[07:55] <cc> hi,pals
[07:55] <cc> https://thepb.in/p/Q1hBng33GV4H8
[07:55] <cc> how can i make it possible
[07:58] <duflu> cc: If you can't buy an Ubuntu phone then see if you can buy a Nexus 4 or Nexus 5 and install Ubuntu on it
[07:59] <cc> i already have one
[07:59] <cc> Meizu pro 5
[08:03] <duflu> cc: The best advice I can find is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DisplayCasting
[08:11] <sil2100> pitti: hey! I noticed that two of the unity8 autopkgtests are failing possibly due to not using ubuntu-keyboard from -proposed
[08:11] <sil2100> pitti: is it somehow possible to re-run those tests with all-proposed?
[08:12] <pitti> sil2100: sure; you can even do it yourself now
[08:12] <sil2100> Oooh
[08:12] <pitti> (since last week or so)
[08:12] <sil2100> How? Through the recycle icon?
[08:12] <pitti> sil2100: grab the URL from the recycle icon and append &all-proposed=1
[08:12] <sil2100> !
[08:12] <sil2100> pitti: awesome!
[08:12] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[08:13] <pitti> sil2100: I don't want to expose that on excuses.html, as it would look totally confusing and cluttering, and second one shold know what she's doing when using that
[08:13] <pitti> sil2100: as this would usually point out too lax dependencies
[08:13] <sil2100> pitti: yeah, makes sense
[08:27] <pitti> sil2100: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#queue-ubuntu-yakkety-i386 → worked
[08:27] <pitti> sil2100: (still working on the infra, test will start in a bit)
[08:29] <cc> duflu: thanks a lot,does that mean it must has WIFI?
[08:30] <duflu> cc: Yes, either a smart TV with wifi or one of the listed adapters plugged in
[08:30] <duflu> I'm not sure if there is a cabled solution for the Pro 5
[08:30] <sil2100> \o/
[08:31] <cc> duflu: by the way,i want to install some file like .click
[08:31] <cc> but it told me i have no application to open
[08:31] <cc> what do i need ?
[08:32] <duflu> I don't know. Someone else here might
[08:32] <cc> pitti: hi,do you know which application can make my phone open .click?
[08:33] <cc> i'm new on ubuntu phone
[08:33] <pitti> sorry, I don't
[08:33] <pitti> "sudo click install"?
[08:33] <cc> :(
[08:33] <pitti> (I don't know if there is a graphical UI for that)
[08:34] <cc> 1.i download a package,named "shadowsocks.ubuntu-dawndily_1.0.5_armhf.click"
[08:34] <cc> but i cant run it
[08:34] <cc> it told me i have no application to run it
[08:35] <MCMic> cc: Where and why did you download this?
[08:36] <cc> i want to use vpn on my phone
[08:36] <cc> and i search it on google
[08:36] <cc> https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/shadowsocks.ubuntu-dawndiy
[08:37] <MCMic> cc: you can install this with the openstore
[08:37] <MCMic> cc: https://open.uappexplorer.com/docs#install
[08:38] <MCMic> Follow the 4 steps of how to install and then you should have an openstore app in which you can browse and install openstore packages
[08:45] <MCMic> Oh, does someone manage to send sound to a bluetooth speaker?
[08:46] <MCMic> When I tried I could pair, but then I did not find how to tell the music app to send the sound to it, same failure with the browser (youtube video, sound came out of the phone instead of the speaker).
[08:58] <mardy> Mirv: hi! I just commented on bug 1613670; I think you need to reopen it :-(
[09:07] <cc> MCMic: it told me
[09:07] <cc> "could not resolve:openstore.openstore-team_0.10._armhf.click"
[09:08] <MCMic> cc: then you might not be in the download folder
[09:08] <cc> 0.103
[09:08] <MCMic> You did download the file?
[09:08] <cc> yes
[09:08] <MCMic> (on your phone)
[09:08] <cc> i have download it
[09:08] <cc> on my phone
[09:08] <MCMic> And you went to the download folder in the terminal?
[09:09] <MCMic> you should see the file if you do «ls»
[09:09] <cc> i can see what i have download in my phone
[09:10] <cc> oh,maybe i'm wrong
[09:12] <cc> MCMic: when i download the openstore,i cant run it
[09:12] <popey> cc: installed it?
[09:12] <cc> yeah,i cant install it
[09:12] <popey> pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted openstore.openstore-team_0.10._armhf.click
[09:12] <cc> it told me i have no application to run it
[09:12] <vwxyz> can someone help me installing ubuntu touch on my lenovo a1000 smartphone
[09:13] <popey> vwxyz: I don't think it's been ported to that yet
[09:13] <cc> so , i tpye "pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted openstore.openstore-team_0.10._armhf.click "on terminal
[09:13] <popey> yes
[09:13] <cc> and it told me could not resolve:openstore.openstore-team_0.10._armhf.click
[09:13] <popey> yes
[09:13] <popey> you need to install it first
[09:13] <vwxyz> popey : how  can i port an ubuntu touch image to it?
[09:13] <cc> but i cant install it ,that's the problem
[09:14] <popey> cc: have you typed the above command?
[09:14] <popey> in the directory where the open store click is?
[09:14] <k1l> vwxyz: Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[09:14] <popey> vwxyz: see the porting link above
[09:14] <popey> (in the topic)
[09:15] <cc> popey: where can i find it
[09:15] <MCMic> popey: The command tells him «could not resolve:openstore.openstore-team_0.10._armhf.click», I guess he’is in the wrong folder
[09:15] <cc> when i download it ,i can see it on my
[09:15] <cc> Browser
[09:16] <popey> it's easier to do this over adb from a pc tbh
[09:16] <popey> wget the click url and then issue the pkcon command
[09:16] <popey> all from adb from a pc
[09:17] <vwxyz> popey : can you then help me with that... I didn't understand anything
[09:17] <popey> vwxyz: no, but the people in #ubports might
[09:17] <popey> cc: so:- enable developer mode on your phone, and attach via usb cable to pc
[09:17] <popey> cc: on pc:- adb shell
[09:17] <vwxyz> popey : okaaay thanks popey
[09:17] <popey> cc: in adb, run wget https://open.uappexplorer.com/api/download/openstore.openstore-team/openstore.openstore-team_0.103_armhf.click
[09:18] <popey> cc: then pkcon install local-install --allow-untrusted openstore.openstore-team_0.103_armhf.click
[09:18] <popey> job done
[09:19] <MCMic> I did it without adb
[09:20] <MCMic> I think it’s simpler just to type the command on the phone it’s not that long
[09:20] <MCMic> cc: You need to go in the download folder on your phone terminal, using «cd» command to change directory
[09:21] <MCMic> Should be «cd Downloads»
[09:21] <MCMic> cc: Then you can check with «ls» that you see the openstore click file
[09:21] <MCMic> If yes you can run the pkcon command
[09:24] <cc> MCMic: where can i download folder?
[09:25] <MCMic> cc: What??
[09:26] <cc> sorry
[09:26] <cc> cd
[09:26] <MCMic> You just need to go in the right folder before running the command, the one with you downloads
[09:26] <MCMic> *your downloads
[09:26] <MCMic> On my phone the command for this is «cd Downloads»
[09:26] <MCMic> I guess it’s the same on yours, you need to try and then run «ls» to check if you see the openstore file or not
[09:27] <cc> you mean i should tpye "cd download"on terminal?
[09:28] <cc> when i type " cd downloads",it told me "No such file or directory
[09:29] <MCMic> No, "cd Downloads"
[09:29] <MCMic> Case is important
[09:29] <cc> ho
[09:29] <cc> it's right
[09:29] <cc> and then?
[09:29] <MCMic> "ls"
[09:29] <cc> "ls"?
[09:29] <MCMic> And see if there is the openstore file in the list it gives you
[09:30] <cc> yeah
[09:30] <cc> i see it
[09:30] <MCMic> So "pkcon install local-install --allow-untrusted openstore.openstore-team_0.103_armhf.click" should work now
[09:36] <cc> debsig:Origin Signature chenk failed.This deb might not be signed
[09:36] <cc> what's that?
[09:45] <cc> it's time to leave now,i'll back tomorrow,MCMic,thanks for your help
[09:48] <vandenoever> i'd like to file a bug for the hotspot on ubuntu touch, what bugtracker is that?
[09:52] <duflu> vandenoever: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+filebug
[09:52] <duflu> At least that's a starting point
[09:53] <popey> vandenoever: which device?
[09:55] <vandenoever> duflu: meizu mx4
[09:55] <vandenoever> basically, to get hotspot working, i first have to enable it in system settings and then with the notification toggle
[09:55] <vandenoever> so the toggles are somehow not properly connected
[09:56] <sil2100> pitti: I know you're probably busy, but I just wanted to make sure that all is good - is there a way to check if the unity8 amd64 re-run of autopkgtests with all-proposed is queued somewhere?
[09:56] <matv1> vandenoever you might also check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network
[09:56] <sil2100> pitti: since the i386 finished successfully, but the amd64 one didn't seem to get run yet?
[09:56] <pitti> sil2100: I saw it queued earlier, so should be good; but I don't remember if it was on all arches
[09:57] <pitti> sil2100: the queue view is a bit broken right now, it often leaves out queued entries
[09:57] <sil2100> Ah, ok, thanks
[09:57] <pitti> sil2100: actually it did run: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/unity8/yakkety/amd64
[09:57] <vandenoever> ah, reported already: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1589149
[09:57] <pitti> sil2100: it just finished quickly on uninstallability
[09:58] <ondra> javier4_ if you want to get rid of them, then just git clean -fdx will do the trick
[09:58] <Mirv> mardy: :( but wasn't even the final silo tested as well earlier? or was it confusing that the scrolling worked but clicking not? finally, is it all about the webview and not something that would require what just landed for ubuntuone-credentials to fix blank page https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntuone-credentials/loader-1620338/+merge/305193 ?
[09:58] <pitti> sil2100: search for "broken count: 35"
[09:59] <mardy> Mirv: the U1 is a different issue, it doesn't use the webview and is about unity8; this one is about webview and unity7
[10:00] <mardy> Mirv: AFAICT, scrolling always worked; it's when getting focus, that the problem manifests itself
[10:00] <mardy> Mirv: you are not basing Qt on 5.6.1, are you?
[10:01] <javier4_> ondra, I could get rid, stash, or simply branch them and checkout on original commit and restart from that, that's not a problem... What I really need is a safe way to get ALL the modifications Ubuntu applied to aosp tree. That's why I asked you if the initial commit of the branch is a plain aosp, or an already modified version.
[10:03] <ondra> javier4_ build repository is heavily modified by mtk, so usually you have to dump down patches and apply them one by one by hand. Or if you do not want to do it patch by patch, dump big diff and do it as one big diff
[10:03] <ondra> javier4_ so do you want it as diff on file level, or as set of patches for each git repo?
[10:04] <ondra> javier4_ set of patches  you can apply as git am --3way <patch set>
[10:04] <ondra> javier4_ though I think it won't work that we as you probably lack history, so 3way merge usually fails
[10:07] <javier4_> ondra, I could give a chance to the automatic apllying, but due to modifications inside mtk tree, I doubt they would fit as-they-are. So probably a file-per-file diff should be preferable. The fact is that I have to be sure that I will get ALL the differences betwenn pure AOSP and Ubuntu.
[10:12] <ondra> javier4_ there are only few problematic ones, build and frameworks, rest usually applies almost clean or with little help
[10:12] <ondra> javier4_ to be sure to take it all, take it patch by patch
[10:13] <ondra> javier4_ if you take is as massive diff, it's easy to miss something as there are then too many changes in build dir  you can't be sure what is mtk change and what is Ubuntu related
[10:14] <NeKit> I think, another patch by patch approach advantage is that you keep those changes in git history with basic description for them
[10:14] <Mirv> mardy: sorry I don't get what you asked on the basing part?
[10:15] <javier4_> Nekit, didn't you say in private that you used the big diff approach?
[10:15] <Mirv> mardy: 5.6.1 is the newest upstream release and the one in yakkety + xenial (plus big pile of our patches)
 git am for most of patches, and manually where it failed
[10:15] <NeKit> I mean that if git am fails to apply patch, you need to do it manually
[10:16] <Mirv> mardy: and you were testing the 5.6.1+dfsg-3ubuntu5~1
[10:16] <NeKit> but it will be a small change and not a big diff
[10:17] <mardy> Mirv: right, now I remember, that I was not testing the upstream 5.6.1, but 5.6, which probably has many more patches on top
[10:17] <javier4_> NeKit, oh... git am on every single patch. Now i understand.
