok to sync?
[20:46] <sebner> sistpoty: ok, I'll update the bug. Anything else needed?
[20:46] <sistpoty> sebner: thanks! not that I know of :)
[20:47] <sebner> fine
[20:47] <sistpoty> (of course a test-build, but iirc it's not the huge -data package that was -2... but I might be wrong on this one)
[20:48] <sebner> sistpoty: yeah it's the small package and I'll testbuild
[20:48] <sistpoty> :)
[20:49] <sebner> sistpoty: we need to sync quickly so you can't annoy me further :P
[20:49] <sistpoty> haha
[20:49] <sistpoty> sebner: did I mention testing? ;)
[20:49] <sebner> sistpoty: testing was done :P
[20:49] <sebner> not enough imho
[20:49] <sistpoty> :)
[20:49] <sebner> I need to correct that over weekend :P
[20:49] <sistpoty> haha
[20:51]  * ScottK is still hoping people will work this weekend on fixing broken stuff.
[20:52] <ScottK> We still have almost two days before Universe final freeze even starts
[20:52] <sebner> yeah, no nexuiz testing but FTBFS fixing!
[20:52] <sistpoty> ScottK: can an application link against both libqt3 and libqt4? (looking at qtiplot atm)?
[20:53] <ScottK> sistpoty: Yes.
[20:53] <sistpoty> oh, then the fix for breakage might be simple. Thanks ScottK
[20:54] <ScottK> Of course it has to be designed for that ....
[20:54] <sistpoty> oh, /me will just test if it builds and if it works :)
[20:58] <sebner> sistpoty: ScottK : FYI, nexuiz -2 builds, installs fine and game still works
[20:58] <ScottK> OK.
[20:59] <leonel> hello  can somemotu check this  diffs  for bug  446838
[21:00] <rhpot1991> siretart: ping have some test results to share with you
[21:01] <rhpot1991> siretart: definitely works better than before, lame no longer fails, but the resulting files seem to have issues with them
[21:02] <rhpot1991> siretart: they are playable with my cowon player, and vlc.    Perhaps it solves it?
[21:27] <sistpoty> ScottK: looks like it needs (forward-|back-)porting for qwt (embedded copy)
[21:27] <ScottK> sistpoty: Ah, I think I remember discussing that one.
[21:28] <ScottK> IIRC I got grumpy about even more embedded stuff.
[21:28] <ScottK> We may as well have it building than not at this point I'd say
[21:29] <sistpoty> hm, actually what's strange is that it has got a build-depends on libqwt5-qt4-dev and a depends on libqwt5-qt4, so it might not use the embedded source copy
[21:31] <sistpoty> oh, no, that was libqwtplot3d in question, /me checks again
[21:34] <ScottK> sistpoty: I tend towards the idea of if it builds, ship it.  If it has a problem we can SRU it and I'd rather than than have it unbuildable.
[21:35] <sistpoty> ScottK: *nod*
[23:25] <siretart> rhpot1991: please share this information at bug #401406
[23:26] <siretart> rhpot1991: TBH, your pastebin does not look necessarily proove or show a problem in lame...
[23:28] <rhpot1991> siretart: well I'd say that lame is fixed at this point but there may be an underlieing issue with ffmpeg or something associated
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> hi siretart - are you still looking at this gnome-screensaver / VLC issue?
[23:29] <rhpot1991> siretart: should I comment as if I tested the packages from the PPA, are they the same ones I tested?
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> stgraber - were you experiencing bug 454487 too?
[23:30] <rhpot1991> siretart: would it be at all helpful if I gave you any test files?
[23:36] <rhpot1991> siretart: commented, I'll open up a new bug for this other issue
[23:37] <stgraber> chrisccoulson: yes
[23:38] <stgraber> chrisccoulson: I described it quickly in one of my comments on the bug that you fixed (libxklavier issue) but didn't actually file it on LP, I'm happy someone else did.
[23:38] <chrisccoulson> stgraber - i just uploaded a modified gnome-desktop package to my PPA. would you mind testing it?
[23:38] <stgraber> chrisccoulson: great !! I'll sure do
[23:38] <chrisccoulson> https://edge.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+archive/ppa
[23:39] <chrisccoulson> it should fix that specific crash, which looks just like an unsupported X call
[23:40] <siretart> rhpot1991: of course. it would allow to reproduce the issue more easily
[23:49] <rhpot1991> siretart: bug 459453
[23:50] <rhpot1991> siretart: you can use this file to run tests with: http://www.baablogic.net/9002_20091022223800.mpg
[23:51] <rhpot1991> siretart: I can get you larger test files if you need, just yell


[10:02] <gnuoy> jamespage, unicast support for hacluster if/when you have a moment https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charms/trusty/hacluster/unicast-support-take2/+merge/238124


[01:32]  * wrst looks at a long list of parts/joins
[02:54] <cyberanger> wrst: stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you
[02:54] <wrst> That is deep cyberanger
[02:56] <Unit193> The Abyss, a movie and a thing in Andromeda.
[03:07] <cyberanger> Part of a friedrich nietzsche quote
[03:08] <Unit193> Mhmm, it was a quote in Andromeda.


[03:41] <ml|vacation> apw: yeah :p
[09:15] <ricotz> tjaalton, bryceh, hi, while going with mesa 9.0 -- libglu needs to be packaged since it moved to a separate source http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/glu/
[14:00] <tjaalton> ricotz: yes


[19:26] <dmfrey> vdpau seems to be broken on my mythbuntu FE - Nvidia ION
[19:26] <dmfrey> here is vdpauinfo
[19:26] <dmfrey> [VS] Software VDPAU backend library initialized
[19:26] <dmfrey> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[19:26] <dmfrey>   Major opcode of failed request:  154 (GLX)
[19:26] <dmfrey>   Minor opcode of failed request:  3 (X_GLXCreateContext)
[19:26] <dmfrey>   Value in failed request:  0x0
[19:26] <dmfrey>   Serial number of failed request:  17
[19:26] <dmfrey>   Current serial number in output stream:  18
[19:32] <dmfrey> is this machine just getting too old for the newer drivers?


[22:23] <phaidros> ActionParsnip: ok
[22:23] <resixian> finds it now..
