[00:00] <redtape|renegade> chalcedony: Why's that ? What do you call your Wifi Network ?
[00:01] <chalcedony> redtape|renegade, i prefer not to type bad words on irc
[00:14] <redtape|renegade> Scopes look good too | Kinda like an associative thesaurus of results in one pane ::: .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzXvZt0TUCg   :::
[01:20] <redtape|renegade> Must have sold 15 pizzas in 15 minutes now the clubs have just closed .. if only they'd all watch on of these ,.... they'd save £15 easy. ::: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3AcK7-L_R4 :::
[01:35] <redtape|renegade> OT | Happy Caturday .. http://bit.ly/14HglsJ
[07:35] <popey> morning
[07:37] <AlanBell> morning popey
[07:37] <MartijnVdS> \o alans
[07:38]  * AlanBell checks the chickens http://hencam.libertus.co.uk/
[07:40] <popey> aww nice
[07:40] <MartijnVdS> so you don't have to go out into the sun 8-)
[07:41] <popey> that works really well
[07:43] <AlanBell> yeah
[07:43] <AlanBell> power over ethernet to the henhouse
[07:43] <AlanBell> only using it for power, the camera is wireless
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: did you use the "bad" cable, or did you get new copper cable?
[07:44] <AlanBell> that is with the aluminum cable, it works fine, nothing feels warm
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: and one of those PoE sets? cool!
[07:44] <AlanBell> I probably could save a couple of watts by going copper at some point
[07:44] <AlanBell> if I put a spade through the cable I probably will
[07:46] <AlanBell> might ajust the focus, it seems a bit short sighted
[09:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:09] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:10]  * MartijnVdS "make -j 8"s OpenWRT
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> let's see how fast this machine can go :)
[09:10] <brobostigon> :)
[09:14] <brobostigon> this is so funny, ann widdecombe on saturday kitchen.
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> wow, CPU temp is 65°C max.
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> (with -j9)
[09:37] <brobostigon> good or bad ?
[09:38] <Seeker`> 65 is pretty acceptable
[09:38] <brobostigon> :)
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: I'm using a Cooler Master Seidon cooler
[09:38] <Seeker`> given it is probably quite heavily loaded
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: it's fully loaded
[09:39] <Seeker`> MartijnVdS: Which CPU?
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: building OpenWRT on 4+4 cores (4 + hyperthreading)
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: 4770k (originally 3.5GHz running at 4GHz)
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> \o/ water cooling
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> The Interweb claims: " As a rule of thumb I normally aim (and so do most people) to keep their temperatures below a maximum of 80c, but ideally you would be wanting to find a voltage where the CPU was stable and did not go above 70c under load for 24/7 use."
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> so 65 seems pretty good
[09:40] <Seeker`> MartijnVdS: Nice. I've got a 3930k clocked at 4.2GHz. Usually stays below 70 when fully loaded, using a corsair H100
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> turbostat \o/
[09:42] <Seeker`> you should be able to get more out of it than 4GHz
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: yeah, I've clocked one (not mine ;)) at 4.5GHz last week at the "overclocking master class" at the place where I bought it
[09:43] <Seeker`> nice
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> but that had a bigger water block on it
[09:43] <Seeker`> ah
[09:43] <Seeker`> I really like my H100, only problem with it is that I have to take the side of the case off to change fan speeds
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: mine his a 4-lead fan, so it's automatic (PWM on the motherboard)
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> 4-wire fan lead, actually
[09:54] <SuperEngineer> morninks folks
[09:55] <SuperEngineer> before I go out, here is today's guessing game...
[09:55] <SuperEngineer> http://imagebin.org/260645 - that is a snip from my desktop background
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> well it's not 4.10 ;)
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> or 5.04
[09:56] <SuperEngineer> ....which release was it from... #7 for double points, what was the image called?
[09:56] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: correct so far ;)
[09:57]  * MartijnVdS has to go afk now, sorry
[09:59] <naderp> rluz
[09:59] <naderp> \nick oberluz
[10:16] <Seeker`> SuperEngineer: 9.10, misty morning
[10:17] <SuperEngineer> Seeker`: you win!  ... get the double points bonus as well! [prize is permission to smile]
[10:19] <SuperEngineer> [& the virtual cuddly toy koala to with it]
[10:32] <SuperEngineer> http://imagebin.org/260647 ...& whilst reminiscing - fond memories of netbook remix
[10:44]  * SuperEngineer is off out to enjoy some sunshine
[11:23] <StevenR> hrrm. looking for a download queuing application.... basically feed it a load of URLs and it'll grab them in the middle of the night when b/w is "cheap"
[11:32] <dwatkins> at and wget?
[12:06] <popey> yeah, i tend to just chuck a load of wgets in a script and run it later
[12:25] <shauno> wget will take a list of urls from a file with -i; I'd assume it's not too much work from there, some use of --no-clobber so you don't refetch them every night, and cron?
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> shauno: will that read a named pipe? :)
[12:36] <shauno> I guess so?  but pipes don't tend to like that.  I think if there's nothing reading from it, the write will hang until there is ?
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> ah yes.. hmm
[12:36] <shauno> so if you cron wget to fire at midnight, echo url>pipe is going to be waiting quite a while
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> you'd need something that reads URLs, then writes them to the named pipe wget -i is using when bandwidth becomes cheap :)
[12:44] <shauno> actually, that sounds like a fairly sane start for a useful tool.  something that writes the first line of a file to stdout, and then writes the rest of the file back to the original
[12:45] <shauno> give it a non-zero exit status if the file is empty, and it'd live in loops quite happily
[13:21] <daftykins> when you create init.d scripts, do you have to run something to tell the system 'i just made these, run them at boot please' ?
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: yes, update-rc.d
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: with some options usually
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> (check the man page, I haven't done it in ages)
[13:22] <daftykins> ah righty-o :) thanks
[13:22] <daftykins> aaah what another glorious sunny day
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> yes, a bit of a cold wind though
[13:23] <daftykins> my townhouse here is sheltered on all sides pretty much
[13:23] <daftykins> proper sun trap little courtyard off the kitchen :>
[13:24] <shauno> it's not often I'd rather be here than the continent, but it's pretty stunning here.  25º by the ocean is perfect.  shame it's so rare
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> we're having a 20°C day today, after a week of 25s
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> still a lot of sun though
[13:26] <shauno> it's kinda back-to-front having no clouds in ireland, but reading about flooding in central europe
[13:27] <daftykins> haha
[13:27] <daftykins> 25 over there!? wow
[13:28] <daftykins> this pub landlord last night, typically a quite old-man like pub, he gave a couple of my friends lifts home because their taxis hadn't turned up - hah!
[13:30] <shauno> I'm torn.  I want to go for a wander with the camera, but I'm not sure I want to put a shirt on.  but the weather's giving us 6 days of rain starting tomorrow, so perhaps I shouldn't spend the day evaporating
[13:30] <daftykins> haha one day of good is your little window, ouch
[13:30] <daftykins> enjoy it while you can!
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> also, Formula 1 (quali) in 20 minutes
[13:31] <daftykins> so even more reason to leave the house? ;)
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> <no comment>
[13:32] <daftykins> :D
[13:32] <daftykins> i tease
[13:32] <daftykins> a friend and his gf were at the last F1 actually, as they're both fans
[13:33] <daftykins> they had pics up of them sat on the grass at one corner
[14:15] <redtape|renegade> Morning.. 'noon' Whatever .. Allo
[14:17] <redtape|renegade> ^aDaM, Thought I'd share a message as I like the style of yur nick :) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55128914/Attachments%20Email%20Xchat/This%20Developer%27s%20Life%20-%202_0_4%20Taste/scaled_full_e5d5653cc32b6d4a7fb8.jpg
[14:20] <redtape|renegade> Lookind at a post on "End Game" & thnking about my close brush with deathr last night .. [ | Just because | ].. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5745210/
[14:21] <redtape|renegade> Does anyone think these book are a good read ?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_%2528Derrick_Jensen_books%2529
[14:23] <redtape|renegade> Whoopsie .. Looks like the 3rdway of the wiki is not doing so well .. --> Here's the Proper Weblink :::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_(Derrick_Jensen_books) :::
[14:51] <daftykins> http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aVOjpvO_700b.jpg
[14:51] <daftykins> impressive ^
[15:15] <redtape|renegade> daftykins: opening ..
[15:16] <redtape|renegade> Ya .. thanx .. I'll hack that for 5mins ..
[15:19] <redtape|renegade> S.0 .. this symbol .. http://bit.ly/UnLuckyForSomeMaybeLBS
[15:20] <redtape|renegade> Ofcourse these are all the work of RedBubble .. any acquaintance .. http://www.redbubble.com/people/robbrown/works/8613327-ubuntu-linux-for-human-beings
[15:21] <redtape|renegade> i wonder iif al of these symbols in the original Poster canj be adapted for use in Public Environs ? [ Que the vox of the mistorons ..]
[15:23] <daftykins> what are all the work of who?
[15:24] <redtape|renegade> .. Lets pic a public amenity .. Maybe A Bench .. Like this one ---- >  http://r.ebay.com/lIDqqJ
[15:24] <redtape|renegade> daftykins: Hangon .. I've not finshed the hack yet ..
[15:25] <redtape|renegade> Oh .. my 5 mins is up .. My G-shock baby watch says so ..
[15:25] <redtape|renegade> Oh well .. how did I do .. lets have a looksie ..
[15:26] <redtape|renegade> A public bench .. in a commuter area .. Costco .. £1.95K
[15:29] <redtape|renegade> Complete with 129x customised stickers from Redbubble .. at $3 each .. that's £248.75 GBP..
[15:30] <redtape|renegade> and a ongoing cost to clean up the beanch .. Prob.ly £5 per week ..
[15:30] <redtape|renegade> **bench..
[15:32] <redtape|renegade> Total cost .. £2198.75 ~(initially).. Plus £305.50 a year (cleaning-up-task) ..
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> what kind of bench is that?
[15:33] <redtape|renegade> A victiorain one .. very comfy ..
[15:33] <MartijnVdS> a gold-plated one?
[15:33] <redtape|renegade> Gold was scarce in that era .. but a good decentralised currency all the same ..
[15:37] <redtape|renegade> MM .. looking at the post by Claude .. [ http://bit.ly/11MpIoT ] i wonder why he would ask me to 'fruish' a meme for £32748.75  .. well to do it ethically in a Britich juristiction .. all so I can enjoy the sun (?) ...
[15:38]  * redtape|renegade slaps his cerebral- forehead to shut the fud up !
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: (tip: if most of the screen is you typing things, people aren't responding ;))
[15:38] <daftykins> XD
[15:38] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: I know I was geting to that ..
[15:39] <daftykins> sunny day, peeps still wearing coats walking along the high-street
[15:39] <daftykins> things i do not get.
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: when I was at the very first "UDS" (it wasn't called that yet) in december '04, in Mataro (near Barcelona), it was 20-25°C outside
[15:41] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: I was wondering if there was a way to get messages thru to people on 'flickr'  .. or don't you bother .. (redtape is bemused by the process)..
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: and those weird Spaniards were walking around in *winter coats*
[15:41] <redtape|renegade> daftykins: I know a guy ..
[15:41] <redtape|renegade> Who is in the front beach ..
[15:41] <redtape|renegade> sat in a a dingy with a Tennants .. singing ..
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: there's a flickr-mail system, if you go to their profile, there's a "Send FlickrMail" in the "..." dropdown on the right
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: if you're logged in
[15:43] <redtape|renegade> "Return to Innocence " by Enigma .. Some people call it a day if the cops are out of reach ..
[15:43] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: haha that was like aus
[15:43] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Right .. I'll make a note .. and test the beligerent sys.. of yours ..
[15:45] <redtape|renegade> daftykins: i wouldn't mind but I can only tell he has no top on .. Everyone seeing is wondering if the singer is planning Full Monty before the air seeps out ..
[15:45] <daftykins> >_<
[15:46] <ali1234> gimp 2.8 has a really nasty memory leak
[15:46] <ali1234> it will exhaust 16GB of ram in a couple of hours with no user interaction
[15:46] <ali1234> this will freeze the computer
[15:47] <ali1234> if i hadn't disabled swap i probably would have lost a few hours work because of this
[15:49] <daftykins> you turned it on once you freezed to rescue it?
