[03:07] <Now_its_Broken> Hi,  can anyone here point to some instructions on getting openvswitch working with netplan?
[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:13] <ahasenack> rostam: try the dig tool, dig @<ip-of-dns-server> <name-you-want-to-resolv>
[11:13] <ahasenack> rostam: start with using the ip from /etc/resolv.conf
[11:14] <ahasenack> if that's <IP_ADDRESS> or some such, move on to your real dns server, then try <IP_ADDRESS> (google's), etc
[11:53] <ahasenack> rbasak: hi, I'm getting this from g-u merge start on samba:
[11:53] <ahasenack> $ git ubuntu merge start pkg/ubuntu/devel
[11:53] <ahasenack> 01/22/2018 09:53:01 - ERROR:pkg/ubuntu/devel version (2:4.7.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1) is after debian/sid version (2:4.7.1+dfsg-1). Are you sure you want to merge? (Pass -f to force the merge).
[11:53] <ahasenack> rbasak: debian/sid is at 4.7.4, though
[11:53] <ahasenack> seems like the debian branch(es?) are behind in the importer?
[12:01] <rbasak> AFAICT, sid is at 2:4.7.3+dfsg-1 and bionic-devel is at 2:4.7.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1
[12:01] <rbasak> Do you see something different?
[12:01] <rbasak> I was looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~usd-import-team/ubuntu/+source/samba/+git/samba
[12:21] <ahasenack> rbasak: rmadison, and the merges page
[12:21] <ahasenack> both show sid at 4.7.4-+dfsg-1
[12:29] <ahasenack> rbasak: sorry, the vpn dropped, this was the last I saw:
 both show sid at 4.7.4-+dfsg-1
[12:29] <ahasenack> * Disconnected ()
[13:30] <rbasak> ahasenack: ah. OK. So the problem is that the importer is straightforwardly out of date rather than inconsistently out of date in different branches I think?
[13:30] <rbasak> I need to sort out my VPN connection. That's blocking me from looking right now :-/
[13:31] <ahasenack> rbasak: I don't know, but "out of date" sounds right
[13:50] <eoli3n> Hi
[13:50] <eoli3n> i'm trying to preseed (with ubuntu kickstart + some preseed lines) a ubuntu install on a dualboot
[13:50] <eoli3n> each kickstart make Win7 not bootable
[13:50] <eoli3n> i need to repair Win7 with CDROM
[13:50] <eoli3n> fact is that i need to automate 800 nodes deploy
[13:51] <eoli3n> here is the kickstart file -> https://ptpb.pw/F5ts
[13:51] <eoli3n> here's some checksums on what changed at each steps -> https://ptpb.pw/0Y6b.png
[13:51] <eoli3n> and here the "view details" log from win7 repair tool -> https://ptpb.pw/fxvz
[13:51] <eoli3n> the fact is that PARTUUID seems changing after kickstart
[13:51] <eoli3n> i think its due to partman
[13:51] <eoli3n> and i'm searching for a way to keep same sda1 PARTUUID
[13:51] <eoli3n> to not to have to repair WIN7 after kickstarting
[13:51] <eoli3n> the strange thing is that kickstarting edit only MBR's bootloarder part -> and repairing with WIN7 CDROM changes only C:\Boot\BCD
[13:51] <eoli3n> and every loop i do a kickstart deploy gives the same
[13:51] <eoli3n> while true; do ; kickstart change bootloarder ; WIN7 boot broken ; repairing with CDROM, it edits date inside sda1 ; done
[13:51] <eoli3n> (sorry for that huge paste)
[13:54] <Ussat> dont dual boot
[13:58] <eoli3n> are you serious ?
[13:58] <Ussat> very
[13:58] <eoli3n> cool
[13:58] <eoli3n> any serious help here ?
[13:59] <Ussat> There is, in my opinion, almost no reason to dual boot anymore with modern hypervisors
[13:59] <eoli3n> you doesn't have my needs
[13:59] <eoli3n> and i'm not asking for that help
[13:59] <eoli3n> that's cool from you
[13:59] <eoli3n> but not my ask
[14:09] <mason> eoli3n: Wait, you're taking a checksum of sda1 there?
[14:09] <mason> eoli3n: I'm assuming sda1 is your ESP, yes?
[14:10] <mason> I'm not completely understanding here, but I'd be more inclined to think you're seeing a problem with your efibootmgr entries.
[14:10] <eoli3n> mason: i'm using legacy not uefi bios
[14:10] <eoli3n> i took some checksum to see what kickstart change
[14:10] <eoli3n> sda1 is windows part
[14:11] <mason> eoli3n: Ah... Nowadays I wouldn't consider dual-booting without UEFI, but I'm not sure Windows 7 can deal with UEFI. Can it?
[14:11] <eoli3n> mason: i use old nodes
[14:11] <eoli3n> i don't know, problem is that i will node renew my 800 nodes now :)
[14:11] <eoli3n> i will not
[14:11] <eoli3n> *
[14:11] <mason> right
[14:12] <eoli3n> my problem needs a bit reflexion to understand what i do
[14:12] <eoli3n> sorry to bot be able to make it easy undestandable
[14:12] <mason> just noted that you've included multiple pastes - looking
[14:12] <eoli3n> thx, ask if any question
[14:12] <eoli3n> the important paste is the table
[14:12] <eoli3n> a bit hard to understand
[14:13] <eoli3n> i started at line1 with a dualboot working
[14:13] <eoli3n> then i reinstall with kickstart at line 2
[14:13] <eoli3n> my kickstart installation needs to keep win7 working
[14:13] <eoli3n> after kickstart, i'm not able to boot win7 without win7 CDROM repair tool
[14:13] <mason> #Clear the Master Boot Record
[14:13] <mason> zerombr yes
[14:13] <mason> Guessing that's why.
[14:13] <eoli3n> nomp
[14:13] <eoli3n> nop
[14:14] <eoli3n> asked to dev of ubuntu kickstart
[14:14] <eoli3n> it does nothing
[14:14] <rbasak> ahasenack: I import samba by hand and it worked fine.
[14:14] <rbasak> Not sure what happened in the past.
[14:14] <rbasak> ahasenack: so it should be good for you now.
[14:15] <rbasak> Sorry it didn't work before. It could have been due to a gap when the importer was running.
[14:15] <rbasak> We haven't got the full "catch up everything" thing running yet.
[14:15] <rbasak> nacc: ^
[14:15] <eoli3n> mason: he pasted me that -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26409694/
[14:18] <mason> eoli3n: Hm, well. Hopefully someone who's done this will come around with ideas, or there's always the mailing list. I don't run Windows anywhere so I'm not entirely clear on what it wants and what's changed out from under it.
[14:19] <TJ-> eoli3n: I only just came in, but it sounds to me like GRUB needs to create a menu entry for the Windows install. If you want Windows to remain the primary boot-strap bootloader then you have to prevent GRUB from writing it's bootstrap code
[14:21] <eoli3n> TJ-: i don't want to prevent it
[14:21] <eoli3n> chainloader +1 is working
[14:21] <eoli3n> problem is that win7, while booting, ask for repairing
[14:21] <eoli3n> TJ-: https://ptpb.pw/0Y6b.png
[14:22] <eoli3n> please check and tell me if its clear
[14:22] <eoli3n> when installing with kickstart, nothing changed on the disk exept ubuntu install on sda2 and bootloader 0>446 on sda
[14:22] <eoli3n> the strange part is
[14:22] <eoli3n> when i repair win7
[14:22] <eoli3n> it repair by changing BCD on win7 install
[14:23] <eoli3n> i don't know more what it does -> here's the log file -> https://ptpb.pw/fxvz
[14:23] <eoli3n> grub is working
[14:24] <TJ-> eoli3n: is the partitioning using only MBR ?
[14:24] <eoli3n>  what do you mean ? "using only MBR" ?
[14:25] <TJ-> eoli3n: it's possible to have GPT hybrid that also has a valid MBR
[14:25] <eoli3n> i'm using mbr not gpt
[14:25] <eoli3n> https://ptpb.pw/F5ts
[14:25] <eoli3n> https://ptpb.pw/F5ts
[14:25] <TJ-> OK, and which sector does sda1 start at?
[14:25] <eoli3n> oups sorry for double
[14:25] <eoli3n> 2018
[14:25] <eoli3n> ahhh
[14:25] <eoli3n> 2048
[14:26] <eoli3n> please look at the paste
[14:26] <eoli3n> at PRE part
[14:26] <eoli3n> you will see that i use sfdisk to restore part table
[14:26] <TJ-> eoli3n: OK, so under normal circumstances GRUB will write it's boot-strap into sector 0 and it's core image into sector #1 through 2047
[14:27] <eoli3n> not from 0>446 ?
[14:27] <eoli3n> hm i didn't knew there was more that "boot-strap"
[14:27] <eoli3n> my question is
[14:27] <TJ-> eoli3n: 446-509 is the partition table, 510-511 is the signature
[14:28] <eoli3n> ok
[14:28] <eoli3n> so why
[14:28] <eoli3n> installing grub breaks win7 boot
[14:28] <eoli3n> as win7 bootloard is at start of sda1
[14:28] <eoli3n> bootloader
[14:28] <eoli3n> so at 2028
[14:28] <eoli3n> 2048
[14:30] <TJ-> eoli3n: the process goes PC >BIOS > read sector 0 > execute code from offset 0. This is the bootloader's boot-strap code. In GRUB it then uses BIOS services to read sector #1-2047 into memory and continues executing - that is GRUB's core image, which then finds GRUB's root file-system and accesses that, loads the normal.mod and executes 'normal' command which reads /grub/grub.cfg and processes it
[14:30] <TJ-> (menu, wait for key press, launch OS, etc)
[14:31] <eoli3n> i get it
[14:31] <TJ-> As I recall, Windows boot-strap code in sector 0 looks for the partition that is flagged as Bootable, then reads boot code from that partition, which then reads Windows bootmgr code
[14:31] <eoli3n> the partition sda1 is marked as bootable
[14:31] <eoli3n> with "boot" flag i mean
[14:32] <eoli3n> so installing grub can not break any win7 install right ?
[14:32] <TJ-> eoli3n: right, from your table it looks as if the Win7 repair is writing something into the 'spare' sectors from sector 1 onwards - is that correct?
[14:33] <eoli3n> which are spare sectors
[14:34] <eoli3n> what i can say, is that repair tools write between 2048 and end of partition
[14:34] <eoli3n> i know that it edit BCD file
[14:34] <TJ-> eoli3n: Installing GRUB will break Windows every time 100%, since it has to write it's boot-strap code into sector 0. However, it uses os-prober to locate the Windows OS during "update-grub" and adds a menuentry for Windows
[14:35] <eoli3n> TJ-: i used a previous installation method which install grub with a custom script without breaking win7 part
[14:35] <eoli3n> win7 install i mean
[14:35] <TJ-> eoli3n: it sounds more likely Windows is breaking itself - by 'thinking' it needs a repair when it doesn't simply because sector 0 changed, then during the repair it goes on to change things it doesn't need to change
[14:36] <eoli3n> so how to make it works without repair ? dd backup then restore ?
[14:36] <eoli3n> i need to automate the process
[14:36] <eoli3n> but still, i'm not understanding on how my previous deploying method differs
[14:38] <eoli3n> in my previous installation/deploy method, i uncompressed a huge tar.xz on disk, then install grub in chroot with this script -> https://ptpb.pw/DR9s
[14:38] <eoli3n> that didn't make win7 needs a repair
[14:38] <eoli3n> why ?
[14:39] <eoli3n> my previous installation working method, complete is -> boot debian bootstrap pxe -> sfdisk to restore part table -> detar.xz sda2 (/boot) and sda3 (/) -> chroot -> install grub with the script in chroot -> reboot
[14:39] <eoli3n> win7 still working after that
[14:39] <eoli3n> what differ in kickstart method ?
[14:43] <eoli3n> weird, isn't it ?
