[00:00] <heapy> oke added..
[00:00] <j1mc> when that is done, save the file and close it
[00:00] <heapy> lower case ntfs?
[00:00] <j1mc> yes
[00:00] <heapy> ok saved
[00:00] <j1mc> good question, though
[00:00] <j1mc> :)
[00:00] <heapy> hah
[00:00] <j1mc> ok, have you created your folder?
[00:00] <j1mc> /home/thomas/media
[00:01] <heapy> yeah created
[00:01] <j1mc> ok, try typing "sudo mount -a"
[00:02] <heapy> nothing happened...
[00:03] <j1mc> no problem.  i don't think it will give you a message.  try saving some stuff into that folder now.
[00:03] <Nikola-Kubuntu> Hey Heapy! (again)
[00:03] <heapy> heya nikola hows u?
[00:03] <heapy> ok m8, am doin so..
[00:06] <j1mc> heapy, from Thunar (the xfce file browser) try right-clicking on the /home/thomas/media folder, and then select properties
[00:07] <Nikola-Kubuntu> heapy: Good,good,you?
[00:07] <heapy> woah, what a crap time to have a crash!
[00:08] <j1mc> heapy: what happened?
[00:09] <j1mc> heapy: i've got to run is it working ok?
[00:10] <j1mc> have a good night, all.  :)
[00:13] <Nikola-Kubuntu> heapy?
[00:14] <heapy> sorry
[00:14] <heapy> bugger, he left
[00:15] <heapy> whats happenin nikola, u alright?
[00:16] <Nikola-Kubuntu> Yep
[00:16] <heapy> i should be asleep im guna be crap at work 2m
[00:16] <Nikola-Kubuntu> I been promoting Ubuntu and Xubuntu and Kubunt and Red Hat and Slackware and Gentoo and BSD and MINIX and Mandriva...
[00:17] <heapy> how exactly u been *promoting? waving banners around the street?
[00:17] <heapy> puttin flyers on cars?
[00:17] <Nikola-Kubuntu> No, i been dealing flyers and waving banners... lol
[00:17] <heapy> heh
[00:18] <heapy> brb, just havin a shower
[00:20] <Nikola-Kubuntu> k
[00:21] <Memfis> <-- mschemerii<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #xubuntu  << Think I broke his box :lol
[00:23] <Memfis> Hope he's OK
[00:30] <heapy> holey crap, i really do need to go to bed, up at 5 playing with drills.. could be dangerous/
[00:30] <heapy> night night all x
[00:34] <filipegatti> TheSheep, yo :P
[00:35] <filipegatti> almost there...! installed pyNeighborhood successfully. also gave my user the right group and permissions
[00:37] <filipegatti> now i'm able to scan my other computer, when i try to mount, it asks for a password. then i put the username and password and it fails to mount :(
[00:54] <Nikola-Kubuntu> Good night
[01:07] <Memfis> Welcome back :)
[01:07] <Memfis> doh!
[01:08] <filipegatti> :-)
[01:09] <Memfis> posted my question to the forums : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1012400
[01:15] <Memfis> If he comes back, could someone let him know I've popped out for a second to tuck the missus in & to make a cuppa. Thanks.
[01:15] <filipegatti> ok Memfis ;-)
[01:30] <Memfis> think I've scared him off :/
[01:36] <Memfis> filipegatti would you know how to force X to ignore the fact that no monitor is attached?
[02:15] <Viper550> How do I force Vesa mode?
[02:16] <Viper550> on the boot screen
[02:22] <radlipat> hello?
[02:22] <mschemerii> hello
[02:22] <radlipat> kewl
[02:23] <radlipat> ok i need some help\
[02:23] <radlipat> on xubuntu
[02:23] <radlipat> i installed wine
[02:23] <mschemerii> ok...
[02:23] <mschemerii> ready to drink some wine, then?
[02:23] <radlipat> and on a website taht someone in ubuntu gave me
[02:24] <radlipat> lol
[02:24] <radlipat> it says
[02:24] <radlipat> You then need to install the Windows version of Firefox (yes, you read that right). Download it from Mozilla's web site. Choose to open the installer with Wine and follow the on-screen instructions.
[02:24] <radlipat> When the installation has finished, you then have to go to a web site that requires Shockwave, and choose to get the missing plugin. Again, follow the on-screen instructions, and when the plugin has installed and is working, you may close Firefox.
[02:24] <radlipat> cancel second part
[02:25] <radlipat> i got as far as saving it to desktop
[02:25] <radlipat> and when i right click and open with wine
[02:26] <radlipat> alls i can do is select first next button and then it closes
[02:26] <mschemerii> okay...
[02:26] <mschemerii> did you configure wine? Or just install it?
[02:27] <radlipat> ummmmmmmmmmmmm
[02:27] <radlipat> install]
[02:27] <radlipat> idk how to open it to configure it
[02:28] <radlipat> can u explain how???????
[02:29] <mschemerii> first things first... run winecfg
[02:29] <radlipat> ok how?
[02:29] <mschemerii> I believe you can take the default settings for now (once you learn more about wine you can configure more)
[02:30] <radlipat> how i run it
[02:30] <mschemerii> which ubuntu are you running? latest - 8.10?
[02:30] <radlipat> idk?
[02:30] <radlipat> how i check again
[02:30] <mschemerii> In your applications menu (top left)
[02:31] <radlipat> i believe it was kubuntu 6.06
[02:31] <mschemerii> click and look in Accessories
[02:31] <mschemerii> see if you have Terminal listed
[02:31] <mschemerii> if so, click on it
[02:31] <radlipat> opened it
[02:32] <mschemerii> type
[02:32] <mschemerii> winecfg
[02:32] <mschemerii> hit enter
[02:32] <radlipat> ok hold on
[02:33] <radlipat> ok its open
[02:33] <mschemerii> just click next, etc until it finishes
[02:33] <radlipat> it says windows version 2000
[02:33] <radlipat> ???
[02:34] <mschemerii> that'll work for generic things like firefox... or you can change it to XP
[02:34] <radlipat> should i choose nt?
[02:34] <mschemerii> no... not NT... yech
[02:34] <radlipat> there isnt xp
[02:34] <mschemerii> go with 2000
[02:34] <radlipat> only nt 4.0
[02:34] <radlipat> kk
[02:35] <mschemerii> where do you have the firefox setup program located?
[02:35] <radlipat> desktop
[02:35] <radlipat> so i can find it
[02:35] <mschemerii> in your terminal, typ
[02:35] <mschemerii> type
[02:35] <mschemerii> cd ~/Desktop
[02:36] <radlipat> ok ok
[02:36] <radlipat> srry
[02:36] <radlipat> ok
[02:37] <radlipat> now what?
[02:37] <mschemerii> type
[02:37] <mschemerii> wine firefox-setup.exe
[02:37] <mschemerii> or whatever the executable is
[02:38] <radlipat> cant find it
[02:38] <radlipat> ?????????
[02:38] <radlipat> do i need to unpack it first
[02:38] <radlipat> ?
[02:38] <mschemerii> is it zipped?
[02:38] <radlipat> nope nvm
[02:39] <radlipat> firefox setup 3.0.4.exe
[02:39] <mschemerii> with the spaces?
[02:39] <radlipat> is what icon ssays when cursor is over it
[02:39] <radlipat> yes
[02:39] <mschemerii> when do type
[02:40] <mschemerii> ls
[02:40] <mschemerii> in the terminal, is that what is shown?
[02:40] <radlipat> says not found?
[02:41] <mschemerii> ls is not found
[02:41] <radlipat> can i just run from right clicking and click run from wine?
[02:41] <mschemerii> you could try double-clicking
[02:42] <Memfis> you could just push tab after after typing firefox to have it auto complete eg : wine firefox<tab>
[02:43] <radlipat> didnt work
[02:43] <radlipat> eather one
[02:43] <mschemerii> wait one... I am installing wine and downloading the firefox setup exe
[02:44] <radlipat> kk
[02:44] <Memfis> or try 'wine firefox\ setup\ 3.0.4.exe'  without the '
[02:44] <mschemerii> if you right-click, do you get an option to "Open With 'Wine Windows Program Loader'"?
[02:44] <Memfis> grr should be a backslash
[02:45] <radlipat> not on the exe one only with the linux one
[02:45] <mschemerii> I ran winecfg and took the defaults. Then downloaded and right-clicked to get the menu option
[02:46] <radlipat> is there a linux shockwave mime program??? my grandma says there is but 4got to show me it
[02:46] <mschemerii> so, you have the Wine Windows Program Loader option?
[02:46] <mschemerii> are you just trying to get shockwave working?
[02:46] <shadow98> im trying to install this theme...http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Clear+Night?content=91094
[02:46] <shadow98> it says to drag and drop it to the theme manager...where would this be located?
[02:47] <mschemerii> wait one radlipat...
[03:04] <Memfis> gnight all. If I can get this fixed tomorrow, I'll see about comming back to help others :)
[03:04] <HACKhalo21> nn
[03:04] <Memfis> mschemerii, thanks for trying. Sorry I broke your pc.
[03:04] <HACKhalo21> anyways, where would a channel be about starting a branch of *buntu?
[03:04] <mschemerii> no problem
[03:05] <HACKhalo21> testing
[03:05] <HACKhalo21> darn it, why am i HACKhalo21?
[03:06]  * HACKhalo21 curses Pidgin
[03:06] <mschemerii> alias?
[03:06] <HACKhalo21> in pidgin? HACKhalo2
[03:07] <mschemerii> just guessing
[03:07] <HACKhalo21> i even did /nick HACKhalo2, didn't work :\
[03:40] <radlipat> hello?
[03:41] <radlipat> HELLLLLLOOOOO??????????????
[03:47] <radlipat> hellllloooooooo?????????
[04:08] <NoNick34234> hello all
[04:08] <NoNick34234> anyone around?
[04:10] <radlipat> hello
[04:10] <radlipat> can u help me?
[04:10] <radlipat> or do u need help?
[04:11] <NoNick34234> yes
[04:11] <radlipat> ok i MIGHT be able to
[04:11] <NoNick34234> my monitor keeps going to sleep, and the control settings panel isn't stopping it
[04:11] <radlipat> ohhh
[04:11] <NoNick34234> i even killed the power management processes
[04:11] <radlipat> ok type in chat /join kubuntu
[04:12] <radlipat> there is more people there
[04:12] <radlipat> !kubuntu
[04:12] <NoNick34234> #kubuntu you mean
[04:12] <NoNick34234> lol
[04:12] <radlipat> yes
[04:12] <radlipat> just kubuntu works too
[04:12] <NoNick34234> really? sweet
[04:13] <radlipat> yeah
[04:13] <radlipat> hi fonz
[04:13] <radlipat> wuzup?
[04:14] <fonzarelli> hey hey
[04:14] <radlipat> r u in need of assistance?
[04:15] <radlipat> or are u a helper?
[04:19] <radlipat> u still there?
[04:21] <radlipat> hello??????/
[04:25] <NoNick34234> yes
[04:27] <radlipat> [22:34] <radlipat> hi
[04:27] <radlipat> [22:34] <radlipat> srry comp crashed man
[04:27] <radlipat> [22:34] <radlipat> ok what was i supposed to run?
[04:27] <radlipat> [22:34] <radlipat> in alt f2?
[04:28] <radlipat> idk wat chat ur on
[04:57] <radlipat> anyone here?
[05:05] <R1cochet> i am
[05:35] <robertMB> I acidently deleted the networkmanager Icon from the panel how do I get it back or change which access point to connect to?
[05:37] <R1cochet> can you re-add it to the panel?
[05:39] <robertMB> R1cochet, I cant find it to add to the panel
[05:41] <radlipat> hold on bud im asking for u
[05:42] <robertMB> radlipat, thanks man
[05:42] <radlipat> np
[05:42] <radlipat> if they answer
[05:42] <radlipat> lol
[05:43] <R1cochet> nope it only allows you to add net traffic monitor
[05:43] <robertMB> R1cochet, yea I know thats the problem :P
[05:44] <robertMB> do you know what the applet is called?
