[00:36] <stripe_> hi all, screen tearing and the machine locking up when playing HD youtube videos, nvidia gts450 card 295.53 driver 64bit xubuntu 12.04, any ideas?? thanks
[00:39] <GridCube> stripe_, disable the hardware acceleration
[00:39] <GridCube> and try again
[00:39] <stripe_> thanks grid cube
[00:39] <GridCube> !tab | stripe_
[01:00] <asterismo> GridCube > autocompletion in xchat?
[01:00] <GridCube> asterismo, yes
[01:00] <asterismo> it do not work for me
[01:01] <GridCube> why not?
[01:01] <asterismo> i dunno
[01:01] <asterismo> plugin maybe?
[01:01] <GridCube> don't know, but thats a bug
[01:02] <asterismo> oh
[01:02] <asterismo> now
[01:02] <asterismo> it worked
[01:02] <asterismo> maybe nickname has many options
[01:02] <asterismo> i wrote further more and it completed
[01:02] <asterismo> thanks
[01:03] <GridCube> oh yes if you type just a letter for a nick that has more than 6 example you get a list of all the usernames prompted to you
[01:03] <GridCube> try the b and [tab
[01:04] <GridCube> g and tab will complete me because im the only one with g
[01:04] <GridCube> :D
[01:04] <asterismo> oh, stripe_ was gone offline
[01:04] <asterismo> yeah
[01:04] <asterismo>  i wrote like "str"
[01:04] <asterismo> to see if it autocomplete for stripe_
[01:04] <GridCube> oh, but he was gone :P
[01:04] <asterismo> but it was gone offline
[01:05] <asterismo> so it didn't autocomplete
[01:05] <asterismo> now i got it
[01:05] <asterismo> nice!!!!!!
[01:05] <asterismo> so many years!!!!
[01:05] <asterismo> man!!!
[01:05] <asterismo> lol
[01:05] <asterismo> u come up with this!!!
[01:05] <GridCube> :P you can do the same in all the terminals
[01:05] <asterismo> great
[01:05] <GridCube> you dont have to type all the commands
[01:05] <asterismo> in terminals i knew
[01:06] <asterismo> not in xchat
[01:06] <GridCube> ;) it works in all chats
[01:06] <asterismo> i use al the time in terminals
[01:08] <asterismo> GridCube, do u know where are xfce panel settings stored? i want to change some layouts for a customized live CD
[01:08] <GridCube> when you say settings you mean? how it looks? or the launchers and plugins?
[01:13] <GridCube> i can see panel launchers on ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[01:13] <GridCube> but i have no idea how they work
[01:14] <xu-user> quick question: why does my browser launch after i log in?
[01:14] <xubuntu521> Hello?
[01:15] <GridCube> hello xubuntu521
[01:15] <GridCube> xu-user, you have a session stored
[01:15] <GridCube> it remembers your applications
[01:15] <xubuntu521> Hi Grid ;-)
[01:15] <xu-user> even if i close it and log off, it loads when i reboot the system
[01:15] <xubuntu521> I have a question
[01:16] <xu-user> how do i turn that off?
[01:16] <GridCube> yes, close a session with the "remember session" thicked, it should remember that you closed with no program open
[01:17] <GridCube> if it still happens then you probably have installed nautilus for some reason, it remembers sessions even if you tell it not to, because you must tell it not to from gnome and you obviously are not using gnome
[01:17] <GridCube> that one fixes if you uninstall nautilus
[01:17] <xu-user> now that you mention it, i think i have nautilus
[01:17] <GridCube> !ask | xubuntu521
[01:18] <xu-user> it was required for dropbox to work on my system
[01:20] <xubuntu521> Ok, I'm real new at this.  I have a Dell 2400 desktop with WIN XP HOME on it.  I'm also a ham radio operator.  I was going to install Xbuntu 10.4 but time ran out on it.  Does Xbuntu 12.4 have the same radio programs?
[01:20] <xu-user> i bet thats why my gui file browser is acting strange too
[01:21] <GridCube> xu-user, see faq 4 http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[01:21] <GridCube> xubuntu521, maybe, some programs might have lost support, if they did then they are probably gone
[01:21] <GridCube> what where those programs?
[01:23] <xubuntu521> One was a Morse Code program you could use your computer to send out messages by your ham radio
[01:23] <GridCube> xubuntu521, if you know the name of the programs you can query ubottu like this /msg ubottu info program
[01:23] <GridCube> it will tell you if that program is available or not on precise
[01:24] <xubuntu521> The others were different versions of Phase Shift Keying (PSK)
[01:25] <GridCube> find out the names and ask ubottu :)
[01:26] <xubuntu521> Ok, Grid, I'll check it out.  I asked if I could ask a question because that's the way I was brought up.  I'm 66 now and too old to"change"
[01:26] <xu-user> grid, thanks for the help
[01:27] <GridCube> :) no worries
[01:57] <xubuntu924> Hi! Is there a native keyboard shortcut to open the terminal? I thought I remembered there being one, similar to Ctrl-Alt-T in other Ubuntu-related distros, but I can't recall what it is.
[01:57] <ruien> yeah, super-T (i.e. windows-key + T)
[01:58] <xubuntu924> Great - that works! Thank you ruien!
[01:58] <ruien> super-W is browser. You can also add others or change the associated programs as well. That's done in Settings Manager -> Keyboard -> Application Shortcuts
[01:59] <ruien> glad to help :)
[01:59] <GridCube> xubuntu924, http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/
[03:52] <asterismo> hi people
[03:52] <asterismo> does anybody knows where is the default xfce panels layout is stored??
[03:53] <asterismo> im trying to customize a live CD
[03:55] <Marzata> /home/username/.config/xfce4/ ?
[04:03] <asterismo> in the live CD there is no username
[04:04] <asterismo> there must be somewhere that have the defaults
[04:05] <asterismo> Marzata, somewhere in the iso that later is copied into the new user created in the installation
[04:06] <Marzata> don't have the life cd around but you can search those file on it
[04:09] <asterismo> i don't know the names of the files
[04:10] <asterismo> is there someone from the dev team here?
[04:19] <Unit193> !remaster
[04:54] <asterismo> Unit193, do u know where is the default configuration for the xfce panel layout and desktop theme and icon theme?
[04:54] <Unit193> See what ubottu said, and /etc/xdg/
[06:30] <curbam> Hi, I'd like to remove the window decorations from some of my apps. It's easy in Openbox, but how do I do it in xfwm? I'm on Xubuntu 12.04 (xfce 4.8).
[06:32] <chelz> curbam: somewhere in Window Manager Settings i think
[06:32] <chelz> not sure if there's a 'blank' theme
[06:35] <curbam> chelz: I don't want to remove all (like a new theme does), but only for certain applications. Terminal has an option, but that's normally adjusted by the wm.
[06:36] <chelz> curbam: so like different themes for different applications?
[06:38] <curbam> chelz: not different themes, just no decorations for some apps. In Openbox I can define which apps get decorations,  and on what workspaces they will start...
[06:39] <chelz> ah, i'm still new to xfce so there might be a way to do those things but i'm not sure
[06:55] <laite> curbam: I believe there is no native way of doing that in xfce
[06:56] <laite> however, you can propably use xfce4 with compiz-window manager which makes it possible
[06:58] <curbam> laite: or maybe replace xfwm with Openbox. Has anybody done that already?
[07:00] <laite> curbam: quick googling shows that it's also possible :)
[07:03] <curbam> laite: it's even in the Openbox wiki. Thanks guys!
[07:04] <chelz> curbam: :)
[08:03] <Marzata> what is "wine internet explore"?
[08:03] <Marzata> when I right click on a JPG file ...
[08:04] <Marzata> where this thing came from?
[08:06] <hobgoblin> from installing wine perhaps
[08:08] <Marzata> have not done that
[08:08] <Marzata> and it shows that it is not installed
[08:09] <chelz> something maybe ran winetricks
[08:09] <Marzata> huh
[08:10] <hobgoblin> Marzata: did you install something prior to this right click option appearing?
[08:10] <Marzata> yes, but wine and internet explorer ... never
[08:12] <hobgoblin> have you always had this right click option? if not then it is something that you have done to get it there :)
[08:12] <Marzata> no, yes
[08:15] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:16] <Marzata> can't find anything associated with that in Synaptic
[08:16] <hobgoblin> Marzata: do a sudo updatedb then locate wine* see if you get anything
[08:23] <Marzata> and that is only for jpg, png files.
[08:23] <Marzata> not for html file
[08:32] <hobgoblin> Marzata: did ti find anything in your home .config (think that's where it would be )
[08:32] <Marzata> nothing suspicious there
[08:33] <Marzata> no wine*
[08:33] <Marzata> I have Windows on VM, so I avoid installing wine* crap
[08:42] <hobgoblin> Marzata: no idea then - I know I ended up with some wine stuff leftover after an install and purge - found a few things in /home that I had to physically delete
[08:43] <Marzata> hobgoblin: hmm, thanks
[08:46] <hobgoblin> Marzata: try locate wine without the *
[08:46] <Marzata> hobgoblin: just any wine file?
[08:47] <hobgoblin> you are looking for stuff in .config
[08:47] <Marzata> will see
[08:49] <Marzata> ah, there is  /home/user/.wine/
[08:49] <Marzata> wow
[08:50] <Marzata> it probably came from google earth?
[08:50] <pod> Is there a way to set timeout time of the "turn of touchpad while typing"-setting. I think 2 seconds is to much. 0.5 would be nice.
[08:53] <hobgoblin> Marzata: there you go - rm -r .wine/ willget rid of it if you want to
[08:54] <hobgoblin> but it willr emove all wine things
[08:54] <hobgoblin> possibly came from googlearth - not got it to check
[08:59] <Marzata> hmm
[08:59] <Unit193> Except that won't help, rm -rv ~/.local/share/applications/wine*  would help more as well as something like dpkg -S `which wine`
[08:59] <Unit193> (Called seperatly maybe)
[09:00] <hobgoblin> Unit193: thanks
[09:00] <Marzata> yes, thank you
[09:00] <Unit193> Sure, .wine is just config for wine.
[09:00] <Unit193> Exec=env WINEPREFIX="/home/unit193/.wine" wine start /ProgIDOpen pngfile %f
[09:08] <Marzata> there are 15  wine-extension-*.desktop files in /.local/share/applications/
[09:54] <xubuntu207> anyone do a lot of rdp sessions from windows to xubuntu? I'm having an issue where when I rdp from my windows machine to the xubuntu box the view is stacking multiple desktops vertically
[10:25] <Marzata> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12000266&postcount=22
[10:26] <Marzata> why still we have all those crashes?
[10:27] <hobgoblin> we don't - some do
[10:27] <cypher-neo> That post is extremely vague.
[10:28] <hobgoblin> best place for that talk is in -offtopic
[10:28] <cypher-neo> Marzata, Come to #xubuntu-offtopic and we can chat there
[10:30] <xubuntu207> anyone do a lot of rdp sessions from windows to xubuntu? I'm having an issue where when I rdp from my windows machine to the xubuntu box the view is stacking multiple desktops vertically.  I've searched google up and down and not come across anything that seems relevant to this issue
[13:10] <martinphone> how do you scan 200 images?
[13:13] <Lachezar> Hello. I can no longer find where to configure which font should be used for Monospace.
[13:14] <drc> One at a time?  martinphone, what are you doing, totally changing everything on your computer?  Over the past few days you have asked how to massively manipulate, transform or change data, files, and text -)
[13:14] <Lachezar> Currently Xubuntu supplies a non-monospace font for monospace :( (Bold variant is wider than regular).
[13:14] <martinphone> really drc ?
[13:14] <martinphone> wasnt conscious of that
[13:15] <drc> martinphone: probably not, you've been busy :)
[13:18] <laite> Lachezar: I think the font used depends on program, not xfce
[13:25] <Lachezar> laite: Not really, no! There is NO font named Monospace. Instead an alias is configured for a specific font.
[13:26] <laite> Lachezar: oh, wow
[13:26] <Lachezar> laite: There used to be an UI for specifying all (Serif, Sans, Monospace) font mappings.
[13:26] <Lachezar> laite: Now there is only one font setting.
