[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:38] <kfunk> how stable would you consider 16.04 at this point? anyone running it yet? :)
[08:38] <kfunk> (I have some bigger issues with the Kubuntu Backports PPA on 15.10, and I'd like to upgrade)
[08:39] <clivejo> kfunk: Ive been running it for few months and has been stable for me
[08:40] <clivejo> but it is a work in progress and might break
[08:40] <kfunk> ok, perfect.
[08:40] <kfunk> sure
[08:40] <clivejo> what are the issues with backports?
[08:58] <kfunk> clivejo: korganizer broken
[08:59] <kfunk> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352256
[09:54] <clivejo> kfunk: what version of apps have you installed?
[09:57] <kfunk> clivejo: hm? how do I figure out? 'apps' is generic...
[09:57] <clivejo> the package version number please
[09:57] <clivejo> like 15.12.1
[09:59] <clivejo> or 15.08.3
[10:00] <clivejo> yofel: would you have time to add me to the KCI admin group please?
[10:08] <clivejo> kfunk: KDE release Kontact in the apps suite, the sourcecode is here - http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/
[10:09] <clivejo> the most recent release is 15.12.1
[10:09] <clivejo> sorry 15.12.2
[10:09] <yofel> clivejo: what exactly do you need it for? Can't scarlett do the changes?
[10:10] <clivejo> we are working on 15.12.1 but having problems with kontact and itrs stack
[10:10] <clivejo> yofel: to learn and add some new packages upstream have added
[10:10] <clivejo> I asked her and she said she doesnt know how
[10:11] <yofel> do you?
[10:11] <clivejo> Id like to add libgapi and kactivitymanager
[10:12] <clivejo> and fix some debian git repo's
[10:12] <clivejo> at the moment I dont know, but I was going to try and learn
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:06] <clivejo> hi sgclark
[14:07] <sgclark> morning
[14:07] <clivejo> hows you today?
[14:07] <sgclark> just woke up. ask me after at least one cup of coffee
[14:08] <clivejo> I always find thats a bad idea :P
[14:08] <mamarley> ^Where is genii when you need him. ;p
[14:08] <sgclark> coffee or waking up?
[14:08] <clivejo> LOL
[14:08] <clivejo> coming on IRC when you just woke up
[14:09] <mamarley> sgclark: Coffee.  He is the one who is always coming on here and giving people virtual coffee.
[14:09] <sgclark> oh yes. it is. tis why I am alway grumpy in the morning
[14:09] <clivejo> he gives me virtual whiskey
[14:09] <sgclark> mamarley: lol yeah I know, I was responding to clivejo bad idea
[14:09]  * clivejo licks lips
[14:09] <mamarley> Oh, sorry.
[14:11] <sgclark> no need to be sorry lol
[14:35] <justin_time> Hi, I'm working on the tomahawk package (LP: #1487729). yofel guides me to open a sponsoring request and a FeatureFreezeExeption request. At the moment, I'm waiting for a second review of the package but I have no luck to find someone, who review and sponsor this package. The Kubuntu Developers are the maintainers of the old tomahawk package. Would it be possible that you guys could check my changes, adopt them and
[14:35] <justin_time> update the old tomahawk package?
[14:38] <clivejo> does a FFE apply to all the archive?
[14:41] <clivejo> justin_time: where is the package you need reviewed?
[14:42] <justin_time> clivejo: https://code.launchpad.net/~justin-time/ubuntu/xenial/tomahawk/bug-1487729
[14:45] <clivejo> justin_time: is it built on LP anywhere?
[14:46] <justin_time> clivejo: uh, I think not this version exactly, moment, I'll upload it to my PPA…
[15:15] <justin_time> clivejo: you can find a build of the latest bazaar branch here: https://launchpad.net/~justin-time/+archive/ubuntu/tomahawk-player
[16:25] <snele> please guys cherrypick this patch to fix systray missing icons issue
[16:25] <snele> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-workspace.git&a=commit&h=6a26adb50c0bfce031df55bf200ebc7f44420301
[16:25] <snele> for xenial
[16:39] <clivejo> snele: is it in 5.5.5?
[16:49] <snele> clivejo: yea I now its in 5.5.5 :)
[17:02] <denza242> Is CI working again :x
[17:04] <Riddell> clivejo: it is now yes
[17:04] <denza242> :O
[17:04] <denza242> ohi Riddell
[17:04] <Riddell> hola
[17:48] <kfunk> is there any update planned for kdepim? it's still at 5.0.2 afaics, which is pretty out of date
[18:23] <sgclark> L2RL4qKYv
[18:23] <Sho_> oops
[18:23] <sgclark> sigh
[18:24] <SilentGhost> sgclark: channel is logged ;)
[18:25] <sgclark> yes. clearly this vm is in the process of being trashed
[18:37] <soee> this day is sponosred by number 5, three times! 5.5.5 :)
[19:26] <clivejo> grrrr is this thing on?
[19:26] <mamarley> Yep, it is on.
[19:26]  * clivejo pokes the mic
[19:26] <mamarley> *feedback squeals*
[19:26] <clivejo> oupss
[19:27] <clivejo> it keeps disconnecting
[19:27] <clivejo> I wonder is it KDE Bouncer or Freenode
[19:27] <mamarley> clivejo: I don't see any disconnects for you recently.
[19:28] <mamarley> So it is probably something between you and the bouncer.
[19:28] <clivejo> maybe its local connection
[19:35] <clivejo> why is KCI so slow?
[20:32] <sgclark> clivejo: how is kolab coming along?
[20:32] <clivejo> sgclark: what part!?
[20:32] <sgclark> yofel: maybe you need to ping/talk to someone about Ffe? seems like it is taking a long time
[20:33] <sgclark> clivejo: the part you were working on? pim still needs it ?
[20:34] <clivejo> Im working on the whole server stack
[20:35] <sgclark> server stack? wat? All we need is a debian merge with the branches they are using.
[20:36] <sgclark> libkolab and libkolabxml
[20:36] <clivejo> Kolab is a groupware server
[20:37] <clivejo> like an open sourced Exchange server
[20:37] <sgclark> I am aware of what it is. but kdepim-runtime depends on libkolab -> libkolabxml and you said you were working on that
[20:37] <clivejo> libkolab is a tiny part of it
[20:37] <sgclark> Kubuntu cares nothing for the server stack
[20:38] <sgclark> we are not server
[20:38] <clivejo> no but kontact is the client :P
[20:38] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_libkolab/
[20:40] <sgclark> ok I am done going in circles about this. We will ship without pim.
[20:40] <clivejo> copy those packages
[20:40] <clivejo> from KCI
[20:41] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_libkolabxml/
[20:43] <snele> "<sgclark> ok I am done going in circles about this. We will ship without pim"
[20:43] <snele> that would be great
[20:44] <snele> no buggy cpu/memory sucking software by default
[20:45] <sgclark> Well they picked a bad time to decide ABI is not important. So it is probably best. Sadly we are still stuck in the mud until ubuntu-release decides to approve our FFe
[20:45] <clivejo> sgclark:  can you add libgapi to KCI?
[20:46] <sgclark> clivejo: hmm they merged my pull request. should have already. oh script. right. running now.
[20:47] <sgclark> oh ruby how I hate you so.
[20:51] <clivejo> also plasma/kactivitymanagerd if you get a chance
[20:51] <sgclark> those in thoery will update with the script I am running
[20:51] <sgclark> iff I understand all this correctly now..
[20:51] <clivejo> I asked Phil to add me to KCI admin, but dont think hes had time
[20:52] <clivejo> either that of hes afraid Ill break it!
[20:52] <sgclark> well it should be developers only as there is alot to it
[20:52] <sgclark> you will get there soon I expect.
[20:53] <clivejo> oh ok
[20:53] <clivejo> I been trying to fix KCI
[20:53] <sgclark> yeah me too.
[20:53] <clivejo> but need those packages
[20:54] <sgclark> script is running
[20:54] <sgclark> I had permissions errors last two days but sitter got me all sorted out. sorry for the delay.
[20:56] <sgclark> at least I hope it is sorted
[20:58] <clivejo> sgclark: will you be attending the meeting tomorrow?
[20:59] <sgclark> what meeting ? where?
[21:00] <clivejo> Kubuntu CoreTeam before the podcast?
[21:01] <sgclark> sure
[21:28] <clivejo> finally!!
[21:33] <clivejo> sgclark: do you know where to find Qt5DesignerConfig.cmake?
[21:33] <clivejo> ah qttools5-dev
[21:34] <clivejo> Ill add that to build dep
[21:35] <sgclark> yeah that is what google tells me
[21:37] <clivejo> KCI is sooooo slow!
[21:37] <clivejo> usually by this time the queue is clear and I can use it to test build#
[21:42] <clivejo> sgclark: have you removed the packages from kdepimlibs which have been moved to akonadi?
[21:42] <sgclark> what?
[21:43] <sgclark> I have removed nothing
[21:43] <sgclark> unless the script did dunno
[21:43] <clivejo> BTW how do you know what packages to create?
[21:45] <clivejo> like how did you know you needed to create these new packages in this commit - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/akonadi.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=5824b51c3e3e8efd2fc383d420df3b6c28666fc1
[21:45] <sgclark> package name will match library name is all I know.  All of the -data -bin split stuff is new to me and I am still not clear on what determines that. yofel will be more help here.
[21:46] <yofel> There's no fixed policy for those, best practices at best.
[21:46] <clivejo> took me ages to figure out that they werent new packages, just moved from kdepimlibs
[21:47] <yofel> -data is a solution to prevent too much arch-indep stuff getting duplicated in different binary packages on different architectures (there's a lintian warning for that actually)
[21:47] <clivejo> santa and I almost had a falling out :P
[21:47] <sgclark> oh. so I suspect pimlibs needs fixing.
[21:47] <yofel> -bin is for non-multiarch binary files and runtime lib / bin stuff like libexec
[21:47] <clivejo> yup, it will need all those packages removed as they are now in akonadi
[21:48] <clivejo> can I work on that?
[21:48] <clivejo> Ive just grabbed a clone
[21:48] <sgclark> clivejo: well you should have seen that I made the commit, yet you did not bother to ask me? last I heard was something about symbols.
[21:49] <clivejo> sgclark: it was while you had the migraine, I didnt want to bother you :(
[21:49] <sgclark> ahh well thanks for that then. sorry for forgetting git add
[21:49] <sgclark> seems like debcommit should ddo that..
