[10:49] <holycow> you should of told him to just restart x to check
[10:49] <holycow> >_>
[10:49] <morphix> bbrazil, i do that.. dhcpdiscover says it cant find any dhcp leases
[10:49] <ajax4> holycow: True but that is simpler. Takes longer, but simpler.
[10:49] <winman> bbrazil, oh lol, I tried again, and it works now .. thanks :)
[10:50] <J-_> how do i change default program to open up different formats?
[10:50] <bbrazil> morphix: can you run tcpdump from another system?
[10:51] <morphix> bbrazil, erm?
[10:51] <bbrazil> morphix: what other systems do you have?
[10:51] <bbrazil> morphix: that are on the same switch
[10:52] <morphix> well on this machine i have ubuntu & winxp.. but booted into winxp atm
[10:52] <ajax4> J-_:  What is it you are trying to do?
[10:52] <bbrazil> morphix: better go the other route then. ifdown eth1
[10:53] <J-_> when i open up an mp3(double click) it opens up in mplayer
[10:53] <wiking> on volume control i can find my sound device and select it, but i can't hear any sound from computer. (i can hear what i say in mic)
[10:53] <morphix> bbrazil: i have no clue why it isnt working :(
[10:53] <ajax4> J-_: Double in from Nautilus/Desktop?
[10:53] <holycow> J-_, right clik on file, properties, go to open with tab
[10:53] <bbrazil> morphix: if you could go into ubuntu on this system, there's a lot of debugging tools that'll be useful
[10:53] <winman> is there an equilizer available in rhythmbox, the music sounds pretty terrible
[10:54] <J-_> ah ok, makes sense... stupid question i guess... should of researched more -.-
[10:54] <morphix> bbrazil, brb then
[10:54] <NthDegree> winman xmms is older but nicer with those things
[10:55] <NthDegree> xmms also is a little bit like winamp
[10:55] <winman> NthDegree, I agree :)
[10:55] <J-_> yeah i like the skinning future
[10:55] <J-_> :D
[10:55] <winman> NthDegree, I used to use it before, but then thought probably the world has moved on :)
[10:55] <Aviv> hey all
[10:55] <NthDegree> xmms is still what i use on some of the other distros
[10:56] <winman> installing it ...
[10:56] <J-_> i use it cuz it doesn't hog the resources on my pc
[10:56] <root_> Hiya, can anyone tell me where the Xfce user configuration file is so I can change the resolution?
[10:56] <NthDegree> serge why are you logged in as root?
[10:56] <wiking> on volume control i can find my sound device and select it, but i can't hear any sound from computer. (i can hear what i say in mic)
[10:56] <J-_> lol
[10:56] <wiking> can anybody help me???
[10:57] <serge> because my other useraccount resolution is screwed and it's like <---> that big and i cant see anything to click lol
[10:57] <J-_> ...
[10:57] <ajax4> wiking: Won't know til you ask your question
[10:57] <bbrazil> serge: that's an xorg thing. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-corg
[10:58] <bbrazil> serge: if you just want to decreae resolution, crtl-alt-numpad-
[10:58] <serge> yeah, doesn't work with artl+alt+ "-" "+"
[10:58] <morphix> bbrazil, ok ubuntu now :)
[10:58] <J-_> i've installed codecs for mplayer and it seems that it can't play wma's, any suggestions?
[10:58] <bbrazil> morphix: right, is it a dsl router providing the dhcp?
[10:59] <wiking> on volume control i can find my sound device and select it, but i can't hear any sound from computer. (i can hear what i say in mic)
[10:59] <morphix> bbrazil, yeh
[10:59] <enyc> Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
[10:59] <wiking> ajax4, on volume control i can find my sound device and select it, but i can't hear any sound from computer. (i can hear what i say in mic)
[10:59] <bbrazil> morphix: and the computers are plugged into different ports of it?
[10:59] <morphix> bbrazil, yup
[10:59] <bbrazil> morphix: what's your current ip address?
[11:00] <morphix> ..why would u need that
[11:00] <morphix> <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:00] <ajax4> wiking: What program are you playing sound in?
[11:00] <bbrazil> morphix: because we're going to setup the other one statically
[11:01] <morphix> bbrazil, i already tried.. and i still get no network traffic
[11:01] <wiking> ajax4, cd player
[11:01] <bbrazil> morphix: did lights flash?
[11:01] <nooseisloose> anyone here have a working hostap.conf they'd like to share?
[11:02] <nooseisloose> I have a prism2.5 pci card
[11:02] <morphix> bbrazil, yeh
[11:02] <ajax4> wiking: So you're trying to play an audio CD thru CD Player?
[11:02] <heretician> if i was to install Windows XP on a partitioned drive in my harddrive AFTER ubuntu, would I still be able to use the boot screen that ubuntu has?
[11:02] <nooseisloose> heretician: that's the way I have it at work
[11:02] <bbrazil> morphix: then presumably the hardware works, it must be a config problem somewhere
[11:02] <holycow> heretician, no, you would need to reinstall grub to get ubuntu back
[11:02] <wiking> ajax4, but i can't hear any sound, not just CD
[11:03] <heretician> er whoa
[11:03] <nooseisloose> heretician: oops mybad
[11:03] <bbrazil> morphix: set it up statically again and we'll use tcpdump to see what's happening
[11:03] <ajax4> wiking: You said you could hear what you said in the mic?
[11:03] <heretician> so now that I have ubuntu on my pc and ONLY ubuntu, i cant install WXP without having to reinstall ubuntu for ubuntu to work?
[11:04] <heretician> nothing other than GRUB i could use that would recognize it?
[11:04] <wiking> ajax4, yes
[11:04] <holycow> heretician, you don't haveto reinstall ubuntu, just grub
[11:04] <ajax4> heretician: Its much easier if you install Windows first. Plus Windows XP wouldn't install for me unless it was in the first parition.
[11:04] <edgy> Hi, can any one recommend a commercial email hosting service? better to be related/supporter to open source.
[11:04] <holycow> heretician, technically you should have xp on first, then just drop ubuntu cd in and it will help you setup dual boot properly
[11:04] <morphix> heretician, just have to reinstall grub. because win xp will overwrite the MBR.. which contains grub
[11:04] <ajax4> wiking: Do you have a digital sound cable connecting your cd-rom drive to your soundcard/motherboard?
[11:05] <holycow> heretician, microsoft is of the opinion that only windows is a valid os, thus they really aren't too happy to make your life easy
[11:05] <heretician> so many replies
[11:05] <mikeymike-linux> ubuntu is awesome
[11:05] <heretician> yesh it is
[11:05] <holycow> heretician, that is to say, complain to bill gates, this has nothing to do with ubuntu or linux :)
[11:05] <ajax4> mikeymike-linux: I agree.
[11:05] <mikeymike-linux> you know what the last time i used linux for a long period of time was slackware 8
[11:05] <heretician> holycow, ill call him up right now infact
[11:05] <mikeymike-linux> it was a HUGE adjustment for me coming to ubuntu
[11:05] <mikeymike-linux> but i think i like it
[11:05] <holycow> heretician, cool, tell him i said hi
[11:06] <morphix> bbrazil, erm.. can u tell me what i need to do for tcp because the machine is on the other side of the house.. so i can keep coming back here.
[11:06] <J-_> i like the audio recording approach in teh near future for linux =D
[11:06] <heretician> you and him good friends too?
[11:06] <morphix> tcpdump**
[11:06] <ajax4> heretician: Seriously, I doubt Windows will even install unless its onto the very first partition on the drive.
[11:06] <heretician> Shucks
[11:06] <heretician> has anyone tested this?
[11:06] <mikechml> ajax4: it did for me on my laptop
[11:06] <bbrazil> morphix: ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> up
[11:06] <heretician> theres one!
[11:06] <holycow> mikeymike-linux, yeah, the huge adjustment to freedom is jarring sometimes ... most people think they just want to be simple consumers but once they realize they can actually expand their skills and learn to do more with a sytem they just don't look back
[11:06] <bbrazil> morphix: syntax might be a tad off
[11:06] <morphix> bbrazil, i know how to static assign.. i mean what i need to do with tcpdump
[11:06] <mikeymike-linux> holycow, im loving the packaging
[11:07] <bbrazil> morphix: oh, tcpdump -i eth1
[11:07] <morphix> bbrazil, because i dont want to have to run back and forth between here and there
[11:07] <mikeymike-linux> i didnt have any kind of packaging in slackware.. dependencies were hell
[11:07] <morphix> ok.
[11:07] <ajax4> mikechml: I could not get either XP or 2000 to install unless they were the very first partition. The Windows installer refused. YMMV of course.
[11:07] <bbrazil> morphix: and get it to try pinging the router and the pc
[11:07] <heretician> holycow, thats exactly how it went for me
[11:07] <J-_> suse packaging sucks compared to ubuntu
[11:07] <holycow> heretician, stop asking about testing.  the answer is windows wants to be on the first partition and there is nothing you can do about it.  second microsoft doesn't recognize any other os and won't make your life easy ... so work around the bozos if you want to keep on using their dippy product :)
[11:08] <heretician> holycow: only asked once? :/
[11:08] <ajax4> mikeymike-linux: I came from Mandrake/Mandriva...will never go back :)
[11:08] <holycow> :) a ya, didn't mean to sound like a jerk :)
[11:08] <mikeymike-linux> ajax4, oh you know what i love mandrake
[11:08] <heretician> np hehe
[11:08] <holycow> hehe that came off wrong, sorry :)
[11:08] <mikechml> i installed windows on the 4th partition :/
[11:08] <mikeymike-linux> mandrake was probably the most impressionable on me.. they really had their shit together in my opinion
[11:08] <ajax4> mikechml: What version?
[11:08] <mikeymike-linux> i really dug the import windows fonts
[11:08] <mikeymike-linux> can you do that in ubuntu?
[11:08] <ajax4> mikeymike-linux: really HAD it together...past tense.
[11:08] <mikeymike-linux> right
[11:08] <mikeymike-linux> now its just crap
[11:08] <mikeymike-linux> :(
[11:09] <holycow> !fonts
[11:09] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[11:09] <ubotu> No fonts in flash? Install msttcorefonts, gsfonts, and gsfonts-x11 , No fonts in mplayer? see !mplayer
[11:09] <mikeymike-linux> im saddened to see all these different distros leave man
[11:09] <mikeymike-linux> Red Hat was king
[11:09] <heretician> holycow, well in that case, i'll have to reinstall ubuntu -- i have to keep using their dippy product because the only thing dippy about linux is that it doesn't run what is 50% of my time on the internet, gaming.
[11:09] <heretician> !life
[11:09] <mikeymike-linux> Mandrake had a GREAT hold on the market
[11:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about life - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:09] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: some distros leave? where?
[11:09] <heretician> ^ hehe
[11:09] <holycow> heretician, hey all cool :)
[11:09] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, lol well you know.. kinda fall outa the loop
[11:09] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: but that's great
[11:09] <mikeymike-linux> is it?
[11:09] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: yes
[11:10] <holycow> none of the distros before debian did it right imho
[11:10] <mikeymike-linux> enlighten me
[11:10] <mikeymike-linux> i never used debian
[11:10] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: consistency
[11:10] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, ah yes.. consistency.. the bane of linux existance.haha
[11:10] <holycow> debian did it right, ubuntu is just polishing up debian every 6 months for the desktop experience
[11:10] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: the more people do thing A, the more variations how it's done (wrong or right or ugly)
[11:10] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: you laugh, but this is a very important thing
[11:10] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, very true.. good point my friend
[11:10] <Sionide> urgh.. a samba update just broke my synaptic.. anyone know anything about this?
[11:10] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, oh no i agree with you.. consistency is a big issue with linux
[11:11] <TARZEAU> holycow: debian is still doing alot of things not right
[11:11] <holycow> TARZEAU, for example?
[11:11] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: not just with linux, but more generally with free software
[11:11] <mikeymike-linux> open source in general
[11:11] <TARZEAU> holycow: update-grub is a fucktard, kernels are crap
[11:11] <TARZEAU> holycow: policy for kernels sucks
[11:11] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: no, free software
[11:11] <holycow> i disagree
[11:11] <mikeymike-linux> im amazed at the kernel releases now
[11:11] <holycow> i like debian kernel, i don't see a problem with grub
[11:11] <mikeymike-linux> its like every few days
[11:11] <holycow> and i don't see a problem with consistency really
[11:12] <mikeymike-linux> i wont lie.. i truly miss slackware... times were simpler then........
[11:12] <TARZEAU> holycow: update-grub is a piece of shit (the script)
[11:12] <TARZEAU> holycow: tried setting a password (locks)?
[11:12] <holycow> people that have a problem with consistency really want a mac, not a free os imho
[11:12] <TARZEAU> holycow: or having bsd partitions?
[11:12] <TARZEAU> holycow: or used d-i with nextstep paritionts?
[11:12] <mikeymike-linux> holycow, i just bought a mac :)
[11:12] <mikeymike-linux> mac mini intel solo core
[11:12] <nooseisloose> has a mac
[11:12] <mikeymike-linux> wireless kb and mouse (bluetooth)
[11:12] <TARZEAU> holycow: debian support of hardware is very bad
[11:12] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, how do you like it? what can i expect from it?
[11:13] <holycow> TARZEAU, 1. update-grub ... okay so what, lots of free software sucks, so whats your point?
[11:13] <mikeymike-linux> this is my very first mac.
[11:13] <TARZEAU> holycow: i backport libsane, i backport kernels, i import intel.com drivers into current latest kernels
[11:13] <ajax4> Yeah there's inconsistencies but its getting better all the time. Lots of inconsistencies with the different versions of Windows over the years too.
[11:13] <holycow> 2. d-i, no not used next step, never needed to, if it sucks i'll hire someone to fix it
[11:13] <TARZEAU> holycow: that alot of software is not tested well, nor being fixed for issues that are reported
[11:13] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, what does that mean you backport all those things?
[11:13] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: yes, we run 150 workstations
[11:13] <holycow> 2. debian support for hardware? yhour joking? best support of most distros bar none
[11:13] <Lynoure> TARZEAU: without having corporate money to throw at it, and without companies releasing specs, not much can be done about the hw support.
[11:13] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: with debian. and we have hardware, 20 machines of last week
[11:13] <bbrazil> TARZEAU: aren't/weren't you a #debian regular?
[11:13] <holycow> 3. backporting? for real? who does something that insane?
[11:13] <TARZEAU> Lynoure: intel.com drivers work, and they come with full source
[11:13] <mikeymike-linux> what is backporting?
[11:14] <TARZEAU> Lynoure: really THAT is not the point with intel nics
[11:14] <TARZEAU> Lynoure: it's just kernel.org are too slow, so are distributions with kernels
[11:14] <holycow> 4. testing, well you see its a community distro, feel free to chip in or start a company that offers paid support contracts and has staff for testing
[11:14] <ra7eeel> hi there
[11:14] <ra7eeel> any one can help me
[11:14] <TARZEAU> holycow: ? we have scanners that are half a year old, that are not supported since one year in debian stable
[11:14] <ajax4> mikeymike-linux: Backporting = putting changes from newer releases back into older ones.
[11:14] <Lynoure> TARZEAU: So, what's your plan for fixing it?
[11:14] <TARZEAU> Lynoure: we fix it for ourselves.
[11:14] <holycow> TARZEAU, your poitns are completely valid, but ONLY for you ... it's kinda important that you properly qualify your statement
[11:14] <ra7eeel> plz send me private messege
[11:14] <holycow> as probably should i :)
[11:15] <TARZEAU> Lynoure: reporting to the people that can fix it in the real place, they just ignore me
[11:15] <ajax4> ra7eeel: Ask your question in the main channel window.
[11:15] <holycow> TARZEAU, so what?
[11:15] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: mine's an older 68k, love it, for what it does, it just works, first thing I did was put 1G of ram in it, and after that no complaints (keeping in mind that it's basically a laptop)  It's quiet, and just works.  I guess only complaint is the DVD drive sometimes won't read a disc that my sony dvd writer will
[11:15] <mikeymike-linux> ajax4, can you get a little more in detail
[11:15] <TARZEAU> Lynoure: you can't update packages that are maintained by others in debian
[11:15] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, 68k?