[13:26]  * Lachezar sighs
[13:27] <ochosi> Lachezar: that was definitely a gnome-dialog
[13:27] <ochosi> Lachezar: or at least nothing xfce-specific
[13:28] <ochosi> in xfce, you can set the monospace font e.g. for the terminal in the terminal-settings
[13:28] <ochosi> that's why there's no such dialog
[13:28] <Lachezar> ochosi: Doh! That's plain wrong!
[13:28] <Lachezar> I am NOT talking about the terminal.
[13:28] <ochosi> but it might be worth filing a feature-request on bugzilla.xfce.org
[13:29] <ochosi> what ARE you talking about
[13:29] <Lachezar> It's an absurd idea to manage fonts in every application.
[13:29] <ochosi> :)
[13:29] <Lachezar> And then one upgrades to 12.04, looses the used fonts, and hell comes laughing.
[13:29] <ochosi> so anyway, what do you want to achieve?
[13:29] <ochosi> i mean with the monospace font
[13:30] <Lachezar> Eclipse uses these aliases to set up fonts (by default). Somehow after I upgraded to 12.04 the font that is supposedly monospace is no longer such.
[13:32] <ochosi> eclipse is a java-app, right?
[13:35] <Lachezar> ochosi: Yes, and No. Eclipse is a Java application, but uses SWT toolkit. That interacts with the GTK.
[13:36] <ochosi> Lachezar: yes, i'm just saying this because it's an additional source of potential bugs. personally i've never gotten java apps to look and behave like gtk-apps
[13:37] <Lachezar> ochosi: It worked until I upgraded to 12.04. No, Eclipse is probably NOT the issue.
[13:38] <drc> Lachezar: What are you upgrading from?  and ochosi: When did Xubuntu switch to Droid?  Maybe this is the cause of the now non-mono Monospace?
[13:38] <Lachezar> The same thing actually happens with Libre Office Writer.
[13:38] <ochosi> drc: we switched to droid already 3 or 4 releases ago
[13:38] <Lachezar> drc: 11:10 -> 12.04
[13:38] <drc> ok...I'm wrong :)  Just a thought
[13:38] <ochosi> Lachezar: what's the problem with libreoffice-writer?
[13:39] <Lachezar> ochosi: Have a line of text with monospace font, have the same line of thext with monospace-bold font. Both lines will be different length.
[13:39] <doktoreas> hello everybody..I have customized xfce main bar with some icons and links..is there a way (copying files or something like that) to export to a new xubuntu installation?
[13:41] <Lachezar> Yes. The problem seems to be the Droid font. With Lucida Sans Typewriter it looks as it should.
[13:41] <drc> doktoreas: ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[13:42] <doktoreas> thanks drc
[13:44] <Lachezar> So. How do I switch from Droid to Lucida?
[13:44] <ochosi> Lachezar: settings>appearance>fonts
[13:45] <Lachezar> ochosi: I can choose only one font there :(
[13:45] <Lachezar> And it's Ubuntu, not Droid.
[13:51] <ochosi> Lachezar: have you even tried using google? http://perlstalker.vuser.org/blog/sysadminnotes/tags/xfce/
[13:54] <Lachezar> ochosi: Actually I found similar one, but it required fiddling with /etc/fonts/fonts.conf, which is not what I want. The file in Home is a good tip. Failed to Google it though.
[13:55] <ochosi> Lachezar: okeydokey, still, filing a feature-request on bugzilla would be good and a benefit to all
[13:55] <Lachezar> ochosi: And Yes, I lost a lot of time trying to actually find anything with google. SEO is the worst thing that happened to Search Engines: made them useless.
[13:55] <Lachezar> ochosi: I was thinking of filing a request to fix the Droid font instead. I like it.
[13:56] <ochosi> Lachezar: yeah, that'd also be good
[14:01] <Lachezar> ochosi: Unfortunately that change made the Monospace font slanted and bold by default :(
[14:15] <velCzupa> o/
[14:16] <GridCube> hoi
[15:18] <Xifanie> Is someone knowledgeable about multiple monitors on 12.04?
[15:19] <GridCube> !ask | Xifanie
[15:20] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, I can try to help. :)
[15:21] <Xifanie> lol Alright... how do I prevent my 2nd monitor screen from being shifted to my 1st when I manually close the 2nd, and when I open it back the 2 monitors have effectively switched places?
[15:21] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Good question. I've actually never had that happen, so I'm going to plug in my 2nd monitor right now and experiment.
[15:21] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Give me a few minutes. :)
[15:22] <Xifanie> alright, thanks
[15:24] <Xifanie> I had to switch because Windows XP stopped working one day, always crashing on the logon process, never found the solution and didn't feel like reinstalling that crappy OS. Xubuntu does have a nice feel to it ;o
[15:26] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Xubuntu is very nice!
[15:27] <Xifanie> yeah, aside from all the weird problems I always encounter :P
[15:27] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Are you concerned about how to extend your desktop on Xubuntu? Because the display manager on X does not extend a desktop, it clones the screens.
[15:28] <Xifanie> I can extend it
[15:28] <Xifanie> but it seems there's no way to disable a monitor, and re-enable it and have it extended again without relogging
[15:28] <Xifanie> which is a pain because I need to disable my 2nd monitor to play World of Goo
[15:29] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Odd. I don't have that option on my setup.
[15:29] <Xifanie> it's in the settings editor
[15:29] <Xifanie> Display/Monitor/Position/X & Y
[15:29] <Xifanie> then you have to log out/in
[15:30] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, I know, but mine only reads Display.
[15:30] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, What you could try is disabling the monitor, play your game... and then when you want to extend it again, try enabling the monitor, hit Ctrl-F2 and "r" to restart the shell without restarting your session.
[15:31] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, It works for me, but I have multiple sessions enabled, and I fear that command may not work for someone using an Xubuntu-GNOME-Shell hybrid.
[15:32] <Xifanie> I'll have to play with that because when I disable to monitor it always resets the X/Y and have to set them back again manually >_<
[15:32] <Xifanie> well, we'll see
[15:32] <ochosi> Xifanie: you could use xfconf-query from the commandline
[15:32] <ochosi> that at least would make it easier to restore a certain setup
[15:33] <ochosi> we're trying to make multi-monitor support better in xubuntu, hopefully soon enough for 12.10
[15:33] <Xifanie> I've been trying all morning to search for a way to lock values in the settings editor to no avail, and I'm kinda new to Linux... I could make a script that would set my settings back right?
[15:35] <ochosi> Xifanie: yup
[15:36] <x__> Hello - i would like to know how can i have a resident antivirus ? I have tried Dazuko but it doesn't work. I need this because i do not want to send viruses to windows computers.
[15:36] <x__> Dazuko & Clamav
[15:36] <ochosi> Xifanie: but there might be a better solution to your problem as well, what was the setup again?
[15:38] <Xifanie> the setup? the 2nd monitor being right to the first
[15:38] <ochosi> Xifanie: you're not using a laptop, are you?
[15:38] <Xifanie> no
[15:38] <ochosi> ok, so 2 external screens
[15:39] <Xifanie> yeppers
[15:39] <ochosi> if i may ask, why would you disconnect one from time to time?
[15:39] <Xifanie> I'm not disconnecting any
[15:39] <cypher-neo> ochosi, Xifanie, That was my issue unfortunately. I'm running from a laptop so my display properties are different.
[15:39] <Xifanie> I'm just pushing the power button because sometimes I don't want to see what's on the second screen
[15:40] <ochosi> ok, and that changes the setup already, right?
[15:40] <Xifanie> like the normal on/off button on the front
[15:40] <Xifanie> I'm not sure, I'll test right away
[15:41] <Xifanie> oh no it doesn't change the settings, but now my first monitor displays what's supposed to be on the 2nd
[15:41] <Xifanie> and vise versa
[15:41] <Xifanie> this is reseted if I relog
[15:42] <ochosi> if you logout/in again, it's fine again?
[15:42] <Xifanie> yes
[15:42] <ochosi> that is odd
[15:42] <hobgoblin> I'd say so
[15:42] <ochosi> so switching off one monitor swaps them?
[15:42] <Xifanie> yep
[15:42] <Xifanie> always
[15:42] <ochosi> are you switching off your primary monitor maybe?
[15:42] <ochosi> or does it not matter which one you switch off?
[15:42] <Xifanie> I always keepy my primary on
[15:43] <Xifanie> I'd have to log back and try turning off my primary
[15:43] <Xifanie> brb
[15:43] <hobgoblin> I've used arandr with nouveau and twinview on nvidia and I never seen that
[15:44] <ochosi> yeah, the next question will have to be what drivers he uses
[15:44] <hobgoblin> yep
[15:44] <ochosi> anyway, i might have to leave in 5-10 min
[15:44] <ochosi> maybe one of you can follow this up
[15:44] <hobgoblin> I can try :)
[15:44] <ochosi> ty
[15:45] <x__> Hello - i would like to know how can i have a resident antivirus ? I have tried Dazuko&Clamav but it doesn't work. I need this because i do not want to send viruses to windows computers.
[15:45] <ochosi> x__: what doesn't work with clamav?
[15:45] <Xifanie> alright, my bad I'm stupid
[15:45] <ochosi> hehe
[15:45] <w30> I upgraded to 12.04 and the Unity gang's malware has borked my Emerald install again. Can anybody point me to a Emerald tat works for 21.04? Please, pretty please?
[15:45] <x__> on access scan
[15:45] <ochosi> Xifanie: so what happened? :)
[15:45] <w30> tat/that
[15:46] <Xifanie> Monitor 1: Primary / Monitor 2: Not Primary
[15:46] <x__> let's say for example i read my mails with thunderbird
[15:46] <Xifanie> If I close the first, nothing bad happens, if I close the second, the display swaps
[15:46] <GridCube> 21.04? D: thats pretty advanced stuff. XD
[15:46] <cypher-neo> :o
[15:46] <x__> if i read a mail with vireus clamav doesn't say nothing
[15:46] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: what card/driver you using?
[15:46] <ochosi> x__: hmm sorry, i use claws-mail (there's a plugin for clam-av there that works ok). maybe someone else can help
[15:47] <cypher-neo> GridCube, Back to the Future stuff... I need a DeLorean. xD
[15:47] <Xifanie> Changing X:1440/Y:132 on the first monitor to X:0/Y:0 and changing X:0/Y:0 on the second to X:1024/Y:0
[15:47] <Xifanie> just relogging doesn't work, I have to set them back
[15:47] <Xifanie> good question hobgoblin...
[15:47] <Xifanie> GForce 8600GT... as for the driver I have no idea :/
[15:48] <ochosi> ok, you can also try the proprietary nvidia drivers
[15:48] <ochosi> (if you want)
[15:48] <ochosi> you can install them by going to settings > additional drivers
[15:48] <ochosi> then you might have to install the nvidia-settings dialog as well
[15:48] <ochosi> that helps with setting up multiple displays
[15:49] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: I had no issues with either nouveau - setting the screens up with arandr nor with nvidia and twinview with an 8500GT
[15:50] <Xifanie> wow... that's pretty simple :|
[15:50] <w30> GridCube, ha ha, the mind still works but the problem is between the keyboard and the chair, duh...
[15:51] <GridCube> :) just a silly joke, but now really, i dont know about emerald, i think thats deprecated
[15:51] <ochosi> it has been deprecated for ages now...
[15:51] <ochosi> but there might still be a usable version of it in some ppa
[15:51] <ochosi> i wouldnt really recommend it though
[15:52] <Xifanie> rebooting...
[15:53] <w30> GridCube, just call me old fashioned, but I like it. Besides I can shut it off if it gets in my way. It impresses the Microsoft Aero users.
[15:53] <cypher-neo> lolol
[15:54] <cypher-neo> Everything about Linux impresses Windows users
[15:54] <x__> ochosi - does claws mail integrates with email "indicator plugin" ? ( thunderbird doesn't )
[15:54] <x__> ?
[15:54] <Xifanie> Windows isn't so bad, it just needs more looove
[15:54] <ochosi> thunderbird should integrate with the indicator-plugin as well
[15:54] <x__> it doesn't
[15:55] <hobgoblin> broken here ochosi - still says set up mail
[15:55] <ochosi> x__: with claws it's a bit more complicated, but works. i prefer using it with systray though
[15:55] <w30> ochosi, I tried several Emeralds 'till I found a Debian one that worked but 12.04 killed it and now it segfaults.
