[08:54] <Tru7h> Nothing_About: Scratch that, I thought you said "can" not "can't".
[08:54] <printk> Mr: the extension of the shell script depends on the shell it's using.  for example bourne or bash shell use .sh extension.
[08:54] <Mr> ok
[08:54] <dream> kmitch, there is no screensaver on dapper
[08:54] <Tru7h> Nothing_About: You just need to use the alternate installer.
[08:54] <reverie> dragonfyre13, yeah i know :)
[08:54] <dream> kmitch is there another way to remove the blank screensaver
[08:54] <printk> Mr: and they don't always have extensions either... it's not necesary
[08:54] <holycow> Mr, on linux you ar basically making everything a command wher  thisprogram execsthisfile -withsomeparatemers
[08:54] <reverie> dragonfyre13, the beep i get indicates the vga card isn't plugged in
[08:54] <reverie> weird
[08:54] <reverie> ubuntu unplugs vga cards !
[08:54] <reverie> :)
[08:54] <holycow> Mr, so a bash script is executed as ./scriptname
[08:54] <dragonfyre13> reverie: hmmm.
[08:54] <SeraVitae> how can i locate $JAVA_HOME?
[08:54] <holycow> no need for extension
[08:54] <ArrenLex> SeraVitae: what is $JAVA_HOME?
[08:55] <Mr> its x-shellscript
[08:55] <dragonfyre13> reverie: try unplugging it, booting, plugging it in, and then booting.
[08:55] <holycow> what are you trying to do anyway?
[08:55] <Mr> install lampp
[08:55] <kmitch87> dream: I don't know of any other way
[08:55] <SeraVitae> ArrenLex - i assume it's the home folder of java.
[08:55] <mikeh_> how do i get SMP to work with a -386 kernel?
[08:55] <ArrenLex> SeraVitae: what do you mean by "home folder"?
[08:55] <holycow> ah ... thats a whole other thing, i can't help with that, i'm here to help out with installing and configuring ubuntu :)
[08:55] <holycow> maybe someone else knows
[08:55] <SeraVitae> I don't know. that's all i have to work with.
[08:56] <ArrenLex> mikeh: you don't. You have to install a 686 or k7 kernel. There are no 386 machines with more than one CPU!
[08:56] <SeraVitae> it's a variable so i assume it's wherever java was installed to.
[08:56] <Mr> ok
[08:56] <ArrenLex> SeraVitae: java installs to /usr/lib/jvm
[08:56] <Mr> thanks anyway
[08:56] <Mr> bbl
[08:56] <|chris3|> hi all
[08:56] <reverie> dragonfyre13, tried that too
[08:56] <holycow> mr no worries
[08:56] <dragonfyre13> reverie: hmmmm. Your computer doesn't like you. ^_^
[08:56] <ArrenLex> mikeh: apt-get install linux-image-686-smp
[08:57] <|chris3|> oddest thing I tried to install telnetd and now my resoltuions are gone
[08:58] <SeraVitae> ArrenLex - cool.
[08:58] <mikeh_> arrenlex: will a K7 kernel work on an intel cpu
[08:58] <SeraVitae> unfortunately the folder im supposed to stick this extention in, isn't there.
[08:58] <|chris3|> I have added them back to xorg.conf and restarted but they still do not show up in the list any ideas?
[08:58] <ArrenLex> mikeh: it will WORK, because the instructions are compatible, but you shouldn't use it.
[08:58] <|chris3|> TWistedSo: i have no fix
[08:58] <akano1n> how can i set eth1 to default to use? not eth0
[08:58] <akano1n> i have to ifdown eth0 to get internet working here
[08:58] <kmitch87> dragonfyre13: lol
[08:59] <dragonfyre13> kmitch87: you like that?
[08:59] <kmitch87> yea;)
[09:00] <dragonfyre13> it just went silent in here.
[09:00] <holycow> akano1n, system / admin / networking, at the bottom it will have a pulldown to set the default eth device
[09:00] <ArrenLex> akano1n: edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and change the "eth0" default to "eth1".
[09:01] <TWiSTEDSO> anyone that got any hints how do solve the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg problems with adding higher resolutions ?
[09:01] <ArrenLex> TWiSTED: what problems are these?
[09:01] <dragonfyre13> TWiSTEDSO: nope.
[09:01] <dragonfyre13> TWiSTEDSO: ArrenLex might.
[09:01] <ArrenLex> TWiSTED: did you get to the part where you select new resolutions?
[09:01] <sidny4> TWiSTEDSO higher resolutions like widescreen resolutions?
[09:01] <akano1n> ArrenLex but i dont have anything inside interfaces that says eth0 default
[09:01] <holycow> TWiSTEDSO, easy.  google your monitor refresh rates, put the horiz and vetical refresh rates into your xorg.conf file
[09:01] <holycow> make sure to back it up first
[09:01] <ArrenLex> TWiSTEDSO: I'm going to say your nae because everyone's doing it.
[09:02] <|chris3|> ArrenLex: not matter what we have tried the new resolutions don't show up
[09:02] <holycow> no need to use dpkg-reconfigure
[09:02] <akano1n> just add default eth1 ?
[09:02] <TWiSTEDSO> arrenlex: cant add higher resolutions , did run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and added 1600x1200 and did restart nothing
[09:02] <dragonfyre13> I'll be back guys. Gotta kill the network for a minute.
[09:02] <holycow> then restart gdm and presto, all the resolution capabilities of your monitor will be available in the resolutio napplet
[09:02] <ArrenLex> akano1n: try holycow's way; he knows what he's talking about.
[09:02] <|chris3|> holycow: I have a plasma tv no google on the res rates
[09:02] <ArrenLex> TWoSTEDSO: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:02] <kmitch87> TWiSTEDSO: did you select from system, preferences, screen resolution?
[09:03] <holycow> |chris3|, you don't have a choice, you need proper frefresh rates for your display device
[09:03] <holycow> now the thing is ...
[09:03] <holycow> if its a plasma tv ... you may only get the minimal resolution capability
[09:03] <TWiSTEDSO> kmitc: yes system
[09:03] <holycow> if its not built for computer work it may not be able to handle all but the basic signal levels
[09:03] <akano1n> yeah i know, but its not working how holycow way, i want to set something inside interfaces to set manually
[09:04] <holycow> akano1n, i don't understand tha tlast statement
[09:04] <martynda> hi, i have installed apache2 and php5 through apt-get in ubuntu, but when i go to a php file, the browser tries to download it, can someone help me out?
[09:04] <|chris3|> ugh....  I hate to say this but windows xp looks great on the tv (dual boot box) and I didn't do anything special to windows to get it to work
[09:04] <holycow> akano1n, i'm just telling you how it works, you cannot get around how it works
[09:04] <ArrenLex> akano1n: if eth0 is your default, then it seems to me that just changing all instances of eth0 to eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces should make eth1 your default, no?
[09:04] <sethk> martynda, the apache configuration must specify that php files are executable scripts to be handled on the server side.
[09:04] <holycow> |chris3|, if xp works on your tv so will linux, it has nothing to do with anything but the components ability to handle the tv out signal
[09:05] <ArrenLex> chris3: do you know what resolution and refresh rate your plasma TV is using in Windows?
[09:05] <holycow> akano1n, how is your plasma tv connected to your computer?
[09:05] <akano1n> this is the problem, i have eth0 (wire) and eth1(wifi), i have to ifdown eth0 to get eth1(wifi) working..
[09:05] <ArrenLex> Oh.
[09:05] <sethk> martynda, in the apache config you'll find a place to add the extension php.  Any directory containing a php file must be specified in the apache config as a directory allowing executable scripts
[09:05] <|chris3|> ArrenLex 1280x768 60mhz
[09:05] <holycow> akano1n, oh sorry dude your not th eplasma guy :)
[09:05] <Nothing_About> NO WORRIES PEOPLE , ive fixed my problem
[09:05] <Nothing_About> i can now install ubuntu
[09:05] <ArrenLex> chirs3: I certainly hope it's not mhz XD
[09:05] <holycow> akano1n, i got you guys mixed up
[09:05] <holycow> sorry
[09:06] <martynda> thanks sethk, i didnt know it was per-directory
[09:06] <|chris3|> lol sorry
[09:06] <akano1n> so it seems that ubuntu is looking first for eth0, when i ifdown eth0, he tries eth1 and it works
[09:06] <ArrenLex> chris3: is the plasma your primary monitor?
[09:06] <|chris3|> arrenlex: yes and linux worked great at the resolution about an hour ago
[09:06] <ArrenLex> chris3: what did you change to make it break
[09:06] <JamieBE> Morning Everyone!
[09:07] <ArrenLex> Whoa, el spanisho.
[09:07] <|chris3|> arrenlex: I installed telnetd and restarted then my correct resoltion was gone
[09:07] <holycow> akano1n, in your /etc/network/interfaces file set auto to eth0 or eth1 ... whichever you want to be default
[09:07] <TWiSTEDSO> ArrenLex: http://pastebin.com/802338
[09:07] <ArrenLex> chris3: if you didn't touch your xorg.conf, try just pressing ctrl+alt+plus (i.e. the plus key on the numpad)
[09:07] <holycow> |chris3|, how is your plasma tv connected to your computer?  just curious
[09:08] <holycow> and since it works on xp then we should be able to get the same resolution here so it looks same
[09:08] <|chris3|> holycox: vga
[09:08] <holycow> what you need to know however is all displays have refresh rates .. and you cannot really (not without some serious haxology) set a resolution manually
[09:09] <holycow> how x works is you give it refresh rates for the potential resolutions, give it potential resolutions and restart x
[09:09] <|chris3|> holycow: please read my last comments to arrenlex about what caused this issue
[09:09] <JamieBE> A few questions this morning maybe some of you can help. Firstly, is there any reason why shares on my internal IDE hard disk share fine over my Samba network with other Windows machines, but my external USB2.0 drive shares all come back as inaccessible when I try to access them over the network?
[09:09] <holycow> what is happening is your default refresh rates calculate out to only that base resolution
[09:09] <dragonfyre13> I'm back
[09:09] <holycow> so you will need to find suitable refresh rates for your tv
[09:10] <akano1n> holycow, i have disable auto eth0, but when i restart, i got eth0 disable...hehehe.. not what i want
[09:10] <dragonfyre13> I'm not going to be active, but if you want me, PM me.
[09:10] <mztriz> how do I create a HFS+ partition I'm trying to dual with OSX
[09:10] <SeraVitae> could anyone suggest an email server for linux that i could use? i wish to setup an IMAP system so i can get my pop3 emails stored on my home server so i can browse them at uni
[09:10] <dragonfyre13> mztriz: you don't. Create it in OSX. It's proprietary.
[09:11] <SeraVitae> actually i'd like some fancy web interface one that had a calendar and stuff in it, but fat chance.
[09:11] <MikeyMike> dragonfyre13,  there's no way to create hfs+ partitions?
[09:11] <holycow> SeraVitae, you will need a couple of servers working together.  a great smtp server is postfix, an a great imap server is cyrus.
[09:11] <holycow> those will let you relay email and access via imap
[09:11] <loper06> please help. im trying 2 setup proftpd and have 2 users w/ different dir permisssions. but i can't get it working. help!
[09:11] <MikeyMike> how might one create it in osx if they do not have osx installed
[09:11] <ArrenLex> chris3: what happens when you press ctrl+alt+plus?
[09:11] <ArrenLex> chris3: what about ctrl+alt+minus?
[09:11] <holycow> you can add a web based interface for cyrus called squirrelmail, its sorta basic but works great
[09:12] <mztriz> dragonfyre13: I was reading this tutorial
[09:12] <mztriz> http://www.teachucomputers.blogspot.com/
[09:12] <SeraVitae> holycow - are they hard to setup?
[09:12] <kmitch87> MikeyMike: OS X automatically creates it in install
[09:12] <JamieBE> Is anyone please able to help with that issue I just mentioned?
[09:12] <holycow> SeraVitae, yes
[09:12] <Arafangion> SeraVitae: You seem to be confusing IMAP with POP3
[09:12] <ArrenLex> TWiSTEDSO: you still there?
[09:12] <SeraVitae> Arafangion - not really.
[09:12] <holycow> SeraVitae, why don't you just download the free version of zimbra
[09:12] <Arafangion> holycow: Cyrus sucks.
[09:12] <SeraVitae> i haev a pop3 account from my isp, which i wish to automatically download onto an imap server, locally.
[09:12] <manofcyrus> emm..
[09:12] <holycow> its all web gui ajaxy stuff and its free
[09:12] <Arafangion> SeraVitae: Ahh, I see.  Use postfix, dovecot, and fetchmail.
[09:13] <TWiSTEDSO> yes
[09:13] <holycow> dovecot?
[09:13] <holycow> dovecot?
[09:13] <holycow> dude what is wrong with you
[09:13] <holycow> SeraVitae, whatever you do don't listen to him
[09:13] <holycow> hehe :)
[09:13] <holycow> i kid!
[09:13] <SeraVitae> _
[09:13] <SeraVitae> so dovecot something to look at?
[09:13] <|chris3|> arrenlex: nothing...
[09:13] <ArrenLex> TWiSTEDSO: is that your ENTIRE xorg.conf?
[09:13] <SeraVitae> or not..
[09:13] <Arafangion> holycow: Dovecot, at the very least, lets you know when it's /not/ working ;)
[09:13] <ArrenLex> chris3: does X start at all for you right now?
[09:13] <holycow> if you want a quick setup tho get zimbra ... you can either install it with their installer or download the vmware appliance from vmware.com
[09:13] <Arafangion> holycow: Cyrus, on the other hand, is utterly silent - working or not
[09:14] <holycow> just google vmware appliance and in like 4 clicks you have it setup
[09:14] <loper06> please help. im trying 2 setup proftpd and have 2 users w/ different dir permisssions. if my home dir is /media/samba can i have user1 to have full access (d/l,u/l,delete, etc) while user2 can only download?
[09:14] <mztriz> kmitch87:http://www.teachucomputers.blogspot.com/ at the bottom of step 3 it says  . Create a new HFS+ partition that is 6 GB using a tool like Partition magic, QTparted, Gparted, etc.
[09:14] <SeraVitae> well see
[09:14] <SeraVitae> this server was a win2k server with mDeamon on it
[09:14] <SeraVitae> with web interface, all custom themes i made, nice n snazzy.
[09:14] <holycow> SeraVitae, yeah just blow that crap away
[09:14] <SeraVitae> so im almost tempted to just run vmware on this box
[09:14] <|chris3|> arrenlex: yes
[09:14] <SeraVitae> and just bring mdaemon back up :/
[09:14] <holycow> SeraVitae, install debian for server, vmware gives you a frewww vmware server to run
[09:14] <holycow> install that
[09:14] <holycow> then download the vmware image if zimbra and just go
[09:15] <holycow> zimbra.com
[09:15] <ArrenLex> chris3: with what resolution?
[09:15] <kmitch87> mztriz: last i checked, gparted didn't fully support hfs+
[09:15] <kmitch87> mztriz:  maybe it does though...
[09:15] <loper06> can some 1 help me with the question above i posted?  thx
[09:15] <mztriz> kmitch82: I know I've been looking around trying to find out how to do this...
[09:15] <|chris3|> arrenlex 1024x768
[09:15] <SeraVitae> ohh that zimbra thing looks sexy.
[09:16] <kmitch87> mztriz: download the gparted livecd
[09:16] <ArrenLex> chris3: and what are you trying to get up to?
[09:16] <MikeyMike> kmitch87,  she's in the live cd
[09:16] <holycow> actually its shit, its an all in one box that acts as ldap and messaging server.  i hate it on principle that its an all in one box, however, you seem to be asking for an all in one box
[09:16] <|chris3|> arrenlex 1280x768
[09:16] <holycow> doesn't sound like you want to roll your own
[09:16] <SeraVitae> holycow - let me see i fi can find a picture of my last setup
[09:16] <mztriz> kmitch82: I'm running off of the ubuntulive cd right now
[09:16] <SeraVitae> which i was pretty content with
[09:17] <Arafangion> What the heck? mdaemon counts as a "feature": Logging
[09:17] <mztriz> kmitch82: could I do this http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=512#3
[09:17] <JamieBE> Is there any reason why shares on my internal IDE hard disk share fine over my Samba network with other Windows machines, but my external USB2.0 drive shares all come back as inaccessible when I try to access them over the network?
