[03:21] <racarr> heh
[03:21] <racarr> as in update from REVU
[03:21] <racarr> so you don't write over
[03:21] <lupine_85> sorry about the time, I had to go miles and got caught in the snow
[03:21] <lupine_85> np racarr
[03:23] <Lutin> imbrandon, lupine_85 : is there something I am missing or upID 4667 is arch-indep ?
[03:23] <lupine_85> Lutin: it's python
[03:24] <Lutin> ok
[03:24] <racarr> geser: Uploaded a new emerald based on your fixes, thanks
[03:24] <racarr> imbrandon: Ping?
[03:24] <imbrandon> racarr, sorry afk a min phone
[03:24] <racarr> Ah, ok
[03:25] <lupine_85> racarr: so, what should I work on?
[03:25] <geser> wow, beryl-manager is already build on all archs
[03:25] <imbrandon> lupine_85, the copyright in b-s-b
[03:26] <racarr> imbrandon: What's wrong with it?
[03:26] <lupine_85> it's all quinn isn't it?
[03:26] <racarr> imbrandon: It really is 100% quinns work...so
[03:26] <imbrandon> # Beryl-Manager intl file.
[03:26] <imbrandon> # Copyright (C) 2006
[03:26] <imbrandon> # This file is distributed under the same license as the beryl-manager package.
[03:26] <imbrandon> # cyberorg , 2006.
[03:26] <imbrandon> is a litte vague
[03:26] <imbrandon> # Steveway (DE translation)
[03:26] <racarr> ...ok
[03:26] <racarr> I missed that
[03:26] <racarr> heh
[03:26] <lupine_85> heh, gotta love the translation stuff
[03:26] <Lutin> imbrandon: is this for universe or main ?
[03:27] <imbrandon> Lutin, universe for the moment, it might be promoted to main sometime in the future
[03:27] <racarr> Lutin: Universe right now, sabdfl implies we are going to try for main
[03:27] <imbrandon> ok i have to make a phone call or two, back in a few, lupine_85 catch up with racarr, we got alot done
[03:27] <racarr> imbrandon: Ok
[03:28] <racarr> lupine_85: Err, lotslotslots done...including fixing the amusing fact that the beryl-settings-simple chinese translations were attributed to (and copyright assigned to) me
[03:28] <racarr> That was the real high point
[03:30] <imbrandon> geser, all arches? its not in NEW still ?
[03:30] <lupine_85> ok
[03:30] <lupine_85> That beryl-manager part looks like a complete misnomer
[03:30] <racarr> yeah
[03:31] <lupine_85> I'm guessing trevinho ust cp'd from beryl-manager
[03:31] <lupine_85> there /is/ no intl file
[03:31] <racarr> XD
[03:31] <racarr> easy fix then
[03:32] <geser> imbrandon: beryl-manager was already in universe
[03:32] <imbrandon> geser, ahh
[03:32] <racarr> ...oh
[03:32] <racarr> I was excited for a second
[03:33] <racarr> Lutin: Let me know when you upload beryl-setting fixes so I can do the equivalent for settings-simple
[03:34] <imbrandon> ( and fix the configure hehe )
[03:34] <racarr> yeah
[03:34] <racarr> that too
[03:34] <lupine_85> so, I suppose at the end we can go through all the .diff files and merge back into beryl properly :)
[03:34] <racarr>  lupine_85: Uploading new -bindings? besides that -bindings is good to go
[03:34] <Lutin> racarr, lupine_85 : I can't get why pkg-config checks for python-gtk2 at compile-time. clues ?
[03:34] <lupine_85> it's up
[03:34] <racarr> Lutin: That's a mistake
[03:35] <racarr> Lutin: I was going to fix that after you did your upload
[03:35] <racarr> imbrandon: If you didn't catch it, lupine fixed b-s-b
[03:35] <imbrandon> racarr, you might need to fix it first , so he can test build
[03:35] <Lutin> racarr: please do it before, so I can run some build tests with the python thing
[03:35] <imbrandon> ok racarr still on the phone , i'll get it in a sec
[03:36] <lupine_85> just keep pointing me at things, people :)
[03:36] <lupine_85> I feel really guilty for running off as I did
[03:36] <lupine_85> hey... why don't we get sabdfl to help?
[03:36] <imbrandon> heh yea ..... um no
[03:36] <racarr> Lutin: Ok, uploaded
[03:36] <lupine_85> aww ;)
[03:37] <Lutin> racarr: awesome, thanks
[03:37] <racarr> lupine_85: Start looking for problems in the decorators
[03:37] <racarr> after we get *-settings-*
[03:37] <racarr> they are next
[03:38] <racarr> lupine_85: I'm working on emerald, so can you check heliodor or aquamarine?
[03:39] <lupine_85> aquamarine is near perfect, I think... I'll double-check though
[03:39] <racarr> heliodor then, hehe
[03:39] <lupine_85> onestone seems to have more of a handle on licensing than quinn ;)
[03:39] <lupine_85> ok, I'll do heliodor
[03:39] <geser> beryl-settings-simple-<IP_ADDRESS>/debian/copyright: no tarball for it?
[03:39] <racarr> geser: ?
[03:40] <racarr> aj
[03:40] <racarr> there is a tarball
[03:40] <racarr> not...sure how that got there
[03:40] <racarr> lupine_85: Why is it listed as coming from git?
[03:41] <geser> racarr: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/beryl-settings-simple-0703180955/beryl-settings-simple-<IP_ADDRESS>/debian/copyright lists a git+ssh url as download source
[03:41] <racarr> geser: Yes, I see, lupine must have done that
[03:43] <racarr> geser: That might be intentional, I can't recall exactly how we handled it earlier...
[03:43] <imbrandon> that was only for -core
[03:43] <racarr> well
[03:43] <lupine_85> racarr: not quite
[03:43] <racarr> -simple had tango icons that we removed...
[03:43] <lupine_85> exactly
[03:43] <lupine_85> and some other fixes too
[03:43] <imbrandon> ah ok
[03:43] <racarr> so, intentional
[03:43] <racarr> geser: ^
[03:43] <geser> ok
[03:43] <imbrandon> is the tarball / version done as such ?
[03:44] <imbrandon> e.g. with dfsg and git+date
[03:44] <racarr> well, the tango icons are gone in git as well
[03:44] <racarr> so it doesn't need to be dfsg
[03:44] <imbrandon> ok yea but it needs to be +git<date>
[03:44] <racarr> lupine_85: You do it or me?
[03:45] <lupine_85> racarr: you?
[03:45] <racarr> lupine_85: Ok, I will
[03:45] <lupine_85> hmm, according to debian/copyright, we're currently dual-licensing heliodor... :D
[03:45] <racarr> Also just uploaded a new one for emerald with a few copyright things (man pagers, AUTHORS file, and updated a NEWS file indicating the version was 0.1)
[03:45] <lupine_85> I assume it's safe to remove teh MIT part
[03:45] <racarr> yeah
[03:47] <lupine_85> heh, I missed all of lib/ on the first pass
[03:48] <racarr> imbrandon: Do I need to change anything in debian/ for the +git
[03:48] <racarr> or just the tarball name?
[03:48] <lupine_85> racarr: changelog
[03:48] <imbrandon> debian/changelog versioning
[03:49] <racarr> ok
[03:49] <lupine_85> heliodor up; I'll check on aquamarine now
[03:50] <racarr> err, what do I update in changelog?
[03:50] <racarr> theres already a changelog entry for the  fixes
[03:50] <Lutin> racarr: why does it check beryl-settings-bindings as well ? does it relies on it to be built ?
[03:50] <imbrandon> change the version number
[03:50] <racarr> does it need to be
[03:50] <lupine_85> racarr: the version (bit in the brackets)
[03:50] <racarr> <IP_ADDRESS>+gitDATE-0ubuntu1
[03:50] <racarr> ?
[03:50] <imbrandon> yes
[03:50] <imbrandon> err
[03:50] <imbrandon> 2.1.1?
[03:50] <racarr> Lutin: That's a mistake as well
[03:50] <imbrandon> what is it currectly ?
[03:50] <racarr> err
[03:50] <imbrandon> currently*
[03:51] <racarr> .1
[03:51] <racarr> it should be .0
[03:51] <Lutin> racarr: ok, fixing with the py thing then
[03:51] <racarr> err, no .0
[03:51] <racarr> Lutin: Ok, thanks
[03:51] <imbrandon> 0.2.1+git20070318-0ubuntu1
[03:51] <racarr> err, vaugely stupid question, is it important that the folder inside the tar
[03:52] <racarr> be namedberyl-settings-simple-0.2.1+git20070318-0ubuntu1
[03:52] <racarr> ?
[03:52] <racarr> err
[03:52] <racarr> minus the -ubuntu1
[03:52] <lupine_85> racarr: that's not important
[03:52] <lupine_85> (beryl-core isn't either)
[03:52] <imbrandon> no
[03:52] <lupine_85> rename the tar.gz to the correct form, though ;)
[03:53] <racarr> we have a bit of a confusion with .1.1
[03:53] <racarr> so I need to fix that as well
[03:55] <racarr> ok that should be good
[03:57] <racarr> ok, uploaded fixed version
[03:57] <racarr> What's up with beryl-settings-bindings?
[03:57] <racarr> uploaded to NEW yet?
[03:57] <lupine_85> ok aquamarine has 3 .po from the same person with no copyright info
[03:57] <lupine_85> (all russian)
[03:57] <racarr> lupine_85: dfsg for now, email author
[03:58] <lupine_85> b-s-b is updated, racarr
[03:58] <racarr> lupine_85: I know, wasn't sure if imbrandon had looked over it yet though
[03:58] <lupine_85> ah, gotcha#
[03:59] <racarr> lupine_85: copyright on emerald-themes all good?
[04:00] <racarr> Lutin: What's up with beryl-settings?
[04:00] <Lutin> racarr: building.
[04:00] <Lutin> racarr: had to update my pbuilder with a slow connec
[04:00] <racarr> Ah, ok
[04:02] <animimotus> jdong: well, conky or not conky that's the question :)
[04:03] <racarr> I should be able to fix settings-simple from a debdiff
[04:04] <lupine_85> racarr: emerald-themes should be fine
[04:04] <racarr> ok...as soon as Lutin gets beryl-settings up and I'm able to oprt the changes to simple
[04:04] <lupine_85> they're all GPL, an authors list is in AUTHORS, and inside each .emerald file is the full ownership details
[04:04] <racarr> and imbrandom gets back
[04:05] <racarr> we should be able to upload b-s-b, b-s and b-s-s
[04:05] <racarr> and probably heliodor
[04:05] <lupine_85> might need to mirror AUTHORS to debian/copyright, but that's it
[04:05] <Lutin> racarr: modifiying configure.ac is not enough. is it possible to re-generate a orig tarball (run autogen.sh) after those madifications ?
[04:05] <racarr> lupine_85: Yeah, probably need to I'll go ahead and do that...
[04:05] <Lutin> modifications*
[04:05] <racarr> Lutin: What do you mean?
[04:06] <Lutin> racarr: I mean that changing configure.ac is useless if you don't run autogen.sh afeter that
[04:06] <racarr> Lutin: You can just run autoconf, and when you run
[04:06] <Lutin> k
[04:06] <racarr> debuild
[04:06] <racarr> the configure changes
[04:06] <racarr> will go in the diff.gz
[04:07] <Lutin> racarr: autoconf fails with errors
[04:08] <racarr> Lutin: Which?
[04:08] <Lutin> probably needs files that aren't distributed.
[04:08] <Lutin> ./VERSION
[04:08] <racarr> yeah looks like we are missing
[04:08] <racarr> yeah
[04:08] <racarr> VERSION
[04:09] <racarr> Lutin: That can also be fixed in the diff.gz
[04:09] <Lutin> racarr: really, the simple way is to generate a new, clean tarball
[04:10] <racarr> I don't think that's the simple way, that involves making a new upstream release
[04:10] <racarr> or making it a git snapshot
[04:11] <Lutin> sigh
[04:11] <racarr> just make a VERSION file with
[04:11] <racarr> VERSION=0.2.1
[04:12] <Lutin> ...will patch configure
[04:12] <racarr> ?
[04:13] <Lutin> it's ok :)
[04:13] <racarr> ok, thanks
[04:15] <Lutin> racarr: where can I get the release tarball ?
[04:16] <racarr> Lutin: releases.beryl-project.org, but don't you have the orig.tar.gz?
[04:16] <racarr> Lutin: http://releases.beryl-project.org/0.2.1/beryl-settings-0.2.1.tar.gz
[04:17] <Lutin> racarr: just want to check what's been changed
[04:17] <racarr> Lutin: From the git snapshot, just a few packing fixes, and using GTK stock icons instead of two tango icons
[04:19] <racarr> By packing I mean widget packing
[04:20] <Lutin> k
[04:20] <racarr> But neccesary, because err without the packing fixes things go off the edge of the window strangely
[04:20] <racarr> and the icons are non GPl compatible
[04:20] <racarr> so
[04:21] <Lutin> imbrandon: ping
[04:21] <imbrandon> Lutin, i'm here but still on the phone
[04:22] <Lutin> racarr: ok. just waiting imbrandon to come back to make sure I do thing the right way about the pkg-config thing
[04:22] <imbrandon> i'll be back in action in a few
[04:22] <imbrandon> Lutin, what about it ?