[21:50] <clivejo> it was easy enough once I figure out the migration was from kdepimlibs
[21:50] <sgclark> and feel free with kdepimlibs. I am busy fighting with my own servers. Out of time for kubuntu for today.
[21:51] <clivejo> what servers are you fighting?
[21:52] <sgclark> my personal web/mail servers. nothing to do with kubuntu
[21:52] <clivejo> is anyone else seeing a blank page - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/akonadi.git/tree/debian/control?h=kubuntu_unstable
[21:52] <clivejo> sgclark: have you used kolab?
[21:53] <genii> clivejo: Sure looks empty here
[21:53] <sgclark> blank yes - kolab no
[21:53] <clivejo> weird
[21:54] <clivejo> the plain text link works :/
[22:22] <genii> Yay, a "Yippee" :)
[22:52] <sitter> sgclark: permission issues solved?
[22:52] <sitter> I also add notes to the wiki documentation for KCI as that is a fairly opaque issue
[22:54] <clivejo> where does usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/designer/akonadi5widgets.so belong?
[22:55] <sitter> clivejo: -dev
[22:55] <sitter> designer is a ui development tool http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtdesigner-manual.html
[22:55] <clivejo> sitter: libkf5akonadiserver-dev.install?
[22:56] <sgclark> sitter: the admin thing. Resolved that issue. thanks
[22:56] <sitter> clivejo: depends on the widgets it contains
[22:57] <sgclark> clivejo: are you certain there are stable/unstable branches for the kactivities split?
[22:57] <sgclark> cuz ci seems to think not.
[22:57] <clivejo> sgclark: not yet
[22:57] <sgclark> oh
[22:57] <sgclark> well then that is why..
[22:57] <clivejo> will I create them?
[22:58] <sgclark> sure go for it. those are in namespace we have perma permissions to create in.
[23:03] <clivejo> created stable and unstable
[23:04] <clivejo> will it make it into xenial?
[23:05] <sgclark> lol. wew cannot even get approval for the current FFe. one step at a time...
[23:05] <sgclark> at this rate we will not have an xenial release
[23:05] <sgclark> oh well I tried.
[23:06] <clivejo> I guess it will be xenial backports :P
[23:06] <clivejo> create that branch when we get to it!
[23:06] <sgclark> lol
[23:08] <clivejo> sgclark: where are the actual xenial unstable builds?
[23:08] <clivejo> I can see the merger
[23:08] <sgclark> oh. I probably have to run that script again. running
[23:12] <clivejo> sgclark: why has KCI recently started looking for kio stable - http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_kio/
[23:12] <clivejo> we dont have a stable branch in git
[23:12] <sgclark> clivejo: I noticed that too.  I think 22 is mostly stable
[23:20] <sitter> if it breaks you'll have to hunt down clemens to get the server hard reset though
[23:20] <clivejo> I think the problem is LP being slow
[23:20] <sitter> well
[23:20] <sgclark> heh, for now I will leave it :)
[23:20] <clivejo> seems to take forever to publish
[23:21] <sitter> the executors are a bottleneck before lp
[23:21] <sitter> if you open more executors you can expand as many builds as you want as long as they get built by lp within some 4 hours or so
[23:21] <sitter> trouble is the mergers that run once a day
[23:22] <sitter> they essentially cause 300 ruby processes to be forked and run through a semaphore that only lets 5 concurrent network transactions run (because git.kde only allows that many)
[23:22] <sitter> combined with actual build load that in the past *supposedly* blew the server into ENORESOURCES requiring a hard reset
[23:23] <sitter> I never quite figured out why it happens. but I know that the fewer executors you have open the less likely it is to happen
[23:23] <sitter> that said. some times KCI worked fine with 32 executors for multiple weeks
[23:23] <sitter> it's fairly random really :/
[23:23] <sitter> clivejo: you should go talk to someone about the publishing delay :P
[23:24] <clivejo> is this like when I talked to Martin about the "Windows" key?
[23:24] <sitter> I dunno
[23:24] <sitter> we do not talk about the Windows key
[23:24] <sitter> we == all of linux
[23:25] <clivejo> or being sent to buy a tin of tartan paint?
[23:25] <sitter> maybe that
[23:25] <sitter> generally the launchpad people are very responsive though
[23:25] <sitter> also KCI usually notices issues much more than other services because of the amount of stuff it throws at launchpad
[23:26] <clivejo> is KCI IP address static?
[23:27] <sitter> yeah
[23:28] <clivejo> ah good
[23:28] <clivejo> FreeNode have whitelisted it
[23:28] <clivejo> so that problem should be fixed


[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[13:58] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:59] <genii> czajkowski: Is that a greeting or a farewell? ;)
[13:59] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, \o
[14:13] <czajkowski> genii: it's just me :)
[14:13] <czajkowski> in Paris currently
[14:13] <genii> Nice
[14:17] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, why noy bonjour
[14:29] <czajkowski> smartboyhw: because I always do aloha
[14:41] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, sometimes changing habits help;)
[15:28] <czajkowski> huats: I am in Paris :) Salut :)
[15:43] <huats> czajkowski: hehe :)


[01:38] <nerdopolis> In https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2016398 I have a script that replicates an overlayfs issue that I discovered, I was able to narrow it down to a single downstream commit. is there any more info that I need?
[01:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-kernel- Launchpad bug 2016398 in linux (Ubuntu) "stacked overlay file system mounts that have chroot() called against them appear to be getting locked (by the kernel most likely?)" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[01:44] <sarnold> nerdopolis: nice :) thanks
[01:58] <nerdopolis> seems related to shiftfs https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/lunar/commit/?h=master-next&id=4f140b79ec36db30c9ba2118d966d875bef2a59b I don't know nearly enough on how to fix it though, but yeah, with my scripts, despite the mount namespaces that I mount my overlayfses in being long gone, lsmod says I have several thousand references to the overlayfs module, and the only way to fix it is to
[01:58] <nerdopolis> reboot
[01:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-kernel- Commit 4f140b7 in ~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/lunar "UBUNTU: SAUCE: overlayfs: fix incorrect mnt_id of files opened from map_files"
[12:26] <patersonc[m]> Hello, I have a question... If one wants to make changes to config.common.ubuntu, does one submit a patch to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Or are these Debian configs generated from upstream Linux configs?
[13:02] <arighi> patersonc[m], you can make a change directly to config.common.ubuntu, we (kernel team) maintain our own configs for the Ubuntu kernels. Optionally you can also add a note to debian.<kernel>/config/annotations to make sure your config changes are enforced
[13:03] <arighi> patersonc[m], starting with lunar 22.04 we merged evertyhing into annotations, so the configs are completely generated from the data defined in the annotations file (see https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/kernel-configuration-in-ubuntu/35857)
[13:14] <patersonc[m]> Thank you arighi!


[11:38] <tmus> Since this morning, plugging my laptop into my office monitor, it blanks after exactly 30 seconds (it's configured to 5 minutes). What's even more annoying; it's configured to lock on sleep, but it doesn't... Which causes muscle memory to keep sending my password to random open windows. What could be causing this?
[11:48] <tmus> update... powered my system off/back on and now it behaves as expected... weird.


[02:07] <rick_h> jcastro: any new word on juju/rackspace than this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/166102/how-do-i-configure-juju-for-deployment-on-rackspace-cloud
[02:07] <rick_h> jcastro: https://twitter.com/jessenoller/status/355757374906183680 has me kind of curious
[11:14] <rick_h> morning
[12:09] <rick_h> sweet, goldieblox in AMZ! http://www.amazon.com/Goldie-Blox-The-Spinning-Machine/dp/B00BCXU3PQ/
[12:50] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:51] <snap-l> Man I want to go back to bed
[12:52] <rick_h> +1
[12:52] <rick_h> neither the body nor mind are willing today
[12:53] <rick_h> but big day today...going to be a fun ride
[12:55] <snap-l> Where are you headed?
[12:55] <rick_h> heh, it's a sit at my desk and watch the show kind of ride
[12:55] <rick_h> but my 'shed' arrives today as well so party party
[12:55] <rick_h> get to build something
[12:55] <snap-l> Ah, so more of a "let things wash over me"
[12:55] <snap-l> What sort of shedpocalypse hath thou wrought?
[12:56] <rick_h> heh
[13:05] <brousch> Knowing rick_h, it's probably a airplane hangar
[13:05] <rick_h> brousch: no, I had to scale back after getting the camper this year
[13:05] <rick_h> so it's a small plastic thing big enough for lawn gear and about it
[13:05] <rick_h> but getting the lawn gear out of the garage will be yay!
[13:06] <snap-l> plus alternate sleepnig arrangements whenever rick_h is in the doghouse. :)
[13:06] <rick_h> that's what the camper is for :P
[13:07] <rick_h> so long guest room!
[13:07] <snap-l> Assuming Erica doesn't change the locks. :)
[13:07] <rick_h> psh, she can barely figure out how to unlock it :P
[13:08] <rick_h> on our second trip she went to the camper and came back with the keys in hand saying she couldn't get it to unlock
[13:08] <rick_h> there are two locks on there and they move in different directions so she kept unlocking one and locking the other
[13:08] <snap-l> If it's the camper locks I remember, they were all keyed differently and had a tumbler mechanism that was mostly a suggestion
[13:09] <snap-l> You had a better chance of picking the lock than of using the proper key.
[14:06] <rick_h> woot! https://jujucharms.com/
[14:06] <rick_h> it's alive!
[14:29] <snap-l> rick_h: Congratulations!
[14:30] <rick_h> and there's one bad config value breaking it and we're all chickens with our heads cut off yay
[14:31] <snap-l> Of course. :)
[14:31] <snap-l> It wouldn't be a launch without someone forgetting the baking powder.
[15:11] <rick_h> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mspwQfoYQks for a video put together showing it off
[15:12] <jrwren> rick_h: congrats.
[15:12] <rick_h> once you can get past the keyboard typing in the video :/
[15:35]  * rick_h gets some popcorn to read the comments section http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/22/ubuntu-smartphone-canonical/
[15:42] <smoser> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge/x/4032960
[15:42] <smoser> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
[15:42] <rick_h> yea, I was suckered in and signed up
[15:42] <rick_h> wasn't planning on it, but the video talked me into it :)
[15:43] <rick_h> but clearly the updated juju-gui release is a MUCH bigger story than some fancy hardware stuff :P
[15:43] <rick_h> #poorreleasedateplanning
[15:43] <smoser> rick_h, so you put in $600 ?
