[07:14] <llogiq> Hi folks.
[07:17] <ianorlin> hi
[07:18] <llogiq> Recently (with the later 3.16 kernels that were pushed around last xmas) my wireless (broadcom bcmwl43, with proprietary drivers) works only spotty, with a lot of reconnects. I also get a lot of roaming/SBE-related warnings on dmesg. Has anybody else experienced this problem and/or knows a solution? Are the open-source drivers broadcom donated in tree already?
[07:19] <ianorlin> it depends which chip you have
[07:19] <ianorlin> does booting with old kernel fix the problem?
[07:19] <llogiq> It appears so. But then I loose the DRM improvements that came with 3.16. :-(
[07:19] <llogiq> s/loose/lose/
[07:21] <ianorlin> also what does lspci show which one it is as you may be able to use b43 drivers but with propritary firmware
[07:23] <llogiq> gimme a sec
[07:23] <llogiq> BCM43142 (rev 01)
[07:25] <llogiq> On the b43 page (wireless.kernel.org) it says it's unsupported.
[07:28] <ianorlin> I am not sure what can really be done
[07:30] <vlt> Hello. My music player (audacious) stops playing right after the current title when my screen gets locked after inactivity timeout. How to prevent this?
[07:33] <ianorlin> vlt in 14.10 and later there is presentation mode on power manager
[14:19] <colonolGron> hello there
[14:19] <colonolGron> i would like to install lubuntu, but without all the default apps.
[14:20] <holstein> !mini
[14:20] <holstein> colonolGron: you likely dont want any-buntu at all, and dont have to have it
[14:20] <colonolGron> is there a way to install just a minimal system and then install something like "lxde-meta" wich will take care of getting xserver + lxde stuff without apps?
[14:20] <holstein> colonolGron: but, lxde has some "default" applications that it pulls in
[14:20] <colonolGron> hmm
[14:21] <colonolGron> i mean like: no office suite, no media player and so on
[14:21] <holstein> colonolGron: i would just install from the mini, and explore the *-core meta packages.. or just add openbox, and the minimal things
[14:21] <colonolGron> okay
[14:21] <colonolGron> one more thing
[14:21] <holstein> colonolGron: sure, from there, you can add *just* what you want.. just read the list of what is to be added. i suggest lxde
[14:21] <colonolGron> its first time install on uefi laptop, is there anything special i should be aware of?
[14:21] <holstein> that will get you ubuntu + lxde.. which is similar to lubuntu
[14:22] <holstein> colonolGron: sure.. if the creator of the hardware doesnt allow you a way to install other operating systems, you will have a bad time
[14:22] <colonolGron> ah no, its a tuxedo book. it came with preinstalled xubuntu
[14:22] <holstein> colonolGron: nothing about linux/ubuntu/lubuntu will prevent you from installing in on that hardware, thats for sure. but, if the creator of the hardware prevents it, you may need to "void the warranty", or who knows
[14:22] <holstein> !uefi
[14:23] <holstein> colonolGron: i would just sudo apt-get install lxde on that installation then
[14:23] <holstein> colonolGron: xubuntu and lubuntu *are* ubuntu. and its not the same as windows, where, applications installed are using up resources in the back ground
[14:23] <colonolGron> regarding uefi: i was not sure about bootloader, do i have to do anything different than usual?
[14:23] <holstein> colonolGron: you'll have to look at the bootloader of your specific hardware..
[14:24] <colonolGron> holstein: i am aware that xubuntu and lubuntu are ubuntu
[14:24] <colonolGron> but i dont want to remove all preinstalled stuff
[14:24] <colonolGron> just do a clean install myself
[14:24] <holstein> colonolGron: great!, i was just making sure, since, you are going through a lot of work to basicaly remove ubuntu, and install ubuntu
[14:24] <colonolGron> regarding uefi: i suppose grub2 is used as default, will it just boot on uefi as usual? no special stuff i need to do?
[14:25] <holstein> colonolGron: friend, that will depend on that specific hardware.. nothing about lubuntu or ubuntu or *any* linux will require anything special.. but that hardware can
[14:26] <colonolGron> i dont get it. i thought on bios its all the same and on uefi its different
[14:26] <colonolGron> different setup of the bootloader i thought
[14:26] <holstein> colonolGron: sure, and usually is, but, its not a lubuntu bios, or lubuntu machine. it'll be up to you and the manufacturer of the hardware to faciliate the installation of whatever os you want
[14:27] <holstein> colonolGron: typically, you can bypass "locks" like that on the bios.. and, i would assume, since its a linux shop, it would be easy. but, thats an assumption, and you'll just have to look at the specific hardware and see what the manufacturers have done
[14:28] <holstein> likely, just boot and install.. though, the "easiest" would be, just install lxde into that installation
[14:28] <colonolGron> i am going to try ;)
[14:28] <colonolGron> thanks
[17:53] <colonolGron> hi guys
[17:53] <colonolGron> just installed xubuntu on a test vm and added the lubuntu PPA
[17:54] <colonolGron> then installed a new icon theme (moka theme via .deb file) lxapperance shows the theme but lxqt-config does not
[17:55] <holstein> colonolGron: there is no "lubuntu ppa"
[17:55] <holstein> colonolGron: the lubuntu packages are in the same default ubuntu repositories.. xubuntu and lubuntu *are* ubuntu
[17:57] <colonolGron> holstein: and what is this: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/lubuntu-daily?
[17:57] <holstein> colonolGron: as stated, the "development" or "daily" ppa.. testing
[17:57] <holstein> colonolGron: you can expect issues running testing versions..
[17:58] <colonolGron> well, i am developing on lxqt, and wanted to test it on ubuntu
[17:58] <colonolGron> thats my goal
[17:58] <holstein> colonolGron: cool
[17:58] <holstein> colonolGron: you may need to accept compromises as such, then.. and run ppas
[17:58] <colonolGron> on gentoo i was just cloning the git repo, and didnt install any lxqt package but built all by myself. is this the best approach on ubuntu too? if i want to have the latest and also want to try my own changes
[17:59] <holstein> colonolGron: depends on what versions you want, and how they are made available
[17:59] <holstein> colonolGron: stock lubuntu is what it is.. all the ubuntu's are like that.. you are welcome to add what you like, but, its not lubuntu anymore
[17:59] <holstein> colonolGron: i suggest the ppa's, since thats an easy way of adding what you need
[18:00] <holstein> though, at that point, i might run 15.04, if that main ubuntu developement version was more relevant to what im doing
[18:00] <colonolGron> holstein: i think i did a apt-cache search lxqt, and didnt find anything and then added that ppa, and then install lxqt-metapackage, just to get an overview
[18:01] <colonolGron> are you sure lxqt is in main ubuntu repos?
[18:02] <ianorlin> it isn't but there is the ppa for 15.04
[18:02] <colonolGron> so i was right
[18:04] <colonolGron> just to get an overview, who in here is a lubuntu dev?
