[00:06] <ubotu> New bug: #190075 in libimage-exiftool-perl (universe) "Please sync libimage-exiftool-perl 7.00-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190075
[00:46] <ubotu> New bug: #190080 in ubuntu "HardyHeron/Alpha4 for i386 CD: ISOLINUX hangs at "loading . . ."" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190080
[00:56] <ubotu> New bug: #190081 in editmoin (universe) "editmoin crashed with IndexError in read_raw()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190081
[00:56] <ubotu> New bug: #190082 in rhythmbox (main) "itms browser-plugin uses firefox instead of xulrunner" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190082
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #190083 in glew (main) "Merge glew 1.5.0dfsg1-3 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190083
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #190086 in istanbul (universe) "istanbul crashed with SIGILL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190086
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #190085 in nautilus-sendto (main) "Please sponsor nautilus-sendto 0.13.2 (main) into Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190085
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #190087 in ubuntu "None of the TeX engines installed in texlive-full know where any of the fonts are" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190087
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #190088 in ubuntu "mcp55 dual nics detected but not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190088
[01:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190090 in jockey (main) "jockey blocks loading of the nvidia propriatary driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190090
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #190091 in meta-kde (main) "SYSTEM SETTING MONITOR AND DISPLAY  LIBPYTHON2.5.SO NOT FOUND IN PATHS in hardy herron" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190091
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #190092 in ubuntu "Some programs dont work in Wine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190092
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #190095 in ubuntu "Laptop hibernate correctly, but reboot instead shutdown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190095
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #190094 in ubiquity (main) "Third Installer Crash - Kubuntu 6.06.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190094
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #190100 in yelp (main) "Hardy Alpha 4 Real Player displays vertical bars" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190100
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #190102 in ubuntu "window Screens and Graphics is empty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190102
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #190104 in ubuntu "CPU Fan doesn't come on 'till the CPU temp is above 60C" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190104
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190106 in banshee (universe) "banshee.exe crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_alloc()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190106
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #190107 in linux-meta (main) "kernel <IP_ADDRESS>.21 for Gutsy fails to boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190107
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #190111 in gedit (main) "gedit could not display Chinese characters properly under en_US.UTF-8 environment" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190111
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #190112 in nautilus (main) "wrong order of reproduction on mp3 player" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190112
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190114 in evolution (main) "[Gutsy] evolution redownloads all pop3 mail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190114
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #190117 in synaptic (main) "Synaptic won't accept external drive sources disks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190117
[06:29] <Iulian> Good morning.
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #190119 in evolution (main) "Evoulution lost all appointments, tasks, notes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190119
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #190120 in gnome-system-monitor (main) "[hardy] Resources tab of g-s-m uses 100% CPU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190120
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #190124 in gnome-vfs-obexftp (main) "Couldn't display "obex://fa:ce:fe:ed:be:ef]"." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190124
[08:37] <ubotu> New bug: #190125 in util-linux (main) "mkdosfs segfault if enter invalid value for -b" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190125
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #190129 in ubuntu "screen resolution reset at maximum resolution at login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190129
[09:07] <ubotu> New bug: #190126 in ubuntu "main menu, new item does not receive focus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190126
[09:34] <ubotu> New bug: #190131 in picard (universe) "Please sync picard 0.9.0-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190131
[09:42] <ubotu> New bug: #190133 in kdevelop (universe) "[hardy] kdevelop needs libsvn-dev and libdb4.4-dev, but I can't install them same time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190133
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190136 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Menu item for Thunderbird should be "Thunderbird Mail/News" instead of "Mozilla Thunderbird Mail/News" for consistency with Firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190136
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190137 in gcstar (universe) "Please sync gcstar 1.3.2-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190137
[10:17] <ubotu> New bug: #190140 in flex (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190140
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #190142 in dhcp3 (main) "dhclient does'nt ask for the same address" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190142
[10:34] <ubotu> New bug: #190143 in ubuntu "no download possibile from a certain webside" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190143
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #190144 in ndiswrapper (main) "Wireless connection lost during heavy network load." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190144
[10:36] <afflux> bdmurray: Some weeks ago I got mails by LP saying my bugcontrol membership was about to expire. Anyway, after I got the final expiration mail, I'm still able to change importancies and view private bugs, and I'm still listed as a member of -bugcontrol. Is this intended?
[10:37] <afflux> bdmurray: Note that I'd reapply anyway ;)
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #187975 in ubuntu "Startup-Manager does not "show text" during boot Usplash theme alternates with alternating unsuccesful bootsplash occurences until login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187975
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190146 in firefox (main) "MASTER firefox crash with XML Parsing Error (RSS)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190146
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190147 in grub2 (universe) "grub2 error on grub-probe, does not boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190147
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #190148 in gnome-settings-daemon (main) "gnome-settings-daemon doesen't start without gnome-screensaver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190148
[11:06] <pedro_> morning!
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #190150 in compiz (main) "compiz "forgets" Super-T as a keybinding" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190150
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #190151 in automake1.10 (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190151
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #190152 in mingw32 (universe) "Cross compiler missing gcj" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190152
[11:33]  * Iulian m00s
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #190154 in octave3.0 (universe) "no more toolkit buttons in external gnuplot 4.3 (CVS snapshot compiled)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190154
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #190156 in debtags (main) "Debtags cron script recursion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190156
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190157 in totem (main) "searching in youtube kills CPU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190157
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #190160 in aranym (universe) "please sync package aranym from debian lenny" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190160
[12:32] <ubotu> New bug: #190163 in evolution-data-server (main) "evolution-data-server hangs at 100% CPU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190163
[12:32] <pochu> dup
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190165 in file (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190165
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190166 in ubuntu "scrollpad doesn't work on 8.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190166
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #190168 in kmplayer (main) "Please rebuild kmplayer with NPP support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190168
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #190169 in kmplayer "Please backport KMPlayer 0.10 once NPP support was added" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190169
[13:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190170 in manpages (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190170
[13:06] <ubotu> New bug: #190172 in ubuntu "Firefox flash videos doesn't work with skype" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190172
[13:06] <ubotu> New bug: #190173 in compiz (main) "[hardy, intel 965] compiz launches multiple processess" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190173
[13:11] <ubotu> New bug: #190174 in gnome-panel (main) "volume control not possible to recover to display in the genome panel becaue it has disappeared" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190174
[13:16] <ubotu> New bug: #190175 in gtkglextmm (universe) "Please restore gtkglextmm to Ubuntu" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190175
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #190177 in evolution-data-server (main) "evolution-data-server-2.22 crashed with signal 5 in IA__g_realloc()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190177
[13:33] <seb128> pedro_: what did this guy requested to have the gedit bug private now?
[13:35] <pedro_> seb128: being honest, don't know, i'm explaining to him by email until he comprehend why it should be public i'd let that as private
[13:35] <pedro_> :-/
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190178 in linux-meta (main) "Regression: switching between sound from notebook and dockingstation on Latitude D830 broke in 2.6.24-7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190178
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190179 in gnunet-qt (universe) "Please sync gnunet-qt 1:0.7.3-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190179
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190180 in kdebase (main) "konqueror crash multiple times, but continue to work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190180
[13:36] <seb128> pedro_: ok
[13:36] <seb128> pedro_: how went the evolution bug day yesterday?
[13:36] <seb128> pedro_: I've been too lazy to update the wiki bug did triage some bugs anyway
[13:37] <pedro_> seb128: went fine, according to http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/evolution/plots/evolution-1day-new.png
[13:37] <seb128> pedro_: rock on ;-)
[13:37] <pedro_> we reduced to less than the half the quantify of new bugs which is cool ;-)
[13:38] <seb128> looks like 85 to 25
[13:42] <pedro_> Iulian: did a great job yesterday ;-)
[13:42]  * pedro_ hugs Iulian
[13:46] <seb128> indeed ;-)
[13:54] <ubotu> New bug: #190181 in tsclient (main) "URL in "About" box invalid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190181
[13:54] <ubotu> New bug: #190183 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice Calc feature "fit to page size" doesnt work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190183
[13:55] <ubotu> New bug: #190185 in mathomatic (universe) "[FTBFS] 12.8.5-1 fails to build on hppa arch" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190185
[13:56] <ubotu> New bug: #190184 in pidgin (main) "Wrong email displayed next to account on hover" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190184
[14:05] <ubotu> New bug: #190186 in gcc-3.4 (universe) "package gcc-3.4-doc None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/gcc-3.4-doc.list] failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190186
[14:10] <ubotu> New bug: #190188 in vlc (universe) "vlc regard the file path as a URL,so the subtitle won't be loaded automatically" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190188
[14:10] <ubotu> New bug: #190189 in libnl (main) "Please sync libnl 1.1-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190189
[14:15] <ubotu> New bug: #190187 in clamav (universe) "Dapper clamav has multiple security issues that require upgrade to new version to fix" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190187
[14:15] <ubotu> New bug: #190190 in totem (main) "[Hardy] navigating using the mouse roller causes crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190190
[14:15] <ubotu> New bug: #190191 in debian-installer (main) "sukamulah coy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190191
[14:20] <ubotu> New bug: #190193 in belocs-locales-bin (main) "LC_MESSAGES not honored" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190193
[14:21] <ubotu> New bug: #190192 in brasero (main) "Dialog contains a lot of empty space" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190192
[14:22]  * Iulian hugs pedro_ back
[14:22] <Iulian> Thanks, pedro_ and seb128
[14:27] <Iulian> bbl - I have to read a chapter again from debian policy man
[14:27] <Iulian> I am stuck on something.
