[06:52] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:54] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:54] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:55] <ricotz> hello :) oSoMoN duflu
[06:55] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[06:56] <duflu> Morning ricotz
[07:14] <jibel> Good morning
[07:15] <duflu> Hi jibel
[07:16] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[07:16] <duflu> jibel, jammy daily is still 2020-02-02. Does it need to be since bug 1960226 was fixed?
[07:23] <jibel> hi duflu oSoMoN
[07:58] <didrocks> good morning
[08:11] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[08:19] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:21] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:21] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:21] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:22] <seb128> lut didrocks, hey duflu, how are you?
[08:22] <didrocks> I’m great, thanks, and you?
[08:26] <duflu> seb128, alright. How about you?
[08:32] <seb128> it was alright, just rrrreallly windy
[08:33] <ricotz> hello :) jibel didrocks seb128
[08:33] <didrocks> hey ricotz!
[08:39] <jibel> Hi ricotz and all
[08:39] <didrocks> hey jibel
[08:47] <jpnurmi> good morning!
[08:53] <seb128> hey ricotz jibel jpnurmi, how are you?
[09:00] <duflu> Hi jpnurmi
[09:02] <ricotz> seb128, all good :) thanks, minor storm still passing ;)
[09:04]  * duflu is still jealous. We've had so little rain that old bushfire smoke is accumulating on things without being washed off
[09:13] <jpnurmi> seb128, i'm alright, thanks! had a nice weekend and so :)
[09:15] <seb128> ricotz, did you notice that the libreoffice autopkgtest are failing?
[09:15] <seb128> configure: error: KF5 headers not found.  Please specify the root of your KF5 installation by exporting KF5DIR before running "configure".
[09:15] <seb128><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:15] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks & seb128, good morning jpnurmi
[09:16] <ricotz> seb128, yes, I am aware the 7.3 -proposed upload contains a patch, but the release pocket 7.2 package is failing of course
[09:16] <seb128> ricotz, I just saw the most recent upload, should have checked before asking :)
[09:16] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[09:16] <ricotz> seb128, basically libreoffice 7.3.1 needs to transition to ease this situation
[09:17] <ricotz> seb128, no problem
[09:20] <seb128> libreoffice is blocked on python-defaults though :/
[09:25] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[09:33] <ricotz> seb128, yeah, python is blocking a few things :(
[12:13] <ricotz> usb-creator needs some patching for python3.10
[12:16] <seb128> not surprising...
[12:16] <seb128> jbicha, you broke version, I blocked the vcs to an older revision to get the reports working again
[12:19] <seb128> jbicha, I don't think you can omit the tag parametre on the definition
[13:06] <jbicha> good morning
[13:14] <oSoMoN> good morning jbicha
[13:28] <seb128> jbicha, hey, how are you?
[13:39] <jbicha> good, I got some spring cleaning done this weekend
[13:49] <seb128> :-)
[13:50] <seb128> jbicha, did you see my earlier msg about versions?
[13:50] <jbicha> seb128: yes, are you fixing it? or do you want me to work on it?
[13:51] <seb128> jbicha, one testing tip in case you don't know it, you can do PACKAGE=something DEBUG=1 versions.py to get the version about that one source
[13:51] <seb128> it takes 30s instead of having to build the report
[13:52] <seb128> jbicha, if you could fix it that would be great, I can try to poke later but the day is going to be tight
[13:52] <jbicha> yeah, that's helpful :) 🤠
[16:13] <mdeslaur> seb128: is there a site with the cloud init preseeding info for the new desktop installer?
[19:16] <KGB-2> gnome-shell tags b2081e6 Simon McVittie upstream/41.4 * Upstream version 41.4 * https://deb.li/iVPM
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[23:44] <maccam94[m]> I've encountered an audio bug with Ubuntu 22.04. Plugging/unplugging headphones seems to make pipewire interfere with the audio mixer levels before pulseaudio can persist them, which means they always reset to 74%. is it intentional for pipewire to have the alsa module loaded now?
[23:45] <maccam94[m]> (this is a fresh install, I haven't installed any extra pipewire components myself)
[23:47] <Maik> !next | maccam94[m]
[23:47] <Maik> maccam94[m]: also bug report it on launchpad
[23:48] <maccam94[m]> thanks! will do


[08:54] <jibel> davmor2, Hey, what are the critical bugs on your list for the release of vivid?
[08:57] <davmor2> jibel: so it turns out that somehow zsync and mangled the images.  Checksums were well off.  So I killed them added them fresh.  Wifi is still playing up, not rebooting on hitting enter, and oem mode is still leaving the temporary user I'll grab you the bug numbers in a second
[09:00] <jibel> davmor2, shutdown is known, OEM I'm double-checking it was supposed to be fixed.
[09:01] <davmor2> jibel: might of been over the weekend maybe but certainly wasn't on Friday when I got the right image
[09:01] <jibel> davmor2, we are looking for someone from design for the vivid slideshow
[09:02] <jibel> davmor2, it was fixed 2 weeks ago
[09:02] <jibel> davmor2, so apparently the fix is incomplete
[09:02] <davmor2> jibel: they are in the office just lock the door around lunch and put on a sign that says you can't eat till someone gives me the slide designs ;)
[09:03] <davmor2> jibel: I'll check the yelp too and see if the artwork there is updated yet
[09:04] <pitti> jibel: bug 1445587
[09:04] <jibel> pitti, bug 1445592
[09:33] <davmor2> jibel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1445481
[09:34] <davmor2> jibel: ^ that one bites me from time to time
[09:34] <flexiondotorg> jibel, davmor2 I can confirm the removal of the OEM user is still an issue - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1442679
[09:35] <davmor2> jibel: ^ that's the other one I'm looking for :)
[09:35] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: thanks
[09:35] <jibel> davmor2, flexiondotorg on it
[09:35] <jibel> still don't know what is happening there
[09:44] <davmor2> jibel: I'm assuming it is a final step of an upstart job that hasn't been ported to systemd, so just blame pitti ;)
[09:44] <pitti> davmor2: yes, please do; I'm on it
[09:44] <pitti> ah, actally I'm on bug 1445592 for now
[09:45] <pitti> it's likely that the OEM user bug is mine, too, but of course any help appreciated
[09:45] <davmor2> pitti: Yeah I'll be installing again, is there any info I can drag off the system that would be useful to you?
[09:48] <pitti> davmor2: I suppose this bug shold be fairly easy to reproduce, so as long as we have a bug which clearly documents what's wrong and how to get there I'm happy
[09:48] <pitti> easier to reproduce locally than ssh'ing to a remote one
[09:49] <davmor2> pitti: I think jibel is already testing it
[10:05] <flexiondotorg> davmor2, jibel I also confirm this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/1445198
[10:05] <flexiondotorg> davmor2, jibel I suspect this affects all flavours.
[10:12] <jibel> flexiondotorg, thanks, I'll look into it
[10:15] <flexiondotorg> jibel, Thanks.
[10:40] <davmor2> jibel: I'm grabbing netboot and starting there
[10:40] <jibel> davmor2, thanks
[10:41] <jibel> I'm trying to reproduce the ecryptfs issue, it seems it is not affecting ubuntu
[10:42] <jibel> davmor2, when you'll run an install on HW, can you click on the 'release notes' link and tell if it works
[10:42] <davmor2> jibel: will do
[10:42] <jibel> davmor2, in ubiquity-dm
[10:43] <davmor2> jibel: yeap
[10:47] <flexiondotorg> jibel, I confirm the ecryptfs issue doesn't affect Ubuntu.
[10:47] <flexiondotorg> jibel, It did used to work in Ubuntu MATE.
[10:47] <flexiondotorg> jibel, How is that script being invoked?
[10:47] <jibel> flexiondotorg, right, there is something missing from Mate, that's what I'm checking
[10:48] <flexiondotorg> jibel, I suspect xdg-open is missing MATE support.
[10:48] <flexiondotorg> jibel, Can you point me at the code that calls the script?
[10:49] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1001902
[10:54] <jibel> flexiondotorg, the problem is that xterminal-emulator doesn't support double-quotes to execute shell commands
[10:55] <flexiondotorg> jibel, Ah.
[10:55] <flexiondotorg> jibel, So why is Ubuntu not affected?
[10:55] <jibel> flexiondotorg, for example x-terminal-emulator -e sh -c 'echo hello && sleep 5' will work
[10:56] <jibel> for xterminal-emulator -e "sh -c 'echo hello && sleep 5'" won't
[10:56] <jibel> s/for/but/
[10:58] <flexiondotorg> jibel, Thanks for the info.
[11:02] <jibel> flexiondotorg, 2 options: change mate-terminal to support double-qoutes since -e is a command, or fix update-notifier hook to execute a command in move the current command executed in the hook to the script.
[11:05] <jibel> flexiondotorg, actually the bug occurs only if you invoke mate-terminal through x-terminal-emulator
[11:07] <jibel> flexiondotorg, the problem is probably in mate-terminal.wrapper
[11:08] <flexiondotorg> jibel, Please can you point me at the code that is invoking this?
[11:08] <jibel> flexiondotorg, it's in /usr/bin/mate-terminal.wrapper
[11:08] <flexiondotorg> jibel, No :)
[11:09] <flexiondotorg> jibel, The update-notifer stuff .
[11:11] <jibel> flexiondotorg, ah, the hook is /usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-record-passphrase from ecryptfs-utils and linked into /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/ to trigger the notification
[11:11] <jibel> flexiondotorg, but the bug is in the wrapper I think
[11:12] <flexiondotorg> jibel, I'm just curious as to why this had been working fine.
[11:14] <jibel> no idea
[11:14] <flexiondotorg> jibel, Thanks. I'll have a dig.
[11:14] <jibel> yw
[11:29] <flexiondotorg> jibel, I tracked the behaviour change down to the mate-terminal package. A few months back we changed from mate-terminal being the default to mate-terminal.wrapper.
