  How are you?
[05:09] <ajmitch> half alive
[05:10] <bddebian> :-(  How come?  Too much partying? :-)
[05:20] <ajmitch> nah, not enough partying ;)
[05:24] <bddebian> Heh
[10:36] <_tonio> hi everyone
[10:37] <siretart> morning
[10:37] <ajmitch> hi
[10:37] <siretart> w00t. finally a fixed lyx in unstable :)
[10:38] <siretart> actually still in incoming..
[10:38] <ajmitch> now is the orig.tar.gz the same as what we have in breezy?
[10:39] <slomo> siretart: we already have a fixed lyx ;)
[10:39] <siretart> slomo: I wanted to wait for the debian version. the debian version fixes many bugs
[10:40] <siretart> plus: away from yada
[10:40] <slomo> ok, sounds good
[10:40] <slomo> yada is annoying
[10:40] <ajmitch> if the orig.tar.gz is different, we may have some troubles
[10:40] <slomo> then let's hope he used the upstream tarball and nothing else
[10:40] <siretart> puh. md5sums matches!
[10:40] <ajmitch> good
[10:40] <ajmitch> so it'll be easier to sync & drop ubuntu changes
[10:41] <siretart> I think \sh maintains the tosync list, doesnt he?
[10:41] <slomo> ajmitch: service discovery applet is uploaded :)
[10:41] <siretart> perhaps we should establish 'sync managers' ;)
[10:42] <ajmitch> slomo: good :)
[10:42] <slomo> good idea... this way elmo didn't get 100000 mails by 100 people who want to sync something but only one mail per day or something
[10:42] <ajmitch> siretart: bddebian already does that fairly well ;)
[10:42] <ajmitch> besides, syncs should just matter in the time after UVF
[10:43] <ajmitch> it'll be open season for auto-syncing once dapper opens
[10:43] <_tonio> little question, does anyone know a QT based email client that can connect to MS Exchange like evolution does ?
[10:43] <slomo> ajmitch: infact it was in NEW before it was on revu ;) uploaded to the wrong server first :( but i sent elmo a mail to remove it, he didn't yet so it should be fine ;)
[10:43] <ajmitch> slomo: heh
[10:43] <ajmitch> slomo: why ask him to remove it?
[10:43] <slomo> ajmitch: because it wasn't approved in revu yet
[10:44] <ajmitch> so?
[10:44] <ajmitch> just causes more hassle for elmo
[10:44] <siretart> ajmitch: we should definitly sync debian lyx for breezy
[10:44] <ajmitch> we can forgive some slip-ups like that, slomo
[10:44] <slomo> ajmitch: now it is and i send him a mail to keep it...
[10:44] <siretart> really, I had closer look at lyx, and from what I see from the changelog, the debian one is a must have
[10:44] <ajmitch> yep
[10:44] <slomo> siretart: so get it :)
[10:44] <ajmitch> thank bob2 :)
[10:45] <siretart> yepp :)
[10:45] <ivoks> ahm... hr.archive.ubuntu.com - connection refused
[10:45] <ivoks> us. too
[10:46] <ivoks> is this only me or something is going on?
[10:46] <ajmitch> yep
[10:46] <ajmitch> broken servers
[10:46] <ajmitch> so i think elmo won't care about s-d-a for awhile ;)
[10:46] <ivoks> this is bad publicity
[10:46] <slomo> ajmitch: it's not the only upload in NEW by me ;) and tomorrow will come another
[10:47] <slomo> ajmitch: and i have some stuff in binary NEW it seems
[10:48] <ajmitch> slomo: hehe, yeah
[10:48] <ajmitch> I've hardly done any uploads recently
[10:48] <slomo> btw... please look out for similar bugs like this one here: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2471
[10:48] <slomo> i think some packages should have same problems
[10:48] <ajmitch> oh fun
[10:49] <ajmitch> crack-laden software :)
[10:57] <zyga> hello
[11:10] <siretart> ajmitch: what is s-d-a?
[11:10] <slomo> siretart: service-discovery-applet
[11:10] <ajmitch> what slomo uploaded
[11:11] <siretart> ah
[11:12] <siretart> does anyone know whats going on with us.archive.ubuntu.com? I ask, because it also hosts security.ubuntu.com :/
[11:40] <aquarius> Where should I file bugs on universe packages? And how can I know whether a package is in main or universe?
[11:48] <ajmitch> aquarius: https://launchpad.net/malone
[11:49] <aquarius> ah, malone is all ready and working? I wasn't sure.
[11:49] <ajmitch> and apt-cache madison <packagename> will tell you if it's universe or main
[11:49] <\sh> moins
[11:49] <ajmitch> we've been using it for a few months for universe
[11:49] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[11:50] <\sh> my body needed actually 13 hours of sleep *sigh*
[11:50] <ajmitch> haha
[11:50] <ajmitch> I had that a couple of weeks ago
[11:50] <ajmitch> fell into bed & went straight to sleep
[11:51] <\sh> hehe..yeah..I just wanted to take little timeout and wake up again..but i didn't hear my alarm and this morning I thought.."wow..1 hour sleep and there is daylight" ,-)
[11:52] <\sh> hu..archive.ubuntu.com is not available?
[12:00] <vrln> is the breezy security server down? I'm getting a connection refused
[12:08] <\sh> vrln: archive.ubuntu.com is down
[12:10] <vrln> oh ok, was just wondering if it's a known issue
[12:11] <aquarius> ajmitch: I'm confused now; I've tried filing a bug against python2.4-gnome2-extras in malone, but it says that that's an "invalid value".
[12:11] <ajmitch> aquarius: because it's a package in main?
[12:12] <slomo> ok... see you later :) bye bye
[12:12] <aquarius> ajmitch: apt-cache madison says it's in hoary/universe
[12:12] <ajmitch> ah, hoary..
[12:13] <aquarius> Oh. Can I not use malone until breezy?
[12:13] <ajmitch> no, it's just that you're very unlikely to see the bug fixed in hoary
[12:13] <ajmitch> and malone was setup for universe use for breezy
[12:13] <aquarius> I agree, and that's fine, but I don't want to file the bug against breezy because I'm not *running* breezy :-)
[12:14] <\sh> aquarius: so u have to check first, if the bug still exists in breezy ;)
[12:14] <aquarius> \sh: I can't do that, afaict, without upgrading to breezy, which is a massive no-no for my main machine :)
[12:15] <aquarius> If someone here would like to test a Python one-liner for me to see if it segfaults in breezy, that'd be really handy :)
[12:15] <\sh> aquarius: so file the bug at all, tell that u r using hoary, and then someone must confirm the bug for breezy...or it's fixed in breezy ;)
[12:15] <\sh> aquarius: give me the one liner ;)
[12:15] <ajmitch> \sh: product isn't loaded in malone, I guess :)
[12:15] <\sh> ajmitch: doesn't matter...
