[00:40] <pmatulis> hello
[01:58] <rhombsdoc> hi there
[01:59] <rhombsdoc> anyone alive? i got a problem with my lubuntu 12.04 on my acer one netbook
[01:59] <rhombsdoc> whenever i want to restart, it kind of shuts-down, turns off the screen
[01:59] <rhombsdoc> but it doesnt really "shutdown"
[02:00] <rhombsdoc> BUT, using shutdown -h works just fine
[02:00] <rhombsdoc> it only hangs when i use "reboot"
[02:00] <Unit193> Can you switch to a TTY and pull anything?
[02:00] <reflexrg> if its a bug
[02:00] <rhombsdoc> iam gonna check, 1 sec
[02:00] <reflexrg> just open a terminal and enter in "sudo shutdown -r now"
[02:01] <GridCube> lubuntu doesnt use lightdm?
[02:01] <rhombsdoc> sudo shutdown -r now << works fine
[02:01] <rhombsdoc> yes it does
[02:01] <Unit193> GridCube: 12.04 does.
[02:01] <GridCube> okay thanks
[02:04] <rhombsdoc> re
[02:04] <rhombsdoc> no, cant do nothing
[02:04] <rhombsdoc> backlight of the screen is turned off already
[02:04] <rhombsdoc> any ideas? is there any log of the shutdown sequence?
[02:05] <Unit193> /etc/init.d/reboot that one?
[02:05] <rhombsdoc> yes
[02:05] <rhombsdoc> i mean, it think so...in the terminal as root: reboot and enter
[02:06] <rhombsdoc> no
[02:06] <rhombsdoc> /sbin/reboot
[03:09] <Drok00> hello all, I have a question about the menu in lubuntu, would anybody be willing to help me?
[04:01] <rwhite5279> Quick question regarding my Lubuntu 12.04 persistent USB installation. Is there any way to disable auto-login? I've tried commenting out autologin lines in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf but I still get a lubuntu autologin. Changing the auto-login user to a different admin account still autologins, even though passwords have been set. Any help gratefully appreciated.
[04:16] <Mandalord1> to rwhite5279
[04:16] <rwhite5279> Hey Manda
[04:17] <Mandalord1> how about System tools
[04:17] <Mandalord1> User and group
[04:17] <rwhite5279> Yeah, that was the first thing I tried
[04:17] <Mandalord1> click change in your password
[04:17] <Mandalord1> uncheck Don't ask for password on login
[04:17] <rwhite5279> Passwords are set, and operating once I've booted
[04:18] <rwhite5279> Yeah, it's not checked.
[04:19] <Mandalord1> both your user and admin account have the same prob???
[04:19] <rwhite5279> Pretty sure that for the USB drives they want auto-login operating, and I just haven't been able to get it turned of.
[04:19] <rwhite5279> Yup
[04:20] <rwhite5279> Interesting thing is that standard Ubuntu distro is letting me require a password for login on the persistent USB drive I'm using for that. It works as it should. But Lubuntu, for whatever reason, isn't letting me require it.
[04:21] <Mandalord1> how about this /etc/lxdm/default.conf
[04:22] <Mandalord1> could you open it and paste several lines here
[04:23] <rwhite5279> It's on a different machine, but.. "autologin=lubuntu" has not been commented out. I'll try commenting that out and see what happens.
[04:24]  * rwhite5279 rebooting... :)
[04:25] <rwhite5279> Thanks for the help, Manda. You people all developers here?
[04:25] <Mandalord1> not really im just an user
[04:26] <rwhite5279> cool. Appreciate you checking in.
[04:26] <Mandalord1> is your prob solved??
[04:27] <rwhite5279> usb's take FOREVER to boot.
[04:27] <rwhite5279> Checking...
[04:27] <Mandalord1> oh god
[04:27] <rwhite5279> I know, right?
[04:27] <rwhite5279> Problem persists... it booted right up into Live mode
[04:28] <rwhite5279> But I'm going to dig around into that default.conf file... maybe there's something else there. Haven't been able to dig up anything on the wikis, etc. yet.
[04:31] <Mandalord1> well
[04:31] <Mandalord1> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/lxdm.1.html
[04:32] <Mandalord1> it just instruct that we uncomment to disable autologin
[04:34] <rwhite5279> Yeah. For the USB persistent drive, that line is already uncommented, because they want the user to be able to get in without any initial info. There was no change, though, when I commented that line. Rebooting still took me straight to the lubuntu user desktop.
[04:34] <mi3> hello
[04:36] <rwhite5279> Hi, mi3.
[04:36] <rwhite5279> Manda, I see that there's a default session option too in that file: "session=/usr/bin/startlubuntu" I'm going to comment that out and see what happens.
[04:42] <rwhite5279> Dammit, Manda. Still booted right in!
[04:43] <Mandalord1> i've just read file startlubuntu
[04:43] <rwhite5279> It even reset the commented out "session=/usr/bin/startlubuntu" after I commented it out.
[04:43] <Mandalord1> it contain some instruction for the OS to do when it start
[04:44] <Mandalord1> so i dont think its gonna work
[04:44] <Mandalord1> well your situation is strange
[04:45] <Mandalord1> because you use usb instead of full install
[04:45] <rwhite5279> Yeah... I'll dig around some more. I thought someone here might see that I was doing something stupid.
[04:45] <Mandalord1> i'll think about it and inform you asap
[04:45] <rwhite5279> Appreciate your time!
[04:56] <rwhite5279> Manda, there's some interesting descriptions of "removing the (casper) autologin" under 9.04 here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization   Kind of crazy.
[05:11] <Mandalord1> this is really crazy
[05:16] <Mandalord1> rwhite, i found that default.conf is just a shortcut
[05:17] <Mandalord1> the target file is /etc/xdg/lubuntu/lxdm/lxdm.conf
[05:18] <Mandalord1> ah nvm
[05:19] <rwhite5279> Yeah... that file gets reset by some other file at startup.
[05:21] <rwhite5279> Much as I'm digging Lubuntu, I think I may go back to the standard Ubuntu install. I liked that I had to authenticate, even to run the LiveUSB.
[05:23] <Mandalord1> well it might be easier if using full install
[05:31] <rwhite5279> I eventually stumbled onto this, which looks pretty exotic. Not that I'll be trying it out. http://www.backtrack-linux.org/forums/showthread.php?t=20959
[05:36] <Mandalord1> i see
[05:37] <Mandalord1> they use script
[05:40] <Mandalord1> you should have some pro checking that script if this is suitable for 12.04
[05:41] <Mandalord1> hope this script work
[05:41] <Mandalord1> :D
[05:42] <rwhite5279> :) Not even going to go there!
[09:08] <CellTech> Yes. Lubuntu is broken. that's why i'm constantly getting "system experianced an error"...
[09:35] <head_victim> I used to get that on vanilla Ubuntu as well. Found an issue with a program I'd installed manually. Anyone else with the issue I'd recommend "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a", it worked for me.
[10:08] <cloudy> Hi - I installed ubuntu and then did "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop". When logging off I see GNOME/Openbox, Openbox, Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D, but no Lubuntu. Am I missing something?
[10:29] <mi3> Hi, can someone suggest how can I setup a bluetooth dialup connection on lubuntu 12.04 ?
[10:33] <mi3> Hi, can someone suggest how can I setup a bluetooth dialup connection on lubuntu 12.04 ?
[10:33] <cloudy> mi3, I assume you want to connect via cellphone?
[10:33] <mi3> yes, sir
[10:34] <mi3> I have nokia c5, and I want to gain access to internet from bluetooth dialup :D
[10:34] <cloudy> mi3, is your cell phone already visible in your lubuntu installation?
[10:35] <mi3> yes
[10:36] <mi3> I am on windows actually, to seek help, since the internet is not working in lxde, pls give me some suggestions here, so I can apply this in the lubuntu installation :D
[10:37] <mi3> umm cloudy ?
[10:38] <cloudy> mi3, ...searching...
[10:38] <mi3> ok
[10:38] <cloudy> mi3, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothDialup
[10:39] <cloudy> Hi - I installed ubuntu and then did "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop". When logging off I see GNOME/Openbox, Openbox, Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D, but no Lubuntu. Am I missing something?
[10:42] <mi3> cloudy, I have used blueman, but when I connect to dialup, it always shows port already in use !
[10:44] <cloudy> mi3, have a look at the following link and search for "port already" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1317203
[10:45] <mi3> ok, I'll try that, and see if things work, thanks :D
[10:46] <cloudy> :) you're very welcome
[11:27] <cloudy> Hi - I installed ubuntu and then did "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop". When logging off I see GNOME/Openbox, Openbox, Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D, but no Lubuntu. Am I missing something?
[11:33] <lollo64it> cloudy: search for lxde in synaptics
[11:36] <cloudy> lollo64it, will try that. Thank you.
[11:58] <head_victim> Shouldn't make a difference, lxde is different to lubuntu-desktop
[12:04] <head_victim> cloudy: were you asked about lighdm or lxdm when you installed lubuntu-desktop?
[12:06] <head_victim> If you can't remember I'd suggest doing a reconfigure (sudo dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-desktop) and when it asks to select lightdm
[15:46] <neure> hello
[15:46] <neure> i want to configure how kdevelop looks
[15:46] <neure> anyone know which package i need to install to get the kde look and feel configuration app?
[15:52] <bioterror> I'm not getting
[15:53] <bioterror> you installed Lubuntu and you want it to look and behove like KDE?
[15:53] <bioterror> *have
[15:54] <neure> well
[15:54] <neure> i want to configure how kdevelop looks
[15:54] <neure> even if you use lubuntu, the way kdevelop looks is configured with kde systemsettings/Workspace Appearance
[15:54] <bioterror> KDE applications are mostly QT
[15:54] <neure> im looking which package to install to get Workspace Appearance to show up
[15:55] <bioterror> bodhizazen, what was the application to make QT apps use GTK?
[15:55] <neure> i installed systemsettings package and i was able to get to system settings, surprise.. but no Workspace Appearance
[15:55] <bioterror> http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/using-gtk-2-themes-with-qt-applications/
[15:56] <neure> qt(4)-config
[15:56] <neure> cool
[15:58] <bodhizazen> thanks bioterror
[15:58] <bodhizazen> bioterror, http://bodhizazen.net/img/Archery/
[15:59] <bodhizazen> click the little "i"icon in the top left
[15:59] <bioterror> niiiice
[15:59] <bodhizazen> i have to work on the css still
[15:59] <bioterror> you got yourself a new toy?
[15:59] <neure> ah
[15:59] <bodhizazen> bow is 6 months or so
[16:00] <bioterror> hahaha, pink for the girl :)
[16:00] <bodhizazen> =)
[16:00] <bioterror> attach couple of hello kitty stickers, and they will love it
[16:02] <neure> how do i change my wallpaper?)
[16:02] <bioterror> neure, right click desktop?
[16:02] <neure> yeah
[16:02] <neure> figured
[16:02] <bioterror> :D
[16:02] <bioterror> or with pcmanfm -command ;D
[16:03] <bioterror> was it: pcmanfm --set-wallpaper /path/to/wallpaper.png
[16:03] <neure> bioterror, i cant get rid of the image?
[16:03] <neure> i just want solid color
[16:04] <neure> that doesnt make sense
[16:04] <neure> i can select solid color, but it always shows the picture
[16:05] <neure> doh
[16:05] <neure> stupid user error
[16:05] <bodhizazen> you can set a background image with nitrogen =)
[16:06] <neure> well
[16:06] <neure> i managed to figure it out now :)
[16:18] <leszek> hi
[17:01] <nikin> hi. I consider switching to lubuntu from xubuntu, but the non-LTS release striked me quite a bit. Will there be a way to continue using 12.04 after the end of support only using ubuntus repos?
[18:15] <nikin> hi... i am trying to install lubuntu but i get an error: about plymouth-upstar being in a soft-lockup loop
[18:17] <leszek> oO nikin after installing or when booting the desktop live system ?


[06:25] <Unit193> bluesabre: Reminder: parole, catfish.
[11:17] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 19.10 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[17:03] <amerigena> join #xfce-dev
[20:35] <Unit193> Thanks to some hints in -devel, I now have a working Core ISO.
[21:50] <bluesabre> Way to go Unit193!
[21:55] <Unit193> Also, pulseaudio-plugin is in sync now.