[15:43] <smoser> i'm tempted
[15:43] <rick_h> smoser: yea
[15:44] <rick_h> smoser: if they don't reach the goal it gets refunded and I'm lokoing to buy a new phone anyway
[15:44] <brousch> geez
[15:44] <rick_h> I'm getting off verizon when my contract expires in Dec and I want to go the 'buy your own phone' route
[15:44] <brousch> Can you run Android on it if ubuntu phone sucks?
[15:44] <rick_h> brousch: yes...yes you can
[15:44] <brousch> OK
[15:44] <rick_h> which is part of what convinced me to go ahead and do it
[15:44] <rick_h> I'll be hoping for some big time xda love
[15:56] <greg-g> heh
[15:58] <greg-g> wait, I can fund it, get my phone, then return it within 28 days for a refund?
[15:58] <greg-g> "What warranties apply to the Ubuntu Edge?"
[16:01] <snap-l> rick_h: You might want to check that
[16:01] <snap-l> indiegogo is not kickstarter. There's an option to keep the money if it's not funded.
[16:01] <snap-l> "This campaign will only receive funds if at least $32,000,000 is raised by Wed 21 Aug 11:59PM PT."
[16:01] <snap-l> n/m
[16:01] <rick_h> snap-l: but that option is not in effect. It states it on the site
[16:02] <jrwren> the thing about charms is they are overly complex for my use case. all I really want is cloud-init wiht some extra help.  :)
[16:05] <brousch> Will Edge work on Ting?
[16:05] <rick_h> probably not, it's dual LTE and not sure what's behind it after that.
[16:05] <brousch> expected delivery in May 2014
[16:05] <rick_h> though sprint is deploying lte now so who knows by the time it comes out next year
[16:06] <brousch> That's a long time in phone years!
[16:06] <snap-l> I'd be highly surprised if it was on Sprint
[16:06] <snap-l> I think Verizon is the only domestic option at the moment
[16:08] <snap-l> Honestly I'll be surprised if this funds at all
[16:08] <rick_h> att/t-mobile
[16:08] <snap-l> When did they sign up?
[16:08]  * snap-l is out of the loop apparently
[16:08] <rick_h> they didn't but tech wise it should work
[16:08] <rick_h> and CAG does not mean anything about phone working
[16:10] <snap-l> I see no mention of the FCC on this page.  If it does go through, then unique toys for some people
[17:04] <snap-l> http://www.amazon.com/review/R2VAJTQQ1CV86X/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00D624AQO&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=
[17:05] <rick_h> lmao
[17:05] <rick_h> I suppose 'functional' is a loaded word for non-programmers
[17:05] <snap-l> Apparently.
[17:24] <rick_h> lmao, and of course we deploy without setting the deploy config flag. #LaunchFail
[17:24] <rick_h> man, what a Monday
[17:26] <greg-g> hah
[17:26] <rick_h> 1) Deploy months of work ...check
[17:26] <rick_h> 2) Get completely overshadowed by other company release ... check
[17:26] <rick_h> 3) Find giant bug in newly deployed production ... check
[17:27] <rick_h> 4) Find out production wasn't deployed correctly and make everyone download 275 requests to load a single web page ... check
[17:27] <greg-g> lol
[17:27] <greg-g> you sound like WMF!
[17:27] <rick_h> woot!
[17:27]  * rick_h gives WMF a hug
[17:28] <snap-l> Whaddya mean we left debugging on?
[17:28] <rick_h> yep
[17:28] <rick_h> gotta love it
[17:28] <rick_h> now where's my EOD so I can get myself a post-release beverage?
[17:28] <snap-l> This is why I hate deploy events that are only once a perioud (month, etc)
[17:28] <greg-g> weekly ftw!
[17:29] <rick_h> yea, well after this it'll be weekly I think? Maybe more. but we're doing a bit swtich, moving two domains around, etc
[17:29] <rick_h> so it's a big initial 'release'
[17:29]  * greg-g nods
[17:30] <snap-l> I like the "as needed, but everyone gets on the horn and things get worked out"
[17:30] <snap-l> But yeah, once a week is a good target
[17:31] <snap-l> but if stuff is broken, or suboptimal, release as needed
[17:33] <rick_h> yea, we try to follow a 'release when there's something that's done' model vs regular schedule
[17:33] <rick_h> that way we're not rushing to hit a release window and each little feature lands as it's ready to go for prompt feedback/etc
[17:36] <greg-g> for smaller projects that makes sense, for MediaWiki, we have to release more often and force people to use "feature config flags" to disable code that isn't ready for prime time but needs to be tested
[17:36] <greg-g> too many moving pieces
[17:38] <rick_h> yea, we do that as well
[17:38] <rick_h> https://jujucharms.com/:flags:/serviceInspector for instance
[17:39] <rick_h> but once the flag is cleared to be removed, we'll update production that day vs waiting for release day
[17:39] <rick_h> kind of idea
[17:42] <snap-l> At least it isn't Chrysler where you had one day a month to launch (5:00am on x Thursday of the month)
[17:43] <snap-l> and if stuff broke, it got backed out
[17:43] <snap-l> (This was FieldConnect, and it sucked)
[17:44] <snap-l> But it was also the direct result of people promoting shit code that caused Dealer Connect to go boom (and was subsequently escalated all the way to the CEO)
[17:44] <rick_h> who asked wtf 'code' was :P
[17:49] <snap-l> rick_h: I believe the terminology was irrelevant, and the conversation went a little like this "fix yo shit"
[17:50] <snap-l> Probably in a very jaunty German accent
[18:26] <snap-l> Mock me
[18:26] <snap-l> For I am mocking objects, poorly. :)
[18:26] <rick_h> hah
[18:38] <jrwren> 275 reqs!!!
[18:38] <jrwren> that is a lot even to bundle up
[18:39] <rick_h> well, ends up around 70 total but 1/3 of those are the same .svg image file
[18:39] <rick_h> https://jujucharms.com/fullscreen/ and check out the network graph.


[11:24] <akshay70> hello
[11:24] <akshay70> Wanted to know how I could contribute
[11:33] <akshay70> Hello
[11:33] <akshay70> How do I contribute to the project


[14:13] <infoturtle> thethomaseffect you still up for helping spruce up the site? if you can't it's cool, just asking
[14:15] <thethomaseffect> I have no time these days really, my laptop went missing so I'm in college all the time working on projects, final year and all that
[14:15] <thethomaseffect> I'll have time at easter break but that seems so long away
[14:42] <infoturtle> ah no hassle, I just started work on it and just wanted to know if you wanted in, I'll keep tippin' away at it
[16:32] <slashtommy> the ubuntu hour was a little quiet again
[16:35] <thelodger> how often is it held?
[16:38] <slashtommy> it's held whenever anyone calls one
[17:06] <tdr112> ah we had a nice chat
[19:31] <infoturtle> Is Dublin having a UGJ the weekend (or anytime)?


[15:15] <diddledani> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bojppstlgBc
[15:25] <zxmpi> hot dog linux... i have looked at using dosbox on all my systems for a distraction free ui
[15:40] <davef> what in horrifying hell is that? seems like a lot of dicking around getting it to work.
[15:40] <zxmpi> just part of the suffering :-)
[15:51] <davef> i'm of the camp of install and run these days. I do too much cli at work, I don't need it at home too.
[16:10] <daftykins> hehe
[16:12] <daftykins> diddledani: any luck overcoming your sleep woes?
[16:13] <diddledani> still struggling.. getting about 5 hrs a night atm
[16:14] <daftykins> ooh err, i wish i could get by on that so i could be more productive and see daylight hours xD
[16:18] <zxmpi> thatcher famously got by on 4hours sleep a night. not sure that's a good indicator mind
[16:19] <daftykins> yeah i hear you start dreaming about coal miners in that 4 hours
[16:19] <daftykins> ;)
[16:21] <daftykins> wow my mate got a quote for a phone system at this dentists place he's asked me to do a quote for
[16:21] <daftykins> a competitor to our local incumbent wants over £2,500 to put in an ISDN backed Mitel phone system
[16:22] <zxmpi> isdn. been a while since i saw one of those
[16:22] <daftykins> well that's my concern, the incumbent EOL'd ISDN in 2019 according to their news briefs
[16:23] <daftykins> my research so far has brought up a £300 Yealink DECT VoIP system, just with the issue of either using an adapter box to take PSTN -> SIP or signing up with a VoIP service instead
[16:24] <zxmpi> how long does the average phone system last? >10years? will isdn be around then?
[16:25] <daftykins> doubt it, i can't even get a call or email back from the incumbent - they at least offer a cloud PBX service, just don't seem to want any business
[16:27] <zxmpi> or their phone/email service is terrible preventing them from calling you :-)
[16:28] <daftykins> haha
[16:28] <daftykins> well i caught one of them once by phone when she must have been out to lunch, said she'd be back in after a given time... never answered since
[16:33] <daftykins> https://business.sure.com/news-and-insights/2019/sure-launches-cloud-voice-service-as-alternative-to-isdn/
[16:35] <zxmpi> i liked isdn, i really did. it was just that ireland telco charged for 2 calls if you wanted 128kbs
[16:36] <zxmpi> so it was fairly dead in the water on arrival. plus they wanted 128kbs to qualify as broadband as they had equipped the entire island with isdn in the 80s
[16:37] <daftykins> i knew some lads back in the day on ISDN, at first i was wowed by the 14 KB/sec download speeds but i found it hilarious when ADSL launched and they had to pay extra to convert their digital lines back over to get it xD
[16:38] <zxmpi> had to rip out the fibre and bung in good old copper :-D
[16:38] <daftykins> eh? it was still copper
[16:39] <davef> ISDN was lust worthy for us mere 56K modem plebs
[16:39] <daftykins> until you saw the price, yeah
[16:39] <davef> The day that ADSL was turned on in my area, I was one of the first to sign up.. 512K goodness
[16:39] <daftykins> i was a mere unemployed nipper in school though so i'd have had no chance, i was lucky my Dad was willing to pay for AOL xD
[16:40] <daftykins> yeah same! with the ol' Alcatel Speedtouch USB transceiver as they provided over here
[16:40] <zxmpi> you didn't get 980 free hours of aol on a floppy?! :-P
[16:40] <davef> Today I find myself lusting after 3Gbps fiber, which is available in the apartment I'm moving to in June :)
[16:41] <davef> AKA the "stingray"
[16:41] <daftykins> indeedy
[16:41] <daftykins> heh, pal in Geneva has 10 Gb - the WAN interface genuinely is capable of 10, but the LAN side ports are 2.5 Gb tops
[16:42] <daftykins> it's only due to buying a brand new PC that he got a motherboard with a 2.5 Gb NIC too
[16:42] <davef> I remember when you maxed out the stingray, it would sometimes desync or even power off if your USB port didn't provide the full output
[16:42] <daftykins> :D
[16:42] <daftykins> gone are the days of supplying the mgmt.o firmware file to IPCop on an old Pentium II PC as my dedicated router
[16:43] <davef> anyway, i'm going to get gigabit fiber at the new place. 3gbps is nice, but overkill.
