[00:01] <nhaines> Yay Friday!
[00:02] <pleia2> friday++
[02:41]  * ianorlin got back from going grocery shopping
[04:36] <nhaines> I wish there was a good program that made flyer visual design easy.
[05:27] <elky> scribus exists, but i usually find myself using inkscape still
[05:28] <nhaines> elky: I'm going to end up using inkscape.  But I wish there was something with layouts.
[05:28] <elky> scribus :P
[05:28] <elky> i find its UI to be awful though
[05:28] <nhaines> I meant predefined templates.
[05:28] <elky> hrm i thought it had some
[05:28] <nhaines> I guess what I really want is Brøderbund Software's Print Shop Pro, but without EPS graphics.
[05:28] <elky> i may be wrong
[05:29] <elky> psp was the bomb
[05:33] <nhaines> I'll say one thing.  I understand why people make posters in Excel.
[05:35]  * nhaines is not sure if happy or annoyed that Scribus supports OS/2 Warp.
[05:46] <nhaines> elky: it does have some templates but they're all A4.
[05:46] <elky> ah
[06:34] <nhaines> I wonder if installing a mumble server would completely destroy my VPS.
[21:19] <nhaines> I am currently running '/usr/bin/play -n -c1 synth whitenoise lowpass -1 120 lowpass -1 120 lowpass -1 120 gain +14' in a terminal.  This makes me happy.


[07:38] <SuperMatt> morning all
[07:55] <MooDoo> morning
[08:08] <AlanBell> morning
[08:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Sunflower Guerrilla Gardening Day! :-D
[08:18] <BigRedS> JamesTait: you made that up.
[08:18] <MooDoo> lol
[08:18] <MooDoo> http://guerrillagardening.org/community/index.php?board=306.0 er nope :)
[08:20] <BigRedS> this is all an elaborate ploy
[08:20] <JamesTait> MooDoo, it is a real thing: http://goo.gl/aQALS
[08:20] <MooDoo> JamesTait: I know I just pasted the link into the forums explaining it :D
[08:20] <BigRedS> Ooh. Very elaborate, JamesTait has even registered that domain under someone else's name
[08:20] <BigRedS> :)
[08:21] <JamesTait> BigRedS, my aliases are many and varied. ;)
[08:23] <BigRedS> haha
[08:32] <redtape> The Lemote has arrived off ebay ! Yay !!  \o/
[08:37] <mungbean> wow , sen this nook for £30? http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5011276.htm
[08:46]  * BigRedS is skeptical
[08:46] <BigRedS> My brother had the full-blown nook and that was irritatingly laggy
[08:46] <DJones> mungbean: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/120744-nook-simple-touch-plummets-in-price-to-29-glowlight-69 <--- Saw that yesterday
[08:47] <mungbean> BigRedS: laggy for turning pages?
[08:47] <mungbean> slower than a real book?
[08:48]  * DJones huggles his kobo touch
[08:49] <BigRedS> mungbean: just the UI; it wasn't clear whether you'd interacted with what you thought you had
[08:49] <BigRedS> really irritating to use, always waiting on the device to confirm whether it was about to do what you thought you'd told it
[08:50] <mungbean> good for skinflint though?
[08:55] <BigRedS> perhaps. Personally I'd rather save and get something less annoying
[08:55] <BigRedS> I do get unduly annoyed at poor software, though
[08:56] <mungbean> anyone used the google chart js tools?
[08:56] <mungbean> i have a funky idea i don't know if its possible
[08:57] <mungbean> want to use a slider that shows a different set of data e.g. show feb results, show march results - using a slider control
[08:58] <mungbean> like this thing allows you to change view dependent on donuts http://code.google.com/apis/ajax/playground/?type=visualization#programmatic_control_changes
[09:01] <mungbean> i think i have to make a whole chart for all results and then filter feb/mar like paris/USA http://code.google.com/apis/ajax/playground/?type=visualization#dependent_controls
[09:29] <selinuxium> Morning all   o/
[09:32] <selinuxium> BigRedS, mungbean you could look to root it and stick another operating system on for that prince... http://www.rootmynooktablet.com/
[09:35] <DJones> selinuxium: They're only ebook readers though rather than tablets
[09:36] <selinuxium> DJones, http://lifehacker.com/5926798/turn-your-rooted-nook-into-the-ultimate-ereader-with-these-10-apps   there are many different sites for rooting the nooks...
