[00:05] <ScottK2> So I'll upload it if I can get through a test build and have connectivity to upload ...
[00:10] <ScottK2> "Need to get 9927kB/89.6MB of archives" - I think it's unlikely I'll get that through airport wifi.  If it doesn't get done, I'll upload it tomorrow.
[00:19] <ScottK2> Riddell: If you want to look at something to add to upstream for kde-guidance you might look at the NMU that was just uploaded in Debian and see if you can solve any of those issues upstream.
[00:25] <vorian> ScottK2: isn't that what that bug is for? (keurocalc?)
[00:25] <vorian> and hello :)
[00:29] <_StefanS_> .
[00:34] <kitterma> Uploaded and boarding a plane ...
[00:55] <Hobbsee> LjL: since when are they legit?
[00:56] <LjL> Hobbsee, it's a pretty legitimate turkish ISP, and there's been quite a few people joining from there in #ubuntu - and Aranel (the guy who was in -ops wondering why he was banned) certainly seemed legitimate
[00:56] <Hobbsee> LjL: they weren't last time
[00:56] <Hobbsee> but yes, it's a reasonably wide ban
[00:57] <LjL> Hobbsee, sure the vast majority have been spambots during certain periods, but it's still just an ISP
[00:57] <Hobbsee> just nuke the turks :)
[00:58] <LjL> Hobbsee: i've nuked the spaniards, see #ubuntu-83
[00:58] <vorian> 0.0
[00:58] <Hobbsee>  HAH
[00:58]  * vorian hides
[00:58] <Hobbsee> OOPS, CAPS
[01:00] <Aranel> Banning a country 'cause of spammers like killing a fly with rocket launcher :)
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Aranel: depends what the s/n ratio is
[01:01] <Aranel> i cant see any spammers now :) i think they're bored and left this "important mission".
[01:09] <jjesse> evening
[01:09] <jjesse> why is it so hard to find power in o'hare airport?
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: flying around again?
[01:13] <jjesse> yeah trying to get to washington dulles airport and the plane is delay for 2 hours or so
[01:14] <jjesse> won't leave until 11:30 CST instead of 9:30
[01:14] <jjesse> so it will be supr late tonight :(
[01:26] <jjesse> i see kopete has been reved for kde4 when does konverstation get its turn?
[01:27] <Hobbsee> when they actually finish it
[01:27] <jjesse> just was curious if anyone knew
[01:28] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee btw
[01:30] <jjesse> dang it nixternal for closing bugs i've assinged to myself ;)
[01:30] <nixternal> hehe
[01:30] <jjesse> jerk :)
[01:31] <nixternal> ya, I noticed that but was like, screw keepin' um open if they are that old...if they think they think they are bugs they can reopen um :p
[01:31] <nixternal> I won't do it anymore
[01:31]  * nixternal crosses fingers
[01:31] <nixternal> I promise :p
[01:31] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse
[01:31] <jjesse> nixternal: you just have to keep[ your 5-a-day numbers up don't you :)
[01:31] <Hobbsee> yay, close the bugs!
[01:31] <nixternal> heh, I went over a week w/o touching my 5-a-day stuff
[01:32] <jjesse> i usually get a chance to work on my 5-a-day when i'm on my vista box and can't use the 5-a-day tool
[01:32] <jjesse> so i usually upload the day after
[01:32] <nixternal> ya, if there are bugs like 5 years old and I can't reproduce them, I just close them and let them know that if they feel it is still an issue, to go ahead and reopen the report with more information on how to reproduce it, or at least a crash log if applicable
[01:40] <jjesse> awesome flight now showing 11:45 departure time
[01:42] <ryanakca> hmm... can someone try to confirm bug 199441 please? I can't seem to reproduce here
[01:43] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 199441 in adept "adept toolbar buttons not disabled while installing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199441
[01:55] <jjesse> ryanakca: i am not able to confirm
[01:55] <ryanakca> jjesse: thanks :))
[01:58] <jjesse> ryanakca: np
[02:25] <ryanakca> umm... Do we support linspire bugs under kubuntu-meta? bug 200306, read "I just did a fresh install of Linspire 6.0 with the Ubuntu Feisty 7.4 OS."
[02:25] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 200306 in kubuntu-meta "kmplayer prevents kde install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200306
[02:25] <ryanakca> My guess is no.
[02:31] <nixternal> ryanakca: holy smokes, that is a first that I can remember that a dirivative posted a bug report on LP
[02:32] <ryanakca> lol. Reject :)
[02:33] <ryanakca> nixternal: would you keep bug #193843 under kubuntu-meta, or should I switch it to synaptic? I'm also guessing it's a "Won't be fixed in the forseable future" type bug?
[02:33] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 193843 in kubuntu-meta "Please port synaptic to KDE or Qt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193843
[03:26] <nixternal> I would move that bad boy to Synaptic as a wishlister
[04:12] <n8k99> tried to upgrade to hardy
[04:12] <n8k99> but the atheros driver for my wifi was not detected
[09:16] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:17] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[09:18] <Tonio_> hi Riddell
[09:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you notice any issue with knetworkmanager ?
[09:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: mine can't initiate wireless connections
[09:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I couldn't get any confirmation this  we
[09:18] <Riddell> havn't tried 0.6.6
[09:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: the application globally works, except than I have to use nm-applet to connect to wireless networks
[09:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum okay :)
[09:20] <Riddell> knetworkmanager works with latest version and latest network-manager and libnm-util0 for me
[09:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: so you can connect to wireless networks and so on ?
[09:21] <Riddell> yes
[09:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: then I have a local problem....
[09:22] <Tonio_> lemme try to reconnect
[09:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact it looks like the connection is very long and knm times out for me
[09:27] <Tonio_> nm-applet doesn't
[10:14] <jpetso> how can i find out what goes wrong when suspending my laptop
[10:14] <jpetso> assuming that it works in kde 3 and doesn't in kde 4
[10:34] <sebas> jpetso: composite involved, maybe?
[10:35] <jpetso> sebas: is there any way to get debug output on what fails?
[10:35] <jpetso> sebas: i'll try without composite
[10:36] <jpetso> sebas: how does guidance-power-manager invoke suspend?
[10:37] <jpetso> sebas: nope, composite is innocent
[10:39] <Riddell> jpetso: through hal
[10:39] <sebas> Usually via HAL
[10:39] <jpetso> hey, it just worked
[10:39] <jpetso> using guidance-power-manager, at least - with desktop locking disabled
[10:39] <sebas> jpetso: usual way to debug suspend problems is to boot with init=/bin/sh and try
[10:40] <sebas> then add driver modules one by one and try to find out which fails
[10:40] <jpetso> so the logout dialog suspend invocation doesn't work while guidance-power-manager does
[10:40] <sebas> Wait, does the invocation fail, or does suspend fail (i.e. hang, no resume, ...)?
[10:40] <jpetso> it doesn't go into suspend mode
[10:41] <sebas> desktop locking is broken in powermanager running on KDE4, I should eventually fix that
[10:41] <sebas> I'm usually invoking suspend through a script, all other methods failing
[10:41] <sebas> So I guess it never worked for me through the logout dialogue
[10:42] <sebas> Need to prepare for today's trip now ... let me know when you find out what's going wrong
[10:42] <jpetso> ok
[10:42] <jpetso> thanks for your help :)
[10:43] <jpetso> Riddell: cool FOSDEM talk, btw
[10:44] <Riddell> jpetso: thanks, it went better than expected
[10:44] <jpetso> Riddell: now i finally know which wiki page to consider if i want to package something :D
[10:46] <Nightrose> re from cebit :)
[10:46] <Riddell> hi Nightrose!
[10:47] <Riddell> Nightrose: is apachelogger there?
[10:47] <sebas> jpetso: try "solidshell power suspend to_ram"
[10:47] <Nightrose> he was talking on irc a few minutes ago so I guess he is back at home as well
[10:47] <jpetso> sebas: k
[10:48] <sebas> That's what the logout dialogue is probably calling, something you can strace :)
[10:48] <sebas> !afk
[10:48] <theunixgeek> What do you guys think about "C++ GUI Programming with Qt 4"?
[10:48] <ubotwo> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also «/msg ubotu Guidelines»
[10:48] <Riddell> theunixgeek: which one is that again? author?
[10:48] <sebas> theunixgeek: Pretty good book to get you started?
[10:48] <jpetso> sebas: works
[10:49] <sebas> Blanchett, Summerfield
[10:49] <jpetso> sebas: works
[10:49]  * Nightrose is still tired after a wek of cebit with _a lot_ of people who had no idea what open source is at all
[10:49] <sebas> jpetso: Then I don't know :>
[10:49] <theunixgeek> Riddell: Jasmin Blanchette and Mark Summerfield
[10:49] <Nightrose> quite depressing  sometimes
[10:49] <theunixgeek> sebas: yes, to begin Qt.
[10:49] <sebas> Nightrose: Well, now they know :>
[10:49] <jpetso> sebas: must be something trivial then, maybe i can find out myself from now on :)
[10:49] <sebas> theunixgeek: A good start, I've read it myself
[10:49] <sebas> jpetso: Otherwise, ervin is the guy you want to bug
[10:49] <Riddell> theunixgeek: if you know some c++ and OO programming, that's a good intro to Qt
[10:49] <Nightrose> sebas: ;-) true - but it is sad to see how much we still have to do
[10:50] <theunixgeek> Riddell: good :)
[10:50] <theunixgeek> thanks for the opinions
[10:50] <jpetso> sebas: ok
[10:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: heay
[10:53] <apachelogger> -a
[10:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: hola, I've e-mailed
[10:56]  * apachelogger is drowning in mails
[10:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: mine is quite important if you could
[11:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: I can't find it. Did you just send it?
[11:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>om
[11:04] <apachelogger> ah
[11:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: the spam filter on the getamarok domain is hungry today :)
[11:06] <Tm_T> apachelogger: feeed meeeee
[11:06]  * Tm_T hides
[11:11]  * apachelogger gives Tm_T a 'Microsoft - Novell - INTEROP X ABILITY' wristband
[11:11] <Tm_T> danke
[11:17] <Nightrose> apachelogger: thx :) - and nope I was not invited - as far as I can see - checking mails again now though
[11:17] <apachelogger> Nightrose: maybe it end up in some spam folder (also check your getamarok one :)
[11:17] <Nightrose> doing now
[11:21] <\sh> sebas: dude, wine is working again :) hopefully it works for you too :)
[11:21] <\sh> .oO(0.9.57 is on its way btw)
[11:22] <\sh> moins btw :)
[11:22] <Riddell> only 0.0.04 away from completion!
[11:22] <Riddell> hmm, katapult calculator doing something funny there
[11:22] <\sh> Riddell: you mean 0.0.43 ;)
[11:23] <Riddell> yes, speedcrunch gets it right
[11:23] <\sh> lol
[11:23] <\sh> and now I'm three weeks home alone ... crap
[11:27] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nothing in spam either but replied to the other mail
[11:32] <\sh> Nightrose: do you want to go by car or train to linuxtag?
[11:32] <Nightrose> \sh: probably car as it looks like I need to take the kde booth box from karlsruhe to berlin
[11:33] <Nightrose> dunno how this will work but we will see ;-)
[11:33] <\sh> Nightrose: ok...let's meet at some time somewhere to plan all the things :)
[11:33] <Nightrose> sure :)
[11:35] <\sh> Nightrose: what about this friday? :) I think it's time for a beer again ;)
[11:35] <Nightrose> hehe lemme check
[11:38] <Nightrose> *lol* you know what day that is?
[11:38] <Nightrose> but yea
[11:38] <Nightrose> sounds good
[11:40] <\sh> Nightrose: aehm no?
[11:40] <\sh> Nightrose: 14th :)
[11:41] <Nightrose> google calendar says it is "Pi day" and "steak and BJ day" :P
[11:41] <\sh> pi day?
[11:41] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:41] <\sh> steak and bj day? BJ as in "franzoesisch"?
[11:42] <Nightrose> right
[11:42] <\sh> what?
[11:42] <\sh> Nightrose: now what's BJ day?