[11:15] <TARZEAU> holycow: so linux is a problem, and it's not perfectly suitable for workstations
[11:15] <Lynoure> TARZEAU: So, are you publishing the fixes, too?
[11:15] <holycow> TARZEAU, for you, it is for me
[11:15] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: sorry PPC
[11:15] <TARZEAU> there's another funny inconsistency in uhci/ohci usb drivers
[11:15] <TARZEAU> Lynoure: yes i am
[11:15] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, oh okay power pc
[11:15] <holycow> TARZEAU, it is for about 6 regular users i support from whom i get 0 phone calls
[11:16] <TARZEAU> holycow: that's nice for you
[11:16] <holycow> TARZEAU, and i'm in the process of switching 200 corporate desktops to ubuntu
[11:16] <TARZEAU> holycow: i want to see you with 600 users, and a WIDE variety of hardware
[11:16] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, i hope im not disappointed in this little mac :)
[11:16] <holycow> TARZEAU, no problem at all, infact its a cinch
[11:16] <TARZEAU> holycow: and they need what software? our installs have 14 GB software
[11:16] <holycow> TARZEAU, infact i don't even haveto test, i install on hd, send hd's out
[11:16] <holycow> its that simple
[11:16] <TARZEAU> holycow: so you just sell hardware, and don't support software
[11:16] <TARZEAU> holycow: that's completely a different thing
[11:16] <holycow> no, support software, train users
[11:16] <holycow> not at all
[11:17] <J-_> are SoC projects/updates finished yet?
[11:17] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: I like it because it is small and quiet, and goes well with my Klipsch Cornwalls, and 100W JVC
[11:17] <TARZEAU> holycow: i wonder for how long they'll be using free software
[11:17] <holycow> you have an opinion that is simply only valid for you, just qualify it as that
[11:17] <ZorK> I need help installing ubuntu, if anyone is up for it ..
[11:17] <TARZEAU> openoffice is another big issue
[11:17] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, is this a mac mini we're talking about or a laptop?
[11:17] <mikeymike-linux> or what?
[11:17] <holycow> TARZEAU, process is alread going for 2 years, great success for us
[11:17] <holycow> infact
[11:17] <TARZEAU> k3b autoconfiguration
[11:17] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: but I even played Warcraft on it for about a year, PVP was a blit slow in big raids the mac mini
[11:17] <holycow> openoffice is one of the big successes, it has saved us a lot of problems on super large documents
[11:18] <TARZEAU> holycow: nice to hear. it's not like we are not successfull, we are, but still many problems can't be fixed by system admins/software experts
[11:18] <TARZEAU> holycow: 1 or 2?
[11:18] <ZorK> Can anyone help me please? please PM me
[11:18] <ajax4> mikeymike-linux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backporting
[11:18] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, ah okay...
[11:18] <holycow> TARZEAU, 2
[11:18] <mikeymike-linux> ajax4, thanks i will read that
[11:18] <ajax4> ZorK: Ask your question in main channel.
[11:18] <TARZEAU> holycow: you don't use NFS i guess
[11:18] <bbrazil> ZorK: just ask your question
[11:18] <TARZEAU> holycow: they've got some broken lock handling
[11:18] <ra7eeel> hay friends. i am new to linux environment, need your help and support
[11:18] <holycow> TARZEAU, no, why would i using something like that?
[11:18] <J-_> abiword is a good word processor =D
[11:18] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: I was comparing it's hardware is roughly == a laptops specs, at the time
[11:18] <ajax4> ra7eeel: What is your question?
[11:18] <TARZEAU> holycow: oh well, no comment here
[11:18] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, gotcha
[11:18] <TARZEAU> and cups gnome browsing is one issue too
[11:19] <holycow> nfs isn't really designed for our company, we are very highly geographically distributed
[11:19] <TARZEAU> holycow: you've got printers?
[11:19] <Sionide> see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=214848 to fix recent samba update issues
[11:19] <holycow> yep
[11:19] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, this intel core is supposed to be like 40% faster than your g4 mini right?
[11:19] <mikeymike-linux> solo
[11:19] <holycow> no problem there either, all hp
[11:19] <TARZEAU> holycow: more than one city?
[11:19] <holycow> scanners, no prob
[11:19] <ra7eeel> any one can give me an advise ??
[11:19] <holycow> more than one city?
[11:19] <holycow> 70 cities
[11:19] <TARZEAU> holycow: i see
[11:19] <holycow> errr 70 offices
[11:19] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: I never believe that crap, until I see it
[11:19] <ra7eeel> oka
[11:19] <TARZEAU> holycow: we're distributed too, in one city, and workers worldwide
[11:19] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, supposedly it is better though?
[11:19] <holycow> more like 45 cities or so
[11:19] <ra7eeel> ajax4
[11:19] <TARZEAU> holycow: afs for worldwide and ssh
[11:19] <TARZEAU> holycow: nfs for the same city
[11:19] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, i can also install windows on it if i wanted to :0
[11:19] <ra7eeel> listen my friend
[11:20] <J-_> SoC projects/updates finsihed for the year?
[11:20] <TARZEAU> holycow: i miss OPENSTEP
[11:20] <mikeymike-linux> i kinda want to install windows on my mini .. that would be cool
[11:20] <holycow> TARZEAU, i'm not happy with either of those options, i'm looking at ifolder a little more closely for the next stage
[11:20] <ra7eeel> i want to migrate from windows environment
[11:20] <ra7eeel> to linux
[11:20] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, have you ever used a NEXT computer?
[11:20] <TARZEAU> holycow: it's not like i'm happy with afs etc either ;)
[11:20] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: yes, i still do
[11:20] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: have you?
[11:20] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, how is it? i want to use one
[11:20] <mgs2980> ra7 linux is ok but has its downfals:P
[11:20] <ra7eeel> and i am very confused ....... there is alot of distro in linux...
[11:20] <mikeymike-linux> never in my life have i
[11:20] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: it's fantastic
[11:20] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: not even osx beats it, if you ask me
[11:20] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: I am over windows, not gonna bash, but I am so over it
[11:20] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, can i ahve yours? :)
[11:21] <ZorK> well.. I've downloaded Ubuntu Live CD, and now I run it, and I clicked the install thingy on the desktop .. I filled in the 4 parts, but the 6th, the one where you need to prepare mount points, is going wrong for me .. I have 6  harddiscs, I got a new one, with 15gb to install Ubunto on. It finds them all. But if i just choose / for the 15gb hdd, it says that it needs the mount points for the other harddrives .. but i dont want ubuntu to touch the
[11:21] <ra7eeel> and i really dont know anything abut the new O.S
[11:21] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: you can find openstep iso images that work on i386/sparc hardware
[11:21] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, im way too dependant on windows still....... i play games like CounterStrike Source
[11:21] <holycow> TARZEAU, our approach is a distributed botnet ... long term anyway, short term we hack in solutions as we bring ubuntu to the desktop
[11:21] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: that should be no problem to install on. look for version 4.2
[11:21] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: or check out gnustep
[11:21] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, this would be almost exactly the same as NEXT?
[11:21] <mgs2980> im using ubuntu atm ve found sertain bugs with it but its ok for a back up when windows screws over :P
[11:21] <dbe> ra7eeel, It's GNU/Linux distributions not Linux distributions
[11:21] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: OPENSTEP IS software from NeXT
[11:21] <ajax4> dbe: Don't be pedantic
[11:21] <ic56> ta7eeel: Ubuntu is a good choice for a Linux novie looking for a GUI desktop system on reasonably (P-III or better) hardware
[11:22] <dbe> ajax4, I'm not.
[11:22] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: gnustep is NOT exactly as NeXT, but it's a clone, and it's getting better
[11:22] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, nice... its installation is similar to unix/linux?
[11:22] <ic56> ra7eeel: Ubuntu is a good choice for a Linux novie looking for a GUI desktop system on reasonably (P-III or better) hardware
[11:22] <lani> Hi, I hope someone can help me: I'm running ubuntu on my laptop right now (Dapper), but I'd like to do a clean install of Dapper from scratch. I've got a liveCD, but it won't boot off it on startup just goes on to load my current install. Can you help?
[11:22] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, are you referring to windowmaker?
[11:22] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: development wise, yes there's several project that have been ported to GNUstep
[11:22] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: no windowmaker is just the same look
[11:22] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: with some inconsistencies and bugs
[11:22] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: i'm talking TimeMon.app for example
[11:22] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, hmm
[11:22] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: TextEdit.app
[11:22] <mikeymike-linux> i would like to check that out
[11:22] <mikeymike-linux> i've always wanted to use a NEXT box
[11:22] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: go ahead do it
[11:23] <nooseisloose> lani: is your bios set to boot from CD?
[11:23] <mikeymike-linux> :) i think i will
[11:23] <mikeymike-linux> 4.2 eh?
[11:23] <ZorK> Could anyone help me?
[11:23] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: yeah, the mirrors i had, went offline
[11:23] <mikeymike-linux> it installs similar to linux?
[11:23] <lani> nooseisloose: I can't figure out how to get into BIOS
[11:23] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: no the install is much better
[11:23] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: more like mac os x install
[11:23] <ic56> ZorK: ask your question
[11:23] <ZorK> well.. I've downloaded Ubuntu Live CD, and now I run it, and I clicked the install thingy on the desktop .. I filled in the 4 parts, but the 6th, the one where you need to prepare mount points, is going wrong for me .. I have 6  harddiscs, I got a new one, with 15gb to install Ubunto on. It finds them all. But if i just choose / for the 15gb hdd, it says that it needs the mount points for the other harddrives .. but i dont want ubuntu to touch the
[11:23] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: there's a few tricks you need to know, and floppies for i386
[11:23] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, never installed mac osx before :( however i imagine it to be easy
[11:23] <ra7eeel> can we talk in private IC56
[11:23] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: there's two iso images (all fat binaries)
[11:23] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: check out the next step steve jobs video (google)
[11:23] <ra7eeel> if you dont mind ??
[11:23] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, okay
[11:23] <lani> nooseisloose: it's a laptop and it doesn't give me an option to go into bios
[11:23] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: feel free to ask me when you got the iso images
[11:23] <dbe> ra7eeel, I can aswer many of your questions.
[11:24] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, so once i get these iso's i'll have to put them on floppies?
[11:24] <nooseisloose> lani: what kind of laptop?
[11:24] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: no
[11:24] <ra7eeel> DBE
[11:24] <holycow> i never really got the whole 'consistency' argument ever.  there is no such thing as consistency, software isn't a product its a process
[11:24] <poje> Okay, after using ndiswrapper to install the drivers for my wifi card but scanning is still turning up jack
[11:24] <ra7eeel> thank you
[11:24] <poje> -but
[11:24] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: if you want to install it on a i386 computer, you need two floppy boot+driver images that i can give you
[11:24] <lani> nooseisloose: Asus z33a with Intel processort
[11:24] <holycow> there are degrees towards whatever nazi like system might be called consistency
[11:24] <ra7eeel> but could you plz talk in private
[11:24] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: for sparc,hppa,m68k they can boot from cd
[11:24] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, ah ok
[11:24] <holycow> i really like linux and its freewheeling ways ... lets lots of ideas be tested
[11:24] <nooseisloose> lani: give me a few sec, I don't have one here
[11:24] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: bear in mind, this is software from 1989-1994
[11:24] <mikeymike-linux> i386 = any intel up to current?
[11:25] <TARZEAU> there were also openstep ports for on solaris and windows nt/2k/xp
[11:25] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: no, the drivers don't work for after p3/p4
[11:25] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, so i need an old box lol to install this on... haha
[11:25] <mikeymike-linux> oh wait i gave that away
[11:25] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: yes and it'll run MUCH better than linux on a computer with 32mb memory
[11:25] <mikeymike-linux> :-P
[11:25] <holycow> i personally wanna find an ancient lisp box to play with, just for th ehell of it
[11:25] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: it's got a mach microkernel and display postscript
[11:25] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, nice
[11:26] <mikeymike-linux> for early 90's thats pretty good
[11:26] <TARZEAU> you can get some old sparc hardware maybe?
[11:26] <mikeymike-linux> late 80's
[11:26] <mikeymike-linux> you know what
[11:26] <holycow> mikeymike-linux, hehehe, its probably a better idea to take tarzeaus opinion with a grain of salt.  its not wrong but its not exactly right either
[11:26] <holycow> :)
[11:26] <mikeymike-linux> another peculiar system that interests me are the SGI's
[11:26] <mikeymike-linux> my first and only encounter was a Indigo 2
[11:26] <poje> How can I disable the acx driver that's going by default?
[11:26] <mikeymike-linux> holycow, :)
[11:26] <ZorK> well.. I've downloaded Ubuntu Live CD, and now I run it, and I clicked the install thingy on the desktop .. I filled in the 4 parts, but the 6th, the one where you need to prepare mount points, is going wrong for me .. I have 6  harddiscs, I got a new one, with 15gb to install Ubunto on. It finds them all. But if i just choose / for the 15gb hdd, it says that it needs the mount points for the other harddrives .. but i dont want ubuntu to touch the
[11:26] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: i've got a few sgi's here, you can have one (europe/switzerland)
[11:27] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, ??
[11:27] <TARZEAU> if you want to try sgi+irix
[11:27] <mikeymike-linux> im not sure i udnerstand what u mean i can have one europe switzerland?
[11:27] <TARZEAU> i don't like them
[11:27] <TARZEAU> you can have a box
[11:27] <mikeymike-linux> what boxes are they?
[11:27] <mikeymike-linux> oh ur in SWITZERLAND
[11:27] <mikeymike-linux> i get it
[11:27] <NthDegree> ZorK you tell it not to touch the other hard drives and their partitions specifically
[11:27] <TARZEAU> i've also got sparc,alpha,hppa and powerpc
[11:27] <holycow> tarsier, l33t
[11:27] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, indigo's?/2?
[11:27] <NthDegree> you must explicitly tell the installer
[11:27] <holycow> TARZEAU, even
[11:27] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: mips o2 r10k and iris indigo
[11:27] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, what was the SGI with the case that opens in the front a black case
[11:28] <mikeymike-linux> a door on the front
[11:28] <mikeymike-linux> basically
[11:28] <mikeymike-linux> it was superior to the indigo 2
[11:28] <ZorK> Can anyone, who have spare time, PM me please. I need help!
[11:28] <holycow> TARZEAU, those alphas back in the day were wicked
[11:28] <TARZEAU> holycow: at least they were 64bit since ever
[11:28] <TARZEAU> holycow: as like mips
[11:28] <ajax4> ZorK: I am
[11:28] <holycow> back when everyone was 16 bit too
[11:28] <ic56> ZorK: if you don't supply mountpoints for the other drives, then Ubuntu won't be able to *see* them.  Specifying the mountpoints won't cause Ubuntu to touch the drives -- only to configure itself so you can see the drives from within Ubuntu (thus giving you the option to read files from them)
[11:28] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, can i have the o2 :)
[11:29] <holycow> just turning 32 bit
[11:29] <TARZEAU> holycow: not that 16 bit was bad. amiga was fantastic too
[11:29] <holycow> TARZEAU, ah now i see where you are coming from, lol that makes sense :)
[11:29] <holycow> yes indeed
[11:29] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: hehe no i'm hoping for it to run linux on the local hd (incld. booting) one day
[11:29] <TARZEAU> holycow: hm? from where?
[11:29] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, besides the o2 you have an indigo and what else?
[11:29] <nooseisloose> lani: did you ever get to see the bios version as it went by?
[11:29] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: these two. and a bunch of sparc pizza boxen
[11:30] <ZorK> ic56: So what should i call them? swap, /, /home, /boot, /usr, /var ?
[11:30] <mikeymike-linux> haha
[11:30] <holycow> TARZEAU, well i'm thinking that as an amiga user you have a certain perspective onthings :)
[11:30] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: and a bunch of compaq desktops that can run OPENSTEP
[11:30] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, find me an indigo2
[11:30] <mikeymike-linux> :)
[11:30] <TARZEAU> holycow: sure ;)
[11:30] <mikeymike-linux> and that mysterious black SGI with the door front that opens up
[11:30] <mikeymike-linux> i was really young
[11:30] <mikeymike-linux> when i encountered these
[11:30] <ra7eeel> so , how could i replace the windows 2003 with all the services on it and go to ubuntu ?
