[06:20] <colonelqubit> One easy way to avoid hammering the release servers is for them to just push it out over bittorrent 30 minutes before any other protocol
[06:20] <anupadhikari_> tsimpson, so there is no fix time, why?
[06:20] <z3r0d3rp> if you are seeding then use utorrent server derp
[06:20] <jalal> plzz helppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
[06:20] <dr_willis> anupadhikari_:  because they don't know.
[06:21] <tsimpson> anupadhikari_: because things happen on the day that can't be predicted, the release team have a general idea, but nothing is in stone
[06:21] <z3r0d3rp> I haven't used utorrent server but that is what it was designed for/to do
[06:21] <dr_willis> jalal:  the title bar showing at all?
[06:21] <jalal> no
[06:21] <z3r0d3rp> likewise the utorrent protocol is faster and more efficient on a network
[06:21] <anupadhikari_> dr_willis, I am seriously, really confused,no joking, what are you saying, they don't know?
[06:21] <jalal> yes title showing
[06:21] <dr_willis> jalal:  compiz crashed sounds like
[06:22] <iceroot_> z3r0d3rp: good info, i will have a look at it later, now i am running rtorrent in screen, it has ncurses, so its ok for my needs
[06:22] <Optichip> !release
[06:22] <jalal> i install ubuntu tweak
[06:22] <jalal> so what is solution for that?
[06:22] <z3r0d3rp> compiz --replace
[06:22] <jalal> my cursor coming in x symbol
[06:22] <dr_willis> anupadhikari_:  they  dont know when it will get updated to all the servers.. so they dont know an exact time when they will all be ready to 'go'
[06:22] <z3r0d3rp> bad drivers could be
[06:23] <anupadhikari_> dr_willis, oh, thanks for the insight
[06:23] <jalal> any solution?
[06:23] <z3r0d3rp> nvidia card?
[06:23] <dr_willis> anupadhikari_:  if its that critical for you.. install the dailyy build then update/upgrade...
[06:23] <jalal> yes
[06:23] <GhostWolf> ubuntu tweak 0.7.0 released
[06:23] <z3r0d3rp> if so manually install proprietary drivers
[06:23] <jalal> i have nvdia
[06:23] <z3r0d3rp> do lspci -vv and find out what your card is
[06:24] <z3r0d3rp> download the driver
[06:24] <z3r0d3rp> drop to command line
[06:24] <jalal> ok wait
[06:24] <dr_willis> jalal:  you could try making a new user and seeing if the issue exists for them also
[06:24] <z3r0d3rp> stop gdm/lightdm
[06:24] <z3r0d3rp> then run the script
[06:24] <fuzik> Hello People !
[06:24] <Hoyt> hi , does daily-build has mirrors other than http://cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[06:24] <jalal> i open my broswer now i cant go back or open terminal
[06:25] <jalal> now i neeed too restart
[06:25] <z3r0d3rp> try ctrl f1  then type compiz --replace then ctrl f7
[06:25] <jalal> once i open any application i cant close it
[06:25] <Hoyt> because you don't have a WM
[06:25] <dr_willis> jalal:  alt-ctrl-f1 login , use sudo service lightdm restart
[06:25] <fuzik> Read FAQ, read installation FAQ, but not find that i need. I want install ubuntu-server-i386.iso from USB flash can you help me to find documentation how to do it ?
[06:25] <jalal> shortcut no working
[06:25] <fuzik> my currect system Debian 5.0
[06:25] <z3r0d3rp> jalal,  try alt f2 then type compiz --replace
[06:26] <z3r0d3rp> either way you should run guake so that you always have a terminal one keystroke away
[06:27] <supreeth> Hello!
[06:27] <supreeth> Any Linux gurus out here?
[06:27] <yuri__> Does anyone have a suggested partitioning scheme for a 40gb hard drive? Everytime I go to install ubuntu it gives me / and a swap partition.
[06:28] <Optichip> yuri__: what more do you need?
[06:28] <supreeth> Can anyone give me/tell me where to find these values for Ubuntu 10.04 kernel 2.6.32-33-generic?
[06:28] <z3r0d3rp> yuri you might consider making a data partition
[06:28] <Hoyt> supreeth: uname -r ?
[06:28] <yuri__> Well, I know what the convenience partitions are, by name, but not by size.
[06:28] <pengw> 512 mb for swap 10 gb for / 10 for /home 20gb for /windows
[06:28] <supreeth> comm field, which contains the name of the process
[06:28] <z3r0d3rp> 20 gigs is not enough for windows
[06:29] <z3r0d3rp> not even close
[06:29] <supreeth> I'm on a different system now. Ubuntu 11.04
[06:29] <Hoyt> supreeth: what you looking for ?
[06:29] <DarwinSurvivor> pengw: i'd go with more than 1/2GB of swap
[06:29] <z3r0d3rp> depeds on ram
[06:29] <Hoyt> I don't even use a swap , I have 4g memory
[06:29] <supreeth> I'm interested in the 'comm field, which contains the name of the process' for Ubuntu 10.04 kernel 2.6.32-33-generic
[06:29] <holmescn> Nick to be here. I have a removable harddisk. All partations are NTFS. My problem is one of the partitions won't automount. I have googled, but have no idea.
[06:29] <z3r0d3rp> if you have 2.5 gigs and up you don't need a swap part except for laptop hibernation / video editing
[06:29] <yuri__> Argh. I think it's time for me to format my old windows hard drive. 40gb just isn't enough. I'm at 20gb for my home directory already.
[06:29] <Optichip> yuri__: with a 40g drive I'm guessing SSD /swap / should be all you need, hopefully you have a second drive that you can use for your /home partition after install.
[06:30] <dr_willis> holmescn: mount by hand. see if any errors show up
[06:30] <Raydiation> i was wondering if there are any debs for intellij idea
[06:30] <supreeth> Hoyt: I'm interested in the 'comm field, which contains the name of the process' for Ubuntu 10.04 kernel 2.6.32-33-generic
[06:30] <yuri__> *sigh* What would be the recommendations for a 500gb hard drive? I wasn't ready to drop windows when I first installed linux.
[06:30] <holmescn> dr_willis: yes, it works, but not convinient.
[06:30] <fuzik> My question can be forgeted .. thanks.
[06:30] <Hoyt> supreeth: I don't get it , what's the *'comm* field ?
[06:30] <DarwinSurvivor> pengw: because with over 4GB of ram, the only real use for swap is hibernation, in which case you need at least as much swap as ram
[06:30] <Raydiation> the community edition (open source, apl) is not in the official repos
[06:31] <z3r0d3rp> yuri__, I have my kde system on my old box on a 20 gig drive but use part of my 80 gig Windows drive to store movies and stuff
[06:31] <z3r0d3rp> to share between OS's
[06:31] <supreeth> It's basically for a process tracker on the Simics simulator.
[06:31] <Hoyt> supreeth: top ?
[06:31] <supreeth> Hoyt: It's basically for a process tracker on the Simics simulator.
[06:31] <yuri__> And for those who are confused by myhatred of Windows at the moment, long story short: MS gave me a bunk keycode and it gave me 30 days to buy a new one, no money and MS won't replace the keycode.
[06:31] <z3r0d3rp> same with my laptop... I have my torrent client configed to write to my windows part
[06:31] <dr_willis> holmescn:  i just make fstab entries for mine
[06:31] <Optichip> yuri__: you could use the 500g as what it is now, without formatting, you could put your /home partition onto it fstab just needs to know where to mount and what type of filesystem.
[06:32] <yuri__> NTFS.
[06:32] <yuri__> Win7.
[06:32] <z3r0d3rp> keep it
[06:32] <z3r0d3rp> just mount the drive in fstab
[06:32] <z3r0d3rp> and use it for storage
[06:32] <z3r0d3rp> keep windows on it
[06:32] <esak> why ubuntu 12.04 is not ready for download ?
[06:32] <Hoyt> just try the daily build , it's almost the same
[06:33] <yuri__> Win7 no more work. Don't need Windows for nothing now.
[06:33] <DarwinSurvivor> !outyet esak
[06:33] <DarwinSurvivor> !outyet | esak
[06:33] <Optichip> yuri__: then use it as your /home
[06:33] <z3r0d3rp> then just reinstall and use the big drive
[06:33] <Optichip> yuri__: format it ext4 and add it to your fstab
[06:33] <z3r0d3rp> or use parted and copy the partition
[06:34] <supreeth> Hoyt: I'm basically tring to fill the fields from: http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~fedorova/Tech/simics-guides-3.0.26/simics-reference-manual-public-all/topic148.html                        for 2.6.32-33-generic
[06:34] <yuri__> Yeah. I got wine for the /FEW/ win programs I'm still using. I'll just copy my users directory to another partition and then format win.
[06:34] <z3r0d3rp> you can use gparted to copy your system to the larger drive
[06:34] <jalal> i am back,system need to restart
[06:34] <z3r0d3rp> then there is one command to make your system see all the new space
[06:34] <jalal> ok i issue command compiz--replace
[06:34] <z3r0d3rp> I can't remember what it is off the top of my head
[06:35] <jalal> my all system come back to normal
[06:35] <jalal> now what i do so i future it will not be like that?
[06:35] <z3r0d3rp> jalal install compiz fusion icon
[06:35] <jalal> command?
[06:35] <Optichip> setkeh!
[06:35] <z3r0d3rp> that way you can use it to reset compiz from the gui
[06:35] <yuri__> Woops. I guess I'll have to copy just my documents from win. ;) full users folder for me was over 100 GB. Yikes. Stupid Windows.
[06:35] <setkeh> Optichip: *******
[06:35] <z3r0d3rp> sudo apt-get install fusion-icon
[06:35] <jalal> my system is back now
[06:35] <pozzz> bluefish editor: When I reopen bluefish can I have the tabs I was working on last time open automatically? (Quanta plus has it)
[06:35] <Optichip> setkeh when's ubuntu release?!?
[06:35] <yuri__> *runs and hides* 328.1 GB for my old win docs. ;)
[06:35] <setkeh> When will Ubunut be ready for DL
[06:36] <dr_willis> yuri__: a lot of that may be temp files
[06:36] <setkeh> Optichip: When it Ready :}
[06:36] <jalal> installing icons brother
[06:36] <Optichip> Is Arch better then Ubuntu?
[06:36] <pozzz> bluefish: Save all button on toolbar. Possible?
[06:36] <jalal> please give me perfect solution
[06:36] <dr_willis> Optichip:  you decide that for yourself
[06:36] <Hoyt> Optichip: arch has poor scripts than gentoo , that's all I know
[06:36] <tsimpson> Optichip: asking a question like that in #ubuntu isn't really a good idea
[06:36] <setkeh> Optichip: hahahaha
[06:36] <z3r0d3rp> lol yuri... even after removing any movies and media... my windows 7 system with applications and games is 200 gigs
[06:36] <jalal> because i cannot format my pc
[06:36] <yuri__> Just double-checked. No temp files. No windows junk. It's all me. What did I download in those 30 days? :(
[06:37] <pengw> eclipse or codeblock geany for C programming which one is you choice ?
[06:37] <setkeh> tsimpson: why no you butt hurt :P
[06:37] <z3r0d3rp> jalal you have something that is crashing compiz
[06:37] <Hoyt> I always go for VIM
[06:37] <z3r0d3rp> you can restart it via alt f2 and compiz --replace
[06:37] <jalal> yah i gave compiz --replace then evrything back to normal
[06:37] <z3r0d3rp> you should install guake anyway
[06:38] <tsimpson> setkeh: excuse me?
[06:38] <z3r0d3rp> so that you can just hit f12 for a terminal
[06:38] <jalal> command?sorry i am new to linux
[06:38] <setkeh> tsimpson: you excused what you do fart or somthing
[06:38] <z3r0d3rp> sudo apt-get install guke
[06:38] <z3r0d3rp> guake*
[06:38] <Raydiation> pengw: kdevelop
[06:39] <jalal> i still need to install compiz icons?
[06:39] <tsimpson> setkeh: if you want to start making sense now, that would be great
[06:39] <z3r0d3rp> the compiz icon sits in your panel and lets you restart it if it messes up
[06:39] <stripe> how do I run ubuntu as root?
[06:39] <z3r0d3rp> sudo su
[06:39] <GhostWolf> sudo
[06:39] <jalal> apt-get install guake E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:39] <pengw> i am in Gnome KDE is little bit slower
[06:39] <setkeh> tsimpson: you asked me to excuse you i excused you then asked if it was because you farted is all :D
[06:39] <Lint> stripe, set a password for root
[06:40] <stripe> thanks
[06:40] <z3r0d3rp> jalal you have to close synaptic
[06:40] <z3r0d3rp> or just download it from synaptic
[06:40] <jalal> synaptic is closed brother
[06:40] <tsimpson> setkeh: no, I was referring to your message "<setkeh> tsimpson: why no you butt hurt :P"
[06:40] <jalal> it coz dpkg locked
[06:40] <dr_willis> stripe:  what are you trying to acomplish exactly
[06:40] <z3r0d3rp> you have either updates, software center or another terminal using it
[06:41] <stefan_> than the automatic script to update your repos is running
[06:41] <stefan_> just wait a minute
[06:41] <jalal> how to unlock var/dpkg?
[06:41] <esak> what is it ubuntu alternate ?
[06:41] <dr_willis> !fixapt
[06:41] <z3r0d3rp> sudo reboot
[06:41] <hid3> Is it out?!
[06:41] <ActionParsnip> !aptfix
[06:41] <dr_willis> hid3:  no
[06:41] <setkeh> tsimpson: why would the question "Is arch better than ubuntu" a bad idea are you but hurt thgat arch is better than ubuntu ??
[06:42] <stripe> just for running occasional backup tasks, so I will have authority to write to another hard drive in my machine
[06:42] <z3r0d3rp> arch = most overrated distro
[06:42] <ActionParsnip> Hid3: when you see the motd change, its out
[06:42] <setkeh> z3r0d3rp: another one who is butthurt :P
[06:42] <dr_willis> stripe:  use sudo as needed for root level tasks
[06:42] <tsimpson> setkeh: because this is a technical support channel for Ubuntu, obviously, and I'd ask you to try and stay on that topic from now on
[06:42] <z3r0d3rp> real men run gentoo
[06:42] <jalal> ubuntu is best
[06:42] <z3r0d3rp> you can keep your butthurt
[06:43] <Optichip> Oh I thought I was in the overrated distro channel.
[06:43] <jalal> for ubuntoo root
[06:43] <LeV91> Slackware pwns
[06:43] <jalal> change your pass then swicth too other account
[06:43] <jalal> there login as root
[06:43] <ActionParsnip> z3r0d3rp: from stage 1 of course ;-)
[06:43] <z3r0d3rp> arch is so that n00bs can spend 3 hours installing a system and think they are Stallman
[06:44] <setkeh> tsimpson: what topic /topic "When will ubuntu 12.04 be available for download" some major topic we got goin on here
[06:44] <jonathan1104> LFS ftw
[06:44] <jalal> hahhaha nice said z3r0d
[06:44] <stripe> dr willis thanks but it is aukwaqrd copying files from the terminal, I was thinking if I did it graphicaly it would be more time effective
[06:44] <ActionParsnip> jalal: or run:   sudo -i    no need for messing around
[06:44] <jalal> ok boss
[06:44] <dr_willis> stripe:  you can run gui file managers as root...  or set up cron jobs.. it depends on the details of whatgg you are doing
[06:45] <jalal> i am istall compiz icon
[06:45] <ServerCrash> hi how can i remove delete rights from user (globally), he should not be able to delete any file, even files created by himself
[06:45] <jalal> i instll ubuntu tweak last night so i guess because of that ..problem arrieved
[06:45] <dr_willis> ServerCrash:  what sort of work is  the user supposed to be able to do  then?
[06:46] <ActionParsnip> jalal: what proble
[06:46] <dr_willis> jalal:  most likely some tweak you did.. not the tool itself..
[06:46] <esak> jalal what is ubuntu alternate ?
[06:46] <ServerCrash> dr_willis, just create files, copy files, move files
[06:46] <stripe> dr willis never thought of that, running the file manager from the terminal , will try it. thanks
[06:46] <jalal> problem not people brother
[06:46] <z3r0d3rp> jalal, 10.04?
[06:46] <z3r0d3rp> if so then disable third party repos
[06:46] <dr_willis> ServerCrash:  if he cant delete.. he cant move...
[06:46] <jalal> yes
[06:46] <z3r0d3rp> then update
[06:46] <jalal> 10.04
[06:47] <ServerCrash> dr_willis, fine no problem he can alteast copy  :)
[06:47] <z3r0d3rp> 10.04 can crash compiz for any number of reasons
[06:47] <dr_willis> ServerCrash:  time to check out the permissions features and perhaps use acl's
[06:47] <dr_willis> !acl
[06:47] <jalal> my system icon back now i want perfect solutions
[06:47] <jalal> so in future it will not be again
[06:47] <P-CHAN> I want create a distro like Apodio with remaster
[06:48] <ActionParsnip> esak: installs a desktop OS in text mode
[06:48] <ActionParsnip> jalal: what issue did ubuntu tweak generate?
[06:48] <P-CHAN> what is the better remastersys? UCK?