[11:43] <Nightrose> ;-) well let's drink a beer on friday and talk about linuxtag
[11:43]  * Nightrose thinks \sh should google that
[11:43] <Nightrose> back to reading mails from last week
[11:44] <\sh> Nightrose: let's just forget the BJ from this day...this is .. I should file a take google down notice to google
[11:44] <apachelogger> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3913/
[11:44] <apachelogger> ah
[11:44] <Nightrose> ;-)
[11:45] <\sh> Nightrose: btw...it tells me about 14th feb...but we have march ;)
[11:45] <apachelogger> love all across the community
[11:45] <apachelogger> :S
[11:45] <\sh> http://www.petitiononline.com/320BJ/petition.html
[11:45] <\sh> oh no
[11:45] <\sh> 20th march...
[11:49] <jussi01> apachelogger: hei, I have a small bug for you
[11:50] <jussi01> apachelogger: its ubuntu specific, so for consideration when you get quassel into ubuntu repos.
[11:51] <apachelogger> hm, gmail has 34 bugs :-P
[11:52] <jussi01> apachelogger: There have been bugs filed with the other clients in ubuntu to have the default port used as 8001 instead of 6667, Id assume it would be good to have quassel like that also
[11:52] <mok0> Where should I report a serious bug in konqueror?
[11:53] <jussi01> !bug
[11:53] <ubotwo> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[11:53] <apachelogger> jussi01: what is the reason for that?
[11:53] <mok0> jussi01: You mean LP, not KDE?
[11:54] <Riddell> mok0: it depends if it's a kubuntu bug or a KDE bug, bugs.kde.org if it's the latter
[11:54] <jussi01> apachelogger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[11:54] <mok0> It's a KDE  bug.
[11:55] <mok0> The problem arises if the </title> tag is missing
[11:55] <mok0> The konqueror thinks the whole document is the title :-)
[12:02] <apachelogger> jussi01: I don't exactly see what I can do against this?
[12:03] <jussi01> apachelogger: when the program loads first, and you go to setup a network, the current default port is 6667, this should be 8001
[12:04] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:04] <apachelogger> since when is 8001 a default IRC server port?
[12:06] <apachelogger> jussi01: anyway, konversation doesn't patch that either
[12:06] <apachelogger> and since it isn't a security issue I also feel rather unintended to fix that
[12:06] <jussi01> apachelogger: afaik, all the major clients have bugs filed against them
[12:07] <apachelogger> not konversation
[12:07] <apachelogger> there only the port is changed for the default setup in k-d-s
[12:08] <apachelogger> also that this annoyance is caused by stupid hardware vendors, which makes makes me think we should inflame our users instead of working around in advantage for the hardware vendors
[12:08] <jussi01> apachelogger: hmm, I know bugs were meant to be filed, as it was spoken about on #ubuntu-ops but Im not sure if people filed them yet
[12:10] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: what's the problem with 8001?
[12:10] <apachelogger> well, quassel isn't in ubuntu yet anyway - still I, for one, wouldn't maintain a src patch for that issue unless like 90% of #ubuntu go off and on the very same moment
[12:10] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: is that a port used by the majority of irc servers?
[12:10] <apachelogger> because
[12:10] <apachelogger> the thing is....
[12:11] <apachelogger> quassel doesn't provide a default server list (yet)
[12:11] <apachelogger> so I would have to change the default port for _all_ network creations in quassel
[12:11] <Riddell> hi _StefanS_, do you have some screenshots of your current artwork?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: it's only set as the default for irc.ubuntu.com sin't it?
[12:12] <apachelogger> yeah, that's what I think
[12:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yes, just a moment
[12:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://enhance-it.dk/hardy/kdm.png
[12:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://enhance-it.dk/hardy/ksplash-login.png
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will some of the desktop in a moment
[12:19] <_StefanS_> +have
[12:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://enhance-it.dk/hardy/snapshot5.png
[13:10] <Riddell> _StefanS_: that all looks good, I say we get it in toot sweet
[13:11] <Riddell> _StefanS_: are you able to commit to kubuntu-default-settings and make a patch to the window decorator?
[13:24] <mok0> Grrrr! How do I get autoconf to use gfortran instead of g77??
[14:23] <Riddell> nixternal: KubuntuReleaseNotesTemplate looks fine, maybe we'll get a more difinitive status soon
[14:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I can commit to kubuntu-default-settings in the evening, Tonio_ promised to package the windeco for me as it requires some binary diffs
[14:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yup that's planned :)
[14:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sweet.
[14:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: ETA?
[14:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its an update to the windeco already present, so I guess its just considered a bugfix
[14:33] <Tonio_> eta ? what does this mean ?
[14:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: when.
[14:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: toonight, it'll be done
[14:34] <_StefanS_> cool.
[14:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Maybe you can help me out if I run into probs on k-d-s also
[14:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: about the presets for style etc.
[14:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure I can
[14:36] <Tonio_> what needs to be done ?
[14:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just enable qtcurve with preset, and wallpaper change for desktop, kdm and ksplash
[14:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and enable the right theme for crystal windeco
[14:39] <_StefanS_> thats it.
[14:39] <Riddell> kde-style-qtcurve is in universe
[14:40] <Riddell> it needs a main inclusion report and poking someone to review it
[14:41] <_StefanS_> uhm..
[14:41] <_StefanS_> so we cant make it?
[14:41] <Riddell> we can if there's a  main inclusion report and someone reviews it
[14:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we want to change the default now ?
[14:43] <Riddell> now or never
[14:44] <_StefanS_> who can write that inclusion report?
[14:44] <Riddell> you!
[14:44] <_StefanS_> heh thought so :)
[14:45] <_StefanS_> url?
[14:45] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[14:45] <Riddell> using https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportTemplate
[14:47] <_StefanS_> argh.. its going to be tonight then.. too much to write for me now
[14:47] <_StefanS_> gotta go. see you tonight
[15:30]  * ryanakca has decided that he's going to be using KDE4 from trunk apps whereever possible for the next week :)
[15:32] <seele> when does planning for Intrepid begin?  before or after hard is released next month?
[15:40] <Jucato> doesn't it usually happening during UDS?
[15:40] <seele> yeah, but we have to plan what we are covering at UDS at some point
[15:40] <seele> i just dont know if i should start bringing stuff up now or wait until hardy is released
[15:40] <Jucato> ah. that could be the topic for next meeting? :)
[15:43] <seele> if it is the one at 20:00 UTC?
[15:43] <seele> yeah.. looks like it
[15:43] <Jucato> 23:00 UTC :)
[15:44] <seele> oh, better fix my calendar
[15:44] <seele> oh hmm..
[15:45] <seele> when do non-US people do daylight savings?  this weekend?
[15:45] <seele> i always forget if we are one week or two weeks out of wack with the rest of the world
[15:45] <Jucato> hm. very few non-US countries do. but according to kicker, the US is back to the sane times
[15:45] <Nightrose> A
[15:46]  * Nightrose staps irssi
[15:46] <Jucato> :)
[15:46] <seele> is that a slap or a stab?
[15:46] <Jucato> or a stop?
[15:46] <Nightrose> stab - slap maybe later ;-)
[15:47] <seele> him, so we are -4 instead of -5..
[15:47] <Jucato> EST? -4 UTC (again according  to kicker)
[15:47] <Riddell> Jucato: plenty of countries do summer time
[15:48] <Jucato> Riddell: oh...
[15:48] <seele> Jucato: yes
[15:48]  * Jucato considers himself lucky :)
[15:49] <Jucato> hm... -5 +1 it seems: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179
[15:50] <seele> oh, so that means the 11:00 UTC meetings will be at a respectable time and i might even be awake
[17:02] <Mez> Riddell, are we too late now to do a sync from debian ?
[17:03] <Mez> (for katapult when it's changes are pushed there)
[17:04] <Riddell> Mez: no but mind beta freeze is on thursday
[17:05] <Mez> Riddell, hopefully it'll get through today
[17:05]  * Mez needs an ever attentive and doting DD
[17:05] <Riddell> obvious bugfix only sync before then is fine, anything more neeeds release team approval (moi)
[17:05] <Mez> Riddell, its the ubuntu changes + dash ftbfs (debian release) + slovak translation update + actually linking against the proper libs
[17:06] <Mez> s/debian release/debian release goal/
[17:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's happened to the flash installer in konqueror?
[17:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: last time I tested, it worked
[17:33] <Tonio_> a few weeks ago
[17:33] <Tonio_> 2 maybe 3
[17:33] <Riddell> I can't see the patches for it now
[17:36] <nixternal> argh, seems one of the latest updates destroyed my audio, and now everytime audio tries to play my system crashes
[17:36] <nixternal> that rocks!
[17:36] <n8k99> nixternal: is that on gutsy?
[17:36] <nixternal> hardy
[17:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: lost when going 3.5.9 ?
[17:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll have a look
[17:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: should the patches be in kdebase?
[17:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdelibs afaicr
[17:37] <nixternal> knetworkmangler is crashing, anyone know about that already?
[17:38] <Mez> Riddell, it's just been uploaded to debian. Should I file a sync request?
[17:39] <Riddell> Mez: yes if you can point to where to find it
[17:39] <Mez> lol - I'll wait till tomorrow then
[17:39] <nixternal> groovy, already fixed the sound issue with the kernel
[17:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: I see kubuntu_62_flash_installer.diff in kdelibs, although konqueror doesn't seem to pop up the installer
[17:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: it doesn't on every website
[17:43] <Riddell> I was looking at an issue where it warns about flashplayer.xpt not existing
[17:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum maybe that file was removed from the latest binary downloadable
[17:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: if so, the configuration is in kds
[17:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, I see what needs changed there, thanks
[17:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: you're welcome :)
[17:58] <ryanakca> hmm... incredible how many excruciatingly old, untouched bugs we have still marked "Invalid"...
[18:00] <Riddell> doesn't launchpad close those eventually?
[18:04] <ryanakca> Riddell: I think it just sets them as "Exprirable"... dunno
[18:04] <ryanakca> There's a few here from 04, 05 and 06 https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+expirable-bugs
[18:04] <ryanakca> s/Invalid/Incomplete/g
[18:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: "Fix and enable KDE 4 settings" you sure that works?
[18:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[18:18] <apachelogger> I told nixternal to test it
[18:18] <apachelogger> dunno whether he did
[18:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: the lines in the makefile aren't uncommented yet I think
[18:18] <Serega> what is better in pykde script: i18n or ki18n?
[18:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, what to do with bug #191475
[18:23] <apachelogger> bug 191475 maybe
[18:23] <apachelogger> apparently the bot doesn't like me today
[18:26] <jussi01> the bot is dead.
[18:27] <apachelogger> yay
[18:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/191475
[18:37] <ScottK2> Riddell: The kde-guidance upload I did yesterday contained 5 patches (kubuntu_09 - 13).  All except for 11 should be committed upstream.
[18:44] <manchicken> The alpha6 installer doesn't like vmware. :'(
[18:45] <manchicken> But maybe that's because I'm trying to use konqueror at the same time.
[18:45] <manchicken> It's the kde4 image I'm talking about.
[18:55] <seele> Riddell: you're mentoring the LF Printing dialog?
[18:55] <seele> for SoC?
[19:07] <yuriy> printing dialog?
[19:31]  * ryanakca wonders if writing a patch for Konqueror to add the Ubuntu search engine shortcut? (similar to gg: for google, dbug: for debian BTS, wp: for wikipetia, etc)
[19:31] <ryanakca> Same for search K(U)buntu bugs on Launchpad
[19:31] <ryanakca> s/shortcut/shortcut would be usefull/g
[19:34] <smarter> BTW, the upkg: Konqueror shortcut should be updated
[19:34] <smarter> when you use it you get this on top of the page: "You reached this site over an old URL. Depending on the exact parameters your search might work or not."
[19:35] <smarter> ryanakca: you don't need to write a patch, it's in kubuntu-default-settings
[19:35] <ryanakca> smarter: ah, oops :)
[19:36] <smarter> and you can create them yourself if you right-click on the  search bar
[20:11] <apachelogger> hm
[20:11] <apachelogger> smarter: I think you just won the right to update the upkg shortcut
[20:12] <smarter> huzzah
[20:49] <mzungu> ScottK: re bug 156031 - how can i help?
[20:51]  * ScottK2 looks for the bug
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> bug #156031
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> !bug #156031
[20:52] <Tm_T> ubotu: are you dead yet? *blam*
[20:54] <smarter> apachelogger: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts is not maintened with bazaar
[20:55] <mzungu> i just got mail on it from you
[20:55] <mzungu> no?