[22:23] <spencer__> anonymous57 well than wait until tomorrow, and use your school's computer. Or use your mom's or dad's
[22:23] <ikonia> resixian: out of date cache file
[22:24] <iitg-cs-grad> hi ... I am have compiled kernel <IP_ADDRESS> .... and am trying to boot from it ....  it says device / not found or not ready after booting into it ... when i skip it says /tmp not found or not ready after booting into it .... I am using a wubi over win ... I saw on the forums mentioning something about giving UUID to the boot parameters ... I dont seem to proceed after that...
[22:24] <spencer__> anonymous57 that's really all you can do
[22:24] <uzi__> ikonia: thanks for trying to help. i think i'll just dig into gcc source and find out.
[22:24] <resixian> ikonia: well ty
[22:24] <ikonia> iitg-cs-grad: custom kernels are not supported
[22:24] <rifter> jldesign, well since you're doing a new install it's not as bad to have to use that if necessary to satisfy them, but I think these steps should do enough.  Their diagnostic cds don't require the OS.  If you don't have them, I think you might be able to download or get them.  You might try them as well and see if the nic test does an actual connection test. tell them the connect light is not on that is an important indicator.  Basicla
[22:24] <rifter> ly do the stuff I told you and tell them what you did and  you shoudl be good
[22:24] <ikonia> uzi__: it's a compile time option.
[22:24] <NateW> i have php on my server.. if i have a test php page in /var/www it works, if its in another folder, the browser tries to download the file.. why?
[22:24] <ikonia> uzi__: you don't need to go into the source
[22:24] <stefanos> ikonia, thank you
[22:24] <phaidros> ActionParsnip: are you sure, compiling is the only way out of this mess? actually it is a stock lucid install from this afternoon o.O
[22:24] <resixian> ikonia: shouldn't 'reload' on synaptic have fixed that?
[22:24] <ikonia> uzi__: however you would need to recompile gcc to change the spec path
[22:24] <ikonia> resixian: depends
[22:24] <ikonia> resixian: most of the time, yes
[22:24] <anonymous57> spencer: well we only have one computer in our house, and i wont have time at school, and the library doesnt have computers
[22:25] <ikonia> anonymous57: then we can't help
[22:25] <ikonia> anonymous57: you'll have to wait until you can get access to a recovery cd
[22:25] <uzi__> ikonia: then whats the option to change it?
[22:25] <spencer__> anonymous57 wait until the weekend? or have one of your friends burn you one
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> phaidros: the versions need to match as far as I am aware, it's not hard and is [pretty much spelled out for you in that guide
[22:25] <ikonia> uzi__: do you mean the compile time option ?
[22:25] <uzi__> ikonia: yes.
[22:25] <jldesign> rifter, yes this is the bad signal the connect light is not on
[22:25] <anonymous57> spencer: i dont have any friends :'(
[22:25] <ikonia> uzi__: let me see if I have a note
[22:25] <ikonia> anonymous57: then we can't help
[22:26] <phaidros> ActionParsnip: machine is slow, and install on sd card, installing takes ages and compining .. argh .. even dunno if there is enlough space for build-essentials ..
[22:26] <spencer__> anonymous57 then you're pretty much out of luck, maybe you should go outside and take a walk or soemthing
[22:26] <anonymous57> ikonia: so since i dont have any friends, you cant help me?!
[22:26] <battlehands> hello, does anyone know how I can put the "System" and "Places" tabs on my menu bar?
[22:26] <anonymous57> spencer: im not allowed to go outside
[22:26] <spencer__> anonymous57 Do you live under a bridge?
[22:27] <ikonia> anonymous57: if you can't get access to a recovery CD, we can't help
[22:27] <resixian> he could make a bootable usb image
[22:27] <anonymous57> spencer: no, but im not going to tell you where i live just so you can tell me how to fix my computer that i cant install any programs on
[22:27] <battlehands> recovery cd?  like an install cd?
[22:27] <spencer__> cause my troll radar is going off
[22:27] <ikonia> anonymous57: spencer__ please drop it now, we can't help any more
[22:27] <ilovefairuz> !info gnome-main-menu | battlehands
[22:27] <spencer__> ikonia aye aye captain
[22:28] <anonymous57> resixian: i dont have a usb drive
[22:28] <ikonia> anonymous57: we can't help any more
[22:28] <battlehands> ilovefairuz, what does that mean?
[22:28] <anonymous57> ikonia & spencer: thank you for your help
[22:28] <rww> Fun fact: apt-get doesn't autoremove dependent packages if they're marked as essential.
[22:28] <ikonia> uzi__: the spec file is modified within the source, I normally do it by a patch (just dug out the patch)
[22:28] <ilovefairuz> battlehands: it's a package for an alternative/condensed menu
[22:29] <anonymous57> rww: but i marked those dependent packages as not essential
[22:29] <rww> anonymous57: The "Essential" flag of a package is not a user-changeable thing. Goodbye now.
[22:29] <battlehands> ilovefairuz, is that package what I have installed?
[22:29] <uzi__> ikonia: would be so kind to share it, or at least tell me which files?
[22:30] <ikonia> uzi__: /gcc/config/alpha/gnu.h
[22:30] <anonymous57> rww: but i recompiled part of the OS so that it is user changeable
[22:30] <ilovefairuz> battlehands: nope, not installed by default, you have to install it and add it to the panel
[22:30] <spencer__> rww thank you
[22:30] <ikonia> uzi__: change alpha for your arch
[22:30] <battlehands> ilovefairuz, or is it a link or terminal command to lead me to a download for that menu?
[22:31] <uzi__> ikonia: already figured =)
[22:31] <ilovefairuz> battlehands: the command is: sudo apt-get install gnome-main-menu
[22:31] <battlehands> ilovefairuz, so was there a link in your response or a terminal command to download?
[22:31] <battlehands> ilovefairuz, ok, thanks
[22:32] <Wribbe> feanor2, poked around in the helpfile (for the 100'th) time, and there it was.. export LANG=sv in the terminal solved it all, thanks a bunch!
[22:32] <spencer__> rww he's back
[22:32] <rww> spencer__: I know
[22:33] <ikonia> he won't be if he messses around again
[22:33] <rww> ^
[22:33] <battlehands> ilovefairuz, I used the terminal command to download and install the menu... do I need to restart?  Or do I need to activate it somewhere?
[22:34] <anonymous57b> my previous account got disconnected somehow? maybe there is something wrong with pidgin or your servers? could you please try to help me on this issue so i dont keep disconnecting?
