  (Not sure if there's a GUI for that?)
[01:32] <JPeterson> spiv: ok. thx.
[05:33] <Wellark> hi! I'm having problem with pipeline plugin. I'm using the latest revision from bzr-pipeline trunk, but now I started to get these messages: "bzr 2.6.0dev1 is too new for pipeline 1.1.0"
[05:36] <fullermd> Probably hasn't been updated for the new version of bzr.dev.
[05:37] <Wellark> has there been any discussion on fixing it?
[05:38] <fullermd> There's probably nothing broken, strictly speaking.  It just doesn't know that it can work with 2.6.
[05:38] <fullermd> You could just find the version check and bypass it, and see if anything breaks.
[05:38] <Wellark> :)
[05:39] <Wellark> the __init__.py does the check and it defines maximum_bzrlib_version = (2, 4)
[05:39] <Wellark> any API breakage between 2.4 and 2.6?
[05:39] <fullermd> Probably.  An API that pipeline uses?  I have no idea.
[05:40] <Wellark> I mean in bzrlib
[05:40] <fullermd> But if it worked with bzr.dev when it was called 2.5 a couple weeks ago, it probably still works with it calling itself 2.6 now.
[05:40] <Wellark> I'm not familiar with bzrlib API policies
[05:41] <fullermd> Well, I'm not really familiar with the API's, and even less with pipeline.
[05:42] <fullermd> If you smoosh the two of us together in a steam press, we could own this joint   ;)
[05:43] <fullermd> Things are likely to get broken across major releases.  But whether that has any impact on a particular plugin is a wide open question.
[05:44] <fullermd> If pipeline actually works with 2.5 (or bzr.dev just before 2.5 branched), it probably works equally well with bzr.dev-called-2.6 now.  I'd _guess_ the major premise is supportable, but I don't know.
[05:44] <spiv> Wellark: many plugins are very conservative about API versions.  They prefer to break up front if they haven't been tested against that version rather than risk some strange breakage while being used.
[05:45] <spiv> Wellark: even though most of the time no change to the plugin is needed (other than relaxing the version check)
[05:45] <Wellark> fullermd, spiv: OK, thanks. I'll upgrade the test and see what happens.
[05:46] <Wellark> and also file a bug against bzr-pipeline as it seems nobody has done so
[06:00] <stewart> have lightweight checkouts improved over $years ago? i.e. do they actually suck down less data and are faster than pulling full (big) repo?
[06:04] <spiv> I think perhaps jelmer and jam have done a bit of work on that lately.
[06:04] <spiv> I have a partially completed branch (that jelmer is continuing) to make "bzr branch --stacked" a good answer for that case, though.
[06:05] <spiv> (i.e. to make it reasonably efficient w.r.t. how much data it sucks down, at least when using a smart server.)
[06:06] <spiv> (it's about the same amount of data as a lightweight checkout -- all the full texts of the current revision's tree, but actually kept in a local stacked repo so you can still have speedy local diff etc. without necessarily hitting the network for almost every subsequent operation)
[07:45] <poolie> hi vila, and good night
[07:45] <vila> hey poolie et al.,
[07:46] <vila> poolie: g;night
[08:27] <Merwin> hi
[08:27] <vila> Merwin: hi
[08:28] <Merwin> Hey vila :-)
[08:28] <Merwin> What web interface would you recommend for end-users not very familiar with bazaar ? I'm looking for something simple which will help them understand
[08:30] <vila> hmm, loggerhead is the most advanced one I know of, but qlog used locally is IMHO the best way to understand branch history or even branches histories (you can use 'bzr qlog trunk feature1 feature2' to visualize how branches are related)
[09:26] <mgz> morning
[09:27] <vila> morning mgz
[09:28] <mgz> ha, bug 924727
[09:28] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 924727 in Bazaar "bzr pull does not remember urllib links" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924727
[09:28] <mgz> that workaround for self signed cert won't be good much longer
[09:34] <vila> mgz: one word: rabbit hole
[09:35] <vila> mgz: are you already replying or should I ?
[09:35] <mgz> you go ahead
[09:36] <mgz> the good part is that they'll just be able set a conf value with 2.5
[09:39] <vila> ok
[09:43] <vila> yeah, unless he still want his certificates to be verified in which case things will be a bit harder to use until we fix bug #923220
[09:43] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 923220 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "update from oneiric to precise blocked on skype:i386 says updater" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923220
[09:43] <vila> grrr
[09:43] <vila> bug #924220
[09:43] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 924220 in Bazaar "ssl.ca_certs should be supported in authentication.conf" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924220
[13:36] <Merwin__> bug #1
[13:36] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[15:23] <mgz> what the b- config? <http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/825188/>
[15:23] <mgz> ^any ideas vila?
[15:24]  * mgz downgrades from 2.5b5 to something b4 for now
[15:25] <vila> O_o I used feed-pqm no later than... this morning ?
[15:25] <vila> and my copy is in sync with lp:hydrazine
[15:28] <vila> mgz: try *upgrading* hydrazine ?
[15:29] <vila> mgz: there is a bzrlib_version < (2, 5) to select the right config (and you run 2.5b5 not trunk ?)
[15:31] <mgz> ah yes, missing r102 from hydrazine
[15:52] <abadger1999> I know we've had discussions about supported timeframes for various things like python-2.4 in the past so I'm going to post this for people to know that things have changed for one of the distros I package for.
[15:52] <abadger1999> Just an FYI, for future discussions
[15:52] <abadger1999> http://www.redhat.com/about/news/press-archive/2012/1/red-hat-enterprise-linux-stability-drives-demand-for-more-flexibility-in-long-term-operating-system-deployments
[15:52] <abadger1999> The RHEL5+ lifecycle has been expanded to 10 years.
[15:53] <mgz> yup, that's been pretty widely linky-ed.
[15:53] <abadger1999> k
[15:54]  * abadger1999 now looking at supporting stuff on python-2.4 until March 31, 2017
[15:56] <mgz> that doesn't feel to bad, unless you're also being bugged to move things to Python 3 at the same time.
[15:57] <mgz> we've yet to make any significant use of post-2.4 features
[15:57] <mgz> various sugar like with and str.format are getting scatterred around but it's not code that couldn't be written the old way

[16:01] <abadger1999> I'm liking the idea of plugins for old versions if new repository formats are made too.... less work for me to package a plugin than to backport fixes/patch out post-py2.4 code in order to get a new format.
