[06:07] <tritium> Dreamer3, sure.  Let me know how the 4 combinations work out
[06:07] <Dreamer3> tritium: 4 combinations?
[06:07] <naruto> czesc
[06:08] <naruto> mam problem
[06:08] <naruto> z Ubuntu
[06:08] <tritium> Dreamer3, yes, with noapic and nolapic
[06:08] <snybole> hello _again_ :) I'm having trouble again now, but with X. I wanted to change the resolution, and I did as I always did in slack, but now it wont start. I used the xorgconfig. But it seems as if the mouse is causing the problem, what is the default input for the mouse in the config?
[06:09] <tritium> Dreamer3, presumably you've already tried 2 of them (both absent, and with only noapic)
[06:09] <Dreamer3> tritium: i only see a need to try them both now thoguh :) them if it works loosen up
[06:09] <tritium> Dreamer3, I'd also try nolapic by itself
[06:10] <benjanet> in how many hours more will be hoary out ?
[06:10] <Dreamer3> tritium: ah
[06:10] <naruto> hi i have problem... i instaled Ubuntu (5.04 RE) and i cant log on.. i have only brown screen and nothing more.. :|
[06:10] <thoreauputic> benjanet: Friday the 8th
[06:10] <Dreamer3> naruto: did gdm start?
[06:11] <pressureman> i'm a first time caller (first time with ubuntu anyway)... nice work guys
[06:11] <snybole> Could someone check what the default inpit for the mouse is in the X config?
[06:11] <naruto> Dreamer3 i dont konow XD im nwe
[06:11] <naruto> new
[06:11] <thoreauputic> snybole: depends on the mouse type
[06:12] <pressureman> i have a question about groups in ubuntu - why does the installer create a group of the same name as my user, and add me to that group?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> pressureman: it's the "Debian Way" (tm)
[06:12] <snybole> First I had normal mouse port, and a friend said that it was /dev/input/mouse, so I changed to usb, but it still doesn't work
[06:12] <pressureman> doesn't it make more sense to simply add my user to the 'users' group, as would be the case on most other *nixes?
[06:12] <snybole> What would you recomend? USB or normal mouse port?
[06:12] <moquist> pressureman: several Linuxes have been doing this for years.
[06:12] <pressureman> debian? really? i used to use debian and never noticed it do that
[06:12] <thoreauputic> pressureman: not necessarily :)
[06:13] <thoreauputic> pressureman: debian does the same thing, yes
[06:13] <pressureman> so every new user will get a group of the same name created too?
[06:13] <thoreauputic> pressureman: yes
[06:14] <snybole> thoreauputic: you know the answer to my problem? :)
[06:14] <pressureman> so, (sorry for a swathe of dumb questions), essentially each new user has no groups in common until the admin puts them in the 'users' group?
[06:14] <thoreauputic> snybole: USB mice normally should "just work" when you plug them in
[06:15] <thoreauputic> snybole: mine does anyway
[06:15] <thoreauputic> in fact I can have two mice at once, one ps2 one USB
[06:15] <snybole> But the xorg config says that it cant open the device
[06:16] <pressureman> btw, i am running a fujitsu siemens amilo M 1425 notebook, and i was blown away by how everything "just works" with ubuntu
[06:16] <snybole> btw, what protocl do you recomend that I use in the config?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> snybole: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:16] <snybole> alright, I'll do that, thanks thoreauputic
[06:16] <thoreauputic> or xserver-xfree86 on warty
[06:16] <pressureman> right down to 1280x800 on my widescreen LCD (ATI Mobility Radeon 9700)
[06:17] <thoreauputic> snybole: if you edited the file, it won't work though
[06:17] <thoreauputic> snybole: read the top of the x config file
[06:17] <snybole> will do
[06:17] <snybole> rea* not edit :)
[06:17] <snybole> read
[06:18] <snowblink> hi, has anyone installed ubuntu on vmware?
[06:18] <thoreauputic> snybole: you might need to move/back it up
[06:18] <pressureman> can anybody offer a rough approximation of the amount of time it would take to do a debian install, and bring it up to the level of polishedness of ubuntu?
[06:18] <thoreauputic> snowblink: I'm sure someone has ;-)
[06:18] <Dreamer3> naruto: please in channel only
[06:19] <thoreauputic> pressureman: heheh - depends who's doing it I guess ;-)
[06:19] <naruto>  hm..  hi i have problem... i instaled Ubuntu (5.04 RE) and i cant log on..  i have only brown screen and nothing more.. :| and i must restart
[06:19] <naruto> ;p
[06:19] <pressureman> (being that i'm a die hard debian admin, and would still use it for console only servers, but i'm liking ubuntu more and more on my laptop)
[06:19] <Dreamer3> naruto: at what point do you get the brown screen, what has happened first
[06:19] <tritium> pressureman, I don't think one individual could do it alone.  There's a whole team of ubuntu developers that have done essentially what your question asks.
[06:20] <naruto> i write  user and pass and i pusch log on
[06:20] <thoreauputic> pressureman: there's really very little difference between Debian and Ubuntu - you should be right at home
[06:20] <naruto> and nothing
[06:20] <naruto> only startmusic
[06:20] <pressureman> i guess what i'm really asking is, is there any reason why in some situations debian might be better suited to a desktop?
[06:21] <topyli> pressureman: it would take an hour, give or take. intall the woody base install, edit sources.list, upgrade to hoary ;)
[06:21] <Dreamer3> pressureman: you want really old stuff that always works?
[06:21] <thoreauputic> pressureman: low resource machines maybe
[06:21] <pressureman> no, i used debian sarge on about 30 servers in russia
[06:21] <naruto> :>
[06:21] <snowblink> thoreauputic, having problems with SCSI
[06:22] <pressureman> i'm just trying to decide whether to stick with debian (at least on desktops) since it's what i know and use, or venture out into the unknown with ubuntu
[06:22] <Dreamer3> naruto: www.rafb.net/paste, paste the ouput of lspci there please
[06:22] <bwlang> I see unknown symbol cpufreq_register_driver when i try to modprobe acpi_cpufreq or powernow_k6 - anybody know if it's possible to use cpufreq with an amd K7 processor ?
[06:23] <pressureman> (admittedly, installing ubuntu is a much nicer thought than installing fedora core)
[06:23] <thoreauputic> pressureman: I ahve both - it's not unknown with a debian background
[06:23] <topyli> pressureman: the only thing that comes to mind for debian on the desktop is the long release cycle -> long support, stable boxen for years without bothering users with any changes in their lives
[06:23] <Dreamer3> pressureman: ubuntu is hardly the unknown
[06:23] <Dreamer3> pressureman: it's simply debian with a nicer gnome and better maintained main
[06:23] <pressureman> Dreamer3: it is for me - i've only really discovered it!
[06:23] <Dreamer3> pressureman: (understatement)
[06:24] <Roey> I'm getting this when I boot my kernel:  "PANIC: Early Exception rip 10 error ffffffff80114072 cr2 0".  Anyone seen this message beore?
[06:24] <Dreamer3> it's debian
[06:24] <Dreamer3> Roey: no
[06:24] <Dreamer3> Roey: but you could try googling for it
[06:24] <naruto>  ouput of lspci  what this?
[06:24] <Roey> Dreamer3:  Idid
[06:24] <thoreauputic> pressureman: the differences are minimal: if you know debian, you will have no troubles
[06:24] <pressureman> apt is the most brilliant package system i've ever seen, so any distro that uses it wins my approval
[06:24] <Dreamer3> naruto: it's a command
[06:24] <Roey> Dreamer3:  I find a message about it saying daniels has fixed the asserts with it for Ubuntu.  I asked Dan Stone and he said he doesn't know about the error, he just fixed something unrelated.
[06:24] <topyli> pressureman: yeah, go for lindows ;)
[06:24] <Dreamer3> naruto: run it and paste the output at that url i gave you and give us a link
[06:25] <Dreamer3> naruto: you might have to hit ctrl-alt-f2 to get to a console...
[06:25] <pressureman> i've used slackware for about the last 7 years, and am getting a little sick and tired of 'configure; make; make install'
[06:25] <Dreamer3> Roey: no idea
[06:25] <Dreamer3> pressureman: that's the best way dude!
[06:25] <thoreauputic> pressureman: over 15 000 packages in main/universe/multiverse
[06:25] <pressureman> not on 30 servers it ain't
[06:25] <Dreamer3> pressureman: and linux from scratch, that's the holy grail of "i have no life and nothing better to do"
[06:26] <pdoms> hi guys, how can I get my mounted ntfs drive in 'my computer' as an icon?
[06:26] <pressureman> hahah, no thanks. i'm learning german because of that reason
[06:26] <Dreamer3> pressureman: well, at that point you package stuff obviously :)
[06:26] <netventure> hi
[06:26] <netventure> can someone help me configure a mail server?
[06:27] <pressureman> one day, when i get back home (new zealand), i'll rebuild my trusty old slackware box with debian sarge. in the meantime, i think i'll continue with ubuntu on my laptop
[06:27] <Dreamer3> netventure: that's a pretty tall order
[06:27] <pdoms> hi guys, how can I get my mounted ntfs drive in 'my computer' as an icon? Or is that impossible? :s:s
[06:27] <Dreamer3> pdoms: open up "computer" and drag it out?
[06:27] <topyli> netventure: if you get my p3nfs and irda working :)
[06:27] <pdoms> hmm, okey
[06:28] <pressureman> thoreauputic: i think you've pretty much summed it up than ubuntu is debian with nicer gnome and more polished - which suits me perfectly
[06:28] <naruto> ok i will back
[06:28] <pdoms> Is it btw possible to write on ntfs drives with basic ubuntu install?
[06:28] <netventure> dreamer3: :) Well, if not the exact commands/config files, can you tell me what are the steps
[06:28] <topyli> netventure: do you have a specific problem with it?
[06:28] <thoreauputic> pressureman: and a less abrasive community....
[06:28] <Dreamer3> netventure: nope, outside my knowledge domain
[06:28] <pressureman> err, yeah, things get a little political in the debian camp sometimes
[06:28] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: huh, debian has a community?
[06:29] <netventure> dreamer3: thanks anyways
[06:29] <netventure> topyli: Actually, I've never done it before
[06:29] <pressureman> now if i get just get linux for my ipaq...
[06:30] <pdoms> how's it possible to make a shortcut to a dir?
[06:30] <netventure> I can do the domain poining and all, but don't know where to go after that (sendmail or qmail or anythingelse)
[06:30] <topyli> netventure: just saying your request is a bit generic, no offense
[06:30] <bur[n] er> pressureman: put on the friendly thing...
[06:30] <netventure> topyli: I understand, but this is theonly place I know... on IRC
[06:31] <topyli> netventure: not sendmail, that's an easy choice. postfix, exim are easy to set up
[06:31] <pressureman> unfortunately it's not supported on my particular hardware yet
[06:31] <netventure> hmmm... how secure are postfix or exim?
[06:32] <seb-vdn> Hi all !
[06:32] <netventure> topyli: you sere something about getting p3nfs and irda to work...
[06:33] <seb-vdn> I have a capturing device,like pinnacle dc10+ ,how to work with ubuntu 5.04 ?
[06:33] <pdoms> Is writing on ntfs included on ubuntu 5.04?
[06:33] <pressureman> i look forward to the final release of hoary, and must say, my windows xp installation's days are numbered ;-)
[06:34] <thoreauputic> pdoms: if you mean an icon, just make a launcher with a command like `nautilus /path/to/dir
[06:34] <MFen> has anyone installed the experimental bugzilla? i can't figure out how to enable full-text search
[06:34] <i3dmaster> I got a weird problem but could not find out why... I loaded ubuntu hoary to a IBM NetVista desktop, everything runs fine if I don't lock my screen using xscreenserver. But everyday when I lock my screen and back home, on the other day I come, the box is lways hung, cannot do anything without reboot.
[06:34] <topyli> netventure: that's just something i've been working on for a couple of months that's all :)
[06:34] <i3dmaster> Where should I look at to identify the problem?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> pdoms: writing to ntfs is experimental
[06:34] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: sounds like video issue
[06:34] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: perhaps
[06:34] <pdoms> thoreauputic, but not included?
[06:35] <netventure> topyli: er... what is p3nfs?
[06:35] <pdoms> thoreauputic, thanks for icon
[06:35] <i3dmaster> Dreamer3: how to confirm that then?
[06:35] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: or faulty memory/processor, etc... but if you're sure the system is solid the problem is likely somewhere with video/3d
[06:35] <thoreauputic> pdoms: writing to ntfs is still not a Good Idea (tm)
[06:35] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: turn off xscreen saver and see if it keeps running
[06:35] <topyli> netventure: a daemon for mounting a nokia communicator and other psion/symbian devices on unixen
[06:36] <topyli> netventure: i can already mount the damn phone read-only, i'm working on write support :)
[06:36] <thoreauputic> pdoms: google ` captive ntfs ` for a possible way (I haven't tried it )
[06:36] <netventure> topyli: hmmm... I'm new to the cellphone world.... I've got to connect a nokia 6610 via IrDA to a WinXP PC
[06:37] <robzulah> whenever I start synaptec it gives me an error: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10_Warty Warthog_-Preview powerpc Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20powerpc%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_restricted_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file of directory) - Anyone know why?
[06:37] <netventure> does the communicator use IrDA or is that via data-cable
[06:37] <pdoms> thoreauputic, i was just gonna ask you about it, if it's safe :)
[06:37] <pressureman> is anybody runnint gkismet under ubuntu?
[06:37] <saik0> gahhh I cant get my network printer working. can someone help a noob at such things.
[06:37] <topyli> netventure: yeah, it sucks. nokia is supposed to be a big open source company but their phones only support windows
[06:37] <i3dmaster> Dreamer3: Ya, I don't see any problem when I am using it. But just after I lock the screen. And it did not happen if I unlock it in a short time cause I tested it before. Seems like it only happens when the lock screen status has already been a while, like overnight
[06:38] <topyli> netventure: both
[06:38] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: right
[06:38] <thoreauputic> pdoms: I don't know: a lot of people think it's risky ( anecdotal )
[06:38] <i3dmaster> Dreamer3: while the thing is I cannot leave it without lock it
[06:38] <mjr> topyli, and they want to screw us over by instituting EU software patents
[06:38] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: what hardware?
[06:38] <topyli> mjr: sure. they would benefit
[06:38] <seb-vdn> I have a capturing device,like pinnacle dc10+ ,how to work with ubuntu 5.04 ? i'm newbie !
[06:38] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: set "blank screen only" and give it a few days
[06:38] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: if that works the problem is surely your video/3d
[06:38] <mjr> just noting another reason not to support them
[06:39] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: what hardware?
[06:39] <netventure> topyli: what's your IrDA receiver device/chipset?
[06:39] <seb-vdn> I have a capturing device,a pinnacle dc10+ ,how to work with ubuntu 5.04 ?
[06:39] <topyli> mjr: yes. still waiting for others to make a device to match the communicator though :(
[06:39] <saik0> As far as the GUI goes, I can see 2 jobs in the 'Printers' window, but when I open up the printer there are'nt any there, and nothing is printing =\
[06:39] <i3dmaster> P4 2.8, 512DDR, 40G, VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01), Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01), Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82801BD PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 81)
[06:39] <airox> seb-vdn: Google.
[06:40] <topyli> netventure: a tekram serial dongle
[06:40] <TwEeT> Can anyone tell me what I need to download to get the libXft.so.1 library (im trying to use skype)
[06:40] <i3dmaster> those are the main hardware
[06:40] <topyli> netventure: but that's another issue. i'd prefer to use the cable
[06:40] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: well, do what i said (blank screen) and see if that solves it
[06:40] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: then if so you can start looking at  your graphics situation
[06:40] <i3dmaster> I wonder where I can look at
[06:40] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: if that doesn't solve it it could be something else entirely, so i'd change it and come back to it later
[06:40] <netventure> reading LinuxIR
[06:41] <netventure> HOWTOs...
[06:41] <i3dmaster> Dreamer3: ok, I will try to put it to black screen or maybe I will just log out today and see what happens
[06:41] <topyli> netventure: i know it by heart. the dongle is hooked to the windows box these days, i get p3nfs read-only via cable which is half-good
[06:42] <agd`> hi guys i was wondering if someone could take me through adding new repositorys, ive just done a new install of ubuntu, completely lost on getting it done :S
[06:42] <blueyed> Anyone an idea how to get two different users access /dev/dsp (sound)? I cannot believe that this does not work by design (because only the first user can start esd)..
[06:42] <robzulah> I'm trying to install KDE, but I when I click on its package it tells me a bunch of others have to be installed as well.  So I go ahead and tell it to mark those, then another window pops up telling me all of those other packages have unresolved dependencies and wont be installed
[06:42] <blueyed> agd`, -> www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:42] <kent> Isn't there some package that builds statistics of apache-usage? I have forgotten the name of that package. Do some one know it?
