[00:00] <unclean> Im trying to clear disk space and I installed the KDE over the Gnome how can I remove GNOME/
[00:00] <DaskReecH> !purekde
[00:01] <unclean> thanks
[00:07] <unclean> okay i keep getting 'cannot find XXX pkg'
[00:10] <unclean> any other suggestions
[00:13] <tonycampbell> HOLLO
[00:13] <tonycampbell> HELLO
[00:31] <szakulec> there should be a warning on the slow keys accessibility feature- I thought my keyboard or driver was acting up because it took so long to get a keypress, and was extremely difficult to work with
[00:32] <dhendu9411> does anyone know how to remove a bogus soundcard?
[00:34] <pgreptom> How do i lock/hold a package?  tried "aptitude hold" no luck..  ?
[00:43] <dolo> anyone here know how to use a makefile?
[00:55] <szakulec> dolo: what do you mean?
[00:58] <zzl> how can i adjust the brightness on my sony vaio vgn nr110e?
[00:59] <[pyro]> zzl: doesnt it have a function / up arrow key combo or something?
[01:00] <zzl> i tried the Function keys along with F5 and F6 but it doesn't work
[01:00] <zzl> using the brightness applet doesn't work
[01:00] <rbignall> Hi I've recently installed a new video card (ATI Radeon 2400PRO)  in my computer and was trying to figure out what driver to use.  It's working, though it jumps when playing a GL game and instead of moving smoothly.  But in the process, sound quit working and I can't get it working again.  Can anyone help me with either problem, getting the drivers set up right or getting sound working again?  Using Hardy Heron.
[01:01] <niziol> This Is no problem
[01:02] <zzl> anyone know of a script to decrease the brightness in kubuntu?
[01:10] <zzl> anyone?
[01:12] <nuxil> why do you want that to be a script ? doesnt your monitor has this function?
[01:12] <zzl> i have a laptop
[01:12] <zzl> otherwise, I wouldn't need to worry about brightness
[01:13] <nuxil> look int system setting desktop. but i cant remember exactly. im in kde4.1 atm
[01:27] <dhendu9411> zzl: you should be able to set brightness with the function key on the keyboard
[01:27] <dhendu9411> what brand laptop?
[01:29] <zzl> im using sony vaio vgn-nr110e
[01:31] <dhendu9411> none of the keys on the keyboard have a brightness function if used in conjunction with the function key?
[01:32] <LetsGo67> How do I remove instruments from a song?
[01:33] <zzl> FN+F5 and F6 but it doesn't work
[01:33] <nuxil> LetsGo67, this is not a music channel
[01:33] <zzl> neither does the brightness app
[01:33] <LetsGo67> nuxil where do I get help?
[01:33] <nuxil> !google
[01:33] <LetsGo67> I used Google nuxil.
[01:34] <nuxil> are you talking about a equlizer or something ?
[01:34] <nuxil> LetsGo67, maybe amarok has some plugins
[01:35] <LetsGo67> Sorry I don't use KDE I'm just asking in #kubuntu because no one in #ubuntu seems to be helping me.
[01:35] <nuxil> haha. thats nothing new :p
[01:35] <alteroo> Hello
[01:35] <zzl> people are answering your questions in #ubuntu
[01:35] <alteroo> I'm having a problem with the undead
[01:35] <nuxil> LetsGo67, #kubuntu supports kde apps .. not gnome
[01:36] <alteroo> They are? grand!
[01:36] <szakulec> alteroo: acid/swords are a good choice
[01:36] <alteroo> Anyway X went beserker nuts
[01:36] <alteroo> like 99% of the CPU
[01:36] <alteroo> killed my Keyboard
[01:36] <LetsGo67> How do I remove vocals?
[01:37] <alteroo> so I went to another machine and sshed in since my music was still running
[01:37] <alteroo> so I went to another machine and sshed in since my music was still running
[01:37] <alteroo> so I went to another machine and sshed in since my music was still running
[01:37] <bill__> Hello all..
[01:37] <alteroo> like 99% of the CPU
[01:37] <alteroo> Isdle
[01:37] <szakulec> LetsGo67: very carefully- and if you can, you should just buy a karoake version of it
[01:37] <alteroo> aodaj
[01:38] <szakulec> LetsGo67: the only choice I know of for Linux is Audacity, but unless it has a strip vocals option, you pretty much have to do it by hand
[01:38] <bill__> Bad day had to reinstall kubuntu..
[01:38] <szakulec> that sucks
[01:38] <LetsGo67> szakulec it has a revert.
[01:38] <nuxil> bill__, whay?
[01:38] <LetsGo67> szakulec: where can I buy voice only music?
[01:39] <nuxil> LetsGo67, move to #music
[01:39] <szakulec> LetsGo67: for more popular stuff, your local big box store should carry Karoake CD's (may be called CD-Gs)
[01:39] <bill__> My game files got mixed. If I tried to play one it brought up two...
[01:40] <bill__> Plus my system running slow
[01:41] <bill__> Nero has a program that strips vocals I think.
[01:42] <zzl> anyone use photoshop?
[01:42] <zzl> and got it to work with WINE?
[01:43]  * nuxil gives zzl gimp
[01:43] <zzl> gimp doesn't have that many tools compared to photoshop
[01:46] <nuxil> zzl, it got tonz of pluginz
[01:48] <zzl> hmm, never knew that
[01:52] <LetsGo67> thanks
[01:52] <mjponce> o/
[01:57] <nuxil> what is this anbout kwin being so resource hungry
[02:00] <Fieldy> hello, how do i change the font sizes in gtk applications? for example, xchat. not the chat window, but the nick list etc, text size on the buttons, etc
[02:03] <KCyrre> Hello.
[02:07] <Dr_willis> hi
[02:07] <Dr_willis> Fieldy,  xchat has settings for that in its own settings
[02:08] <Fieldy> Dr_willis: it does for the chat window, but not the nick list or the various buttons
[02:08] <Fieldy> that's set in the gtk theme, but i'm not sure how to accomplish that
[02:09] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I normally hide the nick listing anyway.
[02:09] <Dr_willis> run the gnome-theme settings tool and set them from there I guess
[02:10] <Fieldy> Dr_willis: ok, i'll have a look. thank you
[02:11] <StrangePuppy> hi, is it possible to encrypt existing root partition with cryptsetup? or i need to resize it, create new partition, create new FS using cryptsetup, copy contents, remap new partition as root, delete old root partition, resize new one?
[02:26] <dwidmann> StrangePuppy: probably choice b
[02:27] <dwidmann> StrangePuppy: and you also get to have the fun of hoping the initramfs will cope with it (it should, but that doesn't mean it's going to)
[02:32] <StrangePuppy> dwidmann: thanks
[02:32] <StrangePuppy> the passphrase should be asked before INIT?
[02:32] <dwidmann> StrangePuppy: I think the passphrase is asked after the initramfs loads
[02:36] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[02:37] <contrast83> Anyone else having issues with the nVidia driver after the latest updates? I can't get my X server to start.
[02:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> did you use envyng?
[02:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> (i have that problem every update)
[02:38] <contrast83> Daisuke_Laptop: Yeah, as I have been for a couple months now, no problems until now...
[02:38] <contrast83> Daisuke_Laptop: I uninstalled the driver via envyng, rebooted and installed nvidia-glx-new, no joy.
[02:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah, i just reinstalled with envyng
[02:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> i have not been able to get back to using the "normal" nvidia-glx-new since going to envyng
[02:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> a bit upsetting, actually
[02:40] <contrast83> I'm giving 2.6.24-18 a try now with the envyng driver...
[02:42] <ForgeAus> is there a ping/finger/tracert/etc gui suite for KDE?
[02:44] <nuxil> knmap
[02:44] <nuxil> ntop
[02:55] <sepher> hi all
[02:56] <sepher> hmm..
[02:57] <sepher> sure is quiet in here...
[03:15] <morales>  i was woundering, can anyone help me out with k3b, everytime i put a avi file to a disk the sound is all crackily i was woundering if anyone can help me out?
[03:26] <revolution>  does anyone know how to have the video & sound be preffect cuz i am useing avi files & then putt'n them to a dvd but when i do the picture is preffect & the sound is very stadickie, can anyone tell me how can i make the sound be preffect?
[03:27] <revolution>  I use K2b to put the avi file to a dvd but when i play the avi file in VLC Media Player the sound & picture r preffect but when i put the avi file to a dvd there's a hole different story for the sound
[03:28] <revolution>  can anyone help me out???
[03:29] <revolution>  wtf, why r u ppl ingorning me?
[03:30] <revolution>  why wont u ppl help me out, that's why ppl come here to get help so why don't u help the ppl that r in need, like me???
[03:32] <hoochymama> ok, ill bite.  did you transcode your video to avi??
[03:32] <Hydrogen> its due to your skin color, I'd assume
[03:33] <Hydrogen> we don't like white people round these parts
[03:33] <revolution>  i don't know
[03:33] <hoochymama> did you download the video as an avi file??
[03:33] <revolution>  the avi file's work fine when i play then in VLC Media Player
[03:33] <revolution>  yes
[03:34] <hoochymama> whats the different story for the sound??  not syncing??
[03:35] <revolution>  the sound work's fine when i play it in VLC Media PLayer but when i put the avi file to a disk & watch it on my home dvd player or even on my computer to make sure that it worked right the picture is preffect but the sound, sound's like crap
[03:36] <hoochymama> so the sound is atleast matching the people speaking but it just doesn't sound good?
[03:37] <revolution>  the sound is more like loud stadick when i put the avi file to a disk
[03:38] <hoochymama> maybe using this method will work better http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/SuSE/2008-06/msg01222.html
[03:38] <hoochymama> seems complicated but if you follow step by step it might work better
[03:39] <revolution>  ok i can give that a shot
[03:39] <revolution>  thns hoochymama
[03:39] <hoochymama> or maybe this http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/SuSE/2008-06/msg01234.html
[03:40] <hoochymama> ive had good luck using the command line to transcode the video using other tools.  also, I dont have a dvd burner so i actually can burn a video to vcd format and its not that bad
[03:44] <revolution>  but the thing is that i'm new with us'n kubunti so i don't know much about linux but i'll be back online tomorror gotta attend to my wife for gett'n some if u know what i mean,  :-D  l8tr
[03:50] <mu3en> kubuntu-kde4
[03:51] <hoochymama> what about it
[03:51] <mu3en> it's another forum, grin...
[03:51] <hoochymama> where??  you mean another irc??
[03:52] <mu3en> room, channel, whatever
[03:52] <hoochymama> ok, be right there
[03:53] <hoochymama> not that many people there
[03:53] <hoochymama> seems there is not that many people here as well
[03:54] <mu3en> depends on your location, it's night time for a large bulk of members
[03:54] <mu3en> despite almost 300 online members
[03:54] <hoochymama> gotcha
[03:55] <hoochymama> kde4 is great though.  cant wait till its complete
[03:55] <mu3en> technically it is, you can get support on the kubuntu-kde4 forum
[03:56] <hoochymama> since your there............
[03:56] <mu3en> yes
[03:57] <scoopede> can i install kubuntu 64bit on intel core duo?
[03:57] <dwidmann> scoopede: no, but you can if you have a core 2 duo
[03:57] <mu3en> yes, i have it running on my intel macbook
[03:57] <mu3en> as scoopede says
[03:58] <scoopede> :-( why?
[03:58] <hoochymama>  looking to download kmldonkey but it is asking for libplasma1 instead of the installed version 2
[03:58] <hoochymama> it will be faster...........
[03:58] <dwidmann> scoopede: the core duo had the 64-bit functionality either not included or disabled for some reason or other
[03:59] <mu3en> i guess core duo needs i386
[03:59] <mu3en> and that's in a way more friendly than the 64 bit version
[03:59] <mu3en> depending on the user
[04:00] <hoochymama>  looking to download kmldonkey but it is asking for libplasma1 instead of the installed version 2
[04:01] <hoochymama> or any other gnuttela type software
[04:23] <rabiddachshund> does awn work well with kde?
[04:31] <nature> hello
[04:35] <mu3en> hey nature.
[04:42] <xevious-> 7.10->8.04 upgrade just crashed midway through. the system doesnt realize that it's only 75% upgraded to 8.04 and i can't restart the upgrade tool (because it was removed from /tmp on reboot). what's the best way to resume the upgrade process?
[04:45] <xevious-> i'm currently doing dpkg-reconfigure -a
[04:56] <chipbuddy> i've been downloading themes and icon sets, and i'm pretty happy. but some icons i don't like. how can i add my own icons to the set (really i want to copy the icons from another set). i've found the .icons folder, but how do i navigate it?
[04:57] <mu3en> chipbuddy. the file names define how these icons are used by default. replacing the icon in your currently selected icon set's folder set will replace it. remember there are often various sizes, so you need to replace all the ones you want.
[04:58] <mu3en> for example, the kmenu icon is called kmenu.png in the subfolder ~/.kde/icons/......
[04:58] <chipbuddy> mu3en, i specifically want to change the log off icon, do i need to go through all the folders to find what the name is? or is there some list of names online?
[04:59] <mu3en> maybe you could find a reference online, or you can visually find them in a konqueror layout, or track them down with a search
[04:59] <mu3en> i guess you have a headstart since you know the size of the icons...
[05:01] <turtlewind> hi
[05:02] <turtlewind> I've got a problem with outputting my laptop's display to an external monitor / projector
[05:02] <turtlewind> I'm running Kubuntu 8.04
[05:02] <turtlewind> on a Dell XPS M1330
[05:03] <turtlewind> I can output to a separate monitor under Windows
[05:03] <mu3en> graphics card?
[05:03] <turtlewind> and it works properly while Kubuntu is loading too
[05:03] <mu3en> sounds like xconfig
[05:03] <turtlewind> nvidia - 8400, I think
[05:03] <flaccid_> turtlewind: which driver etc.?
[05:03] <turtlewind> the other thing is I'm running the desktop effects
[05:03] <mu3en> do you have the nvidia driver installed and configured
[05:03] <turtlewind> nvidia drivers
[05:04] <turtlewind> yes
[05:04] <mu3en> what happens when you use the nvidia config tool?
[05:04] <flaccid_> i wouldn't expect it to work with effects
[05:04] <turtlewind> OK
[05:04] <turtlewind> is there a quick way to disable effects for when I'm making a presentation?
[05:04] <flaccid_> turtlewind: this is compiz fusion ?
[05:05] <turtlewind> I think so - it's the standard 'desktop effects' in kubuntu 8.04
[05:05] <flaccid_> turtlewind: kde3 right?
[05:05] <turtlewind> yes
[05:06] <flaccid_> turtlewind: how did you turn it on etc. ?
[05:07] <ubuntu> Hello all, im having some problems with QTparted, it wont let me write partitions to my Harddisk ( my harddisk is completely blank btw, no partitions or anything ), i did manage to write the primary partition but it supposedly writes a swap space but then doesnt recognise it... using kubuntu 7.10
[05:07] <turtlewind> er... it was a while ago, but I remember going through all sorts of nonsense with it, I can't remember what problem I had but I don't think I did it the standard way
[05:08] <mu3en> turtlewind, yeah, sound like compiz
[05:08] <mu3en> ubuntu, I always have to close qt parted completely, physically remove the drive (if external) remount it, and then make the next partition
[05:09] <ubuntu> thats a problem, this HD is not external
[05:09] <turtlewind> I've disabled desktop effects, and it still doesn't work
[05:10] <mu3en> ubuntu, restarts work too in that case...that's a poor answer i know...otherwise the command line seems to work better
[05:10] <mu3en> turtlewind, have you opened nvidia settings?
[05:10] <turtlewind> no, I'll do that now
[05:11] <ubuntu> ok ill try that, thanks anyway mu3en
[05:11] <mu3en> turtlewind, check to see if your external monitor/projector is recognized in there. on some of my machines it will not hotplug and i need to restart the machine with the external connected
[05:11] <turtlewind> sorry... where is nvidia settings?