[15:49] <ali1234> no
[15:49] <ali1234> because i have disabled swap, the kernel simply killed it when it hit 16GB
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> should have used gimp:i386, then it couldn't have used >4GB :P
[15:50] <ali1234> if swap were enabled it would have completely frozen the computer
[15:50] <ali1234> i would have to press ctrl-alt-f1, wait 10 minutes, log in (typing 1 character per minute) and then kill gimp (again, typing 1 character per minute) because as soon as linux uses any swap at all it totally freezes up the entire system
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> ooh.. Ubuntu/saucy is installing libwayland*..?
[15:51] <redtape|renegade> ali1234, Surely this is just a value in the package , right . have you tried the mailing list ? http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-user%40lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/
[15:51] <ali1234> wat
[15:52] <ali1234> actually i was just going to go to their irc and ask how to debug memory leaks
[15:52] <ali1234> but the answer is valgrind anyway
[15:52] <ali1234> this leak is really bad. i mean it's crashed 3 times today so its not hard to reproduce
[15:52] <ali1234> it leaks about 3MB/sec
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> that's a lot
[15:52] <ali1234> yeah
[15:52] <ali1234> gotta love gtk
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> a bad Qt app would leak just as much
[15:53] <ali1234> the other weird thing is that it makes the mouse pointer turn into a "wait" logo regularly (like every 0.5 seconds)
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: my gimp stays at virt: 505m res: 64m shr: 20m
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: 2.8.4-1ubuntu1 (saucy)
[15:54] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3icg6-UjeSM
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: mine doesn't use CPU at all
[15:54] <ali1234> look at the mouse pointer and notice it's pegging the cpu and allocating absurd amounts of memory
[15:55] <ali1234> it doesn't do this when  first start it up
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: so it's a problem on your system
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> even after loading an image
[15:55] <ali1234> only after i have been using it for a while
[15:55] <ali1234> please try applying filters to the image
[15:55] <ali1234> and drawing on it
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> oh, so some tool or script is broken, probably?
[15:55] <ali1234> and then applying for filters
[15:55] <ali1234> for about 3 hours
[15:55] <ali1234> yes, probably
[15:57] <redtape|renegade> ali1234, All In know about QA is wat UbuntuUk podcast tells me .. i.e. last one @ 20mins40s  .. [ shameless plug ]
[15:57] <ali1234> i have a feeling it is undo related
[15:59] <daftykins> redtape|renegade: are you IRC'ing from the beach or does your room have a view?
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: isn't the Isle one big beach? :)
[16:00] <redtape|renegade> ali1234: No, but this #channel isn't all about gimp .. AKA 'Dork' on Linux Tycoon ..
[16:00] <redtape|renegade> daftykins ..I'll PM you a puicture v. good view BTW..
[16:01] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Beaches and bike crashes .. Thomas the Tank engine .. makes a splash now and again ..
[16:01] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: a fair assumption
[16:01] <daftykins> redtape|renegade: also 'front beach' as opposed to...?
[16:03] <redtape|renegade> daftykins: Yes, that was a typo .. I was going to say **MY** front beach which is more explanatory to the way I see things .. but my spigot of expresion got lost in "Is that to the High water mark" or not ? .. and bottleed it in the millisecond ..
[16:07] <mungbean> anyone used http://tuxonice.net/
[16:12] <mungbean> my laptop is suffering suspend issues
[16:16] <daftykins> doesn't resume?
[16:17] <redtape|renegade> I'm buying a back-up phone for travelling to conferences .. just in case the U-phone doesn't work .. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/micro-phone-the-tiny-mobile-device-with-a-big-idea
[16:18] <daftykins> that guy is rocking ext2 in his vid
[16:19] <mungbean> daftykins: doesn't suspent most of the time
[16:19] <mungbean> fan comes on, goes crazy, tries to burn house down
[16:20] <daftykins> D:
[16:22] <mungbean> happens with windows too sometimes
[16:22] <mungbean> tis my work laptop i had no choice over
[16:23]  * redtape|renegade looks for usage of his 8x  AA batteries on thinkgeek.com . [ o the import chages AAaargh !]
[16:25] <daftykins> mungbean: ah, don't wanna risk say - a BIOS update then?
[16:33] <redtape|renegade> daftykins: Soo it looks like I've got two options for Xmas present for my family this year .. This one http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/c4e1/ Or this one .. http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ef56/
[16:37] <daftykins> http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/apqKjRb_700b_v1.jpg
[16:37] <daftykins> think that's the Guernsey boat to England
[16:37] <redtape|renegade> opening ..
[16:38] <redtape|renegade> .. where's ENGland .. ? Oh you mean Angleterre . very good ... ^_^
[16:38] <penguin42> mungbean: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspendHibernateResume
[16:54] <redtape|renegade> OT | Caffrey's shandy time .. only got blueberry's on the fridge thou for afters ..
[16:54] <daftykins> i have heated pains au chocolat \o/
[16:55]  * popey makes pancakes
[16:55] <redtape|renegade> v. quick there daftykins | are you playing portal today or something ?
[16:55] <redtape|renegade> Arrr damn ..
[16:55]  * penguin42 burps ice cream
[16:57]  * redtape|renegade runs for the DVD collection .. to console his recent spree of no-moderator happiness | It had to end sometime .. I'll take off my blaggard badge now like the sheriff of loneliness I am ..
[16:59] <daftykins> shouldn't we... notify the parents, or the Isle of Man authorities or something?
[17:00] <daftykins> if i got much money for committing him i'd donate it to Canonical.
[17:01] <penguin42> can you get money for committing people, if so I think there are a few people I could make a profit off
[17:01] <daftykins> i hear that you can
[17:01] <daftykins> not sure if it's universal though :(
[17:01] <shauno> I'd like to point out I'm in a different juristiction :)
[17:02] <penguin42> I'm sure we can get around that
[17:02] <DJones> If you got money for commiting him and donated it to Canonical, they'd have more free cash than Apple and could but Microsoft with loose change
[17:02] <DJones> s/but/buy/
[17:04] <daftykins> shauno: don't worry i have friends in Irish places
[17:04] <daftykins> :D
[17:05] <czajkowski> how may I be of service :)
[17:05] <shauno> what on earth would you buy msft for?
[17:05] <daftykins> perhaps he had a dream of riding the Titanic
[17:05] <daftykins> *drums*
[17:05] <daftykins> czajkowski: any ideas if you earn money for committing people in Ireland?
[17:06] <shauno> in my mind, msft have been a non-entity ever since they killed Flight Simulator.  just ignore them and they'll go away :)
[17:06] <czajkowski> daftykins: narp
[17:10] <daftykins> genuinely though, redtape scares me.
[17:12] <shauno> he's certainly a character
[17:13] <daftykins> ^_^
[17:26] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[17:27] <daftykins> heya
[17:27] <daftykins> how do?
[17:33] <bigcalm> Be do be do be do
[17:33] <bigcalm> Nibbling beef jerky and enjoying the afternoon sun from the safety of indoors
[17:33] <bigcalm> Hope I'm not missing much
[17:34] <penguin42> you'r missing ice cream in the sun
[17:34] <bigcalm> Awww
[17:35] <daftykins> haha
[17:35] <daftykins> penguin42: are you IRC'ing from outside? ;)
[17:38] <penguin42> no, not today - I've been out and walked around in the sun, sat around slowly eating lovely ice cream
[17:38] <daftykins> :>
[17:40] <penguin42> nice italian ice cream place in manchester; do a lovely dark chocolate sorbet
[17:44] <daftykins> penguin42: wellity wellity
[17:44] <daftykins> why can't they separate builds of Steam so i'm not getting updates to fix issues on other platforms than mine :(
[17:45] <popey> lo bigcalm
[17:45] <penguin42> daftykins: You see the same things in .deb's as well - package updates where the package has been rebuilt for a different arch
[17:45] <penguin42> popey: Back on solid ground?
[17:45] <popey> ya
[17:45] <popey> room was still swaying earlier though
[17:46] <penguin42> haha - the waves on the canals aren't quite that high are they?
[17:46] <daftykins> XD
[17:49] <popey> ☻
[17:50] <daftykins> oh the dilemma, meant to go to a social function this eve but don't want to
[17:54] <bigcalm> Evenin' popey :) Welcome back you scurvy sea dog
[17:57] <penguin42> popey: So what tech were you running on it, you said it had it's own IRC server, what was it running on?
[18:08] <popey> penguin42: an android phone
[18:09] <popey> one of the guys shared his 3g over wifi and put an irc server on the phone too for fun
[18:09] <popey> I took a battery with me to keep my phone topped up because we were led to believe there were not many sockets, turned out there were plenty, but the battery was handy anyway
[18:13] <shauno> no pi?
[18:19] <popey> nope
[18:19] <popey> there were a few laptops there
[18:19] <popey> they didn't get a lot of use
[19:55] <diplo> evening all
[19:56] <diplo> Any suggestions, got some videos on a dvd
[19:56] <popey> eh?
[19:56] <diplo> Trying to copy off but getting can't copy on one
[19:56] <diplo> Just about to get error, files with play ok, tried dding the disc and copy that way and still fails
[19:56] <diplo> So maybe an issue with the file ?
[19:57] <penguin42> diplo: Is it a commerical disk or one you recorded?
[19:57] <diplo> If I can watch it, maybe a way of copying it off another way ?
[19:58] <diplo> Some recorded stuff
[19:58] <diplo> It's not a drm issue if that's what you meaning.
[19:58] <penguin42> commercial disks have encrypted stuff at the drive layer that needs decoding to let you even read the files
[19:58] <daftykins> diplo: ddrescue
[19:59] <diplo> Copies about a few hundred mb, about half way before stopping
[19:59] <penguin42> (then I'm not entirely sure what happens given that I think video sectors are longer sectors - wth happens to those at the file level?)
[19:59] <penguin42> ok
[19:59] <penguin42> diplo: Doesn't it happen on the 1st sector of the file you're trying to read?
[19:59] <daftykins> if it's a production film DVD, Sony ARccOS can be a pain
[20:00] <diplo> Ooh, I've heard of that but never used it. I'll google a mo ta
[20:00] <diplo> Error splicing file: Input/output error
[20:00] <diplo> nah, just a personal vid
[20:00] <diplo> Nope
[20:00] <penguin42> diplo: Does it always stop at the same point?
[20:01] <diplo> yep, exactly the same point
[20:02] <penguin42> tried another drive?
[20:02] <diplo> That's the only thing I haven't yet, but copied about 5 discs so far
[20:03] <diplo> just 1 file on 1 disc :)
[20:03] <diplo> I've probably got a backup somewhere else, but rather not have to find it :)
[20:03] <penguin42> yeh so you've got something between marginal and duff sector, with any luck another drive might read it
[20:06] <diplo> Just trying ddrescue, but will try another drive tomorrow
[20:10] <daftykins> whoops.
[20:11] <penguin42> whoops?
[20:11] <daftykins> diplo: that's exactly what happens with ARccOS infected DVDs, when ripping ones collection to ISO.
[20:12] <daftykins> penguin42: i was trying to be funny about the nickname and the netsplit ;)
[20:12] <penguin42> oh, didn't see a split here
[20:12] <bigcalm> Excess flood, not a net split
[20:12] <bigcalm> Whoop* needs to sort out their connection
[20:15]  * diplo googles arccos
[20:16] <diplo> ah defo not protected files
[20:17] <daftykins> anyone remember that US show 'Boy Meets World'? heh
[20:18] <bigcalm> Would a channel op like to set a fancy ban on Whoop?
[20:18] <daftykins> that would be spiffing
[20:18] <bigcalm> Myrtti: ^^ :)
[20:19] <daftykins> Myrtti: i'll top up your wine if you do
[20:19] <popey> stupid lag
[20:19] <Myrtti> ho hum
[20:19] <Myrtti> yeah, indeed
[20:19] <popey> nickserve isn't working
[20:19] <Myrtti> stypid lag
[20:19] <popey> so i cant
[20:20] <daftykins> aww
[20:20] <daftykins> who keeps hammering freenode of late?
[20:20] <diplo> hBeing ddos'd
[20:20] <diplo> :(
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> also, why would they?
[20:20] <daftykins> FOSS could be a bit of a target
[20:21] <daftykins> for some
[20:21] <popey> cant fathom why people would do that
[20:21] <mungbean> kids
[20:21] <popey> to an irc network
[20:21] <bigcalm> I think it's grifferz - network envy ;)
[20:21] <mungbean> have a friend who runs ircnet stuff and it seems to be constant
[20:22] <mungbean> still odd though.
