[00:20] <adtoes> hey all
[00:20] <adtoes> adam@adam-desktop:~$ gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[00:20] <adtoes> adam@adam-desktop:~$ rm -rf ~/.gconf/apps/panel
[00:20] <adtoes> adam@adam-desktop:~$ pkill gnome-panel
[00:20] <adtoes> oops
[00:21] <adtoes> my cairo dock is doing this
[00:21] <adtoes> http://img413.imageshack.us/i/screen1bn.png
[00:21] <aveilleux> !pastebin | adtoes
[00:21] <ubot2> adtoes: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[00:22] <aveilleux> adtoes: Could you use a different image host, something like imgur.com? Imageshack doesn't agree with my computer very well.
[00:22] <adtoes> ok
[00:24] <adtoes> http://imgur.com/nPnKw
[00:24] <adtoes> http://imgur.com/4iPhE
[00:25] <aveilleux> adtoes: Ahh, I see. Cairo's not spanning across the monitors properly.
[00:25] <adtoes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/556386/
[00:25] <adtoes> is that how i do that pastebin?
[00:28] <aveilleux> adtoes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cairo-dock-core/+bug/549683 for the Cairo fix
[00:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 549683 in cairo-dock-core "Dock not correctly drawn on multi screen using cairo backend" [Medium,Fix committed]
[00:28] <aveilleux> adtoes: As for the panels, what happens when you try to add a panel?
[00:29] <aveilleux> adtoes: Also http://www.watchingthenet.com/restore-panels-in-ubuntu-back-to-their-default-settings.html
[00:30] <adtoes> ya i tried that : http://www.watchingthenet.com/restore-panels-in-ubuntu-back-to-their-default-settings.html
[00:30] <aveilleux> adtoes: Or http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7437921&postcount=2
[00:34] <adtoes> eeek
[00:34] <adtoes> that crashed my comp
[00:35] <adtoes> lol
[00:36] <adtoes> when i typed: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[00:36] <adtoes> it put me into just a black dialog
[00:38] <aveilleux> Interesting
[00:38] <aveilleux> Yeah
[00:38] <aveilleux> Did it log you out? like, a black screen with a login
[00:38] <adtoes> is there somewhere i gui to just add a panel?
[00:38] <adtoes> from there i could only get to a tty1
[00:38] <aveilleux> adtoes: I don't know of a way to add a panel without a panel to right-click on
[00:39] <adtoes> the buy who posted that code hasn't replied since it screwed my panels up
[00:39] <adtoes> *guy
[00:39] <aveilleux> adtoes: When you do /etc/init.d/gdm stop does the black screen say "login:"?
[00:39] <adtoes> nope
[00:40] <aveilleux> adtoes: Okay, well... write those commands down
[00:40] <adtoes> i can type stuff but nothing happens
[00:40] <aveilleux> adtoes: Then run /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[00:40] <adtoes> ya god plan
[00:40] <aveilleux> wait for the rest of the instructions
[00:40] <adtoes> i'll be back lol
[00:40] <aveilleux> wait
[00:40] <adtoes> k
[00:40] <aveilleux> then hit Ctrl+Alt+F1
[00:40] <aveilleux> log in through the text interface
[00:40] <aveilleux> then run the commands
[00:40] <aveilleux> once you're done, run sudo reboot
[00:41] <aveilleux> then come back here
[00:41] <adtoes> ok ty very much man!!!
[00:46] <adtoes> aveilleux: damn
[00:48] <aveilleux> adtoes: No luck?
[00:48] <adtoes> aveilleux: negative
[00:48] <adtoes> just reset my themes, icons and backgrounds
[00:48] <adtoes> how do you get a name infront of what you type?
[00:49] <aveilleux> adtoes: I start typing the name then hit tab
[00:49] <adtoes> adtoes: nice sweet
[00:49] <adtoes> aveilleux: just like term
[00:49] <aveilleux> adtoes: Yeah. Though you have to make the part you type unique enough to be guessed.
[00:50] <adtoes> ya i getchia
[00:50] <adtoes> aveilleux: i getchia
[00:50] <aveilleux> adtoes: something you can try is reinstalling gnome-panel
[00:51] <aveilleux> adtoes: in Terminal: sudo apt-get remove gnome-panel --purge && sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[00:52] <adtoes> aveilleux:  i try now :)
[00:52] <adtoes> then a re-boot?
[00:52] <aveilleux> adtoes: yeah
[00:52] <adtoes> aveilleux:  or logout then back in?
[00:53] <adtoes> k
[00:53] <adtoes> aveilleux:  brb
[00:55] <adtoes> aveilleux: buddy
[00:58] <aveilleux> adtoes: hm?
[00:58] <adtoes> aveilleux: <3
[00:58] <adtoes> aveilleux:  lol
[00:58] <aveilleux> adtoes: You're welcome :P
[00:58] <adtoes> yes ty sooooo much
[00:59] <adtoes> aveilleux:  after remove gnome-panel --purge
[00:59] <adtoes> aveilleux: whats the purge do?
[01:00] <aveilleux> adtoes: It removes the system-level configuration for that package
[01:00] <adtoes> aveilleux: system level?
[01:00] <aveilleux> adtoes: in /etc
[01:00] <adtoes> aveilleux: oh
[01:00] <adtoes> aveilleux: ill read up on it
[01:01] <adtoes> aveilleux: now to figure out the whole cairo issue
[02:55] <walkkenn> I have installed 10.4 netbook on my ASUS and I am having trouble using my ethernet port  Maybe I don't have it set up right
[02:59] <walkkenn> OK, here's another problem I'm having ... my cursor jumps around when I type sometimes
[03:18] <walkkenn> I have netbook 10.4 installed in an ASUS and it doesn't and I can't connect through ethernet cable port
[04:21] <egossett> why do i have 25 blocked updates mostly kde
[04:25] <ddecator> egossett: could be for a few different reasons. if you're using PPAs or are running Natty, then the updates may be out but not for your system architecture. it could also be that an update conflicts with an installed package
[04:25] <egossett> ok
[04:25] <egossett> ddecator: ok thank you i do have ppa's so i will look at them
[04:26] <egossett> ddecator: not sure how to tell if i have conflicts
[04:26] <egossett> ddecator: but thanks for that response
[04:27] <ddecator> egossett: that's fairly common if you're running 64-bit, the 32-bit update may have built but the 64-bit may have not for some reason. to see if you have conflicts, use synaptic to find the packages which have updates, mark them to update, and it will tell you if there are conflicts
[04:27] <egossett> ddecator: using 32 bit 10.04 lts with kde
[04:27] <ddecator> more likely the latter then
[04:28] <ddecator> unless the updates are from a PPA
[04:28] <egossett> is ppa in synpaic also
[04:28] <ddecator> that's in Software
[04:28] <ddecator> whoops
[04:28] <ddecator> Software Sources*
[04:28] <egossett> found synpatic
[04:29] <ddecator> if it's a lot of KDE stuff, the only PPA i can think of would be the KDE Beta PPA
[04:29] <egossett> what to search for in synpatic
[04:30] <ddecator> the packages that were said to have updates. unfortunately there is no way to know which one is causing a conflict until you come across it. there might be a faster way to do this, but this is the only way i know
[04:30] <egossett> i see some that are highlight green with little star (kde) - must be the ones which are blocked
[04:31] <ddecator> i think that means there is an update available for that package
[04:33] <egossett> ok doing that, said upgrade on some and update on some
[04:33] <egossett> now the ppa's are in software, will check there
[04:39] <yofel> beta PPA doesn't have lucid stuff, so it's either backports, or if he's not doing that then something's not right with 4.4.5 in lucid-updates
[04:39] <yofel> egossett: could you check which ppas you have? (if any of the kde ones)
[04:40] <egossett> yofel: ok thanks
[04:40] <egossett> yofel: the synaptic is running
[04:40] <egossett> ddecator: and yofel: i got error
[04:41] <egossett> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdenetwork/kopete_4.5.3-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2_i386.deb
[04:41] <egossett> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdenetwork/kopete_4.5.3-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2_i386.deb
[04:41] <ddecator> well look at that :)
[04:41]  * yofel checks the ppa
[04:41] <ddecator> thanks yofel
[04:42] <egossett> where is my list of ppa (sorry i cannot find this list)
[04:43] <yofel> egossett: that is odd - that file definitely exists
[04:43] <yofel> and I can download it fine here
[04:43] <egossett> hmmm
[04:43] <ddecator> egossett: under "Software Sources" i think the tab is called "Third Party Sources"
[04:43] <egossett> ok one minute
[04:44] <ddecator> or "Other Software" on 10.10
[04:44] <egossett> my list includes 2 canonical and 2 launchpad
[04:44] <yofel> canonical would be partner I guess
[04:44] <egossett> launchpad ubuntu
[04:44] <egossett> launchpad tualatrix
[04:44] <egossett> launchpad kubuntu ppa
[04:45] <egossett> launchpad ubuntu ppa
[04:45] <ddecator> i wonder why it can't downlod the update..
[04:45] <ddecator> download*
[04:46] <yofel> egossett: can you run 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' in konsole and pastebin the output?
[04:46] <egossett> now i get message to update lopete and python kde 4
[04:47] <egossett> yofel: ok i will run this one minute plss
[04:48] <egossett> i don't have konsole, i have terminal will that be ok
[04:48] <yofel> sure
[04:48] <egossett> duh konsole is same
[04:48] <egossett> hahahaha
[04:49] <ddecator> hm, i just downloaded the deb without issue too
[04:49] <egossett> yofel: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:49] <egossett> [sudo] password for evalyn:
[04:49] <egossett> Reading package lists... Done
[04:49] <egossett> Building dependency tree
[04:49] <egossett> Reading state information... Done
[04:49] <egossett> Calculating upgrade... Done
[04:49] <egossett> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:49] <egossett> evalyn@evalyn-E1705:~$
[04:49] <yofel> !paste
[04:49] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[04:50] <yofel> egossett: that says you don't have any pending updates?
[04:50] <ddecator> what the..
[04:51] <egossett> ddecator: yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556431/
[04:51] <egossett> you guys solve the problem
[04:51] <ddecator> egossett: run "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" just in case
[04:52] <ddecator> but it looks like everything updated
[04:52] <egossett> kk
[04:53] <egossett> copying to paste bin
[04:54] <egossett> http://paste.ubuntu.com/556432/
[04:54] <ddecator> well, one of your PPAs is missing its key, but all of your updates are installed
[04:55] <egossett> where is the key
[04:55] <yofel> egossett: can you disable that ubuntu-doc/ppa ?
[04:55] <egossett> ok
[04:56] <yofel> then try again
[04:56] <yofel> as for the key...
[04:56] <yofel> run: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 632D16BB0C713DA6
[04:56] <egossett> ubuntu doc ppa is disable
[04:56] <egossett> try again? which command
[04:57] <yofel> egossett: first apt-key, then the update/dist-upgrade from just now
[04:57] <egossett> I got message information about avaialble software is outof date should i reload?
[04:58] <yofel> run apt please
[04:58] <yofel> (sudo apt-get update will update the software cache)
[04:59] <ddecator> egossett: if you're talking about when you disabled the PPA and it asked you to reload, then yes
[04:59] <egossett> i just closed it
[05:00] <egossett> http://paste.ubuntu.com/556433/
[05:00] <yofel> egossett: erm, I mean the apt-key command I posted
[05:01] <ddecator> "sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 632D16BB0C713DA6" without the quotes
[05:01] <ddecator> at least the ubuntu-doc ppa was disabled
[05:01] <yofel> but it does seem that all updates were applied
[05:01] <egossett> yofel: sorry i missed that line
[05:02] <egossett> http://paste.ubuntu.com/556434/
[05:03] <egossett> ddecator: and yofel: you are awesome, must have fixed it. smile
[05:03] <ddecator> good, so the key is all set. now run "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" one more time
[05:03] <egossett> kk
[05:05] <egossett> http://paste.ubuntu.com/556435/
[05:05] <ddecator> perfect. looks like you're all set :)
[05:05] <egossett> ddecator: thank you so much
[05:05] <egossett> yofel: thank you so much
[05:05] <ddecator> egossett: any time, that's why we're here
[05:06] <egossett> I did learn a little something there, not all that you did but something
[05:06] <egossett> smile
[05:30] <MrAnthrope> Hrm... /home/geo/.wine/drive_c/Program Files keeps making itself so I can't modify files in it. I turn permissions back on and it disables them shortly afterwards.