[16:44] <daftykins> i agree, since the rollout here will normalise at £125/mo for gigabit, i might only be able to stretch to the next tier down - which looks to be 300/30
[16:44]  * zxmpi puts in reminder for 3months from now when davef will be complaining that 3gbs is too slow :-D
[16:45] <davef> Nah, just going to go with 1Gbps. It's cheaper
[16:47] <davef> the only problem is the company equipment, it's GPON. so I have to use their router.
[16:47] <daftykins> oh eww
[16:48] <davef> however, i have recently discovered it supports PPPoE, so I plug my router into the second WAN port, PPPoE that thing and boom.. my hardware
[16:48] <davef> which would be nice.. two public IPs
[16:48] <daftykins> they'll just install an ONT here with the NIC to do the same, allegedly
[16:49] <davef> Bell changed their hardware, the old version you could just unplug the SFP adapter and plug into your own
[16:49] <daftykins> sucks my little PCEngines APU systems are hamstrung by pfSense's single-queue single-thread PPPoE implementation though, means they're not gigabit capable
[16:49] <davef> But the new one the SFP is built-in
[16:51] <davef> my router can handle GbE when using PPPoE
[16:51] <davef> so no concerns there
[16:52] <daftykins> mmm other OSs can handle it via multi-queue or just a fast enough CPU can do it fine
[16:52] <daftykins> the pfSense devs seem to just close a ticket enquiring about it and have no intention of developing it
[17:07] <davef> It's something that needs to be done upstream in FreeBSD
[17:08] <daftykins> well that's only the approach when they're unwilling to do something themselves surely
[17:08] <daftykins> it's not like some grand broad difficult feature
[17:09] <davef> Netgate only develop the fancy UI.. everything else is done in FreeBSD
[17:09] <davef> when they "sponsored" the work for Wireguard, it didn't go into pfSense, it went into FreeBSD.
[17:09] <daftykins> yeah i get that
[17:09] <daftykins> heh, before it was then pulled again :D
[17:10] <davef> it was pulled by the freebsd devs because it was crappy code
[17:10] <davef> then it was re-engineered as a kernel mod
[17:10] <daftykins> yeah i know the whole story around it
[17:11] <davef> since then it's been perfectly stable. got a couple fbsd boxes hanging off wireguard back to my router.
[17:13] <daftykins> i've no interest in it at present
[17:42] <daftykins> weird i only just noticed an email marked as read already that has answers from the client i'd been waiting for for a while
[17:42] <daftykins> heh, the German guys at this dentists seem very fond of the FRITZ!Box routers, they want to try and run their phone system solely from that - laughable really
[17:43] <daftykins> they're just consumer junk
[20:13] <penguin42> daftykins: Depressingly a lot of people are moving to cloud based voip, like ringcentral
[21:56] <daftykins> penguin42: what do you find depressing about it, do you like ol' PSTN?
[22:28] <penguin42> daftykins: Well, I mean instead of running their own or controllable voip solution
[22:33] <daftykins> penguin42: oh right, well the thing is if i suggest a PSTN adapter to use an existing traditional landline, i can't be 100% it'll keep being do-able once the fibre rollout here continues and copper is switched off
[22:36] <penguin42> nod
[22:37] <daftykins> a UK friend suggested i speak to Andrews and Arnold
[22:38] <penguin42> they have a reputation for being able to solve most problems and actually know what they're doing
[22:38] <daftykins> pretty positive they wouldn't be able to use a Guernsey number, but their VoIP rates are low - and 1.25p/min isn't too bad for calls to Guernsey landlines
[22:39] <daftykins> incoming is more than likely the main mode of operation for a dental surgery, too
[22:39] <penguin42> of course half the people phoning a dental surgery are struggling to speak properly
[22:40] <daftykins> lol
[22:40] <daftykins> and they all call at 2:30pm


[02:15] <GTRsdk> I'd like to help
[06:03] <micahg> oops, a better gnash snapshot was uploaded 10 days ago :(, I guess it's SRU time for it
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:05] <pmjdebruijn> mornin
[07:09] <ajmitch> morning
[07:09] <micahg> good evening ajmitch
[07:12] <ajmitch> so everything's ready for release now? :)
[07:14] <micahg> Debian RC bug list is huge :(
[07:14] <ajmitch> yeah, I didn't even take much of a look at it lately, I guess there could be plenty of chances for SRUs
[07:15] <micahg> there are probably for the previous releases as well :)
[07:15]  * ajmitch has to check the version tracking on that rc bugs list, first one I like at, the ubuntu version is below the found version for the debian bug
[07:16] <ajmitch> given how hacky it is, the bug list might be cut down a bit just by fixing that :)
[10:44] <Angelo> Hi!! :-)
[10:44] <Angelo> I'd like to start working with the motu team
[10:44] <Angelo> what could I do?
[10:47] <nigelb> At this very moment, there's very little to because its release day tomorrow.
[10:47] <nigelb> But there's a lot of stuff you could do
[10:49] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing is a good page
[10:50] <Angelo> :-) Thank you nigelb :-)
[10:51] <Angelo> ok
[10:51] <Angelo> I looked at that
[10:52] <Angelo> and I have a problem with pbuilder
[10:52] <nigelb> Are you getting an erro fo some sort?
[10:52] <Angelo> yes
[10:53] <Angelo> this is the error: sudo pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd
[10:53] <Angelo> sorry
[10:53] <Angelo> this: "Someone else has lock over /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz.tmp, waiting"
[10:53] <Angelo> and its loop
[10:54] <Angelo> (sorry for my english, im italian)
[10:54] <nigelb> I'm not an exxpert, maybe if you wait, someone will be able to help you
[10:54]  * nigelb pokes Laney, meanwhile
[10:54] <Angelo> ok
[10:54] <Angelo> thank you  nigelb
[10:54] <nigelb> np :)
[10:54] <Angelo> :-)
[11:07] <Angelo> someone could help me?
[11:14] <Laney> bah
[11:19] <ajmitch> Laney: problem?
[11:19] <Laney> he left
[11:19] <ajmitch> ah, the usual
[11:19]  * ajmitch has a different pbuilder problem with sid, is most annoying :)
[11:27] <ajmitch> right, done enough paid work for the evening, time to sleep
[16:45] <Angelo> Ciao
[16:47] <Angelo> Hi!! :-)
[16:47] <tumbleweed> Angelo: it helps if you stay here. Someone tried to reply to you, but you'd gone. I suggest leaving an irc client open, or using something like irccloud
[16:48] <tumbleweed> Angelo: what's in your pbuilderrc ?
[16:48] <Angelo> tumbleweed: ah... ok. Thank you
[16:49] <Angelo> when I create the pbuilder there's a message that tells that someone else is locking the file
[16:49] <tumbleweed> yes, you said. What's in your .pbuilderrc ?
[16:49] <tumbleweed> I'm assuming you haven't set it up for multiple distros?
[16:50] <tumbleweed> you can probably just delete /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz*
[16:50] <Angelo> ah, sorry...ok
[16:50] <tumbleweed> but before you create a new one, you may want to set it up, following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[16:50] <Angelo> this line: COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse"
[16:50] <tumbleweed> (or just use pbuilder-dist)
[16:51] <Angelo> no I didnt delete /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz
[16:51] <tumbleweed> it's safe to
[16:52] <Angelo> I followed that guide, but the error (sorry if I didnt tell u before) was about base.tgz.temp file
[16:53] <tumbleweed> I was suggesting setting it up for multiple releases now, because otherwise you'll be creating new base images anyway, when you get there
[16:53] <tumbleweed> Angelo: just try deleting that file
[16:54] <Angelo> tumbleweed: ok. So I should delete only base.tgz.temp?
[16:54] <tumbleweed> yes
[16:54] <tumbleweed> (I'm just guessing, but it can't hurt to delete it)
[16:54] <Angelo> and start again with pbuilder create?
[16:55] <Angelo> ok! :-))
[16:55] <Angelo> It's what I thought, but I didnt know it
[16:55] <Angelo> thank u!!
[16:55] <Angelo> :-)
[16:56] <Angelo> tumbleweed: and u speak italian right? :-))
[16:56] <tumbleweed> Angelo: very poorly, I'm afraid
[16:56] <Angelo> tumbleweed: ahaha...ok
[16:56] <Angelo> tumbleweed: I just saw your real name
[16:57]  * tumbleweed lies in ZA, never spent enough time in italy to pick up the language, but I can get around...
[16:57] <Angelo> tumbleweed: so i'm deleting it
[16:58] <Angelo> tumbleweed: I couldnt delete it
[16:59] <Angelo> tumbleweed: access denied
[17:00] <tumbleweed> sudo rm :)
[17:01] <Angelo> tumbleweed: DONE! :-)) I didnt remember that. Im new with ubuntu :-)
[17:01] <Angelo> tumbleweed: thank u :-)
[17:01] <tumbleweed> np
[17:02] <Angelo> tumbleweed: now is creating the file
[17:02] <Angelo> tumbleweed: before I read what u write..... but I have a problem at home (maybe I will explain) and I disconnect for that reason
[17:03] <Angelo> tumbleweed: what are u doing in ubuntu?
[17:04] <tumbleweed> easy answer: my wiki page is mostly up to date https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StefanoRivera
[17:05] <Angelo> tumbleweed: ok!
[17:05]  * jussi waves to tumbleweed and offers more salmiakki liquer :D
[17:06]  * tumbleweed guesses he'd better bring some amarula to UDS then
[17:06] <jussi> tumbleweed: unfortunately I wont be there...
[17:06] <tumbleweed> so it goes :/
[17:06] <jussi> tumbleweed: I have a good reason though :D
[17:07] <pdtpatrick> tumbleweed.. how does one get involved as you did? I'm also trying to get into python related
[17:07] <pdtpatrick> packages
[17:07] <tumbleweed> pdtpatrick: you just start, and ask for help
[17:08] <tumbleweed> find something that's bugging you, and fix it
[17:08] <pdtpatrick> "bugging me" :)
[17:08] <pdtpatrick> going to have to recreate my environment and keys .. upload and get started
[17:08] <tumbleweed> if you just want to help out generally, each phase of the release has different areas that need attention
[17:09] <tumbleweed> right now, it's probably a good idea to look for release critical bugs that were fixed in debian, but we missed the fixes for: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/
[17:09] <tumbleweed> if any of those are serious enough, we can put out -updates fixes (SRUs) for them
[17:09] <pdtpatrick> well i'm currently a sysAdmin myself and do most things python/bash/django but wanted to help out and at the same time gain more experience with python along the way.
