[00:04] <knome> aacosta, what did you change then? did you update some packages?
[00:06] <aacosta> i mihgt have updated some packages
[00:06] <aacosta> for sure i probably did
[00:07] <aacosta> how do i check
[00:07] <aacosta> if i installed smething that messed it up
[00:08] <aacosta> hy know
[00:08] <aacosta> knoe
[00:08] <aacosta> knome
[00:08] <aacosta> whats up
[00:08] <aacosta> i believe it was you that helped me out installing the array.org
[00:08] <aacosta> it worked perfectly
[00:08] <aacosta> for a day
[00:08] <aacosta> i mustve done something
[00:08] <aacosta> or my roomatee
[00:22] <aacosta> probably should get rid of the array.org kernel right
[00:22] <aacosta> or nah
[00:38] <knome> aacosta, what does 'uname -a' say now?
[00:39] <aacosta> linux eeepc 2.6.28-13-generic #44-ubuntu
[00:39] <knome> 'kay...
[00:40] <knome> did you change the router configuration? i think your roomie might have messed that ;)
[00:44] <aacosta> its still the same
[00:44] <knome> so what does the nm-applet say?
[01:19] <MTec007> finally fixed my sound issue! yay!
[01:19] <MTec007> did every one hear, Michael Jackson died today?!?
[01:25] <muse> that's 3 channels that mentioned that in the last 2 minutes
[01:26] <muse> including this one.. you must all watch the same news channel
[01:29] <MTec007> i dont watch the news
[01:30] <MTec007> my wife and her friends got several text messages, they told me to verify so i checked newschannel5.com
[02:11] <homebrewcider> upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 and trying to get nvidia drivers installed, get message saying "kernel modules not found" install failed
[02:30] <aacosta> ey cabry you still there
[02:50] <homebrewcider> upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 and trying to get nvidia drivers installed, get message saying "kernel modules not found" install failed
[02:52] <th0r> homebrewcider: did you install the kernel source or kernel headers? (I am assuming you need to compile the nvidia drivers)
[02:54] <homebrewcider> mmm, how do I do that please?
[02:54] <th0r> homebrewcider: first question...am I correct that you are trying to compile the nvidia drivers?
[02:55] <homebrewcider> i'm trying to install them,it's trying to find a kernel module, then trying to download one and not finding one
[02:55] <homebrewcider> with another driver , i get an error saying something about me having gcc4.3, and the driver needing gcc4.2
[02:56] <th0r> homebrewcider: right, gcc is the c compiler. I would first install the kernel headers and try again installing the nvidia drivers, then if that doesn;t work install the kernel source and see if that does the trick.
[02:57] <th0r> homebrewcider: the headers should be in synaptic as linux-headers-generic
[02:57] <homebrewcider> kernel headers? never had to do this before
[02:58] <homebrewcider> ok
[02:59] <th0r> homebrewcider: well, I am assuming the nvidia drivers need to be compiled as part of the install process. The error sounds like a compiler error, the reference to gcc reinforces this, but I don't have an nvidia card so I am only guessing
[03:00] <homebrewcider> can I install that gcc4.2 it's referring to and see if that helps?
[03:00] <th0r> homebrewcider: don't know...never ran into that issue before
[03:01] <th0r> homebrewcider: I have successfully compiled from source a number of times, but do not consider myself any kind of guru in that arena. But my suggestion seemed better than the other answers you were getting <smile>
[03:02] <th0r> homebrewcider: you might try asking in #ubuntu....the nvidia drivers are not xfce specific
[03:02] <homebrewcider> gonna give it a shot
[03:02] <homebrewcider> thanks
[03:20] <sergio_barbanegr> pls i need help instaling open office
[03:24] <sergio_barbanegr> pls i need help instaling open office
[03:35] <knome> 'sudo apt-get install openoffice'
[03:38] <sergio_barbanegr> says coundt fin the package named openoffice
[03:39] <knome> 'sudo apt-get install openoffice.org'
[03:44] <sergio_barbanegr> thnks
[04:01] <aacosta> o yeah
[04:02] <aacosta> ha anyone had any luck getting wireless towork on eeepc
[04:02] <aacosta> with xubuntu 9.04
[04:09] <programble> hey yall
[04:09] <programble> RIP MJ
[04:10] <programble> RIP MJ! THE KING OF POP!
[04:21] <aacosta> someone told me to add this to my etc/apt/sources.list
[04:21] <aacosta> deb backports.org/debian/dists/lenny-backports/ ./
[04:21] <aacosta> but it gives me errors
[04:21] <aacosta> when i aptget install update
[04:21] <aacosta> malformed line
[04:21] <aacosta> uri parse
[04:29] <aacosta> anyone on here
[04:30] <aacosta> aacosta@eeepc:~$ sudo apt-get update
[04:30] <aacosta> E: Malformed line 55 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse)
[04:30] <aacosta> because i put in deb backports.org/debian/dists/lenny-backports/ ./ into my sources.list
[04:32] <MTec007> is it easy to make a 9.04 install cd with some things already included like flashplugin-installer   etc     also would like to have some config files pre set up
[04:34] <MTec007> i beleive doing that, in windows is called OEM  i dont know if thats what its called for linux
[05:05] <R1cochet> MTec007: i believe that there is a howto in the forums on creating ur own liveCD
[05:06] <R1cochet> not sure what its called tho
[05:06] <R1cochet> i found it b4 on google
[05:07] <R1cochet> OEM= Original Equipment Manufacturer, i think
[05:14] <MTec007> yeah but i dont want to create a liveCD, i want to create a install cd that will have things set up the way I want them
[05:15] <MTec007> the way i have my panel configured, my theme, my keyboard short cuts
[05:17] <R1cochet> i think it does that
[05:22] <MTec007> wow.