[11:31] <jibel> flexiondotorg, in the wrapper you probably need to split oldargs to make it a list but don't split the quoted part of the command
[11:32] <jibel> a shell wrapper would be easier actually
[12:44] <davmor2> jibel: do you want server tests running on netboot aswell as desktop?
[12:46] <jibel> davmor2, wait there is a new kernel and a new debian-installer has just been uploaded
[12:46] <davmor2> shuggin fashin' dick dastardly
[13:13] <davmor2> pitti: so are we right is the oem removal just a missing systemd job?
[13:14] <pitti> davmor2: could be, I didn't look at it at all yet
[13:15] <pitti> davmor2: there is an oem-config.service which ought to do the same as the upstart job (calling oem-config-firstboot)
[13:16] <davmor2> pitti: right oem end user is setup, it's just the temporary oem user isn't removed and it auto starts that user :(
[13:16] <pitti> ………………………………………………………………userdel --force --remove oem || true
[13:16] <pitti> I see that in oem-config-firstboot, so perhaps that fails?
[13:16] <pitti> there might still be processes left from the oem user
[13:17] <pitti> although it has a "pkill -u oem || true" right above it
[13:31] <pitti> jibel: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds
[13:31] <davmor2> jibel: Release notes links to www.ubuntu.com/index_roadshow but that I'm assuming is because the page doesn't exist yet right?
[13:31] <flexiondotorg> davmor2, pitti - cyphermox has wored on the oem-config issue a few weeks back.
[13:32] <jibel> davmor2, it is a redirection server-side.
[13:32] <flexiondotorg> davmor2, pitti - cyphermox did add the required systemd support, AFAIK.
[13:32] <flexiondotorg> davmor2, pitti - The current issue is that the 'oem' user account is not always (as in rarely) removed.
[13:32] <jibel> flexiondotorg, it is on release team's radar
[13:33] <flexiondotorg> davmor2, pitti - The result being that after a system is prepared and the oem config is completed you are auto logged in as the 'oem' user.
[13:33] <davmor2> jibel: on a plus side it does open a browser and goto the above link
[13:33] <jibel> davmor2, thanks, in the test I did, it crashed the VM
[13:33] <flexiondotorg> jibel, Thanks. Just thought I share. I've been test the oem-config stuff for week. I was working for a brief period.
[13:34] <flexiondotorg> *it was working
[13:34] <pitti> flexiondotorg, davmor2: is that systemd specific? I. e. if you boot the first time with init=/sbin/upstart (use -snapshot!) does it work?
[13:34] <jibel> flexiondotorg, np, thanks.
[13:34] <cyphermox> after running oem-config-prepare and rebooting, there shouldn't even be starting anything as oem
[13:35] <flexiondotorg> pitti, I'm not sure what you asking?
[13:35] <pitti> flexiondotorg: if the failure to remove the oem user also happens under upstart
[13:35] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Correct. the oem-config is running as super user.
[13:35] <pitti> i. e. which direction we should debug this
[13:35] <flexiondotorg> pitti, I'll test it with upstart.
[13:36] <pitti> or maybe the oem-config thing has a log which might contain the error message from userdel?
[13:36] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Do I need any additional packages installed?
[13:36] <pitti> flexiondotorg: no
[13:36] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Thanks.
[13:36] <pitti> flexiondotorg: so I meant, normally you'd do a qemu install in OEM mode, and then you always boot the installation with -snapshot so that you can do it arbitrarily many times witohut having to reinstall
[13:37] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: the big issue I see is that I still haven't been able to reproduce the bug you see
[13:37] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Understood.
[13:37] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, I can reproduce everytime in VirtualBox and about half the time on laptop at home.
[13:37] <jibel> pitti, there is nothing in the log
[13:37] <jibel> nothing useful
[13:37] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, The OEM I'm working with can only reproduce this on Broadwell NUC and Ultrabook.
[13:38] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: only ever with ubuntu-mate or other images as well?
[13:38] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Ubuntu and Ubuntu mATE.
[13:41] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Do you want to install completed with upstart or just the first boot after the system is prepared?
[13:41] <pitti> flexiondotorg: the actual install sholdn't make a difference
[13:41] <flexiondotorg> pitti, OK.
[13:41] <pitti> flexiondotorg: so if you still have the orginal unmodified instal, or want to rnu oem-config-prepare again, you can use that
[13:41] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Understood.
[13:41] <pitti> flexiondotorg: i. e. we need to decide between "the .service runs at the wrong time" vs. "we broke oem-setup script"
[13:42]  * flexiondotorg is setting up a test environment.
[13:42] <davmor2> pitti: I install on hardware snapshotting it a little harder there ;)
[13:42]  * pitti introduces davmor2 to the wonderful world of VMs :)
[13:43] <davmor2> pitti: vm's are wonderful but if you only test on vm you don't know if things like real drivers work :D  Not often you get an nvidia vm ;)
[13:44] <pitti> right, but stuff like the above is easier to test in VMs
[13:44] <davmor2> pitti: also uefi + secure boot always works better on a device too :)
[13:44] <pitti> yeah, uefi in qemu works, but not secureboot
[13:45] <davmor2> pitti: wow that's impressive you got it to work in qemu it still failed for me :(  Vb's worked nicely though
[13:45] <cyphermox> pitti: it's not running at the wrong time; it's now running as the only thing in its own target
[13:46] <cyphermox> pitti: so the likeliest scenario is still that one oem-config gets removed, systemd decides to go and bring up the rest of the system, before all the scripts are done running
[13:46] <MacSlow> Greetings folks!
[13:54] <davmor2> cyphermox: oh that sounds like fun fun or not
[14:00] <pitti> cyphermox: that's not very plausible
[14:01] <pitti> cyphermox: it pkills all oem processes before it userdels
[14:01] <pitti> cyphermox: so we'd have that session been torn down, and/or userdel errors because of "busy user"
[14:01] <pitti> cyphermox: it's more likely that the cleanup code isn't run at all, jibel said that we don't get any userdel errors in the logs
[14:01] <cyphermox> well, who tells you it's not starting other things at the same time?
[14:01] <pitti> it could
[14:01] <pitti> but that doens't magically stop oem-setup
[14:01] <cyphermox> that's *exactly* what was going on before I made it its own target
[14:02] <cyphermox> hence why I'm also kind of surprised it would happen again, I tested this a lot and couldn't get it to fail again
[14:02] <pitti> well, let's just get an image, boot it with -snapshot, and set -x that script to see what's going on
[14:02] <cyphermox> but it could just be a matter of timing/speed now
[14:02] <pitti> little point in speculating
[14:03] <jibel> pitti, trying that right now
[14:03] <pitti> it seemed to work well enough when I ported it, so obviously something changed
[14:06] <MacSlow> rhuddie, hey there... can you point me to an ap/python-example explaining the correct use of scenarios?
[14:08] <MacSlow> rhuddie,  atm I'm looking at test_action_latency.py as guide... just wondering if that's good enough
[14:08] <rhuddie> MacSlow, hey. sure, I'll get back to you shortly.
[14:14] <flexiondotorg> pitti, If I try to use init=/sbin/upstart after the system is prepared oem-config doesn't not run at all. I get automatically logged in to an Ubuntu desktop as the 'oem' user.
[14:14] <flexiondotorg> I tested this with Ubuntu proper.
[14:14] <pitti> flexiondotorg: oh, fun
[14:15] <jibel> cyphermox, interesting, if I start oem-config-firstboot with --debug, the oem user is deleted
[14:16] <flexiondotorg> jibel, How did you invoke that via kernel options?
[14:16] <jibel> flexiondotorg, I changed the systemd job
[14:17] <jibel> and forced debug there
[14:17] <davmor2> jibel: so there's the fix then ;)
[14:17] <flexiondotorg> jibel, Thanks.
[14:22] <flexiondotorg> pitti, cyphermox jibel Just tested twice with systemd and Ubuntu and no debug. One worked, one did not.
[14:23] <flexiondotorg> Will try the --debug to see if it consistently works.
[14:23] <pitti> flexiondotorg: don't
[14:23] <davmor2> why is it things always work when you turn on debugging it's like the jinx from hell for qa :D
[14:23] <pitti> flexiondotorg: add set -x please
[14:23] <pitti> --debug changes teh behaviour of that script
[14:23] <flexiondotorg> pitti, To what?
[14:23] <pitti> flexiondotorg: to the scrip which does the userdel
[14:23] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Understood.
[14:23] <pitti> but jibel is on that ATM
[14:23] <pitti> we want to see a set -x in the failed case
[14:23] <flexiondotorg> pitti, I'll wait then.
[14:24] <flexiondotorg> jibel, The give Ubuntu MATE a test. I seems to fail a little more often than Ubuntu.
[14:28] <davmor2> jibel: yelp art-work is updated I think it look more like a Viking than a monkey though
[14:29] <jibel> davmor2, hehe
[14:29] <jibel> infinity, ^ :)
[14:36] <infinity> davmor2: It's not a viking, it's Wolverine.
[14:37] <davmor2> infinity: but that doesn't start with V :P
[14:37] <davmor2> infinity: maybe the next release will be Wicked Wolverine and then they can keep the mascot ;)
[14:38] <infinity> davmor2: wascawwy wabbit.
[14:39] <davmor2> infinity: We are going after the gaming community with the next release Worlda Warcraft release
[14:43] <rhuddie> MacSlow, for scenarios, you can see an example here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/address-book-app/trunk/view/head:/tests/autopilot/address_book_app/tests/test_delete_contact.py
[14:43] <MacSlow> rhuddie, thx... will take a look
[14:43] <rhuddie> MacSlow, you may also have seen the documentation: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/testscenarios/
[14:43] <MacSlow> rhuddie, ok
[14:55] <davmor2> jibel, infinity: meh empty wastebin is still opening a nautilus window :(
[15:12] <flexiondotorg> pitti, jibel I got oem-config to fail on Ubuntu with -x set. Where should I be looking for error logs?
