 https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/09/verizon-kicks-8500-rural-customers-off-network-for-using-roaming-data/
 https://zandronum.com/tracker/changelog_page.php?project_id=1
 Zandronum 3.0 apperantly came out recently
 more DOOM?
 Zandronum works with more then just Doom
 Heretic and Hexen as well
 @KMyers have you tried the Repetier server raspberry pi image?
 @AdamOutler, Yes, octoprint works better
 downloading. thanks.  I'm going to set it up with a RPI 3 in my garage.
 USB support?
 @AdamOutler, Yes. It even has a slicer built in. You can also setup a web cam to monitor the print remotely. The paid mobile app even has Android Wear support
 OK Great!
 How do these things handle objects which are too big?
 @AdamOutler, Not well. It will print anything that will fit and leave the rest out. The best thing to do is to take it into a cad application and chop it up.
 @SivaMachina I'm a open arena / quake fan. I love all the work put into doom projects too
 @govatent, Mostly have an attraction to Doom. Because I think it was my first none child computer game on PC
 I*
 @Ivoriesablaze / @RazPi ∆
 OMG
 Assuming it is not a hoax
 Got it from wsvn
 https://m.facebook.com/7NewsMiami/photos/a.78586137612.81094.29790827612/10155047481307613/?type=3&source=54
 Perfect timing?
 South Park is trolling voice assistants in this episode http://southpark.cc.com/clips/8upq8h/alexa-took-our-jobs
 I just saw that article
 Lol
 got a Pixel!
 \o/
 Nice
 feel like I'm crack lol
 XL 128GB
 I have 2 notifications about 8.0 lol
 @AdamOutler regarding that south park episode, I watched it. It was pretty funny take on Alex/home and Ai vs people losing jobs. At the same time, it should always be prefaced that the writers of South park don't care about being politically correct and say whatever they feel which sometimes can be extreme. So I know a lot of people dislike the show for how they touch on subjects. I thought it was a great
[14:13] <floridagram-bot> episode.
 I watched a documentary about how they create a show. It's crazy the relationship they have built with comedy central's show review process for TV and the process they have built for producing shows in short time spans.
 target's website is down
 what did you do @govatent
 lol
 They may have another breech lol
 I would hate to be their admins right now.
 Did they hire a Music Major to be in charge of security like a Credit Agency did?
 One of my old high school friends recently moved to California to work for Walmart. He does front and back end development for Walmart.com
 Lmao Keith
 Everything I see the Walmart page act funny, I text a angry message to my friend
 @ahoneybun - what color did you get?
 Black/Grey
 Nice!
 Getting a case now, ordered one at Amazon but I don't want to wait to get one
 Where are you going to get it?
 Walmart don't know if best buy is open
 Just want anything to be honest
 You may want to try a Verizon store
 Why?
 I'm already at walmart
 They were the exclusive carrier of the pixels in store
 Mm
 Any other reason @KMyers ?
 @ahoneybun, No but since they carried the phones in store, it makes sense they carried cases.
 I tried to get a pixel at Best Buy about a month ago and they had none unlocked.
 I could also fire up the 3D Printer
 It's something
 Nice
 Got it all on
 Turned out better then I thought
 Awesome!  Thanks Keith.
 Does it all work?
 Yep perfect
 My headphone port was screwed on my pixel.
 I'm on a Refurb atm
 Ahh that port worked in the cad
 I got a new one
 Wait are you driving to get him?
 No. That photo is a joke
 Hector - up for underground's?
[18:16] <floridagram-bot> <Hector Arista> Ok, getting ready
 Hey sorry not sure if I can be there so early. Maybe later tonight though, depends on work.
 @ahoneybun - Get ready . I am leaving in a few
 Alright we're basically home anyway
 @KMyers glad you posted that humble indie bundle game, I was meaning to put it here.
 @itnet7, NP. I need to claim it. How did you fair the storm?
 You guys are going to that Coffee place again? I need to get down there one day. As it is I'm stuck pet sitting as my wife is in NJ 😭
 @itnet7, Damn. Maybe next time than
 We did okay only minor soffit damage, some mild flooding, FPL got it power back up really quickly. Is your power back @KMyers
 Bring the Nexus 6p box if you can @KMyers
 I already left. We can get it later
 @ahoneybun step outside
 Don't drop a piano on me lol
 Poweradd ChargerCenter, Compact 185Wh/50000mAh Portable Generator, Power Source (DC 5V/12V/19V) with AC Power Inverter (115V/100W) for Smartphone, iPa https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZYKQT98/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apap_T8JSaDjROawQZ
 Someone please test my new number.<PHONE_NUMBER>
<PHONE_NUMBER>
 Just got to the Cafe
 Are we done with this chat now?
 Nope
 Whoops.  wrong chat.
 I have a Nexus 6P with a broken screen.  I'm in the chat queue.
 Ahh
 @AdamOutler, Do you have Nexus Protect


[12:26] <shannon> can anyone help me install tiled on my ubuntu to where i can use it and not just look at the files
[12:27] <ikonia> shannon: if you join #ubuntu people can support and help you
[12:27] <shannon> i asked the same question and it was like i never exist
[12:27] <rww> They already are in there. I assume they found their way here through the undetailed mention of this channel in #ubuntu's /topic.
[12:28] <rww> ubottu: patience
[12:29] <ikonia> shannon: people are busy and don't always see the question, or know the answer. If you sit tight in there and repeat the question ever say 10 minutes someone will hopefully respond
[12:29] <shannon> yes but tiled is a program for mappers and on the site i have this new peace of crap called tile qt
[12:29] <shannon> and it want let me save my maps as wlk files
[12:31] <tsimpson> shannon: this is not a support channel
[20:29] <bazhang> o/
[20:30] <guntbert> hi again
[20:31] <guntbert> I attempted to create a factoid (like tellushere, or so ) but never came around
[20:32] <bazhang> to avoid PM?
