[12:00] <HWolf> [Pheadrus]  The issue is, I've got a working kernel, not sure about hardware acceleration yet, but it works. I don't bet on my custom kernel to do that.
[12:00] <topyli> LETS MAKE Z
[12:00] <nine99> whell, i do not have ubuntu installed :)
[12:00] <lamont> what's a good package for managing an address list (with categories), printing labels, etc.
[12:00] <lamont> ?
[12:00] <mirak> oh.....
[12:00] <mdz> nine99: for which architecture?
[12:00] <nine99> i386
[12:00] <dredg> or to phrase it differently, whats so bad about X?
[12:00] <nine99> what's the url of the repository ?
[12:00] <topyli> lamont: i'd use note for console or quicklist for X
[12:01] <spacey`ki> http://www.y-windows.org/
[12:01] <spacey`ki> topyli,
[12:01] <topyli> lamont: no, those won't do
[12:01] <mirak> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[12:01] <mirak> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[12:01] <mirak> nine99, those are for you
[12:01] <nine99> thanks dudes
[12:01] <mdz> nine99: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
[12:01] <nine99> :)
[12:02] <mirak> nine99, there is also a universe and a multiverse that i dont have the url for atm
[12:02] <topyli> spacey`ki: oh, so you can do a graphics server as a masters project? this guy is something
[12:02] <nine99> many thanks again
[12:02] <robertj> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/
[12:03] <spacey`ki> topyli, hehe you see it a lot opensource master project
[12:03] <nine99> it can be useful to evaluta a future installation
[12:03] <robertj> what do you guys think of that?
[12:03] <topyli> spacey`ki: a quick look says it looks pretty cool
[12:03] <mdz> nine99: Ubuntu has many thousands of packages.  if there is something in particular that you are interested in, ask; otherwise, it is a lot of information to browse through
[12:03] <topyli> spacey`ki: linux did his masters years after he wrote linux :)
[12:03] <topyli> s/linux/linus
[12:04] <nine99> well, i home in the future ubuntu can converge to sid more and more, for what i see now there can be problems to mix debian's and ubuntu sources
[12:04] <mdz> nine99: the highlights in the warty release included gnome 2.8, evolution 2.0, openoffice.org 1.1.2 and firefox 0.9
[12:04] <ogra> robertj: nice one
[12:04] <nine99> s/home/hope/
[12:04] <robertj> is there a way to create a default view where all images are displayed by default?
[12:04] <nictuku> I know the channel is -t, but can I suggest adding localized ubuntu channels to the topic?
[12:05] <nightmaresc> anyone have time to help me get my external drive working?
[12:05] <nine99> or maybe sid will converge to ubuntu :))
[12:05] <nine99> goodbye all, have a nice time
[12:05] <edulix> hello !
[12:05] <Hikaru79> Hmm, can someone help me with setting up an HP Laserjet 4P printer on a Windows network using Ubuntu? I can see the network just fine (the shared folders on the Windows computers, etc) but I'm having some problems recognizing the printer
[12:05] <topyli> nine99: you should turn to debian unstable only at moments of desperation. and even then, get the sources and build on ubuntu
[12:05] <edulix> I've just installed ubuntu :)
[12:05] <kapputu> hi Hiky
[12:05] <mdz> nine99: ubuntu contains everything that Debian unstable has
[12:05] <Hikaru79> Hey, kapputu :)
[12:05] <Hikaru79> Can you help me out? =/
[12:05] <[Phaedrus] > Hikaru79: do you have the printer shared?
[12:06] <kapputu> I can try but you can get better help here
[12:06] <ogra> robertj: hmm, but why should i delete all repos ?
[12:06] <Hikaru79> I believe so. It worked in Windows before
[12:06] <Hikaru79> How can I check, Phaedrus
[12:06] <Hikaru79> ?
[12:06] <HWolf> dedg What's bad about X is that it's difficult to set up, and not very fast.
[12:06] <robertj> ogra: because if you unquestionably delete your repositories you don't need src?
[12:06] <nine99> ok, now i'm very happy with debian unstable, newer installations will be "ubuntued"
[12:06] <mdz> HWolf: compared to what?
[12:06] <Hikaru79> I have physical access to the printer and computer by the way. It's just a home network :)
[12:06] <nightmaresc> Can anyone help with a "nobiospnp" error?
[12:06] <topyli> mdz: is that true nowadays?
[12:06] <robertj> also cdrom sources make ubuntu barf
[12:06] <edulix> how can I configure my dell inspiron 4150 sound card?
[12:07] <ogra> robertj: cdrom is a nice fallback if you want software from main and got no net access
[12:07] <edulix> it's a 82801CA/CAM AC'07 Audio Controller, or at least that's what the DEvice Manager praises :)
[12:07] <robertj> ogra: it makes synaptic barf though
[12:07] <[Phaedrus] > somebody needs to write a kernel compilation tutorial for ubuntu...
[12:07] <mdz> edulix: it wasn't automatically set up for you?
[12:08] <robertj> what's on the cd but not installed by default anyway?
[12:08] <mdz> robertj: a few common non-default packages, and a few packages which are sometimes needed in order to get connected to a network
[12:08] <nightmaresc> Anyone heard of 'nobiospnp' error?
[12:08] <ogra> robertj: thunderbird for example
[12:08] <edulix> mdz: well, yeah:
[12:09] <nightmaresc> I think it's stopping me from using usb devices
[12:09] <topyli> i just realized i have to sleep, it will be morning soon
[12:09] <edulix> mdz: but I cannot set the volume control to more than 0% :P
[12:09] <unitd> one questino
[12:09] <mdz> edulix: what happens when you try?
[12:09] <edulix> (I'm trying to do that with the panel volume control)
[12:09] <unitd> when i make a selection box on desktop, my cpu load spikes
[12:10] <robertj> mdz: hrmm
[12:10] <unitd> anyone know why
[12:10] <mdz> robertj: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogShipSeed
[12:10] <edulix> mdz: I pick in the volume control, and as I see that the volume is down (-), I move it up (+), but then the volume control goes automagically down
[12:11] <robertj> mdz: what do you think about removing all the commented out entries from /etc/apt/sources.list so they wont' be picked up by Synaptic?
[12:11] <mdz> robertj: to what end?
[12:11] <robertj> it's a bit odd having entries that are identical except for the section
[12:11] <mdz> edulix: are you comfortable with trying a few things on the command line?
[12:11] <ogra> mdz: were talking about this one: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/004.jpg/view
[12:11] <edulix> mdz: yeah ;)
[12:12] <mdz> robertj: I think that's a problem with synaptic's repository UI, which should be fixed there rather than removing the entries
[12:12] <robertj> maybe Synaptic could be set to ignore anything double commented and show single #'s as disabled
[12:12] <robertj> mdz: perhaps
[12:12] <nightmaresc> anyone know anything about a 'nobiospnp' error and/or ubuntu not finding my external drive
[12:12] <robertj> it would be really nice if it showed everything with a nice description
[12:12] <edulix> mdz: you mean uysing alsamixer or something like that ?
[12:12] <mdz> edulix: run "aplay -l" and see how many devices there arae
[12:12] <mdz> are
[12:12] <robertj> click "Official Ubuntu Packages" select "Non-US Software"
[12:12] <mirak> how to enable multiverse.....wiki search didnt find it?
[12:13] <mdz> robertj: right
[12:13] <mdz> that's something we'll likely do
[12:13] <edulix> aplay: device_list:199: no soundcards found...
[12:13] <ogra> mirak: add it behind universe in synaptic
[12:13] <edulix> but there are some sound modules loaded
[12:13] <mdz> edulix: oh?  which ones?
[12:13] <tmartin> happy halloween!
[12:13] <mirak> ogra, remember im still noob ?????
[12:13] <mirak> ogra, little more plz?
[12:13] <ogra> mirak: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/004.jpg/view
[12:13] <edulix> (lsmod show things like snd_ac97_codec         59268  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0)
[12:14] <robertj> I have mixed feelings about Synaptic
[12:14] <ogra> mirak: just the shot
[12:14] <robertj> part of me thinks that it will never be ready for end users unless another tag is introduced
[12:14] <robertj> there is just so much software that your average mom and pop just don't grok
[12:14] <ogra> robertj: there is something new on the way ;)
[12:14] <mirak> ogra, bot: thnx....i saaume just copy the universe then add "multiverse" at the end of it
[12:14] <robertj> ogra: gut ;)
[12:15] <mirak> assume*
[12:15] <ogra> mirak make it look like the shot....
[12:15] <robertj> mirak: which is very good except for the fact that the entries look the same in synatpic unless you click on it
[12:15] <edulix> what do you think about this mdz ? :)
[12:16] <nightmaresc> anyone know anything about a 'nobiospnp' error and/or ubuntu not finding my external drive?  nothing seems to work
[12:16] <mirak> ogra, yes.....thnx
[12:16] <HWolf> How can I kill and restart X?
[12:16] <robertj> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/
[12:16] <robertj> just go through those and click the links one step at a time
[12:16] <mirak> robertj, that i am aware of....i just needed the url.....but its the same as universe
[12:16] <Matt|> hey something just occurred to me. Why doesn't gnome have a right click option to dock windows in the systray, like icewm has????
[12:16] <Matt|> it would be v useful
[12:17] <mdz> edulix: you installed the 4.10 final release?
[12:17] <synapse> because it doesnt?.... :P
[12:17] <edulix> uh, I really don't know what version I am using, how can I check it ?
[12:18] <ogra> HWolf: logout, hit ctrl-alt-f1, login and type: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:18] <desp> hello
[12:18] <edulix> mdz: I'm using the version everyone uses in the spanish hackandalus 2004 :P
[12:18] <mdz> edulix: I was not there, so I don't know whether you got a final release CD or a pre-release snapshot
[12:18] <HWolf> Hm, awesome. :-)
[12:18] <mdz> edulix: what did it say on the CD?
[12:19] <desp> I just installed Ubuntu (Warty Warthog) on an OldWorld PowerMac 7300, and I can't boot from my new ext3 partition
[12:19] <desp> I get a kernel panic at startup, because VFS is unable to find the root device
[12:19] <edulix> mdz: "Ubuntu" nothing more hehe
[12:19] <kasey70> hi
[12:19] <edulix> ah, it's Warty Warthog!
[12:19] <mdz> desp: are you sure it's OldWorld?  I'm surprised it got that far
[12:19] <tmartin> how come i cant open .url files in ubuntu
[12:19] <mdz> OldWorld is not supported
[12:20] <edulix> if that's an exact version, I do n't know..
[12:20] <mdz> edulix: that's the name of the branch
[12:20] <ogra> edulix: verify your kernel version (uname -a)
[12:20] <mdz> edulix: laptop or desktop?
[12:20] <mirak> ogra, robertj, thnx...:)......got it
[12:20] <edulix> latop
[12:20] <edulix> laptop
[12:20] <edulix> Linux ubuntu-edulix <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:20] <Hikaru79> When I try to pring to a shared windows printer, I'm getting: Printing: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...foomatic-rip version $Revision: <IP_ADDRESS> $ running...
[12:20] <kasey70> someone has a problem with mplayer ? a message says ilegall instruction to run mplayer
[12:21] <robertj> btw, if any of yall ever don't have enough to do and need to add features to Gnome, please unbreak the places menu
[12:21] <desp> mdz: yes, I am sure it's OldWorld. it's not really hard to use BootX, you know
[12:21] <kasey70> there is a .deb for amd processors ?
[12:21] <ogra> edulix: seems ok
[12:21] <gro> mdz & edulix: fyi - i had the same probs with a latitude c610 -> the kernel options acpi_irq_isa=7 and nolapic solved the soundcard problem
[12:21] <tmartin> where can i find the MIME type setting for gnome?
[12:22] <desp> mdz: the only thing you need to do to boot on OldWorld is to use BootX, copy the initrd.gz & vmlinux files into some Mac OS partition, and you're set
[12:22] <tmartin> im trying to set up x-mswinurl to open automatically in firefix
[12:22] <desp> so the installation went fine, but when I'm supposed to boot from /dev/sda2, the kernel panics
[12:22] <HWolf> There is quite a funny bug in glxgears. If you run it and hover mouse over the close button, they start spinning like mad. As if to show they're working hard, and not getting closed.
[12:22] <mdz> desp: OldWorld is not supported by Warty
[12:22] <edulix> gro: then I'll try it. BTW, ubuntu was evil and deleted my grub configuration, I just wanted it to add a new entry in the cool graphical suse's grub menu :P
[12:22] <desp> mdz: do you have anything else to say besides "not supported"?
[12:23] <[Phaedrus] > kasey70: x86 versions should work fine
[12:23] <mdz> desp: nope, sorry.  I don't have any OldWorld systems
[12:23] <[Phaedrus] > unless you are talking about athlon 64
[12:23] <ogra> desp: if he says it, its fact....
[12:23] <mirak> hwolf, they dont work any harder for me.....thay always fly
[12:23] <mdz> desp: and we didn't test on them
[12:23] <desp> okay
[12:23] <edulix> how can I restore it ?
[12:23] <mdz> edulix: yeah, if it's a laptop, it could very well be the same bug
[12:24] <mdz> edulix: a number of Dell systems seem to have a BIOS which causes this
[12:24] <kasey70> [Phaedrus] : amd-sempron, mplayer gives a message about a illegal ordre
[12:24] <desp> well, I managed to find a description of the exact same problem on some 2.6 kernels, and the fix is to specify the root device using the major/minor numbers
[12:24] <mdz> edulix: here's the bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1254
[12:24] <HWolf> midrak. I'm running 1600x1200 on a 9200SE, doesn't go fast. :-)
[12:25] <mirak> hwolf, ahhh....radeon 7000 1024x768....4k fps
[12:25] <desp> mdz: the problem is described in detail at http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=71998&st=15
[12:25] <JanneM> tmartin: not sure
[12:25] <the_tux> hi all.....i am new to apt-get and in my home i have hcfpcimodem.....deb  and i would like to know how can i install it from my home ? and i would like to know to how can i install kernel source ?
[12:25] <Matt|> so is selinux in hoary?
[12:26] <desp> the gist of it is that specifying "root=0802", where 8 is the SCSI major and 2 is the partition number,  ought to fix it. still, it doesn't.
[12:26] <Matt|> damn lag
[12:26] <mdz> desp: is the right module even being loaded to recognize your SCSI controller?
[12:27] <desp> mdz: I assume that it is being loaded, since I managed to format that SCSI disk using the Ubuntu installer while booted from the CD
[12:27] <desp> using the exact same kernel
[12:28] <mdz> desp: same kernel, but which initrd?
[12:28] <desp> ah, hm.
[12:28] <mdz> the installed system uses an initrd generated during the install
[12:28] <desp> where does that generated initrd go?
[12:29] <desp> this must be the problem
[12:30] <edulix> mdz: thanks for the info. I'm going to reboot. BTW, I've restored the suse's grub ;)
[12:30] <gro> the_tux: dpkg -i name.deb
[12:30] <the_tux> gro, thanks so much
[12:31] <gro> edulix: success
[12:31] <shoka> Hi all, just a thankyou to the team, this is from a new install of warty on a dual athon workstation
[12:32] <edulix> gro: btw, what does nolapic do ?
[12:32] <desp> on an unrelated note -- does anyone know a keyboard mapping that has the tilde key (`~) between left-shift and Z?
[12:33] <desp> mdz: let me rephrase -- where can I find that initrd that is generated during the install?
[12:33] <edulix> desp: not me. I have that either using alt-1-2-6 or alt-
[12:33] <ogra> dasp: in /boot on your scsi disk
[12:33] <ogra> desp
[12:33] <desp> ogra: ah, thanks
[12:34] <JanneM> tmartin: select a file of the type in nautilus, choose to see details about the file, then there is a tab where you can edit mime info for that kind of file'
[12:34] <edulix> brb
[12:34] <tmartin> you mean the open with tab?
[12:35] <mirak> ``~
[12:35] <desp> ogra: and what if I only have three partitions -- a partition map, root, and swap?
[12:35] <mirak> desp, this key ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.......usa has that
[12:35] <Matt|> so is selinux in hoary?
[12:36] <ogra> desp: in root...
[12:46] <desp> mirak: but isn't the ~ key next in the first row, next to the numbers, on US keyboards?
[12:46] <ogra> desp: but as you can't accress it you wont get to /boot .... probably from the install cd, with alt-f2 you can reach a console
[12:46] <ogra> desp: and mount the partition
[12:46] <edulix> it worked ! :)
[12:46] <edulix> now I'd like to install muine :P
[12:46] <HWolf> Damn, something broke tvtime
[12:46] <desp> ogra: ahh. I found it
[12:46] <gro> edulix: for a quick nolapic explanation: http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2002/10/81_acpi.html
[12:46] <stuNNed> is there a way to tell what damons are running that exist in /etc/init.d ?