[20:55] <ScottK2> Right
[20:55] <ScottK2> That one
[20:55] <mzungu> :)
[20:55] <ScottK2> LP finally loaded the page
[20:56] <ScottK2> mzungu: The big question is the one I added in the bug.
[20:57] <ScottK2> We've had problems before with kparts and low memory systems
[20:57] <mzungu> ok - 512MB RAM - 1GB swap
[20:57] <ScottK2> Please start a python shell
[20:57] <mzungu> how?
[20:58] <mzungu> (sorry ;) )
[20:58] <ScottK2> Open a console window
[20:58] <ScottK2> No problem
[20:58] <ScottK2> and then type python
[20:58] <mzungu> k
[20:58] <mzungu> yup
[20:59] <ryanakca> Umm... bug 200306 ... is a bug for Linspire, which supposedly uses Ubuntu packages. I'm not too sure, the bug might also be in our packages. Or it might just be that someone from Linspire messed them up. Invalid?
[20:59] <ubot3> Malone bug 200306 in kubuntu-meta "kmplayer prevents kde install" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200306
[20:59] <ScottK2> Then type (you can copy/paste): from kparts import konsolePart,TerminalInterface
[21:00] <ScottK2> ryanakca: I generally mark them invalid and welcome them to reopen the bug if the problem can be replicated on Kubuntu.
[21:00] <mzungu> yup
[21:00] <ScottK2> mzungu: Any errors?
[21:00] <ScottK2> ryanakca: That one's definitely invalid
[21:01] <mzungu> nope - just returned to py prompt
[21:01] <ScottK2> OK.  that's what it should do.
[21:01] <mzungu> no message of any kind
[21:01] <mzungu> k
[21:01] <ScottK2> mhb: You around?
[21:01] <ScottK2> mzungu: mhb knows a lot more about gdebi-kde than me.
[21:02] <mzungu> ok
[21:02] <mzungu> so for you, when you rt-click on a .deb in konq, it installes ok?
[21:03] <ScottK2> I didn't try that.  I just did it on the command line and it worked fine.
[21:03] <ScottK2> It's worked for me in the past.
[21:03] <ryanakca> heh, I can't even seem to find a Linspire BTS to forward the guy to.
[21:03] <mzungu> ah - i was playing the part of the uneducated user ;)
[21:04] <mzungu> (ie. the soon-to-be majority ;)
[21:04] <ScottK2> mzungu: No problem.  That should work.    Given the way gdebi works it'll either install stuff correctly or not at all.  As long as you pick a package to install you don't mind having on your system, it should be safe.
[21:07] <nixternal> w00t, I am not alone
[21:07] <smarter> i feel better know :p
[21:07] <ryanakca> nixternal: Have a bug ID I can confirm?
[21:07] <smarter> this drive me crazy
[21:07] <smarter> i almost destroyed my f12 key :p
[21:07] <nixternal> ryanakca: there are about a 100 of them somewhere
[21:08] <mzungu> k - i'll revert
[21:09]  * ryanakca is slowly catching up to nixternal's wopping 287 bugs :)
[21:10] <ryanakca> s/287/281
[21:13] <nixternal> today will be a slow bug day, as I will be uploading patches
[21:15] <ScottK2> nixternal: Isn't that completely the opposite of what it should be.
[21:29] <_StefanS_> evening
[21:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey
[21:32] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: When I add the klamav patch you helped me with to the Debian version of the package, do you want a mention in the changelog?
[21:33] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: no dont bother :)
[21:33] <ScottK2> mzungu: Since it appears mhb is not around (probably sleeping), please add the RAM/swap info to the bug and hopefully he'll look at it.
[21:33] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: OK.  Up to you.
[21:34] <mzungu> ok - latest - it appears to be working now - mebbe since gutsy initial release, some other update has fixed it?
[21:35] <ScottK2> mzungu: You were using gutsy as released with no updates?
[21:35] <ScottK2> Before i mean
[21:36] <mzungu> originally, when i reported - it was about 1 week after release - my system has been updated many times since then
[21:36] <ScottK2> Ah.
[21:36] <ScottK2> I see.
[21:36] <mzungu> (by normal security updates etc)
[21:36] <ScottK2> There was an update a bit after release that would account for it working now.  I hadn't noticed the timing.
[21:37] <ScottK2> If it works now then, please just mark it fix released with a comment that it's working now.
[21:37] <mzungu> ahhh - i guess the only way to be sure is to install a fresh gutsy from cd
[21:37] <ScottK2> If it's working for you now, I think that's good enough.
[21:38] <ScottK2> As I know there was a Konsole update early on the fixed excessive memory use problem.
[21:38] <mzungu> sure - and as i said at the time - i'm happy with dpkg -i ;)
[21:39]  * ScottK2 too.  I actually remove gdebi myself.  I only know about the problem because it affected the update manager too.
[21:39] <mzungu> just trying to think of 'mr. average user'
[21:39] <ScottK2> Which is good.
[21:39] <mzungu> only way forward i guess
[21:40] <mzungu> the famous test being 'my mother can install and use it' ;)
[21:40] <mzungu> (and mine is 78!)
[21:42] <mzungu> ScottK2: can you make a more informed update on lp then i could do?
[21:42] <ScottK2> Sure.
[21:43] <mzungu> ok - g'night
[21:44] <ScottK2> Good night and thanks mzungu for showing up to ask about it.
[21:45] <mzungu> np
[21:52] <Riddell> _StefanS_: how's the artwork going?
[21:57] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I havent done anything yet
[21:57] <Riddell> _StefanS_: still planning to?
[21:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yes, I just not sure where to start
[21:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: brb in 5 mins.
[21:58] <Riddell> _StefanS_: are you a member of kubuntu-members ?
[21:59] <Riddell> yes, you are
[21:59] <_StefanS_> yep
[21:59] <Riddell> bzr co<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:00] <Riddell> change the wallpaper file
[22:00] <Riddell> add a line to debian/changelog
[22:00] <Riddell> bzr commit
[22:00] <Riddell> obviously change the jr@ there for your launchpad name
[22:01] <Riddell> oh and you'll need a public ssh key in your launchpad account
[22:01] <Riddell> who's the guy that's doing the grub editor again?
[22:05] <ryanakca> Riddell: I think mhb might've been involved... I might be completely wrong though :)
[22:07] <Riddell> he was planning it but someone else went and wrote one
[22:13] <_StefanS_> Riddell: OK, I'm back.. will do the changes now
[22:15] <Riddell> ScottK2: still planning on doing a kde-guidance upload?
[22:17] <ScottK2> Riddell: I did it yesterday
[22:17] <ScottK2> Just as my airport wireless was dieing
[22:18] <ScottK2> Riddell: I've also uploaded a new python-qt3 reverting the pyqtconfig change we don't need anymore
[22:19] <Riddell> so you did, thanks for that
[22:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is it oka to commit the changes when done ? Just want to be sure
[22:25] <seele> someone is working on the grub editor after all this time?
[22:27] <Riddell> _StefanS_: go ahead, I can revert if you break it :)
[22:27] <mornfall> All this time is very relative.
[22:27] <Riddell> seele: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=75442
[22:27] <Riddell> artemisfowl is
[22:29] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok, its done.
[22:29] <serega> why could KMEssageBox display unlocalized 'Yes' and 'No' buttons? pykde
[22:29] <serega> I do not believe they're untranslated
[22:29] <Riddell> serega: is the rest of the app translated?
[22:30] <serega> Riddell: via gettext: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/937226
[22:30] <serega> Riddell: caption and message itself are translated as well
[22:31] <Riddell> gettext.install('kaffeine-install-codecs', None, True)  you'd also need to import "kde"
[22:31] <Riddell> or add catalogue
[22:32] <Riddell> but serega, I'd recommend writing in pyqt4, since that makes it futureproof
[22:34] <serega> Riddell: aah... I'll try. about qt4: I thought we will not need kaffeine in kde4. well... this script anyway because kde4-version of kaffeine will use phonon
[22:35] <serega> Riddell: thanks for advice, much time was spent before :)
[22:37] <Riddell> serega: phonon will still need to install libxine-ffmpeg etc
[22:37] <Riddell> and I expect kaffeine will come to kde 4, but dragonplayer and others would be the same
[22:38] <serega> Riddell: sounds hopefully
[22:40] <serega> Riddell: can you point me to some localized pyqt4 script package as a reference?
[22:44] <Riddell> serega: system-config-printer-kde
[22:44] <Riddell> look at the applet script
[22:44] <Riddell> it uses gettext
[22:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I cant figure out how to specify a name for my mir request, will have to wait until tomorrow
[22:45] <Riddell> there's a bit there which overloads the translations when doing .ui loading, but I don't suppose you'll need that
[22:45]  * serega bows
[22:45] <Riddell> _StefanS_: MainInclusionReportKdeStyleQtcurve
[22:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: how?
[22:46] <_StefanS_> forgive me for not being too much into that wiki stuff
[22:46] <Riddell> _StefanS_: go to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportKdeStyleQtcurve
[22:47] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[22:47] <Riddell> click on MainInclusionReportTemplate under Page Templates
[22:47] <Riddell> fill in blanks
[22:47] <Riddell> add to UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[22:47] <_StefanS_> cool thanks
[22:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do you know why I cant select UbuntuMainInclusionQueue in the kubuntu.org wiki?
[22:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: document is done btw.
[23:02] <_StefanS_> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportKdeStyleQtcurve, maybe you can find the UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[23:02] <_StefanS_> good night.
[23:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you update the window buttons?
[23:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: the package is on the road
[23:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll be on conrib day tomorrow, will upload then
[23:18] <Tonio_> as well as fixed patches for xdg dirs in kde dialog boxes
[23:18] <Riddell> groovy
[23:29] <mornfall> Riddell: I'd need to have libwibble and libept synced from Debian when they land... (should be tomorrow, they have been uploaded a little while back). Est-ce possible?
[23:29] <mornfall> I vaguely recall you had some g++ 4.3 patches for ept, they should be merged in .15, too.
[23:30] <Riddell> mornfall: I can sync those tomorrow
[23:31] <mornfall> Great. I'll PPA alpha4 when that happens.
[23:41] <mornfall> R. [  27: Debian Installer       ] libept_0.5.15_i386.changes ACCEPTED
[23:42] <mornfall> Great.
[23:42] <mornfall> Now I probably have a bug there, so I may need to upload a .1 or something to fix it, but that can wait right now.


[00:02] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: ocrfeeder is still stuck so I'll override it
[00:04] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: thanks!
[00:43] <bdmurray> mwhudson: does  bug 1952093 need fixing in Jammy?
[00:43] <mwhudson> bdmurray: no
[00:43]  * mwhudson bug statuses
[09:07] <Unit193> slyon: Hello!  I hear you're a new core-dev and may be keen to try out sponsoring, if so could you take a look at https://unit193.net/source/pastebinit_1.5.1-1ubuntu1.dsc ?
[09:14] <slyon> Unit193: heh, not that new after all, but anyways I'll put that on my list to review later! :)
[09:15] <Unit193> \o/
[09:44] <slyon> Unit193: LGTM! Did you submit those patches to Debian, too? They look rather generic and useful for Debian.
[09:45] <Unit193> Trying to poke the right people about this, kinda dorment so going "upstream" first.  That didn't start out as an Ubuntu upload, in fact.
[09:54] <slyon> Unit193: ok. May I suggest you doing the "submittodebian" limbo at least? So it will be available in the Debian bug tracker for Simon to pick up.
[09:54] <slyon> Otherwise that's a very nice diff, the only thing I'd like to suggest for the future would be using DEP-3 headers: https://dep-team.pages.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[10:00] <Unit193> Yeah, likely a good idea.  If nothing else, to silence lintian. :P
[10:02] <Unit193> Thanks slyon!
[10:09] <schopin> Unit193: for the record, the newest, shiniest Core Dev is jawn-smith (Americas tz) ;-)
[10:12] <schopin> bryceh: thanks for the upload, duly noted for the Core Dev thing :)
[10:17] <schopin> bryceh: regarding git-ubuntu, it wasn't very clear that (in most cases?) it's pretty-much read-only. The recent developments for rich history incorporations are a step in the right direction, but it's only relevant for those with upload rights to the packages handled by git-ubuntu, which AIUI are basically all in main?
[10:18] <Unit193> schopin: Haha yes!  I did see that, but not pokable right now, seems he's gone. :P
[10:22] <schopin> Most people these days look for the "github project" when trying to contribute, or at least the Git repo. "Ubuntu git" in Google gives me the git-ubuntu tool as in the first page, and the only relevant result if you want to contribute to Ubuntu and not just install git.
