[12:15] <stdin> BTR: if you install 'ubuntu-desktop' in kubutnu, you will have a choice at login of gnome or KDE
[12:15] <endo602> murchadh_bhaba, says my directory is not a directory
[12:15] <murchadh_bhaba> endo602: Of course you can then edit it with the editor of yolur choice. You can also echo more commands into an existing file. echo 'This text' > this_file creates the file new, echo 'This text' >> this_file creates this_file if it doesn't exist, appends to it if it does.
[12:15] <BTR> is kde the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[12:15] <stdin> BTR: yes
[12:15] <foob> pretty big difference though :P
[12:15] <stdin> true
[12:16] <endo602> what will open the konsole
[12:16] <BTR> isnt it just a different gui?
[12:16] <foob> different applications
[12:16] <murchadh_bhaba> endo602: What are your details, and we'll write the script. Where are you cd'ing to and what are you executing when there?
[12:16] <Oscar__> BTR: More or less.
[12:16] <genii> endo602 Wow, that is surprisingly harder than it seems for some reason. Even using something like "konsole /myshellfilehere.sh" seems no good for some reason
[12:16] <stdin> tho, you can install gnome apps on kde, and vice verse
[12:17] <foob> in my opinion better applications in kde
[12:17] <endo602> that is weird
[12:17] <BTR> ohh, i see.. is there any where i can read about the differences between kde and gnome?
[12:17] <murchadh_bhaba> endo602: aterm or xterm (with --geometry aaaxbbb)
[12:17] <desync> btr: i've searched around and there isn't any useful comparisons
[12:17] <foob> and for some reason i'm finding kubuntu edgy more stable than gnome dapper
[12:18] <endo602> thanks
[12:18] <endo602> brb
[12:18] <desync> lot's of screen shots around but no non biased reviews
[12:18] <BTR> edgy is that the brand new version?
[12:18] <foob> 6.10
[12:18] <desync> feisty is the beta
[12:18] <foob> but as with all debian systems, the 'testing' version is more useable than the 'stable' heh
[12:18] <Oscar__> BTR: There aren't that many. It's more a question of taste. Some say KDE is more powerful, and thus cluttered. KDE is rumoured to be the "engineers desktop".
[12:19] <Theory> both are free, so you can try both and see which you like better
[12:19] <Theory> liveCDs are good for this
[12:19] <foob> yeah
[12:19] <BTR> Is it possibly to upgrade to feisty in apt?
[12:19] <aseigo> the engineers desktop. heh. nice backhanded compliment.
[12:20] <foob> there definitely isn't a true 'better', i find kde/qt way better after using gnome but my one friend swears by gnome/gtk
[12:20] <Oscar__> desync: I just tested feisty. The thing they've done with the startup scripts are great. =)
[12:21] <Oscar__> aseigo: How so?
[12:22] <desync> oscar: is it more user friendly? after switching from slack edgy's startup is ass backwards :P
[12:22] <aseigo> Oscar__: it's the same old implications i've heard for years about it being for power users blahblahblah ... and then one walks out into the real world and finds that a lot of kde's users are very basic, entry-level type users
[12:23] <aseigo> Oscar__: it's great that it works well for engineers, which it does ime. but that often gets used as a polite way of saying "not for everyone else"
[12:23] <BTR> I have the Dapper version, how do i upgrade to either  feisty or edgy?
[12:23] <stdin> !upgrade
[12:23] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[12:23] <Theory> KDE is certainly very usable by "unpower" users
[12:23] <stdin> feisty is still under development, so isn't recommended yet
[12:24] <endo602> back
[12:24] <endo602> sorry
[12:24] <aseigo> BTR: i recommend doing one version at a time regardless..
[12:24] <Theory> I've found they tend to find it easier if you take a hatchet to the toolbars though
[12:24] <Oscar__> aseigo: Yeah, I know what you mean. I wasn't trying to exclude ppl. I prefer KDE too but some say it takes too much time to configure. To each his own I guess.
[12:24] <foob> software changes so much it's odd that people will use 5 year old arguments on it
[12:24] <_ubuntu> isn't there some way to install kubuntu from the live cd?
[12:25] <foob> yup click 'install' :P
[12:25] <Theory> icon on the desktop :-)
[12:25] <_ubuntu> o.O
[12:25] <Oscar__> desync: Having relations between the services are the correct way of doing it imho. And it's similar enough to the "old ways" to not scare off oldtimers.
[12:25] <_ubuntu> there is no install icon on my desktop
[12:25] <_ubuntu> no icons at all
[12:25] <stdin> _ubuntu: what version of the live CD do you have?
[12:25] <Theory> which livecd are you using?
[12:25] <_ubuntu> kubuntu
[12:25] <_ubuntu> uh
[12:25] <_ubuntu> i dunno what version
[12:26] <stdin> _ubuntu: is it from shipit, or download?
[12:26] <_ubuntu> download
[12:26] <endo602> genii,  any clue?
[12:27] <endo602> murchadh_bhaba, sent you a pm
[12:27] <genii> endo I've tried some variations like echoing the command into konsole, and some other stuff but no go yet. I'm puzzled frankly
[12:27] <stdin> Kaelesd:  open konsole (K-Menu, system, konsole), and type in: lsb_release -r
[12:27] <Kaelesd> 5.10
[12:27] <nixternal> alt+space then type konsole :)
[12:28] <desync> oscar: nothing wrong with it, just takes some getting used to after running slack systems off and on for the past dozen years
[12:28] <stdin> Kaelesd:  that's quite an old version
[12:28] <Kaelesd> yea, i noticed
[12:28] <nixternal> heh, then nevermind katapult :)
[12:28] <Kaelesd> :|
[12:28] <stdin> don't think you can install from the live cd with that version
[12:28] <Kaelesd> i just didn't want to take the time to download it
[12:28] <Kaelesd> :| yay
[12:29] <Oscar__> desync: Havent used slack for ten years or so. How's the boot sequence there? Just the old symlinked version?
[12:29] <stdin> Kaelesd:  if you want to install it, get the 6.06.1 or 6.10 version
[12:29] <Kaelesd> oh well, thanks for the help
[12:29] <genii> endo602 It eithe just opens konsole with no command or output from the command, or opens Konsole with some strage errors etc
[12:29] <Kaelesd> yea i figured so
[12:29] <Kaelesd> :P
[12:29] <Kaelesd> see ya
[12:29] <stdin> see ya
[12:30] <endo602> hmm
[12:30] <endo602> ill look for something on google
[12:30] <vbgunz> kwallet is retarded :(
[12:30] <stdin> genii: run: khelpcenter help:/konsole/command-line-options.html
[12:30] <stdin> it says to open a command use, konsole -e command
[12:31] <desync> oscar: hasn't really changed since 3.x when I picked it up, but I think things are going to be changing in the next year or so
[12:31] <desync> there's been 0 updates since 11 was released in november
[12:31] <BTR> when i try tu use "gksu "update-manager -c" in terminal, to upgrade to edgy, i get the gksu: command not found - what do i do?
[12:31] <stdin> BTR: 1st you'll need to install update-manager, then replace gksu with kdesu
[12:31] <Oscar__> desync: so they use symlinks from runlevel-directories then?
[12:31] <desync> i guess they're finally upgrade glibc/gcc again
[12:32] <vbgunz> Does KDE have the following desktop commands hidden somewhere? "split vertical", "split horizontal"?
[12:33] <genii> Interesting. Except    konsole -e 'lcd / && ls -ld *`   for instance seems to produce no result
[12:33] <desync> a script for each runlevel rc.0, rc.1..... etc and then a script for networking, modules, services etc
[12:33] <desync> brb
[12:33] <genii> cd  not lcd
[12:33] <Oscar__> vbgunz: Not that I know of. But then I don't understand what it's supposed to do.
[12:34] <xenol> !restricted formats
[12:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:34] <Oscar__> desync: ah.
[12:34] <vbgunz> Oscar__, the way it manipulates windows on the desktop sort of like Cascade and unclutter... split vertical splits all windows evenly vertically
[12:34] <stdin> genii: maybe if the commands were in a script?
[12:34] <vbgunz> etc
[12:34] <BTR> stdin: Now i get '<Command> missing'
[12:35] <genii> stdin Hangon I forgot to keep open the window after execution LOL
[12:35] <endo602> what is a dcop script?
[12:35] <endo602> can i use that?
[12:36] <murchadh_bhaba> endo602: Can you see my pm reply?
[12:36] <BTR> Why doesnt this work? "kdesu "update-manager" -c"?
[12:36] <endo602> yes
[12:37] <stdin> BTR: use: kdesu "update-manager -c"
[12:38] <intelikey> hmmmm what provides that script stdin ?
[12:38] <Jucato> stdin: kubuntu doesn't have update-manager installed
[12:38] <stdin> intelikey: update-manager?
[12:38] <BTR> thank you stdin
[12:38] <intelikey> stdin yes
[12:39] <stdin> intelikey: it's an ubutnu app, but it's works with kubuntu too
[12:39] <stdin> Jucato: I know, he installed it
[12:39] <Jucato> oh :)
[12:39] <intelikey> stdin ok.  but what provides it ?
[12:39] <stdin> intelikey: sudo apt-get install update-manager
[12:39] <stdin> :)
[12:40] <intelikey> ah it is it's own package   ok
[12:40] <stdin> yeah
[12:40] <xenol> with which program can i work with images and virtual drives in kubuntu? plz any advice
[12:40] <genii> endo602 OK finally got it:    for a launcher command:     konsole --noclose -e /shell/filename.sh
[12:41] <Oscar__> !update-manager
[12:41] <ubotu> update-manager: GNOME application that manages apt updates. In component main, is optional. Version 0.45 (edgy), package size 775 kB, installed size 3652 kB
[12:41] <intelikey> hmmmm update manager depends on some things.....
[12:42] <intelikey> docbook-xml gconf2 gconf2-common launchpad-integration libgconf2-4 libglade2-0 libidl0 liblaunchpad-integration0 liborbit2 libscrollkeeper0 libvte-common libvte4 lsb-release python-apt python-glade2 python-gnupginterface python2.4-apt python2.4-cairo python2.4-glade2 python2.4-gobject python2.4-gtk2 python2.4-numeric scrollkeeper sgml-data synaptic unattended-upgrades update-manager xml-core
[12:42] <genii> xenol Like iso images etc?
[12:42] <intelikey> will be installed if i install update-manager
[12:42] <stdin> it's a part of synaptic, I think, and it's a GTK app, so it depends on all that stuff too
[12:42] <stdin> but, IMO, it's better than adept
[12:43] <intelikey> yeah that's a list of what i don't have that it wants.... but isn't going to get   hehhe
[12:43] <xenol> genii: yup
[12:43] <stdin> xenol: mount will do that
[12:43] <BTR> stdin: When i try to update to edgy, i get a bunc of errors in the console: http://pastebin.ca/301725
[12:44] <genii> xenol If you just want to look at the contents you can just lop-mount iso files  eg:   mount -t iso9660 -o loop /my/iofile.iso  /mnt/mountdirectory
[12:44] <stdin> !iso
[12:44] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[12:44] <genii> loop-mount
[12:44] <killermach> I type "make" and nothing happens.. "command not found"  any hints?
[12:44] <xenol> genii: and wat is MD5 used?
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> killermach: have you installed build-essential?
[12:45] <stdin> !md5
[12:45] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[12:45] <intelikey> !b-e | killermach
[12:45] <ubotu> killermach: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:45] <killermach> Daisuke_Ido: nope.. I've never needed to install anything extra on a linux system to compile
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> killermach: well on kubuntu you do
[12:46] <intelikey> killermach welcome to *buntu
[12:46] <genii> xenol You somehow want to modify the iso contents and then generate some new md5 sum or something?
[12:46] <killermach> Daisuke_Ido: build-essential looks like what I need :)
[12:46] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be it :)
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> !repositories
[12:47] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> damn
[12:47] <stdin> BTR: hmm, I don't know, you could follow the instructions to manually update here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> oops :(
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> sorry, bad word
[12:47] <xenol> genii: no in general wat for is md5 sum used for? some kind of protection,
[12:47] <intelikey> killermach don't expect default *buntu to be normal.  it breaks all the rules
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> xenol: to verify that two files are identical
[12:48] <stdin> xenol: it makes sure the file you downloaded is OK, ie, not corrupted
[12:48] <genii> xenol No. It is a method of checksum so that ... what Ido just said :)
[12:48] <xenol> genii: thx mounted it now
[12:48] <Daisuke_Ido> what was the site for building a custom sources.list?
[12:49] <xenol> !source-o-matic
[12:49] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:49] <xenol> that one
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the one.
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> thanks
[12:49] <killermach> intelikey: I'm finding that.. but I'm testing it for a generic user person type
[12:49] <BTR> When i try to update to edgy, i get a bunc of errors in the console: http://pastebin.ca/301725 - how do i then update to edgy?
[12:49] <intelikey> xenol in general.  yes some kind of protection.  protects you from trying to install packages or use iso images that are incomplete or have been added too
[12:50] <genii> I will not be directly at this computer but will be around. If someone else starts talking on this name don't be surprised :)
[12:50] <genii> (semi-public lab)
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, shoot. The sources.list generator is undergoing maintenance. Please don't use
[12:50] <stdin> BTR: follow the instructions to manually update here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> oh well, i'll still need it in an hour
[12:51] <solitarybit> I am trying to follow the DRI instructions on Ubuntu forums http://tinyurl.com/y9f49e but the script always fails, saying it can't find the kernal headers (though adept says that they are installed)
[12:51] <killermach> Daisuke_Ido: now I'm missing kernel headers for a driver build... what do I need
[12:51] <intelikey> xenol not protection in the sense of encription  but in the sense of a quick beanch mark type test for the dl'd file.     a yard stick for dl's
[12:51] <Stalk3r> anyone know why I can't install wine on kubuntu dapper drake?
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[12:52] <xenol> intelikey: i understand now thx
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> that's an issue i haven't had
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> !headers
[12:52] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> neat.  it worked :)
[12:52] <Stalk3r> heh
[12:52] <stdin> it's the all knowing bot :P
[12:52] <intelikey> killermach install linux-headers
[12:53] <intelikey> oh the bot beat me....   sorry.
[12:53] <forzen> who can help me ?
[12:53] <foob> how do you send files via scp/sftp via kde? nautilus has a built in scp thing but i dont see it in konq
[12:53] <forzen> i can't install kubuntu
[12:53] <intelikey> forzen why not ?
[12:53] <killermach> intelikey: no wonder I cannot  find it in synaptic.. it's not "kernel-headers"
[12:53] <forzen> i have a error message
[12:53] <forzen> install crashed
[12:54] <forzen> installer crashed
[12:54] <stdin> foob: i think it's fish:// not scp:// in konq
[12:54] <forzen> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:54] <forzen>   File "/usr/bin/ubiquity", line 166, in ?
[12:54] <foob> fish? :/
[12:54] <stdin> foob: yep, I know, it's strange, but it works here
[12:55] <Skrot> !nvidia
[12:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:55] <Jucato> fish:/ or sftp:/
[12:55] <stdin> same thing isn't it?
[12:55] <intelikey> forzen is that the liveCD ?
[12:55] <Jucato> there's a difference, I just don't understand what...
[12:55] <Jucato> :P
[12:55] <foob> man i love kubuntu, best deskto i ever had
[12:55] <stdin> :P
[12:55] <forzen> intelikey:  yes
[12:56] <foob> makes a man wonder how ms can get away with charging for their POSOS, sigh
[12:56] <intelikey> forzen can you try the 'alternate install CD' ?