[06:48] <z3r0d3rp> in Linux there is no such thing as a perfect solution
[06:48] <dr_willis> jalal:  compiz can crash....   thats just a fact of life., the fusion-icon tool or other tools can auto-restart it if it crashes
[06:48] <jalal> it did nothing ..but i guess so problem came form that
[06:48] <jalal> before that syste working fine
[06:49] <z3r0d3rp> in modern systems there are no perfect solutions*
[06:49] <dr_willis> jalal:  thats not exactly proof its to blame.
[06:49] <sacarlson> I can't seem to find a working link for this https://svn.torproject.org/svn/torbrowser/trunk/build-scripts/config/polipo.conf  is there anther working link with the tor config file for polipo?
[06:49] <jalal> yes i am installing compiz --icons
[06:49] <ActionParsnip> P-CHAN: both are fine, there is no best or the other would die out as nobody would use it
[06:49] <dr_willis> !info fusion-icon
[06:49] <esak> actionparsnip alternate=install desktop ubuntu in text mode ?
[06:49] <z3r0d3rp> sacarlson, if you install polipo from the repos it should work
[06:50] <sacarlson> z3r0d3rp: so it's default to be configured for tor?
[06:50] <z3r0d3rp> I think so
[06:50] <z3r0d3rp> I can copypasta mine for you
[06:50] <P-CHAN> ActionParsnip: no. For example.... Unetbootin is better than USB Creator
[06:50] <z3r0d3rp> mine works fine
[06:50] <jalal> who want to configure tor?
[06:50] <jalal> i can give help
[06:50] <ActionParsnip> P-CHAN: its as intelligent as asking which is better, blue or red. Neither is better. All you will get is opinion
[06:50] <jalal> i am using TOR WITH PROXYCHAINS
[06:51] <sacarlson> jalal:  yes I want tor  z3rod3rp ok pastebin your config so I can compare
[06:51] <z3r0d3rp> *PEDOCHAINS
[06:51] <P-CHAN> ActionParsnip:  Blue
[06:51] <dr_willis> no wait green....  aaaaghhhh!  ;monty python:
[06:52] <ActionParsnip> P-CHAN: unetbootin isn't better, neither is better. That's just your opinion and nothing more
[06:52] <jalal> you go to tor website and add key for that
[06:52] <z3r0d3rp> no ActionParsnip, these are not objective
[06:52] <jalal> but first add you distro repos link in repositry
[06:52] <z3r0d3rp> some are in fact better than others
[06:52] <P-CHAN> ActionParsnip: what do you do doing for live?
[06:52] <jalal> you dont need to use polipo
[06:52] <jalal> just use vidalia
[06:52] <ActionParsnip> Esak: it installs the same ubuntu desktop, just in text mode
[06:53] <alphanum> hello
[06:53] <alphanum> how active is this channel usually?
[06:53] <dr_willis> alphanum:  normally very active
[06:53] <DarwinSurvivor> alphanum: wait 5 minutes and you'll have to scroll up 3 pages :P
[06:53] <dr_willis> today - hyperactiv
[06:53] <ActionParsnip> P-CHAN: NOC engineer, how is that relevant to support?
[06:53] <P-CHAN> ActionParsnip:  yes... why?
[06:53] <LeV91> 12.04 isn't really releasing today.. It's a trick!
[06:54] <alphanum> ooh
[06:54] <sacarlson> z3r0d3rp: in chromium with switchy I point my proxy at polipo and also tried the vidalia proxy address both return error in switch diagnostic plugin not working properly
[06:54] <dr_willis> LeV91:  and the cake is a lie.
[06:54] <alphanum> Dr4g, thx
[06:54] <alphanum> DarwinSurvivor, thx
[06:54] <ActionParsnip> alphanum: check in a few hours. This place going to get crazy
[06:54] <LeV91> The cake has always been a lie
[06:54] <z3r0d3rp> ActionParsnip, u been sniffin mah packets bro?
[06:54] <dr_willis> i recall seeing  3000+ people in here on release day
[06:55] <ActionParsnip> z3r0d3rp: who me....? Seriously though, no
[06:55] <z3r0d3rp> lol I work in netsec
[06:55] <cdm10> dr_willis: Speaking of the cake being a lie -- Valve is apparently talking about Steam / Source on Linux. This is a Good Thing. Shutting up about OT now.
[06:55] <z3r0d3rp> all I've heard about for the last month is CISPA
[06:56] <LeV91> Steam is and always has been horrible, both in concept and execution.
[06:56] <MannerMan> 12.04 soon :D
[06:56] <dr_willis> cdm10:  i will belive it when i see it.  same for the cake.
[06:56] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: wanna join me in the Winchester til this all blows over?
[06:56] <sacarlson> I can access the polipo proxy direct from my chromium to bring up manuals and stuf if I plug <IP_ADDRESS>:8123 into the address box of chromium so the polipo proxy is running
[06:56] <dr_willis> ActionParsnip:  im at work.. and my battery is at 30% so i will be gone soon anyway ;)
[06:57] <z3r0d3rp> sacarlson, tor runs on 9050
[06:57] <P-CHAN> ActionParsnip: You talk as if there were no better or worse.
[06:57] <sacarlson> so maybe my problem is in chromium switchy extention app?
[06:57] <Ben64> dr_willis: there are images of l4d2 running in linux, so you can see it
[06:57] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip in the what?
[06:57] <cdm10> So, while I'm here to procrastinate and to see if release-craziness has happened yet -- does anybody have trouble using Ubuntu with big many-AP networks, such as might be found at a university or workplace?
[06:57] <LeV91> Hey guyz, is Quantal Quetzal out yet? :P
[06:57] <XDESIGN> when officially released ubuntu 12.04 ?
[06:57] <XDESIGN> ?
[06:58] <Ben64> XDESIGN: within 24 hours
[06:58] <newUser> Hi fellows
[06:58] <XReaper> NEVAR
[06:58] <XDESIGN> ok
[06:58] <twelveofour> All colleges may switch over tonight?
[06:58] <DarwinSurvivor> LeV91: I couldn't care less about steam, I just want the games to end up in the repo :P
[06:58] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: ha I'm off to bed soon ready for my next nightshift. Hopefully it'll be okay in 10 hours
[06:58] <cdm10> Don't we usually have an "It's released whenever it's released" message in the topic?
[06:58] <newUser> I am new to Ubuntu 11.10. I would like to find the www-folder but cant find it. Any help please?
[06:58] <iceroot_> newUser: /var/www/
[06:59] <munim> does anyone know what time will 12.04 come out? I have to get it installed today
[06:59] <ActionParsnip> sebsebseb: not seen Shaun of the Dead?
[06:59] <DarwinSurvivor> cdm10: depends on the network. The eduroam network at BCIT can be a pain to connect to, but once connected it works beautifully
[06:59] <supreeth> I'm simulating a system that runs Ub 10.04 on Simics and their process tracker will allow me to debug each simulated process individually. For the process-tracker to get a lock on however they need me to find the comm, pid offset, state offset etc..    http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~fedorova/Tech/simics-guides-3.0.26/simics-reference-manual-public-all/topic148.html
[06:59] <smw> munim, not even the people releasing it know.
[06:59] <cdm10> munim: It comes out whenever it comes out, they never release at a particular time.
[06:59] <Ben64> munim: you can already install it, and then just update it later to the actual release version
[06:59] <twelveofour> wakeup and its not updated won't be as fun- will just have to work without checking install status
[06:59] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip I have, but quite a long time ago.
[06:59] <cdm10> munim: But they should be pushing it to mirror sites now. Maybe.
[06:59] <supreeth> Anyone know where to find these values?
[06:59] <munim> cdm10, oh thats awesome. probably a few hours then
[07:00] <cdm10> munim: I wouldn't hold your breath.
[07:00] <ActionParsnip> sebsebseb: it's the name of the pub
[07:00] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip oh
[07:00] <twelveofour> sometimes they notice a pixel off by one (on the comand line) and keep recompiling each time.
[07:00] <ActionParsnip> Perfick
[07:00] <z3r0d3rp> supreeth, that sounds like a question for r/Linux
[07:01] <sacarlson> z3r0d3rp: I don't see anything listening on port 9050 but I tried it any way in switch with no change in failure
[07:01] <cdm10> DarwinSurvivor: For me, it seems to have to do with the phase of the moon -- I'll try booting Ubuntu on a whim and it'll connect, but won't ever again. And if I want to use the WPA2-Enterprise network, which is necessary for most non-vanilla network services, well... I'm pretty much out of luck. If it connects at all, it drops within a few minutes.
[07:01] <munim> Ben64, if its just today, i might as well wait
[07:01] <cdm10> DarwinSurvivor: This has happened with both Broadcom and Intel NICs. Just lovely. It's all but forced me to use Windows as my main OS.
[07:01] <supreeth> z3r0d3rp: Um, what's that?
[07:01] <z3r0d3rp> sacarlson, you should just install tor from the repos
[07:01] <Ben64> munim: or avoid all the trouble connecting to the servers at release time :)
[07:02] <z3r0d3rp> it should come config'd
[07:02] <ActionParsnip> cdm10: try disabling n speed with modprobe options
[07:02] <DarwinSurvivor> cdm10: what type of network is it?
[07:02] <z3r0d3rp> supreeth, that is a forum on Reddit
[07:02] <munim> Ben64, the Indian mirrors don't get that crowded really
[07:02] <z3r0d3rp> lots of Linux gurus there
[07:02] <ActionParsnip> cdm10: is it a centrino wifi chi
[07:02] <ActionParsnip> Chip
[07:02] <sacarlson> z3r0d3rp: tor for one this isn't in the repo's of Lubuntu but I assume I installed it correctly from the deb files I got
[07:02] <P-CHAN> Lets sing the Free Software song!
[07:03] <cdm10> DarwinSurvivor: 802.11n, WPA2-Enterprise, about 5 zillion APs (Seriously, according to the Intel tool, my computer sees 30+ right now.)
[07:03] <cdm10> ActionParsnip: It's a 4965AGN
[07:03] <z3r0d3rp> sacarlson, hmm I thought tor was in the repos
[07:03] <z3r0d3rp> did you look for "vidalia"
[07:03] <dr_willis> !info tor
[07:03] <cdm10> ActionParsnip: It's probably best I don't try to troubleshoot this now, given that I'm not actually on Ubuntu... if I were, I wouldn't be able to get to this chatroom :)
[07:03] <ActionParsnip> cdm10: try disabling n speed, may give a stable connection
[07:04] <DarwinSurvivor> cdm10: you can always try wicd, i've had luck with that in the past for "non-standard" networks
[07:04] <DarwinSurvivor> cdm10: just make sure you have a wired connection first, installing wicd on ubuntu removes network-manager :(
[07:04] <cdm10> ActionParsnip: I'll try that, though I sure as heck won't be happy about connecting to my university's obscenely fast network with slow wireless :-/
[07:04] <ActionParsnip> cdm10: at 54mbps you'll be fine
[07:04] <cdm10> DarwinSurvivor: As a result of Research, my school has found out that something like 3% of students actually used the wired. They disconnected all our ports.
[07:04] <supreeth> z3r0d3rp: I see that Reddit is some form of link ranking (from Wiki). I wasn't just posting a link; in case you missed my second line, I'm looking for those offset values for the Ubuntu 10.04 with kernel 2.6.32-33-generic.
[07:05] <DarwinSurvivor> cdm10: OUCH. if they have a physical IT help center, they might have a wired connection there
[07:05] <cdm10> ActionParsnip: But how will I download the latest Ubuntu image in approximately a minute??! It will be a sad, sad existence.
[07:05] <DarwinSurvivor> cdm10: or you could get someone with a laptop to make a bridge for you
[07:05] <stripe> would I be able to get write privalages on a seperate hard drive by edeiting the fstab file
[07:06] <cdm10> DarwinSurvivor: As it happens, one of my friends had to do that in order to use Lion Internet Recovery on his Mac, and they were helpful (He basically said techie stuff and convinced them he was techie-qualified.) I'm even better off, I work for a division of our IT, just not the part concerned with the network.
[07:07] <ActionParsnip> cdm10: just grab the daily now, then upgrade into the stable.
[07:07] <z3r0d3rp> supreeth, if you don't know what reddit is... I highly doubt you will find the information you are looking for
[07:07] <cdm10> ActionParsnip: I was mostly joking :)
[07:07] <z3r0d3rp> srsly that's just ridiculous
[07:08] <sacarlson> z3r0d3rp: nope I see no tor package in synaptic in ubuntu  10.04 or Lubuntu 10.04
[07:08] <supreeth> z3r0d3rp: Ha, well I'll have to take my chances then!
[07:08] <P-CHAN> ActionParsnip: go se
[07:08] <z3r0d3rp> that's your problem right there
[07:08] <cdm10> DarwinSurvivor: The fun bit is that no ethernet means no wired phone lines (We've gone VoIP), and my dorm in the basement doesn't get much cell service. I would have actually wanted a landline...
[07:09] <ActionParsnip> cdm10: if you run: sudo lshw -C network    you will see the driver module driving the device and you can then see how to disable n speed using websearches
[07:09] <DarwinSurvivor> cdm10: ouch, voip over wifi?
[07:09] <sacarlson> z3r0d3rp: In Lubuntu I installed the tor package deb direct for the tor group
[07:09] <ActionParsnip> P-CHAN: you lost me
[07:09] <alphanum> hi guys
[07:09] <alphanum> I'm looking into ec2 using ubuntu
[07:10] <P-CHAN> ActionParsnip: :(
[07:10] <cdm10> DarwinSurvivor: No, voip over wired, though presumably there are some wireless voip phones somewhere because there's a voice network. From what I've heard from my boss, replacing the analog PBX with IP-PBX went from a room of switching equipment to like 3 racks for the whole campus.
[07:10] <P-CHAN> >=D
[07:10] <ActionParsnip> P-CHAN: 'go se' isn't a sentence
[07:11] <z3r0d3rp> sacarlson, try running vidalia
[07:11] <z3r0d3rp> that should start your relay
[07:11] <sacarlson> z3r0d3rp: yes it comes up fine in vidalia
[07:11] <z3r0d3rp> then you want to use either torbutton in firefox
[07:11] <cdm10> ActionParsnip: I'll try disabling N, sounds like a reasonable if regrettable workaround. But, curious, why do you think that might work?
[07:11] <Bagels> Hi, is there an app that would let me zoom in on my screen?  I used to have one called Zoom in/out but I can't find a package anymore.  It simply changed the resolution to something lower, so that my fat fingers could use the touchscreen
[07:11] <z3r0d3rp> or socks 5 on 9050 or 9051 in foxy proxy/manual
[07:12] <z3r0d3rp> open vidalia and click on the advanced tab
[07:12] <z3r0d3rp> this should show you where you are listening
[07:12] <ActionParsnip> cdm10: it's worked in the past. Some chips have issues with it.
[07:12] <z3r0d3rp> mine happens to be on 9051
[07:12] <z3r0d3rp> usually it is 9050
[07:13] <vexaxv> isnt ubuntu 12.04 or 10 whatever supposed to be out right now?
[07:13] <vexaxv> or is the beta still on?
[07:13] <DarwinSurvivor> !outyet | vexaxv
[07:14] <ActionParsnip> cdm10: or use the lshw output to find guides which may allow you to keep n with other options
[07:14] <supreeth> quit
[07:14] <xukun> I'm thinking of buying a new workstation for mainly using with ubuntu. Can anybody advice me a motherboard and cpu?
[07:14] <vexaxv> join #ubuntu-release-party
[07:14] <vexaxv> right?
[07:14] <yuri__> Question: Does 32-bit/64-bit really matter? I have 2 gigs of RAM and the 4 gig limit seems to be the only reason to go 64-bit so far.
[07:14] <MechanisM> when ubuntu going to be released?(I know today, I mean time)
[07:14] <yuri__> Or is it just a personal preference for the most part?
[07:14] <ActionParsnip> vexaxv: read the motd. Massive clue there, clear as day
[07:15] <yuri__> !motd
[07:15] <z3r0d3rp> supreeth, I told you where to find your answers
[07:15] <yuri__> Woops. How do I get the motd on here?
[07:15] <cdm10> yuri__: With 12.04, coming out today, 64-bit should have far fewer issues running older 32-bit software. As far as I'm aware, there's no reason to use 32-bit any more.
[07:15] <z3r0d3rp> but since your web research skills are border line retarded
[07:15] <z3r0d3rp> I have no faith that you will find them
[07:15] <ActionParsnip> yuri__: do you intend to do audio and video encoding?
[07:16] <yuri__> No encoding. Just programming. Once I remember how. ;) Almost 16 years away from C++ might take me a week or two to remember it all. ;)
[07:16] <vexaxv> whats the join command i forgot
[07:16] <cdm10> vexaxv: then how'd you get here? :P /join
[07:17] <cdm10> vexaxv: or /j for short
[07:17] <ActionParsnip> yuri__: i'd go 32bit unless 64bit benefits compilation
[07:17] <yuri__> That's my thing. I can't see a reason for 64bit. Yeah, my CPU is 64bit, but I have had more troubles with it even in Win7 64 than I don't know what. :)
[07:18] <cdm10> yuri__: I'm just curious, what issues have you had with 64bit stuff?