[18:04] <holstein> colonolGron: i see nothing that makes me say you are wrong, other than, it seems you are far from needing to run desktop lubuntu, and that may be a challenge to get official support for what you are trying to accomplish
[18:04] <holstein> ubuntu nor lubuntu has a "heres a stable slice of whats coming down the pike" distro with all upcoming development packages
[18:05] <colonolGron> holstein: my main reason for coming here was to tell you guys about the icon issue, and i wanted to know (in case somebody in here runs lxqt) if they have the same issue
[18:05] <holstein> sometime getting these can be more of a challenge, and i suggest running a stable base, and doing as much as you can in VM or chroot
[18:05] <holstein> colonolGron: sure. and the icon issue is with the developement PPA..
[18:05] <holstein> AFAIK, you can still file bugs about it.. but, i would just let the ppa maintainer know.. though, it *will* be having problems for a while
[18:06] <colonolGron> holstein: i am aware that it is the development PPA... but if nobody tells the devs about the errors people find how will it get more stable?..
[18:07] <holstein> colonolGron: sure.. i suggest telling them
[18:08] <ianorlin> colonolGron: that is true but be sure to back stuff up
[18:08] <holstein> colonolGron: but, the answer may be "its in development, use at own risk"..
[18:08] <holstein> or, "we are not actively expecting any level of stability".. or "we are importing problems that are being addressed upstream"... you just dont know, and dont have an offical path for support for that
[18:10] <colonolGron> holstein: i dont use it for production.. i use it to find bugs..
[18:10] <colonolGron> so stuff can get improved
[18:10] <colonolGron> okay?
[18:10] <holstein> colonolGron: sure.. and thats great.. im only addresssing that, this is the lubuntu desktop channel. there may be no community here for that
[18:11] <holstein> colonolGron: its totally fine, and *much* appreciated.. just not supported
[18:11] <colonolGron> okay
[18:11] <colonolGron> i didnt know where to file that bug
[18:11] <colonolGron> so i went to lubuntu, since a lubuntu ppa
[18:11] <holstein> colonolGron: and, im not sure that you are welcome to do that
[18:11] <holstein> !bug
[18:11] <colonolGron> and from here on i wanted to go further :)
[18:11] <holstein> colonolGron: at this point, i go upstream.. but, they may not have a system in place.. i have not checked, personally
[18:12] <colonolGron> i see
[18:12] <holstein> colonolGron: first thing i would do is try and casualy contact the maintainer of the ppa you are using
[18:12] <colonolGron> holstein: are you an lubuntu dev?
[18:12] <holstein> colonolGron: from there, they may lead you upstream, or have a system in place.. or not respond.. etc
[18:12] <holstein> and you can decide what to do..
[18:13] <ianorlin> if it is lubuntu specific in Qt the place is in the lubuntu next bugtracker or if it is upstream it in the lxqt issue tracker on github
[18:13] <holstein> colonolGron: i am just a supporter in this capacity.. volunteer support in irc channel.. little/none code development from me
[21:07] <Ahmuck> hi.  did the latest update remove the icon from the taskbar/systemtray (network)
[21:32] <holstein> Ahmuck: did it?
[21:33] <holstein> Ahmuck: it didnt here.. im assuming since you are asking, that yours is removed?
[21:33] <Ahmuck> yes, i had the nic icon in the systray and after a update today (i did not check the contents today) it hasn't come back
[21:34] <holstein> you can try the usual.. running nm-applet from the command line.. etc
[21:34] <Ahmuck> i manually placed one there but the one that is there now does not fit the art and style that was before
[21:35] <Ahmuck> found the problem
[21:35] <Ahmuck> thx
[22:29] <Homie> hi
[22:29] <wxl> i'm inclined to say "word," homie.
[22:30] <Homie> so? And why's that?
[22:30] <wxl> consider it a greeting. what's your cup of tea today?
[22:31] <Homie> Thnx for the greeting.... Well I think Puppy screwed my windoze... How was your day?
[22:31] <wxl> wonderful. are you seeking help from lubuntu to solve this issue?
[22:32] <Homie> Yup, just asked a question over there.
[22:32] <wxl> you did? all i saw was "hi"
[22:32] <wxl> perhaps you mean on #ubuntu?
[22:32] <Homie> oh....XD I thought You meant the forum on ubuntu
[22:32] <Homie> yeah exactlly
[22:33] <wxl> so how can us *L*ubuntu folks help you out?
[22:34] <Homie> first of it's Lubuntu that screwed windeezie and not Puppy (it just fitted the sentence better over there). Second I'm interested to know if there is still hope for it (windoze that is).
[22:35] <wxl> well you'd have to explain further.
[22:37] <Homie> The thing is this...I'm new to linux with the best intention of getting as far away as possible from windows. So I thought I 'd try a linux version and after doing some research on the net
[22:38] <Homie> I decided to install Puppy on a USB flash drive to try it out...I couldn't manage to do it so I thought I might try another version, so Lubuntu came around
[22:38] <Homie> I had better luck with it since I installed it somehow into the USB but now I can't boot into Windows anymore. I did some research on the web and figured that the grub might have been messed up
[22:39] <Homie> but I couldn't find a way to resolve this issue.
[22:39] <Homie> forgive me I'm typing slow because I'm in Lubuntu right now and the touchpad makes the mousepointer jump around sometimes
[22:44] <ianorlin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard can be of help if you are bad with some touchpads I personally prefer a usb mouse
[22:45] <ianorlin> one useful one for example is alt tab to switch windows
[22:46] <Homie> thnx for the link ianorlin
[22:49] <wxl> ok
[22:49] <wxl> sorry about that
[22:49] <wxl> you need to turn tap to click off
[22:49] <wxl> that will make life easier
[22:49] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse#Disable_tap_to_click
[22:49] <wxl> Homie: ^
[22:50] <wxl> so next we need to figure out if your installation is still around
[22:50] <wxl> we'll install a utility to help us out
[22:50] <wxl> sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit
[22:50] <wxl> in terminal
[22:50] <wxl> and then do:
[22:50] <wxl> sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[22:50] <wxl> it will spit out a url; paste it here
[22:51] <Homie> o
[22:53] <Homie> this is the link wxl:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/9684749/
[22:54] <wxl> whoa
[22:54] <wxl> something is funky there
[22:54] <Homie> what else besides windows? XD
[22:54] <wxl> well it's weird that you have two drives
[22:55] <wxl> both of them with windows components on them
[22:55] <wxl> and one of them with linux as a partition
[22:55] <wxl> oh maybe sdb is a thumb drive
[22:55] <wxl> ok not totally weird
[22:55] <wxl> still holy partitions :)
[22:56] <Homie> yeah, sdb with 7.2 gigs is a thumb drive, there's Lubuntu in it
[22:56] <Homie> lol. I like my partitions
[22:57] <wxl> have you got to the grub menu before?
[22:57] <wxl> looks kind of like http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1353953772.png
[22:58] <Homie> yes, with a ubuntu CD but with Lubuntu no
[22:58] <Homie> I've seen that pic from the link tho
[22:58] <wxl> so try booting your sda and while it boots hold down the SHIFT key
[22:59] <Homie> ok
[22:59] <Homie> nothing else?
[22:59] <wxl> nope
[22:59] <wxl> that menu should pop up
[22:59] <wxl> make sure you pull out sdb :)
[23:04] <Homie> ...