[05:11] <turtlewind> no, restarting won't help - I tried that before
[05:11] <turtlewind> it was working while kubuntu was loading, but as soon as the login screen appeared it stopped working
[05:12] <mu3en> that's beacuse of x
[05:12] <mu3en> the loadup is before X
[05:12] <mu3en> as as soon as your x settings (and nvidia card) kick in, you won't see it
[05:12] <mu3en> but at least it is probably seen as connected
[05:12] <flaccid_> turtlewind: kwin --replace & is the way to do in konsole. i'll see if there is still a trayicon you can get
[05:12] <mu3en> nvidia settings will allow you to activate it
[05:13] <mu3en> the tray icon still exists flaccid_ i have it running
[05:13] <flaccid_> mu3en: cool. can you specify the pkg name for turtlewind?
[05:14] <mu3en> turtlewind, i think it is called fusion icon, you can find it in adept manager
[05:14] <turtlewind> thanks, I'll look for that
[05:14] <flaccid_> mu3en: can't see it here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=compiz&searchon=names&suite=hardy&section=all
[05:14] <mu3en> turtlewind, i think the command is nvidia_settings
[05:14] <flaccid_> !info fusion-icon
[05:14] <mu3en> cool
[05:14] <flaccid_> didn't come up in search
[05:15] <mu3en> maybe repo issue
[05:15] <chipbuddy> thank mu3en. i figured it out... after copying over the actual icon, i also had to edit this text file
[05:16] <mu3en> chipbuddy, yes, you can do it that way without replacing anything, just edit the description in that definitions file
[05:16] <turtlewind> nvidia-settings is not installed, installing it
[05:16] <mu3en> turtlewind...i think that should help
[05:16] <flaccid_> there is lots on the nvidia config binaries on google and the wiki
[05:17] <mu3en> flaccid, turtlewind, a little too much...really can get confusing with ten solutions to each issue
[05:17] <turtlewind> the nvidia settings worked
[05:17] <turtlewind> there's an option for 'twin view'
[05:18] <mu3en> grin. cool. and lots of cool options
[05:18] <flaccid_> i havnt seen a solution yet mu3en
[05:18] <turtlewind> so I just selected that and it works
[05:18] <mu3en> grin...
[05:18] <flaccid_> havnt seen the x log either..
[05:18] <flaccid_> nor the xorg.conf :)
[05:18] <mu3en> flaccid, seeing is believing...
[05:18] <mu3en> problem solved...
[05:18] <flaccid_> right and im george washington
[05:19] <mu3en> how's that turtlewind?
[05:19] <flaccid_> mu3en: sorry what was your solution and to solve which problem?
[05:20] <mu3en> flaccid_ external projector on nvidia
[05:20] <turtlewind> @muen: I installed nvidia-settings, and selected 'twin view' in that
[05:20] <turtlewind> and it worked
[05:20] <turtlewind> that was with the monitor, off to try on the projector now but I guess it's the same
[05:21] <mu3en> yeah, and you can do all sorts of cool stuff with cloning/split view/positioning etc...
[05:21] <flaccid_> mu3en: and what was the solution?
[05:21] <flaccid_> rightio then
[05:21] <mu3en> flaccid_ see above turtlewind's confirmation
[05:22] <flaccid_> it seems i misunderstood the problem
[05:22] <mu3en> grin, yeah, but the boot sequence and the running nvidia were the giveaway.
[05:23] <mu3en> only cause i've bashed my head against a bunch of externals on a bunch of cards for years...legacy of non standard laptops over and over
[05:23] <flaccid_> what was the nvidia-settings full command run just then out of interest?
[05:23] <mu3en> that's it...it's a GUI...
[05:24] <flaccid_> oh i must be thing nvidia-xconfig or something
[05:24] <mu3en> you can make the same settings changes using commands too though
[05:24] <kairobin> hello kallu
[05:25] <mu3en> yeah...that's it i think
[05:25] <flaccid_> mu3en: ah this is user based and not xorg.conf
[05:26] <turtlewind> @flaccid: nvidia-settings loads a graphical window
[05:26] <turtlewind> then I selected the external monitor, hit 'configure' and chose 'twin view'
[05:26] <mu3en> flaccid_ it edits the xorg.conf too...
[05:26] <turtlewind> it works on the projector too, by the way - thanks to everyone for all the help
[05:27] <flaccid_> mu3en: doesn't say that in the man page. it does mention /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc however
[05:29] <flaccid_> i think maybe global way is sudo nvidia-xconfig --twinview
[05:29] <mu3en> flaccid_ oh, cool, yeah that would make sense. I have a feeling that fro some functions it adds lines...
[05:30] <flaccid_> i dislike the non-standard nature of this but i guess 1 tools is dynamic and 1 is in the xorg.conf
[05:30] <mu3en> mu3en, while for others it would just adjust it's own handling parameters...you can do this all manually by adding lines into the xorg. conf defining the 'twinview' 'position' 'size' etc... before restarting the x server
[05:31] <kairobin> faen
[05:31] <kairobin> hmm something happens
[05:32] <mu3en> flaccid_ that's why it's so confusing...when you come into this thing blank, you have no idea which to edit first, if at all, in what order..etc...
[05:33] <mu3en> flaccid_ thankfully since the last couple of cycles, you can do this all very cleanly through adept manager and this nvidia config
[05:33] <flaccid_> mu3en: yeah totally and im an ati user atm (not by choice). there is official doco on the driver but its hard to find, in fact i'll look now
[05:33] <flaccid_> well the gui tool doesn't write back to xorg.conf but yeah
[05:34] <mu3en> flaccid_ right, ATI, Nvidia, Intel, it's all a little difficult, in my experience, ati has really killed me in the past, nvidia has improved vastly in the last couple of years with their binary driver (thoughts about that aside of course)
[05:35] <flaccid_> i help here alot and forgot a lot of stuff because of this inconsistency but what i do know for sure is that there are decent amount of common problems with all three of them. so it is true to say that video on linux is poort
[05:36] <mu3en> falccid_ confused rather than poor maybe...get it working and, as turtlewind is about to discover i hope, it really does some great stuff
[05:36] <xevious-> my friend's graphics just crapped out because they moved geforce2 drivers into legacy and the driver update didn't realize it had to remove the current nvidia package and install nvidia-legacy
[05:36] <xevious-> he was really confused about that
[05:37] <flaccid_> mu3en: there are many bugs/issues when it is working, thats a fact and well documented
[05:38] <judgen> how do i autostart compiz before i get to the desktop?
[05:38] <flaccid_> !autostart | judgen
[05:38] <judgen> flaccid_: thats what i have allready done.
[05:38] <xevious-> there's a better way with adding some command to $KDE_WM or something
[05:38] <judgen> but i want it to autostart before kde is loaded.
[05:38] <xevious-> i dont use compiz
[05:38] <judgen> or atleast the desktop
[05:39] <mu3en> flaccid_ there are indeed and many of the weirdness could be ironed out. having said that, i don't have the same screen pounding moments as two years back...
[05:39] <flaccid_> well here is the doco http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.12/README/index.html wasn't that hard to find, its linked on their webpage. here is the Twinview chapter: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.12/README/chapter-13.html :)
[05:39] <mu3en> flaccid_ !!! oh man... moment of nostalgia.. !!! thanks for that...
[05:40] <mu3en> i spent like a week in those pages!!!
[05:40] <mu3en> it does work, eventually, as long as you ignore other solutions
[05:40] <flaccid_> yeah ... sweet and i only came across this a few months ago after i guess a few years of helping (i am yet to get an nvidia card myself but i always get friends to choose nvidia)
[05:40] <mu3en> and it's VERY manual
[05:40] <xevious-> why does dpkg-reconfigure -a update fonconfig cache over and over for the same fonts?
[05:41] <mu3en> rebuilds font cache each time i think xevious
[05:41] <flaccid_> mu3en: oh and the last though on the video thing. randr support by the restricted drivers <-- once this is done then thats a vast improvement but really sux now
[05:43] <mu3en> flaccid_ let's see how it goes, if i was good at understanding deep level, it would be cool to learn more about the video output madness...but i guess it's way beyond me: maximum respect to the guys for getting us this far
[05:45] <flaccid_> mu3en: yeah, all i know is that randr is mad if its supported with dual displays
[05:45] <flaccid_> works good with open drivers if no other problems
[05:48] <mu3en> flaccid_ sorry to drag it on, but honestly, having done this on macosx, mswin, and linux bases, linux really does have a credible package.
[05:48] <xevious-> is there a way to full check all dependencies and recover a running installation?
[05:48] <xevious-> s/full/fully
[05:49] <mu3en> flaccid_ *can* look and feel awesome
[05:51] <mu3en> xevious, is it very heavily customized, or are you just looking to get the initial install back? to do that you can find the default package lists on line and run a big install command, could take time, but will get you back to zero. Assuming adept manager is still operational, that can also help.
[05:52] <xevious-> mu3en: it's not customized at all. basic desktop use system. i was just doing a 7.10 to 8.04 upgrade and it crashed midway through
[05:53] <xevious-> now dpkg is throwing errors with hal, hal-cups-utils, kde-guidance-powermanager, kubuntu-desktop, network-manager, network-manager-kde, and system-config-printer-kde
[05:53] <xevious-> whenever i try to do anything with apt, dpkg, aptitude, adept, etc
[05:55] <mu3en> xevious, did you mention the error type?
[05:55] <xevious-> a whole bunch of interrelated dependency problems
[05:57] <foolscreen> Hi there
[05:58] <xevious-> is there a way to download the update manager that gets downloaded with the version upgrade button in adept?
[05:59] <mu3en> xevious, you may need to try and build backwards from those dependencies, but to be honest, one big preoblem will be that many of the packaes in the dpkg run are kind of conflicting now
[05:59] <mu3en> can you still run adept manager graphically?
[05:59] <mu3en> and if so, what does it do?
[05:59] <foolscreen> a basic PyQt signal/slot connection is not working, is it a problem with the Kubuntu PyQt package ?
[05:59] <mu3en> there are repair and fulfill dependency command you can use with apt-get too
[05:59] <foolscreen> this example should work<EMAIL_ADDRESS>) but is not on my computer
[06:00] <foolscreen> i mean is not working
[06:00] <xevious-> adept doesnt show the version upgrade tool
[06:00] <xevious-> if i could get that, i'm sure it would continue where it left off
[06:01] <mu3en> xevious, try running through the instructions for upgrade on the kubuntu site
[06:01] <brandon_> Can anyone help me get a sidewinder gamepad set up?
[06:02] <brandon_> I tried the forums, they seem to be for an older kernel (gamepad setup)
[06:03] <flaccid_> mu3en: os x or win still more reliable in terms of everything working
[06:04] <mu3en> flaccid_ i can't argue with that, 'out of the box' so called is probably a bit more immediate
[06:05] <pgib> is there a way to force the kubuntu install cd into console mode or something? I just get a blank screen after bootstrap
[06:05] <brandon_> Kubuntu 8,04 / I need some help getting a sidewinder gamepad to work Any takers?
[06:05] <harpreet> how do i get 3d desktop on kde 4.1?\
[06:06] <mu3en> pgib are you using alternate install cd?
[06:07] <pgib> no. I didn't anticipate having graphic problems
[06:07] <mu3en> harpreet ask at kubuntu-kde4
[06:07] <pgib> to be honest, I think the CD may be bad.. going to burn another
[06:07] <mu3en> pgib, if ever you have a worry, use the alternate if possible..
[06:07] <pgib> lol, it randomly started going. great
[06:08] <mu3en> pgib there is a bug on some cards that do cause a long period of blank soemtimes in an install
[06:09] <mu3en> brandon_ what does the system settings / mouse & keyboard / joystock tell you?
[06:09] <brandon_> device is not detected
[06:10] <mu3en> brandon_ what about output of lsusb?
[06:10] <flaccid_> yeah google the id from lsusb + ubuntu
[06:10] <brandon_> pci card (serial)
[06:11] <flaccid_> brandon_: get it from lshw
[06:11] <flaccid_> brandon_: much on google: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=ubuntu+sidewinder+gamepad&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[06:11] <brandon_> Sorry but I am a NOOB so you might have to give me more detail
[06:11] <xevious-> this'll confuse hte heck out of this install
[06:11] <xevious-> i'm just replacing sources.list with a default gutsy sources.list
[06:12] <flaccid_> there is a kernel mod for it
[06:12] <brandon_> thanks flaccid but I think that is for 7.10 and it does not seem to work
[06:12] <flaccid_> xevious-: its easier to disable them all in adept and then re-enable what you want :)
[06:12] <flaccid_> brandon_: why does it not work?
[06:13] <brandon_> I might have tried a different one. let me check
[06:13] <flaccid_> and i provided a set of search results, not 1 7.10 link
[06:14] <brandon_> this are for older kernels
[06:14] <brandon_> I have tried and it will not find the device under {js0-4}
[06:15] <brandon_> am I doing something wrong maybe???
[06:15] <flaccid_> brandon_: its for the newest kernel as well: eg. /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/input/joystick/sidewinder.ko
[06:16] <flaccid_> brandon_: what are you trying exactly and what is giving you the error and what is the error exactly. if you generalise we don't know what its actually saying or what you are doing :)
[06:17] <brandon_> when I type the cammands and then do the modprobes. It does not list anything. it just retuns as if I typed nothing at all
[06:17] <xevious-> hah
[06:17] <mu3en> it could be that on a kde level, the change is not refreshed?
[06:17] <xevious-> just got the version upgrade button back
[06:18] <mu3en> xevious, got it?
[06:18] <mu3en> grin
[06:18] <xevious-> let's see how this goes
[06:18] <xevious-> i wish mcdonalds delivered
[06:18] <brandon_> I know I have jscalibrator and joystick installed, I have tried to do the ls modprobe and it shows all modules and gameport is listed but any other modprobe will not list anything
[06:19] <xevious-> mu3en: the key was /etc/lsb_release
[06:19] <flaccid_> brandon_: if thats the case, it means they loaded successfully.
[06:19] <pgib> mcdonalds delivery sounds way too dangerous
[06:19] <xevious-> fuel the epidemic!
[06:19] <mu3en> xevious, in china, they do...grin...
[06:19] <brandon_> But when I go to jscalibrator or joystick. The device is not found.
[06:20] <pgib> I'm going to China
[06:20] <flaccid_> brandon_: so you loaded them successfully. now check dmesg and /var/log/messages
[06:20] <xevious-> oh jeez.
[06:20] <brandon_> how do I do that??
[06:20] <mu3en> xevious, interesting...could you tell me a little more about the solution?
[06:20] <xevious-> apparently i havent successfully fixed anything
[06:20] <xevious-> probably just confused it more
[06:21] <flaccid_> brandon_: type dmesg and check the other logs in ksystemlog
[06:21] <mu3en> xevious, what has happened after the version upgrade button?
[06:21] <xevious-> lots of error messages
[06:21] <brandon_> dme56 ..It says command not found
[06:22] <xevious-> the packages i'm having issues with didnt install successfully then the whole program crashed
[06:22] <flaccid_> xevious-: make sure you have a valid sources.list then do the upgrade from konsole and pastebin the output
[06:22] <flaccid_> brandon_: you might wanna pastebin the log and/or dmesg
[06:22] <xevious-> i'm just gonna boot off a disc and wipe everything except /home and do a fresh install
[06:22] <flaccid_> brandon_: if you have this plugged in serial we need to make sure that serial port is also accessible as a device..
[06:23] <flaccid_> xevious-: thats pretty drastic
[06:23] <xevious-> it'll take less time than trying to fix this
[06:23] <brandon_> how do I do that....sorry such a noob
[06:23] <mu3en> xevious, it is drastic, but if you are confident to do it safely and quickly, it may be cleaner and easier
[06:24] <xevious-> this was originally a 6.04 system i believe
[06:24] <mu3en> xevious, i have not version upgraded since three cycles back after losing my temper the first time i tried. since then i always clean install, with a separate home partition in any case
[06:24] <flaccid_> xevious-: well im happy to help if you decide to try
[06:24] <mu3en> xevious, but i heard some success stories of hardy to gutsy
[06:25] <xevious-> gutsy->hardy?
[06:25] <mu3en> yeah. it was originally installed as gutsy
[06:26] <mu3en> and then upgraded to ahrdy
[06:26] <cpk1> is it possible to have k3b rip to flac?