[22:34] <ilovefairuz> battlehands: right-click on the panel in any empty area, select "add..", then find the menu applet and add it
[22:34] <rww> anonymous57b: Trolling is a violation of this channel's guidelines. I suggest you stop it.
[22:35] <ikonia> anonymous57b: you got kicked from the channel, please stop asking for help with something we cannot progress, this is your only warning
[22:35] <phaidros> ActionParsnip: anyhting to say about ppa:team-iquik/alsa? or is it a good idea?
[22:36] <battlehands> ilovefairuz, thanks for the help.  That was really simple.
[22:36] <ilovefairuz> battlehands: you're welcome :)
[22:36] <anonymous57b> sorry for "trolling" was just trying to get help - HAPPY GNU YEAR EVERYONE!!!!
[22:38] <ArkBlitz> Uh... excuse me... I have a problem with Ubuntu after resuming from hibernating.   Is there any chance to reco
[22:39] <myrti_> ver the lost doucment?
[22:39] <ArkBlitz> myrti_: Nope...
[22:39] <ArkBlitz> See, the document was saved on RAM.
[22:40] <Gnea> ArkBlitz: perhaps you could be more informative? "gets stuck" is rather vague.
[22:40] <mmdadawow> lol
[22:40] <shcherbak> myrti_: swap on hd?
[22:40] <ArkBlitz> Gnea: "Get stuck" means "the computer shows the desktop but does not react at all"
[22:40] <Gnea> myrti_: well you could try foremost
[22:40] <myrti_> shcherbak, yes, but I'm not sure it ever managed to load the drive.. the drive is broken and only partially functional. Which is why I'm running on live-cd until the new drive arrives
[22:41] <Gnea> myrti_: so depending on the filesystem in use, yes, it's possible to recover
[22:41] <myrti_> Gnea,  foremost is a recovery system? would I use athat on the internal drive or on the flash drive?
[22:41] <root_op> Is there an official channel for the Upstart project?
[22:41] <Gnea> myrti_: whichever drive you attempted to save the document to, of course
[22:42] <Gnea> myrti_: if not foremost, photorec
[22:42] <myrti_> gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/ubuntu/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=ubuntu)
[22:42] <ArkBlitz> TestDisk also does it. PhotoRec is part of it.
[22:42] <myrti_> that's RAM, no?
[22:42] <myrti_> ArkBlitz, ah, testdisk.. I know my way around with that one
[22:42] <ArkBlitz> FUSE? Most probably yes...
[22:42] <myrti_> thanks, I'll try
[22:42] <Jordan_U> myrti_: Gnea: Since the file was (most likely) never written to disk, but only to RAM, there is nothing that foremost or photorec can do to bring it back from the ether.
[22:42] <myrti_> Jordan_U, they should invent something that does :p
[22:42] <Gnea> ArkBlitz: then you should try booting the system so that you can see what's being logged at the time
[22:43] <ArkBlitz> I can boot it, but I can't read the logs because the computer freezes!
[22:43] <spencer__> anyone need any general troubleshooting? it seems pretty quiet now but still
[22:43] <myrti_> Jordan_U, but if it's RAM there's little point in trying.. I just wasn't sure whether stuff was stored in RAM only for the profile or also on the flash drive/ hard drive
[22:43] <ArkBlitz> Is there a way to keep them in a file or something?
[22:43] <Gnea> Jordan_U: good point, but if it was written and the flash drive happened to incur some bad inodes, then there's still a possibility
[22:43] <ArkBlitz> spencer__: I'm working with a hibernation issue.
[22:43] <ikonia> spencer__: if people need help, they will ask for it
[22:44] <GeekSquid> root_op: #upstart , but as it is a Canonical project it can be supported here
[22:44] <ikonia> GeekSquid: no it can't
[22:44] <Gnea> spencer__: you think this is quiet?
[22:44] <spencer__> ArkBlitz mind if I PM you?
[22:44] <Metaljack> i
[22:44] <ikonia> GeekSquid: this channel supports ubuntu,
[22:44] <ArkBlitz> No prob!
[22:44] <Metaljack> hi
[22:44] <Metaljack> hi
[22:44] <Gnea> ArkBlitz: you can't boot a livecd on it, mount the filesystem and read the logs that way?
[22:44] <spencer__> Gnea I've been in here where there were about 100 active chatters. like, talking a lot. Yeah, this is quiet
[22:44] <phaidros> ActionParsnip: I have updated alsa now all same version, problem persists: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[22:44] <erkan^> Is abiword or openOffice Writer the best?
[22:44] <ArkBlitz> ??
[22:45] <ArkBlitz> erkan^: OpenOffice on my opinion.
[22:45] <phaidros> erkan^: depends, for most I like abiword
[22:45] <ArkBlitz> AbiWord is still too buggy!
[22:45] <erkan^> (-:
[22:45] <ArkBlitz> phaidros: AbiWord is light.
[22:45] <phaidros> ArkBlitz: dont think so :)
[22:45] <erkan^> yes right indd lol
[22:45] <Gnea> spencer__: is that a fact? huh, I guess the guidelines don't cover that then, do they?
[22:45] <ArkBlitz> phaidros: Then my computer is crappy...
[22:45] <GeekSquid> ikonia: upstart is a major part of ubuntu now ... hence this http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[22:46] <erkan^> I often use openOffice Writer (-:
[22:46] <phaidros> ArkBlitz: dont think its buggy, agree it is light ;)
[22:46] <Gnea> !best | erkan^
[22:46] <erkan^> haha
[22:46] <ikonia> GeekSquid: yes, so we can support upstart within ubuntu, but not upstart the product
[22:46] <rww> GeekSquid: It's also available on other distributions. Help with upstart on Ubuntu is fine here. Help with upstart in general isn't.
[22:46] <spencer__> Gnea I wasn't declaring that it was quiet by anyone else's means but my own
[22:46] <erkan^> ok (-: Gnea
[22:46] <phaidros> anyone can help out with a urgent sound issue on lucid?
[22:46] <erkan^> that is right too, Gnea
[22:46] <erkan^> :p
[22:47] <root_op> GeekSquid, Well basicly I'm trying to choose a new init process since sysinit-v is pretty much obsolate, or rather it's way of initializing.
[22:47] <phaidros> user is in right group, device is owned by group, but user is not allowed to use alsa deivce .. any ideas?
