[05:55] <fabbione> and while i was integrating it, i suddenly realize that it was crack
[05:55] <fabbione> specially when xresprobe was returning the same faulty values for my monitor, exactly like in the db
[05:56] <FTTP> gotcha
[05:56] <fabbione> poking around i found out that it was built from people sending ddc info to the people managing this db
[05:56] <fabbione> -> Trash
[05:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: is there anything regarding /dev/cdrom in /etc/mtab?
[05:57] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) does the mount cmd say it's mounted?
[05:57] <FTTP> fabbione:  how about a built in tool like some of those websites which figure out modprobes :P
[05:57] <FTTP> fabbione i guess it prolly is the driver tho
[05:58] <fabbione> FTTP: that might be an idea.. please discuss it on ubuntu-devel mailing list
[05:58] <fabbione> but also add references on where to find these tools
[05:58] <fabbione> and bug daniels for get it working :-)
[05:59] <FTTP> fabbione:  i can just go to a website and enter in my figures and it figures out the modlines
[05:59] <FTTP> but then isnt that what the hardware detection does?
[05:59] <fabbione> FTTP: yes.. but we need the source code :-)
[05:59] <FTTP> or as u said, its part due to the driver?
[05:59] <fabbione> no, i said that X pass some modelines to the driver
[05:59] <FTTP> ohh
[05:59] <fabbione> and the driver finds the match
[05:59] <FTTP> gotcha
[06:00] <fabbione> X has a well known list of modelines
[06:00] <fabbione> "known" as in "known to be": a) working, b) safe
[06:00] <FTTP> yes my monitor works fine
[06:00] <FTTP> just doesnt detect higher rates
[06:00] <FTTP> which can be manually added
[06:00] <fabbione> exactly
[06:01] <Pariente> hi u all
[06:01] <FTTP> im not in disagreement since there is no way to change refresh rates on the fly right?
[06:01] <FTTP> err i mean it has to detect the modline
[06:01] <FTTP> in order to use that rate
[06:01] <fabbione> correct
[06:01] <hcker2000> GammaRay, sory had to run and do some thing let me see about mtab
[06:02] <hcker2000> GammaRay, actualy what exatly do u want me to do with /etc/mtab?
[06:03] <FTTP> fabbione:  Ill wait for the x.org and see how that goes
[06:03] <fabbione> ok
[06:04] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) KNEEL BEFORE XORG!
[06:04] <xoxoxo> FTTP: do you know how to install the latest firefox with apt-get ?
[06:04] <tyrano> this might be a dumb question, but how do you install rpms :X
[06:04] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: see if /dev/whatever is in it
[06:05] <FTTP> xoxoxo:  www.firefox.com
[06:05] <FTTP> err mozilla.org
[06:05] <FTTP> sorry
[06:05] <hcker2000> just with ls? or do need to open it with a file editor?
[06:05] <FTTP> xoxoxo:  Im not sure if its on there, search universe for  it
[06:05] <FTTP> if not theres always mozilla.org
[06:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: use: less /etc/mtab
[06:05] <xoxoxo> FTTP: i enable universe, but there is no new version
[06:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: q to quit
[06:05] <hcker2000> /dev/hda3 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0
[06:05] <hcker2000> proc /proc proc rw 0 0
[06:05] <hcker2000> sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0
[06:05] <hcker2000> devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0
[06:05] <hcker2000> tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0
[06:05] <hcker2000> usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0
[06:06] <Pariente> can some one give me a URL where they can explain me how to accelerate my hardware 3D with an intel 815 board
[06:06] <hcker2000> wops sory forgot this is the channel window
[06:06] <FTTP> xoxoxo then mozilla.org
[06:06] <xoxoxo> FTTP: so there is no "testing" or "unstable" as debian?
[06:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: well it's not mounted according to that
[06:06] <xoxoxo> FTTP: yes i will try that, but prefer using apt-get
[06:06] <FTTP> xoxoxo:  http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox&os=linux&lang=en-US
[06:07] <hcker2000> GammaRay, so do i need to do mount /dev/cdrom
[06:07] <hcker2000> ?
[06:07] <osiris_22> is there any new updates for gaim?
[06:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: pmount /dev/cdrom
[06:07] <s0cks> Don't wanna wait till you know me better
[06:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: actually.. why don't you try to play the dvd the hack of it, before you do that
[06:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: it does not need to be mounted to play
[06:08] <hcker2000> i tryed didnt get any thing and this is the error Error: could not create mount point: File exists
[06:08] <tyrano> is there a ubuntu manual
[06:08] <osiris_22> when i try to send files on fucken gaim it crashes.. and i cant get files to go threw on amsn
[06:08] <s0cks> online
[06:08] <osiris_22> nor xchat
[06:08] <tyrano> just the wiki?
[06:11] <LinuxJones> osiris_22, it's probably crashing cause Microsoft only wants msn-msn file transfers
[06:11] <xoxoxo> anybody uses ieee1394 with ubuntu? it doesnt work for me. unlike my usbkey, ubuntu does nothing when i plugged my external hdd to the machine. any idea on this ?
[06:11] <osiris_22> it does it when i try to send over the aim part of gaim too
[06:12] <zenwhen> osiris_22,
[06:12] <zenwhen> have you upgraded gaim?
[06:12] <zenwhen> are you running hoary?
[06:12] <osiris_22> no im using the game that came on warty
[06:12] <osiris_22> or how ever its spelled
[06:12] <zenwhen> Oh
[06:12] <zenwhen> upaen synaptic and see if theres a newer one.
[06:13] <hcker2000> any one got any ideas on geting the dvd out of here?
[06:13] <osiris_22> i did there isnt lol
[06:13] <zenwhen> 1.0.3 has been sweet about not crashing during transfers
[06:13] <osiris_22> i was working and letting me send files for a wile
[06:13] <osiris_22> then it started crashen
[06:13] <zenwhen> Its always been a bit buggy.
[06:13] <osiris_22> so i tried restarting
[06:13] <osiris_22> and it still does it everytime
[06:17] <xoxoxo> FTTP: technically what makes .deb from debian repository not compatible with ubuntu?
[06:18] <hcker2000> darn i was realy hoping this was the last ppc distro i would have to try
[06:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: maybe you could restart )-:
[06:19] <jono> hey
[06:20] <jono> I am having problems with X.org - my display is really wavy
[06:20] <hcker2000> GammaRay, yea ill give that a try and see if i can get it to eject before i get into linux
[06:20] <hcker2000> ill brb
[06:20] <tyrano> do i use alien or rpm to install an rpm ;O
[06:20] <jono> its strange - it doesnt look like the refresh rate is wrong, it just looks like there is a problem rendering the X display
[06:20] <FTTP> jono:  hmmm
[06:20] <jono> any idea?
[06:21] <Gmail> ROOT HAS LANDED!
[06:21] <calc> i've seen xfree do weird things before, but only when i told it to do weird thigns
[06:21] <calc> er things
[06:22] <jono> this is x.org though
[06:22] <calc> haven't used x.org much
[06:22] <jono> how different is xorg.conf to XF86Config-4?
[06:22] (jdub/#ubuntu) xoxoxo: the ubuntu repositories are frozen and built against themselves, not against any of the debian repositories.
[06:22] (jdub/#ubuntu) xoxoxo: think of each ubuntu release as you would a debian release -> woody is not
[06:22] (jdub/#ubuntu) 'compatible' with sarge's repository, etc.
[06:23] <jono> is there anything I can do to take my current xfree86 file and make it compatible with x.org?
[06:23] <pinkee> that is not technically true
[06:23] <jono> its weird though, as it does look like the x display is corrupted
[06:23] <zenwhen> i can attest that installing things from debian repos wont kill your system instantly though
[06:24] <zenwhen> Thought it could
[06:24] <zenwhen> though*
[06:24] <zenwhen> ;)
[06:26] <Tsjoklat> hey zenwhen
[06:26] <zenwhen> Hey there Tsjoklat.
[06:27] <zenwhen> How are you tonight? I saw that you sided with me on the forums.
[06:27] <zenwhen> :*
[06:27] <Tsjoklat> lol
[06:27] <Tsjoklat> yeah I did zen :P
[06:28] <zenwhen> I figured someone would ask eventually.
[06:28] <zenwhen> So I decided to ask and make it fair and not completely loaded towards KDE.
[06:28] <Tsjoklat> you did good zenwhen
[06:29] <hcker2000> ok im back got a new error in totem this time
[06:29] <zenwhen> The results look good so far.
[06:29] <zenwhen> Pretty much exactly what I wanted, until some KDE board gets a hold of it. :P
[06:30] <Tsjoklat> :P
[06:31] <hcker2000> GammaRay, Failed to play Audio/Video Disc
[06:31] <hcker2000> Unexpected error status 8192 while mounting /media/cdrom0
[06:35] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: well that's something...
[06:35] <hcker2000> yea butter than no error
[06:35] <hcker2000> and the eject button is working now
[06:37] <hcker2000> so i guess i should try pmount /dev/cdrom ?
[06:38] <hcker2000> oh look our friendly error is back Failed to play Audio/Video Disc
[06:38] <hcker2000> Unexpected error status 8192 while mounting /media/cdrom0
[06:38] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: you might check what totem is configured to use as a device
[06:38] <hcker2000> doh thats not it one sec
[06:38] <hcker2000> root@mac:/home/hcker2000 # pmount /dev/cdrom
[06:38] <hcker2000> Error: could not create mount point: File exists
[06:38] <hcker2000> thats the pmount error
[06:43] <hcker2000> i just fing fixed it
[06:43] <hcker2000> touch /media/cdrom0
[06:43] <hcker2000> mount /dev/cdrom
[06:43] <hcker2000> boom playing
[06:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hmm very odd
[06:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) do you mean pmount?
[06:44] <hcker2000> nope i meen mount
[06:47] <natex> anyone get webmin working?
[06:47] <hcker2000> no idea why it works though
[06:47] <Chibi> Argh. I lost the page with the ubuntu palletes. :/
[06:48] <tyrano_> anyone know why ubuntu would have just locked up
[06:48] <tyrano_> could it be because of acpi?
[06:49] (crimsun/#ubuntu) possibly, but that's not the cause usually
[06:49] <tyrano_> hmm
[06:49] (crimsun/#ubuntu) unless you're using a really early 2.6 kernel
[06:50] <tyrano_> i think im using 2.6.8
[06:50] <hcker2000> it dose weird things with the mouse though when its playing
[06:50] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usually it's poorly-coded drivers or faulty hardware
[06:50] <tyrano_> it just went unresponsive so i had to hard reboot :/
[06:51] <PorscheB1y> lll
[06:51] <LucidVisions> quick question, is the linux kernel written in c?
[06:51] <Agrajag> yes
[06:51] <Agrajag> mostly
[06:52] (crimsun/#ubuntu) a few sections in asm
[06:52] <PorscheB1y> anyone is using xchat?
[06:52] (crimsun/#ubuntu) but those are small sections
[06:52] <LucidVisions> Agrajag: cool,thanks
[06:52] <farruinn> PorscheB1y, currently
[06:52] <LucidVisions> I wasnt sure
[06:52] <PorscheB1y> farruinn, can i have ur conf file?
[06:53] <farruinn> yours broken or something?
[06:53] <PorscheB1y> farruinn, yah
[06:54] <farruinn> have you tried just deleting .xchat2?
[06:54] <farruinn> or dpkg-reconfigure xchat?
[06:54] <PorscheB1y> it something
[06:54] <hcker2000> so i think as soon as this iso gets done im going to give mandrake 10.1 a shot
[06:54] <PorscheB1y> never thought of that
[06:54] <farruinn> dpkg-reconfigure - valuable command =)
[06:57] <PorscheB1y> thnx, ok i gotta do that now
[06:58] <Chibi> http://studiochibico.com/xfce/ubgirl.png quick little doodle D:
[07:00] <sherpa> i have an nvidia card, and i am using kernel 2.6.9, i got the new nvidia driver that is supposed to support it, but on startup "modprobe nvidia" does not seem to happen and X fails to load, anyone know where to put "modprobe nvidia" so it will load automatically?
[07:01] <fabbione> sherpa: /etc/modules
[07:01] <fabbione> but the new drivers are borked
[07:01] <fabbione> i wouldn't use them
[07:01] <fabbione> that's why we didn't upload them to the archive yet
[07:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) christian posted a patch fixing the memory allocation
[07:01] <fabbione> afaik there are some AGP problems
[07:01] <sherpa> o, really
[07:01] <sherpa> well, then...
[07:02] <fabbione> crimsun: i heard (that means that i can't be sure) that it is only a partial fix and it doesn't really work as expected
[07:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=477802
[07:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) unfortunately :/
[07:02] <Chibi> No comment? :/
[07:03] <sherpa> im using the driver now and it seems to work...
[07:05] <sherpa> thanks fabbione!
[07:07] <s0cks> from the chronographs-and-tickers dept.
[07:07] <s0cks> stevelinton writes "The UK National Physical Laboratory has a new atomic clock potentially 1000 times more accurate than current cesium clocks: to within 1 second in about 30 billion years! This could lead quite soon to a new definition of the second, and in a while to improved resolution in GPS successor systems. More interestingly, there are theories that some of the universe's fundamental dimensionless constants may have changed by a parts in
[07:07] <s0cks>  a million over the last 10 billion years or so. These clocks are so accurate that they should be able to detect these changes over a year or two."
[07:09] <farruinn> hmm, I wonder how their accuracy was measured
[07:12] <mass> nice :D
[07:13] <mass> how do I reconfigure a software raid after drives switch letters?
[07:15] <pepsi_> is there a better pdf viewer?
[07:19] <pepsi_> thats dumb
[07:19] <mass> its an inaccurate one :)
[07:20] <mass> so does anyone know? I can figure out how to assemble and mount my drive manually, but I don't know how to change the status information used at startup time
[07:20] <mass> that appears to be attached to the partitions
[07:20] <pepsi_> i dunno
[07:24] <Austron> hi
[07:24] <Karnaugh> ffs
[07:24] <Karnaugh> the mirror died
[07:33] <LucidVisions> anyhow,back to the show..i went on a tangent i suppose
[07:33] <pepsi_> how can i make java work?
[07:33] <pepsi_> in web pages
[07:33] <mojo>  can someone tell me how to enable the MPEG4 codec of RealPlayer 10 without recompiling?
[07:35] <Austron> is anyone programming C++ in ubuntu?
[07:36] <hbillo> mojo, use synaptic to install the codecs
[07:36] <pepsi_> Austron: why?
[07:36] <hbillo> you to add the "universe" entry to your apt sources
[07:37] <Austron> because i would like to ask what ide he uses and ask for some programming basics like api usage and stuff
[07:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I installed gaim's source via apt-get source gaim. When I run dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot how do I prevent it from being striped?
[07:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) stripped
[07:40] <LucidVisions> Austron: I use anjuta for my c ++ programming
[07:40] <LucidVisions> its a good IDE
[07:41] <Austron> ok can you tell me what replaces the windows API in linux? i heard the gdi functions are in the gtk kit, but what about the system apis?
[07:44] <Karnaugh> Austron: well there are different gui api's, WX, tk, gtk gnome and kde have their own etc.
[07:45] <LucidVisions> to my knowlege nothing "replaces" the windows API's.Are you trying to create gui apps...ie...gtk+,WX..etc?
[07:45] <Karnaugh> as far as system api's i dont know what you mean, the programming language its self is generaly the os api :P
[07:45] <Austron> and the system apis? like gettime or getcurdir (currentdir) something like that
[07:45] <LucidVisions> yep,,Karnaugh is correct
[07:46] <Karnaugh> Austron: thats part of the language's standard libraries
[07:46] <Karnaugh> stdio, or os in python
[07:46] <Karnaugh> (stdio was just an example, there are many others in c)
[07:46] <Austron> hmm.. so no system apis
[07:47] <pepsi_> Austron: have you installed manpages-dev?
[07:48] <Austron> im not on linux atm, but i guess not :)
[07:48] <Karnaugh> i see you're talking about C++
[07:48] <Karnaugh> what are you coming from exactly? VC++?
[07:49] <Austron> yes c++ and one nice ide (devcpp vc) was my windows home
[07:49] <Vince-0> Yo Yo
[07:49] <Karnaugh> devcpp? with MinGW?
[07:50] <FTTP> u notice how all the distros with bucks are sponsoring gnome?
[07:50] <Karnaugh> FTTP: i guess they need lots of money to fix their horible gui
[07:51] <FTTP> ubuntu/debian, redhat, sun
[07:51] <Austron> yes
[07:51] <FTTP> and novell
[07:51] <FTTP> karnaugh:  You dont like ubuntus gnome?
