[03:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:25] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[08:59] <ducasse> good morning
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> o/
[17:06] <madhens> Morning!
[17:54] <Maik> morning (evening for me) madhens
[19:40] <Maik> leftyfb: i thought the troll from yesterday was banned?
[19:49] <leftyfb> Only from here. I don’t have op in #ubuntu
[19:50] <Maik> iirc el banned both andrew2 and yrdsb
[19:51] <Maik> in #ubuntu that is
[20:02] <leftyfb> I don’t think so. I think they banned aderall/spambot
[20:02] <leftyfb> the ops don’t care about the school kid
[20:03] <Maik> el is from the libera staff
[20:03] <sarnold> I threw andrew on the namespace ban channel
[20:06] <Maik> leftyfb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JS34m4HBCJ/
[20:34] <leftyfb> Ah, el missed the other nick. Should just get both of the hosts. Those haven’t changed since they first joined. One from home and the other from school


[00:59] <qengho> Howdy, y'all!
[00:59] <jbicha> qengho: mornin'
[01:30] <qengho> jbicha: where are you these days?
[01:30] <jbicha> S of Tampa, FL
[01:32] <jbicha> so, not morning here :)
[01:32] <jbicha> I just didn't want you to be lonely like yesterday so I said hi this time
[01:33] <sarnold> <3
[01:37] <qengho> <3
[01:38] <qengho> jbicha: I'm back in CFL in 5 days.
[01:41] <qengho> jbicha_: I'm back in CFL in 5 days.
[01:47] <jbicha> qengho: cool, that's quite a time zone shift
[01:55] <qengho> jbicha: It's an entire π out of phase.
[01:58] <jbicha> it's cool that you wouldn't have to adjust an old-school analog clock/watch for it
[05:00] <hikiko> Hello
[05:09] <jbicha> hi
[07:19] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:59] <willcooke> morning all
[08:02] <andyrock> morning all
[08:02] <Laney> hey ho
[08:05] <mpt> “A new version of Ubuntu is available. Would you like to upgrade?”
[08:06]  * mpt tries to click a button in the dialog, but it jumps from the center of the screen to the top left corner
[08:06]  * mpt tries again, but a moment too soon, the dialog disappears altogether
[08:07] <seb128> hey willcooke andyrock Laney
[08:08] <seb128> mpt, did it crash? :-( was that on trusty?
[08:11] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:12] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:12] <seb128> Laney, happy friday! how are you today? how is rainy u.k?
[08:12] <seb128> going well
[08:12] <pitti> morning Laney!
[08:12] <seb128> glad that it's friday ;-)
[08:12] <seb128> though still a busy todolist for the day
[08:13] <Laney> hey pitti!
[08:13] <Laney> I am crippled today
[08:13] <pitti> Laney: uh, what happened? climbing?
[08:13] <Laney> yeah
[08:13] <Laney> it was weird though
[08:13] <Laney> I was just doing a climb and then managed to ruin my neck
[08:13] <Laney> and it's quite bad today
[08:13] <Laney> maybe pinched a nerve or so
[08:13] <pitti> urgh
[08:14]  * Laney is on ibuprofen
[08:14] <willcooke> :((
[08:14] <pitti> .. and I just wanted to ask you whether you could fill in for me during my vac..
[08:15] <Laney> did you know that ibuprofen was discovered in nottingham?
[08:15] <Laney> #funfacts
[08:15] <Laney> fill in in what way?
[08:15] <Laney> probably not at basketball
[08:15] <Laney> but in other ways, sure ;-)
[08:15] <pitti> Laney: discovered just for these crazy climbers? :-)
[08:16]  * seb128 steps up for taking care of that daily icecream scoop
[08:16] <pitti> Laney: for keeping an eye on the autopkgtest machinery
[08:16] <pitti> seb128: that's the hardest tasks of all!
[08:16] <seb128> indeed!
[08:16] <seb128> we didn't even manage to get ice cream once while you were here
[08:16] <pitti> well, we did have the one you grabbed on Sat
[08:16] <seb128> I went yesterday evening though :p
[08:17] <seb128> right
[08:17] <seb128> I'm glad I did ;-)
[08:18] <Laney> pitti: ah yeah, sure
[08:18] <flexiondotorg> o/
[08:18] <Laney> the queues are looking large
[08:18] <pitti> Laney: I'll be off from next Wed for 1.5 weeks
[08:18] <pitti> Laney: yeah, moar KDE goodness
[08:18] <seb128> Laney, I hope you are going to be better for the w.e and that it's not going to ruin your w.e plans
[08:18] <pitti> Laney: they went over the Qt 5.6 and Perl humps yesterday
[08:18] <pitti> Laney: I messed up the setup-testbed script which caused a bunch of failures this morning, but TTBOMK everything is running smoothly now
[08:19] <pitti> Laney: other than that I renamed lcy01.rc to *.disabled to avoid getting spammed by  those mails every 6 hours
[08:19] <Laney> okay
[08:19] <pitti> apparently reviving lcy01 is a bigger task
[08:19] <Laney> I wonder what happened to it
[08:20] <pitti> the disk of the DB server had been brittle for a while already, and apparently it now died completely
[08:20] <pitti> R.I.P. mysql
[08:21] <pitti> seb128, Laney: I hope systemd 231-1 will land by tomorrow, then I could land gnome-session to enable systemd sessions in y; problem is, that's right before my holidays, so if anything goes seriously wrong could you revert the Exec= line back to gnome-session in case?
[08:22] <mpt> seb128, it came back eventually … It was an example of the mistake of letting windows appear before the window manager has launched
[08:24] <Laney> pitti: Alright, let's do it
[08:24] <Laney> I'm going to upload gtk today too (but block it for a bit more in proposed)
[08:24] <Laney> crack day
[08:24] <Laney> flexiondotorg: you ready with your theme?
[08:24] <flexiondotorg> Laney, close.
[08:25] <flexiondotorg> Perhaps close enough for not total breakage.
[08:25] <Laney> 'k
[08:25] <pitti> Laney: that's the spirit :)
[08:25] <flexiondotorg> When are you planning to land GTK 3.20?
[08:25] <pitti> Laney: if/once I land it, I'll mail u-devel@ with contingency options
[08:25] <flexiondotorg> Ah, today.
[08:26] <seb128> mpt, ah ok, that explains why it moved I was wondering
[08:26] <Laney> flexiondotorg: I'll block it for a bit though, there's still some unity-greeter problems that I would like to fix beforehand
[08:26] <flexiondotorg> OK, no problem.
[08:26] <Laney> Just want to get a start on having things built
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: actually, I see no reason to not have daily ice cream on our bike trip along the Danube, so sorry, this task isn't available :-P
[08:27] <Laney> Also let everybody get their themes & stuff lined up
[08:27] <flexiondotorg> WHat we have now will prevent total breakage, but some bits still need work.
[08:27] <Laney> Got a while until the next milestone anyway
[08:27] <seb128> Laney, do you have bug #1548425 on your list? binding api changed it seems, it might be worth checking the rdepends before letting it in
[08:27] <flexiondotorg> That is for Ubuntu MATE Themes. But, I'm happy to move.
[08:27] <flexiondotorg> I also need to upload mate-themes for 3.20. They are 100% complete.
[08:28] <seb128> pitti, bah! fair enough, going to fork it and do is as well anyway :p
[08:28]  * pitti ^5s seb128
[08:28]  * seb128 ^5s pitti
[08:30] <Laney> seb128: no, thx
[08:30] <seb128> yw!
[08:47] <willcooke> Laney, thanks for the suggestions to the apt issue.
[08:51] <Laney> np!
[09:16] <willcooke> ahh, who remembers Summer 2016?
[09:18] <duflu> willcooke: Definitely me. Had two months of it in Jan-Feb. Had another month of it in USA. And will have another month starting Dec :)
[09:19] <popey> willcooke: I slept through it
[09:19] <duflu> Actually to be fair, summer in Oz is longer than 3 months
[09:24] <willcooke> :)
[09:31] <popey> willcooke: lets move to oz
[09:31] <willcooke> :D
[09:32] <qengho> It's full of Australians!
[09:32] <qengho> (Intentionally ambiguous tone on that.)
[10:16] <pitti> seb128, Laney: huh, the systemd beast landed in y! so the infra is in place now, awesome
[10:16] <Laney> scary!
[10:16] <pitti> I'll still wait with gnome-session until Monday though
[10:17] <pitti> first, because Friday and second because new systemd upstream version, let's keep the bugs apart :)
[10:17]  * pitti cleans up the ppa
[11:44] <seb128> pitti, wooot
[12:11] <Sweet5hark1> heya all.
[12:12] <Laney> attente: if there's a mir backend refresh needed for gtk 3.20.6, let's have it please
[12:12] <Laney> hey Sweet5hark1!
[12:12] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: so in the gnome-calculator app (which I happily copied), how are we planning to use gtk3?
[12:13] <Sweet5hark1> s/gtk3/gtk3 themes/
[12:13] <Sweet5hark1> Laney: heya!
[12:13] <Laney> what's up homie
[12:14] <Sweet5hark1> do we want to use the theme from the host env? or not? And if we do the former, how should that work?
[12:15] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark1, good afternoon to you!
[12:15] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, that's a tricky one
[12:16] <Sweet5hark1> Because someone tried a (now well-contained) libreoffice with gtk3 on Ubuntu Mate and surprisingly the confined LibreOffice doesnt find any Ambient-MATE theme in the container ...
[12:16] <Sweet5hark1> "surprisingly"
[12:16] <seb128> right
[12:16] <Laney> you need a theme corresponding to the gtk version
[12:16]  * Laney kills self once again
[12:16] <seb128> that's the issue
[12:16] <seb128> can't use the host theme
[12:17] <Sweet5hark1> ah so we bundle all gtk theme that ever were in the snap?
[12:17] <seb128> because you snap might bundle gtk3.20
[12:17] <seb128> but xenial is 3.18
[12:17] <seb128> and gtk theme are not compatibles between versions
[12:17] <seb128> the plan is rather to have the theme part of the platform snap (when we get those)
[12:18] <seb128> but it means if libreoffice uses the unity platform it gets ambiance even on other desktops
[12:18] <Laney> things can't plug in to the platform somehow?
[12:18] <seb128> things using the gnome platform would get adwaita I guess
[12:18] <seb128> Laney, define "platform"?
[12:19] <Laney> platform snap (when we get those)
[12:19] <seb128> I guess we were typing at the same time
[12:19] <seb128> did I already reply to that or is the question slighly different?
[12:19] <Laney> you say the theme will be fixed
[12:19] <Laney> don't see why it has to be like that
[12:20] <seb128> well they are part of the runtime
[12:20] <seb128> where would you ship the theme?
[12:20] <Laney> somewhere that the runtime's gtk will find it
[12:20] <seb128> or would you have an extra "desktop look" snap?
[12:20] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: k. I think, as there isnt an immediate solution, I ask him to file a bug, so we can discuss the details (and in the meantime its a known issue that we are working on) ...