[16:20]  * SamB wonders what Ubuntu is going to do when they pass z
[16:22] <mgedmin> wrap around to a, probably
[16:22] <mgedmin> maybe a double a
[16:22] <mgedmin> aawful aardvark?
[16:22] <mgedmin> that's what speadsheets use after z, after all
[16:30] <mgz> only gets you one more animal.
[16:30] <mgz> debian has a more pressing naming problem.
[16:32] <mgz> they've already run through all the toy story characters anyone knows about.
[16:54] <mneptok> dude, Barbie.
[16:55] <mneptok> i *started* using Debian only in hopes that one day i could say, "I'm a Barbie user," without having to buy those horrid dolls.
[16:57] <SamB> mgedmin: yes, but ~aawfull doesn't compare after ~zany
[16:58] <mgedmin> hmm
[16:58] <SamB> as for Debian, they will presumably have to switch naming schemes at some point, yes, but at least this won't be a *technical* problem
[16:59] <SamB> (assuming they leave sid as-is)
[16:59] <mneptok> hmmm ... Mattel should make a "Debian Barbie"
[16:59] <SamB> they should include a USB stick with a net installer
[17:00] <SamB> (A copy of Debian testing?)
[17:50] <vila> abadger1999: have you considered having python-2.7 available in addition to 2.4 ?
[17:50] <vila> abadger1999: well, 'you' in the collective sense I mean
[17:53] <abadger1999> vila: In the epel5 world, we do have a python26 package (no python27 atm).
[17:54] <abadger1999> vila: but -- if we moved bzr to that, we'd need to create a parallel stack of all the python26 modules that bzr requires.
[17:54] <vila> abadger1999: epel5 ?
[17:54] <abadger1999> vila: addon packages for RHEL5 and rhel5 clones.
[17:54] <vila> thanks
[17:55] <vila> yeah, you need to find the right balance
 definitely.
[17:58] <vila> I think the most important ones are cython|pyrex, python-paramiko and python-configobj, akk the others are for testing
[17:58] <vila> well python-pycurl is still needed probably but not for too long hopefully
[18:00] <mgz> right, break for an hour, just need to remember to come back and listen in on Barry's chat
[18:01] <abadger1999> yeah... I'm very hesitant to just build bzr without invoking the test suite, though ;-)
[18:07]  * SamB thinks it would be a lot better if bzr would branch 0 or 1 revision initially, and actually make a branch, before pulling anything else into the repository
[18:08] <SamB> (In terms of what happens when a "bzr branch" command gets interrupted.)
[18:48]  * SamB wonders how stupid it would be to replace bzr's native repository format with a variant of git's
[18:48] <LeoNerd> IIRC, formats are largely invisible to the user.
[18:49] <LeoNerd> That's one main philosophy difference between bzr and git.
[18:49] <SamB> I'm just wondering if it would be good for efficiency
[18:49] <LeoNerd> bzr holds the tool UI canonical, and re-invents the data format underneath it to better help the user
[18:49] <LeoNerd> git holds the data format canonical, and re-invents the tool UI to better help the user
[18:50] <jelmer> SamB: are you still hitting performance issues with 2.5 ?
[18:51] <jelmer> (FWIW, bzr supports git's repository format through bzr-git but because the latter uses dulwich it's significantly slower than native git)
[18:52] <LeoNerd> I've never been able to make bzr-git work without running out of "disk" space in /tmp
[18:52] <LeoNerd> ((I use tmpfs))
[18:53] <SamB> jelmer: I'm not sure if it's as bad as it was, but it's taking forever to pull lp:launchpad ...
[18:55] <jelmer> LeoNerd: that's odd, since it shouldn't really be storing anything in /tmp other than the pack file it receives from the remote git server
[18:55] <jelmer> SamB: Launchpad is large :)
[18:55] <SamB> jelmer: and I was thinking something along the lines of: use git's 'object store' format(s), and probably the existing 'blob' format
[18:56] <SamB> but make up new object types to represent the other bzr concepts
[18:56] <SamB> (how many other concepts are there?)
[18:56] <SamB> (in a repository, I mean)
[18:56] <jelmer> SamB: bzr and git pack files aren't too different, I don't think remaining performance issues are related to the formats
[18:56] <SamB> hmm
[18:57] <jelmer> it would be interesting to further optimise pack fetching over HPSS, but I doubt that that requires format changes
[19:00] <SamB> did you say anything between "bzr and git pack files aren't too different" and when I got back on?
[19:01] <jelmer> SamDB: it would be interesting to further optimise pack fetching over HPSS, but I don't that that requires changes as introdusive as format changes.
[19:01] <SamB> yeah, I cought that after I returned
[19:20]  * SamB wonders if putting transient stuff on disk instead of keeping it in memory wouldn't help
[19:21] <SamB> (Well, sometimes, anyway.)
[19:30] <abentley> vila: AFACT "diff --summarize" is not a real thing, and was not real at the time this was submitted:  https://code.launchpad.net/~jbowtie/bzr/doc-bzr-st-historical-532600/+merge/35950
[19:46] <SamB> abentley: maybe "--stat"?
[19:47] <abentley> SamB: bzr: ERROR: no such option: --stat
[19:47] <SamB> oh
[19:47]  * SamB misread a "git" into there somehow
[21:06] <milki> eh, its a jelmer
[21:07] <jelmer> hey milki
[21:07] <milki> you arent in #dulwich o.O
[21:07] <jelmer> whoops
[21:14] <michaelh1> I'm using bzrlib on a long-running task.  How can I turn on some type of debug/progress to show that it's ticking along?
[21:14] <michaelh1> (this is a throw-away script.  My Google-foo fails me)
[21:15] <jelmer> hi michaelh1
[21:16] <michaelh1> Hey
[21:16] <jelmer> michaelh1: the simplest thing to do would be to create a progress bar
[21:16] <jelmer> michaelh1: are you calling bzrlib.initialize() ?
[21:17] <michaelh1> jelmer: no
[21:17] <jelmer> michaelh1: if you do so, it should install the standard termninal UI for you I think
[21:18] <michaelh1> OK.  Added, it's still silent, how can I turn on the progress bar?
