[01:02] <ndroftheline> i'd like to try and understand what it might take to integrate bcache functionality into the ubuntu installer. where would i start?
[01:03] <ndroftheline> apple's latest OS release has provided a great opportunity to convert mac users because it has cut support for a huge swath of very-capable hardware, but a lot of systems from that era have "fusion drives" which are a small SSD and a separate spinning drive tied together; bcache functionality in the installer could make it easier for those users to take advantage of their hardware with a much better os (:


[07:51] <ps2chiper> hi, anyone online
[10:11] <ogra_> diwic, public ones are in the works but not ready yet ... there are some private ones
[10:12] <diwic> ogra_, Ford_Prefect who is a PulseAudio developer is trying to get PulseAudio working on ARM
[10:13] <diwic> ogra_, and his questions are 1) why isn't it working out-of-the-box on a Natty image (I thought we fixed that?)
[10:14] <ogra_> no, we dont have anything that automatically calls the alsaucm stuff, you need to do it once manually to initialize
[10:14] <diwic> and 2) can we enable ARM builds for a specific ppa
[10:14] <ogra_> its mentioned in the bug
[10:15] <diwic> Ford_Prefect, ^^
[10:15] <Ford_Prefect> ogra_: is it just setting the hifi verb?
[10:17] <diwic> ogra_, but we fixed that for Oneiric at least?
[10:18] <diwic> ogra_, the udev rule that was supposed to call alsaucm lacked path information
[10:18] <ogra_> we didnt have sound devices in the kernel until recently afaik
[10:18] <ogra_> hmm, and i dont see any on my server install still
[10:19] <ogra_> the switch to 3.0 messed up a lot once again ...
[10:19] <ogra_> and as usual sound is the last bit TI fixes :P
[10:24] <Ford_Prefect> Okay, so the alsaucm bits did make sure the sink gets picked up
[10:24] <Ford_Prefect> No source though
[10:25] <diwic> Ford_Prefect, are you setting the input verb as well?
[10:25] <Ford_Prefect> Ah, I needed the Record verb
[10:25] <Ford_Prefect> Not HiFi
[10:30] <ogra_> you need to also make sure to remove alsas state file
[10:30] <ogra_> or re-create it
[10:31] <Ford_Prefect> No output with Record
[10:31] <ogra_> the kernel only supports line in sources with that driver atm
[10:32] <ogra_> try with an mp3 player
[10:33] <Ford_Prefect> paplay works (thought it's always playing mono afaict)
[10:33] <Ford_Prefect> I don't have a line level mic, though
[10:33] <diwic> ogra_, wasn't line in (rather than mic in) a hardware limitation?
[10:33] <ogra_> might as well be, in any case we only have line in atm
[10:33] <ogra_> no mic support
[10:34] <ogra_> (unless you have a littel pre-amp for mics or some such :) )
[11:15] <ogra_> ogra@panda:~$ ls /dev/snd/
[11:15] <ogra_> timer
[11:15] <ogra_> btw
[11:16] <Ford_Prefect> fun
[11:17] <ogra_> and
[11:17] <ogra_> [    1.150665] ALSA device list:
[11:17] <ogra_> [    1.150665]   No soundcards found.
[11:17] <ogra_> ppisati, ^^^
[11:17] <ogra_> omap4
[11:17] <Ford_Prefect> There's also been complaints on the PA list about how their device only supports s32le and this was causing alignment problems in mixing
[11:21] <Ford_Prefect> diwic: I also see the latency problem that was reported on list with usb devices
[11:21] <Ford_Prefect> In seconds
[11:22] <Ford_Prefect> Playback latency seems okay
[11:22] <diwic> Ford_Prefect, ok
[11:24] <ogra_> Ford_Prefect, there are general ehci issues on the panda atm
[11:24] <Ford_Prefect> Ah, okay.
[11:25] <ogra_> https://lists.launchpad.net/linaro-release/msg00357.html
[11:25] <ogra_> err
[11:25] <ogra_> bug 709245
[11:25] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 709245 in linux-ti-omap4 "ARM SMP scheduler performance bug" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709245
[11:25] <ogra_> that one
[11:25] <ogra_> (ignore the title, it boiled down to a USB issue in the end)
[11:25] <Ford_Prefect> Cheers -- I'll point the people who were complaing about these problems to this
[11:27] <ogra_> you can work around it by using nosmp on the kernel cmdline
[11:27] <ogra_> or by pinging the wired NIC from an external machine
[11:27] <Ford_Prefect> I've got an ssh session running there
[11:28] <Ford_Prefect> And I've got empathy running with an ssh -X even
[12:00] <ppisati> ogra_: i've a new kernel
[12:00] <ppisati> ogra_: let's see if the sound has been fixed
[12:05] <ps2chiper> Hey guys
[12:05] <ps2chiper> Would anyone here like an ubuntu arm thin client?