[22:47] <myrti_> since I've already screwed myself over royally I'd like to avoid that from happening again. I've been remounting the read-only partition of my flash drive with " mount -o remount,rw /cdrom/" so as to store stuff on it. However I need to use sudo and then only sudo can save stuff on it. How do I make it accessible to everyone (safely)
[22:47] <Gnea> spencer__: at any rate, if you've been around this long, then you should know by now that you don't need to ask such a question in here, just jump in and answer if you happen to know
[22:47] <GeekSquid> root_op: is this on an ubuntu system?
[22:47] <root_op> I'm trying to choose between systemd, launchd and Upstart.
[22:47] <root_op> No, it's not an Ubuntu system.
[22:47] <GeekSquid> root_op: please take your questions to #upstart
[22:47] <root_op> Haven't really named it yet, it's just a little test system of mine.
[22:47] <root_op> Ah right. Thanks then.
[22:49] <bitplane> Hi, I've got a few new file types for /usr/share/misc/magic
[22:49] <spizti> Ok, this ain't good. I used to have WinXP and WinVista on my grub boot menu. I ran update-grub, and it left in the boot menu only Linux. How can I make the Windows appear again ?
[22:49] <bitplane> Where do I submit them for inclusion?
[22:50] <bcj> Is there a way of changing the bluetooth device ID as trivially as one can change their MAC address?
[22:50] <GeekSquid> !launchpad | bitplane ... probably want to work it into a blueprint
[22:50] <bitplane> bcj, AFAIK that's at the radio level. may not be possible, read up on the bluetooth protocol stack
[22:51] <bcj> bitplane: I was hoping it would be easy, but I'm beginning to think it'll be a case of hacking firmware
[22:51] <neverender_> im having a problem, my roommate tried to boot into my windows 7 partition (i dualboot ubuntu and 7) and when he couldnt figure out my password he turned off the machine and now it fails to boot
[22:51] <bitplane> GeekSquad, I thought blueprints were for larger things. Should I expand it to include a shipload of other formats first?
[22:51] <phaidros> ActionParsnip: are you there?
[22:52] <neverender_> it was going into grub-rescue> prompt
[22:52] <GeekSquid> bitplane: if you are planning on bringing in the Enterprise, great, but dingy's are great too
[22:52] <Jordan_U> neverender_: Can you boot from a liveCD?
[22:52] <spizti> Ah, I think I found this, needed to chmod +x scripts in /etc/grub.d. But why didn't they have execute permission already ?
[22:53] <neverender_> but i followed some steps to boot into ubuntu i found and itried to fix grub from inside ubuntu, but when i reset the comp, now it gives me a new grub console "[minimal BASH-like line editing is supported...blah blah blah         grub>
[22:53] <RobotCow> free drugs and love in ##sushi
[22:53] <spizti> Ah, anyone sees what I write ?
[22:53] <LoRez> RobotCow: don't spam.
[22:53] <GeekSquid> spizti: yes
[22:54] <spizti> Ok, glad to know I'm identified. Gonna reboot now.
[22:55] <neverender_> can anybody read this?
[22:55] <shcherbak> no
[22:55] <GeekSquid> neverender_: yes
[22:55] <neverender_> ok good
[22:56] <neverender_> not sure if anybody read my above problem, but any help would be appreciated
[22:56] <neverender_> need me to rewrite on one line?
[22:56] <Jordan_U> neverender_: Can you boot from a liveCD?
[22:56] <shcherbak> neverender_: can you boot from live cd?
[22:57] <neverender_> im trying to acquire one now
[22:57] <neverender_> i want to at least be able to boot into windows 7 as my important documents are on there
[22:58] <eichi> hello. strange behaviour on a mittle old laptop. ubuntu 9.04 live cd boots without problems. but xubuntu 10.10 alternative does not start installation. someone has any ideas?
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> neverender_: boot to win7 cd and reinstate the bootloader. You should have a BACKUP of your docs and you will have no issue
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> eichi: Jaunty is no longer supported
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> eichi: tried the Lucid desktop CD?
[22:59] <trox702> Hi everybody, didn't want to flood the room. Can anyone help with this ssh problem? : http://pastebin.com/u4uk3ShX
[23:00] <trench> trox702: there is alot of php scripts out there
[23:00] <bitplane> trox702: forwarding audio is much harder than just serving up a shared folder or something
[23:00] <guampa> trox702: you can't forward sound over ssh in principle
[23:00] <bitplane> just set up SFTP and have your mac connect to it
[23:00] <eichi> ActionParsnip: can you name numbers? dont know all the names
[23:00] <ArkBlitz> spencer__: Sorry, I'm back!
[23:01] <Jordan_U> neverender_: If you want a quick way to get into windows (and Ubuntu) you can use Super GRUB2 Disk, it's only a 1.4 meg download.
[23:01] <phaidros> eichi: 10.04
[23:01] <guampa> what you can do is try to use an ssh based fs, though dunno if such thing exists in macs
[23:01] <eichi> no, dont have any cd here at the moment
[23:01] <trench> trox702: you can try sshfs too, but i havn't testet it and i have no idea about the mac part
[23:01] <phaidros> ActionParsnip: any idea besides alsa versions for the blocked alsa device?
[23:01] <tensorpudding> trox702: mt-daapd might be a better idea
[23:01] <neverender_> Jordan_U: ty ill look into it now
[23:01] <ArkBlitz> Just in case, I finally figured out how to make the hibernation work.
[23:01] <ArkBlitz> But, I have another problem.
[23:02] <trench> neverender_: use a usbkey?
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> phaidros: you may need some option on the snd-hda-imtel module which can be defined in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[23:02] <Egyptian1019> Hey everyone I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I just installed Ubuntu for the first time today and it will go through the installation and everything but after reboot I get a blinking cursor forever. If i boot with the CD in and cancel the installation im able to get on.
[23:02] <tensorpudding> trox702: that way, you can play it directly from iTunes without having to do ssh
[23:03] <guampa> tensorpudding: that's some streaming server?
[23:03] <phaidros> ActionParsnip: okay, I will try tomorrow, now someone just switched of the remote part of the vpn :/ thanx for helping
[23:03] <tensorpudding> if you're worried about security, you can configure daapd to bind on localhost, and forward the packets using ssh
[23:03] <ArkBlitz> Egyptian1019: Could you please be more specific with "when I cancel the installation"?