[20:32] <bazhang> ah the ubuntuforums issue
[20:35] <DJones> People seem to expect instant answers from the forums, when they don't get them, then they come to IRC
[20:36] <bazhang> true; I think what he is referring to is the ubuntuforums.org post <--- help with this plz questions
[20:36] <bazhang> ie not a detail at all, just the link
[20:38] <DJones> true, its more worrying when they don't use known ubuntuforums and its just a random forum, after the link spam problems recently, how many people would consider clicking to check the link
[20:38] <bazhang> yep especially the link from user 'mao' a bit earlier
[20:39] <DJones> There was somebody asking whether a website they linked was working earlier, maybe I'm overly paranoid, but i just put the link into downforeveryoneorjustme rather than test it myself
[20:40] <bazhang> that was the exploit
[20:40] <DJones> I must have missed the 'mao' links, was that in the last couple of hours, been out fixing my father-in-laws broadband for a while
[20:41] <DJones> yes, just did lastlog, i was getting my fingers dirty then
[20:42] <rww> This is why NoScript (or equivalent) is a good idea ;P
[20:42] <bazhang> true :)


[09:32] <alvin> I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu. It wasn't really what I expected.
[09:33] <oye> How is that?
[09:33] <alvin> At first boot, plasma crashes a few times. How can I set the default panels in plasma? (Not: erasing .kde. I already did that and it's the same trouble as on fresh start.)
[09:34] <alvin> Also, I set the language to 'English' (in KDE, actually, I let the default stand) and the country to "Belgium". Now, all my locales, except LANG are German...
[09:35] <alvin> A friend had the same problem. I thought he just selected something wrong.
[09:35] <alvin> Is there some plasmarc file I can copy?
[09:52] <caldera> hi
[09:52] <caldera> I have problems with shares on kubuntu
[09:52] <caldera> can anybody help me
[10:20] <alvin> You never know until you ask
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:04] <fractaline> hey BluesKaj
[12:05] <BluesKaj> hey fractaline
[12:06] <fractaline> where are you?
[12:06] <fractaline> globaly speaking
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Ontario Canada
[12:09] <BluesKaj> fractaline, you in Brisbane Australia ?
[12:09] <fractaline> far north
[12:13] <BluesKaj> was guessing by your IP , mine shows me 40 miles to east of my actual location ..it's where the "switch" is located
[12:13] <fractaline> 24 hour drive
[12:14] <fractaline> what do you use to see the ip?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> from brisbane ?
[12:14] <fractaline> yes
[12:14] <BluesKaj> whois
[12:16] <BluesKaj> I use a znc bouncer to connect to freenode
[12:17] <fractaline> is that why i can't see?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> no , I also hve my nicks cloaked with freenode
[12:17] <BluesKaj> !cloak
[12:18] <fractaline> aha...
[12:19] <fractaline> man that bot is versatile
[12:19] <BluesKaj> it's a good method of preventing irate users from getting to the first stage of trying to track you down..
[12:20] <fractaline> :O
[12:20] <fractaline> but you're too nice...
[12:21] <dundee> Hi all. Is there a way how to make kubuntu show services being started on boot up?
[12:21] <fractaline> Canadians are nice
[12:21] <BluesKaj> a russian guy managed to hammer my router waaay back and he also tried to steal my nick ...nasty piece of work
[13:31] <menace> is there any problem when i mix the update and the backport repository from the kubuntu team?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> menace, there shouldn't be  , backports are part of the repos and work fine when enabled
[13:35] <BluesKaj> !backports | menace
[13:35] <menace> !packaging
[13:37] <yofel> menace: you're probably looking for https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs, there shouldn't be any issues, but it's not explicitely tested either
[14:16] <wilmaaaah> hi! i'm looking for software to produce pro/con lists. any recommendations? tia
[14:30] <gade> 111
[14:32] <gade> ?
[14:32] <gade> what's this?
[14:32] <Pici> This is the official Kubuntu support Channel
[14:34] <gade> ok
[14:35] <decci> How to install dell dtk iso on ubuntu
[14:36] <decci> Anyone tried hands on Dell syscfg and related on Ubuntu
[14:39] <OerHeks> decci, AFAIK you can easily install the debs >> http://linux.dell.com/repo/community/deb/latest/
[14:51] <decci> OerHeks: Is it similar to dtk.iso which dell provides
[14:52] <decci> OerHeks: Similar to ftp://ftp.dell.com/sysman/dtk_2.4.1_41_Linux.iso
[14:54] <gade> PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S  %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[14:54] <gade> 17101 gade      39  19 58432  38m 7708 S  69.0  1.0   0:42.71 virtuoso-t
[14:54] <gade> 17410 gade      39  19 99792  20m  15m S  29.2  0.5   0:14.13 nepomukservices
[14:54] <FloodBotK1> gade: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:54] <gade> Take up memory
[14:55] <gade> ok
[14:55] <gade> sorry
[15:01] <gade>  I don't known   what's   the  " virtuoso-t" and "nepomukservices"  ,   when i  start the  OS    take up my  "CPU"
[15:16] <gade> Good night ~   Some friends ~      Bye~  all my friends~
[15:44] <roland> hi!. I updated a kubuntu 12.04 system and after updating KDE won't boot anymore
[15:45] <roland> I'm able to get into recovery console, but startx won't work
[15:45] <lordievader> roland: Have you installed a video card driver? And if so, how?
