[05:54] <scizzo> zenpod: is it a card that is built in to the motherboard?
[05:55] <zenpod> scizzo, yes
[05:55] <zenpod> scizzo, oddly, Rythmbox and Totem can both play audio at the same time
[05:56] <scizzo> hmmm
[05:56] <scizzo> sounds like esd is something you should not use.. :P
[05:56] <zenpod> Yeah, I killalled it
[05:57] <zenpod> how can I make it not start?  Just uncheck 'start sound server' in the sound settings under computer?
[05:57] <scizzo> yes
[05:57] <scizzo> that should do it
[05:58] <zenpod> scizzo, okay cool
[06:06] <zenpod> um.. ok.. so also, apparently using the hoary firefox on warty = bad
[06:07] <bombrill> some one for a new guy on ubuntu ?
[06:08] <zenpod> bombrill, eh?
[06:09] <bombrill> I'm from the debian world, and I just discoverd that there's no root account on ubuntu !?
[06:09] <deFrysk> bombrill, sudo is used
[06:11] <bombrill> ok, so all I have to do is a sudo passwd root to have a root passwd ?
[06:11] <scizzo> bombrill: sudo apt-get install something
[06:11] <scizzo> bombrill: type the pass for the user
[06:11] <deFrysk> your usersaccounts passwd is your sudo passwd
[06:11] <tvon|x31> hey, baz 1.0 nice
[06:12] <tvon|x31> now only if it was in python :-P
[06:12] <bombrill> i gave the user passwd, but it's not the right one obviously...
[06:12] <scizzo> bombrill: are you trying what I said?
[06:12] <deFrysk> bombrill, the passwd you gave during install
[06:12] <scizzo> bombrill: have you used sudo ever?
[06:12] <deFrysk> sudo , not su
[06:12] <deFrysk> sudo <command>
[06:13] <bombrill> the thing is that a gui is asking for a passwd.. not a term
[06:13] <deFrysk> use your useraccount passwd
[06:13] <scizzo> bombrill: use the pass for the user then
[06:13] <bombrill> that's what i did... and i have a "passwd incorrect"...
[06:13] <scizzo> then you have changed the passwd for the user
[06:16] <bombrill> well... nope. my passwd is correct, but not accepted.
[06:16] <Kamion> bombrill: which GUI?
[06:17] <bombrill> application >> system >> network tools
[06:17] <bombrill> and "configure" on a network interface
[06:18] <Kamion> hm, I should have asked that question when all my convenient systems aren't buried in bootloader debugging so that I could actually check
[06:19] <bombrill> :) no prob..
[06:22] <bombrill> ok a simple sudo passwd root worked..
[06:32] <rad59> gm all
[06:32] <rad59> is ok to ask a (i hope) quick question?
[06:34] <bob2> just ask
[06:34] <rad59> thx! I am having problems viewing mpeg's I hear sound but no video
[06:34] <rad59> i have a default ubuntu install
[06:35] <rad59> and latest d/l from the site
[06:36] <bob2> mpeg-4?
[06:36] <rad59> y
[06:36] <Napo> Hi all
[06:37] <rad59> although avi's don't view either
[06:38] <stvn> probably a stupid question, but what is the password for ohoogadmin/where can i set it?
[06:39] <bob2> rad59: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:40] <rad59> ahhh, i did see that mp3's i must have missed that. thx!
[06:41] <rad59> have a great day!
[06:41] <kensai> I've setup ubuntu in another computer that has winxp on the other HDD. Now why when choosing to boot xp on grub it says unknown partition type what I need to change in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:45] <DN> hey hey
[06:46] <micsch> hi
[06:47] <micsch> Command 'kcmshell k3bsetup2 --lang en_US' not found, is this a bug in k3b?
[06:48] <micsch> or in ubuntu, because of missing depencies?
[06:51] <deFrysk> micsch, perhps set keyboard to us ?
[06:52] <micsch> deFrysk, and then?
[06:52] <deFrysk> you seem to have it set to en_US ?
[06:53] <micsch> i can not imagine that that will help
[06:53] <deFrysk> where is locales set to?
[06:53] <micsch> de
[06:54] <deFrysk> that could be the reason then
[06:54] <wezzer> hey, I read that k3b might crash something
[06:54] <wezzer> after I burned 1 cd, my x won't start
[06:54] <micsch> hui, nice
[06:54] <wezzer> it says that I don't have rights or something like that
[06:54] <micsch> deFrysk, good choise
[06:55] <deFrysk> I use mp3roaster
[06:55] <wezzer> I can start x if I'm root
[06:55] <deFrysk> a perl hac to burn mp3/ogg/and .flac to cd' s
[06:55] <deFrysk> hack
[06:55] <deFrysk> it rules and freed me from k3b
[06:56] <wezzer> hmm, thanks for the tip
[06:56] <wezzer> I'll try that next time
[06:56] <deFrysk> wezzer, your welcom
[07:04] <pridkett> anyone know how to mount a data dvd under Ubuntu?  If I do a straight mount it complains about not being able to read the superblock.  Same thing if I specify -t iso9660 or -t udf.
[07:04] <bob2> what exact command line are you using?
[07:04] <mjr> hmh, they mount automatically for me out of the box
[07:04] <zenwhen> Ive never had to mount a single cd since I installed Ubuntu
[07:05] <zenwhen> :) :)
[07:05] <zenwhen> or dvd
[07:05] <pridkett> bob: mount /dev/cdrom /media/dvd
[07:05] <pridkett> bob2: or mount /dev/cdrom /media/dvd -t udf
[07:06] <pridkett> i've never dealt with a data dvd before.  GNOME just brings up the cd burner window when I plop the disk in
[07:06] <bob2> is /dev/cdrom pointing at the right device?
[07:06] <pridkett> yeah, same then when I do /dev/hdc
[07:06] <pridkett> mount's cds no problem
[07:06] <ogra> evening everybody
[07:07] <bob2> sure the disk isn't blank?
[07:07] <mjr> I'd almost guess that your drive is broken
[07:07] <bob2> ie it mounts elsewhere?
[07:07] <mjr> unless the disk is, yes
[07:07] <pridkett> bob2: yeah, it works fine in windows
[07:07] <pridkett> drive is able to play dvds just fine
[07:07] <bob2> the exact drive?
[07:07] <pridkett> yup, I just dropped in a dvd to check
[07:07] <bob2> ok
[07:07] <pridkett> maybe it just doesn't like dvd+r
[07:08] <pridkett> worst case I'll just do a net transfer from another box in the office
[07:08] <pridkett> but 3.9GB even at 100Mbps is still kinda slow
[07:11] <pridkett> oh well, it's not a biggie.  I was just checking to see if there was anything special I would have to try other than -t ufs and what not
[07:13] <Oly> i got a quick question, just got 2 computers set up with ubuntu
[07:13] <Oly> when i goto network i can only see the windows machines not the ubuntu machines
[07:13] <Oly> any reason for this ?
[07:13] <Oly> should they show up in the windows workgroup ?
[07:14] <Oly> if not where do i look ?
[07:16] <ogra> Oly: to make ubuntu available to windows you must install and configure samba
[07:16] <pridkett> Oly: by default you probably won't see them, they won't have file sharing enabled
[07:16] <Oly> i am not worried about windows
[07:16] <Oly> ah i see, so i have to enable that
[07:17] <Oly> i just thought it was strange i could see a windows machine and not the other linux machine :p
[07:17] <ogra> Oly: by installing any kind of filesharing service...(ftp, nfs, samba, http)
[07:18] <Oly> okay thxs for that info
[07:18] <Oly> i may as well install samba anyway as i have a windows machine
[07:19] <Oly> i want to try this remote desktop as well but htought i would at least make it so i could see the computers first :p
[07:20] <ogra> Oly: easiest is to enable remote desktop on one machine and use "terminal server client" from the other box
[07:21] <Oly> yeah, but i thought a good first step would be to make sure i can see the other machine :)
[07:21] <ogra> Oly: do you know the ips of all these machines ?
[07:21] <Oly> yep there all static
[07:22] <ogra> Oly: you dont need filesharing enabled for remote desktop.....
[07:22] <ogra> Oly: just use the ip in TS client and select vnc as the protocol
[07:23] <Oly> okay when it said computer name i thought host name :p
[07:23] <Oly> did not think of using the ip
[07:23] <Oly> thanks a lot for that info ogra
[07:23] <ogra> Oly: :)
[07:31] <lupus_> if I do an commit to a cvs is there no way to let it auto add the commit text to be added to the changelog
[07:31] <lupus_> without me having to also edit the changelog file
[07:32] <wezzer> does anyone has ideas, how to fix my problem (users are not allowed to startx)
[07:33] <ogra> wezzer: did you install k3b ?
[07:33] <wezzer> yes
[07:33] <wezzer> and I even burned 1 cd with it
[07:33] <wezzer> after that problem came
[07:33] <ogra> wezzer: look at the owner of ~/.ICEauthority
[07:34] <thoreauputic> wezzer: in fact, just blow it away ( ~/.ICEauthority)
[07:34] <ogra> :)
[07:35] <wezzer> okay
[07:35] <thoreauputic> I've seen this with KDE apps run as a different user ( eg root)
[07:35] <wezzer> umm, I didn't find that on FAQ
[07:35] <wezzer> should it be added?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> wezzer: well, KDE isn't really supported, but yeah, worth knowing
[07:36] <wezzer> yea, but I found instructions how to install k3b to ubuntu
[07:36] <wezzer> somewhere on ubuntu site
[07:37] <wezzer> don't ask me where :D
[07:37] <ogra> wezzer: it was in there once......but its gone it seems (lookin at the site)
[07:38] <Kamion> it currently recommends running k3bsetup in a root terminal, not via sudo
[07:38] <Kamion> I would imagine that 'sudo -H k3bsetup' rather than plain 'sudo k3bsetup' would be fine too
[07:38] <Kamion> if you also avoid running k3b as root
[07:41] <thoreauputic> This is one of the things that irritates the hell out of me about KDE- the other is all the unecessary stuff KDE apps spews into my nice clean aterm about not being able to create a pixmap, and how it dumps "mutex destroy failure" in the middle of the next command on exiting!!
[07:41] <ogra> why does it need root at all ? (never used it....the disk group should be enough)
[07:43] <thoreauputic> Heh - I shouldn't have to type 2>/dev/null after every KDE app t stop the pollution... ;)
[07:43] <ogra> hehe
[07:43] <Riddell> thoreauputic: kdebugdialog lets you turn off the debug output
[07:44] <thoreauputic> Riddell: aha - thanks I'll look into it :)
[07:47] <clee> um
[07:47] <daniels> mu
[07:47] <clee> so does anybody else notice that they can't send mail in Hoary's evolution?
[07:47] <daniels> RESOLVED/WORKSFORME
[07:47] <clee> daniels: tberman just ran into this issue as well
[07:47] <clee> ok, well, I'm upgrading
[07:47] <clee> neat
[07:48] <glar00k> no problem here
[07:49] <Mesta> has anyone been following the "Mouse and keyboard stop responding after logout from gnome" bug reports? The status has been changed tp Resolved|FIXED but the message later on mentions that patches from Ben Herrenschmidt has not been committed to the 6.8 branch.diff (the sectio is titled 6.8.1-1ubuntu4).  So I'm left wondering if my issue has been fixed at all as I have an ATI card with which I suffered to bug this addresses in the 1st pla
[07:49] <Mesta> ce.
[07:51] <markie> Question for today - Is support for PPC available here?
[07:52] <thoreauputic> WOW! Turning off debug output speeds KDE launches up incredibly in fluxbox!
[07:52] <Mesta> there is no ppc irc
[07:53] <Mesta> so don't be exclusivist
[07:53] <Ruffian|Q|> Mesta, your in it :-D
[07:53] <thoreauputic> not to mention geting rid of all that unwanted crap...
[07:53] <clee> 13:53 <@tberman> a) smtp over ssl is broken. b) smtp with authentication is broken.
[07:53] <clee> daniels: REOPEN NOTFIXED
[07:54] <thoreauputic> Riddell: thanks for the tip !
[07:54] <daniels> clee: RESOLVED/DONTDOTHATTHEN
[07:54] <clee> daniels: lol
[07:54] <Mesta> Markie: PLEASE READ "And PowerPC is absolutely not a second-class citizen, and bugs are not
[07:54] <Mesta> 'prioritised' according to architecture.