[14:29] <seb128> Iulian: what?
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190194 in software-properties (main) "software-properties crashed when trying to change 'em" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190194
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190196 in compiz (main) "All windows loosing their title bars while Compiz running with advanced display settings. This happens randomly." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190196
[14:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190195 in ubuntu "kde4 - Screen0 - Display issues " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190195
[14:36] <Iulian> seb128: I didn't understand the Shared libraries thing. It's all good now, thanks. If I have any questions be sure that I will ask.
[14:36] <Iulian> It's Chapter eight.
[14:39] <Iulian> And by the way, I'm new to packaging. Seems that I should read, read and read ;-)
[14:58] <ubotu> New bug: #190201 in claws-mail-extra-plugins (universe) "Feature request: show match in missing attachment warning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190201
[15:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190205 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice Database crashes with table wizard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190205
[15:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190206 in ubuntu "lost audio after 02/07/2008 upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190206
[15:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190203 in ubiquity (main) "Install Ubuntu without GRUB." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190203
[15:16] <ubotu> New bug: #190207 in grub2 (universe) "optionally disable single-user in grub-pc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190207
[15:26] <ubotu> New bug: #190208 in mousetweaks (universe) "Main Inclusion Report for mousetweaks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190208
[15:35] <ubotu> New bug: #190210 in wml (universe) "Please sync wml 2.0.11-3.1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190210
[15:40] <ubotu> New bug: #190212 in firefox (main) "postinstall fails to run" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190212
[15:42] <bddebian> Boo
[15:45] <ubotu> New bug: #190213 in gedit (main) "Enable Meta Search&Replace across all open tabs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190213
[15:55] <ubotu> New bug: #190214 in openoffice.org (main) "Export to Microsoft Excel 2003 XML fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190214
[16:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190216 in cupsys (main) "problem with my thumbdrive linux" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190216
[16:05] <torkiano> hello, anyone with kde4 can confirm bug 189920
[16:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189920 in kdebase "Google reader doesn't work with kde4's konqueror" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189920
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #190217 in scim (main) "the scim toolbar remains always visible and menu no longer works" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190217
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #190218 in netpbm-free (main) "Please sync netpbm-free 2:10.0-11.1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190218
[16:35] <ubotu> New bug: #190219 in gimp (main) "".ico" are saved corrupted." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190219
[16:35] <ubotu> New bug: #190220 in firefox-3.0 (main) "highlight text in Nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190220
[16:45] <ubotu> New bug: #190223 in firefox (main) "[gutsy 64-bit] updating to <IP_ADDRESS> breaks firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190223
[16:45] <ubotu> New bug: #190224 in firefox-3.0 (main) "web button integration with gnome" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190224
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190225 in ubuntu "Message about Language pt_BR not found on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190225
[16:56] <ubotu> New bug: #190227 in ubuntu "ia32 apps look for libs on the wrong place" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190227
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190228 in firefox (main) "Firefox's very slow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190228
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190230 in firefox-3.0 (main) "drag and drop to openoffice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190230
[17:05] <bdmurray> afflux: It looks to me like your membership expires on the 25th of February
[17:06] <ubotu> New bug: #190231 in pybluez (universe) "HTML docs are incomplete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190231
[17:07] <afflux> bdmurray: oh, interesting. I received an "Your membership in the Ubuntu BugSquad (bugsquad) team has expired." on January 17th.
[17:10] <bdmurray> Ah, that's different than Bug Control
[17:10] <bdmurray> Your bug control membership expires on the 25th
[17:10] <bdmurray> the bugsquad is an open team
[17:10] <bdmurray> So you should be able to join again yourself
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #190233 in wireshark (universe) "wireshark does not have LFS support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190233
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #190234 in oem-config (main) "Closing configuration wizard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190234
[17:14] <bdmurray> afflux: does that clear things up?
[17:15] <afflux> bdmurray: ah, yes
[17:16] <bdmurray> afflux: Do you use bughelper? I thought I saw an e-mail from you to the bughelper list.
[17:18] <afflux> bdmurray: I never posted to the bughelper list, but I reported two bugs against python-launchpad-bugs that I got from bughelper
[17:19] <afflux> I use it for very simple search patterns as the fullscreen-workaround crasher in compiz which was reported quite frequently and had slightly different stacktraces
[17:21] <bdmurray> And was bughelper helpful?
[17:21] <afflux> yes
[17:21] <bdmurray> cool, that's good to hear.  How did you find out about it?
[17:23] <afflux> bdmurray: If I recall correctly I read an email about that long time ago and tried it out. I had no idea how to use it, because I didn't know how I should write clue files without even knowing search-patterns. But when I came across that compiz thing I checked if I can search through bugs' comments (for retraced stacktraces), and it worked with -T package searchword note
[17:24] <afflux> *read an email in bugsquad or something
[17:26] <bdmurray> afflux: I've cleaned up the documentation some so maybe it is easier to understand now.  It is also possible to search through attachments with it too.
[17:26] <afflux> oh, thats nice
[17:27] <afflux> especially since the LP search can only search in the description, afaik
[17:28] <bdmurray> right, the attachments get downloaded to your local system and then searched but still it's quite nice
[17:29] <afflux> well, thats nothing different than searching the bug itself, except thats one download instead of one per attachment
[17:29] <ubotu> New bug: #190235 in telepathy-haze (universe) "Please sync telepathy-haze 0.2.0-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190235
[17:31] <bdmurray> afflux: I'm not following
[17:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190237 in gnome-control-center (main) "Type to test settings not recognizing layout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190237
[17:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190239 in adept (main) "Adept "new version is available"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190239
[17:32] <ubotu> New bug: #190240 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox podcast reciever fails to download enapsulated data that includes a redirect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190240
[17:34] <afflux> bdmurray: when you watch a website, it gets downloaded to your ram, or, depending on your browser, sometimes directly to some cache directory. IMHO, It's not that much difference if you store attachments in variables or in files
[17:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190241 in gnome-applets (main) "[wish] 8.04 hardy heron - apply transparence to charpick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190241
[17:37] <bdmurray> okay, but watching the website is more work on your part
[17:40] <afflux> yes
[17:40] <afflux> bdmurray: btw., do you think its okay to mark bug 139877, 148820 as dups?
[17:40] <ubotu> Bug 139877 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/139877 is private
[17:41] <afflux> bug 148820
[17:41] <ubotu> Bug 148820 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/148820 is private
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #190243 in tracker (main) "[Hardy] tracker causes an enourmous memory leak occasionally" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190243
[17:42] <afflux> they have similar stacktraces but I don't know why apport didn't mark them
[17:44] <bdmurray> They probably weren't autoduped because the retraces failed
[17:44] <afflux> ah
[17:44] <bdmurray> and the top of the stacktrace is unknown
[17:45] <dejv_ntb> hello
[17:45] <bdmurray> hello dejv_ntb
[17:46] <dejv_ntb> can anybody help me track source of bug #190142, please?
[17:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190142 in dhcp3 "dhclient does'nt ask for the same address" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190142
[17:47] <dejv_ntb> having to killall ssh or being banned from one of my core IRC channel is really inconvenient...
[17:47] <dejv_ntb> *channels
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190245 in scim (main) "[upgrade] merge request for scim to new debian revision" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190245
[17:57] <ubotu> New bug: #190248 in ubuntu "while pointed over an open desktop area, animates in "busy" mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190248
[17:58] <ubotu> New bug: #190247 in bcel (main) "Can do more than suggest libxerces2-java-doc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190247
[18:03] <dejv_ntb> bdmurray: who should I ask?
[18:04] <bdmurray> dejv_ntb: I'll take a peek at it but I don't have much time
[18:05] <dejv_ntb> thank you
[18:05] <bdmurray> dejv_ntb: I don't if pitti is still around but he would be the right person
[18:06] <bdmurray> that's great that you have packet traces
[18:10] <dejv_ntb> ok
[18:11] <bdmurray> dejv_ntb: I'm trying to get a hold of him now
[18:11] <dejv_ntb> thanks
[18:12] <dejv_ntb> packet trace were first thing I thought of
[18:12]  * dejv_ntb have been setting up WPA-secured AP recently and packet trace were of big help
[18:14] <pitti> hi
[18:14] <bdmurray> pitti: thanks for coming over!  we are looking at bug 190142
[18:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190142 in dhcp3 "dhclient does'nt ask for the same address" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190142
[18:15] <ubotu> New bug: #190251 in ubuntu "acpi unsupported on acer f3sr model" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190251
[18:16] <pitti> bdmurray: so the problem is that it jumps between getting .123 and .124?
[18:16] <pitti> can it properly write its lease file?
[18:17] <pitti> /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.<interface>.leases ?
[18:17] <bdmurray> that's my understanding.  right dejv_ntb?
[18:17] <pitti> and how do you invoke dhclient?
[18:18] <pitti> through network-manager or ifupdown, or manually?
[18:18] <pitti> it'd be interesting to see the full command line
[18:18] <pitti> to check where it should read/search for its leases files
[18:18] <bdmurray> pitti: How would we find that if network-manager is being used?