[10:23] <schopin> bryceh: That's why I find it confusing. However, I'm using it for my merges and am loving it :)
[11:37] <schopin> doko_: waveform: does this ICE on armhf look familiar to either of you? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/571874086/buildlog_ubuntu-jammy-armhf.postgresql-14_14.1-1build1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:38] <schopin> My Google-fu gives me some bug report related to inline assembly, but the affected file doesn't have any inline assembly.
[11:38] <doko> schopin, no, I can have a look later this week
[11:39] <doko> but: "The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem." so maybe retry the build first
[11:43] <KBar> Hi. I was having a look at bash's startup files and found this particular line in /etc/bash.bashrc in this script that displays information about sudo the first time bash is invoked: case " $(groups) " in *\ admin\ *|*\ sudo\ *)
[11:44] <KBar> Isn't the group called "adm" these days?
[11:45] <waveform> schopin, no doesn't look familiar but this thread from a few days ago looks eerily familiar<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(and doesn't involved inline assembly)
[11:50] <KBar> Nevermind, "adm" is actually used for system monitoring tasks, as per Debian Wiki.
[11:56] <schopin> doko: already the second build :/
[11:57] <schopin> waveform: I've seen the thread (well, glanced at it to find the bugzilla link), and on the bugzilla from what I understand (which isn't much) it *is* an inline assembly issue. Perhaps the asm comes from functions that are inlined in my source, though.
[12:04] <waveform> schopin, could well be -- may be worth trying the -DSTAP_SDT_ARG_CONSTRAINT workaround
[12:08] <waveform> schopin, -DSTAP_SDT_ARG_CONSTRAINT=g that is
[12:15] <rbasak> schopin: it's only relevant for those with upload rights to the packages handled by git-ubuntu> isn't that the same for basically every GitHub repo, where only one person or a small set of people can commit? But anyone can file a pull request against any repo, and that's the same with git-ubuntu. We've also been adding a repository for nearly any package on request, including packages in universe.
[12:15] <rbasak> schopin: it's only relevant for those with upload rights to the packages handled by git-ubuntu> isn't that the same for basically every GitHub repo, where only one person or a small set of people can commit? But anyone can file a pull request against any repo, and that's the same with git-ubuntu. We've also been adding a repository for nearly any package on request, including packages in universe.
[12:15] <rbasak> schopin: it's only relevant for those with upload rights to the packages handled by git-ubuntu> isn't that the same for basically every GitHub repo, where only one person or a small set of people can commit? But anyone can file a pull request against any repo, and that's the same with git-ubuntu. We've also been adding a repository for nearly any package on request, including packages in universe.
[12:15] <rbasak> schopin: it's only relevant for those with upload rights to the packages handled by git-ubuntu> isn't that the same for basically every GitHub repo, where only one person or a small set of people can commit? But anyone can file a pull request against any repo, and that's the same with git-ubuntu. We've also been adding a repository for nearly any package on request, including packages in universe.
[12:15] <rbasak> schopin: it's only relevant for those with upload rights to the packages handled by git-ubuntu> isn't that the same for basically every GitHub repo, where only one person or a small set of people can commit? But anyone can file a pull request against any repo, and that's the same with git-ubuntu. We've also been adding a repository for nearly any package on request, including packages in universe.
[12:16] <rbasak> schopin: it's only relevant for those with upload rights to the packages handled by git-ubuntu> isn't that the same for basically every GitHub repo, where only one person or a small set of people can commit? But anyone can file a pull request against any repo, and that's the same with git-ubuntu. We've also been adding a repository for nearly any package on request, including packages in universe.
[12:16] <rbasak> schopin: it's only relevant for those with upload rights to the packages handled by git-ubuntu> isn't that the same for basically every GitHub repo, where only one person or a small set of people can commit? But anyone can file a pull request against any repo, and that's the same with git-ubuntu. We've also been adding a repository for nearly any package on request, including packages in universe.
[12:16] <rbasak> schopin: it's only relevant for those with upload rights to the packages handled by git-ubuntu> isn't that the same for basically every GitHub repo, where only one person or a small set of people can commit? But anyone can file a pull request against any repo, and that's the same with git-ubuntu. We've also been adding a repository for nearly any package on request, including packages in universe.
[12:16] <cpaelzer_> rbasak: something makes your msg repeat ?
[12:17] <rbasak> Sorry!
[12:21] <schopin> rbasak: it's actually possible to use the merge proposal process if I want to contribute to a git-ubuntu package? I have been misled, then. Also, note that my comments must be contextualized: I expanded on my MOTU application comment that "There is no clear-cut way to contribute to an existing package", specifically the git-ubuntu remark in there.
[12:28] <rbasak> schopin: you can file an MP against a git-ubuntu repository, and ask any uploader to review and upload it from there.
[12:28] <rbasak> I would like to adjust the sponsoring queue report generator to display these requests, but that's not done yet.
[12:28] <rbasak> However the actual MP part should work fine.
[12:32] <schopin> rbasak: sure, filing the MP is possible, I was more curious about the standard MP/PR/MR lifecycle : Open, Closed, Merged. I was under the impression that the uploader would basically pull the branch locally, upload the package, and close the MP manually.
[12:37] <rbasak> schopin: right, except if using rich history preservation, the MP will get marked as Merged automatically.
[12:40] <schopin> Cool, I wasn't sure about that bit.
[12:41] <rbasak> To be clear, one missing piece right now is that if you file an MP against a git-ubuntu branch and do nothing else, the default reviewer will be a bot that will never review your MP.
[12:41] <rbasak> But the MP mechanism itself does work, if you find a reviewer to review and upload the MP.
[12:43] <schopin> Nice, I think I might give that a try for my next patch in need of sponsor.
[12:44] <schopin> Which gives me a nice segue into...
[12:44] <schopin> Looking for a sponsor for LP: #1953023 :D
[12:46] <rbasak> Sure I'll sponsor that for you.
[12:47] <rbasak> Would you like to try a git-ubuntu MP? If not I'm happy to just upload.
[12:51] <schopin> I'd rather not, my time and brain don't have the capacity for it right now :)
[12:51] <rbasak> Sure
[12:56] <rbasak> (done)
[13:58] <xnox> schopin:  i am working on upgrading to 2.1 but yes fixing FTBFS is needed too
[15:01] <slyon> ddstreet: I'm currently preparing a round of systemd SRUs, is there anything to add from your side? Especially wrt to LP: #1950508 ? (There isn't any patch for Impish yet, tho that is marked as 'in progress' on LP)
[19:13] <genii> Sorry, would just a clarification point on do-rlease-upgrade. I know LTS-LTS is not offered until point release, and assumed it was the same with interim release upgrades, but would like to double-check
[19:17] <bdmurray> genii: Could you elaborate what you mean by interim release upgrades? When 22.04 is released upgrades from 21.10 to it will be enabled.
[19:21] <genii> bdmurray: Interim releases would be all non-LTS. So for instance any non-LTS to either the next incremental non-LTS or for instance non-LTS to LTS is what I'm interested in. Whether upon initial rlease it's available to upgrade to, or becomes available when the first point release happens
[19:22] <bdmurray> Only LTS releases have point releases, regardless for non-LTS releases upgrades are enabled shortly after the next release is available
[19:23] <genii> OK, thanks for the clarification
[19:29] <xnox> genii:  if there are no upgrade blockers, the upgrades are enabled more or less straight away. in some previous releases there was a delay in enabling upgrades due to upgrade-specific bugs.
[19:31] <genii> OK
[19:59] <dbungert> so python debug packages are generally going away, right?  so this sort of thing would be appropriate?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y7xYrj9RHn/
[20:25] <mwhudson> good morning
[20:47] <dbungert> vorlon: from the meeting today you mention ignoring pyqt5 for the time being. However it is relevant to node-jquery.  Can you elaborate on the pyqt5 comment?  I think my linked patch should fix this.
[21:08] <vorlon> dbungert: I meant that it seemed like it might be something else in the dependency chain that would work itself out without Foundations and therefore I wasn't going to assign it out, but if you have a better analysis, let's get it fixed :)
[21:08] <dbungert> will do, thanks!
[21:12] <jawn-smith> dbungert: do you need a sponsor for that patch?
[21:14] <dbungert> jawn-smith: I think we should upstream to Debian.  The question is, is this urgent enough to upload to Ubuntu in the mean time.
[21:14] <vorlon> yes it is
[21:14] <vorlon> ;)
[21:14] <dbungert> I'll request a sponsor then
[21:15] <dbungert> and upstream it
[21:15] <jawn-smith> dbungert: just let me know when everything is fully ready :)
[21:15] <dbungert> jawn-smith: I'll send you a patch with a reasonable changelog after this meeting
[21:15] <jawn-smith> sounds good
[22:48] <mwhudson> Depends: cryptsetup openssl (not considered)
[22:48] <mwhudson> oh good
[23:08] <dbungert> jawn-smith: LP: #1953083, thanks for volunteering
[23:25] <mwhudson> huh how can preinst files use debconf templates?
[23:39] <jawn-smith> dbungert: on it, thanks!


[01:17] <akiva-thinkpad> mhall119: I'm looking through the core apps for a project to contribute to. Do you know of any that need some work?
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[08:40] <mzanetti_> rpadovani, http://bit.ly/1IxUsV2
[09:08] <rpadovani> mzanetti, wow, thanks dude :-)
[09:08] <mzanetti> :)
[11:55] <karni> Is the bottom edge "swipe up" part of the SDK?
[11:55]  * karni looking at https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components/
[11:55] <ogra_> karni, do you mean the circle menu ?
[11:55] <ogra_> (like used in dekko)
[11:55] <karni> ogra_: I mean pull up component, like "compose message" in SMS
[11:56] <karni> not sure what circle menu is
[11:56] <ogra_> you dont use your phone eh ? :P
[11:57] <karni> ogra_: I thought the way it's displayed is configurable, I see it's a half circle shape now
[11:57] <ogra_> (dekko has a bottom swipe menu that brings up a circle of options ... you can import it from the component store )
[11:57] <ogra_> and yes, the handle looks like a half circle when collapsed
[11:57] <karni> thank you
[14:33] <dpm> hey dholbach, when you were working on creating the packaging for dekko, how did you create the copyright file at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+junk/dekko-packaging/view/head:/copyright ? Did you have a script to generate the list of contributors?
[14:33] <dpm> DanChapman, ^
[14:34] <dholbach> dpm, I can't quite remember how I did it
[14:34] <dholbach> maybe grep -i copyright or something?
[14:34] <dholbach> grep -ri
[14:35] <dpm> dholbach, no worries, not important if you can't remember off the top of your head
[14:36] <dholbach> I think I did something along those lines
[14:36] <dholbach> so unfortunately nothing automated
[14:36] <dholbach> I use licensecheck from the devscripts package as well
[14:39] <dpm> ok, thanks that helps
[15:07] <DanChapman> dpm, trunk has just synced with lp now so you can create your recipe whenever your ready. Thanks again!
[16:13] <dpm> DanChapman, cool, thanks! I'll wait until the branch has been merged upstream and then on the next sync I can create the recipe (it just takes one minute to set up)
[16:19] <popey> renato___: bfiller did https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-1347836/+merge/255726 land in vivid? or in some overlay/ppa?
[16:19] <popey> because this calendar merge is failing in jenkins - we think because the above is missing. https://code.launchpad.net/~pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/ReadOnlyCal/+merge/261075
[16:19] <bfiller> popey: checking
[16:19] <popey> thanks
[16:23] <mihir> popey: pig
[16:23] <mihir> ping*
[16:23] <popey> haha
[16:24] <popey> hello
[16:24] <mihir> popey: you forgot to Top approve , https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/1464457/+merge/263185?
[16:24] <popey> oh, did I?
[16:24] <mihir> popey: hahah sorry for that :P
[16:24] <popey> done :)
[16:24] <popey> would have only been better if you'd said "pig" and then your network drop out
[16:24] <mihir> popey: i tried to view log of meeting , couldn't find for last week
[16:25] <popey> this week or last week?
[16:25] <mihir> this week sorry :
[16:25] <popey>                       http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2015/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2015-07-02-13.00.moin.txt
[16:25] <mihir> so for summury , do we have design  ready ?
