[01:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:51] <cry0xen> good afternoon lotus
[07:52] <cry0xen> murmel thanks for the mpv flatpak. it works perfectly
[07:53] <cry0xen> without any kind glitch and issue. seeks perfectly. i think the interface couldve been cleaner but at this point i dont care
[09:01] <matt3> hello !!!
[09:02] <matt3> an email = a way to communicate ...
[09:02] <matt3> let we talk about email ...
[09:03] <daftykins> no it's a way to write down all your thoughts and questions and have another party disregard them all entirely!
[09:04] <matt3> fine !!!
[09:04] <matt3> :D
[09:06] <matt3> a joke
[09:07] <daftykins> only partially, it's 100% my firsthand experience of working with others
[09:08] <daftykins> write 3 questions, you'll get one answered if you're lucky
[09:09] <matt3> ok, but i like to write to my bros in germany from italy in a few seconds ...
[09:10] <daftykins> sounds like instant messaging over email
[09:10] <daftykins> and why would there be an imaginary time limit?
[09:10] <matt3> yes : im = few words ... email =   long text ...
[09:12] <matt3> also : im => tablet + smartphone ... email => pc
[09:12] <daftykins> noooo that's not true at all
[09:13] <matt3> tell me
[09:13] <daftykins> tell you what
[09:13] <matt3> the true about email ;D
[09:15] <daftykins> i think given the channel isn't meant for general ramblings i'm going to abstain
[09:15] <matt3> ok, np
[09:15] <matt3> thank you to speack with me ...
[09:15] <matt3> cu later ...
[09:15] <matt3> ;D
[09:17] <daftykins> o0
[10:01] <cry0xen> What music player you prefer and why? just curious. also to understand interaction for documentation purpose
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> vlc and clementine here
[10:35] <cry0xen> isnt clementine outdated?
[10:41] <daftykins> very unmaintained and it appears to have lost API access to grab lyrics and such on the song info page
[10:42] <daftykins> but unless you use online services with it i fail to see how that would have any impact, strawberry player is a fork afaik
[10:51] <JanC> I use Quod Libet to play music
[10:54] <cry0xen> first time hearing the name... seems really good and feature rich gtk+ app
[10:55]  * ogra uses the vlc and mpv snaps for all media
[10:57] <cry0xen> best choices
[10:57] <JanC> mpv doesn't have any music collection management functions though, and IIRC VLC has some but it's fairly basic?
[10:57] <JanC> I use mpv for playing videos & occasionally audio files
[10:58] <cry0xen> janC ogra "uses" not listens... theres a difference
[10:58] <ogra> lol
[10:58]  * cry0xen hides behind the pole
[10:58] <daftykins> consume that media, om-nom
[10:59] <cry0xen> what about you daftykins
[10:59] <ogra> i tend to listen to streams ... i.e. radioparadise ... rarely to my local collectio (whic is imported ot vlc via playlists)
[11:00] <ravage> i think i stopped building any local music database 10 years ago
[11:04] <cry0xen> stream has its ups as well as some downs. i wanna save bandwidth, as well as charge
[11:05] <daftykins> yeah i've always been a bit of a quality snob, so i like my FLAC library... however i don't really put music on these days, far more rare than a decade ago
[11:05] <cry0xen> i am like ogra in that sense... i listen to radio most of the time when i am on public transport
[11:06] <JanC> some of the great stuff about Quod Libet is that it has several different "browsers" (ways to look at your music), and you can open more than one of them at the same time too
[11:06] <cry0xen> a part my flac soul died when what.cd died
[11:06] <JanC> and https://quodlibet.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guide/searching.html of course  :)
[11:07] <daftykins> this is the wrong IRC network to discuss piracy, cry0xen
[11:07] <JanC> and the tag editor
[11:07] <cry0xen> i am not even going there mate. just my experience
[11:09] <cry0xen> netflix spoify hbo and prime has me covered. i suffer when theres itch to see something old
[11:09] <cry0xen> anyone has experience with sayonara
[11:10] <daftykins> yes it is the Japanese word for goodbye :P
[11:10] <cry0xen> lol
[11:11] <cry0xen> https://sayonara-player.com/
[11:11] <cry0xen> its also an qt based player like strawberry
[11:11] <daftykins> software choices are personal, so it's always a pretty boring topic because you should just experiment and pick what you get on with
[14:26] <cry0xen> does snap share libraries unlike flatpak?
[14:30] <ravage> cry0xen, https://snapcraft.io/docs/content-interface
[14:30] <ravage> one example is https://snapcraft.io/install/gnome-42-2204/ubuntu
[14:31] <ravage> or icon packs for applications
[14:32] <ogra> the mesa content snaps are also a good eample ... https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/10/canonicals-steam-snap-will-let-you-switch-between-different-mesa-stacks
[14:33] <ogra> (with a particular real-world use-case in that article 🙂 )
[15:47] <cry0xen> sorry for the late reply. I meant runtime environment libraries for apps. only debs does that i think
[15:48] <cry0xen> So you guys already know i am bit new to the game and looking for mostly lightweight alternatives. most of you thought its unnecessary and I think to some extent yes. Also i am trying to understand the community as well as operating system itself. Everything felt top notch. people can build their whole operating system from scratch. this was revolutionary. although i get stumble upon every now and then, there were alternatives and without few i
[15:48] <cry0xen> can live by my own.
[15:49] <cry0xen> however for some weird reason my system felt heavy
[15:50] <cry0xen> and just few moments ago i discovered why.... https://ludocode.com/blog/flatpak-is-not-the-future
[15:50] <cry0xen> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=287869
[15:51] <cry0xen> apps dont share libraries thats why my memory was spiking
[15:52] <daftykins> were you the one running a potato?
[15:52] <cry0xen> i was running 4-5 type of app libraries in a single system. (yeah i am a messy desktop user)
[15:52] <cry0xen> yes
[15:53] <cry0xen> but dont underestimate a potato... rasberry pi is a potato
[15:54] <cry0xen> i was calling windows bloat but situation here was beyond my understanding
[15:54] <daftykins> you're not running a Pi though, right?
[15:56] <cry0xen> no. but thats beside the point. being opinionated is good however being blind to reason/fact is completely different issue is altogether
[15:56] <daftykins> the spec of what you're running is absolutely relevant
[15:57] <cry0xen> u live in US?
[15:57] <daftykins> no
[16:00] <cry0xen> sounds like that. please do go through that discussion or the article. It talks about a severe problem. and those guys arent using a potato
[16:01] <daftykins> nah i'm not interested in the form of software you chose to run, it sounded like you only recently got told to install one
[16:01] <cry0xen> who told me to install what?
[16:04] <daftykins> so you're withholding the specs, ok cool
[16:04] <cry0xen> i use firefox(s), quassel(f), mpv(f), quassel , lireoffice(f), onlyoffice(s), gimp(d)
[16:04] <cry0xen> and few others
[16:06] <cry0xen> its a bad practice that apps dont share runtime libraries. cpu-z was only few 60kb on windows and same kinda app is 29 mb
[16:06] <cry0xen> its not just flatpak i think snap has same issue
[16:06] <daftykins> CPU-Z 1.93 is 3,993 KB for the x64 .exe
[16:07] <daftykins> somehow where i am in the world has an impact on my questions eh? o0
[16:14] <cry0xen> yeah but thats stereotypical of me.... you are judging me instead of the topic i put in front of you. usually often points out to the people privileged or immature personality. you also shut  the topic down the other time  because it didnt interest you on the process you completely overlooked that jan C took the time to find a link and post here about quod libet something i think he feels interested otherwise he wont do so
[16:22] <daftykins> how can it be about you when i don't know you? i'm judging the physical hardware you're using together with the software choices you have made
[16:22] <daftykins> you're currently racing toward an ignore because this is totally nonsensical
[16:29] <cry0xen> "The penalties of huge alternate runtimes aren’t just in storage and bandwidth.
[16:29] <cry0xen> Each app with a new runtime adds another hundred megs or more of RAM usage. This adds up fast. Most computers don’t have enough RAM to run all their apps with alternate runtimes. The Raspberry Pi 400 has only 4 GB of RAM. Low-end Chromebooks have only 2 GB. Budget laptops tend to have 8 GB, mostly thanks to the bloat of Windows 10, but these app packaging solutions are catching up to it."
[16:29] <cry0xen> i am out of words. nice chatting with you
[16:32] <daftykins> no specs, no assistance, no conversation
[16:32] <daftykins> well done at wasting our time


[05:42] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[05:48] <jibel> salut oSoMoN
[05:59] <jibel> jamesh, could you have a look at bug 1723312
[06:00] <jibel> introduced by latest gnome-software
[06:01] <jibel> hmm, more likely for robert
[06:01] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[06:06] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, jibel
[06:07] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:12] <jibel> morning duflu
[06:40] <jamesh> jibel: sure.
[07:14] <didrocks> good morning
[07:19] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:22] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, ton jour off était bien ?
[07:25] <oSoMoN> didrocks, super, grosse bouffe avec la belle-famille et bricolage le reste de la journée, une journée très agréable
[07:25] <oSoMoN> et toi, ça va?
[07:25] <didrocks> ça va, Martin a la roséole, donc 39.5 de fièvre hier soir, pendant la nuit et ce matin… donc… fatigué :p
[07:26] <didrocks> (il vient de sortir d'un rhume/fièvre, 2 jours de répis et hop…)
[07:27] <oSoMoN> pas cool
[07:27] <oSoMoN> bon courage!
[07:33] <didrocks> 'ci ;)
[07:39] <seb128> re
[07:39] <seb128> lut les frenchies
[07:40] <duflu> et tout le monde?
[07:40] <seb128> hey duflu
[07:40] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:40] <seb128> they were the only ones talking :p
[07:40] <seb128> but you are right
[07:40] <seb128> good morning desktopers :)
[07:40] <seb128> happy friday!
[07:41] <duflu> Trevinho, I'm happy with the maximize gradient :)
[07:42] <duflu> Oh wait, it's probably like midnight for you
[07:42] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, happy Friday!
[07:43] <didrocks> re seb128, hey duflu
[07:43] <duflu> Hey didrocks
[08:00] <jibel> jamesh, I think it's the crash identified when I tested g-s from the PPA but couldn't retrace. It happens when you log into U1
[08:46]  * duflu wonders why both gnome-system-monitor and iotop report video players as writing to disk and not reading
[08:46] <Tornado> Hello desktop team, what is the codename for Ubuntu 18.04LTS ?
[08:51] <jamesh> Tornado: it'll probably be announced shortly after 17.10 is released.  Until then, no one knows
[08:52] <Tornado> ok
[08:58] <Trevinho> duflu: it was 2ish... :D
[08:59] <Trevinho> but cool
[08:59] <jibel> duflu, iotop reports reads for me but g-s-m reports writes, which sounds wrong
[09:00] <jibel> vmstats reports reads too
[09:00] <jibel> tried with vlc
[09:01] <duflu> jibel, found the answer in the kernel structure. Those apps are reporting hardware reads for the process. Since I keep testing the same video it's in the cache and incurs no hardware reads. You need to monitor a different structure field to measure software disk reads
[09:01] <Trevinho> good night guys...
[09:01] <duflu> Good night/morning Trevinho
[09:02] <Trevinho> PS: I pushed some patches in mutter to be imported
[09:02] <andyrock> seb128: hey https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/1ad213da84f3614497bc65e9e93dca262c1944a6
[09:02] <duflu> jibel, the writes occur in 4096 block increments, so that sounds like ext4 journaling maybe
[09:03] <andyrock> seb128: it looks related to the removed patch from gnome-settings-daemon
[09:03] <seb128> andyrock, Trevinho hey
[09:03] <andyrock> even if unity-settings-daemon should ship with its own schema?