[04:23] <racarr> lupine_85: Are you dfsging aquamarine?
[04:24] <Lutin> imbrandon: there are little things to change in the configure, what's the better solution: 1/ just modify configure without any patchsystem. 2/ the same, with a patchsystem. 3/patch configure.ac and call autoconf from debian/rules
[04:24] <racarr> As far as I know the best solution is to patch configure.ac and then run autoconf before building the package...but
[04:25] <imbrandon> Lutin, totaly upto you, #3 is what i would personaly dso
[04:25] <imbrandon> do*
[04:25] <racarr> why do you need to call autoconf deom debian/rules?
[04:25] <racarr> from*
[04:26] <imbrandon> racarr, because it will unpack a new tar when it tries to build on the buildd
[04:26] <imbrandon> so it neesds to apply the patch and re run the autoconf
[04:26] <racarr> but if the configure is changed (after running autoconf)
[04:26] <racarr> it will be in the diff.gz
[04:26] <Lutin> imbrandon: ok, will do that the clean way then. patchsystem and debian/rules call
[04:26] <racarr> and applied when the tar is unpacked
[04:26] <racarr> Right?
[04:26] <imbrandon> racarr, yea but thats ugly , heh
[04:26] <Lutin> racarr: ugly
[04:27] <racarr> ok
[04:27] <geser> how big are the changes to configure?
[04:27] <Lutin> lemme check
[04:27] <geser> you could patch configure and configure.ac
[04:27] <racarr> well, two lines removed in configure.ac afaik
[04:27] <imbrandon> true
[04:27] <Lutin> geser: no point in patching configure.ac if I patch configure
[04:28] <imbrandon> Lutin, sure there is incase someone else wants to regen the autoconf
[04:28] <racarr> I think he meant what I was talking about
[04:28] <racarr> patch configure.ac
[04:28] <racarr> run autoconf
[04:28] <imbrandon> no
[04:28] <imbrandon> patch them both from debian/patches
[04:28] <imbrandon> is what geser said
[04:28] <lupine_85> racarr: trying
[04:28] <Lutin> imbrandon: yep, but that'd need one more file which is not in the orig tar (./VERSION)
[04:28] <racarr> imbrandon: Mm, ok
[04:28] <lupine_85> I just can't get a tarball out
[04:29] <imbrandon> Lutin, ahh hrm
[04:29] <Lutin> imbrandon: so I can do that + add the file as a patch. it's a oneliner
[04:29] <imbrandon> right
[04:29] <Lutin> ok. thanks geser and imbrandon
[04:30] <racarr> imbrandon: -bindings should be ready to upload now...
[04:30] <imbrandon> racarr, cool ok, i'll do that in a sec
[04:30] <imbrandon> and b-s and b-s-s after Lutin is done right ?
[04:30] <racarr> b-s after Lutin is done
[04:30] <racarr> then I'm going to fix b-s-s based off a debdiff
[04:30] <imbrandon> ( just so i'm on the same page here, like i said getting tired )
[04:31] <racarr> so a bit longer for b-s-s
[04:31] <imbrandon> ok
[04:31] <imbrandon> sure thing
[04:31] <racarr> heliodor and emerald should be ready as well
[04:31] <imbrandon> brb
[04:31] <racarr> and emerald-themes
[04:31] <racarr> well emerald-themes definitely
[04:31] <racarr> heliodor and emerald lupine and I think
[04:32] <imbrandon> ok geser can you once over emerald* and heliodor , while i finish up the beryl-settings*
[04:33] <imbrandon> i'll upload them after build test geser , just make sure they arent missing something please ;)'
[04:33] <imbrandon> brb
[04:35] <racarr> Lutin: I just realized I said something wrong earlier
[04:35] <racarr> Lutin: beryl-settings isn't a git snapshot, just beryl-settings-simple
[04:35] <Lutin> racarr: what ?
[04:35] <Lutin> ok
[04:36] <racarr> and the tango icon stuff, packing fixes, etc, were also in beryl-settings-simple, heh
[04:36] <racarr> sorry, been at this for a while and my brain is melting
[04:37] <Lutin> I hate configure patching. it's nothing but pain. *g*
[04:38] <zachtib> So, I have what may be an unusual request/question...
[04:38] <zachtib> What would it take to get a package removed from the universe repository?
[04:39] <imbrandon> a good reason and a request on LP
[04:39] <imbrandon> why?
[04:39] <zachtib> Well, I'm the developer of the Deluge Bittorrent Client, and the version in Feisty is 0.4.1
[04:39] <zachtib> which is a badlyt broken release
[04:40] <imbrandon> ok , its better to update it then remove it
[04:40] <zachtib> I've been trying to get a UVF for 0.5, but it's been largely unsuccessful, and I don't want to be stuck supporting a broken version for the lifetime of feisty
[04:40] <imbrandon> soooo i would see who packaged it, poke them, file a UVFe for it stating why its broke and it will be updated
[04:40] <imbrandon> unsuccessfull how?
[04:41] <zachtib> how do I know who packaged it? I know the debian packager, but not the ubuntu one
[04:41] <zachtib> imbrandon: they won't accept it, more or less
[04:41] <racarr> lupine_85: Still having aquamarine woes?
[04:41] <zachtib> They've asked for a lot of things that I don't exactly know how to produce, or don't apply to the situation
[04:41] <imbrandon> most of the time its the same, and wont accept it why, they normaly give you a reason, i have never seen them say "no"
[04:41] <imbrandon> ahh now that is diffrent
[04:42] <imbrandon> then when you come here adn ask how to produce those things and get the UVFe ;)
[04:42] <imbrandon> if i wasent dead tired i would help but i'm about to fall asleep in my chair, if you want email me the bug number<EMAIL_ADDRESS>) and i'll look at it when i wake
[04:42] <imbrandon> and see if i cant help you
[04:42] <zachtib> for instance, they want a diff of the upstream tarballs, 0.5 is a complete rewrite of 0.4, plus it has a secondary project, python-libtorrent merged with it
[04:43] <zachtib> imbrandon: ok
[04:44] <racarr> mm, I don't have anything to do with packaging until beryl-settings is up...
[04:44] <racarr> lupine_85: know of anything else that needs to be done/
[04:44] <Lutin> racarr: VERSION=0.2.1, right ? (for the VERSION file)
[04:44] <lupine_85> just...aqua.. sorry
[04:44] <racarr> Lutin: Yeah
[04:44] <Lutin> k
[04:44] <lupine_85> i just can't get it
[04:44] <Lutin> i'm almost done
[04:45] <racarr> lupine_85: What are your problems?
[04:45] <racarr> lupine_85: Can we roll a new upstream tarball as a <IP_ADDRESS> so you don't have to dfsg?
[04:45] <lupine_85> racarr: I can't get a new tarball, full stop
[04:45] <imbrandon> why?
[04:46] <racarr> lupine_85: Did you reapply (if you unapplied somehow) the patch that fixed the error raised with the libberylsettings pkgconfig change?
[04:46] <lupine_85> as in, I ./autogen.sh and it doesn't know about make dist, make distcheck, etc
[04:46] <racarr> lupine_85: It's using KDEs build system because uh
[04:46] <racarr> yeah
[04:47] <racarr> lupine_85: We should google around for documentation
[04:47] <racarr> lupine_85: also, iXce knows
[04:48] <racarr> lupine_85: Check beryl-dev...iXce has a script
[04:50] <lupine_85> I might have a package
[04:50] <lupine_85> there's no dodgy translations in.. I removed them directly in the source and built
[04:50] <racarr> ?
[04:51] <racarr> lupine_85: http://guillaume.segu.in/aquamarineRelease.sh
[04:51] <lupine_85> ok... let's see how this goes ;)
[04:54] <geser> how tightly is emerald depending on libemeraldengine0?
[04:54] <geser> is same upstream version ok or needs it a tighter depends?
[04:54] <racarr> geser: Same upstream version is ok
[04:55] <racarr> geser: Didn't I upload a package with emerald not depending on libemeraldengine0?
[04:55] <racarr> because I don't think it should
[04:55] <racarr> but libemeraldengine0 should depend on emerald
[04:55] <geser> than use ${source:Version} (${Source-Version} is the old syntax)
[04:55] <racarr> geser: ok
[04:56] <geser> racarr: emerald doesn't depend on libemeraldengine0 anymore but libemeraldengine0 depends on emerald
[04:56] <racarr> geser: Ok, yes, that's how it's supposed to be
[04:57] <geser> so emeral doesn't link to libemeraldengine0?
[04:57] <racarr> geser: Uploaded a new package with the syntax correctly
[04:57] <racarr> geser: I can double check but I don't think it does...
[04:58] <racarr> I might misunderstand something
[04:59] <racarr> geser: Yes, it does, I was wrong
[05:00] <racarr> the dependency needs to be reversed
[05:01] <lupine_85> ok, uploading an aquamarine
[05:01] <lupine_85> aaah, forget that. that was a crap upload.
[05:02] <racarr> geser: Put up a fixed emerald
[05:02] <racarr> geser: Thanks, I completely misunderstood that (Don't mess with emerald much, heh)
[05:03] <geser> heliodor-dev: shouldn't it depend on libmetacity-dev (instead of libmetacity0)
[05:03] <racarr> Presuming you mean builddepends?
[05:03] <geser> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, beryl-dev, libmetacity0
[05:03] <geser> for Package: heliodor-dev
[05:03] <racarr> oh, no I don't think it needs a Depends on libmetacity-dev...
[05:04] <geser> doesn't ${shlibs:Depends} detect it? (also for package heliodor)
[05:05] <racarr> Yes, it should
[05:05] <imbrandon> ok fella's i need to catch a few hours sleep, geser you gonna finish helping them with the review packages and then when i wake i'll do one final once over on the things i havent uploaded already and upload the rest, sound like a plan?
[05:05] <racarr> I don't know why libmetacity0 is added
[05:05] <racarr> imbrandon: Ok, In an hour or two though I will leave until around 6:30 est...but someone else should be able to work with it
[05:05] <geser> imbrandon: will try my best
[05:05] <lupine_85> aquamarine up for real this time
[05:06] <imbrandon> geser / racarr / lupine_85 , rockin, PM me if something is still pending when you all go offline and i'll make sure to skip those
[05:06] <racarr> Lutin: Anyway I can help with -settings ?
[05:06] <Lutin> sorry guys, was on the phone. going to upload b-s in the next 5 min
[05:06] <racarr> imbrandon: Ok
[05:06] <racarr> Lutin: aha, ok
[05:06] <imbrandon> you all rock, thanks for all the hard work tonight
[05:06] <lupine_85> ok :)
[05:06] <lupine_85> you too :D
[05:06] <racarr> yeah, thanks imbrandon
[05:06] <imbrandon> i'll be back on in ~9 hours
[05:07] <racarr> okies, sounds good
[05:07] <racarr> I will be on then as well...
[05:07] <lupine_85> ah, I'll be long asleep by then
[05:08] <geser> lupine_85: isn't the depends for aquamarine on libqt3-mt detected by ${shlibs:Depends}?
[05:09] <lupine_85> ah, yes it is....
[05:11] <lupine_85> re-uploaded
[05:24] <racarr> lupine_85: Anything else that needs doing?
[05:24] <lupine_85> racarr: I don't think so
[05:24] <racarr> lupine_85: Theres a dependenyc on heliodor that will be detected by ${shlib:Depends}
[05:24] <racarr> if you want to fix that quickly...or I can
[05:26] <Lutin> geser: phew. I think Im finally done.
[05:26] <lupine_85> racarr: libmetacity0 >
[05:26] <lupine_85> ?
[05:26] <racarr> lupine_85: Yes, in the Depends:
[05:26] <racarr> Lutin: Woo! thanks!
[05:26] <lupine_85> no problem
[05:27] <lupine_85> cool, Lutin
[05:29] <lupine_85> racarr: uploads0red
[05:30] <racarr> lupine_85: funfun
[05:32] <Lutin> geser: just uploaded beryl-settings, if you want to have a look at it. just hope I haven't done anything ugly
[05:34] <racarr> I will port changes to settings-simple shortly
[05:38] <Lutin> damn, I forgot the licenses fix
[05:40] <racarr> Lutin: There was a licenses problem with beryl-settings?
[05:40] <Lutin> racarr: some po were modified
[05:40] <Lutin> 2 min, reuploading ;)
[05:41] <racarr> err I uploaded modified pos a long time ago I think
[05:41] <Lutin> ok, so no need to modify them ?
