[00:48] <mwhudson> vorlon: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#mozjs78 talks about a missing binary on i386 but the new package does not build there, do you need to remove the old binaries?
[00:49] <mwhudson> i'm not sure why it didn't build on i386 though
[00:50] <sarnold> maybe steam folks didn't use it?
[00:51] <mwhudson> here's where i completely forget where the list of packages that build on i386 lives again
[00:51] <sarnold> aye,I was hoping I had it written down somewhere..
[00:52] <sarnold> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/i386 suggests it's a seed
[01:43] <mwhudson> ah yes https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/i386
[01:50] <mwhudson> still don't really undertstand why one version of mozjs78 built on i386 and one didn't
[01:51] <vorlon> the previous version might've been used by something a while ago and no longer is but I haven't done a cleanup of no-longer-needed i386 binaries in a bit
[01:54] <vorlon> ummm this just removed mozjs91 binaries but not mozjs78
[01:54] <vorlon> oh, possibly processing main first, then universe
[01:54] <vorlon> nope
[01:54] <vorlon> hm
[01:54] <vorlon> so mozjs78 IS in the whitelist
[01:56] <vorlon> oh, no, I was working from a stale copy of the whitelist, cough
[02:02] <vorlon> ok, removed now
[02:03] <vorlon> mwhudson: are you looking at ncbi-vdb?
[02:03] <mwhudson> vorlon: no, i was looking at osmo-pcu
[02:03] <mwhudson> vorlon: is that a request? :)
[02:04] <vorlon> ahhh good luck
[02:04] <mwhudson> uh oh
[02:04] <vorlon> nah just wondering, since you're clearly on NBS and I have too many terminals open here paused for looking at ncbi-vdb
[02:05] <vorlon> for osmo-pcu, it looked to me like the person who synced this transition post-FF has regressed BE and should get to keep the pieces :P
[02:05] <vorlon> for ncbi-vdb, my next step was going to be to try to reproduce in Debian
[02:05] <vorlon> since there's no sign of this particular failure on ci.debian.net
[02:15] <mwhudson> what on earth, this is some kind of c++ initializer ordering problem
[02:22] <vorlon> which one?
[02:25] <mwhudson> omso-pcu
[02:25] <mwhudson>         /* e must make sure to initialize logging before the BTS static
[02:25] <mwhudson>          * constructors are executed below, as those call libosmocore APIs that
[02:25] <mwhudson>          * require logging already to be initialized. */
[02:25] <mwhudson>         __attribute__((constructor)) static void early_init(void)
[02:25] <mwhudson> somehow this isn't happening
[02:25] <vorlon> funfun
[02:26] <mwhudson> or the authors are making assumptions about ordering that are not always valid
[02:29] <jamesh> sounds like a job for .preinit_array
[02:29] <mwhudson> jamesh: do you know how this stuff works? it's c++ static initialization vs __attribute__((constructor))
[02:33] <jamesh> iirc, C++ constructors are called via the array of function pointers in the .init_array section
[02:33] <jamesh> .preinit_array is called before that
[02:34] <mwhudson> huh you can pass a priority to the constructor attribute too
[02:35] <jamesh> we used .preinit_array in snapd's snap-update-ns to do some work before Go's init functions
[02:37] <mwhudson> "However, at present, the order in which constructors for C++ objects with static storage duration and functions decorated with attribute constructor are invoked is unspecified."
[02:38] <mwhudson> lalala
[02:38] <jamesh> right. But .preinit_array will be called before anything in .init_array
[02:38] <mwhudson> jamesh: right
[02:38] <mwhudson> also hilariously upstream's git repository seems to have gone away?
[02:39] <mwhudson> also time for childcare duties
[02:40] <jamesh> I think the only way to guarantee ordering of C++ static initialised objects is to have their constructors reference the other.
[02:44] <jamesh> e.g. the stdlib iostreams plunking an __ioinit object in every object that includes <iostream>
[03:47] <mwhudson> jamesh: it's not c++ static initializer vs c++ static initializer tho
[03:47] <mwhudson> https://github.com/osmocom/osmo-pcu/blob/master/src/bts.cpp#L60
[03:47] <mwhudson> OH MY GOD
[03:48] <mwhudson> " Once we support GCC4.7 and up we can change the code below."
[03:49] <mwhudson> ah https://osmocom.org/projects/osmopcu/repository/osmopcu/revisions/0a369e560cef5967bdf47a7ee9b36bf98b418cc8/diff/src/bts.cpp
[03:49] <jamesh> could be worse. It could have been gcc 2.96
[03:49] <mwhudson> egcs even
[03:50] <jamesh> at least egcs releases were real releases. There is no upstream gcc 2.96
[03:52] <mwhudson> ah
[03:53] <mwhudson> i had forgotten that drama
[07:48] <schopin> I'm getting a GPG BADSIG error on the jammy InRelease files when trying to update my jammy systems (daily driver but also my schroots), is this a known issue? (tried several mirrors, same problem)
[08:45] <juliank> schopin: Works for me Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy InRelease [270 kB]
[08:46] <juliank> schopin: Same if it jumps to french mirror Hit:2 http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy InRelease
[08:46] <juliank> I get: E: Failed to fetch http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/dists/jammy/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.xz  File has unexpected size (4865008 != 4857464). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[08:47] <juliank> Either ddeb-retriever crashed or that will fix itself any minute now :)
[08:47] <juliank> Fixed itself :)
[10:43] <GunnarHj> sil2100: Can you check if the language pack generation for jammy is broken again. I would have expected some sign of a delta build based on yesterday's source.
[10:44] <sil2100> GunnarHj: I discussed some of that with seb on -release - it seems to work as if you take a look at the queue, you'll see a lot of langpacks arriving:
[10:44] <sil2100> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[10:45] <sil2100> Patience! I will accept those once they all arrive at the queue
[10:45] <GunnarHj> sil2100: Ah, great. Forgot about the queue.