[21:23] <fullermd> Kl
[21:23]  * fullermd mutters.
[21:24] <jelmer> michaelh1: that should do it, when there's stuff to display
[21:25] <jelmer> michaelh1: if you're using the Launchpad API as well, that doesn't use bzrlib
[21:25] <jelmer> oops, nevermind
[21:25]  * SamB wonders what in the world all these huge "Repository.get_parent_map" HPSS calls are for
[21:25]  * jelmer is confused by talking with Michael Hope and Michael Hall at the same time
[21:26] <jelmer> SamB: browsing the revision graph
[21:26] <SamB> jelmer: why does *my* bzr need to browse the *remote* graph?
[21:26] <jelmer> SamB: it depends on what you're doing
[21:26] <SamB> shouldn't it leave that to the remote?
[21:27] <jelmer> SamB: if you're running "bzr log lp:bzr" then it would look at the remote revision graph to find out what to display
[21:27] <michaelh1> jelmer: hmm.  the backtrace shows that it's in search_missing_revision_ids.  This is GCC so that may take some time and there might be no progress.
[21:27] <SamB> hmm
[21:27] <SamB> well, I wasn't
[21:27] <SamB> I'm just pulling
[21:27] <michaelh1> CPU usage is zero so it might be round tripping.  I'll update bzr from 2.3.4 and try again.
[21:29] <jelmer> SamB: in that case it's finding out which revisions it needs to fetch
[21:29] <SamB> there's got to be a better way to do that
[21:29] <jelmer> SamB: Git does the same thing (the "want " / "have " bits)
[21:29] <jelmer> SamB: for some cases, yes, definitely
[21:29] <michaelh1> Is there a PPA with 2.5b5 in it?
[21:30] <jelmer> SamB: if you're a couple of revisions behind on what you're pulling from, or creating an initial clone then it's fine
[21:30] <michaelh1> Ah, found it
[21:30] <SamB> jelmer: assuming you don't run out of RAM and have to interrupt bzr mid-way
[21:31] <jelmer> SamB: in that case you wouldn't end up with any data anyway I think
[21:31] <SamB> why would you think that ?
[21:31] <michaelh1> Ah, much better with 2.5b5
[21:34] <jelmer> SamB: it streams to a temporary pack file, which I think gets removed if you abort it.
[22:38]  * SamB thinks the smart protocol would be easier to understand if it weren't based on RPC ...
[22:40] <jelmer> SamB: hmm?
[22:40] <SamB> maybe not
[22:40] <jelmer> SamB: RPC is a fairly generic term, not a protocol
[22:41] <SamB> I guess what would really help was if there was some kind of ... spec
[22:42] <jelmer> SamB: see doc/developers/network-protocol.txt IIRC
[22:43] <jelmer> not great, but more than nothing :)
[22:43] <SamB> yes, it is more than nothing
[22:49] <jelmer> SamB: good places to start in the code are bzrlib/remote.py (all client-side callers are here) and bzrlib/smart/, in particular bzrlib/smart/request.py
[22:50] <SamB> yeah, I was already looking at bzrlib/remote
[22:50] <SamB> it's aptly named
[22:50] <jelmer> :)
[22:51] <SamB> this thing that you did not actually call a spec does also at least refer to relevant modules
[22:54] <fullermd> It's a speck of a spec   8-}
[22:54] <SamB> I guess you'd call it a "stub"
[22:55] <SamB> well, if you were a wikipedian, anyway
[22:56] <SamB>   Code not geared to do pipelined requests, and this might require doing
[22:56] <SamB>   asynchrony within bzrlib.  We might want to either go fully pipelined
[22:56] <SamB>   and asynchronous, but there might be a profitable middle ground.
[22:56] <SamB> there seem to be some words missing here ...
[22:56] <fullermd> It was written during the Great Verb Drought of 2009.  They were strictly rationed, and as a free software project, we can't afford to splurge on non-essentials.
[22:57] <SamB> ... right ...
[22:57] <jelmer> SamB: s/Code/The code is /
[22:57] <SamB> what about the whole idea that's missing in the second sentance?
[22:58] <SamB> or is that just an "and" that should be "or"?
[22:58] <fullermd> It's probably more like an extra word than a missing one.
[22:58] <fullermd> I think it calls for an either-ectomy.
[22:58] <SamB> ah
[23:00] <SamB> what does "tw=74" mean, exactly?
[23:00] <fullermd> vim modeline
[23:02] <SamB> is that the same as `fill-column' in emacs, do you think?
[23:02] <jelmer> yep, "textwidth" - it indicates the number of colums in a text document
[23:05] <SamB> good, good
[23:06]  * SamB has started editing and wanted to make sure to follow the local conventions
[23:12] <SamB> git does something fairly simple here: the client sends "have" messages in batches of 32, but sends an "extra" block to start with so there's always one in flight...
[23:14] <jelmer> SamB: git has a completely different approach here - it only supports receiving a pack and sending a pack
[23:14] <SamB> well why not?
[23:14] <jelmer> bzr supports all operations remotely; the initial calls that were added were for low-level operations, and over time more high-level operations have been added (for performance reasons)
[23:14] <SamB> it's not that hard to make a pack
[23:15] <jelmer> SamB: git doesn't allow you to inspect a remote repository in any way; "git log git://foo.com/bar" doesn't work
[23:15] <SamB> well, true
[23:15] <jelmer> SamB: the streams sent by bzr over HPSS are packs
[23:15] <SamB> though nowadays the protocol doesn't actually prevent that
[23:17] <SamB> (I mean, with the "shallow" stuff, it wouldn't really be all that tricky to do git logging remotely.)
[23:19] <jelmer> SamB: does that allow you to retrieve just commit objects? I thought you would get the commit contents with it as well?
[23:19] <jelmer> SamB: and it requires you to create a new connection for each request that you do
[23:19] <SamB> jelmer: oh, maybe
[23:20]  * jelmer actually has more experience with the Git protocol than with the bzr protocol
[23:20] <SamB> but that seems unlikely to make things much worse
[23:20] <SamB> you'd just have to throw them away, right?
[23:21] <SamB> ... unless there might be deltified commits based on blobs or trees?
[23:22] <jelmer> SamB: yes, but you'd have to do the negotiation each time you connect, and there could be a lot of data you throw out.