[05:22] <MTec007> that seems a lot harder than i expected.
[05:23] <MTec007> cant just extract iso edit files, add packages and re iso?
[05:23] <maduser> yeah you can
[05:24] <maduser> mount the iso and do the things you want
[05:24] <maduser> then make a new iso out of the mount folder
[05:25] <MTec007> they just make it sound so hard in the howto
[05:26] <maduser> could I get a link to it?
[05:27] <MTec007> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[05:27] <maduser> yeah you still have to do all the stuff in the guide
[05:28] <MTec007> its not worth it.
[05:29] <MTec007> ill just try to make some kind of script i can run post install, lets just hope it doesnt fsck any thing up :)
[05:29] <maduser> its not that hard
[05:29] <maduser> just copy and paste commands
[05:31] <MTec007> i think it may be in my best interest to not mount any thing. i just had to do a reinstall messing around with things above my understanding
[05:32] <R1cochet> u can use gmountiso
[05:32] <R1cochet> rather easy to use gui for mounting iso files
[05:32] <R1cochet> grab it from synaptic
[05:33] <MTec007> i wish i hadnt of deleted that 9.04 iso i just downloaded.  just burned a normal cd from it
[05:34] <R1cochet> ouch
[05:35] <R1cochet> had that happen to me b4 also
[05:35] <R1cochet> so now once i dl the iso i keep it untill newer version comes out
[05:36] <MTec007> lol
[05:46] <maduser> yo im customizing a cd now dude its really easy, easier then lfs
[05:48] <R1cochet> i was just gonna sk what lfs was but then i remembered
[05:48] <R1cochet> is it really easy? just follow that howto?
[05:49] <maduser> yeah
[05:50] <maduser> copy and paste
[05:50] <maduser> up to the customizing part
[05:50] <mikubuntu> who knows anything about isp throttling?  i have att's slowest dsl, the one that's 20 bucks a month.  on all my old boxes i noticed months ago that when i would download anything, the download speed as registered by the download box 'speedometer' was always between 72 kbs - 85 kbs, and i thought prolly just my slow computers, but i got this laptop, which is no speed demon, but it is new, and...
[05:50] <mikubuntu> ...my download speed still showing those same speeds.  but when i do a speed check like the one at speed.fastaccess.com , it's showing much higher speed, like 634 kbs, for download.
[05:51] <mikubuntu> maduser, what app u using for cd customization
[05:51] <R1cochet> its from terminal
[05:51] <R1cochet> i think
[05:53] <maduser> i'm doing it from the comandline
[05:53] <maduser> thats the only way
[05:53] <maduser> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[05:54] <maduser> i'm removing gnome now and adding the lxde
[06:03] <R1cochet> lxde?
[06:03] <maduser> its a lightweight desktop enviroment
[06:03] <maduser> relatively new
[06:03] <R1cochet> ahh ok
[06:03] <R1cochet> ill google it
[06:03] <R1cochet> more light weight than xfce?
[06:04] <maduser> I believe so
[06:11] <MTec007> whats the diff between apt-get and aptitude?
[06:14] <SiDi> aptitude manages the remove operations better
[06:14] <SiDi> and it has different options. aptitude cant do apt-get source
[06:14] <SiDi> but i think apt-get doesn't have aptitude why and whynot's equivalents
[06:15] <MTec007> so which is better to use?
[06:22] <SiDi> i use aptitude
[06:22] <SiDi> but if you used apt-get before, stay on it
[06:22] <SiDi> dont mix them
[07:52] <sandy_> Is Xubuntu 9.04 as easy to get going with web browsing and WICD as its regular Ubuntu counterpart?
[07:52] <sandy_> I'm new to ubuntu but feel its dragging a bit and could use more efficiency
[07:53] <R1cochet> web browsing yea
[07:54] <R1cochet> it comes w/ firefox
[07:54] <R1cochet> u can try the livecd b4 u install
[07:54] <R1cochet> whats WICD?
[07:55] <sandy_> WICD is what I use for wifi connecting
[07:55] <sandy_> it works better than the network manager that comes with ubuntu9.04
[07:56] <R1cochet> havent tried wicd so im not sure
[07:56] <R1cochet> but u can run the livecd, grab wicd in synaptic and see how it works. no changes made
[07:57] <sandy_> It's a very simple program that autodetected my netgear wireless card and got me connected to a simple wifi network
[07:57] <sandy_> I'm not familiar with synaptic but I might give it a try
[07:57] <R1cochet> and nwm doesnt find it?
[07:57] <R1cochet> synaptic is great
[07:57] <R1cochet> same as apt-get from terminal
[07:57] <R1cochet> but gui
[07:58] <sandy_> right...nwm didn't seem to do anything.  It didn't even detect that I had a wifi card.
[07:58] <R1cochet> that could be driver issue
[07:58] <sandy_> ahh interesting
[07:58] <R1cochet> i had to dl broadcom drivers to get wifi to work here
[07:59] <sandy_> did you have to do the same with regular ubuntu (if you used that)?
[07:59] <R1cochet> also did u enable wireless in nwm? u might have to rt click on nwm and tick wireless
[07:59] <R1cochet> yes
[08:00] <R1cochet> grab the livecd, run w/out changes and u can dl packages and try the stuff out
[08:00] <R1cochet> i personally like xfce a lot more
[08:00] <sandy_> do you use xubuntu for everything?