[05:45] <radlipat> [23:53] <raylu> radlipat: nm-applet
[05:46] <robertMB> ** (nm-applet:25671): WARNING **: <WARN>  applet_dbus_manager_start_service(): Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service as it is already taken.  Return: 3
[05:46] <robertMB> (nm-applet:25671): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[05:46] <robertMB> :(
[05:46] <radlipat> run in alt f2
[05:47] <robertMB> does nothing
[05:47] <radlipat> hmmmmm
[05:47] <robertMB> just ran it from terminal and gave me that error
[05:47] <radlipat> !ubuntu
[05:48] <radlipat> hold on
[05:48] <radlipat> !#ubuntu
[05:48] <radlipat> hmmmm
[05:48] <radlipat> type /join ubuntu
[05:48] <radlipat> and ask raylu
[05:49] <robertMB> k thanks man
[05:49] <radlipat> np
[05:56] <radlipat> night all im hitting the hey
[05:56] <[1]Andy> hi
[05:56]  * radlipat drinks last bit of coffee
[05:56] <[1]Andy> I have some problem partitionating the discks
[05:56] <[1]Andy> excuse my english
[05:56] <radlipat> hi
[05:56] <radlipat> lol
[05:56] <radlipat> umm
[05:57] <radlipat> im going to sleep now but
[05:57] <[1]Andy> uh it was easy on the live CD but i was unable to do it because of insufficient RAM
[05:57] <[1]Andy> so I got alt CD
[05:57] <[1]Andy> just one question
[05:57] <[1]Andy> even after selecting the aprtition
[05:57] <[1]Andy> partition*
[05:58] <[1]Andy> it gives something like "root value not defined try again w/e"
[05:58] <[1]Andy> any idea how to tackle that?
[05:59] <radlipat> ummm one sec
[05:59] <[1]Andy> okay
[06:01] <radlipat> im asking in other chat for site for you
[06:01] <[1]Andy> okay ^^
[06:03] <radlipat> can i send you to a differ chat?
[06:04] <radlipat> ineed to hit the hey its 100 here
[06:04] <[1]Andy> uh..
[06:04] <[1]Andy> i am currently lo won time
[06:04] <radlipat> ill show u how
[06:04] <[1]Andy> i am leaving in 5 mins
[06:04] <[1]Andy> make it 3 mins :P
[06:04] <radlipat> ohhh
[06:04] <[1]Andy> okay
[06:04] <radlipat> well if i show u will u know tomorrow?
[06:05] <radlipat> !partition
[06:05] <radlipat> there you go
[06:05] <radlipat> forget the differ chat
[06:06] <radlipat> does that help??????????
[06:06] <[1]Andy> umm
[06:06] <[1]Andy> del boot means i keep the win XP  too right?
[06:06] <[1]Andy> dual*
[06:06] <radlipat> no
[06:06] <radlipat> oh duel
[06:06] <radlipat> yes
[06:07] <radlipat> i thought u meant del+delete
[06:07] <radlipat> srry + should be =
[06:07] <[1]Andy> um
[06:07] <radlipat> alright man well if this doesnt help
[06:07] <[1]Andy> okay so now all i gtta do is free up like 11-13 GB from a partition
[06:07] <[1]Andy> then
[06:08] <[1]Andy> while installing
[06:08] <[1]Andy> make new partitions right?
[06:08] <radlipat> yeah
[06:08] <radlipat> what yu installing?
[06:08] <[1]Andy> and then it wont give the "root " error right?
[06:09] <radlipat> im not positive
[06:09] <[1]Andy> xubuntu alt
[06:09] <radlipat> i installed linux first
[06:09] <[1]Andy> xubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[06:09] <[1]Andy> ill try that
[06:09] <[1]Andy> gtg
[06:09] <radlipat> kk me 2 night
[06:09] <[1]Andy> bai an dthx a 1kkk times
[06:09] <radlipat> MORN*
[06:18] <imfluxible> can anybody verify a theory i heard from an att installer, that faster is slower, and that connections that are too fast for your computer will actually cause browsers and other net dependant apps to crash and fail?  i am on an 'upgraded' comcast connection now, supposedly went from 6 to 8 mbps or whatever the measurement is, but the first thing i notice is that all music and vids sticking a...
[06:19] <imfluxible> ...lot more now, stop and start, etc... any comments?
[06:20] <imfluxible> i don't see any measureable increase of speed on ANY processes
[07:02] <david_> hi Im having a major problem with xfce, unable to login, and when I do, its b0rked
[08:09] <itai_michaelson> hi
[08:11] <itai_michaelson> how do i change th time on the XFCE panel?
[08:23] <ablomen> itai_michaelson, menu => system => time and date
[08:27] <itai_michaelson> ablomen, i don't have that in my system, but i figured it out , i need to use the date comand
[08:28] <ablomen> itai_michaelson, yep date -s works too :)
[08:52] <Weaselweb> hi there. i'm having the problem, that network manager doesn't detect the vmxnet device and show to me, that there is no ethernet connect, but eth0 is up and running
[08:52] <Weaselweb> any hints?
[08:54] <Weaselweb> oh, yes. i'm runnig xubuntu 8.10 using open-vm-source 2008.08.08-1ubuntu2
[11:55] <[1]Andy> hello
[11:57] <[1]Andy> I was wondering that before installing this =>xubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386, do i need to create a partition manually or it can be installed in one of my drives without harming previous data?
[11:57] <[1]Andy> !partition
[11:57] <[1]Andy> !GParted
[11:59] <R1cochet> [1]Andyu still here
[12:00] <[1]Andy> yeah?
[12:00] <R1cochet> do you have a linyoux install on your pc yet?
[12:00] <R1cochet> linux*
[12:00] <[1]Andy> nope
[12:00] <R1cochet> windows?
[12:00] <[1]Andy> yeah
[12:00] <R1cochet> ok
[12:00] <R1cochet> you dl a live cd?
[12:01] <[1]Andy> yup but i can ONLY use alt CD because of
[12:01] <[1]Andy> ow RAM
[12:01] <[1]Andy> low*
[12:01] <R1cochet> ok
[12:01] <[1]Andy> so..can you give me a solution?
[12:01] <R1cochet> well ive only installed from live cd but i will try
[12:01] <[1]Andy> cause in the guide it says if i manually partition..i'll lose allthe data on the HD
[12:02] <[1]Andy> nad I really can't afford to let that happen
[12:02] <[1]Andy> and*
[12:02] <R1cochet> well i manually partitioned many times and didnt lose any data
[12:02] <[1]Andy> "Right click on the Windows partiton - it'll either be NTFS or Fat32. Select resize. You can now type in the new size or move the slider."
[12:02] <R1cochet> with the livecd
[12:02] <[1]Andy> yeah i know Live CD installs in any partition you select w/o trouble
[12:02] <R1cochet> so when you go to install it will ask what partition you woyould like to youse
[12:03] <[1]Andy> yeah..but this alt CD one...
[12:03] <R1cochet> and have you tried w/ alt cd?
[12:03] <[1]Andy> i am not sure
[12:03] <[1]Andy> when i rebooted with the CD inside ..i tried selecting my D drive which has 15 GB free space
[12:03] <R1cochet> have started the the installer at all
[12:03] <[1]Andy> you mean with live CD right?
[12:04] <R1cochet> naw w/ alt
[12:04] <[1]Andy> nop
[12:04] <[1]Andy> i mean yeah
[12:04] <R1cochet> have you partitioned those 15g to another partition?
[12:04] <[1]Andy> but while manually partitioning i aborted it..
[12:04] <[1]Andy> na
[12:04] <[1]Andy> can i do that?
[12:04] <R1cochet> yea you will have to
[12:04] <[1]Andy> safely.
[12:04] <[1]Andy> okay how?
[12:04] <R1cochet> i did and it was just fine for me
[12:05] <R1cochet> when you ryoun the installer you shoyould have option to resize drive
[12:05] <[1]Andy> am you sure i wont lose anything?
[12:05] <R1cochet> well when i partitioned my drive for dual boot i didnt lose anything
[12:06] <R1cochet> how many hdd's do you have?
[12:06] <[1]Andy> and you did it through the boot install right?
[12:06] <[1]Andy> 1 40GB
[12:06] <[1]Andy> one 40GB
[12:06] <R1cochet> right
[12:06] <R1cochet> and?
[12:06] <[1]Andy> one is a C:\ and the other one D:\
[12:06] <[1]Andy> nothing else
[12:06] <R1cochet> so you have 2 diff 40g drives?
[12:06] <[1]Andy> i have a toshiba L30 satellite
[12:06] <[1]Andy> na
[12:06] <[1]Andy> =D
[12:06] <[1]Andy> i wish
[12:07] <[1]Andy> i rephrased my sentence from 1 40GB to one 40 GB
[12:07] <R1cochet> ok so you have 1 40g drive that is partitioned into 2 drives?
[12:07] <[1]Andy> yeah
[12:07] <[1]Andy> by windoes
[12:07] <[1]Andy> windows*
[12:07] <R1cochet> ok
[12:07] <R1cochet> 20/20g?
[12:08] <[1]Andy> umm na
[12:08] <[1]Andy> 11 and 25
[12:08] <R1cochet> 11 for windows 25 storage
[12:08] <[1]Andy> and the rest gets used for my grahic card i guess
[12:08] <[1]Andy> yeah
[12:08] <[1]Andy> and in the 25 there is a lot fo important stuff..
[12:09] <R1cochet> ok when you resize the partiton you will end youp having 3 partitions
[12:09] <[1]Andy> ah
[12:09] <[1]Andy> and i can do that through boot install?
[12:09] <R1cochet> up*
[12:10] <R1cochet> you shoyould byout i havent yoused alt installer yet
[12:10] <R1cochet> im gonna soon tho
[12:10] <R1cochet> you should but i havent used alt installer*
[12:10] <[1]Andy> hmm.. i will try that..and let you know but i think i remeber installer telling me to backup my data
[12:10] <R1cochet> i would first defrag the 25g partition
[12:10] <[1]Andy> i got 1 GB pen ill get as much back up as possible..wew!
[12:10] <[1]Andy> defraged
[12:11] <R1cochet> make sure its all continuous
[12:11] <[1]Andy> i almost defrag everyday
[12:11] <[1]Andy> its scheduled :P
[12:11] <R1cochet> ok cool
[12:11] <[1]Andy> mm ill try that now
[12:11] <[1]Andy> and let yo know here
[12:11] <R1cochet> should be fine
[12:11] <[1]Andy> thanx for all the help
[12:11] <R1cochet> see if all the data is continuous
[12:12] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ try what?
[12:15] <[1]Andy> r1
[12:16] <[1]Andy> i just thought of something
[12:16] <R1cochet> yo
[12:16] <R1cochet> what were you gonna try?
[12:16] <[1]Andy> what if ...well i took my backup of upto 300 MB
[12:16] <[1]Andy> that my main database
[12:16] <[1]Andy> and then
[12:16] <[1]Andy> if i format D:\
[12:16] <[1]Andy> it will work without partitioning right?
[12:16] <[1]Andy> without harming C:\ that is
[12:17] <R1cochet> you shoyouldnt harm c or d at all
[12:17] <[1]Andy> your "y" key stuck ?
[12:17] <R1cochet> naw typing been messed lately
[12:17] <[1]Andy> :P
[12:17] <R1cochet> y you and o all messed
[12:18] <[1]Andy> ill try what you said and it wont matter much if i lose the crap i have on D ow :D
[12:18] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ i just realized what was causing it
[12:18] <[1]Andy> ..
[12:18] <R1cochet> my acromancer
[12:18] <[1]Andy> ah
[12:18] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ
[12:18] <R1cochet> i had "u" set for "you"
[12:18] <[1]Andy> when you said acro mancer i though of necromancer from d2 LOD :P
[12:19] <[1]Andy> ah
[12:19] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ
[12:19] <[1]Andy> 79% defraf..
[12:19] <[1]Andy> wonder when it will finish and i will get to install..linux dervative :P
[12:19] <R1cochet> ok so when u get to disk partitioner for installer u will want to select drive D and resize it, it should have a slider that u can adjust for the size of new partition
[12:20] <[1]Andy> i have benn waiting for like 3 days
[12:20] <R1cochet> i know how u feel
[12:20] <[1]Andy> in the installer?
[12:20] <R1cochet> just made the switch a couple months ago
[12:20] <[1]Andy> i think..you don't know atl CD
[12:20] <R1cochet> when u run the installer it will ask u where to install
[12:20] <[1]Andy> alt CD is designed for ppl with low ram hence low GUI
[12:20] <R1cochet> ahhhhhh
[12:20] <R1cochet> how low is ur ram?
[12:21] <[1]Andy> didn't do so for me till now......
[12:21] <[1]Andy> 192
[12:21] <[1]Andy> after display
[12:21] <R1cochet> and thats not enough?