[05:42] <racarr> assuming I remember correctly and you didn't overwrite my changes
[05:42] <racarr> all is good
[05:42] <racarr> err
[05:42] <racarr> debdiff is implying you overwrote my changes
[05:42] <Lutin> racarr: yeah, thats what I'm talking about ;). I forgot to re-upload your changes
[05:42] <Lutin> fixed now
[05:42] <racarr> +# Copyright (C) YEAR THE PACKAGE'S COPYRIGHT HOLDER
[05:42] <racarr> +# This file is distributed under the same license as the PACKAGE package.
[05:42] <racarr> +# FIRST AUTHOR <EMAIL@ADDRESS>, YEAR.
[05:42] <racarr> -# This file is distributed under the same license as the Beryl Settings package.
[05:42] <racarr> -# Copyright Thruth<EMAIL_ADDRESS>2007
[05:42] <racarr> ah ok
[05:49] <racarr> mm
[05:49] <racarr> your last upload isn't showing up lutin
[05:49] <Lutin> racarr: should be in 1 min or so
[05:51] <Lutin> racarr: here it is
[05:51] <racarr> Lutin: Ah, I spoke to soon
[05:53] <Lutin> racarr: is it ok with your previous changes ?
[05:53] <racarr> Lutin: Looks like it, yes :)
[06:05] <Lutin> racarr: everything should be ok now, but I'd like some review to make sure it's ok. imbrandon ;)
[06:05] <racarr> Lutin: He's away until 9 EST
[06:07] <Lutin> racarr: yep, but he'll know I need review when he reads his awaylog :p
[06:09] <geser> linda finds only the following: E: beryl-settings; No manual page for binary beryl-settings.
[06:09] <Lutin> heh, it's an error for linda ? I wasn't aware it was possible to more anal than lintian
[06:09] <racarr> err, why would I get unknown  substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}
[06:10] <racarr> same for misc:Depends
[06:11] <Lutin> geser: btw, is shlibs:Depends useful there ? can't see the point
[06:11] <geser> misc:Depends are often filled through echo "something" >> debian/packagename.substvars
[06:11] <racarr> in beryl-settings-simple? I don't see it either...
[06:11] <racarr> the point that is
[06:11] <racarr> geser: ?
[06:12] <geser> racarr: misc:Depends are often generate through debian/rules
[06:12] <racarr> shlibs depends doesn
[06:12] <racarr> 't work on python does it?
[06:13] <geser> dh_shlibdeps is a debhelper program that is responsible for calculating
[06:13] <geser>        shared library dependencies for packages
[06:13] <geser> you don't have them normally in python programs
[06:13] <racarr> well, things like
[06:13] <racarr> python-gtk2
[06:13] <racarr> is what I meant
[06:13] <racarr> I have to manually specify those?
[06:13] <geser> yes
[06:13] <Lutin> geser: and misc either if you do nothing to generate it, right ?
[06:14] <geser> Lutin: yes, if you don't need it you can remove it
[06:14] <Lutin> ok
[06:15] <Lutin> racarr: btw, any idea why it depends on librsvg2 ?
[06:16] <racarr> Lutin: It uses gdk to load svgs which in turn uses librsvg2
[06:16] <racarr> but gdk doesn't depend on librsvg2
[06:16] <racarr> it's an optional thing I gather
[06:17] <Lutin> racarr: the package depends on python-gtk2, which depends on libgtk2
[06:17] <Lutin> and that does depend on librsvg2-common and won't change for sure
[06:18] <racarr> ah, I don't think that used to be the case
[06:18] <racarr> or maybe it did, I didn't do this packaging, heh
[06:22] <racarr> I have to go for a bit, Ill be back ground 6:40 or 7
[06:23] <racarr> though I put up a new beryl-settings-simple (still needs some work) but more or less everything not uploaded should be ready for upload
[06:23] <racarr> so once imbrandon gets back things shouhld be good
[06:40] <Lutin> lupine_85: why is the whole configure in the diff for b-s-s ??
[06:43] <tbf> grrr! who is spaming here with beryl-core uploads?
[06:43] <tbf> got about 60 messages about that already
[06:44] <tbf> Lutin: why do you need that many updates?
[06:44] <Lutin> tbf: I don't upload beryl-core ^^
[06:45] <Lutin> maybe because wa fix one thing, then another, and so on ... don't know
[06:45] <tbf> Lutin: just thought you'd do, cause the messages are from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:45] <Lutin> tbf: this is beryl-settings
[06:45] <Lutin> are 4 upload aren't *that* much
[06:46] <tbf> Lutin: this and beryl-core
[06:46] <Lutin> I've never touched beryl-core and probably never will
[06:47] <tbf> Lutin: hmm, but for beryl-settings I've also got 27 messages already
[06:48] <Lutin> for sure the problem doesn't come from me spamminng with updates
[06:48] <Lutin> I uploaded it 4 times, that's all. dunno where your probleme comes from
[06:48] <tbf> Lutin: also don't want to tell you not to work on this - or something like that
[06:48] <tbf> just wondering why there are that many beryl messages
[06:49] <tbf> hmm... some other updates are from lupine_85?
[06:50] <Lutin> there are many beryl messages it's being actively worked on since yresterday evening
[06:50] <Lutin> because*
[06:50] <Lutin> but really, 27 updates of beryl-settings is weird
[06:51] <tbf> Lutin: yup, appears like 0.2.0 was released
[06:52] <tbf> guess I'll have a look on it once aptitude knows more than just beryl-manager
[06:52] <tbf> but as I know that writing a good _window manager_ is hard, I wonder if there are plans in the beryl community to integrate beryl with some grown up window manager


[01:07] <bazhang> !hashes
[11:33] <sary> Salutations!
[11:37] <sary> Xubuntu 17.04 installer ubtiquity while installing grub-efi-amd-signed , https://imgur.com/gallery/n7DU4
[11:38] <sary> crashed.
[11:39] <diogenes_> I've had that issue on other distro, there's little you can do about it
[11:40] <sary> my first attempt was to install with/in USB BIOS lagecy mode , the boot got stuck at " A start job is running for ubuntu live cd installer ".
[11:40] <sary> that failed, so had to try in EFI mode.
[11:41] <sary> Well, am still on the live session and was offered to report a bug .. am loolking at launchpad page..
[11:42] <diogenes_> maybe you should try 16.04?
[11:44] <sary> here is the thing , this machine was flyin' 16.04 , whilst upgrading with do-release-upgrade , somehow it skiped 16.10 and went straight to 17.04 .. then it got stuck the display/login manager with no mouse/keyboard response.
[11:45] <diogenes_> sary, so reinstall the stable 16.04 and don't touch the upgrade-sist
[11:45] <diogenes_> dist*
[11:46] <sary> i want this machine to be on 17.10..
[11:46] <diogenes_> you said it was flying on 16.04?
[11:47] <sary> I'm not sure why you're trying to skip the fact that 17.04 is buggy..!
[11:47] <sary> correct.
[11:48] <diogenes_> I personally follow more conservative views, if I know that something works fine for me, what else do I need? why upgrade and have a broken system if my previous installation works fine?
[12:05] <knome> sary, 17.10 isn't released yet and it will likely have more bugs than 17.04
[12:15] <sary> diogenes_: sure that make sense , but that's not what one says to someone whois willing to test a rolling release.
[12:16] <diogenes_> sary, rolling release is a complete different story
[12:16] <sary> knome: Daily builds are out , and i doubt 17.10 will be as buggy as 17.04 , serch the web with " ubuntu bugs launchpad xubuntu 17.04 " and see ..!
[12:16] <sary> #1709306
[12:16] <Unit193> LP #1709306
[12:16] <sary> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1709306
[12:17] <sary> diogenes_: Right.
[12:25] <knome> sary, you "doubt"? i'm sorry, but i'm pretty sure 17.10 has the chance to have a majority of the same bugs as 17.04 and some additional ones that have emerged from new packages. sure, some bugs have likely been fixed too.
[12:35] <sary> knome: cant you see how crucial it is for the installer to crash! how would you feel as a new user when faced with this..!
[12:35] <sary> anyway, thanks for your contribution , i should go try to install in legacy mode.
[12:36] <knome> i understand the frustration and yes i understand it's essential
[12:37] <sary> Well that's all i came here for, now that the bug is reported i suppose my job is done!
[12:37] <sary> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1629348
[12:38] <sary> that an old bug that seems similar ..
[12:39] <sary> BTW what is the theme on the xubuntu 17.04 installer.. looks similar to elementary os .. but i didn't see it as a defualt in the installed system!
[12:40] <Unit193> If it makes you feel any better, ubiquity is maintained by the Ubuntu desktop team, not directly by Xubuntu devs.  The installer uses Greybird, the default theme.
[12:41] <sary> Unit193: thanks.
[21:28] <Mylon> So I installed some updates and after sleeping/waking, screen wouldn't turn on.  Ctrl-alt-f1 gave me a terminal so I used that to just restart.
[21:28] <Mylon> I got back to the gui and now wifi won't work.  Says device isn't ready.
[21:29] <Mylon> iwconfig lists wifi as device "wlo1", but if I type ifdown wlo1, it says not unknown interface.
[21:29] <diogenes_> tried restart one more time?
[21:30] <Mylon> I'll try it...
[21:31] <Mylon> if I can't figure out how to fix it I'll install 'vanilla' Ubunu 17.04.
[21:38] <Mylon> Nope, no luck with a restart.
[21:38] <diogenes_> tried: sudo service NetworkManager restart
[21:40] <Mylon> No luck.  The network connection gui still says device not ready.
[21:40] <diogenes_> sudo ifconfig
[21:40] <Mylon> Huh, wlo1 isn't there anymore.
[21:41] <diogenes_> interesting\
[21:41] <diogenes_> try sudo rfkill unblock all
[21:42] <Mylon> No change to ifconfig
[21:43] <diogenes_> if you have an installation media, you can try booting a live session and see if it works in there
[21:43] <Mylon> iwconfig shows the device, but ifconfig does not
[21:43] <diogenes_> have a look at available drivers
[21:44] <Mylon> I'm making a 17.04 media right now.
[21:46] <diogenes_> ok
[21:49] <Mylon> I have no idea if the user data partition will survive an install, but nothing important is on there so this might be an interesting experience.
[21:51] <diogenes_> if you have a separate /home partition then it will survive
[21:51] <Mylon> My other laptotp is running some weird hack of kubuntu with xfce installed over it and it behaves nothing like my problem computer...
[21:52] <Mylon> But then again, software packages aren't getting updated so it's gonna be a liability soon.
[22:08] <Mylon> And... It works.
[22:08] <Mylon> Except for this eyesore bar on the left side...
[22:12] <diogenes_> cool
[22:19] <Unit193> Mylon: First issue sounds like light-locker btw, there's a faq on the Xubuntu site listing solutions.
[22:22] <Mylon> Light-locker?
[22:34] <Mylon> Why oh why...
[22:34] <Mylon> Windows 10 reversed the direction of scrolling and Ubuntu 16.04 followed that move.


[00:00] <setuid> I'm having trouble with coming out of resume using nvidia on Lucid
[00:00] <setuid> Anyone else able to replicateit?
[00:00] <setuid> I have a blinking cursor in upper-left corner, and after several attempts at ctrl-alt-f1-f6, I can eventually hit alt-f7 and get to the gdm login menu.
[00:03] <Sarvatt> just curious, what does cat /etc/default/console-setup | grep XKBOPTIONS return for you?
[00:03] <setuid> # cat /etc/default/console-setup | grep XKBOPTIONS
[00:03] <setuid> XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch"
[00:03] <jcristau> it returns 'useless use of cat' ;)
[00:03] <setuid> console is a mess at boot, unless I pass vga=0... this is a big difference from karmic and jaunty
[00:04] <Sarvatt> good point :D i was curious because alt+fkey is actually what I need to do to switch VT's outside of X and I had an option breaking control+alt+fkey
[00:04] <setuid> I had a 1920x1200 console at boot with those, but with Karmic, unless I pass vga=0, I get all kinds of colored pixel garble, in two identical vertical columns
[00:06] <bryceh> afaik resume on nvidia is broken for everyone
[00:07] <bryceh> we were messing with it last week at the developer sprint but couldn't see any nvidia user get it to resume successfully
[00:07] <setuid> It resumes fine, just takes a lot of vt switching to get it to go back into X
[00:07] <setuid> it's always worked great, until Lucid
[00:08] <johanbr> I can also resume with the proprietary, but I get graphical artifacts if compositing is enabled
[00:08] <johanbr> *proprietary driver
[00:08] <setuid> Coming out of resume on Karmic and Jaunty to the gdm menu was about 3-4 seconds after opening the laptop. This takes about 30 seconds and a lot of ctrl-alt-fx'ing
[00:09] <bryceh> setuid, johanbr, then I think count yourself lucky ;-)
[00:09] <bryceh> if you are interested in participating in debugging and patching the issue, contact tseliot
[00:10] <setuid> Didn't he die in 1965?
[00:11] <Sarvatt> i'd like to figure out why alt+fkey is whats needed for vt switching now instead of control+alt+fkey :) when I had grp:ctrl_alt_toggle in my xkboptions I wasn't able to use control+alt+f at all, without it it at least ignores the control
[00:14] <Sarvatt> bryceh: that seemed like it all, just added the backing out libdrm/plymouth/udev patches for lucid+1 part
[00:14] <bryceh> ok thanks
[00:19] <raevol> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Drivers will this page be updated for karmic/lucid?