[12:56] <Stalk3r> !wine
[12:56] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:57] <forzen> no
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> foob: really just a matter of thinking about things differently
[12:57] <xenol> do i need fonts from windows?
[12:57] <stdin> forzen: why not?
[12:58] <Daisuke_Ido> xenol: need?  no.  but if it will make you feel better.
[12:58] <genii> Has anyone tried to run Enlightenment on ubuntu yet? Mainly curious
[12:58] <forzen> because i don't want the alternate install cd
[12:58] <jager> sure seems to run fine
[12:58] <foob> they say MS windows is easier, but not really, i took me a good 5 years to research and try out enough different 3rd party apps to finally put together a great desktop with it. whereas with *ubuntu, it either comes with great software or you can find it quick in the respositories
[12:58] <xenol> Daisuke_Ido: well IDK if i need them
[12:59] <intelikey> forzen why not ?
[12:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i can't think of any reason you would
[12:59] <forzen> i want graphic mode
[12:59] <Daisuke_Ido> foob: that's what helped me, the repository
[12:59] <Daisuke_Ido> okay...
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> there are atill a couple things for which i use wine
[01:00] <hatta> it's good for making pan sauces
[01:00] <mildner> anybody using a treo?
[01:00] <Stalk3r> lol
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> one is mp3 tagging, there's nothing i've found native to linux that can do what i need easily (and please don't say easytag or cowbell)
[01:00] <intelikey> forzen you like the crash pron hard coded cantankerous installer that wont work for you....   so you can see how sorry *buntu really is and hate it as much as i do.   rather than using an installer that will probably work....    hmmm oh well
[01:00] <Stalk3r> thanks for all the help!
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> that's pretty nice
[01:01] <forzen> intelikey:  i don't understand sorry
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> and the other one...  a few games.
[01:01] <intelikey> i don't either.
[01:02] <Stalk3r> hmm
[01:02] <foob> fish:// and sft:// dont seem to do anythin in konq
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm hoping for linux ports of the myst series and for wine to work with The Longest Journey
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> other than that, i'm happy
[01:02] <stdin> forzen: id the graphical installer won't work, the only other option is the alternate installer
[01:02] <stdin> *if
[01:02] <intelikey> forzen try the alternate install CD   you can install kubuntu from there just as easy as from the liveCD    well in cases like yours where it's not working, probably much easer than the live.
[01:03] <Stalk3r> heh
[01:04] <intelikey> or just forget it and say that jerk intelikey pissed me off and i don't like *buntu.     :)
[01:04] <Stalk3r> hrm
[01:04] <Stalk3r> Adept still won't install wine and I enabled all the repositories
[01:05] <intelikey> murchadh_bhaba: heh
[01:05] <stdin> Stalk3r: try from the command line to see if there are any errors
[01:05] <Stalk3r> I'm not conversant with the command line
[01:05] <stdin> Stalk3r: just type: sudo apt-get install wine
[01:06] <murchadh_bhaba> Stalk3r: Are you getting any particular errors?
[01:06] <intelikey> murchadh_bhaba: i didn't even want to start into a discription of how to install from the live without the installer....
[01:06] <forzen> euh
[01:06] <murchadh_bhaba> intelikey: hehe
[01:07] <Stalk3r> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail                    able)
[01:07] <Stalk3r> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc                    ess using it?
[01:08] <stdin> Stalk3r: you have to close adept first
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <Stalk3r> lol
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <forzen> ok
[01:08] <intelikey> ok
[01:08] <stdin> well, ok
[01:10] <murchadh_bhaba> Things are way more OK here than on #ubuntu if you go by word search occurences of the word ok!
[01:10] <intelikey> lol
[01:10] <intelikey> i bet that's right
[01:10] <murchadh_bhaba> intelikey: It is now... hehe!
[01:11] <murchadh_bhaba> Did endo602 get that script to run?
[01:11] <draggho_> join 7thguard
[01:11] <draggho_> sh..t, to late, sorry guys
[01:11] <xenol> !ok
[01:11] <draggho_> ;)
[01:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ok - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:11] <intelikey> /
[01:12] <Stalk3r> r http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe wine 0.9.9-0ubuntu2
[01:12] <Stalk3r>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out
[01:12] <genii> murchadh_bhaba I image so, it worked OK for me in the last syntax I gave
[01:12] <stdin> looks like a DNS problam
[01:12] <intelikey> <IP_ADDRESS> ????
[01:12] <genii> *imagine*
[01:13] <Stalk3r> firefox went tits-up last night, too
[01:13] <genii> That is one messed up IP
[01:13] <Stalk3r> and I can't get any connection with kmud unless I use an IP address
[01:13] <Stalk3r> yeah, I disabled it and deleted the shortcuts to it
[01:13] <hilltop_> hi firephoto
[01:13] <intelikey> NetRange:   <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:13] <intelikey> CIDR:       <IP_ADDRESS>/8
[01:13] <intelikey> NetName:    RESERVED-9
[01:14] <firephoto> hilltop_: hi, did you ever get your dvd burned?
[01:15] <Stalk3r> what can I do to find out what my DNS problem is?
[01:15] <NotWired> okay, so i upgraded one of my machines to edgy from dapper over the weekend and ever since i've been having issues with kdm or X crashing; anyone have any ideas?
[01:15] <murchadh_bhaba> genii: Cool. ?-)
[01:15] <Stalk3r> !DNS
[01:15] <intelikey> me wonders how hard he will have to try to get in trubble playing with that ip...   --- <IP_ADDRESS> ping statistics ---
[01:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about DNS - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:15] <intelikey> 12 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 11013ms
[01:15] <hilltop_> firephoto, I gave up after 3 tries each with two DVDs, kept getting read errors even tho md5sum checked the iso file as OK. It always failed in verify.
[01:15] <stdin> you DNS servers are stored in /etc/resolv.conf
[01:15] <stdin> make sure they exist
[01:15] <intelikey> and work
[01:15] <genii> Stalk3r <IP_ADDRESS> is the IP for that repo in case you need it for the moment
[01:16] <genii> Stalk3r You on cable/DSL/dialup?
[01:17] <intelikey> genii it is ?
[01:17] <intelikey> that's a .gov addy
[01:17] <Jucato> ryanakca: are you there?
[01:18] <genii> Yeah it is a gov but "ping us.archive.ubuntu.com" and see for yourself the IP
[01:18] <ryanakca> Jucato: yep
[01:18] <hilltop_> firephoto, I might just try to boot them anyway later. :/
[01:18] <stdin> us.archive.ubuntu.com is an alias for mirror.mcs.anl.gov
[01:18] <Jucato> ryanakca: I installed doc-linux-html....silly question... where can I read them? :P
[01:19] <ryanakca> Jucato: point your browser to /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/ ...
[01:19] <Jucato> ryanakca: ah I thought so... that's the only way? can't view from KHelpCenter?
[01:19] <ryanakca> Jucato: if you want to see a list of all the howtos, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/(your lang)/index.html
[01:19] <ryanakca> Jucato: no... I'm going to add something for it later on.. if I can figure out how...
[01:19] <Jucato> ryanakca: heh good luck! and thanks! :)
[01:20] <genii> Stalk3r What I'm trying to determine is if your computer is directly connected out thru say cable etc or behind some router which should be assigning sane internal LAN # etc
[01:20] <ryanakca> Jucato: np
[01:20] <siv0x> can anyone walk me through partitioning my hard drive so i can duel boot windows and linux ?
[01:20] <genii> my guess is cable connection
[01:20] <ryanakca> Jucato: if you want to test the patch I'm 3/4s done, be my guest
[01:20] <Stalk3r> dsl, I'm behind a linksys router which is connected to the DSL router
[01:21] <intelikey> <IP_ADDRESS>    OrgName:    Argonne National Laboratory      pingd to  alpaca-i.it.anl.gov <IP_ADDRESS> all right.   hmmmm
[01:21] <we6jbo> hi
[01:21] <Jucato> ryanakca: is that for feisty? I'm still on edgy...
[01:21] <we6jbo> I have a question
[01:21] <Stalk3r> so I'm a dynamic behind <IP_ADDRESS> which is behind <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:21] <ryanakca> Jucato: should work for both...
[01:21] <ryanakca> Jucato: it's just for the directory layout...
[01:21] <Stalk3r> sorry, I'm in other windows and kids' homework all at the same time
[01:21] <Jucato> ah
[01:21] <NotWired> okay, so i upgraded one of my machines to edgy from dapper over the weekend and ever since i've been having issues with kdm or X crashing; anyone have any ideas?
[01:21] <genii> Stalk3r Ah OK. So that explains perhaps why DNS info is not making it thru the 2 hops
[01:22] <Jucato> what a mess...
[01:22] <ryanakca> Jucato: I can make a patch feisty to edgy as well if you want...
[01:22] <ryanakca> Jucato: yep :)
[01:22] <ryanakca> Jucato: and it links out....
[01:22] <windwalker> siv0x, I am a newbie just like you but I can give you some basic directions. I have a dual boot system.
[01:22] <Jucato> ryanakca: I can wait for the feisty one. I have it on vmware
[01:23] <stdin> we6jbo: you can ask your question
[01:23] <siv0x> windwalker: lol i know how to do it (on windows) but i'm on linux right now, and i'm really bad at partitioning when it comes to linux =\
[01:23] <we6jbo> I'm trying to find out what hardware supports linux
[01:23] <windwalker> siv0x, np I have a little experience
[01:23] <windwalker> Do you know which fis you wish to use?
[01:23] <windwalker> fs I mean siv0x
[01:24] <stdin> we6jbo: most hardware will work
[01:24] <genii> Stalk3r For the time being you could just make a static entry in /etc/networking/interfaces for eth0 (or what one you're using) with fixed internal IP and default-router entry
[01:24] <intelikey> !hardware
[01:24] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[01:24] <intelikey> we6jbo ^
[01:24] <stdin> intelikey: was just gonna find that link :P
[01:24] <windwalker> I have used reiserfs with (K)ubuntu,siv0x
[01:24] <andreasw> !de
[01:24] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:24] <genii> If eth1 or higher connected explains why no auto IP also...no default entry usually for it
[01:24] <siv0x> windwalker: fis?
[01:24] <windwalker> I have ext3 on Slackware, but I prefer reiserfs, siv0x
[01:24] <Stalk3r> oh, so set a static internal IP?
[01:25] <Stalk3r> no, it's eth0
[01:25] <windwalker> siv0x, I wanted to say FileSystem FS
[01:25] <siv0x> windwalker: all i want to do is resize my linux partition and make an NTFS type partition. and use grub to duel boot.
[01:25] <genii> Stalk3r Well, if you need to install a bunch of stuff right now etc, it is a fast way to get everything working at least for the moment
[01:25] <windwalker> siv0x, so you already have linux installed, right?
[01:26] <Stalk3r> well, last night adept was working fine
[01:26] <foob> and now it's inept?
[01:26] <siv0x> windwalker: yes
[01:26] <Stalk3r> I haven't tried to install anything but wine today
[01:26] <siv0x> windwalker: i'm using it right now.
[01:26] <windwalker> which FS are you using?
[01:26] <intelikey> unapt
[01:26] <siv0x> windwalker: ext3
[01:27] <stdin> siv0x: you can use the GParted Live CD to repartition http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[01:27] <windwalker> stdin, isn't there any need for defragmentation or something?
[01:28] <murchadh_bhaba> !fixapt
[01:28] <stdin> windwalker: with ext3, no
[01:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:28] <windwalker> stdin, what about reiserfs?
[01:28] <siv0x> stdin: i cant used gparted on here, without having to get a livecd?
[01:28] <genii> Stalk3r Maybe do a   /etc/init.d/networking restart      if the box is perhaps slow getting a # from the router. You will disconnect temporarily of course but then maybe ifconfig will show some sane number not some weird one like <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:28] <xenol> can Ark work with rar files?
[01:29] <stdin> windwalker: not sure, but I don't think you have to defrag with ext3 or reiserfs, due to the way they store data
[01:29] <siv0x> stdin: if i could get alsa-oss emulator setup, i wouldnt need to make a partition : (
[01:29] <Stalk3r> ok, I"ll try that
[01:29] <windwalker> siv0x, what is your multimedia card?
[01:30] <stdin> siv0x: the reason I say use a live cd is, you need the disk not to be accessed when partitioning, so I can't be mounted
[01:30] <Stalk3r> oh crap
[01:30] <Stalk3r> how do you stop a ping?
[01:30] <genii> ctrl-C
[01:30] <xenol> how can i unrar rar archive someone plz
[01:30] <Stalk3r> thansk
[01:30] <xenol> can ark do it?
[01:30] <siv0x> windwalker: you mean what is my sound card? its an audigy 2 zs. what i'm trying to do is use wine to run counter strike source.. and to get sound in cs:s i need to use OSS.
[01:31] <siv0x> stdin: yes.. makes since.
[01:31] <stdin> you can use 'sudo ifup --force <interface>' if you don't want to disconnect from the net, Stalk3r
[01:31] <windwalker> siv0x, so it is a wine problem, not alsa'a, right?
[01:31] <intelikey> ^C
[01:31] <intelikey> ^C
[01:31] <intelikey> ^C
[01:32] <siv0x> windwalker: eh, kinda, but i have to get alsas oss emulator working. for the app to work. so the app can use OSS, or think it is using oss anyways.
[01:32] <intelikey> !rar | xenol
[01:32] <ubotu> xenol: rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[01:32] <xenol> !info unrar-free
[01:33] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[01:33] <stdin> !unrar
[01:33] <ubotu> unrar is rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression  There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[01:33] <intelikey> !info unrar-free dapper
[01:33] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1-2 (dapper), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB
[01:33] <windwalker> siv0x, You are probly much more experienced than me, but there are differenced from version to version of wine.
[01:33] <stdin> ahh, there is the unrar package too
[01:34] <siv0x> windwalker: i have the latest version of wine.
[01:34] <intelikey> new wine ?
[01:34] <windwalker> siv0x, I have used almost every version since 0.9.9 till 0.9.28 and they differ much
[01:34] <genii> It escapes me why anyone still uses rar
[01:34] <siv0x> stdin: will i have to edit anything in grub, so that it will boot windows correctly?
[01:34] <windwalker> siv0x. Currently I am using 0.9.18 for some of my apps due to better compatibility, but this has nothing to do with sound :(
[01:35] <intelikey> ewh
[01:35] <genii> intelikey heh :) smart aleck
[01:35] <windwalker> siv0x if you install windows over linux grub will die
[01:35] <intelikey> some often maybe
[01:35] <siv0x> windwalker: any chance you use WINE to run steam?
[01:35] <siv0x> windwalker: so how will i need to install grub ?
[01:35] <stdin> siv0x: if you install windows, yes, and if you don't make the ntfs partition at the end of the drive yes, you'll also have to edit /etc/fstab
[01:36] <windwalker> siv0x, I have run only Heroses III and some basic games with wine
[01:36] <HymnToLife> !grub | siv0x
[01:36] <ubotu> siv0x: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:36] <windwalker> grub-install, siv0x
[01:36] <intelikey> but yeah genii i don't understand why people support unfree software
[01:36] <intelikey> it ooozes out of me also
[01:36] <genii> I wasa able to run Civ 3 but not civ 4 on wine
[01:36] <HymnToLife> who needs WINE when you have OpenArena and a native NWN build ?
