[13:50] <InHisName> Good Morning all
[13:51] <InHisName> Hey did any of you get a VirtaPay.com account ?   Have some VirtaPay credits to spend.
[14:21] <andrew> morning
[14:21] <ssweeny> morning andrew
[14:21] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[14:25] <teddy-dbear> morning
[14:26] <teddy-dbear> o/
[14:29] <InHisName> Their site is up and buying and selling has begun.
[14:30] <InHisName> The Bacon-izer isn't awake yet.
[14:58] <InHisName> I am slowly getting the hang of Unity.
[14:59] <InHisName> Except the pulldowns of an app are harder to get to:
[15:00] <InHisName> I found them in full screen mode at top  of screen.
[15:01] <InHisName> Just by hovering over to right of window title in top bar.
[15:01] <InHisName> The hovering over top bar of screen for reduced window works too.
[15:03] <InHisName> Great!    Now not to much inconvieniance to using Unity over regular.
[15:04] <InHisName> Now Ive 'anchored' terminal and pidgin in unity bar, but needing 2nd terminal and clicking term button only goes back to 1st one.
[15:04] <InHisName> Still gotta open upper left "    " space to open apps and call on terminal for 2nd one to run.
[15:09] <InHisName> So what are YOUR happy and sad parts of Unity ?
[15:10] <teddy-dbear> :P
[15:11] <InHisName> If you're going to 'raspberry' then give details, teddy-dbear
[15:11] <teddy-dbear> it no worky :-/
[15:12] <teddy-dbear> 11.04 broke wireless on one laptop
[15:13] <teddy-dbear> can't get nvidia drivers to work on 2 laptops
[15:14] <teddy-dbear> network manager is broken on the oldest Dell
[15:14] <InHisName> switching to 'regular' fixes all of that ?
[15:14] <teddy-dbear> not a good version for me
[15:15] <teddy-dbear> no
[15:15] <teddy-dbear> it's the version
[15:15] <teddy-dbear> 2 laptops can' even run Unity
[15:15] <InHisName> then regress back to 10.10
[15:16] <teddy-dbear> I'll stay with classic for now
[15:17] <InHisName> One of my machines wants classic too.  Video card too dumb to do any more than that.
[15:17] <teddy-dbear> the battery is dying on the home box
[15:17] <teddy-dbear> it will have to be replaced sooner or later
[15:17] <InHisName> home box =? the old fancy brown covered laptop ?
[15:17] <teddy-dbear> no
[15:18] <teddy-dbear> that is my old one
[15:18] <teddy-dbear> the one that traveled
[15:18] <teddy-dbear> the home one han't been out and about for at least 3 1/2 years
[15:19] <InHisName> a newer laptop ?   its battery going bye-bye where the old machine still running on battery just fine ?
[15:19] <teddy-dbear> yep
[15:19] <teddy-dbear> plus I good use more hard drive space
[15:20] <teddy-dbear> it only has 160 gigs
[15:20] <InHisName> Some laptops can run with no battery but with charger plugged in.   Not your case I assume.
[15:20] <teddy-dbear> ok for now
[15:20] <teddy-dbear> works fine plued in
[15:20] <teddy-dbear> plugged
[15:21] <teddy-dbear> just can't move around with it
[15:21] <teddy-dbear> at least not for long
[15:21] <teddy-dbear> and no wireless
[15:21] <teddy-dbear> it is now a desktop
[15:21] <InHisName> teddy-dbear: can you go to - http://www.sias.us/mathdril.htm  and tell me the count of US flag ?
[15:21] <PennBot> Title: New Page 1 (at www.sias.us)
[15:23] <teddy-dbear> 2
[15:24] <InHisName> Ok thanks for checking.   So It will increase with more IPs logging in.
[15:25] <teddy-dbear> prolly
[19:37] <InHisName> Good AfterNoon! who's awake NOW ?
[19:38] <JonathanD> No one.
[19:41]  * InHisName yawns, longing for a nap too.
[20:10]  * rhpot1991 wishes he could nap
[20:17]  * ChinnoDog hits rhpot1991 over the head with a baseball bat
[20:20]  * ssweeny wishes he could nap without the threat of violence
[20:22]  * InHisName went searching for some ritalin to end this maddening urge to nap.
[20:23] <rhpot1991> I think my work would discourage both the napping and the violence
[20:24] <InHisName> r u a brain surgeon ?
[20:25] <ChinnoDog> You wished you could nap. I made sure you could.
[20:26] <rhpot1991> s/brain/bad .net code/ and then maybe
[20:31] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog should be ChinnoFairy or ChinnoGenie for all the wishes he grants
[20:32] <ssweeny> could go old-school with ChinnoDjinn
[20:33] <rhpot1991> the chinnofairy is here to grant you a wish with its wish bat
[20:49]  * teddy-dbear stays away from ChinnoDog
[20:50] <teddy-dbear> I don't need my stuffing knocked out :'(
[20:52] <ChinnoDog> lol
[20:52] <ChinnoDog> wish_bat++
[20:54] <n2diy> Can I mix and match Ext 3 and Ext 4 file systems? I building a test/backup box, and I was thinking of formatting it Ext 4, but my main box is using Ext 3?
[20:55]  * InHisName thinks he has ext3, ext4, and lvm all running on same spindle.
[21:06] <teddy-dbear> time for this teddy bear to go
[21:14] <n2diy> I'm building a test box with a SATA 160g hard drive. I can't set the boot flag on the drive, it is an OEM drive that has WIN NT, and XP on it, and it won't boot those, ideas?
[21:16] <InHisName> I usually can set boot flag from gparted.   Strange that you cannot.
[21:16] <InHisName> Of course the boot tracks need to be good or it wont boot.
[21:17] <n2diy> InHisName, roger that, I can't even format it, but let me try formatting it without the boot flag set, and see what happens?
[21:18] <InHisName> If you don't care about the old stuff.  Just delete all the partitions.  Start fresh.
[21:18] <InHisName> I will be on intermittently.
[21:30] <n2diy> InHisName, roger that, I don't want any MS stuff. I set up the partitions, and it is now installing the system, hopefully GRUB with be able to set the boot stuff?
[22:35] <ChinnoDog> hrm. In Gingerbread you can write entire applications in C++
[22:49] <InHisName> grub on a bare drive was always good for booting.  Hope you have luck for that.


[00:03] <kiko> mtaylor, Meths: our appservers hate us
[00:04] <mtaylor> kiko: :)
[00:04] <Meths> heh
[00:04] <mtaylor> kiko: you need to show them who's boss
[00:04] <kiko> we're about to
[00:19] <amanica_> aah, sorry to hear that. hardware and all sorts of software hates me too from time to time
[00:21] <amanica_> once I heard a tip that if you walk up to a computer with a screwdriver in your had it gets scared and starts working. you can try that :)
[00:27] <kiko> IT IS HAPPENING
[00:29] <wgrant> \o/
[00:29] <wgrant> Hm.
[01:18] <poolie> something is happening...
[01:24] <kiko> guys
[01:24] <kiko> the rollout is happening
[01:24] <kiko> and we are having a debugathon during it
[01:28] <kiko> sys.modules madness
[01:30] <ajmitch> it sounds like things are slightly weird there
[01:31] <wgrant> ajmitch: Well, buildout is involved. Of course it's weird.
[01:35] <lifeless> ajmitch: python does some weird stuff too.
[01:35] <ajmitch> I've heard of some weirdnessa round relative imports & differing directories with python 2.6, but I hope that's not affecting this
[01:36] <lifeless> nope
[01:36] <lifeless> its a variation on http://bugs.python.org/issue6551
[01:42] <blueyed_> isn't this code running on staging/dogfood before?
[01:43] <wgrant> dogfood has been down for some weeks, and staging hasn't had a full update in more than one, so who knows...
[01:46] <lifeless> blueyed_: we've found out that there was a problem deployed a week back which showed up during the outages we had
[01:47] <lifeless> blueyed_: but we haven't gotten an absolute root cause for it, and rolling back won't help as we know the problem is already on production.
[01:47] <lifeless> blueyed_: we haven't see it occur on staging or edge, or we would have had a lot more warning
[01:48] <blueyed_> thanks for the explanation. maybe @launchpadstatus should say something like that. would have given up pushing code and crash report earlier then.. :/
[01:58] <nigel_nb> Hi, is the LP downtime extended after 23:45?
[02:00] <spm> nigel_nb: yes unf. one of the key steps is taking massively longer than was ever anticipated. :-(
[02:00] <nigel_nb> spm: oh okay :)
[02:00] <nigel_nb> is there a new estimated up time?
[02:01] <spm> gawd I wish. we just don't know sadly. :-( 1001^2 apologies.
[02:02] <DBO> :(
[02:03] <DBO> spm, I appreciate the hard work. If you guys ever get a free moment a blog about the recent downtime (with a healthy dose of self deprecating humor) would probably go a long way with public relations
[02:04] <spm> heh.
[02:04] <spm> DBO: thanks, I'll see what we can do. :-)
[02:05] <ajmitch> free beer would also do wonders, but I don't think your budget will stretch that far
[02:05] <DBO> meh, gives me an excuse not to work
[02:12] <nigel_nb_> spm: sorry, got disconnected.  thanks for lettin me know.  I guess I have to watch and wait.
[02:12] <nigel_nb_> Thanks a lot :)
[03:51] <spm> *** Progress! Things are moving, and we aiming to restore service Soon. ETA still uncertain, hopefully 30 minutes. ***
[03:52] <oubiwann_> spm: sweet!
[04:09] <DBO> spm, awesome, great news!
[04:24] <xnox> barry: could you please post to identica launchpadstatus that it is going to be until 5am? Cause it took me a while to think off to check irc for more precise info
[04:25] <cody-somerville> What happens to uploads when launchpad is read-only?
[04:26] <xnox> barry: btw launchpad OpenID server is not working = not ideal cause I can't login to external websites =(
[04:37] <sproaty> is the CSS broken? all the project home pages are really long , and all the columns are stacked with a gap between instead of having downloads to the right, for instance
[04:38] <cody-somerville> sproaty, Launchpad is currently in the process of being updated. You may need to do a force refresh for your browser to discard its old cached copy of the page's css.
[04:38] <mwhudson> xnox: it should be back now
[04:39] <sproaty> I thought it may have been a permanent layout change :p
[04:39] <cody-somerville> I just did a force refresh myself and now see what you mean. It should be fixed once the deployment is complete.
[04:40] <sproaty> no problem.
[04:40] <cody-somerville> oh, there it goes. it looks fixed to me now.
[04:40] <sproaty> still not for me (I done ctrl+f5)...doesn't matter though
[04:41] <cody-somerville> oh, its back to looking weird again for me too :)
[04:41] <lifeless> its not up till its up
[04:41] <lifeless> patiencce please
[04:56] <DBO> wewt!
[04:56] <DBO> its back
[08:00] <h00k> I'm having a problem updating a branch for a project I'm working on
[08:01] <h00k> which, I just found out, might be fixable if I upgrade --rich-root-pack
[08:01] <h00k> er, nope.