[23:22] <jelmer> SamB: bzr does that bit really quickly these days (not against launchpad, but against a modern bzr server)
[23:22] <SamB> oh, right, launchpad is probably running something old, true
[23:23] <jelmer> but I think we're getting distracted from the discussion about optimizing fetch :)
[23:23] <SamB> yeah, a bit
[23:23] <jelmer> SamB: so basically there is a generic call for retrieving objects in the HPSS
[23:24] <jelmer> SamB: Repository.insert_stream and Repository.get_stream allow you to send and receive streamed packs of objects like texts, chkbytes (inventories), revisions and signatures
[23:24] <jelmer> SamB: Repository.get_stream receives some sort of search result which indicates the kind of objects that the client wants to receive
[23:25] <jelmer> s/result//
[23:25] <jelmer> SamB: (bzrlib/vf_search.py for some of the search types)
[23:29] <jelmer> the searches do support things like "give me the data for revision X1..Xn but exclude everything that is an ancestor of Y1..Yn"
[23:29] <SamB> ... it would also be nice if it didn't use so much memory during the streaming phase, hmm ...
[23:30] <jelmer> SamB: I'm not sure why it would be using so much memory, my guess is that it could just stream directly to the pack file, but I'm not sure what's happening in practice. Perhaps a bug ?
[23:31] <SamB> bug, missing feature, who knows?
[23:34] <lifeless> jelmer: SamB: we're running 2.5b3
[23:34] <lifeless> this isn't really 'old'
[23:34] <SamB> okay
[23:34] <lifeless> maybe not 'newest', but not like we're running 1.8 or something :->
[23:35] <SamB> I was thinking more 2.3 or 2.4
[23:35] <SamB> well, after jelmer gave me the idea that it might not be the latest
[23:35] <jelmer> lifeless: it predates the collection of HPSS improvements we landed in 2.5
[23:36] <jelmer> lifeless: it's not really old, but landing 2.5b5 will have a significant impact for some operations
[23:36] <lifeless> cool
[23:37] <SamB> does it somehow return better answers for Repository.get_parent_map ?
[23:37] <jelmer> SamB: nope, it's doesn't help in that regard
[23:38] <jelmer> SamB: If I understand things correctly, "bzr pull" shouldn't be calling Repository.get_parent_map too often in your case anyway
[23:38] <jelmer> SamB: if it's trying to figure out the revno of a revision by browsing branch history then those improvements will help
[23:38] <SamB> well, it seems to do a lot of those at the beginning of the pull
[23:39] <jelmer> SamB: can you see why?
[23:39] <SamB> well, lets see ...
[23:39] <jelmer> SamB: Ctrl+\ should land you in a python debugger
[23:40] <SamB> 8.069  hpss call:   'Branch.last_revision_info', '+branch/launchpad/'
[23:40] <SamB> 8.069               (to bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/launchpad/)
[23:40] <SamB> 8.169     result:   ('ok', '14742'<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:40] <SamB> then a bit later
[23:40] <SamB> 8.300  hpss call w/body: 'Repository.get_parent_map', '+branch/launchpad/', 'include-missing:'<EMAIL_ADDRESS>('\n\n0'...)
[23:40] <SamB> 8.300                3 bytes
[23:40] <SamB> 8.921     result:   ('ok',)
[23:40] <SamB> 9.162                64719 body bytes read
[23:41] <jelmer> SamB: it's more interesting to see what high-level request triggers the HPSS call
[23:41] <jelmer> (and perhaps shouldn't)
[23:41] <spiv> jelmer: hmm.
[23:41] <spiv> jelmer: you know…
[23:42] <spiv> jelmer: It'd be possible to write a -Dhpsswhy flag I reckon
[23:42] <SamB> yes, of course it would
[23:42] <spiv> jelmer: that adds to -Dhpss which method of Branch/Repository/BzrDir triggered it
[23:43] <spiv> jelmer: by horrible stack introspection :)
[23:43] <SamB> (but what if there were more than one involved?)
[23:43] <spiv> List them all.  Shouldn't be more than three most of the time I'd reckon
[23:44] <spiv> It would be a good middle-ground between context-less -Dhpss now and having to manually get full tracebacks with Ctrl-\
[23:45] <spiv> E.g. adding "via: BzrDir.sprout, Branch.sprout, Repository.get_parent_map" or whatever
[23:46] <jelmer> spiv: hmm, that'd indeed be nice :)
[23:48] <SamB> is there some way to get more ordinarily-formatted traceback in pdb?
[23:50] <spiv> SamB: I guess you can just use "import traceback; traceback.print_stack()"
[23:51] <SamB> hehe
[23:51] <SamB> that shows me a lot of pbd's own stack frames
[23:55] <spiv> I guess it would :)
[23:59] <SamB> http://paste.debian.net/154425/


[02:17] <robtygart> #Andorid
[02:17] <robtygart> oops
[02:18] <robtygart> sorry look for a channel...
[13:02] <Riddell> 12:20 < mck182> shadeslayer Riddell: I've installed the -rc packages from the kubuntu ppa and now I'm getting this: http://paste.kde.org/630416/
[13:02] <Riddell> 12:23 < mck182> muon won't start, libmuonprivate1 won't be installed and I'm just unsure what to do
[13:03] <Riddell> yofel_: recognise that? ^^
[13:03] <yofel_> no, I'll look at it
[13:12] <yofel> Riddell: I can't reproude that. The output of apt-get -f install might be useful, or just installing with -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=true might be helpful
[13:17] <Riddell> yofel: yeah he's gone offline alas
[13:20] <yofel> I'll upload l10n in the meanwhile
[13:47] <Riddell> yofel: for raring or quantal?
[13:48] <yofel> raring first
[13:48] <Riddell> lovely thanks
[14:18] <Riddell> Darkwing: mm?
[14:19] <Riddell> weren't you getting one from Quintasan?
[14:41] <yofel> kde bug 310486 is still there in rc1...
[15:16] <Tm_T> yofel: I just did logout successfully
[15:16] <Tm_T> and now I'm on new KDE session, new icons I notice
[15:17] <yofel> Tm_T: only happens on 4.9 -> 4.10 upgrades
[15:17] <Tm_T> ...aaand plasma-desktop crashed (:
[15:17] <yofel> yay...