[12:21] <[1]Andy> for installer yes
[12:21] <[1]Andy> live CD
[12:21] <R1cochet> ok
[12:21] <R1cochet> §orry then
[12:22] <[1]Andy> btw my plan is to get 5 for root 4 for home and 2 for the rest
[12:22] <[1]Andy> swt...why sorry
[12:22] <[1]Andy> when you have such computers..you learn easily hwo to tweak things
[12:22] <[1]Andy> to make them work on your PC
[12:22] <R1cochet> btw my plan is to get 5 for root 4 for home and 2 for the rest???
[12:22] <[1]Andy> i once ..well ran NFS carbon..with lag ofcourse
[12:22] <[1]Andy> 5GB
[12:23] <[1]Andy> and all accordint o
[12:23] <[1]Andy> to*
[12:23] <[1]Andy> !partition
[12:23] <[1]Andy> there
[12:24] <R1cochet> installs on systems with less than about 128MB of RAM
[12:24] <R1cochet> thats from xubuntu website
[12:24] <[1]Andy> yup
[12:24] <R1cochet> have u tried to run the live installer in safe grafx mode?
[12:24] <[1]Andy> but nstaller needs 256 MB RAM
[12:24] <[1]Andy> yeah i did pal
[12:24] <[1]Andy> think what i have been dong for 3 days?
[12:24] <[1]Andy> doing*
[12:25] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ dong :)
[12:25] <[1]Andy> yeah..me to i am a bit..tired
[12:25] <[1]Andy> work study and mroe work :P
[12:25] <[1]Andy> more*
[12:25] <[1]Andy> darn!
[12:25] <R1cochet> same here
[12:25] <R1cochet> without the more part
[12:25] <[1]Andy> how old are you?
[12:26] <R1cochet> 28
[12:26] <[1]Andy> 10 years..older then me :P
[12:27] <[1]Andy> defrag done :P
[12:27] <[1]Andy> ill try now bai!
[13:13] <Memfis> Hello everyone, is anyone familiar with how ubuntu detects whether a monitor is plugged in or not?
[13:14] <vidd> Memfis, sort of...why?
[13:15] <Memfis> I'm trying to use xubuntu as a headless server that I vnc into. but whenever no monitor is attached X starts in failsafe mode.
[13:15] <vidd> Memfis, that is correct
[13:15] <Memfis> How do I prevent it from checking?
[13:15] <vidd> you dont
[13:16] <Memfis> so theres no way to run (x)ubuntu in headless mode?
[13:16] <vidd> you take out the auto checking, you lose mouse and keyboard
[13:16] <vidd> well....what you can do is....set it up with a monitor
[13:17] <vidd> once its up, remove the monitor
[13:17] <Memfis> but then if it reboots, I loose X & vnc
[13:17] <vidd> let me look into some other options....
[13:17] <Memfis> thank you.
[13:17] <Memfis> I posted to the forums too : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1012400
[13:19] <vidd> here are instructions for redhat....
[13:19] <vidd> http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-to-set-up-headless-x-server-on.html
[13:19] <vidd> with only slight modifications, you should be able to get it running in ubuntu
[13:19] <vidd> BTW, if ya get it to work, how 'bout writing a how-to for the wiki?
[13:19] <Memfis> sure :)
[13:20] <Memfis> I'll have a read. Thank you.
[13:23] <R1cochet> vidd: u have any experience with the alt installer?
[13:23] <vidd> R1cochet, tons of it....its all i use
[13:24] <R1cochet> whats the diff between that and livecd?
[13:26] <vidd> the alt requires less system resource to install, works on more hardware "out of the box" isnt sluggish, and is based on the debian installer that has been used for more then 10 years (as opposed to the live installer that is less then 3 years old)
[13:26] <R1cochet> but they have the same preinstalled packages?
[13:27] <vidd> oh...and the alt cd provides more installation options (cli-only, OEM mode, etc)
[13:27] <vidd> yeah...al the same repos
[13:28] <R1cochet> is there any way to install with only certain packages?
[13:28] <vidd> and if you do the "generic" install, both the live and the alt give you the same final product (provided the live doesnt fail horribly for you)
[13:28] <vidd> such as?
[13:29] <R1cochet> without thunderbird,abiword,gnumeric...
[13:29] <vidd> R1cochet, there are a few things that you would want to do
[13:30] <R1cochet> ...listen music player
[13:30] <vidd> first, you will want to do the CLI-only install
[13:30] <vidd> this leaves you with just the command prompt
[13:30] <vidd> (you cant do this with the live cd)
[13:30] <R1cochet> ok
[13:31] <vidd> Once the cli-only install is complete, you will want to add packages individually
[13:31] <vidd> you will want to use "apt-get install" with the "--no-install-recommends" switch
[13:32] <R1cochet> what does that switch do?
[13:33] <vidd> prevents apt-get from installing packages marked as "rommends"
[13:33] <R1cochet> ok but will it grab the necissities?
[13:33] <vidd> when you install pakage A, there are other packages that may be needed.....apt-get makes sure this happens automatically
[13:34] <R1cochet> ok
[13:34] <R1cochet> 2 more things
[13:34] <vidd> package A requires package B, package C is a recommends, and package D is a suggest....
[13:34] <R1cochet> how do i get the xubuntu desktop
[13:35] <vidd> by default, apt-get would install package A, B, and C
[13:35] <vidd> R1cochet, you dont.....
[13:35] <vidd> you build a custome xubuntu-like desktop
[13:36] <vidd> remember, you dont want thunderbird (part of the xubuntu desktop)
[13:36] <R1cochet> ahh
[13:36] <vidd> the packages you will want are:
[13:38] <vidd> actually....
[13:38] <vidd> you will want to customize that for yourself.....
[13:38] <vidd> but you will likely want gdm
[13:38] <vidd> hal handles xserver stuff
[13:40] <vidd> xorg, xfdesktop4-data, and a host of other apps
[13:41] <vidd> you MIGHT find it easier to do the basic install and run "sudo apt-get autoremove --purge [undesired packages entered here]
[13:42] <vidd> does this help any?
[13:42] <R1cochet> ok
[13:42] <R1cochet> yes tons thank you
[13:43] <vidd> if ya need any further help, let me know
[13:43] <R1cochet> y autoremove and not just remove?
[13:43]  * vidd needs to go smoke before his shift starts =]
[13:43] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ
[13:43] <vidd> R1cochet, autoremove gets rid of dependencies and recommends that are no longer required
[13:44] <vidd> so rather then running a second command "sudo apt-get autoremove --purge" you just combine the two commands into one line =]
[13:45] <vidd> "work smarter, not harder"
[13:45] <vidd> now....ill be back in like 10 minutes
[13:46] <R1cochet> ok cool
[13:51] <[1]Andy> hi i did it!
[13:51] <[1]Andy> it works!!
[13:51] <[1]Andy> r1
[13:51] <[1]Andy> uh well i tried something...i downloaded x chat and tried to..well how do you install stuff in xubuntu?
[13:52] <[1]Andy> like..there are .exe files in windows ??? in ubuntu?
[13:52] <pepss> slt a tous : petit renseignement esquil et posible de partagé une connection wifi
[13:52] <pepss> ?
[13:52] <[1]Andy> huh?
[13:52] <R1cochet> [1]Andy
[13:52] <pepss> merci de votre aide
[13:52] <[1]Andy> yeah r1
[13:52] <R1cochet> at top
[13:52] <[1]Andy> i got 3 mins on the clock i gtta tut a student of mine
[13:53] <[1]Andy> fast..
[13:53] <R1cochet> applications>system>synaptic
[13:53] <[1]Andy> yeah then?
[13:53] <R1cochet> select what u want to install
[13:53] <[1]Andy> yeaaa..
[13:53] <[1]Andy> thax a thousand times
[13:53] <R1cochet> No Problem
[13:53] <R1cochet> glad u got it to work
[13:53] <[1]Andy> if i was not in love already i would have told you how much i love you :P
[13:54] <[1]Andy> which time zone you from?
[13:54] <R1cochet> gmt+8
[13:54] <[1]Andy> 1 min..left
[13:54] <[1]Andy> ah
[13:54] <R1cochet> u?
[13:54] <[1]Andy> okay ttyl then
[13:54] <R1cochet> enjoy
[13:54] <[1]Andy> and lets hope from xubuntu
[13:54] <[1]Andy> 5.5+
[13:54] <[1]Andy> India
[13:54] <R1cochet> cool
[13:54] <R1cochet> california
[13:54] <[1]Andy> bye ^^
[13:54] <[1]Andy> ah
[13:54] <R1cochet> later
[13:54] <[1]Andy> you saw bush getting hit yesterday?
[13:54] <R1cochet> nope?
[13:55] <[1]Andy> shit i am late laterz
[13:55] <R1cochet> hahaha deserves it
[13:57] <vidd> R1cochet, so you UTC MUNUS 8, not PLUS 8
[13:58] <vidd> er....GMT
[13:58] <R1cochet> ahh §orry
[13:58] <R1cochet> so is autoremove --purge same as complete removal in synaptic?
[13:59] <vidd> R1cochet, so how goes it? is your install in progress?
[13:59] <vidd> R1cochet, not quite.....
[13:59] <R1cochet> naw ive been on xubuntu for about 4mo
[13:59] <R1cochet> but im gonna do a clean install soon once i get new hdd
[13:59] <R1cochet> im outa room
[14:00] <vidd> auto-remove --purge is complete removal of the app AND the dependencies.....
[14:00] <R1cochet> ok
[14:00] <R1cochet> will it also delete the folders from the dependencies?
[14:00] <vidd> synaptic only --purge 's the main file, and remove the dependencies
[14:01] <vidd> yes
[14:01] <R1cochet> would like to clean up all remnaces of those programs
[14:01] <R1cochet> ok cool
[14:01] <vidd> then you want to apt-get autoremove --purge.....not use synaptic
[14:01] <R1cochet> alright thank you much
[14:08] <R1cochet> vidd: do u copy dvd's with a gui?
[14:09] <R1cochet> i tried k9 b4 but couldnt get preview to work so i didnt try to copy a movie
[14:09] <R1cochet> wanted to remove trailers and the like
[14:15] <vidd> R1cochet, i can copy with brasero
[14:15] <vidd> but i dont edit
[14:33] <don903> Hey all, I'm having some trouble running Xubuntu on old hardware. I can get specific hardware information if needed, but here's the issue: After cycling through a bunch of video modes, I get an error that says there is a problem with my video configuration. It gives me an option to configure the graphics, but never lets me actually do anything. It just keeps restarting the window manager and giving me the same error.
[14:33] <don903> I want to tell it that it's OK to run in low-graphics mode (it's OLD hardware), but I don't know how, or if that is even possible
[14:34] <don903> in fact, I got that to happen one time by booting into recovery mode, but I haven't managed to get that to work since
[14:52] <Memfis> don903, This sounds almost opposite to what I'm trying to achieve.
[14:53] <Memfis> I'm trying to tell it NOT to run in low graphics mode (failsafe mode)
[14:54] <vidd> hehe... don903 if ya unplug the monitor, ya might be able to get in and fix it =]
[14:54] <Memfis> lol, exactly :o)
[14:56] <Memfis> vidd, I've looked at the url you provided, but I cant find where init calls Xvfb
[14:56] <Memfis> cd /etc/init.d
[14:56] <Memfis> cat * | grep Xvfb
[14:57] <Memfis> no results
[14:57] <Memfis> same with little 'x'
[14:58] <Memfis> hmmm locate cant find it either.
[15:00] <Memfis> will anything break if I install XFree86-Xvfb ??
[15:05] <vidd> Memfis, you will probably have to remove xorg..... but i dont think anything will break.....
[15:06] <vidd> if it doesm replacing xorg SHOULD fix it
[15:06] <vidd> \just pay attention to what gets removed
[15:09] <vidd> Memfis, im looking for other guides...perhaps ill find one for xorg
[15:11] <vidd> Memfis, check out this guide! http://osdcm.com/home/tool/installing-xubuntu-as-a-headless-server
[15:12] <Memfis> I've seen that. all it does is setup with no gui.
[15:12] <Memfis> I want the gui, just no monitor
[15:13] <vidd> then how about http://stevenharman.net/blog/archive/2008/12/13/vnc-to-a-headless-ubuntu-box.aspx
[15:16] <Memfis> nope. that only works when X works without a monitor
[15:16] <Memfis> I need to be able to get X working without a monitor. The vnc part I have working already
[15:17] <Memfis> I just tried sommat, but need to wait 5 mins for box to reboot.
[15:19] <Memfis> I think adding driver=vesa and
[15:19] <Memfis> HorizSync 30-85
[15:19] <Memfis> VertRefresh 48-120
[15:19] <Memfis> might fix it, but just trying to check which section this goes into.