[12:46] <desp> thanks
[12:46] <Matt|> stuNNed, not sure if there is a better way, but you could try "ps ax"
[12:46] <desp> mdz: thanks for the help, and sorry for being so harsh before
[12:46] <edulix> "Activates the local APIC system even if it is disabled in the BIOS." thanks for the info ;)
[12:46] <kapputu> hi stuNNed
[12:46] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, netstat -tap or lsof -i
[12:46] <gro> edulix: no: nolapic : Disables the local APIC system even if it is activated in the BIOS. ;)
[12:46] <kapputu> Matt|: how do I make a Perl script run at boot ?
[12:46] <mirak> desp, yes it is the key right before "1"
[12:46] <stuNNed> hiyas kapputu
[12:46] <Matt|> kapputu, not a clue. I am flattered that you asked me the question, but i am rubbish at linux
[12:46] <desp> mirak: I was asking about a keymap that has the tilde on the key between the left-shift and the Z key
[12:46] <kapputu> someone told me that I had to copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/script.pl
[12:46] <kapputu> LinuxJones: can you help ?
[12:46] <sherpa> anyone got ndiswrapper to work in ubuntu
[12:46] <desp> mirak: that's how it is on european keyboards
[12:46] <Matt|> kapputu, yeah maybe make a link
[12:46] <mirak> desp, sorry......must have missed that bit
[12:46] <Matt|> ln -s
[12:46] <desp> mirak: np
[12:46] <kapputu> no I have to edit the file
[12:46] <kapputu> but I need to know what to change
[12:46] <shoka> is here a grub config file somewhere, equiv of grub.conf?
[12:46] <shoka> cd /etc
[12:46] <stuNNed> shoka, /boot/menu.lst i think
[12:46] <sherpa> i tried to install ndiswrapper but it said u needed the kernel source
[12:46] <shoka> ta
[12:46] <stuNNed> shoka, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:46] <kapputu> sudo apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r`
[12:46] <kapputu> hi poyayan
[12:46] <poyayan> what's the /usr/share/alien folder for?
[12:46] <poyayan> yo kapputu
[12:46] <LinuxJones> kapput help with starting a script @ boot time ?
[12:46] <kapputu> yes LinuxJones
[12:46] <sherpa> kapputu, what that sudo apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r` for me? if so will it work w/o internet cause i dont have the internet in there
[12:46] <LinuxJones> kapput, have a look here >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3306
[12:46] <kapputu> poyayan: I think alien is for using rpms
[12:46] <poyayan> uh ok
[12:46] <kapputu> sherpa, I guess it would be included in the cd-rom
[12:46] <kapputu> try just in case
[12:46] <sherpa> kapputu, ty
[12:46] <Matt|> so is selinux in hoary?
[12:46] <Delgul> Hi! I just installed Ubuntu, but whenever I try to execute someting with root permissions as a normal user (like add printer using root password) the applications seem to exit with status 1. Is this a known problem?
[12:46] <ogra> Delgul: wron password
[12:46] <LinuxJones> Delgul, enter your user password
[12:46] <ogra> g
[12:46] <Matt|> Delgul, what are you using as password?
[12:47] <Matt|> aha
[12:48] <kapputu> Matt|: why would you need his password ?
[12:48] <Matt|> lol
[12:48] <kapputu> ;-)
[12:48] <Matt|> >_> <_<
[12:48] <Delgul> hah... Jeez Matt...
[12:48] <Matt|> no reason...
[12:48] <Matt|> *cough*
[12:48] <neuro_> other than world domination
[12:48] <neuro_> muhahaha
[12:48] <poyayan> anyone know why totem-xine and gstreamer-0.8mad were removed from marillat?
[12:48] <kapputu> Delgul: do you have remote desktop enabled ?
[12:48] <Matt|> LOL
[12:48] <SuperQ> Delgul: ubuntu disables root password by default, in favor of using sudo (user password) to access root privilegs
[12:48] <ogra> poyayan: have they erver been there ?
[12:48] <SuperQ> Delgul: similar to MacOS
[12:48] <poyayan> well totem-xine was for sure
[12:48] <poyayan> I don't know about gstreamer-0.8mad
[12:49] <ogra> poyayan: you should use the ubuntu one....
[12:49] <robertj> ogra: does places not strike you as something that is extremely broken?
[12:49] <Delgul> SuperQ: Well I configured a root password and gnome-cups-manager asks for it btw when adding a printer. It refers to the root account...
[12:49] <ogra> robertj: places ?
[12:50] <poyayan> well if you want to play divx or mp3 you need those
[12:50] <kapputu> I want to use a Mac once
[12:50] <kapputu> anyone want to lend me one for a few days ?
[12:50] <robertj> On Nautilus
[12:50] <SuperQ> Delgul: yea.. that's a minor mistake in UI
[12:50] <SuperQ> Delgul: you use sudo password
[12:50] <mirak> kapputu, dont do it.....youll be hooked
[12:50] <ogra> Delgul: look here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:50] <SuperQ> Delgul: someone should probably file a bug report to ask for sudo password instead of root password
[12:50] <kapputu> I'm already hooked to ubuntu
[12:50] <Delgul> SuperQ: thanks
[12:51] <kapputu> could I get worse ?
[12:51] <mirak> kapptut, i mean macs
[12:51] <ogra> SuperQ: it actually asks for "your password"
[12:51] <mirak> kapptutu, i mean macs
[12:51] <kapputu> in what way would I be hooked ?
[12:51] <robertj> Being a Mac user will make you into an angry person
[12:51] <robertj> stay away!
[12:51] <kapputu> lol robertj
[12:54] <kapputu> why ?
[12:54] <mirak> they cost too much
[12:54] <mirak> lol
[12:54] <kapputu> gnumeric, OO Spreadsheet, which is better
[12:54] <jdub> kapputu: technically, gnumeric.
[12:54] <robertj> You want to take the finder and put it on XP or Linux and then torture the rest
[12:54] <robertj> ogra: See what I mean?
[12:54] <kapputu> what's finder ?
[12:54] <robertj> like Nautilus sort of
[12:54] <robertj> except its useful
[12:54] <mirak> its nice :)
[12:54] <netmonk> does anyone know how can I stop the animation when I open or minimize windows?
[12:54] <HWolf> robertj, are you familiar with tvtuner? It is suddenly quitting on me, and I have no clue why.
[12:54] <robertj> HWolf: sorry, no clue on that one
[12:54] <robertj> try tvtime
[12:54] <ogra> robertj: you mean amrillat ?
[12:54] <ogra> ma
[12:54] <mirak> kapputu, cherryOS is out soon.....you can get the demo...and install macOS on your pc...try it out that way
[12:54] <ogra> etc
[12:54] <desp> bah, cherryOS is a scam
[12:54] <cardador> kapputu: gnumeric
[12:54] <robertj> ogra: ?
[12:54] <mirak> err...waht about pearOS then
[12:54] <robertj> Foreign language?
[12:54] <desp> the guy admitted to having used PearPC code in CherryOS
[12:54] <ogra> robertj: think i lost you somewhere
[12:54] <desp> and PearPC is nowhere near being usable
[12:54] <mirak> desp, and.....as ong as it works...and is fast(er)
[01:00] <robertj> ogra: okay, from the top. Does the Places menu in Nautilus not seem horribly broken?
[01:00] <Kirsch> is there a way to get network to work with PearPC?
[01:00] <SuperQ> orga: hrm.
[01:00] <Kirsch> (from lInux)?
[01:00] <SuperQ> orga: you're correct..
[01:00] <kapputu> are Macs generally used for graphics and stuff ?
[01:00] <mirak> kirsch, i dont think so........but cherryos will give you full support
[01:00] <Delgul> SuperQ: It works fine now, even when authenticating over NIS ;-)
[01:00] <desp> mirak: well, after he admitted having used a GPL project's source in a closed-source program, he said he removed all traces of it
[01:00] <SuperQ> Delgul: good
[01:00] <stuNNed> Matt|, LinuxJones: apparantly whatever runlevel you're in then the corresponding /etc/rc?.d, whatever is listed there is running
[01:00] <mirak> kapputu, generally.....but only because they architecture makes them awesome at it
[01:00] <ogra> robertj: not really broken....but it could be better.... want to change it ?
[01:00] <Delgul> While I am at it...anyone know how to get firefox working with the cups printers?
[01:00] <ogra> robertj: oh, and computer should be "disks"
[01:00] <robertj> It points you to Home, Computer (which should not be needed), Templates (which is always empty), and CD creator which is not a "place" in most people's mind
[01:00] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, yes by default Ubuntu/Debian run in runlevel 2
[01:00] <mirak> deap, i see your point
[01:00] <Matt|> stuNNed, yes and also rcS.d
[01:00] <b_e_n_z> Delgul, http://localhost:631 if you are using cups
[01:00] <kapputu> so for a laptop and a Mac at the same price, why would I want to buy a Mac ?
[01:00] <mirak> desp, i see your point
[01:00] <desp> kapputu: because a Mac Just Works(tm)
[01:00] <robertj> ogra: sure, pay me a living wage and support me for a month or so while I get up to speed on c, makefiles, and gtk, and I'd love too ;)
[01:00] <ogra> b_e_n_z: its disabled...
[01:00] <mirak> kapputu, it all just depends on your needs, and budget.....mac hardware imo is better
 Yes, thats how I configure them.  It would be just a matter of making a tool checking versions and changes in the pages
[01:01] <tmartin> is the 64bit version of ubuntu all in 64
[01:01] <tmartin> is there anyway to run apps for 32bit processors
[01:01] <b_e_n_z> does ubuntu have worldwide mirrors?  during the install it goes to www.ubuntu.com and it is quite slow from here...
[01:01] <tmartin> id like to be able to use flash in firefox...
[01:01] <ogra> robertj: so you should switch to xserve... no need for a gui ;)
[01:01] <robertj> ogra: haha, I wish
[01:04] <robertj> My org can't afford $5 for media
[01:04] <robertj> Our webserver is a Blue and White G3
[01:04] <Nafallo> hi all! if debian has a firefox translation in a lang and ubuntu hasn't, should I then file a bug against firefox?
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:04] <JoeB> speaking of PPC and 64-bit architecture, will the PPC distro run on the G5?
[01:04] <ogra> robertj: so ubuntu custom makes a good install for them..
[01:04] <robertj> ogra: it actually does
[01:04] <Nafallo> HrdwrBoB: that yes was destinatinated for me? :-)
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> Nafallo: yes :)
[01:04] <robertj> I'm putting off an upgrade to a G4 for when php5 comes stock
[01:04] <robertj> no particular impetus to make the move now
[01:04] <kapputu> hi Nafallo
[01:04] <Nafallo> HrdwrBoB: kewl :-). *switches desktop to the firefoxie one :-)*
[01:04] <robertj> hey, when I came in I tossed out 4 machines from the office that have, total, less mhz between them than my wireless router
[01:04] <Nafallo> kapputu: hi there :-)
[01:04] <desp> nils: so, I just installed Ubuntu *again*
[01:04] <robertj> "Goodbye slackware, Goodbye Redhat 5"
[01:04] <desp> it said I have to continue without a boot loader
[01:04] <Matt|> mdz, are you still here?
[01:04] <kapputu> gnumeric failed to install saying that an assertion in eggdesktopentries.c failed
[01:04] <kapputu> any idea ?
[01:04] <robertj> "goodbye AD server not serving anyone"
[01:07] <desp> I checked the /initrd/ directory on the target partition, and it's empty
[01:07] <desp> so did it get generated at all?
[01:07] <stuNNed> robertj, do you know if apple's os x server network install uses multicast or unicast? *offtopic*
[01:07] <robertj> stuNN: sorry, I don't. I do radmind instead of netboot
[01:07] <kapputu> is gnumeric compatible with Excel files ?
[01:07] <stuNNed> robertj, ok thanks
[01:07] <robertj> does anyone know of an easy way to create a shortcut to a folder in a network place?
[01:07] <desp> every directory located with "find / -name initrd" is empty
[01:07] <robertj> it seems like its trying to create it in a place where it doesn't have permissions and borking
[01:08] <robertj> nm, it's an unsupported operation on ftp :(
[01:08] <desp> ah, screw it. I'm going back to gentoo >(
[01:09] <robertj> http://www.arches.uga.edu/~rcaskey/whatif.jpg
[01:09] <robertj> for your viewing pleasure ;)
[01:10] <robertj> oh whee
[01:10] <robertj> it's getting butchered by the web server
[01:10] <robertj> hrmm
[01:10] <kapputu> hmm why isn't openoffice starting ??
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> .. that's whacked
[01:10] <cardador> kapputu: yes, almost flawlessly
[01:10] <kapputu> you mean flawlessly screwed ?
[01:11] <cardador> kapputu: gnumeric works very well with me
[01:11] <kapputu> it din't install
[01:11] <kapputu> got an error with eggdesktopentries.c
[01:11] <cardador> kapputu: did you use synaptic?
[01:11] <kapputu> an assertion failed I believe
[01:11] <kapputu> no
[01:11] <kapputu> apt
[01:11] <kapputu> and OO isn't starting
[01:11] <cardador> kapputu: have you tried to write gnumeric in a terminal?
[01:12] <kapputu> write gnumeric ?
[01:12] <cardador> gnumeric on a terminal
[01:12] <kapputu> the command was not found
[01:13] <cardador> kapputu: thats weird
[01:13] <kapputu> same problem with synaptic
[01:14] <kapputu> it installs though
[01:14] <kapputu> when I try to start it, it exits
[01:14] <magnon> synaptic doesn't open itself from the command line as a normal user though
[01:14] <robertj> Gnome's VFS plugins are still grossly broke
[01:15] <kapputu> ok great
[01:15] <kapputu> I can't use OO  or gnumeric
[01:15] <magnon> kapputu: error messages would be nice, I guess
[01:15] <magnon> it helps
[01:15] <cardador> kapputu: i can use both, and i have latest hoary
[01:15] <magnon> I have OO installed and working fine, warty
[01:16] <ahood> Hi all, I have a very silly question, but it will help me. What is the difference between 386 and 686? I have to decide which Ubuntu linux-image file to download, 386 or 686.
[01:16] <[Phaedrus] > what processor do you have ahood?
[01:16] <ahood> AMD XP 2200+
[01:16] <[Phaedrus] > go for 686
[01:16] <ahood> Phaedrus: Thanks!
[01:16] <[Phaedrus] > np
[01:16] <kapputu> weird
[01:17] <[Phaedrus] > ?
[01:17] <kapputu> I killed the process and started it from the command line and works
[01:17] <magnon> kapputu: openoffice?
[01:17] <[Phaedrus] > heh
[01:17] <kapputu> yeah
[01:17] <magnon> yeah, heh, it tends to do weird things like that
[01:17] <kapputu> it's damn slow
[01:18] <jdub> ahood: if you have an AMD XP, choose k7
[01:18] <kapputu> please, I don't want to go back to you-know-what
[01:18] <mirak> slow overall.....or just to load?
[01:18] <brad> what do I have to install to unrar a file?
[01:18] <cardador> brad: unrar-nonfree
[01:18] <magnon> kapputu: well, it works - it might be slow to load on a (duh) slow machine, but if you have enough physical memory available for it, it should get better
[01:18] <ahood> jdub:  This one linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7_<IP_ADDRESS>-16_i386.deb?
[01:18] <kapputu> it froze
[01:18] <alf> are we allowed to ask questions about hoary problems here?
[01:19] <kapputu> I guess there is a problem with the spreadsheet program
[01:19] <jdub> ahood: just apt-get install linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7
[01:19] <jdub> alf: yes
[01:19] <noda> Is there some kind of "status" page for Hoary somewhere?
[01:19] <jdub> no, other than the build logs
[01:19] <noda> All right then... does it have X.org yet? :P
[01:19] <Matt|> jdub, is selinux included in hoary?
[01:19] <kapputu> nope
[01:19] <jdub> oh, actually there are uninstallable status pages too
[01:19] <kapputu> it's screwed
[01:19] <jdub> noda: no
[01:19] <Matt|> noda no
[01:20] <kapputu>  it doesn't open
[01:20] <alf> ok, i'm having trouble getting cd drives detected. i can do it manually, but the automatic startup process isn't working, and i don't know what to change.
[01:20] <noda> (that's all I care about, really. Oh, that and the splash screen on bootup)
[01:20] <jdub> Matt|: not configured and so on
[01:20] <noda> Matt|, jdub, kapputu: thanks :)
[01:20] <Matt|> jdub, is the plan to have it working for the release?
[01:20] <ahood> jdub: Good suggestion, of course. However, once I install Ubuntu, I won't have internet access on account of an unsupported wireless card and I need to manually install the updated linux-image and ndiswrapper-utils.