[12:15] <\sh> ajmitch: fill in nothing and metion the name in the subject ;)
[12:15] <aquarius> \sh: yep, but I can't file it anywhere, beccause, I think, it's in universe in hoary but in main in breezy, so I can't file it in bugzilla.ubuntu.com or in malone.
[12:16] <aquarius> \sh: python -c "import gtk,gtkmozembed;m = gtkmozembed.MozEmbed();m.destroy();g2 = gtk.Window();m2 = gtkmozembed.MozEmbed();g2.add(m2);g2.show_all()"
[12:16] <aquarius> \sh: you'll need python2.4-gnome2-extras
[12:16] <\sh> aquarius: segfault
[12:17] <aquarius> ha. So it's still a bug in breezy, then :)
[12:17] <aquarius> OK, so where should I file the bug?
[12:17] <siretart> morning \sh
[12:18] <\sh> aquarius: bugzilla..it's in main
[12:18] <\sh> hey siretart
[12:18] <siretart> \sh: yesterday you said you had a list of packages to sync, right?
[12:19] <\sh> siretart: yepp
[12:19] <aquarius> \sh: cheers.
[12:19] <siretart> \sh: I assume it is not MOTUToSync
[12:19] <\sh> aquarius: give me the bug-no when u done...and I confirm
[12:19] <siretart> \sh: could you please add lyx to that list?
[12:19] <aquarius> \sh: 16281
[12:19] <\sh> siretart: no...it's in my tomboy note...I'll write a mail to elmo with all packages
[12:20] <siretart> okay
[12:20] <siretart> then we should take of the MOTUToSync list. it seems outdated anyway
[12:20] <\sh> hmm..who checked out gtkpod to sync?
[12:21] <\sh> have to check the logs
[12:21] <siretart> hm. lyx does not build in ubuntu, wrong gcc version
[12:22] <siretart> so adaptions will be necessary anyway. *sigh*
[12:23] <\sh> siretart: so merge then sync
[12:23] <\sh> siretart: did u checked gtkpod? if it builds correctly?
[12:23] <siretart> not yet
[12:23] <\sh> and works?
[12:23] <siretart> sorry
[12:24] <siretart> lyx wants  g++-4.0 (>= 4.0.1-8)
[12:24] <siretart> ubuntu has 4.0.1-4ubuntu8
[12:24] <siretart> hmpf
[12:25] <\sh> siretart: merge it :) and don't lose the changelog entries ;)
[12:25] <siretart> hm. ubuntu changes can be dopped, so no change necessary
[12:26] <siretart> it is only about to get the debian version building
[12:27] <aquarius> \sh: cheers for the confirmation.
[12:30] <\sh> siretart: ok...
[12:35] <siretart> gnarf. us.archive.ubuntu.com beeing down is now quite annoying :/
[12:35] <\sh> siretart: ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu is working
[12:35] <siretart> \sh: I dont want to fiddle with the pbuilder settings on tiber
[12:36] <\sh> ah
[12:36] <siretart> lets hope http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328684 does not affect ubuntu
[12:37] <\sh> siretart: doko is the maintainer he has to know :)
[12:38] <siretart> jupp
[12:39] <siretart> ajmitch: where did you take the deb of bzr for tiber?
[12:39] <ajmitch> siretart: look in sources.list
[12:39] <siretart> ah. thanks
[12:39] <ajmitch> I put in jbailey's snapshot repository there
[12:40] <siretart> thanks. I thought he had only daily
[12:40] <ajmitch> it is
[12:40] <ajmitch> 0.0.8+20050922-0 is installed
[12:52] <\sh> siretart: check /home/shermann/getkey.sh please...it should help to add unknown keys to revu
[12:52] <\sh> siretart: we could distribute it via /etc/skel
[01:47] <siretart> \sh: has the side effect, that the key ends up in your personal keyring, but is generally fine. I think /usr/local/bin/getkey is a better place than /etc/skel, though
[01:48] <siretart> hey, archive is back!
[01:51] <\sh> siretart: well...or we should try to search a solution that it's included directly in the revu key...
[01:51] <\sh> siretart: so revu-key add 0xkeyid or something
[01:52] <siretart> I think that including it in the personal keyring first is perfectly acceptable
[01:52] <\sh> lets see for revu2 ;)
[01:52] <siretart> revu-key import would be a solution..
[01:52] <siretart> :)
[01:53] <siretart> will hack something for revu-key.. lets see
[01:53] <\sh> siretart: hehe :)
[01:57] <siretart> \sh: ok, revu-key import 0xdeadbeef should work now
[01:57] <\sh> siretart: wow..that was fast
[01:57] <siretart> check the diff, though. keyserver.ubuntu.com is hardcoded
[02:00] <\sh> siretart: ist keyserver.ubuntu.com irgendwie verbaendelt mit den anderen keyservern?
[02:00] <siretart> \sh: yes, it syncs with other keyservers
[02:00] <\sh> *sigh*
[02:00] <\sh> sorry ;)
[02:00] <siretart> no problem for me ;)
[02:01] <siretart> I'm not sure how fast it is, but it sould sync rather quickly
[02:03] <siretart> wow: gpg: key D70AAFF9: "Matthias Urlichs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>956 new signatures
[02:16] <xerxas> hi
[02:17] <xerxas> someone using rhythmbox in breezy ?
[02:17] <xerxas> I don't seem to have gnome-vfs support anymore
[02:29] <zyga> xerxas: I do
[02:29] <zyga> xerxas: I'll check the vfs
[02:29] <zyga> xerxas: nope
[02:39] <xerxas> zyga: it works ? ,
[02:44] <siretart> \sh: whats up with jdong?
[02:44] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[02:44] <bddebian> Burgundavia: ping?
