[00:00] <seek_therapy> this is way off topic ...but would you happen to know of a good iso burner
[00:01] <Hobbsee> brasero works nicely, as does the kde one
[00:02] <Xteven> k3b
[00:02] <Xteven> thats the kde one that you mean probably
[00:06] <Hobbsee> ah, yes, that's it
[00:13] <seek_therapy> welp gonna go and try and fic
[00:13] <seek_therapy> fix
[01:42] <soc> hi
[01:43] <soc> i'm working on that problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/157398
[01:43] <soc> i already asked on #ubuntu-bugs ... but it seems no one has time atm ...
[01:44] <soc> i'm already debugging the problem
[01:44] <soc> but from my pov the code looks correct
[01:45] <soc> so i'm not really sure, what the problem could be ...
[04:29] <TheMuso> ./c
[04:38] <TheMuso> bryce_: Re bug 210865 and all the other relevant bugs you triaged, we need to make sure all affected users have the same codecs. I'll go through those bugs in the coming days and check that.
[06:09] <NCommander> hey StevenK
[06:09]  * StevenK waves
[06:30] <dholbach> good morning and happy new year!
[06:32] <pitti> Good morning everyone, happy new year!
[06:32] <pitti> hey dholbach
[06:32] <dholbach> hi pitti
[06:33] <Hobbsee> hey there pitti!
[06:36] <ion_> Hi all
[07:47] <agent47a> when i run debuild, i get a signing error.  gpg: can't open `/home/me/.gnupg/secring.gpg' ...  any tips?
[07:48] <ebroder> debuild -us -uc
[07:48] <Hobbsee> it has the wrong owner?
[07:49] <pitti> agent47a: presumably you did not create a GPG key; you probably want what eborder said
[07:49] <ebroder> Also, the error is harmless so long as you're not actually trying to create signed packages
[07:49] <agent47a> pitti: thanks!
[07:49] <agent47a> i'm a noob as you guessed correctly.
[08:20] <Chipzz> agent47a: also: #ubuntu-motu for these questions please
[08:21] <agent47a> Chipzz: okay
[10:12] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[10:12] <pitti> hey tkamppeter, happy new year!
[10:12] <tkamppeter> pitti, thanks, also a happy 2009
[10:14] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have a problem with merging ghostscript from Debian. MoM has prepared the merge: http://merges.ubuntu.com/g/ghostscript/ and the problem is that our ghostscript_8.63.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz differs from the Debian one. Seems that the Debian maintainer has done another selection of non-free stuff to exclude than me.
[10:15] <pitti> tkamppeter: if you and Debian repackaged the upstream tarball, they will always differ, at least in the date in the gzip header
[10:15] <pitti> tkamppeter: so you should use Ubuntu's orig.tar.gz for the merging
[10:16] <tkamppeter> pitti, the two files differ by 2MB (around 20 %) in size.
[10:17] <tkamppeter> pitti, I suggest that if they are really different by content that the Debian maintainer should re-upload into Debian with version number 8.63.dfsg.2 (as my .orig.tar.gz is the older one) and after that I merge.
[10:19] <tkamppeter> pitti, another possibility is to wait one month (until 1st of Feb) as then GS 8.64 gets released. Then I make a .orig.tar.gz which meets the needs of both Debian and Ubuntu and this one will be the next Ubuntu upload of ghostscript.
[10:21] <dholbach> seb128: I sponsored a few desktop items
[10:21] <seb128> dholbach: thanks
[10:21] <dholbach> there are still a few around
[10:21] <dholbach> I'll do some more tomorrow
[10:21] <seb128> dholbach: I didn't work during holidays and it'll take me a while to read all mails etc today
[10:22] <dholbach> seb128: same here :)
[10:24] <pitti> tkamppeter: best is probably to discuss this with the Debian maintainer, to find an approach which allows us to both share an orig.tar.gz
[10:24] <pitti> tkamppeter: but as long as the current one works for us, you can continue to use it for the merging
[10:24] <pitti> tkamppeter: it's only really a problem once we want to sync (which isn't possible with differing orig.tar.gz)
[10:38] <james_w> if an init script implements restart with "start-stop-daemon" --stop then --start
[10:38] <james_w> then it seems like --oknodo should only be on the --stop invocation, correct?
[10:57] <tkamppeter> pitti, Debian has also removed the Resource/Font/ directory due to a "minor licensing problem" (which I have also resolved with the GS guys). So I will use our .orig.tar.gz.
[11:01]  * cjwatson arranges for armel to be taken into account by http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt; hopefully it won't explode ...
[11:03]  * directhex explodes
[11:03] <cjwatson> mvo: OK if I remove the app-install-data-commercial *source* from jaunty? seems to be superseded by -partner. You might want to reassign bugs across as appropriate?
[11:06] <mvo> cjwatson: yes, thanks
[11:07] <cjwatson> directhex: I assume it's good for libmono-cairo1.0-cil and mono-1.0-runtime to fall out of main; do you know whether mono-dbg is supposed to stay?
[11:07]  * Hobbsee hugs mvo for unattended-upgrades
[11:08] <directhex> cjwatson, yes, they should fall out of main. mono-dbg..... i don't know whether we decided whether we wanted to promote the mono debugger, or demote mono-dbg
[11:08] <cjwatson> they're sort of orthogonal aren't they?
[11:09] <cjwatson> oh, maybe not, just found the seed comment
[11:09] <directhex> what's the seed comment?
[11:09] <cjwatson> I thought we decided that we should promote mono-debugger. Could somebody write a main inclusion report for it?
[11:09] <cjwatson> supported: * Extra-Exclude: mono-dbg # only useful with mono-debugger, currently in universe
[11:10] <directhex> i'll see what i can do
[11:10] <cjwatson> cheers
[11:10] <directhex> mono-debugger has never been included before because it hasn't actually worked for ~4 years :p
[11:15] <directhex> hm, all deps in main. good.
[11:21] <directhex> cjwatson, i think someone once told me all compilers in main are meant to have a debugger. was this imagined?
[11:21] <cjwatson> slangasek: are you expecting to upload the stuff in lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/pam/ubuntu soon? it'd fix a skewed dependency on libdb4.6 on armel
[11:21] <cjwatson> directhex: I said something similar, although I wasn't as explicit. What I said was that, as a general rule, we should be shipping debugging facilities for packages in main where they exist.
[11:25] <cjwatson> doko__: is python2.5's skewed dependency on libdb4.2-dev on non-x86 architectures still necessary? it does funny things to our archive reports, so just wanted to check whether that could be brought back into sync ...
[11:27] <slangasek> cjwatson: had no immediate plans to do so, but it should be in a state permitting it to be uploaded if you're inclined
[11:27] <slangasek> otherwise I'll see about getting to it this week
[11:27] <slangasek> (probably after I merge the pending 1.0.1-5 upload from Debian)
[11:29] <cjwatson> no rush from my part
[11:31] <doko__> cjwatson: hmm, didn't check. but I hope 2.5 will go away soonish, and 2.6 uses 4.7 again
[11:33] <cjwatson> ah right
[11:46] <tjaalton> requestsync isn't working for me on jaunty, says that I should login to lp first which I've done..
[11:46] <Hobbsee> tjaalton: what are you trying to sync?
[11:46] <tjaalton> Hobbsee: x11proto-randr
[11:46] <RainCT_> tjaalton: With which browser did you log in?
[11:46] <tjaalton> RainCT_: ff3.x in jaunty
[11:46] <RainCT_> jpds: ^
[11:47] <tjaalton> .lpcookie.txt is updated
[11:48] <Hobbsee> tjaalton: wfm, it appears
[11:48] <tjaalton> Hobbsee: ok, wonder why it fails here.. I'll try intrepid
[11:49] <Hobbsee> (that was jaunty I tried on)
[11:50] <tjaalton> Hobbsee: oh you filed that one, but the version to be synced is from experimental :)
[11:50] <Hobbsee> tjaalton: oh.  Sorry, i'm not psychic :(
[11:50] <tjaalton> I'll try it first and dupe then
[11:50] <Hobbsee> ok
[11:51] <tjaalton> different error on intrepid
[11:51] <RainCT> Hobbsee: you aren't? o_O
[11:52] <Hobbsee> RainCT: not anymore.  My psychic pony vanished :(
[11:58] <tjaalton> what the hell, it filed the sync request even though it claimed that it failed
[11:59] <slangasek> asac: you've marked bug #308397 as targeted to 8.04.2; are you expecting to have this fix uploaded this week?
[11:59] <Keybuk> dholbach: when is it?
[12:00] <Keybuk> what kind of session would you have in mind?
[12:00] <dholbach> Keybuk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep is the preliminary schedule
[12:01] <dholbach> Keybuk: I was just thinking - there always was a lot of excitement around upstart - I'm sure that a quick overview, how to make use of it, how to get involved hacking on it, etc would interest people
[12:01] <tjaalton> ok, the "wishlist, confirmed" part is what failed I guess
[12:01] <slangasek> asac: (if not, it needs un-milestoned for sure, the last weeks are reserved for cleaning up -proposed and doing ISO vetting, not processing new SRUs)
[12:01] <Keybuk> I'm not really sure that there's anything to tell people though
[12:02] <dholbach> Keybuk: hrm - any other topic you'd like to talk about? :)
[12:02] <Keybuk> I could talk about boot performance?
[12:02] <slangasek> Keybuk: one can probably assume a relatively fresh audience for each UDW
[12:02] <asac> slangasek: didnt know that 8.04.2 was scheduled that soon. but yes, if thats the case i would upload it tomorrow
[12:02] <dholbach> Keybuk: sounds great
[12:02] <slangasek> asac: ok, great :)
[12:03] <dholbach> Keybuk: maybe something about how to measure, how to test so it has a bit of a "hands-on experience"?
[12:03] <asac> slangasek: do you have a query for 8.04.2 milestone so i can clean up other stuff?
[12:03] <dholbach> Keybuk: do you just want to grab a slot?