[14:45] <TJ-> I'm trying to determine what exactly "grub-installer/with_other_os" is supposed to fo
[14:50] <TJ-> I think that should be set to "true" when you expect another OS to be installed; I don't think that'll affect the issue you are having though
[14:50] <eoli3n> that was my question before all of that on #debian
[14:50] <eoli3n> i tried every options TJ-
[14:51] <eoli3n> with_other_os and only_debian, set to true or false
[14:51] <eoli3n> all false was my last try
[14:51] <eoli3n> just tried to install grub with my custom script
[14:51] <eoli3n> as https://ptpb.pw/n5Av
[14:51] <eoli3n> lets try, i tell you in 20min
[14:51] <eoli3n> grub-installer/skip boolean true
[14:51] <eoli3n> then generate a chroot grub.sh installer
[14:54] <eoli3n> cat not echo -> fixed : https://ptpb.pw/ao3y
[15:08] <TJ-> eoli3n: Are you sure when Win7 'repairs' it's not writing a GPT to the disk? Because in your table for lines (3) and (4) you show PARTUUID - that will only be available for GPT, MBR scheme has nowhere to store a /partition UUID/ (whereas the file-system in the partition can/does have a UUID)
[15:11] <TJ-> eoli3n: GPT uses sectors 1-33 which would explain why in line (3) you have a different checksum for 0>1024
[15:12] <eoli3n> i repair, and recheck
[15:15] <TJ-> use "gdisk" to check before and after
[15:15] <eoli3n> i can't, no xserver
[15:17] <TJ-> gdisk is console
[15:17] <eoli3n> ah
[15:17] <eoli3n> huhu
[15:17] <TJ-> "gdisk -l /dev/sda"
[15:18] <eoli3n> need to redeploy, my custom grub.sh breaks
[15:18] <eoli3n> tell you in some minutes
[15:20] <eoli3n> hmm that could be the trick
[15:20] <eoli3n> dump and restore with sgisk
[15:49] <eoli3n> TJ-: before -> http://ix.io/EvA, after -> http://ix.io/EvC
[15:50] <eoli3n> GUID change each time i run gdisk
[15:50] <eoli3n> http://ix.io/EvD
[15:50] <eoli3n> http://ix.io/EvE
[15:51] <TJ-> OK, so not GPT then. So why is Win7 changing something in sector 1+? Does it also hide recovery info there?
[15:51] <eoli3n> hide recovery info ?
[15:51] <eoli3n> where ?
[15:51] <eoli3n> i don't know why, i think, maybe it changes only BCD boot file
[15:51] <eoli3n> in log of repair tool, it just says that it edit the entry in BCD
[15:52] <eoli3n> suppress previous one then replacing by a new matching one
[15:52] <eoli3n> as i my previous paste
[15:52] <eoli3n> https://ptpb.pw/fxvz
[15:52] <eoli3n> https://ptpb.pw/0Y6b.png
[15:53] <eoli3n> 3 collumns in orange are same
[15:53] <TJ-> eoli3n: oh! I misread your table "0>1024" as being the first 4 sectors of the disk, but that's actually the 1st partition
[15:53] <eoli3n> i mean first one is 2048 > (1024*50)
[15:53] <eoli3n> yep
[15:53] <TJ-> eoli3n: you should take a checksum of sectors 1-2047
[15:53] <eoli3n> hm but how to cut it
[15:53] <mason> eoli3n: This is where UEFI is much more orderly. There aren't random things slipping their tentacles around different undocumented bits of disk.
[15:54] <eoli3n> 0>446, 446>510, 512> 2047 ?
[15:54] <TJ-> as in "dd if=/dev/sda skip=1 count=2047 | md5sum"
[15:55] <eoli3n> ok but it will tell nothing
[15:55] <eoli3n> https://ptpb.pw/0Y6b.png
[15:55] <eoli3n> i already test lower part
[15:55] <eoli3n> 0>446 , 446>510
[15:55] <eoli3n> 1>2047 will have part table and bootloader into it no ?
[15:56] <eoli3n> the range is too high ? you know what i mean ?
[15:56] <eoli3n> sadly, i have to go :( , i really want to find out that problem, i will try to diff md5sum 512>2047 too tommorow
[15:57] <TJ-> eoli3n: no, 1-2047 are 'spare' sectors which GRUB puts its core image in
[15:57] <eoli3n> ?
[15:57] <eoli3n> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record
[15:57] <eoli3n> i don't get what you mean
[15:57] <eoli3n> sorry
[15:58] <eoli3n> wikipedia says that 0>446 is part table
[15:58] <eoli3n> so how 1>2047 could be grub core image
[15:58] <eoli3n> 1 is a byte, yes ?
[15:58] <eoli3n> byte "1" to byte "2047"
[15:58] <eoli3n> ?
[15:59] <TJ-> No, it's sectors of 512 bytes
[15:59] <TJ-> dd uses 512 byte blocks by default
[16:00] <eoli3n> ohhhhh
[16:01] <eoli3n> i will take a look tomorow morning at 8h (GMT+1)
[16:01] <eoli3n> thx a lot for your help
[18:10] <DammitJim> is there an ubuntu repo for tomcat 8.5?
[18:11] <sarnold> DammitJim: 8.5 appears to be in artful and forthcoming bionic
[18:12] <DammitJim> I guess I've got to learn what bionic and artful is
[18:13] <DammitJim> I have ubuntu 16.04 LTS servers with tomcat 8 and apparently Apache Tomcat is making tomcat 8 EOL in September
[18:13] <nacc> DammitJim: 18.04 (unreleased) and 17.10, respectively
[18:13] <DammitJim> trying to start getting off that version
[18:14] <DammitJim> gosh, it looks like I'm going to have to just uninstall tomcat8
[18:14] <sarnold> oh
[18:14] <DammitJim> and download the apache=tomcat-8.5.zip
[18:14] <DammitJim> and work it from that angle
[18:14] <sarnold> so you don't actually have an application that requires 8.5?
[18:14] <DammitJim> no repos
[18:15] <DammitJim> I do not
[18:15] <DammitJim> we are purely doing it because it's EOL
[18:15] <sarnold> just upgrade to 18.04 LTS when you're comfortable with the change
[18:15] <sarnold> 18.04 will be released before september.
[18:15] <DammitJim> yeah, I think that'll be an option in my proposal
[18:22] <sdeziel> DammitJim: also, Tomcat 8 being in main, it should be supported for the full lifetime of 16.04 even if upstream reaches its EOL
[18:22] <nacc> (supported by canonical/ubuntu)
[18:22] <nacc> *not* by upstream, to be clear :)
[18:23] <sdeziel> yeah, main is a canonical thing :)
[18:30] <DammitJim> thanks for clarifying that, sdeziel
[18:30] <DammitJim> so, if there was a problem with tomcat 8, Canonical would fix it and release an update?
[18:31] <nacc> DammitJim: yeah
[18:31] <nacc> generally speaking, it does depend on 'the problem', as we still need to follow SRU rules
[18:31] <nacc> but preusming you mean CVEs or so, then yes
[18:31] <DammitJim> awesome
[18:32] <DammitJim> I need to find the documentation that explains that, because that is AMAZING
[18:32] <nacc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories#Main
[18:32] <nacc> iirc
[18:49] <DammitJim> thanks
[19:04] <DammitJim> nacc, I'm reading the Main section
[19:04] <DammitJim> that's where Tomcat would fall under, right?
[19:04] <nacc> DammitJim: correct
[19:05] <sarnold> you can use 'apt-cache policy tomcat8' to see
[19:06] <sarnold> not all binary packages built from a source package are in main, so it doesn't hurt to check all the binary packages you care about
[19:06] <nacc> sarnold: good point
[19:07] <DammitJim> oh gosh
[19:07] <DammitJim> the devil is in the details, but thanks!
[19:07] <DammitJim> so, it seems that if I want to use tomcat 8.5, I'll have to upgrade to Ubuntu 18.04?
[19:08] <nacc> DammitJim: i think everying is in main except libtomcat8-embed-java nad tomcat8-user
[19:09] <nacc> DammitJim: once released, yes, or 17.10 in the meanwhile
[19:45] <Ussat> sigh
[21:34] <Olanzapin> &j ssacc.net
[21:54] <keithzg> So here's something that's been baffling me, and it's arguably appropriate since the router in question runs Ubuntu ;)
[21:55] <keithzg> A bunch of random sites seem to have started blocking HTTP traffic from my office, with what appear to be Apache "Access Denied" messages. This extends to curl/wget from the router itself . . . but somehow *not* to traffic through the OpenVPN instance?
[21:56] <TJ-> keithzg: is your public IP on a blacklist?
[22:00] <keithzg> TJ-: That was my first thought, but if it is, I can't seem to find any publically-accessible listing thereof
[22:01] <TJ-> keithzg: what's the public ip address/mask ?
[22:02] <keithzg> TJ-: It's <IP_ADDRESS>, aka gmcl.com
[22:03] <keithzg> (My current working theory remains that it's some sort of private corporate blacklist; that doesn't explain why VPN'd traffic doesn't get block but I can sortof hand wave that away with "routing is complicated, I'm probably not understanding something")
[22:04] <TJ-> keithzg: if you are using openvpn to tunnel out to another host that then routes, it's IP address will be different
[22:05] <keithzg> TJ-: The router is also the VPN server, though, so shouldn't sites see that as the IP address of the traffic?
[22:06] <TJ-> keithzg: you mean you connect from LAN clients using openvpn to your gateway router?
[22:07] <TJ-> keithzg: checked the IP, not blocked anywhere
[22:07] <keithzg> TJ-: Specifically I mean that the router for the office LAN is also the VPN server that external clients use to get into our LAN remotely.
[22:08] <TJ-> keithzg: Oh, I thought you meant you link your gateway to another location and tunnel /out/ through it
[22:09] <TJ-> keithzg: then I can only thing your gateway is messing with the traffic, are you sure your network doesn't have a transparent proxy?
[22:09] <TJ-> keithzg: does it affect HTTPS connections or only HTTP?
[22:10] <TJ-> keithzg: i'd suspect the Apache message you see is from your own network
[22:11] <keithzg> TJ-: Funny story about that, due to this I've noticed that https://thebay.com doesn't have a valid cert ;) but yeah it appears to affect both HTTPS and HTTP traffic, for instance https://tools.usps.com has a valid HTTPS connection but tells me "You don't have permission to access "http://tools.usps.com/" on this server"
[22:12] <TJ-> keithzg: I think you've got an internal redirection issue in the gateway. Possibly the rules that were set for incoming openvpn  tunnel traffic are breaking regular forwarded traffic
[22:13] <TJ-> keithzg: Ask yourself: 1) when did this start? 2) What did I change just before I noticed the issue?
[22:13] <keithzg> TJ-: That's the problem, other than the standard security patches I haven't touched anything on the router in ages now.
[22:14] <TJ-> keithzg: it's an Ubuntu server actiing as gateway?
[22:14] <keithzg> TJ-: Yup.
[22:14] <TJ-> keithzg: check /var/log/syslog and /var/log/kern.log for clues
[22:15] <TJ-> keithzg: also, if it has apache2 web-server installed, check it's logs in /var/log/apache2/ in case it indicates it's responsible for the messages
[22:18] <keithzg> TJ-: No messages in kern.log for several days now, I can't see anything that seems remotely relevant in either syslog or the apache logs, and nothing seems to shwo up if I tail them while trying to access a site :(
[22:19] <TJ-> keithzg: has it run out of space? "df -h"
[22:19] <TJ-> also try "df -ih" (for inodes)
[22:20] <sarnold> pity there's no way to get both in one invocation :(
[22:20] <keithzg> TJ-: Naw, the 256GB M.2 SSD that the router runs is only at 4% space usage (the only higher is /run at 8%, and inode usage for everything is being rounded to 1%
[22:22] <TJ-> keithzg: good. Are you comfortable sharing the netfilters rules? ("pastebinit <( sudo iptables-save )"
[22:29] <keithzg> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26440410/
[22:29] <tomreyn> if you request httpS://tools.usps.com amdd get to see an error stating that you may not access HTTP://tools.usps.com/ (so non-encrypted) then this is a pretty obvious hint that your TLS connection was stripped towards the receiving end.
[22:29] <tomreyn> s/amdd/and/
[22:29] <TJ-> tomreyn: that's why I suspect a local proxy
[22:29] <tomreyn> right
[22:29] <TJ-> keithzg: are the local clients using Ubuntu/Linux ?
[22:29] <keithzg> Yeah I wonder . . . I'm going to try turning off the Apache server (which is proxying to a VM running the *actual* company website)
[22:30] <keithzg> TJ-: Not all of them, the first person who noticed this and has continued to notice things is on Windows 8.1, and I randomly tried a macOS VM at one point. I myself have been mostly testing this from Kubuntu.
[22:31] <keithzg> Well, shutting down the Apache server on the router didn't change anything.
[22:31] <TJ-> keithzg: I'm also surprised, if that is a gateway router, that the INPUT chain doesn't have a DROP policy and then specific rules for allowing VPN/SSH traffic in
[22:32] <TJ-> keithzg: can you do one of those 'wget' ops that gets denied and show us the output in a pastebin?
[22:32] <TJ-> keithzg: from the gateway itself
[22:33] <TJ-> keithzg: also, "pastebinit <( ip -4 -6 route show )"
[22:34] <keithzg> TJ-: I have SSH blocked with `-A INPUT -i external0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable` and that I thought worked fine for blocking SSH traffic (I actually run a port knocker, and that's how rules for allowing SSH in get added)
[22:38] <sdeziel> "ip -4 -6 ro" only returns v6 routes here (on Xenial)
[22:38] <TJ-> keithzg: right, but if there are other services on the gateway they may be exposed.