[05:33] <MrAnthrope> wine: /home/geo/.wine is not owned by you
[05:35] <MrAnthrope> And now it's not even letting me see files or folders within Program Files unless I'm root.
[05:44] <jermza> Anyone here?  The last few times, no one seems to answer...
[05:44] <MrAnthrope> I'm here. Also waiting for an answer :)
[05:45] <ddecator> there are a few people here. sorry MrAnthrope i didn't respond because i'm not sure how to address your problem
[05:45] <MrAnthrope> :)
[05:59] <jermza> so here's my question: I have 2 instances of "Broadcast" in my top panel.  One shows me as logged in, and the other not.  This happened all of a sudden.
[06:00] <ddecator> if you log out and back in, are there still two icons?
[06:01] <jermza> It doesn't matter what I do, the two stay.
[06:01] <jermza> If I remove Gwibber from my STartup Apps, then one appears.
[06:02] <ddecator> ooooh, are you seeing two of the envelope icons or two listings for "Broadcast" in the drop-down?
[06:04] <jermza> 2 Broadcast icons
[06:04] <jermza> In the dropdown.
[06:04] <jermza> Two listings for Broadcast in the dropdown.
[06:04] <ddecator> can you run "top" without the quotes in a terminal and see if there are two gwibber processes?
[06:06] <jermza> Unless I'm blind, I don't Gwibber at all, there.
[06:07] <ddecator> hmm, i think the process should be called gwibber-service
[06:08] <jermza> Don't see it.
[06:09] <ddecator> odd, and gwibber is definitely running right now?
[06:09] <jermza> I don't know.  One instance shows it as logged in, and the other instance shows it as not logged in.
[06:10] <jermza> When I open SYstem Monitor, it shows 9 instances of Gwibber-service
[06:10] <jermza> all of them "sleeping"
[06:11] <ddecator> that's very strange. try running "killall gwibber-service" which should end those processes, then restart gwibber
[06:14] <jermza> I did that.  Broadcast appeared as one instance.
[06:14] <jermza> I then clicked on it, to log in.
[06:14] <jermza> It now shows two instances again.
[06:14] <ddecator> i wonder if the problem is with the applet and not gwibber..
[06:14] <jermza> Just all of a sudden?
[06:15] <ddecator> have you installed any updates lately?
[06:15] <jermza> yes
[06:16] <ddecator> and update could have caused it
[06:17] <jermza> hmm
[06:17] <ddecator> an*
[06:18] <ddecator> i'm honestly not sure what the best option would be. resetting the panel seems extreme and i'm not sure that would make any difference...someone else might have an idea
[06:19] <jermza> ok
[06:20] <jermza> There are a couple of threads on Ubuntu about it.
[06:20] <jermza> But not a single answer.
[07:42] <MrAnthrope> Sometimes my screen fades to black and white and the app I'm using crashes. Does anyone know how to turn off fading to black and white? Or why it's doing it in the first place?
[07:43] <bioterror> MrAnthrope, you can start with Xorg.0.log
[08:36] <charliemac> What's the difference between a kernel and a Device/Login Manager?
[08:41] <JackyAlcine> !kernel
[08:41] <ubot2> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - See also: /msg ubottu stages
[08:41] <JackyAlcine> !gdm
[08:41] <ubot2> Factoid 'gdm' not found
[08:41] <JackyAlcine> ?
[08:42] <JackyAlcine> !kdm
[08:42] <ubot2> Factoid 'kdm' not found
[08:42] <JackyAlcine> o.o
[08:43] <JackyAlcine> Well, a Login Manager is the authentication layer between Xorg (soon to be replaced with Wayland) and transfers control to the approriate DM (or Desktop Manager)
[08:43] <JackyAlcine> charliemac: ^^ Answered your question? or more in-depth is needed?
[08:45] <charliemac> Good question...
[08:45] <charliemac> I am not sure whether I should install DSL (DamSmalLinux) or Lubuntu on my laptop.
[08:47] <JackyAlcine> charliemac: What are you looking for?
[08:47] <charliemac> I need to replace WinXp and I want it basic and efficient.
[08:48] <charliemac> *With room to develop/expand/enhance
[08:48] <charliemac> *In terms of capabilities
[08:50] <charliemac> How does Ubuntu/Lubuntu compare with Knoppix, RedHat, DSL (DamSmalLinux), and Mint?
[09:02] <JackyAlcine> Sorry, charliemac. Should include my name. And I'm not too sure.
[09:02] <JackyAlcine> !knoppix
[09:02] <ubot2> Factoid 'knoppix' not found
[09:02] <JackyAlcine> !redhat
[09:02] <ubot2> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[09:02] <JackyAlcine> Well, I can tell you this. Lubuntu's the "lighter" edition of Ubuntu, designed to run on 0.125 GB (128MB RAM) and with limited resources.
[09:03] <JackyAlcine> It's the ideal system for older computers
[09:03] <JackyAlcine> ^^ charliemac
[09:24] <charliemac> Can "Mobile Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 532 supporting HT Technology  (1M Cache, 3.06 GHz, 533 MHz FSB)" support 64-bit?
[09:26] <geirha> lshw -class cpu   # check the width
[09:29] <charliemac> Wikipedia says 90nm
[09:31] <charliemac> as does <http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27368> ;P
[09:33] <JackyAlcine> It seems so.
[09:34] <charliemac> JackyAlcine: What seems so?
[09:35] <JackyAlcine> that the Pentinum4 532 can handle 64-bit apps
[09:40] <geirha> lshw -class cpu | grep width   gives me   width: 64 bits
[09:41] <geirha> (completely different processor though, I just assumed you were running Ubuntu)
[09:42] <charliemac> Can Pentium 4 532 HT support the 64-bit ubuntu?
[09:43] <geirha> If it's a 64-bit processor, which JackyAlcine apparently has googled for you
[09:43] <head_victim> That link seems to suggest it's only 32 bit (the intel.com one)
[09:43] <geirha> Ah yes, didn't see that until now, it says the instruction set is 32 bit
[09:44] <geirha> So no, you need the 32-bit
[09:44] <charliemac> That's true...  But <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit> seems to suggest that a Pentium 4 "Prescott" works...
[09:45] <charliemac> Perhaps it simply isn't 5x1 or F series?
[09:46] <geirha> Appears so
[09:54] <MrAnthrope> I had terrible performance on my new computer until I realized my processor was 64 bit and I had installed 32 bit Ubuntu.
[10:05] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[10:58] <JackyAlcine> Hey Silver_Fox_
[10:58] <Silver_Fox_> Hello JackyAlcine .
[10:58] <Silver_Fox_> How are you?
[10:59] <JackyAlcine> *yawns* Just a bit tired; it's pretty early @ UTC -5
[10:59] <JackyAlcine> how about you?
[11:01] <Silver_Fox_> I am fine thank you JackyAlcine .
[11:01] <Silver_Fox_> Just looking at load averages
[11:51] <charliemac_> is there a "
[11:51] <charliemac_> channel for #lubuntu-beginners ?
[11:51] <charliemac_> How can I access #lubuntu ?
[11:51] <Silver_Fox_>  /join #lubuntu
[12:01] <Red-Raven> hey guys. i need help finishing up my SSH server.
[12:02] <Red-Raven> i got it DLd,  so now i guess i need to open port 22 and take down the rueter's firewall on that port.
[12:02] <Red-Raven> how do i lower the firewall?
[12:03] <Red-Raven> (I can open the port.)
[12:05] <charliemac> Is it safe to interrupt WinXP installation in order to overwrite the hard drive with #lubuntu ?
[12:06] <JackyAlcine> charliemac: I'm assuming so. FAT32 is more "robust" than EXT* file systems so not that much damage would be caused.
[12:06] <charliemac> Or any other kind of #ubuntu ?
[12:06] <Red-Raven> probably. as long as that install has nothing to do with the lubuntu partition (but get a second opinion. i've only been here a month now.)
[12:08] <charliemac> What if I'm trying to install ubuntu from the previously external hard drive which now has Lubuntu's ISO unpacked as the contents of the recovery partition?
[12:08] <charliemac> Without a cd-rom?
[12:11] <charliemac> I guess I can just wait for XP to finish and then access the recovery partition through windows explorer...
[12:12] <charliemac> Can I create a Lubuntu partition from within winxp?
[12:12] <Red-Raven> yup.
[12:12] <Red-Raven> hey can i use port 84 for my SSH?
[12:13] <charliemac> Will I then be able to bypass winxp and boot straight into Lubuntu?
[12:15] <Red-Raven> sort of. on start up you will get the GRUB menu. from there you pick which OS you want. if you don't pick in 10 seconds it auto boots into whatever primary Linux Distro (in this case Lubuntu) you have.
[12:15] <JoeMaverickSett> charliemac: is your lubuntu already installed? on the separate/external hard drive? if so how did you install it?
[12:15] <Red-Raven> can anyone here help me out with this SSH server?
[12:16] <JoeMaverickSett> Red-Raven: i believe you could use any port as long as you need to access it from outside, you gotta have that port do port forwarding in your router.
[12:16] <charliemac> JoeMaverickSett:  it isn't installed but its ISO is unpacked into the recovery partion of the same hard drive.  I was using it externally on a separate PC
[12:17] <Red-Raven> ok thx.
[12:21] <walkkenn> I just installed 10.4 netbook on my ASUS and I can't get my ethernet port to work.
[12:23] <charliemac> How can I choose which partition to open from the GRUB menu?  The only boot options are Hard Drive, Floppy Disc, Cd-ROM, and Network, as far as I can tell, apparently without regard for partitions. #lubuntu ?
[12:26] <Red-Raven> thats not GRUB then. thats BIOS.
[12:27] <Red-Raven> how many HDDs are pluged in?
[12:28] <duanedesign> Red-Raven: did you get your SSH Server finished?
[12:28] <Red-Raven> no. which IP do i put in for port forwarding?
[12:29] <Red-Raven> is it the IP of the machine im putting the server on?
[12:31] <duanedesign> Red-Raven: what ever port is specified in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[12:31] <Red-Raven> no i know the port.
[12:32] <Red-Raven> what i need to know is what IP do i put in the box for port forwarding?
[12:32] <duanedesign> Red-Raven: oh, i am sorry. MisreAD your question :P
[12:32] <Red-Raven> Sok/
[12:32] <Red-Raven> .*
[12:34] <Red-Raven> (not trying to nag, but i don't have much time. i want to get it working so i can test it at school today)
[12:37] <duanedesign> Red-Raven: i have not set up port forwarding before with SSH
[12:38] <Red-Raven> ok. have you port forwarded something else? i opened the port but multiple websites say its still closed.
[12:39] <JoeMaverickSett> Red-Raven: let's say this computer you're using is going to be accessed, therefore port forward to this.
[12:39] <duanedesign> hmm. Have you set the iptable on your SSH server computer.
[12:40] <Red-Raven> so port forward to the computer the server will be running on?
[12:40] <duanedesign> something like:  iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport ssh -j ACCEPT
[12:40] <Red-Raven> is it a config file i can change as root?