[10:46] <sil2100> I switched the delta langpacks crontab on yesterday so I was sure we'd get something today eventually
[10:46] <sil2100> (and if not, I'd take a look later)
[10:46] <GunnarHj> Ack.
[10:46] <Kolusion> A retard has banned me from the #ubuntu channel for no apparent reason.
[10:59] <Kolusion> No wonder desktop users don't want to use Ubuntu even if its for free. With social retards involved, no ones interested.
[11:00] <schopin> Kolusion: regardless of the reason why you were banned on #ubuntu, please note that the Ubuntu CoC applies on all Ubuntu channels, including here.
[11:01] <Kolusion> How many people out of the 194 people in this room do you think have actually read them?
[11:02] <mwhudson> vorlon: ncbi-vdb is crazy, it seems throwing an exception is triggering an abort in the unwind code
[11:05] <mwhudson> i guess it could be some kind of memory corruption
[11:13] <Kolusion> I see I am still banned.
[11:13] <Kolusion> There must be more retard developers that I thought.
[11:13] <Kolusion> No wonder Windows 11 marketshare overtook all of Linux in its 25 years.
[11:13] <Kolusion> On day 1
[11:14] <mwhudson> oh it's lto probably
[11:16] <schopin> mwhudson: it seems "it's lto probably" is often the answer when weird memory/stack corruption is involved...
[11:17] <mwhudson> schopin: yeah i don't think it's memory corruption this time (valgrind has no complaints)
[11:17] <mwhudson> very similar to this, fwiw https://jira.mariadb.org/browse/MDEV-25633
[11:23] <seb128> Kolusion, so you are trying to repeat by acting in an offensive manner here now until you eventually get kicked out for it and use it as a reason to go rant on another channel how idiots kicked you out from the channel?
[11:24] <Kolusion> seb128: No one is acting in an offensive manner. I am simply stating a fact. People don't like Ubuntu people half the time it doesn't work and when people ask for help they usually encounter social retards.
[11:24] <Kolusion> seb128: Like my experience.
[11:24] <Kolusion> seb128: Resisting my opinion is not going to help Canonical.
[11:25] <seb128> Kolusion, you are on the wrong place to share experience, that's a developer channel, we talk about technical problems not social ones
[11:25] <seb128> Kolusion, also calling people retards isn't going to help you
[11:25] <Kolusion> seb128: Ubuntu is a social project- developers and social interaction go hand-in-hand.
[11:25] <Kolusion> seb128: I will call out an apple as an apple.
[11:27] <Kolusion> I have to go now. Ubuntu is a broken piece of trash and now I need to find a solution in Windows 10.
[11:27] <seb128> have a nice day
[11:27] <xnox> why did none of my /ignore /mute commands worked?
[11:28] <xnox> how does one use IRC to ignore messages from certain people? (i use wechat)
[11:30] <seb128> xnox, that should work afaik...
[11:31] <seb128> xnox, or maybe /ignore add <username>
[12:50] <Kolusion> How come no one writes drivers for Ubuntu?
[13:17] <ahasenack> what type of drivers?
[14:11] <jdstrand> amurray, mardy: hey, fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1967884 for something to watch out for
[14:14] <tjaalton> juliank: hi, I'm unable to use 'sbuild --extra-package=...' for sid builds if I have packages built on jammy there, it complains about "'foo.deb' uses unknown compression for member 'control.tar.zst', giving up". is debian missing something?
[14:14] <juliank> tjaalton: Debian does not support zstd compressed deb packages
[14:15] <juliank> tjaalton: The dpkg maintainer did not accept the zstd patches, opted instead for multi-threaded xz decompression to make things faster
[14:15] <tjaalton> juliank: okay
[14:16] <tjaalton> found the thread
[14:17] <tjaalton> but we carry them?
[14:21] <schopin> Yes.
[14:21] <tjaalton> can I default to some other compression for locally built packages?
[14:32]  * ahasenack would also like to know that
[14:34] <tjaalton> dh_builddeb could pass parameters to dpkg-deb, but haven't found an environment value or something to control that
[14:36] <juliank> I don't think there's a way to override this
[14:46] <tjaalton> alright
[15:20] <vorlon> mwhudson: whee the ncbi-vdb blocker is also an LTO-related misbuild of sra-sdk
[18:48] <vorlon> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html one knot left... who wants to work on D libraries
[19:20] <seb128> does anyone remember why there is a 'skip' button on the ubiquity side screen?
[19:20] <seb128> and what it is supposed to do?
[19:22] <seb128> trying to git blame the vcs it was added in 2006 and the description mentioned cancelling progress bar, the code is setting a debconf_progress_cancellable to false/true but it's not clear to me how that is ending up to do anything?
[19:22] <seb128> cjwatson, ^ you wrote that code back then, it has been ages ago but maybe you remember some details?
[19:22] <seb128> I'm wondering if we should just remove that button
[19:41] <vorlon> seb128: speaking of, now that jxrlib has been bootstrapped, can you please add it directly to the seed so that it can be dropped from the code? lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/i386
[19:42] <vorlon> seb128: ECHAN
[19:53] <cjwatson> seb128: goodness, uh, I probably can't remember any more than you can get by tracing through the code for yourself TBH
[19:53] <cjwatson> seb128: I guess it was meant to interact with the debconf cancel capability somehow
[19:54] <cjwatson> Or whatever it's called.  debconf-apt-progress might be worth poring over
[20:04] <seb128> cjwatson, well, trying to follow the code makes me believe it's not doing anything anymore, git blame makes me end up on refactoring commits, I guess I could try to check out older revisions and read what the code was doing back then. Thanks for the reply!