[18:19] <pitti> ps aux|grep dhclient while it's active
[18:19] <pitti> the dhclient instance stays around
[18:19] <pitti> so you can do it at any time
[18:20] <dejv_ntb> network-manager
[18:20] <dejv_ntb> ok
[18:20] <dejv_ntb> I'll attach leases files to the bug
[18:20] <ubotu> New bug: #190253 in runit (universe) "runit depends on /etc/inittab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190253
[18:21] <bdmurray> dejv_ntb: what are the permissions on the leaes file though?
[18:21] <pitti> I am using n-m as well, and my dhclient instance has -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases
[18:22] <pitti> it's writing the leases file correctly here
[18:22] <pitti> -rw-r--r-- 1 dhcp root 874 2008-02-08 08:50 /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases
[18:22] <pitti> ^ expected permissions
[18:22] <pitti> darn, sorry guys, I really need to run now
[18:22] <pitti> dejv_ntb: would be nice if you could put ls -l <lease file> and the contents of the lease file into the bug report
[18:23] <pitti> (why is that network so unstable in the first place?)
[18:23] <pitti> the reason might also be that I don't see any DHCPRELEASE messages
[18:24] <pitti> so the access point might think .123 is still taken
[18:24] <pitti> and give you a new one
[18:24]  * pitti waves, see you at Monday! (and sorry, but need to leave)
[18:25] <bdmurray> pitti: have a good weekend and thanks for stopping by
[18:25] <thekorn> pitti, have a nice weekend
[18:29] <dejv_ntb> attached everything + dhcpd log from server
[18:31] <bdmurray> dejv_ntb: great, thanks for doing that
[18:35] <albert23> dejv_ntb: the dhcp lease time on your router is very short (5 minutes). That should be a few hours at least.
[18:35] <dejv_ntb> if you need anything else, write me
[18:37] <dejv_ntb> It's didn't behave bad for past three years
[18:43] <dejv_ntb> changed defaut/max lease to 1800/3600
[18:43] <dejv_ntb> It's short so that unused address doesn't hang there too long
[18:44] <albert23> dejv_ntb: that's true, but 5 minutes is really short for dhcp leases
[18:44] <albert23> dejv_ntb: Also, if you only get a new IP address every few hours, the irc servers may complain less
[18:45] <dejv_ntb> I'm getting new IP every _three_minutes
[18:45] <dejv_ntb> up to today, IP addresses of computers were more or less stable
[18:46] <dejv_ntb> dhclient always asked for it's previous address and that was granted
[18:47] <dejv_ntb> now hardy's dhclient keeps sending DHCPREQUEST-s asking for ip <IP_ADDRESS> even if it get IP and lease time didn't expire
[18:48] <dejv_ntb> I'll try to disable network-manager now
[18:52] <albert23> dejv_ntb: your pc asks for the address it already has, and gets that assigned. For some reason it refuses to use it and asks for another address
[18:53] <albert23> dejv_ntb: I also see lines where your pc has address .124 and asks for .123. That's strange.
[18:53] <albert23> dejv_ntb: output from ifconfig may be helpful
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #190256 in totem (main) "totem-gstreamer crashed with SIGSEGV in g_return_if_fail_warning()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190256
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190258 in ubuntu "[Hardy] ThinkVantage key no longer working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190258
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190259 in compiz (main) "[hardy] Setting apps to fullscreen makes compiz take all cpu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190259
[19:06] <ubotu> New bug: #190261 in startupmanager (universe) "Missing display resolutions in "boot options" tab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190261
[19:16] <ubotu> New bug: #190263 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "Wrong character encoding in text input" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190263
[19:16] <ubotu> New bug: #190264 in update-manager (main) "Getting upgrade prerequisites failed - Distribution Upgrade on KUbuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190264
[19:23] <ubotu> New bug: #190266 in ubuntu "realtek 8189 wireless internal usb doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190266
[19:23] <dejv_ntb> It seems than NM is broken and not dhclient
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190269 in devhelp (main) "Please merge devhelp 0.19-1 (main) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190269
[19:33] <bdmurray> dejv_ntb: how did you determine that?  have you updated your bug?
[19:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190272 in ubuntu "please sync gigedit (0.1.1-2) from debian sid (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190272
[19:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190273 in xtradius (universe) "xtradius wont communicate with NAS properly on AM64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190273
[19:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190274 in vlc (universe) "Cannot close vlc with Ctrl+W or Ctrl+Q" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190274
[19:38] <dejv_ntb> bdmurray: 1) it offers only manual configuration now (since d-bus restart at half past seven)
[19:38] <dejv_ntb> 2) plain dhclient keeps address fine
[19:39] <bdmurray> dejv_ntb: what was that bug number?
[19:40] <dejv_ntb> 190142
[19:40] <dejv_ntb> bug 190142
[19:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190142 in dhcp3 "dhclient does'nt ask for the same address" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190142
[19:40] <ubotu> New bug: #190275 in ubuntu "please sync gigtools (3.2.1-1) from debian sid (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190275
[19:40] <dejv_ntb> bdmurray: ^
[19:41] <bdmurray> I think daemon.log w/o network-manager would be helpful and I thought pitti asked for "ps aux| grep dhclient" to see the arguements it was called with
[19:42] <dejv_ntb> chm
[19:42] <dejv_ntb> too late
[19:42] <dejv_ntb> my system went unstable, so I've rebooted
[19:43] <dejv_ntb> sorry for that, I've overlooked it
[19:43] <bdmurray> How did you stop network manager?
[19:44] <bdmurray> You should be able to do that via '/etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop'
[19:45] <dejv_ntb> I've just toggled "disable networking" in nm-applet
[19:45]  * dejv_ntb 's gonna try that
[19:49] <dejv_ntb> nm-applet still offers only manual configuration, although NM's entrys in daemon.log mention wireless interface:
[19:49] <dejv_ntb> http://rafb.net/p/fuWec768.html
[19:51] <dejv_ntb> bdmurray: ^
[19:55] <ubotu> New bug: #190277 in linux-meta (main) "package linux-generic <IP_ADDRESS>.7 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190277
[20:05] <ubotu> New bug: #190278 in seahorse (main) "seahorse asks for new passphrases just once" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190278
[20:26] <ubotu> New bug: #190281 in linux (main) "Segfault in initrd with 2.6.24-7 on intel x86_64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190281
[20:26] <ubotu> New bug: #190283 in ubuntu "my lenovo y500 touchpad and keyboard do not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190283
[20:56] <afflux> should bugs about failing upgrades due to no space on /boot when calling upgrade-initramfs be marked as invalid?
[21:18] <ubotu> New bug: #190286 in upstart (main) "Start taking advantage of upstart" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190286
[21:19] <ubotu> New bug: #190288 in rawstudio (universe) "gutsy version of rawstudio does not support newer Canon RAW images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190288
[21:21] <ubotu> New bug: #190290 in kdepim (main) "KMail crashes when moving mail in imap folder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190290
[21:26] <ubotu> New bug: #190293 in ufw (main) "ERROR: uid is 0 but '/' is owned by 1000" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190293
[21:29] <ubotu> New bug: #190294 in gnupg (main) "gpg spams the terminal with passphrase message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190294
[21:34] <ubotu> New bug: #190296 in evince (main) "Evince PDF Printing -> Cups on 64 bit typically results in Error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190296
[21:34] <ubotu> New bug: #190297 in qtpfsgui (universe) "package qtpfsgui 1.9.0-1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/qtpfsgui/i18n/lang_de.qm', which is also in package qtpfsgui-data" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190297
[21:38] <ubotu> New bug: #190298 in linux (main) "Impossible to boot with latest kernel version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190298
[21:38] <ubotu> New bug: #190299 in dell "Network Proxy password stored/displayed cleartext" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190299
[21:40] <ubotu> New bug: #190300 in ubuntu "[Sync request] Please sync mediatomb from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190300
[21:40] <ubotu> New bug: #190301 in telepathy-sofiasip (universe) "telepathy-sofiasip crashed with signal 5 in g_type_class_ref()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190301
[21:42] <ubotu> New bug: #190302 in update-notifier (main) "notification icon shows up when not expected to." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190302
[21:44] <ubotu> New bug: #190303 in kdebase (main) "kdcop hangs when started" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190303
[22:34] <ubotu> New bug: #190307 in xawtv (universe) "No standard place for webcam apps in gnome menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190307
[22:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190309 in rhythmbox (main) "hearing internet radio stream results in frozen program" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190309
[22:38] <Tuv0k> reporting bugs is starting to become a full time job
[22:42] <dejv_ntb> yep
[22:46] <ubotu> New bug: #190312 in xfce4-session (universe) ""Shutdown" and "Restart" buttons disabled in XFCE shutdown dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190312
[23:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190316 in alsa-lib (main) "[needs-packaging] alsa-1.0.16 (final release)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190316
[23:01] <crimsun> ugh
[23:05] <ubotu> New bug: #190318 in gpgkeys (universe) "Please sync gpgkeys 0.3.1-4.1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190318
[23:06] <geser> crimsun: as our alsa-guru :) have you an idea why I can't use my microphone (headset) with skype? (HDA NVidia/Realtek ALC888; hardy)
[23:08] <crimsun> geser: not sure what you mean - do you mean it's selected for capture but what's captured isn't audible?
[23:09] <crimsun> geser: or do you mean that attempting to capture freezes the processor hangs the machine?