[12:40] <JoeMaverickSett> Red-Raven: you could either set the computer to use static ip or let the router reserve a static ip for this computer by defining with MAC address.
[12:40] <duanedesign> or open with: gksudo gedit ...
[12:41] <Red-Raven> ok. so which IP from the server do i use? inet or Bcast? (from ifconfig)
[12:42] <JoeMaverickSett> Red-Raven: inet
[12:42] <Red-Raven> i have forwarded that to the port i picked.
[12:42] <JoeMaverickSett> Red-Raven: and i think you should have a static ip for that ubuntu box.
[12:42] <Red-Raven> but multiple port checkers say its still closed.
[12:44] <JoeMaverickSett> Red-Raven: so you used network tools to port scan your router?
[12:44] <Red-Raven> no. just a port checking website.
[12:46] <Red-Raven> could it be firewalled somehow?
[12:47] <duanedesign> Red-Raven: have you set the iptable on the computer to allow ssh. This command should open the port. iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport ssh -j ACCEPT
[12:47] <walkkenn> anyone know where I can find a tutorial on setting up network applet 0.8
[12:47] <JoeMaverickSett> Red-Raven: try what duanedesign has suggested. :)
[12:49] <Red-Raven> i put sudo in front, put in my password, and nothing happened. did it work?
[12:50] <Red-Raven> a port checking site said its still closed.
[12:50] <duanedesign> Red-Raven: iptables -L   <--will tell you if it saved
[12:50] <duanedesign> walkkenn: hello
[12:51] <duanedesign> walkkenn: Are you looking to install network manager 0.8
[12:51] <Red-Raven> done. what am i looking for?
[12:52] <duanedesign> Red-Raven: should look similar to the command
[12:52] <Red-Raven> no i mean the output.
[12:52] <Red-Raven> how do i tell if it was saved?
[12:53] <duanedesign> ACCEPT   tcp  --  anywhere  anywhere  tcp dpt:ssh
[12:53] <duanedesign> something like that^
[12:53] <Red-Raven> yup.
[12:53] <Red-Raven> i have that.
[12:55] <duanedesign> walkkenn: there is a PPA that has the daily builds:  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:network-manager/trunk
[12:55] <Red-Raven> well i got to go. ill tty once im at school.
[12:55] <Red-Raven> i go in early.
[13:12] <Red-Raven> hey. so thers not mauch i can do now (im at school).
[13:12] <Red-Raven> if the server was up and running, how would i connect ?
[13:14] <smudgy> hi all - anyone know how to configure ubuntu to use traditional ifup instead of network manager ui?
[13:16] <geirha> smudgy: You edit /etc/network/interfaces
[13:16] <geirha> network manager should ignore interfaces set up in that file.
[13:17] <geirha> man interfaces  explains the format, and there's a page in the server guide or on the wiki about it too
[13:18] <smudgy> i've been thru that tnx
[13:18] <smudgy> defined my eth0 iface
[13:18] <walkkenn> Sorry, got distracted.  applet 0.8 installed and wifi works good  http://paste.ubuntu.com/556509/
[13:18] <walkkenn> Can't seem to get the ethernet cable to work
[13:19] <smudgy> even tried to get rid of NM (but didn't select to remove files)
[13:19] <smudgy> so now i can run ifdown ifup but it isn;t quite functional
[13:20] <smudgy> nm is still somehow interfering
[13:20] <walkkenn> I got the MAC address for the wired input
[13:22] <smudgy> i'll keep beavering away from time to time. luckily suse has a gui that sets networking to be done via traditional ifup and i need to find out what it does so that i can get ubuntu to work on resume.
[13:23] <smudgy> otherwise suspend etc works fine once you just use the correct boot parameter (grub1 easier) ;>)
[13:25] <smudgy> geirha: thanks for the reply anyway
[14:27] <ShootEmUp> Hello Everyone!
[14:57] <charliemac> How can I make sure that my USB flash drive is bootable?
[15:00] <JoeMaverickSett> charliemac: use unetbootin - http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net and download the .exe file if you're on windows
[15:01] <charliemac> Ok, I've done that already.  The issue i'm having is getting the target machine to boot from it
[15:02] <JoeMaverickSett> charliemac: stick in the usb into your pc, reboot the pc, look at the option to boot from, mine says "F12 Boot Options", hit that option, choose USB
[15:03] <charliemac> The problem is that when I'm in the boot menu, there is no USB option
[15:04] <wolfpack> charliemac: Is your PC very old
[15:04] <wolfpack> ?
[15:05] <JoeMaverickSett> charliemac: did you check if your BIOS supports USB booting?
[15:05] <charliemac> How can I check that?
[15:06] <JoeMaverickSett> charliemac: probably the documentations that came along with the pc or online documentation about the pc?
[15:07] <charliemac> It looks like this one came out in 2005, gateway 7330gz <http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/gateway-7330gz-mobile-pentium/1707-3121_7-31477979.html>.
[15:08] <charliemac> What section of the online documentation would that likely be under? <http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/7000Series/4997nv.shtml>.
[15:15] <head_victim> I think it's likely that you can't boot of USB
[15:15] <head_victim> So you need to use a CD
[15:17] <charliemac> Oh :| lol
[15:24] <charliemac> Szh: Looks like my computer is from 2005 <http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/gateway-7330gz-mobile-pentium/1707-3121_7-31477979.html>.  I don't want to boot from a cd because I don't know how to confirm the downloaded ISO in the first place, I am a little confused by the description in the documentation <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CheckCD>...
[15:49] <charliemac> Where do I find the correct  data required to run the Md5Sum on the Lubuntu 10.10 ISO, which I downloaded directly from lubuntu.net?
[15:54] <geirha> What OS are you currently using?
[15:56] <geirha> The md5sums for the lubuntu ISOs are at http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
[15:57] <geirha> If you download via bittorrent, you don't need to check it, your torrent client has done that for you.
[16:30] <Bolo>  I have been trying to get my ethernet port working using instruction found on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9449490   http://paste.ubuntu.com/556556/    I have been working on this problem for a couple of days, but I just don't have the expertise to work it out.  I have an asus with netbook 10.4 and the ether port doesn't work.   Every time I try to install the patch, it asks me if I want to continue and I say Yes and
[16:30] <Bolo>  it aborts.
[16:31] <charliemac> geirha:  I am currently using winVista as the source machine and WinXP as the target.
[16:32] <charliemac> I don't even have a torrent client.
[16:33] <charliemac> I got my ISO striagt from Lubuntu.net, and it's not a match to the corresponding sum at <http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt>...  :[
[16:41] <Bolo>  I have been trying to get my ethernet port working using instruction found on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9449490   http://paste.ubuntu.com/556556/   I have been working on this problem for a couple of days, but I just don't have the expertise to work it out.  I have an asus with netbook 10.4 and the ether port doesn't work. Every time I try to install the patch, it asks me if I want to continue and I say Yes and it
[16:41] <Bolo>  aborts.
[16:42] <geirha> charliemac: Ouch, sounds like it has been corrupted then, somehow :/
[16:45] <geirha> Bolo: That happens when you do  sudo make install  ?  Could you paste the output of that?   sudo make install 2>&1 | tee make.output   # that'll make all the output go to the file named make.output in addition to be shown in the terminal. Once done, pastebin that file.
[16:46] <holstein> Bolo: thats to get WIFI working?
[16:46] <holstein> NM
[16:46] <holstein> i see
[17:27] <ereotav> is there anyway to display in 1920 x 1680?
[17:31] <UndiFineD> sorry ereotav I cannot handle a resolution that high
[17:32] <UndiFineD> I have 1920x1080 (16:9)
[17:32] <ereotav> that would also work
[17:32] <UndiFineD> System -> Preferences -> Monitor
[17:33] <ereotav> the highest that shows is 1680x 1050
[17:33] <ereotav> but when i boot windows its 1920
[17:34] <Bolo> Need some help getting my ethernet port to work ASUS netbook 10.4 http://paste.ubuntu.com/556585/
[17:37] <Cheri703> ereotav: there are 3 steps, and they either have to be repeated each time, or changed in a config file somewhere and I was never able to get that working, so I made a script to do it for myself...
[17:38] <Cheri703> (I use it for my external monitor)
[17:38] <ereotav> i actually just found i never installed my nvida driver
[17:38] <ereotav> so im installing it now
[17:38] <ereotav> it should hopefully work
[17:38] <Cheri703> ok
[17:38] <Cheri703> I have a 16:10 monitor that isn't friendly with 10.04
[17:42] <ereotav> while i wait for tht to install i have 1 more question
[17:42] <Bolo> Need some help getting my ethernet port to work ASUS netbook 10.4 http://paste.ubuntu.com/556585/
[17:42] <ereotav> I have a HP dv9000 laptop and when i shut off the onboard keypad the keyboard stops working
[17:47] <Bolo> Can't seem to get my computer Ubuntu 10.4 netbook to recognize my etherport   http://paste.ubuntu.com/556585/
[17:48] <Cheri703> Bolo: someone will answer when they can, posting the same question every 5 minutes is not helpful and is kinda spammy :/
[17:48] <Cheri703> !patience
[17:48] <ubot2> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/
[17:49] <Cheri703> Bolo: ok, I saw a bit of your earlier explanation
[17:49] <Cheri703> do you know the hardware info for your ethernet port?
[17:49] <Bolo> Sorry been here for two days - thought maybe when it roll to the top no one could see it
[17:50] <Cheri703> many people stay signed in, and read back when they return to chat/their computer
[17:50] <Bolo> Obviously I'm a beginner
[17:51] <Cheri703> no worries
[17:51] <Cheri703> just letting you know
[17:51] <Cheri703> what model is your asus netbook?
[17:52] <Bolo> Eee PC 1001-PXD- MU17
[17:53] <Bolo> I thought maybe it could be a new driver problem.  I pretty sure I have the MAC address put in correctly.
[17:53] <Cheri703> where did you put in the mac address?
[17:54] <Bolo> network applet - wired
[17:54] <Cheri703> ahhhh, ok. try creating a new connection and leaving everything automatic, see if that'll connec
[17:54] <Cheri703> t
[17:56] <Bolo> Did you look at the paste 556585  I'm thinking somethings not connecting or recognizing something.  I could be wrong
[17:57] <Cheri703> did you try a new connection? I have NEVER EVER put in my mac address when creating a connection, wired or otherwise. it does all of that on its own
[17:58] <Bolo> OK, I have to disconnect to do it.  The wifi is working great, just the etherport connection
[17:59] <Cheri703> ok, just create a new wired connection and leave everything on auto/default
[18:00] <Bolo> OK, back in a minute - one way or the other
[18:01] <Cheri703> ok
[18:23] <ereotav> i have a question about vitrualbox and xp\zune
[18:23] <Cheri703> Bolo: any luck?
[18:23] <ereotav> I have installed VB and installed xp sp3 on it and am installing the zune software now
[18:23] <zkriesse> !ask | ereotav
[18:23] <ubot2> ereotav: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[18:24] <zkriesse> Ok, so...what's the issue?
[18:24] <zkriesse> ereotav: ^^
[18:24] <ereotav> xp cannot locate my media files on my d:\ drive. how do i make VB xp locate the folder?
[18:25] <Bolo> Cheri703 nope  I added the info on the hardware  http://paste.ubuntu.com/556599/
[18:25] <zkriesse> Hmm
[18:26] <Cheri703> ereotav: you have to set up guest additions and something with sharing the drive
[18:26] <Cheri703> (I use vmware player now)
[18:26] <ereotav> so is that someonthing within VB that i can add and edit?
[18:26] <Bolo> Cheri703 I have the same thing on another netbook and it works perfectly.  Older product ACER
[18:27] <Cheri703> perhaps reinstall network manager?