[08:03] <sandy_> I'm thinking of installing XP on a dual boot cuz the multimedia doesn't work very well on ubuntu
[08:04] <R1cochet> yes i use xubuntu for everything, i have xp on dual boot also, cant hurt but i never run windows.
[08:04] <R1cochet> also u have to install ubuntu-restricted or xubuntu-restricted depending on which distro u use
[08:05] <R1cochet> as well to get dvd playback u need libdvdread4 and decss
[08:05] <R1cochet> there are howtos on getting those
[08:05] <R1cochet> they are in medibuntu repos
[08:49] <sandy_> is 9.04 the version to get?
[08:49] <R1cochet> its the newest if thats what u mean
[08:49] <R1cochet> so the packages are supposed to be the most current from my understanding
[08:49] <sandy_> does it support USB right away?
[08:49] <R1cochet> yes
[08:50] <R1cochet> try the livecd
[08:50] <sandy_> will do...once this dl is done
[08:51] <R1cochet> ok
[08:54] <sandy_> do you sacrifice anything in particular by using xubuntu rather than ubuntu?
[08:55] <sandy_> dvd viewing  I'm aware requires some extra steps
[08:56] <R1cochet> no sacrifices i can think of
[08:57] <R1cochet> unless running faster is a sacrifice
[08:57] <sandy_> hehehe awesome
[08:57] <R1cochet> its supposed to be lighter on resources
[08:58] <R1cochet> xubuntu that is
[08:58] <R1cochet> i rather like it
[08:58] <R1cochet> more than ubuntu
[08:58] <sandy_> that's definitely drawing me in...is it difficult installing xp after xubuntu?
[08:58] <sandy_> on the same hard drive
[08:58] <R1cochet> other way around
[08:59] <R1cochet> install xp first
[08:59] <R1cochet> then install xubuntu
[08:59] <R1cochet> not difficult at all
[08:59] <R1cochet> there are some howtos i think
[08:59] <sandy_> really?  any partitioning to do between the two OS installs
[08:59] <R1cochet> ahh thats right first time i did it i watched a video on utube on how to install a dual boot
[09:00] <R1cochet> yes u will have to partition but not untill after u install xp
[09:00] <sandy_> oh ok
[09:00] <R1cochet> when u go to install xubuntu is when u will want to partition
[09:00] <R1cochet> it will give a couple options on where to install
[09:01] <R1cochet> choose resize partition, leave enough room for xp to install apps an updates and other stuff u like if ineeded
[09:01] <R1cochet> then use the latter part of the drive to install xubuntu
[09:02] <R1cochet> after u install xubuntu, the next time u run windows it will do a drive check, all is fine it just needs to see that the size of the drive has changed
[09:04] <sandy_> thanx for the advice I'm gonna check out the livecd now
[09:05] <R1cochet> np
[09:10] <MTecknology> what's the tool xubuntu uses to change audio output?
[09:13] <R1cochet> mixer
[09:14] <R1cochet> should be on panel
[09:14] <R1cochet> if not its in multimedia
[09:14] <MTecknology> R1cochet: I'm running a near clie system
[09:14] <R1cochet> wtf is clie?
[09:14] <MTecknology> cli*
[09:15] <R1cochet> ahh ok
[09:15] <R1cochet> sry
[09:15] <MTecknology> I see it though - xfce4-mixer
[09:15] <R1cochet> then i have no idea sry
[09:15] <MTecknology> thanks :)
[09:15] <R1cochet> no i thank you
[09:15] <MTecknology> why's that?
[09:15] <MTecknology> you helped :)
[09:15] <R1cochet> cuz now i know the actual command for it :)
[09:15] <R1cochet> as did u
[09:19] <MTecknology> ..... how do you set output devices with this
[09:21] <MTecknology> R1cochet: ?
[09:22] <R1cochet> r u in gui?
[09:22] <MTecknology> ya
[09:23] <R1cochet> well soundcard drop down sets alsa, oss...... then at the bottom click select controls and you should be able to select what devices
[09:24] <R1cochet> then after u select them they should show in main window and u can adjust voluime for each
[09:24] <R1cochet> brb nicotine
[09:24] <MTecknology> aight
[09:25] <MTecknology> R1cochet: I select the sound card piece and I get no change
[09:26] <MTecknology> It's set to Auto Gain Control too....
[09:32] <MTecknology> I dropped pulse - we'll see if that helps
[09:35] <MTecknology> GAH!
[09:35] <MTecknology> I Hate Audio
[09:40] <R1cochet> power went out
[09:40] <R1cochet> were u able to set audio devices?
[09:42] <MTecknology> ope
[09:42] <MTecknology> nope*
[09:42] <MTecknology> I'm closed
[09:42] <MTecknology> closer***
[09:42] <R1cochet> cool
[09:42] <R1cochet> sry that didnt help
[09:42] <R1cochet> im not sure what else to do
[09:42] <R1cochet> what exactly r u trying to do?
[09:42] <MTecknology> I can do alsamixer -c 1 and I'll be controlling the right card...
[09:42] <MTecknology> I'm trying to use a headset through USB
[09:43] <R1cochet> ohh
[09:43] <MTecknology> when I pick something in the drop down - it doesn't actually select that as the device
[09:46] <MTecknology> GOT IT!
[09:46] <MTecknology> asoundconf set-default-card default
[09:46] <MTecknology> This command confirmed it - cat /dev/urandom | aplay
[09:47] <R1cochet> nice
[09:47] <R1cochet> congrats
[09:47] <R1cochet> so its working now?