[12:20] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1576300
[12:21] <Laney> same with things like gstreamer plugins, or fonts, or debug symbols
[12:21] <seb128> Laney, well issue is that the defined theme is an user gsetting
[12:21] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: ah, aweseme! thanks
[12:21] <seb128> no
[12:21] <seb128> fonts are compatible between desktops and os versions
[12:21] <seb128> which makes thing easier
[12:22] <Laney> they still plug in from snaps to the system
[12:22] <seb128> debug symbols have one variant
[12:22] <seb128> right
[12:22] <seb128> but you can't plug to the system for theme
[12:22] <Laney> why not
[12:22] <seb128> running gedit 3.20 with gtk 3.20 bundled on xenial would give you the 3.18 css
[12:22] <seb128> which doesn't work on gtk 3.20
[12:23] <Laney> i don't see why this is impossible to handle
[12:23] <seb128> unsure what you mean
[12:23] <Laney> if i want debug symbols for a thing in a platform snap you solve it
[12:23] <Laney> it's the same as the theme
[12:23] <seb128> no
[12:23] <Laney> yes
[12:23] <seb128> there is only 1 set of debug symbols for 1 snap
[12:23] <Laney> there is one place to put themes
[12:23] <seb128> it's easy to map those
[12:24] <seb128> but what ships the theme?
[12:24] <seb128> the dbg can be generated from the snap so it's easy
[12:24] <Laney> they are in the store
[12:24] <seb128> but whose' job is it to ship the theme?
[12:24] <Laney> a theme author
[12:24] <seb128> that would work
[12:24] <seb128> so it would be user connect to install/connect the right theme
[12:24] <seb128> ?
[12:25] <seb128> user job to*
[12:25] <Laney> or it comes preinstalled, whatever
[12:25] <seb128> well it can't really
[12:25] <Laney> "i am a theme for ubuntu 16.04, gnome 3.18"
[12:26] <Laney> then at install time it's installed in the right place for apps using this to get it
[12:26] <seb128> it can't
[12:26] <seb128> like I'm installing gedit 3.24 on my xenial under unity
[12:26] <seb128> it fetches ambiance 3.24 and connect it
[12:26] <seb128> all good
[12:26] <seb128> then you come and log into your fluxbox session on my machine
[12:26] <seb128> and start gedit
[12:27] <seb128> what happens?
[12:27] <seb128> or xubuntu session let's say
[12:27] <seb128> they have their own theme
[12:27] <Laney> what happens right now?
[12:27] <Laney> on debs
[12:27] <seb128> themes are part of the host
[12:27] <seb128> host/desktop
[12:27] <Laney> how do you get them?
[12:27] <seb128> they come with the desktop
[12:27] <Laney> because...
[12:27] <seb128> but they only support the gtk version of that serie
[12:27] <Laney> someone wrote the theme and shipped it
[12:27] <seb128> right
[12:28] <Laney> so....
[12:28] <seb128> shrug
[12:28] <seb128> unsure how to explain that better
[12:28] <seb128> currently we know that host system and apps are on the same gkt version for ever
[12:28] <seb128> it makes easy to ship the appropriate theme
[12:29] <seb128> in the new world we would need to ship all the existing themes for all the existing gtk versions
[12:29] <Laney> of course
[12:29] <Laney> but the themes can express which platforms they work on
[12:29] <seb128> yeah, but the issue is what I described before
[12:30] <Laney> that's actually what we generally do not have with deb themes
[12:30] <seb128> as an Unity user I install gedit 3.24 on xenial with ambiance 3.24
[12:30] <seb128> what would you expect to happen if somebody logs into a xubuntu session and start gedit on the same box
[12:30] <seb128> at which point is greybird 3.24 installed
[12:31] <Laney> snappy knows which themes you want and installs those for new platforms if they are available
[12:31] <seb128> expect it doesn't
[12:31] <seb128> themes are by user preferences
[12:31] <Laney> you asked what I expect to happen
[12:31] <seb128> and snappy is a system level service
[12:31] <seb128> and even if my scenario snappy is used once when I install gedit
[12:31] <Laney> is greybird already installed in any snap?
[12:32] <seb128> no
[12:32] <Laney> then how on earth can you solve this?
[12:32] <Laney> conjour out of thin air which themes you might want?
[12:32] <seb128> well we are designing the system
[12:32] <seb128> so for the purpose of the exerice the themes are snapped
[12:32] <seb128> but still I install gedit 3.24 from snappy on unity
[12:32] <seb128> it's smart and gives me ambiance 3.24
[12:33] <seb128> now I apt-get install xubuntu without touching snappy
[12:33] <Laney> only because that is the default theme
[12:33] <seb128> that's where it gets tricky
[12:33] <seb128> no
[12:33] <seb128> well you could say because it's the desktop I use
[12:33] <seb128> I'm on xubuntu xenial and install gedit 3.24
[12:33] <seb128> the software UI grabs greybird 3.24 for me and connect it
[12:33] <seb128> all good
[12:33] <seb128> until my sister logs into her unity session
[12:34] <seb128> and see she has gedit looking like xubuntu
[12:34] <seb128> or installing gedit 3.24 could pull in all the world existing gtk 3.24 themes
[12:34] <andyrock> seb128: i proposed (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769302) a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1564375
[12:34] <seb128> which is the only way I could see that to work
[12:35] <ogra_> lol
[12:35] <seb128> andyrock, great
[12:35] <andyrock> do you want me to build a debian patch for Y?
[12:35] <Laney> you're saying that all themes on the system have to be installed for all platforms
[12:35] <Laney> so do that
[12:35] <ogra_> here is your 3GB gedit download
[12:35] <seb128> yeah that's the issue
[12:35] <seb128> I don't see a clean/proper solution to that
[12:35] <seb128> I think we are going to loose platform visual integration
[12:35] <seb128> same as on windows
[12:35] <seb128> apps are going to come with their upstream look
[12:36] <seb128> which is going to be the same on any OS or desktop env
[12:36] <seb128> they are going to have 1 theme bundled and enforced
[12:36]  * ogra_ doesnt think we'll do, but i also think it is waaaay to early to bother about that beyod not having the visuals suck
[12:37] <seb128> the other "easy" option is to have each desktop providing its platform
[12:37] <andyrock> seb128: maybe you missed it... :) do you want me to build a debian patch for Y (and X)?
[12:37] <seb128> so gedit 3.24 would connect to the GNOME platform if you are on gnome-shell and that includes adwaita
[12:37] <Laney> it's hard because you constructed a mixed deb/snap world
[12:37] <Laney> which implies some kind of bridge
[12:37] <seb128> or to the UNity one unity that includes ambiance
[12:37] <ogra_> you need a theme interface (provided either by your classic desktop or by a theme snap) that does the right bind mounts to the right places and bends the right env vars
[12:38] <seb128> Laney, I didn't "construct" that world but I'm living in it, that's basically what we have on xenial today
[12:38] <seb128> I'm not saying we can't design a better solution in all snap world
[12:38] <Laney> as much as we constructed the problem :)
[12:39] <ogra_> seb128, i dont think it matters if it is all-snap or not
[12:39] <seb128> well connecting to the right theme is easy
[12:39] <seb128> ensuring the right theme is installing is less
[12:39] <ogra_> the snap shouldnt need to care who provides the slot it connects its plug to
[12:39] <Laney> it matters because you have to get it installed
[12:40] <ogra_> well, in an all-snap env you now have seed.yaml ...
[12:40] <seb128> one way would be to have each theme having its snap
[12:40] <ogra_> where you can list the default snaps installed in the image
[12:40] <ogra_> right
[12:41] <seb128> and having upstream supporting all versions of gtk
[12:41] <ogra_> or have bundles
[12:41] <seb128> and playing catchup
[12:41] <Laney> those things are requirements
[12:41] <Laney> you need snap for theme for platform version
[12:41] <Laney> then some way to keep the right ones installed
[12:42] <seb128> the issue is that they might not even exist
[12:42] <seb128> greybird 3.24 might not be available at the time you snap gedit 3.24
[12:42] <ogra_> thats what your seed yaml is for in all-snap ... and in classic your desktop can provide it dynamically
[12:42] <Laney> that's correct
[12:42] <Laney> the system would need to track it
[12:42] <seb128> that's solvable but not easily :-/
[12:43] <seb128> need more mechanism that for fonts or dbg
[12:43] <ogra_> well, your interface backend can care
[12:43] <seb128> the backend can only match things that are available
[12:43] <ogra_> your snap only sees the slot to plug into
[12:43] <ogra_> sure
[12:43] <seb128> like as said at the time gedit 3.24 comes out we might not have an ambiance 3.24 compatible css
[12:44] <ogra_> so you have i.e. a gtk-themes-green snap ... that ships a tool to select bright or dark or yellowish greens ...
[12:44] <ogra_> the app only connects to the slot
[12:44] <ogra_> your setup happens on the backend side of the interface
[12:45] <ogra_> which is either in your classic desktop or comes with the theme snap
[12:45] <ogra_> your app doesnt have to care
[12:45] <seb128> right
[12:45] <Laney> i should hope the apps don't care at all about the theme
[12:45] <seb128> we "just" need to snap each theme and figure a way to autoinstall the right snaps depending on the available environments on your mahcine
[12:46] <seb128> then to connect to the right slot
[12:46] <seb128> though are snaps having a mount/instance by user?
[12:47] <seb128> like if seb uses gedit on Unity and robert on xubuntu on the same machine and they need to connect to different slots?
[12:50] <ogra_> we have a way
[12:50] <ogra_> in the all-snap world there is the seed.yaml now ... thats in your image
[12:50] <ogra_> and lists what snaps have to be preinstalled
[12:50] <ogra_> in the non all-snap world we have a working mechanism already (debs)
[12:50] <Sweet5hark1> woha. I got a _lot_ of bang for the buck out of seb128 and Laney with that one innocent question.
[12:50] <seb128> lol
[12:50] <Laney> can of worms!
[12:51] <seb128> ogra_, the issue not that, the issue is that the snap/slot you want to connect to depends of the active session
[12:51]  * Laney hits a button
[12:51] <seb128> so 2 users logged in at the same time might need the same snap connected to different themes
[12:53] <ogra_> seb128, ah, not sure our design takes sessions into account yet ... but i could imagine we can add it and have a session-theme-interface that takes this into account
[12:53] <seb128> yeah
[12:53] <ogra_> thats actually a jamie question :)
[12:53] <seb128> in any case not going to work tomorrow
[12:53] <seb128> one better bundles all the themes he/she cares about today
[12:54] <ogra_> i doubt anyone expects this to work tomorrow :)
[12:54] <Laney> then you don't know me AT ALL
[12:54] <Laney> THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE
[12:54] <ogra_> what i personally expect today is to have my snaps not look like win95
[12:54] <Laney> pretty sure the raleigh theme is dead these days
[12:54] <ogra_> what i expect tomorrow is definitely more
[12:54] <Laney> so you get adwaita :)
[12:54] <Laney> which is actually nice
[12:55] <ogra_> but there is still so much changing that i dont thinnk we can nail it right now
[13:21]  * Laney quivers
[13:31] <attente> Laney: did you already upload? i think anpok still has some patches we could refresh with, but they're not upstream yet
[13:33] <Laney> attente: yes, but we can followup
[13:33] <Laney> get them committed ;-)
[13:34] <seb128> seems like some people are looking a gtk on mir, duflu filed some bugs today
[13:34] <attente> Laney: they probably will be committed, do you want to take them as-is anyways?
[13:34] <seb128> nice to see work ongoing there :-)
[13:34] <attente> it's these ones: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768138
[13:35] <Laney> attente: up to you
[13:35] <Laney> ideally I would prefer cherry-picks, but you da man
[13:36] <Laney> seems like you still have some outstanding questions
[13:36] <Laney> ruh roh
[13:36] <Laney> gtk2 fails its arch-only build
[13:36]  * Laney re-merges
[14:02] <Laney> the cpu usage graph in gnome-system-monitor is mesmerising in "stacked area chart" mode
[14:23] <seb128> hum, I wonder if that's the first Ubuntu cycle where I might not upgrade my main machine to the unstable serie
[14:27] <ochosi> seb128: hah, that's comforting to hear :)
[14:27] <seb128> :-)
[14:27] <seb128> hey ochosi! how are you?