[06:42] <Roey> I'm getting this when I boot my kernel:  "PANIC: Early Exception rip 10 error ffffffff80114072 cr2 0".  Anyone seen this message beore?
[06:42] <Roey> hmm
[06:42] <xMaximex> does ubuntu enable ssh connection by default ?
[06:42] <Roey> sorry bout the repeat..
[06:43] <thoreauputic> xMaximex: sudo apt-get install ssh
[06:43] <topyli> xMaximex: the server is not installed
[06:43] <xMaximex> shit
[06:43] <xMaximex> i cant install the server now
[06:43] <agd`> blueyed ive been there but still no luck :S a bit hapless
[06:44] <xMaximex> im connected to my windows machien via RPD and i'd like to restart to linux (automaticly) and connect to ssh
[06:44] <xMaximex> :(
[06:44] <blueyed> agd`, you can add them through synapsis or by editing /etc/apt/sourceslist.. no big deal really.
[06:44] <TwEeT> Can anyone tell me what I need to download to get the libXft.so.1 library (im trying to use skype)
[06:44] <blueyed> Anyone an idea how to get two different users access /dev/dsp (sound)? I cannot believe that this does not work by design (because only the first user can start esd)..
[06:45] <topyli> netventure: anyway, if you use ubuntu, you have postfix already installed, and working on localhost. setting up a full-fledged server takes half an hour if you know nothing to begin with
[06:46] <saik0> OK, so i got my ubuntu box to recognize my roomate's printer on his mac using cups and gimp-print. But I cant print to it...HUZZAH
[06:47] <CarlK> there isn't a tftp server in hoary main restricted
[06:47] <CarlK> hmm, ignor that for now...
[06:47] <thoreauputic> saik0: it might need the cups daemon to listen on port 631
[06:48] <louiej> anyone know what day hoary will be out?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> louiej: Friday
[06:48] <saik0> thoreauputic, which machine is 'it' I setup mine to and the other has no firewall running (scary)
[06:48] <langela> hello
[06:48] <louiej> thoreauputic, thx
[06:49] <thoreauputic> saik0: hmm... I remeber reading an ESR article about cups...
[06:49] <thoreauputic> saik0: it was a nightmare apparently
[06:50] <thoreauputic> saik0: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html
[06:50] <thoreauputic> saik0: he says how he got it to work
[06:52] <lamont> topyli: and 2 minutes if you know what to change where...
[06:53] <topyli> lamont: yes. 10 seconds if you have old config files floating around on backups :)
[06:54] <lamont> warty install: edit /etc/postfix/master.cf; hoary install: fix main.cf.  upgrade? probably both
[06:54] <lamont> topyli: yeah
[06:54] <agd`> ok it just let me open sources.list to edit it, but wont let me save it, when i cp it, it says
[06:54] <agd`> ~ $ sudo cp /ect/apt/sources.list
[06:54] <agd`> cp: missing destination file
[06:55] <Roey> hi
[06:55] <Bazzi> agd` you dont save files with cp, lol.
[06:55] <michael> hello.
[06:55] <Roey> is gcc 3.4.3 going to go into Ubuntu before the Release?
[06:55] <agd`> i didnt say i tried saving with cp
[06:55] <agd`> i tried saving with nano
[06:55] <agd`> it says permission denied
[06:55] <Bazzi> well, cp is to copy files, logically you have to specify a name for the duplicate
[06:55] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`:  ctrl-X in nano
[06:55] <Bazzi> sudo vim :)
[06:56] <agd`> oh lol i thought cp was for changing file permissions lol
[06:56] <Bazzi> lol
[06:56] <Bazzi> chmod is for permission
[06:56] <CarlK> apt-get install tftpd-hpa sets up /etc/default/tftpd-hpa with RUN_DAEMON="no" - why wouldn't it default to "yes" ?
[06:56] <agd`> ye but thor if i x out of nano will it append the file for me?
[06:56] <Bazzi> bla nano
[06:57] <Bazzi> use vim, the one and only!
[06:57] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: it will ask for confirmation and save it if you say yes
[06:57] <agd`> i tried thor, still says permission denied when i say yes to save and confirm the save
[06:58] <Bazzi> agd` did u use sudo to start nano?
[06:58] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: um... sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:58] <TwEeT> Has anyone got skype to work with hoary?
[06:58] <spanglesontoast> not sure
[06:58] <spanglesontoast> mite install it in a mo
[06:58] <agd`> yes thorn i did
[06:58] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: you can't write to that file without root privileges, hence sudo
[06:59] <blueyed> agd`, it's all here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/temp/#extrarepositories
[06:59] <blueyed> in /temp is the working version for the hoary release.
[06:59] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: it's impossible it would deny you write access with sudo
[07:00] <agd`> weird thor i open it without sudo and it shows file content
[07:00] <agd`> i try to sudo nano to open the file
[07:00] <agd`> and it brings up blank and says new file down by the menu curses
[07:00] <agd`> :S
[07:00] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: you've somehow moved the file
[07:01] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: is all I can think
[07:01] <bwlang> anybody know how i can find out if my cpu supports cpufreq ?
[07:01] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: if it's there, is it correctly named?
[07:01] <agd`> yes it is
[07:01] <agd`> only diff is without sudo
[07:01] <agd`> the content shows
[07:01] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: not possible
[07:01] <agd`> and when i use sudo the file content doesnt show
[07:01] <keats_> hi. i can't play mp3s using rhinthmbox after installing gstreamer 0.8-mad
[07:02] <keats_> any ideas ?
[07:02] <thor|coffeebreak> keats_: check the volumes/mute switches in alsamixer
[07:02] <birger> After dist-upgrading to hoary, gdesklets was removed and when I reinstall gdesklets, none of them work. Is this common?
[07:03] <TwEeT> Hello?
[07:03] <spanglesontoast> hmmm still can't get skype to work
[07:03] <keats_> thor|coffeebreak, it's not that i can't hear the mp3 cause i can head other sounds linke gnome sounds, but i just can't listen to mp3s
[07:04] <jefis> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[07:04] <jefis> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[07:04] <jefis> See `config.log' for more details.
[07:04] <jefis> root@localhost:/usr/src/xchat-2.4.3 # vi config.log
[07:04] <jefis> wtf?
[07:04] <chefkoch-2002> kann ich in die sources.list auch normale debian server nehmen
[07:04] <jefis> any ideas?
[07:04] <chefkoch-2002> ich will xmms-mpg123 installieren, aber der findet das nicht
[07:05] <thoreauputic> jefis: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:05] <keats_> so other ideas ?
[07:05] <Bazzi> chefkoch-2002 google ubuntu marillat repository
[07:07] <jefis> thoreauputic: nop
[07:07] <jefis> doesn't work ether
[07:07] <keats_> and the sound device is regonised because as i said earlier i can hear to sounds gnome makes
[07:07] <neighborlee> is the release still slated for april 8th...I can't imagine that..I just had evolution crrash ( or was it glibc or gnome or or or ) and it took the desktop with it...except it seems ( so far ?) good ole trusty xchat LOL ???
[07:08] <thoreauputic> jefis: you installed build-essential and still get the cpp error?
[07:08] <jefis> thoreauputic: tell me some comands how to download all the main sources
[07:08] <whiskers> hah...does everyone see the PdRipImage program
[07:08] <jefis> nop, now cpp works
[07:08] <jefis> checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.3... no
[07:08] <jefis> *** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
[07:08] <jefis> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[07:08] <jefis> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed.
[07:08] <jefis> configure: error: "Cannot find glib"
[07:08] <jefis> :D
[07:08] <topyli> jefis: that proves it. C++ is insane ;)
[07:08] <whiskers> they are now ripping images from pdf documents
[07:08] <whiskers> ha ha
[07:08] <thoreauputic> jefis: umm - which sources? What do you mean?
[07:09] <jefis> all includes, etc
[07:09] <jefis> libs bla bla bla and so on
[07:09] <saik0> thoreauputic, if it's this hard to print out an application I deserver to get the job sole based on the ability to mail it in
[07:09] <thoreauputic> saik0: :)
[07:09] <birger> anyone else with gdesklets troubles in hoary?
[07:09] <dockane> what does that mean : "Note that since 2.6.10, there is also the ondemand governor in the kernel, which replaces any userspace daemon for cpu scaling and works very well."
[07:09] <cowbud> birger: define troubles..
[07:09] <dockane> what is governor ?
[07:09] <spanglesontoast> ah skype needs a lib installed
[07:10] <neighborlee> birger, hoary is still trouble some PERIOD ;-)
[07:10] <thoreauputic> jefis: missing dev packages?
[07:10] <jefis> yee
[07:10] <neighborlee> birger, I love it but its a biotch atm  ;-)
[07:10] <Loki_VA> hi ppl
[07:11] <neighborlee> jefis, you just need glibc-dev or whatever its called most likely...
[07:11] <birger> All right, I'll wait a few weeks and see
[07:11] <thoreauputic> jefis: why are you compiling xchat? Is that what you are trying to compile?
[07:11] <saik0> thoreauputic, it was detected automatically...very nice, but it's useless I get Ready: Unable to lookup host 'jpcook-computer.local' - Unknown host. Is there a conf file somewhere so I can try chaning it to the ip?
[07:11] <jefis> thoreauputic: i changed source a little bit >:)
[07:11] <Loki_VA> what package system does ubuntu use or is it all from source?
[07:11] <whiskers> pdfripimage...there is no limit to what can be ripped
[07:12] <thoreauputic> saik0: /etc/hosts
[07:12] <thoreauputic> saik0: put the IP in there
[07:13] <thoreauputic> saik0: like                     <IP_ADDRESS> alterego    for example
[07:13] <whiskers> and it looks like they also ripped the logitech webcam codec....ha  ha
[07:13] <thoreauputic> where alterego is the machine
[07:13] <whiskers> this is funny
[07:14] <naruto> Dreamer3
[07:14] <TwEeT> Has anyone got skype to work with hoary?
[07:14] <TwEeT> I tried the .deb package
[07:14] <jefis> with ubuntu 1024x768@85hz,  with windows my monitor works 1024x768@100hz , how to make more hz at ubuntu?
[07:14] <naruto> naruto@kozieglowy:~$startx
[07:14] <naruto> Fata serwer terror:
[07:14] <naruto> Serwer is already active for display 0 If this serwer is no longer running remove /ymp/.XO-lock and start again
[07:14] <naruto> Please consult the The X.Org Fundation at http://wiki.x.org for help
[07:14] <naruto> Xlib:connection to :0.0 refused by server
[07:14] <TwEeT> but it won't launch
[07:14] <naruto> Xlib:Invalid MIT-Magic-cookie-1     giving up
[07:14] <naruto> Xinit:unable to connect to x server
[07:14] <naruto> Xinit:no such process (error 3): server error
[07:14] <dabi> i really need help.. i was updating my hoarty and when updating x screensaver the pc keep going slow and slow until freezed.. i shut rebootted and now got many errors.. what should i do?
[07:14] <naruto> Fatal server error*
[07:14] <whiskers> TwEeT, how would we know...you have to have someones' ip
[07:15] <saik0> thoreauputic, that seems to have resolved it, looks like the 2 machines are talking now. lets see if it prints =)
[07:15] <thoreauputic> jefis: sudo apt-get build-dep xchat
[07:15] <whiteknight> everyone , i was just thinking when hoary is officially released this channel is going to go crazy!
[07:15] <jefis> what's dep?
[07:15] <jefis> oh
[07:15] <jefis> :)
[07:15] <jefis> i see
[07:15] <dockane> now i am gettin closer to my speedstep problem......
[07:16] <whiskers> skype doesn't even show up in synaptic here
[07:16] <naruto> i cant run X
[07:16] <naruto> ;/
[07:16] <thoreauputic> whiskers: no it's commercial/non-free
[07:16] <whiskers> thoreauputic, oh...i see
[07:16] <dockane> cat   /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq  gives back 650000 : thats far too much
 What do you mean?
[07:17] <RichardC> i hope this isnt stupid, but what makes ubuntu linux for me?
[07:17] <jefis> thoreauputic: so : sudo apt-get build-dep kopete kopete <-- will get all depend?ies for kopete?
[07:17] <whiteknight> RichardC, just try it and see how it feels
[07:18] <thoreauputic> jefis: for compiling, yes - but only if the package you are compiling confoems to the ecpected dependencies
[07:18] <thoreauputic> *conforms
[07:18] <RichardC> what is the difference between installing from live cd and from the install cd?
[07:19] <jefis> i see :)
[07:19] <whiskers> RichardC, the live CD is for using partimage to clone non-active partitions
 What do you mean?
[07:19] <thoreauputic> jefis: for instance, if you have the latest and greatest source code, the deps might be too new
[07:20] <whiskers> TwEeT, with regard to what
[07:20] <RichardC> can i install like normal from the live cd though?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> RichardC: one is possible and the other isn't?
 Skype
[07:20] <whiskers> RichardC, no the live CD is already a system...by itself...you use it to clone partitions
[07:20] <TwEeT> "TwEeT, how would we know...you have to have someones' ip"
[07:21] <RichardC> ok
[07:21] <whiskers> RichardC, does not require installation
[07:21] <RichardC> i know it doesnt require an installation
[07:21] <RichardC> but most live cds ive used also allow you to install the distro from them
[07:21] <whiskers> TwEeT, well i tested gnome-meeting sometime back on gentoo and i had to have one person's ip
[07:21] <TwEeT> No
[07:21] <RichardC> like the gentoo, morphix, and knoppix live cds
[07:21] <TwEeT> I'm trying to launch skype
[07:21] <whiskers> TwEeT, it worked but there is no way to know everyones ip
[07:22] <thoreauputic> whiskers: you can use a central IP exchange point ( gnome-meeting has a registry of some kind)
[07:22] <TwEeT> Has anyone successfully installed skype on hoary?
[07:23] <whiskers> thoreauputic, well most people are trying to protect their ip with peerguardian2 and other similar programs
[07:23] <osity> hey ....has anyone raided ubuntu?  Mirroring?
[07:24] <RichardC> also, do torrents on every ubuntu mirror use the same tracker?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> whiskers: your IP appears to be <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:24] <whiskers> thoreauputic, yes you are correct...sad that i am not able to protect it
[07:25] <thoreauputic> whiskers: :)
[07:25] <bur[n] er> anyone have the gnomebaker.deb for hoary?  The site seems to be down
[07:26] <TwEeT> I wish someone has installed skype on hoary
[07:26] <jefis> TwEeT: www.skype.com and download binary
[07:26] <TwEeT> The .deb?
[07:26] <dockane> TwEeT, tried it but it didnt work, some library was missing
[07:26] <jefis> binary
[07:27] <whiskers> bur[n] er, yes i have it but how to transfer it to you
[07:27] <TwEeT> There is an ubuntu deb, and yes, i had the same problem as dockane with the qt compiled
[07:27] <thoreauputic> there's a static binary I believe
[07:27] <jefis> yes there is
[07:27] <jefis> with q3.3
[07:27] <flapjackboy> hello everyone
[07:27] <jefis> qt
[07:27] <TwEeT> what is the command for it to automatically download dependencies when i install it?
[07:27] <flapjackboy> can anyone give me a hand with an ubuntu install problem?
[07:28] <saik0> thoreauputic, HUZZAH! It works! Silly Macs and their silly host names =\
[07:28] <whiskers> flapjackboy, what is the problem
[07:28] <bur[n] er> whiskers: got a webserver you can post it to? :)
[07:28] <thoreauputic> saik0: \o/
[07:28] <bur[n] er> i can give you ftp access too
[07:28] <thoreauputic> saik0: yay!
[07:28] <bur[n] er> i don't think my dcc is all that happy for some reason
[07:28] <whiskers> bur[n] er, no i don't have a webserver....i could fire up a p2p app or something
[07:28] <dockane> bur[n] er, bin paste i sometimes usefull
[07:28] <dockane> *is
[07:28] <whiskers> bur[n] er, or it may be possible to use xdcc but i don't know how
[07:29] <flapjackboy> thanks :) im trying to install Ubuntu, and i select ath0 (my wifi card) to use during install. the installer wont see my router though (cant even see the ESSID), and DHCP it doesnt like. I configged it manually but it just doesnt see the router
[07:29] <bur[n] er> no worries bout xdcc whiskers
[07:29] <dockane> whiskers, drop file on a nickname ?
[07:29] <bur[n] er> i'll give you ftp
[07:29] <whiskers> dockane, just drag it to his name
[07:29] <thoreauputic> rofl @ thor_is_the_cool
[07:29] <flapjackboy> as a result the installer gets stuck on "testing network repository"
[07:29] <dockane> whiskers, yes
[07:29] <whiskers> dockane, ok i will try
[07:29] <TwEeT> what is the command for it to automatically download dependencies when i install it?
[07:30] <bur[n] er> whiskers: PM with my ssh info :)
[07:30] <dockane> whiskers, do you use x chat ?