[08:01] <h00k> Basically, I'm running into this:
[08:02] <h00k> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/334353/
[08:12] <wgrant> h00k: That's because your repository is 2a, while the remote is something before 2a.
[08:12] <wgrant> h00k: You should have just run 'bzr branch lp:voicecheck
[08:13] <wgrant> ... rather than initing a 2a repository explicitly.
[08:16] <kb9vqf> Is there a way to get a complete build log (not just the tail) from Launchpad while the package is still building?
[08:19] <wgrant> kb9vqf: Unfortunately not.
[08:19] <kb9vqf> bummer :(
[08:19] <wgrant> kb9vqf: It would be nice, but it's hard.
[08:19] <wgrant> Because the build log can get massive, it's not suitable for storing in the DB.
[08:20] <kb9vqf> That's OK...I'll just pull the full log in the morning
[08:20] <kb9vqf> Thanks for the explaination though
[09:40] <sayakb> what happened to the "report a bug" button? oO
[09:40] <sayakb> or do I need to be on the project page to do that?
[09:40] <wgrant> sayakb: You should be on the project page.
[09:41] <sayakb> wgrant: i quite remember that bugs.lp.net used to have that button, clicking on which I could also choose the project from
[09:43] <wgrant> sayakb: That was dropped a few months ago. I don't recall why.
[09:43] <wgrant> It has caused widespread confusion, however.
[09:44] <sayakb> wgrant: agree. we have a post at the kdeforums regarding this: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=84193&p=139756#p139382 -- hence was wondering
[09:52] <tjaalton> is there a problem with the publisher since the break?
[09:52] <tjaalton> seems that built packages are not being published
[09:59] <tjaalton> ok, it's being dealt with
[10:23] <noodles775> Are others having issues getting to edge.launchpad.net (or dev.launchpad.net)
[10:23] <noodles775> (or launchpad.net)
[10:26] <tsimpson> I can connect fine
[10:26] <noodles775> hrm.
[10:27] <bigjools> edge is on a go slow though
[10:28] <tsimpson> seems responsive here, maybe I'm not taxing LP enough
[10:28] <noodles775> Yeah, seems to be responsive again now for me too. For 5mins or so the dev wiki wasn't responsive for me.
[10:34] <AlanBell> hello, I am using the python launchpadlib to examine teams and members, I can't find in the API where the date a person joined a particular team is stored
[10:34] <AlanBell> I can see when the person as a whole joined launchpad, but not when they were added to a team
[10:43] <AlanBell> never mind, I have found the team_membership object, it is in there
[10:43] <kiko> AlanBell, I was about to tell you about team membership :)
[10:53] <AlanBell> hmm, still struggling.
[10:55] <AlanBell> I know the team_membership is what I want to get to, I have an object for the group (group=launchpad.people['ubuntumembers'])
[10:55] <AlanBell> how do I get to a collection of teammemberships?
[10:56] <thekorn> AlanBell, give me a second to write donw an example, it is easy
[10:57] <thekorn> AlanBell, I would do it this way: http://paste.ubuntu.com/334404/
[10:58] <AlanBell> oh, perfect!
[11:05] <thekorn> added this sample code to https://help.launchpad.net/API/Examples
[11:40] <kane___> Greetings; I've just tried to change the approver on a project from myself to someone else. Instead however, the approver is now empty and I've lost permissions to edit the blueprint. Can someone give me a hand to fix this? The project in question is server-lucid-improve-testcases
[11:43] <bigjools> can a losa help kane___ please? --^
[12:01] <sbc> Is there a limit to the size of files that can be attached to bug reports?
[12:01] <sbc> I just tried uploading a 83 mb big file, and that failed.
[12:25] <fagan> Can I change my launchpad username even though I have a ppa
[12:25] <fagan> My username is really long
[12:25]  * fagan 8
[12:25] <bigjools> fagan: you can't do it yourself
[12:26] <bigjools> it's blocked because your PPA url changes if you change your name
[12:26] <bigjools> but if that's ok then file a question and an admin can do it
[12:26] <fagan> It said before when I tried that I have a ppa so I can do it
[12:27] <fagan> Cool
[12:27] <bigjools> the first PPA activation warns that you won't be able to change your name any more
[12:28] <fagan> I know but I didnt read it and now that I have an @ubuntu.com email address its a little bad going<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[12:33]  * fagan 8
[14:05] <leonel> hello .. yesterday I've uploaded a package to launchpad but didn't realize that was readonly ... and my packages didn't appear on my ppa  or any mail with packages accepted ..
[14:05] <leonel> the packages are on queue or should I reupload ?
[14:06] <leonel> sorry disconected ..
[14:08] <soren> leonel: Reuploading never hurts.
[14:09] <leonel> soren: thanks ..
[14:09] <leonel> reuploading ..
[14:54] <h00k> wgrant: ah, alright
[15:22] <luis_lopez> Hi, how do I modify a comment posted to a bug?
[15:26] <beuno> luis_lopez, you can't
[15:27] <luis_lopez> :(
[15:27] <luis_lopez> thanks, beuno
[16:11] <AlanBell> I have found some curious dates going on in Launchpad
[16:14] <AlanBell> Jun Kobayashi's profile was made a member of ubuntumembers on 2005-11-08 however his profile was only created 2007-03-31
[16:16] <barry> AlanBell: url?
[16:17] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~jkbys
[16:18] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers/+members?active_start=210&active_batch=1
[16:20] <barry> AlanBell: that's almost definitely a display bug.  i think the date you see is the date the team was created, not the date the person joined.  care to file a bug on that?
[16:20] <AlanBell> it isn't a display bug, I found it through launchpadlib
[16:21] <barry> AlanBell: oh, ouch
[16:21] <barry> AlanBell: that's worse then ;/
[16:21] <AlanBell> on average (including a few anomalies) it takes 611.75 days from creating a launchpad profile to becoming an ubuntu member
[16:22] <barry> AlanBell: i looked at the bottom two teams on his home page to guess the above.  can you verify that's the case for his other teams?
[16:23] <AlanBell> I see 4 other people in a similar situation
[16:25] <barry> AlanBell: sinzui might be interested in this
[16:26] <AlanBell> looking at this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JunKobayashi
[16:26] <AlanBell> I believe the Ubuntu member joining date to be correct
[16:27] <AlanBell> and the personal launchpad page to be wrong
[16:27] <sinzui> AlanBell: barry: I think that may have to do with the account. The account is often created for the user when his commits or translations are imported
[16:27] <sinzui> That may be more than a display bug if the wrong information is copied over.
[16:30] <AlanBell> davmor2 sridhar sabdfl scott also joined the members group before their profiles were created
[16:32] <adiroiban> hi. I'm looking at bug 133708 ... it the listed priority is Low, while the last action changed it's priority to whishlist...
[16:32] <adiroiban> is this a bug, or i'm missing something ?
[16:48] <sinzui> adiroiban: by classifying it as wishlist, it is now considered a feature request and may need s blueprint
[16:48] <sinzui> adiroiban: some launchpad projects do not use wishlist, instead setting it low and adding a feature tag
[16:55] <AlanBell> sinzui: do you want me to file a bug about the odd dates on personal profiles?
[17:00] <adiroiban> sinzui: ok. but I still now understad how was that priority set to "low" as danilo explicitly defined it as "whishlist"
[17:00] <adiroiban> sinzui: also looking at the full activity log, there is nothing about "whishlist"
[17:01] <danilo__> adiroiban, we are trying to use low for wishlist bugs, usually tagged with 'feature' as sinzui describes
[17:02] <danilo__> adiroiban, note, not all low bugs are wishlist items though :)
[17:02] <sinzui> adiroiban: triage is an ongoing process. developers change their minds, businesses redefine priorities, and changes else where in the system change the classification of the current bugs. We review our bugs often
[17:03] <adiroiban> danilo__: i'm confuzed :)
[17:03] <adiroiban> sinzui: I was hoping that all changes to that bug can be found in the "full activity log page"
[17:04] <sinzui> adiroiban: I think/hope it can
[17:04] <adiroiban> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/133708/+activity
[17:04] <adiroiban> in the +activity page there is nothing about setting it to low..
[17:05] <adiroiban> sinzui: is this a bug?
[17:07] <sinzui> danilo how did you change the bug status? ajax?
[17:10] <sinzui> adiroiban: I think there is a bug in malone where the changes are not recorded when ajax/launchpadlib is used
[17:11] <adiroiban> sinzui: ok. thanks!
[17:11] <sinzui> This may be bug 391842
[17:13] <adiroiban> sinzui: something similar... should I comment on that bug, or create a new one?
[17:13] <sinzui> adiroiban: I do not know if the bugs team sees that as the same issue
[17:13] <adiroiban> sinzui: i will open e new one then
[17:14] <mrjazzcat> Does anyone know what up with python.org?  I can reach it from my iPhone, but not firefox or chrome.
[17:17] <barry> mrjazzcat: dunno.  it loads just fine for me in ff
[17:18] <barry> mrjazzcat: and in chrome
[17:19] <mrjazzcat> barry, thx.  Strange.  It's something like a firewall problem.  Konqueror is only browser that finally errors: python.org: Socket operation timed out
[17:19] <mrjazzcat> barry, but never have these issues with other sites
[17:19] <barry> mrjazzcat: weird!
[17:19] <mrjazzcat> barry, I know.  I'll let you know when I figure it out
[17:19] <barry> mrjazzcat: firewall on your side?
[17:19] <barry> mrjazzcat: thanks!
[17:20] <mrjazzcat> barry.  That's what I think, but why in this case?
[17:20] <mrjazzcat> barry.  Anything special re: python.org requests?
[17:20] <barry> mrjazzcat: i can't think of any reason why
[17:20] <mrjazzcat> barry, k
[17:21] <barry> mrjazzcat: no, not that i can think of.  occasionally the server hangs and we restart it, but that usually affects everyone the same way
[17:21] <mrjazzcat> barry, and if it were my firewall, why would iPhone be different?
[17:21] <barry> mrjazzcat: any chance you're hitting it through the 3g network instead of wifi?
[17:22] <mrjazzcat> barry, good idea, but not according to my iPhone settings
[17:23] <barry> mrjazzcat: maybe something will come to me during lunch :)
[17:23] <mrjazzcat> barry, I'll got try another machine, in fact, I'll try that nasty OS ;-)
[17:29] <mrjazzcat> barry, ok.  Both my Ubuntu machines have this issue.  Windows and iPhone work behind same firewall.  Interesting
[17:37] <mrjazzcat> barry, oops, actually, my Karmic box finally connected, so it's not Ubuntu, just my one Jaunty box.  Now I'm thinking it's related to some client library.
[18:00] <chrismurf> How do launchpad users typically store wiki-style information? A seperate website?  Google code project?  Some LP feature I haven't found?
[18:05] <tsimpson> usually on wiki.ubuntu.com
[18:12] <mrjazzcat> barry: fyi.  I'm going to give up on debugging the browser issue.  I got chrome to access python.org, but each page takes about 4 minutes to load.  I'll just work around it.
[18:12] <mrjazzcat> barry: thanks for thinking about it thought
[18:13] <barry> mrjazzcat: np. i'll be curious if you do solve it though!