[06:26] <mu3en> cpk1, is flac installed?
[06:26] <xevious-> i upgraded to hardy just fine on three other gutsy systems
[06:27] <cpk1> mu3en: just realized I didnt have the command line tools =)
[06:27] <mu3en> xevious, yeah, seems to be usually fine
[06:27] <xevious-> can a cd image be burned to a dvd?
[06:27] <xevious-> aside from wasting space, will it work?
[06:27] <flaccid_> xevious-: should do if its an iso9660 or something
[06:27] <mu3en> xevious, but well, if it gets tricky, and you don't need to do major backup and restore work, clean is good too..grin...
[06:28] <mu3en> can a non dvd drive read a dvd burned as a cd?
[06:28] <brandon_> flaccid: are you asking me to bast the log to???
[06:28] <xevious-> kubuntu cd install image. only have dvdr media
[06:28] <brandon_> Paste*
[06:29] <mu3en> xevious, i guess if the drive is combo or dvdrw there might be less issue than cdrw only drive, but i don't really know.
[06:29] <xevious-> it's a dvd burner
[06:31] <mu3en> i figure if you burn it right, it should likely work
[06:31] <xevious-> we'll find out in about 10 minutes
[06:31] <mu3en> cool
[06:32] <xevious-> gonna smoke a cig. bbiab
[06:35] <xevious-> i'm impressed with how well this broken install is working
[06:35] <xevious-> i'm torrenting a cd image and about to burn it
[06:35] <xevious-> i doubt xp half upgraded to vista could do that
[06:38] <brandon_> flaccid: are you still here??
[06:38] <mu3en> hope the burn works
[06:39] <flaccid_> yeah sorry i am, you are not using my current nick so i didn't get a notification..
[06:39] <flaccid> !pastebin | brandon_
[06:40] <brandon_> I will have to chk that out and then give you the information you need to help. thanks guys
[06:40] <flaccid> ok
[06:41] <flaccid> brandon_: if you can pastebin lshw after installing it, that would be great too
[06:42] <brandon_> flaccid: is this what you mean http://paste.ubuntu.com/34998/
[06:43] <brandon_> this is the entire list of modules
[06:43] <xevious-> alright. burning a cd image to a dvd
[06:43] <mu3en> yes
[06:43] <flaccid> brandon_: no i request pastebin of dmesg and /var/log/messages and lshw
[06:43] <Makuseru> !dvd
[06:44] <brandon_> I have the /var/log/messages but how do I find the other 2
[06:44] <xevious-> oh it's going
[06:44] <xevious-> almost done
[06:45] <mu3en> cool
[06:45] <mu3en> brandon type dmesg and lshw in your konsole
[06:45] <xevious-> alright rebooting
[06:45] <xevious-> bbiab hopefully
[06:47] <mu3en> hey flaccid_ do you know anything about running i386 over ltsp off a 64bit server, it's working, but i can't use media codecs, it think because w64codecs is installed instead of w32codecs. probably i need to somehow install these in the chroot
[06:48] <mu3en> flaccid
[06:51] <brandon_> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/35001/  http://paste.ubuntu.com/35002/   http://paste.ubuntu.com/35003/
[06:51] <Makuseru> what folder is the sources.list located in?
[06:52] <mu3en> makuseru /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:52] <Makuseru> thats what i thought, but nothing shows up
[06:53] <mu3en> makuseru, what is your system status?
[06:53] <mu3en> makuseru, normal kde3 kubuntu install?
[06:53] <Makuseru> nevermind, its there, i guess i mispelled something earlier
[06:53] <flaccid> mu3en: hmm can't say that i do, interesting situation..
[06:53] <brandon_> flaccid: i hope this helps. that is deffinitely a lot of info to sort through...
[06:54] <flaccid> brandon_: hehe yeah its normal but, give me a few mins
[06:54] <mu3en> flaccid in my quest for thin client bliss, it's the missing link
[06:54] <brandon_> flaccid: no probelm. I really appreciate the help!
[06:55] <mu3en> flaccid barring of course reinstalling my server as a i386...which is not elegant
[07:03] <xevious-> cd image on a dvd dont work, btw
[07:03] <xevious-> it tries to reference sectors
[07:04] <xevious-> which i'd imagine are quite different on dvds compared to cds
[07:04] <xevious-> found a solitary blank cdr tho
[07:04] <xevious-> take 2
[07:04] <xevious-> hike@
[07:11] <flaccid> brandon_: why are you trying to run this dme56 command that doesn't exist?
[07:11] <brandon_> I thought you told me too
[07:12] <flaccid> negative
[07:12] <brandon_> falccid: my bad
[07:12] <flaccid> brandon_: so this thing is plugged into a pci card which has an rs232 port?
[07:14] <flaccid> (serial db9)
[07:14] <brandon_> falccid:I guess so... It has a plug that looks similiar to the one for my monitor (pins)
[07:15] <brandon_> falccid: I just installed it the other day
[07:15] <xevious-> bouncing around files running on the livecd
[07:15] <brandon_> falccid: I took it out of an older PC.
[07:17] <xevious-> install
[07:17] <xevious-> i love linux :D
[07:18] <xevious-> chatting and browsing the web while installing my OS
[07:19] <faileas> livecd installers are nice like that ;p
[07:19] <xevious-> dude i'm just amazed
[07:19] <flaccid> brandon_: pastebin  ls -l /dev | grep -i ttys
[07:19] <xevious-> i started in the 72 floppy slackware era
[07:19] <brandon_> flaccid: i hope I am helping you find what you need... Excuse my ingorance
[07:20] <faileas> xevious-: actually even within the last 5 years, its gotten so much easier ;p
[07:20] <brandon_> flaccid: should I put that in a Konsole?
[07:20] <flaccid> brandon_: also i can't see you trying to load sidewinder kernel mod in /var/log/messages at all..
[07:20] <flaccid> yeah
[07:22] <flaccid> brandon_: can you also confirm that you have only 1 serial port?
[07:22] <brandon_> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/35008/
[07:23] <brandon_> flaccid: I only have one that this will plug into
[07:24] <brandon_> flaccid: i believe it has 15 pins ( if that helps)
[07:24] <flaccid> ok. brandon_ pastebin mdetect -v
[07:25] <brandon_> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/35009/
[07:26] <flaccid> brandon_: and pastebin your xorg.conf for editing for the mouse
[07:27] <flaccid> the mouse definately has to be on /dev/ttyS0 so i'll check xorg.conf and then plug n pray i guess
[07:27] <flaccid> (well after i've edited the xorg.conf, its not plug n play or anything ,its the opposite)
[07:30] <brandon_> flaccid: remind me where that is.. it will be faster
[07:30] <flaccid> brandon_:  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:32] <brandon_> flaccid:http://paste.ubuntu.com/35010/
[07:35] <flaccid> brandon_: woops i asked for the wrong one but that helps to verify some stuff. i mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:35] <brandon_> flaccid: ok jst a second
[07:36] <flaccid> brandon_: i have to run. you basically have to set the mouse in your xorg.conf like how it is on here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=206467 using Option "Device" "/dev/ttyS0" in
[07:36] <flaccid> Section "InputDevice"
[07:36] <flaccid> Identifier "Configured Mouse"
[07:36] <flaccid> i gtg but will be back in 1-2 hours
[07:36] <flaccid> sorry
[07:37] <brandon_> flaccid that's ok Thanks
[07:38] <brandon_> flaccid: here it is any way http://paste.ubuntu.com/35011/
[07:42] <xevious-> full install: 20 minutes on a sub 1ghz system
[07:42] <xevious-> nice
[07:42] <brandon_> flaccid: if you're still here, the plug on this is not round it is rectangular like the plug to my flat panel (vga I guess)
[07:46] <mu3en> xevious, nice.
[08:13] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
[08:14] <FuriousGeorge> im thinking about mass deployment...  its actually only 5 identical computers, but it feels pretty mass to me
[08:15] <faileas> lol
[08:15] <FuriousGeorge> i was thinking i could just use dd to do it, then delete certain files, like the udev rules which associates a network interface  with a mac address
[08:15] <FuriousGeorge> does this sound sane
[08:16] <faileas> dd is fairly slow IIRC
[08:16] <FuriousGeorge> im not to worried about speed with sataII drives
[08:16] <simon__> Hallo can anyone help me?
[08:17] <simon__> Is there a Ubuntu specialist. !!
[08:17]  * faileas thinks unless you have very specific hardware on all of them OEM install off the alternate disks seems the most sane way of doing it
[08:17] <FuriousGeorge> faileas: i do have specific hardware
[08:17] <FuriousGeorge> and dont forget there is some configuration
[08:18] <simon__> Does any off you guys know where i can find commands to the Terminal ?
[08:18] <FuriousGeorge> simon__: lol
[08:18] <faileas> most of my systems never really needed too much ;p
[08:18] <simon__> Why
[08:18] <simon__> ?
[08:18] <faileas> simon__: well, what kinda commands?
[08:18] <faileas> the basics?
[08:18] <FuriousGeorge> faileas: not too much time 5 is something
[08:18] <FuriousGeorge> simon__: try googling something like "bash howto"
[08:19] <FuriousGeorge> or "bash tutorial"
[08:19] <simon__> Ok great thx ..
[08:19] <simon__> thanks
[08:19] <FuriousGeorge> if you really want to learn about linux, google is definitely your friend
[08:19] <FuriousGeorge> you can even try www.google.com/linux
[08:20] <grassone> hi
[08:20] <simon__> Thanks George :)
[08:23] <_2> !cli | faileas
[08:23] <faileas> _2 : i'm finr with it, i'm wondering what exatly he needed
[08:24] <_2> yeah just posting a resource that the ubuntu team has sanctioned.
[08:24] <FuriousGeorge> simon__: you know something that's cool about bash:  let's say i have a bunch of data over here on a slow computer that i want to compress and backup across the network.  i can do something like
[08:24] <FuriousGeorge> tar cp /home/stan | ssh fast_computer "gzip -9| cat - >> /home/stan/backup.tar.gz"
[08:25] <FuriousGeorge> thereby using the fast computer to compress and only using the slow computer to tar it up and send it across the network
[08:25] <_2> FuriousGeorge lol  that's so bloated :)))
[08:26] <FuriousGeorge> _2: you can do it with less?  cool
[08:29] <_2> no i didn't say i could shorten it.   just like the way you did it.  that's all
[08:30] <unclean> Hey everyone , I'm trying to free up disk space I Was wonder if there are any programs that measure files that take up the most
[08:31] <_2> well actually i think maybe cat can be omitted, but haven't tried it.    it's still "kold"  :)))
[08:31] <_2> unclean du
[08:32] <unclean> du?
[08:32] <_2> that's what you asked for
[08:32] <_2> du -sh .
[08:32] <_2> man du
[08:33] <mu3en> unclean. konqueror has file size view. that's pretty cool
[08:34] <FuriousGeorge> unclean, to find files of at least one gigabyte i do something like du -h|grep G
[08:34] <FuriousGeorge> but that will also catch files with a capital G in the filename
[08:34] <FuriousGeorge> * du -h /var |grep G
[08:35] <FuriousGeorge> will also catch directories with a G worth of files in them
[08:35] <FuriousGeorge> iirc
[08:35] <_2> or find /base/dir -size #
[08:38] <mu3en> unclean, with file size view you can just see what's big and delete it...
[08:38] <mu3en> even folder by folder
[08:38] <FuriousGeorge> so heres what im thinking of doing then...  m gonna set up one pc how i want it, then im going to dd from one drive to another to clone it.  after i do that, i'm gonna delete dirs like /dev/ /proc/ and /sys/, as well as files like my ssh host keys...
[08:38] <FuriousGeorge> then i change the hostname and voila
[08:38] <crazy_bus> I knows theres a lot of problems with pulseaudio.  But I still can't get my microphone working (it worked in all previous kubuntu's) The volume is set right up and I've tried all the different devices in audacity but it still wont work
[08:38] <FuriousGeorge> anyone see why that wouldnt work?
[08:39] <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: do you see anything in the log to indicate what the problem might be
[08:40] <dwidmann> FuriousGeorge: may want to change the UUID of the new partition after doing that
[08:40] <FuriousGeorge> dwidmann: wouldnt that be in dev?
[08:40] <crazy_bus> FuriousGeorge: what would I be looking for?
[08:40] <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: try this
[08:40] <FuriousGeorge> open up a console
[08:41] <FuriousGeorge> sudo tail -fn 1000 /var/log/messages
[08:41] <unclean> i dont know whats going on I have a 40gb HD all I did was install Ubuntu-Kubuntu-Battle For Wesnoth now I have 600mbs left??
[08:41] <dwidmann> FuriousGeorge: I don't think so
[08:42] <_2> FuriousGeorge why delete dirs ?
[08:42] <dwidmann> unclean: install and run filelight, it'll tell you where your used space is
[08:42] <FuriousGeorge> dwidmann: im pretty sure the kernel just reads that off the disk somehow
[08:42] <FuriousGeorge> _2: adapting this howto http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Custom_Stage4
[08:42] <FuriousGeorge> to my need
[08:42] <_2> FuriousGeorge but no need to delete /proc /sys /tmp ...
[08:43] <dwidmann> FuriousGeorge: uuid is the partitions unique identifer ... it'll throw the kernel for a  hell of a loop if you try to mount two partitions with the same uuid.
[08:43] <FuriousGeorge> _2: well, if i use dd, i dont think i can exclude them like with tar in that other howto
[08:43] <crazy_bus> FuriousGeorge: nothing recently to do with audacity
[08:43] <crazy_bus> or any other related audio things
[08:44] <_2> FuriousGeorge correct tar would copy the content in ram  but dd will not.      tar will unless you use --one-filesystem     or what ever the switch is.
[08:44] <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: are you trying to do things, like record audio, that might indicate what goes on
[08:44] <crazy_bus> FuriousGeorge: yes
[08:44] <faileas> er
[08:44] <faileas> i recall seeing DD copy stuff off ram
[08:44] <FuriousGeorge> dwidmann: i see your point, but why doesnt this howto address that http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Custom_Stage4
[08:44] <FuriousGeorge> ive done that before and it works
[08:45] <_2> FuriousGeorge NOTE  if the drives are not the same size (block and total) dd will not work like you want it to.
[08:45] <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: any idea what hardware you have?
[08:45] <FuriousGeorge> and what kernel module it wants to use?
[08:45]  * faileas thought tar was file level, dd was block level
[08:45] <dwidmann> FuriousGeorge: what is the partition type in question, and I'll tell you how to change the uuid
[08:45] <_2> dd makes exact copy    white space and all.
[08:45] <crazy_bus> FuriousGeorge: card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog]
[08:46] <_2> faileas yes exactly.
[08:46] <faileas> there's easier tools for copying a drive though...
[08:46] <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: can you find out what kernel modules is supposed to be used with that?
[08:46] <faileas> partimage?
[08:47] <FuriousGeorge> faileas: i would need to do one partition at a time, make all the partitions first, etc
[08:47] <_2> faileas still copies blank space also... so still slower than doing the work at the fs level
[08:47] <FuriousGeorge> whereas. since i have identical hardware, i have a unique opportunity to use dd, no?
[08:47] <_2> FuriousGeorge yes
[08:48] <FuriousGeorge> _2: but its still way fast enough when we are talking about two sata drives
[08:48] <unclean> My /home/unclean/.strigi/ has 30gb what the heck is that??
[08:48] <faileas> _2: my first suggestion was a fresh install on each ;p
[08:49] <FuriousGeorge> unclean: do what _2 recommended or du -h /home/unclean/.sting
[08:49] <_2> FuriousGeorge fast enough is a relative term.  if it works for you, i'm fine with it.    and setting the bs= correctly will greatly improve it.
[08:49] <FuriousGeorge> _2: whats a good bs to use these days?  4096?
[08:49] <crazy_bus> FuriousGeorge: where should I look to find out?