[17:11] <tumbleweed> lots of ubuntu's infrastructure is written in python, many of the recent websites are django, so there are a few areas you could help out in
[17:11] <pdtpatrick> Okay .. going to read the getting started page and then proceed from there. Will ask questions here if i get lost somewhere
[17:11] <tumbleweed> please do
[17:12] <Angelo> tumbleweed: I read your page and launchpad too :-). Thank u
[17:17]  * tumbleweed heads off out to dinner
[17:18]  * Laney wibbles
[17:18] <Angelo> tumbleweed: Hi! :-)
[17:43] <cdunlap> Hello
[17:43] <cdunlap> I noticed that there are a number of packages that fail to build on armel.
[17:44] <cdunlap> and this might be a newbie question but can you build armel packages on a i386 arch?  Is there a way to do it?
[17:56] <Angelo> I go for dinner
[17:58] <jtaylor> cdunlap: pbuilder-dist dist armel create
[18:01] <cdunlap> jtaylor:  Thank You.  I appreciate the information
[18:11] <c_korn> where is the "get-build-deps" command in oneiric?
[18:11] <Laney> gone
[18:11] <Laney> sudo mk-build-deps -i -r
[18:14] <c_korn> thanks, Laney
[18:35] <murrayc> I'm trying to hack a package together, but I'm getting this error:
[18:35] <murrayc> dpkg-shlibdeps:
[18:35] <murrayc> I mean, dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libgda-5.0.so.4
[18:35] <murrayc> But that library is built by the package itself.
[18:35] <murrayc> $ find . -name "libgda-5.0.so.4"
[18:35] <murrayc> ./debian/tmp/usr/lib/libgda-5.0.so.4
[18:35] <murrayc> ./libgda/.libs/libgda-5.0.so.4
[18:36] <murrayc> Presumably I have a typo somewhere, but I can't figure it out.
[18:36] <azeem> murrayc: did you check the SONAME with objdump?
[18:37] <azeem> also, is this more than one binary package, and if so, where is the binary that dpkg-shlibdeps complains about?
[18:38] <murrayc> azeem: How would I use objdump to do that?
[18:38] <murrayc> azeem: Well, here is the full error:
[18:38] <murrayc> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libgda-5.0.so.4 needed by debian/libgda-5.0-bin/usr/bin/gda-list-config-5.0 (ELF format: 'elf32-i386'; RPATH: '')
[18:38] <azeem> objdump -x ./debian/tmp/usr/lib/libgda-5.0.so.4 | grep SONAME
[18:39] <azeem> murrayc: probably debian/tmp isn't installed into any package, so it skips it
[18:39] <azeem> isn't there a debian/libgda-5.0/usr/lib/libgda-5.0.so.4  as well?
[18:39] <murrayc> azeem: SONAME               libgda-5.0.so.4
[18:40] <azeem> ok
[18:40] <murrayc> azeem: No
[18:40] <murrayc> I guess there should indeed be.
[18:40] <azeem> murrayc: is libgda-5.0.so.4 getting shipped in any binary package then?
[18:40] <azeem> if not, that'd be enough reason for the error
[18:40] <murrayc> Yes, it should be.
[18:40] <azeem> ok
[18:41] <murrayc>  more debian/libgda-5.0.install
[18:41] <murrayc> usr/lib/libgda*.so.*
[18:41] <murrayc> usr/lib/libgda*/providers/libgda-sqlite.so
[18:41] <murrayc> usr/lib/libgda*/providers/libgda-web.so
[18:41] <murrayc> Which I guess should take care of that.
[18:41] <azeem> yeah
[18:41] <murrayc> I am just hacking the libgda-4.0 package to be a libgda-5.0 package.
[18:43] <azeem> murrayc: the library package is libgda-4.0-4 at least on Debian
[18:43] <azeem> so it should likely be libgda-5.0-4 as well
[18:43] <azeem> murrayc: check that debian/control actually references  libgda-5.0
[18:44] <azeem> (as a binary package)
[18:44] <murrayc> Actually, there were some -1 mentions. I've removed them and I'll try again.
[18:44] <murrayc> I assumed that I could just remove the -4.
[18:44] <azeem> regular library packages encode the sonmae
[18:44] <azeem> soname*
[18:45] <azeem> so libgda-5.0-4 would be correct
[18:45] <murrayc> OK. Thanks.
[18:45] <azeem> it's unclear what the 5.0 is good for if binary compat hasn't changed but oh well
[18:45] <murrayc> I'll try to add that back then.
[18:45] <murrayc> azeem: Maybe upstream just forgot to reset the shared libary version.
[18:45] <jtaylor> the library name has changed
[18:45] <murrayc> It's meant to be totallly parallel installable.
[18:46] <jtaylor> so you can restart the soversion
[18:46] <azeem> murrayc: that's what the 5.0 vs. 4.0 is good for I guess
[18:46] <azeem> just make sure the package name in debian/control and the debian/<package>.* files match
[18:46] <jtaylor> for library only packages so soversion alone is enough
[18:51] <murrayc> azeem: Thanks. Trying again after fixing that. I had no idea, as usual.
[18:51] <azeem> cheers
[18:53] <murrayc> azeem: control is generated from control.in, and the -1 is only in the control.
[18:53] <murrayc> azeem: So where does that -1 come from?
[18:53] <azeem> hrm
[18:53] <azeem> can you pastebin control.in?
[18:53] <murrayc> azeem: In a moment, after I've checked something.
[18:53] <azeem> np, I'm looking at the old source package
[18:53] <azeem> should be enough
[18:55] <azeem> murrayc: debian/rules has "SONAME := 4" in the old package, did you change that?
[18:55] <azeem> debian/control should get generated from control.in by replacing @SONAME@ with $SONAME, i.e. 4
[18:56] <murrayc> azeem: Yes, I must have.
[18:56] <murrayc> To 1
[18:57] <azeem> I think it's best to change that back
[18:57] <murrayc> OK
[18:57] <murrayc> Trying again. It takes a while.
[18:58] <Laney> 4.0 is the API version?
[18:59] <murrayc> 5.0
[18:59] <murrayc> Of course I'd rather that the experts packaged all the Glom dependencies, but in the meantime I'm trying to hack some packages together for the PPA.
[18:59] <Laney> so they broke API again?
[19:00] <azeem> 5.0 should be the upstream version, SOVERSION is 4 AFAICT
[19:00] <azeem> i.e. the number a fter the .so
[19:00] <murrayc> Yes. 5.0 has been going for about a year now. Should hit stable in a few weeks.
[19:00] <Laney> so it should be libgda-5.0-5?
[19:00] <azeem> 20:32 < murrayc> ./libgda/.libs/libgda-5.0.so.4
[19:00] <Laney> API = 5.0, major component of SONAME = 5
[19:00] <azeem> but maybe they'll switch before release?
[19:00] <murrayc> It doesn't have so many users so the break is not generally that annoying. It's just awkward to get the new packages into the distros.
[19:01] <Laney> so SONAME in rules should be 5 and you should rename any libgda-4.0 or libgda4 to be 5.0 or 5
[19:01] <murrayc> azeem: They can't reduce it because there were unstable tarball releases.
[19:01] <Laney> in control.in and all files in debian/, and all paths therein
[19:01] <azeem> right
[19:01] <murrayc> Why should it have any relation to libgda-4.0 whatsoever? Why 5?
[19:03] <murrayc> azeem: It builds!
[19:03] <murrayc> azeem: Obvious stuff to you, I guess.
[19:03] <azeem> yay
[19:04] <Laney> erm, because they bumped the API version to 5.0?
[19:04] <Laney> and 5 is the SONAME
[19:04] <azeem> 20:36 < murrayc> azeem: SONAME               libgda-5.0.so.4
[19:05] <Laney> oh ok
[19:05] <azeem> 20:57 < azeem> but maybe they'll switch before release?
[19:05]  * Laney shrugs
[19:05] <Laney> carry on
[19:06] <murrayc> Laney: Thanks anyway
[20:08] <Angelo> hello!
[20:25] <Angelo> I have a problem with dget, someone would help me?
[20:26] <tumbleweed> Angelo: no need to ask to ask a question, just ask it - state the problem
[20:26] <Angelo> ahah.. ok
[20:27] <Angelo> This is the error that I have had running dget: turpial_1.5.0~rc1-1~natty1.dsc: dscverify: turpial_1.5.0~rc1-1~natty1.dsc failed signature check: gpg: non sono stati trovati dati OpenPGP validi. gpg: processing message failed: eof Validation FAILED!!
[20:28] <tumbleweed> you don't have the key of the developer who uploaded that package. That's normal, we don't provide a keyring of all the developers public keys
[20:28] <micahg> quite impossible in ubuntu as a different key could be used for each upload and discarded
[20:29] <Angelo> (the part in italian means that the system didnt found valid OpenPGP data)
[20:29] <tumbleweed> you can get the key yourself, and verify that you trust it, or download the soruce with apt-get source / pull-lp-source
[20:29] <Angelo> ah, ok....
[20:29] <tumbleweed> (or just trust that it wasn't tampered with, that's the easy answer)
[20:32] <Angelo> so what should i do to use dget? I never used a key for that
[20:32] <Angelo> I registered 2 keys on launchpad
[20:32] <Angelo> but never used
[20:34] <tumbleweed> dget is verifying the signature on the source package that you are downloading. It was signed by the person who uploaded it
[20:34] <ajmitch> if you don't care about validating every signature, use the -u option to dget
[20:36] <Angelo> ah ok..... thank you!
[20:36] <ScottK> And then there are the packages on LP that don't have a signature at all.
[20:37] <Angelo> and do u use verifying the signature usually? (sorry for my english :-) )
[20:48] <Angelo> Now I go
[20:48] <Angelo> see u tomorrow!
[20:48] <Angelo> tumbleweed: thank you for your help
[20:49] <Angelo> micahg: thank u too
[20:50] <Angelo> ajmitch: I used the option and it seems it worked. thanks
[20:50] <Angelo> bye!!
