[08:40] <kaisoz> hi there
[08:40] <kaisoz> I have an Aquaris E5
[08:40] <kaisoz> the Android edition, but I installed Utouch on it
[08:40] <kaisoz> I had no SIM card and now I have a new one but the phone is not detecting it
[08:40] <kaisoz> my Android phone is detecting the card perfectly
[08:42] <kaisoz> The Aquaris SIM slots used to work, since I tried few months ago and was working
[08:42] <kaisoz> maybe anybody has a clue about this?
[08:45] <Stanley00> kaisoz: did you try enable/disable flight mode or reboot the phone with sim card?
[08:47] <kaisoz> I tried to reboot it several times
[08:47] <kaisoz> in fact, each time I changed the slot I rebooted the phone
[08:47] <kaisoz> I don't know if maybe enabling/disabling the flight mode is faster...
[08:48] <kaisoz> is pretty weird... now I tried with the SIM card I have in the Android phone and it's not working neither...
[08:52] <kaisoz> vei8
[09:10] <kaisoz> so, do I need to reboot the phone each time I change the SIM card?
[09:10] <kaisoz> is it enough just to enable/disable the flight mode?
[09:13] <Stanley00> kaisoz: I think it should work without setting flight mode. But in case it doesn't work, you can try with flight mode first, then reboot if the former doesn't work either
[09:15] <kaisoz> I don't really get why it's note detecting any sim card..
[09:15] <kaisoz> in any slot..
[09:17] <Stanley00> kaisoz: hmm, maybe you should reflash anroid image on it to make sure sim card slot is still functional.
[09:19] <kaisoz> yes.. that's a good idea..
[09:19] <kaisoz> hope that the sim slot is still working...
[09:23] <kaisoz> thanks Stanley00
[09:23] <kaisoz> by the way, can I force an Ota/update re-installation:?
[09:23] <popey> sim trays frequently break in phones
[09:24] <Stanley00> kaisoz: I think ubuntu-device-flash have an option to specify version to install
[09:25] <kaisoz> thanks Stanley00
[09:25] <kaisoz> popey, do that has no solution at all right...?
[09:25] <Stanley00> kaisoz: that option is --revision= , you just need to map to the right ota then
[09:26] <kaisoz> thx Stanley00!!
[09:27] <popey> well, does "nmcli d" on the device show the radios?
[09:28] <kaisoz> just the wifi connection
[09:29] <kaisoz> gsm are unavailable
[09:29] <popey> hm
[09:29] <popey> well, that's not conclusive :)
[09:29] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23337754/ is what I see on mine
[09:30] <popey> i have a sim in mine
[09:30] <kaisoz> yes, I see sth similar, the only difference is the wlan0 status, which shows as connectd
[09:30] <kaisoz> connected
[09:31] <popey> now I have connected to wifi, mine does too...
[09:31] <popey> wlan0    wifi      connected    Canonical
[09:31] <kaisoz> by they way, should enabling and disabling flight mode force SIM detection?
[09:32] <popey> i assume mine is "unavailable" because I am roaming in another country, and have set roaming disabled
[09:32] <kaisoz> or do I need to reboot the phone each time?
[09:32] <popey> there's a script in ofono, which can poke the sim
[09:32] <popey> let me find it
[09:32] <kaisoz> thx :)
[09:32] <popey> they're in /usr/share/ofono/scripts/ on the device
[09:33] <kaisoz> rilmodem/test-sim-online?
[09:33] <popey> try /usr/share/ofono/scripts/get-network-time
[09:33] <popey> { UTC =<PHONE_NUMBER>, DST = 1, Received = 124, Timezone = 7200, MobileCountryCode = 204, MobileNetworkCode = 16 }
[09:34] <kaisoz> {}
[09:34] <kaisoz> :S
[09:34] <popey> I am roaming, yet it is registered on the network so knows what country I am in (204 is .nl)
[09:34] <popey> hm
[09:34] <kaisoz> looks like it's not really detecting it...
[09:34] <popey> try /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems
[09:35] <Stanley00> hmm... I think that ril_0 is just for cell data, right?
[09:35] <popey> each ril_* device is one modem
[09:35] <popey> takes a little while to run
[09:36] <kaisoz> there you go
[09:36] <kaisoz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23337776/
[09:36] <kaisoz> I see lots of "Fake" xD
[09:36] <popey> ok, so that's no sim seen
[09:37] <popey> if it saw the sim you'd get way more output
[09:37] <popey> clean the sim? :)
[09:37] <kaisoz> I'll try that :)
[09:37] <kaisoz> do you have an Aquaris?
[09:37] <popey> I do, but not with me. My device is a Pro 5
[09:37] <popey> my aquaris is at home
[09:38] <kaisoz> just curious, do you develop with the phone or with the emulator?
[09:38] <Stanley00> I got an E5 here, if you need any info
[09:38] <kaisoz> thanks Stanley00
[09:38] <kaisoz> I'll try to clean the SIM
[09:39] <kaisoz> Stanley00, I have a nanosim with an adaptor
[09:39] <popey> also make sure it's up the right way ;)
[09:39] <kaisoz> to microsim
[09:40] <kaisoz> does the SIM need to be like lower from the tray level?
[09:40] <kaisoz> do you know what I mean?
[09:40] <Stanley00> hmm... I don't think you can put it the wrong way
[09:43] <kaisoz> cleaned...and the same problem..
[09:43] <kaisoz> maybe it broke
[09:43] <kaisoz> somehow...
[09:44] <kaisoz> popey, so if the SIM is working, just calling the list-modems scripts I should see something without rebooting right?
[09:46] <popey> kaisoz: I don't think we support hot swap of sims
[09:47] <popey> i think you need to reboot
[09:47] <kaisoz> oka
[09:48] <kaisoz> same result :(
[09:48] <kaisoz> so... looks like my Aquaris died
[09:48] <kaisoz> somehow
[09:49] <popey> shame
[09:50] <om26er> did it run out of water ?
[09:50] <kaisoz> by the way, another question... I've been playing doing some development... lately with unity8.. what If want to restore the version I got from the last update? Is there any way?
[09:50] <popey> restore the version of what?
[09:52] <kaisoz> I did some changes in unity8 and pushed it to the phone. It works good but now I would like to restore the version I got from the last update (last daily revision I get from the update server)
[09:52] <kaisoz> do you know what I mean?
[09:52] <kaisoz> I want to discard my version and install the official one
[09:53] <kaisoz> I could discard my changes in the code so it looks like the one in launchpad, recompile and push it again, but I would like to know If there's a faster way
[09:53] <sil2100> kaisoz: yes
[09:54] <sil2100> kaisoz: since you made your system rw, all you need to know is force-install with apt-get install unity8 of the version it was previously
[09:54] <sil2100> Like, apt-get install unity8=version_number (as root on the phone)
[09:55] <sil2100> s/know/do
[09:55] <kaisoz> perfect! thx!
[09:55] <sil2100> You can get the previously installed unity8 version through the image manifest or by simply browsing the apt history
[09:55] <sil2100> yw!
[09:59] <kaisoz> sil2100, how do I see the image manifest?1
[10:01] <sil2100> kaisoz: I have a script that fetches it from the right locations, if you have snappy enabled on your host PC then just do sudo snap install landing-team-tools, then just use th landing-team-tools.get-image-manifest script
[10:01] <sil2100> kaisoz: like `landing-team-tools.get-image-manifest ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en krillin 451`
[10:01] <sil2100> kaisoz: I can quickly fetch it for you if you don't want to install anything
[10:02] <kaisoz> sure! I'll give you the version, anyway I'll install it, looks interesting :)
[10:02] <kaisoz> many thanks!
[10:02] <sil2100> Just need to know the channel, device and version ;)
[10:02] <sil2100> There's a lot of useful scripts there (some broken right now, but yeah)
[10:03] <kaisoz> device name: vegetahd
[10:03] <kaisoz> channel: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[10:03] <kaisoz> version version: 445
[10:03] <sil2100> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23337857/
[10:04] <sil2100> This should be your manifest, e.g. what packages are installed on build time
[10:04] <sil2100> 8.14+15.04.20160922-0ubuntu1 is the unity8 version that was coming from the archives
[10:04] <kaisoz> so doing
[10:05] <kaisoz> apt-get install unity8=8.14+15.04.20160922-0ubuntu1
[10:05] <kaisoz> should be enough right? :)
[10:05] <sil2100> Yeah - in case, when rebuilding unity8 you didn't change the version number, you might add --reinstall
[10:05] <sil2100> so apt-get install --reinstall unity8=version
[10:05] <kaisoz> ahh!
[10:05] <sil2100> But yeah, I guess it should just work as is
[10:05] <kaisoz> great
[10:05] <kaisoz> many thanks sil2100
[10:06] <sil2100> yw! Hope it all works as intended
[10:16] <kaisoz> sil2100, I installed the snap package but I cannot find the landing-team-tools commands... do I need to enable something?
[10:19] <sil2100> Oh? landing-team-tools.* doesn't work?
[10:20] <sil2100> Strange! You have all snappy-related packages installed, like the ubuntu-core-launcher etc.?
[10:22] <kaisoz> $ snap list
[10:22] <kaisoz> Name                Version  Rev  Developer  Notes
[10:22] <kaisoz> landing-team-tools  0.1      1    sil2100    -
[10:22] <kaisoz> ubuntu-core         16.04.1  423  canonical  -
[10:22] <kaisoz> that's it
[10:23] <sil2100> And, for instance, landing-team-tools.image-info does not work?
[10:23] <kaisoz> not found :(
[10:23] <sil2100> Damn, hm, not sure if that's anything wrong with my snap or with snappy itself - what ubuntu version are you running?
[10:23] <kaisoz> 16.10
[10:25] <sil2100> Only tested it on 16.04, but as a snap it should work anywhere, not sure what's wrong with the paths in that case... could you check echo $PATH and see if /snap/bin is added to the path?