[18:13] <mrjazzcat> barry: thx. me 2 ;-)
[18:32] <chrismurf> tsimpson, that's only for ubuntu itself, though, presumably
[18:32] <chrismurf> so the idea is that everybody hosts their own wiki, and links to it from LP?
[18:33] <tsimpson> well LP provides a place for you to specify a wiki page, it's not limited to wiki.ubuntu.com
[18:34] <tsimpson> you can put most stuff in the "Homepage Content" section, and link to another site for more
[18:34] <chrismurf> I see - so the idea is that LP complements other websites, but it's not designed to be an all-in-one project area.
[18:35] <tsimpson> pretty much, yes
[18:35] <chrismurf> thanks for clarifying
[18:37] <kb9vqf> 7 hours in the build queue!  Anyone willing to rescore a build for me? :)
[18:41] <kb9vqf> If anyone can/is willing to rescore a build or two, these are the most critical (repeatable crash fixes):
[18:41] <kb9vqf> https://launchpad.net/~kb9vqf/+archive/kde3auxbuilder/+build/1379358
[18:42] <kb9vqf> and https://launchpad.net/~kb9vqf/+archive/ppa/+build/1379347
[19:13] <kb9vqf> If anyone can/is willing to rescore a build or two, these are the most critical (repeatable crash fixes):
[19:13] <kb9vqf> https://launchpad.net/~kb9vqf/+archive/kde3auxbuilder/+build/1379358
[19:14] <kb9vqf> and https://launchpad.net/~kb9vqf/+archive/ppa/+build/1379347
[21:18] <wgrant> AlanBell: The person creation date field was only added on the date that you see there (2005-06-15, IIRC), while the team join date field was added some time earlier.
[21:19] <wgrant> AlanBell: So people that created their accounts before 2005-06-15 (eg. me) will show up as being created on that date.
[21:25] <AlanBell> that explains 5 of them
[21:26] <AlanBell> I have an additional 4 people who became members before their profiles were created
[21:26] <wgrant> eg?
[21:26] <AlanBell> davmor2
[21:26] <wgrant> It's possibly because of person merges.
[21:26] <AlanBell> sridhar
[21:26] <AlanBell> dennis
[21:26] <AlanBell> jkbys
[21:28] <wgrant> It's quite possibly because account merges do not (or did not? they might now, but I forget) set the creation date to the lowest of the two.
[21:29] <AlanBell> you were made a member on 05/09/06 447 days after your profile created date
[21:29] <wgrant> sridhar and dennis have been around longer than the creation date suggests.
[21:29] <wgrant> I was, yes.
[21:30] <wgrant> But i only ever merged accounts *into* my main one, so mine should be fine.
[21:30] <AlanBell> the final output of what I am working on -> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.com/UbuntuMembers second graph in particular
[21:31] <wgrant> AlanBell: I don't think you can get the information that you require; Launchpad does not appear to store the deactivation date of memberships, although maybe it just doesn't display it.
[21:31] <AlanBell> I don't want deactivations
[21:32] <wgrant> Ah, I see you're not doing historical numbers.
[21:32] <wgrant> So that's fine, then.
[21:34] <AlanBell> I am quite happy with the data I am getting, apart from these 9 people who had a negative duration from profile to member.
[22:39] <AlanBell> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.com/UbuntuMembers <- some really cool data from launchpad
[23:28] <soren> AlanBell: How do you determine if a given account holder is female?
[23:33] <mneptok> soren: polite bug reports with meaningful data and no "lol"
[23:33] <soren> mneptok: I'm calling shenanigans on your heuristics.
[23:34] <soren> mneptok: The polite thing: Ok. Use of lol and such: Not so much ok.
[23:34] <soren> brb
[23:40] <soren> re
[23:47] <barry> well folks it's been fun!
[23:57] <kb9vqf> If anyone can/is willing to rescore a build or two, these are the most critical (repeatable crash fixes):
[23:57] <kb9vqf> https://launchpad.net/~kb9vqf/+archive/kde3auxbuilder/+build/1379358
[23:57] <kb9vqf> and https://launchpad.net/~kb9vqf/+archive/ppa/+build/1379347


[15:39] <rose_> I want to know how to slim down xubuntu in console mode
[15:40] <rose_> by default it uses around 250mb on a 512mb memory laptop
[15:40] <rose_> but I notice that after running this game server for a few days I ended up having almost 0 mem left and like 25MB of swap file
[15:41] <rose_> I have the game server running at 96mb
[15:41] <rose_> or 20% of my ram
[15:44] <rose_> come on!


[10:15] <rmg51> Morning
[11:47] <InHisName1> Morning
[12:30] <JonathanS> Morning.
[13:05] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else


[01:05] <ToStItOs> I have Lucid Lynx I can no longer drag and drop files from my music folder to my removable drive what could be some reasons why this has happened?
[01:05] <ToStItOs> By the way its a flash drive
[01:33] <linuxman410> does anyone know why xubuntu has diffrent installer than ubuntu
[01:36] <St0n3-C0l> because it's been customized for Xubuntu as far as i know
[01:36] <St0n3-C0l> having help / slideshows for those installing Xubuntu
[01:36] <St0n3-C0l> But the basic foundation remains same...
[01:40] <andai> Can't move stuff around my panels
[01:41] <ToStItOs> I cant drag and drop files to my flash drive
[01:41] <Jerry> hello?
[01:42] <Jerry> I'm having trouble trying to install Ubuntu 10.10.  Can someone help me?
[01:43] <St0n3-C0l> Tositos : Are you sure the files your trying to copy are on your home folder and you have access to it ?
[01:44] <St0n3-C0l> Access in mean - Even writing's access.
[01:44] <andai> how do i move the window list around
[01:44] <St0n3-C0l> window list around?
[01:44] <St0n3-C0l> what do u mean ?
[01:45] <andai> the bottom panel has a window list. I can't seem to move anything to the left of it (only to the right)
[01:45] <andai> i'm trying to get the Applications menu at the bottom left (a la windows) but i can't seem to move anything beyond the window list
[01:45] <ToStItOs> St0n3-C0l,          Well I have mpg files in my music folder and everytime I drag them to the usb flash drive they go back to the music folder
[01:45] <andai> nor remove the window list (so i can add it again to the right)
[01:45] <St0n3-C0l> oh
[01:46] <andai> oh good, i removed Task List
[01:46] <St0n3-C0l> your right.
[01:46] <andai> lol now it's too far to the left
[01:46] <St0n3-C0l> so don't drag them TosItos - Why not use copy and paste?
[01:47] <St0n3-C0l> Yeah probably seems some problem with the panels
[01:47] <andai> Aha! it worked. But you have to be able to control your mouse down to 2 pixels to get it in the right area
[01:47] <andai> and you have to know exactly where to look
[01:47] <andai> lol
[01:47] <ToStItOs> St0n3-C0l, did that still didnt work
[01:47] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[01:47] <andai> i think in gnome as soon as you drag an item past the center of another, it jumps to the other side of it
[01:47] <St0n3-C0l> TosItOs: Look to the normal ubuntu channel, some guy there told you about Permissions
[01:48] <St0n3-C0l> I guess it's more about Permissions than anything else.
[01:48] <St0n3-C0l> If you had root access then you may want to open Thunar as Root.
[01:48] <St0n3-C0l> And try copying on from there
[01:48] <St0n3-C0l> yeah andai but XFCE is not that bad with moving files in panels
[01:48] <St0n3-C0l> it's good as well
[01:49] <St0n3-C0l> anyways
[01:49] <St0n3-C0l> gotta go
[01:49] <St0n3-C0l> bye
[01:49] <ToStItOs> St0n3-C0l, I wonder why drag and drop doesnt work anymore
[01:49] <St0n3-C0l> not sure. I don't drag and drop.
[01:50] <andai> cya
[01:54] <andai> what does the Stick button do
[02:03] <andai> Moving a large file from a desktop to a folder on my desktop should be instant, right?
[02:03] <andai> Instead I think it's copying it, then deleting the old one
[02:04] <andai> is there a way to remove recommended packages
[02:46] <linuxman410> how do i change to another server on irc
[03:40] <andai> how do i change the color of the panel text
[03:40] <andai> found it
[03:41] <moetunes> heh :]
[11:36] <DSeese> I need help with installing ubuntu 10.10 for netbooks.
[11:37] <Sysi> this support channel for Xubuntu, but you can maybe try with enough generic question
[11:38] <DSeese> ok, I've delete and recreated a partition in fat32 and when I go to start I get a "No root file system is defined" message.
[11:39] <DSeese> It looks like a partitioning issue, but I can't figure out what.
[11:40] <Sysi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStickQuick
[11:40] <Sysi> create ext4 partition and set mount point to /
[11:41] <Sysi> also create swap partition (more in manual)
[11:44] <DSeese> thanks
[11:44] <DSeese> That worked perfectly. It's installing now
[14:46] <johnny77> I'm trying to edit the touchpad on my netbook, but when I go into the mouse setting and click on my touchpad the settings dont appear.
[14:53] <TheSheep> johnny77: try gsynaptics
[14:55] <johnny77> TheSheep: thanks installing it now.
[14:58] <johnny77> TheSheep: that worked thank you.
[14:59] <johnny77> How can I edit the menu?
[15:02] <TheSheep> johnny77: what do you want to change?
[15:05] <johnny77> TheSheep: I want to change the menu around a bit. I guess with Ubuntu and Kubuntu both already installed the menu ended up a little wonky. Just wanted to clean it up a bit.
[15:07] <TheSheep> johnny77: well, you can copy the .desktop files that define menu entries from /usr/share/applications/ to ~/.local/share/applications and edit them there to taste
[15:07] <TheSheep> they are simple text files
[15:08] <johnny77> TheSheep: there is not an application that will do it, like in gnome or KDE?
[15:12] <TheSheep> johnny77: they are still working on that in xfce
[15:13] <TheSheep> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu <-- more info
[15:13] <allencch> hello, i am ubuntu user
[15:14] <allencch> i would like to know that is there anyway to switch to xubuntu, without fresh installation?
[15:14] <TheSheep> allencch: sure, just install the xubuntu-desktop package, and you will be able to select ubuntu or xubuntu at the login screen
[15:15] <allencch> TheSheep: thank you. but i have a lot of GNOME software, Xfce causes any problem of those software?
[15:16] <allencch> TheSheep: will Xfce cause any problem to those software?
[15:16] <johnny77> TheSheep: thank you.
[15:17] <TheSheep> allencch: no, it will all work
[15:18] <allencch> TheSheep: Okay thanks. i ask this question because i read from a lot of forum mention that fresh installation is better, because there will be a lot of problem.
[15:18] <allencch> TheSheep: thank you very much
[18:53] <opelig> servus
[18:57] <mark76> Drakensis?
[19:08] <likemindead> HALP? I can't get my mic to work in Skype. Video is fine and I can hear the other person. ALSA versus PulseAudio is such a mess. Worked fine in Lucid, though...