[02:44] <\sh> his ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net should be closed down...more problems then anything else
[02:44] <\sh> hey bddebian
[02:44] <bddebian> Hi \sh
[02:44] <siretart> huhu bddebian
[02:45] <siretart> \sh: this we keep telling since it existed ;)
[02:45] <\sh> siretart: yes...but now we have official backports..and he is still fcking around there and breaks the systems
[02:45] <bddebian> Grr, I'm gonna kill my wife.. :-(
[02:45] <siretart> \sh: but in general, he seems to read<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:45] <siretart> perhaps you can catch him there
[02:46] <siretart> bddebian: don't do anything you'll regret later! we still need you, you know
[02:46] <\sh> siretart: he should read the planet
[02:46] <bddebian> siretart: I started ANOTHER axiom build before I went to work and she shut-off my machine this morning!!!! :-)
[02:47] <\sh> bddebian: rotfl
[02:47] <\sh> bddebian: no point to kill her ;-)
[02:47] <bddebian> ;-)
[02:47] <bddebian> D00d, that thing takes HOURS to build :-)
[02:47] <siretart> bddebian: build on tiber ;)
[02:48] <\sh> bddebian: dude...this was a sign of her
[02:48] <\sh> bddebian: start the build and produce one more baby ;-)
[02:48] <bddebian> hahaha, No thanks.  Three is plenty :-)
[02:48] <\sh> bddebian: when it takes hours...produce 4 new babies ;)
[02:49] <bddebian> Wouldn't mind "practicing" though ;-)
[02:49] <siretart> \sh: btw, no need to sync lyx, I'll upload a version with looser dependencies in a minute
[02:49] <\sh> siretart: k
[02:49] <\sh> siretart: I'm testing the other syncs
[02:49] <\sh> bddebian: see...this is the correct solution ;)
[02:50] <bddebian> Is /usr/X11R6/include still valid?  I only see two .h files in there
[02:50] <\sh> bddebian: sudo pbuilder build axiom -> WIFE, LET'S PRACTICE ;)
[02:50] <bddebian> heh
[02:52] <\sh> ogra
[02:52] <\sh> OGRA!
[02:53] <\sh> ok...sync of sylpheed-claws-gtk2 -> denied
[02:53] <_tonio> \sh: did you have any news concerning amarok 1.3.2 in breezy ? The actual version is really crappy :(
[02:53] <_tonio> hi evryone ;)
[02:53] <\sh> _tonio: no...mdz didn't say a word..and he is off now
[02:53] <\sh> weekend
[02:53] <_tonio> arf.....
[02:54] <\sh> _tonio: what is crappy with 1.3.1?
[02:54] <_tonio> with gstreamer, alsa is unavailable, artsd uses 90% cpu, ands only oss seems to work fine.....
[02:54] <_tonio> with xine it is ok, I admit
[02:54] <siretart> okay, lyx uploaded
[02:56] <_tonio> \sh: but oss......... well if you don't have a card that performs hardware mixing, oss su*** really !
[02:58] <\sh> _tonio: let's be glad, that 1.3.1 is in breezy after UVF
[02:58] <_tonio> \sh: UVF ? I don't understand ;)
[02:58] <\sh> Upstream Version Freeze
[02:59] <\sh> _tonio: and amarok is main..so it was a risk anyways
[02:59] <_tonio> I know that ;) but really the gstreamer plugin causes many problem with version 1.3.1
[02:59] <\sh> _tonio: what problems? only because there is no alsa?
[03:00] <_tonio> no alsa and arts uses 90% cpu.....
[03:00] <\sh> _tonio: no..not on my computer, not on riddels
[03:00] <_tonio> ah ?
[03:00] <_tonio> strage really !
[03:01] <\sh> _tonio: are u using beagle?
[03:01] <_tonio> \sh: absolutly not
[03:01] <_tonio> \sh: nothing special at all...
[03:01] <\sh> 10974 shermann  16   0 89352  50m  25m S  6.0 10.0   8:20.35 amarokapp
[03:02] <\sh> even gnome-terminal uses more cpu-time then amarok
[03:02] <_tonio> \sh: hu ???? damn artsd works fine now...
[03:03] <_tonio> I had the problem last week, we saw that with Riddell and..... well it works ;)
[03:04] <\sh> _tonio: hmm..infinite loops in your mp3 ? ,-)
[03:04] <_tonio> \sh: ;) It seems I had a personnal issue last week or something ;)
[03:04] <\sh> _tonio: btw..amarok-1.3.2 uses more ram then 1.3.1 strange I know
[03:05] <_tonio> \sh: I have seen that when Riddell asked me to test yes..... but anyway on my computer it was really better ;)
[03:05] <\sh> _tonio: but 1.3.2 has a nicer volume slider
[03:06] <\sh> Lathiat: nothing to laugh about ,-)
[03:06] <_tonio> \sh: I have seen that indeed :)
[03:08] <\sh> bah..for sylpheed-claws-gtk2 i need a new sync of libetpan
[03:10] <\sh> _tonio: http://www.last.fm/user/shermann/ <- have a look...it runs and runs
[03:16] <bddebian> Anyone see a problem with syncing a new zipios++ ?
[03:17] <\sh> bddebian: u checked it and it has no other rdepends on it?
[03:18] <tseng> wesnoth and enigma
[03:18] <\sh> hmmm
[03:18] <\sh> wesnoth is not working right?
[03:18] <tseng> i am just posting the depends
[03:19] <siretart> wesnoth was the first package igor built for sparc ;)
[03:20] <bddebian> \sh: enigma.. oh
[03:20] <bddebian> \sh: There is a Malone bug about it
[03:21] <bddebian> tseng: Did you happen to look at grep-dctrl for any build-deps on libzipios...-dev?
[03:22] <\sh> siretart: i requested the syncs (gtkpod is ok, so don't ping elmo ;))
[03:29] <tseng> bddebian: no.
[03:30] <zyga> is it still possible to add a package to universe once breezy ships?
[03:31] <tseng> no
[03:31] <\sh> zyga: no
[03:32] <zyga> darn... I need to get going then...
[03:33] <zyga> \sh: will dapper have the same restriction
[03:33] <zyga> \sh: (I mean... 5 years?)
[03:33] <tseng> yes.
[03:33] <zyga> but new releases are still going to happen every 6 months?
[03:33] <tseng> yes..
[03:34] <zyga> :-)
[03:34] <\sh> zyga: main is 5 years on server installs / 3 years for desktop
[03:34] <\sh> zyga: but universe/multiverse is frozen
[03:43] <\sh> ogra: moins :)
[03:43] <ogra> \sh, hey..
[03:44] <ogra> do you read the ubuntu-de ML ?
[03:44] <\sh> no
[03:44] <ogra> lucky you... i'm slowly going mad...
[03:44] <\sh> ogra: sylpheed-claws-gtk2 doesn't build without a newer version of libetpan
[03:44] <\sh> ogra: I requested the sync of libetpan first..then sylpheed
[03:45] <\sh> ogra: link to the archives?