[11:30] <mikeymike-linux> in a room there was an indigo 2 and that black sgi box
[11:30] <ra7eeel> and is this distro is the best ?
[11:30] <mikeymike-linux> they were netowrked and playing doom 2 lol
[11:30] <morphix> bbrazil, i did tcpdump.. didnt tell anything unusual for pings
[11:31] <NthDegree> ZorK you mount drives you DONT want it to touch under things like /mnt/personal or /mnt/borkeddisk1
[11:31] <morphix> bbrazil, i still cant get an IP tho :(
[11:31] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: how about two indigo ones?
[11:31] <lani> nooseisloose: I don't think I saw it though I might have missed it, I can check if it's important
[11:31] <holycow> ra7eeel, the answer to that question is probably not best answered here, it requires a good amount of system and needs analysis to properly answer
[11:31] <ra7eeel> what about the business environment ?
[11:31] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, you have?
[11:31] <orangos> hello...can anyone help with a USB wireless problem please?
[11:31] <TARZEAU> http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/images/img/img0040.gif
[11:31] <ic56> ZorK: /home /boot /var and those others are filesystems that are *used* by Ubuntu (though you've chosen to have all of Ubuntu as a single filesystem, so these will be ordinary directories rather tahn separate filesystems)
[11:31] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: yes
[11:31] <TARZEAU> these sgi are fun....
[11:31] <bbrazil> morphix: run 'arp' on the current system. Does it show anything for the other?
[11:31] <TARZEAU> with rear-warming seats
[11:31] <dbe> ra7eeel, It's even better in GNOME.
[11:31] <ra7eeel> holycow
[11:31] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, those look like the towers from ANTI-TRUST
[11:31] <mikeymike-linux> have you seen that movie?
[11:31] <mikeymike-linux> lol
[11:31] <ra7eeel> plz advise
[11:31] <ra7eeel> and give me a hint
[11:31] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: not the movie, but i've sat on such sgi boxes
[11:31] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, you want to give them away to me ? :)
[11:32] <ra7eeel> where from i must start
[11:32] <ra7eeel> ?
[11:32] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, what are those anyway?
[11:32] <dbe> ra7eeel, Did you see that I just sended you a PM?
[11:32] <ra7eeel> i am very confused ?
[11:32] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: computers?
[11:32] <holycow> ra7eeel, there really is no 'best' distro, there is however research, your needs, the skills in  your organization, future planning and provisioning to take into account ....
[11:32] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, lol yes what are they?
[11:32] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: how far will I have to ship em?
[11:32] <ra7eeel> no sorry i didnt see
[11:32] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: sgi
[11:32] <ajax4> ZorK: I have been PMing you
[11:32] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, where do you live?
[11:32] <Lynoure> ra7eeel: Just try one, and see what you think
[11:32] <holycow> ra7eeel, well you first start with a) why are you running win2k3
[11:32] <mikeymike-linux> TARZEAU, i gather they were SGI
[11:32] <ZorK> ic56: Yes, but if i dont have anything in the checkbox, and just choose / with the 15gb, it says: "No mount point selected for ....." <- and then come all the drives
[11:32] <holycow> then b) what services it is offering your clients
[11:32] <lani> nooseisloose: I installed ubuntu straight away when I bought the computer and it had no trouble booting off cd then
[11:32] <holycow> c) what are your future it plans roughly
[11:33] <holycow> d) then you map those needs onto linux and work the solution backwards to the software
[11:33] <ic56> ZorK: NthDegree's advice to you also applies.
[11:33] <holycow> that will give you a rought idea
[11:33] <holycow> BUT
[11:33] <nooseisloose> lani: oh so you have got it to boot from CD?
[11:33] <mikeymike-linux> SGI has the neatest logo
[11:33] <mikeymike-linux> lol
[11:33] <ra7eeel> oka i an runnung win2003 coz i have knowledge in this field
[11:33] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: i like NeXT one better
[11:33] <nooseisloose> lani: have you made sure you have a good boot cd?
[11:33] <TARZEAU> mikeymike-linux: and amiga one too
[11:33] <mikeymike-linux> NEXT is cool too
[11:33] <ra7eeel> i can handel problem
[11:33] <lani> nooseisloose: when I installed OS originally
[11:33] <holycow> ideally you want to have the skills to do this, or if you are using this to gain the analytical skills prepare to invest time to upgrade your skills
[11:33] <mikeymike-linux> SGI is much more clean to me though...
[11:33] <mikeymike-linux> no words.. no letters.. just a shape
[11:34] <nooseisloose> lani: do you still have that cd?
[11:34] <ra7eeel> build network services  from scratch
[11:34] <ra7eeel> this is why
[11:34] <mikeymike-linux> thank god for SGI we have one thing good from them....... OPEN GL
[11:34] <mikeymike-linux> lol
[11:34] <lani> nooseisloose: It seems ok, when I login it mounts automatically and asks me if I want to run package manager
[11:34] <vaka> I get the error "Gdk-CRITICAL **:gdk_window_show: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed" when I run my ruby script using the GTK
[11:34] <holycow> ra7eeel, generally speaking all linuxes are the same because basically all packages are available on all distros
[11:34] <ic56> ZorK: you need to specify a mountpoint that *isn't* in the menu -- just type it in.  A good choice is things like: /media/music-drive or /media/drive1
[11:34] <lani> nooseisloose: hmm, now that I think of it, I might, I'll go try boot off it
[11:34] <nooseisloose> lani: so what's the problem?
[11:35] <dbe> ra7eeel, Define `best'? Freedom? That it is technical superior?
[11:35] <holycow> ra7eeel, whether or not ubuntu or debian or redhat or suse or whatever is right for your needs requires quite a bit of research
[11:35] <lani> nooseisloose: I want a fresh system install
[11:35] <mikeymike-linux> isn't it wild that SGI purchased cray...
[11:35] <lani> nooseisloose: instead it boots into current installation and offers to run package manager
[11:35] <holycow> there is too much to consider for a simple answer, i think the steps i gave you will point to the rest of the steps you need to take to find a satisfactory solution
[11:35] <ZorK> back
[11:36] <nooseisloose> lani: ok, lets please make sure the thing boots to a known good boot cd, even a windows one
[11:36] <ic56> ra7eel: which network services do you need anyway?
[11:36] <ZorK> PM me againg
[11:36] <dbe> ra7eeel, http://sovix.org/dbe/comparsion_of_free_software_operating_systems might give you a hit.
[11:36] <holycow> ra7eeel, i will only offer one guiding idea:  software is not a product it is a process.  never expect a solution, only expect a step in th eprocess of finding a better solution
[11:36] <mikeymike-linux> hey nooseisloose you never told me where doy ou live? united states?
[11:36] <mikeymike-linux> i'm in the U.S.
[11:36] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: SGI have the best looking cases
[11:36] <mikeymike-linux> southern
[11:36] <nooseisloose> Texas
[11:36] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, yes they do
[11:36] <a2xm> hi, can someone help me with fstab?
[11:36] <mikeymike-linux> wow texas eh?
[11:36] <mikeymike-linux> i am in Louisiana :)
[11:36] <mikeymike-linux> hello neighbor
[11:36] <mikeymike-linux> :D
[11:36] <lani> nooseisloose: be back in a few
[11:36] <ajax4> a2xm: Whats your fstab question?
[11:36] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: howdy neighbor,
[11:36] <ra7eeel> holycow> what i need to replace for example the mail server ??
[11:36] <R1cky> what's up?
[11:36] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, DFW area?
[11:37] <mikeymike-linux> harris county?
[11:37] <nooseisloose> everyone else: I will shoot you in  the face
[11:37] <mikeymike-linux> lol
[11:37] <nooseisloose> Houston
[11:37] <ra7eeel> and what is the first step should i do
[11:37] <ra7eeel> ??
[11:37] <holycow> ra7eeel, lots of options, you can check out zimbra, openxchange, tons and tons of projects out there
[11:37] <vaka> I get the error "Gdk-CRITICAL **:gdk_window_show: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed" when I run my ruby that uses GTK, how can I fix it?
[11:37] <mikeymike-linux> oh now what are the chances of you being in houston.......
[11:37] <mikeymike-linux> thats great!
[11:37] <R1cky> houstin we have a problem
[11:37] <mikeymike-linux> i live in southwest louisiana
[11:37] <mikeymike-linux> near lake charles
[11:37] <mikeymike-linux> :)
[11:37] <mikeymike-linux> how sweet is that
[11:37] <mikeymike-linux> haha
[11:37] <holycow> ra7eeel, you can build your own smtp/imap solution from scratch and each of those has dozens of options
[11:37] <a2xm> ajax4: my dvdrom can't auto mount like in 5.10
[11:37] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: come and get em, I don't know if the boot, havent tried in years
[11:37] <holycow> ra7eeel, you can setup your own frontend for your own smtp/imap solution as well ...
[11:38] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, are they indigo? or indigo2's?
[11:38] <a2xm> ajax4: also my others partisions
[11:38] <nooseisloose> Indigo
[11:38] <mikeymike-linux> do you know the difference between the 2 because i surely dont
[11:38] <a2xm> ajax4: before when using 5.10 was no problems
[11:38] <ajax4> a2xm: Put a copy of your fstab on pastebin and give the URL
[11:38] <ajax4> !pastebin
[11:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:38] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: yeah one sec
[11:39] <holycow> ra7eeel, sorry that i cant give you 1 solution, this is i.t. ... processes do not easily lend them selves to single solution products, you need to think about building modular systems that you can grow as your needs grow
[11:39] <ic56> ra7eeel: are you looking for a free OS to run on your server or one to use as your desktop?  You don't need the overhead of a GUI to run a mail server.
[11:39] <a2xm> ajax4: ok, just seconds
[11:39] <vaka> how can I set the screen for GtkWindow in a Ruby script?
[11:39] <ZorK> ic56
[11:39] <holycow> vaka, #ruby should know
[11:39] <ic56> Yes, ZorK?
[11:39] <ZorK> did you answer to my pm?
[11:39] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: Indy 2 were ugly green and lay on their side, but were awesome back in the day Indigo are short and fat, and stand up
[11:40] <nooseisloose> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&q=sgi%20indigo&btnG=Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
[11:40] <ra7eeel> my friends why you treat me like an expert with linux ?? i never used it befor
[11:40] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, oh ok
[11:40] <mikeymike-linux> ah okay
[11:40] <ic56> ZorK: I thought I did.  Which PM?
[11:40] <ZorK> ic56: because i think i can recieve :/
[11:40] <mikeymike-linux> the one i recall was a teal colored skinny workstation that stood on its side
 NthDegree's advice to you also applies.
 can you copy it in?
 u there?
 i did it all now, entered the drives manually ..
[11:40] <holycow> ra7eeel, i'm not treating you like an expert, your asking a specific question, i'm telling you you are asking the wrong question and giving you a process to find your answer
[11:40] <nooseisloose> Don't DONT buy an O2 unless you find onet someone got them working
[11:40] <mikeymike-linux> and i dont know what the other one was.. but it had a door for the front of the case
[11:41] <mikeymike-linux> and it was dark
[11:41] <mikeymike-linux> almost black maybe
[11:41] <holycow> ra7eeel, i would recommend perhaps writing down the steps i gave you and starting with google?
[11:41] <holycow> i.t. is a big world
[11:41] <mikeymike-linux> as a joke someone put the HAL 9000 RED EYE on the door
[11:41] <mikeymike-linux> lol
[11:41] <mikeymike-linux> it was cool
[11:41] <nooseisloose> mine are dark blue
[11:41] <ra7eeel> oka dear holycow
[11:41] <holycow> :)
[11:41] <a2xm> ajax4: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18061
[11:41] <ra7eeel> what is the right questions for a beginner
[11:41] <ra7eeel> :)
[11:41] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, http://retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/indigo2.jpg thats the one
[11:41] <nooseisloose> ha ha at hal,  some indy 2 were purple too
[11:41] <dbe> ra7eeel, What do you want to do?
[11:41] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, that is the one i first ever encountered
[11:41] <a2xm> ajax4: it seems there's a connection with mtab too eh?
[11:41] <ra7eeel> oka
[11:41] <mikeymike-linux> first and last actually..........
[11:42] <ic56> ZorK: NthDegree's advice was: <NthDegree> ZorK you mount drives you DONT want it to touch under things like   /mnt/personal or /mnt/borkeddisk1
[11:42] <mikeymike-linux> what i wouldn't give to go back in time
[11:42] <holycow> ra7eeel, never mind the question any more, you asked it, i gave you the way ... now go and google :)
[11:42] <mikeymike-linux> i was like maybe 15 then
[11:42] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: yeah r10000 I think
[11:42] <ra7eeel> all i am dearm with , migrat the existing services with linux service
[11:42] <ZorK> ic56: So i make it up, with the drives that it shouldnt touch .. i just write something, like /windows-drive  ??
[11:42] <holycow> right, i told you how to figure that out
[11:42] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, woah i think you're right
[11:43] <mikeymike-linux> r1000 looks like it
[11:43] <a2xm> ajax4: i'll give u the mtab too
[11:43] <mikeymike-linux> are those good boxes?
[11:43] <ra7eeel> like change domino mail server to qmail,postfix ,....
[11:43] <nooseisloose> they were
[11:43] <vaka> how can I set the screen for GtkWindow in a Ruby script that uses GTK?
[11:43] <mikeymike-linux> i got to play doom2 on one with the indigo 2
[11:43] <mikeymike-linux> lol
[11:43] <dbe> ra7eeel, Which softwares are you using in Windows?
[11:43] <ra7eeel> i have no firewall
[11:43] <a2xm> ajax4: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18062
[11:43] <holycow> ra7eeel, domino is also an ldap server, an application server and many other servers
[11:43] <nooseisloose>  mikeymike-linux: what about bzflag?
[11:43] <ra7eeel> i wanna build a firewall till i get a cisco PIX
[11:43] <mikeymike-linux> haha yes!
[11:43] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, what about that tank game
[11:43] <mikeymike-linux> i forget the name
[11:43] <ic56> ZorK: exactly.  You make up something meaningful to you.  A good choice is /media/windows-drive  That's because things under /media will appear directly under the "computer" menu entry which most people coming from Windows seem to like
[11:43] <holycow> ra7eeel, you cannot just replace domino server, i gave you the steps to research, why arent you googling laredy?
[11:44] <nooseisloose>  mikeymike-linux: BZFLAG!
[11:44] <mikeymike-linux> is that bzflag?
[11:44] <mikeymike-linux> haha
[11:44] <mikeymike-linux> mannnnnnn
[11:44] <ZorK> ic56: Great thanks, now i understand it :D Will see if it works!
[11:44] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: I still play sometiems
[11:44] <ic56> ZorK: yw!
[11:44] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, haha on what
[11:44] <nooseisloose> ubuntu
[11:44] <mikeymike-linux> lol
[11:44] <mikeymike-linux> sweet
[11:44] <dbe> ra7eeel, You mean that you want to set rules for the firewall.
[11:44] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: mac, anything
[11:45] <mikeymike-linux> hey is there a shortcut key to open a new tab in firefox?
[11:45] <mikeymike-linux> like CTRL N or something of that nature
[11:45] <nooseisloose> ctrl T
[11:45] <mikeymike-linux> thanks
[11:45] <mikeymike-linux> wow
[11:45] <mikeymike-linux> you know how long its been since i played bzflag
[11:45] <dbe> ra7eeel, If Ubuntu using iptables I might can help you.
[11:45] <mikeymike-linux> i could NOT remember the name of it
[11:45] <holycow> ra7eeel, if you want a firewall i strongly urge you to actually buy one ... something like astaro is pretty good, lots of debian based ones too
[11:45] <mikeymike-linux> that was over 10 years ago
[11:45] <mikeymike-linux> well maybe almost 10 years
[11:45] <mikeymike-linux> im 24 now
[11:45] <holycow> ra7eeel, building your own firewall to get to something like pix will require millions of dollars and lots an dlots of engineering
[11:46] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: first 3d game multiplayer ever probably
[11:46] <mikeymike-linux> haha
[11:46] <mikeymike-linux> no doubt
[11:46] <mikeymike-linux> doom 2 was more fun on them though
[11:46] <ic56> dbe: you missed teh beginning: ra7eeel doesn't have any Linux installed -- just considering options
[11:46] <dbe> ic56, Ok.