[07:30] <whiskers> ok bur[n] er the file is waiting for you
[07:30] <bur[n] er> i don' tknow how to accept in irssi ;)
[07:30] <whiskers> bur[n] er, i guess you use xdcc to receive it
[07:30] <bur[n] er> one sec
[07:31] <dockane> TwEeT, how do you try to install skype ?
[07:31] <bur[n] er> [11:31]  DCC no file offered by whiskers
 dpkg -i skype*.deb
[07:31] <whiskers> bur[n] er, strange i see an xchat file send list here
[07:31] <topyli> heh. i was a good boy and set up gaim so my msn/yahoo/aim buddies can keep in touch. end result: all i do is irc with the lousiest irc client around with all my IM buddies offline all the time :)
[07:31] <bur[n] er> whiskers: it's not going right?
[07:32] <whiskers> bur[n] er, beats me...i could just go get a p2p app
[07:32] <jefis> hey
[07:32] <jefis> any good p2p apps?
 I also tried the compiled way and i was missing libxft.so.1
[07:32] <jefis> i remmeber in arklinux one good but can't remmeber name...
[07:32] <topyli> bur[n] er, whiskers: i can put it on the web
[07:32] <burner> whiskers: try to send to me again?  (btw, you have port forwarding set up to xchat?)
[07:32] <whiskers> bur[n] er, when you use xchat to file receive you don't get anything
[07:33] <burner> ?
[07:33] <burner> xchat has worked to dcc for me before
[07:33] <whiskers> bur[n] er, it is still waiting...i have not aborted it
[07:33] <burner> try to this nick :)
[07:33] <burner> irssi wasn't gettin it for some reason
[07:33] <burner> well crap
[07:34] <zenrox> burner,  are you bhind a router
[07:34] <jefis> yeeeeee, i will compile xchat :)
[07:34] <UbuntuFool> hello folks, just a quickie, when is the Ubuntu 5.04 scheduled for final release?
[07:34] <burner> i am
[07:34] <burner> but i can still accept
[07:34] <burner> it depends on the sender to map ports for dcc
[07:35] <burner> not hte receiver
[07:35] <zenrox> burner,
[07:35] <whiskers> bur[n] er, well i just don't know how to use this stuff
[07:35] <burner> no worries whiskers
[07:35] <dockane> TwEeT, here is  libXft.so.1 missing too but i took the binaries
[07:35] <burner> whiskers: email?
[07:35] <burner> :)
[07:35] <burner> it's small i'm sure
[07:35] <keats_> what i don't get is the fact that you can't use hell know what application when the fucking repository is broken
[07:35] <whiskers> bur[n] er, ok i can try email...do you have an email address
[07:35] <burner> i'll put it up somewhere for download then too
[07:35] <keats_> so broken i can't even install ssh
[07:35] <burner> whiskers: i msged you with my email address
[07:36] <whiskers> bur[n] er, ok i will try evolution and see if it works
[07:36] <burner> whiskers: good luck, thanks :)
[07:36] <dockane> TwEeT, btw where did you get the source from ? thought skype is closed source
[07:37] <UbuntuFool> source is available for skype on the website
[07:37] <UbuntuFool> i think
[07:38] <whiskers> bur[n] er, i just don't know how to use any of this stuff...maybe you will get the email or maybe not...i don't know
[07:38] <whiskers> bur[n] er, but i did send it
[07:38] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:39] <bur[n] er> do you have an email account you set up in evolution?
[07:39] <x_or> I am trying to install mplayer, but I keep getting errors with synaptic:  mplayer-k6 Depends:  libartsc0 but is not going to be installed.  How do I rectify this?
[07:39] <whiskers> bur[n] er, yes...
[07:39] <UbuntuFool> sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:40] <whiskers> bur[n] er, let me know if you get email from george
[07:40] <jefis> when i build xchat looks like crap, in others dist it looks more better :(
[07:41] <jefis> look's like gnome theme ...
[07:41] <shining_> hi
[07:41] <thoreauputic> jefis: mine looks just fine here
[07:42] <jefis> thoreauputic: you using gnome or kde?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> jefis: gnome
[07:42] <jefis> i use kde3.4
[07:42] <jefis> :/
[07:42] <shining_> so there is no way supported by ubuntu to copy an audio cd ?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> jefis: well, it's a gtk2 app AFAIK
[07:42] <jefis> but in others distributions it look reall good, with fine theme
[07:42] <jefis> heh
[07:43] <thoreauputic> you need the gtk-qt  theme engine, or whatever it's called
[07:43] <whiskers> burner, did you get any email yet
[07:44] <jefis> downloading :)
[07:45] <jefis> thoreauputic: i need to rebuild xchat i think, do i have to use specific flags?
[07:45] <dockane> what is the command to rename a file (command line) ?
[07:45] <nick58b> dockane: mv
[07:45] <thoreauputic> jefis: I have no idea, sorry
 Ya but the binary needs that lib
[07:46] <thoreauputic> saik0: did I stop being cool ?  *grin*
[07:46] <burner> sure did whiskers
[07:46] <thoreauputic> haha
[07:47] <bur[n] er> thanks whiskers
[07:47] <whiskers> bur[n] er, ok..well i don't know how you get the attachment...but the file is there for you
[07:47] <dockane> TwEeT, i got the same lib but with a 2. i am now trying to link it. maybe it works :P
 let me know if it does
[07:47] <thor_still_cool> thoreauputic, so on the subject of cross-desktop styling =) is there a way to make my QT apps (all 1 of them) look more 'human'
[07:48] <thoreauputic> thor_still_cool: I don't know - making KDE look human would be a challenge ;-)
[07:48] <thoreauputic> j/k
[07:48] <bur[n] er> http://burner.ath.cx/gnomebaker_0.3-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
[07:48] <bur[n] er> there's the file for anyone else interested... if topyli is
[07:49] <apokryphos> There's a kubuntu human-theme wallpaper out, but kubuntu decided to go down with KDE colour-wise, rather than Ubuntu.
[07:49] <topyli> bur[n] er: oh i have it. i was offering to put it on the web myself :)
[07:49] <dockane> TwEeT, nope
[07:50] <Dreamer3> i'm tring to get getmail4 working but it is saying: ImportError:  No module named getmailcore
[07:50] <Dreamer3> any ideas?
[07:50] <Dreamer3> getmail3 has become unusable for me
[07:50] <thor_still_cool> thoreauputic, honestly tho, is there an equivelent to gtk-qt for styling QT apps in gnome
[07:50] <Amaranth> thor_still_cool: No.
[07:50] <solidape> i can't seem to get lirc to control vlc... anyone have any ideas?
[07:51] <naruto> Dreamer3
[07:51] <naruto> look
[07:51] <naruto> naruto@kozieglowy:~$startx
[07:51] <naruto> Fata serwer terror:
[07:51] <naruto> Serwer is already active for display 0 If this serwer is no longer running remove /ymp/.XO-lock and start again
[07:51] <naruto> Please consult the The X.Org Fundation at http://wiki.x.org for help
[07:51] <naruto> Xlib:connection to :0.0 refused by server
[07:51] <naruto> Xlib:Invalid MIT-Magic-cookie-1     giving up
[07:51] <naruto> Xinit:unable to connect to x server
[07:51] <naruto> Xinit:no such process (error 3): server error
[07:51] <thoreauputic> thor_still_cool: I really don't know - maybe a KDE / Qt person could tell you
[07:51] <Dreamer3> naruto: please do not flood the channel
[07:51] <Dreamer3> naruto: www.pastebin.com
[07:51] <thoreauputic> naruto: bad boy!
[07:51] <naruto> ;/
[07:51] <Dreamer3> naruto: that's because X is already running on your other display
[07:51] <apokryphos> thor_still_cool: now, why would you want to do that. ;-)
[07:51] <shining_> naruto: whats a Serwer btw ?
[07:51] <Dreamer3> naruto: why did i ask you to go to a console again, i forgot?
[07:51] <TwEeT> I'm sad
[07:52] <TwEeT> all i want is my skype to work
[07:52] <enricod> hello... i burned both hoary and warty, but when i boot with those cds inside my computer just ignores them and boots from the HDD... which is strange since knoppix, from where i'm typing now, works
[07:52] <naruto> i cant log on in X
[07:52] <thor_still_cool> Amaranth, sheesh, I even got my wine apps looking somewhat nice. Well then k3b will forever look ugly until gnomebaker matures a bit
[07:52] <Dreamer3> naruto: killall -9 esd at the prompt
[07:52] <perce> how can i install .deb from console?
[07:52] <Dreamer3> naruto: `killall -9 esd` at the prompt
[07:52] <Amaranth> how did you get your wine apps looking nice?
[07:52] <naruto> i pusch log on..and nothing..startmusic and brown screen
[07:52] <naruto> ah..
[07:52] <naruto> ;/
[07:52] <shining_> enricod: you burn them like knoppix .
[07:52] <shining_> ?
[07:53] <Amaranth> thor_still_cool: Usually people that care about making QT and GTK look the same will use the GTK-QT engine or will use a theme that has GTK and QT versions.
[07:53] <enricod> yes, i did burn them like knoppix
[07:54] <Dreamer3> naruto: run `killall -9 esd` from the prompt
[07:54] <naruto> and?
[07:54] <jefis> i got gt2-qt-engine and i looks same crapy :)
[07:54] <enricod> their md5s are okay, too
[07:54] <solidape> anyone got lirc running on their comp that could help me out for a sec?
[07:54] <Dreamer3> naruto: and check and see if it died
[07:54] <Dreamer3> naruto: ps -Af | grep esd
[07:57] <perce> how can i install .deb from console?
[07:57] <vpalle> how do i change the default language/locale in ubuntu?
[07:57] <naruto> ok.. ctrl+alt+f2 login..pass.and "killall -9 esd" and startx again?
[07:57] <vpalle> hoary
[07:57] <Dreamer3> enricod: then ctrl-alt-f7 and see if it's starting up
[07:57] <naruto> if no?
[07:58] <soto> perce: dpkg -i nowe345.deb
[07:58] <dockane> does anybody have a solution for the library missing error when starting skype ?
[07:58] <jefis> where to get library qt-mt
[07:58] <jefis> with kynaptic i can't get it
[07:58] <Dreamer3> naruto: no
[07:58] <jefis> and can't compile some software
[07:59] <jefis> :(
[07:59] <Dreamer3> naruto: after killing esd go back to ctrl+alt+f7 and see if it's working
[07:59] <naruto> if dosent work?
[07:59] <Dreamer3> naruto: then come back
[07:59] <naruto> what i shuld do?
[07:59] <naruto> ok
[07:59] <Dreamer3> naruto: and if it does come back, cuase this isn't a permanent solution
[08:00] <naruto> qh
[08:00] <naruto> i dont have root
[08:00] <naruto> i thin.. is off
[08:00] <enricod> Dreamer3: when should i press ctrl-alt-f7? when i boot with the ubuntu cd, it just boots into grub as though the cd was not there. when i boot with knoppix inside, it boots from cd.  the ubuntu linux cds are okay, since i burned three of them, and two different versions
[08:00] <Dreamer3> enricod: n/m :)
[08:00] <Dreamer3> enricod: was talking to naruto
[08:00] <naruto> bunt i console i must write pass
[08:01] <Dreamer3> enricod: weird
[08:01] <naruto> and...i dont seted this..
[08:01] <Dreamer3> naruto: after you kill esd, go back to X (ctrl+alt+f7) and see if it's working
[08:02] <enricod> i have a recent computer, a 9 month old dell, so it shouldn't be a compatibility problem...
[08:02] <naruto> i need root to use kill -9?
[08:02] <apokryphos> naruto: it depends on what you're killing
[08:02] <soto> vpalle: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales   # to change locales in hoary
[08:03] <vpalle> soto, thx
[08:03] <naruto> allkill
[08:03] <naruto> ;p
[08:03] <naruto> ok..
[08:03] <apokryphos> heh
[08:03] <merphix> hello
[08:03] <apokryphos> bash: allkill: command not found..... darn.
[08:03] <naruto> ok i will back
[08:03] <rattboi> killall
[08:04] <vpalle> soto, that only generates the locales, how do i select the default?
[08:05] <snybole> How can I manage my apt in fluxbox? If I want to use the same as used in gnome?
[08:05] <solidape> i got lirc working halfway (i can control the mouse), now i need it to control vlc... any tips?
[08:05] <snybole> is there a command I could type in through a terminal?
[08:05] <apokryphos> snybole: use Synaptic, then.#
[08:07] <saik0> Does ubuntu have a script for resatrting samba?
[08:07] <martinhj> snybole, "aptitude" (for terminal) works well
[08:08] <snybole> thanks to both
[08:08] <eric_> I have a really strange problem, /var/www contain 2 directories that have the same uid and gid; both have 0770 perms and are owned by user:www-data.  However, apache can read one of them while it can't read the other.  anyone can help ??
[08:09] <martinhj> snybole, (because, when I use fluxbox, I like to use terminal programs:-)
[08:09] <snybole> same here :)
[08:10] <snybole> One more question though, I have 2 soundcards in my computer, an onboard (crappy) one and a soundblaster, alsamixer is using my onboard, someone knows how I can change this?
[08:11] <Dreamer3> dum de dum
[08:11] <zyga> snybole: disable your onboard card in bios
[08:11] <zyga> snybole: easiest way possible
[08:11] <snybole> alright
[08:11] <thully> Hi, I'm trying to use netapplet with Hoary, and it works well except it crashes whenever I resume my laptop from suspend-to-disk.  Is there any fix for this issue?
[08:11] <perce> how can i enable dma acc. to my cd burner?
[08:12] <snybole> I'll have to reboot then, be right back
[08:13] <soto> vpalle, do you have more than one locale selected ? you could try  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales", check the /etc/locales.gen file for UTF-8
[08:13] <solidape> i got lirc working halfway (i can control the mouse), now i need it to control vlc... any tips?
[08:15] <naruto> ;/
[08:15] <naruto> this sux
[08:16] <naruto> maybe i shuld install debian..
[08:16] <Detten> seems like the forcedeth module is bugged :/
[08:16] <naruto> :[
[08:16] <thundrcleeze> What's wrong, naruto
[08:16] <vpalle> soto, thx again
[08:17] <naruto> ubuntu dosent work
[08:17] <trygvebw> Hi! Where can i download the/a Kubuntu and Ubuntu CD label?
[08:17] <glaure> hi, how to write a bugreport to a hoary universe package like "waproamd". Bugzilla seems tp delegate to another zope site where the bugzilla acoount does not work...
[08:18] <thundrcleeze> I'm getting an error myself.  How can I resolve the error "Fatal server error: no screens found" when it tries to start x?
[08:18] <zenrox> thundrcleeze, whats your vid card
[08:19] <thundrcleeze> nvidia geforce.
[08:19] <naruto> Dreamer3
[08:19] <naruto> ;/
[08:19] <airmikey> i need orbit-2.0
[08:19] <tolstoy-> wow.  scrolling up in firefox by grabbing the thumbnail and sliding upwards freezes X.  i'm thinking this is not a good thing.
[08:19] <perce> how can i enable dma acc. to my cd burner?
[08:20] <zenrox> thundrcleeze,  didja sudo apt-get nvidia-glx linux-restected-modules thatmatch your kernel
[08:20] <glaure> perce : hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrw
[08:20] <jefis> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[08:20] <jefis> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[08:20] <jefis> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[08:20] <jefis> i should download kde-dev?
[08:20] <trygvebw> ?
[08:20] <airmikey> isee that python2.4-pyorbit is loaded
[08:20] <perce> glaure: ty
[08:20] <thundrcleeze> zenrox, it's been working fine before, I just updated and smart installed everything and it broke when I restart.
[08:21] <zenrox> thundrcleeze, login thru the console
[08:22] <zenrox> and do a sudo modprobe nvidia
[08:22] <pngai> Anybody get cryptsetup working on Hoary?
[08:22] <zenrox> thundrcleeze, then a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:22] <pngai> I'm getting "Command failed: Incompatible libdevmapper 1.00.19-ioctl (2004-07-03)(compat) and kernel driver"
[08:23] <thundrcleeze> Still not luck, zenrox.  It's giving me the same error, but it says there is an API mismatch, nvidia kernel module is ver. 7.1.0 but the x module is version 1.0.7174.
[08:24] <zenrox> thundrcleeze,  reboot
[08:24] <zenrox> do a sudo reboot
[08:24] <zenrox> and it should be fine
[08:24] <zenrox> thundrcleeze,  i just got that update and i had to reboot
[08:24] <thundrcleeze> Thanks, zenrox.  I'll try that.
[08:26] <naruto> hey
[08:26] <naruto> what i shuld do..when: I have startscreen.. i must write login and pass.. i write this.. and i push log on.... i hear startmiusic and  i wait for systemstart..but..nothing is happening.. i have only brown screen... :/ and i must restart my computer
[08:26] <airmikey> Package 'ORBit-2.0', required by 'PyORBit', not found
[08:26] <naruto> my ubuntu is after instalation
[08:27] <thundrcleeze> zenrox, nope, still the same, only this time it's a hard freeze on the error message.