[23:03] <trench> tensorpudding: Support for Mac OSX (coming soon!) it said on the webpage
[23:03] <zanadu> hello
[23:03] <tensorpudding> guampa: yeah
[23:03] <zanadu> hi
[23:04] <eichi> ActionParsnip: have to wait until tomorrow, then someone gives me ubuntu 10.10
[23:04] <guampa> now i see what he was up to with "stream sound over ssh"
[23:04] <tensorpudding> trench: i thought OSX was the client
[23:04] <the_eye_> sound problem with 8086:27d8, any help
[23:04] <eichi> but i think, the 265 mb ram is a little tiny for that
[23:04] <eichi> strange enaught, that ubuntu 9.04 live cd works
[23:04] <zanadu> anyone in 8th grade math doing equations
[23:04] <tensorpudding> daapd would run on the linux box, and iTunes supports it
[23:05] <tensorpudding> i've set it up before
[23:05] <guampa> zanadu: wrong channel
[23:05] <guampa> you want #math
[23:05] <SQUEEEE> I'm trying to add an Alt Gr key to the Mac keyboard I'm using as it's missing one. With xmodmap I can run "keycode 134 = ISO_Level3_Shift", however this will only last until the end of the X session or another keyboard layout is selected in the Gnome keyboard configuration dialogue. How do I make this permanent?
[23:05] <eichi> okay, but 5mb free memory after boot ;D
[23:05] <phaidros> tensorpudding: trench: mt-daapd
[23:05] <zanadu> huh\
[23:05] <trench> tensorpudding: then it should work :)
[23:06] <epl> SQUEEEE: put the xmodmap line in a file called .xmodmap in your $HOME/ directory
[23:06] <tensorpudding> in any case, I would think that it would run on OSX too, since it says "support for unix/POSIX" platforms, and OSX would fit that description
[23:06] <epl> SQUEEEE: should be read by gnome upon login...
[23:07] <trench> Egyptian1019: what kind of hardware?
[23:07] <edijel> oi
[23:07] <epl> SQUEEEE: the file should probably be called .xmodmaprc
[23:08] <trench> edijel: what's up? :)
[23:08] <SQUEEEE> All right, I'll try that, thanks epl
[23:08] <bluezone> testing
[23:08] <trench> 1 2 3
[23:08] <bluezone> thanks
[23:09] <trench> yw
[23:10] <neverender_> can i just plop the .iso on the usb or do i need to do something with it?
[23:11] <habanany> I installed ubuntuone in windows, it works fine
[23:11] <neverender_> trench: can i just plop the .iso on a thumbdrive?
[23:11] <ActionParsnip> neverender_: use unetbootin or the 1-2-3 installer from pendrivelinux
[23:12] <trench> neverender_: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ use this
[23:12] <ArkBlitz> Problem: Plymouth doesn't work anymore for me. It's a black screen until login. And it used to work.
[23:12] <Egyptian1019> I currently have two hard drives one with Windows XP and was trying to install Ubuntu on a seperate HD but after installation when it begins to boot I get a blinking cursor for an infinite amount of time. Would anyone be able to help with this problem?
[23:13] <ActionParsnip> Egyptian1019: www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-ubuntu-10-04-lts-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup.html - Cached
[23:13] <bluezone> Egyptian1019, many people are having problems with that
[23:14] <Egyptian1019> Thanks ill check out that link.
[23:14] <Kenzor> ArkBlitz: did you recently install nvidia drivers?
[23:14] <ArkBlitz> No, but I recently changed /etc/default/grub
[23:15] <ArkBlitz> The following two lines:
[23:15] <ArkBlitz> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash profile pciehp.pciehp_force=1"
[23:15] <ArkBlitz> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="splash nomodeset"
[23:15] <Kenzor> i keep this one bookmarked for similar problems: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Fix-the-Big-and-Ugly-Plymouth-Logo-in-Ubuntu-10-04-140810.shtml
[23:15] <ArkBlitz> The "splash" should work but doesn't.
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> ArkBlitz: i use:
[23:16] <Kenzor> can't say i know much about grub2
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> ArkBlitz:
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> ArkBlitz: http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> ArkBlitz: tells the boot to use the fb driver which loads fast
[23:16] <ArkBlitz> Will check. And, how did you guess my gpu is a radeon?
[23:17] <ActionParsnip> ArkBlitz: it happens with the proprietary drivers
[23:17] <ArkBlitz> Which I don't use!
[23:17] <ArkBlitz> Because I can't install them!
[23:17] <ArkBlitz> The Radeon 9600 is deprecated.
[23:17] <ArkBlitz> And therefore has no support for Linux.
[23:17] <Guest75870> is there anying games i can put on ubuntu 8.1
[23:17] <GeekSquid> I have a strange keyboard issue with a compaq laptop Presario F700... All keys work except left and right arrows, Home, End, P_up, P_dn, tried evtest to see if anything on those keys come up on any event# and I get nothin, anybody seen this before?
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> ArkBlitz: freaky, i use it even on my crappy lappy which uses intel. It's in my post install script to auto setup :)
[23:18] <Guest75870> got lots of games but there for windows
[23:18] <trench> Guest75870: it all depens on your hw
[23:18] <tensorpudding> Guest75870: look for games that support Ubuntu
[23:18] <tensorpudding> there are some
[23:18] <bindi> or try wine
[23:18] <ArkBlitz> Strangely enough, the FGLRX refuses to install properly on my system.
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> Guest75870: penumbra is good (demo is free but is paid for software), Urban Terror rocks if you like counterstrike and the like
[23:19] <tensorpudding> ArkBlitz: with radeon 9x, i'm fairly sure the open-source driver supports hardware acceleration
[23:19] <trench> Guest75870: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games
[23:19] <GeekSquid> Guest75870: that version of ubuntu is waaaay beyond support, reccommend getting yourself a newer version
[23:19] <frigidosis> anybody here have any experience with wpa_cli?
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> ArkBlitz: I avoid ati, nvidia support is second to none so they get my money
[23:19] <ArkBlitz> tensorpudding: That's what I'm using right now.
[23:20] <tensorpudding> so you don't need the fglrx driver
[23:20] <trench> he could use cedega too
[23:21] <trench> but he ran away :)
[23:24] <tappi> how can i make it so that kernel updates do not appear in the updates?
[23:24] <tappi> i don't want to install anything that necessitates a boot
[23:25] <GeekSquid> tappi: problem is you could end up installing something that requires the newer kernel, then things break without the newer kernel
[23:25] <necroforest> cant you install them and just not reboot
[23:25] <ArkBlitz> tappi: Technically you don't need to reboot...