[10:26] <kaisoz> that's the problem :)
[10:26] <kaisoz> I should have checked that at first hehe
[10:26] <sil2100> Oh, maybe start a new terminal, maybe after installing snappy it didn't get the PATH updated or something
[10:27] <kaisoz> nop... still the same problem... I'll have a look at that.. meanwhile, I'll add it to the PATH
[10:27] <kaisoz> thank you for your help, it works like a charm :)
[10:27] <sil2100> \o/ I'm fixing some of those scripts that are broken, but some can be a bit useful sometimes
[10:31] <Stanley00> I wonder when I will get 16.04 update to my E5 phone... last time I check (maybe in Jun), I cannot boot it with devel-proposed channel.
[11:48] <matv1> gd day folks
[11:48] <matv1> my N4 isnt connecting to my wifi network(wpa personal) anymore.
[11:49] <matv1> tried all the usual remedies: reboot phone, switch flightmode on and off. even restarted the router.
[11:49] <matv1> The pw hasnt changed. The phone still sees the network. just refuses to connect.
[11:49] <matv1> oh this is on latest rc-proposed channel
[11:50] <matv1> I guess I could just delete the networking listing and reconfigure it. That would probably work. But I thought I should troubleshoot first
[11:51] <matv1> any logs I should look at for this? or is it a known issue on rc-proposed?
[11:56] <applemuncy> Good morning matv1  : )
[11:57] <matv1> \0/
[11:59]  * matv1 forgot it was sprint-week and all his usual helpers have left for sunny Barbados :)
[12:01] <applemuncy> Ha Ha Ha
[12:13] <applemuncy> matv1, I take it development continues for the Nexus 4 ?
[12:15] <matv1> applemuncy yes I still get nightly builds for rc-proposed
[12:18] <applemuncy> I had thought it had more or less finished. I loaded stable awhile back just to checkout how mature touch was on my N4.
[12:21] <sil2100> It's an official platform still, although right now it gets rather lower QA than the others
[14:59] <mardy> jgdx: hi! I get this using xenial+overlay: -- Checking for module 'libqtdbusmock-1'
[14:59] <mardy> --   No package 'libqtdbusmock-1' found
[14:59] <mardy> jgdx: missing dep?
[17:40] <Akiiki> I'm new to Ubuntu-Touch and I would like to know if I could still flash any android device. Especially the high end ones like OnePlus 3
[19:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[19:16] <mike00> Hi all, I have my bq aquaris E4.5 that today decide to create me some problem ...
[19:16] <mike00> 1) he doesn't recognise any SIM
[19:17] <mike00> 2) on the drop down menu the "indicator-network" is empty
[19:18] <mike00> 3) I see on my router that he is connected on the wifi, but on the phone I cannot switch on/off wifi connection
[19:19] <mike00> (in the settings panel there is no more the swicth)
[19:20] <mike00> 4) Telegram always says "waiting for the network", but he receive messages
[19:21] <mike00> anyone could have any idea about I can do?
[19:23] <mike00> Obviously I tried to reboot it more and more, with SIM, without sim, with another sim, ... no way


[03:18] <user|19> y u there no wireless wifi here i have to use ethernet
[11:37] <cbus> does kubuntu work with secure boot?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:12] <user|65> Hello
[12:12] <user|65> Is there anyone online ？
[13:37] <mparillo> Yes, Kubuntu should work with Secure Boot.
 i can't upgrade those 5 packages : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/096bda5a/Screenshot_20220514_213440.png
 i tried  sudo apt upgrade   sudo apt full-upgrade
 and what dose kept back mean
[20:33] <valorie> @oov it means that some of the other files needed are not yet released
[20:33] <valorie> don't try to force it; just wait until it is safe to update
[20:34] <valorie> you want your first command to be sudo apt update, then the full-upgrade
[20:35] <valorie> update pulls down the info on the latest packages; then full-upgrade does the safe install


[00:42] <bryce> added some totals at the bottom now
[08:42] <tseliot> tjaalton: doing this works for me (if I update the packages)
[08:42] <tseliot> http://pastebin.com/m1b462677
[08:43] <tseliot> no problem whatsoever
[08:43] <tseliot> it doesn't complain about a missing libwfb.so
[08:43] <tseliot> let me restart the Xserver
[08:46] <tseliot> tjaalton: it works well
[08:47] <tjaalton> well, doesn't work here
[08:48] <tseliot> did you remove the libwfb manually before?
[08:48] <tjaalton> no
[08:48] <tjaalton> so you have the correct libwfb.so in place?
[09:12] <tjaalton> yeah, putting the diversion removal in postinst works
[09:12] <tjaalton> no need to remove the symlink
[09:16] <tseliot> tjaalton: why did it fail when you removed the symlink? I mean, how come and when did it complain about the missing symlink?
[09:17] <tjaalton> it didn't complain about the symlink
[09:17] <tseliot> tjaalton: what happened then?
[09:18] <tjaalton> dpkg-divert complained
[09:18] <tjaalton> because the old package still claimed the symlink
[09:19] <tjaalton> and if we remove the symlink on preinst, dpkg-divert thinks that it doesn't need to put the real file back in place, instead removes it
[09:19] <tjaalton> but removing the diversion in postinst works fine
[09:20] <tjaalton> because at that point the old package has removed the symlink
[09:20] <tjaalton> and dpkg-divert moves libwfb.so back where it should be
[09:20] <tseliot> ok, this makes sense now
[09:23] <tseliot> thanks for the explanation ;)
[09:24] <tjaalton> np, helps me undestand it myself
[09:33] <tjaalton> bryce: I'll unsubscribe the team from the apps that are now in bundles, at least those that don't have any bugs
[09:33] <bryce> ok
[09:33] <bryce> tjaalton: I think I got most of them
[09:34] <tjaalton> yeah, seems like it.. there are some left :)
[09:34] <tjaalton> damn spammers, how dare they use my address when sendin spam
[09:34] <tjaalton> +g
[09:51] <tjaalton> I'll move xrandr bugs over to x11-xserver-utils
[10:41] <tjaalton> bryce: cleaned up lrm-2.6.17 bugs and unsubscribed the team
[14:09] <CLEARviewF> hi bryce, are you there?
[14:12] <CLEARviewF> anybody know if i have to wait for an answer when i make a bug report?
[14:13] <CLEARviewF> because nobady reply my bug report and my problem seems to be solved
[14:14] <CLEARviewF> i use to make bug reports, but i never get a reply of any of theese.
[14:15] <tjaalton> CLEARviewF: there are so many of them, and so few bug triagers..
[14:16] <CLEARviewF> i see, tjaalton
[14:16] <tjaalton> ..but since you are here, could you tell the bug #?
[14:17] <CLEARviewF> ok...wait a sec.
[14:17] <CLEARviewF> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/226632
[14:19] <CLEARviewF> ubottu: but my problem seems to be solved, becouse i have not the problem anymore in my system
[14:20] <tjaalton> ubottu is a bot
[14:21] <CLEARviewF> when i tried using ALSA or PULSE, i had the same problem, but know, i have the problem just with PULSE but ALSA works fine
[14:21] <CLEARviewF> jejeje, i see, tjaalton
[14:21] <CLEARviewF> :D
[14:21] <tjaalton> first of all, you should try to guess a package..
[14:21] <tjaalton> where the bug belongs
[14:22] <CLEARviewF> but, i dont know how to do that
[14:22] <tjaalton> how did you file the  bug?
[14:22] <tjaalton> it asks for a package
[14:23] <tjaalton> if you leave it empty, it'll end up in "ubuntu", which has >2000 open bugs
[14:23] <CLEARviewF> a package?
[14:24] <tjaalton> the software where the bug lies..
[14:24] <CLEARviewF> i followed every step on roporting Sound Bugs from Ubuntu Bug report how to's
[14:26] <CLEARviewF> tjaalton: BTW, how do i get 4.0 sound in my sound card?
[14:27] <tjaalton> no idea, this channel is about Xorg
[14:27] <CLEARviewF> i tried so many ways and i failed
[14:27] <tjaalton> which doesn't involve sound
[14:27] <tjaalton> try the forums
[14:27] <CLEARviewF> tjaalton: no problem, thank you
[14:28] <CLEARviewF> yes, i will, ...i did and i still do that :)
[14:28] <tjaalton> should I close the bug then?
[14:28] <CLEARviewF> no,no
[14:28] <CLEARviewF> maybe the problem is solved but i need to know how...
[14:28] <tjaalton> reassigned against pulseaudio?
[14:28] <CLEARviewF> i want to learn!
[14:29] <CLEARviewF> that is the reason i am waiting for a reply, i want to learn
[14:29] <tjaalton> if it's fixed by not using pulseaudio, then the bug is probably in pulseaudio
[14:30] <tjaalton> you might end up waiting for a long time if you don't specify the package
[14:30] <CLEARviewF> can you move it to Pulse Audio Bug Reports?
[14:30] <CLEARviewF> tjaalton:
[14:30] <tjaalton> yes
[14:30] <tjaalton> done
[14:30] <CLEARviewF> thank you, tjaalton
[14:30] <tjaalton> np
[14:30] <CLEARviewF> :)
[21:19] <Q-FUNK> ok, geode 2.9.0-1 (libDDC patch merge) is waiting at http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-geode/xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.9.0-1.dsc to be sponsored into Debian, following which it could be sync'ed in for hardy-updates.
[21:20] <Q-FUNK> should I rename bug #214119 to indicate the SRU request?