[07:54] <Mesta> " written by Daniel Stone https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4125
[07:54] <daniels> Mesta: it's not been committed to the 6.8.x branch, but is in 000_stolen_from_6.8_branch_benh_ati.diff
[07:55] <daniels> which is a total misnomer, given it's only a candidate, but I forgot about it until after I uploaded, so blah, it can stay
[07:55] <daniels> i know what it means
[07:56] <Mesta> daniels:I appreciate the work done on th issue.  At present I've got ubuntu to work by hashing "Load DRI"
[07:57] <daniels> Mesta: actually, that isn't the benh fix, that's the gen_int_cntl fix, i'm horribly confused
[07:57] <daniels> Mesta: but regardless, the patch is actually in there
[07:57] <Mesta> daniels:So I guess what u're saying is that I wouldn't benefit from the fix by doing a update
[07:57] <daniels> Mesta: doing an update would fix your problem
[07:58] <daniels> Mesta: just ignore all of my comments in the bug where I said it was benh's patch, because it was another patch
[07:58] <iz> daniels, do you know if myspell-dictionary-nl and openoffice.org-hyphenation-nl not avaible are for the amd64 version?
[07:58] <bilboed> Hi, I'm trying to help somebody who's just installed an ubuntu. What bootloader does ubuntu install, and is there a graphical configuration ?
[07:58] <daniels> iz: no idea, sorry
[07:58] <iz> bilboed, grub
[07:58] <Mesta> cool In that case I'll update, actually already been doing it, and I' turn DRI on.
[07:59] <iz> dablitz :) np
[07:59] <thoreauputic> bilboed: grub by default
[07:59] <iz> err daniels :) np
[07:59] <xuzo> hi, one question: the fglrx works with xorg?
[07:59] <ogra> bilboed: what do you want to configure ?
[07:59] <Kamion> Mesta: you get to wait until binary packages are in the archive though
[07:59] <Kamion> Mesta: only the new source package is there as yet
[08:00] <StarScream> hi, finally fixed my hoary install but for some reason i can't use my speed touch usb modem anymore.
[08:00] <bilboed> thoreauputic, so I guess he'll have to configure grub by hand ? He wants to set up dual boot (windows partition on another drive)
[08:00] <StarScream> i think there is a module interfering
[08:00] <StarScream> as my speedtch module is loaded but unused.
[08:00] <iz> bilboed, grub do that for you
[08:01] <iz> bilboed, thirst install windows :)
[08:01] <StarScream> i removed all the other modules that were being used by the generic_ppp module
[08:01] <ogra> bilboed: should be done by default
[08:01] <bilboed> iz,ogra: I know it does, but he installed windows after linux :)
[08:01] <StarScream> but it still doesn't work.
[08:01] <iz> ai :)
[08:01] <ogra> bilboed: :(
[08:01] <StarScream> is anyone running warty with a speedtouch
[08:02] <StarScream> that could give me the output of lsmod
[08:02] <bilboed> iz, ogra no problem I know how to configure grub :)
[08:02] <iz> ah okay :)
[08:02] <thoreauputic> bilboed: so windows will have wiped the MBR :/
[08:02] <bilboed> thoreauputic, no he installed it on another drive.. and he chooses the drive at boot
[08:02] <Mesta> Kamion:how does one know when they are available as binary packages?
[08:02] <ogra> bilboed: you probably want to install this little app for him: www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/
[08:02] <thoreauputic> bilboed: ah, OK
[08:03] <bilboed> ogra, can he install that easily ? and will he be able to setup the grub conf with it ?
[08:03] <iz> ogra, nice tool
[08:04] <ogra> bilboed: just the two options the shots show.....
[08:04] <bilboed> ogra, we'll see that later in that case
[08:04] <ogra> bilboed: if you go up to the software site, there is a description how to add my repository to synaptic
[08:04] <TenPlus1> bob2: is there a way to view to boot-log using Ubuntu-Live to see if there's any loader/hardware errors
[08:05] <bob2> no idea
[08:05] <bilboed> ogra, yep, I noticed, quite cool that synaptic app... I wish gentoo had something similar for nUbies :)
[08:05] <wezzer> umm, after solving the x-won't-start -problem, now I have root's desktop and nautilus thinks that my home folder is /root
[08:05] <ogra> argh....107 packages from warty-security...... ugh
[08:05] <TenPlus1> there's something stopping me installing Ubuntu and even Lindows that I cant seem to find with WinXP
[08:06] <ogra> bilboed: heh....port it *g*
[08:07] <thoreauputic> wezzer: sounds like you started X as root
[08:07] <bilboed> ogra, gentoo doesn't use debs. There was a project like that at one point... but it's dead for quite some time. I guess gentoo users are... not newbies :)
[08:07] <ogra> bilboed: thats why i laughed
[08:08] <Mesta> Daniels:How does one know when they are available as binary packages?
[08:08] <ogra> Mesta: update regulary
[08:09] <bob2> Mesta: it will be done within hours
[08:09] <wezzer> thoreauputic: nope
[08:09] <Mesta> WOW!
[08:09] <wezzer> everything else is like I have on my x
[08:09] <daniels> Mesta: give it about 3h
[08:09] <wezzer> like evolution settings etc
[08:10] <Hejsan> hi how do i unmount certain filesystems using umount?
[08:10] <thoreauputic> wezzer: well, how do you get a root desktop without starting GNOME as root?
[08:10] <bob2> Hejsan: umount /blah
[08:10] <wezzer> I'm wondering that too
[08:10] <Mesta> this has got to be the most responsive distro!
[08:10] <bilboed> ogra, thx for the help anyway :)
[08:10] <ogra> :)
[08:11] <wezzer> maybe I should reinstall ubuntu
[08:11] <Hejsan> bob2: like umount /dev/hda2 ? or umount /home ?
[08:11] <bob2> Hejsan: either
[08:11] <Hejsan> bob2 okay thnx
[08:12] <Ruffian|Q|>  /join #mandrake
[08:12] <Ruffian|Q|> haha
[08:12] <Ruffian|Q|> oops
[08:12] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|Q|: traitor ! *G*
[08:12] <Hejsan> bob2: what if it says device is busy?
[08:12] <Ruffian|Q|> lol!
[08:12] <Ruffian|Q|> LOL!
[08:13] <ogra> Hejsan: it may be right
[08:13] <Mesta> especially ppc, see Markie_afk One does get PPC support here
[08:13] <bob2> Hejsan: then you stop using it before umounting it
[08:13] <bob2> Hejsan: you need to provide more detail
[08:13] <ztonzy> Hejsan, hejsan :)
[08:13] <ogra> Hejsan: do you try to unmount /home from within X ?
[08:13] <Hejsan> hejsan ztonzy =)
[08:13] <Hejsan> ogra: yes
[08:14] <bob2> you can't do that
[08:14] <ogra> Hejsan: wont work
[08:14] <bob2> what are you really trying to do?
[08:14] <Hejsan> ogra: why not?
[08:14] <ogra> Hejsan: there are files open in /home
[08:14] <ztonzy> Hejsan, vart bor du d ;) ?  (="where do you live?")
[08:14] <mirak> hi
[08:14] <ogra> Hejsan: as long as you are in X
[08:14] <Hejsan> jag bor i malm... du?
[08:14] <mirak> how to enable an scsi device just pluggued ?
[08:14] <mirak> like a scanner
[08:14] <mirak> I did not booted with it
[08:14] <ztonzy> Hejsan, lived there before summer...moved to Kvlinge
[08:14] <Hejsan> what if i boot from a linux-livecd? that mounts my /home and / devices?
[08:14] <ogra> mirak: you should not need to do anything
[08:15] <mirak> ogra: scsi is not plug and play
[08:15] <bob2> Hejsan: what are you trying to do?
[08:15] <Hejsan> ohh, so hows kvlinge then?
[08:15] <ogra> mirak: but hotplug is ;)
[08:15] <mirak> I will try to unload the scsi module
[08:15] <ztonzy> Hejsan, not fun...but I have 10/1 mbit though :)
[08:15] <mirak> ogra: I have just restarted hotplug service, but it didn't affected something
[08:15] <Hejsan> bob2 i wan't to remove the /home partition and use the space for other things
[08:15] <ztonzy> Hejsan, but way cheaper to live
[08:15] <ogra> mirak: try loading the sg module
[08:16] <mirak> ok
[08:16] <ogra> mirak: sg = scsi generic
[08:16] <bob2> Hejsan: ok...
[08:16] <mirak> pgavin: thanks
[08:16] <Hejsan> ztonzy okay... you know people in kvlinge?
[08:16] <mirak> ogra: by the way there is a bug
[08:16] <mirak> ogra: mm thanks
[08:16] <ztonzy> Hejsan, yes, part of my family
[08:16] <ogra> mirak: a bug ?
[08:17] <Hejsan> bob2 will it be possible to umount / and /home if i boot from a knoppix live cd?
[08:17] <mirak> ogra: the device created doesn't belong to the group scanner
[08:17] <mirak> ogra: so a user can't scan
[08:17] <mirak> only root can
[08:17] <ztonzy> Hejsan, if possible I might move back to Malm :)
[08:17] <Hejsan> ztonzy okay, so you are from kvlinge from the beggining?
[08:17] <ogra> mirak: which device ?
[08:17] <bob2> Hejsan: it's possible from the ubuntu one
[08:17] <mirak> I have posted this bug on the bug report
[08:17] <bob2> but I have no idea how
[08:17] <markwiz> I wish to learn how to improve behavior of Apple AirPort card; currently it is showing 15-45% signal strength and connections are erratic
[08:17] <mirak> ogra: the scanner device
[08:17] <ztonzy> Hejsan, no...more west ;)
[08:17] <Hejsan> ztonzy okay
[08:17] <ogra> mirak: are you on hoary ?
[08:17] <mirak> ogra: yes
[08:17] <ztonzy> Hejsan, so it is easy to guess
[08:17] <ogra> mirak: ah, ok
[08:18] <Hejsan> bob2 okay, but i need to boot from knoppix because i need to use qtparted
[08:18] <ogra> mirak: on warty it works, even with scsi scanners
[08:19] <Hejsan> ztonzy actually i have no idea... my guess would be lddekpinge?
[08:19] <Hejsan> geographi isn't my strongest side =)
[08:19] <ztonzy> Hejsan, ;)
[08:19] <ztonzy> if not
[08:19] <ztonzy> I would end up in sea
[08:19] <Hejsan> hehehe
[08:19] <Hejsan> k
[08:20] <ztonzy> Hejsan, and you ?
[08:20] <Hejsan> i am originally from malm
[08:20] <Hejsan> or outside malm actually
[08:20] <Hejsan> in Bara
[08:21] <ztonzy> ah
[08:21] <ztonzy> been there some
[08:21] <Hejsan> ohhh
[08:21] <Hejsan> partying here?
[08:21] <ztonzy> helped my dad fixed the former "tegelfabriken"
[08:21] <ztonzy> ;)  no...not that...
[08:21] <Hejsan> aha....
[08:21] <Hejsan> how old are you?
[08:22] <ztonzy> he is retired plumber....I am too old
[08:22] <ztonzy> 35
[08:22] <Hejsan> aha...
[08:22] <ztonzy> uh...entire channel stopped =O
[08:22] <Hejsan> hehehe
[08:23] <Hejsan> any1 knows how to umount / and /home when starting from a knoppix cd?
[08:23] <Hejsan> or prevent the cd to mount them?
[08:23] <ogra> Hejsan: they shouldnt be mounted by default
[08:24] <Hejsan> ogra: they are =(
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> Hmmm
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> Im going to quad boot with my new PC
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[08:24] <Hejsan> im trying to run qtparted and it says that hda2 is active
[08:24] <Hejsan> hda2 = /
[08:24] <TenPlus1> Did anyone have aby problems installing Ubuntu during the Hardware Detection phase ???
[08:24] <ogra> Hejsan: i never saw that
[08:25] <Hejsan> ogra: hmm, strange... mabey we have differnet versions?
[08:25] <Hejsan> ogra: i have some danish version
[08:25] <ogra> Hejsan: the last i tried was 3.6 i think
[08:26] <Hejsan> ogra: you know where i can download that?