[18:27] <Cheri703> I searched and didn't find any trend of issues with that hardware
[18:28] <ereotav> Cheri703: Thank you i will try that!
[18:28] <Bolo> If I uninstall network manager - how will I get a wifi connection to reinstall it?
[18:29] <Bolo> Cheri703 - told you I was a nob
[18:31] <Bolo> I found this fix for my hardware http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9449490  but couldn't get it installed
[18:33] <Cheri703> you can just choose "reinstall" go into synaptic and search "network-manager" (at least as far as I know you should be able to, someone correct me if I'm wrong)
[18:47] <Bolo_> Cheri703  the reinstall doesn't work  or at least I don't know how to make it work  can't enter field
[20:25] <compuman> I recently installed ubuntu studio on my GateWay. I've been booting Linux on this machine for about 9 months without any problems. I use truecrypt and the problem I'm having is my truecrypt bootloader can't find where its data is stored. i have a decrypt ISO, but its on the encrypted HDD. My live USB disros boot, but dont have a picture coming through on the screen. i have tried an external screen.
[20:30] <compuman> Help
[20:32] <bioterror> choose correct input from the menu or what ever buttons you have, if you have dvi or vga :)
[20:32] <compuman> doesnt work
[20:36] <compuman> I recently installed ubuntu studio on my GateWay. I've been booting Linux on this machine for about 9 months without any problems. I use truecrypt and the problem I'm having is my truecrypt bootloader can't find where its data is stored. i have a decrypt ISO, but its on the encrypted HDD. My live USB disros boot, but dont have a picture coming through on the screen. i have tried an external screen.
[20:36] <irishman2020> I am looking to get either evolution or thunderbird to access exchange emails, and I'm having a few problems.  Does anyone have any resources that they would recommmend?
[20:37] <compuman> what problems are you having?
[20:43] <sandcat> HI I'm semi-new to ubuntu, I'm trying to install Komodo-edit, using the instructions at http://docs.activestate.com/komodo/4.4/install.html#Installing_Komodo_on_Linux ; but when I type  ./install.sh I get:
[20:43] <sandcat> ./install.sh: 48: ./INSTALLDIR/lib/python/bin/python: not found.
[20:44] <sandcat> I'm not entirely sure what this means, or how to resollve it.
[20:45] <bioterror> it doesnt find your python
[20:46] <sandcat> I can see that python exists in the directory it specifies.
[20:46] <irishman2020> Does anyone know why evolution would not always display the subject/from information in the inbox but show fine in the actual email?
[20:46] <irishman2020> I'm using the OWA addon
[20:49] <MrChrisDruif> If it seems like we're slow to respond, that's because most of us are have a meeting at the moment...
[20:49] <MrChrisDruif> I'll get back when we're finished :)
[20:51] <bioterror> irishman2020, becouse that OWA is, well you can think a negative adjective by yourself
[20:51] <irishman2020> I know that OWA is crap, but I'm trying to figure out why its only on certain items.  If it was all items, ok, but it just seems odd
[20:52] <irishman2020> I tried to see if there was an evolution irc channel, but I've been unsuccessful
[20:53] <irishman2020> brb
[21:16] <ereotav> I cant get VB to recognize my zune
[21:17] <MrChrisDruif> VB ereotav?
[21:17] <ereotav> virtualbox
[21:18] <ereotav> I have the software and everything running fine in virtualbox but i cant seem to get ti to recognize my zune
[21:18] <MrChrisDruif> I was thinking in another direction....
[21:20] <MrChrisDruif> I've heard (haven't got a source) but that doesn't work in vb....or ubuntu...you'd have to dual-boot with Windows...
[21:20] <MrChrisDruif> Or ask someone else :)
[21:20] <ereotav> I have heard it works but thanks anyways
[22:04] <doez> Evening. I've got a problem with my msn-clients. It quite often disconnects me from sending any messages to my partner while leaving no errormessage or anything. I have tried aMSN and Pidgin, they do the same thing. Does anyone have a solution?
[22:05] <MrChrisDruif> Which version of Pidgin?
[22:05] <MrChrisDruif> Older versions got connection problems :)
[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> Probably the same with aMSN
[22:06] <doez> Pidgin version: 2.7.3
[22:07] <MrChrisDruif> Default from repositories?
[22:07] <doez> Yes.
[22:08] <MrChrisDruif> I've got the PPA installed from www.pidgin.im and it's at 2.7.9
[22:08] <MrChrisDruif> No problems with that one :)
[22:08] <doez> I'll upgrade to that and check it out
[22:08] <doez> I wonder if I have GDebi though.
[22:09] <MrChrisDruif> Which Ubuntu?
[22:09] <doez> 10.10
[22:09] <MrChrisDruif> Then it uses Software Center...
[22:09] <doez> It does.
[22:09] <doez> Oh, repositories isnt the same as Software Center?
[22:10] <MrChrisDruif> But you can install Gdebi and by going to the properties of a deb select gdebi as default for deb...
[22:10] <doez> Oh okay.
[22:10] <MrChrisDruif> No, repositories is what the center use to find it's software :)
[22:10] <doez> Sigh. Now nautilus has crashed.
[22:10] <MrChrisDruif> And by adding a ppa you add more repos
[22:11] <doez> Cool
[22:11] <doez> I have to do a reboot. But thanks for your help!
[22:26] <Red-Raven> hey.
[22:26] <MrChrisDruif> Hai red :)
[22:26] <Red-Raven> back to get my server done.
[22:26] <MrChrisDruif> Alright :)
[22:26] <Red-Raven> hey MrAnthrope!
[22:27] <MrChrisDruif> Almost Red-Raven :)
[22:27] <Red-Raven> oh sry.
[22:27] <Red-Raven> too much trust in tab completion.
[22:27] <MrChrisDruif> It's alright, you only pinged someone else :)
[22:27] <Red-Raven> that should be funny.
[22:28] <MrChrisDruif> Before everyone called me ChanServ :P
[22:28] <Red-Raven> oh lol.
[22:28] <Red-Raven> so, now to get my port open.
[22:28] <MrChrisDruif> Only MichealH keeps calling me MrChanServ for some eerie reason <_<"
[22:30] <Red-Raven> AHG! MS just blinded me. i turned on my MS mouse with Blue Light tech or whatever. while the underside was facing me.
[22:30] <MrChrisDruif> Never Thrust MIcrosoft :P
[22:30] <Red-Raven> WHAT!?
[22:30] <Red-Raven> (lol jk) i know what you meant.
[22:33] <Red-Raven> alright so here's what going on. i have SSH in the app section, my custom port # in start and end, Both selected for protocol, and the inet IP of the PC im using as a server under IP. yet a port checking website still says it's blocked.
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> I know zilch from SSH :)
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[22:34] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Have you tried just connecting to your IP?
[22:34] <Red-Raven> from a client?
[22:34] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Yes
[22:34] <Red-Raven> aveilleux,  nope.
[22:34] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Get your IP from http://whatismyip.com/
[22:34] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Then just ssh -p <port> <user>@<ip_address>
[22:35] <MrChrisDruif> -p?
[22:35] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: Custom ports in SSH require the -p flag
[22:35] <Red-Raven> ok. but that ip is not the IP of the server.
[22:35] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: It is for a remote user.
[22:36] <MrChrisDruif> But what does it stand for aveilleux?
[22:36] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: ....port?
[22:36] <MrChrisDruif> Alright...just checking/learning :)
[22:36] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Wait, the inet IP? No you want the local IP
[22:36] <Red-Raven> oh. thx!
[22:37] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Oh wait no, "inet" = "internal network"
[22:37] <Red-Raven> so do use inet?
[22:38] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Yes, sorry
[22:39] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: ifconfig |grep Bcast |grep inet\ addr:
[22:39] <Red-Raven> sok. so the IP whatsmyip.com gave me is the same on both my laptop and desktop. why? what is that IP for?
[22:39] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: The highlighted IP is the one you want
[22:39] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: It's the IP address of your router.
[22:39] <Red-Raven> oh ok.
[22:39] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Both of those computers connect to the router, THEN the Internet.
[22:40] <Red-Raven> ik. so i don't need to point my client to the servers IP? just the rueter which will then point it to my server via the forwarded port?
[22:40] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Yes, that's the point of part forwarding.
[22:41] <Red-Raven> ok got it.
[22:41] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: s/part/port
[22:41] <Red-Raven> whats that for?
[22:41] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: What's what for?
[22:42] <Red-Raven> s/part/port?
[22:42] <MrChrisDruif> Ba-bye guys :)
[22:42] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: It's called a "regular expression". s/this/that means "replace 'this' with 'that'"
[22:42] <Red-Raven> and do i need to run it?
[22:43] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: N-no, I was correcting myself
[22:43] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: It's not a command
[22:43] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: In my sentence above:
 Red-Raven: Yes, that's the point of part forwarding.
[22:43] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Replace "part" with "port"
[22:43] <Red-Raven> ohhhhhh ok sorry.
[22:43] <Red-Raven> i get it now.
[22:44] <Red-Raven> yah that didn't make much sense as a command.
[22:45] <Red-Raven> BRB. got to boot into Ubuntu so i can connect. im sure you can in windows to but i'd rather start with ubuntu. thx!
[22:49] <Red-Raven> hey.
[22:50] <Red-Raven> can you give me the command again that connects me to the server?
[23:05] <nit-wit> Red-Raven, you want the freenode sever?
[23:06] <nit-wit> *server
[23:39] <Red-Raven> can someone please give me the command someone posted earlier to connect a client to a server/
[23:39] <Red-Raven> ?*
[23:42] <holstein> Red-Raven: 17:35 <+aveilleux> Red-Raven: Then just ssh -p <port> <user>@<ip_address>
[23:46] <Red-Raven> thx!
[23:48] <Red-Raven> syntax error near unexpected token: 22. fudge.
[23:56] <Red-Raven> ugh! its still blocked by something!
[23:58] <Red-Raven> wtf. now a port checker is telling me that port 80 is closed. which it cant be.


[10:58] <Cimi> internet is terrible for me today, don't ask me why
[10:58] <Cimi> can barely chat
[11:23] <Cimi> mzanetti, Saviq can you guys read my messages?
[11:23] <Cimi> experiencing terrible networking
[11:32] <Cimi> dednick, you read me?
[11:44] <Saviq> Cimi, yes we can
[11:45] <Cimi> Saviq, good.. although I cannot brosw the web :-\ or it's very slow/floppy
[11:45] <Cimi> Saviq, do we still need to test the side stage?
[11:45] <Saviq> Cimi, it's in Christmas mode ;)
[11:45] <Saviq> Cimi, nope, we're done for now
[11:46] <Saviq> Cimi, back to it in the new year
[11:46] <Cimi> Saviq, give me a bug then :)
[11:46] <Saviq> Cimi, don't you have like an email backlog to cater to? ;)
[11:46] <Cimi> ok
[11:46] <Cimi> I cannot brosw launchpad
[11:47] <Saviq> Cimi, right
[11:48] <Cimi> Saviq, I think I fixed bugs assigned to me
[11:48] <Cimi> Saviq, or triaged the one I cannot fix now due to ubuntushape
[11:49] <Cimi> ah got your mail f the shader
[11:49] <Cimi> Saviq, for the rating stars, I guess we need to chat with the sdk guys, no?
[11:49] <Saviq> Cimi, yup
[11:59] <dednick> Cimi: I'm guessing that means you can't review either ;)
[13:10] <Saviq> dednick, re: your reply for dee - fun fact about lambdas
[13:10] <Saviq> dednick, they're orphans, so using a lambda as a slot in Qt may lead to crashes, as they're not disconnected when their parent object is destroyed
[13:11] <Saviq> dednick, so any lambda as a slot that actually touches objects should be looked at with caution
[13:12] <Saviq> i.e. https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/unity-mir/fix-shutdown-crash/+merge/196677
[13:15] <dednick> Saviq: it's not a qt object. g_signal_connect.