[10:19] <NeKit> you can use git am on all the patches for specific repo at once, it will apply them step by step and ask to do it manually when it fails, then continue
[10:19] <Mirv> mardy: hmm, right I don't remember either if you tested the final PPA or not. but given that you tried with and without that patch, it's still weird it wouldn't work with the patch.
[10:19] <Mirv> mardy: maybe there's something else touching the same files between 5.6.1 and 5.6 tip?
[10:19] <mardy> Mirv: yep, I suspect that... I'll try some bisecting
[10:21] <Mirv> mardy: my plan is to land 5.6.2 (+ our patches) to xenial-overlay eventually, but that won't help yakkety users
[10:48] <javier4_> NeKit, ondra , I have another doubt: the mtk tree on which I would apply the patches, is not divided into many repos. It's just a huge unique repo. Will I be able to apply on it the various big dump taken with git format-patch from the various sub-repos Ubuntu is divided into?
[10:50] <NeKit> I created new repos as in AOSP structure for parts I needed to apply patches too
[10:50] <NeKit> *to
[10:50] <sil2100> pitti: the ubuntu-keyboard thing worries me a bit, since the amd64 unity8 autopkgtest is failing because of ubuntu-keyboard being uninstallable - and that's uninstallable because, huh, ubuntu-keyboard-data is not available for the latest keyboard version
[10:52] <sil2100> pitti: e.g. doing apt-cache policy ubuntu-keyboard-data on a yakkety-amd64 chroot returns only 0.100+16.10.20160818-0ubuntu1, no mention of the 0.100+16.10.20160921-0ubuntu1 version in proposed
[10:52] <sil2100> (with -proposed enabled)
[10:52] <Mirv> ahayzen: not sure who is leading the ticket https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1972 but the next step would be testing the built silo and getting the Lander Signoff clicked to "Approved" if it works ok. comment on the bug report would be ok too.
[10:53] <sil2100> pitti: what could be the cases when a certain binary package is missing from -proposed? I checked the changes of the package but there's nothing that could have caused it, just a dep change
[10:53] <Trevinho> mardy: about that system settings issue... I've that also in my xenial+overlay installation
[10:53] <javier4_> NeKit, did you create them on mtk tree or on the ubuntu one?
[10:53] <NeKit> mtk tree
[10:53] <sil2100> pitti: so, in this case it seems that even though ubuntu-keyboard=0.100+16.10.20160921-0ubuntu1 is available in -proposed, ubuntu-keyboard-data=0.100+16.10.20160921-0ubuntu1 is not
[10:53] <NeKit> the tree I have is without any git repos at all
[10:54] <sil2100> (while both come from the same source)
[10:54] <ahayzen> Mirv, ok thanks i'm going to give it a try tonight, if it works i'll let you know :-)
[10:54] <javier4_> NeKit, Mine was too, then I initialized one on it, but a big one. Non a wise choice.
[11:03] <Mirv> ahayzen: ok! or get Jim to test it, whichever is fine.
[11:13] <mardy> Trevinho: you mean the webview turning white when it gets focus?
[11:15] <ogra_> Trevinho, overlay seems pretty broken currently (i tried it on the WE. empty apps scope, cant create U1 account)
[11:16] <jgdx> pete-woods, hey, using libqtdbusmock, do you ever get failures where a name fails to appear on the bus in time?
[11:24] <pete-woods> jgdx: usually only if the build server is incredibly slow
[11:24] <pete-woods> jgdx: it's (IIRC) a 30 second timeout
[11:24] <sil2100> pitti: ok, nvm my earlier ping, cjwatson helped out with that
[11:25] <sil2100> (it was actually my fault partially)
[11:25] <pete-woods> so sometimes with our heavily overloaded build system the python daemons can take longer than that to grab the DBus name
[11:25] <jgdx> pete-woods, we seem to hit it quite frequently on our jaas. Do you see that? Or have you taken steps to mitigate the risk for it to happen?
[11:26] <pete-woods> jgdx: I don't use JAAS at the moment because half the indicator-network tests just timeout due to its slowness
[11:26] <jgdx> pete-woods, what times out?
[11:26] <pete-woods> sometimes things like you are experiencing there
[11:27] <pete-woods> where even reasonable timeouts of 30+ seconds are failing
[11:27] <pete-woods> but the other thing it exposes is that there are still a few race conditions in the tests
[11:27] <pete-woods> and it makes those fail with regularity
[11:28] <pete-woods> however, I don't have the time to fix those right now
[11:28] <pete-woods> so for the moment, we're just using CI train
[11:30] <jgdx> pete-woods, okay. Looking at the time stamps and run times of those tests, that corresponds with what you're telling me. But I'm partly suspecting the kind of template used has something to do with the timeouts.
[11:31] <jgdx> the bluetooth template seems to always produce something on the bus, e.g.
[11:31]  * pete-woods listens
[11:32] <jgdx> that's all I've got
[11:32] <pete-woods> oh
[11:32] <pete-woods> e.g. made me think there was more
[11:32] <pete-woods> jgdx: that's a very interesting observation
[11:32] <pete-woods> however the ordering could be significant
[11:32] <pete-woods> it could also be a bug in one of the templates, as you're implying
[11:33] <jgdx> pete-woods, I'll take a look at it, maybe I can find something interesting
[11:33] <pete-woods> jgdx: what I'd really like to see is you guys moving back to using the shared templates
[11:33] <pete-woods> as they have had a lot of fixes applied to them
[11:33] <pete-woods> and then at least both of us are singing from the same hymn sheet with our tests
[11:34] <ogra_> record ... or it didnt happen !
[11:37] <jgdx> pete-woods, yea… But we have to migrate to shared templates after we've rewritten most of the AP tests into unit tests. but time
[11:37] <pete-woods> I understand
[11:38] <pete-woods> would be great to see you using qmltestrunner
[11:38] <pete-woods> instead of AP
[11:38] <pete-woods> should give you much more reliable tests
[11:38] <pete-woods> anyway, not my job to push requirements onto you :)
[11:38] <jgdx> yeah, that work has started, and e.g. the network panel now uses mostly qmltestrunner
[11:39] <jgdx> + nm mock via libqdbusmock
[11:51] <ondra> javier4_ yeah that is usual mtk style, as they use internally perforce so they throw over the fence one huge repo with no history
[11:51] <ondra> javier4_ so you won't able to use git apply or git am in this case
[11:51] <ondra> javier4_ all manual work
[12:08] <Trevinho> mardy: yeah speaking of the white webview
[12:23] <pitti> sil2100: that sounds like binNEW, let me check
[12:26] <pitti> sil2100: hm, I don't see it in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[12:27] <mardy> Mirv: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oxide-qt/+bug/1613670/comments/16 now I'm making a rebuild from the yakkety sources, with that patch in, to double check that it's indeed helping
[12:29] <pitti> sil2100: ah, good
[12:31] <sil2100> pitti: yeah, resolved, it was caused by a double-copy to UNAPPROVED, with both migrating to the -proposed pocket and superseeding eachother (with the same version number)
[12:31] <sil2100> Crazy stuff
[12:58] <sverzegnassi> faenil: ping
[13:02] <mardy> Mirv: yes, it helps! That's the patch! Can you please put it in a silo?
[13:04] <Mirv> mardy: right, I was just checking that indeed it's not in 5.6.1 despite being put to 5.6 branch before 5.6.1 release.
[13:04] <Mirv> mardy: sir, yes, sir
[13:04] <mardy> :-)
[13:12] <faenil> sverzegnassi: pong
[13:14] <sverzegnassi> faenil: o/ Do you have a moment so we can discuss about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1627078 ? :)
[13:14] <faenil> sverzegnassi: sure
[13:14] <faenil> zsombi: you there?
[13:15] <zsombi> faenil: yes
[13:15] <faenil> zsombi: can you have a look ^
[13:18] <zsombi> faenil: sverzegnassi: ok, read the comments
[13:19] <zsombi> faenil: sverzegnassi: for the sake of QQC2 compatibility, we could add a pressed property to the scrollbars. question is do we need similar thing to ScrollView?
[13:19] <sverzegnassi> zsombi: as long as each ScrollBar can be accessed from ScrollView, I'd say it's okay
[13:20] <faenil> zsombi: ScrollView already exposes the scrollbars, so you can manually bind to horizontalScrollbar.pressed
[13:20] <zsombi> sverzegnassi: ok, so we can go for a readonly alias names as pressed
[13:20] <sverzegnassi> zsombi, faenil: that's great! thanks!
[13:20] <faenil> one other question, which is still pending time/investigation, is whether ScrollView should instantiate both scrollbars every time (which it does, at the moment, for simplicity/time)
[13:21] <faenil> zsombi: ok, can you comment on hte bug please?
[13:21] <zsombi> faenil: sure
[13:21] <faenil> I'm not sure when I'll have the time to do the change, it might have to go through yu guys
[13:21] <faenil> you*
[13:22] <faenil> (it's not just about the property, it's about making sure the semantic of that property is correct)
[13:25] <sverzegnassi> faenil: np, I can workaround it for now, by binding to the 'verticalVelocity' of the Flickable, as suggested in the report
[13:26] <faenil> sverzegnassi: mmm I'd expect verticalyVelocity == 0 while you're dragging the scrollbar
[13:32] <sverzegnassi> faenil: ack, right! ScrollBar sets 'contentX/contentY' directly... ok, no problem, i can disable that overlay for now :)
[13:34] <faenil> sverzegnassi: heh :)
[13:38] <javier4_> ondra, shouldn't work at all, or should it fails time to time needing manual intervention, as NeKit said?
[13:39] <NeKit> you can't use 3-way-merge due to lack of history, but can use git am/git apply if you create the repos yourself
[13:58] <Raghuveer> help
[13:58] <Raghuveer> HELP
[13:59] <dobey> !ask | Raghuveer
[13:59] <ogra_> !ask | Raghuveer
[13:59] <ogra_> bah, dobey beats me
[13:59] <dobey> heh
[13:59] <ogra_> seems we scared him
[13:59] <ogra_> (or her)
[14:02] <dobey> because someone falling into your taxi cab and yelling HAAALP isn't scary at all
[14:05] <ogra_> hmpf ... so i'd really like to be able to create a U1 account again :/
[14:06] <dobey> you can
[14:06] <dobey> why can't you?
[14:06] <ogra_> dunno ...
[14:06] <javier4_> NeKit, thanks again man.
[14:06] <ogra_> my apps scope is empty on the desktop since the weekend
[14:07] <dobey> on xenial+overlay, or yakkety?
[14:07] <ogra_> so i thought i'd be a clever boy and re-create my U1 account ... deleted it ... and now i only get an empty window when trying to add one
[14:07] <ogra_> xenial+overlay
[14:07] <ogra_> but even in unity7 i dont get the U1 option
[14:07] <dobey> the blank window is fixed in overlay now, the fix landed earlier today
[14:08] <ogra_> running system-settings under U7 gets me the option but the same behaviour
[14:08] <dobey> yeah, we don't provide a gtk+ plug-in
[14:08] <ogra_> ah, i'll dist-upgrade then
[14:08] <dobey> and ubuntu-system-settings requires mir for the trusted prompt stuff
[14:09] <ogra_> ah
[14:09] <ogra_> well, it behaves identical on both unities atm :)
[14:09] <ogra_> ok, dist-upgrade got me something
[14:10]  * ogra_ needs to wait for some processes to finish before switching to U8
[14:12] <dobey> for the apps scope being blank, i'm not sure what exactly would cause that. we switched to using ubuntu-app-launch to get list of installed apps in yakkety/xenial, but it's been working fine for me for several weeks before we landed that, and worked fine for a few others too.
[14:12] <dobey> ogra_: do you have libertine container with apps configured there?
[14:12] <ogra_> yes
[14:13] <dobey> hmmmm
[14:13] <dobey> how can i create a libertine container on PC?
[14:14] <ogra_> install the libertine stuff and run libertine-container-manager create ...
[14:15] <jibel> dobey, blank app scope is bug 1618590
[14:15] <jibel> it's a crash of scoperunner
[14:15] <ogra_> aha
[14:15] <dobey> huh?
[14:15] <jibel> lp down doesn't help
[14:15] <ogra_> is it still ?
[14:15] <dobey> jibel: is that the QObject::disconnect crash?