[20:04] <seb128> I will also check debconf-apt-progress
[20:36] <mwhudson> vorlon: yeah and a highly weird one at that
[20:38] <vorlon> ddstreet, rbasak: so uh I don't see anywhere in this TB thread that the actual text (or link thereto) of the proposed charter has been included, can someone who knows actually forward it to the list?
[20:58] <ddstreet> vorlon lol, sorry, it's funny that you are the first one to have noticed that :) i'll follow up on the ML and update the agenda too, and for reference here it's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter
[20:59] <ddstreet> vorlon also i've suggested to the backports team to drop our attempt at getting ratification and just proceed with approving it using our own approval, and move on with real work
[20:59] <ddstreet> but if the TB would like to ratify it, please feel free
[22:57] <mwhudson> tumbleweed: any idea why gnuradio is sad?
[22:58] <mwhudson> how do langpack builds fail
[23:39] <mwhudson> arrrgh glibc/focal/riscv64 failed _different_ math tests in my last retry
[23:44] <amurray> jdstrand: thanks for the heads up - now that I go looking I see I am seeing this too


[10:16] <leagris> Hello, are there up to date (Lucid) doc/howto setup diskless fat clients servicing with LTSP?
[10:19] <rocket16> Friends, What is the size for Edubuntu addon?
[10:20] <rocket16> Friends, any help?
[10:20] <rocket16> Is it around 1 GB?
[10:20] <alkisg> There's no add on for 10.04
[10:20] <alkisg> It's a live dvd
[10:21] <alkisg> 2,3G
[10:22] <rocket16> alkisg: Thanks, but I meant the size of Edubuntu-desktop package total. I found it from Synaptic, it is around 222 MB for me (Since I had several packages preinstalled here).
[15:18] <highvoltage> hey everyone
[17:58] <Ahmuck> any suggestions for desktop recording software?
[18:54] <dinda> Ahmuck: gtkrecordmydesktop works good if you only require .ogg or .ogv output
[18:54] <dinda> Ahmuck: then it gets more complex to convert to other flavors - currently there's a known bug in trying to get flv and mp4 formats
[19:08] <Ahmuck> was looking at instunbul ... use it b4?
[19:54] <mhall119> I've used instanbul and gtkrecordmydesktop, both worked fine
[19:54] <mhall119> though I never tried making flv or mp4 video from them
[20:04] <Ahmuck> looking at doing a video tutorial of ... ["Ever wanted to make fun of bad feature films? Or perhaps you miss Mystery Science Theater 3000? Learn how to to combine the audio commentaries of RiffTrax (one of the two children of MST3K) with the feature films that they make fun of!"] - using Handbrake, Audacity, and Avidemux


[19:43] <murmel> which key is normally used for the -next release? I want to get sources.list working, with a key to each repo. and for some reason I can't get the right key for kinetic source
[20:56] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: It's not just "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ kinetic main universe restricted multiverse"? I seem to think that worked for me, maybe you need to use a different mirror.
[20:57] <rbasak> murmel: $ curl http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy/InRelease|gpg --verify
[20:57] <rbasak> ...
[20:57] <rbasak> gpg: Signature made Thu 21 Apr 2022 18:16:39 BST using RSA key ID 991BC93C
[21:16] <tomreyn> oh my... why does gpg still use short key IDs...


[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[09:33] <s-fox> Hello everyone
[09:33] <s-fox> ping jcastro
[09:34] <czajkowski> s-fox: wrong timezone anything anyone else can help with ?
[09:34] <s-fox> Hello czajkowski , how are you? Yes I know he is in a US timezone. I was hoping he would see the ping and reply later.
[09:35] <s-fox> czajkowski,  Possibly, do you know the status on the hdds that have been ordered for the ubuntu forums?
[09:36] <czajkowski> s-fox: I don't but if you have a RT number I can go and find out for you if you want
[09:37] <s-fox> The last update I saw was several weeks ago, where sourcing them was proving to be problematic.
[09:37] <s-fox> Unfortunately i do not have the rt number.
[09:46] <czajkowski> s-fox: ok
[09:49] <czajkowski> s-fox: hopefully he;ll see the ping but I think he's at a conference today
[09:52] <s-fox> No worries czajkowski =)
[09:54] <czajkowski> so happy tis friday this week has dagged
[09:54] <czajkowski> *dragged
[09:56] <s-fox> Oh? Long week? It has been rather quick here to be honest.
[09:56] <s-fox> Any plans for the weekend czajkowski  ?
[09:56] <czajkowski> family dinner tonight with my cousins, tomorrow heading off to Galway with my mum, and then Sunday I fly back to London
[09:57] <czajkowski> Sunday I move house
[09:57] <s-fox> Manic
[09:57] <s-fox> I remember last time I moved. It was really stressful
[09:58] <czajkowski> am going to do a bit each evening this week and then move in from sunday week
[09:58] <czajkowski> then a week in london and then UDS
[09:58] <czajkowski> busy :)
[10:01] <s-fox> Sounds like a good plan to me. Hope the move goes okay for you.
[10:01] <czajkowski> aye shouldnt be too bad tbh
[10:01] <czajkowski> hopefully :)
[10:03] <s-fox> lol, just realised my iphone is looping the same song.  Thought I had heard sally cinammon a few times this morning already. :)
[10:04] <czajkowski> have a online radio on when I work no adds and no talking
[10:04] <czajkowski> rather handy
[10:07] <s-fox> czajkowski,  That sounds alright, the guys in my dept listen to radio 2 alot - which i cannot stand. haha
[10:09] <czajkowski> s-fox: http://www.defjay.com/player/default.asp?bw=hi&pl=swf  or else absolute 80's but that has talking and adds
[10:10] <czajkowski> dpm: would you mind having a look at some stage today at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/194154
[10:10] <s-fox> Thanks, i'll take a look.