[14:28] <ochosi> hey :) good good
[14:28] <ochosi> now that my theme has been ported to SASS and is ready for gtk3.20 i sleep much better
[14:28] <ochosi> it was a bit of work, but less than i anticipated
[14:28] <ochosi> i read your funny conversation on snaps and themes just now
[14:28] <ochosi> this will be fun
[14:29]  * ochosi should use the word "fun" less often...
[14:29] <ochosi> i agree with Laney though that applications shouldn't care about themes *at all*
[14:29] <ochosi> also, you can install one gtk theme and use it for multiple gtk3 versions
[14:29] <ochosi> at least that should work with gtk>=3.20
[14:30] <ochosi> so you keep a gtk-3.0 and a gtk-3.20 in the theme folder and the correct one gets loaded by the application
[14:30] <seb128> "fun" indeed :-)
[14:30] <ochosi> this could simplify your problem a bit
[14:30] <seb128> right
[14:31] <seb128> the issue is if you download a random theme from internet and install to ~/.theme or whatever it's going to work fine for your deb based env
[14:31] <seb128> but not for your snaps
[14:31] <seb128> but not a lot we can do that
[14:31] <ochosi> hm, why again?
[14:31] <seb128> that->there
[14:31] <ochosi> (sry if i didn't understand that part when reading the history)
[14:31] <ochosi> is that a permission issue?
[14:31] <seb128> no
[14:32] <seb128> but let's say I'm on xenial and I download winxplike for gtk 3.18 and install that in ~/.themes and make it my unity theme
[14:32] <seb128> then a few months later I install gedit 3.24 snap
[14:32] <seb128> how would gedit look like winxplike
[14:33] <seb128> the .themes is probably not going to be compatible with the bundled gtk from the snap
[14:33] <seb128> and there is no way the system can know how to download a gtk3.24 version of that theme for you
[14:35] <ochosi> well
[14:35] <ochosi> that's sort of what i intended to say above
[14:36] <ochosi> if you have a theme that works for gtk-3.18, gtk-3.20 etc it can ship all of that in the same tarball and you can have it installed in parallel
[14:36] <ochosi> so ofc if a theme doesnt support gtk3.24 then you're in a mess, but that's *always* the same
[14:36] <seb128> right
[14:37] <ochosi> i agree it's less easy to install gedit3.20 on xenial now
[14:37] <seb128> except that currently Ubuntu is a working set
[14:37] <seb128> right
[14:37] <ochosi> but that's the main difference
[14:37] <seb128> Ubuntu doesn't provide currently a way to install a version of apps which isn't compatible with your theme
[14:37] <seb128> so it's an issue we don't have
[14:37] <ochosi> yeah, but if you maintain your theme properly it will be backward compatible and work with older gtk version snaps as well
[14:37] <ochosi> you just have to always be in sync with adwaita
[14:37] <ochosi> THAT CAN'T BE HARD
[14:37] <ochosi> :D
[14:38] <seb128> :-)
[14:38] <seb128> until gtk4
[14:38] <seb128> or whatever :p
[14:39] <ochosi> :D
[14:39] <ochosi> exactly
[14:39] <ochosi> that's a problem of the snap concept itself
[14:39] <ochosi> a distro release is a matching set.
[14:40] <ochosi> a distro release with snaps is a rag rug.
[14:42] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I've added the affected MATE packages to LP: #1593048
[14:43] <seb128> right
[14:43] <flexiondotorg> I just uploaded mate-themes-3.20.10-0ubuntu1 to yakkety.
[14:43] <flexiondotorg> I'll prepare a new ubuntu-mate-artwork package on Monday/Tuesday next week.
[14:44] <flexiondotorg> And you backlog on themes and snaps.
[14:44] <flexiondotorg> Was the point of much discussion last week.
[15:04] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: common just write a dbus service that autotranslates gtk themes between versions, so that the snapped app can ask for whatever it needs</sarc>
[15:04] <seb128> :-)
[15:18] <willcooke> chrrrooooooooome
[15:18] <willcooke> where is my RAM
[15:19] <willcooke> 4 tabs open 2 GB RAM used.
[15:20] <flocculant> willcooke: get more RAM :p
[15:20]  * willcooke waits for s_eb128 to say something about using firefox
[15:20] <willcooke> flocculant, :)
[15:20] <willcooke> I've got 6GB, that should be plenty
[15:20] <seb128> right you are
[15:21] <flocculant> willcooke: and while you're there - do *you* know anything about the Turn Off Secure Boot installer option - or at least know who I could ask :)
[15:21]  * flocculant has never seen that and is being asked stuffs ...
[15:22] <willcooke> I don't, but this is the sort of thing davmor2 usually knows about ^
[15:22] <seb128> willcooke, I've firefox open with a bunch of tabs and it uses 300M
[15:22] <seb128> just saying
[15:22] <willcooke> heh
[15:22] <flocculant> willcooke: that was what I was thinking - but he's away :D
[15:22] <seb128> flocculant, what do you want to know?
[15:22] <seb128> cyphermox can probably help you
[15:23] <flocculant> aah yes - good call :)
[15:23] <flocculant> I've just been asked what it actually does - I'm kind of assuming it does what it says
[15:24] <seb128> I guess so
[15:24] <flocculant> thanks all anyway :)
[15:24] <seb128> yw
[15:24] <flocculant> :)
[15:25] <cyphermox> flocculant: that's largely it, it does what it says
[15:26] <flocculant> cyphermox: okey doke - thanks :)
[15:26] <cyphermox> disabling secure boot validation in shim -- which means that the shim signature (the MS signature, which gets checked by the BIOS directly) will still be verified, but nothing past that
[15:27] <cyphermox> in other words, that's something that only affects Linux if you dual-boot, and you're not touching the rest of the BIOS at all -- but it will affect any distro that uses shim
[15:29] <flocculant> cyphermox: thank you for some explanation - it's an installer option I've never seen
[15:29] <cyphermox> yes, it's new in xenial.
[15:29] <flocculant> I guessed as much :)
[15:30] <flocculant> cyphermox: I guess given I do *most* testing with vm's not something I would see
[15:30] <cyphermox> unless you used an EFI-enabled VM
[15:30] <cyphermox> urgh, speaking of which I need to fix my golden vm
[15:31] <flocculant> :)
[15:31] <flocculant> cyphermox: anyway - thanks for the explantion of that - which I will promptly forget :p
[15:31] <flocculant> weekend started early ;)
[15:32] <cyphermox> ah, nice :)
[15:32] <flocculant> :)
[15:40] <Laney> flocculant: neat
[15:41] <Laney> erm
[15:41] <Laney> fle
[15:41] <Laney> FLE TAB
[15:41] <Laney> FLEEHTOEHSATOAEHTOAHTOAEHTOAEHS
[15:42] <flocculant> Laney: you could try Wimpress instead - ochosi complained about nicks, just after infinity complained about nicks :D
[15:42]  * flocculant is still flocculant
[15:42] <flocculant> \o/
[15:43] <Laney> #neverchange
[15:43]  * Wimpress is flexiondotorg
[15:43] <flocculant> :)
[15:43] <Laney> YOU
[15:43] <Laney> CHANGE BACK
[15:43] <Wimpress> It is a group nick, so I can change back.
[15:43] <Wimpress> But flocculant and I have been getting some stick.
[15:43] <Laney> what's a group nick?
[15:44] <Wimpress> Freenode can have multiple nicks registered to one identity.
[15:44] <flocculant> Laney: you can has many nicks
[15:44]  * flocculant used to have a bunch
[15:44] <Laney> that's the inverse of how it sounds
[15:44] <flocculant> Laney could be Streety too
[15:44] <Wimpress> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
[15:44] <seb128> having multiple personalities? ;-)
[15:45] <flocculant> seb128: can be useful ...
[15:45] <Laney> if only my IRC client tab comlpeted on freenode identifier
[15:45] <flocculant> seb128: especially for Wimpress
[15:45] <flocculant> though infinity won't be able to find him now though
[15:46]  * ochosi is Wimpressed
[15:46] <flocculant> oh my
[15:46] <flocculant> new word \o/
[15:47] <Laney> there's still a wi<tab> collision, by the way :-)
[15:48] <Laney> two letters are not enough
[15:48] <Laney> just ask cjohnston
[15:50] <cyphermox> Laney: I guess now I could merge your style changes in ubiquity and upload?
[15:50] <Wimpress> ochosi, Sadly my teachers at school were all very pleased with themselves when they were "Wimpressed" in my school reports ;-)
[15:51] <Laney> cyphermox: did I version the dependency to 3.20?
[15:51] <Laney> yes
[15:51] <Laney> then I'm happy if you are
[15:51] <cyphermox> yes
[15:52] <Laney> looks like gtk2 -4 builds
[15:52]  * Laney debdiffs and uploads that
[15:52] <cyphermox> how far are we with the other packages?
[15:52] <Laney> [||--------------]
[15:52] <cyphermox> weeee
[15:53] <cyphermox> and everything needs to land together?
[15:53] <Laney> just some things
[15:53] <cyphermox> k
[15:53] <Laney> shit rain, brb, need to rescue clothes
[15:53] <jbicha> arewegtk320yet
[15:53] <cyphermox> meh
[15:54] <cyphermox> I just want to avoid ubiquity sitting in proposed for too long
[15:54] <seb128> did somebody test ubiquity with the new gtk?
[15:54] <seb128> or from backlog I guess Laney did :-)
[15:55] <Laney> indeed
[15:56] <Laney> cyphermox: won't be *too* long, hopefully
[15:58] <cyphermox> I implicitly trust Laney with css changes
[15:58] <Laney> don't
[15:58] <cyphermox> maybe that's my error :)
[15:58] <Laney> yes
[15:58] <cyphermox> it's not like it's likely to crash ubiquity though, it will just look like crap.
[15:59] <Laney> if nothing else, you should be happy with it because I don't want to have to revisit the problem
[15:59] <Laney> :)
[15:59] <Laney> it looked hilarious before
[15:59] <Laney> the progress bars went to their default size
[15:59] <flocculant> cyphermox: I will let you know for sure if it all looks completely bizarre for me :p
[16:00] <flocculant> I guess Laney might want to know as well
[16:00] <Laney> someone should just test the thing
[16:00] <Laney> and then fix it :-)
[16:01] <flocculant> Laney: I guess I'll just say it looks fine then :p
[16:01] <cyphermox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/16.10.6
[16:02] <Laney> youuuuu
[16:02] <Laney> ok, there's gtk2
[16:02] <Laney> theme time
[16:02] <Laney> don't suppose anyone wants to review that one?
[16:02]  * Laney giggles
[16:02] <cyphermox> what?
[16:14] <attente> is there a trick to pop up the grub 2 menu on the dell xps?
[16:16] <seb128> attente, have shift press after the bios and keep it this way until grub?