[00:19] <bryceh> raevol, go ahead if you'd like to update it
[00:20] <bryceh> if I have some time later I'll add to it
[00:20] <raevol> :[ i don't actually know anything about the drivers aside from Karmic not having 3d support
[00:21] <bryceh> I hadn't really given much priority to updating that page since you are actually the first person I have evidence of having even looked at it ;-)
[00:22] <raevol> hahah ;D
[00:22] <bryceh> maybe it should be deleted
[00:22] <raevol> planet ubuntu just had a post about testing the proprietyary drivers, and linked the ubtuntu X wiki page for info on the open source ones
[00:22] <raevol> and i clicked through to that because i am hoping against hope we get 3d support for r600 in lucid
[00:23] <setuid> I've been looking around for some 'live wallpaper' ideas for the Ubuntu desktop... back in the day, we used to run things like xplanet, glmatrix, etc. in the root window, but that's not the same thing.
[00:23] <setuid>  Anyone know of a Nexus One style live wallpaper app for Ubuntu?
[00:26] <bryceh> setuid, not really the right channel for that question, try #ubuntu-desktop maybe
[00:26] <setuid> hahah, first I tried #ubuntu+1 because the problems I'm hitting are in Lucid only, they told me to go here, because they're X related... so I ask an X question, and that belongs in #ubuntu-desktop :)
[00:27] <raevol> gotta run, bye
[05:43] <bryceh> RAOF, Sarvatt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/NouveauEvaluation
[05:44] <RAOF> I think you meant “grep _dr*v*.so /var/log/Xorg.0.log...”
[05:45] <RAOF> (If you're still editing that page)
[05:45] <bryceh> modified
[05:45] <bryceh> is that actually needed?  I've seen only _drv.so
[05:46] <RAOF> Oh, I meant you currently have grep _dri.so rather than grep _drv.so
[05:47] <RAOF> Also, users should be able to get away with just installing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (& possibly the appropriate linux-backports-modules-nouveau); novueau-firmware will get pulled in by l-b-m-n.
[05:47] <bryceh> ahh
[05:47] <RAOF> Hm.  And it's missing a apt-get upgrade; the newer X won't get pulled in automatically.
[05:48] <bryceh> `grep _dr*v*.so /var/log/Xorg.0.log`  actually did work on the cmdline :-D
[05:48] <RAOF> :)
[05:49] <bryceh> RAOF, go ahead and edit those switching directions into correctness
[05:49] <bryceh> this is actually based off my experience pulling from xorg-edgers last week, I just cribbed it to the nouveau ppa, I've not actually run through and tested it yet (on the todo list for tomorrow)
[05:50] <RAOF> Ok.  Is there a particular reason you didn't use “add-apt-repository”, or can I change that, too?
[05:51] <bryceh> go ahead
[05:51] <bryceh> I just wasn't aware of that tool
[05:51] <RAOF> Oh, it's really neet.
[05:52] <bryceh> my lamitude is irredeemable
[05:56] <RAOF> There we go.
[06:04] <bryceh> thanks
[06:05] <bryceh> btw, did you get good feedback from your call from testing the other week?
[06:10] <bryceh> Is this a reasonable way to advise people to shut off KMS if needed?
[06:11] <bryceh> # Intel:
[06:11] <bryceh> echo i915.modeset=0 > /etc/modprob.d/i915-kms.conf
[06:11] <bryceh> # ATI Radeon:
[06:11] <bryceh> echo radeon.modeset=0 > /etc/modprob.d/radeon-kms.conf
[06:11] <bryceh> # Nouveau:
[06:11] <bryceh> echo lbm_nouveau.modeset=0 > /etc/modprob.d/lbm_nouveau-kms.conf
[06:12] <tjaalton> nouveau only supports kms
[06:12] <bryceh> tjaalton, ah, right
[07:08] <RAOF> bryceh: I got a much smaller response to the call for testing than I expected.  No one reported show-stoppers, though.
[07:09] <bryceh> well that's good
[07:10] <bryceh> then we should do another call with this new ppa and the testing page.  I've had a few people promise to do nouveau testing when it's ready, so maybe I'll call in those chits
[07:11] <tjaalton> RAOF: I've got gf8600/9600/some quadro, need testing on those?
[07:12] <tjaalton> quadro nvs 295 or so
[07:14] <bryceh> tjaalton, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/NouveauEvaluation
[07:14] <bryceh> if you ran through that to sanity check the directions it would be quite helpful
[07:14] <tjaalton> sure
[07:23] <ara> bryceh, xorg as package (from where you can reroot them) is a good choice for people to report bugs on the prop drivers project?
[07:25] <RAOF> tjaalton: Everything's worth testing.  Frankly, I think everything that's not an IGP is going to be solid; it's the IGPs I'd worry about.
[07:25] <bryceh> ara, that's fine
[07:26] <tjaalton> RAOF: ok
[15:06] <Sarvatt> a nvaa IGP seems to be working now surprisingly
[15:08] <Sarvatt> tried my 8200 out, didn't try 3D out but 2D was working. it's in my HTPC and the wife wanted the tv back so I couldn't try it long :D
[16:09] <Sarvatt> apw: regarding https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/404064 -- a fix has been cced to stable http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2010-February/005803.html
[16:09] <apw> Sarvatt, hi
[16:12] <Sarvatt> heyo! sorry to ping you, i was just scanning through bugs fixed by recent patches going into drm-intel-next and that one was assigned to you so thought you might want to know
[16:15] <apw> ahh i see that now, missed the second link on first view
[16:16] <apw> Sarvatt, i've added a link in the bug
[16:18] <Sarvatt> the patch is actually attached in the upstream bug report thats already linked too
[16:18] <apw> sweet
[16:33] <bryceh> morning
[16:33] <Sarvatt> any way to search the logs attached to bug reports on launchpad through the web interface? doesn't look like a search checks those
[16:33] <Sarvatt> i'm looking for errors with [drm:i915_gem_object_pin] *ERROR* Failure to install fence: -28 fixed by a recent libdrm commit
[16:42] <Sarvatt> morning bryceh
[16:42] <bryceh> no, the web interface doesn't provide a way to search them
[16:43] <Sarvatt> btw, how do we get the hwdb id for the nouveauevaluation wiki page?
[16:43] <bryceh> there have been launchpadlib tools written which do that though, if you'd like to try your hand at crafting them
[16:43] <bryceh> Sarvatt, I'm a bit fuzzy on how that works.  I think the user gets it when they sign up
[16:43] <bryceh> and if we have the id, we can look up the info
[16:44] <bryceh> but there isn't a way for us, knowing the person, to find their hw
[16:44] <Sarvatt> when we sign up for what?
[16:46] <bryceh> for the hwdb
[16:48] <Sarvatt> hmm i dont see hwdb-client or hwdb-gui in lucid
[17:13] <jbarnes> Sarvatt: looks like ickle just posted a fix for the libdrm crash you mentioned yesterday
[17:14] <Sarvatt> it didn't fix 945 for me, already tested it :(
[17:15] <jbarnes> damn was hoping it was fence reg overallocation
[17:15] <Sarvatt> crashed after 7 minutes
[17:16] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.com/f4a62401d
[17:20] <Sarvatt> commit message said it was just changing i915 and prior but i have 3 fences reserved on 945 too
[17:46] <Sarvatt> actually, it was a bit different, theres no uxa_prepare_access() error before the hang like there normally was - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/intel_crashes/02092010/
[17:46] <Sarvatt> in Xorg.0.log
[17:48] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/intel_crashes/Xorg.0.log
[17:49] <Sarvatt> thats what the hangs looked like before that libdrm commit
[18:35] <Sarvatt> Duke`: are you around?
[18:36] <Sarvatt> i just set up a 14 patch series for libdrm to revert intel back to 11-25 incase you want to try it with me to see if it still works
[18:36] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/intel_crashes/libdrm-reverts/
[18:41] <Sarvatt> just installed that and am building intel git against it to see if its still working right
[18:42] <Sarvatt> uploaded the debs incase you wanted them too
[19:05] <Sarvatt> bryceh: got enough ppa's? :D
[19:05] <Sarvatt> trying to find your cairo 1.9 snapshot to see if cairo-trace is in it
[19:09] <Sarvatt> woohoo it is built with your package, just not installed. that saves me alot of time :D
[19:25] <kklimonda> Sarvatt, I get some color corruption - see the end of this dmesg: http://pastebin.com/f3ab3aa06
[19:25] <kklimonda> Sarvatt, to be more precise it's font color corruption
[19:26] <Sarvatt> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=AIII,+invalid/inactive+channel+id+128
[19:26] <Sarvatt> funny the first hits are your exact gpu :D
[19:27] <kklimonda> heh :)
[19:30] <Sarvatt> were you watching a video when it happened?
[19:31] <Sarvatt> or opening a folder with videos getting thumbnailed in nautilus?
[19:41] <Sarvatt> kklimonda: <stillunknown> Sarvatt: that one (i guess), there's a patch, just hasn't hit upstream yet
[19:42] <Sarvatt> from #nouveau
[19:42] <Sarvatt> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/nouveau/linux-2.6/commit/?id=250cc31f35f00b5dd4b76e6c0bb9425b4fe23304
[19:45] <Sarvatt> will make a new lbm-nouveau with nouveau git instead of linus git in edgers sometime
[19:49] <Sarvatt> we want testing with linus git though, if anything i'll try cherry-picking that into linus' tree and build a new lbm-nouveau but i can't at the moment because cloning kernel git will take a year on a tethered phone connection :)
[19:49] <kklimonda> hehe
[19:50] <Sarvatt> if anything you could grab the source, then grab http://cgit.freedesktop.org/nouveau/linux-2.6/patch/?id=250cc31f35f00b5dd4b76e6c0bb9425b4fe23304 then change the patch paths at the to a/updates/nouveau/whatever.c b/updates/nouveau/whatever.c and apply it  by hand with patch -p1 and rebuild
[19:50] <Sarvatt> the linux-backports-modules-nouveau-whatever source that is
[19:51] <kklimonda> Sarvatt, will do if it gets more distracting than it is now
[19:54] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/nouveau_pgraph.patch
[19:54] <Sarvatt> that should apply with patch -p1 < nouveau_pgraph.patch from the linux-backports-modules-whatever/ directory
[19:55] <Sarvatt> thanks for that though, something we should probably pick up if it doesnt go upstream in time :D
[20:07] <tseliot> superm1: did you upload a new DKMS in Karmic with my  patch to fix bug #474917 ?
[20:08] <tseliot> if you don't plan to upload an update I'll mark the task for karmic as a won't fix
[20:09] <superm1> tseliot, didn't upload to karmic, probably wont at this point
[20:09] <superm1> should be fixed in lucid however
[20:09] <tseliot> superm1: yes, I know. I just wanted to double check with you
[20:16] <tseliot> superm1: also, did you have the chance to work on fglrx?
[20:18] <superm1> tseliot, yeah i think most of the conversion necessary should be done, but you should double check my work
[20:18] <superm1> it's all on phorogit
[20:18] <tseliot> superm1: ok, let me check
[20:18] <superm1> since we dont have a (working) driver for lucid right now, it was a bit hard to verify
[20:45] <tseliot> superm1: I made these changes (on the basis of what we do with nvidia): http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/372728/
[20:46] <superm1> tseliot, that first set of changes should be in dkms's common.postinst
[20:46] <tseliot> right, but can I use them if I source from that file?
[20:47] <tseliot> without executing the rest of the script, that is
[20:47] <superm1> tseliot, Oh.  hm.
[20:47] <superm1> what's update-initramfs's behavior without the -k flag?
[20:49] <tseliot> superm1: it updates the kernel grub defaults to
[20:50] <superm1> hm well  i understand better why you've  got that in place now...
[20:52] <superm1> i guess that's the only way to do it for now then
[20:52] <superm1> I wish there was a cleaner way
[20:56]  * tseliot nods
[21:01] <tseliot> superm1: I think I'll push my changes
[21:01] <superm1> tseliot, okay.  do you know what piece is incompatible with the current fglrx in the X stack?