[07:18] <z3r0d3rp> people who use 32 bit systems on 64 bit processors should be kicked in the balls
[07:18] <ActionParsnip> yuri__: id go 32bit if it were me
[07:18] <xranby_ac100> z3r0d3rp: ouch.. well i do that to test ia32 bit compatiblity
[07:18] <yuri__> And in regards to programming, most of my code is 32-bit. As for issues, well, everything from general instabilities in windows to memory leaks in ubuntu. I compile the kernel and my system slows to a screeching halt for ever. I have to reboot to get it back into shape.
[07:19] <yuri__> If my code isn't 32-bit, it's 16-bit. I have a friend who still runs a 486 with win 95. ;)
[07:19] <ukbeast> is today the 12.04 final release?
[07:19] <sacarlson> I think I just found out that the proxy switchy doesn't work in the Lubuntu version of chromium.  but there must be a method?
[07:19] <iceroot_> ukbeast: yes
[07:19] <z3r0d3rp> protip: 32 bit architecture is obsolete
[07:20] <ActionParsnip> yuri__: i hope its a DX ;-)
[07:20] <P-CHAN> z3r0d3rp: but there is few programs running in 64 bits
[07:20] <yuri__> Yeah. 486/100DX.
[07:20]  * ukbeast waits excitedly for iso
[07:20] <ActionParsnip> Nice
[07:20] <P-CHAN> ukbeast: Me too because I am on 10.04
[07:20] <z3r0d3rp> in 5 years 32 bit everything will be gone
[07:21] <ActionParsnip> z3r0d3rp: 5 years != obsolete
[07:21] <yuri__> It's funny. I was playing with my thumb drive and assembler the other day and even after 16 years away from coding, I can still remember how to make a bootsector and rudimentary kernel from scratch. ;)
[07:21] <P-CHAN> stop ethical discussion
[07:22] <P-CHAN> stio the ethics or hipocrisie
[07:22] <ukbeast> P-CHAN: I'm using 12.04 Beta 2 and it runs great and it only had 2 program crashes which now are gone
[07:22] <cdm10> z3r0d3rp: Intel was making 386's until '07
[07:22] <P-CHAN> ukbeast:  good
[07:22] <z3r0d3rp> apparently some people still use them
[07:22] <z3r0d3rp> lol
[07:22] <ukbeast> Intel 945 is OLD :'(
[07:23] <P-CHAN> ukbeast:  I am downloading Apodio linux but
[07:23] <yuri__> I ran on an old 386 until '96. Then I got a 486 and a Pii Pro dual processor back in 98. Then a P4 in 2000 and last year a AMD Phenom II triple core. ;)
[07:23] <P-CHAN> this is outdated to run in my usb stick
[07:23] <z3r0d3rp> there is no real reason to install a 32 bit system on a 64 bit machine unless you absolutely cannot find hardware drivers
[07:23] <z3r0d3rp> it's a detriment to progress
[07:24] <P-CHAN> z3r0d3rp: I linux word 64 bit in very unstable
[07:24] <yuri__> All my hardware, 'cept for the mobo and cpu, are 32-bit software still.
[07:24] <ukbeast> 1st time unity came around was the ubuntu netbook remix
[07:24] <P-CHAN> Canonical recommends 32 bits
[07:24] <z3r0d3rp> I have run 64 bit Linux systems for 4 years and no issues
[07:24] <z3r0d3rp> not one
[07:24] <Bennlucky7> <--64bits
[07:24] <P-CHAN> z3r0d3rp: you are lying
[07:24] <z3r0d3rp> no I am not
[07:24] <ActionParsnip> z3r0d3rp: or you want zsnes packaged and have limited space and are not confident with compilation
[07:25] <P-CHAN> JAVA 64 Bits crashes every time
[07:25] <yuri__> Compiling other people's stuff is easier than writing my own.
[07:25] <Dazed_75> ditto, 64 bit ubuntu on 3 machines for years now
[07:25] <z3r0d3rp> P-CHAN, sounds like you have bad hardware
[07:25] <z3r0d3rp> or fail at Linux
[07:25] <z3r0d3rp> I've never had an issue
[07:25] <ukbeast> How dare adobe remove hardware acceleration from flash 11, I still use 10,2
[07:25] <Bennlucky7> lol..my sun java is fine
[07:25] <MechanisM> P-CHAN I have 64 and not crashes for java
[07:25] <P-CHAN> z3r0d3rp: why WINDOWS works fine in all machines?
[07:26] <z3r0d3rp> ukbeast, they removed it?
[07:26] <P-CHAN> and linux not?
[07:26] <cdm10> P-CHAN: I certainly don't agree with z3r0d3rp and his bad manners, but I also want to mention that I haven't had any issues with 64-bit since I got a 64-bit machine.
[07:26] <z3r0d3rp> because you are installing the wrong distros
[07:26] <ActionParsnip> z3r0d3rp: my lappy is a dual core 32bit, runs fine.  Want a heck of an LOL?! Win7 will install on a 486/100DX, takes a day thought just to install and like half-an-hour to boot. ;)
[07:26] <P-CHAN> z3r0d3rp: Why canonical recommends 32 bits in download page?
[07:27] <Bennlucky7> windows 4 noob
[07:27] <P-CHAN> canonical is owner of ubuntu.
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> P-CHAN: simple
[07:27] <ukbeast> 10.2 I get solid 25 fp/s on youtube, 11 it's half that
[07:27] <yuri__> Prolly so they don' have someone like me starting debates about 32-bit/64-bit. ;)
[07:27] <z3r0d3rp> because canonical knows that lots of people with old machines don't know what architecture they have
[07:27] <z3r0d3rp> and 32 bit will work on any
[07:27] <z3r0d3rp> durrrr
[07:27] <y0ug> Hi, Someone now the hour for the release?
[07:27] <yuri__> For now. Rumor has it that AMD is realing a 128-bit processor next year which won't run 32-bit anymore.
[07:28] <yuri__> *releasing.
[07:28] <ukbeast> Unity has really came a LONG way
[07:28] <Bagels> does unity interferewith compiz? I change things in compiz and nothing happens
[07:28] <z3r0d3rp> unity uses compiz
[07:28] <ukbeast> Compiz hates gnome and unity unless you do some hack work
[07:28] <z3r0d3rp> but not in 2d mode
[07:28] <ActionParsnip> P-CHAN: 32bit will run on BOTH 64bit and 32bit. The target audience of Ubuntu is the average user. So if they are not sure, they can use the recommended and it will work
[07:29] <z3r0d3rp> ^
[07:29] <chalcedony> my husband has a new brother printer  it can't find the file brlpdwrappermfcj6710dw on ubuntu 10.10
[07:29] <yuri__> Turboprint works wonders.
[07:29] <joemppe> yuri__, how much RAM can you stick in a 486DX :o\
[07:29] <yuri__> Mine only took 512MB.
[07:29] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: maverick is eol
[07:29] <joemppe> "only"
[07:29] <chalcedony> turboprint?
[07:29] <yuri__> I've seen a few 486s that take 1 gig.
[07:29] <Bagels> ukbeast: z3r0d3rp so what does that mean for me? I'm using unity 2D
[07:30] <yuri__> But they were usually server machines.
[07:30] <joemppe> well that should be enough to boot win7
[07:30] <yuri__> lol
[07:30] <z3r0d3rp> bagels compiz won't work in unity 2d
[07:30] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip, sigh, we will upgrade him soon
[07:30] <ukbeast> Use Xcfe or another session
[07:30] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: brother make 32bit Linux drivers. Try there
[07:30] <z3r0d3rp> people run unity in 2d? who knew?
[07:30] <Bagels> z3r0d3rp: what does it work with then, I want to zoom and do alt+tab
[07:30] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip, oh - will it work on 64bit?
[07:31] <z3r0d3rp> sorry bagels no can do
[07:31] <yuri__> As far as printers, I have a Canon Pixma 250P, I hate the thing. I had to buy turboprint in order to get the ink level under linux.
[07:31] <ActionParsnip> z3r0d3rp: i do, i hate compiz
[07:31] <yuri__> Couldn't get the drivers for it to work under wine. :(
[07:31] <chalcedony> yuri__, ouch sorry
[07:31] <ukbeast> Wine does not run drivers
[07:31] <Bagels> z3r0d3rp: what, can't use compiz at all in ubuntu? is that what you're saying? I doubt that very much, sir :(
[07:31] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: could force the arch I guess
[07:31] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip, debian.
[07:31] <yuri__> Yeah, found that out the hard way, ukbeast. ;)
[07:32] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip, um how?
[07:32] <ukbeast> Because It does not go near the kernal files
[07:32] <tarzeau> it's not released yet?
[07:32] <z3r0d3rp> bagels 2d = no effects
[07:32] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: what of Debian?
[07:32] <Bagels> z3r0d3rp: so if I switch to unity 3D can I have effects? I can log out and change my interface
[07:32] <z3r0d3rp> 3d even works on my old p4 box from 2004
[07:33] <chalcedony> oh you said you don't like compiz, not unity
[07:33] <ActionParsnip> Bagels: 2D = no dumb compiz glitches
[07:33] <z3r0d3rp> you have to install gpu drivers
[07:33] <yuri__> *sigh* It is taking sooooo long to tar and compress my home directory. It's only 18gb. :(
[07:33] <z3r0d3rp> otherwise you are stuck
[07:33] <tarzeau> yuri__: compress using gzip or something else?
[07:33] <z3r0d3rp> unity 2d is meant to support ancient hardware
[07:33] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: check man dpkg
[07:34] <P-CHAN> z3r0d3rp: no reason for desktop 3d
[07:34] <P-CHAN> eyecandy sux
[07:34] <tarzeau> z3r0d3rp: ubuntu doesn't support ancient hardware
[07:34] <ukbeast> Unity 3d has a weakness, under Driconf, enable Enable_stub ARB
[07:34] <ActionParsnip> z3r0d3rp: not strictly
[07:34] <z3r0d3rp> sure it does
[07:34] <P-CHAN> I prefer Kde
[07:34] <z3r0d3rp> 10.04 will run on anything practically
[07:34] <tarzeau> z3r0d3rp: certainly it does not
[07:34] <cdm10> z3r0d3rp: I have hardware from not that long ago which runs Compiz very slowly. You're simply wrong about this -- some older but not ANCIENT systems DO work better without compiz.
[07:34] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip, ty
[07:34] <Bagels> ActionParsnip: z3r0d3rp So even if I log in with Unity 3D I still have to do some fiddling to get things like alt+tab working again?
[07:34] <tarzeau> z3r0d3rp: no you can't run it on hardware that's ancient
[07:34] <z3r0d3rp> I didn't say work well
[07:34] <yuri__> I haven't tried unity yet. Tried just about all flavors of linux back in the 90s, though. ;)
[07:34] <ukbeast> Would you say Intel 945GME is ancient?
[07:35] <tarzeau> z3r0d3rp: yes i know, it will not work at all on ancient hardware
[07:35] <z3r0d3rp> I said 2d is meant for ancient
[07:35] <tarzeau> z3r0d3rp: simply because linux dropped support for 386 machines
[07:35] <ActionParsnip> z3r0d3rp: even if I had the most graphically powerful PC I STILL wound use 2D
[07:35] <P-CHAN> intel945 isnt ancient
[07:35] <tarzeau> z3r0d3rp: and there's some old machines which can't have more than 32 or 64 mb memory
[07:35] <ActionParsnip> Would*
[07:35] <P-CHAN> KDE 4 runs fine
[07:35] <z3r0d3rp> I define anything older that a pentium 3 ancient
[07:35] <ukbeast> KDE?, Boo!
[07:36] <z3r0d3rp> so not that ancient
[07:36] <z3r0d3rp> no
[07:36] <ukbeast> OK
[07:36] <z3r0d3rp> but I also consider a pentium 3 ancient
[07:36] <P-CHAN> ukbeast: boo? Mark Shuttlerwork uses KDE
[07:36] <P-CHAN> Linus Torvalds prefer KDE
[07:36] <ActionParsnip> z3r0d3rp: you can run Lubuntu well on a P2
[07:36] <hnsz>  P-CHAN not anymore he came back on that
[07:36] <ukbeast> It just looks over complicated
[07:37] <z3r0d3rp> Lubuntu is as resource intensive as unity
[07:37] <ActionParsnip> P-CHAN: yeah, well the Linux standard base species RPM, not DEB....
[07:37] <P-CHAN> ActionParsnip: ???????
[07:37] <ukbeast> Debian, I <3
[07:38] <z3r0d3rp> RPM is standard because of Red Hat?
[07:38] <z3r0d3rp> lol no
[07:38] <yuri__> YEah.
[07:38] <ActionParsnip> z3r0d3rp: its really not. I have P2 systems and Unit
[07:38] <z3r0d3rp> likely more installs using .deb
[07:38] <P-CHAN> RPM +DEB
[07:38] <ActionParsnip> z3r0d3rp: kills it dead
[07:38] <P-CHAN> RDM
[07:38] <yuri__> RH has been around since 1990. It went proprietary-ish back in 99, I believe.
[07:39] <ukbeast> Alien works a treat for those non .Deb files
[07:39] <yuri__> I remember my first experience with Debian. Scared me. Lost my RH disc and couldn't download RH no more. Even tried FreeBSD, that lasted all fo one day. Couldn't even get my mouse to work. ;)
[07:39] <z3r0d3rp> I dislike red hat based distros
[07:39] <P-CHAN> Linux haves very very interfaces but few programs
[07:39] <P-CHAN> or gimp or krita for example
[07:40] <ukbeast> OpenShot :) kicks windows movie makers BUTT
[07:40] <yuri__> *hides at the mention of the W word* How dare you cuss in public like that, ukbeast. ;)
[07:40] <z3r0d3rp> every time I go back to test the latest Fedora... I last about a day and then remember why I hate it
[07:40] <P-CHAN> ukbeast: Torrents >>>>>>> OpenShot
[07:40] <P-CHAN> Keygen, crack uhul
[07:40] <SunTsu> Wouldn't that be topics for -offtopic?
[07:40] <yuri__> Old redhat was awesome. Before it went proprietary and Fedora I agree is a scary experience.
[07:41] <saju> getting error mknod: missing operand after `10'
[07:41] <saju> when executing # mknod /dev/kvm c 10 `grep '\<kvm\>' /proc/misc | cut -f 1 -d\ `
[07:41] <ukbeast> Also Blender, I wish I have a proper tower for that, *Is on SAMSUNG N130
[07:42] <ikonia> saju: what arey ou doing ?
[07:42]  * ActionParsnip misses Mandrake 7. Great days
[07:42] <z3r0d3rp> the real problem is that once you get spoiled by the way Ubuntu handles permission and by apt - going back makes you feel like someone just made your life difficult for no reason
[07:42] <z3r0d3rp> it makes sense in a corporate environment I suppose
[07:42] <l3d> so lost on how to get a downloaded theme to worl?
[07:42] <z3r0d3rp> but no being able to change printers without root is dumb
[07:42] <saju> i want to create /dev/kvm
[07:42] <yuri__> I had a Fedora server for a year. Hated everyday. It kept breaking constantly.
[07:42] <stripe> # sdb1 backup drive
[07:42] <stripe> UUID=5bcedfb4-6c9c-4da6-9bf0-ce2a3a7e4a37 /media/backup ext4 defaults 0 1 does this look about right to add to fstab so that I can make another hard drive writable
[07:43] <SunTsu> saju: you don't need to mknod anymore, /dev is taken care by udev now
[07:43] <z3r0d3rp> I always run Debian for servers, but I always have
[07:43] <ActionParsnip> saju: i'd ask in #bash too.
[07:43] <z3r0d3rp> old habits I suppose
[07:43] <saju> i got that command from http://forum.soft32.com/linux/open-dev-kvm-file-directory-ftopict337826.html
[07:43] <ikonia> saju: why do you want to create that ?
[07:43] <P-CHAN> yuri__:  who cares. Ubuntu haves better support in google
[07:43] <P-CHAN> Mint oin first
[07:43] <SunTsu> !offtopic
[07:43] <ikonia> saju: what are you trying to do and why ?
[07:43] <ikonia> guys, can we stop with the tedious distro memories please.
[07:44] <yuri__> And I was having such fun while waiting for my hard drive to backup. I hate IDE. ;)
[07:44] <ActionParsnip> Aye
[07:44] <saju> getting error when strating VM
[07:44] <saju> /dev/kvm: No such file or directory\nCould not initialize KVM,
[07:44] <ukbeast> I never touched system files before (Back on Win****) I have a great confidence in tinkering with modprobe to blacklist a wlan driver which was buggy on 11.10
[07:44] <ikonia> saju: right, what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[07:44] <SunTsu> saju: then you don't have kvm support in your kernel
[07:45] <P-CHAN> pega na minha benga cambada de feladaputa
[07:45] <ikonia> P-CHAN: stop
[07:45] <P-CHAN> ikonia: ok
[07:45] <SunTsu> !pt | P-CHAN
[07:45] <Guest82801> the wireless mouse keeps freezing on my laptop when running on battery only
[07:45] <saju> yes
[07:45] <scientes> how do i use the linux2.6 personliaty?
[07:45] <scientes> i only see linux32 linux64
[07:45] <skramer_> how do I set up forked-daapd properly? I can see the tracks, but when I try to play there´s no sound in Banshee nor in Rhythmbox...