[23:09] <crimsun> process* or ...
[23:09] <geser> crimsun: I tried the test call from skype to test my settings, but I don't hear what I say
[23:10] <crimsun> geser: ok, and this is with hardy or prior?
[23:10] <geser> crimsun: with hardy after I changed by mainboard
[23:10] <ubotu> New bug: #190320 in ubuntu "Please sync kde-style-domino 0.4-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190320
[23:11] <geser> crimsun: it worked with mine old mainboard
[23:11] <crimsun> geser: and you're using pasuspender -- skype?
[23:12] <geser> it looks like I don't have pulseaudio installed at all
[23:13] <geser> skype is installed in a 32bit chroot. main system is AMD64
[23:13] <crimsun> ugh
[23:13] <geser> I can hear the instructions from the test call but not myself
[23:13] <crimsun> right, ok.  Can you run the alsa-info.sh script?
[23:15] <crimsun> (mirrored at http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh)
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #190322 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Power history differs from ACPI estimate by factor of 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190322
[23:16] <geser> amd64: http://pastebin.ca/896785
[23:17] <geser> from within the 32bit chroot: http://pastebin.ca/896787
[23:18] <crimsun> ok, be aware that today's meta and kernel updates provide 1.0.16
[23:18] <geser> I tried googling for the problem but only found others with a similar problem but no solution
[23:19] <Tuv0k> all browsers gecko anyway, are now very unstable
[23:19] <Tuv0k> default firefox has crashed 15 times the last hour
[23:19] <Tuv0k> doing nothing special
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #190321 in ubuntu "authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out wpa_supplicant failure ath_hal crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190321
[23:22] <crimsun> geser: BTW, you don't need ~/.asoundrc* for your current config.
[23:23] <geser> so I can safely remove that files?
[23:23] <crimsun> geser: some pointers: the playback element for your Mic is muted and zeroed
[23:23] <crimsun> geser: yes
[23:23] <crimsun> geser: sorry, not zeroed but muted.
[23:23] <geser> crimsun: will try the new kernel once pbuilder finished building an other package
[23:24] <crimsun> geser: 1.0.16 is in l-u-m
[23:25] <geser> crimsun: iirc unmuting it make me only hear myself directly but not to the test call but will try it out again
[23:25] <dejv_ntb> Tuv0k: ephy runs fine for me
[23:25] <ubotu> New bug: #190327 in vinagre (main) "Vinagre doesn't work with ultraVNC" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190327
[23:26] <crimsun> geser: that seems reasonable, seeing how both Capture elements are muted (they need to be set 'cap', not 'nocap')
[23:27] <crimsun> e.g., amixer set 'Capture',0 cap && amixer set 'Capture',1 cap
[23:27] <Tuv0k> yeah they run fine, until you do something they don't like
[23:27] <Tuv0k> dejv_ntb, try to go to dslreports, all things linux, there is a desktop thread, attempt to upload more than one photo
[23:28] <Tuv0k> see if it turns grey, and then bombs
[23:28] <dejv_ntb> I've never visited that server before
[23:29] <Tuv0k> well, then epiphany is fine then
[23:30] <crimsun> geser: need to catch the train.  File a bug if setting the capture elements doesn't do it.
[23:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190328 in dolphin (main) "Icons in Dolphin vanish on mouseover" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190328
[23:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190329 in ubuntu "[Hardy] fstab / mount ntfs privilege elevation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190329
[23:31] <geser> crimsun: against which package?
[23:44] <geser> crimsun: Thank you very much (you are really an alsa guru). It works now again, the amixer calls did it (didn't reboot yet to test the new kernel).
[23:46] <geser> crimsun: or even an alsa god :)


[21:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: I cleared my schedule tonight
[21:21] <tsimonq2> wxl: tonight is the night I make LXQt installable
[21:21] <wxl> horray!
[21:21] <tsimonq2> wxl: yes it will require a workaround for the settings, but otherwise, it'll be good to go
[22:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: no response from Julien or anyone on LXQt being good to go for 17.04
[22:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: I haven't talked to Julien in a month or two
[23:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: more awesome feedback about PPC on 16.10! \o/
[23:20] <wxl> yeah..
[23:21] <tsimonq2> why are you like that?
[23:21] <wxl> if we only have ONE tester it's hard to keep it going
[23:21] <tsimonq2> which is why we don't release on non-LTS
[23:21] <wxl> i'd kind of like to get rid of it altogether
[23:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: propose it to the ML
[23:22] <wxl> it's already been discussed in the recent past, remember?
[23:23] <tsimonq2> ah yes
[23:45] <tsimonq2> dad, why do we have to spend 2 hours at your GF's house...
[23:45] <tsimonq2> be back wxl


[17:59] <mhall119> ahoneybun: ping
[18:46] <ahoneybun> mhall119: pong
[18:47] <ahoneybun> about to be mobile so reachable on Telegram if needed


[01:18] <dreverri> hazmat: ping
[01:21] <hazmat> dreverri, pong
[01:21] <dreverri> not sure if you remember but I had an issue this morning with my bootstrap node not showing up in juju status
[01:22] <hazmat> dreverri, i remember, did you get access to the instance?
[01:22] <dreverri> yes
[01:22] <dreverri> nothing in /var/log/juju/all-machines.log
[01:22] <dreverri> no other log files in the juju log folder
[01:23] <dreverri> syslog does have this: auth: couldn't find user admin, admin.system.users
[01:23] <hazmat> dreverri, could you paste /var/log/cloudinit-?output?
[01:23] <hazmat> dreverri, aha i think that's the issue
[01:24] <hazmat> dreverri, so are the juju agents running , is mongodb running?
[01:24] <dreverri> mongodb is running
[01:25] <hazmat> dreverri, no juju process?
[01:25] <dreverri> no juju process
[01:26] <hazmat> dreverri, could try manually starting it via upstart (service juju-machine-agent start), there might be more output to syslog
[01:27] <dreverri> juju-machine-agent: unrecognized service
[01:28] <dreverri> there are failure messages in the cloud-init-log file
[01:29] <dreverri> I'm going to parse through that
[01:29] <dreverri> thank you
[01:30] <dreverri> this seems interesting: http://pastebin.com/G7x8CsUF
[02:24] <hazmat> filed bug 1207590
[02:24] <_mup_> Bug #1207590: ec2 provider trouble bootstrapping <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207590>
[04:11] <dreverri> hazmat: thank you for filing a bug, any thoughts on what the issue might be?
[04:12] <hazmat> dreverri, what version of juju ?
[04:12] <dreverri> 1.11.2-unknown-amd64
[04:13] <dreverri> the bootstrap node is running: 1.11.4-precise-amd64
[04:13] <hazmat> dreverri, where did you  get that client version from? distro backports/ppa/src?
[04:13] <hazmat> er.. where did you install juju from
[04:14] <dreverri> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/
[04:14] <dreverri> for OS X
[04:14] <dreverri> https://github.com/juju/juju-core/releases
[04:14] <hazmat> ic, thanks
[04:15] <dreverri> is that no good?
[04:18] <hazmat> dreverri, i dunno how much active testing on mac we have. that bug doesn't look famliar.  there is a newer release of juju out 1.12 @ osx via homebrew mp  https://github.com/rochacon/homebrew/blob/juju-core-source-proposal/Library/Formula/juju.rb and there's another release planned for this weekend.
[04:19] <dreverri> I will try that out
[04:19] <dreverri> thank you
[04:27] <thumper> marcoceppi: ping
[06:25] <noodles775> adam_g: Sorry - I don't have a public one, no. All I've got at the moment is a private MP that updates a charm from the saltstack support to the ansible support. I'll try to get something public together.
[08:18] <rogpeppe> mornin' all
[14:00] <m0dex> hey all, quick question (well hopefully quick) i'm using juju 1.11.4-raring-amd64 and when trying to 'juju bootstrap --constraints "instance-type=t1.micro"' it fails with "unknown constraint "instance-type"' any ideas?
[14:02] <marcoceppi> m0dex: instance-type isn't supported yet with 1.X you'll instead need to supply something like cpu-cores=1
[14:03] <marcoceppi> use generic constraints cpu-cores and mem to map to the instance type
[14:03] <m0dex> alright cool. ill give that a shot right now..
[14:14] <m0dex> hey any idea what version of juju i'd need to be using to get that instance-type support?
[14:21] <AskUbuntu> deploying openstack on 6 servers | http://askubuntu.com/q/327865
[14:26] <marcoceppi> m0dex: juju 0.7, but it's honestly not worth going all the way back to that old, soon to be if not already unsupported version of juju
[14:33] <m0dex> alright. any idea if theres a possibility that juju doesn't want me to create such a small instance box? when i specify the EXACT specs for a t1 micro instance, its like nah dude, imma make an m1.small
[14:33] <jcastro> m0dex: yeah that happened to me yesterday
[14:33] <jcastro> I put in the exact numbers for a large and it makes a xlarge
[14:33] <jcastro> I'm going to ask the core guys for instance-type support
[14:33] <marcoceppi> m0dex: that shouldn't be the case. Try under-selling the numbers a bit. Instead of 725MB or whatever it is, do 500MB
[14:34] <marcoceppi> it'll match that number or the next biggest unit
[14:34] <m0dex> ok. let me give that a shot
[14:34] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah, having instance-type would be awesome.