[21:02] <superm1> perhaps you can revert that single piece to the karmic version to be able to test all this
[21:02] <tseliot> superm1: they didn't tell me what's missing but it mustn't be trivial if it's taking so long
[21:03] <superm1> tseliot, well a lot of that is probably their development process too.  they normally develop 2-3 releases out
[21:03] <tseliot> superm1: yes, of course it must be a matter of priorities too
[21:08] <bryceh> I am actually a bit surprised they did not already put out a driver that works with xserver 1.7
[21:09] <tjaalton> tseliot: please make it provide the abi again and conflict with the current server. no reason to let people install it just to see the server crash
[21:10] <bryceh> I would love it if they'd fix their development process to deliver released drivers in time for ubuntu.  Receiving those pre-release drops ends up just making everyone paranoid about canonical
[21:11] <tseliot> tjaalton: that's a good idea
[21:11] <superm1> I dunno, maybe as a patch to the packages carried in ubuntu
[21:12] <tjaalton> tseliot: just providing the old abi is enough to make it conflict
[21:12] <tseliot> bryceh: right, but I have a *secret driver* so they're not being paranoid :-P
[21:12] <superm1> it's hard to gauge which releases get supported by the packaging kept in phorogit sometimes
[21:12] <bryceh> tseliot, you're a very sinister guy
[21:12] <superm1> and if you forget to update one of them, then suddenly a release that should work won't
[21:13] <tseliot> bryceh: I am. Furthermore I'm working from our secret lab in Lexington right now :-P
[21:13] <bryceh> say hi for me :-)
[21:13] <tseliot> superm1: do you mean a patch which changes the control file?
[21:14] <tjaalton> tseliot: btw, what's wrong with the e71?-)
[21:14] <tseliot> bryceh: sure, I'll say hi to dr. evil :-P
[21:14] <superm1> tseliot, just for now maybe uploading to lucid something that conflicts with the current x server
[21:14] <superm1> but not making that change in the upstream packaging
[21:14] <bryceh> btw, are you subbed to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[21:15] <tseliot> tjaalton: the browser is an abomination. I can't even login on launchpad or on the website which should allow me to have my wifi connection in the hotel. Furthermore I keep pressing the "p" key when I try to hang up...
[21:15] <tjaalton> tseliot: heh yeah, the browser sucks. opera might be better though
[21:16] <tseliot> superm1: aah, ok, that would definitely be better
[21:16] <tseliot> bryceh: yes, I did
[21:16] <tseliot> tjaalton: I'll try webkit when I get my nexus
[21:16] <tseliot> :-)
[21:16] <tjaalton> tseliot: boo :)
[21:17] <tseliot> :-D
[21:48] <jcastro> ok
[22:16] <Duke`> Sarvatt, I'm x86_64, your packages are i386
[22:34] <RAOF> bryceh: Oh!  I've just noticed something obvious missing from the nouveau testing page: suspend/resume.  I'll add that in.
[22:35] <bryceh> RAOF, aha thanks
[22:49] <Sarvatt> can you build it yourself Duke`?
[22:49] <Sarvatt> i'll send the source if you want
[22:54] <Sarvatt> Duke`: grab xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.10.0+git20100209.41784e15-0ubuntu0sarvatt2~karmic* from http://sarvatt.com/downloads/intel_crashes/libdrm-reverts/ then dpkg-source -x xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.10.0+git20100209.41784e15-0ubuntu0sarvatt2~karmic.dsc
[22:59] <Duke`> Sarvatt, I'll see what I can do tomorrow, I need to go  to bed now or I'll have an hard day :)
[23:00] <Duke`> good night


[02:51] <tgm4883_laptop> !diggit
[02:51] <Zinn> Have you dugg it?  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_8_10_RC_Released
[03:28] <Bantak> hi, i am trying to listen to my music on my PS3 via MythMusic. But all my Mp3s are listed as "unsupported data". i found a bugreport, which should be fixed about a year ago, but it doesn't work for me. does anyone know something about it?
[03:57] <Bantak> if anyone has an answer to my question or is intersted in, my mail is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:57] <Bantak> I am leaving now
[04:07] <sayjack> I would like to introduce the mythmote tonight.  http://www.mythmote.com  It's still being tested but will be available soon.
[04:09] <sayjack> if you are interested let us know.
[04:18] <toorima> anyone can recommend a good usb ir receiver? I have a hauppage 150 with remote today but are planing on removing the card, so need a new ir receiver, have a logitec harmony 880 as remote so only need receiver part
[04:18] <tgm4883_laptop> sayjack, you replaced lirc?
[04:19] <sayjack> not required for the mythmote.
[04:20] <tgm4883_laptop> interesting
[04:21] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm assuming you have a working unit that has been tested with mythtv?
[04:22] <sayjack> Yes it's working and I'm using it with mythbuntu.
[04:22] <tgm4883_laptop> what do you use instead of lirc?
[04:24] <sayjack> python program with xautomation
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> you say you will provide the documentation for it?
[04:25] <sayjack> yes, we will.
[04:26] <tgm4883_laptop> would it be possible for me to get that?
[04:26] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm curious about this remote
[04:27] <sayjack> We need to get it polished up so stay tuned we'll be getting it out soon.
[04:27] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[04:27] <tgm4883_laptop> any possibility of getting it by sunday?
[04:27] <tgm4883_laptop> i'd like to have it for the dev meeting
[04:34] <sayjack> We're not quite ready to release but we are getting closer.  How often do you meet?
[04:35] <tgm4883_laptop> well we are meeting this sunday to wrap up 8.10, and will meet again soon after release for the initial 9.04 meeting
[04:35] <tgm4883_laptop> then usually we will meet before each release starting around alpha 3-4
[04:38] <sayjack> Good luck with 8.10.  And check back to our site.  Pass it along too.
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> well if you would like to try and include this into the repos or onto the live disk let me know.
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> will do
[04:39] <sayjack> thanks.
[05:00] <rhpot1991> that remote seems interesting, they need to provide some images of it too
[05:10] <hads> It is trademark infringement though.
[05:14] <hads> I believe he's been told a number of times by Isaac to change the name
[06:03] <vbc> I have a question.. hopefully somebody can help
[06:04] <vbc> muthbuntu seems to freeze when it loads the gui portion of the OS on startup.. but normal ubuntu or kubuntu has no problems on my system
[06:04] <vbc> is there any issues with xfce desktop in this area?
[06:13] <vbc> ok.. well should I just switch to another myth distro?
[06:13] <vbc> looking for the easiest solution to get my kworld atsc 115 going
[06:13] <vbc> and totalmedia on win is trash
[06:15] <superm1> vbc, try recovery mode
[06:15] <superm1> and see if you have more luck booting
[06:15] <superm1> or at least be able to look at logs to see where the freeze is happening
[06:15] <superm1> and what's causing it
[06:16] <vbc> ok I'll try it right now
[06:16] <vbc> brb
[06:19] <vbc> how do I do recovery mode on the live cd?
[06:19] <vbc> I can't even install
[06:25] <vbc> well I gotta run, I'll keep trying it.. thx
[07:07] <oobe> im experiencing artifacts when playing divx files in internal player it plays fine in mplayer it never used to do this
[07:08] <oobe> so far i have tried uninstalling medibuntu packages and changing playback options in tv settings
[07:08] <oobe> does anyone have any other suggestions
[07:48] <Forbr4d3> anyone know about pinnacle pctv hd pro stick?
[07:48] <Forbr4d3> i tried building a driver 3 times
[07:48] <Forbr4d3> still having problems
[08:18] <dsouth> do I really  need to have mythbuntu-control-centre installed?
[08:21] <dsouth> brb
[09:05] <dsouth> brb
[09:21] <dsouth> grr, having problems with lirc_imon
[09:25] <dsouth> hmm, lircd is running
[09:25] <dsouth> irw IS giving me responses to most of the keys on the remote
[09:26] <dsouth> and lircrc's _seem_ to be ok
[11:12] <oobe> im experiencing artifacts when playing divx files in internal player it plays fine in mplayer it never used to do this
[11:12] <oobe> so far i have tried uninstalling medibuntu packages and changing playback options in tv settings
[11:12] <oobe> does anyone have any other suggestions
[12:25] <Lunar_Lamp> I have just two tv-aerial points in my house.  Both of which are in rooms where I do not want a loud backend mythtv box running.  So, I can try and build a nice quiet combined back/front end box, but I'm left wondering - is it possible to build a very minimal machine that has just the tvcard and minimal spec (thus quiet) that then offloads it's work to a power-house backend over the network?
[12:27] <Lunar_Lamp> It would seem that I can use multiple backends happily, but I want to know if there are any minimum specs for the minimal-backend I want as it would be the only one with a TVcard.
[14:08] <giver> hello
[14:09] <giver> I'm trying to install mythbuntu,and installation finishes,but freeze at restart
[14:09] <giver> can anybody help?
[14:15] <ronny__> Hi all, I just installed Mythbuntu-8.04 on a offline system (no Internet, just TV) with a Hauppauge WinTV PVR 350. Everything looks fine but I just can not switch channels!!?? I googled a bit but all I tried failed here. Is there a way to find and fix the problem?
[14:19] <oobe> Lunar_Lamp, i would post this question in a forum cause there are many different answers that are in fact correct but also just a matter of opinion
[14:19] <oobe> i dont see any reason why you can do that depending on what you consider minimal
[14:20] <oobe> do you want to playback hdtv
[14:21] <oobe> will the network be wired or unwired? why dont you try installing a new aerial socket ( its actually cheaper and easier than building and maintaining a backend)
[14:21] <giver> anyone have any idea why this pc cant restart from mythbuntu install or from live cd?
[14:21] <oobe> giver you could try acpioff
[14:22] <giver> new in this,to tell the truth
[14:22] <giver> where can I read about acpioff
[14:22] <oobe> try running the cd boot options
[14:22] <oobe> and select noapic
[14:22] <oobe> forget i said acpioff that was a mistake
[14:22] <giver> noapic
[14:23] <oobe> also just try the basic install
[14:23] <giver> is some option in the splash screen?
[14:23] <oobe> before the splash screen
[14:23] <oobe> the are options to edit its boot paremeter
[14:24] <giver> it only show the pc slash screen,then boot into mythbuntu spash screen
[14:24] <giver> have some selections
[14:24] <giver> but don;t see anything related to noapic
[14:25] <oobe> you can type it in manually
[14:25] <giver> humm,trying to understand,there is no console to write into,
[14:25] <giver> onlt start with selecting language
[14:25] <giver> then timezone
[14:26] <giver> then spalsh screen with selections
[14:26] <giver> no prompt
[14:26] <giver> this is mythbuntu 8.041
[14:26] <giver> into an amd64 machine
[14:26] <oobe> giver this thread should help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=591443
[14:27] <giver> ok,I'll read it
[14:29] <giver> ok,that's something to try
[14:29] <giver> while I don;t have a black screen
[14:29] <giver> I do have on board video
[14:30] <oobe> yeah sorry i though the thread was refering to booting the cd
[14:30] <oobe> but its talking about an installed system
[14:31] <oobe> anyway when you boot the cd it should let you press F6 key or F5 im going off memory
[14:31] <oobe> to edit the boot options
[14:31] <oobe> dont remove anything just add noapic to the end
[14:32] <giver> ok,still can't see the boot options
[14:32] <giver> let me get there
[14:33] <giver> I do see safe graphics mode,selected
[14:33] <giver> then went to other options (F6)
[14:33] <giver> then it booted the cd
[14:33] <giver> didn;t give me time to see boot options
[14:35] <giver> the main problem I see is that like now,I try to restart to go again to those options,but shut down and restart only freeze at the slapsh screen
[14:35] <giver> it never restart or shut down
[14:35] <giver> have to remove the power to start again
[14:35] <giver> which is actually the main problem I have
[14:36] <giver> I can install mythbuntu no problems,goes all the way to the end
[14:36] <giver> but won;t restart
[14:36] <giver> maybe this is disabled in bios?
[14:36] <giver> is there any setting in bios to stop the shutdown?
[14:55] <giver> ok,trying the noapic option
[14:55] <giver> is at 95% of the install
[14:55] <giver> I suspect the same thing will happen and won;t restart
[15:00] <oobe> i think it may be installing fine but you cant boot it properly until you edit you grub options
[15:01] <oobe> press the esc key when you boot it for the first time then edit your boot options
[15:01] <giver> well,the next time I start the live cd,I go to terminal and cfdisk show me no partitions,only the large hard drive
[15:01] <giver> like nothing was written to it
[15:01] <oobe> oh
[15:01] <giver> but
[15:01] <oobe> i dont know then
[15:02] <giver> if I don;t restart after the install,I can go to cfdisk and see the swap and boot parition
[15:02] <oobe> you can always install xubuntu the sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop
[15:02] <giver> this is without restart it
[15:02] <giver> I should check the bios,I guess,maybe something preventing the restart
[15:02] <giver> but is all chinise
[15:02] <giver> chinese
[15:03] <oobe> wow
[15:03] <giver> can't find a combo to get into bios
[15:03] <giver> has some kind of pass
[15:03] <giver> only went there once
[15:03] <oobe> you might want to restet the cmos using the jumper
[15:03] <giver> and all seemed norma;
[15:03] <giver> I should,yes
[16:28] <tgm4883_laptop> !diggit
[16:28] <Zinn> Have you dugg it?  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_8_10_RC_Released
[16:47] <videorechner> hi how can I check if there is a mysql database on my system?
[17:06] <videorechner> hi i had to reboot but still: how can I see whether a mysql database is up?
[17:06] <giver> humm,downloaded unbuntu and this one does restar,still,don;t boot from the hard drive,nothing was written,drive has no partitions
[17:07] <giver> installation went through ok
[17:08] <giver> but no OS is into the hard drive
[17:09] <giver> always ask for the cd to boot
[17:09] <videorechner> maybe its a grub related problem?