[10:18] <dpm> hi czajkowski, unfortunately, this is not something I can solve. I'd suggest contacting an LP developer
[10:18] <czajkowski> dpm: no worries just confused as to the issue as well
[10:26] <dpm> czajkowski, np :)
[10:26] <czajkowski> the hiding of the address is just confusin
[10:26] <czajkowski> working on it now
[10:55] <dpm> ok, cool
[11:10]  * jussi waves
[11:10] <czajkowski> herrro jussi
[11:11] <jussi> good afternoon czajkowski
[13:08] <jussi> Did we all notice the nice little quote about ubuntu from Linus?
[13:08] <jussi> That kind of senseless user hostility is something that we’ve generally come away from (and some kernel people tend to dismiss Ubuntu, but I really think that Ubuntu has generally had the right approach, and been very user-centric).
[13:08] <jussi> http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/19/an-interview-with-millenium-technology-prize-finalist-linus-torvalds/
[13:10] <popey> yeah, seems to have spread on the socials
[13:18] <mhall119> it's like he's famous
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, dpm, jcastro, mhall119, balloons demo day
[15:01] <dholbach> yep
[15:01] <jono> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/extras/canonical.com/horsemen?authuser=0&hl=en&shxp=1&eid
[15:01] <balloons> ohh sweet! a balloons demo?
[15:02] <jono> lol
[15:04] <jono> mhall119, you there?
[15:17] <cjohnston> jcastro: summit has markup
[15:23] <mhall119> cjohnston: \o/
[16:34] <dholbach> alright my friends - it seems I have to run - I have a rock band from Luxembourg I need to eat tasty tasty burgers with
[16:34] <dholbach> have a great weekend everyone
[16:34] <dholbach> big hugs
[16:37] <pangolin> I have an issue with the Big Up Ubuntu add on facebook
[16:37] <pangolin> Why does the main add say "steal it" when the terms and conditions clearly state the work must be original
[16:37] <pangolin> ?
[16:38] <pangolin> this is sensationalism in advertising and I find it disappointing that Canonical would be a party to it.
[16:39] <pangolin> Work so hard a making something free for all but then advertise that it is ok to steal.
[16:39] <pangolin> if anybody can explain this reasoning I would appreciate it
[17:02] <mhall119> pangolin: link?
[17:03] <pangolin> https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux/app_274602682618810
[17:04] <mhall119> pangolin: ah, I believe that was meant more in jest than literal
[17:05] <mhall119> like, if you re-purpose a meme for ubuntu, you "stole" it
[17:05] <mhall119> so "Ubuntu ALL OF THE THINGS!", as an example
[17:05] <pangolin> mhall119, jokes about theft from a company that is based on open source are not funny
[17:05] <dpm> have a nice weekend everyone!
[17:05] <pangolin> you too dpm
[17:06] <mhall119> it wasn't a joke about theft, it's slang that maybe doesn't translate well
[17:06] <dpm> ;)
[17:07] <pangolin> mhall119, I get the slang and I do understand how it was meant to be playful and not to encourage theft. What I am saying is that there are way better methods to entice and get people to participate.
[17:10] <pangolin> Guess the whole ac/dc thing got forgotten :)
[17:10] <pangolin> most people won't bother to take the time to get permission to use others works and they will post them to Canonical FB page.
[17:11] <nlsthzn> this is the nature of the new social media explosion
[17:14] <balloons> pangolin, I think whomever wrote that page is using "steal" in a non-literal sense
[17:15] <balloons> I myself invert the true meaning of words all the time, and within the context of the audience I'm speaking to they may understand it.. It's best avoided when speaking to a broad audience, as in this case
[17:15] <pangolin> Ubuntu is international, used by many non native English speakers, will the sarcasm translate? will they get that is is a joke?
[17:16] <pangolin> the wording is poorly chosen.
[17:24] <jono> pangolin, it was a joke
[17:24] <jono> I don't think people will misinterpret it
[17:25] <jono> in terms of an international audience, all jokes can be read in a way in which the humor doesn't work
[17:25] <jono> but then we would have pretty dry marketing material, and that would suck
[17:26] <pangolin> bikini clad women in advertising is acceptable and common in some countries.
[17:27] <jono> pangolin, indeed
[17:27] <pangolin> I know I am taking it to an extreme there.
[17:27] <jono> and different people have different views
[17:27] <jono> as an example, I personally have no issue with bikini clad women in ads, but some people do take offense at that
[17:27] <jono> everyone has their own view of what is considered appropriate
[17:28] <jono> I think we just need a good balance
[17:28] <jono> pangolin, I do agree though that some sarcasm might not translate well
[17:28] <pangolin> you honestly believe that "steal it" fell on the good side of the scale?
[17:29] <jono> pangolin, I think it was a joke that most people will see as a joke
[17:29] <jono> *everything* can be read multiple ways
[17:29] <jono> Ubuntu is Linux for Human Beings...that could be interpreted as being patronizing to people
[17:30] <pangolin> I'll leave the business side to the business people and continue doing what I can for the community, but I really think the business people should have a read at the philosophy of the community.
[17:30] <popey> pangolin: you're overthinking it ☺
[17:30] <jono> pangolin, I think you are reading too much into this
[17:30] <pangolin> probably am :)
[17:30] <jono> it was a joke...not a reflection on our philosophy
[17:31] <popey> i frequently steal jonos jokes
[17:31] <jono> lol
[17:31] <popey> and bury them in the garden so nobody else has to hear them
[17:31] <pangolin> jono says things that are funny?
[17:31] <pangolin> hehe
[17:31] <popey> yeah, unintentionally
[17:31] <jono> which says a lot about popey, that is some slim pickings
[17:31] <jono> haha
[17:31] <popey> thats the nicest thing you've ever said near me!