[01:36] <windwalker> but you have to edit by hand the boot menu
[01:37] <siv0x> windwalker: so you didnt have to setup alsas oss emulator, how did you get sound?
[01:37] <windwalker> another option which I used was to copy the bootsector of the linux partition and use the ntldr, siv0x
[01:37] <genii> intelikey Yes, I am a large supporter of open source firstly then at least free software secondly :) Then of course shareware, far down nagware then the harrassment-ware eg:windoze
[01:37] <gopp> what app in kde do I use to watch tv via my tv tunner card
[01:37] <gopp> !tv
[01:37] <siv0x> stdin: so theres no way of getting out of messing with grub?
[01:37] <windwalker> siv0x, I did not touch any wine config files for the sound it just worked out of the box
[01:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:38] <Kr4t05> Okay... Say I want to backup around 13GB of files, but I want to be able to squeeze it done reasonably. What's the best compression format to use?
[01:38] <intelikey> M$ harrassment-ware Windows *     hehhe
[01:38] <gopp> !tvtunner
[01:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tvtunner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:38] <stdin> siv0x: you'll have to add windows to grub anyway, unless grub-install detects it and adds an entry
[01:38] <windwalker> siv0x, I tested it with ymf724 and wine 0.9.9
[01:39] <intelikey> !vidio
[01:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vidio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:39] <windwalker> stdin, I did not know grub-install could do this automatically.
[01:39] <genii> windwalker, nice Yamaha card :)
[01:39] <windwalker> I have a 744 too

[01:39] <stdin> windwalker: sometimes it works, sometimes not :P
[01:39] <we6jbo> Does anyone use AW9D-MAX motherboard running Ubuntu?
[01:40] <windwalker> siv0x it rocks also, but cannot be used with earphones
[01:40] <siv0x> windwalker: hehe
[01:40] <intelikey> !tv-out
[01:40] <ubotu> For help with enabling the TV-Out on certain NVidia cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOutNewbieEdition
[01:40] <intelikey> i knew there was one.....
[01:40] <genii> !v4l
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about v4l - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <genii> bah'
[01:40] <tony_> i have this problme with java5 .. is not installing , nor i can apply the upgrade .
[01:41] <stdin> dumb bot
[01:41] <tony_> i keep getting to licence agrement
[01:41] <windwalker> Anyway it is 3 a.m. and the only reason for me to be awake is to say a big THANK YOU to the creators and the users of (K)ubuntu. I just managed to resolve my 1 week problem!
[01:41] <Kr4t05> intelikey: I find it much easier to use nvidia-settings to generate an xorg.conf for my TV, then save it as xorg.conf.tv and rename it when I want to use a tv. :)
[01:41] <genii> stdin you'd think v4l would have SOME result
[01:41] <windwalker> This would never happen with window$
[01:41] <stdin> genii: i know :p
[01:41] <siv0x> windwalker: I think i might just install windows back, atleast intill they develop an easier way to play windows games on linux, im a big time gamer, though, i love linux, they just dont work well together :\
[01:41] <genii> !video4linux
[01:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about video4linux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <windwalker> siv0x, I had a team of four in CS 1.6
[01:42] <intelikey> tony_  did you try#  sudo apt-get install -f sun-java5-jre  ?
[01:42] <windwalker> we rocked ,siv0x ;)
[01:42] <stdin> !anything
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <tony_> yes. and i get the same problme
[01:42] <siv0x> windwalker: ex cal m here :D
[01:42] <windwalker> but my time went away for this kind of stuff, siv0x
[01:42] <stdin> see, it knows nothing
[01:42] <Kr4t05> siv0x: If yo u want to game, just dual boot. Keep Windows coralled to a small 80GB partiton and let Linux run rampant on the rest of your disc. (Assuming you have a good amount of hard drive.)
[01:42] <genii> about nothing LOL
[01:42] <tony_> i just got the security update. and java was part of the update. now adapt got stuck in that licence part
[01:42] <windwalker> siv0x, try all version since 0.9.9
[01:42] <crimson> does ktorrent support rss?
[01:42] <intelikey> !thanks | stdin
[01:42] <ubotu> stdin: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[01:43] <Kr4t05> siv0x: I regularly reboot into Windows for some GTA:SA or Halo CE. ;)
[01:43] <windwalker> I can give you the download site if you wish siv0x
[01:43] <stdin> !shutup
[01:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shutup - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:43] <intelikey> !botabuse | stdin
[01:43] <ubotu> stdin: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[01:43] <siv0x> kr4t05: eh, yeah, i've done it before but, i ended up going back to windows.
[01:43] <stdin> time for some /msg fun :)
[01:43] <siv0x> windwalker: naw thats okay.
[01:43] <genii> afk a bit ... have fun with the ubotu stdin LOL
[01:44] <Kr4t05> siv0x: But, nothing beats the real games like Doom 3, Quake 4, and BZFlag. :)
[01:44] <stdin> intelikey: was just gonna do that /msg thing
[01:44] <siv0x> Kr4t05: true. :)
[01:44] <intelikey>
[01:45] <siv0x> windwalker: do you still play any steam games? - if so i'll add you to steam friends. and we'll talk there sometime in the future.
[01:45] <Kr4t05> Ok, I need a good tag editor.
[01:46] <windwalker> siv0x, I am playing only CS 1.6 with my friends in my internet cafe. I prefer peer dedicated, becuase I hate Laaaaag
[01:46] <windwalker> siv0x, you know it is not fair ;)
[01:46] <siv0x> windwalker: haha
[01:46] <siv0x> windwalker: ic. thats cool
[01:47] <windwalker> siv0x, probably you don't know but all version prior to 1.6 were server dependent.
[01:47] <siv0x> windwalker: didnt know.
[01:47] <windwalker> siv0x, the server player was 1.3 time better in reactions as compared to clients
[01:47] <siv0x> windwalker: but i quit cs 1.6, a few months ago. started playing source. cs 1.6 is dying
[01:47] <windwalker> siv0x, I have only one lost game in 1vs1 due to this fact
[01:48] <windwalker> in the other millions of times I was the server lol...
[01:48] <siv0x> windwalker: heh
[01:49] <windwalker> siv0x, how much is the ping to your servers?
[01:49] <intelikey> tony_ you also read   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  ?
[01:49] <siv0x> windwalker: ehh, for me, they suck, but thats because my connection blows. but for my neighbor they are around 25 or so.
[01:49] <tony_> trying to open adapt. but it say there is another adapt is open , but it is not. how to kill what ever adapt that might be open ?
[01:50] <windwalker> siv0x, sound pretty good...I cannot find a better server than 50 in my region.
[01:50] <siv0x> windwalker: ouch.
[01:50] <intelikey> tony_  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:50] <tony_> i just want to get back to what ever my linux was, .. i don't want to install java, im getting tired of this linux
[01:50] <siv0x> windwalker: welp, back to my gaming.. nice chatting with you, add me to aim if you have it, Siv0xLeet
[01:51] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | tony_
[01:51] <ubotu> tony_: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[01:51] <intelikey> fuser like so lock this box
[01:52] <windwalker> tony_ : http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp
[01:52] <tony_> ihave winxp as a doul boot..
[01:52] <tony_> thanks. i got my adapt back
[01:53] <windwalker> tony_ just in case you decide for windows$$$
[01:53] <we6jbo> I have a question
[01:53] <crimson> does ktorrent support rss?
[01:53] <tony_> i ketp window because i use macromedia dreamweaver . thats all
[01:54] <we6jbo> Is Ubuntu a suse OS?
[01:54] <genii> no Debian
[01:54] <windwalker> tony_ www.winehw.org
[01:54] <tony_> java is set to upgradable .. how can i cancel those .. ? jave is the one that cusing the problmes
[01:54] <windwalker> tony_ www.winehq.org
[01:54] <murchadh_bhaba> I have no question. ',-(
[01:55] <windwalker> I am really sleeepy :()
[01:55] <tony_> yes. i seen that . DW 8 is not working with wine i guess. and it seems lots of stuff is not realy work well with wine
[01:56] <windwalker> tony_ 8.0 is working with 6.10
[01:56] <windwalker> chech the DB of wine
[01:57] <tony_> thanks. . i have to fix this damn java first. .lol.
[01:57] <tony_> im totaly pissed
[01:57] <tony_> god .
[01:58] <Jucato> tony_: install it through the command line. don't use Adept
[01:58] <tony_> i tried. is not installing
[01:58] <windwalker> don't be.....->http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp , tony_ ;)
[01:58] <tony_> it shows licence agrement and installation gets stuck there
[01:58] <windwalker> http://appdb.winehq.org/search.php?sSearchQuery=dreamwaver , tony_
[01:58] <Jucato> tony_: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin ? what error messages are you getting? (use pastebin)
[01:59] <Jucato> ugh.. gtg... bbl
[01:59] <tony_> is it java bin or java jre
[01:59] <tony_> ?
[01:59] <genii> crimson ktorrent > 2.0.3 has rss plugin     according to ktorrent.org
[02:00] <crimson> alright, thanks genii
[02:00] <tony_> message i get is blue sceen with java licence agrement , with ok button which is not clickable
[02:00] <Jucato> tony_: you can install either. they're dependent on each other so they'll both get installed
[02:00] <flyinghippo> Hello.  It seems that every time I leave a program running for too long, it vanishes.  I am wondering where they go, and how I can disable this feature.
[02:00] <Jucato> tony_: that's why I said
[02:00] <Jucato> "don't use Adept"
[02:01] <tony_> i did use the console for that. i still got the same licencing thing
[02:01] <Jucato> tony_: press Tab to get to the buttons
[02:01] <windwalker> Bye to all of you.
[02:02] <tony_> tried that , wont work
[02:02] <Jucato> (you usually don't click in the terminal... use Tab to navigate through options)
[02:02] <tony_> ok
[02:02] <tony_> worked now
[02:02] <tony_> i think
[02:03] <Jucato> it should work now
[02:03] <tony_> so dreamweaver 8 will work perfectly under linux if i use WINE ????????
[02:04] <tony_> Thanks guys. it worked. and update worked as well
[02:04] <tony_> ahhhhh. im sooooooooooooo happy now
[02:04] <Jucato> tony_: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3482
[02:05] <genii> To hell with codeweavers :)
[02:05] <tony_> is Wine is repo .???
[02:06] <tony_> or i have to downlaod and install manually ?
[02:06] <Ed_L`> hi, I've got a problem loading kubuntu with my PCI video card
[02:06] <Jucato> it's in the repos. but an older version
[02:06] <flyinghippo> Does anyone nkow how to prevent Kubuntu from closing out idling programs?  :\
[02:07] <tony_> thanks
[02:07] <Ed_L`> when I set it in bios to use my radeon 9250 PCI as the primary card, KDE doesn't load. It just sits there on a blank screen
[02:07] <Ed_L`> but setting it to use intel extreme graphics works. Which is a problem as I'd like to use dual screens :(
[02:07] <Ed_L`> can ahnybody help
[02:07] <Ed_L`> ?
[02:07] <genii> flyinghippo If you can find where they are being called from add a & after the programname, will daemonise (background) it
[02:09] <flyinghippo> I'm king of missing what you mean, genii.
[02:10] <tony_> how can i tell what vesion of kubuntu im using ?? i think im edgy
[02:10] <tony_> 6.10
[02:11] <apol> lsb_release -r
[02:11] <tony_> 6.10 so it is edgy
[02:11] <apol> exactly
[02:12] <tony_> thanks
[02:12] <apol> :)
[02:13] <genii> flyinghippo What program/s for instance are shutting down that you want to stay active?
[02:13] <flyinghippo> Gaim and XChat.
[02:15] <genii> Hmm never had a problem with Gaim shutting off before. Just disconnect/recoonect a lot on bad days
[02:17] <genii> flyinghippo At any rate the method I said earlier would be no good for those, more for something that needs to be running detached from a terminal etc.
[02:18] <xenol> !sources-o-matic
[02:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sources-o-matic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !source-o-matic
[02:18] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:18] <xenol> thx
[02:19] <tony_> has anyone installed limewire before ?
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> tony its not called limewire in Linux
[02:22] <Linux_Galore> good old azureus for me/ fast and simple
[02:23] <genii> tony_ There is something for linux called Frostwire
[02:23] <tony_> is it as good as limewire ???
[02:23] <tony_> there is limewire pro for linux . i converted to dep. and after installing it , is not lunching at all
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> tony yeah, its bittorent nd very mature
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> and*
[02:24] <tony_> thanks
[02:24] <tony_> is it in repo ?
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> tony use http://www.torrentspy.com/ to look for your torrents
[02:25] <Linux_Galore> tony yeah its in repo
[02:25] <tony_> i don't like torrrents, i find them way too slow
[02:25] <Linux_Galore> tony I get 400k/s
[02:25] <tony_> i have lime wire on my window and is fastest peer i seen
[02:25] <tony_> woow
[02:28] <slop_> anyone know how to disable the thing that makes my monitor go black after being idle for awhile?
[02:28] <ernz> Can someone please point me in the direction of a data recovery tool (to run on linux) that will let me scan an NTFS hard disk for deleted files. Quite urgent. Any help appreciated.
[02:28] <Linux_Galore> slop_: look in kcontrol
[02:29] <Linux_Galore> slop_: there is a time setting for the screen saver
[02:29] <slop_> Linux_Galore: ok, thanks
[02:29] <Linux_Galore> slop_: also your bios can often have a setting for it
[02:29] <slop_> aw man...i hope its not bios doing it....i can't restart right now
[02:31] <ernz> Someone please?
[02:32] <genii> gotta go for now back ~30   have fun
[02:32] <Linux_Galore> ernz: the problem with NTFS is its a proprietary file system and very poorly documented
[02:33] <slop_> Linux_Galore: it would be the power saving setting, right?  where it says 'Switch off monitor after: (its set to 45 minutes)'
[02:33] <Linux_Galore> ernz: have a look on www.google.com/linux
[02:33] <lupine_85> !info mondo edgy
[02:33] <ubotu> mondo: powerful disaster recovery suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.08-2-2 (edgy), package size 391 kB, installed size 1128 kB
[02:33] <ernz> Linux_Galore: I don't quite see what you are getting at.
[02:33] <lupine_85> that came up when I searched for ntfs in apt; might do the trick
[02:33] <lupine_85> ah. AND:
[02:34] <lupine_85> !info ntfsprogs edgy
[02:34] <ubotu> ntfsprogs: tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 1.12.1-1 (edgy), package size 205 kB, installed size 532 kB
[02:34] <Linux_Galore> ernz:  ok, create a program for NTFS when you have "no documentation" from Microsoft, you cant
[02:34] <lupine_85> ernz: includes ntfsundelete
[02:34] <lupine_85> which is exactly what you want :D
[02:34] <lupine_85> how safe it is, I don't know
[02:34] <ernz> lupine_85, much, much closer to what I am after, I am literally looking at that page right now.
[02:35] <Linux_Galore> ernz: you can get some free stuff but they may or may not work because Microsoft changes NTFS without much detail
[02:35] <lupine_85> ok :) you might want to make an image of the disc partition before you do any writes "just in case"
[02:35] <ernz> However, "	ntfsundelete cannot perform the impossible."
[02:35] <bobesponja> is there a way to check if I'm running on a amd64 or amd32?