[20:24] <bigcalm> Myrtti: thank you :)
[20:25]  * daftykins tops up Myrtti's wine as promised
[20:25] <mungbean> apt-get install wine
[20:26] <daftykins> oh it was installed alright
[20:44] <popey> bigcalm: grifferz doesn't run blitzed
[20:44] <mungbean> anyone get HIB?
[20:44] <bigcalm> popey: aww, not that then
[20:44] <bigcalm> mungbean: lots of us I'm guessing
[20:44] <bigcalm> I haven't bothered with the Serious Sam one though
[20:44] <bigcalm> Sometimes the HIB is too frequent
[20:45] <popey> yes mungbean
[20:45] <popey> 8
[20:45] <mungbean> decided not to get anymore
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> 9
[20:45] <mungbean> but 8 looks great
[20:45] <mungbean> so i got it
[20:45] <bigcalm> Tiny and Big is ful
[20:45] <mungbean> dear esther
[20:45] <bigcalm> *fun
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> the problem with HIB for me is that I'll play the games once.. or not even once
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> so I stopped buying
[20:45] <mungbean> thats me MartijnVdS
[20:45] <mungbean> but hoped one day i would have time
[20:46] <mungbean> and a powerful machine
[20:46] <bigcalm> I like getting the steam keys and maybe getting around to installing/playing some day in the future
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> Thomas was Alone looks OK
[20:47] <mgdm> I think I got a free Steam key for Portal about 2 years ago
[20:47] <mgdm> never bothered to run it
[20:47] <daftykins> !
[20:47] <daftykins> it's great
[20:47] <mgdm> wonder if it'll work on my Mac
[20:47] <mungbean> i got that, tried to run on wine, was a fail
[20:47] <daftykins> lemme check
[20:47] <mungbean> now its native
[20:47] <diplo> I couldnt get into portal, tried it the other day
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> Portal runs on Macs
[20:48] <daftykins> mgdm: yeah it shows up with mac logo too
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> and on newer (Sandy Bridge+ I think) intel!
[20:48] <daftykins> so must be good
[20:48] <mgdm> daftykins: ooo
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> (on linux)
[20:48] <mgdm> My Linux box and my current laptop can run it, then
[20:48] <mgdm> woo
[20:53] <mungbean> laptop fans seem to be the right pitch to wake babies]
[20:55] <daftykins> mungbean: haha
[20:55] <daftykins> doh
[20:55] <mungbean> stupid picasa/facebook/youtube
[20:56] <mungbean> ok ..most sites
[20:57] <popey> i replayed some portal 2 earlier, sophie came in and said she remembered from the last time i played portal, which was some time back
[20:58] <daftykins> :>
[21:00] <^aDaM> Hi popey :D
[21:00] <^aDaM> and daftykins an mungbean
[21:00] <popey> hey ^aDaM
[21:00] <daftykins> \o
[21:00] <^aDaM> :)
[21:00] <^aDaM> \o/
[21:00] <daftykins> hello mr. mixed case sir
[21:00] <^aDaM> :D
[21:01]  * ^aDaM *burps*
[21:01] <^aDaM> dear god!
[21:01] <^aDaM> lol
[21:02] <penguin42> searching for giggle-author.c assertion (from a bug I just triggered) got a google hit with launchpad as the 1st hit, Jon Stewart's wikipedia page, the Garden of Earthly delights, and a Daily mail article entitled 'Outraged Philadelphia mayor calls for investigation into'disgusting magazine article'
[21:02] <penguin42> oh, and T.S.Eliot poetry foundation
[21:02] <^aDaM> !bot
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> OK, Thomas Was Alone == cool
[21:15] <daftykins> ^_^
[21:15] <daftykins> this one looks interesting, but pricey
[21:15] <daftykins> http://store.steampowered.com/app/231200/?snr=1_7_7_230_150_1
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> the sarcastic voice-over does it :)
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: you get a lot of game for that price thoguh
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> The game is split into five acts, of which the first is available now.
[21:18] <mgdm> Apparently I have Civ V on Steam, too
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> only for another day
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> it's a "Free weekend"
[21:18] <mgdm> ah
[21:19] <mgdm> no fun
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> it's cheap though
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> (which is why they do it: more promotion)
[21:19] <mgdm> the last game I sank significant time into was Alpha Centauri, wonder if that's on there
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> I have civ-call to power
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> for linux
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> ported by Loki Software
[21:20] <mgdm> err. There appear to be 4 games available for the Mac. Is that correct?
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: 4 total, or 4 you have?
[21:21] <mgdm> ah, never mind, I've just not used this before and so I've no idea what I'm looking at
[21:22] <popey> you've never used steam?
[21:22] <mgdm> No
[21:23] <mgdm> (well, not for any longer that was required to get the free Portal key a couple of years back)
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> has anyone tried the surgeon sim?
[21:29] <bigcalm> Read as "sturgeon sim"
[21:29] <mgdm> that'd be a fishing game
[21:29] <mgdm> which sounds even more dull
[21:29] <popey> yes MartijnVdS
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: no, a "darkly humorous surgeon simulator"
[21:30] <bigcalm> mgdm: :D
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> some videos on youtube suggest it's VERY funny
[21:30] <popey> its quite hard
[21:30] <popey> and yes, quite funny
[21:30]  * bigcalm sticks to his ale and beef jerky
[21:30] <daftykins> ugh getting a serious talking to by a main chan op for three capital words in a row
[21:30] <daftykins> this is pathetic
[21:30] <bigcalm> WORST IRCOP EVER
[21:30] <mgdm> heh
[21:31] <daftykins> yip
[21:31] <Myrtti> tsk
[21:31] <bigcalm> Oops, chan not irc
[21:31] <bigcalm> Sorry Myrtti :)
[21:33] <Myrtti> oh man
[21:33] <Myrtti> I dont want to get on my laptop to sort you people out
[21:34] <daftykins> do we need sorting?
[21:34] <Myrtti> among many others
[21:34] <daftykins> bigcalm: you come first alphabetically, we'll call it there
[21:34] <Myrtti> yall need slappin'
[21:34] <bigcalm> daftykins: that's what I was thinking
[21:35] <daftykins> Myrtti: i might enjoy that :(
[21:35] <Myrtti> er, sorry, catalysing
[21:35] <daftykins> anyway back to family friendly mode.
[21:35] <daftykins> hrmm do i crack one of my ales from the fridge
[21:35] <Myrtti> thats the word christel wants me to use
[21:36] <daftykins> surely to catalyse someone would only be making things worse if they were acting out?
[21:36] <daftykins> exponentially-so
[21:37] <Myrtti> catalytic towards freenode mission etc
[21:37] <AlanBell> a catalytic conversion as it were
[21:37] <bigcalm> :)
[21:38]  * bigcalm sticks christel in an exhaust pipe
[21:38] <AlanBell> with a catalytic 2 by 4
[21:38] <Myrtti> but in essence, in the lugradio live 2008 spirit, don't be an ass.
[21:38] <daftykins> ^_^
[21:38] <popey> +1
[21:39]  * popey hugs mjg59
[21:39] <mgdm> hehe
[21:39]  * bigcalm wants it to be RAT time already
[21:39] <AlanBell> keep calm and carry on looking at chickens http://hencam.libertus.co.uk/
[21:39] <mgdm> '08 was the only one I made
[21:40] <AlanBell> oh, I should turn the light out in the playroom ;)
[21:40] <bigcalm> AlanBell: you should wire all room lights up to an internet service
[21:40] <dwatkins> or just use motion detectors
[21:41] <bigcalm> Which reminds me of a BBT episode
[21:41] <dwatkins> ...so the lights go out when you watch a film
[21:41] <AlanBell> I should, so people on the other side of the world can turn them off for me
[21:41] <bigcalm> This chilli beef jerky is getting a little hot. I need more ale
[21:41] <dwatkins> turn your house into one of those christmas decoration places with a website full of buttons to switch stuff on and off
[21:42] <AlanBell> tempting
[21:42] <dwatkins> I had Duvel, it was nice.
[21:42] <AlanBell> night all
[21:42] <dwatkins> nn
[21:43] <bigcalm> Nighty
[21:43] <bigcalm> Now I find myself looking at beef jerky on Amazon because the super markets suck
[21:47] <daftykins> wow this banana bread beer is amazing
[21:48] <popey> yeah, i like banana bread beer
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> hmm banana & beer bread
[21:48] <daftykins> this ones by Wells
[22:05] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IlU5wQ6m5Cg#t=388s
[22:05] <daftykins> Asus employee learns to type
[22:09] <bigcalm> Heh
[22:10] <bigcalm> Time to stop working and have a nap
[22:10] <bigcalm> Toodles
[22:10] <popey> bed time
[22:10] <bigcalm> Yes, that indeed
[22:13] <daftykins> \o


 Any idea on what Kernel is being used for Ubuntu 22.10?
[02:08] <guiverc> @ShirokiStreams, current dailies still have 5.15; eg. Lubuntu - https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/kinetic-desktop-amd64.manifest
 Interesting
 I'm wondering if they'll use 5.17 or 5.18
[02:09] <guiverc> this is a testing/quality channel & for now it's 5.15... kernel freeze is still a long way off for kinetic
[02:10] <guiverc> 22-Sept-22 is the kernel freeze on https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/kinetic-kudu-release-schedule/27263


[09:44] <dade`> how can i revert to a specific version using git commands ?
[10:04] <Mithrandir> git checkout $id?
[10:36] <dade`> Mithrandir: $id is just the rev number ?
[10:36] <Mithrandir> the sha1, yes
[10:36] <dade`> i need to revert to 2.6.22-12.NN
[10:37] <Mithrandir> or, do you mean to revert as in remove the commits or as in make your working directory reflect a particular commit?
[10:47] <dade`> i don't understand the difference
[10:47] <dade`> I need that kernel source that's no more in gutsy 'cause now there is -14 version
[10:47] <dade`> so i've been told to use git to roll back to that source
[10:48] <dade`> i guess i have to reflect a particular commit
[10:56] <Mithrandir> find the tag with git tag -l and do a git checkout on that
[12:40] <mcnster> anyone awake?
[14:44] <ppum> hey guys, just wanted to ask when the linux-restricted-modules 2.6.24 will be out ?
[14:52] <tjaalton> ppum: since yesterday
[14:53] <ppum> allready in the package list ?
[14:53] <tjaalton> built only on sparc
[14:54] <chuck> l
[14:56] <zul> hah hah...i just called bylaw enforcement on our neighbors because they didnt park the car in the laneway when the snowplow came
[16:46] <rtg_> reynaldo: I don't have a registered nick. I did get your email. I'm kind of buried right now.
[16:48] <reynaldo> rtg_: glad to know that, sorry. I just wanted to be sure.
[16:56] <reynaldo> BenC: Hi, maybe I'm wrong but yesterday I somewhat understood you'd give me some advice/hints on where the ongoing discussion about the device managaer is taking place?
[16:56] <BenC> reynaldo: yes, and I apologize for not getting back to you
[16:56] <BenC> reynaldo: very busy before holiday break, but I will get the ball rolling
[16:56] <reynaldo> no, not a problem, you must be bussy, everyone is
[16:58] <rtg_> BenC: are we going to carry ipw3945 into Hardy? I advocate that we drop it. Intel seems to be supporting iwl3945 whole hog.
[16:58] <reynaldo> BenC: I'd appreciate that, thanks, I will do my best to make the time you spent worth it
[16:58] <BenC> rtg_: that's my vote too
[16:58] <rtg_> BenC: its gone...
[16:59] <BenC> rtg_: may it rest in peace
[16:59] <reynaldo> oh, I got one of those cards in my laptop.
[16:59] <rtg_> iw3945 is supported in mainline kernel now.
[17:00] <rtg_> s/iw3945/iwl3945/
[17:10] <reynaldo> one less notinhouse module to take care off :-) congrats guys.
[17:11] <reynaldo> oh, and the fcc binary daemon need died too :) amazing.
[17:11] <reynaldo> maybe this one even works! -yay
[17:34] <reynaldo> brb
[18:30] <Kano> BenC: when do you sync to rc5?
[18:51] <rtg_> Kano: I've started an -rc5 branch, but its not yet pushed. I'll get it updated in a day or so. Dunno about aufs vs unionfs. You'll have to ask pkl about it tomorrow when he is back.