[00:36] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I am assuming the binary is called agordejo
[00:36] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yes, it's agordejo.
[00:36] <Eickmeyer> I even just double-checked.
[00:37] <OvenWerks> It should just work then
[16:22] <OvenWerks> Hmmm, having trouble figuring out what I really want in a monitor mixer...
[16:22] <OvenWerks> looking at zita-mu1, jack-mixer and jack-mix-box
[16:25] <OvenWerks> mu1 is really "too much", jack-mixer doesn't totally make sense and adds a monitor channel if we want it or not :)
[16:27] <OvenWerks> jack-mix-box is CLI only and very basic... n channels sets in to one channel set out. (set may be set of one or two)
[16:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[kde]: not sure you saw all the above comments as I seem to have reconnected or something
[16:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I'm reading now.
[16:37] <OvenWerks> hmm, "connections" in qjackctl does not list ports in numerical order but alphabetical.
[16:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: That's one place where Ardour or MixBus would be better/simpler. That or two instances of jack-mixer.
[16:37] <OvenWerks> Carla list them in numerical order
[16:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> Controls lists them in alphabetical too, does it not?
[16:38] <OvenWerks> yes
[16:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> I think the issue Milkii was having was that the loopback devices were listed first, which makes sense given the alphabetical order. However, he's right: loopback devices shouldn't be first.
[16:38] <OvenWerks> portlist = jackclient.port(portspec)
[16:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> Of course, we didn't account for that early on.
[16:39] <OvenWerks> The reason loopbacks are first is because they end up being hw:0.*
[16:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ah, I see.
[16:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, they're first alphabetically and numerically.
[16:40] <OvenWerks> I think what I will do is to put hw:LOOPBACK in with append and everything else with prepend
[16:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's really the only solution.
[16:41] <OvenWerks> (actually its not prepend but insert(0)  :)
[16:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> BTW, had another bug report about 2.0.8 in Fedora early this morning. Apparently 2.0.9 got stuck in testing and I had to manually push it to stable, so that should fix their issue.
[16:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Did you see the PR this morning that does some fixing to Autojack?
[16:44] <OvenWerks> issue 11 seems to have been temporary but the poster has not commented any more... not really our problem anyway.
[16:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep, close as invalid in that case.
[16:45] <OvenWerks> yuck
[16:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> invalid/won't fix. Just sucks that there's nothing we can do in that case.
[16:46] <OvenWerks> Is their version of jack_control broken?
[16:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> I don't know. Looked like 20.04, and I haven't seen any others like it.
[16:47] <OvenWerks> I mean the PR
[16:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, that one.
[16:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'd ask. It does seem odd that they needed each command on a different line.
[16:48] <OvenWerks> And the reasoning that it fixes pulse-bridge problems?
[16:49] <OvenWerks> That should be totally unrelated
[16:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, apparently. 🤷♂
[16:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> I think it definitely warrants further discussion as to the logic behind the fix.
[16:53] <OvenWerks> It is connected with issue 14
[16:53] <OvenWerks> The logic in issue 14 is flawed as well
[16:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Same poster.
[16:54] <OvenWerks> he posts jackdbus output: Acquire audio card Audio0 and then because that fails aserts that start was not received
[16:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Looks like Arch is using a slightly newer version of python-jack-client.
[16:55] <OvenWerks> He thinks that jack.client tred to start it.
[16:55] <OvenWerks> I will check.
[17:02] <OvenWerks> he may be right. I have used the c++ calling convention where if call(string, bool x = false) is speced I can just go call("string", true) but I may have to do call("string", paramter_name=True) in python.
[17:04] <OvenWerks> All that to say, I thought I was calling jack.client with no_start_server=True
[17:05] <OvenWerks> but am probably not
[17:05] <OvenWerks> I think this is really a good time to switch jack_control calls to direct dbus calls
[17:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Might be. Seems as though he pointed out an underlying problem, if that's the case.
[17:09] <OvenWerks> I think it is more related to system speeds than anything... by todays standards my "new" i5 is probably slow :)
[17:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, I was just gifted a Kubuntu Focus M1, so I'm flying warp speed now. :)
[23:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I think I will add monitor: True to the dummy backend.


[04:38] <Jester86> hey guys.. i need some help if anyone is available
[04:38] <Jester86> my pc seems to not be recognizing my tuning devices properly


[03:43] <crass> cjwatson: I'm glad you're on the import from gerrit issue. It does seem odd to me that 'git clone' on the wireshark repo, doesn't add a ton of change tags or branches, so it seems the official git client handles the issue well.
[03:49] <crass> Regardless, the import appears to be partially successful in that master is imported. However, now I run into another issue, perhaps unrelated https://launchpadlibrarian.net/303409845/buildlog.txt.gz. It looks like its failing in getting the packaging branch (which I can checkout fine).  Any ideas on what might be going wrong here?
[11:45] <flexiondotorg> wgrant Morning.
[11:45] <flexiondotorg> I've update my question here - https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/441139
[11:46] <flexiondotorg> The main motive for wanting the mate-desktop account to take ownership is because we want to start making and publishing snaps via LP.
[11:47] <flexiondotorg> And the snap store needs a single publisher to do that, although we can then "share" publishing rights to our team members.
[16:32] <sergio-br2> so importing a git repo to a launchpad git repo is mirroring actually right?
[16:39] <rbasak> Using https://blog.launchpad.net/code/git-to-git-imports? Yes: "So, Launchpad now supports Git-to-Git code imports, also known as Git mirroring."
[16:40] <sergio-br2> nice, so this is mirroring github right? https://code.launchpad.net/~libretro/libretro/+git/mame2016-libretro
[16:40] <rbasak> Looks like it to me, yes.
[19:57] <acheronuk> arm builders having issues? they are all just "cleaning" indefinitely it seems
[22:03] <axino> acheronuk: hi, there was some DC work on them earlier, but they should be back now, sorry for the inconvenience


[15:28] <Elijah__> wow
[15:28] <Elijah__> we have a FireBlade
[15:28] <Elijah__> :p
[15:41] <youssefchaker> Armageddon: ma 3abbarak :P
[16:10] <Guest68643> hmm
[16:10] <Guest68643> alienpulse, got you the dvds
[16:10] <Guest68643> youssefchaker, mish natro
[16:10] <alienpulse> all righty then :)
[16:10] <alienpulse> 10x
[16:10] <Guest68643> yw
[16:11] <Guest68643> alienpulse, 2 LTS server and user
[16:11] <youssefchaker> keep your porn dealing business off this chat room your pervs!
[16:11] <alienpulse> Armageddon, we must see u soon !
[16:11] <alienpulse> hehehhe ,,
[16:11] <Armageddon> sure
[17:47] <FireBlade> Armageddon: yeah, just like Sadus was part of the LLUG/LEGLUG old Linux generation :)
[17:48] <FireBlade> glad there's another channel that's still keeping things alive in leb
[17:53] <Armageddon> :/
[17:53] <Armageddon> ok
[17:53] <Armageddon> that's all I have to say :p


[01:22] <mthx> tonyyarusso: NORLUG is doing on a release party/installfest on the 23rd. norlug.org/meetings/ Haven't set a location yet though.


[01:53] <Technophil> Seems I can use a .m3u file to open a http:// stream but not a udp:// stream
[01:54] <Technophil> Sorry wrong irc
[04:30] <shesek> Hey, I'm using the iMON PAD remote controller, Rewind (and some other keys) seems to be identified by irw, but they don't do anything to mythtv. what could it be ?
[04:53] <new2linx> how do I get mythmusic 2 look at music from 2 different folders?
[05:00] <shesek> create one folder with links to both ?
[05:05] <new2linx> how can I have mythmusic add music from another hard drive that has tons of music. i ony see the add file to music library not an entire folder like itunes has.
[05:09] <new2linx> shesek, how can i easily create symlinks for over 10,000 songs?
[05:15] <shesek> sure. just link the folder that contains them all
[06:06] <deaman> new2linx: some dialogs in Myth can take : as a separator, I am not sure about mythmusic, but give that a try first.
[08:44] <new2linx>  whats the fastest way to get 5,000 songs from another folder into mythmusic? I can't believe i'd have to do it a file at a time? I searched the top level folder but I notice if I select import all, it'll have the same track number, same genre and whatnot for all songs OR am I misunderstanding the import file section within mythmusic?
[09:30] <MythbuntuGuest81> Hiya all....
[09:30] <MythbuntuGuest81> Still strugling with my sound..
[09:31] <MythbuntuGuest81> I have xine playing MP3's without problem.... But mythfrontend refuses to produce any sound.... Therefore, it must be a config problem in mythfrontend, but I cannot find it..
[09:32] <MythbuntuGuest81> Configuration of xine and mythfrontend is slightly different (in naming, field to fill etc) any idea how I can get from xine which setting I need for mythfrontend?
 Still strugling with my sound..
[13:57] <MythbuntuGuest81> I have xine playing MP3's without problem.... But mythfrontend refuses to produce any sound.... Therefore, it must be a config problem in mythfrontend, but I cannot find it..
[15:48] <MythbuntuGuest81> I'm really loosing it now. aplay just plays music, but still within mythfrontend, no music... any ideas?
[16:01] <MythbuntuGuest81> pffff... finally got it... alsa:spdif was pointing to the wrong device. completely overlooked it in the last 6 days...
[17:44] <vault> I recently built a myth frontend/backend system.  My backend is using up all of the ram in it's cache but I would like to keep some free for my graphics card. How can I put a cap on how much memory the backend is allowed to use? thanks.


[02:06] <jimerickson> after latest update on 12.04 i am getting lots of kernel panics on my pandaboard ES.
[02:14] <infinity> jimerickson: -> #ubuntu-kernel
[02:14] <infinity> jimerickson: Or, better yet, file a bug.
[02:15] <jimerickson> infinity: thanks will do
[02:16] <infinity> jimerickson: Actually, wait.  The kernel hasn't been updated for omap4 since release.
[02:16] <infinity> jimerickson: Are you using a non-Ubuntu kernel?  (maybe from the tiomap-dev PPA?)
[02:16] <jimerickson> no
[02:17] <infinity> 3.2.0-1412-omap4 #16-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue Apr 17 19:38:42 UTC 2012
[02:17] <infinity> ^-- That kernel, then?
[02:17] <jimerickson> one minute i will check
[02:18] <infinity> It certainly hasn't panicked for me yet, and I do pretty nasty things to my Panda and PandaES so, yeah, please file a bug if it's that kernel.
[02:18] <TypoNAM> same here, no kernel panics with Ubuntu 12.04 on my pandaboard ES
[02:18] <jimerickson> yes it is that kernel. i am on my way to file a bug.
[02:19] <infinity> jimerickson: Kay, thanks.  Source package is "linux-ti-omap4"
[02:19] <jimerickson> ok no problem
[02:19] <infinity> (And when you say "panic", you do mean panic, right, not oopses?)
[02:20] <infinity> Not that you shouldn't also file oopses.
[02:20] <jimerickson> no its a panic
[02:21] <infinity> Alrighty.  File away.  Logs and/or pictures (if it's dying before it can sync syslog to disk) please. ;)
[02:22] <infinity> And man, I haven't looked at dmesg on an ES before (just got mine)... This omap_thermal stuff is nooooooisy.
[02:22] <jimerickson> infinity it will have to be a picture. its dying before anything gets synced to syslog
[02:22] <infinity> Think I might see about shutting that up in an SRU.
[13:17] <ericbutters> hi. what is default user/passw for ubuntu-core-11.10-core-armel??
[13:17] <ogra_> there is no user
[13:18] <ogra_> ubuntu-core is to build your own images on top of it mostly
[13:18] <ogra_> or to use it as a chroot
[13:18] <ogra_> if you want to use it as a rootfs you need to configure it (add a user, make networking work, set timezone, language etc)
[13:19] <ericbutters> i started a getty on ttySAC2 and got: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kfv1t4bn
[13:19] <ogra_> yes
[13:19] <ogra_> it obvously doesnt even have a hostname :)
[13:20] <ericbutters> orga_ how to setup if i can not login?
[13:20] <ogra_> you have to set it up before or install oem-config in the image and enable it
[13:21] <ogra_> it isnt designed to be used as a rootfs as is
[13:21] <ndec_> ericbutters: http://omapedia.org/wiki/OMAP_Ubuntu_Core
[13:21] <ericbutters> i downloaded ubuntu-core-11.10-core-armel.tar.gz extracted to folder that is exported via NFS and mounted that from my device
[13:22] <ndec_> if you hack /etc/passwd, you can setup a no passwd 'root' account...
[13:22] <ogra_> so configure the root on the NFS server
[13:22] <ogra_> right
[13:26] <ericbutters> ndec_ i see in etc/passwd root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[13:27] <ericbutters> could you pls say what should i modify?
[13:27] <ogra_> ericbutters, read the url ndec_ gave you
[13:27] <ogra_> it tells exactly what to modify :)
[13:28] <ndec_> that's the purpose of making wikis, indeed !
[13:28] <ericbutters> yes, i did. i removed '*' from shadow..
[13:28] <ndec_> argh... sorry..
[13:28] <ndec_> i meants /etc/shadow... it's just my finger that typed /etc/passwd...
[13:30] <ericbutters> no problem :) .. but this has no effect
[13:45] <ericbutters> i started with runlevel 1 .. that worked ;)
[13:48] <ericbutters> maybe someone knows what could cause that: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kAuJ4RD0
[13:48] <ericbutters> i used a armv7 toolchain..
[13:53] <ogra_> well, what kind of board is that ?
[13:54] <ericbutters> it is S5PC100 (samsung) cortex-a8
[13:55] <ericbutters> but i will try an other toolchain right now..
[13:55] <ericbutters> for my linux kernel..
[14:02] <GrueMaster> ndec_: Morning.  Did you get your blaze back ok?
[14:04] <GrueMaster> Gotta run (new job).  Ping me if you got it.
[14:35] <jimerickson> infinity: i filed bug #994368 last night about the kernel panics on pandaboard ES.
[14:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 994368 in linux-ti-omap4 "linux-ti-omap4 kernel panics on pandaboard ES" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994368