[07:51] <FTTP> :(
[07:51] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: don't make me bitch slap you
[07:51] <FTTP> you like KDE?
[07:52] <FTTP> yeah me too
[07:52] <FTTP> gnome rules
[07:52] <FTTP> some distros sponsor both but
[07:52] <FTTP> kde has mostly the little guys
[07:52] <FTTP> linux needs deep pockets
[07:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bah :-P
[07:53] <FTTP> needs full time programmers
[07:53] <farruinn> I think that kde is probably a more welcoming environment for someone coming from windows
[07:53] <FTTP> farruinn:  Its more childish
[07:53] <FTTP> looking
[07:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) farruinn: on surface that is true
[07:53] <FTTP> farruinn:  No.... look at suns gnome
[07:53] <FTTP> suns gnome looks like windows
[07:54] <Austron> the most important thing above all for linux is an excellent documentation and ide for development. because i think thats what scares mayn potential willing programmers
[07:54] <FTTP> auston yeah i guess
[07:54] <farruinn> What do you mean?  vim is the ultimate ide ;-)
[07:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm a potential willing programmers.. and you'll find me on the cmd line thank you very much :-P
[07:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) tisk tisk.. it's all about jed :-P
[07:55] <farruinn> Too many people underestimate the power of cli - the keyboard is a much more efficient input device than the mouse in many respects
[07:55] <Karnaugh> please
[07:55] <Karnaugh> use a real WM, like Fluxbox
[07:56] <Karnaugh> not a windows rip off
[07:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: and you think gnome is a windows rip-off?
[07:56] <FTTP> the truth about linux is that all the highly advanced stuff was developed by corporations like at&t or stuff like berkley
[07:56] <Karnaugh> GammaRay: absolutly
[07:56] <FTTP> linux cant develop anything advanced
[07:56] <farruinn> I don't think gnome attempts to simluate windows at all
[07:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: I think the question remaining is.. have you ever actuyally used gnome?
[07:57] <Karnaugh> GammaRay: yes, I've used almost every WM there is
[07:57] <maskie> FTTP, you right since Linux is only a kernel in any case so it is not suppose to develop :)
[07:57] <genr> karnaugh, stop trolling
[07:57] <farruinn> Technically, isn't metacity the WM?
[07:57] <Karnaugh> fvwm, windowmaker, gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox.. probably in that order
[07:57] <FTTP> maskie:  No i mean stuff like enterprise class features
[07:58] <FTTP> maskie:  multiple cpu usage, and all the frills
[07:58] <Karnaugh> genr: I'm not trolling, I'm stating my oppinion. KDE and Gnome suck
[07:58] <genr> it's how flame wars start, stop
[07:58] <FTTP> alot of the stuff was given to linux, it wasnt created by the linux developers
[07:58] <Karnaugh> genr: GammaRay's doing the flaming
[07:58] <maskie> FTTP, there is good support for SMP in the kernel .. in 2.6 at least
[07:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: uh huh
[07:59] <FTTP> maskie:  And ibm donated that code :P
[07:59] <FTTP> maskie:  i think.... not sure
[07:59] <FTTP> they donated a ton of enterprise class feature stuff tho
[07:59] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: all the code in linux was donated
[08:00] <maskie> FTTP, yes and is'nt that the way open source and commuinity work is suppose to work ... those that have the skill contribute
[08:00] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: well I happen to think fluxbox sucks.. icewm is much better (and faster)
[08:00] <Karnaugh> maskie: and who pays them for all the testing equipment required to develop something like high end RAID drivers etc
[08:00] <FTTP> gammaray:  no i mean by people who had stuff that wasnt licensed under gpl initially
[08:01] <FTTP> sure linus did alot of work and stuff , but alot of it was just hobbyist grade stuff
[08:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: before 2.6 they has perfectly fine if flawed SMP support
[08:01] <maskie> Karnaugh, that is why we also need big guys with deep pockets to contribute ...
[08:02] <FTTP> gammaray:  without commercial companies donating, linux would be nothing
[08:02] <FTTP> i mean linux would just be a hobbyist os
[08:02] <FTTP> very small in nature
[08:03] <Karnaugh> maskie: exactly, or guys that work for IBM etc and have some free time to donate code that they were able to develop with their big pockets
[08:03] <farruinn> FTTP, I don't think I really get your point.  Is there something wrong with that?
[08:03] <Karnaugh> brb, stupid apache has hung again
[08:03] <FTTP> farruinn what im saying is i wish we had more commercial os competition
[08:03] <FTTP> it would spur faster development
[08:04] <FTTP> linux will coexist
[08:04] <FTTP> linux aint going anywhere
[08:04] <pepsi_> BeOS was fun :D
[08:04] <FTTP> kde and gnome and all will be around and still donated :)
[08:04] <maskie> Karnaugh, u from SA?  ... seem to remember your name from myadsl
[08:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) linux seems to be the only OS around that can stand up to MS
[08:05] <FTTP> just wish there was more of a commercial model for competition
[08:05] <FTTP> gammaray:  No competitor can get marketshare, its locked out
[08:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) huh?
[08:05] <FTTP> gammaray for desktop os i mean
[08:05] <farruinn> I don't think that competing with M$ is really the point of linux anyway...
[08:05] <FTTP> the percentage of users of linux in the usa is very very small
[08:05] <FTTP> server its on the rise
[08:05] <genr> im from sa maskie
[08:05] <Karnaugh> maskie: yes
[08:05] <FTTP> but not desktop
[08:06] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: hobbyist grade? I refute that.
[08:06] <FTTP> crimsum:  No im saying without commercial support
[08:06] <FTTP> crimsum:  IT would have BEEN hobbyist grade
[08:06] (crimsun/#ubuntu) 2.4 had excellent SMP compared even without commercial backing
[08:06] <Austron> the standardization of linux must continue and must be improved vastly
[08:06] <FTTP> crimsum:  IBM donatedh hyperthreading for example
[08:06] <FTTP> Hyper-Threading speeds Linux
[08:06] <FTTP> donated by ibm
[08:06] <maskie> genr, Karnaugh, did any of you watch the new TV program on open source that started yesterday ...
[08:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hyperthreading is stupid btw
[08:07] <genr> maskie, nope
[08:07] <genr> what's the name?
[08:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: where did you read they donated it?
[08:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hyperthreading is just to make up for Intels bad chip design
[08:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) and reading, HT is negligible.
[08:07] <FTTP> crimsum:  The current Linux symmetric multiprocessing (SMP) kernel at both the 2.4 and 2.5 versions was made aware of Hyper-Threading, and performance speed-up had been observed in multithreaded benchmarks (see Resources later in this article for articles with more details).
[08:07] <maskie> genr, go-open and it is sponsored in part by Canonical .. was on SABC 2 around 5:30
[08:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ie amd does not need hyperthreading
[08:08] <genr> sounds interesting
[08:08] <FTTP> Duc Vianney works in operating system performance evaluation and measurement in computer architectures and Java. He is with the Linux Kernel Performance Group at the IBM Linux Technology Center. Duc has written several articles on Java performance for IBM developerWorks and PartnerWorld.
[08:08] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: the speedup is nowhere as crucial as the actual tearing down of internal big locks
[08:08] <genr> stop copy pasting fttp, shit.
[08:09] <FTTP> beos was nice
[08:09] <FTTP> but it was not multiuser
[08:10] (crimsun/#ubuntu) it did not need to be multiuser
[08:10] <FTTP> hopefully when the litigation is finished, new OS'es will emerge
[08:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) windows was not either until NT.. and not until XP on the desktop side
[08:10] <Karnaugh> XP essentialy is NT
[08:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I know
[08:11] <FTTP> its ironic, ibm has no linux distro right?
[08:11] <FTTP> ibm contributed to linux, but maintained no distro
[08:11] (crimsun/#ubuntu) externally? no. Internally they maintain certain things.
[08:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: why are plenty happy playing one distro against an other
[08:12] <Karnaugh> FTTP: they have their own UNIX stuff as far as i know
[08:12] <FTTP> aix is dead
[08:12] <Karnaugh> FTTP: why do they need to maintain their own distro?
[08:12] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: AIX is far from dead :)
[08:12] (crimsun/#ubuntu) but really, this is way off-topic
[08:12] <FTTP> crimsun:   aix isnt supported
[08:12] <FTTP> linux is their transition
[08:13] <FTTP> well aix is end of life
[08:13] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: I can refute that.
[08:13] <Karnaugh> ...
[08:13] (crimsun/#ubuntu) please, this is really off-topic
[08:13] <alkirk> what is the topic
[08:13] <alkirk> ?
[08:13] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ubuntu-related discussion
[08:14] <Agrajag> UBUNTU AND ONLY UBUNTU HOW DARE YOU SPEAK OF ANYTHING ELSE EVEN WHEN NOBODY ELSE IS SPEAKING
[08:14] (crimsun/#ubuntu) whether IBM's UNIX is dying or not really has no bearing
[08:14] (jdub/#ubuntu) Agrajag: that's unnecessary
[08:14] <alkirk> It's tied up in the SCO mess
[08:14] <Agrajag> not really.
[08:15] <farruinn> How much does Ubuntu and Debian share code?  As in, if a bug is fixed in Ubuntu, will it be integrated into Debian and the other way around?
[08:15] (crimsun/#ubuntu) farruinn: very closely
[08:15] <Agrajag> telling peopel to shut up in the middle of a discussion that's not affecting anyone's ability to get help is quite unnecessary.
[08:15] <alkirk> X question
[08:15] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Agrajag: I was hardly telling anyone to shush; it was a reminder that there are still people requesting ubuntu help.
[08:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) Agrajag: the off-topic discussion is distracting and unnecessary, and it makes the channel more intimidating for people trying to get help. there are plenty of other places this discussion could go on, so don't portray it as unfair rules, etc.
[08:16] (crimsun/#ubuntu) farruinn: most ubuntu maintainers/developers are also debian maintainers/developers; so bug squashing and patching is very close-knit
[08:16] <farruinn> ah, spiffy!
[08:17] <Gorth> is bugzilla.ubuntu.com down?
[08:17] <alkirk> I have a problem with X
[08:17] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: please elaborate
[08:17] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Gorth: it's up for me.
[08:18] <alkirk> I had problem getting X to operate on my computer when I installed
[08:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I installed gaim's source via apt-get source gaim. When I run dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot how do I prevent it from being stripped?
[08:18] <alkirk> I finally got it working with the framebuffer driver
[08:18] <Gorth> crimsun, hmmm, weird. I haven't been able to reach for quite some time..
[08:19] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: comment out dh_strip
[08:19] <Gorth> i have no trouble with www.ubuntu.com
[08:19] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Gorth: I just loaded the bugzilla pages
[08:19] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: (in debian/rules)
[08:19] <farruinn> Gorth, they're different servers
[08:19] <Gorth> farruinn, aahh ok, i see..
[08:20] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: which graphics chipset do you use?
[08:20] <alkirk> Now here is my current problem: I installed the nvidia driver and it works with GDM when I log into GNOME it reverts to the framebuffer
[08:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: the gaim rules file is very short and includes two files from /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/
[08:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: do I have to find that in of of those?
[08:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) s/of/one/
[08:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) autotools.mk and debhelper.mk
[08:22] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: warty or hoary?
[08:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) also /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk
[08:22] <alkirk> Crimsun, nvidia
[08:22] <alkirk> warty
[08:22] <Gorth> are there currently any problems with gdesklets?
[08:23] <alkirk> hoary use X org?
[08:23] <hbillo> alkirk, I think so
[08:24] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: make sure /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 uses the nvidia driver
[08:24] (crimsun/#ubuntu) and yes, Hoary uses X.Org
[08:24] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: see /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[08:25] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: you'll notice there is a 'is_debug_package' variable
[08:25] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: I was wondering about that
[08:25] <alkirk> one moment while I check it out
[08:25] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: but I'm only familar w/ basic make
[08:25] <__daniel> hello
[08:25] <FTTP> hi
[08:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: so set that to.. 0 in the rules file?
[08:26] <osiris_22> how do i mount my ntfs partition?
[08:26] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: more than likely you need to export that variable after setting it to a non-zero value
[08:27] <__daniel> mount /dev/hd?? -t ntfs -o ro /mnt
[08:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: ok.. thanks.. I'll see how this goes
[08:28] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: you may find this helpful: https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS
[08:28] <osiris_22> it says contents cant be displayed
[08:29] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: thanks again
[08:31] <osiris_22> how do you update ubuntu? do you do it threw synaptic?
[08:31] <farruinn> sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:31] <Austron> im using synaptic
[08:32] (crimsun/#ubuntu) osiris_22: are you running warty? if so, only security fixes and non-invasive (and major) bugfixes will be merged
[08:33] <hbillo> hellow all
[08:33] <hbillo> is there a patch for the kernel
[08:33] <hbillo> in order to get my realtek ac'97 soundcard work
[08:33] <hbillo> ??
[08:33] <farruinn> huh, my synaptic is screwed up - doesn't display any packages
[08:33] <FTTP> wow veritas is now contributing
[08:34] <yohannes> is there any way i can backup my linux to a blank media?
[08:34] <FTTP> man, im looking at all the kernel contributors
[08:34] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: "now?"
[08:34] <yohannes> i mean the os' image
[08:34] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: try many years.
[08:34] (crimsun/#ubuntu) many, many years.
[08:34] <FTTP> crimsun:  veritas is huge now tho
[08:34] <farruinn> hm, so is dselect - only the packages I have installed or have removed are listed
[08:34] (crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: what model?
[08:34] <FTTP> crimsun:  tons of huge names in there
[08:36] <hbillo> crimsun, heu .. a realtek ac'97 the module is atiixp
[08:36] (crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: use the snd-atiixp module
[08:37] <hbillo> even with modprobe atiixp, modprobe snd-atiixp
[08:37] <hbillo> it doesn't work :(
[08:37] (crimsun/#ubuntu) you need a very recent version of alsa
[08:37] (crimsun/#ubuntu) at least 1.0.6a, preferrably 1.0.7, which was just released
[08:38] <FTTP> crimsun:  Oh wait veritas had a linux strategy back in 2000
[08:38] <hbillo> hmm .. I have the 1.0.5
[08:39] <hbillo> but apt-get install alsa doesn't propose me to install a newer version :(
[08:40] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I would suggest you grab alsa-source from sid
[08:40] (crimsun/#ubuntu) then you can build 1.0.6a using the instructions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian.gz
[08:40] <hbillo> okey thank you I will try to do this now
[08:41] <alkirk> My XF86Config file seems to have "nvidia" listed as a driver
[08:42] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: could you upload /var/log/XFree86.0.log from a successfully-logged in session to pastebin.com?
[08:42] <hbillo> crimsun, where can i get the alsa source for sid ?
[08:43] <alkirk> upload how?
[08:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: click the [All]  button on this page: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/alsa-source
[08:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: paste it onto pastebin.com
[08:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: or make the file available on a web site
[08:44] <alkirk> ok
[08:50] <hbillo> crimsun, where doest he uncompress it ? i don't find them ?
[08:50] (crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: it's placed in /usr/src/
[08:51] (crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: read the directions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian.gz
[08:51] <jobezone> hello, has anyone tried using the livecd in some way to be able to resize/create partitions?
[08:51] <hbillo> thank you, you're really nice :)
[08:54] <hbillo> crimsun, sorry but i can't read the .gz :( the cat doesn't work with, even text editors
[08:54] <farruinn> zmore
[08:54] <hbillo> (I'm really a beginner :\ )
[08:54] <farruinn> or zless
[08:54] <hbillo> thanxxxx
[08:55] (crimsun/#ubuntu) back in a bit.
[08:56] <BeanDip> hbillo, vim
[08:56] <BeanDip> or vi
[09:08] <osiris_22> lmao my friend is trying to install the linux version of winamp...
[09:08] <osiris_22> im laughen
[09:08] <b_e_n_z> osiris_22: what's so funny
[09:08] <osiris_22> cause he has no idea how to install files
[09:08] <osiris_22> and i wont help him
[09:08] <osiris_22> cause hes gacked
[09:12] (kremlyn/#ubuntu) hmm.
[09:12] (kremlyn/#ubuntu) osiris_22: Do you know what "Ubuntu" means?
[09:12] <hbillo> I have nothing in the /usr/src!! is that normal ???
[09:12] <osiris_22> no i dont.