[18:57] <Kano> ok
[18:58] <Kano> with 2.6.24-1 i had dma off for me dvd drive, it was always on before...
[18:58] <Kano> nvidia ide driver, why not the new pata one?
[18:59] <Kano> how about adding a target without old ide active
[19:00] <Kano> on 64 bit, initramfs is unable to load fbcon/vesafb
[19:00] <Kano> when vga=791 specified. should be done in the framebuffer init-top script but it is not working
[19:02] <Kano> fb did not work on gutsy 64 bit too
[19:04] <rtg_> Kano: you have the wherewithal to figure out how to fix some of these problems. develop a patch and send it to the kernel-team mailing list.
[19:05] <Kano> most easy way: use =Y instaed M
[19:05] <Kano> for those
[19:13] <rtg_> lamont: are you a kernel-team mailing list moderator?
[19:14] <Kano> rtg_: maybe you would not need to patch the kernel when you would use AUFS=Y
[19:15] <rtg_> Kano: I'm not going to make the decision. That is Phillip's area of expertise.
[19:50] <lamont> rtg_: one of them
[19:51] <lamont> rtg_: why, you wanna be too?
[19:51] <rtg_> lamont: can you add me?
[19:51] <lamont> rtg_: I'll mail you the moderator password in a bit... getting ready for a meeting now
[19:51] <rtg_> lamont: thanks.
[19:55] <rtg_> BenC: I built powerpc64-smp for -rc5 and did not see the section issue.  I think we can ignore the FTBS until I get the -rc5 upload done.
[20:44] <BenC> rtg_: any chance we can get it, and lum/lrm done by Friday with a -2 ABI?
[20:45] <rtg_> BenC: I think so.


[17:33] <alkisg> Hi, I'm seeing a lot of instability with the -hwe kernel in 16.04, and I'm pondering downgrading all the schools here to 4.4 instead.
[17:33] <alkisg> Question, will I see severely degraded graphics performance, e.g. on haswell intels? I'm planning to keep the xorg-hwe stack... Or, anything else to worry about while downgrading to 4.4?
[17:34] <alkisg> (of course I reported all the bugs that I see, both to launchpad and upstream, etc etc)
[17:45] <tjaalton> no
[17:56] <alkisg> Thank you tjaalton :)
[18:09] <tjaalton> what kind of instability?
[18:14] <alkisg> Immediate reboots, https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198529, vbox crashes the HOST, page faults on stress...
[18:17] <tjaalton> due to meltdown?
[18:19] <alkisg> Maybe; that one in bugzilla came right before meltdown
[18:23] <tjaalton> it's part of the meltdown fix commits
[18:26] <alkisg> It's one of the "preparation" commits, yeah
[18:27] <alkisg> Maybe it'll settle down in a few months, but having the whole school not boot is a big deal for them...
[18:27] <alkisg> And unfortunately "press shift for grub to appear, then boot with the previous kernel" isn't something that comes to everyone's mind...


[01:52]  * karni waves goodbye
[08:34] <Chipaca> morning, peeps
[09:31] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :D
[09:41] <czajkowski> JamesTait: you're way too happy
[09:41] <JamesTait> czajkowski: Only because I see your face on my Facebook timeline in the mornings. ;)
[09:42] <czajkowski> JamesTait: ROFLOL
[09:48] <davidcalle> Chipaca, hello. I'm going to ask for an upload today, with what we have in trunk. Any other change we could have missed?
[09:51] <Chipaca> davidcalle: nope. Only remaining change in my mind at this moment would be when we move the server to something.ubuntu.com
[09:53] <davidcalle> Chipaca, ok
[11:09] <gatox> good morning!
[11:31] <mandel> gatox, morning!
[11:32] <gatox> mandel, hi
[12:36] <gatox> brb (in 5min)
[12:42] <gatox> back
[12:49] <nessita> hola gatox
[12:49] <gatox> nessita, hi
[12:50] <nessita> gatox: show-errors is approved, I'm looking at the last one now
[12:50] <gatox> nessita, great!
[12:50] <gatox> nessita, everything looks prettier now? :P
[12:50] <nessita> yes!
[12:50] <gatox> at least a little bit more.....
[12:50] <gatox> jejeje
[12:51] <nessita> gatox: while doing the last review, I found: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/944767
[12:51] <gatox> mmmm maybe i miss a show_overlay there
[12:51] <nessita> gatox: you can queue that up for after the INTERNAL SERVER ERROR
[12:51] <nessita> gatox: yeap
[12:51] <gatox> nessita, yes
[12:51] <gatox> can i assign that to me?
[12:52] <gatox> ah..... i assume that i should queu that :P
[12:52] <nessita> gatox: I assigned it already
[12:52] <nessita> refresh pliz! :-)
[12:55] <nessita> gatox: also reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/944769 (as a Medium)
[12:56] <gatox> nessita, roger that
[12:57] <nessita> gatox: approved
[12:57] <gatox> nessita, thanks
[12:57] <alecu> hello, all!
[12:58] <gatox> alecu, hi! o/
[12:58] <nessita> holaaaa alecu
[12:59] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:59] <ralsina> Despite appearances, I am not working until 2PM. So I may or may not do things I should be doing. You are warned ;-)
[13:00] <gatox> ralsina, jeeje ok
[13:01]  * nessita does not see ralsina
[13:01] <nessita> ralsina: is great you're coming after 2pm, I will have tons of reviews for you :-D
[13:03] <ralsina> nessita: awesome!
[13:03] <gatox> nessita, don't scare ralsina
[13:03] <gatox> jeje
[13:03] <gatox> let him enjoy his morning
[13:03] <ralsina> nessita: if you have any, I may do one as a communitymember in the morning, as well ;-)
[13:08] <mandel> ralsina, you have to sign the agreement then :P
[13:09] <nessita> lol
[13:09] <ralsina> mandel: I have!
[13:45] <nessita> mandel, gatox: if you have some minutes, would you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-933576-1/+merge/95557 ?
[13:46] <mandel> nessita, sure!
[13:46] <gatox> nessita, ok
[13:55] <mandel> nessita, I'm off to have lunch and will finish the review when I'm back
[13:55] <nessita> mandel: thanks!
[14:14] <dobey> the really annoying thing about debugging the music player, is that i can't play music while i'm doing it :(
[14:17] <dobey> ugh. 464M for libwebkitgtk-3.0-dbg
[14:20] <nessita> gatox: there is a conflict in https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/934502/+merge/94841
[14:20] <gatox> nessita, ok.... fixing
[14:27] <alecu> gatox, ping
[14:27] <gatox> alecu, pong
[14:27] <alecu> gatox, did you ever encounter something like this in pyqt?
[14:28] <alecu> """QObject.connect: Cannot queue arguments of type 'MyType'
[14:28] <alecu>  (Make sure 'MyType' is registered using qRegisterMetaType().)"""
[14:28] <gatox> :S..... nop
[14:28] <gatox> alecu, what are you doing?
[14:28] <gatox> nessita, approve
[14:29] <alecu> gatox, I'm trying to connect to this signal: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qabstractsocket.html#stateChanged
[14:29] <nessita> gatox: thanks!
[14:29]  * gatox looking
[14:29] <alecu> gatox, in that doc it says very clearly: "QAbstractSocket::SocketState is not a registered metatype, so for queued connections, you will have to register it with Q_REGISTER_METATYPE() and qRegisterMetaType()."
[14:29] <alecu> gatox, but I'm not finding the right docs for those two methods in the pyqt docs
[14:29] <alecu> Q_REGISTER_METATYPE() and qRegisterMetaType()
[14:29] <gatox> alecu, give me a sec
[14:29]  * gatox looking
[14:30] <gatox> alecu, do you have qt assistant installed?
[14:30] <dobey> i wonder if anyone even ever uses this feature in the music store plug-in, where we have clicking on the song in the "my downloads" page, start playing that song in your library
[14:30] <dobey> aquarius_: ping
[14:31] <aquarius_> dobey, pong
[14:31] <alecu> gatox, seems I don't. what is the package for that?
[14:31] <dobey> aquarius_: you were doing some stuff with rhythmdb queries outside of rhythmbox, right?
[14:31] <aquarius> dobey, I was
[14:32] <dobey> aquarius: do you know if you can query it for a list of tracks from a certain library, in the list of libraries?
[14:32] <aquarius> I don't know off the top of my head
[14:32] <alecu> gatox, I've got the qt designer, but not the assistant. And I can't find a package for that
[14:32] <dobey> ie "all tracks in ~/.ubuntuone/Purcahsed from Ubuntu One/" ?
[14:32] <aquarius> could maybe work it out
[14:32] <gatox> alecu, i think you can install libqtassistantclient4..... if that doesn't work.... you can always install qt4-dev-tools
[14:32] <alecu> ok
[14:33] <gatox> alecu, the web documentation is not loading here....... that's why i mention qt assistant
[14:36] <gatox> alecu, take a look at the answer here, to see if it is useful for you: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2585442/sending-custom-pyqt-signals
[14:37] <dobey> aquarius: is the code for the queries stuff you were doing somewhere i could look at it?
[14:37] <gatox> alecu, i think that probably using: Q_REGISTER_METATYPE() is more c++ way..... and the one in that  page is more python-ish
[14:37] <aquarius> dobey, it's only a one-liner, but it's not helpful to you, because it was about querying the ExtDB (where the album art is stored), not the RhythmDB.
[14:37] <dobey> ah right
[14:38] <aquarius> dobey, I'm currently looking into it
[14:38] <dobey> i'm looking at the .gir and can't even figure out how to do a query and tell it what to query for
[14:38] <dobey> thanks
[14:38] <aquarius> I am a little worried that rhythmdb_query_parse and cousins are not bound into gir :(
[14:38] <aquarius> http://developer.gnome.org/rhythmbox/unstable/RhythmDB.html#rhythmdb-query-parse
[14:39] <dobey> hrmm
[14:39] <dobey> it's introspectable=0
[14:42] <dobey> ah, because a RhythmDBQuery isn't an object
[14:42] <aquarius> dobey, but... if you've got multiple libraries, I think they're all separate sources
[14:43] <aquarius> so what you want to do is not construct a query; I think you want to get the list of sources, find the one in it that's your library, and then that source's query_model contains all the tracks
[14:43] <dobey> aquarius: nah, they're all under the same source it seems
[14:43] <aquarius> really? how do you get the source?
[14:43] <aquarius> if you can get the source I ma be able to build a query for it
[14:44] <dobey>         libsrc = self.shell.props.library_source
[14:48] <aquarius> that only works inside a plugin :(
[14:48] <aquarius> external pytohn scripts don't get a shell object :(
[14:52] <aquarius> dobey, ah, you've gotta use it in a plugin; all the other stuff doesn't work safely externally. bah. So, I don't have time to fiddle with that right now :(
[14:54] <dobey> aquarius: right. new rb has some behavioral differences, and i think making it so that if you select the "Ubuntu One" store, you can hit play and it will play your purchased music, would be nice, and get rid of some of the weirdness i'm seeing in fixing other stuff :)
[14:57] <ralsina> gatox: ping
[14:57] <gatox> ralsina, pong
[14:57] <ralsina> gatox: please talk to Christine on canonical IRC *now* and give her your picture :-)
[14:57] <gatox> ralsina, ok
[14:58] <ralsina> gatox: not the darth maul one, please
[14:58] <gatox> ralsina, jeje okok
[15:00] <urbanape> briancurtin: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/MacFSEvents
[15:01] <briancurtin> urbanape: inttttteresting
[15:01] <nessita> me
[15:02] <briancurtin> me
[15:02] <nessita> gatox, mandel, alecu, dobey?
[15:03] <nessita> urbanape: ?
[15:03] <mandel> me
[15:03] <urbanape> me
[15:03] <gatox> me
[15:04] <nessita> alecu: standup
[15:04] <alecu> me
[15:04] <nessita> DONE: lots of reviews, helped gatox with a branch to make sso qt more beautiful, team call, more on u1cp sigin screen branch
[15:04] <nessita> TODO: proposed the branch for the aforementioned UIFe, finish reviews
[15:04] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[15:04] <nessita> NEXT: briancurtin
[15:04]  * alecu writting notes
[15:04] <briancurtin> DONE: got to where SSO tests are passing, moving on with client
[15:04] <briancurtin> TODO: push forward with client tests
[15:04] <briancurtin> BLOCKED: nope
[15:04] <briancurtin> NEXT: mandel
[15:04] <mandel> DONE: Debugging why libsoup throws an IO erro when a cert is wrong and ssl-strict is set to false. Some reviews for alecu,
[15:04] <mandel> TODO: finish nessitas review, more debugging.