[17:09] <rhpot1991> videorechner: dpkg -l mysql-server |grep ^ii
[17:10] <videorechner> rhpot thx
[17:10] <rhpot1991> dpkg -l mythtv-database |grep ^ii
[17:10] <rhpot1991> is useful as well
[17:10] <giver> my question is,grub is not installed,in fact,nothing is written,how could I fix something that's not written?
[17:11] <giver> ok,now gives me the option to keep using live cd
[17:11] <rhpot1991> giver: do you have any other hard drives on the system or usb devices or anything?
[17:11] <giver> no
[17:11] <giver> only the sata hard drive
[17:11] <giver> a 60 gb seagate
[17:11] <rhpot1991> you actually went through the install process and not just into the live cd?
[17:12] <giver> well,I booted from the live dc
[17:12] <giver> cd
[17:12] <giver> then went through all the installation
[17:12] <rhpot1991> boot back to the live cd and check the HD to see if there are files on it
[17:12] <videorechner> http://pastebin.com/m413e673d does this mean there is database I can use for mythtv?
[17:12] <giver> went throguh without problems,ask me to restart to use the new installation,or keep in live cd
[17:13] <giver> that's what i said,the hard drive doesn't boot
[17:13] <rhpot1991> videorechner: well it means the packages are installed, in theory they may not have been able to configure if you didn't give it a good password when they asked for one
[17:13] <giver> like there was nothing written to it
[17:13] <rhpot1991> here is what we can do, go look in /etc/mysql.txt
[17:13] <rhpot1991> wait let me check that
[17:13] <giver> how to check the tree structure ?
[17:13] <giver> using terminal?
[17:13] <rhpot1991> /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[17:13]  * rhpot1991 thought it didn't look right
[17:13] <rhpot1991> get the password from there
[17:13] <giver> first time using ubuntu
[17:14] <rhpot1991> then do mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg
[17:14] <giver> sorry for all the newbie questions
[17:14] <rhpot1991> and supply that password when it asks
[17:14] <rhpot1991> giver: it should throw an icon for the drive on the desktop or in the places menu
[17:14] <rhpot1991> you should be able to just browse it there
[17:14] <giver> I did all that
[17:15] <giver> I can browse through the drive now
[17:15] <rhpot1991> is there anything on it?
[17:15] <giver> yes
[17:15] <giver> i'm in /boot.grob folder
[17:15] <giver> pff
[17:15] <giver> in /boot/grub
[17:16] <rhpot1991> there are other things though like an /etc /var /usr and so on?
[17:16] <giver> let me check
[17:16] <giver> yep,var,usr
[17:16] <giver> tmp
[17:17] <giver> seem is all there,but I'm afraid I will loose if I restart
[17:17] <videorechner> I did as tol, and this is what I get back:http://pastebin.com/m6ff0d358
[17:17] <giver> it seem to see the 6.3 gb partition made at installation
[17:18] <rhpot1991> videorechner: sounds like you didn't tell it the mysql root password when it asked, do you know what it is?
[17:18] <giver> the rest of the hard drive is not mounted
[17:18] <rhpot1991> giver: so what exactly happens when you restart?
[17:18] <giver> will I loos the OS again if I restart?
[17:19] <giver> nothing,pc comes back to original state
[17:19] <giver> that's what happen
[17:19] <rhpot1991> define original state
[17:19] <giver> well,hard drive not partitioned,no booting from hdd
[17:19] <videorechner> rhpot1991 I know all passwords on this pc, but it never asked for a root password except when I used sudo
[17:19] <giver> only asking to boot from cd
[17:19] <rhpot1991> videorechner: well lets do this then
[17:20] <rhpot1991> videorechner: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server
[17:20] <giver> and then,when I do,cfdisk finds the hard drive empty
[17:20] <rhpot1991> and set a password when it asks you
[17:20] <videorechner> it didnt ask for a password
[17:20] <videorechner> all I get is an empty command line
[17:21] <giver> I wonder why the hard drive doesn't keep the OS? I wouldn;t think I need the cd after the installation,right?
[17:21] <giver> is not needed,correct?
[17:22] <rhpot1991> giver: sounds like grub isn't pointing to the right place
[17:22] <giver> how to correct that
[17:22] <rhpot1991> do you even get any grub error or anything?
[17:22] <giver> nope
[17:22] <rhpot1991> did you take the cd out?
[17:22] <giver> no
[17:22] <giver> is working off the cd yet
[17:22] <giver> I didn;t restart since installation finished
[17:23] <giver> last time I restarted,the pc went back to an empty drive,and asks to boot from cd
[17:23] <giver> I did check bios
[17:24] <giver> and is set to boot from hdd as first option
[17:24] <rhpot1991> take the cd out and reboot
[17:24] <rhpot1991> like it says
[17:24] <giver> ok
[17:24] <rhpot1991> videorechner: can you do mysql -uroot -p
[17:25] <videorechner> asks for the password but denies for user root
[17:25] <tgm4883_laptop> what about just "mysql -u root"
[17:25] <giver> nope,keeps asking to boot from cd
[17:25] <rhpot1991> videorechner: leave the -p off and try
[17:25] <giver> all is lost again
[17:26] <tgm4883_laptop> giver, how many hard drives do you have?
[17:26] <rhpot1991> giver: is your bios configured to boot from HD?
[17:26] <giver> only one
[17:26] <giver> yes
[17:26] <videorechner> access denied
[17:26] <giver> bios is set to boot from hddd
[17:26] <rhpot1991> videorechner: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0
[17:27] <giver> one think I noticed,at the end in the summary ,there is an advance option setting boot to hd0
[17:27] <giver> I tried setting it to sda1
[17:27] <giver> but same thing
[17:27] <videorechner> ok mysql got a new root password by now
[17:27] <giver> not sure is important
[17:28] <videorechner> what shall I do next?
[17:28] <giver> it is puzzling me,because nor ubuntu nor muthbuntu installs at all
[17:28] <rhpot1991> ok good, now do sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[17:28] <rhpot1991> and tell it root and that password when it asks
[17:28] <tgm4883_laptop> giver, which disk are you using?
[17:28] <giver> seagate 60 gb
[17:29] <giver> laptor ones
[17:29] <tgm4883_laptop> no, which mythbuntu disk
[17:29] <giver> laptop
[17:29] <giver> ohh
[17:29] <giver> latest stable
[17:29] <giver> 8.041
[17:29] <giver> same for ubuntu
[17:29] <videorechner> it asks where I the mysql server is hosted
[17:29] <videorechner> shall I keep localhost?
[17:30] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[17:31] <rhpot1991> videorechner: yep
[17:31] <giver> I have seen some network manager error at the end,but they go away so fast,I can't read them well
[17:31] <giver> does the network need to be connected?
[17:31] <videorechner> I wont be using other computers running mythtv but should I enable remote connectivity to avoid probable errors?
[17:32] <rhpot1991> videorechner: not if you wont be using others, you can always enable this in MCC later
[17:32] <videorechner> ok done, whats next?
[17:32] <rhpot1991> should be good now
[17:33] <rhpot1991> try to connect
[17:33] <videorechner> how?
[17:33] <videorechner> just start mythtv frontend
[17:33] <videorechner> ?
[17:33] <rhpot1991> do the backend setup first, they both need the info
[17:34] <giver> the cd has an option to boot from fisrt hdd,and it doesn't boot
[17:34] <videorechner> shall I use root as username and its password?
[17:34] <giver> I tried the install directly from the cd,and also from inside live cd
[17:34] <rhpot1991> videorechner: use mythtv and the password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[17:35] <giver> none of them write anything to the hard drive
[17:35] <videorechner> cannot login to database
[17:36] <rhpot1991> have you checked that file, it should have updated the password
[17:36] <rhpot1991> so it wont be the same as the last time
[17:36] <giver> maybe I have to change the hard drive?
[17:36] <videorechner> definately my fault I changed the password by myself
[17:37] <videorechner> /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[17:38] <giver> not sure what to do
[17:38] <giver> never found a hard drive that don't write
[17:39] <videorechner> so I need to do dpkg -reconfigure mythtv-database again and then have a look at /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and use this password for the backend setup?
[17:39] <rhpot1991> videorechner: did you modify mysql.txt you are saying?
[17:39] <videorechner> yes i did
[17:39] <rhpot1991> that stores the mythtv user's password not the mysql root's
[17:40] <videorechner> at the backend setup i tried to login as mythtv using the password i had written into mysql.txt but it didnt work
[17:41] <giver> this must be a bad drive,I will see if I can get a new one
[17:41] <rhpot1991> videorechner: well you can either modify the mysql user's password to match or just reconfigure mythtv-database again, tell it your root user like you did before but this time don't touch that file
[17:41] <rhpot1991> then tell the setup exactly what is in that file
[17:41] <videorechner> kk
[17:41] <giver> tell me,how to check the hard drive in ubuntu?
[17:41] <rhpot1991> ya cause setting it in that file doesn't change it in the database, so they don't match now
[17:41] <rhpot1991> videorechner: I gotta run, good luck
[17:42] <videorechner> thx
[17:43] <giver> can I check dish in ubuntu?
[17:43] <giver> disk
[17:45] <tgm4883_laptop> giver, you can mount the disk and see if there is stuff on there, from the live disk
[17:45] <giver> does it make a difference if this drive is an oem unit? do they lock it up to be used only in their units?
[17:46] <tgm4883_laptop> doesn't matter
[17:46] <giver> it shouldn;t matter,right?
[17:46] <giver> ok,let me boot again
[17:46] <tgm4883_laptop> right, shouldn't  matter
[17:46] <giver> I can mount it from terminal,right?
[17:47] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[17:47] <giver> ok,give me asec until it boots
[17:47] <videorechner> grml I had to reboot and forgot the command rhpot1991 told me to reconfigure mysql can someone please post it again?
[17:48] <giver> dpkg -reconfigure mythtv-database
 videorechner: well you can either modify the mysql user's password to match or just reconfigure mythtv-database again, tell it your root user like you did before but this time don't touch that file
[17:48] <giver> is this the one?
[17:49] <videorechner> yes thanks!!
[17:49] <giver> ok,I'm in terinal now
[17:49] <giver> terminal
[17:49] <giver> how to mount the drive?
[17:50] <giver> sorry,if you guys think I should read more,I will
[17:50] <tgm4883_laptop> you need to make a dir for it first
[17:50] <tgm4883_laptop> mkdir ~/drv
[17:50] <tgm4883_laptop> then
[17:51] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo mount /dev/sda1 ~/drv
[17:51] <tgm4883_laptop> that might work
[17:51] <giver> ok
[17:51] <tgm4883_laptop> not sure if we need to specify other options
[17:51] <videorechner> this command should have changed the password at /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt right?
[17:52] <tgm4883_laptop> videorechner, no, that should have changed it for the db
[17:52] <giver> humm,must specify file system type
[17:53] <tgm4883_laptop> I believe you also need to reconfigure mythtv-common
[17:53] <videorechner> i do the same with common
[17:53] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 ~/drv
[17:53] <tgm4883_laptop> giver, ^
[17:54] <giver> where is /drv folder located now? in tmp?
[17:54] <tgm4883_laptop> no, in your home dir
[17:55] <videorechner> does /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt store the informations used to access the database or is it a database config file telling the database which password is used by which user?
[17:56] <giver> dev/sda1 doesn;t exist
[17:56] <giver> tried sda and says wronf fs type
[17:56] <giver> bad superblock on /dev/sda
[17:57] <giver> missing codepacge or helper program
[17:57] <tgm4883_laptop> giver, do sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[17:57] <giver> or other error
[17:57] <giver> detects 60 gb
[17:58] <giver> disk id is all 000
[17:58] <videorechner> ah ok seems like it stores the information mythtv uses to access the mysql database so all I need to do is add a user called mythtv with a password to the mysql database. how can I do this? all commands I used till now only changed the root password
[17:58] <giver> nothing for device boot
[17:58] <giver> no start or end
[17:58] <tgm4883_laptop> giver, pastebin it
[17:58] <giver> ok
[17:58] <giver> is pastebin.com?
[17:58] <tgm4883_laptop> videorechner, there should already be a mythtv user
[17:59] <tgm4883_laptop> !pastebin | giver
[17:59] <Zinn> giver: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[17:59] <giver> ok
[17:59] <videorechner> how can I change the password of the mythtv user?
[18:00] <tgm4883_laptop> in the db or on the system?
[18:00] <videorechner> in the db
[18:00] <videorechner> dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database -user mythtv?
[18:01] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[18:01] <tgm4883_laptop> IIRC, dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[18:01] <videorechner> IIRC?
[18:02] <tgm4883_laptop> if i recall correctly
[18:02] <tgm4883_laptop> yes it is
[18:02] <tgm4883_laptop> and you reconfigure mythtv-common to update mysql.txt
[18:02] <videorechner> i used this command and all I could change was the administrator account and its password (I stayed with root)
[18:03] <tgm4883_laptop> you reconfigured mythtv-database or mysql-server?