[16:26] <popey> no, not complete
[16:26] <popey> https://marvelapp.com/122jc5e#6859633
[16:26] <popey> check that out
[16:26] <bfiller> popey: qtorganizer5-eds 0.1.1+15.04.20150508.2-0ubuntu1 on vivid overlay and wily
[16:26] <popey> it's an early interactive prototype
[16:26] <popey> bfiller: I'm guessing jenkins doesn't have the overlay...
[16:27] <bfiller> popey: guessing your jenkins points at vivid..
[16:27] <bfiller> popey: yes
[16:27] <popey> thanks bfiller
[16:27] <popey> yeah
[16:27] <popey> that's a problem
[16:27] <mihir> popey: this is basically for tablet and desktop ?
[16:27] <bfiller> popey: we've had that problem before and fginther fixed it
[16:27] <popey> mihir: yes
[16:27] <popey> bfiller: ok, will ping
[16:27] <popey> ta
[16:27] <mihir> popey: so functionality wise we seems to be pretty good correct , except our bug fixing ?
[16:28] <popey> mihir: we had 4 bugs that were blockers for inclusion in the image, one i was just discussing with bfiller above, and we should be able to fix that)
[16:29] <popey> one is the "only syncs default calendar" issue - bfiller got input on that? it's always going to block us I think.
[16:29] <bfiller> popey: that's not going to be fixed anytime soon, until we move to buteo
[16:30] <bfiller> popey: did you check that document and make sure the other issues in it were resolved? there were a bunch of things
[16:30] <mihir> bfiller:  :( what could be that SOON ?
[16:30] <mihir> heheh
[16:32] <popey> bfiller: scanned it, will check again
[16:32] <mihir> popey: okay , then will go with normal bug list and try to find and fix.
[16:32] <mihir> :)
[16:32] <popey> mihir: thanks dude.
[16:32] <popey> we reviewed them this week, no major new ones
[16:33] <mihir> popey: yw , in a meantime if there is anything urgent , don't hesitate to drop an email if I am not here
[16:33] <mihir> :)
[16:33] <popey> will do!
[16:33] <popey> have a great weekend
[16:34] <popey> bfiller: seen the mail from dan wood about gallery on the list? :S
[16:35] <bfiller> popey: no I haven't
[16:35] <popey> says the click he's getting from the store hasn't fixed the bugs in the changelog, which seems odd
[16:36] <popey> store definitely has <IP_ADDRESS>8
[16:37] <bfiller> popey: responding
[19:10] <nik90> popey: can you PM me theweatherchannel key for weather app. I seem to have misplaced it again :/
[19:14] <nik90> popey: nvrmind,  I just realized the key is present in another place which I can grab
[19:23] <popey> :)
[19:24] <popey> cp `dpkg -L ubuntu-weather-app | grep key` .
[19:24] <popey> i have memorised
[19:40] <nik90> popey: yup that's what I ended up doing


[00:32] <rsully> Any reason `hdparm` shows my drives as only 2TB instead of 3 and 4?
[00:32] <rsully> er. sorry not hdparm, lshw
[08:36] <apeskalle> Hello. I have a problem with my NFS server, that I hope you can help me with. I've added a new raidstripe to the nfs server, tar'ed all the data over to it. Deleted the old symlinks in /export, and linked them to the new stipe. But now when I try to mount the exports on the nfsclients, it times out. When I check tcpdump on the nfsserver, it complains about stale filehandles. I've tried rebooting, deleting rmtab, xtab, sm, s
[08:37] <apeskalle> uninstalling nfs server and client with purge and autoremove. Then ran out of ideas
[09:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:57] <hadifarnoud> on nginx, what should I set for client_body_buffer_size? the guides I found are confusing. Should it be a large number and then set body size also on a large number?
[11:29] <blanoz> What would you consider to be more appropiate for PHP shared hosting between 3 friends (each with its own /home and www folder under /home): apache & mod_php + nginx for static content OR apache mpm event (static files only) + php-fpm, each user with its own fpm pool?
[16:11] <kevinde> Are there any good paid ebooks around to learn more about linux server security?
[16:13] <ivoks> i learned a lot from 'hacking linux'
[16:13] <ivoks> hacking exposed linux
[16:13] <ivoks> http://www.amazon.com/Hacking-Exposed-Linux-3rd-Edition/dp/0072262575
[16:14] <ivoks> it's a bit outdated thou
[16:14] <ivoks> still, a good read
[16:14] <ivoks> i had this one - http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Hacking-Exposed-Brian-Hatch/dp/0072127732/ref=pd_sim_b_5
[16:26] <kevinde> thanks
[16:26] <kevinde> will check that out
[17:55] <apeskalle> Only took most of the day, but I've figured out the NFS problem (posted earlier today)
[17:56] <bekks> And what was the problem? :)
[18:10] <apeskalle> nfs has 32bit inodes, and i used xfs on the new stipe, which has 64bit inodes (old stipe had ext3). So I added fsid to /etc/exports , and that solved the problem
[18:13] <bekks> So actually you are using NFSv4 now, and I guess you actually had this issue, which is not a "nfs inode size" issue: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/sw/inodes64.html - correct?
[18:15] <apeskalle> Yes. nfsv4
[18:29] <apeskalle> Never got so far to try any programs or ls like in the link. I couldnt even mount the filesystem on the clients. nfsv3 and 4 just timed out. Tcpdump and -v showed stale nfs handle errors
[18:50] <bekks> apeskalle: Which sounds like nfs misconfiguration, not like an inode issue.
[21:14] <ilken> do i need network manager on ubuntu server? its using 2% of my ram
[21:14] <ilken> can i remove it?
[21:14] <bekks> If you configure networking without it, yes.
[21:18] <pmatulis> ilken: how did it get installed on your server?
[21:25] <ilken> its an old box, it had KDE on it before, but i needed a stick of RAM so i stole one out
[21:25] <ilken> i removed all the WM's
[21:26] <soahccc> Why does a default crtmpserver installation (via apt-get) does not require any authentication at all? I read a lot and the only thing I could find is a bug (which broke authentication) but it's from 2011 and >300 revisions in the past. Would such a bug be in an official package still without anyone noticing? I know that crtmpserver is very complicated and the documentation / howto's / etc. are rare and often outdated
[21:26] <ilken> its been messed with for over a year i may need to re-install a minimal iso
[21:27] <pmatulis> ilken: that's what i would do, reinstall 14.04 LTS
[21:27] <pmatulis> (server edition)


[01:36] <RAOF> Urgh. Mir now fails its testsuite on ppc64el with a segfault in lttng, but neither Mir nor lttng has changed 😒
[02:20] <soreau> RAOF: what is Mir for?
[02:21] <soreau> I mean what is its intended purpose?
[02:21] <Unit193> Wayland compositor for MATE?
[02:22] <sarnold> I think it's big in kiosk uses
[02:33] <RAOF> soreau: Obviously, it was originally the library for writing display server compositors that Unity8 used.
[02:34] <soreau> RAOF: not so obvious
[02:34] <RAOF> UBports still use it for Lomiri (what they've renamed Unity8 to); we use it for ubuntu-frame, our display-server-compositor for IoTish things.
[02:34] <soreau> so basically a compiz 0.9 replacement?
[02:34] <soreau> in a way
[02:34] <RAOF> soreau: It was originally developed primarily for Ubuntu Phone, with eyes towards desktop convergence.
[02:34] <soreau> since Unity used to run on compiz 0.9 as aplugin
[02:35] <RAOF> Kinda, yeah.
[02:35] <RAOF> Except with the display server folded in, as was the fashion of the time :)
[02:35] <soreau> RAOF: and Ubuntu Phone is a sailed ship, in that it will never see 'the light of day' (in a market sense)?
[02:35] <RAOF> No?
[02:35] <RAOF> We sold a bunch of them!
[02:35] <soreau> but now?
[02:36] <soreau> I mean 'sold' is past tense
[02:36] <RAOF> Yeah, not now. The UBports project has taken over that.
[02:37] <RAOF> Turns out it's hard to break into the phone OS market. Who knew? ;)
[02:37] <soreau> but now we can just run wayfire or anything on Pine64..
[02:37] <RAOF> I mean, yes. But also that's not a product.
[02:38] <Unit193> RAOF: I think Microsoft figured that out. :>
[02:38] <soreau> RAOF: it isn't?
[02:38] <RAOF> (UBports on PinePhone is a kinda a product)
[02:38] <soreau> what defines 'product' in this context?
[02:41] <RAOF> Maybe I mean something like mass-market product? Ubuntu Desktop is a product in that sense - there's a thing plus all the stuff you'd want to do with that thing. applicable to approximately whatever you want to run it on (and there are a bunch of supported platforms).
[02:41] <RAOF> Wayfire on PinePhone is not really that, both in that if you want something other than a PinePhone you're out of luck, and that there's not the same sort of application ecosystem for the generic Linux phone.
[02:42] <RAOF> The latter is changing, somewhat, but AFAICT quite slowly.
[04:12] <soreau> wayfire runs on many more platforms than just pinephone, for the record
[04:14] <soreau> probably could go as far to say that wayfire runs everywhere ubuntu does, if it has glesv2 accelration
[06:14] <RAOF> Oh, sure. But the set of phones that Ubuntu runs on is approximately the PinePhone :)
[06:15] <RAOF> (And probably the librem5?)
[06:15] <RAOF> But that's somewhat off-topic.
[07:43] <RAOF> Harumph.
[07:43] <RAOF> This is weird.
[07:44] <RAOF> There seems to be something broken about umockdev on ppc64el in impish.
[07:44] <RAOF> (As detected by all of MIr's tests which use umockdev dying with stack smashing early in startup)
[07:45] <RAOF> When using 0.15.1-1 from hirsute everything works.
[07:45] <RAOF> But if I rebuild 0.15.1-1 in a hirsute sbuild, the resultant packages exhibit the crash.
[07:46] <RAOF> So something appears to be broken in the toolchain, but I can't tell what.
[07:47] <RAOF> Rebuilding umockdev with gcc-9, or with gcc-11, or with the valac in the archive at the time that the working hirsute packages were built doesn't appear to fix anything.
[08:10] <soreau> RAOF: compare success to fail build logs line by line :)
[08:16] <soreau> maybe it's time to build a new sbuild system :P
[08:20] <soreau> I have an interesting problem myself.. everything works locally but when running wayfire from ppa, somehow, DISPLAY gets set to the value of WAYLAND_DISPLAY but nowhere in the code is this even readily possible
[08:21] <soreau> if I set DISPLAY to 'the correct value', xwayland apps work
[08:30] <soreau> I upload package to launchpad ppa, it says it will start in 6 minutes. Check back 15 minutes later, it says it will start in 33 minutes :P
[08:35] <seb128> RAOF, I just tried to rebuild bolt and it worked without issue on ppc64el which included successful integration tests that use umockdev, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/547442331/buildlog_ubuntu-impish-ppc64el.bolt_0.9.1-1build0.1_BUILDING.txt.gz , so it's not as simple as 'umockdev is buggy' there it seems...
[08:38] <RAOF> seb128: Maybe it's an interaction with lttng (that's what's in the backtrace)?
[19:56] <ricotz> sergiodj, hi, please look for running autopkgtests before requesting a re-try, https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libr/libreoffice/impish/armhf
[19:57] <sergiodj> ricotz: ah, sorry.
[19:59] <ricotz> sergiodj, it wouldn't hurt too much, but those libreoffice runs can take very long
[20:00] <sergiodj> yeah, absolutely.  I was retrying a bunch of stuff and didn't pay much attention to this one
[23:17] <DarkTrick> **Q** @GSettings/DConf management: If I remove the usage of gsettings from my package, will the information within the dconf database in Ubuntu be automatically removed? Or will it stay until an installation script specifically tells it to be removed?
[23:18] <sarnold> "installation script"?


[09:38] <blaze> can I have a 1 gig more for my ppa?
[09:43] <cjwatson> blaze: Generally this is OK, but please ask it as a question on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion so that we know who you are and what your PPA is
[10:24] <blaze> cjwatson: done
[14:04] <ricotz> cjwatson, hi, this still looks stuck https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uftrace/0.9.0-1/+build/15588311
[14:07] <cjwatson> ricotz: cancelled.  Dunno what's up with that package
[14:08] <ricotz> cjwatson, some funny changelog https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uftrace/0.9.0-1
[14:08] <ricotz> -> UNRELEASED
[14:14] <cjwatson> ricotz: wasn't my package
[14:14] <cjwatson> please don't talk to me about it :)
[14:14] <ricotz> cjwatson, haha :)
[19:08] <ahasenack> OOPS-e3ca81011716d5855df925f1824d2ba8
[19:08] <ahasenack> aha
[19:10] <ahasenack> what was the script/api call again to trigger the regeneration of the diff in an mp?