[15:04] <mandel> BLOCKED: no, I mean, devugging..
[15:04] <mandel> urbanape, please
[15:04] <urbanape> DONE: Made significant progress getting the ubuntu-sso-client tests passing in OS X (had to hard-code the network state). 1 random window size test failure.
[15:04] <urbanape> TODO: starting on the syncdaemon stuff. Need to write our own platform package.
[15:04] <urbanape> BLOCKED: Nada
[15:04] <urbanape> gatox: go
[15:04] <dobey> meh
[15:04] <gatox> DONE:
[15:04] <gatox> Fixed UI stuff and branches finally landed. Couple of reviews.
[15:04] <gatox> TODO:
[15:04] <gatox> Working on INTERNAL SERVER ERROR when executing an installed sso.
[15:04] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:04] <gatox> No
[15:04] <gatox> alecu, gord
[15:04] <gatox> go
[15:04] <gatox> :P
[15:05] <alecu> DONE: tunnel server use from Syncdaemon
[15:05] <alecu> TODO: fix some bugs, more of the above
[15:05] <alecu> BLOCKED: stuck with weird Qt signal and metatypes
[15:06] <nessita> dobey: go
[15:06] <alecu> dobey, go
[15:07] <dobey> λ DONE: team meeting, rb debugging, fixed one CRITICAL in rb upstream, fixed click-to-play on 'my downloads' page
[15:07] <dobey> λ TODO: more rb debugging, twisted glib2/gireactor debugging, tarmac locking?
[15:07] <dobey> λ BLCK: none.
[15:08] <nessita> dobey: can you please delay the  twisted glib2/gireactor debugging and start working on the installer UI refactopring? the UI fix has way more priority than the other thing
[15:08] <nessita> ralsina: I know you're not here, but do we have the bug for the installer UI refactoring?
[15:09] <mandel> alecu, in https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/proxy-tunnel-server/+merge/95075 in FakeServerTunnelProtocol why is remote_disconnected empty?
[15:10] <alecu> mandel, probably it's not needed by the fake. lemme check
[15:10] <nessita> dobey: can you please give me an ack? :-)
[15:10] <nessita> I know you're not happy about that, but we have no other choice for that
[15:11] <dobey> there is no bug filed for installer ui
[15:11] <dobey> and all i have for it is a screenshot
[15:11] <ralsina> nessita: I don't think there is a bug
[15:12] <ralsina> alecu: can I help you with the weird signal/metatype thing?
[15:12] <nessita> ralsina: can you please file the bug with the details (or ask rtgrant to do it)?
[15:12] <alecu> ralsina, if you have some minutes, please do :-)
[15:12] <ralsina> alecu: ok!
[15:12] <ralsina> nessita: I will ping rtgrant about it
[15:13] <dobey> nessita: and no. the rhythmbox stuff has much higher priority. and it's what i'm concentrating on at the moment.
[15:13] <nessita> dobey: I said to delay the glib/gi debugging, not the RB stuff
[15:13] <alecu> ralsina, did you ever encounter something like this in pyqt?
[15:13] <alecu>  """QObject.connect: Cannot queue arguments of type 'MyType'
[15:13] <alecu>   (Make sure 'MyType' is registered using qRegisterMetaType().)"""
[15:13] <alecu> ralsina, I'm trying to connect to this signal: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qabstractsocket.html#stateChanged
[15:14] <alecu> ralsina, in that doc it says very clearly: "QAbstractSocket::SocketState is not a registered metatype, so for queued connections, you will have to register it with Q_REGISTER_METATYPE() and qRegisterMetaType()."
[15:14] <ralsina> alecu: are you connecting accross threads for some reason?
[15:14] <dobey> and i think the twisted stuff is also a higher priority
[15:14] <ralsina> alecu: because queued connections are accross threads and they have to be marshalled
[15:15] <alecu> ralsina, if I don't use "2" as the second parameter to connect I'm getting segfaults
[15:15] <ralsina> alecu: then yes, it's across threads
[15:15] <ralsina> alecu: and you are officially in some trouble :-/
[15:15] <alecu> ralsina, the weird thing is that if I print the "thread.get_ident()" then it seems to be the same.
[15:15]  * gatox lunch
[15:16] <ralsina> alecu: that is weird, yes
[15:16] <briancurtin> urbanape: mumble?
[15:16] <alecu> ralsina, this is probably qt4reactor playing with our heads.
[15:16] <ralsina> alecu: but keep in mind that Qt uses threads for non-blocking I/O so maybe you are later emitting the signal from another thread
[15:16] <urbanape> briancurtin: omw
[15:16] <alecu> ralsina, oh, that makes more sense.
[15:17] <alecu> ralsina, the thing is that I looked for .connect() in qt4reactor, and they *are not* using queued connections.
[15:17] <ralsina> alecu: hmmm
[15:17] <ralsina> alecu: let me think 1'
[15:17] <alecu> which sounds awfully dangerous
[15:17] <alecu> (not you thinking)
[15:18] <ralsina> alecu: usually people don't use queued connections, andthey get used automatically if needed
[15:18] <alecu> ralsina, what's "if needed" ?
[15:19] <ralsina> alecu: if you are doing it from a non-UI thread
[15:19] <alecu> ralsina, if I'm connecting to the signal, or using the signal?
[15:19] <ralsina> alecu: not sure, never tried it ;-)
[15:20] <alecu> ralsina, :-)
[15:20] <ralsina> alecu: a 0 (the default) means "auto" and it will guess if it's director queued
[15:20] <ralsina> alecu: 0	(default) If the signal is emitted from a different thread than the receiving object, the signal is queued, behaving as Qt::QueuedConnection. Otherwise, the slot is invoked directly, behaving as Qt::DirectConnection. The type of connection is determined when the signal is emitted.
[15:21] <alecu> ralsina, so, state changing signals like "disconnected" or "stateChanged" look to be coming from a different thread at some point... because sometimes the process ends with a segfault.
[15:21] <alecu> (those are QTcpSocket signals)
[15:22] <alecu> as usual with thread stuff, it's impossible to reproduce.
[15:23] <ralsina> alecu: right
[15:23] <alecu> so, for instance, if I add a "print" it stops crashing.
[15:23] <ralsina> alecu: is it at all possible to do this without connecting that signal?
[15:25] <alecu> ralsina, in order for tests to pass correctly I need the tcp connections to be completely closed.
[15:25] <alecu>  The "right" way is to use the disconnect signal, but it's not fired if the socket is looking up the hostname.
[15:25] <alecu> so I'm trying to use the statechanged signal.
[15:25] <alecu> I *could* use a "callLater" with a check of the state()...
[15:26] <ralsina> alecu: yes
[15:26] <ralsina> alecu: do some polling
[15:26] <alecu> but it makes the test ugly.
[15:26] <ralsina> alecu: and locking while looking up is not unusual behaviour
[15:26] <nessita> mandel: hola!
[15:26] <mandel> nessita, dime :)
[15:26] <nessita> mandel: were you able you finish my review?
[15:26] <alecu> ralsina, well, not exactly polling, because I'll still be releasing the cpu with the reactor.callLater...
[15:26] <alecu> ralsina, but it's very ugly.
[15:26] <ralsina> alecu: yes, a slow polling ;-)
[15:26] <mandel> nessita, running tests atm and will +1
[15:27] <nessita> mandel: awesome, thanks!
[15:27] <alecu> ralsina, I'll give it a try, thanks for the input :-)
[15:27] <mandel> nessita, es un placer!
[15:27] <ralsina> alecu: sorry I couldn't solve it :-(
[15:27] <ralsina> alecu: but you are in the dark, seamy underground of Qt since a while ago ;-)
[15:28] <alecu> ralsina, I guess it would have been easier if I did this in C++; pyqt seems to be focused on the gui parts of qt :-)
[15:28] <ralsina> alecu: actually, maybe that's not as crazy as it sounds. Qt'sidea of C++ is very python-like
[15:29] <nessita> ok, need to run a quick erran, brb!
[15:30] <alecu> ralsina, let's see how the tunnel turns out; in any case we can side-port it to C++ later :-)
[15:30] <mandel> nessita, +1 done
[15:30] <nessita> mandel: thanks!
[15:31] <ralsina> alecu: indeed
[15:32] <ralsina> alecu: may be a fun weekend project, actually (a generic SSL over HTTP proxy tunnel?)
[15:36] <mandel> ralsina, alecu I'll avoid C++ if possible :P
[15:36] <alecu> chicken!
[15:37] <ralsina> mandel: C++ is the natural language for this. Or go, if there is a decent network library :-)
[15:37] <mandel> alecu, velociraptor!
[15:37] <mandel> ralsina, alecu go sounds more reasonable for this
[15:37] <alecu> sorry, I'm not here. I'm compiling!
[15:37] <mandel> lol
[15:37] <alecu> mandel, ralsina: Qt bindings for go?
[15:38] <ralsina> Some people have a problem. Then they use C++ and now the C++ points to element problem+1
[15:38] <ralsina> alecu: not exists, AFAIK
[15:38] <mandel> alecu, you can call c from go, so we just look at the vtables :P
[15:38] <ralsina> and my C++ joke has a syntax error
[15:38] <ralsina> mandel: and do the mangling manually
[15:38] <mandel> did that once with c... painful!
[15:39] <briancurtin3> ralsina: at least you aren't using templates in that joke
[15:39] <alecu> mandel, and it only worked for one compiler only... since they mangle differently.
[15:39] <ralsina> briancurtin3: I could try to work that in, but it would specialize on compile time.
[15:39] <mandel> alecu, yep.. it was a very hacky thing
[15:39] <briancurtin3> and produce a 50,000 word error message
[15:40] <ralsina> briancurtin3: which amounts to "you left a space before the >" or "you missed a space before the >"
[15:40] <briancurtin3> :)
[15:40] <mandel> briancurtin3, ralsina well, after dealing with erlang I think thisfred is ready to read template errors
[15:40] <thisfred> I explicitly declined to deal with erlang, mostly ;)
[15:41] <ralsina> mandel: you know C++ templates are turing complete?
[15:41] <ralsina> mandel: you can write your program in *templates* with no actual code.
[15:41] <thisfred> Just like XSLT then ;)
[15:41] <ralsina> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/189172/c-templates-turing-complete for example
[15:42] <mandel> jikes!!! ugly ugly..
[15:44]  * ralsina considers generating templates from XML descriptions via XSLT
[15:45] <mandel> ralsina, if you that I wont talk to you again, I'll use alecu as a proxy
[15:46] <ralsina> http://gitorious.org/metatrace a C++ compile-time raytracer. You write the scene, you compile it, the image is in the binary.
[15:46] <ralsina> Which is the greatest thing I have seen in the last 5 weeks at least
[15:46] <alecu> mandel, I'll be your tunnel
[15:46] <ralsina> alecu: yikes
[15:47] <mandel> alecu, that is what she said..
[15:47] <mandel> lol
[15:47] <gatox_lunch> nessita, if i'm right..... and you can try it there...... you should go to: /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu_sso$ ........ and then do: sudo find . -iname '*.pyc' -delete....... and try the problem between sso and control panel again, and should be fixed..... something went wrong between the update and the pycs
[15:48] <gatox_lunch> it seems
[15:48] <gatox> ohhhh i was gatox_lunch
[15:50] <mandel> gatox, dude there is a guy with a nick very similar with lunch at the end, was it you?
[15:51] <gatox> mandel, no!! who who??
[15:51] <gatox> jje
[16:00] <urbanape> briancurtin3: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/watchdog
[16:00] <urbanape> mandel, et al: what if we used watchdog for all platforms?
[16:00] <urbanape> it abstracts away inotify, FSEvents, and Windows stuff.