[13:16] <dednick> Saviq: but thanks for the info!
[13:17] <dednick> and the lambda I use for the event is not inside a connection
[13:17] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, I know it's different
[13:18] <Saviq> dednick, just putting a warning out there :)
[13:19] <dednick> Saviq: thanks :)
[13:19] <greyback> and now it's time for Gerry's fun facts about llamas! http://www.interestingfunfacts.com/facts-about-llama.html
[13:19] <dednick> Saviq: i've probably done it before :/
[13:19] <Saviq> greyback, hooked up on eggnog early?
[13:20] <dednick> lol
[13:20] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, worst thing is it's tempting :)
[13:20] <greyback> Saviq: not a chance. (a) eggnog purely american thing; (b) it was a rough weekend
[13:20] <dednick> Llama’s manure is almost odourless. Good to know
[13:20] <Saviq> lol
[13:20] <greyback> and they're fireproof!
[13:21] <Saviq> is a llama-wool sweater fireproof, too?
[13:22] <dednick> It said "the fibres of llamas are fireproof".  i wonder if it includes muscle-fibres? ...
[13:22] <dednick> mmm... llamba
[13:22] <dednick> *llama
[13:23] <dednick> they look tasty
[13:24]  * Saviq sees a business opportunity - Christmas sweaters for firefighters!
[13:24] <Saviq> note to self: don't disclose business opportunities on public IRC...
[13:24] <dednick> lol
[14:16] <Cimi> dednick, seems a bit internet now
[14:16] <Cimi> dednick, shoot :)
[14:17] <dednick> Cimi: nevermind :) found out the code wasn't needed anymore
[14:17] <dednick> Saviq: we having standup today?
[14:17] <Saviq> dednick, yeah
[14:17] <Saviq> dednick, it's gonna be short, and we can just wish each other Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and be on our ways :)
[14:17] <dednick> :) ok
[14:30] <dednick> Here's a nice review for someone :) https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/indicator-page-factory-tests/+merge/198785
[14:31] <dednick> tests!
[14:31] <Cimi> dednick, I can do it
[14:35] <dednick> Cimi: thanks


[07:25] <dholbach> good morning
[19:04] <UbuPhillup> thanks jose
[19:04] <jose> :)
[19:04] <jose> UbuPhillup: hope to see you around!
[19:05] <UbuPhillup> ;)


[15:18] <Guest40> Hi all.  Thanks for your work/maintenance of mirrors.
[15:20] <Guest40> When downloading ubuntu desktop, sometimes the url, "https://mirrors.syringanetworks.net/ubuntu-releases/20.04.3/ubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso" comes up as the download link.  This mirror has an expired certificate so perhaps someone reaching out to the mirror owner would be beneficial :)
[16:36] <barryprice> thanks for pointing that out, I've removed the HTTPS entry from their record for now and left a note for the admin


[08:40] <murrayc> I'm getting this error today when using dput to upload to a PPA: Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature
[08:40] <murrayc> This says I should say so here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/798957/comments/24
[08:40] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 798957 in Launchpad itself "PPA Uploads are seemingly (but not actually) rejected" [Critical,In progress]
[13:52] <wolfgangb__> mgz: Hello. Did you find any more information regarding our connection error and us being blacklisted?
[13:54] <rick_h> wolfgangb__: the logs and an emai lon it was passed around yesterday. I've not seen any replies yet.
[13:55] <wolfgangb__> rick_h: Would it be possible to unblock us again or do you want to wait until you find out more about it?
[13:55] <rick_h> wolfgangb__: yea, we really need an answer before unblocking because it brings the server down to its knees for everyone unfortunately
[13:55] <mgz> wolfgangb__: it looks like if christian uninstalls/disabled tortoisebzr, it should avoid the worst issue
[13:56] <mgz> what exactly is causing the problem I'm not sure
[13:56] <wolfgangb__> we can do that
[13:56] <mgz> but the little service tbzrcache that runs in the background is for some reason in that log spamming ssh connections
[13:56] <wolfgangb__> do you not recommend use of tortoisebzr?
[13:57] <mgz> nope, using it should be fine, but in this case something has gone wrong
[13:57] <mgz> it's also trying to start up twice, or there are two versions installed or something along those lines
[13:58] <mgz> anyway, it's pretty clear from the log if something is going wrong or not, so christan should be able to change some things and see which prevents the issue occuring
[13:59] <wolfgangb__> should we just run the bzr installer again and untick Tortoisebzr during the installation? Would that do the job?
[13:59] <mgz> I'd check for any existing installs and remove them first
[13:59] <mgz> then try that
[14:00] <wolfgangb__> I'll make sure that we don't use tortoisebzr here for now and see if that prevents it from happening again
[14:00] <mgz> there's no evidence of that issue from your log
[14:00] <mgz> so it may be something specific to his machine
[14:00] <mgz> the problem is I'm only seeing the effect, not the cause, and it's not like any issues that have been reported before
[14:01] <mgz> if he wants to use tortoisebzr, doing a clean install, and checking the log to see if that does indeed resolve the issue would be fine
[14:05] <wolfgangb__> if you could unblock us that would be brilliant unless you want to do some more checks
[14:06] <rick_h> wolfgangb__: ok, I'll see about getting that IP removed.
[14:07] <rick_h> please make sure they update the software asap.
[14:07] <wolfgangb__> thanks, we'll try do it this afternoon
[14:15] <rick_h> wolfgangb__: the block has been dropped, please make sure that the changes are done before you guys get going today
[14:16] <wolfgangb__> rich_h: thanks a lot. Christian is already about to uninstall tortoisebzr.
[15:20] <wolfgangb__> rick_h, mgz: ok, we have uninstalled tortoisebzr for now. So if it happens again (hopefully not) it must be something else. But there is a good chance that this was the problem.
[15:20] <rick_h> wolfgangb__: ok, thanks. good luck!
[15:52] <popey> I just filed a bug in launchpad against ubuntu-website and launchpad threw me to a 'not allowed here' page after I submitted the bug
[15:52] <popey> any ideas why?
[15:53] <rick_h> not sure popey, looking. Did the bug get submitted?
[15:54] <popey> dunno, i cant see it
[15:54] <popey> 'Unity website points to old #ayatana channel'
[15:54] <popey> thats the subject
[15:54] <popey> maybe it submitted it as a private bug I can't see
[15:54] <popey> I tried logging out and back in again, no difference
[15:54] <rick_h> yea, looks like it didn't go that I can see
[15:55] <popey> shall I file a bug against launchpad?
[15:55] <popey> (lol btw)
[15:55] <rick_h> hmm, it doesn't do private bugs by default, yea I guess a bug against LP would be ok
[15:57] <popey> bug 922160
[15:57] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 922160 in Launchpad itself "Get 'not allowed' when filing a bug against ubuntu-website" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922160
[15:57] <bigjools> there should be an OOPS with that?
[15:57] <rick_h> popey: thanks
[15:57] <popey> nope, no oops
[15:57] <popey> just a 'not allowed'
[15:57] <bigjools> fun
[16:01] <deryck> rick_h, my turn.
[16:02] <rick_h> deryck: ty much
[16:03] <popey> just asked someone else and they confirmed it rick_h / bigjools
[16:04]  * popey hugs Daviey
[16:04] <rick_h> popey: thanks
[20:37] <lamalex> is there a way to build a binary package from a recipe locally?
[20:42] <lifeless> bzr builder
[20:45] <lifeless> popey: did you get an OOPS ?
[20:46] <popey> no
[20:47] <lifeless> thanks
[20:52] <ajf_> InvalidHttpResponse: Invalid http response for https://xmlrpc.launchpad.net/bazaar/: Unable to handle http code 502: Bad Gateway
[20:53] <lamalex> lifeless, i tried bzr dailydeb but it doesn't seem to actually build me an installable deb
[20:54] <ajf_> ^ got the above error, trying to build the source package in my projects PPA. looks like a problem between the build host and xmlrpc.launchpad.net.
[21:04] <ajf_> looks like it was just intermittent.  nevermind.
[21:13] <lifeless> ajf_: You were probably caught by a deploy
[21:13] <lifeless> its not -entirely- friction free yet
[21:13] <lifeless> ajf_: do you know when (in UTC) the error happened ?
[21:15] <lamalex> lifeless, ok so here's the thing- im building from a branch so i  have no orig.tar.gz, and it needs --allow-fallback-to-native but that makes it build a source package
[21:16] <ajf_> between 20:48 and 20:51 UTC
[21:28] <lifeless> ok, not a deployment.
[21:28] <lifeless> I'll file a bug to start tracking sporadic issues
[21:28] <lifeless> they can be a PITA to debug though
[21:32] <ajf_> yeah :) here's the whole build log, though I can't see anything more useful than that line I pasted: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/91148765/buildlog.txt.gz
[21:34] <lifeless> bug 922316 FTR
[21:34] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 922316 in Launchpad itself "Sporadic 502 for xmlrpc.launchpad.net" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922316
[21:35] <ajf_> great, thanks for looking at it.


[03:08] <darkmatter> nothlit, ok... I need your opinion on the mockup for the text entries (first mockup for glory, yay!). not that it was done really quick, so the contrast of light/shadow is off, but its approximate enough to get the general idea
[03:08] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/520599323/
[11:02] <darkmatter> hiya klepas
[11:09] <darkmatter> klepas, just a mockup, but working on/improving the actual pixmaps for the text-entries in roughly this style  http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=520599323&size=o
[11:09] <darkmatter> whatcha think?
[11:12] <kwwii> darkmatter: looks nice (although you didn't ask me)
[11:13] <klepas> beats the current one :)
[11:13] <klepas> i'm still using MorningGlory
[11:13] <kwwii> darkmatter: I assume you
[11:13] <klepas> (when is that release coming?)
[11:13] <kwwii> erm....I assume that you will put this in Gutsy?
[11:15] <klepas> i hope so :)
[11:15] <darkmatter> hopefully
[11:15] <darkmatter> working on it
[11:15] <klepas> darkmatter: in one of your screenshots i see a gnome menu in the middle of the screen (as if it were a xfce menu)
[11:15] <klepas> how did you do that?
[11:16] <klepas> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=502007263&size=o
[11:16] <darkmatter> klepas, kwwii just trying to squash a few bugs atm... the majorityof the theme should be done by next week.. as in usable but not finl as far as tweaks go
[11:17] <darkmatter> klepas, ctrl+F1
[11:18] <klepas> doesn't work for me?
[11:18] <klepas> maybe because of beryl?
[11:19] <kwwii> darkmatter: killer, let me know if you need any help with packaging, etc.
[11:19] <darkmatter> maybe.. check the beryl setting
[11:19] <darkmatter> in the default gnome and in compiz ctrl+f1 pops up the main menu
[11:19] <darkmatter> kwwii, nice
[11:20] <darkmatter> I'll keep you at the top of the list :)
[11:20] <kwwii> ;-)
[11:21] <darkmatter> kwwii, I think once I up the contrast on the shadows a bit the text-entries should be killer
[11:22] <darkmatter> then I can extend the "ouline this!!" motif across the rest of the shadows n widgets in general
[11:22] <darkmatter> feels more natural, lends a bit of dimension where before things seemed flat
[11:23] <darkmatter> plus its a little bit closer to photorealistic (and if I wasnt stuck drawing with a boulder it would be photorealistic)
[11:23] <darkmatter> damn mouse
[11:23] <kwwii> darkmatter: yeah, the line could be a bit darker probably at least
[11:26] <darkmatter> kwwii, of course its just a mockup (I claned it up... the damn pixmap engine repeats the shadows (since entries like that are actually two entries)
[11:26] <darkmatter> so just gimped the bugger
[11:26] <kwwii> ;-)
[11:26] <darkmatter> to see what it'd look like one it goes to code
[11:26] <darkmatter> roughly
[11:26] <kwwii> that is the best way to start, especially with pixmap based stuff
[11:26] <darkmatter> yup
[11:28] <darkmatter> kwwii, basically, once the general feel is ironed out (almost there), I want to put it in engine form with all the bells n whistles.. full custom widget support for the panels (including bg gradients, etc).. and subtle yet lovely animations throughout
[11:29] <kwwii> sounds sweet
[11:29] <darkmatter> like.. say a pulsating glowy line inside the text entry for focus... just an underline of the text
[11:29] <darkmatter> stuff like that
[11:29] <darkmatter> glow on the buttons
[11:29] <kwwii> although I am pretty busy with artwork atm, please don't hesitate to ask for anything
[11:30] <darkmatter> nothing to dramatic
[11:30] <kwwii> how are those done?