[16:16] <attente> seb128: tried that, but no luck
[16:16] <attente> just boots into my bad kernel build
[16:17] <Laney> turn it off while it's booting
[16:17] <Laney> then next time you get grub
[16:17] <Laney> the ghetto method
[16:17] <seb128> I was going to suggest that but then people say I'm using hacks :p
[16:18] <Laney> :D
[16:18] <Laney> i love the seb128 hacks
[16:18] <Laney> they get the job done
[16:18] <seb128> :-)
[16:19] <seb128> attente, you can try to grub-reboot <n>
[16:20] <Laney> also, custom kernel is *such* an attente thing
[16:20] <Laney> bet there was some bisecting involved
[16:20] <attente> lol. ok, some combination of space/esc seemed to do it
[16:20] <seb128> don't mock him, that's the path to greatness
[16:21] <Laney> i might bisect on monday
[16:21] <Laney> to find out what made unity-greeter break
[16:21] <seb128> see :-)
[16:21] <Laney> in this case you can't script it to work with git bisect run though
[16:21] <Laney> that is the ultimate
[16:22] <seb128> yeah, that's magic
[16:23] <seb128> I know p_itti got some systemd regressions figured out like that, script it and let it do its work over the w.e
[16:23] <seb128> come back a day later and have the commit
[16:23] <seb128> talaaa
[16:33] <seb128> k; enough snap debugging for this week
[16:33] <seb128> calling a week there
[16:33] <seb128> have a good w.e everyone!
[16:34] <Laney> night!
[16:59] <Laney> me too, time to go get rained on
[16:59] <Laney> bbbbbbbbbyyyyyyeeeee
[17:02] <willcooke_> ditto
[17:02] <willcooke_> night all
[17:37] <attente> need a new adwaita-icon-theme...
[17:40] <anpok> Laney: attente: will create a new version today.. have to drop one of the changes since there would be a regression with the upcoming 0.24 (unless I can still sneak in fixes into that release)
[17:43] <attente> i guess we also need to remove the 'adwaita-icon-theme (>= ${gnome:Version})' Depends on libgtk-3-common
[18:01] <jbicha> attente: I think that depends is ok
[18:02] <attente> jbicha: i'm concerned about the version, is someone going to package the 3.20 release of a-i-t?
[18:03] <jbicha> attente: yes, it's in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/gtk320 if you need it now
[18:05] <attente> jbicha: ah, ok. but i guess we need 3.20.6 at least. but good to know that it'll be there at some point
[18:06] <jbicha> no it doesn't have to be 3.20.6, 3.20 is fine
[18:07] <attente> oh, really? ok, thanks!


[01:03] <blahdeblah_> Just want to give a big shout-out to AceLan for sorting out lp:2002467 - made a big problem for me look like just another day at the office. :-)
[01:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-kernel- Launchpad bug 2002467 in linux-oem-5.17 (Ubuntu Jammy) "ThinkPad L14 Gen 3 blank laptop screen on bootup" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2002467
[01:08] <sarnold> - ring->use_doorbell, ring->doorbell_index, ...
[01:08] <sarnold> sheesh :)


[22:49] <quentusrex> the gigabit switch is right here, and it's connected properly.
[22:49] <Zeratul2k> @larsjaaa: Well, if it keeps disconnecting when I'm just 10 meters away, what can I ping?
[22:49] <Zeratul2k> @AJC_Z0: This is the only wireless card I have, the laptop is on dual-boot.
[22:49] <Zeratul2k> @wasutton3: I have only checked with this particular network :s
[22:49] <quentusrex> it's only connecting with 100mbit
[22:49] <cryptopsy> djanatyn: More important than getting ubuntu and all this technical mumbo-jumbo working is fixing you to learn how to use it.
[22:49] <wasutton3> Zeratul2k, try connecting to a different wireless network, if its all the wireless network its the driver, if not then something else
[22:49] <Zeratul2k> @McIvor: Native linux drivers. Ubuntu recognized it out-of-the-box and I didn't bother to mess with it, less I break something in the process...
[22:50] <cryptopsy> djanatyn: I'm sorry if that sounded overly friendly. I just can't help myself from looking out for my fellow man sometimes.
[22:50] <cryptopsy> djanatyn: But I'd appreciate it if you could help me decide between this Haagendas, or this icecream sandwidth.
[22:50] <cryptopsy> sandwitch.
[22:50] <wasutton3> quentusrex, did you use cat6? or just cat5?
[22:50] <cryptopsy> djanatyn: Its the vanilla kind. I don't like the strawberry kind it doesn't taste like an authentic strawberry.
[22:50] <Halitech> cryptopsy, Haagen das
[22:51] <cryptopsy> Halitech: Thank you. I was feeling quite liberal when I bought those.
[22:51] <guntbert> cryptopsy: if you don't want to help -- thats ok - but please don't rub it in, don't tease someone who has asked for help
[22:51] <Jimmio> Hey all. Anyone know of a way to make a virtual V4L device of my desktop? Or better yet, anyone know of software that does this but follows the mouse cursor around at a certain size? I have a 1920x1200 resolution and my friends don't... so that'd really help me.
[22:51] <cryptopsy> guntbert: Excuse me? I'm waiting for follow-ups to the situation. I'd also encourage you to try googling, practice makes perfect!
[22:51] <sebsebseb> !troll |  cryptopsy
[22:51] <djanatyn> I'm really sorry - I'm totally new to ubuntu, and it is definitely NOT gentoo.
[22:52] <sebsebseb> djanatyn: yeah it's easier than Gentoo, right?
[22:52] <cryptopsy> ubottu: I've helped at least 20 people in this past hour.
[22:52] <sebsebseb> !bot |  cryptopsy
[22:53] <cryptopsy> sebsebseb: You are aware that was for you, or should I point it out to you?
[22:53] <zanberdo> I've recently had to downgrade an application in ubuntu jaunty. I want to know how to tell apt-get/aptitude to *not* try to replace it with the upgraded version.
[22:53] <jpds> !pinning | zanberdo
[22:53] <Halitech> zanberdo, there should be an option in synaptic to pin the app so it doesn't get updated
[22:53] <zanberdo> jpds, thanks
[22:53] <djanatyn> I really don't care who helps, but could anyone help?
[22:53] <RRockon> I have a problem
[22:53] <sebsebseb> cryptopsy: doesn't matter how many  people you have helped, if you annoy the ops enough,  you will get kicked and then banned probably,  as a non op  I am warning you,   I have just been through stuff  you  said to  people
[22:54] <RRockon> I have a Dual Core laptop sitting here and noone is working on it. It's very painful to see all that processing power just sitting here not being used
[22:54] <cryptopsy> sebsebseb: Please refrain from warning me, I am quite familiar with the rules - I also don't have any interest in what you say.
[22:54] <RRockon> Anyone has a useless program I can give it to do? Calculating Pi? Anything?
[22:54] <wasutton3> djanatyn, i would love to help, but i cant do so without more information (i.e. other network performance)
[22:54] <Halitech> RRockon, ship it to me, I'll pay shipping :)
[22:54] <RRockon> Heh
[22:54] <quentusrex> wasutton3: nvm, fixed it...
[22:54] <cryptopsy> sebsebseb: Except its a linux question - those are always in my interests.
[22:55] <jpds> !guidelines | cryptopsy
[22:55] <wasutton3> RRockon: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/
[22:55] <hahahan> RRockon: Seti?
[22:55] <Halitech> RRockon, what about folding@home?
[22:55] <davf> is there a way to get synaptic to ignore a broken dependency. I had to install an older version of cups-pdf because the jaunty one is broken. The program works fine but I had to force it to ignore the cups version. Now I just want synaptic to ignore the broken dependency.
[22:55] <wasutton3> i am trying to run my cups server over my apache server (so i dont have as many open ports) does anyone know how to do this, i kinda have it working with proxypass and ProxyPassRevers
[22:55] <cryptopsy> jpds: /topic works too - I find it more conveniant than copy/pasting. What say you?
[22:56] <RRockon> I know Seti, what's folding@home?
[22:56] <cryptopsy> RRockon: Its like Rosetta@home.
[22:56] <Halitech> RRockon, same idea as seti but it folds genomes for medical research
[22:56] <wasutton3> RRockon it uses computing power to compute protein folds for medical research
[22:56] <cryptopsy> It doesn't fold genomes.
[22:57] <eross> which GUI should I code with, that comes with ubuntu and other distros by default?  wxwidets, gtk+, qt4+, .. ? I'm using c/c++
[22:57] <djanatyn> I don't even care if someone just tells me how to uninstall GRUB and xubuntu - could someone walk me through it? I just want to be able to boot again :(
[22:57] <cryptopsy> This would be impossible even for biological reasons.
[22:57] <RRockon> I'll check it out
[22:57] <cryptopsy> RRockon: They also have one called fold.it - its like  game that you play and help fold the protein sequences.
[22:57] <Halitech> cryptopsy, sorry, protiens, not sure why I was thinking genomes
[22:58] <RRockon> It has to be done without user intervention, I'm still working on another machine
[22:58] <cryptopsy> RRockon: Only maintenance.
[22:58] <Denta> hi i need help sound not working
[22:58] <Halitech> RRockon, http://folding.stanford.edu/ ... I think Ubuntu has a team
[22:58] <cryptopsy> Denta: We are unable to guess your issues.
[22:59] <cryptopsy> Halitech: Benefits are not given for being in a team.
[22:59] <Halitech> djanatyn, do you have a dual boot you need repaired?
[22:59] <leaf-sheep> !detail | Denta
[22:59] <leaf-sheep> !details | Denta
[22:59] <Denta> Ihave a problem with sound
[22:59] <Denta> I have a problem with sound
[23:00] <cryptopsy> Denta: It sounds like you've got many problems.
[23:00] <larsjaaa_> Denta: what do alsamixer tell you?
[23:00] <Halitech> cryptopsy, didn't say there was any benefit to being on a team, just mentioned that there was one
[23:00] <cryptopsy> Halitech: As have I.
[23:00] <Halitech> RRockon, more details here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FoldingAtHome/Install
[23:00] <Denta> i have Kmix
[23:00] <cryptopsy> RRockon: boinc@home is far superior.
[23:01] <cryptopsy> RRockon: You can choose from at least 50 projects. SETI runs on it.
[23:01] <dellminiuser> Running 9.04 Netbook Remix on a Dell Mini 10v; it keeps disconnecting from WiFi for no apparent reason and then won't reconnect without a restart.
[23:01] <cryptopsy> Denta: Please refer to the topic and guidelines of this IRC chat.
[23:01] <guntbert> djanatyn: did you enable the "other" SATA drive again?
[23:02] <Glowball> The volume control in my taskbar controls 'Surround' instead of 'Master' for some reason, how can I change it back?
[23:02] <cryptopsy> Glowball: alsamixer
[23:02] <sebsebseb> cryptopsy: be nice to people :)
[23:02] <Denta> sound driver supported  ALSA + OSS and ALSAOSS is the one used
[23:02] <cryptopsy> Denta: Try again.
[23:03] <jpds> !sound | Denta
[23:03] <leaf-sheep> |away > mechdaveZzz
[23:03] <leaf-sheep> |away > Zathara_OFF
[23:03] <n8tuser> dellminiuser-> i does not reconnect? using any wep or wpa2?
[23:03] <djanatyn> It worked at first, but now it gives error 25 again.
[23:04] <dellminiuser> WPA2
[23:04] <djanatyn> If I get onto ubuntu, can I uninstall GRUB?
[23:04] <cryptopsy> djanatyn: That error 25 is a feisty one!
[23:04] <causasui> Hi, I am connecting to the internet with a wireless NIC. Whenever I plug in an ethernet cable to connect to my closet fileserver, I lose internet connectivity. Can someone tell me how I can have both? Thanks
[23:04] <cryptopsy> causasui: I don't think its possible.
[23:04] <n8tuser> causasui-> you need to learn how to fiddle with your iptables and route table
[23:05] <causasui> Surely it must be possible, lol
[23:05] <guntbert> djanatyn: yes, I saw that, did you enable the other SATA drive again or is it still disabled? NO, don't uninstall GRUB
[23:05] <causasui> n8tuser: Can you point me in any direction where I could go about learning that?