[16:04] <mandel> urbanape, hm..it will add an abstraction layer for all which is good, but I'm sure they have not fixed the fact that moves are diff etc.. although, you can use it for mac, and then we can consider it for windows
[16:04] <mandel> urbanape, I think that adding a lib in there is a smart move.. the problem is how well tested it is, does it solve all the issues and how do we hook that to twisted
[16:05] <mandel> urbanape, so in summary, if you have the time is ok for me but you need facundobatista to approve such a major change
[16:05] <urbanape> just found it looking to see if anyone had already mapped inotify events to FSEvents
[16:07] <facundobatista> urbanape, if you a library that abstracts them all into one set of semantics, *maybe* SD can be tuned to use those semantics, and we'd be happy
[16:07] <mandel> facundobatista, would mean loosing the open event for sure
[16:08] <mandel> facundobatista, urbanape it will also mean pushing all the dirty code to a lib maintained by others \o/
[16:09] <facundobatista> mandel, which is double edged sword
[16:09] <mandel> facundobatista, true.
[16:11] <urbanape> it's got a bunch of dependencies on it, too, which we might not want to take on
[16:11] <urbanape> PyYAML, argh, argparse, pathtools, and Brownie
[16:12] <urbanape> might not actually need those (just for the extra scripting support)
[16:18] <dobey> ok, need to get lunch. bbiab
[16:23] <briancurtin> urbanape: sry, comcast seems extra flaky today
[16:24] <urbanape> no problem
[16:28] <mandel> ralsina, nessita I have an appointment in the ophthalmologist, so I'm leaving in 5 mins to be there on time
[16:32] <mandel> ok, time to go and see if i'm more blind :P
[16:36] <nessita> mandel: ack!
[16:59] <elopio> nessita, ralsina, can you take a look at bug #940884 ?
[16:59] <elopio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/940884
[17:00] <elopio> we will not sync files with names longer than what the os allows. Is that our problem, or the os problem? I think you'll know better.
[17:01] <ralsina> elopio: it's the OS fault but it's our problem
[17:04] <elopio> ralsina: ok, you have it on your plate.
[17:05] <ralsina> good evening u1 team! I am now working, so hit me with reviews ;-)
[17:05] <nessita> ralsina: about to!
[17:05] <nessita> guh, when I fix this lint issues
[17:09] <nessita> ralsina: would you know if rtgrant filed the bug?
[17:10] <gatox> ralsina, nessita really trivial review: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/back-button/+merge/95622
[17:10] <nessita> gatox: looooking
[17:11] <ralsina> nessita: seems he didn't. I'll do it myself
[17:11] <nessita> ralsina: :-/
[17:13] <ralsina> nessita: I pinged (with the request) but he never ponged, maybe he's not on IRC today, andit's late in the UK already, so...
[17:13] <nessita> ralsina: if you consider this can wait till Monday, we can email him asking him to please file it
[17:14] <ralsina> I guess it can, since we are not going to file the UIFe today.Let's mail him and he can do it early monday
[17:15] <ralsina> nessita: I'll send the mail right away
[17:18] <ralsina> nessita: mailed, with you as CC
[17:19] <ralsina> gatox: The "enter verification" page is the one for the token you get by email for new accounts?
[17:19] <gatox> ralsina, yes
[17:20] <ralsina> gatox: why shouldn't there be a back button there?
[17:20] <gatox> ralsina, let me give you the bug description
[17:20] <ralsina> And the right way to not have a back button is to make the previous page a "commitPage" IIRC
[17:20] <gatox> ralsina, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/944769
[17:20] <ralsina> gatox: looking
[17:21] <ralsina> what happens if you registered with a wrong email? Then you want to go back...
[17:21] <gatox> nessita, ^
[17:25] <nessita> ralsina: well, the user can close the window and re-open, no? Or, we can leave the button there but cleanup the whole fomr
[17:26] <nessita> ralsina: otherwise we'll let the user think he can "retry" the registration
[17:26] <nessita> which he can not
[17:26] <nessita> ralsina: I prefer not having a back button, the user already had to enter the email *twice*
[17:30] <nessita> ralsina: the review you were asking for is https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-933576/+merge/95627
[17:30] <nessita> gatox: if you could too... ^
[17:30] <gatox> nessita, on it
[17:31] <gatox> so.... what should i do with the back button isssue..... i'm working in another issue now...... to know if i need to modify anything there
[17:31] <nessita> ralsina: any thoughts re: Back button? my food is ready so you can share those with me when I came back
[17:31] <nessita> gatox: mark the MP as WIP until ralsina and I decide what is best
[17:32] <gatox> nessita, ack
[17:38] <ralsina> nessita: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-installer/+bug/944982 from Robert
[17:38] <ralsina> nessita: buen provecho!
[17:39] <dobey> nessita: "removing the dbus service" means bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-backend also? are we certain no apps in ubuntu are using it?
[17:44] <dobey> nessita: deja-dup uses the dbus service in control panel
[17:48] <ralsina> nessita: on your branch, if I login using an existing account, the SSO window is empty and u1cp is not usable until I close it manually
[17:52] <nessita> dobey: why would they? is not an official API :-/
[17:52] <nessita> ralsina: do you have nightlies updated?
[17:52] <ralsina> nessita: updated to last night. let me update and retry
[17:52] <nessita> ralsina: (remember that SSO code is independent from the control panel code)
[17:53] <ralsina> nessita: yes, I was thinking if I had to file a bug on SSO and/or if you knew about it
[17:53] <nessita> ralsina: ah, ok. LEt's try to reproduce with latest nightlies
[17:53] <nessita> (please)
[17:54] <nessita> ralsina: with sso window empty, what do you mean?
[17:54] <dobey> nessita: because it's probably the only way to do it. and any published api is an official api.
[17:55] <dobey> nessita: if you know of a better way to do that, feel free to help mterry switch deja-dup over to it :)
[17:55] <nessita> dobey: I disagree with your last sentence, but will not discuss about that. Ok, if you are sure deja-dup uses it, I guess we need to leave that in place :-/
[17:56] <ralsina> nessita: all widgets disappear and the window stays open
[17:56] <dobey> well i just asked mterry in #ubuntu-desktop, because it is depending on ubuntuone-control-panel
[17:56] <nessita> ralsina: weird :-/. Would you let me know if this happens with latest sso?
[17:56] <ralsina> nessita: yep
[17:58] <nessita> dobey: well, sadly, there is no better way to do the quota querying without doing all the REST thingy by hand. SO I guess we cna leave that (the controlpanel dbus service) in place.
[17:58] <dobey> right
[18:08] <gatox> nessita, ralsina another really small branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/ensure-overlay/+merge/95636
[18:08] <nessita> ralsina: what shall we do regarding the back button? saw my comments from before?
[18:08] <nessita> gatox: did you check all the screens?
[18:09] <gatox> nessita, yes
[18:09] <nessita> awesome :-)
[18:09] <ralsina> nessita: let's remove it and prepare a request for UX
[18:09] <ralsina> nessita: so that we can make it better in the not-so-close-future
[18:09] <nessita> ralsina: ack, gatox, did you get that ^? (also not sure if you should apply what ralsina said about the CommitPage)
[18:10] <gatox> nessita, yes..... i'll check about CommitPage
[18:10] <nessita> gatox: thanks!
[18:26] <nessita> gatox: I haven't tested IRL yet, but... in https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/ensure-overlay/+merge/95636, shouldn't the overlay be hide when the operation is completed? ie, in the method on_email_verified y en on_email_verification_error
[18:27] <gatox> ....... yep.......
[18:27] <nessita> gatox: I meant on_email_validated and on_email_validation_error
[18:28] <nessita> gatox: would you please add that?
[18:28] <gatox> nessita, of course....
[18:28] <nessita> thanks!
[18:34] <nessita> ralsina: did it work?
[18:34] <ralsina> nessita: still upgrading
[18:35] <nessita> ack
[18:35] <ralsina> nessita: day of lots of updates, friday
[18:42] <dobey> meh
[18:42] <dobey> looks like rain
[18:42] <ralsina> dobey: in a wedding day?
[18:43] <dobey> weddings are lame anyway
[18:44] <ralsina> Oh. My attempt at alanis-rolling failed :-(
[18:44] <nessita> ralsina: I got it :-)
[18:44] <nessita> is like a free ride, when you already paid ;-)
[18:44] <ralsina> it's a good advice!
[18:44] <dobey> and i really do not like debugging untraceable race conditions that corrupt memory :-/
[18:45] <nessita> dobey: is the RB thingy? :-/
[18:45] <ralsina> dobey: ugh
[18:45] <dobey> yes
[18:46] <dobey> i am pretty certain now that it's not the entry that i'm creating in the plug-in, which is being dereferenced.
[18:46] <ralsina> dobey: if you had no luck with valgrind, have you tried any of the debuggig mallocs?
[18:47] <dobey> well i'm just doing gdb
[18:47] <dobey> and using G_SLICE=always-malloc makes the crash go away
[18:47] <ralsina> dobey: like dmalloc or whatever (I am just digging in old C stuff Ihalf-remember, so feel free to ignoreme)
[18:47] <ralsina> dobey: oh, a heisenbug
[18:47] <dobey> valgrind seems to be problematic, because it crashes in webkit when i run under vg
[18:48] <ralsina> dobey: valgrind isa whole freaking virtualized thing, it finds more bugs than there really are, sometimes
[18:49] <gatox> ralsina, the setCommitPage(True) is not working for this case
[18:49] <ralsina> gatox: really? remember it's on the PREVIOUS page ;-)
[18:49] <gatox> ralsina, yes, i'm setting that in the setup_account_page
[18:49] <ralsina> gatox: ok, then do it the other way around
[18:50] <ralsina> gatox: maybe it's because it relies on the order of the pages
[18:50] <gatox> ralsina, i'm checking why is not working.....
[18:50] <dobey> ralsina: i don't think it's finding a bug that isn't there in this case. but the trace from it isn't helpful
[18:50] <ralsina> dobey: right
[18:50] <ralsina> dobey: my sympathies, man
[18:50] <ralsina> dobey: that and 99 cents get you the dollar menu at Wendy's, though
[18:51] <dobey> nah. you need about $1.11 to buy something off the dollar menu at wendys, here anyway
[18:51] <dobey> yay taxes
[18:51] <nessita> ralsina: got another review that will not depend on your system being up to date: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-944120
[18:51] <ralsina> nessita: on it!
[18:51] <nessita> dobey: would you please review it as well? https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-944120/+merge/95642
[18:51] <nessita> ralsina: merge link is  ^
[18:52] <gatox> ralsina, the attribute is being set correctly..... but i think that something involving how we navigate between the pages disable the commitPage thing
[18:52] <dobey> nessita: can you re-review my remove-gtk branch? :)
[18:52] <gatox> so..... the other way is already in repo
[18:52] <nessita> dobey: yes, already branching it
[18:52] <gatox> in the proposal i mean
[18:52] <dobey> ralsina: ^^ can you look at the remove-gtk branch as well pelase?
[18:52] <nessita> cd review_remove-gtk #and start reviewing ;)
[18:52] <ralsina> dobey: sure
[18:52] <ralsina> dobey: link?
[18:52] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-control-panel/remove-gtk/+merge/95252
[18:52] <ralsina> dobey: thanks, queued
[18:53] <ralsina> dobey: (+7/-7509) 25 files modified nice!
[18:54] <nessita> dobey: so, your branch still has the docs/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.1, but I don't want you to remove but to rename it to be the Qt cp man page. Can you do that in this branch pliz?
[18:55] <nessita> dobey:  with that we can tackle another bug ;-)
[18:55] <nessita> dobey: bug #933021
[18:55] <dobey> nessita: i'll remove it. i won't rename it to -qt. the arguments aren't the same, i'm pretty sure
[18:55] <nessita> dobey: please do not remove it
[18:56] <nessita> dobey: you can edit the man page to be correct, no?
[18:56] <ralsina> let's do a branch that edits and renames
[18:56] <nessita> dobey: or I can do it, but do not remove it so I can cheat and re use it
[18:56] <dobey> nessita: why not just make a new one with the --help output from -qt instead?
[18:56] <dobey> it's simple enough to do. there's a tool that does it
[18:56] <gatox> nessita, ok..... both my branches are ready.... now i'm going to start with the tasks we talk
[18:57] <ralsina> help2man IIRC
[18:57] <dobey> yeah, that
[18:57] <dobey> it's easier to cheat that way, than copy the gtk one over
[18:57] <ralsina> Also, remember the help from the Qt version is a lie
[18:57] <nessita> dobey: as you wish, my gastritis is bad enough to be discussing at this  time of the week
[18:58] <nessita> dobey: let me know when you made whatever change you decide to make to that branch, and I'll re-review
[18:58] <ralsina> nessita: assign me the bug, I will do it
[18:58] <nessita> ralsina: ack, thanks
[18:58] <nessita> ralsina: assigned, and updated milestone
[18:59] <ralsina> nessita: +1 on fix-944120
[18:59] <nessita> ralsina: thanks!