[09:47] <MTecknology> yup :D
[09:48] <MTecknology> hopefully it keeps working now :D
[09:48] <MTecknology> either way - bookmarked
[09:48] <R1cochet> lol always helps
[09:50] <MTecknology> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va8Sh4Agr5
[09:50] <MTecknology> funny ^
[09:52] <MTecknology> finally time to watch motu videos
[09:52] <R1cochet> lol
[10:16] <homebrewcider> trying to install nvidia card after dist-upgrade, keep getting error message, "kernel headers missing". How do I install them, the headers corresponding to my kernel version are not listed on synaptic
[10:27] <xuxubuntu> how to mount my C: ( sda1 ) in xfce ubuntu ?
[10:33] <R1cochet> u need to install ntfs i think
[10:33] <R1cochet> thats ur windows drive yes?
[10:36] <mikubuntu> should i run a firewall?
[10:39] <TheSheep> !firewall
[13:59] <crazygir> I like that.. "uncomplicated firewall"
[14:00] <crazygir> even IOS is easier..
[14:16] <ocs> hi. how can I launch a graphical program which allows me to modify date and time?
[14:46] <crazygir> dunno, but date is pretty easy on the command line
[14:47] <crazygir> even gives you the format if you don't put anything
[15:41] <ocs> crazygir: in which way (command line) ?
[16:23] <crazygir> ocs: yes
[16:53] <Roybot> totall noob on smb, I installed it, I can ping the computers. Where can I access the shared files on the network?
[16:53] <handjob> Hi all. I i am curently wrighting from 'irssi' and i am wandering how can i make that it didn't exit after pressing the 'x' button rather then minimalize on tray.
[16:58] <Roybot> let me rephrase that: What application do you guys use to browse shares using samba?
[17:20] <Torgoton> Roybot: smbclient -L ipaddr
[17:21] <Roybot> yeah Torgoton i got that working, I was looking for GUI app. I know GNOME and KDE have their own.
[17:21] <Torgoton> ah. sorry.
[17:24] <charlie-tca> Roybot: try gigolo?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Applications -> System -> Shared Folders
[17:56] <Torgoton> I'm having trouble getting X to work on a newly-installed Ubuntu (Hardy) on my old ThinkPad 560E with a Cyber 9660 chip. No one in #xorg at the moment can help. Any tips? I've tried the vesa driver, but get a 640x480 display of blue squares - I get no cursor, but can log in. No changes in the display, though.
[19:33] <nicklas_> hello, when i burn isos and data in brasero, it dont work, its installed by standard in xubuntu, is xfburn or some other program working better with xubuntu?
[20:38] <mikubuntu> i don't know if its a firefox feature that when i move the cursor up and down, the page moves up and down, but i hate it.  how can i turn it OFF?
[20:48] <slow-motion> hi
[21:08] <maduser> is there anyone here who last night was curious about ubuntu live cd customization?
[21:52] <sandy_> whats the easy way to check memory with xubuntu 9.04?
[21:56] <aacosta> dmesg |grep -i memory
[21:57] <aacosta> or free -m
[21:57] <sandy_> ahh yes thank you
[21:59] <sandy_> Is there a way of changing the way checkboxes look?  I wish the unchecked boxes looked more different from the checked ones
[22:03] <aacosta> have no clue
[22:03] <aacosta> i just googled i
[22:03] <aacosta> t
[22:05] <sandy_> thanx for checking....hopefully it can be done
[22:18] <knome> sandy_, you have two options: modify the theme or use another one.
[22:19] <sandy_> oh apparently the appearance Style was ThinIce which had nice colors but terrible checkboxes.  I switched it to something else and now it's all good.
[22:21] <sandy_> thanks knome.
[22:21] <knome> np
[22:23] <sandy_> any chance you know about adding more program icon shortcuts up top by the firefox icon?  I tried rt-clicking and adding items but it didn't have the desired effect
[22:23] <knome> add a launcher
[22:28] <sandy_> I don't know the command for the program.  is there an easy way of looking that up?
[22:28] <knome> sandy_, accessories -> application finder
[22:38] <sandy_> i am able to load the app, but i don't see a command to use for the launcher
[23:04] <acme64> is there a "remix" for netbooks like ubuntu has?
[23:19] <CRM> Im trying to run Age of Empires 2 with Wine. It install just fine, but when I try to run it, it gives "Could not initialize program. Age of Empires II not detected."
[23:20] <CRM> winecfg
[23:20] <CRM> Ops, sorry


[20:07] <slangasek> anyone here know why eglibc build-depends on g++-4.4 currently, rather than g++?
[20:45] <highvoltage> if only you had changelogs, then you could check!
[20:45] <highvoltage> *ducks*
[20:51] <highvoltage> slangasek: I guess it's best to contact Aurelien Jarno<EMAIL_ADDRESS>though, seems like he made the change in eglibc (2.10.1-7)
[20:53] <slangasek> highvoltage: I read the changelog; all the references to g++-4.4 seemed unfortunately ambiguous to me
[20:54] <slangasek> and indeed, the version mentioned in the 2.10.1-7 changelog is not the version currently listed in build-deps
[20:56] <highvoltage> ah


[01:21] <acerimmer> ghost
[13:31] <soundbyter> does anyone know how to safely uninstall pulse audio on lucid? Problem is if i try to uninstall it it goes to uninstalling ubuntu-netbook which is what i'm running (netbook)
[13:34] <jussi> soundbyter: is it just uninstalling the meta package?