[15:20] <Memfis> I'VE DONE IT!!!! YAY!
[15:21] <Memfis> adding driver=vesa stopped the failsafe. Then all you've got to do is fix the resolution with HorizSync & VertRefresh for the resolution.
[15:22] <Memfis> now to find out the HorizSync & VertRefresh options for 1024x768 and which section they go into
[15:22] <vidd> Memfis, nice
[15:30] <Memfis> updated post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1012400
[16:02] <[1]Andy> hi ^^
[16:02] <[1]Andy> r1 still awake?
[16:03] <[1]Andy> the add or remove or syn. file manager installles file after downloading them
[16:04] <[1]Andy> what if i have already downloaded .tar.bz2 file?
[16:04] <[1]Andy> any command i can give it to install from the file i downloaded?
[16:05] <[1]Andy> okay nvm i gtg sleep :P
[16:09] <don903> The monitor unplugging idea didn't work =(
[16:09] <don903> I looked at xorg.conf but it looks like a default file -- it has no specific information
[16:10] <Memfis> don after spening the last couple of days playing with xorg configuration I might be able to help you.
[16:11] <Memfis> Could you give me a bit of time to finish checking my current setup and make a cup of tea?
[16:12] <don903> Of course
[16:12] <don903> I'm not in a hurry
[16:13] <Memfis> still waiting for my remote box to come back up.
[16:35] <Memfis> don903, OK, I've fixed mine (Yay). Remind me of the problem you have with X on old hardware.
[16:36] <don903> it tries to initialize my video several times, then it does, in low graphics mode..I'm guessing 800x600x24 and tells me there's a problem configuring my video hardware
[16:36] <don903> and presents me options to reconfigure it (which does nothing) and other stuff (also do nothing)
[16:37] <don903> oddly, sometimes when I "startx" from the commandline, it'll boot into low graphics mode without complaining, but then the mouse isn't working and I may or may not get a HAL error
[16:37] <don903> ONCE, by chance, it all worked fine
[16:37] <don903> just to tease me :|
[16:38] <Memfis> lol
[16:38] <Memfis> ok, What would be your ideal setup? 1024x768@24 bit depth?
[16:38] <don903> I looked at xorf.conf but there's no specific settings in there; looks like a blank default file
[16:39] <don903> yes that would be ideal and I am fairly certain the card supports that mode
[16:39] <don903> I can deal with 800x600x24 though
[16:39] <Memfis> yup, default file means everything is auto detected. we'll have to edit that
[16:40] <Memfis> you do manage to start X tho?
[16:40] <don903> not into a usable state
[16:40] <don903> the pisser is that the mode it uses to tell me my graphics hardware sucks is fine for my purposes!
[16:41] <Memfis> ok, thats one step further than I started with :)
[16:41] <Memfis> are you familiar with linux command line?
[16:41] <don903> very slightly
[16:42] <Memfis> are you able to use a terminal on your current setup? Do you have another pc you can use to remotely access it if everything goes wrong?
[16:42] <Memfis> Is openssh setup?
[16:42] <don903> No, it's all pretty much default at the moment. I have a user account.
[16:42] <don903> If everything goes wrong I'll just re-install
[16:43] <Memfis> you don't have another pc on the lan?
[16:43] <Memfis> eg the one you're online from now?
[16:43] <don903> ehhh, I'd have to bring the old beast down here into my lab... the computer in question is in my office on a network I don't control
[16:44] <Memfis> can you ping it?
[16:44] <don903> I don't think the NIC is even initialized before xorg runs
[16:44] <Memfis> should be
[16:45] <don903> I'm not sure how to check its IP from the terminal. If I could find its IP and it grabbed one from the DHCP pool then I could ping it
[16:46] <Memfis> Ok, let me explain. You'll need to edit the xorg.conf If you cant do this from the current X setup (or if X fails to start at some point) having remote cli access would be a great help & faster than reinstalling.
[16:47] <don903> Well I can reliably boot to a terminal screen. Editing xorf.conf shouldn't mess that up, right?
[16:47] <Memfis> correct. ok that'll do fine.
[16:48] <Memfis> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:48] <don903> ok, I'm going to run down to my office with this computer. I'll have to reconnect. Back in a few mins.
[16:49] <Memfis> kk
[16:50] <vidd> 4646689
[16:52] <don904> alright xorf.conf is loaded in nano
[16:54] <Memfis> wb
[16:54] <don904> thanks
[16:54] <Memfis> in the device section add : Driver "vesa"
[16:54] <Memfis> so that it reads :
[16:54] <Memfis> Section "Device"
[16:54] <Memfis>         Identifier      "Configured Video Device"
[16:54] <Memfis> Driver "vesa"
[16:55] <Memfis> EndSection
[16:55] <don904> done
[16:55] <vidd> !pastebin | Memfis,
[16:55] <don904> heh
[16:55] <Memfis> thanks ubottu will do
[16:55] <Memfis> sorry vidd
[16:56] <Memfis> darned bots :o)
[16:56] <vidd> Memfis, you filled my screen with line balloons
[16:56] <Memfis> oh? looks ok here
[16:56] <don904> yeah it's 4 lines here
[16:56] <Memfis> don edit the last section so it looks like this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/86379/
[16:57] <don904> should that be it then, Memfis?
[16:57] <don904> oh, looking
[16:58] <Memfis> ctrl-X and y to exit & save.
[16:58] <Memfis> restart X
[16:58]  * don904 holds breath
[16:59] <don904> ok, I'm getting that HAL error again, but I'll try rebooting in normal mode and see what happens
[16:59] <Memfis> ok
[17:01] <don904> what the hell
[17:02] <don904> it's still trying a bunch of video modes
[17:02] <don904> gah, same problem as before
[17:03] <Memfis> bummer.
[17:03] <Memfis> vesa is a driver for older hardware
[17:03] <Memfis> oh I know
[17:03] <Memfis> under driver = vesa add
[17:03] <Memfis> Option "NoDDCValue" "True"
[17:03] <don904> ok
[17:04] <vidd> don903, what does lspci say your display adaptor is?
[17:04] <don904> Matrox MGA G100 rev 2
[17:06] <Memfis> NoDDCValue should stop it hunting for other modes.
[17:06] <don904> added that line; rebooting now
[17:06] <don904> I appreciate the help.. I'm totally lost.
[17:07] <Memfis> join the club. I just wondered if the little I've learnt would help.
[17:08] <vidd> looks like you might need a driver
[17:08] <don904> but the splash screen comes up just fine
[17:08] <don904> it's /still/ hunting for different modes
[17:10] <Memfis> who make matrox? nvidia or ati I cant remember
[17:11] <don904> They're their own deal
[17:11] <Memfis> nah. I think they're another manufacturers chipset
[17:16] <vidd> don904, the splash screen would come up even if there was NO display driver in the kernel
[17:16] <don904> well, why can't I just continue using whatever mode that is?
[17:16] <don904> I've seen the xorg desktop several times anyways
[17:16] <don904> but usually not with the mouse working
[17:17] <don904> when the mouse works, xorg tells me my display settings are wrong
[17:17] <vidd> don904, no idea =\
[17:17] <don904> and it gives me some options, none of which do anything
[17:17] <Memfis> http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/search/?top_query=mga+linux&search=1
[17:18] <Memfis> once you've got drivers installed change vesa to mga
[17:18] <vidd> yeah
[17:18] <vidd> and it *should* work
[17:18] <Memfis> yup
[17:18] <vidd> vesa is like "generic display*
[17:19] <don904> none of these seem to include G100
[17:19] <vidd> and the splash works because it is a universal setting .... just like what your POST and bios use
[17:20] <don904> well why can't I just use that setting
[17:20] <don904> I don't care about higher modes
[17:20] <don904> I tried with 800x600 in the conf, too... no dice
[17:21] <vidd> try 640x480 (8)
[17:22] <don904> dear god
[17:22] <vidd> 8 bit color
[17:22] <don904> you're a madman
[17:22] <don904> I'll try it just to see if it's even obeying the conf file
[17:22] <vidd> that is STILL better resolution then POST and bios
[17:23] <vidd> but its as dumb as xorg gets
[17:23] <vidd> POST and bios use 2 or 4 bit color (i believe)
[17:24] <vidd> and 400X300 resolution
[17:24] <don904> the splashscreen is at least 640x480x16
[17:24] <vidd> then use that
[17:24] <don904> trying with 8 bit
[17:25] <don904> goes into that mode but with the HAL issue (and no mouse) rebooting to see what happens
[17:27] <don904> what the HELL
[17:28] <vidd> yes?
[17:28] <don904> when I boot normally, it still tries a bunch of modes!
[17:28] <vidd> hal is evil
[17:28] <don904> ..and starts xorg in >640x480x8 and tells me to reconfigure my graphics
[17:28] <don904> ARGH
[17:28] <vidd> "im sorry dave.....i just can't do that!"
[17:29] <Memfis> so it's obaying the conf but still trying other modes?
[17:29] <don904> It's NOT obeying the conf
[17:29] <don904> unless I "startx" from the terminal in recovery mode
[17:29] <don904> and in that case there is no mouse
[17:29] <Memfis> what monitor make and model are you using?
[17:30] <vidd> don904, you CAN disable hal and then manually configure xorg
[17:30] <don904> "compaq" FS7600
[17:30] <don904> I thought I did manually configure xorg with Memfis's direction?
[17:30] <Memfis> ok I'll see if I can find the hsync figures for it.
[17:30] <vidd> but you didnt disable hal
[17:32] <vidd> maybe ya might want to scare up a new display adaptor =]
[17:32] <Memfis> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-78288.html  read second from last post. Talks about d/l matrox driver unpacking and copying mga_drv.o by hand
[17:34] <Memfis> http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/support/drivers/previous/display/#Linux  I'd try mgadriver-4.1.tar.gz from 2004 section
[17:35] <vidd> hold up.....
[17:35] <vidd> let me check synaptic first
[17:36] <Memfis> mouse can be easier to fix if you get a working display
[17:37] <vidd> don904, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-mga
[17:37] <vidd> what does that say?
[17:37] <Memfis> nice find!
[17:38] <vidd> did you change display adaptors on this since instalation?
[17:38] <don904> xserver-xorg-video-mga is already the newest version
[17:38] <don904> No the hardware hasn't changed at all
[17:39] <Memfis> yes to vesa.
[17:39] <vidd> don904, then "remove --purge" and then install it again
[17:39] <Memfis> sorry I'll shutup. missread q.
[17:39] <vidd> Memfis, no worries
[17:41] <don904> oh, uh oh
[17:41] <don904> ok I deleted it but ehm
[17:41] <don904> I don't know how to get an IP address
[17:41] <don904> or if my NIC is even initialized
[17:41] <Memfis> ifconfig will tell you your current ip
[17:42] <don904> I don't have an external IP
[17:42] <don904> the only interface it seems to have listed is "local loopback"
[17:42] <vidd> don904, got the cd you installed with>?
[17:42] <don904> yes
[17:42] <vidd> so slap that puppy in, and edit your sources.list to only check the cd
[17:43] <vidd> or....
[17:43] <vidd> if you can plug a network cable into that system, you can run "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[17:44] <don904> did that, it says [OK]
[17:44] <don904> but ifconfig doesn't list the interface (I think)
[17:44] <vidd> edit your /etc/network/interfaces file with the following:
[17:45] <vidd> (sorry....pastebin isnt loading)
[17:47] <vidd> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/86420/
[17:47] <vidd> its probably already there....just commented out (#)
[17:47] <don904> it wasn't
[17:47] <vidd> save the change and run the restart command again
[17:47] <don904> where you put eth0 was l0 and where you put dhcp was loopback
[17:48] <don904> magic!
[17:48] <vidd> whoah!........
[17:48] <vidd> you need lo
[17:48] <don904> oh
[17:48] <don904> still shows up in ifconfig...
[17:49] <don904> but eth0 does now too
[17:49] <don904> with an IP
[17:49] <Memfis> [for later use] http://paste.ubuntu.com/86421/  Has xorg.conf settings for monitor
[17:49] <don904> and the IP is valid!
[17:49] <vidd> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/86422/
[17:49] <don904> (should let me access outside... the IT people had to add my MAC)
[17:49] <don904> ok I'll edit that again
[17:49] <vidd> set your interfaces as such (if lo was not re-added for you already)
[17:50] <vidd> of course the IP address is valid....
[17:51] <vidd> you could also set a static IP, but you would need the IP, the netmask and gateway addresses for that
[17:51] <don904> no, if they didn't add my MAC to their tables, I'd get a "valid" IP but not one that lets me access the internet, but it would still appear valid to me without seeing the hostname.