[15:46] <roland> I installed ati driver from ati website, from the commandline
[15:46] <howard_>  Next Kubuntu team meeting is listed as Wednesday, 21 Nov 2012 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/ContactUs
[15:46] <howard_> When is the actual date for the meeting?
[15:47] <lordievader> There was probably a kernel update among the update you've installed. Try reinstalling the video-driver.
[15:47] <lordievader> roland: It's the downside of a manual driver install, kernel updates usually break the driver.
[15:55] <roland> lordievader: thanx, reinstalling driver helped
[15:56] <lordievader> roland: Good to hear :)
[15:57] <roland> I wonder, why doesn't the amd driver installer warn, to not do any kernel updates
[15:58] <lordievader> roland: I have a feeling you are expected to know that.
[16:00] <howard_> When is next Kubuntu team meeting?
[16:00] <roland> they could implement a reinstall callback after kernel update, that shouldn't be that hard
[16:14] <EwithTheBigD123> Hey I'm having some issues installing any drivers. I keep getting errors and all the log files look the same. I was wondering if anyone could help  http://pastebin.com/Kr60JQXT
[16:15] <EwithTheBigD123> if anyone is out there
[16:15] <BluesKaj> what's your question , EwithTheBigD123
[16:16] <EwithTheBigD123> is there anyway to fix it?
[16:16] <lordievader> EwithTheBigD123: Could it be that /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx-updates_2%3a9.012-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb is corrupted?
[16:17] <EwithTheBigD123> i tried a complete reinstall and that would have fixed it, but it didnt
[18:24] <ka___> Just rebooted and suddenly network manager is gone on my main machine. What to do? A reinstall?
[18:26] <divhim> hello :)
[18:27] <lordievader> Hey divhim
[19:55] <rosco_y> how do you install fonts?
[19:55] <rosco_y> I downloaded a ttf font that I want to use in gimp
[19:57] <Unit193> rosco_y: Put them in ~/.fonts/  and run fc-cache
[19:57] <rosco_y> Unit193: ty :)
[19:57] <genii-around> or xset fp rehash
[20:00] <rosco_y> genii-around: thanks :)
[20:01] <cp> rosco_y:   kdesudo to system settings > font management [at the bottom] > add
[20:01] <cp> if you don't want them system-wide, they just run systemsettings without kdesudo :)
[20:18] <rosco_y> cp--Thanks!
[20:44] <acteek> hello
[20:45] <BluesKaj> acteek, hi
[20:49] <acteek> There is someone from Russia
[20:53] <BluesKaj> !ru | acteek
[22:30] <paul__> screen saver issues...anyone??
[22:31] <paul__> it keeps kicking in even tho Ive turned it off
[22:47] <valorie> paul__: screen saver, or screen locker?
[22:47] <paul__> saver
[22:47] <valorie> I dunno then
[22:48] <paul__> thx anywho
[22:50] <paul__> I turned off the power management service...we'll c how that worked


[00:52] <Hornet> hi; having 'issues' installing grub on a server, namely, it won't install automatically and I can't see the wood for trees about how to install it manually
[00:52] <Hornet> default guess is /sda, which fails
[00:53] <Hornet> I made a seperate boot partition, but that seems invisible to ash, although it messes with mount points so who really knows
[00:53] <Hornet> this is 12.4 if it matters
[00:53] <Hornet> and yes I want to use 13.10, but it has a critical bug which prevents me
[00:54] <RoyK> it's 12.04 btw
[00:54] <Hornet> yes him
[00:55] <sheptard> Hornet: so grub loads partially?
[00:55] <Hornet> it tries to install and fails
[00:55] <Hornet> it guesses /sda
[00:56] <RoyK> add a /dev to that
[00:56] <Hornet> I cannot see the boot partition in df -h so I have no idea what it did to it
[00:56] <Hornet> well sda is in the raid anyway
[00:56] <RoyK> check /proc/partitions
[00:56] <sheptard> Hornet: check fstab, sometimes /boot isn't mounted
[00:56] <Hornet> so it should be part of sde
[00:56] <sheptard> or yeah, /proc/partitions is better
[00:56] <Hornet> hm, hang on
[00:56] <Hornet> this is a computer in the other room to the bloody server
[00:56] <sheptard> and I think the command would be sudo grub-install /dev/sde
[00:56] <Hornet> so tennis ahoy
[00:57] <Hornet> sde has multiple partitions too, but hopefully yes
[00:57] <Hornet> something simple like that would be refreshing
[00:57] <sheptard> or alternatively, play musical sata ports until your disk ends up in the port for sda, instead of sde
[00:57] <Hornet> can't, server doesn't allow that
[00:57] <sheptard> que
[00:58] <RoyK> doesn't really matter the device name
[00:58] <apb1963> any bootp fanatics here?  And perhaps just maybe intimate with dhcpdump?  I'm seeing things I just don't understand.  Like... why is my system broadcasting bootp requests?   Why is it sending them to a private address?  How is it that I'm actually getting responses?  And why won't it stop?  Here's a capture file: http://fpaste.org/83863/41241313/
[00:58] <apb1963> ubuntu 12.04
[01:09] <Hornet> jesus this is mad
[01:10] <Hornet> looks like sde1 is the right target
[01:10] <Hornet> but can't mount it
[01:10] <Hornet> ash won't see grub-install as a command
[01:10] <Hornet> nor apt-get
[01:10] <Hornet> so ....