[08:49] <_2> unclean   find /home/ -size 10M 2>/dev/null
[08:50] <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: google something like kernel module <<hardware>>
[08:50] <_2> unclean note i used an arbitrary 10M you could specify any lower limit
[08:50] <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: or maybe it will jump out at you in the output of sudo lsmod
[08:51] <crazy_bus> FuriousGeorge: is it snd_hda_intel
[08:52] <dwidmann> FuriousGeorge: tune2fs /dev/blah -U $(uuidgen) - xfsa ---------- xfs_admin -U generate -------- reiserfstune -u $(uuidgen) ...
[08:52] <unclean> that command sets it to 10 mbs?
[08:52] <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: just a quick sanity check, did you verify that the device wasnt muted
[08:52] <_2> FuriousGeorge the actual bs of the disk in question.   see ecery "block device" does all it's read/writing a full block at a time.  thus if you tell dd to use it's default "512 bytes" it will have to write each block several times to complete each block  if you tell dd to use the actual bs of the device then it will write the full block and move to the next, thereby greatly improving performance.
[08:52] <FuriousGeorge> dwidmann: thanks, that could come in handy
[08:53] <crazy_bus> FuriousGeorge: yes, all the lights are red in kmix and volume right up
[08:53] <_2> FuriousGeorge most hdd's are either 2 or 4 k
[08:54] <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: try something like dmesg|grep <<audio_hardware>>
[08:55] <FuriousGeorge> or sudo cat /var/log/messages |grep -i <<audio_hardware>
[08:57] <FuriousGeorge> dwidmann: wait, why would i need to change the uuid?  the drive is going in another computer
[08:57] <crazy_bus> I can't find much: iTCO_wdt: Found a ICH8 or ICH8R TCO device (Version=2, TCOBASE=0x0860)
[08:57] <dwidmann> FuriousGeorge: oh, it is? ... still probably not a bad idea.
[08:57] <dwidmann> just in case they should ever come back together :)
[08:58] <FuriousGeorge> also, i guess since ill be using an identical kernel, i dont have to delte /proc and /sys on the destination pc
[08:58] <FuriousGeorge> ditto for identical hardware and /dev
[08:59] <dwidmann> FuriousGeorge: /dev and /proc are "special" filesystems
[08:59] <crazy_bus> FuriousGeorge: I think this is my problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/192382
[08:59] <dwidmann> I think a lot if not all of it is generated at boot
[09:00] <FuriousGeorge> dwidmann: what about /sys
[09:00] <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: how did you figure that out?
[09:01] <crazy_bus> well I'm not sure, but similar cards, microphone stopped working in hardy
[09:02] <FuriousGeorge> any workaround there for you?
[09:02] <FuriousGeorge> besides downgrading?
[09:02] <ScorpKing> hiya dwidmann
[09:02] <crazy_bus> downgrade, upgrade or compile alsa myself
[09:02] <dwidmann> hey ScorpKing, how are you?
[09:02] <_2> while we are on intel hda  any chance that dapper can support that ?    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d55f6c31e
[09:02] <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: the last option sounds not too hard
[09:02] <ScorpKing> crazy_bus: compiling alsa isn't to difficult
[09:03] <dwidmann> FuriousGeorge: /sys too
[09:03] <ScorpKing> dwidmann: not to bad thanks :)
[09:03] <dwidmann> good to hear :)
[09:03]  * dwidmann moves to OT
[09:04] <FuriousGeorge> cp -rp is real slow across two disks with reiserfs source and destination
[09:04] <FuriousGeorge> i have tens of thousands of 1MB files
[09:05] <ScorpKing> !sound
[09:05] <ScorpKing> hmm..
[09:06] <ScorpKing> _2: take a look on the alsa website if it's supported
[09:06] <_2> ScorpKing in other words compile latest alsa
[09:06] <_2> for each kernel update...
[09:07] <ScorpKing> _2: alsactl -v will show what version is installed
[09:08] <_2> yeah.  and  ?   alsactl version 1.0.10
[09:08] <ScorpKing> _2: if you try to compile a different version things can get complicated. most of the time it's just compling alsa with hdaintel support
[09:09] <ScorpKing> !hdaintel
[09:09] <ScorpKing> that should help
[09:09] <ScorpKing> _2: if you donwload the alsa source download v1.0.10
[09:09] <ScorpKing> download*
[09:10] <_2> "Update to the Latest Version of ALSA" <<<-
[09:10] <ScorpKing> _2: and then you get dependancy hell. i suggest you try v1.0.10 first
[09:11] <_2> i'm just quoting the page.
[09:11] <flaccid> brandon_: yeah it should be serial rs232 db9 (pin connector)
[09:12] <crazy_bus> I'm trying something from the bug page which is sudo module-assistant a-i alsa-source  Then I'm trying that page if it doesn't work
[09:13] <antoniodidato> ciao
[09:15] <FuriousGeorge> Aug  7 04:14:21 isabel htop: Oh, oh, it's an error! possibly I die!
[09:15] <flaccid> brandon_: give us an update when you available
[09:17] <_2> could it be that mine is not an intel hda ???            *-multimedia
[09:17] <_2>              description: Multimedia controller
[09:17] <_2>              product: ATI Technologies Inc
[09:17] <_2>              vendor: ATI Technologies Inc
[09:18] <_2> that's very little information for me to assume intel_hda on.
[09:18] <ScorpKing> _2: from that page - cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
[09:19] <crazy_bus> *restarting to test sound*
[09:19] <_2> but wont that be dependant on the driver installed ?
[09:19] <_2> and cat | grep is "useless use of cat"
[09:19] <flaccid> _2: doesn't look like intel to me
[09:19] <FuriousGeorge> im getting about 2.5 megs a minute using cp from one drive to another right now...  doesnt that seem too slow by  a factor of 10 or so
[09:20] <_2> flaccid i know.  that's why i'm wondering why the hda driver is inserted
[09:20] <flaccid> _2: pastebin lspci out of interest for me?
[09:20] <_2> k...  no switches ?
[09:21] <_2>  /proc/asound/card0/codec#0:Codec: Generic 11c1 ID 1040
[09:21] <_2>  /proc/asound/card0/codec#3:Codec: Realtek ID 862
[09:22] <_2> flaccid here's the long and short of it.  in that order. http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d54434cf5 http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3207ab9c
[09:22] <flaccid> i just like to look at full thing in case its a notebook to which amd are doing like all amd components <--eg.
[09:23] <flaccid> which is kind of like how this one is. you have heaps of unknown stuff which means no driver detected from kernel/mods
[09:23] <_2> oh it's a lappy  and all ati
[09:24] <_2> if it hadn't been free, i wouldn't have bought it :)
[09:24] <flaccid> true. well the support is clearly totally lax
[09:25] <flaccid> i think the more recent amd notebooks its better
[09:26] <_2> so why am i not seeing any sound device in that lspci ?
[09:26] <crazy_bus> sign..... now all sound is broken :)
[09:26] <crazy_bus> *sigh
[09:26] <flaccid> _2: no driver so didn't detect correctly.. it could be on of the unknowns
[09:28] <_2> but there is a driver inserted  snd-hda  and audio playback works....
[09:28] <_2> anymore thought ?
[09:28] <flaccid> what connectivity is the soundcard?
[09:29] <_2> onboard   "lappy"
[09:29] <_2> lsmod | grep snd | pastebin
[09:29] <_2> reading standard input
[09:29] <_2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d39290076
[09:29] <flaccid> ah right so probably not pci
[09:30] <_2> and i have almost no control over the audio device.   alsamixer gives two adjustments  main and igain
[09:30] <tungvs> quit
[09:31] <_2> lshw gives info on it.  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d2010dd3
[09:31] <flaccid> _2: pastebin aplay -v /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Beep_Beep.wav
[09:31] <_2> but not much to go on.
[09:32] <_2> aplay -v /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Beep_Beep.wav 2>&1 | pastebin
[09:32] <_2> reading standard input
[09:32] <_2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=dfa7ade3
[09:33] <flaccid> you have a command called pastebin ? i would usually use pastebinit
[09:34] <flaccid> _2: maybe they can just use the same driver ie. it says Hardware PCM card 0 'HDA ATI SB' device 0 subdevice 0
[09:34] <_2> flaccid yeah, script i wrote.   pastebinit is not in dapper backports   and it was only writen this year...
[09:35] <flaccid> coolio
[09:35] <_2> flaccid yes i saw that.   and was also wondering if sb live would work in place of hda  ???
[09:36] <_2> anything that will add some control over the output and get input working
[09:36] <flaccid> i have no idea really. this could be because of lack of ati support. can you pastebin cat /proc/asound/cards  and also im trying to remember that alsa command to list cards
[09:37] <_2> pasting file /proc/asound/cards
[09:37] <_2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6a16dcda
[09:37] <kushou> hi guys
[09:37] <_2> kushou
[09:37] <kushou> yes ?
[09:38] <_2> aplay -l | pastebin
[09:38] <_2> reading standard input
[09:38] <_2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d46fc2a7b
[09:39] <flaccid> _2: by control, you mean you want to be able to control volume/master?
[09:39] <flaccid> ah hda generic. maybe they just go under hda-intel always
[09:39] <_2> flaccid alsamixer has two adjustments in it.  main and igain
[09:40] <flaccid> well you can use set master channel with kmix and set it to main and done.
[09:40] <_2> and seeing that input doesn't work   there is one working slider   main
[09:40] <flaccid> right
[09:40] <flaccid> you could google search all the names in the things we looked up like hda ati etc. and see if you can find people doing something about it
[09:40] <_2> no way to set pcm and cd seperately
[09:41] <flaccid> yeah so probably limitation with the support of the hardware. ie. its closed and thats all the driver can do with this card
[09:41] <flaccid> its also possible that you are on an older version of the driver as you are using an older linux/release
[09:42] <_2> flaccid k.   well i was just wondering if there was a chance i was using the wrong module.     and i'll also look into building the latest alsa
[09:43] <flaccid> _2: well you might need a later kernel at its a kernel mod. i reckon it wouldn't work or detect or use it or anything if it was the wrong driver. i don't see how it would work if its the wrong driver
[09:44] <_2> "not very well"  maybe ?
[09:45] <_2> but i think you have probably eliminated that possability with the aplay -v
[09:45] <flaccid> well im pretty sure that ids of some kind would have to match up etc. to be able to allocate it
[09:46] <flaccid> check how its assigned in /var/log/messages or dmesg..
[09:46] <_2> dmesg is void of info on snd
[09:46] <_2> [17186057.792000] hda-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPIB read method instead.
[09:47] <_2> that's all it has on hda
[09:48] <flaccid> there is a bit on google about that but yeah, i think its a case of lack of support because of ati etc.
[09:48] <_2> k thanks.  i'll push that to the back burner.
[09:49] <flaccid> its like, we have a new hd radeon driver for linux bla bla, we are good becaue of linux support, but reality is for other components there is not much and fglrx is badly supported by ati and has many issues
[09:49] <crazy_bus> I finally got the microphone to work.  Is it true that you have to compile kopete to use voice chat and google talk?
[09:49] <flaccid> crazy_bus: its untrue afaik
[09:50] <_2> !voip
[09:50] <_2> pfft
[09:52] <Obsoletist_> Crazy: If nothing else, Skype has a very good Linux version, though if your a purist you will resent the fact that it's proprietary...it's so convenient that I suck it up and drive on with it, myself :)
[09:52] <_2> flaccid something you said clicked.    i had pcm control with the i386 kernel.   but no vidio support with i385   so i had to up to i686 for vidio and lost one of the three controls plus input/mic    ....   it's got to be a "kernel issue/driver support issue"
[09:52] <mu3en> not sure about voice, but gtalk is fine in kopete for sure
[09:53] <_2> s_5_6_g
[09:54] <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: sounds true.  how did you get it working?  compiled alsa?
[09:55] <MetaMorfoziS> Hi all
[09:55] <Obsoletist_> Hi Meta
[09:55] <MetaMorfoziS> How can i prevet a module froom loading at boot?
[09:55]  * _2 wonders if he could use a k8 kernel without having to change libc and the rest of the system
[09:55] <MetaMorfoziS> I don't want to blacklist it
[09:55] <MetaMorfoziS> because if i need that i wan't to load that, but i don't want it by default
[09:56] <_2> MetaMorfoziS remove it from the initramfs.img ?
[09:56] <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: i do notice a "jingle" use flag in gentoo
[09:56] <MetaMorfoziS> how?
[09:56] <FuriousGeorge> jingle=gtalk voice
[09:57] <Obsoletist_> Meta, is said module an applet or application? If so, is it on your panel, on the bottom right of your screen?
[09:57] <_2> MetaMorfoziS one question first,   or maybe three.   what module and would it not suit your need to simply remover after it's inserted ?
[09:57] <MetaMorfoziS> kernel module
[09:57] <mu3en> gingle? grin...
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[09:57] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, the removing after boot also good
[09:57]  * Obsoletist_ washes his hands of meta's problem...it is over his head!
[09:57] <MetaMorfoziS> just i don't want to rmmod by hand everytime
[09:57] <Obsoletist_> Meta, sorry!
[09:57] <MetaMorfoziS> Np
[09:58] <_2> MetaMorfoziS put in /etc/rc.local   modprobe -r modulename
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> _2: couldnt you just blacklist it
[09:58] <_2> ActionParsnip he specified "not to blacklist"
[09:58] <mu3en> actionparsnip, see above, he still wants it sometimes
[09:58] <MetaMorfoziS> okay, thanks
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> mu3en: ive come in mid convo, theres not a lot of "above" ;)
[09:59] <MetaMorfoziS> ActionParsnip > yeh, because i don't need bluetooth, wifi, webcam etc after every boot
[09:59] <MetaMorfoziS> but if i need them then i ned to unblacklist them
[09:59] <_2> i'm just looking for the most simple way to get to the specified end.
[09:59] <MetaMorfoziS> if i uses blacklist... the rc.local soution is very nice, i'm doing that now:)
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> MetaMorfoziS: why not just have the modules loaded? They dont do any harm
[09:59] <MetaMorfoziS> and hal-disable-polling --device /dev/cdrom etc also can be putted here
[09:59] <MetaMorfoziS> ActionParsnip > it's a notebook
[09:59] <MetaMorfoziS> it's an eeepc
[09:59] <MetaMorfoziS> it matters:)
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> MetaMorfoziS: how much ram you got?
[10:00] <MetaMorfoziS> not in ram
[10:00] <MetaMorfoziS> in battery
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> MetaMorfoziS: i have an eee pc too
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> MetaMorfoziS: oic
[10:00] <MetaMorfoziS> anyyways 1gb ddr2 @ 667mhz
[10:00] <MetaMorfoziS> it's an 1000
[10:00] <MetaMorfoziS> h
[10:00] <_2> ActionParsnip well.   in some cases that may not be true. "they don't do any harm"  only if they don't allow access to something that you need to protect, and they don't interfear with something else...
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> can anyone help with a command line. I have a script by Agent_bob which takes a string arguement and states if its a kde app or gnome app
[10:02] <_2> ActionParsnip and ?
[10:02] <_2> ActionParsnip it should also take piped input
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> if i run dpkg --get-selections, I can see all my installed gubbins but would like to feed this to the afore mentioned script to get some intelligent output on ALL my installed apps
[10:02] <_2> if i know Agent_bob...  :)
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> thats what im after but am unfamiliar with the syntax, can you advise
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> its a simple shell script
[10:04] <_2> ActionParsnip   dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 | "your_script"
[10:04] <_2> if i know Agent_bob...  :)))
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> _2: awesome duder, whats that cut f1 bit?
[10:05] <_2> run it without the last pipe to see
[10:05] <_2> dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> ahh it hacks the app name (first colomn) from the list
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> i get it now
[10:06] <_2> :)
[10:06] <_2> cut    is a very handy tool
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> i was looking at some exec "scipt name" {} \;
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> but its a no go
[10:06] <_2> yeah find would be more or less useless there.
[10:07] <MetaMorfoziS> okay, i try the rc.local stuff, brb:)
[10:07] <_2> if i know Agent_bob that is...  :)
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> _2: apparently so :)\
[10:07] <_2> i'm pretty familear with his scripts
[10:07] <crazy_bus_> Is it true that you have to compile kopete to use voice chat and google talk? (sorry my connection dropped out)
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> hehe ;)
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> sneaky
[10:08] <Agent_bob> crazy_bus_ you looking for someone to say "yes it is"  ?
