[00:28] <zetaphor> Hello everyone! In my attempt to get sound working, I ended up uninstalling the default sound slider app that was packaged with xubuntu 11.04. I'd like it back as it had a hover window for controller gmusicbrowser. Does anyone know the package name for this, and if it will also manage spotify?
[00:37] <knome> zetaphor, xfce4-mixer?
[00:37] <knome> zetaphor, or are you maybe talking about the indicator plugin?
[01:25] <zetaphor> @knome I thought it was the indicator plugin, but I have lost the volume control
[01:27] <zetaphor> No it's not the mixer. I was able to control gMusicBrowser with it, it's the default sound package with 11.04
[03:10] <uofm49426> if  sudo modprobe start a module how do i stop one
[10:18] <Arcaious> hello
[10:32] <paul_uk> hey all, i've got a lot of files in my trash that I don't have permissions to.  I've tried going into ~/.local/share/Trash/files but its coming up blank.  Is there a way of getting elevated privileges to remove these files or another directory? Thanks
[10:34] <TheSheep> paul_uk: type 'gksu thunar' in terminal
[10:35] <paul_uk> what does that do?
[10:35] <paul_uk> ok i had to run it again cos apparently it wasn't doing anything
[10:36] <paul_uk> ok this is weird, im still not showing any files in trash although in my Rubbish Bin, I am seeing 6GB.
[10:40] <jarnos> How do you enter grub menu in Natty? Display goes black soon after BIOS checks and no key seems to bring menu visible.
[10:42] <paul_uk> oh man, i had to go into the usb device find the trash location and then delete the files from there.  Thankfully the Rubbish Bin updated and it's now showing 0 items.
[10:43] <paul_uk> jarnos hold down shift right after your bios finishes and just before you boot
[10:43] <paul_uk> left shift
[10:43] <paul_uk> jarnos, nvida gfx card?
[10:48] <jarnos> paul_uk, yes
[10:48] <jarnos> paul_uk, why?
[10:49] <paul_uk> ok, me too.  What worked for me in the end after hours of troubleshooting.  Is to boot in safe mode gfx settings and then choose opensource 3d drivers because the default nvidia drivers kept on giving a blank screen.
[10:50] <paul_uk> the linux community is seriously screwing up by installing gfx operability.  For me F15 is a complete screw up and totally unstable, ubuntu wouldn't give me any 3d options and it was only until I chose xbuntu and show the 3d option that I selected that and I was actually working again.  This after using fedora since version 10 lol.  No problems ever.
[10:50] <jarnos> paul_uk, but I use nouveau driver; binary driver does not even work for my card in 11.04: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#Driver Versions
[10:51] <paul_uk> jarnos, did xubuntu fire up ok after the initial install?
[10:51] <jarnos> paul_uk, I think it was blank initially, too.
[10:52] <paul_uk> jarnos: but you choose to specifically install the nouveau driver?
[10:52] <jarnos> paul_uk, no, AFAIK it is the default for nVidia cards.
[10:53] <paul_uk> jarnos, no it wasn't for me.  For me the default was the nvidia accelerated graphics driver.
[10:53] <paul_uk> I had to choose the experimental 3d support for nvidia cards
[10:53] <paul_uk> then I had no issues so far..
[10:53] <jarnos> paul_uk, strange.
[10:54] <paul_uk> yes I wasted half a day trying the latest and beta drivers from nvidia site with ubuntu and couldn't get anything to work.
[10:54] <paul_uk> only xbuntu and 3d support drivers works
[10:55] <paul_uk> jarnos, this is what I have: http://i.imgur.com/2CKgH.png
[10:56] <paul_uk> as I say the first option was only available with ubuntu and xubuntu gives both drivers.
[11:00] <paul_uk> is there a way to hide .ext~ files? like .txt~ .php~ .whatever~
[11:02] <jarnos> paul_uk, AFAIK the default driver is neither shown in the Additional Drivers dialog. you can find the current driver in the output of command "sudo lshw"
[11:03] <paul_uk> jarnos: to be honest for me xubuntu is working and that's that.  I am too busy in a development project I need to get out the door to do any sort of troubleshooting :)
[11:04] <paul_uk> so all I'm doing is giving you my experience  of how I finally got linux to work with an up to date nvidia card.
[11:33] <LogicallyDashing> Ubuntu LTS is at version 10.04.3 while Xubuntu LTS is at version 10.04.2; is there any meaning to this? Is Xubuntu LTS less up to date?
[11:39] <paul_uk> probably
[12:26] <bittin> Somone wants a Mac LC?
[12:27] <Sysi> bittin: don't crosspam offtopic
[12:30] <Jcook_5xData> anyone know how to install ubuntu mixer in xubuntu? Xfce4 mixer is just not that good
[12:30] <Sysi> you propably want pavucontrol
[12:37] <Jcook_5xData> Sysi, yea I look at that now the right one. I am not sure if it there in 11.10 I think they combine it in the gnome-control-panel
[12:37] <Jcook_5xData> not *
[12:52] <charlie-tca> LogicallyDashing, paul_uk : If you update your system, it is up-to-date whether it is Ubuntu or Xubuntu. The cd is just an older image for Xubuntu, which means there will be more updates after installing.
[12:56] <paul_uk> charlie-tca, thanks captain obvious ;) another point is, whether or not someone cares about a 0.0.1 upgrade heh.  Any serious dev will tell you that it's an update you can do without.
[12:56] <paul_uk> if it is at all any sort of real update.  Or it could be mis-match in versions between repos, etc
[12:57] <charlie-tca> It is normal for LTS releases to have those image updates. Normally, Xubuntu will have .1 while Ubuntu will have .1, .2, .3, .4
[12:57] <paul_uk> well LogicallyDashing there you go
[12:57] <charlie-tca> However, It still is only a specific image in time, with updates in the cd instead of after the installation completes
[12:58] <paul_uk> anyway onto something more useful: is there a way to hide .ext~ files? like .txt~ .php~ .whatever~
[12:59] <TheSheep> no, the files that start with a . are hidden
[12:59] <paul_uk> TheSheep, .ext as in extensions and no starting with .
[12:59] <TheSheep> you can change your editor settings to append a period to the temporary files
[12:59] <TheSheep> no, you can't
[13:00] <paul_uk> that's a PITA.  so if I have say 100 files that I have edited I now have to also see 100 ~ files giving me lots of noise.
[13:00] <TheSheep> no if you have properly configured editor
[13:00] <paul_uk> I'm talking about the filemanager
[13:00] <TheSheep> it is a PITA to use an editor with broken config, agreed
[13:01] <paul_uk> When I do FileSystem > Directory > Files
[13:04] <paul_uk> oh nevermind, I'll just add this to my list of xubuntu gripes.
[13:04] <TheSheep> would be so much easier to just make your editor prefix backups with a period
[13:06] <paul_uk> TheSheep, unfortunately I don't see such option.
[13:06] <paul_uk> I'm currently using bluefish, but don't have the time to spend customising gedit.  I'll leave it for now.
[13:06] <paul_uk> Thanks anyways
[15:22] <xubuntu192> howdy
[15:23] <charlie-tca> !hi | xubuntu192
[15:23] <xubuntu192> i just installed xubuntu on my dell latitude, is there anyone here who can tell me how install the broadcom drivers for my wireless?
[15:25] <xubuntu192> or perhaps point me in the right direction
[15:26] <genii-around> !broadcom
[15:26] <xubuntu192> thank you much  :)
[15:27] <genii-around> xubuntu192: Is your card in that 43xx series?
[15:28] <xubuntu192> yeah....i had this trouble before
[15:29] <genii-around> Ah, right page then.
[15:29] <xubuntu192> thanks again
[15:31] <genii-around> np
[16:22] <rafa_pezzuto> hi
[16:54] <yeik> Where would i post a suggestion on workspaces?
[17:04] <Pici> !brainstorm | yeik perhaps
[17:35] <xunubi> Could some kind soul explain to me what changes have been made regarding sound drivers / mixer gui between ubuntu + xubuntu ? :) just switched to xubuntu and im getting a lot more sound devices listed than I had on gnome, and when I try to increase volume for my mic, it plays out of my speakers lol.
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu uses gnome and it's applications, Xubuntu does not
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu uses Xfce and it's applications
[17:38] <xunubi> Yeah, I guess what I meant to ask was, is it possible to use the gnome default sound application within XFCE, the one that comes built in with xubuntu seems to be conflicting with my sound hardware.