[15:55] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Would that love include an extensive core dump and complete rewrite?
[15:55] <Xifanie> I had massive Mozilla memory leaks on Windows, it was annoying
[15:55] <ochosi> hobgoblin: aha, on 12.04?
[15:55] <hobgoblin> yea
[15:55] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:55] <ochosi> have you reported a bug already?
[15:55] <hobgoblin> someone did - I me too'd it
[15:56] <ochosi> k, hadn't seen that
[15:56] <ochosi> anyway, it was supposed to be fixed in time for 12.04
[15:56] <Xifanie> cypher-neo, but that's way too much trouble! why fix something that's broken... :|
[15:56] <x__> it's not a bug - i have seen this information on many forums and the solution is Firetray
[15:56] <hobgoblin> ochosi: it worked in 12.04 during dv till about beta then broke lol
[15:57] <ochosi> anyway, g2g, have fun everyone
[15:57] <hobgoblin> cya
[15:57] <cypher-neo> LOL @ Xifanie
[15:57] <w30> Xifanie, likeBill Cosby says "tough love"
[15:57] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: still got the issue?
[15:58] <Xifanie> I'm trying to configure NVIDIA...
[15:59] <hobgoblin> k
[15:59] <Xifanie> still having issues but we'll see what I can make out of it
[16:02] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: if you want to go through it with me - ping me - mine is setup with primary on left, twinview
[16:03] <Xifanie> what's twinview?
[16:04] <hobgoblin> I have one desktop - 2 screens
[16:04] <DJzee> Asking for a opinion: is it better to run update manager through the terminal
[16:04] <Xifanie> oh, that's what I'm seeking :P
[16:07] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: http://imgur.com/a/hdmi0
[16:07] <w30> DJzee, I ran apt-get upgrade on my netbook because the gui wouldn't work and it did the upgrade successfully. Normally I run the gui.
[16:08] <Xifanie> hobgoblin: how do you set the right monitor at the bottom instead of the top?
[16:09] <w30> DJzee, normally I don't use the terminal
[16:09] <Xifanie> nevermind, I just had to press enter >_<
[16:09] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: in the settings thing just grab them and move them about
[16:09] <hobgoblin> or that :)
[16:09] <DJzee> That's what I'm doing. Everytime I run update manager lately I get a untrusted package error
[16:09] <Xifanie> that's odd, it wouldn't let me before
[16:09] <Xifanie> maybe I tried before setting to absolute
[16:10] <hobgoblin> that would do it I think Xifanie
[16:10] <Xifanie> now what? I restart? I saved the settings but I can't apply them right now
[16:10] <DJzee> W30: I hope this clears the error I'm getting
[16:11] <DJzee> w30: what distro are u running
[16:11] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: did you save to x conf file?
[16:11] <Xifanie> yes
[16:12] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: reboot then - I usually have a look at xorg.conf to make sure it's done it though      cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:12] <w30> DJzee, the command line has flags to repair messed up updates depending on what happened. I am no expert on what tod do though.
[16:13] <w30> DJzee, I am running 12.04 Xubuntu
[16:13] <Xifanie> seems to be fine
[16:13] <Xifanie> rebooting...
[16:14] <DJzee> w30: Hows 12.04? I'm gonna let the terminal do the updates then go from there
[16:15] <w30> DJzee, seems fine except it broke my Emerald binarys.
[16:16] <Xifanie> nice, it's working fine now :)
[16:16] <hobgoblin> woohoo
[16:16] <w30> DJzee, I need an Emerald that works for 12.04
[16:16] <Xifanie> I'll try disabling and re-enabling my 2nd monitor
[16:16] <GridCube> w30, well,thats to be expected, being emerald deprecated, it means no one updates it
[16:16] <Xifanie> ...my bad, it's set as one now
[16:16] <w30> DJzee, it seg faults after 21.04 upgrade.
[16:17] <DJzee> w30: hmmmm
[16:17] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: maybe you wanted seperate x screens
[16:18] <Xifanie> maybe...
[16:18] <Xifanie> because I can't see myself playing fullscreen games this way
[16:18] <Xifanie> not that I'm a big gamer or anything
[16:18] <w30> GridCube, I know, but I drove a '56 GMC pickup through the 1980's. I can't change I guess.\
[16:18] <hobgoblin> I'm not at all
[16:20] <w30> GridCube, but I know how to code for a '56 GMC. heh!
[16:20] <Xifanie> I hope this will work... rebooting
[16:21] <GridCube> :) then you might have to learn to compile and configure it by hand, because, you know if you have an old car you need a mechanic that actually understands it and pieces that you cant really get everywhere
[16:21] <drc> nah...trade it in on a new model every six months.
[16:22] <w30> drc, just lease a Mac OSX 10
[16:23] <GridCube> drc, :P well thats updating amirite
[16:24] <drc> w30: leasing a mac is like renting beer :)
[16:25] <Xifanie> oh this is awesome
[16:26] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: sorted?
[16:26] <drc> must be working :)
[16:26] <Xifanie> yep :) fullscreen game only spawning on my left screen
[16:26] <Xifanie> I just moved my swapped my panels from one screen to the other
[16:26] <Xifanie> and on/off on monitor button doesn't cause any issues
[16:26] <hobgoblin> good
[16:27] <Xifanie> thank you so much hobgoblin and ochosi
[16:27] <szerzetes> hi! I have a problem with login screen. I install ati Radeon Mobility x1600 driver from amd, and when I restart the laptop, it not load the login sceen, only the tty1.
[16:27] <szerzetes> After I loged in, and type: sudo service lightdm start, the lightdm starts and work fine
[16:27] <szerzetes> I use Xubuntu 12.04
[16:29] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: glad I could help - not that I did much :)
[16:31] <Xifanie> wow ok, this isn't working as good as I expected
[16:32] <Xifanie> they're really two individual desktops... I can't move an app from one desktop to the other
[16:33] <hobgoblin> nope - for that you need twinview ...
[16:33] <Xifanie> darnit >_<
[16:33] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: what are you trying to actually achieve other than the mysterious swapping issue
[16:34] <Xifanie> just being able to play fullscreen without the game spawning on my two screens
[16:35] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: I have full screen apps here - but only on the screen they are on
[16:35] <Xifanie> I wish...
[16:35] <hobgoblin> but I don't play games - maybe they are trying to use the desktop
[16:36] <Xifanie> apparently so
[16:37] <GridCube> Xifanie, but if you use two monitors cant you just ctrl-alt-f7/8 to the two instances?
[16:37] <Xifanie> alright, because I didn't reboot, I changed to Twinview and my mouse cursor was sent into oblivison
[16:37] <Xifanie> And I can't even read this chat... lol...
[16:40] <hobgoblin> I'd use soemthing like devilspie to send it to a specfic screen
[16:40] <Xifanie> oh crap, I forgot to switch back my panels and now they're gone
[16:40] <GridCube> lol
[16:40] <hobgoblin> they aren't gone - you just can't see them :)
[16:41] <Xifanie> gone.. from my sight of view!
[16:41] <hobgoblin> gorn - all gorn
[16:42] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: so are you now using twinview?
[16:42] <Xifanie> right now yes
[16:44] <hobgoblin> Xifanie: so now you are more or less ok with the original issue - which has got you a couple of new ones
[16:44] <Xifanie> :D
[16:44] <Xifanie> yaaay
[16:44] <hobgoblin> lol
[16:44] <Xifanie> this always happens with me
[16:45] <Xifanie> but really where the hell are those panels...
[16:45] <hobgoblin> I'd either reset the panels - but that would lose everything or just play with nvidia-settings sdo you can see them - move them and then put nvidia back
[16:46] <hobgoblin> I lost one of mine ... are the screens the same size?
[16:46] <Xifanie> I guess
[16:46] <Xifanie> no
[16:46] <Xifanie> 1440x900 and 1024x768
[16:47] <hobgoblin> that was my issue - was the panel at the top or bottom - if it was say at the bottom and you had the top edges matching - you'd not see panel as it would be below the screen
[16:47] <Xifanie> one at the top and the other at the left
[16:48] <GridCube> you cant xrandr -s resxres
[16:48] <GridCube> ?
[16:49] <Xifanie> and what does that do?
[16:49] <GridCube> sets the screen to resxres
[16:49] <GridCube> you change res by the numbers you want ofcourse
[16:49] <Xifanie> I don't see how that would help me :/
[16:51] <GridCube> well, your panels will be visible?
[16:51] <martinphone> how do I configure xubuntu to route every internet connection to a proxy?
[16:52] <GridCube> !proxy martinphone
[16:52] <GridCube> !proxy | martinphone
[16:52] <GridCube> no thats not what i wanted ubottu
[16:53] <martinphone> lol
[16:53] <astraljava> martinphone: export http_proxy=http://proxy:port
[16:53] <GridCube> martinphone, you need to set up a global variable like export http_proxy=http://proxy.com:port/
[16:53] <astraljava> martinphone: Also, https_proxy similarly.
[16:54]  * GridCube that doesnt help me to use apt-get trhough a proxy tho, not eveny launching like http_proxy=proxy:port sudo apt-get
[16:55] <astraljava> GridCube: apt-get has it's own conf file
[16:55] <GridCube> i see
[16:55] <martinphone> giving it a try...
[16:56] <astraljava> GridCube: You write to /etc/apt/apt.conf a line something like Acquire::http::Proxy "http://yourproxyaddress:proxyport";
[16:57] <martinphone> l
[16:57] <astraljava> GridCube: Although some docs seem to indicate the env variable ought to work, too. But that should _definitely_ work.
[16:58] <Xifanie> yay! 2 reboots later I have my panels back
[17:27] <StormStrikes> GridCube:  I thought I would pop back on here and tell you that I figured out why I could not write to a share folder from my printer scans.
[17:32] <GridCube> :D
[17:32] <GridCube> why not?
[17:34] <StormStrikes> GridCube: BleachBit apparently wipes out some files you need for such stuff :-(
[17:34] <GridCube> mmmhm, so i wasnt xubuntu's fault?
[17:34] <GridCube> :)
[17:36] <StormStrikes> No.  It was all mine.  I remember when I first installed Xubuntu I set up that folder and got no warnings or anything but never tried to scan to it.  But it also gave me no warnings about no write permissions.  So my thoughts centered around it being a setting somewhere.  It was in a sense, in that it was completely missing it all.
[17:36] <StormStrikes> So I did a fresh install again, tested the folder and it worked.  After that I was able to isolate it to running bleachbit, which I will never do again, LOL
[17:37] <GridCube> :D
[17:37] <GridCube> good to know
[17:38] <StormStrikes> Yes.  I thought it would help keep the system clean.  It does, by wiping anything out that it supposes you dont need.  It throws the baby out with the bathwater.
[17:39] <GridCube> hahaha :) well now go spread the word: xubuntu is awesome
[17:39] <GridCube> :P
[17:39] <GridCube> i never actually configured samba, so i couldnt relly guide you back then :) im glad that you figure it out
[17:40] <StormStrikes> I never gave up on that concept, it was just incredibly frustrating as everything seemed to point to it being an xubuntu issue.  It was so easy to do in Ubuntu.  But with with the Samba gui, its just as easy to do on Xubuntu if you dont wipe out the needed stuff.
[17:40] <GridCube> :D
[17:41] <StormStrikes> I do want to make sure I abundantly say thank you for the help you did give and the patience in trying to help out.
[17:51] <GridCube> :) dont worry, StormStrikes, giving back to the community its nice ennough, and thank you for coming back and explaining the issue, now if someone else comes with a similar problem i know a new aproach ot fix it
[17:52] <StormStrikes> No problem.  After I get done with all the final configurations, bleachbit is getting uninstalled.
[17:54] <GridCube> :)
[17:55] <StormStrikes> Before I leave to work on the configs a bit more, may I ask if there is a common resource or documentation on using exo-open and stuff like that?
[17:57] <GridCube> there might, but i dont know, knome might
[17:58] <GridCube> or maybe ochosi
[17:59] <StormStrikes> Okay.  I will check with them when I see them active.
[17:59] <GridCube> :)
[18:16] <jzbl> Hi, just installed xubuntu 12.04, haven't used ubuntu-like systems since last LTS. Can someone provide a hint on how I can install Sun/Oracle Java JRE and JDK?