[08:26] <lupus_> - <property name="invisible_char" translatable="yes">*</property>
[08:26] <lupus_> +  <property name="invisible_char">*</property>
[08:26] <lupus_> is the translatable=yes deprecated?
[08:26] <ogra> Hejsan: i tok it anywhere from knopper.net .... but there is also a ubuntu livecd
[08:26] <ztonzy> sorry...but does ubuntu ship a 64 bit smp kernel?
[08:27] <ztonzy> a friend wonders
[08:27] <Hejsan> ogra: yeah i tried the ubuntu live-cd but it hasn't got qtparted
[08:27] <lupus_> because glade 2.6.5 auto did this change
[08:27] <ogra> ztonzy: amg64 i guess....
[08:27] <Hejsan> and i don't know how to rezise partitions with parted
[08:27] <ztonzy> ogra, amg?  you mean amd ?
[08:27] <ogra> yep
[08:27] <ogra> typo
[08:28] <ztonzy> yeah, but it has smp support?  warty 64bit ?
[08:29] <ogra> looks like linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp
[08:29] <ztonzy> ogra, aha...I cant use 64bit myself, I have a friend that has...who wants to use it
[08:30] <ogra> oh, whats that ? linux-image-2.6-amd64-xeon
[08:30] <ztonzy> what what ?
[08:31] <ogra> i have to use amd64 for x86_64 ?
[08:31] <ogra> funny...didnt know that
[08:31] <ztonzy> ogra, you mean AMD and not Intel ?
[08:31] <ogra> ztonzy: xeon is a intel cpu
[08:32] <ztonzy> ogra, I know...  but why does it say ' linux-image-2.6-amd64-xeon'  <---- amd64
[08:32] <ogra> ztonzy: its another kernel image.....i way just astonished
[08:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ive just ordered the Ubuntu CDs
[08:33] <Pluk> i hope i get them soon :)
[08:33] <TenPlus1> me too
[08:33] <wezzer> do they cost anything?
[08:33] <Pluk> ordered a lot
[08:33] <Pluk> nothing
[08:33] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ive asked for 2 MAC 64-bit to the university lab, my teacher will kill me but who cares
[08:33] <Hejsan> they cost nothing
[08:33] <_|Imanewbie|_> wezzer: nothing
[08:33] <ogra> ztonzy: i thin intel had to make the xeon64 compatible to the amd64 standard or someting.....which is really funny, becaues its normally the other way around
[08:33] <wezzer> I was thinking, that they might be a good christmas present for my stupic friend who use windows xp
[08:33] <ztonzy> ogra, lol, yepp
[08:33] <wezzer> wow, I must order some :)
[08:33] <TenPlus1> hope the original's work ok tho
[08:33] <_|Imanewbie|_> wezzer: amem
[08:34] <Pluk> ordered 20 i386 and 10 amd64 :)
[08:34] <Hejsan> i ordered 50 cd's totally =)
[08:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> I got a friend, he is jewish, uses glasses, has an ugly girl friend and likes XP he is d00med
[08:34] <Pluk> gonna spread them on a lan
[08:34] <Pluk> hehe even better Hejsan
[08:34] <Hejsan> :)
[08:34] <TenPlus1> XP's not that bad, so long as u plug the holes... :)
[08:34] <wezzer> _|Imanewbie|_: one of my "friends" even uses the ugly windows xp theme, with big red buttons
[08:35] <wezzer> eww
[08:35] <Pluk> :D
[08:35] <wezzer> i must send him 2 ubuntu cd's
[08:35] <_|Imanewbie|_> wezzer: I cant figure out how a CS student can be happy with Windows
[08:36] <wezzer> me neither
[08:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> you can't change anything
[08:36] <TenPlus1> depends what you want to change ?
[08:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> next thing I will try on my machine is gentoo and freebsd
[08:38] <_|Imanewbie|_> TenPlus1: whatever is find crappy, like.. Windows hasa new procces for each window of Internet Explorer
[08:38] <_|Imanewbie|_> TenPlus1: and you CANT remove it
[08:38] <TenPlus1> that's why I use Firefox and not IE6 :)
[08:38] <TenPlus1> you can always find a way around the problem
[08:38] <_|Imanewbie|_> TenPlus1: Ive found linux as my way around =)
[08:38] <Kamion> that sounds like a positive improvement actually, considering how frequently IE crashes
[08:38] <_|Imanewbie|_> Kamion: lol
[08:38] <Kamion> but I think in fact they may be threads, not processes
[08:38] <TenPlus1> I'd love to be able to say that, but Ubuntu won't even install on my system... dunno why
[08:39] <Kamion> TenPlus1: what happens?
[08:39] <TenPlus1> get to hardware detection phase on install cd, 98% at the SCSI_DRIVE part then it stalls
[08:39] <Kamion> yuck, sounds like a driver issue
[08:39] <Kamion> can you switch to alt-f2?
[08:39] <TenPlus1> been looking online all afternoon for a fix but nothing...
[08:40] <Kamion> what exactly is on the screen when it hangs?
[08:40] <TenPlus1> but for some reason Knoppix and Lindows live! cd's work.. so am downloading Ubuntu live to see whats up
[08:40] <TenPlus1> Kamion: the hardw-are detection box during install... gets to 98% and stalls when it comes up SCSI3
[08:40] <Kamion> they have different kernels
[08:40] <Kamion> "SCSI3", literally? that doesn't sound right
[08:40] <Kamion> I need to know what I can grep for :)
[08:41] <TenPlus1> SCSI_3 something something... sorry, forgot the rest of the line...
[08:41] <TenPlus1> but it's definately sitting at 98% and I cant do anything but rebooot afterwards
[08:42] <ztonzy> Hejsan, how old are you?
[08:42] <wezzer> whee, I ordered 10 CD's
[08:42] <wezzer> :)
[08:42] <TenPlus1> lol
[08:43] <TenPlus1> How can u guys afford to give away FREE Ubuntu CD's ???
[08:43] <ogra> TenPlus1: with a lot of love to mankind ?
[08:43] <TenPlus1> aww... :) that's kewl...
[08:44] <Kamion> TenPlus1: if you can find the exact string that would be helpful.
[08:44] <TenPlus1> That's why I wanna use Ubuntu, cause the community side rocks!
[08:44] <_Legion_> I got a bug in my ubuntu, where do i have to report it?
[08:44] <Kamion> TenPlus1: consider it a kind of PR exercise, and think how much many companies spend on advertising ...
[08:45] <Kamion> it's a bit nicer to people than most kinds of PR, admittedly :-)
[08:45] <ogra> TenPlus1: thats because it has cool developers.....they attract cool communitys ;)
[08:45] <TenPlus1> hehe
[08:45] <_|Imanewbie|_> TenPlus1: in fact "cds" are cheap, most cost of sowtware is on the "development" profit, wich is free in linux
[08:45] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: dont forget the shipping costs
[08:46] <TenPlus1> I miss having a community, like when I had my Amiga beforehand... that was kewl
[08:46] <kandiflake> ubuntu live does not carry sshd!
[08:46] <kandiflake> wtf!
[08:46] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: this is another point this is the grat cost they will have
[08:46] <kandiflake> grrr!
[08:46] <laotse> anyone know of any issues with ubuntu default install and hotplug devices?
[08:47] <ogra> laotse: you mean the errors on boot ?
[08:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> laotse: I have, I have 2 warning about hotplug been unable to set up some stuff
[08:47] <laotse> I got ubuntu to install just fine on my new server, but after it reboots the start up hangs at hotplug devices
[08:47] <ogra> laotse: pciehp etc
[08:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> laotse: samething here but it loads oki after the warnings
[08:47] <laotse> _|Imanewbie|_ it seems to hang and not recover
[08:47] <Hejsan> ztonzy i am 20 years old...
[08:48] <ogra> laotse: doesnt boot ?
[08:48] <ztonzy> Hejsan, aah
[08:48] <emil> Bah..Can't log on to root ;_;
[08:48] <laotse> ogra the kernel comes up and things start to run, then when it says initializing hotplug system, it freezes
[08:48] <Hejsan> emil: su root ?
[08:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> emil: ubuntu is sudo based
[08:48] <ogra> emil: use sudo
[08:49] <ogra> laotse: tried to boot with different kernel options ?
[08:49] <emil> The problem is that i don't know the root-password ;_;
[08:49] <ogra> laotse: i.e. pci=noacpi
[08:49] <emil> Didn't ask me to define one under the installation
[08:49] <justdave> emil: sudo doesn't need the root password, it uses your own password.
[08:49] <ogra> emil: sudo uses _your_ pw
[08:49] <laotse> ogra not yet, haven't had a ton of time to look into it, probably research it some more tonight
[08:50] <fabbione> hmm
[08:50] <laotse> fabbione hey man
[08:50] <fabbione> laotse: try to boot linux s
[08:50] <laotse> fabbione fix my hotplug issue
[08:50] <fabbione> laotse: from there disable hotplug
[08:50] <fabbione> laotse: and let it boot
[08:50] <kensai> By God, Hoary is broken today LOL everything is messed maybe tomorrow it'll be fixed ;)
[08:50] <TenPlus1> <fingers crossed>
[08:50] <emil> # su root, then type my password? Did that. Didn't work.
[08:51] <fabbione> laotse: does it hard freeze the box?
[08:51] <laotse> fabbione it seems to, but I was just playing with it during my lunch break, haven't really tried to debug the problem yet
[08:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> emil: sudo
[08:51] <fabbione> laotse: sometimes hotplug can really take hell of a lot of time to boot
[08:51] <fabbione> laotse: s#boot#finish
[08:52] <_|Imanewbie|_> emil: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/view?searchterm=root
[08:52] <emil> Zankjoo
[08:52] <sven-eric> Howdy Folks - has anybody experiences with a parallel installation of mac os X and ubuntu - especially regarding (1) the order of installation and (2) recognition of the ibook-hardware?
[08:52] <laotse> fabbione maybe I'll turn it on again and let it sit for half an hour or so and just see if it untangles itself
[08:53] <Hejsan> emil: read this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[08:53] <laotse> fabbione I believe the numlock key was turning the light on and off now that I think about it
[08:53] <laotse> fabbione which means it was probably not hard locked
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: in that case let it run for a bit
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: hotplug is a race condition trap
[09:00] <Chand> hi
[09:00] <justdave> sven-eric: I had Mac OS X installed first (because it sets up all the special partitions in the partition map that Macs need)
[09:00] <Chand> i just upgraded openoffice.org to 1.1.3ubuntu
[09:00] <wood1> Well do I change the color of the Grub Boot Loader ?
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: worst case linux s and you are up to kill hotplug
[09:00] <Chand> openoffice 1.1.3 uses gtk1 ?
[09:00] <laotse> fabbione I'm striping the drives in this thing anyway...
[09:00] <laotse> fabbione so it's not like I'm going to be able to just yank a drive out while it's running
[09:00] <Hejsan> cya all later...
[09:00] <TenPlus1> cya
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: i guess you mean mirroring :-)
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: otherwise if you unplug a drive you can say bye bye
[09:00] <_|Imanewbie|_>  I gtg study calculus cya \o>
[09:00] <TenPlus1> cya
[09:00] <fabbione> ok i am off for the day
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: ttyl
[09:00] <_|Imanewbie|_> close
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: give a hug to wife & kids :-)
[09:00] <_|Imanewbie|_> wooops
[09:00] <laotse> fabbione later man and will do
[09:00] <laotse> fabbione although I don't know if I'll give my wife a hug for you... you lecherous bastard ;)
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: ahahaha
[09:00] <kandiflake> exit
[09:00] <wood1> How do I change the splash screen in Ubuntu ?
[09:01] <emil> *is installing MPlayer ^^
[09:04] <wasabi> Woh, update-manager is slick.
[09:06] <derek> hey, what is the advantage to gdesklets over gkrellm
[09:10] <davmor2> can anyone help me please I was used to using K3b to burn iso/cue/bin files but every time I try to install it via apt it comes with an error and shuts down. can I burn these file with the cd creator that comes with gnome or is there another app that can. Or is there a document page for cd creator.
[09:10] <stuNNed> how to delete the vfolder 'Junk' in evolution?
[09:11] <ogra> davmor2: for iso just right click....
[09:12] <ogra> davmor2: ...the iso image
[09:12] <davmor2> ogra what about cue/bin
[09:13] <wasabi> Hey, that doesn't work for me. :0
[09:13] <ogra> davmor2: nope...