[08:27] <zenrox> thundrcleeze, hmmm was the word nvidia was put in /etc/modules
[08:28] <naruto> Can anyone help me?
[08:28] <naruto> :>
[08:28] <emann> .... hehe, yeah... I would like to get some help aswell...
[08:29] <naruto> :P
[08:29] <thundrcleeze> zenrox, what to you mean?
[08:29] <apokryphos> naruto: it could be several things, but doesn't seem to be a problem with X. Could be permissions, just GNOME (for a reason I wouldn't know). Have you tried logging into another DE/
[08:29] <knubbze> hi
[08:29] <knubbze> how to take a screenshot?
[08:29] <knubbze> I'm in Xfce4 at the moment
[08:29] <zenrox> thundrcleeze, didja follow http://www.ubuntuguide.org/temp for nvidia install
[08:29] <elem3nt> Hi, just wondering, is ntfs supported ?
[08:30] <emann> I was using the ubuntu 5.04 on my lappie. I closed the lid somuch that the lappie tried to enter @sleep mode@ or something like that. And when i booted up the next time everything was gone....
[08:30] <apokryphos> knubbze: you can use ImageMagick for it, if you have it.
[08:30] <zenrox> elem3nt,  only for read ntfs
[08:30] <naruto> DE?
[08:30] <naruto> whats this?
[08:30] <emann> ... I might be newbie... but I still find it a little bit strange... >P
[08:30] <apokryphos> naruto: Desktop Environment
[08:30] <naruto> GNOME KDA?
[08:31] <elem3nt> zenrox that all I need, thanks for the info
[08:31] <LeeColleton> how do I change the volume name of a flash disk?
[08:31] <naruto> yeah.. i tried...
[08:31] <bofh__> Can anyone help me change soundcard interface from car0 to card1 in ubuntu hoare
[08:31] <emann> But then again - it\s always nice to get suprices... was just wondering if any of you had any problem like that..
[08:31] <apokryphos> naruto: GNOME/KDE etc.
[08:31] <naruto> the same effect...
[08:31] <apokryphos> naruto: what? Same problem on KDE?
[08:31] <thundrcleeze> yeah, it's been working fine for a couple of months now, zenrox.  Just after I updated yesterday it's had this problem.
[08:31] <LeeColleton> emann: what do you mean by everything gone?  was the disk wiped?
[08:31] <naruto> yes
[08:32] <bofh__> or is there a channel dedicated to help on this server?
[08:32] <zenrox> thundrcleeze,  hmm casue i just rebooted and it updated the driver
[08:32] <apokryphos> naruto: hmm, and this is a fresh installation, or not?
[08:32] <naruto> i had Live CD
[08:32] <tenz> anybody works with Muse 7.1?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> bofh__: this is it
[08:32] <naruto> and..this same effect
[08:32] <emann> Kinda, The programs was still there, but i lost all my music, doc, pictures...
[08:32] <apokryphos> naruto: hmm, could possibly be X stuff, could be permission stuff, but I'm really quit esure KDE wouldn't freeze up
[08:33] <apokryphos> *quite sure
[08:33] <naruto> Ubuntu 5.04 RE
[08:33] <emann> And i had to add accounts to Gaim again, and tell rythembox where i had my music...
[08:33] <emann> and lost bookmarks in firefox etc, etc...
[08:34] <thundrcleeze> Any suggestions, zenrox?  Update the driver again, or is there a way to rollback to the previous driver?
[08:34] <naruto> apokryphos.. on my old computer this version is working
[08:34] <bofh__> can anyone help me change soundcard interface?
[08:35] <naruto> maybe problem with SATA disc?
[08:35] <apokryphos> hmm
[08:35] <naruto> i dont know..
[08:36] <kaltsi> hello
[08:36] <naruto> apokryphos>apokryphos>apokryphos>
[08:36] <naruto> ;]
[08:37] <naruto> any sygestion?
[08:37] <apokryphos> hi :)
[08:37] <naruto> ;]
[08:37] <apokryphos> naruto: so this CD is the RC?
[08:37] <trygvebw> Where can i download the/a Kubuntu and Ubuntu CD label?
[08:37] <zenrox> thundrcleeze, try updating agine make shure every thang is fine and try agine
[08:37] <naruto> yes
[08:37] <andreizinca> can you tell me an application for gnome like krusader's ksyncronizer or total commander - syncronize dirs option ? thank you
[08:37] <apokryphos> naruto: you could try (i) reconfiguring your X (though not sure how that could be the problem), or (ii) do a dist-upgrade
[08:38] <thully> hi - does anyone here have a clue why netapplet keeps crashing when I log out of GNOME or resume from suspend?
[08:39] <naruto> reconfiguring? i can't :/ i dont know how to do it
[08:39] <naruto> eh..
[08:39] <naruto> mayby i shuld install debian
[08:39] <naruto> or something..
[08:40] <thundrcleeze> zenrox or anyone, is there a way to do a smart upgrade from within apt-get?
[08:41] <zenrox> thundrcleeze,  ya sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:41] <LeeColleton> when I right click on a flash disk volume (currently labeled: 257M Removable Media) and select Properties, the Name field is grayed out.  How can I change the volume name?
[08:42] <thundrcleeze> Thanks, zenrox.
 whith distro is very similar to ubuntu?
[08:43] <thundrcleeze> kubuntu :)
[08:43] <zenrox> or debian
[08:43] <apokryphos> naruto: reconfiguring: in console, type "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[08:43] <apokryphos> There's several similar distros
[08:43] <thully> progeny debian
[08:43] <apokryphos> MEPIS, too
[08:44] <thully> MEPIS is more like Kubuntu
[08:44] <thundrcleeze> Ubuntu is based on debian, so it's no suprise debian's simliar
[08:44] <naruto> hmm
[08:44] <naruto> Ubuntu have Pl language.. debian too?
[08:45] <tck_> was hoary final not supposed to be out today ?
[08:45] <apokryphos> Guadalinex is another -- based on Ubuntu
[08:45] <thundrcleeze> It should, yes, naruto.
[08:45] <Artemis3> give more time for guadalinex
[08:46] <phxguy> any know how i can get my nvidia card to use its tv-out?
[08:46] <thundrcleeze> What does guadalinex have that ubuntu doesn't?
[08:46] <apokryphos> thundrcleeze: their base in Spain?
[08:46] <Artemis3> i have the fully documented chrontel chip.. wonder if i could use it without closed source drivers ;)
[08:47] <thundrcleeze> How is guadalinex differenciating itself from ubuntu?
[08:47] <Artemis3> probably more l10n
[08:48] <Artemis3> but i have found ubuntu very spanish already
[08:48] <Artemis3> maybe they ll just add their apps
[08:48] <apokryphos> thundrcleeze: some info: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/guadalinex
[08:49] <Artemis3> i have an older guadalinex... and it sucked ;) but they documented as best as they could
[08:49] <phxguy> thundrcleeze: osdir has screenshots if ya wanna see what it looks like http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=116&slide=1
[08:50] <naruto> hmm dabian is por pro.. im not.. what shuld i instal?
[08:50] <naruto> for
[08:50] <Artemis3> now that guadalinex is ubuntu instead of debian based, i might give it another try
[08:50] <Artemis3> but i think ubuntu is good enough
[08:50] <apokryphos> naruto: if you really want to leave [k] ubuntu, I'd say go for MEPIS
[08:51] <thundrcleeze> Otherwise, give ubuntu a try.
[08:51] <Artemis3> debian is good, but old... always lagging behind times..
[08:51] <Unipal> kjk
[08:51] <subinfinity> Is it possible to get a winmodem to work under ubuntu?
[08:51] <Artemis3> i hate those...
[08:51] <Timbo> debian stable is old
[08:51] <Timbo> debian sid is pretty new
[08:51] <subinfinity> They are evil.
[08:51] <Artemis3> unstable is old too :p
[08:51] <phxguy> subinfinity: it should be. I had a winmodem and it was picked up during the install...
[08:51] <Timbo> the trouble with debian though is it tries to be everything to everyone
[08:52] <Timbo> on every architecture
[08:52] <subinfinity> It didn't detect mine.
[08:52] <sjmorgan> is "E: Build-dependencies for gedit could not be satisfied." a problem on my side of missing packages in the repository?
[08:52] <sjmorgan> of/or
[08:52] <subinfinity> So now I'm futzing about with scanModem...
[08:52] <subinfinity> and my brain kind of hurts.
[08:52] <Dreamer3> Timbo: and it succeeds ;-)
[08:53] <Timbo> not really
[08:53] <Artemis3> why not go to the linmodems page?
[08:53] <Timbo> debian on the desktop is nothing close to ubuntu on the desktop
[08:53] <Artemis3> i hope it shows your "chip" as unsupported so you don't struggle anymore
[08:53] <Dreamer3> Timbo: *laughs* ubuntu is debian on the desktop :)
[08:53] <Timbo> no
[08:53] <Dreamer3> Timbo: ubuntu wouldn't be what it is without debian, that's what makes debian great ;-)
[08:53] <Timbo> ubuntu is ubuntu
[08:53] <subinfinity> I'm there, I was just wondering if anyone knew exactly if anyone knew what to do.
[08:53] <Artemis3> things are so easy with real modems...
[08:54] <subinfinity> The chipset is suppored...
[08:54] <Timbo> well obviously not
[08:54] <Artemis3> ouch...
[08:54] <Artemis3> good luck then
[08:54] <kfc> is anyone got experience with Wacom Intous 2 in ubuntu?
[08:54] <Timbo> i don't think you're really listening to what i'm saying
[08:54] <Dreamer3> Timbo: no, i'm busy working on other things :) sorry
[08:54] <Artemis3> the only thing worse than a winmodem is a DSL winmodem (eg: Alcatel speedtouch USB)
[08:55] <subinfinity> I'm kind of broke and nowhere around here sells real modems.
[08:55] <zyga> kfc: I've got one, 1 ;]
[08:55] <subinfinity> They're all winmodems of some kind or another.
[08:57] <ren0> Hi. I am trying to get my Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express working using these "destructions"
[08:57] <ren0> http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/troubleshooting.shtml
[08:59] <ren0> I do this sudo ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 /usr/src/linux...
[09:00] <CarlK> how do i decompress a .udeb file, like ./pool/main/p/preseed/network-preseed_1.02ubuntu4_all.udeb
[09:00] <ren0> then I get this error: cd /usr/src/linux bash: cd: /usr/src/linux: No such file or directory
[09:01] <kfc> zyga : i've trouble following the wiki. do u mind giving me a little help?
[09:01] <scaramanga> hello. does anyone have any recommendations for socket 939 mobos for use with ubuntu?
[09:01] <Artemis3> use amd64 compile?
[09:01] <kfc> zyga : i just wanna get the pressure sensitivity to work.
[09:02] <Artemis3> no wait, don't if you have a sempron
[09:02] <LeeColleton> is NVU available for Ubuntu?
[09:02] <Artemis3> or there aren't 939 semprons?
[09:03] <scaramanga> the 939 board will be for an athlon 64.
[09:03] <buz> hi
[09:03] <Artemis3> semprom is 754 only? i could think reading about 939 parts...
[09:03] <buz> i have troubles printing, all gtk apps produce broken postscript files
[09:04] <buz> i can look at them just fine but sending them to the printer or using ps2pdf on them generates crap
[09:04] <scaramanga> i don't think that there are 939 semprons, but i could be wrong.
[09:04] <Evergete> hi all
[09:04] <buz> no socket 939 semprons, unfortunately
[09:04] <Bazzi> buz, Artemis3 not yet.
[09:04] <Artemis3> hmm
[09:04] <naruto> Debian 3.0r3 this is actual version of Debian?
[09:04] <Bazzi> It will come.
[09:04] <Artemis3> "yet" ^^!
[09:04] <buz> not for a while, i'd say
[09:05] <Bazzi> this month, actually
[09:05] <Artemis3> ouch
[09:05] <buz> where did you get that?
[09:05] <Bazzi> Sempron 3200+ for So939 is scheduled for April, 2005
[09:05] <Artemis3> when are they releasing 940 parts?
[09:05] <sander_> what package system is ubuntu based on? debian?
[09:05] <Bazzi> unofficial roadmap
[09:05] <scaramanga> i'm looking at the GA-K8NXP-9.
[09:05] <tritium> sander_, yes
[09:05] <scaramanga> anyone have any experience with it?
[09:06] <chase> can ndiswrapper-utils be installed on a 64-bit machine? it doesnt come up in Hoarys synaptic
[09:06] <queuetue> Is an athlon64 at the same clock speed as a "regular" athlon worth the price differnce?  What is the functional difference?  (I'm going to be doing some moderate number crunching.)
[09:06] <Bazzi> queuetue it is.
[09:06] <buz> if you do numbercrunching, 64bit will help
[09:06] <sander_> any place I can read about the diffrences between debian and ubuntu?
[09:06] <scaramanga> queuetue: yes.
[09:06] <zyga> queuetue: it's worth everything and double that
[09:06] <buz> especially if you compile your own code to do the crunching
[09:06] <Artemis3> omg yes queuetue :)
[09:07] <zyga> 32bits are going away, 64 bits will let you keep your mobo and cpu for a while
[09:07] <Bazzi> the new Athlon 64 Venice and San Diego cores do serious ass-kicking
[09:07] <sander_> any reason I should use ubuntu.. compeard to debian?
[09:07] <carstenh> hi, is the anything like packages.debian.org for ubunutu?
[09:07] <buz> uptodate packages
[09:07] <zyga> especially if you buy 969 (AFAIR) socket stuff
[09:07] <buz> 939 it is
[09:07] <tritium> sander_, try the LiveCD - you'll see why for yourself :)
[09:07] <Artemis3> 969? i tho they were going for 940...
[09:07] <Bazzi> carstenh you might want to enable universe/multiverse repositories
[09:07] <gfxstyler> hi
[09:08] <Artemis3> (which is a single extra pin :P)
[09:08] <boxemall> can anyone help me with my sound problem?all i hear is the looped startup ubuntu sound
[09:08] <Bazzi> Artemis3 940 is for servers
[09:08] <buz> please any printer wizards here?
[09:08] <Artemis3> awww
[09:08] <Artemis3> smp?
[09:08] <naruto> Debian SID or 3.0r4 is better?
[09:08] <zyga> 940 is for opteron stuff
[09:08] <boxemall> all i can do is to mute the channels of my soundcard
[09:08] <tritium> carstenh, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[09:08] <Bazzi> 940 = ECC Registered RAM only.
[09:08] <queuetue> Ok, so I don't have to do ... sempron for value?  Just the Athlon 64 matters.
[09:08] <gfxstyler> if i select more things in the kernel configuration, does that make the kernel slower ?
[09:08] <tck> whats the printer issue ?
[09:08] <Artemis3> only ECC?
[09:08] <carstenh> Bazzi: i don't use ubunut at the moment, ich just want information abuout some packages :)
[09:08] <Artemis3> :(
[09:08] <zyga> sempron for office and parents mail & web ;]
[09:08] <carstenh> tritium: thanks :)
[09:08] <zyga> amd64 for everyone else
[09:08] <boxemall> i already took a look in some forums and on the alsa page but can't find anything
[09:08] <buz> tck: i can print from QT apps just fine, but printing from OO, firefox or thunderbird will yield broken postscript
[09:09] <Bazzi> carstenh oh :) http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[09:09] <Homie> hey can someone help me set up a mixer element
[09:09] <Homie> for my sound card
[09:09] <plouf> hello
[09:09] <buz> printer doesn't swallow it (it's natively PS2) and ps2pdf cant use it either
[09:09] <buz> i can look at it though
[09:09] <scaramanga> so, any motherboard recommendations for 939, a64 and the amd64 build?
[09:09] <scaramanga> (of hoary)
[09:09] <tck> whats ghostscript's reaction on printing
[09:09] <Artemis3> avoid pc chips, pc partner, biostar :)
[09:09] <scaramanga> lol.
[09:09] <scaramanga> thanks!
[09:09] <naruto>  Debian SID or 3.0r4 is better?
[09:09] <Bazzi> scaramanga I think the DFI LanParty boards are the best you can get for socket 939
[09:10] <buz> i was looking into the Albatron KT890 boards
[09:10] <zyga> Bazzi: they've got dual giga-lan?
[09:10] <buz> but i couldn't find them anywhere in CH so far
[09:10] <Bazzi> zyga yes.
[09:10] <boxemall> don't know what to do anymore. can't believe that i won't have no sound on linux
[09:10] <Artemis3> what soundcard?
[09:11] <boxemall> it's an terratec dmx 6 fire (on alsa page it sais it is supported)
[09:11] <snybole> I'm having some trouble getting my keyboardlayout to work, I've got swedish, but it says something about XKB server errors
[09:11] <boxemall> and i already hat tested it with suse 9.2 and it worked
[09:11] <boxemall> even on mandrake it worked
[09:11] <naruto>  Debian SID or 3.0r4 is better?