[11:46] <mikeymike-linux> gosh its bringing back memories haha
[11:47] <ompaul> mikeymike-linux, please put all your comments on one line, using the enter key in place of a comma in not good, cheers
[11:47] <ra7eeel> what r this options ?
[11:47] <ajax4> a2xm: Are you having problems with cdrom? Or just the dvdrom?
[11:47] <dbe> ic56, I'm not using Ubuntu, does it use iptables?
[11:47] <a2xm> ajax4: right now is just dvdrom
[11:48] <lani> nooseisloose: it didn't load off this CD either
[11:48] <lani> nooseisloose: and doesn't print any BIOS into
[11:48] <lani> nooseisloose: info*
[11:48] <nitrt> what /dev/xxxx would a usb adsl modem be assigned when plugged in?
[11:48] <ajax4> a2xm: Type this and send me the results in PM: ls -l /dev/hd*
[11:49] <TyeDye> i've installed quake4 and can run the game if I click on the file and tell it to run but I can't run it from the command line,it says bash: quake4: command not found,any ideas why I can't run from terminal??
[11:49] <ic56> dbe: yes, Ubuntu has /sbin/iptables , from which I presume that the rest of the functionality is there.  However, I have not used it -- the ubuntu box doesn't act as my firewall
[11:49] <ompaul>  waky there is a pm there for you cheers (d'oh ;-))
[11:49] <nitrt> hi, id like to know what /dev/xxxx (folder) would a usb adsl modem be assigned when plugged in?
[11:50] <msyg|sleepy> ompaul  and you have the answer
[11:50] <filemover> whats the best irc client for ubuntu Ive just had a look at xchat but is there anything else available
[11:50] <mikeymike-linux> ketsugi, omg that one bites so bad
[11:50] <ketsugi> haha
[11:50] <mikeymike-linux> ketsugi, thats like xchat-lite-for-losers
[11:50] <ketsugi> yeah I know
[11:50] <ketsugi> but it serves my needs
[11:50] <ra7eeel> so...do i have to get a training for linux and get certificate like RHCE to save time ?
[11:50] <poje> Ugh, is there anyone willing to help me with this BS wifi for a second?
[11:50] <filemover> is there anything else
[11:50] <mikeymike-linux> ketsugi, haha
[11:51] <nitrt> hello? you please help me?
[11:51] <holycow> xchat now has hierarchical view, its finally useablefor me :)
[11:51] <nooseisloose> laniL that's strange you could try pushing del esc f5 and so forth during many boots tries, or you could maybe edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and make it show you a menu, by making a long timeout, then giving boot options from command line. OR you might try a USB boot
[11:51] <ajax4> nitrt: Ask your question
[11:51] <poje> ketsugi: real men use irssi
[11:51] <mikeymike-linux> holycow, i prefer tabbed any day
[11:51] <nitrt> hi, id like to know what /dev/xxxx (folder) would a usb adsl modem be assigned when plugged in?
[11:51] <filemover> irssi is good if u dont mind the teminal
[11:51] <holycow> mikeymike-linux, *nod*
[11:51] <filemover> terminal
[11:51] <ompaul> !wifi > poje
[11:51] <filemover> but i like pretty colors and being able to change stuff arround
[11:51] <filemover> lol
[11:52] <mikeymike-linux> good reasoning :)
[11:52] <ic56> ra7eeel: training works for some people, learning by doing works better for others.  It all depends on how you prefer to learn
[11:52] <filemover> lol
[11:52] <lani> nooseisloose: I can get into the grub boot menu, what command do I give it to boot off CD?
[11:52] <mikeymike-linux> nothing wrong with liking flash :)
[11:52] <filemover> im a learner
[11:52] <nitrt> hi, id like to know what /dev/xxxx what be assigned to a usb adsl modem when plugged in?
[11:52] <filemover> not a monkey
[11:52] <nitrt> can you help me?
[11:52] <poje> ompaul: I have a netgear card with an acx chipset, I don't know if that will help (I'm trying to get ndiswrapper to work)
[11:52] <ajax4> exit
[11:52] <ic56> ra7eeel: Most people in the unix/linux world, learn the craft by reading the documentation.
[11:53] <nooseisloose> lani: I'd be lying to you, give google a try, I will also look
[11:53] <lani> nooseisloose: googling in progress
[11:53] <bbrazil> morphix: I'm heading off to the shop
[11:53] <nitrt> hi, id like to know what /dev/xxxx what be assigned to a usb adsl modem when plugged in?
[11:53] <ompaul> poje, have a look on launchpad.net I think there have been several issues in that space you may see a solutin for yours
[11:53] <mikeymike-linux> so those indigo's you ahve they're the flat kind? teal colored? and u say you dont know if they work or not?
[11:53] <filemover> i dont learn any craft i just get bitten so often that i learn not to do the same stupid thing again
[11:53] <poje> ompaul: thanks, I'm lookin now
[11:54] <crazy4ubuntu> hi all
[11:54] <TyeDye> i've installed quake4 and can run the game if I click on the file and tell it to run but I can't run it from the command line,it says bash: quake4: command not found,any ideas why I can't run from terminal??
[11:54] <crazy4ubuntu> a question about automatix gui
[11:54] <Flannel> crazy4ubuntu: this wouldn't be the place for it then.
[11:54] <holycow> not only that, youshouldn't be using automatix
[11:54] <junkY_san> what fstype must i configure in fstab with fuse and ntfs?
[11:54] <crazy4ubuntu> hmm... Flannel, you're not fans of it ?
[11:54] <ra7eeel> so i have to read first of all the documentation of any distroo
[11:55] <ra7eeel> right
[11:55] <holycow> if you use automatix you may as well just reinstall your entire os
[11:55] <holycow> !automatix
[11:55] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[11:55] <Flannel> crazy4ubuntu: no.  Its dangerous and bad.
[11:55] <crazy4ubuntu> hmm... why dangerous ?
[11:55] <ic56> lani: do you know what drive number the CD is?  You'll need to know that in order to instruct grub to boot from the CD
[11:55] <holycow> ra7eeel, i would say a combination of reading and experimenting is usually most fruitfull
[11:55] <crazy4ubuntu> what are the risks ?
[11:55] <Flannel> crazy4ubuntu: because it makes ubuntu installs explode.
[11:55] <holycow> crazy4ubuntu, it bypasses the packaging system of ubuntu and the community, plus the guy that created it is a wacko
[11:56] <ZorK> ic56: Can you explain to me, what a Swap-area is?
[11:56] <morrolan> Does anyone know how to install a multi-cd program (game in Wine)?  I know how to install and use wine, but ive never done anything which uses more than 1 CD - it's asking me to change CD, but I can't open my CD drive, and "eject" won't work either
[11:56] <ra7eeel> thank you holycow
[11:56] <nitrt> hi, id like to know what /dev/xxxx what be assigned to a usb adsl modem when plugged in?
[11:56] <lani> ic56: like /dev/xxx?
[11:56] <lani> ic56: or something else?
[11:56] <ra7eeel> so i need from you to let me know what exactly i need to get start learning?
[11:56] <filemover> well XchaT it is
[11:56] <ompaul> crazy4ubuntu, take it to #automatix - if it trashes your system please don't ask for help here - the risks are trashed systems - overwriting default configuration files - does not break sweetly - i.e. can leave your machine in a mess, it might be an okay way for software on windows but is not for linux
[11:56] <ra7eeel> should i make a samll lab
[11:56] <ic56> lani: like "root (hd0,0)"
[11:56] <ra7eeel> give me steps
[11:56] <PwcrLinux> hi there
[11:56] <PwcrLinux> Anyone, I need to fix the update manager for security and upgrade some of them, the file not found in repos.. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18055
[11:57] <crazy4ubuntu> holycow - then what is the easiest way to install w32codects ?
[11:57] <lani> ic56: any idea where I could find that info?
[11:57] <ubuntu01> hello all
[11:57] <holycow> ra7eeel, well actually the steps i outlined for you.  the reason you need those steps is because you need to know and identify the problem you ar etrying to solve.
[11:57] <ra7eeel> even you can let me make a samll lab and start reading the documentation and we can review the problems i faced together if u dont mind
[11:57] <Flannel> filemover: that'll get you kicked, just letting you know.
[11:57] <holycow> ra7eeel, no one ever knows all of linux/opensource/gnu ...
[11:57] <ubuntu01> hello
[11:58] <ompaul> !restricted > crazy4ubuntu
[11:58] <ompaul> crazy4ubuntu, check the message from the channel bot
[11:58] <holycow> ra7eeel, all we ever manage to do is learn enough to solve particular problems, and hire specialists in certain areas say like programming to help us out where we lack those skills
[11:58] <crazy4ubuntu> ok 10x.
[11:58] <morrolan> !wine faq
[11:58] <PwcrLinux> Gxine works codecs
[11:58] <ubotu> I know nothing about wine faq - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:58] <ic56> ra7eeel: since you know nothing about Linux, start by installing Linux on a single desktop computer.  Put it next to your windows computer and hook it up to your network.  Then spend some time learning how to use basic things.  Then, you'll be able to ask more intelligent questions
[11:58] <morrolan> !winbe
[11:58] <ubotu> I know nothing about winbe - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:58] <morrolan> !wine
[11:58] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:58] <holycow> ra7eeel, if you start reading without KNOWING WHY you are reading up on that ... you will spend the rest of your life reading, there is just too much to know
[11:58] <nitrt> hi, id like to know what /dev/xxxx what be assigned to a usb adsl modem when plugged in?
[11:58] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, you would seriously send those indigos to me? do they use special hardware?
[11:58] <nitrt> !dialing with usb modem
[11:58] <ubotu> I know nothing about dialing with usb modem - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:59] <holycow> crazy4ubuntu,
[11:59] <holycow> !restricted formats
[11:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:59] <holycow> crazy4ubuntu, there is zero reason to use automatix
[11:59] <holycow> crazy4ubuntu, there is also
[11:59] <holycow> !easyubuntu
[11:59] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and discussion of easyubuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[11:59] <paranoid_ndroid> hi, I have a alcatel USB modem with ADSL, and sometimes the connection goes down and stays down, I get the followin
[11:59] <paranoid_ndroid> pppd[5016] : No response to 4 echo-requests
[11:59] <paranoid_ndroid>  pppd[5016] : Serial link appears to be disconne$
[11:59] <paranoid_ndroid>  pppd[5016] : Connect time 317.1 minutes.
[11:59] <paranoid_ndroid>  pppd[5016] : Sent 4335756 bytes, received 86075$Jul 14 21:02:52
[11:59] <paranoid_ndroid>  pppd[5016] : Connection terminated.
[11:59] <ic56> ZorK: a swap area is a disk partition that is used by the OS in lieu of RAM.  Windows has a similar thing but I forget what it's called. (pagefile?)
[11:59] <paranoid_ndroid>  pppd[5016] : Exit.
[11:59] <jsm> Hi i need some help installing KDE i sort of forgot (i did it before lol)
[11:59] <holycow> which by they way is very coshure and doesn't bypass ubuntus packaging ... youshould be using that instead
[12:00] <ra7eeel> IC56, this is the point
[12:00] <ra7eeel> thank you
[12:00] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: I could be talked out of them real easy, but they aren't worth much, I checked, the HDD are missing
[12:00] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: I do have one monitor for em though
[12:00] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, what type of HDD do they use?
[12:00] <nitrt> hi, id like to know what /dev/xxxx what be assigned to a usb adsl modem when plugged in?
[12:00] <PwcrLinux> Good Morning Ompaul
[12:00] <ompaul> paranoid_ndroid, DO NOT paste in the channel, thanks, use paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:00] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: older scsi
[12:00] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, they use a specific monitor as well? ( i dont know anything about them )
[12:00] <ompaul> morning
[12:00] <jsm> Hi i need some help installing KDE i sort of forgot (i did it before lol)
[12:00] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, is the monitor you have crt?
[12:01] <crazy4ubuntu> holycow, apt has got super cow powers ;-) 10x man
[12:01] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: yes 17 or 19 in SGI
[12:01] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, i'd love to toy with these
[12:01] <holycow> crazy4ubuntu, it puts everything else to shame indeed
[12:01] <mikeymike-linux> neither have a hard drive though? :(
[12:01] <linav> i cant run xmms from streamtuner
[12:02] <linav> can anyone help me out please?
[12:02] <ic56> lani: you'd need to check the laptop's documentation (but if you do that, you'll also learn how to boot into the BIOS config, which will solve your original problem too :-) ).  OTOH, assuming the laptop uses an IDE bus, there would only be 4 possibilities: hd0,0 hd1,0 hd2,0 hd3,0
[12:02] <crazy4ubuntu> LOL, I  so much into apt super cow powers
[12:02] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: no, I might be able to scratch one up
[12:02] <ra7eeel> what distro you advise to start to install and trying the basics
[12:02] <filemover> is it safe to install one of the unsupported DC clients in ubuntu like valknut or dc_gui
[12:03] <holycow> ra7eeel, ubuntu is by far the easiest of all to start off with ... try ubuntu for desktop, them move on to debian for server (its almost identical), then try whatever else you want after that
[12:03] <morrolan> can anyone tell me how to open my CD drive when Wine is asking for the next CD?
[12:03] <crazy4ubuntu> holycow, do you think I can safely use 'apt-get install bring-peace-2-world' or this just a fantasie of super cow powers ?
[12:03] <ompaul> PwcrLinux, have we had "issues" in the last couple of hours?
[12:03] <linav> can anyone know why even after installing xmms, cant play live streams
[12:03] <linav> in streamtuner
[12:03] <holycow> crazy4ubuntu, ehe, if it were only that easy, eh?
[12:03] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: I am going to PM you ok
[12:03] <mikeymike-linux> sure thing
[12:03] <crazy4ubuntu> yep...
[12:03] <mikeymike-linux> im already typing to you haha
[12:04] <ic56> ra7eeel: Ubuntu is a good beginner's distro.  More importantly, it is popular and well supported in this channel.  Chances are you won't use it for your server but it's nevertheless a good way to start learning.
[12:04] <morrolan> 'apt-get install beer' is my favourite
[12:04] <PwcrLinux> ompaul: Yep, I have to wait till they fixed.
[12:04] <filemover> is it safe to install one of the unsupported DC clients in ubuntu like valknut or dc_gui
[12:04] <jsm> Can anuy one help me install kde?
[12:04] <crazy4ubuntu> holycow, 10x, I am off to read the stuff you sent me. if any problems I'll be back. Hope not.
[12:04] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: you get my email addy?
[12:04] <crazy4ubuntu> Peace and Love 2 all
[12:04] <holycow> later
[12:04] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, yes
[12:04] <morrolan> jsm:  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:04] <jsm> thanks
[12:04] <paranoid_ndroid> jsm, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:05] <paranoid_ndroid> please help?
[12:05] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, would you like a gmail invite? :)
[12:05] <morrolan> paranoid: won't he need the kubuntu repo's?
[12:05] <mikeymike-linux> muahaha
[12:05] <RvGaTe> For some reason, i am unable to start the installation of ubuntu, when booting and settings things up (with the ubuntu logo and scrolling text benieth it) it hangs at "Setting up keyboard", then goes to a black screen all with I/O errors.... any ideas ?
[12:05] <paranoid_ndroid> I think not
[12:05] <paranoid_ndroid> he checks for all dependencies
[12:06] <morrolan> I have hundreds of gmail invites if people want them
[12:06] <CarNagE> How can I get the package information of a package from a repository with apt or dpkg?
[12:06] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: sure thing
[12:06] <paranoid_ndroid> I've installed xubuntu with that command and all worked great
[12:06] <sysKin> my freshly installed ubuntu seems to have trouble connecting to internet - ping works, firefox somethimes work, add/remove timesout downloading anything
[12:06] <morrolan> that's cool.