[02:35] <lupine_85> (just dd if=/dev/<devicefile> of=/path/to/disc.img bs=1024)
[02:35] <lupine_85> bobesponja: uname -a should tell you
[02:36] <lupine_85> ernz: yeah, that's the same for all undelete tools
[02:36] <ernz> lupine_85: The disk was formatted (A quick format)
[02:36] <lupine_85> then you want ntfsunformat :/
[02:36] <lupine_85> which doesn't seem to exist
[02:36] <ernz> lmao
[02:37] <Linux_Galore> the people who created partition magic have a Linux tool set for working with ntfs, not free though
[02:37] <bobesponja> lupine_85: I've just installed a 32bit kubuntu on a laptop so it's running a 32 kernel, but is there a way to know if the processor is 64 or 32?
[02:37] <ernz> It looks like I may have to hook up a windows drive to a windows computer, see if I can use evil to fight evil.
[02:37] <lupine_85> bobesponja: try to boot a 64-bit live CD?
[02:37] <lupine_85> look at the documentation?
[02:38] <lupine_85> cat /proc/cpuinfo will give you all the info linux has about your CPU. nothing useful here (AMD)
[02:38] <lupine_85> for intel, you might get lucky
[02:38] <Linux_Galore> bobesponja: uname -a
[02:38] <Linux_Galore> bobesponja: if its amd64 it will say so
[02:39] <bobesponja> lupine_85: AMD Semron Processor 3200+
[02:39] <bobesponja> is that 64?
[02:39] <bobesponja> Sempron
[02:39] <Linux_Galore> bobesponja: that just tells you the cpu it doesnt tell you if your running in 64/32 bit mode
[02:39] <ernz> lupine_85: All I have to do now is get onto a Winblows box, find a torrent site riddled with spyware, malware, malicious scripts, viruses and then download an illegal torrent to an infected drive, run the buggy, slow application on it, recover a couple of files, let them be infected with w/e crap was just accidentally put on the system and bobs your uncle. Eh?
[02:40] <endo602> how do i make a script that opens konsole and does command?
[02:40] <lupine_85> bobesponja: the easiest way is to try the 64-bit live CD
[02:40] <lupine_85> the second easiest way is to read the manual
[02:40] <bobesponja> Linux_Galore: I know what mode I'm running on, I wanna know the cpu
[02:40] <james> how can i make sure that flash actually works with firefox? i've had issues with it crashing the browser in the past
[02:40] <lupine_85> the hardest way is to crack open your PC case, take off the CPU fan and look at the numbers on the cpu
[02:40] <mathieu> Hello
[02:41] <Linux_Galore> bobesponja: yeah  sysinfo -c   if you have it installed
[02:41] <mathieu> I need help starting video automatically (with mplayer) on my second screen
[02:41] <mathieu> i mean, what mplayer option can I use so the video starts fullscreen, in screen 2
[02:41] <ernz> bobesponja: your running Kubuntu or windows?
[02:41] <lupine_85> ernz: you could always write ntfsunformat yourself :)
[02:41] <bobesponja> ernz: kubuntu
[02:42] <Linux_Galore> sysinfo -c : [CPU]  2 x Pentium III (Coppermine) @
[02:42] <Linux_Galore>  931MHz (256 KB/1863.01 bogomips/4% load)
[02:42] <ernz> lupine_85: Why write something for a device formatted by a company that will soon be destroyed by the open source community?
[02:42] <Linux_Galore> hmm
[02:42] <lupine_85> ernz: good point
[02:42] <lupine_85> because you need it? :p
[02:43] <mathieu> also is there a way to use the xv driver, I see a blue screen i need to use the x11 (slow) driver to see anything
[02:43] <ernz> bobesponja: Sorry, I had an idea, but it's no use.
[02:44] <bobesponja> cool, my laptop just shutdown cause it thinks that the battery is empty although A it is full and B it is plugged
[02:44] <ernz> lupine_85: Sir, I put it to you that if I weren't using Windows in the first place, there wouldn't be a Windows formatted disk to try and recover.
[02:45] <james> ernz just made me lol a little bit
[02:47] <ernz> bobesponja: My HP does that, because there is a Windows application that retains the fact that the battery is empty when it hibernates. then when it's charged and woken up, it looks at the same config without refreshing, and shuts down again.
[02:48] <bobesponja> ernz: there is no windows on my laptop
[02:48] <ernz> HP Software on Windows OS on HP Hardware. Its like putting a outboard in a Lada and then taking it for a trip down the canal.
[02:49] <fox_> hey, im trying to install the opera broswer and im abit lost , any one able to help ?
[02:49] <ernz> bobesponja: Let me amend my metaphor: It's like putting a jet engine in a Lada and then driving off a cliff.
[02:49] <ernz> fox_: I can
[02:49] <bobesponja> ernz: I'm not following you
[02:50] <ernz> bobesponja: Me neither.
[02:50] <fox_> i just downloaded the package to my home directory , how do i go about installing it ?
[02:50] <Murrlin> good evening
[02:50] <ernz> What kind of package is it fox_?
[02:50] <Murrlin> I'm wondering what repository I can add that has mplayer in it?
[02:50] <fox_> i downloaded both the .deb and tar.gz
[02:51] <ernz> fox_ - Right click the deb, there there should be a package management context menu
[02:51] <endo602> does anyone know how to make in icon open up terminal and type in a command
[02:51] <ernz> That SHOULD expand to show an Install option?
[02:51] <ernz> fox_ I'm not entirely sure of that though, because I don't use Kubuntu, I did for a while and thats what I remember.
[02:51] <fox_> wow that was easy
[02:52] <fox_> which OS do you use now ?
[02:53] <ernz> fox_ Ubuntu I think.
[02:53] <Linux_Galore> fox_: with the .deb  you type  sudo  dpkg -i package_name.deb
[02:53] <fox_> just got it to work ;) thanks
[02:53] <endo602> i figured out most of it
[02:53] <ernz> It's all brown and muddy, and it looks like my 2 year old nephew came up with the title bar design. Yer, it's Ubuntu.
[02:53] <endo602> just dont know how to configure it to type in a command
[02:53] <fox_> is there a reason you switched from Kubuntu to Ubuntu ?
[02:53] <xenol> can someone gimme packages where i can update all KDE based software cause those ihave r offline
[02:53] <Linux_Galore> fox_: with the tar.gz/tar.bz  stuff you can use an app called kompile
[02:54] <ernz> fox_ I'm glad you asked because was actually a reason. :)
[02:54] <ernz> Linux_Galore: Are you a char bot?
[02:54] <ernz> Linux_Galore: Are you a chat bot? **
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> ernz: nope
[02:54] <ernz> Linux_Galore: Are you SURE?
[02:54] <xenol> where can i update amarok, k3b and more?
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> you wish
[02:55] <Linux_Galore> xenol: yes
[02:55] <ernz> sudo kill Linux_Galore
[02:55] <ernz> Linux_Galore: Still there?
[02:55] <Linux_Galore> yawns!
[02:55] <endo602> is the a run command that i can use to open konsole and type something in it
[02:55] <fox_> so what was your reason for switching ?
[02:55] <ernz> Fox_ To answer your question....
[02:55] <xenol> Linux_Galore: can u gimme repo or sumthing where i can DL updates for kde in dapper,
[02:56] <Linux_Galore> xenol: look on the kubuntu.org home page they often have new extra bits you can add listed or you can just use adept
[02:56] <soulrider> hi
[02:56] <Linux_Galore> xenol: goto www.kubuntu.org  you may have to go back a bit but they have kde 3.5.5 for dapper there
[02:57] <ernz> Fox_: Ubuntu's (Gnome in general)'s bluetooth support BITES! I game Kubuntu a go, and everything runs perfectly for a little while, until I screwed about with the theme manager and then loads of stuff died and konquerer didn't recognise how to open folders and stuff.
[02:57] <ernz> fox_: On top of that, I found out that a whole load of things that weren't working don't work in ubuntu either, it is mostly down to Edgy being so damned buggy and unstable.
[02:58] <fox_> i see
[02:58] <ernz> fox_: Aside from the stuff I broke, it was pretty damned good, I think i might switch back...?
[02:58] <xenol> which version of kde is insalled original dapper? 3.5.4?
[02:58] <ernz> fox_: How about you? What's your OS transition tale?
[02:59] <Linux_Galore> xenol: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[02:59] <Jucato> xenol: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[02:59] <crimson> how do i update my repositories?
[02:59] <fox_> i am now running Kubuntu , switched over from windows2000 !
[02:59] <ernz> 2000? ...... L ! O ! L ! - You must be on top of the moon after that switch eh?
[02:59] <fox_> ;)
[03:00] <ernz> Fox_ How long you been a user?
[03:00] <fox_> of kubuntu ? 2 weeks now
[03:00] <Linux_Galore> crimson: open adept and edit the repo its under "View"
[03:00] <crimson> thanks
[03:01] <ernz> I say user because in the Microsoft world, everyone is generally an unwelcome guest in the OS unless they by the 3 month upgrade license to an admin package.
[03:01] <crimson> just for reference, whats the bash syntax?
[03:01] <Linux_Galore> crimson: adept is under system in the main menu
[03:02] <ernz> 2 Weeks? Can it be? - Someone is actually more noob than me?! I have been using Ubuntu for a year now, it's been very much a love hate relationship.
[03:02] <crimson> linux_galore: i know what adept is, i was asking what the syntax for updating the repositories in the terminal is
[03:03] <Linux_Galore> crimson: sudo apt-get update ?
[03:03] <bobbyd_> hi
[03:03] <crimson> alright, thanks
[03:03] <Mace68> lo all, what's the best way to switch from fedora 6 to Kubuntu?
[03:03] <ernz> I love the fact that a lot of stuff just works, and everything is really simple, and quick. I hate that loads of stuff requires dependancies, or doesn't work and you need to spend 30 mins installing something when in windows it would be a double click.
[03:03] <bobbyd_> how do I force my laptop to run at the slowest clock speed to preserve batteries?
[03:03] <xenol> Linux_Galore: so with kde 3.5.5 will i have newest amarok ported for dapper?
[03:03] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: backup your home directory and do a new install
[03:04] <Linux_Galore> xenol: not sure, I have a feeling amarok has its own extra repo
[03:04] <Mace68> lol, that's what i thought... bugger... I got a 4 drive raid0 with loads of data.
[03:04] <draik> I can't seem play video files online
[03:04] <draik> I get (no video) on the videos
[03:04] <ernz> draik, I think I know the answer to this one.
[03:05] <draik> I can view them with kmplayer, but not in my mozilla browser
[03:05] <Linux_Galore> xenol: here we go http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.3.php
[03:05] <xenol> Linux_Galore: it has but now it  is downlaodng backport o.O why is that?
[03:05] <ernz> Did you install the VLC-plugin?
[03:05] <draik> ernz: what's the answer?
[03:05] <ernz> Draik: Did you install the VLC-plugin?
[03:05] <Linux_Galore> xenol: just add that to adept
[03:05] <Mace68> Linux_Galore: can i do it without formatting my main data partition?
[03:05] <draik> ernz: Could not find package
[03:05] <draik> ernz: I guess not
[03:05] <Jucato> xenol: no... if you're on dapper, you need a separate repo to get the latest amarok
[03:06] <Jucato> !amarok
[03:06] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.4 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[03:06] <ernz> Draik: Good, it sucks. I am using mplayer plugin for mozilla. It works pretty well.
[03:06] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: ?? whats a data partition
[03:06] <draik> It doesn't work for me
[03:06] <ernz> Draik: What happened when you tried it? An empty grey box?
[03:07] <draik> Black box with   (no video)     in white on the inside of the box
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: you can manually set the partition "yes"
[03:07] <draik> Hmmm...
[03:07] <Mace68> Linux_Galore: i have 3 partitons: /boot /swap and / with /swap and / being part of a LVM volume. I wanted to know if i could install without having to format /
[03:07] <ernz> draik: yea, I had that, but I managed to get rid of it by uninstalling the vlc-plugin I added.
[03:07] <draik> ernz: I seem to have mozilla-plugin-vlc  installed
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: you cant use "fedora" stuff though with kubuntu
[03:08] <ernz> draik: lol - Yep, get rid of it
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: you only really need one swap
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: per machine
[03:08] <draik> ernz: what's the command again?       apt-get remove --purge mozilla-plugin-vlc        ?
[03:08] <xenol> Linux_Galore: i am now confused
[03:08] <ernz> draik: Close all firefox sessions and tabs and reopen
[03:08] <ernz> draik: Sorry, I'm a noob, I use the package manage GUI
[03:09] <draik> Ok, but is that the correct command?
[03:09] <ernz> Draik: Synaptic, is it?
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> xenol: the kde repo i gave you doesnt contain amarok the other one I gave you does
[03:09] <ernz> Draik: Sorry Dunno. Give it a go n see
[03:09] <ernz> Draik: It looks official :)
[03:09] <draik> ernz: Ok. So how do I remove it with Synaptic?
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> xenol: you need both
[03:09] <xenol> !Paste
[03:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:10] <ernz> Just search for it, and select remove.
[03:10] <Mace68> Linux_Galore: i only have one swap but I put it as a LVM so I could resize it if my ram size changed in the future. But I have too much data on / to back up...
[03:10] <xenol> Linux_Galore: will u find few mins? i will paste my sources .list
[03:10] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: you cant share /
[03:10] <draik> ernz: nevermind
[03:10] <draik> ernz: seems that I did delete the package
[03:10] <draik> ernz: 1 sec
[03:10] <ernz> Draik: Gone is it?
[03:10] <ernz> Draik: Cool
[03:11] <xenol> Linux_Galore: tell me if they r good ones http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/307/
[03:11] <Mace68> Linux_Galore: so could i boot with the live cd, remove the fedora system files while leaving my home dir intact and install kubuntu to the existing / partition?
[03:11] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: you will have to resize / and make a new partition for the other install
[03:11] <marcelo__> hi all, there is any program like a 'anydvd' and 'clonedvd' for linux... I want to decrypt a DVD and i'm linux starter :) ops.. i am using KUbuntu
[03:11] <soulrider> marcelo__: k9copy
[03:11] <draik> ernz: Here is the error I have now...
[03:11] <Linux_Galore> xenol: they look fine
[03:11] <xenol> Linux_Galore: and it ask for some key
[03:12] <Linux_Galore> xenol: you can add a key, the page I gave you show you how
[03:12] <ernz> draik: Shoot.
[03:12] <Linux_Galore> shows*
[03:12] <draik> ernz: Let me replicate the error and get you a screenshot
[03:13] <ernz> draik: Sure.
[03:13] <xenol> Linux_Galore: i gave there but it shows that i still dotn  have key
[03:13] <Linux_Galore> xenol: yes, read the repo details i gave you, it tells you how to add a new key for that repo
[03:13] <draik> ernz: Totem could not play 'http://www.videocure.com/inc/prevideo.swf'.
[03:13] <ernz> XChat is so much more awesome that mIRC32!
[03:14] <draik> ernz: That's the error message
[03:14] <ernz> draik: SWF's are flash media files.
[03:14] <draik> ernz: ok. So why is totem trying to play them?
[03:14] <ernz> Draik, Got Flash player installed?
[03:14] <xenol> Linux_Galore: i made it but when i sudo aptget update it says no key obtained
[03:14] <draik> ernz: Should. I got the nonfree installed
[03:14] <ernz> draik: Lol - Not a clue!?