[01:11] <Hornet> sheptard, disks have to stay where they are, there's only one physical location for a non-raid disk and it's in it
[01:11] <Hornet> sde* is all the non-raid stuff
[01:14] <Hornet> anybody? can't turn the server off until this is sorted
[01:15] <Hornet> and will be in a worse state than bare metal if I have to start again tomorrow
[01:15] <Hornet> afaict everything's set up other than grub
[01:21] <apb1963> Hornet: use fdisk -l to see your partitions
[01:23] <Hornet> apb1963: this is ash, not bash
[01:23] <Hornet> so no fdisk
[01:24] <Hornet> stuck at the last stage of installation
[01:24] <apb1963> fdisk isn't builtin to the shell
[01:25] <Hornet> apb1963: so can I use it another way?
[01:26] <Hornet> atm it doesn't work, I don't know the details of what ash can and can't do
[01:26] <apb1963> Hornet: I don't quite understand the question
[01:26] <apb1963> Hornet: You typed fdisk -l and it said... ?
[01:26] <Hornet> fdisk: not found
[01:26] <Hornet> this isn't a live system, it's still in the installer
[01:27] <Hornet> it has ash and presumably some things
[01:27] <Hornet> seems grub-install isn't one of them though
[01:27] <Hornet> so quite how I can install this system I don't know
[01:27] <apb1963> so finish the install and then come back and install grub later
[01:27] <Hornet> it won't boot!
[01:27] <apb1963> why not?
[01:27] <Hornet> no grub?
[01:27] <apb1963> what happens?
[01:28] <apb1963> is there an error?
[01:28] <Hornet> I strongly expect so
[01:28] <Hornet> if I restart and it breaks I lose hours of work
[01:28] <apb1963> You don't know?
[01:28] <apb1963> hmm
[01:28] <Hornet> I can drive a car off of a cliff to see if it falls, yes
[01:28] <Hornet> I dont know until I test it
[01:28] <Hornet> but I have a very good idea
[01:29] <apb1963> I'm pretty sure grub isn't required to boot
[01:29] <apb1963> let me take a quick look...
[01:29] <Hornet> this is a raid system
[01:29] <Hornet> single OS, tbf
[01:31] <Hornet> fs
[01:31] <Hornet> in other room now
[01:31] <Hornet> laptop didn't like that at all
[01:31] <Hornet> and nor did the people leeching from the torrents on the external hdd
[01:31] <Hornet> oh well
[01:31] <Hornet> they can get their lain later
[01:32] <apb1963> what does ls -l /dev/mapper say?
[01:33] <Hornet> control iirc
[01:33] <Hornet> one sec
[01:33] <Hornet> this is mdadm raid, not bios or fakeraid
[01:33] <apb1963> what kind of raid are you doing?  bios? software? fake?
[01:33] <apb1963> ok
[01:34] <Hornet> crw----- 1 root root
[01:34] <Hornet> mdstat's at 16%, to give you an idea of how long this has been set up
[01:35] <Hornet> and this is a 6tb raid 6 array
[01:35] <Hornet> none of the ubu server docs mention grub within the context of raid
[01:35] <apb1963> Hornet: suggest reading all the way through this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/43036/how-do-i-install-grub-on-a-raid-system-installation
[01:35] <Hornet> yet that's a surefire breakage
[01:36] <Hornet> I've googled it too, yes :\
[01:36] <Hornet> that's a different raid setup aiui
[01:37] <Hornet> thing is I have a partition that was meant to be used for /boot, but can't mount or select it
[01:38] <Hornet> at the point where I may as well restart it and see what smokes
[01:38] <Hornet> and repair if I can from a live usb stick with something that resembles a real os
[01:38] <Hornet> otherwise start again tomorrow
[01:38] <Hornet> fs
[01:38] <apb1963> The gist of it that I got from a quick skim was you need to create a small ( 1 mb ) partition flagged as bios_boot to install grub on GPT
[01:40] <Hornet> the installer did something like that automatically
[01:40] <Hornet> but seems not to have flagged it?
[01:40] <Hornet> basically it's halfarsed it and left me high & dry
[01:41] <Hornet> wonder if I should start again without grub
[01:41] <Hornet> raid even
[01:41] <Hornet> then create manually later
[01:41] <Hornet> more trouble than it's worth
[01:41] <Hornet> ridiculous system
[01:41] <apb1963> things are always a mystery until you know the answer :)
[01:41] <Hornet> well, ash won't let me install grub
[01:42] <Hornet> so that's basically a golden 'screw you' surely
[01:42] <Hornet> it's now saying I'll have to boot manually passing parameters
[01:43] <Hornet> so here comes that cliff
[01:43] <Hornet> sigh
[01:44] <Hornet> restarting
[01:45] <GeekDude> darthanubis: Hey. I reformatted (don't ask), and installed xubuntu server. I can mount drives, and am generally pleased with it. I swapped out firefox for midori and removed gimp, but other than that it's pretty nice
[01:45] <Hornet> nothing there
[01:45] <Hornet> wonderful
[01:45] <Hornet> black screen, no dhcp allocated
[01:45] <Hornet> dead box
[01:45] <Hornet> told you
[01:45] <darthanubis> GeekDude, glad it worked out
[01:47] <Hornet> LOL
[01:47] <Hornet> fuck me
[01:47] <Hornet> the stick I was planning to use to recover it, seems to be 13.10
[01:47] <Hornet> AKA usb keyboards die
[01:47] <Hornet> which is all I have to use
[01:47] <apb1963> !nomodeset
[01:47] <Hornet> jesus
[01:49] <Hornet> it would have been on the network
[01:49] <apb1963> I was going to ask if you had gdisk or gparted... but I guess I took too long :/
[01:49] <Hornet> no, it's the installer
[01:49] <Hornet> gnome anything is unusable
[01:49] <Hornet> so now I'll have to start all over again without raid I think
[01:50] <Hornet> and toast all my partitions
[01:50] <Hornet> last chance, will see if the 12.4 installer has a usable recovery anything
[01:51] <apb1963> gdisk has nothing to do with gnome
[01:51] <Hornet> hm, what am I thinking of then
[01:51] <Hornet> anyway, sod all was available
[01:51] <Hornet> so I highly doubt it
[01:52] <apb1963> nor does gparted for that matter
[01:52] <Hornet> in rescue mode now
[01:52] <Hornet> need laptop charger, brb
[01:52] <apb1963> you could have also tried cfdisk
[01:53] <apb1963> which is curses based
[01:54] <apb1963> did you try nomodeset?