[11:30] <darkmatter> kk
[11:30] <kwwii> the animations, I mean
[11:30] <kwwii> are they hard coded or a series of bitmaps or a transition from one bitmap to another?
[11:30] <darkmatter> kwwii, I'll need to look at the code again.. kinda studying another engine that does them
[11:31] <kwwii> cool
[11:31] <darkmatter> but I know with most its just a stepped translucency (not pixmap... just shade
[11:32] <darkmatter> though I may use a pixmap or two in engine once I get a good start on the code
[11:33] <kwwii> right
[11:33] <kwwii> have you ever coded anything like this before?
[11:34] <kwwii> my first widget-theme was in gtk but that was about 8 years ago
[11:34] <darkmatter> not in a while, and not gtk or cairo.. I mean.. I've worked with gtk.. just not engines
[11:35] <kwwii> right, same as me - only I haven't done it in a long time :-)
[11:35] <darkmatter> cairo is a must because of all the pretty drawing code
[11:35] <kwwii> yeah, when we worked on clearLooks I realized how nifty it is
[11:36] <darkmatter> I can play around with general api and ui drawing well enough.. but an engine is a bit different
[11:36] <kwwii> have you made a wiki page for this yet?
[11:36] <darkmatter> meh.. it'll come in time
[11:37] <kwwii> yeah, might be better to wait until you have something in hand
[11:37] <darkmatter> nope.. just a bzr branch.. but hasnt been updated since I formatted and installed feisty
[11:37] <kwwii> I'm hoping that we can get a few community based themes and such in Gutsy
[11:37] <kwwii> in fact, I was kinda told by the boss to make sure it happens ;-)
[11:37] <darkmatter> I just want to finish the basics of this thing for next week, then I can start a wiki page
[11:38] <kwwii> right, making a wiki page too early will only lead to confusing discussion
[11:40] <darkmatter> the idea is to really define a set of style guidelines.. basically redefine the ui themewise (nothing solid exists in that area yet). reduce visual cacophony to a minimum (one reason I'm not partial to clearlooks etc are the bold oulines, you want widgets distinct.. but not distracting)
[11:41] <darkmatter> also would *love* to push a real move for consistency in gnome
[11:41] <kwwii> I think that the bold outlines just make it look old and it leads the eye too much
[11:41] <darkmatter> ala the way widgets are used
[11:41] <kwwii> hehe, good luck on that
[11:41] <kwwii> beleive me that kde has the same problems
[11:42] <kwwii> it seems that oss developers love to use widgets in ways they were never intended
[11:42] <darkmatter> kwwii, I said I'd *love* too.. never said there was a chance in hell it'd fly though
[11:42] <darkmatter> kwwii, yup
[11:42] <kwwii> ;-)
[11:44] <darkmatter> look at things like nautilus even... for all its "HIGiness", ots still crap... graphically inconsistent.. I mean.. at least use frames around the bloody sidepane/main if ya get the picture
[11:45] <darkmatter> just such small little tweaks/patches
[11:45] <darkmatter> but thing that users notice from the get-go
[11:45] <kwwii> definitely
[11:46] <andreasn> darkmatter: ah, like in thunar?
[11:46] <darkmatter> andreasn, yeah.. kinda
[11:47] <darkmatter> make the window non-flat
[11:47] <andreasn> thunars widgets look great
[11:47] <darkmatter> helps distinguish things visually
[11:47] <andreasn> should be pretty easy to fix probably, nautilus use glade, right?
[11:48] <darkmatter> I believe so
[11:48] <darkmatter> havent looked at the beasts code
[11:49] <darkmatter> kwwii, another crazyassed dream is to get devs to actually document the custom widgets n classes etc that an app uses
[11:50] <darkmatter> like that'll ever happen... -_-
[11:50] <kwwii> lol, good luck
[11:50] <darkmatter> thats what really makes theming a pita
[11:51] <darkmatter> its pretty much a matter of experimenting till something finally works
[11:52] <kwwii> yeah, that has been my experience
[11:52] <darkmatter> I have a 3000ish line gtkrc template already.. and it grows bigger every day
[11:52] <darkmatter> scary
[11:52] <kwwii> the hardest thing is accepting that you are limited by all this stuff - makes the artwork side of it no-fun at all
[11:53] <darkmatter> yah
[11:54] <kwwii> well, time for lunch....bbl
[11:55] <darkmatter> kwwii, like how I would love to do a seperate skin for the nautilus pathbar with breadcrumb style buttons... problem is.. though you can custom apply a skin to it.. it goes on the main toolbar too
[11:55] <darkmatter> bummer
[11:55] <kwwii> ouch, yeah...that sucks
[11:56] <darkmatter> it would de-fatten nautilus nicely
[11:56] <darkmatter> anyway... go get yer lunch
[11:57] <kwwii> thanks :-) see you in a bit


[05:08] <didrocks> good morning
[05:12] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[05:16] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:18] <jibel> hi all
[06:23] <didrocks> salut jibel
[06:25] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:25] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, jibel
[06:26] <duflu> Hi jibel and oSoMoN
[06:31] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[06:32] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:36] <Wimpress> o/
[07:36] <duflu>       \o
[07:36] <jamesh> Wimpress: had fun in Montreal?
[07:37] <Wimpress> Yep, was the most successful Snapcraft Summit so far.
[07:37] <Wimpress> I'll be sending a summary out later.
[07:37] <jamesh> It's lucky they didn't send you there during the winter :-)
[07:38] <Wimpress> Used to work in Montreal quite a bit. I am familiar with the winter climate there ❄🙂
[07:39] <didrocks> hey Wimpress, jamesh
[08:02] <Trevinho> morning guys!
[08:03] <didrocks> hey Trevinho
[08:03] <duflu> Hello euro-Trevinho
[08:04] <duflu> 🇪🇺
[08:04] <Trevinho> duflu and didrocks: hey :-)
[08:04] <Trevinho> lovely flag
[08:08] <marcustomlinson> morning all. Happy Fathers day to all the dads
[08:09] <marcustomlinson> or happy belated fathers day rather
[08:09] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson ;)
[08:14] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[08:14] <willcooke> morning all
[08:18] <seb128> hey there, good morning desktopers :-)
[08:18] <didrocks> hey willcooke seb128, good week-end?
[08:18] <willcooke> hi seb128, hi didrocks.
[08:19] <seb128> lut didrocks, ouais, nickel, et toi ?
[08:19] <duflu> Morning willcooke and seb128
[08:19] <seb128> spent the week/w.e in France, we drove back yesterday
[08:19] <willcooke> didrocks, not too bad.  Kids party yesterday, always fun.  How about you?
[08:19] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[08:19] <didrocks> plus court, mais bien :)
[08:20] <seb128> the kid didn't sleep at first in the car but decided that 6pm was a good nap time, then didn't sleep enough, was angry but didn't want to go to bed in the evening and wouldn't want to get out of bed this morning!
[08:20] <seb128> hey duflu willcooke
[08:21] <seb128> thanks to whoever synced pygtk for me, it was stil not published on wednesday evening
[08:21] <seb128> I guess L_aney :)
[08:22] <marcustomlinson> morning didrocks duflu willcooke seb128
[08:23] <willcooke> hi marcustomlinson
[08:23] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson
[08:32] <Trevinho> hi seb128!
[08:33] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you! back to european tz? ;)
[08:33] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I'm in the sun sprint place so, here I can enjoy mornings more :)
[08:34] <seb128> ah, nice!
[08:34] <seb128> enjoy!
[08:42] <Trevinho> seb128: ah maybe you can review https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-shell/merge_requests/23/
[08:43] <seb128> Trevinho, k, I'm adding to my todolist :-)
[09:01] <oSoMoN> marcustomlinson, well done on the SRU for bug #1798074
[09:01] <marcustomlinson> thanks :)
[09:02] <marcustomlinson> vorlon sent the bionic one to the back of the queue though unfortunately as libreoffice-l10n was built with the wrong -v option apparently
[09:03] <marcustomlinson> Not a biggy, he fixed it, but yeah, will have to make it's way through the queue again
[09:14] <jamesh> On a scale of 1 to 10, how crazy would it be to try and move Xenial over to having the D-Bus session bus started by systemd?
[09:36] <didrocks> seb128: any chance of looking at grubzfs-testsuite? I have a new upload ready (but would prefer to have that separated) now that zfs-linux and our grub changes are entering the distro
[09:36] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, it's on my list for today, I didn't get to it previous week since I was off thursday/friday, sorry for the delay
[09:37] <didrocks> np
[09:55] <lis> Laney: hey :)   lemme know if/how i can help validate the SRU
[09:55] <lis> seb128, didrocks, Trevinho: hi hi :)
[09:56] <didrocks> hey lis ;)
[09:56] <willcooke> jamesh, sounds like a L_aney question.  He's back tomorrow
[09:57] <seb128> hey lis! L_aney is off today
[09:57] <jamesh> willcooke: I hope the answer is "that's a batshit crazy idea that we'll never do"
[09:57] <lis> good to know :)
[09:57] <seb128> lis, but SRU verifications are easy, it's basically "install the package, follow the testcase, comment/tag the bug"
[09:57] <willcooke> jamesh, I think you're probably on the money there
[09:57] <lis> seb128: dunno where to find the package lol
[09:58] <seb128> lis, https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html has the pointers to uploads/bugs
[09:58] <seb128> willcooke, jamesh, I would stay away from doing such changes to xenial
[09:58] <lis> seb128: ya.  that's where i looked, but the glib sru mentioned in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1832457 doesn't seem to be there
[09:58] <seb128> I don't like the idea to do complex changes there, it's risky and probably not the best serie to spend efforts on
[09:59] <seb128> lis, ah, that's because it hasn't been reviewed/approved by the SRU team yet, they will comment on the bug when that happens
[09:59] <seb128> it's still in the review queue
[09:59] <lis> lovely.  i'll take a break, then :)
[09:59] <jamesh> seb128: this is the context: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/a-user-session-agent-for-snapd/11426/7
[09:59]  * lis never understood this packaging stuff, even when she was working here
[10:01] <seb128> jamesh, right, I wonder if xenial has much desktop snaps users
[10:01] <seb128> well, I would stay away from a such changes
[10:02] <seb128> we every now and then get reports from xenial users who install dbus-user-session and get e.g their gnome-keyring screwed
[10:02] <seb128> so for sure it would require work
[10:03] <jamesh> seb128: I implemented something that works on Xenial without any workarounds.  What they're asking for would require the changes to how the session bus is launched.
[10:03] <seb128> bug #1689825
[10:03] <seb128> jamesh, tell them it's a not go and they should take your other solution :)
[13:10] <didrocks> seb128: FYI, I forgot in 0.2 to update with the vendor directory content in debian/copyright. Here is the commit with the update: https://github.com/ubuntu/grubzfs-testsuite/commit/cea44e576e114fc7415a0959971d1079fa2e583c. I want to include it in 0.3 (updating once grub2 is in release pocket), so the upload should be quickly after 0.2 in grubzfs-testsuite.