[18:03] <videorechner> mythtv-database
[18:04] <giver> mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d724d1302
[18:05] <giver> this is the original state of the drive
[18:05] <tgm4883_laptop> giver, interesting, go though the installation but don't reboot when it's done
[18:06] <giver> yes
[18:06] <giver> is very strange
[18:06] <giver> it does partition,load files and all,while the cd is running
[18:06] <giver> then,at restart and pull out the cd,all comes back to no OS
[18:07] <giver> maybe the hard drive is bad?
[18:07] <tgm4883_laptop> giver, I want to check the partition after install, and possibly some log files
[18:07] <giver> it ok,just tell me what to do
[18:07] <tgm4883_laptop> giver, just go though a normal installation but don't reboot at the end
[18:07] <giver> yes,ok,I did that before
[18:07] <giver> give me some minutes
[18:07] <giver> what file you need?
[18:07] <giver> syslog?
[18:08] <giver> also,I'm sure all I did was to use default installation
[18:09] <giver> changed couple things,at times,but never changed the outcome
[18:10] <giver> let me ask you,whe it list the settings,I can see an advance icon
[18:10] <giver> going there
[18:10] <giver> shows me
[18:10] <giver> install bootloader in hd0
[18:10] <giver> is that normal?
[18:11] <giver> shouldn;t it be in sda?
[18:11] <tgm4883_laptop> no that sounds about right
[18:11] <tgm4883_laptop> if not, it's the least of our problems right now
[18:11] <giver> okI leave it then
[18:11] <giver> ok
[18:11] <giver> installing now
[18:11] <giver> will take some minutes
[18:12] <giver> what logs you need?
[18:12] <giver> and from where?
[18:14] <videorechner> ok I tried to login to the database as root and it worked out, but I actually dont like to use root rights all the time and I forgot the password given to the mythtv database account, how can I change its password within the database?
I know there are some networks errors at the end,but disapear so fast from screent to know what those are
[18:15] <giver> where is the logs? in /tmp?
[18:16] <tgm4883_laptop> SET PASSWORD FOR 'user'@'hostname' = PASSWORD('passwordhere');
[18:16] <tgm4883_laptop> giver, /var/log
[18:17] <giver> ok
[18:19] <videorechner> bash: SET: command not found
[18:20] <tgm4883_laptop> videorechner, you have to log into mysql first
[18:20] <videorechner> how can I do this? simply:  mysql?
[18:22] <tgm4883_laptop> mysql -u root -p
[18:23] <videorechner> thx
[18:23] <tgm4883_laptop> giver, probably need syslog and ubiquity logs
[18:23] <giver> ok,finished
[18:23] <giver> going into computer now
[18:24] <giver> syslog has 0 bytes
[18:24] <giver> no ubiw=quity logs
[18:25] <giver> ok,found isnatller/syslog
[18:25] <giver> installer
[18:26] <giver> humm,can;t even open those files,no permissions
[18:26] <giver> want me to try to upload the file somewhere?
[18:26] <giver> let me see
[18:26] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo them
[18:27] <giver> but I'm not in terminal
[18:27] <giver> let me try to upload it
[18:31] <giver> can't upload it either
[18:32] <tgm4883_laptop> open a terminal and sudo it then
[18:32] <tgm4883_laptop> that will give you permissions
[18:33] <giver> ok
[18:33] <giver> sudo is the same as chmod,right?
[18:34] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[18:34] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo runs the command as root
[18:34] <tgm4883_laptop> so like
[18:34] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo gedit syslog
[18:34] <giver> Ohh I see
[18:34] <giver> got you
[18:34] <tgm4883_laptop> well gedit isn't installed
[18:34] <tgm4883_laptop> so sudo mousepad syslog
[18:35] <giver> is that the cmd I should use?
[18:35] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[18:36] <giver> mousepad not found
[18:36] <tgm4883_laptop> interesting
[18:36] <tgm4883_laptop> oh this is 8.04.1?
[18:37] <giver> have a text editor
[18:37] <giver> yes
[18:37] <giver> downloaded it today
[18:37] <tgm4883_laptop> which one?
[18:37] <giver> amd64
[18:37] <tgm4883_laptop> thats not a text editor
[18:37] <giver> ohh,you aksed about the text editor
[18:38] <giver> says only text editor
[18:38] <tgm4883_laptop> try gedit
[18:39] <giver> nope,it opens but is blank
[18:40] <giver> is all screwed up,right?
[18:40] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo gedit syslog
[18:40] <giver> I did
[18:40] <giver> sudo gedit /var/log/installer/syslog
[18:41] <giver> which is where the file is
[18:41] <giver> opens blank
[18:41] <giver> is a binary file?
[18:41] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[18:41] <tgm4883_laptop> what other files do you have in there
[18:42] <giver> casper.log,partman,syslog,version
[18:42] <tgm4883_laptop> partman
[18:42] <tgm4883_laptop> get that log
[18:43] <giver> blank also
[18:43] <giver> gedit don't seem to read it
[18:43] <giver> because those files are not empty
[18:44] <tgm4883_laptop> try nano
[18:44] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo nno
[18:44] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo nano
[18:44] <giver> version says ubiquity 1.8.12
[18:45] <giver> ok
[18:45] <giver> hummm,it opens gedit file
[18:46] <giver> not the program
[18:46] <giver> ok
[18:46] <tgm4883_laptop> can you email me those two files?
[18:46] <giver> worng cmd'
[18:46] <giver> wait
[18:46] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[18:47] <giver> nano won;t open it,only opens nano
[18:48] <giver> ok,I tried to grab the files from there,but I can;t move them
[18:48] <tgm4883_laptop> copy them
[18:48] <giver> can;t copy,to where?
[18:49] <tgm4883_laptop> to the desktop
[18:49] <giver> would be great I could grab them from the network
[18:49] <giver> how to set this pc into the network?
[18:49] <giver> not sure where sharing is done in ubuntu
[18:50] <giver> have no permission to move or copy
[18:50] <giver> probably why it doesn;t open in editor
[18:50] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, how about thihs
[18:51] <tgm4883_laptop> where is the file located?
[18:51] <giver> in /var/log/installer
[18:51] <giver> is frustrating
[18:51] <giver> all this
[18:51] <tgm4883_laptop> ok do this
[18:51] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo chmod -r 777 /var/log/installer/
[18:51] <giver> ok
[18:52] <tgm4883_laptop> then you should be able to do whatever you wnt with the files
[18:52] <giver> should be chmod 777  ?
[18:53] <giver> it sees 777 as the destination directory
[18:53] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo chmod 777 -r /var/log/installer/
[18:54] <giver> ok
[18:55] <tgm4883_laptop> did that work?
[18:55] <giver> nope
[18:55] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[18:56] <tgm4883_laptop> ah ok
[18:56] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo chmod -R 777 /var/log/installer/
[18:56] <tgm4883_laptop> capital R
[18:56] <giver> 777 -R ?
[18:57] <giver> or the -R first? doesn;t seem to work with -R first
[18:57] <tgm4883_laptop> the -R first
[18:57] <giver> humm
[18:57] <tgm4883_laptop> the command I just gave you
[18:57] <tgm4883_laptop> what does it say?
[18:58] <giver> doesn;t change permissions
[18:59] <tgm4883_laptop> pastebin the output of "ls -l /var/log/installer/"
[18:59] <giver> cannot access
[18:59] <videorechner> hi does one of you know how to add german weather stations as sources to the weather plugin?
[18:59] <giver> wait
[19:01] <tgm4883_laptop> videorechner, <laga> there is no grabber script for germany. i think some scripts have some german cities
[19:01] <videorechner> oh
[19:02] <giver> mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d44112a8d
[19:02] <tgm4883_laptop> giver, where is syslog?
[19:02] <tgm4883_laptop> it's not in there?
[19:03] <giver> well,it is there in the folder
[19:03] <giver> but not in the list
[19:03] <tgm4883_laptop> in /var/log or /var/log/installer
[19:03] <giver> debug is definitely not in the folder
[19:03] <giver> var/log/installer
[19:04] <giver> unless is casper.log
[19:04] <tgm4883_laptop> will the command worked, you should have permissions now
[19:04] <giver> I know
[19:04] <giver> but I still cna;t copy or open it,or move
[19:04] <giver> can'
[19:04] <giver> t
[19:05] <tgm4883_laptop> pastebin this again sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[19:05] <giver> I use to set permissions in another linux distros
[19:05] <giver> ok
[19:06] <giver> mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d3a9a3785
[19:06] <giver> now you can see all partitions
[19:07] <giver> also the disk id is there
[19:07] <giver> now,when I restart,none of that is there anymore
[19:07] <tgm4883_laptop> have you looked at that before?
[19:07] <giver> yes
[19:08] <giver> I saw the partitions there all the time if I don;t restart
[19:08] <giver> basically,it seem the disk has data
[19:09] <giver> all seem ok,but a restart of the pc erase all of it
[19:09] <tgm4883_laptop> which doens't make sense
[19:09] <giver> right
[19:09] <giver> not sure what this is
[19:10] <giver> I'm a newbie with ubuntu,but I know this is not how it suppose to work
[19:10] <giver> I'll go out anf buy a newhard drive
[19:10] <giver> I need to make sure the drive is ok
[19:10] <tgm4883_laptop> yea i'm stumped, as the data is there
[19:11] <giver> and this one is acting up in this way
[19:11] <tgm4883_laptop> we've mounted it
[19:11] <giver> yes
[19:11] <giver> is all working
[19:11] <giver> ok,tx for your time
[19:11] <giver> I will get back later with a new drive
[19:12] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[19:12] <giver> and see if that was the problem
[19:12] <giver> just to reinforce the concept,I will restart now
[19:13] <giver> and see if this time the data wrote into the drive
[19:13] <giver> yep
[19:13] <giver> asking for the c
[19:13] <giver> cd
[19:13] <giver> no data in there
[19:14] <giver> in the drive
[19:14] <giver> ok,bbl
[19:14] <giver> tx a lot for your time
[19:14] <giver> I learned a lot
[19:22] <squish102> does mythbuntu 8.04.1 still use alsa as sound?
[19:22] <squish102> im trying to get sound over hdmi working :(
[20:13] <nwidger> hello, anyone around?
[20:26] <hanfm> hello can someone tell me how to configure a tv at the svideo output
[22:14] <gwyo> is there a way I can set a button my remote to go to the root menu on a DVD?
[22:24] <hanfm1> mythtv closes when i try to start an iso-file, what could be the problem
[22:39] <Lossif> is it possible to share the folder in my mythbox that holds the movie posters with read write acces?
[22:39] <Lossif> I got it share with samba
[22:39] <Lossif> but not with write access
[22:41] <Lossif> [MoviePosters]
[22:41] <Lossif> comment = MoviePosters
[22:41] <Lossif> path = /home/jgerhardt/.mythtv/MythVideo
[22:41] <Lossif> public = yes
[22:41] <Lossif> writable = yes
[22:41] <Lossif> create mask = 0660
[22:41] <Lossif> directory mask = 0770
[22:41] <Lossif> force user = mythtv
[22:41] <Lossif> force group = mythtv
[23:38] <giver> ahh,he left,I just wanted to say the problemwas the hard drive
[23:39] <giver> Noe mythbuntu installed correctly
[23:39] <giver> in a new hdd
[23:39] <squish102> if mythbuntu starts mythfrontend automatically, where do i need to chane it, as it need a -geometry parameter passed to it?


[11:51] <StudioUser99> hello
[11:51] <StudioUser99> i need help
[11:51] <StudioUser99> someone can help me?


[03:09] <keithzg[m]> Sven_vB: Yeah, I was vaguely thinking about doing such wrapper-script filtering. Instead decided to just install https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/s3cmd which seems to be new enough to avoid the problem (and, with S3 always subtly shifting, it's nice to be on the latest version anyways)
[03:10] <Sven_vB> :) good that you found it
[03:11] <keithzg[m]> Normally I'd be a bit more wary about crossing releases/distros like that, but it's just to-be-interpreted Python text anyways, so I figure it's probably fine :)
[03:12] <keithzg[m]> (So confident I didn't even bother grabbing the deb from the Groovy repos, heh)
[07:26] <lordievader> Good morning
[16:13] <xibalba> my home ubuntu box has ~800 processes right now, and so many of them appear to be related to ZFS even though i'm not using any ZFS on this system. processes like z_iput (129 processes), z_fr_iss_* (97), arc_prune (129). not sure what's going on here, just started looking into it
[16:25] <foo> Trying to get pihole running. Something else is listening on port 53. I had it running before but apparently something changed. I thought netstat -nap |grep :53 would show me what's running, but I'm not able to clearly see it. bind and named not running.
[16:26] <foo> This is the error: ERROR: for pihole  Cannot start service pihole: driver failed programming external connectivity on endpoint pihole (b045e64594c66786472712e8689802c00e4e69d1042ccf05765e10c52db7a299): Error starting userland proxy: listen tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:53: bind: address already in use
[16:28] <foo> ah, got it service dbus-org.freedesktop.resolve1 stop
[17:03]  * foo works to turn off dbus-org.freedesktop.resolve1 at boot time
[17:14] <foo> How do I disable a service in systemd?