[13:35] <jussi> if so, no big deal.
[13:51] <soundbyter> it wants to uninstall ubuntu-netbook
[13:51] <soundbyter> whatever that is
[21:34] <Bart__> Hi can someone tell me more about virtual audio cable loopback things
[22:13] <holstein> hey Bart__
[22:13] <holstein> what are you interested in exactly?
[22:17] <Bart__> sound must go from application a to application b without soundcard :)
[22:18] <holstein> OK
[22:18] <holstein> JACK
[22:18] <holstein> Bart__: check this out http://jackaudio.org/
[22:18] <rlameiro> yeap, jack then you can use qjackctl or patchage to route them
[22:19] <holstein> have you used JACK yet?
[22:19] <Bart__> I've tried but it is complaining it needs alsa?
[22:19] <holstein> a bit of a learning curve sometimes getting it up and running (jack)
[22:19] <holstein> BUT quite worth it
[22:19] <holstein> theres nothing else really like JACK
[22:19] <rlameiro> ohhh
[22:20] <rlameiro> you dont have really a soundcard....
[22:20] <holstein> Bart__: i would suggest trouble shooting jack
[22:20] <rlameiro> well that is weird
[22:20] <holstein> Bart__: if you dont have a sound card
[22:20] <Bart__> I don't have a soundcard
[22:20] <holstein> or want to use one
[22:20] <holstein> in qjack
[22:20] <rlameiro> so you should install a dummy soundcard
[22:20] <holstein> go to 'setup'
[22:20] <holstein> and select the driver 'dummy'
[22:20] <rlameiro> that may be something related to an alsa loopback or something
[22:20] <rlameiro> i really dont know how
[22:20] <holstein> like rlameiro ^^ says :)
[22:21] <holstein> i do that here
[22:21] <holstein> i run the dummy driver on a laptop
[22:21] <holstein> and get in and out via netjack
[22:22] <holstein> Bart__: where are you?
[22:22] <holstein> i have a stack of soundcards if your near me at all ;)
[22:22] <holstein> what are the chances though right
[22:22] <Bart__> it's a server ;)
[22:22] <Bart__> so no soundcard
[22:22] <holstein> OH
[22:22] <holstein> gotcah
[22:22] <holstein> gotcha*
[22:22] <Bart__> :)
[22:23] <holstein> the 'dummy' driver will do it
[22:23] <Bart__> hmz I see I can't even start jack
[22:23] <Bart__> cannot open existing shm registry segment (Function not implemented)
[22:23] <Bart__> no access to shm registry
[22:23] <holstein> whats te error?
[22:23] <holstein> OK
[22:23] <holstein> Bart__: what ubuntu are you on?
[22:23] <holstein> hardy?
[22:24] <Bart__> uh that old LTS one
[22:24] <holstein> yup
[22:24] <holstein> hardy
[22:24] <holstein> hmmm
[22:24] <holstein> still should work
[22:24] <rlameiro> weird
[22:24] <holstein> Bart__: so are you running X on that box at all?
[22:24] <holstein> are you starting jack from CLI ?
[22:24] <rlameiro> i think it doesnt have alsa installed
[22:25] <rlameiro> jack do relies on alsa
[22:25] <holstein> i dont know the proper arguments to pass to use 'dummy' from the CLI
[22:25] <Bart__> it's virtual x
[22:25] <holstein> i suppose it wont hurt to try
[22:25] <rlameiro> jackd -d dummy
[22:25] <Bart__> jackd -d dummy
[22:25] <holstein> you could install alsa and see if that helps
[22:26] <rlameiro> lol
[22:26] <Bart__> same error
[22:26] <Bart__> I installed the alsa files :p
[22:26] <holstein> other than that, have you asked in #jack ?
[22:26] <holstein> those guys are usually ON IT
[22:26] <Bart__> asking now :)
[22:27] <holstein> if i think of something, i'll shout it out :)
[22:27] <Bart__> I think it's strange that there is not a easy solution for that
[22:27] <Bart__> cuz even on windows it took like 2 minutes :o
[22:28] <Bart__> but I can't use that xD
[22:32] <rlameiro> solution its possible to exist
[22:32] <rlameiro> but remind that on windows you had a full desktop system
[22:32] <rlameiro> you are on a server...
[22:32] <Bart__> yeah I know :)
[22:41] <holstein> w0w
[22:41] <holstein> tough crowd over there ;)
[22:42] <holstein> ive been camped out there for about a year
[22:42] <holstein> somebody responded to me the other day
[23:16] <methods2> what's a good tool for video transcoding ?
[23:38] <holstein> methods2: how does pitivi work for you?
[23:39] <holstein> http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/ maybe??
[23:39] <holstein> im not sure how/if they transcode
[23:47] <methods2> thanks i'll try them


[06:03] <seismic__> hey, are ubuntu-ports armhf binaries compiled for armv7+VFP?
[06:03] <lilstevie> seismic__, that is what hardfloat is :p
[06:04] <seismic__> lilstevie: cool, just to be sure ;)
[06:04] <lilstevie> :)
[06:06] <lilstevie> seismic__, armhf is armv7 using vfp for floating points, the only major thing armhf doesn't cover is neon
[06:06] <lilstevie> and that is due to some armv7 cores out there not supporting neon
[06:10] <seismic__> lilstevie: ok, i see
[09:26] <ogra_> rsalveti, do you know if https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/xbmc/2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1ubuntu2 could also build for arm ? or is it missing patches ... ?