[10:09] <crazy_bus_> my connection did drop out so I don't know if anyone replied
[10:09] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip not really.  do you remember yestergo i pm'd you that  _2 == Agent_bob   :)
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> yeah but ive drank and slept since then :)\
[10:09] <lokai_lin> Hm, I have a python question and I can't seem to join #python
[10:09] <lokai_lin> Would it be appropriate if I asked it here?
[10:10] <Agent_bob> crazy_bus_  the answer was no.  but that was an imperfect answer containing some douby.
[10:10] <Agent_bob> doubt
[10:10] <crazy_bus_> is it hard to compile or should I try psi (or does that require a compile for jingle too?)
[10:11] <flaccid> Agent_bob: interesting. i reckon you should launch a bug on lp to see how people can help/confirm this issue
 crazy_bus: its untrue afaik <<>> <Obsoletist_> Crazy: If nothing else, Skype has a very good Linux version, though if your a purist you will resent the fact that it's proprietary...it's so convenient that I suck it up and drive on with it, myself :)  <<>> <mu3en> not sure about voice, but gtalk is fine in kopete for sure  <<>> <FuriousGeorge> crazy_bus: sounds true.  how did you get it working?  compiled alsa?
[10:13] <Agent_bob> flaccid are dapper bugs still taken seriously ?
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: my brain does this when i wake up: find /dev/mind/memory/* -mtime +2 -exec rm {} \;
[10:14] <Agent_bob> lol
[10:14] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip understood.
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> hehe
[10:14] <crazy_bus_> FuriousGeorge: yes compiling alsa with sudo module-assistant a-i alsa-source seemed to make it work
[10:15] <Agent_bob> crazy_bus_   that was for you  ^
[10:15] <Agent_bob> reposted what you missed.
[10:15] <crazy_bus_> thanks,
[10:15] <crazy_bus_> to respond to them I've tried skype, but the other person is on dialup for a week and it's not working for them
[10:16] <Agent_bob> dialup doesn't work for me either....  but i'm on it.
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> dialup is great for email and chatting
[10:17] <faileas> eww
[10:17] <faileas> dialup
[10:17] <Agent_bob> not so great if the email has pic'ies
[10:17] <harmental80> hey guys..how can i save an embedded pdf with konqueror?
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: true enough, but no matter how fast your line is the same trolls will send yuo packets of annnoyance, just a little slower
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> harmental80: right click it maybe?
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> harmental80: i use rox so i dont really know
[10:18] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip lol   well said.   but that wasn't what i meant actually.   although one reason i dropped use of email was the spam content
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> tasty spam
[10:19] <harmental80> ActionParsnip: nop...it doesnt work...all i get i "add bookmark"
[10:20] <Agent_bob> actually i don't think i exist.   no email address, no snail mail address, no phone, no credit card, no tax information...   and they say ananimity doesn't exist anymore...
[10:20] <Obsoletist> Agent Bob, you are living the DREAM
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: so no Spam, egg, spam, spam, bacon and spam
[10:21] <Agent_bob> Obsoletist only differance between a dream and a nightmare is one thought...
[10:21] <Obsoletist> Hey...dream, nightmare, at least your sleeping
[10:21] <Agent_bob> :)
[10:21] <Obsoletist> Sleep is wonderful
[10:22] <crazy_bus_> so is there any voice things that will work when one person has dialup?
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> beer + warm room == sleep
[10:22] <legycsapo> hi all
[10:22] <Obsoletist> Please...speak not of beer
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> hi legycsapo
[10:22] <legycsapo> what is this: MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC !!!???
[10:22] <_2> Obsoletist vodca ?
[10:22] <mu3en> crazy_bus: a phone call?
[10:22] <Obsoletist> Crazy_Bus, It costs a little money, but it's cheaper than a phone card
[10:22] <Obsoletist> ...Skype!
[10:23] <crazy_bus_> :)
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> legycsapo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=191355
[10:23] <Obsoletist> _2 Even worse.  <I am in a DRY ENVIRONMENT>
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> _2: JimBeam / Woodford Reserve here dude
[10:24] <Obsoletist> Anyone who likes booze: Sailor Jerry's Spiced Navy Rum
[10:24] <gnumm> is there something like google gadgets for kubuntu?
[10:24] <_2> what's that south of the border drink with the worm in it.... ?
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> _2: TEQUILLA!!
[10:24] <_2> who ?
[10:24] <_2> :)))
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> Obsoletist: i find sailor Jerrys a bit sweet
[10:25] <flaccid> _2: not sure what you mean with first comment. only dapper security bugs are taken serious
[10:25] <flaccid> generally
[10:25] <_2> flaccid ok.   thanks.    and that's not a security issue at all.
[10:25] <flaccid> whats with two nicks _2?
[10:26] <Obsoletist> ActionParsnip: That's part of its charm, it is like liquid candy that isn't sickening, like schnapps is...
[10:26] <mu3en> don't like gin don't like tonic...i like the captain with...
[10:27] <_2> it's a reset thang.   for the most part.   isp does a hickup it changes seemlessly,   but also a location thing.  i can keep up with where in the logs i am by the nicks i use.
[10:27] <_2> @ flaccid
[10:27] <gnumm> what is the best program to have widgets on the desktop?
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> Obsoletist: i prefer bourbons and rums
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> gnumm: do you mean like desklet apps tat float around the place?
[10:28] <gnumm> ActionParsnip: something like these google gadgets
[10:28] <_2> gnumm best is one of those "off colour" words in linux circles
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> gnumm: let me find out what that is
[10:28] <Obsoletist> ActionParsnip: Nice once in a while, but I haven't developed a taste for bourbon yet.  Wine is a completely different story, and beer is an old standby
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> Obsoletist: oh hell yeah, king cobra for me please
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> gnumm: do you run kde4?
[10:29] <gnumm> no kde3
[10:29] <_2> gnumm generally you'll get better and more intelagable response from something like  "what can one use..  or what are my options..."  than you will with "what is best"
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> gnumm: if you get kde4 then you can add all sorts of stuff like that
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> gnumm: http://vishnus.name/blog/files/vishnu_yahoowidgetmemoryuse.jpg
[10:30] <_2> just an "fyi"
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> gnumm: google thingys on windows
[10:30] <gnumm> _2: ok
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> gnumm: http://blog.nixternal.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/kde4fun.png
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> gnumm: kde4 with desktop thingys
[10:31]  * ActionParsnip thinks it looks cluttered
[10:31] <gnumm> thanks
[10:31] <gnumm> one question about kde 4
[10:31] <gnumm> intrepid comes with kde4.1
[10:31] <gnumm> will kde 4.2 be in backports?
[10:32] <_2> heh ActionParsnip i think a desktop looks cluttered if it has a panel or an icon on it... :)
[10:32] <Jucato> gnumm: that depends. 4.2 will be released in January. so maybe in backports, or maybe in the usual PPA
[10:32] <mu3en> _2 true true
[10:32] <_2> Jucato !
[10:32] <Jucato> hey binary
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> gnumm: no idea dude, id imagine. I use fluxbox
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> _2: me too, yakuake al lthe way for me :)
[10:33] <_2> ActionParsnip i like yakuake ok, if i could just get rid of that bottom bar it has.
[10:34] <Jucato> gnumm: if you meant desktop widgets/applets on KDE 3.5, you can use superkaramba
[10:34] <Jucato> !superkaramba | gnumm
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> _2: oh where it says blah blah kde terminal editor
[10:34] <_2> yes
[10:34] <gnumm> Jucato: thanks
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> Jucato: nice one
[10:35] <_2> ActionParsnip yes the title bar   which is not at top but at bottom.
[10:35] <gnumm> i need things like cpu temp, free ram etc...
[10:35] <gnumm> as widgets
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> _2: i know what you mean. i was looking to remove it but then i figured it wasnt worth the bother and played frets on fire instead BAM!
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> gnumm: yeak superkaramba does that
[10:36] <gnumm> ok
[10:37] <_2> flaccid like that hickup.    "woops i'm not here anymore... ah i'm back."
[10:37] <_2> only that was a local one and not isp'ish
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> _2: why dont you just stay as bob or _2?
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> or be Agent_bob_2 ;)
[10:40] <_2> because it ends up as bAgent_bo > obAgent_b > bobAgent_ ...   and that seems to be hard coded into bx  that if the nick is taken it transposes chars. so i set a default and an alternate nick which gives the client a chance to ghost the other nick before using it.
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> _2: really, haha thats crazy
[10:41] <_2> yeah well i didn't write it.
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> indeed
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> mind you pidgin changes my nick to ActionParsni1 if im logged in at home and on my work lappy
[10:42] <_2> yep.  all irc clients have some system for alternate nicks...
[10:43] <_2> some use nick()+_
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> yeah thats what they have in the settings as alernatives
[10:43] <_2> _2_
[10:43] <_2> _2__
[10:45] <_2> i use three nicks that are all registered to one account and thus i don't end up with *___ and not identified...   and i also have a beef against the *___ approach it's hard for me to tab complete that   or actually  i can't   bx doesn't handle that well at all.   it lists all possable matches rather than cycling through them
[10:46] <_2> da<tab> yelds two lines as follows
[10:46] <_2> [Daisuke_Laptop ] [dak            ] [Daisuke_Ido    ] [DarkWizzard    ]
[10:47] <_2> [DarthFrog      ] [Daviey         ] [               ] [               ]
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> _2: pidgin does that too
[10:47] <_2> so that even Daisuke_<tab> is still not enough to complete one nick.
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> when folks come in a ubuntu, so annoyinig
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> well theres ido and laptop
[10:48] <flaccid> i gtg
[10:48] <_2> yep.  but if it cycled i could get there quicker.
[10:48] <_2> shalom flaccid
[10:48] <_2> and thanks for all the fish.
[10:48] <gnumm> which dock should i use on kde? (i don't use compiz)
[10:48] <flaccid> cia0ski
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> !dock
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> !kibadock
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> !info kibadock
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> grr
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> kdocker or kibadock are ok
[10:50] <_2> !kdocker
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> !info kdocker
[10:51] <_2> >:|
[10:51] <gnumm> i guess kdocker only works with compiz
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> !find dock
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> haha
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> !haddock
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> !info haddock
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> ill stop now
[10:52] <_2> i recall some one singing the praises of kooldock a while back.
[10:52] <_2> !info kooldock
[10:53] <_2> hmm kooldock dates back as far as dapper. it's in my repos.
[10:54] <_2> i may give it a look see,  it's small enough.
[10:55] <_2> kxdocker - innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> its fun making Linux look like mac
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> for about 5 mins
[10:57] <_2> :)
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> good ol bagheria
[10:59] <elo> Do any of you run virtualbox? I am having some issues with it and I suspect them to be Kubuntu related issues not vbox related
[11:00] <_2> kwin-baghira - KDE theme for Apple junkies :)
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> elo: ask away maybe we can help
[11:02] <elo> well i installed it from the sun website and downloaded a decent windows xp install cd since my hp recovery disks aren't supported for a virtual machine
[11:02] <_2> elo  not me.   i have used qemu a little and dosemu/dosbox that's the full extent of my emulations exp.
[11:02] <elo> anyhow.. I've saved about 3GB on my fat32 partition for the hard disk fo th evm
[11:03] <elo> so i install windows flawlessly and start windows through vbox
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> ok
[11:03] <elo> but i am not able to capture my ouse at all
[11:03] <elo> keyboard works fine
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> elo: press right ctrl maybe
[11:03] <elo> i am on an HP laptop (dv8000t)
[11:03] <elo> well i did and it only captures keyboard
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> elo: did you enable usb support?
[11:03] <elo> so my pointing devices are either a synaptics pad or y usb mouse
[11:04] <elo> i tried but it doesnt seem to find any usb devices
[11:04] <_2> "emulated experance"   is that a vertual knowledge thing ?
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> elo: let me websearch
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> elo: you running compiz?
[11:05] <elo> yeah
[11:05] <elo> unfortunately compiz is a pain in the neck
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> elo: try turning it off and running it
[11:05] <elo> i am unable to get youtube full screen anymore
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> elo: it is, i hate it
[11:05] <elo> ok how exactly do i turn it off?
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> elo: kwin --replce
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> replace
[11:06] <elo> by changing window man back to Kwin and decorator back to KDE?
[11:06] <elo> oh ok
[11:06] <elo> so i dont use the fusion icon?
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> its been put in a forum, i dunno if it affects it but compiz seems to screw a tonne of stuff up so its a good starting place
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> elo: no reason to, you can if you wanna
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> same effect
[11:07] <elo> that was some really good observation bro
[11:07] <elo> let me try again
[11:08]  * ActionParsnip plays a drumroll
[11:09] <elo> also audio seems not to work
[11:09] <elo> once xp is up i do the install guest devices thing?
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> elo: you might need guest OS tools installing
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> on your host system
[11:10] <elo> dude you're awesome
[11:11] <elo> i installed guest additions once xp was up
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> what solved it
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> yeah man, sweet
[11:11] <elo> and right away it gave me the screen for sun vm guest additions
[11:11] <elo> and captured my mouse right away
[11:11] <elo> no if only the kde 4.1 team could give us a K replacement for compiz
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> id try re-enabling the compiz rubbish to see if it works
[11:11] <elo> oh ok
[11:11] <elo> cool
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> Ive had it work myself so should be ok
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> any joy?
[11:16] <elo> yeah i gues si gotta start figuring out how to make it run on one of my desktops in full screen as if i was on xp
[11:17] <elo> that way i can start getting used to running linux only and xp through vm
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> change your res on the desktop
[11:17] <_2> "if you are beside yourself with joy, don't scoot over!"
[11:20] <elo> _2, also dont fart
[11:22]  * _2 thought that was "if you are behind..."
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> or downwind
[11:28]  * _2 points out how easy it is to "lead people into mischief"   ^    ;/
[11:29] <jussi01> Alright really...
[11:30]  * ActionParsnip listens to the wind and watches the tumbleweeds
[11:31]  * [pyro] chases said tumbleweeds
[11:33] <faileas> bleh
[11:34] <faileas> a true pyro would set the tumbleweeds on fire
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> good kindling is tumbleweed
[11:35] <elo> it's funny how liberal this chan is to offtopic stuff than #ubuntu
[11:35] <elo> hehe
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> only when its THIS dead
[11:35] <elo> ActionParsnip, how do I fix my audio device problem?
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> elo: whats it doing or not doing
[11:35] <elo> whe i was starting the vm it said ti couldnt find the sound driver
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> is this in your vbox or linux?
[11:36] <_2> /nick pyrotechnecal
[11:36] <elo> vbix
[11:36] <elo> vbox
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> elo: change the sound setting for the box
[11:36] <elo> when i started the device
[11:36] <elo> so i shutdown the vm
[11:36] <elo> and then change settings and start it up again?
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> yeah
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> or just close and save the state if you have space, not sure if that works
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> elo: you should see alsa / OSS or null
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> elo: try all 3 til you win
[11:38] <elo> k
[11:41] <gianluca> hi
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> gianluca: hey
[11:44] <marcus> !adeptfix
[11:44] <marcus> ta ubottu
[11:49] <Agent_bob> Cannot chmod target file "*" Operation not permitted (1)   <<<< that would look like an M$ mount   but it's local and i'm wondering why i'm seeing that message?   can copy/overwrite  but can't chmod ...  ?
[11:50] <elo> ActionParsnip, do you know how to get the internet working on the vm?
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> elo: did you enable network connectivity in the vm?
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> elo: if so then its got it
[11:51] <elo> i did enable it but it seems not to have the correct device
[11:51] <elo> xp doesnt see any ethernet controllers
[11:51] <unclean> Whats the best way to learn shell scripting...
[11:51] <elo> do i do the same for this as i did with sound
[11:51] <MetaMorfoziS> Hey guys!
[11:51] <elo> keep trying until i get sumthin?
[11:51] <MetaMorfoziS> Thanks, the /etc/rc.local stuff worked
[11:52] <MetaMorfoziS> now i have a bit more advanced question
[11:52] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i add a path to sudo's $PATH?