[15:18] <Tm_T> aah, it didn't it just lost wallpaper image
[16:29] <ronnoc> Are there plans to update KTorrent to 4.3.x for Raring or should I file a packaging bug? 4.2.1 is largely unuseable and 4.3 has been out since Sep.
[16:31] <Riddell> are you volunteering? :)
[16:51] <yofel> ronnoc: please file a packaging bug in any case
[16:52] <Riddell> I'd show you how to do it if you are volunteering
[18:07] <yofel> from #kubuntu : http://i.imgur.com/HgSBm.png
[18:07] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1085519] KDE SC 4.10 processes cookies differently than 4.9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1085519 (by Marco Parillo)
[18:26] <Riddell> well spotted :)
[18:33] <yofel> any ideas how to make plasma not show the kde-default.png symlink as an image without metadata? http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/dupimg.png
[18:35]  * yofel is out for a while
[18:36] <ronnoc> Riddell: I don't package, sadly
[18:37] <ronnoc> but it's still on my list to learn how
[18:37] <yofel> kubotu: help newpackage
[18:37] <kubotu> no help for topic newpackage
[18:37] <yofel> geh, still disabled
[18:37] <yofel> apachelogger: ^
[18:37] <ronnoc> ahhh just read above. yes I'd love to learn :)
[18:41] <yofel> hm, newpackage is still broken
[18:41] <yofel> apachelogger: nvm, needs more fixing -.-
[18:45] <yofel> great, launchpadlib is broken... http://paste.kde.org/630620
[18:46]  * yofel gone for real now
[18:48] <skreech__> Anyone knows what the C++ construct  "event e = async(who, machine, shape) (newFunction, a, b, c)" is called?
[18:49] <skreech__> or wehre there is documentation on it?
[19:16] <Riddell> ronnoc: well I said I'd help you :)
[20:51] <yofel> ronnoc: if you do plan to do it please assign yourself to bug 1093339


[09:51] <jluc> hop http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=12349
[10:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[23:04] <wilee-nilee> Getting  a partial upgrade here, check your own, and do not run a partial upgrade!!!!
[23:59] <dirty__> hey guys just installed 14.10 and its knocked the scroller on my touchpad out of action any guidance on regaining it?
[23:59] <wilee-nilee> dirty__, Are you aware this is a development, not released?


[01:19] <bkerensa> :) Happy Holidays Valorie
[07:31] <valorie> merry Xmas and happy new year to you bkerensa
[07:31] <valorie> and everybody!
[07:35] <bkerensa> :)
[07:36] <valorie> how was your xmas, bkerensa?
[07:39] <bkerensa> valorie: Very nice... How was yours?
[07:40] <valorie> started out horrible -- my old doggie died Xmas Eve morning
[07:40] <valorie> but since I got to spend that evening and the next with family
[07:40] <bkerensa> valorie: Thats sad to hear =/
[07:40] <valorie> ended up good\
[07:40] <bkerensa> good :D
[07:40] <valorie> I miss him a lot
[07:40] <bkerensa> valorie: Got a question about UDS sponsorship
[07:41] <valorie> he would have been 17 next week
[07:41] <bkerensa> valorie: If a member gets sponsored how do they cover travel and hotel costs?
[07:41] <valorie> you can ask for either or both
[07:41] <valorie> and you don't have to be a member
[07:42] <valorie> how -- you can keep your reciepts and ask for reimbursement, or they will buy your tickets for you
[07:42] <valorie> hotel is covered and most meals if you are sponsored
[07:42] <bkerensa> valorie: Ahh so I can indeed ask for them to just buy them for me?
[07:43] <valorie> yup
[07:43] <bkerensa> ok good
[07:43] <bkerensa> :D
[07:43] <valorie> they have a travel bureau
[07:43] <bkerensa> I'm hoping to go to UDS :D
[07:43] <valorie> very good
[07:43] <valorie> cool, me too
[07:43] <bkerensa> +1
[07:43] <bkerensa> oh
[07:43] <valorie> whether or not they sponsor
[07:43] <bkerensa> valorie: I need some help talking O'Reilly into giving the Ubuntu PNW locos a booth
[07:43] <bkerensa> ie: WA/OR
[07:43] <bkerensa> :D
[07:43] <valorie> although staying in the hotel is really nice
[07:43] <valorie> everything is THERE
[07:44] <valorie> really?
[07:44] <valorie> they have always covered that
[07:44] <valorie> but give me an address and I'll write
[07:44] <bkerensa> valorie: Yeah.... Well I asked them and they told me something along the lines that "Dot org booths are in high demand so you will have to apply in March"
[07:44] <valorie> heh
[07:45] <valorie> we'll get one
[07:45] <bkerensa> ok
[07:45] <bkerensa> ;)
[07:45] <bkerensa> I plan to make this booth good this time (Conference Kit, Sign etc. )
[07:45] <valorie> when the time comes, please tell me, and I'll write too
[07:46] <bkerensa> ok :)
[07:46] <valorie> awesome!
[07:46] <valorie> sec
[07:48] <valorie> I got an early xmas present -- a treadmill and walking desk
[07:48] <valorie> tired tonight, had to quit
[07:49] <valorie> after spending so much time with my dad after he broke his other hip
[07:49] <valorie> I NEVER want to end up like that
[07:50] <valorie> I think he wishes he'd spent less time in a chair in front of his TV
[07:51] <valorie> (FOX News at 100% volume)
[07:53] <bkerensa> valorie: Uhh fox news? :D I think I will hold comments :D
[07:53] <valorie> exactly
[07:53] <valorie> it was too loud for your comments to be heard, anyway
[07:54] <valorie> lol
[07:55] <bkerensa> heh
[07:56]  * bkerensa is buying stuff off ubuntu store to giveaway to Ubuntu Oregon folks to try and generate more activity
[07:56] <bkerensa> :D
[07:56] <valorie> that's how I was raised -- fundamentalist right-wing
[07:56] <valorie> needless to say, once I got some education, I changed my world-view
[07:57] <valorie> nice
[07:59] <bkerensa> valorie: I kind of wish the loco's on the west coast got together and did like quarterly buys
[07:59] <bkerensa> the shipping canonical charges is beyond highway robbery
[07:59] <bkerensa> :(
[07:59] <valorie> agreed
[08:00] <valorie> to get Kubuntu stuff, I had to pay shipping from the UK
[08:00] <valorie> shipping was actually more than the stuff I bought
[08:00] <valorie> still worth it though
[08:00] <bkerensa> better yet if I'm spending money to promote Ubuntu they should give me a discount on shipping that or have a local Canonical person who handles U.S. purchasers :D
[08:00] <valorie> I'm sure that you could coordinate buys if you write to the lists, plus PNW
[08:01] <bkerensa> I bought a hat and some pens for christmas and shipping was close to $20 and it took almost two weeks :(
[08:01] <bkerensa> yeah
[08:01] <bkerensa> I think Im going to
[08:02] <valorie> people will want stuff before Scale and LFNW
[08:02] <valorie> write soon.....