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> xenol: yeah I bet thats for one of the others you have added, each one has its own
[03:14] <ernz> draik: Hang on a sec, Ill have a look'see at that link
[03:15] <intelikey> you know there are some pretty good links on that page, even if the sarcasm is a little thick on the page itself.    http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp
[03:15] <Linux_Galore> xenol: not horrible important, it will still work
[03:15] <xenol> Linux_Galore: so can now i upgrade or not?
[03:15] <Linux_Galore> xenol: yeah, dont worry
[03:15] <xenol> Linux_Galore: but if i DL backport version wont it crash?
[03:15] <xenol> be buggy or so?
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> xenol: ?? what package are we talking about
[03:16] <soulrider> ok.... it sais that some people have never heard of any Os other than linux
[03:16] <soulrider> thats impossible
[03:16] <xenol> Linux_Galore: k3b is downloaded from backport
[03:16] <Jucato> xenol: no problem with that. the official repositories won't conflict (much)
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> xenol: aah, I compiled k3b myself, but no it will work fine
[03:17] <Jucato> the latest k3b is in the backports, but the latest amarok is in kubuntu.org
[03:17] <ernz> Hey draik: Mine opens in flash player 9, can I recommend re-installing FP9 with firefox close, maybe this with jumpstart the file associations and get it handled correctly?
[03:17] <draik> ernz: here is the 2nd part of the error message             You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file. You might need to install the necessary plugins.
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> think Im running k3b 1.0rc3
[03:17] <ernz> Draik: Go to http://www.compfused.com
[03:17] <xenol> buggy?
[03:18] <Linux_Galore> xenol: no works fine
[03:18] <Jucato> xenol: don't go compiling if you're not sure :)
[03:18] <ernz> Draik: Play Dumbass of the year award video - does it work?
[03:18] <draik> ernz: Nope. Doesn't show anything
[03:18] <xenol> wat is better koffice or OOo? i guess OOo
[03:18] <xenol> jucato i dont know how to compile :P
[03:18] <ernz> Just a grey box?
[03:19] <draik> yup
[03:19] <draik> ernz: Yup. Got nothing
[03:19] <Linux_Galore> xenol: depends what your doing, koffice I use for general stuff OOo for complex tasks
[03:19] <Jucato> xenol: that means, don't compile now, learn first, then compile later :)
[03:19] <xenol> yeah
[03:19] <ernz> draik: I had that too!!! What a pain in the arse it was to fix.
[03:19] <xenol> Linux_Galore: when i DL it shows that amarok is being DLed from backport source but tit is version 1.4.3
[03:19] <Linux_Galore> xenol: OOo is slower and uses allot more resources than koffice
[03:20] <draik> ernz: How did you fix it?
[03:20] <genii> basic compile not too bad :) eg:  ./configure && make && make install
[03:20] <Linux_Galore> xenol: yeah thats right, last version is 1.4.3 for dapper
[03:20] <Jucato> actually, ./configure --prefix is the way to go! :)
[03:20] <ernz> Draik: Can you please fire up the package manager again, and check to see if you have 'mplayer' and 'mozilla-mplayer' both installed.
[03:21] <xenol> but if i want later this year make compile gentoo to try it wat does it take to compile whole system from source or debian
[03:21] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: did they port Amarok 1.4.4 to dapper ?
[03:21] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: nope...
[03:21] <xenol> it wont be enough just ./configure, make and make-install :D
[03:21] <ernz> Draik: You will also need the 'w32codecs' package if you don't already have it installed.
[03:21] <genii> gentoo can be a pain in the ass but it's a good learning experience. Also you get everything compiled and tailored exactly for what box you have which is optimal
[03:22] <Linux_Galore> xenol: k3b is actually very easy to build you just goto make sure you have all the dev libs (it will warn you)
[03:22] <ernz> Still there Draik?
[03:22] <genii> gentoo is also Debian based as Ubuntu is
[03:22] <draik> ernz: Mplayer and mozilla-mplayer are both installed and latest versions
[03:22] <xenol> Linux_Galore: compiling kernel is kinda riskyif it wont compile good?
[03:23] <draik> ernz: w32codecs is also installed and latest version
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> xenol: not really, there is a howto running around that explains "how to build a kernel the ubuntu way"
[03:23] <ernz> draik: Restart firefox, whats the result?
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> xenol: very easy, and if it breaks you just swap back to the default
[03:24] <xenol> Linux_Galore: should i build new kernel if i have no probs with my actual?
[03:24] <genii> What Galore said :)
[03:24] <Linux_Galore> xenol: there is no damage done in building your own kernel of you dont delete the old one
[03:24] <draik> ernz: I just uninstalled mozilla-totem... restarting firefox...
[03:24] <Linux_Galore> xenol: good experience points
[03:25] <genii> I wonder if the gentoo devs took pages from the linuxfromscratch site :)
[03:25] <xenol> i guess i should then install newly ubuntu on my left 14 gb partiotion and try these kind f things there
[03:25] <umalone> There's not that much need to compile a profiled kernel now that most stuff are loaded as modules
[03:25] <Linux_Galore> xenol: if you have no hardware issues I wouldnt bother personally
[03:25] <umalone> 'twas  different in the good ole days
[03:25] <draik> ernz: GOT IT RUNNING
[03:25] <draik> ernz: THANK YOU!!!
[03:25] <ernz> draik: Sweeeet.
[03:26] <ernz> How about that SWF?
[03:26] <genii> xenol The only time you want to compile a new kernel usually is if there is some feature you want builtin to it that is problemmatic to load as a kernel module
[03:26] <endo602> genii i got a link to open up the konsole to the directory
[03:26] <endo602> but i cant get it to run the executable
[03:26] <draik> ernz: SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTT!!!!!!!!
[03:26] <ernz> draik: DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:26] <draik> ernz: It's playing with mplayer though
[03:27] <xenol> genii: can u gimme som good websites where i can learn these things like working with shells, compiling, isntalling etc?
[03:27] <genii> endo602 Cool :)   Using the    konsole --oclose -e /path/filename.sh     syntax?
[03:27] <ernz> Draik: Still embedded in the browser?
[03:27] <draik> ernz: What's mine say? DUDE! What's mine say? SWEET!
[03:27] <genii> --noclose    rather
[03:27] <xenol> genii: www.google.com will make it? :)
[03:27] <draik> ernz: still embeded in the browser
[03:27] <Linux_Galore> ernz: I just downloaded the Flash9 Linux plugin file then unpacked the file and coppied the flash plugin to ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[03:28] <ernz> Draik: Nice. If you can play a WMV and SWF files, then it should be clear sailing.
[03:28] <genii> xenol 1 minute I'll find something useful for you
[03:28] <ernz> Linux_Galore...?
[03:28] <draik> ernz: thanks again
[03:28] <umalone> I've dual boot/grub question. If I reinstall wWindows XP on a dual-boot machine, how can I reinstall grub afterwards?
[03:28] <Jucato> !flash9
[03:28] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[03:28] <Linux_Galore> enzo_: for swf support
[03:28] <xenol> genii: i wait and then go offline
[03:28] <mauro> woa
[03:28] <ernz> Draik: No probs. Hope it brings many hours of gaming and viewing pleasure.
[03:28] <mauro> its the second time today
[03:28] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: that the new one
[03:28] <mauro> that linux completely froze nd i had to restart my machine
[03:29] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: it not the original flash9 one but the new release
[03:29] <Linux_Galore> ie*
[03:29] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: beta 2, afaik
[03:29] <genii> xenol   http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_kernel_2.6_compile_debian
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: want on the repo when i last looked, easier now to to copy the plugin to the plugins folder for me
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> wasnt*
[03:30] <ernz> 0230 already!?  Today is gonna SUCK!
[03:30] <Jucato> yeah. it was just added last november afaik
[03:30] <xenol> genii:  thx
[03:30] <ernz> Laters all.
[03:30] <notech> mauro: the 3 most common reasons for a box to freeze is bad ram, heat, or flaky power supply
[03:30] <Jucato> or Dec
[03:31] <genii> xenol It should give you some idea anyhow :)
[03:31] <endo602> genii yah
[03:31] <endo602> but the terminal opens up too small
[03:31] <mauro> notech: ill try the mem test
[03:31] <endo602> can i change that?
[03:31] <genii> endo602 There are inline switches for terminal size etc as well
[03:31] <ernz> Before I leave, Mauro: I changed the positions of my memory modules on the MoBo, that fixed for me. - Out
[03:32] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: there is a thing calle kubXtra that adds flash/java etc on kde-apps.org
[03:32] <endo602> do you know that sort of business
[03:32] <mauro> k
[03:32] <endo602> ?
[03:32] <genii> endo602 Searching now :)
[03:32] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: hm... yeah, but if you have "official" methods... :)
[03:32] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yeah but its a simple all in one UI tool
[03:33] <Jucato> as long as it installs in /home and doesn't cause a mess, it's ok, I guess
[03:33] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yeah does a /home install
[03:33] <Jucato> that's a lot better than Automatix :)
[03:34] <genii_> Arg disconnects
[03:34] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: adept is too confusing for newbies Im finding, kubextra is a simple tick box UI and installer
[03:34] <Jucato> +1 on Adept :)
[03:34] <genii> Crap how to kick my ghost name? LOL
[03:35] <genii> hangon got it
[03:35] <Jucato> genii: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password for that nick>
[03:35] <genii> endo 602 Something like konsole --vt_sz 80x40 --noclose -e /path/scriptname.sh
[03:36] <intelikey> so is there a good linux use for the fritz chip ?
[03:36] <enzo_> Linux_Galore: what is for swf support?
[03:36] <genii> Every time my roomie starts up his freakin MySpace the DSL chunks out..grrrrr
[03:37] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: found something really nice today, it adds KDE like splash screens to many GTK apps http://www.jesusda.com/projects/splash/
[03:38] <Jucato> hmm.. nice...  although maybe KSplash can also be used for that
[03:38] <hatta> why would you want splash screens?
[03:38] <genii> Just curious...anyone compiling for ARM on i386 box?
[03:38] <Linux_Galore> hatta: to make the desktop look uniform
[03:38] <hatta> best way to do that would be to remove all the splash screens
[03:39] <hatta> they're pointless
[03:39] <intelikey> hatta aka ete candy
[03:39] <endo602> works like a charm
[03:39] <endo602> thanks so much
[03:39] <Linux_Galore> hatta: gtk apps usually have a dark grey or brown splay so doesnt fit into the default bluish theme for kde well
[03:39] <Linux_Galore> splash*
[03:39] <genii> endo602 Cool :)
[03:39] <Jucato> please don't decide for us what is pointless or not, specially when it comes to appearances/eye candy
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: even found some spannish guy who has re done all the icons for gaim/gimp and a few toher ktk apps to they look kde'ish
[03:41] <intelikey> who sees the "the default bluish theme for kde" more than on the initial launch of kde ???
[03:41] <hatta> hehe
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> gtk*
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> ever time I open gimp the icons looks wrong on kde
[03:41] <Jucato> I happen to like the default kde theme :P
[03:41] <Jucato> and switch back to it form time to time
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> now they look right at home
[03:41] <intelikey> :)
[03:42] <hatta> I like to get rid of all the gradients and bitmap backgrounds
[03:42] <genii> I don't care what my desktop looks like usually so long as what I need to access is easily found
[03:42] <Linux_Galore> see if i can find the home page with the icon theme stuff for gtk apps
[03:43] <intelikey> basic black is never out of style
[03:43] <genii> intelikey On all my windoze boxes thats how it's set :)
[03:44] <[Relic] > are there many photo album programs available?
[03:44] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: here we go, kde icons in gtk apps -> http://www.jesusda.com/projects/pasodoble/
[03:45] <hatta> black is a little high contrast
[03:45] <hatta> any dark solid color is nice
[03:45] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: the gimp stuff (down the page a bit) looks very nice
[03:46] <Jucato> er brb
[03:46] <genii> Somearcane question someone may know the answer: There a ttl monitor driver someplace? like hercules etc?
[03:46] <Jucato> ugh ants!!!
[03:46] <moskillz> hey can some one help me with this
[03:46] <moskillz> please
[03:47] <Linux_Galore> moskillz: ask
[03:47] <moskillz> my screen resuloution got relly big and i dont know how to change it back
[03:47] <moskillz> im new to linux lol
[03:48] <Linux_Galore> moskillz: run krandrtray
[03:48] <Linux_Galore> moskillz: it allows you to change your resolution on the fly
[03:48] <moskillz> what would that be under in the start menue thing
[03:48] <intelikey> did you hit  [ctrl] +[alt] +[+]    ?
[03:49] <intelikey> genii hehhe yeah.
[03:49] <Linux_Galore> moskillz: usually yes or you can run it in a terminal
[03:50] <moskillz> what one would it be under like utilities or office
[03:50] <moskillz> or what
[03:50] <intelikey> system settings ?
[03:51] <Linux_Galore> not sure my menu is so hacked up right now lol
[03:51] <moskillz> lol thank you much
[03:52] <crimson> i can't find any of the new plugins for the ktorrent 2.1beta1 anywhere, can anyone help?
[03:52] <Mace68> Another question... just need opinions. How much performance difference is there between an 32-bit and a 64-bit install of Kubuntu on an Athlon 64?
[03:53] <Linux_Galore>  crimson: try the home page?
[03:53] <moskillz> intelikey was right i cant even find it lol
[03:53] <Mace68> crimson: I had to compile from svn to get em.
[03:53] <Linux_Galore> crimson: also ktorrent has its own forum for questions and its own channel on this server
[03:54] <crimson> linux_galore: forum is down
[03:54] <Linux_Galore> crimson: on the home page ?
[03:54] <crimson> mace68: i am not familiar with svn
[03:54] <intelikey> moskillz alt+f2  type in    krandrtray
[03:54] <crimson> linux_galore: i didn't see the plugins there
[03:55] <Linux_Galore> crimson: yeah, there is a channel in the forum for plugins on the home page
[03:55] <genii> Crap my roomie must be on MySpace again
[03:55] <crimson> i am failing to reach the forums
[03:56] <crimson> it is having an error creating a new session
[03:56] <intelikey> hmmm odd it doesn't error or anything.   (krandrtray) that is.
[03:56] <moskillz> it still wont let me open it
[03:56] <Linux_Galore> crimson: ?? just use a browser
[03:56] <Mace68> crimson: http://ktorrent.org/index.php?page=faq question #3
[03:57] <crimson> linux_galore: i am using a browser
[03:57] <crimson> thanks mace68\
[03:57] <Mace68> yw :)
[03:57] <intelikey> moskillz at any rate there are docs on the wiki about rez
[03:57] <intelikey> !rez
[03:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rez - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:57] <moskillz> well it let me open it but it wont let me change it
[03:57] <Linux_Galore> crimson: aah the server is down
[03:57] <crimson> sweet, time to crack out the compiler
[03:59] <moskillz> ok well ill try to find something out thank you anyways
[03:59] <moskillz> later
[03:59] <Mace68> so, is the 64-bit performance increase worth the compatibility hassles?
[04:00] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: at the moment no, in a year or so yes
[04:00] <Mace68> decisions decisions lol
[04:00] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: it is faster but its a hassle
[04:00] <Linux_Galore> allot of stuff is still 32 bit
[04:01] <Mace68> does kubuntu have lib and lib64? or do i have to chroot for 32 bit?
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: you can execute things as 32 bit still
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: just a hassle to setup the startup scripts for the the stuff you have to run in 32 bit mode
[04:03] <Mace68> i guess you won't be able to 'upgrade' from 32 bit to 64 bit at a later time, you'll have to reinstall instead, am i right?