[09:12] <osiris_22> why
[09:13] (kremlyn/#ubuntu) osiris_22: It means good will towards others, which you aren't exhibiting towards your friend ;-)
[09:13] <osiris_22> hes gacked
[09:13] <osiris_22> hes trashed man
[09:13] (kremlyn/#ubuntu) If you want to behave like that, go join #gentoo :-)
[09:13] <melanie> who tried apache with mono?
[09:13] <alkirk> do you mean less than sober?
[09:14] <b_e_n_z> melanie: you mean using apache/mono to serve ASP.NET pages?
[09:15] <melanie> b_e_n_z: yes, exactly.
[09:15] <osiris_22> dude. i tried to help him last night.. when he was trashed it was a chore
[09:15] <osiris_22> even on the phone
[09:15] <osiris_22> he needs to be sober
[09:15] <osiris_22> honestly
[09:15] <osiris_22> hes drinking coughsyrup
[09:15] <osiris_22> the drug in coughsyrup is a opiate analog.
[09:15] <b_e_n_z> melanie: i read that it works, but since i don't know ASP.NET and anything related to M$, i have no real experience with it
[09:16] <osiris_22> i hate it when he does that stuff man.. hes my hetero life mate i worry about him
[09:17] <melanie> b_e_n_z: but can you tell me how to install the apache addon?
[09:17] <Karnaugh> what_is_with_all_the_\_'s
[09:18] <Karnaugh> is_it_cool_?
[09:18] <b_e_n_z> melanie: i think the instructions are on the mono page... http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net.html
[09:19] <melanie> b_e_n_z: ok, i'll try. can you tell if there is a gui out there for configuring apache?
[09:21] <b_e_n_z> melanie: some people use webmin i believe... i don't... i use vi
[09:21] <__daniel> melanie: not really, but the installaion process should take care of most things
[09:23] <alkirk> crimsun, posted on pastebin
[09:24] <Karnaugh> melanie: you dont want to configure apache with a gui really
[09:24] <Karnaugh> melanie: it has many many options etc that a GUI wouldnt give justice too
[09:24] <Karnaugh> webmin is a hazard dont go that route
[09:25] <__daniel> alkirk: whats wrong?
[09:26] <alkirk> x / driver problems
[09:26] <__daniel> he doesnt find glcore
[09:26] <__daniel> so maybe you comment it out
[09:26] <Aikes> hi, i am having some problem with grub, was wondering if anyone could help me out? =)
[09:27] <alkirk> but why does it shove me into framebuffer after I login
[09:28] <Timaaah> morning
[09:28] <__daniel> morning Timaaah
[09:29] <|FalleN-AngeL|> hey, anyone here know how to get pppoe going in ubuntu?
[09:29] <__daniel> alkirk: if you want to change it: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver.xorg (you were using xorg, right?
[09:29] <alkirk> XFree86
[09:29] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: it works perfectly on my debian router... what's the problem?
[09:30] <__daniel> alkirk: then: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[09:30] <|FalleN-AngeL|> __daniel, is that with authentication from the machine itself, or from the router?
[09:30] <Aikes> does anyone know how to reinstall grub? coz i reinstall windowxp n grub not there no more
[09:31] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: i dont really understand your question
[09:31] <alkirk> what does the -plow switch do
[09:31] <__daniel> alkirk: tell you ALL the questions
[09:31] <Timaaah> __daniel :)
[09:31] <|FalleN-AngeL|> i have a billion 5100 modem running in bridged mode, i need ubuntu to handle the login information itself
[09:32] <Anima> does anyone know how to reinstall grub? coz i reinstall windowxp n grub not there no more
[09:32] <|FalleN-AngeL|> i have pon getting an ip, but the machine itself isn't getting any data
[09:32] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: does /var/log/syslog say something?
[09:33] <alkirk> was working with crimsun, who has appeared to have stepped away
[09:33] <labanux> hello everybody...
[09:33] <__daniel> hai labanux
[09:33] <labanux> __daniel: did you know about doom game on ubuntu?
[09:34] <alkirk> will give it another shot
[09:34] <labanux> __daniel: can't it played in Ubuntu?
[09:34] <__daniel> labanux: a recent doom or the "old" one?
[09:34] <farruinn> anybody know of something that will allow Sound Juicer to import mp3's from cd's?
[09:35] <labanux> __daniel: how about the recent one?
[09:35] <__daniel> labanux: i don't play those kind of games... but i guess it's possible *somehow*
[09:36] <|FalleN-AngeL|> __daniel, nothing out of the ordinary
[09:36] <Anima> could some1 help me ?
[09:36] <__daniel> farruinn: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:36] <__daniel> Anima: whats the problem?
[09:36] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: the device is set up?
[09:37] <|FalleN-AngeL|> yeah
[09:37] <|FalleN-AngeL|> i'm getting an ip
[09:37] <|FalleN-AngeL|> the machine just can't ping out or anything
[09:37] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: what does ping <IP_ADDRESS> say?
[09:37] <__daniel> hmmmmm... strange
[09:37] <__daniel> let me think
[09:37] <Anima> (__daniel): how do u reinstall grub? coz i reinstall windowxp n the grub menu gone
[09:37] <stuNNed> Anima, grub-install /dev/hda ?
[09:38] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: what does   route   say?
[09:38] <|FalleN-AngeL|> __daniel, just times out
[09:38] <Chibi> Once more before I go to bed, http://studiochibico.com/xfce/ubgirl.png , any comments?
[09:38] <|FalleN-AngeL|> absolutely nothing
[09:38] <Anima> stuNNed: how do i do that when i cant get into ubuntu?
[09:39] <stuNNed> Anima, don't know if ubuntu install disk has rescue mode or not
[09:39] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: does  plog   say something?
[09:39] <farruinn> Chibi, nice
[09:39] <farruinn> what's it for?
[09:39] <|FalleN-AngeL|> route says nothing at all
[09:39] <Chibi> It's just a rough sketch. I want to get a character together for ubuntu/anime fans. :P
[09:40] <|FalleN-AngeL|> plog says "not replacing default route to eth0"
[09:40] <__daniel> Chibi: make her look a bit more happy :_)
[09:40] <Chibi> Possibly for some wallpapers or something once the character is done
[09:40] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: it has 2 network cards?
[09:40] <Timaaah> argggh
[09:40] <Anima> (stuNNed): so do u know how i could reinstall grub if i cant boot into ubuntu?
[09:40] <Chibi> xfmedia. D: !
[09:41] <__daniel> Timaaah: beep-media-player, totem, rhythmbox, muine, xmms, ... :-)
[09:41] <Timaaah> Chibi, will give it a shot
[09:41] <|FalleN-AngeL|> no, i have eth0 and from there i've been running pppoe to get ppp0
[09:41] <|FalleN-AngeL|> only 1 nic
[09:41] <Timaaah> daniel, ta
[09:41] <stuNNed> Anima, is there a way to boot from livecd and chroot into your ubuntu install or do the same with ubuntu install cd?
[09:41] <Chibi> xfmedia is rather new. Beep would probably be better if you're just after audipo
[09:41] <Chibi> xfmedia is for people that hate everything else out there. :P
[09:42] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: i'm rather clueless :-(
[09:42] <Timaaah> heh
[09:42] <Anima> stuNNed: i can boot into ubuntu livecd after that wat do i do?
[09:42] <Anima> stuNNed: i am a noob to linux =)
[09:45] <stuNNed> Anima, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto and http://www.sysresccd.org/index.en.php come to mind.
[09:46] <Anima> thanks stuNNed i will go read it
[09:47] <stuNNed> Anima, np, the key is set up your chroot environment, then once done, chroot into it and run something like 'grub-install /dev/hda' or wherever your grub is installed.
[09:47] <alkirk> tried it and rebooted, no change
[09:48] <auk> anyone know how to set up 3ddesktop?
[09:48] <Anima> ok but what is chroot?
[09:48] <stuNNed> Anima, (ch)ange (root) as in change your root dir to whatever you want :)
[09:48] <stuNNed> Anima, root dir being /
[09:49] <Anima> oh ok, so its like instead of using the root from the livecd we set it to the one on the hard disk?
[09:49] <stuNNed> yes
[09:49] <stuNNed> exactly :)
[09:49] <Anima> oh ok
[09:50] <stuNNed> Anima, it's also good for security purposes, limiting a daemon or something other to a restricted dir with given needed files
[09:51] <Anima> er ok
[09:52] <mass> hmm, is it just me, or does the network configuration syspref under gnome require a root password and not a sudo password in order to work its magic?
[09:52] <Anima> stuNNed, how do i chroot when i am in livecd?
[09:52] <cenerentola> does someone know when mako will be avaible?
[09:52] <farruinn> mass, I'm able to use it w/o having enabled root
[09:53] <stuNNed> Anima, read that install from knoppix on the wiki, see if you can apply it to your ubuntu livecd, basically you mount things, set up proc, etc, then chroot in
[09:53] <Anima> hmmm ok
[09:55] <_kris_> anybody using a IBM laptop T42?
[09:55] <_kris_> (at has made PM work)
[09:58] <alkirk> __damiel, tried it and rebooted, no change
[09:58] <alkirk> __daniel, tried it and rebooted, no change
[09:59] <__daniel> alkirk: you changed the fb device question?
[10:00] <alkirk> what do you mean
[10:00] <alkirk> ?
[10:01] <__daniel> alkirk: didnt it ask for the use of a framebuffer device?
[10:01] <alkirk> what should I put?
[10:01] <__daniel> change it from yes to no or vice versa
[10:01] <alkirk> I think I tried no this time
[10:02] <__daniel> alkirk: do you get any error message?
[10:03] <alkirk> when I run the program? I don't thinkso
[10:03] <__daniel> alkirk: when you run the xserver
[10:04] <alkirk> I run it from within GDM
[10:05] <__daniel> alkirk: what does grep -E "\(EE|WW\)" /var/log/XFree86.0.log give you?
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:         (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" does not exist.
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID".
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) Warning, couldn't open module GLcore
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0)
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) NVIDIA(0): Failure reading EDID parameters for display device CRT-0
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "576x384":
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) NVIDIA(0):   horizontal sync start (589) not a multiple of 8
[10:07] <alkirk> grep: give: No such file or directory
[10:07] <alkirk> grep: you?: No such file or directory
[10:07] <Karnaugh> hello?
[10:07] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) alkirk: PLEASE use www.pastebin.com
[10:07] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) alkirk: don't past huge amounts of stuff on the channel
[10:07] <__daniel> alkirk: try to comment out glcore
[10:07] <Karnaugh> looks like your X11 instalation is seriously borked
[10:07] <__daniel> or use dpkg-reconfigure again
[10:08] <__daniel> Karnaugh: it isnt
[10:08] <Karnaugh> The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist. ??
[10:08] <__daniel> Karnaugh: it's just a warning...
[10:08] <__daniel> the only problem is: "Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0)"
[10:09] <__daniel> so comment it out or uncheck the checkbox in dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[10:09] <alkirk> why doesn't "GLcore" exist?
[10:11] <__daniel> *shrug*
[10:12] <__daniel> comment it out
[10:12] <Karnaugh> thats totaly the solution
[10:12] <karakth> Why is sun's java 2 sdk so huge and Blackdown's not? Is sun better for java than Blackdown?
[10:13] <b_e_n_z> sun jdk is slower than blackdown jdk in my experience
[10:13] <b_e_n_z> at least for 1.4.x
[10:13] <alkirk> one more time
[10:13] <Karnaugh> karakth: because the Blackdown does not have a complete implementation
[10:13] <b_e_n_z> not sure about 1.5
[10:14] <b_e_n_z> Karnaugh: no, i think the sun jdk comes with a bunch of demo's whereas the blackdown jdk doesn't
[10:15] <b_e_n_z> karakth: depending on what you want to do with java but BEA jrockit is the fastest jvm on this planet if you have >= 1Gb memory
[10:15] <karakth> I also couldn't install javaws with Blackdown.
[10:16] <karakth> java web start doesn't recognize a Blackdown installation, I think.
[10:18] <Ruffian|JANE|> http://img25.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img25&image=hellocurtis.jpg
[10:18] <Karnaugh> b_e_n_z: the jdk yes
[10:19] <Karnaugh> the actual implementation has less features than the sun VM afaik
[10:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) how can I detect if a binary was stripped?
[10:20] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) use 'file' on it
[10:20] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) it'll tell you 'stripped' if it's stripped
[10:20] <b_e_n_z> GammaRay: file <file>?
[10:20] <Ruffian|JANE|> hp?loc=img25&image=hellocurtis.jpg
[10:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) thanks
[10:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> http://img25.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img25&image=hellocurtis.jpg
[10:28] <rexiboy> hey guys
[10:28] <__daniel> hai rexiboy
[10:29] <rexiboy> what is the differace between ubuntu kernel and ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-3 amd64-generic?
[10:29] <rexiboy> why is the ubuntu on e the default boot?
[10:29] <alkirk> no longer get the "GLcore" error
[10:30] <__daniel> alkirk: does it work?
[10:30] <alkirk> same result
[10:30] <__daniel> alkirk: so it doesnt start up?
[10:31] <__daniel> alkirk: past    grep -E "\(EE|WW\)" /var/log/XFree86.?.log     in #flood
[10:32] <alkirk> It starts up with the GDM login screen using the nvidia driver but switches to the "fb" driver once I'm logged in
[10:33] <__daniel> alkirk: how can you tell?
[10:33] <__daniel> alkirk: and whats wrong with that?
[10:34] <rexiboy> any 1?
[10:34] <alkirk> I get the nvidia spash screen wit GDM and I get a 48.3kHz 60 screen when logged in
[10:35] <alkirk> 60Hz
[10:35] <alkirk> My settings request a 75 Hz vert
[10:36] <__daniel> alkirk: hmmmm, sorry... can't help you with that
[10:36] <__daniel> alkirk: don't know how to change those values
[10:37] <alkirk> Why would the driver change at all on login?
[10:37] <alkirk> Why should the driver change at all on login?
[10:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) the driver doesn't change
[10:39] <alkirk> http://pastebin.com/121912
[10:40] <b_e_n_z> alkirk: disable EDID
[10:40] <alkirk> What's EDID?
[10:40] <b_e_n_z> alkirk: read the docs that come with the nvidia driver
[10:41] <b_e_n_z> alkirk: it tells you how to enable/disable it
[10:42] <rexiboy> what is the differance between ubuntu kernel and ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-3 amd64-generic?
[10:43] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm trying to recompile gaim w/ debugging, no optimization and so it's not stripped. I know it's rules file uses CDBS but I don't know how to set any of these things. Any help?
[10:46] <__daniel> GammaRay: can't you supply it with a "strip" command anywhere?
[10:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: I'm trying to make sure it's *not* stripped.
[10:49] <__daniel> ah... well there was something in the wikipage someone suggested
[10:49] <__daniel> but it was about .py files not being stripped
[10:50] <__daniel> GammaRay: https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS
[10:50] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I've seen that...
[10:51] <__daniel> GammaRay: you also saw that   .py  remark?
[10:51] <nab_> hello
[10:52] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: ofcourse.. what's your point?
[10:52] <nab_> Is anyone using Kylix with ubuntu?
[10:52] <__daniel> GammaRay: or just   apt-get source <bla-dbg> and look it up in their /debian/ directory
[10:52] <__daniel> GammaRay: i just thought, if they preserve .py-files from being stripped, you could do it with your binary
[10:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: I would hope so.. I've been trying for a while. setting all sorts of env variables
[10:54] <alakdan> hello, just wondering if its possible to automatically start gaim whenever I log in using gnome?
[10:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hmm well it seems I was able to do it
[10:54] <__daniel> *CONGRATULATE*
[10:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) no wonder dpkg -i took so long
[10:55] <__daniel> alakdan: keep it open and save your session on logout
[10:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) w00t.. now gdb works
[10:55] <alakdan> __daniel: any other way aside from saving sessions?
[10:55] <__daniel> alakdan: it just works at my place
[10:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) of line 560 of gaims source:
[10:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) 592     /* FUCKING GET ME A TOWEL! */
[10:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) err 592 rather (-;
[10:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) first thing I saw...
[10:56] <__daniel> ;-)
[11:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) alakdan: in the session properties you can add commands
[11:01] <alakdan> GammaRay: got it, thanks :)
[11:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) brushing w/ baking soda is a bitch
[11:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) in addition to tasking the asidic basking soda
[11:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) in addition to tasking the acidic baking soda...