[01:20] <alf> (and it used to work ok in warty, which is why i asked)
[01:20] <HWolf> how do I reconfigure X again?
[01:20] <jdub> Matt|: no, not too interested in selinux yet
[01:20] <magnon> alf: Expect things to break on a development tree :)
[01:20] <noda> ahood: ndiswrapper is installed by default on Warty, isn't it?
[01:21] <Matt|> jdub, ok
[01:21] <Matt|> np, just out of interest
[01:21] <alf> magnon: i know :-) i'm just trying to learn what to fix to make it work
[01:21] <magnon> alf: but you might just file a bug, and it'll get resolved I guess
[01:21] <ahood> noda: I didn't think so. At least, I don't know if it is. I have tried out the Ubuntu liveCD and I don't see it on that. Can anyone confirm if ndiswrapper is included in the full Warty release?
[01:22] <kapputu> damn it works on my laptop
[01:22] <noda> On my laptop I've got /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko
[01:22] <noda> provided with linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[01:22] <robertj> oh, do we get new wallpaper tomorrow ;)
[01:22] <HWolf> According to synaptic it ndiswrapper is available.
[01:22] <Matt|> noda, me too
[01:22] <noda> Naked people?
[01:23] <mirak> ahood, synaptic search gives me ndiswrapper-utils.....but that is it
[01:23] <kapputu> wb ogra
[01:23] <magnon> those are the userspace tools for ndiswrapper, which is what is needed
[01:23] <noda> ndiswrapper is included with the kernel
[01:24] <noda> ogra: You're kidding, right? They're practically the only kind of leases that don't cost vast amounts of money
[01:24] <ahood> noda: So it is included in the full Warty release?
[01:24] <noda> ahood: I can't confirm for sure, but I think so
[01:24] <jdub> ahood: unfortunately, the live cd is somewhat out of sync with the installed system, at least wrt kernel and so on
[01:24] <ahood> noda: How do I confirm it?
[01:25] <noda> ahood: Install it :P
[01:25] <ogra> noda: but they drop me out of the net once a day :(
[01:25] <ahood> noda: hehe. Good suggestion.
[01:25] <kapputu> ogra openoffice doesnt work on my desktop
[01:25] <noda> ogra: Ick. You can edit something in /etc/dhclient (or something) to automatically get a new one, I think
[01:26] <ogra> noda: wont prevent me from my provider.....
[01:26] <TheMuso> I/me is running ipw2100-0.56
[01:26] <TheMuso> Damn fingers. :)
[01:26] <ahood> jdub: Thanks for the reply. Are all liveCD's less functional than the full versions?
[01:27] <nictuku> sorry to repeat: is it planned to make ubuntu "core" site and wiki easier to translate? Some helpers tools would be needed, for example.
[01:27] <[Phaedrus] > Folks. I hear X.org works fine for nvidia cards
[01:27] <[Phaedrus] > if you have an ATI card, stay away from it
[01:27] <magnon> [Phaedrus] : I have an ATI card which works perfectly well
[01:27] <b_e_n_z> [Phaedrus] , that is incorrect
[01:28] <b_e_n_z> [Phaedrus] , i have two ATI cards in two boxes running xorg 6.7/6.8, no problem
[01:28] <[Phaedrus] > really?
[01:28] <[Phaedrus] > well, it seems that a lot of people are having problems
[01:29] <HWolf> Hm. My ati drivers seem to have messed up tvtime. No more tv for me under linux :-S
[01:29] <Jet2k5> Hello guys
[01:29] <Jet2k5> I'm triying to help some one out with ubuntu
[01:29] <Jet2k5> and he needs the kernel source, but he has NO working internet
[01:29] <Jet2k5> how would we go about this?
[01:30] <noda> Jet2k5: Download, burn to CD...
[01:30] <noda> (unless it's on the CD...)
[01:30] <Jet2k5> I dunno
[01:30] <noda> Jet2k5: Perhaps the more important question is: WHY does he need the kernel source? :)
[01:30] <Jet2k5> nvm tho he just left
[01:30] <Jet2k5> he needs to install some niswrapper
[01:30] <noda> Jet2k5: It's installed already
[01:31] <Jet2k5> oh
[01:31] <Jet2k5> well I dunno
[01:31] <Jet2k5> nvm then
[01:31] <Jet2k5> It's some guy that needs help and I keep on telling me to step in here, but he doesn't lisen
[01:31] <noda> Jet2k5: Just start up, go to Computer -> System Configuration -> Network (I think) and play around :)
[01:31] <Jet2k5> thanks for the hel anyway
[01:31] <noda> np
[01:32] <noda> (that's what I like about Ubuntu -- people always ask about how to do very complicated stuff to get a certain goal... and it's actually damned easy)
[01:32] <LucidVisions> lol
[01:32] <LucidVisions> hehe
[01:32] <b_e_n_z> one wonders why ubuntu doesn't use xorg...
[01:32] <ahood> Thanks to everyone!
[01:33] <noda> b_e_n_z: Because it couldn't make it in for its first release. It'll be in Hoary
[01:33] <ogra> noda: the prob is to teach people that there is an easy way.....
[01:33] <noda> b_e_n_z: The awesome thing about Ubuntu is its 6-month release schedule, don't diss it :)
[01:33] <b_e_n_z> also some framebuffer splash on bootup would be nice...
[01:33] <noda> b_e_n_z: Also planned for Hoary (I think)
[01:33] <ogra> b_e_n_z: hoary
[01:33] <b_e_n_z> ha
[01:34] <noda> b_e_n_z: Check out the wiki at http://www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki to see what's pllaned.
[01:34] <noda> Erm, "planned"
[01:34] <robertj> ogra: is hoary going to be tracking debian unstable or a custom build of gnome?
[01:34] <b_e_n_z> noda, they have full-time staff working on this distro?
[01:34] <noda> b_e_n_z: Yep!
[01:34] <b_e_n_z> noda, awesome
[01:34] <[Phaedrus] > how come they don't have a release for K7s?
[01:34] <noda> robertj: Certainly not unstable, since it'll release the same day GNOME 2.10 is released (whereas unstable will still be using 2.8)
[01:35] <HWolf> [phaedrus]  because they sell a lot of athlons these days?
[01:35] <noda> b_e_n_z: Yes, Ubuntu rocketh
[01:35] <HWolf> noda, what can we expect from 2.10, do you know that?
[01:36] <noda> HWolf: I only know my little subset: epiphany extensions will have a nice UI and you'll be able to load/unload them while Epiphany is running :P
[01:36] <noda> Beyond that... dunno :P
[01:36] <robertj> hrmm, I wonder why I have sound if I run an app from a terminal but no sound if I run it from the menu
[01:36] <noda> Don't even know if Epiphany will be default (I'm guessing not, but really, if there's anything we can do to change that...)
[01:37] <noda> robertj: What app?
[01:37] <HWolf> noda, epiphany is a browser right?
[01:37] <noda> HWolf: Yep
[01:37] <robertj> any sdl app
[01:37] <HWolf> noda, don't be offended, but why is gnome developing it's own browser when there is something as smooth as mozilla to compete against?
[01:37] <noda> HWolf: Maybe there'll be audio CD burning... GNOME really needs that :)
[01:38] <robertj> I was a naughty boy and reported it as a bug but sdl is in universe ;)
[01:38] <noda> HWolf: Have you tried Epiphany? :)
[01:38] <jazzka> I'm using firefox, how can I access to mozilla composer (html editor) ??
[01:38] <noda> HWolf: It's light years ahead of Firefox in terms of usability.
[01:38] <noda> HWolf: Simple, and Just Works -- it's a GNOME browser.
[01:38] <noda> HWolf: And it fits in better with GNOME -- follows your theme better.
[01:38] <robertj> Epiphany needs to ditch its bookmarks though
[01:39] <robertj> Everyone uses bookmarks the same way
[01:39] <robertj> they bookmark stuff, then they never use it again
[01:39] <noda> They may be revamped to automatically create hierarchies.
[01:40] <HWolf> robertj, Actually I do use bookmarks, I just store every decent site I come across that interest me, so when I do forget the url, I can get back there
[01:40] <robertj> noda: I hope they steal the firefox search too
[01:40] <robertj> I'd love to see that added to the HIG
[01:40] <spiv> robertj: I actually epiphany's bookmarks, which surprised me :)
[01:40] <noda> robertj: I find that thing kind of sucky, but we may find a better thing :)
[01:40] <thoreauputic> noda: Is it possible to have mouse gestures with Epiphany? I don't see thet option...
[01:40] <spiv> s/actually/actually use/
[01:40] <robertj> noda: the search?
[01:40] <noda> thoreauputic: apt-get install epiphany-extensions
[01:40] <robertj> noda: err find?
[01:40] <noda> robertj: yeah
[01:40] <thoreauputic> noda: thanks
[01:40] <spacey`ki> i also use my bookmarks
[01:40] <robertj> noda: why do you not like it?
[01:41] <HWolf> Extensions for Epiphany web browser
[01:41] <HWolf> Adds extra features to GNOME's Epiphany web browser, including mouse
[01:41] <HWolf> gestures, move tabs between windows, error viewer and  validator,
[01:41] <HWolf> certificate viewer, smart bookmarks, page info, CSS Stylesheet
[01:41] <HWolf> and a GNOME Dashboard interface.
[01:41] <noda> robertj: Feels... kind of... like "no other apps act like this, I have to learn a new procedure"
[01:41] <robertj> noda: yeah, but it's good stuff
[01:42] <HWolf> noda, how is epihany ahead of firefox then, in usability?
[01:42] <noda> robertj: IMO we should have something like gconf-editor :)
[01:42] <noda> HWolf: Like half as many menu entries, and follows the HIG :)
[01:42] <robertj> It made me think "I wish Writer, Word, and MacWrite did this"
[01:42] <HWolf> Should I google for HIG, or can you tell me?
[01:42] <noda> HWolf: All GNOME apps follow the HIG. Human Interface Guidelines
[01:43] <HWolf> noda, ah. :-)
[01:44] <ficusplanet> HWolf, and it automatically uses GNOME proxy settings and will soon use gnome-print
[01:44] <noda> HWolf: And my Error Viewer extension is awesome, too. Though I think on Ubuntu it doesn't work with xhtml. I'll have to reproduce then file a bug :)
[01:44] <amathis> how can I restart the sound server?
[01:44] <noda> Yeah, not to mention, it's worked with Beagle for ages (dunno if Firefox does)
[01:44] <robertj> noda: what do you think of this: http://www.music.uga.edu/temp/whatif.jpg
[01:44] <noda> And the popup blocker is better than Firefox's :)
[01:44] <HWolf> Is gnome still depending on those massive mozilla libraries?
[01:44] <noda> HWolf: Yes, BUT
[01:45] <noda> HWolf: http://gtk-webcore.sf.net
[01:45] <ficusplanet> noda, If firefox doesn't now, it certainly will because Novell is making it the default browser in Novell Linux Desktop.
[01:45] <noda> Galeon can actually use gtk-webcore as a backend (what Safari uses on Mac). I think it works on Epiphany -- if not then it's just a few hours to get it working.
[01:45] <robertj> Firefox is opensource and has good name recognition and a good reputation
[01:45] <tolstoy> I like epiphany, too --- but I got the feeling firefox is going to be the default for gnome, eh?
[01:46] <noda> tolstoy: not anytime soon, I don't think...
[01:46] <robertj> Multiple gtk backends for html rendering seems overly redundant
[01:46] <noda> robertj: That's exactly why it's in Ubuntu, unfortunately for us. That means we really don't have any way to improve Epiphany to get it in the next release
[01:46] <HWolf> It's not that I would enjoy epihany. I'm just unhappy that display managers ship like 4 browsers and mail clients.
[01:46] <noda> robertj: Webcore uses about 5x less memory than Mozilla
[01:46] <ficusplanet> I think epiphany will be more liked after the next release - with the GUI for extensions and gnome-print and whatever else marco and christian cook up.
[01:47] <amathis> how can I restart the sound server?
[01:47] <noda> Yeah :)
[01:47] <robertj> Noda: is that with a full khtml implementation?
[01:47] <noda> ficusplanet: We need more extension ideas, though. What extensions do you think we should have? :)
[01:47] <noda> robertj: Yes
[01:47] <noda> robertj: Actually, sorry, NO. :P
[01:47] <robertj> noda: mozilla has lots of nice stuff
[01:47] <noda> robertj: It's just in testing, so some functionality isn't hooked in yet. But it'll still be much smaller and faster than Mozilla. Unfortunately, at the moment it crashes very often
[01:48] <ficusplanet> noda, I think graphical (thumbnails and searching) history would be awesome.  For bookmarks, too, I guess.
[01:48] <robertj> Safari crashes quite often for me
[01:48] <robertj> Firefox still crashes some, but not nearly as often.
[01:48] <noda> ficusplanet: I've been thinking along the same lines. On the other hand, Beagle might render that unnecessary.
[01:48] <HWolf> First thing I see on this thing is that it doesn't have the google search integrated, which I think is a must-have. :-)
[01:48] <robertj> I'd love to see both backends be able to endure endless streams of garbage html
[01:49] <noda> ficusplanet: I was considering implementing a Storage extension... but Storage is kinda dead nowadays and I'm not sure it's the "right" way to do it.
[01:49] <HWolf> noda, sorry for the comment, but it looks a lot like IE to me. Makes me shiver. :-)
[01:49] <ficusplanet> noda, True, if we could feed beagle screenshots, though, that would be amazing.  And beagle won't get widespread acceptance until mono legal are sorted out.
[01:49] <noda> ficusplanet: Maybe we can finish Python or C# bindings for Epiphany... that'd get more extension developers I think :)
[01:49] <noda> ficusplanet: It already feeds beagle screenshots, doesn't it?
[01:49] <tolstoy> The thing I like about epiphany is that it can be integrated into gnome in ways that don't make sense for a cross platform firefox.
[01:49] <ficusplanet> noda, Oh, I didn't know that.
[01:49] <HWolf> tolstoy, give me an example. :-)
[01:50] <noda> ficusplanet: Actually... maybe not. No, it probably has snippets, like Google
[01:50] <tolstoy> HWolf, native widgets.
[01:50] <noda> tolstoy: unfortunately, Epiphany doesn't use native widgets with the Mozilla backend. The gtk-webcore backend does, though
[01:50] <ficusplanet> noda, Some kind of RSS integration would be nice/timely/in-with-the-Safari-and-Firefox-fad
[01:50] <tolstoy> HWolf, maybe integrated bookmarks with addressbook and GAIM etc.
[01:50] <tolstoy> noda, but it could.
[01:51] <noda> tolstoy: yeah, we've been thinking about that, too. That'd be cool. But how would it work? :)
[01:51] <tolstoy> noda, i mean, maybe it would be too painful to patch native widgets in, but that's the kind of thing I mean.
[01:51] <robertj> noda: Speed is good, memory matters to me almost not at all as long as it doesn't leak
[01:51] <noda> ficusplanet: What kind of RSS integration is useful? It seems to me that "automatic bookmarks" stuff is just somebody who was bored and wanted to find something to code. What does it do?
[01:51] <HWolf> Hey noda, I was wondering, how are the gnome priorities.  It Just Works :)
[01:52] <tolstoy> noda, I don't know what neat things could be done with a more "native" browser, but at least you wouldn't have to justify against the needs of windows.
[01:52] <amathis> how can I restart the sound server?
[01:52] <ficusplanet> noda, In the least we need clicking an RSS feed to bring up a helper app to subscribe to it - preferrably one that works with all 3 major gnome RSS aggregators.
[01:52] <noda> ficusplanet: Yes, we could do that in an extension.
[01:53] <ficusplanet> noda, You're an epiphany developer?
[01:53] <HWolf> Is there any real effort to streamline gnome more, code-wise? Most programmers you need to whip into writing sleek code, is my experience.
[01:53] <noda> ficusplanet: Not as much as Christian and Marco (or even Crispin, really, and he's a Galeon dev :P), but yeah
[01:54] <ficusplanet> noda, Cool
[01:54] <noda> jdub: Hrm... how often does this RSS thingy update? Maybe it is cool ;)
[01:54] <tolstoy> so, is epiphany the "official" gnome browser?
[01:54] <noda> tolstoy: yes
[01:55] <nictuku> gnome is not worried about low end hardware support, is it?
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, I have a problem running azureus, here is the output...Starting Azureus...
[01:55] <jdub> tolstoy: it's shipped in the gnome desktop release
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE [java = Error]
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> Java exec found in  /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/bin/
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE  [/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/bin/java = Error]
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[01:55] <noda> nictuku: Not to the level distributors are.
[01:55] <Hikaru79> Mojo, you don't have the Java Runtime Environment
[01:55] <Hikaru79> You need to download it
[01:55] <tolstoy> Hm. I just apt-got it, and it's not on any menus!
