[00:27] <DarinMiller> Verified 3 different 17.10 installations (OEM, manual partition, entire disk on legacy Dell XPS m1530 laptop) and verified the live USB boots on a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 with UEFI.  All tests passed.
[00:27] <DarinMiller> We should be good to go.
[00:28] <valorie> nice!
[00:28] <valorie> all 64 I assume?
[00:39] <DarinMiller> Yes.  I can do 386 but  I don't run the 386 enviro.  I have used older 386 systems and they are so painfully slow and mostly single core.  I don't why people don't just upgrade.  (Many inexpensive faster options out there...)
[00:40] <DarinMiller> don't understand^
[00:41] <valorie> well, the major users of those old computers are people in third-world countries
[00:41] <valorie> and some of our "enterprise" customers really need it
[00:41] <valorie> which is why I always try to get them to test!
[00:42] <valorie> because testing i386 on 386 machines is important
[00:42] <valorie> VMs just aren't the same
[00:56] <DarinMiller> Would you like me to test i386 on 64b hw?
[01:05] <valorie> DarinMiller: it's better than no testing
[01:05] <valorie> have there been no i386 tests on the tracker?
[01:05] <valorie> sorry, just taking off for dinner
[01:06] <valorie> if you won't have any time to do so later, and have time now, yes I would love it
[01:06] <valorie> <3
[01:07] <DarinMiller> downloading now...
[01:09]  * DarinMiller thougt I was downloading... rsync link not working...
[01:09] <DarinMiller> neither does the zsync
[01:10] <DarinMiller> none of the i386 links are working for me: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/385/builds/164206/downloads
[02:00] <mparillo> DarinMiller: It needs an extra /artful. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/artful/daily-live/
[02:24] <DarinMiller> Thanks mparillo, I am was not sure if the daily dl was the same iso that is (or will be) advertised on the Kubuntu website.
[02:27] <valorie> well, if we get enough test coverage, we don't need to put it on the website I think
[02:27] <valorie> I'll see tomorrow
[02:29] <valorie> maybe all news is good news
[04:24] <_guest12RGE9IQ> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ LRH IS LIVE NOW!! TODAYS EDITION SLIMER GETS FUCKED IN VEGAS!! https://www.youtube.com/user/l0de/live CALL<PHONE_NUMBER> kghmkv: micahg Sick_Rimmit shadeslayer ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
[04:24] <_guest12RGE9IQ> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ LRH IS LIVE NOW!! TODAYS EDITION SLIMER GETS FUCKED IN VEGAS!! https://www.youtube.com/user/l0de/live CALL<PHONE_NUMBER> xkxlwxd: markey schmidtm_ wgrant ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
[04:33] <valorie> ick
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks


[09:31] <jpatrick> morning ompaul
[09:32] <ompaul> jpatrick, morning
[13:57] <Philip5> anyone in here who are authized to give me a "unaffiliated" user cloak?
[13:57] <Philip5> or can i do this myself?
[14:02] <ompaul> Philip5, that would be #freenode and look for staff
[14:02] <Philip5> ompaul: ok, thanks
[15:46] <erUSUL> is there an esperanto ubuntu channel ??
[15:47] <LjL> hmm, not aware of one but let me see
[15:49] <erUSUL> LjL: the person i was talking to says its empty...
[15:54] <erUSUL> LjL: #ubuntu-eo list nalioth and Razor-X`` in the access list... it was registered just in case i guess ???
[15:54] <LjL> erUSUL, well no, i think it was registered because someone actually wanted to make it active... but then it's not uncommon for small channels like that to go lost when the contact loses interest
[15:56] <erUSUL> LjL: i see  thanks ;)
[15:56] <LjL> erUSUL: if someone is interested in resurrecting it... they're my guests
[16:00] <erUSUL> LjL: no; ust courious he was having problems with selecting esperanto as primary language... i suggested asking on the esperanto channel but it is empty so i gave him the launchpad page of esperanto translation he may be able to contact someone trough mail...
[22:49]  * P3L|C4N0 slds
[23:30] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda oh dear
[23:33] <pleia2> oh boy
[23:34] <no0tic> oh god


[12:16] <jbailey> doko: Sent off another lkh, should fix both mysql and libgii
[12:17] <doko> so libgii was a lkh thing?
[12:17] <jbailey> yeah, the upstream included a define that only exists in 2.4 kernels and earlier.
[12:18] <jbailey> Given that the case is a noop, I'm surprised to see it in mysql, but ah well.  It's not supposed to be in the 2.6 header.
[12:21] <lamont> doko: done
[12:22] <lamont> Kamion: yeah - in the report, they show up... I think those particular ones probably want to get removed from the archive
[12:25] <doko> lamont: yes, too early, the 2nd pike upload didn't build yet
[12:32] <doko> enchant did build, so abiword can be retried
[12:41] <lamont> kicked
[12:41] <lamont> doko: you are waiting for the cron.daily run after the builds finish before saying anything, yes?
[12:42] <doko> hmm, I don't do idle waiting ... so from time to time I refresh your web page. that's ok
[12:43] <lamont> gii now d-w lkh
[12:43] <lamont> jbailey: thanks
[12:43] <lamont> was it mysql-dfsg, or the universe package?
[12:43] <doko> the former
[12:44] <lamont> only have a failure log on ia64 - d-w'd
[12:44] <doko> yes, the other archs did succeed
[12:44] <lamont> kewl.
[12:44] <lamont> anything else before I run off again for a while?
[12:45] <jbailey> Not from me, I think.
[12:48] <lamont> back in 2-3 or so then
[12:48] <lamont> closer to 2 than 3, I think
[01:15] <doko> Kamion: could you check out, why unixodbc's build-deps cannot be fulfilled on powerpc?
[01:16] <Kamion> doko: it's hard for me to check anything in breezy on my own system because of that bash bug :P
[01:17] <doko> ouch!
[01:17] <Kamion> but http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html agrees
[01:17] <doko> yes, first thing I do tomorrow morning
[01:17] <Kamion> thanks :)
[01:18] <Kamion> it looks like gnome-libs is out of sync on powerpc
[01:18] <doko> yes, I read this list, but even the build logs aren't very helpful
[01:18] <Kamion> libgnome32 |   1.4.2-19 |        breezy | powerpc
[01:18] <Kamion> libgnome32 |   1.4.2-20 |        breezy | amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, sparc
[01:18] <Kamion> and gnome-libs FTBFS/powerpc
[01:19] <Kamion> looks like a missing imlib include?
[01:22] <doko> worse: libpng error: Call to NULL read function
[01:23] <doko> hmm, libpng was the cause for xorg build failures on powerpc as well
[01:50] <jbailey> daniels: Hmm, on the upgrade to the latest X bits, dexconf or whatever it's called now doesn't appear to write the mouse stuff to the xorg.conf file.
[02:00] <doko> jbailey, libgii and mysql-dfsg did fail
[02:00] <jbailey> chroots weren't updated with the new lkh
[02:00] <doko> lamont: after libpng did build and install on powerpc, please build gnome-libs on powerpc
[02:03] <lamont> ../sigcperl/convert.h:71: error: explicit qualification in declaration of `std::string SigCPerl::get_string(SV*)'
[02:03] <lamont> bad sigcperl
[02:03] <lamont> ../include/linux/i2o-dev.h:51: error: variable or field '__user' declared void
[02:03] <lamont> bad raidutils
[02:04] <lamont> ../llapi/vector2d.h:120: error: 'cerr' was not declared in this scope
[02:04] <lamont> bad panorama
[02:17] <lamont> pension board meeting - back in about an hour
[02:31] <daniels> jbailey: yeah, the mouse stuff is screwed
[02:31] <daniels> jbailey: that's -21 material
[02:33] <doko> daniels: congrats! -20 did build on all archs ;-)
[02:33] <daniels> fabbione: eh, branden isn't doing any of the xorg work
[02:34] <daniels> fabbione: gravity and I are doing xorg monolithic stuff ... he's so far caught one mistake and done a bit of syncing from Debian
[02:34] <daniels> fabbione: joshtriplett and I are working on the modular tree and we're hoping to have the same packages
[02:35] <daniels> doko: yeah, I noticed ... finally
[02:36] <zul> gday
[02:37] <doko> and xbase-clients seems to be built correctly
[02:38] <doko> daniels: could you have a look at xscreensaver? the changes were necessary when I built the package, but they do fail on the buildd.
[02:39] <daniels> ok
[03:09] <jbailey> daniels: That and the path being not where startx is located now. =)
[03:11] <daniels> jbailey: serves you right for not having /usr/X11R6/bin in your path :P
[03:11] <daniels> i think i'm just going to dump everything in /usr/bin with the next upload
[03:11] <daniels> being that /usr/bin/X11 is a REALLY BAD IDEA
[03:12] <jbailey> I thought the plan was to move everything to /usr/bin ages ago.
[03:18] <daniels> right, but moving it within the monolith is PAIN
[03:18] <daniels> so I'm just making all the new modules use it
[03:19] <daniels> i'm seriously considering moving everything and xbase-clients and xutils with dh_install though
[03:22] <Kamion> doesn't that break some third-party code using imake?