[11:07] (alexissoft/#ubuntu) hi
[11:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) you taste the stuff coming off your teeth
[11:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) s/tasking/tasting
[11:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) damn...  I need a smaller enter key.. it makes me do things
[11:08] <paspourtoi> heh - baking soda is alkaline actually ;)
[11:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) paspourtoi: so how would you describe the taste :-P
[11:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) other than.. salty
[11:13] <paspourtoi> GammaRay: indescribably awful?  (Scientific term )  ;-)
[11:14] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) works for me.. but I'm out of tooth paste
[11:16] <paspourtoi> GammaRay: ah well - the dentists tell me it's the brushing that matters anyway
[11:18] <nab_> can i just download that Kylix and install it?
[11:18] <nab_> any experience with that?
[11:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) http://www.fluoridealert.org/
[11:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) lol
[11:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) and to think I was just looking up the proper spelling
[11:32] <werewolf> Hi all, how to install swat on ubuntu 4.10? there is dependecies problem :(
[11:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) what's swat?
[11:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) werewolf: how did you try to install it?
[11:33] <paspourtoi> Samba Web Administration Tool
[11:33] <_kris_> samba web administration tool
[11:34] <paspourtoi> it should be in the repositories (Debian has it anyway)
[11:34] <_kris_> :)
[11:34] <paspourtoi> heheh
[11:34] <paspourtoi> @_@
[11:34] <_kris_> it comes with samba
[11:35] <freakabcd> hi all
[11:35] <freakabcd> CDs shipping now, i guess..
[11:35] <freakabcd> i'm eagerly waiting for mine to arrive :)
[11:36] <freakabcd> anybody in Australia received them yet?
[11:36] (crimsun/#ubuntu) 265 is a goodly #
[11:36] <freakabcd> heh
[11:37] <werewolf> last samba package is 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2, but swat depends on samba=3.0.7-1ubuntu6 :(
[11:37] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) hmm
[11:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) I'd file a bug for that
[11:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) it should depend on a less specific version]
[11:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) 6.2 is the security-updated version..
[11:38] <paspourtoi> werewolf: you realise swat wipes allthr useful comments from you conf file?
[11:39] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) paspourtoi: you could copy it somewhere safe before installing swat
[11:39] <paspourtoi> werewolf: maybe use webmin instead as a work around
[11:39] <paspourtoi> Treenaks: true :)
[11:39] <werewolf> paspourtoi: yes, but it's so easy, and is a good start point
[11:40] <werewolf> paspourtoi: mmm, I dislike install to many service (speaking about webmin)
[11:59] <dabbish1> Anyone know if there are any issues with nvidia and ubuntu
[12:01] <paspourtoi> dabbish1: look for the binary drivers howto on the ubuntu site
[12:02] <humbo> ubuntuforums.org stopped working for anyone else?
[12:02] <pl0vs> dabbish1, i stopped using them, they made my computer unstable
[12:03] <pl0vs> dabbish1, the nv driver works ok for me
[12:04] <humbo> I'm using nv too, the official nvidia driver seemed to have problems.
[12:05] <humbo> ubuntuforums.org isn't even responding to ping
[12:05] <re_ubu> hello everyone, I have a strange bug here. It's a toshiba m30 with warty
[12:06] <re_ubu> I have keyboard repetitions.
[12:06] <re_ubu> weird, and keyb delay is well set
[12:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) humbo: give it a few hours.
[12:08] <humbo> has it done this before, crimsun?
[12:08] <re_ubu> I've found
[12:08] <re_ubu> it's a toshiba issue.
[12:08] <re_ubu> tanks
[12:08] <tkooda> hello all,  can someone give me their opinion on why someone might want to run ubuntu instead of debian?
[12:09] <humbo> I've never run debian, so I'm not much help in that respect.
[12:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) tkooda: Because ubuntu provides a much nicer and integreated desktop right out of the box, also includes a 6 monthly release, commercial support and more up to date software than debian.
[12:09] <dabbish1> out of the box I just get garbled output
[12:09] (crimsun/#ubuntu) humbo: ocassional downtime, unforeseen circumstances, so forth
[12:09] <pl0vs> tkooda, ubuntu is easier to install, has a nicer integrated gnome-desktop by default
[12:09] <tkooda> Lathiat, more up to date than, say sarge?
[12:10] (crimsun/#ubuntu) the development branch is definitely more current than sarge
[12:10] (crimsun/#ubuntu) stable branch of course is frozen completely
[12:10] <will> definatly!
[12:10] <tkooda> Lathiat/pl0vs, what do you mean a "more intergrated gnome-desktop"?  (how is it more "ingergrated" than, say, a sarge gnome install?)
[12:10] <humbo> dabbish1: when does this appear? Do you see the text bootup first, or is there no display at all?
[12:11] (crimsun/#ubuntu) tkooda: the gnome desktop is much more streamlined in ubuntu
[12:11] <will> tkooda: were not forcing you....just check it out yourself any you will see :)
[12:11] (crimsun/#ubuntu) tkooda: the menus are cleaned up and are much less confusing
[12:11] <tkooda> will, I didn't suggest someone was forcing me.  I came to ask what you knew about it.
[12:11] <humbo> ubuntu appears to be built around gnome, it specialises in it.
[12:11] <tkooda> humbo, what do you mean specialises?
[12:12] <tkooda> so it's got newer packages in the stable release, and has a better default gnome config?
[12:12] <will> tkooda:yes but no one here will force you i meant, cos were all lovely ubuntu'ers
[12:13] <tkooda> does ubuntu use any (unmodified) debian packages?
[12:14] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) tkooda: yes, the universe and multiverse archives are direct from debian
[12:14] <daniels> tkooda: yes
[12:14] <daniels> tkooda: whatever we didn't change
[12:14] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) tkooda: because a) i have gnome working out of the box, b) i have hal, gnome-volume-manager etc
[12:14] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and an incredibly cool team of people working on it :)
[12:14] <tkooda> can someone please explain how the part about allowing any developer to modify any package works?  -wouldn't that lead to developer infighting?
[12:15] <will> too much choice for software, i feel debian-based dpkg is very powerful
[12:15] <tkooda> ..or perhaps lead to stability problems if not all developers are equally skilled?
[12:17] <daniels> tkooda: uh, no
[12:17] <daniels> tkooda: i know all the development team and we get along quite well
[12:17] <daniels> obviously we disagree on technical matters at some points, but we're all old enough to get over it
[12:18] <fabbione> s/old/good
[12:18] <fabbione> daniels: you are still our little "kid"
[12:18] <daniels> fabbione: ber
[12:18] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) haha
[12:18] <daniels> tkooda: see?  if I wasn't old enough to wear that, I would've hit fabbione by now ;)
[12:19] <daniels> fabbione: you're just jealous of my years of experience with Debian
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) or maybe your just too small to get up and hit him :)
[12:19] <fabbione> daniels: no.. i am just jalous for not being 18
[12:19] <GuyverXT9> I are looking for GammaRay, also answers to "dom poes","robert mugabe" or "mark shuttleworth"
[12:19] <tkooda> daniels, so how are package disputes solved?  (i.e. when devlopers disagree about a change/fix)
[12:20] <fabbione> tkooda: who hits faster and harder win :-)))
[12:20] <fabbione> tkooda: justs kidding ;)
[12:20] <tkooda> I'm not convinced a distro can work on just the premesis that "all developers love eachother".  :P
[12:20] <daniels> fabbione: so I hit faster and harder on X? :)
[12:20] <daniels> tkooda: well, if someone can't cope with the idea of solving disputes through communication, then that's a pretty big red flag for them to join, obviously
[12:20] <daniels> tkooda: we just talk it out rationally
[12:20] <daniels> then there's a round of jelly wrestling
[12:21] <tkooda> heh
[12:21] <__daniel> and if people still dont like daniels' ideas he tortures them with "hassel the hoff"
[12:22] <tkooda> daniels, I see.  but even rational people will disagree from time to time.  are there procedures in place to solve conflicts that can't be resolved via handolding and singing songs?  ;P
[12:22] <daniels> tkooda: of course we disagree from time to time
[12:22] <Gmail> if i where to to install java where should i install it
[12:22] <daniels> tkooda: there is a decision-making chain also -- mdz is distro leader (although Kamion is our cheap imitation mdz while Matt's on holiday)
[12:22] <sivang> hi fabbione,daniels :)
[12:23] <fabbione> hey sivang
[12:23] <daniels> sivang: yo dude
[12:23] <tkooda> oooh, you didn't mention mdz before, heh.  I'm sold.  :)
[12:23] <sivang> daniels : You better Kamion didn't hear you hehe :)
[12:23] <tkooda> was ubuntu mdz's brainchild?
[12:23] <daniels> tkooda: nope
[12:24] <Gmail> daniels: is the type of guy that know the answer to my question (which doesn't have a question mark)
[12:24] <daniels> Gmail: i don't even know the answer to that question, if it actually was one
[12:24] <daniels> maybe if I understood it, I'd have a better chance at answering
[12:24] <Gmail> should i put it in /usr/local/java
[12:25] <Gmail> i am installing java (from the sun tarball) where should i install it
[12:25] <Gmail> ?
[12:25] <bam> Hi
[12:26] <bam> I've got a problem, I'm totaly new to ubuntu, I'm from belgium
[12:26] <tkooda> I think I get the gist of ubuntu now..  would it be fair to summarize ubuntu (as compared to debian stable) as having "faster, predictable, release cycle with more up-to-date packages; and some measure of more emphasis on the gnome desktop; ..and leaves behind any old developer-infighting-fustration that may have accumulated amoungst debian developers who disagree" ?
[12:27] <sivang> Gmail : you should have it installed under your /home/$user - this is supported by the java tarballs
[12:27] <the_one> hi
[12:27] <nonajme> hi the_one
[12:27] <sivang> Gmail : that way you won't taint your system, and be able to neatly remove when you suddenly want to :)
[12:27] <bam> I've downloaded the cd for my A64 ( yes the I have downloaded the 64 bit pacage ) After i have booted from cd, and ubuntu did some thing i don't know
[12:27] <bam> I had to select the partition
[12:27] <Gmail> sivang: but i want it system wide
[12:27] <sivang> Gmail : just make classpath= and jdk= point to the right places.
[12:28] <Gmail> ok
[12:28] <bam> Now i want to use Windows AND linux in the beginning , so i made two partitions, 65 gigabyte for windows + other stuff and a 16GB for ubuntu
[12:28] <sivang> Gmail : it can be used system wide like this, just put the right envars in a system wide location, just leave the actual execs on your home folder./
[12:28] <Gmail> so $home/.java
[12:28] <the_one> I'd like to install the tahoma font in ubuntu, could I just copy it from the windows partition, if so, how? I need to have root access, so it must be done over the command line. Or is there a font-installation utility in gnome already?
[12:28] <tkooda> I guess I never was very privy to any large-scale debian developer conflict that needed to be solved by forking another distro.
[12:28] <bam> But i don't know what to choose in the partition mangager
[12:28] <sivang> Gmail : yes, I think there is something on the web the explains how to do that.
[12:28] <bam> i can choose ' wisselbestand... '
[12:28] <__daniel> bye
[12:28] <Gmail> sivang: no it can't i don't allow other user into my home folder
[12:29] <tkooda> I do understand the desire to have more up-to-date pacakges in stable thou..
[12:29] <sivang> Gmail : I myself have a working installation of NetBeans, together with an install of the jdk under my home
[12:29] <the_one> anyone?
[12:29] <sivang> Gmail : All other users have only exec permissioss to it, and you can also make a symlink from somewhere in /usr...
[12:30] <sivang> Gmail : but if you wat to have a system wide install, lemme check something.
[12:30] <the_one> let me rephrase.. how do I install a ttf font in ubuntu?
[12:30] <Gmail> sivang: i have set it up that that will not happen on my network
[12:30] <sivang> Gmail : (there supposed to be somewhere on an inofficial debian archive some debs)
[12:30] <Gmail> sivang: yea of blackdown 1.4
[12:31] <sivang> Gmail : on the debian-marriliat ?
[12:31] <paspourtoi> the_one: start with sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[12:31] <bam> Can someone help me?
[12:31] <the_one> paspourtoi: I did that, but tahoma is not included
[12:31] <paspourtoi> ah
[12:31] <Gmail> i am having problems with a program so i need to use sun 1.5
[12:32] <Gmail> sivang: its says 2 mirrors in the FAQ
[12:32] <bam> hmmmmmm, the FAQ is big, is there a FAQ for installing ubuntu 64b?
[12:33] <Gmail> bam: the FAQ are in the FAQ the rest is in the wiki
[12:34] <bam> ye i just found it
[12:34] <bam> hmm
[12:34] <bam> i read something for the swap
[12:34] <cardador> the_one: write fonts:// in nautilus, then drag and drop tahoma in there
[12:34] <bam> is 1 partition not enough?
[12:35] <bam> how many partitions do you guys advise? and how big ?
[12:35] <cardador> bam: ubuntu installer can take care of that for you
[12:36] <cardador> bam: normally 2 partitions: swap with 2 x your ram, and the other with what size you want
[12:36] <eim> Hello folks, I'm currently installing Warty on my x86 workstation -- I own an 80GB IDE HDD and I'm planing how to partition the fs. Which size should be the /boot partition? ~40MB? Thanks.
[12:36] <the_one> cardador: I would do that, but I don't have the permissions, I tried to log in as root after re-enabling the root account in order to do this, but it won't log me in
[12:36] <mirak> hi
[12:36] <Gmail> cardador: not any more
[12:36] <eim> I think also 20MB for /boot should suffice.
[12:37] <mirak> is there a good tool to do data synchronisation between two computer ?
[12:37] <cardador> the_one: just drop the font in there, after restarting X tahoma will be available
[12:37] <Gmail> cardador: a swap of 100MB should do with the ammount of ram people have these days
[12:37] <bam> ok thanks people
[12:37] <bam> i'm printing a part of the faq now ^^
[12:37] <cardador> Gmail: so its a disavantage to have more than 100??
[12:37] <the_one> cardador: will try
[12:37] <Gmail> bam: you read what i said
[12:37] <eim> Gmail: I heard about the fact the swap should be at least the double of your RAM.
[12:38] <Gmail> cardador: yes
[12:38] <mirak> eim: when we had only 128 meg of ram or even 64 yes
[12:38] <bam> cardador and Gmail thanks !
[12:38] <Gmail> eim: if you have less than 128mb
[12:38] <eim> mirak: unison is what I use to sync my home.
[12:38] <cardador> Gmail: why is that? i read the same as eim
[12:38] <bam> let's make thos partitions ^^
[12:38] <mirak> eim: but if you have 1G of ram you will not use 2G of swap :
[12:38] <mirak> !
[12:38] <one_2_one> hy
[12:38] <mirak> eim: thanks I check that
[12:38] <eim> mirak: I have 512MB of RAM so 1024 of SWAP should be ok, IMHO.
[12:38] <one_2_one> any ppc user here ?
[12:38] <mirak> eim: is it possible to use it with cron ?
[12:39] <eim> mirak: Sure, it's a CLI tool.
[12:39] <mirak> eim: that's to much I think
[12:39] <Gmail> cardador: because it was a rule when hdd where faster than ram and hardly any ram
[12:39] <eim> mirak: I'm away. We'll continue discussion later.
[12:39] <mirak> eim: I mean 1G of swap is for using oracle or uge servers I think
[12:39] <mirak> eim: bye
[12:39] <the_one> cardador: I dragged them into fonts:/// but they don't show in there
[12:40] <mirak> Gmail: hdd faster than ram ? :) no
[12:40] <cardador> Gmail: so now i have 512 of swap, with 1024 of ram. what would be the best for me?
[12:40] <cardador> the_one: dont worry, restart x and itll be in there
[12:40] <mirak> cardador: I have 512 of swap for 512 of ram, it's fine
[12:40] <the_one> cardador: ok, thanx, hope'll work
[12:40] <one_2_one> Ubuntu ppc have hfs support ? and about software where i can see the avaliabe soft for ubuntu
[12:40] <the_one> rebooting...
[12:40] <setcreative> Hey folks, I'm having a nightmare of a time trying to get a SATA/NTFS drive to mount.  I'm trying to migrate away from WinXP Pro and need to be able to get at two SATA disks with a single large NTFS partition on each.  I have my PATA NTFS partitions mounted OK, but the SATA ones won't mount.
[12:40] <one_2_one> *hfs++
[12:40] <cardador> not reboot!
[12:41] <cardador> ups
[12:41] <bam> ^^
[12:42] <bam> It's my first time that I try linux
[12:42] <will> who uses eSound output here for listening to music?
[12:42] <bam> how old are you guys?