[22:38] <TJ-> sdeziel: it returns both here on 16.04
[22:38] <keithzg> TJ-: Ah, fair enough.
[22:38] <TJ-> sdeziel: oh, no, you're correct! Sorry, I misread!
[22:38] <keithzg> Anyways the denied requests are just single-line HTTP responses, ex.
Request Rejected</title></head><body>The requested URL was rejected. Please consult with your administrator.<br><br>Your support ID is:<PHONE_NUMBER>9229415207</body></html>
[22:38] <sdeziel> TJ-: too bad, I would have like it to work ;)
[22:38] <TJ-> keithzg: so, "pastebinit <( ip route show; ip -6 route show )"
[22:38] <TJ-> sdeziel: yeah, it annoys me that without switches it defaults to IPv4
[22:38] <keithzg> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26440446/
[22:38] <keithzg> Oh how I wish we had IPv6
[22:38] <TJ-> keithzg: I wanted to see the entire wget messages. Do "pastebinit <( wget http:///whatever 2>&1 )"
[22:38] <keithzg> TJ-: Oh, fair enough, I just saw that it was going "200 OK" and nothing else other than the actual *contents* of index.html indicates any problem.  But here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26440457/
[22:39] <keithzg> Oh oops, never mind that
[22:39] <keithzg> Although maybe that's a clue to some degree, many initial URLs are fine, but then what they're actually redirecting to isn't OK.
[22:40] <keithzg> Actual wget output for one of these 403s: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26440460/
[22:40] <sdeziel> "wget -SO - http:///whatever 2>&1 )"
[22:40] <tomreyn> i'd rather suggest to use curl --trace /tmp/trace http(s)://...
[22:42] <TJ-> keithzg: thebay.com is broken for me too, and TLS connections return SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN
[22:42] <TJ-> keithzg: any other domains do this to you?
[22:42] <sdeziel> <IP_ADDRESS> belong to Shaw Communications
[22:42] <sdeziel> keithzg: would that be your ISP ^
[22:42] <tomreyn> tools.usps.com seemed like a better test candidate
[22:43] <TJ-> For that I get "20 redirections exceeded."
[22:43] <sdeziel> and when resolving www.thebay.com, I get an akamai IP so it looks like an ISP getting in the way
[22:44] <keithzg> tomreyn: heh yup, that would be precisely what I was going to try as an alt. Here in fact is the curl trace output for that: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26440477/
[22:44] <tomreyn> keithzg: that's the output of which command?
[22:45] <keithzg> sdeziel: Interesting, I saw Akamai when trying to figure things out before too with https://www.us-cert.gov/ (the third website giving this error)
[22:45] <TJ-> sdeziel: that explains it then, they've left thebay.com in the DNS zone file but it should be front-ended by cloudfront. www.thebay.com is correct with a CNAME
[22:45] <keithzg> tomreyn: `curl --trace tracefile https://tools.usps.com`
[22:45] <TJ-> sorry, akamai, not cloudfront
[22:46] <sdeziel> keithzg: from that paste, it seems the 403 was emitted by Akamai themselves
[22:46] <sdeziel> Server: AkamaiGH
[22:46] <sdeziel> maybe Akamai thinks your IP has a bad reputation?
[22:46] <TJ-> tools.usps.com also on akamai - do Akamai have a problem?
[22:47] <TJ-> sdeziel: I did an RBL check on the IP addres over about 30 RBLs and it's clean
[22:47] <sarnold> akamai may have their own database
[22:47] <tomreyn> akamai don't like you.
[22:48] <keithzg> That defintiely aligns with the vague intimations of https://community.akamai.com/community/cloud-security/blog/2016/04/07/why-is-akamai-blocking-me
[22:50] <keithzg> (one of the first things I found when initially noticing this error and when nmap told me that the us-cert site was hosted by Akamai)
[22:50] <TJ-> this is 1 of the big downsides to centralised proxies
[22:50] <keithzg> Yeahhh, and unfortunately that help page gives the impression that there's no way to contact Akamai and ask them precisely what's going on :(
[22:51] <TJ-> keithzg: has anything on your network been doing automated connections, say to access the USPS site for example?
[22:51] <TJ-> someone developing a tool to query shipping status maybe?
[22:53] <keithzg> TJ-: Nothing intentional, no; the only software development anyone other than ol' sysadmin me does is oldskool Win32 work for the software we sell (that in turn tends to run on theoretically airgapped networks, so we don't even have any sort of auto-updater or such for our tools).
[22:55] <TJ-> keithzg: how about via the VPN - you said connections via the VPN were OK - which I can only see happening if the VPN uses a different IP address for it's exit interface from your /30
[22:56] <sdeziel> or maybe the VPN is using split tunneling ?
[22:56] <TJ-> keithzg: show us "pastebinit <( ip addr show )"
[22:57] <keithzg> TJ-: Yeah, that one baffles me as well. Here it is: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26440512/
[22:58] <TJ-> keithzg: so, the external clients /are not/ using the VPN for general internet access, which explains htat
[22:58] <sdeziel> keithzg: on a VPN client that works, could you share "pastebinit <( ip ro)"
[22:59] <TJ-> sdeziel: I hate that "split tunnel" name, it's deceptive, there's no split in the tunnel, it's just standard routing!
[22:59] <sdeziel> TJ-: I /think/ it could be it but I haven't seen any evidence so far
[22:59] <keithzg> sdeziel: Well drat, I didn't bring my laptop to work today! I wonder if Android can manage that.
[23:01] <TJ-> sdeziel: I'm sure it is, the client will use their standard default route (and hence connect successfully to thebay.com) but will route <IP_ADDRESS>./8 (or similar) via the openvpn tunnel
[23:01] <sdeziel> keithzg: you could do something server side. "sudo iptables -A FORWARD -i tun0 -o external0"
[23:02] <TJ-> keithzg: 1 thing you could try us assign another IP address to external0 and use it as the source address for a test, see if it is blocked too, or just your current single IP address
[23:02] <sdeziel> keithzg: then with the VPN client, access a site then run this on the server side: "pastebinit <(sudo iptables -nvL FORWARD)"
[23:02] <TJ-> my typing is going downhill, my fingers have a mind of their own!
[23:02] <sdeziel> TJ-: if Akamai blocks based on IP reputation, they maybe do that using wider CIDRs than /32
[23:03] <TJ-> sdeziel: right, but it's worth testing, because if it's only a /32 there is a workaround
[23:03] <keithzg> sdeziel: Seems the command works fine from a shell on my Android phone, I think? https://paste.kde.org/pw2t6zene
[23:04] <sdeziel> keithzg: hmm, no default route?
[23:04] <tomreyn> <IP_ADDRESS> belongs to a /13 (!) - not ideal if your hopes are that you'll be emitting less bad traffic than the average of shaw communication (cable?) users. for business use, a much smaller address range would be recommendable.
[23:04] <sdeziel> keithzg: "ip ro g <IP_ADDRESS>" ?
[23:04] <TJ-> which is "ip route get <IP_ADDRESS>"
[23:05] <sdeziel> yeah, sorry, I'm very lazy
[23:05] <TJ-> :D trying to educate as well as diagnose :p
[23:05] <sdeziel> and it's better to have the receiving end understanding a command before running it :)
[23:06] <keithzg> sdeziel: <IP_ADDRESS> via <IP_ADDRESS> dev rmnet_data0  src <IP_ADDRESS> uid 10228
[23:06] <TJ-> I keep telling that to my Huskies!
[23:06] <sdeziel> lol
[23:06] <keithzg> (I haven't tried `sudo iptables -A FORWARD -i tun0 -o external0` yet, for the record)
[23:06] <sdeziel> keithzg: I think that's your answer
[23:07] <sdeziel> keithzg: you are using split tunnelling (or routing just the remote LAN IP space over your VPN/tun0)
[23:07] <keithzg> Aha, fair enough (can't remember if that was intentional on my part when I ported over to the new server, or maybe that
[23:07] <keithzg> 's an artifact of the convoluted setup of my predecessor)
[23:07] <TJ-> keithzg: it makes sense, no point in routing internet bound traffic via the tunnel
[23:08] <sdeziel> keithzg: at least that's what I believe is going on. I'm not very familiar with the per UID routing stuff done on Android
[23:08] <keithzg> TJ-: Yeah, it's definitely what I'd have chosen to set up if I actually did so deliberately ;)
[23:08] <TJ-> keithzg: do you want to test with your 'spare' currently unused IP address?
[23:08]  * sdeziel wonders if per UID routing landed upstream
[23:10] <keithzg> TJ-: That does sound like a plan---although I honestly don't know what it is, heh (I knew we had a second static address but I haven't bothered to look it up)
[23:11] <TJ-> keithzg: your <IP_ADDRESS>/30 gives you 2 IP addresses: .245 and .246 (which you use) so we can try adding .245 and using it
[23:11] <TJ-> keithzg: "sudo ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/30 dev external0"
[23:12] <sdeziel> wget --bind-address=<IP_ADDRESS> -SO - https://tools.usps.com/
[23:13] <TJ-> keithzg: then try "wget --bind-address=<IP_ADDRESS> -S -O - http://www.thebay.com"
[23:13] <TJ-> Grrrr, stealing my typing :D
[23:14] <sdeziel> I don't trust your self-aware fingers either ;)
[23:14] <TJ-> LOL
[23:15] <keithzg> hehe
[23:15] <keithzg> Well I must've messed up the addition of the additional address or something, since that (either one) just hangs at "Connecting" forever
[23:15] <TJ-> keithzg: check with "ip addr show dev external0"
[23:16] <TJ-> keithzg: you should see both .245/30 and .246/30
[23:16] <TJ-> We know there's no netfilter rules to get in the way :)
[23:18] <keithzg> TJ-: Heh. Yeah I see it listed although it's different? https://paste.kde.org/pbatt57z3/32j5t0/raw
[23:19] <TJ-> keithzg: that's fine
[23:19] <TJ-> keithzg: let's check routing: "pastebinit <( ip route show )"
[23:19] <keithzg> TJ-: Fair enough, I just wasn't sure, although upon reflection I assume "brd" means broadcast so that makes sense to me then
[23:20] <keithzg> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26440728/
[23:20] <TJ-> keithzg: did you say both .245 and .246 hung when used with wget --bind-address= ?
[23:21] <keithzg> TJ-: Oh, no I didn't try binding to .246 instead. Just tried it, it instantly works.
[23:21] <TJ-> interesting, adding the new IP changed the default via to .245
[23:21] <keithzg> (well, gives the 403 from AkamaiGHost, heh)
[23:22] <TJ-> keithzg: I'm getting confused. which works? "wget -S -O - http://www.thebay.com" ?
[23:23] <keithzg> TJ-: That works (gets a 403), explicitly binding to .246 works (also 403), explicitly binding to .245 does not (hangs on the Connecting step)
[23:24] <TJ-> keithzg: weird, that suggests your ISP has assigned a /30 but is not routing it! Is there a modem/router from your ISP connected to the server?
[23:24] <TJ-> keithzg: in which case it's likely .245 is assigned to that device
[23:26] <TJ-> keithzg: do "sudo ip addr del <IP_ADDRESS>/30 dev external0" to clean up the server
[23:26] <keithzg> Yeah they insisted they couldn't give me *just* a modem anymore :( (this is why I don't use Shaw personally!). In theory they've disabled it so that it's only acting as a modem, it's not bridged or anything, but I wouldn't be surprised then if the modem+router box also has its own IP address secretly then.
[23:27] <keithzg> Huh, even add that del I still see .245 as the default route.
[23:27] <keithzg> (Did I just not have a default before? Yeesh, I need to keep better track of these things!)
[23:28] <sdeziel> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26440446/ shows that you had a "default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev external0 onlink"
[23:29] <sdeziel> keithzg: that's one of your earlier paste
[23:29] <keithzg> sdeziel: Ah, fair enough. So it's more just a lack of comprehension of what it all means on my part then, heh.
[23:29] <TJ-> oh, so .245 is the ISP device
[23:30] <TJ-> i missed that
[23:30] <sdeziel> keithzg: no, we screwed up a little I'm affraid
[23:30] <TJ-> keithzg: so the upshot is ... Akamai
[23:30] <TJ-> i read the default as .246 originally, grrr
[23:31] <keithzg> Curse our fallable humanity!
[23:31] <TJ-> I blame my fingers AND my eyes :)
[23:31] <TJ-> basically, broken I/O
[23:31] <sdeziel> on the up side, you were not SSH'ed in from a remote location and didn't lose access :)
[23:31] <keithzg> hehe
[23:32] <keithzg> Yeah, seems like my next step is probably to bug my ISP and see if there's some way they can get more info or a delisting from Akamai.