[17:38] <charlie-tca> sure, you can just install it, but I don't know what the names are that gnome uses
[17:39] <charlie-tca> You can remove xfce4-mixer and install the mixer from gnome
[17:39] <gtludwig> hello all
[17:40] <charlie-tca> !hi | gtludwig
[17:40] <xunubi> Thanks :) usually I'd persevere and fiddle till it works but I've got incoming calls left right and centre on skype and can't talk lol
[17:40] <gtludwig> thx, charlie-tca !
[17:41] <gtludwig> quick question, how can I set font resolution for xubuntu?
[17:41] <Sysi> settings → appearance → fonts
[17:43] <gtludwig> Sysi, I try a "xdpyinfo | grep resolution"
[17:43] <gtludwig> and it returns resolution: 79 x 113 dors per inch
[17:44] <gtludwig> it looks strange
[17:45] <takumi> Hello everybody
[17:48] <takumi> Is someone can help me please?
[17:48] <xunubi> Gah, my mic plays through my speakers! Anyone with experience who might suggest where I'm going wrong? :)
[17:49] <Sysi> takumi: somebody may ansver if you ask a question
[17:49] <takumi> ok thank you Sysi
[17:50] <takumi> in fact i am not new on linux OS but i'm totaly new on xubuntu
[17:50] <takumi> and i have some little problem with it
[17:51] <takumi> Oh a precesion, i'm using Xubuntu 11.04
[17:51] <takumi> So my first question is : Is it possible to change the Icon of a folder? or a video?
[17:51] <Sysi> (told'ya to ask a question)
[17:52] <Sysi> not easily at least
[17:52] <takumi> oh sad :(
[17:53] <takumi> it is look more hard than the other OS to personalize
[17:54] <takumi> 2) Is it possible to have overview of Picture or Video (I'm not sure my english is good for you understanding)
[17:54] <Sysi> well, you can change icon themes easily, download one and extract to ~/.icons
[17:54] <TheSheep> it's easy to use a different icon theme, and there are hundreds of different icon themes
[17:54] <TheSheep> making an icon theme takes a little learning, but it's not extremely hard
[17:55] <takumi> Yes but i dont talk about icon theme, i just want to change 1 icon
[17:55] <takumi> as exemple, i create new folder "work" and i put a personal icon only for this folder
[17:55] <TheSheep> takumi: yes, thunar (the file manager) makes thumbnails of pictures, videos, pdf files and such
[17:55] <takumi> Ok thank you thesheep!
[17:55] <TheSheep> takumi: you can put an emblem on a folder
[17:55] <takumi> Yes i saw the emblem, but they are not really an icon
[17:55] <TheSheep> takumi: it will have the same icon as other folders, but it will have an additional icon on it
[17:56] <takumi> but to have an other icon of the older folder, it is not possible?
[17:56] <TheSheep> takumi: not for just one directory, no
[17:56] <takumi> ok
[17:57] <takumi> hmmm and my last question was about the hide folder
[17:57] <takumi> in gnome, it just need to add a . before the name, and the shortcut is Ctrl+H
[17:57] <TheSheep> all files and directories that have their names staring with "." are hidden in linux
[17:57] <takumi> but on xubuntu, it is doesnt work
[17:57] <TheSheep> that's a general thing in linux
[17:57] <TheSheep> it does work
[17:57] <takumi> ah? i will try again
[17:58] <takumi> pfff oh yes you are true! sorry
[17:59] <TheSheep> by the way, you can make a shortcut to a directory, and change the icon of that shortcut
[17:59] <TheSheep> if you for example want to have fancy icons on the desktop
[18:00] <takumi> oh yes good idea, thank you ;)
[18:00] <takumi> i will try personalize it
[18:00] <takumi> i'm on xubuntu because i really hate unity
[18:00] <TheSheep> we get a lot of users like that recently
[18:00] <takumi> so i keep gnome 2, but i would like try xfce now for change and learn more
[18:01] <takumi> yes i think canonical made a bad thing with unity
[18:01] <xunubi> xfce is much nicer, apart from some confusing differences with my sound driver, so doesn't look like im gonna be able to keep it :|
[18:01] <takumi> it is maybe cute but very not usefull
[18:01] <takumi> Sorry for your problem, wish you can correct it but as i'm newbee i can't help you now :(
[18:03] <takumi> TheSheep, for the overview, it is not possible to have it naturaly on desktop as exemple, without pass by thunar?
[18:03] <TheSheep> xunubi: did you try installing pavucontrol and padevchooser?
[18:03] <TheSheep> takumi: desktop is displayed by thunar now too, so it should work fine
[18:03] <xunubi> TheSheep: Nope, I'm totally clueless when it comes to Linux and sound :) will have a look now, thanks
[18:03] <TheSheep> xunubi: they give you even more options to confuse you ;)
[18:04] <TheSheep> xunubi: but at least you can see what is happening with them
[18:04] <TheSheep> xunubi: I still didn't find a way to stop the mike being heard in the speakers, other than muting the mike
[18:05] <xunubi> TheSheep:  My problem is already too many options, the last thing I need is more lol.  on a clean ubuntu install, if I go to sound mixer, I just get a nice standard window with Master, Mic, etc ...from a clean xubuntu install I have 7 different devices listed, each containing an insane amount of things such as Surround, PCM, LFE, CAPTURE x3
[18:06] <takumi> TheSheep, i didn't have overview of a picture in my desktop (i have just icon BMP) but i have overview in the folders you contain the picture. For the videos, i don't have overview in the folders and on the desktop (but it is not a problem of driver because i can play the video normaly)
[18:06] <xunubi> But I can't locate the driver / difference between installs so I can revert, so I think I will just install Ubuntu and then install XFCE and set it to default, hopefully this will address it.
[18:07] <TheSheep> xunubi: I feel your pain, unfortunately the linux sound ecosystem is very complicated, and xfce is made to work with most of the elements available out there, so one can mix and match them -- unlike gnome, which just make a choice and simplified everything
[18:07] <TheSheep> xunubi: both approaches have their up and down sides, obviously, but xfce's way is much more confusing
[18:08] <TheSheep> takumi: which version of xubuntu is it?
[18:09] <takumi> It is the last one 11.04
[18:09] <xunubi> TheSheep: Yeah I agree totally, XFCE has a nicer feel to it, but the definition of "desktop environment" seems to be getting quite cloudy compared to when I first tried linux 4 or 5 years ago, and xfce seems to be using a lot more gnome dependencies now, hard to draw the line between what is what lol
[18:10] <TheSheep> xunubi: gnome is getting less open day by day and more monolithic, it's hard to pull only some parts from it
[18:10] <TheSheep> xunubi: plus, we still need to use the ubuntu base, which sometimes forces some innovations of their own
[18:11] <TheSheep> xunubi: dropping gdm should help a little in the near future
[18:11] <xunubi> TheSheep: Yeah I really don't want to go back to Gnome if I can help it, but I have zero knowledge about how sound works on linux, I have tried reading up on it but it's just messy and confusing.  And I need to be able to use my mic, lots of skype calls etc, doesn't work when it's playing out of my speakers lol
[18:12] <TheSheep> takumi: do you get the thumbnails if you open the Desktop directory with thunar?
[18:12] <TheSheep> xunubi: it's 20 years of complete chaos :)
[18:12] <takumi> TheSheep, yes if i open thunar, i can see pictures thumbnails but not video
[18:13] <TheSheep> takumi: you need to have ffmpegthumbnailer installed to have video thumbnails
[18:14] <TheSheep> takumi: make sure you have it
[18:14] <xunubi> Back laters gonna try installing ubuntu and xfce, I get the feeling it's a change in the distros not the window manager itself (fingers crossed as that means i can still use xfce)
[18:14] <takumi> Ok thank you TheSheep i will check it :)
[18:16] <takumi> You was true again TheSheep, i didn't had ffmpegthumbnailer!
[18:17] <takumi> i will reboot to check if it is ok now and reconnect here to tell you
[18:19] <TheSheep> that was quick
[18:19] <takumi> TheSheep, i'm back
[18:20] <takumi> yes quick :)
[18:20] <takumi> but the result is the same :(
[18:20] <TheSheep> that is strange
[18:20] <TheSheep> it works for me
[18:20] <takumi> yes it is strange
[18:20] <takumi> you did't install other things?