[22:09] <tjaalton> Q-FUNK: I'm not sure renaming is that important.. at least I haven't used it
[22:09] <tjaalton> just subscribe ubuntu-sru and request a sync
[22:10] <tjaalton> hm, if a sync is possible
[22:10] <tjaalton> don't know
[22:11] <Q-FUNK> ok
[22:13] <Q-FUNK> tjaalton: and you said that the PCI ID patch was merged in svn?  is that released to hardy-updates already?
[22:13] <Q-FUNK> I'm just tryng to see what remains to be done, before i can chalk the Koolu issue completely off.
[22:14] <tjaalton> git, no it's not uploaded yet
[22:15] <Q-FUNK> I cannot remember, does ubuntu has a hardy-proposed-updates or other similar staging area where packages can be tested before it enters 8.04.1 ?
[22:15] <Q-FUNK> öö.. have
[22:16] <tjaalton> hardy-proposed, yes


[03:40] <mrooney> Can anyone give me any hints on whether https://launchpad.net/~timg-tpi/+archive will work on Intrepid?
[03:41] <IntuitiveNipple> which specific package?
[03:42] <mrooney> oh sorry, the madwifi one
[03:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmmm, can't be sure, some things have changed
[04:00] <mrooney> IntuitiveNipple: okay, thanks, I just compiled from svn snapshot so that should be fine


[20:29] <brainwash> gopal: AMD is lazy and does not give us linux users a settings GUI
[20:30] <Kris12345> Hello everyone!
[20:30] <Guest67275> it used to run very well but suddendly fails
[20:30] <Kris12345> Has anyone here successfully gotten a Cisco vWLC running on Ubuntu?
[20:31] <gopal> TJ: thank you very much , how to see which gfx i am using ?
[20:31] <akik> !details | Guest67275
[20:33] <Faux> https://b.goeswhere.com/gedit-redraw-fail.mp4 gedit's just totally given up on redrawing for me. Anyone able to find a bug report? I can't think what'd be weird enough about my setup to have broken it. 17.10, nvidia-binary, i3wm (compositing or no), machine has been continually upgraded for years.
[20:34] <TJ-> gopal: I'd have thought 'xrandr' but I've stayed away from hybrid so not sure - someone else may know
[20:35] <gopal> TJ: how you installed amd framework ?
[20:35] <TJ-> gopal: I haven't
[20:35] <gopal> TJ-: git command
[20:35] <Quenz> Bashing-om No worries. Sorry for diappearing on you, too. I think my wifi had a hiccup.
[20:35] <xlmnxp> anyone
[20:35] <xlmnxp> please I need help
[20:36] <xlmnxp> https://i.imgur.com/hfDXjwU.png
[20:36] <ioria> gopal, you know that amd proprietary it's not supported anymore on linux ?
[20:36] <Quenz> xlmnxp What's the issue?
[20:36] <gopal> no
[20:37] <Quenz> Oh, never mind I see.
[20:37] <ioria> gopal, now you know
[20:37] <gopal> yes
[20:37] <gopal> thx
[20:37] <nacc> xlmnxp: i believe you were told how to do what you wanted
[20:38] <akik> nacc: compiling code by users is now the preferred way?
[20:39] <gopal> thx for help
[20:40] <elias_a> I have an old Ubuntu installation on a HDD in a dock and can access the files. How can I tell when it was last used? Which logfiles do also have yearstamps in addition to time&date?
[20:41] <ioria> last
[20:41] <nacc> akik: well, i'm assuming it's not something you can configure
[20:41] <nacc> akik: arrow over dot
[20:42] <jimb_> elias_a, That command from ioria was for you... `last`
[20:45] <EriC^^> elias_a: did you mount it already?
[20:45] <nacc> akik: youre right, though, i probably should have done ore due diligence before that
[20:45] <EriC^^> elias_a: /var/log/syslog should have info about the last boot it made
[20:46] <elias_a> Thanks, dudes!
[20:48] <elias_a> ioria: Does it work if I have not booted it - only mounted partitions?
[20:48] <ioria> elias_a, nope, i thionk you need chroot
[20:49] <elias_a> ioria: That's what I thought.
[20:49] <ioria> elias_a, maybe dmesg -T
[20:49] <Quenz> tatertots If you're still there, to remind you, last time I was here, with a fresh Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS install, I changed drivers to nvidia-340, clicked 'Apply changes' in the 'Additional Drivers' window, got a system program problem dialogue (or something like that), was about to type 'inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit' for you, but had to leave.  It's back on now. Same flashing text on boot issue. I hit ctrl+alt+F1 to shell
[20:49] <Quenz>  successfully. I typed your command, but it just gives me a flashing _ on the next line. It's been like that for a few minutes now.
[20:50] <elias_a> And EriC^^ : syslog contains only time&date, not year. :/
[20:50] <ioria> elias_a, sy, explore the dmesg.X.gz
[20:50] <ForeignImport> -
[20:50] <ioria> elias_a, you don't need chroot for that
[20:51] <elias_a> ioria: I actually found a log containing year info.
[20:51] <Quenz> If tatertots is not here, can anyone else help me with nvidia-340 not working correctly on Ubuntu LTS 16.04? I get flashing text on boot after selecting it. The open source driver works fine, but it's pretty slow.
[20:53] <ioria> Quenz, are you on   <IP_ADDRESS>.26 kernel ? uname -r
[20:53] <Bashing-om> Quenz: Lemme get caught up here and I get with you .
[20:54] <Quenz> ioria 4.13.0-26-generic
[20:54] <memphisto> Quenz: boot to older kernel
[20:54] <Quenz> Okie dokie
[20:56] <beaver> nacc: i used the distribution xenial for my schroot, it's now ok
[20:56] <beaver> option -N is available
[20:57] <ioria> btw  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1742302
[21:07] <tatertots> Quenz: hi
[21:07] <tatertots> Quenz: you have completed the "fresh" install that you began last night? true or false
[21:08] <StephenLynx> this is funny, why would some applications need to have exclusive access to audio?
[21:08] <StephenLynx> same software works fine on ubuntu, using pulse audio. on centos, some stuff can't use audio if something else is using
[21:08] <StephenLynx> and if they start using it, nothing else can.
[21:09] <TJ-> StephenLynx: that'll be software using the ALSA layer
[21:10] <Quenz> tatertots true
[21:10] <StephenLynx> and why they work fine on ubuntu but not on centos?
[21:10] <StephenLynx> same software.
[21:11] <StephenLynx> I even added the simultaneous output virtual device using paprefs
[21:11] <TJ-> StephenLynx: different configuration/package versions/etc
[21:11] <StephenLynx> i know, any idea what configuration might be? I know centos isn't focused on desktop, which makes it a pain in the ass sometimes
[21:12] <StephenLynx> but I'm seeing a solution here, since it works on ubuntu
[21:12] <TJ-> StephenLynx: no, you'd have to ask CentOS folks
[21:12] <StephenLynx> any pointer on what to ask?
[21:12] <StephenLynx> their irc isn't nearly as useful as ubuntu's
[21:12] <StephenLynx> nor populated
[21:18] <Quenz> memphisto I can't seem to get to boot options. How do I change to a different kernel?
[21:20] <billythekido> Hi guys. I just tried to update to the latest kernel that Ubuntu pushed to 17.10 and the update got stuck.
[21:20] <billythekido> run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 4.13.0-31-generic /boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-31-generic
[21:20] <billythekido> Progress: [ 65%]
[21:21] <billythekido> anyone could advise?
[21:21] <SimonNL> Quenz: hold down left shift during boot from the moment you press power button till you see  "Entering Grub" appear in top left corner of the screen
[21:23] <TJ-> Quenz: SimonNL GRUB uses Escape key detection now, because when on EFI it can't read the state of the  Shift/Ctrl/Alt I/O register bits
[21:23] <SimonNL> oops
[21:23] <SimonNL> I'm on old version
[21:23] <SimonNL> derivative
[21:26] <Quenz> SimonNL I'm in the GRUB bash now.
[21:27] <Quenz> That's what happened when I held down esc
[21:27] <SimonNL> with my limited knowledge I would say thats the wrong place, should be grub menu
[21:28] <nacc> billythekido: it might take a while for dkms to finish (are you sure it's stuck?)
[21:28] <Quenz> Yeah I thought so too
[21:28] <Quenz> Imma try again
[21:28] <billythekido> nacc: yes definitely :(
[21:29] <billythekido> I stopped it, dpkg --configure -a and wait again
[21:30] <billythekido> I don't see also any utilization on cpus from apt or other apps
[21:31] <TJ-> Quenz: you have to repeatedly tap Escape not hold it down
[21:31] <nacc> billythekido: hrm
[21:31] <billythekido> can you tell if it actually half-installed/configured the kernel based on what I posted? At this point I don't know if I'm going to boot on restart
[21:31] <nacc> billythekido: you wouldn't see it from apt, you'd see it from dkms
[21:31] <TJ-> Quenz: because GRUB has to detect a key-press event, unlike with the Shift/Ctrl/Alt method which stores current position in bit falgs
[21:31] <Quenz> Booting to 4.10.0-28-generic now
[21:32] <nacc> billythekido: well, you only pasted that you ^C'd it :)
[21:33] <Quenz> Same flashing screen at boot error
[21:33] <billythekido> nacc: https://pastebin.com/HfV2cvzW thanks for helping :)
[21:34] <billythekido> nacc: I see to dkms processes running at the same time
[21:35] <billythekido> none of them seem to have any cpu util
[21:35] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic artful
[21:35] <nacc> billythekido: you'll see dkms and then it iwll have spawned some cc/ or gcc
[21:35] <nacc> billythekido: i'd look in pstree
[21:36] <Bashing-om> Quenz: That 4.10 kernel os EOL .. we need to get you off of it . now do we revert to xenial or upgrade to artful ?
[21:37] <billythekido> nacc: I'm a bit of a noob. With ps I can definitely tell that the first dkms runs since the earlier try.