[09:17] <|chris3|> arrenlex: that is the native display of my plasma with anything else makes it all streched out
[09:17] <ArrenLex> chirs3: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". Go to "medium" difficulty selection when you get to monitor settings and select 1280x768@60hz, or whatever you said Windows set it up safely as. Also make sure to enable that resolution in the resolution portion.
[09:17] <darrellmarlow> morning
[09:17] <loper06> can anybody w/ plenty of experince w/ proftpd help?
[09:17] <kmitch87> mztriz: i would use the gparted livecd, it uses a more updated partitioner
[09:17] <darrellmarlow> I just installed ubuntu for the first time and I am newb at linux
[09:18] <SeraVitae> Arafangion - mdaemon was nice
[09:18] <darrellmarlow> what do I need to do to play my .mp3 files?
[09:18] <ArrenLex> !mp3
[09:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:18] <SeraVitae> holy wowowow.
[09:18] <aSt3raL> darrellmarlow: xmms
[09:18] <SeraVitae> zimbra is like.
[09:18] <SeraVitae> EXACTLY what i wanted. i'm using thier demo now.
[09:18] <darrellmarlow> all music apps seem to not work
[09:18] <kmitch87> darrelmarlow: fluendo codec works
[09:18] <SeraVitae> it's like outlook only web based.  Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:23] <SeraVitae> holycow - i found the ubuntu install for zimbra, but the vmware images are zimbra+fedora, and on top of that, they are demo's.
[09:23] <darrellmarlow> im so newb
[09:23] <holycow> SeraVitae, dude stop right there
[09:23] <darrellmarlow> this place is great
[09:23] <SeraVitae> should i really run ubuntu --> vmware --> fedora --> zimbra? :p
[09:23] <holycow> SeraVitae, i already told you to download the vmware image of zimbra first
[09:23] <zoidberg> Arafangion: well irc client i am using is FREENODE...which comes default with UBUNTU...so i can somehow confiugre it so it can show me the suers in the channel
[09:23] <holycow> its easier and faster ... you want to run your serverrs in a virtualized environment
[09:23] <SeraVitae> holycow - i'm trying to find the vmware image of zimbra.
[09:23] <Arafangion> zoidberg: Please don't shou.t
[09:23] <JamieBE> AM I VOICED?
[09:23] <holycow> easy backups, easy to blow away, easy to restore
[09:23] <holycow> SeraVitae, google vmware appliance zimbra
[09:23] <holycow> done
[09:23] <darrellmarlow> sweet its working
[09:23] <ClayG> can someone recommend a program for the hp laserjet 4p?
[09:23] <ArrenLex> chris3: sorry, man, I don't want you to blow your fancy Plasma TV up by using the wrong settings or something. =P Is there any chance you can coerce Windows to reveal the proper settiings?
[09:24] <Arafangion> zoidberg: Your *server* is freenode, it does not come "default" with Ubuntu.
[09:24] <Arafangion> zoidberg: Example clients are bitchx, irssi, xchat, gaim, amongst many, many others.
[09:24] <SeraVitae> 1.5GB vmware appliance?
[09:24] <ArrenLex> ClayG: check out linuxprinting.org
[09:24] <|chris3|> arrenlex; no idea
[09:24] <holycow> SeraVitae, why do you care? it has everything including guest os
[09:24] <ClayG> ah man, thanks
[09:24] <darrellmarlow> ok it worked! do i have to install it now?
[09:24] <ClayG> that sounds good
[09:24] <holycow> plus its free
[09:24] <holycow> >_>
[09:24] <holycow> jeebus
[09:24] <darrellmarlow> im sorry but  i have tons of questions
[09:25] <ChocoCid> er
[09:25] <SeraVitae> holycow - Oh, i was just wondering if i should be running linux --> vmware --> linux --> zimbra.
[09:25] <holycow> give em the whole frickin solution for free and they still manage to complain
[09:25] <SeraVitae> on a 433mhz celeron. :p
[09:25] <ChocoCid> "do i have to install it" strikes me as a really odd question
[09:25] <holycow> SeraVitae, well lets consider something here:
[09:25] <darrellmarlow> im just not sure about linux
[09:25] <SeraVitae> darrellmarlow - you just installed it
[09:25] <Arafangion> holycow: Typical clueless windows users, indeed.
[09:25] <zoidberg> Arafangion: sorry my client is xchat....can u help me?
[09:25] <holycow> a) you don't haveto install from scratch which means you save lots and lots of time
[09:25] <SeraVitae> darrellmarlow - type 'xmms' and see what happens
[09:25] <darrellmarlow> I am clueless windows user
[09:25] <darrellmarlow> i said that from the start
[09:25] <holycow> b) you didn't pay for a fricking thing, not a single thing
[09:25] <Arafangion> zoidberg: No, I use irssi.  afaik, xchat already has the user list on the side by default.
[09:25] <SeraVitae> holycow - yeah, that is a good point im not worried at all :)
[09:26] <holycow> c) its all preinstalled and a simple download all clicky clicky
[09:26] <ArrenLex> holycow: who are you yelling at? o_o
[09:26] <SeraVitae> since i was gonna vmware win2k.
[09:26] <loper06> can anybody w/ plenty of experince w/ proftpd help?
[09:26] <loper06> please help. im trying 2 setup proftpd and have 2 users w/ different dir permisssions. if my home dir is /media/samba can i have user1 to have full access (d/l,u/l,delete, etc) while user2 can only download?
[09:26] <holycow> d) considering all that, why not spend like 500$ and get something at least with 1ghz cpu that can run it?
[09:26] <holycow> ArrenLex, i'm not yelling :) just typing fast
[09:26] <holycow> hehe
[09:26] <holycow> SeraVitae, sorry don't mean to sound mean
[09:26] <SeraVitae> holycow - every link for googling points me back to http://www.zimbra.com/community/downloads.html , where they list Zimbra ZCS Virtual Application including Fedora version 4
[09:26] <SeraVitae> just wanted to check if that was correct.
[09:27] <holycow> http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/zimbra.html
[09:27] <holycow> 180mb btw
[09:27] <holycow> oh it does point back to site :)
[09:27] <holycow> hehe
[09:28] <SeraVitae> yeah, to ZCS
[09:28] <reverie> dragonfyre13, still no posty :(
[09:28] <SeraVitae> it must be that torrent/zip then, yeah?
[09:28] <Arafangion> holycow: Have you ever looked at opengroupware?
[09:28] <holycow> yeah, i don't like that
[09:29] <holycow> problem with open groupware is it is based on a terrible application server
[09:29] <holycow> also it uses php, meh :)
[09:29] <Arafangion> holycow: Heh, I don't mind php, but it does make a rather poor choice to do the bulk of code in.
[09:30] <holycow> SeraVitae, you know what? i have the bloody vmware image at th eoffice to play with, i don't remember where on that site i downloaded it from!!!
[09:30] <SeraVitae> heh
[09:30] <SeraVitae> i have unlimited bandwith and don't care so i'll download it anyways
[09:30] <holycow> Arafangion, thats exactly it with groupware things ... they ALWAYS grow beyond their designed spec
[09:30] <Arafangion> SeraVitae: Unlimited, eh?
[09:30] <SeraVitae> the link you gave me to the VTMS thingy, has ZCS
[09:30] <SeraVitae> or rather, seems to have just changed names
[09:30] <Arafangion> SeraVitae: I've only got 1.5mbit/s :(
[09:30] <akano1n> how do i search for a package?
[09:30] <SeraVitae> i have 512kbps unlimited.
[09:30] <reverie> LOL
[09:31] <Arafangion> akano1n: apt-cache search pkg-name
[09:31] <reverie> I have a 384k adsl line
[09:31] <reverie> so don't start
[09:31] <akano1n> thanks
[09:31] <SeraVitae> heh.
[09:31] <Arafangion> SeraVitae: Then, I have three times the bandwidth than you.
[09:31] <reverie> and a 5gb cap!
[09:31] <holycow> zimbra is good for people who want like an all in one one clicky clicky deal and just leave it at that
[09:31] <SeraVitae> dude. that blows :(
[09:31] <kishore> ubotu, zimbra
[09:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zimbra - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:31] <reverie> and it costs us like 10% of my fiance and i's collective salary
[09:31] <Arafangion> SeraVitae: You have unlimited downloads - not unlimited bandwidth.
[09:31] <SeraVitae> holycow - yeah, the demo made my crotch tingle
[09:31] <holycow> i don't like zimbras development approach so if you wanted to do anything else down the road, donno not how i would do things.  its good just for calendaring todo and email
[09:31] <SeraVitae> Arafangion - you need a spliff dude. :D
[09:32] <SeraVitae> you have unlimited seriousness
[09:32] <Arafangion> SeraVitae: Trust me, there's a huge difference when you start managing servers.
[09:32] <SeraVitae> Probably but this is for 1 user. moi
[09:33] <holycow> yeah.  what Arafangion said. but at least this gets him into something right away.  he can learn the rest later.
[09:33] <JamieBE> Am I +v yet?
[09:33] <SeraVitae> i won't be upgrading once it works
[09:33] <Arafangion> holycow: I'm not happy with the current state of calendaring.
[09:33] <ChocoCid> uh
[09:33] <holycow> getting ANYONE off of exchange makes mehappy to begin with
[09:33] <ChocoCid> what the heck @ "am i +v yet"
[09:33] <holycow> Arafangion, lol me too
[09:33] <ChocoCid> nobody's +v in here
[09:33] <holycow> caldav is the way to go, groupdav too
[09:33] <reverie> This is nice, I think Dapper's default kernel has screwed up my vga card
[09:33] <holycow> Arafangion, but no one but open source projects are supporting those things
[09:33] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: Shhh!
[09:34] <holycow> reverie, kernels cannot screw up video cards
[09:34] <holycow> reverie, unless the kernel magically 'flashed' the firmware on your vid card, it ain't happening
[09:34] <holycow> :)
[09:34] <reverie> holycow, I know, I'm just irritated
[09:34] <holycow> reverie, oh sorry don't mean to make it worse!
[09:34] <holycow> hehe
[09:34] <mztriz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273438
[09:34] <Arafangion> holycow: I should code one - a good way to test a "calendar" widget in one of my pet projects, but the real problem with calendaring is that nobody can agree on a damn protocol, except for CalDav, which stinks.
[09:34] <JamieBE> ChocoCid, so why can I ask a question over half an hour 5 times and get no response from the entire room?
[09:34] <klos> hi any native englisch speaker here who got 5 minutes to read a motivation letter for applying to university and maybe correct it ??
[09:34] <reverie> holycow, this is the 4th time trying to get dapper working that after booting and it hanging my box will not post
[09:35] <reverie> and its not faulty hardware
[09:35] <mztriz> klos I'll help
[09:35] <ChocoCid> JamieBE: either nobody saw it or nobody knew the answer
[09:35] <ChocoCid> i suggest asking again
[09:35] <holycow> reverie, ah that has nothing to do with ubuntu
[09:35] <klos> mztriz, query
[09:35] <klos> ah no
[09:35] <klos> i'll nopaste it
[09:35] <holycow> thats a hardware/bios issue, i've had that happen a few times
[09:35] <JamieBE> ChocoCid: Sounds fair. Here it goes...
[09:35] <reverie> holger, don't burst my post-trumatic-kernel-panic-ranting-disorder
[09:35] <Arafangion> JamieBE: Either that the question was pointless, such as "Am I +v yet?"
[09:36] <holycow> Arafangion, #offtopic?
[09:36] <holycow> i'm curious about your thoughts on caldav?
[09:36] <JamieBE> Arafangion, how about you quit breaking my 8-balls?
[09:36] <klos> hm damn no <br> in nopaste
[09:36] <klos> hehe
[09:36] <klos> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/4141/?format=txt
[09:36] <holycow> reverie, heh efunny :)
[09:37] <klos> any bette rpasting service ?
[09:37] <Arafangion> holycow: I haven't honestly studied it much, but I have a major problem with putting all the logic into the application, rather than the server.
[09:37] <mztriz> klos ok
[09:37] <ChocoCid> rafb.net/paste
[09:37] <reverie> holger, but seriously, there's some kernel issue because this has only happened to be with dapper
[09:37] <ChocoCid> (imo)
[09:37] <holycow> Arafangion, oh me too.  are you a coder by trade or?
[09:37] <Arafangion> holycow: I'm studying Software Engineering, I graduate next year.
[09:37] <holycow> Arafangion, ah cool. was just curious
[09:37] <Arafangion> holycow: :)
[09:37] <SeraVitae> how can i change a file association? i just installed azureus but torrents are still linked to the original bittorent software
[09:38] <holycow> caldav is fine imho for web based things as there the logic is on the server
[09:38] <JamieBE> I have a samba setup between this Ubuntu Dapper box, and 2 Windows machines. Shares locally, within /home/ work fine, but I am trying to share folders that exist on an external USB 2.0 hard disk and it keeps coming back as "inaccessible" every time I try. What's that all about? The drive is mounted and the share attribs look spot on.
[09:38] <holycow> caldav clients on the otherhand ... meh
[09:38] <Arafangion> holycow: My summer job is a windows shop, afaik - but I checked their kitchens, and they have decent coffee machines, so that's cool. :)
[09:38] <holycow> Arafangion, i've given up on the client software idea i'm thinking thatmost my needs can be served with a web based interface
[09:38] <klos> mztriz, maybe oyu could gopy it into a text file again, would make it easier to read
[09:38] <holycow> Arafangion, introduce them to the magic of linux bro :)
[09:38] <Arafangion> holycow: Which, incidently, puts the logic on the server side.
[09:39] <drewzf> Is VMWare a viable option if I want to operate in Ubuntu but have access to Windows for PSCS2 & Gaming? Or should I just stick to dual booting?
[09:39] <orbin> !defaultapp > SeraVitae
[09:39] <reverie> holger, you mean the magic of breakign vga cards, right?
[09:39] <holycow> drewzf, not really, too slow and i'm not sure if 3d acceleration is supported
[09:39] <Nothing_about> ok can anyone help me out with a problem i have when i start up ubuntu live cd
[09:39] <drewzf> holycow, stick to dual booting?
[09:40] <mztriz> klos, I already did that heh.
[09:40] <holycow> can anyone confirm 3d acceleratio nsupport for windows guests under vmware?
[09:40] <Arafangion> holycow: afaik, vmware does support 3d accel (partially)
[09:40] <klos> mztriz, are oyu in another network to query doenst work here
[09:40] <holycow> drewzf, i would yes, infact i would use separate hard drives.  games take up a lot of room these days
[09:40] <holycow> Arafangion, ah really? enough to play games?
[09:40] <drewzf> I have a very capable system. 2GB RAM, dual core AMD 4600+
[09:40] <Arafangion> holycow: It's one of the major technical advantages over qemu + kqemu. (VMware's other advantage is that it's much more polished)
[09:40] <Nothing_about> the live cd loads and at the stage of loading kernal gets ome kind of hdc command not ready or something
[09:40] <Nothing_about> and then loads normaly
[09:41] <SeraVitae> thanks orbin
[09:41] <Nothing_about> after that it does the system check or something
[09:41] <Arafangion> holycow: My 1.3 GHz system has trouble with many 3D games, I don't think vmware has a chance regardless of 3d accel.
[09:41] <drewzf> I have seperate HDD's, my Ubuntu install is on a 320GB SATA, Windows is on a 170GB nothing-special Maxtor.
[09:41] <Arafangion> drewzf: No shit!
[09:41] <Arafangion> drewzf: :)
[09:41] <holycow> Arafangion, lol, i don't play games.  my trusty 1.4 ghz thunderbird cpu here can handle pretty much anything
[09:41] <drewzf> <3 sarcasm.
[09:41] <holycow> there isn't such a thing as a slow computer any more imho except for certain specific tasks
[09:41] <holycow> actually
[09:41] <Arafangion> holycow: But they all play nethack rather nicely :)
[09:41] <drewzf> Well, can I configure grub to select a specific Windows install from my secondary HDD?
[09:41] <holycow> imho if it wasn't for games people would of stopped upgrading after 1 ghz cpus i think
[09:42] <ChocoCid> nah
[09:42] <holycow> drewzf, yes
[09:42] <drewzf> holycow, How? #grub?
[09:42] <Nothing_about> and then Starts to load ubuntu , upon the ubuntu splash screen popup it loads all the stuff then it gets stuck loading , !! Nautilus !! and i dont know what do to but turn off my pc .
[09:42] <Nothing_about> So can anyone tell me what Nautilus is
[09:42] <holycow> drewzf, the trick is to install windows first on its own hd ... windows always wants to be on c:
[09:42] <Arafangion> holycow: It still surprises me that many people, expecially windows users, obsess about CPU performance, and still just pack 512MB or so of RAM into the system.