[15:10] <seb128> didrocks, k
[17:18] <willcooke> g'night all
[20:03] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: your latest changes to snap-store actually failed to build
[20:03] <kenvandine> meson.build:1:0: ERROR:  Meson version is 0.47.0 but project requires >=0.50.0.
[20:03] <kenvandine> from https://launchpadlibrarian.net/428871714/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_bionic_amd64_snap-store_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:04]  * kenvandine fixes
[20:36] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: fixed
[20:37] <kenvandine> the libxmlb submodule had bumped the meson version
[21:04] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, ah, thanks.
[21:05] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, does the meson plugin pull in different build packages?
[21:06] <kenvandine> It doesn't use the packaged version if you specify the version
[21:06] <kenvandine> otherwise it will get the meson package from bionic
[21:06] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, nice that it does the work for you - In some snaps I've been working on I thought I'd have to rely on older versions.
[21:07] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, are you still going to pull out the headers and .pc files? I couldn't work out the snapcraft magic to do tht.
[21:08] <kenvandine> i did that already
[21:08] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, oh, what was the commit?
[21:09] <kenvandine> 640771e4d0171a8caffaed6d59593f3223c2eab1
[21:09] <robert_ancell> ta
[22:21] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, is the candidate snap-store failing to launch for you?
[22:22] <kenvandine> It was working fine for me an hour ago
[22:23] <kenvandine> Not at a computer now though
[22:28] <robert_ancell> oh, it was trying to contact an already running version.
[22:29] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, that was evince that was triggering the permission issues right? It's not showing here (snap-store candidate, stable evince)
[22:31] <kenvandine> It was evince


[04:48] <netrat> hello i'm installing ubuntu 7.04 server and i'd like for the boot partition to be RAID 1. is this possible with the installer?
[04:48] <sahafeez> yes
[04:48] <sahafeez> there are docs for it that i have read in the past
[04:48] <netrat> sahafeez: would you happen to have any links?
[04:49] <sahafeez> google.com
[04:49] <sahafeez> or ubuntu.org
[04:49] <netrat> sahafeez: okay i'll search away
[04:49] <netrat> thanks
[04:49] <sahafeez> Results 1 - 10 of about 232,000 for ubuntu install to raid1
[04:50] <sahafeez> http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html
[04:50] <netrat> sweet, going to try it now
[09:26] <ivoks> 'morning
[09:36] <gejr> I'm trying to add a user to my apache conf. I'd like something like http://myserver/~username/
[09:37] <gejr> what should i search up?
[09:57] <ivoks> mkdir ~/public_html
[09:57] <ivoks> and add your page in it
[09:57] <ivoks> there is nothing you should do except that
[09:58] <gejr> i already have my documentroot at /var/www
[09:59] <gejr> and it would've been nicer to have something like ~/username/public_html
[10:03] <shawarma> Um.. What? :)
[10:04] <gejr> yea i know..i'm useless
[10:04] <shawarma> for user foo, you want to use /home/foo/foo/public_html ?
[10:04] <gejr> oh yea...my mistake
[10:04] <gejr> /home/foo/public_html of course
[10:04] <shawarma> That's the default already.
[10:05] <gejr> i managed now
[10:05] <shawarma> ah, ok. :)
[10:05] <gejr> i had to enable the userdir module
[10:05] <gejr> now www.server.com/~user/ works fine
[10:05] <gejr> wonder if the php will work too
[10:05] <necrite> hi
[10:05] <shawarma> If it does in /var/ww then probably.
[10:05] <shawarma> necrite: hello
[10:06] <necrite> there is any wat to limit the bandwith to one rsync over ssh?
[10:06] <gejr> yea it worked. nice.
[10:06] <shawarma> necrite: --bwlimit=25
[10:06] <gejr> Now..how can i setup an alias so that www.server.com/~user/ could just become www.server.com/user/ ? is it possible?
[10:06] <shawarma> necrite: limits it to 25 kbytes/sec.
[10:06] <necrite> sure? OMG too easy ^^
[10:08] <shawarma> gejr: Hmm..
[10:09] <shawarma> gejr: The quick'n'dirty way would be to create symlinks from the webroot to the user's public_html dir, but that doesn't scale very well.
[10:11] <gejr> hehe..that would probably show up as ~user anyway
[10:11] <gejr> but..yea, decent suggestion
[10:11] <shawarma> Um.. no.
[10:11] <shawarma> Well, yes, *also*.
[10:12] <gejr> it would just redirect /user/ to /~user/ wouldn't it? hence the url in the address bar would probably change
[10:12] <shawarma> If you webroot is /var/www/company.com, you can make a symlink /var/www/company.com/foo pointing to /home/foo/public_html.
[10:12] <shawarma> that would expose that directory both as company.com/~foo and company.com/foo
[10:12] <shawarma> gejr: No, symlinks dont' cause redirects.
[10:12] <gejr> and it wouldn't behave like i just described? Then it would probably be perfect..:)
[10:12] <gejr> great
[01:02] <[miles] > weird, I've suddenly lost the ability to hit tab and auto complete commands in console
[01:02] <[miles] > :-\
[01:25] <r00tintheb0x> anyone awake yet?
[01:26] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: It's 13:26. What do you expect? :)
[01:26] <r00tintheb0x> ha, its ACTUALLY 6:26am.
[01:27] <shawarma> Not in the real world. :/
[01:28] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: Were you just checking up on us, or did you have a question? :)
[01:29] <r00tintheb0x> question... anyone have experience with NFS / NIS / SAMBA / WINBIND / Windows 2k3 AD?
[01:29] <shawarma> although a question, it's not a very good one. :)
[01:29] <shawarma> Assume "yes" and then ask the real question :)
[01:31] <r00tintheb0x> haha
[01:32] <r00tintheb0x> Ok, im trying to make a NIS/NFS/Samba server.. im trying to have NIS tied to the windows active directory.
[01:32] <r00tintheb0x> when i use the winbind tool wbinfo i can "wbinfo -u" from the NIS server and pull  back a group of users.
[01:32] <r00tintheb0x> NIS is working, as is NFS... but i cant connect to a samba share from a win client
[02:00] <J_P> hi all
[02:47] <mralphabet> r00tintheb0x_: I'm going to say that your samba user list doesn't match the AD user list and/or permissions on your shares aren't correct
[03:40] <aeon17x> Is it possible to install ubuntu server using the desktop Feisty CD? Or do I have to use the Ubuntu Server installer to have it all installed and configured correctly?
[03:43] <shawarma> aeon17x: The server install is just like a regular installation with much less packages installed and a different kernel. That's it.
[03:49] <r00tintheb0x> Does anyone in here have any experience with Samba, Winbind, and Windows Active Directory and using it so that a NIS server can authenticate from the Windows AD server??
[04:01] <disposable> on feisty-server, i followed help.ubuntu.com and tried to set up apache2 with SSL. when i finally restarted apache, i got SSLOptions: Illegal option 'CompatEnvVars'. i googled around but no answers, just questions. any help? my /etc/apache2/sites-available/default is at http://pastebin.ca/539769
[04:03] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: Are you sure that's even possible?
[04:03] <shawarma> disposable: Have you tried removing it?
[04:05] <disposable> shawarma, i'm not sure what it'd do. i dont want to break compatibility with browsers
[04:06] <shawarma> disposable: Just remove it. It should be safe.
[04:08] <disposable> shawarma, it works, i'm going to try it from all possible browsers now. tnx
[04:08] <shawarma> disposable: np
[04:40] <r00tintheb0x> I believe it is shawarma
[04:41] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: Possibly. It'd have to involve some serious tweaking though.
[04:42] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: NIS provides a means for distributing the password files (well, not the files as such, but you get the idea).. It doesn't actually do the authentication itself, so I can't really see how it'd pass on the authentication stuff to anything else..
[04:45] <r00tintheb0x> i know... it binds to the Windows Domain controller or the LDAP server.
[04:46] <r00tintheb0x> shawarma, http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/winbind.html
[04:50] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: Just taking a quick peek at that page seems to only compare winbind to NIS, not say anything about them working together in the way you suggest.
[04:51] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[04:52] <r00tintheb0x> shawarma, this is a better example: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/395
[04:54] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: How is that better?
[04:54] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: the only place it mentions NIS is in parentheses saying that what it's doing is unlike NIS/NIS+.
[04:54] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: I think you need to restate your problem/question.
[04:54] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: In its current form, I suspect it cannot be answered.
[04:55] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: Especially, if you find that any of the above links are a stab at an answer for your question, you have not conveyed said question very well here. :)
[04:56] <r00tintheb0x> okay.
[04:56] <r00tintheb0x> Thanks!
[04:56] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: the way I understand your question: You want a NIS server to do certain things so that its NIS clients somehow authenticate against a windows AD.
[04:57] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: If that is indeed your question, my answer remains "I don't think that's possible".
[04:57] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: If you kick NIS out the window and replace it with winbind, that's an entirely different issue, problem and question.
[04:58] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: Interestingly, a question that is in fact answered by the two links you posted above.
[04:58] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: (or so it would seem. I didn't look that closely)
[04:59] <r00tintheb0x> windows ad/dc-------------------------->NIS server-------------------------------->NIS clients
[05:01] <r00tintheb0x> shawarma, the 1st paragraph of this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/340 page explains exactly what i want to do.
[05:01] <r00tintheb0x> This article will show you how to install Samba 3.X on Debian Linux 3.1 (Sarge) and make it authenticate against a Windows server running Active Directory.
[05:05] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: You will notice that said paragraph does not mention nis, but your drawing includes a NIS server. ?
[05:06] <r00tintheb0x> OOOOH i see what you're saying
[05:06] <r00tintheb0x> NIS & NFS are just on the same server.
[05:06] <r00tintheb0x> Samba Winbind & AD are a seperate thing.
[05:06] <r00tintheb0x> lol, sorry shawarma
[05:50] <coNP> how can I make a
[05:50] <coNP> Linux router that masquerades everything but forbids http
[05:50] <coNP> I want to use a proxy for all http traffic
[06:01] <ivoks> easy
[06:01] <ivoks> you can redirect http port
[06:01] <coNP> I guess it is only a --destination-port ! 80 in the appropriate line
[06:01] <ivoks> but that's not ultimate solution
[06:02] <ivoks> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -m iprange -i [local interface]  -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128
[06:05] <shawarma> r00tintheb0x: I'm sorry, I've got to run now. I can help you again on monday, if you haven't sorted it out yet by then.
[06:07] <ivoks> shawarma: did you look at mysql root password? :)
[06:10] <shawarma> ivoks: Yes, i did. I have to disagree about setting a random password.
[06:10] <shawarma> ivoks: It's a bad idea, I think.
[06:11] <ivoks> i agree it isn't great, but is better than empty pass
[06:11] <shawarma> ivoks: The server is useless if you don't know the password, so the user friendly choice is definitely *not* to stow it away somewhere in a file the user has to find by himself.
[06:11] <ivoks> user doesn't have to find it
[06:11] <ivoks> he only has to know how to set it up
[06:12] <shawarma> The kind of user inclined to just hit return (thus skipping the password setting) is the exact same kind of user that is inclined to not be able to find said password afterwords if it's only to be found in a file somewhere.
[06:12] <ivoks> we can say that mysql is unusable untill password is set
[06:12] <shawarma> I vote that whatever happens during installation, the mysql server should be usable afterwards.
[06:13] <shawarma> If that involves asking the user over and over again for a password or having an empty password, so be it.
[06:13] <shawarma> That said, there should be an easier way to reset the password.