[09:37] <DJones> It surprises me you can do that
[09:39] <BigRedS> selinuxium: yeah, the one thing I really liked about the nook was that you could git clone it off github :)
[09:40] <BigRedS> But, aside from a slightly less clunky browser, I'm not sure what more I'd want from my kindle
[09:40] <BigRedS> Emails are possible, but hard enough that I'd really rather not, which is perfect :)
[09:43] <DJones> It would make an even better ereader in that you could have the kindle app/kobo app/fb reader all on one device which would sync with the account
[10:02] <andylockran> hey guys
[10:03] <andylockran> I've smashed my phone :( with no insurance :(
[10:03] <andylockran> what's the deal on getting an ubuntu /android phone - any recommendations?
[10:05] <davmor2> andylockran: the best target is a nexus 4 if you are buying a new one if that is what you mean
[10:06] <BigRedS> The Sony Desire Z is waterproof. If I get a new phone, it'll be that one I think
[10:06] <BigRedS> er, it's not a desire. It's an Xperia
[10:07] <MooDoo> I'm going to see if I can re-align the dilithium crystal which will hopefully reset the space time continuum.
[10:08] <MooDoo> the best response to a support ticket i've ever seen :D
[10:08] <SuperMatt> sounds like the kind of thing I need to do to get this bloomin centos box working
[10:08] <MooDoo> lol
[10:08] <DJones> MooDoo: Hope they didn't do it with wet fingers, too much risk of a shock
[10:09] <SuperMatt> why oh why is rpm the *official* package management system?
[10:09] <BigRedS> for centos?
[10:09] <BigRedS> 'cause it's rhel without the cool bits
[10:09] <BigRedS> though rpm's actually pretty sane these days
[10:09] <SuperMatt> I believe it's the official one for free desktop
[10:09] <BigRedS> is that still a thing?
[10:09] <MooDoo> I like centos, use it myself
[10:10] <BigRedS> it used to be that all software was distributed in rpm and you had to alien it for debian, but now it's largely the other way round, which is nice
[10:11]  * SuperMatt nods
[10:13] <SuperMatt> it's not *terrible*, I just... I can't ever figure out how to use it properly
[10:13] <BigRedS> haha
[10:13] <SuperMatt> which is insane, because I'm a linux systems administrator
[10:14] <SuperMatt> centos, redhat and fedora always seem to be fighting me
[10:14] <BigRedS> yeah, just need to get used to it. I got a bit fluent in it for a while when I was interfering with Centos frequently, and we've now replaced ubuntu with it at work so I'll be getting more familiar....
[10:14] <MooDoo> oh it's easy :) lol
[10:14] <MooDoo> man rpm ;)
[10:15] <SuperMatt> yeah yeah, but it's defaults like having selinux set to enabled and iptables populated with some gumph
[10:15] <SuperMatt> aint nobody got time for that
[10:16] <MooDoo> SELINUX = DISABLED, there that's that one sorted and as for iptables, pah you don't need the firewall enableing ;)
[10:16] <SuperMatt> I know! but those are defaults!
[10:17] <BigRedS> everything has some daft defaults that need fixing
[10:17] <MooDoo> yeah i know, i turned them off last night lol
[10:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: yeah but your somewhat of a sadist I mean you pick on czajkowski so there is something not right with your head
[10:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning by the way
[10:19] <czajkowski> davmor2: you do it daily to torment me
[10:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning, I don't pick on czajkowski I like her unlike you :p
[10:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: ok that was uncalled for..../poke czajkowski
[10:20] <Myrtti> happy May day everyone
[10:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: I didn't say I was sane I was merely pointing out that MooDoo wasn't either
[10:21] <davmor2> Myrtti: Yay it's May, and happy may day to you too
[10:21] <MooDoo> I'm perfectly sane thanks very much, now where that copy of dos 3.1 i want to hack into a webserver ;)
[10:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: you fool you need OS warp for that
[10:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: damn forgot about OS/2 Warp.....
[10:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: I knew there was a number in there I just couldn't remember what it was, it's been an odd couple of weeks
[10:25] <MooDoo> davmor2: any one would think you've been busy with distro releases or something!
[11:06] <andylockran> just bought a nexus 4
[11:07] <andylockran> now, where to sell a samsung s2 with a smashed scren?
[11:07] <davmor2> andylockran: ebay
[11:08] <MooDoo> what about - http://www.mazumamobile.com/ or a site like that?
[12:21] <shrik> the "fix" to window-switching within the same app alone is the best reason to upgrade to Raring
[12:21] <mgdm> oh, nice
[12:21] <mgdm> what does that do?
[12:22] <BigRedS> I don't think I noticed that change... what should I be making use of now?