[09:13] <wasabi> Nautilus can't seem to use my cdburner...
[09:13] <emil> wasabi > IDE-burner?
[09:13] <ogra> wasabi: what kind of burner ?
[09:13] <DN> woo i'm rockin windows xp
[09:13] <ogra> emil: shouldnt make a difference
[09:13] <wasabi> orge, a burner that worked fine last time I tried it on debian. ;)
[09:14] <emil> My burner didn`t work before either, until i compiled a new kernel with SCSI-emulation.
[09:14] <emil> It was an IDE, btw.
[09:14] <ogra> wasabi: what kind of burner ?
[09:14] <ogra> wasabi: ide/scsi/usb ?
[09:14] <wasabi> ide.
[09:15] <ogra> ah
[09:15] <emil> wasabi > Got a guide for you, but it's norwegian :D
[09:15] <emil> Just babelfish it.
[09:15] <ogra> hmm, it should work out of the box (on warty)
[09:15] <wasabi> i dont need a guide
[09:15] <wezzer> I recall that kernel >2.6 needed scsi-emulation for ide drives too
[09:15] <wezzer> not sure though
[09:15] <ogra> wezzer: nope
[09:16] <ogra> you call cdrecord with dev=/dev/hdX where X is the actual letter
[09:16] <ogra> nautilus should do the same
[09:16] <wasabi> cdrecord works fine, just nautilus doesn't.
[09:16] <ogra> wasabi: look in the device manager
[09:17] <wasabi> hal is fine
[09:17] <emil> Use another program to burn <D
[09:17] <ogra> wasabi: wait a sec
[09:19] <wood1> Does somebody know how to change the Splash Screen at login in Ubuntu ?
[09:19] <ogra> wasabi: look if your burner has: storage.cdrom.cdrw in the advanced tab of hal-dev-mgr
[09:19] <wasabi> it does.
[09:19] <CraHan> joy
[09:19] <ogra> wood1: the loginscreen ? or the one that comes afterwards ?
[09:19] <CraHan> all the menu icons in gnome have turned into pain folders
[09:19] <CraHan> no more game icon, or office icon
[09:19] <CraHan> all plain old folder icons
[09:19] <wood1> The one that comes after login
[09:19] <ogra> wood1: unse gconf-editor and look for apps/gnome-session
[09:19] <ogra> use
[09:19] <ogra> CraHan: hoary fun ?
[09:19] <CraHan> ogra: yessrir :)
[09:19] <wood1> ok
[09:20] <CraHan> the joys of bugtesting :)
[09:20] <CraHan> well, bug hunting
[09:20] <davmor2> wood1  can simply click computer system config login screen setup
[09:20] <wood1> I can't see the key names
[09:21] <ogra> wasabi: is the setting true (0x1) ?
[09:21] <wasabi> yes.
[09:21] <ogra> hmm
[09:21] <emil> Yeah
[09:21] <emil> Finally installed MPlayer
[09:21] <emil> graphical version :D
[09:22] <ogra> wasabi: what about gnome-volume-manager....look in Computer->Desktop settings->Removable media
[09:22] <afonit> doesn anybody know when ubutu will get around to putting firefox 1.0 in the repositories?
[09:22] <ogra> wasabi: what is in there for empty cds ?
[09:23] <mtl> I accidentally made a password for root and can now login from console as root... what do i need to do to make things back normal?
[09:23] <ogra> afonit: it will be in hoary
[09:23] <ogra> afonit: in april
[09:23] <ogra> mtl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:24] <afonit> ogra:  really? so we have to do the unstable version to do the stable releases of programs?
[09:24] <ogra> afonit: 0.9.3 was more stable when warty got released
[09:24] <wasabi> ubuntu doesn't track release of programs. they release them as a bunch... tested and integrated.
[09:24] <wasabi> at specific time periods.
[09:25] <afonit> ogra:  just so I understand, so for instance, to get the latest inkscape, I will need to be on hoary?
[09:25] <davmor2> can anyone tell me a good gui based burner that is specifically for gnome that would cover cue/bin files please (not K3b)
[09:25] <afonit> wasabi: thanks
[09:25] <wasabi> afonit: you can get the latest inkscape FROM hoary, without gettting the rest of hoary.
[09:25] <wasabi> but some dependencies will be pulled along, and that is not supported.
[09:25] <wasabi> well, not really supported.
[09:25] <wasabi> it might break. ;0
[09:25] <afonit> wasabi: how so, got a link, thanks
[09:25] <ogra> afonit: you get the well tested and stable inkscape in warty and the latest untested and unstable one in hoary, yes
[09:26] <LinuxJones> davmor2, what do you need to do with cue/bin files ?
[09:26] <afonit> thankyou all for your answeres and help, that does clarify it for me
[09:26] <defendguin> shit
[09:26] <ogra> wasabi: it surely will....once...because the dependencys of the dependencys change....
[09:26] <defendguin> i just treid running rpm --rebuilddb and i got this
[09:26] <davmor2> burn them to cd
[09:27] <wood1> ogra, how do I change the skins of Xmms ?
[09:27] <defendguin> error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#738197586 blob size(11): BAD, 8 + 16 * il(1375731752) + dl(1375731754)
[09:27] <wasabi> ogra: what nautilus says is:
[09:27] <wasabi> Reload rewritable or blank media
[09:27] <wasabi> Please replace the in-drive media by a rewritable or blank media.
[09:27] <wasabi> Yet, cdrecord burns to it just fine.
[09:27] <ogra> wood1: i dont use xmms...but right click the window would be my guess
[09:27] <CraHan> I think you need to copy the skins into a folder under .xmms and then select it by rightclicking on the xmms player and selecting skin browser
[09:27] <wood1> what do you use then ?
[09:27] <defendguin> oh damn wrong channel
[09:27] <LinuxJones> davmor2, jsut open Nautilus and right click the .iso file. If it is in .bin format just re-name it to .iso, but it should give you the option to burn to a cd.
[09:27] <ogra> wood1: rhythmbox...
[09:28] <ogra> defendguin: *grin*
[09:28] <davmor2> ta
[09:28] <wood1> I can't get rhythmbox to play my MP3s
[09:28] <ficusplanet> I have a canon powershot a75 and it isn't detected when I plug it in.  If I go to gthumb and manually choose to import photos it works fine.  What is the problem?
[09:28] <ogra> defendguin: we are debian based here, hehe
[09:28] <defendguin> ogra: yeah i know i used ubuntu too
[09:29] <ogra> wood1: the mad plugin is missing i guess: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:30] <ogra> ficusplanet: probably gthumb.... look if gnome-volume-manager works (Computer->Desktop Settings->Removable Media) and if gthumb is in the last entry
[09:30] <cornflake> how do i compile a kernel and boot it from grub?
[09:30] <CraHan> wow
[09:31] <ficusplanet> ogra, Yeah, the last entry is gthumb --import-photos.  It shows up in HAL as "Canon Digital Camera."
[09:31] <LinuxJones> cornflake, why do you want to compile a kerel ?
[09:31] <CraHan> lots of updates in hoary today
[09:31] <LinuxJones> err kernel
[09:31] <CraHan> updated like, an hour or so ago
[09:31] <CraHan> already 62 new packages to be upgraded
[09:31] <emil> Graphical MPlayer was better than i tought
[09:31] <ogra> ficusplanet: you can mount the camera regulary ?
[09:31] <CraHan> I so love the speed this is going
[09:32] <ogra> wasabi: tried different media ?
[09:32] <wasabi> ogra: no. don't care that much.
[09:33] <ficusplanet> ogra, No.   But running gthumb --import-photos manaully works.
[09:33] <m00se> hi, is anyone here using xfs filesystem on hoary?
[09:33] <ogra> m00se: on warty....
[09:33] <|QuaD|> anyone here use gdesklets?
[09:35] <m00se> ogra: with ubuntu default kernel?
[09:36] <clee> dammit
[09:36] <clee> evolution is NOT fixed
[09:36] <clee> sending mail still doesn't work
[09:36] <ogra> m00se: yep, but the warty one
[09:36] <clee> argh
[09:36] <CraHan> why would there have to even be a discussion about grub or lilo?
[09:36] <wasabi> klee'd
[09:36] <m00se> ogra: don't you get mysterious fs errors like unable ro umount / on reboot/shutdown?
[09:37] <ogra> CraHan: why would there have to ba _another_ discussion about sudo ;)
[09:37] <ogra> be
[09:37] <davmor2> wood1 download all the plugins using apt
[09:37] <CraHan> ogra: I should start one about nautilus's new way of browsing files
[09:37] <ogra> m00se: i must admit i dont do this very often....
[09:37] <CraHan> that spatial thing :)
[09:37] <ogra> m00se: but no errors
[09:37] <ogra> CraHan: grrr
[09:37] <ogra> :)
[09:37] <CraHan> heh
[09:38] <CraHan> I switched from kde to gnome at work
[09:38] <m00se> ogra: ok, thanks, maybe it's something in hoary then
[09:38] <CraHan> can't say I have any regrets so far
[09:38] <ogra> CraHan: k3b functionallity is the only one i see....
[09:38] <CraHan> no cd writer there
[09:39] <Kamion> m00se: I think those are udev bugs
[09:39] <CraHan> so that's ok
[09:39] <Kamion> m00se: see bugzilla, there are bugs imported from Debian about this
[09:39] <clee> damn
[09:40] <Timerever> i've forgot to ask back thne but, when will the new version of ubuntu be out?
[09:40] <clee> anybody else notice that Thunderbird crashes and burns on Hoary/AMD64?
[09:40] <ogra> april
[09:40] <Timerever> o.O
[09:40] <tvon|x31> Timerever: 6 month release cycle
[09:40] <tvon|x31> er
[09:40] <Timerever> that's a long time
[09:40] <tvon|x31> something like that
[09:40] <m00se> Kamion: thx, one of my problems is #4237
[09:40] <wasabi> tvoff.
[09:40] <Kamion> 6 months is very short compared to most
[09:41] <clee> ok, make that 7000+ calls deep
[09:41] <ogra> WHAT ? <Timerever> that's a long time
[09:41] <Timerever> oh so this version is out only for 1/2 month?
[09:41] <ogra> 8O
[09:41] <Kamion> any less would seriously compromise our ability to get anything done
[09:41] <m00se> Kaloz: but i had filesystem errors before udev upgrade :(
[09:41] <Kamion> Timerever: warty released mid-October; hoary will release mid-April
[09:41] <wasabi> 6 months is great.
[09:41] <wasabi> just means you gotta think up more silly names faster though
[09:41] <tvon|x31> 6 months is shorter than any other distro
[09:41] <Timerever> ogra i thought it was released back in june or something
[09:42] <ogra> Timerever: nope :)
[09:42] <Timerever> ok, then april is a nice time then
[09:42] <rhizo> fedora core release cycle is 6 months iirc
[09:42] <pridkett> tvon|x31: 6 months is about average.  Fedora is about 6 months.  Mandrake tries to do that.  Ditto with Gentoo.  OpenBSD has been doing 6 months for years now.
[09:42] <ogra> Timerever: but nobody i know releases a distro this way (they are full releases, no point releases)
[09:43] <tvon|x31> pridkett: ah
[09:43] <ogra> pridkett: oh
[09:43] <clee> Timerever: the official warty release was in October
[09:43] <Timerever> about the root thing, why not a root user?
[09:43] <clee> Timerever: There have been betas since long before then
[09:43] <pridkett> the "enterprise" distributions are much slower, such as RHEL, SEL, Solaris, etc
[09:43] <tvon|x31> you dont need a root user
[09:43] <wasabi> Timerever: name a reason why we should have a root user?
[09:43] <clee> #15551 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
[09:43] <clee> Cannot access memory at address 0x150e000
[09:43] <clee> fuck thunderbird
[09:43] <Timerever> to manage stuff?
[09:43] <ogra> Timerever: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:44] <wasabi> Timerever: sudo.
[09:44] <|QuaD|> so i take it no one uses gdesklets?
[09:44] <rhizo> clee: evolution ;)
[09:44] <clee> rhizo: if it could send my email, then that'd be nice
[09:44] <clee> rhizo: having working mail viewing is not that impressive if I can't send anything.