[18:17] <xubuntu633> How to install xubuntu 12.04 with USB Flesh?
[18:17] <jzbl> xubuntu633: just download the iso image and use unetbootin tool (works on windows, linux and macosx)
[18:18] <jzbl> xubuntu633: I have installed the system I am running now this way
[18:19] <xubuntu633> thank you
[18:20] <jzbl> y.w.
[18:30] <Marzata> jzbl: java 7?
[18:30] <jzbl> best would be 1.6.x
[18:31] <jzbl> whatever is the newest one, I already skipped through the docs on "ubuntu" wiki docs
[18:31] <jzbl> what is the best method to install java. I don't want to use some untrusted PPA or install it manually
[18:32] <jzbl> any way to make it at least half automatic?
[18:32] <baizon> i use openjdk
[18:33] <drc> jzbl: Go back and <read> the docs, not<skip through> them...you probably would not have to ask question.
[18:33] <GridCube> jzbl, there are some ppa's around
[18:35] <jzbl> Ok guys, let me say this in another way, can I add / enable some repo that will allow me to do : apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-jdk
[18:35] <jzbl> or I have to put more effort to it ;)
[18:36] <Pici> !java
[18:36] <jzbl> and I don't want to use some random ppa that won't be updated...
[18:37] <jzbl> Pici: will check the scripts, will come back if they won't work
[18:37] <jzbl> beware ;)
[18:38]  * drc shakes in my boots...with laughter
[18:38] <cythes> Real quick how do I get windows to group together?
[18:40] <drc> cYmen: App Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Window Manager>Advanced>Windows Snapping....is this what you want?
[18:41] <drc> oops cythes ^^
[18:41] <cythes> No, I mean if I have more then one chrome running it stacks them up so it only takes up one slot on the taskbar.
[18:43] <cythes> I know it can be done since I have done it in xubuntu before (Actually about 2 hours ago when I just installed it again)
[18:43] <drc> Right Mouse click on Windows Buttons>Properties
[18:43] <cythes> Bingo drc Thanks :)
[18:43] <drc> np
[18:44] <cythes> Now I must install vlc and then reboot.
[18:50] <jzbl> used the git scipt, still processing something
[18:50] <jzbl> yawn
[19:21] <Debolaz> How are notifications handled in xubuntu? Similar to Ubuntu, or are they more the annoying clickable kind?
[19:22] <xubuntu167> hello
[19:22] <baizon> dont know how ubuntu handles it
[19:22] <baizon> but indicator is taken from ubuntu :)
[19:23] <drc> Annoying clickable...but you can customize the time they stay up...Apps Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Notifications
[19:27] <xubuntu167> having a semi little issue with my remote xubuntu setup.  I currently can ssh & rdp via (rdp (from win7) to xubuntu (xrdp/vino)) but I can't seem to find anything on how to change the resolution of the session.  In the .rdp file on windows the resolution is set @ 1440x900, however the screen or session from the xubuntu machine is 1024x768.  is there any way to force the resolution to 1440x900?
[20:13] <dipnlik> hi. how can I create one-click shortcuts for frequently used apps?
[20:16] <drc> dipnlik: App Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Keyboard>App Shortcuts
[20:17] <drc> Or did you mean mouse clicks?
[20:17] <dipnlik> drc: yeah, i meant mouse clicks
[20:17] <drc> as in add to the menu
[20:17] <drc> ?
[20:17] <dipnlik> preferably to the side of the menu
[20:18] <drc> App Menu>Settings>Main Menu
[20:18] <dipnlik> or a dock at the sides of the screen or the bottom
[20:20] <drc> Right Click on panel, Panel Preferences...add a panel.  Then right click on panel, choose the panel and Add Items (I have only one panel so I can't give exact directions)
[20:21] <drc> So...take your pick, Menu or Panel :)
[20:21] <dipnlik> drc: awesome, will spend a few minutes there. thanks!
[20:22] <dipnlik> haha, I just noticed there's a dock at the bottom of the screen (i'm running xubuntu on a vm in a window, so it's hard to hit screen edges)
[20:23] <drc> yeah, it's on auto hide, so just add a launcher to that and point it to the app you want.
[20:24] <drc> you can take it off auto hide, it's panel 2 in the panel prefs
[20:25] <dipnlik> drc: ok, thank you
[20:38] <drc> oh...dipnlik:  This is 4.8 (I forgot)...you can just grab an icon/app off the menu and drag it to the panel...much easier than make a new one.
[20:45] <dipnlik> drc: haha, definitely easier, good to know
[21:30] <cypher-neo> Xifanie, Hello. How are the monitors? Still working correctly with no switchups?
[21:49] <Xifanie> yep, all working fine :) My problem with World of Goo comes from the game badly designed
[22:27] <w30> darn, the clouds rolled in; no transit here in Northwestern Illinois....
[22:28] <drc> w30: http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream1&hpt=hp_c2  Better than nothing
[22:29] <w30> drc, thanks
[22:29] <drc> np
[23:30] <rhomboetric> hi!
[23:31] <rhomboetric> anyone here using pamusb authentication?
[23:31] <rhomboetric> i did the setup using the ubuntu wiki entry about pamusb authentication
[23:31] <rhomboetric> i configured a usb stick, that worked
[23:31] <rhomboetric> but whenever i want to start a programm using sudo xy
[23:32] <rhomboetric> it authenticated succesfully with the usb stick
[23:32] <rhomboetric> but the right pw is entered wrong somehow
[23:32] <rhomboetric> anyone heard/read about this?


[01:08]  * chrisccoulson wonders why users feel compelled to report the same bug several times
[01:59] <kenvandine> jono, they did
[01:59] <jono> kenvandine, still having a tonne of problems
[01:59] <jono> it is hosed now for me
[02:00] <kenvandine> how so?
[02:01] <jono> kenvandine, I see the Gwibber window, but it doesnt show anything when I select Messages or Replies
[02:02] <jono> and it wont post
[02:02] <kenvandine> run it from a terminal
[02:02] <kenvandine> open two tabs, and run killall gwibber gwibber-daemon
[02:02] <kenvandine> then run gwibber-daemon -d in one terminal
[02:02] <kenvandine> and gwibber in the other
[02:02] <kenvandine> so we can see what the output is
[02:04] <jono> kenvandine, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/289723/
[02:05] <kenvandine> ok, one sec
[02:05] <kenvandine> gconftool-2 --get /apps/gwibber/preferences/theme
[02:06] <kenvandine> what does that say?
[02:09] <kenvandine> jono, ^^
[02:10] <jono> dark-gwilouche
[02:10] <jono> kenvandine, ^
[02:11] <kenvandine> ok
[02:11] <kenvandine> gconftool-2 --unset /apps/gwibber/preferences/theme
[02:11]  * kenvandine needs to fix that
[02:11] <kenvandine> damn!
[02:12] <kenvandine> ok, i reproduced it here
[03:09] <kenvandine> jono, that bug is fixed now, thanks!
[03:28] <jono> kenvandine, wicked :)
[04:36]  * ccheney sees very weird merge conflicts and hopes bzr isn't eating his repo
[05:20] <ccheney> grr my 'much faster' cable modem is even slower than my old slow dsl
[05:21] <ccheney> not even getting 3mbps and it is supposed to be 6mbps minimum
[05:29] <Amaranth> ccheney: 6mbps to the neighborhood maybe
[05:29] <Amaranth> ccheney: you've got a neighbor who likes torrents
[05:35] <ccheney> Amaranth: its a bit weird i always seem to hit the same limit its right around 3mbps, i think i might be capped lower than i am supposed to be
[05:35]  * ccheney will have to call in and verify his connection isn't setup wrong
[05:36] <ccheney> its supposed to be 6mbps burst to 12mbps and i have yet to see it ever exceed ~ 3mbps but it does do that regularly
[05:46]  * ccheney will have to do the OOo upload tomorrow, this is taking forever to download the bits i need
[05:46]  * ccheney needs to test to somewhere other than ubuntu mirror to make sure its not the mirror being overloaded
[06:25] <ccheney> Amaranth: apparently they are working on the headend so its much slower than usual
[06:25]  * ccheney heads off to bed, will finish the build once they give me usable bandwidth again
[08:11] <mac_v> lool: error in last update > Bug 443311, wrong icon was changed
[09:19] <lool> mac_v: Yeah this kept showing in the diff, I don't know why
[09:20] <lool> I think it was an effect of using a .diff.gz
[09:20] <lool> Pain :-(
[10:05] <mac_v> lool: the several links in humanity are a hack , i'v spent quite sometime figuring out which goes where , its easier if i made a tar and you upload it
[10:13] <mac_v> oh , you already fixed it ;)
[10:33] <tgpraveen> mac_v: any reason why the release team didnt want different icons for usb drives and local harddisks
[10:33] <tgpraveen> ?
[10:33] <mac_v> tgpraveen: i dont know... see the last comment ;)
[10:36] <tgpraveen> hmm so now it has been decided that it definetely wont be in karmic humanity . and that last comment is asking whether it should be in humanity upstream release or not right?
[10:45] <mac_v> tgpraveen: you are even more confused than me ;p ...
[10:46] <mac_v> tgpraveen: there is nothing in the comment which says what you'v assumed
[10:48] <tgpraveen> umm.. so in the last comment where loic minier says "release team" he means ubuntu release team?
[10:48] <tgpraveen> i guess as in the 1st par he talks about humanity and next i am guessing about humanity-icon-theme (ubuntu) os i am confused
[10:48] <tgpraveen> *so
[11:03] <cdE|Woozy> mac_v, bug #447850. the shutdown icon in the window that opens when you hit your physical power button really is supposed to be smaller than the other icons in that window? it looks a bit out of place (at least indentation-wise)
[11:03] <mac_v> cdE|Woozy: those icons are for the gdm only
[11:04] <cdE|Woozy> that's why it only looks strange when you hit your physical power button when you are in gdm ;)
[11:04] <mac_v> oh lol..! ok i didnt realize that
[11:04] <cdE|Woozy> the screenshot I attached is from gdm
[11:05] <mac_v> cdE|Woozy: just a sec let me confirm the bug
[11:05] <cdE|Woozy> :)
[11:09] <mac_v> cdE|Woozy: how are you getting the confirmation dialogue?  are you not using the indicator-session?
[11:10] <mac_v> i dont get a confirmation dialogue , i just get direct options
[11:10] <mac_v> which if i choose the action occurs
[11:11] <cdE|Woozy> I hit the power button of my laptop when I'm in GDM
[11:11] <cdE|Woozy> then the window you see in the screenshot appears and asks me what I want to do
[11:11] <diverse_izzue> who do i best bother with suspend/resume questions?
[11:14] <mac_v> cdE|Woozy: doesnt seem to work that way for me i dont get the prompt even while using the button, i'll revert it back to new :)
[11:16] <cdE|Woozy> hm, I'll try to reproduce it on a fresh install I have on another disk, in case I screwed something up *reboot*
[11:42] <cdE|Woozy> mac_v, also happens on a fresh installation. I attached a short video to the bug that shows how to trigger this
[11:43] <mac_v> cdE|Woozy: i'v added a comment , the login theme just needs to copy one icon from Humanity to the 48px folder
[11:46] <cdE|Woozy> great, thanks!
[12:38] <mac_v> lool: the latest update didnt fix it either! , i just made the gsd-xrandr a color icon , it is still a symlink , you need to change it to a file
[12:38] <mac_v> s/i/it
[13:24] <lool> mac_v: Hmm nack, last update fixes it for me
[13:24] <lool> mac_v: Remove your icon cache, reinstall the package?
[13:25] <lool> mac_v: Ah but I'm using Humanity, not -Dark
[13:26] <lool> mac_v: If I check Preferences, I see a colour icon in Humanity at least
[13:26] <lool> mac_v: And with Humanity-Dark too
[13:26] <lool> mac_v: What's your testcase?
[13:27] <lool> mac_v: Ah it's the other symlink which you want to fix
[13:28] <lool> Hmm no, the icon is in B&W here
[13:34] <lool> Odd, now I can reproduce
[13:37] <lool> mac_v: Should we drop Humanity-Dark/apps/48/gsd-xrandr.svg too?