[03:45] <bddebian> Grrr, I'm beginning to really hate axiom
[03:45] <ajmitch> just beginning to? :)
[03:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: Heh
[03:46] <bddebian> Anyone happen to know why Burgundavia got assigned all the missing .desktop bugs on Malone?  Does he want to do something with them?
[03:47] <ogra> bddebian, he once started to collect the packagelist for the missing .desktop files...
[03:47] <bddebian> Well I "fixed" one last night and I want to make sure I'm not stepping on any toes :-)
[03:57] <havoc> so you guys are all paniced trying to get brezzy out on time?
[03:58] <ogra> nope... just hard working
[03:59] <havoc> ok :)
[03:59] <havoc> when is the official release date?
[03:59] <ajmitch> oct 13
[03:59] <havoc> cool, not far off at all
[04:00] <havoc> I finally have ubuntu on my workstation, but it is far from setup yet :(
[04:00] <havoc> is there a way to update the menus in gnome/kde after package installation?
[04:03] <bddebian> Does apt-get.org not keep source packages?
[04:05] <j^> apt-get.org is not a repository itself, it only provides an index for repositories.
[04:05] <bddebian> Well aye.  I found babytrans on one if their repos but can't find a source package
[04:05] <eruin> anyone familiar with building banshee here?
[04:06] <tseng> yes
[04:07] <eruin> do you know whether gtk-sharp2 in breezy provides what's needed for ipod-sharp?
[04:07] <tseng> huh?
[04:07] <ogra> bddebian, thats common, yo often find only binary packages in the apt-get.org repos, thats why we need to sort and review them before using anything from there
[04:07] <tseng> eruin: apt-get build-dep banshee;
[04:07] <tseng> eruin: if there is some reason you cant use our package
[04:07] <bddebian> ogra: Well babytrans is already in the archive but it depends babytrans-common which is not, nor is the source package.  Morgue it?
[04:08] <eruin> tseng, the current breezy package crashes badly on connected ipods
[04:08] <tseng> not mine
[04:08] <eruin> supposedly fixed in svn
[04:08] <tseng> yes.
[04:08] <ogra> bddebian, yup
[04:08] <eruin> it has something to do with itunes5 db handling/gtkpod db
[04:08] <bddebian> ogra: OK, thx
[04:08] <ogra> bddebian, it comes from marillat afaik
[04:08] <bddebian> Aye
[04:08] <tseng> oh, you screwd up your ipod
[04:08] <tseng> yes
[04:15] <\sh> gtkpod is requested for a sync...
[04:32] <bddebian> Damnit, gpac is the same problem..
[04:42] <havoc> although it is an oportunity to get ubuntu on *up to* ~600,000 k12 machines
[04:42] <bddebian> Nice
[04:42] <havoc> bddebian: yeah, but it's only at the RFI stage right now
[04:42] <havoc> these things progress *sllllooooooooowwwly*
[04:42] <zakame> hello all
[04:43] <bddebian> havoc: I know that feeling :-)
[04:43] <bddebian> Hello zakame
[04:43] <havoc> and my company is only a sub
[04:43] <havoc> for the bidder
[04:43] <zakame> bddebian, hi! :D
[04:44] <havoc> if you've ever worked on a state contract you get a very good idea where all of your tax dollars go :(
[05:00] <_tonio> \sh: http://www.last.fm/user/shermann/ -> I had a look, works nice ;) But really slow for me ;)
[05:09] <bddebian> ogra: Hmm, I did find source for babytrans-common
[05:10] <bddebian> Hmm and ffmpeg2 which provides libavcodec2
[05:11] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hey Mr. Policy, what's your opinion on bringing babytrans-common and ffmpeg2 into multiverse at this stage of the game? :-)  (If they even build of course)
[05:12] <ajmitch> you're asking me why?
[05:12] <bddebian> ajmitch: Because you were concerned with UVF and such recently
[05:13] <bddebian> and because you're smarter than me :-)
[05:13] <ajmitch> bah
[05:13] <\sh> bddebian: babytrans-common...there is something why it's not in our repos..
[05:13] <\sh> bddebian: elmo is the right person...or check the license
[05:13] <ogra> bddebian, i never looked at babytrans, but i know the package we have is from marillat
[05:14] <bddebian> ogra: Well I have a similar problem for gpac which build-deps libavcodec2-dev wich also comes from marillat from ffmpeg2 source package
[05:15] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's 3am here, don't expect any coherent advice from me
[05:17] <bddebian> Well go to bed homey
[05:20] <ajmitch> I am  :)
[05:20] <ajmitch> laptops are great
[05:20] <\sh> ajmitch: u should sleep .. u r much more worse then me
[05:21] <ajmitch> \sh: nah
[05:21] <ajmitch> I'll sleep later in the week :)
[05:21] <spayne> lo all
[05:21] <\sh> ajmitch: hehe
[05:23] <bddebian> Heya spayne
[05:27] <bddebian> spayne: Awesome
[05:33] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[05:34] <ivoks> hey
[05:34] <spayne> i have been fiddling with SUSE RPM packaging
[05:34] <spayne> how does it compare?
[05:34] <spayne> it seems easier to me
[05:34] <ivoks> with ubuntu? :)
[05:34] <spayne> no
[05:35] <spayne> i chucked openSUSE this morning
[05:35] <ivoks> ah...
[05:35] <spayne> all it seems you need to do is write a .spec file
[05:35] <\sh> spayne: RPMs are lame packages...
[05:35] <spayne> very true
[05:36] <spayne> but is it harder/easier on ubuntu in your opinion \sh?
[05:36] <ivoks> it's harder
[05:36] <\sh> spayne: debian packages are of higher quality
[05:36] <ivoks> but it gives better results
[05:36] <spayne> :)
[05:36] <ivoks> deb is supirior to rpm
[05:36] <\sh> spayne: RPMs are just "write here write there and break this"
[05:36] <spayne> i agree
[05:36] <ivoks> superior
[05:37] <ivoks> rpm has some fine features that deb lacks, but when you look it, deb is much more advance
[05:37] <zakame> yep
[05:37] <\sh> but beros kde rpm packages for redhat were the high standards of packaging ever ;)
[05:37] <\sh> We certainly didn't rename
[05:38] <\sh> ugh
[05:38] <zakame> many debian pkgs are strictly following debian-policy, which carries over to ubuntu pkgs
[05:38] <\sh> copy & paste buffer + cleaning the touchpad is evil ;)
[05:39] <spayne> what were the links to the tutorials on the Wiki for packaging
[05:41] <ivoks> spayne: google -> debian maintainer guide
[05:42] <ivoks> hm...