[23:04] <wxl> no dice?
[23:04] <wxl> didn't get to the menu?
[23:04] <Homie> ok you still around wxl?
[23:04] <wxl> yep Homie
[23:05] <Unit193> sudo grub-editenv /boot/grub/grubenv set recordfail
[23:05] <Homie> well there poped up a long string of characters starting with sylinux something and at the end of there was a this:   ...boot:
[23:06] <wxl> hm
[23:06] <wxl> that's unique
[23:06] <Unit193> Type  live  or double tap on tab.
[23:06] <Homie> invalid parameter recordfail unit193
[23:07] <Homie> again for noobs unit193?
[23:08] <Homie> it was asking for something wxl, you know, just like the console in C++ for example where you have to type something...you know?
[23:10] <wxl> harumph
[23:10] <wxl> can you get into lubuntu just by booting from default?
[23:11] <Homie> yup. I can get ONLY into lubuntu, if the USB is attached to the laptop it boots straight into lubuntu, if I remove it nothing happens, just the blinking underscore
[23:11] <wxl> so try getting in there and run `sudo update-grub`
[23:11] <wxl> maybe your config files are damaged somehow
[23:11] <Unit193> Did you install grub onto your flash?
[23:12] <Homie> I'm typing from Lubuntu now and did that before I came here but nope, it didn't help much
[23:12] <wxl> hm
[23:12] <wxl> weird
[23:12] <wxl> that "boot:" prompt isn't the grub rescue prompt
[23:13] <Homie> Unit193 I don't know, I just used Universall USB installer to "burn" lubuntu to the usb, I don't know if the installer put grub  into the usb or not
[23:13] <wxl> shift should get you to the menu at which point you should be able to select your preferred os
[23:13] <Homie> nope, wxl, it pretty much looked like it was coming from the BIOS
[23:13] <Unit193> wxl: Looks like syslinux perhaps, hitting tab twice should give him his options.
[23:13] <wxl> Homie: there's a thought then ^
[23:14] <Homie> yup, suslinux was the starting line of that long sentence
[23:16] <Homie> ok, should I reboot again and hit tab now?
[23:17] <wxl> yeah when you get to that boot prompt
[23:17] <wxl> see what happens
[23:17] <wxl> that's weird tho
[23:17] <wxl> it's not normal to have syslinux, right, Unit193 ?
[23:18] <Unit193> Well, you can, but not default.  It's default for the live ISOs though...
[23:18] <wxl> which makes sense but how do you coerce the installer to do it?
[23:21] <Homie> anyone around?
[23:23]  * ianorlin still is but freenode had some people quit because of netsplit and wxl came back
[23:24] <Homie> wxl?
[23:24] <wxl> yoyoyo
[23:25] <Homie> what's good homie?
[23:31] <wxl> just maxxing and relaxxing in the crib
[23:35] <Homie> 'ello
[23:35] <wxl> what's the word?
[23:35] <Unit193> wxl: Bird.
[23:36] <wxl> Unit193: buh-buh-buh.
[23:37] <wxl> if you don't behave i'm going to have to kick you to -offtopic Unit193
[23:38] <Homie> hey, homies, instead of braking each others bawllz could you please focus on helping me? Please?
[23:38] <wxl> how did the whole boot: tab thing work out Homie ?
[23:39] <Homie> well not that good, I doubled tabbed and the b*tch said no bootable device detected, please insert a bootable disk. (When I removed the usb from my Laptop, when I didn't the same as before, it just boots into lubuntu)
[23:41] <Homie> can You guys make anything out of this? A guy on ubuntu forum suggested some software which spitted out this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/9684901/
[23:42] <wxl> and doing that didn't fix it?
[23:42] <wxl> seriously i have no idea why syslinux is there
[23:44] <Homie> could it because I tried to install Puppy from an .exe file first, which didn' work like I already explained earlier?
[23:44] <Homie> *be
[23:45] <Homie> is it possible that puppy somehow facked up the grub?
[23:45] <Homie> and not Lubuntu?
[23:45] <wxl> could be
[23:45] <wxl> i stay *FAR* away from puppy
[23:47] <anarkhos> why?
[23:47] <wxl> well that's a topic for -offtopic i guess, but not a fan


[01:58] <shiggitay> herro
[02:00] <shiggitay> rsalveti, r u here
[04:58] <josePHPagoda> hello everyone!  I'm wondering if there is a way to configure ubuntu to send mouse click events rather than touch screen events?
[05:08] <RAOF> josePHPagoda: It does (on the desktop). On the phone, no.
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> RAOF: is there a trick to get it working on older games for desktop?
[05:11] <RAOF> On the desktop it should just work; on the phone, urgh.
[05:11] <RAOF> Pointer emulation is hard.
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> RAOF: it doesnt recognize touch in his older games
[05:12] <RAOF> On the desktop? Odd.
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> he's on 14.04 desktop yes
[05:12] <RAOF> Note: by “on the desktop” I mean, ‘In X’.
[05:12] <RAOF> Hm.
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> yes, he has lenovo touch laptop
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> josePHPagoda: you still here mate?
[05:15] <RAOF> Pointer emulation is working here on my hilariously unconfigured touchscreen.
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:15] <RAOF> (Hilariously unconfigured because the input is mapped to the whole of my multi-monitor desktop, not just the actual touch display)
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> nice
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> what a world would be without ubuntu :p
[05:17] <RAOF> In our defence, Windows 8 maps it to the _wrong_ monitor, which is equally hilarious.
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> josePHPagoda: waky waky, tell RAOF your issue
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> win8 is such a joke, in every way
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> i helped more then 30 people with installing ubuntu on eufi machines already
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> uefi
[05:53] <josePHPagoda> hi raof
[05:53] <josePHPagoda> sry, was on the phone
[05:53] <josePHPagoda> ubuntu won't run on my machine with uefi :(
[05:53] <josePHPagoda> i have to use the good old bios
[05:53] <josePHPagoda> lotuspsychje: it's a touch desktop
[05:53] <josePHPagoda> but yeah, sdl will recognize that the mouse moved
[05:54] <josePHPagoda> but it doesn't get a mouse click event
[05:54] <josePHPagoda> which is fine, that's how it should work
[05:54] <josePHPagoda> but I was hoping there was a way to configure it so that mouse click events are sent instead
[05:54] <josePHPagoda> RAOF: ^
[05:54] <RAOF> Ah.
[05:55] <RAOF> Yeah, the touchscreen driver doesn't do tap-to-click.
[05:56] <josePHPagoda> i realize that :)
[05:56] <josePHPagoda> so no way to change it?
[05:56] <RAOF> It doesn't have code to do tap-to-click.
[05:57] <RAOF> There's obviously a way to change that - copy the tap-to-click state machine from xf86-input-synaptics - but there's no configuration option you can cheaply twiddle.
[06:44] <Psykus> tried installing ubuntu touch devel channel to nexus 7 2013, ran the ubuntu-device-flash tool and it downloaded/installed a few things then my device rebooted to the google logo and is just sitting there. any ideas?
[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <mihir> dholbach: morning :)
[08:12] <dholbach> hey mihir
[08:12] <mihir> hey what's up ?