[19:10] <ahasenack> I used that trick once
[20:03] <cjwatson> ahasenack: lp.load('/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/samba/+git/samba/+merge/358520').scheduleDiffUpdates()
[21:52] <teward> i'm not 100% familiar with LP Git yet, how do I make a branch of an exisitng repo to make a merge request with it?
[21:52] <teward> it seems atypical to other git platforms I'm used to, so forgive the question :P
[21:54] <wgrant> teward: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git#Pushing_code
[23:55] <ahasenack> cjwatson: thanks, I wrote it down this time :)


[12:44] <ubotu> In ubotu, Stormx2 said: ubotu, noob is why don't you stfu and rtfm or jfgi, you noob!
[12:44] <ubotu> In ubotu, Stormx2 said: ubotu, noob is Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[12:45] <LjL> !ban > stormx2    (stormx2, see the private message from Ubotu)
[12:46] <ompaul> LjL, subtle like an op :)
[12:46] <LjL> :P
[12:52] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: are you busy atm?
[12:53] <gnomefreak> guy complaining about feisty desktop-effects viewpoints bugs
[01:01] <Oxy-Cotton> LjL is a good op, he saved us by booting out some troll in -offtopic,
[01:02] <Oxy-Cotton> Can the leader promote him or something?
[01:02] <gnomefreak> LjL: fan club?
[01:02] <Oxy-Cotton> yup
[01:03] <mc44> I think LjL should be promoted too. Perhaps to Chief Sky Marshall or something
[01:04] <gnomefreak> Oxy-Cotton: other than being really sarcastic what can we help you with?
[01:04] <Oxy-Cotton> As king james the 1st said "I rather pay for something that does a job well done, than get something for free, for a mediocre job."
[01:05] <Oxy-Cotton> gnomefreak: I am serious.
[01:06] <gnomefreak> Oxy-Cotton: you were spamming -offtopic and now it looks like you are trolling in here because you were banned from -offtopic
[01:06] <Oxy-Cotton> gnomefreak: I know, but LjL participates in channel discussions, more so than other ops.
[01:07] <gnomefreak> Oxy-Cotton: LjL talks in a channel and he bans you and you are here talking about king james for what reason?
[01:09] <beuno> aaaaaaw...
[01:10] <Oxy-Cotton> gnomefreak: I just wanted you people to know he was a good op
[01:10] <Oxy-Cotton> anyway, about king james
[01:10] <Oxy-Cotton> He was executed by parliament on june 30th, 1642
[01:11] <gnomefreak> we know he is, he banned you when you were trolling but what does king james have to do with it and why are you praising him for banning you? maybe you can see where im confused?
[01:11] <Oxy-Cotton> Oliver cromell was the head of parliament at the time
[01:11] <Oxy-Cotton> gnomefreak: I can see you are confused, I am not praising him for banning me.
[01:12] <Oxy-Cotton> I am pointing out that he is a good opr
[01:12] <gnomefreak> when he banned you
[01:12] <Oxy-Cotton> which, is valuable criticism to ubuntu
[01:12] <gnomefreak> if he didnt ban you, you wouldnt be here for this reason
[01:12] <Oxy-Cotton> gnomefreak: Yes, when he banned me, because that is when I saw him talking in the channel
[01:12] <Oxy-Cotton> gnomefreak: Yes I would
[01:12] <beuno> is it me or have there been more of these... "discusions" here then normal?  (think pointless discusions)
[01:14] <ompaul> beuno, ehh they are not discussions but they will resolve some things
[01:14] <Oxy-Cotton> LjL: I just did a word count in MS word, 4,043 'f's so far
[01:14] <LjL> pfff
[01:14] <Oxy-Cotton> gnomefreak: I am not trolling
[01:14] <Oxy-Cotton> I can see why you would think so, but I really am not trolling
[01:15] <beuno> ompaul: right, agreed, just seems like they go on forever
[01:15] <nalioth> Oxy-Cotton: funnily enough, that's what they all say . . .
[01:15] <ompaul> Oxy-Cotton, if you are not trolling, can you tell us what exactly you are doing cos it looks really like a troll to me, and I only have 14 years on IRC
[01:15] <Oxy-Cotton> Before I got banned, LjL was engaged in the conversation,
[01:15] <ompaul> Oxy-Cotton,  </ SUBTLE HINT >
[01:16] <Oxy-Cotton> IRC is not somewhere you can use experience.
[01:16] <ompaul> ehh wrong
[01:16] <Oxy-Cotton> I have 18 years at living.
[01:16] <ompaul> I have over double that
[01:16] <Oxy-Cotton> Does that mean I know all about life?
[01:16] <ompaul> certainly not
[01:17] <LjL> @42
[01:17] <ubotu> Hey, this is terrific! Someone down there is trying to kill us
[01:17] <ompaul> LjL, a bit low for me :)
[01:18] <mc44> @64
[01:19] <LjL> @65536
[01:19] <Oxy-Cotton> LjL: Can you just unban me for one moment, I need to tell the entire channel something.
[01:19] <ompaul> Oxy-Cotton, I don't think so
[01:19] <LjL> let me guess, it involves the letter F?
[01:19] <LjL> no
[01:20] <Oxy-Cotton> oh
[01:20] <Oxy-Cotton> well, let me just save this doc as "fff.doc" on my desktop
[01:20] <Oxy-Cotton> Right next to the firefox icon
[01:21] <LjL> patience is a virtue
[01:21] <nalioth> Oxy-Cotton: share it with us, we'll pass it on, if it's cool stuff
[01:21] <Oxy-Cotton> if you really want me to share it with you....
[01:21] <Oxy-Cotton> lol LjL
[01:21] <beuno> LjL: lot's of virtue in this channel!
[01:21] <Oxy-Cotton> * lots
[01:22] <gnomefreak> iirc i have banned him a couple of times in #ubuntu (hence the reason i asked everything i asked)
[01:22] <Oxy-Cotton> You know all those things I said about kind james the 1st is true?
[01:22] <ompaul> Oxy-Cotton, you want to talk to cotton?
[01:22] <Oxy-Cotton> What?
[01:22] <Oxy-Cotton> ompaul: Who is cotton>
[01:22] <Oxy-Cotton> Sure, I want to talk to him
[01:23] <ompaul> assumption he is a he
[01:23] <Oxy-Cotton> gnomefreak: Are you talking about me?
[01:23] <Oxy-Cotton> I never go into #ubuntu
[01:23] <Oxy-Cotton> and I am not banned there
[01:23] <Oxy-Cotton> ompaul: May I please talk to the person?
[01:23] <ompaul> Oxy-Cotton, not up to me
[01:23] <Oxy-Cotton> ompaul: Who is he?
[01:23] <gnomefreak> it might have been kubuntu but one of the main channels i remember the nick well
[01:24] <Oxy-Cotton> NEver
[01:24] <ompaul>  cotton :No such nick/channel
[01:24] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[01:24] <Oxy-Cotton> ompaul: Who is he>
[01:24] <ompaul> no idea
[01:24] <nalioth> Oxy-Cotton: do you like using freenode?
[01:24] <Oxy-Cotton> Why, yes nalioth
[01:25] <nalioth> i suggest you read http://freenode.net
[01:25] <Oxy-Cotton> What should I read about?
[01:25] <nalioth> read the whole site
[01:25] <ompaul> Oxy-Cotton, let me help you there, that is not a suggestion, it is the best bit of advice your getting today
[01:26] <Oxy-Cotton> ompaul: It is a suggestion actually.
[01:26] <Oxy-Cotton> You can't make me read it, but it is suggested I do.
[01:26] <nalioth> Oxy-Cotton: also, just because you've been banned elsewhere doesn't mean you come here for your interaction
[01:26] <ompaul> silly silly silly - it is advice, there are lines, read between them
[01:26] <nalioth> Oxy-Cotton: do as you will  :)
[01:27] <Oxy-Cotton> nalioth: I will start reading the staff blog first
[01:30] <Oxy-Cotton> we, I love to spam, so it works out
[01:30] <Oxy-Cotton> *well
[04:47] <ubotu> cilaes called the ops in #ubuntuforums
[07:11] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[07:20] <Jordan_U> Can someone ban me for a few hours, I need to get some homework done :)
[07:23] <nalioth> Jordan_U: network ban?
[07:23] <fdoving> get some self-discipline :)
[07:25] <fdoving> a quick google gives you some tips on how to exercise this: http://www.successconsciousness.com/index_000006.htm
[07:33] <nalioth> Jordan_U: or you could run around doing nasty things in channels and have a weeks vacation  :P
[07:34] <Jordan_U> Well, if ce.byu.edu is down for you guys too then I guess I can't even do my homework any more :(
[07:51] <Seveas> @pity Jordan_U
[08:02] <ompaul> @too early?
[08:03] <nalioth> oooh nooo, it's ompaul
[08:04] <elkbuntu> oh noetry
[08:05] <nalioth> hi elkbuntu
[08:05] <nalioth> still in the running for the mostest fastest thread
[08:05] <elkbuntu> maybe not fastest, but seems to be going for longest
[08:05] <elkbuntu> no clue if i've managed that yet
[08:06] <elkbuntu> there's like 60 mails in the thread
[08:06] <nalioth> at least
[08:07] <elkbuntu> my last count was 59, no mails since i counted
[08:39] <Myrtti> I just *hate* awaynicks
[08:39] <nalioth> Myrtti: we know
[08:40] <Myrtti> detest or loathe would be good verbs too
[08:40] <Myrtti> I pity the fools.
[09:03] <Myrtti> so I'm hearing these rumours that Dell's Ubuntu has Automatix in it.
[09:08] <nalioth> Myrtti: let us watch our language, please
[09:13] <beuno> lol
[09:14] <Myrtti> so I suppose Canonical might have a say in that matter ;-)
[09:20] <ompaul> Myrtti, you swore, I am shocked
[09:40] <Myrtti> ompaul: just tying the loose ends
[09:41] <ompaul> :)
[09:55] <ompaul> @btlogin
[09:55] <ompaul> !whoami
[09:59] <ompaul> Madpilot, pm?
[10:00] <Madpilot> ompaul, anytime
[10:01] <ompaul> Madpilot, you get that?
[10:02] <Madpilot> did
[10:33] <ompaul> it is a bit ill
[10:33] <ompaul> and I don't have the access to give it a bit of a hand
[10:33] <GazzaK> poor bot
[10:33] <ompaul> GazzaK, get it some 3 in 1 please :)
[10:34] <GazzaK> instead
[10:35] <Madpilot> kinky
[10:35] <jussi01> ompaul: have a look at the conversation in #ubuntuforums and youll understand...
[10:37] <GazzaK> yeah, sorry
[10:37] <GazzaK> it's not my fault
[11:20] <Myrtti> /alias noaway say please, no public aways! http://bisqwit.iki.fi/jutut/away.html
[11:20] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[11:28] <jussi01> far out i wish someone would kick <casey-drunksleep> in #ubuntuforums
[11:30] <Hobbsee> SEP :D
[11:32] <jussi01> heh Hobbseeas soon as you joined he shut up and went to bed:D
[11:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:33] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: your part message gets cut off
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: oh?
[11:33] <Amaranth> <-- Hobbsee (n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee) has left #ubuntuforums ("Carrier Pidgeon died mid-flight!  http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html  and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Wome)
[11:34] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: ah.  thanks.  fixed.
[11:39] <elkbuntu> hehe... the pidgeon did not die mid-flight... thank gawd
[11:39] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:39] <Hobbsee> yes
[11:39] <Madpilot> no D in pigeon
[11:39] <Hobbsee> ahhh.  thanks
[11:40] <Hobbsee> i can never remember
[11:40] <mc44> no d in Mapilot!
[11:40] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, it's pidgin messing with our spelling
[11:41] <Madpilot> and another case of English pronunciation not meshing with English spelling...
[11:43] <elkbuntu> pidgin is actually an English word
[12:00] <pricechild> How long as ubotu been like this?
[12:00] <pricechild> anyone pinged Seveas lately?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> been like what?