[19:09] <likemindead> I tried three different mic input methods -- the webcam mic, the laptop's internal mic, and a headset too. Again, they all worked in Lucid, and none are coming through in Maverick. :-\
[19:27] <likemindead> [SOLVED] -- INSTALL ALL PULSEAUDIO STUFF. :d
[19:59] <fuge> hi
[19:59] <fuge> is there any easy way to replace the kernel?
[20:04] <likemindead> With what?
[20:05] <fuge> with another
[20:06] <Sysi> on what purpose? depends on what form you have kernel
[20:07] <likemindead> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=change+kernel+ubuntu
[20:07] <Sysi> likemindead: please not..
[20:07] <fuge> :)
[20:07] <likemindead> I kid, I kid!
[20:08] <likemindead> (Also, there appear to be many relevant links there.)
[20:08] <Sysi> (yeah, that's the funniest part)
[20:08] <fuge> it is because i have a tv tuner what is not working on 9.10 but on 9.04 it is working, and it is working on 10.10 too
[20:08] <fuge> but i am using 9.10
[20:09] <fuge> and i would not like to upgrade
[20:10] <fuge> only if it is too problematic to replace the kernel
[20:10] <Sysi> 9.10 hasn't very long time left anymore
[20:10] <Sysi> you could propable get .debs somewhere
[20:11] <fuge> yes i know it will not be supported too long
[20:17] <fuge> in the update manager i saw that there is an option to upgrade to 10.04.1 but i am not sure it will be 100% successful it is a safe way to upgrade and keep all my settings, etc.?
[20:17] <Sysi> create separate home and clean install
[20:29] <MaximumResults> Hello All.
[20:30] <MaximumResults> Today's question:  How do I get printing to work.  My laptop is running Xubunutu 10.10.  My Print Server is running Centos 5.  I thought I had everything configured, but when I print to the printer, nothing comes out the printer.
[20:31] <MaximumResults> My printer status shows a status of "Processing" for a while.  Then the job looks finished,
[20:31] <MaximumResults> but the printer never prints anything.
[20:43] <likemindead> What kind of printer? And is it wired or wireless?
[20:43] <MaximumResults> Print test page does the same thing,  a test page job is submitted, goes to "Processing" status and eventually disappears.  Nothing comes out of the printer.
[20:43] <MaximumResults> The printer is a Deskjet 932C.   It's connected to the CUPS server by a parallel cable.
[20:44] <MaximumResults> I can print from the computer with the printer directly attached
[20:45] <MaximumResults> The printer is working and verified from the CUPS server, it just never prints from my laptop.  The job goes to a "Processing" state for several minutes, then disappears.
[20:45] <Sysi> MaximumResults: you have set server to share connected printers and client to view shared printers?
[20:45] <MaximumResults> Yes,  The server shares connected printers.
[20:45] <Sysi> you maybe need to add new printer with right ip, can't remember
[20:45] <MaximumResults> And I can see it in my Printer Configuration.
[20:46] <MaximumResults> I've added the printer. I pointed it at the IP of the cups server (I think I used the internal DNS name, but it is an address that I can successfully ping.
[20:46] <MaximumResults> My printer configuration shows the printer. It has the green check (default printer)
[20:47] <MaximumResults> And if I go to properties, it shows "Printer state: idle"
[20:48] <Sysi> (sounds like setting up network shares in win7)
[20:48] <MaximumResults> Oddly, the status doesn't change from "idle" when the CUPS server is printing for another client (or for itself).
[20:49] <MaximumResults> From this laptop, the status stays "Idle" as the printer prints for another station.
[20:54] <MaximumResults> Hmmmm, from the CUPS server access log (/var/log/cups/access_log )
[20:54] <MaximumResults> <IP_ADDRESS> - - [28/Oct/2010:15:43:00 -0400] "POST /printers/deskjet932c HTTP/1.1" 200 482 Get-Printer-Attributes successful-ok
[20:54] <MaximumResults> then
[20:55] <MaximumResults> <IP_ADDRESS> - - [28/Oct/2010:15:43:00 -0400] "POST /printers/deskjet932c HTTP/1.1"<PHONE_NUMBER> Print-Job client-error-document-format-not-supported
[20:55] <MaximumResults> 1
[20:57] <MaximumResults> That happens immediately when I print something.  My laptop then goes into the "Processing" mode for a long time (several minutes).
[20:57] <Sysi> when printing *anything*?
[20:59] <MaximumResults> Yes, when printing anything from the laptop.  Either test page, or printing from Firefox or from OpenOffice.
[21:03] <MaximumResults> The jobs aren't showing in the job log on the CUPS server.  It only shows print jobs from other desktops and from the CUPS server itself.
[21:04] <MaximumResults> That's when I look at http://CUPS-server:631/jobs?which_jobs=completed
[21:04] <MaximumResults> where CUPS-server in my local domain resolves to the CUPS server address
[21:11] <MaximumResults> I see a bunch of stuff in the cups logs on the laptop.  Hang on while I go to paste and put it up there.
[21:14] <MaximumResults> My local cups log at http://paste.ubuntu.com/521623/
[21:15] <MaximumResults> The intersting line is this one:  D [28/Oct/2010:16:11:10 -0400] [Job 10] Set job-printer-state-message to "Print file was not accepted (Unsupported format 'application/octet-stream'!)!", current level=ERROR
[21:17] <MaximumResults> Google search for "Print file was not accepted (Unsupported format 'application/octet-stream'!)!" turned up this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=839838
[21:17] <MaximumResults> uninstalling and reinstalling CUPS seems a bit drastic.  That's what his solution was.
[21:20] <MaximumResults> Other threads that turned up for that search did not report the same solution.
[21:21] <MaximumResults> One that looks interesting is an OpenSUSE bug report that reported a solution by editing the MIME type configuration on the CUPS server.
[21:23] <MaximumResults> I have not installed (yet) the HP drivers on the laptop.  I thought it would send postscript to the CUPS server and the server would be the only place where drivers were needed.
[21:24] <MaximumResults> But it looks like my laptop is trying to send raw data to the printer.  I'm wondering what raw data it is sending.
[21:26] <MaximumResults> The only place I see the "application/octet-stream" text in my /etc/cups directory is in raw.convs and raw.types.
[21:27] <MaximumResults> I need to check my other desktop and see if I have the HP printing system drivers installed there.
[21:28] <MaximumResults> I wonder if it's sending postscript to the CUPS server, or if that desktop is rendering it to a raw data file for the printer and shipping that over to the server.
[21:32] <MaximumResults> Looks like the station that works (sometimes) has hplip and hpijs packages installed.
[21:34] <MaximumResults> This laptop also has those packages installed.
[21:37] <MaximumResults> Very interesting.   I'm not sure how my other desktop was working.  The CUPS server was configured not to accept raw data from application/octet-stream MIME types.
[21:37] <MaximumResults> I uncommented the line to allow that in /etc/cups/mime.convs
[21:38] <MaximumResults> And now it works.
[21:38] <MaximumResults> Although I'd rather have my local CUPS send the file over in postscript and let the server render it for the printer.
[21:44] <MaximumResults> Problem solved.     Wow!!!
[21:44] <MaximumResults> On local (laptop) CUPS, changed printer driver to "Generic PostScript Printer"
[21:45] <MaximumResults> And again disabled the raw "application/octet-stream" mime type in /etc/cups/mime.convs on the CUPS server


[02:37] <cprofitt> hello all
[02:37] <benonsoftware> Afternoon cprofitt
[02:40] <IdleOne> hello ello
[02:40] <benonsoftware> 'ello IdleOne
[03:23] <cprofitt> hey benonsoftware - near midnight here
[03:24] <benonsoftware> ;)
[06:57] <bkerensa> hmm
[07:01] <cjohnston> uggh
[07:01] <bkerensa> hmm
[07:02]  * bkerensa waits 10 mins or so for dholbach to show ;P
[07:02] <cjohnston> ]its sunday
[07:02] <cjohnston> I doubt he will
[07:05] <bkerensa> cjohnston: were supposed to do a hangout
[07:05] <bkerensa> =/
[07:05] <bkerensa> so I hope so
[07:05] <bkerensa> its Monday in Germany
[07:06] <cjohnston> bkerensa: I'm not sure where in Germany he is, but I'm fairly certain it's still Sunday in Germany... http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=37
[07:07] <bkerensa> cjohnston: <bkerensa> dholbach: just to confirm 0700 UTC (12:00am PST my time) June 11 (June 10 my date)
[07:07] <bkerensa> <dholbach> yep
[07:07] <bkerensa> =/
[07:07] <bkerensa> ahh maybe midnight tonight
[07:08] <cjohnston> dunno
[12:46] <mhall119> yeah, it's still the 10th in UTC
[12:47] <s-fox> all day
[13:02] <daker-cloud> mhall119: darktable guys won't add the button
[13:08] <mhall119> daker-cloud: that's okay, just move them to the declined section
[13:09] <daker-cloud> there response :
[13:09] <daker-cloud> without PPA support, we will only motivate people to install an outdated version of darktable, which is probably detrimental instead of positive
[13:12] <mhall119> understood
[21:16] <daker-cloud> some good new for the w-e http://allafrica.com/stories/201206090217.html :)
[21:20] <daker-cloud> s/new/news


[00:29] <cthulchu> huh, I so got used to iterm2 and it's not available for Ubuntu, unfortunately. Would you folks suggest a terminal with a similar window/tab management as there, plus the quick windows-style copy/paste in the terminal?
[00:33] <leftyfb> cthulchu: I personally like terminator. But this really isn't a support question and asking for opinions on software only gets you multiple answers based on personal preference(not yours ). You can try #ubuntu-offtopic for a list of terminal emulators to try or you could just search the ubuntu app store and try them out yourself and pick the one you like the best
[00:34] <adoney> hola, al iniciar no tengo problemas, pero cuando cierro sesion y vuelve a la pantalla de inicio de sesion se me queda en negro, tambien cuando se suspende y trato de encenderlo
[00:34] <adoney> por si hay alguna forma de arreglar ese problema
[00:34] <leftyfb> !es | adoney
[00:59] <trafficjam> what's a good scp alternative that copies the entire directory all at once?
[01:01] <tomreyn> trafficjam: sftp
[01:02] <tomreyn> -r
[01:02] <trafficjam> way better, thanks
[01:07] <Guest9220> Hello guys
[01:08] <Guest9220> anyone online?
[01:08] <tomreyn> !ask | Guest9220
[01:09] <Guest9220> how do you install git on mate desktop?
[01:09] <kenperkins> @cthulchu, I use terminator, I've also got alacritty
[01:10] <Guest9220> i have mate 1.2.0
[01:10] <Guest9220> could anyone help? I've been searching this out for a really really long time, and haven't found any success.
[01:11] <Bashing-om> !git focal | Guest9220
[01:12] <Guest9220> @Bashing-om can you guide me? i'm a beginner.
[01:13] <Bashing-om> Guest9220: The only experiences I have with "git" is the version control system from our repo. does ' apt show git ' reflect what you want ?
[01:14] <Guest9220> The program 'apt' can be found in the following packages:
[01:14] <Guest9220> This is what it says
[01:15] <Guest9220> and when i do apt-get install git, it says installing packages, and just says failed at the end.