[12:42] <paspourtoi> bam: ancient
[12:42] <cardador> bam: why is it relevant? (im 8 btw ;))
[12:43] <jordi> 8!
[12:43] <cardador> eheh
[12:43] <Gmail> mirak: at one point of time yes
[12:44] <Gmail> cardador: make it 100MB of swap (unless you need more memery which is unlikely unless you a server)
[12:44] <setcreative> Anybody here know anything about SATA?  Particularly as applies to nVidia chipsets - it's an nforce3 250gb (MSI K8N Neo Platinum) controller.  I seem to be having all kinds of hell with Linux - Mandrake, Fedora and Mepis won't install, only Ubuntu, and it won't mount my SATA drives.
[12:45] <cardador> Gmail: so can i convert my 512 swap to 100? and how do i do it?
[12:46] <Gmail> cardador: if it already there don't worry unless you need more space
[12:46] <cardador> Gmail: ok,  but ill keep that in mind when i need to install ubuntu somewhere
[12:48] <m00se> hi
[12:48] <Adrenal> i am running an amd 2500. Which cpu setting should i be running, and how do i add it?
[12:48] <Adrenal> hey by the way
[12:49] <m00se> i have a problem with printing from evolution in hoary. it always prints extra blank page, anyone has similar problems?
[12:49] <Adrenal> anyone?
[12:50] <bam> eu
[12:50] <bam> i don't know :s
[12:50] <bam> i'm new to this
[12:50] <Adrenal> dang
[12:50] <m00se> Adrenal, what cpu settings?
[12:50] <Adrenal> when u start up, in grub
[12:51] <paspourtoi> Adrenal: I wasn't aware any such setting was required
[12:51] <Adrenal> the number after the os, eg 386
[12:51] <Adrenal> how do i change that to the one corrosponding with my actual cpu?
[12:51] <m00se> install linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7
[12:51] <Adrenal> or is there little point doing so?
[12:51] <paspourtoi> ?
[12:51] <cardador> Adrenal: open synaptic and search for linux-image
[12:51] <Adrenal> kk
[12:51] <m00se> it should be your default kernel in grub
[12:52] <Adrenal> my default kernal is 386
[12:52] <m00se> when you have -k7 working you can remove -i386
[12:52] <bam> em, is there a music player in ubuntu? that reads .mp3's from my windows directory
[12:52] <Adrenal> ah, thanks
[12:52] <cardador> bam: rythmbox
[12:52] <bam> ok
[12:52] <bam> is it in ubuntu or it it on the internet?
[12:52] <cardador> bam: its the music player from the menu
[12:52] <bam> ok :)
[12:53] <Adrenal> and do i get rid of the old 386 version?
[12:53] <cardador> bam: applications > multimedia > music player
[12:53] <one_2_one> where can i see the avaliable soft for ubuntu or i can install .deb on ubuntu ?
[12:53] <bam> ok
[12:53] <cardador> Adrenal: dont worry about that
[12:53] <bam> i'm realy new, i've seen some screenshots of my friend in suse
[12:53] <Adrenal> but if i don't, won't there be like 4 os' on my startup?
[12:54] <cardador> Adrenal: if you have a menu entry on computer > syst conf > boot, then its easy
[12:54] <bam> after installing ubuntu, is it autmatical grafical or is it in the console
[12:54] <cardador> Adrenal: but im not sure if it is on warty
[12:54] <bam> ( sorry , my englisch isn't that good 14y )
[12:54] <cardador> bam: graphical
[12:54] <paspourtoi> Adrenal: extra kernels don't take up much space :)
[12:54] <bam> aah :D that's fine
[12:54] <Gmail> YourNickHere: /nick YourNickHere
[12:54] <bam> i'm going for dinner, bye !
[12:55] <cardador> ahah bam-food
[12:55] <Slackman> hey guys, on boot the *configure network interfaces seems to take for ever
[12:55] <Slackman> any ideas why?
[12:56] <cardador> Slackman: does it hang on something like "syncronizing with npt clock"?
[12:56] <m00se> Slackman, or it looks for dhcp server
[12:56] <YourNickHere> hello
[12:56] <Slackman> cardador, nah
[12:57] <Slackman> m00se, hmm is there a daemon that does a dhcp lookup if a network cable is plugged in later... ?
[12:58] <Slackman> i.e can i get rid of that script on start up
[12:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: does ubuntu come with anything to manage dialup (gnome gui wise)
[12:58] <daniels> Lathiat: there's a gnome ppp dialer thingy
[12:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: i mean on the disk
[12:59] <daniels> but I don't know how well that actually *manages* connections
[12:59] <daniels> i think you need pppconfig
[12:59] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) cus i installed gnome-ppp
[12:59] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) seems pretty nice
[12:59] <Slackman> daniels, does that work for usb dsl modems too?
[01:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) if i can find the usb cable for my mobile
[01:00] <daniels> Slackman: i think that's pppoeconf
[01:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i was chatting on irc driving down the freeway today , such a geek :)
[01:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) its cool the three 3G gprs only has like 200ms rtt, as opposed to GSM gprs whcih is usually 700-1000ms - so ssh is nicely usable
[01:01] <Slackman> daniels, carp...UK uses PPPOA ...i have it configured via a script, but i was hoping there was a gui tool so i could let my gf use linux
[01:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Lathiat: nice..
[01:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) albeit at 0.4c/kb making it 2c just to open the ssh session :)
[01:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Lathiat: too bad my operator doesn't do 3G yet :(
[01:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Treenaks: heh
[01:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) though they're "working on it"
[01:01] <daniels> Slackman: i'm honestly not sure -- maybe there is.  i've just never had to use pppoe myself.
[01:01] <daniels> Lathiat: on irc ... while *driving*?
[01:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: oh mum was driving, not me :)
[01:01] <Slackman> daniels, thanks
[01:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) daniels: wouldn't that be cool? :)
[01:02] <m00se> Slackman, there is no dhcp daemon, dhcp client is launched only one during system start
[01:02] <gr13> hello! could anybody help me with login in ubuntu?
[01:02] <daniels> Treenaks: until you crash
[01:02] <FartClone> hello room
[01:02] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) daniels: text-to-speech, speech-to-text
[01:02] <FartClone> my "locate" doesn't seem to work
[01:03] <paspourtoi> FartClone: sudo updatedb
[01:03] <FartClone> ah of course
[01:03] <m00se> Slackman, you can check in /etc/network/interfaces if you have dhcp enabled
[01:03] <cardador> gr13: just ask
[01:03] <Slackman> m00se, k thanks i'll check it
[01:04] <bar1> hello i can't login to my synaptic packet manager
[01:05] <cardador> bar1: why?
[01:05] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: hrmm, well if it dropped to the tray itd be half-decent
[01:05] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) having a window floating around kinda sucks
[01:05] <bar1> my root password is asked and its allways wrong while it works perfect with the sudo command
[01:06] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) bar1: You need to use *your* password with synpatic
[01:06] <bar1> i have typed every password i ever used in ubuntu nothing works
[01:06] <m00se> daniels, why do maximized windows in gnome cover panels with xcompmgr enabled?
[01:07] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) bar1: how are you opening synaptic?
[01:07] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) m00se: because xcompmgr is a hack
[01:07] <Juerd> Can someone guide me through downloading sources for debian-installer?
[01:07] <m00se> lamont, ah, ok :)
[01:07] <Juerd> There's no source tarball, no source debian package
[01:07] <bar1> computer->system configuration->synaptic
[01:07] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) killing metacity after starting xcompmgr helps moalot of things
[01:07] <daniels> m00se: because xcompmgr doesn't understand the hints correctly
[01:07] <m00se> s/lamont/Lathiat
[01:07] <Juerd> There is a svn repository, but I don't know how to get things off there
[01:08] <sluDGeT> hello to everyone! got a problem:) i've upgraded the system and a new samba came. I've workaround that /etc/rc2.d/S91samba symlink problem. But now, when I want to enable samba to browse home directories it gives an error like NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME ? any suggestions? I don't if it was working before I've updated. I've just tried this
[01:08] <setcreative> Damn.  Doing some reading it looks like the only way to get Ubuntu's kernel version working with an NVidia SATA chipset is to recompile the kernel.  I'm going to have to read about this a whole lot more :(  Not the nicest intro to Linux...
[01:09] <cardador> m00se: kill gnome-panel
[01:09] <sluDGeT> it's giving the error when i try it with smbclient , when i try from nautilus, it says it cant find it, and maybe it's deleted :)
[01:10] <xukun> sluDGeT: If I where you I would try #samba
[01:10] <marcus|> setcreative: It worked out of the box on my nforce3.
[01:11] <m00se> does ubuntu support installation on SATA drives (with nforce3 controller)?
[01:11] <setcreative> Marcus: Really?  Why is everybody saying that it doesn't work on the 2.6.8 kernel version over at AMD Zone?
[01:11] <setcreative> I don't need to install to a SATA drive, just to mount an NTFS one
[01:11] <xukun> any one of you guys using nx or freenx?
[01:12] <m00se> cardador, thx, i'll try that
[01:12] <cardador> xukun: i tried freenx but cant connect to it
[01:13] <marcus|> setcreative: I dunno. I just booted the CD and installed on it. I used gentoo with 2.6.8 for some time too.
[01:13] <bar1> this is the fault i get when i want to start the synaptic: Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root:
[01:13] <bar1>  Child terminated with 1 status
[01:14] <opi> hi there
[01:14] <setcreative> I'd just assumed that the nf3 SATA thing was the problem since virtually every distro I've tried other than Ubuntu basically just won't work, and there's really very little else in the machine other than an nf3 250gb chipset, a bunch of disks, sound card and video card. Fedora won't even get as far as the media tester, Mandrake hits incredible speedbumps and Mepis can't write the bootloader.
[01:15] <sluDGeT> xukun: thanks :) i'll try
[01:15] <setcreative> marcus: What does your fstab line for that SATA disk look like?
[01:16] <marcus|> /dev/sda3       /               reiserfs defaults        0       1
[01:16] <marcus|> /dev/sda1       /boot           ext2    defaults        0       2
[01:16] <marcus|> Dont you mean dmesg?
[01:17] <xukun> setcreative: did you have only sata disks on your system?
[01:17] <setcreative> xukun: Nope, only two.  One PATA, two SATA.  OS is installed on PATA.
[01:18] <xukun> setcreative: so what is the problem?
[01:18] <marcus|> I only have one SATA disk.
[01:18] <setcreative> xukun: Can't mount the SATA NTFS partitions
[01:19] <setcreative> xukun: I may be doing something really daft, but I get a message like so: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sd(whatever), or too many mounted file systems
[01:19] <setcreative> ... yet a virtually identical (apart from the device) line in fstab is mounting the partitions on my PATA drive OK.
[01:20] (mjr/#ubuntu) can you see the SATA disks? For example, with fdisk /dev/sda
[01:20] <marcus|> Gnome VFS hasnt mounted them then?
[01:21] <setcreative> root@ubuntu:/home/finn # fdisk /dev/sda - The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 310101. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, and could in certain setups cause problems with: 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO) 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs  (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK) Command (m for help):
[01:22] (mjr/#ubuntu) setcreative, "p" for print
[01:22] (mjr/#ubuntu) does it show something that looks like the correct partitioning
[01:22] <bar1> i've tried to open everyting where you need to be a root like synaptic, network, users and groups. and nothing works with *my* password the same i give in when i log in.
[01:23] <setcreative> mjr: I think you might have just got it.    Missed the "1" off of "sda1".  Thanks everybody, you've helped me realise my true status in life :D
[01:24] <xukun> setcreative: :)
[01:24] <bar1> no i'm not
[01:24] <xukun> setcreative: good for you
[01:25] <xukun> cardador: about freenx, which errors?
[01:25] <setcreative> now, I'm off to bed.  Thanks a heap for the help, but it's about 2am here and I need to work tomorrow.  I'm now officially free of Windows XP (apart from for audio use, but what can you do?), so I'm happy.
[01:25] <cardador> xukun: the other pcs are not authorized to connect
[01:25] <m00se> setcreative, i often make similar mistake when running fdisk e.g. fdisk /dev/hda1 instead of /dev/hda :)
[01:25] <bar1> wait i dont know what i run i got this disk from a friend
[01:26] <cardador> bar1: warty is the released version of Ubuntu :)
[01:26] <cardador> bar1: then there is an under development one, hoary
[01:27] <tim1> bar1: cat /etc/issue
[01:27] <tim1> shows what you're running
[01:27] <aaroncuk> My system keeps freezing alot, and everytime i open the screensaver menu.. can anyone help.. its driving me mad
[01:28] <bar1> i run warty wartlog
[01:28] <xukun> cardador: did you tried this? nxsetup --setup-nomachine-key
[01:28] <cardador> xukun: yes
[01:29] <kristjan> hi all
[01:29] <xukun> cardador: can you ssh to the server
[01:29] <bar1> but i still don't know why i wont wok to log in
[01:29] <cardador> xukun: i tried it from a windows box
[01:29] <cardador> xukun: dont have putty installed
[01:29] <aaroncuk> i have run a memory test and it found no faults with that, could it be open gl???
[01:30] <polytan> hello
[01:30] <cardador> xukun: are you able to connect?
[01:30] <xukun> cardador: you should test if ssh is working to the server, becouse nx uses port 22(ssh) to connect?
[01:30] <polytan> i've a nicve bug when i'm installing ubuntu on a friend's computer ...
[01:31] <Friczy> hi
[01:31] <Vince-0> !
[01:31] <nonajme> hi Friczy
[01:31] <Vince-0> How do I get into root from a brnd new install
[01:31] <polytan> the kernel detect a processor at 255 C !!!
[01:31] <xukun> cardador: yes, but I,m having other problem, not like yours and I was looking somebody who uses freenx so U ask him to try something for me?
[01:31] <nonajme> Vince-0: sudo su
[01:32] <Vince-0> kk
[01:32] <bar1> maybe sombody can tell me how i can open synaptic in a shell maybe that works now i do computer->system configuration->synaptic
[01:32] <NewComer> what is the loop device in ubuntu?
[01:32] <cardador> xukun: ask who?
[01:32] <AptivaIBM> I kinda need some help here. I've tried to install Ubuntu on a IBM Aptiva.  I want to put into an existing partition but installer doesn't see the partition
[01:32] <Vince-0> nonajme: cant I just change the passwd ?
[01:32] <xukun> cardador: yes, but I,m having other problem, not like yours and I was looking somebody who uses freenx so I could ask him to try something for me?
[01:32] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Describe "not properly"
[01:32] <cardador> xukun: ah ok
[01:33] <Vince-0> nonajme: did it , shot son
[01:34] <AptivaIBM> hm... It shows the nice IBM splashscreen, then some lines of text and then it stops completely up and the last word displayed is "boot".
[01:34] <kristjan> anybody previously used debian?
[01:34] <kristjan> (prior to ubuntu)
[01:34] <cardador> kristjan: i did
[01:34] <Friczy> kremlyn: I still use )
[01:34] <kristjan> cardador: what made u switch?
[01:34] <nonajme> kristjan: i did, but i don't like debian pretty mutch
[01:34] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Anything before "boot"?
[01:34] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Anything after it, like a colon?
[01:35] <kristjan> why should i be happier as a ubuntu user?
[01:35] <TongMaster> because you're not using Redhat.
[01:35] <Friczy> kristjan: the packages are newer in the stable distribution
[01:35] <kristjan> nonajme: what do you like better in ubuntu?
[01:35] <cardador> kristjan: imagine debian without all the trouble to upgrade kernel, install nvidia driver, etc, etc
[01:35] <Juerd> kristjan: I use both vanilla Debian and Ubuntu.
[01:35] <joolz> morning
[01:35] <Juerd> kristjan: Ubuntu for boxes that my dad uses, vanilla Debian for my own boxes.
[01:35] <kristjan> cardador: i thought so...
[01:35] <joolz> I have a problem with preferred applications, text editor
[01:36] <nonajme> kristjan: when i selected to install xfree in debian its installad so much of shit....~
[01:36] <joolz> I set it to custom editor, select gvim, but ubuntu won't remember it
[01:36] <joolz> am i doing something wrong?
[01:36] <TongMaster> ah, kristjan, I switched from Debian sid to Ubuntu and found it had the end-user expereince down to practically "just works"
[01:36] <nonajme> kristjan: and in ubuntu everything runs perfect from scratch
[01:36] <Juerd> nonajme: The same "shit" is installed in Ubuntu. Just not with your explicit consent.