[18:21] <TheSheep> hmm, I have tumbler-plugins-extra
[18:21] <TheSheep> and libffmpegthumbnailer4
[18:22] <takumi> I can try install it
[18:23] <takumi> I reboot again
[18:25] <TheSheep> I just wanted to say that you don't need to reboot or relogin for it to work
[18:25] <takumi> Ah ok TheSheep
[18:26] <takumi> so now it is working in thunar, working on the folders too
[18:26] <nick_m> Hello all! I need some help. Briefly: my notebook hangs on hibernation. OS: xubuntu 11.04. Notebook: emachines d620.
[18:26] <takumi> but not working on the desktop
[18:26] <TheSheep> takumi: yeah, I'm not sure why, to be honest I never have any icons on my desktop, so I never checked
[18:27] <takumi> Yes it is not a big deal because i have few icon on my desktop normaly, i keep place for wallpaper or conky
[18:27] <takumi> TheSheep, thank you for your help ;)
[18:28] <TheSheep> takumi: you may want to ask at #thunar about the thumbnails on the desktop
[18:28] <takumi> ah ok thanks :) i will ask here!
[18:29] <takumi> TheSheep : i will go now, have good day and thank you again!
[18:29] <manuelisimo> hello, does anyone knows if there is a tool in xubuntu to easily change keyboard layouts (I want to switch back and forth between english and spanish)
[18:29] <TheSheep> manuelisimo: there is a command for it, and you can bind it to a keyboard shortcut
[18:30] <manuelisimo> is that setxkbmap?
[18:30] <manuelisimo> how do I go about binding a command to a keyboard shortcut?
[18:30] <TheSheep> yes
[18:30] <TheSheep> you go to the
[18:30] <TheSheep> keyboard settings
[18:31] <TheSheep> applications -> settings -> keyboard -> application shortcuts
[18:31] <TheSheep> manuelisimo: then you click on 'add', type the command you want, press ok, and then it will ask you to press the key combination for it
[18:32] <manuelisimo> found it
[18:32] <manuelisimo> thanks a lot!
[18:32] <nick_m> manuelisimo: my solution is (1) to install xfce4-goodies (particularly, the keyboard plugin), and specify switching keyboard by CapsLock (you may choose favorite shortcut)
[18:32] <nick_m> the plugin should be added to the panel.
[18:36] <nick_m> by the way, the standard config manager (apps->settings...) doesn't provide this feature for me. Russian locale? I had to install goodies.
[18:42] <nick_m> sorry TheSheep for my interruption... I've come to ask, not to answer... just had same trouble and solved it
[18:46] <manuelisimo> thank you both, I installed xfce4-goodies just because I couldn't figure out a good way to toggle layouts with setexkbmap and didn't want to set up two different keyboard shortcuts
[18:46] <manuelisimo> but know that I know where to put keyboard shortcuts I will use it more often
[18:46] <manuelisimo> thanks
[18:46] <TheSheep> nick_m: it's very good that you are answering!
[18:46] <TheSheep> nick_m: and it's natural thing to do
[18:48] <TheSheep> nick_m: but unfortunately I don't know the answer to you problem, you might want to search the forums for your notebook
[18:49] <nick_m> I googled over all the internet, and there are too many DIFFERENT solutions
[18:51] <nick_m> some of them patch older distros, some tell to install and configure alternative suspenders (uswsusp, for instance).
[18:52] <nick_m> I think, there some trouble with acpi - but I don't know how to read and interpret logs of pm-hibernate.
[18:53] <nick_m> mainly, people ask "oh shi, my pc hangs/doesn't wake/doesn't sleep", and the answer - use uswsusp, or - add a script to pm-..., - oh dear, it works, thanks!
[18:53] <nick_m> nothing about the *reasons* of the problem.
[18:55] <charlie-tca> The reason usually has to do with something the hardware manufacturer did that made it not work correctly.
[18:55] <charlie-tca> The fixes are ways of correcting that, and each one is a little bit different
[18:57] <nick_m> I agree - so I looked for acer's and emachines'. But there are same pattern of help. Well, I'm ready to install uswsusp, but... is it good idea to have 2 hibernators on single machine?
[18:58] <charlie-tca> it doesn't hurt anything, as far as I know
[18:58] <nick_m> can I roll it back next time?
[18:59] <charlie-tca> I don't understand that?
[19:01] <nick_m> as I see (tested on a virtualbox), uswsusp injects or replaces out-of-box power manager, letting the user invoke it via menus, not only from terminal. So, when I deinstall uswsusp, will the power manager come back?
[19:02] <nick_m> my girl will kill me if I make her laptop not working (now it is just not sleeping :) )
[19:04] <nick_m> another strange effect that I saw on a virtualbox: using pm- it thaws instantly, and using uswsusp it runs grub first (and I had to configure grub to resume from my swap disk)
[19:04] <charlie-tca> if it doesn't, just install xfce4-power-manager
[19:05] <takumi> TheSheep, can i ask you ultimate thing?
[19:07] <nick_m> charlie-tca, could you please remember me, how to reinstall already installed package? sudo apt-get WHAT xfce4-power-manager?
[19:08] <charlie-tca> sure "sudo apt-get install xfce4-power-manager" without the quotes
[19:09] <nick_m> just install? obviously. though, it doesn't reconfiigure it.
[19:10] <charlie-tca> just install. If you never delete the .config files, it should pick it up again
[19:11] <takumi> Hello, is someone know how i can put a shortcurt for open my harddisk partitions, or USB key in the userbar?
[19:12] <nick_m> thanks charlie-tca, I'm going to hibernate with uswsusp...
[19:12] <charlie-tca> good luck
[19:17] <xubuntu515> Estou instalando o xubuntu, pois o gnome, unity me cansaram.
[19:18] <nick_m> bad luck. Still hangs.
[19:18] <charlie-tca> xubuntu515: English, please?
[19:19] <Unit193> It's Galician
[19:19] <xubuntu515> I am not english, portuguese
[19:20] <xubuntu515> good by people
[19:22] <Pici> !pt
[19:22] <Pici> oops
[19:23] <Unit193> Worth a shot... What he said "translated" for me as Galician :P
[19:23] <charlie-tca> me too
[20:55] <derrichter> hi all is there anyone?
[20:56] <derrichter> hell i can't make audio work :\
[22:24] <larre> hi all
[22:28] <larre> Guess noone is alive right nowm but just shout when you're available to help, if I'm here I'll notice it :P
[22:29] <charlie-tca> Help is always easier when a question has been asked. Please ask your question and if anyone knows the answer, they can respond
[22:29] <larre> Good idea
[22:30] <larre> I have tried to install Xubuntu on an old laptop I've got, Dell Inspirion 1100, but it always halts. Perhaps it's just too old?
[22:30] <charlie-tca> How much ram does it have?
[22:31] <larre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
[22:31] <larre> ops
[22:31] <larre> sorry
[22:31] <larre> copy didnt work right
[22:32] <larre> 384 MB (SDRAM)
[22:32] <larre> there we go
[22:32] <charlie-tca> That should be enough. Does the live session work?
[22:33] <larre> You mean start xubutu from cd?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> If you put the desktop cd in, and boot, you have a choice to try Xubuntu before installing or Install now
[22:34] <charlie-tca> If you try, does it get to the desktop?
[22:34] <larre> ah yes, havent tried, will do now
[22:35] <charlie-tca> If it won't go to the desktop, the installs will fail
[22:35] <charlie-tca> If it does, I would suggest using the alternate cd to install, since the ram is low.
[22:35] <larre> it's still a black screen but it is still working
[22:36] <charlie-tca> It will take a few minutes
[22:36] <larre> alternate cd is a command promt install right?
[22:36] <charlie-tca> well, no, it is a non-gui installer, but it is not command prompt
[22:37] <larre> okay, but is it still easy to install?
[22:37] <charlie-tca> You can not use a mouse with it, but it is very easy
[22:37] <larre> okay. as long as mouse works when installation is done
[22:38] <charlie-tca> yup, it should
[22:38] <larre> yes live desktop works!
[22:38] <charlie-tca> everything is the same after the installation finishes
[22:38] <charlie-tca> so, where is the install failing?