[12:06] <PwcrLinux> ompaul: I alway check before do upgrades for security fixes.. 2 of them not fetched it (missed file or server downed)
[12:06] <morrolan> sysKin, are you using ethernet?
[12:07] <jsm> isnt xubuntu the one that looks like mac?
[12:07] <sysKin> morrolan: ethernet to router, statically configured ip/gateway
[12:07] <morrolan> Does anyone know how I can eject my CD drive - wine needs the second disk but it won't let me open my drive
[12:07] <sysKin> morrolan: firefox seems to connects fine to my isp's website but times out *often* (not always) going further
[12:07] <ra7eeel> thank you , my last question which one i have to download ftp://ftp.proxad.net/mirrors/ftp.ubuntu.com/releases/6.06/
[12:07] <debugger> hi
[12:08] <jsm> hi
[12:08] <Flannel> morrolan: you need to unmount it first, right click and unmount, if its mounted to your desktop
[12:08] <ic56> sysKin: sounds like short packets are getting through but longer ones aren't.  Maybe bad hardware?  Bad cabling?  If wireless, maybe intefference from another device?
[12:08] <debugger> can I upgrade my ubuntu install using the livecd packages?  or do I have to download everything from the net?
[12:08] <ic56> ra7eeel: do you have access to the web?
[12:08] <TyeDye> i've installed quake4 and can run the game if I click on the file and tell it to run but I can't run it from the command line,it says bash: quake4: command not found,any ideas why I can't run from terminal??
[12:09] <Samus_Aran> does someone know why Ubuntu is using GNU CoreUtils 5.93 from 2005, when it is up to 5.97 already ?  the most recent one being June 24th of this year
[12:09] <sysKin> ic56: hmmmmm any idea how to check all that. two other windows computers are in the network and they're fine so it must be something in that box
[12:09] <ra7eeel> ic56, yes sure
[12:09] <ompaul> PwcrLinux, so choices are use synaptic (I guess you used apt-get) - do dist-upgrade to force the issue
[12:09] <nooseisloose> TyeDye: look and see if the full path is given in the shortcut
[12:09] <Samus_Aran> TyeDye: because it isn't in your path
[12:10] <ic56> sysKin: sorry, not an expert with flaky networking
[12:10] <nitrt> hi, id like to know what /dev/xxxx what be assigned to a usb adsl modem when plugged in?
[12:10] <Samus_Aran> TyeDye: if you type the full path into the terminal, it will run it the same as your shortcut icon
[12:10] <TyeDye> thanks
[12:10] <PwcrLinux> ompaul: Yea, I am using breezy, I rather wait month will get full LTS upgrades, still need to finish up the security fixes before goes full upgrade to LTS.
[12:10] <Samus_Aran> TyeDye: otherwise you need to add a launcher script for it somewhere in your path (or symlink it)
[12:11] <ra7eeel> ??
[12:11] <nitrt> hi, id like to know what /dev/xxxx (folder) would a usb adsl modem be assigned when plugged in?
[12:11] <filemover> anyone got an opinion about azureus in ubuntu
[12:11] <holycow> ra7eeel, whats yhour last question, missed it
[12:11] <ic56> ra7eeel: go to ubuntu.com and read the instructions.
[12:11] <filemover> does it work well
[12:11] <Samus_Aran> filemover: same as Azureus in any other distro: most features, but eats RAM and CPU
[12:11] <ic56> ra7eeel: depending on teh hardware, you'll want to pick a different CD image to download.
[12:11] <filemover> k
[12:12] <filemover> it does that to in windows
[12:12] <filemover> so its no different
[12:12] <filemover> does it need java
[12:12] <Samus_Aran> it is just a RAM-hungry Java app, unfortunately
[12:12] <filemover> in ubuntu
[12:12] <ic56> ra7eeel: also, there are 3 variations on the software: Ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu.  Get the first one -- it's the most widely used
[12:12] <dprr> Could somebody please tell me when I plug a USB ADSL modem in and Linux identifies it in /var/log/messages - to what /dev/XXXX would it be assigned?
[12:12] <Samus_Aran> just make sure you always use the most recent version of Azureus and Sun Java Runtime
[12:12] <nooseisloose> anyoen here have a working hostapd.conf for prism2_pci ?
[12:12] <nooseisloose> I know all about flaky networking
[12:12] <Samus_Aran> dprr: does anything show up in 'dmesg' ?
[12:12] <filemover> ok
[12:13] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, did you get my query?
[12:13] <filemover> ive got all the latest updates
[12:13] <filemover> so i should be safe
[12:13] <dprr> Samus_Aran: yep, it detects it but it doesnt show exactly what /dev/ its been assigned
[12:13] <mikeymike-linux> why do i see alot of SGI's with NO hardrives? haha.. must be a good part........
[12:14] <Samus_Aran> dprr: I suppose you could go: diff <(find /dev) <(sleep 10s; find /dev)
[12:14] <dprr> Samus_Aran: and the LNK light stops flickering after about 20seconds, so its all perfect. I'm just having endless trouble actuallying brining up the ADSL connection to my ISP. We use PPPoE and need to specify a VCI/VPI - I understand I need to use the plugin rp-pppoe.so in my config?
[12:14] <Samus_Aran> dprr: and plug it in during those ten seconds.  that will show you any changes to the files in /dev
[12:15] <ra7eeel> ic56, thank you fro your kind help , peace upon you
[12:15] <morrolan> Does anyone know how to change CD during a Wine install of a game?
[12:15] <Samus_Aran> morrolan: I had that same problem ...
[12:15] <nooseisloose> mikeymike-linux: hard drives wear out
[12:15] <ic56> ra7eeel: yw
[12:16] <mikeymike-linux> nooseisloose, but are they special HD's why cant they just be replaced or something?
[12:16] <Samus_Aran> morrolan: I ended up just copying the files to the drive first  =/
[12:16] <dprr> Samus_Aran: it does not seem to display anything but it picks it up fine
[12:16] <filemover> whats bittornado like Samus_Aran
[12:16] <filemover> is that any good
[12:16] <Samus_Aran> filemover: I have been using Azureus for a long time now, haven't tried any other clients in years.  I know BitTornado is popular, but know nothing about it
[12:17] <filemover> k
[12:17] <poje> Okay, so now when I boot up there's no wlan0
[12:17] <filemover> im in the same boat
[12:17] <ic56> ra7eeel: are you still there?
[12:17] <filemover> thnx
[12:17] <poje> But all the hw is there and ndiswrapper says the hw is present
[12:17] <poje> What the crap happened?
[12:18] <neosc> just installed dapper.. in breezy there was this utility (dialog box) to view how much has been uploaded/downloaded from the internet.. where can i find this utility in dapper?
[12:19] <fateminasab> How can i see dat files on ubuntu?
[12:19] <Samus_Aran> fateminasab: what is in the dat file ?  (there are many types of dat files)
[12:19] <nooseisloose> fateminasab: cat ?
[12:19] <TARZEAU> fateminasab: what says file the.dat ?
[12:20] <onorin> hello, when I plug out my laptop's adapter battery manager is telling me Power critically low with 100% full charge , Is there a fix for that ?
[12:20] <ZorK> Why does the install just close when i press "install" after the 6th step? It thinks a bit, then just closes.
[12:20] <Samus_Aran> fateminasab: if you're not sure, "file" is a great utility, as TARZEAU suggested
[12:20] <neosc> just installed dapper.. in breezy there was this utility (dialog box) to view how much has been uploaded/downloaded from the internet.. where can i find this utility in dapper?
[12:20] <ra7eeel> ic56, what your opinion start with the desktop then after well know go to the server version then start replace the services on my work ?? or the better is going to a company make the migration and gives me Support packag
[12:20] <ra7eeel> Training packag
[12:20] <ic56> anyone know where the instructions on choosing which CD image to download went?  I just instructed someone to "just read the instructions at Ubuntu.com" but upon looking there myself, I find nothing that would guide a complete novice
[12:20] <nooseisloose> I am out y'all
[12:20] <ubuntu> How do i know what Ethernet i got?
[12:20] <rpedro> can someone please send me this file from your /var/cache/apt/archive directory : libgl1-mesa-dri_6.4.1-0ubuntu8_i386.deb , thanks!
[12:20] <dprr> Samus_Aran: any other assistance for me perhaps? ive been strugglying for the past 24 hours :(
[12:20] <Flannel> ic56: it's on the donwnload page
[12:21] <fateminasab> I mean Movie dat file
[12:21] <Samus_Aran> fateminasab: mplayer
[12:21] <ic56> Flannel: I looked but I don't see it.  Is it a hidden link or something?
[12:21] <poje> Is there any reason my wifi card should not be bound to wlan0 all of a sudden? ndiswrapper says the hw is there, so I don't know what happened
[12:21] <Samus_Aran> fateminasab: mplayer can play everything
[12:21] <PwcrLinux> ompaul: should I close the sypantic notification or just reboot to clear notification?
[12:21] <piwi> hi!
[12:21] <neosc> in breezy there was this utility (dialog box) to view how much has been uploaded/downloaded from the internet.. where can i find this utility in dapper?? It has a icon like 2 monitors
[12:21] <Generic> what's the command to check cpu load?
[12:22] <rpedro> Generic: top
[12:22] <ZorK> ic56: Why does the install just close when i press "install" after the 6th step? It thinks a bit, then just closes.
[12:22] <Samus_Aran> Generic: if you want a running total, try "top".  if you want just the load averages, try cat /proc/loadavg
[12:22] <Flannel> ic56: it's on the download pages (after you select the mirror) for instance: http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu-releases/6.06/
[12:22] <piwi> hi, I am having a bizarre thing with ubuntu 6.06LTS
[12:22] <ic56> ZorK: sorry, I don't know.
[12:22] <rpedro> Generic: or 'uptime'
[12:22] <onorin> hello, when I plug out my laptop's adapter, battery manager is telling me  "Power critically low" with a baloon , although it is 100% full charge , Is there a fix for that ?
[12:22] <ompaul> PwcrLinux, I would close synaptic
[12:22] <Samus_Aran> Generic: "w" and "uptime" also display the load average
[12:22] <holycow> neosc, right click on panel and add applet ... its in there
[12:23] <Samus_Aran> onorin: have you searched in the wiki ?
[12:23] <Samus_Aran> onorin: I haven't used a laptop for GNU/Linux before, myself
[12:23] <fateminasab> I have a low speed connection an mplayer is too heavy for me. Is there any decoder for example?
[12:23] <PwcrLinux> ompaul: okay where's the "Close" or "Exit" on the notification (Gray ! over the counterwise icon)?
[12:23] <cd_rom> is there a ubuntu dvd iso?
[12:23] <ic56> Flannel: thank you!  Somehow following the links I thought reasonable wasn't taking to that page.
[12:23] <morphix> bbrazil, i know WHY the card isnt working properly.. dunno how to fix it though.
[12:23] <Generic> what exactly is the load average out of? 10?
[12:23] <Flannel> cd_rom: there is
[12:23] <Samus_Aran> fateminasab: mplayer is the lightest video player out there, what do you mean by heavy ?
[12:24] <onorin> Samus_Aran, yeah, I also posted this issue to forums. Moreover this was never  a problem in breezy
[12:24] <piwi> hello, I would like to chmod /boot/grub/menu.lst as it was before (I tried to edit it and did chmod 777 but now I cant revert) and also I dont have anymore icons on my desktop... What can I do?
[12:24] <neosc> thanks holycow
[12:24] <Samus_Aran> fateminasab: it uses substantially less CPU/RAM than any other players
[12:24] <cd_rom> Flannel:what it contains?
[12:24] <ompaul> PwcrLinux, what app are you specifically talking about synaptic? have you a "sub window" open or something?
[12:24] <Flannel> piwi: use sudo [editor]  instead of chmod/chowning
[12:24] <timalot> Generic, its avg of how many process want to use the cpu over the last 5 minutes
[12:24] <cd_rom> Flannel: i meant what the difference? more packages etc...?
[12:25] <Generic> timalot, makes sense now :)
[12:25] <piwi> Flannel: ok thanks I will do so but what is the original chmod for menu.lst, I dont know it...
[12:25] <rpedro> what's the command line command to downgrade a package, I need to because a package from a repository for aiglx is giving me problems, and the force version function from synaptic tries to uninstall a load of other packages !
[12:25] <Samus_Aran> piwi: sudo chmod u=rw,go=r /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:25] <Flannel> cd_rom: http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ubuntu/6.06/release/  yeah, more packages
[12:25] <PwcrLinux> ompaul: It's on taskbar next to the battery meter or clock.
[12:25] <Samus_Aran> piwi: and make sure it is owned by root, not your user
[12:25] <cd_rom> thanks Flannel, you are very helpful
[12:25] <ZorK> Why does the install just close when i press "install" after the 6th step? It thinks a bit, then just closes.
[12:25] <timalot> Generic, on the uptime command it shows the avg over the last 1, 5, 15 minutes
[12:25] <onorin> OK one last time : when I plug out my laptop's adapter, battery manager is telling me  "Power critically low" with a baloon , although it is 100% full charge , Is there a fix for that ?
[12:26] <onorin> Anyone knows about power managment of ubuntu here ?
[12:26] <Samus_Aran> dprr: so did you do that command and unplug (or plug in) the USB device during the 10 second pause ?
[12:26] <ompaul> PwcrLinux, you seem to be having some issues - that is usually a sign that it is running, log out and back in
[12:26] <crazy_penguin> good day everyone!
[12:26] <ic56> ra7eeel: I recommend installing desktop and just using it to do basic things like editing files, sending email, saving and renaming files in directories, etc.    Purchasing support is indeed an option but, if your company doesn't have a mandate to move specifically to Ubuntu, then you'll have to spend more time researching teh web to f
[12:26] <Samus_Aran> dprr: I don't know USB PPPoE modems, but that command will show you any and all files being added or removed from /dev in those ten seconds
[12:27] <PwcrLinux> ompaul: okay should I reboot it to clear the notification?
[12:27] <dprr> samus: i did try it but it didnt show anything
[12:27] <Samus_Aran> dprr: and you unplugged/or plugged in during the 10 seconds ?  (but only one, not both)
[12:27] <ic56> ra7eeel: ...distro and support package is best for you (price, contract terms, functionality, etc)
[12:27] <ompaul> PwcrLinux, as I said log out, try the complete reboot and then start the updates from the icon
[12:28] <Samus_Aran> dprr: it will probably create an entry in /dev/bus/usb/, if nowhere else
[12:28] <PwcrLinux> ompaul: okay let me try brb
[12:28] <dprr> Samus_Aran: trying something else now, will let you know in a moment
[12:29] <morphix> Is there anyway in linux to change an IRQ for a device?
[12:29] <michaels> what's the easiest way to burn a cue+bin image?
[12:29] <ic56> !
[12:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about ! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:29] <poje> Does _anyone_ know what would make my wlan0 disappear while ndiswrapper still says hw is present - I removed the acx drivers and put in ndiswrapper, looked all right, then rebooted; now wlan0 is gone
[12:30] <sam_> ubuntu wont let me install kde....with the sudo apt-get install command
[12:30] <Flannel> sam_: what error do you get?
[12:30] <Samus_Aran> morphix: yes
[12:30] <sam_> how do you enable the sources i try to tick those boxes but they untick
[12:30] <sam_> umm
[12:31] <holycow> thats just poor ui design sam ... if you check the main window you will see the sources added
[12:31] <sam_> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[12:31] <morphix> Samus_Aran, how?
[12:31] <Flannel> sam_: yeah, you need to add the online sources
[12:31] <sam_> how
[12:31] <sam_> please
[12:31] <ic56> poje: did you set it up so that ndiswrapper would get loaded everytime you boot?  If not, that's probably the cause of your problem
[12:31] <a2xm> hi, can someone help me with fstab pls?
[12:31] <Samus_Aran> morphix: you generally do this when you load the module for the device.  you can automate this by adding the option to a file in /etc/modprobe.d/
[12:32] <ic56> a2xm: ask your question
[12:32] <piwi> hello back
[12:32] <syndicate47> OT: hi. i want to auto-login to freenode. if I enter /ignore nickserv the server tells me IGNORE Unkown command. anybody know what the ignore command for freenode is?