[08:14] <dholbach> life's good - just had a nice weekend - how about you?
[08:34] <shiggitay> hmm I guess Mr rsalveti isn't around :(
[08:36] <Psykus> so ubuntu touch doesn't work with bluetooth keyboards?
[08:45] <popey> Psykus: it should, but currently it's limited to only audio device pairing.  I believe that will be changed soon enough
[08:46] <Psykus> ahh okay. thanks. also looks like they never released a ubuntu desktop build for the 2013 nexus 7, was curious to check that out
[08:47] <popey> Psykus: yeah, we never did
[08:48] <Psykus> hope to see some sort of desktop option eventually, I kind of like how you can hop between the two in windows 8
[09:11] <shiggitay> Help me spread this around: http://www.gofundme.com/shiggity_EL2015
[09:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Day With(out) Art Day! :-D
[09:26] <shiggitay> heh
[09:26] <shiggitay> Happy December too
[09:37] <popey> dbarth_: I'm getting apparmor denials in twtter webapp...
[09:37] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9327984/
[09:37] <popey> dbarth_: ^
[09:38] <dbarth_> popey: hi
[09:38] <dbarth_> popey: the app still works?
[09:38] <popey> yes
[09:39] <dbarth_> popey: the cpu one is harmless, the qml cache is new
[09:40] <dbarth_> popey: thanks i'll report the bug to jamie
[09:40] <popey> kk
[09:43] <dbarth_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/+bug/1397912
[13:19] <rsalveti> shiggitay: hey, what's up?
[13:20] <shiggitay> hey any progress on UT for the N5? I have a devel build installed via MultiROM but it's not really ready for primetime yet
[13:20] <shiggitay> rsalveti,
[13:21] <shiggitay> I have no problems with backing up my Android install (on Lollipop now) and reinstalling with UT as the only OS to help test :)
[13:23] <shiggitay> not now though as I need to get to bed. I work at 3pm US Eastern
[13:23] <rsalveti> shiggitay: will check later this week, last time I tried it on my n5 was a few weeks ago
[13:23] <rsalveti> mostly focused on finishing rtm lately
[13:23] <shiggitay> rtm for what?
[13:23] <shiggitay> N7/10?
[13:24] <bzoltan_> mvo: So it seems that your MR should target the https://code.launchpad.net/~oxide-developers/oxide/packaging.vivid
[13:24] <bzoltan_> mvo:  and not the  lp:oxide
[13:25] <shiggitay> rsalveti,
[13:29] <rsalveti> shiggitay: rtm in general, for the devices we support, but as that is mostly done we're starting to get vivid into shape again
[13:30] <rsalveti> so will give that another try with n5 this week
[13:30] <shiggitay> okay cool
[13:30] <shiggitay> thanks.
[13:30]  * shiggitay goes to bed
[13:30] <rsalveti> have a good night!
[13:31] <shiggitay> heh really a nap but thanks :)
[13:31]  * shiggitay disappears
[13:32] <rickspencer3> does anyone know if the contacts.db has changed location?
[13:33] <rickspencer3> I noticed that the last few contacts that I saved are in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>instead of /home/phablet/.local/share/evolution/addressbook/system
[13:42] <weeman1337> Hello there, I've a scope dev question! Anyone there who can help?
[13:52] <rickspencer3> weeman1337, you might try #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:53] <weeman1337> rickspencer3, I'll try, thanks!
[14:23] <bzoltan> chrisccoulson: ping
[14:29] <cwayne> janimo: so i finally got my phone to power on again, still cant get cm i built booted though :/
[15:02] <jgdx> Is there something wrong with #45? (I've been away for a week, so I'm not quite up to speed).
[15:03] <jgdx> I'm getting frequent crashes from mediahub, lightdm and the compositor.
[15:04] <kenvandine> mardy, trust session question
[15:04] <kenvandine> mardy, how do you get the windowId from the requesting app?  is upstart involved at all?
[15:05] <mardy> kenvandine: the windowId is the PID
[15:05] <kenvandine> oh
[15:05] <kenvandine> ok
[15:05] <kenvandine> cool
[15:06] <mardy> kenvandine: there are two ways: either the client library calls getpid() and passes that info, or the service-side can ask DBus for it
[15:06] <kenvandine> got it
[15:06] <kenvandine> thanks
[15:06] <kenvandine> so i would actually create the session after the destination app starts right?
[15:07] <kenvandine> for content-hub
[15:07] <kenvandine> so essentially after it starts, i would grab the pid and create the session?
[15:07] <kenvandine> i can't start the app as part of a session?
[15:15] <rickspencer3> bfiller,  I copied my old contacts.db and photos/ into a newly wiped phone
[15:15] <rickspencer3> the stuff from system/ worked
[15:15] <mardy> kenvandine: ah, sorry, I thought you were talking about the starting app
[15:15] <rickspencer3> but for some reason I had recent contacts.db and photos/  saved in <myemailaddress>.com/
[15:16] <rickspencer3> so, the contacts saved there aren't showing up in my contacts app
[15:16] <rickspencer3> thoughts?
[15:16] <mardy> kenvandine: no, then it works differently: when you create the trusted session, you can create fd's
[15:16] <kenvandine> so i want to create the session in the service
[15:16] <kenvandine> which would connect the app requesting the transfer and the app it starts
[15:16] <mardy> kenvandine: then, if you start a process with the MIR_SOCKET environment variable set to that fd, the new application will be started within the session
[15:17] <kenvandine> cool!
[15:17] <kenvandine> so your code doesn't do that :)
[15:17] <mardy> kenvandine: it does :-)
[15:17] <kenvandine> oh...
[15:17] <mardy> kenvandine: see requestSocket() in mir-helper.cpp, and see how the result is used
[15:17] <mardy> kenvandine: in ui-proxy.cpp
[15:20] <bfiller> rickspencer3: in a meeting, will ping you when done
[15:20] <rickspencer3> thanks bfiller
[15:21] <kenvandine> mardy, does MIR_SOCKET get wiped by upstart?  maybe i need an untrusted helper to start the dest
[15:24] <mardy> kenvandine: yes, I think you need an untrusted helper
[15:24] <mardy> kenvandine: in this branch I'm using it: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/click-plugins
[15:40] <zbenjamin> ogra_: ping, are there any news about gdbserver on the image? Seems it did not get in yet
[15:40] <ogra_> hmm, i thought it was added to the seeds at some point
[15:40] <zbenjamin> ogra_: or should a developer make his rootfs writeable and install it manually?
[15:41] <zbenjamin> ogra_: yeah i think we even created a bug for that
[15:41] <zbenjamin> but i can not find it anymore
[15:42] <Kris_> Hello?
[15:43] <Kris_> is anyone there?
[15:44] <Kris_> ls -a
[15:44] <popey> there are 280 odd people here.
[15:44] <Kris_> oh.....
[15:45] <Kris_> so do any of you 280 people know how to install Ubuntu touch on a kindle fire?
[15:45] <popey> !devices | Kris_
[15:45] <popey> is it in that list?