[12:26] <davmor2> mgdm: I'm assuming he means that you can you the scroll wheel on the mouse to flip between windows on  the launcher app.  ie 3 terminals open, hover over the terminal icon on the launcher and scroll will switch between them
[12:27] <BigRedS> oh
[12:39] <mgdm> ah
[12:49] <shrik> oh, also that you can right-click on the app icon in the launcher to get a list of open windows
[12:50] <shrik> and a chap on reddit just told me that you can use Alt+` to do the same
[12:50] <shrik> (that's a backtick)
[12:51] <mgdm> Yeah, that worked before, it's the same as Mac OS X
[13:24] <AlanBell> that nearly works quite well now
[13:27] <BigRedS> haha, yeah, I've just remembered how much more insane it used to be
[13:40] <Myrtti> backtick as in ` or '
[13:40] <AlanBell> key above tab
[13:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> On a UK kbd that is.
[13:41] <AlanBell> nope
[13:41] <AlanBell> key above tab, whatever
[13:41] <Myrtti> §½ that's what I get from key above tab ;-)
[13:41] <Seeker`> key above tab is a backtick
[13:41] <Seeker`> `
[13:42] <Myrtti> right, so that advice is useless for most Finnish and Swedish users then
[13:42] <Myrtti> oh well.
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> No - What AlanBell said.
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's whatever is above the tab.
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> On a Swedish kbd its that squiglly s thing.
[13:43] <directhex> the simoleans sign. the currency used in The Sims!
[13:43] <Myrtti> section sign
[13:44] <Myrtti> used in law text in Finland
[13:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> On  french layouts it's a ^ or little circle.
[13:44] <Seeker`> weeeeeeeeeeird keyboards
[13:45] <Myrtti> oy, I love mine
[13:45] <Myrtti> it makes perfect sense for me.
[13:46] <mgdm> backticks and hence the key to switch app windows are above left alt on Mac keyoards
[13:50] <Myrtti> I thought the idea of key above the tab was difficult to understand because it took me three tries to understand that
[13:50] <Myrtti> but that sentence.
[13:52] <Myrtti> I think I need more tea
[13:52] <Seeker`> tea sounds good
[13:52] <MooDoo> english breakfast
[13:53] <Seeker`> that or vanilla. Or chocolate chip.
[13:53] <Myrtti> yorkshire with whole milk
[13:53] <Seeker`> from teabags?
[13:53] <Myrtti> yup
[13:54] <MooDoo> yeah yorshire tea is my wifes fave tea
[13:54] <Seeker`> :( @ teabags
[13:54] <Seeker`> loose leaf tea++
[13:54] <MooDoo> :)
[13:54] <Myrtti> Seeker`: finding Yorkshire for Hard Water as loose leaf has never been successful when we've run out.
[13:55] <Myrtti> even if it is teabags, it's still better than many others I've tried
[13:55] <Seeker`> Myrtti: use a water filter?
[13:55] <Myrtti> Seeker`: I do. That doesn't stop the kettle going furry altogether
[13:56] <Myrtti> I've never had to descale my water kettle in Finland, here I do it atleast twice a year
[13:57] <Seeker`> :/
[13:57] <mgdm> I've never ever had to do that ever
[13:57] <mgdm> Then I've never lived for any time otuside of Scotland
[13:58] <Seeker`> Myrtti: tbh, I think that loose leaf tea in hard water areas still tastes better than stuff in teabags
[13:58] <Myrtti> but yeah, Yorkshire ♥ After I tried Yorkshire it was like an epiphany. Good tea (in comparison to the muck sold in Finland) doesn't taste absolutely horrid after letting it steep four minutes too long.
[13:59] <Seeker`> how long do you leave your teabags in the tea?
[13:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Tea is duisgusting.
[13:59] <Myrtti> "too long"
[14:00] <Myrtti> I'm sorry but I'm not a connoisseur by any stretch.  I always assumed it was more southern
[14:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> The only people I know who drink Lahga are from 'tup North but now live down here.
[14:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> So that must be a fact
[14:17] <BigRedS> Ahh
[14:17] <BigRedS> they've come south and gone soft
[14:18] <MooDoo> I'm from midlands and I use lagha to clean my loos as that's all it's good for ;)
[14:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> I saw one at the Beer festival last last weekend and he actually said to me, he'd found some beer that tasted like Lahga.
[14:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Go figure.
[14:18] <BigRedS> haha
[14:18] <MooDoo> disgusting
[14:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://twitter.com/peteDL1/status/328109981838753792
[14:20] <MooDoo> I hope you unfriendd them
[14:20] <brobostigon> lahga, i will make a note of that,
[14:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Well, no; he's quite funny really.