[12:03] <asac> (and push back to .3)
[12:03] <slangasek> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+bugs?field.milestone=1425
[12:03] <asac> thanks
[12:05] <Hobbsee> interesting.  jaunty doesn't work perfectly.
[12:05] <Hobbsee> redrawing seems to be quite slow, but scrolling isn't.
[12:07] <directhex> cjwatson, how does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportmono-debugger look?
[12:07] <Keybuk> dholbach: indeed
[12:07] <dholbach> Keybuk: rock and roll!
[12:07]  * dholbach hugs Keybuk
[12:07] <Keybuk> dholbach: Thursday 1800?
[12:08] <dholbach> Keybuk: sounds good to me
[12:09] <dholbach> Keybuk: you rock!
[12:15] <cjwatson> directhex: seems to be in basically the right style, though I'm not a MIR approver
[13:10] <gerlumpi_> guten
[13:11] <gerlumpi_> ubuntu leuft nicht auf einem rechner was tun??
[13:11] <pitti> gerlumpi_: hello
[13:11] <Nafallo> !de
[13:11] <pitti> yes :)
[13:12] <gerlumpi_> thanks
[13:25] <jpds> tjaalton: You have to delete ~/.lpcookie.txt and rerun the script.
[13:27] <jpds> tjaalton: Actually, that script should tell you this, it's in the lastest version in the archives..
[13:28] <tjaalton> jpds: doesn't seem to help
[13:29] <tjaalton> oh wait, I'll dist-upgrade first
[13:30] <jpds> tjaalton: Which error do you get?
[13:30] <tjaalton> jpds: the same, "you must log in to lp"
[13:31] <tjaalton> but there's a new u-dev-tools available, I'll try with it next
[13:32] <tjaalton> hmm still the same
[13:32] <jpds> tjaalton: pastebin please?
[13:33] <jpds> tjaalton: I'm off for lunch, but free feel to /msg me all the errors you get and I'll fix them later.
[13:34] <tjaalton> jpds: sure, thanks
[13:37] <slangasek> mvo: bug #189406 is targeted to 8.04.2; do you agree that this should be fixed for hardy, and do you have time this week to upload it?
[13:39] <cjwatson_> pitti: https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=32382 notes that there are lots of files in macaroni:/tmp/ owned by ubuntu-archive; it looks to me as if they're created by ddeb-retriever
[13:39] <cjwatson> pitti: maybe some more bits of temporary-file-cleanup code need to be done in try: finally: ?
[13:41] <arthur_l> join #ubuntu-installer
[13:41] <pitti> cjwatson: I made a TODO item, thanks for pointing out
[13:41] <pitti> cjwatson: either that, or it's spewage from apt-ftparchive
[13:42] <cjwatson> pitti: I haven't seen apt-ftparchive spit out empty files or tarballs before :-)
[13:42] <cjwatson> lots of the files seem to be tarballs containing -dbgsym packages
[13:43] <mvo> slangasek: I'm not sure if we should do it for 8.04.2 - but if we do, I'm happy to do the upload (the patch is small and safe)
[13:44] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, I got it; it's tar_install_pool(), which uses urlretrieve without cleaning up
[13:44] <pitti> cjwatson: I'll add a test for this and fix it, thanks
[13:44] <slangasek> bdmurray: ^^ you appear to have done the targeting of bug #189406 to 8.04.2; care to comment?
[13:45] <cjwatson> pitti: oh yes, so it does. what about the empty files though?
[13:45]  * pitti removes tmp*.tar for now
[13:46] <cjwatson> e.g. -rw------- 1 ubuntu-archive ubuntu-archive         0 Jan  5 11:10 tmpAY2xN1
[13:48] <pitti> cjwatson: I get that when running the test suite as well, so I can track it down locally and add a test plus fix
[13:49] <cjwatson> thanks
[13:56] <davidroderick> every so often my ubuntu hangs the keyboard and the main menu. I can open separate things of toolbar but all I can do is close or minimise the window again.  How can I learn how to do a backtrace or something?  Where to I go to learn what you guys know?
[14:05]  * Keybuk raises an amused eyebrow at Planet Ubuntu ... some people need to stop reading The Sunday Mail
[14:09] <directhex> but they can carry on reading The Mail on Sunday?
[14:10] <directhex> one of the above is some random scottish rag. t'other is britain's second most popular sunday paper!
[14:11] <davidroderick> I think everybody in here is busy working.  Is there a good book somebody could recommend to learn stuff?
[14:11] <pitti> davidroderick: "stuff" is very broad :)
[14:12] <pitti> even in the context of free software development (which I assume you mean)
[14:12] <directhex> the joy of sex is an enduring favourite
[14:12] <cjwatson> pitti: (he gave more detail just further up)
[14:12] <cjwatson> davidroderick: sounds like an X problem; http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X has quite a few resources
[14:12] <pitti> ah, sorry, I just restarted irc client
[14:13] <davidroderick> I have a knowledge of ruby and a little C.
[14:13] <davidroderick> I would like to learn about operating systems
[14:14] <davidroderick> I turned off HAL in order to use NDISwrapper.  Is this the correct approach?
[14:14] <cjwatson> people do pop up from time to time with this kind of question, but there's no easy advice to give because it depends so strongly on your area of interest (which is likely to evolve as you learn more, anyway)
[14:14] <cjwatson> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu has various bits of specific advice; if you want to learn about the fundamentals of Unix, I can recommend pretty much anything by W. Richard Stevens
[14:15] <cjwatson> (specifically "Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment", although it *is* heavyweight (literally))
[14:17] <cjwatson> directhex: mail> "ongoing project to divide all the inanimate objects in the world into ones that either cause or cure cancer" (pp Ben Goldacre)
[14:17] <Keybuk> davidroderick: right, that one
[14:18] <Keybuk> the Sunday version of The Hate Mail
[14:18] <directhex> cjwatson, i wonder which camp people put Mono into.....
[14:19] <Keybuk> s/davidroderick/directhex/
[14:19] <directhex> i thought the general term was "the daily fail", anyway
[14:27] <pitti> ScottK: just took a look at quassel screenshots, looks quite nice; can you split windows horizontally?
[14:28] <pitti> ScottK: that's a killer feature of mine, and so far weechat is the only client which can do that (x-chat can detach windows and you can reorder them side by side, but that's inconvenient)
[14:32] <ScottK> pitti: Here is why mine currently looks like http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/quassel.jpg
[14:33] <ScottK> why/what
[14:33] <ScottK> It's pretty flexible, but I'm not sure exactly what it is you're after.
[14:34] <pitti> ScottK: I want to see two or three channels side by side, below my other windows
[14:34] <pitti> ScottK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/photos/pitti-virtual-desktop.png
[14:34]  * ScottK looks
[14:38] <ScottK> pitti: Not that I can immediately see in the version I have.  I just finished building a git snapshot.  One nice feature I like is the window you see in the top/middle of my setup is a stream of all the channels I have open.
[14:43] <pitti> ScottK: that's quite a nice feature as well
[14:46] <zul> asac: ping
[14:49] <asac> zul: ?
[14:51] <zul> asac: is anyone working on that samba/firefox bug yet? I noticed the patch
[14:54] <asac> zul: not sure ... last merger would be a good candidate to drive this? who was that?
[14:55] <zul> me :0
[14:55] <asac> zul: seems like you ;)
[14:56] <zul> i was thinking for intrepid though
[14:56] <asac> zul: could you verify that it fixes it?
[14:56] <zul> asac: sure
[14:57] <Keybuk> cjwatson: do you think we still need that special ID_TYPE rule?
[14:57] <pitti> Keybuk: working on udev 130? :-)
[14:57] <zul> asac: i was going to stick it in my ppa and get them to test it
[14:58] <cjwatson> Keybuk: I think so, unless the new udev offers something at least as useful?
[14:58] <apachelogger> pitti: I guess implementing split view in quassel shouldn't be much work, doing it properly in general is ;-)
[14:59] <asac> zul: that or if the patch seems safe, verify locally and upload to  -proposed directly
[14:59] <zul> asac: k sounds good to me
[14:59] <asac> zul: we should get it to jaunty asap in any case
[15:00] <zul> asac: samba-3.2.7 has been released im going to sync it from debian when its available
[15:01] <asac> ok
[15:02] <Keybuk> cjwatson: depends, what are you trying to do?
[15:02] <cjwatson> Keybuk: I have a call now, but maybe in the meantime you could dig up the log of the last time I justified this for you? :-)
[15:02] <Keybuk> cjwatson: I can't remember being convinced the last time :p
[15:03] <cjwatson> but it would remind *me*
[15:06] <Keybuk> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/id_type.log
[15:12] <ScottK> pitti: Not currently possible - <EgS> ScottK: something like that is spooking in our minds for quite some time, but that's not an easy task
[15:12] <pitti> ScottK: ah, thanks
[15:12] <ScottK> They need to do some internal rearchitecting to make that work.
[15:13] <cjwatson> ArneGoetje: can we get new -base language packs generated for hardy (for 8.04.2)?
[15:14] <ArneGoetje> cjwatson: sure. Which date would be best?
[15:20] <Keybuk> Oct 23 01:14:12 <Keybuk>	cjwatson: that logic will bite you later, but it's not this bug ;)
[15:20] <Keybuk> Oct 23 01:14:27 <cjwatson>	Keybuk: explain that to me later :)
[15:20] <Keybuk> this is now "later" :)
[15:30] <cjwatson> ArneGoetje: slangasek could confirm, but I think "nowish" would be fine; what's the usual schedule for delta language packs?
[15:31] <cjwatson> Keybuk: ... so please do explain :)
[15:32] <slangasek> ArneGoetje: "nowish" would be best, yes; alternates are currently 11MB oversized going in, so we need to see fairly soon whether the re-basing is sufficient
[15:32] <slangasek> (or if not, how much is left to scrounge)
[15:33] <Keybuk> cjwatson: I'm just trying to hook myself into a state where I can remember what list-devices does
[15:33] <ArneGoetje> slangasek: ok, next one will be ready on wednesday then.