[09:44] <rhizo> clee: evolution can't send your mail ?!
[09:45] <clee> rhizo: SMTP is broken for me in Hoary
[09:45] <clee> rhizo: on AMD64, not sure if that makes any difference.
[09:46] <rhizo> clee: i haven't tried ubuntu yet, just waiting for my free cd shipment - decided to give it a shot on Inspiron8100 laptop
[09:46] <marioc> hello, does anyone knows how to show the icons by the first time in the desktop?
[09:48] <Timerever> right....
[09:48] <Timerever> so sudo is a command to do what?
[09:49] <Timerever> i know su command (i use it a lot)
[09:49] <ogra> Timerever: read the url ?
[09:49] <Timerever> yep
[09:49] <Timerever> but it doesn't say "sudo is a command that do xxxyyy"
[09:50] <Timerever> and i'm not in a linux box now so i can't man sudo
[09:50] <Treenaks> Timerever: type 'apropos sudo' :)
[09:50] <ogra> Timerever: hmm...you use it in front of a command that shall get executed with admin rights
[09:50] <Treenaks> sudo (8)             - execute a command as another user
[09:50] <Treenaks> Timerever: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo as well
[09:50] <EfaistOs> hi
[09:51] <EfaistOs> why galeon doesnt work anymor in hoary  ?
[09:51] <dieman> gnome 2.2 -> gnome 2.8 issues are suck-o
[09:51] <ogra> marioc: what do you mean ?
[09:51] <Timerever> so... if i do -> rm -rf /usr sudo
[09:51] <|QuaD|> i need help with gdesklets.... anyone use it
[09:51] <ogra> dieman: 2.2 -> 2.8 :o
[09:51] <Timerever> the /usr dir is deleted?
[09:52] <ogra> Timerever: the other way around....sudo in front
[09:52] <ogra> Timerever: dont try it ;)
[09:52] <Timerever> X_X
[09:52] <Timerever> so -> sudo rm -rf /usr
[09:52] <farrioth|LAG> Timerever: yes
[09:52] <Timerever> where is the password then?
[09:53] <ogra> Timerever: would kill /usr
[09:53] <ogra> Timerever: _yours_
[09:53] <farrioth|LAG> Timerever: It'll ask you for a password.
[09:53] <Timerever> oh you mean zeca3
[09:53] <Timerever> >_<
[09:53] <ogra> hehe
[09:54] <ogra> Matt|: got it since 30 min here.....
[09:54] <Matt|> ?
[09:55] <ogra> Matt|: december :)
[09:55] <Matt|> ogra, its not a race
[09:55] <ogra> hehe
[09:56] <Matt|> that is much uglier than before :(
[09:56] <Timerever> ah... and what password should i input?
[09:56] <Matt|> but december is hot tho
[09:56] <ogra> in fact i was lazy on upgrades last time.....got the whole X and a new kernel as well
[09:56] <ogra> Timerever: _yours_
[09:56] <Timerever> the whole thing i'm missing here is: who will be the "men in charge"
[09:57] <ogra> Timerever: the first user created
[09:57] <RuffianSoldier> Why when I open the command prompt in XP and type apt-get install gnome it says: 'apt-get' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.   ??
[09:57] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[09:57] <Treenaks> Timerever: the people in /etc/sudoers
[09:57] <Matt|> RuffianSoldier, its a mystery
[09:57] <Treenaks> Timerever: you can use 'visudo' to edit the list of users on the system with 'sudo access'
[09:57] <Timerever> AH! so i create a user with sudo access
[09:58] <Timerever> ain't it the same as root?
[09:58] <EfaistOs> does someone use galeon ?
[09:58] <ogra> Timerever: yep, the first user has it by default
[09:58] <Hikaru79> What media player do you folks reccomend? xine has crashed on me one too many times >_>
[09:58] <farrioth> Hikaru79: Tried mplayer?
[09:58] <ogra> Hikaru79: i use totem-xine here
[09:58] <Hikaru79> ogra, tried it... when I first got Ubuntu
[09:58] <Treenaks> Timerever: you can do the same with it as "normal" root access, but you don't have a "root password", but you have to use the normal user's password
[09:58] <Hikaru79> farrioth, nope. Is it reccomended? :)
[09:59] <farrioth> Hikaru79: I find it good.
[10:00] <Hikaru79> LMAO. ASCII filter?
[10:00] <ogra> heh
[10:01] <Timerever> but that gives all users the possibility to rm -rf /usr
[10:01] <Kamion> Timerever: no, it doesn't
[10:01] <ogra> Timerever: nope
[10:01] <Matt|> Timerever, only the admin user
[10:01] <Matt|> the first user
[10:01] <Matt|> or people you give sudo powa too
[10:01] <Matt|> *to
[10:01] <Treenaks> Timerever: no, only the users in /etc/sudoers (by default the first user, the one created during installation)
[10:02] <EfaistOs> does the GNOME 2.9 pkgs are good in hoary ?
[10:02] <Timerever> right, can i name that first user root so i don't get confused :-D
[10:02] <Kamion> Timerever: no
[10:03] <Timerever> that user name is blocked?
[10:03] <Matt|> Timerever, you can edit the people who can do sudo, and activate the root account if you like
[10:03] <Matt|> Timerever, check the wiki
[10:03] <Sensebend> if you ever need a root shell
[10:03] <Hikaru79> Which of the 'mplayer' packages in Synaptic are you supposed to install? :| They all sound right...
[10:03] <Sensebend> just type sudo -s
[10:03] <Sensebend> in your terminal
[10:03] <farrioth> Timerever: root is used by root. When you create an account, you are adding another user. root is already there.
[10:03] <Kamion> Timerever: the assumption that root has uid 0 is widespread throughout the system.
[10:04] <Matt|> Hikaru79, 586
[10:04] <ogra> Hikaru79: the one for your arch ;)
[10:04] <Matt|> Hikaru79, 686 just points to 586
[10:04] <Hikaru79> Ooh, I se
[10:04] <Hikaru79> *see
[10:04] <Hikaru79> 686 = i686 chip, I get it ^ ^;;
[10:04] <Matt|> *grins*
[10:06] <Timerever> so i create a user named Zeca with passwd zeca3, this user will do the root work is it?
[10:06] <Hikaru79> Hmm, getting error when running...
[10:06] <Hikaru79> Reading /home/hikaru79/.mplayer/codecs.conf: Can't open '/home/hikaru79/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
[10:06] <Matt|> Timerever, don't follow you
[10:06] <Hikaru79> *should* there be a codecs.conf?
[10:06] <farrioth> Timerever: Thats also a very bad password.
[10:06] <ogra> Hikaru79: not necessarily
[10:06] <Matt|> yeah mplayer needs a bit of tweaking in the settings i think
[10:07] <Hikaru79> But, it's not running without it (at least, I *think* that's the reason it's not running*
[10:07] <Hikaru79> Anything else I might be missing?
[10:08] <farrioth> Hikaru79: Does it give you any errors?
[10:08] <Timerever> Matt|: if at install time the first user i create is "Zeca" (having "zeca3" as password) will this user be like the normal root user?
[10:08] <ogra> Hikaru79: if the file is not there it reads /etc/mplayer.conf .....
[10:08] <Hikaru79> Not really, this is the closest thing I have to an error from all the output
[10:08] <Hikaru79> The codecs.conf thing
[10:08] <farrioth> Timerever: No.
[10:08] <Hikaru79> Rest looks fine
[10:08] <Timerever> why?
[10:09] <Hikaru79> Should I put the whoel output on a pasteboard>?
[10:09] <Matt|> Timerever, nope. How it works is your first user by default is allowed to use the sudo command. you can change who you wish to permit to use that command
[10:09] <ogra> Timerever: Zeca ist root
[10:09] <ogra> isnt
[10:09] <Matt|> Timerever, the sudo command gives you root permissions
[10:09] <ftwig> thinking of running a mixed system but have warty and warty-security in my sources.list - will it work in the normal way?
[10:10] <ogra> ftwig: dont mix
[10:11] <ftwig> ogra:I am trying to use ardour/jack and the version in univers is aancient
[10:12] <ftwig> ogra:what do you sugest - compile/run from tarball
[10:12] <ogra> ftwig: maybe, but you shouldnt mix.....
[10:12] <ogra> ftwig: compile from the hoary package probably?
[10:13] <ftwig> ogra:The howto for ardour is going to be very nasty then  ;(
[10:13] <ogra> ftwig ??
[10:14] <bombrill> hi all, I have a wired thing. I can hear sounds from gaim, and apps, but none from cd or mp3 !? any ideas ?
[10:15] <ogra> bombrill: which mp3 player ?
[10:15] <bombrill> I tried xmms, but when I put a cd, it doesn't work either
[10:15] <Hikaru79> Strange... on mplayer, if I fullscreen it with -fs, it just keeps the video the same size and fills everything else black -- how do I actually display the image full-screen?
[10:15] <ogra> bombrill: use the esd output plugin in xmms
[10:16] <bombrill> ok I'll try this
[10:16] <farrioth> Hikaru79: I think you may need to specify res. Check the man page.
[10:17] <ftwig> ogra:how how stable is horty
[10:17] <ftwig> ogra:can I run a warty/horty mixed system?
[10:17] <Timerever> RIGHT!!!
[10:17] <ogra> ftwig: breaks form time to time... i dont use it daily....rather ask ppl like Matt| for that
[10:17] <Timerever> i've read this page and now i understand it
[10:18] <ogra> ftwig: you shouldnt do that....
[10:18] <Timerever> a regular user is included in the sudo file
[10:18] <ftwig> ogra:I only have one box - looks like compiling from source is the only option then
[10:18] <Timerever> it says what that user can do
[10:18] <ogra> ftwig: the hoary packages depend on other packages which depend on others and so on.... if one dependency changes in the lowest level your system could break badly
[10:19] <Timerever> and when you need to do root stuff, you input your passwd
[10:19] <Cloudchaser> hello..
[10:19] <ogra> ftwig: compiling the hoary package on warty (if it works) is the best option here
[10:19] <ftwig> ogra:not being able to run a mixed system is a real drawback - used to do it all the time with main debian distros and it worked OK
[10:19] <Timerever> cause you have been already certified as a user that can do the stuff
[10:19] <Timerever> ;)
[10:19] <ogra> ftwig: you can switch completely to hoary, if you can live with the breakage
[10:20] <ftwig> ogra:if i.me going to compile would rather use current version
[10:20] <Cloudchaser> is there a way in ubuntu to be able to see hidden files in things like the file viewer and the "Create launcher"?
[10:20] <ogra> ftwig: i guess this will be more stable on the long run...but has certainly its annoyances
[10:20] <Cloudchaser> oh nm
[10:21] <Cloudchaser> i figured it out ;)
[10:21] <ogra> ftwig: so do it from source....
[10:21] <Timerever> "not being able to run a mixed system is a real drawback" ??
[10:21] <Timerever> what does it mean?
[10:21] <ftwig> ogre: I think if I can get current version working it will be worth it.
[10:21] <twisted_steel> anyone know which package has the socket library?
[10:21] <Timerever> does it mean i can't use packages that belong to the next ubuntu version
[10:22] <ftwig> aclocal: command not found when doing a autogen.sh - any ideas?
[10:22] <|QuaD|> hey, i am upgrading to hoary from warty, am i best off restarting after?
[10:22] <Timerever> ogra: care to explain it to me, please?
[10:22] <farrioth> ftwig: Is aclocal there?
[10:22] <ogra> twisted_steel: for perl ?
[10:23] <twisted_steel> ogra: for C
[10:23] <ftwig> ogre:how do I get sourcces - its new to me - and how do I specify horty sources on warty - this sounds difficult
[10:23] <ftwig> ogre:dont think so but couldent work out what the package is called
[10:23] <ftwig> ogra:dont think so but couldent work out what the package is called
[10:24] <xukun> moin
[10:26] <MobyTurbo> moin
[10:26] <ogra> twisted_steel: there is a libdmsocket-0.32.5-0-dev could it be this one ?
[10:26] <twisted_steel> I shall try :)
[10:26] <ftwig> farriouth:dont think so but couldent work out what the package is called
[10:26] <Timerever> well i'll be going now
[10:26] <Timerever> c'ya!