[03:23] <Kamion> (due to stuff not being in ProjectRoot where they expect it)
[03:31] <daniels> that's the tricky part I have to work out
[04:14] <jbailey> Hmm, libgii seems to be an X casualty this time.
[04:15] <daniels> \o/
[04:15] <daniels> does it need to build soon?
[04:16] <daniels> if it doesn't need to build in the next few days, just wait for it to start building again
[04:16] <jbailey> It's an rdepends for anything libggi based that needs to make the g++ transition.
[04:16] <jbailey> I don't know how importnat that makes it.
[04:18] <daniels> main or universe?
[04:18] <jbailey> main
[04:18] <daniels> hum
[04:19] <jbailey> Given that I'm heading to bed soon, I don't actually care that much for any value that you might consider to mean "today"
[04:20] <daniels> heh :)
[04:20] <jbailey> doko punted it to me since the first failure was a linux-kernel-headers one, lamont punted it back when it failed to build the package right because of a missing binary.
[04:22] <daniels> heh :)
[04:34] <lamont> was someone fixing gstreamer0.8?  fabbione ?
[04:41] <jbailey> It wasn't punted to me.
[04:41] <lamont> cothreads.c:654: error: invalid lvalue in assignment
[04:41] <lamont> was sparc ftbfs, iirc... --> fabbione
[06:22] <fabbione> daniels: xorg -20 is FTBFS on sparc
[06:22] <fabbione> ConnDis.c:38:23: error: X11/Xauth.h: No such file or directory
[06:22] <fabbione> around 1.5MB in the build log
[06:24] <daniels> uhm, sure you've got libxau-dev installed?
[06:24] <daniels> because that should be in /usr/include/X11/Xauth.h
[06:24] <daniels> (and a recent libxau-dev?  doko uploaded a fixed -2)
[06:25] <fabbione> checking...
[06:26] <fabbione> well libxau-dev should be a build-dep
[06:26] <daniels> it is
[06:26] <fabbione> Unpacking libxau-dev (from .../libxau-dev_6.8.2-16_sparc.deb) ...
[06:26] <daniels> that's why it worked on amd64/i386/powerpc
[06:27] <daniels> hmmmm.  if it doesn't work with that, I guess I'll have to tighten the build-dep. :\
[06:27] <fabbione> i think it needs the new splitted one, doesn't it?
[06:27] <daniels> in the meantime, build libxau 1:0.1.2-2 and make sure that gets used
[06:27] <fabbione> yeah ok
[06:27] <daniels> yeah, so I'll tighten it up for -21
[06:27] <fabbione> but please tight the dependencies for the next upload
[06:27] <daniels> will do
[06:28] <fabbione> it's not too much of a problem for me
[06:28] <fabbione> but a new breezy re-build-strap would fail
[07:36] <fabbione> doko: please pull http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/binary-gcc.mk into gcc-3.4 debian/rules.d/
[07:37] <fabbione> it fixes biarch install (dh_link) target
[07:37] <fabbione> there are a couple of \ missing ;)
[11:10] <fabbione> does anybody mind if i spin up concordia a bit?
[11:46] <doko> good morning
[11:48] <\sh> hey doko
[11:48] <ajmitch> hi doko
[02:04] <jbailey> daniels: When I added /usr/X11R6/bin back to my path, it seems that /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc referes to a non-existant /usr/bin/X11/X
[02:22] <daniels> jbailey: ROCK
[02:24] <Kamion> killing /usr/bin/X11/ this way seems pretty painful, considering that it seems that current Debian policy was written with an eye to *using* /usr/bin/X11/ as part of the migration path away from /usr/X11R6/ ...
[02:25] <fabbione> Kamion: that part of the policy was written by Branden iirc and he said: "If you kill *X11* we will change policy.. i wrote it :D"
[02:26] <Kamion> yeah, I know Branden wrote it, but using /usr/bin/X11/ to help the transition rather than hindered it seemed like a design feature to me at the time
[02:26] <Kamion> and still does, fwiw
[02:26] <Kamion> s/hindered/hinder/
[02:27] <jbailey> Well, policy is a reflection of current best practice.  If X changes what it does, by definition best practice has changed.
[02:28] <Kamion> I was kind of hoping that eventually we'd have /usr/bin/X11 -> /usr/bin
[02:29] <Kamion> so as not to screw over people with hardcoded paths in local config
[02:29] <Kamion> or, y'know, things like ssh
[02:30] <Kamion> which hardcodes /usr/bin/X11/xauth because that was the path that was supposed to keep working
[02:30] <fabbione> Kamion: yup... make sense
[02:31] <daniels> eh, /usr/bin/X11 isn't going away
[02:31] <daniels> the plan is to move everything to /usr/bin and make /usr/bin/X11 a symlink to /usr/bin
[02:31] <daniels> but there are only so many hours in my day, y'know?
[02:32] <Kamion> oh, ok, that's exactly the opposite impression to the one I'd got
[02:32] <daniels> dude, I don't hate /usr/bin/X11 any more than I hate /usr/X11R6
[02:32] <Kamion> you told me in #1685 that /usr/bin/X11/xauth was bad
[02:33] <daniels> i told you in #1685 that a hardcoded path in general was probably bad, yes
[02:33] <daniels> i have no intention of killing it off completely
[02:33] <Kamion> ah
[02:33] <daniels> i just don't want to put binaries in there
[02:33] <Kamion> I hadn't realised that, ok
[02:33] <daniels> bbiab
[03:55] <doko> lamont: 4.0 did sucessfully build on hppa/unstable
[03:56] <lamont> doko: which kernel?
[03:57] <lamont> or do you mean on the buildd?
[03:57] <doko> Linux pampa <IP_ADDRESS>-pa11 #1 SMP Fri Sep 10 10:40:02 MDT 2004 parisc64 GNU/Linux
[03:57] <doko> no, my machine
[03:57] <lamont> wow.  that's with the test suite off?  because <IP_ADDRESS> has lots of issues with the test suite...
[03:57] <doko> no, on
[03:58] <lamont> hrm.. maybe it was everything else that it had issues with...
[03:58] <doko> I'll restart it on breezy
[03:59] <lamont> and off to run to town. sigh
[04:00] <doko> wait, kdelibs for i386?
[04:00] <doko> lamont: ^^^
[04:02] <lamont> daniels needs to upload -21 and quit claiming to build xlibmesa-gl*-dev, then they'll not be in the archive, and kdelibs will build
[04:03] <lamont> alternatively, reversing the order of the build-deps will fix it, but they need to be in the other order for debian...
[04:06] <doko> hmm, talking with riddell
[04:07] <Riddell> what's up?
[04:13] <doko> lamont: no, kdelibs doesn't deal with xlibmesa-gl*-dev, the last qt upload did fix that, and kdelibs should be retried
[05:47] <daniels> lamont: ?!?!??!?!?!??!
[05:47] <daniels> lamont: nothing ever happened to xlibmesa-gl-dev
[05:52] <daniels> lamont: by the way, I could stop building xlibmesa-gl-dev, but seriously it wouldn't do you any good
[05:53] <jbailey> daniels: Another upload then sleep? =)
[05:54] <daniels> no.  just sleep.
[06:36] <\sh> xorg is against gcc4 now? doesn't look like
[06:42] <jbailey> fabbione: You there?
[06:42] <fabbione> jbailey: i am very close to go and cook dinner...
[06:42] <fabbione> i am hungry to deaht
[06:42] <fabbione> death
[06:43] <jbailey> fabbione: No worries.  Just I did some research on Xen this morning.  I can babble about it another time.
[06:43] <fabbione> jbailey: ok.. btw i solved a big problem with latency
[06:43] <fabbione> for some reasons my eth0 on the gw was like adding 800ms to the next eth hop :)
[06:44] <fabbione> ifdown / ifup solved :))
[06:44] <jbailey> Err. duplexing?
[06:44] <fabbione> nope
[06:44] <fabbione> it started all of a sudden
[06:44] <fabbione> it's connected to a proper swtich
[06:44] <fabbione> 100Mb FD
[06:44] <fabbione> it's the first time it does something like that
[06:44] <fabbione> anyway dinner...
[06:45] <jbailey> enjoy!
[06:45] <fabbione> i will pass by later
[06:45] <fabbione> so you can tell me about xen
[06:46] <fabbione> thanks
[06:46] <jbailey> 20 packets transmitted, 15 received, 25% packet loss, time 19189ms
[06:46] <jbailey> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 754.573/1149.822/1433.117/166.396 ms, pipe 2
[06:46] <fabbione> doko: btw.. did you pull in the fix for gcc-3.4?
[06:46] <jbailey> That's to your router for me. =)
[06:46] <fabbione> jbailey: can you check where you actually lose packets?
[06:46] <fabbione> mrt/traceroute...
[06:47] <jbailey> Weird, I dind't have traceroute installed.