[09:42] <klos> file manager
[09:42] <Momal> could not open default font 'fixed' <-- anyone know a fix?
[09:43] <klos> Arafangion, right :P
[09:43] <Nothing_about> Does anyone have any ideas
[09:43] <Nothing_about> or could plz tell me what Nautilus is ?
[09:43] <Arafangion> holycow: Especially with .NET and Java being so ram heavy (And pathetically pathetic with swap)
[09:43] <drewzf> holycow, Windows has been installed first on it's own HDD, but my 1st install is my Vista beta (crap) and I'd prefer to select XP without deleting Vista.
[09:43] <JamieBE> Nothing_about - Check your PM
[09:43] <Arafangion> Nothing_about: Nautilus is Nautilus.  I hear that it's supposed to be some kind of file manager, but who knows what it really is.
[09:43] <klos> drewzf, how's vista
[09:44] <klos> whats new
[09:44] <drewzf> klos, Very sexy. Needs a lot of work.
[09:44] <Nothing_about> ok so how do i check my pm
[09:44] <drewzf> Not stable yet, sadly.
[09:44] <holycow> drewzf, you can, grub needs to installed as the bootloader on that sector instead of the windows bootloader ... then you tell grub where everything is
[09:44] <klos> looks better than xgl
[09:44] <klos> ?
[09:44] <drewzf> And a very large number of games can cause very large problems.
[09:44] <drewzf> IMHO, yes.
[09:44] <JamieBE> Nothing_about -  if you press ALT and F2 together and type in nautilus, it will open and you can see what it is. You will kick you will kick yourself! :)
[09:44] <Nothing_about> and all im trying to do is going into live cd , and install ubuntu from the desktop
[09:44] <klos> :P
[09:44] <Arafangion> drewzf: The #winehq folks are saying that soon, they will be more compatible than windows itself.
[09:44] <drewzf> I doubt it.
[09:45] <Arafangion> drewzf: Well, vista doesn't support DX9
[09:45] <drewzf> is #winehq Cedega or WINE?
[09:45] <holycow> drewzf, an easy way to do it without learning grub is to reinstall ubuntu on the second hd, ubuntu installer will recognize the windows partitions ... so you tell ubuntu to install to hd grub to install to boot sector on other hd and voila
[09:45] <drewzf> Arafangion, there are hacks.
[09:45] <ChocoCid> #winehq is WINE
[09:45] <holycow> drewzf, of course make sure you have backups
[09:45] <hazexp> drewzf: WINE
[09:45] <Arafangion> drewzf: Such as?
[09:46] <holycow> Arafangion, i agree, i max out all my machines with ram
[09:46] <loper06> please help. im trying 2 setup proftpd and have 2 users w/ different dir permisssions. if my home dir is /media/samba can i have user1 to have full access (d/l,u/l,delete, etc) while user2 can only download?
[09:46] <drewzf> Arafangion, You can emulate XP & x86 when installing DX9, it requires some dll re-placement. There are guides available.
[09:46] <Arafangion> holycow: I want to stick another GB of ram into this lappy, but gotta get some money first :(
[09:46] <holycow> the eternal student cunundrum
[09:46] <ChocoCid> heh
[09:46] <holycow> to eat or to buy hardware
[09:46] <holycow> >_>
[09:46] <ChocoCid> we need to get a Open Hardware movement going
[09:46] <ChocoCid> so we can get Free/Open Hardware
[09:47] <holycow> Arafangion, kimchi noodles for the next few months?
[09:47] <drewzf> I've found so many incompatibilities with wine it's nerve racking.
[09:47] <holycow> hehe
[09:47] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: Already done.
[09:47] <holycow> :)
[09:47] <ChocoCid> Arafangion: link to free hardware plz
[09:47] <drewzf> wracking or racking... I think it's wracking.
[09:47] <Arafangion> holycow: Bah, only Hokkien noodles are decent.
[09:47] <ChocoCid> wracking, yeah
[09:47] <hazexp> open hardware, it's been done, in terms of open source hardware
[09:47] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: The Sun Niagara is supposed to be one.
[09:47] <hazexp> yeah
[09:47] <holycow> lol ... a CONNESEUR!
[09:47] <drewzf> I like Cedega's system, just not their principals.
[09:47] <holycow> :)
[09:47] <ChocoCid> heh
[09:48] <ChocoCid> i specifically threw the "fre" in there for a reason
[09:48] <ChocoCid> *free
[09:48] <Arafangion> holycow: Don't get me started with coffee ;)
[09:48] <holycow> what do you guys mean open hardware has beendone?
[09:48] <holycow> hardly
[09:48] <holycow> where are the motherboards with openbios?
[09:48] <holycow> where are the properly documented components?
[09:48] <Arafangion> holycow: There's "LinuxBios".
[09:48] <drewzf> If I re-install GRUB on my Ubuntu install will it re-detect my HDD's?
[09:48] <holycow> Arafangion, yes but no mobos
[09:48] <drewzf> I've been getting an error with my Vista install detection, it says I need to run chkdisk, which Vista doesn't prompt me for.
[09:48] <holycow> and linux bios is just a bios bootloader btw, its now part of openbios :)
[09:49] <Arafangion> holycow: And I saw an article saying that someone was making open video cards.
[09:49] <holycow> Arafangion, thats the only project yes
[09:49] <holycow> and i will be installing those cards on every single system
[09:49] <Arafangion> holycow: How much are they?
[09:49] <hazexp> Open Hardware doesn't mean that it has to be free to buy, it means that the information on recreating the same hardware must be free
[09:49] <holycow> its a nifty project infact, i think they will do some unique things with it
[09:49] <hazexp> http://www.opencollector.org/Whyfree/open_hardware.html
[09:49] <ChocoCid> open video cards?
[09:49] <ChocoCid> link link link
[09:49] <drewzf> There's open hardware. Get a job at best buy, drop a system off the truck into some bushes near your home, come back for it later and scrap it XD. Unethical, but what's ethical nowadays?
[09:50] <chendo> is there a way to get dhcpd to automatically update the DNS?
[09:50] <holycow> Arafangion, i don't know, i think expensive at first because are using those reprogramable cpus
[09:50] <Arafangion> holycow: That's what I thought. :(
[09:50] <holycow> so they will at first service various niches
[09:50] <Arafangion> holycow: Personally, I feel they should try and get the cost down as much as possible, and stuff them into laptops.
[09:50] <wickedpuppy> ChocoCid, http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/28/018227
[09:51] <holycow> Arafangion, they are working on those as well ... something about embedded solutions
[09:51] <Arafangion> holycow: It's not like they're competing with the likes of ATI, so surely they can target the budget market.
[09:51] <holycow> Arafangion, in any case it doesn't matter if the first ones are expensive i want them to be profitable right away
[09:51] <hawkaloogie> what's the best method for packet scheduling on Linux? HTB?
[09:51] <hazexp> Wireshark
[09:51] <hazexp> whoops
[09:51] <holycow> they have the right phiolosphical reasoning so if they can build up the open source market they should be able to get the cheap stuff out in a few generations
[09:51] <hazexp> nope, I was thinking sniffing
[09:51] <hazexp> nvm
[09:52] <holycow> Arafangion, hard to actually compete in the budget market a 50$ nvidia is very powerfull :)
[09:52] <klos> mztriz, lets joins #blablup
[09:52] <Arafangion> holycow: In desktops, perhaps - but laptops are entirely different.
[09:52] <holycow> but having a trully open vid card, i think thats wroth a heck of a lot to me
[09:52] <hawkaloogie> i have to make a choice of BSD or Linux on my gateway computer, and I'd like it to be ubuntu-server, but I can't find anything like PF (or nearly as easy to use)
[09:53] <wickedpuppy> whats PF ?
[09:53] <hazexp> pfsense
[09:53] <hazexp> firewall
[09:53] <Arafangion> hawkaloogie: You have iptables on linux, which is ok, not as nicely documented as PF, though.
[09:53] <Arafangion> hawkaloogie: pfsense?
[09:53] <hawkaloogie> pf is packetfilter
[09:53] <holycow> hawkaloogie, i would use bsd if that is what you are familar with ... it makes a great solution for that kinda thing
[09:54] <Arafangion> hawkaloogie: If you've just got a rather basic firewall requirement - masq, blocking ports, etc, only two nic's, one external, one internal, etc, check out shorewall
[09:54] <Arafangion> hawkaloogie: Or just install OpenBSD
[09:54] <hawkaloogie> nono, i need scheduling. i need bandwidth limiting, i need reverse proxy, i need a whole bunch of stuff ;-)
[09:54] <sethk> hawkaloogie, bsd has what you want, so why do you not want to use it?
[09:54] <valehru> Is there a recommended solution for editing/creating Flash/swf files in linux?
[09:54] <sethk> hawkaloogie, I use NetBSD for my firewalls.
[09:54] <holycow> valehru, it cannot be done, you need macromedia flash ide
[09:54] <hawkaloogie> i tried OpenBSD, and am concerned about it's bass-ackwards nature
[09:54] <Arafangion> hawkaloogie: Ahh, so you don't just want a firewall.
[09:55] <Arafangion> hawkaloogie: How so?
[09:55] <valehru> holycow, le bugger....oh well..thanks
[09:55] <sethk> hawkaloogie, netbsd
[09:55] <holycow> there is a flash4linux ide under development but its pre alpha and the dude could really use some help
[09:55] <hazexp> hawkaloogie: What are you looking for in a gateway computer? Because I've always been partial to IPCop Firewall www.ipcop.org
[09:55] <Arafangion> hawkaloogie: The only problem with OpenBSD, imho, is it's hardware support.
[09:55] <hawkaloogie> sethk, NetBSD has nice packages for apache2? and more... current software?
[09:55] <sethk> hawkaloogie, yes
[09:55] <hawkaloogie> Arafangion, surprisingly, i got it to work on an extremely old computer with ISA cards
[09:55] <sethk> hawkaloogie, they just posted an update a few days ago; go on their site and get the specifics.
[09:55] <hawkaloogie> anyway, i should get back on-topic
[09:56] <hawkaloogie> thanks sethk and Arafangion
[09:56] <Arafangion> hawkaloogie: Yes, but I doubt you'll get excellent performance out of a 2GHz system with 4 GB RAM.
[09:56] <hawkaloogie> Arafangion, i'll keep that in mind w/ openbsd (i just run it for a mail server right now)
[09:56] <mztriz> klos, I haven't forgotten about you (just an FYI that I"m still editing your paper)
[09:57] <Arafangion> That reminds me, it'd be cool if OpenBSD was ported to Xen.\
[09:57] <klos> mztriz, lets joins #blablup
[09:57] <klos> :P
[09:57] <mztriz> ok
[09:57] <Arafangion> Make a great virtual system. :)
[09:57] <reza> help plz! after upgrading to edgy i can not run X, failed to load module "vesa" (module requirement mismatch 0) and some more errors any help?
[09:57] <CromagDK> tried askine ppl in #ubuntu+1 ?
[09:58] <ghostshadow189> hi all , will screen resolution in gnome change , if i change it in icewm ?
[09:59] <Normal> Does Ubuntu recognize Usb flash drives?
[09:59] <SeraVitae> yes
[09:59] <Normal> SeraVitae: yes, who?
[10:00] <hazexp> to you
[10:00] <hawkaloogie> Normal, yes, it does
[10:00] <wickedpuppy> Normal, it does ... i am using tons of usb drives
[10:00] <Normal> Where does it show up?
[10:00] <deFrysk> ghostshadow189, gets a no
[10:00] <holycow> just an icon on your desktop
[10:00] <RawSewage> how do you join mulitpart .avi
[10:00] <wickedpuppy> Normal, on the desktop + /media
[10:01] <RawSewage> ok thx
[10:01] <Normal> Neither nor for me
[10:01] <RawSewage> oh, youre not talking to me
[10:01] <davin> Hi, how do I rename a file from the shell?
[10:01] <wickedpuppy> LOL
[10:01] <mickreal> rm
[10:01] <mickreal> haha nah, mv filename
[10:01] <wickedpuppy> mickreal, that will remove
[10:01] <mickreal> was joking
[10:02] <wickedpuppy> mickreal, pls do not joke .. if it was important file ...
[10:02] <mickreal> mv filename newfilename
[10:02] <Normal> Well, I'll add it to the list of parts that don't work for me: Graphics card, Sound card, and now Usb drive...ahhhh
[10:02] <davin> cheers
[10:02] <mickreal> won't joke about that again.. ;)
[10:02] <eL_PuaS> Has my card intel i810 acceleration 3D?
[10:02] <reza> help plz! after upgrading to edgy i can not run X, failed to load module "vesa" (module requirement mismatch 0) and some more errors any help?
[10:02] <wickedpuppy> Normal, unplug ... dmesg .. plug in .. dmesg .. check if ther is any error .. if so pls paste
[10:02] <Flannel> reza: #ubuntu+1 for edgy support
[10:03] <Arafangion> Normal: Which graphics card? Which sound card? Which USB drive?
[10:03] <orbin> RawSewage: cd into the directory and then: cat *.avi > joined.avi
[10:03] <hazexp> Normal: What FS is your USB Drive formatted as? FAT16/32 or NTFS or other?
[10:03] <Arafangion> Normal: I've only come across *one* usb drive that didn't work, and that was a wierd one.
[10:03] <RawSewage> orbin, ty
[10:03] <wickedpuppy> will that join the avi like ... edited by sony vega ?
[10:04] <wickedpuppy> then why the hell people buy sony vega ?
[10:04] <Nothing_about> hey i need some help
[10:04] <orbin> RawSewage: that joins all the avi files in the dir though.  if you want just one or two, replace the *.avi bit
[10:04] <Nothing_about> while the ubuntu was loading kernal , the hardware drivers where not found and has faild or something
[10:04] <Nothing_about> what do i do ?
[10:04] <Normal> wickedpuppy: dmesg?  Arafangion: 6600 GT , Audigy 4 SE, and my usbs name has worn off...But crap, 2.6.9 is the only kernel that works for me. 2.6.15 all freeze
[10:04] <EspenBe> Why are the net-services in inet.d listening to tcp6?  I have to use v4 in a few cases.  How can I do that?
[10:04] <RawSewage> orbin, it knows about .001  .002  etc?
[10:04] <Nothing_about> to fix this problem
[10:04] <Wespe> hi, what does "Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "liblighthouseblue.so"" MEAN?
[10:04] <mickreal> Nothing: during bootup?
[10:04] <Arafangion> Normal: Let me guess... ATI?
[10:04] <orbin> RawSewage: yes, i've joined rar files that way
[10:04] <RawSewage> ok
[10:04] <wickedpuppy> Normal, type dmesg ... you will see what i mean .. i gotta go cya
[10:04] <Nothing_about> yeh during live cd boot up
[10:05] <Wespe> and how can I fix it?
[10:05] <Nothing_about> while its loading kernal
[10:05] <Nothing_about> and uncomprassing or something
[10:05] <mickreal> hmm, i've had this during normal bootup and it's been the video card drivers
[10:05] <mickreal> were set to nvidia, i changed to nv and didn't have the problem again
[10:05] <Normal> What do I do with the info spit out by dmesg?
[10:05] <Nothing_about> also it cant find my bios , manufacuture etc files or soemthing
[10:05] <mickreal> don't know about live cd boot though
[10:05] <Arafangion> Normal: Paste it to the pastebin
[10:06] <Nothing_about> yeh im trying to install ubuntu
[10:06] <_rockstar> Hm, anyone have the fglrx driver working in edgy?
[10:06] <Nothing_about> and it loads up live cd
[10:06] <Nothing_about> doing this on my lame laptop i think somethings wrong
[10:06] <Flannel> _rockstar: #ubuntu+1 for edgy
[10:06] <mickreal> did you do install to hard drive?
[10:06] <Nothing_about> no
[10:06] <Nothing_about> i cant install ubuntu without
[10:06] <mickreal> you using desktop or server?
[10:06] <Nothing_about> going threw live cd
[10:06] <Nothing_about> desktop
[10:06] <Normal> I see my usb drive's there, it just doesn't come up in media or the desktop
[10:07] <Nothing_about> the newest version , ubuntu desktop 6.06
[10:07] <mickreal> don't think i can help you sorry, i'm using server and did a install to harddrive
[10:07] <Nothing_about> yeh well ive tried the live cd out on my main comp
[10:07] <Nothing_about> that im using now
[10:07] <Wespe> what does "Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "liblighthouseblue.so"" mean and how can I fix it?