[13:38] <lool> mac_v: It's a dup
[13:50] <lool> Bah such a mess
[13:57] <mac_v> lool: only the 24px humanity icon gsd-xgrandr needs to be a file rather than s symlink
[13:57] <mac_v> a*
[13:59] <mac_v> lool: the 48px humanity-dark should *not* be dropped , it is needed
[14:25] <lool> mac_v: See my latest comment
[14:28] <lool> mac_v: Works in humanity/humanity-dark for me with ubuntu3 (in the menu and in the n-a)
[14:28] <lool> mac_v: Did I mention I hate icon themes?   :)
[14:30] <mac_v> lool: this would have been simpler if you had just used a tar.gz ;)
[14:31] <mac_v> lool: its easier not having the symlink for the 48px , hence the file
[14:35] <mac_v> lool: BTW, what is the benefit of hiaving the file as a symlink rather than a file? dont both use the same file size
[14:40] <lool> mac_v: This would have been simpler 3 MONTHS AGO
[14:41] <lool> mac_v: A symlink uses less space
[14:42] <lool> mac_v: The core problem is that I need to apply file level changes to my tree at this point of the cycle, can't use new tarballs of lp:humanity since it moved too far forward, and doing file level changes like "replacing a symlink with a file" or "renaming a file" or updating a binary file are hard to do with Debian packaging, and hard to copy from a bzr commit to a real tree
[14:42] <lool> mac_v: It would be the exact same problem with a tarball
[14:42]  * lool disappears
[14:56] <lool> mac_v: Try du -hs to see how much space files use; in practice it's not really correct for symlinks
[14:56] <lool> Since they use an inode
[14:58] <mac_v> lool: du -hs shows 35M , while checking the folder properties shows 31.4M
[15:02] <mac_v> ideally themes just use icon-naming-utils to create the symlinks , but the greyscale icons require hacks so it wont work for humanity
[15:14] <lool> mac_v: Run it on each file
[15:15] <lool> mac_v: folder properties doesn't account for disk usage though, only for size
[15:15] <lool> mac_v: Well why wouldn't the symlink I described work?
[15:17] <mac_v> lool: it will work for ubuntu , but for the problem for correcting the bzr, is when we update the files separately , we also have the themes as separate themes so then it wouldnt work , we would have to check this for other files too
[15:17] <mac_v> if we have to add a tar of humanity-dark alone , then such files would have to be checked and corrected individually
[15:21] <mac_v> lool: BTW , how to create a icon-theme.cache? i mean , what is the command to be used?
[15:29] <lool> mac_v: Quite the contrary, there's less risk that the icon doesn't out of date in Humanity-Dark if you make it a symlink....
[15:30] <lool> mac_v: update-icon-caches $dir if possible; otherwise gtk-update-icon-cache
[15:31] <mac_v> lool: when the user installs the individual theme  , the theme gets installed in the ~/.icons so there the humanity theme wouldnt be there... i thought this would lead to dangling symlinks... would this not be a problem?
[15:41] <lool> mac_v: Is it an use case that people install Humanity-Dark manually and not Humanity?
[15:41] <lool> mac_v: Perhaps it would be best to use different icons for the .desktop file and the notification-area, that would solve the issue I guess
[15:41] <lool> Instead of abusing sizes for this
[15:43] <mac_v> lool: https://launchpad.net/humanity/+download , we had to separate themes , since users cannot install the two themes together by just dropping the tar.gz into the appearances window .. there was a bug fr this
[15:47] <lool> God
[15:47] <mac_v> lool: when we had the two themes together in the tar.gz we got this bug > Bug #441231 .. we have to actually create a ppa , just havent got to it yet
[15:47] <lool> Dont count on me to package them with separate tarballs
[15:47] <mac_v> hehe , ;p
[15:48] <mac_v> no... that was just for the users who want to do it separately...  ;)
[15:48] <mac_v> lool: the team's next task is to create a ppa , that would solve this problem
[15:49] <lool> mac_v: Well not if you want to continue distributing theme tarballs
[15:50] <mac_v>  tar balls , are nice and easy for us , but its better to have a ppa , so that the users can be updated without having them to check manually


[14:02] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[14:02] <tumbleweed> hi
[14:03] <tumbleweed> warning, I'm in the middle of a "planned" outage at work, so my attention is divided
[14:05] <bdrung> anyone else? we are not enough even with Laney
[14:07]  * stgraber waves
[14:07] <stgraber> my phone thinks the meeting is in an hour though
[14:08] <bdrung> DST?
[14:08] <stgraber> and it's wrong ;)
[14:08] <stgraber> yeah, apparently my calendar event was on some weird timezone instead of UTC
[14:09] <tumbleweed> who owns the event?
[14:09] <tumbleweed> (do we know?)
[14:09] <bdrung> barry
[14:10] <bdrung> tumbleweed: or you if we skip unavailable members
[14:11] <tumbleweed> I meant the fridge calendar event. The person who put it there can change its timezone
[14:11] <bdrung> ups. dunno
[14:12] <tumbleweed> bdrung: aren't you the chair after barry?
[14:13] <tumbleweed> I thought we went in the order of https://launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+members
[14:13] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i was chair when stgraber wasn't attending
[14:14] <bdrung> so i will be skipped once
[14:14] <tumbleweed> wow, I am next then
[14:14] <stgraber> congratulations :)
[14:14] <tumbleweed> ok, so shall we get this rolling, we're pretty late already
[14:14] <wookey> :-)
[14:14] <tumbleweed> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
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[14:15] <tumbleweed> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:15] <tumbleweed> stgraber: is the wiki up to date, there?
[14:15] <tumbleweed> they all belong to micahg, as usual:
[14:15] <tumbleweed>     micahg to document the zentyal packageset
[14:15] <tumbleweed>     micahg to ask docs people if they want to apply for a packageset
[14:15] <stgraber> tumbleweed: yep
[14:16] <tumbleweed> so, moving on
[14:17] <tumbleweed> #topic Core Developer Application for Wookey
[14:17] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wookey/DeveloperApplication
[14:17] <tumbleweed> wookey: would you care to introduce your application?
[14:18] <wookey> erm, yes.
[14:18] <wookey> I've been a DD for over a decade, and recently have been doing some Ubuntu work as side-effect of being in Linaro
[14:19] <wookey> I've doing things that affect $everything: cross-building, and multiarch
[14:19] <wookey> And when debian is frozen it makes sense to upload things to ubuntu directly
[14:20] <wookey> I've been filing patches for some time now and have been encouraged to apply for actual membership so I can do stuff without having to pester others for Ubuntu uploads
[14:20] <wookey> Obviously I can do Debian uploads as required already
[14:21] <wookey> that's the core of it
[14:21] <tumbleweed> thanks
[14:21] <tumbleweed> questions for wookey?
[14:22] <wookey> currently I'm doing the arm64 bootstrap, mostly in Ubuntu because the multiarch state is much more advanced here
[14:22] <barry> sorry folks, system problems this morning :(
[14:24] <wookey> look - shiny results: http://people.linaro.org/~wookey/buildd/quantal-arm64/sbuild-ma/status-bootstrap.html
[14:25] <tumbleweed> I assume everyone is still busy re-reading your appplication (or twiddling their thumbs or something)
[14:25] <tumbleweed> wookey: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[14:25] <wookey> Or there are no questions :-)
[14:26] <wookey> tumbleweed: I don't think so
[14:26] <wookey> Easy enough to fix
[14:26] <xnox> wookey: did any of ubuntu / lp systems require two names?
[14:26] <bdrung> i just checked xdeb. the current situation looks good.
[14:26] <tumbleweed> thanks, it's where freezes etc are announced
[14:26] <wookey> xnox: not that I recall - pleasingly little agravation on that front
[14:27] <xnox> wookey: ok cool.
[14:27] <wookey> yes xdeb is in maintenance mode now really
[14:27] <xnox> (for context http://wookware.org/name.html )
[14:27] <wookey> multiarch is the one true way forward
[14:29] <wookey> OK. subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce
[14:29] <barry> wookey: you have experience in developing software for debian, ubuntu, and linaro.  how would you compare the workflows, and what do you think would be the 1-3 most important things to do to improve developing and sharing s/w across all three communities?
[14:30] <wookey> The presuambly tell me when we enter 'stopped syncing' and 'feature freeze' etc?
[14:30] <wookey> Hmm. potentially long-answer question :-)
[14:30] <wookey> I was surprsied how much difference there is in internal process between debian and Ubuntu.
[14:30] <barry> wookey: agreed
[14:31] <wookey> That part is almost completely different in many ways
[14:31] <wookey> Linaro was effectively just camping on ubuntu processes/machinery for 1st two years, but is now trying to separate itself
[14:31] <wookey> I think the sharing part is much more about culture than process
[14:32] <wookey> I pretty-much ignored Ubuntu for years, probably like many DDs as 'just another derivative' and not really anything I had to take much notice of beyond getting occaisional patch back
[14:32] <wookey> And that was just habit.
[14:33] <bdrung> what changed then?
[14:33] <wookey> BUt once I had a reason to use it I found some thing easier to get done in Ubuntu than debian, due to very-fast patch turnaround
[14:33] <wookey> I got a job where a) official desktop was Ubuntu (ARM), and images being produced were ubuntu (linaro)
[14:34] <wookey> Now that I understand the Ubuntu processes I view Debian and Ubuntu as essentially 'the same thing'
[14:34] <wookey> And just do work fixes in both as much as possible, with a bias to doing it in Debian first as that's less work all round
[14:35] <wookey> I think zak has done a great job of getting Debian and Ubuntu to ignore each other less
[14:35] <barry> wookey: quick question: when you work on ubuntu packages, do you generally apt-get source or bzr branch?
[14:36] <wookey> So I guess the answer to the question is 'nurture the projects that encourage upstreaming and cross-distro work'
[14:36] <wookey> I'm old-fashion - I apt-get source
[14:36] <wookey> I was just reading the merging page and thing that maybe I should look at useing that work-flow
[14:36] <wookey> thinking
[14:37] <wookey> Because it'll be easier to keep moving patches forward that aren't fully upstremaed yet.
[14:37] <barry> wookey: cool, thanks for your answers (there's no right or wrong answer, i am just curious :)
[14:37] <stgraber> wookey: So, let's say you want to get mythtv into precise-updates on the 15th of January 2013 for a fix that's just been published upstream. What would you do and what can you do?
[14:37] <wookey> It is hard work keeping track of patches in quantal/raring/unstable/experiemntal
[14:38] <wookey> I'd go read the ubuntu developer docs, and then probably ask someone to check
[14:38] <wookey> One good thing about ubuntu is that process is _much_ better documented than debian
[14:39] <stgraber> how much do you currently know about the SRU process? did you do any SRU?
[14:40] <wookey> I have done a couple of SRUs yes
[14:40] <tumbleweed> after this question is complete, we'll go to a vote
[14:40] <stgraber> ok, so if you get a fix into Debian experimental that you want into precise-updates, where should you upload that fix?
[14:42] <wookey> sorry someon asking questions here
[14:42] <wookey> I was wondering today whether Ubuntu ever pulls from experiemntal. The docs say only from testing or unstable
[14:43] <wookey> So I presume you never do that.
[14:43] <stgraber> well, you can manually sync from experimental, syncpackage lets you do that, we just don't do it automatically
[14:44] <stgraber> so let's say you have the new version into raring (as it's where it needs to land first anyway), where do you go from there to get it into precise-updates?
[14:44] <bdrung> we often sync from experimental when debian is in freeze
[14:44] <wookey> OK, so I guess I'd file an SRU requesting tosync/merge the version from experiemental
[14:45] <stgraber> tumbleweed: I guess we're out of time, we probably should vote now
[14:45] <tumbleweed> yeah
[14:45] <wookey> I don't know. I'd ask #release on IRC
[14:46] <tumbleweed> #voters stgraber barry tumbleweed bdrung Laney
[14:46] <meetingology> Current voters: Laney barry bdrung stgraber tumbleweed
[14:46] <tumbleweed> #vote grant wookey core-dev rights?
[14:46] <meetingology> Please vote on: grant wookey core-dev rights?