[15:14] <flexiondotorg> jibel, That issue with the wastebin. Was that in the live session? - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1445622
[15:14] <pitti> flexiondotorg, cyphermox: jibel found something, he'll update the bug
[15:14] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Thanks.
[15:15] <pitti> cyphermox: I finally understand bug 1445587 *phew*
[15:20] <cyphermox> pitti: ah, great
[15:21] <cyphermox> pitti: I think it should still be working as a proper dm, but I guess we can defer those changes to post-V
[15:22] <pitti> cyphermox: I made it work with a quick hack locally (defer the reboot by 5 s)
[15:22] <pitti> cyphermox: now seeing how we can fix this properly to avoid the race
[15:25] <jibel> cyphermox, added more info to 1436937, userdel fails because it cannot open /etc/subuid
[15:29] <cyphermox> jibel: if you haven't scrapped this yet, what was running as process 706?
[15:30] <cyphermox> while oem-config is its own "runlevel", I'm not sure what could have been started running as oem
[15:34] <jibel> cyphermox, systemd
[15:34] <jibel> ^
[15:34] <cyphermox> wha?
[15:34] <jibel> pitti, ^
[15:34] <cyphermox> pitti: ^
[15:34] <jibel> :)
[15:35] <cyphermox> no idea what that could be besides maybe a user session?
[15:35] <pitti> (target != runlevel, FTR)
[15:36] <cyphermox> pitti: inasmuch as it's the default target, and IIRC doesn't start multi-user OR graphical, for all intents and purposes, there should be nothing else running
[15:37] <cyphermox> pitti: feel free to check debian/ubiquity.target to see if I messed up
[15:37] <pitti> cyphermox: from what I see on jibel's machine this isn't related to service startup at all
[15:37] <pitti> cyphermox: one can re-run that userdel, and it keeps failing in exactly the same way, stumbling over /etc/subuid
[15:37] <cyphermox> then how do you explain any process starting as 706?
[15:37] <cyphermox> I mean, starting as the oem user
[15:38] <pitti> cyphermox: I don't know, does it? but that's not even why it fails
[15:38] <cyphermox> the expectations for oem-config are simple: nothing else should be running, especially not something as the oem user, and if something does and can't be killed for whatever reason, of course userdel will fail
[15:39] <pitti> it is apparently not failing because there's something running
[15:39] <cyphermox> if systemd wasn't running as oem, you wouldn't have trouble with /etc/subuid.
[15:40] <pitti> ah, I see jibel's log
[15:40] <pitti> he still has the VM, but he's in a meeting ATM
[15:40] <cyphermox> in any case, since you seem to understand all this better than I do, I can fix console-setup instead.
[15:40] <pitti> cyphermox: the debconf question? yeah, that'd be appreciated
[15:40] <cyphermox> yeah
[17:11] <pitti> cyphermox: so the oem user remove one is a really funny bug
[17:12] <pitti> cyphermox: wgrant just figured it out
[17:12] <pitti> (bug in shadow)
[17:13] <cyphermox> ok
[17:21] <balloons> wxl, assuming you are still kosher with it, I'm going to add the lubuntu lxqt session to the show and tell track for uos 15.05
[17:22] <wxl> balloons: yeah we'll figure it out :)
[17:22] <balloons> wxl, got a cool session title?
[17:22] <balloons> or preferred day / time?
[17:22] <wxl> ummmmmmmmmmm
[17:22] <wxl> "lubuntu, cuter"
[17:22] <wxl> :)
[17:23] <wxl> and sensible hours given the fact that i'm not utc :)
[17:25] <balloons> wxl, ok I'm make it late in the day
[17:26] <wxl> balloons: so yeah afternoon here is good :)
[17:27] <balloons> wxl, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22422/lxqt-next-generation-of-lubuntu/. Feel free to change the description or title :-)
[17:27] <wxl> thx balloons
[18:23] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1445595
[18:24] <cprofitt> anyone available to triage that bug
[20:06] <elopio> veebers: hey, renato made a good comment in here: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/address-book-app/fix_base_class/+merge/256243
[20:07] <elopio> with the recommended way of launching the app, then we require to import the AddressBookApp custom proxy object, even if we don't use it.
[20:07] <elopio> or well, we don't use it directly.
[20:08] <elopio> it's one of the problems I see with the registry, we need the import which is not an explicit way of stating what we want.
[21:02] <knome> balloons, ping?
[21:03] <balloons> knome, pong
[21:04] <knome> this can't be right:
[21:04] <knome>     For a normal to normal upgrade, terminal will show Prompt=normal
[21:04] <knome>     For a normal to LTS upgrade, terminal will show Prompt=lts
[21:04] <knome>     For a lts to normal upgrade, terminal will show Prompt=normal
[21:04] <knome>     For a lts to lts upgrade, terminal will show Prompt=normal
[21:04] <knome> balloons, shouldn't everything but the last show normal, and the last one LTS?
[21:05] <balloons> knome, I remember going through this with elfy actually
[21:05] <balloons> or maybe I'm crazy. We spent time nailing this down so it would be right
[21:05] <knome> but that's very illogical...
[21:05] <balloons> all that said, it looks wrong :-)
[21:06] <knome> elfy, any last words? :P
[21:28] <balloons> knome, if you wouldn't mind righting our poor logic, we accept MP's; but also patches or simply corrected text :-) Bug reports welcome too
[21:28] <knome> or i can just push the new version in the branch and the tracker? :)
[21:29] <knome> and half of the point is that i'm not exactly sure what normal->LTS should do; my logic says "keep normal", but who knows...
[21:35] <balloons> knome, we like that option the best.. JFFI
[21:36] <knome> ;)
[21:40] <knome> balloons, done
[21:41] <balloons> <3 <3


[03:13] <eniLCP__> Sweet - Finally got a chance to get HyperV set back up....Ubuntu install before last crash is still working!


[03:34] <acecase> So I just loaded this up, and it's hands-down the best distro I have ever used (used a lot). Now I find out it's dying. That sucks
[03:35] <acecase> I read that security and bug fixes will be around for until end of support, but I can't find a date on that
[03:36] <SonikkuAmerica> acecase: What version?
[03:37] <acecase> latest
[03:37] <acecase> was it 14 something?
[03:37] <SonikkuAmerica> 13.04
[03:37] <SonikkuAmerica> And whoever said it was dying?
[03:37] <acecase> It's all over the net
[03:38] <SonikkuAmerica> We'll be around loooooong after Mark Shuttleworth runs outta ideas :) nothing to worry about.
[03:38] <acecase> in fact, google lubuntu and you find nothing but stories about it
[03:38] <acecase> that's great news
[03:38] <acecase> I love this distro. It's what I would build if I were that level user
[03:39] <SonikkuAmerica> acecase: Oh we're very much here. Come back during the day and chat with phillw ... or join our Facebook page at facebook.com/Lubuntu.Official.Page
[03:40] <acecase> I can't do facebook for the stalkers, but I'm really glad to hear it
[03:40] <acecase> wonder why everyone thinks the project is dying?
[03:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Because Mint is rising :P
[03:41] <SonikkuAmerica> And Ubuntu is a commercial distro
[03:41] <SonikkuAmerica> (Free, but commercial)
[03:41] <acecase> I'm an idiot. It's Fuduntu that's dying
[03:42] <Unit193> Ah, was going to say you clearly have a different google than I do.
[03:42] <Unit193> Not exactly commercial...
[03:42] <acecase> lol My google is better than your google
[03:42] <SonikkuAmerica> :P
[03:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Now Chromium won't work. Look what you've done! O_o XD
[03:43] <Unit193> (Since it gives you wrong results? :P )  Anywho, did you have a support question?
[03:43] <acecase> I don't, and I'll shut up now. Good night all. Sorry for the confusion
[03:44] <acecase> Now I have to find something else to complain about
[03:44] <Unit193> You're free to join #lubuntu-offtopic too of course. :)
[03:44] <Unit193> :(
[03:53] <Skymont> does lubuntu support readyboost?
[03:54] <Unit193> "ReadyBoost" is a Windows thing, but you can setup /boot/ on a SSD for faster booting, IIRC.
[03:55] <Skymont> its like a disk cache
[04:03] <holstein> Skymont: i set up whatever it is in the asus EEE pc's one time. bootbooster.. or whatever.. i just dont restart the computer that much to care about it
[04:09] <Skymont> i don't think its only for system boot up
[04:10] <Skymont> i think its like setting up the SSD/Flash drive as the virtual memory or something, is this correct?
[04:11] <holstein> asus bootbooster is.. i thought, as Unit193 said, that "readyboots" was for usb drives
[04:11] <holstein> Skymont: yes.. that is what i understood it to be.. a "faster" disk cache, or whatever
[04:13] <Skymont> is there a tutorial on how to set up a flash drive as the virtual memory, i'm sure it will be faster on my laptop than the slower HDD at 5200RPM
[04:13] <holstein> whats the issue?
[04:13] <Skymont> is there a tutorial to set up a flash drive as the disk cache
[04:15] <holstein> i mean, pretty much, you cant make a dollar out of 15 cents... personally, i dont use swap much
[04:15] <holstein> you should check and see if you are even swapping..
[04:23] <holstein> Skymont: i look at my system, and i dont have anything in the swap space, so, adressing the speed of my swap space wont really do anything
[04:48] <Noskcaj> why would you still have a hard drive when SSDs exist?
[05:33] <Skymont> Noskcaj, a 500GB laptop HDD costs around $60, and a 500GB laptop SSD cost around $360
[05:33] <Noskcaj> Skymont, true, but it's so much faster. have an external HDD as well
[09:46]  * Noskcaj is away: I'm either at school or soccer. or i just don't like you.