[10:07] <Nothing_about> and everything worked fine
[10:07] <Nothing_about> on the desktop was a install file
[10:08] <mickreal> maybe it is the laptop then??
[10:08] <Arafangion> Wespe: What the heck is "liblighthouseblue.so"?
[10:08] <ChocoCid> think that's an image file?
[10:08] <Nothing_about> yeh thats what im saying but still linux should support 128mb or ram and 700mhz cpu
[10:08] <Wespe> Arafangion: i really don't know
[10:08] <mickreal> indeed it should
[10:08] <Nothing_about> its not like im installing windows vista on the hting
[10:08] <Flannel> Nothing_about: linux does.
[10:08] <Arafangion> Normal: Linux _does_ support 128mb of ram.
[10:08] <mickreal> hehe ubuntu is better anyway :)
[10:09] <Nothing_about> yeh so im just wondering why there are these problems of loading live cd
[10:09] <Arafangion> Normal: Heck, I've run it on a 24MB system for quite some time./
[10:09] <Nothing_about> and so i can install ubuntu and replace windows xp
[10:09] <Arafangion> Nothing: Ahh, that's a disadvantage of live cd's in general.
[10:09] <Flannel> Nothing_about: because it's loading the entire OS into your ram
[10:09] <Nothing_about> yeh that might be it
[10:09] <mnepton> Nothing_about: the Live CD *plus* the installation routine requires a bit more than 128MB. either get the alternate CD, or try Xubuntu, which may be a better match for the slower hardware.
[10:09] <Normal> I have 2Gb of RAM
[10:09] <Flannel> Nothing_about: and reading additional stuff off the CD, at CD speed
[10:09] <whatever_> can someone tell me how to stop xserver without it auto-loading the xserver again...i'm using the "sudo killall Xorg" cmd
[10:10] <Arafangion> Nothing_about: And the CD can't use any swap files, either.
[10:10] <mickreal> so the live cd loads and then gives a drivers error?
[10:10] <Flannel> whatever_: sudo /etc/init.d/[somethign xserverish]  stop
[10:10] <Nothing_about> ok
[10:10] <Arafangion> whatever_: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[10:10] <Nothing_about> no live cd loads
[10:10] <Nothing_about> but while kernal loading the hardware files where not found
[10:10] <Nothing_about> and has faild to locate
[10:10] <whatever_> ok i will try those, ty
[10:10] <Nothing_about> but thing is it still loads up the splash screen of ubuntu
[10:11] <holycow> Nothing_about, well don't worry about it
[10:11] <holycow> it works
[10:11] <mnepton> Nothing_about: but  .... you just said you had booted the Live CD and saw the desktop and installer.
[10:11] <holycow> whats the problem?
[10:11] <Nothing_about> yeh ive loaded the live cd from my main computer
[10:11] <Nothing_about> that runs it normaly
[10:11] <Nothing_about> so i tried it on my slow laptop
[10:12] <holycow> and your surprised about what?
[10:12] <holycow> its a live cd
[10:12] <Nothing_about> which needs an OS besides windows xp to use on it
[10:12] <holycow> its A LOT slower than if you had it on the hd
[10:12] <josi> hi, can anybody remove the global ban for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for the channels #ubuntu-de and #ubuntu-de-treffpunkt?
[10:12] <Flannel> josi: #ubuntu-ops
[10:12] <mickreal> Nothing: so you are booting the live cd right?
[10:12] <mnepton> Nothing_about: have you tried one of the -alternate CDs?
[10:12] <Nothing_about> Well the thing is it got to the ubuntu splash screen and has stoped loading , from Nautilus
[10:12] <Nothing_about> no i havnt tried the alternate cds
[10:13] <mickreal> why don't you install it to the hdd?
[10:13] <Nothing_about> but thats because it got to the splash screen to load gnome an all that
[10:13] <mnepton> Nothing_about: try the Xubuntu alternate CD on that laptop. it should install fine.
[10:13] <holycow> Nothing_about, well itgs a live cd
[10:13] <mickreal> that way it's not maxing out your ram
[10:13] <holycow> Nothing_about, you don't have enough ram it seems
[10:13] <Nothing_about> well 128mb of ram i thought would be enuff to run linux
[10:13] <Nothing_about> but for the live cd there are alot of problems
[10:13] <peace-keeper> anyone know a good hex editor with low level disk/partition access ?
[10:13] <mickreal> not if it's loading the livecd into 128
[10:14] <SeraVitae> Nothing_about - live cd is chunky as hell.
[10:14] <mnepton> Nothing_about: try the Xubuntu alternate CD on that laptop. it should install fine. (x2)
[10:14] <Flannel> Nothing_about: it is .  not to run linux from a lvieCD
[10:14] <mickreal> that won't be enough... do and install to the hdd
[10:14] <holycow> Nothing_about, dude, which part of LIVE CD don't you get?
[10:14] <deFrysk> 128 is pretty low
[10:14] <holycow> it has to LOAD EVERYTHING INTO RAM
[10:14] <holycow> jesus
[10:14] <deFrysk> I would use xubuntu with 128
[10:14] <SeraVitae> that said i am on a 433mhz celeron with 192mb of ram, running ubuntu + azureus.
[10:14] <SeraVitae> takes about 5-10 seconds to bring up the applications menu. :D
[10:14] <Nothing_about> ok
[10:14] <mickreal> if ubuntu is installed on the hdd it can run with 128 ram
[10:14] <Nothing_about> well ill go and download xubuntu
[10:14] <Flannel> Nothing_about: download the alternate ISO
[10:14] <Nothing_about> thnxz for the help pplz
[10:15] <mickreal> if you're live cding it, you'll max out the ram as it's loading it to there
[10:15] <mnepton> Nothing_about: and get the *alternate* CD :)
[10:15] <peace-keeper> i have an athlon500 and 768mb ram, and winxp is about twice as fast as ubuntu
[10:15] <deFrysk> alternate yes!
[10:15] <mickreal> mnepton: not necessary
[10:15] <Nothing_about> yes i understand live cd needs to laod the whole OS into ram
[10:15] <SeraVitae> if installing to a low-end box it is better to install ubuntu server-style
[10:15] <SeraVitae> then apt-get unbuntu desktop
[10:15] <SeraVitae> or alternate cd.. but not livecd.
[10:15] <holycow> peace-keeper, lol, your running a live cd too?
[10:15] <holycow> *sigh*
[10:15] <Flannel> alternate CD is good, even if you want to install a server you can
[10:16] <deFrysk> peace-keeper, with or without spyware- virus-scanner and firewall ?
[10:16] <mickreal> i agree with Sera, install the server then apt-get install desktop
[10:16] <peace-keeper> no, hard disk
[10:16] <Nothing_about> lol sorry for the questions just new at this whole linux stuff
[10:16] <mickreal> Nothing: all good, gotta start somewhere
[10:16] <Flannel> no need to install server, install via alternate
[10:16] <unfknblvbl> !codec
[10:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:16] <Nothing_about> ok ill install from alternate iso
[10:16] <unfknblvbl> !mp3
[10:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:16] <gath> hi, i need some help on ACPI - ubuntu won't power off my computer
[10:16] <mnepton> Nothing_about: no worries. you're just trying to get a graphical Linux system onto older hardware. not gonna happen with a LiveCD without issues. use the alternate CD to install Xubuntu and you'll be good.
[10:16] <holycow> Nothing_about, its okay, yeah what mickreal said.  the important thing is not to jump to conclusions, but learn why things work the way they do.  that will make it a lot more fun
[10:16] <gath> any experts around? :)
[10:17] <orbin> hello.  what do people play FLVs with?  totem-xine + w32codecs loads them fine, but i get no sound and the video stutters.
[10:17] <peace-keeper> face the truth, linux is nice for techies, but as a desktop OS it's slower and less reliable than win xp :)
[10:17] <ubunt_> hi. i run dapper on vmware player and the highest resolution that i can choose in preferences is 1024.786, but i need 1280x1024. how to do it?
[10:17] <holycow> gath, usually no, but ask anyway :)
[10:17] <Nothing_about> yeh well im off to download the alternate iso right now
[10:17] <mickreal> it's not less reliable than xp when you can use it
[10:18] <mickreal> though it is less reliable than xp when learning it
[10:18] <holycow> or slower, heh
[10:18] <gath> holycow, i've tried all sorts of kernel options like acpi=force, acpi=off, acpi=on, nolapic, etc, but nothing works
[10:18] <holycow> gath,  nothing works what tho?
[10:18] <mnepton> peace-keeper: i really appreciate that you took the time to back up those seemingly subjective statements with facts. makes it much easier not to label you an idiot troll. :)
[10:18] <mickreal> hahaha @ mnepton
[10:18] <gath> holycow, all processes are killed but it stops at powering off the monitor and the computer
[10:18] <mickreal> good calll
[10:18] <Munksgaard> boing boing
[10:18] <peace-keeper> just saying my experience, ive spent a lot of time on ubuntu
[10:19] <peace-keeper> and dont insult me plz
[10:19] <holycow> gath, so its just not shutting down?
[10:19] <gath> holycow, right
[10:19] <mickreal> peace-keeper - don't insult the majority then ;)
[10:19] <gath> holycow, the last message I see is [x.y]  Power down.
[10:19] <Juhaz> it's not an insult to call an idiot troll a idiot troll
[10:19] <gath> holycow,  x and y being "random" numbers
[10:19] <peace-keeper> i dont insult anyone
[10:19] <holycow> gath, *hmm* thats too esoteric a qeustion for me, i don't know actually.  i'm sorry :/ maybe someone else has a clue.
[10:19] <gath> holycow, ok thanks
[10:19] <mickreal> peace-keeper - ignorance is bliss ;)
[10:20] <peace-keeper> i just say that as a desktop OS i find ubuntu slower, more complicated and less reliable than win xp
[10:20] <mnepton> gath: have you tried acpi=off apm=on ?
[10:20] <peace-keeper> if its not allowed to say that in here, kick me out
[10:20] <holycow> peace-keeper, spending lots of time on ubntu and actually knowing whats going on are two different things
[10:20] <mickreal> maybe you should upgrade your hardware
[10:20] <Cartas> Could someone please help me with Ubuntu + Wine + WoW?
[10:20] <gath> holycow, yep
[10:20] <holycow> peace-keeper, why not try us and explain where xp excels over linux
[10:20] <holycow> lets see if we can bat them down
[10:20] <holycow> peace-keeper, okay so:
[10:20] <mickreal> Cartas - try automatix for wine, don't know about WoW though
[10:21] <holycow> slower - what does this mean? video response? applications? what?
[10:21] <peace-keeper> 1: it's twice as fast on my machine, 2. i does not crash every day, 3. it is much easier to use (ok i understand the last one may be a matter of learning..)
[10:21] <Cartas> mickreal: Is that a channel, or a person?
[10:21] <holycow> complicated - this is wrong, everything is open to you and if you want to you can modify whatever you want.  xp is closed and you cant modify anything
[10:21] <mnepton> gath: have you looked at BIOS settings relating to power management? what software infterface does the BIOS expect? ACPI or APM?
[10:21] <ChocoCid> we have a fanboy
[10:21] <Jesse1984> hey ppl, im having a hell of a time trying to install ubuntu 6.06, i have read all sorts of faq's and help docs u guys have pointed me too and still no luck.  Is there a way to delete grub, mbr and format hard drive and start fresh???
[10:21] <holycow> more reliable - don't let me start laughing
[10:21] <mickreal> Carta - apt-get install automatix
[10:21] <holycow> sorry that last one is just wrong on levels i can't begin to imagine
[10:21] <peace-keeper> dont get me wrong, i like linux, but as a desktop OS it's still disappointing for me
[10:22] <Cartas> Oh
[10:22] <gath> mnepton, my bios supports ACPI
[10:22] <ChocoCid> sure, Jesse1984, just reinstall from scratch and select the reformat option on the install
[10:22] <holycow> 1. on your machine, what does 'slow mean' ... what is slow?
[10:22] <gath> mnepton, and i've enabled everything i possibly can
[10:22] <gath> mnepton, if it means anything, xp shuts down without a hitch
[10:22] <holycow> 2. ubuntu doesn't crash, if yours crashes yhou screwed something up. seriously
[10:22] <Arafangion> peace-keeper: Indeed, sucks much less than windows, though - the best I've seen is probably Mac OS X.
[10:22] <mnepton> gath: maybe that's the issue? what happens if you use only a barbeones feature set in the BIOS?
[10:22] <Jesse1984> chococid: u mean with the alternate cd?
[10:22] <ChocoCid> no, on the normal cd
[10:22] <ChocoCid> when you go through the normal GUI install on the livecd
[10:22] <Jesse1984> live cd?
[10:22] <ChocoCid> yeah
[10:22] <Arafangion> holycow: Ubuntu doesn't crash?
[10:23] <gath> mnepton, so you're suggesting i disable some of the options?
[10:23] <holycow> 3. yes the last one is learning, 15 years of learning ONE ui is a lot different from understaining the principal interface guidlines
[10:23] <ChocoCid> on step 3 or 4 when it asks you what you want to do with your hard drive
[10:23] <gath> mnepton, ... in the bios
[10:23] <peace-keeper> slow means: firefox takes about 10 seconds to start, windows paint slowly, even switching tasks sometimes takes a few seconds
[10:23] <hazexp> Jesse1984: If you want to wipe the MBR, use a DOS boot disk, then run "fdisk /mbr"
[10:23] <holycow> Arafangion, it doesn't because 'ubuntu crashes' makes no sense
[10:23] <mnepton> gath: quite so.
[10:23] <ChocoCid> select "reformat"
[10:23] <Arafangion> peace-keeper: Are you hitting swap?
[10:23] <mnepton> peace-keeper: running the correct kernel for your CPU?
[10:23] <gath> mnepton, what makes you think that would work?
[10:24] <Jesse1984> chococid: yeh it wont do it! i have tried and it sits at the "installing system" part for like 15mins then shuts down everytime!?
[10:24] <occultis>  timhaughton
[10:24] <Arafangion> mnepton: Nearly irrelevent.
[10:24] <peace-keeper> i think swap is no problem, i have 768 ram
[10:24] <Jesse1984> hazexp: ok i will try that thanks
[10:24] <peace-keeper> yes maybe my kernel is wrong?
[10:24] <ChocoCid> uh
[10:24] <mnepton> Arafangion: not in the least. i see drastic changes in all sorts of things between 386 and 686smp
[10:24] <ChocoCid> how much swap did you set for linux?
[10:24] <holycow> peace-keeper, windows don't paint slowly, you don't have proper drivers installed then
[10:24] <josh_> Hello, does anybody here have any experience with ifolder?
[10:24] <peace-keeper> is "2.6.15-27-k7 #1 SMP PREEMPT" right for athlon 500 ?
[10:24] <mnepton> peace-keeper: looks good
[10:24] <mtymobile> hi
[10:24] <Arafangion> peace-keeper: Open a console, run top, hit 'M', sorting tasks by memory useage, and show us the output.
[10:24] <holycow> peace-keeper, if your system crashes, you screwed something  up big time.  it litterally doesn't happen unless you do something dumb
[10:25] <peace-keeper> it sometimes crashes when doing multimedia stuff like playing movies, listening to internet radio..
[10:25] <ChocoCid> no, windows does that, linux doesn't
[10:25] <EspenBe> Try again: Why are the net-services in /etc/inet.d listening to tcp6?  I have to use v4 in a few cases.  How can I do that?
[10:25] <holycow> peace-keeper, what crashes?
[10:25] <holycow> the whole system?
[10:25] <mickreal> peace-keeper: could be your hardware for the video stuff
[10:25] <holycow> or just the app?
[10:25] <mtymobile> ehi pals is there a way to run an init.d script at device activation with udev????
[10:25] <peace-keeper> whole system freezes, can't even switch to console
[10:26] <mickreal> maybe video drivers??
[10:26] <holycow> peace-keeper, your drivers are crashing
[10:26] <holycow> please configure drivers properly
[10:26] <ChocoCid> yeah it's a video card issue
[10:26] <peace-keeper> i installed some "legacy" video drivers according to some ubuntu FAQ
[10:26] <Arafangion> peace-keeper: Which drivers are you using?
[10:26] <peace-keeper> nvidia
[10:26] <ChocoCid> why would you install legacy video drivers...
[10:26] <holycow> peace-keeper, so you screwed up your config and you blame the system?
[10:26] <holycow> nice
[10:26] <peace-keeper> fu, i didnt screw up anything
[10:26] <ChocoCid> uh, yeah, legacy nvidia drivers instead of current ones?