[01:15] <Bashing-om> Guest9220: Well seems you are not then running ubuntu as your operating system - as "apt" is the default package manager in ubuntu.
[01:15] <Guest9220> oh okay..
[01:16] <Guest9220> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[01:16] <Guest9220> This is what it says at the end of the command..
[01:16] <Bashing-om> Guest9220: Show the channel in a pastebin what you are running - and perhaps we cn guide you the better. pastebin the output of ' lsb_release -a ' .
[01:17] <Bashing-om> can*
[01:17] <Bashing-om> !paste | Guest9220
[01:21] <Bashing-om> Guest9220: Still with us - or have I lost you somewhere ?
[01:25] <Guest9220> @Bashing-om i'm there.
[01:27] <Bashing-om> Guest9220: ^ waiting to see the paste ^ of what you are running before we continue here.
[01:36] <yrdsb> hi
[01:42] <Guest9220> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/hvnwyq397c/
[01:42] <Guest9220> @Bashing-om here's the link
[01:42] <oerheks> oneiric... that is old man, EOL, dead jim
[01:43] <oerheks> upgrade to a supported ubuntu version
[01:43] <oerheks> or better; do a fresh 20.04 install
[01:43] <oerheks> !oneiric
[01:44] <Guest9220> so, you can't install git on this OS?
[01:44] <oerheks> nope, it is dead.
[01:45] <oerheks> 2013 .. ages ago
[01:45] <Guest9220> oh.
[01:45] <Guest9220> But i was working on a project, which'd support only this version..
[01:45] <Guest9220> That's why i was trying
[01:45] <oerheks> sorry, ask your project to give good stuff
[01:46] <Guest9220> Alright. Thanks for the info.
[01:46] <Guest9220> Actually i was trying out this Anonymous-OS
[01:47] <oerheks> we do only ubuntu
[01:47] <Guest9220> Yeah it's like a cheaper version of Ubuntu, The OS is ubuntu, but it just has the name Anonymous OS..
[01:48] <oerheks> it has nothing to do with ubuntu, even if they use *our* repositories
[01:48] <Guest9220> It has some tools pre-built like HOIC, LOIC, Admin Finder, SQL and some others too
[01:48] <Guest9220> Just found it pretty interesting..
[01:48] <rafaelsoaresbr> You can temporary use old-releases.ubuntu.com in your mirrorlist
[01:49] <oerheks> hoic and loic are hacking tools
[01:49] <oerheks> rafaelsoaresbr, not for such old versions, one gets stuck
[01:49] <oerheks> reinstall a good version, good luck!
[01:50] <Guest9220> Okay. Thanks
[01:50] <inhahe_> Hi, how do I stop Ubuntu from asking for my password every time I leave for a minute and come back?
[01:51] <oerheks> inhahe_, systemsettings > power blank screen  to 'never'
[01:52] <inhahe_> thanks
[01:56] <cthulchu> folks, how do you read this? eval "$(/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/bin/brew shellenv)"
[01:56] <cthulchu> eval implies execution, but what is $?
[01:58] <trafficjam> what's this "start request repeated too quickly" systemd error?
[01:59] <oerheks> you repeatedly try to start it, while once would do
[02:00] <trafficjam> so another systemd process is doing this?
[02:00] <trafficjam> i don't think so, because i've disabled the only other service which mentions this one
[02:01] <oerheks> limit it by adding StartLimitInterval=30 to your service file https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35452591/start-request-repeated-too-quickly
[02:01] <trafficjam> thanks, i'll try that
[02:02] <inhahe_> how do I see the update progress of UpdateManager?
[02:02] <inhahe_> i think it's downloading but i have no idea how much longer it has
[02:03] <trafficjam> oerheks: hmm it's still throwing that error when i restart and look at status
[02:03] <oerheks> inhahe_, usually you see it on your screen,?
[02:03] <oerheks> trafficjam, what service exactly
[02:03] <oerheks> ?
[02:03] <trafficjam> oerheks: a service i wrote to run docker-compose
[02:04] <inhahe_> oerheks: i can't find it anywhere on my screen, but when I try "shutdown now" it says Operation inhibited by "UpdateManager"
[02:04] <inhahe_> oh, i found it
[02:04] <inhahe_> i think it was under 'activities'
[02:13] <fowl> can multipass run a vm for another CPU architecture?
[02:15] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/virtualization-multipass i think so
[02:28] <intelo> I am on ubuntu lts 20.x. having xfce,xubuntu desktop, awesomeWM. I want to remove all the UI/GUI , desktop, apps, everything then reinstall it again. What is best way to do it?  after that i will reinstall xfce and awesomeWM. The reason I am doing is to remove xorg, apps, get rid of broken/misconfigured apps/things that bload/slow down and make
[02:28] <intelo> system bugy, crash etc.
[02:28] <intelo> sudo apt-purge remove xorg* xfce* xubuntu* ?
[02:28] <oerheks> do a fresh install, no way telling what will happen
[02:29] <intelo> oerheks I have a lot of configs actually. fish, awesome, vim, keybindings (caps with escape key), fish history.. the list goes on.
[02:29] <intelo> I don't want to loose those
[02:29] <intelo> and those are cli baseed
[02:29] <intelo> so if I remove gui, it won't matter
[02:30] <leftyfb> intelo: that's what backups are for
[02:30] <intelo> leftyfb don't have one
[02:31] <leftyfb> intelo: backup your configs from your $HOME and you'll be fine. Just be sure to only restore the configs you know you want to restore. Do not just dump your home back
[02:31] <intelo> I see
[02:31] <leftyfb> intelo: if you do not have a backup, then the data is unimportant
[02:31] <intelo> data backups are there. configs backupsare not
[02:32] <leftyfb> intelo: you should just be backing up everything in /home/user/
[02:32] <intelo> even if I did.. it would be a system backup as many configs are 'in the system'. e.g /etc
[02:32] <intelo> leftyfb so it won't go in /home. will it? (wondering)
[02:33] <intelo> leftyfb thats why I thought best to remove gui. upgrade, backup, install gui
[02:33] <intelo> what do you think?
[02:34] <leftyfb> intelo: most personal backups are done in home. System level configs are in /etc/. Regardless, backup /home/user and /etc. My machine which has way more configs then you probably ever will has the entire /etc at only 18M
[02:34] <intelo> If I could get rid  of browsers or console based browsers or some ligth weight ones. that shows videos. I would just ditch gui altogether
[02:34] <Guest1751> hi\
[02:34] <intelo> leftyfb I see
[02:34] <Guest1751> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Ubuntu "focal" 20.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-10400F CPU @ 2.90GHz (2.90GHz) • Memory: Physical: 8.7 GiB Total (7.8 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 13.1 GB / 51.3 GB (38.3 GB Free) • VGA: VMware SVGA II Adapter @ Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge • Uptime: 6m 19s
[02:36] <intelo> leftyfb so how do you take system backups?
[02:36] <leftyfb> intelo: rsync
[02:37] <intelo> I see
[02:37] <intelo> leftyfb only /home and /etc backup needed? nothing else?
[02:37] <leftyfb> intelo: mostly, but depends on your needs
[02:38] <intelo> leftyfb what might be a case wheni would need tohave  backups of more places?
[02:38] <leftyfb> intelo: if you have any interest log files in in /var/log
[02:40] <intelo> [ok
[02:40] <intelo> leftyfb when I would reinstall the os, should I do ubuntu-server and install xfce OR I should install xubuntu-desktop?
[02:41] <leftyfb> intelo: nor sure why you would do the former
[02:41] <leftyfb> not*
[02:41] <intelo> to make it as minimal as possible?
[02:41] <oerheks> 'should' .. do it the hard way or the easy peasy way
[02:42] <leftyfb> intelo: your call. But you are lucky to see a few hundred MB difference
[02:42] <intelo> ok
[02:42] <leftyfb> 1GB tops. Though I'm just guessing
[02:42] <oerheks> at least with that bios update you have a more stable system
[02:42] <intelo> leftyfb rsync -avziP etc backup   ?
[02:43] <leftyfb> intelo: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-rsync-to-sync-local-and-remote-directories
[02:43] <intelo> oerheks yes. not sure to make my 32k Mhz ram  be 32k in bios or 26k (default value there)
[02:43] <intelo> leftyfb I know but what do you do?
[02:43] <intelo> the rsync options
[02:44] <intelo> I want to read as sudoer but paste as normal user. don't know how to do that with rsync
[02:46] <intelo> leftyfb also, that reminds me. I have full disk encryption. THe disk I am taking backup is also encrypted. the both get auto mount on startup by same passphrase. I forgot where the setting was. in /etc?  will that mess anythign ?
[02:48] <oerheks> encrypted disks automount on startup, interesting
[02:48] <oerheks> how would we know?
[02:48] <oerheks> how do you store credentials?
[02:49] <intelo> oerheks I don't store creds anywhere
[02:49] <intelo> I type it at start
[02:50] <oerheks> oke, that is good.
[02:50] <intelo> I also wanted to have dual booth and have freebsd and xubuntu on same disk but then I won't be able to do "full disk ecryption" for either of the OSes. BUt thats an other topic I guess
[02:50] <intelo> oerheks so I am good?
[02:51] <intelo> oerheks reinstalling won't cause any issue?
[02:51] <intelo> to the existing disk that is encrypting and at the time getting my backups being pasted in it
[02:55] <intelo> leftyfb don't you think if I repaste /etc again there. It will reproduce same issues again. as /etc will have the problematic configs of xorg or maybe somethign else?
[02:56]  * intelo waits
[03:01] <inhahe_> I think it's weird that ubuntu doesn't come with make or gcc. not that I know much about linux.
[03:01] <inhahe_> just seems like something everyone would need
[03:04] <oerheks> build tools are not standard, by design
[03:04] <oerheks> but you can
[03:04] <intelo> oerheks leftyfb I don't plan to hold anyone responsible for loss (if any) so you can freely tell me your thoughts :)
[03:05] <oerheks> certainly not anyone needs gcc or git
[03:17] <yrdsb> hi
[03:17] <oerheks> :-)
[03:37] <jhutchins> inhahe_: Some people really need it, other people can go years without touching it.
[03:37] <jhutchins> inhahe_: If you're building a public facing server, one of the first rules is no build tools.
[03:39] <inhahe_> Ah
[03:42] <inhahe_> It seems like every time I've used linux I've needed to build stuff right away, and I'm not even an expert. But I guess I only use linux when I want to run some software project that's only available forit
[03:45] <KBar> inhahe_: do you have Ubuntu-related questions?