[00:22] <arosales> any ~charmers around?
[00:22] <arosales> I think most folks have started their weekend
[00:22] <marcoceppi> o/
[00:23] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: it's failing lint
[00:24] <marcoceppi> DEBUG:runner:call ['/usr/bin/make', '-s', 'lint'] (cwd: /tmp/bundletester-FGMSmT/ntp)
[00:24] <marcoceppi> DEBUG:runner:hooks/ntp_hooks.py:77:80: E501 line too long (97 > 79 characters)
[00:24] <marcoceppi> DEBUG:runner:hooks/ntp_hooks.py:118:80: E501 line too long (90 > 79 characters)
[00:24] <marcoceppi> DEBUG:runner:make: *** [lint] Error 1
[00:24] <marcoceppi> DEBUG:runner:Exit Code: 2
[00:24] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: thanks - those run *after* the amulet tests?
[00:25] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: first
[00:25] <marcoceppi> http://reports.vapour.ws/charm-test-details/charm-bundle-test-parent-3531
[00:25] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: that's a better breakdown of that output
[00:26] <blahdeblah> Right - that is much better; I'll get an update to that MP done over the weekend.
[00:28] <arosales> marcoceppi, wow still around :-)
[00:29] <arosales> marcoceppi: seems I can't find the MP for http://review.juju.solutions/review/2342
[00:29] <marcoceppi> arosales: it was deleted
[00:29] <marcoceppi> arosales: I'll remove from queue
[00:30] <arosales> blahdeblah: but looks like the ntp tests pased DEBUG:runner:The ntp deploy test completed successfully.
[00:30] <arosales> marcoceppi: thanks
[00:30]  * arosales will move onto the next one
[00:30] <marcoceppi> arosales: removed ;)
[00:31] <blahdeblah> arosales: Yeah - those tests aren't terribly sophisiticated
[00:31] <arosales> well at leasts there is tests
[00:31] <arosales> :-)
[00:32] <marcoceppi> good news is, the tests pass, bad news is pep8 hates you ;)
[00:38] <blahdeblah> There's a way to tell those tests to override on a given line, isn't there?
[00:38]  * blahdeblah asks Google
[00:41] <arosales> marcoceppi does charm proof check for pep8?
[00:41] <marcoceppi> arosales: it checks the charm if there's a "lint" target
[00:41] <marcoceppi> the charm author has a make lint target so we run it as part of bundle tester
[00:41] <marcoceppi> so it's basically, bundletester will do the following:
[00:42] <marcoceppi> - charm proof
[00:42] <marcoceppi> - make lint (if available)
[00:42] <marcoceppi> - make test (if available - unit tests)
[00:42] <marcoceppi> - run the charm integration tests
[00:43] <arosales> marcoceppi: ok, thanks
[00:55] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: Have you given any thought to making charm proof wrt. layers?
[00:56] <cory_fu> Charm layers tend to fair ok, but not so much base or interface layers
[00:56] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: I really want to make charm create for layers and charm add
[00:56] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: like charm create layer, charm add layer:nginx. I keep messing up the damn includes syntax like a dope
[00:57] <cory_fu> Agreed
[00:57] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: it's not a bad idea, it's not on the road map for this iteration but could make it on there before EOY
[00:58]  * marcoceppi packs up computer for the weekend
[00:58] <cory_fu> T'was just an errant thought
[01:01] <arosales> marcoceppi: For monday, note charm CI is marking charm CI as green even though LXC fails, (aws pass) [ref = http://review.juju.solutions/review/2350]
[01:02] <marcoceppi> arosales: the logic for that might not be nessisarily bad
[01:03] <marcoceppi> do we want to weight failures higher than passes?
[01:03] <marcoceppi> esp. given the flakiness of some of the substrates
[01:03] <marcoceppi> lxc failed because of a provider problem (I restarted the tests)
[01:03] <arosales> one school of thought was that it had to pass on local and public cloud
[01:04] <marcoceppi> arosales: yes, but a failure doesn't always mean it's a charm problem
[01:04] <arosales> in this case the failure is due to timeout, most likey due to infrastructure
[01:04] <arosales> agreed
[01:04] <arosales> but charm CI doesn't tell us why it failed
[01:04] <arosales> just that it failed
[01:04] <marcoceppi> it does tell us
[01:04] <arosales> well doesn't surface up infrastructure or charm fail
[01:04] <marcoceppi> DEBUG:runner:Deployment timed out (900s)
[01:05] <arosales> sorry, I didn't state the correctly
[01:05] <marcoceppi> arosales: the output we link people to is kind of crap
[01:05] <marcoceppi> it's hard to find that
[01:05] <marcoceppi> arosales: I agree we should work to distinguish infrastructure failure vs testing failure
[01:05] <marcoceppi> but we don't have that atm
[01:05] <arosales> but to your point, is it a charm failure or a infrastructure failure
[01:05] <arosales> but regardless
[01:05] <marcoceppi> agent-state-info: lxc container cloning failed
[01:05] <marcoceppi> it was infrastructure
[01:05] <arosales> the question is when do we mark a Charm CI test as a green box, ie passing
[01:05] <marcoceppi> LXC was broken for about 20 test runs because of some weird lingering issue
[01:06]  * arosales saw that in a couple of test runs
[01:06] <marcoceppi> arosales: right, and the icon says "some tests have passed" it's never a definitive. It hink we favor passing over failing given how often we have substrate issues
[01:06] <arosales> re my questions when to mark a charm CI as passing I thought it had to pass on local and a cloud
[01:06] <marcoceppi> arosales: we can reverse that logic, without problem, but it needs some discussion
[01:06] <arosales> but it seems currently it marks it as passing if it passes on just 1 cloud
[01:07] <marcoceppi> arosales: at the moment yes, I can see how the logic is confusing there
[01:07] <arosales> I think passing on 1 cloud is fair for green
[01:07] <arosales> but just wanted to confirm my understanding
[01:07] <marcoceppi> as soon as it gets one test result back we say the status, where passing > failing
[01:07] <arosales> oh
[01:07] <marcoceppi> so, it'll say "some tests are passing" for any result that comes back that's testing
[01:07] <arosales> so if it failed on 2 cloud, but passed on 1 it would be red?
[01:07] <marcoceppi> not sure
[01:08] <marcoceppi> I'm doing a terrible job of explaining this
[01:08] <arosales> sorry, I was taking you litterally on passing > failing
[01:08] <arosales> I think I follow you though
[01:08] <marcoceppi> I'm saying pass is weighted greater than failure if there's a mix result
[01:08] <marcoceppi> because of infra flakiness
[01:08] <marcoceppi> but we can easily reverse that logic where fail is if any one test has failed
[01:08] <marcoceppi> I've got to catch a plane so I need to EOD and pack, but we can chat more on Monday
[01:09] <marcoceppi> the new review queue will be a bit better at explaining this
[01:09] <marcoceppi> by just showing the numerical result
[01:09] <marcoceppi> X pass / Y fail
[01:09] <marcoceppi> explicit :)
[01:13] <arosales> I like the weight on passing
[01:14] <arosales> later marcoceppi, travel safely
[01:20] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: Pushed fix to that MP; does it retry testing automatically?
[06:32] <aisrael> Anyone had problems with juju under wily not starting?
[21:16] <aatchison> i