[14:15] <jibel> not only lp
[14:15] <ogra_> damn
[14:16] <ogra_> yeah, it is
[14:16] <dobey> then no, that would not cause a blank scope
[14:16] <jibel> dobey, I filed another bug this morning but Marcus marked it as duplicate of this report
[14:16] <dobey> that crash happens when the scope is being shut down
[14:17] <dobey> so results would have already been returned and shown in unity
[14:17] <jibel> dobey, my original report was [Bug 1627668] [NEW] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/unity-scopes/scoperunner:11:QObject::disconnect:QObject::disconnect:QDBusConnectionPrivate::closeConnection:QDBusConnectionManager::run:QThreadPrivate::start
[14:17] <dobey> jibel: yes if you filed a bug about that crash it's a duplicate
[14:17] <dobey> jibel: but that is a separate issue from getting a blank scope
[14:18] <jibel> dobey, it's the only error I found
[14:19] <dobey> jibel: sure. the scope is blank because something is causing it to return 0 results
[14:19] <jibel> otherwise I've this warning "** (process:4294): WARNING **: Unable to get snap information for 'yakkety': Status code is: 404"
[14:20] <jibel> there is a unity8 crash too
[14:20] <jibel> and signon-ui
[14:22] <dobey> jibel: do you have a libertine container?
[14:23] <jibel> dobey, I do
[14:25] <dobey> jibel: ok, i'm trying to create one now. i think maybe there's a bug in ual with getting libertine app info or something.
[14:25] <jibel> dobey, is there any info I can provide? I cannot find anything obvious from the logs
[14:27] <dobey> jibel: i just recreated the issue in my vm, so i think i can debug from here now
[14:27] <dobey> hopefully can figure it out quickly
[14:29] <jibel> dobey, thanks
[14:32] <dobey> jibel: when lp comes back on, can you file a new bug about the scope being blank please?
[14:35] <jibel> dobey, sure
[15:54] <kgunn> bfiller: hey, is the u8 snap catch up meeting time tomorrow ok?
[16:11] <bfiller> kgunn, works for me
[16:20] <jibel> dobey, bug 1627759
[16:20] <jibel> let me know if you need some logs
[16:22] <davmor2> jibel: I have webbrowser and system-settings vissible in on a fresh install of unity8-desktop-session
[16:22] <davmor2> -s
[16:31] <dobey> davmor2: yeah, it only breaks after you set up libertine
[16:33] <MichalP> Hello, I need flash UT to Meizu MX4 android version. I asking for it many times here without any good answer, but I want try last one if somebody know hot flash UT to MX4. If not I will need to start used ANDROID but this is for me very bad thing. I used UT more than one year on Nexus and I don't wont stop use UT.
[16:34] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: Do you have any ideas why Libertine triggers that?
[16:34] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: small implementation difference in the backend in ual i guess
[16:34] <bregma> prolly triggers some code path
[16:34] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: Is tedg on it to fix?
[16:34] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: i'm looking at it
[16:35] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: i'm still not sure if i need to change something in the scope too; but i should have a fix today i hope
[16:35] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: Ah, ok.  Do you need any other debugging from me from our Friday debugging session?
[16:35] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: nah, i've set up a libertine container in my VM and can replicate the issue, so i can debug myself now
[16:36] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: Ok, cool.  Let me know if there is anything I can do to help test.
[16:36] <dobey> ChrisTownsend: yep i will
[16:37] <ChrisTownsend> dobey: thanks!
[16:44] <fw190d13> hello!
[16:44] <fw190d13> Is there some way to block adds on stock Ubuntu touch browser?
[16:55] <MichalP> Or do sombody why MTK tool show me error 5000?
[16:58] <dobey> i guess only mtk would know that
[16:59] <MichalP> So It looks that no any choice, just leave from UT :(  I tried all method, but all fails....
[17:03] <MichalP> Ok, anyway thanks. Maybe when will release any new Ut phone and it will more then 100 pcs than I will have lucky to buy. So jump to android now :( . Thanks
[17:04] <dobey> my best guess with the mtk tool not working would be either usb cable/port/chipset, or the device is locked bootloader
[17:07] <MichalP> probably locked bootloader (i listen that internacional deveices are locked and chinesse are unlocked. It detect my device good, so looks no way
[20:31] <Jiraiya_> hi


 It is being agressive
[21:35] <borked> You cannot know whether I am agressive via a screen, sorry.
[21:36] <borked> Since I am still problem solving, I'd say I am not.
[21:36] <borked> So, I'd say that you just don't like what I had to say.
[21:36] <borked> Because it hurts the Ubuntu image.
[21:36] <borked> Just like all those blogs which say that people with AMD hardware can better *not* upgrade to 16.04.
[21:36] <hggdh> no it does not hurt Ubuntu. You inability to provide hard data, and agressiveness hurts your chances of getting a response
[21:37] <borked> I did provide some hard data.
[21:37] <borked> It's just that your volunteers are not that experienced.
[21:37] <hggdh> "emergency shell". Cannot take a picture. There are no logs.
[21:37] <k1l_> borked: the issue with amd and the latest xorg version and fglrx will hit every distro releasing in 2016. so i dont see where its ubuntus fault when amd stops making fglrx
[21:38] <borked> "Welcome to emergency mode!"
[21:39] <borked> Anyway, *I* believe I gave enough details.
[21:39] <hggdh> borked: so. If you want help, you need to provide data. Hard data. And you *need* to be courteous.
[21:39] <borked> Whether or not you also believe that is rather irrelevant to me.
[21:39] <borked> I make an assessment based on the replies I get of your skills.
[21:39] <hggdh> so you are not going to change your behaviour?
[21:39] <borked> That assessment told me that you are incompetent.
[21:39] <borked> That's my right.
[21:39] <hggdh> ok. I vote to keep the mute.
[21:40] <borked> Do you wish to rule the planet someday like Erdogan?
[21:40] <hggdh> borked: since you will not respect others, there is not much for us to talk about.
[21:40] <hggdh> borked: now, please leave. The mute stays.
[21:40] <borked> hggdh: uhm, that's jumping to conclusions.
[21:41] <borked> hggdh: I didn't say that I didn't respect anyone.
[21:41] <borked> hggdh: you seem to be having issues with reading.
[21:41] <hggdh> borked: please leave. Now.
[21:41] <borked> hggdh: because some teen says so?
[21:41] <hggdh> /csop;/kick borked return in one week, please.
[21:42] <hggdh> @comment 73556 unable to discuss behaviour. Mute on #u should stay on (my personal view)
[21:43] <borked> Why do you allow people like hggdh to have any power?
[21:43] <hggdh> borked: what can we do for you? If it is the same, just leave, please.
[21:44] <borked> hggdh: you didn't listen to what I said.
[21:44] <valorie> I believe hggdh speaks for all of us, borked
[21:44] <borked> hggdh: and you don't respect my opinion.
[21:44] <k1l_> borked: your attitude is way out of line and you keep on going with it. we dont want such an attitude in our community.
[21:44] <borked> I should be thanking people who have no clue?
[21:44] <borked> What?!
[21:44] <hggdh> right. So, let's move on.
[21:44] <borked> Sorry, I will thank someone when he/she helps me.
[21:45] <borked> Sofar you have only wasted my time.
[21:45] <hggdh> borked: please leave. Nothing else to do.
[21:45] <k1l_> borked: so if ubuntu is rubbish and the community are all noobs who dont know anything, then maybe its time to get a 1337 linux? eh?
[21:45] <k1l_> *why
[21:45] <borked> k1l_: I already moved a couple of systems off Ubuntu.
[21:45] <borked> k1l_: so, yes, I will get rid of Ubuntu.
[21:45] <hggdh> borked: we are done here. Please leave now.
[21:46] <borked> hggdh: you failed to provide an argument.
[21:46] <borked> hggdh: you only made conclusions.
[21:46] <k1l_> borked: ok. then you dont need to get unmuted in #ubuntu anyway. have a good day, bye
[21:46] <borked> I am still running it on one system.
[21:46] <borked> I just said that.
[21:46] <borked> How stupid are you?
[21:46] <hggdh> @comment 73559 returned with same attitude
[21:46] <borked> ...
[21:48] <valorie> thank you fine ops
[21:48] <hggdh> @comment 73660 banning for 1 week from #u-ops,7d
[21:48] <hggdh> @comment 73560 banning for 1 week from #u-ops,7d
[21:53] <hggdh> sigh. Why are some so dense?
[21:57] <k1l_> ah, he was the user from earlier called bobb and making a drama about amd not making fglrx anymore and instead of just testing it with a live ubuntu 16.04 kept on talking about
[21:58] <hggdh> so no change in behaviour, just a change in pet peeve?
[22:00] <k1l_> bobb_ > I suppose everyone who upgraded who didn't have any issues doesn't actually *use* their systems.


[09:45] <jester-> hi
[13:53] <MTecknology> jussi01: how's your day going?
[13:54] <MTecknology> nalioth: ping
[14:00] <Pici> MTecknology: Anything we can help you with, or do you specifically need nal?
[14:01] <tritium> Pici: we have some new ubuntu members that need their hostmasks.
[14:01] <MTecknology> Pici: doctormo said he asked for a hostmask and never got a reply
[14:01] <MTecknology> lol, I say his name and in a *poof* he appears
[14:02] <doctormo> I want to request masking for irc
[14:03] <Pici> doctormo: Can you make sure that you've followed all the steps outlined here first: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[14:04] <doctormo> *sigh*
[14:04] <doctormo> never mind
[14:04] <Pici> Er.
[14:04] <MTecknology> lol...
[14:05] <MTecknology> Pici: sorry to bother you I guyess
[14:46] <MTecknology> Pici: I just talked doctormo through setting up his nick and an alias...
[14:46] <MTecknology> idk if you still want to give it to him or not :P
[14:48] <Pici> MTecknology: I don't have the power unfortunately.  naliot-h or Price-y can. Have him ask them while including a link to his lp page.
[14:50] <MTecknology> Pici: I think he has a little anger management problem ;P
[14:50] <doctormo> I want to appologies for being curt earlier.
[14:52] <doctormo> MTecknology is encouraging me to proceed and ask nalioth or Pricey to do the net mask: http://launchpad.net/~doctormo nick and alias set up as requested.
[14:54] <Pici> doctormo: Looks good. Just hang out and wait for one of them to attend. It may take a while though.  Also, you may want to /msg nickserv set hidemail on
[14:56] <doctormo> Pici: but then people won't be able to email me
[14:56] <Pici> doctormo: Thats fine.
[17:21] <alefteris> is it possible to include non-english factoids to ubot* ?
[17:22] <LjL> alefteris: yes
[17:23] <alefteris> cool
[17:23] <LjL> alefteris: what do you want to have? (i should probably make them channel specific though)
[17:23] <LjL> or are you an editor?
[17:23] <LjL> oh wait, you're on ubot3
[17:23] <LjL> i'm not sure i'm an editor there
[17:23] <Myrtti> LjL: after a few it's more justified to have a specific bot for that and not cram it up in ubot3...
[17:24] <alefteris> LjL, a greek version of !ask
[17:24] <LjL> Myrtti: does ubot3 sync its db?
[17:24] <Myrtti> LjL: I thought ubot3 is an ubottu clone that is mirrored from ubottu
[17:24] <LjL> ok
[17:24] <LjL> alefteris: ok, i *think* i can't make the factoid name itself ("!ask") in greek, but i can give the contents
[17:24] <LjL> alefteris: type what you want it to be
[17:24] <Myrtti> LjL: what I mean is that cramming ubot3 means that the factoids and the database is multiplied to several other channels and bots using the ubottu db
[17:25] <LjL> Myrtti: so long as it's channel specific factoids it shouldn't be a huge issue, should it?
[17:25] <alefteris> LjL, no, I can live with the english name of the factoid, its the message that I'm more intrested :)
[17:25] <LjL> Myrtti: besides, the big loco channels have their own bots
[17:26] <Myrtti> LjL: I'm more intrested about the size of the database
[17:26] <Myrtti> [19:23] < Myrtti> LjL: after a few it's more justified to have a specific  bot for that and not cram it up in <one MASSIVE database>...
[17:26] <LjL> Myrtti: i don't think it'll grow very much. i'm pretty sure alefteris doesn't really want the whole factoid collection in greek, just !ask and at most a couple others
[17:27] <Myrtti> LjL: which is why I said <after a few>
[17:27] <Myrtti> anyway
[17:27] <Myrtti> I'm tired and a bit woozy from the cortisone and the painkillers and sleep
[17:27]  * Myrtti goes
[17:28] <jester-> va va che LjL è tornato dala polinesia
[17:28] <jester-> lol
[17:29] <alefteris> so what's the outcome, are 1,2 localised factoids on the main bot fine?