[05:42] <\sh> spayne: wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[05:42] <ivoks> check out this :)
[05:42] <ivoks> i have wrong time on my comp
[05:42] <ivoks>  11:42AM
[05:42] <ivoks> when i do ntpdate
[05:42] <\sh> need to do some real life work
[05:42] <ivoks> i get:
[05:42] <bddebian> \sh: Nahh :-)
[05:42] <ivoks>  timestamp too far in the future: Sep 25 17:40:38 2005
[05:43] <ivoks> question. how can i change time then? :)
[05:43] <zakame> debian-newmaint
[05:43] <\sh> date ?
[05:43] <ivoks> \sh: i know, but... ntpdate should work
[05:43] <\sh> bddebian: of course...I need my pants for tomorrow ;)
[05:43] <bddebian> heh
[05:43] <\sh> ivoks: hmmm....
[05:43] <ivoks> \sh: time-admin freezes
[05:45] <\sh> strange
[05:45] <ogra> ivoks, file a bug
[05:45] <ivoks> ogra: will do
[05:45] <\sh> use htdate
[05:45] <ivoks> date doesn't work either :)
[05:45] <ivoks> major problem, or?
[05:46] <zakame> how about translation errors on the date?
[05:46] <\sh> ivoks: hmm..did u installed your ubuntu with the wrong date somehow?
[05:46] <ivoks> \sh: no
[05:46] <ivoks> i changed time now
[05:46] <\sh> hmmm
[05:46] <ivoks> wanted to test syncronize
[05:46] <zakame> in Tagalog, September is `Setiyembre', not `Septiyembre'
[05:47] <spayne> is the debian/rules anything like the .spec fil
[05:47] <spayne> *file
[05:47] <spayne> where it defines patches, install, make, distclean etc..?
[05:47] <ogra> rules isjust a makefile
[05:47] <\sh> spayne: yes
[05:48] <zakame> spacey, yep
[05:48] <zakame> oops, spayne , not spacey
[05:49] <ogra> rmp spec files are makefiles to ?
[05:49] <ogra> rpm even
[05:51] <zakame> ogra, just a bit of it has some make rules, iirc
[05:51] <bddebian> Aaaaaahhhh I HATE AXIOM
[05:53] <siretart> ah, jdong is alive :)
[05:53] <ogra> rules files comply fully to the make standard and syntax, it actually is a makefile, i'm not very familiar with rpm, but i think spec is a mix from rules, control and other stuff in the debian dir
[05:53] <zakame> true
[05:53] <ogra> siretart, seems like, he broke a lot of systems recently
[05:53] <siretart> jupp
[05:55] <\sh> ogra: no...but it's a bit like it
[05:58] <ivoks> guess i'll have to restart
[05:58] <ivoks> :[[[[[[
[05:59] <siretart> is jdong funny or not?
[05:59] <ogra> not funny at all
[05:59] <\sh> ogra: Sep 24 21:02:25 ogra dholbach, der pennt *grmpf*
[06:00] <ajmitch> siretart: hm? he's alive where? :)
[06:00] <ogra> i'm very annoyed that there still is a unofficial backports repo, even it was a requitement from us that they shut it down to get their official repo bandwth and buildd access
[06:00] <spayne> ogra: isn't the extras going stay unoffical?
[06:01] <ogra> spayne, do that only if you use a /boot partition
[06:01] <siretart> spayne: extras is gone!
[06:01] <spayne> well, i just choose the LVM option
[06:01] <ogra> spayne, where is the point for hoary-extras  if they cant ship the illegal stuff anymore ...
[06:01] <spayne> siretart: has it?
[06:01] <siretart> spayne: it has some reasons why these 'extras' cannot be included in ubuntu,
[06:02] <siretart> spayne: do you see them somewhere around?
[06:02] <ogra> spayne, they apparently were asked by some lawyer to shut it down
[06:02] <spayne> sirestart: so how do i install RealPlayer then? from .bin?
[06:02] <marcin_ant> hi all
[06:02] <siretart> they had realplayer? intersting
[06:03] <siretart> spayne: I would try the packages from http://debian-unofficial.org rather than jdongs archive. serious
[06:03] <ogra> so it might have been real's lawyer then :)
[06:03] <marcin_ant> could someone tell me - or give url to some 'dumb' tutorial how to create patches for dpatch ?
[06:03] <spayne> the main reason i used it was for RealPlayer. w32codecs, libdvdcss2 and Sun Java
[06:03] <spayne> but Java is in Multiverse :). How did you get away with that?
[06:03] <siretart> spayne: sun java is in breezy/multiverse
[06:03] <ogra> siretart, i doubt they are complied with gcc4
[06:03] <siretart> ogra: realplayer does not need to be compiled with gcc4
[06:04] <ogra> siretart, nope, its blckdown and its only 1.4 for 1.5 there is no blackdown package
[06:04] <siretart> ogra: he did not say java5, just java ;)
[06:04] <ogra> siretart, it needs to work with our libc, doesnt it ?
[06:04] <spayne> is it better to use http://debian-unofficial.org or marillat?
[06:04] <ogra> spayne, neither
[06:04] <siretart> ogra: we carry libstdc++5 around with us, don't we?
[06:04] <spayne> how do i install RealPlayer then?
[06:05] <ogra> siretart, oh, its linked againsa that one ? then i'll shut up now
[06:05] <siretart> if in doubt and available, I'd rather look if they are in ubuntu, if not then debian-unofficial, and as least choice marillat.
[06:05] <siretart> ogra: I'm not sure, but there aren't much more possibilities
[06:05] <spayne> well, RealPlayer is in debian-unoffical
[06:06] <siretart> well, then try that ;)
[06:06] <spayne> but it is great than Adobe Reader and Java have made it into multiverse
[06:06] <siretart> spayne: feedback to the debian-unofficial mailling list is highly appreciated, I read that list
[06:06] <siretart> thanks
[06:10] <spayne> it installed
[06:10] <spayne> but no menu icon
[06:11] <\sh> ogra: but I will complain now towards john...read my mail ;)
[06:11] <siretart> \sh: already done
[06:12] <ogra> about the missing support i guess :)
[06:12] <siretart> I just sent a mail, I hope it is not too harsh
[06:12] <ajmitch> ah, jdong is alive on the -devel list :)
[06:12] <siretart> on -devel?