[22:39] <larre> hmm wait
[22:39] <larre> seem computer restarted before desktop was fully loaded
[22:40] <larre> oh wait
[22:40] <charlie-tca> that's usually not a good sign
[22:40] <larre> it seems to work
[22:40] <larre> but i got a login screen
[22:40] <charlie-tca> Maybe the install is just very slow
[22:41] <larre> what to login with, guest?
[22:41] <charlie-tca> ubuntu
[22:41] <larre> oh
[22:41] <charlie-tca> password is blank, just hit enter
[22:41] <charlie-tca> session should be Xubuntu
[22:44] <larre> yes it logs in
[22:44] <larre> working hard
[22:44] <larre> old computer
[22:44] <larre> I did want xubuntu as windows works damn too slow on it :P
[22:45] <larre> Still a newbie with linux
[22:45] <larre> after thinking for a while i got back to login screen
[22:47] <larre> google has revealed for me that there has been many issues with this laptop
[22:48] <larre> again just back to login screen
[23:00] <larre> Well, forget that for now, I have another issue on another computer
[23:00] <larre> I have installed xubuntu 64-bit on my stationary amd computer with windows 7 using virtualbox. I cant set higher resolution than 1024x768
[23:01] <larre> welcome back charlie-tca
[23:02] <charlie-tca> What a deal
[23:03] <larre> ?
[23:03] <charlie-tca> Did you see the part about lubuntu?
[23:03] <larre> stupid net split
[23:03] <charlie-tca> It's a netsplit
[23:03] <larre> lubuntu? never heard  of it
[23:03] <charlie-tca> That's where I went, too
[23:03] <larre> i know ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu
[23:03] <charlie-tca> If Xubuntu doesn't install, you can always try Lubuntu, which is a version of Ubuntu made for the old and slow machines
[23:04] <charlie-tca> !lubuntu
[23:04] <larre> anyway logging in doesnt work, after a while of thinking I get back to login screen
[23:04] <charlie-tca> It sometimes is better for older machines than Xubuntu
[23:04] <larre> session says other I think
[23:04] <larre> oh
[23:04] <larre> I will tru
[23:05] <charlie-tca> If you can't login, I think the install will fail, too
[23:05] <larre> but I have another issue as well
[23:06] <charlie-tca> oh? other issue?
[23:06] <larre> I have installed xubuntu 64-bit on my stationary amd computer with windows 7 using virtualbox. I cant set higher resolution than 1024x768
[23:06] <larre> thats where i caht now
[23:06] <larre> chat
[23:06] <charlie-tca> oh
[23:06] <charlie-tca> Did you install the hardware driver?
[23:06] <larre> I think it was among updates
[23:07] <charlie-tca> look in menu -> Settings -> additional drivers or menu -> System -> Additional drivers
[23:07] <larre> says no drivers is used by the system
[23:08] <larre> Haha I try to translate your instruction, I use swdish language
[23:08] <charlie-tca> heh, that's always fun, too
[23:08] <larre> so where can i find drivers?
[23:09] <larre> I edit xorg.conf according to some instructions on a forum but to no use
[23:10] <charlie-tca> no drivers needed, but this usually helps with it -
[23:10] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[23:11] <larre> Wonder why I try to solve computer problems now, its over 1AM in Sweden haha
[23:11] <larre> ah some terminal commands
[23:11] <larre> will try
[23:12] <charlie-tca> I have to go feed the baby here. Be back in a while
[23:12] <larre> okay
[23:16] <larre> well xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 --rate 60 dint change anything, just got a liste of xrandr user commands
[23:18] <burner> anyone know why my network manager tray icon is showing a funny icon that looks like a polaroid photo with a red no smoking type symbol in the middle
[23:34] <larre> Well, I will try to sleep now. Will continue this late
[23:34] <larre> later


[07:45] <inetpro> good morning
[07:45] <inetpro> oh and Happy Birthday superfly!!
[07:45] <paddatrapper> morning inetpro
[07:45] <paddatrapper> happy birthday superfly!
[10:13] <bushtech_> can somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong here: ubuntuserver# modprobe 4.4.0-83-generic
[10:13] <bushtech_> modprobe: FATAL: Module 4.4.0-83-generic not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-83-generic
[15:26] <superfly> thanks inetpro, paddatrapper
[15:26] <superfly> bushtech_: you're doing a modprobe on a kernel version not a kernel module
[15:28] <bushtech_> thanks superfly. I obvously have no idea what I 'm doing lol
[15:28] <superfly> bushtech_: well, what are you trying to do?
[15:29] <bushtech_> reinstall that 4.4.0-83-generic whatchamacallit
[15:32] <bushtech_> I was following some instruction on internet to try and fix wifi and think it blaclisted something as wifi now not even visible in network manager
[15:34] <bushtech_> superfly: oh and btw Happy Birthday I see
[15:37] <superfly> thanks.
[15:37] <superfly> so 4.4.0-83-generic is a kernel version. if you're looking to fix a driver (aka kernel module), then you need to know what the kernel module name is
[15:39] <bushtech_> lsmod?
[15:40] <bushtech_> iwlwifi?
[15:42] <bushtech_> hmmm. modprobe iwlwifi didn't fix it
[15:47] <bushtech_> this is what I tried that ended up breaking it: https://github.com/pvaret/rtl8192cu-fixes
[15:50] <bushtech_> Eish! wish I hadn't missed this:Devices that use dual antennas are known not to work well. This appears to be an issue in the upstream Realtek driver.
[16:27] <paddatrapper> bushtech_: what wifi adaptors is it? (model number)
[16:30] <bushtech_> paddatrapper: not sure how to anser that: RTL 8192CE  ?
[16:31] <paddatrapper> bushtech_: that looks like a model number. Have you tried the non-free realtek drivers?
[16:31]  * paddatrapper will be back around 9
[16:31] <paddatrapper> And will be able to get the exact package name then
[16:31] <bushtech_> paddatrapper: it used to work and the just stopped one day
[16:33] <paddatrapper> Hmm... Ok that's odd
[18:42] <andrewlsd> Happ birthday superfly
[18:45] <superfly> thanks andrewlsd!
[20:19] <bushtech_> paddatrapper:  lshw -C network
[20:19] <bushtech_>   *-network UNCLAIMED
[20:19] <bushtech_> product: RTL8192CE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter


[04:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7dfb739dbd2d: make capitilization match screen] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7dfb739dbd2d
 Are there any Python tasks that don't involve qt and gtk? Just asking because I'm still hit a wall with the porting attempt for redshift and kind of would rather just package something easy to at least get one package in.
[16:53] <wxl> @tsimonq2 your flight over yet?
 his flight wil never be over.  *laughs evilly*
[16:59] <wxl> @tsimonq2: when i can get more than two seconds of your undivided time, please ping me :/
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: when i can get more than two seconds of your undivided time, pl …], I have about 15 mins free right now, and then anytime after 7:30 Central tonight
 Busy busy times
 So hi
 @tsimonq2 [Busy busy times], that's what she said.
 *shot*
[17:10] <wxl> @tsimonq2: do you have any time before then at any point?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: do you have any time before then at any point?], What's up?
 /command !ask
 XD
[17:10] <wxl> i did.
 What can I help you with?
[17:11] <wxl> oh, that. i already asked that, too.
 Wat?
 Let me put this more bluntly... Whatchu want? 😆
[17:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2b54dea59185: clarify where to mute] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2b54dea59185
[17:59] <wxl> @tsimonq2: first, there's the question of lubuntu-default-settings not building. first time i build it, i have no problem. then i have it if and only if i build it a second time. issue relates to some po file in xsessions not existing, which is a wtf. hoping for clues/suggestions.
 Check debian/rules or try and find how we build translations
[18:00] <wxl> but why does it not happen the first time?
[18:00] <wxl> and why has this never happened before?
[18:01] <wxl> rules is about as barebones as it can be
 Again, something with translations. I would try a build on Disco in a PPA. If that works, it's an underlying tooling change. If it doesn't work, then we're missing something.