[10:26] <Benotti> hi
[10:26] <Benotti> if Im a newbie with linux, is this the right place?:)
[10:26] <|QuaD|> yup :)
[10:26] <JT|work> Benotti: check out #justlinux also :)
[10:26] <farrioth> Benotti: Yes, people here can help.
[10:27] <twisted_steel> ogra: nope, I need libsock
[10:27] <twisted_steel> meh
[10:28] <Benotti> im running ubuntu 64 bit and I used the starterguide to install my nvidia drivers and much more and it worked without problems:) Now I want to update firefox, thunderbird, gaim and openoffice, but Im not sure how:S
[10:28] <Benotti> Ive tried gaim 1.0.3 using first: ./configure, then make and then sudo make install. Worked, but now I cant login on msn because I havent compiled with ssl or something:S
[10:28] <Knatten> Short question: How do I add applications to the Applications-menu (Ubuntu/Gnome of course)? I installed the opera .deb, and it does not show up. Do I really need to edit ".desktop"-files by hand?
[10:28] <|QuaD|> anyone want to talk to me about the upgrade to hoary from warty?
[10:29] <|QuaD|> Benotti: use apt-get
[10:29] <|QuaD|> its easier
[10:29] <|QuaD|> are you using ubuntu?
[10:29] <|QuaD|> yes you are
[10:29] <topyli> heh
[10:29] <Knatten> who? me?
[10:29] <|QuaD|> just type "sudo apt-get install gaim" and it will install the latest one
[10:29] <siretart> huh? http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main libmagick6 5:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1.2 404 Not found?
[10:29] <siretart> whats going on there?
[10:30] <|QuaD|> Knatten: use aptget
[10:30] <Benotti> ok
[10:30] <|QuaD|> don't install debs
[10:30] <Knatten> didn't know opera was in apt
[10:30] <ftwig> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[10:30] <ftwig> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[10:30] <ftwig> S
[10:30] <ftwig> nay ideas?
[10:30] <|QuaD|> Benotti: then i would do a "sudo apt-get update"
[10:30] <|QuaD|> then "sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:30] <Benotti> but apt get doesnt have the latest firefox, thunderbird, openoffice and gaim?:(
[10:31] <ogra> Benotti: only the versions for warty...the stable versions
[10:31] <|QuaD|> are you using warty or hoary?
[10:31] <Benotti> warty
[10:31] <|QuaD|> thats why
[10:31] <|QuaD|> i would not reccomend hoary
[10:31] <|QuaD|> if you are a beginner
[10:31] <topyli> Benotti: new versions of software don't get into the stable relase of ubuntu (or any distro for that matter)
[10:31] <siretart> Benotti: do you really have to use the latest firefox version instead of a well tested and stable one?
[10:31] <Benotti> im new to linux, I wont try these dev builds just yet;)
[10:31] <twisted_steel> libsocket anyone?  I can't find the package that I need to compile my C program
[10:32] <jeddy3> does anyone got tv-out working with xfree or xorg trident driver?
[10:32] <Benotti> Id rather have firefox 1.0 yes, it has some improvement I really want. thunderbird, gaim and openoffice I dont know, but I like running latest (official release) versions:)
[10:32] <siretart> Benotti: the versions in warty are perhaps not the latest, but they are very well suported and maintained
[10:32] <ogra> twisted_steel: you mean the package that provides libsock.h i guess....there seems to be none....
[10:33] <|QuaD|> Benotti: warty isn't bleeding edge but it most likely won't break
[10:33] <topyli> Benotti: i upgraded firefox by getting the sources from hoary (the development branch) and building a package on my machine. that's pretty safe
[10:33] <ogra> twisted_steel: you can install apt-file and do reverse searches in the packages with it
[10:33] <zombics> how can i install GLIB?(i am trying to make a program a friend of mine made)
[10:33] <siretart> Benotti: if you really insist on the latest version (which nobody really recommends) you could have a mixed warty / hoary setup with selecting only the packages of hoary you really need
[10:33] <Benotti> I had tried that also some days ago, together with gaim and thunderbird. It worked, but when I rebooted my x was screwed
[10:33] <ogra> twisted_steel: i.e. find files you search in packages..... neither libsock.h or libsocket.h can be found....
[10:34] <xukun> anyone know a good howto installing smail, I need more info than man smail?
[10:34] <StarScream> hey guys having trouble wiht hoary and speedtouch usb...error is 3 lines that too much to paste?
[10:34] <ogra> zombics: is it only glib ?
[10:34] <Benotti> I guess only firefox 1.0 will be enough then if its really recommened to stick with wat ubuntu offers
[10:34] <xukun> I would say configuration
[10:34] <|QuaD|> xukun: whats smail?
[10:34] <xukun> is a mta
[10:34] <siretart> Benotti: but if anything breaks, you are almost on your own: you have to identify what broke, report that to the developers who can hopefully use your information to determine what broke and fix that.
[10:34] <|QuaD|> Benotti: i have been using the firefox thats in warty... its fine
[10:34] <zombics> ogra, its tells me :The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found
[10:35] <topyli> Benotti: two alternatives: build firefox 1.0 from hoary sources, or run the binary from mozilla.org
[10:35] <ogra> siretart: and i guess if you mix your systems you cant get support anymore....
[10:35] <siretart> ogra: that what i mean with "being on its own"..
[10:36] <Benotti> first another question: Ive now got gaim 1.0.3 installed but msn doesnt work anymore. If I use apt-get to uninstall it and then to install it again, will I then have version 1.0.0 back with msn support?
[10:36] <siretart> topyli: nope, he can also try the firefox debian packages from hoary or even sarge. that would be much easier..
[10:36] <ogra> zombics: will there be more libs you need ? so i would recommend installing gnome-core-devel else just libglib2.0-dev
[10:36] <|QuaD|> Benotti: how did you install 1.03?
[10:36] <Benotti> ./configure
[10:36] <Benotti> make
[10:36] <Benotti> sudo make install
[10:36] <ogra> siretart: :)
[10:36] <ogra> argh
[10:36] <topyli> siretart: that might pull in various libraries as dependencies. it's better to backport
[10:36] <siretart> Benotti: first try "sudo make uninstall" from the directory where you did "make install"
[10:36] <lil_anthony> anyone know if there is a mono package for debian for 1.0.4? i can't seem to get mono-mint to install for some reason
[10:37] <|QuaD|> Benotti: nope
[10:37] <siretart> topyli: are the differences that big?
[10:37] <bombrill> ogra: I'm getting fedup now :) it doesn't work with any other player, I give up... I'll try tomorow
[10:37] <Benotti> so basically where where I download and extracted gaim 1.0.3?
[10:37] <Knatten> "Package opera-static is not available, but is referred to by another package." That means opera-static is not available in apt, and I need to install with dpkg, right?
[10:37] <topyli> siretart: i don't know in this case. i always backport
[10:38] <StarScream> getting the following errors when using pppd with hoary
[10:38] <ogra> bombrill: weird.... you are on warty ?
[10:38] <StarScream> PPPoATM setdevname - remove unwanted options
[10:38] <StarScream> PPPoATM setdevname_pppoatm - SUCCESS:0.38
[10:38] <StarScream> connect(0.38): Resource temporarily unavailable
[10:38] <siretart> Benotti: whats wrong with version 1.0.0 from warty?
[10:38] <ogra> StarScream: PPPoATM ?
[10:38] <StarScream> ogra yeh UK
[10:38] <bombrill> ogra: yep...
[10:38] <ogra> StarScream: oh
[10:39] <topyli> siretart: good question. gaim works fine here with msn, yahoo, aim, and irc :)
[10:39] <siretart> topyli: :)
[10:39] <StarScream> ogra...not really sure whats going on. i think hoary is loading more modules than warty
[10:39] <Benotti> nothing, It just feels nice running the latest version:) Although now Im hearing it may be better to just stick with wat ubuntu offers so Ill do that. Altough I do want to make an exception for firefox, 1.0 has some nice improvements over 9.3
[10:39] <Benotti> 0.9.3
[10:40] <ogra> bombrill: did you try rhythmbox ? (the music player from the menu)
[10:40] <siretart> Benotti: I dont think its nice to run untested software with yet unknown bugs.
[10:40] <zombics> ogra, http://rafb.net/paste/results/N55HvE25.html
[10:40] <topyli> Benotti: i agree. but then i'll recommend building the package from debian or hoary sources. it's dead easy
[10:40] <siretart> delete that yet in my last sentence..
[10:40] <bombrill> ogra: yes :) and I can't hear a single sound... but when I receive a msg on gaim for instance, then, I do have a sound ... wierd
[10:40] <Benotti> Ive just done sudo make uninstall gaim, what should I do now? run apt-get again?
[10:40] <ftwig> ogra:just compiled jack from the CVS - now going to do ardour
[10:41] <siretart> Benotti: try `sudo apt-get install gaim`
[10:41] <topyli> Benotti: yes. apt-get install gaim
[10:41] <ogra> zombics: is universe enabled ?
[10:41] <Benotti> it says I run the newest version. Should I first quit gaim?:P
[10:41] <zombics> ogra, yea
[10:42] <ogra> zombics: sudo apt-get update ?
[10:42] <zombics> ogra, did it
[10:42] <Benotti> ill try using xchat
[10:42] <topyli> Benotti: you didn't uninstall the package (with apt) before you built the new gaim from source?
[10:42] <siretart> Benotti: i suspect that you have overwritten some file of the gaim package. perhaps you want to do a "apt-get install --reinstall gaim" first..
[10:42] <bombrill> ogra: thx anyway, I give up.. bye!
[10:42] <ogra> zombics: strange.....are you able to install at all ?
[10:42] <benoit__> hi
[10:42] <benoit__> Im benotti, running from xchat now
[10:43] <siretart> benoit__: i suspect that you have overwritten some file of the gaim package. perhaps you want to do a "apt-get install --reinstall gaim" first..
[10:43] <zombics> ogra, antill yestarday i chold let me try now....
[10:43] <benoit__> I hadnt uninstalled gaim 1.0.0
[10:44] <zombics> ogra, yea i can install....
[10:44] <ogra> zombics: you are on warty ?
[10:44] <Varg_> is it possible to upgrade Debian SID to Ubuntu hoary? In a painless manner?
[10:44] <zombics> ogra, yea
[10:45] <topyli> Varg_: if you're a sportsman :)
[10:45] <benoit__> "apt-get install --reinstall gaim"       hes installing:)
[10:45] <ogra> zombics: and main is in your sources list too ? (and you have only warty in your sources)
[10:45] <benoit__> and working, thanks:)
[10:45] <siretart> Varg_: nope. you need to know apt-pinning and apt-show-versions quite well :(
[10:46] <siretart> benoit__: :)
[10:46] <Varg_> topyli, "sportsman" meaning "someone who knows a bit about tweaking Debian" or as in "stark raving mad"?
[10:46] <siretart> benoit__: :) nice to hear
[10:46] <topyli> Varg_: i think unstable and hoary are pretty much leveled now. so you'll end up with a very nasty system
[10:46] <zombics> ogra, dint ruch the source sexsept anbeling the univese
[10:46] <Varg_> siretart, ok, I guess that answers my question :/
[10:47] <Benotti> gaim looks nicer then xchat:D
[10:47] <topyli> hehe
[10:47] <ogra> zombics: it looks as if you dont have the main repository in your list anymore
[10:47] <|QuaD|> gaim looks nicer then xchat?
[10:47] <granlatigo> hi
[10:47] <siretart> Benotti: returning to your firefox "issue": In fact, firefox 1.0 was in warty, but it has been downgraded because of serious problems with that newer version
[10:47] <Benotti> I dont know how the community of ubuntu/linux feels about using newer software then officialy supported, but should I really not update firefox to 1.0?
[10:48] <topyli> Benotti: but gaim doesn't hide server messages: "X entered the room". "Y left the room". i don't need that :)
[10:48] <Varg_> topyli, any plans to enable that possibility at some point in the future? I'd love to try ubuntu but I don't have the nerve to steamroll over my whole system :)
[10:48] <siretart> topyli: you can easily configure your irc client to ignore such messages
[10:48] <Benotti> (22:47:44) |QuaD|: gaim looks nicer then xchat?
[10:48] <Benotti> just on first look ;) But I also use gaim for msn so thats a nice mix:)
[10:48] <topyli> Varg_: i don't single-handedly mastermind ubuntu plans, but what i hear, they don't plan for that
[10:49] <farrioth> Benotti: I'm not on Ubuntu, but I've been using 'fox 1.0 since it was out.