[06:47] <doko> fabbione: no, jbailey will do the next 3.4 upload
[06:48] <jbailey> fabbione: In which case, the dh_link \'s are already in my tree. =)
[06:49] <fabbione> doko: ok
[06:49] <fabbione> jbailey: thanks :)
[06:49] <fabbione> doko: btw.. it did build fine this time :)
[06:49] <fabbione> no probs with livtest
[06:50] <doko> heh, nice
[07:09] <fabbione> jbailey: so.. want to tell me that stuff about xen?
[07:09] <jbailey> fabbione: It appears that Xen may run under NPTL these days, but really suckily.
[07:10] <jbailey> I haven't got an answer yet on my questions, but there's a patch to glibc that should be it generally be better.
[07:10] <fabbione> jbailey: ah ok.. right now i am slightly more worried of xen not even being able to mount my root partition :)
[07:10] <fabbione> i need to do another test next weekend
[07:10] <fabbione> got 2.0.6 ready on my server
[07:10] <fabbione> with 2.4.30
[07:10] <fabbione> (can't run 2.6 there yet)
[07:11] <jbailey> fabbione: Right.  I've been hesitant about Xen if we'd wind up having to drop support for it.
[07:11] <fabbione> jbailey: i know smurfix and Mith are looking at other options too
[07:11] <fabbione> like L4+afterburner
[07:11] <fabbione> that appears to be much more portable and way less intrusive than xen
[07:12] <jbailey> Hah, it would be funny if L4 were useful in the Linux world.
[07:12] <fabbione> jbailey: well they run linux at the moment
[07:12] <fabbione> on top of debian
[07:12] <fabbione> that's their devel platform
[07:12] <jbailey> Oh?  Interesting.
[07:12] <fabbione> that's also why Benno was at UdU
[07:12] <jbailey> I only know L4 from my Hurd exposure.
[07:13] <fabbione> Mith and I were at the University there to see a demo
[07:13] <jbailey> Hmm, wish I had knowm about it
[07:13] <fabbione> and it was afterburner + xen/l4
[07:13] <fabbione> it was nice..
[07:13] <jbailey> Ah well. =)
[07:13] <fabbione> i mean.. it worked :)
[07:13] <fabbione> but after that they disappeared
[07:14] <fabbione> the userland wasn't ready yet
[07:14] <fabbione> so that's probably why
[07:14] <jbailey> 'l4 afterburner' is apparently not a useful thing to google for.
[07:14] <fabbione> jbailey: afterburner is not very well known at the moment
[07:15] <fabbione> the code has been kept private for a while
[07:15] <fabbione> but they were sorting the last license bits to go public
[07:15] <jbailey> Can you tell me where I could look to find info on it?
[07:15] <fabbione> Mith has all the URL's
[07:15] <fabbione> i don't have them handy.. sorry
[07:16] <jbailey> Tx, I'll poke him later.
[07:16] <jbailey> It's not critical, I was just looking at the Breezy tasks this morning and figured I'd look into the glibc on Xen issues a bit.
[07:17] <fabbione> yeah but i suggest to wait to push patches around
[07:17] <fabbione> specially if we are not sure we can commit to support it
[07:19] <jbailey> Well, my i386 asm isn't good enough to understand the implications of the patch.
[07:19] <jbailey> So I would need help anyway.
[07:22] <fabbione> ehhe neither is mine
[07:22] <jbailey> hey doko.. =)
[07:23] <doko> hi
[07:23] <jbailey> Sprechen ze i386-asm? =)
[07:27] <\sh> s/ze/Sie/
[07:27] <\sh> ;)
[07:29] <jbailey> \sh: Thanks.  My german is limited to asking if something is vegan.  Ordering by number off a menu.  Asking for Redwine or apple juice.  Looking at someone pleadingly and saying "Haut ban hof?"  By asking to not build the tests known to fail, you hereby waive your right to customer support.  If you do not agree with this EULA, please press Ctrl-C before the next line is printed.    Why are they using linux/byteorder instead of the glibc functions for that?
[10:30] <jbailey> byteswap.h is a far better choice, I think.
[10:31] <lamont> dunno... palo_1.8 on hppa, fwiw
[10:33] <lamont> one more massive giveback executed
[10:33] <jbailey> I'll take a look at palo in my chroot on bdale's machine.
[10:33] <jbailey> Might submit a patch for palo isntead, though.
[10:34] <lamont> kewlness
[10:34] <lamont> that'd be fine
[10:34] <lamont> (remember it was written by a kernel hacker.... so the line may be a bit more blurred than it should...)
[11:43] <desrt> desrt@gorecki:~$ uname -a; cat /etc/issue
[11:43] <desrt> Linux gorecki.cas.mcmaster.ca 2.6.12-rc5 #1 SMP Wed May 25 17:34:15 EDT 2005 ppc64 GNU/Linux
[11:43] <desrt> Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Development Branch \n \l
[11:43] <doko> heh ;)
[11:44] <desrt> there's this file in /proc that when you write to it it causes a kernel oops... other than that everything seems ok
[11:44] <desrt> (/etc/init.d/networking writes to this file)


[10:58] <juliank> I'm using launchpad lib.
[10:59] <juliank> I'm trying to associate teams subscribed to packages.
[10:59] <juliank> So, for example, fb=launchpad.people["foundations-bugs"]
[10:59] <juliank> I try ps=fb.getBugSubscriberPackages()
[10:59] <juliank> len(ps) is 1441, but list(ps) is empty and ps[0] fails with IndexError
[11:00] <juliank> Or given, a source package, like apt, I do apt.getSubscriptions()
[11:00] <juliank> it's len is 11, but indexing at 0 produces an IndexError as well
[11:03] <wgrant> juliank: There is an odd bug where for some collections you need to be authenticated to view their contents
[11:03] <wgrant> Authenticated as anyone, but authenticated.
[11:03] <wgrant> So login_anonymously won't let you see them.
[11:03] <juliank> wgrant: Hmm, that's bad.
[11:05] <juliank> wgrant: But yes, that's it
[11:07] <wgrant> juliank: It is a trivial fix, if it is actually inconvenient for you.
[11:07] <wgrant> grep for AnonymousAuthorization
[11:07] <juliank> wgrant: I'm trying to make that ftbfs page I asked for in #ubuntuwire report by team.
[11:17] <juliank> Oh, I'll just use http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/package-team-mapping.json like MoM does, that's much faster.
[11:19] <wgrant> https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/anon-dsp will fix the API
[11:25] <juliank> wgrant: Is that ubuntuwire thing still running on precise?
[11:26] <juliank> because, um, it uses the old python-apt API that's not in trusty anymore
[11:26] <wgrant> juliank: No, the local diff is purely that port.
[11:26] <wgrant> I hoped nobody would notice, but I didn't expect we'd hire you :)
[11:29] <wgrant> juliank: Pushed.
[11:48] <juliank> wgrant: Sent you a merge request to add per-team lists.
[11:48] <juliank> * proposal
[12:15] <wgrant> juliank: Thanks, will look tomorrow!


[16:00] <infinity> o/
[16:00]  * infinity listens to the crickets.
[16:01] <pitti> o/
[16:01] <kees> \o
[16:01] <pitti> welcome to another episode of "meeting with no agenda" :)
[16:01] <infinity> slangasek: *stab*
[16:01] <kees> \o/  (I will raise the other arm now)
[16:02] <infinity> So, we seem to be Steveless, and Stephane and Marc sent apologies.
[16:03] <infinity> #startmeeting
[16:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 13 16:03:02 2015 UTC.  The chair is infinity. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:03] <infinity> As pitti pointed out, we're pretty much agendaless.
[16:03] <pitti> Steveless too?
[16:03] <infinity> [ACTION] pitti to update SRU policy wiki page and announce on u-d-a
[16:03] <meetingology> ACTION: pitti to update SRU policy wiki page and announce on u-d-a
[16:03] <pitti> done
[16:03] <infinity> pitti: ^-- That's all done?
[16:03] <infinity> Yay.
[16:04] <infinity> Looks like Steve didn't cover his action, so we'll carry that.
[16:04] <infinity> [TOPIC] List archives
[16:05] <infinity> No posts in the last month.  So, that's kinda special.
[16:05] <infinity> Anyone have any off-list mail threads they want to bring up? :P
[16:05] <pitti> nothing from me
[16:06] <kees> nope
[16:06] <infinity> Exciting meeting, this one.
[16:06] <infinity> [TOPIC] Community bugs
[16:06] <infinity> 0
[16:06] <infinity> Nada.
[16:06] <infinity> Nil.
[16:06] <infinity> Zip.
[16:06] <infinity> Zilch.
[16:06]  * kees shakes hands all around, "well done, everyone"
[16:07] <infinity> [TOPIC] Next chair.
[16:07] <kees> me I think?
[16:07] <infinity> Looks like it should be stgraber (who I was filling in for), and then kees.
[16:07] <kees> oh
[16:07] <kees> gotcha
[16:07] <infinity> Will update the wiki accordingly.