[01:54] <Hornet> well, in rescue mode atm
[01:54] <Hornet> I had no opportunity to do anything
[01:54] <Hornet> boots to nothing
[01:54] <apb1963> !nomodeset | hornet
[01:54] <Hornet> not on network either
[01:55] <Hornet> how could I add a kernel parameter without grub or seeing what I'm doing?
[01:55] <apb1963> well, that is in fact a good question
[01:56] <apb1963> the truth is out there
[01:56] <Hornet> anyway, rescue mode can't assemble the raid
[01:57] <Hornet> tl:dr; all fucked, abort abort abort
[01:57] <Hornet> will restart from bare metal without raid
[01:57] <apb1963> don't know if you know it, but there's also a #ubuntu which is more active at the moment... maybe someone there can help
[01:57] <Hornet> it's too active
[01:57] <Hornet> it's drowned in noise
[01:57] <apb1963> just add to the noise... if someone sees your question... they'll try to help
[01:57] <Hornet> thanks for the assistance though, is much appreciated
[01:57] <Hornet> heh
[01:58] <apb1963> sorry I didn't know the answer... lots of info out there... but it does take quite a bit of sifting.
[02:05] <Hornet> apb1963: np, thanks all the same, and partly that's the problem
[02:05] <Hornet> so many similar problems with inapplicable solutions
[02:05] <Hornet> that give partial anecdote-based answers
[02:06] <Hornet> ubuntu rescue mode is messing around atm
[02:06] <Hornet> just as well I have nothing to lose, in theory
[02:06] <Hornet> otherwise I'd be concerned
[02:06] <Hornet> given my luck it'll blow the bloody fusebox nexyt
[02:06] <Hornet> -y
[02:07] <apb1963> yeah... unfortunately this whole OS is a bit of trial & error.... no two systems are exactly alike.  Different combinations of hardware & software... lots of choices leads to a tower of babble.    I've got my own frustrations :/
[02:09] <Hornet> I'd be happier if I were able to use a newer version
[02:09] <Hornet> 2 year old software isn't great
[02:09] <Hornet> 13.04 has a critical bug though, so I can't do anything with it
[02:10] <Hornet> 12.10 would mean two upgrade hops and is too old for support anyway
[02:10] <Hornet> so weirdly, 12.04 is the only option
[02:10] <apb1963> Yeah, 12.04 is LTS "can't go wrong" with that solution.
[02:11] <apb1963> You have a choice of "stability" vs. latest & greatest features with all the bugs included.  It's a tradeoff.
[02:11] <apb1963> I went with stability.  Not sure I'm happy about it.
[02:12] <Hornet> this is why I can't use debian any more
[02:12] <Hornet> solid yes, but by the time you use anything it's basically half a decade old
[02:13] <Hornet> only other OS I could consider is fedora
[02:13] <apb1963> yeah, I hear ya.
[02:13] <Hornet> admittedly a lot better than it was
[02:13] <Hornet> but still, hardly my first port of call
[02:13] <apb1963> Sorry but... I have a phone call to deal with.. wish you luck bud
[02:13] <Hornet> np, thanks again
[02:14]  * apb1963 exits stage left
[02:14] <Hornet> 'rescue mode' seems to be 'install everything again' mode
[02:14] <Hornet> oh well
[02:15]  * Hornet ankis
[02:45] <Hornet> okay this is mad
[02:45] <Hornet> when I reboot it with the usb stick it, it seems to work as it should, but I can't log in
[02:45] <Hornet> without it, it doesn't seem to do anything
[02:45] <Hornet> usb stick is just the unetbootin installer for 12.04
[02:46] <Hornet> wonder if it's somehow installed grub on the usb stick
[02:46] <Hornet> this is mad
[04:07] <Hornet> right so, it seems that when I install ubuntu server, it latches onto the usb stick and sticks grub on there
[04:07] <Hornet> manual reinstallation of grub fails
[04:08] <Hornet> looks like it works, fstab looks fine too, but it doesn't
[04:08] <Hornet> seems my device names shuffle about sometimes
[08:52] <jamespage> rbasak, hey - what did you think about my virtual-mysql-* email?
[09:03] <rbasak> jamespage: I've been mulling over it.
[09:03] <rbasak> jamespage: it sounds good to me, but I'm not sure it's enough. What bothers me is the postrm.
[09:04] <rbasak> jamespage: AIUI, as long as we have a postrm, there are two separate sources of truth about who owns what, and this seems suboptimal to me. This is limited to my understanding though. I had to refer to the policy manual.
[10:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:46] <noobb2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2210294
[12:05] <jamespage> rbasak, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/percona-xtradb-cluster-5.5/+bug/1290331
[12:05] <jamespage> urgh
[12:07] <rbasak> jamespage: any opinions on how to fix that?
[12:08] <jamespage> rbasak, thinking about it now
[12:08] <rbasak> jamespage: it seems like a really fundamental question to me. AFAICS, it doesn't make sense for the alternatives to share the same config file path.