[20:50] <Angelo> :-)
[21:34] <highvoltage> hey how are things going?
[21:34] <ajmitch> hi highvoltage
[21:34] <highvoltage> howdy ajmitch
[21:39] <shayonj> once you have submitted the package to REVU, does the package still needs to be marked as "In progress" ?
[21:42] <tumbleweed> hi highvoltage
[21:42] <tumbleweed> shayonj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[21:45] <shayonj> tumbleweed, ah, missed the page.thanks :)
[21:47] <tumbleweed> shayonj: we strongly recommend getting new packages into Debian if possible, and letting them flow into Ubuntu that way
[21:48] <shayonj> tumbleweed, oh i see. So is it fine if i upload to Debian after i did to REVU ?
[21:48] <shayonj> i mean from next time onwards i will take care of that, but what about the one i already did ?
[21:50] <tumbleweed> shayonj: not many people look at REVU. You can probably get it into Debian before anyone has even commented on it on REVU
[21:50] <shayonj> tumbleweed, sounds good. thanks :)
[21:51] <Laney> but it can't hurt to put a comment saying what you've done
[21:53] <tumbleweed> yes, that would probably be sensible :)
[21:54] <shayonj> hah, definitely
[21:55] <Laney> phew, i remembered to update
[21:55] <Laney> in before release rush


[06:50] <pwnguin> tjaalton: thanks for the tip. bc72ef3a159efd67067322c043bba444869dc356 contains the patch
[07:09] <tjaalton> pwnguin: cool, so it'll be in hardy before too long
[08:14] <tjaalton> bryce: check the video blog entry by john palmieri on planet.fd.o
[08:16] <tjaalton> fedora has some config tool for configuring X, with multiple heads even
[10:25]  * Ng tsks, imho this stuff shouldn't be tool based, it should be event based. "hey, I detect a new monitor, select which display you want to clone/extend" :)
[10:28] <jcristau> Ng: there's no such event
[10:28] <jcristau> vga or tv load detection causes flicker, so you don't want to do that every second
[10:30] <Ng> I didn't say it was possible ;)
[10:31] <Ng> but if xrandr --auto can know that I have a VGA monitor on my laptop or not, it suggests that (perhaps with hardware modifications) it ought to be possible to have a non-polling solution
[10:33] <Ng> no ordinary user wants to go digging around in a display configurmatron, is my basic point :)
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #182189 in ubuntu "ACPI vs Radeon M6: Thinkpad X23 suspend issue (dup-of: 148408)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182189
[11:08] <tjaalton> of course the default is to just use the new display, that's what the video demonstrates, but the tool that they use to statically force some settings is what I was pointing out :)
[12:32] <ubotu> New bug: #178061 in xorg (main) "*** Error: couldn't find any ServerLayout sections" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178061
[13:26] <ubotu> New bug: #187634 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-5-generic None failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187634
[13:46] <ubotu> New bug: #187635 in nautilus (main) "package nautilus-data 1:2.21.90-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187635
[13:56] <ubotu> New bug: #187638 in nautilus-sendto (main) "package nautilus-sendto 0.13.1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: unable to fill /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i with padding (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187638
[14:00] <ubotu> New bug: #187641 in wine (universe) "package wine 0.9.54-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187641
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #187628 in evince (main) "package evince 2.21.90-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 1 (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187628
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #187630 in gimp (main) "package gimp-data 2.4.3-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 1 (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187630
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #187631 in libcairo-ruby (universe) "package libcairo-ruby1.8 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcairo-ruby1.8.list] failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187631
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #187632 in linux (main) "package linux-headers-2.6.24-5 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-headers-2.6.24-5.list] failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187632
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #187639 in openoffice.org (main) "package openoffice.org-core 1:2.3.1-3ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187639
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #187640 in scribus-ng (universe) "package scribus-ng None failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187640
[14:02] <seb128> mvo: ^ see what the apt apport thing do ;-)
[14:02] <mvo> seb128: meh, maybe it should be limited to a single report for all failures
[14:02] <mvo> seb128: I think that is what I'm going to do
[14:03] <seb128> that would be nice
[14:06] <ubotu> New bug: #155785 in xboard (universe) "package xboard None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xboard.list] failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155785
[14:16] <ubotu> New bug: #177987 in pexpect (main) "package python-pexpect None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-pexpect.list] failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177987
[14:16] <ubotu> New bug: #178009 in imagemagick (main) "package imagemagick 7:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg1-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178009
[14:21] <ubotu> New bug: #155790 in xchat (universe) "package xchat-common None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xchat-common.list] failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) (dup-of: 187634)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155790
[15:36] <seb128> bryce: hi
[15:36] <seb128> bryce: my laptop is in broken keyboard state again if you are interested in debugging it
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #187680 in ubuntu "[Hardy] Minefield (Firefox) renders transparent or scaled images incorrectly or not at all (dup-of: 182038)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187680
[16:37] <mvo_> bryce: is it known that the failsafe mode for X is not working?
[17:11] <tjaalton> mvo_: not working in what sense?
[17:35] <ubotu> New bug: #187748 in openoffice.org (main) "package openoffice.org-core 1:2.3.1-3ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187748
[17:35] <ubotu> New bug: #187749 in wine (universe) "package wine 0.9.54-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1) (dup-of: 187634)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187749
[17:36] <bryce> mvo, yes, I'm aware there's a number of things not working with it, most fundamentally displayconfig-gtk no longer can deal with xorg.conf as they're currently written
[17:37] <bryce> bbiab
[17:45] <mvo_> bryce, tjaalton: on the life-cd in a VM I get the X failed to start dialog box. when I click "continue" then X shuts down
[17:45] <mvo_> it maybe specific to the live-cd
[17:45] <mvo_> or the VM
[17:52] <tjaalton> ok, that's new
[17:52] <tjaalton> I guess
[17:52] <tjaalton> it didn't work before either, but still :)
[18:00] <mvo_> heh :)
[18:01] <mvo_> ok, sorry for not being more helpful
[18:21] <tjaalton> I'll test that myself before too long
[20:17] <seb128> re
[20:39] <bdmurray> bryce: I've submitted bug 187846 is that a driver or compiz bug?
[20:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187846 in compiz "glxgears artifacts when dragging window around with compiz enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187846
[20:40] <bryce> bdmurray: -intel bug, not a compiz bug
[20:40] <bryce> bdmurray: also, please check the -intel bugs, as there was another one like that filed.  However it was against 965 iirc, so may not be dupe-able
[20:40] <bdmurray> okay, I've changed the package then
[20:40] <ubotu> New bug: #187846 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "glxgears artifacts when dragging window around with compiz enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187846
[20:41] <bryce> bdmurray: also, I'd appreciate it if when you put bugs into an xorg component, that you ask them to attach /var/log/Xorg.0.log, /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and lspci -vvnn output
[20:42] <bryce> bdmurray: it'd save us an extra step in triaging
[20:42] <bdmurray> okay
[20:46] <seb128> got the keyboard bug again, anybody interested to debug it before i restart xorg,
[20:47] <bdmurray> bryce: Do you want those same bits for the bug on the live cd I just filed?
[20:47] <seb128> that is supposed to be a question but without modified there is some limitation ;-)
[20:49] <bryce> seb128: sure, I've just finished the ubuntu-mobile work and am ready to re-task
[20:49] <bryce> seb128: however I'm not certain what approach to take for debugging it yet
[20:49] <seb128> k
[20:49] <bryce> bdmurray: yes; in fact by default generally all xorg bugs need those three things.
[20:49] <seb128> i confirm that xorg see this key event i mentionned yesterday in continuous
[20:49] <seb128> that breaks modifiers use and make applications open in background
[20:50] <bryce> bdmurray: in fact, my fingers now type out requests for those files in my sleep
[20:50] <bdmurray> bryce: you mentioned a similar issue in bug 147359 what model video card did you notice it with?
[20:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147359 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "intel 3D artifacts" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147359
[20:50] <bryce> seb128: ok; did we identify any existing bug id#'s for this?  that's probably step #1
[20:51] <bryce> bdmurray: 965
[20:51] <tjaalton> bryce: I couldn't find one
[20:51] <bryce> tjaalton: ok thanks
[20:51] <seb128> bryce: no
[20:51] <seb128> should i open one
[20:51] <bdmurray> bryce: and I have 945 so is my bug a duplicate?
[20:52] <seb128> sorry about the limited punctuation, azerty without modifier is funny
[20:53] <bryce> bdmurray: I'd keep it separate.  There's actually a significant difference in the driver between 915-945, and 965
[20:53] <bdmurray> okay
[20:54] <jcristau> missing redirected direct rendering is not a driver issue, though
[20:57] <bryce> seb128: can you open a bug in LP and attach your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, /etc/X11/xorg.conf, lspci, and ~/.xsession-errors?
[20:58] <seb128> bryce: ok
[20:59] <bdmurray> bryce: The reason I was testing this is because it is listed as test case.  Perhaps it shouldn't be?
[20:59] <bryce> no, it's a good test case
[20:59] <bryce> running glxgears and moving it around turns up a variety of bugs
[21:00] <bryce> unfortunately probably not bugs we can easily do something about yet
[21:01] <bdmurray> perhaps the test case should have a note about bug 147359 then?
[21:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147359 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "intel 3D artifacts" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147359
[21:02] <bryce> bdmurray: sure
[21:12] <bdmurray> And this only happens when compiz is enabled right?
[21:12] <jcristau> yes
[21:13] <bdmurray> thanks jcristau
[21:13] <bdmurray> bryce: I've updated the bug summary then
[21:15] <bryce> bdmurray: thanks
[21:22] <seb128> bryce: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/187855
[21:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187855 in xorg "keyboards events generated wrongly create issues" [Undecided,New]
[21:23] <bryce> seb128: thanks... reviewing
[21:23] <seb128> bryce: nothing interesting in xsession-errors
[21:23] <seb128> is the lspci useful for keyboard issue,
[21:23] <bryce> seb128: ok
[21:23] <seb128> that's a dell latitude
[21:23] <seb128> cant type numbers without shift ;-)
[21:24] <bryce> seb128: feel free to reboot; I think this is enough info for now.  I'll need to do some research before I have more troubleshooting advice
[21:24] <seb128> k
[21:24] <seb128> i did restart the g-s-d and compiz that makes no difference
[21:24] <seb128> and i'm pretty sure there is no key stucked on this keyboard
[21:31] <ubotu> New bug: #187855 in xorg (main) "keyboards events generated wrongly create issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187855
[21:36] <ubotu> New bug: #187850 in compiz (main) "intel x3100: screen artifacts (dup-of: 175774)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187850
[21:43] <ubotu> New bug: #185063 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[hardy] ATI Resctricted Drivers cause pc to block on reboot." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185063
[22:50] <bryce> seb128: found your bug in debian bts:  http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/2dfb33a5ec826ea2/7a160deb430814b6?lnk=gst&q=keyboard+modifier#7a160deb430814b6
[22:53] <seb128> bryce: might be the same issue indeed
[22:54] <bryce> I'll summarize some of the findings from the parent bug report, for testing
[22:57] <Q-FUNK> Praha, here we come! :)


[00:57] <jelmer> lifeless: shouldn't 192743 be reassigned to bzr?