[17:31]  * jono hugs popey
[17:31] <popey> \o/
[17:32] <jono> :-)
[17:32]  * nlsthzn files this all under Random
[17:32] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing#A12.04_artwork
[17:32] <popey> by the way
[17:32] <jono> :-)
[21:19] <czajkowski> evening
[21:49] <jussi> hi there czajkowski
[21:51] <czajkowski> jussi: herrro
[21:52]  * jussi has just returned to KDE - its nice to be back, but there were some things about Unity I really appreciated :=)
[21:53] <pleia2> I added some new keybindings to Xfce after using Unity on my laptop for a while ;)
[21:53] <jussi> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/04/20/plasma-desktopkm3346.png ;=)
[21:54] <pleia2> well that's just an abomination
[21:54] <pleia2> :)
[21:54] <jussi> hehe
[21:55] <czajkowski> jussi: see this is nice http://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/193447412881301504/photo/1
[21:55] <jussi> but... but... I like it?
[21:56] <jussi> czajkowski: err, what did that have to do with this conversation? (I see a 5 year old bouncng on a trampoline...)
[21:56] <czajkowski> jussi: a nice link to look at :/
[21:57] <czajkowski> jussi: not a patch on your pics mind
[21:57] <jussi> oh :D
[21:57] <czajkowski> little one is looking rather cute
[21:57] <jussi> yeah, isnt she.
[21:57]  * jussi is a proud daddy
[21:58] <czajkowski> :)
[21:58] <jussi> czajkowski: she has been real smiley the last week or so
[21:59] <jussi> its nice :)
[21:59] <jussi> mind, I think she might be getting a tooth already
[21:59] <czajkowski> wow
[22:04] <tsimpson> jussi: I agree with czajkowski, your desktop is an abomination :p
[22:05] <jussi> tsimpson: well good thing Im the one that needs to use it
[22:05] <jussi> it works for me...
[22:06] <czajkowski> tsimpson: wasnt me who said it :)
[22:06] <czajkowski> I get blamed enough for saying the wrong thing! :)
[22:06] <tsimpson> right, it was pleia2
[22:06] <jussi> hehe
[22:06] <jussi> PING
[22:06] <tsimpson> so it turns out those folks at unity didn't need to write a whole new UI, they could have just switched to KDE?
[22:07] <tsimpson> jussi: credit where credit is due :)
[22:07] <jussi> tsimpson: pretty much
[22:08] <pleia2> the favorite moment in my 12.04 talk on tuesday was when one guy finishes playing with my system and ends with "that's very nice, but I want the button thing on the bottom"
[22:08] <pleia2> there's always one!
[22:08] <czajkowski> :/
[22:09] <jussi> tsimpson: mind I did do this when they first made unity...but they ignored me... ;P https://twitter.com/#!/jussi01/status/68319535840772096
[22:10] <mhall119> jussi: if I can't switch directly to an app with super+[0-9] then it ain't Unity :P
[22:11] <tsimpson> well then there's just no excuse :)
[22:11] <mhall119> If I can't aggregate search results from near and far into the Dash, then it ain't Unity
[22:13] <jussi> mhall119: I can do that in krunner already
[22:13] <jussi> and its pluginable
[22:15] <mhall119> jussi: is there a plugin for chicken curry recipes?
[22:15] <mhall119> if not, then it ain't Unity ;)
[22:15] <jussi> mhall119: meh :P just cause someone hasnt made a plugin yet... :P
[22:19] <jussi> mhall119: mind, as you know, I wouldnt mind if someone got the unity 2d dash running as a plasmoid...
[22:20] <mhall119> jussi: it *is* Qt
[22:22] <jussi> mhall119: I asked some people about it, but it seems its a rather large undertaking. I do want to talk to arelien about it though.
[22:23] <mhall119> have you asked mhr3?
[22:23] <mhall119> or, greyback might be better, I think he's worked on the -2d dash
[22:24] <mhall119> personally, I'd *love* to see lenses and scopes become a cross-desktop standard
[22:25] <jussi> didnt aurelien woek on 2d also?
[22:27] <jussi> meh, I should sleep its almost 2am...
[22:51] <doctormon> akgraner: Did you say you were going to email me?
[22:52] <akgraner> doctormon, I am as soon as I think of something witty to say :-P
[22:52] <akgraner> other than make a desktop for me
[22:52] <akgraner> I love the images you did for Tara and Jason those are awesome
[22:52] <doctormon> Lol, thought it might be a question/request, but a show of wit is always appreciated :-) what kind of desktop?
[22:53] <akgraner> request would be a wallpaper for me  or me
[22:53] <akgraner> for me of me  - I meant to say
[22:54] <akgraner> doctormon, you call see all my pics on FB :-) so if you could create something from those that would be the most awesome-est thing in the world
[22:55] <akgraner> dang it - can't freakin type ever it seems - s/call/can
[22:57] <akgraner> doctormon, I'll think of something witty and send you a more formal request :-)  but for now I have to run.. talk to you soon!


[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <rafaeldtinoco> o/
[15:01] <ddstreet> o/
[15:01] <paride> o/ :)
[15:02] <rafaeldtinoco> waiting couple of mins to start
[15:02] <rbasak> o/
[15:03] <rafaeldtinoco> #startmeeting Ubuntu Developer Membership Board Meeting
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jan 11 15:03:14 2021 UTC.  The chair is rafaeldtinoco. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:03] <rafaeldtinoco> chair rafaeldtinoco
[15:03] <rafaeldtinoco> #chair rafaeldtinoco
[15:03] <meetingology> Current chairs: rafaeldtinoco
[15:03] <rafaeldtinoco> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:04] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over)
[15:04] <ddstreet> carry over please
[15:04] <rafaeldtinoco> #action ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over)
[15:04] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over)
[15:04] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet to update the KnowledgeBase with details regarding creation of new packagesets
[15:05] <ddstreet> yep i believe that's done
[15:05] <rafaeldtinoco> tku! ... next one
[15:05] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet to add DKMS packages to the new kernel-dkms packageset
[15:05] <ddstreet> yep that is done
[15:05] <rafaeldtinoco> perfect! moving on..