[12:09] <rbasak> Perhaps we need to hack something together for Trusty though.
[12:09] <jamespage> rbasak, I didn't pick this up in testing because I'm using a charm which writes the entire my.cnf before installing anything
[12:10] <jamespage> rbasak, I was just testing the virtual-* stuff and noticed this...
[12:10]  * jamespage sighs
[12:10] <rbasak> Well, that's it. Charms can handle this. I don't think it makes sense for packaging to magically handle switching out of alternatives but maintaining the same DB and config directories.
[12:11] <rbasak> That makes the assumption that they won't diverge, but being forks, clearly they will.
[12:16] <jamespage> rbasak, I was thinking we could switch out that bit into a conf.d snippet for mysql-5.5 + others
[12:16] <jamespage> but on a switch in/out that file would not be removed as its config right?
[12:18] <rbasak> jamespage: I think that would be a problem, yes. Since we permit packages to be removed but not purged, and configuration files remain in that state, yet we expect a swap-out to work in that case.
[12:22] <jamespage> rbasak, I guess the alternative is to ship with pxc disabled by default
[12:22] <jamespage> with a README
[12:22] <jamespage> looking at the maintainer script this should be OK
[12:26] <rbasak> jamespage: I can't think of a better option right now.
[12:36] <jamespage> rbasak, not sure that will work - the maintainer script want to use mysql directly if offline to manipulate the database
[12:36] <jamespage> that fails as well...
[12:42] <jamespage> rbasak, maybe patching pxc to ignore those values might work
[12:42]  * jamespage looks
[12:51] <jamespage> rbasak, going to think about it more over lunch
[13:35] <tomixxx3> hi, my ubuntu 12.04.4 lts run for several days, today i looked at it and it prints me the following command line error: "ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4090000 active 0xe frozen. ata1: irq_stat 0x00400040, connection status changed, ata1: SError: { PHYRdyChg10B8B DevExch }
[13:35] <tomixxx3> however, after hitting "enter" the system still react and i can execute commands
[13:43] <tomixxx3> what is a good energy saving program on ubuntu server 12.04.04? because i dont want ubuntu to allow to go into energy save mode, because it should always run
[13:54] <jamespage> rbasak, I'm a dulderhead
[13:55] <jamespage> /etc/mysql/conf.d/pxc.cnf (set query_cache_* to 0)
[13:55] <jamespage> #OK
[14:04] <Walex2> tomixxx3: a "program" consumes energy :-)
[14:04] <Walex2> tomixxx3: what you want is a power saving configurators. The default powersaving modules in Ubuntu seem more or less reasonablke.
[14:05] <Walex2> tomixxx3: as to that ATA error that is a hw error in th bus to the disk. That it worked still means that the bus to the disk was reset and that worked.
[14:05] <tomixxx3> walex2: i have already installed "caffeine"
[14:06] <tomixxx3> Walex2: kk
[14:06] <rbasak> jamespage: will mysql-5.5 (for example) pick that up? What if you install percona-xtradb-cluster-5.5, then remove it and install mysql-server.5.5?
[14:07] <jamespage> rbasak, its remaings
[14:07] <rbasak> jamespage: so still broken but less broken?
[14:08] <jamespage> rbasak, the pxc config is valid for mysql-5.5 - its just not the normal defaults
[14:08] <jamespage> rbasak, yes - less broken
[14:08] <Walex2> tomixxx3: the error may be just a random thing, or it may be a symptom of a failirg disk.
[14:08] <jamespage> rbasak, I'm seeing this as the least worst option right now
[14:08] <rbasak> jamespage: agreed
[14:08] <Walex2> tomixxx3: for power management, look at packages 'powermanagement-interface' and 'pm-utils'.
[14:09] <Walex2> tomixxx3: I have written my own script BTW here: http://sabi.co.uk/#almostSources
[14:12] <tomixxx3> walex2: i need a mechanism, so that my ubuntu server 12.04.4 together with a deployed OS-GUI do NOT change to any kind of power saving mode.
[14:19] <gaughen> jamespage, rbasak, smoser - just wanted to make sure you all had reviewed the vUDS schedule.  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/track/servercloud/
[14:19] <jamespage> gaughen, I just scanned through yes
[14:20] <smoser> gaughen, looks reaasonable.
[14:21] <smoser> sortiing is funy.
[14:21] <smoser> oh. no its not.
[14:22] <moparisthebest> anyone know what badblocks output means, there are 3 numbers before errors, like so:
[14:22] <moparisthebest> 17.21% done, 33:10 elapsed. (0/83943044/0 errors)
[14:23] <moparisthebest> what do those 3 numbers represent? (I'm assuming regardless this drive is dead :))
[14:37] <genii> If someone could clarify... can procmail work on outgoing or only incoming?
[14:41] <mardraum> procmail is for delivery
[14:42] <genii> mardraum: OK thanks.
[14:42] <mardraum> generally you handoff delivery to procmail
[14:42] <mardraum> if you need it for something, that is
[14:43] <genii>  We want to fetch GPG keys for recipients and add them to our local database the first time they are sent something ( or we receive something from them). For incoming procmail works fine for this, outgoing seems to be another matter.
[14:43] <mardraum> sounds like fun
[14:43] <mardraum> which MTA?
[14:43] <genii> Postfix
[14:44] <mardraum> surprised nobody has done it before with postfix :P
[14:46] <genii> Yes, it seems odd that nothing simple like procmail but for outgoing seems to be around. I looked at altermime but it seems more for rewriting/appending than for calling some arbitrary script
[14:47] <genii> I wonder how stuff like ClamAV do it
[14:49] <andol> genii: Using procmail to filter outgoing mail sounds like something which is possible, but non-trivial.