[21:38] <billythekido> on pstree I see: "|-dpkg---linux-headers-4---run-parts---dkms_autoinstal---plymouth" and "-dpkg---linux-headers-4---run-parts---dkms_autoinstal---plymouth"
[21:39] <nacc> ugh
[21:39] <nacc> TJ-: didn't you see something with plymouth hanging recently?
[21:39] <nacc> billythekido: let me check my logs
[21:39] <TJ-> nacc: hmmm, so many issues, so little memory! I /think/ so but I'd have to grep logs
[21:40] <nacc> billythekido: TJ-: maybe LP: #1705345
[21:40] <TJ-> nacc: ha, well, I found an issue I dealt with in 2015 :p
[21:41] <nacc> lol
[21:41] <TJ-> might be this:
[21:41] <billythekido> nacc: I see 2 plymouth with --ping, 1 in quit, 1 in --wait
[21:41] <TJ-> 2017-12-28 20:23:46     TJ-     garrettkajmowicz: this sounds like an issue where plymouth 'steals'/keeps the console input when it should be released
[21:41] <billythekido> they are having a party
[21:42] <billythekido> is not it an issue that currently I'm also running 2 "dkms_autoinstaller start 4.13.0-31-generic" ?
[21:42] <Quenz> Bashing-om Some other people told me to switch to a different kernel, that's why I'm in that.
[21:42] <nacc> yeah, i believe the workaround is to kill plymouth, but i'm not sure if that works or not
[21:42] <billythekido> should I kill the latest dkms_autoinstaller?
[21:43] <billythekido> (in addition to the plymouths)
[21:43] <nacc> billythekido: i would just kill plymouth first and see what happens
[21:43] <Quenz> Bashing-om Want me to boot in to default Linux 4.13.0-26-generic?
[21:43] <billythekido> nacc: cool fingers crossed
[21:43] <Enumeration> I am very dumb can someone help me with systemd
[21:43] <nacc> !ask | Enumeration
[21:44] <billythekido> nacc: wow the cpu is going nutts now
[21:44] <nacc> billythekido: that's probably good? :)
[21:44] <billythekido> defintely :)
[21:44] <nacc> billythekido: i'd subscribe tot hat bug
[21:44] <nacc> maybe say you hit it on a current release
[21:45] <billythekido> run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 4.13.0-31-generic /boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-31-generic Error! This module/version combo is already installed
[21:45] <billythekido> I assume because of the earlier kill
[21:45] <billythekido> or the two processes running at the same time...
[21:46] <jtreminio> Howdy y'all. Is there a built-in way to mirror a ppa to another ppa, while keeping previous releases?
[21:46] <billythekido> nacc: I have the feeling I stuck again. and I see a new plymouth in ping
[21:47] <SimonNL> Quenz: might be a good idea because that one is supported and patched
[21:47] <nacc> billythekido: yeah, you'll have to keep killing them
[21:47] <nacc> billythekido: i dont actually know the bug
[21:47] <billythekido> that I can do :)
[21:47] <nacc> (the cause of the bug, sorry)
[21:47] <nacc> jtreminio: 'mirror'?
[21:47] <billythekido> nacc: thanks a lot for helping me out of this :)
[21:47] <jtreminio> For example, I use a ppa that only keeps last version, removes others as soon as they're added. ie 7.1.1 is added, he removes 7.1.0
[21:48] <tatertots> Quenz: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[21:48] <nacc> jtreminio: only a few builds are kept (possibly the last version) in PPAs
[21:49] <tatertots> Quenz: that's what you were supposed to complete prior to going to bed last night.
[21:49] <billythekido> nacc: it seems successful. I'll reboot and hope for the best
[21:49] <nacc> billythekido: cool!
[21:49] <billythekido> nacc: what info do I gather to report?
[21:49] <jtreminio> nacc: aha, I see
[21:49] <nacc> billythekido: i would just put what package was hanging in the logs
[21:49] <jtreminio> So if I want to keep an archived mirror I need to keep it off of launchpad?
[21:50] <nacc> jtreminio: you want to keep old (unsupported even by the ppa owner) versions?
[21:50] <nacc> jtreminio: is there a reason?
[21:50] <billythekido> nacc: ok buddy thanks a lot!
[21:50] <nacc> billythekido: np, gl!
[21:51] <jtreminio> nacc: say prod hasn't been upgraded to latest minor.minor release, but a dev needs to spin up a local VM that matches prod ... unless you've been generating VM images and storing them anything new will not match
[21:51] <tatertots> Quenz: but it's possible i could have mixed you up with another human.
[21:52] <dunlikemynamehuh> every time I log in here, my name is rejected
[21:53] <ginseng> I have an encrypted home directory on ubuntu 16.04. I run into issues with shutting down the computer --- it hangs indefinitely if i shutdown through desktop or cli as normal user, only works if i su root and then shutdown. Logs: https://pastebin.com/ehvD6zyC
[21:53] <dunlikemynamehuh> is there something wrong with this channel or freenode?
[21:53] <nacc> jtreminio: so ... your production servier is using a ppa :-P
[21:53] <ginseng> Any ideas?
[21:53] <Quenz> tatertots I tried that when I got on today, but it just produces a flashing _ on the next line
[21:53] <nacc> jtreminio: PPAs are not a deployment mechanism
[21:53] <nacc> jtreminio: esp. if you want reproducibility; you don't control the PPA at all
[21:54] <jtreminio> nacc: this particular ppa is from a trusted source, but I see your point
[21:54] <TJ-> ginseng: those logs are not referring to encrypted home directory, they're referring to a bad/missing encrypted swap device
[21:54] <tatertots> Quenz: hmmm okay that would suggest that you have taken more actions without oversight after that "fresh" install...my gut says it ain't so "fresh" anymore..but that's not important
[21:54] <billythekido> nacc: worked! do you have a "buy me a beer" button? :)
[21:55] <Quenz> tatertots https://paste.ubuntu.com/26440380
[21:55] <ginseng> TJ-: ok i will try to find appropriate logs
[21:55] <Quenz> It worked this time
[21:55] <nacc> jtreminio: yeah, I just don't think it's an operational model
[21:55] <nacc> jtreminio: but you might ask in #launchpad if there is anything for it
[21:55] <Quenz> Oops wrong link
[21:55] <TJ-> ginseng: check the UUIDs in /etc/crypttab for the cryptswap device
[21:56] <Quenz> tatertots https://paste.ubuntu.com/26440280
[21:56] <nacc> billythekido: not necessary at all, glad to help
[21:56] <billythekido> nacc: thanks so much mate :)
[21:56] <nacc> billythekido: yw!
[21:57] <tatertots> Quenz: thank you
[21:57] <tatertots> Quenz: i see you are            tty size: 160x50 Advanced Data: N/A out of X
[21:57] <tatertots> Quenz: humans usually aren't very happy in that circumstance.
[21:57] <michael2> hi all. Im currently on a live USB 16.04. and I would like to mount my home directory on my main hard disk. it is encrypted with ecryptFS. is this possible?
[21:58] <jtreminio> Thanks nacc
[21:59] <michael2> or to put it another way. I want to access my eCryptFS encrypted files from the LiveUSB
[22:01] <ginseng> TJ-: ok, so my crypttab has 3 lines, and after checking lsblk -f, only 1 of those three devices exists. the other two must be swapspaces from old partitions i deleted
[22:01] <ginseng> is it safe to just remove to those 2 lines from crypttab?
[22:02] <TJ-> ginseng: are they all for 'swap' devices ?
[22:03] <TJ-> ginseng: compare the UUIDs in that file with your error log - remove those that are mentioned in the error log if those devices don't exist
[22:03] <Quenz> tatertots Where does that leave me?
[22:04] <ginseng> TJ-: yeah all swap devices
[22:04] <rainbow> hello
[22:04] <tatertots> Quenz: standby
[22:05] <jtreminio> Where can I find information on what version of a package will come with 18.04?
[22:05] <michael2> packages.ubuntu.com
[22:06] <nacc> jtreminio: "will come"? ... hard to answer, also #ubuntu+1
[22:06] <TJ-> jtreminio: until feature-freeze the versions may change
[22:06] <jtreminio> ah! I thought feature freeze had already passed
[22:06] <nacc> jtreminio: still a month away
[22:07] <Budgii> Hi, does anyone know what 'aptitude' is in Linux? See comment context; https://www.reddit.com/r/osbuddy/comments/5vohnj/couldnt_launch_osbuddy_null_linux/
[22:07] <TheMontyChrist> how to get a list of packages that need upgrading?
[22:07] <nacc> Budgii: it's an alternative frontend to dpkg
[22:07] <nacc> Budgii: like apt, apt-get, synaptic, etc.
[22:07] <TheMontyChrist> I want to cherry pick which package gets upgraded
[22:08] <nacc> TheMontyChrist: try an upgrade and it will prompt you , but by default (it = apt)
[22:08] <Budgii> nacc: when it says "Just replace aptitude with the package manager of your distro, if you're not on Debian or any of its derivatives." what does this mean?
[22:08] <nacc> Budgii: are you on Ubuntu?
[22:08] <Budgii> Yes.
[22:08] <nacc> Budgii: then you are on "Debian or any of its derivatives"
[22:08] <Budgii> Would I just do Sudo osbuddy.jar?
[22:09] <nacc> Budgii: so the erlier clause does not apply
[22:09] <Budgii> Ok.
[22:09] <nacc> Budgii: you follow the directions in the link from there
[22:10] <Budgii> I don't understand it
[22:10] <rainbow> how can i make an own channel?
[22:10] <nacc> Budgii: what don't you understand, specifically?
[22:10] <Budgii> This: "Just replace aptitude with the package manager of your distro, if you're not on Debian or any of its derivatives."