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> but, I have java installed its the sameone on my slackware box
[01:55] <jdub> nictuku: interested in making gnome useful on old hardware, sure, but it's challenging. basically, you just need 256MB RAM or above.
[01:55] <ficusplanet> noda, So are you guys just looking for ways to differentiate yourselves from Firefox?
[01:55] <Hikaru79> Mojo, then the path isn't set right
[01:55] <Hikaru79> Type
[01:55] <Hikaru79> 'which java'
[01:55] <noda> ficusplanet: Yes.
[01:55] <Hikaru79> in a terminal
[01:55] <Hikaru79> And paste the output
[01:56] <robertj> noda: did you take a look at http://www.music.uga.edu/temp/whatif.jpg
[01:56] <thoreauputic> noda: I know this is controversial, but I prefer Galeon (although the 1.2 series was better IMO) Why was Galeon not pursued rather than Epiphany? Epiphany seems less sophisticated to me..
[01:56] <noda> ficusplanet: So far we have the bookmarks (which may be getting Peter Harvey's cool auto-hierarchical-bookmarks patch merged in)
[01:56] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/bin/java
[01:56] <Hikaru79> OK :)
[01:56] <Hikaru79> Now what distro are you using? Ubuntu?
[01:56] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah i'm using ubuntu
[01:56] <Hikaru79> OK
[01:56] <Hikaru79> Open up .bashrc in a text editor
[01:56] <tolstoy> ii  epiphany       0.5.1-1        Clone of BoulderDash Game
[01:56] <tolstoy> Huh???
[01:56] <noda> robertj: What is it? :)
[01:56] <jdub> tolstoy: epiphany-browser
[01:56] <tolstoy> Ah. ;)
[01:57] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, ok its open
[01:57] <HWolf> Hm. Under epiphany there is no quick-reply option on the ubuntu forums...
[01:57] <Hikaru79> Add this line at the end:
[01:57] <noda> thoreauputic: Check the logic on the Galeon web page, it makes sense :)
[01:57] <robertj> It's what the sidebar should be in a spatial nautilus, a gateway to other "spaces" that you can use to drag things between
[01:57] <noda> thoreauputic: Basically, because Galeon had turned into a giant flame-fest.
[01:57] <Hikaru79> export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/bin
[01:57] <noda> robertj: I can see that being useful.  I do not want to start a flamewar here. But does linux/X/gnome miss something to run "fine" in a low end machine, or is it just too "feature-full"? I mean, win98 runs fine here.
[01:58] <Hikaru79> And try again
[01:58] <ficusplanet> thoreauputic, The epiphany code is also way cleaner/more readable than galeon's.
[01:58] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[01:58] <robertj> Yup, same as in Save As
[01:58] <noda> ficusplanet: Some code.
[01:58] <jdub> nictuku: gnome (and other desktop components) does a heck of a lot more than win98
[01:58] <noda> nictuku: There's tons that runs fine on low end machines -- REALLY FAST -- like blackbox...
[01:58] <Hikaru79> o_O
[01:58] <Hikaru79> I guess it worked for him then, lol :P
[01:58] <jdub> nictuku: there are lots of things that need optimisation - it's just a matter of time
[01:59] <ficusplanet> nictuku, Windows 98 is 6 years older than GNOME 2.8 as well.
[01:59] <noda> ficusplanet: Crispin's code in Galeon is great.
[01:59] <jdub> nictuku: it's more fun working on new stuff than fixing old code :)
[01:59] <tolstoy> hm. epiphany doesn't immediately obey the "text below icons" thing, or the removal of it.
[01:59] <nictuku> noda, I know. I use fluxbox, but yet I don't get the same results. I would have to use dillo, and don't even think about listening to mp3. again, this is not a complain, don't get me wrong.
[01:59] <nictuku> jdub hehe.
[01:59] <noda> ficusplanet: When I made my select-stylesheet extension, I copied code from Galeon. It was hilarious -- most of the code was absolutely perfect, and then there were about 100 lines of utter garbage. :)
[01:59] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, I still get the same problem :(
[02:00] <Hikaru79> =/
[02:00] <Hikaru79> Hm
[02:00] <Hikaru79> I think I may know why
[02:00] <noda> nictuku: Try skipstone as a browser, maybe? It depends on less than Epiphany
[02:00] <Hikaru79> export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/bin/java
[02:00] <Hikaru79> Use that instead
[02:00] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[02:00] <Hikaru79> The thing is, I use the SDK
[02:00] <Hikaru79> Not the JRE
[02:00] <Hikaru79> So I'm not sure exactly what the path is
[02:00] <Hikaru79> But it's something similar to that
[02:00] <noda> tolstoy: yeah, that's because Epiphany's toolbar is editable. The egg-editable-toolbar does some weird things.
[02:00] <Hikaru79> You could probably look around those files yourself to find the right path too
[02:01] <robertj> noda: also, note the following are missing from the links ;) ~/Desktop ~/ and unmounted disks
[02:01] <noda> tolstoy: wait a second... no, there's no good excuse for that! Damn :)
[02:01] <Hikaru79> The idea is, you have to add that directory to your path
[02:01] <Hikaru79> So that Ubuntu recognizes where Java is :)
[02:01] <Hikaru79> And then it'll work  ^ ^
[02:01] <Mojo_Jojo> but it is in my path...isnt?
[02:01] <robertj> noda: how do you feel about that?
[02:01] <noda> So, I'll compile a list, then: Things Epiphany Could Use To Be More Awesome
[02:01] <HWolf> Btw, to the gnome-devs. Sorry i am a bit agressive. My first impression with gnome years back was that it took ages to download all these massive mozilla libraries, and then when I booted, I had like 3 browsers, and 4 mail clients.
[02:01] <noda> robertj: I'm not sure getting rid of Desktop is a good idea... I keep lotsa windows open :)
[02:01] <nictuku> noda, never heard of skipstone. Thanks for that =]
[02:02] <tolstoy> noda, but I can't even remove those redundant text labels using epiphany's toolbar edit!  Hm.  Maybe a bug in this version? Last I used had that sort of thing working.
[02:02] <noda> nictuku: It's kind of dead I think :(
[02:02] <Hikaru79> Mojo_Jojo, apparently not =/
[02:02] <nictuku> :(
[02:02] <jdub> HWolf: gnome didn't ship a browser in an official release until 2.4
[02:02] <noda> tolstoy: Sounds buggy. If it doesn't do what you expect, it's buggy. File a bug :)
[02:02] <robertj> noda: why do you need Desktop?
[02:02] <noda> robertj: In case there's no desktop on my screen.
[02:02] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, so what should I do now?
[02:02] <Hikaru79> Did you change the line?
[02:02] <Mojo_Jojo> sorry...newbie :(
[02:03] <noda> robertj: Like, if I've got a window maximized
[02:03] <tolstoy> noda, okay.  I'll have to do a search.
[02:03] <Hikaru79> Mojo_Jojo, did you change the line?
[02:03] <Hikaru79> Hey, kapputu welcome back :)
[02:03] <kapputu> thanks Hiky :-)
[02:03] <robertj> Noda: one time fix. Go to Documents, select View Parent, drag Desktop into Documents
[02:03] <HWolf> I've got no idea which I first installed. I used KDE for a bit, after that Gnome was a massive improvement. I just feel that linux is about options, and thus you should get something that works shipped standard, but allow it to be replaced rather then have people run something different besides.
[02:03] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, actually I left both lines in there haha
[02:03] <robertj> Bam, no need for Desktop anymore
[02:03] <noda> robertj: True dat
[02:03] <Hikaru79> =P Err
[02:03] <Hikaru79> Should be OK
[02:03] <Hikaru79> Now just try again
[02:04] <Hikaru79> If not, just get the SDK
[02:04] <noda> I used to use Blackbox, then KDE... when I tried GNOME 2.0, I never went back.
[02:04] <Mojo_Jojo> damn...where can I get the sdk? I didn't see it on the site?
[02:04] <nictuku> there is another doubt I have and I can't ever get a good neutral answer: is X really "slow"? from my user point of view, it has a bad latency. Is that so, or only a repetitive mantra between some users (X is slow) ?
[02:04] <Mojo_Jojo> oh how do I remove the old one??
[02:04] <noda> So, who here uses the automatic bookmarks?
[02:04] <Hikaru79> http://java.sun.com
[02:04] <spacey`ki> i like gnome too. although i think the gnome-terminal is really crappy
[02:04] <noda> in Firefox
[02:04] <Hikaru79> As for deleting the old one just remove the files
[02:04] <noda> spacey`ki: It is. Well, gnome-terminal is fine, but its backend is crappy
[02:05] <tolstoy> I started using gnome pre 1.0. ;)
[02:05] <noda> nictuku: No, X is not slow.
[02:05] <Mojo_Jojo> ok so just remove the /usr/java??
[02:05] <jdub> HWolf: linux is about cloning unix and providing an interface to your hardware. it's a kernel.
[02:05] <robertj> So the guestion remains: why do we have a Desktop?
[02:05] <tolstoy> KDE was much more solid, but I just couldn't stay away from gnome, for some reason.
[02:05] <spacey`ki> noda, especially with a lot of output terminal can take up to 70% cpu. ;p what backend is that?
[02:05] <noda> spacey`ki: Erm... vte I think
[02:05] <spacey`ki> never heard of it :p
[02:06] <noda> spacey`ki: It's annoying, I know. It takes more processing power to actually print 'make' output than it does to comiple :P
[02:06] <spacey`ki> uhu :)
[02:06] <noda> spacey`ki: It's been around forever. Before that there was another one which was fast but crashed.
[02:06] <jdub> spacey`ki: vte is the terminal emulation library that gnome-terminal uses.
[02:06] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, which one do I download? http://java.sun.com/j2ee/1.4/download.html#sdk
[02:06] <spacey`ki> well they should drop it then :P
[02:06] <jdub> noda: no, zvt was difficult to read (codewise) and didn't do i18n/utf-8 or a11y.
[02:06] <robertj> noda: care to hear the answer to that rhetorical question or am I boring you ;)
[02:06] <Mojo_Jojo> I also found the SE
[02:07] <jdub> spacey`ki: please write a new terminal emulation library, and propose it to replace vte.
[02:07] <noda> jdub: Ah. I knew it was hopeless :)
[02:07] <kapputu> any openoffice users here ?
[02:07] <jdub> noda: it wasn't.
[02:07] <noda> jdub: Do you think vte could be optimized?
[02:07] <spacey`ki> jdub, yeah sure when i have the time :) i'll put it on the end of my todo list
[02:07] <noda> robertj: Which question? And sure, what's the answer? :)
[02:07] <jdub> noda: sure.
[02:07] <robertj> noda: We have Documents because ~ gets filled with junk that noone knows about
[02:07] <robertj> It's no mans land, filled with stuff from both packages and users
[02:08] <robertj> So we say "Bahh, make Documents"
[02:08] <jdub> robertj: not entirely true these days.
[02:08] <robertj> jdub: fill me in
[02:08] <jdub> what you said above is not entirely true these days
[02:08] <kapputu> why is there a gap of two lines when I type in something in oowriter ?
[02:10] <robertj> jdub: okay, tell me about it when you get off the phone
[02:10] <noda> kapputu: Go Format -> Paragraph and look at spacing?
[02:10] <kapputu> what's the different b/w OO writer and OO Wordprocessor ?
[02:10] <kapputu> it looks good in OO Word processor
[02:11] <robertj> noda: anyway, there is this kinda catch 22 in which you need to give users easy access to Documents and the root so that they can copy all their documents to and fro
[02:11] <robertj> but if you give them access, there is the temptation "we have this parent folder with one folder, that's silly. You shouldn't have one folder with just one item as a standard setup"
[02:13] <robertj> noda: isn't that how the thinking goes?
[02:13] <noda> IMO there should be no Documents, and ~ should be the Desktop folder.
[02:13] <robertj> Noda: then you have to give people a way to unclutter the desktop
[02:13] <robertj> I think the sane thing to do is ditch Documents and the desktop
[02:14] <noda> Bah, everybody likes clutter :)
[02:14] <robertj> and make a hotkey to bring the home folder to the forground so you can drag in and out of it
[02:14] <robertj> I kinda cheat now and have hide/show desktop as the Win key, but it still doesn't work helpfully
[02:14] <tux_> anything is better than what MS has done to XPeee
[02:14] <WW> kapputu: I looks like Write is for editing html.
[02:14] <Dekkard> what is the command to bring up the network config utility
[02:14] <WW> Writer*
[02:14] <robertj> like I cant start a drag from the desktop and press the win key to pop my app to the foreground to deposit my file in
[02:14] <Ghent19> Dekkard is a gentoo ricer ;)
[02:15] <Dekkard> ghent is a mod poser
[02:15] <Ghent19> sup?
[02:15] <Dekkard> wello.. i got this router today..
[02:15] <Dekkard>
[02:15] <Dekkard> so i need to reset up ubuntu to do the router thing instead of pppoe
[02:16] <Dekkard> and i got an ibook
[02:16] <Dekkard> hehe
[02:16] <Dekkard> i kinda dig it
[02:16] <Ghent19> well i got no idea on how its done off a debian based distro :P
[02:16] <Dekkard> dme either
[02:17] <Dekkard> ive only been doing ubuntu for a wwk or so
[02:17] <NetwrkMonkey> which debian version is ubuntu based off of?
[02:17] <noda> NetwrkMonkey: unstabl
[02:17] <Ghent19> dont tell me whiprush corrupted you?
[02:17] <noda> e
[02:17] <Dekkard> no dood i had no idea he was on it
[02:17] <tux_> Dekkard, ubuntu rocks
[02:18] <Dekkard> ubuntun wont let gtkan recognize my cannon powershot
[02:18] <Dekkard> ubuntu is givin me cdburning gas
[02:18] <Dekkard> it doesnt like  my ide cdroms'
[02:18] <Dekkard> dint have this with slack
[02:19] <tux_> well, it is cutting edge
[02:19] <Ghent19> did you setup the scsi emulation?
[02:19] <Dekkard> no
[02:19] <tux_> er, on the edge of flattulence
[02:19] <tux_> hehe
[02:19] <noda> You don't need that, do you?
[02:19] <Dekkard> i thought 2.6 kernel took care of htat?
[02:19] <jdub> Dekkard: not hugely reliably so far
[02:19] <Dekkard> as in not necessary
[02:19] <noda> Dekkard: Writing CDs should be a drag-and-drop operation
[02:19] <Ghent19> no idea, i really hanvt been on linux since 2,2 :P
[02:19] <jdub> load sr_mod in your /etc/modules
[02:20] <Dekkard> drag and drop if i want ot use nautilus
[02:20] <robertj> Noda: that side panel would make burning cds a one window operation again
[02:20] <Ghent19> append ide-scsi=hdc  or whatever to your lilo.conf :P
[02:20] <noda> robertj: Holy cow, you're right, that'd be sweet
[02:20] <noda> Not that I mind 'Go -> Burn CD'
[02:20] <noda> Or whatever it is
[02:21] <Dekkard> but that doesnt convert mp3 files to wave for burning regualr audio cds does it?
[02:21] <noda> Aargh. This channel is addictive. Must go do laundry and eat and homework and study and stuff!
[02:21] <noda> Dekkard: No :(
[02:21] <tux_> noda, like there is anything else
[02:21] <tux_> i hang on to the logs to grep
[02:21] <Dekkard> i miss that from k3b.. but im not going to install kde just  for that
[02:21] <noda> tux_: Hehehe, actually I never burn audio CDs but I go through 50-packs...
[02:21] <tux_> for solutions to common ubuntu issues
[02:22] <tux_> noda, ah... distros, etc.
[02:22] <robertj> noda: well, you right click the cd and select eject
[02:22] <robertj> it asks you to write, and you are done
[02:22] <Dekkard> jIRCii 10.24.04 MacOSX : I pity the fool who don't use jIRCii
[02:22] <tux_> er, that is scary... much like winders
[02:22] <noda> tux_: For me, it's more for transferring like 5MB of files per CD for assignments and stuff :)
[02:22] <noda> I'm off :)
[02:22] <robertj> noda: time to invest in a keychain
[02:22] <tux_> later
[02:23] <tux_> yea
[02:23] <noda> robertj: I've got one, but I won't be handing *that* in to teachers
[02:23] <tux_> usb 1gb are cheap
[02:23] <robertj> noda: oh ;)
[02:23] <tux_> lol
[02:23] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, it still doesnt work but when I "which java" I get "/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_06/bin//java" which is tere and extra /
[02:23] <Ghent19> st pauli? you can do better than that...
[02:24] <Dekkard> not for 19 a case ghent
[02:24] <Ghent19> heh, i spent $10 on a dogfish head 120 min IPA
[02:24] <Dekkard> well..hm
[02:24] <Ghent19> but its 20%abv.