[11:30] <Hello_world> hey
[11:30] <Hello_world> can someone help me
[13:53] <ianorlin2> how do you connect to wifi on lubuntu my laptop sees the network card
[18:48] <ibere_SP> hi there. I've installed Lubuntu 12.10 in my Athlon XP 1800+. I was running sudo apt-get udpate and after that sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. In the middle of some update, I lost the internet connection. System hang up. I rebooted, sudo apt-get clean and sudo dpkg-reconfigure -all. But system seems frozen, but HDD light is working for more than 1 hour... any clues?
[19:16] <dsan> I have AMD E2-3200 APU graphic card and having trouble with ubuntu's unity. could anyone tell me if I need xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop to get a better GUI performance?
[19:22] <Slendermang> Is this the correct channel if I need help with something?
[19:31] <Skymont> dsan, are there drivers sot that graphics?
[19:33] <dsan> Skymont, lshw -c video shows that it uses " driver=fglrx_pci", do I need to check another driver to improve the graphic card's performance?
[19:36] <Skymont> dsan, i'm a noob, try #Ubuntu
[19:37] <dsan> I tried there but nobody replies my questions
[20:15] <Skymont> maybe just install Linux Mint
[20:16] <Skymont> or Windows
[22:51] <DutyMule> dear lubuntu users! would you say that linux/lubuntu is easy to use for someone coming from windows?
[22:54] <SonikkuAmerica> DutyMule: There's no time like the present to be asking that question. :)
[22:54] <DutyMule> meaning?
[22:55] <SonikkuAmerica> One second...
[22:56] <SonikkuAmerica> Ta-da! Found it... >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu
[22:57] <SonikkuAmerica> One of our little projects, started by amjjawad
[23:00] <DutyMule> I'm actually here witha trolling attempt so dont waste too much time on me
[23:02] <DutyMule> but I went with my problem to#linux
[23:02] <DutyMule> and they said, quote "well your not using an official ubunut, use regular ubuntu or kubuntu" and "lubuntu is crap"
[23:02] <DutyMule> I'm quite baffled
[23:03] <SonikkuAmerica> DutyMule: Trolling attempt? e_e That's not good. The truth is, there are a lot of rumors nowadays that "Lubuntu is dying/dead/crap/etc./etc./etc."
[23:04] <holstein> they?
[23:04] <SonikkuAmerica> (##linux)
[23:05] <DutyMule> obiously xubuntu and kubuntu are fine , but my first pick (lubuntu) is somehow flawed.
[23:05] <DutyMule> I asked them for the table of standarts
[23:05] <holstein> DutyMule: in what way?
[23:05] <holstein> them?
[23:05] <DutyMule> which distro is good and which is not
[23:06] <holstein> good is a matter of opinion
[23:06] <holstein> lubuntu can be tried live.. try it and see if it meets your needs
[23:06] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu.. with lxde and other customizations
[23:06] <DutyMule> I guess software updater wont work in live mode
[23:06] <SonikkuAmerica> DutyMule: You got that right. Nothing's persistent.
[23:06] <DutyMule> that was the first thing I had problem with
[23:07] <holstein> DutyMule: i wouldnt expect to update large parts of the system from *any* live distro
[23:07] <SonikkuAmerica> DutyMule: But that rings true for every Live image on Planet Earth, and some on Vulcan.
[23:07] <DutyMule> I'll now copy over lines from #linux
[23:07] <DutyMule> reisio [R] - the thing in particular is: after all the good things I've been hearing around, I've decided to install lubuntu 13.04 .  I've used some linux live cds before and thopse helped me out. But now I aimed for a desktop.
[23:07] <DutyMule> reisio [R] it installs smoothly, I make a user, choose password, language and timezone. First thing to pop up would be this "software update thingy"
[23:07] <DutyMule> reisio [R] - it asks me to "authenticate"
[23:07] <DutyMule> reisio [R] - I do. It closes, reopens, and asks again. I try again and it closes for sure. How's that for a first experience? First thing you get to, and it is not working.
[23:07] <holstein> DutyMule: what is that?
[23:08] <holstein> DutyMule: how about this.. do you have lubuntu installed? if so, open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to update the os
[23:10] <DutyMule> holstein when I tried to google it from lubuntu - it gave out similar suggestions
[23:10] <DutyMule> holstein but that defeats the whole point of this. Why it simply doesn't work in a first place?
[23:11] <holstein> DutyMule: could be anything from you putting the password in incorrectly, to a bu
[23:12] <holstein> bug*
[23:12] <holstein> DutyMule: if you want to upgrade, use that above, or come here and tell a volunteer what the issue is
[23:13] <DutyMule> holstein , i've later typed my pass in some office app , and tried to copy that over , that did not help either
[23:14] <holstein> DutyMule: is the terminal method working for you?
[23:15] <DutyMule> I've yet to try, I'm on a windows now
[23:15] <DutyMule> I'll try terminal before unistall I guess
[23:16] <DutyMule> I wonder if i had no password chosen for my account in the first place, what would be the behaviour of that auth window
[23:17] <DutyMule> I figured I had to switch back to windows to have IRC capabilities, because in fresh lubuntu I'll need to install either java or irc app, which will prompt me again for a pass
[23:18] <DutyMule> i hoped that your account password and this update authentication turn out to be two different password somehow
[23:19] <holstein> DutyMule: when i moved to linux, i just instaleed it, and ran it.. on a laptop.. i sovled any issues that came up
[23:19] <holstein> a lot of the migration issues are that one is used to another OS..
[23:19] <holstein> things are just different
[23:19] <DutyMule> i guessed i'd have some problems, but not right away. It's not a problem which is caused by some of my habits or something
[23:20] <holstein> DutyMule: i would argue java use is a bad habit..
[23:20] <DutyMule> so i was frustrated and came here and ##linux to troll someone and get some anwers in meantime
[23:20] <DutyMule> holstein i loathe java myself
[23:20] <holstein> DutyMule: try and come here and work with a volunteer when you are not frustrated
[23:21] <holstein> this might help with your idea to troll
[23:21] <holstein> !volunteers | DutyMule
[23:23] <DutyMule> it's not that big issue for me, my first clean attempt did not work, who cares, i'll just go back. If it would a life or death question, I would be polite and nice and all that jazz. As I said at the very top - "i came here to troll, dont waste your time, maybe only if youre absolutely bored"
[23:24] <DutyMule> It's just I heard linux is this ultra-stable remedy for everything, and my first attempt had failed at the very beginning
[23:25] <DutyMule> really not the first attempt, I had tried lubuntu and others on some 2000 hardware, and ithad no gpu drivers for that thing.
[23:26] <SonikkuAmerica> !ot | DutyMule, then this flag is appropriate. So is !troll
[23:26] <DutyMule> But that's quite specific problem
[23:26] <SonikkuAmerica> ( Or #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic )
[23:27] <DutyMule> no, I've ranted my dose, thank you. Have a nice day/night all of you. Live and prosper.
[23:27] <holstein> DutyMule: it works for me, and many
[23:27] <holstein> DutyMule: if not for you.. no big deal
[23:27] <holstein> DutyMule: good luck!
[23:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Isn't it "Live LONG and prosper"? :)


[00:19] <jmarsden> $() is newer bash syntax, and I think it is preferred unless you need your script to work in old versions of bash.  See the Advanced Bash Scripting Guide which says "The $(...)  form has superseded backticks for command substitution."  http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/commandsub.html
[01:19] <henrik-hw0> hi. any chance of requesting an update of libsndfile to 1.0.18 or newer? it brings notable new features such as support for ogg vorbis and flac.
[01:21] <ajmitch> henrik-hw0: not likely to happen in jaunty, since it's released, but we have 1.0.20 in karmic
[01:46] <Ampelbein> nellery: still there?
[01:52] <nellery> Ampelbein: hi
[01:54] <Ampelbein> nellery: hi. about testbuilding (python-)packages: it is extremely useful to add pkgbinarymangler as additional package, either via --extrapackages in pbuilder or as build-dep for ppa-testing. that way, a FTBFS will be shown for the python2.6-dist-packages thing.
[01:55] <Ampelbein> (among other problems, of course)
[01:56] <Ampelbein> nellery: i got this from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-June/005805.html
[01:57] <nellery> Ampelbein: yea, thanks for that
[05:45] <MTecknology> I was trying to follow the Packaging 101 video. I think the video might need to be remade since it seems like much of what was being done in there won't work anymore
[05:46] <MTecknology> the ed version used it's on ftp.gnu.org anymore and when I run "dh" in there, I get this error: dh: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory
[06:16] <therm> someone out there likes reviewing my packages? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libwilluhnutil http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libwilluhnds http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libswtcalendar http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/jameica
[08:34] <therm> someone out there likes reviewing my packages? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libwilluhnutil http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libwilluhnds http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libswtcalendar http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/jameica
[09:09] <micahg> anyone in here familiar with mantis?
[09:11] <micahg> nevermind....
[11:35] <ajmitch> geser: good timing, I was just starting a test build of kxstitch :)
[12:15] <cpscotti> Can anyone review this package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/harpia ? It is a "simulink-like" automatic programming tool for computer vision and image processing.
[12:46] <garyvdm> Hi - I'm trying to test a package with pbuilder. When I run sudo pbuilder create - it does nothing
[12:46] <garyvdm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/205525/
[12:47] <garyvdm> And according to the System Monitor, It's not downloading anything.
[12:49] <JontheEchidna> that's quite strange, I've never seen that happen before
[15:14] <stefanlsd> garyvdm: u there?
[15:14] <garyvdm> HI
[15:14] <garyvdm> How are you?