[10:27] <ChocoCid> no, that's wholly your fault, not the system's fault
[10:27] <peace-keeper> i was told HERE in this channel to install legacy nvidia drivers for an older card
[10:27] <holycow> peace-keeper, it is totally yoru responsibility to know how to configure the system
[10:27] <holycow> sorry
[10:27] <mnepton> guys, chill
[10:27] <Arafangion> peace-keeper: Just install the latest proprietary NVidia drivers, and ignore the 'nv' drivers.
[10:27] <ChocoCid> so someone misinformed you? blarg :(
[10:27] <mtymobile> no one knows?
[10:27] <holycow> peace-keeper, i'm going to take a poitn from mnepton and appologize
[10:27] <mnepton> peace-keeper: you have an nVidia card?
[10:27] <mickreal> peace-keeper - you did say earlier you spent a lot of time on ubuntum you should know what you're doing then
[10:27] <holycow> peace-keeper, i'm sorry i don't mean to be mean or attack you :)
[10:27] <peace-keeper> yeah an older nvidia card
[10:28] <Arafangion> peace-keeper: nvidia is widely regarded as being the best of the closed drivers.
[10:28] <mnepton> peace-keeper: which?
[10:28] <Cartas> mickreal: What was the command again, please?
[10:28] <holycow> peace-keeper, it is still a video card related issue
[10:28] <Cartas> sudo apt-get install automatix?
[10:28] <mnepton> peace-keeper: when i hear "old" i think "riva tnt" :)
[10:28] <peace-keeper> yeah :D
[10:28] <holycow> guys, has nvidia dropped support for old video cards?
[10:28] <peace-keeper> elsa erazor 2, with nvidia riva tnt
[10:28] <mtymobile> HEY!
[10:28] <Arafangion> mnepton: I had a riva tnt :)
[10:28] <holycow> peace-keeper, what kind of vid card?
[10:28] <siimo> i want this in ubuntu!  It's all RPM packages
[10:30] <peace-keeper> i installed nvidia-glx-legacy.... package says it supports riva tnt2
[10:30] <ChocoCid> it's not useful because of multiple files
[10:30] <Cartas> Nope, Mickreal.  Could you resend, please? :P
[10:30] <ChocoCid> like, nobody has a file JUST for powerpoints
[10:30] <siimo> so i know exactly what the files are without going into the folder
[10:30] <peace-keeper> but still everything much slower than on win xp (hope noone feels insulted now)
[10:30] <ChocoCid> it's mixed in with documents
[10:30] <mickreal> resent, did you recieve?
[10:30] <ChocoCid> that's just ugly and i'm sure that's ridiculously slow
[10:31] <holycow> siimo, if you like that kinda deal cool
[10:31] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: Actually, I'm sure you can make it fairly fast.
[10:31] <siimo> ChocoCid: you dont understand,, this isnt one folder.. it shows them like this by grouping like files together
[10:31] <holycow> as for me i'm glad we are switching toubuntu, i never wanna see that, ever
[10:31] <mnepton> peace-keeper: try removing that package and see what happens. the vesa driver may actually provide a better experience than that more deprecated and antique nv driver
[10:31] <holycow> hehe :)
[10:31] <ChocoCid> uh
[10:31] <Arafangion> siimo: Why not... double-click the damn folder and look at all the files?
[10:31] <ChocoCid> so it doesn't let you put what you want where you want?
[10:31] <Cartas> Mickreal:  Can you speak at all in that PM I just opened with you?
[10:31] <ChocoCid> so you save a ppt it automatically gets moved into the powerpoint folder?
[10:31] <mickreal> as far as i know
[10:31] <ChocoCid> ugh
[10:31] <Cartas> Try it an see?
[10:32] <ChocoCid> that's fairly awful imo :(
[10:32] <Cartas> and*
[10:32] <peace-keeper> lol mnepton ok i try :D although i cant imagine it will become better
[10:32] <ChocoCid> and, Arafangion, i can't make it go faster
[10:32] <ChocoCid> windows isn't open source remember?
[10:32] <mnepton> peace-keeper: can it get worse? ;)
[10:32] <mickreal> Cartas, i have been trying, just take a look at this link http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation#Installing_with_Apt
[10:32] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: Haha :)
[10:32] <siimo> ChocoCid: of course it does but this is a easy interface to your files .. appearently microsoft is trying to get rid of the Tree browsing file system model
[10:32] <holycow> peace-keeper, trust me when i say, all 3 problems you mentioned are system admins fault and can be fixed
[10:32] <josh_> what programs do you guys recommend for bluetooth under gnome? Things like obex and other protocols. What should I use?
[10:32] <Cartas> Thanks old chap.
[10:32] <holycow> peace-keeper, :) primise
[10:32] <Cartas> I am PMing you.
[10:32] <mickreal> np
[10:32] <Cartas> But you are not sending me anything :o
[10:32] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: It would be trivial for MS to make that quite quick, actually.
[10:32] <ChocoCid> siimo : it's still a tree, it's just the equivalent of a family tree in alabama now
[10:33] <peace-keeper> holycow: that doesnt help me if i cant fix them without spending days on learning about stupid conf files
[10:33] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: Especially given that they both write windows and office.
[10:33] <mickreal> Cartas, i have been trying, just take a look at this link http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation#Installing_with_Apt
[10:33] <peace-keeper> i dont wanna be a system admin, i wanted to simply install and use an OS
[10:33] <siimo> i dont know what you mean im not from america
[10:33] <holycow> peace-keeper, ah, well because you don't know doesn't make your false assertions true
[10:33] <Cartas> I already have, Mickreal!
[10:33] <ChocoCid> oh, sorry
[10:33] <mickreal> :)
[10:33] <holycow> it just makes them true relative your own abilities
[10:33] <Cartas> :D
[10:33] <ChocoCid> alabama is frequently the butt of incest jokes
[10:33] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: THat folder could have a thumbnails directory, which is updated when files are modified.
[10:33] <peace-keeper> what false assertions ?
[10:33] <holycow> its like me blaming ms for me not knowing how to install drivers on their os
[10:34] <josh_> Hey smeggy, noticed you're from Tassie. Where abouts?
[10:34] <ChocoCid> peace-keeper : just because you installed the wrong driver doesn't mean linux is a problem
[10:34] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: And the first X images of which are shown in that "folder".
[10:34] <mickreal> Cartas - it should sort you out with automatix, then using that you can install wine and other cool stuff
[10:34] <ChocoCid> Arafangion : still ugly :[
[10:34] <Arafangion> ChocoCid: Indeed.
[10:34] <Cartas> Hm, Mickreal:  It doesn't work.
[10:34] <holycow> peace-keeper, there are LEGITIMATE complaints about linux ... lots of them
[10:34] <mickreal> the link?
[10:34] <Cartas> Ah
[10:34] <tonyyarusso> !automatix
[10:34] <holycow> no one really hides them but they tend to be of technical nature
[10:34] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://www.getautomatix.com/ ; For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[10:34] <thatGuy_> man there's a lot of chat going on in here
[10:34] <ChocoCid> yeah, "linux is slow" is not a valid one at all
[10:34] <Cartas> That link needs updating.
[10:34] <thatGuy_> shocked to see it
[10:34] <Cartas> It's automatix2, it seems.
[10:34] <thatGuy_> i need help with gnome (anyone that can help)
[10:35] <siimo> is this kind of thing coming into gnome? http://www.informit.com/content/images/chap3_0672328933/elementLinks/03fig15.jpg  it seems pretty cool i hope this does if not that folder thing
[10:35] <tonyyarusso> (Often will break things!    That's three times I've asked.
[10:38] <tonyyarusso> !language
[10:38] <josh_> Cool, I live in Launceston Smeggy ;)
[10:38] <holycow> we're fine with that
[10:38] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:38] <siimo> ChocoCid: nothing wrong with nice user interfaces dude
[10:38] <peace-keeper> Arafangion: cause they dont support my old card
[10:38] <Smeggy> josh_, cool :)
[10:38] <ChocoCid> ubuntu has a perfectly fine user interface
[10:38] <AlexC> Can someone help me Install Maya 8 on Ubuntu please? It's all RPM packages
[10:38] <siimo> not all linux users are uber geeks that stare at terminals
[10:38] <ghostshadow189> josh , i drag 1 panel , but it cant combine with other
[10:38] <holycow> siimo, using linux via gnome is terribly easy
[10:38] <Arafangion> peace-keeper: I'm sure they do.
[10:38] <reverie> zloc, what's that? I can't see past the cathodes
[10:38] <BHSPitLappy> AlexC, package(s)? there are more than one?
[10:38] <siimo> holycow: yea i use gnome + xfce sometimes
[10:39] <holycow> siimo, i have a few soccer moms happily installing software on it and managing printers and things like that
[10:39] <ChocoCid> i think he means all the options are RPMs
[10:39] <thatGuy_> guys... anyone know how to fix gnome if it appears to be completely broken
[10:39] <josh_> ghostshadow189: ah ok, to make it one panel just right click on one of them and go to properties. Then change the size to as big as you want
[10:39] <holycow> siimo, cool
[10:39] <thatGuy_> is it even uninsteallable?
[10:39] <AlexC> BHSPitLappy, yes - 3 of them. One is the actual program and 2 are License Servers/Programs
[10:39] <peace-keeper> the reason microsoft is #1 is that windows is better as a desktop os
[10:39] <ghostshadow189> josh : oh , i'll try
[10:39] <BHSPitLappy> AlexC, "sudo alien -d nameofrpm.rpm"
[10:39] <holycow> thatGuy_, depends on what you mean by broken ... describe the problem and we will try to fix it
[10:39] <AlexC> peace-keeper, please don't be a troll =)
[10:39] <ChocoCid> yeah, it's uninstallable, you can do sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop then sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:39] <Arafangion> peace-keeper: Incorrect.
[10:39] <reverie> thatGuy_, delete your gnome configs
[10:39] <BHSPitLappy> AlexC, then you can double click the new ones
[10:39] <holycow> peace-keeper, why are you here then?
[10:39] <ChocoCid> might be able to go sudo apt-get restore or something like that
[10:39] <AlexC> BHSPitLappy, cool ok - I'll try that now
[10:39] <thatGuy_> whwen i log in, i get no panels at all
[10:39] <holycow> peace-keeper,  you don't want to use linux, you don't want to learn how to maintain it, why are  you here?
[10:40] <BHSPitLappy> AlexC, I dunno if you already have alien installed though
[10:40] <mickreal> peace-keeper - the reason why microsoft is #1 is because of venture capitcal, mass marketing and large amounts of money that the open source community doesn't have
[10:40] <thatGuy_> i've tried to run gnome-panel, and nothing
[10:40] <mickreal> think before you speak
[10:40] <frogzoo> thatGuy_: 1st, create a new user with 'adduser' & see if gnome works for it
[10:40] <holycow> go and use windows, you will be happy we will be happy, its all good
[10:40] <AlexC> BHSPitLappy, don't think so - I'll install it now
[10:40] <thatGuy_> it happened to all my users at the same time
[10:40] <peace-keeper> okay i shut up, dont wanna waste your time, bye
 the guy is LOOKING for a reason to blame linux<ChocoCid> he WANTS linux to not work so he can ***** about it and retreat to his little hole in the sand where windows is this perfect world
 it's people like that, that are the reason microsoft is the #1 os
[10:40] <thatGuy_> nope.  does
[10:40] <thatGuy_> doesn't*
[10:40] <fyrestrtr> AlexC: are you sure there are no debs for it?
[10:40] <reverie> thatGuy_, prolly an error in one of the gnome configs
[10:40] <Arafangion> peace-keeper: The reason why MS is #1 is because it's installed by default on every single system, due to various nefarious monopolistic practices that has brought them to court several times.
[10:40] <AlexC> fyrestrtr, absolutely
[10:40] <ChocoCid> he WANTS to pay through the nose for a worse system
[10:40] <holycow> ChocoCid, i agree with you 100%
[10:40] <AlexC> fyrestrtr, Autodesk, well Alias - only did RPMs for it
[10:40] <thatGuy_> lol.. there's like a million of those right?
[10:40] <Seveas> ChocoCid, peace-keeper Arafangion: take of-topic discussions elsewhere
[10:40] <siimo> so what do you use ChocoCid? gnome or kde
[10:40] <josh_> thatGuy_, have you tried restarting? You can restart GDM/Xserver by doing Alt+Ctrl+Backspace
[10:40] <thatGuy_> spread  out all across the universe
[10:40] <ChocoCid> he's TROLLING THIS CHANNEL
[10:40] <thatGuy_> yup
[10:40] <reverie> thatGuy_, yeah.. i had this before a few times so i ended up just deleting .g* lol
[10:40] <holycow> ChocoCid, but once they have decided they don't like it us hammering them wont help
[10:40] <thatGuy_> its been broke for some weeks now
[10:41] <ghostshadow189> josh : it cant , i change 1 panel to 50 , and i drag other panel to this panel but they cant be combine
[10:41] <reverie> don't do it unless you're comfortable doing so :)
[10:41] <holycow> lets nicely encourage them to go back to windows
[10:41] <ChocoCid> sure, holger , but that doesn't mean they should troll the channel
[10:41] <ChocoCid> *holycow
[10:41] <reverie> thatGuy_, can you create another user and login with that?
[10:41] <ChocoCid> siimo : i use gnome, don't much care for the look of kde
[10:41] <mickreal> it got rid of him though
[10:41] <holycow> ChocoCid, i'm convinced that by my own experience that anyone that doesn't like linux is irrelevant, it really is good enough and easy enough touse already
[10:41] <reverie> thatGuy_, if that works then its probably a config error
[10:41] <Seveas> ChocoCid, holycow: stop it.
[10:41] <thatGuy_> alright.  i'll try that
[10:41] <BHSPitLappy> this is why I hate this channel
[10:41] <ChocoCid> the people who don't like linux are going in PLANNING to dislike it
[10:41] <thatGuy_> otherwise?
[10:41] <siimo> why am i trolling? i only talked about a couple of user interface ideas from vista
[10:42] <holycow> siimo, i wasnt talking about you :)
[10:42] <peace-keeper> siimo: you get hated fast in here if you say anything good about windows :)
[10:42] <josh_> ghostshadow189: You can't have a panel inside a panel. There are two alternatives. 1) stacking the two panels, or 2) dragging into the bigger panel the applets you want
[10:42] <ChocoCid> i didn't say you were trolling ,siimo, peace-keeper  is
[10:42] <holycow> i was talking about talking about peace-keeper
[10:42] <holycow> peace-keeper, not true, you get told the true technical answer
[10:42] <peace-keeper> i'm not the one who started insulting
[10:42] <mickreal> hahaha he's back
[10:42] <AlexC> peace-keeper, stop trolling, and grow up
[10:42] <fyrestrtr> AlexC: you could use alient (if it hasn't been suggested already)
[10:43] <mickreal> omg go buy some microsoft shares peace-keeper
[10:43] <holycow> Seveas, wtf
[10:43] <AlexC> fyrestrtr, yep - someone said that before, just copying the files to my hard drive now so I can alien them
[10:43] <holycow> i'm helping him realize his destiny is #windows
[10:43] <holycow> in a very polite way
[10:43] <holycow> how about bouncing trolls?
[10:43] <mickreal> lol @ holycow
[10:43] <AlexC> Seveas, why kick holycow when peace-keeper is trolling?
[10:43] <Seveas> people, this was the last warning.  However this chat room is for support on Linux. If you wish to discuss your thoughts with somebody, start a private chat, send them an email, but do not annoy them or spam them. Please take this conversation somewhere else
[10:44] <AlexC> haha I just got a PM from peace-keeper saying "i'm not trolling you asshole" awww bless him
[10:44] <AlexC> i'm doing alien now fyrestrtr
[10:44] <Seveas> holycow, simply because I just arrived and didn't see bad things from him yet
[10:45] <Seveas> As you see he's banned now
[10:45] <ChocoCid> so you start kicking before you see the whole story? nice =\
[10:45] <holycow> Seveas, ah allright all cool
[10:45] <Seveas> but in the futire: don't pay attention to trolls
[10:45] <AlexC> good plan Seveas
[10:45] <OXIj> how to change number of viewports in beryl?
[10:45] <fyrestrtr> OXIj: ask in #beryl
[10:45] <ChocoCid> rightclick the viewport icons in the corner, hit preferences
[10:45] <ChocoCid> it's the same as in metacity/gnome
[10:45] <ChocoCid> or whatever kde uses
[10:45] <valehru> is there a flickr uploader for gnome?