[12:07] <ps2chiper> My company is working on a STB project, and I gained access to the amlogic HDK
[12:07] <ps2chiper> I could build a mini-tx based arm computer if i can get a ubuntu arm developer to commit to maintaining it.
[12:14] <ogra_> defdine maintaining
[12:14] <ogra_> *define
[12:16] <ps2chiper> i need someone to get the amlogic ip drivers to work under ubuntu. and someone to do a bug tracking system.
[12:16] <ps2chiper> all there is currently is a android bsp
[12:16] <ogra_> create a launchpad team and you have a bug tracking system ;)
[12:17] <ogra_> s/team/team and project/
[12:17] <ogra_> are these drivers GPLed ?
[12:17] <ps2chiper> I never done a project like this before. the guys from china ubuntu recommend i talk on this channel
[12:18] <ogra_> well, if you want6 dedicated bugs, go to launchpad,net, and create team and project there
[12:18] <ps2chiper> well i am unsure if all the drivers are gpl, but they do follow gpl laws. they have an openlinux webstie to comply with them
[12:18] <ogra_> *.net
[12:19] <ogra_> beyond that i dont see what beyond a kernel you would need to maintain for that ... the userspace should work the same on all armv7 systems
[12:19] <ps2chiper> oh no. i dont have the skill required. that is why unless i can get someone to commit to it ahead of time. im not going to start something that cant be finished
[12:20] <ps2chiper> zengpeng hou suggested persia might be interested in it.
[12:20] <ogra_> finding someone to maintain a kernel who doesnt have the HW might be a tricky task though
[12:20] <ps2chiper> i can supply the hardware
[12:21] <ps2chiper> they already have amlogic devices on the market
[12:21] <ps2chiper> just not in a think client format
[12:21] <ogra_> right, i mean you should try to find someone in the community with such a device
[12:21] <ps2chiper> i can buy it for them
[12:21] <ogra_> who wants to take maintenance of that kernel in universe
[12:21] <ps2chiper> i work for a shenzhen factory
[12:22] <ogra_> maintaining a kernel package is a non trivial task, so the person doing it needs to have some motivation ;)
[12:22] <ps2chiper> it can be like another rasberry pi, but more relevant since people can use this like a regular desktop
[12:22]  * ogra_ would be happy to sponsore prepared packages, as, i think, would be the rest of the ubuntu-arm team
[12:23] <ogra_> but you would still need to find a community member to prepare and maintain them
[12:23] <ps2chiper> correct
[12:23] <ps2chiper> and that is why i am here
[12:24] <ogra_> right, all i'm saying is we're happy to help, but within time limited boundaries since the team cares fro much other stuff
[12:25] <ogra_> persia did something liek that with the n900 kernel
[12:25] <ogra_> he helped a community member to roll the initial package, now that community person cares for the rest
[12:25] <ps2chiper> I keep saying to eric miao "Unless an ubuntu developer takes it upon him self to build a thin client, no company will attempt it since their is no market for it"
[12:30] <ps2chiper> its quiet again
[13:16] <ndec> ogra_: hi. if someone dist-upgrade from natty to oneiric. what happens to bootloaders (since oneiric manages bootloaders differently with packages) are they correctly upgraded?
[13:16] <ogra_> no, you would need to manually upgrade with the script function we added last release
[13:17] <ogra_> sudo flash-kernel --update-bootloader
[13:17] <ogra_> though it seems NCommander recently broke that, we need to check, it curretly does a lot mor than bootloaders suddenly
[13:30] <ndec> ogra_: thx. do you know if the upgrade to SPL has happened?
[13:30] <ogra_> yes, with lots of pain
[13:30] <ogra_> but its done
[13:35] <ndec> thx. ogra_ one more thing... are there any network issues with 11.10 today? we are messing around with some kernel changes and no more network ;-)
[13:36] <ndec> seems like a DNS issue, so i was wondering if there could be something on user land
[13:36] <ogra_> not for me, i just tested -server yesterday
[13:36] <ogra_> and -desktop the day before
[13:37] <ndec> ok... so that's the kernel !