[01:46] <fschoep> troy_s: I'm here for a few more minutes
[01:47] <kwwii> hehe
[01:48] <kwwii> dude, what have you guys got working as far as a usplash goes?
[01:54] <fschoep> kwwii: not a lot, really
[01:54] <kwwii> fschoep: then we should stay in touch
[01:54] <kwwii> now is when we can use cross-desktop understanding
[01:54] <fschoep> So, I need something for tomorrow :)
[01:55] <kwwii> I have some pics ready for both
[01:55] <fschoep> Doesn't matter what it looks like
[01:55] <kwwii> one with 256 and one with 16 colors
[01:55] <fschoep> It can be blue / purple
[01:55] <kwwii> I am unsure exactly how to animate the progress bar
[01:55] <fschoep> That's something Seveas can explain probably
[01:56] <kwwii> and the throbber is a funky thing, if the progress bar is already moving, in my opinion
[01:56] <fschoep> It's still unclear whether or not Edgy will have a proper progress bar or a throbber only
[01:57] <kwwii> hehe
[01:57] <Seveas> kwwii, if you have a simple background+foreground image for progress bar, you can use the code from the example theme
[01:57] <kwwii> until now, it says that we have to use a normal progress bar
[01:57] <Seveas> edgy still does normal progress bar now
[01:57] <kwwii> Seveas: yeah, I checked that out now
[01:58] <kwwii> Seveas: I started with wanting to draw boxes to make the progress bar (6-8 boxes)
[01:58] <Seveas> kwwii, alternatively, send me the images with a description of what you had in mind and I'll create the code
[01:58] <kwwii> Seveas: cool, sounds good.
[01:58] <kwwii> I started to look at the README and code tonight
[01:58] <kwwii> and then the meeting started
[01:58] <Seveas> heh
[01:59] <kwwii> I will look more closely into it tomorrow
[01:59] <Seveas> it's not too difficult, but assumes a certain amount of C knowledg
[01:59] <kwwii> I have a *lot* of experience with the older linux bootsplash
[01:59] <kwwii> so I think I can figure it out
[01:59] <fschoep> I'll get into it as well tomorrow, shouldn't be too hard
[01:59] <kwwii> :-)
[01:59] <kwwii> I made the syntax of the bootsplash config files, actually
[02:00] <Seveas> I'll be online here or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for questions
[02:00] <kwwii> Seveas: what would be better: using a bitmap for the progress bar or drawing several boxes?
[02:01] <Seveas> bitmap is easier
[02:01] <Seveas> and looks nicer imho
[02:01] <kwwii> Seveas: hehe, than that makes my job easier
[02:01] <BHSPitLappy> talking about usplash?
[02:01] <kwwii> Seveas: I will ping you tomorrow about this stuff
[02:01] <Seveas> kwwii, ok, but not too early
[02:01] <Seveas> had 4h sleep last night
[02:01] <Seveas> and it's 2am
[02:02] <kwwii> Seveas: don't worry, I am up all day
[02:02] <kwwii> we are in the same time zone
[02:02] <kwwii> and I have a son
[02:02] <kwwii> here is my first 256 color image: http://bootsplash.org/usplash_idea1256.png
[02:03] <BHSPitLappy> can someone comment on the last entry at wiki.ubuntu.org/UbuntuSounds , it feels lonely :)
[02:04] <lapo> hey guys this work really is impressive http://huw.ugbox.net/UbuntuEvolve/
[02:04] <lapo> no way to have it in edgy
[02:04] <lapo> ?
[02:05] <fschoep> Maybe, I can't promise anything
[02:05] <lapo> I think it is the most original to date
[02:06] <BHSPitLappy> I think it looks cool, but... something about it just seems "too" messy to me
[02:06] <BHSPitLappy> and "messy" + ubuntu's color scheme = gross
[02:06] <BHSPitLappy> also... wasn't today supposed to be the deadline for art decisions
[02:07] <fschoep> Feature Freeze, indeed
[02:08] <yoshiznit123> i like it, except for the gradient background and color, which seems out of place
[02:08] <yoshiznit123> and it would be cool if the ubuntu logo had the same style (with growing plants and stuff :-))
[02:12] <Seveas> kwwii, shiny!
[02:13] <kwwii> ;-)
[02:13] <kwwii> too much soo, but you get the idea
[02:13] <kwwii> I was working on making the progress bar in singular boxes
[02:13] <Seveas> nice first attempt
[02:13] <kwwii> :-)
[02:14] <kwwii> the logo is kinda final
[02:14] <kwwii> I will remove the glow
[02:15] <lapo> kwwii: nice one, I'd try to make the gape between the circle and the top right gear more evident
[02:15] <kwwii> lapo: yeah, good point
[02:15] <kwwii> I thought that the spacing between all the gears and the circle is a bit too tight
[02:15] <BHSPitLappy> kwwii, does that progress bar look like the default progress bar widget that ships with kubuntu?
[02:16] <kwwii> hehe, nope
[02:16] <kwwii> I guess not
[02:16] <kwwii> I spent sooo much time trying to make everything the same
[02:16] <kwwii> and then someone comes along and says that that is not important
[02:16] <lapo> kwwii: I think the space is ok, I'd use something like a brighter o darker stroke/bevel like on the othe to
[02:17] <kwwii> lapo: sure, it needs lots of work, it is the result of half an hour
[02:17] <lapo> cool tho
[04:25] <troy_s> ping
[04:39] <BHSPitLappy> pong!
[04:58] <desrt> troy_s; your gdm splash screen is gorgeous
[04:59] <desrt> troy_s; just wanted to send some positive feedback your way.  it looks great :)
[04:59] <BHSPitLappy> link?
[04:59] <desrt> apt-get install edgy-gdm-themes
[05:00] <BHSPitLappy> ah.
[05:00] <BHSPitLappy> I'm gonna install knot 2 after this thing's finished copying, I've already got it burned
[05:01] <troy_s> eek
[05:01] <troy_s> desrt... thanks for that.  there is going to be massive chitter about the whole thing.  it is a tricky rope to walk in ubuntuland.
[05:02] <desrt> troy_s; ignore the haters.  it's beautiful :)
[05:02] <desrt> BHSPitLappy; http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/random/edgy-ubuntu-theme.png
[05:03] <desrt> erm
[05:03] <desrt> http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/random/edgy-gdm-theme.png rather
[05:03] <troy_s> No haters.  It is quite a bit of effort to get the artwork 'working' in Ubuntu because we ultimately have sabdfl as a 'client'.
[05:03] <BHSPitLappy> 404'd!
[05:04] <BHSPitLappy> very pretty
[05:04] <troy_s> And _he_ calls the shots -- extremely busy fellow that he is with the snowball of ubuntu.
[05:04] <BHSPitLappy> desrt, how'd you guess my exact screen resolution ;)
[05:04] <desrt> BHSPitLappy; *shrug* :p
[05:04] <BHSPitLappy> hax!
[05:05] <BHSPitLappy> I wish someone would comment on my submission to wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds ...
[05:05] <desrt> troy_s; sabdfl is a crazy :)
[05:05] <desrt> troy_s; with a fetish for liquid latex
[05:06] <BHSPitLappy> you mean LaTeX
[05:06] <troy_s> No, he is quite a bright fellow actually.
[05:06] <desrt> i mean liquid latex in a bottle :p
[05:07] <troy_s> do you have a widescreen monitor desrt?
[05:07] <desrt> troy_s; 1280x800 on my macbook
[05:07] <BHSPitLappy> same on my dell i6000
[05:08] <desrt> my macbook is famous.
[05:08] <troy_s> So it at least scaled properly.  The logo still needs a tweak -- the output cropped the alias off the bottom of the lettering.
[05:08] <BHSPitLappy> suuure
[05:09] <troy_s> There could very well be a migration back to monochromatic however.
[05:09] <BHSPitLappy> I could only tell by looking reeeeeal close, after you said it.
[05:10] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy, that's good.
[05:10] <troy_s> laf.
[05:10] <BHSPitLappy> laf.?
[05:10] <troy_s> Well it means that it isn't _too_ obvious ... but Frank has been working furiously to hit the deadline
[05:10] <troy_s> and seveas has been running on zero sleep to make sure usplash gets improved for edgy.
[05:11] <troy_s> all in all, there has been a _lot_ of hard work by a lot of folks on much stuff that isn't entirely 100% up front visible.
[05:11] <BHSPitLappy> and it's surely worth it, the new usplash stuff is awesome
[05:11] <desrt> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sigurdga/185576131/in/pool-guadec2006/
[05:11] <desrt> fame!
[05:12] <BHSPitLappy> desrt, paint?
[05:12] <troy_s> How cool is that?
[05:12] <desrt> windowclingers
[05:12] <troy_s> laf.
[05:12] <troy_s> I was going to say, its those window gels
[05:12] <BHSPitLappy> lol
[05:12] <BHSPitLappy> laf.???
[05:13] <troy_s> its funny.
[05:13] <troy_s> hence the laf.
[05:13] <desrt> "laf." is the new LOL
[05:13] <BHSPitLappy> oh. missed the memo.
[05:13] <desrt> anyway.  gotta jet.  ciao :)
[05:15] <BHSPitLappy> adios...
[05:58] <BHSPitLappy> dead channel?
[06:03] <pintor> hi
[06:03] <BHSPitLappy> hi
[07:30] <PseudoPlacebo> goodnight guys
[07:34] <BHSPitLappy> night
[10:33] <bersace> troy_s: hey brother !
[10:33] <bersace> congrats for the artwork !
[11:24] <HiddenWolf> Hey guys.
[11:25] <HiddenWolf> I was wondering, has anyone made an ubuntu-themed screensaver?
[11:25] <HiddenWolf> Say a variation on the bouncing gnome-foot idea or something?
[12:03] <klepas> has anyone here worked with ksplash theming much before?
[03:03] <kwwii> so...guess it is time to start in on the usplash
[03:03] <kwwii> :-)
[03:04] <HiddenWolf> The rest of the stack looks really sweet already.
[03:12] <fschoep> kwwii: just read your e-mail so ping :)
[03:13] <kwwii> :-)
[03:13] <kwwii> hey man
[03:13] <fschoep> hi
[03:13] <kwwii> so I guess you have seen the example theme
[03:14] <fschoep> No, didn't get to that yet - sounds stupid I know ;)
[03:14] <kwwii> hehe, I built it but it does not work on my eMac
[03:15] <kwwii> and I don't want to mess up the system on my laptop
[03:15] <fschoep> I can understand that
[03:15] <fschoep> I just need *something* to get into Edgy right now
[03:15] <kwwii> but checking out the pics in the source makes things clear
[03:15] <fschoep> as you probably gathered yesterday
[03:16] <kwwii> well, at the least, we could change the bg in the test theme, and the throbber pics
[03:16] <kwwii> that would get something in now
[03:16] <fschoep> OK
[03:16] <fschoep> It's in usplash-dev?
[03:16] <kwwii> yepp
[03:16] <fschoep> And it needs to go into usplash-art?
[03:16] <kwwii> good question, not sure
[03:16] <fschoep> Wait I think someone said it in yesterday's meeting - Spotlight here we come
[03:18] <fschoep> Keybuk: remember that the usplash artwork should go in the themes packages
[03:18] <fschoep> [01:32am]  Keybuk: not in the usplash package
[03:18] <kwwii> ;-)
[03:20] <fschoep> Maybe I should just go and check out the example and report back once I know more
[03:20] <kwwii> hehe, might be good
[03:20] <kwwii> but removing the progress bar is not an option if I understood correctly?
[03:20] <fschoep> The design can change a bit later on I presume, at least - I hope
[03:21] <fschoep> Where did you read that?
[03:21] <kwwii> I thought it was in a mail
[03:21] <kwwii> one second
[03:21] <HiddenWolf> at the very least it's not a good idea
[03:21] <HiddenWolf> people get nervous when they don't see progress indication during boot
[03:21] <HiddenWolf> I sure as hell do.
[03:21] <fschoep> OK sure, but replacing the progress bar with an animating throbber would work, no?
[03:21] <fschoep> Like WIndows and Mac OS X do?
[03:21] <cbx33> fschoep: hi
[03:22] <fschoep> Real progress indication is going away for Edgy (or +1) anyway
[03:22] <fschoep> cbx33: good to to you, sir
[03:22] <HiddenWolf> probably, yes. :)
[03:22] <cbx33> ow are you fschoep
[03:22] <fschoep> cbx33: fine, thanks, you?
[03:22] <kwwii> fschoep: I think I misunderstood that part
[03:22] <cbx33> yeh
[03:23] <fschoep> cbx33: noticed your sounds are in since yesterday?
[03:23] <fschoep> cbx33: I've been told people quite like them
[03:23] <cbx33> yeh me too
[03:23] <cbx33> :D:D
[03:23] <fschoep> ;)
[03:23] <fschoep> kwwii: do you know if boot messages are still shown?
[03:24] <kwwii> fschoep: I think so
[03:24] <fschoep> So there still needs to be an area for that?
[03:25] <fschoep> I really thought Keybuk was on the ball to remove those but I couldn't really make anything out of his update yesterdat evening so I very well might be wrong
[03:25] <fschoep> yesterday*
[03:26] <kwwii> it appears to be shown in the example theme
[03:27] <fschoep> I see
[03:27] <fschoep> Maybe it *is* a better idea for me to check the code first :)
[03:28] <fschoep> Do we meet later today kwwii ?
[03:28] <kwwii> fschoep: yes, please, if you have time
[03:28] <fschoep> OK, what time are you on?
[03:29] <fschoep> I think I can squeeze into IRC from 18.00'ish to 20.30'ish
[03:29] <kwwii> cool, sounds good
[03:30] <fschoep> OK, my main priority today is get *something* in, after that we can work on designing something together
[03:31] <kwwii> excellent, me too
[03:31] <fschoep> OK, nice - see you this evening hopefully! Possibly even earlier than that,
[03:31] <kwwii> see you later :-)
[03:31] <fschoep> OK, thanks!
[05:28] <Seveas> kwwii, the example theme just showcases possibilities. But upstart doesn't have to use all that usplash has to offer. If you want to play safe, implement it all and scott can choose what he needs.
[05:30] <Seveas> troy_s, looking at gnome-session code, I really don't think a cairo based approach is the right thing to do for a shaped window. I'll look at the gnome splash screen code and try to do a similar thing for the logout window (and maybe even for the gksu window), but that's for edgy+1
[05:31] <kwwii> Seveas: the problem with that idea is that it seriously limits the art side of things
[05:31] <Seveas> kwwii, why?
[05:31] <kwwii> Seveas: making a picture that looks good even though you cut out certain pieces just doesn't work very often
[05:31] <Seveas> ah, right
[05:32] <kwwii> well, it is possible to get the greatest common denominator effect...but that is not ideal
[05:33] <Seveas> then the art team has to summon sabdfl and kamion and make them decide what they want
[05:33] <Seveas> s/kamion/keybuk/
[05:33] <kwwii> at first, we are going to put something in based on the example theme, then when we slowly move forward with specific ideas and changes
[05:33] <kwwii> Seveas: yeah, that is kinda what I was thinking last night at the meeting
[05:33] <Seveas> I liked imbrandons approach
[05:34] <Seveas> btw: for edgy+1 I have a few more usplash ideas (more drawing primitives, better text support) and I'll implement it early in the cycle
[05:44] <kwwii> Seveas: cool, sounds good
[07:15] <fschoep> Seveas: do you have a minute?
[07:15] <fschoep> kwwii: I'm here
[07:16] <Seveas> fschoep, yes
[07:17] <fschoep> Great, it's about usplash ;)
[07:19] <kwwii> fschoep:
[07:19] <kwwii> fschoep: me too
[07:19] <fschoep> OK, nice
[07:19] <fschoep> Seveas: I need to get *something* packaged before tonight
[07:19] <fschoep> Seveas: can you help me out?
[07:20] <Seveas> sure
[07:20] <fschoep> Seveas: can you also get it into Edgy?
[07:20] <fschoep> Just asking as much as I want ;)
[07:20] <Seveas> I can package it for you if that's what you mean
[07:20] <fschoep> Yes
[07:21] <fschoep> Seveas: I just need a random usplash image for now
[07:21] <Seveas> fschoep, easiest thing is to take the example theme from usplash-dev
[07:21] <fschoep> Seveas: I have an extremely boring one at hand
[07:22] <kwwii> fschoep: are we agreed that both ubuntu and kubuntu will have the same basic theme, only with different pics?
[07:22] <fschoep> kwwii: I think so, as long as "ours" fits into the rest of "our" theme ;)
[07:22] <kwwii> fschoep: exactly :-)
[07:22] <Seveas> fschoep<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would welcome it
[07:22] <fschoep> Seveas: OK, thanks - I'll send it in a minute
[07:22] <Seveas> is it .xcf/.svg?
[07:22] <kwwii> Seveas: could we put both the kubuntu and ubuntu stuff in one theme?
[07:22] <fschoep> Seveas: XCF
[07:22] <Seveas> kwwii, no
[07:23] <fschoep> Seveas: both kwwii and I need to get at least *some* picture into Edgy today to please the FF people
[07:23] <kwwii> Seveas: do you think he'd package mine too then? :-)
[07:23] <fschoep> Seveas: if you can help me and kwwii out, you'll get two beers next time we meet ;)
[07:23] <Seveas> kwwii, you know the address
[07:23] <Seveas> fschoep, where in NL do you live?
[07:23] <fschoep> Seveas: Zeeland
[07:24] <Seveas> fschoep, hmm, never been there
[07:24] <fschoep> Seveas: you do'
[07:24] <fschoep> -
[07:24] <fschoep> don't want to go there
[07:24] <kwwii> Seveas: which part of europe do you live in?
[07:24] <fschoep> it's flat, empty and about ten people per square mile
[07:24] <Seveas> kwwii, NL
[07:24] <Seveas> fschoep, I live in lelystad
[07:24] <kwwii> hehe, I am surrounded by dutchmen
[07:24] <Seveas> 60000 people surronded by nothingness
[07:25] <fschoep> Hehe ;)
[07:25] <fschoep> kwwii: sometimes I feel Ze Germanz are taking over Ubuntu with your posse :)
[07:25] <fschoep> j/k of course
[07:26] <fschoep> But on the topic of work, Seveas if I send you a picture (large resolution) can you get it into Edgy tonight?
[07:26] <Seveas> yes
[07:26] <fschoep> That would be so awesome
[07:26] <PingunZ> Hey all :)
[07:26] <Seveas> does it include a picture of a progress bar?
[07:26] <fschoep> Hey PingunZ how you doing?
[07:26] <PingunZ> Fine, just finished the Blubuntu GDM
[07:26] <fschoep> Seveas: Not sure, I don't think so - can you use your example one?
[07:26] <Seveas> of course
[07:26] <fschoep> PingunZ: I saw it, looking good
[07:26] <Seveas> but it won't fit the kubuntu theme
[07:26] <PingunZ> Thanks fschoep :)
[07:27] <Seveas> damnit
[07:27] <Seveas> I forgot again
[07:27] <fschoep> Seveas: kwwii: we'll work on getting them in line later on, right now we need to please the FF people ;)
[07:27] <Seveas> what is the lowest common widescreen resolution?
[07:27] <PingunZ> Seveas: Could you repeat the commands to use your custom usplash theme ? -> I had an X crash while trying it ;)
[07:27] <fschoep> 1280x800?
[07:28] <kwwii> probably
 @calc 1280/16*9
 720
[07:28] <Seveas> 1280x720
[07:28] <kwwii> well, you also have 16:10 on lots of machines
[07:28] <fschoep> I honestly don't know anyone with that screen resolution?
[07:28] <fschoep> 16:10 is more common I think (props kwwii)
[07:28] <kwwii> hehe, the computer I am working on has it
[07:28] <Seveas> ok, 16:10
[07:29] <fschoep> Mine as well (macbook)
[07:29] <Seveas> now scale that to a 4:3 resolution
[07:29] <Seveas> meh, I am calculating the wrong way
[07:29] <PingunZ> @calc 1280/16*12
[07:29] <PingunZ> Bah, I Shut up :p
[07:29] <fschoep> PingunZ: no magic?
[07:30] <PingunZ> @calc 1280/16*12
[07:30] <Ubugtu> 960
[07:30] <PingunZ> -_-
[07:30] <fschoep> Nice trick
[07:30] <Seveas> @calc 1024/16*9
[07:30] <Ubugtu> 576
[07:30] <Seveas> hmm
[07:30] <fschoep> @calc 1024/16*10
[07:30] <Ubugtu> 640
[07:30] <Seveas> @calc 768/9*16
[07:30] <Ubugtu> 1365.33333333
[07:31] <PingunZ> Seveas: Math freak ? :)
[07:31] <Seveas> so... 1365x768 scaled to 1024x768 should be nice on widescreen
[07:31] <fschoep> You know what, that Ubugtu guy can sure calculate things fast.
[07:31] <PingunZ> rofl fschoep that's a bash.org one
[07:32] <fschoep> Probably ;)
[07:32] <PingunZ> You weren't serious right ?
[07:32] <fschoep> Seveas: my "picture" is one color with the logo on it, that's all.
[07:32] <fschoep> PingunZ: no
[07:32] <Seveas> kwwii, and yours?
[07:33] <PingunZ> Seveas: I think you missed my question above :: How can I use your custom-usplash-theme ( I had an X crash when you explained me yesterday ) ?
[07:33] <kwwii> here is my idea: http://bootsplash.org/usplash_idea1a.png
[07:34] <Seveas> PingunZ, now is not the time -- work to do
[07:34] <Seveas> I have 4.5 hours to create 6 usplash themes
[07:34] <kwwii> hehe
[07:34] <PingunZ> Ohw
[07:34] <PingunZ> Well, tell me in 5 hours then ;)
[07:35] <PingunZ> If you need any help that doesn't require intelligence I'd like to help :)
[07:35] <Seveas> kwwii, could you send that to me as xcf, (btw, the contrast between progressbar and its background is too small)
[07:35] <kwwii> I made mine as an SVG...should I send the png files (with the same palette, of course)
[07:35] <kwwii> Seveas: yeah, that is what I thought too
[07:35] <Seveas> kwwii, if you send pngs, I need these:
[07:35] <Seveas> * Full progressbar
[07:35] <Seveas> * Empty one
[07:35] <PingunZ> kwwii: That mockup with a scrolling logo would be sick :)
[07:35] <Seveas> * 800x600 rendering of image without progressbar
[07:35] <Seveas> * 1024x768 rendering
[07:36] <kwwii> Seveas: I have versions of all the pics in the example-theme file
[07:36] <Seveas> * 1365x768 rendering, preferably even scaled to 1024x768 (NOT with imagemagick)
[07:36] <kwwii> including the cropped one
[07:36] <fschoep> Seveas: I sent you the "design"
[07:36] <kwwii> Seveas: cool, I'll send you them asap
[07:36] <Seveas> the scaled one in the example is bad
[07:36] <Seveas> fschoep, great
[07:36] <kwwii> hehe, we had quite a discussion about scaling last time around
[07:37] <fschoep> kwwii: tell me about it ;)
[07:54] <kristog> 4/wc
[07:58] <Seveas> fschoep, I need the xcf of the theme or the rendering in the 3 resolutions I asked
[07:58] <fschoep> Seveas: oh dear, can't you clip the canvas?
[07:59] <fschoep> Seveas: I can't imagine an XCF adding a lot more data, but maybe I'm wrong
[07:59] <Seveas> fschoep, what's the resolution of the .png (too lazy to look) ;)
[08:00] <fschoep> Let me determine
[08:01] <fschoep> 1600 by 1200 px
[08:01] <Seveas> that'll do
[08:01] <bersace> youpi ! i have dputed my first package to revu :D
[08:02] <Seveas> btw: shouldn't there be a xubuntu splash too??
[08:02] <fschoep> bersace: !
[08:02] <fschoep> Seveas: that is a good question, it's not my task to get that one in right now
[08:03] <fschoep> Seveas: there are also no Xubuntu developers in the weekly meeting
[08:05] <PingunZ> And what about Edubuntu ?
[08:05] <Seveas> I think that if we get ubuntu and kubuntu in, edubuntu and xubuntu can be accepted post-freeze
[08:06] <fschoep> Seveas: indeed
[08:07] <fschoep> Seveas: I think, but it's only thinking, that Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the more rigidly controlled distro's.
[08:07] <Seveas> ok, palette created, now to create the images
[08:08] <kwwii> Seveas: sending you pics now
[08:12] <PingunZ> -- Me gets exited for the result --
[08:13] <PingunZ> Anything I can do to help ? -- Not requiring a lot of skills ..
[08:13] <fschoep> PingunZ: high contrast icons ;)
[08:13] <PingunZ> rofl fschoep, sorry I hate to make icons ..
[08:13] <PingunZ> I listed them for you but I can't make icons ..
[08:13] <fschoep> PingunZ: is there a reason for it?
[08:17] <fschoep> I've got about five minutes before I need to run elsewhere, anyone want to discuss something right now?
[08:18] <PingunZ> fschoep: I'm not good in small pictures .. :)
[08:18] <fschoep> PingunZ: I see, it's no problem I think bersace is on the ball
[08:18] <bersace> fschoep: say what ?
[08:19] <PingunZ> bersace: Are you the high-contrast icon designer ?
[08:19] <fschoep> bersace: we were talking about the highcon icons
[08:19] <bersace> ah yes
[08:20] <fschoep> bersace: I said to PingunZ you were doing that a bit
[08:20] <bersace> yep
[08:20] <PingunZ> NIce :)
[08:20] <fschoep> bersace: going well?
[08:20] <bersace> but i've stopped the work
[08:20] <fschoep> oh
[08:20] <bersace> for some days
[08:20] <fschoep> Phew, no problem ;)
[08:20] <fschoep> Is the contact with Henrik going well?
[08:20] <bersace> (university registration, gnomescan uplaod to universe, gnome 2.18 roadmap, etc.)
[08:21] <bersace> in fact, the laptop i used to do the icon will come back this evening (in few minutes)
[08:21] <fschoep> I see :)
[08:21] <bersace> then i'll be able to get back all to icons and work on it again :P
[08:21] <fschoep> Good, good, keep it up :)
[08:21] <bersace> I would like to have a SVN at fd.o for a cross desktop highcon icon set
[08:22] <fschoep> That sounds terrific, how did the KDE guys react?
[08:22] <bersace> quite well :)
[08:22] <bersace> luckly :P
[08:22] <fschoep> Do I need to pitch in, or can Henrik help out maybe?
[08:22] <fschoep> Something like high contrast Tango sounds awesome.
[08:22] <bersace> yep
[08:23] <bersace> i would like to do something useful and reusable
[08:23] <bersace> i'll have to dive into icon-naming-utils and such
[08:24] <fschoep> Indeed, that's a great goal to achieve
[08:25] <bersace> yep
[08:25] <fschoep> Alright, I got to go, it's been nice talking to you. Seveas if you need something to get the job done, mail / ping me or kwwii and we'll help you out immediately.
[08:25] <fschoep> Thanks a lot again for your time.
[08:25] <Seveas> fschoep, it should be done in a fw minutes
[08:25] <fschoep> OK, great!
[08:25] <PingunZ> Cool, you're talking about Usplash themes right ?
[08:25] <PingunZ> Can I test them ??? :)
[08:25] <fschoep> See you soon all
[08:26] <PingunZ> laterz fschoep :)
[08:26] <fschoep> cu :)
[08:46] <PingunZ> Seveas: How is the usplash going ? ( You said it would be done in a few minutes, a few minutes ago  :) )
[08:46] <Seveas> PingunZ, I discovered a bug in usplash, so I'm fixing that first
[08:47] <PingunZ> Nice :)
[08:48] <_ion> Btw, now that gnome-background-properties supports "Style: Zoom", isn't the widescreen version of the Ubuntu background image redundant? Just set the default style for "Ubuntu Lagoon" as "Zoom", and it will work on every screen as expected.
[08:49] <_ion> That also makes it work nicely on a dualscreen setup.
[08:52] <_ion> In case anyone wonders what "Style: Zoom" does: on a 16:9 screen (or 8:3, as in my setup) it crops a 4:3 image from the top and the bottom so that it fits the screen's aspect ratio exactly.
[08:55] <Seveas> ok bug fixed
[09:00] <PingunZ> NIce Seveas :)
[09:00] <PingunZ> Argh, I have the too-long-shift-pressing bug :)
[09:05] <_ion> I posted this as a comment to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edgy-wallpapers/+bug/45385
[09:07] <PingunZ> Ok _ion
[09:09] <Seveas> kwwii, ubuntu splash done
[09:09] <Seveas> now for yours ;)
[09:11] <kwwii> ;-)
[09:12] <kwwii> I sent you pics with the same indexed colors (unless I screwed up)
[09:13] <PingunZ> Seveas: Is it the theme you're talking about // can I test it ?
[09:13] <Seveas> PingunZ, you can't test it
[09:13] <PingunZ> ='(
[09:13] <Seveas> right now it will build but not install
[09:14] <Seveas> which is intentional
[09:14] <Seveas> it needs a fixed usplash
[09:14] <PingunZ> Ok, well if I can help testing tell me :)
[09:14] <Seveas> otherwise it'll segfault
[09:14] <Seveas> no need for testing
[09:30] <PingunZ> Ah, well I just want to help :)
[09:30] <PingunZ> Is there any way to shrink a .svg's ?
[09:31] <_ion> What do you mean by shrink?
[09:32] <PingunZ> The size
[09:32] <kwwii> PingunZ: yes, open it in inkscape and then resize it
[09:32] <PingunZ> So it loads quicker --> Svg
[09:32] <PingunZ> *--> GDM
[09:32] <kwwii> hehe, the size of it has nothing to do with the loading time
[09:32] <kwwii> the file size matters
[09:32] <PingunZ> I meant that
[09:32] <_ion> gzip it. :-)
[09:32] <kwwii> click on "clear defs" in the file menu
[09:32] <PingunZ> Ok :)
[09:32] <kwwii> gzipping it means it takes longer to load
[09:33] <kwwii> removing the extra definitions might help a bit
[09:33] <kwwii> try to use primitives whenever possible
[09:33] <kwwii> paths take up space
[09:33] <kwwii> AI actually writes much smaller paths
[09:33] <kwwii> so the file size is much smaller
[09:34] <kwwii> it creates the same look with fewer nodes
[09:34] <PingunZ> kwwii: Does the page size influence the file size ?
[09:34] <kwwii> PingunZ: nope
[09:35] <PingunZ> Ah ok
[09:35] <PingunZ> So I just click vacuum defs
[09:35] <PingunZ> and that's it ?
[09:35] <kwwii> yep
[09:35] <kwwii> remove any unused objects and get rid of any layers
[09:35] <PingunZ> Done that :)
[09:35] <PingunZ> Its for the blubuntu gdm btw ;)
[09:36] <kwwii> cool :-)
[09:36] <kwwii> if you use the same path twice link it from the orig instead of copying and pasting it (but I admit that I am too lazy to do that)
[09:37] <PingunZ> kwwii: you mean in the xml code of the GDM ?
[09:38] <kwwii> PingunZ: nope, I mean in the SVG itself
[09:38] <PingunZ> Oh, sorry :)
[09:38] <PingunZ> Bah, it loads quick enough now
[09:39] <PingunZ> I stripped the .xml file, user a .jpg as background, ..
[09:41] <PingunZ> kwwii: You designed the Suse GDM right ? It only has a 800*600 .jpg picture as background
[09:42] <kwwii> PingunZ: yes, I made it, but no it does not only have that size of image
[09:43] <Seveas> kwwii, kubuntu theme finished too
[09:43] <Seveas> now what?
[09:44] <kwwii> Seveas: take a break! have a beer on me :-)
[09:44] <Seveas> hehe
[09:44] <Seveas> I though it had to go in today ;)
[09:44] <kwwii> Seveas: thanks so much for taking care of this stuff...it would have taken me 3 times as long
[09:45] <Seveas> kwwii, more
[09:45] <Seveas> you wouldn't have succeeded
[09:45] <Seveas> but that's my fault
[09:45] <Seveas> There was a bug in usplash, and one in the example theme
[09:45] <PingunZ> Seveas: Can I use/test it now ? :P
[09:46] <Seveas> PingunZ, neither
[09:46] <Seveas> they will make current usplash segfault
[09:46] <PingunZ> When will I ba able to ?
[09:46] <kwwii> lol
[09:46] <kwwii> then I really am lucky ;-)
[09:46] <Seveas> I'm waiting for a core-dev to upload a fixed usplash
[09:46] <PingunZ> Oh
[09:47] <PingunZ> What's the ETA for it to be ready ?
[09:48] <Seveas> the fix is there
[09:49] <Seveas> just needs to be uploaded
[09:49] <PingunZ> Yay, that doesn't take long I hope :)
[09:49] <PingunZ> So then we will have it in the repo's and be able to use it ?? :)
[10:12] <Seveas> kwwii, pushed some people around, uploads should happen soon
[10:15] <PingunZ> Then I can just upgrade ? :)
[10:15] <PingunZ> Any screenshots Seveas ?
[10:15] <kwwii> Seveas: excellent!
[10:15] <Seveas> PingunZ, i don't have any vm's lying around for that
[10:16] <Seveas> scary though, I had a kubuntu usplash for a while
[10:16] <Seveas> Even though I really don't like kde at all
[10:16] <kwwii> :p
[10:16] <PingunZ> Seveas: The background image ?
[10:16] <kwwii> lol
[10:17] <kwwii> I LOVE IT!!!
[10:17] <PingunZ> kwwii: you don't like gnome then ?
[10:17] <kwwii> PingunZ: no, I have nothing against gnome
[10:17] <PingunZ> I always get lost in kde :)
[10:18] <kwwii> heck, many of the programs I use are gtk :-)
[10:18] <PingunZ> Konquerror -> Eww :)
[10:18] <kwwii> konqueror is my favorite part
[10:18] <PingunZ> ^^
[10:18] <kwwii> since it can do everything
[10:18] <kwwii> it is like a swiss arm knife of browsing
[10:19] <PingunZ> rofl
[10:19] <kwwii> I have one window open with file browsing tabs, websites in tabs, several ftp connections in tabs, and SVN in tabs
[10:20] <PingunZ> Seveas: Perhaps now you have the time to tell me how to use you custom usplash theme -> the one from the video.
[10:20] <kwwii> open the embeded terminal too and you are in business
[10:20] <Seveas> PingunZ, that probably won't work anymore
[10:20] <kwwii> heck with konqueror you almost do not need the rest of kde anymore :p
[10:20] <PingunZ> Seveas: Too bad, I liked the look :)
[10:21] <PingunZ> kwwii: If you type in ' google ' in konquerror, does it automatically links to google.com ?
[10:24] <kwwii> PingunZ: type "gg: searchphrase"
[10:26] <kwwii> in kubuntu, if you only type a phrase in it will use locate:
[10:26] <kwwii> which is a local search, naturally
[10:26] <PingunZ> Ah ok
[10:27] <PingunZ> Is konquerror as quick as FF ?
[10:28] <kwwii> to be honest, I never tested the difference
[10:29] <kwwii> I use firefox for certain pages that require it specifically
[10:46] <PingunZ> ping me when its uploaded ;)
[11:08] <fschoep> Hi guys
[11:08] <fschoep> troy_s: ping
[11:08] <fschoep> kwwii: ping
[11:08] <fschoep> Seveas: ping
[11:09] <Seveas> fschoep, themes are uploaded
[11:09] <fschoep> Godlike, thanks!
[11:09] <fschoep> Which package are they in?
[11:09] <Seveas> usplash-theme-ubuntu and kubuntu-default-settings
[11:09] <Seveas> the formr needs NEW massaging, so won't appear right now
[11:10] <kwwii> fschoep: pong
[11:10] <fschoep> Seveas: OK, but it will make it into Edgy later on?
[11:10] <fschoep> kwwii: Hi, everything OK for your usplash?
[11:10] <Seveas> yes, as soon as kamion/keybuk make it go through
[11:10] <kwwii> fschoep: although I have never seen it in action, I hope so :-)
[11:10] <fschoep> Seveas: OK, great - that's exactly what I needed
[11:10] <Seveas> (Feel free to poke them for it)
[11:10] <fschoep> Seveas: how can I ever pay my gratitude?
[11:10] <Seveas> kwwii, I've seen it, it needs work on the tekt colors but that's all
[11:11] <Seveas> fschoep, you promised me a beer
[11:11] <fschoep> True, but is that enough?
[11:11] <Seveas> fschoep, come to utrecht next saturday for software freedom day
[11:11] <Seveas> yes, a beer will do -- it wasn't that hard
[11:11] <fschoep> It's in?
[11:11] <fschoep> Utrecht duh
[11:11] <fschoep> It's too late for me 8)
[11:11] <Seveas> 5 minutes from utrecht overvecht station
[11:12] <Seveas> from 12 to 16
[11:12] <Seveas> I'll be showcasing usplash ;)
[11:12] <kwwii> fschoep: the final pic (before cutting, paletting) is http://bootsplash.org/usplash_idea1-640.png
[11:12] <fschoep> Sounds doable, but I'm not sure on my schedule
[11:12] <fschoep> kwwii: looking good
[11:12] <fschoep> Seveas: do you have a link to the schedule?
[11:13] <Seveas> there is no real schedule
[11:13] <Seveas> 1 room is nllgg meting
[11:13] <Seveas> 1 room is Ubuntu people
[11:13] <fschoep> I see, which building is it in?
[11:13] <Seveas> will have to look that up
[11:14] <Seveas> Liefland College
[11:16] <fschoep> I see
[11:17] <fschoep> If I can go, I'll be there
[11:17] <fschoep> Seveas: thanks for pointing that out, I hope I can be there
[11:18] <Seveas> \o/
[11:18] <PingunZ> Eek, is the usplash done ?
[11:18] <PingunZ> and uploaded ?
[11:19] <fschoep> PingunZ: seems like it, yes
[11:19] <fschoep> It's a test image
[11:19] <fschoep> to replace the test image
[11:19] <PingunZ> Can I just install it in edgy ? --> What should I do ?
[11:19] <fschoep> Ask Seveas, he'll tell you if you ask nicely
[11:19] <PingunZ>  // what repo
[11:20] <PingunZ> Mister Seveas, How can I install your new beautiful usplash theme in Ubuntu Edgy ? :)
[11:20] <Seveas> PingunZ, unly for kubuntu and xubuntu you can use it
[11:21] <Seveas> by simply upgrading
[11:21] <Seveas> the ubuntu theme needs archive maintainer love
[11:21] <PingunZ> :'(
[11:21] <kwwii> Seveas: I wouldn't mind trying it again on my ppc box
[11:21] <PingunZ> Can I download the kubuntu theme ? :)
[11:21] <kwwii> I wonder if there is more that I need to do...it never worked since installation
[11:21] <Seveas> apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings
[11:22] <kwwii> edgy installation I mean
[11:22] <Seveas> kwwii, usplash on ppc has been broken for a long time
[11:22] <Seveas> but should be fixed now
[11:22] <kwwii> I will try it out
[11:22] <kwwii> it cannot be worse than it is :-)
[11:23] <fschoep> Hey guys, it's been a good day today but I'm thinking about going to sleep, so goodnight everyone.
[11:23] <PingunZ> 'night fschoep
[11:24] <fschoep> Thanks, see you all (and thanks again Seveas :) )
[11:24] <PingunZ> I'm rebooting, to see the usplash theme :D
[11:26] <kwwii> funny, it sees when updating that I have changed my kdm xml file and does not change it, but it replaces the pics I made with the old ones
[11:26] <kwwii> rebooting...brb
[11:30] <PingunZ> Seveas: Err, I apt-get installed kubuntu-default-settings, I rebooted and I still saw the old usplash
[11:31] <Seveas> PingunZ, hmm dpkg -l usplash kubuntu-default-settings
[11:31] <PingunZ> ii  kubuntu-defaul 6.10-28        Default settings and artwork for the Kubuntu
[11:31] <PingunZ> ii  usplash        0.4-20         Userspace bootsplash utility
[11:31] <Seveas> those are old versions
[11:31] <Seveas> probably the new ones are waiting to be built and installed into the archive
[11:32] <Seveas> so be patient
[11:32] <PingunZ> :'( I installed kubuntu for nothing :)
[11:32] <PingunZ> Bah, I'm going to sleep then
[11:32] <PingunZ> Bye all
[11:32] <kwwii> bye
[11:32] <kwwii> hehe
[11:33] <kwwii> yeah, mine still has the same mknode errors followed by the incompatible theme message
[11:33] <kwwii> I'll try it again tomorrow morning :-)
[11:33] <kwwii> something to look forward too
[11:33] <kwwii> s/too/to


