[01:26] <chrisccoulson> right, bed time for me!
[07:33] <pitti> Good morning
[07:34] <pitti> anmar: yes, that's known; we had to disable hard drive spindown because it caused too many problems on many hardware
[07:40] <didrocks> good morning
[07:43] <dpm> morning didrocks
[07:43] <TheMuso> Hey pitti, didrocks.
[07:46] <didrocks> hey dpm, TheMuso
[08:17] <ara> didrocks, is robert on holidays?
[08:17] <ara> didrocks, morning, btw :)
[08:24] <didrocks> ara: yeah, robert is on holidays (I think it's his last and 4th week ;))
[08:24] <didrocks> morning ara, how are you?
[08:25] <ara> didrocks, I am good, thanks
[08:25] <ara> didrocks, do you know who's taking care in his absence of simple scan?
[08:25] <ara> didrocks, it is crashing for me in a reproducible way 100% of the times I scan a photo
[08:26] <didrocks> ara: well, the desktop team, do you think there are some annoying bug there?
[08:26] <didrocks> urgh
[08:26] <ara> didrocks, I am uploading now the crash report
[08:26] <didrocks> I tried less than 20 days ago without any glitch
[08:26] <didrocks> ara: ok, I'll try to have a look within the day
[08:26] <didrocks> ara: can you just point me to the bug report?
[08:26] <didrocks> (once uploaded)
[08:26] <ara> didrocks, sure, once I finish uploading the report ;-)
[08:27] <ara> hehe
[08:27] <didrocks> great, thanks ara :-)
[08:41] <mvo> fwiw it seems to work for me (scanning with simple-scan)
[08:41] <mvo> didrocks: 4 weeks?
[08:41]  * mvo moves to .au
[08:42] <didrocks> mv mvo .au
[08:42] <didrocks> done \o/
[08:43] <nigelb> didrocks: haha
[08:44] <didrocks> (not sure if that will work and if he can ask now to robbie "can I have 4 weeks of holidays now? ;))
[08:44] <mvo> didrocks: he will not find me anymore unless he uses ls -a
[08:45] <didrocks> mvo: hehe, good catch! :-) as long as they still see you for the pay ;)
[08:45] <mvo> *weeeeeh* indeed
[09:02] <ara> didrocks, I haven't forgotten about you. I am just upgrading my maverick installation to see if that fixes it (simple scan was latest, but not some of their dependencies)
[09:03] <didrocks> ara: no worry. I have enough to do right now ;) take your time!
[09:09] <jiang> asac: ping, in patch 40_xres_lcddefault.patch from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo/+bug/271283, I think you should use lcdnone instead of none, otherwise FcNameConstant will return 5 instead of 0
[09:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 271283 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Jaunty) (and 4 other projects) "[ooo-build] OpenOffice.org subpixel font rendering broken with new cairo (affects: 3) (dups: 2) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Fix released]
[09:16] <seb128> hello
[09:18] <Cimi> hi
[09:18] <ara> morning seb128
[09:19] <seb128> hello Cimi, ara
[09:22] <pitti> hey seb128
[09:22] <seb128> hello pitti
[09:22] <seb128> how are you?
[09:22] <pitti> I'm great, thanks! cold is gone, and so is the rain :)
[09:23] <pitti> looking forward to Sunday
[09:23] <pitti> if it wasn't for bug 640807, it'd be a perfect release :)
[09:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640807 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "automatic xrandr module misconfigures monitors (affects: 13) (dups: 3) (heat: 54)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640807
[09:23] <pitti> seb128: how are you?
[09:24] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[09:24] <seb128> seems people do noise about this one for some reasons
[09:24] <pitti> regardless of how we set that external_monitors gconf key, it's always screwing up something
[09:25] <pitti> it should really just keep its hands off xrandr unless there's a configuration
[09:25] <pitti> (and if for nothing else, then for getting back to the faster boot that we had in lucid)
[09:25] <seb128> it's quite easy
[09:25] <seb128> see my comments
[09:26] <seb128> it's just a matter to add a gconf key
[09:26] <seb128> well a gconf key and one line in the code to check for it
[09:26] <baptistemm> hi there
[09:26] <seb128> lut baptistemm
[09:27] <baptistemm> I guess bug 654768 is a duplicate ?
[09:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654768 in xorg (Ubuntu) "GTK+ artefact in maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654768
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: but what I'm wondering about is why this wasn't in lucid
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, because federico added a way to force modes
[09:27] <seb128> we discussed it on #ubuntu-x on friday with him
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: by the changelog description this would be http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=5800925a383d6498bd4281a7eebe0fc39be640b7
[09:27] <seb128> he said basically he doesn't trust xorg to get things right
[09:28] <pitti> so he's calling X.org to fix it??
[09:28] <seb128> he's not
[09:28] <pitti> but that commit shouldn't have changed the "set default configuration" behaviour, or am I missing something?
[09:28] <seb128> you are missing something
[09:28] <seb128> one sec
[09:28] <pitti> hm, but in a KMS world, the last thing we want to do is to introduce even more mode changes and detections?
[09:28] <seb128> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/log/?h=randr-set-as-default
[09:28] <seb128> basically
[09:29] <seb128> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?h=randr-set-as-default&id=67958ef6faab5797d5c5ad939db36f393706984a
[09:29] <seb128> is the commit where he added those new keys
[09:29] <pitti> ah
[09:29] <seb128> seems it was an oem request at novell
[09:29] <seb128> to be able to force monitors in a state
[09:29] <seb128> which is why he did this change
[09:29] <pitti> seb128: i. e. we want to disable apply_default_boot_configuration() call?
[09:30] <pitti> (if we don't have a system-wide or per-user config)
[09:30] <seb128> did you read my comment in the bug?
[09:30] <seb128> I copied what federico said on IRC
[09:30] <seb128> with the codepath to patch
[09:30] <pitti> ah, ok; I'm only half through
[09:30]  * pitti reads the rest
[09:30] <seb128> read my comments from yesterday
[09:31] <pitti> I just don't understand his rationale that "don't touch xrandr" is the special case
[09:31] <didrocks> good morning pitti :)
[09:31] <pitti> it should be the default case, and touching xrandr would be to apply workarounds for broken situations
[09:31] <pitti> hey didrocks
[09:32] <seb128> pitti, he said basically that he doesn't trust xorg to be agile enough on bug fixing
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: so, adding a gconf key would work for that
[09:32] <seb128> ie he said it's much easier to patch g-s-d to get things right when needed than to wait for xorg or driver to be updated
[09:32] <seb128> I don't really share his view
[09:32] <seb128> but he's fine adding the key
[09:32] <pitti> me neither
[09:32] <pitti> ok, that sounds like a good compromise
[09:32] <seb128> then what the default is is a distributor choice
[09:33] <pitti> well, I don't think that yet another gconf key is the right solution (I'd prefer just testing the existence of a configuration file), but it's "good enough" IMHO
[09:35] <seb128> well then you drop the possibility for oems to force the monitors setting by gconf
[09:35] <seb128> not sure why they wanted that
[09:35] <seb128> he said hp wanted the external display to be forced off by default
[09:35] <pitti> i. e. "we want broken docking stations with Linux"
[09:36] <seb128> well I don't feel we should deprecated upstream keys in a distro patch
[09:36] <pitti> I really wish we had reliable lid detection on startup
[09:36] <seb128> we should just add this new key which make that behaviour off by default
[09:36] <pitti> seb128: I agree
[09:36] <pitti> that's even something we could still push into maverick
[09:37] <seb128> since federico said he would accept the patch upstream
[09:37] <seb128> pitti, do you want to do it?
[09:37] <pitti> seb128: I can spend an hour or two on it, yes
[09:37] <pitti> there's no upstream bug for this one yet, right?
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, that would be great, I've some paperwork I need to finish now
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, no there is not
[09:38] <pitti> ok, doing
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, it should be less than an hour, I've pointed the code concerned in the bug
[09:38] <seb128> it should just be a matter to add a gconf key and test it there
[09:38] <seb128> well maybe with build and testing one hour ;-)
[09:39]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[09:39] <jono> seb128, quick q - any idea how I can disable the evolution light version in the netbook edition and just use the regular evo?
[09:39] <jono> whenever I start it in unity I get the light evo
[09:39] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[09:39] <seb128> remove the launcher, start evolution and add it to the config?
[09:39] <jono> hmm I tried that and it seemed to reset
[09:40] <seb128> just guessing, didrocks did the work to use the express one in UNE
[09:40] <seb128> ok, so wait for didrocks
[09:41] <jono> thanks seb128!
[09:41] <seb128> yw ;-)
[09:42] <didrocks> jono: so, just close all evo instances
[09:43] <jono> didrocks, right
[09:43] <didrocks> jono: then, start it from the messaging menu (as XDG_DATA_PATH isn't set for that one)
[09:43] <jono> didrocks, aha!
[09:43] <didrocks> jono: for the launcher, you can workaround this
[09:43] <jono> didrocks, oh?
[09:43] <didrocks> jono: but I guess it will first try to run the express mode :)
[09:44] <didrocks> and you will loose the goodness of banshee netbook mode too
[09:44] <jono> didrocks, yeah, I tried to run the regular evo and add it to the launcher and it still runs the express mode
[09:44] <didrocks> (and make me sad of course :p)
[09:44] <jono> hehe
[09:44] <didrocks> right
[09:44] <jono> also, I am noticing that autocomplete in evo seems to have stopped working
[09:44] <seb128> the autocomplete?
[09:45] <jono> seb128, when entering the recipient in the TO field
[09:45] <didrocks> so, for workaround it in the launcher, and the application places and such, just edit: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60xdg_path-on-session and comment the part related to XDG_DATA_DIRS
[09:45] <seb128> jono, works there
[09:45] <seb128> we didn't get any bug about that yet
[09:45] <didrocks> in the express mode or full one?
[09:45] <jono> seb128, I just noticed now, just testing
[09:46] <seb128> did you select the contact list you use in the preferences?
[09:46] <seb128> ie, edit, preferences, contacts
[09:46] <seb128> you need to check the one you use
[09:46] <jono> seb128, hmmm it seems that all my contacts have vanished in evo
[09:46] <jono> which is slightly concerning
[09:47] <seb128> try to evolution --force-shutdown
[09:47] <jono> "This address book cannot be opened.  This either means that an incorrect URI was entered, or the server is unreachable."
[09:47] <seb128> then restart it
[09:47] <jono> trying
[09:48] <jono> seb128, same bug
[09:48] <jono> I will file a bug now
[09:48] <seb128> do you use local contacts?
[09:49] <seb128> or do you have those in desktopcouch or something?