[17:29] <LjL> jester-: prrr
[17:29] <jester-> LjL: hihihi
[17:29] <LjL> alefteris: they are
[17:29] <LjL> alefteris: just paste it for me and i'll add it
[17:30] <alefteris> LjL, ok
[17:48] <alefteris> LjL, for "askgr": Παρακαλούμε μην ρωτάτε για να κάνετε μια ερώτηση, απλά ρωτήστε αυτό που θέλετε σε λίγες γραμμές ώστε να είναι ευανάγνωστο. Αν κάποιος γνωρίζει την απάντηση θα σας απαντήσει. :)
[17:49] <LjL> !ask-#ubuntu-gr is <reply> Παρακαλούμε μην ρωτάτε για να κάνετε μια ερώτηση, απλά ρωτήστε αυτό που θέλετε σε λίγες γραμμές ώστε να είναι ευανάγνωστο. Αν κάποιος γνωρίζει την απάντηση θα σας απαντήσει. :)
[17:50] <alefteris> LjL, and finally for "paste": Το pastebin είναι μια υπηρεσία για να δημοσιεύετε κείμενα που πιάνουν πάνω από 4 σειρές ώστε να μην φορτώνεται/γεμίζει το κανάλι. Το pastebin μας βρίσκεται στο http://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org (μετά την δημοσίευση μην ξεχάσετε να μας δώσετε το URL για το
[17:50] <alefteris>  κείμενο).
[17:51] <LjL> !paste-#ubuntu-gr is <reply> Το pastebin είναι μια υπηρεσία για να δημοσιεύετε κείμενα που πιάνουν πάνω από 4 σειρές ώστε να μην φορτώνεται/γεμίζει το κανάλι. Το pastebin μας βρίσκεται στο http://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org (μετά την δημοσίευση μην ξεχάσετε να μας δώσετε το URL για το κείμενο).
[17:52] <alefteris> LjL, cool! thanks a lot
[21:17] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-ir, bahram said: ubot2, saaber is terrorist
[21:19] <Myrtti> right
[21:22] <Nafallo> o_O
[21:22] <jpds> Good thing they can't write to the main DB.
[21:22] <jpds> ...and even if they did, it'd get overwritten by the next hour.
[21:23] <Nafallo> AND CAMELS!
[21:31] <jpds> And dirty djs?
[21:31] <Nafallo> \o/


[08:53] <Howie> me again
[08:56] <Howie> i.said I'd be back and I came back
[08:57] <Howie> AlanBell ^^
[08:58] <Howie>  ahh here we go
[09:03] <Howie> Ill come back.later
[16:30] <Pici> jpds: around? It looks like ubot4 quit the other day and hasn't been back since.
[16:45] <pleia2> yeah, the server exploded a bit (may actually need to find a new home for it, 512M box with a bit too much running on it)
[18:36] <Pici> pleia2: Do we have an eta for that server? Just wondering if I need to bother someone else to get another bot up.
[18:36] <pleia2> Pici: it's up right now and can be used for the next few weeks
[18:37] <pleia2> jpds can start the bot whenever
[18:37] <Pici> pleia2: I'll bother him then.
[18:37] <h00k> If it's not terribly intensive, I have a small dockstar with attached storage I'd loan to hosting if necessary ;)
[18:38] <h00k> it's got a good spot under my couch.
[18:38] <pleia2> supybot can be a bit hefty
[18:40] <h00k> It's one of these: http://goo.gl/b7UD3
[18:40] <h00k> I also have a spare dualcore laptop, 3gb ram.
[18:41] <Pici> That looks like a doorstop.
[18:41] <h00k> Pici: it's pretty sweet, currently boots Debian off a 1tb external I have on it.
[18:42] <h00k> s/on/attached to/
[18:43] <h00k> anyway, I'd set something up for hosting, get anyone who manages it access, if it's important.
[21:03] <m4v> supybot can use between ~50mb (our bot in u-es) to ~100mb (any lubotu) of ram. The extreme is ubottu which can use 200mb.
[21:12] <h00k> I should see what that deskstar has
[21:13] <m4v> we still have to figure out if the high ram usage is supybot's or our plugins' fault :(
[21:13] <marienz> debugging python memory usage is awkward (meliae should help but I haven't played with it yet)
[21:15] <m4v> yeah, I played with guppy but I couldn't figure out how to use it... I tried meliae but I got segfaults only :(
[21:22] <marienz> meliae should be a bit friendlier than heapy
[21:22] <marienz> I've used heapy but it's much more useful for a process you can sensibly freeze
[21:22] <marienz> you don't really want to use heapy on a running supybot, while meliae can do dumps you can process externally
[21:30] <m4v> I see, I'll have to look meliae again.
[22:54] <tsimpson> who want's useless info, well you'll get it anyway: ubottu using 194m (RES), which is nearly 10% of our available memory. all the supybot's together are using over 740MB, spread over 10 bots, so ~74MB per-bot
[22:55] <tsimpson> python/supybot is far from light-weight
[22:55] <pleia2> not useless, thanks tsimpson :)


[00:39] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: JetBrains’ New #OpenSource Font Makes Reading Code Easier @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=161074 (by Joey Sneddon)
[11:37] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Kubuntu General News: Plasma 5.18 LTS Beta (5.17.90) Available for Testing @ https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-18-lts-beta-5-17-90-available-for-testing/
[16:14] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: 5 key steps to take your IoT device to market @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/5-key-steps-to-take-your-iot-device-to-market
[16:22] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Google is Reportedly Working to Bring Steam Support to Chromebooks @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/google-is-reportedly-working-to-bring-steam-support-to-chromebooks-528899.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[16:33] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Design and Web team summary – 17 January 2020 @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/design-and-web-team-summary-17-january-2020
[23:15] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: PinePhone, the $149 Linux Phone, Has Started Shipping for the Brave of Heart @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/pinephone-the-149-linux-phone-has-started-shipping-for-the-brave-of-heart-528902.shtml (by Marius Nestor)


[17:21] <jbicha> tumbleweed: reverse-depends hasn't updated since Wednesday
[19:56] <clonne101_> hello friends


[02:21] <guiverc> s/Counci/Council :(
[02:44] <guiverc> that's all I saw Bashing-om ...  I re-worded first summary in gdoc.. & said why
[02:45] <guiverc> ^ is removal I think of 3 words; and later changing 1.. (hardly a reword)
[03:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Back and doing ^^ :D
[03:27] <Bashing-om> UWN: guiverc's edit completed. Next ?
[03:28] <guiverc> that was all I saw Bashing-om
[03:29] <Bashing-om> UWN: 2 down for proof-reading - holding my breath for the one other :D
[03:31] <guiverc> :)
[19:28] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - log checked; no further edits are known. Time to push 20:00 UTC.
[20:01] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - Fridge with the line 77 firmat warning. Doing the Forum post next.
[20:08] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - doing the re-directs next.
[20:35] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - Pending is release to the Social Medias :D
[22:58] <guiverc> okay to push uwn 685 to fridge Bashing-om
[23:03] <guiverc> four links needed edit
[23:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Sorry - wandered away - yeah Push to the fridge - line 77 warnings in the script.
[23:17] <guiverc> even when script errs... it's still done 99% of the job anyway  (just minor things to tweak) - love the script
[23:18] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/05/31/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-685/
[23:19] <guiverc> uwn 685 tweeted
[23:20] <guiverc> we have too many links I think on fridge post.. (that's likely the issue though)
[23:26] <Bashing-om> guiverc: You do good -Fridge spot check: checks good :D
[23:43] <guiverc> uwn 685 posted to fb...   I'm wondering about posting "Announcing Ubuntu's move to Libera Chat  (belated)  https://ubuntu-news.org/2021/05/26/announcing-ubuntus-move-to-libera-chat/"  - anyone okay or against that?  (given I'm here on fb)
[23:45] <krytarik> Sure.. by all means there can't be too much notification about this!.. :P
[23:47] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 685 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/05/31/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-685/
[23:59] <Wild_Man> guiverc, did you post about the move to libera? if so I will share it on the forums facebook and twitter accounts


[01:55] <nixternal> imbrandon: is there a kubuntu list of packages for feisty yet, or just pick some and rock and roll?
[01:55] <nixternal> im going to setup a fesity pbuilder after dinner, and mess around because im whacked out of my mind
[02:00] <Riddell> nixternal: wait until I upload qt/arts/kdelibs/kdebase before uploading anything
[02:00] <nixternal> roger that
[02:00] <Riddell> I'm not sure if merge o matic is running yet?
[02:00] <nixternal> it looks like it is
[02:00] <nixternal> i seen a bunch of ubuntu installer ones here just a little while ago
[02:01] <Riddell> http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[02:01] <Riddell> search for your own name on those pages for starters
[02:01] <nixternal> rockin
[02:02] <nixternal> ok, im not that cool...not on the list ;)
[02:18] <imbrandon> nixternal, if you want something to do you can work on my kvirc merge ( universe page )
[02:18] <imbrandon> i have a few others keeping me busy atm
[02:18] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:18] <Hobbsee> good luck with that
[02:18] <imbrandon> heh it should actualy be pretty streight forward
[02:18] <imbrandon> but takes forever to compile and test
[02:18] <imbrandon> lol
[02:19] <imbrandon> Riddell, 3.5.6 ? or just updates
[02:21] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee, imbrandon!
[02:21] <imbrandon> heya
[02:23] <Riddell> imbrandon: given tat 3.5.6 hasn't even been scheduled yet...
[02:24] <imbrandon> ahh very true, i just wasent sure "how long" you were talking about a wait
[02:24] <imbrandon> :)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[02:25] <Hobbsee> and i read my timetable wrong - the last two exams are two days earlier than i thought.  ouch
[02:28] <imbrandon> ouch
[02:28] <Jucato> double ouch (2 days)
[02:28] <imbrandon> as long as 2 days isnt 2 day ago your golden :)
[02:29] <Riddell> imbrandon: last today
[02:29] <imbrandon> Riddell, cool
[02:38] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, well...ouch
[03:04] <imbrandon> Tonio_, ping
[05:24] <nixternal> imbrandon: were you serious about kvirc, or were you muckin' with me?
[05:24] <nixternal> kvirc is some serious stuff, to bad it is fooogly
[05:25] <imbrandon> nixternal, no i was serouis if you want to do it
[05:25] <nixternal> k, no hurry?  as like i can play a little tomorrow?
[05:25] <imbrandon> sure
[05:25] <imbrandon> yea no rush
[05:25] <nixternal> im contemplating pillow suicide
[05:25] <imbrandon> lol
[05:25] <nixternal> im beat to death
[08:23] <Jucato> shouldn't the (tm) be immediately after DOOM? :P
[08:23] <Hobbsee> could be
[08:23] <Hobbsee> but the !!!'s are part of the trademark
[08:24] <Jucato> lol
[08:26] <Hobbsee> hah
[08:27] <Hobbsee> hey Lure
[08:28] <Lure> hi Hobbsee
[08:28] <Jucato> ouch...
[08:29] <Hobbsee> Mez: ouch. that was silly
[08:29] <Mez> :P
[08:29] <Jucato> lol
[08:30] <Mez> a
[08:31] <Jucato> the 'a' fell off...
[08:31] <Hobbsee> Mez: bring it here, when it's cooked.  and dont stick poison in it!
[08:32] <Hobbsee> Mez: ever had pizza with mayonaise on it?
[08:32] <Hobbsee> or yoghurt?
[08:32] <Jucato> eww...
[08:32] <Mez> Hobbsee, I've had pizza with pretty much anything on it
[08:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:32] <Mez> I make my own pizzas
[08:32] <Jucato> pizza with strawberries?
[08:32] <Hobbsee> oh yes, yoghurt was the one that i had once.  it was certainly....interesting
[08:32] <Jucato> chocolate pizza?
[08:32] <Hobbsee> Mez: same here.  tasty  :)
[08:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ooh!!!!  dont be evil like that!
[08:33] <Jucato> lol
[08:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: good thing that seele doesnt seem to be watching
[08:34] <Jucato> she's probably asleep. as most of the US citizens are
[08:35] <Hobbsee> mm...true that.  depends where they are though
[08:37] <Mez> Jucato, lol... why?
[08:37] <Jucato> "Ubuntu... purposely crippling KDE?" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299933&goto=newpost
[08:37] <Mez> I mean - BACKPORTS
[08:37] <Jucato> heheh
[08:38] <Jucato> sheesh, they even copied the official web page style?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> he's usually got more sense, too
[08:39] <Jucato> yeah, he was one of the proponents of the "Forum Ambassadors" thing
[08:39] <Jucato> s/was/is
[08:39] <Jucato> which makes it even more frustrating/annoying to see this from him
[08:40] <Hobbsee> indeed
[08:40] <Hobbsee> that being said, a lot of system settings still sucks, and needs work
[08:41] <Jucato> yeah... which is why I made a modified system-settings.menu for myself :P
[08:41] <Hobbsee> (like, stick all the extra modules in advanced, if you dont want to put them in general.  but dont hide them so i can never fidn them!)