[09:11] <scaramanga> bazzi: thanks. i'll take a look.
[09:11] <zeniac> lo.i installed kde over apt-get today but its still using gnome for some reason?do i have to delete gnome for using kde or do i have to change some setting somewhere?
[09:12] <Artemis3> if it is an integrated via thing, heres what i did: unmute the weird things at the rightmost of alsamixer, and pump up the volume ;)
[09:12] <boxemall> since i reinstalled ubuntus actual rc it doesn' work anymore
[09:12] <chase> whats the command to add ssh to the default start up?
[09:12] <pc03> any points for totem-gstreamer, totem-xine, gxine, vlc? who'd be the winner (also on restricted formats)?
[09:12] <Bazzi> vlc wins the internets
[09:12] <plouf> question how do i force screen refrsh to a higer rate ? system-prfereences-screen resolution only has 60hz
[09:12] <Artemis3> vlc is very good
[09:12] <zyga> boxemall: what's the issue?
[09:12] <zyga> boxemall: does lspci see the thing, does alsamixer see the thing?
[09:13] <scaramanga> bazzi: what's the out-of-box ubuntu/debian support like for those boards?
[09:13] <boxemall> where do i see if alsa sees the card?
[09:13] <pc03> totem-gstreamer, totem-xine sofar are driving me crazy..
[09:13] <Bazzi> scaramanga Dunno :)
[09:13] <zyga> boxemall: try alsamixer for example
[09:13] <naruto> hallo...  Debian SID or 3.0r4 is better?
[09:13] <Bazzi> I'm still on my old P4-2533 box here, not even with ubuntu yet
[09:13] <Bazzi> (migrating takes a loong time ;) )
[09:13] <tritium> naruto, why not ask in #debian?
[09:13] <boxemall> alsa mixer sees the card
[09:13] <zenrox> pc03,  you have w32codecs installed
[09:14] <boxemall> even all the channels
[09:14] <zyga> boxemall: maybe it's muted ;]
[09:14] <zyga> boxemall: that happens alot ;]
[09:14] <boxemall> no it is not uted
[09:14] <pc03> yes
[09:14] <scaramanga> bazzi: ok. i think i'm just gonna have to hope for the best...
[09:14] <pc03> yes zenrox
[09:14] <Bazzi> scaramanga I would not do that :P
[09:14] <boxemall> i dont't know why this sound gets loppen on and on
[09:14] <zyga> boxemall: uname -a
[09:14] <Artemis3> yes unmute things with weird names too!
[09:14] <boxemall> looks like sound server crached?
[09:14] <zenrox> pc03, totem-xine sould work and gxine too
[09:14] <carstenh> naruto: if you have to ask such questions don't use sid, it is only for developers and geeks
[09:14] <zyga> boxemall: some sound cards were broken on one kernel some time ago
[09:14] <pc03> using totem-xine now.. but many with avis dont get good sound.. very choppy
[09:14] <zeniac> question .i installed kde over apt-get today but its still using gnome for some reason?do i have to delete gnome for using kde or do i have to change some setting somewhere?
[09:15] <zenrox> pc03,  how fast is the cpu
[09:15] <boxemall> i already installed actual kernels (usin k7 right now) and still the same problem
[09:15] <carstenh> naruto: maybe sarge or the latest ubuntu-release fits better your needs
[09:15] <tritium> zeniac, choose a different session when you login
[09:15] <revs_> zendog: click the "session" button at the bottom of the login screen - that lets you select KDE
[09:16] <pc03> 2400 amd sempron zenrox, although i get it to work ok on slower pcs with knoppix..
[09:16] <scaramanga> bazzi: why not?!
[09:16] <Artemis3> test using alsa instead of esound (ie: xmms output plugin)
[09:16] <zenrox> pc03, hmm instering
[09:16] <zyga> boxemall: did you try maxing out all volume levels?
[09:16] <boxemall> uname -a says "Linux x-machine 2.6.10-5-k7 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:56:05 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux"
[09:16] <tritium> naruto, I think you'll find ubuntu easier and better than both
[09:16] <boxemall> if i max all levels the looped sound only gets louder
[09:17] <Bazzi> scaramanga I'd seriously consider waiting for a revision of those boards because I was told they do still have minor issues (RAM incompatibilities and such things), as well as the drivers are still beta quality.
[09:17] <carstenh> .oO(same question in #debian would have resulted in the opposite answer ;))
[09:17] <boxemall> this looped conga sound blocks my card or mixer
[09:17] <boxemall> did not change anything
[09:17] <pc03> zenrox.. where do i see totem-xine's codecs... like in gxine (probably the next 1 ill try)
[09:17] <boxemall> this is clean install
[09:17] <FooBarWidget> can anyone tell me what happens if you type "su root -c true" in ubuntu?
[09:17] <zyga> boxemall: louder? so something does work?
[09:17] <boxemall> louder it gets louder
[09:17] <zenrox> pc03,  you just need w32codecs
[09:18] <scaramanga> bazzi: ok. maybe i'll just get a mac...
[09:18] <zenrox> for all programs
[09:18] <boxemall> iwould like to know where this sound is coming from
[09:18] <Artemis3> looped hmm... maybe on of the sliders is stereo mixer or such for input
[09:18] <Bazzi> scaramanga lol :)
[09:18] <FooBarWidget> I'm trying to write ubuntu support for my software
[09:18] <zyga> boxemall: kill esd
[09:18] <Artemis3> su root -c wont do, hehehe
[09:18] <zyga> boxemall: and launch it manually
[09:18] <FooBarWidget> Artemis3: but what happens?
[09:18] <FooBarWidget> what message do you get?
[09:19] <pc03> zenrox.. problem only seems to occur with some files..(but these files are ok using knoppix from cd!!)
[09:19] <andreizinca> i need a standalone application just like krusyncdir module from krusader. any hints ? thanks
[09:19] <ger1> Hello
[09:19] <zenrox> pc03,  i dont whats going on
[09:19] <pc03> when will we see the final hoary release?
[09:20] <zenrox> 8th
[09:20] <Bazzi> pc03 in less than a week
[09:20] <zenrox> 3 days away
[09:20] <pc03> Bazzi.. thats this friday then.. 8-)
[09:20] <ger1> Does anyone know how to make an aDSL coonection?
[09:20] <Artemis3> plug the cable?
[09:21] <Artemis3> (nothing like eth :)
[09:21] <ger1> I mean is that a dhcp setup or manual
[09:21] <andreizinca> any good visual diff program for gnome ?
[09:21] <Artemis3> isp dependant, usually dhcp
[09:22] <ger1> Ok, it's not for me (I'm online as u can see) but a friend has trouble connecting
[09:22] <Artemis3> if ethernet, should be pretty easy. else...
[09:22] <Ben2004uk> any ideas when hoary final will be released??
[09:23] <ger1> No, it's an usb modem
[09:23] <Artemis3> april 8
[09:23] <neighborlee> Is there a log file I could check to find out why my desktop came crashing down after a evolution crash ??
[09:23] <Artemis3> oh my...
[09:23] <ger1> "var/log/messages"?
[09:23] <zyga> neighborlee: what do you meen by 'desktop'
[09:24] <neighborlee> zyga, well..the desktop became totally unresponsive after a few moments..
[09:24] <neighborlee> zyga, evo crashed then gnome-panel stopped responding then finally right click desktop stopped working
[09:24] <zyga> neighborlee: ah
[09:24] <neighborlee> zyga, although oddly enough xchat never budged LOL
[09:24] <yahalom> is there any reason why my mplayer would no longer work as a result of installing fglrx?
[09:24] <zyga> neighborlee: try running top on one of the consoles
[09:24] <zyga> neighborlee: alt+ctrl+f1, login, top
[09:25] <neighborlee> zyga, i've hard rebooted long since ;-)
[09:25] <neighborlee> zyga, but yeah worth a shot next time if it happens ag ain
[09:25] <neighborlee> zyga, with any luck there is a fix in the works ( I filed a bug report )
[09:26] <zyga> neighborlee: I hardly never reboot - kernel doesn't crash with desktop
[09:26] <sh0r> hi
[09:26] <zyga> neighborlee: try alt+ctrl+backspace in hard cases
[09:27] <sh0r> how can i install a gnome theme? if i drag and drop it into the themes windows nothing happens
[09:27] <PecK> sometimes you have to install them manually. but they all worked for me with ubuntu. only had pbs with fc3...
[09:27] <zyga> sh0r: restart theme manager afterwards
[09:28] <neighborlee> zyga, I even tried that ye4s
[09:28] <neighborlee> zyga, but while it worked it logged me out of x entirely without trying to restart it..so whatever happened was prettty bad LOL
[09:28] <neighborlee> zyga, I then tried : sudo reboot < but even that 'hung' on trying to stop  cupsd
[09:28] <neighborlee> zyga, so in end a hard shutdown was needed ;(
[09:28] <neighborlee> go fig
[09:28] <zyga> neighborlee: hmm strange
[09:29] <neighborlee> I thought so
[09:29] <sh0r> zyga: did that, didn't work unfortunatley
[09:29] <zyga> neighborlee: could you try to remote login next time
[09:29] <zyga> and check what's going on
[09:29] <zyga> sh0r: some packages are broken :/
[09:29] <zyga> sh0r: you can try to unpack them manualy to .themes AFAIR (help me out someone)
[09:29] <sh0r> how do i install themes manually?where's the ./themes directory located?
[09:29] <neighborlee> zyga, I guess I should have tried Ctrl-alt-f! but who knows if even that would have worked due to the crash
[09:30] <neighborlee> zyga, only have one other machine and thats windowsXP
[09:30] <boxemall_> @zyga : sorry got disconnected
[09:30] <zyga> neighborlee: that's okay - run putty, the only useful windows program :)
[09:30] <neighborlee> heh
[09:30] <boxemall_> so again how do i kill esd manuallay and restart it manually?
[09:30] <zyga> boxemall_: simply pkill esd
[09:30] <neighborlee> zyga, interesting....illl look it up thx <<
[09:30] <zyga> boxemall_: on startup it plays silly sound
[09:31] <zyga> boxemall_: so if your card works you should hear it
[09:31] <neighborlee> zyga, LOL only useful windows app..how true indeed LOL
[09:31] <jefis> anyone knows good p2p client?
[09:31] <zenrox> jefis, limewire
[09:31] <boxemall_> so is hould restrat now right?
[09:32] <boxemall_> restart
[09:32] <jefis> allready have it, next :)
[09:32] <davro> hi all, does anyone know if Ubuntu has CKRM implemented, or how resource management works on Ubuntu.
[09:32] <zyga> boxemall_: just run in it again
[09:32] <zenrox> gtk-gnutella jefis
[09:32] <jefis> it's copy of limewire
[09:32] <jefis> ;)
[09:32] <sharkitekt> Hi everyone. How's it going
[09:33] <jefis> next :)
[09:33] <sharkitekt> ?
[09:33] <zenrox> jefis,  no not a copy just runs on limewires network
[09:33] <turkey_joe> not bad by'
[09:33] <snybole> sharkitekt: going good :) How about yourself?
[09:33] <turkey_joe> hows it going fer U??
[09:33] <sharkitekt> OK. I'm busy trying to sort out my network on UbUntu
[09:33] <jefis> give me your p2p client, i will give you a candy
[09:33] <jefis> :)
[09:33] <WeirdAl> Do I have to specify that a folder is shared?
[09:34] <WeirdAl> And if so, how?
[09:34] <boxemall_> i don't understand. what should i do exactly?
[09:34] <scott> when did the rc for hoary get released?
[09:34] <zenrox> a week ago??
[09:35] <zenrox> scott, but wate 3more days for full releace of hoary
[09:35] <zyga> boxemall_: just run esd from terminal for example
[09:35] <linuzo> Yo what's the huge update?
[09:36] <LeeColleton> note that the version number specifies the year and month but not the day
[09:36] <linuzo> is hoary now stable?
[09:36] <zyga> linuzo: not yet
[09:36] <turkey_joe> when will the full release version of ubuntu be available??
[09:36] <linuzo> hmm wonder why I had 160 updates then
[09:36] <LeeColleton> linuzo: there will certainly be a notice on ubuntulinux.org when it is ready
[09:37] <linuzo> ok thanks
[09:37] <zyga> linuzo: hoary is just around the corner so I guess everyone is hurrying to commit last patches
[09:37] <xMaximex> i installed hoary 3 days ago, how can i update to the last release when a new one is released ?
[09:37] <linuzo> I am using it anyways.. seems to work fine..
[09:37] <linuzo> xMaximex, it has a autoupdate program..
[09:37] <xMaximex> okay
[09:37] <xMaximex> nothing to do ?
[09:38] <linuzo> well you have to click update
[09:38] <zyga> xMaximex: if you want to stay with hoary just update once a week
[09:38] <xMaximex> ok
[09:38] <linuzo> a red circle somes up near the clock
[09:38] <zyga> xMaximex: If you want to stay with bleeding edge you need to modify your config files
[09:38] <boxemall_> i killed esd but i still have the loped sound
[09:38] <zyga> boxemall_: looped sound, what kind of sound?
[09:39] <Antioch> zyga I thought Hoary was frozen tomorrow?
[09:39] <boxemall_> i think you know the short conga sound at ubuntu startup? it is exactly that sound looped on and on
[09:39] <snybole> someone knows how I make alsamixer use 1 soundcard when I have 2?
[09:39] <snybole> 1 specific soundcard
[09:39] <WeirdAl> How do I make a shared directory?
[09:39] <cjb> Hi, all.  I get "failed to initialize HAL!" after logging in to gdm with linux-image-2.6.10-5-686, but don't with linux-image-2.6.10-5-386.  Anyone know why?
[09:39] <WeirdAl> I've installed Samba, I just need something to share
[09:40] <zyga> Antioch: probably so :-)
[09:40] <zyga> Antioch: I'm not tracking dates really
[09:40] <zyga> snybole: alsamixer can use both AFAIR
[09:41] <Antioch> zyga oh.. just checked -- full freeze on the 8th, I was off by 2 days, lol
[09:41] <zyga> snybole: you can speficy which, man alsamixer
[09:41] <davro> WeirdAl: vim /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:43] <keyhack> What package has all the printer drivers? I noticed Canon is not listed
[09:44] <WeirdAl> davro, according to this the home directories are already shared...
[09:44] <WeirdAl> At least, that's the impression I get.
[09:44] <spiral> hello.... Can you help me with a quite recent laptop & ubuntu ?
[09:44] <WeirdAl> spiral: just ask.
[09:45] <WeirdAl> :-)
[09:45] <spiral> WeirdAl: So, I've got a new medion laptop...
[09:45] <scott> I hope they launch the new website for the hoary release
[09:45] <spiral> WeirdAl: and I can hardly get it working with ubuntu
[09:45] <WeirdAl> What sort of problems are you encountering?
[09:46] <spiral> WeirdAl: the gigabit ethernet card doesn't work..
[09:46] <spiral> WeirdAl: hotplug freezes
[09:46] <spiral> WeirdAl: pcmcia freezes
[09:46] <jefis> is there GUI for iptables?
[09:46] <spiral> WeirdAl: & I sometimes get problems with sata disk
[09:46] <WeirdAl> spiral -- ask everyone :-) cheers
[09:47] <WeirdAl> 'cause TBH I don't know.
[09:47] <jefis> it must be GUI for iptables ://////
[09:48] <spiral> so... Anyone has any idea for my laptop wich doesn't well work on an ubuntu ? sk98lin, sata, hotplug, pcmcia...
[09:49] <jefis> spiral: what doesn't work?
[09:49] <EddieX> spiral, what happends?
[09:49] <spiral> jefis, EddieX sk98lin not working for my card...
[09:49] <spiral> hotplug freezes
[09:49] <spiral> pcmcia freezes
[09:50] <spiral> sound doesn't work
[09:50] <jefis> :)
[09:50] <jefis> pray :)
[09:50] <EddieX> spiral, have you checked dmesg for any errors or in the logs?
[09:50] <spiral> EddieX: it doesn't even boot if I don't kill hotplug...
[09:51] <amittp> I have toshiba laptop which has ipw2200 module loaded for my wireless card, i see it when i do lsmod, but gnome wireless icon shows.. no devices
[09:51] <EddieX> spiral, On my laptop i have to inactivate the acpi + apic. Have you tried that?
[09:51] <amittp> do i have to set it up in some ways? How do i view th profiles available?
[09:51] <Bazzi-> amittp what does iwconfig say?
[09:52] <amittp> shows eth1
[09:52] <invitado_> ola
[09:52] <spiral> EddieX: yes :-/
[09:52] <jefis> How to check iptables is runing or not?
[09:52] <Bazzi-> amittp as wireless device?