[14:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> he's a proper northerner and that's how he pronounces it.
[14:22] <MooDoo> is it lahga or laaaaaaaaaahga! ;)
[14:22] <brobostigon> lol
[14:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/40970.wss
[14:23] <MooDoo> could of made it cooler and said it was tron and cursor ;)
[14:24] <MooDoo> but very cool
[14:26] <davmor2> beer around the world seems to be called Larger in some fashion, apart from america there they call beer cors  they are the real criminals ;)
[14:28] <brobostigon> or in certain parts of europe, it is a pilsner, or a hefe-weizen.
[14:29] <MooDoo> http://www.beer-pages.com/images/lager-boy.jpg
[14:29] <BigRedS> so what's the background made of?
[14:32] <sara> off to italy.
[14:40] <redtape> sara, that's interesting | I've been invited to Southern Italy this summer  .. what is the cheapest flight for you ?
[14:49] <shrik> I've been to Italy a couple of times. Ryanair is almost always the cheapest, but you get what you pay for..
[15:04] <christle> ho ho ho
[15:04] <MooDoo> green giant?
[15:05] <directhex> now there's a blast from the past
[15:05] <Myrtti> *WWWHHHOOOPPP*
[15:05]  * Myrtti jumpglomps christle
[15:06] <Myrtti> AlanBell: http://www.buzzfeed.com/babymantis/20-pictures-of-chickens-wearing-sweaters-1opu
[15:07] <christle> hey myrtti! ;3
[15:08] <christle> are you in the uk atm? :)
[15:08] <Myrtti> I am, stranded in the Fens while the D goes to the office to build meerkat burrows
[15:10] <christle> i say!
[15:10] <christle> you should bring D into london and come to my movie premiere on friday!
[15:11] <Myrtti> I would but his working hours are silly
[15:11] <Myrtti> well, rather, strict office hours
[15:12] <christle> ah boo!
[15:12] <diplo> Afternoon all
[15:12] <AlanBell> Myrtti: that is quite cool, but my chickens have feathers :)
[15:13] <AlanBell> o/ christle
[15:13] <christle> hullu diplo :)
[15:13] <christle> Alanis!
[15:13]  * Seeker` wonders if christle forgot how to spell her name
[15:13] <christle> Seeker`: yup! ;)
[15:13] <diplo> Blimey, christle long time no see. Been hiding ?
[15:13] <Seeker`> Ah, It is 'el' at the end, in case you were wondering :P
[15:13] <christle> yes! you all scare me!
[15:14] <diplo> heh
[15:15] <Myrtti> I think she's hiding
[15:18] <Myrtti> AlanBell: I just thought they looked cute :-P
[15:19] <AlanBell> oh, did you see my egg skelter Myrtti?
[15:20] <AlanBell> http://www.omlet.co.uk/shop/kitchen/egg_skelters/8531/egg_skelter_red_for_medium_to_large_eggs/
[15:20] <Myrtti> that's nice!
[15:26] <Pendulum> christle: hiya!
[15:26] <christle> heey pretty
[15:29] <Pendulum> christle: you keep abandoning us, it's not nice :(
[15:30] <christle> aww i will stop at some point! :P
[15:32] <christle> abandoning you that is
[15:36] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[15:38] <SuperMatt> 'noon
[15:40] <popey> morning
[15:41] <DJones> czajkowski: Are you ok for a pm?
[15:44] <daubers> wth happened to nautilus in 13.04??
[15:45] <daubers> It looks like something I made! (That is _NOT_ a good thing!)
[15:46]  * popey points daubers at upstream GNOME
[15:46] <daubers> sigh
[15:46]  * daubers gets the blowtorch
[15:54] <czajkowski> DJones: sure
[16:02] <SuperMatt> woo, skype is now fixed for raring64
[16:02] <bigcalm> Oh? I can undo the fix I jimmied in?
[16:03] <bigcalm> popey: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/8698327851/in/photostream
[16:04] <mgdm> :D
[16:04] <mgdm> I have space invader ones
[16:04] <bigcalm> I wanted decent space invader ones in silver. But the only ones I liked are sold out
[16:06] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: I guess
[16:06] <SuperMatt> it's working for me now
[16:06] <SuperMatt> ooh, and they've fixed the thing where when it's pinned, if you click the button again it loads a new instance
[16:07] <bigcalm> I didn't have that trouble in 12.10
[16:07] <bigcalm> Wish I could remember what it was I did to make skype work on 13.04
[16:07] <SuperMatt> did you follow a think on webupd8?
[16:07] <SuperMatt> or did you downgrade a package?