[15:33] <slangasek> cheers
[15:33] <cjwatson> Keybuk: you mean at the interface-contract level?
[15:33] <Keybuk> right
[15:34] <cjwatson> Keybuk: "give me a list of all disk devices", "give me a list of all partitions", "give me a list of all CD devices"
[15:34] <cjwatson> possibly one or two other fiddly bits but ...
[15:34] <Keybuk> though the kinds of interfact contracts that udev makes usually involve someone coming around your house later on to break your legs
[15:35] <cjwatson> Keybuk: well, in this case isn't it you wanting to remove a custom rule we added, rather than udev removing something? :-0
[15:35] <cjwatson> :-)
[15:35] <Keybuk> partially
[15:35] <Keybuk> in fact, I've removed *all* of our rules
[15:35] <cjwatson> obviously I'm happy to change list-devices as needed, but I remember agreeing with you at the time that there might well be other things relying on the same interface
[15:36] <cjwatson> but if there's a new recommended interface then list-devices should use that
[15:36] <Keybuk> those are likely broken by other changes now
[15:36] <cjwatson> is DEVTYPE available in any way?
[15:36] <ArneGoetje> slangasek, cjwatson: full-export request in Rosetta sent.
[15:37] <cjwatson> catting uevent I suppose
[15:37] <Keybuk> cjwatson: I think that everything you need is available now ...
[15:37] <Keybuk> but I'm just checking
[15:37] <cjwatson> I mean is it in the udevdb?
[15:37] <Keybuk> I think so
[15:37] <cjwatson> CDs still seem to have DEVTYPE=disk though
[15:37] <cjwatson> as previously discussed
[15:38] <Keybuk> DEVTYPE=disk, MEDIA=cdrom
[15:38] <cjwatson> aha
[15:38] <Keybuk> though that might be a sysfs attr instead of an env
[15:40] <Keybuk> I'll just upgrade this laptop to jaunty
[15:40] <Keybuk> then install udev 136 on it
[15:40] <Keybuk> then see what happens ;)
[15:40] <cjwatson> Keybuk: ps are git hashes really a good thing to put in version numbers? they won't increment sanely ...?
[15:41] <Keybuk> cjwatson: that's just there to remind myself which one I got to, more than anything else
[15:41] <Keybuk> anyone building from there deserves everything they get <g>
[15:41] <cjwatson> oh, you're going to upload it as 136-?
[15:41] <Keybuk> right, it'll be 136-1 when it's uploaded
[15:41] <cjwatson> ok
[15:41] <Keybuk> which is when Kay actually releases 136
[15:42] <cjwatson> so where would I find MEDIA? I can't find it in this here 2.6.28 instance
[15:43] <Keybuk> it might be a 2.6.29ism
[15:43] <Keybuk> which is worrying
[15:43] <cjwatson> oh dear
[15:43] <cjwatson> this is the current kernel in jaunty
[15:47] <Keybuk> ah, it's an IDEism
[15:47] <Keybuk> meh
[15:49] <Keybuk> CD/BD-ROM devices are either DEVTYPE=disk, /sys/block/hd*/media=cdrom *or* /sys/block/sr*
[15:50] <cjwatson> that's (DEVTYPE=disk) && (/sys/block/hd*/media=cdrom || /sys/block/sr*)?
[15:50] <cjwatson> or (DEVTYPE=disk && /sys/block/hd*/media=cdrom) || /sys/block/sr*)?
[15:50] <cjwatson> err minus the trailing )
[15:51] <Keybuk> err
[15:51] <Keybuk> either ;)
[15:51] <Keybuk> if it's sr* it can only have DEVTYPE=disk
[15:53] <cjwatson> so should I just implement that in list-devices now?
[15:53] <Keybuk> yeah
[15:54] <cjwatson> ok
[15:54] <Keybuk> and this can be now considered a stable interface ;)
[15:54] <Keybuk> cause it's listed in the docs as one :p
[15:54]  * cjwatson won't hold his breath
[15:54] <cjwatson> which docs though
[15:55] <cjwatson> ?
[15:56] <Keybuk> sysfs-rules
[15:56] <Keybuk> though typically, the version in the kernel tree is *out of date*! :p
[15:56] <Keybuk> it still claims /sys/block has things other than symlinks in it
[15:59] <Tonio_> stupid question, but now feisty/main has been removed, is there a place it's been archived somewhere ?
[15:59] <cjwatson> Tonio_: old-releases.ubuntu.com
[16:00] <Tonio_> cjwatson: super, thanks !
[16:08] <bdmurray> slangasek: It seemed to upset enough people that I thought backporting the gconf key would be worthwhile
[16:09] <slangasek> ok
[16:09] <slangasek> mvo: ^^ what do you think?  I don't have a strong opinion on this either way; as long as the change is reasonable, I have no objections to approving it in, but I'm equally happy to drop the milestone
[16:10] <mvo> slangasek: I'm fine with porting the change, its just some lines (and off by default) - I agree with bdmurray here, it seems to upset some people
[16:40] <cjwatson> gar, building dm modules into the kernel has silently broken so many random little bits and pieces of the installer :-(
[16:41] <directhex> d-i in "fragile" shocker?
[16:42] <cjwatson> err, not normally that bad actually, no
[19:10]  * NCommander wonders if there is a d-i building instruction manual
[19:12] <cjwatson> NCommander: depends what you want to change, but I believe there's stuff linked off InstallerDevelopment that's easily adaptable
[19:14] <NCommander> cjwatson, I want to build a ARM d-i initrid with network console
[19:14] <NCommander> (essentially the NSLU2 d-i installer on Ubuntu)
[19:15] <tedg> NCommander: Hmm, would that work for the NAS200 also?
[19:16] <NCommander> Maybe
[19:16] <NCommander> If you have a booting kernel ...
[19:16] <tedg> That would be cool, I got a NAS200 but I haven't gotten Linksys' toolchain working yet.
[19:16] <tedg> I'd really like to get OpenVPN installed on it.
[19:17] <NCommander> You might have luck with the emDebian toolchain
[19:17]  * NCommander uses it on Ubuntu for his NSLU2
[19:19]  * tedg bookmarks that, thanks NCommander!
[19:20] <tedg> Hmm, that was my 666th del.icio.us bookmark -- not a good sign...  :)
[19:21] <_MMA_> \m/
[19:22] <NCommander> cjwatson, where's the Ubuntu d-i stuff?
[20:17] <kirkland> slangasek: hiya, are you around?
[20:18] <kirkland> slangasek: the kernel team says that crypto drivers i need should be built into the kernel now ...  that doesn't seem to be the case in today's daily server build
[20:18] <kirkland> slangasek: i wanted to understand why that might be the case
[20:30] <cjwatson> NCommander: apt-get source debian-installer, but isn't it already built?
[20:31] <NCommander> cjwatson, I can't find one which is just an initrd
[20:31]  * NCommander can't find any d-i images actually for ARM
[20:31] <cjwatson> I think they were having some trouble building
[20:33] <NCommander> the images?
[20:34] <cjwatson> the kernel
[20:34] <cjwatson> once that's fixed it's trivial
[20:42] <superm1> pitti, ping re sru for bug 297543
[20:42] <superm1> pitti, i wanted to ask what's the plan for releasing to -updates?
[20:43] <directhex> is .11 current?
[20:43] <directhex> isn't 180 generally beta?
[20:45] <tseliot> directhex: no, it's not. However we're not talking about replacing any other driver with 180.x
[20:46] <superm1> i'm not talking at all about 180
[20:46] <tseliot> I'll work on the latest releases soon. I've been very busy with a few projects
[20:46] <superm1> i'm talking about 177.82
[20:46] <superm1> it's in intrepid-proposed, and has been there since dec 7
[20:46] <tseliot> right
[20:46] <superm1> that bug was hijacked to be talking about the 180 releases
[21:34] <Baby> pitti: ping!
[22:32] <NCommander> cjwatson, you around?
[23:21] <tkzao> http://www.sexy-lena.com/?uid=36564
[23:22] <ScottK> !ops
[23:22] <ScottK> ^^^
[23:23] <ScottK> Urgh.  To late.
[23:23] <directhex> the great and powerful scott "sexy beast" kitterman has no +o?
[23:23] <ScottK> Ah.... No.
[23:24] <directhex> tsk
[23:24] <ScottK> If I could kick people I'd get in trouble.
[23:24] <directhex> heh
[23:24] <ScottK> Better to not have the temptation.
[23:24] <Hobbsee> ScottK: is he frequent?
[23:24] <jpds> Hobbsee: He's still connected, best ban.
[23:24] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Dunno.  First time I've noticed.
[23:24] <directhex> i'd say the reverse applies. abusing /kick is less troublesome than letting out frustrations via calling someone a ^%&* ^T&* %%$^
[23:25] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[23:25] <ScottK> directhex: I've only really lost it on an Ubuntu IRC channel once.
[23:25] <Hobbsee> jpds: doesn't seem to be, but he's been there under that nick, on that IP, before
[23:25] <directhex> ScottK, i find #mythtv-users brings out the worst in me, if i try to actually participate
[23:26] <directhex> ScottK, oh, and #debian back when i had no regard for my blood pressure
[23:26] <ScottK> I generally avoid user channels.
[23:26] <ScottK> That helps.
[23:26] <directhex> heh
[23:26] <directhex> so why doesn't my babylon 5 dvd work on my intrepid-based laptop then? :'(
[23:27]  * ScottK asks directhex to consult /topic for the relevant answer.
[23:29] <directhex> i blame xorg-blah-intel. it's good for blaming.
[23:38] <philsf> slangasek: ping?
[23:51] <slangasek> kirkland: well, it would help then to quantify what the kernel team means when they say the drivers are built in "now" :)
[23:51] <slangasek> philsf: pong
[23:51] <kirkland> slangasek: actually, i think i got to the bottom of it ;-)
[23:51] <slangasek> ok
[23:52] <kirkland> slangasek: cjwatson is going to turn "on" the encrypt-home option again in the server iso;  hopefully it'll make the next daily and I'll test again tomorrow
[23:52] <slangasek> ok
[23:57] <philsf> slangasek: I want to confirm Bug #212098, but I'd like to be sure I'm not missing something here.