[18:02] <wxl> but again, i can reproduce the problem.. but only if i build it twice
[18:05] <wxl> @tsimonq2: next: "Breaks: lubuntu-default-session (<< 1.0)," emits "package-relation-with-self." is that really what we want?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: next: "Breaks: lubuntu-default-session (<< 1.0)," emits "packag …], yes
 @wxl [<wxl> but again, i can reproduce the problem.. but only if i build it twice], O_o
[18:10] <wxl> @tsimonq2: and a new one: calamares emits "unknown-field-in-dsc" for "Debian-Vcs-{Git,Browser}" which we don't have in our control though we do have "XS-Debian-Vcs-"
[18:12] <wxl> @tsimonq2: and if we do want these, why aren't we overriding them? we're only bothering to override fatal tags and not warnings?
 unknown-field-in-dsc is an upstream Lintian bug
 Yes, warnings are "shoulds" (RFC 2119)
[18:16] <wxl> from the guy that considers pedantic a default, i'm shocked
 pedantic is a default
[18:16] <wxl> i would think overrides for the purposes of documentation might make sense
 Lintian is scary though
 It threatened to cut me ._.
[18:38] <wxl> @tsimonq2: would you be against an override, at least on the self-reference, for the purposes of documenting the strangeness?
[18:39] <wxl> @tsimonq2: next: why is spice-vdagent a dependency of lubuntu-desktop?
[18:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL99f36c2efe95: Add name and options in print dialog] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL99f36c2efe95
 is featherpad supposed to not highlight text with the print dialog open
[18:45] <wxl> weird
[18:45] <wxl> that doesn't sound like a feature
 it comes back when closed
[18:46] <wxl> sounds like you got a bug to file
 @wxl [<wxl> from the guy that considers pedantic a default, i'm shocked], Some pedantic errors are more urgent than warnings sometimes
 @wxl [<wxl> i would think overrides for the purposes of documentation might make sense], It's a good idea
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: would you be against an override, at least on the self-referenc …], Not at all
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: next: why is spice-vdagent a dependency of lubuntu-desktop?], I have no clue, that's from the gilir days I think
 @wxl [<wxl> sounds like you got a bug to file], ^
[18:47] <wxl> @tsimonq2: it's not in our seed. how do we get rid of it?
 See how it's getting pulled in
 rdepends, wxl.
 rdepends.
 check em.
 :P
[18:48] <wxl> it's a direct dependency
[18:48] <wxl> it's not in xenial
[18:48] <wxl> or bionic
[18:48] <wxl> it shows up in cosmic
 just going to include this because i think it seems it's part of EVERY image...
 ```spice-vdagent … Reverse Depends: …   ubuntu-desktop …   xubuntu-desktop …   xubuntu-core …   vanilla-gnome-desktop …   ubuntustudio-desktop-core …   ubuntustudio-desktop …   ubuntukylin-desktop …   ubuntu-mate-desktop …   ubuntu-mate-core …   ubuntu-budgie-desktop …   lubuntu-desktop …   kubuntu-desktop …   ubuntu-desktop-minimal
 (from `apt-cache rdepends spice-vdagent` in Eoan)
[18:53] <wxl> wtf whyyyyy
 i believe you should ask the release team :3
[18:54] <wxl> why isn't server in there?
 maybe it's just something desktop needed?
 EICKMEYER I KNOW YOU ARE ALIVE
 ^ explain this ffor Studio and Xubuntu.
 @Eickmeyer
[18:59] <apt-ghetto> man 1 spice-vdagent => spice-vdagent  gets automatically started in desktop environments which honor /etc/xdg/autostart
 I’ll have to look into this.
 Is this so that it works in virt manager and stuff
[19:00] <wxl> and in other news we have a geoclue demo agent autostarting because of network-manager-gnome but also because lxqt depends on gdm3
[19:01] <wxl> apt-ghetto: i gather that, but the issue is not about the autostart, so much as why it's there at all
 https://launchpadlibrarian.net/429062518/print_no_highlighting.png
[19:01] <lynorian> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/featherpad/+bug/1833118
[19:06] <wxl> i guess we can blacklist them in the seeds
[19:06] <wxl> @tsimonq2: won't that work if there's some global addition?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: won't that work if there's some global addition?], It will, yeah
 I'd say email ubuntu-devel though
[19:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALec160936c238: Add more printer options to featherpad] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALec160936c238
[19:19]  * Eickmeyer throws a hot, hard coffee mug at teward
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> I'm having trouble seeing what the problem is with spice-vdagent.
[19:19] <wxl> don't want it there
[19:19] <teward> *shielded* ERR: DMB Meeting
[19:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf6cc9e04838d: Add specific pages to print in featherpad] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf6cc9e04838d
[19:47] <wxl> tsimonq2: (k3b, quassel, trojita) -> qtwebkit -> qtpositioning -> (recommends) geoclue. now how to get rid of it?
 Actually, geoclue would be a good thing to have.
 I was at SELF and someone recommended we use it for the system panel clock
 If we add redshift we will need it for that too.
[19:48] <wxl> it seems to run a "demo geoclue agent"
[19:49] <wxl> let me get this straight..... it autostarts a demo???????????
[19:55]  * Eickmeyer throws packages and an IV drip of coffee at teward for his SUCCESSFUL CORE-DEV APPLICAITON!!!!
[19:55] <teward> hah, thanks Eickmeyer
[19:55] <teward> I'll just take the coffee for now
[19:55] <teward> E:ACLNotUpdated
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> hehe
[19:55] <wxl> congrats
[19:56] <teward> thanks wxl :)
 That is awesome teward!
 ^.^ I know!  :D
 Congrats to you!
 thank you.
 congrats @teward001 !!!
 thanks @HMollerCl :)
 You're indirectly a Lubuntu Developer now ;)
 @teward001 Congratulations :)
 @tsimonq2 heh good point xD
 @acheronuk thanks!
[22:25] <guiverc2> Congratulations teward on Ubuntu Core dev accreditation.
[22:41] <Eickmeyer> wxl, @HMollerCl: I sense a troll.
[22:42] <wxl> i think they have consistently shown themselves to be legitimately interested, Eickmeyer but i might be wrong


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[00:31] <jbicha> but desrt, it's only Tuesday!
[00:32] <jbicha> howdy!
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[01:02] <sladen> :)
[16:19] <mpt> I'd rather present opt-in for early (unphased?) updates together with the opt-in for other software channels
[16:19] <mpt> That I'm happy to submit usage data doesn't mean I want to be on the bleeding edge
[16:23] <mpt> It may be true that fewer people go into those channel settings, but that doesn't matter anyway, right?
[16:23] <mpt> We don't want huge numbers of people choosing unphased updates
[16:29] <cjwatson> mpt: I agree that we wouldn't want lots of people choosing unphased updates; I was thinking more of encouraging people to opt into phased updates
[16:29] <cjwatson> i.e. opt into seeing bugs earlier for us
[16:29] <j-johan-edwards> (ignorant) does apt have reasonable rollback capabilities? If not, doesn't this sort of thing need to wait until Btrfs or some other snapshotting/restore functionality lands?
[16:29] <cjwatson> j-johan-edwards: we were discussing that earlier; in practice, it will be OK for most post-release cases
[16:29] <mpt> cjwatson, why would it not be on by default?
[16:29] <j-johan-edwards> ah
[16:30] <cjwatson> j-johan-edwards: it goes wrong in cases where people write maintainer scripts incautiously, but that tends to be for major changes the like of which we don't usually have post-release
[16:30] <mpt> (Maybe you covered this earlier in the session, sorry if so)
[16:31] <cjwatson> mpt: good question; perhaps I have an unwarranted assumption
[16:31] <cjwatson> I suppose it depends whether you think of the starting point as 0% (in which case we're asking people to see more bugs than they might otherwise) or 100% (in which case we're allowing people to have a lower probability of encountering bugs)
[16:32] <mpt> Maybe I'm contradicting myself too -- if it's on by default, then people aren't choosing to be on the bleeding edge as I mentioned above, they might be there already
[16:32] <cjwatson> The current state is 100%, everyone unphased
[16:32] <cjwatson> But we were talking about using this to phase -proposed
[16:32] <mpt> I see
[16:32] <cjwatson> Which would imply giving people updates earlier than currently, so that feels like something they might need to opt into?
[16:33] <mpt> fair enough
[16:33] <cjwatson> We could alternatively phase -updates; we'd been talking about doing that in a later stage of work (but not set in stone ...)
[16:34] <mpt> What proportion of machines are opted in to -proposed right now?
[16:34] <mpt> If it's only ~1%, then phasing that won't make much difference
[16:36] <j-johan-edwards> mpt: actually, a true random sample of 1% of Ubuntu users would absolutely be good enough for canarying
[16:36] <j-johan-edwards> for the same reason political polls don't have to poll more than 1% of the country to get an accurate result
[16:36] <j-johan-edwards> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size
[16:37] <mpt> j-johan-edwards, sure, but my point is that if you already have only ~1% opted in to proposed, phasing that won't dramatically reduce the proportion of people who get exposed to bad updates.