[12:03] <pricechild> !test
[12:04] <GazzaK> it's been broken for a while
[12:04] <gnomefreak> slow or doesnt work at all?
[12:04] <GazzaK> it does
[12:04] <GazzaK> it does that
[12:04] <gnomefreak> we got it working last night
[12:04] <GazzaK> but no ! or @ commands
[12:04] <gnomefreak> !hi
[12:04] <pricechild> ah so its just encyclopedia...
[12:04] <pricechild> @btlogin
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Seveas: ubotu is broken
[12:04] <pricechild> hehe... I'm sure he'll sort it
[12:25] <Amaranth> bug 1
[12:30] <apokryphos> a /msg ubotu something removes the first character
[12:31] <apokryphos> so i.e. /msg ubotu ssomething works :o
[12:31] <mc44> !!test
[12:31] <ubotu> failed
[12:31] <mc44> aha!
[12:31] <Amaranth> whoa
[12:31] <Amaranth> f!test
[12:31] <Amaranth> weird
[12:31] <Amaranth> @@fortune
[12:31] <ubotu> I hear the sound that the machines make, and feel my heart break, just
[12:31] <ubotu> for a moment.
[12:32] <apokryphos> enjambment
[12:32] <apokryphos> how poetic ;)
[12:35] <Amaranth> @@fortune
[12:35] <ubotu> Kids always brighten up a house; mostly by leaving the lights on.
[12:35] <Amaranth> haha
[12:40] <PriceChild> haha good work apokryphos...
[12:43] <Amaranth> @@fortune
[12:43] <ubotu> Anyone who uses the phrase "easy as taking candy from a baby" has never
[12:43] <ubotu> tried taking candy from a baby.
[12:43] <ubotu> 		-- Robin Hood
[01:16] <poningru> testing
[01:17] <poningru> !ops
[01:17] <DBO> done
[01:17] <poningru> uh...
[01:17] <poningru> DBO: thanks ;)
[01:17] <poningru> but is ubotu dead or something?
[01:17] <poningru> !help
[01:17] <Myrtti> no
[01:17] <Myrtti> he's picky
[01:17] <mc44> !!bot > poningru
[01:17] <Myrtti> !!help
[01:17] <mc44> :)
[01:17] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:17] <poningru> ...
[01:18] <Myrtti> poningru: he's dropping the first character off
[01:21] <Myrtti> ooh,
[01:21] <Myrtti> I got a cloak!
[01:22] <poningru> well dont go out night with the cloak on... you might scare people
[01:22] <mc44> eww wikipedia cloak! Bad Myrtti :P
[01:22] <poningru> ;)
[01:22] <Myrtti> mc44: I don't dare to try to get a ubuntu one
[01:22] <mc44> Myrtti: :)
[01:22] <Myrtti> my employer might have a say in that, or our customers
[01:23] <Myrtti> ie. Red Hat and Novell
[01:23] <mc44> Myrtti: who do you work for?
[01:23] <Myrtti> s/customers/business members/
[01:24] <Myrtti> mc44: http://www.coss.fi (in English -link is on the top of the page)
[01:24] <mc44> Myrtti: bah thats not a real job :)
[01:25] <Myrtti> I get paid for it ;-)
[01:25] <Myrtti> and got a cell phone and a phone number and a laptop to do my work with :-P
[01:25] <mc44> @envy Myrtti
[01:26] <Myrtti> I should prolly continue documenting the laptop again...
[01:26] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[01:35] <elkbuntu> ooh, so when we need wikipedia pages done, we run to myrtti?
[01:36] <Myrtti> only if you need some touch up to the Finnish one
[01:37] <elkbuntu> hehe
[01:40] <Myrtti> I politely reject other requests
[01:42] <DBO> got a highlight on away do we Hobbsee?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> DBO: no.  was in -motu, so i did a /whois
[01:44] <Hobbsee> even more annoying seeing as it was in colour
[01:44] <Hobbsee> !away
[01:44] <GazzaK> !!away
[01:44] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines and !nickspam
[01:45] <Myrtti> please, no public aways! http://bisqwit.iki.fi/jutut/away.html
[01:45] <Hobbsee> exactly
[01:49] <SportChick> Seveas: you about?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> people, dont argue with me over me versioning you.  you've done the wrong thing with your away, now turn it off, and dont start having a go at me.
[01:57] <ompaul> SportChick, he won't be back I would guess for at least 5 hours
[01:57] <SportChick> ompaul: no worries
[01:58] <SportChick> Seveas: check your pms when you get back
[01:58] <Hobbsee> sorry...people...the fact that you're brazillian doesnt exempt you from following the rules.
[01:59] <Hobbsee> i can understand that you may have trouble initially understanding them, whcih si where common sense is useful, and/or asking a brazillian friend who speaks more english than you...
[01:59] <Hobbsee> but that's still no excuse for not following the rules, nor aquainting yourself with them.
[01:59] <ompaul> Hobbsee, you are in -ops atm
[02:00] <Hobbsee> i know.
[02:00] <Hobbsee> i'm whinging
[02:00] <ompaul> okay
[02:00] <ompaul> ahh
[02:00] <ompaul> LjL, ubugtwo please
[02:00] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: don't you just love it?
[02:00] <ompaul> LjL, ubotu is suffering from some regex issues
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: very much so.  :P
[02:01] <LjL> second
[02:04] <LjL> what about we get rid of !away and just keep !nickspam? seem redundant
[02:05] <Myrtti> awaynicks are far more popular than nickspam
[02:05] <Hobbsee> -1
[02:05] <Myrtti> that combined with public aways
[02:05] <LjL> yeah but !nickspam is more informative, more general and tells you about /away
[02:05] <LjL> !away
[02:05] <LjL> !nickspam
[02:05] <ubotwo> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines and !nickspam
[02:05] <ubotwo> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages (see !Away for more details): use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently
[02:06] <Myrtti> combine the two and make another an alias?
[02:06] <LjL> i fail to see how they're not redundant
[02:06] <ompaul> LjL, don't go editing ubotu until the regex is tidied up :)
[02:06] <LjL> ompaul: i could guess that much :P
[02:06] <ompaul> and I concur  away should be an alias of nickspam
[02:06] <LjL> Myrtti: sure of course i meant make !away an alias
[02:06] <LjL> we seldom if ever "remove" factoids... we alias them
[02:07] <LjL> but as for combining them, i think !nickspam already includes everything that's in !away
[02:07] <Myrtti> hmm.
[02:08] <LjL> [simulation]  nickspam is <sed> /(see !Away for more details)/(see !Guidelines for more details)/       as the guidelines also link to a detailed article about why away messages are bad
[02:09] <LjL> and away is <alias> nickspam
[02:09] <Myrtti> my logic fails to simulate the result, but no matter
[02:11] <LjL> !test > ljl    (ljl, see the private message from Ubotu)
[02:11] <ubotwo> LjL: Error: That person could not be found in any channel you're in
[02:11] <LjL> !info ubuntu-desktop > ljl
[02:11] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[03:39] <Hobbsee> !ping
[03:39] <ubotwo> pong
[03:40] <Hobbsee> LjL: please add ubotwo to ubuntu-devel/ubuntu-motu
[04:30] <mneptok> !paste > belfegor
[04:36] <mneptok> Hobbsee: more fiber can help with that
[04:36] <Pici> eww
[04:41] <Myrtti> PriceChild: good luck :-)
[05:14] <PriceChild> LjL, could you shove ubotu into #ubuntu-proxy-users please?
[05:27] <Myrtti> should I kick that bot off #ubuntu?
[05:30] <Myrtti> I don't know if I hurt someone's feelings, but I think it wasn't an allowed official or even semiofficial one
[05:31] <mneptok> Myrtti: i would have done the same
[05:31] <mneptok> (which is hardly a glowing recommendation) ;)
[05:32] <mneptok> Myrtti: BTW, i am no longer a black vodka virgin :)
[05:32] <mneptok> Monty Widenius introduced me to it.
[05:32] <Myrtti> hehe
[05:32] <mneptok> now all i need is a negative sauna and my sisu will REALLY be running!
[05:33] <LjL> Myrtti, no mercy with interactive bots on #ubuntu
[05:36] <PriceChild> Hmmm I remember that nick and I think for the same reason...
[05:36] <PriceChild> bah not on there.
[06:20] <elkbuntu> hey mneptok. back from holiday?
[06:49] <Oxy-Cotton> LjL
[06:51] <ompaul> Myrtti, which one?
 SamWise_TheGreat, no swap for me:) just ask the swap nazi on seinfeld. <-- wtf?
[07:36] <mc44> elkbuntu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soup_Nazi
[07:36] <nalioth> elkbuntu: if he's not totally banned . . .
[07:37] <elkbuntu> i am not going to enter discussion with the twat
[07:37] <elkbuntu> pleia2, hehehe
[07:37] <mc44> elkbuntu: hes gone back to the lease which is banned in -offtopic :)
[07:38] <Pici> Now I dont want to start a debate here, but that seinfeld episode kinda brought calling people nazis out of the realm of taboo
[07:39] <Pici> Which is why people think it is acceptable here
[07:39] <elkbuntu> it is not acceptable in an international setting where affected regions and cultures need to feel comfortable
[07:40] <elkbuntu> s/need/deserve/
[07:40] <GazzaK> sorry, I was born and raised in Germany, I think it is wrong to call people Nazis
[07:41] <Pici> Oh, I didnt say that I agreed with it, just pointing out why other people do
[07:41] <GazzaK> it's like calling me a labour as my current county of residence is run by the labour party, i'd be so insulted
[07:42] <Pici> Well, I think its a bit worse than that
[07:42] <elkbuntu> well.. they do have Blair :
[07:42] <mc44> :P
[07:44] <elkbuntu> ;)
[09:25] <ikonia>  ban buttons on standby
[09:25] <ikonia> kenthomson in the channel
[09:25] <GazzaK> ikonia, #ubuntu ?
[09:26] <ikonia> yup
[09:26] <ikonia> I'm only kidding though
[09:26] <ikonia> he's behaving
[09:26] <GazzaK> it's sad when you feel like that when a user joins though
[09:28] <ikonia> it is
[09:29] <ompaul> ikonia, forgive me if I don't contribute to that discussion, check the buttons for input muted mics etc, and physically check switches on the mic
[09:30] <ikonia> yeah, he's done that
[09:30] <ompaul> and funny how it is always this time
[09:30] <ikonia> I'm going to back away in a minute
[09:30] <ikonia> yup
[09:30] <ikonia> almost to the hour
[09:30] <ompaul> cheers
[09:51] <LjL> <IP_ADDRESS> joining with various "Academia" followed by a number nicknames, currently 4 clones on the network
[09:52] <LjL> one clone changing realname (but i banned by IP)
[10:50] <PriceChild> Seveas, You around?
[11:09] <Seveas> PriceChild, just got home (drunk though, so not available for serious things)
[11:10] <PriceChild> Seveas, got a #ubuntu-nl op who can? There's a guy called ward__ repeatedly wanting someone to tell him why he's banned in -nl :P
[11:10] <PriceChild> No-one answered when I tried in their earlier.
[11:22] <Oxy-Cotton> LjL
[11:24] <GazzaK> ward__ has been banned from #ubuntu-nl, anyone know why?
[11:24] <ward__> hi all, is #ubuntu-nl covered here?
[11:24] <PriceChild> GazzaK, I asked for someone earlier... no-one replied.
[11:24] <PriceChild> ward__, Not really.
[11:24] <PriceChild> GazzaK, I'll try again now. (Seveas is out)
[11:25] <Seveas> ward__, repeatedly asking is not going to help...