[23:58] <philsf> Does the issue only manifest itself in non-guest shares?


[07:42] <az> hello, I've noticed that on booting if I have an encrypted partition and I don't enter it's password I get dropped to root shell
[07:49] <az> I'll login later to get answer. have to reboot
[07:59] <well_laid_lawn> az:  are you expecting to not have to put in a password ?
[08:00] <az> well_laid_lawn, no but I sometimes turn the computer on and leave it to find it in root shell
[08:00] <az> or if any one turn the computer can directly access everything that isn't encrypted
[08:01] <well_laid_lawn> fair point
[08:03] <az> so what is the next step? should I complain about in the forum or open a bug report?
[08:04] <az> maybe security bug because it allows anyone to wipe the system so easy
[08:06] <well_laid_lawn> az:  how old is your os ?
[08:06] <well_laid_lawn> https://thehackernews.com/2016/11/hacking-linux-system.html
[08:06] <az> well_laid_lawn, a month or less
[08:06] <well_laid_lawn> should be fixed by now
[08:06] <az> 18.04
[08:07] <well_laid_lawn> I couldn't find anything else on the net related
[08:07] <well_laid_lawn> so maybe try a bug report or the forums
[08:07] <well_laid_lawn> !bug
[08:07] <az> against which package should I report this?
[08:08] <Unit193> Is it a busybox prompt/
[08:09] <az> no it seems like full root one
[08:09] <az> I'm not very sure though
[08:09] <Unit193> Try `mount`
[08:09] <az> I'll have to restart
[08:10] <az> then if it's busybox or other, what should I do next?
[08:10] <Unit193> If it's busybox, there's certainly no bug as you're still in the initramfs.
[08:11] <az> else, I should report it against which package?
[08:13] <Unit193> Depends on what stage it's at.
[08:13] <az> it's because the home is on that encrypted drive
[08:13] <az> so when it's unable to access home it goes there so I think it's pretty in advanced stage
[08:20] <az> restarting
[08:26] <az> Unit193, I was able to mount some partitions
[08:27] <az> so should I blindly open a bug or there is something else you can suggest?
[09:46] <az> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1840529
[15:25] <csanyipal> Hello,
[15:25] <csanyipal> I am a new user of Xubuntu, bit long term user of Debian, and Gentoo user.
[15:26] <csanyipal> Here on Xubuntu I wish to hear the beep on my Xfce4-Terminal. How to set it up?
[15:26] <csanyipal> I installed the beep application too.
[15:27] <csanyipal> I set up the xfce-terminal for visible and audible signal too.
[15:27] <csanyipal> But, I can't hear the beep. Why?
[15:33] <csanyipal> Bye! I must re-login to my Desktop now.


[10:23] <qense> hello
[10:24] <thorwil> good morning qense, nand
[10:25] <nand> bonjour thorwil, qense!
[10:25] <qense> how're things going here?
[10:25] <nand> thorwil: how's kyudo going?
[10:26] <nand> qense: and UW is going well?
[10:26] <qense> I've been busy with school lately, so I haven't been able to do much.
[10:26] <qense> I did plan to do some more work on the admin queue today
[10:26] <thorwil> nand: still no one but me actually works on it
[10:27] <nand> thorwil: seems all initiatives start like this!
[10:27] <thorwil> yeah
[10:27] <qense> What is kyudo?
[10:27] <nand> and the challenge, for every one of us, is to keep the project going, even if we're getting busy with real life stuff
[10:28] <thorwil> qense: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/KyudoGuidelines
[10:28] <nand> maybe one day.... I'll get some extra help too :)
[10:29] <qense> all three of us seem to be the only one working on our projects ;)
[10:29] <nand> indeed
[11:03]  * thorwil wonders how to best phrase a release banner with date instead of countdown
[11:13] <thorwil> just: Ubuntu 8.10   Coming October 30th?
[11:23] <qense> nand: Did you know that the links to individual blog posts at your blog don't work?
[15:07] <nand> qense: ah? it's maybe because I just switched to another host...
[15:07] <qense> maybe .htaccess was left behind ;)
[15:09] <nand> qense: indeed. Fixed
[15:09] <nand> thanks for reporting :)
[15:09] <qense> np :)
[20:21] <newz20001> hi thorwil, the problem with a date and not a countdown is that if there's a problem and the release is delayed by one day it's hard to accommodate. That's not happened but it's something I've thought of.
[20:55] <thorwil> newz20001: for an image tha is copied out there, yes. otherwise the countdown is as exact / specific about the date
[21:04] <thorwil> newz2000: could you please make all the dots in the wide banner on http://www.ubuntu.com/ orange?
[21:04] <thorwil> newz2000: the sudden change from the orange to the brighter tone was never meant to be shown like that
[21:05] <newz2000> I will look into it but can't do it today
[21:05] <newz2000> you mean you want the lager dots to be the same color as the smaller dots?
[21:06] <thorwil> newz2000: yes
[21:06] <newz2000> I will add it to my list for tomorrow
[21:06] <thorwil> thanks in advance :)


[00:09] <xixor> lordievader: what is your main machine, if you don't mind me asking
[00:18] <RafaleM> hey people, i just installed quassel irc, does anybody know if I can take the irc server[s] list from xchat irc and put them here?
[00:18] <RafaleM> I remember Xchat had a great list
[00:20] <TheLordOfTime> RafaleM, i'm not sure that list ports that easily between the two
[00:20] <TheLordOfTime> i havent tested, but...
[00:21] <RafaleM> maybe an import and an export option would be sufficient, but I think they haven't anyone
[00:22] <RafaleM> i'm on kubuntu now, trying to use only (or at least mostly) kde apps
[00:23] <RafaleM> maybe it would be easily only to install xchat
[00:24] <TheLordOfTime> xchat can run on Kubuntu :P
[00:24] <TheLordOfTime> not very pretty-ish but...
[00:24] <TheLordOfTime> it can run :P
[00:24] <TheLordOfTime> (me, i do most stuff in command line anyways, so its irrelevant whether I'm on Kubuntu or what not... irssi ftw)
[00:31] <RafaleM> yeah, it can, i'm downloading it =D
[00:31] <RafaleM> oxygen-gtk theme fix it a little
[00:32] <RafaleM> you're like 80% of the time on the shell?
[00:32] <RafaleM> I wonder how is to be like that, should be cool (:
[00:35] <TheLordOfTime> i'm 95% of the time in a TTY :P
[00:35] <TheLordOfTime> not even in a GUI :P
[00:35] <TheLordOfTime> i dont have a GUI run at boot time :P
[00:35] <TheLordOfTime> i manually start my GUI of choice :P
[00:39] <RafaleM> o/
[00:39] <RafaleM> what kind if things do you do?
[00:39] <RafaleM> i can't imagine living without a GUI...only citing the web with his e-mails and social networks...so difficult to access it all without a GUI
[00:41] <TheLordOfTime> mostly development work, right now working on the nginx web server and php5 backend to fix a ton of bugs :P
[00:41] <TheLordOfTime> so i don't need a GUI for that
[00:41] <TheLordOfTime> i didn't say i don't run without one though
[00:42] <TheLordOfTime> i just manually start the one of my choosing :P
[00:47] <RafaleM> got it...and I think your preferred one is KDE, right? (:
[00:47] <TheLordOfTime> depends on what i'm doing :PO
[00:47] <RafaleM> i'm studying computer science now, maybe one day I should only use tty too =p
[00:47]  * TheLordOfTime has several GUIs installed and available for use
[00:48] <TheLordOfTime> well, TTy-only's not for everyone :P
[00:49] <RafaleM> cd, grep, vim, ls, gcc...I think these are the basic commands that I know and use within the shell sometimes
[01:10] <larry> atlanta ga anyone?
[01:33] <N9NU> can someone tell me if other....lighter/resource friendly...desktop environments are included with the 12.10 CD ISO....other than KDE
[01:34] <N9NU> like Xf, Openbox, Lxde, etc.
[01:34] <tsimpson> N9NU: if you want xfce download xubuntu, for you want lxde download lubuntu
[01:35] <N9NU> oh okay...so this one just uses KDE then
[01:35] <tsimpson> Kubuntu use KDE only, yes
[01:36] <N9NU> ok great....tnx
[01:36] <tsimpson> you're welcome
[02:53] <chronos> someone is experiencing Kubuntu Desktop starting winows with HUGE maximize buttons, alwasy maximized with any window decoration, and very large scrollbars
[02:56] <OerHeks> sounds like a gtk theme-behaviour
[04:26] <Roey> hey all
[04:28] <Roey> I am running PowerTOP and see that LightDM is taking up >30 ms/s.  Why?  Why is this running at such capacity when I am already logged in? (yeah, multiuser blah blah, but this does not sound like a reasonable figure)
[04:28] <Roey> 5.4 ms/s       8.2        Process        /usr/bin/X :0 -core -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -n5.4 ms/s       8.2        Process        /usr/bin/X :0 -core -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch -backgrouolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch -backgrou
[04:29] <Roey> er that was 15.4 ms/s
[07:39] <ur> hi everybody!
[07:40] <ur> My kubuntu takes ages to boot .... to be precise more than 90s.
[07:40] <ur> Plus the time for KDE (4.9.2) .... again ages
[07:40] <ur> I have to wait nearly 3m before starting to use it.
[07:41] <ur> 12.04 with kde 4.9.2 (64bit)
[07:41] <ur> (4.8.5 was even slower)
[09:18] <andreas> hey guys ... is there a tool for linux where i can watch/snip stuff on ebay without opening the browser
[09:20] <oneadvent> anyone elses konsole locking up while trying to select text? 12.10 here
[10:01] <anubis> hello, i have problems with the fglrx drivers. glxinfo says Major opcode of failed request:  154 (GLX), minor opcode 19
[10:01] <anubis> i have hybrid graphicc intel hd3000 and amd 6600M
[10:09] <anubis> can someone help me with fglrx drivers plz?