[09:52] <amittp> unassiciated ESSID off/any
[09:52] <Bazzi-> ah
[09:52] <Bazzi-> add the essid then
[09:52] <amittp> Using?
[09:52] <Timbo> jefis: iptables -L
[09:52] <Bazzi-> iwconfig.
[09:52] <amittp> I thought it can be dome graphically
[09:53] <Bazzi-> it can
[09:53] <amittp> oh i was unaware of that. I was looking thorugh ifconfig
[09:53] <Bazzi-> in one of those network windows in gnome
[09:53] <amittp> Ok
[09:53] <EddieX> spiral, hmm to bad that it act that way
[09:53] <whiskers> if they do try to get autopackage working who is going to create all the new repositories
[09:53] <ThreeDayMonk> I have a working Ubuntu machine.  I also have an old notebook with no CD drive that I'd like to install Ubuntu onto.  I have a USB adapter that I can use to access the notebook's HDD directly.  How would you recommend I install onto the notebook?
[09:54] <amittp> Ok one more question, does ubuntu has cisco vpn client ?
[09:54] <spiral> has anyone got any idea how I could use it ?
[09:54] <spiral> amittp: vpnc...
[09:54] <thor|afk> whiskers: autopackage is designed for third party apps - hence no repositories as such
[09:54] <amittp> spiral ty :)
[09:56] <kerskine> howdy - is there an expanded radio list somewhere that I can import into Rhythmbox?
[09:57] <topyli> ah, that i would like to know too :)
[09:57] <glev> #ubuntu-fr
[09:58] <kerskine> yeah - I need to have some death/thrash metal music for when I do my taxes
[09:58] <topyli> make that 30 even :)
[09:58] <EddieX> kerskine, shoutcast.com ?
[09:59] <wefadg> hi guys
[09:59] <Keizer> How can I get my external monitor to work in Ubuntu?
[09:59] <Keizer> I just plugged it up.
[09:59] <kerskine> EddieX: yeah - but can I import their listing?
[09:59] <thoreauputic> topyli: I use streamtuner for preference (it's virtually my default music app)
[09:59] <EddieX> kerskine, I have no idea :)
[10:00] <wefadg> I am trying different distros, but I must say Ubuntu community is the best people on Earth
[10:00] <wefadg> other communities
[10:00] <wefadg> are rather unfriendly when it's about beginners
[10:00] <thoreauputic> topyli: you could specify rhythmbox instead of xmms in the streamtuner prefs
[10:00] <topyli> thoreauputic: yeah. one player to rule them all would be nice though
[10:00] <thoreauputic> topyli: I think amarok is the leader there
[10:00] <topyli> thoreauputic: all right, that might be a good idea!
[10:01] <Keizer> thoreauputic, You using a laptop?
[10:01] <Keizer> I need to know how to get my external monitor to work
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Keizer: not this minute
[10:01] <Keizer> I don't want to reboot.
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Keizer: I have an iBook though
[10:01] <Keizer> I plugged up my monitor and the output is not going to it.
[10:01] <Keizer> My laptop has a podunk 15" screen.
[10:01] <Keizer> I have a 19" monitor plugged up to it.
[10:02] <topyli> thoreauputic: so here's what i do. i do as you say and make rb the streamtuner default. when i find a good station, i just bookmark it in rb. in six months i can uninstall tuner again :)
[10:02] <BabyTux> Have anyone had any problems getting picture from xvid and divx files in VLC (hoary) with a ATI Radeon 9600 card? Could the graphicscard be the problme?
[10:02] <whiskers> thoreauputic, why leave autopackage for 3rd party...why not have many stuff installable/uninstallable
[10:03] <thoreauputic> topyli: heh - that's one way, yeah :)
[10:03] <thully> hi - anyone here know why netapplet crashes on logout so often?  can this issue be fixed?
[10:03] <thoreauputic> whiskers: why break apt?
[10:03] <topyli> thoreauputic: in six months half my bookmars will be dead though :)
[10:03] <bur[n] er> topyli: and you'll submit your nice big radio list with the next rhytmbox? :)
[10:04] <whiskers> thoreauputic, well it is not my desire...i just watch what goes on...but i don't try to run anyone else's business
[10:04] <whiskers> thoreauputic, but i think it is a good idea
[10:04] <topyli> bur[n] er: sure. but net radio is a moving target
[10:04] <pc03> babytux.. most probably a codec problem
[10:04] <thoreauputic> autopackage is a good step on the whole: it has a way to go IMO
[10:05] <bur[n] er> topyli: so true... i miss winamp :\
[10:05] <BabyTux> pc03: Have tried removing and installing w32codecs many times.. Nothing seems to help. Any ideas?
[10:05] <bur[n] er> or even itunes
[10:05] <afrosheen> itunes..yuck
[10:05] <whiskers> thoreauputic, well you know..for example...suppose you could not make up your mind between the latest gimp or an earlier gimpshop....so you might want to install/uninstall either to check them out
[10:05] <pc03> babytux.. you were using vlc right?
[10:05] <BabyTux> Yes
[10:06] <BabyTux> gvlc
[10:06] <bur[n] er> itunes at least doesn't make duplicates like in rb :\
[10:06] <thoreauputic> whiskers: I tried 2 autopackages - they installed fine but one collided with an existing apt-get install when I tried to uninstall it
[10:06] <Javiera_18> Who plays to hattrick on line it sends private?
[10:06] <afrosheen> personally I use streamtuner/streamripper and amarok
[10:06] <whiskers> thoreauputic, oh...i see the problem.
[10:06] <pc03> babytux.. i also continue having probs.. but with totem-xine... with some files the sound is really  bad
[10:07] <pc03> ill install gxine to see if i can get it going
[10:07] <airmikey> when i try to build gnome python,i get this error   error: maybe you want the gtk-gnome-1-2 branch?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> whiskers: I told them about it - they are working on integrating better
[10:07] <Keizer> How can I get my external monitor working?
[10:07] <BabyTux> Now it's finally working.. I just ran apt-get upgrade.. And it stardet working.. wierd
[10:07] <Javiera_18> Who plays to hattrick on line it sends private?
[10:07] <Keizer> How can I get my external monitor working without reboot?
[10:07] <whiskers> thoreauputic, ok...well maybe it is too early
[10:07] <Keizer> I don't want to reboot
[10:07] <Keizer> Please
[10:07] <BabyTux> pc03, Sorry yo bother you
[10:08] <topyli> sound-juicer should probably only ship with free (cc) tunes though
[10:08] <BabyTux> yo=to
[10:08] <ploum> hello
[10:08] <thoreauputic> whiskers: but I agree it's a good idea
[10:08] <pc03> babytux.. no worries! wish i could help
[10:08] <ploum> Soundjuicer is segfaulting here on a fresh hoary
[10:08] <seb128> lu ploum
[10:08] <thoreauputic> whiskers: especially for new converts :)
[10:08] <ploum> hello seb128 !
[10:08] <BabyTux> pc03, I probably need some more help one day, you can help me then!=)
[10:08] <seb128> ploum: need a backtrace
[10:08] <WeirdAl> Right, I added /data/everyone to smb.conf and restarted samba but I still can't get in. Says not found
[10:09] <WeirdAl> /data/everyone is 777
[10:09] <thoreauputic> Keizer: have you tried turning it off and on?
[10:10] <lexhw> hello all
[10:10] <fvwm> hi
[10:10] <lexhw> any experience installing ubuntu on hp compaq nc6000 laptop ?
[10:10] <WeirdAl> so it should be smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/data/everyone shouldn't it?
[10:11] <kbrooks> Linux-Newb, meh
[10:11] <Linux-Newb> hallo
[10:11] <kbrooks> Linux-Newb, you REALLY a linux noob?
[10:11] <Linux-Newb> ja
[10:11] <Xgates> well after 5 years as a slackere when 5.04 goes final I might just be dumping Slack, hehe getting tired of compiling my own apps and not much time for it anymore
[10:11] <Xgates> hehe
[10:11] <lexhw> hi burner any tips / tricks or did install work o.k.
[10:12] <Xgates> slackere/slacker....
[10:12] <Linux-Newb> sind deutsche hier?
[10:12] <afrosheen> nein
[10:12] <Linux-Newb> oder muss ich englisch schreiben?
[10:12] <afrosheen> jawohl
[10:12] <Linux-Newb> ahso
[10:12] <Linux-Newb> gut
[10:12] <kbrooks> Linux-Newb, ummm
[10:12] <Linux-Newb> yna dann
[10:12] <WeirdAl> :-\
[10:12] <kbrooks> Linux-Newb, are you on ubuntu?
[10:12] <Keizer> thoreauputic, The laptop?
[10:12] <kbrooks> PLEASE use english when you chat to me.....ty
[10:13] <Linux-Newb> im on kanotix live cd but i have ubuntu warty warthog 4 installed on harddisk
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Linux-Newb: /join #ubuntu-de  ?
[10:13] <Keizer> thoreauputic, I tried turning the monitor off and on
[10:13] <Keizer> Maybe I should restart my laptop
[10:13] <Keizer> But I don't want to
[10:13] <Keizer> It takes forever
[10:13] <pc03> Linux-Newb try #ubuntu-de
[10:13] <Linux-Newb> join #ubuntu-de
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Keizer: hmm
[10:13] <libben> ive installed flashplayer-mozilla from synaptic... and restarted x and fireforx.... and still it tells me i need to download plugin... and i click it and it wont find it... only manual bla bla  =)
[10:13] <libben> how?
[10:14] <Keizer> thoreauputic, What program can I probe for the monitor with?
[10:14] <lexhw> l8r
[10:14] <thoreauputic> Keizer: maybe "discover"
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Keizer: /sbin/discover (seems to be installed by default)
[10:15] <tritium> ddcprobe ?
[10:15] <Linux-Newb> how can i get root access in ubuntu?
[10:15] <bur[n] er> Linux-Newb: sudo su
[10:15] <apokryphos> Linux-Newb: Ubuntu uses sudo
[10:16] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Linux-Newb ubusudo
[10:16] <Pyre> Linux-Newb: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:16] <thully> sudo -s, actually, for root shell
[10:16] <Keizer> thoreauputic, What do I do after that?
[10:16] <apokryphos> or sudo bash
[10:16] <thully> or sudo commandname for a command
[10:16] <bur[n] er> u can always do "sudo passwd; set the root password, then su"
[10:16] <Linux-Newb> ok
[10:16] <thoreauputic> Keizer: just run it
[10:16] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: no need ;-)
[10:16] <WeirdAl> Anyone fix my network?
[10:16] <WeirdAl> PC A can't see PC B
[10:17] <WeirdAl> says invalid path, but I checked everything.
[10:17] <Keizer> thoreauputic, I ran it three times heh
[10:17] <obe1> in ubuntu, when apt-get installs something, where does it put the deb files? :)
[10:17] <tritium> /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:17] <WeirdAl> 17301: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)
[10:17] <WeirdAl> SMB connection failed
[10:17] <whiskers> thoreauputic, i found it best to just try to be aware...but stay out of everybody's businesses and let them do what they want to do
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Keizer: I don't know...  try ` sudo discover ` then :)
[10:17] <WeirdAl> Does that mean the wrong path or the wrong PC?
[10:17] <obe1> tritium: thanks
[10:18] <tritium> np
[10:18] <WeirdAl> I can ping it.
[10:18] <WeirdAl> And the deamons are running :-(
[10:18] <Bazzi> wrong share :p
[10:18] <Bazzi> does \\IP work?
[10:18] <kbrooks> whiskers, er
[10:19] <kbrooks> whiskers, "stay out of everybody's businesses"?
[10:19] <kbrooks> hm?
[10:19] <thoreauputic> whiskers: not sure why you are telling me this, but yeah, I guess that's a good way to be :)
[10:19] <obe1> tritium: hey do you know a "Chris Gniady"?
[10:19] <WeirdAl> It's not whining, bazz
[10:19] <whiskers> kbrooks, well i espouse a philosophy that works for me....just try to be aware of your environment....but don't force anything on anybody....i let them do what they want to do.
[10:19] <tritium> obe1, no, why?
[10:20] <jefis> i am configuring iptables, and input is for other users to connect to my pc?
[10:20] <WeirdAl> But neither is it showing
[10:20] <jefis> wright?
[10:20] <tritium> obe1, how would I know him?
[10:20] <drdnl> does anyone here own an intel 2011B network card?
[10:21] <kbrooks> heh
[10:21] <obe1> tritium: oh, he just got his Phd from purdue, and i am a phd student at university of arizona, and we took him out a bunch of days around tucson, he gave a talk here and a faculty candidate... his email ends in ecn.purdue.edu...
[10:21] <kbrooks> i added a ... few sources
[10:22] <tritium> obe1, what field?
[10:23] <obe1> oh, you know what, I think electrical engineering, not CS, but he was applying for a CS professor job...
[10:23] <WeirdAl> damnit, I give up
[10:23] <WeirdAl> This computer will not see that computer.
[10:23] <tritium> obe1, I'm an EE PhD candidate as well
[10:23] <libben> can u remove all the files in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[10:24] <tritium> libben, yes, apt-get clean
[10:24] <libben> or does the deb file needs to lay there?
[10:24] <libben> why dont synaptic do this auto?
[10:24] <libben> after it installed a package
[10:24] <thoreauputic> libben: because sometimes a reinstall is nice to have handy
[10:25] <WeirdAl> anyone know a GUI FTP server I can install?
[10:25] <libben> yeah... but download the package again?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> libben: if an app misbehaves
[10:25] <libben> WeirdAl, Gftp
[10:25] <WeirdAl> sounds good. cheers
[10:25] <thoreauputic> libben: not everyone has good bandwidth
[10:25] <libben> true. not me =)
[10:25] <jefis> someone ping me ( <IP_ADDRESS> ) and says you can resolv me :)
[10:25] <libben> got 60 kb sec =)
[10:25] <afrosheen> libben: gftp is a server? thought it was a client
[10:25] <libben> and 10 up =)
[10:25] <ThreeDayMonk> How can I tell the installer to install only 586-level packages even when installing on a P4?
[10:26] <libben> afrosheen, gftp is a client
[10:26] <libben> not a server
[10:26] <thoreauputic> libben: heh - I have 5kb down and 3 up on a *good* day ;-)
[10:26] <libben> thoreauputic, ur on modem =(
[10:26] <WeirdAl> dammit libben :-(
[10:26] <libben> no cable in the area?
[10:26] <WeirdAl> I went and installed it too
[10:26] <thoreauputic> libben: good guess :-)
[10:26] <afrosheen> WeirdAl was asking for a SERVER :)
[10:26] <spiral> 0000:02:00.0 0200: 11ab:4351 (rev 10)
[10:26] <spiral> this is my network card id
[10:26] <libben> he was?
[10:26] <libben> lol
[10:26] <afrosheen> haha yeah
[10:26] <WeirdAl> Oh well, I can use the one I installed on this PC to access the server on that PC.
[10:27] <libben> i read it to fast then =)
[10:27] <spiral> does anyone here know how I can get it working ?
[10:27] <WeirdAl> No harm done: bound to need it at some point.
[10:27] <WeirdAl> Any ideas? Might trawl sourceforge...
[10:27] <ulisse> Hi all
[10:27] <WeirdAl> lo
[10:27] <libben> hmm... server ftp with gui
[10:27] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: I use a combination of webmin for the gui and proftp for the server
[10:28] <WeirdAl> Does webmin interface with proftp?
[10:28] <WeirdAl> So I can set up proftp using webmin/
[10:28] <WeirdAl> CBA with command lines and conf files.
[10:28] <WeirdAl> :-)
[10:28] <libben> WeirdAl, apt-cache search server | grep ftp
[10:28] <WeirdAl> win
[10:28] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: yeah
[10:29] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: hit webmin.com and have a look around, it can control everything
[10:29] <libben> lol
[10:29] <WeirdAl> haha... my username is boy for some reason, and the terminal popped up while I was typing "hello"
[10:29] <libben> my var/cache/apt was huge =)
[10:29] <WeirdAl> Now it says "hellboy@laptop"
[10:29] <WeirdAl> O_o
[10:29] <i3dmaster> /charset utf-8
[10:29] <thoreauputic> i3dmaster: umm...you shouldn't IRC as root
[10:30] <libben> i run iso-8859-15 on this irc
[10:30] <afrosheen> a dude at IBM irc'ing as root..omg
[10:30] <libben> damn those mircers =) and swedish lang =)
[10:30] <jefis> Please anyone ping me, and say i replyed or not: <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:30] <WeirdAl> I think I'll do what afro sats
[10:30] <WeirdAl> says
[10:30] <afrosheen> jefis: dest unreachable
[10:31] <jefis> yes :)
[10:31] <jefis> good :)
[10:31] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: yeah it's probably as easy as it gets
[10:31] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: wait one second..I seem to remember a nice graphical config tool...