[14:46] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[14:47] <stgraber> +0 [Not satisfied regarding the knowledge of Ubuntu processes but on the other hand, I'm sure wookey will ask before doing anything he doesn't know]
[14:47] <meetingology> +0 [Not satisfied regarding the knowledge of Ubuntu processes but on the other hand, I'm sure wookey will ask before doing anything he doesn't know] received from stgraber
[14:48] <barry> +0 [more familiarity w/ubuntu process would be good, but i think by asking lots of question for bits you don't know, you'll be okay]
[14:48] <meetingology> +0 [more familiarity w/ubuntu process would be good, but i think by asking lots of question for bits you don't know, you'll be okay] received from barry
[14:50] <tumbleweed> +1 [ I'm also concerned about the ubuntu process knowledge, I am fairly confident that this wouldn't be dangerous to the project, but would expect more from a core-dev ]
[14:50] <meetingology> +1 [ I'm also concerned about the ubuntu process knowledge, I am fairly confident that this wouldn't be dangerous to the project, but would expect more from a core-dev ] received from tumbleweed
[14:50] <tumbleweed> err that was supposed to be +0, edting ftl
[14:50] <tumbleweed> +0
[14:50] <meetingology> +0 received from tumbleweed
[14:51] <tumbleweed> bdrung: ?
[14:53] <bdrung> +0 [ same option as the other voters ]
[14:53] <meetingology> +0 [ same option as the other voters ] received from bdrung
[14:53] <tumbleweed> #endvote
[14:53] <meetingology> Voting ended on: grant wookey core-dev rights?
[14:53] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:4
[14:53] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[14:53] <tumbleweed> pish, meetingology
[14:54] <tumbleweed> wookey: I'm sorry we couldn't accept your application right now. I suggest getting a little more experience with the procedures around SRUs and freezes
[14:54] <wookey> yeah. fair enough. It wasn;t me that said I was ready :-)
[14:55] <tumbleweed> hope to see you again soon
[14:55] <wookey> I've usually dealing with unstable /letest, so have not worried about SRUs much
[14:55] <tumbleweed> #topic Dmitry Shachnev's PPU application for retext and unity-mail
[14:55] <mitya57> Hi barry, bdrung, stgraber, tumbleweed!
[14:56] <barry> hi mitya57
[14:56] <tumbleweed> mitya57: hi, we're able to run over time a little
[14:56] <stgraber> wookey: I have no doubt that you are ready from a technical point of view but the freezes and SRU processes are important when contributing to the Ubuntu project so I hope to see you apply again soon
[14:56] <tumbleweed> so, we should be able to process your application
[14:56] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DmitryShachnev/PPUApplication
[14:56] <tumbleweed> mitya57: please introduce yourself and your application
[14:56] <mitya57> OK
[14:57] <mitya57> I'm developer of ReText editor and some other smaller projects, usually written in Python
[14:57] <mitya57> In Ubuntu, I'm involved with my apps, their dependencies, and some python stuff
[14:57] <mitya57> Last week I was, for example, adding/fixing dep-8 tests for pygments, python-markdown and nose
[14:57] <mitya57> Earlier this cycle I was involved with Python 3.3 transition of sphinx/python-docutils
[14:58] <mitya57> I'm also Ubuntu packaging guide contributor and do some other random things
[14:58] <mitya57> ... and I'm also Debian maintainer (since this spring) and member of some teams there (Python + JavaScript)
[14:59] <mitya57> I would like to start with these two packages because these are my "oldest" ones and I've done more uploads for them than for anything else
[15:00] <tumbleweed> I saw very little discussion of your Debian work on your application. For reference - http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=Dmitry%20Shachnev
[15:01] <mitya57> tumbleweed, in fact, I'm having 4 unsponsored items in Debian right now, so that list will grow soon
[15:01] <mitya57> (I hope)
[15:01] <tumbleweed> :)
[15:01] <tumbleweed> any questions for mitya57?
[15:01] <bdrung> mitya57: why is unity-mail a native package?
[15:02] <mitya57> bdrung, because it was written exclusively for Ubuntu and I maintain packaging in the same branch as source code
[15:03] <bdrung> mitya57: maybe one day unity can be deployed on other systems than Ubuntu (e.g. Debian). will it be still good to have it as native package?
[15:04] <mitya57> bdrung, I think it is possible to change format in future
[15:04] <mitya57> but right now I don't see any need
[15:04]  * Laney phases in
[15:04] <mitya57> Hi Laney
[15:05] <barry> mitya57: how painful has it been working with quilt in udd branches?
[15:05] <bdrung> barry: very painful (that's what i remember from my last try)
[15:05] <mitya57> barry: for example, patches are stored applied by default but when I create a new patch, it doesn't get applied by default
[15:06] <barry> mitya57: i know ;}
[15:06] <mitya57> and also there are some packages whose maintainers don't care about making them build twice in a row,
[15:06] <mitya57> so when you clone such a package from udd it won't build
[15:06] <barry> mitya57: perhaps the build tools should help enforce that?
[15:06] <mitya57> "nose" is my recent example
[15:07] <mitya57> barry, of course, but I meant it's not perfect _by default_
[15:09] <barry> mitya57: in the meantime, we could improve the docs i suppose.  i can't recall anywhere where this issue is even discussed (though it comes up in sponsor reviews)
[15:11] <tumbleweed> mitya57: where you paying attention earlier, and did you subscribe to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[15:11] <mitya57> tumbleweed: I am subscribed
[15:11] <mitya57> "where" — you mean Debian vs Ubuntu?
[15:12] <mitya57> If so, Ubuntu of course :)
[15:12] <tumbleweed> *were
[15:12]  * tumbleweed is tired, long day of fighting fires at work
[15:13] <tumbleweed> mitya57: so, when do we expect you to come back with a MOTU application?
[15:14] <mitya57> tumbleweed, If I were writing my application today, I would apply for MOTU. But I was writing it in September (and today was the first slot suitable for me)...
[15:14] <mitya57> ... so I decided to leave it as is.
[15:15] <tumbleweed> it'd be nice to see work on a wider range of packages, for that
[15:16] <mitya57> tumbleweed, that's in progress :)
[15:16] <tumbleweed> as a DM, I assume you're already familiar with the upload process?
[15:17] <mitya57> Yes, I am. The only difference is that our uploads are source-only, right?
[15:18] <tumbleweed> yup
[15:18] <tumbleweed> and you've the Ubuntu tools for syncing, finding merges you need to do, etc?
[15:18] <tumbleweed> you've *seen*
[15:18] <mitya57> yes, I have seen that
[15:18] <tumbleweed> bdrung: you have a question?
[15:18] <bdrung> mitya57: How does it come that you do your work in Debian first?
[15:19] <bdrung> (besides the Ubuntu-only unity-mail)
[15:19] <mitya57> bdrung, I had read that the Debian is primary place to upload new packages to, so I went there...
[15:19] <bdrung> good to see that we communicate it clearly :)
[15:19] <mitya57> ah, you said "do", not "did"
[15:20] <mitya57> The ideal workflow for me is getting a package uploaded to Debian, and then getting it synced
[15:21] <bdrung> the tool syncpackage is handy for doing the sync
[15:21] <mitya57> bdrung, I meant that when I said I was familiar with the tools
[15:22] <tumbleweed> ok, looks like we're done with questions
[15:22] <tumbleweed> #vote grant mitya57 PPU rights on retext and unity-mail?
[15:22] <meetingology> Please vote on: grant mitya57 PPU rights on retext and unity-mail?
[15:22] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:22] <Laney> +1 looking forward to you coming back to apply for MOTU soon with a little more experience
[15:23] <meetingology> +1 looking forward to you coming back to apply for MOTU soon with a little more experience received from Laney
[15:23] <bdrung> +1
[15:23] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[15:23] <barry> +1
[15:23] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[15:23] <tumbleweed> +1
[15:23] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[15:24] <tumbleweed> stgraber?
[15:28] <stgraber> +1
[15:28] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:29] <tumbleweed> #endvote
[15:29] <meetingology> Voting ended on: grant mitya57 PPU rights on retext and unity-mail?
[15:29] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:29] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:29] <bdrung> mitya57: btw, do you want to become an uploader (in Debian) of ubuntu-packaging-guide?
[15:29] <tumbleweed> mitya57: welcome, we hope to see you back soon for MOTU rights
[15:29] <tumbleweed> #topic any other business?
[15:30] <mitya57> bdrung, I won't be against that
[15:30] <mitya57> \o/ thanks everybody!
[15:30] <bdrung> mitya57: feel free to add yourself to the list in the bzr branch.
[15:30] <tumbleweed> next chair: barry
[15:31] <tumbleweed> backup: cody-somerville
[15:31] <tumbleweed> anything else?
[15:31] <bdrung> reducing the after-meeting-things-to-do list
[15:32] <bdrung> can we reduce or automate the paperwork?
[15:33] <tumbleweed> not trivially, that i can think of
[15:35] <tumbleweed> looks like we've run out of things to say
[15:35] <tumbleweed> #endmeeting
[15:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Nov 19 15:35:37 2012 UTC.
[15:35] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-19-14.14.moin.txt
[15:35] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-19-14.14.html
[15:35] <tumbleweed> thanks everyone
[15:36] <barry> tumbleweed: thanks
[15:36] <tumbleweed> stgraber: you'll add the PPU rights?
[15:36]  * tumbleweed added him to the ubuntu-dev team
[15:37] <stgraber> tumbleweed: yep, sometimes later today (sorta busy atm)
[15:41] <dholbach> congratulations mitya57!
[15:42] <mitya57> danke dholbach!
[15:42] <dholbach> :-)
[15:43] <stgraber> tumbleweed, mitya57: PPU added
[15:44] <mitya57> thanks once again!
[15:44] <mitya57> I will test it soon for new unity-mail :)
[15:44] <dholbach> awesome :)
[18:01] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:02] <tyhicks> hello!
[18:02] <jjohansen> hi
[18:02] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Nov 19 18:02:07 2012 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:02] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:02] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:02] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:02] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:03] <mdeslaur> hi!
[18:03] <jdstrand> it is a short week for me. I'm off Thu and Fri
[18:03] <jdstrand> I'm on triage
[18:04] <jdstrand> I have a pending update and a small regression fix I need to do for python-django
[18:04] <jdstrand> I also am working on packaging for secure boot db/dbx updates
[18:04] <jdstrand> I think that is it for me
[18:04] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:05] <mdeslaur> I'm on community this week
[18:05] <mdeslaur> and I'm currently working on a python-keyring fix, that is turning into a can of worms
[18:05] <mdeslaur> I've almost caught all the worms though
[18:05] <mdeslaur> after that, I'll continue going down the list
[18:05] <mdeslaur> I have a virt-manager work item I hope to poke at this week too
[18:05] <mdeslaur> that's it for me
[18:06] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[18:06] <sbeattie> I have a short week this week, I'm off weds through fri
[18:06] <sbeattie> I'm still poking at the display manager apparmor stuff
[18:07] <sbeattie> I also am slowly reviewing jjohansen's parser patches
[18:07] <sbeattie> that's it for me
[18:07] <sbeattie> tyhicks: I think micahg's not here at the moment, so you're up
[18:07] <micahg> no, I'm here
[18:07] <sbeattie> oops, sorry
[18:08] <micahg> I've got the Mozilla releases tomorrow and then webkit
[18:08] <micahg> and short week (off Thu)
[18:08] <micahg> tyhicks: you're up
[18:08] <tyhicks> Short week for me as I'm off Thursday and Friday
[18:08] <tyhicks> I'm finally wrapping up the audit debdiff for the audit MIR
[18:09] <tyhicks> I have a small bit of testing left for the ecryptfs-utils SRU (didn't make much progress on it last week)
[18:09] <tyhicks> and the apparmor dbus work
[18:09] <tyhicks> that's it
[18:09] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:09] <jjohansen> short week for me as well, I am off Thursday and Friday
[18:10] <jjohansen> I am going to finish getting the latest revision of the new interface and rcu locking work up for people to look at and play with (sticking it in a ppa)
[18:10] <jjohansen> and then I will try to get the labeling part of the stacking work up for people to play with before the end of the week
[18:10] <mdeslaur> bunch of turkey eaters
[18:11] <jjohansen> that is it for me, sarnold your up
[18:11] <jjohansen> Mmmmm turkey
[18:11] <sarnold> short week for me, off thursday, will be eating mashed potatos and who knows what else... mmm.