[00:58] <lifeless> jelmer: not sure; may want to wontfix it
[01:12] <ubotu> New bug: #162970 in trac-bzr "bzr not reconized" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162970
[01:23] <lifeless> yay @ first stacked test passing.
[01:27] <lifeless> lunch
[01:29] <jelmer> lifeless: congrats!
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #192803 in bzr-svn "Presence of bzr-svn plugin causes BzrDir.find_branches to leak memory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192803
[02:19] <mwhudson> say, does anyone want to explain InterRepository._walk_to_common_revisions() to me?
[02:19] <lifeless> mwhudson: sure
[02:20] <mwhudson> lifeless: specifically i want to understand when it raises errors.NoSuchRevision
[02:20] <lifeless> mwhudson: it starts from a set of revisions and walks back the graph until it has found all the common points
[02:20] <mwhudson> (i'm trying to diagnose the InstallFailed oopses we're seeing, at least a little bit)
[02:21] <lifeless> mwhudson: NoSuchRevision is raised when you ask for some revision R which is not in the target, nor in the source.
[02:21] <mwhudson> hmm
[02:21] <mwhudson> but here, revision_ids == [target.last_revision()] i think
[02:22] <lifeless> right
[02:22] <mwhudson> so walking out from there to something that is not in the target seems a bit eccentric
[02:22] <lifeless> not true
[02:22] <mwhudson> ok
[02:22] <lifeless> target_branch.last_revision()==R does not always imply target_branch.repository.has_revision(R)
[02:23] <lifeless> its invalid for it to fail to imply it
[02:23] <mwhudson> i mean, there could be ghosts, but that doesn't seem super-likely here
[02:23] <lifeless> _walk_to_common is used when we're not looking for ghosts; but adjacent and absent revisions are collected
[02:23] <mwhudson> lifeless: sorry i don't understand your last line there
[02:24] <lifeless> so we get local ghosts but not deep ghosts, if that makes sense
[02:24] <lifeless> mwhudson: race conditions, quote the line
[02:25]  * mwhudson thinks
[02:27] <lifeless> I have to switch battery sooin
[02:27] <mwhudson> lifeless: let me worry about another confusing problem for a bit then, can i bug you in 10-20 minutes?
[02:27] <lifeless> sure
[02:28]  * lifeless does the suspend-resume dance
[02:28] <mwhudson> ta
[02:39] <lifeless> back
[02:40] <lifeless> mwhudson: -> code; will look back in every test or so
[02:56] <mwhudson> lifeless: so, i would like to understand "target_branch.last_revision()==R does not always imply target_branch.repository.has_revision(R)"
[03:07] <lifeless> mwhudson: bzr init-repo foo
[03:07] <lifeless> mwhudson: bzr init-repo bar
[03:07] <lifeless> bzr init foo/branch
[03:08] <lifeless> bzr commit -m 'f' foo/branch
[03:08] <lifeless> cp -a foo/branch bar/branch
[03:11] <mwhudson> lifeless: oh right
[03:11] <mwhudson> lifeless: that shouldn't have happened on the supermirror though :)
[03:13] <lifeless> mwhudson: who knows what has happened
[03:13] <lifeless> mwhudson: but this is why the bzr code does what it does
[03:27] <lifeless> mwhudson: what problem are thou incurring?
[03:27] <mwhudson> lifeless: occasionally the upload branch puller craps out with one of these exceptions
[03:27] <lifeless> this is for importd?
[03:27] <mwhudson> (raising InstallFailed from InterPackFetcher)
[03:27] <mwhudson> lifeless: no
[03:28] <lifeless> hosted branches?
[03:28] <mwhudson> lifeless: yes
[03:28] <lifeless> does it recur on the same branch?
[03:28] <lifeless> I saw a hosted branch the other day with this problem
[03:28] <mwhudson> no
[03:28] <lifeless> someone had managed to set a last_revision_id not in the branch's repository
[03:29] <lifeless> and it was (naturally) not mirroring; and other users (group branch) couldn't merge from the hosted side either
[03:29] <lifeless> is it possibly a bug in the sftp or smart server glue ?
[03:29] <lifeless> I'm assuming bzr is perfect
[03:31] <BasicOSX> hi here too
[03:31] <mwhudson> lifeless: i was wondering that, but it seems a bit unlikely
[03:31] <lifeless> hi BasicOSX
[03:31] <lifeless> mwhudson: that bzr is perfect?
[03:32] <mwhudson> lifeless: no, that a bug in the smart server glue would show up in this way
[03:33] <lifeless> mwhudson: I suggest that you change the puller so that the next time this occurs a cp -R of the branch is made
[03:33] <lifeless> mwhudson: (of the source branch)
[03:41] <mwhudson> yeah, i guess that makes sense
[03:41] <mwhudson> jml: hello
[03:42] <jml> mwhudson: hi
[03:42] <mwhudson> jml: what do you think of lifeless's idea above?
[03:44] <jml> mwhudson: I think it will definitely help us figure out what's going on and that's it's kind of yucky.
[03:45] <jml> but I can't think of anything better.
[03:46] <mwhudson> right
[06:19]  * beuno goes to bed now
[07:53] <Peng_> Oh, cool. 1.2.
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #192859 in bzr "AttributeError on parent.children in add when adding a symlink" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192859
[11:33] <appcine> hi! just transitioned to bzr from svn and I'm experiencing some problems. whenever I push an update to the server, there's a 70 % chance that the push just hangs and nothing happens. If i ctrl-c it, I get a SFTPError: Garbage package received.
[11:33] <appcine> Anything I can do on my end?
[11:33] <appcine> I mean, I get this almost ALL the time
[11:33] <appcine> but sftping in works fine every time
[11:49] <appcine> Using bzr+ssh seems to work better, but is there a way to store BZR_REMOTE_PATH for just one project?
[12:50] <spiv> appcine: yes, you can set bzr_remote_path in your ~/.bazaar/locations.conf
[12:50] <spiv> appcine: e.g, I have:
[12:51] <spiv> [bzr+ssh://host/]
[12:51] <spiv> bzr_remote_path=/home/andrew/bzr.dev/bzr
[12:51] <spiv> in mine.  (where "host" is something different, obviously...)
[13:00] <appcine> spiv: Ah, sweet. Thanks :)
[13:21] <appcine> Hmm, using bzr+ssh really didn't solve my woes. It's terrible slow to send a two-line change over two files. It just stalls on 0/0 (the dash that's spinning isn't .. spinning)
[13:22] <appcine> ssh/sftp works fine though
[13:47] <pygi> hey folks
[13:47] <pygi> will anyone request freeze exception for Bzr-1.2 ?
[14:07] <hsn_> anybody works on netbeans plugin?
[14:11] <jelmer> hsn_: there is nobody working on one, or at least they haven't publicly announced so
[14:21] <ubotu> New bug: #192924 in bzr "quick-start-summary.svg missing in Python based installer for windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192924
[15:05] <appcine> hmm, pushing my updates to the server is constantly crashing on me .. both bzr+ssh and scp.. the cursor just hangs on 0/0 and nothing happens.
[15:05] <appcine> I can't even control-c out of it when using bzr+ssh
[15:06] <appcine> The connection is established - I need to break-lock on the server to try again. Ssh and scp directly works like a charm
[15:06] <appcine> "TooManyConcurrentRequests: The medium '<bzrlib.smart.medium.SmartSSHClientMedium object at 0x1644390>' has reached its concurrent request limit."
[15:07] <appcine> Is what I get when the push finally fails
[15:07] <appcine> (using ssh=
[15:07] <appcine> anything I can solve on my end?
[15:15] <Peng> appcine: Does .bzr.log on either the client or server say anything interesting?
[15:16] <Peng> appcine: Maybe the server kills processes that consume any resources.
[15:20] <appcine> Peng:  nothing intresting on server, but "not updating child fraction" in my client's .. A LOT! :)
[15:21] <appcine> It's like it's spit into my bzr.log until my ctrl-c finally has any effect
[15:23] <fullermd> Probably unrelated.  That's to do with the progress bar updating, IIRC.
[15:24] <appcine> it works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't
[15:34] <thatch> hmm, is 1.2 released or not? The webpage says yes, the changelog says 1.2rc1 is still in development, and doc.b-v.org doesn't have a dir for it.
[15:58] <Peng> thatch: There are a couple debs up in the PPA.
[16:04] <thatch> Peng: I also see the tarball... however, there's no changelog entry for 1.2 actually being out :)
[16:07] <jdong> thatch: yeah the wiki has not been updated to point to the right changelog but 1.2 has been out for a few days
[16:07] <jdong> you can find the changelog in NEWS of the tarball
[16:09] <appcine> seriously. nothing i can further investigate to solve my stalling push problem? I can't work :P
[16:34] <thatch> jdong: here's the first real heading in NEWS of bzr.dev.
[16:34] <thatch> bzr 1.2rc1 (not released yet)
[16:35] <Peng> What about NEWS of bzr.1.2?
[16:36] <thatch> Peng: aha, it's in there.
[16:37] <thatch> so if https://launchpad.net/bzr/1.2/1.2/ also contains the changelog... why have an outdated changelog link on the front page of the wiki?
[16:40] <beuno> thatch, changed, thanks
[16:43] <thatch> beuno: great!
[17:40] <BigMadWolf> Hello all, I have an issue with the bzr eclipse plugin. Is someone using it?
[17:41] <beuno> BigMadWolf, sure, what seems to be the problem?
[17:42] <BigMadWolf> I think I have properly installed bzr-xmloutput and the bzr plugin for eclipse according to the documentation, but when I click on "Synchronize Bazaar" in Eclipse, I can't do anything.
[17:43] <BigMadWolf> I can only click on "Finish" and not on "Next", so nothing happens.
[17:43] <beuno> BigMadWolf, what OS are you on?