[15:46] <Kris_> in the working ports
[15:47] <Kris_> and what if i want to just install ubuntu
[15:47] <Kris_> with unity 7
[15:48] <Kris_> or 8
[15:48] <Kris_> ?
[15:48] <ogra_> it will most likely not run unless you write your own free accelerated graphics driver
[15:48] <Kris_> how would i do that?
[15:49] <dobey> is kindle fire a tegra machine too?
[15:49] <Kris_> no
[15:53] <bfiller> rickspencer3: stuff showing up under .local/share/evolution/addressbook/<emailaddress> would have been stuff you synced with google
[15:53] <rickspencer3> bfiller, weird, i never synced with google intentionally
[15:53] <rickspencer3> bfiller, I'll just nuke that stuff and copy the contacts into system/
[15:54] <bfiller> rickspencer3: is it a gmail address or canonical address?
[15:54] <rickspencer3> bfiller, it's canonical
[15:54] <bfiller> rickspencer3: you sure you never created a google online account using your canonical address?
[15:54] <rickspencer3> bfiller, I am sure that I did
[15:54] <rickspencer3> to get gmail notifications
[15:55] <rickspencer3> since I use gmail for my canonical address
[15:55] <bfiller> rickspencer3: ok, that's probably what the dir was for. if you setup that online account again you should be back to the same state
[15:55] <rickspencer3> bfiller, ok, will do
[16:22] <mvo> bzoltan: aha, thanks, I check it out
[16:30] <bzoltan> mvo:  cool
[17:15] <rvr> dpm: I thought that X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain was deprecated, but renato tells me it's just for click packages. Can you confirm?
[17:43] <zoheb> hello
[17:43] <zoheb> i want to install ubuntu touch on my device
[17:43] <zoheb> but i dont know if it is listed on supported device
[17:44] <zoheb> its an indian brand
[17:45] <bubbasaures> zoheb, The links above list covered devices, easy stuff to find in general.
[17:46] <zoheb> yup
[17:46] <zoheb> mine is not listed :(
[17:46] <bubbasaures> zoheb, Are you aware that this is a development model, it is not really a daily use setup, or only phone use.
[17:47] <zoheb> yes
[17:47] <zoheb> my phone is just lying around
[17:48] <zoheb> its hard heys are not working properly
[17:48] <bubbasaures> Cool just making sure, bets of luck, all you could do is try to install if you know how to reload the stock image.
[17:48] <zoheb> its 1 gb ram and dual core device
[17:51] <zoheb> any ways thanks :)
[18:11] <dpm> rvr, X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain needs to be removed from the .desktop file if it's a click app, IIRC.
[18:20] <rvr> dpm: It's not a click app
[18:20] <dpm> rvr, which app is it?
[18:20] <rvr> dpm: Mediaplayer
[18:22] <dpm> rvr, then it should specify X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain
[18:22] <rvr> dpm: They added support for .desktop localization. And I thought that once localized, X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain should be removed.
[18:24] <dpm> rvr, let me forward you the e-mail I sent to vrruiz when he asked me the same question
[18:24] <rvr> dpm: I'm vrruiz :)
[18:24] <dpm> hahah
[18:24] <dpm> the man with multiple nicks :)
[18:24] <dpm> then you should have some mail in your inbox :)
[18:25] <rvr> Yeah, reading it, thanks :)
[18:25] <dpm> rvr, if you've got a .deb for the app, I can have a look at it to be certain
[18:26] <rvr> dpm: Yeah, it's available here https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu-rtm/landing-005
[18:26]  * dpm looks
[18:27] <rvr> dpm: I tested it and seems fine. Just ships the flag, and I thought I was being deprecated.
[18:27] <rvr> in all cases, deb and click
[18:28] <rvr> The silo needs a langpack update, though. I created the .mo file from the project source.
[18:30] <rvr> dpm: What I don't understand is why the generated .desktop file don't have the translations. The one generated from sources, have them... Maybe differences between vivid and rtm.
[18:31] <dpm> rvr, yeah, that puzzles me a bit. I see that the .desktop file in the .deb doesn't have inline translations
[18:32] <dpm> rvr, so as the package is right now, it definitely needs X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain specified - and the translation included in the mediaplayer-app .mo file in the language packs
[18:45] <iwan2dualboot> hello. I am wanting to dual boot my pendo pad 7 with ubuntu. Can anyone tell me if this has/or can be done? Any help will be most appreciated.
[18:49] <popey> doesn't look like anyone has ported to that device iwan2dualboot
[18:51] <iwan2dualboot> hi popeye. thanks for your reply. Does that mean I shouldnt follow the instructions on the following website https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install?
[18:52] <iwan2dualboot> hi popey. thanks for your reply. Does that mean I shouldnt follow the instructions on the following website https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install?
[18:53] <popey> iwan2dualboot: you can
[18:53] <ogra_> iwan2dualboot, these instructions are only for supported devices ... ubuntu uses the drivers from the android source tree, you would have to port that part to make the generic ubuntu bits work on your device
[18:53] <popey> the very first line says "arget devices under active development are here."
[18:53] <popey> so follow that link
[18:53] <popey> if yours isn't listed then you can't do it
[18:54] <ogra_> well, you can port ... but thats ratther an advanced task and requires a bit of experience with both, android and ubuntu
[18:56] <iwan2dualboot> aarrr. damn. Thanks popey and ogra_. Well i guess thats the end of that. No ubuntu for my pad/tablet. : (
[19:39] <Hakushaku> hey, can somebody help me with instalation ubuntu touch
[19:39] <Hakushaku> ?
[19:42] <anpok_> your chances on getting answers are higher if you have more specific questions..
[19:42] <Hakushaku> im stuck trying to unlock bootloader
[19:43] <Hakushaku> device is overmav steelcore 10+ i have only recovery when i press vol - and power
[19:45] <Hakushaku> so on the first place i check the devices
[19:45] <Hakushaku> adb devices
[19:46] <Hakushaku> and i get<PHONE_NUMBER>ABCDEF device
[19:47] <Hakushaku> reboot bootlader restar device and now i have<PHONE_NUMBER>ABCDEF OFFLINE
[19:47] <dobey> vol + power is for the google nexus devices
[19:47] <dobey> if you're in bootloader you need to use fastboot to unlock it, not adb
[19:50] <Hakushaku> when i try ~sudo fastboot oem unlock
[19:50] <Hakushaku> i stuck on waiting for answer from device
[19:51] <davmor2> Hakushaku: you don't need the ~ infront
[19:51] <dobey> are you trying to port ubuntu to your device?
[19:51] <dobey> i don't see it listed on !devices
[19:52] <dobey> err
[19:52] <dobey> !devices
[19:54] <Hakushaku> i know this is not suported device but i want to try unlock bootloader and i fail
[19:55] <dobey> yes, but even if you manage to unlock the bootloader, you won't be able to install ubuntu on it, as there is no port for it yet
[19:55] <dobey> if fastboot oem-unlock doesn't work, i'm not sure what to tell you though. :-/
[19:57] <genii> Hakushaku: You need to look up a rooting guide specific to your device.