[15:15] <stefanlsd> heys. good!  we put a mirror in /etc/pbuilderrc
[15:15] <stefanlsd> you prob just want to take that out
[15:15] <garyvdm> Ok
[15:18] <garyvdm> stefanlsd: It's downloading alot, even though I'm building a jaunty. Is there a  way to get it to use a ubuntu cd?
[15:18] <garyvdm> Or apt-cache
[15:20] <stefanlsd> garyvdm: not that i know of. You can pass pbuilder a mirror, so if you could create a 'mirror' repo of the cd, that should work.. if you have an apt-cache repo, that would work
[15:21] <garyvdm> Ok - thanks - I'll look at that - I unfortunately cant use that much bandwidth.
[15:21] <stefanlsd> garyvdm: yeah. you should of actually copied my pbuilder tar.gz files :|
[15:22] <garyvdm> stefanlsd: would it be ok if I poped in on Monday with a flash drive?
[15:23] <stefanlsd> garyvdm: yeah, np
[15:24] <garyvdm> cool.
[15:24] <stefanlsd> garyvdm: (if you wanna come borrow some bandwidth, thats also ok)
[15:28] <c_korn> cpscotti: ping
[16:37] <_dcraven> So.. I'm looking for an package upgrade bug to repackage if there is a newer version upstream compared to the version in the ubuntu repos. Many of these (in LP) are assigned to debbugs meaning the intent is that they are to be upgraded in Debian, then synced. Are we supposed to ignore these?
[16:57] <RainCT> Uhm... launchpad.net, wiki.ubuntu.com, ubuntuforums.org and packages.ubuntu.com are broken :/
[17:00] <iulian> Hmm, indeed.
[17:04] <RainCT> persia: OT, do you happen to know how to concatenate all results of a subquery into a comma-separated string in SQLite?
[18:23] <Laney> wtf
[18:23] <Laney> why do random process bugs suddenly start getting comments months after they were closed?
[18:30] <geser> you mean the lp branches mails?
[19:40] <Telesforo> 18/07/2009 21:00enBB Bino + Insershow + Fu-fu Ai + ...
[19:56]  * directhex tickles Daviey
[19:56]  * Daviey giggles like a little baby
[20:19] <kpirc> Hi all. I need a 2nd advocate for my 'cadabra' package on REVU. Any takers?
[21:05] <mtinman> Hey all, I am trying to build mtftar into a .deb, but the Makefile contains no instructions to install. What commands/code should I add to this file to make it install, so I can get this package built? Any help is much appreciated...
[21:24] <sbasuita> mtinman, just put your install commands into debian/rules
[21:25] <mtinman> sbasuita: In a nutshell, how do I do that?
[21:26] <sbasuita> mtinman, debian/rules is a makefile, so just edit the 'install' rule
[21:26] <mtinman> sbasuita: Cool, thatnks, I'll try that...
[21:27] <mtinman> sbasuita: Where is said file usually located in the file system?
[21:28] <sbasuita> mtinman, root of source package/debian/rules
[21:28] <sbasuita> mtinman, it is pretty vital... how are you packaging this?
[21:29] <mtinman> sbasuita: I'm trying to use the new packager, GiftWrap, and also by command line, which I'm more farmiliar with (I'm older)
[21:29] <mtinman> *Chckle*
[21:30] <mtinman> I am attempting to package mtftar.
[21:31] <cpscotti> Trying again: Can anyone review this package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/harpia ? It is a "simulink-like" visual automatic programming tool for computer vision and image processing. (I know it's not a REVU day.. but..)
[21:31] <sbasuita> mtinman, you should read the packaging guide on the wiki
[21:31] <mtinman> sbasuita: Thanks, I appreciate your help... :-)
[22:14] <masterkernel> Anyone interested in reviewing KernelCheck? (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kernelcheck) I promise I'll stop bugging you guys if someone does ;)
[23:27] <kb9vqf_> Any idea why REVU would crash with this error?
[23:27] <kb9vqf_> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/389-directory-server
[23:27] <kb9vqf_> (The error is on that page)
[23:28] <ajmitch> it's something I've seen before, a problem with the changelog parsing
[23:29] <kb9vqf_> Well, the only thing I changed was this line
[23:29] <kb9vqf_> 389-directory-server (1.2.0-0ubuntu1) karmic; urgency=low
[23:29] <kb9vqf_> Is the version number incorrect?
[23:30] <ajmitch> version number ought to be ok
[23:30] <kb9vqf_> For some reason it is affecting a lot of my packages and I don't know how to fix/work around it
[23:30] <kb9vqf_> Odd
[23:31] <kb9vqf_> I assume that while it crashes no one can review the package?
[23:31] <ajmitch> it makes it difficult to review :)
[23:31] <kb9vqf_> :)
[23:31] <kb9vqf_> Who can I ask to fix it?
[23:31] <ajmitch> have you been working with the debian people about the renaming?
[23:31] <kb9vqf_> Yes I have
[23:31] <kb9vqf_> I contacted Michele (sp?)
[23:31]  * ajmitch has taken a look at the revu problem, but RainCT is probably the most likely to know about this
[23:31] <kb9vqf_> He/she hasn't worked on it in a while
[23:32] <RainCT> ajmitch: which problem?
[23:32] <ajmitch> I may be biased but things like this I'd rather see in Debian first
[23:32] <ajmitch> RainCT: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/389-directory-server
[23:32] <kb9vqf_> ajmitch: Certainly understandable
[23:33] <ajmitch> it's come up before, the changelog parsing seems busted
[23:33] <kb9vqf_> ajmitch But Ubuntu is missing a lot of the other packages that Debian does have, such as jss (which has already gotten one recommendation)
[23:33] <ajmitch> kb9vqf_: I see that I'm still part of the alioth pkg-fedora-ds team, so can probably sponsor uploads there when ready
[23:33] <kb9vqf_> ajmitch: Good! :)
[23:34] <kb9vqf_> ajmitch: As you can see, my servers are almost back up and I'm resuming work on this
[23:34]  * kb9vqf_ was down for way too long...
[23:34] <kb9vqf_> I'll give you a poke when something is ready
[23:34] <ajmitch> the debian NEW queue hasn't been moving fast recently
[23:35] <ajmitch> in the meantime, I guess we can get it into ubuntu
[23:35] <ajmitch> has upstream been moving fast with renaming?
[23:36] <RainCT> kb9vqf_: something in your changelog is very wrong :P
[23:36] <kb9vqf_> RainCT: Yeah, but what?
[23:36] <kb9vqf_> Let me pastebin it
[23:36] <ajmitch> RainCT: the changelog at least looks fairly standard
[23:37] <kb9vqf_> RainCT: Here: http://pastebin.com/m7f997795
[23:37] <kb9vqf_> dpkg-buildpackage had no problems with it
[23:37]  * ajmitch just added a newline to the changelog in the directory to see if that made any difference
[23:37] <RainCT> Can source package names start with a number?
[23:38] <kb9vqf_> RainCT: This went through OK once, then on the second upload it failed
[23:38] <ajmitch> binary packages can, at least
[23:38] <RainCT> ah yes, "must start with an alphanumeric character"
[23:38] <RAOF> RainCT: This has been clarified in policy 3.8.2
[23:39] <kb9vqf_> Hey, it works now...what changed?
[23:39] <kb9vqf_> The newline?
[23:39] <RainCT> anyway, kb9vqf_: your page works now
[23:39] <RainCT> no, I've added some code to catch the exception
[23:39] <kb9vqf_> Thanks! :)
[23:39] <ajmitch> RainCT: any idea why though?
[23:40] <ajmitch> because such an exception shouldn't be raised :)
[23:40] <ajmitch> python-debian is fairly old on there though
[23:41] <RainCT> ajmitch: No. I've just tested it locally and on my PC it works
[23:42] <ajmitch> 0.1.11 has a number of fixes from james_w about changelog parsing
[23:43] <ajmitch> shouldn't be hard to backport to that old hardy system :)
[23:43] <RainCT>   * Overhaul the parsing code to follow that used by dpkg-parsechangelog.py,
[23:43] <RainCT>     making it much more robust.
[23:43] <RainCT>     - There is now a "strict" option to turn warnings in to errors. It is
[23:44] <RainCT>       on by default
[23:44] <RainCT> I guess that's it
[23:45] <RainCT> ajmitch: right, feel free to update the package :)
[23:45] <ajmitch> installing the version from intrepid should just work, I hope
[23:46] <ajmitch> ok, installed that
[23:48] <ajmitch> RainCT_: ok, hopefully it should all magically work now


[01:28] <xnox> czajkowski: ++
[01:28] <xnox> czajkowski: a few years back, i'd have comments about couchbase, but not today. haven't touched that thing in years.
[01:40] <diddledan> I haven't touched couchbase since it changed from memcache
[01:40] <diddledan> membase?
[03:39] <diddledan> so ubuntu 14.10 doesn't work in hyper-v on windows10 preview
[03:39] <diddledan> :-p
[03:50] <shauno> if you're that bored, go to bed :|
[05:15] <mapps> yo
[05:17]  * zmoylan-pi hands mapps a glass of warm milk and sends them back to bed
[05:17] <mapps> :D
[05:17] <mapps> just got home from wrk
[05:17] <mapps> what you doing up?;D
[05:18] <zmoylan-pi> haven't fallen asleep yet
[05:18] <mapps> oh
[05:18] <mapps> guess no work early for you
[05:18] <mapps> :)
[08:19] <Guest55841> morning all
[08:27] <MooDoo> raaaa internet
[08:57] <czajkowski> xnox: :) you settling in well ?
[09:13] <diddledan> mogrnin
[09:13] <diddledan> (I haven't woken up yet)
[09:15] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Stress Awareness Day!  Looks less "muggy".