[23:05] <netsurf3> hey i've kinda buggered up my xorg libdri for jaunty on my acer aspire one is there a good way of forcing it to reload back to stock packages?
[23:05] <cryptopsy> causasui: I think you need two devices for. You can use ifplugd to manage the two though.
[23:05] <mechdaveZzz> leaf-sheep, I no understand!!
[23:05] <n8tuser> causasui-> i dont have bookmark on a tutorial on that, but you get lucky googling for it
[23:05] <leaf-sheep> Lies.
[23:05] <causasui> cryptopsy: I'm not sure what you mean by two devices. I do have two NICs, if that's what you mean
[23:06] <Halitech> djanatyn, if you need to remove grub, you can use your windows install cd to go into the recovery and fix the mbr or you can use supergrub to manage the booting
[23:06] <djanatyn> Okay, I figured it out-whenever I go to the BIOS setup and disable/enable the drive, GRUB works. However, if I don't, it doesn't. Any ideas on how to fix this? I just got onto xubuntu - can anyone tell me how to uninstall/reinstall/fix GRUB?
[23:06] <n8tuser> causasui-> look into load balancing
[23:06] <cryptopsy> djanatyn: Or you can use lilo instead, maybe you'll get an error with a different number, which may be one you know how to fix.
[23:06] <shovon> I need help with special characters on ubuntu.
[23:06] <joe962> #nerdkits
[23:07] <jpds> causasui: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.loadshare.html
[23:07] <leaf-sheep> djanatyn: Did you read Grub page yet?
[23:07] <causasui> jpds: Thanks, bookmarked
[23:07] <SJr> How can I auto detect hardware?
[23:07] <leaf-sheep> !grub | djanatyn
[23:07] <cryptopsy> shovon: Like ... asian dialects? Or math formulae?
[23:07] <shovon> I need help getting special characters in ubuntu.
[23:07] <jpds> causasui: Consider reading bits of http://lartc.org/howto/ first.
[23:07] <cryptopsy> !patience|shovon
[23:07] <causasui> jpds thanks, will do
[23:08] <n8tuser> SJr hald does that for you, but normally you have to have a driver  loaded for such device prior
[23:08] <dellminiuser> No ideas on my wifi disconnecting issue? I've already tried searching around for help and found nothing.
[23:08] <Glowball> cryptopsy: Can't find it.. Not in the graphical interface, not in the man file...
[23:08] <shovon> Sorry, i wasn't paying attention.
[23:08] <Lrevo> hi all
[23:08] <shovon> OK, I need help with french characters.
[23:08] <SJr> n8tuser,  yeah I want something that loads all the modules, as I can't remember one of the prerequisites
[23:08] <x404x> j
[23:08] <cryptopsy> Glowball: Refresh my memory on the problem again?
[23:08] <Lrevo> I have a net limiter as: wondershaper
[23:09] <Glowball> The volume control in my taskbar controls 'Surround' instead of 'Master' for some reason, how can I change it back?
[23:09] <Glowball> (up arrow ftw)
[23:09] <n8tuser> dellminiuser-> try to set it for non auto-roaming.  so it sticks to one ssid
[23:09] <shovon> And I don't want to change my keyboard layout jut for french.
[23:09] <Lrevo> how can I set it to start at login automatically ?
[23:09] <dellminiuser> n8tuser - Can you point in the right direction for that?
[23:09] <n8tuser> Sjr well ubuntu has some defaults, but if your device is propietary or special, then you have to have it loaded via modprobe
[23:10] <n8tuser> dellminiuser-> lets try this, can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file ?
[23:10] <Lrevo> any idea?
[23:10] <SJr> n8tuser,  I can't figure out what module I need to load, I guessed a few weeks ago and got it, but now it doesn't seem to work
[23:11] <n8tuser> SJr-> what device is it that you're trying to get detected?
[23:11] <dellminiuser> pastebin? Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with that term. I can try to find that file, though.
[23:11] <cryptopsy> dellminiuser: use wgetpaste
[23:11] <SJr> My ExpressCard slot, I know the gigabit device needs the sky2 module but it isn't coming up, for some reason it looks like the express card isn't being loaded.
[23:11] <djanatyn> could someone walk me through uninstalling xubuntu and grub?
[23:11] <sebsebseb> djanatyn: why Grub as well?
[23:11] <cryptopsy> Glowball: I'd rather not scroll up. I'd rather just forget about it if you prefer.
[23:11] <djanatyn> I'll install it on a different computer.
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> djanatyn: download and verify the xubuntu iso, burn it slowly, install
[23:12] <djanatyn> So that I can boot Windows XP *normally*.
[23:12] <sebsebseb> djanatyn: oh you want to get rid of the whole install
[23:12] <sebsebseb> djanatyn: why?
[23:12] <djanatyn> Yeah.
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> djanatyn: remember to verify the cd once booted to. if any verifications fail,. Stop and restart the whole process
[23:12] <cryptopsy> djanatyn: Windows XP is a fantastic OS!
[23:12] <Glowball> Cryptopsy: you must've missed my previous sentence: I said '(up arrow ftw)' after I up-arrowed and repeated
[23:12] <n8tuser> SJr whats an MyExpressCard for?  try  sudo -c lshal   and see if its on the list
[23:12] <Glowball> Anyway
[23:12] <sebsebseb> cryptopsy: trolling?
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> cryptopsy: nice nick dude \m/
[23:12] <Glowball> Cryptopsy: The volume control in my taskbar controls 'Surround' instead of 'Master' for some reason, how can I change it back?
[23:12] <Lrevo> I want to start wondershaper at start up how can I do?
[23:12] <djanatyn> I want to install it on a different, less expensive computer :)
[23:13] <cryptopsy> ActionParsnip: Haha, yea!
[23:13] <dellminiuser> I don't know what wgetpaste is either.
[23:13]  * cryptopsy highfives ActionParsnip
[23:13] <miguelonnnn> hi please 1 question: cp *.exe will copy any exe files. How can i say all (*) except  virus.exe??¿? i mean , how to make * exceptions?
[23:13] <n8tuser> !pastebin | dellminiuser
[23:13] <djanatyn> So how do I completely remove the install?
[23:13] <sebsebseb> cryptopsy: ##windows  is the channal for Windows fan boys, and those wanting help with it
[23:13] <cryptopsy> dellminiuser: Try reading about it. Some say reading is an art  ...
[23:13] <edgarcm> Male or female?
[23:14] <SJr> n8tuser,  ExpressCard is the replacement for PCMCIA. I'm not sure what it is called, as it can hook up on PCI Express or USB.
[23:14] <sebsebseb> djanatyn:  that's easy, but why do you want to?
[23:14] <cryptopsy> Does anyone have any idea why sebsebseb is trying to diverge this conversation towards windows-ism ?
[23:14] <sebsebseb> djanatyn: What do you want to use XP for anyway?
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> !install djanatyn
[23:14] <n8tuser> SJr->  try  sudo -c lshal   and see if its on the list
[23:14] <Gnea> cryptopsy: better not to worry about it.
[23:14] <cryptopsy> sebsebseb: Quit mentioning windows, you might get warned for being off-topic.
[23:14] <SJr> Not sure what it is called
[23:14] <dellminiuser> Well the interfaces file only has the following:
[23:14] <dellminiuser> auto lo
[23:14] <dellminiuser> iface lo inet loopback
[23:14] <djanatyn> So that I can restore this computer back to normal, and put xubuntu on a different, less expensive computer.
[23:14] <sebsebseb> cryptopsy: heh
[23:15] <Gnea> cryptopsy: it's channel policy, we support Ubuntu here. simple as that.
[23:15] <cryptopsy> Gnea: That doesn't explain why he's so interested in windows.
[23:15] <Lrevo> :(
[23:15] <Gnea> cryptopsy: let's not do this again.
[23:15] <sebsebseb> cryptopsy: I am not, but you said XP was a great OS, so I was thinking maybe you should hang out in there more
[23:15] <Gnea> !guidelines > cryptopsy
[23:15] <miguelonnnn> please  i say it again hi please 1 question: cp *.exe will copy any exe files. How can i say all (*) except  virus.exe??¿? i mean , how to make * exceptions?
[23:15] <cryptopsy> sebsebseb: Please refrain from contacting me, second warning I'm giving to you.
[23:16] <sebsebseb> cryptopsy: warnings? are you an op?
[23:16] <Gnea> cryptopsy, sebsebseb: enough.
[23:16] <cryptopsy> sebsebseb: You can check yourself, or read the manpage for your IRC client.
[23:16] <jpds> Le timeout.
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> djanatyn: you can resize partitions to make a dualboot if you wish but make sure your backups are up to date before undertaking
[23:18] <dellminiuser> Can anybody tell me what the code in that file means?
[23:18] <cryptopsy> sebsebseb: Can you please stay on topic? I don't want you to pull me off topic again ...
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> dellminiuser: can you repaste please. i missed the ouput
[23:19] <dellminiuser> auto lo
[23:19] <dellminiuser> iface lo inet loopback
[23:19] <Glowball> So... The volume control in my taskbar controls 'Surround' instead of 'Master' for some reason, how can I change it back?
[23:19] <Lrevo> i want to run a program at boot how???
[23:19] <cryptopsy> Glowball: If you use alsa sound, alsamixer will work. If it doesn't work you might have to sudo it. If there are errors report back.
[23:20] <xanderdude> is there a good thorough guide for everything that has to do with partitions on ubuntu? like, the commands to use and stuff?
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> dellminiuser: that is the loopback device. it has the address <IP_ADDRESS> and is used so local net services can talk to each other
[23:20] <dellminiuser> Is that somehow causing my wifi to disconnect on its own?
[23:20] <Glowball> Cryptopsy: Alsamixer does work to change the volume, but I don't want to open it every time, I just want it in my taskbar
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> dellminiuser: no, it is essential for systems to work
[23:20] <cryptopsy> xanderdude: Any generic partitioning guide. I'm sure you can figure out how to find said guides.
[23:20] <Pericius> i installed .deb package but during the process, computer froze... now it complains it can't install because some files from it already exist
[23:20] <dellminiuser> So a dead end, I guess.
[23:20] <cryptopsy> Glowball: You asked me how to change it back.
[23:20] <Pericius> how to install it
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> Pericius: sudo dpkg --force-all -i <deb>
[23:21] <cryptopsy> Glowball: There's Master and PCM that you need to change.
[23:21] <SJr> n8tuser, I don't see it
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> dellminiuser: when the wifi drops, run: dmesg | tail     it may give clues
[23:21] <Pericius> ActionParsnip: tried already --force, that didn't work
[23:21] <Glowball> Cryptopsy: My question is: how can I set the volume control in my taskbar to 'Master' instead of 'Surround'?
[23:22] <cryptopsy> Glowball: Modify your toolbar.
[23:22] <dellminiuser> Just to be sure: including the pipe character?
[23:22] <cryptopsy> Glowball: Google for how to do that - its specific to each taskbar.
[23:22] <puppetmaster_> What is the program like ubuntu tweak on fedora ?
[23:22] <cryptopsy> puppetmaster_: #fedora is likely to know.
[23:23] <Glowball> Ah, I found it
[23:23] <Glowball> Strange I looked over that every time I searched for it
[23:23] <n8tuser> SJr -> not listed with lshal? anything plugged in or it is just an adapter? pwered on?
[23:23] <cryptopsy> Glowball: Excellent.