[19:58] <Hakushaku> it can be some kind missing driver? Other time i try .... yep i know but i stuck ont this allready 3 days
[20:07] <dobey> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2353360
[20:08] <dobey> Hakushaku: ^^ read that
[20:09] <dobey> appears you have to flash a custom rom from within the recovery mode, to root it
[20:09] <dobey> i'd be wary of doing that, though, if you want the device to remain usable :)
[20:13] <Hakushaku> debey i was looking for this file but all filles are die for 10+
 you still here?
[20:32] <Hakushaku> dobey: you still here?
[20:35] <dobey> well, we can't help you any further there then
[20:36] <dobey> you need to find the correct custom rom for your device if you want to root it, i think
[20:36] <dobey> your best bet is the xda developers forums


[00:02] <jthan> lou__: "being used?"
[00:02] <jthan> As in currently running, or?
[00:05] <lou__> yeah, let me rephrase
[00:05] <lou__> in eclipse, I am stepping through the jdk source code for debugging purposes
[00:05] <lou__> but, i seem to be stepping through lines of comments
[00:06] <lou__> does that mean that the source code in use doesn't match the openjdk that am using?
[00:07] <jthan> Hm. Not really my strong suit by any means.
[00:07] <jthan> "stepping through" you are reading through jdk source code?
[00:07] <jthan> But you're only reading comments?
[00:08] <lou__> yup
[00:09] <lou__> i am reading through the source code in real time
[00:09] <lou__> but, the lines of code that i am reading through are comments
[00:09] <lou__> where it should be the actual code being executed
[00:09] <jthan> Comments left by developers, or something that eclipse produces for you?
[00:10] <jthan> (again, excuse me, I have never done any work with jdk or eclipse)
[00:11] <lou__> yes. the openjdk6 source code has comments and all; but, if stepping through it, I should be looking at the lines of code
[00:11] <lou__> not the comments
[00:12] <jthan> Perhaps there is some kind of option in eclipse that has the actual source disabled for viewing?
[00:14] <lou__> maybe. I have someone at another room giving me a hand. thanks. brb
[00:15] <jthan> lou__: Let me know how you make out - I'm learning along with you on this one.
[00:17] <lou__> ok.thanks
[00:48] <InHisName> sounds like different versions of 'compiled' code and source not matching well.
[01:15] <lou__> I still didnt get it to work; but, I learned some things in the process. here is the conversation with the person that helped me if someone is interested
[01:15] <lou__> http://pastebin.com/jTaj12ts
[09:33] <rmg51> Morning
[09:33] <rmg51> another day of rain :P
[09:43] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:49] <rmg51> o/
[12:41] <InHisName> good drippy morning to you all !
[13:29] <JonathanD> Morning.
[21:18] <ChinnoDog> It is no longer morning
[21:22] <rmg51> how can you tell?
[21:22] <rmg51> dinner time :-D
[21:23] <ChinnoDog> I am probably skipping dinner
[21:23] <ChinnoDog> gotta pack and go to sleep and then get the last train out so I can go to the airport for 5:45am flight tomorrow
[22:08] <pleia2> airplanes++
[22:15] <ChinnoDog> yes, but..
[22:15] <ChinnoDog> morning--
[23:27] <InHisName> evening, ChinnoDog


[01:53] <Scary_Guy> Yeah, I think it restricts everything by default now and you have to allow it in.  Though I think it should still ask you.
[03:21] <dzho> we used jitsi for a LUG meeting today and one person had a heck of a time getting audio and video working
[03:22] <dzho> but the other five of us had no trouble really
[05:40] <Scary_Guy> I hate Chrome/ium but maybe use that?  I do use it for Netflix and other streaming services that refuse to work on Firefox.
[13:07] <cmaloney> Yeah, if Firefox isn't working then you'll have to suffer Chrome
[13:36] <dzho> yeah I don't remember if this guy was using Chrom[e|ium] or not, but that's what I was using and what I was recommending all around. I think we had him switch at one point. Turns out it was a permissions problem upstream somewhere in his settings. He swore he'd just used them all earlier and so they were working and that couldn't be it.
[13:36] <dzho> Until he went to check and that was it.
[13:37] <dzho> The permissions structures of these environments have always been a challenge to navigate, but the response to concerns about that seems to have been to add yet More Stuff, which then of course just makes it even harder to understand and control.
[15:11] <jrwren> wow... BigBlueButton looks interesting.
[15:17] <cmaloney> dzho: Yeah, that's the unfortunate side effect of browser-based controls
[15:38] <dzho> well, browser-based controls permuted through all possible web sites, and then layered atop OS-based controls permuted through all possible applications
[15:39] <dzho> like, spam was a hard-to-solve problem in mostly-text environments 30 years ago and the biggest response to it all seems to be "that sucks, so let's make silos and add multimedia features what could possibly go wrong"


[19:41] <Nothing_Much> My web browsers keep redirecting me to the mobile websites, what do I do to get the desktop websites back? (I'm using Xubuntu 13.10 and on Armhf)
[19:48] <brendand> Nothing_Much, it's down to the User-Agent. Change it in your preferred browser
[19:49] <Nothing_Much> brendand: How do I change the user agent?
[19:49] <brendand> Nothing_Much, which browser?
[19:49] <Nothing_Much> Firefox and Chromium
[19:50] <Nothing_Much> I should specify that I'm on the desktop version of Xubuntu.
[19:51] <brendand> Nothing_Much, what does http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ say?
[19:52] <Nothing_Much> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux armv7l; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/25.0
[19:52] <Nothing_Much> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux armv7l) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu Chromium/30.0.1599.114 Chrome/30.0.1599.114 Safari/537.36
[19:53] <Nothing_Much> brendand: ^
[19:56] <brendand> Nothing_Much, do you have an example of a page you're having a problem with?
[19:58] <Nothing_Much> brendand: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57615107-94/ubuntu-touch-os-wins-its-first-smartphone-partner/ The link says the news.cnet, but it redirects me to the mobile website.
[20:00] <brendand> Nothing_Much, is that the only one?
[20:01] <Nothing_Much> It directs me to the mobile home page too I believe.
[20:01] <Nothing_Much> Yeah it does
[20:08] <brendand> Nothing_Much, bug on their side i think
[20:08] <brendand> Nothing_Much, i also get the mobile site. and i'm on ubuntu desktop amd64
[20:08] <Nothing_Much> Oh my
[20:08] <Nothing_Much> Alright that's good, glad I'm not the only one
[20:09] <brendand> Nothing_Much, there's an option in the menu to switch


  I know a couple people that are still running 5.04
[18:04] <k1l> im not sure if just newbiw or troll
[18:04] <k1l> *futurama meme*
[19:42] <agu10^> * #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel
[19:42] <ikonia> not again
[19:42] <ikonia> agu10^: one moment please
[19:44] <ikonia> this time for arguing with a user
[19:44] <ikonia> agu10^: looks like you got banned....again,
[19:44] <agu10^> D:
[19:44] <ikonia> ?