[23:33] <keithzg> Many, many thanks! :)
[23:33] <keithzg> I wish all of the internet was full of people as wonderful as #ubuntu-server :D
[23:34] <keithzg> Fallable and human as they may be ;)
[23:34] <sdeziel> hehe
[23:34] <sdeziel> good luck!
[23:34] <keithzg> Thanks!


[18:03] <kaminix> Trying a downgrade now. It's the first time I've restarted my laptop since the update which removed kaffeine-xine
[18:03] <mikademus> ForgeAus: Hiya again, you interested in the continuing adventures of Captain Frustration?
[18:03] <Tom47> makdaknife: i have been looking there but cannot see the exact option to reset ... any ideas
[18:04] <makdaknife> :-(
[18:04] <kaminix> Still not working makdaknife :/
[18:04] <makdaknife> kaminix: did you use apt-get to upgrade? I switched to aptitude... its a little safer
[18:04] <kaminix> I use aptitude too.
[18:05] <kaminix> Hmm... might know the cause. I removed KDM for KDE 4 and I think it was set as the active one.
[18:05] <kaminix> Trying a restart of X
[18:06] <makdaknife> hmmm kaminiz... I'm using kde4 and no problems
[18:06] <makdaknife> kdm shouldn't cause a problem with kaffeine
[18:06] <makdaknife> Tom47: Enable Keyboard Repeat, set the delay option
[18:10] <ubuntu_> hello!
[18:10] <tekteen> hi
[18:10] <makdaknife> hi
[18:10] <mikademus> hullu
[18:10] <mikademus> ForgeAus: Thanks for trying to keep me on Linux. I have just installed gutsy for the second time since out last exchange. I'm getting very, very tired. I installed gutsy, ran system update, there was some error and crash during system update, grub was fucked up, I was reinstalling again. If this failes again I will officially join the dark side and become a Windows fanboi.
[18:10] <ubuntu_> Nice irc client!!
[18:11] <Tom47> makdaknife: sorry but thats not the one . that deals with repeating a keystroke by keping a key depresed .
[18:11] <stdin> !language | mikademus
[18:11] <ubotu> mikademus: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[18:11] <ubuntu_> no no no dont do it!
[18:11] <Tom47> makdaknife: my problem now is with typing double leters
[18:11] <ubuntu_> Kubuntu rox!
[18:12] <ubuntu_> that is easily fixed... try adding: clock=pit or clocksource=pit to the kernel line...
[18:12] <makdaknife> Tom47:  sorry I'm not sure which setting you're referring to then
[18:12] <ubuntu_> are u in Virtual pc??
[18:13] <ubuntu_> I had double letters in many Linus when in Virtual PC...
[18:13] <ubuntu_> linux
[18:14] <Tom47> makdaknife: ok ... thanks anyway
[18:14] <ubuntu_> ok sorry...
[18:14] <makdaknife> Tom47: hmmm not accessibility: keyboard... use slow keys?
[18:15] <ubuntu_> yes, or sticky??
[18:18] <Tom47> makdaknife: ty ty ty .... i reset defaults and now have what i wanted .... great
[18:18] <makdaknife> :-)
[18:18] <joseph> i was doing an upgrade and it says postfix has been "kept back".  what does that mean?
[18:18] <makdaknife> Tom47: glad I could help
[18:19] <Tom47> makdaknife: was driving me insane
[18:21] <kaminix> Wie, my Kaffeine works again :)
[18:21] <makdaknife> joseph: packages are usually "kept back" to avoid dependency issues
[18:21] <makdaknife> don't worry about them... they will become available as package dependency issues are resolved
[18:22] <makdaknife> kaminix: great! do you know what caused it?
[18:22] <joseph> makdaknife: so there aren't any major problems with postfix then?
[18:23] <kaminix> makdaknife: Not entirely sure, but I think it was some problem with a conflicting KDM or something, kdm-kde4 which installed with kde4-core and had been set to active. I removed it and rebooted :)
[18:23] <makdaknife> joseph:  probably not... its more likely that you are making use of conflicting repositories or that a package has been added to the apt repository and has dependency issues
[18:24] <makdaknife> kaminix: hmmm I've used both kdm's no problems... prolly just the reboot helped :-)
[18:25] <makdaknife> joseph: http://www.webservertalk.com/archive291-2004-12-626948.html that provides a useful response
[18:25] <makdaknife> cheers folks... I'm off
[18:29] <xav> hello, i have difficulties to install sound on my dell laptop
[18:29] <xav> asoundconf list is empty
[18:36] <intelikey> sshd user can have shell /bin/false can't it ?
[18:36] <intelikey> i can't get sshd to start at boot time.
[18:36] <ForgeAus> did mika go?
[18:37] <ForgeAus> hmm guess I cant help it if he doesn't listen
[18:37] <genii> intelikey: Does it give some informative message?
[18:38] <intelikey> it doesn't say anything
[18:38] <intelikey> genii i can start it manually  but init doesn't seem to be able to start it.
[18:39] <llutz> intelikey: no syslog-entries?
[18:39] <intelikey> no
[18:39] <llutz> increase verbose-mode
[18:39] <intelikey> i think i know what i'll do.   i'll rewrite the init script. and be done with it.
[18:39] <intelikey> i've wasted enough time on it already
[18:42] <intelikey> i found it.  it's bashism in the init script that calls /bin/sh not /bin/bash
[18:43] <intelikey> i'll bet it starts now.
[18:45] <Arwen> whoa, switching to EXA rendering boosts compositing speed with the "radeon" driver way up.
[18:45] <Arwen> remember that if you're stuck on ATI!
[18:45]  * genii makes a note in his lttle black notebook
[19:10] <noaXess> what about making a video of my desktop working for demonstration?
[19:10] <llutz> noaXess: recordmydesktop
[19:10] <noaXess> llutz: aha okay. thanks
[19:13] <The_Fodas> e ae quengada do GNUX !
[19:15] <The_Fodas> hello guys to GNUX
[19:24] <BluesKaj> where can I find the option to turn off the bouncing icon ?.. annoying me.
[19:27] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: kcontrol->general->luanch feedback
[19:27] <nosrednaekim> I think.
[19:30] <carlitox> hola
[19:30] <carlitox> alguienporahi
[19:30] <carlitox> hi
[19:31] <carlitox> alguien me esta leyendo?
[19:31] <carlitox> Y_Y
[19:32] <LadyNikon> !es
[19:32] <carlitox> hola
[19:32] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[19:32] <carlitox> okis
[19:32] <carlitox> ladynikon
[19:32] <carlitox> estas online?
[19:33] <LadyNikon> lo siento no hablar espanol
[19:33] <LadyNikon> mi espanol is muy pokito?
[19:34] <carlitox> ok
[19:34] <carlitox> hey lady were you from'?
[19:34] <LadyNikon> sorry this isnt the type of chat for that
[19:34] <LadyNikon> this is a help channel for kubuntu
[19:34] <carlitox> eee ok thanx
[19:35] <joseph> !offtopic
[19:35] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[19:35] <LadyNikon> joseph: i didnt do that.. because I have no desire to join that channel :D
[19:37] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, i admire your memory ...I'd forgotten  :)
[19:37] <noaXess> have installed compiz in my kubuntu kde3.. it work fine..
[19:37] <noaXess> but seom special things.. if i send any window to the second desktop.. it's gone.. :(.. i think the desktop applet from kde and compiz have not the same destination.. any idea?
[19:38] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: that is probably true.
[19:38] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: you need compiz-kicker
[19:38] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: why?
[19:38] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: ok
[19:39] <noaXess> is this a applet?.. gnome applet?
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: because compiz doesn't work well with the kde3 desktops
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: its a kde panel applet
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> !info compiz-kicker
[19:39] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: the use compiz better with gnome?
[19:39] <ubotu> Package compiz-kicker does not exist in gutsy
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: yes, it does have better gnome integration
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: I believe the kicker compiz package is in backports for gutsy
[19:40] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: hm... is there a desktop engine like compiz for kde?
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: not for kde3
[19:40] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: but kde4 i think
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: you are using kde4?
[19:41] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: yes, there is one for kde4
[19:41] <noaXess> no kde3
[19:41] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: is 4.0.2 really stable.. or are ther some missing apps?
[19:41] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: plenty of missing stuff, but it is stable
[19:41] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: ok..
[19:42] <nosrednaekim> and it doesn't have as fancy of effects as compiz does
[19:42] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: how to enable backports?
[19:42] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: "unsupported updates" I think in the adept manage repositories
[19:42] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: aha.. okay. just try..
[19:43] <noaXess> compiz is cool :)
[19:43] <noaXess> and if you have a big nvidia grafic than it should be used..
[19:43] <nosrednaekim> oh yes :)
[19:43] <joseph> LadyNikon: let that guy join then
[19:44] <LadyNikon> joseph: good point
[19:46] <carlitox> compiz problem graphic card
[19:46] <carlitox> ati radeon 9000
[19:50] <tinin> !kbuildsycoca
[19:50] <ubotu> If your K menu is out of date, like after installing an application and not finding it in the K menu, you should type "kbuildsycoca" in a terminal to rebuild the KDE configuration cache
[19:53] <tinin> kbuildsycoca4
[19:53] <tinin> !kbuildsycoca4
[19:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kbuildsycoca4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:55] <Jucato> tinin?
[19:57] <dhillon> hi...plz help how can i reduce the brightness of my laptop screen...i am having sony vaio...thnks in advance
[19:57] <benpicco__> hi, how do i get konqueror not displaying 'system:/media/sdb2/' but "/media/$mountpoint" in the adress bar?
[19:57] <sammy> shouldn't kdm try the first resolution in my xorg.conf screen section, not the highest resolution? I edited xorg.conf and set my resoltion with the kde control panel, but after reboot, X keeps making a virtual desktop that's larger than my desktop AND larger than my largest modeline and ignores my previously saved settings
[19:58] <tinin> Jucato what's up?
[19:59] <Jucato> what were you looking for?
[19:59] <Jucato> (from the bot)
[19:59] <tinin> kde4 doesn't start up
[19:59] <Jucato> #kubuntu-kde4 is the place for you :)
[19:59] <tinin> I always get a screen telling me something that kbuildsycoca crashed
[20:00] <tinin> i'm there, but not too much activity
[20:00] <Jucato> :)
[20:00] <dhillon> i m luvin kbuntu-kde4 on sony vaio
[20:00] <dhillon> dumped pre-instlled vista
[20:00] <Jucato> try waiting... maybe the guys are still sleeping...
[20:00] <dhillon> and it was gud decision :)
[20:00] <tinin> i think it't this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/197879
[20:00] <tinin> so there may be a solution
[20:19] <intelikey> well i got the sshd startup script fixed.   even though it was very hard to track down the actual issue.
[20:19] <intelikey> one doesn't normally suspect a script as being the problem if that script can be called from the command line and works normally there...
[20:21] <intelikey> hmm now i need a way to stop the hdd from cycling
[20:25] <cuzntx> i have sound issues.
[20:25] <cuzntx> im on gutsy
[20:26] <cuzntx> and i have yet to make sound come out
[20:26] <JoshOvki> !hardy > JoshOvki
[20:26] <intelikey> is it kde or alsa related cuzntx ?
[20:26] <intelikey> kde/arts
[20:26] <cuzntx> i can not be sure
[20:27] <cuzntx> i do not think it is alsa related
[20:27] <cuzntx> as i followed the instructions for d/l
[20:27] <cuzntx> and confiure
[20:27] <intelikey> cuzntx umm maybe you can.   drop to a console and test#  cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp   if you hear whight noise it's not alsa's fault
[20:28] <intelikey> ctrl+C to stop it.
[20:28] <cuzntx> bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[20:28] <cuzntx> bewofthe@bewofthe:~$
[20:30] <intelikey> umm ok.  then i'm guessing that it's not alsa.  but that's only a guess for now.    let's test one more thing to be sure.   openvt -scf 12 -- sudo alsamixer
[20:31] <intelikey> ooops should have added -w
[20:31] <cuzntx> illegal vt number `f'
[20:31] <root__> hola
[20:32] <cuzntx> openvt -scf 12 -- sudo alsamixer-w  then?
[20:32] <intelikey>    openvt -sfwc 12 -- sudo alsamixer
[20:32] <intelikey> try that one   ^
[20:32] <tekteen> root__: hola
[20:32] <root__> como estas
[20:32] <cuzntx> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[20:32] <cuzntx> Could not get a file descriptor referring to the console
[20:32] <tekteen> no habla espanol
[20:33] <cuzntx> i did sudo module-assistant auto-install alsa-source yesterday
[20:33] <cuznt> much better
[20:33] <root__> quien habla español?
[20:33] <root__> nadie?