[08:41] <Jucato> btw, the description for kde-guidance should probably be changed to mention the wineconfig module
[08:41] <Mez> Jucato, and why I modded katapult to run "kcontrol" even if it isnt in the menu (private branch)
[08:42] <Jucato> haha :)
[08:42] <Hobbsee> Mez: do it by default?  please?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> Jucato: wineconfig module?
[08:42] <Jucato> er... defeats the whole purpose of System Settings, right? :P
[08:42] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yes. KDE frontend to winecfg. it's included in kde-guidance
[08:42] <Hobbsee> Jucato: but wine isnt installed by default
[08:42] <Mez> Jucato, what defeats the whole purpose of SS ?
[08:43] <Jucato> KControl ->  System Administration
[08:43] <Hobbsee> Mez: to let kcontrol be accessed
[08:43] <Jucato> Mez: having KControl accessible directly by default
[08:43] <Hobbsee> system settings does have it's good points, but it still needs work
[08:43] <Mez> Jucato,  but surely if you type "kcontrol" into katapult, it's no worse than typing "kcontrol" into "Run Program
[08:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yes. but even if it wine is installed, it's not added to System Settings anyway. but still, wineconfig is in kde-guidance, whether or not wine is installed
[08:44] <Jucato> Mez: true. probably in Katapult only, not in K Menu... although that would be strange.hehehe
[08:44] <Hobbsee> Jucato: where's wineconfig in kde-guidance?  ohhh, right
[08:44] <Hobbsee> i get you
[08:44] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:45] <Mez> Jucato, yes, but thats what I've done (added a manual entry to the program catalog from within katapult)_
[08:45] <Jucato> :)
[08:45] <Jucato> Mez: will Katapult be able to recursively search within /home directories in the future?
[08:46] <Mez> Jucato, it... osrt of ... can
[08:46] <Mez> you can at least go down direcrtories
[08:47] <Mez> so if you wanna access ~/cheese/stilton/old
[08:47] <Mez> then you type cheese / stilton / old
[08:47] <Mez> and it works
[08:47] <Jucato> aah
[08:47] <Jucato> it's a lot of work,though
[08:48] <Mez> Jucato, feel free to write a kio_locate plugin ;)
[08:48] <Mez> hmm
[08:48] <Jucato> nixternal also has a workaround for adding apps to Katapult without adding them to the kmenu. put symlinks to the apps in /home O_o
[08:49] <Mez> lol @ that
[08:51] <Jucato> Mez: so the Document plugin for Katapult relies on kio_locate?
[08:51] <Mez> Jucato, lol .. no
[08:51] <Mez> go look at the code
[08:51] <Jucato> ah ok. :)
[08:53] <Jucato> er.. gtg... I'll put that on my personal todo. hehehe
[09:05] <Hobbsee> StevenK: you're coming over to the light.  welcome :P
[09:05] <StevenK> Hah. You wish. :-P
[09:06] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:07] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Meh, what do I care, it's just hard drive space?
[09:08] <Hobbsee> point
[09:09] <Mez> anyone know how to compile a KDE app with debug symbols?
[09:09] <Riddell> --enable-debug=full
[09:09] <StevenK> Riddell: You wanted to see me here? :-)
[09:10] <Jucato> moin Riddell
[09:10] <Mez> Riddell, last time I tried that it gave me soo boohickey when I ran it through gdb saying something like "you passed this argument - were not going ot output debubg info bacause of this"
[09:10] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell
[09:11] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yes, you're to fix the rest of kde now.  thanks!
[09:11] <Jucato> heheh :)
[09:11] <Mez> StevenK, - you might need this - http://bugs.kde.org/
[09:12] <Riddell> hi StevenK!
[09:12] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Hah
[09:12] <Hobbsee> StevenK: you know you want to.
[09:12] <Riddell> StevenK: it was just about your patch to wlassistant, but I worked out my question so I've passed it for review to ubuntu-sru
[09:13] <StevenK> Out of interest, what was the question?
[09:14] <Riddell> I wondered if dhclient was translated, which would mean the if statement wouldn't match on the stderr message
[09:14] <Riddell> but it's not
[09:14] <StevenK> Oh geez, I never even thought of that.
[09:15] <Riddell> well, you didn't have to :)
[09:16] <Riddell> win 11
[09:17] <Riddell> hmm, time to sleep
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you've thrown another all nighter?
[09:18] <Riddell> I went out to the cinema, and now it's midnight so time for bed
[09:18] <imbrandon> heh gnight Riddell
[09:18] <imbrandon> time for bed for me also
[09:19] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[09:19] <Mez> o_O
[09:20] <Mez> you learn something new every day
[09:20] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, you're not back in london yet
[09:20] <Mez> katapult doesnt exit on exit
[09:20] <Mez> it crashes on exit
[09:20] <Hobbsee> oh yeah - when everyone's bored sometime, check out the package "blast"
[09:20] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:21] <StevenK> Very theraputic.
[09:22] <Mez> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[09:22] <Mez> [Switching to Thread -1239757920 (LWP 29351)]
[09:22] <Mez> 0xb7262df4 in QMutex::lock () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
[09:22] <Mez> ARGH!
[09:23] <StevenK> Neat. Isn't that stack corruption?
[09:23] <Mez> StevenK, wouldnt know :D
[09:23] <imbrandon> StevenK, looks to be
[09:23] <Mez> lol -its a bug somewhere in the multithreading
[09:24] <Tonio_> what the f*** !!!!!!!!
[09:24] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org/index.php?2006/10/10/7-kubuntu-voip-solution#co
[09:24] <Tonio_> even on blog comments they are spamming now !
[09:25] <Mez> Tonio_, is that wordpress?
[09:26] <Tonio_> Mez: nope, I use dotclear (very popular french blog php script)
[09:27] <Mez> Tonio_, I believe akismet works with it
[09:27] <Mez> http://akismet.com
[09:27] <Tonio_> Mez: I'll have a look interesting
[09:27] <Tonio_> is that a "website antispam solution" ?
[09:27] <imbrandon> yes
[09:27] <imbrandon> i use it
[09:27] <imbrandon> works pretty well
[09:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: thanks :)
[09:28] <Tonio_> Mez: you're right, it is also dotclear compatible, great ;)
[09:28] <Mez> Tonio_, works uber well
[09:28] <Mez> I've had about 5 comments it hasnt caughht
[09:28] <Mez> in qa year
[09:29] <Tonio_> interesting indeed
[09:29] <Tonio_> I am used to do my own scripts except on my blog so I never got that kind of issues, but of course with public scripts, that can happen
[09:32] <Mez> hmmm
[09:32] <Mez> The program catalog is making katapult crash
[11:07] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[11:09] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[11:42] <Jucato> great, another one of those sites... http://ubuntu.lnix.net/
[11:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what's that for?
[11:51] <Jucato> Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/ <--- fixes a bug in Kopete (supposedly)
[11:51] <Jucato> kde bug 136566
[11:51] <Hobbsee> Jucato: that guy's on our channel
[11:51] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136566 in general "Connecting to ICQ doesn't work anymore" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136566
[11:51] <Jucato> ooh? who?
[11:51] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i think
[11:52] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ok. I'll investigate...
[11:52] <Hobbsee> that upgrader script doesnt look too bad
[11:53] <Hobbsee> apt-get -y dist-upgrade is kinda scary, but it needs to be there
[11:53] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised they dont force k-d at the end, too
[11:53] <Hobbsee> or maybe they do
[11:54] <Jucato> hm... just curious. is there a sort of plan to release some upgrades for kde soon? some (maybe a lot) of bugs have been fixed recently. (like the korgac bug)
[11:54] <Hobbsee> i think they were talking about a kde 3.5.6?
[11:55] <Jucato> I think Riddell mentioned 3.5.6 hasn't even been planned yet?
[11:55] <Hobbsee> true
[11:56] <Jucato> nah nvm. just wondering a lot about the -update process and bug fixing process..
[11:56] <Jucato> ah yeah, it's fdoving's site alright...
[11:59] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i think part of the reasons that updates arent going thru too quickly is the whole SRU thing - stuff getting mroe tested first, and tehy're still figuring out what's happening
[12:00] <Jucato> mroe tested?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> more tested, yes
[12:03] <Jucato> ah...
[12:05] <Jucato> I wonder if ICQ not working at all, or focus follows/under mouse not working properly, or the korgac system tray icon not working is worthy of SRU...
[12:06] <Jucato> oh well... maybe I'll bother with these things some other time in the future. thanks for pointing me in the right direction (SRU stuff)
[03:40] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:15] <mhb> fdoving: have your kopete fixes been distributed as updates?
[04:42] <jdong> are there still free smoothies in the googleplex? :D
[05:24] <jatos> hi
[05:39] <DaSkreech> hell
[05:40] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: no, wrong place
[05:40] <DaSkreech> O
[05:54] <Riddell> bah, evil kdelibs not compling
[05:59] <DaSkreech> try the good ones?
[06:00] <DaSkreech> Of  course all the good ones are taken :-(
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I widelly tested codeine today and it still have some issues to be used by default...
[06:08] <DaSkreech> restwix: Hello
[06:10] <restwix> DaSkreech: what up?
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Found your way :)
[06:10] <DaSkreech> How's the page helping out?
[06:10] <restwix> Yep
[06:10] <restwix> well right now I'm looking some stuff in the website
[06:11] <restwix> trying to get my arround on what is going on and so
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Well the best place is to figure out what skills you can offer
[06:12] <bddebian> What if I don't have any? :-)
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Then just deride other Oses
[06:12] <bddebian> hehe
[06:13] <restwix> I wan't to see if I can find something that I can help, and then I will see if I'm able to help or not.
[06:14] <DaSkreech> restwix: That's another good way. Find something you are insterested in then offer up time
[06:14] <restwix> DaSkreech: That's true...
[06:17] <MidMark> where can I find Martin Pitt? Is it in irc usually?
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Google?
[06:19] <bddebian> MidMark: pitti
[06:20] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'm ordering right now
[06:20] <MidMark> thx he's online!
[06:21] <DaSkreech> restwix: When You get an idea of what you want just holler in here
[06:21] <MidMark> anyone is having problem with mounting dvd? I have asked a lot of time but none has answered me...
[06:21] <MidMark> if I mount dvd with one session closed and disc still open I cannot read it
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Edgy?
[06:22] <MidMark> DaSkreech: yes
[06:23] <MidMark> known?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> HI mez
[06:38] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[06:39] <imbrandon> Tonio_, pong
[07:02] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping
[07:34] <Mez> fdoving ping
[07:35] <Mez> fdoving unping
[07:35] <Riddell> hi imbrandon
[07:36] <imbrandon> heya Riddell, are all the kdebaseish stuff updated? i have a few kde type apps to upload
[07:36] <imbrandon> but you said wait a bit
[07:36] <imbrandon> :)
[07:37] <Riddell> no, kdelibs failed, still working out why
[07:37] <imbrandon> ok no worries
[07:37] <imbrandon> i still have to wait for keybuk or someone to manualy promote libmtp
[07:37] <imbrandon> can you poke him IRL if you see him, i left a ping for him in -devel
[07:38] <Mez> Riddell, have you any idea about what the hold up on approving katapult for an SRU is ?
[07:40] <Riddell> Mez: we're all busy doing this conference thing
[07:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you resolv the libqt thing ? I can try to work on that toonight if you want
[07:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the kdelibs packages did you use the ones I already uploaded to feisty (including the media simplification patches)
[07:53] <NiteFears> hey
[07:54] <Tm_T> Hi.
[07:54] <NiteFears> kopete's icq is broken for more than 2 weeks already. they have a patch, but it didn't make it into ubuntu repositories. what's up with that?
[07:55] <imbrandon> NiteFears, first of all which kubuntu version ? and it takes a process to go through the SRU updates
[07:56] <NiteFears> imbrandon: I'm using ubuntu edgy, actually, so running kopete from gnome
[07:56] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:56] <DaSkreech> 64bit?
[07:56] <NiteFears> imbrandon: the kopete guys did release a .deb, but not for x64 architecture
[07:56] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: Hrr.
[07:56] <NiteFears> DaSkreech :P
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[07:56] <imbrandon> ok, it should be in SRU shortly
[07:57] <imbrandon> shortly != today
[07:57] <imbrandon> NiteFears, and we cant rely on thier debs as we're not certain how they are made or what they are compiled against
[07:58] <imbrandon> :)
[07:58] <NiteFears> imbrandon: that's your business, I just explained, why the existing solutions don't work for me
[07:58] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Would the debs at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/ be sufficent?