[10:45] <ChocoCid> (i'd assume)
[10:45] <Jesse1984> can some1 plz tell me how long the average ubuntu 6.06 alternate install should take?
[10:46] <mnepton> ChocoCid: you were told to stop. you didn't. how is that better than the troll? (and dude, this is rhetorical)
[10:46] <Seveas> Jesse1984, 30-40 minutes
[10:46] <fyrestrtr> Jesse1984: no more than 30 minutes, if that.
[10:46] <josh_> OXIj: not sure if you can change it (if you mean desktops/cube sides)
[10:46] <holycow> Jesse1984, for me about 20 minutes or so
[10:46] <bioticpro> How can I mount dvd.iso file on HD, so it can be played or ripped? (hopefully an easy non cli method)
[10:46] <ChocoCid> because, mnepton , what i'm talking about is a more general statement
[10:46] <Jesse1984> thanx
[10:46] <holycow> depends on the hard drive and cdrom speed mostly
[10:46] <josh_> Jesse1984: Is your installation hanging?
[10:46] <ChocoCid> plenty of people out there will try linux with the PLAN to hate it
[10:46] <siimo> my current screenshot: http://members.lycos.co.uk/siimo2005/screenshots/screenshot-20061008.jpg   :P
[10:46] <OXIj> josh_, yes. i mean that
[10:46] <ChocoCid> they WANT it to not work so they have an excuse to go back to their comfortable little hole in the sand that they can bury their head in like an ostrich
[10:47] <josh_> OXIj: What stage of the install are you at?
[10:47] <mnepton> Jesse1984: it rather depends on the speed of your 'net connection (if you have one while installing)
[10:47] <Alexus> hello! I'm trying set adsl connection and have already installed the driver (ADLS indicator is ON). But I can't connect to Internet. My provider uses PPPoE. Here is the log after " sudo pppd call ueagle-atm": Using interface ppp0; Connect: ppp0 <--> 0.51; LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests; Connection terminated; Modem hangup. What is wrong?
[10:47] <OXIj> josh_, working )
[10:47] <AlexC> fyrestrtr, hum does it normaly take this long to Alien a 125MB file?
[10:47] <fyrestrtr> ChocoCid: take it to #ubuntu-offtopic and keep this space clean for support requests.
[10:47] <ChocoCid> they want to go "i tried to use it but i would have had to edit configuration files just to get my system to work" and that sort of bs makes other people not want to try linux
[10:47] <ChocoCid> this relates directly to bug #1 and you know it
[10:47] <fyrestrtr> AlexC: wouldn't know, but I suspect it does, since it has to create a deb and find deps, etc. etc.
[10:48] <Jesse1984> josh: yeh its taking ages, but im hoping it will work this time, i have used fdisk to format the mbr and the hdd i was trying to install on previously.. so fingers crossed!
[10:48] <tonyyarusso> ChocoCid: That may be, and if so, it would be just the sort of topic for #ubuntu-offtopic, since it is Linux-related, but not support.  Want to talk about it there?
[10:48] <siimo> ChocoCid: well i hated it too when i first tried it 3 yrs ago.. mostly because i was on dialup and my modem could only connect at 24kbps  and a few other things i was used to in windows back then!  but now i use it exclusively at home... its takes time to get used to linux
[10:48] <AlexC> fyrestrtr, true true - it came up with this to Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package Maya8_0: postinst postrm preinst prerm
[10:48] <josh_> OXIj: Is your harddrive light flashing, or is there any sign of activity on the computer
[10:48] <eeki> hi
[10:48] <AlexC> then fyrestrtr Warning: Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts.
[10:48] <AlexC> and is currently "stuck" there,
[10:48] <eeki> wat the hell
[10:48] <eeki> u are doing
[10:48] <holycow> siimo, it takes time to get used to any new os interface
[10:48] <mikeymike-linux> klos, mztriz is amazing isn't she?
[10:48] <josh_> OXIj: sorry, wrong person
[10:48] <fyrestrtr> AlexC: stuck like, no hard disk activity?
[10:49] <eeki> does anyone play runescape
[10:49] <klos> jep
[10:49] <klos> great work
[10:49] <klos> thx
[10:49] <AlexC> fyrestrtr, honestly no idea - I kinda blew up my Hard Drive Activity LED hehe
[10:49] <holycow> siimo, most users have 15 years of windows training, you don't just throw that away. putting a windows user on osx is not easy either
[10:49] <josh_> Jesse1984: Any activity on the computer? like lights?
[10:49] <AlexC> and there so quiet you can't hear them doing anything normally
[10:49] <Arafangion> eeki: Highly likely that someone, somewhere runs it.
[10:49] <ompaul> !offtopic
[10:49] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:49] <fyrestrtr> AlexC: rofl, okay give it a few more minutes, check top to see if its still running.
[10:49] <yemu> does anyone knows how to upgrade ltsp to 4.2? i followed instrustions on ltsp.org, but still the old version boots
[10:49] <yemu> ?
[10:49] <OXIj> josh_, no mind. all works fine. I just need 6 desktops. beryl can give my up to 12 but I cant find where this option is..
[10:50] <siimo> holycow: true but its a lot easier now.. with dapper etc is much user friendly compared to what i used back then.. i think i was on redhat 9 which was not that bad but after i used mandrake for a month i decided to give up linux totally but i came back
[10:50] <mikeymike-linux> does anyone know if you can rotate the desktop in ubuntu 270 degrees?
[10:50] <ompaul> !timetable > yemu
[10:50] <AlexC> fyrestrtr, check top? how do you mean?
[10:50] <fyrestrtr> AlexC: from another console, type 'top' and see if the process is still running
[10:50] <fyrestrtr> AlexC: or use the gnome-system-monitor
[10:50] <josh_> OXij: OK, I don't remember seeing such an option. But I do remember seeing a demo with more desktops. It might have been taken out? Or maybe it only works when you don't use the cube (use the sliding desktops instead maybe?)
[10:51] <AlexC> fyrestrtr, theres one that is dpkg-deb but I see no alien
[10:51] <fyrestrtr> AlexC: that's probably it.
[10:51] <AlexC> thought as much
[10:51] <OXIj> josh_, snx. I already found it
[10:51] <josh_> Jesse1984: does your computer appear to doing any activity? Eg: hdd light flashing?
[10:51] <thatGuy_>  I'm THIS lucky I got back to this user
 you log in, then you can't even log out!
 no.  gnome did not work
[10:51] <yemu> ompaul: does it mean i can't upgrade manually?
[10:51] <fyrestrtr> josh_: OXIj please take it to #beryl
[10:51] <mztriz> does anyone understand this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273438
[10:51] <mztriz> ?
[10:51] <josh_> OXIj: Where is it
[10:51] <josh_> sorry
[10:51] <ompaul> mikeymike-linux, there is a program (all be it exercise) where you use hands [1]  to initate rotate[2]  you might be able to do it with one of these xgl like things but that is #ubuntu-xgl
[10:52] <thatGuy_> is there a way to uninstall gnome and then install again?
[10:52] <OXIj> josh_, General Options -> Horizontal Virtual Size
[10:52] <mikeymike-linux> ompaul, my display rotates 270 for long viewing
[10:52] <josh_> cheers
[10:52] <thatGuy_> the ish is broke and i'm looking for a way to fix it
[10:52] <fyrestrtr> thatGuy_: what is the problem?
[10:52] <thatGuy_> is as broke as broke gets
[10:52] <AlexC> thatGuy_, I'd like to say sudo apt-get remove gnome-desktop then sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop .... but Im not sure :P
[10:52] <thatGuy_> eeshh, it dont run whatsoever
[10:52] <thatGuy_> no panels at all
[10:52] <thatGuy_> no way to run anythign, no way to log out even
[10:52] <AlexC> thatGuy_, type gnome-panels in terminal
[10:52] <onorin> Hello, I have an HP nx7010 laptop, with ATI 9200 and default screen resolution is 1600 x 1050. When I try to use fglrx through Xor.conf, after rebooting I got a black screen instead of gnome. What can I do ?
[10:52] <AlexC> nono, gnome-panel
[10:53] <thatGuy_> naw, that didnt run it either
[10:53] <ompaul> yemu, no, what it means is don't upgrade unless you really need it, if you need it you should have a look at the source, you should remove the existing using "sudo apt-get remove --purge program-name-here" then use
[10:53] <AlexC> fyrestrtr, wayy it's done
[10:53] <ompaul> !checkinstall > yemu
[10:53] <josh_> thatGuy_: have you tried restarting yet? (either whole computer or just X session)
[10:53] <thatGuy_> yess
[10:53] <fyrestrtr> onorin: how did you install it?
[10:53] <josh_> thatGuy_: does synaptic tell you that you have gnome-panels installed?
[10:54] <onorin> fyrestrtr, from Synaptic
[10:54] <fyrestrtr> AlexC: great, now try installing the debs that it generated.
[10:54] <thatGuy_> i know it is cause it was working
[10:54] <fyrestrtr> onorin: you followed the wiki?
[10:54] <Alexus> I'm trying set adsl connection and have already installed the driver (ADLS indicator is ON). But I can't connect to Internet. My provider uses PPPoE. Here is the log after " sudo pppd call ueagle-atm": Using interface ppp0; Connect: ppp0 <--> 0.51; LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests; Connection terminated; Modem hangup.
[10:54] <Alexus> Can anybody help me?
[10:54] <thatGuy_> i did soem upgrades via autonamix and it stopped working completing
[10:54] <holycow> thatGuy_, ohhhhhhhh
[10:54] <mztriz> I'm trying to follow these instructions,
[10:54] <mztriz> http://www.teachucomputers.blogspot.com/
[10:54] <holycow> dude reinstall and NEVER EVER use automatix again
[10:55] <holycow> that is what screwed up your system
[10:55] <thatGuy_> completly*
[10:55] <mztriz> can someone help me with step 3
[10:55] <ghostshadow189> hi all , how can i make panel bigger but icons in panel is still small like before
[10:55] <onorin> fyrestrtr, yes I did run it, throug sudo  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:55] <holycow> thatGuy_, don't even bother fixing it.  backupyour home dir and reinstall
[10:55] <onorin> fyrestrtr, I heard that this is because the resoultion is too high 1600 x 1050
[10:55] <thatGuy_> lol
[10:55] <Alexus> what can I do, where should I move?
[10:55] <holycow> and NEVER EVER use automatix again, its some of the worst software ever written
[10:55] <thatGuy_> that's really what it was starting to look like
[10:55] <fyrestrtr> Alexus: is your modem detected properly? I don't think its working correctly.
[10:55] <Seveas> holycow++
[10:55] <Scorpmoon> how do I set up ubuntu to share the attached printer with other windows machines?
[10:56] <josh_> ghostshadow189: In gnome icons scale to the size of the panel. You can stack panels for a similar effect or try out KDE (Kubuntu) or try using the KDE panels in gnome
[10:56] <onorin> fyrestrtr,  afterwards I have added some modle lines to my Xorg.conf, that I read this from some post. But it didn't work.
[10:56] <thatGuy_> have no idea how it broke my gnome like that
[10:56] <Arafangion> holycow: I suggest you mention that you should backup  /etc, and /var as well.
[10:56] <fyrestrtr> onorin: try using the binary driver from ati.com, if you have a laptop, that helps -- especially with powersaving and resume after suspend.
[10:56] <onorin> no matter what I do I can't make fglrx running
[10:56] <holycow> what Arafangion said
[10:56] <Arafangion> holycow: Then do the install, then copy all the apt archives back.
[10:56] <hazexp> holycow: bad experience? please share
[10:56] <thatGuy_> i ran it on my amd64 laptop and the ish is still fine
[10:56] <Arafangion> hazexp: _nobody_ recommends automatix here.
[10:56] <onorin> fyrestrtr, and not fglrx ?
[10:56] <thatGuy_> dude... i got soo much on here
[10:56] <fyrestrtr> onorin: pastebin your xorg.conf and your Xorg.0.log file
[10:56] <hazexp> lol Arafangion
[10:56] <holycow> hazexp, not me, just we get A LOT of automatix users come in here with hosed systems
[10:56] <thatGuy_> my web server... mysql... dns server
[10:56] <thatGuy_> lol
[10:57] <onorin> fyrestrtr, hangon
[10:57] <hazexp> I'm not saying I use it, nor do I intend to
[10:57] <thatGuy_> really hoping you can uninstal gnome adn brign it back
[10:57] <holycow> automatix just bypasses the packagemanager first and secondly does a bunch of its own things so you get bizarro issues
[10:57] <thatGuy_> talkign perhaps days of work here
[10:57] <hazexp> but, I admire the efforts to make Linux more user friendly
[10:57] <ompaul> thatGuy_, stop laughing out loud and start installing - lol is so IM this is IRC :-)
[10:57] <fyrestrtr> thatGuy_: what was the last thing you did before gnome stopped working?
[10:57] <holycow> thatGuy_, no just forget everything.  stop, roll, reinstall.
[10:57] <holycow> seirously, automatix changed a whole ton of things on your system thatyou don't know about
[10:58] <holycow> start fresh clean and properly installed system
[10:58] <ChocoCid> automatix is a nice idea with a poor implementation
[10:58] <mztriz> does anyone know how to do step 3 http://www.teachucomputers.blogspot.com/
[10:58] <ChocoCid> from what i understand "easyubuntu" does it better
[10:58] <thatGuy_> ompaul, i appreicate the help.  i been using irc for over a decade.  i know how to talk on here
[10:58] <fyrestrtr> ChocoCid: from what I understand, the wiki does it best.
[10:58] <hazexp> easyubuntu doesn't install applications outside of the package itself
[10:58] <mztriz> ?? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273438
[10:59] <hazexp> Whereas Automatix is supposed to
[10:59] <ubuntu_> hello room
[10:59] <thatGuy_> fyrestrtr, i think i had restarted after the ish with autonamix, and after that gnome-panel never ran again
[10:59] <ubuntu_> just checkin out this new os
[10:59] <josh_> mztriz: to partition your hard drive you need a program like gparted or qtparted
[10:59] <fyrestrtr> thatGuy_: oh ... oh ... dear.
[10:59] <hazexp> mztriz: Run GParted, if you don't have it yet, sudo apt-get install gparted
[11:00] <fyrestrtr> thatGuy_: backup your /home and reinstall the system.
[11:00] <ubuntu_> im runnin live
[11:00] <josh_> mztriz: there are also proprietary software programs out there like partition magic.
[11:00] <hazexp> ubuntu_: Which OS/distro?
[11:00] <onorin> fyrestrtr, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25952/
[11:00] <ubuntu_> ubuntu
[11:00] <thatGuy_> soo sux
[11:00] <thatGuy_> its gonna take me a while to get my ish together
[11:00] <mztriz> hazexp, I am on the ubuntu live cd, and I did this http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8801/screenshotnm3.png
[11:01] <ubuntu_> cool
[11:01] <fyrestrtr> mztriz: what are you installing ubuntu on? A mac?
[11:01] <onorin> fyrestrtr,  when I make driver "fglrx" instead of "ati" I got black screen
[11:01] <josh_> thatGuy_, how much other stuff had you installed before you tried automatrix?
[11:01] <ubuntu_> pc
[11:01] <thatGuy_> shit.  this comp was just about set
[11:01] <ChocoCid> no, he's installing an illegal mac os x on a non-mac computer heh
[11:01] <thatGuy_> got soo much hard-to-install stuff to finally work
[11:01] <mztriz> hazexp the second part of step 3 tells me Create a new HFS+ partition that is 6 GB using a tool like Partition magic, QTparted, Gparted, etc.
[11:01] <onorin> jose, automatix
[11:01] <ompaul> thatGuy_, well at least you have a live CD you can begin again
[11:01] <ChocoCid> mztriz : go file-new partition after clicking on that part
[11:02] <ChocoCid> and if gparted can make hfs+, you can do it there
[11:02] <mikeymike-linux> ohhhhh hazexp whats up
[11:02] <fyrestrtr> mztriz: can you answer my question?
[11:02] <thatGuy_> all the flash crap, dvd ripping, cd ripping... fially some good media players....
[11:02] <josh_> doesn't automatrix make a log of what it did and offer a script for removing it?
[11:02] <onorin> fyrestrtr, did you get the post ?
[11:02] <hazexp> mztriz: I'm not on Ubuntu atm, so I can't walk you through it
[11:02] <Scorpmoon> what's a good and comprehendible tutorial on how to setup ubuntu as a print server for windows machines?
[11:02] <lukas> what is needed for xmms to play wma-files?