[03:47] <inhahe_> KBar: right now i'm wondering how to make a shortcut to Chrome on my desktop
[03:47] <inhahe_> oh nevermind, it's there
[03:48] <inhahe_> no questions atm
[04:35] <yrdsb> hi
[04:36] <yrdsb> how do i install cinnamon on ubuntu
[04:38] <lotus|TUX> yrdsb: sudo apt install cinnamon
[04:38] <lotus|TUX> yrdsb: https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-20-04-cinnamon-desktop-installation
[04:39] <lotus|TUX> cinnamon-desktop-environment that is
[04:41] <KBar> yrdsb: be aware that you won't be able to undo this action
[04:41] <lotus|TUX> aka frankenubuntu
[04:54] <KBar> lotus|TUX: yep, thats the most accurate description
[04:55] <lotus|TUX> KBar: installing desktops easy, purge a bit harder
[04:57] <KBar> reverse "difficult to build, hard to destroy"
[08:35] <Jack_Ma> q
[11:03] <jayFidds> Is it safe to install & use KDE plasma 5.24 on Ubuntu 21:10
[11:58] <webchat58> Hi
[13:01] <terminalpusher> Hello, in /var/log/apt/history.log it says the history for all package updates I've done. I have an entry with `Start-Date: 2022-02-19  10:12:52` and `End-Date: 2022-02-19  10:14:25`. How do I undo the package updates/changes done in that period?
[13:18] <terminalpusher> makes you think what those logs are for when you cant make use of them
[13:23] <Assid> heya
[13:25] <Assid> so i upgraded to  21.10 on the raspberry pi .. and i see that imagick has support for heic in this.. however, my nextcloud instance isnt able to work with this.. anyone have any clue as to whats wrong?
[13:47] <jancoow> Hi; Can I install this package https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/printer-driver-ptouch on an older version of ubunut?
[13:49] <ioria> jancoow, define 'old', please
[13:50] <jancoow> I'm on 20.04
[13:50] <ioria> !info printer-driver-ptouch  focal
[13:50] <ioria> jancoow, yes, you can
[13:50] <jancoow> Can you guide me how?
[13:51] <ioria> jancoow,  you just apt install pkgname
[13:51] <jancoow> this installs version 1.4.2-3 . I need version 1.6-2
[13:52] <jancoow> That's why I linked that version :)
[13:52] <ioria> i see
[13:53] <ioria> jancoow,  idk why you need that  specific ver, but you can make it from souce (https://github.com/philpem/printer-driver-ptouch) or try the snap ghostscript-printer-app
[13:54] <jancoow> I did compile it from source, but cups does not pick the driver up then..
[13:54] <jancoow> This older version does not work with my printer, and on Arch version 1.6-2 works fine
[13:54] <jancoow> So I need to install version 1.6-2 on ubuntu
[13:59] <jancoow> mmh, installing from dpkg worked
[13:59] <jancoow> with manually downloading the files !
[14:00] <jancoow> great, but what a hassle :/
[14:02] <krytarik> Well, if you like rolling releases better, then just stick with Arch?
[14:03] <ioria> that's very weird, because it wants libc6 >= 2.34  and focal is 2.31
[14:04] <jancoow> krytarik I was not arguing arch vs ubuntu,  I was more like why can't I specifiy if I want an newer version which seems to be available for a newer version of ubuntu
[14:06] <jancoow> I was just mentioning Arch to  make clear that specific version of the printer driver works fine with my printer, so I needed that version too on Ubuntu :)
[14:06] <coconut> jancoow, that's because the sync system of packages in linux, it always has been like that
[14:06] <jancoow> coconut ah okay, maybe I don't understand that properly then
[14:07] <ioria> jancoow, did it complain about the libc6 mismatching ?
[14:07] <jancoow> no
[14:10] <ioria> jancoow, can you please, paste  'apt-cache policy printer-driver-ptouch' ?
[14:11] <jancoow> ioria to be clear, the problem is solved now :) So not sure what you are after?
[14:11] <jancoow> it shows installed: 1.6-2
[14:11] <ioria> jancoow, ok
[14:11] <jancoow> ioria Im happy to help if you want to sort something out
[14:11] <jancoow> Just wanted to make clear it does work now :)
[14:12] <ioria> jancoow, no, thank you ... no problem
[14:12] <jancoow> oki, thanks for the help man!
[14:16] <ioria> funny, i got  printer-driver-ptouch : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.34) but 2.31-0ubuntu9.3 is to be installed
[14:16] <jancoow> how/where did you get that?
[14:17] <ioria> jancoow, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/ptouch-driver/
[14:17] <jancoow> I've downloaded the .tar.gz and .dsc file manually from https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/printer-driver-ptouch and used https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/printer-driver-ptouch
[14:17] <jancoow> err
[14:17] <jancoow> dpkg-buildpackage -b -d -uc -us *
[14:17] <ioria> ah, ok
[14:18] <ioria> jancoow, you rebuild it
[14:18] <jancoow> Yes
[14:18] <ioria> jancoow, now it's all clear
[14:19] <jancoow> However building it from the repository itself did not reload cups or something
[14:19] <jancoow> I'm still unsure why..
[14:19] <ioria> jancoow, sorry for the noise
[14:19] <jancoow> no worries!
[14:25] <ice9> every time when I unlock the screen after being locked for few mins, the screen keeps OFF for while then the whole system freezes and I have to hard reset: here is a log from previous boot if it's helpfull: https://termbin.com/15vq
[14:28] <jancoow> do you see the login screen?
[14:28] <jancoow> Can you still switch to a different tty?
[14:30] <eoli3n> Hi
[14:30] <eoli3n> why does zfs root have a limit on /boot dataset ?
[14:42] <ice9> jancoow, not at all, the screen is literally turned off
[14:43] <jancoow> ice9 I've the same problem with my nvidia card / 4k screen
[14:43] <jancoow> but not sure if it's related. I can switch to another TTY tho
[14:44] <dostoyevsky2> I just installed ubuntu touch on my phone... was wondering if there is a channel here for that...  Really wondering how one can write apps that support touch
[14:49] <Intelo> leftyfb I have reinstalled xubuntu
[14:50] <Intelo> Question to all? what file executes scripts 'aft'er gui is loaded. I want to do few things like 'redshift and launch few browsers/ apps' at each start up
[14:55] <eoli3n> i changed compress to "xz" in initramfs.conf, how to regenerate all initramfs ?
[14:55] <eoli3n> found "sudo update-initramfs -c -k all", but should i rm previous initrd before ?
[15:01] <alkisg> Intelo: see the desktop files at /etc/xdg/autostart
[15:01] <Intelo> alkisg I see
[15:02] <Intelo> alkisg what is xgd?
[15:02] <Intelo> alkisg I planto  use awesomeWM, will that work with it?
[15:02] <Intelo> alkisg and what you said is in /etc  but I want it for eachuser.
[15:03] <alkisg> Intelo: read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedesktop.org for what freedesktop = xdg is
[15:03] <alkisg> The stuff in /etc works for all users. While under /home/username they only work for a single user
[15:04] <alkisg> I don't know if awesomewm is compliant to the specs, but that directory works in anything that is compliant
[15:05] <Intelo>                   so in which directory do I need to put script and what to write in that script? alkisg
[15:05] <alkisg> Intelo: put your local scripts in /usr/local/bin/script-here. Then call them from /etc/xdg/autostart/some-name.desktop
[15:05] <alkisg> What to write? Whatever commands you want to run on startup for every user
[15:05] <alkisg> They will be executed after login
[15:06] <Intelo> redshift -O 3000;  launch chromium
[15:07] <KBar> I'd rather recommend placing them in your own home directory: $HOME/.local/bin should suffice. There is also a GUI that allows you to create new autostart items.
[15:07] <KBar> All without needing superuser privileges.
[15:07] <alkisg> KBar: "for all users"
[15:08] <KBar> alkisg: ah, pardon me. I guess I missed that part.
[15:08] <alkisg> Unless I misunderstood; Intelo you want these commands to run for every user, not just for you, right?
[15:09] <Intelo> only me
[15:09] <KBar> Yeah, I think ~/.local/bin is a good location for that.
[15:10] <Intelo> so what do  I put there?
[15:10] <Intelo> what exactly?
[15:10] <Intelo> you said 'placing them'. what is 'them'?
[15:11] <KBar> Intelo: well, depends on what you want to achieve.
[15:11] <Intelo> redshift -O 3000;
[15:11] <Intelo> chromium
[15:11] <Intelo> formar is a command
[15:11] <KBar> redshift already has its config file though?
[15:11] <Intelo> latter is also command of a browser
[15:11] <KBar> Intelo: just two lines, ill show you. hang on
[15:11] <Intelo> KBar I want it to run via commands. actually I will add more commands that relate to gui or cli later
[15:12] <Intelo> but I need a mechanism
[15:12] <Intelo> and to understand first that how it workds
[15:12] <Intelo> KBar ok!
[15:13] <Intelo> also, i just reinstalled os. I just need to copy paste my old ssh key to the new location? thats all? no other commands needed?
[15:13] <KBar> Intelo: something like this: https://pastebin.com/DKuAKUDR and create a new autostart entry. if you are on GNOME, just search for the 'startup applications' app or whatever it might be called on your system/language
[15:13] <Intelo> pastebin link is not working
[15:13] <S4nt1m> awesome wm has .config/awesome/autorun.sh also
[15:13] <Intelo> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/
[15:13] <S4nt1m> it runs that script at startup
[15:14] <KBar> Intelo: iirc yes, just copy paste should work. i know pgp keys need to be imported
[15:14] <Intelo> S4nt1m thanks
[15:14] <Intelo> S4nt1m you use it?
[15:14] <Intelo> awesome. I mean
[15:14] <KBar> Intelo: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/YUHnF7Wg
[15:15] <KBar> Intelo: after that, `chmod u+x /path/to/script`
[15:15] <Intelo> S4nt1m KBar ok but I wanted a generic run script that would run in any desktop system. for instance I have xubuntu xfce and awesome. I want those apps and commands to run on either.
[15:16] <KBar> Intelo: it will run on anything as long as those programs are installed
[15:16] <KBar> Intelo: or do you want it to also test for their existence?
[15:16] <Intelo> KBar ok I got it
[15:16] <Intelo> so I just put that file in  ~/.local/bin
[15:17] <Intelo> and whatever file(s) are there, they will auto execute when gui is loaded. here 'gui' is xfce or kde or awesome etc/
[15:17] <Intelo> ?
[15:17] <Intelo> correct?
[15:17] <KBar> Intelo: not correct. you also need to add that item into your autostart list
[15:17] <Intelo> where is the autostart list?
[15:18] <KBar> Intelo: which DE are you using?
[15:18] <Intelo> DE?
[15:18] <KBar> Intelo: desktop environment, is it GNOME?
[15:18] <Intelo> xfce and awesomewm
[15:19] <KBar> Intelo: is it at least Ubuntu?
[15:19] <Intelo> actually i might delete xfce some day
[15:19] <Intelo> yes
[15:19] <Intelo> ubuntu
[15:19] <Intelo> you can assume I have ubuntu server. I installed xorg and awesome on it
[15:19] <KBar> Intelo: search for "Session and Startup" app
[15:19] <KBar> or something similar
[15:19] <Intelo> ok
[15:20] <Intelo> ok I got it. but this is xfce speciic? right?
[15:20] <KBar> GUI is easy, otherwise you need to add an autostart entry manually
[15:20] <Intelo> how do I add entry?
[15:21] <Intelo> in a place that is not xfce or awesome specific
[15:21] <Intelo> it should run for all env
[15:21] <KBar> Intelo: is there .config/autostart directory in your home directory?