[04:04] <family> !sound
[04:04] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: yep
[04:04] <Mace68> Thanks Linux_Galore I think i'll go for 64-bit then :)
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> Mace68: that wont effect the config file though on /home
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Can I burn the Live CD From the live Cd?
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> in*
[04:05] <genii> DaSkreech Good question!
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: yep
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: With k3b?
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: yes, you have to out the iso on a hardisk though first if you only have one DVD_RW
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> s/out/put
[04:06] <mathieu> is it possible to have two screens of different size but still have my entire screen on my workspace?
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Hmm
 Mace68: that wont effect the config file though on /home <<< Thanks, that's good to know.
[04:06] <DaSkreech> I think that they are all NTFS hard drives
[04:06] <intelikey> shame one can't just dd if=file.iso of=/dev/burner
[04:06] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: I use a thumb drive
[04:06] <family> Is anyone else having problems with accessing IRC with Konversation?  Mine is hanging with the message:   [CTCP]  Received Version request from freenode-connect.
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Pretty fat thumb drive :)
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech:   is dd if=/dev/hdc  of=/dev/sdb1
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech:   missed a bit
[04:07] <genii> If you have enough ram you could put the iso in a ramdisk
[04:08] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech:   is dd if=/dev/hdc  of=/dev/sdb1 filename.iso
[04:08] <ubuntu_> quelqu'un peut m'aider  installer kubuntu ?
[04:08] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Which language?
[04:08] <DaSkreech> French?
[04:08] <genii> !fr | ubuntu_
[04:08] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:08] <ubuntu_> okay
[04:08] <ubuntu_> i speak english if you want :D
 DaSkreech:   is dd if=/dev/hdc  of=/dev/sdb1 filename.iso <<< what are you trying to do ???
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: copy the dvd to an iso on a thumb drive
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> or cd
[04:09] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I have someone who's Windows machine keeps rebooting as soon as the Windows XP screen comes up
[04:09] <genii> ubuntu_ You will likely get more help on a specific issue here in english than the french-specific channel
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: so they can burn it in k3b of the live cd
[04:10] <intelikey> Linux_Galore if=input file  of=outpur file
[04:10] <DaSkreech> She needs data from it and I'm thinking I can give her a Live CD to get her documents. Just wondering if I could burn the Live CD from the Live cd as I was using it
[04:10] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: yes
[04:10] <DaSkreech> since I don't have an OS to use
[04:11] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: its an example of course
[04:12] <intelikey> Linux_Galore i'm just saying that  "dd if=/dev/hdc  of=/dev/sdb1 filename.iso"  is not going to work.   "dd if=/dev/hdc  of=/dev/sdb1/filename.iso"   would.
[04:12] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: I use it allot though with DVD/CD's burnt in windows with a broken multi session setup ie I copy the disks iso to my hardisk then mount it so i can see the missing files
[04:12] <intelikey> makes several assumption but given the right setup that would work.
[04:13] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: aah yes sorry, no space needed
[04:13] <intelikey> sure.  was just saying " " != "/"
[04:14] <Linux_Galore>  dd if=/dev/hdc  of=/dev/sdb1/filename.iso
[04:14] <intelikey> and it may have seemed a little incohearent seeing i'm lagging pretty bad.
[04:16] <DaSkreech> So short answer is not on the fly?
[04:16] <crimson> mace68: i got all the code but bash is saying "make" is not a command when i try to compile the code
[04:16] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: not from the same disk you have to copy the iso first
[04:16] <family> jkgruet: Are you there?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> now I'm wondering if it makes sense at all :( Just realised that kubuntu doesn't auto mount the drives
[04:17] <DaSkreech> Maybe Knoppix...
[04:17] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: take a 1Gb or bigger thumb drive
[04:18] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: k3b can burn an iso (and create one)
[04:18] <genii> I would say if you have 2G ram make a 700whateversize ramdisk instead, much faster
[04:18] <intelikey> DaSkreech not likely on a live CD, if you have more than one cd tray    too much hang time.  an on the fly is likely to burp out a coster/frizby
[04:18] <ubuntu_> i speak english if i want and when i want okay
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Yup I know just ... don't have a thumb drive :-(
[04:18] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: yeah, just thinking it wont work with a single tray
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Wonder if I can do it on a iPod
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: No Double tray DVD RW and a CD RW
[04:19] <jkgruet> family: Yes
[04:19] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: yeah use the ipod to hold the iso, that will work
[04:19] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Someone told you not to speak english?
[04:19] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: Ok I'll try that then :)
[04:20] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: ubuntu/kubuntu auto detects an ipod as a external mass storage device by default
[04:20] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: take a spare cd burner just in case
[04:20] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:20] <crimson> does anyone know why the "make" command wouldn't be working in my terminal, and how to fix it?
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Now
[04:21] <Jucato> crimson: do you have build-essential installed? what error message are you getting?
[04:21] <intelikey> crimson ?
[04:21] <Linux_Galore> crimson: because ./configure failed
[04:22] <intelikey> !b-e
[04:22] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:22] <crimson> jucato: the error is "make: command not found" and i will see if build-essential is installed
[04:22] <Linux_Galore> crimson: if ./configure fails it doesnt create a "make" script
[04:22] <Jucato> you need "build-essential" then
[04:23] <crimson> linux_galore: i haven't done ./configure yet
[04:23] <intelikey> Linux_Galore you mean "Makefile"
[04:23] <Linux_Galore> crimson: you can run make till you have run ./configure
[04:23] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: Im trying to be simple
[04:23] <intelikey> but the error says b-e is the answer
[04:23] <intelikey> !make
[04:23] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:24] <umalone> crimson: To check if you have make in your path, type: which make
[04:24] <Linux_Galore> cant*
[04:26] <intelikey> Linux_Galore but the error will be no path to make   or nothing to be done for make all      or something like that.    his error is  command not found meaning that the compiler is missing.
[04:26] <genii> no Makefile  usually produces something like "no target" not "command not found"  ... sounds like build-essential    etc needed
[04:26] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: aaah, as in even if he runs ./configure he hasnt got make anyway
[04:27] <intelikey> genii i'm just lagging too much... :)
[04:27] <intelikey> Linux_Galore correct.
[04:27] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: there really needs to be a developer-tools  meta package
[04:27] <genii> intelikey You doin' alright :)
[04:28] <intelikey> Linux_Galore there is.   build-essential
[04:28] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: build-essential
[04:28] <Jucato> ugh lag!
[04:28] <intelikey> genii yes just heavy dl traffic for a slowdem connection
[04:28] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: tried that but it seemed to not be complete
[04:29] <intelikey> Lag 14 sec jucato
[04:29] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: it contains what it name says: essential packages for building (compiling). other -dev/-devel stuff are not so essential
[04:29] <Jucato> intelikey: :(
[04:31] <DaSkreech> Wait
[04:31] <DaSkreech> What the heck?
[04:31] <DaSkreech> ok Never mind :)
[04:32] <intelikey> Linux_Galore i found it complete.  but any sorce may require special libs or headers    that's not the compilers fault   and no way to prepair for every possable compile time depentancy    one would have to install all existing source.... so they would be ready to install one source package.
[04:32] <DaSkreech> They have a md5sums.txt on the Cd :) I was wondering how you take the MD5 of a cd and PUT it on the CD
[04:32] <tamacracker> Hey guys, if kubuntu freezes, can I press anything that'll automatically restart X? or do I need to restart my machine like windows?
[04:32] <Jucato> tamacracker: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace restarts X
[04:32] <DaSkreech> tamacracker: you might be able to pres Alt+Ctrl=BkSp
[04:32] <foob> dont they just do one of the original iso they burn and they're all the same?
[04:32] <tamacracker> nah
[04:32] <tamacracker> doesn't work
[04:32] <tamacracker> alright
[04:32] <Jucato> tamacracker: or you could try killing the offending app?
[04:32] <DaSkreech> tamacracker: Assuming it's not a hard dfreeze
[04:33] <tamacracker> Jucato the whole machine freezes
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: yeah bit it didnt install the kde stuff
[04:33] <Jucato> tamacracker: can you still go to tty?
[04:33] <tamacracker> so the mouse is useless
[04:33] <DaSkreech> tamacracker: can you press Alt+Ctrl+F1?
[04:33] <Jucato> ah no luck then...
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> but*
[04:33] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: why should it install the kde stuff as well? that's what the "kde-devel" metapackage is for
[04:33] <DaSkreech> tamacracker: if I have two machines I normally try to SSH in
[04:33] <tamacracker> SSH?
[04:33] <foob> secure shell
[04:33] <Jucato> Secure SHell
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: ooh maybe because Im on kubunty with a "K" so I build KDE apps
[04:33] <genii> secure shell
[04:34] <foob> secure shell
[04:34] <genii> darn too much lag LOL
[04:34] <foob> and now he'll never forget what it is
[04:34] <tamacracker> ah i see...
[04:34] <intelikey> tamacracker if the kernel is still responsive   [alt] +[SysRQ] +[ E,R,U,B ]   <-- any of those last four keys      i sujest trying in order  cause the last is reboot.
[04:35] <intelikey> mmmm is it B or N   ....
[04:35] <tamacracker> i see
[04:35] <foob> what's SysRQ
[04:35] <tamacracker> maybe B for boot? >.>
[04:35] <intelikey> one or the other.
[04:35] <tamacracker> the print screen button
[04:35] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: yes. that's why the KDE development files aren't included in build-essential. they're only essential to KDE users. but for basic compiling, build-essential covers it.
[04:36] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: thats what Im saying. kubuntu need a kde meta dev package
[04:36] <Linux_Galore> needs*
[04:37] <intelikey> tamacracker yes the print screen button when alt is pressed is the SysRQ
[04:37] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: like I said, that's what "kde-devel" is for
[04:37] <tamacracker> yeah
[04:37] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: hmm so install both
[04:38] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: yes. build-essential, in order to be able to compile, and kde-devel, to get the necessary headers and stuff
[04:38] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: you know why I find this annoying because on suse I just selected a dev option and 95% of my stuff compiles fine, not with kubuntu, im running around looking for these meta packages
[04:38] <intelikey> tamacracker E is to killall5   R is to reset the keyboard  U is to umount  or remount ro   so one can kill the system  and    seems like  N is for hard reset
[04:39] <intelikey> but it may be B
[04:39] <genii> will kde-dev install the kernel-headers etc?
[04:39] <intelikey> b
[04:39] <Jucato> genii: no. just the KDE headers
[04:39] <intelikey> bb
[04:39] <intelikey> bbbbBBb
[04:39] <dope> for some reason amarok won't auto recognize my ipod
[04:39] <genii> thx Jucato
[04:39] <tamacracker> understood
[04:39] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: suse has a different package management system, and 10.2 has a new system called "patterns"
[04:39] <Linux_Galore> dope  dont plug the ipod in till the desktop is up
[04:40] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: Im saying the dev stuff is too scattered in ubuntu
[04:40] <dope> it says media/ipod is locked
[04:41] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: it's how the metapackages are setup in Debian
[04:41] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Why is it called Sysrq?
[04:41] <Jucato> at least for the -devel stuff
[04:41] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: not all of us are on dial up and we want the kitchen sink
[04:42] <intelikey> System ReQuest   dirrect kernel access
[04:42] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: I'm sure the Debian devs have a reason for that. maybe you could also ask in #ubuntu-motu if there's like a "one -devel package to rule them all)
[04:42] <DaSkreech> intelikey: PrintScreen?
[04:42] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: because Debian decides that firefox is too commercial and shouldn't be used are you know inferring ubuntu follows
[04:43] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: no. but in most cases Ubuntu follows Debian's packaging, if you haven't noticed
[04:43] <intelikey> same nomenclature as  IRQ interrupt request
[04:43] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yes I know, but Debian doesnt always get it right
[04:43] <intelikey> DaSkreech yes.
[04:43] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: true. but they also don't always get it wrong either :)
[04:44] <Jucato> anyway, packaging concerns/discussion are more appropriate in #ubuntu-motu, specially since kde-devel is a universe package
[04:45] <dope> how do i eject the ipod?
 Jucato: because Debian decides that firefox is too commercial and shouldn't be used are you know inferring ubuntu follows <<< it may well be that ff will become part of the TCG and if so it will most surely be too commercial for ubuntu or any other linux.
[04:46] <Nuked> Linux_Galore: you feel that ubuntu shouldnt follow debian on this one?
[04:46] <dope> ok got it
[04:46] <flaccid> TCG?
[04:46] <Jucato> TCG?
[04:46] <flaccid> it would be absolutely stupid to remove ff from ubuntu
[04:46] <Jucato> intelikey: not really, all Ubuntu would need to do would be to relocated firefox to restricted or the commercial repos
[04:46] <intelikey> trusted computing froup
[04:47] <intelikey> group
[04:47] <flaccid> wtf
[04:47] <intelikey> look it up.
[04:47] <flaccid> why are they doing that
[04:47] <flaccid> TC is evil!!
[04:47] <Jucato> as long as FF remains with an open source compatible license, it's still open source
[04:47] <Linux_Galore> Nuked: no
[04:47] <intelikey> no anything TC would be about as anti-linux as you can get.
[04:48] <genii> open source is open source and should stay in. Especially GNU license
[04:48] <Jucato> I use Konqueror.. so I'm not worried much..
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Night guys!
[04:48] <Linux_Galore> Nuked: its dumb and I often find debian ideals don't reflect commercial realities
[04:48] <flaccid> intelikey: i tried to look it up. can't find anything.
[04:48] <intelikey> flaccid i didn't say they were doing that.  just bring to the attention that they "may" at some point.
[04:48] <Jucato> it may... but it's probably too late for them since their code is already open
[04:48] <flaccid> intelikey: where is your evidence?
[04:49] <Jucato> anything they do to piss off the FOSS community will just result in a fork... like Iceweasel
[04:49] <flaccid> i don't see how ff would go in there considering m$ being a head player. wouldn't happen...
[04:49] <Nuked> Linux_Galore: it seems more as a "to each his own" situation... if they want iceweasel then by all means... perhaps they are trying to make a point
[04:49] <Jucato> ugh anyway guys... this is getting -offtopic
[04:49] <intelikey> evidence  ?
[04:49] <Linux_Galore> Nuked: to me its sounds more like a child complaining they they cant get a set toy in a set colour
[04:50] <Nuked> ha
[04:50] <Jucato> !offtopic
[04:50] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:50] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah not good to make a rumour like that
[04:50] <soulrider> guys, i tried twice to burn a couple of DVD images, but i get some IO Error and linux just freezes
[04:50] <soulrider> theres nothing i can do except reboot
[04:50] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: what are you using to burn the dvd's
[04:50] <soulrider> k3b
[04:50] <soulrider> my computer froze like 4 times today
[04:50] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: did you run the setup script
[04:50] <soulrider> 2 while i got the io error
[04:51] <foob> kbuntu is compiled for sysrq by default?
[04:51] <soulrider> setup script ?
[04:51] <soulrider> i hope theres nothing wrong with my hardware
[04:51] <Linux_Galore> soulrider:sudo k3bsetup
[04:51] <intelikey> flaccid hypothasees need no evidence    you must have missed the things that lead to that.     any software "might" go TCG and thus be too comerical for linux.
[04:51] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: i get an error
[04:52] <soulrider> kcmshell: cant connect to x server
[04:52] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: ?