[12:32] <sam_> How do I enable online sources?
[12:32] <morphix> Samus_Aran, the NIC seems to have IRQ 11.. which i keep getting IRQ error.. then disabled
[12:32] <sysKin> ok my network situation ius now different - ping works fine, firefox works fine, but package manager can't connect to anything at all
[12:32] <piwi> Flannel: do you mind telling me again how to revert the chmod of /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[12:32] <Samus_Aran> morphix: modprobe <name of module> <options go here>
[12:32] <poje> ic56: I did do ndiswrapper -m which should have put it in, and I see stuff in lsmod about ndiswrapper, but /etc/modules is blank of any reference
[12:33] <Flannel> !tell sam_ about sources
[12:33] <a2xm> ic56: I can't auto mount my dvdrom anymore.
[12:33] <Samus_Aran> morphix: it is often as simple as: modprobe foo irq=12
[12:33] <yacek19> hello
[12:33] <sam_> thanks mate {die microsoft}
[12:33] <ic56> a2xm: why do you think the problem is in fstab?  Did you mess it up yourself?
[12:33] <Samus_Aran> morphix: but each module has its own parameters, which you generally need to check out in the Linux Documentation folder
[12:33] <lezouave> #ubuntu-fr
[12:33] <yacek19> is there any way I can install snapshot version of ubuntu?
[12:33] <Flannel> piwi: I didn't in the first place, but here:  Samus_Aran> piwi: sudo chmod u=rw,go=r /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:34] <Flannel> yacek19: what do you mean?
[12:34] <rpedro> what's the command line to downgrade a package version that's no longer available to the current version from the repositories?
[12:34] <onorin> Anyone knows about power managment of ubuntu here ?
[12:34] <morphix> Samus_Aran, well how could i change a module IRQ permanetly
[12:34] <lezouave> # fr-ubuntu
[12:34] <yacek19> there is development version of ubuntu named snapshot, I would like to have it
[12:34] <Samus_Aran> morphix: I don't know the exact syntax, but Ubuntu seems to have all such options in /etc/modprobe.d/
[12:34] <Samus_Aran> morphix: check out the files there for guidance
[12:34] <rpedro> !edgy
[12:34] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[12:34] <onorin> when I plug out my laptop's adapter, battery manager is telling me  "Power critically low" with a baloon , although it is 100% full charge , Is there a fix for that ?
[12:35] <frogzoo> rpedro: doesn't exist I'm afraid
[12:35] <piwi> thans Flannel and Samus_Aran!!
[12:35] <ic56> poje: sorry, I can't provide more specific advice in that area.  Your question sounded like you had missed the obvious... :-(
[12:35] <rpedro> frogzoo: :(
[12:35] <Flannel> yacek19: you mean edgy?  there are edgy repositories, yes.
[12:35] <Samus_Aran> morphix: but you should also be aware that modprobe options are very, very rarely needed.  there is more likely something else that is not directly related that is the problem
[12:35] <a2xm> ic56: because I've many partisions that i want to auto mount as well. I use winmac_fstab on 5.10 before and it was OK.
[12:35] <Samus_Aran> piwi: welcome
[12:35] <frogzoo> rpedro: only way out, I'm guessing, might be source from CVS or in the repos
[12:35] <yacek19> how can I have it?
[12:36] <a2xm> ic56: so I just copy my old fstab to 6.06
[12:36] <rpedro> frogzoo: I'm trying to use the 'force version' function in synaptic, but it tries to uninstall a *lot* of other packages...
[12:36] <piwi> I now have two other things to fix if you guys dont mind. First is: when i log on, I dont have any icons on my desktop (before I had my computer CDROM etc) and Second: GAIM autocloses when I start it... Thanks for your help and sorry about that I am total newbie or almost with unix
[12:36] <Flannel> yacek19: there are repositories, #ubuntu+1 will get you more information
[12:36] <frogzoo> onorin: which ubuntu?
[12:36] <onorin> frogzoo, dapper
[12:36] <rpedro> frogzoo: and I'm trying to force to the version available in the official ubuntu repositories
[12:36] <frogzoo> onorin: & what make/model lappie?
[12:36] <onorin> frogzoo, there  were no problems in breezy,
[12:37] <onorin> frogzoo, also there is no such problem with kubuntu dapper
[12:37] <Samus_Aran> piwi: when you changed the permissions of your GRUB config file, what else did you mess with ?
[12:37] <ic56> a2xm: you might be better off using the new version of that script to re-create teh mac and windows entries using teh latest flags. hang on
[12:37] <onorin> frogzoo, , hp nx 7010
[12:37] <frogzoo> onorin: there's a few irksome issues with dapper, which worked in breezy
[12:37] <a2xm> ic56: but now is only the cdrom that can auto mount
[12:37] <Samus_Aran> piwi: it's probably related to the missing icons and lack of GAIM working
[12:37] <fateminasab> Mplayer is 8 MB and its codecs are 10 MB, Is there any codec just for Movie dat files?
[12:37] <a2xm> ic56: yes, i just wondering if there's a new version of that
[12:38] <onorin> frogzoo, any ideas to diagnose the problem ? I have both ubuntu and kubuntu  dapper installed. There's no such problem in kubuntu
[12:38] <ic56> a2xm: wait, so don't have a problem with the windows filesystems?
[12:38] <piwi> Samus_Aran: but how come, I didnt remove any icons or whatsoever :( I just did chmod menu.lst to change default boot system and all of this happened... my system was working perfectly fine before
[12:38] <frogzoo> onorin:  cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state
[12:39] <piwi> Samus_Aran: I also changed my wlan interface properties as internet when back and I changed the WEP key using the wizard and tahts it... im not guilty sir1!
[12:39] <onorin> frogzoo, no such file or dir
[12:39] <ic56> a2xm: and, I suppose you didn't have the foresight to make a backup copy of /etc/fstab before you blindly overwrote it with your old one?
[12:39] <frogzoo> onorin: surprise surpise ...
[12:39] <a2xm> ic56: windows fs is ok. but i just need the auto mount of my partisions and my dvdrom
[12:39] <sysKin> help, my package manager can't connect to any repository at all, while firefox and ping connect to these servers fine :/
[12:39] <frogzoo> onorin: acpi's not running, for some reason
[12:39] <freaker2k4> hello everyone.
[12:39] <onorin> frogzoo, there is a folder called C11F in
[12:39] <morphix> Samus_Aran, well i get a "IRQ 11: nobody cared, handlers: [<e0a09e50>]  (rtl8169_interrupt+0x0/0x190 [r8169] ), Disabling IRQ #11"
[12:39] <a2xm> ic56: i can't use my dvdrom
[12:40] <onorin> frogzoo, in that path
[12:40] <a2xm> ic56: eventhough i manualy mount it
[12:40] <frogzoo> onorin: what's that file say? battery type info?
[12:40] <onorin> frogzoo, in /proc/acpi/battery/C11F/ ther are 3 files
[12:40] <ic56> a2xm: are you saying you are successful in manually mount your dvdrom?
[12:41] <lz1gjd> !qemu
[12:41] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[12:41] <onorin> frogzoo,  they are : alarm  info  state
[12:41] <a2xm> ic56: no, i can not mount my dvdrom
[12:42] <afflux> is there any way to avoid that UT2004 captures all keystrokes? following problems: | a) i can't use my hotkeys to control amaroK, while i'm playing ut. | b) if ut2004 crashes, i need to reboot...
[12:42] <lz1gjd> could you tell me if 6000fps in glxgears is normal for an x800gto vcard
[12:42] <a2xm> ic56: and yes i dont have the original new fstab from 6.06
[12:42] <sysKin> ok, I *think* package manager resolves all repository names to <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:42] <onorin> frogzoo, do you also have that folder  ? I mean C11F
[12:42] <fateminasab> Is there any codec just for Movie "DAT" files?
[12:43] <ic56> a2xm: do you know what type of hardware that DVDROM is?  IDE?  SATA?
[12:43] <piwi> Samus_Aran: are you busy?
[12:43] <lz1gjd> fateminasab: isn't .dat a normal mpeg2 video ?mplayer , whatever should be able to play it fine
[12:43] <a2xm> ic56: IDE
[12:44] <ic56> Anyone know what device names for IDE DVDROMs look like?  a2xm deleted his /etc/fstab and needs to recreate it...
[12:44] <onorin> frogzoo,
[12:44] <a2xm> ic56: do you wanna see my ls -l /dev/hd* ?
[12:45] <fateminasab> It's too heavy for me to download.
[12:45] <frogzoo> onorin: no I don't - I only have BAT1
[12:45] <onorin> I got this one: /proc/acpi/battery/C11F/state
[12:45] <freaker2k4> i have a conflict installing my cable to the, the "router"( which also connects the phone line...(which is not active for this device)..[i've got it from my provider (012 in Israel...)] ) to eth0 (which is already configured in /etc/network/interfaces); i have Xubuntu 6.06 (Xfce 4.2); Please help me with a link or a sny othe solution.
[12:45] <onorin> frogzoo, may be same file ?
[12:45] <sysKin> help? every host name is resolved to <IP_ADDRESS>, excepet in firefox where I disabled ipv6
[12:45] <frogzoo> onorin: except /proc isn't a "real" file system...
[12:46] <onorin> frogzoo, the file starts like : present:                 yes
[12:46] <onorin> capacity state:          ok
[12:46] <a2xm> ic56: isn't there a new version of winmac_fstab?
[12:47] <ic56> a2xm: yeah, ok.  ls -l /dev/hd* is worth a shot.  pastebin the output
[12:47] <frogzoo> onorin: looks to be the same - I'm thinking the power applet has maybe a wrong path
[12:47] <PwcrLinux> I'm off to sleep :) have good night :)
[12:47] <Toge> hello
[12:47] <frogzoo> onorin: you might try running the power applet from a command line & see if there's warnings
[12:47] <shukhrat> how update from Breezy Badger to Dapper Drake ?
[12:47] <onorin> frogzoo, when it is plugged in the file continues : charging state:          charged "new line" present rate:            0 mA
[12:47] <Toge> do you know what I have to install to use divx codecs in Avidemux?
[12:47] <onorin> frogzoo, and what is the command line for that ?
[12:48] <ic56> a2xm: yes, there's a new version of winmac_fstab but it won't help you.  Neither the original nor the new version (which I wrote) is capable of generating entries for removable media
[12:48] <shukhrat> how update from Breezy Badger to Dapper Drake ?
[12:49] <shukhrat> !LAMP
[12:49] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[12:49] <a2xm> ic56: why?
[12:49] <ic56> a2xm: why what?
[12:49] <prxq> i'm impressed how well ubuntu can deal with my laptop.
[12:49] <prxq> in-built wlan just working. whoa.
[12:49] <a2xm> ic56: why I can't use the winmac_fstab..? just let me try it..?
[12:50] <shukhrat> !Dapper Drake
[12:50] <ubotu> I know nothing about Dapper Drake - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:50] <a2xm> ic56: i PM u the ls -l
[12:50] <RvGaTe> For some reason, i am unable to start the installation of ubuntu, when booting and settings things up (with the ubuntu logo and scrolling text benieth it) it hangs at "Setting up keyboard", then goes to a black screen all with I/O errors.... any ideas ?
[12:50] <frogzoo> onorin: try: gnome-power-manager --verbose --no-daemon
[12:50] <sysKin> is there a way to completely disable ipv6? it b0rks DNS, somehow
[12:51] <ic56> a2xm: I'll say it again: winmac does *not* generate fstab entries for DVDROMs.  I should know -- I've worked with that code.
[12:51] <frogzoo> !upgrade > shukhrat
[12:51] <ic56> a2xm: haven't seen your PM yet...
[12:51] <a2xm> ic56: oh.. but it was ok on ubuntu 5.05
[12:51] <onorin> frogzoo, Power Manager is already running in this session. It says
[12:52] <onorin> which is true I suppose
[12:52] <poje> YESSSSSS
[12:52] <onorin> how ubuntu decides my power level is critical or not ?
[12:52] <piwi> excuse me, could anyone help me with my broken desktop and non working GAIM please?
[12:53] <shukhrat> frogzoo: Thanks !
[12:54] <ic56> a2xm: no, htat script didn't generte entries for DVDROMs on 5.10 either.  You can't just overwrite one config file with another without checking to see the contents of the files.  In your case, presumably the old and new files were different -- and you deleted teh new one.
[12:54] <morphix> Is there anyway for MPlayer to automatically choose Ac3 via SPDIF on DD vids only.. and when selecting normal vids (such as mp3 audio) it just defaults to normal (so non ac3 via spdif).. because it whinges if it gets a file with anything lower than 48000khz.. so i have to manually choose the audio output and restart mplayer everytime i wanna play something differnet.
[12:54] <ic56> a2xm: is that ls -l coming?
[12:54] <krazykirk> I have a problem, You know when you start a program, a outline grows to fill the screen, well in xgl, which i'm running, it grows pretty slowly. not slow enough to slow down my computer, but slow enough to be annoying. any ideas/fixes?
[12:55] <abo> after resizing/moving my partition GRUB doesn't start any more (it says stage 1.5, error 17) can anyone help?
[12:55] <fiveiron> holy cow this is ridiculous... i can tune my ATI TV-Wonder Pro with like 5 different apps, but I can't seem to get anything to record the video that I am seeing...
[12:55] <v33> hello all...  i plan to run a shell server at home ... since i won't be here to administer the thing can i have the system automatically boot in without a password being required after a power failure ?
[12:55] <v33> where do i find the relevent details ?
[12:56] <krazykirk> abo: check out http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm#Re-install_Grub_with_Live_CD
[12:56] <a2xm> ic56: did you get it?
[12:56] <v33> fiveiron: tried changing overlay to ... ?
[12:56] <ic56> abo: do you, perhance, know what "error 17" is?
[12:56] <ic56> a2xm: no, I didn't get it.
[12:56] <v33> fiveiron: you might want to try #v4l
[12:57] <ic56> a2xm: messaging myself seems to work.
[12:57] <abo> ic56, it says on internet error 17 means it cannot mount the partition, but I can't understand why
[12:57] <XiXaQ> I use ddclient for DynDNS services. However, ddclient only gets my local network ip, so my xixaq.homelinux.net domain points to <IP_ADDRESS>. How do I fix this?
[12:57] <frogzoo> onorin: I'd suggest at this stage u check the ubuntu laptop docs for the same/similiar model
[12:57] <frogzoo> !laptop
[12:57] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[12:57] <a2xm> ic56: how do you PM someone: ;-)
[12:57] <xzz> XiXaQ: Check your DynDNS settings ..
[12:57] <ic56> a2xm: if you can't get PM to work, how about you pastebin?
[12:58] <a2xm> ic56: private chat right?
[12:58] <a2xm> ic56: ok.. coming
[12:58] <ic56> a2xm: private chat fine too
[12:58] <bagpuss_thecat> I've had this before, and fixed it beore, but I can't for the life of me remember how to fix the "could not open default font 'fixed'" error when starting X
[12:58] <ic56> abo: sounds like the cause is that the partition number changed
[12:58] <bagpuss_thecat> any ideas? :-)
[12:58] <krazykirk> abo: i sent you a private message explaining how to fix it
[12:58] <a2xm> ic56: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18066
[12:59] <piwi> excuse me, could anyone help me with my broken desktop and non working GAIM please?
[12:59] <a2xm> ic56: i did sent you private chat..
[12:59] <abo> krazykirk, I didnt' get any private message,  I'm checking the website you sent in public, thank you.. I'll get back if I need more help
[01:00] <krazykirk> lol ok
[01:00] <XiXaQ> xzz, for ddclient? It's updating the wrong ip... I can't update DynDNS every fifteen minutes or whatever.
[01:00] <ic56> abo: look at /boot/grub/menu.lst .  There's probably a discrepancy between the scecond number in one of the (hd0,0) -like enties and the partition number you have as a result of having moved
[01:00] <poje> Does dapper have some crazy selinux stuff in it by default?