[20:33] <tekteen> !es
[20:34] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:34] <intelikey> !sound | cuznt i'll defer you to the bot and it's infonodes,
[20:34] <damiano> ola
[20:34] <ubotu> cuznt i'll defer you to the bot and it's infonodes,: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[20:34] <tekteen> lo siento, no hablamos español
[20:34] <root__> ok
[20:34] <cuznt> cat /proc/asound/cards  0 [SI7012         ]: ICH - SiS SI7012                    SiS SI7012 with CMI9739 at irq 20
[20:34] <root__> see you
[20:37] <intelikey> [17181527.224000] Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 1342048 [17181527.720000] Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 1342048
[20:37] <intelikey> i hate dvd's
[20:38] <swatto> my monitor screen has gone dodgy, how can i fix it? its all out of propeortiona
[20:38] <intelikey> swatto what did you do,  zoom in ?
[20:39] <swatto> no, just turned my computer on and the screen was all out of sync
[20:39] <intelikey> swatto  ctrl+alt+-
[20:39] <intelikey> oh
[20:39] <swatto> ill try restart x
[20:39] <|Dreams|> anyone backup xbox 360 games in here?
[20:39] <Airforce5555> hahahahahah this is awesome
[20:40] <intelikey> swatto that sounds like some automatic ubuntu <insert byword here>    you may have to reconfigure xorg to fix it.
[20:40] <Airforce5555> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYp2Aloz-uE&feature=bz301
[20:40] <swatto> thats better lol
[20:40] <intelikey> swatto that sounds like some automatic ubuntu <insert byword here>    you may have to reconfigure xorg to fix it.
[20:40] <ailsa> hello, i am trying to install the flash (non-free) plugin in konqueror (works already in firefox)
[20:40] <tekteen> !flash
[20:40] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[20:40] <swatto> fixed it just restarted x and seems to be working, thanks intelikey
[20:41] <tekteen> ailsa: what is the problem?
[20:41] <ailsa> i think konqueror finds the plugin, but starts the mplayer plugin instead of the nonfree (tested on youtube)
[20:41] <ailsa> is there a way to tell konqueror to use the nonfree plugin?
[20:41] <intelikey> swatto hope it holds past a reboot for you.   welcome.
[20:43] <ailsa> i did everything on the RestrictedFormats homepage, but don't have the update-flashplugin command
[20:44] <sammy> intelikey: do you happen to know how X & kdm decides the initial root window size will be? is it the largest available from your list of modelines or is it the first?
[20:44] <tekteen> ailsa: go to settings > configure konqeror
[20:44] <tekteen> then go to plugins
[20:44] <tekteen> ailsa: click the plugin tab
[20:45] <sammy> my X.org log shows that RandR is enabled, but I can't change my root window size. for some reason it's determined to be 1280x1024, even when I change my resolution in the control center, with RandR enabled, the root window size doesn't change
[20:45] <tekteen> ailsa: tell me when you are done
[20:45] <ailsa> i have (all in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins) one flashplugin-alternative.so and 5 mplayerplug-in-*
[20:46] <intelikey> sammy xorg uses the first size in the list for the particular depth   but kde/kdm is not that streight forward i fear
[20:46] <tekteen> ailsa: did you go into the settings?
[20:46] <ailsa> the flashplugin Description is: FutureSplash Player
[20:47] <tekteen> isn't there also a x-shockwave-flash
[20:47] <ailsa> yes there is
[20:47] <tekteen> open that
[20:47] <intelikey> sammy xorg follows the old XFree86 patern on that.  if you know anything about that.
[20:47] <ailsa> Description: Shockwave Flash
[20:47] <tekteen> what are the suffixes
[20:47] <ailsa> swf, but i can't "open" it
[20:48] <tekteen> ok
[20:48] <sammy> intelikey: you're right, somehow. my first defined mode is 1024x768, which I get as a screen resolution, but my root window size is still being set to 1280x1024, which is the largest size defined. I thought kde's control center + RandR would change the root window size, but it isn't.
[20:48] <ailsa> only look at it (in the Plugins-tab)
[20:48] <tekteen> !flashissue
[20:48] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation has been broken for some time. A fix has been released now. If the update fails to install Flash, try « sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree »
[20:48] <tekteen> try « sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree »
[20:48] <ailsa> i will try this and come back, if this doesn't fix it
[20:48] <tekteen> ok
[20:49] <intelikey> sammy yeah that's kde's doing and i don't use kde   so maybe someone else in here can help you with that.
[20:49] <sammy> intelikey: no worries. I've asked in kubuntu, kde and xorg. it's friday, no one is sitting around in irc channels this afternoon/evening :)
[20:50] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: heya
[20:50] <intelikey> sammy i'm the console guy not the gui dood.   so out of my league really.
[20:51] <sammy> intelikey: cheers to that. linux gui's have a long way to go :) I'll be running mac os's wm when they finally separate it from the rest of their altered freebsd install and let me install it on top of any linux distro
[20:52] <ailsa> tekteen ubota     did not help
[20:52] <ailsa> the flash plugin does work in firefox
[20:52] <ailsa> but not in konqueror
[20:52] <intelikey> des quatro sammy
[20:52] <genii> intelikey: Get the sshd working right?
[20:52] <tekteen> ubotu is a bot
[20:52] <ubotu> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.
[20:52] <ailsa> only the mplayer plugin is shown
[20:52] <sammy> kde, gnome, xfce, all of them are too big for their britches. too many users that don't follow up on bugs, not enough developers.
[20:53] <sammy> intelikey: scusi? des quatro? the four? no hable... well anything but english
[20:53] <intelikey> sammy try blackbox/fluxbox
[20:53] <tekteen> ailsa: I do not know. konq. hates flash
[20:54] <intelikey> no bells nor whistles   but a clean gui
[20:55] <intelikey> when i use a gui it's blackbox anymore
[20:55] <intelikey> which isn't often
[20:55] <sammy> I used to run ... one of those on my AIX box at work intead of clunkycrappy CDE
[20:56] <sammy> I need the integration. After using macos where every program can share with every other program (ie, add a contact in your address book, you can assign it IM accounts which appear in your IM application etc), I can't go back
[20:57] <coreymon77> i have both a macbook and my linux box
[20:57] <wad> In system settings, I specified firefox as my default browser, but clicking URLs in thunderbird email messages does nothing. How could I troubleshoot this problem?
[20:57] <intelikey> heh
[20:57] <sammy> it's just that the foss world hasn't caught up. kontact+kopete does okay, I just feel sometimes like I'm the 1% of users that actually takes the time to file and follow up on bugs. it's not enough
[20:58] <coreymon77> i like macos, but linux, especially kubuntu has a special place for me
[20:58] <intelikey> i need the control, fine tune everything,   default is only the starting point for anything on my system.
[20:58] <eddieftw> wad: try checking your thunderbird settings
[20:58] <wad> eddieftw, I did that too, actually. :-(
[20:59] <wad> I fresh out of ideas.
[20:59] <sammy> I don't subscribe to people using computers like toasters. It's like cars, you *need* to know how they work. it doesn't help anyone but the people you're paying to fix it when you don't have any idea what is broken or why it broke. that model doesn't work in the OSS world
[20:59] <wad> I didn't find any thunderbird settings that looked useful, by the way.
[20:59] <wad> Any of you folks use thunderbird? Does clicking on links send the URL to the browser?
[21:00] <intelikey> sammy yeah another problem is that some times things get fixed, and the developers of a distro *caugh ubuntu caugh* grab the older unpatched source code to make the next release out of....
[21:00] <sammy> people who just want them to work should go use windows. if you're going to use foss software, you *have* to take the time out of what you'd rather be doing to hunt down bugs and participate in triage. intelikey: I think that's more of wanting a stable release for this 99% I'm talking about
[21:01] <sammy> the 99% of users who don't want to file bugs or even know what's wrong, they just want it to work, like their car, or a toaster.
[21:01] <eddieftw> :/
[21:01] <sammy> if they're not going to participate, they should be donating $$ to the developers, since they're using something and not giving back.
[21:02] <draik> !alias
[21:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alias - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:02] <coreymon77> sammy: wrong
[21:02] <coreymon77> sammy: i dont triage bugs due to lack of time
[21:02] <wad> sammy: Some people want to work on their computer. Other people want to work on something, using the computer. They don't care about the computer, if it's not functioning properly, it's just in the way.
[21:02] <coreymon77> sammy: but i still do my part
[21:02] <intelikey> coreymon77 there is no "right nor wrong" to an openion.
[21:02] <sammy> wad: I understand, no no, I see coreymon77's point
[21:02] <intelikey> coreymon77 and i share his openion in most points
[21:02] <sammy> I'm just saying, there isn't a large enough community of paid developers to pick up the slack
[21:03] <sammy> with cars, there's plenty of mechanics
[21:03] <sammy> a whole industry worth
[21:03] <coreymon77> sammy: i have asked quite my fair share of questions in this channel, and i have gotten alot of help
[21:03] <sammy> there's no pile of developers just waiting to fix people's bugs for a flat hourly rate
[21:03] <sammy> coreymon77: why do you think I came in here with my issue :)
[21:03] <intelikey> wad that's the 99%
[21:03] <coreymon77> sammy: but now, when someone asks the same question, i can help them
[21:04] <draik> Once I creat an alias, where else do I need to enter it so that it "sticks"?
[21:04] <coreymon77> sammy: just because im not triaging bugs or spending a lot of my time seraching out for them, doesnt mean i cant still contribute to the community
[21:04] <Blah112> Hey, i need some help making swap for linux. Should new swap partition be Primary or Logical? Should it's location be at End or Beginning?
[21:04] <intelikey> draik a runtime configuration file
[21:04] <intelikey> draik is it bash ?
[21:04]  * sammy ammends his original statement as not to imply that people who don't triage bugs are moochers
[21:05] <sammy> I meant those that do nothing, coreymon77.
[21:05] <draik> intelikey: I typed                  alias dvdmount='sudo mount -o loop -t udf'
[21:05] <intelikey> draik ok that's bash.    put it in ~/.bash.bashrc
[21:06] <draik> Thanks
[21:06] <Blah112> Can someone help me?
[21:07] <sammy> Blah112: logical or primary doesn't have much to do with what type of partition you choose. you may have 4 primary partitions per drive, and one or more primary partitions can hold 'logical' partitions. it's the way someone got around only being able to have 4 partitions on a drive.
[21:07] <draik> intelikey: Done. Thank you much.
[21:07] <Blah112> k
[21:07] <intelikey> draik may i sujest that rather than an alias you might want to make a shell script of that command and put it in /usr/local/bin   then you can also use the gui to execute it   (an alias is not normally accessable to gui alt+f2 type things)
[21:08] <sammy> Blah112: the location of the partition isn't necessarily important, either. it's just giving you a choice as to what free space you'd like to use on your drive.
[21:08] <intelikey> just a thought.
[21:08] <draik> intelikey: Great suggestion. How do I put the command into shell script?
[21:09] <Blah112> Alright. Thanks.
[21:09] <tekteen> draik: create a text file
[21:09] <intelikey> draik sudo nano /usr/local/bin/dvdmount     type in the command and save/exit    then  sudo chmod 755 /usr/local/bin/dvdmount    and you're done.
[21:09] <draik> intelikey: I use Yakuake when I enter             dvdmount [filename.iso] /mnt
[21:10] <intelikey> command would look something like this    sudo mount -o loop -t udf "$@"
[21:11] <draik> What is    "$@"  ?
[21:11] <intelikey> any command line arguments
[21:11] <draik> Ok
[21:11] <intelikey> well all command line args actually
[21:11] <draik> I thought it was something specific
[21:12] <draik> I'm aware of $PATH and such
[21:12] <draik> Didn't know if "$@" was specific to something.
[21:12] <tekteen> it is
[21:12] <tekteen> all command line args
[21:12] <intelikey> $1 is the first one $2 the second  $* is all but doesn't preserve spaces in args and "$@" is all and does pereserve spaces
[21:13] <intelikey> when writing any shell script you wish to pass arguments to  you use one of those ^   and commonly "$@"
[21:14] <draik> Ok
[21:14] <intelikey> $[1-9 positional arg 1 - 9      $0 is the name of the script as it's called on the command line.
[21:15] <draik> So the text file is only a line that states...                                sudo mount -o loop -t udf "$@"
[21:15] <intelikey> yeap     unless you want to be fancy
[21:15] <draik> Fancy?
[21:15] <intelikey> #!/bin/bash
[21:15] <intelikey>
[21:15] <intelikey> # something about the GNU-GPL here
[21:15] <intelikey>
[21:16] <intelikey> your commands here
[21:17] <ailsa> tekteen ubota     i found the error, i had to change in the "file associations" "swf" in the embedding tab to the nsplugin
[21:17] <some_dude> what package enable zeroconf ?