[04:52] <soulrider> when i run that command
[04:52] <intelikey> i was pointing out that if debian moves something out of it's "open" line up then ubuntu may of necessity have to also    depending on the "reason" for the move.
[04:53] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: just run kdesu k3bsetup
[04:53] <intelikey> i know that my lag time may make the less cohearant on your screen than mine.  sorry for that confussion.
[04:53] <flaccid> microsoft might bomb the pentagon
[04:54] <Jucato> *coughs*
[04:54] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: done
[04:54] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: double check the drive, it may be set too fast
[04:54] <intelikey> there ya go. flaccid
[04:54] <flaccid> also its possible that linus is a woman
[04:54] <flaccid> intelikey: doesn't make it right...
[04:54] <intelikey> flaccid but what should i tie that statement too ?
[04:54] <intelikey> :)
[04:54] <flaccid> hypothesis
[04:55] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: my computer also froze why not trying to burn anything
[04:55] <soulrider> and with k3b it froze before starting to burn
[04:55] <Nuked> intelikey: do you feel that debian is just trying to protect itself from becoming "overcommercialized" ?
[04:55] <flaccid> its a matter of interpretation
[04:55] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: aaah, then you have another issue
[04:55] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: any ideas /
[04:55] <soulrider> i checked my RAM and its ok
[04:56] <soulrider> my comp isnt overheating either
[04:56] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: if the machine feels laggy look in ksysguard  see whats chewing up resources and then kill it then just disable it from starting in kcontrol
[04:56] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: its not laggy
[04:56] <soulrider> it just sudenly freezes
[04:56] <soulrider> and stays that way
[04:56] <soulrider> i thought it was my other hard drive
[04:56] <soulrider> disconnected it
[04:56] <soulrider> but no change
[04:56] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: aaah, check the logs in /var/logs
[04:57] <intelikey> Nuked i don't know.  but i do know that debian is somewhat of a "purest" mentality,   if they think something might be moving in the wrong dirrection, freedom is top shelf to them.
[04:58] <genii> If speed settings jibe with what the drive is capable ofdoing it conceivable could be a bum DVD I get about 3 in a hundred spindle bad from factory
[04:58] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: when why doesnt Debian then shift to the BSD license because thats "is really free"
[04:58] <Linux_Galore> then*
[04:58] <Linux_Galore> GPL != Free
[04:58] <soulrider> could it be knetworkmanager crashing ym system ?
[04:58] <genii> I like GNU license but BSD is more practical
[04:59] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: I usually disable stuff, could also be because of beryl or you have some special effects running that are crashing
[04:59] <Nuked> intelikey: thats not necessarily a bad thing, however their real problem is their elitist mentality. I think they should work on that before forking things
[04:59] <NeoChaosX> L_G: Debian believes in the GNU interpretation of freedom
[04:59] <soulrider> nothing
[05:00] <Linux_Galore> NeoChaosX: otherwise "restricted terms of freedom as deemed by GNU"
[05:00] <genii> soulrider Is this some Acer dvd writer by any chance?
[05:00] <soulrider> hda: timeout waiting for DMA   ~ thats the last line before a restart, hda is my cd drive
[05:00] <intelikey> really free ?      freedom doesn't nessarily mean no restriction at all.  for that generally tends to a tiranical empire   one thugh takes over.     but we are off topic
[05:00] <soulrider> genii: its a Sony drive
[05:00] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: does with BSD
[05:00] <NeoChaosX> Oh, hm. Mind linking me to whatever started this debate?
[05:01] <Linux_Galore> just people often wave "free/freedom" around but they dont really grasp the concept
[05:01] <genii> soulrider Looks like some mis-assignment with Direct Memory Access.
[05:02] <Linux_Galore> as soon as you "start" dictating terms you dont have the right to use the term "freedom"
[05:02] <soulrider> genii: that bad? =/
[05:02] <genii> soulrider Many things could be causing it, not neccesarily bad
[05:02] <Jucato> guys, again, please. #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:03] <soulrider> argh, im getting mad, IM GOING BACK TO WINDOWS XP!
[05:03] <soulrider> just kidding :P
[05:03] <Norty> Wouldn't WinXP make your problems worse?
[05:03] <genii> soulrider Some possible causes I know about: HD is slower dma eg:33 or 66    than IDE is (perhaps 100 or 133) but kernel is loading with some parameter making bus speed the one to try
[05:04] <intelikey> NeoChaosX i think it may have been my high lag time that started it actually.      i said something in responce to something else (long sense forgotten)  but my post showed up late and because it wasn't benieth it's parent thought, it caught some bad attention and exploded into chaos  or freedom  depending on which side of the thing you stood on  :)
[05:04] <soulrider> its a SCSI drive
[05:04] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: look at the look and feel section in kcontrol, there are some things they warn not to enable because they may cause instability, ie gradient transparent menu's caused my system to crash before every 4 minutes
[05:04] <soulrider> genii: k3b allways worked gine
[05:04] <soulrider> but it just crashed me twice today
[05:04] <genii> soulrider If SCSI then check the host adapter bios and make sure settings are *nix friendly if possible
[05:05] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: i have everything disabled
[05:05] <soulrider> genii: in six months of using linux, i never had a problem with the settings
[05:05] <genii> Also endpoint ermination causes a *lot* of issues if not set right
[05:06] <genii> soulrider Did you recently add another drive somewhere ?
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: hmm could be a hardisk error or something that was changed around that time
[05:06] <soulrider> genii: no
[05:06] <soulrider> im gonna attempt to burn again
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: boot up a live CD and see if it crashes
 Also endpoint ermination causes a *lot* of issues if not set right  <<< most cards can be set to auto-terminate   fixes most of that.
[05:06] <soulrider> if you see "mauro" login, thats me :P
[05:07] <soulrider> cd is spinning...
[05:08] <soulrider> whats weird is that after it crashes
[05:08] <soulrider> i can open the cd drive....
[05:08] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: I had a machine recently randomly crashing, put a live CD in the thing and it crashed a few hours later, turned out to be a ram io problem
[05:08] <genii> intelikey I find I have to set to terminate:yes  instead of auto most times, especially on 2940 29160   series etc
[05:08] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: i checked my ram with the live cd
[05:08] <soulrider> it didnt finish, but reported no errors, ill leave it overnight
[05:08] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: leave it running for a while
[05:08] <soulrider> its burning now....
[05:08] <soulrider> leave the CD running ?
[05:09] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: no the machine
[05:09] <soulrider> but using the live CD
[05:09] <soulrider> i mean
[05:09] <Linux_Galore> yes
[05:09] <soulrider> my computer NEVER turns off
[05:09] <intelikey> ewh 2940     aic7*
[05:09] <genii> And for some reason setting term  jumper on many Seagate SCSI endpoint drives doesn't take, need a hardware terminator on the cable
[05:09] <soulrider> and eveyr time it crashed i was using it
[05:09] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: if it crashes with the live cd you have a hardware issue if not you have an corruption issue
[05:10] <soulrider> could it be, that a hard drive is on my ide cable
[05:10] <flaccid> man its so hot in my office i need to go home and get a fan
[05:10] <soulrider> but its not connected to the power suply ?
[05:10] <flaccid> bbs
[05:10] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: how do i fix a corruption error ?
[05:10] <genii> fsck
[05:10] <genii> (usually)
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: well with hardisk you can run fsck or what I usually do first is replace or clean the IDE cable
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> then run fsck
[05:11] <genii> He has SCSI I think :)
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> yes IDE cables to fail
[05:11] <thechris> is there a good kde replacement for synaptic?
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> scsi too
[05:11] <thechris> other then adept-installer?
[05:11] <zerozero> thechris: apt
[05:11] <Norty> the chris  adept
[05:11] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: ill levae hte live CD overnight
[05:12] <soulrider> Jucato: you here ?
[05:12] <thechris> adpet is buggy
[05:12] <genii> soulrider At any rate it appears to be some hardware issue
[05:12] <Jucato> soulrider: yes
[05:13] <Jucato> thechris: you can always use Synaptic if you want
[05:13] <soulrider> Jucato: sorry about yesterday, today i remembered you were from the phillipines, NOT india
[05:13] <Linux_Galore> thechris: have you been running dpkg --configure -a just to make sure the updates are all done
[05:13] <Jucato> soulrider: hehe no problem
[05:13] <intelikey> genii  "Adaptec 2940 Ultra SCSI adapter"   have set things all sorts of ways and never one scsi related problem   but i only have a few drives on it.    seagate cheetas  and a matshita burner.
[05:13] <Linux_Galore> thechris: adept some times doesnt get the install script completed and jams up
[05:13] <thechris> Linux_Galore: this is a new install.  i decided to give kubuntu another try.  apdet was buggy 10 months ago, and the same bugs are still here
[05:13] <soulrider> ima ctually making room on my HD
[05:13] <soulrider> for windows XP
[05:13] <soulrider> i need some games...
[05:14] <soulrider> i feel like a slut, but oh well
[05:14] <Norty> thechris: what kind of "bug"
[05:14] <Norty> s?
[05:14] <Linux_Galore> thechris: I have no issues with adept and I run a network of the things
[05:14] <thechris> Norty: install firefox.  success.  click on adept, adept dies.  adept also only starts half of the time, I always need to re-click the icon.
[05:15] <Linux_Galore> thechris: this in dapper ?
[05:15] <thechris> 6.10
[05:15] <genii> intelikey I have a 29160N in this box with some ultra320 drives and it took a while to get setup properly under linux. adaptec bios was seeing all drives properly etc andI had to put some safe settings in therefor PNP etc and a physical terminator on the ribbon end
[05:15] <intelikey> genii i only mentioned that because you named it and i knew it was in the running box.
[05:15] <Linux_Galore> thechris: I had that in dapper but not edgy
[05:16] <thechris> Linux_Galore: it was in 6.10, and the one before 6.06
[05:16] <Linux_Galore> thechris: I found dpkg --configure -a  fixed it most times
[05:16] <intelikey> yes now the ultra320s do seem harder to play with.
[05:16] <Jucato> "sudo dpkg --configure -a" or "sudo apt-get -f install" usually fixes things
[05:17] <genii> intelikey Have it set up nice now as raid5 :)
[05:17] <intelikey> raid 5....
[05:18] <intelikey> ;/
[05:18] <genii> intelikey Yeah I have 8 36Gb U320 all matched Seagates. I have 2 raid 5, one for my FBSD 6.1 and 1 for my Ubuntu
[05:19] <genii> sets of 3 with 1 spare on each
[05:19] <soulrider> im gonna try and burn anothe rDVD
[05:19] <genii> I'm a freak for redundancy
[05:20] <ubuntu> hello all
[05:21] <genii> intelikey heh!
[05:21] <Jucato> s/abdocates/abdicates/
[05:21] <ubuntu> hello all
[05:21] <thechris> is there anything kubuntu specific for playing mp3s?  i know there is a guide for this in ubuntu
[05:22] <intelikey> oi   io
[05:22] <genii> intelikey The only issue is it sounds like an F16 trying to take off when I boot up which can be hell when you have hangovers
[05:22] <Jucato> thechris: amarok
[05:23] <Dr_willis> thechris,  the Kubuntu faq has some details on mp3 ussage in various programs.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> worth checking and bookmarking. :)
[05:23] <intelikey> thechris see vlc also
[05:23] <Dr_willis> i always have to refer to it on a new kubuntu install - to remond me of some pacakges to install.
[05:24] <intelikey> but i'm gonna point back at the problem    MP3  means   pay us for using it.      why not use free formats?
[05:25] <genii> flacc
[05:25] <genii> ogg  and so on
[05:25] <intelikey> !mp3
[05:25] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:25] <intelikey>           - But please use free formats if you can:
[05:25] <intelikey> and you can.
[05:26] <genii> Someone needs to make an   all2flacc   LOL
[05:26] <intelikey> believe me you can.
[05:28] <genii> My only prob with ogg is my standalone cd player only knows about mp3
[05:28] <intelikey> it doesn't play cdA ?
[05:28] <genii> So I sometimes need to convert to it for burning. But on the puter I just use ogg etc
[05:29] <stdin> I just take my portable media device with me (notice the non use of the term "mp3 player")
[05:29] <genii> Well you can put way more mp3 than cdda on a cd
[05:29] <intelikey> you can burn from ogg to cdA      errr i think.
[05:29] <thechris> do i need libdvdcss2 to watch DVDs?
[05:29] <genii> thechris Yes
[05:29] <Dr_willis> only protected ones. :)
[05:29] <Dr_willis> so for most comercial dvd's yes..
[05:30] <intelikey> genii yes.  you can put tons of .ogg on a cd
[05:30] <ubuntu> hello intelikey
[05:30] <genii> intelikey The only prob is my cd player doen't understand that format :( I wish like hell it did
[05:30] <intelikey> ubuntu
[05:30] <ubuntu> ?
[05:31] <ubuntu> intelikey:  how are you girl ?
[05:31] <intelikey> i'm lagging pretty badly still
[05:31] <intelikey> girl ?
[05:31] <pwn4tt4ck> intelikey is a girl?
[05:31] <ubuntu> :)
[05:31] <Jucato> lol
[05:32] <genii> Does it matter boy or girl? I think not
[05:32] <pwn4tt4ck> I think it does
[05:32] <pwn4tt4ck> being as I'm a woman hater
[05:32] <osiris> anyone know if its possible to use gkrellm to monitor a remote pc, like a webserver ?
[05:32] <pwn4tt4ck> jk about that, I love women -- but they shouldn't get equal pay
[05:32] <we6jbo> hi
[05:32] <intelikey> genii did no one tell you about the birds and the bees?
[05:33] <pwn4tt4ck> hey we6jbo
[05:33] <ubuntu> yes
[05:33] <ubuntu> a sexy girl
[05:33] <pwn4tt4ck> SERIOUS TECHNICAL QUESTION: who else hates shaving?
[05:34] <genii> intelikey LOL What I mean is that since here in cyberspace it doesn't matter what sex we are, etc
[05:34] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: im gonna burn another DVD and see if i crash
[05:34] <Dr_willis> pwn4tt4ck,  with that 5 blade razor i got the other day.. its not too bad. :)
[05:34] <genii> soulrider You are one glutton fer punishment
[05:34] <soulrider> genii:  ?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> if i use a cheap disposible... it looke like i am trying to  commit suicide...
[05:35] <soulrider> Dr_willis: i use one of those electric shavers
[05:35] <genii> soulrider Well, since you must have a stack of coasters by now
 intelikey LOL What I mean is that since here in cyberspace it doesn't matter what sex we are, etc  <<<< i see how genii is trained to think.....   8[
[05:35] <soulrider> not really
[05:36] <Dr_willis> electrics just seem to give me a rash.. i only shave once a month or so anyway. :)
[05:36] <pwn4tt4ck> Dr_willis: the fusion? that cuts me all the hell up :\
[05:36] <soulrider> Dr_willis: im too lazy to shave lol
[05:36] <soulrider> lol, this is like major offtopic
[05:36] <Dr_willis> pwn4tt4ck,  i got one in the mail the other day.. has a 'back' blade also for tricky places. :)
[05:36] <genii> <-- shaves for weddings, funerals   and trims when mustache starts interfering with food intake
[05:36] <soulrider> genii: its burning :)
[05:36] <pwn4tt4ck> Dr_willis: I never use the back blade, doesnt work :\  I prefer the mach3 by gillette
[05:37] <Dr_willis> I let my beard grow.. and its so sparce its looks like im 'shaggy' on scooby doo.