[01:00] <prxq> XiXaQ: you can use a myip service like ipid.shat.net
[01:00] <ompaul> paranoid_ndroid, turn off that now
[01:01] <frogzoo> abo: also check /boot/grub/device.map
[01:01] <prxq> XiXaQ: that returns the ip that faces the world, not the one behind your nat router
[01:01] <efuzzyone> hello
[01:01] <XiXaQ> prxq, without running a program here?
[01:01] <prxq> XiXaQ: dclient asks s site like that what the ip is that it is seeing.
[01:02] <prxq> in the ddclient conf file there is an example.
[01:02] <XiXaQ> what!
[01:02] <abo> ic56, hwat does hd0,0 exactly refer to?
[01:02] <onorin> frogzoo, I dont think there's an entry for dapper
[01:02] <XiXaQ> prxq, ddclient _tells_ a site when to update my domain name.
[01:02] <xzz> abo: /dev/hda1
[01:02] <efuzzyone> i am trying to load ntfs file system ith rite access, my fstab entry is
[01:02] <efuzzyone> /dev/sda1       /media/sda1     ntfs-fuse auto,gid=1002,umask=0002   0       0
[01:03] <poje> !xgl > poison_
[01:03] <poje> !xgl > poje
[01:03] <frogzoo> onorin: file a bug
[01:03] <poje> oops, sorry poison_ ;(
[01:03] <abo> krazykirk, I did the commands in the website, it says succeede, does it mean I can reboot normally now?
[01:03] <efuzzyone> but the drive is still shon belonging to the root group, ho do I change the group for the drive?
[01:03] <ic56> a2xm: looks like you have two cdrom-like devices, both on the 2nd IDE channel. Do you know which is which?  BTW, that's probably causing sub-optimal performance.
[01:03] <lsuactiafner> is there a free windows nfs client?
[01:04] <ic56> abo: hd0,1 means first harddisk, 2nd partition.  All numbers are zero-based
[01:04] <abo> xzz, I don't have /dev/hda1... I have /dev/sda1 .. is it the same? I thinkt that's because I have SATA drives not hde..
[01:04] <prxq> XiXaQ: yes, but you want to send the addr of the router, and that you find out by asking somewhere else. Although dyndns also has a my ip thing.
[01:04] <a2xm> ic56: do you wanna see my fstab? and btw, there's mtab. what is it? it seems a connection both of them?
[01:04] <XiXaQ> prxq, I'm asking how I can make ddclient send the correct ip.
[01:05] <krazykirk> abo: Yeah you can reboot, and it should work!
[01:05] <a2xm> ic56: because when i type mount it show of the mtab
[01:05] <abo> krazykirk, thank you.. I'll do now
[01:05] <krazykirk> abo: no problem =)
[01:05] <piwi> excuse me, could anyone help me with my broken desktop and non working GAIM please?
[01:05] <XiXaQ> prxq, If I have to check my ip manually ten times a day and update normally, then I could save some resources and kill ddclient completely.
[01:06] <v33> XiXaQ: i think dyndns has a model config file ...
[01:06] <prxq> XiXaQ: check the config file. It is there.
[01:06] <onorin> frogzoo, oh no thanks, last time I filed a bug, it remained unconfirmed for  8 months
[01:06] <onorin> thought this is still better than Sun
[01:07] <onorin> though
[01:07] <ic56> a2xm: mtab is a list of things currently mounted. fstab is a list of all things installed on your system.  Seeing your broken fstab probably won't answer the question of which drive is which, but I might as well.   Could you show me where that is? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/dPXQ5f76.html
[01:08] <a2xm> ic56: what do you mean?
[01:08] <RvGaTe> Is it just me, or is my question being ignored for some unexplained reason?
[01:09] <piwi> RvGaTe: just like mine. maybe nobody has the answer atm
[01:09] <v33> XiXaQ: http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/archives/using_ddclient_with_dyndns_services.html
[01:09] <ic56> a2xm: what do you mean, what do I mean?   Anyway, I saw your fstab and it doesn't help much.  Let's take a stab in the darK: try "ls -ld /media/devdrom" do you get an error?
[01:09] <RvGaTe> piwi, you having the same problem?
[01:10] <ic56> a2xm: oops, devdrom --> dvdrom
[01:10] <heretician> After the installation of gnus, where is it located?
[01:10] <v33> XiXaQ: #use=web, web=checkip.dyndns.org/, web-skip='IP Address'
[01:11] <v33> XiXaQ: just need to use that ... and i think everything should be fine ...
[01:11] <RvGaTe> (for the third time today): For some reason, i am unable to start the installation of ubuntu, when booting and settings things up (with the ubuntu logo and scrolling text benieth it) it hangs at "Setting up keyboard", then goes to a black screen all with I/O errors.... any ideas ?
[01:11] <prxq> XiXaQ: your config: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/J8ssnB27.html
[01:11] <a2xm> ic56: ok
[01:12] <XiXaQ> Great.. Thank you.
[01:12] <a2xm> ic56: andre@ubuntu:~$ ls -ld /media/dvdrom
[01:12] <a2xm> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2006-07-10 21:37 /media/dvdrom -> cdrom0
[01:13] <sysKin> YESSSS disabling ipv6 solved all my dns problems \o/
[01:13] <ic56> a2xm: now that I think about it, there's gonna be plenty more wrong with your old fstab.  I haven't switched to 6.06 yet but from what I've seen, teh new setup uses several pseudo-filesystems that your fstab lacks.
[01:13] <ic56> a2xm: ok, let's try this: ls -ld /media/cdrom0
[01:14] <ic56> a2xm: and also: ls -ld /media/cdrom*
[01:15] <a2xm> ic56: andre@ubuntu:~$ ls -ld /media/cdrom0
[01:15] <a2xm> ls: /media/cdrom0: No such file or directory
[01:15] <a2xm> ic56: I've changed manually the name on /media
[01:15] <finalbeta> Is is possible to get crossfading in Rhythmbox? (if not I need a descent player)
[01:15] <frogzoo> onorin: the other alternative is to find a fix & then submit a patch
[01:15] <a2xm> ic56: andre@ubuntu:~$ ls -ld /media/cdrom*
[01:15] <a2xm> dr-xr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 2006-05-31 10:16 /media/cdrom
[01:16] <ic56> a2xm: what did you change?  What was it before and what is it now?
[01:16] <onorin> frogzoo, check this out, same here https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/42705
[01:16] <a2xm> ic56: cdrom0 --> cdrom and cdrom1 --> dvdrom
[01:17] <a2xm> ic56: the directory right?
[01:17] <a2xm> ic56: on /media
[01:17] <piwi> RvGaTe: yes I am also having an unanswered question
[01:18] <xarq> piwi: maybe if it was more specific you'd get an answer
[01:18] <Sonicdh> hey, i'm back
[01:18] <piwi> xarq: I did my best but Im not very litterate with ubuntu :S
[01:19] <acuster> does the ubuntu installer resize existing HFS+ partitions?
[01:19] <piwi> xarq: basically the icons such as CDROM My Computer etc have all disappeared off my desktop with no reason... and GAIM doesn't work, it closes at launch
[01:20] <xarq> piwi: is the gaim process still running after it closes?
[01:20] <xarq> piwi: also, it nautilus still running?
[01:20] <ic56> a2xm: this doesn't make sense. You say you renamed cdrom1 to dvdrom.  Yet, dvdrom is a symlink pointint to cdrom0.  I find it unlikely that the installer would have created an /media/cdrom1 entry that would be a symlink to a /media/cdrom0 directory.  You must have changed other stuff too
[01:21] <RvGaTe> piwi, if i dont get an answer today, ill be switching to debian, becouse i can't install ubuntu
[01:21] <bagpuss_thecat> any takes on how to fix this fixed font error? :-p
[01:21] <a2xm> ic56: ok ok ... so how is it? i just don't understand ;-)
[01:21] <a2xm> ic56: just try to make it seem nice to read ;-)
[01:22] <XVampireX> RvGaTe, no one is forcing you to use ubuntu
[01:22] <a2xm> ic56: how to fix the symlink?
[01:22] <Sonicdh> you ubuntu seems a tad on the graphics heavy side.
[01:22] <cypher1> RvGaTe, what are the I/O errors ? can you paste it..
[01:23] <Sonicdh> anyone know the sys reqs for it?
[01:23] <xarq> RvGaTe: yay, more users for debian
[01:23] <RvGaTe> XVampireX, well, without being able to install ubuntu and getting any support, there isn't really a choice is there?
[01:23] <cypher1> a2xm, fix the symlink ?
[01:23] <RvGaTe> brb
[01:23] <XVampireX> RvGaTe, I guess :-/
[01:24] <Sonicdh> Does anyone know the System requirements for ubuntu?
[01:24] <orn72> My ATI card won't let me start the dappy installer, any ideas?
[01:24] <ic56> a2xm: Let's try a shot in the dark: sudo rm -f /media/dvdrom ; sudo mkdir /media/dvdrom
[01:24] <Sonicdh> because it seems a bit graphics heavy
[01:24] <XVampireX> RvGaTe, someone just asked you something trying to help...
[01:24] <XiXaQ> RvGaTe, 6.06 lts graphical installation?
[01:24] <RvGaTe> XiXaQ, yes
[01:25] <ic56> a2xm: this sets you up with mount points that match your fstab entries.  Nevertheless, these are non-standard and other things in Ubuntu may end up being broken.
[01:25] <RvGaTe> cypher1, cant recall the error, but it hangs at "setting up keyboard"
[01:25] <XiXaQ> RvGaTe, what kind of keyboard do you have then?
[01:26] <RvGaTe> cypher1, after hanging for 2minutes, it gives me a black screen, where every xxseconds gives me i/o errors
[01:26] <RvGaTe> XiXaQ, basic logitec one
[01:26] <RvGaTe> +h
[01:26] <XiXaQ> desktop?
[01:26] <bbrazil> morphix: oh?
[01:26] <a2xm> ic56: ok.. and then..?
[01:26] <syndicate47> i'm using gnome and my conky works fine if i run it manually. however, if i run it using "Sessions" it gets drawn to some part of the desktop that is behind the wallpaper. can anyone help me?
[01:26] <cypher1> RvGaTe, sorry to me it looks vague..
[01:26] <RvGaTe> XiXaQ, Logitech Internet Pro keyboard
[01:26] <salah> !restrictedformats
[01:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:27] <RvGaTe> cypher1, same here really...
[01:27] <a2xm> ic56: i've try to rm /media/dvdrom before but always failed
[01:27] <cypher1> RvGaTe, search in forums/google.. you may find some solutions if somebody has already hit it
[01:27] <ic56> a2xm: try putting a disk in your DVDROM.  Does it automount?
[01:27] <XiXaQ> RvGaTe, have any screenshots or logs?
[01:27] <ic56> a2xm: but this time you succeeded in removing /media/dvdrom, right?
[01:27] <a2xm> ic56: do i've to logout first? i just try it, and nothing...
[01:28] <RvGaTe> XiXaQ, its at the installation, no logs are created and i cant do a screencap
[01:28] <ic56> a2xm: no logout, no reboot needed.
[01:28] <XiXaQ> RvGaTe, why?
[01:28] <bbrazil> morphix: PCI is setup so you don't have to/can't change IRQs
[01:28] <RvGaTe> XiXaQ, becouse its trying to initiate the installation
[01:28] <a2xm> ic56: yes, it was remove and make the new one successfuly
[01:28] <bbrazil> morphix: go into your BIOS, there should be something to clear that inofrmation
[01:28] <ic56> a2xm: yea, so the auto-mounting isn't working.  Let's try manually mounting.  Like so:
[01:28] <XiXaQ> RvGaTe, yes, and? You have the system up and running from the cd, right?
[01:28] <ic56> a2xm: sudo mount /media/dvdrom
[01:29] <RvGaTe> XiXaQ, no, its not up and running, its giving me i/o errors
[01:29] <ic56> a2xm: did the disk become visible now?
[01:29] <RvGaTe> XiXaQ, before it starts the installation
[01:29] <XiXaQ> RvGaTe, I thought you said the installation gave you the errors?
[01:29] <a2xm> ic56: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd,
[01:29] <a2xm>        missing codepage or other error
[01:29] <a2xm>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[01:29] <a2xm>        dmesg | tail  or so
[01:30] <RvGaTe> XiXaQ, original question started of with:  "I cant start the installation ...."
[01:30] <cypher1> RvGaTe, is the same errors happening while using a live cd environment ?
[01:30] <RvGaTe> cypher1, cant boot the livecd version either
[01:30] <cypher1> RvGaTe, same error ?
[01:30] <XiXaQ> RvGaTe, I asked you if you were using the graphical installation, and you said yes. that means you have ubuntu up and running from the live cd.
[01:31] <XiXaQ> RvGaTe, tell me. Where from did you get the cd? What's it name and creation date?
[01:31] <a2xm> ic56:  when i try it w/o sudo, it said: mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdd is already mounted on /media/dvdrom
[01:31] <a2xm> mount failed
[01:31] <ic56> a2xm: mmm, and you inserted a normal ISO disk, right?  Not a music CD, right?
[01:31] <xarq> XiXaQ: I guess in his case it means he *wants* to use the graphical installation
[01:31] <RvGaTe> cypher1, i dont know, it stopped loading (loading bar + logo), took to long imo, and i rebooted into windows
[01:31] <XiXaQ> RvGaTe, booting from the cd may take a while..
[01:31] <a2xm> ic56: i inserted a dvd-rw disc
[01:32] <RvGaTe> XiXaQ, not 15min... :)
[01:32] <ic56> a2xm: a blank one or one with a burned image?
[01:32] <XiXaQ> RvGaTe, depends. Takes 5-10 here I think.
[01:32] <XiXaQ> RvGaTe, have you checked the cd for errors?
[01:32] <xarq> RvGaTe: what is the processor speed of your machine?
[01:33] <RvGaTe> XiXaQ, yes i check it, no errors found
[01:33] <cypher1> RvGaTe, where did it get stuck.. sometimes you may need to do ctrl-c.. like while syncing clock with ntp server etc
[01:33] <sysKin> ;_; dns still resolves all hosts to <IP_ADDRESS> ;_;
[01:33] <RvGaTe> xarq, amd 2400+, running at 2.2 ghz
[01:33] <cypher1> RvGaTe, which may take sometime if your network is not fast or reliable
[01:33] <RvGaTe> cypher1, i tried, but didn't do anthing
[01:34] <RvGaTe> cypher1, no problems with the network here
[01:34] <cypher1> RvGaTe, is it a dapper cd ?
[01:34] <a2xm> ic56: can not... dvd-rw with data & dvd-r with data on it
[01:34] <RvGaTe> cypher1, let me check
[01:35] <RvGaTe> cypher1, yes, dapper
[01:36] <cypher1> RvGaTe, it would be great if the message was captured
[01:37] <RvGaTe> cypher1, i could try it again and write it down
[01:37] <RvGaTe> cypher1, itl take a few mnutes
[01:37] <RvGaTe> brb
[01:38] <a2xm> ic56: wait
[01:38] <ic56> a2xm: this is messy. The reasonable choice didn't work.  It will take hours to figure out over IRC what your fstab was before you deleted it and to guide you through reconstructing it and restoring the filesystem to what it was before you started messing with it.  Sorry, but I've already spent an hour on this and I'm tired.  I recommend re-installing or finding someone else with lots of time.  Good luck!
[01:39] <finalbeta> Is is possible to get crossfading in Rhythmbox? (if not I need a descent player)
[01:39] <SDwolfcody> good morning -- how do i make the update manager upgrade me from breezy to dapper?
[01:40] <cypher1> SDwolfcody, i guess 'sudo update-manager -d' should do
[01:40] <a2xm> ic56: wait.. i forgot to copy back the fstab
[01:40] <SDwolfcody> cool - -it had a button on it last night but i didnt want to do it then and now the button is gone :)
[01:40] <a2xm> ic56: so now how to refresh it
[01:40] <ic56> a2xm: copy back?
[01:40] <piwi> xarq: sorry incoming phone call
[01:40] <bbrazil> finalbeta: xmms has that feature
[01:41] <piwi> xarq:  I dont know how to check if nautilus is running nor if gaim process exited or not
[01:41] <tufsy> hi
[01:41] <tufsy> i am new to linux, can someone tell me how i get my bluetooth headset to work with my laptop?