[21:17] <tekteen> ailsa: ubota does not exist
[21:17] <intelikey> notice    in a shell script  # starts a comment    EXCEPT! when followed by !  #! is a key that tells linux what interpretor to use     i.e.  #!/usr/bin/prel    will run in perl    #!/usr/bin/python   will run in python
[21:17] <eddieftw> !paste
[21:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[21:18] <tekteen> it was ubotu that helped you and
[21:18] <tekteen> ubotu is a bot
[21:18] <ubotu> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.
[21:18] <draik> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/932615
[21:18] <ailsa> ok, thanks
[21:20] <intelikey> draik yes
[21:21] <jinzougen> I'm building something which needs libX11.so or libX11.a, but its configure script can't find it. `locate libX11` yields: /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 and /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.2.0.
[21:21] <jinzougen> Is this sufficient? What do I need to do here?
[21:21] <JoshOvki> what folder the trash stored in?
[21:22] <blizzzek> after latest updates, i have an ImportError when trying to import kdecore, it says:
[21:22] <blizzzek> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyKDE4/kdecore.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8KService18accessServiceTypesEv
[21:22] <blizzzek> running 7.10 with kde 3.5.9
[21:22] <blizzzek> (it worked before ;) )
[21:22] <jinzougen> Oh nm I gues apt-get can install it for me.
[21:23] <blizzzek> it occures on the line: from PyKDE4 import kdeui, kdecore
[21:23] <intelikey> JoshOvki ~/.Trash  most of the users trash should be there
[21:23] <draik> intelikey: How do I run it via GUI?
[21:24] <intelikey> alt+f2   and type in
[21:24] <intelikey> draik you can also setup konqueror to allow a right click option for that command
[21:24] <JoshOvki> i just needed to know the folder. thanks intelikey
[21:24] <intelikey> but don't ask me to walk you through that one.
[21:25] <intelikey> JoshOvki i mentioned "most" because if you have trashed anything as root it won't be in that folder most likely
[21:25] <JoshOvki> good point
[21:25] <intelikey> and if it is.  you'll have to rm it as root.
[21:26] <intelikey> i.e. you won't own it.
[21:26] <genii> gotta go
[21:27] <intelikey> hmmm i need to work a little.    back in a while.
[21:28] <draik> intelikey: What would I be looking for so that I may find instructions online?
[21:28] <BizMan697> how do i create asimple homepage for my server, so that i can login from a remote location?
[21:59] <mikdemus> Using Kub7.10, anyone who knows how to handle the "C compiler cannot create executables" when make:ing from Konsole?
[22:00] <nixternal> mikdemus: do you have build-essentials installed?
[22:01] <mikdemus> I'm not certain. I have made a clean gutsy install from CD.
[22:01] <nixternal> groovy, ya you will need to install build-essentials then... sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[22:01] <nixternal> and enjoy your compiling :)
[22:01] <nosrednaekim> uhhh "build-essential"
[22:02] <nixternal> same thing :p
[22:02] <nixternal> I added the 's'
[22:02] <not_chawson> hello, how do u run gnome on kde??
[22:02] <mikdemus> Ah, ok, thanks for the fast reply! :)
[22:02] <nixternal> not_chawson: you don't run gnome on kde, but you can simply install the ubuntu-desktop and have gnome reside on the same machine
[22:03] <not_chawson> ok but how do you get xfce on gnome then??
[22:03] <nixternal> then when you are at the login screen, you can select whether you want to boot into KDE or Gnome
[22:03] <not_chawson> and wheres my mouse??
[22:03] <nosrednaekim> !info build-essentials
[22:03] <limac> how can I run rpm files?
[22:03] <ubotu> Package build-essentials does not exist in gutsy
[22:03] <jawee> not_chawson: sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[22:03] <jawee> ?
[22:03] <nixternal> xfce won't run on gnome either, but can run side by side, install xubuntu-desktop
[22:04] <not_chawson> oh ok i understand now, will that come in the next windows update?
[22:04] <jawee> limac: you can install the alien package
[22:04] <jawee> limac: sudo aptitude install alien to get it
[22:04] <limac> jawee: ok ok
[22:04] <limac> oh ok
[22:04] <Fesek> not_chawson, Get out of here Chawson you mess! Ok everyone. He really isnt this dumb, he is trying to pretend to be a no0b. :D
[22:04] <nixternal> please quit trolling not_chawson
[22:04] <not_chawson> :S
[22:04] <not_chawson> ok
[22:05] <nixternal> heh
[22:05] <jawee> limac: then do sudo alien -d packagename.rpm and install the package with sudo dpkg -i packagename.rpm
[22:05] <not_chawson> Fesek Is Bill Gates In Disguise!!
[22:05] <Fesek> ...
[22:05] <nixternal> !offtopic
[22:05] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[22:05] <limac> jawee: gotha, thank you very much :)
[22:05] <limac> gotcha
[22:05] <jawee> limac: wel, the second should be .deb, but I know you know that. you're welcome
[22:06] <limac> :)
[22:06] <mikdemus> nixternal: thanks, it worked. I not get the message that I don't have the X libraries. You know the package name for those?
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> xorg-dev I think mikdemus
[22:06] <mikdemus> nosrednaekim: you live here man?! :) But I'm happy, you always give good answers!
[22:07] <nixternal> there are so many X libraries that it isn't even funny
[22:08] <nixternal> what I typically do is find out what is in the header files, if c++ what is in the #includes, and then use apt-file to search for the file name, it will typically list the package the files belongs too
[22:08] <nixternal> makes searching easy most of the times
[22:08] <mikdemus> Yeah, it makes sense.
[22:09] <mikdemus> Hmm, I'm compiling KDE themes. Now it seems I need the Qt libraries... O.o
[22:09] <nixternal> mikdemus: all qt libs start with either libqt3 or Qt3 and libqt4 for Qt4
[22:10] <mikdemus> Are there any reason for not getting the Qt4 libs?
[22:10] <mikdemus> reasons
[22:11] <nixternal> mikdemus: no reason for not getting them...most of the apps you find on kde-apps.org are going to be qt4 nowadays
[22:11] <eddieftw> X just treats your tty7 as a client to the server afaik
[22:12] <nixternal> eddieftw: you drinkin' on the job again?
[22:12] <mikdemus> I'm a bit o edge about not breaking anything, I've grown a bit cautious into my 20th install in a week.... (no exxageration)
[22:12] <eddieftw> i wish i could make a joke, but then i would get banned by the admins nixternal.
[22:12] <mikdemus> What is the apt-get syntax for searching for a particular package?
[22:13] <eddieftw> mikdemus: sudo apt-get install (package name)
[22:13] <nixternal> apt-cache search
[22:13] <nixternal> mikdemus: ^^
[22:13] <eddieftw> sudo aptitude search (package) works for me too
[22:13] <nixternal> eddieftw: when searching you don't need sudo
[22:13] <eddieftw> nixternal is the boss, you listen to him though
[22:13] <mikdemus> ok, damn,I am having difficulties remembering everything!
[22:15] <eddieftw> mikdemus: it takes time
[22:15] <mikdemus> Yeah, the initial threshold is rather steep...
[22:15] <mikdemus> Earlier today I was so frustrated I seriously considered going back to WInXP and forgetting about Linux :(
[22:16] <nixternal> mikdemus: after you break and fix your install a few times, you will start remembering...that is how I did it back in 94/95...I broke my Linux installs on a daily basis, but back then documentation and support was sparse at best
[22:16] <sandro__> hi can someone tell me how come my SD card isnt being read in the media slot?
[22:17] <sandro__> it doesnt even register in the media section
[22:17] <eddieftw> mikdemus: my brother installed ubuntu and forced me to use instead of winXP. but now i love it and hang out in here to help people like you on a daily basis. :P
[22:17] <nixternal> sandro__: which version of Kubuntu are you running? did it pop up asking what you wanted to do?
[22:17] <mikdemus> And I appreciate it!
[22:17] <nixternal> also sandro__, if you could go into a terminal window (Konsole) and type ->   dmesg    <- see if the SD card is being recognized
[22:18] <sandro__> ok im new at this sorry for being ignorant, im running what i think is the latest version of kubuntu
[22:19] <eddieftw> sandro__: gutsy gibbon. version 7.04?
[22:19] <sandro__> yes
[22:19] <eddieftw> if you have a konsole or terminal open do this: ls_release -a
[22:19] <jawee> eddieftw: 7.10 is Gusty Gibbon. 7.04 is Fiesty Fawn
[22:19] <mikdemus> Ok, though having install the latest Qt4 libs, it is still not working. I get "sudo apt-get install build-essentials"
[22:19] <mikdemus> oops
[22:20] <eddieftw> and that will print out your working distrobution...
[22:20] <eddieftw> gah
[22:20] <eddieftw> nixternal: apparently I *have* been drinking on the job
[22:20] <nixternal> figures
[22:20] <sandro__> so what do i do again?
[22:20] <nixternal> eddieftw: go to PyCon with me next week
[22:20] <nixternal> sandro__: dmesg
[22:20] <sandro__> ok ive done that
[22:20] <nixternal> see if it is recognizing the SD card
[22:20] <mikdemus> Ok, new attempt. The error message is "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!"
[22:20] <nixternal> do you see anything resembling the SD card at the bottom of everything it spit out?
[22:20] <nixternal> if not, unplug the SD card and replug it in
[22:21] <nixternal> root_: please do not sign into IRC as root
[22:21] <nixternal> !root > root_
[22:21] <damian_> root
[22:21] <jawee> !root | root_
[22:21] <ubotu> root_: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[22:21] <nixternal> lol
[22:21] <jawee> I win :)
[22:21] <aleksanteri> rofl
[22:21] <nixternal> wth is the "don't sign into IRC as root" one?
[22:21] <jawee> oh...
[22:21] <sandro__> ok i dont see SD card anywhere
[22:22] <eddieftw> nixternal: i think i can make it on thursday or tuesday. but i need to talk to my boss and schedule things etc
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: apt-get install libqt3-dev
[22:22] <sandro__> but there is a blue light
[22:22] <eddieftw> i have to go on one of those 'free' days
[22:22] <sandro__> wait there is no blue light
[22:22] <sandro__> do i need to get something from the adept manager???
[22:23] <aleksanteri> wow there's no "don't irc as root" factoids
[22:23] <sandro__> like a driver or program?
[22:23]  * aleksanteri searched the db
[22:23] <sandro__> hello?
[22:23] <mikdemus> That package is apparently depricated, I get a batch of alternatives :-?
[22:24] <sandro__> so how do i get my SD card read?
[22:24] <mikdemus> perhaps libq3-headers?
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: yeah... try that
[22:24] <St0n3-C0l> guys...when i boot up my monitor says out of frequency while when i go for Recovery mode option...it works perfectly with init 4 command
[22:25] <St0n3-C0l> I get to the desktop
[22:25] <sandro__> um,,, hello can anyone help me?
[22:25] <xp_killer> hey
[22:25] <sandro__> yea
[22:25] <nosrednaekim> St0n3-C0l: in recovery mode, run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[22:25] <eigenval> hi, i've installed ubuntu/gnome (7.10) and use now kde. my problem: my usb-sticks are not detected in kde. if i use gnome, the are mounted in /media and shown on the desktop. but i dont find them and a mount (with df) . what is the problem, what can i do?
[22:25] <mikdemus> Nope, sorry, still get the 3.3 >= Qt < 4.0 error
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: what are you trying to compile?
[22:26] <mikdemus> KDE themes
[22:26] <eigenval>  i dont find them and a mount (with df) if i use kde
[22:26] <St0n3-C0l> nosrednaekim: Just this command would do ?
[22:26] <St0n3-C0l> K will try. Thanks :)
[22:27] <kam3> hel
[22:27] <daiana> #kubuntu-es
[22:27] <kam3> help
[22:27] <kam3> the jelly stole^H eaten my armour
[22:27] <sandro__> so can anyone please tell me why i cant kubuntu to read my card?????????
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: ah...ok let me see then...
[22:27] <kam3> how to avoid damn jellies and friends from eating away all my good stuff?
[22:27] <kam3> sandro__: what card
[22:28] <sandro__> i have an SD card
[22:28] <sandro__> and it isnt being read
[22:28] <sandro__> it doesnt show on media drives
[22:28] <limac> I am trying to install maya, and anyone know why I am getting this error: bash: /usr/local/bin/maya: /bin/csh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[22:28] <mikdemus> nosrednaekim: appreciate it
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: try qt3-dev-tools
[22:28] <sandro__> the light on the card is off
[22:29] <mikdemus> nosrednaekim: sorry, still no dice
[22:29] <xp_killer> limac: wat is maya?
[22:30] <limac> uhh.......an animation software
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: could you plug it in and then pastebin the last 20 lines of dmesg?
[22:30] <sandro__> what is that? i just have my card in the media slot
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: run "dmesg" in a terminal
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: ah... you may need "kde-devel"
[22:32] <sandro__> how do i past it?