[08:12] <bkerensa> :D
[08:12] <bkerensa> kk
[08:12] <bkerensa> valorie: Did you get my e-mail?
[08:12] <valorie> oh, let me look
[08:12] <valorie> haven't been home much
[08:17] <valorie> wow, lots of questions
[08:17] <valorie> I'll get to work on it
[08:18] <bkerensa> :D
[08:18] <valorie> damn, a week?
[08:18] <valorie> I'm so sorry
[08:18] <valorie> xmas has been busy
[08:18] <bkerensa> valorie: I'm hoping to get the spotlight on some other women contributors in the Ubuntu community
[08:18] <bkerensa> ;)
[08:21] <valorie> good deal
[08:21] <valorie> we need the guys to help in the effort, in order to have success


[00:00] <kkerwin> streetfighter: Doing ok?
[00:01] <streetfighter> that is taking me too much time ?
[00:02] <kkerwin> Well, I just wanted to make sure that you weren't confused.
[00:04] <zacarias> how do you change your default login manager when you have severl desktops? I'm running Kubuntu but, when I logout, I always have GDM.
[00:06] <Torch> zacarias: might be sufficient to just modify /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[00:06] <Torch> zacarias: haven't tried though
[00:08] <zacarias> Torch: I'll try that. Tx
[00:17] <Zacarias> Torch: Well, I tried that and I ended up with no DM. I just have a prompt, I made login, but no X. How do I start X?
[00:17] <Torch> Zacarias: if that does not immediately work, i suggest you undo your changes.
[00:19] <Torch> Zacarias: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[00:20] <Torch> Zacarias: it might ask if you want to set kdm as your default display manager
[00:20] <Zacarias> Yes, I did it from the prompt. Now I'm trying to reboot. It will probably work.
[00:20] <Torch> Zacarias: it does not for me because i don't have any other dm installed, but i dimly remember... ok.
[00:21] <Zacarias> Torch: ok, I'll try that also. (I'm writing from a Mac). There it is, the GDM.
[00:27] <speedyone> hey
[00:31] <Zacarias> Torch: it did work! Thanks
[00:32] <Torch> Zacarias: yw
[00:37] <streetfighter> good day every body  and thank you kkerwin
[00:38] <Programmer_> any idea why when i do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade everything on my system wants to uninstall
[01:10] <ScottyK> Is kubuntu 11.10 too much to handle on an old computer with an AMD XP 1500 CPU, and 1.5GB RAM?
[01:17] <lethu> ScottyK, not if you disable all the resource demanding eye-candy
[01:18] <lethu> ScottyK, otherwise I would advise going with a lighter desktop environment
[01:18] <lethu> like OpenBox
[01:19] <lethu> or xfce
[01:27] <ScottyK> Lethu - I was thinking Xubuntu as the backup, thanks for heads up!
[01:30] <lethu> ScottyK, yw
[02:16] <Guest9457> I'm trying to upgrade to kubunutu 11.10 from ubuntu 10.10 without doing a clean install how would I go about doing that?
[02:17] <EvilResistance> Guest9457:  you'd have to do incremental upgrades...
[02:17] <EvilResistance> Guest9457:  are you trying to switch from KDE to GNOME/Unity, or do you want to keep KDE?
[02:18] <Guest9457> I'm already using GNOME and want to go into KDE
[02:18] <EvilResistance> Guest9457:  ah.
[02:18] <Guest9457> I'm going Ubuntu [02:18] <EvilResistance> Guest9457:  i see.  you can *start* by installing kubuntu-desktop from the repos
[02:18] <EvilResistance> i saw your statement and reread your older one
[02:18] <Guest9457> okay
[02:19] <Guest9457> how would I go about doing that?
[02:19] <EvilResistance> Guest9457:  in terminal: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:19] <EvilResistance> note you'll have a TON of stuff that gets downloaded
[02:20] <EvilResistance> (the gnome stuff will still exist, i know there's a method for removing it but i dont remember what it is)
[02:20] <Guest9457> it will leave a bunch of kde jive in with my gnome right?
[02:20] <EvilResistance> it'll add a bunch of KDE stuff to your installation
[02:20] <EvilResistance> the GNOME stuff will still exist...
[02:20] <EvilResistance> but it wont display well in KDE
[02:20] <Guest9457> okay that's fine
[02:21] <EvilResistance> after its done installing all the stuff from kubuntu-desktop, you'll need to do release upgrades twice... once to get to 11.04 Natty, and then another time to get to 11.10 Oneiric
[02:21] <EvilResistance> that command is sudo do-release-upgrade
[02:21] <EvilResistance> BUT BEFORE YOU RUN THAT
[02:21] <EvilResistance> back up your files
[02:21] <FloodBotK3> EvilResistance: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:22] <Guest9457> oh yeah I meant 11.10
[02:22] <EvilResistance> in case the thing explodes and your system breaks.
[02:22] <Guest9457> I'm already on oneiric
[02:22] <EvilResistance> Guest9457:  ah.  if you're on oneiric, just install kubuntu-desktop
[02:22] <EvilResistance> then you'll be fine
[02:23] <Guest9457> neat thanks
[03:28] <Programmer_> any idea why when i do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade everything on my system wants to uninstall
[03:33] <EvilResistance> Programmer_:  are you trying to upgrade to the next version of ubuntu, or no?
[03:33] <EvilResistance> (dist-upgrade is kinda wonky btw)
[03:39] <Guest62415> tring to network 2 linux computers for file sharing  i do the right click on a folder go to the tab share and it has a tab to install samba it will not let me shae.thought samba was for linux to windows? how can i fix this?