[01:36] <TongMaster> so I spend no time hacking on my laptop na dmore time hacking :)
[01:37] <Juerd> nonajme: Not "everything". Users with Wacom tablets can't use Ubuntu's current kernel.
[01:37] <joolz> i consider removing gedit alltogether, maybe that will solve it
[01:37] <kristjan> so basically: less work to get it working...
[01:37] <joolz> or does anyone have a beter idea?
[01:37] <nonajme> Juerd: but in debian i have many shit daemons active, but don't in ubuntu
[01:37] <kristjan> cool, so i chose wisely...
[01:37] <kristjan> ;)
[01:37] <cardador> TongMaster: exactly like me
[01:37] <Juerd> nonajme: That boils down to experience, I'm afraid.
[01:38] <Juerd> nonajme: And for the less experienced, Ubuntu without doubt is a better system.
[01:38] <xukun> guys, is there some kind of secure gui ftp, like sftp? sftp is only console based?
[01:38] <Juerd> It's easier to get working, and still allows the user to do whatever they want.
[01:38] <nonajme> Juerd: yes, my experience in debian is low. i like gentoo better
[01:38] <NewComer> xukun, gftp
[01:39] <xukun> NewComer: well thank you
[01:39] <NewComer> not sure if secure enough
[01:39] <kristjan> nonajme: so why not gentoo?
[01:39] <cardador> xukun: nautilus
[01:39] <NewComer> anyone know how to extract an iso image to harddrive?
[01:39] <nonajme> kristjan: i dont like to compile so much on a laptop.
[01:40] <xukun> cardador: it should be secure
[01:40] <kristjan> nonajme: thanks, u answered another q...
[01:40] <joolz> nope, that didn't help: Couldn't display "textfile".
[01:40] <cardador> NewComer: right clik on it, extract
[01:40] <joolz> should I file a bug for this?
[01:40] <nonajme> sorry for my bad english, btw
[01:40] <cardador> xukun: nautilus is not secure?
[01:40] <NewComer> cardador, fileroller crashes
[01:40] <GuyverXT9> ubunta is the biggest pile of cockcheese ever known to man, and deserves to be fucked through the skull by a horde of raging midgets
[01:41] <GuyverXT9> *ubuntu
[01:41] <xukun> cardador: is telnet sure?
[01:41] <cardador> NewComer: open it with file roller then extract it. sometimes it works that way
[01:41] <NewComer> cardador, cool, i'll try
[01:41] <joolz> GuyverXT9: why midgets?
[01:41] <cardador> xukun: dont know
[01:41] <GuyverXT9> they have the biggest weeners
[01:41] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: The two last lines it displays is:
[01:41] <AptivaIBM> Savedefault
[01:41] <AptivaIBM> boot
[01:41] <AptivaIBM> Thats it...
[01:41] <kristjan> GuyverXT9: u midget?
[01:42] <joolz> GuyverXT9: personally I think they just bluff :)
[01:42] <cardador> xukun: how do you start nxserver?
[01:42] <GuyverXT9> well, i have a big weener...
[01:42] <Slackman> anyone here know much about the gnome wireless tool? it says N/A, even if i assign an ip address to the wlan card
[01:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) whats newer, 1.0.2-1 or 1.0.2-prev1
[01:43] <joolz> Can anyone tell me how and where I should set the default text editor?
[01:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) (dpkg/apt-wise)
[01:44] <z4k4ri4> Has hoary get universe update yet?
[01:44] <kristjan> by all, have a nice day!
[01:44] <joolz> bye all means :)
[01:44] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Has it ever booted into Ubuntu, or are you currently installing?
[01:45] <aaroncuk> what driver is best to use in x if u dont have a driver for ur gfx car
[01:45] <aaroncuk> d
[01:45] <AptivaIBM> Currently installing.
[01:45] <Juerd> aaroncuk: Please type English. "ur" is not a word.
[01:45] <cardador> aaroncuk: what is your card?
[01:45] <aaroncuk> sorry, lol your
[01:45] <Slackman> heh aolisms
[01:45] <aaroncuk> ProSavag8 - onboard
[01:46] <Juerd> arachne: "vga" and "vesa" probably work, but it's best to find a suitable driver.
[01:46] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Did you get any error message (red screen)?
[01:46] <cardador> joolz: computer > deskt prefs > preferred aplications
[01:46] <aaroncuk> i have tried to use the xfree86 dirver that someone has made for savage cards.. but im getting sytem lockups since installing it
[01:46] <joolz> cardador: thanks, but when I put gvim in there, it forgets the setting as soon as i close the dialog
[01:46] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: Nope. It just stops not bothering to do anyting more...
[01:47] <joolz> maybe i should do some setting in the registry? /me browsing gconf editor now
[01:47] <z4k4ri4> anybody here using hoary?
[01:47] <mirak> I was wondering why there is no hardlinks on folders, what is the reason for this ?
[01:47] <aaroncuk> hmm, there is a command you have to run after dpkg-reconfigure, anyone remember it
[01:48] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Did it announce it'd reboot?
[01:48] <Simeon_WF> Hi people - I'm at the basic stage at the moment - I'm unable to convince Nero to burn the downloaded image of Warty - it comnplains that the block size may be wrong
[01:49] <z4k4ri4> Simeon_WF: have you check the md5 sum?
[01:49] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: That it did. It announced, it boots kinda ("Booting Ubuntu, kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386") and stops...
[01:49] <Simeon_WF> z4: not yet
[01:49] <z4k4ri4> maybe its corrupted
[01:50] <Simeon_WF> z4: could be, I've never had a problem when I've burned images in the past
[01:50] <joolz> nope, I didn't find it in the gconf editor. This really sucks
[01:50] <cardador> xukun: i can ssh from the winblows box to ubuntu,  but nxserver doesnt work
[01:51] <xukun> cardador: sec
[01:52] <joolz> wuold it help if i looked in all the .gconf, .gconfd, gnome etc directories
[01:52] <joolz> i'm getting really homesick for fvwm2
[01:52] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: What is the CPU in the machine?
[01:53] <aaroncuk> i have run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but theres another command after that to activate the changesd and i cant remember it, any ideas
[01:53] <RubenV> joolz: did you try logging in and out?
[01:53] <RubenV> that capplet is a bitch
[01:53] <joolz> RubenV: seriously? no, i didn't. I'll give it a shot
[01:54] <AptivaIBM> Well. Not to much. 500MHz I think.
[01:56] <joolz> RubenV: i logged out (with save settings), didn't help
[01:56] <RubenV> then it's time to burn that capplet :)
[01:56] <joolz> please don't say i shout reboot to change such a simple setting :)
[01:57] <joolz> RubenV: can i go around the capplet and do the setting somewhere in a configfile? (as it's Meant To Be)
[01:57] <jono> hi all
[01:57] <RubenV> joolz: no idea where it stores that setting
[01:57] <Vince-0> where can I add XP to boot it in grub/menu.lst
[01:57] <Vince-0> ?
[01:57] <RubenV> one would expect it to be in gconf
[01:57] <baluba> is it possible while burning in nautilus to set the cd label? i mean the string which identify the medium on subsequents mounts
[01:57] <joolz> RubenV: nope, it's not there
[01:57] <jono> I upgraded to hoary last night, and my X.org display seems to be really wavy - it doesnt look like the screen refresh rates are wrong as parts of the screen look fine, it is just the drawn graphics that are really wavy - any ideas?
[01:58] <NewComer> how can i get the root terminal, the one in the gnome menu, only that i'm on xfce
[01:58] <joolz> guess i'll do a grep -r on my homedir, last refuge of the hopeless
[01:58] <RubenV> NewComer: open a terminal
[01:59] <RubenV> and type sudo su
[01:59] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Bramd?
[01:59] <joolz> NewComer: or sudo -s
[01:59] <NewComer> cool, thx RubenV and joolz
[01:59] <joolz> yw
[01:59] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: Intel.
[02:00] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Then I have no idea what could be wrong. You can try doing a manual installation, choosing for lilo instead of grub, to see if that makes any difference.
[02:00] <bar1> die sudo su lukt bij mij wel ma kan nie aan mijne synaptic via computer system configuration
[02:00] <joolz> damn. I logged out and did a save settings. Now I get 2 gaims when starting up. IIRC this was already borken 2 years ago
[02:00] <joolz> *sigh*
[02:01] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: So it should work? Well... I'm really not too good at installing manual... give me some hints?
[02:01] <RubenV> joolz: gnome session is one major piece of brokeness
[02:01] <Juerd> bar1: Regardless of the language you choose to type, please try to type words in full. "ma" is "moeder", not "maar".
[02:01] <xukun> cardador: sorry it took a while, I must do something
[02:01] <joolz> RubenV: you can say that again
[02:01] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Just go with the defaults, and where you get the chance to choose grub, refuse that. The next option will be LILO.
[02:02] <aaroncuk> whats the command to remove xserver and reinstall it?
[02:02] <xukun> cardador: there is nothing to restart - it's started whenever a ssh connection to nx is initiated
[02:02] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: I'll try that. See you in a bit then! :)
[02:02] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: It's been a while since I did this, so I'm not sure where exactly in the installer this is.
[02:02] <bar1> sorry i'll type it in english i just switched from a dutch forum
[02:02] <Juerd> bar1: Dutch is fine with me, as long as it's correct. I don't know if the channel allows it.
[02:03] <Juerd> bar1: wat gaat fout als je synaptic opstart?
[02:03] <joolz> bar1: niks :)
[02:03] <skar> hi, how do i play dvd with the menus, seems mplayer plays the tracks directly :(
[02:03] <joolz> oh sorry, read it the wrong way around :)
[02:03] <bar1> i just wont to know how i can open my synaptic manager because my password always seems to fail
[02:03] <cardador> xukun: how can you tell if it is working? nxserver --status does not work
[02:04] <Juerd> bar1: Which password do you use? The user's or root's?
[02:04] <bar1> that's the same because root is set of by default
[02:04] <Juerd> No, it's not the same.
[02:04] <baluba> it seems nautilus just get the volume-id from the iso itself, so i've got to find how to modify it
[02:04] <Juerd> But yes, you need the user's password. Is that the password you use?
[02:05] <bar1> yes just the same password that i use when i log in
[02:05] <Juerd> bar1: Does it contain any non-alphanumeric characters?
[02:05] <bar1> yes
[02:05] <bar1> maybe that my fault
[02:05] <Juerd> bar1: Did you do a Dutch installation?
[02:06] <bar1> yes i did
[02:06] <Juerd> bar1: Via Desktop preferences -> Toetsenbord -> Indelingen, choose "U.S. English" and then "Toevoegen"
[02:06] <Juerd> bar1: Then select "Dutch" and "Verwijderen", "Sluiten"
[02:06] <Juerd> bar1: Ubuntu developers didn't realise that Dutch people do usually not use Dutch keyboards :)
[02:07] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) heh that would be a reasonable assumption
[02:07] <bar1> ah thx i'll try it immediately
[02:07] <Juerd> (Only IBM stubbornly keeps supplying dutch keyboards with dutch computers, refusing to acknowledge that the dutch layout SUCKS and is HATED. This is why IBM doesn't sell many laptops in .nl)
[02:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) haha
[02:08] <Juerd> At least with a non-laptop you can use your own keyboard.
[02:08] <Slackman> Juerd, can't you just change to another layout...thats what i do now i'm in the uk
[02:08] <bar1> now i have a qwerty one
[02:08] <Slackman> we have uk keyboards, but i just use a us layout
[02:09] <Juerd> Slackman: Yes, but then the labels are wrong. Not a problem for those who touch type, but certainly a problem for everyone else.
[02:09] <Talliesin> Juerd, you've a marketing issue there. "Don't give Dutch keyboards to the Dutch" makes no sense. "Upgrade to the *new* Dutch keyboard" will convince them.
[02:09] <Juerd> bar1: Dutch and US are both QWERTY, but some non-alphanumerics are in different locations.
[02:09] <Juerd> Talliesin: Not really.
[02:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Talliesin: haha, you have a point
[02:09] <Juerd> Talliesin: It's by no means an upgrade.
[02:10] <Juerd> Talliesin: Dvorak'd be an upgrade. Dutch keyboards, compared to US English, are a downgrade.
[02:10] <Juerd> They would be useful if they had that one dutch letter "ij" (it's one letter, not two)
[02:10] <Juerd> BUT
[02:10] <Juerd> They don't!
[02:10] <bar1> i changed it back to belgian keyboard because i have an azerty keyboard
[02:10] <Slackman> Juerd, yeh learn to touch time...its easier :)
[02:10] <Juerd> So you still have to type "i" "j", and there's no point in having a special keyboard.
[02:11] <Slackman> type
[02:11] <Slackman> i meant
[02:11] <Juerd> Slackman: Learn to touch type *dvorak*.
[02:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Juerd: ive pondered doing that for fun
[02:11] <joolz> bar1: i allways thought a belgian keyboard IS azerty?
[02:11] <Juerd> Slackman: www.dvorak.nl is a simple typing course. Takes 10 hours to learn the entire alphabet.
[02:11] <Slackman> Juerd, yeh i can type dvorak, its actually faster...but it doesn't work with games
[02:11] <Juerd> joolz: There's also French AZERTY
[02:11] <Juerd> Slackman: I don't play computer games.
[02:11] <Talliesin> Yes, so you need to tell them that the US English keyboards are the new Dutch keyboard. Or better yet submit a new layout to the ICU database which is like the US Keyboard and has
[02:11] <Slackman> Juerd, i.e ut2k4 doens't keep key bindings
[02:12] <Juerd> Slackman: Not ones that require keyboard input anyway.
[02:12] <bar1> yes but juerd made me change it into a us english one and that wast a very good idee:-)
[02:12] <joolz> yes i know. I always piss off belgian friend by complaining about their french keyboard :)
[02:12] <joolz> friends
[02:12] <Talliesin> (Though I thought ij was considered to letters, but one collation and capitalisation unit, rather than one letter, and that the Unicode  and  were for backwards compatibility)
[02:12] <Juerd> AZERTY keyboards suck as much as Dutch QWERTY.
[02:13] <joolz> what was that again: "every interface more complicated than a nipple sucks"
[02:13] <Talliesin> Bizarrely my keyboard has just gone to a US-English layout for no reason (so hould be Ireland-English)
[02:13] <Juerd> Talliesin: It actually is one letter. But because iso-8859-* doesn't have them, for an entire generation we have now used "ij".
[02:13] <bar1> look it cant be that everyting works allright when i log in because then my password works perfect also the special sings and everything and when i want to open the synaptic or anything else my password fails
[02:13] <Juerd> Talliesin: Most Dutch don't even know it's one letter anymore.
[02:13] <joolz> Juerd: technically it's a ligatur
[02:13] <joolz> a bit between 1 and 2 letters
[02:14] <joolz> samentrekking
[02:14] <Juerd> joolz: Only the glyph is.
[02:14] <Juerd> joolz: It's like  in that way.
[02:14] <Juerd> That's a ligature of a and e, but very clearly one letter.
[02:14] <joolz> like a small hollow square?
[02:14] <joolz> :)
[02:14] <Juerd> Heh, fix thy terminal :)
[02:14] <Juerd> I'm emitting iso-8859-1
[02:14] <Talliesin>  is different.
[02:15] <joolz> Juerd: LOL, touche!
[02:15] <joolz> Talliesin: yeah, two hollow squares
[02:15] <Juerd> Talliesin: Sorry, I don't have a utf-8 capable terminal
[02:15] <Juerd> joolz: Wow, you have a US-ASCII-only terminal?_
[02:15] <joolz> no idea, it's gnome-terminal, default install
[02:15] <Juerd> That's *bad*.
[02:16] <joolz> Juerd: you tell me... Just the default ubuntu install
[02:16] <joolz> how can I fix that?
[02:16] <Talliesin>  unifies both the Icelandic ash (which is a letter, not historically derived from combining a and e) and the  of Latin, old fashioned English and other European languages.
[02:16] <Juerd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Y
[02:17] <bar1> i changed my password and used only letters this time and now it works perfect thanx a lot
[02:17] <Talliesin> In archological  is two letters.
[02:17] <Juerd> joolz: No idea.
[02:17] <Juerd> Talliesin: It's archeological.
[02:17] <Juerd> :)
[02:18] <Juerd> Talliesin: Is Icelandic that language that also still uses  and ?
[02:18] <Talliesin> Juerd, gah! If you must avoid letters in English use archaeological rather than that horrible American spelling :)
[02:18] <Talliesin> Yes.