[18:12]  * micahg won't be having turkey, but that's another story
[18:12] <sarnold> still working on the perl update, some new tests added with cgi.pm security patches are failing during builds, it will take some investigation, as the problem wasn't obvious.
[18:12] <sarnold> I'll answer the testing team's question about uinput today, here's hoping that simple facl are sufficient..
[18:13] <sarnold> slightly off-topic, I installed my pandaboard this weekend :) fun little thing.
[18:13] <sarnold> jdstrand: here's the token!
[18:13] <mdeslaur> sarnold: let me know if you get stuck with the perl stuff
[18:13] <sarnold> mdeslaur: thanks
[18:13] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:13] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:13] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:13] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/freeciv.html
[18:13] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ziproxy.html
[18:13] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/glusterfs.html
[18:14] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/smarty3.html
[18:14] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pgbouncer.html
[18:14] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:14] <mdeslaur> sarnold: I believe the old thinkfinger packages used to override permissions for uinput, maybe you can take a look at that
[18:14] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:15] <sarnold> mdeslaur: ooh, quite old, edgy. :) thanks.
[18:17] <mdeslaur> sarnold: could have been in a ubuntu-specific patch also, can't remember
[18:18] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold: thanks!
[18:18] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Nov 19 18:18:20 2012 UTC.
[18:18] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-19-18.02.moin.txt
[18:18] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-19-18.02.html
[18:18] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[18:18] <micahg> jdstrand: thanks
[18:18] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:18] <tyhicks> thanks!
[18:18] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand :)


[09:08] <Laney> print(Gst.Caps.can_intersectillllli"can_intersect: %s, is_subset: %s" % ( (caps1, caps2))jhla,
[09:09] <Laney> yk
[09:09] <Laney> khhhhhhhhhhx:w
[09:09] <Laney> y
[09:09] <Laney> :q
[09:09] <Laney> haha
[09:09] <Laney> sorry about that


[00:22] <daftykins> toodle pipski
[06:52] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:33] <zxmoy-pi> belated o/
[09:34] <brobostigon> o/
[09:58] <daftykins> \o
[10:22] <knightwise> hey everyone
[11:04] <daftykins> heh some senior clients are struggling with being switched to G Suite email from Thunderbird
[11:05] <daftykins> no way i'm going back to supporting naff desktop clients
[11:08] <diddledan> is that senior as in important, or senior as in old fogeys? ;-p
[11:08] <daftykins> the latter :D
[11:08] <daftykins> self-confessed 'luddites'
[11:08] <diddledan> \o/
[11:09] <daftykins> i got tired of the emergency email recovery after the granddaughter repeatedly throwing drinks over the laptops and PCs over the years
[11:09] <daftykins> much better to have something that's accessible from elsewhere in the event of another beverage bonanza ;D
[11:09] <diddledan> in lookout.pst files?
[11:10] <daftykins> nah they're too tight to license Office even
[11:12] <daftykins> some seem to really resist threaded emails
[11:14] <diddledan> o_O
[11:15] <diddledan> weirdos
[11:15] <zxmoy-pi> well... thunderbird... used to love it but they completely mozillaed it...
[11:15] <daftykins> it's sucked from inception really, no decent import/export features so it's tough to get things out when you want to escape, too
[11:16] <zxmoy-pi> when i was using it, it was like a better version of outlook express which was my preferred client on windows way back when
[11:16] <zxmoy-pi> i could store my email profile on ipod classic and access it on mac or pc from the ipod
[11:17] <daftykins> mmm though it's never hard to beat the MS defaults that should never be touched with a bargepole :D i think i did originally put it in for these folk in the early 2000s
[11:17] <zxmoy-pi> back then it was good
[11:17] <daftykins> i'd not go that far :D
[11:17] <daftykins> the idea of a client at all now just makes me laugh
[11:17] <diddledan> I _really_ hate the verbose reply header on lookout emails
[11:18] <zxmoy-pi> i abandoned it when they 'improved' it by changing the database backend that slowed it down and made search broken
[11:18] <diddledan> 5 lines for every reply
[11:18] <daftykins> diddledan: huh?
[11:18] <diddledan> let me dig one out
[11:19] <daftykins> zxmoy-pi: seems they did give them a dev again so this new v60 is the first change in forever
[11:19] <daftykins> i was horrified to see that an email account is mandatory before you can even start using it though, sometimes i want to just manipulate storage files with it, not use email
[11:20] <diddledan> this is the header included on emails when you click reply in lookout:
[11:20] <diddledan> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kfHOYk75/
[11:21] <diddledan> with the reply above that usually
[11:21] <diddledan> backasswards replies :-)
[11:22] <daftykins> ah in the message body?
[11:22] <diddledan> yup
[11:22] <diddledan> what's wrong with "On $date, $who said:"
[11:22] <daftykins> once i've had a to and fro with folks i delete everything in replies and just have single sentence responses :D none of that repeated signature rubbish, too
[11:23] <daftykins> or forced ongoing "hi, message, bye"
[11:23] <diddledan> lookout doesn't indent the replied-to content either
[11:24] <daftykins> oh another of my clients website guys has gone AWOL, not replied to either of us in months
[11:24] <diddledan> oh dear
[11:24] <daftykins> he seems to be using one of those security plugins for their wordpress so it's just locked out all login attempts on the first try, too
[11:24] <daftykins> seems ace
[11:24] <daftykins> :D
[11:26] <diddledan> hah. just had an email from CPC claiming to promote "NEW IN: Freesat HD Recorders" - of the four products listed, one is a freesat box, the other three are freeview boxes
[11:26] <daftykins> \o/
[11:27] <zxmoy-pi> i really should get a tv when they sort out the whole digital tv thing.... any day now.... ::waits:: :-)
[11:27] <diddledan> "why is this email saying it's freesat?" .. "well there's one freesat box"
[11:27] <daftykins> what do you mean by 'sort it out' ?
[11:28] <diddledan> wait, digital tv isn't sorted out?
[11:28] <diddledan> oh, ireland
[11:28] <daftykins> xD
[11:28] <diddledan> thems be dragon waters
[11:28] <daftykins> in fairness i've heard that a couple of channels have dumped freesat entirely so are only available on freeview now
[11:29] <diddledan> yeah, some of the channel 4 stuff is only on freeview now
[11:29] <daftykins> and Dave
[11:29] <diddledan> oh yeah, dave
[11:29] <daftykins> and you can't get much on freeview down here since nobody is willing to pay to broadcast it for some reason
[11:29] <diddledan> :-(
[11:29] <diddledan> so you're stuck with content-tv or statellites?
[11:30] <diddledan> continent*
[11:30] <daftykins> well because town here is on the east coast and built on a hill, the only line-of-sight transmitter is over on Jersey, that's the only reason i picked up a lot of French channels the time i played with the HDHomeRun box i got
[11:30] <diddledan> or do you have a weird islands tv?
[11:31] <daftykins> we either get local news or BBC south-west on the usual suspects
[11:31]  * diddledan petpet hdhr
[11:31] <daftykins> you got one is it?
[11:31] <diddledan> yup
[11:31] <daftykins> mines now in London so i can VPN up to my clients place then stream it from there :D
[11:31] <daftykins> own personal IPTV
[11:32] <diddledan> got my plex configured to use it
[11:32] <daftykins> i wanted to play with that so his smart TVs down in Spain could tune in via the native Plex app, but the only thing we have to host PMS in London is the synology NAS which isn't a transcode capable model
[11:32] <daftykins> so it was a non-starter sadly
[11:33] <diddledan> dang
[11:33] <daftykins> however with the help of a mate, we knocked up a .m3u playlist with all the channels, so you can just fire up a channel at will
[11:33] <daftykins> (by loading the playlist in VLC)
[11:34] <daftykins> that gets around needing the HDHomeRun client app, so it works fine over the VPNs
[11:34] <diddledan> you should be able to access a rudimentary channel list on http://$hdhr-ip/
[11:35] <daftykins> oddly we found that it'd permit the first 1 or 2 visits then the 3rd would get error'd
[11:35] <daftykins> the channels aren't gonna change really though, so the static playlist works nicely
[11:36] <daftykins> also means i can remove the unsavoury channels so their young son won't see them
[11:36] <diddledan> yey
[11:51] <zxmoy-pi> for me digitial tv's main problem is that everywere sells smart tvs and i don't want a smart tv... oh and reality tv filling the channels was a reason not to replace my last tv when it died...
[11:52] <daftykins> you do need to get over the tinfoil hat approach to tech, if you don't want to use the features just don't put it on the network via wired/wifi - no reason to eschew the entire product line
[11:52] <daftykins> the very same hardware providing the modern image processing tech is what guarantees a model becomes smart, so you can't have one without the other now really
[11:52] <zxmoy-pi> you don't know me at all :-D
[11:53] <daftykins> definitely agree on the utter tripe content on broadcast being a good reason not to bother, although i just tend to use mine as glorified monitors
[11:54] <zxmoy-pi> i _have_ thought of getting a really nice monitor and adding a cheap media stick of some sort other than google
[11:56] <daftykins> unlikely to get a truly normally behaving one with HDMI and speakers, even with smart TVs you'd end up going to an external device at some point since they get dumped for support after a couple of years
[11:57] <daftykins> a friend up in England there had tried to go super cheap with a 'Seizo' brand TV from Currys, £160 and 32" - but the software seized up within 2 weeks of use, stopping all functions from working
[11:57] <zxmoy-pi> yeah, sound i suspect i'd be ok with a bt headset or even wired headphones.
[11:58] <zxmoy-pi> when you need to reboot your tv.... :-)
[11:58] <daftykins> it'd be rare to even find a socket in a monitor though
[11:59] <daftykins> can't avoid updates!
[12:01] <zxmoy-pi> was reading a few days back of a phone shipped with bitcoin mining malware in rom... security and updates are a bad joke these days....
[12:01] <daftykins> well they are when you buy the shifty unknown brands as that one was
[12:02] <zxmoy-pi> which means there will never be a new up and coming brand?
[12:02] <daftykins> also a lot of these reports refer to China where they typically get their apps through sharing the packages or using suspect third party sources so all bets are off from the outset, can't let the truth get in the way of a good headline though
[12:03] <daftykins> sure there will, like OnePlus was... but then they had a bit of a fiasco about data harvesting from devices and so on too
[12:03] <daftykins> i'm just pretty sure that particular story was an asia-only brand that didn't fill you with confidence just reading the name of
[12:05] <zxmoy-pi> yeah, but i do see some wacky brands in some of the more obscure phone shops about dublin... how does the average punter protect themselves
[12:05] <daftykins> it's not like the common man has ever truly been catered for with tech
[12:06] <zxmoy-pi> all the 'best' phone shops are in working class areas here...
[12:07] <daftykins> high street shop rent must be as insane as the town here
[12:07] <daftykins> more empty spots than open shops, now
[12:07] <zxmoy-pi> dublin is stupid money expensive... apple did look to open a store but decided dublin was too expensive... :-)
[12:08] <daftykins> heh figures
[12:10] <zxmoy-pi> unless they want to open a stall next to honest ivans phone repair shop next to the halal butchers on moore street.... :-P
[12:12] <daftykins> hmm i should get another machine down to the charity shop today, help clear out my office ;)
[12:14] <zxmoy-pi> any of the others sold, do you know?
[12:18] <daftykins> the staff were still making space for it last i heard, but this is the last of the 3 i was gonna get them going on, then we'll see how it goes
[12:18] <zxmoy-pi> fingers crossed...


[00:55] <jhutchins> Guest3717: Not for this channel.
[00:55] <oerheks> not?
[00:56] <jhutchins> oerheks: not.
[00:56] <Remy> oerheks, leef je nog,, jij ook zo laat..?
[00:56] <jhutchins> Although also not Guest3717
[00:56] <jhutchins> Bloody vagrants.
[01:02] <Guest3755> test
[01:02] <Guest3755> Hi
[01:02] <Guest3755> I turned Ubuntu Share on and port forwared port 5900, but the phone's RealVNC fails to connect to Ubuntu?
[01:03] <Guest3755> A tcpdump on Ubuntu's vm router shows no packets on port 5900?
[01:03] <Guest3755> Maybe I should run a tcpdump from ubuntu.