[14:51] <jrwren> they likely have.
[14:51] <ws2k3__> Hello, i have an question, i have 2 servers doing the same thing have the same stats the server on ubuntu 11.04 has a load of 0,05 and the ubuntu 12.04 has a load of 1.50, is there changed something in the load mesure?
[14:52] <andol> genii: Writing something custom, and use milter to hook it in?
[14:53] <genii> Hm.
[14:55] <andol> For postfix that would be smtpd_milters/non_smtpd_milters
[14:55] <jdo_dk> I have an ubuntu server, where postfix maillog ends into syslog. System is running rsyslog and ubuntu 13.10
[14:56] <genii> andol: Thanks for the tip, looking into it now
[14:57] <andol> jdo_dk: See /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf
[14:58] <jdo_dk> andol: mail.*                          -/var/log/mail.log
[14:59] <slowcon> hey guys, just installed ubuntu server 12.04 and installed desktop. does anyone ever get any kickbacks where ubuntu just throws you back to the login screen. ubuntu software center will close automatically as well after 30s of being opened
[14:59] <jrwren> genii: what specifically would you do on outgoing?
[15:05] <Walex2> slowcon: that looks like some hardware issue causing the X windows to crash and/or applications to crash.
[15:06] <genii> jrwren: Grab the recipient address, then basically: look for keys.domain.tld or keyserver.domain.tld and if found, fetch the recipients public key from there. If not found there, fall back to public keyservers in order of pgp.mit.edu then keyserver1.pgp.com and keyserver2.pgp.com ( with ldapsearch). If a result is found, add it to the local ldap databse under recipients so that it could be looked up locally
[15:06] <Walex2> slowcon: the hardware issues could be as simple as insufficient RAm triggering the OOM killer
[15:06] <Walex2> slowcon: or it could be an issue with the graphics chip driver being buggy.
[15:07] <jrwren> genii: so you want to do this action on every email which traverses your email server?
[15:07] <Walex2> ws2k3__: probably the measure has not changed, but most likely there are subtle differences in the daemons running.
[15:08] <genii> jrwren: At least on first time they are used, yes. And of course not for local-local because these are already in the database
[15:11] <jrwren> genii: i agree with the milter suggestion.
[15:11] <jrwren> genii: sorry for no more help than that
[15:14] <ws2k3__> Walex2 well what i see is that the rest of the value's in top are the same the %us and %sy are Exacly the same
[15:15] <ws2k3__> and it looks like the one server is not more the bizzy then the other the value's is just a bit higher
[15:17]  * genii goes back to investigating
[15:39] <tomixxx3> hi, it seems i cannot use environment-variables like "export OS_USERNAME=blabla" on my ubuntu deployment (12.04.04)
[15:40] <tomixxx3> because whenever i try to execute commands which should use these variables, i get a response indicating that OS_USERNAME for example is missing
[15:40] <pmatulis3> tomixxx3: pastebin all the exact details.  commands and output
[15:42] <tomixxx3> command is "keystone token-get" vs "keystone --os-username=admin --os-password=ADMIN_PASS --os-auth-url=http://controller:35357/v2.0 token-get"
[15:44] <pmatulis3> tomixxx3: that's a big jump from your earlier comment.  simplify things to convince yourself you have the basics working
[15:44] <tomixxx3> pmatulis: content of openrc.sh: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7068279/
[15:44] <pmatulis3> tomixxx3: but it sounds like a openstack/keystone problem and not a ubuntu server problem
[15:45] <tomixxx3> pmatulis3: kk, ty
[15:46] <jrwren> tomixxx3: did you source openrc.sh or are you running it?
[15:46] <tomixxx3> jrwren: yes, i have executed "source openrc.sh"
[15:46] <jrwren> tomixxx3: ok.
[15:51] <jamespage> coreycb, if you fancy something to hack on whilst at your sprint:
[15:51] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/keystone/+bug/1290423
[15:54] <Walex2> ws2k3__: very small differences can give slightly different load averages as they are rounded...
[15:54] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks I'll take a look
[15:55] <coreycb> jamespage, I need someone to review my "fix" for 1288344
[15:55] <jamespage> coreycb, merge proposal?
[15:55] <coreycb> jamespage, yes, , for keystone
[15:56] <jamespage> coreycb, keystone charm - for bug 1288344
[15:56] <jamespage> yes
[15:56] <coreycb> jamespage, that's right
[15:57] <jamespage> coreycb, ok - once you have something up ping me and I'll review
[15:57] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks
[16:01] <coreycb> jamespage, it's up at https://code.launchpad.net/~openstack-charmers/charms/precise/keystone/trunk/+activereviews
[16:02] <jamespage> coreycb, looks ok
[16:02] <jamespage> +1
[16:02] <coreycb> jamespage, ok wasn't sure if that was the right approach. but it's done elsewhere.   thanks.
[16:04] <jamespage> coreycb, ivoks and I redux'ed that charm completely week before last - but that work has not landed yet so your change is appropriate.
[16:05] <jamespage> coreycb, the right way would be to have a post-start section in the upstart config that could tell when keystone was ready
[16:06] <coreycb> jamespage, excellent that's good to know
[16:21] <genii> Hm, looks like it may be possible to do outbound filtering with header_checks
[16:21]  * genii goes back to reading
[16:33] <smoser> jrwren, your cloud-init change is in -proposed now
[16:33] <smoser> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2014-March/021465.html
[16:34] <jrwren> thanks.