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> elo: no, in the config make sure you have network connectivity enabled and yuo will get a NIC which will pick up DHCP if you use it
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> MetaMorfoziS: sudo isnt a user
[11:53] <elo> when i hit settings, i get this: Could not load the Host USB Proxy Service (VERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND). The service might be not installed on the host computer.
[11:53] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, i know
[11:53] <MetaMorfoziS> i added to /etc/profile, and /root/.profile
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> elo: then get web searching :D
[11:53] <MetaMorfoziS> that's work as a normal user
[11:54] <MetaMorfoziS> but not as sudo
[11:54] <MetaMorfoziS> i added /opt/bin because i have my scripts here, and i linked firefox etc here too
[11:54] <MetaMorfoziS> but sudo somethinginoptbin.sh says command not found
[11:54] <MetaMorfoziS> but the lol, that it autocompletes some<tab>:)
[11:54] <MetaMorfoziS> just it isn't found...
[11:54] <Agent_bob> MetaMorfoziS in gdm   one can use  /etc/gdm/factory-gdm.conf:# contains "SUROOT=<pathvalue>".
[11:55] <Agent_bob> let me look.
[11:55] <MetaMorfoziS> but what if i'm from cli
[11:55] <MetaMorfoziS> (no x)
[11:55] <MetaMorfoziS> i need a more general stuff
[11:55] <Agent_bob> let me look.
[11:55] <MetaMorfoziS> thanks
[11:55] <Agent_bob>  /etc/login.defs:# Three items must be defined:  MAIL_DIR, ENV_SUPATH, and ENV_PATH.
[11:55] <elo> it shows me 4 Adapter types 2 PC Net and 2 Intels
[11:56] <MetaMorfoziS> eh:)
[11:56] <MetaMorfoziS> yeah i was also here
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> elo: does one have a default gateway?
[11:56] <MetaMorfoziS> i have : ENV_SUPATH      PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/bin
[11:56] <MetaMorfoziS> and it's still not works
[11:56] <MetaMorfoziS> i thin su !=sudo
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> su == switch user
[11:57] <MetaMorfoziS> anyways, it isn't solves the problem:/
[11:58] <elo> ActionParsnip, There's "Adaptor Type" and "Attach To"
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> elo: im in over my head now bro. id get websearching a bit
[11:59] <elo> k, thanks bro
[11:59] <Agent_bob> MetaMorfoziS do;  sudo # and in that shell;  echo $PATH
[12:00] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[12:00] <MetaMorfoziS> sudo -s you mean?
[12:00] <Agent_bob> MetaMorfoziS no.
[12:00] <Agent_bob> just sudo
[12:00] <MetaMorfoziS> simple sudo says it's --help
[12:00] <MetaMorfoziS> sudo echo $PATH
[12:00] <Agent_bob> ok  sudo /bin/bash
[12:00] <MetaMorfoziS> has /opt/bin
[12:00] <MetaMorfoziS> that's too
[12:01] <Agent_bob> no   "sudo echo $PATH"   that will expand before it su'z
[12:02] <Agent_bob> i don't know anyway to protect $* from shell expansion with sudo  so   sudo /bin/bash   then echo $PATH    and see what it has.
[12:03] <MetaMorfoziS> i tried^^
[12:03] <MetaMorfoziS> it has /oopt/bin too
[12:03] <Agent_bob> and maybe vanella   sudo    only works for root.  idk.
[12:03] <Agent_bob> MetaMorfoziS and your exact problem is ?
[12:04] <Agent_bob> which 'command'   shows it in /opt/bin  ?
[12:04] <MetaMorfoziS> exactly http://paste.ubuntu.com/35064/
[12:05] <MetaMorfoziS> it's just a test... but it shows the problem well
[12:05] <Agent_bob> and was this a typo ?   <MetaMorfoziS> it has /oopt/bin too
[12:05] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[12:05] <MetaMorfoziS> /opt/bin what i wanted
[12:05] <MetaMorfoziS> mhz is in /opt/bin/mhz
[12:06] <Agent_bob> MetaMorfoziS    which mhz   for me please.
[12:06] <MetaMorfoziS> meta@meeeta:~$ which mhz
[12:06] <MetaMorfoziS> /opt/bin/mhz
[12:06] <MetaMorfoziS> meta@meeeta:~$ sudo which mhz
[12:06] <Agent_bob> MetaMorfoziS and    sudo which mhz    also.
[12:06] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^
[12:06] <MetaMorfoziS> nothing returns
[12:06] <Agent_bob> k
[12:06] <Agent_bob> hold a sec.
[12:07] <MetaMorfoziS> okay, thank you
[12:07] <Agent_bob> MetaMorfoziS    sudo -i which mhz
[12:07] <MetaMorfoziS> it's ok
[12:08] <Agent_bob> ?
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> hmm sudo -i do the job
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> it's works
[12:08] <Agent_bob> k is that all you need ?
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> nearly
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> but is that impossiible to leave -i?
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS>  The -i (simulate initial login) option runs the shell specified in the passwd(5) entry of the user that the com‐
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS>            mand is being run as.
[12:09] <MetaMorfoziS> sounds okay... but can be this is the default?
[12:09] <Agent_bob> ummm no not default.
[12:09] <Agent_bob> you can use a shell wrapper or alias for that though.
[12:10] <Agent_bob> in your  ~/.bash_bashrc   for example;   alias sudo='sudo -i'
[12:10] <Agent_bob> i can't see where that would interfear with any normal operations
[12:11] <Agent_bob> MetaMorfoziS i'm puzzeled by one post "<MetaMorfoziS> but is that impossiible to leave -i?"    what exactly do you mean ?
[12:12] <MetaMorfoziS> i mean exactly alias sudo='sudo -i' :)
[12:12] <Agent_bob> ok.   anything else ?
[12:12] <MetaMorfoziS> to get sudo etc work...
[12:12] <MetaMorfoziS> nothing, thank you it works like charm:)
[12:12] <Agent_bob> welcome.
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> gotta love alias
[12:13] <Agent_bob> not as well as function tho
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> !function
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> !info function
[12:14] <Agent_bob> heh      help function     in a bash shell
[12:14] <Agent_bob> same as     help alias
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob: i get it. Id just make a script personally
[12:15] <Agent_bob> functions are much faster than scripts and don't require a sub shell
[12:19] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip here's a lesson in functions.   write a script that will let you cd to a dir and stay there when it exits ???     example attempts might look something like    echo 'cd $*' > testing.sh ;chmod 755 testing.sh ;./testing.sh /  # but as you see you end up where you started not where you cd'd too.
[12:19] <Agent_bob> and here is the funhction counter part to that.    testing() { cd / ; } ;testing /
[12:19] <Agent_bob> which does achieve the desired end.
[12:20] <Agent_bob> and while an alias would also work   notice that one can use multiple commands and variables in a function    but not in an alias
[12:20] <Agent_bob> well var's not in alias.
[12:22] <Agent_bob> an example of that might be something like;  alias wait_boo='cat "$@" | less'     <<< that of course will not work as it looks like it should.    this however will  wait_boo2() { cat "$@" | less ; }
[12:23] <Agent_bob> when one tries to  wait_boo file1 file2 file3     they are stuck waiting for stdin    but wait_boo2 concatinates all three files into the less filter.
[12:23] <elo> ActionParsnip, thanks again for your help ... i got the network working too
[12:23] <elo> anybody know what i type into console to see what ports are being used currently?
[12:24] <Agent_bob> in short  "functions are da bomb"
[12:24] <Agent_bob> elo sec and i'll pastebin you a script
[12:24] <elo> another guy messaged me this: lsof -i -nP
[12:24] <elo> is thi sefficient enough?
[12:25] <elo> this*
[12:26] <Agent_bob> umm as root yes i think so
[12:26] <Agent_bob> as userr no.
[12:27] <dcorbin_work> What's the correct way with kbuntu to tweak what starts and what doesn't for different init levels.
[12:28] <Agent_bob> update-rc.d
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> elo: oh what did you do?
[12:28] <Agent_bob> elo  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=df18cccd   you can at least play with this
[12:28] <elo> ActionParsnip, I just chose the pcnet one since the user manual said it was the most common
[12:28] <elo> and i chose NAT for the Attached To thingy
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> elo: sweet
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> elo: makes sense
[12:29] <elo> I appreciate it Agent_bob
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> elo: glad you got it sorted man, i like a success story
[12:30] <dcorbin_work> Agent_bob: thanks.
[12:30] <Agent_bob> welcome
[12:30] <dwidmann> dcorbin_work: sysv-rc-conf is nice
[12:31] <Agent_bob> dwidmann that's not the one that makes wrong dirrectories is it ?  /etc/rc/rc2.d    like that ?
[12:32] <Agent_bob> there was one that does work in debian stile systems   it's tweeked for redhat stile systems
[12:32] <Agent_bob> s/does/doesn't/
[12:33] <elo> agentbob to use the script do i save it as a file and then chmod x ?
[12:33] <elo> i am not familiar with bash scripts at all
[12:33] <Agent_bob> elo or just call it with   sh filename
[12:33] <elo> ok cool
[12:34] <Agent_bob> ummm also if one uses the "download as text" from pastebin they get M$ markup added to the unix style file    in which case run   dos2unix filename
[12:35] <Agent_bob> or is it redirrect that...?    dos2unix filename > new_filename
[12:35] <Agent_bob> i can't remember   if the first dumps the file to stdout  then redir it :)
[12:35] <elo> i just copied from the edit box below
[12:35] <elo> and did: pico net
[12:35] <elo> and then saved it and then sh net
[12:36] <elo> i know i'm an ubernoob, forgive me
[12:36] <Agent_bob> ok.    and still you may want to sudo it.
[12:36] <elo> sudo sh net?
[12:36] <Agent_bob> yeah
[12:36] <elo> hehe cant open net
[12:37] <elo> my mistake
[12:37] <elo> wrong desktop
[12:37] <Agent_bob> see some information is not readily avalable to normal users.    that's just part of the way linux is designed to protect itself from .*
[12:38] <Agent_bob> ok.  i'm out for a while.    if no one else has a cli based Q for me.
[12:46] <ghostcube> hi there people
[12:46] <ghostcube> question in kde 4 is there still no kcontrol ?
[12:47] <ghostcube> cause systemsettings is very worse
[12:47] <ghostcube> :|
[12:52] <tim_> hi, alt + f2 isn't workiung anymore, nothing happens and befor the window didn't appear in the front but behind all other windows
[13:00] <ghostcube> anyone alive :)
[13:05] <tim_> how do i get alt+f2 working again if nothing happens
[13:34] <KuMe> Q: Does anyone know how to let firestarter autostart @ startup
[13:37] <ubuntu_> hello
[13:37] <ubuntu_> o
[13:39] <brandon_> flaccid: I tried to change xorog.conf to look like that, but it is still not located under /dev/js
[13:40] <josa> i can only use tty shells, any advice how to start X11 or something like that
[13:41] <josa> or how to google for solutions from shell, ie a cli browser
[13:43] <Falstaff> What program can I get to dial the phone through the modem?
[13:44] <unclean> after i install KDE4 from KDE3 how do I get rd of my old KDE3?
[13:44] <unclean> rid*
[13:49] <macic_> how do I install widgets? I mean the 'download from internet' doesn't seem to work
[13:58] <alpha> I'm having a problem getting my combo drive to work correctly in kubuntu, can anyone help?
[14:35] <icelab> hi
[14:35] <icelab> i have a question to solve
[14:36] <icelab> k3b don't allow me to decode in mp3 file amy cd audio
[14:36] <icelab> sorry of my cd audio
[14:39] <lzieba> hi everybody! :P
[14:39] <icelab> ubottu can k3b rip cd audio in mp3 file?
[14:39] <icelab> hi izieba
[14:44] <icelab> nobody use k3b to convert audio cd in mp3 file?
[14:53] <Githzerai> icelab: Still here? libk3b2-extracodecs
[14:55] <revolutionize> i have a probem & hope that someone can help me out.  everytime i put avi file to a disk the sound is all messed up can someone help me out???
[14:56] <amigrave> lately, my system became slower than before. Firefox was (again) slow as hell, switching tabs taking forever and even freezing the system ... Then I rebooted and selected previous kernel (2.6.24-18-generic). Everything came back to normal !  I need help installing icedtea-gcjwebplugin for Hardy 64bit .. I keep getting an error msg that there are unresolved dependencies ..it depends on openjdk-6-jre ..
[15:00] <tinin> "Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries"   Do you have this same error while trying to launch a kde4 app under kde3?
[15:00] <revolutionize> no i don't
[15:03] <revolutionize>  the avi file work's fine on my computer but when i put it to a disk the sound is all messed up, can anyone help me out?
[15:03] <revolutionize>  i have all the rite codes, but i don't know why the sound would be all messed up though
[15:06] <Pici> revolutionize: You can try asking in #ubuntu as well, as you aren't getting much of a response here.
[15:07] <revolutionize>  pici: well i don't seem to be gett'n any help anyway since i have been try'n for the past 2 to 4 day's non stop so wtf point of try'n anywhere else!!!
[15:09] <matisse> hi, where do I find the files which are saved by flash programs ?
[15:09] <matisse> im using Firefox 2
[15:09] <Masteredu> Hello
[15:09] <Masteredu> can some one help me
[15:09] <Masteredu> i have installed KDE on my ubuntu
[15:09] <Masteredu> but it lags
[15:09] <Masteredu> realy...
[15:10] <Masteredu> hard
[15:10] <Masteredu> how can i fix???
[15:10] <Masteredu> i have 2,9 ghz and 1,5 gb ram
[15:11] <jtisme> anyone know what repository  kickstart is in
[15:18] <amigrave> Masteredu: don't know if it's related but recently I had also slow system. Then I realized that using the previous kernel : 2.6.24-18-generic everything was fast again. Don't know if you have the same problem but I think it's related to nvidia's kernel module on 2.6.24-19-generic
[15:19] <icelab> matisse looking in the preference of firefox
[15:19] <icelab> or the plugin preference
[15:20] <Masteredu> lol
[15:20] <Masteredu> kubuntu
[15:20] <Masteredu> looks
[15:20] <Masteredu> fucking good
[15:20] <Masteredu> omg
[15:20] <Masteredu> ....
[15:20] <Masteredu> i mean kde 4.1 looks ultra !!!
[15:23] <Masteredu> or???
[15:23] <Masteredu> how you find it
[15:23] <Masteredu> it looks like windows 9 or more...
[15:32] <matisse> never seen it :-)
[15:32] <Masteredu> loool
[15:33] <Masteredu> then look at my desktop xD
[15:33] <Masteredu> http://www.gotwig.de/pictures/bildschirm.jpeg
[15:33] <matisse> nice
[15:34] <Masteredu> jeah
[15:34] <Masteredu> this is kde 4
[15:34] <icelab> very nice
[15:34] <Masteredu> jeah kde 4 is very good
[15:34] <Masteredu> :)
[15:34] <Masteredu> i like it
[15:34] <Masteredu> what you use?
[15:34] <Masteredu> gnome?
[15:35] <Masteredu> or kde 3
[15:37] <sari75> ciao
[15:37] <sari75> hi
[15:39] <Black_Monkey> hi, I was played a song in amarok, and when I went to play the next song, it said "xine was unable to initialise any audio drivers"
[15:39] <Black_Monkey> s/was/just
[15:40] <Black_Monkey> and now I can't play any sound
[15:42] <Black_Monkey> before, it'd been popping up a box saying that some driver wouldn't work, so it was falling back to another... with the same name - but working fine
[15:44] <Black_Monkey> ah, kubuntu-kde4 channel, nvm
[15:45] <matisse> Black_Monkey: maybe its because another program was using the sound
[15:45] <Black_Monkey> matisse: well, amarok had been playing a song... nothing else was using it though
[15:46] <matisse> both the same file format ?
[15:46] <Black_Monkey> oh, except maybe kopete message notifications... but I don't think they were playing
[15:46] <Black_Monkey> yep
[15:46] <Black_Monkey> but just mp3s
[15:46] <matisse> which sound daemon are you using ?
[15:46] <Black_Monkey> I've restarted amarok, restarted alsa
[15:46] <Black_Monkey> erm.. is alsa the sound daemon?