[07:46] <ikonia> saju: is the kvm module loaded ?
[07:46] <ukbeast> Banshee? Clementine is the ticket mate ;)
[07:46] <z3r0d3rp> Guest82801, I'm guessing that your usb ports are being powered down
[07:46] <z3r0d3rp> probably ACPI issue
[07:46] <z3r0d3rp> check in bios
[07:46] <P-CHAN> CANONICAL must support MATE with GTK3
[07:46] <skramer_> ukbeast: you mean I install Clementine & then I should be able to listen to my music??
[07:46] <ikonia> P-CHAN: STOP, now
[07:46] <saju> ya
[07:47] <Guest82801> z3r0d3rp, in bios? shouldn't this be in the OS?
[07:47] <saju> lsmod | grep kvm
[07:47] <saju> kvm                   305988  0
[07:47] <P-CHAN> ikonia: why now?
[07:47] <ukbeast> Also is ubuntu-restricted installed?
[07:47] <ukbeast> it gives you all the codecs you need
[07:47] <ikonia> P-CHAN: do you need support yes/no ?
[07:48] <schultza> when will 12.4 be release?
[07:48] <ikonia> saju: right, so udev should create that kvm node, you shouldn't have to manually create that
[07:48] <skramer_> yes, it is. In fact, it had mt-daapd working already. But after switching to forked-daapd I ran into problems...
[07:48] <P-CHAN> ikonia: yes man... My nokia 6111 hang on ubuntu
[07:48] <ikonia> saju: the most common cause for it not getting created is your CPU does't properly support virtualisation
[07:48] <ikonia> P-CHAN: what do you mean your phone hangs on ubuntu ?
[07:48] <ukbeast> Has anyone been region restricted when watching a dvd?  I thought the region stuff was firmware based in the dvd-drive itself.
[07:50] <P-CHAN> ikonia: WHen I use Nokia as modem with chrome, chromium or srware iron and closes ubuntu stops or when the SCREEN turn off
[07:50] <P-CHAN> [it only happen in uncle ubuntu
[07:50] <morpheeze> does anybody have a rough idea when the final images will be available for download?
[07:50] <ukbeast> I had one scrambled trailer on my anime DVD, *tries to remember name
[07:50] <z3r0d3rp> sometimes laptops and netbooks that are shipped with Windows OEM have drivers to help out with these type of things... in linux it might not send the proper signal to wake them
[07:50] <kaushal> Hi
[07:51] <kaushal> what is the exact time 12.04 will be released to public ?
[07:51] <z3r0d3rp> so you might be able to turn off ACPI control of your peripheral in BIOS
[07:51] <z3r0d3rp> that would probably fix it
[07:51] <ikonia> P-CHAN: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are saying, chrome is a web browser, it has no relevence to a modem
[07:51] <ikonia> ukbeast: donesn't matter about the name
[07:51] <P-CHAN> ikonia: no are you sure?
[07:51] <ikonia> kaushal: no-one knows,
[07:51] <ikonia> P-CHAN: positive
[07:52] <P-CHAN> ikonia:  Why it occurs only with my cell phone?
[07:52] <schultza> are there any issues upgrading distros... not a complete reinstall?
[07:52] <ikonia> P-CHAN: I don't know what you're actually asking
[07:52] <z3r0d3rp> iconia he is saying that he tethers to his phone and it crashes
[07:52] <ikonia> schultza: upgrades are fully supported
[07:52] <z3r0d3rp> ikonia,
[07:52] <schultza> thanks, ikonia
[07:52] <ukbeast> anyone get stuntrally working?
[07:53] <P-CHAN> ikonia: SOMETIMes i use nokia 6111 in ubuntu as modem
[07:53] <P-CHAN> ¬¬
[07:53] <ikonia> z3r0d3rp: thank you
[07:53] <schultza> should i wait to upgrade lts to lts or can i go closer right now?
[07:53] <fidel_> schultza: you can do both - so at the end its your decision
[07:53] <yuri__> Ah. I meant to ask that a little while ago. Can we go from final beta to lts or does it have to be lts to lts?
[07:53] <ukbeast> I installed it off playdeb and crashes after loading before race
[07:54] <schultza> which would be better? safer? (trying not to reinstall and loose data)
[07:54] <jackbrownhf> anyone available ? how can i set a plugin in xchat permanently ?
[07:54] <ikonia> ukbeast: contact playdeb then
[07:54] <ikonia> ukbeast: it's their package
[07:54] <ukbeast> I'm upgrading in update manager
[07:55] <z3r0d3rp> ukbeast google is your friend... it's likely that someone else is probably having the same issue
[07:55] <ikonia> ukbeast: just contact playdeb, they build those packages, they support them, the same as this channel supports ubuntu's packages
[07:56] <ukbeast> OK thanks
[07:56] <schultza> i think ubuntu should have rolling release codebase imho
[07:56] <ikonia> schultza: well it's not so thanks for that comment
[07:57] <z3r0d3rp> problem with rolling releases is that they force people to update to potentially less stable packages
[07:57] <z3r0d3rp> some people hate change
[07:57] <z3r0d3rp> etc
[07:57] <ikonia> well, it's not a rolling release so no need for discussion
[07:57] <schultza> ouch... sorry for putting fuel in the fire
[07:59] <ukbeast> Don't go nuts for this comment, Which is a good recommended AV?
[07:59] <z3r0d3rp> for Windows?
[07:59] <z3r0d3rp> don't need one for Ubuntu
[08:00] <ukbeast> They are possibilities, it's not 100% protected
[08:00] <Queops> If you are not careful
[08:00] <Queops> If you still insist there is ClamAV, but might be more useful to scan your windows partitions than anything lol.
[08:00] <Dragos29> hy
[08:01] <z3r0d3rp> I work in netsec... and I can tell you with certainty that AV does not benefit linux
[08:01] <yuri__> Are there any DVD design programs for Linux similar to Sony DVD Architect? I tried DVD Styler, but it keeps freezing half way through the render process.
[08:01] <z3r0d3rp> if you are going to get hacked it will be by weak service exploit
[08:01] <Dragos29> who help me
[08:01] <z3r0d3rp> or rogue trojan that you willfully installed
[08:01] <Dragos29> i have a problem with ubuntu
[08:02] <ukbeast> I saw that Mac got hit with trojan
[08:02] <iceroot_> !details | Dragos29
[08:02] <ukbeast> Is it unix based?
[08:02] <z3r0d3rp> ukbeast, that was a hole in Java
[08:02] <iceroot_> ukbeast: yes and offtopic here
[08:02] <ukbeast> AH I see
[08:02] <Dragos29> i installed ubuntu 11.10
[08:03] <Dragos29> and i clicked on restart
[08:03] <Roj> ubuntu have any dvd version?with most app for install like open suse dvd?
[08:03] <iceroot_> Roj: yes
[08:03] <vexaxv> cant waittttttt for ubuntu 12.04
[08:03] <Dragos29> Occur when loading ubuntu I do not get to write user and password
[08:03] <iceroot_> !download | Roj
[08:04] <yuri__> GRRR! I want 1204.
[08:04] <iceroot_> yuri__: then get it
[08:04] <Dragos29> *stopping save kernel messages
[08:05] <Dragos29> *starting bluetooth
[08:05] <Amdpc> !enter Dragos29
[08:05] <iceroot_> Dragos29: no GUI comes up? just the boot-messages?
[08:05] <vexaxv> yuri__, i do too official though not beta
[08:05] <Amdpc> !enter | Dragos29
[08:05] <Multiply> Hi guys. I recently tried upgrading my ubuntu server, and it went fine with the first upgrade. And the next one didn't reboot, so I forced the machine off, and back on. Now I'm stuck at grub. How do I get into the system now?
[08:05] <Roj> i need dvd version it is cd version  :-)
[08:05] <iceroot_> Multiply: grub is offering you different kernel-version to boot?
[08:06] <yuri__> That's my question though, is this like win where you can not go from beta to final or can I do that? Beta to final. Upgrading.
[08:06] <iceroot_> Roj: look at the links there is the dvd also
[08:06] <Multiply> iceroot_: It's more like cmdline only
[08:06] <iceroot_> Roj: imo on "alternate download locations"
[08:06] <vexaxv> yuri__, official will be out today just wait lol
[08:06] <Amdpc> @Roj : May I pm you ?
[08:06] <iceroot_> Multiply: some text about "busybox"?
[08:06] <Ben64> yuri__: yes you can update from beta to final
[08:06] <z3r0d3rp> he's dropped into grub rescue
[08:06] <iceroot_> !final | yuri__
[08:07] <Multiply> iceroot_: All it says is Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. And then GRUB version 1.98-1ubuntu13
[08:07] <Starminn> How can I backup my GPG/SSH data so I can use it still once I make a fresh install of Ubuntu 12.04?
[08:07] <z3r0d3rp> yeah it can't find your kernel
[08:07] <yuri__> I'm only anxious because my system is running in RAM only right now. I went to switch for MAWK to GAWK and lost a lot of core files for ubuntu. :(
[08:07] <yuri__> I know, it makes no sense to me either.
[08:08] <iceroot_> yuri__: i asked you about some output still no response so we can not solve your issue
[08:08] <z3r0d3rp> lol yuri__  at least you have a reason for a full new install
[08:08] <z3r0d3rp> I am going to stick with 11.10 until the initial bugs are worked out
[08:08] <yuri__> I gave output. Must have gotten lost in all the chatter.
[08:08] <yuri__> Lemme grab it again real quick.
[08:08] <iceroot_> yuri__: fine, any output of "dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii | grep -v ^rc"?
[08:09] <yuri__> iF  install-info                          4.13a.dfsg.1-8ubuntu1                   Manage installed documentation in info format
[08:09] <theotix> test
[08:09] <theotix> hello
[08:09] <Multiply> iceroot_: I've tried a few tips from google, but I can't seem to get my root right. I know (hd0,1) and (lb1-root) have content.
[08:09] <theotix> What news about the LTS version ?
[08:09] <Multiply> iceroot_: Where it seems (lb1-root) is having most of my files.
[08:10] <iceroot_> yuri__: that is the only output?
[08:10] <yuri__> Yeah.
[08:10] <yuri__> Besides the key above that eplaining about the captial text and errors.
[08:10] <yuri__> *explaining.
[08:11] <KeithWeisshar> when will ubuntu 12.04 be released
[08:11] <yuri__> lol
[08:11] <z3r0d3rp> multiply can you boot into a live dist to see what's actually where?
[08:12] <z3r0d3rp> because the fastest way might be to chroot into your box and reinstall grub
[08:12] <Starminn> How can I backup my GPG/SSH data so I can use it still once I make a fresh install of Ubuntu 12.04?
[08:12] <Multiply> z3r0d3rp: It's a virtual machine, and I can't seem to get it to boot from any of my iso files.
[08:12] <z3r0d3rp> if that doesn't work you might need to fix other things via chroot
[08:12] <_r00t_> Happy Ubuntu Day
[08:12] <iceroot_> yuri__: "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[08:13] <z3r0d3rp> multiply if it's vmware you can boot a live dist and mount the image as a drive
[08:13] <dArKd3ViL> is it out yet?
[08:13] <KeithWeisshar> will 12.04 be released later today?
[08:13] <z3r0d3rp> I'm not sure if you can do that in virtualbox
[08:13] <ikonia> dArKd3ViL: no, or it would be on the web page, think it through
[08:13] <Multiply> z3r0d3rp: It is. Can I do that from the webinterface?
[08:13] <yuri__> exit status 127.
[08:13] <z3r0d3rp> not sure
[08:14] <z3r0d3rp> you might have to do it in vmware workstation
[08:14] <pawdro> @OPS - i suggest placing some note about release moment of Pangolin :) users' flood is coming ;]
[08:14] <dArKd3ViL> i am just playing with irc bots here, if there are any :P
[08:14] <z3r0d3rp> and use a network connection to mount the drive
[08:14] <ikonia> dArKd3ViL: well don't
[08:14] <xuserx> hi
[08:14] <Multiply> z3r0d3rp: It's a vSphere instance I assume
[08:15] <Multiply> Is there no way, I can solve it from the bash-line to just get in?
[08:15] <z3r0d3rp> hmm I haven't actually had to do what you are doing
[08:15] <Multiply> And then run the grub installer
[08:15] <z3r0d3rp> you don't have a bash prompt
[08:15] <Multiply> I do.
[08:15] <z3r0d3rp> that is a grub rescue prompt
[08:15] <z3r0d3rp> you have bash?
[08:15] <Multiply> Well, grub's simple one
[08:15] <yuri__> My bash disappeared along with the rest of my core files.
[08:15] <z3r0d3rp> well the problem is that it's not finding your kernel image
[08:15] <z3r0d3rp> so either it's not there
[08:15] <z3r0d3rp> which is probably the problem
[08:15] <Multiply> I think I'm setting the root wrong.
[08:15] <z3r0d3rp> or the cfg is wrong
[08:16] <Bagels> How can I attach a script to my Unity bar?
[08:16] <xuserx> when will be ubuntu 12.04 relased?
[08:16] <yuri__> All my kernel stuff is still in my boot directory.
[08:16] <ikonia> xuserx: at some point during the day
[08:16] <ikonia> yuri__: your kernel should be in /boot
[08:16] <Multiply> z3r0d3rp: Can I change the config from here?
[08:16] <xuserx> today?
[08:16] <xuserx> :-D
[08:16] <yuri__> ikonia: All of it is. the initrd, the config and the vmlinuz.
[08:17] <ikonia> yuri__: correct, that's where it should be
[08:17] <z3r0d3rp> I dunno Multiply unless you can figure out a way to mount the drive in vmware and access it from another vm I don't know how to help
[08:17] <z3r0d3rp> perhaps someone else is better with a rescue prompt
[08:17] <Dragos29> who is from romania??
[08:18] <xuserx> im from romania
[08:18] <Bagels> I have a script I can run by double-clicking, but how can I make it so I can just run it from my Unity bar?
[08:18] <Multiply> z3r0d3rp: It's okay. :) Well, I get it to sorta boot. It says it tries to mount /dev/ to /root/dev but fails. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing tho
[08:18] <z3r0d3rp> I know that it's possible in vmware workstation but I am not sure of the specifics
[08:18] <Dragos29> poti sa ma ajuti?
[08:18] <Multiply> It should be possible, but it didn't seem to work earlier.
[08:19] <Multiply> Anyone else familiar with grubs resque prompt?
[08:19] <z3r0d3rp> what version did you update?
[08:20] <Multiply> From 10.4 I assume, and up.
[08:20] <Multiply> First update went fine, tho.
[08:20] <goschtl> hi need help in configuering my network in a ubuntu server.... i have two network cards the first is configured via the install process in works fine.... now i try to configure my second
[08:20] <goschtl> but it does not work
[08:21] <goschtl> can i paste my /etc/network/interfaces
[08:21] <yuri__> Well, I'm going to assume that my system is a lost cause and take off for the night. Hopefully later today I can get 1204 LTS and in the meantime I will hope the power doesn't go out here. ;) Night.
[08:21] <z3r0d3rp> yeah I gotta call it a night
[08:21] <nicon`> Hello :-) Is there any informations when can I expect new ubuntu 12.04 in download?
[08:22] <ikonia> nicon`: no
[08:22] <SunTsu> !outyet
[08:22] <z3r0d3rp> good luck Multiply, if you have vmware workstation installed look up the procedure for mounting a network drive
[08:22] <schultza> really? today!?
[08:22] <z3r0d3rp> first create a new vm locally, then mount the network image
[08:23] <z3r0d3rp> then chroot and troubleshoot from there
[08:23]  * z3r0d3rp winks, this is why you always make backups right?
[08:23] <z3r0d3rp> gnight
[08:24] <Multiply> z3r0d3rp: Thanks.
[08:27] <goblog> hallo all .. is there a new i915 driver?
[08:28] <goblog> I think the old one is minting my laptop badly
[08:28] <goblog> it's so so hot
[08:29] <vak123> am I going to be kicked from channel is ask "when?"
[08:29] <ikonia> vak123: no, but the answer is "no set time"
[08:29] <nicon`> ikonia: you've got some serious complexes :-)
[08:29] <vak123> ikonia: oah...
[08:29] <SunTsu> Maybe somebody should mention !outyet in /topic
[08:29] <ikonia> SunTsu: no-one reads the topic,
[08:30] <vak123> ikonia: i do!
[08:30] <ikonia> vak123: clearly you do'nt as it says "12.04 questions in the ubuntu+1 channel, not here"
[08:30] <paulus68> nicon`: Ikonia doesn't have complexes he's one of the backbones of Ubuntu support over the years that I use ubuntu
[08:30] <SunTsu> ikonia: then we're not off worse if it's mentioned there ;)
[08:31] <nicon`> paulus68: as I use Ubuntu over the years I didn't need support, so I don't care, sorry :-)
[08:31] <nicon`> (so I don't care who he is)*
[08:31] <n1gz> backtrack is where its at
[08:31] <schultza> no we dont... we just want to talk to all these fine ppl here and ask all kinds of questions.... im kidding/playing
[08:32] <vak123> ikonia: this is true, but this channel should know when it "dies" better :)
[08:32] <ikonia> n1gz: that's offtopic here, so please keep to Ubuntu support
[08:32] <SunTsu> nicon`: you were told that you're being rude. There are two ways to react to that: apologize or keep on being rude. You chose to do the latter and now complain about the consequences in a different channel you were told to discuss it. Well...