[14:35] <m0dex> FUCK
[14:35] <m0dex> or to elaborate, no luck. i'll undersell them even more.....
[14:37] <jcastro> maybe it's time to file a bug
[14:38] <jcastro> ah good news, instance-type is coming back
[14:39] <jcastro> "2-3 weeks" is the roadmap
[14:39] <m0dex> lol yeah i guess  "juju bootstrap --constraints "mem=1M"
[14:39] <jcastro> heh
[14:39] <m0dex> and it still makes an m1.small. silly juju
[14:39] <jcastro> micros do suck though, you'll have a tough time on those things
[14:39] <m0dex> i know, but i don't think i can justify the cost of anything else yet.
[15:34] <jcastro> marcoceppi: how did we ever get anything done without --to?
[15:34] <jcastro> I could do this all day
[15:54] <rick_h> jcastro: lol
[16:00] <sidnei> hehe
[16:01] <jcastro> rick_h: any word on those links?
[16:01] <jcastro> the store is pretty much unusable as a browser right now. :-/
[16:01] <rick_h> jcastro: deploy is going out now
[16:02] <rick_h> jcastro: IS is working on it as we speak I hope
[16:02] <jcastro> ok
[16:03] <jcastro> rick_h: wanna check on something for me?
[16:03] <jcastro> rick_h: so I modified the readme in the python-django file
[16:03] <rick_h> jcastro: k
[16:03] <jcastro> and converted it from RST to Markdown ---> README.md
[16:03] <jcastro> http://manage.jujucharms.com/charms/precise/python-django
[16:03] <jcastro> warn: no README file
[16:04] <jcastro> no idea if it's working on the actual GUI since I can't get to the README link currently
[16:04] <rick_h> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/precise/python-django/trunk/files no readme file :/
[16:04] <jcastro> aha!
[16:04] <jcastro> I'm just an idiot. Pushing ...
[16:05] <jcastro> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/precise/python-django/trunk/view/head:/README.md
[16:05] <jcastro> there she is!
[16:05] <rick_h> jcastro: cool, so yea hold tight while it re-injests then
[16:06] <marcoceppi> jcastro: stirring memories of jitsu, I feel faint and may need to lie down
[16:07] <jcastro> rick_h: it's like what, 15 minutes?
[16:07] <rick_h> jcastro: there abouts
[16:07] <jcastro> Good Enough
[16:10] <rick_h> jcastro: https://jujucharms.com/sidebar/precise/ceph-14/#bws-readme deploy done
[16:10] <jcastro> \o/
[16:10] <jcastro> yeah!
[16:17] <arosales> rick_h, is it expected for the gui to have the juju-gui md displayed with the comment at the top
[16:17] <arosales> https://jujucharms.com/sidebar/precise/juju-gui-73/#bws-readme
[16:19] <jcastro> I think you need a triple dash in markdown
[16:19] <jcastro> <!---
[16:19] <jcastro> blah
[16:19] <jcastro> -->
[16:19] <jcastro> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4823468/store-comments-in-markdown-syntax
[16:20] <arosales> I can propose a branch, just wasn't sure how the charm browser was parsing
[16:21] <rick_h> arosales: jcastro so we hit this with the juju-gui readme and when I checked the module we're using to parse I couldn't find it supporting that syntax directive
[16:21] <rick_h> we've got a card/bug to try to update the module we're using
[16:22] <jcastro> or just put the license in the code files and not in the readme like everything else?
[16:22] <arosales> rick_h, ok thanks.
[16:23] <rick_h> arosales: yea, checking in http://markdowntohtml.com/ two or three - doesn't matter. They don't parse it either :/
[16:24] <arosales> rick_h, interesting that the soruce tab --> Read.md for the gui doesn't show the comment
[16:24] <rick_h> actually nvm
[16:24] <rick_h> arosales: that's because in the source tab it's an html comment so it's not shown
[16:25] <rick_h> arosales: but in the markdown parser, it's escaped? /me is checking
[16:25] <arosales> jcastro, knows I am not a markdown expert by any means
[16:25] <rick_h> arosales: right, the parser is turning <!-- into <!--
[16:26] <jcastro> rick_h: simple solution is for now to put the license at the bottom of the readme, heh
[16:26] <rick_h> jcastro: true
[16:26] <rick_h> jcastro: why it's not gotten fixed. Things like routing bugs > markdown parsing
[16:26] <rick_h> jcastro: but we do know about it and would like to fix it
[16:28] <arosales> rick_h, is the source intended to parse _all_ items in the charm directory?
[16:29] <arosales> to jcastro's ealier point I don't see the "copyright" or "COPYING" file in the source tab listing for the juju-gui
[16:30] <rick_h> arosales: yes, in general people like that. we've got bugs to do some basic type detection though to 'show' images and display file content as we do now
[16:30] <rick_h> arosales: so it's only files that the back end loads. So we load everything in hooks, and other files we know charms need/etc
[16:31] <arosales> rick_h, +1 on showing all the files they the name change to source from hooks, just wondering why those files weren't showing up
[16:31] <rick_h> arosales: the gui can only display info on files the back end knows about. We don't load all files in a charm because there could be source packages/etc in there if the ywanted to
[16:31] <arosales> rick_h, ah
[16:31] <rick_h> if there are files we want to whitelist we can submit a bug on charmworld and add support for them and then they'll show up
[16:31] <arosales> rick_h, would you like me to file a bug to whitelist copying and copyright files?
[16:32] <rick_h> arosales: sure
[16:35] <arosales> rick_h, thanks, bug  1207833 submitted
[16:35] <rick_h> arosales: thanks
[16:35] <arosales> bug 1207833
[16:35] <_mup_> Bug #1207833: Juju GUI Charm Browser: Source Tab: Whitelist files such as  copying, copyright, license <charmworld:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207833>
[17:26] <marcoceppi> jcastro: we've got a few (additional) inconsistencies on the juju website
[17:26] <jcastro> WHERE
[17:26] <jcastro> I will fix them
[17:27] <marcoceppi> `juju generate-config` provides links to pages like https://juju.ubuntu.com/get-started/openstack/ (amazon, openstack, hp-cloud) which I think should be removed and redirected instead to the docs page. However the openstack doc page is also pretty badly out of date (and a little light) https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-openstack.html
[17:28] <marcoceppi> So Ask Ubuntu needs to be updated and the docs example config needs to reflect actual environments.yaml layouts
[17:28] <jcastro> I thought we were going to stacktack instead?
[17:28] <marcoceppi> Because, lets face it, default-instance-type hasn't been a valid option for quite a while
[17:28] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I wasn't sure what should point where
[17:28] <marcoceppi> but everything we have for openstack is out of date
[17:29] <marcoceppi> So, I figured you'd know best what to sort and where
[17:29] <marcoceppi> openstack_s3 was a hack added to the python juju
[17:29] <marcoceppi> "hack"
[17:30] <jcastro> ok so step one would be to update the docs?
[17:30] <marcoceppi> docs and ask ubuntu, are probably sufficient for now
[17:30] <jcastro> man, why yuo bring this up when nick is already off for the weekend. :)
[17:30] <marcoceppi> haha ;D
[17:30] <jcastro> ok so I don't know what is correct wrt. an openstack config
[17:31] <marcoceppi> jcastro: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5940862/
[17:34] <jcastro> fixed in both places
[17:37] <marcoceppi> jcastro: ta!
[17:37] <jcastro> I'll talk to nick about what the plan for AU/docs integration or non-integration will be
[17:38] <jcastro> in the meantime updating in both places
[17:38] <marcoceppi> jcastro: we've basically postponed stacktack integration, but if it's a blocker for content we can elevate it again
[17:38] <jcastro> yeah the thing is is we can't remove the AU question, all the juju config questions have nice google juice
[17:38] <marcoceppi> stacktack integration is technically "done", but we've had problems getting it to work consistently
[17:39] <jcastro> They link to the docs though, so we should be fine
[18:11] <AskUbuntu> What's the difference between the python-django and django-rainbow charms? | http://askubuntu.com/q/327938
[18:28] <jcastro> marcoceppi: did we put deployer in a new place yet? I built a stack locally and I'm ready to test it on HP
[18:28] <marcoceppi> jcastro: not that I'm aware of
[19:21] <jcastro> arosales: I have a ~charmers proposal I'd like to run by you
[19:21] <arosales> jcastro, for sure do you want to cover that today?