[07:59] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, depends, most likely not unless its exactly the version thats currently in edgy with only that icq patch
[07:59] <imbrandon> witch is unlikely
[07:59] <imbrandon> SRU updates are minimal
[08:04] <imbrandon> NiteFears, afaik there is an update in -proposed also
[08:04] <imbrandon> i think i uploaded it last week
[08:05] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: 64Bit as well I assume?
[08:05] <NiteFears> imbrandon: sorry, no idea what you are talking about
[08:05] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, it would have been built for all arches
[08:05] <imbrandon> NiteFears, edgy-proposed are where SRU updates are tested before they are released to a stable release
[08:06] <imbrandon> as it requires much more testing
[08:06] <NiteFears> imbrandon: does it mean there's a build package over there and I can download it?
[08:06] <NiteFears> s/build/built
[08:07] <DaSkreech> Yes
[08:07] <imbrandon> should be , let me check to make sure it actualy made it to -proposed
[08:07] <NiteFears> please do, the direct link would be great
[08:08] <imbrandon> whats the version you have installed ?
[08:08] <imbrandon> "dpkg -l|grep ii|grep kopete"
[08:08] <NiteFears> imbrandon: 0.12.3
[08:08] <NiteFears> ii  kopete                                       3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1    instant messenger for KDE
[08:08] <imbrandon> k one sec
[08:09] <imbrandon> nope its not built yet
[08:09] <imbrandon> i'll try to get to that later this afternoon for you
[08:09] <NiteFears> thanks a lot
[08:09] <Tm_T> imbrandon: Yay!
[08:10] <NiteFears> imbrandon: would you give me a link where the packages will magically appear?
[08:10] <NiteFears> so that I can check for them today or tomorrow
[08:10] <imbrandon> if you have edgy-proposed in your sources.list OR http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kopete/
[08:10] <imbrandon> check tomarrow, it will take a while on the buildd's etc
[08:11] <NiteFears> imbrandon: thanks a lot!
[08:11] <imbrandon> if you manualy get the deb be carefull, as you can mess it up getting the wrong deb
[08:11] <imbrandon> from the pool
[08:11] <imbrandon> very very very easy
[08:12] <DaSkreech> I think you missed a very
[08:13] <NiteFears> imbrandon: how will the package be called?
[08:13] <NiteFears> nevermind, I'll look at the date
[08:13] <imbrandon> 3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1.1 most likely
[08:14] <NiteFears> ok
[08:14] <imbrandon> depends on hows its done it /could/ be 3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2~edgy1 also
[08:15] <imbrandon> so look for either of those
[08:18] <NiteFears> imbrandon: I will. again, thanks for your time
[08:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: which libqt thing?
[08:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes I used the existing feisty pacakges
[08:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[08:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: the libqt build problem
[08:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't remember the exact package name
[08:26] <Riddell> one of the python-qt's had a build problem
[09:14] <Riddell> kwwii: this is currently on the front page of slashdot http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/14/1714241
[09:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, is the python-qt thing resolved or do you want me to investigate ?
[09:15] <Riddell> go ahead
[09:16] <Riddell> it's listed on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+milestone/later
[09:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: why delete linphone?
[09:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: gtk app
[09:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: if we accept gtk apps, then we can include ekiga and the problem is resolved :)
[09:19] <Tonio_> http://linphone.org/index.php/v2/screenshots
[09:19] <Tonio_> the window manager there is kde but the toolkit is gtk2, unfortunately :)
[09:20] <Riddell> curious, I thought they usually did stuff in qt
[09:21] <Riddell> is it just a fork of ekiga I wonder?
[09:21] <Tonio_> nope is it a sip solution from scratch afaik
[09:22] <fdoving> mhb: well.. no idea. It got approved and uploaded to -proposed shortly before UDS, upstream changed the fix, waiting for approval of new patch, hasn't been easy to get in touch with mdz or cjwatson lately.
[09:28] <Tonio_> okay let's go on the multimedia simplification thing
[09:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: it looks like a lot of people are affraid to simplify kaffeine...
[09:29] <Tonio_> codeine cannot be shiped by default since it has issues dealing with contrast and crashes konqueror too
[09:29] <Tonio_> I wonder what to do.... simply patching the mimetypes then to remove kaffeine from audio and that's it ?
[09:29] <Riddell> yep
[09:30] <Tonio_> okay I'll do that as soon as I can upload
[09:30] <nixternal> hola compadres
[09:30] <Tonio_> just let me know when it is possible
[09:30] <Tonio_> hey nixternal :)
[09:31] <Tonio_> I'll get the maximum audio apps (like jabbin) in universe, even if we don't ship with it
[09:34] <Riddell> fdoving: do you know the kde bug number for this?
[09:34] <fdoving> Riddell: hang on.
[09:34] <fdoving> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136566
[09:34] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136566 in general "Connecting to ICQ doesn't work anymore" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[09:35] <Riddell> according to #kopete MSN is broken too
[09:36] <fdoving> mine is not.
[09:36] <fdoving> with that fix, anyway.
[09:37] <fdoving> I can try the repo version.
[09:37] <fdoving> hang on.
[09:37] <Riddell> maybe they mean in an SVN version
[09:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: well msn works at least with the standard 3.5.5 release
[09:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably yes
[09:39] <Tonio_> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y9nxcOj5q-8
[09:39] <Tonio_> so cuuuuuuuuute !
[09:40] <seele> lol
[09:40] <imbrandon> papa tonio
[09:41] <imbrandon> heya seele
[09:41] <Tonio_> look at this little girl ! I am already in love :) hehe
[09:42] <seele> imbrandon: word
[09:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm packaging wengophone to check if the qt4.2 issue is resolved
[09:46] <imbrandon> Tonio_: are their codine packages >
[09:46] <imbrandon> ?
[09:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes the package is done but it has too many issues to be used by default in my opinion
[09:47] <imbrandon> heh everything has issues, its just what is the lesser of the evils, but no i was asking just to try it, not nessesarly default
[09:47] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes but codeine issues are :
[09:48] <Tonio_> no playlist, issues setting contrast correctly on most videos, and crashes konqueror too
[09:48] <imbrandon> no no your mis understanding me, i'm not trying to make it default, i just wanted to try it
[09:48] <imbrandon> :)
[09:49] <fdoving> Riddell: msn works in the kopete-edgy package.
[09:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ah, in that case yes you can install it, I did the package with allee
[09:49] <imbrandon> anyhow, out for lunch, bbiab
[09:49] <imbrandon> kk Tonio_
[09:52] <Tonio_> I can't wait for oskar to be out......
[10:03] <allee> Tonio_: fwiw simple-just-work-apps don't need playlists :)  *hides*
[10:05] <Tonio_> allee: hum, eventually, but concerning the contrast issue, that's very annoying
[10:07] <allee> Tonio_: never noticed such a problem.  But you convienced me last time that kaffein file not also shows a understandable GUI immediately
[10:07] <allee> s/not/
[10:07] <Tonio_> allee: yes the UI is better now
[10:07] <Tonio_> I would just like it to be cleaned of all the audio features in fact
[10:08] <Tonio_> but if we do that........ we'll get burned by the community :)
[10:08] <allee> Tonio_: instead of cleaning jumping to amarok would be even better
[10:08] <Tonio_> the very cool thing is that there is a project to merge several kde3 apps into one good one for kde4
[10:08] <allee> Tonio_: yeah, I read the comments on the wiki
[10:09] <Tonio_> allee: the amarok integration is already done in fact
[10:09] <Tonio_> someone that just clicks to open will have a convenient file associations now
[10:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the integration of dvd rip in K3B, I'll probably not to it since that requires mencoder...
[10:10] <allee> Tonio_: a chaos gain;) soffice was splitted,  and now the merge apps.  IMHO koffice,kontact does it right. You can use in merged view or standalone
[10:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: will not work out of the box...
[10:10] <Tonio_> allee: kpart used by default ?
[10:11] <allee> Tonio_: not sure what kontact uses, but I assime kparts too
[10:12] <Tonio_> well that's not that bad isn't it ?
[10:12] <allee> Tonio_: :)
[10:13] <allee> Tonio_: k3b: when memcoder is _needed_ but not installed, popup a nice dialog that explains why's not there and where to get it
[10:58] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog/   <-- flames coming shortly


[05:08] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar-archive-plugin 0.5.0 released @ http://www.mail-archive.com/xfce-announce@xfce.org/msg00667.html


[02:14] <bluesabre> so much for me getting anything done this week
[02:14] <bluesabre> :D
[02:14] <bluesabre> I'll get some releases and uploads out this weekend
[02:14] <bluesabre> night all
[07:55] <flocculant> something seems awry - create a new document - previously would open in mousepad - now wants to know what to open it with
[08:07] <flocculant> would that be an xdg-utils problem?
[08:08] <flocculant> the old testcases would have had us reporting against thunar
[09:03] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1497170 and bug 1497175 all shiny and new
[09:04] <flocculant> not reported either on bugzilla just yet - make sure they're both thunar bugs before I do that
[09:04] <flocculant> did both (and checked) in clean install to make sure it wasn't just local
[09:05] <flocculant> obviously will report to bugzilla if we need that and link them
[10:34] <flocculant> when is wily getting the wily help files?
[10:34] <flocculant> before they freeze images next week?
[10:34] <knome> hmm?
[10:35] <flocculant> oh - so I guess you thought it had them already :)
[10:35] <knome> what are you referring to with help files?
[10:35] <flocculant> the help in the menu
[10:35] <bluesabre> flocculant: could be xdg-utils or exo
[10:35] <bluesabre> try using xdg-open and exo-open and see what happens with each
[10:36] <flocculant> bluesabre: which is why I didn't bugzilla thunar pointlessly yet :)
[10:36] <knome> flocculant, you are referring to the last change you did?
[10:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: same for both - gives the 'what do you want to open this with?' dialogue
[10:37] <bluesabre> hmmm
[10:37] <flocculant> knome: nope - not that at all, when you open help in wily you still get 15.04 docs
[10:37] <knome> o.O
[10:37] <bluesabre> I think that's xdg then
[10:37] <bluesabre> one moment
[10:38]  * knome llooks
[10:39] <flocculant> xubuntu-docs	15.04.2 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20150918/wily-desktop-amd64.manifest
[10:39] <knome> bluesabre, insight on flocculant's question?
[10:39] <knome> oh right
[10:39] <bluesabre> knome: I keep asking if you need an upload
[10:39] <bluesabre> :D
[10:39] <knome> so we haven't just done an upload for this cycle yet
[10:39] <flocculant> :D
[10:39] <knome> well, i don't think it's a big issue, but sure, you can do one now if it isn't too much work
[10:39] <Unit193> Might have been a good idea before string freeze. ;D
[10:40] <knome> might have been - though i thought we had the string changes covered already
[10:41] <slickymasterWork> me too knome
[10:41] <knome> bluesabre, let's do an upload now then
[10:41] <knome> bluesabre, do you want me to handle the freeze exception paperwork?
[10:41] <slickymasterWork> and morning all
[10:41] <knome> hello slickymasterWork
[10:42] <bluesabre> knome: please do since I'll be out most of the day, but can upload when I get home
[10:42] <knome> oki
[10:42] <knome> thanks
[10:42] <bluesabre> flocculant: if you choose a default, does it remember it?
[10:42] <Unit193> I suppose the  warning: failed to load external entity "C/translator-credits.xml"  is fine?
[10:43] <bluesabre> knome: Unit193 can also upload if you want it earlier in the day
[10:43] <Unit193> >_>
[10:43] <bluesabre> put that xubuntu-uploaders membership to use :D
[10:43] <flocculant> bluesabre: yes it does - though the icon on desktop still seems the be the 'wth is this!' one :)
[10:43] <bluesabre> flocculant: yikes
[10:44] <knome> yess
[10:44] <knome> Unit193, yeah, it's just a warning - it's expected and ok
[10:44] <Unit193> Figured, since C.  Though kind of disagree. :D
[10:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: http://i.imgur.com/aovACvT.png
[10:45] <bluesabre> flocculant: xdg-mime query filetype <filename>
[10:45] <flocculant> properties - kind unknown
[10:46] <flocculant> application/octet-stream
[10:46] <bluesabre> hmm
[10:46] <bluesabre> if you have a pre-wily vm somewhere, can you try the same?