[16:08] <infinity> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:08] <infinity> Anyone have any OB?
[16:08] <infinity> Not to be confused with BO.
[16:08] <infinity> Or B0, for the ASM nuts.
[16:08] <infinity> Going once.
[16:09] <infinity> Twice.
[16:09] <infinity> #endmeeting
[16:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 13 16:09:06 2015 UTC.
[16:09] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2015/ubuntu-meeting-2.2015-10-13-16.03.moin.txt
[16:09] <pitti> thanks kees and infinity :)
[16:09] <kees> thanks infinity and pitti :)
[16:10] <infinity> wiki updated.


[00:00] <HulkHogan> not sure
[01:29] <Snuggles88> When you change between activities, can you display some info, like the name of the activity or something?
[01:29] <Snuggles88> It is easy to get "lost" when you toggle through all your activities
[01:41] <claydoh> Snuggles88: I dunno, but you can give each one a unique name and that shows in that tab up on the corner, the thinhgy with the cashew
[01:41] <Snuggles88> How do you do that?
[01:42] <Snuggles88> Because I have named the activities, but the name don't show
[01:52] <claydoh> Snuggles88: if the 'cashew' is in the corner, it is small and only shows the cashew, you can drag it along the edges and it will show the name
[04:07] <StepNjump> I changed my hostname and now I get this error whenever I run a sudo command. sudo: unable to resolve host. Please help. Thanks
[05:19] <kirtah> Hi all :) I just got my sound card (mostly) working, but it has 2 physical outputs for left and right and alsa seems to be sending a stereo signal through both, so I have effectively mono sound. Any ideas? :)
[08:33] <hexacode> hey you guys wat does this mean?   "stty(1), pcap(3PCAP), bpf(4), nit(4P), pcap-savefile(5), pcap-filter(7) "
[08:33] <hexacode> oop
[08:34] <hexacode> here we go
[08:34] <Kalidarn> where did you see that
[08:34] <hexacode> SEE ALSO stty(1), pcap(3PCAP), bpf(4), nit(4P), pcap-savefile(5), pcap-filter(7)
[08:34] <Kalidarn> oh it means to see those man files
[08:34] <Kalidarn> ithey might be applicable
[08:34] <Kalidarn> or similar
[08:34] <hexacode> yes but i tried it for man bpf but it didnt work
[08:34] <Kalidarn> what is bpf?
[08:34] <hexacode> berkely packet filter
[08:35] <hexacode> for snort ids
[08:35] <Kalidarn> the man file will only be there if it's installed
[08:35] <hexacode> alright thanks
[08:35] <Kalidarn> apt-get install bpf :P
[08:36] <Kalidarn> actually thats not what the package is called
[08:36] <well_laid_lawn> !find bpf
[08:37] <Kalidarn> i doubt those are the packages
[08:37] <Kalidarn> you would want to install either
[08:39] <Kalidarn> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Berkeley_Packet_Filter im not even sure if it works on linux due to legal action looks like stuff got removed
[08:41] <Kalidarn> mm looks like its new to kernel 3.0
[09:02] <MarcoPau> hi, since last upgrade to oneiric emacs windows are opening up very small and I always have to enlarge them manually. do you know what this could be related to?
[09:03] <Kalidarn> maybe there's some sort of config option
[10:05] <andrea> help
[10:05] <Guest13233> ciao a tutti
[10:05] <Guest13233> help
[10:06] <Guest13233> help
[10:16] <mischasworld_> hello guest, how i can i help you
[10:28] <zors> Hi. New here.  One question:  Currently have Ubuntu 11.10 with Unity installed on my notebook, but it runs too slow.  Seriously considering switching to Kubuntu 11.10 (heard good things about it).  Would it run any faster than Unity on my system.  Specs are 1.8 GHz single core CPU, 2GB ram, intel 965 GMA & 12GB HDD.  Downloading the Kubuntu ISO as I type just wondering whether it's worth installing on this system. Any help welcome.
[10:28] <zors> I meant 120GB HDD.
[10:41] <jmichaelx> zors: you should be fine with those specs... if you have problems with kwin effects, turn off 'blur'
[10:42] <jmichaelx> zors: you may better off yet, if you can live without desktop effects
[10:43] <jmichaelx> you *may* also want to turn off automatic file indexing
[10:45] <spartan779> Hallo! people.
[10:46] <spartan779> here rain's as it's preparing for Noa's ark again.
[10:47] <jmichaelx> someboady make god mad again?
[10:47] <zors> @ jmichaelx, thanks for the advice.  Will take the plunge and install it.
[10:49] <spartan779> hahahha may be the angels left the tap opened
[11:22] <Barbobasket_> salve a tutti
[11:23] <Barbobasket_> ho l'audio con un solo canale qualcuno può aiutarmi?
[11:24] <luc4> penso avrai più possibilità in inglese :-)
[11:24] <Barbobasket_> Ok thaank you
[11:27] <Barbobasket_> Hi, I've a problem with my integrated audio  on my P5KPRO, only left channell work, I tried with Win xp, 7, ubuntu anfd kubuntu. Anyone can help me?
[11:27] <Barbobasket_> Grazie luc4
[11:27] <luc4> np
[11:28] <luc4> Do you mean it is not working only with Linux or it is not working with any of those OS?
[11:29] <Barbobasket_> It doesn't work with any OS!
[11:30] <luc4> Maybe not related to OS? Are all the drivers provided by the manufacturer?
[11:30] <Barbobasket_> Surely I changed Headphone to exclude speaker
[11:31] <Barbobasket_> I never changed anything, I'm going to unistall and reinstall drivers if I Haven't best suggestion.
[11:32] <luc4> Anyway, I would consider it not OS-related if I were you... no, I guess it won't change anything.
[11:33] <Barbobasket_> Maybe a wire detached?
[11:33] <luc4> Did you install the latest drivers under XP? You might try with a more recent Windows OS.
[11:34] <luc4> Might be anything at this point, sorry, don't know how to help you.
[11:35] <luc4> You might want to try aplay with an audio with 2 channels, passing the parameter to the command line. But I strongly doubt it will work.
[11:35] <Barbobasket_> No problem I thank you for the tentative, I think to buy a new audio scheda and  cut the head to te bull!
[11:35] <luc4> I guess it is the best thing to do at this point.
[11:37] <Barbobasket_> Ciao Luc4, I'm in Rome Italy andthis is time to eat!   I use winxp usually, but in future I want to pass to LINUX at all!
[11:57] <DarsVaeda> greeting, I just switched from debian + kde to kubuntu...in the former my wireless worked flawless (after installing iwlwifi) now in kubuntu the card works fine and I can scan for networks, but I can not connect to my hidden network anymore
[11:59] <UKMadBeef> i had that problem with 11.04
[12:00] <UKMadBeef> apparently there is a way around it but involves command line
[12:00] <UKMadBeef> i forget the specifics sorry
[12:00] <UKMadBeef> but it had something to do with iwlist / iwconfig
[12:01] <UKMadBeef> if ur on 11.10 u might have more success
[12:01] <DarsVaeda> I am on 11.10 and have not more success ^^
[12:01] <DarsVaeda> but thanks :)
[12:01] <UKMadBeef> haha me neither :)
[12:01] <UKMadBeef> hang on let me see if i can find the page i found before
[12:01] <UKMadBeef> i gave up in the end though
[12:02] <DarsVaeda> it is really a pain in the ass, nothing works without problems :/
[12:02] <DarsVaeda> except plain ubuntu
[12:02] <DarsVaeda> but...unity
[12:02] <UKMadBeef> yeah try that http://yuenhoe.com/blog/2011/02/connecting-to-hidden-wireless-networks-using-kdes-networkmanager/
[12:03] <UKMadBeef> i agree - it is 95% of the way there but it seems like every time they release a new version, still 5% doesnt work but its a different 5% hehe
[12:04] <UKMadBeef> i did clean install from 11.04 to 11.10 and now brightness control is real flakey and hibernate doesnt work
[12:04] <UKMadBeef> and kmail2 is a disaster
[12:04] <DarsVaeda> I was always on gnome and thunderbird
[12:04] <UKMadBeef> no disrespect to the devs
[12:05] <UKMadBeef> ah i never liked gnome, been using kde since the early 4.x's
[12:05] <UKMadBeef> unity is a silly idea, gnome 3 seems to be also, i like kde but there are still rough edges
[12:06] <UKMadBeef> im looking at opensuse and chakra now, kubuntu has always been a second class citizen
[12:06] <DarsVaeda> ha! the iwlist scan did it :)
[12:06] <UKMadBeef> awesome :)
[12:06] <DarsVaeda> thanks mate ;)
[12:07] <UKMadBeef> any time, glad you got it sorted
[12:07] <UKMadBeef> i only found out about that trick AFTER i needed it haha
[12:07] <DarsVaeda> too bad ^^
[12:08] <UKMadBeef> hiding ssid is not really any more secure anyway
[12:08] <UKMadBeef> but my friend had it like that and i couldnt connect to his wlan
[12:08] <UKMadBeef> shoulda just booted into xp :)
[12:09] <DarsVaeda> I named it "blackhole" so I had to hide it :D
[12:09] <UKMadBeef> eheheh
[12:09] <UKMadBeef> fair
[12:19] <hexacode> hey you guys. is this normal http://pastebin.com/ENZTFuT2
[12:19] <hexacode> my logs are full of those
[12:19] <UKMadBeef> thats a cron job
[12:19] <svencito> that chat room makes no sense to me!