[10:49] <|QuaD|> i use gaim for aim/msn xchat for irc
[10:49] <topyli> siretart: yes, real irc clients do that of course. gaim doesn't
[10:49] <Varg_> topyli, shame :)
[10:49] <granlatigo> I have a problem with sound in warthy, but only with normal users, root works ok...
[10:49] <|QuaD|> gaim for irc isn't good
[10:49] <Benotti> I dont use irc often though
[10:49] <|QuaD|> i don't eventhing the gaim developers use gaim irc
[10:49] <siretart> topyli: ok. gaim is not an irc client then ;)
[10:50] <ogra> granlatigo: type in a terminal: groups
[10:50] <ftwig> anyone know what the gtk+ development package is?
[10:50] <topyli> i'm just making do with an all-round solution because i have friends on all sorts of IM bullshit :)
[10:50] <ogra> granlatigo: see if audio is in the list
[10:50] <ogra> granlatigo: as a normal user
[10:50] <twisted_steel> ogra: I hate to do this to you, but can you do a quick search for 'socket.h'
[10:50] <siretart> topyli: im using irssi and centericq in the same screen session. this suits me..
[10:50] <granlatigo> ok, there i go
[10:51] <Benotti> Ive also installed mplayer with all the codes but still some files dont play. Is this because I use 64 bit or can it be solved someway?
[10:51] <farrioth> Benotti: You need to use 32bit codecs. I'm not sure of the details of this.
[10:51] <topyli> siretart: i experimented with bumblebee for a while. the concept is nice (channel all IM shite to your irc client) but it didn't work well enough :(
[10:51] <ogra> twisted_steel: heh, linux-kernel-headers: usr/include/linux/socket.h
[10:51] <Benotti> I see now its .wmv Is there any possibilty of getting those to work on 64 bit?
[10:52] <siretart> topyli: i heared about that, some friends of mine are actually using that.
[10:52] <EfaistOs> i cant use galeon because libnautilus.so.2 is not present ... how to fix this  little problem
[10:52] <twisted_steel> ogra: blast
[10:52] <farrioth> Benotti: No idea what a wmv is, so probably not.
[10:52] <twisted_steel> ogra: thanks anyway :)
[10:52] <topyli> siretart: it works, but gaim is quicker to react to all them proprietary protocol "enhancements"
[10:52] <siretart> Benotti: nope. MS wont release that format as opensource, and no one is interessted in reeimplementing it
[10:53] <Benotti> windows media video
[10:53] <|QuaD|> centericq? whats that
[10:53] <ogra> twisted_steel: there is a lot more...but all in subdirs below include/ in which else should it be ?
[10:53] <Benotti> is there a linux program I could use to convert it to another format or can this only be done in windows?
[10:53] <siretart> Benotti: the reason it works on x86 is that it can be "emulated", but the way it is emulated only works on the same hardware architecture
[10:53] <farrioth> |QuaD|: A console icq etc client. Also does MSN, AIM...
[10:53] <topyli> |QuaD|: a console multi protocol IM client
[10:54] <|QuaD|> is centericq better then naim?
[10:54] <siretart> topyli: ah. ic. i'll stay with centericq then ;)
[10:54] <EfaistOs> does someone use motorola v600 under linux ?
[10:54] <siretart> |QuaD|: i dont know naim. centericq is text mode only ;)
[10:54] <topyli> siretart: if you want console, you have it made :)
[10:54] <siretart> :)
[10:54] <twisted_steel> ogra: it should go in /usr/include
[10:54] <|QuaD|> siretart: naim is also, i like naim :)
[10:54] <|QuaD|> already brb restart time
[10:54] <twisted_steel> ogra: and needs the library as well :/
[10:55] <granlatigo> ogra: nope, each user only has it`s own group
[10:55] <ogra> twisted_steel: apt-file search usr/include/socket.h returns nothing
[10:56] <twisted_steel> ogra: hmm, actually the header seems to be there, perhaps the library has some other name
[10:56] <ogra> granlatigo: have you done it as i said ?
[10:56] <granlatigo> groups..
[10:56] <ogra> granlatigo: as the user
[10:56] <mjr> do you mean /usr/include/sys/socket.h perchance?
[10:57] <granlatigo> ogra, yep
[10:57] <mjr> (libc6-dev)
[10:57] <ogra> lol
[10:57] <twisted_steel> mjr: yes, you know perchance what the library is for linking?
[10:57] <kensai> trashapplets is broken on hoary
[10:57] <ogra> granlatigo: and it didnt return a long list of groupnames ?
[10:58] <mjr> twisted_steel, I do believe it should be libc :)
[10:58] <Benotti> it has taken my quite some time deciding I wanted to use linux and what distro. Trying them all and having many, many problems on the way, but I always said to myself that I wasnt gonna quit. Worst problem I got was that my hd got erased yesterday (luckily I had a backup of most important stuff). But now that Im actually using ubuntu and having it setup nicely Im really happy I didnt quit:)
[10:58] <ogra> mjr: sure
[10:58] <siretart> Benotti: :)
[10:58] <wasabi> Benotti: welcome to the fold
[10:58] <Snowden> hey guys
[10:58] <granlatigo> ogra, i logged in as a normal user, typed groups and it shows only 1 group with the same name
[10:58] <Benotti> and Im also happy Im learning more about linux all the time:)
[10:59] <ogra> granlatigo: do it as the first user you created while  installing
[10:59] <Benotti> now I sometimes actually understand what Im doing rather then just typing something over literally:)
[10:59] <topyli> grr. three security updates today. what's this world coming to? :)
[10:59] <granlatigo> ogra: i deleted it...
[10:59] <|QuaD|> hey, i just put hoary on and the x server is starting, but its not... weird
[10:59] <ogra> granlatigo: thats bad
[10:59] <granlatigo> ogra: but with the 1st user i had not the problem
[10:59] <ogra> granlatigo: how do you do your sudo tasks now ?
[11:00] <|QuaD|> the xserver just gives me a black screen
[11:00] <granlatigo> I have a pass for root
[11:00] <ogra> granlatigo:  :/
[11:00] <Benotti> But tomorrow Im gonna have to setup windows xp and install my games etc. And convert my .wmv videos;)
[11:00] <granlatigo> I know..   I know..
[11:00] <|QuaD|> anyone here running hoary?
[11:00] <granlatigo> it`s bad
[11:01] <ogra> granlatigo: then do as root ... hrm ... adduser $USER audio .... where $USER is the user you want to allow the music
[11:01] <kensai> |QuaD|, what happens?
[11:01] <granlatigo> let`s see..
[11:01] <twisted_steel> mjr: thanks, this crazy roommate of mine kept telling me that he needed to link to some socket library - it was of course unnecessary :)
[11:02] <ogra> granlatigo:  you will have to do this for a lot more things in the system i guess (with other groups for other tasks)
[11:02] <kensai> |QuaD|, what seems to be the problem?
[11:02] <|QuaD|> kensai: once i got an ncurses screen saying there is already an xserver running, do you want to start another one
[11:02] <mjr> twisted_steel, he might have a sunos background then ;)
[11:02] <|QuaD|> i tried clicking no
[11:02] <|QuaD|> then it happened again
[11:02] <|QuaD|> i clicked yes
[11:02] <|QuaD|> and it gave me a .1 (had .0 before)
[11:02] <|QuaD|> then i kept getting those screens
[11:02] <|QuaD|> looking through xfree logs now, not seeing anything
[11:03] <kensai> |QuaD|, why xfree logs if you have xorg?
[11:03] <granlatigo> ogra, it`s tipical that the mixer returns to lower position when i try get more volume ?
[11:03] <|QuaD|> kensai: i don't see xorg logs
[11:03] <kensai> |QuaD|, It happened to me one time but it was just a matter of reboot and everything worked fine
[11:04] <ogra> granlatigo: nope....
[11:04] <|QuaD|> should i try a reboot?
[11:04] <topyli> granlatigo: the one time i needed to be root was when i installed webmin and logged into it for the first time :)
[11:04] <kensai> |QuaD|, lets see what happens
[11:04] <|QuaD|> ok
[11:04] <|QuaD|> brb
[11:05] <ogra> topyli: he deleted his first user ....
[11:05] <topyli> ogra: ahh, nice :) sorry, i didn't follow
[11:05] <granlatigo> lol.. and after deleting it I created another with the same name & pass...
[11:05] <ogra> topyli: hmm nice ?
[11:06] <ogra> granlatigo: this one is missing all the orivileges now....
[11:06] <ogra> privileges
[11:06] <topyli> ogra: that's just joking
[11:06] <granlatigo> and all was because I deleted the icon tray of amsn...
[11:07] <ogra> topyli: that was just ironic ;)
[11:07] <|QuaD|> kensai: nope... same problem
[11:07] <kensai> |QuaD|, weird it hasn't happened to me then
[11:07] <|QuaD|> what should my X11 config files be called?
[11:08] <kensai> |QuaD|, are you looking for xorg.conf?
[11:08] <ogra> |QuaD|: look in /etc/X11
[11:08] <|QuaD|> i don't have an xorg.conf
[11:08] <|QuaD|> it didn't switch it over
[11:08] <granlatigo> ogra, I have sound now...
[11:08] <kensai> |QuaD|, you didn't switch to xorg and you are in hoary?
[11:09] <ogra> |QuaD|: you are using hoary without ....
[11:09] <topyli> granlatigo: what is the uid of your newly-created user? the first user is uid 1000
[11:09] <|QuaD|> i just did an apt-get update
[11:09] <|QuaD|> and an apt-get upgrade
[11:09] <kensai> |QuaD|, Xorg is the heart of hoary ;)
[11:09] <granlatigo> it`s nice ubuntu, less problems than rc2, debian..
[11:09] <|QuaD|> i figured it would upgrade me automatically
[11:09] <|QuaD|> should i do apt-get install xorg?
[11:10] <granlatigo> i think i have had the same problems... with mdk 9
[11:10] <ogra> granlatigo: my groups list of the first user: adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[11:10] <granlatigo> in numbers...
[11:10] <granlatigo> ogra, lol...
[11:10] <|QuaD|> kensai: should i?
[11:10] <ogra> granlatigo: add your user to these.....
[11:11] <ogra> granlatigo: else you dont have access to devices and certain files
[11:11] <granlatigo> ogra, to equal my new user to the first one..
[11:11] <granlatigo> no?
[11:11] <ogra> granlatigo: yep
[11:11] <granlatigo> ok
[11:12] <granlatigo> dialout and scanner.. not necessary
[11:12] <ogra> granlatigo: all the gui tools use sudo so you probably also want to add the user to the sudoers file
[11:12] <topyli> oh yes
[11:12] <topyli> and then disable root again :)
[11:12] <ogra> granlatigo: with visudo
[11:13] <ogra> topyli: that was my next sentence :)
[11:13] <topyli> hehe
[11:13] <|QuaD|> kensai: don't leave me :)
[11:14] <ogra> |QuaD|: if you switch, do it completely
[11:15] <|QuaD|> so i should apt-get install xserver-xorg
[11:15] <topyli> what is the fuss about xorg? who uses the new features? i just want a stable X, which hoary will probably have :)
[11:15] <granlatigo> ogra, with the fist user, when I tryed to use a gui and asked me root pass, it finally gave me an error, but in the laptop never ocurred
[11:15] <ogra> |QuaD|: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade would be best...but i dont know the state of hoary currently
[11:16] <kensai> |QuaD|, dist-upgrade
[11:16] <ogra> granlatigo: did you giver it your user password ?
[11:16] <kensai> |QuaD|, it should solve it
[11:16] <topyli> granlatigo: all ubuntu apps should ask for _your_ passwd
[11:16] <ogra> granlatigo: bacause they all use sudo
[11:16] <|QuaD|> thanks guys :)
[11:16] <topyli> granlatigo: i have some stuff from universe and *gasp* unstable, and then i have to change the menu entries from gksu to gksudo
[11:17] <ogra> granlatigo: so you gain nothing by creating a root user
[11:17] <Benotti> if I want to upgrade firefox to 1.0, should I first uninstall 0.9.3?
[11:18] <topyli> Benotti: depends. will you install a deb package or a binary package from mozilla.org?