[19:44] <agu10^> i don't know what happened exactly
[19:44] <ikonia> you didn't know last time either
[19:44] <agu10^> i don't usually argue at all
[19:45] <ikonia> I suggest you start paying attention to what you are doing
[19:45] <agu10^> not sure what you mean by arguing
[19:45] <agu10^> if you tell me what i'm doing wrong, i'll fix it
[19:45] <ikonia> I told you last time
[19:45] <agu10^> yes, last time yes
[19:45] <ikonia> agu10^: looks like you're just giving random advice this time
[19:46] <agu10^> but this time i have no idea
[19:46] <ikonia> you lead a user down bad advice, then told him he'd screwed his install
[19:47] <ikonia> which was just wrong
[19:47] <ikonia> then when you where asked to stop it (giving advice, causing a problem) you responded with "ughh"
[19:47] <ikonia> so I guess the operator had jus had enough of you and removed you from the channel
[19:49] <ikonia> do you need more detail ?
[19:53] <agu10^> got disconnected, sorry
[19:53] <agu10^> weird. I am unable to join #ubuntu now. ??
[19:53] <ikonia> no
[19:53] <ikonia> you shouldn't be able to
[19:55] <agu10^> i'm not sure what is the problem with ubuntu ops with me
[19:56] <ikonia> agu10^: you give bad advice
[19:56] <ikonia> then tell a user his system is screwed up
[19:56] <agu10^> really?
[19:56] <ikonia> yes
[19:57] <agu10^> *bad* advice? :( They are based on personal experience!
[19:57] <ikonia> agu10^: no,
[19:57] <ikonia> agu10^:  man /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs
[19:57] <ikonia> agu10^: does that command work ?
[19:58] <agu10^> what is that??
[19:58] <ikonia> agu10^: what you told a user to do
[19:58] <agu10^> in #ubuntu ?
[19:58] <ikonia> agu10^: yes
[19:58] <agu10^> let me see my logs
[19:58] <ikonia> 2013-02-20T08:01:05 <agu10^> man /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs
[19:58] <agu10^> so i can get the context
[19:58] <ikonia> it doesn't matter
[19:59] <ikonia> it's a nonsense command
[19:59] <ikonia> and when they user asked you what it did, you told him to "google it"
[19:59] <ikonia> so you made up a command, and when the user was surprised, you told him to google it
[20:00] <agu10^> i may not have realized he was asking about my comment
[20:00] <agu10^> i was probably angry at that user
[20:00] <ikonia> agu10^: he asked you specific about that command
[20:00] <ikonia> and just because you are angry does not mean you should give them nonsense commands
[20:00] <ikonia> later in the same day, you tell a user to upgrade his system from 12.04 to 12.10 by doing "apt-get upgrade"
[20:01] <agu10^> just using intuitive deduction
[20:01] <ikonia> when it doesn't work, you tell him "you've screwed your install then"
[20:01] <ikonia> then stop
[20:01] <ikonia> this also is nonsense
[20:01] <ikonia> and bad advice
[20:01] <ikonia> you don't appear to know what you are doing
[20:01] <ikonia> and you are causing people problems by giving them bad information
[20:01] <ikonia> and then telling them to "google it" when your bad information doesn't work
[20:02] <agu10^> i should probably learn more before trying to help
[20:02] <ikonia> yes, I think you should too
[20:02] <agu10^> i just thought maybe since they were basic problems i could help with the limited knowledge i possess
[20:02] <ikonia> agu10^: but you are just making stuff up
[20:02] <agu10^> but perhaps it's still not enought for those matters
[20:02] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with limited knowledge
[20:02] <ikonia> it's just made up
[20:02] <agu10^> I google the problems and find stuff, which i comment
[20:03] <agu10^> I'm no expert
[20:03] <agu10^> i copy paste
[20:03] <ikonia> I'm sorry, but google doesn't say "if apt-get upgrade doesn't work, your install is screwed"
[20:03] <ikonia> agu10^: the bottom line is, you're causing a problem in the channel.......again
[20:03] <ikonia> and yet again you don't know why
[20:04] <ikonia> agu10^: I'm happy to remove the ban, but I really need you to think had about what you say in the channel
[20:04] <ikonia> if you don't know the answer, don't speak, don't google, don't guess, just don't speak
[20:05] <ikonia> agu10^: can you keep within that rule ?
[20:06] <agu10^> yes. i'm sorry
[20:06] <agu10^> :/
[20:06] <ikonia> ok, no problem
[20:06] <ikonia> no harm done
[20:07] <ikonia> agu10^: I've removed the ban in #ubuntu
[20:07] <ikonia> please try to remember what we have spoken about in here
[20:07] <agu10^> yes. thanks!
[20:07] <agu10^> i will post the google links next time
[20:08] <ikonia> no !!!
[20:08] <ikonia> what did I say to do if you don't know the answer
[20:09] <agu10^> ok :/
[20:09] <agu10^> leave it to another user
[20:09] <ikonia> just don't speak
[20:09] <ikonia> agu10^: if you don't know - don't speak, don't guess, don't google, don't post links,
[20:10] <ikonia> agu10^: clear ?
[20:11] <agu10^> ok
[20:11] <agu10^> (:
[20:11] <ikonia> thank you
[20:11] <ikonia> so please /part this channel, and good luck in #ubuntu
[20:12] <agu10^> thanks. you're welcome ikonia !
[20:13] <agu10^> * #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel
[20:15] <Pici> agu10^: can you try again?
[20:15] <agu10^> ok
[21:38] <ikonia> Pici: did I miss a ban?
[21:39] <k1l_> agu10^: if its sorted out please part this channel.
[21:42] <Pici> ikonia: yes, a mute
[21:47] <ikonia> ah, saw the ban, didn't see the mute
[21:47] <ikonia> thanks Pici
[22:37] <Corey> Should probably nominate a few more ops for #ubuntu-phone.
[22:37] <Corey> Right now it's popey and freenode staff.
[22:37] <k1l_> yep just saw that because someone is complaining in u-irc
[22:39] <Myrtti> adding ubuntu member cloak might be a good idea
[22:40] <Myrtti> then again it might not
 I EAT BABIES BECAUSE THERE ARE NO OPS HERE      :/
[22:53] <AlanBell> k1l_: yeah, just talking to popey about the op situation in -phone at the moment
[22:53] <k1l_> at least the freenode staff is included so Myrtti can hopp in :)
[22:54] <Myrtti> or Corey, or Fuchs, or many other staff members
[22:55] <Fuchs> I think Corey was already looking into it?
[22:57] <popey> hello
[22:57] <AlanBell> hi popey :)
[22:57] <AlanBell> so popey wants some help detrolling -phone for a few hours
[22:57] <popey> I appreciate that I gave no notice.
[22:58] <popey> Kinda didn't expect it to turn into #ubuntu-release-party today
[22:58] <Corey> It happens. :-)
[22:58] <AlanBell> I expect it to be a normal channel on an ongoing basis, but it is busy busy busy
[22:58] <Corey> As a longer term project you might consider adding ops who aren't "you plus freenode staff." :-)
[22:58] <popey> We aim to merge -phone & -tablet into -touch
[22:58] <AlanBell> so basically all we can do popey is detroll it, but we are not going to be able to support people really
[22:58] <popey> but thats later when it calms
[22:58] <elky> something got released?