[16:38] <mpt> Whereas if you have ~95% opted in (because it's on by default), phasing that *will* dramatically reduce the proportion of people who get exposed to bad updates.
[16:38] <cjwatson> I was hoping that we could expose this to more than the set of people currently opted into -proposed
[16:38] <cjwatson> I'm not sure I'm opposed to on-by-default
[16:39] <j-johan-edwards> But ostensibly, people opting in to -proposed would be more able to handle difficulties / be more passionate about Ubuntu
[16:39] <cjwatson> We could do the phasing only at the point when we would ordinarily have pushed to -updates
[16:39] <cjwatson> Rather than at the point when we have no idea whether it fixes the bug
[16:41] <mpt> So you'd effectively be phasing -updates rather than -proposed?
[16:43]  * mpt realizes that he doesn't know how to present this option anyway, wherever it goes
[16:43] <cjwatson> I'm not sure :-)
[16:43] <mpt> "Show non-urgent software updates: (*) Immediately  ( ) Eventually"
[16:43] <cjwatson> At the moment I'm more interested in making the phasing work at all
[16:43] <jbicha> lol :)
[16:44] <cjwatson> I agree the UI design needs to know this; the archive-side technology is pretty much the same whether it's -proposed or -updates
[16:45] <mpt> I wonder how well the up-to-a-week wait, for Update Manager to show non-security updates, effectively phases them already
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[16:51] <mpt> The up-to-a-week wait isn't for phasing purposes, it's to save Update Manager from interrupting people every day for non-urgent things.
[16:51] <mpt> So I'd really rather not get rid of it.
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[16:57] <mpt> thanks everyone
[17:07] <Riddell> hi?
[17:09] <txwikinger> hi Riddell
[17:09] <txwikinger> I need to find the ice stream .. one moment
[17:15] <txwikinger> ok.. I am listening now
[17:16] <Riddell> txwikinger: there's only two of us here!
[17:16] <txwikinger> Is wayland already good enough to go?
[17:18] <txwikinger> So it is only for development now as a package?
[17:28]  * txwikinger has a google drive
[17:29] <txwikinger> English
[17:31] <txwikinger> I have used language packs before, so I can certainly test when needed
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[17:49] <shadeslayer> hah
[17:49] <txwikinger> foreign languages? When do you start to talk Gaellic to us Riddel?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Steve Jobs is back from the undead?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:49] <txwikinger> He is a deamon
[17:53] <txwikinger> GUI? for juju charm?
[17:53] <txwikinger> interesting
[17:54]  * shadeslayer opens icecast
[17:56] <txwikinger> Next room 204?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: which room is that?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> argh
[17:58] <shadeslayer> hey!
[17:58] <shadeslayer> don't do that :P
[17:58] <shadeslayer> ...
[17:59] <txwikinger> what?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: room 204
[17:59] <txwikinger> kubuntu iso
[17:59] <txwikinger> images
[17:59] <shadeslayer> right, which room is that?
[18:00] <txwikinger> room 204
[18:00] <shadeslayer> nvm
[18:00] <jbicha> good morning
[18:03] <jbicha> hi, about the Quantal release schedule...
[18:03] <jbicha> I think the Docs Freeze is too late, it leaves only a few days for translations
[18:05] <jbicha> o/
[18:16] <jbicha> and we already have usable nightly quantal images apparently
[18:19] <jbicha> lol
[18:20]  * jbicha has to log out in 10 minutes
[18:30] <jbicha> bye, see y'all a bit later
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[19:15] <manjo> who is publishing performance spec etc from the various configurations of hw ? ie power consumption etc ?
[19:15] <manjo> s/spec/data /
[19:49] <manjo> does the ocp spec talk of TPM SRTM/DRTM secure boot etc ... for security ? I don't think I see that on the website. or it is just a purely HW spec ?
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[21:47] <cielak> \o/
[21:48] <s-fox> wb cielak  :)
[21:49] <cielak> :-)
[21:49] <s-fox> Is the stream on the same link as yesterday?
[21:49] <cielak> yup
[21:49] <cielak> the same
[21:49] <cielak> though silence now
[21:50] <s-fox> I hear someone tapping away at a keyboard ;)
[21:52] <s-fox> cielak,  new topic :D
[21:52] <cielak> :)
[21:52] <s-fox> Hey tv
[21:52] <s-fox> Sure, no worries
[21:53] <bobweaver> there is like this crazy buzz coming in maybe feedback ?
[21:53] <bobweaver> lol it is driving my dog nuts :)
[22:00] <cielak> :-)
[22:00] <s-fox> :-)
[22:00] <cielak> sure!
[22:00] <Pendulum> it's on
[22:00] <s-fox> no, we can't hear you ;)
[22:00] <Pendulum> (I'm listening in as I needed to lie down)
[22:05] <cielak> no problem ;)
[22:06] <sagaci> :)
[22:06] <dylan-m_> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments
[22:07] <JoseeAntonioR> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Creating/Guidelines is the link we're actually seeing.
[22:09] <cielak> hehe :) no problem, you're doing well ;)
[22:09] <s-fox> cielak,  is awesome
[22:10] <cielak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Trophies
[22:13] <cielak> I guess this is that one: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jonobacon/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/trunk/view/head:/accomplishments/ubuntu-community/en/community-council-member.accomplishment
[22:15] <s-fox> We added 1 new one today actually jono :)
[22:15] <cielak> yeah, been working on Ubuntu Forums trophy icon ;)
[22:20] <cielak> the script for CC Member is available here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jonobacon/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/trunk/view/head:/scripts/ubuntu-community/community-council-member.py
[22:25] <s-fox> Installing - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing
[22:25] <cielak> the release PPA ppa:ubuntu-accomplishments/release
[22:25] <bobweaver>  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-accomplishments-admins/    <~~ which one
[22:25] <cielak> daily PPA ppa:ubuntu-accomplishments-admins/daily
[22:26] <bobweaver> Making a back button would be nice
[22:27] <bobweaver> by "my trophies"
[22:27] <cielak> bobweaver: but going 'back' always leads to the same location, so a 'back' button would do exactly the same as clicking 'my trophies', right?
[22:28] <bobweaver> cielak,  I will talk to later about this. :)
[22:28] <cielak> sure :)
[22:29] <s-fox> jono you have 4 or 5 from me that need merging into the trunk :-)
[22:29] <cielak> indeed ;)
[22:30] <bobweaver>  I am
[22:31] <SpamapS> did somebody say juju charms? ;)
[22:31] <s-fox> Hi SpamapS :)
[22:31] <nxvl> Jono: is there any guidelines for that?
[22:31] <SpamapS> heh sorry, wrong room/audio feed. Submit your juju charms..
[22:32] <nxvl> as in documentation for creating such packages/ppas?
[22:32] <cielak> nxvl: are you looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Creating/Guidelines ?
[22:32] <nxvl> cielak: nope i mean technical
[22:32] <bobweaver> I ould like too help on the UI side of things :)
[22:32] <bobweaver> would *
[22:33] <cielak> nxvl: what exactly you mean?
[22:33] <cielak> bobweaver: great, there is a lot of work that has to be done to the accomplishments viewer (which is the GUI part), so you'll surely find something for yourself!
[22:33] <nxvl> cielak: i mean the example jono just give, "what if IT LoCo wants" and he answered "Do you own" is there a document that answers "How to do my own"
[22:34] <cielak> nxvl: yes! we have a detailed tutorial on that! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Creating/Guide
[22:34] <bobweaver> cielak,  I will push some stuff in the next couple of days I am swamped with zpanel atm
[22:34] <cielak> +1 for 'accomplishments needed'
[22:35] <bobweaver> Ubuntu Hour
[22:35] <bobweaver> for loco team ^^
[22:35] <cielak> bobweaver: cool - any contributions are always welcome :)
[22:36] <bobweaver> what about getting stores to carry ubuntu live cds or docs ?
[22:36] <bobweaver> maybe tie that into lp ^^
[22:37] <bobweaver> talk too system 76 to get a sticker thing going like for the super key ?