[15:05] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak to reply to ML re: canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team creation (carried over)
[15:06] <teward> derp
[15:07] <teward> o/
[15:07] <teward> (I am here!)
[15:07] <rafaeldtinoco> teward: o/
[15:07] <rbasak> Carry over please
[15:07] <rbasak> I'll get to it very soon now I promise
[15:07] <rafaeldtinoco> #action rbasak to reply to ML re: canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team creation (carried over)
[15:07] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to reply to ML re: canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team creation (carried over)
[15:07] <teward> sorry was communicating privately with rbasak on a few things (and stabbing someone because one of my employers service providers has an email breach)
[15:07] <rafaeldtinoco> no worries, tku
[15:08] <rafaeldtinoco> sil2100: yours are marked as done
[15:08] <rafaeldtinoco> just referencing here for documentation
[15:08] <rafaeldtinoco> sil2100 to add slyon to core-dev (done)
[15:08] <rafaeldtinoco> sil2100 to announce slyon's successful application (done)
[15:08] <rafaeldtinoco> that gives us next top
[15:08] <rafaeldtinoco> topic
[15:08] <rafaeldtinoco> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications
[15:08] <rafaeldtinoco> today we have 2 applicants
[15:08] <rafaeldtinoco> paride: hello
[15:09] <rafaeldtinoco> paride: would you mind introducing yourself to the group ?
[15:09] <paride> hello Rafael! sure.
[15:10] <teward> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ParideLegovini/UbuntuServerDeveloperApplication
[15:10] <paride> I'm Paride Legovini, longtime Linux (Debian/Ubuntu) user located in Italy. I'm currently part of the Ubuntu Server team where I work as the QA engineer.
[15:10] <teward> #chair teward
[15:10] <meetingology> Current chairs: rafaeldtinoco teward
[15:10] <paride> My application page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ParideLegovini/UbuntuServerDeveloperApplication LP page: https://launchpad.net/~paride
[15:11] <teward> (sorry bout that rafaeldtinoco just wanted to assist :P )
[15:11] <rafaeldtinoco> teward: no reason to be sorry for
[15:11] <rafaeldtinoco> alright, let's have some minutes for members to read your application (if not already) and ask you some questions
[15:12] <paride> I've been involved with FLOSS development for several years now and began working with the Server Team in 2019. As part of my QA role I perform several different tasks, mostly maintaining automation of stuff, general quality checking, ISO testing and so on
[15:12] <paride> I also participate in the triage process, bugfix work and merging of packages from Debian
[15:13] <paride> I've also been involved in the Ubuntu Release process starting from 19.04, participating to the release "sprints" in person and lately remotely
[15:14] <paride> My background before starting to work as Ubuntu fulltime is mostly in the academia (I studies physics and then geophysics), where I performed mostly IT related work for research groups
[15:15] <paride> I am Debian Developer, which came handy from time to time for my Ubuntu work, and now I'm looking forward formally joining Ubuntu too :)
[15:15] <rafaeldtinoco> thanks paride
[15:15] <rbasak> I'm a colleague of Paride's, so I intend to step back and let others drive the interview.
[15:15] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: tku. I'm in the same situation, so I'll open for questions of other DMB members
[15:16] <rafaeldtinoco> sil2100: teward: ddstreet: go ahead whenever you're ready.
[15:18] <teward> my attention on this is only 50% at the moment - active netsec issues @ workplace
[15:18] <teward> but i have no questions at this time
[15:18] <teward> sil2100: ddstreet: floor's yours
[15:18] <ddstreet> paride most of your (listed) work so far has been on the devel release, have you done much sru work?
[15:19] <sil2100> No questions here o/
[15:20] <paride> ddstreet, I didn't do SRU uploads myself, however I've been involved in the cloud-init SRU process for the past few uploads, collecting test results to fill in cloud-init SRU bugs
[15:22] <ddstreet> thanks, no more q from me
[15:22] <paride> In general I did participate to sru *processes*, but without driving the process itself. Also as part of my triage process I did gave feedback on the possibility of SRUing a fix for the bug
[15:22] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: thank you
[15:22] <rafaeldtinoco> are we ready to vote ?
[15:23] <ddstreet> i'm ready
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> #vote paride, Ubuntu Server Developer pkgset application
[15:23] <meetingology> Please vote on: paride, Ubuntu Server Developer pkgset application
[15:23] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> #votesrequired 4
[15:23] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[15:24] <ddstreet> +1 light on sru work, but i'm happy with endorsements and existing work
[15:24] <meetingology> +1 light on sru work, but i'm happy with endorsements and existing work received from ddstreet
[15:25] <teward> +1
[15:25] <meetingology> +1 received from teward
[15:25] <sil2100> +1 good endorsements + I have worked with Paride during release weeks for both devel and stable series and I was always happy with his work, so I'm confident that he'll do good with upload rights as well
[15:25] <meetingology> +1 good endorsements + I have worked with Paride during release weeks for both devel and stable series and I was always happy with his work, so I'm confident that he'll do good with upload rights as well received from sil2100
[15:26] <rbasak> Of everyone here, that's all the non-colleague DMB members voted I think?
[15:26] <rafaeldtinoco> +1 (after all other votes). I would recommend more merges to paride so he can apply to coredev in a medium future
[15:26] <meetingology> +1 (after all other votes). I would recommend more merges to paride so he can apply to coredev in a medium future received from rafaeldtinoco
[15:26] <rbasak> So since they're all unanimous, I'll also provide a +1 to make quorum
[15:26] <rbasak> +1
[15:26] <meetingology> +1 received from rbasak
[15:26] <rafaeldtinoco> perfect
[15:26] <rafaeldtinoco> #endvote
[15:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: paride, Ubuntu Server Developer pkgset application
[15:26] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:27] <rafaeldtinoco> paride: congrats !