[23:23] <Glowball> Thanks anyway :)
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> puppetmaster_: ask in #fedora
[23:23] <puppetmaster_> thanks
[23:23] <puppetmaster_> sorry guys :)
[23:23] <puppetmaster_> #fedora
[23:24] <nicklas_> yo
[23:24] <cryptopsy> nicklas_: Sup, homie
[23:24] <n8tuser> dellminiuser -> are you using a network manager like tool? which one?
[23:24] <nicklas_> cryptopsy: i know you? :-)
[23:24] <dellminiuser> I'm just using the default 9.04 Netbook Remix setup, whatever that uses.
[23:25] <SJr> n8tuser,  yeah it's plugged in
[23:25] <cryptopsy> nicklas_: No, but I felt compassionate to reply to you in broken, english-like, terms which you are familiar with.
[23:25] <n8tuser> SJr it probably does not recognize it, so you have to hunt for the driver
[23:25] <marcoBED> follow my twitter dudes i need more people to follow me. i am NOT SPAMMING I am just starting my shit and need more heads
[23:25] <marcoBED> http://twitter.com/telavivmarco
[23:25] <marcoBED> http://twitter.com/telavivmarco
[23:25] <FloodBot2> marcoBED: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:25] <cryptopsy> marcoBED: Spamming and swearing.
[23:25] <dellminiuser> I'm on wired ethernet at the moment so I don't get disconnected while seeking help ;)
[23:25] <nicklas_> cryptopsy: :-P
[23:25] <n8tuser> !response | dellminiuser
[23:26] <wolf23> bruenig, wb
[23:26] <n8tuser> not that.. dellminiuser you need to prefix a nick of the person you are responding to, or else it gets missed
[23:26] <bruenig> who is this wolf23
[23:27] <smashfrog> list
[23:27] <dellminiuser> I guess I was responding to you, n8tuser, sorry.
[23:28] <guntbert> n8tuser: you wanted !prefix or !who :-)
[23:28] <hultas__> hej
[23:28] <smashfrog> anyone recommend a good site for irc commands?
[23:28] <sebsebseb> hultas__: hej svensk?  Hello Swedish?
[23:28] <guntbert> !irc | smashfrog
[23:28] <cryptopsy> smashfrog: Depends on your IRC client, ask in #irssi if you're not sure.
[23:29] <nicklas_> hultas__: hej
[23:29] <hultas__> Yep
[23:29] <smashfrog> ty
[23:29] <sebsebseb> !se |  hultas__
[23:30] <djanatyn> Thanks for all the help :P I'll go to another channel for help, or better yet, buy a new computer.
[23:31] <smashfrog> \list
[23:31] <sebsebseb> djanatyn: hold on
[23:32] <cryptopsy> djanatyn: Yes - make sure to pay for the tech-support options - its quite handy!
[23:32] <sebsebseb> djanatyn: can you repeate your issue, and ignore stupid comment such as the one  cryptopsy  just gave you
[23:32] <djanatyn> especially you, cryptopsy :(
[23:32] <miguelonnnn> please, i'll repeat it again if needed but somebody answer me :S
[23:32] <djanatyn> sure.
[23:32] <fear> hey everyone i got a big problem that i could use someones help with
[23:32] <cryptopsy> sebsebseb: Try scrolling up, it was just a couple lines above.
[23:33] <cryptopsy> fear: Ok - shoot.
[23:33] <sebsebseb> cryptopsy: yeah I did, but  coudn't just find it,  but if I search for your name I will
[23:33] <sebsebseb> cryptopsy: uh messaged wrong one by mistake ah!
[23:33] <sebsebseb> cryptopsy: wait no I didn't
[23:33] <cryptopsy> sebsebseb: 3rd warning. Now I'm going to /ignore you
[23:33] <sebsebseb> cryptopsy: well I kind of did
[23:34] <sebsebseb> cryptopsy: well you set that ignore up,   maybe I am on ignore now, so you won't see this
[23:35] <djanatyn> I just installed xubuntu, and rebooted. Everything ran fine, and I booted into XP to see if it was alright. It was, so I rebooted again, to get to xubuntu. Unfortunately, I recieved GRUB error 25 and couldn't boot. After some experimentation, I figured out that I could boot into the OS choice menu by enabling/disabling the 2nd SATA drive checker in my BIOS.
[23:35] <fear> hey i got a problem
[23:35] <miguelonnnn> what problem fear
[23:35] <wers> on xchat, can i do away with the network list and just autojoin networks on startup? I want to autojoin GIMPNet and freenode. how do i do that? :)
[23:36] <djanatyn> now, I'm trying to fix GRUB so that it boots correctly without having to swap the SATA checker.
[23:36] <miguelonnnn> yeah wers, there's an do not show this again checkbox on that list window
[23:36] <sebsebseb> djanatyn: ok
[23:37] <miguelonnnn> hi please 1 question: cp *.exe will copy any exe files. How can i say all (*) except file.exe??¿? i mean , how to make * exceptions?
[23:37] <Otacon22> Wich is the best way to blacklist a module?
[23:37] <fear> can i access password files through ubuntu?
[23:37] <un1c0rn2> * means all :S
[23:37] <jpds> Otacon22: Put it into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[23:37] <cryptopsy> djanatyn: In the end I ended up having the ice-cream sandwitch. Gotta watch those carbs, hehe!
[23:37] <zvonkorp>  i'm getting a NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED error when doing an smbclient test - the firewall isn't showing anything denied, hosts are configured and samba daemon is set up to allow incoming connections from the appropriate hosts - i'm running ubuntu 9.x
[23:38] <miguelonnnn> yeah, nano /etc/passwd
[23:38] <dellminiuser> Right, well, suffice it to say, silly issues like wifi disconnecting and then refusing to reconnect are why I won't be switching to linux anytime soon. Goodbye.
[23:38] <sebsebseb> djanatyn: your the one that wanted to  get rid of Xubuntu,   just delete the partition from the Live CD, and use the Windows  CD to go over the last  remaining bit of Grub.   and maybe you  can  Wine  the Windows apps you  want to run.    or virtual machine  Windows inside  Ubuntu/Xubuntu with enough RAM for them
[23:38] <unop> miguelonnnn, with bash.  !(*.exe)
[23:38] <Wicked> !ntfs
[23:38] <Wicked> !NTFS-3g
[23:38] <Otacon22> jpds, i just have /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[23:38] <miguelonnnn> zvonkorp i too get an nt error when connecting to samba server with smbclient, but everyting goes fine so i don't care
[23:39] <miguelonnnn> unop, thanks, how would be the syntax to make * but file.exe?
[23:39] <wers> miguelonnnn, but how about autojoining? :)
[23:39] <Bookman> I just created dvd files with devede and it created two folders, video_ts and audio_ts.  If I burn those to a dvd, will it be playable on a dvd player?
[23:39] <zvonkorp> miguelonnnn: i'm not able to view any other computers in the workgroup though - my error may be relevant to that yes?
[23:39] <miguelonnnn> tap edit button on a selected server you want to autojoin, and check the autojoin
[23:39] <unop> miguelonnnn, you mean "everything else except file.exe", right?
[23:40] <unop> miguelonnnn,  !(file.exe)
[23:40] <fear> sorry cryptopsy
[23:40] <fear> did you get anything i said before?
[23:40] <miguelonnnn> maybe zvonkorp , i don't have access to other computers so i can't list em
[23:40] <miguelonnnn> yeah unop
[23:40] <cmp> hello, i need some help
[23:40] <sebsebseb> !ask | cmp
[23:41] <miguelonnnn> so it would be cp * !(file.exe)?
[23:41] <cryptopsy> fear: No, I completely disregarded it.
[23:41] <jpds> Otacon22: Then, there.
[23:41] <fear>  ok.... i was just messing around on my windows 2000 computer and i accidentaly changed a password file.
[23:41] <fear> i have ubuntu
[23:41] <cryptopsy> fear: I did so because I wanted everyone to see your problem - so they can also contribute to the solution.
[23:41] <unop> miguelonnnn,  well, no.   cp !(file.exe)  /path/to/destination
[23:41] <fear> i heard there was a way to access password files
[23:42] <unop> miguelonnnn,  you can test this out with echo.    echo cp !(file.exe)  /path/to/destination
[23:42] <cryptopsy> fear: Need more info. There are many password files.
[23:42] <fear> how do i get to them through ubuntu
[23:42] <Otacon22> jpds, i've already done it, but it don't work... (i'm trying to blacklist the module lp). At reboot i have to do modprobe -r lp again ...
[23:42] <cmp> sebsebseb, i wanted to configure my trancparancy on uabuntu - and i guess i did it for any - of  ( 0 ) value   - so i dont see any of my menus  .. i want to know how to restore it and re configure it again ?
[23:42] <miguelonnnn> whatt? but what would cp !(file.exe) path/ do?
[23:42] <miguelonnnn> i want make exceptions to * wildcard
[23:42] <unop> miguelonnnn,  copy all files except file.exe to path/
[23:42] <cryptopsy> fear: No one is going to advise you how to crack a windows 2000 machine with Ubuntu.
[23:42] <sebsebseb> !panels |  cmp
[23:43] <fear> is there anyway i can prove to you it is my machine and I am locked out...
[23:43] <fear> cause my dad is going to kill me
[23:43] <miguelonnnn> hmm but where's the asterisk at cp !(file.exe)?
[23:43] <cmp> ubottu, i dont see any thing to type in -
[23:43] <bruce89> it's actually gconftool-2
[23:43] <Bookman> fear: check with microsoft
[23:43] <unop> miguelonnnn,  that's what !(pattern) does .. see the extglob section in the bash manpage
[23:43] <sebsebseb> !bot |  cmp
[23:43] <miguelonnnn> ahh great! thanks unop
[23:44] <sebsebseb> cmp: yeah you need the terminal up,  of course the menu  is the way,  but  there's also a way to get it on the keyboard which is uhmm
[23:44] <cryptopsy> fear: Usually this involves resetting the password, granted you have admin privilege.
[23:44] <bruce89> alt F2
[23:44] <sebsebseb> bruce89: heh you answer me in here :D
[23:44] <cryptopsy> fear: I think you should deal with your problem head-on, and tell your father what you've done. Maybe he knows a way.
[23:44] <fear> thats the thing i cant log in.....the computer was set up to automatically log in
[23:44] <bruce89> sebsebseb: that's not right anyway
[23:45] <fear> yea maybe.......im going to still try for other options
[23:45] <sebsebseb> bruce89: well it was cmp  I was trying to help,  see above for the issue
[23:45] <keith> How can I give an autostart application a delay when I sign in?
[23:45] <bruce89> I don't know what it is, but Alt+F2 then typing the command would work (I think"
[23:45] <cmp> sebsebseb, is there any way could help me with it ?
[23:46] <unop> keith,  change the autostart command to.    sleep 10 && command
[23:46] <sebsebseb> cmp: is this correct, none of your Gnome menus show anymore?
[23:46] <sebsebseb> cmp: the panels aren't there anymore?
[23:46] <Gd515> what do you guys think of Turbo IRC  i had Xchat but im starting to like this one
[23:46] <cmp> sebsebseb, yes
[23:46] <keith> unop, I tried that. Seemed to make it so nothing autostarted
[23:47] <sebsebseb> cmp: ok you need to get the terminal the other way, bruce89  help with that :)    and then  run that command and it should work
[23:47] <unop> keith, hmm, not sure then -- I don't use gnome so I couldn't help troubleshoot here
[23:47] <bruce89> cmp: Alt+F2, then type the above command in the box thing
[23:48] <keith> unop, what do you use?
[23:48] <unop> keith, I can suggest making a script that does all this for you -- and then all you have to do is call the script
[23:48] <unop> keith, I use fluxbox
[23:48] <cmp> bruce89, what command?