[02:24] <Dekkard> yer a freek
[02:24] <Dekkard> i needed leave blowing beer
[02:24] <benjanet> how do i use my printer on Firefox...
[02:25] <Ghent19> oh, found a place less than a mile from me that serves dragonmead on tap!
[02:25] <Dekkard> koo
[02:25] <Dekkard>  you goin to the mozparty?
[02:25] <Ghent19> planning on it.
[02:25] <Dekkard> i hope to
[02:26] <Dekkard> wanna drink another grand cru to see if its as wierd as i remember it ot be
[02:26] <Ghent19> heh
[02:26] <WW> benjanet: File -> Print...   doesn't work?
[02:26] <benjanet> WW, it dosent show my Epson printer...just postcript
[02:26] <Dekkard> speakin of which.. my beer is lonely, it requests the company of another beer
[02:27] <Dekkard> benjanet have you added your prenter using the cups utility in ubuntu?
[02:27] <robertj> Also, riddle me this. Who here has a Firefox profile called default6 ;)
[02:28] <Dekkard> prolly me
[02:28] <WW> benjanet: Did you try printing to it? That's what mine says, but it prints OK.
[02:28] <Dekkard> god i hope not
[02:28] <amathis> how can I restart the sound server?
[02:28] <benjanet> Dekkard, yes. i have. I appears on other programs normaly, but not in Firefox
[02:28] <LinuxJones> benjanet, >> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2384
[02:28] <Dekkard> benjanet have to gone forward and tried to printg?
[02:29] <Dekkard> epson is your postscript printer i believe'
[02:29] <Dekkard> brb
[02:29] <Dekkard> freekin ricers
[02:29] <benjanet> Dekkard, it just feeds paper
[02:29] <benjanet> nothing printed
[02:29] <Dekkard> thats a start
[02:29] <Dekkard> hehe
[02:30] <Dekkard> can you get a test page?
[02:30] <benjanet> Dekkard, test page goes ok
[02:30] <Dekkard> sorry
[02:30] <Dekkard> hmm
[02:31] <Dekkard> sorry ben im not sure what to tell you
[02:31] <benjanet> Dekkard, ok, thanks anyway
[02:31] <Dekkard> sowwyt
[02:31] <WW> benjanet: Do other apps print OK?
[02:33] <kapputu> how do I print using a remote printer ?
[02:33] <benjanet> WW, i testing now
[02:34] <tolstoy> thunderbird thinks my ubuntu bug reports are junk!  bad filter.  bad!
[02:36] <benjanet> ww, seems that now test page dosent work, and printer is not auto detected
[02:36] <tolstoy> Interesting.  Add a printer finds a local printer, an HP laserjet 2100.  It's correct!  When I hit forward, it totally forgets what it founds, makes me search for the correct HP driver.  Weird.
[02:36] <tolstoy> Oh, wait.  Now it works. Hm.
[02:36] <kapputu> my wireless connection keeps dropping
[02:36] <kapputu> :-(
[02:37] <tolstoy> oops, now it doesn't.
[02:37] <Matt|2> hi there
[02:37] <Matt|2> can someone tell me why my desktop background was blue and now it is brown???
[02:37] <kapputu> hi Matt|2
[02:37] <Matt|2> i want my blue back
[02:37] <Hikaru79> Matt|2: Right click and change desktop background..?
[02:38] <Matt|2> Hikaru79, i can't find the background
[02:38] <Hikaru79> I have a picture of my girlfriend as a background <3~~
[02:38] <Matt|2> i had a blue ubuntu background
[02:38] <Hikaru79> The brown one?
[02:38] <jdub> Matt|2: the default desktop changed between preview and release candidate
[02:38] <Hikaru79> Should be called Chocolate Ubuntu or something
[02:38] <Matt|2> jdub, but mine has changed in the last 5 minutes
[02:38] <Arkadius> ghent it worked
[02:39] <Arkadius> got the ubuntu box up on the net
[02:39] <Hikaru79> o_O Wierd
[02:39] <Hikaru79> l33t h4x0rz, must be ;)
[02:39] <Matt|2> jdub, i just reboot
[02:39] <Matt|2> ed
[02:39] <Matt|2> Hikaru79, let's hope not ;)
[02:39] <Hikaru79> Hehe :P
[02:39] <kapputu> Hiky what's l33t h4x04z
[02:40] <Matt|2> /kick kapputu
[02:40] <Ghent19> sure, try to confuse me with another nic Arkadius  :P
[02:40] <Hikaru79> LOL :P
[02:40] <Hikaru79> Are you joking, kappu?
[02:40] <Arkadius> heh
[02:40] <Ghent19> another beer or two and you may have
[02:40] <Arkadius> im trying
[02:40] <kapputu> no I'm serious
[02:40] <Matt|2> jdub, please help me out with this: it seems to have caused some problems. I cannot now resize my transparent aterm without it losing its transparency
[02:41] <kapputu> l33t is elitist or something right ?
[02:41] <Matt|2> jdub, it only happens since my desktop has changed colour ;)
[02:41] <WW> kapputu: google: 1337
[02:41] <jdub> Matt|2: the background issue is most likely unrelated
[02:41] <tseng> if yo umove it, does it refresh?
[02:41] <Arkadius> now i need to goto fink and firnd so lin apps ported to osx
[02:41] <jdub> Matt|2: that's just a result of upgrading ubuntu-artwork
[02:41] <kapputu> is that a el or a 1
[02:41] <Matt|2> jdub, OOOOhhhhh
[02:41] <WW> kapputu: one three three seven
[02:41] <Matt|2> so the transparency issue is a result of upgrading something else
[02:41] <Matt|2> jdub, so the transparency issue is a result of upgrading something else
[02:42] <Arkadius> freekin kewl
[02:42] <Arkadius> hehe
[02:43] <Matt|2> tseng, no
[02:44] <tux_> alf: had any good cats lately?
[02:44] <tux_> hehe
[02:44] <kapputu> how do I disable grouping windows ?
[02:44] <alf> heh
[02:45] <jdub> kapputu: right click on the window switcher
[02:45] <alf> just wondering - is there a way to customise the Applications/Computer menus?
[02:45] <WW> alf: yes/no
[02:45] <Matt|2> jdub, you can't help with my aterm problem?
[02:45] <kapputu> where is that
[02:45] <alf> nice answer :)
[02:45] <jdub> Matt|2: no
[02:45] <kapputu> gotcha
[02:46] <WW> alf: Try right-clicking in a submenu under Applications.  You'll see several options.
[02:46] <Matt|2> jdub, how about with reverting to the old artwork? Synaptic says that if I force the package to be the older version, I have to remove mozilla-firefox
[02:46] <jdub> Matt|2: that won't help your aterm issue
[02:46] <alf> WW: yes, I see that. how about changing which submenus are there, or even combining them into one menu
[02:46] <Matt|2> jdub, true but at least I will be happy with the desktop
[02:46] <alf> (I'm trying not to mention Windows)
[02:47] <WW> alf: Use Nautilus, browse to applications:///
[02:47] <Matt|2> jdub, why is it telling me that I have to remove firefox in order to revert to the older artwork?
[02:47] <tolstoy> did you guys know that emacs is foobarred in the Accessories menu?
[02:48] <tolstoy> I should report that bug, but it's been around forever, i think.
[02:48] <WW> alf: Also, take a look at the wiki FAQ.
[02:48] <alf> WW: ok, i will, thanks
[02:48] <jdub> Matt|2: because firefox depends on the new artwork
[02:48] <tolstoy> Emacs @MAJOR_VERSION@ (X11)
[02:48] <jdub> Matt|2: the artwork is unrelated to your aterm issue
[02:48] <jdub> tolstoy: yes
[02:48] <jdub> tolstoy: (it shouldn't be in the menu anyway, but that does need to be fixed)
[02:48] <Matt|2> jdub, i have understood that. But I simply like the older artwork more. Do you know why firefox depends on the new artwork?
[02:49] <jdub> Matt|2: because it includes the default homepage
[02:49] <Matt|2> omg
[02:49] <jdub> Matt|2: downgrading the artwork pacakge is not the best way of getting the old artwork
[02:49] <jdub> just set your background up the same way
[02:49] <tolstoy> Ah, good.
[02:49] <Matt|2> jdub, ah cool. what is the other way?
[02:49] <tolstoy> Unfortunatley, when I try to fix it with applications:///, it just won't "take".
[02:49] <jdub> tolstoy: killall gnome-panel
[02:50] <tolstoy> didn't work.
[02:50] <tolstoy> I usually try that first: some holdover from ancient gnome versions.
 just set your background up the same way
[02:51] <Matt|2> how can i do that?
[02:51] <jdub> Matt|2: use the desktop background prefs dialogue
[02:51] <kapputu> any new ubuntu themes ?
[02:51] <Matt|2> jdub, but I do not have the image
[02:51] <jdub> Matt|2: it was just a transparent image of the ubuntu logo
[02:51] <Matt|2> jdub, also, that will only change the desktop background when I am logged in
[02:51] <jdub> that will change it immediately
[02:52] <Matt|2> when logging in I will still get the brown colour
[02:52] <jdub> the old background might be on gnome-look, i think someone uploaded it there
[02:52] <jdub> no you won';t
[02:52] <jdub> that sets your preference
[02:52] <jdub> that's what it's for
[02:52] <Matt|2> yeah i understand i think
[02:52] <Matt|2> i mean, before logging in, in the period between gdm and logged in, the screen is brown
[02:52] <jdub> yes
[02:52] <alf> WW: what am I looking for in the wiki FAQ? I can't see anything relevant there
[02:53] <Matt|2> so I cannot change that?
[02:53] <jdub> you'd have to change the gdm setup
[02:53] <jdub> that's not your background
[02:54] <alf> WW: ok, found it
[02:54] <Matt|2> jdub, ok maybe I can do that
[02:54] <Matt|2> i would still prefer to revert back to the old artwork tho ;)
[02:54] <alexeijh> what's the ubuntu take on midi, just installed solfege from universe and it's not really behaving.
[02:54] <Matt|2> it seems strange that mozilla-firefox should depend on the artwork package
[02:55] <jdub> Matt|2: the default home page is in the artwork package
[02:55] <jdub> Matt|2: reverting the artwork is not the best way to do what you want to do
[02:55] <jdub> alexeijh: thoroughly untested, afaik :)
[02:55] <WW> alf: Yeah, it's a bit of a pain. The new wiki doesn't have a "table of contents" macro, so you have to scroll through the whole thing just to browse the questions.
[02:55] <Matt|2> jdub, lol
[02:55] <Matt|2> jdub, i am reading what you are saying
[02:56] <Matt|2> my opinion is that it is wrong to have the default home page in the artwork package
[02:56] <jdub> Matt|2: it's the best place for it
[02:56] <tux_> Matt|2: IMHO too
[02:56] <tux_> i mean what if you need to change firefox
[02:56] <jdub> Matt|2: note that it wouldn't have occurred to you if you hadn't had other issues elsewhere
[02:57] <Matt|2> jdub, yes, but that does not make it right
[02:57] <alexeijh> jdub: solfege? or is midi not tested at all?
[02:57] <Matt|2> jdub, i disagree with all unnecessary dependencies
[02:57] <jdub> alexeijh: midi afaik
[02:57] <jdub> Matt|2: it's not unnecessary
[02:58] <alexeijh> where would I make some noise about fixing MIDI for hoary?
[02:58] <jdub> alexeijh: -devel
[02:58] <TheMuso> alexeijh: Are you trying to use OSS MIDI or ALSA MIDI?
[03:00] <alexeijh> TheMuso: no idea. I'm using sound as it's automatically setup from the install [creative live] . I'm not even sure if this problem is solfege specific, is there any midi stuff in main I could try out?
[03:00] <TheMuso> Have you tried typing aconnect -i and aconnect -o to see what you get?
[03:01] <TheMuso> Load the module snd-seq-midi and see what happens.
[03:01] <TheMuso> I had to do that before I could find out what MIDI ports I had available on my desktop system.
[03:01] <Matt|2> damn i can't find that watermark on the net
[03:02] <jdub> hold on
[03:03] <Matt|2> found a few posts but they led to nothing
[03:03] <jdub> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~jdub/ubuntu-watermark.png
[03:04] <Matt|2> thanks v much
[03:06] <alexeijh> TheMuso: snd-seq-midi wasn't loaded.
[03:06] <TheMuso> Nor was it for me either.
[03:06] <TheMuso> Until I manually loaded it.
[03:06] <TheMuso> You could put it in /etc/modules
[03:06] <TheMuso> add it I mean.
[03:06] <Matt|2> actually, on the aterm problem, i'm not sure that it has been updated
[03:06] <Matt|2> perhaps the problem is caused by something else
[03:07] <alexeijh> TheMuso: so I've just loaded it, what am I looking for from aconnect output?
[03:07] <tux_> how do i return my UID
[03:07] <TheMuso> aconnect -i will list all the ports available to ALSA MIDI. -i will give you all your input ports.
[03:08] <stodge> Anyone installed KDE on Ubuntu? Did the install work well?
[03:08] <tux_> mine did
[03:09] <alexeijh> TheMuso: I'm a little lost with all this. Can I ask what program you are using midi with?
[03:10] <TheMuso> None specifically, but I know a fair bit about the ALSA MIDI setup and the ports.
[03:10] <TheMuso> So how does solfege need MIDI?
[03:10] <tux_> ok help with partition mounting so user can write
[03:10] <tux_> please
[03:10] <tux_> i have /dev/hda5       /shared         ext3    auto uid=1000,umask=0 0 2
[03:10] <tux_> but can't write to it as user
[03:11] <tux_> thks
[03:11] <tux_> sudo works fine..
[03:11] <stodge> Does the KDE menu get set up properly?
[03:12] <tux_> stodge i had to do mine using the menuedit
[03:12] <tux_> just opened and told it to reload
[03:12] <tux_> it rebuilt menu for me
[03:12] <stodge> Ok thanks
[03:12] <tux_> np
[03:12] <alexeijh> solfege is an aural training program [stuff like intervals and transcription] . It does things like play intervals throught midi, in the preferences you can use a device [eg. /dev/sequencer2]  or external midiplayer [eg timidity, playmidi] .
[03:13] <alexeijh> TheMuso: any chance you could have a play with it and see if you have any success?
[03:13] <Matt|2> oh god
[03:13] <Matt|2> trying to file a bug: there is no component named aterm
[03:14] <TheMuso> alexeijh: I will see what I can do. Looking atthe apt-cache information about it, it seems that it uses OSS, as it doesn't directly depend on any ALSA packages.
[03:14] <aLi> how can i mail a file from consoLe using sendmail
[03:14] <Stalione> can someone please help me with a small sound problem?  I have all the right modules loaded but the sound does not seem to work.
[03:14] <Matt|2> ah aterm is in universe
[03:14] <tux_> and on updating FireFox to 1.1PR
[03:14] <Matt|2> is it possible to file bugs for packages in universe?
[03:14] <tux_> is it out there?
[03:14] <tux_> in universe?
[03:14] <TheMuso> Stalione: Checked volume settings?
[03:15] <Matt|2> in the universe repository
[03:15] <Stalione> well i am used to setting volume via amixer, but doing so errors out.  how else can i set it?
[03:15] <tux_> Stalione, did you run alsamixer
[03:15] <TheMuso> Stalione: In what way does it error out?
[03:15] <Stalione> TheMuso, amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
[03:15] <TheMuso> What system are you running it on?
[03:15] <moyote> Was wondering if someone could help? Trying to set up wireless on another box wit a different distro but it uses the same wireless pci card as I have using ubuntu. Atheros driver. Here is the error when I modprobe ath_hal:  Version magic '2.6.3 preempt PENTIUMIII gcc-3.4' should be 2.6.3 preempt PENTIUMIII gcc-3.3"
[03:16] <Stalione> its a dell laptop with a ac97 soundcard.  I had it working jsut fine in gentoo.
[03:16] <tux_> Stalione, try running alsamixer
[03:16] <TheMuso> Stalione: Aha! I am pretty sure of the problem. Can you give me an ls -l /proc/asound
[03:16] <poyayan> finally got rid of windows again
[03:17] <tux_> poyayan, yeah!
[03:17] <Stalione> root@spduslisl04:/etc # ls -l /proc/asound
[03:17] <Stalione> total 0
[03:17] <Stalione> -r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 cards
[03:17] <Stalione> -r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 devices
[03:17] <Stalione> -r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 modules
[03:17] <Stalione> dr-xr-xr-x    2 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 oss
[03:17] <Stalione> -r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 pcm
[03:17] <Stalione> dr-xr-xr-x    2 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 seq
[03:17] <Stalione> -r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 timers
[03:17] <Stalione> -r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 version
[03:17] <Stalione> i am in audio group, however none of these seem to be owned by audio group
[03:17] <Stalione> is that an issue?