[05:59] <Rocket2DMn> mjg59, are you available?
[06:01] <Rocket2DMn> mjg59, I am forums staff, in contact with saaya RE: Foxconn.  s/he is asking about getting in contact with kernel developers either with Ubuntu or further up about opening lines of communication.  Please ping me when you get this, much appreciated.
[06:10] <sn9> kylem: are you subscribed to debbugs #429734 ?
[08:24] <Rocket2DMn> mjg59, if you can PM on the forums when you get my messages, I would much appreciate it, otherwise I will try to contact you again tomorrow - http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=310232 - thanks
[16:27] <doko> rtg, BenC: please could you apply the patch for #230315? the guy is a bit vocale, but the current behaviour is annoying anyway
[16:30] <rtg> doko: I'll look at it.
[16:30] <doko> thanks
[17:06] <Kano> hi BenC , when do you fix the intrepid source - as it does not build
[17:14] <Kano> hi rtg , could you fix compiling of the intrepid sources?
[17:15] <rtg> Kano: probably not today., but BenC is around.
[17:22] <Kano> well he does not say anything, i askes yesterday too ;)
[17:23] <rtg> Kano: we've been traveling
[18:13] <Kano> will try tomorrow, hopefully it compiles then
[19:00] <Rocket2DMn> mjg59, I don't know if you got my messages last night RE: Foxconn.  I was told this morning by Mike Basinger that you no longer work on Ubuntu.  I responded to saaya (Sascha Krohn) about getting in contact with linux/Ubuntu devs and said to email the kernel team mailing list so that you all could point in the right direction
[19:00] <Rocket2DMn> I said you would probably want to send those guys upstream to work directly with linux kernel devs but I wasn't entirely sure
[19:04] <mjg59> Rocket2DMn: I'm in touch with the UK technical guy at Foxconn
[19:33] <Rocket2DMn> mjg59, OK.  Is there anything you would like me to tell Sascha other than what I have already said?
[19:33] <mjg59> I don't think so, no
[19:33] <Rocket2DMn> i can message you his email address
[19:33] <mjg59> Just let him know that I'm working with Chuck
[19:34] <mjg59> s/Chuck/Carl/
[19:34] <Rocket2DMn> alright, Carl it is
[19:35] <Rocket2DMn> back to the forums for me, thanks for helping with this whole Foxconn mess mjg59