[15:27] <paride> yay!! thanks!
[15:27] <ddstreet> congratulations!
[15:27] <rafaeldtinoco> who can set him up ?
[15:27] <rafaeldtinoco> me ?
[15:27] <rafaeldtinoco> ok
[15:27] <paride> also thanks for the feedback on the SRU/merges work
[15:28] <rafaeldtinoco> #action rafaeldtinoco to add paride to serverdev and announce
[15:28] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to add paride to serverdev and announce
[15:28] <rafaeldtinoco> ok, we still have another application
[15:28] <rafaeldtinoco> Eickmeyer: ping
[15:28] <Eickmeyer> o/
[15:28]  * Eickmeyer here, sleepy as it's early morning
[15:28] <rafaeldtinoco> Eickmeyer: could you introduce your self to the crew ?
[15:28] <rafaeldtinoco> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Eickmeyer/MOTUApplication
[15:29] <Eickmeyer> rafaeldtinoco: Sure.
[15:30] <Eickmeyer> Hi everyone. I'm Erich Eickmeyer, leader of the Ubuntu Studio flavor, also member of the Ubuntu Community Council. I've been working with Ubuntu Studio since 2018 and became a council member in October, and was recently hired by MindShareManagement as their User Experience manager for the Kubuntu Focus line of laptops.
[15:30] <Eickmeyer> My background prior to involvement in Ubuntu was in Audio/Video production and photography as well as customer service.
[15:31] <Eickmeyer> My MOTU application is noted above, and my LP page is https://launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> thank you Eickmeyer !
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> I'll give others some mins so they can read your application.
[15:32] <rafaeldtinoco> DMB, please feel free to drop questions as needed.
[15:33] <teward> I've worked a lot with Erich so i'm going to step back and let the rest of the DMB drive the interview.
[15:33] <teward> (sorry i got a call from the CEO and had to take it - being the IT Security Guy at work is a... well, big thing xD)
[15:34] <rafaeldtinoco> teward: alright, good luck =) stay close
[15:34] <teward> yup
[15:34] <teward> (I'm work from home - i ain't going anywhere xD)
[15:37] <ddstreet> Eickmeyer it seems like most of your uploads are in the devel series, and not much SRU work, is that right?
[15:37] <Eickmeyer> ddstreet: Not completely correct. There are several uploads I've done for SRU work, as sil2100 could probably tell you. :)
[15:38] <Eickmeyer> With my UbuntuStudio packageset, I've even sponsored an SRU or two.
[15:40] <rafaeldtinoco> Eickmeyer: could you point me out a diff of one of your most challenging uploads ? (one you feel proud about)
[15:40] <Eickmeyer> rafaeldtinoco: Let me see what I can find.
[15:43] <Eickmeyer> rafaeldtinoco: Having difficulty, but there's one for rapid-photo-downloader that basically required an interim upload even though the upstream developer, who filed the SRU, wanted the complete next version which had too many new features to qualify for an SRU.
[15:43] <Eickmeyer> So we uploaded an interim version which fixed a crash in the application.
[15:44] <Eickmeyer> rafaeldtinoco: Here's the diff: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/rapid-photo-downloader_0.9.22-0ubuntu1_0.9.23a1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>.diff.gz
[15:44] <rafaeldtinoco> Eickmeyer: thank you!
[15:45] <rafaeldtinoco> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rapid-photo-downloader/+bug/1873944
[15:48] <sil2100> Eickmeyer: I see that your appliacation only has one endorsement - is there any reason for that?
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: Just lack of people available. I put the word out about two weeks ago.
[15:49] <rafaeldtinoco> EOY is not a good time for endorsements =).. anyway I could add there that I have ran pkgset changes script many times because of Eickmeyer
[15:50] <rafaeldtinoco> he has been adding packages to his seeds very actively lately
[15:51] <ddstreet> Eickmeyer follow up q on that bug, i see it was rejected at first, and then reuploaded and then approved, was there discussion between you and any of the sru members before you reuploaded? i dont see any discussion in the bug comments
[15:52] <Eickmeyer> ddstreet: Myself and bdmurray had some conversations in #ubuntu-release on how to proceed.
[15:52] <ddstreet> ok excellent thanks
[15:54] <Eickmeyer> I'll put this out there since it was only last week: I uploaded a fix to mate-optimus (a dgpu/igpu switching applet for all DEs) that had an incorrect call for KDE Plasma to logout which didn't allow for saving the current session. The fix was very easy.
[15:54] <Eickmeyer> It's in the ubuntustudio packageset since graphics performance is something Studio users can benefit from.
[15:55] <RikMills> sil2100: I would have done a full endorsement, but time was not my friend
[15:56] <sil2100> RikMills: thanks!
[15:56]  * sil2100 has no other questions
[15:56] <rbasak> Eickmeyer: have you had a package stuck in proposed before?
[15:57] <Eickmeyer> rbasak: agordejo got stuck recently due to a FTBFS for itself due to a FTBFS for nuitka, which has since resolved with a new version of nuitka. I currently have ubuntustudio-meta stuck due to needing riscv64 builds removed from it, pinged #ubuntu-release to have that resolved, will ping again today.
[16:00] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: are you good with questions ?
[16:00] <rafaeldtinoco> i know sil2100 is
[16:00] <ddstreet> yep no more q from me
[16:00] <rafaeldtinoco> ok
[16:00] <rafaeldtinoco> no more questions from me either
[16:00] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: let me know when you're good pls
[16:00] <rafaeldtinoco> (no rush, take your time)
[16:02]  * ddstreet quick coffee refill
[16:02] <teward> ddstreet: bring me some :P
[16:02]  * Eickmeyer notes that teward typically drinks coffee by the gallon
[16:02] <teward> Eickmeyer: 10-gallon drum now.