[17:51] <vidd> don904, you are getting a valid IP.....
[17:52] <don904> Yes :)
[17:52] <don904> I just reinstalled the drivers
[17:52] <vidd> but your IT peeps use MAC filtering
[17:53] <vidd> what MAC filtering does is, it will assign anyone who connects with an IP address from the DHCP server....just wont let any traffic pass
[17:53] <vidd> =]
[17:54] <vidd> this is why my home wifi network uses WEP plus MAC filtering.....
[17:54] <don904> people can spoof a MAC address after they crack your WEP key
[17:54] <vidd> lets the slugs THINK they cracked my home network....but no data pass =]
[17:55] <vidd> but how they going to determine what MAC will have permissions?
[17:55] <don904> by watching packets for a while
[18:00] <don904> alright, so I should try again after reinstalling those drivers? And add the parameters that Memfis found for my monitor?
[18:00] <don904> I got distracted... now that I got an IP I decided to apt-get ircii and try it out ^_^
[18:01] <don904> so exciting!
[20:38] <Datz1> Hello, I inserted a usb NIC into my pc with xubuntu installed.  Networks were found, I attempted to connect to mine, put in the WEP 26 digit hex key, waited, but i keep getting a popup window asking for the key over and over again after putting it in.  Is there any way to get around this?
[20:39] <vidd> Datz1, i use wicd instead of NM applet .... cuzz NM is annoying like this
[20:40] <Datz1> vidd, thanks for the response, but I don't understand what to do.
[20:40] <Datz1> is wicd an applet that is installed on xubuntu by default?
[20:40] <vidd> get the app wicd
[20:40] <Datz1> I see
[20:41] <vidd> no...it is not even in the repos so far as i know
[20:41] <Datz1> ok
[20:41] <Datz1> so install it by cd, then kill the regular network manager and start the new one?
[20:42] <vidd> no....get the deb file of the internet
[20:43] <Datz1> ah, I like the sound of that more
[20:44] <vidd> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wicd/wicd_1.5.6_all.deb?modtime=1228387182&big_mirror=0
[20:44] <vidd> then "sudo dpkg -i [path/to/deb/file]
[20:44] <Datz1> awesome, thanks
[20:44] <vidd> then "sudo apt-get install wicd
[20:45] <Datz1> if only my flash drive was able to be mounted...
[20:45] <vidd> Datz1, you will get errors with the first part, but the apt-get install will fix it all up
[20:45] <Datz1> ok, thanks I will try
[20:53] <Datz1> vidd, humm, package wicd is not available, but is referedred to by another p[ackage, this may mean that the package is missing...etc
[20:53] <vidd> did you run "dpkg -i"
[20:53] <Datz1> yes
[20:53] <vidd> did you get a host of errors?
[20:53] <Datz1> I'll to the whole thing again
[20:53] <Datz1> yes I got some errors
[20:54] <vidd> ok...
[20:54] <vidd> sudo apt-get install -f
[20:55] <vidd> better?
[20:55] <Datz1> that seems to have worked
[20:55] <vidd> now enjoy =]
[20:55] <Datz1> what does this mean?  Try and connect with the network manager again?\
[20:56] <vidd> no...connect with wicd
[20:56] <vidd> nm is now gone from your system
[20:56] <Datz1> humm, so I shouldn't see a icon with two pc's in the tray?
[20:56] <vidd> do you have a computer screens icon on your panels?
[20:56] <Datz1> yes
[20:56] <vidd> that is wicd
[20:56] <Datz1> ah, nice
[20:56] <vidd> use that
[20:57] <Datz1> trying, thanks
[20:57] <vidd> you will need to set up the "advanced" options for your wifi
[20:57] <Datz1> restarting as I see not networks..
[20:58] <Datz1> this usb nic is shit I think
[20:58] <vidd> !language | Datz1
[20:58] <Datz1> or maybe its the old P3 system to blame
[20:58] <Datz1> opps, ok
[20:59] <vidd> is it a b43 wifi card?
[20:59] <Datz1> I don't know
[20:59] <Datz1> one sec
[20:59] <vidd> what does "lsusb" say it is?
[20:59] <Datz1> taking a min to restart..
[21:00] <vidd> =\ why are we restarting?
[21:00] <vidd> you dont need to restart in linux
[21:00] <vidd> unless you are updating the kernel
[21:00] <Datz1> this is the product : http://www.encore-usa.com/product_item.php?region=us&bid=2&pgid=1&pid=293
[21:01] <Datz1> well, this system is bad it stopped detecting the wirless until I restarted sometimes
[21:02] <Datz1> wireless NIC*
[21:02] <vidd> Datz1, that link was useless
[21:02] <Datz1> ok
[21:02] <wolfwalker> How do you access an internal hard drive with Xubuntu?
[21:02] <vidd> what does "lsusb" say the chipset is?
[21:03] <vidd> wolfwalker, "sudo mount [path/to/drive]
[21:03] <Datz1> Realtek
[21:03] <wolfwalker> Drive is /sda1
[21:03] <vidd> Datz1, it HAS to say more than that
[21:03] <wolfwalker> So /dev/sda1?
[21:04] <Datz1> ok, let me increase the font size so I don't have to go back and forth  :)
[21:04] <vidd> wolfwalker, yes
[21:04] <Datz1> ok
[21:05] <Datz1> Bus 001 Devuce 005 ID 0bda:8187 Realteck Semiconductor Corp.
[21:05] <wolfwalker> Thanks vidd.  I'm used to gui, but this slow P4 thing won't run Ubuntu.
[21:06] <vidd> Datz1, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5090337
[21:07] <wolfwalker> vidd it says it can't find it in fstab
[21:07] <vidd> wolfwalker, a P4 wont run xubuntu????/
[21:07] <wolfwalker> Yes, but it wouldn't run Ubuntu.
[21:08] <vidd> and you cant find it in thunar?
[21:08] <wolfwalker> Nope
[21:08] <Datz1> I'm running ubuntu with a p4 now  :)
[21:08] <vidd> is this a new drive?
[21:09] <wolfwalker> No, it's just an internal drive that is not the one I installed Xubuntu to.
[21:09] <Datz1> vidd, I guess lsusb does not way what the chipset is
[21:09] <wolfwalker> It's a slave, I installed Xubuntu to master.
[21:09] <Datz1> as I see it does in the link you gave
[21:10] <Datz1> if this is a chipset RTL8187B
[21:11] <vidd> wolfwalker, the second drive was there during install and you didnt put it in the file syste?
[21:12] <vidd> wolfwalker, run gparted
[21:12] <vidd> you might need to install it
[21:12] <wolfwalker> I didn't put it in anything, just installed Xubuntu to the other hard drive.
[21:12] <vidd> yeah.....
[21:13] <vidd> i would have set up the partitions manually, so that when the install was complete, the system would have seen the drive
[21:13] <wolfwalker> But in terminal, sudo fdisk -l shows it as sda1
[21:14] <vidd> i doubt that
[21:14] <vidd> sda1 is your master not the salve
[21:14] <vidd> the slave would be sdb
[21:14]  * vidd has to go home now
[21:15] <Datz1> thanks anyway vidd  :)
[21:15] <wolfwalker> Well all I know is sda is the one without the Linux partitions and sdb is the one with all the Xubuntu stuff.
[21:16] <Datz1> vidd is gone wolfwalker  :(
[21:16] <Datz1> me too, cya
[21:16] <djbushdio> bye
[21:16] <wolfwalker> I know
[21:16] <wolfwalker> I was saying that in case anyone else could help me
[21:16] <djbushdio> anyway
[21:16] <djbushdio> i can, hopefully
[21:16] <djbushdio> hold on, let me review the log
[21:17] <djbushdio> okay
[21:17] <djbushdio> so can you give me a quick summary of what you are trying to do?
[21:19] <wolfwalker> Nah, I booted puppy and retrieved the files to a flash drive.
[21:19] <wolfwalker> Thanks anyway
[21:21] <djbushdio> okay
[22:42] <csc_> i would like to know where i can find a  working usplash screen after grub starts for replacing the actual "xubuntu". i tried many but they either have other "ubuntu" text logos or do not support every resolution like the default one. please help
[23:06] <csc_> hello
[23:07] <csc_> is there a way to disable beeps everytime the cursor attempts to cross the bounds of an input box??
[23:08] <Odd-rationale> !usplash | csc_
[23:08] <Odd-rationale> see it that helps...


[01:31] <Takyoji> Yaknow; LibreOffice 3 should just be called LibreOffice or versioned as LibreOffice 1
[01:31] <Takyoji> It's a fork of OpenOffice 3, yes
[01:35] <Takyoji> Is MyDNS even packaged for Debian?
[01:38] <Takyoji> I'm surprised nobody here has jumped at the opportunity of packaging MyDNS
[01:50] <Takyoji> Last release was 5 years ago?


[00:04] <pymagic> does kde have problems with nvidia drivers on ubuntu 20.04LTS? The default ubuntu has fractonal scaling bugs on nvidia that are problematic
 I have never had good luck with desktop scaling as I find something are over/under scaled.  I typically use the font size to control my "scaling".
[01:11] <mamarley> That's probably not NVIDIA bugs.  Fractional scaling doesn't work particularly well with the Intel drivers either.  I second DarinMiller's suggestion for using font DPI instead.
[05:14] <pymagic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1870736
[05:14] <pymagic> that bug is in gnome - does kubuntu suffer from it as well. Nvidia + 4k + ubuntu is trouble - that is just one of the bug
[05:42] <valorie> I just use font dpi
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy all


[16:00] <smoser> o/
[16:00] <chiluk> o/
[16:01] <matsubara> o/
[16:01] <lutostag> o/
[16:01] <gnuoy> o/
[16:01] <caribou> o/
[16:02] <coreycb> o/
[16:02] <smoser> hm...
[16:02] <smoser> arosales did not update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:02] <smoser> so that either means
[16:02] <smoser> a.) arosales is chair
[16:02] <smoser> b.) jamespage
[16:02] <beisner> o/
[16:03] <jamespage> #startmeeting
[16:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 29 16:03:18 2014 UTC.  The chair is jamespage. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:03] <jamespage> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:03] <jamespage> hmm - let me dig
[16:03] <jamespage> anyone know? I was not around last week
[16:03] <jamespage> bad arosales
[16:04] <smoser> i had an action item
[16:04] <smoser> to talk to smb
[16:04] <smoser> and that is in progress (wrt bug 1185756)
[16:04] <jamespage> great
[16:04] <jamespage> thanks for the update
[16:05] <jamespage> #topic Utopic development
[16:05] <jamespage> so just in case anyone missed it utopic is open for development
[16:06] <jamespage> syncs are happening from debian unstable; make sure you keep onto of any merges you did last as well
[16:06] <jamespage> rbasak, are you able to send round a merge update to nudge us all?
[16:06] <jamespage> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[16:07] <jamespage> #action jamespage to update the meeting handy actions
[16:07] <meetingology> ACTION: jamespage to update the meeting handy actions
[16:07] <jamespage> so aside from the daily distro grind, now is the time to start documenting features for 14.10 release and getting plans lined up
[16:07] <rbasak> jamespage: will do
[16:07] <jamespage> I know gaughen will be chasing everyone for blueprints!
[16:07] <jamespage> rbasak, thanks!
[16:08] <gaughen> jamespage, it's true! I have an email partially composed to nag folks. Creating the unicorn blueprints first
[16:08] <gaughen> so I give folks a place to move stuff
[16:08] <jamespage> after the lts releases conservative feature approach, feel free to make outlandish and streching objective for utopic
[16:08] <jamespage> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:09] <jamespage> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-t-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:10] <jamespage> wow look at that - loads of bugs!
[16:10]  * jamespage looks harder
[16:10] <jamespage> looks like kirkland is on a few byobu bugs
[16:11] <jamespage> I'll look at bug 1304135
[16:11] <jamespage> some maas things - lutostag are you on those
[16:11] <jamespage> ?
[16:11] <jamespage> specifically bug 1311151 and bug 1311140
[16:11] <lutostag> 1311140 is getting sru'd will take on the other as well
[16:12] <jamespage> ditto bug 1310844 and bug 1310846
[16:12] <lutostag> jamespage: consider them mine
[16:13] <jamespage> lutostag, marvellous
[16:13] <jamespage> anyway - there are a few things on that list - lets try get them fixed
[16:13] <jamespage> so everyone take a look an do bugs :-)
[16:13] <jamespage> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:13] <jamespage> already talked about that
[16:13] <jamespage> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:14] <jamespage> caribou, anything this week?