[06:23] <dholbach> good morning
[09:00] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:00] <czajkowski> https://launchpad.net/ngo-oh-jme
[09:00] <czajkowski> Ohio LoCo is hlping on the NGO project
[18:12]  * ball prices up server hardware
[18:13] <czajkowski> ball: evening
[18:23] <ball> hello czajkowski
[18:23] <ball> it's afternoon here
[18:23] <czajkowski> this is why aloha is just easier
[18:24] <ball> Come to think of it, it's lunch time
[18:27] <ball> hello neoXsys
[18:28] <neoXsys> ball, Hi!!!
[18:28] <czajkowski> neoXsys: aloha
[18:29] <neoXsys> czajkowski: Namaste!!!
[18:30] <Pendulum> did we ever set up a post-UDS meeting for this team? because it strikes me that there ought to be one
[18:33] <czajkowski> aye we had  1
[18:33] <Pendulum> how do I not remember this?
[18:33] <Pendulum> I remember the pre-UDS meeting
[18:33] <Pendulum> obviously I must be losing it ;)
[18:33] <czajkowski> you were at meeting
[18:33] <czajkowski> you took on items
[18:34] <Pendulum> nope, that was before UDS
[18:34] <czajkowski> advocacy
[18:34] <Pendulum> and then in e-mail afterwards
[18:34] <Pendulum> (well, and during)
[18:34] <Pendulum> but I'm not sure there's been a full team meeting since UDS
[18:35] <czajkowski> oh
[18:35] <czajkowski> hmmmm
[18:35] <czajkowski> feck
[18:35] <czajkowski> I was sure tehre was
[18:35] <czajkowski> just no logs up
[18:35] <czajkowski> I'm clearly losing ig
[18:35] <czajkowski> it
[18:36] <Pendulum> I think you maybe said something about a meeting or something at one point, but it wasn't something that I remember being announced beforehand or something
[18:36] <Pendulum> and then it might have been the next day that I took on advocacy
[18:37] <czajkowski> possibly
[18:37] <czajkowski> aye
[18:37] <czajkowski> cause we still have those tag lines on the blog to pick one
[18:37] <czajkowski> we should do that really
[18:42] <czajkowski> http://ubuntungo.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/belize-botanic-gardens-ngo-interview/#comment-86
[18:42] <czajkowski> and follow up here
[18:42] <czajkowski> I need to come up with some sort of plan for my evenings
[18:48] <ball> Sorry, I was afk putting a pizza in the oven