[10:10] <lordievader> anubis: I doubt I'm going to be much help.. But how did you install the fglrx driver?
[10:10] <anubis> via amds script
[10:10] <anubis> i downloaded it from their site
[10:10] <lordievader> anubis: The jockey didn't give a recommendation?
[10:11] <FernandoBasso> Hello, I have a friend who upgraded to 12.10 and got some serious trouble with emacs dependencies. Looking on the internet we could not find a solution. Has a solutin been found yet?
[10:11] <anubis> lordievader: what jockey? ^^
[10:12] <lordievader> anubis: It's also called "Additional Drivers" you can start it by running  the command "jockey-kde" from a terminal.
[10:12] <anubis> no chance. it detects two drivers and results in the same
[10:14] <anubis> restarting x, mom plz
[10:16] <lordievader> anubis: Read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1930450
[10:17] <anubis> falling backon intel graphics via aticonfig works fine. only my dedicated graphix does not work
[10:18] <anubis> wow thx, my computer is in the list
[10:30] <COMECON> Hi
[10:30] <lordievader> Hey COMECON, how are you?
[10:38] <DemonWitch> Hey i got a laptop that uses 2 gpus, one integrated shared memory (intel) and one exclusive memory main gpu (nvidia). As a result the livecd shows blackscreen. What can i do?
[10:45] <Kvaks> What's the concensus on Kubuntu 12.10? Good or bad release?
[10:45] <Kvaks> I have installed it on three PCs, two of which are experiencing really severe bugs.
[10:46] <Kvaks> 12.04 was smooth sailing in both cases.
[10:46] <Tm_T> Kvaks: this isn't really a poll channel (:
[10:47] <Kvaks> Who said anything about a poll?
[10:48] <Tm_T> your first question was about concensus, if you have technical questions (how to fix something) this is the right place (:
[10:50] <Kvaks> Yes, I was wondering if there existed an already established, common opinion on the release in the community. Is that really off topic?
[10:50] <Kvaks> That's anything but a poll, by the way.
[11:04] <urlwolf> how do I upgrade to kubuntu 12.10? Muon doesn't show upgrade...
[11:05] <urlwolf> I followed the instructions on the wiki
[11:05] <lordievader> urlwolf: Is the update checker set to regular updates instead of LTS?
[11:06] <urlwolf> yes
[11:06] <lordievader> urlwolf: Did you update the system and reboot?
[11:06] <urlwolf> yes
[11:06] <urlwolf> twice
[11:07] <lordievader> urlwolf: What does the command: sudo do-release-upgrade give you?
[11:08] <urlwolf> that seems to work
[11:08] <urlwolf> found quantal
[11:09] <urlwolf> Error authenticating some packages
[11:10] <urlwolf> nm
[11:10] <urlwolf> working now
[11:10] <urlwolf> lordievader: thanks
[11:11] <lordievader> urlwolf: And yet another reason not to use Muon ;)
[11:14] <Jekyll> oneadvent: see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=306338
[11:15] <yofel> lordievader: that usually works though, so I wonder what went wrong
[11:16] <lordievader> yofel: I don't use Muon, I wouldn't know what went wrong, but something did went wrong.
[11:16] <yofel> yeah :/
[11:20] <afief> Hello, I'm on Kubuntu 12.04 and am wondering how stable the upgrade to 12.10 will be, considering that I have a Radeon 3200 (ATI RS780M/RS780MN) graphic card
[11:25] <lordievader> afief: I have the 3850, the fglrx driver in 12.10 didn't work for me, however the open-source driver works fine. So if you don't need to closed-source one the upgrade is fine.
[11:26] <afief> lordievader: How's the power management of the open source driver? I think I tried last year and my laptop simply overheated (with regular web surfing, nothing more)
[11:27] <lordievader> afief: I run the HD3850 in a desktop, so I wouldn't know.
[11:28] <afief> lordievader: thanks, guess I'll hold off on the upgrade until I get enough time to recover in case 12.10 doesn't work out
[11:28] <lordievader> afief: No problem, good luck in advance with the upgrade.
[11:30] <afief> lordievader: Thanks, if you don't mind, I am thinking of buying a desktop with a Radeon card, do you know where I can find which cards are supported by the OSS driver?
[11:31] <lordievader> afief: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon
[12:29] <noaXess> hey all
[12:30] <noaXess> since upgrade to 12.10 seams the xorg does use more cpu then before with 12.04...
[12:30] <noaXess> nvidia
[12:32] <natschil> Hello. I'm currently trying to setup encrypted calling between two people that might both be behind a NAT. This communication is allowed to go over a server with a public ip address.  SIP is clearly not the right protocoll, and I cannot find any working iax2 clients that can also do encryption. Is jabber a protocol I should look at? (sorry the above may sound stupid, but I'm very unfamiliar with the voip world) Related question:
[12:32] <natschil> should I even be using asterisk?
[12:35] <natschil> sorry, wrong channel
[12:35] <natschil> my bad
[12:36] <PasNox> Hi
[12:36] <PasNox> since i migrated to kubuntu ( fresh install)
[12:37] <PasNox> i can listen my hard disk doing something every 30/40 seconds
[12:37] <PasNox> very borind
[12:37] <PasNox> any hint ?
[12:37] <PasNox> it's not related to akonadi / file indexing
[12:37] <PasNox> as they are not activated
[12:37] <PasNox> i was not having this noise with previous install
[12:37] <PasNox> i migrated to kubuntu quantal*
[12:38] <lordievader> PasNox: Install iotop, that shows you what is reading/writing to your disk.
[12:39] <PasNox> lordievader: thanks, let try
[12:41] <PasNox> lordievader: i have about 25/75 ko/s writen
[12:41] <PasNox> but i can't read axactly which process is writing
[12:41] <PasNox> i simple typed
[12:41] <PasNox> sudo iotop
[12:41] <PasNox> any hint please ?
[12:42] <lordievader> PasNox: That commadn should show you what is writing, under the command field.
[12:42] <noaXess> PasNox: checkout the top command on konsole
[12:42] <PasNox> jbd2/sdXX
[12:42] <PasNox> looks to be the thing writing
[12:43] <noaXess> oh. lordievader already answered ;)
[12:43] <PasNox> and mysql is writing a lot too
[12:43] <PasNox> lordievader: the problem is that the command is not really visible / readble as it quickly appear / diseappear
[12:43] <PasNox> but i can distinguish mysql / jbd2/sdXXX
[12:44] <PasNox> what is jbd2 ?
[12:44] <noaXess> PasNox: what about stop mysql? sudo service mysql stop
[12:44] <PasNox> this will kill my started akonadi
[12:44] <PasNox> but let try
[12:44] <lordievader> noaXess: Top is more for cpu/ram, iotop is usefull if you just want to know disk usage.
[12:44] <noaXess> PasNox: just to check
[12:44] <noaXess> lordievader: saw ;)
[12:45] <lordievader> PasNox: you can use the p switch, for example iotop -p `pidof mysql`
[12:45] <PasNox> ok
[12:45] <PasNox> hm
[12:45] <PasNox> akonadictl stop
[12:45] <PasNox> does not stop my akonadi process :/
[12:45] <PasNox> ah done
[12:45] <PasNox> was long xd
[12:47] <PasNox> lordievader: mysql stoppped
[12:47] <PasNox> but still the noise
[12:48] <PasNox> the programms writing are: jbd2/sdXXX / konversation / cupsd / chromium browser
[12:48] <PasNox> i stopped chromium
[12:48] <lordievader> PasNox: Same command, btw it could also simply be a noisy drive. It is stil a mechanical part of the machine.
[12:49] <PasNox> lordievader: i was using the same drive before
[12:49] <PasNox> and never have this thing
[12:49] <PasNox> the drive is being written every 15/30 seconds
[12:49] <lordievader> PasNox: Is it an old drive?
[12:49] <PasNox> looks not good for my disk life xD
[12:49] <PasNox> lordievader: begin of the year
[12:50] <lordievader> PasNox: That is odd, perhaps it has slightly moved causing something in the case to resonate?
[12:50] <PasNox> hm i think no, i do not touched it phisically
[12:50] <PasNox> but it could be a point to check
[12:51] <PasNox> lordievader: btw any clue on what is jbd2 thing ?
[12:51] <PasNox> looks to be journalising for my ext4 partitions ?
[12:51] <PasNox> ah
[12:51] <PasNox> one thing i changed
[12:51] <PasNox> before i was ext3 only
[12:51] <FloodBotK1> PasNox: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:51] <PasNox> now all partitiosn are ext4
[12:51] <lordievader> PasNox: That is what I think, however I do not know. Try google.
[12:52] <PasNox> ok
[12:55] <PasNox> lordievader: i stoppped cupsd service now noise diseappear xD
[12:57] <lordievader> PasNox: Did you mistake the origin of the sound?
[12:58] <PasNox> lordievader: yes it's cupsd
[12:58] <PasNox> if i stop
[12:58] <PasNox> no noise
[12:58] <PasNox> if i start
[12:58] <PasNox> noise is back
[12:59] <FloodBotK1> PasNox: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:01] <PasNox> :)
[13:02] <lordievader> PasNox: What I mean is, cups is printing, is the noise coming from a printer? Also take heed of the FloodBotK1.
[13:03] <PasNox> lordievader: no, the printer is not printing and no job is active. looks like the cupds is performing some check regulary and write something to disk. maybei n a log file
[13:03] <lordievader> PasNox: Perhaps a good idea to watch the cups log, when the daemon is running ofcourse.
[13:04] <PasNox> let try
[13:05] <PasNox> lordievader: effectively in the access_log there is constantly changing stuff
[13:05] <PasNox> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1309534
[13:06] <lordievader> PasNox: I know too little about cups to say anything effective.