[03:17] <TheMuso> Stalione: Ok... It is not what I thought it would be.
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> proc is not devices which are used
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> they are in /dev
[03:17] <TheMuso> Stalione: Ok, run lsmod | grep snd
[03:17] <poyayan> now I need to get mp3 playback working and decide between mplayer or xine-totem
[03:18] <Stalione> root@spduslisl04:/etc # lsmod | grep snd
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_intel8x0m          19656  0
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_intel8x0           35468  0
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_ac97_codec         67844  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_pcm_oss            52968  0
[03:18] <tux_> mplayer
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_mixer_oss          19456  1 snd_pcm_oss
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_pcm                95140  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_timer              24900  1 snd_pcm
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_page_alloc         11432  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[03:18] <Stalione> gameport                4608  1 snd_intel8x0
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_mpu401_uart         7776  1 snd_intel8x0
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_rawmidi            24704  1 snd_mpu401_uart
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_seq_device          8040  1 snd_rawmidi
[03:18] <Stalione> snd                    55300  10 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[03:18] <Stalione> soundcore              10112  1 snd
[03:18] <cardador> poyayan: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:18] <tux_> TheMuso, Stalione needs to try alsamixer
[03:18] <poyayan> yeah I know I just haven't yet :)
[03:18] <tux_> in terminal
[03:18] <Stalione> tux_, I have already tried it
[03:18] <tux_> did it not run
[03:18] <Stalione> tux_, root@spduslisl04:/etc # alsamixer
[03:18] <Stalione> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[03:18] <LinuxJones> This channel needs flood protection
[03:19] <TheMuso> tux_: That is not the problem. He can't get a volume control up no matter what he uses. Looking at the contents of /proc/asound above confirms that.
[03:19] <tux_> ouchie
[03:19] <Stalione> LinuxJones, I am not flooding..sorry about the multiline input but it is justified in this case
[03:19] <Ninjas-Rezatm> what p2p software you guys use for Music?
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> Ninjas-Rezatm: GoToTheStore
[03:19] <cardador> Stalione: look at the topic ;) "Please don't paste in the channel, use http://www.pastebin.com/"
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> version 1.0
[03:20] <LinuxJones> Stalione, use pastebin.com
[03:20] <Stalione> LinuxJones, cardador: Thank you. I stand corrected.
[03:20] <TheMuso> Stalione: Ok lets take this to private message. I can help you sort it out so we can get listings if we need them.
[03:20] <SpOoKy_MyK-e> #Multimedia
[03:20] <Matt|2> Stalione, you could also use the channel #flood
[03:20] <Stalione> TheMuso, Thank you.
[03:20] <Ninjas-Rezatm> HrdwrBoB: joke?
[03:21] <poyayan> ok done with mad
[03:21] <poyayan> does mplayer appear in the gnome menu after you install it?
[03:21] <LinuxJones> night all
[03:22] <jdub> poyayan: no
[03:25] <phlaegel> jdub: it does for me
[03:27] <jdub> oh, the gui ones might
[03:27] <jdub> realise now that i installed -nogui
[03:27] <poyayan> lol
[03:27] <poyayan> is it any good?
[03:27] <poyayan> I keep getting blue screens when I use totem-xine
[03:27] <mike> I just installed KDE for Ubuntu, the fonts in KDE are so.... ugly
[03:28] <iminj> <?php
[03:28] <iminj> test
[03:28] <iminj> ?>
[03:29] <iminj> what is pastebin?
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> pastebin.com
[03:29] <iminj> What's it for?
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> pasting stuff
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> go and look
[03:30] <iminj> pasting lengthy scripts in the room?
[03:30] <iminj> in this channel?
[03:30] <mike> ALso KDE seems confused - it's rendering things as though it's running in 640x480
[03:34] <bur[n] er> awww... was gonna help mike
[03:34] <bur[n] er> too bad he left
[03:40] <poyayan> hey does mplayer use w32codecs?
[03:40] <tux_> er, yea if you want to play wmv
[03:40] <poyayan> do I need to set the path or does the mplayer packages already look for it
[03:44] <Pizbit> poyayan: It'll find it
[03:45] <poyayan> ok cool
[03:45] <poyayan> thx
[03:48] <jnc> hi all
[03:50] <jnc> i'm sick of the problems i am having with windows 98 second edition, on a laptop system (233mhz ish and 64mb ram)
[03:50] <jnc> i need the box for business work
[03:50] <jnc> i'm already a *nix user at home, but i need a box that will synchronize  with ACT! program database
[03:50] <jnc> and also synchronize with my palm pilot
[03:50] <jnc> so far, the windows 98 SE was doing both for a while, but for some unknown and entirely fustrating reason, it stopped synchronizing with my palm
[03:50] <jnc> i had the standard debian sarge install on the laptop before, and it was okay for email and synching the palm
[03:50] <jnc> but when it came to synching with ACT! it was a no-go
[03:51] <jnc> also, it was hideously slow with debian sarge
[03:51] <jnc> any ideas?
[03:51] <Pizbit> What's ACT! ?
[03:51] <jnc> "ACT!" is a contact management system
[03:51] <jnc> it allows you to make a semi-relational database of companies and the people who work for them with their contact info
[03:52] <jnc> it unifies the process of conducting sales calls
[03:52] <jnc> keeping a log of notes and records
[03:52] <jnc> for each contact
[03:52] <jnc> it also contains a phone dialer to make that part easier
[03:52] <Pizbit> Have you found any programs for linux that work with it?
[03:52] <MagicFab> Hello
[03:52] <jnc> Pizbit: no
[03:52] <MagicFab> can anyone help with a boot problem involving modprobe ?
[03:53] <jnc> there is SugarCMS which does the same function, and imports ACT! flat files
[03:53] <jnc> but it is LAMP based (linux apache mysql php)
[03:53] <jnc> there is no memory for me to be running such a fat solution on a skinny little laptop that i am given
[03:53] <jnc> only  64mb ram...
[03:53] <MagicFab> I get a message similar to "Error: FATAL while trying to insert pciehp.ko - operation not permitted" same for shpchp.ko
[03:53] <Pizbit> MagicFab: Known bug, doesn't matter
[03:54] <MagicFab> jnc> sorry for jumping in, but I've found J-pilot kind of does part of what Act! provides
[03:55] <jnc> MagicFab: ooh!
[03:55] <jnc> MagicFab: can i synch it with an email client?
[03:55] <jnc> i didn't see anything for synching with Thunderbird (which is my preferred email client)
[03:55] <Pizbit> MagicFab: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1869
[03:56] <MagicFab> jnc> I'm not sure. There is partial support from Thunderbird, I've heard Mozilla suite works with it.
[03:56] <jnc> ah
[03:56] <MagicFab> jnc> Don't know about Evolution, etc.
[03:56] <jnc> Evo and I do not get along these days
[03:56] <jnc> Evo crashes way too much
[03:56] <Pizbit> It's stable here, POS to use though
[03:56] <jnc> mm
[03:57] <jnc> think it's worth buggering around to put say, ubuntu linux on that lappy?
[03:57] <MagicFab> Pizbit> tx.
[03:57] <jnc> at this point i have equal lack of functionality from both sides, the win98se and the debian sarge linux
[03:57] <MagicFab> jnc> I use J-pilot under Mandrake linux
[03:58] <MagicFab> jnc> I think ubunto comes with Gpilot or Gnu-Pilot - can't remember. Anyone ?..
[03:58] <jnc> win98se randomly decides to stop working with Palm sync, and debian sarge linux runs like a sick sad animal on the 233mhz @ 64mb ram
[03:58] <Pizbit> Ubuntu has jpilot
[03:58] <MagicFab> jnc> I just installed Ubuntu today
[03:58] <jnc> ah
[03:58] <MagicFab> jnc> and I haven't configured its palm support
[03:59] <jnc> is Ubuntu a different OS, or is it a refinement of the GUI on top of a debian base
[03:59] <jnc> also i only have one USB port.  if i disconnect the USB-ethernet device and reconnect it, will it automatically configure the ethernet ?
[04:00] <jnc> (i know, open a term, su root, /etc/init.d/netwokring restart, ... but it is a pain and should not be necessary)
[04:01] <Pizbit> jnc: I reckon it probably would
[04:01] <jnc> really
[04:01] <jnc> what function does that?
[04:01] <MagicFab> jnc> what do you mean by "Ethernet device" ? is it WiFi ?
[04:02] <jnc> no
[04:02] <jnc> i mean a ..  LinkSys TX100LNE
[04:02] <MagicFab> jnc> you'd have to configure the network device by adding it via the configuration utility
[04:02] <jnc> you know, the usb 2.0 adapter from USB -> ethernet
[04:02] <jnc> MagicFab: but what i mean is i only have one usb port on the computer, and i swap it out to use other devices
[04:03] <jnc> would plugging in / unplugging the USB->ethernet adapter mean that it would deconfigure, and reconfigure, without user intervention?
[04:03] <jnc> win98se does that without user intervention
[04:03] <jnc> and it saves me a lot of time
[04:03] <Pizbit> I reckon it would, but I've never trued nor have what I need to try
[04:03] <jnc> i plug it in, and it autoconfigures with dhcp
[04:03] <jnc> hm
[04:04] <Pizbit> I could, of course, be wrong
[04:04] <jnc> can you install Internet Explorer 5.5 in wine
[04:04] <jnc> with ubuntu
[04:04] <Pizbit> If it works in wine, then it should work.
[04:04] <tolstoy> I reported this bug: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3069. Any advise to help figure it out?  Should I download source, compile, see if I can reproduce it?
[04:04] <Pizbit> Although why you'd want too I don't know.
[04:04] <tabmoW> jnc: why would you want to?
[04:04] <jnc> it's a pre-req
[04:04] <Pizbit> jnc: for...?
[04:04] <jnc> cannot attempt installation of ACT! in wine without first doing IE 5.5 or newer
[04:05] <holycow> hey dudes
[04:05] <holycow> wow
[04:05] <holycow> look at all the people here toniiiiight!
[04:05] <Pizbit> holycow: There's usually heaps
[04:06] <jason_> hey
[04:06] <kapput1> hi jason_
[04:06] <jason_> has anybody x.org 6.81 working yet?
[04:06] <poyayan> when I try to open a file with mplayer it pops up alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No Such file or directory
[04:06] <poyayan> anyone know how to fix that?
[04:06] <jnc> can i net-install ubuntu if i do not have a working cd burner, tonight?
[04:06] <jnc> i.e. can i boot from floppy disks
[04:07] <jnc> and have support for a usb-network device to net install
[04:08] <unitd> hi
[04:08] <unitd> when i make a selection box on desktop, my cpu load spikes
[04:08] <unitd> anyone know why?
[04:08] <jnc> i'm part of #unit-e
[04:09] <unitd> ddDdd ;p
[04:09] <holycow> would it be fair to characterize ubuntu as a subset of customized debian packages?
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB>  no
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu is <3
[04:09] <mhess> has anyone tried Expocity?
[04:10] <holycow> how much customization is there actually? seems like quite  a lot, however, ideally one would hope it would be simply an adjunct repository that replaces/upgrades certain packages no? or are is the customization much deeper?
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> well, especially given that ubuntu uses GNOME 2.8
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> and <IP_ADDRESS> as well as a whole host of other stuff
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> the core is quite different
[04:11] <Pizbit> holycow: They took a snapshot of sarge around june, then brang in selected updated packages and added customisations for the sake of usability and whatnot
[04:11] <jnc> are there problems with ubuntu and windows networking?
[04:11] <Pizbit> OR something along those lines.
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> the 'universe' packages, however are simply debian packages
[04:11] <Pizbit> jnc: Nope, samba:)
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> recompiled to suit ubuntu
[04:11] <jnc> i need to print to an epson 870 that is share from a windows XP box
[04:12] <jnc> on debian sarge, i tried configuring it in CUPS
[04:12] <jnc> but it was not authorized
[04:12] <holycow> okay interesting
[04:12] <jnc> i don't know why but it thought it required a password
[04:12] <jnc> and i could not find where to provide one
[04:12] <holycow> i'm trying to wrap my mind around the idea of not running debian proper
[04:12] <holycow> i love the updates in ubuntu, i have a hard time letting go of debian
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> holycow: I didn't have a hard time
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> you install it just once
[04:12] <holycow> afterall ians company tried the same thing
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> and you see the niceness :)
[04:12] <mdz> holycow: Ubuntu is a complete Debian-derived distribution which includes carefully chosen defaults and enhancements from the installer through the desktop and more
[04:12] <mdz> holycow: it's more than just a some customized packages
[04:13] <mdz> s/a some/some/
[04:13] <Stalione>  I have few wireless networks accessible (lucky me) but I want to only connect to mine. During my initial install I left the wireless card pick whatever was accessible (linksys network in this case).  I think becasue of that its using it as default. what config file do i edit to be able to specify my wireless network settings?
[04:13] <mdz> Stalione: computer->system configuration->networking
[04:13] <holycow> how much of the customization is being submitted back to debian proper as proposals? ubuntu has a lot of great ideas
[04:13] <MagicFab> jnc> still there ?
[04:13] <jnc> yes
[04:13] <TheMuso> mdz: How would one go about setting up wireless on the console?
[04:13] <TheMuso> To save settings.
[04:14] <mdz> jnc: stock cupsys does require a password; Ubuntu cupsys is modified to allow administration by users in the lpadmin group
[04:14] <MagicFab> jnc> I searched the forums for "network install", there was this:
[04:14] <mdz> TheMuso: /etc/network/interfaces
[04:14] <MagicFab> jnc> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2068&highlight=network+install
[04:14] <jnc> MagicFab: thanks!
[04:14] <TheMuso> mdz: Thanks.
[04:14] <Stalione> mdz, :-) That was the first thing I treid but it errors out saying "Failed to run network-admin as user root: Child terminated with 1 status"
[04:14] <kapputu> mdz: how do I keep my wireless connection from dropping ?
[04:14] <Blondeguy> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3103
[04:14] <holycow> oh i see right, a lot of ubuntu will never make it into debian proper because of the debian social contract and security and organization
[04:14] <mdz> holycow: we send all of our bug fixes upstream, other things on a case-by-case basis where they make sense
[04:14] <holycow> okay makes sense
[04:14] <mdz> Stalione: did you remember to type your login password?
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> Stalione: did you enter your password?
[04:14] <holycow> mdz, cool
[04:14] <Stalione> mdz, however if I use iwconfig, I can change the card settings
[04:15] <Stalione> mdz, yes.
[04:15] <jnc> would it be fair to characterize ubuntu as a spawn of debian?
[04:15] <mdz> holycow: right, many of the choices that we've made are distribution-wide policy changes, and so Debian would need to make a decision as a group to go in that direction
[04:15] <lifeless> haha. 'spawn of'
[04:15] <mdz> Stalione: and you can set all of the same options in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:15] <willys> Have a HP PSC-750, the printer part work fine. Can't get the scanner to work or see anyplace to set it up. On other distros I use ptal-init, doesn't seem to be there. Any ideas?
[04:15] <mdz> Stalione: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian
[04:16] <Stalione> mdz, thanks. thats what I was looking for...good old config files.
[04:16] <lifeless> I so need that on a t-shirt. Warty, as a charicature, with the caption 'spawn of debian'
[04:16] <mdz> jnc: that would be fair, yes
[04:16] <holycow> mdz, has any discussion been had around getting together with other organizations and putting together something along the lines of active directory (in the sense that ad is more than just ldap) ... gnome/ubuntu/ad would really be superbly killer
[04:16] <mdz> jnc: you could also think of it as an evolutionary step :-)
[04:17] <holycow> the reason i ask is the thought occured to me that all debian packages that have the need could be patched up to support ldap to various degrees for example
[04:17] <jnc> mdz: debian is kerry, ubuntu is edwards ?
[04:17] <holycow> and ad style permissions/environment controls, could really be killer as an idea anyway
[04:17] <mdz> holycow: I'm not intimately familiar with active directory; what does it provide beyond authentication/account management?
[04:17] <ljlane> Does ubuntu straight out-of-the-box handle floppy disk automouting?
[04:18] <ljlane> +n
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> floppy disks?
[04:18] <holycow> i'm a newb as well, but ad provides dhcp controls as well as environment and profile management which affects the users accounts
[04:18] <Pizbit> HrdwrBoB: Those things on the 5th floor of the world computer museum:)
[04:18] <jnc> not sure what ad is
[04:18] <jnc> i will find out eh?
[04:18] <holycow> i.e. one can control the start menu, and various apps that support it
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> active directory ?
[04:18] <mdz> ljlane: if by automounting, you mean automatically mounting when a disk is inserted, I don't think that can be done with floppy hardware except by continuously attempting to access the disk (there is no way to detect the presence of a floppy in the drive)
[04:18] <MagicFab> How do I make Ubuntu mount my USB key ?