[19:00] <dobey> nessita: are we supposed to maintain the other order on windows, and only have this order on ubuntu?
[19:00] <dobey> lisettte: ^^
[19:00] <nessita> dobey: I don't think so, we need to have the same UI accross all platforms
[19:01] <nessita> dobey: the mock for the controlpanel always had the restore to the left and not default, I've probably  done it wrong from the start
[19:01] <nessita> dobey: you can check the google doc with the spec
[19:01] <nessita> (which was originally for windows)
[19:02] <dobey> ok, well +1 anyway. i'm fairly apathetic, and it's too late to get an answer out of millbank today anyway
[19:02] <nessita> dobey: the mock: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/drawings/d/1O_Q9EIJNbvnimroBTvoxvpFXuawEp8pA01iyfW-lHn4
[19:02] <dobey> oh google docs; i hate you too.
[19:03] <ralsina> On a future UI refresh, there is something called a QButtonBox that's supposed to give platform-correct primary/secondary button ordering, but I can't even find the docs today
[19:04] <nessita> ralsina: nice to know
[19:04] <gatox> ralsina, are you sure about qbuttonbox?? i can't find it in qt assistant
[19:04] <dobey> note that there is no "platform correct" answer to that really
[19:04] <ralsina> gatox: it's there in designer :-)
[19:05] <ralsina> gatox: but I think it's not a real widget
[19:05] <dobey> though the ButtonBox widget makes it easy to switch directions of the buttons
[19:05] <gatox> ralsina, maybe is something like the "line" in the qt designer, that is actually a qframe
[19:05] <ralsina> gatox: yes, I think so
[19:06] <dobey> macos generally hasn't got dialog buttons. windows is usually "[ok] [cancel]" though basically arbitrary for non-standard apps. kde uses "[ok] [cancel]" and GNOME uses "[cancel] [ok]"
[19:07] <dobey> and then there are all the other environments too!
[19:07] <dobey> i think xfce matches gnome. and i'm not sure unity/ubuntu specifies that, but generally has followed gnome as it's been gnome.
[19:08] <dobey> i swear, if i have fixed this crash with this insane hack, i don't know what i'll do. maybe go get drunk right now
[19:09] <dobey> ok good. it didn't fix it
[19:09] <ralsina> dobey: right, I was thinking [ok][cancel]   on windows, [cancel][ok] on windows
[19:09] <ralsina> oops, make one of those linux
[19:10] <dobey> also, i am getting tired of listening to the tron soundtrack previews
[19:10] <dobey>         player.play_entry(entry.ref().ref().ref().ref().ref().ref(), self.source)
[19:10] <dobey> and it still crashed
[19:10] <dobey> so i'm pretty sure that entry isn't the point of unref failure :)
[19:11] <ralsina> bah, ButtonBox does that, but doesn't let you change the button texts.
[19:12] <ralsina> This is going to sound really strange, but my chromium window has turned grayscale, and all the others are ok.
[19:14] <dobey> compiz turns hanged/blocked/crashed applications grey
[19:14] <ralsina> dobey: but chromiumworks
[19:14] <dobey> isn't buttonbox just a specialized container that you can stick any widget in?
[19:15] <dobey> ralsina: i never specified the IQ of compiz.
[19:15] <ralsina> dobey: not in this case, it's just a gadget in designer,  doesn't seem to exist in real life
[19:15] <ralsina> So I am now in the 1920s web
[19:17] <dobey> ah
[19:33] <dobey> hrmm, i hate these kinds of bugs :(
[19:38] <ralsina> nessita: with nightlies updated, I can't login with any of my test accounts :-(
[19:38] <ralsina> nessita: I get "authentication failed" for all
[19:39] <nessita> ralsina: are you sure those are valid U1 accounts?
[19:39] <nessita> ralsina: can you share a pair username and password? (I ask since those are test accounts)
[19:39] <ralsina> nessita: sure
[19:39] <nessita> ralsina: just checking, you fully updated and rebooted, right?
[19:40] <ralsina> nessita: updated, not rebooted
[19:40] <nessita> ralsina: shouldn't make any difference... but who knows. gatox and I had an issue with pyc files
[19:40] <ralsina> nessita: so, I'll reboot. This notebook fscks on every reboot so it will take a little while
[19:41] <gatox> ralsina, try to remove the pycs before just in case
[19:41] <ralsina> ok, will try that first
[19:42] <ralsina> nessita, gatox: yay, that did it! weird!
[19:42] <nessita> ralsina: there something very bad
[19:42] <ralsina> nessita: confirmed the branch works great IRL, the empty window thing is gone
[19:42] <nessita> ralsina: ffiiiuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[19:43] <ralsina> nessita: so, I'll finish the review quick
[19:43] <gatox> ralsina, jejeej yep..... it happens to me too.... i figure it out modifying the files with sudo
[19:43] <nessita> ralsina: thanks!
[19:43] <dobey> RB, Y U NO REF?!
[19:43] <gatox> which force the generation of the pyc (wonder why it didn't do it before)
[19:44] <ralsina> gatox: maybe permissions on the pyc?
[19:44] <ralsina> gatox: but I am pretty sure I did not sudo edit ay py files :-)
[19:44] <gatox> ralsina, yes... it's weird
[19:45] <gatox> ralsina, i did it because i was trying to debug that
[19:45] <dobey> maybe i should look at twisted for a bit instead
[19:45] <ralsina> dobey: change the air
[19:46] <dobey> or just go try to unlock kaori on ssx
[20:04] <ralsina> nessita: +1 on fix-933576
[20:05] <nessita> yey!
[20:05] <ralsina> gatox: +1 on ensure-overlay
[20:05] <gatox> ralsina, thanks
[20:18] <gatox> people! EOD here! have a nice weekend!
[20:18] <nessita> ralsina: doi you have https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/back-button/+merge/95622 in your queue?
[20:20] <nessita> who's up for a review?
[20:20]  * dobey hopes this bug is 'gone' now
[20:20] <ralsina> nessita: looks like I didn't
[20:20] <ralsina> nessita: doing that one then
[20:20] <nessita> ralsina: thanks!
[20:21] <dobey> hrmm is not; well the criticals aren't anyway
[20:27] <ralsina> nessita, gatox_brb: global approve on back-button
[20:27] <nessita> ralsina: nice, thanks
[20:33] <gatox> ralsina, great thanks
[20:50] <cjohnston> u1filestatus.py doesn't work anymore on precise
[20:50] <cjohnston> has anyone updated it to work?
[20:58] <dobey> rye_: ^^
[21:07] <rye_> cjohnston, i know, but I haven't yet found a way to get it working
[21:11] <cjohnston> :-(
[21:12] <cjohnston> my u1 stuff just keeps getting worse
[21:12] <cjohnston> :-/
[21:17] <dobey> how so?
[21:21] <cjohnston> dobey: u1 started deleting my files, and now isnt syncing right
[21:21] <cjohnston> I've been working with duanedesign for a week on it
[21:24] <dobey> hmm. that sounds quite odd
[21:30] <dobey> every time i think i've found something related to this bug, nothing changes :(
[21:48] <ralsina> EOD for me, I may do some reviews late tonight if needed for the release, please mail
[21:48] <briancurtin> have a good weekend ralsina
[22:03] <dobey> laters. i need to get off here for a while before my hands go numb from typing "bt" in gdb


[11:23] <xnox> realtime-neil:  i don't know where you are getting preseed/late_command from. I don't think anything in ubiquity uses that at all.
[11:23] <xnox> there is oem-config/late_command, but that's for oem-config only, not ubiquity.
[15:58] <realtime-neil> xnox: is there really nothing that shells out (and is checked) after the installation proper and before the machine reboots?
[16:34] <xnox> ubiquity/success_command
[16:34] <xnox> but not checked.
[16:34] <xnox> but like you can make it hang, or crash things.
[16:34] <xnox> what do you expect it to do?
[16:34] <xnox> realtime-neil:  you can ship a ubiquity plugin, if you want custom ux.
[16:37] <realtime-neil> xnox: i was expecting something like a `preseed/late_command`; i.e., it if fails, then then error is propagated to something the user can see
[16:38] <realtime-neil> Is there something easier than a ubiquity plugin?


[01:59] <pleia2> meeting in a minute :)
[02:01] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[02:01] <DonkeyHotei> why do i always forget it's sunday?
[02:01] <pleia2> ok, who all is here for the meeting?
[02:01] <DonkeyHotei> me, i guess
[02:01] <jyo> o/
[02:01] <philipballew> 0/
[02:01] <pleia2> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12April22
[02:01] <eps> o/
[02:02] <pleia2> #topic Ubuntu 12.04 Release on Thursday, April 26th
[02:02] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/PreciseRelease
[02:02] <akk> o/ here too
[02:02] <pleia2> so the 12.04 release is coming up this week :)
[02:02] <pleia2> only an event in SF so far: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/1615/detail/
[02:03] <philipballew> Who all is going?
[02:03] <pleia2> the link has the RSVP list
[02:03] <pleia2> good crowd so far, and a lot of people don't tend to RSVP (or do it last minute) so I'm hoping for a good turnout
[02:04] <philipballew> yeah. thats how it happens
[02:04] <pleia2> as a reminder to anyone, you can plan your own events elsewhere :) even if it's just an Ubuntu Hour you move to release night to mix things up a bit, or have an installfest in a few weeks
[02:05] <pleia2> unfortunately nothing really came of the noisebridge folks who expressed interest in running an installfest
[02:05] <pleia2> if I have some time this summer I might follow-up with them about leading one
[02:06] <pleia2> anyone else have anything about release stuff?
[02:06] <DonkeyHotei> it is my understanding that the above-linked event is simply a drinking party, so i'm not sure it would be worth it for me to go and just sit there doing nothing
[02:06] <philipballew> I can help out if it is in the city this summer probably. I have nothing going on
[02:07] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: it's the same as all our thirsty bear events, food, beer, other drinks, talking about ubuntu and open source stuff
[02:07] <DonkeyHotei> i don't think i've ever actually been to thirstybear
[02:07] <pleia2> I wouldn't call it a "drinking party" but it is a party so there isn't really an agenda or anything
[02:07] <dax> DonkeyHotei: I don't drink either and have been to them and did a non-zero number of things, so...
[02:07] <eps> It's a drinking party.
[02:08] <philipballew> if you want to have a release party a post uds party is still not to late
[02:08] <philipballew> the uds mark shuttleworth speech... thats a drinking party
[02:08] <eps> That's a drinking game
[02:08] <pleia2> I think I don't actually know what a "drinking party" is
[02:09] <pleia2> a party where there is drinking?
[02:09] <dax> philipballew: I was under the impression that the entire Ubuntu community went into hibernation for a week after UDS, though :P
[02:09] <pleia2> yeah, we do have the complication of UDS being local, so a few of us are pretty tied up with UDS planning post release ;)
[02:09] <philipballew> dax, yeah, but the release party is not for jusy the uds people. if someone holds one post uds, id crash it
[02:10] <DonkeyHotei> philipballew: when are you actually in town?
[02:10] <pleia2> otherwise I would have tried to do something more than just our standard "hang out at thirsty bear"
[02:10] <philipballew> saturday before uds\
[02:10] <DonkeyHotei> ah
[02:10] <DonkeyHotei> until?
[02:10] <philipballew> august
[02:10] <DonkeyHotei> ohh
[02:10] <DonkeyHotei> but i'm assuming the bulk of that is in sac
[02:11] <pleia2> anything else about release stuff before we talk about UDS?
[02:11] <philipballew> napa for a while DonkeyHotei
[02:12] <philipballew> hum, im spending all of may after uds in napa helping my 80 year old grandmother remodel her house and landscape
[02:12] <DonkeyHotei> oh, right
[02:12] <philipballew> something to do...
[02:12] <philipballew> but I have the ability to go and do whatever i need
[02:12] <pleia2> #topic Ubuntu Developer Summit: May 7-11
[02:13] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q
[02:13] <philipballew> totally going to crash this...
[02:13] <pleia2> so the only confirmed thing we're doing for UDS is the Wednesday night tourism night (and I'm running a dinner for Ubuntu Women project members on Thursday)
[02:13] <philipballew> baseball game a no-go?