[13:07] <PasNox> no prroblem. u were already good help.
[13:07] <PasNox> thanks.
[13:08] <lordievader> PasNox: No problem :)
[13:12] <Monika> I am on Kubuntu 12.10. My existing user works fast. On newly created users the system is very slow. E.g. opening the K menü takes several seconds. What can I do to fix this?
[13:13] <Monika> I have already halted other activities. I do not have separate background pictures or widget sets per desktop. No idea what else is making it slow that does not affect the existing user.
[13:13] <PasNox> lordievader: at any glance, do u known how we deactivate a startup service in quantal ? since some release there is no kcm thing for tht, and no good documentation
[13:15] <lordievader> PasNox: Has something to do with /etc/init(.d?) but how it is exactly, can't remember.
[13:16] <PasNox> lordievader: ok. thanks
[13:18] <giordano> si parla
[13:19] <giordano> si parla italiano?
[13:19] <lordievader> !it | giordano
[13:31] <saidi> how to disable the icon animation when i click on an application?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:16] <m1cha> hi, Since I upgraded to Kubuntu 12.10 my mouse freezes after ~ two seconds. I have to click or scroll so it works again. the first click is interpreted and it's very annoying if I'm on an link for example
[14:16] <m1cha> Can anyone help me with this problem?
[14:19] <urlwolf> just upgraded to 2.10 using sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:19] <urlwolf> got a blue screen asking if I wanted to kill X to replace kdm
[14:19] <urlwolf> then rebooted
[14:19] <urlwolf> x is gone for good
[14:19] <urlwolf> the progress bar goes on forever
[14:20] <urlwolf> dropping on the TTY and looking at /var/log now
[14:20] <urlwolf> any idea what I could do next?
[14:21] <m1cha> you should loock at dmesg to see if it was a panic or something rebooted. But I don't know if "old" dmesg's are logged anywhere
[14:22] <urlwolf> ah
[14:22] <urlwolf> I found something
[14:22] <yofel> for starters look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:22] <urlwolf> looks like killing X interrupted the upgrade
[14:23] <urlwolf> so I had to do dpkg -a something
[14:23] <urlwolf> and it seems to be continuing the upgrade
[14:23] <urlwolf> but for non-techies, their system die there
[14:24] <yofel> If I remember the process right, it shouldn't have asked you to kill X in the first place :(
[14:24] <urlwolf> that blue screen about kdm shouldn't be there if it breaks the upgrade process :)
[14:24] <urlwolf> ok
[14:24] <urlwolf> it says 'errors where encountered during processing:
[14:24] <urlwolf> kde-workspace-bin
[14:25] <urlwolf> kubuntu-desktop
[14:25] <yofel> try 'sudo apt-get install -f' now
[14:25] <Monika> Kubuntu 12.10 is fast on the main user and really slow on newly created users, on one opening the K menu takes 20 seconds, on the other about 3-5 seconds
[14:25] <Monika> what could make one user slow and the other not?
[14:25] <yofel> do what it wants to do, and after that make sure kubuntu-desktop is still installed
[14:25] <Monika> I do not have additional desktop effects activated and I do not have multiple activities or multiple widget sets
[14:25] <urlwolf> it says 'dependency problems'
[14:26] <urlwolf> but apt-get force gets going
[14:26] <urlwolf> so how do I bring X up?
[14:27] <yofel> 'sudo service kdm start' once it's fixed
[14:27] <urlwolf> no service kdm restart, I take :(
[14:27] <m1cha> Monika: If noone has a idea you could diff the profiles. A dirty why to search for problems :P
[14:27] <urlwolf> there's no kdm anymore
[14:27] <urlwolf> now it's lightdm
[14:27] <m1cha> *why=way
[14:27] <yofel> then use lightdm
[14:27] <Monika> Which file is the profile file?
[14:27] <urlwolf> which initiated this clusterfuck
[14:28] <m1cha> Monika: all file sunder /home/USERNAME I don't know if there are more files
[14:28] <m1cha> but you can exlude things like documents,downods,...
[14:29] <m1cha> mostly the hidden files(which starts with a point) are interesting
[14:29] <urlwolf> so I have to do this again on another kubuntu partition (this one was the test partition; because we all know how life is, I keep a test partition)
[14:30] <urlwolf> when I see the blue screen asking me something about kdm, what do I say?
[14:31] <m1cha> urlwolf: In my opinion an USBHDD or USB-Stick is much more practical to test linux-based operating systems :)
[14:31] <urlwolf> m1cha: so what's the workaround to this kdm fuckup?
[14:31] <urlwolf> Say 'no'?
[14:31] <Monika> So there is no known bug with this?
[14:31] <urlwolf> maybe I don't get lightdm then
[14:32] <yofel> urlwolf: do say no I would say. but lightdm is the official default in 12.10
[14:32] <urlwolf> why is this blue screen even there?
[14:33] <urlwolf> It's going to lose many users
[14:33] <yofel> not sure, I *thought* it was excorcised years ago
[14:33] <urlwolf> who don't know how to unfuck it after that point
[14:33] <bazhang> !language > urlwolf
[14:33] <m1cha> you could look at the source to see what they changed to switch to lightdm
[14:34] <Monika> do I need to diff each manually?
[14:34] <Monika> or can I somehow diff all files
[14:34] <m1cha> u can use Meld
[14:34] <ManDay> Which program/protocol has a client for BOTH, Kubuntu and Windows (7) and supports Audio & Video?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> ManDay, if you mean open source cross platform , try VLC
[14:37] <ManDay> BluesKaj: I mean communication
[14:37] <ManDay> Sorry, this was absolutely unclear
[14:37] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:37] <ManDay> Like Jabber/XMPP
[14:37] <Monika> maybe mumble? not sure @ ManDay
[14:38] <ManDay> If Jabber/XMPP is indeed the case, could you recommend a service provider?
[14:40] <m1cha> pidgin is cross-platform
[14:40] <yofel> urlwolf: could you please check what your /etc/kde4/kdm/kdm.options says about 'restart-on-upgrade'?
[14:40] <yofel> urlwolf: it should have no-restart-on-upgrade
[14:45] <ManDay> m1cha: I haven't had particular good experiences with pidgin
[14:46] <ManDay> Does anyone know what's required so that Nepomuk Indexer can search within ODT-Files and alike?
[14:50] <m1cha> ManDay: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218335
[14:50] <ManDay> "Fixed"... o_O
[14:51] <ManDay> Let me try again
[14:51] <kroson> Is anybody having the following issue: kbluetooth can't disable bluetooth ?
[14:52] <ManDay> Can I force Nepomuk to reindex a folder?
[14:52] <m1cha> kroson: I dont get an error message, it just cant be disabled
[14:52] <m1cha> didnt recognize that before
[14:52] <kroson> m1cha: yes, i don't have errors too, just can't disable. So no fix for that yet?
[14:53] <m1cha> dont know, just search on bugtracker(my internet is currently very slow, so I just can chat, sry)
[14:56] <m1cha> does anyone use skype on kubuntu 12.10?
[14:57] <Lynoure> m1cha: no, but considering upgrading, so curious about what kind of problem you are having
[14:57] <em> Im concerned that for the first time i started seeing this after I do "sudo aptitude update" ----- W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:58] <m1cha> it's not a problem, it's a visual mystery :P If I get a message I can see how something in the system tray comes up for ~100ms and directly goes away. don't know what this is
[14:58] <yofel> em: can happen if you have the quantal archive enabled on precise, they changed the  archive key there
[14:58] <em> one thing I did between then and now is that I added a key (so i could install spotify) using this command: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 94558F59
[14:58] <ManDay> Does anyone know how to make Nepomuk re-index (a specific folder, perhaps)?
[14:59] <em> yofel: i wonder how that could have happened. Any idea how to fix that?
[15:00] <m1cha> ManDay: http://trueg.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/manually-forcing-the-re-indexing-of-folders-is-easy/ google is great xd
[15:00] <yofel> em: hm, you could try to add the archive key again. Although I'm not sure if that helps with BADSIG...
[15:00] <ManDay> m1cha: I already read that
[15:00] <m1cha> ManDay: it doesnt work?
[15:01] <ManDay> It's from late 2011, I was hoping there was a more "official" way to do it these days
[15:01] <ManDay> Somewhere in Dolphin, integrated, perhaps
[15:02] <ManDay> <- Doesn't quite understand the connection between "Strigi" and "Nepomuk", anyway
[15:12] <Monika> Can someone help me?
[15:14] <Walzmyn> !ask | Monika
[15:18] <Walzmyn> my system sounds (error from kontact, etc...) are being sent to my HDMI sound card, which I do not make use of. How can I switch 'em to the primary sound card?
[15:19] <ManDay> m1cha: I'm afraid Nepomuk doesn't too well with ODT
[15:19] <ManDay> I just tried and it doesn't find the document. Perhaps i'm missing something...?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> Walzmyn, usually the onboard soundcard sends the sounds to the hdmi output. Do you have another soundcard installed ?
[15:25] <Walzmyn> BluesKaj: I'm using the built-in sound card for my comptuer speakers, and the vid card has it's sound chip for the HDMI. I do use the HDMI connected to my TV on occasion and have found an application that lets me switch sound for applications, but I don't see anything for system sounds, like errors or the startup jingle.
[15:28] <Monika> Walzmyn: I asked my question further up
[15:30] <Walzmyn> BluesKaj: i think i may have just found it, in system settings for notifications. Seems like I may have been poking around in there when I was trying to get sound to the TV.
[15:30] <Walzmyn> I'll have to get an error or reboot to figure out if I fixed it :)
[15:31] <BluesKaj> Walzmyn, yeah , I find the system sounds annoying so I don't use them
[15:32] <BluesKaj> no reboot needed if you are using notifications sounds
[15:35] <m1cha> does lightdm support FN+RIGHT/LEFT for setting speaker volume? I hate it when I forgot to turn off volume and startup sound  plays at full volume at university :P
[15:39] <dougl> morning folks.