[23:26] <ArkBlitz> ...until you need something needed by the new kernel, that is.
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> tappi: you can install the new kernel, you will simply be informed you need to rebooot but you can tell it you don't want to
[23:26] <ArkBlitz> Unlike Windoze! Yay!
[23:27] <Kenzor> hooray for treating users like adults
[23:27] <Kenzor> actually i heard about some new technology about a year ago that would let linux swap kernel versions at runtime
[23:27] <trench> tappi - you could try out ksplice too
[23:28] <ArkBlitz> Windoze: YES I DO KNOW I HAVE TO REBOOT BUT CAN'T YOU PLEASE LET ME FINISHING THIS PLEASE?!!!!
[23:28] <Gnea> !caps | ArkBlitz
[23:28] <ArkBlitz> Ubuntu: Oh fine. Whenever you can!
[23:28] <Kenzor> yeah ksplice that was it trench
[23:28] <ArkBlitz> Gnea: Was for drama. Sorry.
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> ArkBlitz: you can change the local policy in windows to not re-ask to reboot until 24 hours later ;)
[23:28] <happosai_> connect irc.freenode.net
[23:28] <Gnea> ArkBlitz: this is a drama-free zone, kthx.
[23:28] <trench> Kenzor: yeah.. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/tag/ksplice-ubuntu
[23:28] <ArkBlitz> ActionParsnip: Forrealz?
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> ArkBlitz: gpedit
[23:29] <trench> happosai_: you are already here :)
[23:31] <itaylor57> KM0201: o/
[23:31] <KM0201> itaylor57: o/
[23:31] <tajpan_22> send me text
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> tajpan_22: text
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> !ubuntu > tajpan_22
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> tajpan_22: should cover all bases
[23:33] <trench> /dcc send tajpan_22 text
[23:33] <Egyptian1019> hey guys I am still having problems with the black screen and blnking curser even with the fixes. Could this be a problem with 10.10 would you recommend going back to 10.04? this is my first installation of ubuntu
[23:34] <trench> Egyptian1019: how did you setup your grub?
[23:34] <KM0201> Egyptian1019: is this a dual boot system?
[23:34] <trench> KM0201: yeah
[23:34] <trench> KM0201: xp and ubuntu
[23:35] <Egyptian1019> sorry im completely new to this but i followed the cd setup and that was about it. And ya its two hardrives one for xp and one for ubuntu
[23:35] <KM0201> hmm.. is he getting the "blinking cursor" after he selects one of the OS's?  or both?
[23:35] <Egyptian1019> just when ubuntu is selected
[23:35] <Egyptian1019> I am able to boot into xp
[23:35] <KM0201> Egyptian1019: are you sure you're giving ubuntu enough time to boot?
[23:35] <tappi> ActionParsnip what happens when new software comes that needs the new kernel?
[23:36] <KM0201> Egyptian1019: i cuz i know there's been some "usplash" bugs(ie, the graphic you see while the OS is loading).. and it may look like its not doing anything, and you just see a black screen
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> tappi: you may get issues but your system should have a mainenance window where it is ok to reboot
[23:36] <Kenzor> do you get any errors or warnings Egyptian1019? like clocksource tsc unstable
[23:36] <tappi> why can't i have the cake and eat it too
[23:36] <elyos> Egyptian1019:  whenever I setup a dualboot system with a dedicated hdd for each os, i let each drive contain it's own clean boot sector, not being aware of the other OS,  there's much discussion about why to do this, but I won't get into it.  the way you select between boot drives then is by your motherboard
[23:36] <tappi> i want the updates but i can't reboot :P
[23:37] <Egyptian1019> no its just a cursor blinking on a black screen
[23:37] <KM0201> Egyptian1019: hit escape when you see that cursor, and see if it displays text of what is going on
[23:37] <Egyptian1019> ok let me try that now
[23:37] <trench> ActionParsnip: uptime 567 days on a box with ksplice :)
[23:37] <Ubunter> i need help
[23:37] <tappi> how can i remove that annoying message that states i need to reboot from the ssh motd
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> Egyptian1019: hold shift at boot and press E on the kernel, you can then add the nomodeset boot option
[23:38] <KM0201> Ubunter: just ask your question and if someone can answer, they will
[23:38] <Kenzor> i hate it when people try linux for the first time and stumble on some serious bug :(
[23:38] <trench> Ubunter - then ask your question and someone will most likely help you
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> trench: nice, not aware of ksplice though
[23:38] <Marker_> Hi what version of the GPL is Ubuntu Under?
[23:39] <Ubunter> iv eran Ubuntu 9.Somthing AND 10.04 and now i try installing the new one and it loads up and stuff but once I hit the
[23:39] <Ubunter> Opps
[23:39] <milamber> Marker_: http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/licensing
[23:39] <trism> tappi: it is controlled by /etc/update-motd.d/98-reboot-required
[23:39] <trench> Marker_: you will find the info on http://www.ubuntu.com/
[23:39] <bastidrazor> tappi: sudo chmod -x /etc/update-motd.d/98-reboot-required
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> trench: reboot takes a few minutes on production servers, this is more than acceptable
[23:39] <Egyptian1019> pressing esc is not going anything still just a blinking cursor and shift then pressing e is also not doing anything
[23:39] <Egyptian1019> doing*
[23:39] <tappi> thx
[23:40] <KM0201> Egyptian1019: are you getting a grub menu, so that you can choose XP?, if so, does XP boot?
[23:40] <Ubunter> Once i hit the "Preparing to install" It doesnt do anything? i hit forward and it just keeps loading thing on my mouse
[23:40] <trench> ActionParsnip: we pay for it at work to support the prosject
[23:40] <trench> project even
[23:40] <tappi> it's not that rebooting itself was costly
[23:40] <Egyptian1019> No im not getting a grub menu at all. Did i need to set that up during installation?
[23:40] <bcj> Does anyone know how I can find out where my bluetooth device is?
[23:40] <tappi> it's that in order to reboot i need to contact a person running the virtual servers
[23:40] <bcj> /dev/???