[16:02] <teward> (sorry for ot divergence)
[16:03] <Eickmeyer> Yikes. XD
[16:04]  * ddstreet back
[16:04] <rbasak> Eickmeyer: I see many -0ubuntu1 packages in Ubuntu
[16:04] <rbasak> Do you have any plans to integrate with Debian?
[16:05] <rbasak> What's the split between packages you maintain that are only in Ubuntu, and packages that have deltas against Debian?
[16:05] <Eickmeyer> rbasak: Some of that has happened organically (lsp-plugins, for instance, was taken upstream early last year), and I do watch the Debian mulitmedia lists frequently as part of that team.
[16:05] <rbasak> (I'm not saying that these are bad or good, just trying to understand)
[16:06] <Eickmeyer> The packages that have deltas against Debian are typically quick fixes or patches past Feature Freeze. When possible, I try to sync from Debian.
[16:07] <Eickmeyer> For example: for the mate-optimus delta, again, that was a quick fix that I've got an upstream PR in on, which will invalidate that patch I made for the Ubuntu version.
[16:08] <Eickmeyer> And while it's a pre-FF fix, development on mate-optimus is slow.
[16:09] <Eickmeyer> Most likely with Ross Gammon's help, I'll be able to do more with Debian.
[16:10] <rbasak> OK thanks
[16:10] <rbasak> I'm ready to vote
[16:10] <rafaeldtinoco> alright
[16:10] <rafaeldtinoco> thanks rbasak
[16:11] <rafaeldtinoco> #vote Eickmeyer MOTU motion
[16:11] <meetingology> Please vote on: Eickmeyer MOTU motion
[16:11] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[16:11] <rafaeldtinoco> #votesrequired 4
[16:11] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[16:13] <rbasak> +1
[16:13] <meetingology> +1 received from rbasak
[16:13] <rbasak> I'm mainly swayed by teward's endorsement, especially as he's your primary sponsor
[16:14] <sil2100> hm
[16:14] <rafaeldtinoco> +1 I know Eickmeyer from his requests and I feel his enthusiasm. My vote is to encourage him to keep pursuing the same with universe packages (specially helping guaranteeing quality in fixes).
[16:14] <meetingology> +1 I know Eickmeyer from his requests and I feel his enthusiasm. My vote is to encourage him to keep pursuing the same with universe packages (specially helping guaranteeing quality in fixes). received from rafaeldtinoco
[16:15] <rbasak> I would just ask please, Eickmeyer, that you continue to seek review if you're not sure about anything.
[16:15] <Eickmeyer> rbasak: Of course. :)
[16:15] <rbasak> That's partly from teward's endorsement too
[16:15] <rbasak> :)
[16:15] <rafaeldtinoco> yes! totally agree with what rbasak said
[16:15] <sil2100> +1 seeing that you have teward's and RikMills's endorsments, are very responsive whenever reached out to on IRC + your answers to questions, I think you will do fine as a MOTU
[16:15] <meetingology> +1 seeing that you have teward's and RikMills's endorsments, are very responsive whenever reached out to on IRC + your answers to questions, I think you will do fine as a MOTU received from sil2100
[16:15] <Eickmeyer> teward and I have had that discussion. :)
[16:15] <ddstreet> +1 the non-ubuntustudio uploads are a bit light and as teward said there are some small issues in them, but i'm leaning on teward's endorsement indicating that's getting better, and issues appearing to be minor; also I think his enthusiasm and cooperation is excellent, and non-packaging work seems to be good
[16:15] <meetingology> +1 the non-ubuntustudio uploads are a bit light and as teward said there are some small issues in them, but i'm leaning on teward's endorsement indicating that's getting better, and issues appearing to be minor; also I think his enthusiasm and cooperation is excellent, and non-packaging work seems to be good received from ddstreet
[16:16] <teward> +1 (my endorsement already covers this, my vote is in after we have reached quorum)
[16:16] <meetingology> +1 (my endorsement already covers this, my vote is in after we have reached quorum) received from teward
[16:16] <rafaeldtinoco> #endvote
[16:16] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Eickmeyer MOTU motion
[16:16] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[16:16] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:17] <rafaeldtinoco> Eickmeyer: congratulations!
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> Thanks everyone!
[16:17] <rafaeldtinoco> I'll do the paper work for him as well
[16:17] <ddstreet> congratulations!
[16:17] <rafaeldtinoco> #action paperwork for Eickmeyer's MOTU position
[16:17] <meetingology> ACTION: paperwork for Eickmeyer's MOTU position
[16:17] <rafaeldtinoco> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting
[16:18] <rafaeldtinoco> #action Robie, Teward, Dan, Lukasz, Rafael
[16:18] <meetingology> ACTION: Robie, Teward, Dan, Lukasz, Rafael
[16:18] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: congratulations :)
[16:18] <rafaeldtinoco> #topic Any other business
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> Thanks, RikMills! Now I can help you with KDE stuff as well!
[16:18] <rafaeldtinoco> anything else DMB ?
[16:18] <rafaeldtinoco> 3
[16:18] <rafaeldtinoco> 2
[16:18] <rafaeldtinoco> 1
[16:18] <rafaeldtinoco> #endmeeting
[16:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jan 11 16:18:58 2021 UTC.
[16:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-01-11-15.03.moin.txt
[16:19] <rafaeldtinoco> Eickmeyer: paride: congratulations to both
[16:19] <rafaeldtinoco> welcome to the community! =)
[16:19] <Eickmeyer> \o/
[16:19] <rafaeldtinoco> I'll update DMB agenda and follow with paper work this afternoon
[16:19] <ddstreet> thanks all o/
[16:19] <rafaeldtinoco> so it might take a few hours before you are promoted to the packagesets and groups
[16:19] <rafaeldtinoco> o/ have a good day/afternoon/evening all
[16:20] <sil2100> o/
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> o/
[16:21] <paride> o/