[02:18] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Hi, I have installed a Warly and got a little problem because the x server wouldn't launch. I edited the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and found out that it was due to the name of my screen which is CMC 17" AD, so I had the lines
[02:18] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Section "Monitor"
[02:18] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Identifier	"CMC 17" AD"
[02:18] <Vladimir_ubuntu> and
[02:18] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Section "Screen"
[02:18] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Monitor	 "CMC 17" AD"
[02:19] <Vladimir_ubuntu> , where the " for inches was considered as an ending quote.
[02:19] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Is it a known problem ? Is it the right place to post this question ?
[02:19] <Talliesin> s/avoid letters/avoid ligatures
[02:19] <Juerd> Archaic letters
[02:19] <Juerd> Vladimir_ubuntu: Please to not be floodink.
[02:19] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Oops sorry, first time I use IRC
[02:20] <Talliesin> Eh, you can't still use "archaic letters", they aren't archaic if you're still using them.
[02:20] <Juerd> Vladimir_ubuntu: It is considered rude to paste multiple lines without permission, because it fills entire screens.
[02:20] <Juerd> Talliesin: I'm not using them :)
[02:20] <Juerd> Talliesin: ae, d, th work well :)
[02:20] <Talliesin> Not in Icelandic they don't
[02:20] <Juerd> Vladimir_ubuntu: Anyway, report the bug at bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[02:21] <Vladimir_ubuntu> I'm very sorry, won't do it again ;-)
[02:21] <Juerd> Talliesin: I was told that it's very understandable
[02:21] <Talliesin> Juerd, I was told that it's tolerated because they figure they can't expect us foreigners to do things right :)
[02:22] <Juerd> Talliesin: That's how ij became i j. All it takes is technology not supporting the real thing. Or foreigners. Let's start a revolution there :)
[02:24] <Talliesin> I must look into the ij. I was told (by someone who knows a lot on such things) that they were a collation unit but still two letters.
[02:24] <Juerd> No way they're two letters :)
[02:25] <Juerd> Well, ij are. The real character isn't.
[02:25] <Talliesin> What did they derive from?
[02:25] <Juerd> y
[02:25] <Talliesin> A ha.
[02:25] <Juerd> (And the other way around too: some English Ys are originally IJs)
[02:25] <Talliesin> that seems familiar now you say that.
[02:25] <Juerd> ij is used for what was ei or y, but not every occurrence. I don't know why some things changed and others did not.
[02:26] <Juerd> I believe I read somewhere that English "by" comes from Dutch "bij" which comes from German "bei".
[02:26] <Talliesin> !
[02:26] <Talliesin> Now I remember what I was told.
[02:26] <Juerd> Likewise: eis -> ijs -> ice
[02:26] <Talliesin> ij is one letter that came from y but some of the root words had ei (two letters). Yep, it's all coming back.
[02:26] <Ycros> dysfunction.
[02:28] <aaroncuk> can someone help me with X.. its crashing loads.
[02:28] <aaroncuk> have tried uninstalling and reloading it
[02:28] <Juerd> aaroncuk: Has it ever worked correctly since you installed Ubuntu?
[02:28] <aaroncuk> yeah
[02:29] <Juerd> aaroncuk: Then restore the backup you made before you began messing around.
[02:29] <Juerd> aaroncuk: You did backup, right?
[02:29] <Ycros> anything you haven't backed up you are willing to lose
[02:30] <Juerd> And all was quiet.
[02:30] <aaroncuk> theres not alot on the system.
[02:30] <aaroncuk> i only installed it 2 days ago
[02:30] <seadog> hello
[02:31] <aaroncuk> will have to reinstall some annyoing daemons tho lol
[02:31] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: The install went ok, but the boot failed again. Lilo only says that bios memory ok, and stops...
[02:32] <aaroncuk> basically it seems to freeze whenever i try to load the screensaver menu or the screen resolution menu
[02:32] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: That's not something LILO normally says :)
[02:32] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: I'm sorry, but I have no idea what's wrong with your system.
[02:33] <seadog> Can somebody tell me which is the procedure so that stuff that is not in debian packages can be included in ubuntu (like translations of firefox)?
[02:34] <AptivaIBM> It worked fine when I installed it on the laptop...
[02:35] <aaroncuk> i think im just gonna reformat
[02:36] <aaroncuk> need to make sure that it is x causing it, not a hardware fault
[02:36] <Juerd> seadog: Add "universe"
[02:36] <Juerd> seadog: Using synaptic or a text editor.
[02:36] <Juerd> seadog: Add it to where "main restricted" already are.
[02:36] <Juerd> Or, possibly, uncomment the line that has "universe"
[02:39] <seadog> juerd: hmmm I didn't explain well enough. Those packages don't exist, I just want some stuff, which does not exist in packages (not even in debian), to be included in ubuntu
[02:40] <Juerd> Install it as you would on a non-debian system
[02:40] <Juerd> Or make debian packages
[02:41] <seadog> juerd: ok I want the procedures so this stuff gets added in ubuntu repositories :) Is there a wiki page or something? Should I add them in DesktopSeed for example?
[02:43] <Juerd> Then I absolutely have no idea.
[02:44] <seadog> Juerd, ok thnx anyway :)
[02:44] <seadog> anyone please?
[02:44] <agwibowo> does anyone know alarm application in ubuntu?
[02:44] <agwibowo> somehting like kalarm in kde?
[02:44] <baluba> seadog, have you read carefully on the site?
[02:44] <RubenV> you could use evolution
[02:45] <agwibowo> does it play sound as well?
[02:45] <agwibowo> kalarm can execute program, so i can play music as for my alarm
[02:45] <agwibowo> (i used it as my wake up alarm)
[02:47] <agwibowo> maybe i have to use the command line cron jobs..
[02:47] <agwibowo> ehehehe
[02:47] <m00se> agwibowo, yes, evolution can play sounds
[02:48] <agwibowo> ah
[02:48] <agwibowo> where about is the alarm?
[02:48] <Riddell> agwibowo: xmms-alarm
[02:48] <seadog> baluba, can you point me a url?
[02:49] <Riddell> agwibowo: or kalarm
[02:49] <agwibowo> Riddel : that beats the purpose of using gnome based distribution
[02:50] <m00se> agwibowo, go to claendar view, schedule an event, make it recurrent and set up an action for this alarm
[02:51] <baluba> seadog, i'm looking myself if there's an howto or something... but probably not. you may look in bugzilla if request for new packages are listed there
[02:52] <agwibowo> m00se: how to set up the action?
[02:52] <m00se> Agrajag, at the bottom of the event editing window you have alarm checkbox and customize button
[02:53] <shampoo> Hi everyone
[02:53] <agwibowo> ah i know
[02:53] <agwibowo> thx!
[02:53] <seadog> baluba, someone in translators list suggested that to fill bug reports but I've read in the wiki I think that bugzilla shouldn't be used for package requests.
[02:53] <shampoo> anyone know if a image viewer that can do a slideshow with fade in and fade outs ?
[02:53] <m00se> click the button and add an action selecting play a sound type
[02:54] <seadog> baluba, I haven't found any howto either.  I' ve asked the some question in developers list and I didn't get an answer
[02:58] <agwibowo> hmmm
[02:58] <agwibowo> evolution doesn't seem to play the mp3 song i want
[02:58] <RubenV> decode it to wave
[02:58] <baluba> seadog, in some projects bug submitting are used for a broad range of needs, well beside bug resolutions. here i don't know, so keep investigating
[02:59] <RubenV> or hack gstreamer support into evo ;)
[02:59] <agwibowo> how to decode to wave?
[02:59] <m00se> agwibowo, or change action type to 'run a program' and use mpg321 with path to your mp3 as an argument
[03:00] <m00se> or any other mp3 player
[03:00] <nab_> hi
[03:00] <Neill> hi. I'm having problems getting xforwarding to work over ssh
[03:00] <Neill> both ends are ubuntu....
[03:01] <Neill> I'm getting cannot connect to display errors.
[03:02] <pmisch> hallo
[03:04] <agwibowo> any command line mp3 player?
[03:04] <iminj> Anyone know where I can find support to configure mozplugger? Their website isn't very informative
[03:05] <agwibowo> does anyone know any command line mp3 player?
[03:05] <m00se> mpg321
[03:07] <kristjan> what is the equivalent command to fedora's 'service' in ubuntu?
[03:07] <iminj> Anyone here ever tackled "mozpluggerrc" .. to configure multimedia streams via mozilla or firefox?
[03:08] <oneste1> hi... just installed ubuntu and have a question
[03:08] <seadog> baluba, ok
[03:08] <iminj> I'll try again later .. thanks everyone.
[03:09] <agwibowo> hehehe
[03:09] <agwibowo> that's it
[03:09] <agwibowo> alarm based on crontab
[03:09] <agwibowo> :P
[03:09] <agwibowo> simple
[03:10] <agwibowo> thx everyone, and good night!
[03:11] <oneste1> how do i add a screen resolution to the selection shown in "change screen preferences"
[03:13] <oneste1> can anyone here help me with configuration questions?
[03:15] <kristjan> is there a command to start-stop-restart services in /etc/init.d in ubuntu?
[03:16] <baluba> that's one thing i hate, people asking and leaving immediatly after
[03:16] <m00se> /etc/init.d <service> start|stop|restart
[03:16] <m00se> i mean /etc/init.d/<service> start|stop|restart
[03:16] <kristjan> m00se: :) i posed a stupid question...
[03:17] <kristjan> how can I connect to a wireless net, that uses 128-bit WEP?
[03:19] <kristjan> m00se: i could probably make an alias to that to have fedora's "service" cmd..
[03:21] <nab_> i wanna make Firefix to make a PDF file when printing but the only printer device i get listed in firefox is PostScript/default.  In texteditor i can print to pdf :(
[03:21] <nab_> *Firefox
[03:21] <m00se> kristjan, probably, what does this service command actualy do?
[03:22] <kristjan> m00se: instead of typing /etc/init.d ...... you just type service <service> start|stop....
[03:22] <ermo> Damn. The default ubuntu setup is just _awesome_. Just fired up emacs just to try it. And lo and behold, it was the gtk version. And setting the options I wanted was a breeze. *bows in gratitude*
[03:22] <baluba> nab_, print a ps and then ps2pdf
[03:23] <nab_> baluba, ill keep that in mind as last resort, thanks
[03:23] <m00se> kristjan, so a trivial shell script will do
[03:23] <m00se> like /etc/init.d/$1 $2 :)
[03:23] <kristjan> m00se: yes.
[03:24] <m00se> ermo, no default setup sucks because it doesn't include vim-gtk :D
[03:25] <ermo> m00se, I see :) And it's not installable in main?
[03:25] <ermo> s/in/from/
[03:25] <m00se> it's installable, but not installed by default
[03:30] <Shadow2> ubuntu warty setup is giving me errors when adding a user, problem being the error flashes up too quick. Any ideas?
[03:31] <Shadow2> ah i can read "group <username> does not exist"
[03:34] <usual> hi
[03:35] <ivar> q: is it possible to add a repository to synaptic but use it for a limited subset of packages ?
[03:36] <ivar> ie: I'd like to install http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/jsvc
[03:36] <ivar> but I don't want to mess anything else up..
[03:37] <cardador> ivar: add it, install what you need, then remove it
[03:38] <ivar> cardador, but that means foregoing any updates right ?
[03:39] <Matt|> hiya. I have a laptop. Since updating hoary yesterday I have lost the ability to plug in a mouse with xorg, and I can only use my touchpad. Anyone know the solution?
[03:39] <cardador> ivar: dont know what foregoing is, im not a native english speaker :)
[03:39] <Matt|> cardador, giving up
[03:39] <cardador> oh, thanks Matt|
[03:39] <ivar> cardador, to abandon :)
[03:39] <Matt|> rinunciare
[03:39] <Matt|> renounce
[03:40] <cardador> ivar: add it to the repositories, press reload, install it, then take it out of the repository
[03:40] <Matt|> anyone help with that xorg problem?
[03:42] <ivar> cardador, ok.. thanks ;)
[03:44] <Shadow2> i'm getting the error "groupdel: group <username> does not exist" when i go to add a user during ubuntu warty install (after reboot)
[03:44] <adnans> hmm, why does ubuntu wait for the networking config during bootup?? I don't have any weird NFS like structures, just me laptop?!
[03:44] <ermo> ivar, that's a pretty advanced operation (behind the scenes) however.
[03:45] <ermo> ivar, so you'd have to make sure that required ubuntu packages are not forced off your system.
[03:45] <ivar> ermo, yeah, it's appearing that way
[03:45] <ermo> ivar, have you considered installing it in /usr/local instead?
[03:45] <ivar> it doesn't even appear to be installable
[03:45] <ivar> ermo, yeah.. i'm thinking a local install would be best...
[03:46] <ermo> ivar, I know it sounds dumb, but in that way, you could make it depend on the proper ubuntu/debian packages. Plus, there exist a util (also apt-gettable from universe) to manage /usr/local installs
[03:46] <ermo> exists, even. Can't remember it's name but I've looked at i briefly before.
[03:47] <ivar> ermo, what's it called..
[03:47] <ivar> ?
[03:47] <ivar> ah
[03:47] <ermo> ivar, beats make uninstall, that's for sure.
[03:47] <ermo> its' name even.
[03:47] <ermo> darn.-
[03:47] <ermo> ivar, in a sense, we all are.
[03:48] <ermo> ivar, I did, at one point, experiment with using apt.conf to tightly control access to debian unstable (I wanted samba 3.0pre packages)
[03:48] <ermo> ivar, so it's doable if you're careful and don't mind reading through the apt documentation.
[03:49] <ivar> ermo, it looks like my efforts are futile anyway.. i've got x86 and it appears they've only got a powerpc version
[03:50] <ermo> ivar, when you install something, you'd have to append an apt-get -u <whatever> to specify that you want packages from your non-standard repo. If you couple that with clever pinning, it's doable.
[03:50] <ermo> ivar, but I'd advise against testing the solution on a production system ;)
[03:51] <ermo> ivar, is it binary only?
[03:51] <ivar> ermo, at this point no one should let me near a prod system..
[03:51] <ermo> ivar, hehe
[03:51] <ivar> ermo, i'm not totally sure - http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/jsvc
[03:52] <ivar> ermo, looks like it
[03:52] <Matt|> hiya. I have a laptop. Since updating hoary yesterday I have lost the ability to plug in a mouse with xorg, and I can only use my touchpad.  It's when you sit down and talk it over with your teddy bear and try to explain the problem. It works wonders as you can see.
[03:56] <melanie> how can i install mod_mono?
[03:57] <Shadow2> hehe i think i might need one :)
[03:57] <ermo> Shadow2, in this case 'teddy' was #ubuntu.
[03:57] <ermo> Shadow2, which, IMO, is absolutely fine.
[03:57] <Gwildor> i have a desktop, since upgrading to hoary, i lost sound in ET, i installed ET under warty, can anyone help?
[03:58] <Mitario> hello evereyone
[03:58] <Mitario> anybody using vnc with gnome/vino and windows realvnc/tightvnc?
[04:00] <Talliesin> ermo, Shadow2, there's actually a teddybot on freenode for just that purpose.
[04:01] <ermo> Talliesin, really? Cute. in #teddybot?
[04:01] <Shadow2> hehe
[04:01] <Talliesin> in #swhack, but you can msg it directly.
[04:01] <Talliesin> see http://www.ccil.org/~cowan/teddybot
[04:01] <ermo> Talliesin, roger. Thanks.
[04:02] <Talliesin> We find it useful, has solved many of my problems.
[04:02] <ermo> Talliesin, we as in 'us server ops'?
[04:02] <Talliesin> I wish!
[04:02] <Talliesin> Us as in regulars in #swhack, where teddybot lives
[04:03] <ermo> Talliesin, knowing from experience the denizens of freenode, I get the feeling that being a freenode op is not all good n dandy...
[04:03] <Matt|> hiya. I have a laptop. Since updating hoary yesterday I have lost the ability to plug in a mouse with xorg, and I can only use my touchpad. Anyone know the solution?
[04:04] <Talliesin> Knowing from experience the denizens of quakenet, undernet and dalnet, it could be a lot worse ;)
[04:04] <ermo> Talliesin, point taken :D
[04:06] <will> waht did you say Teddybot: ?
[04:10] <kristjan> anybody here with little wireless lan experience?
[04:11] <Gwildor> just ask your question
[04:18] <paul__> I just installed Ubuntu and feel rather last as I have no idea how to su to root as I do not know the password.  I sure cannot recall setting a password for root?  Any idea?