[03:41] <Programmer_> EvilResistance, whatever dist-upgrade does
[03:41] <Programmer_> now i cant even boot the new kernel for some reason
[03:48] <w30> part
[03:56] <Guest62415> so, does anyone know why it wants my to install samba?
, so you can share folders
[05:19] <arinov_> i want connect kubuntu to network printer for windows via samba
[05:19] <arinov_> when i brows network it see nothing
[05:19] <arinov_> printer works with ubuntu, but in kubuntu i cant find it
[05:20] <arinov_> help me to fix it, what packages i have to install?
[05:20] <arinov_> computer with printer available and i can download files from shared folder
[05:21] <arinov_> but i cant see printers
[05:31] <arinov_> and how can i set static ip, network manager does not use my custom connection
[05:33] <arinov_> is there anybody? =)
[05:34] <EvilResistance> this is one of the slightly slower periods, you may have to wait a couple of hours to get a decent response...
[05:34] <EvilResistance> !Patience
[05:34] <arinov_> ok
[06:36] <arinov_> help me with smb printer configuration please
[06:44] <betornillo> ?
[06:49] <arinov_> betornillo: i am trying to connect to windows netork printer via samba
[06:49] <boehmer> hello
[06:49] <boehmer> somebody can help with issues with akonadi?
[06:49] <arinov_> printer configuration program cant find printer
[06:50] <boehmer> when using kmail it complains akonadi doesn't work. i figured out that i might have multiple mysql's running. the report says akonadi server and nepomuk aren't registered at d-bus
[06:50] <boehmer> i once used fedora and moved my /home to kubuntu
[06:51] <boehmer> since then it's screwed. when writing mails kmail completely freezes after some sentences or when sending the mail
[06:51] <boehmer> definitely need to fix that issue but fail on my own:( already worked through http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting
[06:59] <arinov_> is there a commercial support of kubuntu?
[07:02] <ts2> arinov_: yes, the same as for Ubuntu
[07:03] <ts2> but unless you want to buy a contract from Canonical, you'll have to search it out from a third party
[07:05] <arinov_> ts2: why in ubuntu my printer via samba works fine out of the box, but not in kubuntu?
[07:05] <arinov_> what is wrong?
[07:05] <arinov_> the same version
[07:06] <arinov_> the same cups
[07:06] <arinov_> the same printer, network and system
[07:06] <ts2> I can't say, but it should work exactly the same as far as I can think of
[07:06] <ts2> but I don't use a printer at all now, so I can't really offer any help
[07:06] <arinov_> ok
[07:07] <ts2> arinov_: the only thing I found was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[07:08] <ts2> but it looks Ubuntu (gnome) based
[07:08] <arinov_> ubuntu printer configuration tool works, kubuntu's does not
[07:08] <arinov_> i am trying to find out why
[09:14] <Savior> hi
[09:14] <Savior> can someone tell me how to install a new system language?
[09:28] <saksham> hi
[09:29] <saksham> hello
[09:38] <bdizzle> hi, I need some help with setting the application command and work path on the icon settings
[09:39] <bdizzle> I am trying to set it up so that when I click the icon, it launches konsole, then pipes two or three commands to konsole to run the program I want
[09:40] <bdizzle> I also need help permanently setting a system variable path. I tried using export, but it has a case of memory loss as soon as I close the terminal window
[09:50] <bdizzle> or another idea would be to somehow get terminal to acknowledge the command "root" to open CERN's ROOT so that I don't have to go into konsole, type ". /$HOME/root/bin/thisroot.sh" and then "root" each time I want to use the program
[11:43] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[12:17] <joan__> please, does anybody know how to ged rid of gnoem and unity? I installed them because there's an app caled Sigil for editing epub files that doesn't work in kde
[12:17] <joan__> *gnome
[12:18] <joan__> I've searched on the Internet but haven't found anything that *really* works
[12:20] <Peace-> joan__: seach this pure kde
[12:20] <Peace->  joan__http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[12:20] <Peace->  joan__ http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[12:20] <joan__> ok, let's see
[12:26] <HorusHorrendus> bambee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmygpo-qt/+bug/914720 <- I think (I'm not good in understanding this bug, it sounds strange) they want to have libmygpo-qt in main ... I think you packaged it for the ppa or?
[12:26] <HorusHorrendus> wanna get your package into main or take care of that stuff ;)
[12:59] <SeanTater> When reinstalling (k)ubuntu, do you need to install/setup anything in order to detect  an existing software RAID array
[13:14] <eichi> hello. I changed /etc/hostname but not /etc/hosts -> now sudo seems not to run anymore! what can I do now?
[13:15] <eichi> thats why I cant change the /etc/hosts now ;D
[13:19] <SeanTater> eichi: for future reference I think this is what the program "hostname" is for. ;P But the only way i can think of that you could change /etc/hosts is by booting into recovery mode and then selecting a root prompt when it boots
[13:19] <SeanTater> There might be a way of getting around it though --
[13:20] <SeanTater> Maybe you could open it with a graphical text editor? I think they use policykit instead so it might work, but I wouldn't swear to it
[13:23] <eichi> SeanTater: which gui editor I can use, which promts for password?
[13:24] <eichi> but no problem, I use recovery mode
[13:24] <eichi> its just kubuntu in virtual box ;) boots in seconds
[13:26] <eichi> hm, I thought ESC gives my grub promt?
[13:27] <DerezzedGoat> eichi: you may need to press and hold earlier
[13:28] <eichi> DerezzedGoat: okay, sounds like a reaction game ;) I will try
[13:29] <eichi> hm. maybe its a problem with virtualbox, that it pipes the ESC to late to guest system :(
[13:31] <SeanTater> Failing that, you could always boot the install CD and edit the file from there.
[13:32] <SeanTater> You'll still need to use sudo but I don't think there's a password on the install/live cd
[13:34] <caius_> hello
[13:35] <caius_> can someone help me in solving a kubuntu problem?
[13:35] <eichi> okay, now use a ubuntu live cd in VM - never thought that changing hostname in linux can costs my so much time ;D
[13:35] <eichi> caius_: maybe?