[09:27] <ogra_> rsalveti, oh, ignore me, i'm blind
[09:27] <ogra_> (somehow my brain was looking for armel in the archiers list)
[09:27] <ogra_> *arches
[10:24] <int_ua> I'm constantly getting a couple of "Buffer I/O error on device loop1, logical block 494320" while mounting/working with 12.04 OMAP preinstalled image. Can anyone suggest what's the problem?
[10:25] <ogra_> int_ua, well, what did you loop mount ?
[10:30] <int_ua> sudo mount -o "loop,offset=75497472" -t auto ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+omap.img /mn
[10:30] <int_ua> ogra_: ^
[10:31] <ogra_> ohm, i thought you meant when running it :)
[10:31] <int_ua> ogra_: doesn't it mean that the image FS is broken?
[10:32] <ogra_> might be, it doesnt stay like that since on first boot the SD gets re-partitioned and the FS gets adjusted to the SD
[10:33] <ogra_> i havent loop mounted an image in quite a while i must admit
[10:33] <int_ua> Where should I report it?
[10:33] <ogra_> (and preinstalled is dead from 12.10 on)
[10:34] <ogra_> you could report it against debian-cd i guess but dont expect it to be fixed, loop mounting the images is a corner case and arm wasnt even rebuilt for 12.04.1
[10:34] <ogra_> and as said, this image type is dead
[10:35] <int_ua> orga_: What's the proposed replacement if it's dead? Ubuntu Core?
[10:35] <ogra_> well, for omap there is still ubuntu-server
[10:36] <ogra_> beyond trhat all images are now simple live/alternate images like on x86
[10:36] <ogra_> the preinstalled hackery is gone
[10:37] <int_ua> ok, thanks
[10:38] <ogra_> ubuntu core isnt an image
[10:38] <ogra_> it is a base for building images
[10:39] <ogra_> (or a cheap way of getting a chroot)
[10:48] <int_ua> The same thing for Kubuntu, just different logical blocks
[10:49] <Heradon> good morning
[11:02] <Heradon> I have a question and that is responsible for the uboot you can load a image from MMC or does boot.axf?
[11:03] <hrw> boot.axf?
[11:03] <LetoThe2nd> sounds like armcc. bah.
[11:04] <Heradon> on my gooseberry (android) is an nanda/boot.axf i think this is the firmware
[11:06] <Heradon> i have build sucessfully a new u-boot.bin but boot from mmc is not possible
[11:08] <Heradon> but the android boots without a problem ^^
[12:37] <ogra_> damned ... i cant get the console up with more recent kernels on the zatab
[12:51]  * ogra_ doesnt get that
[13:08] <ogra_> sigh
[13:21] <ogra_> yay, at least i see 1G now
[13:21] <ogra_> (well, 900+M )
[13:24] <ogra_> oha, we used the totally wrong kernel branch for allwinner it seems
[13:24] <ogra_> there is apparently a branch based on 3.0.42
[13:25]  * ogra_ clones
[16:42] <hrw> ogra_: allwinner? does it hurts badly?
[16:42] <ogra_> well, so so
[16:42] <ogra_> i have a kernel that has a working console now and that allocates the full 1G if i use mem=
[16:43] <ogra_> no success with the mmc ot touchscreen drivers yet
[16:43] <ogra_> *or
[16:44]  * xnox ponders if the way I wrote lvm support in ubiquity increased memory usage
[16:44] <xnox> and if it did, whether it was significant....
[16:44] <ogra_> who uses lvm anyway :)
[16:45]  * xnox does
[16:45] <xnox> :P
[16:45] <xnox> who uses arm anyway ;)
[16:47] <ogra_> xnox, everyone using a mobilephone ;)
[16:48] <sauerbraten> using the precise ubuntu core rootfs on a pandaboard I can't use my keyboard. at no point is there any power (i.e. the lock leds never light up). known bug / not a bug?
[16:48] <hrw> ogra_: there are !arm mobilephones ;)
[16:48] <sauerbraten> pandaboard A2 btw
[16:48] <ogra_> hrw, rarely :)
[16:49]  * hrw -> off
[16:49] <ogra_> sauerbraten, kernel issue i would say, and no, not known (works fine here)
[16:50] <ogra_> sauerbraten, do you have a proper power supply attached (3A or bigger)
[16:50] <sauerbraten> mhm... I only untared the rootfs to the second partition and put MLO, u-boot.bin and uImage onto the boot partition from http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap4/netboot/
[16:51] <sauerbraten> it worked with arch linux for arm, for example, so I guess. let me check though
[16:51] <sauerbraten> 2.5A
[16:51] <ogra_> no usb disk ?
[16:51] <sauerbraten> nothing but the keyboard
[16:52] <ogra_> then 2.5A should eb fine
[16:52] <ogra_> *be
[16:52] <ogra_> where did you get the required initrd ?
[16:52] <sauerbraten> I didn't get one. do I need one? ooops
[16:52] <ogra_> (or how did you produce it)
[16:53] <ogra_> ah, well, i think the HID stuff is modules :)
[16:53] <sauerbraten> I followed http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/OMAP_Ubuntu_Core and there was no mention of it
[16:53] <ogra_> do you have an ubuntu PC around ?
[16:54] <sauerbraten> I'm on xubuntu right now, installing xubuntu-desktop to the SD card, to see if xorg gets my keyboard
[16:55] <ogra_> nah, wait
[16:55] <ogra_> first install linux-omap4
[16:55] <ogra_> so you get the modules
[16:56] <sauerbraten> mhm, you're too late, but I'll do that when xubuntu finishes :)
[16:56] <ogra_> any reason why you started off so compicated ?