[04:19] <ljlane> mdz: ah
[04:19] <Pizbit> MagicFab: Should be automatic
[04:19] <mdz> holycow: hm, so site-wide configuration
[04:19] <HrdwrBoB> ljlane: which on PC hardware is retarded
[04:19] <mdz> holycow: yes, we've talked about some similar ideas
[04:19] <MagicFab> A "usb0" disk is detected in "Computer disks" but I can't access it
[04:19] <holycow> so for example, one could theoretically add a push model to gnome/ubuntu/debian, push apps, customize users environment, control systems via schemas, etc.
[04:19] <holycow> mdz, cool, just curious
[04:19] <holycow> mdz, i would be willing to pay for such a feature
[04:19] <HrdwrBoB> holycow: many people do that now in theiur own environment
[04:19] <mdz> MagicFab: should be automatically mounted and a window opened on the desktop
[04:20] <holycow> with even a limited number of apps supported
[04:20] <jnc> MagicFab: crap.  it describes using PXE / etherboot
[04:20] <jnc> not supported with USB-ethernet
[04:20] <mdz> MagicFab: what kind of filesystem do you have on it?
[04:20] <MagicFab> mdz> FAT16
[04:20] <holycow> HrdwrBoB, i run 175 systems accross 4000 kms worth of land area *ie. coast to coast*
[04:20] <MagicFab> mdz> It's a JumpDrive Trio
[04:20] <holycow> having a unix environment that has the ad style capacities would be very helpfull as we are at the very least moving to debian
[04:21] <holycow> perhaps ubuntu depending on research :)
[04:21] <MagicFab> mdz> running on ubuntu without any upgrades (yet)
[04:21] <holycow> and considering its all open source.... we can far outstrip even microsofts wildest dreams of an integrated environment
[04:21] <mdz> MagicFab: did you upgrade from Debian or install fresh?
[04:21] <mdz> holycow: are you looking at commercial support options?
[04:22] <MagicFab> mdz> fresh install, no updates after that (haven't got the Wifi installed yet)
[04:22] <holycow> mdz, yes, but novell is out of the question vis a vis suse
[04:22] <mdz> MagicFab: assuming you installed the final 4.10 release, there are no updates except security fixes
[04:22] <holycow> it has to be debian or debian based
[04:22] <mdz> holycow: I meant support options for Debian
[04:22] <MagicFab> mdz> ok - strange it doesn't mount
[04:22] <max_> my wireless connection only works if its not encrypted...any ideas
[04:22] <holycow> yes and no, right now i'm in the research phase
[04:23] <mdz> MagicFab: there is a bug open here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1727
[04:23] <holycow> i have a coder that has experience with gnome that i hope to hire on to do some primitive customization
[04:23] <mdz> MagicFab: though in that case, it sometimes works
[04:23] <mdz> MagicFab: you should probably file a bug, and attach the information which was requested of the user in #1727
[04:24] <holycow> but greater scope discussion is really important to not reinvent the wheel so to speak
[04:24] <jgeorgeson> anyone know the plans for swsusp in hoary? (since it seems  to not be inwarty)
[04:24] <mdz> holycow: let me know if you have any questions about deploying Ubuntu in such an environment
[04:24] <MagicFab> mdz> Tx. just getting my feet wet, will do.
[04:24] <holycow> mdz cool, are you here often?
[04:24] <mdz> holycow: you might say that :->
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> hehe
[04:25] <holycow> ehe cool, support costs would be fine, redhat/microsoft type shit is out of the window however
[04:26] <willys> Is there a way to have multiple desktops in gnome?
[04:27] <mdz> holycow: we're in the process of putting together our commercial support packages; I'd be interested to hear your requirements
[04:27] <Pizbit> Multiple logins you mean?
[04:27] <djtansey> does anyone here know of a sync (one-way) utility that would let me sync my HD (or just some directories) to an external (USB) drive? only one way though (so it doesn't copy it back to my harddrive if it is on my external but does copy from my harddrive to my external)
[04:27] <Pizbit> willys: If you mean virtual desktops then yes, and you can add to the taskbar "Work Space Switcher"
[04:28] <holycow> sweet, i think with debian you guys will be able to offer many price points, and unique product in comparison to say redhat
[04:28] <mdz> djtansey: on the command line, rsync is what you want
[04:28] <willys> That's what I'm talking about.
[04:28] <jnc> willys: 'gnome-settings-daemon'
[04:29] <jnc> will change the background desktop for you with each workspace
[04:29] <djtansey> mdz: i can deal with command line. have you used rsync much? pretty easy to set up?
[04:29] <mdz> djtansey: I use it every day, and there is no setup for an operation like you described
[04:29] <mdz> djtansey: rsync -a /path/to/source /path/to/destination
[04:30] <willys> Got it thanks all!!
[04:30] <djtansey> mdz: what does -a do?
[04:30] <willys> Now if I could get my PSC-750 to scan I would be happy.
[04:30] <mdz> djtansey: copies directories recursively, preserving ownership, permissions, timestamps, etc.
[04:30] <holycow> mdz, thanks for all the info
[04:30] <Pizbit> mdz: Very much like -a for cp?
[04:30] <mdz> holycow: no problem; mail me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you're interested in our support offering
[04:31] <mdz> Pizbit: exactly
[04:31] <MagicFab> Thanks & g'night
[04:31] <Pizbit> MagicFab: Laters
[04:31] <holycow> will do, appreciate it
[04:31] <djtansey> mdz: very cool. thanks. didn't know it was that easy. looked at rsync but --backup seemed to be the best. i just saw the manpage. archive is very cool.
[04:31] <djtansey> mdz: thanks
[04:35] <jason_> does anybody have x.org 6.8.1 working yet?
[04:36] <jdub> jason_: it's coming to hoary 'soon'
[04:37] <fabbione> jason_: almost :-) working on it
[04:37] <holycow> jdub, hey :) really?
[04:37] <holycow> neat
[04:37] <holycow> are you guys helping the debian x team or whatever with the xorg implementation?
[04:38] <fabbione> holycow: i am working on X.org both for ubuntu and Debian
[04:38] <holycow> rofl
[04:38] <holycow> dude thats so cool
[04:38] <holycow> neato
[04:39] <bur[n] er> i thought debian was waiting till x.org was more mature and to find out whether the monolithic or modular approach to x.org was better
[04:39] <bur[n] er> i could be totally wrong
[04:39] <holycow> btw, a small thing, but i must congratulate you guys on your apps/computer pulldown menu reorganization
[04:40] <holycow> that totally makes sense, and funny, i had hoped to see something like that one day
[04:40] <mdz> holycow: we'll be doing even more in that direction for Hoary
[04:40] <holycow> i was very surprised to see that, nice attention to detail
[04:40] <holycow> nice work
[04:40] <jason_> I get a compile error
[04:41] <Gmail> eeeek
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> jason_: doing what?
[04:41] <jason_> did you have many problems compiling it fabbione
[04:41] <jason_> ?
[04:41] <amathis> anyone here tried to install/run quake2 from apt-get?
[04:41] <amathis> LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory
[04:41] <jason_> compiling x.org current
[04:42] <jdub> amathis: quake2 in warty universe is b0rked atm
[04:42] <amathis> darnit :/
[04:42] <amathis> any other good commercial 3d gameS?
[04:42] <Pizbit> Unreal
[04:42] <fabbione> jason_: yes some... but i fixed them
[04:43] <holycow> doom3 amathis ?
[04:43] <amathis> E: Couldn't find package doom3
[04:43] <jason_> lbx_zlib.c:541: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[04:43] <jason_> make[5] : *** [lbx_zlib.o]  Error 1
[04:43] <jason_> make[5] : Leaving directory `/home/jason/xc/lib/lbxutil/lbx_zlib'
[04:43] <jason_> make[4] : *** [lbx_zlib]  Error 2
[04:43] <jason_> \did you get an error like that?
[04:43] <holycow> lol oh you mean that? :)
[04:44] <fabbione> jason_: no because i use a pretty much patched configured config/cf
[04:44] <fabbione> jason_: that lib is built if you use x.org internal zlib, that i don't
[04:44] <amathis> Pizbit, elaborate?
[04:44] <amathis> please
[04:44] <Pizbit> amathis: You never heard of Unreal Tournament?
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> amathis: doom3, or unreal tournament 2004
[04:44] <jason_> fabbione do you have debs built yet that people could test?
[04:44] <amathis> Pizbit, yes.
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> buy either of them off the shelf
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> UT2k4 is better
[04:45] <jason_> I'd be willing to test it
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> because it has the install on the CD
[04:45] <fabbione> jason_: no, otherwise they would be up somewhere :)
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> this is a problem :)
[04:45] <amathis> I meant for free, in apt-get
[04:45] <jason_> kk
[04:45] <Pizbit> Yeah, I've only tried the demo for UT2K4 on linux, worked fine
[04:45] <amathis> enemy territory is cool too,
[04:45] <Pizbit> Wont buy the game since my graphics card sucks too much hehe
[04:45] <Foxfyre> I have seen the promised land! And it is Ubuntu!
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> I have too many games
[04:45] <Pizbit> (And I'm a poor student etc etc etc)
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> bought ut2k4 and doom
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> 3
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> Foxfyre: indeed
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> it is pretty though :)
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> I played it at night
[04:46] <Pizbit> jason_: You seen it on high quality?
[04:46] <jnc> btw, why is the ubuntu splash screen a down-shirt view of two females and a shirtless male?
[04:46] <amathis> so, no good games in apt-get?
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> jnc: because it's pretty :)
[04:46] <jason_> so yes
[04:46] <Pizbit> jnc: That got reverted for the full release
[04:46] <jason_> I have
[04:46] <jdub> jnc: that's the release candidate artwork, it was changed for the final release
[04:47] <jason_> graphics are cool but I want good gameplay
[04:47] <jnc> who ARE those people
[04:47] <jason_> the game bored me
[04:47] <jason_> I want half-life 2
[04:47] <Pizbit> jnc: Some models in S.Africa I think
[04:47] <jnc> oh
[04:47] <jnc> makes sense
[04:47] <jason_> I'd do 'em
[04:47] <jason_> except the guy
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> jason_: all of them?
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> hah
[04:47] <amathis> :P
[04:47] <jnc> jason_: you'd do the guy too
[04:47] <Foxfyre> Where does apt install programs too?
[04:47] <amathis> jason_, you know you want to.
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> Foxfyre: it installs the programs to the locations set out in each package
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> Foxfyre: but it records that and data about the package when it installs it
[04:48] <kapputu> mplayer-plugin doesn't play avi
[04:48] <kapputu> in firefox
[04:48] <jason_> is there a totem plugin?
[04:48] <Foxfyre> Like I'm trying to find where it installed thunderbird.
[04:49] <oddabe19> Foxfyre, just open a terminal and type thunderbird
[04:49] <thoreauputic> Foxfyre: type  which thunderbird  or whereis thunderbird in a terminal
[04:49] <Pizbit> kapputu: Does it play avi outside of firefox?
[04:49] <Foxfyre> no, I needed the folder, I found it in Synaptic
[04:49] <Foxfyre> thanks
[04:49] <amathis> E: Couldn't find package mplayer
[04:49] <Pizbit> Foxfyre: Applications menu -> Internet
[04:49] <amathis> holy crap
[04:49] <Pizbit> amathis: You need to use the marilat(sp) repository
[04:49] <kapputu> nope
[04:49] <kapputu> the problem could be with the avi
[04:50] <amathis> Pizbit, ?
[04:50] <Pizbit> kapputu: Got the w32codecs package?
[04:50] <kapputu> yeah
[04:50] <Pizbit> kapputu: Probably the avi then
[04:50] <Foxfyre> I'm trying to partially migrate from Windows to Linux, and I've discovered mozbackup only runs in windows. As it stores its file in *.pcv which is just a zip folder, I'm seeing if I can just overwrite files or not.
[04:50] <Pizbit> amathis: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:51] <Pizbit> Foxfyre: Is this just a backup of your profile folder?
[04:51] <Foxfyre> Not directly
[04:52] <kapputu> Pizbit: I'm sure you have never heard of Microsoft too ;-)
[04:52] <Pizbit> Hahaha
[04:52] <kapputu> the one we don't speak of !!
[04:52] <amathis> Pizbit, how do I add this to my sources?
[04:52] <Pizbit> It is true, windows is not installed on my computer, I admit it. Sadly, even though it's long gone I'm still the one of my friends who supplies all the windows help
[04:53] <kapputu> ok I'm having a problem
[04:53] <kapputu> when I tried to install gnumeric on my desktop, I got a bundle or errors about an assertion failing in eggdesktopentries.c
[04:53] <kapputu> now when I try to install totem on my laptop I get the same error
[04:53] <kapputu> any idea what the problem is
[04:54] <Pizbit> amathis: Thatnpage has all the info you need, if you want to know how to use synaptic then look at the synaptic howto linked in the questionable packages part
[04:54] <amathis> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat
[04:54] <amathis> will that work for my /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[04:55] <Pizbit> No
[04:55] <Foxfyre> Alright, back to windows to backup in another form..
[04:55] <Foxfyre> be back later
[04:55] <Pizbit> If you insist on doing it via editing the file then you'll want to add: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:56] <kapputu> hmm the problem was with the avi
[04:57] <amathis> dang
[04:57] <Pizbit> ?
[04:57] <amathis> mplayer-i386 is a broken package
[04:58] <kapputu> libartsc0 ??
[04:58] <amathis> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:58] <amathis>   mplayer-386: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.0) but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed
[04:58] <amathis>                Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but it is not going to be installed               Depends: libungif4g (>= 4.1.3) but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[04:58] <amathis> E: Broken packages
[04:58] <Pizbit> amathis: *shrug* mplayer isn't that great really, the main thing to get is w32codecs
[04:58] <kapputu> do you have an AMD ?
[04:58] <kapputu> ok
[04:58] <tseng> xine can use w32codecs also
[04:59] <kapputu> you have to add testing to the marillat source
[04:59] <kapputu> instead of unstable
[04:59] <kapputu> and it works
[04:59] <amathis> totem is a piece of sh*t
[04:59] <Pizbit> Yeah, install xine :)
[05:00] <srbaker> totem is cool.  gstreamer is troublesome, though
[05:00] <jdub> install totem-xine
[05:00] <srbaker> you want totem-xime
[05:00] <srbaker> totem-xine
[05:00] <kapputu> is there a plugin for firefox ?
[05:01] <amathis> ah
[05:01] <amathis> xine is pretty cool
[05:01] <amathis> now all I need is some good porn.
[05:01] <amathis> :)
[05:01] <Pizbit> *cough*127.0.....
[05:02] <amathis> :P
[05:02] <bitserf> hello...i'm having trouble getting my ipod working...it used to work, suddenly now i get just these messages:
[05:02] <bitserf> ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-01:1023]   GUID[000a270002762d57]
[05:02] <bitserf> ieee1394: The root node is not cycle master capable; selecting a new root node and resetting...
[05:02] <amathis> ... if anyone has any to give... *wink* *wink*
[05:02] <Pizbit> Heh, nah
[05:02] <bitserf> i reformatted my ipod, it works under windows and freebsd...what broke? :(
[05:02] <bitserf> running warty
[05:02] <Pizbit> Besides my net connection is capped to dialup speeds for another few days, went over the 10GB limit
[05:02] <Gmail> mirror.isp.net.au IS STILL rsycning it almost a week
[05:02] <amathis> ooo
[05:03] <amathis> that would be sweet.
[05:03] <Gmail> d/m it just finished asycning
[05:03] <lifeless> google for porn-get
[05:03] <Pizbit> There's pornview, but that's just an image viewer.
[05:03] <carger314> you could also get Gnaughty
[05:03] <carger314> assuming you're a GNOME user
[05:03] <Gmail> LANG!
[05:03] <Gmail> WATCH IT!
[05:04] <Pizbit> carger314: You're saying this in a channel for a distro that doesn't support kde...
[05:04] <carger314> but some people have installed KDE on ubuntu
[05:04] <amathis> I have..
[05:04] <carger314> my brother did, at least
[05:04] <amathis> it runs fine :P
[05:04] <Pizbit> Those people are dillusional.
[05:04] <amathis> though, I like fluxbox
[05:04] <Pizbit> The only kde app worth knowing is amaroK *evil bigoted grin*
[05:05] <carger314> k3b is the only kde app i like
[05:05] <carger314> its actually the only cd burner program that *works*
[05:05] <holycow> kd3 has its charms, but having tried gnome 2.8, most of them went away with the speedy gnome gui
[05:05] <holycow> kde even :) lol
[05:06] <amathis> how do I install a .deb?