[10:46] <flocculant> almost feel useful today \o/ apart from making work for people lol
[10:46] <knome> lol
[10:47] <flocculant> bluesabre: ooh - might actually be able to do a 'while ago' vm
[10:47] <bluesabre> pretty sure its xdg-utils at fault, just trying to figure out which fix broke it
[10:47] <flocculant> have one with ppa's I don't use much
[10:47] <knome> lunch, bbl
[10:48] <bluesabre> flocculant: if its over a week old, it would probably have the older xdg
[10:48] <flocculant> ok - so in there it works
[10:49] <flocculant> 1.1.0~rc1-2ubuntu11
[10:49] <bluesabre> does the xdg-mime command return something different?
[10:49] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/grsj2OKxSRjQkyMRlINo/ nice...
[10:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: yep text/plain
[10:50] <bluesabre> there we go
[10:50] <flocculant> so change that bug to xdg-utils ?
[10:50] <bluesabre> yup
[10:50] <bluesabre> and add a note about that
[10:51] <flocculant> ok
[10:51] <Unit193> !info xdg-utils unstable
[10:51] <Unit193> !info xdg-utils wily
[10:51] <bluesabre> thanks flocculant!
[10:51] <flocculant> welcome
[10:51] <flocculant> though that was just one of them :(
[10:52] <flocculant> the thunar one is the same in the oldish vm
[10:53] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok 0 changed that one and commented
[10:55] <flocculant> bluesabre: so - boot ubuntu vm - try and restore from trash - same problem :)
[10:56] <flocculant> so that's not thunar either \o/
[10:56] <bluesabre> nice
[10:56] <bluesabre> so thats likely gvfs
[10:56] <Unit193> gvfs! \o/
[11:00] <bluesabre> knome: want to ack https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1497228 before I nudge -release
[11:02] <flocculant> mmm so installing restore-trash and using that from cli works ok
[11:02] <flocculant> bluesabre: shall I just move that bug from thunar to gvfs and let someone work out where it should be?
[11:02] <flocculant> someone else ...
[11:03] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, that will get some eyes on it
[11:03] <flocculant> yep - I'll whack it on the tracker too - for ubuntu and us :)
[11:03] <bluesabre> :D
[11:04] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'll see about adding a patched xdg-utils to -staging this weekend to see if that takes care of things
[11:04] <flocculant> ok
[11:10] <flocculant> nice - so both not us :)
[11:10] <flocculant> unfortunately I can't make me read 15.10 for the help files :D
[11:18] <knome> bluesabre, i wonder what kind of ack you want
[11:18] <bluesabre> knome: you're in docs, right?
[11:18] <knome> bluesabre, also, if you didn't look at -release, you got the ack to upload docs now
[11:18] <knome> oh right
[11:19] <knome> done :P
[11:19] <bluesabre> thanks
[11:19] <bluesabre> now to remember how to upload docs
[11:19] <knome> haha :P
[11:19] <bluesabre> :p
[11:20] <bluesabre> 3-4 times a year :D
[11:21]  * Unit193 wonders what's hard about uploading docs.
[11:21] <bluesabre> nothing
[11:21]  * knome shrugs
[11:21] <bluesabre> being silly
[11:21] <knome> ;)
[11:22] <Unit193> They even remembered to keep the changelog short or wrap it. :D
[11:22] <Unit193> (Or I already fixed, either way.  I may have poked..)
[11:23] <knome> slickymasterWork, ping?
[11:24] <bluesabre> :D
[11:24] <bluesabre> running a test build, then will upload
[11:24] <slickymasterWork> pong knome
[11:26] <knome> slickymasterWork, want to draft a mail for the ubuntu-translators list with me?
[11:26] <knome> about the xubuntu docs
[11:26] <slickymasterWork> sure, but I was about to go lunch
[11:26] <slickymasterWork> can we do it after?
[11:26] <knome> ok, let's do it after that
[11:27] <knome> yep
[11:27] <slickymasterWork> great, I'll ping you when I arrive
[11:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: bzr tag 15.10.0 ? :D
[11:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'll let knome do that, I'm not in the documentation team
[11:28] <slickymasterWork> I see you already ack https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1497228 knome, so there's no need for me to put my hat on
[11:28] <knome> slickymasterWork, yep
[11:28] <Unit193> bluesabre: I am, but wrong docs team.  I still get some of the crappy Ubuntu bug mail, but no push rights. :D
[11:28] <bluesabre> :D
[11:28] <bluesabre> that might be my situation as well
[11:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: sorry - I forgot to add that mime stuff to there ...
[11:30] <Unit193> Also, new Core uploads.
[11:31] <bluesabre> flocculant: np
[11:31] <bluesabre> knome: docs uploaded
[11:32] <knome> bluesabre, cheers :)
[11:32] <flocculant> Unit193: are we actually likely to see core on cdimage this cycle ?
[11:32] <flocculant> if not I'll move that to postponed ;)
[11:32] <Unit193> flocculant: At the rate of the MP review?  Sure!  If you mean the XXX cycle...
[11:32] <bluesabre> :D
[11:32] <flocculant> :D
[11:36]  * bluesabre gets ready for work
[11:36] <bluesabre> bbl, hf all
[11:37] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/15.10.0
[11:37] <flocculant> cya bluesabre
[11:50] <knome> slickymasterWork, http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-documentation-translations
[12:51] <jjfrv8> flocculant, good catches on those two bugs! I confirmed them both.
[12:52] <jjfrv8> Interesting thing was that I had a couple of files in Trash from a few days ago and they restored, but newly deleted ones don't.
[14:32] <slickymasterWork> and I'm in knome
[14:32]  * slickymasterWork haves a read of what's already drafted in the pad
[14:33] <Unit193> Commas, commas.
[14:40] <slickymasterWork> lol knome 'noboby'
[14:40] <slickymasterWork> ok corrected that typo and add a paragraph to it
[15:33] <flocculant> bluesabre: see jjfrv8's comment ^^
[15:33] <flocculant> might help narrow that down
[19:45] <ochosi> evening
[20:07] <knome> hullo
[21:38] <ochosi> anything important i missed lately?
[21:41] <knome> don't think so
[21:43] <Unit193> ochosi: knome tried to take over again.
[21:43] <knome> of course.
[21:53] <ochosi> Unit193: good good, that's the *plan* ;)
[21:54] <Unit193> Hrm, what're the terms on leadership positions again?
[21:56] <knome> what terms?
[21:56] <knome> if you are referring to the debian liaison position, the terms are that you are a slave for the project and website leads.
[21:56] <knome> you mean term length?
[21:58] <Unit193> XPL one is pretty clear, didn't remember the lengths for the others.
[21:58] <Unit193> Also, not website, XTL.
[21:58] <knome> the others are basically "as long as you are interested in doing it"
[21:59] <knome> or practically, until there is several people who want to be it
[21:59] <knome> but there is no set procedure for that
[21:59] <Unit193> Eg, never. :P
[21:59] <knome> i would imagine in that case we'd just put up a poll.
[22:00] <knome> who knows, but so far it hasn't been a very realistic scenario
[22:00] <knome> also, if somebody is doing something well, there's little need to replace them
[22:00] <knome> if they aren't doing it well, or are willing to part with it, it's easy to bump
[22:00] <knome> like me becoming the website lead and taking that hat from pleia2
[22:00] <ochosi> yup, that'd have been my policy too
[22:01] <ochosi> do-o-cracy
[22:01] <knome> this isn't really something where newbies get involved
[22:01] <ochosi> anyhow, off for tonight. night all!
[22:02] <slickymaster> have a good one ochosi
[22:02] <knome> nighty simon
[22:04] <slickymaster> btw knome, did you saw my ping regarding the pad?
[22:10] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta1/ → Broken link, common infra.
[22:11] <knome> slickymaster, i don't see an added paragraph?
[22:11] <knome> or do we simply have the same color?
[22:11] <knome> right
[22:11] <knome> sneaky!
[22:12] <slickymaster> not my fault
[22:12] <knome> hah
[22:12] <knome> you can change the color, you know?
[22:13] <slickymaster> yeah. but I didn't think it was so important
[22:13] <knome> heh, not really
[22:13] <knome> but it's hard to follow your changes if you have the same color
[22:13] <knome> so i'd say it's best to make sure you don't
[22:14] <knome> for example, if you weren't around now and i opened the pad with a different computer, i would have no way to notice the difference between my own and your edits
[22:14] <slickymaster> it's the seconf to last paragraph
[22:14] <slickymaster> * second
[22:15] <knome> i know
[22:15] <knome> i changed my own color
[22:15] <knome> because i am on the same computer, i can do that
[22:15] <knome> but yeah, it looks good to me
[22:16] <slickymaster> ok, I'll send it then
[22:16] <knome> ok
[22:16] <knome> please remember to change the XXX's this time
[22:16] <knome> okay?
[22:17] <slickymaster> damn, you have a memory like an elefant (and my ex) :P
[22:17] <knome> are you saying your ex is (like) an elefant?
[22:17] <knome> oh boy
[22:17] <knome> no wonder she's your ex
[22:17]  * knome hides
[22:17] <slickymaster> no, quite the opposite
[22:19] <Unit193> ...You're an elefant?
[22:20] <slickymaster> I've been called worst
[22:20] <knome> slickymaster, blue whale?
[22:21] <slickymaster> will that make you my Ahab?
[22:21] <knome> who knows
[22:22] <slickymaster> :P
[22:27] <slickymaster> knome, it doesn't make much sense saying "We also recommend everyone to join the Ubuntu-translators mailing list [2] to keep up with notifications about important translation template updates and to stay in touch with other Ubuntu translators.
[22:28] <knome> okay
[22:28] <slickymaster> when we're email said list
[22:28] <knome> true
[22:28] <knome> it was you who added that though.
[22:29] <slickymaster> yeah, but then I noticed that it's meant for their m/l
[22:29] <knome> ;)=
[22:29] <slickymaster> at the time I was convinced that we were drafting something for our media channels
[22:30]  * knome facepalms
[22:30] <knome> well,
[22:30] <knome> we can craft something for them as well
[22:31] <slickymaster> we've already have been doing that since the beginning of cycle
[22:31] <slickymaster> the translators calls in -devel m/l
[22:32] <knome> i know


[07:54] <mup> Bug #2012596 opened: MAAS 3.2 deb package memory leak after upgrading <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012596>
[09:32] <mup> Bug #1910812 changed: MAAS CLI should not require mac when creating virsh hosts <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1910812>
[09:32] <mup> Bug #1923112 changed: Adapt Ceph Methodology to Support OS FDE with MaaS <encryption> <regolatory-compliance> <security> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1923112>
[09:32] <mup> Bug #1927129 changed: Commissioning data is not re-read when MAAS is upgraded to a later version. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1927129>
[09:38] <mup> Bug #1910812 opened: MAAS CLI should not require mac when creating virsh hosts <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1910812>
[09:38] <mup> Bug #1923112 opened: Adapt Ceph Methodology to Support OS FDE with MaaS <encryption> <regolatory-compliance> <security> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1923112>
[09:38] <mup> Bug #1927129 opened: Commissioning data is not re-read when MAAS is upgraded to a later version. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1927129>
[09:41] <mup> Bug # changed: 1910812, 1923112, 1927129, 1928870
[09:53] <mup> Bug #1928870 opened: Curtin creates filesystems with incorrect flags for some distributions <curtin:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1928870>
[10:02] <mup> Bug # changed: 1817615, 1831134, 1839430, 1928870
[12:44] <mup> Bug #2012624 opened: additional gateways use wrong source value  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012624>
[12:53] <mup> Bug #2012624 changed: additional gateways use wrong source value  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012624>
[12:59] <mup> Bug #2012624 opened: additional gateways use wrong source value  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012624>
[12:59] <mup> Bug #2012627 opened: Impossible to provide keyring file via UI when using custom image source <MAAS:Triaged by igor-brovtsin> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012627>
[13:08] <mup> Bug #2012627 changed: Impossible to provide keyring file via UI when using custom image source <MAAS:Triaged by igor-brovtsin> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012627>
[13:11] <mup> Bug #2012627 opened: Impossible to provide keyring file via UI when using custom image source <MAAS:Triaged by igor-brovtsin> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012627>
[22:05] <mup> Bug #2012596 opened: MAAS 3.2 deb package memory leak after upgrading <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012596>
[22:07] <mup> Bug #2012596 changed: MAAS 3.2 deb package memory leak after upgrading <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2012596>


[06:40] <surajgillespie> hi, I'm trying to set up the sugar development environment. I've cloned sugar-build, but when i try to "make build" i get the error: Package python-2.7 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `python-2.7.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'python-2.7' found


[10:37] <TJ-> Is it possible to modify kernel config to support Bug #1838844
[10:56] <apw> TJ-, all things are possible with sufficient motivation
[10:57] <apw> sforshee, ^
[10:58] <TJ-> apw: pretty please :D
[10:58]  * TJ- hands out sweets
[11:03] <tjaalton> lotuspsychje: have you tried 5.0.0-24 from bionic-proposed?