[17:43] <BigMadWolf> Ubuntu Gutsy
[17:44] <beuno> BigMadWolf, can you run: bzr plugins
[17:44] <beuno> in a terminal
[17:44] <beuno> just to see if bzr-xmloutput is correctly installed
[17:45] <BigMadWolf> jeremy@laptop-jeremy:~$ bzr plugins
[17:45] <BigMadWolf> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/plugins/xmloutput [0.4.0]
[17:45] <BigMadWolf>         This plugin provides xml output for status, log, annotate, missing, info, version and plugins
[17:45] <BigMadWolf> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/plugins/multiparent.pyc [unknown]
[17:45] <BigMadWolf>         Implementation of multiparent diffs for versionedfile-like storage
[17:45] <BigMadWolf> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/plugins/launchpad [unknown]
[17:45] <BigMadWolf>         Launchpad.net integration plugin for Bazaar.
[17:45] <BigMadWolf> yep, sounds ok
[17:46] <beuno> BigMadWolf, and you've got the branch in the top dir of the project?
[17:47] <BigMadWolf> hoho, I think the issue is solved... :o
[17:48] <BigMadWolf> I was clicking on windows-> open persepctive -> team  then synchronize
[17:48] <BigMadWolf> but when I click on the root of my project, then team -> share project, it seems ok
[17:50] <BigMadWolf> I'm goin' to check if everything works well, I will let you know if it is okay
[17:59] <BigMadWolf> mmh, it sucks, I can't do any commit when clicking on $PROJECT -> Team
[17:59] <BigMadWolf> before doing that, I did "Share project" using the existing .bzr dir
[18:02] <BigMadWolf> do you know how can I remove the bzr support of my project in eclipse?
[20:48]  * fullermd thinks the format list in init-repo's help should be a little less...
[20:51] <jam> well, it would seem that --metaweave should be hidden by now
[20:51] <jam> and probably --weave
[20:52] <jam> and maybe --knit
[20:52] <jam> I might hide --rich-root for only --rich-root-pack
[20:53] <jam> because if you are going for --rich-root you are incompatible with pre-packs anyway
[20:53] <jelmer> "New in 0.15" should probably be "Since 0.15" :-)
[20:53] <jelmer> jam: I think there was actually one release with one but not the other
[20:54] <jam> jelmer: pff not enough for me to care
[20:54] <jam> not right now anyway
[20:54] <jam> And the help doesn't clarify that
[20:55] <jelmer> hmmno, looks like I'm wrong
[20:55] <jelmer> +1 on removing --rich-root
[20:55] <jam> well, they both say "New in 1.0"
[20:55] <jelmer> I think rich-root-pack was marked experimental longer
[20:55] <jelmer> but that doesn't matter now
[20:56] <fullermd> Well, not so much that.  But rather than a lot of them don't make sense for init-repo.
[20:56] <bob2> is --rich-root-pack at the "safe to use as default for people who don't mind reporting bugs" stage?
[20:56] <fullermd> Like --weave, which is totally impossible.  And --dirstate and --dirstate-tags don't make any sense, since they're no different from --knit at the repo level.
[20:56] <jam> yeah
[20:57] <jam> --dirstate changes the WT, and --dirstate-tags changes the Branch
[20:57] <jam> bob2: I think it is more stable than that, even
[20:57] <fullermd> metaweave should be hidden all over, I'd say.
[21:11] <lifeless> jam: actually, pulling into rich-root-pack from non-rich roots breaks inventory sha1's still.
[21:11] <lifeless> I filed a bug.
[21:11] <fullermd> Does that break just pull, or upgrade too?
[21:16] <jam> afaik it doesn't actually break anything, it just has data which isn't strictly valid
[21:16] <jam> but last I checked we never validated it
[21:16] <jam> and that was true for -subtree as well
[21:17] <beuno> Verterok, check out logs, someone was here with all kinds of questions about bzr-eclipse
[21:17] <beuno> (and hi)
[21:20] <Verterok> hi
[21:20] <Verterok> beuno: thanks, I'll.
[21:23] <lifeless> jam: check tries to validate it, but there is a bug in the API
[21:23]  * beuno -> out
[21:25] <lifeless> jam: when the inventory sha doesn't match the inventory I consider it broken.
[21:26] <lifeless> jam: its a bug that we don't check that always.
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177890 in bzr-svn "bzr-svn badly horks svn repository if pushing a changeset which includes a new symlink" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177890
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #160085 in bzr-svn (universe) "push over svn+ssh:// crashes" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160085
[22:31] <igc> morning
[22:43] <poolie> good morning
[23:35] <ubotu> New bug: #193089 in bzr "UnicodeDecodeError exception in bzr whoami" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193089
[23:46] <lifeless> jam: ping
[23:54] <poolie> lifeless, i feel like we are having a "get it done" vs "done right" distinction
[23:54] <poolie> on plugins
[23:55] <lifeless> poolie: to some degree; I feel there is a difference between 'doing part wrong' and 'getting it done'.
[23:57] <lifeless> poolie: which is to say - I think we have agreed on 'get it done' up to a point
[23:58] <lifeless> poolie: beyond that, I'm arguing against some particular things, because I think they will cause problems we don't have today.
[23:58] <lifeless> and that we don't have to have.


[08:03] <xoc_> Hey
[08:04] <xoc_> I stumbled on to this chat
[08:28] <lordievader> Good morning
[15:15] <BluesKaj> Hi foilks
[15:52] <sndks> how to update apt mirrors?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> how to update the mirrors or the packages they connecte to?
[15:54] <sndks> the mirrors
[15:54] <sndks> I can apt update for the packages
[15:54] <BluesKaj> are you upgrading to the next OS release?
[15:55] <sndks> no
[15:55] <sndks> 20.04
[15:55] <sndks> still on 20.04
[15:57] <BluesKaj> what does your /etc/apt/sources.list show ?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> !paste
[15:59] <sndks> my mirrors are in france but I want mirrors closer to me. Is there like a website to check the fastest mirrors or at least a list of mirrors?
[15:59] <sndks> filtered by country/region
[15:59] <BluesKaj> !sources
[16:00] <sndks> I don't have the Adept manager, do I have to install it?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> Muon it's my fav gui package manager, but mostly just use apt in the terminal for installing packages
[16:04] <BluesKaj> and updating/upgrading
[16:05] <BluesKaj> Muon is a great reference for package info
[16:08] <sndks> ok, thanks


[06:11] <kiall> Anyone here have EBS working correctly with 10.10? Im seeing an issue where the volume is failing to be hotplug'd into the instance .. I've tracked down the issue .. but want to find out if anyone else actually has it working before I go ahead and compile the NC from source ;)
[12:36] <Makere> u'https://imagestore.canonical.com/api/images/lucid-amd64-20100427.1' <-- getting this error when trying to get image from store
[12:36] <Makere> got
[12:36] <Makere> and when I try to run the image, the console output is empty
[12:36] <Makere> says installed thou
[12:36] <Makere> how can I get rid off it/reinstall?
[12:37] <Makere> I also tried getting the maverick image with the help of the bundling images site
[12:37] <Makere> but it just stays "pending" forever
[12:38] <Makere> hmm
[12:38] <Makere> the console output seems empty whatever I run
[12:38] <Makere> on hybridfox
[12:39] <Makere> why there's no ramdisk on the images got from web
[13:57] <smoser> Makere, there is no ramdisk. its not needed.
[14:01] <kiall> Anybody successfully using non virtio EBS volumes with 10.10? (aka /dev/sdX rather than /dev/vdX) .. Lets me know if I should be looking at my config .. or the code ;)
[14:52] <Makere> hmm
[16:14] <kim0> smoser: howdy .. Did you guys eval x2go ? For Ubuntu desktop in the cloud thing
[16:15] <smoser> not happened
[16:15] <kim0> smoser: hmm .. okie
[16:15] <kim0> smoser: I am in contact with that upstream
[16:15] <kim0> and they are very interested to help and stuff
[16:15] <kim0> their solution seems to be high quality afaict
[16:15] <kim0> I'll link them with the ubuntu-cloud list
[16:15] <kim0> and kick off a thread soonish
[16:16] <kim0> smoser: thanks just wanted to check whether we already rejected it or something
[16:44] <mhall119> morning folks
[16:45] <mhall119> I've got a few questions about UEC
[16:45] <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: go ahead and shoot
[16:45] <RoAkSoAx> you know the drill :)
[16:45] <mhall119> I'm going to be giving a presentation to my department manager about UEC tomorrow, and ways we can use it internally
[16:46] <mhall119> first off, what kind of web interface does UEC currently have?
[16:46] <mhall119> just the Eucalyptus one, or is there something in Landscape?
[16:47] <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: I think there's also something for landscape
[16:47] <RoAkSoAx> kim0:
[16:47] <RoAkSoAx> kim0: ^^
[16:47] <mhall119> specifically, we'd like the ability to let end users easily create new instances, bring them up, and most importantly bring them down on demand
[16:47] <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: that's usually done with euca-tools
[16:47] <mhall119> CLI?
[16:47] <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: i don't think that's done through the current web interface though
[16:48] <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: cli, correct
[16:48] <mhall119> ok
[16:48] <mhall119> second question, we'll want to limit how many instances an end user can have running at any given time, is that currently possible?
[16:48] <mhall119> each user having their own quota, which can be changed per-user by an admin
[16:49] <mhall119> I remember there being some discussion about these things at UDS
[16:49] <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: Idk, but don't really think so, becuaes there was a discussion about it at UDS
[16:49] <mhall119> also discussion about making a UEC-specific web interface
[16:50] <RoAkSoAx> indeed, I think those are lacking features in UEC
[16:50] <mhall119> if any UEC web interface is going to be developed as open source, Moffitt would be open to letting us contribute
[16:50] <mhall119> if they decide to use UEC that is
[16:51] <mhall119> okay, last question, we'd want the ability for an end-user or developer to create an instance from a base image, add software and configure it, then save it as a new image
[16:52] <mhall119> I remember that Amazon has this feature now, is that going to be added to UEC?
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CreateYourImage
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> ups
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> sry :)
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CreateYourImage
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images
[16:55] <mhall119> hmmm, ok, cloud init would probably do what we need for that part
[17:03] <mhall119> thanks RoAkSoAx
[17:46] <Makere> anyone got the downloaded (http://uec-images.ubuntu.com) ubuntu images to work?
[17:46] <Makere> I tried couple of them
[17:46] <Makere> they got stuck on pending
[17:46] <Makere> and then when I tried to terminate them, they got stuck taking resources