[23:40] <Egyptian1019> I select the harddrive to boot to through the motherboard
[23:40] <Ubunter> iv eran Ubuntu 9.Somthing AND 10.04 and now i try installing the new one and it loads up and stuff but Once i hit the "Preparing to install" It doesnt do anything? i hit forward and it just keeps loading thing on my mouse
[23:40] <tappi> because they have a hack, and it doesn't reboot automatically
[23:40] <KM0201> Egyptian1019: it should have done it during installation... you said you're running two hard drives, right?
[23:40] <trench> Egyptian1019: yeah because you want to boot both drives
[23:41] <KM0201> Egyptian1019: do you know how to change your boot sequence in the BIOS?
[23:41] <Egyptian1019> yes
[23:41] <Egyptian1019> what order should i have them boot
[23:42] <KM0201> Egyptian1019: whichever hard rive is currently "second"  change it to first
[23:42] <KM0201> you might have put grub on the wrong disk.
[23:42] <Ubunter> can someone help me!?: iv eran Ubuntu 9.Somthing AND 10.04 and now i try installing the new one and it loads up and stuff but Once i hit the "Preparing to install" It doesnt do anything? i hit forward and it just keeps loading thing on my mouse
[23:42] <DonaldShimoda> anybody there
[23:42] <Kenzor> good thinking KM0201
[23:42] <KM0201> Kenzor: cuz i'm a genius.. :)
[23:42] <trench> bcj - dmesg | grep bluetooth should tell you something
[23:43] <omer> hi there
[23:43] <bcj> trench: Cheers - I'll have a look
[23:43] <KM0201> Ubunter: it sounds like you might possibly have a bad burn... have you tried checking the md5sum?
[23:43] <Egyptian1019> ok currently the harddrive with ubuntu is first ill switch it to the other one though and try it
[23:43] <KM0201> Egyptian1019: ok.
[23:43] <bcj> trench: Nope :(
[23:43] <KM0201> !md5 | Ubunter
[23:43] <Guest15675> why did my nick change to Guest ?
[23:44] <Ubunter> KM0201: ive also tried installing linux mint also
[23:44] <KM0201> Guest15675: well, probably because your other nick was either in use, or registered by someone else.
[23:44] <Ubunter> and i get same problwm
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> trench: throwing it no my fileserver now, worth a chuckle
[23:44] <Guest15675> i have a question
[23:44] <Egyptian1019> now its just booting straight onto my XP HD
[23:44] <Guest15675> is ubuntu the best linux OS ever or is there another one ?
[23:44] <KM0201> !best | Guest15675
[23:44] <trench> Ubunter: you trying it with software senter?
[23:44] <trench> to udate that is
[23:44] <Doinkle> Guest15675, goto offtopic for that question please
[23:44] <trench> ?
[23:44] <Doinkle> #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:45] <Ubunter> trench: what is that?
[23:45] <Ubunter> tranch: software sender?
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> trench: the ksplice thing
[23:45] <Guest15675> why not ?
[23:45] <KM0201> Egyptian1019: ok... now, switch it back to the other drive, and just let it sit for a minute, and see if it eventualy gets to the ubuntu desktop
[23:45] <Guest15675> what are u talking about here then ?
[23:45] <KM0201> Guest15675: because this is a support channel.
[23:45] <Ubunter> right now im running off the live CD (trench)
[23:45] <GeekSquid> Guest15675: you are asking a very biased crowd, there are literally 100's of linux distros, ubuntu is only one of them, and it is all a matter of opinion
[23:45] <trench> Guest15675: it's all about taste
[23:45] <Doinkle> this is a support channel Guest15675 , respect that
[23:46] <Guest15675> well i am new at linux
[23:46] <Guest15675> yesterday i ve installed ubuntu 10.10 to my laptop
[23:46] <Guest15675> it seems quite simple
[23:46] <GeekSquid> !enter | Guest15675
[23:46] <Guest15675> everything i need installed
[23:46] <Ubunter> Guest just go back to winblows
[23:46] <trench> Guest15675: it's a good thing right?
[23:46] <KM0201> Guest15675: fire up that awesome search engine called Google.. and do some searching.. you'll find a million opinions on what is best, this isn't the place for that discussion
[23:46] <Doinkle> uhh, you've been politely asked to take this elsewhere Guest15675 ....
[23:46] <Guest15675> well it is very simple basic OS
[23:46] <trench> Ubunter: you are in 9.0 now?
[23:46] <Guest15675> and it s good yes
[23:47] <Ubunter> right now im in Linux mint (trench)
[23:47] <Guest15675> trench are u live or bot ?
[23:47] <Ubunter> trench: the newest one
[23:47] <Guest15675> real or bot *
[23:47] <trench> Guest15675: I'm in Norway ;P
[23:47] <Guest15675> so what is that Linux mint ?
[23:47] <Haqqkcb> Anyone on an andriod phone
[23:47] <kostkon> !ot | Guest15675
[23:47] <Guest15675> is there any other OS interesting ?
[23:47] <Jordan_U> Guest15675: Please move this discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic. This channel is only for Ubuntu support.
[23:47] <Ubunter> GUEST!
[23:48] <Ubunter> I GOT A PERFECT DISTRO FOR YOU!
[23:48] <Haqqkcb> Irc on my phone how cool
[23:48] <trench> Guest15675: www.linux.org check there
[23:48] <KM0201> lol
[23:48] <Ubunter> Guest15675: download arch linux and have fun :)
[23:48] <Guest15675> why do u tell me to leave here ?
[23:48] <KM0201> Egyptian1019: any luck on the ubuntu hard drive eventually booting?
[23:48] <Egyptian1019> alright ill do that now. I am able to get through if i have the CD in the drive. Once it asks me if I want to try ubuntu or install it if I just X out of the installation it loads ubuntu. but without the cd is when it gives me the blinking cursor
[23:48] <KM0201> Guest15675: because your issues are not support related, and as stated, this si a support channel, not a discussion channel
[23:48] <GeekSquid> !guidelines | Guest15675
[23:48] <Egyptian1019> its currently waiting at the blinking screen but its only been about 30 seconds
[23:49] <Ubunter> trench: im running the linux mind live cd. The newest one
[23:49] <trench> Ubunter: okey
[23:49] <Guest15675> what about ubuntu ?
[23:49] <Guest15675> what do u think about it ?
[23:49] <KM0201> Egyptian1019: ok...
[23:49] <NixGeek> I have a question, am I right to complain if i'm paying for dsl and getting about 100kb/s?