[13:38] <ogra_> well, check if NM isnt making a mess here
[13:38] <ogra_> ~/.xsession-errors and syslog should tell you
[13:38] <ogra_> there were some NM bugs recently, proposedly fixed, but you never know
[13:41] <ps2chiper> hey ogra_ when will persia be online?
[13:41] <ogra_> ps2chiper, he wasnt for a while, might return today though
[13:41]  * ogra_ isnt sure
[13:41] <ps2chiper> is their any body else i should look for?
[14:10] <rbasak> Does qemu-system-arm support OMAP?
[14:11] <ogra_> in recent versions, yes
[14:12] <ogra_> n800/900 and a few beagle variants i think
[14:14] <rbasak> aha, thanks
[14:14] <rbasak> I was looking for an -M omap or something
[14:21] <ogra_> -M help should tell you :)
[14:22] <rbasak> I've found -M beagle
[14:26] <rbasak> Is there any central place for info on the beagle emulation, and is this still current: http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/issues/detail?id=2#c2 ?
[14:26] <rbasak> If so I presume I need an mmc image with u-boot on it?
[14:30] <rbasak> I've just found http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/w/list
[14:53] <plm> what is default filesystem of ubuntu for arm/omap?
[14:59] <GrueMaster> plm: The preinstalled images currently use EXT3, but we will be switching to EXT4 hopefully for 11.10
[15:00] <GrueMaster> Other filesystems have been tested during netinstall, and work well for that purpose (just not as easy to work with in a preinstalled image that gets resized on first boot).
[15:01] <ogra_> GrueMaster, plm, we'll switch post beta1
[16:05] <plm> GrueMaster: well, some people would like to use arm arch for embedded systems.. and ubuntu can be a alternative for a linuxfromscrash that will be done for works with a embedded filesystems.. likje as ubifs, ffs, ffs2, btrfs, etc? So ubuntu will look arm like as a PC, im terms of user.. not emebedded use?
[16:06] <GrueMaster> For that type of work, we have ubuntu-core.  It is a stripped down minimal image (a chroot for all tense and purposes).
[16:45] <Daviey> NCommander: Is there anything to add to the release notes for ARM server?
[16:45] <Daviey> (Note, we really need to get better at syncing)
[16:46] <Daviey> I didn't know i was required at the meeting that just happend, and the ARM meeting section in the server meeting has been stale for the last few weeks.
[16:47] <ogra_> Daviey, i thought there was an agreement that you attend our and NCommander attends your meetings ?
[16:47] <ogra_> at least the tipoc line for server in the meeting suggests that :)
[16:47] <ogra_> *topic
[16:52] <Daviey> ogra_: I understood it, that it was being handled in just the server team meeting.
[16:52] <Daviey> I must have missed that :/
[16:53] <Daviey> sorry if that was the case.
[16:53] <GrueMaster> We like to have as much cross-talk as possible.
[16:53] <Daviey> Hell Yes.
[16:54] <Daviey> rbasak is the king pin in this. :)
[16:56] <rbasak> an arm meeting just happened?
[16:56] <ogra_> every thu  at 15:00 UTC (it is announced on ubuntu-devel every week)
[16:59] <hallyn> NCommander: hey, on those toshiba tegras, where did you say the hardware switch for touchpad was located again?
[16:59] <ogra_> hallyn, above the 7
[16:59] <ogra_> it has a little mouse printed on it
[17:00]  * hallyn hits that with all his might
[17:00] <hallyn> ah!  finally!  thank!
[17:00] <ogra_> :)
[17:00] <hallyn> that did NOT look like a mouse to me at first :)
[17:00] <ogra_> heh
[17:00] <ogra_> sadly its hardwired ... no way to suppress it in SW
[17:01] <hallyn> jinkeys.  stil pretty useless :)  i must've given it too much crack
[17:01] <ogra_> dont try to use F9 :)
[17:01] <hallyn> wireless?
[17:02] <ogra_> no, the button you just used
[17:02] <hallyn> oh, haha
[17:02] <ogra_> its F9 but also kills your touchpad
[17:02] <hallyn> i had to hit it two more times to get it to stop flying around like a rabid bat
[17:22] <rbasak> when is the next arm meeting?
[17:22] <rbasak> same time next week?