[09:49] <jono> seb128, I use UbuntuOne for my contacts
[09:50] <seb128> talk to rodrigo_ then I guess
[09:50] <seb128> desktop doesn't take responsability for desktopcouch issues ;-)
[09:51] <seb128> you might want to open your bug directly on evolution-couchdb
[09:51] <jono> seb128, no worries :-)
[09:51] <didrocks> yeah, desktopcouch is still broken for a lot of people and not everyone has data sync
[09:51] <didrocks> jono: did you read my workaround for getting match to regular evolution?
[09:51] <jono> didrocks, yep, all good thanks :)
[09:52] <didrocks> jono: once that done, just restart the session and it will be good :)
[09:52] <didrocks> yw
[09:58] <seb128> pitti, I don't think use_boot_time_configuration speaks to users
[09:59] <pitti> seb128: that's the hardest part -- naming the key
[09:59] <seb128> ;-)
[09:59] <pitti>                 <short>Set default monitor configuration</short>
[09:59] <pitti>                 <long>Configure internal and external monitors according to the
[09:59] <pitti>                     turn_on_external_monitors_at_startup and
[09:59] <pitti>                     turn_on_laptop_monitor_at_startup settings and determine
[09:59] <pitti>                     appropriate cloning/side-by-side mode. If this is False,
[09:59] <pitti>                     the monitor settings are not touched at all.
[09:59] <pitti>                 </long>
[09:59] <seb128> he suggested a "do-not-touch" sort of name
[09:59] <pitti> that's what I just made up as description, WDYT?
[09:59] <pitti> do you know what he meant by that?
[09:59] <seb128> it's clear I like it
[10:00] <seb128> well something like "do-not-set-any-config"
[10:00] <pitti> I interpreted that as a key semantics he wanted "do not touch the curretn configuration'
[10:00] <seb128> or "let-xorg-do-the-work"
[10:00] <pitti> ah, this way around
[10:00] <pitti> use_xorg_monitor_settings
[10:00] <pitti> ?
[10:00] <pitti> dont_configure_monitors
[10:00] <pitti> ?
[10:01]  * pitti doesn't like negated names, though, and they aren't common
[10:02] <seb128> use_xorg_monitor_settings seems fine to me
[10:03] <pitti> okay, merci
[10:04] <pitti> followed up to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631388
[10:04] <ubot2> Gnome bug 631388 in plugins "Add gconf key to disable automatic xrandr settings without conf files" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[10:04] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[10:04] <seb128> "If this is False,
[10:04] <seb128>                      the monitor settings are not touched at all"
[10:04] <seb128> not sure if we should add "and there is no xml configuration"
[10:05] <seb128> well that's only a gconf key so let's not bother
[10:05] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[10:05] <seb128> how are you?
[10:05] <pitti> yes, I'm rewriting the description for the negated semantics now
[10:05] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[10:05] <chrisccoulson> i'm good thanks seb128, how are you?
[10:05] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you too?
[10:05] <seb128> I'm fine
[10:05] <pitti> I'm great, thanks
[10:07] <seb128> pitti, I've no strong opinion either way for the key semantic and reading again what federico said it seemed it doesn't either
[10:08] <seb128> just pick one get the patch in this way
[10:08] <pitti> seb128: I take it Frederico wants this on by default
[10:08] <seb128> well that's what the last line from the IRC log suggests
[10:08] <pitti> seb128: he wants it to be "False" by default, i. e. apply the gsd settings by default
[10:08] <pitti> thus it means he wants it to have the "use xorg settings" semantics
[10:09] <seb128> "leaning toward a do-not-touch kind of name now, with
[10:09] <seb128> False by default - if you need to make it True, it means that you have a
[10:09] <seb128> special case due to your X setup anyway"
[10:09] <pitti> right, I think the "special case" is when you need the gsd logic, but that's where we apparently disagree
[10:09] <seb128> well the "special case" is misleading
[10:09] <baptistemm> RAOF: didrocks suggested me to me you about bug 654768
[10:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654768 in xorg (Ubuntu) "GTK+ artefact in maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654768
[10:09] <pitti> but I'd rather hhave a high probability of having this key name being accepted upstream
[10:10] <seb128> yes, he thinks that's cases where g-s-d get it wrong are special cases
[10:10] <pitti> okay
[10:10] <seb128> like the first on the bug is using nvidia drivers and the monitor has a buggy EDID
[10:10] <pitti> and I have two monitors with different resolutions
[10:11] <seb128> well I'm not sure your case is a bug
[10:11] <rodrigo_> jono, having problems with desktopcouch?
[10:11] <pitti> well, gdm switches from 1280x1024 to 1024x768, and my sessio back to 1280
[10:11] <pitti> I consider this a bug
[10:11] <seb128> your session has 1280 because you have a stored config
[10:11] <pitti> two unnecessary mode swtiches, flicker, and slow boot
[10:12] <seb128> it would be interesting to know why it prefers 1024 though
[10:12] <seb128> I get a lower resolution there on the external monitor but that was already the case in lucid
[10:12] <jono> rodrigo_, yeah, you saw that bug?
[10:12] <seb128> that's because it sets the screen in mirror by default
[10:12] <seb128> so the external monitor get the laptop config
[10:13] <rodrigo_> jono, no, looking
[10:13] <seb128> lid closed doesn't make a difference because lid status detection is not something working
[10:14] <dpm> hi everyone. While testing the final maverick language packs, I've noticed that the gnome-language-selector translations are missing (bug 654548). Would it be possible to do a new upload of language-selector including an export of LP translations and bypassing pkgbinarymangler's translation-stripping part? It would be a workaround, but this way we'd have a translated language-selector without the need of new language packs.
[10:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654548 in ubuntu-translations "Language selector translation is missing from the final Maverick language packs (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654548
[10:14] <jono> rodrigo_, evo basically won't load my U1 address book
[10:15] <seb128> dpm, did you figure why the translations are not in the current export?
[10:16] <dpm> seb128, no, not yet, I have to check out the export tarballs first
[10:16] <dpm> tarball
[10:17] <seb128> dpm, you might want to ask on #ubuntu-release for whether we can still get an upload with the translations from launchpad
[10:17] <seb128> it's getting late
[10:17] <dpm> seb128, ok, good point, will do that, thanks
[10:17] <rodrigo_> jono, yeah, I've seen it, desktopcouch having problems with credentials it seems
[10:19] <jono> rodrigo_, ahhh
[10:19] <jono> it seemed the bug priority was pretty low
[10:21] <didrocks> seb128: do you know some duplicate reports about bug #641102 ? It seems some people are getting it in the french community. I can't confirm it
[10:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641102 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Desktop is frozen after login on battery (msi u210) (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641102
[10:22] <seb128> no
[10:23] <rodrigo_> jono, see my comment on the bug
[10:23] <didrocks> ok, if we don't get duplicates, seems to be related to that hw then. Thanks
[10:23] <seb128> well I'm not sure where those duplicates would get open
[10:25] <didrocks> yeah, can be other assigned to a lot of gnome components depending on what the user think, right :) but if you didn't read any others, I think that's already a clue it's not a widely spread one
[10:32] <sabdfl> Cimi: hi
[10:37] <pitti> hey sabdfl, how are you?
[10:37] <sabdfl> pitti: good thanks, enjoying UIST 2010 in NYC with oubiwann-away and johnlea
[10:37] <pitti> you're up early then
[10:38] <pitti> seb128: hah, now maverick is a work of perfection -- gdm unbroken :)
[10:38] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[10:39] <seb128> pitti, btw did you investigate what change in start time between lucid and maverick out of that one?
[10:39] <pitti> seb128: 5 seconds is due to me changing my swap partition
[10:39] <pitti> this causes the "resume" and "wait-for-root" initramfs scripts to wait for 5 secs
[10:39] <pitti> seb128: about two seconds was for the extra mode switch
[10:40] <pitti> I haven't looked at the other bits yet
[10:40] <pitti> I'll just reinstall this machine with the final maverick candidates anyway
[10:42] <seb128> pitti, can you join #ubuntu-release?
[10:43] <pitti> seb128: done
[10:44] <seb128> pitti, danke
[10:47] <slomo> didrocks: your banshee empty-library-notification patch is wrong, it also shows the notification if your search doesn't give any results
[10:48] <didrocks> slomo: right, I know. I didn't have the time to polish this unfortunately and I don't know enough of banshee internals to strip that case. patch welcomed (or I can talk to bertrand when he got some time) :)
[10:49] <pitti> seb128: bug 640807 updated with the patch links -- would you mind eyeballing this and add your signoff to the bug?
[10:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 640807 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "automatic xrandr module misconfigures monitors (affects: 13) (dups: 3) (heat: 54)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640807
[10:50] <slomo> didrocks: ok, maybe drop that patch then? that's more confusing than an empty library imho :P
[10:50] <seb128> pitti, reviewing it
[10:51] <didrocks> slomo: the empty library is really confusing in the case of the netbook ui
[10:51] <didrocks> slomo: and also, it seems that you are making a search on something you don't have, then, I can make sense to tell "you can drop your music there…"
[10:53] <slomo> didrocks: well, it was a typo.. but yes, it could make sense but for a search without results a different message would be better :)
[10:53] <didrocks> slomo: I agree. I'm hoping someone to step on that or having some time next week
[10:53] <didrocks> but I have to look at banshee factory for that
[10:55] <seb128> pitti, isn't the check reversed?
[10:55] <seb128> pitti, no ignore me
[10:55] <seb128> pitti, seems fine to me, +1
[10:55] <pitti> seb128: no, !use_xorg == use_my_own_logic
[10:56] <seb128> right ;-)
[10:58] <seb128> urg, suck, I delete my gpg key on this box by error
[10:59] <seb128> can some upload language-selector with a "export NO_PKG_MANGLE=1"
[10:59] <seb128> in the rules?
[10:59] <seb128> pitti, chrisccoulson: ^
[10:59] <pitti> can do
[10:59] <seb128> I suck, I managed to delete my gpg dir
[10:59] <pitti> seb128: does this have a bug already?
[11:00] <seb128> I will fetch a backup over lunch
[11:00] <pitti> seb128: ouch -- do you have a backup of your key?
[11:00] <pitti> *phew*
[11:00] <seb128> pitti, bug #654548
[11:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654548 in ubuntu-translations "Language selector translation is missing from the final Maverick language packs (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654548
[11:00] <seb128> pitti, yes ;-)
[11:00] <seb128> though in any case it would not be the end of the world, I really need to do a new key
[11:00] <seb128> mine is 10 years old
[11:01] <seb128> it's on old standards
[11:04] <pitti> seb128: g-s-d uploaded, but I can't self-approve it
[11:05] <seb128> I guess cjwatson can review it for us?
[11:05] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, sorry, i went to make tea
[11:05] <chrisccoulson> before realising my kettle has died ;)
[11:06] <seb128> you stopped drinking coffee?