[11:18] <Benotti> I have downloaded the package from mozilla.org
[11:18] <Benotti> tar.gz
[11:19] <topyli> Benotti: in principle, you should uninstall. but it may lead to problems. try to unpack the tarball to /opt and run it from there
[11:19] <Zugot> hoary is ok today
[11:20] <Zugot> no major problems for me
[11:20] <ogra> Zugot: so it looks good for |QuaD|
[11:20] <granlatigo> ogra: how does the system know that my actual user its not the same? because in sudoers the name is the same
[11:21] <ogra> granlatigo: your id
[11:21] <topyli> granlatigo: the system doesn't (mostly) care about the name. it's the uid
[11:21] <nogra> I upgraded to Hoary...I have no menus or other items other than background and panel(s)..how do I uninstall and then reinstall gnome?
[11:21] <ogra> granlatigo: type in a terminal: id
[11:21] <Benotti> I have the .tar.gz already untarred. How can I copy it to /opt? I need root acces, but is the only way to do it using the terminal?
[11:21] <ogra> nogra: hehe Zugwrack
[11:22] <granlatigo> but sudoers use the name, not the id
[11:22] <topyli> Benotti: don't bother moving it for now. just run the firefox binary inside it to try it
[11:23] <Benotti> $ sudo ./firefox-installer
[11:23] <Benotti> ./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:23] <nogra> ogra: So how bout it...commands to uninstall/reinstall gnome?
[11:23] <Benotti> Ive tried using the gui of apt to search for libgtk-x11, but I couldnt find it
[11:23] <Benotti> or is it something else?
[11:23] <topyli> Benotti: oh. they have an installer now :)
[11:24] <Benotti> apparently, I dont know:)
[11:24] <zombics> ogra, i am the one with that you told that i dint have the main any more(in my sources)
[11:24] <zombics> ogra, http://rafb.net/paste/results/hYToGf42.html
[11:24] <will> humm are there any copies of menu.lst for grub saved anywhere?
[11:25] <topyli> Benotti: are you sure you have the right download?
[11:25] <ogra> zombics: uncomment the security lines....hmm, but it doesnt explain why your install didnt work...weird
[11:25] <Benotti> I went to mozilla.org and cliked on the download link on the frontpage
[11:25] <Benotti> http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox&os=linux&lang=en-US
[11:25] <ogra> nogra: thanks....
[11:26] <zombics> ogra, the scoundery lines?the universe?
[11:26] <ogra> zombics: #deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[11:26] <ogra> zombics: and then upgrade first....
[11:44] <|QuaD|> is gdesklets broken?
[11:44] <ReptiX> hello
[11:44] <ReptiX> PLEASE HELP ME someone please reply
[11:44] <ReptiX> ok which pacakge of wine do i download for ubunto
[11:44] <Matt|> sup ReptiX
[11:44] <Matt|> oh dunno ;)
[11:44] <ReptiX> do i get the mandrake or slakeware one
[11:44] <topyli> |QuaD|: by design, yes :)
[11:44] <ReptiX> which one is closer
[11:44] <ReptiX> http://www.winehq.com/site/download
[11:44] <Matt|> |QuaD|, define broken
[11:44] <Tyche> Upgrading to Hoary now....ooooooh! =)
[11:44] <ogra> siretart: write one...and add it here ;) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NautilusScriptsHowto
[11:44] <Matt|> ReptiX, is there no debian package?
[11:44] <|QuaD|> topyli & Matt| explain
[11:44] <ReptiX> yea
[11:44] <ReptiX> there is
[11:44] <ogra> ReptiX: the ubuntu one
[11:44] <ReptiX> but its a .deb
[11:44] <Matt|> |QuaD|, gdesklets is pretty raw
[11:44] <ReptiX> tere is no ubuntu one ogra
[11:44] <Tyche> Ogra: Know of any direct disastrous issues going with hoary upgrades?
[11:44] <|QuaD|> Matt|: what do you mean by "raw"
[11:44] <siretart> ogra: well, thats my point: is it really whise to implement it as a nautilus skript?
[11:45] <Matt|> |QuaD|, raw = arse
[11:45] <ogra> ReptiX:  wine - Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)
[11:45] <|QuaD|> so you are saying gdesklets are arse?
[11:45] <Matt|> ReptiX, yep there is an ubuntu wine
[11:45] <ogra> ReptiX: in universe
[11:45] <Matt|> |QuaD|, yeah, now that I follow the logic through
[11:45] <ReptiX> were?
[11:45] <ReptiX> please tell me were or suplie link
[11:45] <Nivlem> Tyche: Only problem I am having is that udev/hotplug(probably hotplug) is incorrectly identifying the filesystem on my external firewire drive...
[11:46] <|QuaD|> Matt|: so it doesn't work with hoary?
[11:46] <topyli> |QuaD|: cruft on desktop is not very productive. it's also resource hungry compared to their usefulness. otherwise, they may be working perfectly :)
[11:46] <Matt|> ReptiX, you need to add wine
[11:46] <ReptiX> add wine?
[11:46] <ReptiX> what do you mean
[11:46] <Matt|> |QuaD|, not sure, it should do
[11:46] <ogra> ReptiX: enable universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[11:46] <ReptiX> ok
[11:46] <Matt|> ReptiX, yeah sorry my brain is down
[11:46] <Matt|> ReptiX, wat he said
[11:46] <ReptiX> lol
[11:46] <|QuaD|> Matt|: i am getting a python erro
[11:46] <ftwig> wow - apt-get build-dep - that is amazingly usefull
[11:46] <Matt|> |QuaD|, shoot
[11:46] <ogra> ftwig: ;)
[11:47] !dmwaters:*! Hi all! update on that main rotation server problem... Apparrently the router on it's network died, broken interface card. Sponsor says it's fixed now :)
[11:47] <Matt|> ftwig, what does that do?
[11:47] <Tyche> Nivlem: Okay, good to know...just didn't want to install and not have my system come back up! =)
[11:47] <|QuaD|> Matt|: http://www.pastebin.com/125009   those are my 2 errors
[11:48] <ftwig> orga: this should be the answer to 'what do I need to compile' yupe questions - I did it for ardour and even though I am using a tarball download pit worked
[11:48] <ftwig> Matt|: it installs ALL packaged needed to build something!
[11:48] <Matt|> |QuaD|, cool
[11:49] <Matt|> no idea
[11:49] <ftwig> Matt|: this would of daved me houres - lets here it for apt-get!
[11:49] <ogra> zombics: Package: nvidia-glx Version: 1.0.6111-1ubuntu7
[11:49] <Matt|> ftwig, i don't get it, why is that useful?
[11:49] <ogra> zombics: Architecture: amd64 :)
[11:50] <Amaranth> yippee, openoffice.org is unbusted
[11:50] <ftwig> Matt: because when trying to install from source is can be a real bugger to work out what packages you need.
[11:50] <Matt|> ok
[11:50] <reversal`> How can I edit my fstab file to allow a windows ntfs partition (hda1) user access?
[11:50] <topyli> Benotti: all i can think of is you have a bad download or something. the firefox installer (since there is one) should just work if you run it through sudo :(
[11:50] <ftwig> Matt|: and apart from that compiling sources is not that scary
[11:51] <Amaranth> reversal`: You know NTFS partitions are read-only, right?
[11:51] <Benotti> Ill download it again then
[11:51] <reversal`> yes
[11:51] <zombics> ogra, cool :)
[11:51] <ftwig> Matt|: what I dont get is whay it is not is all kernel build howtos
[11:51] <ogra> reversal`: /dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       ntfs    ro,user,noauto,umask=000  0       0
[11:51] <reversal`> thanks
[11:51] <ogra> reversal`: and create /mnt/hda1
[11:51] <ogra> reversal`: cleaner is /media/hda1
[11:51] <YokoZar> Is there an easy way to have an Ubuntu system act as a router with an extra network card?
[11:51] <amathis> anyone know about converting .nrg to .iso?
[11:52] <YokoZar> What I want to do is plug in another network card and then plug in my ip phone
[11:52] <ogra> amathis: what is nrg ? never heard that
[11:52] <ReptiX> guys there is no wine in there
[11:52] <amathis> ogra: I ripped some M$ software off of a cd.
[11:52] <ogra> ReptiX: did you reload the package lists ?
[11:52] <amathis> ogra: I want to reburn it
[11:52] <topyli> has anybody installed firefox from mozilla.org so they could help Benotti?
[11:52] <amathis> yes
[11:52] <amathis> I have
[11:52] <ReptiX> if someone will go into my os and install wine and my ati radeam card drvs i will give you a free hosting package at host41.com
[11:52] <amathis> tis' simple
[11:52] <ReptiX> 100 - 200 mb
[11:52] <ReptiX> PLEASE
[11:53] <YokoZar> Um don't use the Ubuntu wine package
[11:53] <ReptiX> i need it and i need it fast
[11:53] <ReptiX> its very important
[11:53] <YokoZar> I'm building a new wine debian package.  The Ubuntu and Debian ones are VERY out of date
[11:53] <topyli> amathis: cool, so perhaps you might walk him through, because i'm out of ideas here :(
[11:53] <amathis> ..
[11:53] <YokoZar> ReptiX: Go to winehq.org and download it from cvs
[11:53] <amathis> it isn't hard...
[11:53] <amathis> Download tar.gz
[11:53] <Benotti> same error:(
[11:53] <amathis> cd firefox-installer
[11:54] <kent> ReptiX, add universe to synaptic (check the homepage of ubuntu) and just install wine. Its  that easy.
[11:54] <amathis> ./firefox-installer
[11:54] <amathis> ./firefox
[11:54] <reversal`> Ogra: still getting john:/mnt $ mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1               mount: only root can do that
[11:54] <Benotti> error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:54] <YokoZar> kent: That would be true if the wine packages weren't 4 months out of date.  I'm a wine developer fixing them as we speak ;)
[11:54] <amathis> Benotti: apt-get install libgtk2.0-0
[11:55] <ogra> reversal`: just  mount /dev/hda1
[11:55] <Benotti> benoit@dhcppc0:~/firefox-installer $ sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0
[11:55] <Benotti> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:55] <Benotti> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:55] <Benotti> libgtk2.0-0 is already the newest version.
[11:55] <Benotti> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:55] <Benotti> weird
[11:55] <reversal`> ah, thanks a lot man <3
[11:55] <amathis> Benotti: apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[11:55] <YokoZar> ReptiX: I have a beta package you can try with newer wine version.  You still there?
[11:55] <topyli> Benotti: very weird
[11:55] <usual> gnome menu icons, borked in hoary upgrade doh
[11:56] <Benotti> benoit@dhcppc0:~/firefox-installer $ sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[11:56] <Benotti> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:56] <Benotti> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:56] <Benotti> libgtk2.0-dev is already the newest version.
[11:56] <Benotti> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:56] <Benotti> weirder:)
[11:56] <ReptiX> yes
[11:56] <ReptiX> but you have to do two things for me
[11:56] <Benotti> should I run ./firefox-installer from a special folder or something?
[11:56] <YokoZar> ReptiX: err are you comfortable editing your apt repositories list?
[11:56] <ReptiX> install my ati, that, and also get the source code of my kernal in here its not ther
[11:56] <Benotti> doing it from /home/myname right now
[11:56] <topyli> Benotti: no, it doesn't matter
[11:57] <ReptiX> i dont know whgat that is so i guess so
[11:57] <ReptiX> lol
[11:57] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I disable hotplug?
[11:57] <ogra> ReptiX: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:57] <ReptiX> LISTEN if you get my game to work
[11:58] <ReptiX> you get the hosting
[11:58] <ReptiX> thats that
[11:58] <ReptiX> can you do it pm me
[11:58] <ogra> ReptiX: read the wiki ..... for ati.... its quite easy
[11:58] <will> how do you fix overlapping partitions?
[11:58] <Benotti> Ill post my problem on linuxquestions, hopefully someone can tell me what the problem is.:S
[11:59] <ogra> will: how so you get them ?
[11:59] <YokoZar> ReptiX: I'm not doing that for you, don't need hosting.  join #winehq though, we'll guide you through the beta package there (as installing one included with Ubuntu is out of date)
[11:59] <ogra>  /so/do
[11:59] <topyli> Benotti: i'm uploading the packages i built on my homepages, get them (if i have enough room there :)