[22:10] <nacc> rainbow: just join the channel and it will autocreate, iirc, but not an ubuntu topic
[22:11] <milpool> hi. maybe i'm not the only one with this problem: my whole machine freezes when i start a vm in virtualbox. ubuntu 16.4.. anyone know this problem? started happening a week ago
[22:11] <nacc> Budgii: ok, you're on Debian or any of its derivatives
[22:11] <nacc> Budgii: so you don't replace aptitude with dnf, or whatever
[22:11] <nacc> Budgii: did you maybe forget to click the link?
[22:11] <Budgii> See I am not sure what you mean by link, lol
[22:12] <nacc> Budgii: you pointed at https://www.reddit.com/r/osbuddy/comments/5vohnj/couldnt_launch_osbuddy_null_linux/
[22:12] <nacc> Budgii: svga's comment starts with a link
[22:12] <nacc> Budgii: "Try this, it worked for me" is the text
[22:12] <Budgii> Ohh! i thought that was the title. Thanks for pointing that out, i'll go read now!
[22:13] <nacc> Budgii: right :)
[22:13] <jimb_> off-topic: hi Budgii ! Can't help right now, wanted to say Hi though... willing to take the lashings from ops :)
[22:13] <rainbow> can someone try to Connect to channel MyOwnRainbow?
[22:13] <nacc> rainbow: ... still offtopic
[22:14] <oerheks> rainbow, that is considered as spam, from an unregistered user, please don't
[22:15] <tatertots> Quenz: cat /var/log/apport.log|pastebinit
[22:15] <nacc> tatertots: pastebinit /var/log/apport.log :)
[22:15] <tatertots> Quenz: might put sudo in front if it gives you issues
[22:15] <tatertots> nacc: :)
[22:15] <nacc> tatertots: and if you use sudo, I believe you need to use tee correctly
[22:16] <tatertots> nacc: let's just let "nature" run it's course
[22:16] <ubantoo> i can see my gpus listed in lspci but when i run nvidia-settings none of them are displayed there. also heaven benchmark is running at 15 fps instead of 90 fps+
[22:16] <TJ-> nacc: no tee needed when te sudo is on left side of pipe :)
[22:16] <nacc> TJ-: oh right, of course
[22:16] <tatertots> nacc: else in 50 years well be talking about "top soil regeneration"
[22:18] <Budgii> nacc, the link worked out for me. Thanks again for pointing it out!
[22:18] <rek> hi babies.... i installed the nvidia driver then all my system gained such a poor performance... ubby 16.0.4 lts what could i do?
[22:20] <oerheks> sounds like nouveau is really good?
[22:20] <oerheks> i have no babies.
[22:21] <Quenz> tatertots document empty
[22:23] <tatertots> Quenz: journalctl -p 4|pastebinit
[22:24] <nacc> Budgii: yw
[22:26] <rek> hi guys i have low performance
[22:26] <Quenz> tatertots Failed to contact the server.  But I don't know the right order. Is there an easy way to test to see if one certificate is a child of another?
[22:29] <tatertots> Quenz: Jan 23 09:18:55 baz-MacBookPro gnome-session-binary[2157]: CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry....
[22:29] <Quenz> tatertots Yes, you've been with me the past few days
[22:29] <Quenz> memphisto yes
[22:30] <memphisto> why?
[22:30] <Cu5tosLimen> hi
[22:30] <memphisto> macos not good enough ?
[22:30] <nacc> memphisto: not relevant in this channel
[22:30] <Cu5tosLimen> I upgraded ubuntu but now my monospace font is different: before: https://i.imgur.com/6S8U7dE.png after: https://i.imgur.com/H7sLBVr.png
[22:30] <Cu5tosLimen> any ideas what the old font was?
[22:30] <Cu5tosLimen> it is set to monospace
[22:30] <Quenz> memphisto mostly yeah. Support ends 2019.
[22:31] <tatertots> Quenz: standby...must search memory banks for your health
[22:31] <Quenz> It's an old 2009 one.
[22:32] <tatertots> Quenz: feels like deja vu almost
[22:32] <Quenz> So I want to get Ubuntu running well on it before support for Mac OS ends.
[22:32] <tatertots> Quenz: didn't this same exact thing occur within the last 48 hours? yes or no
[22:33] <Quenz> tatertots yes
[22:33] <tatertots> Quenz: it's possible it was another human that i was helping and i have mixed them up
[22:34] <Quenz> tatertots Still the same core issue since a few days ago of flashing text on boot when using proprietary nvidia-340 driver.
[22:38] <tatertots> Quenz: I have made no mistake....it is YOU...http://termbin.com/5pv5
[22:38] <tatertots> Quenz: i reminded you the other day that i would always help you with the limitation being "repeating the same thing(s) while expecting different results"
[22:38] <Quenz> tatertots I'm happy to try anything different
[22:38] <tatertots> Quenz: my creator has programed me against this ability
[22:39] <Quenz> Okay :P
[22:41] <new_user123> hi guys
[22:41] <new_user123> I'm trying to pin the kernel from trusty, because I need the kernel 3.13
[22:42] <new_user123> how do I go about it?
[22:42] <nacc> new_user123: you are on trusty?
[22:43] <new_user123> no
[22:43] <new_user123> i'm on artful
[22:43] <memphisto> maybe trying : sudo apt-mark hold  kernel 3.13 or something
[22:43] <new_user123> here is my /etc/apt/preference http://termbin.com/p66t
[22:43] <nacc> new_user123: then no, don't do that
[22:43] <nacc> new_user123: if you need trusty's kernel, use a VM
[22:43] <new_user123> memphisto, ty, i'll try that. brb
[22:43] <tatertots> Quenz: yesterday i discussed a plan with you, and you either forgot the plan or something, but in any event you failed to execute
[22:44] <Quenz> Alright then
[22:44] <nacc> memphisto: please don't suggest such things
[22:44] <nacc> totally unsupported
[22:44] <ahmad> hey new
[22:44] <tatertots> Quenz: at this point you don't have a lot of other options but to do exactly as i said "verbatim"
[22:44] <new_user123> memphisto, sholud it be sudo apt-mark hold linux-image-3.13 ?
[22:45] <new_user123> btw, I don't have 3.13 installed atm
[22:45] <tatertots> Quenz: any deviation from the plan will result in a loop of failure...trust me
[22:45] <nacc> new_user123: no, it wouldn't and no, you wouldn't have
[22:45] <nacc> new_user123: so, again, don't do that
[22:45] <nacc> new_user123: why do you need the 14.04.1 kernel?
[22:45] <tatertots> Quenz: search your feelings...you know i'm telling you the truth
[22:45] <Quenz> I guess I forgot the exact plan
[22:45] <new_user123> nacc, i don't understand your advice. I need 3.13 because newer kernels don't support my graphics card properly.
[22:45] <nacc> new_user123: then you need 14.04, not just hte kernel
[22:45] <nacc> new_user123: so reinstall 14.04
[22:45] <Quenz> You're saying if we go around in circles we won't get anywhere, I understand
[22:46] <new_user123> nacc, no, I don't need 14.04, it's too old. Most packages have not been updated since 2014
[22:46] <nacc> new_user123: ... well, it came out in 2014, so of course
[22:46] <new_user123> so, how do I pin the kernel to trusty?
[22:46] <nacc> new_user123: look, you have two options, 1) install 14.04; or 2) run a newer kernel
[22:46] <nacc> new_user123: running the trusty kernel on non-trusty is not supported
[22:47] <nacc> and you should *not* do it.
[22:47] <new_user123> nacc, i'm okay with that, already tried it out
[22:47] <nacc> new_user123: with what?
[22:47] <new_user123> nacc, with the way 3.13 functions with artful.
[22:47] <tatertots> Quenz: i need to be clear this time around...if you deviate from design at all...you will fail..and fail "infinity"...do you understand?
[22:47] <new_user123> nacc,  2) is not an option, my screen is borked
[22:49] <new_user123> okay, anyway, supposing it was a different situation and I was asking how to get the artful kernel on 14.04
[22:50] <new_user123> how do I go about it?
[22:50] <Quenz> tatertots I've been trying to follow you as best I can. If you're sick of trying to help me, that's totally fine. If you want to keep trying to help me, that's fine too.
[22:51] <new_user123> memphisto, it didn't work... Could you please elaborate on that command?
[22:51] <memphisto> https://askubuntu.com/questions/678630/how-can-i-avoid-kernel-updates
[22:54] <new_user123> memphisto, am I right I first need to install that kernel?
[22:54] <memphisto> yes, but i don't know if you have it in the repos now
[22:54] <memphisto> maybe you ll need to get it from somewhere else
[22:55] <new_user123> memphisto, i have added trusty repos in the sources
[22:55] <memphisto> dont remove the current kernels
[22:55] <memphisto> just in case
[22:56] <memphisto> and do backup :)
[22:57] <new_user123> memphisto, I don't like the output... http://okturing.com/src/2054/body
[22:57] <nacc> new_user123: aloso not supported
[22:58] <nacc> new_user123: please stop asking for such terrible combinations
[22:58] <nacc> new_user123: if you need an old kernel to use your display which would imply it's an old display device, then use an old release
[22:58] <nacc> new_user123: 14.04 is supported until 2019
[22:58] <nacc> new_user123: you do not mix distributions, as it tends to break things
[22:59] <metastable> s/tends to//
[22:59] <new_user123> nacc, it's a new display device.
[22:59] <memphisto> he speaks the truth
[22:59] <memphisto> it all looks fine
[22:59] <nacc> memphisto: right
[22:59] <subcool> Ok,. whats the deal. Kwin_x11 and plasmashell and eating all my memory
[23:00] <memphisto> do install linux-source-3.13.0 linux-tools
[23:00] <memphisto> you might need to build some kernel modules
[23:00] <subcool> memphisto, was that to me?
[23:00] <memphisto> oh sorry it was for new_user123
[23:00] <subcool> kk.. just making sure.. its ok.