[16:56] <ogra_> nothing will be in sync with the defaults of an ubuntu system that way
[16:57] <sauerbraten> I read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core/InstallationExample where it says to install a kernel and the dependencies, but I couldn't find linux-image for arm so I left that out
[16:57] <sauerbraten> so it's named linux-omap4?
[16:57] <ogra_> yes
[16:57] <ogra_> why do you actually use core ... its not really designed for this
[16:58] <sauerbraten> I used ubuntu for arm but it was really slow
[16:58] <ogra_> ??
[16:59] <sauerbraten> what?
[16:59] <sauerbraten> I mean the UI
[16:59] <ogra_> ubuntu for arm ... what do you mean
[16:59] <sauerbraten> the normal ubuntu build for omap4
[16:59] <ogra_> well, still core is to build images on top of it
[16:59] <sauerbraten> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
[17:00] <ogra_> all the required installer bits arent there
[17:00] <ogra_> and core is for use as a chroot
[17:00] <ogra_> you shouldnt try to roll a normel system based on it if you dont exactly knwo which bits and pieces need to be touched
[17:00] <ogra_> for xubuntu desktop installs just use the server image
[17:01] <ogra_> it offers you all installable tasks, ubuntu-dekstop or xubuntu-desktop are among them
[17:01] <sauerbraten> sounds reasonable. well I'll see what I get now and if it fails again I'll try server
[17:01] <ogra_> and you end up with a properly set up system that doesnt fall over all the time on package upgrades
[17:02] <sauerbraten> core does?
[17:02] <ogra_> it will, i,.e. the kernel relies on a properly configured bootloader setup
[17:36] <sauerbraten> ogra_: will the server image offer a login prompt on hdmi or only serial?
[17:37] <ogra_> it defaults to run the installer on serial, once installed it will show ttys on all consoles (so on hdmi too)
[17:47] <sauerbraten> do I have to interact with the installer?
[17:47] <ogra_> yes
[17:48] <ogra_> you can rebuild the boot.scr on the first SD partition and drop the console= arg as well as the debian-installer/framebiffer option
[17:49] <ogra_> that should give you the installer on HDMI by default
[17:49] <ogra_> (in 12.10 we actually ship a second bootloader config that you can just cp in place if needed)
[17:50] <ogra_> but 12.10 expects to install to a USB target device by default
[18:16] <sauerbraten> ogra_: mhm that's bad, I don't have my serial cable with me atm :/ I booted it anyway and the screen got activated, I don't have any prompt though. sure there is an installer on there? it's already 630MB and it's named preinstalled, so...
[20:08] <GrueMaster> sauerbraten: The installer is oem-config.  It only prompts for localization (username/password, language, timezone, etc).  It is not the full installer.
[20:10] <sauerbraten> GrueMaster: ok, I had to let go though. I'm now using a minimal biuld from http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/precise/ which does it's job quite good until now
[20:12] <GrueMaster> Ok.  I can also help with the preinstalled server image if you want.  The rcn-ee images are a bit customized, and asside from the apps, you won't get much help here.
[20:21] <sauerbraten> GrueMaster: well I would have to have my serial cable which is about 150km away from where I am :) the repos should be the same as for the original ubuntu though, right? so I will eventually be able to get the graphics to work?
[20:24] <sauerbraten> I was actually running ubuntu server before I think, but couldn't get X to work properly. I had a nifty little autoupdate config though which I plan on using again
[20:28] <GrueMaster> sauerbraten: I can help you get around the serial console issue.  It is a simple edit of the boot.scr file.
[20:30] <sauerbraten> GrueMaster: oooh! well, it's kind of too late now. wanna tell me anyway so I can save a boot.script file in case I switch back to server?
[20:31] <GrueMaster> Are you using a Linux PC or a Windows system?  You will need to edit the boot.scr on the 1st partition.
[20:37] <GrueMaster> Give me a second.  looking up the alternate names for boot.scr.  There is a way to edit it and save it as plain text without the u-boot crc header.
[20:41] <GrueMaster> I actually had this documented on the ubuntu wiki at one point.  Now it is all gone.  sigh.
[20:47] <GrueMaster> Ok, figured it out.  Edit the boot.scr, remove the binary crap at the beginning, and replace the bootargs with "bootargs=vram=40M mem=456M@0x80000000 mem=512M@0xA0000000 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 fixrtc quiet splash"
[20:47] <GrueMaster> And that should work.
[20:48] <GrueMaster> Save the file as preEnv.txt (delete boot.scr).
[21:14] <sauerbraten> ok, wrote that down. thanks GrueMaster
[21:14] <GrueMaster> No problem.  I just wish it had stayed on the wiki.
[21:21] <sauerbraten> so, after "apt-get install linux-omap4" rendered the system unusable again (no login prompt, no X, though that worked before) I'm now actually gonna use your method, GrueMaster :)
[21:23] <GrueMaster> Ok.  Let me know how it goes.
[21:24] <sauerbraten> can you tell me what the bootargs mean? I've used so many different boot.src's now, would be good to know what I'm actually putting in there
[21:25] <GrueMaster> These are the parameters that uboot passes to the kernel.  They are the kernel boot arguments.
[21:25] <GrueMaster> Just a different syntax than, say, grub or lilo.
[21:27] <sauerbraten> but for example  mem=456M@0x80000000 mem=512M@0xA0000000 look like it tells the kernel where to allocate memory or something? why twice?