[06:12] <siretart> you mean on -backports
[06:13] <bddebian> ajmitch: I thought you were supposed to go to bed? ;-)
[06:13] <marcin_ant> spayne, you propably need to restart your panel to have this menu entry
[06:13] <ogra> bddebian, he already is in bed
[06:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: I said before, I am :)
[06:13] <bddebian> Oh hehe
[06:13] <ogra> marcin_ant, he shouldnt need to
[06:13] <ogra> gamin cares for it
[06:14] <ogra> (except realplayer installs its .desktop file in some weird place)
[06:14] <\sh> siretart: you mail is ok...mine is at least a bit harsh
[06:15] <siretart> okay
[06:15] <\sh> siretart: but I mean it...they have the infrastructure now,and they didn't shut it down...this is crap
[06:16] <siretart> spayne: does it work at all?
[06:16] <siretart> \sh: he mentioned that he needs his old repo for some left packages. I offered him help for the remaining ones
[06:16] <siretart> so lets see what happens
[06:16] <siretart> brb
[06:16] <marcin_ant> ok guys... please tell me how to create *.dpatch files for debian/patches?
[06:17] <bddebian> marcin_ant: dpatch-edit-patch is one way
[06:17] <\sh> siretart: he had the time to backport them from breezy...and we are here as well to help...if he doesn't want to communicate, he should open up his own support base, and get the blame for those issues he made
[06:17] <ogra> marcin_ant, http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[06:17] <spayne> it works
[06:18] <spayne> and yes, i have restarted the menu
[06:18] <\sh> now I'm feeling better ;)
[06:22] <spayne> siretart: there is a .desktop file in /usr/lib/realplayer10
[06:22] <spayne> but it isn't installed
[06:22] <spayne> and doing no good in there :)
[06:22] <marcin_ant> bddebian, thanks
[06:22] <marcin_ant> ogra, thanks too
[06:23] <bddebian> marcin_ant: NP
[06:23] <ogra> marcin_ant, thanks tseng for writing it :)
[06:23] <ogra> s/thanks/thank
[06:25] <marcin_ant> hmm just one thing....
[06:25] <marcin_ant> I need to patch configure file
[06:26] <marcin_ant> question is - should I patch configure.in or configure?
[06:26] <spayne> brb
[06:26] <marcin_ant> (if configure than I propably should run autogen - right?)
[07:07] <spayne> has anyone managed to get Skype installed on Breezy?
[07:08] <\sh> spayne: yes, before the cxx trans
[07:08] <\sh> spayne: and no after
[07:08] <\sh> spayne: this is packaging bug of skype
[07:08] <spayne> i have a dep. problem with libqt3c102-mt
[07:09] <\sh> yes
[07:09] <\sh> this is the old qt lib from before the cxx trans
[07:09] <\sh> the new one is called libqt3-mt
[07:09] <spayne> the package depends upon libqt3c102-mt
[07:12] <spayne> \sh: if i grab the tarball, where is a good place to put it? /opt?
[07:13] <\sh> yepp
[07:14] <spayne> can it be packaged independtly do you know?
[07:14] <ajmitch> no distribution allowed, iirc
[07:14] <\sh> well..you can distribute it after getting the permission
[07:14] <ajmitch> \sh: which is hardly ideal :)
[07:15] <spayne> well, could it go into Multiverse?
[07:15] <\sh> spayne: no
[07:15] <\sh> spayne: same reason
[07:15] <spayne> you can't get permission?
[07:16] <\sh> spayne: for what? skype? hey, use kphone ;)
[07:20] <spayne> \sh: well i never
[07:20] <spayne> \sh: the ubuntuguide package works! http://frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb
[07:22] <alisher> Hi guys, can somebody tell me who is responsible for the last version of Lyx 1.3.6-1(breezy), uploaded today?
[07:23] <\sh> alisher: siretart
[07:23] <ajmitch> alisher: problems?
[07:23] <alisher> thank you, it cant be installed, since lyx-common depends on "python (<2.4) but 2.4.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed"
[07:24] <ajmitch> ah, should be a quick fix then
[07:24] <alisher> 1.3.6-0 was ok
[07:24] <alisher> Ok, I send him an email
[07:25] <alisher> thk you
[07:27] <bddebian> Damn, I thought axiom took a long time when it failed.. Sheesh
[07:35] <siretart> alisher: I just read your email, I'm currently looking into it
[07:36] <ajmitch> siretart: should be simple fix, since debian has default python at 2.3 still :)
[07:36] <ogra> still ?
[07:36] <siretart> ajmitch: yepp, just seen it.
[07:37] <ajmitch> ogra: sure
[07:37] <siretart> I know it works with python 2.4
[07:37] <ogra> sigh
[07:37] <ajmitch> ogra: not sure if it'll have 2.4 as default or go to 2.5 when it's out
[07:37] <ajmitch> I know they're about to start mass drops of 2.1/2.2 packages
[07:38] <ogra> err, how long should etch take ?
[07:38] <ajmitch> a year or two
[07:38] <ogra> or three ?
[07:38] <ajmitch> depends :)
[07:40] <siretart> ogra: they target 18 months
[07:40] <bddebian> You know you're pretty sad when you get excited when you have a new e-mail and you think it's from elmo.. ;-P
[07:40] <siretart> imo it highly depends on how good the agreement about the SCC architectures will be, and how much work the release team will have
[07:41] <\sh> wow..now I'm fully community integrated ,-)
[07:41] <ogra> and how good the teams play together and if a developer is responsive and if the weather is bad or good ...
[07:41] <bddebian> doh
[07:44] <ajmitch> ogra: cynic :P
[07:44] <ogra> yup..
[07:44] <tambaqui> :)
[07:44] <ogra> in this case i happily admit my cynism
[07:45] <siretart> hehe
[07:45] <siretart> I really wish that etch will release before the security support for hoary ends ;)
[07:45] <\sh> ogra: it works when someone is responding or is available...but if you don't see those people, don't read them etc. pp. it's not working
[07:45] <ajmitch> siretart: why do you wish that?
[07:46] <ogra> \sh, exactly ... and thats why debian releases are hard to predict
[07:46] <ajmitch> siretart: since hoary will be supported for another year & ~ 3 weeks :)
[07:46] <ajmitch> (for main)
[07:46] <siretart> ajmitch: well I tried just this week to install sarge on modern hardware. didn't work :(
[07:46] <siretart> and this really isn't fun
[07:46] <siretart> :(
[07:46] <ogra> i heard something similar from Keybuk who wanted to try sarge->breezy
[07:47] <ajmitch> sarge's base was frozen quite early
[07:47] <ajmitch> including the kernel
[07:47] <ogra> yes, etches ago
[07:47] <ogra> :)
[07:48] <ajmitch> sadly it's debian's problems that have helped contribute to the growth of ubuntu
[07:48] <siretart> ajmitch: its not just base. its also the kernel
[07:48] <ajmitch> siretart: as I said :)
[07:49] <siretart> ajmitch: the newer kernel was neglected, mainly because of porting problems, read: problems on non main arches, iirc. They had the choice, and choosen the older one
[07:49] <siretart> which is not bad itself, but this drops support for really modern hardware
[07:49] <siretart> this sadens me, because I really enjoy using debian!