[23:02] <nacc> new_user123: maybe rather than doing totally insane things like trying to run a trusty kernel on 17.10, tell us what is wrong with your device with 17.10?
[23:02] <tatertots> Quenz: not sick of you my friend..just trying to establish "effective" communication to lower the statical odds of communication failure(s).
[23:02] <mr3_j0hn> hello
[23:02] <Budgii> Hello.
[23:02] <new_user123> nacc, sides of my screen are cut off.
[23:02] <new_user123> nacc, 100px left and 100px right
[23:03] <tatertots> Quenz: because i believe what we had yesterday when you failed to execute my plan can be classified as a "communication failure"
[23:03] <new_user123> memphisto, http://okturing.com/src/2055/body doesn't look too good... Btw, at this moment I only have trusty repos in my sources
[23:04] <memphisto> new_user123: didn't put * after the kernel version
[23:05] <memphisto> or exact versoin of the kernel youve installed
[23:05] <tatertots> Quenz: now you know where you stand and your fate and future
[23:05] <new_user123> memphisto, i've only installed 4.4
[23:05] <nacc> new_user123: what?? you were on 17.10 and switched to trusty sources??
[23:05] <nacc> new_user123: and 4.4 is not 17.10 anyways
[23:05] <Quenz> tatertots I'm not exactly sure what that means.
[23:06] <pirx> i have a service running which has "ulimit -n 5120" set in its startup-script. but when i check /proc/<pid>/limits for that process, it has max open files set to 1048576. how can this be?
[23:06] <memphisto> it means marihuana
[23:06] <new_user123> nacc, okay, it's 4.13
[23:06] <new_user123> sudo apt install linux-image-4.10.0-27-generic
[23:06] <nacc> new_user123: what??
[23:06] <nacc> new_user123: you are doing some seriously wrong things, please stop.
[23:06] <nacc> new_user123: if you are on 4.13, don't install the 4.10 kernel
[23:06] <new_user123> sorry, wrong copy buffer... Linux pc 4.13.0-21
[23:06] <new_user123> nacc, i'm trying to install 3.13
[23:07] <nacc> new_user123: yes, and i've explained to you, no.
[23:07] <nacc> new_user123: don't do that.
[23:07] <new_user123> nacc, why? it works in chroot
[23:07] <nacc> new_user123: what do you mean it works in chroot? you don't run a different kernel in a chroot.
[23:08] <nacc> new_user123: and, tbh, if you don't see why you don't mix releases of ubuntu, especially the kernel, then you shouldn't be doing it for sure!
[23:08] <new_user123> chrooted system does. it has to, because the host has 3.13 and the chroot is artful
[23:08] <dev0drps> how do i register in the python group?
[23:09] <nacc> new_user123: you are not running a different kernel in a chroot
[23:09] <tatertots> Quenz: this is you 48 hours ago http://termbin.com/g584  this is you today http://termbin.com/yjab
[23:10] <new_user123> nacc, system that runs in chroot has to use the hosts kernel
[23:10] <new_user123> which happens to be 3.13
[23:10] <tatertots> Quenz: do you see any patterns?
[23:10] <new_user123> that is, on my old machine
[23:10] <nacc> new_user123: so you are claiming to be runnig an artful desktop in a  chroot on a 14.04 host?
[23:11] <tatertots> Quenz: i see a few
[23:12] <Quenz> tatertots Some similar errors, yeah. Like I said, we haven't really got anywhere so far.
[23:12] <new_user123> nacc, i was running it, yes. to be precise, it was an LXC container.
[23:12] <tatertots> Quenz: you should keep those links ....yes the two links above...I'd hate for some poor unsuspecting #Ubuntu helper to reinvent the wheel
[23:13] <Quenz> I will keep them
[23:13] <nacc> new_user123: a LXC container is not a chroot
[23:13] <nacc> new_user123: but whatever
[23:13] <nacc> new_user123: so you claim to be running an artful desktop in a LXC container?
[23:14] <new_user123> yes, what's wrong about that?
[23:14] <nacc> new_user123: then why do you need to do anything?
[23:15] <new_user123> nacc, because it's extremely awkward and time consuming to get the normal desktop experience
[23:18] <ca_cabotage> hey all, idk of a more specific place to ask this? trying to connect to lubuntu via xrdp from windows 10. It connects, and starts to load desktop - but then i get an error that says "due to protocol error the session will be disconnected" anyone know of xrdp troubleshooting advice?
[23:20] <Docfxit> Does anyone know the command syntax for rsync?  I have all the information to create it at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2383068&p=13733102#post13733102
[23:21] <nacc> Docfxit: `man rsync` ?
[23:22] <Jordan_U> nacc: This channel will not support running an Artful desktop on a Trusty kernel. If you continue to waste people
[23:23] <nacc> Jordan_U: i assume for new_user123 ?
[23:23] <Jordan_U> nacc: ... waste people's time asking about it I will remove you from the channel.
[23:23] <Docfxit> nacc, I have seen the manual.  I need someone with a little expertise with rsync.
[23:23] <nacc> Docfxit: ok, what is your specific question?
[23:23] <Jordan_U> nacc: Yes, sorry.
[23:23] <nacc> Jordan_U: it's cool
[23:25] <Docfxit> nacc, I need someone to create the command line for the one example I have on the link I provided.  After that I can create all the other lines I need.
[23:27] <nacc> Docfxit: did you try it?
[23:27] <nacc> Docfxit: wait, what?, c#14
[23:27] <plut0> X stopped working for me, using nouveau with no xorg.conf. Here is the log, https://pastebin.com/Ba5kZvRT Any ideas?
[23:28] <Docfxit> nacc, Glad you saw post #14
[23:29] <nacc> Docfxit: so are trying to rsync from a local disk to two locations?
[23:30] <nacc> Docfxit: oh wait, no you are trying to rsync two locations to a single destination?
[23:33] <nacc> Docfxit: your c14 has three parameters to rsync
[23:33] <nacc> Docfxit: three path parameters
[23:35] <new_user_123> okay, I got a weird bug
[23:35] <new_user_123> sides of my screen are cut off
[23:35] <new_user_123> https://imgur.com/a/wmlAJ
[23:36] <new_user_123> first picture - the actual picture that I see. Second picture - the screenshot taken with scrot.
[23:36] <new_user_123> got a 1920x1080 resolution screen, radeon x1600pro graphics card
[23:36] <Bashing-om> plut0: What results in attempting a normal boot ?
[23:36] <Quenz> tatertots Still with me, or?
[23:37] <Jordan_U> new_user_123: Please pastebin the output of "lspci" to help us figure out exactly what graphics card you have.
[23:37] <new_user_123> Jordan_U, http://termbin.com/5lh6
[23:38] <new_user_123> maybe it's something with CRTC settins?
[23:38] <new_user_123> or can it be fixed somehow by or injecting an EDID or adding a modeline?
[23:38] <tatertots> Quenz: i'm here
[23:40] <Quenz> tatertots Next steps?
[23:40] <Jordan_U> new_user_123: Do you know how to select the Xorg rather than Wayland session at the login screen?
[23:40] <new_user_123> Jordan_U, no. It's lubuntu so I suppose I'm running X
[23:41] <Jordan_U> new_user_123: Indeed. Please pastebin the output of "xrandr".
[23:41] <new_user_123> http://termbin.com/uxnr
[23:42] <subcool> Ok,. whats the deal. Kwin_x11 and plasmashell and eating all my memory
[23:42] <nacc> subcool: are you running kubuntu? or did you install neon or something
[23:45] <Jordan_U> new_user_123: Can you tell if your screen is cut off when looking through the BIOS menus?
[23:45] <new_user_123> Jordan_U, got a pretty old bios version, it's not cut off but is 800x600 or something.
[23:46] <new_user_123> Jordan_U, however, the screen is indeed borked in grub menu already.
[23:46] <subcool> nacc, kubuntu. I just tried to run a VM, but- because soo much of my memory is being allocated, i cant even do that.
[23:47] <new_user_123> Jordan_U, and this issue is non existent in windows and linux with kernel <=3.13
[23:49] <nacc> new_user_123: that would imply not related to the kernel (grub isn't running your kernel yet)
[23:49] <new_user_123> nacc, then why dont I have this problem with kernel 3.13?
[23:50] <new_user_123> and any kernel older than 3.13
[23:50] <nacc> new_user_123: You have actively tested artful with a 3.13 host kernel? (not artful in a container or chroot on a trusty host)
[23:50] <nacc> new_user_123: afaict, you have not, so I think you need to check your assumptions
[23:51] <new_user_123> nacc, i gave up on the idea.
[23:51] <new_user_123> i have zero experience running an artful system with 3.13
[23:51] <new_user_123> (apart from chroot and containers)
[23:51] <nacc> new_user_123: so then you don't know at all what the root cause is
[23:51] <nacc> new_user_123: so let's drop that line of reasoning
[23:52] <new_user_123> nacc, but I do.
[23:52] <new_user_123> nacc, i don't have this issue on 14.04
[23:52] <new_user_123> with 3.13 kernel
[23:52] <TJ-> new_user_123: Try "xrandr --output VGA-0 --set underscan off"
[23:52] <new_user_123> neither do I have it on debian with 3.4 kernel
[23:52] <subcool> nacc, brb., i just killed it, and lost most of my desktop. i have to reboot
[23:53] <new_user_123> TJ-, http://okturing.com/src/2063/body
[23:53] <new_user_123> :(
[23:55] <tatertots> Quenz: did you download the ISO yet?
[23:56] <tatertots> Quenz: the one you thought you had high ground to turn your nose up at
[23:56] <Quenz> tatertots mint xfce
[23:56] <Quenz> ?
[23:56] <tatertots> Quenz: .....you're not on high ground anymore
[23:56] <Quenz> What are you talking about?