[16:14] <caribou> strugglin a bit with bug 1313602
[16:15] <caribou> then talking about blueprints, I have demands to implement networked kernel dumps
[16:15] <caribou> i.e. possibility to send the kernel vmcore to a remote location
[16:15] <caribou> I'll craft a blueprint on this one
[16:15] <jamespage> caribou, gnuoy or coreycb - any change either of you could help caribou out with the bug above?
[16:15] <jamespage> its a scalability thing
[16:16] <coreycb> jamespage, sure
[16:16] <caribou> I'm facing a specific issue about sending all lines of the file
[16:16] <caribou> coreycb: I'll ping you later
[16:16] <jamespage> caribou, lets not get into details now :-)
[16:16] <jamespage> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:16] <caribou> thanks
[16:16] <coreycb> caribou, yes sounds good
[16:16] <jamespage> psivaa, anything for you?
[16:16] <psivaa> jamespage: nothing from us this week too
[16:16] <jamespage> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:17] <jamespage> smb, sforshee: anything this week?
[16:17] <sforshee> I'm working on some additional device support in lxc, that's about it
[16:17] <jamespage> sforshee, oo - sounds interesting!
[16:18] <jamespage> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:18] <jamespage> Openstack summit in atlanta in a few weeks
[16:18] <jamespage> quite a few server team attending I suspect
[16:18] <jamespage> anything else anyone is going to?
[16:19] <jamespage> #topic Open Discussion
[16:20] <jamespage> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:20] <jamespage> same time next week
[16:21] <jamespage> #endmeeting
[16:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 29 16:21:11 2014 UTC.
[16:21] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-04-29-16.03.moin.txt
[16:21] <jamespage> ttfn
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 29 17:00:17 2014 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Utopic
[17:00] <kamal> o/
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:00] <apw> o/
[17:00] <bjf> o/
[17:00] <chiluk> o/
[17:00] <ogasawara> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati> nothing new to report this week
[17:01] <ppisati> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-u/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html
[17:01] <ogasawara> The links above have 0 content for Utopic.  I'll try to get those fixed
[17:01] <ogasawara> up to better reflect our work moving forward.
[17:01] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Utopic Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> Our Trusty kernel has been pocket copied to seed Utopic.  We have opened
[17:02] <ogasawara> the ubuntu-utopic kernel tree.  The master-next branch is currently
[17:02] <ogasawara> tracking the v3.15-rc3 kernel.  We likely won't upload a v3.15 based
[17:02] <ogasawara> kernel until a few more -rc releases come out.
[17:02] <ogasawara> -----
[17:02] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[17:02] <ogasawara> The schedule is currently under review.
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:02] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Trusty/Saucy/Quantal/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/kamal)
[17:03] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today (Mar. 25):
[17:03] <bjf>   *   Lucid - Prep week
[17:03] <bjf>   * Precise - Prep week
[17:03] <bjf>   * Quantal - Prep week
[17:03] <bjf>   *   Saucy - Prep week
[17:03] <bjf>   *  Trusty - Prep week
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:03] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:03] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:03] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf> Schedule:
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf> cycle: 27-Apr through 17-May
[17:03] <bjf> [17:03] <bjf>          25-Apr   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:03] <bjf> 27-Apr - 03-May   Kernel prep week.
[17:03] <bjf> 04-May - 10-May   Bug verification & Regression testing.
[17:03] <bjf> 11-May - 17-May   Regression testing & Release to -updates.
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:03] <smb> o/ (just noting that he did not miss the meeting completely, only halfway) ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:04] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 29 17:04:47 2014 UTC.
[17:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-04-29-17.00.moin.txt
[17:04] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury


[12:18] <jdong|coreduo> UWN #3 has a slight inaccuracy, I think
[12:18] <jdong|coreduo> "Security vulnerabilities found in the following packages have been fixed in all affected Ubuntu releases"
[12:19] <jdong|coreduo> it's not a true statement
[12:19] <jdong|coreduo> thunderbird (like firefox) has not been fixed for Hoary/Breezy
[12:19] <jdong|coreduo> due to the 1.0.x series losing upstream support
[12:20] <jdong|coreduo> I believe ubuntu-devel has had some discussion on that issue, and it's worth mentioning in the newsletter in a bit more detail
[12:42] <jdong|coreduo> mgalvin, can you revise UWN #3 a bit, regarding security updates?
[12:42] <jdong|coreduo> namely, that thunderbird and firefox vulns still exist for Breezy and Hoary?
[12:43] <jdong|coreduo> (1.0.8 no support)
[12:47] <mgalvin> jdong|coreduo: in a few min i can (or you can if you want/have time)
[12:48] <jdong|coreduo> mgalvin, I'll wait patiently, as long as you will eventually do it :)
[12:48] <jdong|coreduo> you can word it better than me
[12:49] <mgalvin> jdong|coreduo: hehe, ok, i will do it in a few min
[12:49] <jdong|coreduo> thanks very much
[12:57] <mgalvin> jdong|coreduo: np, so its that upstream does not support them anymore correct?
[12:58] <jdong|coreduo> mgalvin, correct; there is a discussion on ubuntu-devel (the list) about viable options
[12:58] <jdong|coreduo> so it may be nice to link to that discussion
[12:58] <mgalvin> ok, i will check... been a long week *sigh* so i haven't gotten to everything yet
[12:58] <mgalvin> indeed, i will
[12:59] <jdong|coreduo> mgalvin, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-June/018506.html
[12:59] <mgalvin> thanks
[12:59] <jdong|coreduo> that's the discussion on firefox
[12:59] <jdong|coreduo> it basically applies to thunderbird, too :)
[12:59] <crimsun> jdong|coreduo: do you mind making one of reinhard, sebastian, or myself an admin of ubuntu-backports on LP?
[12:59] <jdong|coreduo> crimsun, not at all
[12:59] <crimsun> jdong|coreduo: great, thanks much
[01:01] <jdong|coreduo> crimsun, are only owners allowed to do that?
[01:01] <crimsun> hmm, I think
[01:01] <jdong|coreduo> I'm not seeing the ability to do it from here
[01:01] <jdong|coreduo> mez is the owner
[01:02] <crimsun> ok
[01:02] <jdong|coreduo> so if you can get ahold of him... :)
[01:31] <Burgundavia> hey all
[02:38] <mgalvin> jdong|coreduo: around?
[02:39] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: hey (an hour later ;))
[02:40] <Burgundavia> hey mgalvin
[04:04] <nixternal> hey Burgundavia...how was the trip?
[06:11] <Burgundavia> nixternal: it was good
[06:11] <nixternal> good deal
[06:11] <nixternal> now your heading to the big easy
[06:11] <nixternal> that should smell pretty bad ;)
[06:12] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:13] <nixternal> i think my dad just headed down there as a matter of fact for some work
[06:13] <Burgundavia> just a sec, dbus died on me
[06:13] <nixternal> lol
[06:13] <nixternal> nice
[06:13] <Burgundavia> ie: I need to restart (bloody dbus)
[06:18] <Burgundavia> ok, back
[08:29] <Burgundavia> LaserJock_: we be done, eh?
[08:29] <LaserJock_> I guess
[08:30] <LaserJock_> I don't have any emails
[08:30] <Burgundavia> I believe we are waiting for the press release, on Thursday
[08:30] <Burgundavia> now come the bug reports
[08:30] <LaserJock_> hehe
[08:30] <Madpilot> the book is finally done?
[08:30] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: no, something else. See my blog post
[08:30] <LaserJock_> well at least Userful is in the maintainer field ;-)
[08:31] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:31] <Burgundavia> it is our junk
[08:31] <Burgundavia> did you note that our stuff is 6.8.2, not 6.9/7.0?
[08:32] <LaserJock_> I didn't pay much attention, figures though
[08:32] <LaserJock_> I got Jason in -motu though ;-)
[08:32] <LaserJock_> we did a little pbuilder Q&A
[08:33] <Burgundavia> very cool
[08:33] <Burgundavia> I had a good chat with Tim and Daniels father at CLA (who also happens to work for the company)
[08:33] <Burgundavia> the message of Ubuntu is slowly seeping in
[08:33] <LaserJock_> good
[08:33] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, so is this the thingie that Userful uses to multiply X to many stations?
[08:33] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: indeed it is
[08:34] <Burgundavia> in multiverse! terribly shiny and all that
[08:34] <Madpilot> nice... the dapper-changes email was a bit... cryptic, and technical
[08:35] <LaserJock_> of course ;-)
[08:35] <Burgundavia> press release on Thursday
[08:35] <Burgundavia> there is also growing talk about open sourcing our stuff
[08:35] <Madpilot> ah, there will be something human-readable :) For a press-release value of 'readable', anyway
[08:35] <Burgundavia> just need to convince Tim
[08:36] <Burgundavia> indeed
[08:36] <LaserJock_> I've already go some questions from \sh and ogra about it
[08:36] <Madpilot> isn't your multiseat widget most of your 'stuff' in this case?
[08:36] <LaserJock_> hehe, "What the heck is a NEW package doing in updates"
[08:36] <Burgundavia> yes and no
[08:36] <LaserJock_> Burgundavia: you should tell him that if it was opensource he would have free packaging :-)
[08:37] <Burgundavia> heh
[08:37] <LaserJock_> it's true
[08:37] <Burgundavia> not really a business case,sadly
[08:37] <LaserJock_> free slave labor :-)
[08:37] <Burgundavia> tell \sh and ogra "Welcome to the brave new Dapper universe"
[08:37] <Burgundavia> I expect to see more stuff like it in our multiverse over time
[08:38] <Burgundavia> oracle db express? skype?
[08:39] <LaserJock_> yeah, ogra said mvo is really trying to push stuff like that forward
[08:39] <Burgundavia> I expect the pressure also coming from malc, sabdfl and jdub
[08:43] <Burgundavia> night all
[08:43] <Burgundavia> LaserJock_: chase up your pay this week (I will be away, as stated on p.u.c)
[08:44] <LaserJock_> ok, thanks
[10:25] <Madpilot> heh - nice spec name: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DrinkingFromTheFirehose
[10:29] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:30] <Madpilot> I really should get into bughunting/triaging a bit more
[10:32] <LaserJock> yep
[10:32] <LaserJock> and Henrik just talked about trying to get forum people working on that too
[10:33] <Madpilot> good - the perennial forum/rest of Ubuntu divide gets a bit narrower ;)
[10:38] <LaserJock> there is a forum person, ubuntu_deamon I believe, here
[10:39] <Madpilot> gah... why does LP always return errors on the more interesting bugs? :|
[11:45] <LaserJock> mdke: hi!
[12:10] <mdke> LaserJock: hello
[12:13] <mdke> LaserJock: having fun?
[12:17] <jsgotangco> wish we had proper outlets here though
[01:16] <jenda> Is the ubuntu 64 bit version documented somewhere? Can't really find anything in the wiki.
[01:16] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug 64 in pwlib "pwlib: FTBFS: Shared libraries without -fPIC." [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=64
[01:19] <jenda> thanks, Ubugtu
[01:22] <dsas> jenda: I guess it depends on what exactly you want documented, I believe there's documentation on using 32bit chroots for various things, I'm not sure what else you'd need (I don't use the platform myself)
[01:23] <jenda> I don't use it either, but a guy's asking wether it's a good idea to install it, or wether to use 32 bit
[01:24] <dsas> I think most things just work, but you run into problems with non-free stuff - w32codecs, flash are two that are usually issues I think.
[01:24] <jenda> OK
[01:25] <jenda> thanks.
[01:26] <dsas> They can work, but you have to install the app in a 32bit chroot, I don't know how hard that is, or how strong the documentation on it is. It won't just work in any case.
[01:27] <jenda> Yes, just found that in - where else - /RestrictedFormats on the wiki :)
[06:22] <mdke> we have wiki
[06:40] <Burgwork> mdke, we migrated?
[06:57] <mvirkkil> Hmm.. What's going on?
[08:15] <mdke> Burgwork: yes
[08:15] <robotgeek> hey mdke
[08:15] <mdke> hiya
[08:18] <Burgwork> mdke, sweetness. You in Paris?
[08:49] <jjesse> how can i keep my kubuntu wiki theme across on help.ubuntu.com for documeation?