[11:02] <ghostshadow189> hi all , how can i add text next to main menu , like start
[11:02] <mikeymike-linux> lukas, AN ACT OF GOD
[11:02] <mikeymike-linux> (BILL GATES)
[11:02] <ompaul> josh_, we gave up trying to help people with it - if they want to go to #automatix and say "Fix my comp please" they can
[11:03] <mikeymike-linux> or perhaps he is satan
[11:03] <josh_> ompaul: ok, sorry
[11:03] <Seveas> mikeymike-linux, ....
[11:03] <mztriz> fyrestrtr, it's a dell
[11:03] <holycow> josh_, there is no point of worrying because it bypasses the packaging system first and does totally weird things ... who knows iif everything is properly logged under that circumstance
[11:03] <mikeymike-linux> Seveas, :)
[11:03] <Alexus6825> Modem is operational and I just want setup ADSL internet connection via PPPoE. What should I do?
[11:03] <holycow> lukas, w32codecs
[11:03] <holycow> !restricted
[11:03] <fyrestrtr> mztriz: why do you need a HFS+ partition on it?
[11:03] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:03] <ChocoCid> !restrictedformats
[11:04] <ChocoCid> er, yeah
[11:04] <ChocoCid> beat me to it by a second ;\
[11:04] <holycow> check out that linkage for instalaltion instructions
[11:04] <ghostshadow189> hi all , how can i add text next to main menu , like start menu . for example : main menu image -> start
[11:04] <fyrestrtr> Alexus6825: try kppp
[11:04] <mztriz> chococid, so after i make the 6gb allocated space i make a new partition?
[11:04] <holycow> ChocoCid, :)
[11:04] <Alexus6825> what is kppp?
[11:04] <ChocoCid> after you make the 6gb unallocated space, yes
[11:04] <onorin> fyrestrtr, ?
[11:04] <ChocoCid> if you allocate it, you've made the partition
[11:04] <Alexus6825> is it ppp utitlity in KDE?
[11:04] <fyrestrtr> Alexus6825: sudo apt-get install kppp
[11:04] <josh_> well I'm getting tired and still have home work to do. I'm off guys, bye!
[11:04] <fyrestrtr> onorin: follow the wiki guide to install the ati drivers from ati.com
[11:05] <fyrestrtr> !ati > onorin
[11:05] <harrism> Has anyone ever had this problem using Mupen64 (n64 emulator) -> error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file .... I tried to locate this file and it's in /usr/lib  .. I also have many sdl library files installed since I develop in sdl every now and then. I have the base package along with many addons such as ttf, gfx, image etc. Any ideas? :/
[11:05] <Alexus6825> I use Gnome only, will kppp get installed there?
[11:05] <mztriz> chococid so i right click on the space and try to put it into HSF+ ? (that doesn't work)
[11:05] <onorin> fyrestrtr,  ok I got it but what about fglrx ?
[11:05] <Seveas> !find libSDL-1.2.so.0
[11:05] <ubotu> Package/file libsdl-1.2.so.0 does not exist in dapper
[11:05] <fyrestrtr> onorin: just follow the instructions and you'll end up with fglrx
[11:05] <holycow> Alexus, you can pretty much run any app from any de ... they just end up loading the needed libraries
[11:05] <ompaul> Alexus6825, you connect to the modem with an ethernetcard and you click on System Administration Networking activate the card and as long as your adsl modem is switched on you should have instructions from your provider on what to put into it, unless it came preconfigured
[11:05] <Seveas> harrism, you'll need to recompile that program against the correct libsdl
[11:05] <harrism> erick@wolf:~/Desktop/mupen64-0.5$ locate libSDL-1.2.so.0
[11:05] <harrism> /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0
[11:05] <harrism> /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.2
[11:06] <Seveas> interesting
[11:06] <onorin> fyrestrtr, ok thanks I'll check it out now
[11:06] <harrism> ok, so I need to grab source and compile
[11:06] <ompaul> harrism, please use a pastebin for more than 2 lines paste.ubuntu.com
[11:06] <holycow> Alexus, gnome and kde are trying to standardize on the opendesktop applications menu so that when an app is installed it appears on both systems in the menu
[11:06] <fyrestrtr> harrism: try LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 commandtostartMupen64
[11:06] <kraut> moin
[11:06] <harrism> from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[11:07] <Arcad3> hi
[11:07] <Arcad3> how to change  the splash screen?
[11:07] <Alexus6825> I have login/password of course, but I don't know where to use them
[11:07] <fyrestrtr> harrism: are you running xgl or binary drivers?
[11:07] <mikeymike-linux> could someone give me an exacmple on how to use spc
[11:07] <mikeymike-linux> scp
[11:07] <harrism> not running xgl, I have 64 bit architecture though but I am not sure if this is the reason. I'm running ubuntu64
[11:07] <mztriz> chococid gparted doesn't let me make the partition HFS+
[11:08] <Alexus6825> and I know that constants my provider use
[11:08] <fyrestrtr> mikeymike-linux: scp somefile user@domain2.com:~/myfiles
[11:08] <mikeymike-linux> fyrestrtr, what if it is local
[11:08] <tonyyarusso> Arcad3: The one on boot or when logging into Gnome?
[11:08] <Arcad3> yes
[11:08] <SeraVitae> could a slow cpu (like really slow) actually limit the speed of download?
[11:08] <mztriz> unless i'm suppose to make a different partion ?
[11:08] <harrism> but compiling the source should work? I guess I could just do it that way
[11:08] <Alexus6825> when I run pppoeconf it says that he can't find router, why?
[11:08] <mikeymike-linux> and what is 'somefile' is that the local manifestation?
[11:08] <ChocoCid> then you'll need a different partition program, mztriz
[11:08] <fyrestrtr> mikeymike-linux: that example is local > remote. scp /path/to/some/local/file user@somehost.com:/path/on/other/host
[11:08] <mztriz> chococid http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273438
[11:08] <tonyyarusso> Arcad3: ...that was an OR.
[11:08] <mikeymike-linux> fyrestrtr, oh okay
[11:09] <Arcad3> OR=?
[11:09] <Arcad3> i'm from RO
[11:09] <fyrestrtr> mikeymike-linux: of course, the other way is scp user@somehost.com:/path/to/file /path/on/local/system
[11:09] <mikeymike-linux> thats what im trying to do
[11:09] <mikeymike-linux> scp from remote to local
[11:09] <mikeymike-linux> on lan
[11:10] <tonyyarusso> Arcad3: Is it the boot splash screen or the one when logging into Gnome that you want to change?
[11:10] <fyrestrtr> mikeymike-linux: then you want the second example.
[11:10] <mikeymike-linux> thanks
[11:10] <Trackilizer> When i turn on my PC, ubuntu crahses while loading moudules or somthig like that
[11:10] <hazexp> SeraVitae: I doubt it, there are far more factors likely to influence the speed of your download than your CPU
[11:10] <Arcad3> the boot splash screen
[11:10] <Trackilizer> that happens everytime i trun on my PC
[11:10] <CiderJack> mother love
[11:10] <Trackilizer> do i have to re-install because of this?
[11:11] <Alexus6825> Why do pppoeconf can't set up my connection? what maybe the cause?
[11:11] <holycow> Trackilizer, you probably have problematic hardware ... but hard to know without looking at the system
[11:11] <CiderJack> Inconclusive. Lacking data. No solutions found.
[11:11] <killaz> hello ubuntu
[11:12] <killaz> I hope you can help my by pointing me into the right direction...
[11:12] <Trackilizer> holycow, so i would have to buy new hardware?
[11:12] <Alexus6825> so...
[11:12] <killaz> Im using mplayer.... its like this I get a CRC check failure everytime I want to watch a .ISO file...
[11:12] <killaz> the quality and everything of the ISO is ok... but the CRC check failure makes the movie skip...
[11:12] <holycow> Trackilizer, well you would need to perform testing to find out what its hanging on
[11:12] <fyrestrtr> killaz: sounds like a bad download.
[11:12] <holycow> Trackilizer, do you know where exactly it stops?
[11:13] <killaz> fyrestrtr, CRC means bad dowload?
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> !usplash
[11:13] <ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before GNOME/KDE appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[11:13] <killaz> fyrestrtr, or bad file?
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> Arcad3: ^^
[11:13] <Trackilizer> yes! it's when it says, loading modules or something of that nature
[11:13] <fyrestrtr> killaz: generally, yeah.
[11:13] <killaz> fyrestrtr, :(
[11:13] <Trackilizer> my PC keeps on running, but the screen goes blank and nothing happens after that.
[11:13] <killaz> fyrestrtr, damn a friend of mine gave me this ISO....
[11:13] <onorin> fyrestrtr, in that howto there are two guides, one is to use fglrx, which is appereantly now working. The other one is "Using the drivers from ati.com" . So should I proceed with the latter ?
[11:13] <Al> it seems pretty difficult to get any help here
[11:14] <Arcad3> thanks
[11:14] <fyrestrtr> onorin: yes, you want the 'use drivers from ati.com'
[11:14] <fyrestrtr> Al: plenty of satisfied customers :)
[11:14] <holycow> Trackilizer, well generally if it it stops during bootup you should be able to see the line it stops at
[11:14] <fyrestrtr> Al: it all depends on how you ask the question.
[11:14] <mztriz> can someone help me with this tutorial http://www.teachucomputers.blogspot.com/
[11:14] <Al> how should I ask?
[11:14] <fyrestrtr> Trackilizer: disable the boot splash to see the kernel messages.
[11:14] <Trackilizer> holycow, yes its the modules part it stops at
[11:15] <Trackilizer> and how does one stop the boot splash?
[11:15] <Al> my internet doesn't work in Linux... And I don't how to set it up
[11:15] <tonyyarusso> Al: Just type your question and wait.  If nobody answers, it likely means nobody knows.  Ask again in 15 minutes or so.
[11:15] <AlexC> hum - fyrestrtr I don't think Maya installed correctly
[11:15] <holycow> oh hit ctrl/alt/f1
[11:15] <holycow> or f2
[11:15] <Mille> any way to reinstall programs installed with easyubuntu?
[11:15] <ghostshadow189> hi all , to download a theme for gnome , should i download GTK2.x or Metacity ?
[11:15] <holycow> i think the detailed system init messages are there
[11:15] <Arcad3> GTK2
[11:15] <AlexC> fyrestrtr, in Synaptic it says it's installed - but if I do a serach for Maya on the filesystem I get nothing, if I type "maya" in terminal it says command not found aswell
[11:15] <tonyyarusso> Al: It would help the right people to help you to know what kind of internet connection you have. (And have you succeeded in another OS with it?)
[11:16] <Arcad3> for me no  theme works
[11:16] <fyrestrtr> mztriz: we don't support pirated software or the means to install it.
[11:16] <Trackilizer> holycow, so just do that and wait for the error message right?
[11:16] <RedGhost> unrar-free _always_ fails, why?
[11:16] <fyrestrtr> AlexC: maybe 'Maya' is not the command for it.
[11:16] <Al> How can I setup my PPPoE if modem is already operational?
[11:16] <holycow> *nod* yeah lets find out where it stops at, maybe it will give us a clue
[11:16] <tonyyarusso> !pppoe
[11:16] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[11:16] <Trackilizer> ok, thanks alot, I'll try that.... be back in a bit
[11:16] <AlexC> fyrestrtr, yeah it is =\
[11:17] <mztriz> fyrestrtr, I don't mean osx i just want my hdd in HFS+
[11:17] <AlexC> it's weird
[11:17] <asking> hello... can you please suggest me the easiest way to make a copy of a video dvd? I'd like to preserve the menu structure/subtitles/audio while reencoding it so that it fits on a 4GB disc.... is there a tool that does all of that automatically? Thanks!
[11:17] <thatGuy_> anyone know if there's a gnome error log i can look at to try to fix it ?
[11:17] <fyrestrtr> AlexC: hrmm, dunno. I'd have to download it and install it here to help ya any further.
[11:17] <Arcad3> make an image of it
[11:17] <fyrestrtr> thatGuy_: ~/.xsession-errors
[11:17] <tonyyarusso> Al: See if that wiki page helps.
[11:18] <fyrestrtr> asking: use any cd copying software, like k3b
[11:18] <fyrestrtr> mztriz: why?
[11:18] <Al> I'm reading it now, thanks
[11:19] <asking> fyrestrtr, thx, I tried with gnomebaker and had no such option... so I felt like asking somebody before installing all kdelibs and k3b
[11:19] <mztriz> fyrestrtr, for FTP and SSH
[11:20] <fyrestrtr> mztriz: you don't need HFS+ for that.
[11:20] <SeraVitae> any suggestions for an ftp server? something with a gui for setting up would be awesome.
[11:21] <SeraVitae> or at least a gui configurator tool
[11:21] <Arcad3> use apache2
[11:21] <tonyyarusso> !ftp
[11:21] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[11:21] <Trackilizer> holycow, i get stop the boot splash, it happes at the beginning of the load procces
[11:21] <Arcad3> apt-get install apache2
[11:21] <Trackilizer> it happens at the point where it says loading file systems
[11:22] <holycow> Trackilizer, i've seen that once before but i cannot remember the fix
[11:22] <holycow> Trackilizer, i'm going to stab at it with 'reinstall' and see what happens
[11:22] <holycow> Trackilizer, sounds like it cannot find the partition
[11:22] <Trackilizer> ok, I'll reinstall now.... be back later :)
[11:22] <Mille> any way to reinstall programs installed with easyubuntu? cause they are greyed out, and i'm not sure how to reinstall them manuallt (well that's why i'm using easbuntu)
[11:23] <ubuntu__> just here checkin out ubuntu os
[11:23] <Mille> it's nice isnt it, ubuntu__ xD
[11:23] <ubuntu__> so far
[11:23] <Mille> ubuntu__ what have you  been running before?
[11:23] <ubuntu__> win 2000pro
[11:24] <holycow> ubuntu__, you should be able to sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename from command line
[11:24] <mwright2> I've just installed the read/write ntfs-3g and ntfs-fuse... just wandering how do I make the auto mounter (that mounts usb disks) use the ntfs3g or the ntfs-fuse driver instead of the default read only driver.
[11:24] <ghostshadow189> hi all , when i click to show desktop button it warn me : Your window manager does not support the show desktop button, or you are not running a window manager.  how can i fix this
[11:24] <AlexC> holycow, I think you ment Mille  ?
[11:24] <mwright2> it works fine if I explicitly mount it in /etc/fstab but I'd like to mount it using the automounter
[11:24] <eeki> hi
[11:24] <Mille> hm
[11:24] <SeraVitae> is ssh installed with ubuntu by default?
[11:24] <eeki> errrrm
[11:25] <eeki> erm
[11:25] <ubuntu__> im just runnin live off my cd rom right now
[11:25] <eeki> hey r u guys deaf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:25] <holycow> oh yes i meant Mille sorry ubuntu_
[11:25] <Mille> holycow, but i dont evfen know the package name?
[11:25] <mwright2> eek? what's your question?
[11:25] <eeki> erm
[11:25] <holycow> AlexC, danke :)
[11:25] <mwright2> I'm after help with automount d
[11:25] <holycow> Mille,  apt cache search goodguess
[11:25] <AlexC> =)
[11:25] <mwright2> if anyone can tell me where the auto.fs files are ...
[11:25] <gansinho> hi! I would like to know how do I mount a memorystick from a camera ?
[11:25] <eeki> does any one play computers
[11:26] <holycow> that should give you a list from which you should be able to surmise what it probably is
[11:26] <ubuntu__> um yeah
[11:26] <pcfan> Hii, After I installed ubuntu without making a boot partition, I made a one (50MB), and I don't know how to update fstab and copy the kernels... can you help ?
[11:26] <eeki> i can"t
[11:26] <ubuntu__> ? --- can ubuntu take games??
[11:26] <eeki> yes
[11:26] <ChocoCid> ubuntu plays games fine
[11:26] <holycow> gansinho, you need a memory card reader.  you just plug it into the  usb port, plag the card into it and yoru done
[11:26] <mwright2> eeki? you can't do that
[11:26] <eeki> no who says
[11:26] <Trackilizer> holycowm i can't even re-install.... after booting from the dapper CD, the screen goes blank and nothing happens
[11:27] <mwright2> you need like 2-5 GB free to install ubuntu
[11:27] <Mille> holycow, but isnt' there any easy way to make easyubuntu think it runs for the first time?
[11:27] <ubuntu__> games like doom 3?