[23:57] <tatertots> Quenz: did you download the ISO yet?
[23:57] <Quenz> Yes
[23:57] <tatertots> Quenz: now you're going to install it
[23:57] <Quenz> Okay
[23:57] <subcool> k- back.
[23:58] <Quenz> I didn't turn my nose up at anything
[23:58] <subcool> Ok., whats the deal. Kwin and plasma shell are destroying my memory.


[13:50] <frankban> guihelp: another quick fix to the GUI: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/627
[14:06] <kadams54> frankban: taking a look
[14:06] <frankban> ty
[14:11] <kadams54> frankban: looks good.
[14:11] <frankban> kadams54: great thanks
[14:12] <kadams54> hatch: let me know when you're available.
[14:12] <hatch> kadams54: just responding to your replys
[14:13] <kadams54> hatch: yesterday you talked about moving the event handling into an extension… why?
[14:13] <kadams54> Or maybe I'm misunderstanding?
[14:13] <hatch> just the handlers
[14:13] <hatch> it's because these views are getting unweildy and difficult to test
[14:13] <kadams54> OK
[14:13] <kadams54> Agreed.
[14:13] <hatch> as an extension we can easily test the handlers separate from it all
[14:17] <hatch> kadams54: also this branch is missing tests
[14:17] <hatch> did you forget to add them to the commit?
[14:17] <kadams54> No.
[14:18] <kadams54> I'm adding tests in my current branch.
[14:19] <hatch> oh they should probably go in this one if I'm going to be building on top of this code and possibly modifying it
[14:20] <hatch> kadams54: I have a wierd issue with the machine view qa
[14:20] <hatch> if I highlight two services then no machines are visible
[14:20] <kadams54> hatch: You confident enough in our approach to wrap it in tests?
[14:20] <kadams54> hatch: yeah, don't do that.
[14:21] <hatch> it's just a utility method
[14:21] <hatch> lol what do you mean don't do that? Is this a bug?
[14:21] <kadams54> Stuff involving multiple buttons being pushed doesn't work yet.
[14:22] <kadams54> The spec is divided up into 3 sections: hiding, highlighting, and cross over (multiple states invoked at once)
[14:22] <kadams54> cross over wasn't addressed by this card
[14:23] <hatch> ahh yeah we don't modify the db for machines anywhere
[14:25] <hatch> kadams54: didn't we get a new icon for the highlight?
[14:25] <kadams54> hatch: not sure what you mean by "it's just a utility method". findUnrelatedServices() needs tests for sure, but that's not what I'm worried about. It's the changes in renderUnits() in both contianer-token.js and machine-token.js.
[14:25] <kadams54> hatch: not yet. We were promised one, but it has not arrived. luca?
[14:26] <hatch> kadams54: findUnrelatedServices has a very similar usecase to getRelationDataForService
[14:26] <hatch> the latter is a util method so why isn't the former
[14:26] <hatch> the former needs access to things it coudln't possibly know about
[14:26] <hatch> db and utils
[14:26] <kadams54> Becasue I don't think the latter should be a util method.
[14:27] <kadams54> And I reject your assertion that it couldn't, because it does :-)
[14:27] <hatch> methods on a model should only ever interact with the data in that model
[14:27] <kadams54> False
[14:28] <kadams54> Model methods can also deal with relations that the model has to other models
[14:28] <hatch> no because then you have to pass that in
[14:28] <hatch> you then have to stub all that in tests
[14:29] <hatch> it's a clear hierarchy that's being violated
[14:29] <hatch> the child (model) shouldn't need to know about it's parent (modellist) or grandparent (db)
[14:29] <kadams54> It's possible that I'm just not groking the hiearchy here, but I was kinda surprised that the models here had no way to refer back to the DB.
[14:29] <hatch> that's intentional
[14:30] <kadams54> That's not my experience with models in other MVC frameworks
[14:30] <kadams54> How do you deal with one-to-many relations?
[14:30] <kadams54> i.e., a machine that contains many units?
[14:31] <hatch> YUI is based on OOP
[14:31] <kadams54> I agree that it's less than ideal to pass the DB in, but IMO that's only because the model ought to have a way to get back to the DB baked in.
[14:31] <kadams54> LOL
[14:31] <hatch> in OOP you don't know about your parents
[14:31] <hatch> one to many relations are pushed up the stack
[14:31] <hatch> either to the modellist or to the db
[14:33] <kadams54> That restriction, that models can only operate on their own internal data, seems to relegate them to pretty dumb objects.
[14:33] <hatch> exactly
[14:33] <hatch> that's the whole point
[14:33] <hatch> take a look at Lazy Model Lists - they ARE just objects
[14:34] <kadams54> Sure, but I thought that was a concession for performance
[14:35] <rick_h_> dumb objects ftw
[14:35] <kadams54> rick_h_: bah
[14:35] <rick_h_> :)
[14:36] <kadams54> In my experience, particularly in the Java world, dumb data objects lead to incredible code bloat.
[14:37] <rick_h_> ime dumb objects lead to great testability, easy resuability, and easier debugging
[14:37] <hatch> "...in the Java world...incredible code bloat..." there I fixed it for you :P
[14:37] <kadams54> They couldn't do anything, so you had to write all these other classes that manipulated them. DOs were wrapped by DAOs so you could do data query operations. Then the controllers took the DOs out of the DAOs and re-wrapped them in some other view object whose name escapes me, to prep the object for the view.
[14:37] <kadams54> Don't get me wrong. Fat models are also bad.
[14:38] <kadams54> But the truth is in the middle.
[14:38] <rick_h_> kadams54: hatch I'm not up on the whole conversation, just speaking in general terms the GUI's been bitten by parts that were too smart for their own good and we've learned that dumber parts (widgets, models, etc) have helped the gui over the long run
[14:40] <kadams54> I'll do it as a util method, but under protest. util methods suck.
[14:40]  * rick_h_ reads more of backlog
[14:40] <hatch> I'm ok with that :)
[14:41] <kadams54> Just as a general concept… I tend to be opposed to putting things in utils because all too often it turns into an unwieldy dumping ground for code bloat.
[14:41] <hatch> yeah I agree with that
[14:41] <kadams54> So your objects are all nice and clean and shiny because you just outsourced the crufty stuff to a monster 5000 line mish-mash of "utils"
[14:41] <hatch> but you could put it in the db
[14:41] <hatch> and typically you have multiple utils files
[14:42] <hatch> (we only have 3) :P
[14:42] <kadams54> IMO the DB ought not know about the relations within it. ServicesList seems like the better fit to me.
[14:43] <rick_h_> hmm, so just reading the backlog, the method findUnrelatedServices seems like it'd be something I'd call on a db passing in a service.
[14:43] <kadams54> Though, per my comment on the PR, it doesn't seem like the type of aggregate operation that is intended for ModelList.
[14:43] <rick_h_> someone link me to the source?
[14:43] <kadams54> https://github.com/kadams54/juju-gui/blob/hide-highlight-tweaks/app/models/models.js#L313-L328
[14:44] <hatch> rick_h_: I also commented on your question in my PR https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/624#discussion_r19251726
[14:44] <rick_h_> so yea, anti it being on service, but +1 on it being up the stack there in the service list/db.services
[14:44] <rick_h_> vs a util
[14:44] <hatch> I'll go with that
[14:44] <rick_h_> just to toss in my .02
[14:45]  * hatch throws in his .02
[14:45]  * hatch hopes kadams54 isn't rich
[14:45] <kadams54> hatch is in luck.
[14:45] <hatch> lol
[14:45] <hatch> I was waiting for you to drop $1 on there :P
[14:45] <kadams54> OK, I'll move it up to the servicelist and add a test.
[14:45] <hatch> udaman
[14:45] <kadams54> Anything else needed to land this branch?
[14:46] <hatch> well I'm curious about your concern for the render method
[14:46] <hatch> it looked fine to me
[14:46] <hatch> am I missing something? :)
[14:46] <kadams54> The changes need to be tested, but the underlying code seemed very hacky to me…
[14:47] <kadams54> Though that was before our chat yesterday.
[14:47] <kadams54> I was going to write more functional-ish tests that exercised the UI-facing bits of code as part of moving away from custom events and towards database changes.
[14:48] <hatch> ahh - well the render code looks good - I think that once we make the 'db the source of truth' stuff then it's easy to reason about
[14:48] <kadams54> Yeah, sounds good. Test findUnrelatedServices in this branch, test the rendering in subsequent branches.
[14:48] <kadams54> Is that a correct summary?
[14:49] <rick_h_> hatch: kadams54 and I'm going to pull the 'remember my settings' card for now. I want us to focus on using the feature/etc over that
[14:49] <hatch> kadams54: yep that fine - just make sure those tests get in there later ;)
[14:49] <kadams54> I'm not familiar with that card?
[14:50] <hatch> rick_h_: kadams54 yep that's good I already marked it as low
[14:50] <kadams54> Oh, nevermind
[14:50] <hatch> :)
[14:50] <kadams54> I thought you meant a "card" as in "I'm pulling the team lead, master-of-the-universe card.", not as in an actual kanban card. :-)
[14:51] <rick_h_> kadams54: oh, no I try to keep my 'team lead' cards in a box on the desk
[14:51] <hatch> when that box drops, you'll know
[14:51] <kadams54> Right next to the Crimes Against Humanity box, right?
[14:51] <kadams54> ;-)
[14:51] <hatch> california will finally split from the US via an earthquake
[14:54] <Makyo> jujugui call in 6
[14:56]  * hatch just realize hatch and Makyo are the same character length
[14:56] <Makyo> It's only been, what, a year and a half?