[08:32] <ikonia> SunTsu: let it go please, it's pointless.
[08:32] <nicon`> :-)
[08:32] <paulus68> nicon`: if you don't need support why are you here then ?
[08:32] <nicon`> paulus68: to ask about release? :-)
[08:33] <nicon`> Because it's kinda important for me can I except it in one hour, or ten hours? :-)
[08:33] <ikonia> nicon`: great, you've got your answer, so problem solved.
[08:33] <mathews> !12.04
[08:33] <paulus68> nicon`: no need to ask about the release as akonia mentioned previously it will come out sometime today
[08:33] <ikonia> paulus68: he's got the answer, so it's all sorted, lets not drag it on
[08:33] <paulus68> nicon`: 26/04/2012
[08:33] <nicon`> ...
[08:33] <paulus68> ikonia: got you
[08:33] <ikonia> paulus68: thank you
[08:34] <nicon`> paulus68: did you read what I wrote? I know it's today, thanks for informations.
[08:34] <dataviruset> 12:04 today, I hope :D
[08:34] <nicon`> dataviruset: the question is: which time zone ;-)
[08:34] <ikonia> there is no question as there is no set time
[08:35] <dataviruset> nicon`: Ah, yes :D
[08:36] <aditya> ubuntu is released when everything is verified to be working, There is no set time
[08:37] <alex--> I did sudo add-apt-repository ppa:cooperjona/nitrotasks && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nitrotasks
[08:38] <mathews> go to www.ubuntu.com and keep pressing f5!!!!
[08:38] <_r00t_> Last day to support 11.10 ! No more palming off questions to #ubuntu+1 :)
[08:38] <alex--> but when i do apt-get update i get:            W: Ophalen van http://ppa.launchpad.net/cooperjona/nitrotasks/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources is mislukt  404  Not Found                  W: Ophalen van http://ppa.launchpad.net/cooperjona/nitrotasks/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages is mislukt  404  Not Found                    E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[08:38] <aditya> insted of ubuntu.com try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/
[08:39] <Multiply> I'm stuck at grub bash-like line editing prompt.. I'm on a virtual server, and I think I got it to include my iso as a CD. How do I boot on the CD?
[08:39] <ikonia> aditya: no, do NOT post that
[08:40] <Tanvir> When 12.04 will be available to download?
[08:41] <pengw> I want to ask the same question
[08:41] <Tanvir> It's already 14:04 here. :-P
[08:41] <pengw> it is 20:41 here
[08:41] <mathews> Tanvir, after it get uploaded!
[08:41] <dataviruset> 10:41 here :)
[08:41] <aditya> 14:11 here
[08:41] <Tanvir> I know it's still 22:41 of 25th in Tahiti. LOL
[08:41] <Tanvir> But we are not counting on Tahiti I think.. :-P
[08:42] <pengw> 20:41 in New Zealand :-P
[08:42] <mathews> I am from Qatar and the time is 11:42:21
[08:42] <fl1bbl3> I am from somewhere that can use www.timeanddate.com
[08:42] <Tanvir> Pengw, you are about to say goodbye to 26th! o.O
[08:42] <Ztane> hehe new zealanders likely to have to wait until tomorrow?
[08:42] <waiting> wow, it's only 10:45 here
[08:42] <killfoo_> where do i get a torrent to download it?
[08:43] <pengw> yes
[08:43] <mathews> let us readjust the cushion and sit back
[08:43] <alex--> anyone?
[08:43] <pengw> so  they count on which time ???
[08:43] <mathews> U S time I think...they are sleeping there?
[08:44] <fl1bbl3> its like 04:43 in the US
[08:44] <Tanvir> Mathews, whatever.. geeks don't sleep much. :-P
[08:44] <ikonia> look - there is no set time, it doesn't matter what time it is for you - there is no set time, so just wait
[08:44] <fl1bbl3> whats the rush?
[08:44] <pengw> South Africa ?
[08:44] <ikonia> if you miss the release by 5 minutes, the world will not end
[08:44] <fl1bbl3> it will be like the beta with some minor changes
[08:44] <fl1bbl3> big deal
[08:44] <waiting> 5 minutes! Noooooo!
[08:45] <Tanvir> Ikonia, no one is worrying. :-)
[08:45] <Tanvir> Don't spoil the fun. :-P
[08:45] <ikonia> when it is released there will be an announcment, please just sit tight and wait for the anouncment
[08:45] <pengw> how about they just name the bate 2 as final and release it
[08:45] <ikonia> Tanvir: it's a support channel, this stuff is of no value
[08:45] <aditya> a lot has changed since beta 2
[08:45] <mathews> Its amazing that people loves Ubuntu the most! Even they couldn't wait.
[08:45] <aditya> so just walt and relax
[08:45] <pawdro> lets have positive attitude, clock is ticking and on distrowatch there is no ubuntu "12.04 LTS beta", but 'ubuntu 12.04 LTS', so maybe things going right way ;]
[08:46] <Arnold> As soon as it IS out, #ubuntu will be supporting 12.04 too.
[08:46] <alvesjnr> hi all. My Ubuntu is with a problem. I cannot login, it shows an error about .ICEauthority
[08:46] <hudeki> Can I just upgrade from beta with dist-upgrade?
[08:46] <alvesjnr> any Idea?
[08:46] <ikonia> hudeki: sure
[08:46] <_r00t_> hudeki: apparently yes
[08:46] <mathews> alvesjnr, post it clearly and with details
[08:47] <Tanvir> Ikonia, I aware of that. :-) *expects flexibility*
[08:47] <alex--> but when i do apt-get update i get:            W: Ophalen van http://ppa.launchpad.net/cooperjona/nitrotasks/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources is mislukt  404  Not Found                  W: Ophalen van http://ppa.launchpad.net/cooperjona/nitrotasks/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages is mislukt  404  Not Found                    E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[08:47] <pawdro> alvesjnr, join #ubuntu+1 for Pangolin help
[08:47] <ikonia> alex--: that PPA is not found/no-longer exists
[08:47] <alex--> omgubuntu.co.uk says
[08:47] <pengw> PPA was down
[08:47] <alex--> was or is?
[08:47] <pengw> is
[08:47] <alvesjnr> When I try to log int it pops-up: "Error: could not update .ICEauthority"
[08:48] <ikonia> alex--: omgubuntu does not monitor or control PPA's
[08:48] <ikonia> alex--: there is no natty package in that repo
[08:49] <mathews> Pls dont just add PPAs with your eyes closed. Once I did from OMG then I lost the system.
[08:49] <mathews> He just wants to fill up his blogs with something.
[08:50] <ilf> is there a release channel?
[08:50] <alex--> ikonia: so how to fix it?
[08:50] <mathews> ilf, #ubuntu+1
[08:50] <DJones> !party > ilf
[08:50] <ikonia> alex--: contact the person who owns that PPA and ask him to put a natty package together
[08:51] <alex--> ah
[08:51] <Vergudo> Hi!  I  want to design a fork of Ubuntu that discourages negros from  using it
[08:51] <alex--> how can i remove the ppa?
[08:51] <Vergudo> is this allowed?
[08:51] <mathews> Vergudo, racism not allowed here.Pls mind your words.
[08:52] <SunTsu> yay, k-line active, thanks Freenode staff!
[08:52] <holmescn> alex:remove list in /etc/apt/source.list
[08:52] <angelo> hello
[08:53] <Vergudo> sorry mathews
[08:53] <kjs_> when is ubuntu out?
[08:53] <Vergudo> that is why I said negros and not niggers
[08:53] <Vergudo> I won't do it again
[08:53] <kjs_> Vergudo: not cool
[08:53] <Vergudo> what?
[08:53] <Vergudo> negro means black
[08:53] <Vergudo> it is not a racial slur
[08:54] <mathews> Ubuntu has no race and it is for the entire world!
[08:54] <Slartibart> I'm using (trying to) Gnome and the 12.04 beta after upgrading yesterday. But now nothing from my ~/Desktop(local language equivalent) is showing anymore =[. The local lang Desktop folder that was working for 11.10 is still there, so I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what has changed?
[08:54] <pengw> yes Ubuntu is no race
[08:54] <Valtam> mathews]$ hes trolling pay no attention
[08:54] <Valtam> he wants a reply
[08:54] <Moon_Doggy> umm
[08:54] <kjs_> Vergudo don't be facetious
[08:55] <mathews> silence makes nothing!
[08:55] <trask> party time in here?
[08:55] <ikonia> trask: no
[08:55] <DJones> They've been klined a 2nd time, just ignore it
[08:55] <killfoo_> trask: no
[08:55]  * elijah is getting his party time on!
[08:56]  * elijah just checked for updates like a kid on Christmas
[08:56] <mathews> Slartibart, there are issues with upgrading....mostly the community not suggests it.Wait to release the 12.04 and do some updates and see.
[08:56] <alex--> lol
[08:57] <trask> so no release today?
[08:57] <Moon_Doggy> isn't the word "ubuntu" a african word, and since most of Africa is black wouldn't that mean that ubuntu is aswell?
[08:57] <ikonia> Moon_Doggy: drop it please.
[08:57] <GhostWolf>  :)
[08:57] <anon^_^> strange issue, anyone on 10.04 and started to experience random freezes in the past 10 days
[08:57] <Moon_Doggy> it was just a joke
[08:57] <ikonia> Moon_Doggy: ok, then please don't
[08:58] <llutz> Moon_Doggy: where the funny part?
[08:58] <anon^_^> wonder if there was a bad kernel update, or something else
[08:58] <ikonia> anon^_^: nope
[08:58] <Slartibart> mathews: Ok, will do. Thanks.
[08:58] <mathews> Moon_Doggy, even the login sound too from their favorite instrument.
[08:58] <bobbyaldol> Hey I wonder what the heck is grub
[08:58] <n1gz> apt-get
[08:58] <llutz> bobbyaldol: a bootmanager
[08:58] <ila> grand unified boot loader
[08:58] <elijah> Moon_Doggy: quick tip I learned a while ago - Use 'a' preceding words that start with a consonant and 'an' preceding words that start with a vowel!
[08:58] <kjs_> is ubuntu out today still ?
[08:59] <llutz> grand "unfinished" ...
[08:59] <bobbyaldol> ok. That makes sense . But will it ever stop to work
[08:59]  * elijah hopes Ubuntu release is delayed, needs some more fine tuning imo.
[08:59] <bobbyaldol> because I have a message saying that it failed
[08:59] <Hatrix76> I need a fart as a login sound
[09:00] <ikonia> kjs_: yeah, it will be out at some point today
[09:00] <ikonia> Hatrix76: find one and set it up then
[09:00] <mueslee> will 12.4 final be released today?
[09:00] <mathews> go to www.ubuntu.com and keep your finger on F5
[09:00] <ikonia> Moon_Doggy: yes
 you have a strange taste for music
[09:00] <Hatrix76> ikonia, better yet, I should record one ... than it's really personal and I don't follow the crowd
[09:01] <ikonia> Hatrix76: don't really care, it's not a support question, do what you want
[09:01] <Moon_Doggy> ikonia, ?
[09:01] <ikonia> Moon_Doggy: sorry, that was for mueslee
[09:01] <Moon_Doggy> oh
[09:02] <mueslee> neat!
[09:02] <mueslee> when? :)
[09:02] <Moon_Doggy> ikonia, speaking of support questions, have you ever use xmodmap?
[09:02] <mueslee> my old harddisk just died
[09:02] <mueslee> best time for a new system
[09:02] <ikonia> Moon_Doggy: very rarley, I don't have cause to normally
[09:02] <SteveBell> hi all, can I already update to ubuntu 12? not seeing anything in software updates...
[09:02] <ikonia> SteveBell: then no, wait for the updates to be available
[09:03] <SteveBell> ok, should they be available today? if so about what time?
[09:03] <ikonia> SteveBell: no set time
[09:03] <walidvb> hi guys! i am told by a friend that my xorg.conf has the correct graphic card, but that "nvidia settings identifies as" another card.
[09:04] <Womkes> New ubuntu coming today right?
[09:04] <SteveBell> kk, will try to be more patient :)
[09:04] <Womkes> I hope it is released when I get home from work
[09:04] <Womkes> Will launch up a vbox and try it out :)
[09:04] <Moon_Doggy> well I remapped capslock to be the left "alt" key and I succeed but I can't use my newly mapped key in combination with another key like alt-tab
[09:05] <mathews> !offtopic
[09:08] <walidvb> what does that mean, how can i check, and how do i change that?
[09:10] <lxgrx> why are so many mirrors on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors a week behind? is that normal?
[09:10] <makara> what time today Pangolin available?
[09:11] <xsl> guys how can i correct the problem with JAVA ?
[09:11] <xsl> firefox disables java
[09:12] <weox> hello .. how can i monitor http connection on our machine ?? (i want see detial what send and what get it !!)
[09:12] <ikonia> weox: view the http logs
[09:13] <weox> ikonia : http logs ?? i want monitor all possible data .. like post method get method and ... !!
[09:14] <ikonia> weox: yes, so you can see that in the httpd logs
[09:14] <weox> ikonia : where is that log ?
[09:15] <aditya> /var/log/
[09:16] <ikonia> weox: your apache logs
[09:17] <Mayazcherquoi> Umm, I know this may sound stupid or something but it's really all I can think of at the moment. How can I force Linux to send power through my VGA port on my computer, so it recognises that my second monitor is actually connected?
[09:17] <walidvb> hi guys! i am told by a friend that my xorg.conf has the correct graphic card, but that "nvidia settings identifies as" another card.
[09:17] <walidvb> what does that mean, how can i check, and how do i change that?
[09:17] <Womkes> I have a strange problem with my work PC running @ Ubuntu. Whenever I want to copy & paste something from NetBeans to Google Chrome nothing happen. It works fine from Kate to Chrome or NetBeans to rekonq. But not from NetBeans to Chrome. Anybody got any ideas what is the matter?
[09:19] <somsip> Womkes: Where are you copying it to? Address bar? Document in Google Docs?
[09:19] <Womkes> somsip, into a from, copying to address bar works fine
[09:19] <Womkes> form
[09:19] <alvesjnr> for an unknow reason, after a reboot my user loses the permission to write on his own home directory (???). It was quite easy to fixe, but any of you have some Idea about why did it happen?
[09:19] <ammar__> hello.
[09:20] <ammar__> my question is that, that I am currently on ubuntu 11.10 (current main OS) and I want to update to 12.04. I have installed virtual box for 11.10. So will my virtual box still work if I upgrade my OS to 12.04?
[09:20] <somsip> Womkes: ah - not had, but unable to copy from Google Docs as easy as I would like. Probably not related to your issue
[09:20] <pengw> ammar good question , it should work i think
[09:20] <Womkes> I think it happened after one of the Chrome updates about 2 weeks ago
[09:21] <Womkes> suddenly cannot copy&paste from NetBeans to Chrome anymore
[09:21] <Womkes> really strange
[09:21] <ammar__> so can I update it manually?
[09:21] <ammar__> if it doesn't work?
[09:21] <Womkes> ammar__, it will work fine
[09:21] <a_b0y> why don't they just release Ubuntu tomorrow since it is not even ready yet today
[09:21] <antnash_> Alrght guys. I'm trying to set a scheduled reboot for 6am. I've done sudo crontab -e, then added 0 6 * * * reboot. It's not working, what am I doing wrong?
[09:21] <pengw> there is no guarantee
[09:21] <ammar__> great :)
[09:22] <ammar__> also one more question
[09:22] <Womkes> ah, sorry ammar__ I read it wrong
[09:22] <RiMMER> why do you guys think it's not ready?
[09:22] <LorD_DDooM> ammar__: Your VirtualBox VM should work, if they are stored in /home partition (.virtualboxVM).
[09:22] <Womkes> I thought you had 11.04 in vbox environment
[09:22] <Womkes> and you want to pdate that one
[09:22] <Womkes> yeah I dont know about question
[09:22] <Womkes> that is somethign you have to test yeah
[09:22] <ammar__> ah alright.
[09:23] <shookees> Hoi everyone
[09:23] <Womkes> I am currently running the latest beta for 12.04 in a vbox environment on my windows7 pc
[09:23] <Womkes> that works fine
[09:23] <ammar__> my other question is what is LTS? and when is Ubuntu 12.04 going to be released I mean out of beta.
[09:23] <LorD_DDooM> But only if you run in normal (user mode), VMs with root priviliges are stored elsewhere and mioght be deleted with the update (this is assuming /home is ona  different partition)
[09:24] <a_b0y> in the global world of computers and the internet when they say April 26 most would think April 26 midnight at their headquarter's time
[09:24] <Womkes> LTS = Long Term Support
[09:24] <Womkes> means that version will be supported for 18 months
[09:24] <Womkes> but for 12.04 that has been increased to 5 years
[09:24] <ammar__> @Womkes. I mean to say that I am on ubuntu. (it is my primary OS) and I am running virtualbox to run XP in it
[09:24] <ammar__> thats cool
[09:25] <Womkes> Usually businesses use the LTS version in their organizations
[09:25] <ammar__> so when is it ganna be released? I mean when is it ganna be out of beta stage?