[09:03] <seb128> andyrock, fixed in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/3.26.1-0ubuntu4
[09:04] <andyrock> nice :)
[09:04] <duflu> jibel, so rightfully so, you only get hardware reads reported the first time. Then it's already in RAM :)
[09:05] <jibel> duflu, maybe but 12kB total reads reported by g-s-m for a 1.7GB video seems very little
[09:05] <jibel> i'll flush disk cache just to be sure
[09:05] <duflu> jibel, but is it the first time you've played/read it since rebooting?
[09:07] <jibel> duflu, yes
[09:07] <jibel> no difference
[09:07] <duflu> jibel, oh there's a second bug - g-s-m confuses reads for writes
[09:07] <jibel> I won't reboot now but it's odd
[09:07] <jibel> yup
[09:08] <duflu> jibel, iotop is more correct I think
[09:10] <Tornado> Have you planned to switch to Gnome 3.28 for the 18.04 ?
[09:11] <jibel> it's more accurate or use iostat
[09:17] <duflu> jibel, sigh. It seems gnome-system-monitor is comically inaccurate for both CPU and disk
[09:17] <duflu> Logging bugs now
[09:17] <duflu> (% CPU is only ever an integer multiple of NCPUs)
[09:21] <jibel> duflu, and the result seems to depend on the order of the colums
[09:22] <duflu> jibel, great! You log that one? :)
[09:22] <jibel> yes
[09:23] <jibel> I changed the order of the 'reads' column to be next to 'writes' and now it reports totem as 'reading' from disk and no more writes :)
[09:23] <duflu> jibel, OK that sounds less bad. It's just populating the table by column index
[09:24] <duflu> jibel, actually that's the same bug. I will log it
[09:28] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien, can you please have a look at bug #1722427.
[09:28] <GunnarHj> Would you be ok with uploading a lightdm patch with the proposed change?
[09:29] <seb128> hey GunnarHj
[09:29] <duflu> jibel, actually I can't reproduce what you say. Moving the columns keeps the same result. Just make sure you're playing some new video so the reads outweight the writes
[09:29] <seb128> GunnarHj, try emailing robert about it maybe?
[09:31] <GunnarHj> seb128: Don't think that's necessary in this case. The 'problematic' lightdm code was written by me...
[09:31] <seb128> GunnarHj, well he's the one uploading lightdm usually
[09:31] <seb128> GunnarHj, I'm sorry but I'm currently looking at Ubuntu changes trying to get those maybe on the iso today
[09:31] <seb128> lightdm can wait for next week
[09:32] <jibel> duflu, hmm, let me try again
[09:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: This is also an ISO issue, I think. Important for Kylin. Is Laney around today?
[09:33] <seb128> GunnarHj, no, he's travelling back from the U.S and having his friday off
[09:34] <GunnarHj> seb128: Can it wait till Monday? And still make it for the release?
[09:36] <duflu> jibel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bugs?search=Search&field.bug_reporter=vanvugt
[09:41] <seb128> GunnarHj, dunno but my focus is Ubuntu Desktop and lightdm is not used there so I've no time to spend on that review today sorry
[09:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, I'll try to reach out to Robert.
[09:42] <seb128> he's off for the w.e I expect
[09:44] <jibel> duflu, thanks. cannot reproduce the column swap, probably me misreading. However 1723376 is confirmed with a dd, write 2GB to disk and it sees only reads
[09:44] <duflu> jibel, thanks yeah I tried dd too
[09:45] <duflu> And in the end figured out where totem is skipping for a quarter of a second -- it's _writing_ something to disk
[09:49] <duflu> Although if that's the ext4 journal just recording access times then I'm out of luck :P
[09:51] <seb128> GunnarHj, is that a regression from this cycle?
[09:51] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes. It's due to a workaround in im-config which I discussed with Laney. That's why I asked for him.
[09:52] <seb128> k
[09:52] <seb128> does it impact any flavor?
[09:53] <GunnarHj> seb128: Not by default, I think. But Kylin has the fcitx stuff there by default for everyone.
[09:54] <seb128> GunnarHj, so your fix is a workaround?
[09:54] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes. I simply disable the error check code for ~/.profile and friends.
[09:57] <seb128> GunnarHj, that seems suboptimal? can't you just undo what you changed that made those errors be displayed?
[09:57] <GunnarHj> seb128: That would affect Ubuntu adversely wrt input methods.
[09:57] <seb128> GunnarHj, anyway I guess that can still be fixed on monday if it's important enough for kylin and they request to respin their iso to get it fixed
[09:59] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, let's hope so. It would really be good to talk with Laney about it, since he is updated on the im-config side of it and actually suggested the workaround there.
[10:00] <seb128> right
[10:24] <oSoMoN> seb128, is there still a chance to land a fix for bug #1718446 before release? note that it'd still need a review first, ideally from upstream
[10:28] <didrocks> oSoMoN: final freeze was yesterday, small fixes seem to still can go in, but that's it
[10:28] <didrocks> oSoMoN: we will need to upload it quickly to get a 0-day SRU though (as it's only going to impact people installing new packages, and so upgrades anyway)
[10:29] <oSoMoN> didrocks, yeah I know, I was unsure if that qualified for a freeze exception
[10:29] <seb128> oSoMoN, we discussed it with Didier yesterday and since unity isn't going to be picked instread of ubuntu-xorg (due to alphabetic sorting) we decided it was fine as a SRU and didn't need to be on the iso
[10:29] <oSoMoN> didrocks, do you think you could give it a review and let me know if the approach is sound?
[10:29] <oSoMoN> seb128, ok
[10:29] <didrocks> oSoMoN: I did give a look, but didn't test it, the approach is +1 for me
[10:29] <didrocks> oSoMoN: however, it will need some heavy testing IMHO
[10:30] <didrocks> like:
[10:30] <didrocks> - have gnome-classic, gnome-session, ubuntu-session and unity-session installed
[10:30] <didrocks> - have wayland enabled -> select a session (GNOME or Ubuntu), disabled wayland -> check the corresponding session is fallbacked to
[10:31] <didrocks> also, the contrary, don't select a session, have wayland disabled, log in in GNOME or Ubuntu, enable wayland -> check the correct session is selected
[10:31] <oSoMoN> I already tested the first use case (although I didn't have gnome-classic)
[10:31] <didrocks> - and every time check that all sessions appears as desired (on the menu item)
[10:32] <didrocks> are there any other corner cases we can think about?
[10:32] <didrocks> (that was the one that came to my mind)
[10:32] <didrocks> oSoMoN: if you can test those, I'm happy to +1 on the branches and we can prepare the SRU together
[10:33] <didrocks> (0-day SRU is possible and people won't see that it's not on the iso)
[10:33] <oSoMoN> didrocks, ok, I'll start another round of thorough testing right away
[10:33] <oSoMoN> I'll document what I test
[10:33] <didrocks> Thanks! If more scenarios come on your minds, do not hesitate
[10:33] <didrocks> in*
[10:41] <didrocks> Trevinho: hey, there is a regression the theme, similar to the one I fixed on the titlebar
[10:41] <didrocks> Trevinho: have a maximized app using headerbar
[10:42] <didrocks> switch between focus and backdrop mode
[10:42] <didrocks> there is a 2px shift, I guess due to your borders again
[10:42] <didrocks> (that was what I fixed a week ago, same for titlebars at the time…)
[11:04] <jibel> can anyone start a terminal in a live session with today's iso?
[11:04] <jibel> gnome-terminal
[11:09] <jibel> I get timeouts http://paste.ubuntu.com/25731598/
[11:11] <jibel> this is strange: cat /etc/locale.gen
[11:11] <jibel>  UTF-8
[11:12] <seb128> urg
[11:14] <jibel> and locale-gen works but return a bad entry for 'en_US.UTF-8 ' (with a space at the end
[11:14] <jibel> )
[11:14] <seb128> jibel, what language did you pick in the boot menu?
[11:14] <seb128> it works fine for me on yesterday's iso, let me download today's one
[11:15] <jibel> seb128, default
[11:15] <jibel> seb128, I booted directly to the lve session with 'Try ....'
[11:15] <seb128> k
[11:16] <jibel> please install xterm by default ;)
[11:17] <didrocks> I tried to donload today's one, can't even boot it despite trying 5 times to boot on boxes
[11:18] <seb128> didrocks, does it work in kvm/qemu?
[11:18] <didrocks> boot*
[11:18] <didrocks> I don't have the magic parameters for booting an iso there
[11:18] <didrocks> my previous config doesn't work
[11:18] <didrocks> do you have them?
[11:18] <seb128> kvm -m 1024 .iso
[11:18] <seb128> is what I do
[11:18] <seb128> on a stock install
[11:19] <seb128> it doesn't have proper resolution change handling etc
[11:19] <seb128> but it's enough to boot/test an issue
[11:20] <flocculant> jibel: grabbed ubuntu iso - terminal works ok for me
[11:20] <didrocks> confirming terminal not launching here
[11:22] <jibel> didrocks, it boots, you must skip the splash screen
[11:23] <jibel> fixed with latest kernel which should in theory be in next image
[11:23] <jibel> didrocks, or use cirrus or standard vga driver instead of qxl
[11:24] <jibel> seb128, againt which package should I file a bug for the locale
[11:24] <didrocks> jibel: yeah, so booted on kvm, and confirming your terminal issue
[11:24] <jibel> ?
[11:24] <jibel> didrocks, thanks
[11:24] <jibel> I'll report a bug for that too
[11:25] <seb128> jibel, good question, we might want to move that bug discussion to #ubuntu-devel, I don't see any recently changed package that could impact it
[11:26] <seb128> out of maybe livecd-rootfs
[11:26] <flocculant> jibel: is it likely to be something language/keymap related - wondering why it works ok for me
[11:27] <didrocks> flocculant: I'm using english, qwerty keyboard on that VM
[11:27] <flocculant> didrocks: ok - odd then :D
[11:27] <seb128> or systemd
[11:33] <seb128> didrocks, jibel. no such issue but I picked french on the syslinux menu by habit, trying with english noz
[11:33] <seb128> now
[11:34] <seb128> confirmed in english locale
[11:35] <didrocks> picking french works, confirmed
[11:35] <didrocks> yeah, reliably reproducible in English
[11:39] <jibel> bug 1723402
[11:39] <jibel> feel free to comment
[11:41] <jibel> when you select french there is no error when generating the locale
[11:41] <seb128> jibel, same issue on yesterday's iso
[11:42] <seb128> is that something you try to do often?
[11:42] <seb128> any idea around when it started being buggy?
[11:42] <jibel> seb128, no I don't often start a terminal in the live session
[11:42] <jibel> in english
[11:43] <jibel> and most of the time I use french when I test manually
[12:04] <willcooke> hi all. Friday!
[12:08] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[12:12] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke
[12:14] <oSoMoN> didrocks, seb128 : those are all the test cases I ran through, with results as expected
[12:14] <oSoMoN> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25731840/
[12:16] <didrocks> oSoMoN: waow, that's complete ;) the list of sessions displayed in GDM was always the one you expected I guess?
[12:16] <seb128> hey willcooke, happy friday
[12:19] <seb128> oSoMoN, the first item "log into ubuntu session, disable wayland, reboot, verify that it falls back to ubuntu" ... you mean "falls back to ubuntu-xorg"?
[12:19] <jibel> oSoMoN, can you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlans/ubuntu-session ?