[21:27] <sauerbraten> also fixrtc?
[21:29] <GrueMaster> The mem= lines map memory holes in system memory.  These holes are used for the video decoder.  If you aren't running the omap4 powervr drivers (i.e. stock FB) then you don't need these lines.
[21:29] <GrueMaster> The fixrtc runs a script that essentially sets the time to the last filesystem write time.
[21:29] <GrueMaster> Since there is no battery backed RTC in the system.
[21:32] <GrueMaster> Quiet tells the kernel to quit yapping, and splash will run Plymouth splash screen.
[21:33] <GrueMaster> Not sure on the vram, but it is omap specific.
[21:33] <GrueMaster> I think it is for Video Ram.
[21:34] <GrueMaster> to allocate shared memory as video memory.
[21:34] <sauerbraten> ok, I will hopefully use the powervr driver :) when you said "remove that binary crap", you meant I can delete the whole file? cause there's nothing in there besides weird bytes
[21:35] <GrueMaster> It should have had other stuff as well (like the bootargs).
[21:36] <sauerbraten> doesn't, not in a standard text editor at least
[21:36] <GrueMaster> What are you editing with?
[21:36] <sauerbraten> leafpad
[21:36] <sauerbraten> now checking with cat
[21:36] <sauerbraten> ok cat shows more
[21:36] <GrueMaster> Hmm.  Never used that one.
[21:36] <sauerbraten> I'll try nano
[21:37] <sauerbraten> yes that works
[21:37] <GrueMaster> The first 72 bytes are the CRC.
[21:38] <sauerbraten> this is what's in there besides the CRC bytes http://pastie.org/4793694
[21:38] <sauerbraten> looks good? now edit the bootargs how you said?
[21:39] <sauerbraten> actually, this is the whole bootargs line: bootargs vram=40M mem=456M@0x80000000 mem=512M@0xA0000000   root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 fixrtc quiet splash debian-installer/framebuffer=false console=ttyO2,115200n8
[21:39] <GrueMaster> yes, only just edit the way it looks in the boot.scr (i.e. remove the console= and the debian-installer stuff).
[21:39] <sauerbraten> ok
[21:40] <GrueMaster> Yea, so just remove everything after the splash.
[21:40] <sauerbraten> and the CRC, cause that will be wrong now?
[21:40] <GrueMaster> Right.
[21:40] <GrueMaster> Are you on a linux system while editing?
[21:41] <sauerbraten> yep
[21:41] <sauerbraten> so, save that as boot.scr or preEnv.txt now?
[21:41] <GrueMaster> Then you can re-add the crc with mkimage.
[21:41] <GrueMaster> Save it as boot.script.
[21:42] <sauerbraten> done
[21:42] <sauerbraten> now mkimage -A arm -O linux -T script -C none -a 0 -e 0 -n "ubuntu server boot script" -d boot.script boot.scr ?
[21:42] <GrueMaster> then type "mkimage -A arm -O linux -T script -C none -n boot.scr boot.script"
[21:42] <GrueMaster> Or what you said.
[21:43] <sauerbraten> yours gave me segfault o.O
[21:43] <GrueMaster> (I had -n and -d confused).
[21:43] <sauerbraten> oh ok
[21:43] <sauerbraten> well, let's try this!
[21:43] <GrueMaster> I haven't done this since April.
[21:44] <GrueMaster> Now that you have boot.scr, copy it back to the first partition of the SD and boot in a panda.
[21:45] <sauerbraten> I always had it on the first partition, was too lazy to even copy it away from there :)
[21:45] <GrueMaster> That works too.
[21:45] <sauerbraten> mhm, nothing happening yet, only both LEDs on
[21:45] <GrueMaster> I used to do this (and many other edits) on a more than daily basis, so I wrote a script.
[21:46] <GrueMaster> Hmmm.
[21:46] <GrueMaster> It may be doing the first stage filesystem expansion.  Give it about 5 minutes.
[21:47] <GrueMaster> The preinstalled images will boot once to expand the rootfs to fill the SD, then reboot into oem-config.
[21:47] <GrueMaster> And that stage is only visible without quiet & splash in the bootargs.
[21:48] <GrueMaster> But iirc, one LED should shut off as soon as it loads the kernel.
[21:49] <sauerbraten> yeah I remember that. we'll see. I also think I remember the SD LED to blink once or twice while it booted ./
[21:49] <GrueMaster> How did you write the image to the SD?
[21:49] <sauerbraten> dd and bs=4M
[21:49] <sauerbraten> it said 1M, but hey
[21:50] <GrueMaster> ok
[21:50] <sauerbraten> plus sudo sync, so that shoul have worked
[21:51] <GrueMaster> Is this a precise image?  img.gz?
[21:51] <sauerbraten> yes. but wait, I just realized I left the empty preEnv.txt on there
[21:51] <sauerbraten> maybe the bootloader is confused
[21:51] <GrueMaster> could be.
[21:52] <GrueMaster> I need to step out for ~15 minutes.  biab.
[21:56] <sauerbraten> mhm, I checked my boot.scr and boot.script again and it seems something got messed up (or I did) well, the boot.scr didn't contain anything but the CRC (probably from getting an empty preEnv.txt the first time?) and boot.script was completely erased. I'll copy the original boot.scr now and edit it again, this time making sure to not mess up
[22:16] <sauerbraten> works now, I even see the resizing splash on HDMI
[22:16] <GrueMaster> Cool.
[22:17] <GrueMaster> Should be fairly straight-forward from here.