[10:31] <topyli> jefis: Ping reply from jefis: 0.98 second(s)
[10:31] <topyli> in xchat :)
[10:31] <Xappe> libben: well, you *can* run different character encodings for different networks
[10:31] <WeirdAl> I'm waiting.
[10:31] <libben> Xappe, yeah i noticed in the server menu
[10:31] <jefis> i am trying to use KmyFirewall to build my firewall :)
[10:31] <WeirdAl> Poised on the save-as button in Firefox
[10:31] <jefis> it's pretty good
[10:32] <topyli> jefis: real ping fails
[10:32] <Lain82> Hello, I want to know if a graphical configurator tool exist on Ubuntu ( sorry for my bad english ...)
[10:32] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: yeah forget webmin/proftpd, there is a gui server
[10:32] <kent> Lain82, the answere depends on what you want to configure?
[10:32] <thoreauputic> afrosheen: sort of makes you wonder who IBM are hiring these days....
[10:33] <WeirdAl> oh aye?
[10:33] <kent> Lain82, for network, users, printers, programs etc (and a lot of other things) there is graphical configuration.
[10:33] <Lain82> My Hardware ( as Yast ...)
[10:33] <jefis> what is FORWARD chain at iptables?
[10:34] <topyli> Lain82: your hardware should work. if it doesn't, it's a bug
[10:34] <WeirdAl> afrosheen: don't leave me guessing :-O!
[10:34] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: I'm googling..totally forgot the name of the package
[10:34] <WeirdAl> ah right
[10:34] <WeirdAl> cheers :-)
[10:34] <mcphail> WeirdAl: I think pyftpd might work
[10:34] <jefis> what is FORWARD chain at iptables?
[10:35] <Lain82> topyli:  my sagem 800 ... hum. It don't work
[10:35] <topyli> Lain82: what's that?
[10:35] <WeirdAl> That's a phone isn't it?
[10:35] <kent> Lain82, whats that? :)
[10:36] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: ok got it
[10:36] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: install proftpd and gproftpd, the gui frontend :)
[10:37] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: gproftpd is here http://mange.dynup.net/linux.html
[10:37] <WeirdAl> aah pro
[10:37] <Artemis3> i think its a pos USB dsl modem
[10:37] <topyli> the sagem thing?
[10:37] <Artemis3> yes
[10:38] <topyli> those are not supposed to work. no bug :)
[10:38] <Artemis3> hmm
[10:38] <topyli> Lain82: if Artemis3 is right, your modem is designed not to work with linux
[10:38] <Artemis3> there seems to be a model with ethernet
[10:39] <kent> usb- adsl modems need some library to work right? I remember trying to get it to work for my brothers computer with such a modem. The needed library is not in Ubuntu main, and its impossible to fetch it from the internet without a working usb modem :(
[10:39] <Artemis3> but its another model it seems
[10:39] <thoreauputic> kent: heh- a nice catch 22 :)
[10:40] <afrosheen> usb adsl..ugh
[10:40] <afrosheen> too cheap to put an ethernet jack on the modem or what
[10:40] <Artemis3> most are "soft" modems
[10:40] <Artemis3> so you can figure it out...
[10:40] <topyli> at work they gave me a box with a weird ethernet card and i couldn't install woody on it because of that
[10:40] <afrosheen> yeah winmodem debacle lives on
[10:40] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: where "soft" == "brain-dead", right?
[10:41] <kent> thoreauputic, eciadsl is the library. I googled about it. The usb adsl modem my brother had needed that library, and it was not in Ubuntu main (warty).  I think that library is what most usb adsl modems needs.
[10:41] <Artemis3> SAGEM Fast 800 USB modem seems to have vendor supplied "linux" drivers
[10:41] <radikal1> does ubuntu have any sort of utility to aid in setting up a sound card?
[10:41] <radikal1> i just installed ubuntu but i have no sound
[10:42] <afrosheen> radikal1: check all your mixer settings first
[10:42] <radikal1> afrosheen: I get an error when I try to play something with xmms that says my sound card isn't configured correctly
[10:42] <Panquekas> do you know when hoary will come? 15 days? I want to know :P
[10:42] <Artemis3> yes, dumb winmodem like
[10:42] <kent> radikal1, it should be detected automaticly.  as afrosheen says, it seems most of the times the sound seems not to work, its becaus some mixers is muted :(
[10:43] <afrosheen> radikal1: if that's the issue, you'll need to dig a little deepr
[10:43] <thoreauputic> afrosheen: try selecting the esd output plugin in xmms
[10:43] <Artemis3> there is also a chinese and alcatel usb and who knows who else is going to give those "things" for free
[10:43] <radikal1> afrosheen: that's why I was wondering if there was any sort of setup utility for sound cards
[10:43] <Artemis3> the next youll see is onboard -_-
[10:44] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: "approved for WinXP"
[10:44] <topyli> Panquekas: more like 3 days
[10:44] <Artemis3> an p4 (couse you have to give an use to that expensive cpu right?) -_-!
[10:45] <Panquekas> topyli, cool! =)
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: yeah, too many spare cpu cycles - might as well chew a few of them
[10:45] <awb4422> since alsaconf isn't included in hoary, how can i detect my sound card?
[10:45] <topyli> Panquekas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[10:46] <Artemis3> winmodem, winprinter, winscanner, winetc.
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: coming soon - WinBIOS
[10:46] <Panquekas> topyli, thnk :)
[10:48] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  thay allready have that its the bios that has win3.1 in it
[10:48] <ScHiZo> sup
[10:48] <ScHiZo> anybody active?
[10:50] <oklinux> does ubuntu have k3b ?
[10:50] <t3rror> where is a decent place that i can talk about gdesklets?  i also need a little information about it
[10:50] <Xappe> hehe
[10:50] <t3rror> oklinux > not by default, but you can apt-get it
[10:50] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, perhaps the answer should be put in the topic? :p
[10:50] <EvilIdler> thoreauputic: Stick it in the topic, and you'll reduce the invasion by 10% :)
[10:50] <Xappe> thoreauputic: then you should start working on the auto answer script right away :)
[10:51] <thoreauputic> people like that *read* the topic? *g*
[10:51] <EvilIdler> thoreauputic: 10% of them do..
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Xappe: yeah, the script is a good idea :)
[10:51] <ScHiZo> got a quick question: when I download the live iso and I burn it on any cd it says that the cd or dvd is corrupt when trying to load the live image...anybody knows whats up?
[10:51] <whiteknight> hope fully that 10% will be a lot of people
[10:52] <zenrox> ScHiZo,  burn slower
[10:52] <Artemis3> and these old sis integrated video cards which not only taxed onboard memory bot lots of cpu
[10:52] <whiteknight> i sadly won't be around to watch the carnage on saturday :)
[10:52] <ScHiZo> oke zenrox I'll try that
[10:53] <Artemis3> what carnage, a torrent serves em all ;)
[10:53] <Artemis3> but the ubuntuguide should be ready...
[10:54] <Artemis3> (i hope ^^)
[10:54] <EvilIdler> Artemis3: Not enough people have been enlightened about torrents
[10:54] <whiteknight> yeah but who reads the guides ;-)
[10:54] <Artemis3> easy, release torrent only first
[10:54] <Artemis3> that will do ^^
[10:55] <whiskers> what a strange coincidence
[10:55] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: I think a cron script with the ubutuguide URl would be an idea, set for an interval of about 30 seconds for those with short attention spans ;-)
[10:55] <whiskers> i went to get clamav because i decided to compile it for win98
[10:55] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  30 sec would get anoyying at night
[10:55] <whiskers> and someone already did...they call it clamwin
[10:55] <Artemis3> how about the topic?
[10:55] <zenrox> try 2 mins
[10:55] <Keizer> Windows 98 is the ultimate gaming platform.
[10:55] <ScHiZo> zenrox is 8x slow enough?
[10:55] <thoreauputic> zenrox: I was joking :)
[10:55] <zenrox> ScHiZo,  should be
[10:55] <ScHiZo> tnx
[10:55] <whiskers> Keizer, well win98 is a sunk cost for me
[10:56] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  and i was maken a mockery
[10:56] <Artemis3> oi zenrox did you check your iso is not corrupt?
[10:56] <whiskers> Keizer, so i try to make good use of it
[10:56] <Artemis3> er
[10:56] <Artemis3> i mean ScHiZo
[10:56] <zenrox> ya
[10:57] <Keizer> Sucks to be a whore
[10:57] <apokryphos> Artemis3: releasing the torrent first might actually be a great idea. Have you thought of suggesting that?
[10:57] <apokryphos> Torrents are unustly neglected
[10:57] <oklinux> how do I run apt-get ?
[10:57] <Artemis3> if your image is corrupt, open the torrent, close it, copy your image where the torrent put the file, (and be sure it has the same name) reopen torrent, image fixed :)
[10:57] <apokryphos> oklinux: apt-get install <packagename>. See man apt-get for more info
[10:57] <thoreauputic> oklinux: depends what you want it to do :)
[10:58] <Artemis3> yes im suggesting that all the time here ;)
[10:58] <oklinux> I wnat to get k3b for cd burning software
[10:58] <apokryphos> Artemis3: to any of the powers that be?
[10:58] <Artemis3> dunno if they read
[10:58] <Artemis3> hehehe
[10:58] <whiskers> k3b is a nice program i like it a  lot on kde.
[10:59] <whiskers> but gnomebaker is also nice
[10:59] <kent> oklinux, the easyest way to do it is to open synaptic. Make sure you have universe amongs the places to fetch programs from (read about it in the wiki on http://ubuntu.com) and then search for k3b and install it. Its not hard to do.
[10:59] <apokryphos> oklinux: you'll actually need to do some extra stuff for K3B and MP3s -> Audio CD at the mo, but we can help you through it
[10:59] <zenrox> whiskers, aswell as graveman
[11:00] <whiskers> zenrox, well graveman works but does not burn dvds it only burns an image
[11:00] <ScHiZo> artemis how can I check my iso?
[11:00] <chris_d> Any hints on a graphical pptp client management tool?
[11:00] <whiskers> zenrox, but gnomebaker burns all the files
[11:00] <zenrox> whiskers,  but it does take the sting out of usuing the cli for maken an iso
[11:00] <libben> why is ubuntu packed with nautilus-cd-burner if it gets used by anyone?
[11:01] <topyli> i really hope coaster will be ready one day. i'd like to get rid of cdrecord
[11:01] <whiskers> zenrox, yes....absolutely....and the heck with regular expressions
[11:01] <zenrox> lol
[11:01] <thoreauputic> libben: it's convenient for data and iso burning
[11:01] <topyli> libben: i use it all the time
[11:01] <kent> libben, you meen if its NOT used?  Well, I use it time to time. Its very easy to burn iso images with. Just rightclick and select burn :)
[11:02] <Artemis3> it seems the right tool for end users (as long as it works)
[11:02] <thoreauputic> ScHiZo: md5sum
[11:02] <libben> I only burn dvd's with my burner.. from .img files and iso files... will nautilus support that?
[11:02] <typo> does anyone know why ubuntu's python "crypt" module doesn't work?
[11:02] <zenrox> libben,  only the iso's
[11:03] <WeirdAl> Hey, um... I'm trying to build gproftpd but it's telling me it can't find the package gtk+-2.0
[11:03] <kent> Is it true what I read on Davyds homepage about G12 and the nameing of future Gnome releases? That is, that it will be called G12, and not Gnome 2.12? Just wondering..  I didn't understand most of the stuff from April 1st, if it was a joke or not :(
[11:03] <ScHiZo> Where can I find the md5sum for the live iso? On the site I can only find a txt with md5sums, wich my sfv/md5 checker doesn't support.
[11:03] <Artemis3> eh? what checker you use?
[11:03] <zenrox> kent,  a joke
[11:04] <Artemis3> md5 is what you need
[11:04] <kent> WeirdAl, and you have checked that you have the libgtk+-2.0-devel packages? not sure if its named like that, but search for it with synaptic.
[11:04] <topyli> ScHiZo: get the md5sum of your iso, then compare that with the string in the text file
[11:04] <topyli> by eyeball
[11:05] <ScHiZo> well if you download the file on this page: http://stuwww.uvt.nl/ubuntu/5.04/MD5SUMS then you get a md5sums.txt file which isn't support by flash sfv.  I'll ask again if that didn't work.
[11:07] <WeirdAl> :-)
[11:07] <ScHiZo> oke in the txt file I see this checksum: 21debcfa2d379063c0d5c2e6bf73dca7  hoary-rc-live-i386.iso
[11:07] <holycow> EvilIdler, i'm in heaven.  this is absolutely the right way to create a worksapace
[11:07] <topyli> holycow: you can enable the "help agent" in openoffice though if you ever miss Clippy ;)
[11:07] <holycow> for me anyway
[11:08] <ScHiZo> in my md5 file I see this checksum: ; Using hkSFV on 04.05.2005 at 23:06:51
[11:08] <ScHiZo> ; http://www.big-o-software.com
[11:08] <ScHiZo> ;
[11:08] <ScHiZo> ;/----
[11:08] <ScHiZo> ;    585699138 20:53.02 2005-04-05 hoary-rc-live-i386.iso
[11:08] <ScHiZo> ;\----
[11:08] <holycow> topyli, haha :) thanks for that tip
[11:08] <ScHiZo> ;
[11:08] <ScHiZo> 94d5bb20fa7da3464bac656a4354690b *hoary-rc-live-i386.iso
[11:08] <ScHiZo>  that would mean that my iso is corrupt right?
[11:08] <EvilIdler> holycow: I prefer XFCE, but that still uses the innards of Gnome for neatness
[11:08] <Artemis3> noooo
[11:08] <Artemis3> thats the sfv
[11:08] <libben> when i type the sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, the only thing that does is to replace the 'nv' line with 'nvidia' so its not nescesary to type that and just edit the xorg.conf for urself ?
[11:08] <Artemis3> tell your program to make md5sum
[11:09] <topyli> ScHiZo: 94d5bb20fa7da3464bac656a4354690b is the md5sum
[11:09] <thoreauputic> ScHiZo: don't flood the channel, please
[11:09] <libben> fuck ... .63 new updates =)
[11:09] <libben> i just updated like an hour ago =)
[11:09] <tony> I dont understand the startup system of ubuntu. How do I automatically load a module on bootup?  I tried adding to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, but that was a no go.
[11:09] <kent> WeirdAl, Usually there is a few *devel packages that needs to be installed. Gtk, Gnome etc.  But the configure script will tell you which.. just search for them in synaptic and you should be ok.
[11:09] <topyli> libben: same here :)
[11:09] <tony> modprobe.conf seems.. absent in hoary.
[11:09] <spanglesontoast> I've just loaded xchat speak
[11:09] <spanglesontoast> but I'm wondering how to select which speakers it comes through on
[11:10] <ScHiZo> sorry thoreauputic, but I don't know how to copy paste something without getting it automaticly dumped into several different lines
[11:10] <Artemis3> haha
[11:10] <thoreauputic> ScHiZo: use #flood
[11:10] <libben> hola... xterm included this time =) i want ATERM =)
[11:10] <Artemis3> hmm
[11:10] <ScHiZo> tnx topyli, is that also the md5 checksum it should be?      ----oh tnx thoreauputic...this will come in handy :)
[11:10] <libben> well... no diffrence to talk about =)
[11:10] <mainer> chris_d: google  pptpconfig
[11:11] <topyli> tony: i guess it's spread out into little files in modprobe.d?
[11:11] <whiskers> but i tell you i have two dvd burners one hp and one clone...and i hate the hp burning software....i like the nero express than came with my other burner
[11:11] <thoreauputic> WTF - i3dmaster why are you CTCP ing the whole channel??
[11:11] <francisco> hi :)
[11:11] <topyli> ScHiZo: no idea. look at the text file you got from the download site
[11:11] <Artemis3> i was wondering that too
[11:11] <francisco> how can i install KDE on my ubuntu 4.1?
[11:11] <tony> topyli, I guess the answer is in that directory, but dunno what exactly.
[11:11] <whiskers> i like the hp burner but i hate their software
[11:12] <ScHiZo> hehe, oke then I guess it is a corrupt file, because they do not match...I'll try redownloading the file...to bad I knew this only after I burned the file again hehe. Tnx for helping out you guys!
[11:12] <zenrox> francisco,  update to hoary then kubuntu
[11:12] <Artemis3> ScHiZo: you should get fsum..
[11:12] <francisco> oh
[11:12] <matt__> how do i enable fast writes on my nvidia drivers.. which file in /etc/ has the module options
[11:12] <BeautifulAria> does anyone know a good program for burning data cds on ubuntu?
[11:12] <francisco> apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[11:12] <whiskers> BeautifulAria, yes i am using gnome baker and it is nice
[11:12] <whiskers> for ubuntu
[11:12] <spanglesontoast> anyone can help me?
[11:12] <matt__> gnomebaker rocks :)
[11:12] <caffinated> BeautifulAria: k3b
[11:12] <zenrox> francisco,  yep after you change all sources to hoary
[11:12] <Artemis3> gnome baker?