[14:57] <hatch> pretty close to 2 yep :)
[15:00] <hatch> trying to join
[15:00] <rick_h_> kadams54: frankban Makyo ^
[15:33] <hatch__> guess I'm going to have to spin up a new vm with utopic on it now
[16:01] <hatch> I'm really curious if we could do the canvas with react...
[16:12] <hatch> frankban: +1 on your GUI branch
[16:13] <hatch> my GigE router has a max transfer rate of about 50MB/s
[16:13] <hatch> lol false advert much?
[16:18] <frankban> hatch: thanks
[16:22] <jrwren> hatch: that is max gigE
[16:23] <jrwren> hatch: to go higher than that you need to enable jumbo frames, which you probably do not want to do.
[16:23] <hatch> 50MB/s is the max?
[16:23] <jrwren> hatch: with a 1500byte MTU, yes.
[16:24] <hatch> well what the deuce
[16:24] <hatch> Do you know how long it takes to back up 100GB at 50MB\s
[16:24] <hatch> long time!
[16:24] <hatch> that's how long
[16:26] <jrwren> hatch: there is a pretty bad discussion about it here: http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=343089
[16:28] <hatch> so basically I'm SOL if I want anything faster :)
[16:29] <hatch> well, I suppose I could buy a thunderbolt equipped NAS and park it beside my laptop
[16:29] <hatch> :)
[16:29] <jrwren> 10gig is getting cheaper.
[16:30] <jrwren> or I could be completely wrong.
[16:30] <hatch> tbh I had no idea that gige was so slow
[16:30] <hatch> no wonder server networks are all fiber
[16:30] <jrwren> its gigabit, not gigabyte.
[16:31] <jrwren> you are getting about 50% of that, because your default MTU is 1500
[16:31] <jrwren> gigE supports going to 9k MTU.
[16:31] <hatch> right but that's huge
[16:31] <jrwren> IME server networks aren't all fiber.
[16:31] <hatch> heh
[16:31] <jrwren> the server networks can run 9k MTU though.
[16:32] <hatch> is it still TCP? So it would do the ramp up to 9k?
[16:32] <jrwren> no, that is ethernet MTU
[16:32] <hatch> intersting....
[16:33] <hatch> so what are the downsides to increasing the MTU? Some things may not support it?
[16:34] <hatch> kadams54: I can't find any reason why the service items unhide when pan'd
[16:36] <hatch> this stuff is very opaque with everything being controlled by events firing everywhere heh
[16:37] <hatch> kadams54: there is a bug when you try and hide/highlight a ghost service - is this known?
[16:38] <hatch> Uncaught TypeError: Cannot set property 'highlighted' of undefined service.js:1439
[16:39] <hatch> annnd now I have found why it's being shown again :)
[16:59] <jrwren> hatch: your rather has to be able to fragment packets, which ipv6 doesn't allow, so anything ipv6 will be broken.  your inet router presumably is not gigabit, and so supports MTU of 1500, and that ends up as a lot of fragments, which slows things down.
[16:59] <jrwren> hatch: fragment reassembly is expensive.
[16:59] <jrwren> hatch: it may be worth cautiously playing with :)
[17:00] <kadams54> hatch: a bug on highlighting a ghosted service is new to me.
[17:00] <hatch> lol
[17:00] <hatch> maybe
[17:00] <hatch> kadams54: ok I'll file it
[17:05] <hatch> kadams54: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1384819
[17:05] <mup> Bug #1384819: Hiding ghost services throws console error <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1384819>
[17:05] <rick_h_> hatch: feel free to triage that as high and add a card for it
[17:06] <hatch> doing
[17:08] <rick_h_> ty much
[17:13] <kadams54> hatch: test added and findUnrelatedServices moved. I rebased before pushing and then realized I should not have, so sorry about that.
[17:14] <hatch> s'ok i'll take a look
[17:26] <hatch> odd my ubuntu clock is accurate today
[17:29] <hatch> kadams54: one comment
[17:29] <hatch> just thought of it reading your tests
[17:31] <kadams54> I don't know what peer relations are?
[17:32] <kadams54> How this handles different types of relationships (subordinate and otherwise) probably depends on how getRelationDataForService handles them.
[17:32] <kadams54> If it reports them as a related service, then they will be excluded from the set of unrelated services.
[17:33] <hatch> hmm
[17:33] <hatch> a peer relation is essentially a relation between itself
[17:34] <hatch> then there are subordinate relations
[17:34] <hatch> which I think work as expected....
[17:34] <hatch> we should definitely add these relation types to that test
[17:34] <hatch> just to be safe
[17:41] <hatch> I have somehow made my irc client go fullscreen and I can't get out of it
[17:41] <rick_h_> lol
[17:41] <jcw4> hatch: I think quassel has bugs around full screen
[17:42] <hatch> yeah...hmm
[17:42] <hatch> I can't even close it lol
[17:42] <jcw4> I kept crashing or getting it stuck so I quit using f11
[17:42] <jcw4> teh suk
[17:45] <jcw4> hatch: the additional bummer is even if you kill it it may start in full screen again because of preferences
[17:45] <hatch> well here is to hoping I don't do THAT again
[17:45] <hatch> yeah I got lucky
[17:45] <hatch> I was worried about that
[17:46] <hatch> kadams54: so I don't know off hand what the syntax for peer or subordinate relations are - so you might want to deploy wordpress to get the peer relation data
[17:46] <hatch> and I think nagios has a subordinate charm
[17:46] <hatch> so you could do that one for that data
[17:47] <hatch> I wish there was a Textual for Ubuntu
[17:47] <hatch> Textual is a killer IRC client
[17:50] <jcw4> Textual is my favourite too... I just like quassel because I have quassel core running on an always-on ec2 instance so I don't lose history
[17:52] <hatch> yeah Textual has deep ZNC integration
[17:52] <hatch> but it doesn't run on Ubuntu
[17:52] <hatch> :)
[17:58] <kadams54> hatch: do you think that's relevant to the function being tested?
[17:58] <kadams54> Seems like it would be more appropriate in tests for getRelationDataForService
[17:58] <hatch> well that function needs to work properly to return the unrelated services - if it's returning unrelated that are actually related
[17:59] <hatch> well no the getRelationData method returns the relation data
[17:59] <hatch> at least as I understand it
[18:00] <hatch> technically it's returning all 'related' services then it's up to something else to act on that
[18:00] <kadams54> Ah, so you think the data for a peer or subordinte relation would not be structured as { far: { service: 'foobar'}}
[18:00] <hatch> I'm not sure tbh :)
[18:01] <hatch> it just came to mind while reading the test
[18:01] <kadams54> I thought your concern was that the set of related services might not include everything it should.
[18:01] <hatch> I would hate if a subordinate wasn't hidden (or was) when it wasn't suppsoed to be
[18:01] <kadams54> But it sounds like that's not right; what you're actually worried about is that the data in that set could look different for different types of relationships. Is that correct?
[18:02] <hatch> right
[18:02] <kadams54> I'll verify
[18:02] <hatch> if you're filtering on 'far' but 'subordinate' is still shown
[18:02] <hatch> then that'll be a UI bug
[18:02] <hatch> but not sure if that's a real issue :)
[18:05] <hatch> thanks for looking into it'
[18:05] <hatch> I know know where the canvas bugs are comign from but still groking how best to fix
[18:19] <hatch> lunching
[19:05] <kadams54> hatch: verified that subordinate and peer relationships use the same data structure.
[19:13] <hatch> kadams54: awesome thanks
[19:19] <kadams54> hatch: you a +1 to land that?
[19:19] <hatch> oh yeah
[19:19] <hatch> :)
[19:19] <hatch> sorry
[20:02] <urulama> nice to see CS surviving floods of icon requests :D
[20:03] <rick_h_> :)
[20:03] <hatch> moar pichures
[20:04] <urulama> :D :D
[20:18] <hatch> rick_h_: jcsackett do you guys know if I can install GUI'd applications in an lxc?
[20:18] <rick_h_> huh?
[20:19] <rick_h_> what's a GUI'd application?
[20:19] <hatch> well anything with a GUI, say Eclipse IDE
[20:19] <urulama> hatch: ssh -X ?
[20:19] <hatch> or sublime, etc
[20:19] <rick_h_> yea, probably have to do X forwarding/etc but sure
[20:19] <rick_h_> hatch: I think serge had a blog post on doing that
[20:19] <rick_h_> https://www.stgraber.org/2014/02/09/lxc-1-0-gui-in-containers/
[20:19] <hatch> essentially I'm wondering if I could create a charm for developing with dart which would include the ide and such
[20:19] <rick_h_> hatch: ^
[20:20] <hatch> ahh excellent
[20:20] <hatch> yet another weekend project that may or may not get started on :)
[20:21] <hatch> it would be super awesome to juju bootstrap local; juju deploy dart-dev-env :)
[20:21] <hatch> I'm just using dart as an example - this could be very helpful for many different dev envuironments
[22:05] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:05] <hatch> yooooo
[22:57] <rick_h_> huwshimi: morning
[22:58] <rick_h_> huwshimi: hatch sorry, doing dishes and lost track of time
[22:58] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Hey, no problems
[22:58] <rick_h_> hatch: did you need to do weekly call?
[22:58] <rick_h_> huwshimi: let's just meet there in case he wants to jump in
[23:00] <rick_h_> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/cmljay5oYXJkaW5nQGNhbm9uaWNhbC5jb20.dd77sn7kjl6unba21lutdr0p70?authuser=1
[23:00] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Yep, just joined
[23:00] <huwshimi> oh
[23:00] <huwshimi> joinoing
[23:25] <huwshimi> rick_h_: The issue from Maddison's branch is actually an issue already on trunk, so I might just ship his branch and then do a tiny followup branch to fix the issue. Sound OK?
[23:26] <rick_h_> huwshimi: rgr
[23:26] <rick_h_> huwshimi: thanks!
[23:29] <huwshimi> rick_h_: np, thank you!