[23:48] <sebsebseb> !panels |  cmp
[23:48] <keith> unop, also tried a script... but I put it in my autorun directory as well...
[23:48] <bruce89> cmp: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
[23:49] <sebsebseb> bruce89: no -2
[23:49] <unop> keith, and what happens when you use a script?
[23:49] <bruce89> no, there's a -2
[23:49] <keith> unop, it did the same thing
[23:49] <sebsebseb> bruce89: not in what the bot gave
[23:49] <bruce89> it's wrong
[23:49] <unop> keith, and do you know if the script was called at all ?
[23:49] <unop> sebastien, bruce89 - either way works
[23:50] <sebsebseb> bruce89: if you say so, but   I  have used what the bot gave before to reset the panels without problems
[23:50] <keith> unop, no... i suppose I should put an output line in there so I can see
[23:50] <bruce89> unop: maybe not an all distros clearly
[23:50] <unop> keith, well, I would suggest creating a temp file or something -- because you won't see any output ..
[23:50] <keith> unop, i meant outputting to a file. :)
[23:51] <tyler_d> I am trying to run users-admin - however it states that my user doesn't have privilages - and when I run it via gksu users-admin it will not allow me to edit anything?
[23:51] <itsme> OUAAAAA LA VACHE o.o ... c'est quo ice chan de débile avec 1402 user
[23:51] <sebsebseb> !fr |  itsme
[23:51] <SJr> n8tuser, rebooting fixed it
[23:51] <unop> bruce89, on my system -- gconftool is basically a symlink to gconftool-2 (via alternatives)
[23:51] <bruce89> unop: ah, that explains it
[23:52] <unop> $ readlink -f $(which gconftool)
[23:52] <n8tuser> SJr -> cool
[23:52] <unop> /usr/bin/gconftool-2
[23:52] <teehee> how come i cant watch embedded flash videos on firefox except for youtube
[23:53] <teehee> cant play games either
[23:53] <xiong> nautilus window is not always current -- devs must have noticed this bug because they provided a 'reload' button -- most applications that write files, the changes show up right away -- but my perl script requires i hit reload, so does gimp -- why?
[23:54] <itsme> !fr teehee
[23:54] <itsme> hmm?
[23:54] <itsme> how it's work ?
[23:54] <unop> !fr | itsme
[23:54] <itsme> !fr |itsme
[23:55] <teehee> i've installed the plug in
[23:55] <teehee> how do u install a .tar.bz2 file
[23:55] <sebsebseb> !tar |  teehee
[23:55] <unop> !source
[23:55] <sebsebseb> bruce89: I know you can help more properly with the above issue
[23:55] <mneptok> teehee: is this Flash?
[23:56] <mneptok> teehee: did you install the plugin from the repos?
[23:56] <teehee> yeah
[23:56] <bruce89> sebastien: I did sort of
[23:56] <mneptok> teehee: with what command?
[23:56] <bruce89> sebsebseb: that is
[23:56] <teehee> i dont remember found it somehwere do u guys have one maybe i typed it wrong
[23:56] <sebsebseb> bruce89: yeah I meant for installing a  tar.bz2, but they got a Flash issue hmm
[23:57] <sebsebseb> teehee: did you try flashplugin-installer ?
[23:57] <sebsebseb> teehee: it downloads and installs Flash for you from Adobe
[23:57] <burf> hey guys - is there a way to change the icons on desktop folders, i can only seem to change the icon used for all folders?
[23:57] <teehee> it says newest version already installed
[23:58] <teehee> why does youtube only work
[23:58] <bruce89> installing the flash player from a tarball is asking for trouble
[23:59] <sebsebseb> bruce89: surely that depends?  ,but useually to get it from the repo
[23:59] <fsufitch> hey, question: how can i start a program with a command so that it runs independent of the program that launched it? (daemon-like)
[23:59] <bruce89> mind you, I'd say that installing Flash by any means is asking for it
[23:59] <sebsebseb> bruce89: useually better above
[23:59] <sebsebseb> bruce89: heh
[23:59] <aprilhare> i have multiple installs of firefox (3.0.x and 3.5.x for instance) - how do i merge the bookmarks or recover when i delete a particular version of firefox?
[23:59] <sebsebseb> yeah  Flash is bad really since  it's closed source nature
[23:59] <burf> can it be done in ubuntu?
[23:59] <bruce89> well, installing anything from "source" is a bit dodgy at the best of times


[00:06] <chris4585> playing with my tv as a second monitor
[00:06] <chris4585> doesn't work too well
[00:07] <chris4585> bought a 15" long hdmi cable and it works well I think I may move my computer or something
[02:11] <wrst> cool chris4585
[20:53] <jfenn2199> morning all
[20:56] <xTEMPLARx> morning sir
[20:56] <jfenn2199> how've things been xTEMPLARx
[21:09] <xTEMPLARx> slow but busy
[21:09] <xTEMPLARx> how's life?
[21:13] <jfenn2199> life
[21:13] <jfenn2199> *life's pretty well
[21:13] <wrst> hello jfenn2199, xTEMPLARx
[21:13] <xTEMPLARx> i was about to say... lol for a sec there I thought you were insanely jaded
[21:13] <xTEMPLARx> heya wrst
[21:13] <jfenn2199> whats going on wrst
[21:13] <xTEMPLARx> I fixed my box at home, btw, wrst
[21:14] <jfenn2199> yeah I got really bummed out but that's all healed
[21:14] <xTEMPLARx> jfenn2199: good :D
[21:29] <wrst> not a lot for me jfenn2199, you?
[21:29] <wrst> and xTEMPLARx how did you fix it?
[21:29] <jfenn2199> just taking it easy right now
[21:31]  * wrst hopes xTEMPLARx read the documentation better since it was obviously his fault :)
[21:32] <xTEMPLARx> I installed gnome-buntu 12.10
[21:32] <xTEMPLARx> ate a sandwich and soup, and by the time it was done I could get into both that and my win7 partition again
[21:32] <xTEMPLARx> easy as pie
[21:32] <xTEMPLARx> XD
[21:33] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: well you obviously aren't as good as i thought you were :P
[21:33]  * xTEMPLARx is not as patient as you thought he was.
[21:34] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: patience is part of it but i think its tenacity more than that
[21:34] <wrst> but once you go arch you will never go back
[21:36] <xTEMPLARx> well, I set myself up for failure by not setting aside enough time to actually patiently read through the steps, I suppose
[21:36] <xTEMPLARx> I needed/wanted my machine back up and useful, and it wasn't happening as quickly as I wanted it to
[21:36] <xTEMPLARx> instant gratification or ELSE
[21:36] <wrst> yes i have gotten down to i can do it pretty quick as i mess with arch in a vm sometimes to check out changes coming
[21:37] <xTEMPLARx> i have an arch vm on here, but I haven't had much free time here at work the last few work days
[21:37] <wrst> they should give you more goof off time
[21:38] <xTEMPLARx> i know!
[21:38] <xTEMPLARx> or call it research, as they keep hinting at the future possibility of a linux version of our primary product
[21:40] <wrst> there you go!
[23:31] <wrst> hello chris4585
[23:34] <chris4585> hey wrst


[06:52] <lotuspsychje> good sunday morning
[09:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:38] <saladin442> hello
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> saladin442: hi
[11:41] <saladin442>  lotuspsychje: do you use android emulators on linux?
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> saladin442: no sorry, never used it
[11:42] <saladin442>  lotuspsychje: how about command-line video editer?
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> !info openshot | saladin442
[11:45] <saladin442> wow! is it command-line supported? cause i am blind, and cannot use the graphical user interface to edit video, maybe using the command line will work, since i just have to maybe set the time (from xx minutes and xx seconds to xx minutes and xx seconds) and then do the cutting
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Good Day folks
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: hi mate
[11:49] <saladin442> hi folks
[11:49] <saladin442> good day
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje
[11:49] <BluesKaj> hi saladin442
[11:50] <saladin442> BluesKaj: where do you come from? and am i allowed to ask this question? lol
[11:50] <BluesKaj> saladin442, ask away
[11:53] <BluesKaj> saladin442, Canada here, and you?
[11:55] <saladin442> anyone know how to make pidgin display it's chat in a seperate window instead of in tabbs?
[11:56] <saladin442> i mean every  chats are in seperate windwo
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> saladin442: ubuntu support questions are best to ask in #ubuntu
[11:57] <saladin442> o ok.
[11:58] <BluesKaj> oops sorry saladin442 , I gave you the wrong impression
[11:58] <saladin442> nononono, it's true
[11:58] <saladin442> this is not for support, this is fun!
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> yep ubuntu discussions here
[11:59] <BluesKaj> never used pidgin , so I wouldn't know anyway
[12:01] <saladin442> wait..
[12:06] <saladin442> i am back
[12:06] <saladin442> it is working!
[12:06] <saladin442> pidgin
[12:06] <saladin442> btw, do you like command-line or graphical user interface?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> depends, I use muon mostly as a reference for package info, otherwise for most install removal etc I use the cli
[12:11] <saladin442> do you use fbcmd?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> fb?
[12:14] <saladin442> yes. facebook command-line
[12:15] <BluesKaj> I barely use facebook
[12:16] <BluesKaj> only because my kids are on it, so we communicate with it sometimes
[12:16] <saladin442> twitter?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> not me
[12:17] <saladin442> i see...
[12:17] <saladin442> are you windows user then?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> very seldom
[12:20] <saladin442> that's good!
[12:21] <saladin442> do you know any software that emulates piano on linux?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> my wife uses a windows pc
[12:22] <saladin442> why don't recommend her to use linux?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> no, sorry ...I don't use a pc to create sounds , I just listen to them
[12:24] <BluesKaj> she's a "windows person" and prefers familiarity
[12:25] <saladin442> yeah. no prob. so you started with linux in this computer world?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> nope, msdos, then 3.1, 4.1, 95, 98,xp ...then linux ...how about you?
[12:29] <saladin442> started with XP, then 2010 used win7, and then 8, 8.1 and then linux on 2014.
[12:29] <saladin442> how was msdos? everything on command line?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> mostly it was used mostly making reports from testing with instruments
[12:33] <saladin442> since what version of windows people can use internet?
[12:37] <BluesKaj> I think windows 95
[12:39] <BluesKaj>  generally, there were applications for internet connection in 4.1 iirc , but not for us ..we didn't get email until w95 where I worked
[12:40] <saladin442> i see. you know, i was born a year after win95 was released.
[12:40] <saladin442> haha
[12:41] <saladin442> so i din't know about that info.
[12:43] <BluesKaj> I didn't have personal computer at home until 1999, when finally became affordable
[12:46] <BluesKaj> we had no internet in our community until the early 90s
[16:34]  * ObrienDave waves from Colorado, USA
[16:39] <BluesKaj> Hi ObrienDave, greetings from North East Ontario, Canada
[16:40] <ObrienDave> are we having fun yet? ;P
[16:41] <BluesKaj> dunno , are we ? :-)
[16:43] <ObrienDave> maybe, when this guy understands throughput LOL
[16:44]  * BluesKaj is recovering from a garage party/gig I attended last night
[16:45] <ObrienDave> ooooooo been there, done that :)
[16:49] <BluesKaj> was a fun evening
[16:56] <daftykins> :D
[17:05] <ObrienDave> if the quality of the help questions keeps going downhill, i just might get drunk today LOL
[17:06]  * daftykins sharpens a few penguins for ObrienDave
[17:06] <ObrienDave> ;P
[17:09] <ObrienDave> i'm glad ikonia jumped in on this one. JUST a bit out of my league ;P
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> ObrienDave: evening mate :p
[17:16]  * ObrienDave waves at lotuspsychje
[17:17] <ObrienDave> how goes the battle?