[11:27] <thatGuy_> thanks guys.  I'll backup, then I'll try some of this uninstall gnome methods that I've googled. they may break ubuntu, so that's why I'm backuping up first
[11:27] <mwright2> or else you're pushing shit up a hill
[11:27] <ChocoCid> doom3 i think runs on wine, hold on
[11:27] <holycow> Mille, i'm not sure what that question means.
[11:27] <eeki> my can"t play runescape
[11:27] <gansinho> holycow: but I don't have a memory card reader, I could not mount it via the camera?
[11:27] <holycow> your trying to remove an application?
[11:27] <yemu> any ltsp experts here? i need help
[11:27] <sioux> what's mubuntu?
[11:27] <holycow> if so use apt to remove it
[11:27] <AlexC> sioux, Media Ubuntu
[11:27] <Seveas> yemu, #edubuntu is a better guess
[11:27] <mwright2> anyone here know abuot autofs
[11:27] <holycow> gansinho, it actually depends on the camera
[11:27] <mwright2> runescape doesn't work under firefox on windows does it?
[11:28] <ChocoCid> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=2887
[11:28] <holycow> gansinho, you should be able to just plug it in via usb and one of two things will happen
[11:28] <eeki> does anyone know how to remove ubuntu
[11:28] <mwright2> so if it doesn't work on firefox on windows, it probably won't work on linux
[11:28] <sioux> alexc where can I get some info about it
[11:28] <holycow> either it will be loaded as a block device and will appear as an icon on your desktop
[11:28] <Mille> holycow, i want easyubuntu act like if nothing was installed. like when i run it for the first time.
[11:28] <gansinho> holycow: oh gosh... I can import the pics
[11:28] <mwright2> eeki you could use dd
[11:28] <AlexC> sioux, there was a thread in www.ubuntuforums.org in the Cafe
[11:28] <holycow> or it will use one of those camera protocls and gtkam will popup for you
[11:28] <AlexC> do a serach for "Mubuntu"
[11:28] <ubuntu__> what format is this??
[11:28] <eeki> holycow, i want ot talk to u!!!!!
[11:28] <holycow> Mille, #easyubuntu
[11:28] <holycow> eeki, uh oh
[11:28] <holycow> why?
[11:28] <holycow> :)
[11:29] <AlexC> hehe
[11:29] <AlexC> ha, what the
[11:29] <Arcad3> when the new Ubuntu is gona be released?
[11:29] <mwright2> can anyone help me with autofs
[11:29] <AlexC> 26th October,
[11:29] <AlexC> hopefully]
[11:29] <gansinho> holycow: but it does not automaticaly mount the memory stick like it does with an ipod for example
[11:29] <Trackilizer> holycow, not being able to boot into the LIVE cd mean something is really wring with my hardware right?
[11:29] <holycow> gansinho, yeah like i said .. most cameras these days use a proprietary camera image transfer protocol
[11:30] <holycow> that means the card isnt viewed as as a block device so it doesn't mount like one ... i.e. lik eyour ipod
[11:30] <gansinho> holycow: damn, there's no way to "hack" it?
[11:30] <ghostshadow189> why i cant use show desktop button ?
[11:30] <holycow> what it does is que gtkam to startup and download the images via that protocol
[11:30] <holycow> Trackilizer, well probably but depends
[11:31] <holycow> Trackilizer, what cpu/ram do you have?
[11:31] <ubuntu__> anyone from seattle wa???
[11:31] <Jesse1984> is it normal when installing ubuntu 6.06 with alternate cd for the partition manager to come up 3 times saying the same things while you keep selecting the same options you have already selected 2 times previously!??
[11:31] <Mille> not much ppl alive in #easyubuntu :p
[11:31] <Trackilizer> well, it's a rather old system.... only 1.2GHZ and only 256MB of RAM
[11:31] <Arcad3> where can i fin info about the latest ubuntu?
[11:31] <gansinho> ghostshadow189: try to ctrl+alt+D (the letter, d) maybe the problem is just the button..
[11:31] <holycow> Jesse1984, yes most of the time people forget to scroll all the way to the bottom and select 'finish'
[11:31] <holycow> >_>
[11:32] <holycow> !edgy
[11:32] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[11:32] <ghostshadow189> gansinho : it works , but why the button didnt work
[11:32] <Jesse1984> holycow: is the finish button not visible unless you scroll down to it?
[11:33] <gansinho> ghostshadow189: try to create a new one... I can't say why it does not work ... sorry =/
[11:33] <Arcad3> !cedega
[11:33] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on wine, aimed at running windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[11:33] <rubenv> is evolution horribly broken in edgy?
[11:33] <holycow> Jesse1984, well its an option in one of the partition screens ... its kinda on the bottom an dyou need to arrow down to say finished ... i forget the exact terminiology so i'm winging it a bit
[11:33] <holycow> that got me a few times
[11:33] <rubenv> as in: it crashes when I start the mailer component
[11:33] <hazexp> Whoever was looking for Doom 3, the native Linux port of it is available here: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/
[11:33] <ghostshadow189> gansinho : u mean that remove and add another to panel ?
[11:33] <mwright2> can anyone help us with autofs
[11:33] <holycow> rubenv, here it seems okay so far
[11:33] <gansinho> ghostshadow189: right click in a free area in the pannel>add to pannel and add a new one
[11:33] <rubenv> holycow: darn
[11:34] <rubenv> that's not good
[11:34] <gansinho> ghostshadow189: yup, try that...
[11:34] <Jesse1984> holycow: when it gets to that screen again for the FOURTH time (hehe) i will holla with what i see.. cheers
[11:35] <holycow> Jesse1984, sure
[11:35] <ubuntu__> im lost --- did we land yet??
[11:35] <ghostshadow189> gansinho : it didnt work :(
[11:36] <gansinho> ghostshadow189: I dunno a lot about programming, I can't help you, sorry, use the shortcut instead until you solve it
[11:37] <ghostshadow189> anyway , thanx :D
[11:37] <gansinho> ghostshadow189: nevermind =)
[11:37] <aaron_> hi
[11:37] <onorin> fyrestrtr,  used the drivers from saveas. It didn't work. I rebooted  and I got black screen again. Then I reverted the Xorg.conf. And booted
[11:37] <aaron_> ive just download two .jsp files... how do i install them
[11:37] <aaron_> one is the download and one is the isntall i think?
[11:38] <Cartas> "nstall your kernel-source, and then get into menuconfig and sync its options with those given below"
[11:38] <highneko> Double clicking my titlebar shades it, and I want it to maximize. How's this done?
[11:38] <Cartas> How do I do that? :O
[11:39] <aaron_> to put it another way, what is a .jsp file
[11:39] <SeraVitae> sounds like something to do with java.
[11:40] <Arcad3> WRNING do not use Windows in this time of the year beacause in a VIRUS STORM aproaching:)))
[11:40] <Jesse1984> holycow: ok.. i have this up: this in an overview of currently configured partitions and mount points. select a partition to modify its settings ect ect. Now the partitions are already set. ext3 primary swap logical. down the bottom are 2 options: undo changes to partitions and finish partitioning and write changes to disk. I have chosen the latter 3 times now and ended back at this screen everytime
[11:40] <hazexp> JavaScript Page IIRC
[11:40] <holycow> Jesse1984, did you setup your / ?
[11:40] <Jesse1984> holycow: yeh its set..
[11:40] <Arcad3> WARNING do not use Windows in this time of the year beacause in a VIRUS STORM aproaching:)))
[11:41] <gansinho> holycow: thanks for the help!
[11:41] <holycow> so you select write to disk and brings you back here?
[11:41] <hazexp> No, sorry, it's Java Server Page, *not* Javascript Page as previously mentioned
[11:41] <holycow> gansinho, no problem
[11:41] <Trackilizer> holycow, i just tried a knoppix livecd, and i still have the same problem, somewhere in the boot procces, the screen simply goes blank... and nothing happens after that
[11:41] <Trackilizer> could it be my harddrive is dead?
[11:42] <Arcad3> Trackilizer:unplug the source wait 2 min then plug it back
[11:42] <holycow> Trackilizer, ye it could also be bad ram.  just out of curiosity did you have another os on this system? did it ever work?
[11:42] <nox-Hand> Hey
[11:42] <Arcad3> computers power source
[11:42] <Jesse1984> holycow: it then goes to a confirmation screen, yes/no/goback and i chose yes then i end up back there! i dont get it
[11:42] <harrism> does anyone know how to start vegastrike in linux? I just installed it but cannot find in anywhere
[11:42] <holycow> Jesse1984, what are the partitions again?
[11:43] <Trackilizer> holycow, it's my old PC that used to have win98, but I've used it for ubuntu for  over a year now, i have this problem since yestery
[11:43] <Trackilizer> it just came out of the blue
[11:43] <Ackeubu_> is it possible to install dapper over an other ubuyntu distro without formating the drives?
[11:43] <onorin> can anyone help me with fglrx  ?
[11:43] <holycow> Trackilizer, ohhhhhhh, chances are the hd is dead
[11:43] <Arcad3> do that Trank..
[11:43] <holycow> Trackilizer, that makes sense.... its managed to read the hd up to that part then it gets no further response
[11:43] <Arcad3> it happend to me
[11:43] <sioux> mubuntu is a dream or reality!
[11:44] <Trackilizer> crap! oh well! i'll try another hardrive i have lyring around
[11:44] <Trackilizer> thanks alot guys
[11:44] <holycow> sioux, welcome :)
[11:44] <onorin> Can anyone help me with fglrx  ?
[11:44] <holycow> Trackilizer, no problem hopefully it works
[11:44] <livingdaylight> i got a serious problem: kernel panic. Unsuccessfully tried to install Mandriva which crashed and now i can't get back into Ubuntu. It loads up unti rootfilesystem but then hangs
[11:44] <aaron_> how do i change into a director using linux terminal
[11:44] <Arcad3> Mandriva sucks
[11:44] <aaron_> directory
[11:44] <Arcad3> cd
[11:44] <sioux> holy thanks.. to where a real world or what? :-)
[11:44] <aaron_> doesn work?
[11:44] <Arcad3> cd directory
[11:44] <onorin> aaron_, cd dir_name
[11:44] <Jesse1984> holycow: ahh i have just gone through the process once more! so make sure.. i dont know exactly, like this i think: primary - ext3 - / (9.3gb)then: logical - swap (454mb [there abouts] ) On ide2 master (hde)
[11:45] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: is that al lyou can say? :s
[11:45] <aaron_> ahhh
[11:45] <holycow> sioux, who needs the real world?
[11:45] <holycow> hehe
[11:45] <aaron_> forget capital letter at the start of dir name
[11:45] <aaron_> :)
[11:45] <Arcad3> EN is not my native language
[11:45] <onorin> Can anyone help me with fglrx  ?
[11:45] <onorin> doh
[11:45] <sioux> holy the world!
[11:45] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: some people say mandriva is great. I only wanted to test it. Now i can't get back into Ubuntu
[11:45] <holycow> Jesse1984, that looks right so its not like its borking because of an unworkable config
[11:45] <Arcad3> format the drive
[11:45] <Arcad3> reinstall
[11:45] <cntb> !fglrx > cntb
[11:46] <sioux> and pheraps google too!
[11:46] <onorin> !fglrx
[11:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:46] <onorin> no
[11:46] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: talking to me?
[11:46] <holycow> Jesse1984, you got me there dude, i really thought you werent able to select the that option
[11:46] <Arcad3> yes
[11:46] <holycow> :/ i'm sorry, not sure what to suggest
[11:46] <onorin> I can't run fglrx, All I get is black screen
[11:46] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: reformat my hardrive and reinstall Ubuntu?
[11:46] <nox-Hand> What tool should I use to connect to wireless networks+
[11:46] <Arcad3> yes
[11:46] <onorin> Anyone ?
[11:47] <Jesse1984> holycow: argh! i have no idea then.. this is hurting me.. why is it so hard!??
[11:47] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: ohhhh.. Noooooooooooo - Mamma MIa.
[11:47] <cntb> why fglrx is a name for ATI ?
[11:47] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: Geeezuz Christ!!! dont say that pleeeeeeeeeze!!!???
[11:47] <holycow> Jesse1984, its a freak accident of some sort, i assure you its exceptionally rare.  infact i've NEVER heard of that
[11:47] <holycow> :/
[11:47] <holycow> like 1 in a million kinda deal
[11:47] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: nononono...
[11:48] <holycow> Jesse1984, wait are you using th elive cd
[11:48] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: there must be an alternative
[11:48] <holycow> or the alternate cd?
[11:48] <Jesse1984> holycow.. hmm maybe ill try live cd again.
[11:48] <Arcad3> i dont know the otheralternative
[11:48] <Jesse1984> alternative cd
[11:48] <Arcad3> i use that
[11:48] <holycow> Jesse1984, perhaps yeah ... this is the first time i've heard of di failing
[11:49] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: will i be able to save and back up my home directory?
[11:49] <Arcad3> u have imp files?
[11:49] <holycow> livingdaylight, yeah thats the great thing about linux, the system doesn't say 'can't back up home dir because of a held file'
[11:49] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: i cannot lose my home dir
[11:50] <Jesse1984> holycow: ok i have it up once more.. here is exactly the config of the partitions:
[11:50] <Arcad3> i dont know madriva!
[11:50] <livingdaylight> holycow: holy Smoley .
[11:50] <Arcad3> i used it ..sucks
[11:50] <Arcad3> formated the hhd after
[11:50] <onorin> I can't run fglrx, All I get is black screen. Can some one help ?
[11:51] <highneko> Is it possible to change panel text to white in dapper, gnome?
[11:51] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: i don't know what imp files are
[11:51] <Arcad3> important
[11:51] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: did you try mandriva?
[11:51] <Arcad3> yes
[11:51] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: they were saying how great it is. \5 on distrowatch
[11:51] <Arcad3> it sucks
[11:51] <nox-Hand> !tell nox-Hand about wireless
[11:51] <onorin> the best distro is SimplyMEPIS
[11:51] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: why? how exactly does it suck?
[11:52] <livingdaylight> Arcad3: they say urpmi is better than apt-get
[11:52] <Arcad3> no packages database
[11:52] <holycow> livingdaylight, for the entire life of that distro its never worked
[11:52] <holycow> ever
[11:52] <holycow> there is always something hosed in it
[11:53] <livingdaylight> holycow: Ubuntu is and has been my primary os since 4 years
[11:53] <Jesse1984> ide2master (hdc) -10.1 GB Maxtor 31024h2 [new line]  #1 primary 9.7GB B F ext3    / [new line]  #5 logical 452.4MB   F swap    swap [new line]  ide2 slave (hdd) - 10.2 GB ST310014a [new line]  undo changes to partitions [new line]  finish partitioning and write changes to disk [new line]  go back
[11:53] <holycow> livingdaylight, cool
[11:53] <livingdaylight> holycow: i was only wanting to test mandriva's new release on my spare hardrive. Now i've paid the ultimate price :(
[11:53] <Ackeubu_> !dapper
[11:53] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th and latest release of Ubuntu. Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake"
[11:53] <Ackeubu_> !installdapper
[11:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about installdapper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:53] <Ackeubu_> !downgradetodapper!!!
[11:54] <Ackeubu_> !downgradetodapper
[11:54] <holycow> livingdaylight, well it happens.  reinstall.  next time try vmware and install mandrive as a guest system there
[11:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about downgradetodapper!!! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about downgradetodapper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:54] <Ackeubu_> !damn!!
[11:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about damn!! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:54] <defcon8> does anyone use a isl3886 chipset wifi card?
[11:54] <holycow> that way you can toss it, back it up, reinstall it as you want
[11:54] <Ackeubu_> !dapper
[11:54] <livingdaylight> Oh, Geeezus Christ - Pleeze help me. Mama Mia!!!
[11:54] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th and latest release of Ubuntu. Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake"
[11:54] <boink> !etchy
[11:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about etchy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:55] <Jesse1984> holycow: heres the screen: ide2master (hdc) -10.1 GB Maxtor 31024h2 [new line]  #1 primary 9.7GB B F ext3    / [new line]  #5 logical 452.4MB   F swap    swap [new line]  ide2 slave (hdd) - 10.2 GB ST310014a [new line]  undo changes to partitions [new line]  finish partitioning and write changes to disk [new line]  go back
[11:55] <livingdaylight> holycow: i didn't want to reinstall Ubuntu until the release of Edgy and then in my own good time
[11:55] <mikeymike-linux> how would i do this command if i already have the file extracted to /root/  i'm not quite sure how to do this...    "tar -jOxf /root/file.tar.bz2 file.img | dd of=/dev/hda2 bs=512 skip=63"