[11:25] <Seveas> it's only making it worse :)
[11:25] <ward__> this is the first time i come and ask here :s
[11:25] <ward__> they tell me: go ask in #ubuntu-ops
[11:25] <ward__> so i come here
[11:25] <GazzaK> Seveas, and he only asked in here as #freenode suggested it
[11:25] <ward__> and people are pissed at me AGAIN
[11:25] <GazzaK> ward__, calm down
[11:26] <Oxy-Cotton> Can someone unban me in -offtopic plese
[11:26] <ward__> GazzaK, i am calm
[11:26] <ward__> Seveas, they told me to /msg you or come here, so i first tried to come here
[11:26] <Oxy-Cotton> You tried the latter
[11:27] <ward__> latter? sorry i'm not native english i don't understand that word
[11:27] <ward__> Oxy-Cotton,
[11:27] <Oxy-Cotton> A thing you climb on
[11:27] <Oxy-Cotton> Like a rope
[11:27] <ward__> ok i know what u mean now :-) Oxy-Cotton
[11:27] <Seveas> ward__, ah, ik hoorde van mensen hier dat je het steeds vroeg
[11:28] <Seveas> dan heb ik ze zeker verkeerd begrpen :)
[11:28] <ward__> Seveas, wrs bedoelde PriceChild dat ik meermaals vroeg of hij al reactie had gekregen
[11:28] <ward__> op #ubuntu-nl
[11:28] <Seveas> ik zie in m'n logs alleen een ban van 10 december, dus het is een beetje vaag
[11:28] <ward__> :s
[11:29] <Seveas> maar ik ben nu te dronken en te moe om verder te zoeken, dus je zult tot morgen moeten wachten -- bedtijd hier
[11:29] <ward__> toen had ik niet eens ubuntu installed dnek ik :s
[11:29] <ward__> no problem
[11:29] <ward__> slaapwel, Seveas
[11:29] <Seveas> 'truste!
[11:29] <GazzaK> Seveas, nr, vroeg hij in #freenode en zij stuurden hem hier, denk ik hij een paar keer vroeg
[11:30] <GazzaK> did that translate right?
[11:30] <Seveas> GazzaK, not too bad :)
[11:30] <ward__> only one small fault :p
[11:30] <GazzaK> babelfish ftw :-)
[11:30] <PriceChild> lol
[11:30] <PriceChild> cheat!
[11:31] <Seveas> ward__, GazzaK is one big mistake so it's ok
[11:31] <ward__> how come so many people speak dutch on IRC?
[11:31] <Seveas> I'm really off now, g'night all
[11:31] <ward__> byebye, Seveas
[11:31] <mc44> Seveas: get up early to fix ubotu :)
[11:31] <GazzaK> ward__, I don't, I just now babelfish
[11:31] <GazzaK> s/now/know
[11:32] <GazzaK> see I don't even know english
[11:32] <ward__> lol
[11:32] <GazzaK> Seveas, my mother would be so upset to see that
[11:35] <gnomefreak> latter == the later ladder == the thing you climb
[11:36] <gnomefreak> the later could be reworded but you get the idea
[11:37] <nalioth> it is not the banned folks' place to idle in here and confuse things
[11:38] <gnomefreak> no but "they think" since im banned from offtopic i can come here and talk about anything i want :(
[11:39] <gnomefreak> the folks banned from #ubuntu tend to either complian, outright annoy us to unban him/her (lost train of thougth :(
[11:41] <GazzaK> gnomefreak, having a good day then?
[11:41] <gnomefreak> not really
[11:44] <gnomefreak> god help him
[11:44] <gnomefreak> anyone reading this guy?
[11:45] <gnomefreak> lets use --force-$ to install a gutsy package on feisty now it wont let me upgrade to gutsy
[12:00] <gnomefreak> the bot doesnt pm people :(
[12:01] <LjL> yes it does
[12:01] <LjL> you can't use fancy syntax though
[12:01] <LjL> !bot > gnomefreak
[12:01] <gnomefreak> !mp3 > bleh is fancy?
[12:01] <LjL> yeah
[12:01] <LjL> gnomefreak: ubotwo's code is months old. many months.
[12:02] <LjL> we didn't have that syntax until relatively recently
[12:02] <gnomefreak> ah ok ill use it without the comments next time :)
[12:02] <gnomefreak> 18:00 <      gnomefreak > makuseru: lose the caps please   <<< is that a question?


[04:53] <twb> lilstevie: quick question -- is XV supposed to work on the TF101, using the oooold oneiric armel images you built (and the android 2.6.36 kernel)?
[05:01] <lilstevie> probably not :p
[05:05] <twb> Good-o, because it isn't for me
[07:35] <janimo> marvin24, so the 3.1 ubuntu kernel's CONFIG_PROFILING should be off?
[07:35] <janimo> btw do you use for-next with defconfig? that did not boot for me on Friday
[07:35] <janimo> I see you made an update since
[07:51] <marvin24> janimo: it boots
[07:51] <marvin24> did you concatenate the compiled device tree to it?
[07:51] <marvin24> paz00_defconfig should be fine
[07:51] <marvin24> for the 3.1 kernel ...
[07:52] <marvin24> I tried it on my local branch (which is source identical to the package tree)
[07:52] <marvin24> the strange thing is, disabling PROFILING helps with my own tree
[07:52] <marvin24> but after building the package, it still doesn't work (same config of course)
[07:54] <marvin24> also the binaries are different
[07:54] <marvin24> and yes, I double checked that the source and config is identical
[07:55] <marvin24> mmh, thing about it, the package used the hf compiler
[07:58] <janimo> yes I use the hf compiler only lately, 4.6
[07:58] <janimo> marvin24, concatenate DT to it? I never built DT kernel before so I did not know something extra is needed that make zImage does not do
[08:09] <janimo> marvin24, what I see when googling is make zimage, cat boar.dt >>zImage;make uImage
[08:09] <janimo> but that is for uboot
[08:09] <janimo> or wait, the current ac100 bootloader cannot boot DT kernels?
[08:24] <marvin24> janimo: it can, but the device tree needs to be added to the kernel
[08:24] <marvin24> for u-boot, device tree can come from the bootloader
[08:25] <marvin24> you need to do a make zImage dtbs
[08:25] <marvin24> and then cat arch/arm/boot/tegra20-paz00.dtb >> arch/arm/boot/zImage
[08:26] <janimo> marvin24, so you make a generic zimage and cat as many board DT files as you want it to be able to support?
[08:26] <marvin24> no, only one
[08:27] <marvin24> ideally, the bootloader supplied the device tree
[08:27] <marvin24> but ours can't  right now
[08:27] <marvin24> but this will change with uboot
[08:27] <janimo> ah, so the same kernel booting does not mean an exact same blob but a same zImage + custom DTs
[08:27] <marvin24> so you can directly boot the same kernel on different boards
[08:27] <marvin24> yes
[08:27] <janimo> ok, by same kernel initially I though one binary. This works too though
[08:28] <janimo> will try it out once the build finishes
[08:28] <marvin24> I think it must be similar on omap
[08:28] <janimo> marvin24, also isn't nvec a generic driver for all tegra ECs?
[08:28] <janimo> I see only paz00 uses nvec
[08:28] <janimo> do the others use other EC implementations?
[08:28] <marvin24> the ec is not inside the tegra
[08:28] <marvin24> but somewhere else
[08:28] <marvin24> so it is board specific
[08:29] <janimo> so only the communication protocol is common?
[08:29] <marvin24> there are other "first gen" board using nvec
[08:29] <janimo> I just grepped the dt files for nvec
[08:29] <marvin24> we (and trimslice) are the only non nvidia board supported by mainline kernel
[08:30] <marvin24> so there is no wonder why we are the only user ;-)
[08:30] <janimo> so other ECs do not necessarily use the same SMBus protocol as described in the nvdia docs
[08:30] <marvin24> yes
[08:31] <janimo> I thought  tegra somehow implied nvec
[08:31] <marvin24> toshiba folio uses it for power supply readings
[08:31] <marvin24> same for advent vega
[08:32] <marvin24> but unfornately, they have their own implementations
[08:33] <marvin24> janimo: if you feel lucky today, you can also try https://gitorious.org/uboot-ac100 with this kernel ;-)
[08:35] <janimo> marvin24, nice. Do I just build it and flash it to the bootloader partition as an android bootimage?
[08:35] <janimo> cloning it now
[08:36] <marvin24> I use tegrarcm to load it to memory
[08:36] <marvin24> I think that's the best way for now, because flashing it to emmc is a bit more complicated
[08:37] <marvin24> http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/?p=tools/tegrarcm.git;a=summary
[08:37] <marvin24> but you need the bct first ...
[08:39] <marvin24> (the first 4080 byte of the bct partition #2 I think)
[09:05] <janimo> marvin24, mainline boots showing two penguins qwith blue beaks and feet, then cannot find root, but impressive still :)
[09:05] <marvin24> janimo: needs to boot from sd card
[09:05] <ogra_> whats impressive ? the penguins ? :P
[09:05] <janimo> the fact it boots :)
[09:05] <marvin24> ogra_: maybe the blue feets
[09:06] <janimo> marvin24, why sdcard? no mmc suport implemented?
[09:06] <marvin24> janimo: there is some bug in the drm driver which causes color switch
[09:06] <marvin24> janimo: no nvidia partition support
[09:06] <ogra_> marvin24, well, penguins live on ice :)
[09:06] <marvin24> I could add it though
[09:06] <ogra_> you mean we could use mainline with just one patch added ?
[09:07] <ogra_> or is there more that doesnt work
[09:07] <janimo> that's what I was hoping but marvin24 said no way yet :)
[09:07] <ogra_> what else is missing ? nvec ?
[09:07] <marvin24> ogra_: we need the drm support (one patch) and optional partition support
[09:08] <marvin24> everything else is there
[09:08] <ogra_> hmm, so three then
[09:08] <janimo> power management?
[09:08] <marvin24> not yet
[09:08] <ogra_> aha
[09:08] <ogra_> k, that somewhat rules it out for now then
[09:08] <marvin24> ogra_: but it is boot
[09:08] <marvin24> *booting
[09:08] <ogra_> (as  a default)
[09:26] <marvin24> ogra_: don't you have a nvec-leds entry in sysfs?
[09:26] <ogra_> i didnt look :P
[12:15] <ogra_> http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/the-bamboo-feeder-automating-continuous-arm-image-tests/
[12:32] <janimo> ogra_, too much hardware in the blogpost for my taste but still good :)
[12:35] <ogra_> i should have scattered more cute panda pics all over the place i guess :)
[13:33] <lilstevie> ogra_, that is damn cool
[13:33] <ogra_> :)
[13:34] <rsalveti> ogra_: you need to enable facebook/g+ sharing at your wordpress blog, can't share directly from your post :-)
[13:34] <rsalveti> but it's shared at g+ now :-)
[13:34] <ogra_> heh, thx
[13:35] <ogra_> i dont have a fecaebook account and dont plan to get one
[13:36] <ogra_> (do i ned one to enable the sharing) ?
[13:37] <ogra_> G+ enabled now
[13:37] <rsalveti> ogra_: nops
[13:38] <rsalveti> ogra_: you just enable the sharing plugin at wordpress for it
[13:38] <ogra_> ok
[13:39] <ogra_> added too now
[15:04] <FunkyPenguin> anyone know if u-boot in precise supports extload?
[15:05] <ogra_> should, yep
[15:05] <ogra_> i think all ubuntu versions since lucid do ...
[15:07] <FunkyPenguin> thanks, i'll give it a go and see
[15:10] <FunkyPenguin> i tried Linaro's 12.05 image on the snowball's emmc but that didnt seem to want to see the sdcard and boot from that
[15:10] <ogra_> oh, snowball
[15:10] <FunkyPenguin> just building the latest 12.07 release and will try that
[15:10] <ogra_> note that ubuntu doesnt have any support for snowball beyond what linaro puts in the archive
[15:11] <ogra_> so if linaros u-boot doesnt have extload for the snowball enabled, you wont have it
[15:11] <ogra_> i can only speak for all u-boots for the supported ubuntu arches
[15:19] <FunkyPenguin> which is omap?
[15:20] <ogra_> omap, omap4, highbank and armadaxp currently
[15:20] <ogra_> and tegra2 ac100 netbooks but there is no u-boot
[15:21] <ogra_> (android based netbook which uses a fastboot based loader)
[15:22] <ogra_> we used to have mx5 images too until precise
[15:28] <janimo> ogra in the initial ac100 tarball, where are the hooks that create the new initramfs for the installer reboot?
[15:28] <ogra_> you mean ac100-tarball-installer ?
[15:29] <ogra_> there are no specific initrd hooks, it just runs a chrooted flash-kernel and puts a default initrd in place
[15:30] <ogra_> (it sets MODULES=dep and diverts plymouth and cryptsetup hooks though)
[15:30] <ogra_> (before doing that)
[19:31] <zma> I've got a silly question. I'm trying to build kernel I fetched from git://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel.git , build_kernel script fails in the beginning to complain there is no directory "KERNEL". Am I missing something?
[19:36] <zma> ahh, sorry that, I think it's for mainline kernel source