[16:34] <jamespage> hallyn, congrats btw
[16:35] <hallyn> thanks :)
[17:38] <rbasak> jamespage: do we need to remove src:samba4 from universe? It hasn't had an upload in Trusty, and src:samba seems to have overtaken it.
[17:38] <jamespage> rbasak, good spot - yes
[17:39] <rbasak> Looks like it has been removed from sid/jessie
[17:39] <rbasak> I'll file a bug.
[17:42]  * rbasak has filed bug 1290448
[17:42] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1290448
[17:42]  * rbasak wonders where the bot went. MIA?
[17:43] <rbasak> soren: do you still run the bot (I think it was you?)
[17:43] <rbasak> Or was that just the new bug filed bot?
[17:43]  * rbasak shrugs
[17:47] <tarvid> Ubuntu 13.04 do-release-upgrade -d
[17:47] <tarvid> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[17:47] <tarvid> No new release found
[17:47] <RoyK> huh?
[17:48] <tarvid> can't do-release-upgrade from 13.04
[17:48] <RoyK> what does /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades have to say about Prompt?
[17:48] <ogra_> most likely bcause you cant go from 13.04 to 14.04 straight ...
[17:49] <tarvid> can't get to 13.10 either
[17:49] <ogra_> and 13.10 (your actual upgrade option) is not a devel release
[17:49] <tarvid> Prompt=normal
[17:50] <tarvid> so how do I so a sim[ple upgrade to 13.10
[17:50] <ogra_> just do-release-upgrade doesnt work ?
[17:50] <ogra_> (no -d or any other option)
[17:50] <tarvid> do-release-upgrade
[17:50] <tarvid> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[17:50] <tarvid> No new release found
[17:51] <RoyK> tarvid: did you check that file?
[17:51] <RoyK> /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[17:51] <RoyK> ah
[17:51] <RoyK> yes
[17:51] <RoyK> sorry
[17:51] <RoyK> wierd
[17:51] <RoyK> tarvid: what does lsb_release -a tell you?
[17:52] <tarvid> root@horace:/etc/apt# lsb_release -a
[17:52] <tarvid> No LSB modules are available.
[17:52] <tarvid> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[17:52] <tarvid> Description:	Ubuntu 13.04
[17:52] <tarvid> Release:	13.04
[17:52] <tarvid> Codename:	raring
[17:54] <ogra_> are you sure your system is up to date with all updates and security updates ?
[17:55] <tarvid> that doesn't work either
[17:55] <ogra_> that doesnt sound like an issue with update-manager then though
[17:56] <RoyK> !pastebin | tarvid
[17:56] <ogra_> you always need to apply all updates first before running do-release-update ...
[17:56] <tarvid> prettry lame for a 3 line post
[17:58] <RoyK> 6
[18:01] <tarvid> my dns server screwed up
[19:44] <howudodat> am having a very unusual problem.  installed ubuntu server, two nics: em1 wired ethernet, default route.  wlan0 wireless.  em1 is responding with its MAC for arp requests for wlan0.  I have no bridge configed, nor proxy arp as far as I can tell.  em1=<IP_ADDRESS>/24 and wlan0=<IP_ADDRESS>/24 pastebin config http://pastebin.com/bEiwGGrE
[20:42] <ball> Does Ubuntu work nicely on a Lenovo ThinkServer RD340?
[20:44] <RoyK> ball: no idea - try
[20:44] <ball> RoyK: I'll have to buy one ;-)
[21:26] <ianward> Does anyone know when us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com stopped going through S3?  I read it started using S3 here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-cloud-announce/2012-June/000026.html but it looks like it no longer uses S3 directly.
[21:27] <sarnold> ianward: recently, a few weeks ago
[21:27] <ianward> sarnold: is there somewhere i can read more about this?
[21:27] <sarnold> ianward: I'm not sure what the root cuase of the errors were, but the s3-based mirrors were unreliable and appeared to randomly deny pacakge downloads.
[21:28] <sarnold> ianward: sorry, no url handy, I read it on irc [tm]  :)
[21:29] <ianward> sarnold: ok, thanks
[21:30] <sarnold> ugh, the irc logs are organized by date and then channel...
[21:32] <sarnold> ianward: sorry, I'm not finding the references again. :( I believe I got the impression that the mirrors would be back "soon".
[21:32] <ianward> sarnold: ok, thanks for checking. good to know
[22:51] <gQuigs> jamespage:  thoughts on the networking blueprint?  or discussion?  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-March/014877.html
[22:51] <gQuigs> it would still need approval
[22:52] <gQuigs> ^open to any track leads, btw


[03:04] <ShawnR> syntax error
[03:04] <ShawnR> CRAP! must fix
[03:04] <ShawnR> hello world
[03:04] <ShawnR> there we go


[16:44] <Teduardo> Hello friends. I am having a heap of trouble getting the 20.04 installer to work like the amazing 19 and earlier installer. Does anyone have any full examples for using autoinstall?
[16:45] <Teduardo> I can't seem to figure out how to tell it to use the entire drive when installing
[16:46] <Teduardo> It seems to just want to create a 20GB LV and use that for no reason
[16:46] <Teduardo> Oh, sorry I mean 4GB
[16:52] <Teduardo> it creates a 445GB VG and a 4GB LV.. why in the world would it do that by default
[17:12] <Teduardo> anyone here?
[17:12] <Teduardo> were you all murdered by curtin?
[18:12] <xnox> Teduardo:  we have not =)
[18:12] <xnox> Teduardo:  did you join discourse discussing autoinstall stuff?
[18:13] <xnox> Teduardo:  https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/please-test-autoinstalls-for-20-04/15250/89 is currently the most active know-how about autoinstall