[11:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no worry, pitti is on it ;-)
[11:06] <pitti> no, I'm not
[11:07] <pitti> I can't fix chrisccoulson's kettle!
[11:07] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:07] <seb128> you should!
[11:07] <seb128> ;-)
[11:07] <chrisccoulson> i think i should make some coffee instead ;)
[11:07] <pitti> <jedi wave>this is not the beverage you are looking for
[11:07] <seb128> well he was not apparently but the kettle broke
[11:08] <seb128> somewhat the universe wants him to drink coffee
[11:08] <seb128> ;-)
[11:08] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[11:14] <seb128> brb session restart
[11:16] <pitti> rickspencer3: hey, good morning
[11:17] <pitti> seb128: yay, gsd got accepted
[11:17] <seb128> rickspencer3, hey
[11:17] <pitti> maverick -> perfection \o/
[11:17] <seb128> pitti, waouh, you rock, thanks a lot
[11:17]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[11:17] <pitti> my pleasure
[11:17] <pitti> it was nagging me anyway
[11:17] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[11:18] <seb128> rickspencer3, how is London? are you in the office yet?
[11:31] <fta> is there a way to make evolution go offline/online from the outside? (i mean, a dbus signal or something)?
[11:38] <ara> didrocks, launchpad guys are having a look to the 502 issue
[11:39] <ara> didrocks, in the mean time, you may want to have a look to the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/simple-scan/+bug/655030
[11:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 655030 in simple-scan (Ubuntu) "Simple Scan is crashing when scanning in Photo quality (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[11:39] <ara> didrocks, in the body I explain how to reproduce it (or at least, how I reproduce it)
[11:41] <didrocks> ara: ok, the only issue is that I've there only one scanner not compatible with ubuntu and mine is packed in a box. chrisccoulson do you have one handy, to confirm the crash? :)
[11:42] <didrocks> I can maybe just play with the trace, but it will be easier from someone which can reproduce it
[11:42] <didrocks> who*
[11:42] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - yeah, i've got a huge scanner here
[11:42] <didrocks> huge? :)
[11:44] <ara> chrisccoulson, so it is bug 655030 if you can have a look :)
[11:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 655030 in simple-scan (Ubuntu) "Simple Scan is crashing when scanning in Photo quality (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655030
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - yeah, i've got one of these: http://tinyurl.com/38688yf
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> it's massive ;)
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> ara - ok, i'll see if i can recreate it
[11:44] <ara> wow! that wouldn't fit in my 50m2 apartment
[11:44] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: waow, are you opening a shop? :-) thanks!
[11:45] <didrocks> during a firefox compilation, we know now what you are doing! :-)
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:48] <Cimi> davidbarth: we have sabdfl's approval for the merge of my branch
[11:49] <Cimi> davidbarth: I've spoken with daniel forè too, but he is doing things in the right way
[11:49] <Cimi> so, the right behaviour is with some padding as we have now
[11:49] <ara> rickspencer3, hello!
[11:50] <rickspencer3> hi ara, didrocks, seb128 .... you may be shocked to learn I am in a meeting :/
[11:50] <sabdfl> bad habit, that
[11:51] <ara> rickspencer3, whenever you're free during the day, I would like to have a quick chat with you
[11:51] <ara> (if you ever have some spare moment during the day)
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, simple-scan doesn't scan anything from my scanner in maverick
[11:56] <didrocks> ok, crashed once again
[11:57] <davidbarth> Cimi: ok, but that breaks with the additional application launchers at the bottom of the menu
[11:58] <davidbarth> Cimi: so for those, there should be some extra -panel versions, at least the ones we know will be used in this context
[11:59] <davidbarth> Cimi: said -panel versions would have the extra padding, it that ends up being the right/standardized way of arranging icons layout
[12:02] <Cimi> davidbarth: sabdfl is ok with the triangle touching the icon
[12:02] <sabdfl> more than OK, that was the intention, a la the Unity launcher
[12:02] <Cimi> davidbarth: I've shown him the screenshots
[12:03] <Cimi> so go and merge my branch man! :P
[12:07] <davidbarth> Cimi: hold on, which screenshot was approved? because i need to trace that back to the right branch and double check the values
[12:07] <Cimi> davidbarth: mines and yours
[12:07] <davidbarth> Cimi: we tried a few combinations with 4 or 5 pixel width and chaotic was mentioning that the 4 pix. version was too small, while the 5 pix. one had the triangle too close
[12:07] <Cimi> your with conv oo
[12:07] <Cimi> yes
[12:08] <Cimi> sabdfl: tell davidbarth you like the triangle touching the icon here: http://imagebin.org/116943
[12:08] <Cimi> he doesn't trust me :)
[12:14] <davidbarth> Cimi: ah, thanks for the link
[12:15] <Cimi> davidbarth: having a server with an always-on connection to irc helps a lot ;)
[12:15] <davidbarth> Cimi: ok, so it's your branch, without changes; great
[12:18] <Cimi> jbache: the issue with qt and light-themes was fixed
[12:18] <Cimi> so, cool and thanks for your work
[12:19] <jbache> Cimi: I noticed after I updated to 10.10. Cool to have it resolved so fast
[12:19] <Cimi> that's because you were fast ;)
[12:20] <Cimi> communication with upstream developers is really important, ehehe seb128 :-P
[12:20] <jbache> Cimi: we are looking into the font issue as well But that will have to wait for the next cycle
[12:20] <Cimi> jbache: font issue? which one?
[12:21] <jbache> Cimi: the hint style in Qt doesnt allways match Gtk+. It has been bugging me for a while. Especially if you play around with font settings.
[12:22] <jbache> Cimi: Patch is difficult as in order for Qt to do what Gtk does, we have to sacrifice font-specific hint-settings. (i.e use xconfig). Hopefully we can find some sort of compromise
[12:23] <Cimi> jbache: it's impossible for you to ask the engine to draw the layout?
[12:24] <jbache> Cimi: No font rendering is not done by the theme engine. We use the same way to draw fonts but Qt and Gtk are using different ways of interpreting your settings.
[12:25] <Cimi> ok
[12:25] <sabdfl> Cimi: yes, i'm happy with it in both ambiance and radiance
[12:26] <Cimi> davidbarth: ^^
[12:27] <davidbarth> sabdfl, Cimi: ok, thanks; i've approved the branch now
[12:29] <Cimi> supercool, thanks
[13:14] <seb128> hum
[13:14] <seb128> mvo, !!!
[13:14] <seb128> $ apt-cache rdepends libglade2
[13:14] <seb128> E: Handler silently failed
[13:15] <seb128> ok, somewhat my fault for using the wrong binary name :p
[13:15] <seb128> but the message is not great either ;-)
[13:17] <mdeslaur> seb128: LP: #647045
[13:18] <seb128> bug #647045
[13:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 647045 in apt (Ubuntu) "[maverick] apt-cache rdepends returns cryptic error message (affects: 1) (heat: 581)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/647045
[13:18] <seb128> hey mdeslaur btw
[13:18] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[13:18] <mvo> thanks seb128 and mdeslaur
[13:18] <mvo> seb128: and don't use !!! in the release week, I almost had a heart attack ;)
[13:18] <seb128> lol
[13:18]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[13:19]  * mvo hugs seb128 back
[13:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, Cimi: is there any bug about firefox menus don't having the same text color on selection than GTK softwares?
[13:19] <seb128> using the light theme
[13:20] <seb128> like the text is white on grey which is hard to read
[13:27] <Cimi> seb128: you mean inactive text?
[13:28] <seb128> Cimi, no, I mean the text of the selected menu in the menubar
[13:28] <seb128> ie "Edit"
[13:28] <seb128> in firefox
[13:29] <Cimi> the text is white
[13:29] <Cimi> the menubaritem is dark
[13:29] <Cimi> sshot please?
[13:29] <seb128> I'm using the light theme
[13:29] <seb128> sure, one min
[13:34] <seb128> Cimi, chrisccoulson: http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/theme.png
[13:35] <seb128> Cimi, see the text under the cursor
[13:35] <seb128> it's white
[13:36] <Cimi> true
[13:36] <Cimi> I was using ambiance
[13:36] <Cimi> known firefox bug :(
[13:36] <Cimi> the menubaritem is seen as a menuitem
[13:36] <Cimi> so it reads the gtkmenuitem text color
[13:36] <Cimi> but not the bg
[13:37] <seb128> ok
[13:38] <seb128> I will check if the bug is tracked with chrisccoulson when he's back from lunch
[13:38] <seb128> Cimi, thanks
[13:38] <Cimi> thanks for nothing seb :(
[13:38] <Cimi> I don't know how to fix this bug
[13:38] <Cimi> let me thing
[13:49] <Cimi> seb128: maybe using a custom userstyle script or editing chrome.css
[13:49] <Cimi> (maybe)
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> seb128 , Cimi - see mozilla bug 461530 perhaps
[13:50] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 461530 in General "Firefox does not fully adhere to GTK+2/GNOME theme in Linux" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461530
[13:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the bug indicates the menubar issue has been fixed and point to another bug
[13:51] <seb128> do we have this supposed fix in our version?
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that bug is quite old
[13:52] <Cimi> chrisccoulson: but why we are reproducing that bug, then?
[13:54] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure, it seems like the text is white with any theme
[13:56] <Cimi> chrisccoulson: because it is using the gtkmenuitem text
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can see that now
[13:58] <Cimi> could you check if that patch was applied?
[13:59] <Cimi> chrisccoulson: ^^
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the patch was applied ages ago
[14:00] <Cimi> so I have no ideas why it is not working
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll take a look at it later on today
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> i've got security updates to work on first though
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> which takes higher priority unfortunately
[14:02] <chrisccoulson> it should be pretty easy to figure out
[14:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson, there was no hurry there I was just wondering if that's something known and being worked
[14:02] <Cimi> chrisccoulson: the patch is broken
[14:02] <Cimi> :-)
[14:02] <Cimi> just read the code
[14:02] <Cimi> sMenuBarHoverText = GDK_COLOR_TO_NS_RGB(style->fg[GTK_STATE_SELECTED]);
[14:02] <Cimi> it should be
[14:02] <Cimi> sMenuBarHoverText = GDK_COLOR_TO_NS_RGB(style->fg[GTK_STATE_PRELIGHT]);
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i thought it would be something like that. all this code is doing is creating a few widgets just to get their style
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> and then getting rid of them again ;)
[14:04] <seb128> mvo, so tell me, will we still have synaptic in the default installation next cycle?
[14:04] <anmar> pitti: regarding the HD spin down issue. How can we get the old behaviour? can we disable the "spin down" option in power manager since it is misleading?
[14:04] <mvo> seb128: maybe not
[14:04] <seb128> mvo, I don't want a maybe reply ;-)
[14:05] <seb128> mvo, joke aside what are the plans for next cycle? why do we still need it?