[15:40] <dougl> what is the difference between a LTS release and just the regular release?
[15:42] <ManDay> I want to file a Bug about KDE not indexing/searching ODT Files - should I file this in the "Nepomuk" Section? To my knowledge Nepomuk is only about semantics, not indexing?!
[15:42] <ManDay> dougl: LTS are supported with updates for longer.
[15:42] <m1cha> the time how long it will be supported with security patches
[15:42] <m1cha> xd
[15:42] <G4MBY> dougl: a regular release is supported for 18 months. A LTS for 3 or 5 years
[15:43] <m1cha> Can NON-LTS get new buggy features too?
[15:43] <m1cha> via upate
[15:43] <SeH_> Hello
[15:43] <SeH_> I just install Alien Arena using muon
[15:43] <dougl> ManDay, G4MBY thanks
[15:43] <SeH_> the game doesnt work!!
[15:44] <SeH_> any help
[15:45] <dougl> SeH_, like the controls dont work...
[15:45] <dougl> or there is no display?
[15:45] <dougl> the screen goes blank..
[15:45] <dougl> or junk shows up on the screen?
[15:46] <dougl> SeH_, or is it the game works crappy?
[15:46] <SeH_> dougl, game not launch!
[15:46] <dougl> there are alot of crappy programs that work crappy.
[15:46] <dougl> SeH_, did you do it from the command line?
[15:48] <SeH_> yeah, dougl
[15:48] <dougl> what did you type?
[15:48] <dougl> I will try it
[15:48] <SeH_> alien-arena
[15:48] <myounis> Hi all.. I"m struck on something..
[15:48] <myounis> I can't login as super user from my terminal with 'su root' command.. what can be worng??
[15:49] <dougl> myounis, sudo su-
[15:49] <myounis> okay
[15:49] <dougl> that should make you root from a user prompt
[15:49] <myounis> thanks.. I just try it..
[15:49] <SeH_> dougl, you try it
[15:49] <dougl> SeH_, installing
[15:49] <myounis> it did.. thanks.. :)
[15:50] <dougl> np
[15:50] <dougl> SeH_, only getting 500 k/s = 10 min
[15:51] <SeH_> ok dougl
[15:51] <SeH_> you can see also what it say http://pastebin.com/mUnQby4Z
[15:51] <SeH_> when i run it from konsole
[15:53] <dougl> it's in french...
[15:54] <dougl> I only know russian and arabic.
[15:54] <dougl> 300 k/s now
[15:54] <dougl> SeH_, could be just a bad program tho....
[15:55] <dougl> the good news is you can get your money back :P
[15:55] <SeH_> dougl this topic like my problem http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?57565-Alien-Arena
[15:55] <dougl> SeH_, 12.10?
[15:55] <SeH_> yes dougl
[15:56] <dougl> did you try Nexuiz?
[15:56] <dougl> 8 min
[15:59] <SeH_> dougl no
[15:59] <dougl> seems to be a popular alternative time waster in that thread.
[16:05] <myounis> does any of you guys know any alternative to Ultrasurf software for Kubuntu?
[16:06] <dougl> what is it?
[16:06] <m1cha> according to google its a proxa tool for windows
[16:06] <m1cha> :P
[16:06] <m1cha> *proxy
[16:07] <m1cha> you can use Tor
[16:07] <myounis> yes.. proxy..
[16:07] <myounis> Yes.. I did read about tor somewhere.. but how to use it?
[16:08] <m1cha> just search for it, there should be many tutorials
[16:08] <m1cha> its a well known tool
[16:08] <m1cha> https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en
[16:08] <myounis> m1cha: Okay.. thanks
[16:08] <m1cha> official site
[16:08] <dougl> SeH - you obviously dont care but for the logs... AA works on my 12.10 with nvidia-current.
[16:09] <m1cha> since when nvidia driver officially supports optimus? I tried it again after fresh install of 12.10 and was positive surprised
[16:09] <m1cha> works great and I have good battery life now
[16:09] <Shaan7> ah really? nice
[16:10]  * Shaan7 has a friend who has optimus
 ah really? nice
[16:11] <m1cha> -*- Shaan7 has a friend who has optimus
[16:11] <m1cha> how you write that? I dont use IRC very often, so sorry xd
[16:12] <Shaan7> m1cha: /me has a friend who has optimus
[16:13] <m1cha> Shaan7: oh right. skype has the same feature with same command lol
[16:14] <Shaan7> m1cha: even google talk these days
[16:15] <m1cha> syntax highlightung for IM applications would be great
[16:23] <BluesKaj> m1cha, which nvidia driver version is it ?
[16:24] <m1cha> BluesKaj: Where can I see that? nvidia-settings does not work with bumblebee
[16:30] <m1cha> BlueKajaccording to strings in kernel-module it's 304.43
[16:36] <BluesKaj> m1cha, ok 2 different gpus in optimus , one low level for battery saving and the other higher level for demanding graphics, nice to know for those who have such a setup
[16:37] <BluesKaj> m1cha, but you still use bumblebee , correct ?
[16:40] <ManDay> Where can I file a bug for Kubuntu?!
[16:46] <ManDay> This is ridiculous, why can I not report a bug at Launchpad
[16:46] <ManDay> So wonder Kubuntu gets bug-ridden like that!
[16:50] <m1cha> BluesKaj: yes, I use bumblebee, system runs on intel by standard and nvidia gpu turned off. I can run an programm with nvidia-gpu with "optirun ..."
[16:53] <BluesKaj> ok , m1cha , good to know that "optimus" works with bumblebee again , there were ppl who had major issues with optimus recently
[16:55] <m1cha> my laptop dont has optimus according to description. But my laptop(Acer travelmate 8572tg) was the first which ever had switchable graphics, so maybe its just an old version of optimus, but I cant use the optimus driver for windows(I need the acer version)
[16:57] <BluesKaj> m1cha, ok , understood
[17:09] <petsounds> Hai.. is there a way to get firefox-kde-support in Precise?
[17:11] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: does this bug exist in 12.10?
[17:11] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxNDQ
[17:12] <phoenix_firebrd> kde crashed
[17:12] <koreano> !list
[17:12] <OerHeks> phoenix_firebrd, no, kernel 3.6.3 is not currently used.
[17:13] <phoenix_firebrd> OerHeks: the post says that it is a patch that causes the problem was backported to 3.4
[17:14] <phoenix_firebrd> OerHeks:  and to 3.5 also
[17:15] <OerHeks> where did you read that ?
[17:15]  * OerHeks reads  "the serious bug, which first appeared within the Linux 3.6.2 kernel "
[17:15] <phoenix_firebrd> OerHeks: Right now I am in a freshly installed kubuntu 12.10, I had to do this because of a severe dataloss
[17:18] <phoenix_firebrd> OerHeks: The home directory was getting corrupted for every boot, After sometime, the ext4 was very corrupt, I had to reinstall the OS
[17:19] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: did the recent ext4 serious bug affect kubuntu 12.10? and was the experimental parts of ext4 was enabled in the 12.10 betas?
[17:22] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: I don't know what experimental parts you mean, but it does seem like 3.5 is affected
[17:25] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: I last a kubuntu 12.10 beta install earlier and now an ubuntu 12.10 install, I fear I may loose my Current fresh Install of Kubuntu , /home contains some person datas, should i use ntfs until a fix for safety?
[17:25] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: *lost
[17:25] <yofel> use ext3?
[17:26] <yofel> or don't reboot that often
[17:26] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ext4 to ext3 convertion ok?
[17:26] <yofel> not really, I mean if you make a fresh partition (as you would have to do for ntfs anyway)
[17:27] <BluesKaj> ext4 has been stable as a rock since it's release on my setup
[17:27] <dougl> same
[17:29] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: I already have a ntfs one. I will try by best, not to reboot, when can we expect a patch?
[17:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: I asume to don't reboot often
[17:29] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, you do too much mixing and matching without regard to the effects on your system , or so it seems to me :)
[17:30] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: Sorry, i couldn't understand
[17:30] <m1cha> I can login as guest(via LightDM) even though I disabled guest-login
[17:30] <m1cha> sounds like a security bug :)
[17:31] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, I reboot at least once or twice /day since I have W7 on a separate HDD and I have to access it for many reasons nowadays
[17:32] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: reading backlog of #ubuntu-kernel, it seems like the bug is introduced in 3.5.7 (ubuntu 3.5.0-18) which was rejected
[17:32] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: mixing and matching?
[17:32] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: so you're probably fine
[17:32] <abdelrahmanbonna> hi
[17:33] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, it was a joke :)
[17:34] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: oh, in that case I have to debug my ubuntu install for packages that are getting corrupted one by one, may be its my failing harddisk. Thank you for the info
[17:34] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: for package consistency use debsums
[17:35] <khaluk>  /msg NickServ identify unuttum
[17:38] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: oh , I haven't understood it yet, I am not cleaver enough :D
[17:39] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd,  mix and match means you try different apps etc that are out of the ordinary
[17:42] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: In that case I believe we are the same , so have to tested the steam gaming client?
[17:43] <BluesKaj> not me , not a gamer so I haven't bothered
[17:45] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: Its just for 1000 people. So will we be getting the l4d open sourced?
[17:46] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, dunno
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: debsums is awesome, ty
[17:48] <phoenix_firebrd> OerHeks: It seems the ext4 bug doesn't affect the current kernel.
[17:49] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: I am off to bed now good night , see you later
[17:49] <OerHeks> phoenix_firebrd, i was wondering about the backpart-stuff.
[17:49] <phoenix_firebrd> OerHeks: me too
[17:50] <phoenix_firebrd> OerHeks: I will put my system under test and see if it affects. I will report tomorrow, good night
[18:16] <hays> The following packages have been kept back:
[18:16] <hays>   libgnome2-0 linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[18:17] <hays> anyone know what this might be happening?
[18:18] <dougl> quiet time in the channel now?