[09:25] <Womkes> e.g. in the company I work for we only upgrade from LTS to LTS
[09:25] <Womkes> nothing in between
[09:25] <Womkes> Today ammar__
[09:25] <Womkes> 12.04 will be released somewhere today
[09:25] <ammar__> :D thats awesome!
[09:25] <textk> ubuntu canonical team is on UTC - 7 ?
[09:26] <ammar__> one more question.
[09:26] <Womkes> As far as virtual box goes, just check the vbox website/community for any issues relating 12.04 support
[09:26] <RiMMER> UTC-1
[09:26] <hayden_ru_> well they never give you exact time do they
[09:26] <RiMMER> or so
[09:26] <ammar__> if I update to ubuntu LTS. will I be able to update again to other non LTS versions?
[09:26] <Womkes> yeah sure
[09:26] <hayden_ru_> mirrors are probably syncing now
[09:26] <Womkes> you can do a dist_upgrade whenever you want
[09:27] <ammar__> this is awesome!
[09:27] <Womkes> The easiest way to look at it that LTS versions are like major versions and non-LTS minor version like service packs for windows
[09:27] <Womkes> not exactly but the general idea
[09:28] <SunTsu> ammar__: you can, of course, LTS just means that you a) don't need to upgrade to every release because you'll receive bugfixes for a longer time and b) you can upgrade to the next LTS directly
[09:28] <Womkes> for businesses with more long term planning for their IT infrastructure it is better to use the LTS
[09:29] <ammar__> so do u guys know the release time?
[09:29] <cdoktor19> hi
[09:29] <Womkes> You can plan a bit more, provides stability that you know that the version you will use is being supported for hte next 5 years
[09:29] <a_b0y> so lunbuntu doesn't have ltr?
[09:29] <Womkes> Dunno ammar__ somewhere today, think should be somewhere in the next couple of hours
[09:29] <Womkes> mirrors are ready
[09:29] <nina666> hi... i've installed vmware player on my machine, but i cannot run it... when I click on the icon, it says several modules need to be compiled and loaded into the kernel, then when i click on install, after asking for the root pass, it tries these modules: 1.Virtual Machine Monitor, 2.Virtual Network Device, 3.Vmware Blocking Filesystem, 4. Virtual Machine Communication Interface, 5.VMCI Sockets. and numbers 2,4 and 5 fail, and it displays this error: Un
[09:29] <nina666> able to start services: See log for file.... any clues whats the problem?
[09:29] <Womkes> in the netherlands we have a company that has set up a 3.2 Gbit/sec mirror
[09:29] <SunTsu> Womkes: my parents get LTS, too, less work for me, less need to visit them for upgrades ;)
[09:30] <Womkes> https://weblog.bit.nl/2012/04/25/voorbereidingen-van-de-nl-mirror-op-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[09:30] <Womkes> its in dutch
[09:30] <Hoyt> nina666: did you install the kernel headers
[09:30] <Womkes> but they will host one of the major ubuntu mirrors :)
[09:30] <nina666> Hoyt: how should I look for them?
[09:31] <Hoyt> nina666: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:32] <a_b0y> how do i make a windows boot usb in linux?
[09:32] <Hoyt> a_b0y: use grub4dos
[09:32] <a_b0y> ok i'll search for it
[09:33] <Hoyt> a_b0y: no , sorry i misunderstand your question , it can only boot some DOS images and linux
[09:33] <gorski> will i be able to upgrade from lucid to precise today?
[09:33] <nina666> Hoyt: this is what i get: http://pastebin.com/wsWDZJDE
[09:33] <ammar__> @gorski yes you will
[09:33] <Hoyt> a_b0y: use VMware / VIrtualbox , and install windows inside , make your bootable usb
[09:33] <gorski> ok, tnx
[09:34] <nina666> Hoyt: which apparently the headers are there...
[09:34] <a_b0y> hoyt, i have an iso image of windows and i want to make a bootable usb with it
[09:35] <a_b0y> 3
[09:35] <ammar__> hey
[09:35] <Hoyt> a_b0y: i never tried to make a bootable windows installer , usually I use winpe + ghost
[09:35] <ammar__> would I require a CD to burn the image? or can I like directly update?
[09:35] <nina666> Hoyt: and this is what vmware log shows me: http://pastebin.com/upteF7QH
[09:35] <Hoyt> nina666: sudo apt-get install monodoc-browser
[09:35] <yuni> I m using 11.10 ubuntu, after a power failure, I am seeing this, BusyBox V1.18.4 (Ubuntu 1:1.18.4-2ubuntu2) built in shell(ash) enter help for a list of commands (initramfs)
[09:36] <yuni> please help
[09:36] <ammar__> @yuni
[09:37] <ammar__> boot into your windows
[09:37] <yuni> ok
[09:37] <ammar__> open it fully and then restart your computer
[09:37] <tiago_alves> Hi everyone
[09:37] <ammar__> this will fix the issue
[09:37] <tiago_alves> Does anyone know when 12.04 will be released?
[09:37] <yuni> how i will, open it
[09:38] <ammar__> open what?
 I m using 11.10 ubuntu, after a power failure, I am seeing this, BusyBox V1.18.4 (Ubuntu 1:1.18.4-2ubuntu2) built in shell(ash) enter help for a list of commands (initramfs)
[09:38] <yuni> help
[09:38] <Hoyt> nina666: does VMware provide you a compile log file ?
[09:39] <ammar__> @yuni boot into your windows OS and run chkdsk
[09:39] <ammar__> after that restart your computer
[09:39] <bindi> ammar__: you are falsely assuming he has windows
[09:39] <ammar__> and run ubuntu
[09:39] <walidvb> how can i check if dri is loaded? or check the gpu usage?
[09:39] <yuni> dear I m not using windows
[09:39] <Hoyt> yuni: do you have any other bootable media
[09:39] <ammar__> woops
[09:39] <yuni> yes
[09:39] <yuni> live cd
[09:40] <Hoyt> yuni: try boot with recover mode , and see what you can get
[09:40] <Hoyt> yuni: and fix it laterly with your live cd
[09:41] <yuni> ok
[09:41] <MACscr> i have a headless ubuntu system that im running as a home server. Im intermittedly getting having issues access it on the lan for 15 to 30 seconds at a time every hour or so. Im running version 11.10. Suggestions on where i should start looking? Could some sort of power management setting be affecting things?
[09:41] <nydel> i am using a laptop & an hdmi out -- is there a way to make them behave as two separate workspaces?
[09:41] <yuni> thanks
[09:41] <Hoyt> MACscr: what service do you run remotely ?
[09:42] <MACscr> well im connected to it through a web interface for deluge, ssh, and samba
[09:42] <MACscr> during these short outages, its not even responding to ping
[09:42] <shomon> hi, I have a laptop which for days now has given very strange errors: seems it could be hardware but I can't figure out what. It boots from live usb, but with crazy graphics artefacts, even in the bios screen
[09:42] <shomon> if I plug in something to a USB slot I also get errors
[09:43] <shomon> and if I go to an external monitor, the graphics mess doesn't change
[09:43] <a_b0y> hoyt do you know a program like "make startup disk" that works for making a windows install usb?
[09:43] <Hoyt> a_b0y: definitely not working
[09:43] <MonkeyDust> MACscr  a wireless remote connection?
[09:43] <MACscr> MonkeyDust: gbit lan
[09:43] <Hoyt> a_b0y: if you really want a bootable usb installer of windows , you should consider winpe , but I never tried that
[09:43] <fsgxdroid0> hello, i have problems getting 3d to work with ubuntu 12.04, glxgears outputs following error:
[09:43] <fsgxdroid0> X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[09:43] <a_b0y> ok
[09:43] <fsgxdroid0> how can i reconfigure my graphics card?
[09:44] <diimdeep> hello, i have permission configuration issue http://serverfault.com/questions/382958/proftpd-configuration-mod-auth-file-cross-folders-with-different-rights-in-group/382968
[09:44] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: what cards do you have ?
[09:44] <fsgxdroid0> intel 3000
[09:44] <electronics-cat> o.o
[09:45] <a_b0y> there are over 10 times more people on here than on the Linux Mint help, but there are more people helping in the mint chat
[09:45] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: i think the problem is that i swapped my hdd to another machine which had radeon card
[09:45] <fsgxdroid0> and now, in my main machine the 3d won't work anymore
[09:46] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[09:46] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: i'm thinking that is there someway to start graphics driver detection again?
[09:47]  * xzcvczx wonders how long before one would get banned for making a script asking "is it out yet" every minute in here :P
[09:47] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: ok, i tried that command but it won't return nothing... should it popup some kind of dialog screen?
[09:47] <Hoyt> no
[09:48] <nina666> Hoyt: yes, here: http://pastebin.com/upteF7QH
[09:48] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: logout and login again
[09:48] <fsgxdroid0> ok
[09:48] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: maybe reboot
[09:48] <xzcvczx> or ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:49] <Ben64> xzcvczx: that doesn't work
[09:49] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: it didn't help
[09:49] <xzcvczx> wow, i am out of date
[09:49] <fsgxdroid0> same thing...
[09:49] <Ben64> fsgxdroid0: what gpu
[09:49] <fsgxdroid0> one moment
[09:49] <xzcvczx> sudo service lightdm restart?
[09:50] <Hoyt> restarting lightdm will restart X as well ?
[09:50] <f0x> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[09:50] <shomon> if I upgrade my ubuntu, my laptop won't even work...
[09:50] <shomon> so I'll just have to watch screen captures of other people's new ubuntu versions
[09:50] <f0x> released everbyody
[09:50] <shomon> "unable to enumerate usb bla bla" - what could be broken?
[09:50] <xzcvczx> Hoyt: err, should do?
[09:50] <Hoyt> xzcvczx: i don't knwo , that's why i'm asking
[09:51] <lost-man> hi
[09:51] <lost-man> 12.04 released?
[09:51] <f0x> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[09:51] <xzcvczx> Hoyt: well thats the parent process that x is running under (well was back in the gdm/xdm/kdm days
[09:51] <electronics-cat> rofl
[09:51] <LordSputnik> :P
[09:51] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: http://pastebin.com/z241a772
[09:52] <Multiply> After reinstalling grub, and rebooting, I can no longer use the server console.. It just sits there, flashing an underscore. I can however, ssh in, and stuff. Why is this?
[09:52] <lost-man> I don't see the 12.04 on the download page: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[09:52] <LordSputnik> it's not released yet :P
[09:52] <Ben64> fsgxdroid0: looks like you have the correct driver already on
[09:52] <f0x> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/
[09:52] <xzcvczx> Multiply: have you messed with the crontab?
[09:52] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: can you try *sudo service lightdm restart*
[09:52] <nitzs> so it's out on the mirrors yet?
[09:53] <xzcvczx> Multiply: err. not crontab
[09:53] <fsgxdroid0> yes, moment
[09:53] <Multiply> xzcvczx: I was about to say no xD
[09:53] <xzcvczx> Multiply: the thing that lists where to start a virtual terminal
[09:53] <xzcvczx> config file
[09:53] <LordSputnik> f0x: those iso images are from yesterday
[09:54] <Multiply> xzcvczx: I tried upgrading the system, but it failed at setting up grub, I assume. So I tried for 2 hours now, getting in, and when I finally got it right, I followed some instructions telling me to uninstall grub, and reinstall it.  Thanks.
[09:55] <xzcvczx> nah its a trap for those who don't know
[09:55] <Hoyt> nina666: you seems to be missing one package
[09:55] <Multiply> It sure is. xD
[09:55] <Multiply> But I guess most people getting to the server console knows?
[09:55] <jschall> torrents are working
[09:55] <hugol> hi i tried to install 12.04 but on boot computer freezes apparently after loading of nouveau drivers, what to do?
[09:55] <Multiply> Except, well, me. >_<
[09:55] <jschall> get on them and unlimit your upload
[09:55] <xzcvczx> Multiply: anyone who cares for multitasking does :P
[09:55] <nina666> Hoyt: yea and how I can figure out what is it...?
[09:56] <jschall> http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[09:56] <Multiply> xzcvczx: Oh well, I am forever happy for the help! :D
[09:56] <shani0610> hello guys, I have freshly intalled ubuntu 11.04 and I have installed VLC on it, but when I have a movie loaded, the system logs off automatically... why so?
[09:56] <Multiply> xzcvczx: Can't believe I spent 2 hours getting thru grub bash tho >_<
[09:56] <nitzs> jschall: i get a 404 on that link.
[09:56] <xzcvczx> Multiply: yeah grub can be fun
[09:56] <Hoyt> nina666: can you list the dpkg -l | grep linux- | grep `uname -r`
[09:57] <jschall> http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[09:57] <jschall> nitzs: oops
[09:57] <Multiply> xzcvczx: I ended up trying 3 different live CDs, to get in, and see what the /dev/sda was supposed to be.
[09:57] <peter32> Hi guys, I come from windows using excell and I would like to have a more automisable and costumisable setup for entering and retreiving data using ubuntu. What setup do you suggest I use? (I can also do some basic coding in python)
[09:57] <Hoyt> nina666: when you install kernel header for e.g 3.2.0-20 , you must install both linux-headers-3.2.0-20 and linux-headers-3.2.0-20-generic
[09:57] <Multiply> xzcvczx: When I finally got that, it took me 10 seconds to boot, from grub. >_<
[09:57] <Hoyt> nina666: otherwise you'll be missing some generated files
[09:57] <jschall> nitzs: slow to get started because it's not authorized on tracker yet
[09:57] <jschall> nitzs: but it works
[09:57] <xzcvczx> matt0572: it is a bit of a pity that the popular distros these days do not do well for teaching people the low level linux stuff
[09:58] <xzcvczx> Multiply: rather
[09:58] <LordSputnik> peter32: have you tried LibreOfficeCalc?
[09:58] <lost-man> So i can download the final from http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso ?
[09:58] <nitzs> jschall: a 404 on that as well.
[09:58] <nina666> Hoyt: oh... didnt know that, ok let me try first... thanks
[09:58] <jschall> nitzs: i tested that one
[09:58] <Shape> xzcvczx: What do you mean teaching people? What's keeping the people from learning?
[09:58] <peter32> Can I use the terminal to input data in office calc?
[09:58] <ichilton> I just downloaded that one, but there doesn't seem to be an amd64 yet..
[09:58] <peter32> the shell i mean
[09:58] <Multiply> xzcvczx: I've been using debian/ubuntu for years, but stuff like this... never. >_<
[09:59] <xzcvczx> Shape: as opposed to something nutty like gentoo :P
[09:59] <LordSputnik> It would suprise me if they're the final, they were only modified at 9:28, which is about half an hour after people officially start work...
[09:59] <mathews> shani0610, see this thread http://askubuntu.com/search?q=system+logs+off+loading+VLC
[09:59] <Hoyt> why people don't just grab the daily build ? It's almost the same
[09:59] <xzcvczx> Shape: you start off up a kind of creek without a paddle :P
[09:59] <lost-man> none care
[09:59] <Hoyt> before official release of precise
[09:59]  * ManDay mumbles "So, it has begun..."
[09:59] <peter32> LordSputnik: Can I use the shell to input data in office calc?
[09:59] <shani0610> @mathews thanks mate...
[09:59] <Hoyt> peter32: what's the office calc ?
[10:00] <lost-man> Hoyt, you Talking me ?
[10:00] <Shape> xzcvczx: If people want to learn nothing is stopping them to do so. But expecting a total noob who just installed linux to start from scratch without being able to even surf the internet or play media is a bit too elitist.
[10:00] <xzcvczx> peter32: enter in csv import into application of choice?
[10:00] <Hoyt> lost-man: i'm more like broadcasting ...
[10:00] <LordSputnik> uh not that i know of (LibreOffice Calc)
[10:00] <nina666> Hoyt: ok so this is what i get: http://pastebin.com/TGD3hgTt
[10:00] <xzcvczx> Shape: thats how i learnt it.... and it taught me a lot (a lot of which admittedly i have forgotten)
[10:00] <peter32> i mean libreoffice calc
[10:01] <lost-man> Hoyt, So http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso for standard?
[10:01] <xzcvczx> Shape: and i am more stating a fact... with gui's for everything people are less likely to dive deeper
[10:01] <Hoyt> lost-man: i guess
[10:01] <Shape> xzcvczx: Of course you will learn a lot. But the general elitist/linux view is that you have to be a car engineer to be allowed to drive a car.
[10:01] <LordSputnik> peter32: what are you trying to do with your data, and what format is it in?
[10:01] <xzcvczx> Shape: and i am not saying thats universal
[10:01] <mathews> lost-man, Pls dont post fake links and divert people from here.
[10:01] <xzcvczx> Shape: it couldn't hurt when you see someone who doesn't know how to change a tyre :P
[10:02] <xzcvczx> s/tyre/wheel/
[10:02] <peter32> Actually, I am applying for a job where I need to input data in excell. But I'd like to automise the input as much as possible
[10:02] <lost-man> mathews, Fake link? Is that fake link?
[10:02] <nimesh_accenture> i'm wondering , if I allocate memory using PMEM in Android , would i be able to access it in chrooted ubuntu?
[10:02] <smittix> heh
[10:02] <mathews> lost-man, try it and see!