[22:37] <philipballew> seems like a interesting idea bobweaver
[22:37] <bobweaver> make accomplishment for that
[22:37] <bobweaver> went to UDS
[22:40] <cielak> yeah, becoming a CC member is easy - just register on LP and become an Ubuntu Member - much easier then using Bazaar, right, s-fox? :-D
[22:45] <s-fox> Totally cielak
[22:45] <s-fox> It was also easier to get on the forums council  ;)
[22:45] <s-fox> You know one of 7 seats on a forum of 1.6 million members. lol
[22:46] <cielak> hehe :-)
[22:46] <cielak> is there really... 1,6 million members? did not know, WOW, this is awesome!
[22:48] <s-fox> cielak,  we average around 1K new members registering PER day
[22:48] <s-fox> The numbers are scary
[22:48] <s-fox> ;)
[22:48] <cielak> stared team/project on lp may result in people registering pointless teams/projects...
[22:48] <jtatum> wow
[22:48] <cielak> s-fox: oh wow, the community is so HUGE... I would never suspect that
[22:49] <s-fox> cielak,  Yes, that is why we are really trying to push for awareness to new users in things like the default firefix bookmarks and ubuntu installer slides
[22:50] <s-fox> :)
[22:51] <cielak> there is a problem with translations
[22:51] <cielak> no launchpad API for them
[22:52] <cielak> but translation team member would be a good one to start from ;)
[22:52] <s-fox> i know a member of the translation team
[22:54] <cielak> nope jono, you did not :)
[22:54] <cielak> you merged it locally, but that's not in trunk yet :)
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[22:56] <cielak> aah, +1 :-)
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[22:57] <cielak> yeah, thanks everyone! :)
[22:57] <s-fox> Thanks everyone :)
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[23:43] <cmagina> one important thing i see with these automated tests is looking for regressions from release to release
[23:54] <cmagina> :)
[23:54] <cmagina> robie already mentioned it
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[13:56] <Hauke> The UTS_UBUNTU_RELEASE_ABI define added in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1327619 causes problems with ubuntu mainline kernel 3.16.0-031600rc5-generic
[13:56] <Hauke> on this kernel #define UTS_UBUNTU_RELEASE_ABI 031600rc5 will be added, which is not a number
[13:57] <Hauke> as you do not do any modifications to the mainline kernel UTS_UBUNTU_RELEASE_ABI is not needed here and LINUX_VERSION_CODE should be enough
[21:21] <apw> Hauke, could you file a bug on that for me, assign it to apw and let me know the number
[21:21] <Hauke> apw: will do that


[00:49] <nhaines> bregma: thanks for that!  There are some other issues, so I wasn't sure if the matchbox window decorations were some symptom or just a sign I needed to reinstall my containers after switching to ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu.  On the other hand, OSK doesn't seem to be working for me for X apps either.
[00:49] <nhaines> Also, if I switch to Desktop Mode, the tablet wants to kill all legacy apps instead of letting them switch back to staged mode, which is quite annoying if I started them in staged mode in the first place.  :)
[13:22] <matv1> hi i have been seeing facebook webapp refusing to start when i previously killed after having followed an external link. is that a known bug?
[13:24] <matv1> only way to fix it is restart or - i assume- is clear cache
[13:25] <matv1> i also expect it is generic. i.e. not related to fb specifically
[13:26] <matv1> sound familiar anyone?
[13:37] <dobey> matv1: "previously killed" as in within a few seconds?
[13:46] <matv1> dobey it might be that that is the cause. starting the webapp again to quick. then it doesnt go beyond the spinner. but then the webapp never recovers after that. even if i try an hour later. seems to be fatal
[13:47] <dobey> that's odd
[13:47] <matv1> dobey hang on let me just confirm that the initial cause is restarting the webapp too quick
[13:47] <matv1> ill be back..
[14:08] <matv1> dobey im back. so i digged a little deeper
[14:08] <matv1> i got it pinned down now. It's a little more complicated though
[14:09] <matv1> dobey the issue is caused by following an external link, say for instance i am in the fb webapp, open a link tou youtube. That link doenst open in the webbrowser proper, but in the oxide container thingy within the webapp (please excuse my use of wrong nameing; you prob get my drift).
[14:09] <matv1> Then, in the upper right corner, i use the icon to break out of the webapp and view the link in the actuall webbrowser app. Then i stop and kill the webbrowser app.
[14:09] <matv1> Then restart the fb webapp (starting within seconds of after minutes makes no difference at all). The webapp hangs on the spinner.
[14:10] <matv1> dobey this is 100% reproducable
[14:10] <dobey> oSoMoN: ^^
[14:11] <oSoMoN> alexabreu, ^^ is that a known issue?
[14:11] <matv1> i think it is that the webapp -in this case fb- is trying to reopen the last viewed page
[14:12] <matv1> but that history gets somehow broken when you break out to the webbrowser-app
[14:12] <alexabreu> oSoMoN, matv1 mmh never saw that
[14:13] <alexabreu> matv1, so basically you can easily repro it
[14:13] <matv1> yes. I wanna do a bug report . i could even add a vid for the steps. but what packagesdo i file it against?
[14:14] <alexabreu> matv1, thank you, yes do it against https://code.launchpad.net/webapps-core
[14:14] <matv1> alexabreu dobey thanks for your help btw :)
[14:14] <dobey> np
[14:15] <matv1> ok will do. will ping you when its there.
[14:15] <dobey> it doesn't sound like something that would be limited to the fb app, so i'd say it should probably be against the webbrowser-app package instead
[14:15] <alexabreu> dobey, not really no, I'll diagnose it first
[14:15] <alexabreu> but might end up that way yes
[14:16] <matv1> ok cool. so webapps-core first
[14:16] <matv1> ta all.
[15:22] <matv1> alexabreau https://bugs.launchpad.net/webapps-core/+bug/1597384
[15:25] <matv1> alexabreu  ^^
[15:25] <alexabreu> matv1, thx !
[15:26] <matv1> alexabreu hang on the plot thickens..
[15:27] <matv1> might not be a webbrowser issue at all..
[15:28] <matv1> maybe authentication to fb.. i am now oticing that after crashing the fb webapp as described, i wont even start on my nexus 4 either..
[15:28] <matv1> 'my brain hurts' :/
[15:31] <matv1> i am confused right now. I would say the first step is confirming if others can reproduce the bug
[15:31] <alexabreu> matv1, yes that's what I plan to check, I'll follow up on the bug
[15:32] <matv1> alexbreu cool let me know if you need more from me anytime
[15:38] <alexabreu> matv1, yes no worries
[17:18] <Flohack> Evening!
[17:18] <Flohack> I got an issue with GPS on my BQ 5
[17:18] <Flohack> Anyone interested in that?
[17:31] <seb128> ogra_, hey, could you write a MIR for dbus-property-service? we are looking at getting unity8 in main and it's on the list and it seems it's a package you created
[17:31] <ogra_> oh my
[17:31] <ogra_> i havent touched that in years
[17:32] <ogra_> i that for the phone
[17:32] <ogra_> ?
[17:32] <Flohack> yess
[17:32] <Flohack> sry not my question, disregard ;)
[17:32] <ogra_> seb128, you surely dont want it on a desktop install, it manages a bunch of phone specific toggles in the system
[17:33] <seb128> ubuntu-system-settings depends on it
[17:33] <ogra_> (mainly android properties)
[17:34] <ogra_> (as the name suggests ;) )
[17:34] <seb128> I guess we could change/fix that instead
[17:34] <ogra_> yeah, make it a recommends, or drop it and have it seeded in the phone seeds
[17:34] <ogra_> something like that
[17:34] <seb128> well the question is how the settings would work without it
[17:34] <ogra_> they wont
[17:35] <ogra_> but tthats developer mode mostly
[17:35] <seb128> I guess we need to fix u-s-s to hide those when there is no android side
[17:35] <ogra_> which you likely want to hide on non-phones
[17:35] <ogra_> yeah
[17:36] <ogra_> "software designd with convergence in mind"
[17:36] <ogra_> :P
[17:37] <seb128> :-)
[17:37] <ogra_> Flohack, you should definitely file a bug (see the channel topic, there is a link for it) so developers are awafre
[17:38] <ogra_> *aware
[17:38] <Flohack> Well before I file a bug, I just want to know if maybe its my mistake => That is, the switch for enabling/disabling GPS is gone since the last OTA
[17:38] <seb128> tedg, could you write a MIR for indicator-transfer? ;-) it seems you made the original upload to the archive...