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: no
[11:04] <tjaalton> and did you check new bios?
[11:04] <tjaalton> if there is one
[11:05] <tjaalton> because there have been many dell machines with issues that were fixed by new bios
[11:05] <tjaalton> which comes with a new video bios
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: didnt test yet no, but i can confirm we have 3 different clevo's now with the flickering, diff bios versions
[11:06] <tjaalton> any of them with the latest?
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: got one customer comming this afternoon, ill doublecheck
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: and ill try to update mine asap
[11:07] <tjaalton> try -24 first
[11:07] <tjaalton> hmm
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: can you tell me the procedure, enable propose in sources?
[11:09] <tjaalton> yes, and apt update; apt install linux-generic-hwe-18.04
[11:09] <tjaalton> should pull everything
[11:09] <tjaalton> necessary, and not everything from proposed :)
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> installing
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: flickering aswell
[11:14] <tjaalton> ok
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: so, 4.15 works, 4.18 works, 5.3 latest works, 19.10 5.2 works
[11:16] <tjaalton> what, now 5.2 works?
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> i tested a 19.10 live daily
[11:16] <tjaalton> did you install it?
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> not yet
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> but a 19.04 live also flickers so live/real should not matter?
[11:17] <tjaalton> did you boot it with fastboot=0
[11:17] <tjaalton> ?
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> no
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> all iso tests were default
[11:18] <tjaalton> then it's not the same
[11:18] <tjaalton> fastboot is papering over it for the initial startup, suspend/resume should show flickering again
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> i see
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: think im gonna roll back to 4.18 for now, got a mail from my reseller suggesting so and remove 5*
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> he also doesnt think bios updates will fix this issue
[11:31] <tjaalton> so it's not worth it to try?
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> bricking bios will also break the warranty
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: yeah i will try it on my machine, but for customers ill go to 4.18 for now
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> we know its working there right
[11:54] <fling> Is it not possible to get a patch easily?
[11:57] <tjaalton> fling: look at the commits that touch fs/shiftfs.c, and then git format-patch them
[11:57] <tjaalton> it's not a single patch, nine commits in disco kernel
[12:41] <fling> tjaalton: do I need git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-test/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/mainline-crack ?
[12:41] <fling> tjaalton: how deep should I clone it?
[12:42] <fling> the tree is HUGE!
[12:42] <tjaalton> fling: ubuntu kernel
[12:43] <tjaalton> git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/disco or such
[12:44] <fling> I want the patch for 4.19.63 or similar
[12:44] <tjaalton> then do some work
[12:45] <fling> So there is no patch for 4.19.63 right?
[12:45] <fling> What is disco kernel?
[12:45] <tjaalton> 5.0
[12:45] <tjaalton> or pull it from cosmic (4.18)
[12:46] <tjaalton> I don't know what the closest one for 4.19, go search
[12:49] <apw> fling, better to bite the bullet and clone linus' tree, and use that as a reference for all of our trees when you clone them
[12:53] <fling> tjaalton: I can use 5.0
[12:54] <fling> apw: I have no idea how to perform this
[12:57] <apw> fling, mostly people would clone linus tree (git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git) and then when cloning our trees
[12:57] <apw> fling, literally say like git clone --reference linux <ubuntu tree>
[12:57] <apw> so you only once go get the objects in linus' tree and share them
[13:01] <TJ-> I add all the ubuntu repos as remotes
[13:03] <apw> TJ-, also tollerable, i tend to need to work on more than one series at once
[13:03] <TJ-> apw: I thought that would be case, it's wonderful how flexible git is
[13:04] <apw> TJ-, right, that in spades
[13:05] <TJ-> I think I've included most Ubuntu releases, the stable tree, Debian, some nvidia-tegra stuff, raspi, and the entire .git is only 4.1GiB
[13:09] <apw> TJ-, believeabe, and given that is 5 or 6M commits that is pretty amazing
[13:09]  * TJ- nods happily
[13:09] <fling> It takes forever to clone!
[13:09] <fling> Is not there a faster way?
[13:09] <TJ-> fling: depends on the remote server load
[13:09] <apw> fling, the first time, likely yes, one never does it more than once
[13:12] <fling> Is 5.0 in git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/disco ?
[13:12] <fling> Which branch do I need?
[13:19] <apw> fling, which kernel are you runnig on which series
[13:27] <fling> apw: I'm running 4.19 on gentoo
[13:28] <apw> ok now i am confused, why do you want our kernel
[13:28] <fling> I'm trying to get the shiftfs patch.
[13:29] <fling> I need one to be able to use shiftfs.
[13:31] <fling> How to list commits including fs/shiftfs.c ? :P
[13:31] <apw> fling, then yes there are 9ish patches on the master-next branch of the +git/disco which relate to adding shiftfs
[13:31] <apw> git log fs/shiftfs.c
[13:32] <fling> thanks!
[13:38] <fling> How to figure out which version am I getting the patch for?
[13:47] <richi235> fling: try git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-disco.git that should be faster
[13:48] <richi235> for almost every git.launchpad.net repo you can find a kernel.ubuntu.com repo which is a mirror and faster
[13:50] <richi235> browsable at https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/


[00:48] <jamesh> robert_ancell: the appstream-metadata interface has been merged to snapd master, so should be available to test via the edge channel of core soon
[00:49] <robert_ancell> jamesh, nice!
[00:49] <jamesh> robert_ancell: I also posted this proposal about desktop file naming: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/proposal-allow-snaps-to-specify-their-exact-desktop-file-id/12689
[00:50] <jamesh> this is one of the changes we'd need to get desktop notifications working in confinement
[00:50] <jamesh> if they take my suggestion as is, I don't think this would have any impact on snapd-glib or gnome-software
[00:52] <robert_ancell> Shouldn't, we're not making any assumptions of desktop file names.
[00:54] <jamesh> it's not the only thing we'd need to get notifications working.  I also need to get dbus activation sorted, and have xdg-desktop-portal get more metadata about snaps (probably via a hidden "snap" command taking the process ID of the confined app)
[06:51] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:55] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:03] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:33] <jamesh> oSoMoN: did you ever get any feedback from the Chromium folks about the GtkFileChooserNative proposal?
[07:35] <marcustomlinson> morning all
[07:38] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[07:52] <oSoMoN> jamesh, no, I didn't, time to ping them politely about it
[07:52] <oSoMoN> morning marcustomlinson
[08:00] <willcooke> morning all
[08:05] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers and happy friday!
[08:05] <willcooke> \o/
[08:05] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke, seb128
[08:05] <oSoMoN> happy Friday!
[08:05] <seb128> hey willcooke, lut oSoMoN, how are you?
[08:06] <willcooke> doing good
[08:06] <willcooke> got to bed on time, got up late.
[08:06] <willcooke> :)
[08:06] <oSoMoN> it's been a rough night, baby waking up every hour or so, so tired, but otherwise good
[08:06] <willcooke> :(( bad luck oSoMoN
[08:06] <seb128> oSoMoN, :(
[08:07] <seb128> take it easy and hopefully the weekend give you some time to recharge the batteries!
[08:12] <oSoMoN> yeah, and I might take a micro-nap or two during the day to cope :)
[08:12] <seb128> you should do a proper nap if that's needed
[08:15] <seb128> hey clobrano, thx for the yaru update post
[08:15] <seb128> I would have replied and asked some questions but seems I don't have posting right for that section of discourse :-/
[08:16] <seb128> or at least I can't find the reply button so I assume it's lack of permissions
[08:16] <clobrano> hey seb128, oh, maybe better move the post in desktop section
[08:16] <seb128> or I can apply for right to post on theme? or how does that work?
[08:17] <clobrano> seb128: not sure actually, but I believe Desktop section is fine for this communication. Could you try again?
[08:19] <seb128> clobrano, yeah, I've the reply button now, thx!
[08:19] <clobrano> :)
[08:22] <jamesh> the ACLs needed to be updated to let me post to that section of the forums too
[08:22] <jamesh> I wonder if the restrictions are still necessary now that the theme is more mature?
[08:28] <seb128> or if we could let the desktop group (we have one?) post there
[08:28] <clobrano> jamesh, seb128: indeed, all the desktop team should be automatically allowed to write there
[08:28]  * willcooke looks
[08:29] <willcooke> seb128, clobrano jamesh - I've updated the perms so that desktop can write
[08:29] <willcooke> (I think)
[08:29] <clobrano> thanks willcooke
[08:30] <seb128> doesn't seem to work (or I'm looking at the wrong place)
[08:30] <seb128> I picked https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/gnome-snaps-in-19-04/10391/9 as a random example and I can't reply/comment on that one
[08:32] <jamesh> and my first reply in that thread starts with "sorry for the delay – I didn’t have posting privileges for this part of the site before"
[08:33] <willcooke> seb128, jamesh - huh, it didnt save my changes it seems
[08:33] <willcooke> grr, this UI is confusing
[08:33] <willcooke> ok, try now seb128 jamesh
[08:33] <jamesh> (I already had access to that thread from back in April)
[08:33] <duflu> Morning willcooke, seb128, clobrano
[08:34] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[08:34] <seb128> willcooke, works now!
[08:34] <seb128> thx
[08:34] <willcooke> afternoon duflu - nice work on the memory leak, thanks!
[08:34] <willcooke> seb128, woo!
[08:34] <clobrano> hey duflu
[08:34] <duflu> seb128, going ok. You?
[08:34] <duflu> willcooke, thanks though I'm still hunting
[08:35] <duflu> There's so much noise though, it's incredibly frustrating
[08:35] <duflu> You can only really find large leaks
[08:35] <seb128> duflu, I'm good thanks
[08:35] <seb128> duflu, what code are you poking at?
[08:36] <Trevinho> morning folks
[08:38] <duflu> seb128, desktop-icons
[08:38] <duflu> Morning Trevinho
[08:38] <seb128> duflu, ah ok
[08:38] <seb128> Trevinho, hey!
[08:40] <duflu> As far as I can tell, destructors don't exist. You just have to listen for relevant glib signals and unlink the object graph at the right time, and hope GC notices
[08:41] <Trevinho> hi seb128 and duflu
[08:46] <seb128> Trevinho, how are you? where are you now? back in Italy?
[09:04] <clobrano> hi Trevinho :)
[09:13] <seb128> clobrano, thx for the reply, you didn't say if that was targetting Eoan though?
[09:14] <clobrano> seb128: oops, I'll update the comment. Yes the first target we're aiming for is eoan, if still on time
[09:14] <seb128> excellent, thx
[09:24] <seb128> clobrano, thx for the screenshots, things looke good. I was a bit concerned that getting closer from Adwaita would mean loosing some of the niceties we have (like reduced spacingà but seems not so I'm happy :)
[09:25] <seb128> clobrano, Didier is on holidays for the next 2 weeks, he's usually the one who handle the landing to Ubuntu right?
[09:25] <clobrano> seb128: :D thanks a lot, keeping the ~same look&feel was the main target
[09:31] <clobrano> yes, Didier usually was in charge (and maybe Laney? But I might be wrong)
[09:32] <seb128> k, well Laney is back next week
[09:32] <seb128> and we still have time before UIF
[09:32] <seb128> let's see our options when you guys feel confident you are ready for an eoan upload
[09:33] <clobrano> seb128: the communitheme PPA does not have a release file for disco and I'm not (yet) familiar enough on ppa to update it (and probably I don't have permissions for doing it)
[09:33] <clobrano> seb128: sure, we are already installing eoan's vm to test it
[09:34] <seb128> clobrano, I don't think there is anything to do on the ppa config side, you just need to upload something with 'disco' as a target in the changelog if you want a disco build/index
[09:35] <clobrano> ah, I see


[14:06] <PT_> what version of gnome is ubuntu-gnome using now?
[14:08] <lindol> i am using 14.04
[14:08] <lindol> ah..
[14:08] <lindol> sorry,
[14:08] <lindol> 3.10.04
[14:09] <lindol> ;)
[14:09] <lindol> he is left ;)
[14:27] <olso> hi, can you guys share any workflow tips / extensions for 14.04? :)
[23:49] <eurythmia> hey folks ... I want to reverse the button mapping on my trackpad. The setting to switch buttons through the UI has no effect. "xinout --get-button-map <device>" lists 12 buttons, but there are no descriptions, so I'm not sure which ones to switch using "--set-button-map". Any ideas?
[23:50] <eurythmia> s/xinout/xinput/