[13:36] <aprol> hi aLL
[13:36] <caius_> eichi: i installesd yesterday kubuntu 11.10
[13:36] <SeanTater> eichi: Usually it doesn't ;P
[13:36] <eichi> caius_: thats the idea of this channel - but you have to tell your problem first - hard to help you at the moment
[13:36] <SeanTater> eichi: You could probably mount the virtual disk as a volume but I don't know off hand how. It's probably tougher tha booting a live cd
[13:36] <caius_> iǜe got a system message that there are updates availeble
[13:37] <caius_> i wanted to install them
[13:37] <SeanTater> eichi: unfortunately I have to go; bye
[13:37] <caius_> but the system hang up
[13:37] <eichi> SeanTater: bye
[13:39] <caius_> today i wanted to install pidgin and muon said that there is another program for software install is already running
[13:40] <caius_> and i have to close it first
[13:40] <eichi> caius_: maybe your update process canceled at some point?
[13:40] <eichi> try
[13:40] <eichi> sudo apt-get --configure -a
[13:40] <ts2> !aptfix
[13:41] <ts2> ^ the first command kills anything that may be locking the dpkg database
[13:42] <eichi> ts2: oh it was dkpg thought apt-get has this too ;)
[13:42] <eichi> dpkg
[13:42] <ts2> eichi: apt-get is just a front-end to dpkg anyway
[13:42] <eichi> I know
[13:43] <eichi> does not mean, that it pipes *all* comments that exists in dpkg to dpkg. know one knows...just the man page ;)
[13:44] <caius_> when it`s finished  i will try again to install software
[13:44] <caius_> i will let you know
[13:44] <caius_> thanks guys
[13:45] <caius_> it works!
[13:45] <ts2> eichi: the only thing apt does that dpkg does not do is give you the ability to resolve dependencies and download packages automatically, everything else is all dpkg
[13:46] <caius_> Thank you so much for help !!!
[13:47] <caius_> Bye
[13:55] <go8765> is this ppa good to update weechat? or i haveing problems with dependences https://launchpad.net/~number5/+archive/ppa
[14:05] <ts2> go8765: PPAs vary wildly in quality, you'd need to contact the owner of it for any support
[14:07] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[14:25] <go8765> ts2: and what about update of Konversation? i found only 1.3 version in synaptic
[14:28] <ts2> go8765: you can use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas to search for PPAs, but remember that they are created by third parties
[14:46] <sergey_> fdgdfg
[14:46] <sergey_> mode -i
[15:53] <sithlord48> anyone know how to set up the "new" subversion plugin for dolphin ?
[16:02] <Guest98817> my kubuntu hangs almost every other boot, according to system log just after
[16:03] <Guest98817> 11/1-2012 16:20:47	et-system	dbus[939]	[system] Activating service name='org.kubuntu.qaptworker' (using servicehelper)
[16:03] <Guest98817> anoone got clues
[16:04] <Guest98817> kernel log says:11/1-2012 16:14:57	EXT4-fs (sda6)	re-mounted. Opts: commit=0
[16:04] <Guest98817> and then nothing
[16:05] <sithlord48> disk read error? have you fscked that disk?
[16:05] <Guest98817> running kubuntu 11.10+
[16:06] <sithlord48> ok have you checked the disk for errors? did you just install ? was it after an update?
[16:07] <Guest98817> after update
[16:07] <Guest98817> I think, it has been running fine since 11.10 came out, just  a week ago or so did it start
[16:08] <Guest98817> maybe I should try the fsck disk... haven't done that yet
[16:20] <sithlord48> i would start with fsck.
[16:53] <janik> hi @ all
[17:09] <helderc> how can I use the ubuntu one service at kubuntu
[17:10] <daviddoria> how do I connect to a windows share? I went to "add network folder" -> microsoft windows network drive -> name: test , server: OtherComputer, Folder: nameOfSharedFolder, but a progress bar appears for several minutes and then it breaks
[17:13] <Riddell> daviddoria: can try smb://server/share  in dolphin address bar to check it works
[17:14] <Riddell> helderc: not well supported currently, the daemon runs but setup of it needs gnome bits installed
[17:15] <helderc> ah, ok ... thanks Riddell
[17:16] <daviddoria> Riddell, nope, it just has a progress bar at the bottom that says "loading folder" indefinitely
[17:17] <daviddoria> i just tried it from windows machine (\\server\share in Run) and it connected immediately
[17:18] <Riddell> daviddoria: then I'm afraid I don't know more since I don't run windows.  it would need checking if it works generally or just not on your setup and if it can be done on the command line
[18:23] <lordjj> Anyone knows where I can find a small ASCII Art of a coin? :P
[18:27] <simonedeo> hi
[19:09] <excognac> hi all. Unusual desktop behaviour, suddenly closed LibreOffice without saving and so. I think something really went wrong. Anyidea where to start?
[19:26] <paja> is there around any native english speaker?  I need just about 5 min help for checking abstract of my thesis..  If there were somebody, i would very appreciate it
[19:27] <BarkingFish> paja: not really kubuntu related, but I'm happy to take a look for you.
[19:27] <Pici> paja: theres also ##english
[19:28] <BarkingFish> that would be better for you paja, since I speak english like a native, but I'm not wholly native to the English language
[19:28] <paja> BarkingFish: thanks and sorry for disturbing this channel .. next time ill use this channel
[19:29] <paja> BarkingFish: Ok, maybe it is better, I may try it there :) thanks anyway!
[19:29] <BarkingFish> no problem, paja :)
[22:53] <almoxarife> i would rather konqueror open a new window as a tab, so that i have one instance of the browser with multiple tabs opening when, do'able?
[23:13] <Hunty6> Hi! I am trying to install Kubuntu in single boot on my Asus G51J (supports it) but unfortunately the live CD and the USB Stick I have made won't load properly. I already have Kubuntu 10.04 installed in dual boot with Windows 7 and I am trying to boot 11.10 from the live CD so I can completely remove both 10.04 and Windows 7 and only run under 11.10. The loading goes pretty well, there is no error in the files (according to the live CD) but when I
[23:13] <Hunty6> chose either to install or boot from live CD, all I get is a ''Broken screen'' where I only have big white & black squares along with lots of pixels. Any chance someone knows how to get it to work ? Thanks for the answer!
[23:36] <aequitas_> hi