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> fine fine and you :p
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> lazy sunday here
[17:18] <ObrienDave> yup, same same. laundry day ;P
[17:20] <ObrienDave> my step-son's wife has a bad habit of leaving wash in the washer/dryer all bloomin' week. drives me crazy. (short putt?) ;P
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> i like order in the house also
[17:22] <ObrienDave> i'm not big on order but sheesh
[17:24] <ObrienDave> i'm not what you would consider a neat-freak. clean enough to be healthy, dirty enough to be happy ;P
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> well dirty clothes spreaded around the house, is a bridge too far for sure
[17:26] <ObrienDave> only in my room, my furniture is still in Oregon. my wife will be here in 2 weeks or so
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> you guys moving?
[17:27] <ObrienDave> yea, i've been in CO for 6 weeks or so. got new job \o/
[17:29] <ObrienDave> great job actually. similar to a shop i worked for for 20 years. loving it
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> nice!
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> what kind of business
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> im gonna create an ubuntu store myself in my country soon: laptops,desktop,phones,tablets all ubuntu
[17:31] <ObrienDave> i'm a machinist by trade. i do CNC programming and SolidWorks modeling. prototype aerospace stuff
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> something like system76, but then only with ssd's inside
[17:31] <ObrienDave> cool
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> wow looks heavy
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> im more the hardware/security guy :p
[17:31] <ObrienDave> yes, i do rocket parts LOL ;P
[17:34] <ObrienDave> i've been tinkering with computers since '71 (FORTRAN class) always wanted to do IT/Security
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> well ive been underground on irc in the past :p
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> ssst
[17:35] <ObrienDave> mums the word ;P
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> a lot of botnets out there exploiting the world
[17:36] <ObrienDave> oh i'm sure. mostly taking advantage of dumb people
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> ObrienDave: what was your first ever computer?
[17:36] <ObrienDave> my 1st was a vic-20
[17:37] <ObrienDave> then c-64
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> mine was like a super2000 electronic box to connect with wires to make programs :p
[17:37] <ObrienDave> and i still have my amiga 1000 from '85
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> after that atari and c64 yeah :p
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> niceee
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> we played a lot on the amiga 500 back in the days
[17:38] <ObrienDave> still works. lost the monitor in a divorce. grrrrr
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> and press play on tape rambo on the c64 lol
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> or platoon
[17:39] <ObrienDave> LOL yup, i remember those :)
[17:39] <ObrienDave> afk brb
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> kk laterz
[17:41] <ObrienDave> in '84 i had the largest c-64 bbs in long beach, ca. 2MB online LOL
[17:41] <ObrienDave> i still have the drives and the BusCard II
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> that red cardrige ?
[17:43] <ObrienDave> naw, it is an IEEE converter for the 2 floppy drives. 1.2 MB each
[17:44] <ObrienDave> 5-1/4" floppy drives
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> ah right those
[17:46] <ObrienDave> the drives used both sides of the disk. no punching the extra hole to make flippy disks ;P
[17:46] <ObrienDave> THAT'S how old i am LOL
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> wich year are you from
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> 77 here
[17:47] <ObrienDave> i was 20 in 77 ;P
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> gtg mate movietimez
[17:48] <ObrienDave> l8r bud
[20:15] <histo> Damn cable company.
[20:15] <histo> Down again
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> histo: wich company is that
[20:19] <ObrienDave> not a nice one ;P
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:20] <histo> zito media
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> never heard of it
[20:20] <histo> Every two days something on their end causes my modem to just go into this reboot cycle.
[20:20] <histo> lotuspsychje: it's a rural cable co
[20:20] <histo> They only service out in the boon docks
[20:21] <lotuspsychje> i get dns trouble like that too sometimes
[20:21] <lotuspsychje> from my isp
[20:22] <histo> It's just a pain to deal with this sort of intermittent issue. Now a tech is going to come out this week and think he fixed it but a few days later boom gone again.
[20:22] <lotuspsychje> disconnecting me once in a while
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> always frustrating, you have to keep paying and still have net issues
[20:23] <ObrienDave> i had the same problem once, turned out it was a faulty switch at the local switch box down the road
[20:24] <ObrienDave> they gave me a new DSL modem twice before finding it
[20:24] <lotuspsychje> networking is really a pain job
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> complex situations can arise
[20:29] <ObrienDave> oh boy, i need to stay out of #u for now ;P
[20:29] <lotuspsychje> who's bad news :p
[20:29] <ObrienDave> pcypher
[20:30] <lotuspsychje> he's in good hands of k1l :p
[20:30] <ObrienDave> this is true
[20:33] <ObrienDave> *bad fingers* *must behave* ;P
[20:35] <ObrienDave> *slaps own wrists* ;P
[20:35] <daftykins> one of our special customers huh? :>
[20:36] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: evening mate
[20:36] <ObrienDave> naw, just trying to keep the alcohol from getting me kicked from #u LOL
[20:42] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: hallo sir o/
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> everything okay overseas :p
[20:45] <daftykins> sure is! just watching the end of a baseball game
[20:46] <lotuspsychje> have fun
[20:48] <daftykins> ah there we go, over now :>
[20:54] <ObrienDave> omg, someone is using PPA graphics drivers and wants to know why his card in on the fritz
[20:55] <daftykins> sounds like a job for daftykins
[20:55] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:56] <ObrienDave> daftykins to the RESCUE! ;P
[20:56] <lotuspsychje> haha
[20:56] <daftykins> :D
[20:56] <lotuspsychje> never fear
[20:56] <daftykins> who's the victim?
[20:56] <ObrienDave> Gallomimia
[21:04] <lotuspsychje> nitenite
[21:04] <daftykins> damn wasn't even a graphics issue
[21:19] <ObrienDave> i can see the help questions in #u are going to require more booze ;P
[21:20] <daftykins> i might have to part again
[21:21] <histo> lol
[21:22] <histo> apparently google translate didn't work well there
[21:24] <ObrienDave> LOL moar booze then ;P
[21:30] <ObrienDave> rut roh, did he just say daftykins is wrong??? the gods weep ;P
[21:31] <daftykins> only from not understanding what i said
[21:32] <ObrienDave> that figures. danged google translate ;P
[21:33] <daftykins> XD
[21:34] <daftykins> this gh0st guy is an absolute loon
[21:34] <daftykins> you can always spot the Linux newbies, they're always trying to setup FTP for some reason XD
[21:35] <ObrienDave> and he's trying to digest the help from 5 different people. that's always difficult
[21:38] <daftykins> yeah, even volunteers mess up big time sometimes
[21:38] <daftykins> often have to shout at them to get off your toes so there's no 'too many cooks' situation
[21:42] <ObrienDave> oh yea, seen that many times. i back off when someone who obviously knows more than i enters the fracas ;P


[12:04] <funman> hello
[12:04] <funman> i have a suggestion to make to rosetta developpers
[12:05] <funman> i'm not sure if this channel is the right place to do so
[12:05] <mdke> funman: yeah but not on a weekend, filing a bug is better
[12:08] <funman> i'd rather wait two days than filing a bug
[12:09] <funman> hmm
[12:09] <funman> maybe i could report it as a wish
[05:54] <jdong|coreduo> can I request removal of two mistaken products?
[05:55] <jdong|coreduo> automatix5.8.4 and automatix6.0
[05:55] <jdong|coreduo> the product 'automatix' was registered correctly.
[05:55] <jdong|coreduo> I believe 5.8 also has a bzr branch under it... if that can be migrated to automatix that'd be great
[09:54] <BjornT> lifeless: ping
[10:25] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  fix a crash in send-bugnotifications.py, caused by a person having no email addresses. (r3580: Bjorn Tillenius)
[11:17] <lifeless> BjornT: pong
[11:19] <BjornT> hi lifeless. could you please cherry pick r3580? (i sent a mail about it to the list)
[11:25] <lifeless> BjornT: not right this minute, I just walked in the door
[11:26] <lifeless> need to spend some time with Lynne, have dinner and the like
[11:26] <lifeless> I can see that its urgentish though
[11:27] <lifeless> also, stub left a couple of dud revisions which aren't rolled out in production, so I'll have to fiddle to do this cleanly.
[11:28] <BjornT> lifeless: ok, i understand.
[11:37] <mp1> lifeless: ping
[11:47] <mpt__> ... or spiv or jamesh
[02:14] <launchpad> hello
[04:24] <mdke> jordi: I'm downloading some translations for some docs, there are some translations in de_DE and es_ES (as well as de and es), that's quite annoying... is anything being done about that?
[04:26] <mdke> jordi: I'm just deleting those translations for now, and giving priority to "es" and "de"
[05:45] <jordi> mdke: grr, how did that happen?
[05:45] <jordi> mdke: carlos needs to know
[05:46] <mdke> jordi: i don't know, but i often see de_DE, it_IT, fr_FR in rosetta, it's always been like that
[05:53] <drim> hi
[07:27] <jordi> mdke: that's true for old t emplates. Shouldn't be for newer stuff
[07:28] <mdke> jordi: you want me to file a bug?
[07:29] <jordi> mdke: yeah, that way carlos will see it easily
[07:29] <mdke> ok
[07:33] <mdke> done
[07:51] <psychopath_mind> only 10 cds? how can i ship 200 cds? for make a event?
[08:39] <mdke> psychopath_mind: you can't at the moment. Sometime next week it will be possible
[09:28] <YokoZar> I'm unable to sign codes of conduct - whatever I do it keeps giving me the error "The signed text does not match the Code of Conduct. Make sure that you signed the correct text (white space differences are acceptable)."  This occurs even when I don't insert extra whitespace.
[09:29] <mdke> YokoZar: is it version 1.0.1, or not?
[09:29] <YokoZar> Yes
[09:29] <YokoZar> I'll try 1.0 now
[09:29] <mdke> well, I just told you that was broken ;)
[09:31] <YokoZar> I thought I tried earlier versions too
[09:31] <YokoZar> hold on
[09:32] <YokoZar> oh well what do you know
[09:32] <YokoZar> works
[09:39] <Caminomaster> Hello
[10:40] <psychopath_mind> mdke, ok! thanks


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[03:13] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 1] has been updated (20170831)
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 Are the Ubuntu names just gonna repeat again?
 @AceHW, ?
 what a fishy question 😂
 Seriously, are they?
 I don't understand
 Are you talking about queuebot?
 I saw Artful and I'm thinking: wasn't the first Ubuntu called Artful Aardvark?
 Oh
 uhm
 idk
 I think so
 Seems kinda unoriginal for them to use the same names
 Well not the same names
 @AceHW, Nope, it was Warty, and after Breezy, and after all the letters :-)
 But we'll loop back I guess
 @julienlavergne, True :)
 Oh. Ok
 I forget Hoary, between those 2 :-)
 And after dapper, edgy, feisty and so on :-)
 *remind me good memories :-)*
 :D
 @wo
 The first and last I used (willingly) was Lucid Lynx, the last good version of the main Ubuntu
 The first Ubuntu I used was Trusty Tahr, I remember upgrading to Utopic Unicorn ;)
 I wouldn't use a short term release
 I run the development release of Ubuntu :P
 Oh yeah
 Btw, what is the visual difference between a stock LXDE and a stock LXQT?
 I don't know what they look like offhand
 @AceHW, With Lubuntu themes or no?
 Because with the Lubuntu themes, pretty similar
 Idk
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