[14:05] <mvo> I think we will not need it, but I don't know from the top of my head what might still use it
[14:05] <Cimi> seb128: ^^
[14:05] <Cimi> seb128: I've figured out the issue
[14:05] <pitti> anmar: the "old" behaviour as in maverick alpha? you could just change the power.d hook
[14:05] <seb128> Cimi, it's just changing selected to prelight?
[14:06] <anmar> pitti: Ahh... I see.. ok. thanks a lot.
[14:06] <Cimi> seb128: I think so
[14:06] <seb128> Cimi, I'm not sure I fancy building firefox only to test that though ;-) I might just wait for chriscoulson to do a rebuild for another reason to test it
[14:06] <pitti> anmar: the nonworking option in power-manager seems to be a separate issue
[14:06] <pitti> anmar: it's still a bug, of course
[14:08] <Cimi> seb128: me could fix that even in radiance
[14:08] <Cimi> seb128: it is working, though I'm not sure if it's sane enough
[14:09] <seb128> Cimi, well better to fix it in firefox if the one liner you suggested works
[14:09] <ara> chrisccoulson, so, did you get the chance to have a look to the simple-scan bug?
[14:09] <Cimi> I am worried about other themes
[14:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^ do you think you could sneak that change in your next build?
[14:09] <Cimi> we might need to test it
[14:09] <seb128> Cimi, you think they have workarounds for it and would break? or is using prelight wrong for a reason?
[14:09] <Cimi> I think they might be using selected for a wrong reason
[14:10] <Cimi> and prelight may broke them
[14:10] <Cimi> *break
[14:10]  * kenvandine grumbles about simple, obvious bugs being discovered after RC!
[14:10] <seb128> hey kenvandine
[14:10] <seb128> which one?
[14:10] <Cimi> good morning ken :)
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i could get that in,  it's a pretty trivial change
[14:11] <kenvandine> "Setup broadcast accounts" in the messaging menu...
[14:11] <Cimi> seb128: he is making joke of us
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> ara - i couldn't recreate it :(
[14:11] <kenvandine> doesn't prompt you to setup accounts
[14:11] <kenvandine> it opens an empty gwibber window
[14:11] <seb128> great
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> but i am using a network scanner. i could try and connect it directly via USB later on, but i need to move the scanner first
[14:11] <seb128> kenvandine, you can still get that in today
[14:11] <ara> chrisccoulson, OK, thanks
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> (although, i suppose i could just put my laptop on it) ;)
[14:11] <kenvandine> during the sqlite switch the account detection code was removed :/
[14:11] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah... i will have a fix in a moment
[14:12] <kenvandine> annoying that such obvious things get missed, can't believe in all my testing i missed that
[14:12]  * kenvandine adds that to the list of test cases to add to the desktop testing project :)
[14:12]  * bcurtiswx_ waves to didrocks
[14:13] <didrocks> hey bcurtiswx_
[14:13] <kenvandine> in fact, i'll add the test case before i fix it :)
[14:13] <seb128> ;-)
[14:13] <bcurtiswx_> where is this list, i'd be interested in what has been selected for empathy
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - that change is ok as a SRU isn't it? i'm pretty unlikely to get it built and tested today unfrtunately
[14:18] <Cimi> seb128: so I might need to add a simple workaround in radiance
[14:19] <seb128> Cimi, you think it's safer than fixing firefox then?
[14:19] <seb128> seems fine as well
[14:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, no firefox upload now, work on your security update rather ;-)
[14:19] <Cimi> so you think there's a place where selected fg color is used in the menubar?
[14:22] <seb128> I would think not but I'm not sure
[14:22] <seb128> seems a bit late to try and have somebody noticing issues after the upload
[14:22] <Cimi> but we will fix firefox
[14:22] <Cimi> which might be a bigger advantage
[14:22] <seb128> we should yes
[14:23] <seb128> well the default theme is ok right?
[14:23] <Cimi> yes
[14:24] <Cimi> just radiance
[14:25] <njin> hello to all; i've a bug report concerning in loss of favourites due to upgratde to MM UNR but i don't use UNR and i don't know at wich package assign the bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/654969
[14:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654969 in ubuntu "unr favorites lost on upgrade to maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:25] <njin> Thanks in advance
[14:25] <seb128> njin, hey
[14:26] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[14:26] <njin> seb128: didrocks?
[14:26] <seb128> njin, what do you call unr 2d? in maverick we have unity and it fallback to GNOME if 3d is not working
[14:27] <didrocks> njin: one second, let me look at the bug report
[14:27] <seb128> njin, I'm pinging didrocks who maintains UNE
[14:27] <seb128> njin, he can probably better reply to your issue
[14:27] <Cimi> ahah njin thought didrocks was the package maybe :D
[14:27] <njin> seb128:LOL
[14:27] <didrocks> Cimi: is that a promotion? :-)
[14:27] <Cimi> ahah
[14:27] <didrocks> njin: the favorites you lost, are they webpage bookmarks by any chance?
[14:28] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx_,  http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications
[14:28] <njin> didrocks: no he talk about launchrs
[14:28] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, thx
[14:29] <didrocks> njin: in UNE lucid, launchers can be webpage bookmarks
[14:29] <seb128> njin, could you give example of launchers which have been dropped
[14:29] <njin> ok, i ask to the reporter more infos.
[14:29] <njin> Thanks to all
[14:29] <didrocks> njin: ok, then ask him first to name of the favorites he lost
[14:30]  * ara hugs kenvandine for adding gwibber testcases :)
[14:30] <seb128> ara, how is the testing effort going btw?
[14:30]  * kenvandine hugs ara for being awesome!
[14:30] <didrocks> njin: thanks, keep us in touch :)
[14:31] <seb128> ara, btw I just noticed that page doesn't test our default photo manager
[14:31] <njin> ok
[14:31] <seb128> there is still f-spot listed
[14:31] <ara> seb128, yes, we need test cases, first :)
[14:31] <seb128> I see ;-)
[14:31] <ara> seb128, nevertheless, the testing cycle is finished for Maverick now, it went pretty well. I would like to discuss it during UDS to make it even better in Natty :)
[14:32] <seb128> I didn't have much time for it but I will try to join the discuss and help a bit next cycle
[14:32] <Cimi> seb128: I think that no app is using selected in menubar
[14:33] <seb128> ok, so doing the change should be ok
[14:33] <seb128> can you talk to kenvandine to get that uploaded?
[14:34] <Cimi> seb128: can I add a small fix too?
[14:34] <Cimi> there's something printed in the terminal
[14:34] <Cimi> (odd_row color etc etc)
[14:34] <seb128> yes
[14:34] <Cimi> ok
[14:35] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ can you sponsor the light-themes fixes from Cimi when they will be ready, should be an easy update
[14:35] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:35] <Cimi> I'll update the deb package as well ;)
[14:37] <seb128> cyphermox, mterry: hey
[14:37] <mterry> seb128, yo
[14:38] <seb128> hey mterry, how are you?
[14:38] <mterry> seb128, good.  What's up?
[14:38] <seb128> mterry, how busy are you?
[14:38] <seb128> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome3-gtkbuilder
[14:38] <mterry> seb128, I can take something
[14:39] <seb128> would be nice to get starting on cleaning some old techs for next cycle
[14:39] <seb128> I just wanted to point that list
[14:39] <cyphermox> seb128, hey
[14:39] <seb128> if one of you have time and want to help mvo by porting synaptic or apturl to gtkbuilder
[14:39] <mterry> seb128, ah sure.  Would be fun
[14:39] <seb128> the checkbox and software-properties bugs show has having vcs code, that might need an update
[14:40] <cyphermox> seb128, pitti, I had a patch for the use_xorg_... but was also looking at the preferred mode part :/ pitti is too fast ;)
[14:40] <seb128> cyphermox, hello, how are you?
[14:40] <cyphermox> seb128, doing pretty good :)
[14:40] <pitti> hey cyphermox
[14:40] <cyphermox> pitti, hey :)
[14:40] <seb128> cyphermox, sorry we wanted to get that in before the freeze and there was no update on the bug this morning
[14:40] <pitti> cyphermox: sorry, I didn't know that you were working on it
[14:40] <seb128> cyphermox, if you would still figure why it's getting the mode wrongs that would be useful
[14:40] <cyphermox> seb128, right, I understand. in hindsight I should have set it in progress and proposed that patch first
[14:40] <seb128> that's still a bug
[14:40] <cyphermox> yup
[14:41] <seb128> would -> could
[14:41] <pitti> seb128: it's the same mode that X picks, FTR
[14:41] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[14:41]  * mvo hugs seb128
[14:41] <pitti> i. e. xrandr default, I assume
[14:41] <seb128> pitti, no
[14:41] <pitti> I have to create an xorg.conf to change the resolution to 1280x1024
[14:41] <seb128> pitti, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=572502
[14:41] <ubot2> Gnome bug 572502 in libgnome-desktop "gnome-display-properties should pick the preferred xrandr mode" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[14:42] <seb128> pitti, xrandr has some cleverness to figure what the preferred mode is
[14:43] <seb128> mterry, if you start working on one of those gtkbuilder port or want to work on one please assign it to you
[14:43] <cyphermox> seb128, pitti, so I'm trying to look at the xrandr code and figure a way to massage that into something that could fit in g-s-d
[14:43] <seb128> cyphermox, ^
[14:43] <Cimi> seb128: kenvandine someone pls approve my membership of ubuntu artwork packagers
[14:43] <pitti> cyphermox: so, seems we worked on independent patches after all, good
[14:43] <Cimi> so that I can push to trunk
[14:43] <seb128> cyphermox, it should probably be in gnome-desktop I guess
[14:43] <seb128> Cimi, I'm not admin of this team but I guess davidbarth can?
[14:43] <seb128> davidbarth, ^
[14:44] <cyphermox> pitti, I did have the same patch for the gconf key, but was still missing the schema part when I went to bed
[14:44] <seb128> cyphermox, sorry about the work duplication there
[14:44] <seb128> well it was not days of work at least
[14:44] <seb128> the change is pretty small
[14:44] <Cimi> and kwwii
[14:45] <cyphermox> pitti, no all good, it's good confirmation that I could understand enough how it works ;)
[14:45] <seb128> cyphermox, try to make sure you comment on bugs you start working on, or assign them to you
[14:45] <cyphermox> yeah - assign
[14:45] <cyphermox> seb128, and what about checkbox and software-properties?