[17:23] <rbasak> sorry I've seen that answered above
[17:23] <ogra_> yep :)
[20:26] <NCommander> hallyn: F7
[21:28] <hallyn> NCommander: Hm, maybe it depends on where you start counting :)  got it though, thanks.
[23:17] <Neko> hey guys, anyone a compiler nut in here?
[23:18] <ps2chiper> nope, im just trying to start a hardware project
[23:18] <Neko> just curious if there's any way I can tell just from gnu binutils kind of stuff, some magic looking for particular instructions, if something is compiled using thumb code or normal 32-bit ARM instructions
[23:21] <ps2chiper> yo Neko, can i pm you?
[23:29] <ps2chiper> anyone from china here?


[07:47] <angeloc> hi guys, q quick question, where is rootstock for precise? there is something I missed?
[07:50] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: rootstock is deprecated
[07:50] <angeloc> great! cannot find any documentation, can you point me in the right direction? thanks!
[07:51] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: the various ancestors/successors are debootstrap, the linaro tools and live-build
[07:51] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: after all, rootstock was mostly debootstrap+qemu+magic
[07:52] <twb> http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.bin/twb-bootstrap is what I'm doing
[07:52] <twb> I can't remember if I got cross-arch building working
[07:53] <twb> multistrap claims to be better than debootstrap for that, I'm not 100% convinced
[07:57] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb: sorry for not understanding. I used rootstock so many that I cannot live without it, you are saying me that from precise on, I have to fight with three different tools and crying all day?
[07:58] <twb> "magic" isn't a tool, it's unicorn tears
[07:59] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: no, thats not what i said.
[08:00] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd: so what is the best approach to emulate rootstock simplicity?
[08:00] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: to read the very first sentence in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootStock
[08:01] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd: live-build isnot nearly as simple as rootstock
[08:02] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: then either use a) ubuntu-core or b) continue to use rootstock and ignore deprecation.
[08:02] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd: with rootstock i squeezed really small and functional images for some of my jobs
[08:02] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: or c) make your way and script live-build
[08:04] <twb> live-build is definitely hard to get started with
[08:04] <twb> #debian-live have been talking about writing a replacement in Python to clean up the mess, but I don't think that effort will start until Debian 7 is released
[08:05] <twb> I cannot comment on rootstock, but if you study my minimalist script it should give you an idea of the techniques that all of these software employ; you can then roll your own script to do exactly what you want, and no more
[08:06] <twb> ...or use rootstock, or suck it up and learn live-build.  I don't care either way.
[08:08] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb: i think that deprecating rootstock was a wicked choice, i will use ubuntu-core, but i will have to write an amount of scripts to automatically installe required software into the image
[08:09] <twb> angeloc: if you don't like it, you can adopt rootstock yourself
[08:09] <twb> Personally I've never had any involvement in rootstock and I don't care to
[08:09] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: too bad the person worth addressing is not here at the moment. but as usual - its open source, go do whatever you like. just don't copmlain if other people don't do your work for free.
[08:09] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb: rootstock was unmaintained? i want to help for sure!
[08:10] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: rootstock has been marked deprecated for at least one year. i guess the person who did it had good reasons.
[08:10] <LetoThe2nd> rsalveti: ping, can you maybe comment?
[08:10] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb: i don't want to complaing anything, simply rootstock was really helpfull and a great valuable tool
[08:11] <twb> In this case deprecated = unmaintained
[08:11] <twb> The actual job of bootstrap+qemu is not really that hard
[08:12] <rsalveti> it's just because we're not using anymore for any reason, we're using live-build with qemu
[08:12] <rsalveti> to cross assemble the images
[08:12] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb: i'm really curios on the why rootstock was deprecated, i'll try to contact salveti
[08:12] <twb> angeloc: probably because nobody gave a shit anymore and <something else> was what they had switched to
[08:13] <rsalveti> it goes more with the "ubuntu way"
[08:14] <rsalveti> and nowadays we also have the ubuntu-core tarball
[08:14] <rsalveti> depending on how you're planning to use it
[08:14] <LetoThe2nd> angeloc: no need to, he's here, alive and klicking already :)
[08:17] <rsalveti> http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/fboudra/ubuntu-build-service.git;a=tree;f=precise-armhf-ubuntu-desktop;hb=HEAD
[08:17] <rsalveti> here's how we're building our linaro ubuntu desktop based image
[08:17] <rsalveti> it's not that hard, you just need to write down the scripts correctly
[08:18] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: thanks, i'll give a look
[08:20] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: more complicated than rootstock, but feasible
[08:21] <rsalveti> I think we could create a simple interface for live-build if necessary, at least to be as easy as rootstock
[08:22] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: i will be glad to help! why rootstock was deprecated?