[15:47] <matisse> look in kcontrol
[15:48] <matisse> but alsa is thing I wanted to know
[15:48] <Black_Monkey> well yes, alsa
[15:48] <matisse> don't know. is it still a problem ?
[15:49] <Black_Monkey> yes, can't play anything
[15:49] <matisse> did you tried to play the file again, is it maybe broken ?
[15:49] <Black_Monkey> tried playing the file again, and then in mplayer as well
[15:49] <Black_Monkey> tried playing other files
[15:50] <Black_Monkey> just gives the error about not being able to use the audio drivers - also gives that when starting amarok
[15:50] <sari75> i am really disappointed with kubuntu -.-
[15:51] <Manyfold> why?
[15:51] <sari75> i think i will go back to ubuntu gee..........
[15:51] <matisse> Black_Monkey:  google knows about the error message, read the whole article http://blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za/2007/01/06/xine_was_unable_to_initialise_any_audio_drivers.html
[15:51] <sari75> Manyfold: i have installed it just now
[15:51] <matisse> Black_Monkey: maybe you can export or save your collections
[15:51] <sari75> and have also problem to connect via dsl
[15:52] <sari75> i was used to ubuntu
[15:52] <Manyfold> it seems to work
[15:52] <sari75> then i bought a new laptop with vista
[15:52] <Black_Monkey> matisse: hmm, except this is happening in other programs, not just amarok :/
[15:52] <sari75> now i have both
[15:52] <sari75> vista plus kubuntu
[15:52] <Black_Monkey> and amarok isn't crashing, like he says - it stays open...
[15:52] <sari75> -.-
[15:53] <sari75> Manyfold: yeah but now i have to learn again everything
[15:53] <sari75> -_________-
[15:53] <matisse> Black_Monkey: this open shell and type in     killall -s 9 amarok
[15:53] <grassone> hi
[15:53] <matisse> s/this/then
[15:53] <sari75> ash
[15:53] <Ash-Fox> Yes, sari75?
[15:54]  * sari75 wants her ubuntu back right now
[15:54] <sari75> Ash-Fox: what?
[15:54] <Ash-Fox> I am not responsible for that, sari75.
[15:54] <sari75> lol
[15:54] <Black_Monkey> hm ok, but amarok's closing normally anyway
[15:54] <sari75> Ash-Fox: could kindly help me with the dls connection?
[15:54] <Black_Monkey> and yeah, same thing happening after doing that and re-opening :/
[15:54] <sari75> how can i manage it?
[15:55] <matisse> Black_Monkey: maybe kill some other programs concerning with sound
[15:55] <matisse> (top oder htop are good programs for that task)
[15:55] <sari75> Ash-Fox: why it doesnt autodetect the router?
[15:55] <Ash-Fox> sari75, my DSL stuff has always worked through a router that supported ethernet and/or wireless. So if it's a USB modem thing for DSL. I'm afraid I cannot help you.
[15:56] <sari75> Ash-Fox: no no wireless
[15:56] <Ash-Fox> sari75, ethernet?
[15:56] <gift> [Mass Message] all servers are back online.
[15:56] <gift> [Mass Message] oops, wrong alias :P
[15:56] <sari75> Ash-Fox: now i am through ethernet
[15:56] <Black_Monkey> matisse: like which programs? I'm not familiar with htop - says I don't have it
[15:56] <Ash-Fox> It's difficult to understand what your problem is then?
[15:56] <sari75> Ash-Fox: but would like to be wireless
[15:56] <sari75> dls
[15:57] <sari75> dsl§
[15:57] <sari75> gee
[15:57] <matisse> Black_Monkey: then its possibly easier to restart your ubuntu but first try relogin
[15:57] <Ash-Fox> That's not DSL related, that's wireless. Anyway, open up konsole and type 'iwconfig', does it show anything or tell you there is no adapters?
[15:57] <Black_Monkey> hm ok, thanks
[16:04] <Deepthought> some app´s (dolphin, kdesudo, komunication etc) freeze all the time on input (mouse, typing) and take about a half minute to respond evertytime; what could be wrong ?
[16:05] <pteague_work> anybody know how to get an ati radeon set up with dual monitor via a y cable?
[16:06] <Deepthought> pteague_work, easiest to use ati-settings or radeontool
[16:07] <pteague_work> is that from the drivers direct from ati or in 1 of the repository packages?
[16:08] <Deepthought> pteague_work, if you installed propr dirvers one or both are already on your system, can´ t remember wich.  Try typing both in konsole
[16:09] <pteague_work> i've got aticonfig, atieventsd, & atigetsysteminfo.sh :(
[16:10] <Deepthought> pteague_work, aticonfig should be able to do it I think; you tried ?
[16:10] <Deepthought> pteague_work, check this link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[16:11] <pteague_work> i really wish they would have bought an nvidia card... *sigh*
[16:11] <Deepthought> pteague_work, that explains how to do it with xorg.conf, wich is a hassele, but it explains all options very well; also links that lead to the tool-howto´ s if I´ m right
[16:13] <Deepthought> pteague_work, I use nvidia with nvidia-settings, easy without messing with conf-files, but I know there´ s an equivalent for ati that should make it just as easy, probably radeontool; startup adept and search, should be in there
[16:13] <Deepthought> pteague_work, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773544
[16:14] <matisse> Where do I find the files which are saved by flash programs in Firefox 2 ?
[16:15] <Deepthought> pteague_work, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/radeontool
[16:17] <pteague_work> Deepthought: yeah, i have nvidia on my box at home & it was painless...  at work somebody else bought the card & never bothered to ask & they're all windows
[16:17] <miffed> Under system settings->system administration>paths. I changed the documents path to a folder called "docs" I have on a separate partition, I would have assumed now when I click the document tab on my toolbar that folder would would be opened but the  not the case, I have missed a step else misinterpreted the option?
[16:17] <BraveSpear> Anyone know if kde-core installs printing support by default?
[16:18] <matisse> ahh, found it under /home/<user>/.macromedia/Flash_Player/
[16:18] <Deepthought> pteague_work, yep, radeontool is installable from adept; you should also use flgrx driver
[16:18] <Deepthought> BraveSpear, yep; you have to install a printer though, else you can only print to a pdf-file
[16:19] <masteredu> Hello woderfull kubuntu comunity :D
[16:19] <masteredu> wonderfull ^^
[16:19] <pteague_work> already using fglrx :)
[16:19] <pteague_work> brb, updated kernel & made changes to xorg.conf
[16:20] <masteredu> ?
[16:20] <masteredu> i have a problem
[16:20] <masteredu> kde lags a little
[16:21] <miffed> compared to ?
[16:21] <masteredu> compared?
[16:21] <soufiane__> salut
[16:21] <masteredu> english pls
[16:21] <masteredu> :)
[16:22] <BraveSpear> Deepthought: Thanks.. know how to remove printing support? I need to get rid of it for a LivdCD I'm creating for work.
[16:22] <soufiane__> y a t il ici un forum français
[16:22] <masteredu> sorry
[16:22] <masteredu> dont understand
[16:22] <masteredu> :)
[16:22] <masteredu> xD
[16:22] <Deepthought> BraveSpear, why bother ?
[16:22] <BraveSpear> My management does not want the users to be able to print anything.
[16:22] <timo> !sound
[16:22] <soufiane__> i cherche french froum
[16:23] <Deepthought> BraveSpear, aha; well, you could let users log in and give them no rights to the printer, that should be easy
[16:23] <masteredu> question
[16:23] <masteredu> why my kde 4.1 lags
[16:23] <gnumm> soufiane__: il y a un forum ubuntu francais, cherches juste sur google ;)
[16:23] <soufiane__> ok
[16:23] <masteredu> pls only english
[16:23] <masteredu> only
[16:24] <gnumm> i know
[16:24] <gnumm> he hadn't understand me
[16:24] <masteredu> why Kubuntu have kde 3? ^^
[16:24] <Deepthought> masteredu, does it lag on everything or just kdesudo and other kde3 stuff ?
[16:24] <BraveSpear> Deepthought: Thats a good idea, but my boss doesn't want the users to even think they can try to print.  Removing all references to printers/printing is what they want.
[16:24] <masteredu> ?
[16:24] <masteredu> it lags
[16:25] <masteredu> when i will switch the desktop
[16:25] <masteredu> folder on my desktop
[16:25] <masteredu> etc.
[16:25] <masteredu> i have kde 4 not kde 3
[16:25] <frybye> Hi - Using kde3 the k-menu has -lost- the entry for this programme (Konversation-) I can only start it by using Dolphin to got to /usr/Bin and double-clicking the konversation script.. what do i hvae to do to get it back in the K-menu??
[16:26] <Deepthought> BraveSpear, hm...  you could compile a kernel without support for the printerport, that would be wicked ;-), but the printer´ s probably on a network, right ?
[16:26] <miffed> right click kmenu and select menu editor and add it from there at a guess
[16:27] <masteredu> can someone help me
[16:27] <ScorpKing> my usb flash drive keeps on disconnecting but only on this box. here is the output of dmesg - http://paste.ubuntu.com/35107/ - any idea what might be wrong? all my flash drive does the same
[16:27] <Deepthought> BraveSpear, remove package cups, and the other print-stuff that I forgot the names of; search in adept on the word print, see what packages you run into and try removing them ? (careful !)
[16:27] <frybye> miffed: right i figured that myself but it wants a load of Input i dont know about? 1 - command? 2- working directory?
[16:28] <masteredu> pls help me
[16:28] <masteredu> i have 1 ,5 gb ram and 2.9 ghz
[16:28] <BraveSpear> Deepthought: No, these will be work at home users, connecting to our network through VPN and Citrix.  I have created the LiveCD based on kubuntu with kde-core (kde 3.5), and have disabled automounting of the users HDD and external storage (I hope it works that way, anyway).  My boss only wants them to be able to access Citrix via Firefox web browser and VPN via whatever means I can.
[16:28] <frybye> I sort of assume the command would be /usr/bin/konversation or...? and which dir is the "working directory?" - (I have the German lang. Kubuntu here - am a Brit in berlin...)
[16:29] <miffed> well i guess the command is Konversation and the working dir is the path to the konq script u mentioned
[16:29] <Deepthought> frybye, click right on menubutton and start menu-config (I don´ t know exact name in english), then you can make a new link
[16:29] <timo> how can I add (a link to) a script to Favorites in K-Menu?
[16:30] <frybye> Deep - we have already got that far pal...
[16:30] <timo> cuz Favorites doesn't show up in the menu editor
[16:30] <Deepthought> BraveSpear, well, sorry, then I´m out of ideas, I´ m not familiar with that sort of stuff...
[16:31] <BraveSpear> Deepthought: I thought it might be that easy.  Probably just removing cups would work.  I just didn't know if KDE had some extra printing options that I was not aware of.  You've been a help.
[16:32] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: care to explain you problem again to me? i didn't see your first question
[16:32] <Deepthought> BraveSpear, I believe there´ s another simpler system as wel, gutenprint springs to mind right now
[16:32] <type_o>  how can someone convert avi to mpeg?
[16:33] <Deepthought> type_o, avi is usually already mpeg; but you probably mean the type on a dvd ie VOB ?
[16:33] <type_o>  rite
[16:34] <ScorpKing> type_o: ffmpeg can do that for you
[16:34] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: I was just trying to find out how to remove printing support for my livecd I am creating.  You were a great help to me yesterday, btw.  Thank you very much.
[16:34] <type_o>  cuz i did install DVD Author Wizard & it does ask for a mpeg video file but i don't know how to convert avi to mpeg though
[16:35] <type_o>  i'm new with linux & only have used linux for about 3 day's i know very little here & there but NOT enough to get by
[16:36] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: anytime. uhm.. i also think removing cups will help. another way might be to just deny all printing
[16:36] <BraveSpear> type_o: welcome to Linux.. you were probably the same way with Windows when you first started.  Don't worry, you'll pick it up soon enough.
[16:37] <frybye> miffed: ok thanks pal - I have not quite got it in the right part of the menu (Internet) but it is ok where it is - right at the top... heheh
[16:37] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: Thats what I was thinking.  I just didn't know if kde had some extra printing subsytems installed that I wasn't aware of.  I've been using Linux for a couple of years but I still have a lot to learn.
[16:38] <type_o>  yeah i already did install a few thing's here & there i know linux is lot more complexed than window's but since i like use'n linux i think i'm gonna stay use'n linux but there r something's that i don't know how to do like converting avi to mpeg, converting avi to dvd thing's like that, so can anyone help me out???
[16:39] <frybye> I have a new ? - I tried to install some market-search proggy for linux from a rpm with alien and there were a load of fault reports - ie that amd64 system not supported (which I have-) it still produced a folder on the desktop which will not let me send it to the trashcan.. how can I do that - it says "access denied"
[16:39] <type_o>  yeah i already did install a few thing's here & there i know linux is lot more complexed than window's but since i like use'n linux i think i'm gonna stay use'n linux but there r something's that i don't know how to do like converting avi to mpeg, converting avi to dvd thing's like that, so can anyone help me out???
[16:39] <frybye> I tried in a terminal with sudo rm foldername but then it just says - cant do that cos it is a folder...
[16:40] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: same here and i'm still learning every day. i guess it will never stop. ;) i'm pretty sure there are some other kde printing packages. i think figuring out how to disable everything will be a lot better. for egsample, there is also print to pdf
[16:40] <timo> frybye: use rm -rf
[16:40] <timo> sudo rm -rf ....
[16:40] <type_o>   how can i put avi to dvd???
[16:40] <frybye> tks timo...
[16:40] <timo> frybye: yw
[16:40] <Jony> hi, i cant get any usb device to work, is anyone intrested in helping me?
[16:41] <timo> Jony: did you update your system? what version are you using?
[16:41] <BraveSpear> type_o: try here: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-create-video-dvds.html
[16:42] <frybye> yeahhh! gone gone gone.. heheh
[16:42] <timo> good :)
[16:42] <timo> -r means recursive, -f means delete folder
[16:42] <Jony> time: latest i guess can i PM u log from dmesg | grep -i hci that might help solve the problem?
[16:43] <frybye> a bug*er that this proggy cant be used though - it is real usefull - I do have it on another box running the "enemy-empires' os" but that is a bummer... heheh
[16:43] <miffed> timo: I never use the -f just -r and yet the folder still gets deleted
[16:43] <timo> miffed: ok, thanks, that's interesting :)
[16:44] <sebastian__> how do i unlock the package manager thing so i can open it? cause it crashed
[16:44] <frybye> timo: miffed -r = recursive or...?
[16:44] <timo> Jony: you can do that, but I am quite new to Kubuntu as well, so I'm not sure if I can help you
[16:44] <miffed> yeh recursive
[16:44] <bazhang> !aptfix
[16:45] <frybye> ok - I was on a linux course a couple of weeks ago - but my old brain/memory is as addeled as can be ... heheh
[16:46] <frybye> c u folks in a bit - bye now and tks...
[16:46] <sebastian__> thx
[16:46] <ScorpKing> frybye: man pages and reading online is the best course you'll get. ;)
[16:46] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: Do you know anything about customization files for Firefox?
[16:47] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: not really but being open source it should be easy to figure out :)
[16:48] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: I need to have Firefox as the default browser on my livecd, and any links I place on the desktop open up automatically in firefox, not konqueror as it is doing now.
[16:49] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: I don't know of any way to remove Konqueror without kde getting all hosed up.
[16:49] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: that will be part of the kde config. it might be in .kde/share/config/
[16:50] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: if you ever give me a cd without konq i might be upset ;)
[16:50] <Falstaff> Is there an easy to install modem program ...??
[16:50] <Falstaff> Is there an easy to install modem?
[16:50] <ScorpKing> Falstaff: i use wvdial. what do you need to do?
[16:51] <ScorpKing> Falstaff: ah, sudo wvdialconf
[16:51] <masteredu> can someone help me
[16:51] <masteredu> my kde lags a little
[16:51] <ScorpKing> Falstaff: it will create /etc/wvdial.conf that you can edit and the just run sudo wvdial and you should be online
[16:51] <Serega> hi there
[16:51] <masteredu> hey
[16:51] <masteredu> :(
[16:51] <masteredu> why no one help
[16:51] <Serega> can I ask here about intrepid?