[02:14] <pleia2> I need to email Michael Paoli about the Debian dinner (he was going to send a save-the-dae)
[02:14] <pleia2> date
[02:14] <pleia2> philipballew: I haven't heard any plans about it yet
[02:14] <philipballew> pleia2, do you not have a ubuntu hour that week i assume?
[02:14] <pleia2> philipballew: want to follow up with MarkDude about it?
[02:14] <jyo> Well, I've been a bit too busy to figure stuff out for an A's outing; anyone else should catch with MarkDude
[02:14] <pleia2> right, no SF ubuntu hour that week
[02:15] <philipballew> ill email mark on behalf of the loco
[02:15] <pleia2> thanks philipballew :)
[02:15] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to email mpaoli re: debian
[02:15] <pleia2> #action philipballew to talk to MarkDude re: A's game during UDS
[02:15] <philipballew> i like that one debian dinner i went to. that food was really good
[02:15] <pleia2> I'll also blog to the Ubuntu Planet this Friday (after release!) about UDS plans so maybe we can get some feedback about what people want to do
[02:16] <pleia2> philipballew: this time he's picking a chinese place in oakland, I'm sorry I'm missing it
[02:17] <philipballew> is there anything we can do to help people with the area? take them around and help them not get lost?
[02:17] <philipballew> teach the sf slang?
[02:17] <eps> Given the proximity to Oakland's chinatown, that's something of a no-brainer
[02:17] <pleia2> eps: indeed
[02:17] <pleia2> philipballew: ah, speaking of which!
[02:17] <philipballew> ill teach them all why hella is a real word
[02:17] <eps> I'm sure there will be plenty of possibilities for the other nights.
[02:17] <pleia2> I got these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/7052367909/
[02:18] <pleia2> eps: Monday, Tuesday and Friday are typically sponsored events at the summit itself, people don't have to go but Monday and Friday in particular it's pretty expected that people will be there
[02:18] <philipballew> pleia2, ill carry around maps. I get free aaa maps
[02:19] <pleia2> so those pins are for locals who can be helpful at UDS
[02:19] <DonkeyHotei> richard stallman picks out reasonably good places to eat in oakland's chinatown at random
[02:19] <eps> Wait, we're not all going to AT&T Park Friday night?
[02:19] <pleia2> I'll give them out at UDS to whoever wants them, and your job is to be helpful :)
[02:19] <pleia2> eps: Friday night is the big closing party
[02:19] <jyo> My default advice will be $20 clipper card. :)
[02:19] <pleia2> jyo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/PublicTransit
[02:20] <pleia2> we made a whole page :)
[02:20]  * akk got a clipper card specifically for UDS :)
[02:20] <philipballew> eps, i thought they were out of town that week and not a p-bell?
[02:20] <eps> Friday night is Roger Waters performing The Wall live
[02:20] <DonkeyHotei> my clipper card auto-reloads at the $20 level atm
[02:20] <jyo> The Giants roadtrip starts the Sunday before UDS and ends the Monday after.
[02:20] <jyo> ah
[02:21] <philipballew> Do I need a clipper card if I plam to roam the bay area all week then i assume?
[02:21] <pleia2> you never need a clipper card
[02:21] <pleia2> but it is nice to use one card and one source of payment for all transit
[02:21] <eps> philipballew: Don't worry. You'll get one.
[02:22] <pleia2> instead of buying tickets, making sure you have exact change, etc
[02:22] <akk> philipballew: It just saves time, so you don't have to hassle with ticket machines every time.
[02:22] <akk> . o O ( instead you have to hassle with wondering how much is left on the card and how to refill it? )
[02:23] <pleia2> I think the refill machines (Right next to ticket machines in most places) can give you a balance
[02:23] <pleia2> oh, I'll also follow up with Jack about the tour of NERSC he was offering
[02:24] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to follow up with Jack re: NERSC tour at UDS
[02:24] <pleia2> our next meeting is the day before UDS
[02:24] <pleia2> anyone else have anything for now?
[02:25] <pleia2> I'll firm up the plans in the next two weeks and send some notes to the list about what all ends up being on the schedule
[02:26] <pleia2> #topic Other news, announcements, misc
[02:27] <pleia2> grantbow and I did a BALUG presentation on 12.04 on Tuesday, our 2 page handout detailing some of the changes in 12.04 is available here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/handouts/12.04BALUGHandout.pdf
[02:28] <pleia2> I think that's all I've got :)
[02:31] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
[02:31] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[17:16] <philipballew_> pleia2, how late does uds go on Friday? I was going to figure out when I am leaving there, but dont want to miss the party and such...
[17:18] <pleia2> philipballew_: depends on the hotel, party usually goes past midnight and people leave on saturday
[17:19] <philipballew_> so then is my hotel paid for through Saturday or should i contact them to book further pleia2 ?
[17:19]  * philipballew_ checks email
[17:19] <pleia2> philipballew_: unless you told them otherwise you have the room sunday night through friday night
[17:19] <pleia2> check in sunday, check out saturday
[17:21] <philipballew_> alright. sweet! thanks pleia2 !
[18:44] <zeidoz> \o i found the greenpeace study on cloud cleanliness interesting
[20:35] <philipballew_> This animal name confuses me.
[20:36] <DonkeyHotei> why?
[20:37] <MarkDude> obscurity?
[20:41] <philipballew_> maybe, or maybe that I have no idea how to say it.
[20:41] <philipballew_> I mean animals are cool. id like something thats as cool as a name like beefy miracle, but that screams ubuntu
[20:43] <akk> Which one? pangolin?
[20:45] <DonkeyHotei> akk: yes
[20:45] <dax> damnit, I parse that as a nick now.
[20:45] <DonkeyHotei> i'm guessing "penguin" was just too obvious, and potentially confusing
[20:46] <DonkeyHotei> dax: which?
[20:46] <dax> DonkeyHotei: pangolin, they're an #ubuntu op
[20:46] <akk> I like pangolin.
[20:46] <akk> Because, yeah, penguin is too obvious even though they're awesome.
[20:47] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2012-04-23 01:46:59 PM PDT] -NickServ- Registered : Oct 05 20:11:59 2011 (28 weeks, 5 days, 00:34:57 ago)
[20:47] <DonkeyHotei> was that before the release name was picked, or after?
[20:49] <philipballew_> no. ubuntu -q
[20:49] <dax> right after, I'd imagine
[21:09] <kdub> who got
[21:09] <kdub> quetzal?
[21:09] <akk> That's a good one.
[21:09] <akk> Is that really the name?
[21:10] <akk> Quagga would be good too.
[21:10] <kdub> oh, no one read mark's blag today?
[21:13] <philipballew_> I read it this morning. I spent 5 minutes trying to prononuce it.  One outlet our neighbor was siphoning power off of at our expense and our fluorescent lights in our kitchen had a ballast that got so hot the sheet metal melted like it had been hit with a arc welder..... How is your Monday? Oh and its 82 degrees!
[22:57] <bkerensa> :P
[22:57] <bkerensa> +3 total days with very limited power
[22:59] <pleia2> code names are funny, I've taken to calling Debian by the numbers to our customers in preparation for Wheezy (not going to tell our customers we're installing Wheezy on their system :P)
[23:00] <akk> That is a problem, yeah.
[23:00] <pleia2> sarge, etch, even squeeze were ok
[23:01] <MarkDude> Are you making it to UDS bkerensa ?
[23:01] <DonkeyHotei> one of these days, i should actually watch toy story so i could stop being lost among all the debian releases
[23:01] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: you'll have to watch toy story and toy story 2! (wheezy is the first one to come from 2)
[23:02] <DonkeyHotei> and 3, of course
[23:02] <pleia2> nah, none of them are from 3 yet
[23:02] <akk> I saw toy story but I don't remember most of the characters being called by those names anyway.
[23:02] <pleia2> can probably wait a few years to watch that one :)
[23:02] <DonkeyHotei> there probably would be a release from 3 by the time i get around to it
[23:03] <akk> I can't believe they're still naming things after a silly movie that long ago.
[23:03] <pleia2> silly isn't what I can't believe, copyright loving, proprietary is what gets me :)
[23:03] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Are you kidding me after my power went out and sabdfl named 12.10  Quantum Quetzalcoatl? Of course
[23:03] <bkerensa> :P
[23:04] <akk> Quetzal, no coatl. :)
[23:06] <DonkeyHotei> pleia2: you'd prefer they open-source the movie script?
[23:06] <bkerensa> akk: What? sabdfl had the audacity to name it after a silly bird and not a Mesoamerican deity?!?!
[23:06] <DonkeyHotei> what would be the benefit to the community from that?
[23:06] <bkerensa> :D
[23:06] <MarkDude> Winged serpent would have been better
[23:07] <MarkDude> well most of us know about the mezo-diety
[23:07] <MarkDude> not the animal
[23:07] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: no, I don't prefer anything, I am surprised that a distribution so committed to proprietary freedom still uses names from a non-free movie from a company known for aggressiv eproprietaryness
[23:07] <pleia2> not asking disney to change, surprised that debian hasn't ;)
[23:07] <akk> MarkDude: And we could use Quetzy from downtown San Jose as a mascot.
[23:07] <akk> All hail the poop snake!
[23:08] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Are you going to UDS, CLS or OSCON?
[23:08] <bkerensa> MarkDude: apps for oscon start a week or two ago
[23:09] <DonkeyHotei> toy story was chosen because the debian project leader at the time was debian project leader as part of his job working for pixar, on the movie
[23:09] <pleia2> yep
[23:09] <DonkeyHotei> so it's only fair
[23:10] <DonkeyHotei> using debian for such a proprietary purpose fell fully within the DFSG
[23:10] <MarkDude> akk lol
[23:11] <MarkDude> UDS yes
[23:11] <MarkDude> CLS and OSCON I just need to show up
[23:11] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: you're completely missing my point :) but I need to get back to work anyway
[23:11] <MarkDude> Daddy Shadowman has it taken carre of
[23:14] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Who is this Daddy Shadowman you speak of
[23:14] <bkerensa> :)
[23:14] <bkerensa> MarkDude: On May 11th you want to come out to Mountain View with me for a Mozilla VIP Party?
[23:14] <bkerensa> :D
[23:15] <bkerensa> also if you wanna setup a MozCoffee while I'm down let me know so I can put in a funding request
[23:15] <dragon> Mozilla VIP party sounds like fun!
[23:16] <dax> bkerensa: redhat, I imagine
[23:16] <bkerensa> dragon: We will be having a Mozilla WebFWD Mixer in Mountain View the night that UDS ends
[23:16] <bkerensa> dax: yeah his minion redhat folk who give him a credit card to play with :P
[23:16] <dragon> bkerensa: But UDS is in Oakland. Isn't that a bit too far?
[23:16] <bkerensa> dragon: Mozilla will cover my transportation :)
[23:16] <bkerensa> They take care of team members
[23:17] <dragon> Fair enough.
[23:17] <bkerensa> I do wish it was at the new SF office though.... MV is a bit of a trip
[23:17] <dragon> Well, I live close to MV any way. MozParty sounds awesome, as long as Mozilla opens up their web store to developers soon!
[23:18] <pleia2> the new SF office isn't very big
[23:18] <MarkDude> bkerensa, maybe
[23:18] <MarkDude> A friend maybe having a housewarming party
[23:18] <bkerensa> MarkDude: tell that friend I want to go
[23:18] <bkerensa> ;)
[23:19] <MarkDude> Well, she has a limited list
[23:19] <MarkDude> Maybe we can get you set up for some zombie pics tho
[23:21] <dragon> Mozilla Marketplace is open to devs.


[09:11] <Pavol> Hello, I am trying to translate Lubuntu (and various other programs needed for our school). I did some translation for LXQt, some for other programs, however, there are still some minor untranslated items and I am unsure what package needs translation. I am mostly concerned with various dialog windows.
[09:11] <Pavol> Is there a way to find out what package does a specific dialog window belong?
[09:17] <kc2bez> Pavol: thank you for your translation contributions.
 I have a rather hacky way to do that is ubuntu-bug -w on the command line and then don't actually report a bug after it says what package it is reporting against but I don't know if this is the best way
[09:20] <kc2bez> That is a pretty interesting way to figure that out @lynorian
 I think I messed around with how it used xprop underneath but have forgotten how to use that command line tool in the years it has been but this works
[09:31] <Pavol> Thanks
 Great tip @lynorian tks