[14:45] <seb128> cyphermox, usually I would have waited for you to be online to check how work was going but since freeze is rsn and we wanted that in before
[14:46] <cyphermox> ah i see
[14:46] <cyphermox> yup
[14:46] <Cimi> seb128: or add me to "Ubuntu Desktop"
[14:46] <seb128> cyphermox, those have vcs icons, I'm not sure if the patches are working or uptodate though
[14:46] <seb128> cyphermox, if you want to check they still apply and work or update them please do
[14:46] <cyphermox> just saw them now
[14:48] <Cimi> seb128: ?
[14:48] <seb128> Cimi, no, ubuntu desktop gives access to the whole GNOME packaging and we have rules that people need a minimal number of GNOME updates before joining that team
[14:49] <seb128> Cimi, davidbarth should be able to add you to the artwork packagers one when he's back
[14:50] <Cimi> seb128: OT: why "128"?
[14:50] <Cimi> :-)
[14:51] <seb128> boring reason
[14:51] <soren> seb, seb1, seb2, seb3..., seb127 were all taken?
[14:51] <seb128> "seb" is usually taken, "seb2" "seb3" etc as well
[14:51] <Cimi> ahah
[14:51] <seb128> so I just picked a random power of 2
[14:51] <Cimi> ahah
[14:51] <Cimi> ok
[14:51] <soren> Wow. I was closer than I thought :)
[14:51] <seb128> and it sticked ;-)
[14:51] <seb128> soren, you probably had the explanation before at some uds or allhand though :p
[14:52] <seb128> no?
[14:52] <seb128> that's not the first time somebody asks about it ;-)
[14:52] <Cimi> eheh curiosity, I am curious
[14:52] <soren> seb128: I remember my first AllHands where everyone with odd nicks had to explain them. I don't think you were among them.
[14:53] <seb128> I went on the stage to explain my once
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> i don't think my nick needs any explaining ;)
[14:53] <seb128> I'm not sure where it was though, I think in Boston
[14:53] <soren> seb128: Nor was I (I was "shawarma" at the time) and nor was cjwatson (who were "Kamion" at the time).
[14:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you are a boring man :p
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> lol
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> thanks ;)
[14:53] <soren> seb128: Yep, this was in Boston.
[14:53] <soren> seb128: Well, Plymouth.
[14:53] <seb128> you're welcome ;-)
[14:53] <seb128> soren, I did explain mine there :p
[14:53] <soren> seb128: Ah.
[14:54] <nosluoccsirhc> is that better? ;)
[14:54] <seb128> lol
[14:54] <Cimi> lol
[14:54] <seb128> you didn't even made typo
[14:54] <seb128> that's not fun :p
[14:54] <nosluoccsirhc> heh, i was careful ;)
[14:54] <imiC> omg
[14:54] <nosluoccsirhc> lol
[14:55]  * pitti looks that up in a Klingon dictionary
[14:55] <nosluoccsirhc> :)
[14:55] <pitti> nosluoccsirhc: ... it means "if you don't bring me a blood wine right now, I'll cut your throat!"
[14:55] <nosluoccsirhc> lol
[14:57] <davidbarth> Cimi: which team do you need to be on?
[14:58] <pitti> chrisccoulson: what about /nick uosןnoɔɔsıɹɥɔ ?
[14:58] <Cimi> davidbarth: Ubuntu Artwork Packagers
[14:58] <Cimi> so I can push to light-themes
[14:58] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I promise, it'll make your IRC life a lot quieter!
[14:58] <chrisccoulson> pitti - that's a good idea ;)
[14:58] <pitti> freenode -- | ıʇʇıd: Erroneous Nickname
[14:59] <pitti> bah
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i just tried it too ;)
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> ooh, i've just fired up my karmic KVM and i have the wonderful sight of xsplash
[15:00] <seb128> lol
[15:02] <davidbarth> Cimi: sorry, i can't add you to the team, i'm not an admin for it
[15:03] <Cimi> yeah
[15:03] <Cimi> let me push on a separate branch then
[15:04] <Cimi> seb128: kenvandine https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/light-themes/firefox-radiance-menubaritem-fix/+merge/37603
[15:08] <kenvandine> Cimi, i can merge that
[15:09] <seb128> thanks guys
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> oh, so we're going to work around it in the theme then?
[15:25] <Cimi> chrisccoulson: yes
[15:34] <seb128> dpm, hey
[15:34] <seb128> dpm, did you have a bug about the indicator-appmenu default menu not being translatable?
[15:35] <dpm> seb128, no, it was something I just noticed that day when we were talking about it. Do you want me to file one?
[15:36] <seb128> dpm, no, for info it's fixed by https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=622658
[15:36] <ubot2> Gnome bug 622658 in gtk "GTK_STOCK_FILE Stock Label" [Trivial,Resolved: fixed]
[15:36] <seb128> dpm, http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=164548
[15:36] <seb128> we will try to get in the next gtk update
[15:36] <dpm> seb128, ah, cool, thanks for the heads up
[15:37] <seb128> dpm, you're welcome
[15:44] <kenvandine> Cimi, seb128: light-themes merged and uploaded
[15:44] <Cimi> super cool
[15:44] <Cimi> thanks
[15:44] <seb128> great work
[15:44] <kenvandine> seb128, uploaded gwibber too...
[15:44] <kenvandine> so annoyed by that bug...
[15:44] <seb128> thanks Cimi kenvandine
[15:44] <kenvandine> seb128, i am about to finish murrine
[15:44] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, it seemed you are taking it personnaly that it didn't get noticed before :p
[15:45] <kenvandine> was updating the copyright file last night... but decided to look over when i was not over-tired :)
[15:45] <seb128> well at least you got it before the release
[15:45] <seb128> kenvandine, ok
[15:46] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah... well i kept using the "Broadcast Accounts... " launcher in the me-menu during install testing
[15:46] <kenvandine> never even occurred to me to try the messaging menu on first run
[15:46] <kenvandine> also annoyed when people remove chunks of code without adding a "FIXME" at least :)
[15:47] <seb128> you don't review commits the way dx is doing for gwibber right?
[15:47] <seb128> code reviews are nice for those sort of things ;-)
[15:47] <kenvandine> i do actually :)
[15:47] <kenvandine> but
[15:48] <kenvandine> this was part of the massive couch->sqlite change
[15:48] <kenvandine> which included entire python files changing number of spaces for indent...
[15:48] <kenvandine> impossible to compare every line...
[15:48] <seb128> oh right
[15:48] <seb128> well with some luck that was a one time situation
[15:49] <kenvandine> yeah... well gwibber is working the best it has in a long time :)
[15:49] <njin> hello, here again for bug 654969
[15:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654969 in ubuntu "unr favorites lost on upgrade to maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654969
[15:49] <njin> loss favorites were firefox, evolution, cheese, empathy, ubuntunsoftware center, openoffice spreadsheet, open office writer, updatenmanager, and fspot. After upgrading to 10.10, only openofficenspreadsheet, open office writer, update manager, and fspot remained.
[15:50] <njin> didrocks, seb128: ^^
[15:50] <didrocks> hum, weird, default favorites are added back and are hardcoded
[15:51] <didrocks> so, there is something weird in that report :)
[15:51] <didrocks> firefox, evolution, cheese, empathy, ubuntunsoftwarek center
[15:51] <didrocks> -> those are hardcoded
[15:51] <didrocks> I'll ask in the bug report
[15:52] <seb128> what is the 2d UNR in maverick?
[15:53] <didrocks> oh good point
[15:53] <didrocks> thanks seb128
[15:54] <didrocks> was going to be crazy :)
[15:54] <didrocks> it's still netbook-launcher-efl
[15:54] <didrocks> and they change the favorite path
[15:54] <didrocks> I think, they didn't think about migration
[15:56] <didrocks> njin: ok, set to the right package and added a comment
[15:56] <didrocks> thanks again seb128, I was going in the wrong path :)
[15:57] <seb128> didrocks, you're welcome
[15:58] <mpt> tremolux, hi, is "Independent" supposed to be appearing by itself now?
[15:58] <jcastro> who on -desktop is responsible for the likewise bits? Upstream is asking some questions and I'd like to point them someplace, or should I point them to -desktop list?
[15:59] <tremolux> mpt: hey, it would except there is currently nothing in extras.ubuntu.com
[15:59] <seb128> jcastro: pitti
[15:59] <seb128> or he has been in contact with those guys before
[15:59] <seb128> but likewise isn't something desktopish really
[15:59] <jcastro> ok, there appears to be someone new and I want to put him in the right place
[15:59] <jcastro> and the -server folks were clear that likewise is yours
[16:00] <jcastro> I asked. :)
[16:03] <mpt> tremolux, I followed your ppa:app-review-board/ppa instructions, and two minutes and two launches later, it's not showing up. Is it still supposed to?
[16:03] <jcastro> seb128: is the ownership of the package in dispute? I don't want to step in a server/desktop issue and drag the upstream with it
[16:03] <^arky^> hi mpt
[16:03] <mpt> hi ^arky^
[16:03] <^arky^> You sent me a email ? wondering what was it about?
[16:04] <tremolux> mpt: there's nothing in the app-review-board PPA either now, extras is a mirror of that
[16:04] <mpt> ^arky^, oh, just because you helped us out with Ubuntu Software Center
[16:05] <mpt> tremolux, ok. So it will appear automatically, for everyone, when the first application arrives?
[16:06] <tremolux> mpt: yes
[16:06] <mpt> ok
[16:06] <^arky^> mpt, oh! I thought you were coming down to hanoi coz you asked for my address
[16:06] <jcastro> seb128: I am under the impression that both teams maintain different parts of it?
[16:06] <seb128> jcastro: check with pitti or rickspencer3, they know what was going on
[16:07] <tremolux> mpt: sounds like we need another test package there tho, as I'm not sure when any of the package for review will make their way through
[16:07] <seb128> jcastro: I didn't get by then why it would be a desktop thing, but pitti worked with them and probably knows better
[16:08] <jcastro> ok
[16:13] <^arky^> mpt, if you like my work please do leave a good testimonial on my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/arky
[16:13] <mpt> ^arky^, will do
[16:13] <^arky^> mpt, thanks will get back to you with more a11y bugs after ubuntu+1
[16:16] <mterry> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu/maverick/apturl/gtkbuilder/+merge/37619
[16:19] <seb128> mvo, ^
[16:20] <seb128> mterry, seems fine from a quick glance, great work ;-)
[16:20] <pitti> jcastro: the upstream guys mostly maintain it by themselves, or at least used to
[16:20] <pitti> we by and large just sponsored changes
[16:20] <pitti> jcastro: we don't really have a clue about it, I'm afraid
[16:21] <seb128> mterry, feel free to claim the synaptic one as well if you want, mvo said that glade-3 didn't like the current .glade so be warned
[16:21] <mterry> seb128, k
[16:21] <seb128> mterry, ie opening and saving the .glade seems to create issues
[16:21] <jcastro> pitti: ok they have some fixes in a PPA and mathiaz has explained the basic workflow, what would you like me to do, make introductions or .. ?