[15:21] <Intelo> ok. one sec
[15:21] <Intelo> no
[15:21] <Intelo> there isn't
[15:22] <KBar> Intelo: `echo $HOME` what's the output?
[15:23] <S4nt1m> I think you can run in the .xsession also, you can google it. All of those will be xsessions
[15:24] <Intelo> .  /home/user1
[15:24] <S4nt1m> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/47359/what-is-xsession-for
[15:24] <Intelo> S4nt1m ok
[15:25] <KBar> Intelo: something like this: `https://pastebin.mozilla.org/rUMUmqs7`
[15:25] <KBar> Intelo: you need to place that script in that directory and name it chromium-with-redshift, obviously
[15:26] <Intelo> should I put 'firefox' in ~/.xsession , ~/.profile or  ~/.xinitrc
[15:26] <KBar> if your DE is XDG-compliant (most are), it should proceed to start the autostart items after initiating their desktop session
[15:26] <S4nt1m> This is my takeaway from the post: If you log in in graphical mode on an X display manager (xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, lightdm, …), traditionally, what is executed after you log in is some scripts in /etc/X11 then ~/.xsession.
[15:27] <Intelo> ok
[15:27] <KBar> It's preferrable to create autostart items in .config/autostart
[15:27] <Intelo> so .xsession is best. not .profile or .xinitrc?
[15:27] <S4nt1m> .profile will be executed everytime you open up a terminal afaik
[15:27] <Intelo> oh
[15:27] <KBar> Intelo: .profile is for bash and other shells
[15:28] <S4nt1m> because .profile is sourced from .bashrc, which executes at terminal opening
[15:28] <Intelo> my .xsession now has one line. 'firefox
[15:28] <Intelo> '
[15:28] <Intelo> lets see
[15:29] <Intelo> I will be back soon
[15:30] <KBar> S4nt1m: that won't work on Wayland
[15:30] <KBar> autostart items are distro-wm-agnostic
[15:30] <Intelo> it didn't launched firefox
[15:31] <Intelo> did I missed anything?
[15:31] <KBar> Intelo: because you're on Wayland
[15:31] <Intelo> So what should I do?
[15:31] <KBar> Intelo: just to make sure: `echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE`
[15:31] <KBar> is it x11 or Wayland?
[15:32] <Intelo> x11
[15:32] <KBar> Intelo: autostart items. did you check the paste i linked you to? ready for use, just copy and paste
[15:32] <KBar> Intelo: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html
[15:33] <KBar> Intelo: this is for chromium with redshift: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/rUMUmqs7
[15:34] <KBar> Intelo: for firefox. Just use the GUI "Session and Startup" > Application Startup > New item > find firefox and add it, give it a name and optionally a description. It will create an autostart entry in .config/autostart
[15:34] <KBar> use that as a template
[15:35] <KBar> for future autostart items
[15:35] <Intelo> thats not in awesome "Session and Startup" > Application Startup >
[15:36] <KBar> Intelo: awesome is a window manager, it's irrelevant here
[15:36] <KBar> Intelo: are you sure you're running Ubuntu?
[15:36] <KBar> Intelo: `cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999`
[15:39] <Intelo> https://termbin.com/ihtg
[15:39] <KBar> Intelo: also `cat /var/log/installer/media-info | nc termbin.com 9999`
[15:39] <Intelo> I wanted to have a script thatruns for all env
[15:39] <Intelo> https://termbin.com/lwde
[15:39] <KBar> Intelo: that's what I've been telling you the whole time.... autostart items are the way
[15:40] <Intelo> ok
[15:40] <KBar> Intelo: have a read of the specification
[15:41] <KBar> it explains everything better than I can
[15:42] <Intelo> ok..
[15:43] <Intelo> xrandr commands should also go in autostart scripts? KBar?
[15:44] <KBar> it should have its own config file
[15:44] <KBar> iirc
[15:45] <KBar> Intelo: autostart items aren't scripts necessarily. you're confusing two different things. can you explain what you're trying to achieve and why is it a necessity that it should run on all DEs?
[15:46] <KBar> why are you concerned about portability when you're invoking very specific apps that aren't installed by default on any of the major distros?
[15:47] <Intelo> just wanted to maintain the scripts at one place
[15:47] <Intelo> if I play around with other DE/desktops, WMs I won't have to worry
[15:48] <Intelo> so commadns are
[15:48] <Intelo> firefox, chrome, redshfit, xrandr, maybe more
[15:49] <KBar> Intelo: you dont actually even need separate scripts, do you see that Exec= field in a .desktop file?
[15:50] <KBar> Intelo: you can do Exec="sh -c COMMAND" for one-liners
[15:50] <KBar> so for firefox, Exec="sh -c firefox"
[15:51] <Intelo> inside the .desktop file?
[15:51] <KBar> yeah
[15:51] <KBar> Intelo: .config/autostart/*.desktop files
[15:51] <KBar> use the one that I gave you as a template and you're good
[15:52] <Intelo> ok, will do in few minutes
[15:53] <Intelo> Thanks!
[15:53]  * Intelo in middle of copying ssh keys
[15:53] <KBar> Intelo: actually, looks like even the sh -c part is not required. i checked my other autostart items; here's another
[15:53]  * Intelo in order to gain access to his remotes  / scripts etc
[15:54] <KBar> Intelo: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/OyZZy1LO
[15:54] <Intelo> do I just need to copy the ssh private keys in .ssh dir and alll with be good or I need to execute commands as well  like ssh-add etc or agent commadns?
[15:54] <Intelo> KBar ok\
[15:55] <KBar> Intelo: just copy the entire .ssh directory from one machine to another
[15:59] <mybalzitch> ssh-copy-id
[16:01] <Intelo> mybalzitch what to do with that? is it madatory? what effect will it make?
[16:02] <mybalzitch> if you want to automate logging in to remote machines its the easiest way to copy your pubkey over
[16:04] <Intelo> publik key? not proivate?
[16:28] <jhutchins> Intelo: https://phoenixnap.com/kb/ssh-to-connect-to-remote-server-linux-or-windows
[16:29] <Intelo> i know it
[16:29] <Intelo> my question was different
[16:51] <Mitacho> Hello guys! Here I am again :D to ask for help regarding my USB microphone ( https://askubuntu.com/questions/1393594/usb-microphone-does-not-work-on-ubuntu-21-10 ).
[16:52] <Mitacho> I tried to use this " quirk_alias " after seeing a discussion on GitLab ( https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/-/issues/998 ), but with no success.
[16:54] <Mitacho> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=763d92ed5dece7d439fc28a88b2d2728d525ffd9
[17:03] <Minus_One> Mitacho, I have never had to deal with quirks, but those hex codes in the quirk are the USB vendor and product IDs, right? Did you try registering the quirk using 0c76:120c, or the codes shown in the commit?
[17:03] <Minus_One> looks like 0c76 is harman kardon
[17:04] <Minus_One> but it does say JBL in the commit message and comments, so I'm not sure what's up there
[17:05] <Minus_One> err 0ecb is harman I meant
[17:10] <Mitacho> I tried, I copied this quirk alias: quirk_alias=0ecb205c:0ecb203e and replaced 0ecb205c with 0c76120c, and kept the value 0ecb203e on the right side of the : because I don't know what that value means.
[17:10] <Mitacho> But after I did that my mic disappeared from Gnome sound settings
[17:15] <Minus_One> Mitacho, the right hand of the : is the device you are mapping to. So you are saying that the left hand vendor ID pair should be treated the same as the right hand one for applying quirks. source<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:16] <Minus_One> try making the right hand 0ecb203e
[17:16] <Minus_One> oh wait that is what you used, my bad
[17:16] <Minus_One> that seems right
[17:17] <Mitacho> Haha
[17:17] <Minus_One> =P
[17:20] <Minus_One> well, did you try restarting after appling the alias? That's about all I've got to suggest at this point. Seems like you researched this a lot already
[17:20] <Minus_One> (or is the alias only applied after reboot? Again, haven't had to mess with that)
[17:23] <Mitacho> I'll do it again and restart.
[17:23] <Minus_One> Alright
[17:26] <jhutchins> boing
[17:26] <Mitacho> Now my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file contains this line: options snd-usb-audio index=-2 quirk_alias=0c76120c:0ecb203e. I will be back in a moment.
[17:35] <Mitacho> The microphone just disappears https://imgur.com/a/hnu7DfN
[17:36] <Mitacho> :/
[17:36] <Minus_One> okay Mitacho, I may know what's up
[17:36] <Minus_One> what kernel are you on?
[17:36] <Minus_One> (uname -a)
[17:38] <Mitacho> Minus_One: Linux ubuntu 5.13.0-28-lowlatency #31-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Jan 13 18:29:33 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:38] <Mitacho> I think this " lowlatency " is because I tried another command from the internet ( sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency-hwe-20.04 ).
[17:38] <Minus_One> Okay. I am also on 5.13, and looking at the quirks.c file for that kernel relase, the JBL Quantum family quirks are not present. But the Kingston HyperX Cloud Flight S is, and it uses the same quirk. So you can try making the right hand of the mapping 095116ea
[17:38] <Mitacho> Oh, OK.
[17:39] <Mitacho> I will do that and also uninstall " linux-lowlatency-hwe-20.04 ".
[17:39] <Minus_One> only if you want, you can try before removing it
[17:40] <Mitacho> OK.
[17:40] <Mitacho> Now my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file contains this line: options snd-usb-audio index=-2 quirk_alias=0c76120c:095116ea
[17:41] <Mitacho>  will be back in a moment.
[17:41] <Minus_One> ok
[17:46] <lsd|2> dymy
[17:46] <lsd|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LbnvBJjLrU
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> not here please lsd|2
[17:48] <Maik> !ot | lsd|2
[18:45] <pnwise> Is snap going to be heavily integrated in 22.04 like the previous releases
[18:45] <matsaman> can't think of a software initiative Ubuntu started that was abanonded
[18:45] <matsaman> that was NOT abandoned, rather
[18:46] <Minus_One> pnwise, seems like it is becoming more and more focused on. Firefox is going to offer only a snap in 22.04, for instance
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[18:47] <pnwise> Minus_One, thanks. I thought that would be the case
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> and also see !next
[18:47] <Minus_One> !next
[19:03] <aiena> I am trying to install the qt5feedback package but cannot find it. Is it there by some other name?
[19:05] <aiena> ah seems like it's there only on a newer ubuntu
[19:05] <coconut> aiena, libqt5feedback5/impish 5.0~git20180329.a14bd0bb-3 amd64
[19:06] <aiena> yes I think its not available for 20.04
[19:06] <aiena> *it's
[19:06] <coconut> might be, i don't know that
[19:06] <aiena> thanks a lot https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&keywords=qt5feedback&searchon=names
[19:07] <aiena> I found it after asking here.
[19:07] <aiena> THank you for your help.
[19:07] <coconut> sure
[19:40] <dragon_> is anyone using teams in Firefox?
[19:44] <matsaman> dragon_: sometimes
[20:26] <DebianNB> Hi, had disk A with linux and disk B with win10 the grub was detection both without any issue. the Disk A is damaged and bought a new disk for disk A and installed again linux on it. Right now the grub is just the linux section, it's possible to added win10 boot section from disk B to new istalled grub?