[05:37] <soulrider> lol Dr_willis
[05:37] <soulrider> i look like woverine =/
[05:37] <genii> soulrider Cool :) What changes if any did you make?
[05:37] <soulrider> just take the calws and the muscles :P
[05:37] <soulrider> no changes lol
[05:37] <Dr_willis> i can let it grow for 7 moths and i look like a man with ... a patchy beard...
[05:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:37] <soulrider> i think knetwork manager might be behind all this
[05:37] <soulrider> my beard doesnt have a shape either
[05:37] <soulrider> actually
[05:38] <genii> coulda just been a bad dvd then. Like I said earlier I see on average about 3 in a 100 spindle
[05:38] <soulrider> its really weird
[05:38] <soulrider> i look like one of those 70s guys with massive sideburns
[05:38] <soulrider> genii: i never waste a disk
[05:38] <soulrider> after a crash
[05:38] <soulrider> i allways tried with the same disc lol
[05:38] <soulrider> but the thing is
[05:38] <soulrider> my comp crashed also while not trying to burn anything
[05:39] <soulrider> thats whats scarying me
[05:39] <genii> I look like Shaggy cept longer hair and beard :) And a bit grey now that I'm gettin to be a geezer
[05:39] <soulrider> lol
[05:39] <soulrider> intelikey: i kind of agree with geniiwith the "you dont know who youre talking to, male female or alien" statement
[05:39] <Dr_willis> My brothers Girlfriends's little girl was very shy... but she ran right up to me the other day... she thought i WAS Shaggy... asked me where 'Scooby was at?'
[05:40] <soulrider> LOOOOL
[05:40] <genii> soulrider Well, so you should do at least some basic diagnostics, like run memtest for a few hours to see if ram is going, fsck the HD etc
[05:40] <Dr_willis> told her the Pomerinian i had was Scrappy Doo...
[05:40] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:40] <intelikey> soulrider you would.
[05:40] <intelikey> soulrider not a studant of human nature are you ?
[05:40] <soulrider> no
[05:40] <soulrider> i study computer engineering :P
[05:40] <ubuntu> re
[05:41] <thechris> anyone remember the name of that gtk-qt theme engine thing?
[05:41] <genii> oulrider i like ya already ya freak :)
[05:41] <genii> ROFL
[05:41] <Jucato> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ?
[05:41] <Dr_willis> !find gtk-qt
[05:41] <ubotu> Found: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[05:41] <ubuntu> there are geeks ?
[05:41] <thechris> ah
[05:41] <genii> no, geeks eat live animals. I'm a freak
[05:41] <soulrider> but i think its cool, that since you dont know who youre talking to, you end up treating people the way you normally would with anyone
[05:41] <Dr_willis> Greeks?
[05:41] <soulrider> for all you know, i could bea  drag-queen
[05:41] <Dr_willis> they eat... err.. those gyros right?  Yumm... man. the last Gyros place in town shut down the other day also. :(
[05:42] <soulrider> whats a gyro ?
[05:42] <genii> ntelikey I was raised on the Mushroom Theory
[05:42] <ubuntu> genii the geek :D
[05:42] <soulrider> mushroom theory ?
[05:43] <Theory> llama llama duck
[05:43] <genii> ubuntu No no geeks eat live animals. I'm a freak
[05:43] <soulrider> as in, magic mushroom, 1 up mushroom or hallucination mushroom?   Something good grows
[05:44] <soulrider> i hate pepper too :P
[05:44] <Dr_willis> Pepper owns! :)
[05:44] <soulrider> lol genii
[05:44] <soulrider> lol
[05:45] <genii> Dr_willis I empathise, I really really do
[05:45] <intelikey> spice is the spice of life
[05:45] <intelikey> or maybe not.
[05:45] <ubuntu> lol genii
[05:45] <Dr_willis> Been Living on Bannannas and pudding lately. :)
[05:46] <soulrider> i liuke the spice melange (will only make sense to those who have read Dune)
[05:46] <soulrider> Dr_willis: bananas and cie cream...  yumiiiiii
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Bannanna Ice Cream
[05:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:46] <genii> Dr_willis I had a bad bleeding ulcer when I worked for a big nameless corporate place. I think I lived on nutrition shakes for a year after that
[05:46] <soulrider> i dont like that that much :P
[05:46] <thechris> i thought the gtk2-engine-gtk-qt was supposed to get rid of the gtk dialogs in kde
[05:47] <intelikey> soulrider or saw the flic
[05:47] <Dr_willis> i thought it  allowed you to share gtk/qt themes so the apps looks the same...
[05:47] <soulrider> intelikey: the movies arent too good
[05:47] <thechris> Dr_willis: hmm, maybe it was kgtk that changed the dialogs.  i can't stand gtk dialogs
[05:48] <thechris> and of course, no kgtk packages
[05:48] <intelikey> didn't say that.  jsut that i never read the book and caught the spice comment
[05:48] <intelikey> @ soulrider
[05:48] <soulrider> ok
[05:48] <soulrider> i want a gaming console
[05:48] <soulrider> im kinda tired of my NES
[05:49] <genii> I hear Wii  are fun :)
[05:49] <soulrider> ye
[05:49] <soulrider> si want a wii
[05:49] <genii> I wonder if someone will hack them for linux
[05:49] <soulrider> although they will probably never sell them here
[05:49] <soulrider> or sell them for around $600 like they did with the gamecube
[05:49] <soulrider> or $700 like the ps2
[05:49] <soulrider> genii: theres a project alled wiili
[05:50] <ubuntu> i am a geek
[05:50] <genii> very cool :) There was some freak before who built XBox clusters
[05:50] <Dr_willis> i thought the wii was running linux...
[05:50] <Dr_willis> i forget where i saw that at however...
[05:50] <intelikey> hi geek i'm an indian
[05:51] <soulrider> intelikey: youre indian ?
[05:51] <intelikey> genii can i have a chicken too ?
[05:51] <genii> Sorry just one of my pet peeves.  :P
[05:52] <intelikey> !botsnack
[05:52] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:52] <genii> heh!
[05:53] <intelikey> soulrider no.  but i'm a texan if it makes you feel better
[05:53] <genii> I wonder what ubotu diet consists of
[05:53] <stdin> i'm still waiting for the botsmack command
[05:53] <ubuntu> non the chicken is for me :D
[05:53] <genii> is that anything like godsmack?
[05:53] <stdin> more like a bitchslap :P
[05:53] <soulrider> ubotu eats users that dont RTFM :P
 i'm still waiting for the botsmack command ^^^<ubotu> Yum!
[05:54] <soulrider> and he diecides to tlak to me....
[05:54] <genii> !yum
[05:54] <ubotu> yum: Advanced front-end for rpm. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-3.1 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 960 kB
[05:54] <soulrider> he said
[05:54] <soulrider> botsMack
[05:54] <soulrider> !smack
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:54] <genii> I guess he doesn't have a drug habit yet :)
[05:55] <soulrider> !my mom
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about my mom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <flaccid> !pipe
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pipe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <flaccid> !find pipe
[05:55] <intelikey> no !botsnack   yeilds <ubotu> Yum!
[05:55] <ubotu> Found: aespipe, cl-pipes, courier-authlib-pipe, cpipe, libvanessa-socket-pipe (and 9 others)
[05:55] <flaccid> hes got lots of pipes
[05:55] <flaccid> i think hes hiding something
[05:55] <genii> ubotu is moonlighting as a plumber
[05:55] <flaccid> ah thats the laundering
[05:56] <intelikey> ubotu error | ubotu
[05:56] <ubotu> ubotu: Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Hi guys
[05:56] <genii> I wonder if he can execute other things... like !ping
[05:56] <soulrider> hi DaSkreech
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Why is ubotu talking to it self?
[05:56] <soulrider> lol
[05:56] <soulrider> hes feeling alone
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Better than feeling me :)
[05:57] <soulrider> !being loved
[05:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about being loved - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:57] <intelikey> lol
[05:57] <soulrider> see, hes lonely the poor bot!
[05:57] <genii> I'd vote for that
[05:57] <DaSkreech> How do I unmount a device that keeps assuming it's busy?
[05:57] <soulrider> reboot :P
[05:57] <soulrider> that works for me
[05:57] <genii> For those frustrating times he has no good answers 5 times in a row
[05:57] <soulrider> and windows users
[05:58] <intelikey> DaSkreech sudo eject   it
[05:58] <genii> DaSkreech First make sure you are not sitting some program in a subdir of the place you want to unmount
[05:58] <DaSkreech> intelikey: By Device I mean a hard drive
[05:58] <genii> eg: /mnt/cdrom$ umount /cdrom
[05:59] <DaSkreech> genii: I've locked down everything but KDE
[05:59] <intelikey> DaSkreech yes.
[05:59] <genii> yeah eject -t   works
[05:59] <soulrider> yesterday i did something funny, and it didnt crash my PC. I uninstalled XFCE while using it
[05:59] <soulrider> it was cool
[05:59] <soulrider> linux is cool
[05:59] <intelikey> why close the tray ???
[06:00] <intelikey> makes a good cup holder
[06:00] <thechris> how do i install a .deb file?
[06:00] <genii> t means open the tray if it's closed, close the tray if it's open
[06:00] <stdin> !deb
[06:00] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[06:01] <thechris> ok, that worked, but the package isn't installed
[06:01] <genii> thechris dpkg -i /thepath/t/thedebfile.deb
[06:01] <intelikey> soulrider i have rm'd / while in mc   and no crash
[06:01] <DaSkreech> thechris: How do you know?
[06:01] <DaSkreech> hmm
[06:01] <thechris> DaSkreech: the app should have install kgtk-wrapper.sh
[06:01] <intelikey> it does look odd to be in a file manager on a blank drive that used to be the os   though
[06:01] <DaSkreech> when I try to ls a folder on this mounted device it seems to hang
[06:02] <thechris> the default would be /usr/local/bin, or some /bin
[06:02] <DaSkreech> thechris: how did you install it?
[06:02] <thechris> but which shows no kgtk-wrapper.sh
[06:02] <soulrider> ok guys
[06:02] <soulrider> its 3 am
[06:02] <soulrider> im going to bed
[06:02] <soulrider> see you!!
[06:02] <genii> soulrider Sweet dreams :)
[06:02] <thechris> DaSkreech: using konqueror, then again just now with dpkg -i
[06:02] <stdin> hah, it's 5am here
[06:03] <genii> midnight here
[06:03] <DaSkreech> thechris: What's the name of the package?
[06:03] <intelikey> of all the bleedin' places to live
[06:03] <thechris> kgtk-0.8-1-amd64.deb
[06:04] <DaSkreech> And that's the only package that's needed?
[06:05] <genii> crap can't recall the listdeps switch
[06:05] <intelikey> estimated time to stop lagging 15 minutes
[06:05] <ubuntu> re
[06:05] <thechris> DaSkreech: according to the deb
[06:05] <stdin> DaSkreech: it's just a script with some LD_PRELOAD stuff, it only depends on kde
[06:05] <intelikey> downloading cd's on dialup is slow.
[06:05] <intelikey> genii dpkg -l
[06:06] <fiendskull9> hey
[06:06] <fiendskull9> how do i turn off the bouncing icon that is triggered when i launch a program?
[06:06] <intelikey> genii dpkg -l | grep package-name      or dpkg -L package-name
[06:06] <DaSkreech> Launch notification
[06:06] <genii> intelikey Yes. I d/l one time an iso over 9600 , took from Dec 27 to Jan 3
[06:07] <thechris> DaSkreech: ok, i found it.  the file was renamed and moved.
[06:07] <intelikey> the first lists all installed and parses for a name the second lists the installed content of the package
[06:07] <DaSkreech> thechris: Where to?
[06:07] <ubuntu> *
[06:07] <thechris> from usr/local/bin to /usr/bin, and the .sh was removed
[06:07] <fiendskull9> DaSkreech: where do i disable launch notification?
[06:08] <DaSkreech> OK going to try a quick reboot
[06:08] <DaSkreech> <read as restart X>
[06:08] <ubuntu> re
[06:08] <ubuntu> there is any somebody ?
[06:08] <intelikey> take your time. do a full reboot
[06:08] <intelikey> heh
[06:09] <thechris> oh, gtk...
[06:09] <thechris> ** (.:8854): CRITICAL **: gtk_pizza_set_size: assertion `pizza != NULL' failed
[06:09] <ubuntu> is there*
[06:09] <we6jbo_> I have a question
[06:09] <DaSkreech> !ask
[06:09] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:10] <we6jbo_> Is there a way to run a server
[06:10] <we6jbo_> umm
[06:10] <we6jbo_> a news server
[06:10] <DaSkreech> shortanswer is yes :)
[06:10] <genii> !nntpd
[06:10] <we6jbo_> what's that called a news server
[06:10] <thechris> hmm, kgtk and vlc don't work together.
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nntpd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:10] <genii> you lie ubotu! LOL
[06:10] <we6jbo_> ya NNTP
[06:10] <we6jbo_> How do you run that?
[06:10] <pwn4tt4ck> is serious technical discussion going on?
[06:11] <we6jbo_> ya
[06:11] <we6jbo_> I want to run a NNTP server
[06:11] <pwn4tt4ck> k I'll go to offtopic :D
[06:11] <DaSkreech> we6jbo_: Try nntpd :)
[06:11] <pwn4tt4ck> what is nntp?
[06:11] <genii> we6jbo Try to find the package you need by:   apt-cache search nntpd
[06:11] <we6jbo_> Does one come with Ubuntu?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> pwn4tt4ck: network news transmission Protocol afair
[06:11] <ubuntu> the chrios ?
[06:11] <ubuntu> what ?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Eh?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> huh?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:12] <intelikey> nntp - An NNTP server for use with C News
[06:12] <we6jbo_> pwn4tt4ck, NNTP allows you to run news servers that you connect to with a program such as outlook
[06:12] <ubuntu> what do you want ?
[06:12] <intelikey> no 'd' genii
[06:12] <genii> intelikey My *bsd habits poking thru :)
[06:12] <pwn4tt4ck> oh ok
[06:13] <intelikey> sn - Small NNTP server for leaf sites
[06:14] <genii> bah leaf is a pita
[06:14] <DaSkreech> k3b won't burn CDs :(
[06:15] <we6jbo_> what's sn?
[06:16] <ubuntu> tall not small
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> DaSkreech: audio cds from mp3s, or any cds?
[06:16] <intelikey> python-twisted-news - An NNTP protocol implementation with client and server
[06:16] <intelikey> python2.4-twisted-news - An NNTP protocol implementation with client and server
[06:16] <genii> python is good :)
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Right now any. I'm trying to see if it's the CD Drive
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> not sure then
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Grr Plan D
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> tried gnomebaker?
[06:16] <ubuntu> php not python
[06:17] <Daisuke_Ido> not pleasant
[06:17] <Daisuke_Ido> but workable
[06:17] <intelikey> do it with snake oil !
[06:17] <genii> buntu It's all good including perl
 python is good :)  <intelikey> do it with snake oil !
[06:17] <Daisuke_Ido> yes yes, i caught that :P
[06:17] <genii> intelikey LOL
[06:17] <intelikey> ruby
[06:18] <intelikey> perl
[06:18] <intelikey> emerald
[06:18] <intelikey> diamond
[06:18] <Pupeno_> There's a maximum length in file names ? I can't belive it...
[06:18] <genii> Also a limit of directory depth