[16:07] <bigcalm> I followed a thing
[16:08] <SuperMatt> well done
[16:08] <bigcalm> I should google
[16:08] <SuperMatt> I tend not to follow things unless I make sure I know how to undo the thing
[16:09] <sara> redtape, i got invited  today and they paid the ticket today so about 1000 for a return from glasgow
[16:10] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: can you look through your history
[16:10] <SuperMatt> history | grep skype
[16:17] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: it was by adding a 2 line export and run bash script in /usr/local/bin. Just removed it, updated, upgraded and happy skype once more
[16:17] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: thanks for the notification
[16:20] <bigcalm> 40 mins to quittin' time. 130 mins to beerin' time (LUG)
[16:20] <SuperMatt> you're welcome
[16:21] <SuperMatt> quittin time is in 10 minutes, then I'm going on a run
[16:21] <SuperMatt> round regents park
[16:21] <popey> quitting time here is in ~5.5 hours
[16:21] <bigcalm> I know it was only out on Thursday, but I'm surprised that there haven't been more updates for 13.04
[16:21] <SuperMatt> I'm waiting for the go-ahead to switch to 13.10 :D
[16:21] <bigcalm> popey: you can never quit the thinking machine.
[16:22] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: I'm guessing that you're in favour of the rolling release then :)
[16:22] <SuperMatt> of course
[16:22] <popey> most of the company are on a sprint
[16:22] <popey> I'd expect more updates next week
[16:22] <popey> also, on thursdays ☻
[16:22] <bigcalm> popey: that is a very good point
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> which is tomorrow
[16:23] <SuperMatt> I can't wait until the cutting edge gets upgraded automatically
[16:23] <bigcalm> popey: why Thursday in particular?
[16:23] <SuperMatt> (if that's happening)
[16:23] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: not a fan of stability?
[16:23] <SuperMatt> I am
[16:23] <SuperMatt> I just don't have many machines that I'd call "production"
[16:24] <bigcalm> Daviey: this you? https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/943487_655051764524280_436371696_n.jpg
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> doesn't look like him?
[16:24] <SuperMatt> my laptop normally goes first, then my work desktop, then my home desktop, followed by my servers
[16:24] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: the middle one, not the dog :P
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: oh!
[16:25] <bigcalm> I have to have my work station always working. My laptop gets the latest and greatest. Which has been my down fall on occasion when I've needed a unbroken laptop
[16:26] <SuperMatt> the rate at which I convert is quite sporadic
[16:26] <SuperMatt> basically, I'll convert everything else once I've found there's something on my laptop that I like soooo much
[16:26] <popey> bigcalm: thursday is not friday
[16:27] <popey> best not to release stuf on friday
[16:27] <popey> ☻
[16:27] <SuperMatt> indeed
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> popey: also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
[16:27] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/raring-changes/2013-April/thread.html
[16:27] <popey> quite a few updates
[16:27] <bigcalm> popey: I quite agree, the kernel team needs to agree as well some day
[16:27] <SuperMatt> our rules for go-live here are "never after 3.30, and never on a friday"
[16:29] <Daviey> bigcalm: not me!
[16:29] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfQwXEqYaI
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: omg
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: why are my ears bleeding?
[16:32] <bigcalm> :)
[21:54] <mungbean> !ping
[21:55] <Laney> pang
[21:55] <mungbean> 5 hrs no talky must er a record
[22:11] <popey> shhh
[22:12] <daftykins> \o/
[22:12] <daftykins> hey all o/
[22:12]  * mgdm listens to the Wurzels doing Common People
[22:12] <daftykins> :o
[22:13] <popey> hi daftykins
[22:13] <daftykins> that sir, sounds like genius
[22:13] <daftykins> popey: i ordered myself a Nexus 4 via the ship2me.co.uk couriers that bring things over from Southampton, in the end :)
[22:13] <popey> heh
[22:13] <daftykins> £12.50 for the service
[22:13] <popey> i have another one on order, should arrive today
[22:13] <mgdm> daftykins: it most certainly is
[22:13] <popey> (I still hate them)
[22:13] <mgdm> daftykins: on Spotify, if you have that
[22:14] <daftykins> however, a friendly chap at the HMRC informed me that i can actually demand under UK law that they refund me the tax, as my order counted as an 'indirect export' outside of the EC \o/
[22:14] <daftykins> so i've told my latest Google Support pal 'Brianna' to pass this information on to the UK tax wing at Google, as one as lowly as a customer is not permitted to converse with them direct
[22:14] <daftykins> and i expect my fob-off soon
[22:14] <daftykins> ^_^
[22:15] <daftykins> popey: what're you doing with them then? :D
[22:15] <popey> installing ubuntu on it
[22:16] <Laney> dropping it
[22:16] <daftykins> i'm quite liking mine, super fast :)
[22:16] <daftykins> i got one of these Ringke Fusion cases for it
[22:16] <popey> wakka wakka
[22:16] <daftykins> nice plastic around the side with a clear back so you can still see the pretty pattern on the rear :>
[22:16] <popey> reminds me, wlil need to buy a cover for it
[22:17] <popey> different colour one so I can tell the difference between them
[22:17] <Laney> orange?