[20:28] <tomreyn> DebianNB: which ubuntu version are you running there?
[20:28] <DebianNB> 20.4
[20:29] <tomreyn> do you mean 20.04 LTS?
[20:29] <DebianNB> yes
[20:29] <dragon_> matsaman, how to you set it up to work. I have missing dependencies when trying to install application
[20:30] <tomreyn> DebianNB: and how is the system booting? uefi or legacy bios boot?
[20:30] <DebianNB> uefi
[20:30] <tomreyn> echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[20:30] <matsaman> dragon_: in Firefox, or on its own?
[20:31] <dragon_> matsaman, I have tried both running Teams in browser, and installing the app, there are two option for linux
[20:32] <tomreyn> DebianNB: is windows selectable from the uefi boot menu? not grub, but the one of your mainboard firmware (UEFI 'BIOS')
[20:32] <matsaman> dragon_: well pick which approach you want to work on, and then tell the channel the errors you're getting
[20:32] <dragon_> In browser I am told, to find a compatible browser like Edge
[20:32] <matsaman> dragon_: from Firefox?
[20:33] <dragon_> yes I am in Firefox
[20:33] <DebianNB> tomreyn now because was in the damged disk UFEI dir
[20:33] <tomreyn> DebianNB: if so, use that to switch between the two OSes, its the better approach over trying to chainload windows through grub
[20:34] <tomreyn> you could try whether installing os-prober will result in a windows option being added to grub. but that's no longer the recommended approach.
[20:34] <dragon_> Package teams, Status; Error cannot satisfy dependencies
[20:34] <DebianNB> tomreyn i dont have the win via any anything, but the disk B with win10 is untouched, i need just a section or any tool to added it in grub again.
[20:35] <DebianNB> os-prober doesn't detect the iwn10
[20:35] <matsaman> dragon_: which version of Ubuntu?
[20:35] <DebianNB> win10*
[20:35] <dragon_> matsaman, I am in lubuntu 21.10
[20:35] <tomreyn> DebianNB: this very much sounds like a windows question to me, really, you should try to make some windows recovery tool re-add windows bootcode to your efi system partition and efivars.
[20:36] <xmetal> hmm @ Microsoft offers a DEB and RPM for that software but doesn't say what distro's they are for (i mean say what Ubuntu BASE its for)
[20:36] <dragon_> matsaman, noone in the lubuntu channel used teams or web conferance software at all
[20:36] <DebianNB> thanks any way but isn't win question.
[20:37] <tomreyn> DebianNB: i know you said you want to add a "windows" option to grub, but i already commented on that
[20:37] <tomreyn> there's ##windows also, if it helps
[20:38] <matsaman> dragon_: maybe this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1391091/reinstall-ms-teams-after-upgrade-to-ubuntu-21-10
[20:40] <xmetal> if that doesn't work ^ ... i'd GUESS that MS would release Teams for the LTS so that MAY be why there are dependency issues
[20:42] <tomreyn> there are four variants of ms teams that are kind of working on 20.04 LTS, if that helps
[20:42] <matsaman> I mean this is always the problem with Microsoft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
[20:42] <matsaman> but sometimes you gotta use certain things for certain situations
[20:42] <tomreyn> 3 of those are the three release channels of ms, and one is an open source client. all are electron based, all lack a relevant amount of features compared to the windows counterpart
[21:03] <odd1> its been  a long time since i need to debug OS installers, last was SLiM from early Solaris 2, but the installed from the daily build dated 2022-02-16, looked like it finishes, but not cleanly...   known issue? or shall i go debugging
[21:05] <jhutchins> odd1: Not widely reported, what do you mean by "not cleanly"?
[21:07] <Ravage> also: daily build of which Ubuntu release?
[21:08] <odd1> ill have to do it again, but a numver of unclosed buffer complaints, and resulting in a os partition that looked ok, but the bootloader could not mount it
[21:08] <oerheks> 22/04 beta likely
[21:08] <oerheks> !next
[21:08] <oerheks> keep bugs in one place
[21:08] <odd1> ^numver^number
[21:09] <odd1> ok, just following the pointer on a page to get here   will do  thanx
[22:45] <goddard> why doesn't gnome automatically elevate permissions if the current user is in the sudo group?
[22:46] <goddard> when i create a file in a directory that requires elevated permissions it shouldn't require some command line interaction right?
[22:46] <oerheks> 'in a directory' ? where?
[22:46] <goddard> files
[22:47] <goddard> Nautilus
[22:47] <oerheks> in your home folder ??
[22:47] <oerheks> pretty vague
[22:48] <goddard> any folder the requires elevated permissions
[22:48] <goddard> it just says permission denied and that is it
[22:48] <goddard> doesn't offter a prompt to enter password for sudo
[22:48] <Chunkyz> install policykit-1-gnome
[22:48] <oerheks> one should install nautilus-admin to raise the level
[22:49] <Chunkyz> that'll prompt you for a password...
[22:50] <tomreyn> press ctrl-l, add admin:// in front of location, press enter
[22:52] <Chunkyz> whilst I'm here, I'm using thunar... I try and right click and remove a USB drive but it fails and tells me I don't have the correct permissions. can I fix this?
[22:52] <Chunkyz> I can unmount it though.
[22:55] <jhutchins> goddard: The idea is that elevated permissions should not be seamless, there should be an additional step required, essentially for confirmation that you want to break the non-privileged mode,
[22:56] <jhutchins> goddard: The premise being that privileged mode allows you to break things outside of your own sequestered domain.
[22:57] <goddard> maybe just a preference option to disable the training wheels mode then?
[22:57] <goddard> sometimes it would be nice to use nautilus via sftp and use sudo to move and copy files and other stuff
[22:58] <jhutchins> goddard: It's not training wheels, it's good discipline.  Otherwise why even require elevated permissions?  Have flat access like DOS.
[22:58] <goddard> because it requires you to authenticate
[22:58] <jhutchins> goddard: Most experienced system administrators would scold you soundly for using a GUI as root.
[22:59] <goddard> why?
[23:00] <goddard> that is the reason why sudo exists
[23:01] <goddard> often nautilus is safer especially if you delete something as the default behavior is to use the trash
[23:07] <jhutchins> An administrator should not need a graphical crutch, which both constrains his actions and allows catastrophic errors.
[23:07] <goddard> never said i needed it, I want it
[23:07] <jhutchins> goddard: And no, sudo exists to allow specific users access to a restricted set of privileged commands.
[23:07] <goddard> its easier and i think has less chance for an error
[23:08] <goddard> jhutchins: that is basically what i just said
[23:09] <jhutchins> goddard: We'll be seeing you again.
[23:09] <Chunkyz> whilst I'm here, I'm using thunar... I try and right click and remove a USB drive but it fails and tells me I don't have the correct permissions. can I fix this? I can umount it, not sure if that helps.
[23:09] <Chunkyz> a lot of noise, sorry for repeating myself. :-)
[23:09] <goddard> jhutchins: i think you have an old dogma maybe
[23:15] <jhutchins> goddard: You asked for an explanation, that's where it comes from.
[23:16] <goddard> I'm happy to change my mind, but I haven't heard a good argument.
[23:16] <jhutchins> Chunkyz: I usually see an eject symbol next to removable dries in thunar.
[23:17] <jhutchins> s/dries/drives/
[23:18] <jhutchins> goddard: As a single user of your own personal computer, you probably won't.  A lot of the assumptions and conventions don't really apply.  Remember, *nix systems tended to be either batch-based or multi-user TSO.
[23:21] <goddard> Sure and that is fine, but the Linux community has a lot of dogma that isn't really based on reality as of today.
[23:22] <Chunkyz> jhutchins: yeah I see that, I press it and it gives a quarks error or something.
[23:22] <goddard> Some person teaching you to do something a certain way and then repeating without knowing the reason why is a classic example
[23:22] <Chunkyz> I'm *guessing* it's a permission error but no clue where to look. :')
[23:23] <goddard> reminds me of a joke i heard once about how a grand daughter asked her mom and her mom asked her mom and found out she just did something that way because hurt turkey wouldn't fit in that fashion so she did it another way.
[23:24] <oerheks> goddard, how is this related to ubuntu support?
[23:24] <goddard> oerheks: good question
[23:24] <oerheks> anyway you have been answered, admin// or install nautilus-admin
[23:25] <jhutchins> goddard: The vast majority of linux systems are in large server farms.
[23:25] <cbreak> goddard: I somewhat like "ranger" on the CLI
[23:26] <cbreak> it's superior to the normal file managers ubuntu offers by supporting three column view (miller columns or something like that)
[23:26] <goddard> yeah ranger is nice
[23:27] <cbreak> especially if you use it with a good terminal like Kitty
[23:27] <cbreak> it can show images and thumbnails of movies in terminal :D
[23:28] <jhutchins> !info mc
[23:29] <Eickmeyer> goddard, cbreak: Let's keep it support-related. :)
[23:29] <jhutchins> Yeah, let's get it back to that 95 minutes of dead air.  That's a great use of resources.
[23:30] <Eickmeyer> jhutchins: We have other channels for idle chatter. :)
[23:30] <cbreak> I'm supporting the selection of a good terminal and cli file manager.
[23:31] <Eickmeyer> cbreak: Doesn't look like anybody asked.
[23:31] <oerheks> 1discuss
[23:37] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue723


[12:39] <otubo> smoser: not sure what kind of test I should write for the nm-support. I didn't write a new renderer or how the renderer works, I just hack how it gets available.
[14:42] <smoser> otubo: well, we wan tto make a test that shows that sysconfig gets rendered if networkmaager config has that setting.
[14:49] <otubo> smoser: ok, you convinced me, I'm gonna work on that and will push soon.
[14:49] <otubo> smoser: btw, I might as well push my fixes now and the test later this week
[14:52] <smoser> otubo: yeah. thats perrfectly fine
[14:53] <otubo> thanks :)
[14:55] <smoser> otubo: i'm sorry to say i dont think we have a test of sysconfig.available
[14:55] <smoser> so you wont be able to just add one
[14:55] <smoser> but rather have to create a class
[14:55] <smoser> but i can help you
[15:05] <otubo> smoser: oh that would be really nice. I need to fix some other things right now. I can ping you tomorrow if you have some free time on your day.
[15:11] <smoser> otubo: we actually have cloud-init-summit tommorrow in US/Pacific times
[15:11] <smoser> so.. i wont be around much, but i'll see if i can get something together to give you pointers.
[15:12] <otubo> smoser: ohh that would be really nice to attend, to bad I live in the other side of the world.
[15:13] <otubo> smoser: that's ok. Perhaps rharper can help? Or Ryan Mccabe?
[15:13] <otubo> But I really do appreciate your help on that :)
[15:14] <rharper> otubo: I'll be at the summit as well, but we'll do our best to respond to pings here and on your merge proposal
[15:16] <otubo> duh, of course you would :)
[15:17] <otubo> smoser: rharper enjoy the summit guys, we can talk next week. No worries.