[17:38] <Flohack> And I cannot get a fix by enabling WiFi as suggested by some
[17:38] <ogra_> ah, thats intentional i think
[17:39] <seb128> tedg, sorry to bother you, we are trying to get moving toward getting unity8 in main but there is too much work for desktop only, cf http://pad.ubuntu.com/u8neededmir
[17:39] <ogra_> there is still a switch for location ... but none for GPS explicitly
[17:39] <ogra_> you can switch that somewhere in the system settings app though
[17:39] <ogra_> jzst not from the indicator anymore
[17:39] <Flohack> Location is enabled, but SensorStatus gets no link, no uNav, nothing...
[17:40] <Flohack> Also I can´t find any documentation on that ;)
[17:41] <ogra_> you can find the setting under the security settings somewhere now
[17:41] <seb128> dobey, hey, is there any chance you could file a MIR for ubuntuone-credentials? (cf some lines up for the context)
[17:42] <Flohack> Hmm yeah, there are options for location, but location is enabled for all apps + set to the GPS+Here option, still nothing. I would need to know where to look for error msgs for this part. Is this system-image ?
[17:42] <seb128> Elleo, ^ hey, could you maybe do one for ubuntu-keyboard?  (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess)
[17:43] <dobey> seb128: i guess
[17:43] <seb128> dobey, that would be great, thanks!
[17:44] <seb128> dobey, if there are depends not in main just write in the bug, we can help with those (e.g don't feel like you have to deal with those as well)
[17:44] <Elleo> seb128: sure thing, just about to leave for the evening but will start on it tomorrow
[17:44] <seb128> Elleo, great, let me know if you have questions or need help, and have a great evening!
[17:44] <Elleo> seb128: sure thing, thanks :)
[17:45] <dobey> seb128: i don't think it depends on anything not in main. but i guess i'll have to do MIRs for unity-scope-click and pay-service, too
[17:45] <seb128> dobey, if you want to/have cycles for those that would be nice
[17:45] <seb128> we are going to try to help on some but there is a stack
[17:46] <dobey> seb128: well, unity8 needs them :)
[17:46] <seb128> right
[17:47] <seb128> Elleo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-download-manager/+bug/1488425 seems assigned to you on a similar topic, unsure if it's still on your todolist?
[17:47] <seb128> some issues to fix listed there
[17:47] <Elleo> seb128: yeah, sorting that out is on our backlog, it just hasn't had much priority until now
[17:47] <seb128> k
[17:47] <seb128> thanks
[18:23] <stakewinner00> today the telegram app have crashed a couple of time on my bq e4.5..
[18:35] <Flohack> Telegram is a beast on its own ;)
[18:36] <Flohack> But it got quite stable on my BQ 5 during last updates. I currently see no crashes


[11:03] <uksysadmin> 'sup all
[11:03] <uksysadmin> does orchestra on 12.04 have a cobbler web interface? it seems to have disappeared.
[14:09] <abhinavmehta> I'm using lib cloud…and while doing conn.list_nodes() for EC2, getting this output: http://pastebin.com/Bk8qu0eP
[14:09] <abhinavmehta> ..my problem is, why it is showing groups as [none]


[11:24] <brobostigon> morning all.
[14:39] <brobostigon> afternoonings chippanfat :)
[20:24] <TonyBurn> evening
[20:24] <brobostigon> noswaith dda TonyBurn
[20:25] <TonyBurn> lo
[20:25] <TonyBurn> raid card had a wobbler on the server today and took me off irc :o
[20:25] <brobostigon> :(
[20:26] <brobostigon> not good.
[20:26] <TonyBurn> no, luckily someone was around to hard reset it as i have no kvm
[20:27] <brobostigon> i see.
[20:27] <TonyBurn> pfffft, can i be arsed parsing or looking for a plugin to get my linkedin public cv onto my website
[20:28] <TonyBurn> might have  aquick look to see if theres a wordpress plugin before i bother to think about writing anything
[20:28] <brobostigon> ok.
[20:31] <TonyBurn> so brobostigon, what do you work at?
[20:34] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: i am unemployed right now, but iused to do systems and office admin.
[20:35] <brobostigon> and bits of systems design and manegement.
[20:35] <TonyBurn> ahhh k, sorry to hear your unemployed :/
[20:36] <TonyBurn> do you contribute to ubuntu/foss development at all?
[20:37] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: debian and ubuntu user support, help with the manegement of ubuntu-cym,user support within ubuntu-cym, testing and bug exploration of haiku-os, and user support within haiku-os and BeOS.
[20:39] <TonyBurn> nice
[20:40] <brobostigon> some of it is quite challenging, and not really recognised, but some if it, like haiku and beos is second nature.
[20:42] <TonyBurn> i need to get my ass into gear and do a little more
[20:43] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: my mind has been focused on recently, thinking about the design of a linux consultency/system design and sales company.
[20:46] <TonyBurn> yea? as a one man band?
[20:46] <brobostigon> probebly.
[20:47]  * brobostigon is hating the mathematics.
[20:50] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: thats the bit, i will need help with.
[20:51] <TonyBurn> the maths?!
[20:51] <brobostigon> yes, iam awful at it.
[20:53] <TonyBurn> i dont understand how it is such an issue? is it a problem with regards to business accounting?
[20:53] <TonyBurn> or development?
[20:53] <brobostigon> the accounting as well as doing the planning of finanaces.
[20:55] <TonyBurn> if you;re a one man band what overheads are you going to incurr apart from broadband and a laptop?
[20:55] <TonyBurn> everything else is living expenses, ie business as usual
[20:56] <brobostigon> tools,  and materials
[20:57] <brobostigon> most of the tools ihave already.
[20:57] <brobostigon> and then maybe a shop.
[20:58] <TonyBurn> most consultants i know cream at least 600 quid a day and have never needed any overheads such as a shop etc
[20:59] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: i am thinking ahead here.
[21:01] <TonyBurn> obviously i dont really know your strategy, business plans, end goals/objectives but if your talking about starting as a one man band i wouldn't burden yourself with overheads that aren't required, i'd address them if they ever are required due to an opportunistic gap in the market
[21:03] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: agreed, i want to start for myself. however i thinking that there might be a market for more consumer product in the future, ad therefore thinking about that,
[21:10] <TonyBurn> dunno what the situation is like locally for you but i'm not soo sure if there will ever be a market there on a local level
[21:11] <brobostigon> well, not striclkly locally, however withhin lets say, oxfordshire, or midlands.
[21:11] <brobostigon> for example.
[21:13] <brobostigon> and there is definatly a market, among certain people within allthe systems linux us used on, for example, tablets, mobilephones, netbooks, etc.
[21:15] <TonyBurn> so your targetting consumer rather then business?
[21:15] <TonyBurn> *you're
[21:15] <brobostigon> ah, business first.
[21:31] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: i would like to design a certain type of machine with haiku though, and another ide for something with android.
[21:37] <TonyBurn> thats all hobby stuff though unless you have a serious business plan behind it?
[21:38] <brobostigon> at the moment, yes, all just simple ideas.
[21:38] <TonyBurn> ok, yes hobby stuff can hit it right at times and generate lots of revenue, but unless your haiku machine s offering something unique i cant see what requirements it could be filling
[21:38] <TonyBurn> *is
[21:39] <brobostigon> it will be offerring some VERY unique things,
[21:40] <TonyBurn> that the consumer cant already get on a commercially supported platform?
[21:40] <brobostigon> yes.
[21:40] <TonyBurn> and most importantly, wants
[21:40] <brobostigon> yes.
[21:41] <TonyBurn> so you've got a vision statement of sorts alrady put together?
[21:41] <brobostigon> and doesnt exist already, on any existing platform.
[21:41] <brobostigon> the basics, yes.
[21:41] <TonyBurn> fair enough :)
[21:42] <TonyBurn> p'ah, usiness plans, visions statements etc etc
[21:42] <TonyBurn> feel like i'm back in work!
[21:42] <TonyBurn> rt, i'm gonna have to move, mrs is shouting at me for being on the computer
[21:42] <TonyBurn> laters
[21:43] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: the basis of it, i had when i was was at college, and designed then, and just needed the right hw and sw to exist, to echieve it.
[21:43] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: bye.
[22:19] <brobostigon> nos da,sleep well.