[12:20] <hexacode> UKMadBeef:  but why s many?
[12:20] <UKMadBeef> seems to be every minute
[12:20] <hexacode> my cron job only has one crontab entry firing every 24 hours
[12:20] <UKMadBeef> hmmm
[12:21] <hexacode> is there another crontab entry somewhere else?
[12:21] <hexacode> maybe a hacker?
[12:21] <UKMadBeef> unlikely
[12:21] <UKMadBeef> what is smmsp
[12:22] <UKMadBeef> do you have any monitoring enabled like cacti or munin etc?
[12:22] <UKMadBeef> also look in /etc/cron.d/
[12:23] <elcaset> hexacode: do you mean a malicious hacker?  hackers = software developers.
[12:23]  * UKMadBeef assumed he meant malicious
[12:24] <elcaset> ja, I think you're right.  now even computer folk say hacker to mean malicious hacker.  sad.
[12:24] <UKMadBeef> well to be fair so do i
[12:25] <elcaset> really?
[12:25] <UKMadBeef> yeah, rightly or wrongly :)
[12:25] <UKMadBeef> hence the expression "OH NOES I GOT HAXED" hehe
[12:25] <elcaset> huh.
[12:26] <UKMadBeef> i dunno, hackers, crackers, phrackers, phreakers, its hard to keep up :)
[12:27] <yofel> it's a fuzzy definition. I mean, if the person that harms your systems knows exactly how the exploit he's using works - then he's a hacker per definition too, and a cracker.
[12:27] <UKMadBeef> ufw enable and hope for the best :)
[12:27] <elcaset> but when i go to hackerspaces, i meet lots of friendly people who teach me how to use computers, not how to do mean things with computers.  i guess when I hear hackerspace, i should run away!
[12:28] <UKMadBeef> haha :)
[12:28] <elcaset> :)
[12:29] <UKMadBeef> hexacode did you find anything in /etc/cron.d/ ?
[12:35] <UKMadBeef> maybe he got h4x3d hehe
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:58] <UKMadBeef> afternoon :)
[13:10] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[13:27] <hays> why is the 32 bit kubuntu recommended
[13:29] <UKMadBeef> less complication, I imagine :)
[13:30] <hays> im putting it on an i3 figure 64 bit would be the way to go
[13:30] <hays> is there a path from 32 to 64 bit/
[13:30] <UKMadBeef> how much ram u got?
[13:30] <hays> 8G
[13:30] <UKMadBeef> heh yeah i'd go 64 bit then
[13:31] <UKMadBeef> no i believe its a reinstall to go from 32 to 64
[13:31] <hays> fun
[13:31] <UKMadBeef> dont take my word for it, im no authority
[13:31] <hays> great..  this should be interesting..  dual boot hackntosh ubuntu if i am lucky
[13:31] <UKMadBeef> may the force be with you
[13:31] <UKMadBeef> heheh
[13:39] <BluesKaj> hays, UKMadBeef is correct , a fresh install is required for 64 bit
[14:47] <excognac> HI ALL I'm desperate for help: Libre Office 3.4.3 closes itself unexpectedly if a doc and something else is opened at the same time. this is a laptop with 4gb ram, core i3 2310M proc and kubuntu is 11.10 any further info? the problem appeared as well during it was 11.04
[14:52] <UKMadBeef> excognac: do you get a crash / bug report window pop up or not?
[14:52] <excognac> no nothing
[14:52] <excognac> while i restart it the unsaved data is lost
[14:53] <excognac> the files i'm working with are small
[14:54] <UKMadBeef> very strange
[14:55] <UKMadBeef> i dont really use libreoffice
[14:55] <UKMadBeef> does this happen with any other apps or just with libreoffice>
[14:56] <excognac> just with libre. and i meant that occurs if multiply files are opened (docs only and/or presentations/spreadsheets etc)
[15:01] <excognac> UKMadBeef: so what do you use instead? LatEx
[15:01] <excognac> ?
[15:01] <excognac> Any ideas?
[15:01] <UKMadBeef> I don't really use office apps that much at all, at work I use ms office
[15:02] <UKMadBeef> i just tried opening a docx file and odt file and no problems
[15:03] <excognac> I see. Thanks.
[15:03] <UKMadBeef> you could try KOffice
[15:04] <UKMadBeef> or maybe the problem is with a specific file you're opening?
[15:04] <UKMadBeef> crashing the importer, etc
[15:06] <excognac> nope! It has nothing to do with opening files: say I start to write something in a doc and start spreadsheet too. I'm editing both parally, nothing to fancy, and suddenly libreOffice closes itself
[15:07] <excognac> *paralelly
[15:08] <UKMadBeef> thats very strange
[15:08] <UKMadBeef> you said it happened with 11.04 and 11.10
[15:08] <excognac> yes
[15:08] <UKMadBeef> was the 11.10 an upgrade from 11.04?
[15:08] <excognac> yes
[15:09] <UKMadBeef> i wonder if it's a configuration issue that has carried over from your previous install
[15:09] <UKMadBeef> might be worth removing libreoffice, deleting configs and then reinstall
[15:09] <UKMadBeef> "apt-get purge" rather than "apt-get remove" will clear config files
[15:10] <excognac> ok, say it's a configuration issue. I have reinstalled Libreoffice twice, nothing
[15:10] <hays> is the 11 series still problematic?
[15:10] <hays> should i go with 10 perhaps?
[15:10] <UKMadBeef> really?
[15:10] <UKMadBeef> heh wow man
[15:10] <UKMadBeef> hays: 11.04 was rock solid for me
[15:10] <hays> its probably wise for me to do 11.04
[15:11] <UKMadBeef> I did a clean install of 11.10 and now my screen brightness is screwed up, hibernate doesn't work, and kmail is a bit of a mess too
[15:11] <UKMadBeef> can't hurt to try 11.10 but its not going well for me so far
[15:11] <excognac> for me it wasn't rock solid, this was a brand new machine in the summer. I've tried first ubuntu, it crashed all the time, fedora never fit well, so i went for kubuntu
[15:12] <excognac> and the see?
[15:12] <excognac> *then
[15:13] <UKMadBeef> yeah newer hardware can sometimes struggle with linux
[15:14] <excognac> or to be more honest swap the subject and the object in the snetence above:(
[15:17] <excognac> UKMadBeef: are you sure it's related to libre office and not Kubuntu itself?
[15:17] <UKMadBeef> to be honest, no I'm not
[15:17] <UKMadBeef> particularly if you had problems with ubuntu before
[15:17] <UKMadBeef> are you on 32 or 64 bit version?
[15:18] <excognac> 64
[15:18] <UKMadBeef> i would also have a look at your syslog to see if any errors jump out at you
[15:18] <UKMadBeef> tail -n 200 /var/log/syslog
[15:18] <UKMadBeef> gives you the last 200 lines of syslog, try that after a libreoffice crash
[15:19] <UKMadBeef> very strange problem you have though, i would still try removing libreoffice, then make sure you remove all the configs, then reinstall it
[15:19] <UKMadBeef> but that is really a shot in the dark
[15:21] <excognac> http://paste.kde.org/142802/
[15:21] <excognac> i've just had the crash before i logged on
[15:22] <UKMadBeef> lets have a look
[15:22] <UKMadBeef> yep thats a segfault
[15:22] <UKMadBeef> not good
[15:23] <UKMadBeef> basically libreoffice tried to do something it shouldn't have done
[15:23] <excognac> so what does it mean?
[15:23] <UKMadBeef> and the operating system killed it
[15:23] <UKMadBeef> really you would expect an error reporting window to pop up
[15:23] <UKMadBeef> try this in konsole
[15:24] <UKMadBeef> cat /var/log/syslog | grep -i segfault
[15:24] <excognac> ok
[15:24] <UKMadBeef> if you get more than that one line you just pasted, libreoffice may not be the only problem
[15:25] <excognac> http://paste.kde.org/142814/
[15:25] <excognac> THIS ISc cat /var...
[15:26] <UKMadBeef> yep thanks
[15:26] <UKMadBeef> well libreoffice isn't the only thing that's crashing on your system but the only other thing is opera plugin which i assume means flash is crashing
[15:26] <UKMadBeef> which to be fair is pretty normal :)
[15:27]  * UKMadBeef is running out of ideas
[15:27] <excognac> ok thaks anyway
[15:27] <excognac> do you want the tail ... syslog too?