[22:17] <popey> wise!
[22:17] <Laney> #DD4814
[22:17] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/SAMRICK-Nexus-Google-Protective-Purple/dp/B00AF7JBKS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1367446668&sr=8-4&keywords=nexus+4+cover
[22:18] <popey> aubergine!
[22:18] <Laney> COMMUNITY
[22:18] <popey> hehe http://www.amazon.co.uk/iGloo-Silicone-Cover-Nexus-Mobile/dp/B00AZZN97Q/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1367446705&sr=1-5&keywords=nexus+4+cover+orange
[22:19] <popey> 10 of them!
[22:19] <daftykins> how the hell did i not see this the other day 0o
[22:19] <daftykins> heh :D
[22:20] <daftykins> you know what always makes me laugh?
[22:20] <daftykins> peeps selling screen protectors for products with gorilla glass
[22:20] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/iTALKonline-ORANGE-Bumper-Protective-Armour/dp/B00BSGNLLA/ref=sr_1_10?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1367446808&sr=1-10&keywords=nexus+4+cover+orange
[22:20] <popey> why is that odd?
[22:21] <popey> gorilla glass still scratches badly
[22:21] <popey> http://phandroid.com/2013/04/11/nexus-4-rant/  haha
[22:22] <daftykins> i've taken keys to my HP Touchpad
[22:22] <daftykins> 'twas fine
[22:23] <daftykins> but then i think i just care for my gear better than most :D
[22:23] <daftykins> mines got those new feet ^
[22:25] <mungbean> my tp got smashed
[22:25] <daftykins> aww :(
[22:25] <mungbean> by a falling bowl
[22:26] <mungbean> but i replaced thew screen \p/
[22:26] <daftykins> :D
[22:26] <mungbean> then it died from overdrawn battery
[22:27] <mungbean> but i replaced the battery \p/ (harder than screen)
[22:28] <mungbean> heh my nephew puts hour long minecraft vids hes made on youtube. i dont have clue wats happning
[22:29] <daftykins> :)
[22:29] <daftykins> i don't understand how anyone has the patience for minecraft
[22:29] <daftykins> though, i'm not a creative person
[22:29] <daftykins> plus i've lost interest with gaming entirely :D
[22:29] <mungbean> if i was15 i would
[22:29] <daftykins> =]
[22:30] <daftykins> true
[22:30] <mungbean> no time to be intrested now
[22:30] <daftykins> it's funny when you see what the youngsters of today misspend their youth with
[22:30] <mungbean> feeding babies and sleeping is all i do now#
[22:31] <mungbean> keeps them off street corners
[22:31] <daftykins> adoption?
[22:32] <mungbean> if i had time id make more airfix models
[22:32] <mungbean> irl is better
[22:33] <daftykins> =]
[22:35] <mungbean> bought new airbrush 6 weeks ago, haven't had spare second to try it yet
[22:45] <daftykins> nice :)


[09:33] <smartboyhw> Guys, is there any way to view the Components of an app when I'm running it?
[09:34] <smartboyhw> i.e. if I click on that button, it shows me the name and such
[09:34] <smartboyhw> In QtCreator that is
[09:36] <smartboyhw> Oops, wrong channel, sorry Release Team
[09:36] <smartboyhw> #ubuntu-touch is right under #ubuntu-release
[22:05] <Laney> Do we have some kind of etiquette on altering the hints of other rt members? Or JFDI?
[22:05] <Laney> W: [Sun Jul  7 21:56:55 2013] - Overriding force-badtest[firefox] = ('23.0~b2+build1-0ubuntu1', 'laney', 'None') with ('22.0~b6+build1-0ubuntu1', 'cjwatson', 'None')
[22:07] <cjwatson> I'd say JFDI when it's obvious like that
[22:07] <cjwatson> (and, heh, that's sort of a misfeature ...)
[22:08] <Laney> yeah...