[16:52] <Serega> masteredu: hey
[16:52] <Serega> what's up?
[16:52] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: I'll make sure to leave konqueror in for any cd's I give you lol
[16:52] <bazhang> !ibex
[16:52] <Falstaff> ScorpKIng I will give it a try ...
[16:52] <bazhang> Serega, in #ubuntu+1
[16:52] <masteredu> give it a German Kubuntu chanelß
[16:52] <Serega> ugh, yep, thanks!
[16:53] <BraveSpear> masteredu: kde lagging could be from a lot of different scenarios.  what type of computer are you running on?
[16:53] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: hehe.. what i useually do is create a new user, change the things i want and the see what config files was recently edited.
[16:53] <Serega> masteredu: how can I help you?
[16:54] <Jony> can anyone help me out, i cant get a single usb device to connect.
[16:54] <masteredu> serega , i will ask in german help maybe they can help me
[16:55] <masteredu> they dont answer :(
[16:56] <Falstaff> ScorpKing I tried it and it can't find my modem ... I assume I need a modem driver ...
[16:56] <masteredu> can some one help me??
[16:56] <ScorpKing> Jony: i have the same problem
[16:56] <ScorpKing> Falstaff: most likely yes. look at www.linmodems.org
[16:56] <miffed> Jony: I guess a good starting point would be are the devices showing up when you type lsusb in terminal? and specifically what devices you tring to connect
[16:57] <miffed> btw p mst nobie user on plant so take my advice with pinch of salt
[16:57] <miffed> :/
[17:00] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: trying to find the .kde/share/config folder.. is that in the /home folder?
[17:00] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: another place default setting are kept is in /etc/defaults/ btw
[17:00] <ScorpKing> yes
[17:00] <masteredu> help me plsss
[17:02] <Serega> masteredu: don't ask for "help", just ask
[17:03] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: /home/<user>/.kde/shar......
[17:03] <masteredu> i have allready ask how can i fix it that kde dont lag
[17:03] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: ahh.. apt-get remove --purge cupsys  appears to work well
[17:03] <miffed> masteredu: upgrade hardware?
[17:03] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: lovely. why don't you want printing anyways?
[17:05] <masteredu> miffed how you mean
[17:05] <masteredu> i have 1,5 gb ram and 2,9 ghz
[17:05] <Serega> masteredu: what exactly lag?
[17:05] <pteague_work> ok, i'm finally getting 2 different x sessions in the 2 different monitors... although i'd prefer twinview (boo ati)...  the problem is i can't seem to get the screens to do anything larger than 1024x768 & i know they'll do 1280x1024
[17:06] <BraveSpear> Corporate policy for the organization I support.  Has to do with PCI compliance (PCI = payment card industry, eg Visa, amex, etc).. no ability for credit card information to be reproduced when the user has access to it -- can't print it, save it, etc..
[17:07] <masteredu> it dont go sofort
[17:07] <faileas> BraveSpear: you'd want to remove printscreen as well ;p
[17:07] <sebastian__> has anyone here use a hex editor ?
[17:07] <sebastian__> used
[17:07] <masteredu> with the mouse when i change the location
[17:07] <miffed> BraveSpear: how do you prevent screenshot with digicam?
[17:07] <pteague_work> nm, think i got 'em
[17:07] <miffed> or mobile phone cam
[17:08] <BraveSpear> faileas: Sssh.. my boss might hear you and want me to remove that as well :D
[17:08] <faileas> BraveSpear: remove what? <halo>
[17:08] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: there are hundreds of ways to save info like that. anly disableling printing will not work
[17:09] <jtisme> sebastian__, i use vim for hex editing
[17:10] <sebastian__> can u help me with just 1 thing?
[17:10] <ScorpKing> jtisme: hex editing? is the a way to make it display the binary or asm code?
[17:10] <jtisme> sebastian__, sure if i can
[17:10] <sebastian__> it says i have to search for, 0x130BB5 bit, and change the value 75 to 74, how can i do that?
[17:10] <sebastian__> i dont even know where the value is
[17:11] <jtisme> ScorpKing, yes
[17:11] <jtisme> sebastian__, what gave you that message
[17:11] <BraveSpear> ScorpingKing, all: I know that and my boss knows that.. its part of due diligence and PCI compliance... mitigating the risk the "rogue" employee may bring to the organization.. if a case goes to court, the company could say "We did everything we could do to prevent this."  It won't stop an employee from writing the cc# down, taking pics of the screen with a cam, etc.. but I did what I could.
[17:11] <sebastian__> its for a game :p
[17:13] <Falstaff> ScorpKing my idea is to get a modem and install it ... any ideas about what is best how about an external serial port one??
[17:13] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: and disabling printing will be a major part. Most users won't know how to use print screen, etc.
[17:14] <jtisme> sebastian__, looks like they are saying the  1248181  bit in the program needs to be changed but one bit would not be > 1 so they may mean byte
[17:14] <BraveSpear> Here in our call center, we hire a lot of bottom-feeders.. lowest common denominator sort.
[17:14] <ScorpKing> Falstaff: i bought an internal modem a while ago that had linux drivers on the cd but i can't remember what make or model it was. all i know is that you defenately get them. google it
[17:14] <BraveSpear> ie: not the brightest fish in the barrell ;)
[17:15] <miffed> hmm I wonder if it possible to have some program running which could obscure a screenshot with analogue or digitla camaera but be invisable to naked eye
[17:15] <sebastian__> ok thx jtisme
[17:15] <Falstaff> Scorpking thanks!
[17:15] <jtisme> sebastian__, need clarification as to bit or byte
[17:15] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: does removing cups also remove pdf printing?
[17:15] <sebastian__> it says bit
[17:15] <miffed> I got pat pending :)
[17:15] <jtisme> sebastian__, ok hold on a sec
[17:16] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: you might also want to check that ksnapshot is not installed
[17:16] <sebastian__> ok
[17:17] <jtisme> sebastian__, a bit value is either 0 or 1  you would have to have at least 7 bits to have the value 74 or 75
[17:18] <sebastian__> and what does that mean? :P
[17:18] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: Thx.. thats the kind of info I need. If I can get away with just Firefox/Citrix/VPN installed on the thing, it would be almost exactly what my boss wants.. but what my boss wants and whats possible haven't always been the same
[17:19] <jtisme> sebastian__, based on  0x130BB5 it would mean a change to byte (word) 312045 in your program not easy to do but doable
[17:19] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: haha.. if i think of anything else i'll let you know
[17:20] <jtisme> sebastian__, using vim hex mode you would have to find the 312045th word
[17:20] <jtisme> sebastian__,  and change that word
[17:20] <sebastian__> but u can search
[17:21] <jtisme> sebastian__, yes you can search but the value 74 could exist in a lot of other places besides the 312045th word in the binary file
[17:21] <sebastian__> the value is 75 and im supposed to change it to 74
[17:21] <jtisme> sebastian__, do you know about the split command?
[17:22] <sebastian__> hehe no
[17:22] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: You know anything about KVPNC? I'm running vpnc from a desktop icon that opens a terminal window for users to put in their login info, but doesn't have any visual means of user verifying that vpn is connected or disconnected. they only thing i've found is kvpnc, but I can't figure out how to configure it from within a chrooted environment
[17:22] <jtisme> sebastian__, oh boy, are you new to linux?
[17:22] <BraveSpear> is there a way to run these apps from with chroot? maybe redirect to a display? hmmm...
[17:23] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: sorry i don't know much about it. did you take a look at vnc server?
[17:23] <sebastian__> i had it about 6 months, but im new to ubuntu :P
[17:23] <BraveSpear> if so, that would make my job a hella lot easier.
[17:23] <sebastian__> but im not goot and commands, cause i dont even know where to look to learn them
[17:23] <sebastian__> good*
[17:24] <ScorpKing> sebastian__: man <command>
[17:24] <jtisme> sebastian__, what is the name of the game and how large is the binary file
[17:24] <sebastian__> but i dont know the command name :P
[17:24] <BraveSpear> vnc is something we're thinking about for remote controlling users. vpn is for virtual private network (secure tunnel over the internet to our network)
[17:24] <sebastian__> its 501 mb
[17:25] <BraveSpear> sebastian_: also try apropos
[17:25] <sebastian__> 6.6 mb is the file
[17:25] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: i think searching the internet for chroot might help a lot.
[17:25] <pteague_work> nope, that didn't work as planned... i still can only seem to get 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024
[17:25] <jtisme> sebastian__, can you hold on a minute i need to take a restroom break for about 10min
[17:25] <sebastian__> ya
[17:26] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: the thin client setup in edubuntu use chroot btw ;)
[17:27] <ScorpKing> sebastian__: take a look at www.linuxcommand.org
[17:27] <sebastian__> thx :D
[17:28] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: I will look into that definitely.
[17:29] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: I did find something re: running an app from within a chrooted environment..
[17:30] <BraveSpear> export DISPLAY=localhost0:0
[17:30] <BraveSpear> then I can launch apps from the command line..
[17:30] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: awesome. have a link?
[17:30] <BraveSpear> this could be an AWESOME help.
[17:31] <BraveSpear> ScorpKing: yeah.. http://www.brianmadden.com/content/article/How-to-create-a-custom-thin-client-Knoppix-boot-CD-with-the-Citrix-ICA-client
[17:31] <jtisme> sebastian__, what is the name of the game
[17:32] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: thanks. will it not be easier to make a linux disk with only the apps you need?
[17:33] <sebastian__> jtistme: Penumbra: black plague.
[17:34] <BraveSpear> it would, but one of the requirements of the project is for the cd to boot from the most different types of pc's as possible.. knoppix has had problems booting from some of our pc's here, but I have had 100% success with this distro.
[17:35] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: ok so for egsample. remove the desktop and all gui apps. install a very small (mostly useless) desktop system and add only the few apps that you need
[17:36] <jtisme> sebastian__, i have a chemo treatment in 1 hour i will look up penumbra later this after noon and see if i can find the problem and get back to you with the solution
[17:36] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: other than kde there are fluxbox, xfce and so on
[17:36] <sebastian__> ok thx :D
[17:37] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: i have to go away for a while but i'll be back later
[17:41] <oscar> español
[17:41] <oscar> español
[17:41] <oscar> español
[17:41] <oscar> español
[17:42] <bazhang> !es
[17:47] <Freddy2> hi
[17:48] <Freddy2> following a few web sites i've seen that you need sun-java6-plugin for firefox3, but i can't see this at repos.. any extra apt source needed?
[17:48] <Freddy2> neither anything related to java web start (javaws)
[17:48] <Freddy2> (i'm on hardy)
[17:52] <miffed> I install kubuntu restricted extras that install the java support for ff as far as I know
[17:53] <Freddy2> hmm it seems there's a "problem" with 64 bits systems..
[18:10] <Guest42337> #ubuntu-tr
[18:11] <Guest42337> #pardus
[18:11] <Guest42337> #pardus
[18:11] <Guest42337> #pardusgeyik
[18:15] <Heinz-L-Mann> hey
[18:16] <tsuna27> why should I use linux
[18:17] <tsuna27> join #ubuntu
[18:17] <Heinz-L-Mann> because its fun!
[18:17] <tsuna27> anything else
[18:17] <BraveSpear> taun27: its free, less resource intensive (typically), more customizable...
[18:18] <Heinz-L-Mann> more secure
[18:18] <Heinz-L-Mann> and fun ;)
[18:19] <BraveSpear> hilarity ensues
[18:24] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear, Heinz-L-Mann: if anyone ask you that question again tell them to watch Revolution OS ;)
[18:25] <Heinz-L-Mann> lol
[18:25] <BraveSpear> I haven't seen that yet.
[18:26] <ScorpKing> BraveSpear: it's a must see if you use linux
[18:26] <miffed> Not even seen revolution 01
[18:27] <BraveSpear> know where i can watch it? is it on youtube?
[18:27] <miffed> gah its a S not a 5 damn screen too far away
[18:28] <pgib> Hey - is there some way to remove all kde3 pacakges where a kde4 package is already installed?? Or is this a manual one-by-one ordeal?
[18:30] <pteague_work> !numlock
[18:30] <roldyx> hello.. I have a own-kernel.. and when I boot lvms appears INACTIVE and they arent mounted..
[18:31] <frybye> BraveSpear: the film has a trailer that can be accessed via the wickipeia entry.. --> google---
[18:31] <roldyx> but if I execute /etc/init.d/udev restart.. all LVMs put ACTIVE.. why?
[18:32] <pgib> anyone know how to remove kde 3?? I guess that is really what I'm looking for
[18:32] <Heinz-L-Mann> check the wiki ...
[18:33] <Heinz-L-Mann> its not that hard at all
[18:33] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[18:33] <ActionParsnip> qq
[18:33] <Heinz-L-Mann> hey
[18:33] <ActionParsnip> I use fluxbox, if i uninstall kwin will I still get a desktop if I reboot?
[18:33] <ActionParsnip> i use kde apps in fluxbox and i'm trying to skim my system down
[18:34] <pgib> Heinz-L-Mann: searched wiki for delete kde,  remove kde, and uninstall kde.  no results
[18:35] <Heinz-L-Mann> hmm
[18:35] <Heinz-L-Mann> i would first install kde4 and then uninstall kde3
[18:35] <Heinz-L-Mann> you aren't german are you ?
[18:35] <pgib> Yeah, I already installed kde4
[18:35] <Heinz-L-Mann> hmm i know there is a tut in the german wiki.. but its offline atm..
[18:35] <pgib> I'm just looking to uninstall kde3 - but can't figure out how without possibly uninstalling kde4 as well
[18:36] <pgib> No, I'm not German
[18:37] <miffed> I tried the kubuntu kde4 distro when first released and to be honest hated the desktop and menu system  prob changed a lot since then
[18:37] <Heinz-L-Mann> hmm
[18:37] <Heinz-L-Mann> i would translate it for you but as i said there is a gateway prob atm
[18:37] <brandon_> flaccid: R U there?
[18:39] <pgib> miffed: yes kde4.1 is quite different
[18:39] <pgib> ok -  so I guess the moral of the story is, I need to have them side-by-side for now
[18:39] <Heinz-L-Mann> sorry got to go
[18:39] <pgib> I guess I will just manuall uninstall the hundred or so packages
[18:39] <Heinz-L-Mann> add me in jabber and ill help ya in two hours ;)
[18:39] <Heinz-L-Mann><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:46] <drabina> hi all, has kubuntu based on kde 3.5 long term support?
[18:47] <Schorfi> no
[18:47] <pteague_work> http://pastebin.com/d77fd4f & i'm still getting 1024x768... although in Monitor & Display it's allowing me to select 2048x768... why i don't know as this monitor's max is 1280x1024
[18:51] <mizipzor> no matter how many virtual desktops i set, it always displays two
[18:53] <mizipzor> ... i rightclick the virtual desktop panel to change the number of desktops
[18:57] <mustang62> Господа Всем привет
[18:59] <mustang62> никто не подскажет как запустить CDrom в ubuntu на ноуте Prestigio
[19:02] <ScorpKing> !ru | mustang62
[19:04] <Taggnostr> hello
[19:05] <ScorpKing> mustang62: спросить в #ubuntu-ru Возможно, они могут понять
[19:06] <Taggnostr> i was editing /etc/groups and now i'm not part of the admin group anymore, and sudo doesn't recognize me anymore, is there a way to fix it without reboot and fix it from the root shell?
[19:07] <ScorpKing> Taggnostr: if you are root now yes
[19:08] <ScorpKing> Taggnostr: adduser <youruser> admin
[19:08] <Taggnostr> no, i logged off after the edit and now i logged in again with my normal user
[19:17] <Taggnostr> if there's no way to do it, how can i reboot in the root shell ?
[19:23] <Schorfi_> Taggnostr: reboot
[19:24] <Taggnostr> is there some key to press while it's loading to access some menu?
[19:25] <Taggnostr> and will it ask me some password to access the root shell?
[19:26] <madagascar> #Leo4All
[19:27] <duesentreib> hallo
[19:28] <duesentreib> hello?