[12:19] <jibel> or complete depending on the test
[12:19] <didrocks> ah, something to test if we shove that as a SRU is to ensure people doing partial upgrades aren't crashing at least
[12:20] <seb128> oSoMoN, though good, weird that sometime it doesn't indicate the selected session correctly but that's pretty minor
[12:20] <didrocks> yeah, it seems to be only in one case
[12:21] <didrocks> (from the code, the uploads can be independant and don't have side-effects)
[12:25] <didrocks> (commented and approved the code change at least, if all is ok, next step is to transform the bug in SRU, remove the extra old branch with -xorg hardcoding)
[12:26] <oSoMoN> didrocks, yeah, the list of sessions displayed was always as I expected
[12:26] <oSoMoN> seb128, no, I mean fall back to "ubuntu" indeed, because with those changes the fallback for /usr/share/wayland-sessions/ubuntu.desktop becomes /usr/share/xsessions/ubuntu.desktop
[12:27] <oSoMoN> jibel, I guess I'll wait for this to land before updating the test plane
[12:27] <oSoMoN> plan*
[12:27] <oSoMoN> didrocks, how do you test a partial upgrade?
[12:27] <didrocks> oSoMoN: just apt install <binary-package> you desired
[12:28] <didrocks> oSoMoN: but I think it's fine without testing (see my comments on the bug)
[12:28] <c-lobrano> hi all! (and happy Friday, too). I might have found a problem with ubuntu-themes revision 582
[12:28] <c-lobrano> scan-build headerbar button seems inverted
[12:28] <c-lobrano> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/dvJ4Jaev/inverted-button.png
[12:29] <c-lobrano> and I can't reproduce it in revision 581
[12:29] <jibel> oSoMoN, sure
[12:29] <seb128> oSoMoN, oh, right
[12:30] <seb128> hey c-lobrano
[12:30] <seb128> c-lobrano, try talking to Trevinho about it (he might be sleeping at this time though, he's in south america atm)
[12:31] <c-lobrano> hey seb128
[12:31] <c-lobrano> seb128: do you think I can leave a message here, or better try later?
[12:31] <seb128> c-lobrano, now should be fine, he might see that he go mentioned in the backlog already
[12:32] <c-lobrano> alright, thank you
[12:33] <seb128> yw, thanks for pointing it out
[12:33] <c-lobrano> so, Trevinho, could you have a look at ubuntu-themes rev 582, the picture above shows a weird scan-build button reverted
[12:33] <seb128> do you know if there is a such issue visible in any of the default installation softwares?
[12:34] <jibel> I didn't find any. It's the only app with a green drop down button I found
[12:34] <c-lobrano> seb128: afaik there isn't
[12:35] <c-lobrano> seb128: but there is a release version at version 584
[12:36] <c-lobrano> 16.10+17.10.20171012.1-0ubuntu1
[12:37]  * c-lobrano was working on LP 1721102 and couldn't figure out why on gtk inspector the fix looked good and on my patch didn't :D
[13:19] <willcooke> Trevinho, nice work on those crashers
[13:20] <willcooke> who will get them in to Ubunut?
[13:20] <willcooke> (re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1722811)
[13:20] <willcooke> will you do that Trevinho?
[13:23] <seb128> jbicha, ^ hey, can you help Trevinho to land those?
[13:27] <jbicha> Trevinho is already on weekend?
[13:27] <jbicha> just the 4 patches from https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788860 ?
[13:30] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/mutter/log?h=gnome-3-26
[13:31] <jbicha> the UI scaling and wayland-dma-buf commits look interesting too (we already have the error traps commit)
[13:33] <seb128> jbicha, he's in south america but on his own tz so likely not started his friday yet
[13:33] <jbicha> wow, he goes to all the continents :)
[13:34] <seb128> indeed
[13:36] <willcooke> if we can get those in this morning, I have lots of people here ready to test ;)
[13:36] <seb128> hehe
[13:37] <jbicha> seb128: so those 6 commits? (the 4 from the bug and the other 2 I mentioned?)
[13:37] <seb128> sounds right yes
[13:37] <seb128> jbicha, thanks
[13:38] <willcooke> thanks a lot jbicha
[13:38] <willcooke> (if indeed that was you offering to do it)
[13:39] <jbicha> yes, uploading directly to Ubuntu since Debian sync won't be available until this evening
[13:48] <willcooke> nice one, thanks jbicha
[14:17] <jbicha> mutter is in the artful unapproved queue now
[14:18] <seb128> thanks jbicha!
[14:25] <seb128> pitti, hey, do you offhand if there is/was some systemd encoding/mangling issue with %i use in unit (bug #1721839 is a side effect of that making usb printer not being correctly autoconfigured in artful because /sys entries have "x2d" instead of "-")
[14:27] <pitti> seb128: in meeting and I don't have context, but just quick pointer: maybe %I instead of %i?
[14:28] <pitti> (see man systemd.unit for the macros)
[14:30] <seb128> pitti, thanks, Till says that the printer stack side didn't change but somewhat in artful the "-" are transformed to "x2d" and xnox wrote that "The service is started, but the encoding/decoding of the %i name appears to be not round-trip safe."
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, anyway no worry, I was just asking in case it was a known issue/you would say "oh, it's fixed in trunk" or something
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, we just need to get it debugged, it's just that xnox seems too busy with other things, pre-release rush :)
[14:31] <pitti> no, I'm not aware of any recent change there; but then I haven't closely followed the recent release
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, enjoy your meeting (and then the w.e!)
[14:32] <seb128> pitti, thanks for replying!
[14:32] <seb128> pitti, oh and thanks for commenting on that shotwell bug as well
[14:32] <xnox> pitti, i don't have a proof that encoding has changed but Till did also say that using ="'%c'" vs ="%c" helped to preserve \ in the encoded strings.
[14:33] <xnox> pitti, i think it has something to do with the udev rules, units, and commands in question
[14:33] <xnox> pitti, but there is no way to umockdev record plugging printers in and out (interactive log of events) =/
[14:36] <pitti> xnox: recording uevents sounds like a nice addition :) but indeed, umockdev doesn't currently do that
[14:40] <jbicha> why does GDM apparently want to start the first session in alphabetical order?
[14:40] <seb128> xnox, does https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5072 sound like similar?
[14:40] <jbicha> for instance, I installed gnome-session and after rebooting, I got logged in to GNOME
[14:40] <seb128> jbicha, you mean?
[14:41] <jbicha> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2374046&page=2&p=13697457#post13697457
[14:41] <seb128> weird, there is a default session no?
[14:41] <jbicha> says he got logged in to some Kodi session after installing it
[14:44] <jbicha> I don't know if it's alphabetical but it is surprising
[14:44] <seb128> well it should select the default/previously selected session
[14:44] <jbicha> right
[14:44] <seb128> then it fallbacks alphabetically if that one is missing
[14:44] <seb128> maybe they uninstalled the ubuntu session somehow?
[14:45] <jbicha> this happened to me yesterday with a new clean install of Ubuntu (no old /home)
[14:46] <seb128> xnox, ignore that, sounds different, well I can't find an upstream report matching
[14:46] <seb128> jbicha, what session did you have on a new install? what did you get logged into?
[14:46] <jbicha> hmm, I should check again just to make sure that I didn't copy some file over
[14:47] <xnox> seb128, i believe in till's udev rules there is care taken to escape instance names, and then later use unescaped instance name.
[14:51] <seb128> jbicha, default install should only have ubuntu/ubuntu on xorg no? what did you get logged into? win10? ;-)
[14:52] <jbicha> I installed gnome-session, rebooted and got GNOME instead of Ubuntu but I'm going to try reproducing the issue to make sure it wasn't something else I did
[14:52] <seb128> k
[14:52] <seb128> thanks
[14:52] <seb128> open a bug if you can reproduce
[14:53] <seb128> oSoMoN, ^ you didn't see any behaviour like that in your testing?
[14:56] <oSoMoN> seb128, no, I didn't
[14:57] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks
[15:23] <oSoMoN> seb128, didrocks: good news, halfline acked my patch and wants it upstream
[15:23] <willcooke> nice oSoMoN :)
[15:26] <mitya57> tkamppeter, hi! One of my friends asked me about bug 559331. It is old but apparently still happens for him and is quite annoying. Do you know if modern printing stack has any solutions for this problem?
[15:27] <mitya57> He is using ‘sed -i '/Reason media-empty-warning/d' /etc/cups/printers.conf’ as a workaround, but that is not optimal :)
[15:34] <tkamppeter> mitya57, does this message disable the printer or does the printer still print?
[15:35] <mitya57> It disables it.
[15:37] <tkamppeter> mitya57, probably the best is if you report it upstream, at http://www.cups.org/
[15:38] <mitya57> tkamppeter, ok, will do
[15:40] <didrocks> oSoMoN: nice!
[15:53] <mhall119> kenvandine: ping
[15:54] <mhall119> is https://wiki.gnome.org/UbuntuMigrationToGNOME finished or are you planning on adding more?
[15:54] <kenvandine> mhall119, i'll probably add a little more
[15:55] <kenvandine> davidcalle, are you still planning to write the scopes part?
[15:55] <mhall119> are you going to put screenshots (before and after style)?
[15:55] <jbicha> you can get a form of LIM with Tweaks > Top Bar > turn off Applications Menu then log out and log back in
[15:56] <kenvandine> mhall119, yeah
[15:57] <jbicha> probably one of the trickiest parts of GNOME 3 for new users is the Application Menu in the top bar so please mention that
[15:58] <jbicha> if someone wants file search, they'll need to install tracker and log out and log in.
[15:59] <jbicha> It can be configured with Settings > Search (click the gear button)
[15:59] <kenvandine> jbicha, would you mind adding that to the wiki page?
[15:59] <kenvandine> that's good stuff to mention
[16:00] <jbicha> uh oh, I'm getting trapped into writing docs again ;)
[16:00] <kenvandine> lol
[16:02] <mhall119> lol
[16:08] <jbicha> didrocks: are you saying that a main Depends: xterm | gnome-terminal will still try to pull xterm in to main?
[16:09] <xnox> seb128, Laney, didrocks - who can i discuss languagepacks and systemd translations with?
[16:09] <jbicha> because that's how I did the uploads so that it's easier to upstream to Debian
[16:09] <xnox> it seems they are currently broken, not sure if we care, and what is the ideal path forward to fix that?
[16:10] <jbicha> didrocks: did you want to try demoting xterm and see if component-mismatches complains ?
[16:10] <didrocks> jbicha: I think it needs to be tested if it doesn't pull it in any iso
[16:10] <didrocks> jbicha: as told on the email, I vary doing that at that time of the cycle
[16:10] <didrocks> jbicha: I would prefer doing that next cycle now
[16:11] <didrocks> it's late, I don't want potentially to break some iso builds so close to the release
[16:11] <didrocks> xnox: hum, langpacks are really seb128's special favorite :)
[16:11] <jbicha> xterm isn't on the Ubuntu 17.10 iso, it is on MATE, Kylin, Studio, Xubuntu
[16:12] <didrocks> jbicha: ok, so no iso with Main enabled only?
[16:12] <xnox> didrocks, i think journal catalogs is the bulk of systemd translations, and they are in their own special format (naturally) thus i guess i need to somehow ship them all, and then disect that into langpacks.
[16:12] <didrocks> unsure still if we should do that now, I don't really see any benefit than waiting for a week
[16:13] <jbicha> didrocks: right, there should only be one desktop Main iso :)
[16:13] <xnox> didrocks, maybe a custom tarball/byproduct, generated by the lang-pack extractor.
[16:13] <didrocks> xnox: yeah, I didn't look for some years at the whole launchpad import machinery/extractions, so I wouldn't be a good advisor TBH :)
[16:13] <didrocks> nice that they have their own special format… humf
[16:14] <jbicha> didrocks: the benefit is we can have ubuntu-release-upgrader mark xterm as obsolete if it's not in main any more (I believe) so it makes the Activities Overview cleaner for upgraders
[16:14] <didrocks> what is translated in systemd? the journal catalogs
[16:14] <didrocks> jbicha: which can happen during 17.10 -> 18.04 update as well, no?