[22:09] <Laney> I was also thinking that versionless force-*test would be nice but perhaps having to update it all the time will lead to social pressure to get the things fixed
[22:27]  * micahg wonders if queuebot is awake, python-warlock hit binary NEW without a peep
[22:30] <stgraber> micahg: just kicked it, it probably didn't like an answer from LP and the queue monitoring thread got stuck


[12:16] <BenC> mjg59: depends on where you are talking about
[12:16] <mjg59> BenC: Random driver patches
[12:16] <mjg59> Like the aforementioned quiesce-ipw2200
[12:16] <BenC> mjg59: most everything got forward ported, except all of sound, and anything that didn't patch cleanly
[12:16] <mjg59> BenC: Have you got a list of the ones that didn't apply?
[12:17] <BenC> I already took care of the ones I know about
[12:17] <mjg59> Ok
[12:17] <BenC> ipw2200 probably just got clobbered because I updated it and again, forgot about cherry-picking the quiesce patch
[12:17] <mjg59> Ok
[12:20] <BenC> cherry picked now
[12:21] <mjg59> Ta
[12:27] <mjg59> Hm.
[12:27] <mjg59> Shouldn't the kernelteam wiki page suggest using git:// rather than rsync:// ?
[12:40] <mjg59> BenC: Hm. There's a patch missing from the sdhci driver as well.
[12:40] <mjg59> (I was actually going to ask you to drop it, but still :) )
[04:48] <zul> BenC: ping
[04:49] <zul> http://xenbits.xensource.com/ext/linux-2.6.tip-xen.hg merc tree based off of 2.6.18 lets see how crazy i can be
[04:52] <BenC> please don't do a 2.6.18 xen...then ppl will start complaining "if we can have a 2.6.18 xen, why can't we have a normal kernel that's 2.6.18"
[04:52] <BenC> :)
[04:53] <zul> nah...im going to try to extract 2.6.17
[04:54] <BenC> there should be a way to get all the xen patches that aren't in linux-2.6 HEAD, and cherry-pick them to 2.6.17.y branch
[04:54] <zul> thats what im trying to find out
[04:55] <BenC> #git on OFTC might be helpful on how to do that
[04:58] <zul> okie dokie
[04:59] <zul> im going to go play some unreal while this downloads
[05:09] <zul> BenC: hmm...interesting
[05:09] <zul> VERSION = 2
[05:09] <zul> PATCHLEVEL = 6
[05:09] <zul> SUBLEVEL = 17
[05:09] <zul> EXTRAVERSION =
[05:09] <zul> NAME=Crazed Snow-Weasel
[05:23] <zul> ah ok...i see what redhat is doing..they are hardcoding mach-xen in their include files
[05:30] <scottevil> hello, I have a question I'd like to ask that people in #ubuntu don't seem to know
[05:31] <scottevil> I have hardware RAID, need to load a custom built module with the livecd to install ubuntu
[05:31] <scottevil> have vmware set up, built kernel module, but it is built with <IP_ADDRESS>-ubuntu1
[05:31] <scottevil> where livecd (even latest daily) is 2.6.15-26
[05:32] <scottevil> and says struct kernel_module does not agree, so it will not load
[05:32] <scottevil> how do I get ahold of 2.6.15-26 kernel to build the proprietary module?
[05:32] <crimsun> you need linux-headers-2.6.15-26-$arch
[05:33] <scottevil> I am not completely new to ubuntu, but havent tried to do anything difficult yet
[05:33] <scottevil> can I apt-get that somehow?
[05:34] <crimsun> yes
[05:34] <scottevil> sudo apt-get linux-headers-2.6.15-26-386?
[05:34] <crimsun> apt-get install
[05:35] <scottevil> sudo apt-get install ....
[05:35] <scottevil> ?
[05:35] <crimsun> linux-headers-2.6.15-26-386  if you want $arch to be 386
[05:35] <crimsun> really, this is a #ubuntu question.
[05:35] <scottevil> I know I know, but I've been lurking there for a couple of days
[05:36] <scottevil> probably more of an ubuntuforums.org question actually :)
[05:37] <scottevil> one other question is, why linux-headers and not kernel-source?  I do have to build a kernel to build the module...
[05:38] <crimsun> because you compile external kernel modules against linux-headers, not linux-source
[05:39] <scottevil> ahh, interesting.  I wrote a kernel module as part of my job and didnt know that (very limited time to develop)
[05:40] <scottevil> will try that, thanks.
[05:40] <crimsun> np
[03:34] <zul> blah
[04:02] <jbailey> zul: hmm?