[18:28] <chilts> morning
[18:36] <Atamira> morning
[18:39] <snail> mōrena
[19:13] <ajmitch> morning
[19:44] <snail> I'm assuming that the release isn't too close for this to make it in: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/10/05/the-document-foundation-publishes-details-of-libreoffice-3-4-3-security-fixes/
[19:53] <ajmitch> snail: security fixes get uploaded into a separate queue
[20:51] <thumper> morning
[21:20] <ibeardslee> morning
[22:19] <snail> people may know someone interested in http://checkthis.com/4w1
[23:01]  * ibeardslee goes bye byes for reboot
[23:08] <ojwb> afternoon
[23:46] <ibeardslee> https://www.apple.com/stevejobs/
[23:47]  * ajmitch looks at hacker news & sees the top 10 or so news items are about steve jobs


[00:47] <ojn> Hm. who here looks after the panda kernel tree for ubuntu?
[00:48] <infinity> ojn: You want ppisati (or to file a bug).
[00:59] <ojn> infinity, thanks
[01:05] <ojn> christ, I forgot just how horrible launchpad is to use.
[01:08] <twb> ojn: the BTS part?
[01:10] <ojn> twb: well, all of it. But in general it's hard to find how to do whatever you came to it to do. In this case, how to file a bug against the panda kernel. I had to find the package name by doing some random searches that happened to hit on bugs for it, go to the package, and there open the bug
[01:10] <ojn> btw, it's open at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/965840
[01:10] <twb> I use https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface when I have to deal with Ubuntu-specific problems; everything else I reproduce and deal with upstream so as to avoid launchpad
[01:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 965840 in linux-ti-omap4 "Need to apply patch: "ARM: Do not call flush_cache_user_range with mmap_sem held"" [Undecided,New]
[01:10] <twb> (Sorry, it took a while to find the URL)
[01:10] <ojn> ah there it is. :)
[01:11] <twb> As you can see from http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.reportbugrc I was not in a good mood
[01:14] <infinity> I'm not sure pasting that was entirely necessary, but "thanks".
[01:14]  * twb looks briefly embarrased; goes back to lurking
[01:15] <infinity> ojn: Thanks for the report, I added a task for linux-ac100 as well, the only other ARM SMP kernel we currently ship.
[01:15] <ojn> why do i need an rc file to report a bug? If i'm not native on the system it's completely useless to have native tools for bug reporting
[01:15] <ojn> infinity, you're basing that on the chromeos branch though, right? I have added the patch there already
[01:15] <infinity> ojn: I assume this has no effect on non-smp (your description implies as much), and doesn't need applying to our omap3 and mx53 kernels?
[01:16] <ojn> infinity, given that it's a semaphore it can still happen (if you go to sleep across the call, then another thread comes in), but the scope is much much smaller
[01:16] <infinity> ojn: The ac100 task is just to make sure we already have the patch but, yeah, we may already.
[01:16] <infinity> ojn: Well, if it's theoretically triggerable on UP machines, I'll add tasks across the board.
[01:25] <ojn> infinity, thanks. it'd be awesome if that could go out as an update to current release instead of just into next release as well. not sure how to flag that on the report (if i even can do that)
[01:26] <infinity> ojn: We can do SRU tasks for it, though, with an LTS coming up, I'm not sure if it's worth the effort.
[01:33] <ojn> infinity, i guess you assume everybody always updates. far from always the case
[01:34] <infinity> ojn: No, I make no such assumption.  But we do sort of assume that people might prefer to move to an LTS (and armhf) at some point soon, rather than one of the less-than-stellar releases leading up to it.
[01:35] <infinity> ojn: We do backport changes to old release kernels, though.  But not every change is as critical as the reporter thinks, etc.
[01:36] <infinity> ojn: Which release in particular were you interested in?
[01:36] <infinity> ojn: maverick is EOL in a month, but I can add natty and oneiric tasks and see about getting it pulled into the next SRU round.
[15:38] <ppisati> ogra: do you have a 4460?
[15:39] <ogra_> ppisati, yes
[15:39] <janimo`> hmm. libo ftbfs on armel but not on armhf
[15:39] <janimo`> I wonder if a give-back 'solves' it
[15:40] <ppisati> ogra_: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/linux-image-3.2.0-1411-omap4_3.2.0-1411.14_armhf.deb
[15:40] <ppisati> ogra_: tell if hdmi works there (btw should be)
[15:40] <ppisati> *tell me
[15:41] <ogra_> i dont have any working install on my panda atm
[15:41] <ppisati> GrueMaster: are you around?
[15:41] <GrueMaster> ppisati: Yep, pulling the kernel now.
[15:41] <ppisati> GrueMaster: thanks
[15:42] <ogra_> where would we be without him !
[15:43] <GrueMaster> ogra_: Ask that question again in a couple of weeks.
[15:43]  * ogra_ will definitely do that
[15:43] <ppisati> that didn't sound so good...
[15:45] <GrueMaster> ppisati: Woot!  Video is back.
[15:45] <ppisati> cool
[15:45] <GrueMaster> (splash screen so far).
[15:49] <GrueMaster> Ok, oem-config is coming up.  But no usb input (keyboard/mouse).
[15:50] <GrueMaster> let me rip apart boot.scr and add console output.
[15:55] <GrueMaster> Probably need to do a proper kernel install (which I can't do on a preinstalled-desktop).  Let me do some hackery to get the modules loaded.
[16:02] <GrueMaster> ppisati: I think we'll just have to roll with this for now.  I have no way of updating the kernel on the image easily.  I could hack an image from another panda with usb drive support, but I can't hack the image on an SD (the panda bug of removing the SD even when it isn't mounted is still there).
[16:19] <GrueMaster> ppisati: Ok, after some wack hackery, I have the kernel installed properly, keyboard/mouse work, life seems better.  I'll let you know if I see anything in dmesg.
[16:20] <ppisati> GrueMaster: cool, thanks
[16:22] <ogra_> it takes so little to make life better for him :)
[16:24] <GrueMaster> I retract part of that last statement.  I have mouse but no keyboard.  :(
[16:26] <GrueMaster> ppisati: ^^^
[16:26] <ppisati> GrueMaster: if you have mouse, you should have keyboard too
[16:27] <GrueMaster> One would think so.
[16:27] <GrueMaster> Especially since this is an integrated keyboard.
[16:27] <ogra_> out of battery ?
[16:28] <GrueMaster> Wired.  Not remote.
[16:30]  * GrueMaster checks earlyprintk output for obvious issues.
[16:34] <GrueMaster> sigh.
[16:34]  * GrueMaster hates bugs that seemingly vanish when in debug mode.
[16:36] <GrueMaster> btw, we will want to disable the built-in camera before kernel freeze.  Most people don't have one, and those that do can easily rebuild the kernel to include it.
[17:26] <ojn> infinity, thanks. sorry, had to go offline for the rest of the night. For me, current live release is what matters most since that's where my user is at.
[17:29] <infinity> ojn: As in oneiric?
[17:29] <infinity> (And soon precise)
[17:30] <ojn> yeah, that's it. i forget the names of the releases these days.
[19:04] <morphis> infinity: ping
[19:05] <infinity> morphis: Sup?
[19:05] <morphis> infinity: can I ask you something in private?
[19:05] <infinity> morphis: Asking publicly if you can ask something in private is a bit odd. ;)
[19:06] <infinity> morphis: But go nuts.