[16:21] <jcastro> pitti: this is an excellent case for per package uploaders!
[16:23] <pitti> jcastro: Gerry and I already know each other
[16:23] <pitti> jcastro: well, I still had to make a lot of packaging corrections
[16:23] <pitti> I'm afraid they are not that far yet
[16:23] <pitti> jcastro: so far the workflow was that he mailed me or sub'ed me to a bug for sponsoring
[16:23] <jcastro> pitti: it appears to be a new person, scott salley
[16:24] <pitti> okay; so, from my POV the same would work -- just mail me or sub me to a bug for sponsoring or discussion
[16:24] <jcastro> ok
[16:26] <mterry> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu/maverick/system-config-printer/gtkbuilder/+merge/37621
[16:27] <mvo> mterry: woah, thanks :)
[16:28] <seb128> mterry, ;-)
[16:28] <jibel> cyphermox, thank you for taking care of synaptic :-)
[16:28] <seb128> fredp, hey
[16:29] <seb128> fredp, how do you build your http://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/299.html?
[16:29] <cyphermox>  jibel, it's *huge*, but slowly working on it ;)
[16:30] <seb128> hum
[16:30] <mvo> mterry: contracts, the merge is commit r100 in apturl trunk :)
[16:30] <fredp> seb128: there is a twoninetynine command in jhbuild, in the release-team-commands branch.
[16:30] <fredp> seb128: there is also a more generic goalreport command, used to produce the reports in http://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/reports/
[16:30] <mterry> mvo, hah, patience is always rewarded
[16:31] <fredp> seb128: I should get it merged and documented.
[16:31] <seb128> mterry, ^ cyphermox started on synaptic it seems
[16:31] <mvo> cyphermox: you work on the gtkbuilder conversion? in what branch :) ? I'm eager to see and help
[16:31] <mterry> seb128, yeah I took too long on system-config-printer I guess :)
[16:31] <seb128> lol
[16:31] <seb128> fredp, ok thanks
[16:31] <seb128> quick session restart and brb
[16:32] <cyphermox> mvo, I am using lp:synaptic
[16:32] <cyphermox> mterry, I think we can split the work
[16:32] <mvo> cyphermox: excellent \o/
[16:33] <cyphermox> all I have done so far was convert the glade files automatically, there is still a lot to do ;)
[16:33] <mterry> cyphermox, is it easily divisible?  I suspect we'd step on each other a bit
[16:33] <mvo> manual inspection is probably still required, in the past it did eat some of the UI
[16:34] <mvo> there is stuff like RGGladeWindow that should be really easy to convert
[16:35] <cyphermox> mvo, yeah, there's a good amount of warnings at least w/r/t duplicate IDs
[16:37] <seb128> re
[16:37] <seb128> I will start opening some other series of bugs
[16:37] <seb128> starting by making our gtk software gtk3 compliant
[16:37] <seb128> softwares
[16:38] <seb128> mterry, ^ if you are running out of tasks of feel like doing some gtk3 porting feel free
[16:38] <seb128> ^ or anybody else interested
[16:39] <mterry> seb128, I'm looking at the twisted gtkbuilder bug now (though kinda low priority, since it's just a Suggests).  I could do gtk3 stuff next.  In particular, I have that appindicator series of patches to update
[16:39] <seb128> I guess making our current versions build with DISABLE_GTK_DEPRECATED is a start
[16:39] <mterry> seb128, also getting a version of gtk3 in the archive...  :)
[16:39] <seb128> the debian guys are working on that
[16:40] <mterry> nice
[16:40] <seb128> check with slomo if you want to help there
[16:40] <mterry> I'm good.  :)
[16:40] <seb128> they have some packaging in the pkg-gnome svn
[16:40] <seb128> I plan to get it in early next cycle
[16:40] <seb128> ie just after UDS
[16:40] <mterry> cool.  But yeah, easy to pave the way by removing deprecations
[16:40] <seb128> but meanwhile we can start by making sure ubuntu specific softwares build on gtk 2.22 with deprecations disabled
[16:41] <seb128> ie update-notified, language-selector, software-properties
[16:41] <mterry> seb128, is there a nice list on the wiki of stuff the desktop team maintains?  i.e. stuff we should port?
[16:41] <seb128> I will make a list and tag them and give the url on the channel
[16:42] <seb128> mterry, the topic versions.html is sort of what we maintain
[16:42] <seb128> but most of GNOME 2.32 builds with deprecated api turned off
[16:42] <mterry> seb128, yeah, but as upstreams I meant
[16:42] <seb128> they have been tracking it actively
[16:44] <seb128> mterry, I'm not sure
[16:44] <seb128> there was a wiki page with the code we write
[16:45] <seb128> mterry, I will open bugs based on the default install, but those are obvious ones to start on
[16:45] <seb128> update-notifier, language-selector, software-properties
[16:45] <mterry> seb128, sure
[16:45] <seb128> usb-creator
[16:45] <seb128> well I'm not so sure about pygtk softwares
[16:46] <seb128> I think the upstream plan is that things will use python3 and introspection
[16:46] <seb128> but introspection is still a moving part and the maverick version is a bit outdated
[16:46] <seb128> so we better wait a bit for those
[16:48] <mterry> seb128, I believe the plan is to transition such packages to py-gi
[16:48] <seb128> right, which is in pygobject now
[16:48] <seb128> so pygobject and introspection
[16:49] <seb128> but as said our introspection versions are a bit outdated
[16:49] <mvo> is py-gi in the archive yet?
[16:49] <seb128> mvo, it's in pygobject
[16:49] <seb128> mvo, import gi
[16:50] <mvo> python -c 'import gi'
[16:50] <mvo>  <- that gives me a error - is that expected?
[16:51] <kklimonda> no
[16:51] <mterry> mvo, I don't get an error
[16:52]  * mvo checks if he is outdated
[16:52] <mterry> seb128, do we know gi is broken in maverick or just suspect it?  It might work OK for the more static gtk2
[16:53] <seb128> mterry, it's not broken
[16:53] <seb128> it's just that our gobject-introspection is outdated
[16:53] <mterry> Sorry, broken in the sense of being outdated
[16:53] <seb128> we have 0.9.3
[16:53] <seb128> they rolled 0.9.5 10 days ago
[16:53] <seb128> which breaks abi
[16:53] <seb128> ie just when our freeze started
[16:53] <mterry> guh
[16:53] <seb128> they got like 5 updated tarballs since
[16:53] <seb128> so we didn't go for the abi break
[16:54] <seb128> the time was not great for maverick
[16:54] <didrocks> mterry: you will find some patches to revert commits for new gi in several packages
[16:55] <seb128> well usually it's just changing the makefile to not use new argument for the gir parser calls
[16:55] <seb128> mterry, I was thinking we should focus on plain C applications until UDS
[16:55] <seb128> then we decide at UDS what we do
[16:56] <seb128> then we can get a ppa with the new introspection stack and new gtk etc and work on those
[16:56] <didrocks> seb128: I didn't get the easy one it seems, no luck for me :-)
[16:56] <mterry> seb128, OK.  I'll start by looking at update-notifier, which as I recall is C
[16:59] <seb128> mterry,  update-notifier, language-selector, software-properties
[17:00] <seb128> mterry, just pick any of those yes ;-)
[17:00] <seb128> update-notifier seems fine
[17:00] <seb128> didrocks, oh right, you got vala ;-)
[17:00] <didrocks> and I liked it :-)
[17:00] <mterry> Oh, I thought language-selector and software-properties were python
[17:01] <mvo> yeah, those are python
[17:01] <mvo> only update-notifier is C (memory/startup performance)
[17:11] <seb128> mterry, doh, my mistake, sorry
[17:18] <seb128> mterry, ok, next one is notify-osd
[17:25] <seb128> mterry, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/655231
[17:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 655231 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "should build without using GTK deprecations (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[17:26] <mterry> seb128, oh thanks, didn't look for a bug
[17:26] <mterry> oh
[17:26] <mterry> :)
[17:26] <seb128> mterry, I just opened one, I'm building a list and will take them ;-)
[17:26] <seb128> so we can track what needs to be done
[17:29] <seb128> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome3-gtk3
[17:29] <seb128> ^
[17:29] <seb128> I will keep adding bugs on this list for those interested
[17:30] <seb128>
[17:30] <seb128> ok, it's meeting time
[17:31] <mterry> seb128, your list of deprecations should include -DGSEAL_ENABLE and probably the glib deprecation flag too (G_DISABLE_DEPRECATIONS)
[17:31] <seb128> didrocks, mterry, chrisccoulson, Riddell, tremolux, cyphermox, mterry, tkamppeter: hello
[17:31] <didrocks> seb128: hey
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> ooh, that time already
[17:31] <tremolux> howdy
[17:31] <mterry> yo
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> today just seems to have disappeared!
[17:31]  * pedro_ waves
[17:31] <seb128> mterry, oh right, I wanted to check after the meeting, I just filed those in a hurry, thanks ;-)
[17:31] <Riddell> oh aye, meeting
[17:32] <tkamppeter> hi
[17:32] <cyphermox> howdy
[17:32] <seb128> hello everybody
[17:32] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-10-05
[17:32] <seb128> let's start and keep that short, I don't think there is lot to discuss this week
[17:33] <seb128> kenvandine, partner update?
[17:33] <seb128> ok, no kenvandine
[17:33] <seb128> Riddell, hey, kubuntu update?
[17:34] <Riddell> yo
[17:34] <Riddell>  * We're ready for release!  No major problems in today's images
[17:34] <Riddell>  * http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3 9 tagged bugs, all acceptable for release
[17:34] <Riddell>  * Qt update for GTK style will be a SRU
[17:34] <Riddell>  * KDE release 4.5.2 now in Kubuntu updates PPA
[17:35] <seb128> great work on kubuntu as always ;-)
[17:35] <seb128> does anybody has questions for Riddell?
[17:35] <Riddell> it's all down to the great community
[17:35] <seb128> you rock as well as your community do ;-)
[17:36] <seb128> great work on driving the RC for everybody btw
[17:36] <seb128> thanks Riddell
[17:36] <seb128> didrocks, UNE update?
[17:36] <didrocks> hey
[17:36] <didrocks> No unity release this week, but still a lot of love! Some cherry-pick to fix latest issues, mostly translations one.
[17:36] <didrocks> Now shotwell is blacklisted from appmenu, so you can safely run it under UNE.
[17:36] <didrocks> I think we are pretty good for the release, no flow of bugs after RC, no showstoppers at least.
[17:36] <didrocks> Still working heavily on the icon loading taking long on some hw configuration and others bugs set for an SRU.