[15:28] <UKMadBeef> might as well :)
[15:29] <UKMadBeef> another long shot is to upgrade to a newer version of libreoffice
[15:29] <UKMadBeef> and maybe check your java install as libreoffice can depend on that
[15:30] <UKMadBeef> a libreoffice ppa is available here https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa
[15:32] <excognac> ok
[15:32] <UKMadBeef> bit of a last resort that ppa though
[15:32] <UKMadBeef> your system should not be doing this :)
[15:33]  * UKMadBeef will have a cigarette and ponder the situation :)
[15:34] <UKMadBeef> could try disabling desktop composition too
[15:34] <UKMadBeef> sometimes that can cause issues
[15:35] <excognac> so wait a sec
[15:35] <excognac> http://paste.kde.org/142826/
[15:35] <excognac> my syslog
[15:35] <excognac> i have the newest libreoffice
[15:35] <excognac> and what to do with the ppa?
[15:37] <UKMadBeef> syslog doesn't show anything useful really
[15:38] <UKMadBeef> latest libreoffice is 3.4.x
[15:39] <excognac> mine is 3.4.3
[15:39] <UKMadBeef> you can add the ppa to your software sources, then do an upgrade, it will give you the latest libreoffice from the ppa instead of from the normal ubuntu
[15:40] <UKMadBeef> hmm dont bother with that then heh
[15:40] <excognac> and since i'm paranoid i update daily twice
[15:40] <excognac> java looks ok for me
[15:41] <UKMadBeef> hehe
[15:41] <UKMadBeef> i would still suggest removing libreoffice, clearing your configs and reinstalling
[15:41] <UKMadBeef> as you already upgraded libreoffice versions going from 11.04 to 11.10 and that didnt fix anything
[15:42] <UKMadBeef> but to be honest i am stumped
[15:42] <UKMadBeef> and i'm no expert tbh
[15:42] <excognac> so sudo apt-get  purge libreoffice then?
[15:42] <UKMadBeef> yeah but still have a look for any config files
[15:43] <excognac> how to>
[15:43] <UKMadBeef> in your home folder is a folder called .libreoffice
[15:43] <UKMadBeef> you may not be able to see it because normally, files and folders with a dot in front are hidden
[15:44] <UKMadBeef> this command will rename the folder
[15:44] <UKMadBeef> mv .libreoffice/ .libreofficebackup/
[15:44] <UKMadBeef> do that from your home folder
[15:44] <UKMadBeef> it may store configuration elsewhere i'm not sure
[15:48] <excognac> check this http://paste.kde.org/142832/
[15:49] <UKMadBeef> haha this gets better and better
[15:49] <excognac> it is installed....
[15:50] <yofel> libreoffice is a collection of packages, not one
[15:50] <UKMadBeef> do you know how to use aptitude?
[15:50] <UKMadBeef> yeah i'm wondering how it's been installed
[15:51] <UKMadBeef> maybe try libreoffice-kde
[15:51] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/142838
[15:51] <yofel> start by removing that
[15:52] <excognac> ok thanks
[15:52] <UKMadBeef> yeah what he said :)
[15:52] <ashfaq> Hi! I am facing problems getting connected to internet throught 3G usb modem in Kubuntu 11.10
[15:53] <ashfaq> The modem Huwavi 173 is just not shown up after restart
[15:54] <ashfaq> And the tick mark for mobile broadband is disabled!
[15:54]  * UKMadBeef never used 3G on Kubuntu
[15:55] <UKMadBeef> well, I use my phone
[15:55] <ashfaq> How can this be resolved, just installed today!
[15:55] <UKMadBeef> and it's huawei, no?
[15:55] <ashfaq> 173
[15:56] <ashfaq> Ubuntu Mint does an auto connect
[15:57] <ashfaq> Any solution to this?
[15:57] <UKMadBeef> when you go into network management, is the mobile broadband tab greyed out and not clickable?
[15:57] <UKMadBeef> cos it is on mine
[15:57] <UKMadBeef> probably as i dont have the hardware
[15:58] <ashfaq> It simply is not enabled! and when you enable, it says no agent
[15:58] <UKMadBeef> im not sure what you mean
[15:58] <excognac> UKMadBeef: so removed entirely with purge and then autoremove
[15:59] <UKMadBeef> excognac: have you renamed / deleted the .libreoffice folder from your home?
[16:06] <hallman> Anyone here using uim-mozc? Yet another package that kubuntu seems to have spitefully destroyed for me.
[16:07] <excognac> UKMadBeef: are you back?
[16:09] <UKMadBeef> yes mate
[16:09] <UKMadBeef> hows it going?
[16:09] <UKMadBeef> hallman: never even heard of it :)
[16:09] <excognac> installed, now i'm installing thge suggested packages as well, shall i do so?
[16:10] <UKMadBeef> yeah why not, in for a penny, in for a pound ;)
[16:10] <excognac> aye:)
[16:13] <hallman> Yeah well that seems to be a problem with (k)ubuntu..  Too lazy to switch back to Arch, where things Just Work for real.
[16:13] <UKMadBeef> hahah
[16:14] <UKMadBeef> hallman: dont even go there dude even the default mail program is full of holes
[16:14] <UKMadBeef> i've been having issues too, looking at chakra actually
[16:15] <UKMadBeef> but yeah 11.10 isn't even release candidate quality as far as i can see
[16:15] <UKMadBeef> 11.04 was rock solid
[16:16] <UKMadBeef> contemplating a move to opensuse, chakra or debian
[16:16] <hallman> All sounds like good ideas
[16:16] <UKMadBeef> but only (k)ubuntu seems to have easy home folder encryption
[16:16] <UKMadBeef> and i use ubuntu one also
[16:17] <hallman> I honestly don't know what people see in this dist.. I started using it in hopes of stuff "Just Working" without having to deal with re-configurations in every update etc.
[16:17] <hallman> But instead nothing works, and there's nothing I can do about it. It's like the worst of Linux and Windows combines.
[16:18] <UKMadBeef> hahah thats a little harsh :)
[16:18] <UKMadBeef> i really liked 11.04
[16:18] <UKMadBeef> 11.10 doesnt seem to be out of beta yet
[16:18] <UKMadBeef> it's that fixed release schedule innit
[16:18] <hallman> Yeah maybe, but I'm really beyond furiated with this dist. Can't believe how much problems I've been having with it compared to Arch or Gentoo.
[16:18] <UKMadBeef> never tried either of those tbh, i've been using kubuntu for years
[16:19] <UKMadBeef> but yeah i'm getting fidgety now
[16:19] <UKMadBeef> i do lean heavily towards debian-based distros though
[16:19] <UKMadBeef> as i use debian stable on servers so i'm at home with debian
[16:20] <UKMadBeef> but yeah i get sick of KDE being a second class citizen when it comes to the ubuntu world, thats why i'm looking at chakra and opensuse
[16:20] <excognac> okkkk. for some unknown reason sidebars etc. has a bit like win95 outfit. but no crush till now
[16:20] <hallman> That's also a problem, yeah.
[16:20] <UKMadBeef> debian seems to be too much of a faff for a desktop tbh
[16:20] <excognac> and gnome3?
[16:21] <UKMadBeef> excognac: try making sure you have libreoffice-kde and libreoffice-style-oxygen installed
[16:21] <hallman> I've had Arch installed on my laptop while trying kubuntu for a few months.. Never used the laptop.. Then I started it, ran a full system update, and everything kept working just fine. No problems at all, after 4 months of not updating anything. Like 500 package updates, no problems.
[16:22] <UKMadBeef> tbh i've had no problems until 11.10
[16:22] <UKMadBeef> if i remember correctly i installed 10.04 then upgraded to 10.10 then 11.04 no problems
[16:22] <UKMadBeef> + using the kubuntu ppa to get latest kde
[16:22] <UKMadBeef> kubuntu has been really solid up until 11.10 for me
[16:23] <UKMadBeef> excognac: I gotta go do some stuff but will try to keep an eye on things here until you get sorted
[16:23] <hallman> Fuck this, stationary computer is now secondary computer until I muster up the energy to get rid of this dist.
[16:23] <hallman> It has been desideth
[16:24] <excognac> UKMadBeef: THANKS a lot mate, I think I'll be fine
[16:24] <UKMadBeef> excognac: no problems, hope you get it all sorted :)
[16:25] <UKMadBeef> also if everything works remember you can get rid of the .libreofficebackup folder from your home folder
[16:25] <yofel> hallman: what exactly *is* your problem with uim-mozc?
[16:26]  * UKMadBeef bbiab (unless his laptop hibernates then its good night vienna ... thanks kubuntu 11.10 haha)
[16:28] <hallman> yofel: uim claims that the mozc module is not a proper module, so I'm assuming the versions used in the ubuntu rep are incompatible. Tried anthy, but now uim refuses to switch to it. (that one I guess I can't blame ubuntu for)
[16:34] <yofel> can't help there I fear. uim-mozc got an update in 11.10, but that's all I know ight now
[17:19] <UKMadBeef> looks like he got sorted
[17:19] <UKMadBeef> cheers for ur help yofel
[17:19] <UKMadBeef> another satisfied customer hehe
[17:21] <UKMadBeef> now i just gotta wait here until the guy responsible for kmail2 shows up
[17:21] <UKMadBeef> muahahahah
[17:24] <BluesKaj> UKMadBeef, he won't ...he's in hiding 'til the kmail/kontact pim problem is solved :)
[17:25] <UKMadBeef> hehe do you know his ip address? i'd like to run apt-get purge mysql-server on his machine :)
[17:25] <UKMadBeef> i mean mysql ... jesus ...