[19:22] <jcastro> so I was thinking
[19:22] <jcastro> if we should do autolanding charm updates with tarmac
[19:22] <jcastro> so like let's say I do a merge proposal
[19:22] <jcastro> and then marco +1's it
[19:22] <jcastro> and mims +1's it
[19:22] <jcastro> tarmac auto lands it without us having to manually merge
[19:22] <jcastro> this would make it trivial for us to like review doc changes
[19:23] <jcastro> you could just read the diff, and then approve/disapprove
[19:23] <jcastro> without having to manually merge the submission
[19:23] <jcastro> it's one less step for the reviewers
[19:25] <AskUbuntu> Sharing SSH keys during a Juju Charm deployment | http://askubuntu.com/q/327967
[19:28] <marcoceppi> jcastro: that's the hope with the charmtester stuff
[19:28] <marcoceppi> is to gate on tests actually passing before a merge is even looked at
[19:29] <arosales> marcoceppi, Charm tester also came to mind when jcastro mentioned tarmac
[19:29] <arosales> jcastro, I don't think there are any issues with using something like tarmac.  I think the work would be to integrate that into charm tester
[19:30] <marcoceppi> tarmac is fine, that's just a mechanism and test runner for landing changes. I think we definitely want to use the idea of gating merges on tests though, for sure
[19:30]  * marcoceppi cross fingers for this cycle
[19:31] <jcastro> arosales: yeah so I totally didn't think about tests
[19:32] <arosales> I think once we have a good test story the next step, as you mention, is automating more of merge requests
[19:32] <arosales> but the core philosophy should be centered around quality
[19:32] <arosales> but yes a generally +1 to CI


[12:03] <rcspam> Hi, my system is Xenial... I have lost all icons (indicators,time,etc) in my unity-panel. This is happened after a stop a fullscreen video. Since, some compiz/unity reset + remove config files doesn't solve the problem. If i am logging to another user, same things. An idea to fix this !!!??? thanx
[12:07] <knome> rcspam, try asking #ubuntu, the support channel
[12:52] <rcspam> knome, thanx i ll try
[16:05] <jcastro> flexiondotorg: hey what webcam do you have, the picture quality is just top notch on hangouts
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> I think it was model Logitech C720, which has now been replaced.
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/hd-pro-webcam-c920?crid=34
[16:08] <flexiondotorg> That is the new version.
[16:08] <jcastro> I have a c910 but it doesn't look nearly as good as yours did
[16:42] <flexiondotorg> jcastro Maybe the light was just good ;-)
[16:43] <popey> or the subject
[16:44] <popey> (you're welcome)


[12:36] <gnomefreak> asac: did you go to bed already?
[12:45] <asac> no
[12:45] <asac> here :)
[12:45] <asac> what do you want?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> weird crash reports but i dont remember the bugs now. bug 86002 is that a master?
[12:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86002 in firefox "firefox crash in java [@JavaPluginFactory5::CreateSecureEnv]  [@ProxyJNIEnv] " [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86002
[01:03] <asac> have you searched for CreateSecureEnv
[01:03] <asac> ?
[01:03] <asac> i remember something
[01:03] <asac> hmm
[01:03] <asac> i think this is worth a master for now
[01:10] <gnomefreak> ill search and if not ill mark that one as master
[01:18] <asac> k
[11:24] <asac> hi
[11:24] <gnomefreak> hi
[11:25] <gnomefreak> ask a simple fucking question and reporter goes off
[11:26] <asac> :/
[11:26] <asac> hmm
[11:26] <asac> not nice then :)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> asac: are you on edgy?
[11:27] <asac> j
[11:27] <asac> y
[11:27] <asac> es
[11:27] <asac> ;)
[11:27] <gnomefreak> libnss3-0d-dbg libnspr4-0d-dbg libpango1.0-0-dbg do you have these packages avilible?
[11:27] <asac> but will download feisty today
[11:27] <asac> yes?
[11:27] <asac> i think so at least
[11:27] <gnomefreak> i hope not
[11:28] <asac> what is his claim?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> I did install the -dbg package for firefox, what's next?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> Oh and by the way, if you start bugging people about poor bug-reports, fix the wiki first:
[11:28] <gnomefreak> E: Couldn't find package firefox-dbg
[11:28] <gnomefreak> E: Couldn't find package libnss3-0d-dbg
[11:28] <gnomefreak> E: Couldn't find package libnspr4-0d-dbg
[11:28] <gnomefreak> E: Couldn't find package libpango1.0-0-dbg
[11:29] <asac> ouch
[11:29] <asac> yeah
[11:29] <asac> hmm
[11:29] <asac> they are in MOTU
[11:30] <gnomefreak> first and last ones are in main
[11:30] <asac> firefox-dbg is in main
[11:30] <asac> yes
[11:30] <asac> whats the problem?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> the middle 2 are in universe
[11:30] <asac> why do you get error on all?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> he says he doesnt have them (that the wiki is wrong) if its wrong i want to fix it
[11:30] <gnomefreak> asac: thats his errors
[11:30] <gnomefreak> not mine i have the packages
[11:31] <gnomefreak> bug 82622
[11:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82622 in firefox "Firefox crashed [@ProcessAsyncMessages] " [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82622
[11:31] <gnomefreak> not sure wher eyou came up with the summary either
[11:32] <gnomefreak> ah looks like you got it from description
[11:36] <asac> tell him he should go with as much packages of those as possible
[11:36] <asac> at least firefox-dbg is pretty old
[11:36] <asac> so if he hasn't it
[11:36] <asac> dunno
[11:37] <asac> (above is about the *no* -dbg package reporter)
[11:38] <asac> any idea where i can download feisty isos?
[11:39] <asac> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[11:39] <asac> there is only alternate cd
[11:39] <asac> hmm
[11:42] <asac> found it
[11:43] <gnomefreak> yep there is its the d-i
[11:43] <asac> bittorrent has no sources ... and cdimage.u.c is slow
[11:43] <gnomefreak> i dont think we are gonna get much more info on that bug report. so lets hope we have enough to go on
[11:45] <asac> yeah
[11:45] <asac> probably not
[11:47] <gnomefreak> that realplayer bug i got a comment on so i might try it
[12:00] <gnomefreak> im working on bug 90577 after installing realplayer in /opt but i have to say do we close this if realplayer is the cause?
[12:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90577 in firefox "Firefox crashes during form entry" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90577
[12:01] <asac> yes
[12:02] <gnomefreak> ok
[12:11] <gnomefreak> well it gives me a little bit more
[03:33] <asac> Bug 87108
[03:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87108 in firefox "firefox crashed while i had netbeans open" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87108
[03:33] <asac> :)
[03:33] <asac> i like those titles
[06:19] <hjmf> asac: I've created a new MASTER, bug #71702 and attached a couple of dups per their stacktraces. Review it when you have time.
[06:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71702 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@js_FinalizeStringRT] [@js_atom_uninterner] " [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71702
[06:23] <asac> hjmf: look like dupes
[06:23] <asac> maybe aks them about installed extensions/plugins
[06:23] <asac> its a crash during shutdown
[06:23] <asac> which is of course wierd
[06:26] <hjmf> well, gnomefreak is already triagging bug #87749 (one of the dups) let's wait to see if he gets more info, though the reporter wasn't able to reproduce it
[06:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87749 in firefox "Firefox Crashed  (dup-of: 71702)" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87749
[06:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71702 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@js_FinalizeStringRT] [@js_atom_uninterner] " [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71702
[07:19] <AlexLatchford> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=258
[07:19] <AlexLatchford> dunno if anyone has seen this
[07:41] <asac> nice
[08:21] <poningru> asac: question are we going to be building using xulrunner on feisty+1?
[08:21] <poningru> aka for 1.9 stuff
[08:22] <asac> probably
[08:32] <asac> poningru: you want to work on that?
[08:32] <poningru> sure
[08:33] <asac> poningru: how familiar are you with packaging?
[08:33] <poningru> not much
[08:33] <poningru> and thats the prob
[08:33] <poningru> but learning
[08:33] <asac> i think, yes :)
[08:33] <poningru> I just need tons of practice
[08:33] <asac> not a thing to begin with I guess
[08:33] <asac> it would give tons of practice
[08:34] <asac> but might be an impossible task
[08:34] <asac> of course not impossible
[08:34] <asac> ... without much progress for long periods ;)
[08:35] <asac> what you could do is download firefox trunk code
[08:35] <poningru> hehe already have that
[08:35] <asac> and see if there is a configure switch for --enable-system-nspr --enable-system-nss and --enable-system-xul
[08:35] <asac> or something
[08:35] <poningru> yep know the switches too
[08:36] <asac> do they exist?
[08:36] <poningru> its on wiki.mozilla.org
[08:36] <poningru> yes
[08:36] <poningru> hold on
[08:36] <asac> have a link?
[08:37] <asac> did you check out trunk?
[08:38] <poningru> http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/xulrunner/config/mozconfig
[08:39] <poningru> asac: yeah I sync every once in a while
[08:39] <asac> what is that link  ... thats just the xulrunner mozconfig :)
[08:40] <asac> ok
[08:40] <asac> what you can try to do is:
[08:40] <asac> build xulrunner :)
[08:40] <asac> in one directory
[08:40] <asac> from trunk
[08:40] <asac> then
[08:41] <asac> build firefox
[08:41] <asac> in a separate dir
[08:41] <asac> but use
[08:41] <asac> --disable-xul
[08:41] <asac> as well as
[08:41] <asac> --with-libxul-sdk=/PATH/TO/LIBXUL/SDK
[08:42] <asac> maybe you have to leave out --disable-xul
[08:42] <asac> if firefox builds and can be started and has no libxul on its own
[08:42] <asac> then we can go ahead
[08:42] <asac> and think about packaging
[08:43] <asac> /PATH/TO/LIBXUL/SDK -> i think xulrunner/dist/... should be it
[08:43] <asac> just play around :)
[08:43] <asac> poningru: all clear?
[08:44] <asac> you cann add those configure switches to .mozconfig for now
[08:44] <asac> dfarning: hi
[08:44] <dfarning> asac
[08:44] <dfarning> hey how are you
[08:44] <asac> thanks :) fine.