[22:59] <k1l_> i could keep an eye on it since i idle there and did ask a few things. but i wanted to go to bed in near time since its midnight here.
[22:59] <AlanBell> something did, but no countdown for code :(
[22:59] <popey> we did release on time when we said we would tho ☺
[22:59] <popey> (which makes a change)
[22:59] <AlanBell> releasing things \o/
[22:59] <elky> the tablet thing was days ago. i missed something?
[22:59] <AlanBell> so, shout if you want flags I guess
[23:00] <popey> the tablet thing days ago didn't release code
[23:00] <popey> well, I thought I had setup the flags right
[23:00] <k1l_> elky: today there was a sourcecode and images release for that tablet and phone
[23:00] <popey> tell me if i haven't
[23:00] <elky> OOH
[23:00] <elky> k1l_, i haven't had a chance to look at all the things i'm not paid to look at yet, hadn't seen that yet
[23:00] <AlanBell> k1l_: you have flags
[23:01] <k1l_> AlanBell: popey ok, thx
[23:01] <elky> also, unity icons just all went stupid on me while i was not-idle. disappearing to reboot
[23:01] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, flags are fine for the IRCC account, and I can add operators, they just have to wave ;)
[23:01] <AlanBell> I will keep a bit of an eye on it too
[23:02] <popey> Thank you!
[23:02] <Corey> AlanBell: I can do it on a temp basis if you're taking nominations.
[23:02] <k1l_> need to link the !guidelines in topic? (since someone pointed that missing)
[23:02] <Corey> But I'm distracted on and off throughout the day.
[23:02] <popey> obviously in the $futur we won't need a separate channel, and everyone can get support for their phone, tablet, tv, desktop or cloud, right in #ubuntu
[23:02] <popey> *ahem*
[23:02] <AlanBell> Corey: you have flags
[23:02] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, when we know how to support it :)
[23:02] <Corey> AlanBell: Uh...
[23:02] <popey> Welcome to my world.
[23:03] <AlanBell> I heard canonical were going to give a tablet to all operators . . .
[23:03] <Corey> AlanBell: You owe me a beer the next time we're in the same part of the world.  I *hate* that misspelling of my name. :-)
[23:03] <k1l_> AlanBell: hehe
[23:03] <Corey> It's also a different account.
[23:03] <Corey> So you probably want to fix that. :-)
[23:03] <AlanBell> gah
[23:03] <elky> hahaha
[23:03] <elky> ok, really rebooting now
[23:04] <AlanBell> Corey: try now
[23:04] <Corey> AlanBell: Much better, thanks. :-)
[23:04] <k1l_> elky: but its really just a demo so far. but the impact is huge on the mobile ubuntu guis
[23:04] <Corey> I played with a ubuntu phone device at FOSDEM.
[23:05] <Corey> Laggy and slow, if they can fix that it has potential, but seems very androidy.
[23:05] <popey> i didnt think we had any ubuntu phones at fosdem
[23:05] <popey> interesting
[23:05] <Corey> Er...
[23:05] <Corey> I may be an idiot.
[23:05] <Corey> That... may have been Firefox Mobile OS.
[23:05] <Fuchs> it was, and you are.
[23:06] <Corey> Okay, there might be a Ubuntu phone at SCaLE tomorrow.  I'll be back afterwards to complain about how laggy / slow / androidlike it is.
[23:06] <Fuchs> no, actually you were drunk. Sorry for calling you an idiot
[23:06] <Corey> Fuchs: Not *at* the conference I wasn't!
[23:06] <k1l_> on the nexus4 today it was nice. real snappy and fluid. (but the nexus4 is a real highclass phone) but needs alot of tweaks and bug testing though
[23:07] <AlanBell> it is half term at the moment so if I break the Nexus 7 I will get shouted at a lot


[00:09] <jrwren> well... he's kind of an icon.
[00:10] <cmaloney> Canonical has lost its four horsemen
[00:10] <jrwren> who were they?
[00:12] <cmaloney> Holbach was one
[00:26] <jrwren> Jono
[00:26] <jrwren> jorge.
[00:26] <jrwren> who is 4th?
[00:26] <cmaloney> I wan tto say Michael Hall, but I'm not sure that's correct
[00:26] <jrwren> no, he is still there.
[00:26] <cmaloney> and then there were a few others that expanded the ranks
[00:27] <jrwren> oh, lots.
[00:49] <cmaloney> Gotta love it when you get a recommendation to follow j1mc and see that Barack Obama is also following him.
[01:43] <jrwren> whos dat?
[03:00] <cmaloney> jrwren: The last president of the USA
[03:12] <jrwren> last president!!?!?  oh no! USA is ending?
[04:48] <greg-g> jrwren: you didn't notice?
[05:07] <jrwren> greg-g: lol.   i noticed.
[12:21] <_stink_> congrats jcastro!
[12:56] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, USA will be canceled like THe Apprentice
[12:56] <cmaloney> we had a good run
[21:18] <rick_h> ugh, is there anything scarier than ordering hard drives? "OMG lost all my data 1 star!"
[21:18] <jrwren> hahaha, too true!
[21:19] <jrwren> which reminds me, I need to stop being cheap and mirror some data :)
[21:19] <rick_h> yea, I'm getting to time to upgrade my NAS from 2TB to 4 I think
[21:19] <jrwren> oh definitely it is time.
[21:19] <rick_h> but damn, so many different drives even though it's only like 3 companies now and they all have 6-16% 1-star reviews with big scary reviews
[21:19] <jrwren> but then, i'm 13TB :)
[21:20] <rick_h> well at 1.5 of 2TB in a mirror
[21:20] <jrwren> I just learned about WD "GOLD" drives recently. They are the enterprise class drives.
[21:20] <rick_h> 13TB? nice
[21:20] <rick_h> heh, black, green, red, blue, and now gold!
[21:21] <rick_h> "how much do you care about this data on a scale of 1 to 5?"
[21:21] <jrwren> hahaha.
[21:21] <rick_h> I didn't realize they were up to 16TB disks
[21:21] <jrwren> they aren't, are they?
[21:21] <jrwren> I thought the 16TB NAS was 2 - 8TB drives.
[21:22] <rick_h> I  http://a.co/iqtmOGG
[21:22] <rick_h> oh sorry, yea 8TB disks
[21:22] <rick_h> I was thinking 16 for the pair of them
[21:22] <jrwren> there is a 10TB there too!
[21:22] <jrwren> I didn't know about those.
[21:22] <rick_h> actually a 10TB there as well :/
[21:23] <jrwren> i'm cheap so I go for value and then mirror... but then i'm cheap and break the mirror, and use hte space, lol.
[21:23] <jrwren> i've been very lucky.
[21:23]  * jrwren knocks on wood
[21:23] <rick_h> lol
[21:23] <jrwren> i feel like i've been playing press your luck.
[21:24] <jrwren> i've gotta stop thinking about it. it will stress me out ;)
[21:24] <rick_h> I should not be cheap and do more than just double the space to 4TB
[21:24] <rick_h> lol
[21:24] <rick_h> time to start the "important NAS"
[21:24] <rick_h> and the "if it goes boom then oh well" NAS
[22:18] <cmaloney> heh