[17:31] <BluesKaj> don't think it's only one guy and I think they're waiting til kde8 is ready because it's delayed until gnome3 can be tested as compatible , or vice versa
[17:36] <UKMadBeef> oh yeah a balls up of this magnitude requires teamwork
[17:36] <UKMadBeef> heheh
[17:40] <BluesKaj> 12.04 should see a lot of fixes for both DEs , I hope :P
[17:45] <UKMadBeef> yeah i hope so cos 11.10 is not impressing so far :(
[17:46] <UKMadBeef> hehe awesome http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php?lang=en
[18:08] <ulysses> Hello, I have a problem with the Plasma NetworkManager: I can see a lot of wireless network but I can't see our own network here in the flat, it has to be the nearest but it isn't in the list
[18:09] <ulysses> the network is not hidden, it was configured and worked, I left the flat for a week and now it doesn't work
[18:09] <Guest32359> hi, i installed kubuntu but i'm lost, when i minimize a program, why its not in taskbar ? i can find the programm just with ALT+TAB ...
[18:15] <tzvi> any ideas why my application launcher opens at the top of the screen?
[18:17] <BluesKaj> Guest32359, open the plasma panel cashew icon on the far ro=ight , add widgets type task manager and click add
[18:18] <BluesKaj> far right
[18:19] <yofel> tzvi: you mean krunner? (alt+f2)
[18:20]  * BluesKaj shrugs ...some ppl must think we're bots in here
[18:28] <BluesKaj> getting flooded by the floodbot :)
[18:39] <Num83rGuy> Anyone want to try for round 2 of fun with pulseaudio?
[18:40] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy, we'll see , what's not working ?
[18:42] <Num83rGuy> On programs that I can chose the audio driver choosing alsa givs sound everything that just uses pulse gives no sound.
[18:43] <Num83rGuy> The phonon kcm has only pulse as a card and the hardware tab has only "Independent devices" so I only have dummy output.
[18:45] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy, sudo alsa force-reload , then check phonon again
[18:45] <Num83rGuy> I filed a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/858466
[18:45] <Num83rGuy> oops wrong one,
[18:46] <Num83rGuy> Never mind I went through this for a few hours the other day and it isn't worth starting over again thanks anyway.
[19:02] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[19:06] <mcprtk> hi everyone!
[19:07] <xenocube> Hello!
[19:08] <soee> yofel, hi
[19:09] <yofel> soee: 4.7.3 is out
[19:10] <mcprtk> hey, can anyone tell me how to remove the menu items from the "create new" submenu in dolphin???
[19:10] <tzvi-> what does wireless hardware disabled mean?
[19:11] <tzvi-> its enabled in my bios!
[19:11] <yofel> tzvi-: can you open konsole and run 'rfkill list' - does that show something as blocked?
[19:12] <mcprtk> @tzfi, it means u need to download drivers for ur wifi system
[19:12] <mcprtk> @ tzvi run "sudo jockey-kde" to see what 3rd party drivers u need
[19:13] <tzvi-> shows ideapad wireless soft yes
[19:13] <tzvi-> hard no
[19:13] <tzvi-> then phy0 wireless locked hard and soft yes
[19:13] <mcprtk> hey, can anyone tell me how to remove the menu items from the "create new" submenu in dolphin???
[19:14] <yofel> tzvi-: meaning it's disabled, can you enable it in the network manager?
[19:14] <tzvi-> its greyed out
[19:18] <yofel> tzvi-: does it get enabled if you run 'sudo rfkill unblock wifi' in konsole? It'll ask for your password
[19:21] <tzvi|> that fixed ideapad_wlan, Howver phy0: Wireless LAN still shows HARD blocked yes
[19:21] <tzvi|> and the wireless is still greyed out
[19:21] <||arifaX> want to test highlighting in quassel can someone write my nick without the || and some other simple mods please?
[19:23] <Jonno> arifaX
[19:23] <Jonno> ||arifax
[19:23] <Jonno> |arifaX
[19:23] <||arifaX> works! - thanks! needed to test the regex
[19:26] <tzvi-> any ideas what hard blocked means?
[19:28] <spartan779> Hallo darling KDE users
[19:31] <yofel> tzvi-: hard blocked usually means blocked by a hardware off switch (like most notebooks have on them)
[19:32] <tzvi-> except mine is on...
[19:32] <tzvi-> might have found some thing will post soon
[19:34] <spartan779> Have someone of you tried to make working a laptop with an intel CPU-Integrated vga and ATI ?
[19:52] <tzvi-> rfkill still gives me phy0: Wireless LAN hard lock yes
[19:52] <tzvi-> hardware switch is set to on
[19:53] <tzvi-> tried toggling switch as per google, hasnt worled
[19:53] <tzvi-> worked
[20:04] <systemclient> how can I use all my 7 mouse buttons on Razer Diamondback?
[20:18] <xenocube> cd
[20:19] <systemclient> xenocube: wrong window? ;-)
[20:19] <xenocube> lol indeed
[20:21] <systemclient> nobody has an idea on the mouse buttons?
[20:32] <darthanubis> how can I install nicotine, without pulling in all of Ubuntu desktop?
[20:33] <Snowhog> darthanubis: sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends nicotine
[20:34] <darthanubis> I'll try that. But that's odd considering all of Ubuntu is not reccomended, just two other files related to nicotine?
[20:36] <Snowhog> darthanubis: A simulated install without the --no-install-recommends and with it don't show "all of Ubuntu desktop" being pulled in.
[20:36] <darthanubis> Snowhog: yeah that does not work
[20:37] <darthanubis> Snowhog: maybe not on your machine , on mine I am reporting obviously exactly what it is showing
[20:37] <Snowhog> darthanubis: With the --no-install-recommends only nicotine will be installed. Without it, libnotify4 nicotine python-geoip python-mutagen python-notify will be installed.
[20:38] <darthanubis> Snowhog: I understand what the cmd is supposed to do
[20:38] <aguitel>  how  remove desktop effects with command line ?
[20:39] <Snowhog> darthanubis: Not intending to offend - hope I did not.
[20:39] <darthanubis> not at all
[20:39] <darthanubis> my system is offending me :)
[20:39] <Snowhog> darthanubis: What version of Kubuntu and KDE are you running?
[20:39] <darthanubis> 11.10, and just as of a minute ago when to 4.73
[20:39] <darthanubis> restarting KDE now
[20:39] <darthanubis> brb
[20:40] <Snowhog> KDE 4.7.3 likely is the culprit?  Maybe?? 826 packages!!! Geez.
[20:47] <darthanubis> Snowhog: No, this was the same with 4.72
[20:47] <darthanubis> there is nothing left to be upgraded at all
[20:47] <Snowhog> Do you have experimental or other ppa repos?
[20:48] <darthanubis> experiemental , this aint Debian
[20:48] <darthanubis> just the kubuntu ppa for kde updates
[20:49] <darthanubis> but that should not matter in the least
[20:49] <darthanubis> nicotine should not want all of Ubuntu to install
[20:50] <Snowhog> In my Software Sources > Updates tab, I have all checked except Pre-released updates.
[20:50] <darthanubis> it wants some python stuff
[20:50] <darthanubis> and suggests python-gnome, but that is all
[20:50] <darthanubis> I have them all checked
[20:51] <Snowhog> darthanubis: The Pre-released updates is what permitted you to upgrade to KDE 4.7.3, yes?
[20:51] <darthanubis> making mine like yours
[20:51] <darthanubis> Snowhog: no
[20:52] <darthanubis> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa that does
[20:52] <darthanubis> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-473
[20:52] <Snowhog> darthanubis: ah.
[20:53] <darthanubis> s  o  ooooooooo y
[20:53] <darthanubis> uh
[20:54] <darthanubis> I believe this requires a force install of some type
[20:54] <darthanubis> this would be unnecessary if museekd did not crash randomly, and offered some support
[21:07] <yofel> aguitel: running 'qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin org.kde.KWin.toggleCompositing' will do that if they're active
[21:07]  * BluesKaj is back.
[21:09]  * BluesKaj edits away messages
[21:26] <c_smith> hey, how do I install a custom Plymouth theme I downloaded?
[21:26] <c_smith> not via Super Boot Manager, that is.
[21:47] <Snowhog> darthanubis: Did you figure out what was causing nicotine to want to pull in all those packages, or would it do that for any new package? I just finished upgrading to KDE 4.7.3 (no problems here) and did another simulated install of nicotine, with and without the --no-install-recommends, and nothing like what you showed would happen here.