[10:21] <awilkins> Yeah, was thinking about this : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Unicorn-Leather-Cognac-laptop-Messenger/dp/B007ZDRH2Y/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1415182304&sr=8-5&keywords=leather+laptop+bag+16%22
[10:21] <awilkins> The bods at work struck up a gift collection for me before I left so I have a wodge of Amazon vouchers
[10:22] <awilkins> It's the only leather bag I've seen so far that explicitly states it will hold a large laptop, has padding for it, and has zero negative reviews (and looks good)
[10:23] <TwistedLucidity> Looks pretty decent, nice even stitching. Afraid I don't have any recommendations. As that's a suede-like finish (I forget the actual term) you might want to consider some cleaners/oils to keep it water resistant.
[10:24] <zmoylan-pi> ''
[10:24] <TwistedLucidity> LeatherMaster do a bunch, or pop into the nearest motorcycle clothing store.
[10:30] <BigRedS> I don't think I've ever seen a laptop bag in a bike shop
[10:30] <BigRedS> Though, thinking about it, I've never looked for one...
[10:31] <zmoylan-pi> they would have messenger bags tough maybe
[10:32] <awilkins> I think he's talking about the leather care products
[10:32] <BigRedS> ah yeah
[10:32] <BigRedS> I missed that line
[10:33] <awilkins> Can't tell what kind of leather this is though! How do I buy the right product....
[10:34] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: I was talking about the leather care stuff.
[10:34] <TwistedLucidity> It's a napped leather rather than smooth, it will say on the bottle.
[10:35] <TwistedLucidity> "Aniline" <- that's the word.
[10:36] <awilkins> Acrylic copolymer spray is apparently where it's at
[10:37] <TwistedLucidity> Basically you want something that won't make it shiny, although it will get "polished" with use. A good going over with a stiff/wire brush can sort that
[10:37] <TwistedLucidity> Just like with shoes....
[13:19] <foobarry> anyone still playing gta IV?
[13:19] <foobarry> gta V has FPS mode
[13:22] <popey> yeah, saw the video, looks fun
[13:22] <popey> looking forward to pc version
[13:23] <foobarry> you don't have a console?
[13:23] <popey> i have a 360, but I'm not buying gta 5 on it
[13:23] <foobarry> why's that?
[13:24] <popey> i prefer pc
[13:26]  * MooDoo just purchased a 360 for santa
[13:27] <christel> certainly beats a mince pie
[13:28] <MooDoo> I want a mince pie
[14:03] <Azelphur> woo, I'm getting one of these https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Oct/PCSPECIALIST%20-%20Defiance%2015%2C%20Gaming%20Defiance%2015%2C%20Build%20Your%20Own%20Defiance%2015%2C%20Buy%20Defiance%2015.png :D
[14:05] <BigRedS> that's one hell of a url
[14:05] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:06] <Azelphur> BigRedS: one hell of a url for one hell of a laptop, look at the display :)
[14:07] <BigRedS> does that get shipped built or as a kit?
[14:07] <Azelphur> built
[14:07] <BigRedS> just seems weird to charge £9 for almost no thermal paste
[14:07] <BigRedS> but yeah, that's many dots on that screen
[14:07] <BigRedS> and £50 more than my thinkpad was...
[14:08] <Azelphur> BigRedS: the extra charge is because they have to do it manuall
[14:08] <Azelphur> manually* so time I guess
[14:10] <BigRedS> ah yeah, i just scrolled down, saw that and wondered if you just got a tube of it
[14:12] <Azelphur> haha nope, it's all done for you
[14:24] <TwistedLucidity> Azelphur: Please punt a quick review to here/blog/whatever. Would love to know what they are like in the flesh. Considered getting one but didn't want to buy asight unseen.
[14:24] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: I already have one Clevo laptop, I am impressed enough with it to just throw money at Clevo.
[14:24] <Azelphur> If it's anywhere near as good as my Clevo W110ER, I'll be happy
[14:25] <TwistedLucidity> Sweet. Hope the backlit keyboatd works out.
[14:25] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:26] <TwistedLucidity> In the end I plumped for an older ThinkPad, but would seriously consider one of these in the furture
[14:26] <TwistedLucidity> I like their attitude of "We can't support Linux ourselves, but here's a coummunity; know yourself out"
[14:26] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:27] <TwistedLucidity> Unlike what some other OEMs and shops do (e.g. Currys)
[14:27] <Azelphur> http://www.chip.pl/images/testy/notebooki/notebooki-z-windows-7/clevo-w110er/56117_4.jpg/image_preview
[14:27] <TwistedLucidity> "Knock yourself...."
[14:27] <Azelphur> 11" with an i7 and a GT 650M...that is one well built machine.
[14:28] <TwistedLucidity> 11" eh? That's the size I want for my "chuck in a backpack" unit. Was thinking of getting a X201
[14:28] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: this one fits in my coat pocket
[14:28] <TwistedLucidity> If I put the T430 in a coat pocket, I'd be walking in circles!
[14:29] <popey> hah
[14:29] <Azelphur> haha
[14:29] <zmoylan-pi> 3
[14:29] <TwistedLucidity> Heavy sod. But the attraction was build quality.
[14:29] <Azelphur> I remember when me and popey both had a M1730's
[14:29] <Azelphur> those laptops were the greatest :)
[14:30] <popey> i have never had an m1730
[14:30] <Azelphur> what did you have? I'm sure it was the same as or similar to mine
[14:31] <popey> I had a Dell XPS Gen 2.
[14:31] <Azelphur> ah
[14:31] <Azelphur> yea, they are pretty much the same
[14:32] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: did you see the Clevo that takes desktop LGA2011 CPUs? crazyness xD
[14:33] <TwistedLucidity> Azelphur: Nope, didn't spot that. Was having a rummage at the 10" and 11" models.
[14:34] <TwistedLucidity> Maybe I can save enough money to buy myself a new desktop post-Christmas.....this is all your fault Azelphur!
[14:34] <Azelphur> haha
[14:34] <zmoylan-pi> a rasp pi can be used as a desktop :-p
[14:35] <Azelphur> http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/omegaII/
[14:35] <Azelphur> If it had a >1080 display I'd probably be buying it :(
[14:35] <TwistedLucidity> 17"!
[14:35] <TwistedLucidity> Screens really do let down some systems.
[14:35] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: look at the side on photo rofl
[14:36] <Azelphur> https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/images/products/3789/6_big.jpg?108 this one
[14:36] <TwistedLucidity> "Missing door step? NO PROBLEM!"
 I also saved £79 on one option....
[14:42] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: me neither, I got the i7 six core, 32GB kingson hyperx, nvidia 880Ms, twin 1TB Samsung 840 EVOs, MX-4 thermal compound, and the Intel AC-7260.
[14:52] <popey> tempted to plug my desktop into the telly and use it as a steam box
[14:52] <Azelphur> popey: running SteamOS too?
[14:53] <popey> nah, steam on ubuntu or windows
[14:53] <Azelphur> I see
[16:16] <mapps> hm
[16:16] <mapps> what to do
[16:17] <daftykins> fixed your tubes yet? :)
[16:19] <mapps> gah no ive bene putting off contacting them
[16:19] <mapps> as i know it's gonna be a hassle:(
[16:20] <daftykins> is the language barrier a pain?
[16:20] <daftykins> actually you said they speak it well eh
[16:20] <mapps> na
[16:20] <mapps> they speak english and spanish fluently
[16:20] <mapps> even mixing both mid sentence which is funny
[16:21] <daftykins> :D
[16:21] <daftykins> my mates ADSL finally got enabled today, only 9 days late
[16:21] <mapps> :D
[16:21] <daftykins> i told them there was no service on the line so there had to be a fault at the exchange end
[16:21] <mapps> like my sky that didnt get connected? this was lol
[16:21] <mapps> i paid connection charge..went away to latvia..and come back nothings done
[16:21] <daftykins> they passed a message through to that department who pushed it back to the engineers
[16:22] <daftykins> they came onsite this morning, it was a faulty line card in the exchange like i said at the very beginning
[16:22] <mapps> phone them and they said basically couldnt do phoneline and net at same tie..sometimes cant..so rather than do it seperately they did NOTHING
[16:22] <daftykins> absolute idiots
[16:22] <mapps> line card?
[16:22] <mapps> hm
[16:22] <daftykins> yeah the thing your line connects into at the other end :>
[16:22] <mapps> and how stupid are sky?:P i paid connection fee agreed terms i dont care if i get phoneline or adsl seperate or at same time
[16:22] <daftykins> in the DSLAM basically
[16:23] <mapps> but they did NOTHING when they couldnt do both at same time..so i phone they do phone and say theyll phone in a week
[16:23] <mapps> irritates me when they say they'll phone..i'm not that stupid
[16:23] <mapps> 0 chance they do
[16:23] <mapps> damn tired
[16:23] <mapps> debating doing spinning
[16:23] <daftykins> i don't hugely follow that, one thing at a time 0o granted you have to have a landline before you can apply for a broadband service over here
[16:23] <daftykins> brb
[16:24] <mapps> but im yawning :I
[16:24] <mapps> had to switch my landline to sky..and then get my net upograded they did both orders at once
[16:24] <mapps> then claimed it failed..sometimes does for some reason..so they did nothing
[16:24] <mapps> clearly i still wanted it
[17:11] <daftykins> mapps: fun and games indeed
[18:20] <Azelphur> Does Linux still hate PCIe SSDs?
[18:22] <daftykins> hmm i hadn't even considered support for that
[18:23] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/snspaymkijxsr40/AABXChwPtUmHpWj_42j6osmOa?dl=0
[18:23] <daftykins> i did a lovely build there a bit ago that was using a nice new M.2 SSD :>
[18:23] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:23] <Azelphur> did it work with Linux?
[18:23] <daftykins> i could fire up a live session on it some time to see what it says
[18:24] <daftykins> the boot speed vid is pretty impressive
[18:25] <Azelphur> :)
[18:36] <ali1234> is there a way to force X11 to draw the mouse cursor in software?