[08:23] <rsalveti> angeloc: simply because we started using live-build and I personally didn't have time to keep it uptodated
[08:24] <rsalveti> and we had a few bugs with it, mostly related with qemu + mono before mono was dropped from the desktop
[08:24] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: i can keep on with rootstock if there is intrest
[08:25] <rsalveti> while I'd prefer moving to a live-build based solution, I'm not against someone else to maintain it, if we have people interested on it still
[08:27] <rsalveti> angeloc: you can simply create your own bzr branch of it, and make it work again
[08:27] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: i'm using it on lucid for long time and i know of people and companies using it
[08:27] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: for me, it works really well!
[08:27] <rsalveti> then I can try to have a look to merge all the code, and then add you to the maintainers group
[08:27] <rsalveti> there are a few bugs and merge proposals to be reviewed as well
[08:31] <angeloc> LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: well, fantastic, i'm active in other ubuntu projects, but not as a maintainer, really happy! Can I look at these works before accepting (to see if it's feasible)?
[08:32] <rsalveti> angeloc: you can find the project at https://launchpad.net/project-rootstock
[08:32] <twb> angeloc: please stop addressing me by name; I've stopped caring about your issue.
[08:32] <rsalveti> the are questions, merge proposals, bugs, everything :-)
[08:32] <angeloc> rsalveti: ok, simply the rootstock page on launchpad
[08:39] <angeloc> rsalveti: ok, i think it feasible! honestly, do you think it's better to continue rootstock development or switch to a more userfriendly frontend for live build?
[08:40] <angeloc> rsalveti: i'm really intresting help ubuntu!
[08:40] <rsalveti> angeloc: it's a lot easier to fix rootstock, fixing or creating something based on live build seems to be better for long term, but would require more time to invest on it
[08:51] <angeloc> rsalveti: ok, I think that it's better starting with something done, on the way when i 'll learn something more, i'll start a new project
[08:57] <angeloc> rsalveti: linaro has linaro-media-create
[09:27] <angeloc> rsalveti: rootstock is a bash script, maybe could better to start a python live-build interface for the near future ...
[13:39] <coelhao> i'm new to embedded world and i have a mx52 freescale board with their image with uboot and ubuntu 10.04. this image boot into x by default and i needed it to boot into command line. can someone help me?
[13:39] <coelhao> s/mx52/mx53
[13:40] <xranby> coelhao: "x" in ubuntu 10.04 is started by the /etc/init.d/gdm script
[13:41] <xranby> coelhao: if you want to prevent gdm from starting   you can a) uninstall it
[13:44] <coelhao> xranby, i already tried it but i get a black screen. and i would prefer not to. how can i change the runlevel?
[13:49] <xranby> coelhao: the console are mostly a black screen...      you can change runlevel using    telinit
[13:50] <xranby> telinit 3   switched to runlevel 3
[13:50] <xranby> switches
[13:51] <coelhao> xranby, yes, but the prompt didn't appear. but i would like to boot it into text mode. not change the runlevel after i boot into graphical mode
[13:53] <xranby> coelhao: to get a prompt  check that your system starts a getty (login) on your tty
[13:53] <xranby> coelhao: /etc/init/tty1.conf
[13:54] <xranby> coelhao: http://paste.ubuntu.com/973578/
[13:55] <coelhao> xranby, it's equal to mine
[13:57] <xranby> coelhao: can you try press ctrl+alt+f1 and check if you arrive at the tty1 login prompt on your mx52 board
[13:58] <coelhao> xranby, sure. yes, i go to the tty1
[14:02] <xranby> coelhao: unless gdm starts you should arrive at this tty1 on bootup..  sorry i am not sure why your system presents you at a different tty on bootup
[14:04] <coelhao> xranby, thank you very much anyway!
[14:23] <angeloc> rsalveti: is there a tutorial or somthing like that to build an arm image with ?
[14:23] <angeloc> rsalveti: live-build?
[16:09] <prpplague> cooloney: hey bud
[16:10] <prpplague> fyi, for anyone interested in lcd panels for beagle and panda, tincantools now has lvds lcd kits in stock - http://tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16165&cat=0&page=1&featured
[16:10] <cooloney> prpplague: hey, man, why not come to Oakland for Ubuntu developer summit
[16:11] <prpplague> when is it?