[21:48] <darthanubis> Snowhog: nicotine is the only thing that wants all those other apps
[21:49] <darthanubis> I think it may have to do with i have synaptic installed, synaptic pulled in some gnome libs as well, not that many but maybe enough to make a differnece
[21:50] <darthanubis> nope not that
[21:50] <Snowhog> darthanubis: Might be possible. I don't use Synaptic anymore. I have Muon installed.
[21:51] <darthanubis> yeah, muon
[21:52] <Snowhog> darthanubis: Well, if it isn't Synaptic, then some installed package and one or more of the dependencies in nicotine must be heavily linked. Hmm.
[21:54] <Snowhog> darthanubis: What do you get with an apt-cache showpkg nicotine?
[21:55] <darthanubis> Snowhog: http://privatepaste.com/acbfc6ae68
[21:56] <Snowhog> darthanubis: Well, that's exactly what I get here, so that's no help.
[22:27] <aguitel> yofel, thanks
[22:32] <jmichaelx> my impression is that oneiric is the buggiest kubuntu release in the last 2 years or so
[22:33] <EvilResistance> jmichaelx:  Ubuntu and its deriviatives on Oneiric appear to be so
[22:33] <EvilResistance> but there's always tons of bugs
[22:33] <EvilResistance> (this is why i havent updated to it yet ;P)
[22:33] <jmichaelx> EvilResistance: yes, there are always a ton of bugs. it would be nice if that were at least occasionally not the case
[22:34] <EvilResistance> 'tis unavoidable unfortunately
[22:34] <jmichaelx> i don't believe that at all
[22:34] <jmichaelx> on the part of KDE, it is well known that there are issues with quality control
[22:35] <jmichaelx> or even with comprehending fully what quality control is
[22:36] <jmichaelx> i would have no answers to those problems, and realize that solutions may be hard to come by... but i would have a lot of questions
[22:37] <jmichaelx> like the monthly SC releases
[22:37] <EvilResistance> jmichaelx:  you mighit consider complaining on a forum site rather than here
[22:37] <EvilResistance> the devs probably dont lurk here much
[22:38] <jmichaelx> i had no fantasies that they did
[22:38] <jmichaelx> and making these complaints on KDE-related forums is a regular thing
[22:39] <jmichaelx> there needs to be some campaigning to pressure some of the devs, if there is going to be any procedural change
[22:41] <sorin26> hi all!
[22:41] <sorin26> How do I check if my xubuntu is up-to-date and to install updates if needed? Thanks!
[22:42] <jmichaelx> sorin26: this is the kubuntu channel, so you might want to check out #xubuntu
[22:42] <sorin26> I use kubuntu, sorry
[22:42] <sorin26> :)
[22:43] <jmichaelx> ahhh
[22:43] <sorin26> I have KDE, and not gnome
[22:43] <sorin26> 11.10
[22:43] <jmichaelx> sorin26: well, depending how you go about it, it is basically the same no matter which desktop environment you are using
[22:44] <jmichaelx> to update sources: sudo apt-get update
[22:44] <sorin26> i had a few crashes and I hope that some new patches are up, and I don't know where to find the OS update center
[22:44] <jmichaelx> then to install any available updates: sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:45] <sorin26> thanks jmichaelx! :)
[22:45] <jmichaelx> sorin26: there are GUI tools for keeping things up-to-date, but i am not familiar with them :-
[22:45] <jmichaelx> :-(
[22:46] <jmichaelx> sorin26: in the case of kernel updates, you will want: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:46] <sorin26> it seems that there are no new updates
[22:47] <jmichaelx> how long has it been since you installed?
[22:47] <sorin26> when I have crashes, I would like a window with send log with developers, without needing them to contact me, is that possible?
[22:47] <aguitel> i am using nvidia driver (7300gs/ge) card with kde,but i cannot enable desktop effects
[22:47] <jmichaelx> sorin26: well, kubuntu does have something like that
[22:48] <jmichaelx> aguitel: have you installed the proprietary nvidia driver? you will most likely need to do that in order to enable desktop effects
[22:49] <aguitel> jmichaelx, i do
[22:49] <jmichaelx> aguitel: how did you install the drivers?
[22:50] <aguitel> jmichaelx, hardware drivers itm
[22:51] <jmichaelx> aguitel: what i am wondering is whether or not you downloaded the correct drivers for your card. your card will require legacy drivers
[22:52] <sorin26> i have kubuntu with windows 7, if I will do kernel ugrades, will this break kubuntu or the grub loader?
[22:53] <sorin26> I mean with the apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:53] <jmichaelx> sorin26: no, it shouldn't... all of that is scripted, and should be handled automatically
[22:53] <sorin26> ok, thanks!
[22:53] <jmichaelx> yw
[22:53] <aguitel> jmichaelx, i will check this ussue
[22:56] <jmichaelx> aguitel: after the drivers are installed, you will probably also want to run nvidia-xconfig, with sudo.... and i cannot remember, but i think you may want to switch to another tty (ctl+alt-F3, for example), run 'sudo service kdm stop', THEN run 'sudo nvidia-xconfig'
[22:57] <aguitel> jmichaelx, ok
[22:58] <jmichaelx> aguitel: it's not impossible that after that you will still need to tweak your xorg.conf a bit. if that is the case, you would have better luck consulting the forums... i am sure other have the same card, and have posted instructions in the ubuntu forums (if any tweaks are even necessary)
[22:58] <aguitel> jmichaelx, thanks
[23:29] <sorin26> good night!
[23:34] <Belial`> anyone know when 4.7.3 is coming to the official repos?
[23:34] <Belial`> another day or two?
[23:41] <darthanubis> Belial`: offical as in what? It is already ready to be installed?
[23:42] <darthanubis> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-473
[23:46] <Belial`> darthanubis: yeah, i was just wondering how long it takes to get to the official repos. i have the ppa added but disabled, since it basically updates to 4.7.3 twice.
[23:47] <darthanubis> it does not update twice, no, and the ppa is as official as it is going to get since official repos only get security updates.
[23:48] <Belial`> darthanubis: when i used the ppa, it installed 4.7.3 and then when it got pushed to the official repos, as it states in that very website you linked, it updated again.
[23:48] <Belial`> so i decided to leave the ppa disabled.
[23:49] <darthanubis> Users of 11.10 can get it from the Kubuntu Updates PPA until the packages are available in the official repositories. <<<sorry
[23:49] <darthanubis> my bad
[23:49] <Belial`> it's all good
[23:49] <darthanubis> but having the ppa disabled is your choice, I still don't see the point
[23:50] <darthanubis> once it is added to the offical repos, it won't tell you to update again, since you'll BE updated
[23:50] <Belial`> that's odd...i'm sorry, i meant 4.7.2 the first time.
[23:51] <Belial`> i updated to 4.7.2 from the ppa and then when it was pushed to the official repos, it updated again because of how their packages were named and numbered.
[23:51] <darthanubis> well, do that again, then when 4.73 is released to official comment out the ppa again
[23:51] <darthanubis> but it will be a while before it get to the O.R. methinks
[23:52] <Belial`> gotcha. i'll enable them.
[23:54] <darthanubis> It is running great here


[00:34] <keantoken> Hello
[00:40] <keantoken> Hello?
[00:42] <keantoken> I'm trying to install a color profile for my monitor. I got as far as getting the color profile loader with Synaptic, but the nVidia drivers just reset it all. Am I doing something wrong?
[03:06] <bunty> hi all
[04:01] <jerry_l> can ubuntu studio do green screen?
[04:04] <jerry_l> ubuntustudio 10.04 is awsome, but should i really go to ubuntu studio 11.04?
[05:44] <holstein> jerry_l: if you want to upgrade, you can
[05:44] <holstein> the 10.04 version is an LTS
[05:44] <holstein> *long term support
[05:44] <holstein> which is why im still running 10.04 on my studio production machine
[11:09] <bunty> hi guys. Anyone awake ?
[11:10] <bunty> for some reason I don't have sound working when using rosegarden.
[11:11] <bunty> I have jackd running, rosegarden is playing a midi , but no sound output
[11:12] <bunty> my midi device is emu10k1. This is the same setup I have on another system. And it works there
[11:26] <Strayfolk> bunty, did you add synths?
[11:26] <bunty> like qsynth ?
[11:27] <Strayfolk> for instance
[11:27] <bunty> i believe fluidsynth is installed
[11:29] <bunty> rosegarden loads GeneralUser_GS_FluidSynth.sf2 ..
[11:29] <bunty> are you talking about this?
[11:30] <Strayfolk> maybe, do you have a simpler synth like hexter to try with?
[11:32] <bunty> 1 sec
[11:33] <bunty> Hexter works
[11:33] <Strayfolk> I choose whatever plugin I want to use, choose preset or soundfont in fluidsynth-dssi and it works
[11:33] <Strayfolk> ok, then there's something with your fluidsynth or your soundfont
[11:33] <bunty> hrm
[11:39] <Strayfolk> you can try calf fluidsynth-dssi and fluidsynth dssi
[11:39] <Strayfolk> they both work for me
[20:44] <leekaiwei> hello