[16:14] <jbicha> I've been fighting with xterm for 6 years so what's a little bit longer? ;)
[16:15] <didrocks> yes! :)
[16:15] <didrocks> jbicha: seeing the number of time it has been promoted and demoted, I would stay on the cautious side
[16:16] <seb128> oSoMoN, of, nice for gdm, well done ;-)
[16:17] <seb128> xnox, I plan to comment on that systemd bug, just got busy today
[16:17] <jbicha> willcooke: mutter just landed in artful so maybe an hour or so for it to show up on mirrors? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/3.26.1-2ubuntu1
[16:22] <jbicha> didrocks: btw, Debian managed to get gjs/mozjs52 to build on s390x https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=gjs&suite=experimental
[16:22] <didrocks> hum, do we want to reintroduce desktop on s390x for next cycle? We'll see :p
[16:22] <xnox> didrocks, no
[16:22] <xnox> didrocks, no
[16:23] <xnox> didrocks, no
[16:23] <jbicha> well we'll get the packages back for free
[16:24] <jbicha> we don't have to build 'ubuntu-desktop' for s390x if we don't want to, but I don't think having a gnome-shell package that no one uses would hurt?
[16:24] <didrocks> and next cycle, we'll have breakage agian
[16:24] <didrocks> it's going to block on migration
[16:25] <didrocks> we'll have to spend time removing them again
[16:25] <didrocks> so not really "for free"
[16:25] <jbicha> we're sticking with mozjs52 for 18.04
[16:25] <xnox> whatever is the least maintainance.
[16:25] <jbicha> at least for 18.04's initial release
[16:27] <jbicha> Mozilla introduced a big-endian regression that Debian's Firefox package untangled so we could probably get firefox/s390x back too
[16:27] <xnox> jbicha, last time we had it built, it would fail to start to the point of drawing the main window =/
[16:35]  * oSoMoN EOW
[16:35] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone
[17:31] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i have a question about dbus names
[17:31] <kenvandine> 2017-10-13T13:19:42-04:00 INFO snap "gnome-2048" has bad plugs or slots: gnome-2048 (DBus bus name must not end with -NUMBER)
[17:31] <kenvandine> gnome-2048 registers org.gnome.gnome-2048
[17:47] <willcooke> jbicha, Trevinho - initial report is that the problem is fixed!  Thanks a lot
[17:52] <jdstrand> kenvandine: I did this for a reason. gimme a sec
[17:54] <jdstrand> ah right
[17:55] <tkamppeter> Any one has an idea what to do with bug 1723197: There a crash in cups-browsed is reported and the threaded stack trace does not touch any line of the cups-browsed code.
[17:56] <jdstrand> kenvandine: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/interfaces/builtin/dbus.go#L237
[17:56] <kenvandine> jdstrand, ah
[17:57] <jdstrand> kenvandine: and https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/interfaces/builtin/dbus.go#L178
[17:57] <jdstrand> it's kde
[17:57] <Trevinho> willcooke: :)
[17:57] <Trevinho> willcooke: I was able to reproduce it eventually, and so I did some refactoring
[17:58] <jdstrand> kenvandine: with kde, they do org.kde.foo-$pid
[17:58] <Trevinho> jbicha: thanks for the patch
[17:59] <jdstrand> as a result, I could request a snap with org.gnome.gnome, then claim org.gnome.org-2048 and break you
[17:59] <kenvandine> jdstrand, in this case it's the gapplication registration, the name is actually org.gnome.gnome-2048
[17:59] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:59] <jdstrand> no, I understand
[18:00] <sarnold> tkamppeter: dmesg looks unhappy -- maybe suggest a reboot followed by fsck?
[18:05] <tkamppeter> sarnold, done, thank you.
[18:12] <Trevinho> jbicha: for having the complete crash fixes (well at this point it would just be a warning), can you also backport to g-s https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?h=gnome-3-26&id=5f8a5114833d7d31d4bd64affbd323bb7252c3d0 ?
[18:28] <willcooke> jibel, is a suspend resume cycle part of our testing?  Hard to do in a vm I expect.
[18:52] <jbicha> Trevinho: if it's just a warning, shouldn't we just wait for 3.26.2?
[18:54] <c-lobrano> Hi Trevinho, I was wondering if you've seen my message about ubuntu-themes, since I sent it when you were not connected
[19:58] <Trevinho>  c-lobrano: nope...
[19:58] <Trevinho> jbicha: well.. It could still cause some problems in allocation. So better to land it
[19:59] <jbicha> Trevinho: could you file a LP bug for it then for queue tracking?
[20:00] <Trevinho> jbicha: I think there's already let me check
[20:03] <Trevinho> jbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1717170
[20:08] <c-lobrano> Trevinho: ubuntu-themes revision 582 seems having inverted simple-scanner's button. I can't reproduce this behavior on 581
[20:08] <c-lobrano> ^ https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/dvJ4Jaev/inverted-button.png
[20:37] <dmj_s76> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788901
[20:37] <dmj_s76> Can we get this patch into the artful mutter package.
[20:39] <dmj_s76> It fixes a regression between zesty and artful that prevents users (especially on nvidia) from using their hidpi laptop display with an external monitor plugged in.
[20:43] <jbicha> dmj_s76: it's not been pushed upstream yet. Could you ask again Monday morning when more people are around?
[20:43] <dmj_s76> jbicha: sure
[20:44] <jbicha> because we are in Final Freeze, one answer might be to do it as a zero-day SRU (in other words, it will be available in -updates on release day instead of on the official Ubuntu ISO)
[20:44] <dmj_s76> jbicha: That would work for us.
[20:45] <dmj_s76> It's needed for use so we can automatically handle hidpi multimonitor configuration like we do on Unity.
[20:47] <jbicha> are you using an extra tool for that in 17.10?
[20:49] <dmj_s76> jbicha: So, this patch fixes issues for mutter's monitor config that impact gnome control center in ugly ways too...
[20:50] <jbicha> did you see the mutter update earlier today in artful?
[20:50] <dmj_s76> jbicha: It also fixes issue that block us from shipping a tool with our system76 driver in 17.10 that we've been shipping on 16.04 and 17.04.
[20:51] <jbicha> if you'd reached me 20 minutes sooner, I might have pushed it in a Debian mutter upload I just did
[20:51] <dmj_s76> jbicha: ah darn!
[20:56] <dmj_s76> Right now our tool is fairly specialized to system76 hardware, but once I finish porting to gnome, I'm hoping to find a sane way to generalize it.
[23:17] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: ouch, yeah.. also the cancel button seems not to be the best (you can enable it with the inspector, setting it visible)... If you have some time to check why, it would be cool :)
[23:18] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: I guess borders are wrong since we override them, but not doing it properly for inline buttons when it's :first-child or :last-child
[23:19] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: otherwise assign me a bug
[23:19] <Trevinho> but I can't do it too quickly, thanks for spotting it though
[23:20] <Trevinho> in that scenario also distructive action seems not to be correct (if you enable the cancel button from the inspector, again, or you actualy start scanning :)
[23:20] <Trevinho> enable = set the visibile property to TRUE


[17:22] <brainwash> I've set the status of all affected packages to incomplete, but the auto expire countdown did not start.
[17:22] <brainwash> bug 1175601
[17:23] <brainwash> usually it does, so why not this time?
[20:18] <sergio-br2> hello
[20:18] <sergio-br2> does someone knows if is this right?
[20:18] <sergio-br2> 3.10.44-11ddaac-20150109-11 < 3.10.44-981b066-20150109-10
[20:18] <sergio-br2> 3.10.44-11ddaac-20150109-11 is lower than 3.10.44-981b066-20150109-10 ?
[20:22] <dobey> yes
[20:23] <teward> sergio-br2: yes, because the 981b066 is higher than 11ddaac
[20:24] <dobey> sergio-br2: you should not include git revision hash values in version numbers. it's a bad idea
[20:24] <sergio-br2> hum, so you got problem to update like this version numbering
[20:24] <sergio-br2> but I can add git ids in the end, right?
[20:24] <dobey> also, version numbers should only have one - in them for debian packages
[20:24] <teward> i agree with dobey on both counts
[20:24] <dobey> no, you should have the git id in the version at all, really
[20:25] <teward> sergio-br2: you shouldn't have the gitid in the version at all, in fact, better to refer to the git rev in the changelog instead for a new release based off a different gitid
[20:26] <dobey> if the git tree was imported to a bzr branch in some way, you can use the bzr revno, which is just a number so much better for version numbering, or you can use just the timestamp
[20:26] <dobey> but hash strings are very bad for version comparison
[20:26] <sergio-br2> yeah, i use it
[20:26] <sergio-br2> the revno
[20:27] <dobey> hashes are not incremental
[20:27] <dobey> they are just hashes
[20:27] <sergio-br2> yup
[20:27] <sergio-br2> thanks
[20:28] <teward> sergio-br2: the way i get the git hash in, if i have to, i put that in the changelogs for the package - "New release based off of upstream git (HASHHERE)", but the hash string should never be in the version string for the package, as dobey says
[20:28] <teward> (for sanity and version comparison)
[20:29] <sergio-br2> yeah
[20:29] <sergio-br2> just curious
[20:29] <sergio-br2> trying to help a friend
[21:03] <mtrnord> hello :D how long does it usually take until I will retrive an Email after uploading the source?
[21:04] <dobey> infinitely long if your package didn't have a valid gpg signature
[21:04] <dobey> otherwise, normally a few minutes for an accept/reject mail
[21:06] <mtrnord> dobey: :/ than it seems that my gpg signature has a problem. But on my PC is everything correct (in the terminal are no errors). And I added this key to Launchpad also. What is maybe my problem?
[21:07] <dobey> did the package appear in your ppa?
[21:08] <mtrnord> ahh I see Launchpad use the wrong alias :/
[21:08] <dobey> well, there you go
[21:12] <mtrnord> no it works :D I get an reject email. But I thing that is better than nothing :D
[21:12] <mtrnord> *now


[04:31] <ngocok> Hi, how do you move Close button, Minimize & maximize button to the left on Kubuntu 15.10?
[05:53] <copenhagen> theres somthing going on with kubuntu where one or 2 of the cpu cores will just be at 100%
[05:53] <copenhagen> no apps open or anything
[05:55] <copenhagen> its konsole
[05:55] <copenhagen> console says its using 25%
[05:55] <copenhagen> but its not open and it happened the other day too but i didnt check what it was
[07:38] <kitsune_flame> hey, anyone here that would like to know about an interesting bug?
[07:40] <kitsune_flame> so I installed the Backports PPA and now Kmail is broke because Akonadi only wants to use MySQL.  It will not install the SQLite backend
[07:40] <kitsune_flame> just thought someone in here might want to know because this effectively breaks Kmail.
[07:40] <kitsune_flame> Also, why does Akonadi default to MySQL?
[07:41] <kitsune_flame> seems a bit excessive
[07:41] <valorie> kitsune_flame: please file a bug on bugs.kde.org
[07:41] <valorie> that isn't a problem with our packaging, i think
[07:47] <kitsune_flame> valorie: when i try to "sudo aptitude install akonadi-backend-sqlite" it trys to downgrade all KDE packages to the 5.4 version.