[08:50] <jjesse> hmmm also need to keep me logged in when i tranfsfer over to help.ubuntu.com from wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:52] <Burgwork> jjesse, currently neither of those is possible
[08:53] <jjesse> we should make those possible :)
[08:56] <Burgwork> the 2nd would require shared cookies
[08:56] <Burgwork> I believe the LP people are working on it
[09:01] <jjesse> cool, need to add the kubuntu theme as well:)
[09:20] <mdke> Burgwork: nope
[09:21] <Burgwork> mdke, hmm, so only jerome is there. I guess Laser_away is as well
[09:23] <mdke> he is yeah
[09:23] <mdke> jjesse: i'll ask to get that kubuntu theme added
[09:29] <jjesse> mdke: thanks
[09:30] <jjesse> btw congrats on geting the move done
[09:30] <Burgwork> indeed
[10:23] <tormod> after the wiki-move to help.ubuntu.com, most of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingProcedures is broken. What's the plan?
[10:23] <Burgwork> tormod, fix the links as needed
[10:24] <tormod> burgwork, link to the old wiki?
[10:24] <Burgwork> tormod, yep
[10:25] <tormod> burgwork, are you sure the missing pages should not be moved to h.u.c ?
[10:27] <Burgwork> tormod, can you email ubuntu-doc with a list of broken links for discussion?
[11:08] <tormod> burgwork, sure - done.
[11:10] <tormod> burgwork, but "Post by non-member to a members-only list" "awaits moderator approval"
[11:12] <Burgwork> tormod, it will get passed, but might take a bit


[00:21] <xnox> enyc:  i don't think #ubuntu-boot existed for years.
[03:57] <enyc> xnox: hrrrrrrrrrm https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList lists it.......
[12:02] <nibbon_> LP: #1932209
[12:03] <nibbon_> LP: #1931855
[12:17] <cascardo> nibbon_: what about them?
[12:21] <nibbon_> cascardo: nothing special, was just checking what they were about since I was expecting in focal-update 5.4.0-75 and yet we are with 5.4.0-77
[12:22] <nibbon_> was trying to wrap my head around what fixes have been pushed in 5.4.0-77 and whether or not is worth upgrade for my use case
[12:46] <cascardo> nibbon_: they are security updates, I would recommend upgrading or blacklisting those modules
[14:18] <apw> nibbon_, fairly standard for embargoed security updates to trigger version bumps like this.


[11:03] <JonathanD> morning PA
[11:22] <InHisName> morning to you, JonathanD
[11:29] <JonathanD> howdy InHisName
[11:29] <JonathanD> this is gonna bea fun one
[11:29] <JonathanD> 23 is closed.
[11:29] <JonathanD> we've spent the past 2 weeks checking alt routes.
[11:53] <waltman> canoe?
[11:56] <JonathanD> thats one possibility.
[12:01] <waltman> today would be a nice day for it
[12:06] <JonathanD> it would
[12:06] <JonathanD> waltman: you know we have a canoe now?
[12:06] <JonathanD> we got it last week.
[12:06] <JonathanD> it's a large one, I could probably float my car on it with some outriggers ::P
[12:07] <waltman> So I don't know why you're complaining about 23 then. Just take it down to the river and float downstream to work.
[12:08] <JonathanD> waltman: I'm not sure taht solves all my problems :)
[12:10] <waltman> I suppose the commute home would be a little tougher...
[12:11] <JonathanD> just a bit.
[12:11] <JonathanD> worth noting I don't actually have paddles yet, so "impossible" might be more accurate.
[12:11] <JonathanD> I suppose I could put some sort of paddles on the wheels of hte car.
[12:11] <JonathanD> lets caulk the wagon!
[12:12] <waltman> maybe you could rig up a bicycle wheel as a pedal-powered outboard motor
[12:12] <waltman> breakfast &
[12:30] <JonathanD> good plan.
[13:51] <HowdyDoody> 2.5 days and no hangs yet.
[13:54] <HowdyDoody> If only you had foresight to buy an amphibious car in first place, JonathanD
[13:54] <HowdyDoody> jedijf what is world does jedijf_znc mean?
[13:55] <andrew> znc is an irc thing
[14:00] <jedijf> znc is an irc bouncer...a friend setup a server and invited me to use it, so to keep the enthusiasm up...using it, but it's no screen + irrsi <--at least to me
[14:12] <ChinnoDog> You can still use irssi with it if you want
[14:23] <ChinnoDog> hi lamalex
[14:27] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: i know, did that too
[16:05] <knightzero> Morning all.
[16:10] <ssweeny> [A[B
[16:11] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny isn't booting up this morning
[16:11] <ssweeny> pleia2, i've seen you twice now but was caught up in the middle of introductions
[16:11] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog, it's 5pm here and i haven't slept
[16:11] <ChinnoDog> oh. Sleeping is good
[17:14] <InHisName> here ?  Spain ?
[17:18] <jedijf> sleepin america have fun at UDS
[17:19] <jedijf> we are so well represented at UDS....even if lyz /thinks/ she prefers sf
[17:41] <InHisName> UDS?
[17:41] <InHisName> No snappy comeback from PennBot ?
[17:50] <andrew> !ping
[17:50] <andrew> @ping
[17:50] <PennBot> pong
[18:49]  * pleia2 goes to find ssweeny
[18:51] <andrew> you lost him already?
[18:58] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny is married now. He should be easier to see by the day.
[19:00] <andrew> ouch
[19:04] <ChinnoDog> Statistically speaking, you know.
[19:22] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: go ahead, tell me I'm wrong


[01:27] <Jordan_U> There is a person whose nick is "rm-f`whoami`" in #ubuntu
[01:31]  * MrPoopyPants tearfully begs for his ban to be removed in the offtopic channel
[01:40] <persia> MrPoopyPants: I'm not an op in that channel, and can't look at why you are banned, but I suspect your nick may have influenced the decision.
[01:42] <MrPoopyPants> :(
[01:48] <nhandler> @login
[01:51] <nhandler> MenZa: You around?
[01:55] <nhandler> MrPoopyPants: Why do you want to go back in -offtopic? It seems that while you were there, you spent your time insulting the OPs and the policies
[01:56] <MrPoopyPants> because I lubs it there
[02:03] <nhandler> MrPoopyPants: If you were to /msg ubottu !guidelines
[02:04] <nhandler> err... MrPoopyPants: Have you read our IRC guidelines?
[02:05] <nhandler> MrPoopyPants: And if you were to be unbanned, would you abide by our rules (regardless of whether or not you agree with them) as well as listen to our OPs ?
[02:05] <MrPoopyPants> nhandler, sure I would!
[02:07] <nhandler> MrPoopyPants: Do you realize what you did wrong in the first place to get banned?
[02:08] <MrPoopyPants> nhandler, I don't remember it, but my guess was it was for being a smart ass.
[02:10] <nhandler> MrPoopyPants: If you were in my shoes, would you unban yourself? Why?
[02:11] <MrPoopyPants> if I were in your shoes I would unban just for the sake of unbanning someone.
[02:12] <nhandler> MrPoopyPants: That really isn't a great reason. Our object is to keep the channels running smoothly. If users prevent this from happening by breaking the rules and not listening, bans are sometimes necessary
[02:13] <MrPoopyPants> well, I wont break the rules or not listen, but im not a great debater.
[02:14] <nhandler> Well, I am not an -offtopic OP, so I cannot unban you. You will have to wait until one shows up.
[02:14] <MrPoopyPants> Oh wells.
[02:15] <genii> @login
[02:17] <genii> Hm
[02:18] <Pici> hmmm?
[02:18] <genii> Pici: Was going to look in on our pooy-panted ban but they departed
[02:23] <genii> Hm. why were multiple logins from same indonesian IP not flagged? ( lrc03 lrc04    etc)
[02:23] <Pici> flagged for what?
[02:24] <Pici> If you mean the multiple users from one ip message, I think that gets triggered at more than 3 or 4 clones.
[02:25] <genii> Pici: Ah, OK
[02:27] <IdleOne> should I install 64bit or 32bit?
[02:27] <IdleOne> any reason why I would chose 64?
[02:27] <IdleOne> major advantages ? I have 4gig of ram
[02:27] <IdleOne> this isn't #ubuntu!
[02:27] <IdleOne> lol
[02:28] <genii> More coffee!
[02:28]  * IdleOne has a soda but not strong enough it seems
[03:02]  * tonyyarusso upped himself to 8 gigs of RAM <3
[03:16] <MTecknology> Anyone wanna chat with maple1 in -offtopic?
[03:16] <h00k> MTecknology: I'm there, also funkyHat
[03:17] <MTecknology> h00k: I forgot you guys were ops in there
[03:17] <h00k> MTecknology: :) no problem, but thank you
[03:23] <funkyHat> [! ]ops isn't working properly as a hilight in irssi ⢁(
[03:23] <funkyHat> Eventually I will get it working right!!!
[03:23] <funkyHat> And stop complaining
[03:24] <maple1> windows 7 for life!
[03:25] <funkyHat> Eventually windows 7 will be old and outdated
[03:28] <persia> Never!  Improvements in scheduled online updates will allow continued enablement of every possible feature, including safely bridging the 2038 line.
[03:29] <h00k> maple1: If you do not have a reason to be here, please part.
[03:29] <Seeker`> maple1: how can I help you?
[03:34] <Seeker`> maple1: How can I help you?
[03:34] <MTecknology> Seeker`: ban evasion in offtopic
[03:36] <funkyHat> There wasn't a ban
[03:36] <h00k> funkyHat: there was.
[03:36] <funkyHat> Oh. Silly me
[03:39] <Seeker`> maple1: you aren't being unbanned for at least 48 hours. Please come back then if you wish to discuss this.
[03:41] <Seeker`> maple1: Please don't idle in here
[03:54] <persia> Any #ubuntu-server ops about?  swearing in response to an !ohmy there, which irritates me.
[03:55] <persia> Ah, left.  Nevermind.
[03:57] <Pici> MTecknology: is there anything else we can help you with?
[03:58] <MTecknology> Pici: nope, spaced on being in here
[04:00] <h00k> Yeah, I was going to do that and then realized I couldn't op in here
[04:00] <Pici> Just poke someone if you think that someone needs to be removed
[04:01] <h00k> sounds alright to me
[04:14] <nhandler> Yep. I'm usually around at this time, so just hilight me to get my attention
[04:14] <nhandler> (or any other people with +o in here)
[04:27] <h00k> Sounds good
[04:32] <IdleOne> I need to learn the remove command
[04:33] <nhandler> IdleOne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nhandler/OperatorGuide#Removing Users
[04:35] <IdleOne> but I need to be oped to use /quote remove correct?
[04:36] <nhandler> IdleOne: Yep
[04:37] <Amaranth> IdleOne: You need a script
[04:38] <Amaranth> chanserv.py for xchat, autobleh or some such thing for irssi
[04:38] <IdleOne> I got chanserv.py
[04:38] <Amaranth> IdleOne: In that case it's just /cs k user reason
[04:38] <Amaranth> IdleOne: it'll op you, remove them, then deop
[04:38] <Amaranth> you can leave the reason off
[04:39] <IdleOne> /cs k kicks or removes?
[04:48] <bazhang> yep
[04:48] <bazhang> and the m option is = quiet
[04:49] <Flannel> it stands for MMmmmmm, quit.
[04:49] <Flannel> quiet, even.
[04:49] <bazhang> wish I knew how to do the time expiring quiet though
[04:50] <Flannel> the e is silent, in solidarity
[05:51] <h00k> genii: do you think that is enough for a removal?
[05:52] <genii> h00k: ?
[05:52] <h00k> genii: oh, just ryan_ in #ubuntu again
[05:52] <genii> Ah lemme look
[05:53] <bazhang> yep
[05:53] <bazhang> first comment was 'your mom is solaris'
[05:53] <genii> heh
[05:53] <persia> Has he gotten any help in #ubuntu?  Nobody in #ubuntu-powerpc knew the answer, and in #ubuntu-ports, I only redirected him back to #ubuntu-powerpc
[05:54] <h00k> It doesn't appear so
[05:54] <persia> Oh well.  I imagine he's getting bored and frustrated and irritating then :(
[05:54] <h00k> but I warned him to keep it appropriate and within the guidelines
[05:54] <genii> persia: He's using a dist + arch no one can assist with
[05:55] <h00k> I understand, but still
[05:55] <bazhang> 8 bit color? wonder if he is being genuine
[05:55] <persia> 9.04/powerpc, right?
[05:56] <persia> I think he just needs to be told the name of a tool that lets him fiddle bit depth like xrandr fiddles resolution.  Anything beyond that probably falls into bug territory.
[05:57] <genii> Hm
[06:08] <h00k> and I need sleep. Peace, all.