[18:39] <Azelphur> ali1234: ftp://www.x.org/pub/xorg/X11R6.7.0/doc/SiS2.html that top thing looks like what you want?
[18:40] <ali1234> what i want is something that will turn off the regular cursor and draw one with a normal window
[18:40] <ali1234> so that if you take a screenshot the cursor will show up in it (without trickery like screenshot tools do)
[18:40] <popey> Azelphur: mSATA SSDs?
[18:41] <Azelphur> popey: no, PCIe (M.2)
[18:41] <popey> oh, desktop?
[18:41] <Azelphur> laptop
[18:42] <popey> link to one
[18:42] <daftykins> M.2 is ace
[18:42] <daftykins> my dropbox link shows one
[18:42] <Azelphur> popey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2 there's an image in there too
[18:42] <daftykins> in the flesh! albeit mounted to a supporting motherboard.
[18:43] <popey> wow, thats tiny
[18:43] <daftykins> they vary in length
[18:43] <popey> what makes you say linux hates them?
[18:43] <daftykins> they typically come off PCI-E lanes direct from the CPU, so i'd imagine the kernel has a few surprises early on
[18:44] <daftykins> NVMe is the newer standard to operate them with too
[18:48] <Azelphur> popey: I've heard people saying you can't boot from them / they need special drivers
[18:49] <ali1234> that stuff is painfully new
[18:49] <ali1234> my brother got a new computer a couple of months ago, ubuntu live cd could not access the ethernet, usb ports, and half the sata ports
[18:50] <ali1234> and neither could windows, even with the drivers from the motherboard cd. we had to download updates from the websites
[19:01] <daftykins> in what can only be described as my biggest 'derp' moment, i just worked out why there are so many fireworks going off tonight
[19:01] <daftykins> ¬_¬
[20:42] <mapps> hi all
[20:44] <daftykins> welcome back
[20:44] <mapps> hey daftykins
[20:44] <mapps> quick question..you ever used MRTG much
[20:44] <daftykins> i'm not even familiar with the acronym off hand
[20:44] <ali1234> i've used it
[20:44] <diddledan> multi router trafic graph
[20:44] <ali1234> all i can remember abut it is that it's really strange
[20:44] <daftykins> D:
[20:44] <daftykins> lol
[20:44] <mapps> is it possible to get it to monitor the wireless on my pi
[20:45] <daftykins> mapps: what's your latest hair-brained scheme exactly? :>
[20:45] <mapps> the sky router doesnt support SNMP or it didnt respond
[20:45] <diddledan> should be, yes
[20:45] <mapps> :D
[20:45] <ali1234> sure, it is just a graphing tool
[20:45] <mapps> yea
[20:45] <ali1234> it can graph any data source you want
[20:45] <diddledan> daftykins: you say "hair-brained" as though that's a bad thing?
[20:45] <mapps> so time to google search
[20:45] <mapps> not sure how to get it to monitor wlan0
[20:46] <ali1234> it doesn't have any built in monitoring capability
[20:46] <mapps> how can i probe wlan?
[20:46] <daftykins> out of interest who's given in and is using heating at home already? :D
[20:46] <mapps> not me
[20:46] <ali1234> daftykins: i've still got the windows open
[20:46] <ali1234> too many computers
[20:46] <daftykins> hahaha
[20:46] <daftykins> nicely insulated place too?
[20:46] <ali1234> not really no
[20:47] <diddledan> I'm too hot and no heating yet
[20:47] <diddledan> two puters at my feet probably don't help
[20:47] <daftykins> i'm fine in t-shirt and thin jacket, but my cat's already going in her bed which she never uses :> https://www.dropbox.com/s/99pnnu611cla8qh/IMG_20141105_002324.jpg?dl=0
[20:47] <diddledan> squeeee!
[20:48] <daftykins> hrmm think i'm going to move the travelling client from Vodafone to O2
[20:48] <daftykins> hopefully they shall be a good improvement reception wise, all around England :>
[22:56] <popey> directhex / daftykins is there some way in steam on Windows to tell big screen to open on the TV rather than PC monitor?
[22:56] <popey> other than set the windows default screen to the tv
[22:56] <popey> or switching off the desktop pc monitor
[22:58] <directhex> popey: apparently settable from the display options inside BPM
[22:58] <popey> i tried that, but it showed two entries for "generic pc monitor" and neither worked, they both kept pc monitor on
[22:58]  * popey tries again
[22:59] <directhex> lol
[22:59] <popey> oh worked that time
[22:59] <popey> must be pilot error
[22:59] <popey> sweet
[23:00]  * popey plays
[23:01] <popey> hmm, doesnt re-route sound too
[23:02] <daftykins> Windows set to the HDMI device?
[23:17] <daftykins> wow an auto-remove on a 14.04 server slowly iterating through older initrd's to remove seems oddly tedious
[23:28] <popey> daftykins: yeah, but it's a faff. ☻
[23:28] <popey> I wanted to just be on my desktop, plug in tv, open steam, off you go
[23:28] <popey> but there's a little fiddling which isn't too bad
[23:29] <popey> I can live with it
[23:29] <popey> Meantime, anyone (I expect Azelphur) tried any bluetooth keyboards with their phone? Cheap and small = better
[23:29] <daftykins> what's the graphics card there? i find they vary a lot with how clever they are with that
[23:29] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bluetooth-Keyboard-iPhone-Symbian-smartphone/dp/B004401ZME that kinda thing
[23:29] <popey> daftykins: nvidia something something
[23:30] <Azelphur> popey: actually nope, never done that
[23:30] <popey> surprising
[23:30] <daftykins> but Azelphur has all the gadgets!
[23:30] <daftykins> popey: hmm, as long as the drivers are new enough, that is a surprise
[23:34] <popey> its a reall old manky tv that the windows box has only just seen for the first time
[23:34] <popey> got a new TV in the lounge, so I got the old one in my den
[23:35] <popey> which triggered the desk moving around to put the pc near the telly, which now is my steam box
[23:37] <daftykins> ah so might be more of a live-plug than a boot-with-connected situation?
[23:37] <popey> no, it was booted with it attached, then i turned it on after boot
[23:37] <popey> nvm, all sorted now ☻
[23:38] <daftykins> ah yes, HDMI likes them on during boot or connect
[23:41] <daftykins> hrmm how strange, i'm proxy'd over SSH through this friends web server, he hosts a website from home and so has just updated the DNS with his new IP after getting a new router from his ISP
[23:41] <daftykins> now however, the wordpress site he hosts doesn't load properly when i try the server's internal IP
[23:41] <daftykins> (DNS has updated correctly for him)
[23:41] <daftykins> also, his domain just gives a 'connection reset' from firefox if i try to go to that, over said proxy
[23:46] <ali1234> popey: i have a bluetooth keyboard, but i don't see the point
[23:46] <ali1234> i literally used it once when i got it and never again
[23:48] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/IPHONE-BLUETOOTH-KEYBOARD-SLIDER-CASE/dp/B0052TI7ZY
[23:49] <ali1234> the jolla keyboard attachment is on kickstarter now. or maybe indiegogo, i don't remember
[23:50] <popey> yeah, thats what got me thinking
[23:50] <popey> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla
[23:50] <ali1234> "the other half" is a really clever idea
[23:50] <popey> yeah
[23:51] <popey> theirs isnt bluetooth though, directly connected over i2c
[23:51] <ali1234> yes, so uses less battery and is immune to interference
[23:52] <popey> wonder how many jolla devices have sold


[12:11] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:12] <rick_h_> morning
[12:16] <_stink_> yo
[12:20] <cmaloney> Whassup in the land of Ubuntu folk?
[12:20] <cmaloney> Ubufolk?
[12:22] <rick_h_> morning
[12:22] <rick_h_> oh I already said that
[12:22] <wolfger> lol
[12:22]  * rick_h_ is sleepy
[12:22] <wolfger> morning
[12:22] <wolfger> We have Ubuntu folk in here?
[12:25] <rick_h_> bwuhahaha my masterpiece https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbkTSHz1jJ4 (well first one ever but still)
[12:28] <wolfger> Nice.
[12:29] <wolfger> Quit watching "rick_h_ moving in doublespeed" at 30 seconds or so, but nice.
[12:29] <wolfger> I like your fishing kayak rig
[12:30] <rick_h_> oh that was the long walk to the lake, then it gets to catching fish
[12:31] <wolfger> yeah, I figured catching fish came next. Another reason I quit watching at 0:30 xD
[12:31] <wolfger> fishing can be enjoyable. So can golf. Watching other people do those things bores me to tears though.
[12:33] <cmaloney> Wow, didn't know rick_h_ was "The Flash"
[12:36] <wolfger> he's got a very good secret identity
[12:38] <rick_h_> whoop
[12:44] <cmaloney> heh


[00:38] <ekristen> what version of mythtv is available in the mythbuntu repositories? it looks like 0.23.1, can anyone confirm?
[01:02] <ekristen> anyone here?
[01:15] <arsty> Hi, I installed a fresh mythbuntu 10.10 and I have a backup file to restore my 9.10 database however the backup/restore GUI in Myth Control Center doesn't recognize my .sql file as a "backup file" and I can't select it.  Is there any way to restore my 9.10 database backup (which used mythconverg_backup.pl)?
[01:21] <arsty> OK.   I'll make a similar one on my old system and bring it over to 10.10 and try the restore (fingers crossed).
[02:29] <arsty> Hi, anyone know which file has the source code to the backup/restore utility in 10.10?  I've been grepping for "This utility is used to backup" and I can't find it.  I want to see what it does to restore my backup of 9.10 into 10.10.  Currently, if I make a backup.tar.gz of 9.10 (with the right files/permissions), I get a Python traceback.