[17:37] <seb128> yeah, seems unity is working well enough now
[17:37] <seb128> one cycle was challenging to get there so congrats to everybody
[17:37] <seb128> we can sort remaining glitches in a SRU next week
[17:37] <didrocks> yeah, I'm very confident due to the progress in bug side we had those last few weeks :)
[17:38] <seb128> is there any questions for didrocks?
[17:38] <didrocks> dx team rocked it in once cycle :)
[17:39] <seb128> ok, thanks didrocks
[17:39] <didrocks> yw
[17:39] <seb128> the next update is for another rocking team ;-)
[17:39] <seb128> tremolux, hey, software-center update?
[17:39] <tremolux> seb128: heya  :)
[17:39] <tremolux> * Buy Something: round of fixes and tweaks in software-center-agent to be deployed by ISD this week
[17:39] <tremolux> * Misc:  testing continues, keeping a close watch on incoming bug reports, targeted bugfixing
[17:39] <tremolux> * tagged bugs: http://tinyurl.com/29drbv4
[17:40] <tremolux> we are in good shape feels like
[17:40] <seb128> seems so
[17:41] <seb128> you will not get the download failing issue fixed for maverick it seems?
[17:41] <seb128> the bug is still set to confirmed
[17:41] <seb128> is that something many users run into? or a special config case?
[17:41] <tremolux> the proxy one?
[17:42] <seb128> "purchased software download fails with and breaks apt proxy"
[17:42] <tremolux> yes, I don't think it's very common
[17:42] <tremolux> mvo reports he has a partial fix in the works
[17:42] <seb128> ok
[17:42] <tremolux> I'm not sure, may go as an sru
[17:43] <seb128> ok, s-c feels solid there and it seems those bug didn't get duplicates
[17:43] <tremolux> the other three are good, two fix committed and the third looks fixed in policykit by james_w
[17:43] <seb128> no reason to worry there
[17:43] <seb128> I've seen that, great work ;-)
[17:43] <tremolux> indeed!
[17:43] <seb128> kudos to james_w for tracking that bug as well
[17:43] <seb128> ok
[17:44] <seb128> is there any question for tremolux?
[17:44] <james_w> it's not uploaded anywhere yet
[17:44] <seb128> james_w, I guess it will be SRU material now
[17:44] <james_w> I would appreciate review from people more familiar with gtk/glib
[17:44] <james_w> yeah
[17:44] <tremolux> james_w: yes, mvo mentioned it will come later
[17:44] <seb128> but still nice to know you figured what is wrong and got a fix for it
[17:44] <tremolux> james_w: and thanks a lot!
[17:45] <seb128> james_w, where is the fix to review?
[17:45] <james_w> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30515
[17:45] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 30515 in daemon "Race means that client can get no response from agent" [Normal,New]
[17:45] <seb128> bratsche, tedg, pitti: ^
[17:46] <seb128> do you think one of you could review the patches from james_w there?
[17:46] <seb128> thanks tremolux
[17:46] <seb128> thanks james_w
[17:46] <seb128> kenvandine, still not there?
[17:46] <tremolux> thx seb128
[17:46]  * bratsche reads
[17:47] <seb128> bratsche, what james_w said just before basically
[17:47] <seb128> bratsche, no hurry for reviews it will not go in this week anyway
[17:47] <seb128> ok, let's get moving
[17:47] <seb128> pedro_, hey
[17:47] <pedro_> hello!
[17:47] <pedro_> ok just wanted to bring some bugs to your attention
[17:47] <seb128> pedro_, so tell us, how is maverick from a qa eye ;-)
[17:48] <pedro_> it's looking great so far ;-)
[17:48] <pedro_> just some minor bugs at this time
[17:48] <pedro_> the ISO testing went fine as well
[17:48] <devildante> it's wonderful even not from a qa eye :p
[17:48] <devildante> and hi all :)
[17:48] <seb128> hey devildante
[17:48] <pedro_> and this week we're concentrating on that so if you have some time keep an eye on that during Thursday/Friday
[17:48] <devildante> hi seb128 :)
[17:48] <tremolux> devildante!  heya
[17:48] <devildante> hey tremolux :)
[17:48] <pedro_> ok the bugs:
[17:49] <pedro_> bug 621927
[17:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 621927 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) (and 8 other projects) "Embedded Terminal Emulator isn't giving a TERM variable (affects: 61) (dups: 14) (heat: 344)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621927
[17:49] <pedro_> that is causing a lot of noise lately, would be nice if someone could have a look so we can SRU it later
[17:49] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^
[17:49] <devildante> mvo: ping
[17:49] <seb128> you did the recent vte updates right?
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can take a look
[17:49] <seb128> devildante, we are in a meeting, can you query mvo or ping it somewhere else?
[17:50] <devildante> okay :)
[17:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, or maybe ask cyphermox if he has time for it
[17:50] <pedro_> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630861#c14 <- according to that comment that's the commit that caused the issue
[17:50] <ubot2> Gnome bug 630861 in VteTerminal "Embedded Terminal Emulator isn't giving a TERM variable" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[17:50] <seb128> cyphermox, ^ do you think you would have time to investigate that one?
[17:50] <cyphermox> seb128, chrisccoulson, yup
[17:50] <pedro_> probably chpe can provide advice on that as well
[17:50]  * cyphermox is looking at it now
[17:50] <seb128> cyphermox, ok, please assign the bug to yourself then
[17:51] <pedro_> thanks cyphermox ;-)
[17:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, unping for you then ;-)
[17:51] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[17:51] <pedro_> ok the other bug is the one we had a few ago and looks like isn't fixed
[17:51] <pedro_> bug 630884
[17:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630884 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke() (affects: 138) (dups: 53) (heat: 653)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630884
[17:51] <seb128> did cosimoc commited to 2-32?
[17:51] <pedro_> we're still getting duplicates, i've reopened the upstream bug and commented on it already
[17:51] <seb128> he said he would do after the hardfreeze
[17:51] <seb128> which means after 2.32?
[17:51] <njin> pedro_: server ?
[17:51] <pedro_> seb128, didrocks committed it to our package
[17:52] <pedro_> i've checked it
[17:52] <pedro_> the fix is already in the package we're shipping but it doesn't fix the crash
[17:53] <seb128> pedro_, hum
[17:53] <pedro_> so we need someone to have a look to it again, probably didrocks since he made the latest change there?
[17:53] <didrocks> oh yeah, the "various crashers", easy to confirm it was fixed :)
[17:53] <pedro_> heh
[17:53] <seb128> pedro_, where do you see that in our package?
[17:53] <didrocks> pedro_: I couldn't reproduce it, but I can still try to have a look
[17:53] <pedro_> but the nautilus_path_bar_size_allocate is still causing the issue
[17:54] <pedro_> seb128, http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=cfada2b36dd274b2d2835753fc87c69affbbba58
[17:54] <seb128> hum right it's in the current version
[17:54] <seb128> ok
[17:54] <seb128> let's check with cosimoc later on then
[17:54] <pedro_> that's the commit and i've looked at the package to confirm the lines were there and they are
[17:54] <pedro_> ok thanks seb128
[17:54] <pedro_> ok the other is one that it might cause some issues for portable devices on rhythmbox
[17:55] <pedro_> bug 654105
[17:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654105 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Transferring songs from iPod to local drive does not copy extension (ie, .mp3), confusing some portable devices (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654105
[17:55] <seb128> which is fixed upstream I see
[17:55] <seb128> we will sru it after maverick
[17:55] <pedro_> is already fixed upstream so it's just a matter to SRU it
[17:55] <pedro_> awesome
[17:55] <seb128> it's late now for an upload and it seems not a blocker for the iso
[17:55] <pedro_> yeah just raising it for SRU
[17:55] <pedro_> and the last one, the evil bug 551809
[17:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 551809 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 439) (dups: 133) (heat: 1933)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/551809
[17:55] <seb128> right, still no real lead on this one
[17:56] <pedro_> is there any updates on it ? i haven't seen any progress so far
[17:56] <pedro_> :-(
[17:56] <seb128> tedg, ^ did you have a chance to try to figure if that's an indicator issue?
[17:56] <seb128> pedro_, can you try to figure by reading the duplicates or asking submitters if that's only in fallback cases
[17:56] <seb128> ie for users who don't use the indicator applet
[17:57] <seb128> like xfce users or people who don't like indicators and removed the applet
[17:57] <pedro_> seb128, ok will do that
[17:57] <seb128> thanks
[17:57] <pedro_> seb128, that's all from here unless there's a question/comment
[17:57] <seb128> I will try to get tedg to review it to see if he has a clue what could be wrong
[17:57] <pedro_> awesome
[17:57] <seb128> pedro_, not from me, thanks pedro_ for the bugslist
[17:57] <seb128> useful as usual ;-)
[17:57] <pedro_> my pleasure
[17:58] <seb128> ok, let's move on
[17:58] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html
[17:58] <seb128> well we are over work items time
[17:58] <seb128> still a few to clean there
[17:59] <seb128> mpt, you still have yours listed, can you get it postpone or closed? ;-)
[17:59] <seb128> mterry, you have a mir still listed, I guess that should be deferred to next cycle?
[17:59] <mterry> seb128, let me check
[17:59] <seb128> other items are for the eastern edition
[17:59] <mterry> seb128, yes it should be
[18:00] <mpt> seb128, done
[18:00] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[18:00] <seb128> mterry, can you update the spec then? just close or postpone it as appropriate there
[18:00] <seb128> thanks
[18:00] <tedg> seb128, I've looked into it, it's really unclear.  I believe it's a GTK issue, and they of course believe it's an appindicator issue :)  But, no one seems to know exactly where it's happening.
[18:00] <seb128> otherwise great work everybody, maverick rocks
[18:01] <seb128> there is another round of iso testing still coming starting tomorrow so please help with that
[18:01] <seb128> you can probably also start thinking about UDS and next cycle
[18:02] <seb128> I need to catch up with rick about blueprints registration and UDS but we will keep you updated
[18:02] <seb128> I think we will probably discuss that in next week's meeting
[18:02] <seb128> that's it from me
[18:03] <seb128> questions, comments, anything to add?
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> ooh, there is a new version of NSS and firefox in the ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> please test :)
[18:03] <kenvandine> whoops... sorry i took off for lunch right before the meeting, completely forgot!
[18:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok
[18:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you have the url handy?
[18:06] <seb128> kenvandine, hey ;-)
[18:06] <seb128> kenvandine, no problem, did you have any status update?
[18:06] <seb128> you can still do it
[18:06] <kenvandine> nope :)
[18:06] <kenvandine> actually nobody got back to me with links to planning documents...