[07:06] <Flannel> Do we have a plan for when to open up -release-party? (I think its too soon, but I imagine we'll start getting queries this weekend)
[07:08] <elky> 72-48hrs beforehand is usually what we tell people
[07:08] <persia> It seems to usually open about the time the first candidates get posted for release testing (typically "Tuesday" for some timezone or other)
[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[10:15] <eviljussi01> !search locked
[10:15] <eviljussi01> !aptlock
[11:10] <jussi01> anyone about?
[11:10] <bazhang> yep
[11:10] <jussi01> bazhang: you on lucid?
[11:10] <bazhang> jussi01, not yet
[11:11] <jussi01> ok, I think Ill have to go ask in #ubuntu+1. Seems empathy hasnt been updated to use port 8000 for irc, and it doesnt default to freenode....
[11:12] <jussi01> just wanted someone to check that its isnt just me.
[11:12] <jussi01> and yes... its true... Im trying out *cough* gnome *cough*
[11:13] <bazhang> hah, I'm switching to kde4 for lucid
[11:13] <persia> +1 is the right place.  Probably needs a bug.
[11:13] <persia> quassel works fine on GNOME anyway.
[11:14] <jussi01> yes, it does. Im on it :)
[11:14] <jussi01> need to make some changes to my dark theme though
[11:38] <Tm_T> brrrrh
[12:33] <ikonia> ok - I think we need to note that alabd is actually using backtrack linux not ubuntu
[12:34] <IdleOne> noted
[12:42]  * gnomefreak never heard of backtrack
[12:43] <gnomefreak> there is a crunchbag too?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> s/crunchbag/crunchbang
[12:44] <IdleOne> there is
[12:44] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: #backtrack-linux and #crunchbang
[12:45] <IdleOne> just so you know :)
[12:48] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: thanks
[12:48] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: yup, don't ask what the differences are. I don't know or care anymore heh
[12:49] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:49] <IdleOne> as far as I can tell there are 3 distros, .deb based, .rpm based and .icompileeverythingcuzi1337 based
[12:52] <elky> oh gosh, is backtrack still around?
[12:52] <ikonia> going well
[12:52] <gnomefreak> i guess its old
[12:52] <ikonia> for security stuff
[12:52] <ikonia> no, it's solid
[12:52] <ikonia> aimed at security, based on 8.04
[12:53] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:53] <ikonia> next release will be based around 10.04, they only do LTS versions so they can have stable tool sets, it's a worth while spin off, the focus is very much on security testing
[12:53] <elky> similar to how gnewsense does, then. which is fair enough for a small dev team
[12:54] <persia> Too hard to merge every six months, unless one makes almost no changes.
[12:54] <IdleOne> ikonia: they have poor attitude in the irc channel and rtfm is a common type of answer
[12:54] <persia> That said, I always have to wonder why these folks don't try to be flavours.
[12:55] <elky> persia, nubuntu kind of tried.
[12:55] <ikonia> IdleOne: it's not actually that poor, they make it clear it's a professional security distro for security professionals, if you have to ask how to use "ls" then you shouldn't be using it, they make no excuses for it
[12:55] <ikonia> hence why panarchy got banned from the channel and forum within 5 days :)
[12:55] <IdleOne> ikonia: point taken
[12:56] <persia> Several have tried.  Some have succeeded.  ichthux, sabily, lubuntu, and liquid are the 4 I know that seem to be currently on-track.
[12:56] <elky> ikonia, it took them 5 days because... they were not paying attention?
[12:57] <ikonia> IdleOne: it may be harsh to new users, but they do make it clear well up front this is not a learning distro, it's a professional tool, for professionals
[12:57] <ikonia> elky: they gave him a chance
[12:57] <elky> IdleOne, not everyone has a duty to worship the ground newbies walk on like we kind of do.
[12:58] <IdleOne> few days back we had a backtrack user in #ubuntu, clearly a newbie to linux and we helped him find his way to backtrack channel. I felt really bad for the person because I knew he was going to get eaten alive :/
[12:59] <IdleOne> hopefully they didn't and suggested he use Ubuntu to learn
[12:59] <gnomefreak> if it is built off Ubuntu it should be simular to fix/whatever...
[12:59] <elky> gnomefreak, sure, but we have to draw a line somewhere
[13:00] <gnomefreak> elky: true
[13:00] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: yeah but like elky said they don't have to support noobs and we don't have to support them
[13:00] <elky> we can't draw the line at "people who need to be told fifteen times how to ls", so we have to draw a line at "people who use mutated ubuntus"
[13:00] <gnomefreak> that is true but something like that leaves noobs out of luck
[13:01] <elky> The closest thing I can suggest is the user's nearest LUG channel, or, i hate to say it, ##linux
[13:01] <IdleOne> there should be a "What distro should you use test"
[13:01] <persia> Nah.  It would always have the same answer.
[13:01] <persia> And then someone would claim it was rigged.
[13:01] <IdleOne> and based of some skill questions suggest the top three distros
[13:02] <elky> IdleOne, then you get the dunning-kruger effect kick in though.
[13:02] <IdleOne> dunning-kruger?
[13:02] <elky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
[13:02] <Pici> I probably shouldn't say this in a logged channel, but if you don't mention that you're using strange-ubuntu-variant then we probably won't know, unless something seems really weird.
[13:02] <IdleOne> Pici: that is true
[13:02] <ikonia> gnomefreak: why would a "noob" need a professional security tool ?
[13:02] <ikonia> gnomefreak: in that situation they should be using ubuntu to learn where support is aimed at them
[13:03] <Pici> That said, I had *another* discussion with that fellow about YMFLOS yesterday.  Ended up having to kick him from #ubuntu
[13:03] <ikonia> Pici: tons of little tell tale signs though
[13:03] <Pici> I noted it on the bt
[13:04] <elky> There needs to be a generic support channel full of people who don't care what you use. The problem is finding that channel.
[13:04] <IdleOne> Pici: xplinux kept getting shunted back and forth from #ubuntu to ##linux :/
[13:04] <gnomefreak> ikonia: true but people listen to thier friends and they dont have a clue
[13:04] <Pici> elky: I thought that was ##linux
[13:04] <ikonia> gnomefreak: then we give them a clue
[13:04] <gnomefreak> :)
[13:04] <elky> Pici, sure, but ##linux also has a heap of assholes in there too
[13:05] <Pici> elky: yep
[13:05] <IdleOne> +1
[13:05] <IdleOne> reason why I don't idle in there
[13:05] <elky> and it's that portion of the channel that a good generic support channel would lack
[13:05] <elky> as with a lot of things quality, it's what you leave out that makes it.
[13:06] <elky> so hence, ##linux *is* the best we've got for the catchall.
[13:06] <IdleOne> elky: Dunning-kruger effect I do not suffer from it as I am perfect :)
[13:06] <gnomefreak> the few times i have been in ##linux thier were not very helpful to users but i was only in there for a friend
[13:06] <elky> It's just really not the best it could be.
[14:31]  * Pici watches reading comprehension dwindle
[14:31] <ikonia> hmmmm
[14:33] <ikonia> ok - wise_crypt is getting annoying
[14:39] <Pici> Sometimes I think that people just completely ignore what I'm saying.
[14:40] <ikonia> they do
[14:40] <ikonia> ( I could have said "what" then )
[14:41] <persia> ikonia: ECONTEXT?
[14:52] <Pici> !nickspam > Guest10172
[14:59] <niko> ph8 seems to have client issue
[15:04] <niko> in #ubuntu at least
[15:05] <h00k> niko: I was just going to bring that up, yeah.
[15:06] <niko> perhaps a forward to ##fix_your_connection ?
[15:06] <Pici> You can forward them to ##fix_your_connection
[15:06] <Pici> And send them a pm saying that you've done that and to join -ops when their connection issues are resolved.
[15:07] <h00k> and how wouldI go about doing this?
[15:07] <marienz> he's pretty hard to pm because he's flooding off almost immediately after connecting.
[15:07] <marienz> a memo is easier.
[15:07] <Tm_T> fax
[15:07] <niko> h00k: /mode +b *!*@ip$##fix_your_connection
[15:07]  * h00k writes a letter
[15:07] <h00k> alrighty
[15:08] <marienz> and for the memo see /msg memoserv help send
[15:08] <niko> and he seems to have an account, so /msg memoserv help send
[15:08] <Tm_T> also you can use a memoserv
[15:08]  * Tm_T hides
[15:11] <h00k> and done!
[15:11] <h00k> cool.
[15:11] <Pici> yay
[15:11]  * Pici gives h00k a cookie
[15:20] <h00k> oh really
[15:51] <Pici> Its amazing how many people think that they don't need to install an OS inside of vbox for it to work.
[15:52] <topyli> Pici, it might be the same group of people who complain about wine not working when they run it
[15:53] <Tm_T> ...are they the same group that announce to make whole OS written in python?
[15:53]  * persia mumbles about ways to make virtualisation work without an OS being available and complicated
[16:11] <Daviey> persia: You are thining visualisation rather than  virtualisation
[17:02] <ph8> hi h00k, around?
[17:03] <Pici> ph8: If this is regarding your connection issues, I can remove that forward for you.
[17:04] <ph8> please do, i don't suppose you know what happened? my bouncer is pretty stable usually
[17:04] <Pici> You were joining then excess flooding.
[17:05] <Pici> All set, you can join #ubuntu
[17:05] <ph8> ah i've seen that before, must be in the way it issues channel joins
[17:05] <ph8> i'll see if i can upgrade my version
[17:05] <ph8> thanks Pici, there were a few others :o
[17:05] <ph8> ##javascript, #html, #linuxhelp
[17:05] <ph8> and #ubuntu+1
[17:06] <Pici> ph8: I took care of #ubuntu+1 just now, you'll have to contact the operators of those other channels though.
[17:06] <Pici> /msg chanserv access #channel list    should give them to you, look for people who have +o
[17:07] <ph8> cheers Pici
[17:07] <Pici> :)
[17:42] <h00k> Pici: thanks
[17:42] <Pici> h00k: nop
[18:15] <genii> Troll alert, "vista" in #u
[18:15] <genii> nvm, they parted
[18:16]  * genii returns to working away from the computer
[18:29] <erUSUL> can someone just silently remove vista from #ubuntu ?
[18:29] <erUSUL> anyone*
[18:30]  * erUSUL does not want to call ops. vista can take that as victory
[18:30] <erUSUL> :)
[18:30] <ikonia> lets see
[19:03] <Tm_T> hi all
[19:03] <h00k> greetings.
[20:33] <genii> Hm. It occurs to me that the description in !wine is not actually quite right. Since it also runs on things like MacOS which is not GNU/Linux
[20:34] <Tm_T> or Ubuntu, which is not GNU
[20:34]  * Tm_T hides
[20:34] <genii> Yup
[20:37] <tsimpson> wine should work on anything POSIX
[20:38] <Pici> cygwin is partially posix compliant...
[20:38] <Tm_T> so also þe olde NT4 ?
[20:39] <tsimpson> so, theoretically, you probably could run wine in windows with cygwin...
[20:39] <jpds> ...
[20:40]  * Pici thinks about installing cygwin in wine
[20:40] <jpds> Can someone tell ubottu to stop stalking me?
[20:40] <knome> jpds, she has a crush on you.
[20:41] <maco> jpds: thats what you get for leading her on with all those flowers and chocolates!
[20:41] <maco> and botsnacks :P
[20:41] <jpds>  /ignore ubottu PRIVMSG
[20:42] <knome> jpds, you can't do that for a fine lady
[20:54] <Tm_T> ...
[20:55] <genii> Poor bot. Spurned by some and forwarded by others
[20:57] <jpds> AlcoGirl, hmm.
[21:03] <genii> Yes, I thought her part message was somewhat iffy
[21:20] <h00k> can someone tell genii to stop drinking all of the coffee? we're having an emergency outage here, and it's really difficult to do anything without. Gimme my lifeblood back. kthx.
[21:20] <Tm_T> hi llua
[21:20] <llua> hi
[21:24] <llua> was redirected here from ubuntu-offtopic
[21:46] <genii> llua: The parting message you had set is inappropriate.
[23:18] <jpds> Hmm.
[23:21]  * nhandler is talking to brah-
[23:23] <funkyHat> Not sure about the video that cassull just linked in -offtopic :/
[23:24] <funkyHat> Is a spoof anti-child porn video. The content is clean but the subject is a bit too touchy imo :/
[23:25] <Tm_T> llua: is there something we can help you with?
[23:46] <nhandler> A small suggestion, if you set a ban forward to ##fix_your_connection, please join that channel so you can remove the ban. These issues usually do not last long, and it would help us avoid having those enteries just sticking around on ban lists