[06:13] <ivoks> that's breaking ubuntu policy
[06:13] <shawarma> I know.
[06:13] <ivoks>  /etc/init.d/mysqld reset_password - this is very easy to do
[06:13] <shawarma> But forcing the user to dig out a password from an obscure file is worse.
[06:14] <shawarma> ivoks: If you know about it.
[06:14] <ivoks> no... user will never do that
[06:14] <shawarma> yes.
[06:14] <ivoks> like this:
[06:14] <ivoks> check out /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
[06:14] <shawarma> I'm familiar with it.
[06:14] <ivoks> just replace debian-sys-maint with root
[06:14] <ivoks> and you get mysql with root pass
[06:14] <ivoks> which can be changed with single command
[06:15] <ivoks> mysqladmin --config-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf password 'newpassword'
[06:15] <ivoks> bleh... --defaults-file
[06:15] <ivoks> mysql is secured; there is root pass
[06:15] <shawarma> Right.
[06:15] <ivoks> and it is easy to change it
[06:16] <shawarma> I'll toss in a few comments (and do something about it) on Monday.
[06:16] <shawarma> We can discuss it then. Cool?
[06:16] <ivoks> sure
[06:18] <shawarma> Cool. See you!
[06:19] <ivoks> bye
[07:48] <coNP> do someone have ubuntu icons for nagios?


[01:26] <elijah-mbp> Juzzy-: my mom used one of those collapsible jugs to make a batch of cherry wine one time.  it was pretty tasty.  i think it stained the jug up badly, though, and she probably had to toss it.
[13:00] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes
[13:29] <ttgdz> is there linux project I can see the source?
[13:29] <ttgdz> I looked up the google code
[13:29] <ttgdz> any advice?
[13:50] <wrst> ttgdz: you can see the source for pretty much any Linux project
[13:51] <ttgdz> uh....
[13:51] <ttgdz> can you give me some google website?
[15:04] <Juzzy-> elijah-mbp: ya.


[22:29] <stdin> DreadKnight: you can just do ftp://username:password@hostname/ to force a username/password, if you just do ftp://username@hostname/ then it will prompt for a password
[22:30] <NexaMac> demetrio: sudo apt-get remove konqueror :P
[22:30] <NexaMac> refuses to work here too for some reason :/
[22:30] <DreadKnight> stdin: that sounds reasonable, thanks
[22:30] <dettoaltrimenti> hi- im running kubuntu gutsy, and flash video runs extremely slow- I am running adobe flash 9, is there a way to downgrade to adobe 8 or are there any other options for me to change?
[22:31] <theperryfamily> Need help with USB HD mount issues in Kubuntu 7.10 with VirtualBox
[22:32] <fizzz> need help installing nvidia drivers it says that i am running x server and it can not install while its running any ideas
[22:34] <dettoaltrimenti> fizzz you could restart into the console and do it frmo the command line
[22:37] <DoYouKnow> hi. I installed kde 4.0 and plasma crashes frequently
[22:37] <DoYouKnow> what am I doing wrong?
[22:37] <DoYouKnow> oh
[22:37] <DoYouKnow> wrong chan
[22:41] <fizzz> need help installing nvidia drivers it says that i am running x server and it can not install while its running any ideas
[22:42] <mattrperry> need help with USB HD disappearing in kubuntu 7.10
[22:43] <marx2k_> mattperry: What do you mean by disappearing?
[22:44] <FaiDillinGer> where is ktorrent installed please ?? in which flder ?
[22:45] <jpatrick> FaiDillinGer: many places
[22:46] <MadSquirrelKing> is there a way to get my kubuntu machine to route? (eg broadcast a WEP internet connection)
[22:47] <mattrperry> it will be mounted and working fine...then I run Virtualbox with XP guest...the USB drive will unmount in Kubuntu (host) and mount in XP (guest) and will work fine in XP (guest)...when I send the shutdown from within the XP (guest) it will shutdown and close virtualbox...but then the usb drive does not re-mount in the Kubuntu (host) unless I either unplug it and plug it back in, turn off the power to the drive and back on, or reboot the k
[22:47] <MadSquirrelKing> any 1 have an idea as to how?
[22:48] <mjwild> Hi can some one tell me how I can create a DVD movie with a .AVI. I could do it with Windows and use nero, but can not get it right with K3B
[22:49] <MadSquirrelKing> does any one know how to make a kubuntu router? (the computer is a hp tablet, and i want to make it broadcasst a WEP connection)
[22:49] <julkie> hey hi
[22:50] <julkie> i have a problem with kopete
[22:50] <jpatrick> julkie: what's up?
[22:50] <MadSquirrelKing> whats the problem?
[22:50] <julkie> i just intalled kde4 with the repos in the kubuntu page
[22:51] <julkie> and kopete just no connect to msn
[22:51] <julkie> he dont say nothing....
[22:51] <julkie> just no conect silently
[22:52] <MadSquirrelKing> you sure you have all of the right details entered in? If you do, check to see if kopete is updatable. Othere than that i cant help. :P
[22:52] <julkie> ahhaha
[22:52] <julkie> no no kopete updates are aviables
[22:52] <MadSquirrelKing> hmmm...... :(
[22:52] <julkie> but there are other updates
[22:52] <MadSquirrelKing> install them.
[22:52] <jpatrick> julkie: msn works fine here...
[22:52] <julkie> and im downloadin de updates
[22:53] <julkie> jpatrik but kde4's kopete?
[22:53] <jpatrick> julkie: yes
[22:53] <MadSquirrelKing> does any 1 know how to set up a kubuntu router? (eg make it broadcast a WEP eesid)
[22:54] <jpatrick> if anyone's having troble with Kopete KDE4's Jabber please install libqca2-plugin-ossl from the PPA
[22:54] <MadSquirrelKing> i need to set up a home network, but i HATE windows
[22:54] <julkie> ummm i hope when my updates finish the instalation he works fine
[22:54] <MadSquirrelKing> should. :)
[22:54] <oldude67> i have simple question, i downloaded kde4 iso does that come as a whole distro of just kde4?
[22:55] <jpatrick> !kde4
[22:55] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:55] <pyrotix> gah, does anyone know how to use fill patterns in krita?
[22:55] <oldude67> i know where its at
[22:55] <MadSquirrelKing> no, sry
[22:55] <WorkingOnWise> kinda general question...has anyone used evolution and kontact enough reasonably say what the weaknesses are compared to the other?
[22:57] <rakan> Hello
[22:57] <rakan> i installed Dekorator but it aint showing up on menu
[23:01] <pyrotix> gah, does anyone know how to use fill patterns in krita?
[23:12] <kernco> I'm trying to install KDE 4.  I added the repositories to the sources.list, but then I try to run "sudo apt-get install kde4-core" and I get unmet dependency errors.
[23:13] <kernco> Depends "kdebase-kde4 kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime kdelibs5 kdepimlibs"
[23:14] <kernco> But if I try to install those manually, I just get more unmet dependencies
[23:17] <FaiDillinGer> what games can i play on linux ?
[23:17] <Kohlrabi> check www.happypenguin.org
[23:17] <Kohlrabi> or, check www.winehq.org for a list of Windows games working in wine
[23:17] <FaiDillinGer> thx
[23:18] <Kohlrabi> on winehq, heck the AppDB
[23:18] <Romina> hi
[23:19] <Romina> how can the K-Menu of a certain user be copied from one user account to an other one?
[23:20] <Romina> user XY edited his K-Menu,  added some new structure and some new programs .... I would like to copy this edited menu to other user accounts too
[23:20] <RadiantFire> Romina: things are stored in .local/share/applications I believe
[23:20] <RadiantFire> Romina: something like that
[23:20] <RadiantFire> Romina: the xml in a set of files around there are merged with the system wide menu
[23:21] <goalieca> what are the kde4 ~ppa1 changes
[23:22] <Romina> RadiantFire, thank you,  I will search for it there
[23:22] <Romina> is there a KDE4 backport for  Kubuntu 7.04 ?
[23:25] <goalieca> Romina, there is ... one sec
[23:26] <goalieca> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main
[23:26] <goalieca> but.. what i'm wondering is what changes tehre were today... everything was labelled ppa1
[23:26] <goalieca> i don't see anything else in there
[23:26] <SportGuy> goalieca: my precious...
[23:28] <goalieca> kde4 isn't ready to use as a desktop even for the bleeding
[23:28] <goalieca> the apps are good. okular works pretty nice
[23:28] <Dragnslcr> goalieca- gutsy is 7.10, not 7.04
[23:29] <goalieca> oh. heh. didn't notice
[23:32] <Romina> goalieca: thank you but I am using 7.04
[23:32] <Romina> not 7.10
[23:39] <fizzz> anybody here help login as root ?
[23:39] <fizzz> hrlp me
[23:40] <poison--> press ESC while booting
[23:40] <WorkingOnWise> fizzz: you don't log in as root in Kubuntu. YOU do admin stuff with sudo
[23:43] <Tarin> how long to wait for my nick to be registered
[23:44] <ubuntu__> hello
[23:47] <simon___> Hi. I don't really udnerstand what this sentence means "To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1; xterm and run startkde in the Xerphyr xterm." from: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-kde-40-stable-in-ubuntu-gutsy.html
[23:47] <simon___> thx for help
[23:47] <acorn_> yo guys so i got kubuntu and im wanting to change the appearance..for instance... font size, color..
[23:47] <simon___> can someone explain it to me?
[23:47] <acorn_> anyone direct me where to go? i can figure out the rest
[23:48] <simon___> in plain english...
[23:48] <bascule> anybody else get this http://rafb.net/p/AyjCId39.html I tried this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4126834 to no avail
[23:48] <psycho_____> acorn_: maybe go to kde control panel
[23:48] <acorn_> where do i go to get to control panel?
[23:48] <acorn_> i was using ubuntu before and this much diff
[23:48] <acorn_> >_>
[23:49] <psycho_____> acorn_: the main button on your bottom-left
[23:49] <bascule> crazy thing is I did a friend an ubuntu isntall yesterday, all his effect work fine
[23:49] <psycho_____> acorn_: and then look at control panel from the list
[23:50] <Tarin> how long to wait for my nick to be registered
[23:50] <bascule> immediate
[23:51] <simon___> noone here that can explain the above pasted sentence?
[23:51] <psycho_____> simon___: thank you
[23:52] <FaiDillinGer> is there something like compiz for kubuntu ? or is it only for gnome desktops ?
[23:52] <FaiDillinGer> !compiz
[23:52] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:52] <FaiDillinGer> ok sorry
[23:53] <Tarin> bascule here is the prob tho. i keep trying to set my email for my nick and it tells me to register my nick first
[23:54] <Tarin> i have registered my nick already and it still comes back not registered
[23:54] <psycho_____> Tarin: /msg nickserv register nick password if my memory serves me right
[23:54] <bascule> Tarin: /j #freenode, wait till you are voiced, ask them :)
[23:55] <psycho_____> Tarin: /msg nickserv register password to register your nick
[23:56] <Tarin> yeah i did that but it gives me a message not to use register again for 120 seconds
[23:56] <simon___> psycho_____: what does it mean and what does it do?
[23:56] <psycho_____> Tarin: wait 120 seconds and try that again
[23:56] <caspercasper> does anyone in here have experience with the ode45 solver in matlab?
[23:57] <Tarin> ok working now
[23:57] <psycho_____> Tarin: good
[23:58] <Tarin> ok new question
[23:58] <Tarin> anyone know how to create a new server?
[23:58] <psycho_____> Tarin: no thanks for psycho_____ ?
[23:58] <Tarin> sorry man and thanks
[23:59] <Tarin> forgot my chat manners for a sec
[23:59] <psycho_____> Tarin: yw
[23:59] <penos> ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggunit
[23:59] <penos> oops