[16:11] <ogra_> yeah, jump on your bocycle and come over :P
[16:11]  * prpplague isn't really a ubuntu developer
[16:11] <ogra_> *bicycle
[16:11] <ogra_> prpplague, it just starts
[16:11] <prpplague> ahh
[16:11]  * prpplague has too much to do right now
[16:12] <ogra_> pfft, excuses, excuses
[16:12] <ogra_> :=
[16:12]  * GrueMaster wishes he was in Oakland right now.
[16:12] <ogra_> :)
[16:12] <ogra_> you are missed here
[16:23] <cooloney> GrueMaster: miss you, man
[16:23] <GrueMaster> cooloney: I miss me too.
[19:46] <hrw> prpplague: go to HongKong for Linaro Connect than ;D
[19:47] <prpplague> hrw: yea i wanted to
[19:47] <prpplague> hrw: couldnt swing it on the budget
[19:49] <hrw> understood
[19:54] <prpplague> hrw: would be a good trip too
[21:13] <ogra_> ndec, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-drop-preinst-images in case you are intrested
[21:17] <GrueMaster> ogra_: Why?  Because they can't test them?
[21:20]  * GrueMaster remembers he no longer cares, wanders off again.


[10:29] <mup> Issue core20#119 opened: Can't set up due to text color <Created by silverark> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/issues/119>
[11:32] <mup> PR snapd#10989 opened: many: quote constructed paths ending up into AppArmor rules <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10989>
[14:48] <mup> PR snapd#10990 opened: tests: skip lxd test on ubuntu-21.04 due to apparmor issue <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10990>
[18:44] <mup> PR snapd#10991 opened: o/snapstate: clean up snaps after hooks <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10991>
[18:49] <mup> PR snapd#10992 opened: cmd: create ~/snap dir with 0700 perms <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10992>


[08:22] <dholbach> good morning
[13:30] <elfy> popey: what do Mate do with testing? where is it on the interwebs I guess :)
[13:31] <popey> not sure what upstream mate do
[13:31] <elfy> I meant Ubuntu Mate
[13:31] <popey> oh, we don't have a formal test plan
[13:32] <popey> thats something we need to do for 15.04
[13:32] <elfy> so people just grab latest and report bugs if they find them?
[13:32] <popey> bascially yes
[13:33] <elfy> k - thanks :)
[14:37] <jcastro> popey, mhall119: the phone demo went awesome, thanks for the help
[14:37] <popey> yay
[14:37] <popey> you didn't get my MMS?
[14:38] <jcastro> no I ended up having to take my SIM out before I checked again
[14:38] <jcastro> for another call, and that phone has voice quality issues.
[17:21] <dholbach> all right my friends - have a great rest of your day and have a great weekend!
[17:22]  * popey hugs dholbach
[17:22]  * dholbach hugs popey
[18:27] <aveemashfaq> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkeufDGHEd8. Project Ubuntu Newbie
[18:30] <aveemashfaq> please give me feedback
[19:05] <pleia2> cprofitt: your blog post has a typo in the title, care to fix? (misspelled "Community"!), we noticed when adding to UWN
[19:06] <belkinsa> pleia2, thanks for your kind words in your comment.  It always a pleasure it work with you, also.
[19:11] <jose> hey cprofitt, mind a quick PM?
[19:13] <pleia2> belkinsa :)
[19:35] <popey> aveemashfaq: I like the concept of it, to explain the very basics, but I think perhaps we could have done with that 8 years ago.
[19:36] <popey> aveemashfaq: these days perhaps we need something a bit more pro
[19:36] <popey> ---professional and stylish
[19:36] <popey> I don't know, some people like that style of video, and appreciate the simplicity.
[19:36] <popey> Especially as a community effort.
[19:36] <popey> brb
[19:41] <aveemashfaq> popey : I am about to get the mockup of community website in a few hours. Then you will understand the significance of it
[19:43] <aveemashfaq> popey : BTW, i did not do pro for two reasons. Firstly, this is not a product marketing, so i thought that i should be doing something more casual and secondly, i cannot do graphics, i will have to learn it and then implement it. dholbach assigned me a task and this is the shortest way i could think of to complete it


[01:45] <Fre3Bear> Hello Canadians!
[01:46] <Fre3Bear> Anyone in Alberta? I'm in Calgary.
[04:10] <Fre3Bear> Hello.