[10:02] <Ben64> lost-man: it 404's, so yes
[10:03] <xzcvczx> peter32: well what form is the data in?
[10:03] <Ben64> or ... it did 404, works for me now
[10:03] <Shape> Yeah, but that's what makes society go. No person on this planet knows everything so that's why we specialize in things. If someone is a business man and does his job it would be silly to expect from him he knows what's going on in the system. He takes it for granted that others have done the checks just like when you go into an airplane you don't know anything of what's actually going on.
[10:03] <Hoyt> nina666: here's some crazy idea ,
[10:03] <Lint> ben64 it´s not 404, it´s 701MB ISO file
 :It can be in any format that excell can export
[10:03] <Ben64> it was 404
[10:03] <hayden_ru_> it isn't for me
[10:03] <lost-man> mathews, Ben64 i worked for me http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
[10:03] <mathews> lost-man, Ubuntu 12.04 not yet released.Pls wait!
[10:04] <Hoyt> nina666: you compile the vmware module yourself , and copy the .ko files to the right path, and do the depmod -a , and tell me what errors you see
[10:04] <Hoyt> right
[10:04] <Hoyt> it's out !
[10:04] <Ben64> yep, its out now
[10:04] <tarzeau_> downloading... what's the md5sum?
[10:04] <lost-man> mathews, Yeah waiting for it to see on the download page..... Dunno when
[10:04] <Hoyt> hah
[10:04] <ichilton> http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/ubuntu-releases/12.04/
[10:04] <Hoyt> I've been waiting this for hours
[10:04] <tarzeau_> Hoyt: get a life
[10:05] <Ben64> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/
[10:05] <Shape> The main page says it's still beta.
[10:05] <Hoyt> No , checkout the schedule
[10:05] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: i'm back... that "service lightdm restart" command caused crash, and desktop didn't appared .... i managed to restart my system by goint to another termina l(CTRL+ALT+F1) and restart my system manually
[10:05] <lost-man> Shape, Yeah
[10:05] <Hoyt> features are already freezed
[10:05] <mathews> lost-man, Yeah, we all waiting to download it but dont like to see the 404 error!
[10:05] <xzcvczx> Shape: meh i give up arguing with you as i agree with what you are saying. but as they say "a little knowledge can be dangerous" esspecially when you do "r{insert corect character here} -rf /" when you meant to do "r{insert correct character here} -rf ." (which i have done once by accident)
[10:05] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: so your desktop doesn't start anymore ?
[10:06] <hayden_ru_> there is no release on russian mirror though
[10:06] <vuth_> hi
[10:06] <fsgxdroid0> after restarting machine the desktop appared
[10:06] <lost-man> When you brows http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso you get 404 ?
[10:06] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: how about glxgears ?
[10:06] <zyxd> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/
[10:06] <vuth_> i thought ubuntu 12.10 is being released today
[10:06] <vuth_> i go to website and shows only 12.04 Beta
[10:06] <tarzeau_> vuth_: that'll happen 6 months later
[10:06] <xzcvczx> vuth_: thats october
[10:06] <l3d> how would i get  a theme i downloaded to work?
[10:06] <xzcvczx> vuth_: 12 = year 04 = month
[10:07] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: glxgears -> http://pastebin.com/NBr233gK
[10:07] <xzcvczx> hence 12.04 = april 2012
[10:07] <vuth_> ohh..wow i never knewthat lol
[10:07] <xzcvczx> and 12.10 = october 2012
[10:07] <hayden_ru_> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/12.04/
[10:07] <vuth_> thats awesome..but 12.04 is only beta?
[10:07] <RiMMER> http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[10:07] <RiMMER> 12.04 OUT
[10:07] <hayden_ru_> US mirror has it
[10:07] <Myrtti> please don't post links, it's not out yet.
[10:07] <LordSputnik> vuth_: i only realised it yesterday
[10:07] <Myrtti> RiMMER: that includes you
[10:07] <walidvb_> hi, i'm having a hard time activating direct rendering for my nvidia gt430. I edited xorg.conf with load "dri"
[10:07] <vuth_> thanks rimmer
[10:07] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: let's check the log in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:07] <yaroyaro> it will be out when the irc topic changes and the md5 are released
[10:07] <mathews> l3d, simply drag and drop the theme file to the theme window or follow the "how to install" file inside the theme folder.
[10:07] <irenicus09> hi when I make search google always shows me the localized version of google instead of english..how can I permanently make google english as default preferences?
[10:08] <lpq> hi, hopefully someone can help me
[10:08] <l3d> ty
[10:08] <Myrtti> !party
[10:08] <tero> irenicus09 www.google.com/ncr
[10:08] <lpq> i have a broken ubuntu installation
[10:08] <shomon> irenicus09, you can use duckduckgo to get a non filterbubbled internet
[10:08] <hugol> !Precise
[10:08] <xzcvczx> lpq: what happend that caused the broken installation?
[10:08] <lpq> uninstalled nvidia drivers
[10:08] <vuth_> if i installed 1204 final beta and when the final release is out will i have to download again? or will it update to final release for me?
[10:09] <lpq> then it hosed the system
[10:09] <xzcvczx> lpq: #define hosed
[10:09] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: http://pastebin.com/7AcG8eJZ
[10:09] <shomon> I asked before but got cut off: I have a laptop that shows lots of random graphics artefacts on boot and in the bios, on external monitors and if you bend the keyboard even...
[10:09] <lpq> i boot into ubuntu, the os immediately goes into powersave mode
[10:09] <Hoyt> hey , why no one read the release schedule ? in the last few days , only things like kernel / translation can suffer to change a lot
[10:09] <shomon> and if Iplug in usb it can't numerate it.
[10:09] <lpq> if i attempt to boot using recovery mode, the same result
[10:09] <mathews> irenicus09, there is an option below the search box as Google.com in English"
[10:09] <xzcvczx> lpq: laptop or?
[10:09] <shomon> what could be wrong with it? is it time for a new graphics card, or could it be some kind of other thing?
[10:10] <lpq> ubuntu boots in recovery, immediately goes into power save
[10:10] <lpq> xzcvczx, no, not a laptop
[10:10] <yassu> hi
[10:10] <xzcvczx> lpq: and i assume its not wakable?
[10:10] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: here (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols.
[10:10] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: your opengl library is corrupted , i guess
[10:10] <fsgxdroid0> alright
 hi
[10:11] <mathews> lpq, include as many details as possible in ur post
[10:11] <xzcvczx> lpq: or do you man that the monitor goes into powersave?
[10:11] <yassu> wat time is 12.04 comin out?
[10:11] <Ben64> fsgxdroid0: start up "jockey-gtk"
[10:11] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: do i need to recompile it or just using apt-get to reinstall?
[10:11] <lpq> xzcvczx, no user input will wake the screen
[10:11] <xzcvczx> yassu: when its ready
[10:11] <Myrtti> yassu: "today"
[10:11] <Shape> yassu http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[10:11] <lpq> mouse, keyboard, nothing
[10:11] <shomon> maybe something shuold go in the topic about that
[10:11] <fsgxdroid0> Ben64: it says no drivers available for my system
[10:12] <xzcvczx> lpq: have you got a ubuntu cd handy?
[10:12] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: i don't know , did you installed any binary driver , e.g fglrx (ATI's) or nvidia's ?
[10:12] <lpq> yes
[10:12] <nitzs> shomon: what do you mean by numerate?
[10:12] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: yes
[10:13] <mathews> shomon, ur post missing many details....describe it well with version too
[10:13] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: probably, i need to get rid of those drivers from my system, but i don't know how
[10:13] <xzcvczx> Multiply: another hint if you didn't know for using the multiterm... from your gui you can use ctrl-alt-f1 through f6 typically and f7 will take you abck to your gui, if not keep trying higher f keys until you return to gui
[10:13] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: remove it , that's what caused your opengl library mismatch
[10:13] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: you don't have cards other than intel's right?
[10:13] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: yep
[10:13] <Ben64> fsgxdroid0: what card did you have before
[10:14] <MonkeyDust> Multiply  or uee ctrl arrow left to return to the gui
 hi
[10:14] <DYSW> Any ideas on how lts will be released ?
[10:14] <fsgxdroid0> ATI radeon
[10:14] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: apt-get purge fglrx-*
[10:14] <Ben64> DYSW: already is
[10:14] <xzcvczx> MonkeyDust: or ctrl-arrow right (multiple times) :P
[10:14] <MonkeyDust> DYSW  it's not out yet
[10:14] <xzcvczx> DYSW: when its ready
 do you have a questions?
[10:14] <fsgxdroid0> The following packages will be REMOVED:  fglrx* fglrx-amdcccle* fglrx-updates*
[10:14] <lpq> xzcvczx, yes i have a lived cd
[10:15] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: ill try restart now : )
[10:15] <DYSW> xzcvczx: Sure, but since the date is set for today, i kind of figured they had a hourly target as well.
[10:15] <MACscr> is autostart not available in ubuntu anymore? want a very simple way to run a particular command on boot that will run as the user
[10:15] <MACscr> rc.local runs as root
[10:15] <xzcvczx> DYSW: well today actually has almost 48 hours so by the 48th hour :)
[10:15] <yassu> yvy: yes
[10:16] <MonkeyDust> xzcvczx  may depend on the timezone ;)
[10:16] <Shape> if it's not out then what the hell is this? releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
 let`s start!
[10:16] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: THANK YOU!!! : )
[10:16] <nina666> Hoyt: ok... im afraid i need a little more help on how to do that...
[10:16] <pawdro> great release timing: 12:04 :)
[10:16] <DYSW> xzcvczx: LoL Only 24 hours here. No rush so lets see what happens. Using arch mainly so its mostly just for fun
[10:16] <xzcvczx> MonkeyDust: yeah but thats the typical response by most open source thinks i believe, that will just be vague as to what timezone its in
[10:17] <DYSW> pawdro: That would make sense
[10:17] <Hoyt> nina666: i'll try give you a script , did you use Vmware workstation 8 ?
[10:17] <xzcvczx> DYSW: well theres only 1hr and 43mins of the 26th left here but i doubt it will be out before out 27th
[10:17] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: worked ?
[10:17] <tarzeau_> are these right? 128f0c16f4734c420b0185a492d92e52  ubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso and d791352694374f1c478779f7f4447a3f  ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso ?
[10:17] <nina666> Hoyt: thanks, and no, its vmware player..
[10:17] <Ben64> xzcvczx: its out already
[10:17] <Hoyt> nina666: what version ?
[10:17] <Myrtti> Ben64: it's not.
[10:17] <m0rtal> is it out
[10:17] <Ben64> it is.
[10:17] <aditya> it's not officially out the servers are being updated so be patient
[10:18] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: indeed - it works perfectly now :)
[10:18] <xzcvczx> Ben64: i will wait for the topic and md5sums to be released
[10:18] <Hoyt> fsgxdroid0: glad to hear
[10:18] <DYSW> Ben64: We are talking 12.04 not 10.04
[10:18] <Hoyt> Yeah , it's so slow out of US
[10:18] <xzcvczx> Ben64: as you get a free gift if you wait until its official
[10:18] <Ben64> irc topic is not indicative of a release
[10:18] <MonkeyDust> Ben64  use sudo d-release-upgrade to find out if it's out or not
[10:18] <Myrtti> Ben64: actually, there is no email on the release mailing list, so it's not. Stop saying it is.
[10:18] <vuth_> hi...does Gnome, Unity, KDE...do the same this? they are all launcher application? you can have one or the other only installed?
[10:18] <MonkeyDust> Ben64  use sudo do-release-upgrade to find out if it's out or not
[10:18] <Hoyt> I had to wait for the mirror
[10:18] <Ben64> i'm seeding it on my server.
[10:18] <vuth_> *this = thing
[10:18] <Ben64> it is out.
[10:18] <yassu> yvy: when is 12.04 comig out?
[10:18] <Myrtti> Ben64: so, it's not out, stop saying it is.
[10:18] <Ben64> it's out
[10:18] <tarzeau_> vuth_: you can have all installed
[10:18] <nina666> Hoyt: VMware-Player-4.0.2-591240.x86_64.bundle
[10:18] <SunTsu> I really don't understand the rush for 12.04 - either wait or install current pre-release and update to release
[10:18] <aditya> it is more prudent to wait for the md5
[10:18] <Shape> xzcvczx: What free gift??!
[10:19] <tarzeau_> vuth_: but usually just run one of them
[10:19] <Ben64> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/
[10:19] <Ben64> it is out
[10:19] <vega-> always the same ridiculous "it is out!" "no it's not" "yes, it is" debate :)
[10:19] <xzcvczx> Shape: you will have to wait and see :)
[10:19] <Ben64> kick me all you want
[10:19] <DYSW> yassu: within 48 hours apperently
[10:19] <vuth_> they are all Launchers correct?
[10:19] <ikonia> Ben64: please, come on, stop it
[10:19] <tarzeau_> SunTsu: upgrades are messy, if you need to do 10+
[10:19] <Myrtti> Ben64: next one will be with a ban, since it's not out yet.
[10:19] <dataviruset> it's out :DD
[10:19] <nitzs> Ben64: yes. i'm downloading it right now.
[10:19] <Ben64> read the page i linked
[10:19] <DYSW> Well he is right.
[10:19] <DYSW> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
[10:19] <LjL> Ben64: it's not been announced, and anyway take this to #ubuntu-release-party, it doesn't belong here
[10:20] <m0rtal> in my country its nearly the 27th
[10:20] <Ben64> its on ubuntu.com!
[10:20] <vuth_> yassu= 12.04 is in Final Beta
[10:20] <Shape> xzcvczx: free gift if you buy it? or just download?
[10:20] <fsgxdroid0> Hoyt: as a user, i was just expecting that software figures out which hardware is currently used in my system... dude, ty again : )
[10:20] <Stanley00> not now Ben64
[10:20] <Ben64> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/
[10:20] <yassu> vuth_, its out its out! :) see http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/
[10:20] <lost-man> wget -c http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
[10:20] <LjL> sigh
[10:20] <yassu> yippee
[10:20] <LjL> next one who says it's out or posts a link gets a ban
[10:20] <m0rtal> when will 12.10 be out?
[10:20] <yassu> :D
[10:20] <vuth_> YAY
[10:20] <vuth_> thank u!!
[10:20] <yassu> m0rtal, lolz
[10:20] <nitzs> hahahaha
[10:21] <Ben64> whats with the power tripping and ignorance
[10:21] <xzcvczx> Shape: download it
[10:21] <yassu> LjL, why?
[10:21] <vuth_> but i need the usb installation :(
[10:21] <nitzs> Ben64: if you think it's out, just go and download it. people would download when they want to.
[10:21] <SunTsu> tarzeau_: I'm talking fresh installation, doing it with current pre-release and upgrade it to release should go quite smooth
[10:21] <LjL> #UBUNTU IS A SUPPORT CHANNEL - take this to #ubuntu-release-party or #ubuntu-offtopic - anything that's not Ubuntu technical support doesn't belong here. clear enough?
[10:22] <yassu> can't find my fav lubuntu :(
[10:22] <ezoe> m0rtal: planned Oct 18th according to this. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=QReleaseSchedul
[10:22] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[10:22] <m0rtal> ezoe, thanx
[10:22] <mathews> lost-man, it works it terminal but not sure about is it beta or the release.
[10:23] <ThePendulum> I am running Ubuntu 12.04 on a dualscreen set-up. I was wondering if it's possible to have the panel items (notifications, time, auth, etc.) only on one screen, rather than both
[10:23] <Myrtti> ThePendulum: you're on the wrong channel for that
[10:23] <xzcvczx> ThePendulum: #ubuntu+1
[10:24] <ThePendulum> Oh, oke
[10:24] <ThePendulum> It's not really a specific 12.04 issue though, but okay
[10:24] <lost-man> mathews, That is why i am also worry to download it... But If it is beta then should name ubuntu-beta or like that... anyway
[10:25] <paulus68> ThePendulum: when you run on 12.04 it is
[10:25] <Ben64> ThePendulum: don't talk about 12.04 in here until the topic changes or people get mad at you
[10:25] <ThePendulum> Okay, okay, calm
[10:25] <bububuntu> 1 Q? if i have installed ubuntu can i use aptitude  install xubuntu-desktop and all sys settings stil are same ?
[10:25] <LjL> Ben64: no need to jump at them, they've been informed, they know now, they said "ok". if you have grudges with the rules, take them to #ubuntu-ops
[10:26] <Ben64> what rules? 12.04 is out but a few people don't want to acknowledge that fact
[10:26] <lcc> is there an ubuntu thai flavor I can download?
[10:26] <lcc> with all text in thai.
[10:27] <djbenny> lcc: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage
[10:27] <MonkeyDust> lcc  try the language package
[10:27] <peto_> buenas
[10:27] <lcc> thanks
[10:27] <vuth_> please dont ban ben64..he is actually very helpful
[10:27] <elky> ben64_, there have been several occurrances of respins on release day at a later stage in the day than this.
[10:28] <paulus68> !es |peto_
[10:29] <peto_> ubottu, I see, I will stay here too, thks
[10:29] <LjL> vuth_: i'm sure, but he's not helpful when he fills the channel with "it's out". it's up to him now whether or not he'll be unbanned shortly.
[10:29] <peto_> ubottu, hehe
[10:29] <sindhiBhai> what is the expected release date of ubuntu 12.04.. ?