[04:18] <Hitch-Hiker> You dont in ubuntu
[04:18] <plasmo> theres no root enabled by default
[04:18] <Hitch-Hiker> the first user u set up is an admin one
[04:18] <Mitario> anybody knows why when workinig rmote via vnc and vino i cant insert capital lettrs ini gnome apps but 'xev' shows them to me fine
[04:18] <Hitch-Hiker> sudo <command>
[04:18] <melanie> synaptic icon disappeared after hoary update. how can i get it back?
[04:19] <Hitch-Hiker> it'll ask for the admin password
[04:19] <paul__> but I am not able to make changes to my net config?
[04:19] <Hitch-Hiker> which is the pw for the first user you set up
[04:19] <m00se> paul__, by default you use sudo to run commands as root or sudo -c to get root shell
[04:19] <m00se> you can run sudo passwd to set password for root
[04:19] <Hitch-Hiker> whenever a window pops up for a password i.e. synaptic
[04:19] <m00se> and then use su
[04:19] <Hitch-Hiker> use the first user pw
[04:22] <Gwildor> i have a desktop, since upgrading to hoary, i lost sound in ET, i installed ET under warty, can anyone help?
[04:22] <Gwildor> last time i ask....promise
[04:22] <usual> et?
[04:22] <plasmo> mmmm try this. not sure if itll work
[04:22] <Juerd> ET phone h... nah, not funny.
[04:22] <plasmo> killall esd
[04:23] <plasmo> lol
[04:23] <Gwildor> enemy territory, first person shooter
[04:23] <m00se> ET == enemy territory?
[04:23] <Hitch-Hiker> whats et short for?
[04:23] <usual> oh
[04:23] <Gwildor> video game
[04:23] <m00se> Gwildor, then kill esd
[04:23] <Hitch-Hiker> he's got little legs  :)
[04:23] <Gwildor> moose, ?
[04:23] <plasmo> D:
[04:23] <paul__> sorry, but I am rather confused now.  I cannot sudo because it asks me for a password I do not know an pw does not work as password.  How do I set the root password?
[04:23] <plasmo> killall esd
[04:23] <Hitch-Hiker> it wants your paswsword
[04:23] <Gwildor> paul__,  use your user password
[04:23] <usual> paul__, it wants the password for the use
[04:23] <Gwildor> paul__, what you log in with
[04:23] <usual> ruser
[04:23] <usual> bah i can't type
[04:24] <Gwildor> moose, or whoever, killall esd, what is that gonna do?, and what do i do after that?
[04:24] <plasmo> probli esd is using your sound
[04:24] <Hitch-Hiker> it kills the esound daemon
[04:25] <Gwildor> let me post the message that et gives me, see if you still think that killall esd will work
[04:25] <paul__> OK, got it. Thanks.
[04:26] <plasmo> :)
[04:26] <Gwildor> ------- sound initialization -------
[04:26] <Gwildor> /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[04:26] <Gwildor> Could not mmap /dev/dsp
[04:26] <Gwildor> ------------------------------------
[04:26] <Gwildor> still think i need too  killall esd
[04:26] <Hitch-Hiker> I get that with UT2004
[04:26] <plasmo> yes
[04:27] <Hitch-Hiker> and Mplayer
[04:27] <Gwildor> plasmo, every time i play?
[04:27] <plasmo> u could
[04:27] <plasmo> to turn it off . go to computer > desk perf > sound . untick sound server
[04:27] <Gwildor> do i need it?, what exactly did i just disable?
[04:28] <plasmo> disables system sounds like clicking noises and stuff :s
[04:28] <Gwildor> good
[04:28] <Gwildor> hehe
[04:28] <plasmo> ;)
[04:28] <Gwildor> now i have another question, since i browsed thru ET messages
[04:29] <Gwildor> im in hoary, and XORG, but the messages that ET spits point to Xfree
[04:29] <aaroncuk> is hoary as stable as warty??
[04:29] <Gwildor> eww, and my vid card is set to axp 1x, gonna have to fix that
[04:30] <paul__> OK, next question.  For some reason my screen res is 840x600 and I cannot set it using the GUI tool to 1024xwhatever 'cause 800x640 is the highest res option.  Is there a way to do this via the GUI or should I do it from the shell somehow?
[04:30] <Gwildor> aaroncuk, im not having to many terrible problems, just slight, and im a newb, so i cant fix on my own
[04:30] <topyli> aaroncuk: not really. most notably, evolution is broken
[04:30] <Gwildor> really, i dont use it anyways
[04:30] <aaroncuk> hmm best stick to warty for now lol
[04:31] <will> say i want to complie a program, do i simply type make in its dir? are there any special switches i need?
[04:31] <plasmo> paul: sudo gedit/etc/X11/XF86Config-4.conf or xorg.conf
[04:31] <Phr0stByte> will: ./configure > make > sudo make install
[04:32] <plasmo> apt-get install checkinstall :)
[04:32] <Gwildor> umm, xorg.conf is empty, but ogra told me i was using xorg, was he wrong?
[04:33] <riz> Can everyone who uses firefox confirm it supposed to take up about 100MB memory even with 1 tab open?
[04:33] <riz> coz that sucks
[04:33] <plasmo> mine says about 73mb
[04:34] <topyli> Gwildor: try 'X -version'
[04:34] <Phr0stByte> 72.8
[04:34] <riz> is there anything that can be done to minimize the memory usage?
[04:34] <aaroncuk> how do i stop X runnin by dfault, dont want it running on my server once its set up
[04:34] <riz> Ive tried disabling memory cache
[04:34] <topyli> aaroncuk: uninstall GDM
[04:35] <Gwildor> topyli, doesnt say XORG outright, but it does point me to gwildor@ubuntu:~ $ X -version for problems
[04:35] <Gwildor> opps, copied wrong thing
[04:35] <riz> Just checked mine is 87.5MB when I start it with 1 tab, its still a lot of memory
[04:35] <usual> is ubuntuforums down?
[04:35] <riz> yeah
[04:35] <Gwildor> topyli, http://wiki.X.Org for problems
[04:35] <usual> k
[04:36] <usual> anyone know a url for a human xmms theme
[04:36] <topyli> Gwildor: ok, i don't think xfree would give that advice :)
[04:36] <Phr0stByte> Heya LinuxJones
[04:36] (mir/#ubuntu) Anyone knows when Mozilla FF 1.0 will be released in Ubuntu??.. Do I have to w8 for Hoary ?
[04:37] <Gwildor> topyli, but my xorg.conf is empty, less i used the wrong path, can you toss the correct path for xorg.conf?
[04:37] <riz> yeah you have to wait for Hoary
[04:37] <Gwildor> mir,  hoary
[04:37] <plasmo> ff 1.0 wont be released in warty
[04:37] <riz> but you can update your repository
[04:37] <Phr0stByte> mir: I dont think it matters, being that you can update it from the application...
[04:37] <topyli> Gwildor: no, this is a warty box
[04:37] <riz> to get the new version
[04:37] <Gwildor> mir,  after a release, all new stuff goes to next release
[04:37] <Gwildor> topyli, kk
[04:37] <aaroncuk> whats python newt... my ubuntu installation is stuck on 'setting up python-newt'
[04:37] <Gwildor> anyone know the correct path to xorg.conf?
[04:37] <riz> or download it from www.mozilla.org
[04:37] (mir/#ubuntu) Ok.. Anyone running hoary here?..
[04:37] <will> Phr0stByte: is that the complete command(all 1 command?)
[04:38] <plasmo> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:38] <Gwildor> mir, i am
[04:38] <Gwildor> plasmo, thnx
[04:38] <aaroncuk> the cursor is flashing but its not doing alot
[04:38] <Phr0stByte> will: no
[04:38] (mir/#ubuntu) Gwildor: Any serious problems ?
[04:38] <Phr0stByte> will: three seperate commands
[04:38] <Gwildor> mir, evolution is broke
[04:38] <Gwildor> topyli, i fibbed, its not empty :)
[04:38] <kensai> is ubuntuforums.org down?
[04:39] <riz> Gwildor,  is that it? Does'nt it like screw up everything, like X sever?
[04:39] <topyli> Gwildor: found the real file now?
[04:39] <Gwildor> mir,  thats about it, that i can find, but im a newb
[04:39] (mir/#ubuntu) Gwildor: I can live with for a couple of weeks
[04:39] <Gwildor> riz, nope
[04:39] <Gwildor> riz, didnt for me
[04:39] <Matt|> evolution works fine here
[04:39] <riz> hmm
[04:39] <plasmo> yeah i think the forums is down
[04:39] <Gwildor> topyli, yup, got the REAL file
[04:39] (mir/#ubuntu) Gwildor: Maybee I should try it.. Anyone else with experiance from Hoary?....
[04:39] <will> Phr0stByte: whats a good c complier?
[04:40] <Matt|> mir, yeah it's fine
[04:40] <tom`> I have a monitor that squeals when under X (but not when sleeping or when at a console). Any chance fiddling with XF86Config could fix this? (the squealing seems to have started since moving from debian sid to ubuntu)
[04:40] <topyli> riz: it works right now except for evo, but you never know what will break tomorrow :)
[04:40] <plasmo> just apt-get install build-essential
[04:40] <Phr0stByte> will: g++
[04:40] <RubenV> will: gcc ;)
[04:40] <plasmo> all the stuff u need for compiling
[04:40] <Phr0stByte> gcc
[04:40] <Matt|> what's all this about evolution? it's working fine
[04:40] <riz> topyli, ah ok, I thought I read in the forums of people updating and having to install Warty again
[04:40] <Gwildor> mir, i dont use evolution, so i dont mind, and sed was broken a few days ago, but fixed quickly
[04:40] <Matt|> Gwildor, goddammit evolution is working fine
[04:41] <Gwildor> riz, only time i have to re-install is when i try the binarydrive wiki howto
[04:41] <topyli> riz: depends on what qualifies as "broken" for you
[04:41] (mir/#ubuntu) Gwildor: I will give it a try.... Thanks
[04:41] <Gwildor> Matt|, i didnt know, someone else said that a bit ago, i dont use it, was just relaying info
[04:41] <Matt|> Gwildor, no it's fine
[04:41] <riz> gwildor, topyli: is there a performance increase? Or significant advantages in upgrading?
[04:41] <Gwildor> Matt|, hoary?, i will maek a note to tell ppl when they ask
[04:42] <Matt|> riz, not really. The advantages are that you get recent packages
[04:42] <will> what has happened to Evolution in hoary?
[04:42] <Matt|> will, nothing it's fine
[04:42] <will> works 4 me!
[04:42] <Matt|> will, just the rumour mongerers ;)
[04:42] <topyli> riz: i'll upgrade my production boxen only once gnome is stable. otherwise i don't care really
[04:42] <will> ic
[04:42] <Gwildor> riz, i lost a few fps, but im too scared to mees with X to fix it
[04:42] <Phr0stByte> topyli: here here!
[04:43] <riz> ah ok, when will suport and new packages for warty be dropped completly?
[04:43] <ermo> Matt|, is evo still in C in hoary?
[04:43] <topyli> will: evolution crashes sometimes. and imap is b0rken too. or that was the situation when i downgraded :)
[04:43] <Gwildor> riz, 18 months?, or is that just security?
[04:43] <Matt|> ermo, huh?
[04:43] <will> this ./configure is taking ages!
[04:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) riz: 18 months for security, new pakages etc arent done at all now and all work goes on in hoary
[04:44] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: alo tof them do
[04:44] <plasmo> will : lol
[04:44] <riz> Gwildor, I meant generally, as in all update, security and tohers
[04:44] <riz> *others
[04:44] <paul__> I am unable to find xorg.config or any config files in X11 where I can set my screen res!? Any ideas
[04:44] <will> so is ./configure related to the dir im in?
[04:44] <Gwildor> riz, seems that only security updates for warty now, everything else goes in hoary
[04:44] <plasmo> probli you are running xfree86 then
[04:44] <will> and what does it do???
[04:44] <ermo> Matt|, nevermind. I was referring to the fact that evo will be ported to C#/Mono in due time.
[04:44] <plasmo> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:44] <Matt|> ermo, you have to ask the developers about that
[04:45] <ermo> Matt|, roger.
[04:45] <riz> cool, thanks for your help everybody! bye, ps Ubuntu rocks!
[04:45] <topyli> riz: in 18 months from warty release, you must upgrade
[04:45] <riz> topyli, as in a forced upgrade?
[04:45] <topyli> yes. no more bux fixes
[04:45] <plasmo> no more support :)
[04:45] <riz> makes sense
[04:45] <topyli> bug even
[04:46] <Gwildor> topyli, riz, dont have too, just that is the end of the line for warty
[04:46] <topyli> Gwildor: of course, you can continue patching packages yourself :)
[04:47] <Gwildor> topyli, yes, i just wanted riz to be clear that he doesnt HAVE to , as in he is not being forced, he has a choice
[04:47] <topyli> Gwildor: sure. it's hadrer to keep patching windows 95 than an old linux distro =)
[04:48] <topyli> harder that is
[04:49] <ermo> topyli, and a lot more pointless.
[04:49] <paul__> OK, I am still lost with the sreen res.  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 lsit all the relevant screen resolution options and it is not clear where I should change anything yet the GUI tool only gives me an option between 800x600 and 640x480?
[04:50] <Gwildor> topyli, i understand, just wanted riz to be clear
[04:50] <Gwildor> topyli, he asked FORCED UPGRADE, and you said YES, but its not really forced
[04:50] <Gwildor> :)
[04:50] <Gwildor> all done
[04:50] <topyli> Gwildor: sure. there's no quarrel here, we're nitpicking really :)
[04:51] <Gwildor> topyli, good, i hate to feel like im arguing :)
[04:51] <aaroncuk>  grr trying to reinstall ubuntu and its stcuk on the setting up python-newt line.. cursor is bliking but it aint doing anything
[04:51] <plasmo> add in other resolutions "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" etc
[04:52] <topyli> Gwildor: hehe. me too, particularly whan i'm supposedly not :)
[04:52] <Gwildor> topyli, exaclty, i didnt think we were, but i dint want you too
[04:52] <plasmo> aaroncuk : maybe a corupt cd :/
[04:53] <aaroncuk> ive installed ok from it before.. its got past the main install its just installing all the files that its downloaded
[04:53] <topyli> Gwildor: we're so friendly it
[04:53] <Gwildor> hehe
[04:53] <topyli> 's sickening =)
[04:53] <Gwildor> lol
[04:54] <Gwildor> aaroncuk, is it a downloaded file, or was that on the disk?, maybe hter is a dirty spot on the disk
[04:55] <aaroncuk> eek! i dont want to install it again lol!
[04:55] <Gwildor> hahaha
[04:55] <Gwildor> im on #5
[04:55] <aaroncuk> this will be 3 today lol
[04:55] <Gwildor> rolf
[04:55] <polytan> hello
[04:55] <Gwildor> what do you do to break your install?
[04:55] <Gwildor> hi hi
[04:56] <tost> hello guys, i wanted to install ubuntu linux...
[04:56] <Gwildor> tost, do it
[04:56] <plasmo> do it.. do it..
[04:56] <tost> yeah but i need any informations about it...
[04:56] <Gwildor> ask away
[04:56] <Gwildor> were all friends here
[04:56] <tost> yeah great community i see
[04:57] <Gwildor> i guess you could start at www.ubuntu.com, bring any further questions here
[04:57] <tost> i need a good faq (maybe in german) or is this in topic really good ?
[04:57] <plasmo> ahhh german
[04:57] <Gwildor> site is in english,
[04:57] <tost> i have no idea, what ubuntu is , so i need some help ;-)
[04:57] <plasmo> www.ubuntuusers.de/ for you germans out there
[04:58] <Gwildor> there you go
[04:58] <tost> ah thx plasmo
[04:58] <plasmo> ;)
[04:58] <tost> whats the newest version ?
[04:58] <plasmo> warty
[04:58] <plasmo> hoary is in development
[04:58] <jysse> whats
[04:58] <Gwildor> hoary is usable though
[04:58] <jysse> typo
[04:59] <jysse> what's wrong with ubuntuforums ?
[04:59] <Gwildor> down
[04:59] <plasmo> it seems down
[04:59] <tost> ubuntu is based on debian ? am i right ?
[04:59] <plasmo> yep
[05:00] <Gwildor> they still unoficial?, or do they get conocial support now?
[05:00] <pl0vs> Gwildor, unoficial
[05:00] <Gwildor> kk
[05:00] <tost> but i hope it's easier then debian ;-)
[05:00] <plasmo> :D
[05:00] <Gwildor> maybe thats why they are down, they are moving to canocial?