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[22:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:34] <sandro__> ok ive got pastebin, and i pasted the  20 lines
[22:34] <sandro__> how do i put it on here?
[22:34] <mikdemus> nosrednaekim: testing now, I have added quite some megs of headers by know... :p
[22:35] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: hehe
[22:35] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: give me the URL
[22:35] <sandro__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58806/
[22:35] <limac> so......? why am I getting that error?
[22:36] <mikdemus> y
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> limac: csh is another shell it sounds like...
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: doesn't look like your card reaser is supported
[22:37] <mikdemus> nosrednaekim: yeah, that was what was needed
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: I think that is just a meta package..
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> !info kde-devel
[22:37] <ubotu> kde-devel (source: meta-kde): the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra.  But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[22:42] <mikdemus> I feel a dreadful power tugging me, it want to transform me into a smug LIST weenie running Linux and bashing everyone with it, and proclaiming the greatnedd of Haskell
[22:42] <mikdemus> LISP
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: Haskell?
[22:43] <mikdemus> A progamming language, that is very fine and good, but whose users tend to be very superior
[22:43] <mikdemus> or act that way
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> haha
[22:44] <eddieftw> LISP atw
[22:44] <eddieftw> or so im told by some lisp fans I know
[22:44] <mikdemus> Please, go to a Haskell channel and say that!
[22:49] <farruinn_> If I want to compile a program that depends on KDE libraries, do I want kde4base-dev or kdebase-dev? The version for kdebase-dev is shown as "4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2.2". Does that mean KDE 4?
[22:49] <aleksanteri> depends on does the program use kde3 or kde4
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> farruinn_: if its a kde4 program you want kde4base-dev
[22:50] <farruinn_> nosrednaekim: thanks
 so what shhould i do?
[22:50] <farruinn_> so what's the deal with 4:3.5.8? Is that KDE 4 or KDE 3?
[22:50] <sandro__> so what should i do to get my SD card to read?
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: run "lspci" and see what youir card reader is called
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> farruinn_: I think those are kde3 libs that have been specially patched to work well with KDE4
[22:51] <farruinn> nosrednaekim: ah, ok. Thanks
[22:51] <farruinn> I had never seen 4:* in a version number before
[22:53] <sandro__> it is in here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58807/
[22:53] <mikdemus> Hmm, compiling (should I say Kompiling to keep with the theme?) KDE themes seems a hassle. Even though all libraries are there kompilation fails. Is there a precompiled theme binary package for Kubuntu?
[22:54] <mikdemus> sorry, preKompiled
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: depends on the theme... which theme is it?
[22:55] <mikdemus> domino
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: indeed there are :)
[22:55] <mikdemus> seems to be a common base for other themes too
[22:55] <mikdemus> yay
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> well if its a "base" then you will rpobably need to compile anyway
[22:56] <mikdemus> !yay
[22:56] <ubotu> Glad you made it! :-)
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> but for just domino, I'll find you the deb
[22:56] <mikdemus> ~yay!
[22:56] <mikdemus> (sorry, I'm getting wierder by the minute)
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=59
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> mikdemushttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Domino+Deb+package+for+Kubuntu?content=74031:
[22:59] <sandro__> thank you so much
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: I hope that works..
[22:59] <sandro__> it should
[22:59] <sandro__> thanks
[23:29] <Ax-Ax> I'm noticeing that my computer slows down if I have the amarok window up
[23:30] <Ax-Ax> When minimized, it'ts normal
[23:30] <fignew> Ax-Ax: what does top say?
[23:30] <Ax-Ax> hm
[23:32] <Ax-Ax> 22635 axel      15   0  150m  51m  28m S 22.3 13.8   2:04.67 amarokapp
[23:32] <Ax-Ax> minimized
[23:32] <Ax-Ax> 22635 axel      15   0  150m  51m  28m S 30.7 13.8   2:13.61 amarokapp
[23:33] <Ax-Ax> open ;S;s
[23:33] <Ax-Ax> 8% more cpu
[23:34] <fignew> is a visualization running?
[23:34] <Ax-Ax> no
[23:34] <fignew> how fast is the CPU?
[23:35] <Ax-Ax> not very
[23:35] <Ax-Ax> 450MHz
[23:36] <Ax-Ax> it wasn't like that some time (months) ago
[23:37] <fignew> ok 30% usage makes sense for 450mhz
[23:37] <Ax-Ax> yes
[23:37] <Ax-Ax> :(
[23:38] <Ax-Ax> i'm saving for a new computer btw
[23:40] <fignew> Ax-Ax, Not sure exactly what's going on. :/
[23:41] <Ax-Ax> :(
[23:41] <Ax-Ax> it's really annoying
[23:48] <Synaptiv> anyone here speak klingon
[23:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to assume that's a joke :)
[23:52] <prince_jammys> ubuntu is for "human beings", remember
[23:52] <user5> helloooo there
[23:53]  * Daisuke_Ido sips an espresso martini
[23:54] <Daisuke_Ido> i think i need to tweak my recipe a bit
[23:56] <mikdemus> 'part
[23:57] <X9nLinux1> Hi everyone.  I did a reinstall of Dapper on an old iMac yesterday.  All is well.  The HD is a 20G that was partitioned by the installer automagically.  Entire drive was used for this install.  Can I 'redo' the install without wiping it out so that the HD is repartitioned to two 10G sections?
[23:57] <X9nLinux1> BTW, the plan is to put OSX on the other partition.
[23:59] <X9nLinux1> ... or do I need to just start over?


[18:25] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. We have frequent complaints that Bazaar is slower by far than any other VCS. We use Launchpad to store our branches. Did we do something wrong with the storage format? lp:mixxx
[18:25]  * Pegasus_RPG doesn't know because he's only ever used svn
[20:04] <Noldorin> hello jelmer
[20:05] <jelmer> hi Noldorin
[20:05] <Noldorin> jelmer, i see you fixed my dpush issue :-D
[20:05] <jelmer> huh?
[20:06] <Noldorin> jelmer, i got a notification about it
[20:06] <Noldorin> saying "triaged"
[20:06] <Noldorin> is that not fixed? :-(
[20:06] <Noldorin> i mean, it was "in progress" before it seems...
[20:07] <jelmer> Noldorin: that basically means it's confirmed that it's a bug, but there's no work going on
[20:07] <Noldorin> oh :-(
[20:07] <Noldorin> i misunderstood
[20:07] <Noldorin> heh
[20:07] <Noldorin> at least priority has gone up to "high" though hah
[20:07] <jelmer> Noldorin: I unassigned a bunch of bzr-git bugs from myself because I haven't really gotten to them
[20:08] <Noldorin> ah
[20:08] <Noldorin> it turns out i didn't move to Hg yet anyway
[20:08] <Noldorin> just not enough demand for the Git mirror
[20:08] <Noldorin> (yet)
[20:08] <Noldorin> so safe for now
[20:08] <Noldorin> oh well
[23:10] <lifeless> maxb: the list is a better way to coordinate things
[23:27] <maxb> mm, possibly. "Contact team" does have the upside of reaching precisely the set of affected people, though


[00:46] <mhall> Question: can anybody report results using Wayland on Kubuntu 20.04 LTS? I have a HiDPI environment and the sub-pixel bug in Konsole windows is killing me and I'd like to break free, but none of the documentation I spotted seemed to be very current regarding how well this will work or not.
[03:17] <IrcsomeBot1> PHOEBE HONKANEN was added by: PHOEBE HONKANEN
[07:16] <nucleon> ?
[07:16] <nucleon> Hello Everyone
[07:28] <nucleon> Hello？
[07:30] <nucleon> Hello？
 You better ask a question
[07:30] <nucleon> .....................
[07:32] <nucleon> What country are you from :)
[07:35] <nucleon>  What country are you from :)
 That's not Kubuntu related
 This is a support channel, not for chit-chat
[08:41] <flejm> hi, is kubuntu more safe than windows?
[09:18] <flejm> Is kubuntu more safe than windows?
[09:20] <diogenes_> flejm, :)
[09:23] <IrcsomeBot1> vr .m was added by: vr .m
[09:32] <lordievader> Good morning
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:21] <masonbee>  I have a question about muon, specifically the Kubuntu 20.04 version of it. In software sources under settings/configure software sources/updates/automatic updates does the option "download all updates in the background" also install them?
[16:33] <IrcsomeBot1> domenic MAREKE was added by: domenic MAREKE
[17:23] <user|68117> How to stop x server? 20.04
[17:24] <user|68117> You need to reinstall the driver
[17:48] <IrcsomeBot1> BRK was added by: BRK
[18:44] <Crell> Hi folks.  Does 20.10 come in a network-install version still?  The standard image is now 2.5 GB, and I discovered to my amusement that I have no USB keys lying around larger than 2 GB. :-)
[18:48] <diogenes_> Crell, whae OS you're using now?
[18:51] <Crell> I'm typing this from another Kubuntu 20.10 system, but I want to install over a laptop I just got 2nd hand that has Windows 10.
[18:54] <diogenes_> well theoretically you could install from HDD, but you gonna need a USB stick with at least 30Mb.
[18:56] <Crell> 30 MB I've got plenty of.  I just haven't bought one in a very long time so 2 GB is my largest, I think.
[18:56] <Crell> (I'll get more and join the 21st century soon enough, but...)
[18:57] <diogenes_> 30Mb is enought for this method.
[19:01] <Crell> How does install from hdd work then?  The last time I installed Kubuntu there was a slimline "we download everything on the fly" version that worked fine on a small flash drive.
[19:03] <diogenes_> 1) download the ISO in the windows PC, 2) create an ext4 partition for at least 4GB 3) copy the ISO there 4) grab the USB drive and install grub on 5) in grub.cfg you make a meny entry with a loopback to the ISO and that's how you load it up and install.it
[19:08] <Crell> Oy.  Sounds a bit more involved than I was hoping to deal with today.
[19:58] <Zeshy> Hi all!  I am at my wits end ... SystemD is unable shutdown gracefully with an NFS-/home, so I have to fix it. Apparently, there are processes still using /home/rh that don't react to SIGTERM (timeout), so I thought: I'll "just" a unit file that gets executed right before "umount.target" and basically SIGKILLs all PIDs accessing /home/rh.   I read all kinds of tutorials and howtos and Stackoverflow threads
[19:58] <Zeshy> and cannot get it to work. Here my oneshot-service: https://pastebin.com/VFnFGRYj  This service absolutely does not get started (yes, x-bits all set). Any help appreciated.
[20:54] <IrcsomeBot1> FREDERIKKE Bruno was added by: FREDERIKKE Bruno
[21:16] <user|60403> hello I have problem instal my printer hp officejet 3830
[21:17] <user|60403> iam no expert


[02:09] <linuxmonkey> wassup guys
[02:13] <jsgotangco> hey
[02:13] <linuxmonkey> wassup
[02:15] <linuxmonkey> well on h.u.c. wiki...lol
[02:17] <jsgotangco> nice
[02:24] <linuxmonkey> any know how to put a webaddress but not make it show up as a link?
[02:58] <linuxmonkey> woot woot edited the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu to reflect the new Canonical Commercial Repositories :)
[03:34] <nixternal> linuxmonkey: is it possible for you to do the same thing for the /Ubuntu subpage?
[03:34] <linuxmonkey> i dont have ubuntu installed at the moment to be able to take the screenshots
[03:35] <linuxmonkey> im willing to do it if ya can get me screenshots nixternal
[03:35] <nixternal> vmware server
[03:36] <linuxmonkey> oh thats right
[03:36] <nixternal> thats how i do it
[03:36] <linuxmonkey> i got to install that, I actually have a vmware licence :)
[03:36] <nixternal> i have Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu all in Dapper, as well as all of them in Edgy..although the Edgy ones are all pretty much broken right now
[03:36] <nixternal> vmware server == free
[03:37] <linuxmonkey> since when?
[03:37] <nixternal> server has always been free...it is the other things that aren't
[03:37] <linuxmonkey> whats the diff
[03:37] <nixternal> imbrandon explained it to me one night
[03:37] <nixternal> i can't remember exactly
[03:38] <linuxmonkey> were is he anyways
[03:38] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:41] <nixternal> taking a break i guess
[03:42] <nixternal> i think it is an irc break so he can work on code..i hope it is at least
[03:47] <linuxmonkey> lol probably
[03:47] <linuxmonkey> he's been busy with konversation
[03:50] <nixternal> which is horrible
[04:33] <jsgotangco> the free vmware server is a rolling beta if i remember right
[04:33] <jsgotangco> its a free, unlimited use binary though
[04:52] <robotgeek> too bad parallels for mac is not free
[04:54] <robotgeek> i wonder if there is a product like vmware for macs
[05:12] <smitten> mdke: around?