[02:30] <tgm4883> arsty, you have just the sql file?
[02:30] <tgm4883> you got lucky, I'm helping my brother move and stopped to check in for 5 minutes, and I wrote that backup/restore utility
[02:31] <tgm4883> basically, what I would do, since you used mythconverg_backup.pl to back it up, I would go ahead and use mythconverg_restore.pl to restore the database file
[02:31] <tgm4883> that is what that utility does to restore the database file
[02:32] <tgm4883> if you really want to use the utility, it's important that you get the file structure correct in the tar.gz file
[02:32] <tgm4883> also, file any bugs you find with that utility at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[02:32] <Zinn> [bugs.edge.launchpad.net] Bugs in Mythbuntu, Ubuntu derivative focused upon MythTV
[02:34] <tgm4883> also, if you are looking for the source code for that, it is in the mythbuntu-common package, or here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-dev/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-common/annotate/head:/plugins/python/mythbuntu-bare.py
[02:34] <Zinn> [bazaar.launchpad.net] ~mythbuntu-dev/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-common : contents of plugins/python/mythbuntu-bare.py at revision 237
[02:35] <arsty> Hi, I originally had the .sql file but then I found out that 10.10 needs the tar.gz file with the right file structure.   So I made a tar.gz file by had with the right structure/permissions and now I'm trying to restore my 9.10 into a fresh 10.10.
[02:36] <arsty> I'm concerned that my passwords have changed and if I do a simple .sql restore it might not work.
[02:36] <arsty> I would like to change my 10.10 passwords to be the same as 9.10.
[02:37] <tgm4883> IIRC, password information isn't going to be kept in the database
[02:37] <tgm4883> if you do want to change it though, follow this
[02:37] <tgm4883> !mysql
[02:37] <arsty> Should the backup utility in 10.10 handle a hand-made tar.gz made from 9.10.  If so, I will open a bug with the traceback.
[02:37] <Zinn> If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[02:38] <tgm4883> arsty, it might, if you put the sql file in the right directory
[02:38] <tgm4883> go ahead and open a bug and I'll look at it
[02:39] <tgm4883> arsty, yea open up a bug on it, that way I can verify if it's something that I should be concerned about
[02:40] <tgm4883> i'm headed back out for a few hours, but I'll check in when I get back
[02:40] <arsty> OK.  I'll do that first before I mess/fix things.  Do you want the traceback here?
[03:00] <arsty> I filed bug 661976
[03:00] <Zinn> Bug 661976 in mythbuntu "Restoring from 9.10 to 10.10 gives traceback" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/661976
[14:00] <rileyp>  http://pastebin.com/Xph1HkLG can someoen look at my log and explain wtf is going wrong
[14:01] <rileyp>  http://pastebin.com/Xph1HkLG can someone look at my log and explain what is going wrong
[14:46] <bogus-> everything.
[14:50] <qwebirc43803> I have installed mythbuntu 10.10. I got it working somewhat. I can scan channels and it will bring up the channels with mplayer, but it is stuck on analog in mythtv. I got it working once, but once I used the dvd player and went back to watch tv it would not go out of analog again.
[14:51] <qwebirc43803> I have re-done all the connections in the backend the same way that got it working the once but still cannot get it to switch from analog to digital
[14:51] <qwebirc43803> is there a way to force it to start in digital or disable the analog?
[14:53] <qwebirc43803> on top of that I cannot get it to boot up without using a separate boot disk. It goes to grub error 17 when trying to use the mbr. I have tried repeatedly to reinstall grub to no avail and I have also verified bios settings
[14:54] <qwebirc43803> I have a hauppage hvr 1600
[14:55] <qwebirc43803> 2 G of Ram and an amd 1900+ processor
[16:40] <greg> qwebirc43803, If you have 2 tuners,one analog and one digital,and you want the Digital to start first you must assign the digital card first in mythtv-setup... To switch from analog to digital on the fly hit M then switch inputs..
[22:21] <qwebirc72965> Just installed 10.10. Works great, except my StreamZap remote "skips". It behaves like it is sending two command for every one arrow command. Any advice?


[00:49] <tsmann> Any One Live?
[00:51] <tsmann> Ok well I'll check back later
[03:19]  * tonyyarusso is alive
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> h00k fails at researching hardware before buying.
[05:44] <tonyyarusso> Hey h00k, the Nagios self-paced training program finally launched for real today.


[16:12] <bluesabre> flocculant: shimmer-themes daily ppa should build numix correctly now
[16:13] <bluesabre> (new builds are up)
[16:13] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi: poke
[16:15] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi: so, numix git is not as broken as what we currently have. I'm thinking: drop alabtross, bluebird along with orion and add git snapshots of greybird and numix in the next package upload.
[18:10] <Unit193> \o/
[19:11] <bluesabre> xfce4-power-manager builds in the xubuntu daily ppa should be fixed now, packages building
[19:14] <bluesabre> I think for my apps (catfish, mugshot, menulibre), I am going to change the ppa packaging schemes... single PPA, and {app}, {app}-devel/beta/unstable (something) and {app}-daily packages
[19:14] <bluesabre> make it easier to switch tracks and test
[19:14] <bluesabre> anyway, heading out now, bbabl
[19:20] <bluesabre> yay, updated xfpm packages are now in https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[19:20] <bluesabre> enjoy!
[19:20] <bluesabre> bbl
[19:30] <flocculant> jjfrv8: you did poll before just like dkessel - I removed them so it was easier for me to see who'd polled not 'team'
[19:30] <flocculant> same with akxwi-dave's
[19:31] <flocculant> looking like 16:00
[19:32] <akxwi-dave> howdo
[19:32] <flocculant> evening akxwi-dave
[19:42] <akxwi-dave> hows things going?
[19:55] <flocculant> not too bad :)
[20:19] <ochosi> evening all
[20:19] <ochosi> bluesabre: poke back
[20:20] <Unit193> No, scratch his back for him!
[20:21] <flocculant> evening ochosi
[20:21] <ochosi> hey flocculant
[20:21]  * ochosi scratches Unit193's back
[20:52] <knome> bluesabre, wfm
[20:56] <ochosi> bluesabre: numix and greybird from git is fine by me, i can do a new release of greybird anytime though. mostly need to fix the linked buttons, then i'm ready
[22:47] <knome> pleia2, i don't know what's up with the tracker/server, but it seems that it's losing the bugs spec now and then
[22:47] <knome> pleia2, if you look at the burndown, you'll notice a few days when it has failed to get it on the last attempt for the day


[08:41] <sakrecoer_> i seem to always sleep when someone is asking question in #ubuntustudio
[08:42] <sakrecoer_> could we have ubottu give a message after 5-7 minutes of post-question silence?
[08:42] <sakrecoer_> reffering to the list...
[08:43] <sakrecoer_> maybe its hardcore stuff to fix... i'm think chats thats finish with a question mark, if no answer after x minutes, then ubottu say "hi, i'm sexybot, have you try list?"
[08:45] <sakrecoer_> had funky dream btw, this guy had fixed a program that took the gpg sum and the 2 keys to recreate the file. and then we emailed petabytes to eachother :D
[12:05] <zequence> There's already one bot out there with immense powers. They're calling it Google :)
[12:06] <zequence> But, it's a great idea. If it remembers who it has given information in the past, it won't need to repeat itself
[12:07] <zequence> We do have the welcoming text which could be used for that though
[14:26] <sakrecoer_> yes!! those who tend to leave before they get an answer, tend to join the channeljust briefly before asking the quesiton...
[14:26] <sakrecoer_> so wellcoming text would be equal to ubottu AI addition...


[08:20] <ricotz> tseliot1, hi :), I assume 304.137 and 340.104 is already on your list?
[08:31] <tseliot1> ricotz: yes
[08:31] <tseliot1> ricotz: I was waiting for the public release
[08:47] <ricotz> great
[09:43]  * tseliot1 working on the legacy drivers now
[12:12] <soee_> is there some noew version planned soon ? :)
[12:13] <mamarley> soee_: A new version of what?
[12:14] <soee_> mamarley: nvidia driver
[12:15] <mamarley> New legacy drivers were just released.  Judging by the normal release schedule, I would also expect a new release of the latest branch sometime in the next couple of weeks.
[12:15] <mamarley> (That's just a guess, I have no insider information from NVIDIA.)
[14:39] <tseliot> ricotz, mamarley: I've just uploaded the new 304 and 340 in artful
[14:39] <mamarley> tseliot: Awesome, I will test it later today.
[14:39] <tseliot> thanks!
[16:37] <mamarley> tseliot: It looks like NVIDIA made a booboo when they were updating kernel support in 340.104.  A stripped-down version of buildfix_kernel_4.11.patch is still required: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25580747/
[16:47] <tseliot> mamarley: oh, I didn't test uvm. Thanks for finding out the failure. I'll fix it tomorrow


[19:07] <Ali> Hi team
[19:07] <Ali> is there any one available
[19:08] <Guest21759> hi
[19:08] <Guest21759> is anyone here
[19:08] <Guest21759> ?
[19:09] <wxl> what can we do for you folks?
[19:09] <Guest21759> I need bit support configure ubuntu maas 2.1.3
[19:09] <Guest21759> I need bit support to configure ubuntu maas 2.1.3
[19:10] <wxl> Guest21759: are you looking specifically for localized support?
[19:10] <Guest21759> not localized just have some general queries
[19:10] <Guest21759> could you type fast
[19:11] <Guest21759> please
[19:11] <wxl> then i would suggest contacting maas support directly
[19:11] <Guest21759> ok
[19:11] <Guest21759> can you please share the chat link for maas support
[19:11] <wxl> that's #maas on this network
[19:12] <Guest21759> I don't see #maas
[19:13] <wxl>  /join #maas
[19:13] <Guest21759> great