[23:49] <Ubunter> Guest15675: Ubuntu is Okay =/
[23:49] <nathrakhi> Hello everyone, I just installed a old version of ubuntu (9.10) and when I try to update it (it uses Finnish mirror/server) it gives 404 error and fails. How do I change mirror/update other way?
[23:49] <zakwilson> Guest15675: "Which distro is 'best'" is off-topic. This is a high-volume channel so off-topic chatter is discouraged. It's also a technical channel, so "what do you think about Ubuntu?" is off-topic.
[23:49] <trench> Guest15675: i have it on 200 servers at work so i kind of like it :)
[23:49] <Guest15675> just ok ?
[23:49] <Guest15675> hmm
[23:49] <Ubunter> Guest15675: Good for new user i guess
[23:50] <Ubunter> Guest15675: pretty user friendly
[23:50] <Ubunter> trench: go on?
[23:50] <trench> Ubunter: so you have ubuntu 9 installed?
[23:50] <trench> or?
[23:51] <trench> and want to upgrade?
[23:51] <trench> or what is the dead?
[23:51] <trench> deal even
[23:51] <FloodBot4> trench: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:51] <GeekSquid> !enter | trench
[23:51] <trench> sorry ;P
[23:51] <Ubunter> trench: i have ubuntu 10.04 on my desktop but im running Linux mint live CD right now and it wont go past the 1 step..
[23:51] <Fraser> hello all i have a prob when I or a prog changes the screen res it throws me back to the log in screen ? any ideas
[23:51] <Egyptian1019> If there is not GRUB menu would you suggest reinstalling?
[23:51] <Jordan_U> !mint | Ubunter
[23:52] <KM0201> Egyptian1019: well, you can install just grub, did you try putting grub on a separate partition, or what?
[23:52] <Ubunter> trench: okay... i also used the ubuntu 10.10
[23:52] <trench> Jordan_U: he got ubuntu trouble and is in Mint to fix it :)
[23:52] <trench> Ubunter: - from cd or usbkey?
[23:52] <NixGeek> Egyptian1019: reinstalling ubuntu, no, reinstalling grub, yes.  look at this guide, number 13: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> Ubunter: linux mint isn't supported here
[23:52] <Ubunter> trench: CD
[23:52] <Egyptian1019> No for the installation process i chose the option to erase data and install ubunto then selected the harddrive and let it do the rest
[23:53] <trench> Ubunter: try an usbkey cds fail more often
[23:53] <Ubunter> All: Linux mint and Ubuntu 10.10 have the same install window... and are stopping at the same spot for me...
[23:53] <trench> ActionParsnip: he want to have ubuntu
[23:53] <trench> Ubunter: what spot is that?
[23:53] <trench> tell some more about the error please
[23:53] <nathrakhi> I try to update 9.10 to 10.04 but the finnish mirror fails, any help?
[23:54] <Ubunter> Trench: prepraring to install
[23:54] <trench> nathrakhi: try another mirror?
[23:54] <Haqqkcb> Should I use p3 450 512 l 2 cache 390 ram or p3 6oo 256 l2 256 ram
[23:54] <trench> Ubunter: what does it say in the console window?
[23:54] <nathrakhi> that's the problem, I don't know how to. This is my first hour of using linux/unix whatever
[23:54] <Marker_> Hi what version of the GPL is Ubuntu Under? The Ubuntu website doesn't say directly what version of GPL it uses.
[23:54] <PsPhaKeR_> I need help bringing back the bar that is on top of the screen
[23:55] <speedxcore> Hi, I'm looking for some kind of historic tab completion. Example, I like to type cp + something? and then get a list of previous cp commands I've typed. Ideas?
[23:55] <philip__> I want to install maverick onto a RAID1 array. I followed the Software RAID guide, but after creating the array, the installer says there's no / partition to install to. Any ideas?
[23:55] <Jordan_U> Marker_: Ubuntu is a collection of many software packages all with their own licences.
[23:55] <Ubunter> trench: nothing... it just stay on the console window  and keeps my cursor on Loading...
[23:55] <hermano> boa noite pessoal
[23:55] <Kenzor> speedxcore: try using ctrl r in the terminal
[23:55] <PsPhaKeR_> I need to restore the taskbar
[23:55] <Kenzor> that's similar to what you are describing
[23:55] <hermano> como posso ajuda-los
[23:55] <GeekSquid> !es | hermano
[23:55] <trench> PsPhaKeR_: have you deleted it or hidden it?
[23:55] <speedxcore> Kenzor: I try
[23:55] <Marker_> Jordan_U how is one supposed to know what license to use if one Remises Ubuntu?
[23:55] <PsPhaKeR_> I deleted it, on acident
[23:56] <PsPhaKeR_> can I restore it through the terminal?
[23:56] <bastidrazor> !panel | PsPhaKeR_
[23:56] <Ubunter> trench: nothing... it just stay on the console window  and keeps my cursor on Loading...
[23:56] <bastidrazor> !panels | PsPhaKeR_
[23:56] <Jordan_U> Marker_: You look at the licence of whatever you revised.
[23:56] <hermano> alguem sabe português
[23:56] <GeekSquid> Marker_: Include the origional licence for any package you use .. that is a requirement of anything GPL
[23:56] <trench> !es hermano
[23:57] <Kenzor> speedxcore: you can also keep pressing ctrl to cycle through the results
[23:57] <Kenzor> ctrl r*
[23:57] <hermano> not espanhol
[23:57] <PsPhaKeR_> thanks :)
[23:57] <hermano> yes português
[23:57] <GeekSquid> !pt | hermano
[23:57] <Marker_> Jordan_U Geelsquid Indeed, but i want to release it under the LGPL, I just need to figure what license it is before hand. Ubuntu itself has one i can't find.
[23:57] <trench> GeekSquid: you beat me too it :)
[23:57] <hermano> thanks GeekSquid
[23:58] <Ubunter> trench...
[23:58] <Jordan_U> Marker_: There is no single license for Ubuntu.
[23:58] <philip__> I want to install maverick onto a RAID1 array. I followed the Software RAID guide, but after creating the array, the installer says there's no / partition to install to. Any ideas?
[23:59] <Doinkle> does the installer see any part of the array?
[23:59] <greg1785> greg
[23:59] <hirogen> any mma fans here
[23:59] <hirogen> ?>
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> !ot | hirogen
[23:59] <hirogen> ok
[23:59] <philip__> Doinkle: the installer still only lists /dev/sda and /dev/sdb