[08:45] <asac> hope you are doing well too
[08:45] <dfarning> pretty good
[08:45] <asac> i just have a few questions about launchpad stuff
[08:45] <dfarning> sure
[08:45] <asac> actually ... is it possible to have some bzr archive associated with mozilla team
[08:45] <asac> or do we need a product for that
[08:45] <asac> 2 cases:
[08:46] <dfarning> yes it is. what do you have in mind
[08:46] <asac> 1. package maintenance
[08:46] <asac> 2. ubuntu extension project
[08:46] <dfarning> to add and maintain code?
[08:46] <asac> yes
[08:47] <asac> i want to have it hosted in launchpad
[08:47] <dfarning> git like branches;)
[08:47] <asac> yes ... but found that mainbranch can be hosted in launchpad
[08:47] <asac> don't know how
[08:48] <asac> actually i think that the extension development should be in its own project
[08:48] <asac> product
[08:48] <asac> (whats the lp difference)
[08:48] <dfarning> I was looking into something like the asac branch which is used to build packages
[08:49] <dfarning> then you can pull patches from other braches if they are good enough
[08:49] <asac> yes ... thats the idea for package maintenance
[08:49] <dfarning> products hold upstream bugs
[08:49] <asac> i think i will have to do that under the hood of core-devel-team
[08:49] <asac> yes ... but it would be something like apport
[08:49] <asac> which is a product as well
[08:50] <asac> its where upstream development happens
[08:50] <asac> as we will be upstream for that extensions
[08:50] <dfarning> what do you mean by extensions?
[08:50] <asac> like ... .xpi :)
[08:50] <asac> its about moving ubuntu specific patches
[08:50] <asac> to an extension
[08:51] <asac> since we have changes to codebase that are of no use upstream
[08:51] <dfarning> that sounds really smart
[08:51] <asac> so i want to move as much as possible out
[08:51] <dfarning> have you looked into it very much
[08:51] <asac> to reduce patchset
[08:51] <asac> yes
[08:51] <asac> i know how to do it
[08:51] <asac> but don't know how to setup the umbrella
[08:51] <dfarning> outstanding
[08:51] <asac> in launchpad
[08:51] <asac> it will be a feisty+1 thing
[08:52] <asac> but i have an initial extension for report bug ... menu entry now ... as a prototype
[08:52] <dfarning> the downsteam guy would love to be able to modify a couple of extensions to brand their firefox
[08:52] <asac> hmmm
[08:52] <asac> what you refer to is something different
[08:52] <asac> its about keeping differences to existing extensions
[08:53] <dfarning> how so?
[08:53] <asac> not?
[08:53] <asac> you mean downstream wants to develop extensions to brand firefox?
[08:53] <asac> vs. modify?
[08:53] <dfarning> they just want to be able branding easily
[08:54] <dfarning> don't really care how it get done
[08:54] <poningru> oh you mean like that
[08:54] <poningru> ok
[08:54] <poningru> asac: will work on that
[08:54] <asac> poningru: great
[08:55] <dfarning> poningru, seting up the bzr stuff too? ;)
[08:55] <poningru> oh blargh?
[08:55] <asac> :)
[08:57] <asac> dfarning: ok, will ask about it on ubuntu-devel i guess ... just thought you know how the bzr thing works in lp :)
[08:57] <dfarning> asac, poningru can you follow this you with an email to the list with some use cases
[08:58] <dfarning> asac, I have used it a few times ;)
[08:59] <dfarning> the bzr folks probobly have a better idea how to make this work for you
[08:59] <asac> poningru ment that he will work on trying how welll ffox builds on top of xulrunner for trunk :)
[08:59] <asac> yep ... i will ask there
[08:59] <poningru> hehe yeah :)
[08:59] <asac> dfarning: any ideas how we can make mozilla team more visible
[08:59] <asac> to potential new members
[08:59] <asac> e.g. team marketing?
[09:00] <dfarning> asac, are you ready for that?
[09:00] <asac> ready?
[09:00] <asac> for what?
[09:00] <dfarning> a hugh swarm of people
[09:01] <asac> i probably won't be able to teach them on packaging ... but i guess for bug triaging we already have enough know-how here in channel to get some economics of scale
[09:01] <asac> what would you do?
[09:01] <asac> at best we could find a way to attract tech people :)
[09:01] <dfarning> how ready are you for loco teams to develop customized version of firefox
[09:02] <dfarning> I can get jono to sell that to the loco team which will create a lot of visability
[09:03] <dfarning> but it would require some idea what stuff they will want to customize and how to do it
[09:04] <asac> what is loco?
[09:04] <dfarning> asac, localization teams
[09:04] <asac> customize? you have an example?
[09:04] <asac> ah
[09:05] <dfarning> they are providing custom distros in their local languages
[09:05] <dfarning> special homepages, searches ...
[09:06] <asac> ah ok
[09:06] <asac> that should be done in an extension as well i guess
[09:06] <dfarning> firefox is one of the package that the localizers are ignoring because no one could figure out how to do it correctly;)
[09:07] <asac> can you get someone here that can tell what info / infrastructure they need
[09:07] <asac> and how this relates to upstream translation effords
[09:07] <asac> e.g. locale packages
[09:07] <dfarning> We could get a lot of attention by asking what they want
[09:08] <dfarning> locale packages really only deal with strings i think
[09:09] <asac> what do they do to other packages (other than translating strings)
[09:09] <asac> ?
[09:09] <dfarning> Im not sure
[09:09] <dfarning> I will look into it
[09:09] <asac> great
[09:09] <asac> lets raise the mist that covers this topic
[09:10] <dfarning> any other assignments;)
[09:10] <asac> not atm :)
[09:11] <poningru> asac: damn
[09:11] <asac> what happened ;)
[09:11] <poningru> asac: ok so I have to talk to bsmedberg for guidance
[09:11] <poningru> cause all of this isnt documented yet
[09:12] <asac> maybe on his blog?
[09:12] <poningru> and biesi is saying if I do this I have to write a devmo article...
[09:12] <dfarning> summary 1 bzr for build and maintaining fx and extensions 2 figure out fx localizations needs 3 figure out if we can use lang packs
[09:12] <poningru> asac: naah will contact him through irc
[09:13] <poningru> asac: or do you mean for 'docs'
[09:14] <asac> i mean for docs
[09:14] <asac> posted on blog
[09:14] <poningru> eek thats a lot of bzr
[09:15] <asac> anyway
[09:15] <asac> the instructions should apply
[09:15] <asac> that i gave above
[09:15] <asac> what was the problem?
[09:15] <asac> you can just build xulrunner
[09:15] <asac> right?
[09:16] <asac> then use special configure switch (as above) so firefox uses xulrunner libxul
[09:16] <asac> instead of its own
[09:20] <poningru> well I havent started yet
[09:20] <poningru> I wanted to ask the guys before I started
[09:30] <asac> hmm ... he is pretty heavy load guy ... i would suggest to try first ... try second .. ask third :)
[09:30] <asac> but thats just me :)
[09:41] <poningru> hehe
[09:41] <poningru> asac: how come I have never seen you in moznet?
[09:41] <poningru> oh nm
[09:42] <asac> moznet? irc?
[09:43] <asac> i am in #developers
[09:45] <poningru> yeah hence the nm :p
[09:46] <poningru> come hang out with us dude
[09:46] <poningru> #hs
[09:47] <poningru> keep in mind hs is non coc all the way
[09:47] <poningru> we curse make crude jokes etc.
[09:48] <asac> what is hs?
[09:49] <poningru> horse shit
[09:49] <poningru> bunch of us hang out there
[09:49] <poningru> and goof off
[09:50] <asac> ;)
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> hey all
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> network has been up and down all day
[09:57] <Admiral_Chicago> i think its crashing right now
[09:57] <Admiral_Chicago> at an alarming rate...
[09:59] <poningru> rofl
[10:32] <asac> poningru: now i am in :)
[10:32] <asac> will hardly contribute though :)
[10:33] <Admiral_Chicago> my network is being very fickle today


[03:55] <artillerytx> anyone know why i keep getting these e-mails - http://pastebin.com/d5e753476
[03:55] <artillerytx> from my server
[03:55] <artillerytx> or is there a way i could turn this off
[03:59] <poningru> artillerytx, try crontab -l
[03:59] <poningru> as root it seems
[04:00] <artillerytx> k it gives me "54 7 *** /etc/webmin/cron/tempdelete.pl
[04:01] <poningru> can you check /etc/cron.hourly/
[04:01] <poningru> is there anything in there?
[04:03] <artillerytx> no there is nothing in that directory
[04:05] <poningru> can you check /var/log/mail.log
[04:06] <poningru> see whats sending the thing
[04:07] <artillerytx> oh wow
[04:07] <artillerytx> you want me to pastebin whats in mail.log
[04:07] <poningru> yeah sure
[04:09] <artillerytx> ahh it won't let me post it
[04:09] <artillerytx> poningru: here we go - http://paste.ubuntu.com/240720/
[04:10] <artillerytx> I've set up the email for the domain with gmail apps and used ssmtp to gmail
[04:13] <poningru> how often does the emails come in?
[04:14] <ball> Once a month, on a camel.