[18:06] <seb128> ok, so you didn't miss anything :p
[18:06]  * kenvandine makes a note to go nag :)
[18:06] <chrisccoulson> there we go: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa
[18:06] <seb128> didrocks, mterry, chrisccoulson, Riddell, tremolux, cyphermox, mterry, tkamppeter: ^
[18:07] <kenvandine> seb128, sorry, i saw a window while waiting for indicator-sound and ran :)
[18:07] <seb128> if you want to test the security updates
[18:07] <seb128> kenvandine, that's ok don't worry ;-)
[18:07] <seb128> tedg, wb, hum ok for the bug, still a common crasher happening only for things using the appindicators it seems...
[18:07] <seb128> I guess it requires debugging by somebody having the issue
[18:07] <didrocks> I will test it
[18:08] <seb128> ok, I think that's a wrap up then
[18:08] <seb128> thanks everybody!
[18:09] <kenvandine> wow... short meeting! (for me, hehe)
[18:09] <pedro_> thanks!
[18:09] <mterry> seb128, I don't have permissions to postpone https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-maverick-clusterstack
[18:09] <seb128> kenvandine, don't make a not to do that every week you will not get away with it next time :p
[18:09] <mterry> seb128, and https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/update-notifier/deprecations/+merge/37635
[18:09] <kenvandine> hehe
[18:09] <kenvandine> :)
[18:11] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson, didn't have issues with FF 3.6.11-build2 on hardy after all?
[18:11] <fta> tedg, kenvandine: by any chance, do you know if there's a way to make evolution go offline/online from the outside? (from a shell command, or dbus)
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, we had to drop a patch
[18:11] <seb128> mterry, ok, seems it's rather a workitem tracking corner case bug, ie the bug task is set to incomplete but still counted
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if that was the only issue. i assume so though
[18:11] <seb128> mterry, don't bother with it then
[18:11] <kenvandine> fta, i would think via dbus somehow, but never looked
[18:11] <seb128> mvo, <mterry> seb128, and https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/update-notifier/deprecations/+merge/37635
[18:12] <tedg> fta, I don't know of one off hand, but there's a bunch of things you can do from the command line -- evolution --force-shutdown is the most useful :)
[18:12] <desrt> tedg: any use of that command indicates that you're doing it wrong
[18:12] <desrt> tedg: alternatively, it could be that evolution has a bug.  but i doubt it.  you're doing it wrong.
[18:13] <kenvandine> fta, i guess not
[18:13] <kenvandine> looking in d-feet it doesn't provide much
[18:13] <tedg> desrt, Heh.  But, to be honestly, the new evolution is radically better than older incarnations.
[18:14] <tedg> Though, apparently I have too many vfolders for it to be happy all the time.
[18:14] <kenvandine> it is usually happy for me
[18:14] <kenvandine> :)
[18:14] <seb128> brb
[18:14]  * desrt will be a die-hard evolution lover/hater
[18:15] <fta> kenvandine, tedg: i once had a look at the api usable by plugins (wanted to improve the indicator) but didn't find much in there for me needs. now i need to inform evo it's offline
[18:15] <kenvandine> fta, i am sure that api changed a ton since lucid
[18:15] <fta> kenvandine, the evo api?
[18:16] <seb128> re
[18:16] <seb128> mterry, oh, --enable-deprecations, is that standard?
[18:16] <didrocks> seb128: re, did the e-d-s update fixes the recurrent crashes you had?
[18:16] <mterry> seb128, no, just something I do in my projects.   Makes it easier to test
[18:17] <seb128> didrocks, not sure, it seemed better before I applied the update and I didn't get any for a few days
[18:17] <seb128> so I'm not sure if that was due to server issues they fixed or if the update helped
[18:17] <didrocks> seb128: ok… weird then
[18:17] <mterry> seb128, (since you don't want them on by default, and typing them in when testing is too much work)
[18:17] <didrocks> yeah, apparently it could fail a lot if the server wasn't working well
[18:17] <seb128> didrocks, in any case it works fine now
[18:18] <didrocks> well, good to know, I worried a little about it :)
[18:18] <seb128> mterry, yeah, I've just those noted and do an export CFLAGS=...
[18:18] <didrocks> let's hope that the patch I backported was for that too
[18:18] <kenvandine> fta, evo has changed a lot... all dbus friendly now, etc
[18:18] <didrocks> patches* even
[18:19] <fta> kenvandine, documented somewhere?
[18:19] <kenvandine> not sure
[18:19] <kenvandine> i haven't looked much at the new evo, besides enjoying the smaller memory footprint and lack of crashes
[18:19] <kenvandine> s/lack/less frequent/
[18:20] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - want me to look at this g-s-d crash again?
[18:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, if you can that would be appreciated yes
[18:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[18:22] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, cyphermox and pedro_, i normally post announcements to identi.ca when there are RC builds of firefox available for testing, but not many people follow me. feel free to pass the message on for me ;)
[18:25] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, just checked ... i subscribe to you :)
[18:25] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, yeah, that's why i pinged you ;)
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> you have a lot more followers than me....
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[18:26] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, although, i am not a great browser tester... never install extensions and i generally hate all web browsers
[18:26] <kenvandine> i can re-dent it :)
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, yeah, that's the terminology i was looking for ;)
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> sorry, i'm not cool enough!
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> :)
[18:26] <kenvandine> hehe
[18:40] <ari-tczew> didrocks: could you sponsor proposed cairo-dock ?
[18:40] <didrocks> ari-tczew: which one, do you have a bug report?
[18:41] <ari-tczew> didrocks: bug 653702
[18:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 653702 in cairo-dock-plug-ins (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Please update cairo-dock to the final 2.2.0~4 version (bugs fixed) (affects: 1) (heat: 1731)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653702
[18:42] <didrocks> ari-tczew: ok, I'll have a look tomorrow then. thanks
[18:50] <didrocks> ari-tczew: FYI: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cairo-dock/+bug/653702/comments/2
[18:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 653702 in cairo-dock-plug-ins (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Please update cairo-dock to the final 2.2.0~4 version (bugs fixed) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:56] <kenvandine> didrocks, i can't upload the indicator-sound SRU to lucid, can you please sponsor lp:~ken-vandine/ubuntu/lucid/indicator-sound/lucid
[18:57] <didrocks> kenvandine: will do that as first thing tomorrow, seems that everything is ok with the associated bug, nice :)
[18:57] <kenvandine> should be :)
[18:58] <kenvandine> and i tested it, built in pbuilder, etc
[18:58] <didrocks> ok, just building it, 5 minutes, and I'll upload it then
[18:58] <didrocks> if the paperwork is already done, should be quick :)
[18:58] <mterry> njpatel, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/notify-osd/deprecations/+merge/37645  (not sure if you get merge request notifications)
[18:58] <vish> didrocks: offtopic doubt!  how do you type "…" in firefox/chrome?  does you keyboard have that key or … ?
[18:59]  * vish just noticed didrocks' comment on the print screen bug :D , …
[19:00] <didrocks> vish: with the French fr oss layout, it's Alt gr + Shift + ,
[19:00] <didrocks> (so alt gr + ?)
[19:00] <vish> didrocks: oh! cool thanks.. :)
[19:00] <njpatel> mterry, ah, nice, will pass onto dbarth/macslow
[19:01] <didrocks> vish: hope you can find an equivalent :)
[19:01] <didrocks> kenvandine: updating from 0.2.3-0ubuntu1 to 0.2.5-0ubuntu1?
[19:01] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:01] <vish> didrocks: i copied yours and use it in xchat auto-replace ;)   … :D
[19:01] <kenvandine> 0.2.4 FTBFS
[19:01] <kenvandine> so ronoc rolled a new release
[19:01] <didrocks> kenvandine: ok :)
[19:01] <didrocks> vish: hehe, good ;)
[19:02] <didrocks> kenvandine: uploaded, you can subscribe the sru team
[19:02] <kenvandine> thx
[19:02] <kenvandine> will do
[19:03] <didrocks> (just ensure it's fixed in maverick if relevant or change the status)
[19:03] <kenvandine> yeah, i'll confirm
[19:05]  * didrocks waves good evening
[19:21] <vish> kenvandine: Bug #653259 is application-side error and cjwatson just explained it on -devel :)
[19:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 653259 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Choosing India as location sets locale as en_IN and not en_IN.utf8 (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653259
[19:48] <mvo> seb128: so … gsettings - does that support madatory values (like gconf) and if so, what is the api for this?
[19:48] <mvo> hey glatzor, thanks for your mail
[19:49] <mvo> glatzor: trunk/ needs a workaround for the cache archive locking or python-apt a workaround for its over eagerness
[19:50] <seb128> mvo, I've been told it does but I didn't check myself so I don't know, check with upstream which is on this channel I would say ;-)
[19:50] <mvo> devildante: maybe with porting to gsettings we can get the software-properites stuff to work the way we want it
[19:50] <mvo> seb128: heh :)
[19:50] <devildante> mvo: yes, good idea, but wrong window :p
[20:36] <chrisccoulson_> urgh, my laptop won't boot
[20:44] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson_, must be that firefox update :-D
[20:44]  * kenvandine ducks
[20:44] <chrisccoulson_> heh
[20:44] <chrisccoulson_> it just drops to initramfs
[20:45] <chrisccoulson_> mount: mounting /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxx on /root failed: Invalid argument
[20:45] <chrisccoulson_> nice
[20:45] <chrisccoulson_> i can't even mount it manually from the initramfs
[20:46] <chrisccoulson_> i had to kill it because it locked up when i undocked, i suspect my hard drive didn't like it too much
[20:52] <chrisccoulson_> lol
[20:52] <chrisccoulson_> i'm wondering why i can't get my laptop to boot from my USB stick....
[20:52] <chrisccoulson_> ...it might help if i wasn't plugging my 4G dongle in
[20:53] <chrisccoulson_> 3G
[20:53] <chrisccoulson_> d'oh
[20:53] <chrisccoulson_> i should go to sleep
[20:54] <kenvandine> haha
[20:54] <chrisccoulson_> there, it's booting from USB stick now
[20:54] <chrisccoulson_> (and not 3G dongle)
[20:54] <chrisccoulson_> :)
[20:55] <chrisccoulson_> i think a format and reinstall is going to be happening tonight
[20:56] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: maybe change fstab/grub to /dev/XXX
[20:56] <chrisccoulson_> micahg - tried it (manually from the initramfs)
[20:57] <chrisccoulson_> it won't let me mount the filesystem at all :(
[20:57] <chrisccoulson_> i just keep getting the same invalid argument error
[20:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: repair?
[20:59] <chrisccoulson_> yeah, i get a more descriptive error from the USB stick
[20:59] <chrisccoulson_> it's really really broken
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> fixed!
[21:13] <bcurtiswx_> and how?
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> fsck ;)
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> lots and lots of errors
[21:16]  * micahg wins :)
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[23:38] <jcastro> kenvandine: 15 minutes for gwibber refresh? A little high don't you think?