[07:49] <ajmitch> yep
[07:49] <ajmitch> as do I
[07:54] <ogra> why doesnt he just drop it *sigh*
[07:54] <siretart> ogra: because he does not understand what a transition package is
[07:54] <ogra> as Mez doesnt
[07:54] <siretart> I just explained that to him
[07:54] <siretart> lets see what he anwers
[07:54] <ogra> remember that i said that i'd only approve Mez for motu if he'd be capable to create empty packages ?
[07:55] <ogra> he didnt understand me...
[07:55] <siretart> hm
[07:55] <siretart> lets see what he answers next
[07:58] <\sh> ogra: yes
[07:59] <\sh> damn...I wanted to trim my beard today...now it's dark...
[08:00] <bddebian> hehe
[08:01] <ajmitch> uh oh, starting to get light outside
[08:01] <siretart> quick, vampires, quick! :)
[08:02] <bddebian> heh
[08:02] <ogra> \sh, hurry up, if you visit ajmitch now, yu got light for shaving soon ;)
[08:03] <siretart> oh
[08:03] <siretart> poor old igor was building gcc-snapshot all the day :(
[08:03] <tseng> what is this igor business
[08:04] <siretart> tseng: igor is a sparc donated to ubuntu for building universe
[08:04] <ogra> tseng, you never read pratchett ?
[08:04] <tseng> no
[08:04] <tseng> i read o'reilly
[08:04] <siretart> lol
[08:04] <bddebian> Bill O'Reilly?
[08:05] <tseng> he's ok
[08:06] <ogra> in the discworld novels the igors are persons assembled from dead bodyparts, they mostly are servants and live for aloong loong time...
[08:06] <siretart> hehe
[08:06] <ogra> mostly proxys and routers
[08:07] <siretart> in this case, igor is 'just' a humble buildd
[08:07] <siretart> if I understood fabionne correctly, he setup one of his private sparc to build breezy main only, and would need more hardware for the rest
[08:08] <ogra> oh, and igors are good in sewing and fixing themselves ;)
[08:08] <ajmitch> :)
[08:11] <\sh> ogra: don't be funnny...i don't have light in my bathroom...only this strange handlight ;)
[08:12] <ogra> \sh, call the girl from the other side of the street if sh can make some light for you ;)
[08:12] <\sh> ogra: yuck
[08:12] <\sh> never
[08:12] <ogra> heh
[08:13] <ogra> lol
[08:13] <siretart> ogra has a beard?
[08:13] <\sh> after 12 weeks I could go as alan cox ,-)
[08:13] <siretart> lol
[08:13] <\sh> no I have ;)
[08:13] <siretart> ah :)
[08:13] <ogra> siretart, only untils its long enoug to start itching
[08:14] <ogra> but in fat i shaved the last time when \sh was here... its about time again
[08:14] <\sh> ogra: lol...only for me? u r so sweet ;)
[08:14] <ogra> since i got that job i never leave the village... no need to shave
[08:14] <ogra> ;)
[08:14] <bddebian> heh
[08:15] <ogra> \sh, *smack*
[08:15] <\sh> ogra: hehe ;)
[08:16] <siretart> I cannot await UBZ to see you folks! :)
[08:16] <\sh> siretart: u will see me before :)
[08:16] <siretart> hehe :)
[08:16] <ogra> even if i'm not really after "below zero"
[08:17] <\sh> siretart: and then I will show you photos of ogra ;9
[08:17] <siretart> do you really think it will snow?
[08:18] <ogra> it will be below zero... pretty sure
[08:18] <\sh> HILFIGER TIME ;)
[08:18] <ogra> tere they go
[08:18] <ogra> *there
[08:19] <\sh> means I have to dig out my hilfiger jacket and wash it :)
[08:19] <ogra> heh
[08:20] <\sh> I'll discuss the interview questions in the meatime with the other folks ;)
[08:23] <ogra> i'll wear leather as usual :)
[08:24] <\sh> ogra: jeans rocks ;)
[08:24] <ogra> to thin
[08:24] <\sh> ogra: btw...I read the log from your session with the ubuntuusers guys :)
[08:24] <ogra> :)
[08:25] <Burgundavia> bddebian, feel free to fix any bugs I have assigned to myself, I am unlikely to get to them
[08:25] <\sh> ogra: quite interessting :) sitting right now there and discussion some ideas...
[08:25] <ogra> great
[08:26] <bddebian> Burgundavia: OK, thanks, I just didn't want to step on your toes :-)
[08:26] <\sh> ogra: you should get a continous page for writing about your workday as motu and main dev ,->
[08:27] <ogra> meh
[08:27] <\sh> ogra: just joking :)
[08:28] <\sh> ogra: btw...they found a name now..or two...Ikhaya or "Ubuntu Ibhuku"
[09:19] <bddebian> Damnit, axiom has literally been building for over 4 hours.. :-(
[09:20] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[09:20] <tritium> Hi bddebian
[09:27] <\sh> k guys..good night cu tomorrow :)
[09:28] <dholbach> hi
[09:29] <ivoks> 'evening
[09:30] <dholbach> ivoks: hi ante
[09:30] <ivoks> hi daniel
[09:30] <tritium> hi ivoks
[09:31] <ivoks> hi michael
[09:31] <ivoks> hi everybody else :)
[09:31] <dholbach> ;)
[09:31] <bddebian> Heya Daniel, and ivoks
[09:31] <ivoks> barry
[09:32] <bddebian> I'm starting to think that the axiom build is just running in a loop
[09:32] <dholbach> barry! :)
[09:32] <dholbach> hm?
[09:32] <dholbach> does it get killed in the end?
[09:32] <dholbach> by the don't-run-longer-than-2-hours-thing?
[09:33] <bddebian> It used to puke on me finding X libs.  I fixed that, now it just keeps on running.