[07:47] <valorie> !info akonadi-backend-sqlite
[07:48] <valorie> hmmm, perhaps there is a dependency that is hard-coded
[07:49] <valorie> kitsune_flame: for that one, perhaps try reporting a bug via the cli: `ubuntu-bug akonadi-backend-sqlite`
[07:49] <valorie> that's some good detective work you did
[07:50] <valorie> it's possible that that is already fixed in backports-landing PPA
[07:50] <kitsune_flame> oh, i know my stuff :P
[07:50] <kitsune_flame> this one had me for a good fifteen minutes.
[07:51] <kitsune_flame> i'm kinda new to PLasma 5, useed gnome for forever wanted to give KDE a chance again so I went with Kubuntu because it's what I used KDE with last
[07:52] <kitsune_flame> really I can't wait for that mac style global menu plugin to land.  saves screen real estate
[07:53] <hateball> do you use Qt apps exclusively
[07:53] <hateball> because I am sure that many of the apps I use wont respect any global menu
[07:53] <kitsune_flame> if I use KDE I like to use as much of the platform as possible within reason
[07:54] <hateball> Nice
[07:57] <kitsune_flame> and filed
[07:58] <valorie> thank you very much
[07:59] <kitsune_flame> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/1549656
[09:42] <andybrine> Morning everyone
[09:43] <andybrine> Quick question, when I go to online accounts there is no option to add a google account
[09:43] <andybrine> does anyone know how to fix that?
[09:44] <hateball> andybrine: is this in 15.10 ?
[09:44] <andybrine> yes
[09:44] <hateball> I have no general "online accounts" settings in 14.04, is why I am asking
[09:44] <andybrine> oh ok
[09:44]  * hateball liveboots a 15.10 next to him
[09:45] <Smurphy> google account has nothing to do with kubuntu.
[09:45] <andybrine> cool thanks
[09:45] <Smurphy> And - google account is not a question. The question you should rather ask is: How can I access my google mails from kubuntu ?
[09:45] <Smurphy> by example.
[09:45] <andybrine> it just does not appear as an option in online accounts
[09:45] <Smurphy> yes - because a google account is not an account per se.
[09:46] <Smurphy> You can connect to a google Mail account using imaps ?
[09:46] <andybrine> thats not what I want to do
[09:46] <hateball> andybrine: It's available for me at least
[09:46] <hateball> hmmm
[09:46] <hateball> wait a second...
[09:46] <andybrine> thank you hateball
[09:46] <hateball> andybrine: no, I am using 16.04 alpha on this stick
[09:46] <hateball> andybrine: So... it will *be* available at least :p
[09:47] <andybrine> it says that it should be available in that list
[09:47] <andybrine> lol
[09:47] <andybrine> In gnome shell I could add google as an online account
[09:48] <hateball> hmmm, I can pick it but I dont get prompted to auth
[09:48] <hateball> so it seems broken regardless
[09:48] <hateball> other options such as AOL seem to work
[09:49] <hateball> In fact all options except Google works. Also amusing that the dialog mentions ownCloud, but has no setting for it
[09:50] <andybrine> ok
[09:51] <andybrine> there were  a few conflicts with google accounts in gnome
[09:51] <andybrine> so maybe its been disabled
[09:51] <hateball> andybrine: suppose you could find the bug page for https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Workspace/WebAccounts
[09:52] <hateball> well it's http://bugs.kde.org and then tag it with that I guess
[09:53] <andybrine> ok thanks
[09:53] <andybrine> Its so my google calendar with integrated with my desktop
[09:54] <andybrine> do you know what package it is? I will reinstall is as well
[09:54] <andybrine> see if that brings it back to life
[10:01] <hateball> andybrine: not really no. it seems to be started with kcmshell5 kcm_kaccounts tho
[10:01] <hateball> andybrine: I see that I have a bunch of dead "/usr/bin/signonpluginprocess oauth2" after clicking google
[10:01] <hateball> andybrine: so... that should give you more to... google
[10:02] <andybrine> yea, thanks
[10:02] <andybrine> I will have a look see
[10:03] <hateball> andybrine: well this is weird. I restarted the live-session and pressed google, now it popped up an auth form
[10:04] <hateball> andybrine: I tried it without network connection first, so perhaps the process hung and then newly started ones refused to work as well, even after having network
[10:04] <andybrine> I think i removed it when installing kububuntu
[10:04] <andybrine> sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq account-plugin-google unity-scope-gdrive
[10:04] <andybrine> thats the command I was told to use to fix the install
[10:05] <hateball> andybrine: package is kaccounts-providers
[10:05] <andybrine> now I cant get it back
[10:06] <hateball> actually you will want to install kaccounts-integration and kaccounts-providers
[10:06] <hateball> both those should be pulled in with the kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[10:07] <andybrine> ok awesome, let me install them
[10:08] <andybrine> i get an error when installing kaccounts-providers
[10:10] <andybrine> here is my pastebin: http://pastebin.com/N1ufR0Hu
[10:13] <hateball> andybrine: I wonder if you have some gnome/unity packages that mess this up
[10:14] <hateball> andybrine: was this a clean kubuntu install from the start?
[10:14] <andybrine> no I installed it through gnome-shell
[10:14] <andybrine> so think the conflicts come from unity
[10:15] <hateball> andybrine: well, perhaps you dont need the providers package, I dont really know which accounts it adds
[10:15] <andybrine> to install it was recomended that I remove google online accounts
[10:15] <hateball> andybrine: but you should able to search for packages that relate to this for gnome
[10:15] <hateball> and slay them
[10:16] <andybrine> yea, that would be goof
[10:16] <andybrine> good8
[10:16] <andybrine> I dont want to skrew up my system though
[10:16] <andybrine> I just want my google calendar events to appear on my calendar on my desktop
[10:17] <andybrine> and I cant do that
[10:20] <hateball> well I dont know what gnome/unity packages could be related, as I only use kde
[10:20] <hateball> andybrine: perhaps someone in #ubuntu would know more
[10:21] <andybrine> thats a good shout. I may ask in there
[13:13] <gnucat> hi, where can I get Kubuntu 16.04 alpha ?
[13:19] <lordievader> gnucat: iso.qa.ubuntu.com has all the links.
[13:19] <lordievader> gnucat: Also would you be so kind as to report there how your install went?
[13:20] <lordievader> If one of the categories applies, that is.
[13:21] <gnucat> lordievader: thanks
[13:21] <gnucat> will do, but I cannot find the iso to download
[13:21] <soul_> hey gnucat, are you the one from the blog?
[13:22] <gnucat> soul_: no, i dont have a blog at all
[13:22] <gnucat> + hey
[13:22] <soul_> cat = the animal?
[13:22] <lordievader> gnucat: 64bit or 32bit?
[13:22] <gnucat> soul_: yeah
[13:22] <soul_> ah ok
[13:22] <gnucat> lordievader: 64bit
[13:22] <soul_> :D
[13:22] <lordievader> gnucat: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20160224/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:23] <lordievader> Beta1 links to ^
[13:23] <gnucat> lordievader: thanks
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:39] <soul_> Hello BluesKaj :D
[13:47] <BluesKaj> hi soul_
[14:26] <Mylon> Well that was weird.  I hit the power button and then closed my laptop.  When I turned it back on I could see some of the workspace plus the "We'll log you out in 20 seconds" message.  I had enough time to hit cancel, then it went to the lock screen.
[14:27] <Mylon> I guess trying to hibernate doesn't cancel trying to sleep.
[14:42] <toshiba> hola
[14:43] <hateball> hello
[14:44] <hateball> !es | toshiba
[14:44] <toshiba> alguien seria tan amable, de decirme si se puede eliminar la secion de invitado en kubuntu, soy nuevo en esto, vengo de windows y no se como se hace
[14:45] <toshiba> hateball:  hola
[14:48] <hateball> yes hello, do you have a question?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> oooh cruel hombre' , sound like some out of the old movie westerns :-)
[14:50] <BluesKaj> something even
[14:50] <hombre_cruel> if so sorry for my bad English to be the translator of google, to see if someone can help me, I'm new to linux, I would like to know how I can remove secion guest in kubuntu
[14:51] <guest273> good morning yesterday I did a fresh install desktop
[14:51] <guest273> updated and now won't boot totaly
[14:51] <guest273> any place to start
[14:52] <BluesKaj> hombre_cruel, suggest you join #ubuntu-es , no translator needed there
[14:52] <hateball> hombre_cruel: Is it 14.04 or 15.10 ?
[14:52] <guest273> 15.10
[14:53] <hombre_cruel> hateball:  es kubuntu 15.10
[14:53] <hateball> guest273: When booting, hold/hammer shift to get into the grub menu, pick an older kernel and see if that's the culprit
[14:54] <BluesKaj> or the rescue kernel
[14:54] <guest273> OK dies at ondemand. service
[14:56] <hateball> Hmmm, I do not have an installed 15.10 system here so I am not sure about the guest account
[14:56] <guest273> it's a vm will take a few tries
[14:56] <hateball> I am guessing it is configured through SDDM
[14:58] <hombre_cruel> thank you, can you tell me how I connect to a channel kubuntu in Spanish? exists?
[14:58] <hateball> !es | hombre_cruel
[14:58] <hateball> I just did ;p
[14:59] <BluesKaj> hombre_cruel, can't you read Spanish?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> wow
[15:01] <BluesKaj> guest273, what's your host OS ?
[15:03] <guest273> I  win 7 vmworkstation 11
[16:24] <usaf_> guys got a question... is there a project neon channel already?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> usaf_, your search is as good as mine :-)
[16:29] <strayPuppy> usaf_: #kde-neon ?
[16:29] <usaf_> that looks spot on straypuppy  thanks a lot
[16:30] <strayPuppy> np :)
[17:54] <al8989> hello i am trying to install the printer driver for my hp printer i downloaded the linuxprint drivers, however when i runthe install it gets hung up on dependancy and conflict resolution any suuggestions?
[18:04] <al8989> hello i need help installing thehp linux printing drivers
[18:06] <Smurphy> al8989: What tyoe of printer do you have ?
[18:06] <Smurphy> and what system did you install (Version)
[18:07] <al8989> hp officejet 8600
[18:07] <al8989> version 3.16.2 of the hp printer driver and using ubuntu 14.04
[18:08] <al8989> kubuntu 14.04sorry
[18:09] <Smurphy> why you want to install special drivers. Should work with regular HP Driverfs.
[18:09] <al8989> the install hangs at dependency and conflict resolution
[18:09] <al8989> thats what i am installing
[18:09] <al8989> the regualr hp driver off thewebsite
[18:09] <Smurphy> yes, but why do you want to use these drivers ?
[18:09] <al8989> i figuredthey werebettersincethey werenewerversion
[18:10] <Smurphy> But why don't you just try to use the drivers already installed ?
[18:11] <al8989> o well i did try to set them up but i don't see any hp icon like on my other kubuntu 14.01 pc
[18:12] <al8989> so ithought they were generic non hp drivers
[18:12] <al8989> it does work but i have more features on my other ubuntu pc using th same printer
[18:13] <al8989> that other oc uses the latest drivers
[18:13] <al8989> that other pc uses the latest drivers
[18:13] <Smurphy> Adn the other ubuntu PC uses the new drivers ?
[18:13] <al8989> yes
[18:14] <Smurphy> or did you just install a newer ubuntu version on it ?
[18:14] <al8989> because the pckeeps asking me to update the drivers everytime  anewone comes out
[18:14] <al8989> where this other pc does not
[18:15] <Smurphy> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[18:15] <BluesKaj> get rid of the HP notifier
[18:15] <Smurphy> Try that.