[01:04] <oerheks> tcp & udp 5900
[01:04] <Guest3755> oerheks, ok
[01:04] <oerheks> also, install gufw, much easier control
[01:04] <Guest3755> oerheks, thx
[10:16] <Guest81> hi people I have a problem. My main SSD disk is almost full. I want to move my /home folder to another internal hard disk
[10:16] <Guest81> I do not have any /home partition.  What is the best way to accomplish what I want?
[10:17] <Guest81> like, it seems I could just move the whole folder and that would be it?
[10:17] <Guest81> I don't need to mount any partition, right ?
[10:17] <Guest81> I do not want to "mount" anything, as far as I know.  my internal hard disk has already stuff in it, and is mounted in /mnt/something
[10:18] <Guest81> that's where I could move my /home folder. would that make sense?
[10:27] <tomreyn> Guest81: what's the file system type of what's mounted at /mnt/something ?
[10:28] <Guest81> ext4 I think
[10:29] <jorx> Hello. I've installed ubuntu-desktop-23.04-amd right now. While trying to configure a VPN connection on gnome network preferences, in the Identity tab of the VPN configuration an error shows up not permitting the VPN to be configured. Error says: "Error: unable to load VPN connection editor). Is this a bug ? Where is the right place to report ?
[10:29] <jorx> Thank you.
[10:29] <tomreyn> so then, yes, you could just copy the contents of your /home/username directory to /mnt/something/home/username , for example
[10:29] <tomreyn> Guest81: ^
[10:29] <Guest81> thanks a lot tomreyn
[10:29] <tomreyn> you should do so while your user is not logged in.
[10:30] <tomreyn> that is, ideally from a recovery shell. and when you're done, you will want to set a symbolic link at /home/username pointing to /mnt/something/home/username
[10:31] <tomreyn> !recovery | Guest81
[10:31] <Guest81> I see, thanks a lot tomrey
[10:31] <tomreyn> this will allow you to login to a shell while your user is not active.
[10:31] <Guest81> I need to write down the exact commands
[10:32] <Guest81> coz in recovery shell I dont have internet
[10:32] <Guest81> first I copy the /home folder to the new disk
[10:34] <tomreyn> jorx: what type of vpn connection are you setting up there?
[10:35] <jorx> tomreyn: fortisslvpn
[10:35] <Guest81> tomreyn to copy the files, would the following be OK? rsync -avz /home/guest81 /mnt/external-drive/home/guest81
[10:37] <tomreyn> jorx: sudo apt update && sudo apt install network-manager-fortisslvpn-gnome
[10:38] <jorx> tomreyn: yes, this is has been already done
[10:39] <tomreyn> Guest81: i'd say you want     rsync -avz /home/guest81 /mnt/external-drive/home/
[10:39] <tomreyn> Guest81: or the entire /home - your choice...
[10:39] <Guest81> thx I think it's the same
[10:39] <Guest81> single user
[10:40] <tomreyn> Guest81: make sure that the external disk drive's file system is actually mounted before you do
[10:40] <Guest81> it is
[10:41] <tomreyn> you may need to create /mnt/external-drive/home if not copying all of /home - but you'll see an error message about that
[10:41] <Guest81> yeah fixed it
[10:41] <Guest81> wait, I am doing it now while logged it
[10:41] <Guest81> logged in
[10:43] <jorx> tomreyn: found this is a known bug. Just found it on launchpad. Bug #1992475. It has a workaround so will have a try.
[10:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1992475 in network-manager-fortisslvpn (Ubuntu) "'unable to load VPN connection editor' when adding VPN connection" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1992475
[10:44] <Guest81> tomreyn what about the symlink ?  I wouldnt want to mess this up
[10:47] <tomreyn> Guest81: mv /home/username{,.OLD} && ln -s /mnt/external-drive/home/username /home/username  # or, if moving all of /home :    mv /home{,.OLD} && ln -s /mnt/external-drive/home /home
[10:47] <Guest81> instead of mv, I'm using rsync
[10:47] <Guest81> to preserve all permissions
[10:47] <Guest81> it's taking ages though
[10:48] <tomreyn> Guest81: another option (to the symbolic link) would be a so-called "bind mount" (read up on the "mount(8)" man page about it, the optiun is "--bind")
[10:49] <tomreyn> when you run cp or mv as root, it also preserves permissions by default. but rsync is a good idea, since you'll be able to resume easily in case of an error.
[10:49] <Guest81> yeah i've seen https://askubuntu.com/questions/465493/how-can-i-symlink-my-home-folder-from-another-drive but dont understand what im supposed to do
[10:50] <Guest81> about the bind thing. do i still need the symlink?  and what should i do at every restart
[10:50] <tomreyn> if rsync take sa long time, maybe your external disk has a low bandwidth connection or is physically slow at writing.
[10:50] <Guest81> it's just not an SSD
[10:50] <jorx> tomreyn: workaround provided in the bug report did the trick. thank you indeed.
[10:50] <tomreyn> jorx: i'm glad you found that bug report :)
[10:55] <tomreyn> Guest81: to use the bind mount, you'd need to edit /etc/fstab
[10:57] <tomreyn> if you already mount the external drives' file system to /mnt/external-drive in fstab, then adding a bind mount is as easy as (assuming all of /home is being replaced):  /mnt/external-drive/home /home none defaults,bind 0 0
[10:58] <tomreyn> Guest81: be aware that your system may fail to boot up properly (systemd does not handle this well) if you do this and the external disk is not connected or its file system fails to mount for other reasons.
[11:01] <tomreyn> using      /mnt/external-drive/home /home none defaults,bind,nofail 0 0     in /etc/fstab would make systemd handle this gracefully. but then you'd still run into a problem because your home directory would be missing, or newly created at the old location.
[11:04] <Guest81> damn , i think i will cancel everything then
[11:04] <Guest81> i have no time to fix stuff on this computer, i will be out of town for months
[11:04] <Guest81> i didnt want to bother with partitions and mounting
[11:04] <alkisg> Guest81: just mount your external drive as /home, then you can copy stuff
[11:04] <Guest81> if copy and symlink dont work, i will cancel
[11:07] <BCB> I recently upgraded to jammy and not sure why but my Postfix is refusing connections and faliing with - fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms.  Any suggestions?
[11:07] <weedmic> Guest81: you are probably done, but for next time, boot with clonezilla and do device to device - faster than dd faster than rsync - preserves evertyhing.
[11:10] <Guest81> not done at all weedmic
[11:11] <Guest81> it takes like 1 min per file or so
[11:12] <alkisg> AFAIK clonezilla can't transfer subdirectories like /home (when it's not a separate partition), it's for whole partitions or disks...
[11:13] <weedmic> did you move the /tmp to the empty hdd?
[11:17] <weedmic> I should suggest, make a clonezilla boot image, boot with that and do device to device.  4tb takes less than 60 mins - if the estimate is higher, then the source hdd may be damaged and require fixing first - you can determine that with ???ctl commands (I'm trying to remember what it was)
[11:17] <alkisg> smartctl -a
[11:17] <weedmic> yes, smart - leterally looking at the word :D
[11:17] <alkisg> But it sounds like he's using a usb2 port if it's that slow
[11:19] <weedmic> if he is trying to copy from sda to sdb and /tmp is on sda - and sda is full - how is it going to work?  he can move /tmp to the new drive or simply reboot and copy, but yes usb2 is slow, but... now slower than trying to write a few k every few secs to a full drive.
[11:19] <weedmic> I am, however, not there and can't be sure - but... it sure seems like it is (to me).
[11:20] <weedmic> sudo smartctl --test=short /dev/sda (test the full drive)
[11:20] <weedmic> examine all the data - smartctl -x /dev/sda
[11:39] <tomreyn> BCB: read the Debian.README, if still needed also the 'apt changelog' between your previous and current version. or just read up on the postfix manual how to do sasl authentication with your current postfix version.
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:20] <Yakov> need assist to make my keyboard blacklight
[13:20] <Yakov> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1336414/how-do-i-enable-keyboard-backlight-in-ubuntu-20-04-02-on-dell-g5-laptop
[13:20] <Yakov> what should I put in line | 2.Check whether the keyboard brightness settings are accessible:
[13:54] <Yakov> if someone replied, ping pls
[13:55] <ice9> is it possible to lock session without turning off screen?
[13:57] <jordi_> jordi2323
[14:45] <webchat65> Hello Ubuntu,
[14:45] <webchat65> I notice that the Version scheme changes on libc6 libraries from focal to Jammy  (i.e On the jammy libc6 packages i observe that on the libraries name minor version  has been dropped out and only major is present which is not the case in focal libc6 package).May I know the reason behind this decision, Is this the path (version scheme) that Ubuntu
[14:45] <webchat65> is taking forward for all other of its library packages and if possible is there any way to get old convention (libname major version. minor version)  back like installing some package or change settings
[14:45] <webchat65> Example
[14:45] <webchat65> libdl name on focal:/usr/x86_64-linux-gnux32/lib64/libdl-2.31.so
[14:45] <webchat65> libdl name on jammy:/usr/x86_64-linux-gnux32/lib64/libdl.so.2
[19:03] <mesa_no_exdis> hi. i'm running ubuntu 22.04.3, with a mesa intel xe graphics card. ever since i installed ubuntu 22.04.2, my computer doesnt recognize my external monitor (usb-c to usb-c). other computers in the house have no trouble. help?
[19:09] <w0lm4b> hi
[19:27] <tomreyn> mesa_no_exdis: does it work with the bios screen, or with any other operating system on this computer, or did it work with an earlier ubuntu version?
[19:28] <mesa_no_exdis> tomreyn, before i installed ubuntu 22.04.2, it worked fine
[19:28] <tomreyn> mesa_no_exdis: also make sure you have all bios updates and all ubuntu updates installed (there recently was an addition to linux-firmware for intel xe).
[19:28] <tomreyn> mesa_no_exdis: what was it running before you installed ubuntu 22.04.2?
[19:29] <mesa_no_exdis> err... ubuntu 22.04.1 i think
[19:29] <tomreyn> so you mean you just installed updates, or you reinstalled ubuntu, using a 22.04.2 ISO?
[19:30] <mesa_no_exdis> i upgraded. i had installed whichever version preceeded 22.04.2 (i'm assuming .1) via iso
[19:31] <tomreyn> i see. so i'm guessing this is an issue with the HWE kernel, and you previously had the GA kernel.
[19:31] <tomreyn> you can install the GA kernel again, removing the HWE kernel: https://gist.github.com/tomreyn/8d7675840d7bc7389b32e4d8887ca449
[19:32] <tomreyn> cat /proc/version    will report which kernel version you are currently running. and this command lists all installed kernel packages:  apt list --installed linux-image*
[19:34] <mesa_no_exdis> Linux version 6.2.0-26-generic (buildd@bos03-amd64-042) (x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-11 (Ubuntu 11.3.0-1ubuntu1~22.04.1) 11.3.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.38) #26~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Jul 13 16:27:29 UTC 2
[19:34] <mesa_no_exdis> where here is my kernel?
[19:34] <tomreyn> 6.2.0-26-generic (Ubuntu 11.3.0-1ubuntu1~22.04.1)
[19:35] <mesa_no_exdis> ah
[19:35] <mesa_no_exdis> so should i go ahead and replace the hwe kernel with ga?
[19:35] <tomreyn> the default (GA) kernel of 22.04 is <IP_ADDRESS>.76
[19:36] <tomreyn> give it a try. it's reversible, and may be easier for now than trying to find out what is causing it not to work now.
[19:39] <mesa_no_exdis> okay, i ran the command according to the github post
[19:39] <mesa_no_exdis> simply reboot and see?
[19:42] <mesa_no_exdis> still not detecting the monitor
[19:45] <tomreyn> hmm ist it running the GA kernel now, though?
[23:35] <pender> hello
[23:38] <pender> irc is so dead
[23:38] <pender> why does no one respond to me
[23:39] <leftyfb> !support | pender


[15:44] <teward> wgrant: cjwatson: can one of you squish a comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1513065 please?  comment by user 'emma' serves nothing more than 'spam' since it's advertising themselves and their comment has nothing to do with the question at hand.
[15:52] <cjwatson> teward: done
[15:55] <teward> cjwatson: thank you kindly
[21:29] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uftrace/0.9.0-1/+build/15588311 looks stuck