[04:17] <artillerytx> poningru: probly every day 4 or 5 times a day
[04:17] <artillerytx> im guessing its some sort of error that i haven't set up something correctly
[04:20] <poningru> hmm
[04:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #407572 in postfix (main) "package postfix 2.5.5-1.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407572
[04:23] <artillerytx> poningru: i can show you the whole thing
[04:24] <artillerytx> poningru: http://paste.ubuntu.com/240748/
[04:24] <poningru> no I dont think I can end
[04:24] <poningru> err help
[04:41] <tsrk_> is /root being only accessible by root a new thing in 9.04?
[05:18] <artillerytx> anyone know anything about cron and ssmtp ?
[05:22] <Tejas> anyone know how to remove id_rsa key???- Because of the my server IP is change...
[05:37] <ajmitch> '14
[05:39] <artillerytx> any know why im getting this emailed to me - http://paste.ubuntu.com/240807/
[05:59] <DiCK454> xubuntu
[06:03] <Byron> Hello everyone.
[06:04] <Byron> andol: I'm not sure what I have done wrong, but I don't really know where to start either. I hope to get better insight with some tools that I'm going to start using. Thanks for guiding me yesterday.
[06:06] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #407583 in samba (main) "karmic smbclient fails to access NAS box" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407583
[06:14] <andol> Byron: Don't really use FTP much these days. Not sure if I'm the right person to point you in a right direction.
[06:14] <andol> Byron: Actually, in my book, FTP itself is usually the wrong direction :)
[06:17] <Byron> andol: No worries. I have yet to figure out why FTP doesn't work outside of my router.
[06:17] <Byron> andol: I don't even want to begin with my Postfix and Courier issues right now, either.
[06:38] <chrisellis> how do i delete stuff from cron
[06:39] <chrisellis> im keep getting all these error emails
[06:43] <chrisellis> i have no idea what is going on with this
[06:43] <Byron> chrisellis: what happens if you just delete the pl file?
[06:43] <chrisellis> do you want to see what the errors are?
[06:44] <chrisellis> Byron: http://paste.ubuntu.com/240899/
[06:45] <Byron> 1 sec
[06:45] <chrisellis> mmk thank you
[06:50] <Byron> chrisellis: Seems like an hourly cron. Try "sudo rm /etc/cron.hourly/ebox"
[06:51] <chrisellis> no such file or directory
[06:54] <Byron> sudo nano /etc/init.d/ebox
[06:54] <Byron> What's on line 14?
[06:54] <chrisellis> use Ebox;
[06:54] <chrisellis> i removed ebox though
[06:54] <chrisellis> why is this file still here
[06:54] <Byron> that's probably the issue
[06:55] <chrisellis> how can i remove all files associated with ebox
[06:56] <Byron> chrisellis: 'sudo apt-get remove --purge ebox'
[06:56] <chrisellis> it tells me pacakge ebox is not installed, so not removed
[06:57] <Byron> sudo apt-get install ebox && sudo apt-get remove --purge ebox
[06:57] <chrisellis> mmk
[06:57] <chrisellis> i just did apt-get update
[06:57] <chrisellis> uno momento
[06:58] <chrisellis> wow thats alot of updates
[07:01] <chrisellis> okay i just got the error dropdb: database removal failed: Error datatbase "eboxlogs" does not exist
[07:01] <chrisellis> dropuser: remocal of role ebox failed ebox does not exisist
[07:01] <mysteriousdarren> just installed my first server on an old dell
[07:02] <mysteriousdarren> and now its waiting for me to tell it to do something blicking impaitently
[07:03] <chrisellis> Byron: that doesn't matter right ... thats good they don't exist
[07:03] <mysteriousdarren> is there some easter egg commands i can put in to make it look like its doing something
[07:05] <Byron> chrisellis: the removal I'm providing you removes config files, too.
[07:06] <Byron> mysteriousdarren: if all else fails, type 'help'
[07:06] <chrisellis> Byron: k
[07:17] <chrisellis> Byron: have you ever set up a google apps account ?
[07:23] <Byron> chrisellis: No, I haven't.
[07:24] <Byron> Farewell everyone. it's getting late for me and I have a long day tomorrow. Have a great day/night. Bye
[07:24] <chrisellis> night
[07:24] <mysteriousdarren> nite
[07:25] <mysteriousdarren> im going through setting up an server on a dell and wondered what kind of server collections i should install?
[07:26] <chrisellis> i don't know very much but what kind of server are you setting up
[07:27] <hammer> funny you should ask that mysteriousdarren, i was wondering the same thing
[07:27] <jmarsden> Install the ones that will let you do whatever it is you want the server to do :)
[07:28] <chrisellis> ahh god i hate girl drummers
[07:28] <mysteriousdarren> a friend and i are using it for a learning experience and were basically gonna use it to access files when traveling and on business trips
[07:28] <jmarsden> I don't think there is a "girl drummer" task in Ubuntu Server..?
[07:28] <chrisellis> oh sorry
[07:28] <chrisellis> haha
[07:28] <mysteriousdarren> girls drummers are awesome, haha im a drummer. did u get shown up by one or what?
[07:29] <mysteriousdarren> sorry off topic
[07:29] <chrisellis> no they look stupid im moving to off topic if you want to continue
[07:29] <jmarsden> mysteriousdarren: So install whatever things you want to learn about, plus whatever will do the kind of file sharing you have in mind.
[07:30] <hammer> So are options are dns,lamp,mail, openssh, posgres, print, samba tomcat java , virtual, an manual package selection server
[07:31] <hammer> I am kinda thinking manual, virtual, and lamp
[07:31] <hammer> and I hate girl drummers
[07:32] <jmarsden> Well, if mysteriousdarren wants to access his server remotely, openssh is probably a good start.  After that it all depends what/how he is plannging to do the filesharing.  The set for you depends on what *you* want to do with your server :)
[07:33] <hammer> but what if the girl drummer is hot
[07:33] <mysteriousdarren> smoking hott
[07:33] <jmarsden> hammer: Take that to #offtopic please.
[07:33] <mysteriousdarren> hammer nice but off topic
[07:34] <hammer> ok, its late,
[07:34] <mysteriousdarren> ya no excuses paula
[07:34] <hammer> whats the downfall of sellecting more than we may need
[07:35] <jmarsden> You end up with more software on your server that you don't understand, and that you have to back up, and that if it has security issues might in some way aid others trying to break into your server.
[07:36] <hammer> ah
[07:37] <jmarsden> Remember you can always use tasksel to add more tasks later anyway.
[07:37] <jmarsden> man tasksel for details on that.
[07:38] <hammer> So if we went, openssh, samba, and a lamp. would that be a good start to learn
[07:39] <jmarsden> It's quite a bit at once, but sure, that could work.  LAMP is Apache, MySQL and PHP so 3 different things right there.
[07:40] <jmarsden> The L is for Linux... which you already have :)
[07:41] <hammer> this is just off a ubuntu 9.04 server cd  we downloaded tonight
[07:41] <hammer> it gives us these options separatly
[07:41] <jmarsden> OK... let's just say the L (Linux) is not optional if you are installing Ubuntu :)
[07:42] <jmarsden> Install openssh so you can access the server securely over the network.  Anything else ... install it if you either need it or want to learn it.
[07:42] <jmarsden> In general, if you do not know what it is, do not install it.
[07:43] <hammer> good point
[07:44] <jmarsden> You did read the Server Guide, right?  https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/
[07:45] <hammer> of course we read all 19 chapters
[07:46] <hammer> (wistles suspicously)
[07:46] <jmarsden> For mysteriousdarren just openssh may be all he needs, because he can do sshfs for secure remote file access, either from Windows or Linux boxes while on the road.
[07:46] <hammer> bookmarking now
[07:47] <jmarsden> There is also a link to the server guide in the /TOPIC of this channel :)  But that's for the 8.04 one not 9.04
[07:49] <mysteriousdarren> ok, ya ive read most of the links and was wondering from an actual person what i should do. thanks
[07:51] <jmarsden> For what you are asking for just install openssh and use sshfs (or Dokan, if you use Windows on your travelling notebook instead of Linux)
[07:52] <mysteriousdarren> nope all ubuntu
[07:53] <hammer> all ubuntu, and one fedora...
[07:54] <mysteriousdarren> haha fedora and u hate it sometimes
[07:56] <hammer> sigh.... yes
[07:57] <andol> jmarsden: Hmm, Dokan looks intersting. Any personal experieces using Dokan sshfs? Might be a good alternative, recommending to friends instead of expandrive
[07:59] <jmarsden> andol: I've only played with it, never had to use it for a long period.  For basic file xfer it seems to work.
[08:00] <andol> jmarsden: Okey, thanks for the indirectly pointing it out to me anyhow.
[08:01] <jmarsden> :) No problem.
[08:52] <chrisellis> how do you see what kind of bandwidth you are getting for your server
[15:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #407689 in samba (main) "package libpam-smbpass 2:3.3.2-1ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407689
[15:16] <vagamente> anyone can help me installing mailman?
[16:06] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #396632 in lighttpd (universe) "lighttpd init file should not chown or chmod on status check" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396632
[19:25] <gbear14275> is xen support better in 8.04 or one of the later versions?
[20:28] <zoopster> gbear14275: define support...not much has changed in xen for a while. 9.04 officially has domU support
[20:28] <zoopster> gbear14275: you are better off using KVM...it is being maintained much better through 9.04


[22:14] <mhall119> stgraber: highvoltage: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/2ywn16/thank_you_edubuntu/