[18:19] <al8989> did not work said aptitude notfound
[18:19] <al8989> command notfound
[18:24] <BluesKaj> al8989, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[18:25] <BluesKaj> al8989, then sudo apt dist-upgrade
[18:26] <al8989> that work
[18:27] <al8989> waiti got an unable to lock administration directory
[18:27] <BluesKaj> close your package manager
[18:28] <BluesKaj> or software center
[19:19] <mazer> hello
[19:19] <mazer> changed kubuntu for a while to kali linux
[19:19] <mazer> but can't wait new version of kubuntu
[19:19] <mazer> hey can someone help me with kubuntu?
[19:20] <mazer> I have a problem
[19:20] <mazer> sometimes  my screen doesn's start
[19:20] <mazer> i have to turn off computer and start again
[19:20] <mazer> is has something with acpi
[19:49] <dhanraj> hello
[19:50] <dhanraj> need help
[19:50] <dhanraj> asap
[19:50] <dhanraj> anyone?
[19:59] <lordievader> !ask | dhanraj
[20:01] <dhanraj> !ask is there any method to find in which source file perticuler function is residing? if yes then how?
[20:02] <dhanraj> !patience
[20:09] <lordievader> dhanraj: What do you mean?
[20:13] <dhanraj> lordievader: i was trying to solve a bug but i could not find the source file but now i have found a solution but now there is one more problem : how to use libsolv?
[20:21] <lordievader> No idea.
[20:45] <dhanraj> lordievader: ok
[21:58] <maxx__> hi. does the libreoffice package from the ubuntu repositories use gtk?
[21:58] <bprompt> maxx__:   no that I know of, it uses its own GUI
[21:59] <genii> Yes, the short answer is "neither"
[22:00] <genii> maxx__: https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/81/which-gui-toolkit-is-used-by-lo/
[22:01] <maxx__> i was wondering because firefox' save dialog icons look very similar to the icons in the libreoffice toolbar to me
[22:06] <bprompt> maxx__:   if your gtk active theme looks like Libreoffice's GUI, that'd explain it :)
[22:06] <bprompt> on my end, they do not look the same
[22:07] <maxx__> i am using kde. where can i set the gtk theme there?
[22:09] <bprompt> maxx__:     System Settings > Application Appearance > GTK appearance
[22:10] <bprompt> the so-called "widget style" has a list of all gtk themes installed, and you can pick any, that a gtk app would use, keeping in mind, kde apps will use kde themes though, not gtk's
[23:31] <Bromo> Hey I have Kubuntu
[23:32] <Bromo> But let's say I want to use a different DE, like xfce
[23:32] <Bromo> How would I do that?
[23:32] <Bromo> I'm using a live version now and it gives me an error about too little space, even though ive set it to 20gb
[23:33] <mparillo> Could you double check the warning? It might be that your RAM that supplies the virtual file system used while live is running out, not your target partition.
[23:34] <Bromo> okay
[23:34] <Bromo> let me try it again
[23:34] <valorie> Bromo: sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop
[23:34] <Bromo> I've set 2GB RAM btw
[23:34] <valorie> oops, in a live session that isn't possible
[23:36] <mparillo> I know I get that warning in my live sessions on my netbook, but I only have 1GB.
[23:36] <Bromo_> woops not sure what happened there
[23:38] <Bromo_> well i tried cinnamon
[23:38] <Bromo_> but it says it cant find the package
[23:39] <valorie> !info cinnamon-desktop
[23:39] <Bromo_> But I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qHMXu99d88
[23:39] <Bromo_> oh shit
[23:39] <Bromo_> wrong thing
[23:40] <genii> Bromo_: enable the universe repository
[23:40] <Bromo_> its basically sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:moorkai/cinnamon
[23:40] <genii> You don't need to add PPAs. Just enable the universe repository, cinnamon is in it
[23:40] <genii> !info cinnamon
[23:41] <genii> !repos
[23:41] <Bromo_> okay I'll do some reading :) new to linux, just a min haha
[23:42] <valorie> just remember to back up your stuff - if you want to experiment, you'll break things
[23:42] <valorie> that's ok, you've got a backup of your data
[23:42] <valorie> just reinstall; quick, easy
[23:42] <Bromo_> thats why its a live in a virtual machine
[23:42] <Bromo_> i can screw around as much as I like :)
[23:43] <Bromo_> unless there's a command for infecting the host OS and eating it alive...? :o
[23:44] <valorie> usually it takes a user to eat an OS alive.....
[23:48] <Bromo> Okay, I've ticked the universe button in Muon
[23:48] <Bromo> It was already ticked


[01:17] <Derpadong> Anyone alive?
[01:17] <GridCube> !anyone
[01:17] <GridCube> /query anyone
[01:18] <Derpadong> Just asking
[01:18] <Derpadong> Its been dead every time I come in here
[01:18] <Anyone> Oh, hi.
[01:18] <GridCube> XD
[01:18] <Derpadong> Lol
[01:18] <Derpadong> Where is the default themes file?
[01:19] <knome> /usr/share/themes/greybird, if you are using the latest xubuntu
[01:19] <orngjce223> /usr/share/themes/ (stuff) mostly
[01:21] <Derpadong> Thank you.
[01:25] <Guest82019> how do I play WMV files?
[01:25] <GridCube> install gstreamer
[01:25] <Hurray> just google that and install? or how?
[01:26] <GridCube> no use the software center
[01:26] <GridCube> or synaptic
[01:26] <knome> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:26] <GridCube> you dont need google
[01:26] <GridCube> what knome said
[01:28] <Hurray> cool, Im Dling now thanks
[01:29] <Hurray> I'm really new to linux, why do you all use xubuntu?
[01:29] <knome> it's quite light, it's pretty conservative with xfce, and easily configurable
[01:30] <Hurray> what is xfce?
[01:30] <knome> xfce is the desktop environment in xubuntu
[01:30] <Hurray> interesting
[01:31] <Hurray> and do you use this as your main OS?
[01:31] <knome> yes, exclusively
[01:31] <Hurray> cool
[01:31] <Hurray> you ever get a virus?
[01:32] <knome> no, there is pretty much no viruses in linux, and even those will need you to do something sub-optimal, that is, inserting your root/sudo password in a wrong spot
[01:35] <Hurray> is there any way to check your system for viruses?
[01:35] <knome> !info clamav
[01:36] <Hurray> !tahnks for all the info and help
[01:37] <knome> no problem, have fun with xubuntu
[01:38] <Hurray> hhm, when I go to a website....and clcik a wmv link/file it doesn't open, what do I do?
[01:39] <GridCube> it should play using the totem plugin
[01:39] <GridCube> you do need the restricted extras to be installed
[01:39] <knome> or if not, use the mozilla-mplayer package
[01:39] <Hurray> sudo apt-install totem?
[01:40] <GridCube> (as a last option you could try the vlc plugin, but i don't really know if thats a good idea)
[01:40] <GridCube> Hurray, totem should be already installed on your system
[01:41] <Hurray> so how do i make totem work?
[01:41] <GridCube> you just need to end installing the restricted extras as knome said to you earlier
[01:41] <GridCube> open a termina and write:
[01:41] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:42] <GridCube> then put your password
[01:42] <Hurray> I did that
[01:42] <Hurray> installed it
[01:42] <Hurray> agreed to EULA
[01:43] <Hurray> hmm this is the last thing in terminal
[01:43] <Hurray> Setting up icedtea6-plugin (6b21.1~20110420-0ubuntu1.1) ...
[01:43] <Hurray> Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
[01:43] <Hurray> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[01:43] <knome> Hurray, did you try restarting your browser?
[01:45] <Hurray> yes
[01:48] <Hurray> should i try gstreamer?
[01:49] <Hurray> hmm looks like its already installed
[01:51] <knome> yeah, it should work.
[01:52] <knome> which browser are you using?
[01:52] <Hurray> firfox
[01:53] <knome> i'm out of ideas for now and it's also already 5am... :)
[01:54] <Hurray> thx
[01:54] <Hurray> peace
[01:55] <knome> if you hang out long enough, i'm sure someone who can help you will come online
[01:56] <knome> good luck and have fun
[02:42] <alazare619> i dont have the shared folders icon under system im trying to share a few folders on a smb network any ideas?
[03:10] <Derpadong> How do you add a theme to xfce and use it?
[03:20] <orngjce223> You download the theme folder and stick it in /usr/share/themes
[03:23] <Derpadong> and then?
[03:24] <orngjce223> Then it shows up in Appearance properties and you can add it
[03:24] <orngjce223> the theme has to be properly formed of course
[03:24] <orngjce223> But it works
[03:29] <David-A> orngjce223: alternatively you can place the theme folder in /home/[username]/.themes/ (does not require sysprivileges and remains after a reinstall)
[03:30] <orngjce223> Ah
[03:30] <orngjce223> 's cool
[03:30] <orngjce223> That's where I put it when I didn't have /home/[username] to work with though
[03:30] <David-A> * orngjce223, i mean Derpadong
[03:30] <orngjce223> (which is, making a Remastersys-based distro via /etc/skel)
[03:31] <orngjce223> Heh
[03:31] <orngjce223> 's fine
[03:33] <Derpadong> So which one will show it in themes?
[03:35] <David-A> orngjce223: ok, thats just different ways of maintaining a config over reinstalls. I tend to do have as much adaptions as possible in /home, and let the system be as much distro default as possiple (plus installed packages).
[03:35] <orngjce223> Mmhm
[03:35] <orngjce223> Derpadong, either will work
[03:36] <orngjce223> .themes is if you back up /home, scattering your own files across the filesystem is rather less maintainable but I do it.
[03:48] <JumbiShrimp> Anyone any good at configuring display drivers in xubuntu?
[03:51] <David-A> Used to be, not any more, but shot, whats the problem?
[03:51] <David-A> !ask
[03:53] <JumbiShrimp> I have a Dell inspiron 2600 laptop.. 128 meg of ram and i'm trying to run a low resource intensive GUI. But I cannot get it to display video.. I have tried following instructions that deal with the I810 chipset
[04:00] <David-A> JumbiShrimp: When playing video, do you get a blank window, or an error message? Sound? What instructions did you use? (Web-address?)
[04:03] <JumbiShrimp> David: It will just give me a white screen with no output.. Audio works but i cannot see what i'm doing... http://life-of-brian.com/2009/12/installing-ubuntu-linux-on-a-dell-inspiron-2600/
[04:12] <David-A> Will you get a consol (full screen terminal) if you press Control+Alt+F1? From there you can login and look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log if X had trouble initiating? Especially when loading driver "i810" or "intel". (Just a hunch, I dont really know what the problem is)
[04:20] <JumbiShrimp>  Well it ends in "Fatal server error: no screens found"
[04:23] <David-A> JumbiShrimp: can you find the log lines where it loads drivers (intel or i810) if a driver is missing?
[04:29] <JumbiShrimp> This is what i found "(II) LoadModule: "intel"
[04:29] <JumbiShrimp> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//intel_drv.so
[04:29] <JumbiShrimp> dlopen: libpciaccess.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:29] <JumbiShrimp> (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//intel_drv.so
[04:29] <JumbiShrimp> (II) UnloadModule: "intel"
[04:29] <JumbiShrimp> "
[04:34] <David-A> for xubuntu 10.04 "intel_drv.so" is in package "xserver-xorg-video-intel", have you installed that package?
[04:36] <JumbiShrimp> Let me download that
[04:38] <David-A> JumbiShrimp: download? no, install! (you know apt-get, synaptic, or software center)
[04:39] <JumbiShrimp> sorry thats what i meant
[04:41] <David-A> David-A: good :)  i'm a bit jumpy, will soon go to sleep
[04:41] <David-A> and talking to my self
[04:41] <David-A> again
[04:46] <JumbiShrimp> lol, well it seems that it has made no differance.. same problem same thing in the log file
[04:52] <JumbiShrimp> Thanks for all the help.. I must be off to bed
[06:16] <Derpadong> Danr you and your theming lol
[06:16] <Derpadong> Darn
[09:07] <ushills> hi how can I change the screesaver that xubuntu uses, I've installed gnome-screensaver but can't see how to activate it
[09:34] <ushills> anyone?