[11:13] <francisco> thanks :)
[11:13] <holycow> hey ... how oftend does the ubuntu kernel change?
[11:13] <francisco> I manually edit all that right :)
[11:13] <holycow> i'm upgrading and another image seems to be downloading
[11:13] <holycow> this is going to be hard on my nvidia drivers
[11:13] <whiskers> caffinated, k3b is also very nice...but you need kde and you might as well be running kubuntu instead of ubuntu
[11:13] <holycow> :)
[11:13] <zyga> holycow: recently - quite often ;]
[11:13] <ScHiZo> I'll check that fsum program out artemis
[11:13] <caffinated> whiskers: you need some KDE libraries, sure.  but that doesn't mean you need to run KDE.
[11:14] <samuel> hello all
[11:14] <holycow> zyga, any general way to look at the kernel? i thought it would be stock debian?
[11:14] <holycow> does sid kernel change that often?
[11:14] <snybole> Finally got everything to work, thanks to all who helped me :)
[11:14] <jc-denton> can somebody tell me in which file is /etc/sudoers
[11:14] <samuel> anyone here switched over from debian?
[11:14] <jc-denton> err in which package/
[11:14] <zyga> holycow: I'm not sure really, you can try to check debian.changelog
[11:14] <jc-denton> ?
[11:14] <holycow> samuel, i'm trying it out, so yes in a sense
[11:14] <lewwy> still cant get my davicom network card working
[11:14] <BeautifulAria> thank you, have a good day
[11:15] <holycow> zyga, okay good point
[11:15] <holycow> thanks
[11:15] <samuel> holycow: how do you like ubuntu? is it much different to debian?
[11:15] <samuel> to sid?
[11:15] <holycow> samuel, its just a stable snapshot of sid
[11:15] <topyli> jc-denton: sudo
[11:15] <zyga> samuel: It's got better installer ;]
[11:15] <holycow> with a few tiny/semi tiny changes
[11:15] <zyga> and alot of branding
[11:15] <holycow> some desktop settings like removing all icons from deskto pwhich i like
[11:16] <dave> hey, can anyone here give me some help?
[11:16] <holycow> what i don't like is that they eneabled everything for sudo
[11:16] <radikal1> does anyone have any ideas what to try after I've installed realplayer 10, and it doens't work?  It just sits there after I type realplay and does nothing
[11:16] <samuel> hmmmmm......
[11:16] <holycow> that means all you gotta do is trick a noob to run a bad bash script and his machine is yours
[11:16] <caffinated> holycow: i think that's logical.
[11:16] <holycow> we need to do something about that
[11:16] <topyli> holycow: i always did that on debian anyway :)
[11:16] <caffinated> sudo is better than using root all the time.
[11:16] <dave> im running a 9800 pro with the newest ubuntu, and im trying to get the screen resolution program to allow me to move past 1024x800 and get dual screen working
[11:16] <samuel> sounds like not really worth changing over from sid
[11:16] <dave> to my knowledge i installed the latest ati drivers
[11:16] <holycow> i only enable sudo for a few things i know very well
[11:16] <holycow> not EVERYTHING
[11:16] <Artemis3> make another user without admin
[11:17] <zyga> samuel: try the live cd
[11:17] <radikal1> the whole point of using ubuntu on this PC is so it is more user-friendly, so realplayer needs to work :)
[11:17] <zyga> samuel: It's much more in-place than debian was IMHO
[11:17] <holycow> caffinated, i understand why they did it and its fine
[11:17] <thoreauputic> holycow: this is an unending debate - there are opinions on both sides
[11:17] <dave> it doesn't seem user friendly to my ATI card :D
[11:17] <caffinated> holycow: besides, it's not like you can't get to your root account if you *really* need it.
[11:17] <topyli> samuel: i came from sid because ubuntu is stable, i.e. changes only two times a year :)
[11:17] <samuel> zyga: in-place??? what does that mean?
[11:17] <jc-denton> topyli: no it is not
[11:17] <holycow> maybe we need a policy editor with maybe som presets
[11:17] <jc-denton> topyli: thats why i asked
[11:17] <Artemis3> actually it is ATI and Nvidia who are unfriendly to the community
[11:17] <radikal1> dave: hehe yeah, it doesn't seem too user friendly to me yet either!
[11:17] <dave> i know, i know artemis
[11:17] <asian> hi
[11:18] <zyga> samuel: er.. well (not sure really), it feels better than debian did
[11:18] <dave> but the fact is, i can't find any documentation on how to get my dual screen setup working
[11:18] <jc-denton> topyli: do dpkg -L sudo | grep etc
[11:18] <topyli> jc-denton: no? hrm
[11:18] <dabi> how can i change device driver? i have a webcam but it has got wrong driver set automatically by ubuntu.. it works with different driver on mdk
[11:18] <dave> and if i can't get my graphics working, its back to windows for me
[11:18] <samuel> topyli: hahaha, i just broke my X-server on sid yesterday, so i thought that would be a good excuse to try it out
[11:18] <jc-denton> i tried apt-file but i didnt find it
[11:18] <zyga> samuel: it's more stable in some way too
[11:18] <holycow> caffinated, true, i don't want to flame about this today anyway, i will try to help out with some constructive way down the road
[11:18] <zyga> samuel: it's not just testing, it's trying to be stable while not outdated ;]
[11:18] <caffinated> holycow: oh, i don't really see it as a flame.
[11:18] <zyga> but that's my personal feeling
[11:19] <topyli> jc-denton: maybe it's created (by sudo) while you make your first user during base-config. dunno
[11:19] <asian> there is a VGA card specially made for Linux
[11:19] <holycow> k. :) just makin sure, you guys are too nice, i don't wanna pollute the chan accidentally even
[11:19] <radikal1> does anyone have any ideas on what to try with realplayer?  I've installed it, when i try to run it, it does absolutely nothing
[11:19] <zyga> radikal1: try mplayer instead
[11:19] <radikal1> dave:there are does on setting up multi-monitors with xorg
[11:19] <samuel> zyga: so its like in between testing and unstable?
[11:19] <dave> quick question: how do i edit the xorg.config file? even as root in the terminal i can't open it through the gui
[11:19] <radikal1> zyga: what if I need to play realvideo content?
[11:19] <whiskers> dave, what problem are you having
[11:19] <elem3nt> Hi! anyone willing to help me installing my usb-adsl modem?
[11:19] <zyga> samuel: it's like ubuntu, no unstable no testing - just ubuntu - users feel better this way
[11:19] <jc-denton> topyli: what are the settings for the default ubuntu user?
[11:19] <caffinated> holycow: people are bound to disagree on some elements of how the OS is set up.  It doesn't make you wrong, pre-se.
[11:19] <thoreauputic> holycow: heh- culture shock after #debian ? *grin*
[11:19] <libben> dave sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:19] <zyga> radikal1: then get realplayer libs?
[11:19] <dave> thanks libben
[11:19] <libben> and type your user password
[11:20] <Artemis3> teehehehe
[11:20] <libben> when it ask for it
[11:20] <radikal1> zyga ok i will try that
[11:20] <zyga> radikal1: you should get all the libs you want though
[11:20] <pauliukas> Hello everybody!
[11:20] <dabi> how can i change device driver? i have a webcam but it has got wrong driver set automatically by ubuntu..
[11:20] <zyga> radikal1: and recompile it yourself
[11:20] <topyli> jc-denton: sudo-wise. the first user is a member of the admin group, which is given full rights in sudoers
[11:20] <samuel> zyga: hmmm..... ubuntu huh?
[11:20] <radikal1> zyga: I want them all!
[11:20] <samuel> ok...
[11:20] <samuel> ill try it!
[11:20] <zyga> radikal1: you don't need them all ;-)
[11:20] <pauliukas> I'm just wondering... How can I specify a custom resolution
[11:21] <ThreeDayMonk> Grub question: If I have a disk that is too big for my BIOS, what's the best partitioning strategy to get the kernel to load?
[11:21] <jc-denton> sudo-wise?
[11:21] <zyga> pauliukas: edit your xorg.conf?
[11:21] <marska> Is there a CD-R burn program in Ubuntu?
[11:21] <topyli> samuel: go ahead, it's nice and works out of the box
[11:21] <libben> I want to get flash working in mozilla... so i downloaded the flashplayer-mozilla and ive even restarted the box... cause i did this morning before i went to sleep... so why aint flash working in ff? it still pops up, u need to download plugin.... anyone ?
[11:21] <zyga> marska: yes
[11:21] <libben> marska, yes
[11:21] <Artemis3> a small /boot partition
[11:21] <pauliukas> zyga, What if I'm... on the Live CD?
[11:21] <radikal1> zyga: well I want it to play all realaudio stuff
[11:21] <marska> Zyga: Under synaptic?
[11:21] <libben> nautilus-cd-burner
[11:21] <libben> its allready in marska
[11:21] <marska> Where do I access it?
[11:21] <asian> hi anyone have contact with ubuntu PowerPC developers?
[11:21] <pauliukas> I guess that xorg.conf is only executed when restarted?
[11:21] <ThreeDayMonk> Artemis3: thanks
[11:22] <zyga> pauliukas: then I'm not sure :-)
[11:22] <marska> Asian: Just use Debian
[11:22] <jc-denton> topyli: can you paste yours somewhere?
[11:22] <topyli> samuel: which is sort of sad because half the fun in a virgin debian installation is the set-it-up-so-it-works-for-you part :)
[11:22] <zyga> marska: gnome has cd burning built in
[11:22] <libben> marska, open a console and type naut and hit tab like 2,3 times
[11:22] <pauliukas> zyga, Seems that my old laptop HDD will have a use now.
[11:22] <pauliukas> Thanks for the help
[11:22] <topyli> jc-denton: sudoers? ok, join #flood
[11:22] <marska> Libben: No UI?
[11:22] <kent> Does not Apache allow to fetch files from /home?  Im running my own private webpage for personal stuff (diary etc), and would like to fetch pictures thar I archive in my home folder. It seems stupid to have the pictures on two places at one time.. :(
[11:22] <dabi> how can i change device driver? i have a webcam but it has got wrong driver set automatically by ubuntu..
[11:23] <zyga> pauliukas: it suxx on old hardware
[11:23] <hawke> kent: It needs to go in ~/public_html
[11:23] <libben> well... u can rightclick on files when ur browsing them from places and select burn
[11:23] <samuel> topyli: two questions: does it have synaptic and are debs interchangable?
[11:23] <hawke> kent: at least by default.
[11:23] <asian> Is this chat about debian or ubuntu?
[11:23] <zyga> pauliukas: I've got pentium 2 with 128MB and it's barely usable
[11:23] <pauliukas> Oh and, Does anyone know how to install the MN-520 wireless card on Ubuntu?
[11:23] <samuel> topyli: as in are debs interchangable between ubuntu and debian?
[11:23] <pauliukas> zyga, My laptop is an AMD 2500+ with 512mb or RAM
[11:23] <libben> hmm... or not =) i couldent select burn =)
[11:23] <pauliukas> I guess that's enough for Linux, is it?
[11:23] <zyga> pauliukas: try ndiswrapper if it's not supported out of the box
[11:23] <jc-denton> topyli: ok i did
[11:23] <libben> does it need to have a mounted blank in it?
[11:23] <zyga> pauliukas: then it's going to rock :-)
[11:24] <topyli> samuel: synaptic is the primary tool. all the debs are recompiled and put to ubuntu repos. it's nice
[11:24] <Artemis3> zyga: why not use xfce4 ?
[11:24] <pauliukas> hehe :-)
[11:24] <marska> Libben: Are there any special commands for burning ISO's?
[11:24] <pauliukas> zyga, I only uised Linux for servers so far
[11:24] <zyga> Artemis3: I'm using xdcmp to log into amd64 :-)
[11:24] <zyga> Artemis3: it's really snappy this way :>
[11:24] <dabi> how can i change devices driver?
[11:24] <asian> Wireless - try conexant wrapper
[11:24] <zyga> Artemis3: and I can work from my bed :>
[11:24] <Artemis3> oh..
[11:24] <lewwy_> goddamn netsplit
[11:24] <libben> marska, dont know... never burned with linux =) im gonna find a program to burn dvd's though =)
[11:24] <CompotatoJ> I accidentally did an rm -rf on a folder but frgt i had mounted a vfat hd to it, i cancelled after like 2 seconds is there any way to recover from the rm'ed files
[11:24] <topyli> jc-denton: got it?
[11:25] <zyga> pauliukas: good luck, I've got my wifi card working few days ago
[11:25] <Artemis3> i tho you meant using it in the console
[11:25] <marska> Libben: Well shit.. Why am I not using Windows again?
[11:25] <samuel> topyli: debs are recompiled? so if i have my own debs i will need to recompile them? or are they just recompiled for branding purposes?
[11:25] <pauliukas> zyga, Also... Does the Live CD take more RAM than the "real stuff"?
[11:25] <zyga> pauliukas: a bit
[11:25] <zyga> pauliukas: think filesystem
[11:25] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: no
[11:25] <pauliukas> zyga, Hmm... It's now using 250mb at only Xchat and 'top' opened...
[11:25] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, im totally screwed?
[11:25] <pauliukas> Err... I mean 300mb
[11:25] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, so it deleted some _forever_?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: short of major rescue expense, probably yes
[11:26] <ThreeDayMonk> how big does a /boot partition need to be?
[11:26] <topyli> samuel: they're recompiled on ubuntu to make sure they work. debian debs may work too (your own debs probably will), but it's all there in the ubuntu repos anyway
[11:26] <libben> marska, good q =) well... u can do this ive just checked it out
[11:26] <dabi> how can i change device driver? i have a webcam but it has got wrong driver set automatically by ubuntu..
[11:26] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, damn
[11:26] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: *nix does as it's told
[11:26] <pauliukas> ThreeDayMonk, As little as 10mb
[11:26] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, i hate that
[11:26] <marska> Libben: Burn a bootable ISO CD?
[11:26] <libben> u open ur home folder with gnomes "Places" button
[11:26] <zyga> pauliukas: gnome is weighty - real stuff works great
[11:26] <ThreeDayMonk> pauliukas: thanks
[11:26] <CompotatoJ> i hope i have a backup
[11:26] <L3th3M> hi someone
[11:26] <libben> marska, thnk so
[11:26] <libben> think
[11:26] <zyga> pauliukas: I'm typing this from amd 2000, 512
[11:26] <asian> use twm for lightweight gui
[11:26] <topyli> samuel: also, because ubuntu is frozen every six months and unstable is unstable you never know when unstable debs work and when not
[11:26] <marska> Ga'h...
[11:27] <theine> marska: right click the iso in nautilus and select "write to cd" or something
[11:27] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: you prefer an OS that doesn't do what you tell it to do?
[11:27] <marska> I really don't need a coaster.
[11:27] <pauliukas> zyga, Hmm. I though that Gnome was smaller than KDE!
[11:27] <Artemis3> gao~
[11:27] <zyga> pauliukas: it eats 214 with firefox lots of terminals and stuff
[11:27] <libben> if u put in a blank cd... and it will get mounted and pop up,... just drop the files onto it.
[11:27] <pauliukas> zyga, I like Gnome's "Mac Os X" look :-)
[11:27] <marska> Pauliukas: If your looking for small, try XFCE
[11:27] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, no, OMG thank linus! i have a backup!!!
[11:27] <samuel> topyli: ok, thanks for all the info... gonna go leave the download alone now, hopefully next time im in this chat its on an ubuntu distro
[11:27] <samuel> thanks again
[11:27] <libben> and rightclick in the box and select write to disc
[11:27] <holycow> another thing i realized, do you guys know that you can basically plug an ubuntu desktop into a windows workgrouped/domained (without ad... not sure just yet about that) environment and just go?
[11:27] <zyga> pauliukas: tought to say it varies with time really
[11:27] <holycow> this is amazing
[11:27] <L3th3M> anyone know about mono?
[11:27] <pauliukas> zyga, Any other Window managers that look nromal. That you would suggesst?
[11:27] <zyga> pauliukas: I'm not really using kde lately
[11:27] <tidalwav1> hi all
[11:27] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: aha - well done you :)
[11:28] <theine> marska: wait, you want to _create_ a bootable cd?
[11:28] <asian> Mono - DOT NET for Linux
[11:28] <tidalwav1> I cannot get the game stepmania running on my hoary installation
[11:28] <zyga> pauliukas: I only use gnome and fluxbox (not on ubuntu though)
[11:28] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, good thing my hd was failing, i made 2 backups
[11:28] <marska> theine: Yes... Burn a ISO to a CD so that I can boot off that CD.
[11:28] <topyli> jc-denton: you do know how _not_ to edit the sudoers file? :)
[11:28] <pauliukas> zyga, Ah ok
[11:28] <L3th3M> asian, do you use mono?
[11:28] <Arnia> .net is just a marketing name... mono is the ECMA Common Language Infrastructure for posix systems