[09:33] <ivoks> lol
[09:33] <bddebian> No it's been going for like 5 or 6 hours
[09:33] <ivoks> openoffice loves that thing :)
[09:34] <ivoks> oh
[09:34] <ivoks> http://bigbrother.rtl.hr/Uploads/resident/88/Image/182x297.jpg
[09:36] <dholbach> oh my, big brother in world invasion
[09:36] <ivoks> hehe
[09:37] <ivoks> show is stopid
[09:37] <ivoks> but this girl is cute
[09:37] <bddebian> OMG it finished!!
[09:42] <bddebian> And it even built, AND installs.. w000t
[09:42] <dholbach> bddebian: ROCK ON! :)
[09:43] <bddebian> Now I just hope I can remember the changes I made so I can upload it.. ;-P
[09:43] <bddebian> xfree86-common should be xorg-common now right?
[09:45] <ivoks> too bad firefox can't save on gnome-vfs :/
[10:02] <bddebian> dholbach: What's your thought on NEW apt-get.org packages?  I have two that I would need to fix some depends on existing packages?
[10:03] <dholbach> bddebian: that's super, if you'd kindly add the link to your debdiff, it should be alright
[10:03] <dholbach> just move them to the GO!-section
[10:03] <dholbach> (with your debdiff)
[10:04] <dholbach> now i'm curious - which packages are those?
[10:09] <zyga> hey everyone
[10:09] <zyga> I'd like a piece of advice
[10:09] <zyga> I'm about to repackage an existing package for an IM program
[10:09] <zyga> that's a pure gtk application with rich plugin system
[10:10] <zyga> I was wondering how would you recommend creating separate packages
[10:10] <zyga> it supports three im protocols, gadu gadu, jabber and tlen (similar to gadu gadu)
[10:10] <zyga> it supports sound via esd and arts
[10:10] <dholbach> repackage?
[10:11] <dholbach> what do you want to recommend?
[10:11] <zyga> the package already exists but it compiles one big package + icons package
[10:11] <zyga> how to split the package
[10:11] <bddebian> dholbach: ffmpeg2 (probably multiverse) builds libvcodec2-dev which is a build-dep for existing gpac.  babytrans-common is a build-dep for babytrans.
[10:11] <dholbach> you need to edit debian/control for that and have a couple of <package>.install files
[10:12] <dholbach> bddebian: i thought we'd chuck out babytrans?
[10:12] <bddebian> dholbach: That's fine too
[10:12] <bddebian> We can chuck gpac too for that matter :-)
[10:12] <dholbach> i thought that's what the guys agreed on
[10:12] <dholbach> haha :)
[10:12] <bddebian> I guess I'm not "one of the guys" :-)
[10:12] <dholbach> we'll have a SLIM universe, when we're finished
[10:12] <dholbach> but a maintainable ;-p
[10:15] <dholbach> bddebian: you rock
[10:16] <bddebian> Yeah right :-)
[10:34] <phlaegel> so what's with the mythplugins update yesterday that apparently built but hasn't shown up to actually get installed?
[10:37] <bddebian> Hmm, fix more crappy unmet deps or easy bugfixes??
[10:37] <bddebian> Anyone know the status of caudium?
[10:39] <bddebian> phlaegel: The buildd just says uploaded.  Was it NEW?
[10:42] <ajmitch> mm, morning people ;)
[10:42] <bddebian> Morning ajmitch .  Did you ever actually sleep? :-)
[10:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: sure, probably almost 2 hours
[10:43] <bddebian> Nice
[10:43] <siretart> yay. 2 more breezy boxes today :)
[10:44] <phlaegel> bddebian: it was on the build log as a success
[10:45] <bddebian> phlaegel: You might want to try to ping lamont or infinity
[10:48] <bddebian> OK, I know how to add a .desktop file.  What do I do about an icon?
[10:49] <\sh> bah...I wanted to sleep and office called me
[10:50] <bddebian> :-(
[10:53] <\sh> hehe
[10:54] <bddebian> Icons just go in /usr/share/icons?
[10:55] <dholbach> /usr/share/pixmaps?
[10:55] <bddebian> Hey, you are supposed to be the expert here :-)
[10:55] <\sh> pixmaps
[10:57] <\sh> should i try to go to bed again?
[10:58] <bddebian> Sure
[10:58] <bddebian> Thx btw
[10:59] <\sh> phone
[11:03] <siretart> gn8, \sh
[11:03] <bddebian> Heya mbreit
[11:04] <\sh> jesus
[11:04] <mbreit> hey guys
[11:04] <\sh> in less an hour two phone calls
[11:04] <siretart> hi mbreit
[11:04] <\sh> the week's starting crazy
[11:04] <siretart> \sh: turn it off ;)
[11:04] <\sh> siretart: per call 80? no ;)
[11:04] <bddebian> mbreit: What's up with cheesetracker, does it have build problems?
[11:04] <mbreit> bddebian: yes, it has
[11:05] <bddebian> OK
[11:05] <mbreit> bddebian: lamont wanted to look at it because it works everywhere but not on buildds :(
[11:05] <bddebian> mbreit: Ooohh, that's that one
[11:05] <mbreit> bddebian: ardour has the same problem ;)
[11:05] <\sh> smoking one last cigarette
[11:09] <bddebian> OK WTF is going on with axiom on the buildd?  I built it locally fine, now it's dep-wait on gcl
[11:10] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[11:10] <slomo> hi bddebian :)
[11:11] <slomo> bddebian: say lamont to remove axiom from depwait
[11:11] <slomo> or infinity
[11:11] <mbreit> bddebian: better tell infinity... he is around more often ;)
[11:12] <bddebian> slomo: It's a correct dep-wait but I don't have it here locally and yet in built/installed.
[11:13] <bddebian> It wants gcl (>= 2.6.7-6) and we have 2.6.7-3ubuntu1
[11:13] <slomo> ok... but in your upload the dep is right?
[11:13] <bddebian> I didn't change it
[11:13] <slomo> hmm
[11:13] <bddebian> It shouldn't have worked in my pbuilder either
[11:13] <slomo> do you have -6 locally?
[11:14] <bddebian> Nope, -3ubuntu1
[11:14] <slomo> ok... so it's maybe -6 in an old upload
[11:14] <slomo> just tell him to remove it from depwait
[11:14] <slomo> :)
[11:14] <bddebian> No I just looked at my source
[11:15] <\sh> bddebian: could be an old dep-wait status
[11:17] <\sh> so now..let me try again to go to bed ... night guys
[11:17] <mbreit> night \sh
[11:17] <siretart> gn8
[11:17] <bddebian> Later \sh
[11:18] <slomo> gn8 siretart
[11:18] <slomo> err.. \sh_away :)