[10:29] <killer> 26 april
[10:29] <peto_> sindhiBhai, today
[10:29] <killer> utc time
[10:29] <sindhiBhai> k.. thx :)
[10:30] <peto_> today at 21:30 UTC
[10:30] <bububuntu> how much hdd use ubuntu default install ?
[10:30] <sindhiBhai> eagerly waiting :)
[10:30] <djbenny> bububuntu, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[10:30] <vuth_> thnx u u djbenny i was seraching for that
[10:31] <djbenny> vuth_,  no problem
[10:32] <lpq> xzcvczx, ?
[10:32] <bububuntu> "15 GB of hard-drive space " shaise i hve only 10 GB
[10:32] <sindhiBhai> well u could do well with 5-10gb
[10:32] <djbenny> bububuntu, it wont require 15gb to be honest...
[10:32] <ciastek> sindhiBhai: http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[10:33] <lpq> anyone able to help with repairing a broken ubuntu install
[10:33] <bububuntu> djbenny: thats why i ask how much is default install ? :)
[10:33] <sindhiBhai> thx ciastek :)
[10:33] <acicula> bububuntu: it depends, the minimal is about 1GB, the default is a few GB at best
[10:33] <bububuntu> 15 gigs are for all packages
[10:34] <staaffy> yeahy, Thats the final release?
[10:34] <acicula> bububuntu: well you need space to put things and games like nexuiz or other graphical things can take quite some space, but those do not get installed by default
[10:35] <nitzs> bububuntu: i've installed ubuntu in 3gb partitions on numerous occasions.
[10:35] <Myrtti> !party
[10:35] <Myrtti> ciastek: please don't post links as it's not released yet and it's not final until the release manager sends out an email.
[10:35] <bububuntu> nitzs: thxx i make one 8 gigs partition and run !
[10:36] <nitzs> bububuntu: yes. an 8gb partition will be quite enough if you won't install many games and stuff.
[10:36] <djbenny> how do i force a distribution upgrade?
[10:37] <ikonia> djbenny: to what ?
[10:37] <gorski> !Precise
[10:37] <djbenny> from 12.04 Beta to final?
[10:37] <bububuntu> nitzs: no games nothing extra by default . system only for surfing !
[10:37] <ikonia> djbenny: when final is released updates will filter down like normal
[10:37] <acicula> djbenny: apt-get dist-upgrade should do it
[10:37] <DJones> !final | djbenny
[10:37] <jiltdil> What is the exact time for release of ubuntu 12.04
[10:37] <ikonia> jiltdil: there isn't one
[10:37] <djbenny> ikonia, acicula cheers
[10:38] <ikonia> djbenny: just hang on for the release, and then you'll see updates offered, and that's how you'll get updated
[10:38] <jiltdil> ikonia,  Any guess ?? After one hour?
[10:38] <ikonia> djbenny: just like a normal day "10 updates to download etc"
[10:38] <ikonia> jiltdil: there is no set time so you can't guess
[10:38] <jiltdil> ikonia, ok
[10:38] <ikonia> jiltdil: just wait patiently
[10:38] <djbenny> ikonia, ok cheers thats what i thought but just wanted to check
[10:38] <nitzs> jiltdil: some guys are mentioning that it has already been released. so check it out yourself.
[10:38] <ikonia> nitzs: it's not out
[10:39] <keniiiii> hi guys supp
[10:39] <ikonia> jiltdil: please wait for the release announcment
[10:39] <vuth_> hi hi hi
[10:39] <acicula> nitzs: yeah dist-upgrade set my release to precise instead of experimental yesterday
[10:39] <Zeny> Hey
[10:39] <ikonia> jiltdil: that way you will get a confirmed solid released product
[10:39] <jiltdil> ikonia,ok i am tryiong to be in patient, so much excited
[10:40] <ikonia> jiltdil: I understand, but if you want the right software, wait for the release to be announced so you can be confident
[10:40] <nitzs> ikonia: they probabaly are waiting for all the mirrors to sync. the release annocement will be after that.
[10:40] <djbenny> also, is there a way to find out redundant packages and sweep them away?
[10:40] <ikonia> nitzs: waiting for many things to be setup
[10:40] <jiltdil> ikonia, Thanks
[10:40] <ikonia> djbenny: that should happen on it's own
[10:40] <djbenny> ikonia, but i upgraded the kernel recently and the old one remained on the system
[10:41] <ikonia> djbenny: yes, you will always have at least current -1
[10:41] <ikonia> djbenny: a fall back kernel is part of the upgrade process on the kernel
[10:41] <Zeny> Is there any expected release time? Maybe based on previously releases..
[10:41] <djbenny> ikonia, ok makes sense
[10:41] <ikonia> Zeny: no, there is not
[10:41] <Zeny> okay ty
[10:43] <tero> this is not an ubuntu question but, is it possible from windows to acces a hdd with ubuntu installed?
[10:44] <jiltdil> http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[10:44] <sindhiBhai> tero yes..
[10:44] <Queops> tero, pratical answer is no
[10:44] <jiltdil> Here is the the download link http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[10:44] <ikonia> tero: the guys in ##windows can help
[10:44] <Yaklyan> tero: http://www.fs-driver.org/
[10:44] <neL> tero: there are softwares which can access ext2/ext4 filesystems
[10:45] <Queops> Yeh i was gonna say I only saw ext2 one.
[10:45] <nitzs> neL: are the ext4 drivers stable?
[10:45] <Yaklyan> ext2 reading software works on ext3
[10:45] <Yaklyan> Haven't seen ext4 for windows though
[10:45] <neL> nitzs: I am not sure but the last time I checked, it wasn't
[10:45] <munim__> Ubuntu 12.04? Are we there yet?
[10:46] <azhag> hello
[10:46] <ikonia> munim__: no
[10:46] <neL> nitzs: There have been numerous reports of data loss or corruption
[10:46] <AndyUbuntu> Morning Ubuntu users
[10:46] <nitzs> tero: you proabably should write stuff meant to be shared between windows and uuntu on a NTFS partition.
[10:46] <AndyUbuntu> sure this question has been asked many times today
[10:46] <AndyUbuntu> :p
[10:46] <ikonia> AndyUbuntu: then don't ask it
[10:47] <nitzs> haha
[10:47] <AndyUbuntu> lol, the legendary ikonia :p
[10:47] <mwally_> does anyone have any idea what time 12.04 will release?
[10:47] <ikonia> mwally_: there is no set time
[10:47] <neL> tero: what nitzs said! ntfs-3g is really stable now
[10:47] <mwally_> ikonia: i take it youve been getting this question a lot.  Thanks :)
[10:47] <AndyUbuntu> lol, knew the answer would be soon
[10:47] <AndyUbuntu> lol
[10:48] <ikonia> guys, visit www.ubuntu.com - when it's release, you'll see it on the main web page
[10:48] <ikonia> apply some common sense
[10:48] <mwally_> but I want it now!  <g>  (sorry)
[10:48] <MonkeyDust> or use do-release-upgrade in a terminal and see what it return
[10:48] <AndyUbuntu> prob best wait till tomorrow
[10:48] <jiltdil> ikonia: why u banned me?
[10:48] <ikonia> MonkeyDust: NO
[10:49] <AndyUbuntu> says its out today, will take a while though, always does
[10:49] <neL> MonkeyDust: it will break things horribly. You can downgrade OS once the upgrade process has started
[10:49] <neL> *can't downgrade
[10:49] <ikonia> It will get released at some point today, just wait
[10:50] <MonkeyDust> neL  ikonia tnx for the warning, glad nothing irreversible happened
[10:50] <AndyUbuntu> has anyone started using 12.04 yet and if so would it be stable to use consistently?
[10:50] <munim_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ shows the downloads.. its not saying beta there.
[10:50] <Guest8793> Yes I use it everyday for a few weeks now
[10:50] <munim_> does is mean its out?
[10:50] <ikonia> AndyUbuntu: the feedback from the beta released has been positive.
[10:50] <nitzs> neL: you sound like it's updating to skynet. ;)
[10:51] <neL> lol
[10:51] <AndyUbuntu> excellent, great to hear thanks :) Always causious about the day of release
[10:52] <vuth_> sorry ikonia i sent the PM to wrong person
[10:52] <Zwiebelmus> ikonia seems to have sand in his/her vagina :-D
[10:52] <ikonia> Zwiebelmus: unacceptable - stop now, this is your only warning
[10:52] <yellabs-r2> hi there
[10:52] <neL> Zwiebelmus:  This sure doesn't look like ubuntu talk
[10:53] <yellabs-r2> is there an package for java runtime on 12.04 ?
[10:53] <munim_> wow. sorry man. you didn't need to kick me. just clarifying why its on the releases page
[10:53] <vuth_> can someone send me the offical Ubuntu - Low system requirement version link
[10:53] <vuth_> i know there is one..i think it is the LIGHT version
[10:53] <christhisisgool> yellabs-r2: do apt-cache search <package name>
[10:53] <mvineetmenon> which is release party channel?
[10:54] <christhisisgool> mvineetmenon: #ubuntu+1
[10:54] <fairuz> mvineetmenon: #ubuntu-release-party
[10:54] <mvineetmenon> fairuz thx
[10:54] <christhisisgool> oops
[10:54] <IWorld> Hi
[10:54] <christhisisgool> didnt realize there was an actual release party channel
[10:55] <IWorld> I've a quick questoion: when does release Ubuntu 12.04 LTS? 12:00 UTC?
[10:55] <IWorld> *question
[10:55] <ikonia> IWorld: no set time
[10:55] <IWorld> but today?
[10:55] <Yaklyan> !party
[10:56] <Guest8793> exit
[10:56] <neL> Can channel OP please change the channel title to accommodate the release time ?
[10:56] <ikonia> neL: there isn't a release time
[10:56] <IWorld> I love Ubuntu :-)
[10:56] <neL> Then put a "please don't panic. It will come soon"
[10:56] <neL> something of that sort
[10:56] <nitzs> the announcement will be put up any moment now.
[10:56] <ikonia> no-one reads the topic as you can see,
[10:57] <ikonia> nitzs: final warning - you don't know when it will be released, so don't suggest it will be any moment
[10:57]  * IWorld is excited
[10:57] <sk1special> is the plus one channel dead? cant get to it
[10:57] <ikonia> sk1special: nope, still there and working
[10:57] <neL> I see. Whenever the person doing ubuntu.com finishes with homepage, it will be released :D
[10:58] <AndyUbuntu> lol
[10:58] <sk1special> damn it. so. i was using xwinwrap to run a screensaver as my background..
[10:58] <sk1special> and there was this random box named dnd file i think..so of course i just close it.. was like eh whatever..
[10:59] <sk1special> then it force restarted me and now my menus look like there from windows 98 and my admin password to change settings doesnt work..
[10:59] <sk1special> and im getting this message in the terminal xlib extension RANDR missing
[10:59] <sly> Least it looks like one of the bettwe windows releases :)
[11:00] <AndyUbuntu> ok, so thought I would ask a poll. What is your preferred way to upgrade? 1. From repo 2. From iso as upgrade or 3. Fresh install ?
[11:00] <ikonia> please don't take a poll
[11:00] <lpq> anyone able to help with repairing a broken ubuntu install?
[11:00] <Duke_13> poll spam
[11:00] <AndyUbuntu> just curious
[11:00] <Shape> This is a support channel.
[11:00] <ikonia> AndyUbuntu: it doesn't matter what the poll output is
[11:00] <Duke_13> exit
[11:00] <christhisisgool> lpq: what is the problem?
[11:01] <AndyUbuntu> ok, doesnt matter. would just be interesting
[11:01] <Naemdar> Anyone know where to get drivers for a my passport drive?
[11:02] <lpq> christhisisgool, uninstalled nvidia drivers, rebooted, now the system immediately enters into powersave mode for the monitor after entering a passphrase
[11:02] <ikonia> Naemdar: shouldn't need any
[11:02] <neL> Naemdar: it should not need any
[11:02] <lpq> i've tried booting into recovery mode through grub, makes no difference
[11:02] <neL> all the filesystems are rw on linux
[11:03] <Naemdar> It won't mount for some reason.  and its in fat32 perhaps changing the file format?
[11:03] <christhisisgool> lpq: while i will admit that nvidia drivers are not my specialty, maybe either adding a user that is in a different group or upgrading the kernel would help?
[11:03] <lpq> i've tried using a live-cd, swapped xorg.conf with xorg.conf.failsafe, reboot and the os still enters into a powersave mode
[11:04] <lpq> upgrading the kernel might have caused this mess to begin with, that or the recent nvidia update about 10 days ago
[11:05] <tc_busy> can any one tell how to configure gui in tinycore
[11:05] <Naemdar> Or would ntfs be better, I see the ntfs volumes when I go looking for hard drives.  Just not going to torrent files to it as its my windows and game drive.
[11:06] <sly> Naemdar , why would you want in it fat32 anyway ? Ntfs is pretty widely supported........
[11:07] <nitzs> Naemdar: NTFS is the best option if you want r/w support in both linux and windows.
[11:07] <tc_busy> can any one tell how to configure gui in tinycore
[11:07] <Naemdar> Last linux I used was lindows and it didn't support ntfs.
[11:07] <Naemdar> So will redo the volume under windows as ntfs my thanks.
[11:08] <Arnold> Naemdar, I think that distro is quite old. I mean back then sure, NTFS support for Linux wasn't complete, and above all, it was read-only
[11:08] <Arnold> Thanks to NTFS-3G, you can mount your NTFS partition with read and write support and get it working just fine
[11:10] <Naemdar> I appreciate it.  learned something new today.  Linux isn't as scary as it used to be.
[11:10] <Naemdar> I decided to go dual boot and use linux as my torrent os.
[11:10] <Shape> Naemdar: You'd be surprized how much it changed and how much support it offers.
[11:11] <tc_busy> i booted from my live usb tinycore4.4 but is like terminal can anyone help me to configure it to gui mode
[11:11] <MonkeyDust> Naemdar  a friend of mine is more at ease with pcs, now i repaired his win pc with linux
[11:11] <Shape> Naemdar: I installed Red Hat loooong time ago and couldn't do anything in it. And now I don't even need Windows at all.
[11:11] <Rurd2di> so when will 12 be on mirrors
[11:11] <tc_busy> i booted from my live usb tinycore4.4 but is like terminal can anyone help me to configure it to gui mode
[11:12] <Naemdar> Unity reminds me a lot of osx which I am very comfortable with.  I still need windows for gaming and such but I think I will stick to ubuntu for browsing and such.
[11:12] <Shape> !cinnamon
[11:12] <nitzs> tc_busy: this isn't a support channel for Tiny Core Linux.
[11:12] <salmankhan> is ubuntu 12.04 released yet?
[11:12] <nitzs> sallu?
[11:12] <tc_busy> nitzs: can guide me to one
[11:13] <Rurd2di> salmankhan: seems so
[11:13] <Rurd2di> its on nz ftp
[11:13] <SteveBell> @Rurd2di, how can I update from with 11.10?
[11:13] <Naemdar> Will probably be in here a lot when I start sorting the ati 5770 driver issue but that was back burner to the usb hd.
[11:13] <tc_busy> nitzs: Rurd2di like???i dont understand
[11:13] <paulus68> !release|salmankhan
[11:14] <Rurd2di> SteveBell: i dont think they have enabled that yet
[11:14] <Rurd2di> that will be tomorrow sometime
[11:14] <nitzs> tc_busy: try #tinycorelinux
[11:14] <SteveBell> ah ok...
[11:14] <Rurd2di> i havent been notifed on any of my boxes yet
[11:14] <tc_busy> thanks nitzs
[11:15] <subdesign> so no 12.04 is out?
[11:15] <tc_busy> nitzs: no ones responding but thanks a lot
[11:16] <Rurd2di> wahoo
[11:16] <Rurd2di> im leechin all the new iso's
[11:16] <Rurd2di> :D
[11:16] <subdesign> Rurd2di, is out?
[11:17] <Rurd2di> it is here
[11:17] <Rurd2di> its on the nz ftp mirror
[11:17] <subdesign> ok i check ftp
[11:17] <Rurd2di> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin)
[11:17] <Rurd2di> dont use nz
[11:17] <vuth_> what do you mean Rurd2di
[11:17] <Rurd2di> im using it
[11:18] <Rurd2di> :P
[11:18] <tc_busy> Rurd2di: can you help me to get there nz ftp mirror i dont how to
[11:18] <nitzs> here is a list of mirrors: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[11:18] <bhaisahab> guys I'm eagerly waiting to do a dist-upgrade.... when is it going live?
[11:19] <Rurd2di> bhaisahab:next few hours i guess
[11:19] <tc_busy> bhaisahab i booted from my live usb tinycore4.4 but is like terminal can anyone help me to configure it to gui mode
[11:19] <Rurd2di> isos are out
[11:19] <cba123> Don't they push it back 20 minutes everytime someone asks?  Or is that not done anymore?
[11:19] <SteveBell> @Rurd2di how would I update my existing 11.10 virtual machine from the isos?
[11:19] <Rurd2di> vuth_: im getting of the nz ftp mirror
[11:19] <Rurd2di> SteveBell: you cant yet
[11:20] <Rurd2di> wait till the release the dist-upgrade