[04:03] <zul> i dont wanna work today
[04:06] <zul> hey jeff btw
[04:06] <ajmitch> hello jeff
[04:09] <jbailey> zul: Nor do I, but largely because on Thursday I'm not working for a short period of time
[04:09] <jbailey> And it's always hard to keep from going into vacation mode early. =)
[04:09] <jbailey> Hi andrew
[04:11] <zul> jbailey: yeah but im not suppose to be at work today and the wifey is freaking out again
[04:11] <jbailey> About you working?
[04:11] <jbailey> Offer to stop. ;)
[04:12] <zul> yeah well i have tomorrow off and taking thursday off
[04:22] <mjg59> Hm.
[04:22] <mjg59> We don't seem to have many acpi patches.
[04:23] <mjg59> Should probably be rectified...
[04:26] <jbailey> mjg59: What, your Ph.D leaving you too much spare time again? ;)
[04:26] <mjg59> Haha
[04:27] <mjg59> Actually, today, yes
[07:11] <Keybuk> so, if one steals the console from X, it gets upset
[07:35] <jbailey> Keybuk: More usplash playing? =)
[07:35] <jbailey> Keybuk: I noticed that until yesterday, I had to hit alt-f1 to get X to start.
[07:35] <jbailey> whatever did you guys do to the fonts, btw? =)
[07:35] <jbailey> And NM seems to work better now. =)
[07:35] <mjg59> jbailey: I fixed that
[07:36] <mjg59> Which fonts?
[07:36] <jbailey> In the little usplash box.
[07:36] <mjg59> usplash-with-svgalib uses a different font to usplash-with-bogl
[07:36] <jbailey> They now remind me of a hercules graphics card.
[07:36] <jbailey> Ah, I hadn't noticed that it'd changed from bogl.
[07:36] <mjg59> That's how it can run in different resolutions now
[07:36] <jbailey> Handy!
[07:37] <jbailey> Is svgalib actually cross platofrm, or is this just a hack for the most popular arches?
[07:38] <Keybuk> mjg59: interestingly, the svgalib version gets the palette badly wrong forme
[07:40] <mjg59> Keybuk: Interesting. How?
[07:40] <mjg59> jbailey: Should actually work on anything with a PC BIOS
[07:40] <mjg59> But pragmatically speaking, we have working framebuffers on everything other than x86 and amd64, so.
[07:41] <Keybuk> mjg59: 0 thru 8 are all black
[07:41] <mjg59> Keybuk: Oh. I get that as well. I assumed that the testcard was supposed to be broken like that.
[07:41] <Keybuk> mjg59: no
[07:41] <mjg59> Gosh, you're right
[07:41] <mjg59> Heh
[07:42] <mjg59> Ok, either the palette setting code or the de-RLEing code is wrong
[07:42] <Keybuk> the test card is a standard vga palette with 0 and 7 reversed
[07:42] <Keybuk> (ie, grey and black)
[07:42] <mjg59> Should be easy enough to fix
[07:46] <mjg59> The RLE stuff looks good, so I suspect it's the palette setting
[07:54] <mjg59> Keybuk: Ok, the colours are getting to vga_setpalette without any problems
[07:54] <mjg59> Ah. Then they're supposed to vanish into vesa.
[07:56] <mjg59> Hm. Could just set up a non-palettised screenmode, that would probably fix it :)
[08:23] <zul> interesting: http://kernel.macosforge.org/
[08:24] <mjg59> No drivers included
[08:24] <zul> ah that sucks
[09:46] <mjg59> BenC: I think we want newer acpi
[09:47] <crimsun> (and a newer alsa)
[09:48] <BenC> I grabbed aoa from latest alsa
[09:48] <BenC> latest also is filled with IRQF_* changes, so I need to take some time to grab the whole thing
[09:48] <crimsun> BenC: ah, ok, thanks.
[09:48] <BenC> mjg59: is there an easy way to get the latest acpi stuff?
[09:48] <mjg59> BenC: Nope
[09:48] <mjg59> I'm poking it now
[09:49] <fabbione> git diff
[09:49] <fabbione> -CONFIG_ACPI=y
[09:50] <fabbione> +# CONFIG_ACPI is not set
[09:50] <fabbione> whops..
[09:50] <BenC> hehe
[10:57] <mjg59> BenC: What's the issue with making 0386 SMP?
[10:57] <mjg59> -386
[10:57] <mjg59> Damned fingers
[11:05] <crimsun> BenC: RE: bug 40737: current ubuntu-2.6 git has the patch, which I submitted on 24 July, but the patch wasn't merged into ubuntu-2.6 until 01 Aug, so unless the reporter is using one of your daily kernels, the report for edgy (and dapper) is not current