[00:08] <serialorder> hi, id like to join you guys in maintaining the desktop packages and am looking at this (quite long) list here: http://piware.de/workitems/desktop/lucid/versions.html
[00:09] <serialorder> i am wondering what the policy is for the ones that are not the latest version in debian
[00:10] <serialorder> one could imagine that for those we just wait for debian to update and then import once they have done so
[00:22] <chrisccoulson> serialorder - we don't have to wait for debian to update. we can update to the latest upstream version before debian does, or we can re-sync on the current debian version and update to the latest upstream version all in one go
[00:22] <chrisccoulson> but we're being quite conservative with which packages to update at the moment
[00:23] <serialorder> oh
[00:23] <chrisccoulson> because we don't want to risk introducing features which are not likely to be finished properly when lucid is delivered
[00:23] <serialorder> might you suggest a package that would be acceptable for me to work on?
[00:25] <chrisccoulson> seialorder - i haven't had a chance to look at the list yet, and i'm just about to go to bed. it's probably ok to do merges with debian for most packages, especially if the upstream versions are the same. but i'm not so sure about doing gnome 2.29.1 updates just yet
[00:26] <chrisccoulson> ^^^serialorder (i spelt your name wrong there)
[00:28] <chrisccoulson> mclasen - about the seahorse-agent crash - the X connection dying is actually a red-herring
[00:28] <chrisccoulson> the crash happens when exit() is called from any code path
[00:28]  * mclasen thinks that atexit handler may be his fault, actually
[00:28] <chrisccoulson> mclasen - it is
[00:28] <mclasen> because I complained  about the agent leaving tmpdirs behind
[00:31] <mclasen> did you reopen the upstream bug ? might be a good idea...
[00:32] <chrisccoulson> mclasen - i haven't seen the upstream bug yet
[00:32] <chrisccoulson> i left a comment here last night after i had a look at it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse-plugins/+bug/429322/comments/37
[00:32] <chrisccoulson> it describes what I *think* is happening, but i haven't had time to look at it any more tonight
[00:40] <chrisccoulson> mclasen - oops, i misread your earlier message "thinks that atexit handler may be his fault, actually"
[00:40] <chrisccoulson> i read it as "thinks that atexit handler may be at fault, actually" when i replied "it is" ;)
[00:42] <mclasen> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579738 is the bug you probably want to reopen
[01:21] <chrisccoulson> i wish launchpad would not spam everybody each time a duplicate bug is reported
[01:21] <chrisccoulson> thats not good for a bug wit over 100 duplicates
[01:45] <Ng> chrisccoulson: it's the equivalent of bugzilla mailing you when someone CCs themselves to a bug ;)
[01:45] <Ng> (ignoring that you can stop it doing that)
[01:46] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's really annoying
[01:46] <chrisccoulson> especially when people start sending "unsubscribe" messages and adding to the spam
[06:55] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Sorry, screwed up with dch -r for brasero, meant to have your name on the changelog sign-off line.
[08:28] <pitti> Good morning
[08:30] <didrocks> hello pitti :)
[08:30] <didrocks> seems that we will have to update all our branches (and that seb128 will have to upgrade his netwoork connection too)
[08:39] <baptistemm> good morning gentlemen
[08:45] <Amaranth> not so sure I want to switch compiz to having all the source in bzr
[08:46] <Amaranth> would make it easier to update quilt patches but the only point I can see for having everything in bzr is 3.0 (bzr) source package format
[09:02] <seb128> hello there
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[09:04] <huats> morning
[09:05] <pitti> hey seb128
[09:05] <pitti> huats: bonjour
[09:05] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson huats pitti
[09:05] <pitti> huats: would you mind testing udev in karmic-proposed and give feedback on the bug report? so that it can move to -updates soon?
[09:06] <huats> pitti, Guten Tag
[09:06] <huats> pitti, sure will do it right now
[09:06] <huats> hello seb128 and chrisccoulson
[09:06] <pitti> huats: merci
[09:06] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti and huats too
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> how is everyone this morning?
[09:07] <pitti> very lucid :)
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> i still haven't done any lucid stuff yet!
[09:08] <seb128> lol
[09:08] <huats> SO BUSY !
[09:08] <seb128> I'm good, 3 days weekend again this week
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i bet you're looking forward to that ;)
[09:09] <chrisccoulson> my weekend will be shorter than usual, as i have to work a full day today
[09:09] <seb128> sort of yes
[09:09] <chrisccoulson> (well, i need to work at least until all of my colleagues have gone home)
[09:09] <seb128> travelling on monday though so that will be a bit less relax
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> it's quite a long journey too isn' it/
[09:10] <seb128> having to wake up quite early, to pack before
[09:10] <seb128> and I didn't prepare my specs, etc yet
[09:10] <seb128> yes, some 15 hours travelling
[09:26] <seb128> pitti, 2028 i386 bugs to retrace
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: hm, it seems it's going _up_?
[09:26] <seb128> 689 amd ones
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, no
[09:27] <pitti> ♪ MADNESS takes its toll! ♫
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, 2181 892
[09:27] <seb128> those were yesterday's numbers
[09:27] <seb128> catching up slowly
[09:28] <seb128> pitti, could you stop restarting to hardy ones?
[09:28] <seb128> the load is 6 on the box
[09:28] <seb128> it would be faster to let only the karmic ones catch up now
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: hardy-amd64 is the one that processes all the python dupes, thuogh
[09:28] <seb128> oh ok
[09:28] <seb128> ignore me then
[09:28] <pitti> and the python ones should not cause much load; it's primarily LP communication
[09:29] <pitti> seb128: 6? hah, I've seen the box at 50 :)
[09:29] <pitti> (no fun to work on it then, though)
[09:29] <pitti> seb128: you know, I think I'll just change the cronjob to remove the lock
[09:29] <seb128> the brutal way
[09:30] <pitti> seb128: then we can let it catch up, and then investigate real breakage
[09:30] <seb128> but yes please do for the weekend at least
[09:30] <seb128> got some weird firefox issues
[09:30] <seb128> I untagged those
[09:31] <seb128> weird = binary not available
[09:31] <seb128> not sure if some directory changed or something
[09:31] <seb128> I didn't look into details
[09:31] <seb128> like it was installing firefox but still complain that the required binary was not there
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: oh, heck, no; cron job must not remove the lock files, otherwise they'd overlap and run in parallel
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: yeah, usually a previous microversion
[09:32] <seb128> good point
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: but I thought I already fixed that in karmic's apport
[09:32] <seb128> I though too
[09:32] <seb128> I will ping you next time it happens
[10:03] <seb128> bbl
[13:10] <ccheney`> i got a weird notify your distributor message in my notify area in karmic
[13:30] <Laney> pitti: (or someone else), could you pocket copy f-spot from karmic-proposed to lucid?
[13:31] <Laney> I'll sort the sync out as and when
[13:31] <pitti> Laney: yes, I'll do that anyway
[13:31] <Laney> oh cool
[13:31] <Laney> thought I might have put you off by saying that I planned to sync it
[13:38] <mpt> ccheney`, did it look like this? http://grossmeier.net/files/stupid-error.png
[13:48] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, there's a bug pattern for bug 429322, but it seems that users are still submitting them with apport
[13:53] <chrisccoulson> oh, ok, there is no bug pattern for it
[13:53] <chrisccoulson> it seems that there is a commit which says one was added, but the xml file is not included :-/
[14:01] <ccheney`> mpt: looking
[14:05] <ccheney`> mpt: yes that is it
[14:19] <rickspencer3>      good morning
[14:19] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[14:28] <mac_v> mpt: ccheney`: Bug #423694
[14:29] <mac_v> for some the blanking it fixed  , but some get the message even with no blanking
[14:30] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - are you saying that some people are experiencing other issues in addition to seeing this icon?
[14:30] <chrisccoulson> i see the icon when i shouldn't see it, but there are no other issues
[14:31] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: in bug #397839 , users are still reporting blanking
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, ok. i can't recreate that issue
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> under what conditions are they seeing blanking? does it blank when they are doing stuff, or just when they are watching a video (but not doing anything else)
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> that information is fairly important (i have to admit, i've not looked the whole way through the bug report yet)
[14:37] <chrisccoulson> anyway, home time for me
[14:37] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: thats why i was saying the idle counter still has some mismatch, somewhere... initially , even after the xorg patch, i too was having blanking [during typing and such] but blanking was fixed for me . and still the icon was displayed. so i thought it might have been a problem where the icon is unnecessarily displayed.  But the blanking had not gone fully , but rather became rarer...
[14:38] <mac_v> now , i have no blanking and now the icon is not displayed
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> that's strange. anyway, i've got to disappear now
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> weekend, here i come!
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> it might be my last weekend of freedom!
[14:38]  * mac_v vanishes too ;)
[14:59] <dpm> pitti, ccheney` I was thinking about having a dedicated session on OO.o translations, but seeing that there is https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-openoffice already, do you think it might be a better idea to discuss translations in there as well instead?
[15:00] <pitti> dpm: I defer to ccheney` for this; I'm fine either way; just let me know if you need a new session scheduled
[15:01] <dpm> thanks pitti
[15:01] <dpm> ccheney`, what do you think^?
[15:02] <ccheney`> dpm: yea we could do it in that session i think, its just an informational session so won't take too long
[15:05] <dpm> thanks ccheney`, may I ask you or pitti to add a short note on translations on the summary as well? Or if you've got a wiki page for the spec, I can do that myself
[15:05] <pitti> it's just a blueprint so far
[15:05]  * ccheney` in a meeting atm
[15:06] <dpm> no worries
[15:07] <pitti> I'll change it accordingly
[16:18] <Laney> I wonder why my laptop screen randomly dims
[16:18] <Laney> (and doesn't come back)
[17:26] <huats> pitti, I have commented the bug saying it works great with the one in proposed
[17:26] <huats> thanks again...
[17:26] <pitti> thanks
[17:26] <huats> sorry for the delay
[17:27] <pitti> np, it still needs to bake a bit anyway
[17:37] <and471> kenvandine: what is the correct/desired behaviour for xsplash on a dual monitor setup?
[18:02] <chrisccoulson> Laney - is your display dimming issue repeatable?
[18:05] <chrisccoulson> mclasen - do you have any opinion on bug 428884? (ie, do you think this functionality should be added back to gnome-screensaver)
[18:10] <mclasen> chrisccoulson: there's a FIXME in the code that describes what needs to be done to make it work again
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> mclasen - yeah, i was just wondering how to do it though. it seems that gnome-session and totem both contain some code which resets IDLETIME by simulating fake key presses, using xtest
[18:12] <mclasen> chrisccoulson: but as a general comment, idle handling is now in gnome-session, and inhibitors are the supported api to, well, inhibit things
[18:12] <Laney> chrisccoulson: not at will. I'll get back to you shortly when I get home
[18:12] <Laney> brb
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> mclasen - yeah, agreed
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> but some applications still rely on the old interfaces for now
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> mclasen - i'm just wondering if gnome-screensaver should copy the send_fake_event function from gnome-session, or if there is a better way to do it?
[18:14] <pitti> good bye everyone, have a nice weekend!
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> (although, judging from the comment in gnome-session, i don't think there is a better way)
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> have a good weekend too pitti!
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> are you travelling next week too?
[18:44] <kenvandine> and471, i am not sure actually, never seen it
[18:44] <kenvandine> bratsche, ^^
[18:44] <and471> bratsche: what is the correct/desired behaviour for xsplash on a dual monitor setup?
[18:49] <bratsche> and471: At the moment I think it just puts itself on monitor #0, regardless of which monitor is the primary one.
[18:49] <and471> bratsche: yup, what SHOULD be the behaviour though/what will you work up towards having it do?
[18:50] <bratsche> and471: That was never defined in the requirements, but presumably it should be put on the primary monitor.
[18:50] <and471> bratsche: okay, what happens on the other monitor whilst this is happening?
[18:51] <bratsche> Right now it's drawn by gnome-settings-daemon, and it will continue to be until someone specifies otherwise.
[18:52] <and471> bratsche: its just that at the moment, it shows the desktop before xsplash has finished and so it doesn't look very slick
[18:52] <and471> and471: will it be a black screen in the future? or what are the plans?
[18:53] <and471> bratsche: ^^ sorry talking to myself
[18:53] <bratsche> There's supposed to be a session on this at UDS, and I suppose people will have some thoughts there.  Right now there are no plans, I'm working on other stuff.
[18:56] <and471> bratsche: okay thankyou for you time :-)
[18:56] <and471> *your
[18:58] <bratsche> If you have something specific in mind, let me know.  But otherwise I'm not really thinking at all about xsplash these days.
[18:58] <and471> bratsche: not really, was just wondering what would happen, but at the moment a simple option is just a black screen that fades into the desktop the same time as the main splash
[18:59] <and471> bratsche: but I get you aren't working on xsplash now :-)
[20:24] <Laney> chrisccoulson: Hi there. Got any debugging hints? note: I am using some kernel module (nvidia-bl) that I got from a PPA to make it work so it could well be that
[20:32] <Laney> alright so I think it's when it restores from dimming it doesn't go back to the previous level
[20:32] <Laney> and it seems to dim too rapidly
[20:43] <Laney> oh
[20:44] <Laney> it's the "reduce display brightness" option I think
[21:24] <RevVader> anyone in here an lvm/luks/cryptsetup type person?
[22:08] <didrocks> pitti: thanks for the ack
[22:08] <didrocks> pitti: and for the link on how enabling proposed :) (ok, that's a user generic mail ;))
[22:56]  * Amaranth looks at his inbox and weeps
[22:57] <Amaranth> Did apport get turned off yet?
[23:13] <bryce> Amaranth, do the bugs mention Checkbox?
[23:14] <Amaranth> bryce: no, the "compiz crashes inside the nvidia libGL on close" one
[23:14] <Amaranth> I keep getting dupes but I don't know if those were just sitting around since apport apparently died recently
[23:15] <bryce> mm could be
[23:15] <bryce> fwiw I'm not seeing tons of apport bugs at the moment
[23:17] <bryce> I count 7 reported within the past week
[23:17] <dtchen> Amaranth: you can have my grub bugs if you'd like to trade.
[23:17] <Amaranth> probably old bugs that never got retraced
[23:17] <bryce> which could all be leftovers from pre-release installs I suppose
[23:17] <Amaranth> dtchen: No thanks, compiz is painful enough
[23:17] <bryce> I was getting inundated by checkbox bugs though.  glad to get that turned off
[23:18] <Amaranth> dtchen: That reminds me though, did you see that adding module-x11-bell or whatever to pulseaudio wasn't working to get the beep while using compiz anymore?
[23:18] <Amaranth> I mentioned that after adding a pulseaudio task so I dunno if you ever saw it
[23:18] <bryce> mostly "resolution isn't right" bugs.  I ought to investigate when I get a chance, in case it's something more than just monitors with bad edid or whatever
[23:19] <dtchen> Amaranth: it works here, though I tested using xmonad and metacity
[23:20] <Amaranth> dtchen: metacity doesn't even need it, metacity uses libcanberra directly to do the beep
[23:20] <Amaranth> while compiz and (I'm guessing) xmonad tell X to do it
[23:20] <dtchen> right, but I tested xmonad (my normal env)
[23:21] <dtchen> I suppose I'll just iterate through the other DEs I have
[23:21] <Amaranth> It might just be my computer, dunno
[23:21] <Amaranth> Maybe I've got the channels wrong or something
[23:21] <Amaranth> I know if I use 2ch I don't get the LFE or whatever but I've also got 4ch, 5ch, and 6ch to choose from
[23:23] <dtchen> all of which probably are getting bitten by the MMX bug
[23:23] <dtchen> [but are not related to this bell issue, I suspect]
[23:23] <Amaranth> mmx bug?
[23:24] <dtchen> the optimized asm for volume and channel mapping
[23:24] <Amaranth> ah
[23:24]  * Amaranth curses at launchpad


[00:35] <jepler> is there a shorthand for "the remote branch the current branch is tracking"?  for instance, so that if I'm on 'master' I can type 'git log THAT..' instead of 'git log origin/master..'
[00:35] <jepler> argh, wrong channel .. sorry
[07:10] <kees> "Remove 386 flavour per UDS discussion" woo
[07:19] <virtuald> what is generic i3i86 -mtuned for?
[07:19] <virtuald> i386
[08:32] <crimsun> virtuald: generic.
[08:33] <virtuald> o.o
[08:33] <crimsun> the only way to see it is to bypass the pretty print at compile time ;)
[08:37] <virtuald> :>
[13:06]  * abogani waves
[15:05] <tseliot> apw: is this http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/ from the linus git tree?
[15:36] <crimsun> tseliot: yes; it tracks linux-2.6.git on git.k.o. See BUILDLOG.
[15:36] <tseliot> crimsun: ah, thanks a lot
[15:46] <chrisccoulson> is smb here at UDS?
[15:47] <crimsun> yes
[15:47] <crimsun> you may find him in Mangrove 3 currently (I'm not in that room, though)
[15:57] <crimsun> chrisccoulson: sorry, he's currently in the ~/Private session (Bois Dentelle)
[15:57] <chrisccoulson> crimsun, awesome. thanks :)
[18:32] <xente> hello...is it possible to capture/filter arp packets to a queue using netfilter?