[09:39] <carcinogen75> you must not use gnome utils if you using XFCE
[09:39] <carcinogen75> go to XFCE control panel. there is a screensaver icon
[09:40] <carcinogen75> use it to configure
[09:41] <knome> gone already
[09:41] <carcinogen75> ouh =(
[15:46] <Arpad2> hello
[15:46] <Arpad2> how to set vlc as default music player?
[17:11] <tdignan> So in the regular ubuntu distro, a utility is included that allows you to exceed 100% volume with pulseaudio (increasing the amplitude)
[17:11] <tdignan> but I cannot find that tool in xubuntu.. I don't really care whether I have it, but I need to amplify the volume, it's way too quiet
[17:11] <tdignan> how can I adjust the pulseaudio master above 100%?
[17:14] <charlie-tca> That tool could be installed, but have to find out the name and install it yourself.
[17:14] <charlie-tca> I do not know what it is.
[17:15] <tdignan> yeah, I know how to install packages :( my problem is the same as yours.
[17:15] <tdignan> No idea what it's called.
[17:15] <charlie-tca> Try pavucontrol, but I don't think that is the same tool
[17:16] <tdignan> yeah, I am installing it
[17:16] <tdignan> thanks man.
[17:17] <tdignan> won't let me exceed 100%...
[17:17] <tdignan> hmm
[17:35] <GridCube> tdignan: try the gnome sound thing
[17:56] <tdignan> GridCube: what is it called?
[17:56] <tdignan> I don't want to pull in all of gnome.
[17:56] <tdignan> That's why I'm using xubuntu :/
[17:57] <tdignan> I don't like unity ,or gnome 3.
[17:57] <GridCube> no its the gnome sound configuration
[17:57] <tdignan> well, except for on my netbook ;)
[17:57] <GridCube> i can't recall its name :(
[17:57] <tdignan> i'll check on my netbook later.
[17:58] <orngjce223> The way I would solve that problem is by installing a software amp and then using JACK to send everything through it, but /that/ is not a solution since it requires extensive configuration and real-time kernel.
[17:58] <tdignan> i think i'm going to buy some better headphones/speakers ;)
[17:58] <tdignan> cross-platform solution
[17:58] <orngjce223> Hehe
[17:59] <orngjce223> Yes, or a hardware amp
[17:59] <orngjce223> But again, not a solution since I work with "semi pro" audio and you probably won't
[18:00] <GridCube> tdignan: try gnome-volume-control
[21:30] <philipballew> whats the package i need to uninstall to have my desktop boot into the cli and i login that way and type startx for xface to go to town
[21:34] <charlie-tca> um, probably lightdm
[21:34] <charlie-tca> or gdm
[21:36] <philipballew> alright. seemes easy enough
[21:37] <charlie-tca> good luck with startx, usually with Xfce, you want to use startxfce4 to get all the pieces starting
[21:44] <philipballew> oh, i can type that. haha
[22:42] <charlie-tca> anything, yup


[11:33] <joby> hello, i have a fresh install of xubuntu 22.10, but i have no sound via hdmi, pavucontrol just shows a dummy-outpu and alsamixer can't find a card, any tipps?
[11:35] <diogenes_Vx15> joby, what GPU?
[11:36] <joby> AMD Ryzen 3 3100 4-Core Processor
[11:37] <joby> and a Ellesmere Radeon RX 570, where the monitor is connected to
[11:42] <diogenes_Vx15> joby, inxi -Gxxc0 | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:43] <diogenes_Vx15> share the url here:
[11:45] <joby> ttps://termbin.com/0eoh5
[11:49] <diogenes_Vx15> joby, and: dmesg | grep -i firmware | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:50] <joby> https://termbin.com/5wmx
[11:56] <diogenes_Vx15> joby, dmesg | grep -i amdgpu | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:58] <joby> https://termbin.com/83zt
[12:01] <diogenes_Vx15> joby, inxi -Axxc0 | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:02] <joby> https://termbin.com/6lps
[12:06] <diogenes_Vx15> joby, everything looks right from what i see, maybe try a different cable?
[12:10] <joby> i dont think it is the cable, i have xubuntu also installed on another harddrive, sound works fine there.
[12:10] <joby> when i try to start the alsamixer, i get this message: LSA lib confmisc.c:855:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'
[12:10] <joby> ALSA lib conf.c:5180:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_inum returned error: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[12:10] <joby> ALSA lib confmisc.c:422:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings
[12:10] <joby> ALSA lib conf.c:5180:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[12:10] <joby> ALSA lib confmisc.c:1334:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name
[12:10] <joby> ALSA lib conf.c:5180:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[12:11] <diogenes_Vx15> joby, don't paste here.
[12:11] <diogenes_Vx15> !pastebin | joby
[12:12] <diogenes_Vx15> also what kernel version? uname -r
[12:12] <joby> 5.19.0-38-generic
[12:15] <diogenes_Vx15> so you said that the soud works on this machine but on a different HDD and the same Xubuntu version?
[12:15] <joby> yes
[12:15] <diogenes_Vx15> sound*
[12:18] <diogenes_Vx15> that looks more like a black magic to me, try then booting live Xubuntu off a USB drive and see if the HDMI sound works there,
[12:19] <joby> ok i will try that. thanks for help so far!
[12:49] <Kuschelpony> good day
[12:50] <Kuschelpony> i hope my queation is much easier to answer :) where do i find an Xfce setting that enforces that programs which i start open their windows without immediately getting in the foreground and getting focus
[12:50] <Kuschelpony> i so often fall in a trap when i look at the keyboard what i type, and perhaps even hit enter, just to see that it endet in a wrong window
[12:56] <gnrp> Kuschelpony: Check out Settings -> Window Management -> Focus -> Focus of new Windows (ro so, got oly German here)
[12:57] <Kuschelpony> bin auch deutsch :)
[12:57] <Kuschelpony> Thank you im trying
[12:57] <gnrp> then it is Einstellungen -> Fensterverwaltung -> Fokus -> Fokus bei neuen Fenstern
[12:57] <gnrp> (I figured by the name ;)
[12:58] <Kuschelpony> hmm, das war schon ausgeschaltet, hmm i already had switched that off
[13:02] <gnrp> check also the other options on that tab. Applications can afaik raise themselves if they want to. Especially applications iwth their own graphical toolkit like to do that (browsers, zoom, other browser-based applications, etc.)
[13:33] <Kuschelpony> ok thats perhaps the thing
[21:31] <pjotter1> I'm trying to install Xubuntu 22.04.2 in Virtualbox. The installation goes fine, but at first reboot it repeatedly enters in a kernel panic: "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)". Does anyone have any idea as to hwat's causing this?


[08:12] <knightwise> hey everyone
[08:16] <Aro> Hi
[08:16] <Aro> I'm just waiting for 21.04 to come out for the Raspberry Pi. ._.
[08:19] <knightwise> I've managed to get it running (smoothly) on a 2008 macbook
[08:19] <Aro> Congrats
[08:20] <knightwise> yeah , pretty straightforward install
[08:20] <knightwise> but the wifi adapter doesnt seem to work
[08:20] <knightwise> its recognised
[08:20] <knightwise> it sees the networks
[08:20] <knightwise> but when I make it connect , the connection fails
[08:20] <knightwise> somehow the handshake fails
[08:22] <Aro> Do you think it's a hardware, software, or user issue?
[08:36] <knightwise> i think its a software issue


[08:03] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[12:43] <bandali> good morning y'all
[20:23] <ronoc> hola
[20:23] <ronoc> kenvandine, long time ...
[22:09] <KGB-0> glib ubuntu/jammy 9e35ef5 Robert Ancell debian/ changelog patches/series patches/0001-gio-Make-portal-support-aware-of-snaps.patch * https://deb.li/3SNl
[22:09] <KGB-0> * d/p/0001-gio-Make-portal-support-aware-of-snaps.patch:
[22:09] <KGB-0>   - Make portal support aware of snaps (LP: #1998267)
[22:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 1998267 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu Kinetic) "glib not aware of snap confinement" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1998267
[22:45] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center signed tags 074295d Gunnar Hjalmarsson ubuntu/1%44.0-1ubuntu2 * gnome-control-center Debian release 1:44.0-1ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/HpgD


[10:52] <lesshaste> hi
[10:54] <lesshaste> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/224561 seems to indicate that my DVD drive is called hda but apparently there is hdX naming anymore in Hardy
[10:55] <lesshaste> ogra from #ubuntu-bugs asked me to confirm that this is indeed the problem
[11:07] <abogani> Arghhhh! Why nvidia kernel driver required manual depmod -a to work (after today Hardy update)?????
[11:08] <lesshaste> abogani: :)
[11:09] <abogani> lesshaste: :-?
[11:10] <tjaalton> abogani: there were no updates related to that..
[11:12] <abogani> It isn't first time...
[11:12] <tjaalton> but it's not the updates that causes it
[11:17] <abogani> I suspect that lum break something module.dep related...
[11:18] <tjaalton> do you use hardy-proposed?
[11:18] <abogani> Yeah
[11:18] <tjaalton> there are plenty of bugs against lrm about people needing to reinstall the driver every time etc
[11:18] <tjaalton> but too scary for me to debug ;)
[11:22] <abogani> tjaalton: Ahhhh ok! Are those bugs related only on lrm or on lum also?
[11:22] <abogani> tjaalton: Thanks! :-)
[11:45] <tjaalton> abogani: no idea, people at least assume it's X which broke their setup
[11:45] <abogani> tjaalton: Thank you very much! :-)
[11:46] <tjaalton> abogani: feel free to find the culprit ;)
[11:46] <abogani> :-)
[11:47] <tseliot> *cough* DKMS *cough* :-P
[11:48]  * tseliot exits DKMS zealot mode
[11:49] <tjaalton> I don't think DKMS would help here
[11:49] <tjaalton> since the modules are there
[11:50] <tjaalton> they just aren't getting loaded or something like that
[11:55] <tseliot> tjaalton: I was kidding ;) . It's weird that they are not loaded. It never happened here
[11:56] <tjaalton> for me neither
[12:16] <tseliot> tjaalton: BTW I think we should have a look at all the warnings which dpkg-shlibdeps shoots when the lrm are built
[12:17] <tseliot> we can do it in Intrepid
[12:20] <tjaalton> tseliot: those should be harmless
[12:21] <tjaalton> but yes
[12:21] <tseliot> tjaalton: yes, I know but I would like to see why it complains when I have the time
[16:47] <qense> What's the purpose of the new 'envy' kernels?
[17:04] <JanC> envy kernels?
[17:09] <qense> there are kernle packages with envy in their name
[17:09] <qense> and nvidia drivers with envy in their name, ati drivers too
[17:09] <laga> you've probably installed envy-ng
[17:10] <laga> i can't see envy kernels here
[17:11] <qense> I didn't installed envy-ng as far as I know
[17:12] <qense> but I do have hardy-proposed enabled
[17:12] <qense> ah
[17:12] <qense> there are ati or nvidia drivers with envy in thier name
[17:13] <qense> is it going to be used by default in intrepid?
[17:13] <tseliot> qense: those are the drivers which I can update without touching the default lrm
[17:14] <qense> and that's better?
[17:15] <tseliot> just different
[17:15] <laga> i didn't know that NEW stuff was supposed to go through proposed. nice
[17:15] <tseliot> they use DKMS
[17:15] <qense> and DKMS can load modules dynamically whil the kernel is running?