[05:20] <jsgotangco> sleeping at his time
[05:20] <robotgeek> you can ask jsgotangco too :)
[05:35] <theCore> robotgeek: I think there's a vmware version for the macs, but I'm really not sure
[05:36] <robotgeek> theCore: nevermind, i am installing kubuntu now. no edgy testing for powerpc :(
[05:37] <theCore> robotgeek: edgy testing? I don't think there's anything new for the moment
[05:37] <robotgeek> theCore: yeah, but in time...
[05:44] <nixternal> jsgotangco: can you link me to the anthrolopology information for Ubuntu?
[05:46] <nixternal> i got it jsgotangco, forgot his name was Andreas
[05:46] <jsgotangco> =)
[05:46] <robotgeek> Andreas Lyod
[05:46] <robotgeek> or Lyold, maybe?
[05:47] <nixternal> how about Lloyd
[05:47] <nixternal> ;)
[05:47] <nixternal> haha
[05:48] <nixternal> who is the ubuntu-list mailman?  my daughter doesn't look like me
[05:48] <robotgeek> lol. i knew i was there
[05:48] <nixternal> haha
[05:49] <nixternal> im going to hang myself, as i keep emailing the person responsible, but he doesn't email me back
[07:39] <nixternal> grrr
[07:39] <nixternal> im going to beat up the mailman tomorrow if mine don't come now ;)
[07:40] <jsgotangco> what are you doing?
[07:41] <bhuvan> one question in ubuntu installation: how do we install dapper using cursor/text mode (instead of default gui)
[07:42] <OHPhoneGuy> bhuvan: Use the Alternative Install CD-Rom
[07:43] <bhuvan> OHPhoneGuy: how do i locate that Cd. All Cds (total: 5) seem to be the same
[07:44] <nixternal> jsgotangco: http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/poster/poster1.png  <- first draft for a poster
[07:44] <OHPhoneGuy> bhuvan:  I've not seen the Dapper CD's, so I don't know how to physically tell you that "that one" is the Alternative CD...however, if I remember the Breezy CD's, they were marked.
[07:44] <jsgotangco> bhuvan: alternate cd
[07:45] <jsgotangco> wow it feels like a movie poster!
[07:45] <nixternal> hehe
[07:45] <nixternal> the "taste of ubuntu"
[07:45] <nixternal> fitting, since the taste of chicago just ended
[07:53] <bhuvan> jsgotangco: oh ok
[07:53] <bhuvan> OHPhoneGuy: thank you!
[07:54] <jsgotangco> the cds being shipped are gui-install only
[07:54] <jsgotangco> you have to download alternate
[07:54] <bhuvan> jsgotangco: ok
[09:01] <mdke> morning
[09:02] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[09:03] <jsgotangco> hello
[09:04] <Burgundavia> hi mdke, jsgotangco
[09:04] <jsgotangco> hi!
[09:12] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: Did you take a look at the docbook -> moinmoin xslt:s?
[09:13] <jsgotangco> i sure do have this in my machine but havent tested yet
[09:14] <jsgotangco> will do in a few minutes sorry
[09:17] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: No problem.
[09:17] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: I could upload a newer version.  No I can't. It's on my machine at home, which seems to have changed IP addresses, so I can't log in :/
[09:23] <Burgundavia> night all
[09:23] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GenBunToo <-- very strange...
[09:27] <mvirkkil> fixed, and uploaded: http://users.tkk.fi/~mvirkkil/db2mm/
[09:27] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: --^
[09:35] <jsgotangco> what's a2m-desc.xml?
[09:37] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: hmm.. cruft.
[09:38] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: it was an old example docbook
[09:38] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/teamstuff/article2moin/a2m-desc.xml
[09:38] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: Just doing "xsltproc db2mm.xslt yourdocbook.xml" should work
[09:38] <jsgotangco> ah wait a bit let me check my repo
[09:42] <mvirkkil> but yourdocbook.xml can't be a book or a part. The root element needs to be one of the following: article chapter colophon appendix glossary
[09:43] <jsgotangco> ahh
[10:20] <mdke> mvirkkil: it doesn't work for books yet?
[10:57] <mvirkkil> mdke: No. Not yet.
[10:57] <mvirkkil> mdke: It can only handle docbook->moinmoin when the result is going to be one moinmoin page, ie article, chapter etc.
[11:04] <mdke> mvirkkil: ok, gotcha. do you plan to work on books too?
[11:04] <mvirkkil> mdke: Yes, of course :)
[11:05] <mdke> awesome
[11:05] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'm just taking a similar route I did when I went from moin->docbook: first supoprting only 1to1 conversion, and later doing it for "collections".
[11:06] <mvirkkil> mdke: Unfortunately my this week is booked pretty solid, so chunkin a docbook-book in to multiple parts like chapters etc, is going to have to wait till next week.
[11:07] <mvirkkil> mdke: But I'd really appreciate if people would test it on their stuff already, and let me know if they find bugs.
[11:08] <mvirkkil> I've also been thinking about how to support xrefs and other links. It's quite non-trivial.
[11:08] <mdke> yes
[11:09] <mdke> presumably it involves the anchor macro, right?
[11:10] <mvirkkil> mdke: Possibly. But a macro wouldn't work for linkin to headings, since headings aren't parsed.
[11:11] <mdke> how does the table of contents macro link to headings?
[11:15] <mdke> mvirkkil: ok, here is the result of your xslt on the about-ubuntu document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthewEast/AboutUbuntu
[11:15] <mdke> looks good.
[11:15] <mvirkkil> mdke: Hmm.. bugs.
[11:15] <mdke> I'll make a list of things that aren't working
[11:16] <mvirkkil> mdke: The list is not a list, and I've managed to get → outputted as "→" instead of a "-->"
[11:16] <mvirkkil> mdke: You used xsltproc?
[11:17] <mdke> yes
[11:17] <mdke> the itemizedlist bug seems to be the most significant
[11:17] <mdke> interesting that the first one didn't work, and the second one did
[11:17] <mvirkkil> mdke: Weird, I think that used to work. I did some minor fixes, seems I broke that.
[11:18] <mvirkkil> mdke: Would you mind testing with the older 0.4 version?
[11:18] <mdke> ah, the first list is inside a <para>, the second one isn't. Is that the trouble?
[11:19] <mvirkkil> mdke: Might be :/
[11:19] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'll need to check it out at home. I'd _love_ to have a smallish testcase :)
[11:21] <mdke> mvirkkil: bug is there with 0.4 too
[11:22] <mvirkkil> mdke: ok.
[11:23] <mvirkkil> mdke: Ahh.. Found the bug.
[11:24] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'm assuming that everything inside a <para>-tag _must b
[11:24] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'm assuming that everything inside a <para>-tag _must_ be formatted inline.
[11:27] <mdke> splendid
[11:27] <mdke> mvirkkil: i've listed the missing features/bugs on that wiki page
[11:27] <mvirkkil> mdke: Hmm.. Menuchoice support should work. And so should images.
[11:28] <mvirkkil> mdke: It seems your version of moinmoin doesn't support embedding html entities like → which works with newer versions of moin.
[11:28] <mdke> the broken menu-choice is what you mentioned earlier, in the last bullet point of the page
[11:29] <mvirkkil> mdke: Could you put up the xml file, so I can see how the images are used?
[11:29] <mdke> mvirkkil: the menuchoice looks like that in my 1.5 desktop moin too
[11:30] <mdke> here's the code: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/aboutubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.xml
[11:32] <mvirkkil> mdke: How can a <guimenuchoice> have multiple <guimenuitem>:s? I think that should be something like <guisubmenu>
[11:33] <mdke> mvirkkil: you are probably right, but it's not invalid
[11:33] <mvirkkil> mdke: No. Unfortunately my code assumes a <guimenuitem> is the last in the row :/
[11:34] <mvirkkil> mdke: But the itemized list inside a para is the really problematic bug.
[11:34] <mvirkkil> mdke: That was an exellent catch :)
[11:34] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'll have to really rework some of the code to support that :)
[11:35] <mdke> sorry about that :)
[11:36] <mvirkkil> mdke: The images work.
[11:36] <mvirkkil> mdke: It's just that there is no image on the wiki at ../../images/C/ubuntuheader.png
[11:37] <mdke> heh
[11:37] <mdke> mvirkkil: shouldn't it prompt for me to upload an attachment?
[11:38] <mvirkkil> mdke: No, because the link is a direct link like [../../images/C/ubuntuheader.png] , not an attachment:../../images/C/ubuntuheader.png
[11:38] <mvirkkil> mdke: So if the path would be a complete url to any server anywhere, it would work directly.
[11:38] <mdke> hmm
[11:39] <mdke> i wonder if that is the best way to handle images
[11:39] <mdke> at least those with relative paths
[11:39] <mvirkkil> mdke: Well, my plan is to have people upload zips, which get extracted, and the images get attached to the main page.
[11:40] <mvirkkil> mdke: mainpage==book's page
[11:41] <mdke> where the image is one with a relative path, I would have thought attachment:filename.png would work
[11:42] <mvirkkil> mdke: You mean, that if it's a relative path, it should write out an attachment:ubuntuheader.png instead?
[11:42] <mdke> can you think of a reason why not to do that?
[11:43] <mvirkkil> mdke: It gets a bit tricky if there are something like ../../images/en/flag.png and ../../images/fi/flag.png
[11:43] <mvirkkil> because then it would just write attachment:flag.png for both, even though they should be different files.
[11:44] <mdke> good point
[01:48] <jsgotangco> dum dum dee dum
[02:12] <ompaul> jsgotangco, I'll guess that tune in 5?
[02:12] <jsgotangco> haha
[04:25] <mvirkkil> mdke: Fixing "lists inside para" will result in nasty ugly code.
[04:26] <mdke> mvirkkil: I'm not very good with code, I'm not sure I can help...
[04:26] <mvirkkil> Since a para needs to be a single line, so I want to use normalize-space to strip any newlines and spaces in the beginning and end. This is naturally not possible when there are lists present.
[04:27] <mvirkkil> mdke: no worries. I wasn't expecting you to.
[04:27] <mdke> I can help test though!
[04:28] <mvirkkil> mdke: And that is very much appreciated :)
[04:28] <mvirkkil> mdke: Unfortunately this looks like a tough one to crack.
[04:28] <mvirkkil> mdke: Because any way I fix it, will cause breakage somewhere elese.
[04:29] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'm asking my mentor for help on this one :)
[04:29] <mdke> are you able to simply treat it as you would if there was a </para> there before the list?
[04:30] <mvirkkil> mdke: The problem is that there is no easy way to collect all the stuff before the list in one.
[04:30] <mvirkkil> mdke: Or there is, but I'm hoping there would be a cleaner solution.
[04:33] <mdke> ok
[04:34] <mvirkkil> mdke: It's conceptually a simple matter. My problems are on the code level.
[04:38] <jjesse> mdke: what do you have to do to get comitt access to the svn?
[04:42] <jjesse> mdke: i would like to have philbull have comitt permissions as he will be working on the switching guide w/ me
[04:42] <jjesse> and will have lots to add :0
[04:42] <mdke> jjesse: contribute patches to the list that demonstrate some constant contribution and the ability to write valid docbook consistently with our styleguide
[04:42] <mdke> jjesse: ah cool
[04:42] <jjesse> mdke: we've spent the lasthour discussing and philbull will be emailing the list to let everyone know our thoughts
[04:43] <mdke> start off with him sending a few patches, and then he can be given access
[04:43] <mdke> jjesse: there is some suggestion that Ubuntu membership is also a prerequisite
[04:43] <jjesse> mdke: ok will get him started sending diffs and we then move him along
[04:44] <mdke> great
[06:01] <nixternal> @SIG@
[06:16] <linuxmonkey> i read up on some cool moin moin features
[06:21] <nixternal> on our wiki, or the actual moinmoin wikiwiki?
[06:23] <linuxmonkey> moinmoin
[06:24] <nixternal> ya, there are a lot of macro's they have, plus a lot of scripts...we don't have a lot of them enabled on our machine
[06:24] <nixternal> like the parsers
[06:24] <linuxmonkey> yeah
[06:24] <nixternal> c, java, ruby and stuff like that
[06:24] <linuxmonkey> the stuff i read about worked like a charm
[06:26] <nixternal> which ones?
[06:26] <linuxmonkey> like the url in text mode..so it doesnt come up as a linke
[06:27] <nixternal> using ``
[06:27] <nixternal> oh..i know what you are talking about
[06:27] <nixternal> yes
[06:29] <linuxmonkey> or using {address}
[06:29] <nixternal> im just interested really in the wiki > docbook stuff ;)
[06:31] <nixternal> what i have been doing, is running the desktop moinmoin, and doing all my stuff locally, then copy/paste it up to the main wiki...makes it much easier to edit locally, that way i don't loose anything