[01:42] <tufsy> and how do i know if ubuntu has installed the correct sound drivers for my laptop?
[01:42] <tufsy> pleaee
[01:42] <bimberi> !bluetooth
[01:42] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[01:42] <tufsy> cool
[01:42] <bimberi> tufsy: hopefully something there will get you going :)
[01:43] <tufsy> thanks
[01:43] <Mofo> im installing ubuntu 6
[01:43] <XiXaQ> Mofo, good for you. :)
[01:44] <finalbeta> bbrazil, thnx. I'll try, hopefully I can make it look a little like Rhythmbox, don't like the winamp look, not handy
[01:44] <Mofo> but when it comes on 2nd step, setting time my pc hang on this step
[01:44] <tufsy> how do i confirm my speakers are being fully utilised? cos i got a dell inspiron 9400 and its got a sub-woofer speaker - which i dont think is being used properly, how can i check?
[01:44] <a2xm> ic56: ha ha ha... it works just fine now
[01:44] <a2xm> ic56: thanks very much
[01:44] <Mofo> but when it comes on 2nd step, setting time my pc hang on this step
[01:45] <a2xm> ic56: i'm sorry, i forgot to copy back the last fstab ;-)
[01:45] <ic56> a2xm: ok, if it works, then it's time to update your entries for your windows filesystems.
[01:45] <Gasten> Do anyone know how to open a *.run file?
[01:46] <Mofo> so any one helping me out
[01:46] <a2xm> ic56: yes, i just wanna auto mount 3 of them
[01:46] <XiXaQ> Gasten, what is it supposed to contain?
[01:46] <Gasten> XiXaQ: An installer.
[01:46] <Mofo> i having problem to install ubuntu 6, i stuck on 2nd step (time setting)
[01:46] <bbrazil> Gasten: I imagine you're meant to execute it ./name.run
[01:46] <Gasten> XiXaQ: Of a game.
[01:46] <XiXaQ> Gasten, perhaps you should try ./file.run ?
[01:47] <Gasten> trying...
[01:47] <TARZEAU> Gasten: sh the.run
[01:47] <ic56> a2xm: oops, forget that sudo sfdisk I posted -- that was an accident
[01:47] <a2xm> ic56: actualy it works already, but the name wasn't the same with in the fstab
[01:47] <gharz> is there a chinese input support in ubuntu?
[01:47] <gharz> i'm using gnome
[01:47] <XiXaQ> gharz, check System > Preferences > keyboard
[01:47] <a2xm> ic56: sudo fdisk? which one? i didn't see it
[01:47] <ic56> a2xm: use the -b option when running the script.  It will create a backup of your current fstab
[01:48] <a2xm> ic56: sorry, what was that? -b option for what?
[01:48] <lasseaw> Mofo: have you tryied skipping the install from Live?
[01:48] <Mofo> hello, im having problem to install ubuntu
[01:48] <Gasten> Wow TARZEAU!! Thanks!
[01:48] <Gasten> It worked!
[01:48] <gharz> too bad there's none :(
[01:48] <lasseaw> Mofo: installing from none-live?
[01:48] <[rick] > hm
[01:48] <[rick] > anyone having repository issues?
[01:49] <ic56> a2xm: you didn't seem my posts about diskmounter?!
[01:49] <[rick] > its only the last few for me
[01:49] <Mofo> lasseaw , im installing from the cds i got from ubuntu
[01:49] <TARZEAU> Gasten: you're welcome
[01:49] <XiXaQ> Mofo, version?
[01:49] <lasseaw> i gotta go now but i think someone will find an easy solution to your problem.
[01:49] <Mofo> lasseaw , installing from live and when it comes to 2nd step (time setting) it just stuck there and my cd rom keep reading
[01:50] <Mofo> 6.06 lts
[01:50] <XiXaQ> Mofo, then let it run. It may take a while.
[01:50] <a2xm> ic56: nope, just now or long time ago?
[01:50] <kakashi4523> can somebody please tell me how to disable SHIFT+BACKSPACE restating X ?
[01:50] <ic56> a2xm: 5 secs ago now.  Ok, here goes again:
[01:50] <Mofo> i tried many time, but stop on 2nd step and my cd rom keep reading the cd
[01:50] <XiXaQ> Mofo, it's probably trying to connect to a ntp service. Is your network up and running?
[01:50] <Mofo> but no movement.
[01:51] <draconius> kakashi4523: i dont know off the top of my head, but you can look on the Xorg website FAQ and they tell you how
[01:51] <ic56> a2xm: see them now?
[01:51] <bbrazil> kakashi4523: "dontzap" setting or something in the x config
[01:51] <dpn> kakashi its: xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace BackSpace Terminate_Server"
[01:51] <Mofo> i dont have network, i use dialup
[01:51] <winman> is there a world time applet sort of thing, which could sit on one of my panels and tell time about places I choose?
[01:51] <a2xm> ic56: what was that? didn't see anyting
[01:52] <a2xm> ic56: try PM?
[01:52] <wendel> Just insatalled ubuntu 6.06, wireless nice etc using WEP, Im getting really long ping response times, they are very sporadic, any ideas how I can sort this or is it network dependant??
[01:52] <Mofo> is there anyway to install ubuntu from none live cd
[01:52] <XiXaQ> Mofo, how long have you waited?
[01:52] <ic56> a2xm: your irc client might be blocking long messages.  Here goes PM
[01:52] <Mofo> XiXaQ i have waited about 20 mins and 30 mins
[01:52] <ic56> a2xm: point your browser to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Page down to "Instructions", and read till the next blank line.  Follow the instructions to save and run the file.  It will setup your /etc/fstab and mountpoints in /media so you can see your NTFS filesystems in Places> Computer.
[01:53] <ic56> a2xm: The script will ask you if you want to enable NTFS write.  Answer no.  If you already tried unsuccessfully to add your Windows filesystems to /etc/fstab , add a -b flag to the script invocation.  I authored this version, so I can help if anything goes wrong.
[01:53] <bbrazil> ic56: freenode blocks pms from unregisterd users by default
[01:53] <poje> Does anyone have an opinion on xgl vs aiglx?
[01:53] <ic56> a2xm: oh, never mind, I forgot the -out flag to exec.  presumably you saw teh posts now
[01:53] <wendel> on ubuntu, firefox takes ages to load any page! when i try a big dload im getting 360Kbs+, whats up with that??
[01:53] <ic56> bbrazil: thx, I know.  I'm registered
[01:54] <dpn> firefox never works good for me
[01:54] <XiXaQ> wendel, is that good or bad?
[01:54] <wendel> dpn, what you use as alternative??
[01:54] <dpn> Opera is what I use
[01:54] <a2xm> ic56:  ok, let me try
[01:54] <ompaul> wendel, dpn type in the address bar "about:config"  tell me when that is done
[01:54] <wendel> XiXaQ, its ok for 3MB line, firefox is really Sloooooooow!
[01:54] <Mofo> so what i have to do now, i want to avoid this 2nd step and want to jump on another step so i can install ubuntu
[01:54] <bbrazil> wendel: have you tried disabling ipv6?
[01:55] <wendel> ompaul, done
[01:55] <heretician> After I.. uninstall ubuntu, install wxp, reinstall ubuntu... will GIMP boot up automatically everytime i restart my computer?
[01:55] <kakashi4523> @dpn. do i just type xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace BackSpace Terminate_Server into the console or do i add it into the xorg.conf ?
[01:55] <wendel> bbrazil, no how do i do that?
[01:55] <ompaul> bbrazil, I will talk him though that now
[01:55] <bbrazil> wendel: ompaul will explain to you
[01:55] <ic56> a2xm: DON'T FORGET: use the -b option when running the script.  It will create a backup of your current fstab.  NEVER just blindly delete config files when you don't know what you're doing.  Make a backup, so you can restore things if you break them
[01:55] <ompaul> wendel, dpn type "ipv6" in the filter bar
[01:55] <wendel> ok
[01:56] <ompaul> then click on the word true
[01:56] <wendel> default boolean false
[01:56] <wendel> is what i have
[01:56] <ompaul> wendel,  it will change to false, close it
[01:56] <wendel> it is false
[01:56] <[rick] > has anyone experienced problems with airsnort crashing after it has been running for about 2+ days?
[01:56] <ompaul> wendel, then you have some other issue
[01:56] <wendel> ompaul, sorry, do i want to make it true?
[01:57] <ompaul> wendel, no you need it to be false
[01:57] <XiXaQ> a2xm, or, if you're just curious and trying things out, you can use the live-cd :)
[01:57] <dpn> Firefox just generally feels unresponsive and bloaty to me, I've never liked it
[01:57] <wendel> ompaul, ok
[01:57] <ompaul> wendel, sorry make it true
[01:57] <dpn> And it tries to emulate operas default UI, whats that tell you
[01:57] <XiXaQ> dpn, what?
 is there a non-command line way of logging on a bluetooth device?
[01:57] <Mofo> anyone helping me, i stuck on 2nd step
[01:57] <fm> hi
[01:58] <ompaul> wendel, then you put in a web page it should improve speed
[01:58] <bimberi> tufsy: sorry, no idea, i only knew about the wikipage :|
[01:58] <XiXaQ> dpn, firefox doesn't even vaguely resemble operas gui.
[01:58] <tufsy> ok, anyone else know
[01:58] <heretician> How do you set the homepage for Firefox? I swear there is something missing from the "Tools" tab
[01:58] <dpn> Yes it does
[01:58] <dpn> Default isntalltion is identical
[01:58] <XiXaQ> dpn, what a load of rubbish.
[01:58] <fm> I have a samba share on my ubuntu box. Windows XP sees it perfectly, but some file names are truncated, I don't know why. This is not due to special characters, as they all appear correctly. Do you know where my problem could come from?
[01:59] <wendel> ompaul, ok I have: user set boolean true
[01:59] <dpn> I just installed firefox want a screenshot
[01:59] <XiXaQ> dpn, sure.
[01:59] <Polarina> Hello.
[01:59] <ompaul> wendel, put in a different url - www.bbc.co.uk ?
[01:59] <dpn> The only difference is the tab and navigation controls are in reveresed positions
[01:59] <heretician> Graphical-wise it is identical
[01:59] <RvGaTe> cypher1, back, i waited untill i thought it stopped doing anything, took my camera, and took a picture... (uploading it)
[01:59] <ion> guys how can I remove the new version of unbuntu because my pc used work fine is awful...
[01:59] <heretician> Cept for the color and some icons
[02:00] <Mofo> hello im here for long time no one is helping me what fuck is goin on?
[02:00] <bimberi> !language
[02:00] <XiXaQ> Mofo, don't curse.
[02:00] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:00] <poje> !ati >poje
[02:00] <Mofo> so in good manners, please help me out or say something we can't help you.
[02:00] <a2xm> ic56:  but some of my windows partisions already mounted just and on fstab already.. this script doesn't ruin it?
[02:00] <ompaul> Mofo, mind your language you are not expressing your quesiton in a fashion - Second step define second step I told you that in another channel expalin what you ant
[02:00] <RvGaTe> cypher1, http://www.rvgate.nl/fotos/100_3011.JPG
[02:00] <wendel> ompaul, still slow..im getting long response times when pinging, what can I do to sort that?
[02:00] <Sputn1k> hello, how to change character encoding in gnome terminal not for once?
[02:01] <Mofo> ompaul i told my question to XiXaQ,
[02:01] <Mofo> ompaul let me tell you as well.
[02:01] <XiXaQ> Mofo, there are 796 clients connected to this channel right now. Do you want everyone who don't have anything to say to send you a pm Sorry, can't help you?
[02:01] <Polarina> What install system does Ubuntu use? emerge, yum, apt-get.......
[02:01] <kakashi> i typed   xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace BackSpace Terminate_Server" but it did not stop  shift+backspace from killing X. what am i doing wrong?
[02:01] <ic56> a2xm: yes, it ruins it. But if you use the -b flag, it will first make a backup copy of your /etc/fstab .  So, if the new setup proves problematic, you can just go back to the old one.
[02:01] <heretician> 797.
[02:01] <heretician> I was too slow ;/
[02:01] <ompaul> wendel, that is not good - but that seems to be not a firefox issue
[02:01] <Mofo> ompaul, im installing ubuntu from the live cd but unfortunately on the 2nd step (time setting) my cd rom keep reading the cd but no movement
[02:01] <RvGaTe> XiXaQ, in case you didn't notice: http://www.rvgate.nl/fotos/100_3011.JPG
[02:02] <ion> guys please how can I came back again to my old version...
[02:02] <wendel> ompaul, whos your ISP?
[02:02] <ompaul> Mofo, as I have to do an install let me catch up with you
[02:02] <nemesis> this is REALLY annoying, a gigabit nic i installed.. under ubuntu.. it detects installs, etc.. but there are IRQ 11 problems
[02:02] <ompaul> wendel, not eircom that is for sure :-)
[02:02] <XiXaQ> RvGaTe, hdc is a harddrive or a cdrom...
[02:02] <nemesis> BUT i am in knoppix atm (with a 2.4.x kernel) and the NIC is working perfect
[02:03] <ompaul> wendel, (shhh btinternet)
[02:03] <Mofo> ompaul, some body told me your pc hangs because 2nd step connecting to ntp etc..
[02:03] <wendel> ompaul, scumbag..British Telecom
[02:03] <Polarina> What install system does Ubuntu use? emerge, yum, apt-get.......
[02:03] <nemesis> Polarina, apt-get
[02:03] <bbrazil> Polarina: apt
[02:03] <heretician> Disconnect it from the internet maybe, Mofo?
[02:03] <Polarina> Thanks.
[02:03] <RvGaTe> XiXaQ, gotta be a cdrom then, i only have 2 hd's
[02:03] <XiXaQ> RvGaTe, I suggest you get another cd. It looks like its faulty.
[02:03] <wendel> is opera available in the repos??
[02:03] <wendel> cant seem to see it..
[02:03] <ompaul> wendel, ehh cheaper telecom  I spent 20 years working for that other crowd - and less of the language thanks
[02:04] <joycetick> If i install the XFCE desktop is it easy to switch back to gnome?
[02:04] <Mofo> heretician look i dont have internet, when im installing ubuntu
[02:04] <XiXaQ> wendel, it's available in .deb for Ubuntu from www.opera.no
[02:04] <dpn> Yeah let me get the repo for you wendel
[02:04] <bbrazil> joycetick: yes
[02:04] <Mofo> heretician, my pc hangs on the installing 2nd step (time setting, country setting)
[02:04] <wendel> ompaul, eircomedy
[02:05] <ompaul> wendel, we chat in #ubuntu-offotpic this one is strictly (supposedly) support
[02:05] <heretician> Mofo: Iunno.. I'm still a newb at Ubuntu aswell :P
[02:05] <wendel> is opera in the repos??
[02:05] <joycetick> bbrazil: so like none of my settings will change my installing XFCE
[02:05] <nemesis> wendel, yes
[02:05] <Polarina> Is it possible to manually partition my harddrive during Ubuntu installation?
[02:05] <ompaul> Mofo, did you check the CD for defects?
[02:05] <Mofo> heretician, Okay bro. im not new user of ubuntu but this version really create a problem for me.
[02:05] <bbrazil> joycetick: they settings should be kept seperate
[02:05] <ion> come on guys how can I do that....I wanna my old breezy back....
[02:05] <Mofo> ompaul , yea i check but 0 defects found.
[02:05] <bbrazil> Polarina: yes
[02:05] <joycetick> bbrazil: ahh cool, thanks
[02:06] <wendel> is opera in the repos??
[02:06] <XiXaQ> wendel, yes!
[02:06] <Polarina> bbrazil, could you tell me how?
[02:06] <wendel> XiXaQ, under what :-)
[02:06] <bbrazil> Polarina: its' the 5th or 6th step iirc
[02:06] <XiXaQ> wendel, how many times do you need an answer to that question? It's named 'opera'.
[02:06] <ompaul> Mofo, are you going to answer my question, what way did you try to install?