[17:16] <tseliot> it auto-installs the modules if the kernel doesn't have one. It can do it at boot or when the package is installed
[20:21] <foka> Hi!  Has anyone run into a problem with Ubuntu 8.04 LiveCD with rtl8169_init_one causing a kernel Oops and then failing to boot?  :-)
[20:25] <rtg> foka: as a matter of fact, we were just working on that. see http://people.ubuntu.com/~tspindler/r8169/
[20:26] <foka> rtg, Very cool!  Thanks!  (And packaged by Torsten too!  Nice!  We've met in Beijing.  :-))
[20:26] <rtg> I'll likely include it as an SRU upload, but the Live CD won't get reissued until 8.04.1.
[20:28] <foka> rtg, Is this the solution for the problem that caused the bug?   http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/4/17/298
[20:29] <rtg> foka: I don't know. I haven't looked at Torsten's patch. The other r8169 bug I've been following crashes in PCI probe code, so it may be related.
[20:29] <foka> rtg, Yes, I finally managed to get 8.04 installed by disabling the on-board LAN in the BIOS.  :-)
[20:30] <foka> rtg, One more thing that I'd like to ask: Is it normal (while still in initrd) that dmesg shows logs with missing numbers?
[20:30] <foka> rtg, What I mean is this:  [    0.000] Linux version 2.6.2-1-generic (buildd@palmer) (gcc version 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3-2ubuntu7)) #1 SMP Thu Apr 1 1:2:4 UTC 20 (Ubuntu 2.6.2-1.3-generic)
[20:30] <rtg> foka: thats essentially what the guy in Taiwan ended up doing, though he used language that made me think he clipped leads to the part.
[20:31] <rtg> foka: are you on an Atom based board? My taiwan guy had exactly the same issue.
[20:32] <rtg> foka: I had a hell of a time deciphering his stack trace 'cause random characters were missing.
[20:32] <foka> rtg, No, not an Atom AFAIK, but a desktop motherboard with 945 chipset.
[20:33] <rtg> foka: straight video though? not serial console?
[20:33] <foka> rtg, I could read the full text if I press "Shift-PageUp".
[20:34] <rtg> foka: so its in the display RAM, but isn't getting rendered at speed.
[20:34] <foka> rtg, But to save typing, I did a "dmesg > dmesg.txt" and then copied it to a USB stick (by manually modprobing sd_mod and usb-storage first)
[20:34] <foka> rtg, It is that "dmesg.txt" which is missing numbers all over the place.
[20:35] <rtg> foka: how about once its booted? do the consoles work ok?
[20:35] <foka> rtg, You're referring the Ubuntu report reported by a Dell engineer, right?  :-)
[20:35] <rtg> foka: yeah, its a dell box.
[20:35] <foka> rtg, Well you see, I couldn't get it to boot further because it some how messed up the SATA driver.
[20:36] <rtg> which is exactly where Torsten ended up.
[20:36] <foka> rtg, With the LAN disabled, however, I could get into GNOME and all, and once there, dmesg is not missing anything.
[20:36] <rtg> maybe the problem clears up after we fix the r8169 crash.
[20:37] <foka> rtg, Yes, I hope so too.  It is weird because it appears that only "every second numbers" are missing.
[20:38] <rtg> well, who knows what the side effects of memory corruption are. I'll produce a PPA kernel later (maybe tonight0 with this fix.
[20:38] <foka> rtg, This may not be the exact rule:  Whenever there are two of [0-9] in a row, the second digit gets dropped out.
[20:39] <foka> rtg, Nice!  Thank you very much!  :-)
[20:40] <ivoks> ummm...
[20:41] <ivoks> why don't we just apply this?
[20:41] <ivoks> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8736376/linux-source-2.6.15_nfsv4client.patch
[20:41] <ivoks> it's sitting on LP for 9 months, solves a serious issue that's confirmed by multiple people
[20:42] <ivoks> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/58170
[20:42] <rtg> BenC is the dapper dude.
[20:43] <BenC> rtg: Thanks, you're pretty dapper yourself
[20:43] <alex_joni> heh
[20:43] <foka> rtg, I just looked at Torsten's package (very briefly), and I saw that he did applied  "[PATCH] NET: r8169: fix oops in r8169_get_mac_version" (http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/4/17/298)
[20:44] <rtg> ho ho ho
[20:44] <foka> rtg, Looks like that's the cause.
[20:44] <BenC> foka: Ah, right, that's the crash TeTeT is seeing
[20:44] <ivoks> BenC: :) ok, so how about it? :)
[20:45] <rtg> foka: yep - I've come to the same conclusion. I'm preparing an SRU inclusion request.
[20:45] <foka> rtg, While googling randomly, I saw another patch: http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg60658.html  , I wonder if it may come in handy too?  :-)
[20:45] <BenC> ivoks: We sure can, but that bug is triggering some memories...does it cause a regression in another area?
[20:45] <ivoks> BenC: it's part of 2.6.17, if i'm not mistaken...
[20:45] <ivoks> i don't know about regressions
[20:45] <BenC> ivoks: does it apply cleanly to our 2.6.15 tree?
[20:46] <rtg> foka: one thing at a time. In order for it to satisfy SRU policy, it has to be reproducible, testable, yada, yada.
[20:46] <BenC> I think it may have huge rejects because of some CVE's we also fixed
[20:46] <foka> BenC, Yes, we experienced the same bug on a desktop motherboard here too.
[20:46] <ivoks> well, this patch was against our tree
[20:46] <ivoks> BenC: i can check, of course...
[20:46] <BenC> foka: I believe I already told TeTeT about that bug, I tracked it down, and it was triggered because the 8169 mac is unknown (but that's not the bug)
[20:47] <BenC> foka: Any chance we can get correct info for that mac in addition to the fix?
[20:47] <foka> rtg, True.
[20:48] <foka> BenC, Unfortunately, we have returned the motherboard, but I'll ask my colleague to borrow it again tomorrow.
[20:48] <BenC> foka: thanks
[20:49] <foka> BenC, Should I create a bug report on Launchpad?  (I see that there is already https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/223656 , but it is a "private" bug?  I finally got sneaky and managed to get a Google cache of it... :-p)
[20:50] <rtg> foka: oh, you bad boy :)
[20:50] <BenC> foka: Really?!
[20:50] <BenC> I wonder if it was public for a bit, or if there's some other bug that let google do that
[20:51] <foka> rtg, Not any more, now Google cannot find the cache.  :-D
[20:51] <rtg> foka: yeah - he marked it private.
[20:51] <foka> rtg, But it was the only relevant result when I searched "rtl8169_init_one ubuntu" or "rtl8169_init_one 8.04" or something like that.
[20:51] <foka> rtg, I don't know how Google got through either.  Maybe it got the cache before he marked it private?  Or Google got a special account or something like that?
[20:52] <rtg> foka: I'll see if I can get him to open it up. there isn't anything particularly proprietary. In fact, his help came from a public source (i.e. you).
[20:52] <ivoks> BenC: it fits in dapper git as a hand in a glow
[20:52] <BenC> ivoks: I hope you mean glove
[20:52] <ivoks> right :)
[20:53] <foka> rtg, Or should I just start a new bug report?  :-D
[20:53] <rtg> foka: no, gimme a bit. any new one would just get marked as a duplicate.
[20:54] <foka> rtg, Gotcha.    Would you like a copy?  (Or should I just wait until the bug becomes public and attach it to the bug report then?)
[21:00] <rtg> foka: some light reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[21:00] <rtg> foka: as for the dmesg output, its garbled because of memory corruption.
[21:00] <foka> rtg, Yes, I'm on that page.  :-)
[21:00] <rtg> if it continues after the r8169 fix, then we'll have to figure out why.
[21:00] <foka> rtg, I see.  Thanks!
[21:02] <foka> BenC, Just to make sure I understand you correctly.  MAC addresses look VV:VV:VV:PP:PP:PP, where VV:VV:VV represents the vendor (like RealTek).  You mean the bug is caused by new network chip containing VV:VV:VV  that is not listed in the latest r8169 driver, is that right?
[21:05] <foka> BenC, So, what I should do once I get the motherboard back, is to boot up e.g. Ubuntu 7.10 LiveCD, look at "ifconfig" output, and report back to you what the MAC address is.  Is that correct?
[21:10] <noelferreira> my keys get stuck sometimes and other times don't work. can anyone help me with this huge bug: http://pastebin.com/m7bc88052
[21:11] <rtg> foka: correct, VV:VV:VV is the vendor part of the MAC address and should not be zero.
[21:12] <rtg> foka: but that code isn't looking at the MAC address, its looking the revision of the MAC processor.
[21:15] <rtg> foka: however, it does look like the current Hardy driver will FUBAR on an unknown MAC version.
[21:15] <rtg> where MAC version is the same as chip revision or model.
[21:16] <foka> rtg, I see, thanks!  Is there an easy way to get the MAC version (or whatever info you need) from the command-line?  Or should I test by playing with r8169.c source code?
[21:17] <foka> rtg, Hmm... is that revision number written on the chip itself?  I think I took a photo of the chip... let me try to dig it up...
[21:18] <rtg> foka: yeah - you'll have to instrument the code. The ID on the chip migh give you an indicator of the revision or model.
[21:18] <rtg> sometimes those numbers are just a cross reference in a parts catalog
[21:24] <rtg> foka: test kernel building at https://edge.launchpad.net/~timg-tpi/+archive. Use 2.6.24-17.32ubuntu7 or higher
[21:26] <foka> rtg, I see.  Thanks!  I finally found the picture.  Here is what is written on it:  RTL8102E // 8Z121S1 G807B
[21:26] <foka> rtg, Many thanks about the link!  I'll make note of it.
[21:28] <rtg> foka: if you look in the driver code for 'enum mac_version' you can see there isn't an 8102E, so I'm betting you'll still have problems.
[21:29] <noelferreira> my keys get stuck sometimes and other times don't work. can anyone help me with this huge bug: http://pastebin.com/m7bc88052
[21:33] <rtg> mdomsch: can you comment on bug #225811 ? Steve is asking for SRU justification, so perhaps I didn't get the explanation correct.
[21:37] <mdomsch> rtg, I did
[21:38] <mdomsch> rtg, looks like he bought it too :-)
[21:38] <rtg> mdomsch: oops. sorry. I was just reading the email trail and didn't look at the web page for the mostest currentest version.
[21:38] <mdomsch> np
[21:38] <mdomsch> I hadn't seen his follow-up comments yet
[21:40] <noelferreira> my keys get stuck sometimes and other times don't work. can anyone help me with this huge bug: http://pastebin.com/m7bc88052
[21:52] <foka> BenC, Looks like those numbers are listed here:  http://www.realtek.com.tw/Downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=7&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[21:53] <foka> BenC, Or here: ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>/cn/nic/r8101-1.007.00.tar.bz2
[23:14] <noelferreira> my keys get stuck sometimes and other times don't work. can anyone help me with this huge bug: http://pastebin.com/m7bc88052
[23:16] <cradek> what's the launchpad bug report number?
[23:16] <noelferreira> i don't know cradek
[23:19] <cradek> filing one, if you can't find one when you search, would be the best way to get this worked on
[23:21] <cradek> in the bug report, I suggest also saying what basic debugging you have tried, like a new keyboard, usb vs ps2, etc etc.  you will get a lot more attention that way.
[23:22] <noelferreira> ok
[23:22] <noelferreira> thanks
[23:24] <cradek> you have tried a different keyboard?
[23:26] <noelferreira> its my laptop cradek
[23:27] <cradek> ah, ouch
[23:28] <cradek> laptops are a nightmare for developers.  be sure to include all the information about it.
[23:28] <noelferreira> ok i will
[23:28] <noelferreira> thanks