[17:14] <foo> Having some internet issues and googling is making this difficult
[17:16] <oerheks> systemctrl enable/disable/mask/unmask <service>
[17:21] <foo> oerheks: thanks, something else is going on here it would seem
[17:22] <foo> Error starting userland proxy: listen tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:53: bind: address already in use
[17:22] <foo> Getting that but nothing is running on :53
[17:23] <foo> netstat -nap |grep :53 shows nothing
[17:23] <foo> It's almost like since I removed dbus-org.freedesktop.resolve1 something else is doing DNS... or maybe at runtime when I try docker-compose up, something *is* running on :53?
[17:24] <oerheks> i did read somewhere that pihole install needs to disable resolv.. not sure what guide that was
[17:25] <foo> ah, it's systemd-resolved.service
[17:30] <foo> Finally, gah.
[17:35] <foo> sigh, spoke too soon.
[17:35] <foo> # cat /etc/resolv.conf
[17:35] <foo> cat: /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory
[17:35] <foo> that doesn't look good.
[17:38] <foo> I've spent close to 3 hours this morning trying to get pihole working on startup. It was working fine for months, then realized it wasn't set up to start on startup. Now it runs on startup, but it seems there's a ubuntu-level issue with /etc/resolv.conf disappearing. If anyone has any troubleshooting steps please let me know, I'm going to bypass it with another DNS server so I can actually do work...
[17:38] <foo> I'm stumped at why I'm having so many issues.
[17:39] <foo> ah, might be dns cache issues
[18:00] <foo> No, there is still quite a bit of lag to resolve and some devices aren't resolving. Gah
[18:05] <foo> I'm beginning to think there's an IPv6 in my /etc/resolve.conf ... and I can't ping it
[18:06] <foo> I don't know where this is coming from
[18:08] <RoyK> foo: can you ping something like 2001:4860:4860::8888 ?
[18:09] <foo> RoyK: I realize you said "something like" - ping: cannot resolve 2001:4860:4860::8888: Unknown host -
[18:12] <RoyK> pipng6?
[18:13] <RoyK> *ping6*
[18:13] <foo> RoyK: yes, that worked
[18:13] <RoyK> some older versjons of ping are separated between the two stacks - newer ones take both
[18:13] <foo> I just did dig google.com @ ... and I tried it against both IPs in resolv.conf, the one for pihole, and this other IPv6. IPv6 definitely hangs
[18:31] <RoyK> foo: if you can ping an ipv6 host on the other side of the planet, then it works. that the resolver doesn't work is another thing
[18:31] <RoyK> can you dig aaaa @yourresolver google.com ?
[18:42] <foo> RoyK: thakns, I got it. I had to reboot the airport time capsule. Looks like some quirk that likekly cost me a few hours, meh
[18:43] <RoyK> so it works?
[18:43] <foo> RoyK: yes
[18:43] <RoyK> whee
[18:44] <foo> RoyK: thanks for "being there" :)
[18:46] <RoyK> foo: np :)


[00:30] <txwikinger> howdy y'all akgraner
[14:02] <akgraner> txwikinger, :-)
[17:19] <FFEMTcJ> _marx_: we are trying to set a day for a meeting
[17:19] <_marx_> ok, good
[17:19] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: you want weekday or weekend?
[17:20]  * _marx_ loco team is 1 and 3 tuesdays
[17:20] <FFEMTcJ> monday wednesday are good for me...
[17:20] <Pendulum> hiya
[17:20] <FFEMTcJ> Pendulum: trying to setup a meeting time..
[17:20] <FFEMTcJ> for our initial meet
[17:20] <pleia2> welcome FFEMTcJ
[17:20] <FFEMTcJ> ;-)
[17:20]  * pleia2 waves to Pendulum
[17:20] <FFEMTcJ> heh
[17:20] <FFEMTcJ> all four of us are here now
[17:20] <_marx_> xclnt
[17:20] <FFEMTcJ> if yall have time, im good now...
[17:21] <pleia2> sure
[17:21] <FFEMTcJ> _marx_ Pendulum ?
[17:21] <Pendulum> yeah, sure
[17:21] <_marx_> not for me, gotta eat some lunch
[17:21] <FFEMTcJ> oh whatever
[17:21] <FFEMTcJ> :-P
[17:21] <pleia2> for the peanut gallery: at UDS it was proposed to have a "Beginners Day" of sorts in #ubuntu-classroom similar to other open days
[17:21] <FFEMTcJ> now if you said beer run, id be good with it _marx_ ;-)
[17:22] <pleia2> hehe
[17:22] <_marx_> tutorial day
[17:22] <FFEMTcJ> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnerDay
[17:22] <pleia2> _marx_: eat at the keyboard ;)
[17:22] <_marx_> yes dear i'll go get food...
[17:22] <_marx_> biab
[17:22] <Pendulum> just don't drop your drink :P
[17:22] <FFEMTcJ> holy crap!
[17:22] <FFEMTcJ> a man that listens
[17:22] <FFEMTcJ> hehe
[17:23] <_marx_> well trained and she has a job will i don't
[17:23] <_marx_> while
[17:27] <FFEMTcJ> so.....
[17:29] <FFEMTcJ> anyone have anything to add to what i already have?
[17:30]  * pleia2 looks
[17:34] <pleia2> maybe add some examples of things we'd like to see
[17:35] <pleia2> and I like User Day as a name, I realized that "Beginner" might be too narrow a scope, and worse if we do have slightly more advanced topics people who *are* beginners will feel out of place
[17:35] <FFEMTcJ> my thought exactally
[17:36] <FFEMTcJ> wiki is ssllooww
[17:37] <Pendulum> I agree about User Day
[17:37] <FFEMTcJ> Name it Day or Days? I think Days since I think we could have many of them..
[17:37] <FFEMTcJ> not that it matters horribly
[17:37] <pleia2> maybe Days
[17:37] <pleia2> even if the first one is only one :)
[17:38] <FFEMTcJ> yup
[17:38] <FFEMTcJ> if it fails, then it fails.. but I think it could be something, if marketed right that could really take off
[17:38] <Pendulum> I don't think it'll fail
[17:38] <FFEMTcJ> I Added a couple of course suggestions
[17:38] <Pendulum> I think the biggest thing will be making sure not to get it too confused with the sorts of things done during Open Week
[17:40] <Pendulum> Maybe a "setting up your Ubuntu machine" course? (I know plenty of people who are MacOS users so wouldn't think to do a Switching from Windows class, but might be interested in switching)
[17:40] <pleia2> great idea
[17:40] <FFEMTcJ> i know from windows there is enough for an entire class, maybe do two seperate ones?
[17:41] <Pendulum> yeah, that might work
[17:41] <FFEMTcJ> cause with the windows one could maybe cover like wubi
[17:41] <Pendulum> definitely agree with the command line basics being in there
[17:42] <pleia2> doctormo wrote some coursework for command line basics which we can use for a course
[17:42] <pleia2> I'll add some links a bit later
[17:42] <Pendulum> because even if you don't have to use the command line, so many solutions if you google for help involve it that it's good to get some of that fear out of the way
[17:42]  * pleia2 nods
[17:42] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: i think i was in the session that talked about that coursework
[17:42] <pleia2> FFEMTcJ: yeah :) the learning project
[17:43] <FFEMTcJ> oh ya
[17:43] <FFEMTcJ> hehe
[17:43] <Pendulum> maybe something on how to ask for help/search for help?
[17:43] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: i felt just about as tired as yall did
[17:43] <FFEMTcJ> something like the asking smarter questions?
[17:43] <Pendulum> (just covering all the various ways you can get help and documentation)
[17:43] <pleia2> Pendulum: good idea!
[17:43] <FFEMTcJ> or whatever they came up with
[17:44] <pleia2> ok, I need to go spend some time with my bf, sounds like y'all are off to a great start
[17:44] <Pendulum> pleia2: have fun :)
[17:44] <pleia2> thanks :)
[17:44] <FFEMTcJ> tell him hi, and dont have too much fun.. dont get into trouble :-P
[17:45] <FFEMTcJ> I think we could even do stuff such as using gimp or something..
[17:45] <Pendulum> FFEMTcJ: do you want to add the additional ideas to the wiki, or shall I?
[17:45] <FFEMTcJ> i know gimp is geting the ax
[17:45] <FFEMTcJ> refresh and then add whatever you like.. ;-)
[17:46] <Pendulum> crap, just had another idea and then lost it
[17:46] <Pendulum> what about something about how to get involved in the community?
[17:47] <FFEMTcJ> great idea
[17:48] <Pendulum> (among other things I think that needs to cover the "just get involved, don't feel the need to ask permission" thing
[17:48] <FFEMTcJ> _marx_: must be really hungry
[17:48] <Pendulum> )
[17:48] <FFEMTcJ> ya
[17:51] <FFEMTcJ> holy crap.. pleia2 is in like 400 chans
[17:52] <FFEMTcJ> I think it was decided that we would like to do courses on the weekends
[17:52] <Pendulum> yeah, I believe the suggestion was to have the first day on a Saturday
[17:53] <Pendulum> since new users are unlikely to take a day off in the middle of the week (or stay up all night) for something ;)
[17:59] <FFEMTcJ> added some more stuff
[18:03] <FFEMTcJ> anything else to add for now Pendulum ?
[18:03] <FFEMTcJ> _marx_: ?
[18:04] <Pendulum> not right now
[18:06] <FFEMTcJ> sounds good.. i think we have a good start now
[18:06] <Pendulum> yeah, definitely
[18:14]  * _marx_ has happy tummy and is back reading
[18:14] <FFEMTcJ> you do exist!
[18:16] <FFEMTcJ> Changed wiki page to:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam
[18:19] <_marx_> ah that link doesn't work
[18:19] <_marx_> on nm
[18:19] <_marx_> well add me to drivers
[18:20] <FFEMTcJ> you have access to it now
[18:20] <FFEMTcJ> ;-)
[18:20] <_marx_> righto
[18:20] <FFEMTcJ> im tryin to read up on something on launchpad
[18:26]  * _marx_ at a disadvantage on switching os because he's mostly used linux
[18:26] <_marx_> never really been a windows user
[18:26] <FFEMTcJ> _marx_: we are going to try to enlist help from the beginners team for actually teaching the courses
[18:27] <_marx_> i like command line basics especially do not fear the command line
[18:28] <_marx_> i started long enough ago to recall having to type "startx"
[18:28] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[18:29] <_marx_> maybe something on IRC culture
[18:30] <FFEMTcJ> would that be best as its own section or as a part of getting help?
[18:30] <_marx_> gimp is getting dropped eh, i think that is bad
[18:33] <_marx_> yeah, part of getting help; new irc'ers need to know that it isn't necessarily going to be instant
[18:34] <_marx_> pleia2: i read your blog post on buying beer in PA, geez, I though NC had weird alcohol laws
[18:34] <FFEMTcJ> feel free to add anything more you like
[18:35]  * _marx_ pondering
[18:36] <_marx_> strange, it's just in the last year of so that i've made any attempt to be involved in the community despite using linux and Ubuntu for many years
[18:40]  * _marx_ added one course suggestion
[18:41] <FFEMTcJ> ubuntu one !fail
[18:41] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[18:41] <_marx_> oh you no like ubuntu one?
[18:44] <FFEMTcJ> just going off of the number of bug reports submitted from it
[18:44] <FFEMTcJ> i use and like dropbox
[18:44] <FFEMTcJ> i need much more space than ubuntu one give
[18:44] <FFEMTcJ> s
[18:45] <_marx_> i agree that 2 gigs ain't squat
[18:47] <FFEMTcJ> i use 46% of 51g
[18:49] <_marx_> mine is around 50 g but i could probably delete 1/3 of that
[18:50] <_marx_> rsync first run takes a day to run to an offsite server
[18:50] <FFEMTcJ> who do u use
[18:52] <_marx_> i cheat, my "little" read youngest brother is a pro geek, he gives me server access
[18:53] <_marx_> private cloud :)
[18:53] <FFEMTcJ> u suck
[18:54] <_marx_> lol, i used to torment him so bad i'm ashamed
[18:57] <_marx_> lil bro worked on the divx project for circuit city
[18:58] <FFEMTcJ> ic
[18:58] <_marx_> he's no slouch in the programming arena
[19:09] <_marx_> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jack-cox/0/8b8/622 that's my lil bro
[19:10] <FFEMTcJ> cool
[19:14]  * _marx_ is away: taking a sunday nap
[21:11]  * _marx_ is back (gone 01:57:17)
[21:15] <pleia2> _marx_: can you turn that off here?
[21:16] <pleia2> public away messages are kinda awful :)
[21:16] <_marx_> is it still up?
[21:16] <_marx_> sorry
[21:28] <issyl0> Hi everyone
[21:58] <doctormo> hi


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