[05:07] <Gmail> amathis: dpkg -i <<file>
[05:07] <thoreauputic> amathis: dpkg -i <package>
[05:07] <Gmail> amathis: dpkg -i <file>
[05:07] <Gmail> thoreauputic: I SAID it first opps caps lock
[05:07] <amathis> holy cow
[05:07] <thoreauputic> whatever....  :)
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Gmail: You win ;)
[05:08] <hikaru79_> o_o
[05:08] <Gmail> !win Gmail
[05:08] <Gmail> eeeek where is dpkg
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: @_@
[05:08] <Hikaru79> LOL
[05:08] <Hikaru79> =/
[05:09] <ionrock> hello all, I was having trouble with my keyboard. if i have it set where holding down the key repeats the character then it makes it impossible to type without having way too many characters show up
[05:09] <ionrock> it happens on other keys like the spacebar, tab, enter, etc
[05:09] <ionrock> you can see the cursor flashing very inconsistantly and quickly as well
 !win Gmail
 Congratulations, Gmail!  YEAH !
[05:19] <Pizbit^> Tehehehe "
[05:19] <Pizbit^> Bug 262173 - Firefox Icon Problem - new firefox icon appears to be giant red panda that is humping south america"
[05:20] <Pizbit^> (Explanation: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/quips.cgi )
[05:20] <thoreauputic> heheheh :)
[05:20] <Pizbit^> I did a double take when I saw that heh
[05:20] <amathis> http://pastebin.arslinux.com/384
[05:21] <amathis> lookit..
[05:21] <amathis> anyone have any clues?
[05:21] <Pizbit^> Haha, great hostname and login
[05:21] <jnc> glade being naughty?
[05:21] <amathis> Pizbit:P
[05:21] <amathis> I don't know..
[05:22] <amathis> I have everything installed.
[05:23] <WW> Hello world.
[05:23] <Pizbit^> gnaaargh, page wont load.
[05:23] <HrdwrBoB> hello
[05:23] <WW> I am getting disk accesses every 2-3 seconds.  How can I track down what is causing this?
[05:24] <WW> I have exited all the apps that I had been running.
[05:24] <Pizbit^> WW: Not trying to play an mp3 are you? Journalling might be some of it.
[05:24] <mdz> GotD0t: hald collects information about your hardware, which is used by applications in the desktop
[05:24] <WW> Pizbit^: Nope.
[05:24] <GotD0t> thanks mdz
[05:24] <mdz> GotD0t: it should never use a lot of CPU resources
[05:24] <Pizbit^> WW: You're on irc, got logging on?
[05:24] <mdz> GotD0t: if it is, something is wrong, possibly a bug in hald
[05:25] <WW> Pizbit^: OK, I started GAIM to ask the question :)
[05:25] <GotD0t> mdz doesnt seem to get above 1% of cpu usage
[05:25] <mdz> GotD0t: ah, harmless enough then
[05:25] <Pizbit^> WW: It's not a huge amount is it? What's showing you the disk access? To me it sounds perfectly normal
[05:26] <mdz> from time to time, it will wake up and check a few things
[05:26] <mdz> whether a CD has been inserted, that sort of thing
[05:26] <GotD0t> k
[05:26] <GotD0t> thanks
[05:26] <GotD0t> uses a steady 10% of mem though
[05:26] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: gkrellm shows regular disk accesses like that here too - nothing to worry about
[05:27] <Pizbit^> thoreauputic: -> ww
[05:27] <WW> Pizbit^: I can hear disk access and see the LED flicker every 2-3 seconds.  It's probably perfectly normal, but I'd like to find out.
[05:27] <thoreauputic> oops sorry
[05:27] <kapputu> ok night all
[05:27] <amathis> Pizbit^, ok, so gnaughty is fscked up.. what else?
[05:28] <mdz> GotD0t: that figure (memory usage for a process) generally lies
[05:28] <Pizbit^> amathis: Uh, no idea?
[05:28] <amathis> Pizbit^, any other progs?
[05:28] <GotD0t> mdz oh?
[05:30] <mdz> GotD0t: yes, in a modern operating system, it's rather difficult to say exactly how much memory an individual process is using
[05:30] <GotD0t> mdz why is that
[05:30] <justdave> I have an interesting situation with the ntp daemon startup on one of my machines...
[05:30] <justdave> that machine is also the nameserver for my LAN...
[05:30] <justdave> and named starts after ntpd
[05:30] <mdz> GotD0t: processes share memory, map files into memory, and other such things which affect that number in unintuitive ways
[05:30] <justdave> so it can't find ntp.ubuntulinux.org
[05:31] <GotD0t> mdz oh ok
[05:31] <justdave> proper solution to that is to stick ntp.ubuntulinux.org in the /etc/hosts file probably?
[05:33] <Pizbit^> justdave: Or you could have it run later
[05:33] <amathis> what is a good gnutella type app?
[05:34] <HiddenWolf> Hm, What do I have to do to get rid of 'You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server.' on apache?
[05:35] <mdz> justdave: hmm, no, hardcoding it would not be best
[05:36] <mdz> justdave: I think ntpdate runs too early, actually
[05:37] <justdave> all the redhat servers I've run in the past use only IP addresses in the ntpd config
[05:37] <justdave> presumably for that reason.
[05:37] <justdave> the domain name was always in a comment after the IP address in the config file
[05:38] <thellis> how do i put a wastebasket on my desktop?
[05:38] <thellis> not a link to the folder, but the applet itself?
[05:39] <thellis> neone know?
[05:39] <Pizbit> alt+f2 and run gconf-editor then go to apps/nautilus/desktop and tick the trash_icon_visible
[05:40] <aTypical> Hello, all.  Total Ubuntu n00b here.  I've just installed and don't know how I'm supposed to change/set the root password.  Is there a default that is used?
[05:40] <Pizbit> Use sudo
[05:40] <mdz> justdave: that's fine if you're dealing with a private LAN where you allocate your own IP addresses, but on the public Internet, renumbering is a fact of life
[05:40] <mdz> aTypical: this is in the FAQ, which is linked from the channel topic
[05:40] <aTypical> mdz, cool.  Thank you.
[05:41] <Pizbit> mdz: Ya think maybe the installer should user bigger text informing people about sudo?:)
[05:41] <mdz> Pizbit: do you think it should <blink>? :-)
[05:41] <Pizbit> Oh yeah, definately, and marquee!
[05:41] <MarLaw> Hi!
[05:41] <Pizbit> G'mornin
[05:41] <MarLaw> How a nice channel!
[05:42] <MarLaw> I'm Lawrence, how are all of you ?
[05:43] <WW> MarLaw: Just dandy... (but I hope you don't expect all 241 people/bots to answer... it could take a while! :)
[05:43] <MarLaw> yes, i mean, just who is listening .. like u!
[05:43] <MarLaw> Where are you from WW ?
[05:44] <MarLaw> anyway, I heard about ubuntu and I'm take a look around
[05:45] <MarLaw> right now i'm using unstable
[05:45] <MarLaw> debian
[05:45] <Pizbit> Do you use gnome?
[05:45] <WW> Pizbit, mdz, others: There was a good idea posted in the mailiing list, concerning a startup web page (or something) that comes up the first time someone logs in.  This could point to the FAQ, and also include a prominet reminder about the root password.
[05:45] <WW> prominent*
[05:45] <MarLaw> Pizbit: I'm using fluxbox but I'm sure ur not talking with me
[05:45] <mdz> WW: I think we talked about that, and the consensus was that people ignore things like that :-/
[05:45] <Pizbit> MarLaw: I was.
[05:46] <MarLaw> ah ok
[05:46] <mdz> if something pops up without being asked for, the impulse seems to be to dismiss it immediately
[05:46] <Pizbit> Yup!
[05:46] <MarLaw> i tryed .. but i don't feel good with
[05:46] <MarLaw> i prefer KDE or fluxbox
[05:46] <Pizbit> You'll learn to like gnome;)
[05:46] <WW> mdz, Pizbit:  Hmmm, true.
[05:47] <MarLaw> maybe, but with gnome i have audio problems .. maybw cause i want to use arts + alsa
[05:47] <Pizbit> Why arts? All the kde people I talk to despise it.
[05:47] <MarLaw> anyway, is possible to upgrade from unstable (one week ago) to ubuntu or i have to wait a while ?
[05:47] <aTypical> mdz, I would have read it. :-)
[05:47] <mdz> aTypical: but you're atypical
[05:48] <MarLaw> u think that ESD is better ?
[05:48] <WW> Maybe modify gdm to check for the username root, and THEN bring up the flashing marquee (with sounds, too).
[05:48] <aTypical> lol
[05:48] <jdub> WW: gdm is set to disallow root logins
[05:48] <tmartin> happy hallween
[05:48] <tmartin> anyone know a way to run 32 bit apps on 64bit ubuntu?
[05:49] <MarLaw> halloween wasn't yeasterday ?
[05:49] <mdz> tmartin: basic 32-bit compatibility libraries are provided by default
[05:49] <WW> Jdug: Yes, I know.  I meant (tongue-in-cheek) that the code could specifically check for the username "root"...
[05:49] <mdz> tmartin: but you can't currently install 32-bit packages
[05:49] <mdz> except where they are explicitly provided for the amd64 architecture
[05:49] <WW> s/jdug/jdub/
[05:49] <tmartin> mdz: so then im out in the cold basically
[05:50] <mdz> tmartin: that doesn't sound like what I said...
[05:50] <tmartin> i can compile them myself?
[05:50] <mdz> tmartin: what program do you need?
[05:50] <Pizbit> Mmkay, time to reboot:)
[05:50] <tmartin> well id like to get flash working in firefox
[05:50] <mdz> hmm, that's an unfortunate one
[05:51] <jdub> WW: the code does specifically check for the username 'root'
[05:51] <mdz> building a 32-bit firefox requires 32-bit versions of many libraries
[05:51] <jdub> ok, straw poll
[05:51] <jdub> who do you prefer?
[05:51] <jdub> eilene -> blonde
[05:51] <jdub> k-mel -> the dude
[05:51] <jdub> osana -> african girl
[05:51] <tmartin> well ive no problem installing libraries, got plenty of space
[05:51] <mdz> they are all african
[05:51] <MarLaw> during the installation of ubuntu can i choose KDE instead of GNOME ?
[05:52] <jdub> MarLaw: no, kde is not supported
[05:52] <mdz> MarLaw: no...you can install it afterward if you decide you really want it.  try GNOME first, though :-)
[05:52] <MarLaw> i tryed
[05:52] <MarLaw> is too heavy ... usually I put just fluxbox ..
[05:53] <mdz> MarLaw: you find Ubuntu's gnome to be too heavy, and your solution is KDE?  :-o
[05:53] <jdub> ... anyone?
[05:53] <jdub> seriously
[05:53] <MarLaw> no is not .. but you know what I like of the open source world ? the choise
[05:53] <jdub> there are opinions all the time
[05:54] <crimsun> jdub: the pale background :-)
[05:54] <mdz> jdub: none of them are my type
[05:54] <jdub> MarLaw: you have the choice. kde is unsupported, but available in universe.
[05:54] <jdub> mdz: well, i have logo options too, but that'd be boring for the first update. :)
[05:55] <mdz> jdub: the question should be, which of them is more "November"?
[05:55] <Pizbit> duh
[05:55] <MarLaw> that you know, there's any web site or forum that explain how to play games with linux ? Because i will realy love to erase the windows partition that my brother is using for games
[05:55] <Pizbit> I think I totally mis-understood the session-saver gui somehow;)
[05:55] <MarLaw> i don't know , something like C&C Generals
[05:56] <jdub> mdz: y'know, that's very true
[05:56] <Pizbit> Hopefully that works, removed the default session.
[05:56] <jdub> mdz: november is the month of shopping headaches, caused by the early onset of christmas music
[05:57] <Pizbit> Heh
[05:57] <jdub> seriously looking for feedback
[05:57] <jdub> okay, let's do this differently
[05:57] <Pizbit> jdub: What'd I miss?
[05:57] <jdub> i'm going to say names
[05:57] <mdz> jdub: for shopping headaches, definitely the blonde
[05:58] <jdub> and then everyone should cheer immediately afterward
[05:58] <jdub> == Which Ubuntu model do you like best? ==
[05:58] <jdub> Osana? -> the african girl
[05:58] <jdub> yay!
[05:58] <WW> Didn't mdz just say...
[05:58] <jdub> (cheer, people)
[05:59] <mdz> jdub: this is _so_ a top-down decision :-)
[05:59] <WW> Aren't there bugs to be fixed and stuff?
[05:59] <jdub> ok, so no one's cheering for osana?
[05:59] <jdub> K-MEL -> the dude
[05:59] <Pizbit> Haha, no
[06:00] <Pizbit> He's scary.
[06:00] <Pizbit> Yeah, 18 hours ago
[06:00] <jdub> no, during busy times on the channel
[06:01] <Pizbit> Ah
[06:01] <mdz> jdub: are you on DST now as well?
[06:01] <Stalione> TheMuso, Todd_MA_1975: I have fixed my problem with soundcard.  I suspected it was acpi, so added to noacpi option to grub line and bham it works like a charm
[06:02] <jdub> mdz: yeah
[06:02] <TheMuso> Stalione: Good to hear. Didn't even think of that one.
[06:02] <Pizbit> Stalione: Yeah, had that myself too
[06:02] <Stalione> I just came back to report my solution to you guys.  Cheers!
[06:02] <TheMuso> Stalione: Thanks.
[06:02] <Stalione> I guess I never considered it because I had sound working fine in other distros
[06:03] <mdz> Stalione: do you mean acpi=off?
[06:03] <mdz> or pci=noacpi?
[06:03] <Stalione> But then it just hit me...good nighta all.  Special thanks to TheMuso for his patience.  Also as a Gentoo user moving to a new distro I must say I like Ubuntu so far.
[06:03] <Stalione> mdz, pci=noacpi
[06:04] <Stalione> kernel          /vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash vga=791 pci=noacpi
[06:04] <mdz> Stalione, TheMuso: there are some fixes in the works which make that unnecessary in a number of situations, so hopefully it won't be as much of an issue in the future
[06:06] <Stalione> Also Id like to report that as a normal user when I run network-admin and put in root password, it does not work and crashed.  Even if I export display and as root run the tool it fails.  however if I login as root into gnome and then run it, it works.  I saw a lot of bugs regarding network-tool so i didn't bother filing one.
[06:06] <Stalione> Also the network-admin tool is missing a feature of allowing the user to specify which wep key to use
[06:07] <MarLaw> Good Night people
[06:07] <MarLaw> have a fun
[06:07] <magneto> anyone using amarok?
[06:07] <Pizbit> magneto: I am
[06:08] <Stalione> i had to manually modify the /etc/network/interfaces file and use  wireless_key3 mykeyinhex
[06:08] <magneto> Hey there Pizbit: funny meeting you here :)
[06:08] <Pizbit> magneto: Build from cvs and all that.
[06:08] <Pizbit> Hehe, indeed.
[06:09] <magneto> i will retry with cvs - i had just used the 1.1.1 source tarball
[06:09] <Pizbit> It was working with that version too
[06:09] <uioo> hey, on an emac, i can eject the cd drive with the eject key (by setting it up through keyboard shortcuts); is there any way I can make it insert the CD too?
[06:10] <magneto> i was looking for info on the notification panel to see if I could have added something but found nada
[06:10] <Pizbit> Nah, works straight off for me
[06:10] <Pizbit> magneto: What version of kdelibs?
[06:10] <magneto> yeah it worked fine in gentoo for me too
[06:11] <GotD0t> how would i go about getting the courier new font?
[06:11] <magneto> yup thought i had 3.3
[06:12] <magneto> 3.2.3 :( i will retry
[06:12] <mdz> Stalione: it prompts for your user password, not the root password (which is locked by default)
[06:12] <mdz> uioo: does 'eject -t' work?
[06:20] <uioo> mdz: ah, but what I need is for the eject key on my keyboard to work for both opening and closing the drive, like in OS X. I don't have enough keys to map eject -t as well as eject.
[06:21] <mdz> uioo: I was asking whether eject -t worked because I wasn't sure whether the tray-close function of the drive was controllable from software on your system
[06:21] <Stalione> mdz, thanks for clarifying that.  Usually when as a normal user i see a prompt, I assume its asking for root privs.
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> Stalione: it is asking for root priveleges
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> but you use your own password to access them
[06:22] <uioo> mdz: it does work
[06:22] <mdz> uioo: then it is certainly possible to have the key work as a toggle
[06:23] <uioo> mdz: how would I go about doing that?
[06:24] <IOM_Detox> help please
[06:24] <IOM_Detox> cant figure out what a ESSID is?????????
[06:25] <HrdwrBoB> IOM_Detox: it's the 'name' of your wireless networ
[06:25] <HrdwrBoB> k