[18:18] <BluesKaj> hays, mosat likely the dependenies haven't been uploaded to the repos yet
[18:19] <dougl> hays, not too sure
[18:19] <hays> its been doing this for a while
[18:25] <lordievader>  hays What command do you use to update?
[18:25] <hays> apt-get update
[18:26] <lordievader> hays: Try apt-get dist-upgrade. Those updates probably change too much on the system and that is the reason apt-get upgrade keeps them back.
[18:27] <hays> thx
[18:28] <rork> hays, lordievader: the latter two images are the kernel, I guess if it breaks after an update you're in pretty big trouble, hence it's kept back unless you specify the dist-upgrade
[18:28] <lordievader> rork: That is what I ment.
[18:29] <hays> Welcome to Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.2.0-31-generic x86_64)
[18:29] <hays> is there something i should put in sources.list to upgrade this to .10 which apparently is out?
[18:30] <lordievader> hays: Nope, run sudo do-release-upgrade -d to upgrade to 12.10
[18:30] <hays> great thanks
[18:31] <hays> might as well keep this desktop box up-to-date
[18:31] <matt__> When I plug in my USB harddrive, the system sees it but doesn't show files and won't let me access... any ideas?
[18:33] <matt__> "Could not mount the following device: My Passport"   and "An unspecified error has occured - Daemon is inhibited"
[18:33] <hays> hmm  doh.  port 22: host is down.  haha looks like i screwed it up.. time to go local :)
[18:34] <lordievader> hays: I heared the same comment a few days back, running an upgrade from ssh, not a good idea.
[18:38] <xixor> yo, does anyone know if it is possible to change krunners autocomplete key from "End" to "Tab"?  Cheers
[18:39] <lordievader> xixor: To get back to your question of yesterday my main machine is an HP EliteBook 8560w.
[18:41] <hays> lordievader: it actually came back up.. just took a little longer than usual
[18:41] <xixor> lordievader: cool
[18:41] <hays> but i went local for the release upgrade
[18:41] <hays> worth the 10 foot walk
[18:41] <xixor> lordievader: Seems like it has similar specs to my Thinkpad W520
[18:51] <xixor> is it possible to drag windows to a different workspace?
[18:53] <xixor> oh, never mind< if ound the option
[18:55] <mime_1111> hello ppl, when i try to tune a qt app using <app> --bg yellow --fn Ubuntu, the font doesnt change. any help? trhnx
[19:02] <roney> mime_1111: You must use -fn for that.
[19:05] <mime_1111> hey roney, thnx, but i tried -fn with xirod.ttf xirod.xtf and without extensions and with no result, also tried ubuntu and couries with caps also
[19:05] <mime_1111> courier
[19:08] <dougl> what linux should I put on a 10 year old computer - lol
[19:08] <dougl> would 12.10 work?
[19:08] <lordievader> dougl: Specs?
[19:09] <dougl> sempron 2500 1.8 1g nvidia
[19:10] <dougl> not even sure I want to do anything with it except that it is a custom case I painted myself
[19:10] <lordievader> dougl: What do you want to use it for?
[19:10] <lordievader> dougl: Put a server install on it I'd say.
[19:10] <dougl> yeah
[19:11] <mime_1111> also tried -fn Courier:italic
[19:12] <dougl> If I could reinstall xp someone might make use of it for e-mail or something
[19:12] <dougl> xfce
[19:15] <mime_1111> roney -fn downt solve it :O(
[19:15] <mime_1111> doesnty
[19:15] <mime_1111> doesnt
[19:16] <roney> mime_1111: Hum... it's probably because the application is not recognizing the font name.
[19:16] <roney> mime_1111: I never used this feature before.
[19:17] <mime_1111> where do u think is the folder where that app are supose to get the font from? thnx
[19:17] <mime_1111> maybe if i plce it there...
[19:19] <roney> mime_1111: You can also install a tool called qt-config.
[19:19] <mime_1111> ill take a look, thank u for all ur attention
[19:19] <mime_1111> cya all
[19:19] <roney> mime_1111: This way you can change the appearance of your applications without typing these option everytime.
[19:20] <mime_1111> but may that app make an specific one for each?
[19:20] <mime_1111> thats the point
[19:21] <roney> I don't think so. It probably applies the same schema for every app.
[19:21] <mime_1111> well, it would be great! thanks u anyway, and cya
[19:21] <roney> Do you have access to the app's source code?
[19:21] <mime_1111> ok, u mean to enter the cfg or watever name is and where the font is , change it
[19:22] <mime_1111> ?¿?¿
[19:22] <mime_1111> well, im using linux as admin,  i supose it is a yes
[19:22] <roney> You would edit the main.cpp file and type some C++ code then recompile the app.
[19:23] <roney> But you're not a developer, I presume.
[19:23] <mime_1111> nah, im a craky fvwm-crystaler
[19:23] <mime_1111> thats too, but with copy paste or looking at it wont harm me :)
[19:25] <mime_1111> well, i thought it was easy as enter the file, select the font in the text file, and chage it, i will look it, always we can learn
[19:25] <mime_1111> cya
[19:25] <mime_1111> thanks 4 ur tiiimeee!!!
[20:07] <rlmccormick> what is the best way to determine which version of kubuntu I have?
[20:07] <lordievader> rlmccormick: lsb_release -a
[20:08] <rlmccormick> thanks.  should i expect then using the system update tool should install version 12.10? After running an update I am still on 12.04
[20:09] <rlmccormick> sorry, by that i mean the "Update Manager"
[20:09] <lordievader> rlmccormick: Do you mean the upgrade to 12.10 does not show up in Muon?
[20:10] <rlmccormick> lord: i ran "Update Manager" and installed all available updates.  now when i do a lsb_release -a i see version 12.04 still.
[20:10] <lordievader> rlmccormick: Did you reboot after teh update?
[20:10] <rlmccormick> is that the exp
[20:10] <rlmccormick> i did
[20:11] <lordievader> rlmccormick: Hmm there was someone in here earlier with the same problem, try running from a terminal: sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:11] <rlmccormick> will do, thanks
[20:12] <rlmccormick> doing sudo do-release-upgrade tells me "No new release found"
[20:13] <rlmccormick> maybe i will reboot to be sure
[20:21] <hays> I did do-upgrade -d and got this: "The upgrade has completed but there were errors during the upgrade process."
[20:21] <hays> Where can I see the errors to find out if they are serious?
[20:22] <lordievader> hays: It usually lists the errors above the message you gave.
[20:22] <hays> AppArmor parser error for /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd in /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd at line 24: Invalid capability block_suspend.
[20:23] <hays> ooh and a bunch of xorg errors
[20:25] <lordievader> hays: Try to fix the first issue first, you might have a dependecy failure.
[20:29] <hays> lordievader: the errors seemed not-serious enough that a reboot first seemed sensible
[20:30] <hays> Hmm.. Ctrl-Alt-F1 isn't giving me console
[20:36] <hays> lordie http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TpSRMp4r  any thoughts?
[20:37] <hays> should i force it?
[20:37] <lordievader> hays: Could you use my full nick (use autocomplete), did you update your sources?
[20:38] <hays> I ran the do-upgrade thing
[20:38] <lordievader> hays: Yes and now you are trying apt-get -f install, but did you prepend it with apt-get update?
[20:39] <hays> I've not yet done the -f install
[20:39] <hays> I did do apt-get update
[20:39] <hays> then apt-get upgrade gave me that list of errors
[20:39] <lordievader> hays: Ah well, try that first.
[20:40] <hays> holy mother of god that's a lot of packages
[20:41] <lordievader> hays: Lots of packages to be removed, or installed?
[20:41] <hays> a bunch installed, a bunch held back
[20:41] <hays> I'm guessing there will be a dist-upgrade in my future after this is done
[20:42] <lordievader> hays: That is a good procedure.
[20:42] <hays> i am doing this over ssh because i can't seem to bring up a console
[20:43] <hays> which i would think that ctrl-alt-f1 would do
[20:43] <matt___> Can anyone help me sort out my partitions?  Installed from inside windows, now want to remove everything associated with windows and use it all for linux.
[20:45] <lordievader> matt___: Take a look at gparted, the gnome-partition editor.
[20:46] <hays> its been a while doesnt the kubuntu installer guide you through all this
[20:46] <lordievader> hays: Yes it does but I think matt___ is past that stage already.
[20:47] <hays> lordievader: do you happen to know how to get a console from the xorg boot screen?  (I think that's where I am )
[20:48] <lordievader> hays: You have X running but not KDM? Just to get things straight.
[20:48] <matt___> Well past.  I'm in gparted, but trying to sort out the partitions.  there are 4.  There is a fat32 and and NTFS (Mount point "/host")
[20:49] <hays> Well I am not sure exactly. I saw a load screen that looked a lot like it would have been kdm but then it all went blank
[20:49] <lordievader> matt___: I'd say mount them check if there is anything important on there and if not format.
[20:49] <hays> lordievader: there was as debian space boot screen, then a big pale blue kde loader, then it went blank with what seemed like an attempt to change screen mode
[20:50] <lordievader> matt___: It is allways a good idea to make a backup before you start such an operartion.
[20:50] <lordievader> hays: Isn't it a gfx driver failing?
[20:50] <hays> yeah it very well could be
[20:50] <lordievader> hays: Let me put it differently can you switch to tty1?
[20:50] <hays> so i am tying to get to a console
[20:51] <hays> lordievader: cntrl-alt-F1 is ineffective
[20:51] <matt___> Is there a simple way to find which part linux is on? (sda1 or sda2)
[20:51] <hays> your fstab probably would say and also your partition type would be linux i believe
[20:51] <lordievader> hays: Then it is probably a corrupt gfx driver, or at least it has been my experience that when switching sessions fails it is usualy the gfx driver.
[20:52] <hays> lordievader: how would i boot into text mode then
[20:52] <lordievader> matt___: Yes what hays, says check /etc/fstab the one mounted in / is your root.
[20:52] <lordievader> hays: Btw it's ext3/4
[20:52] <hays> matt___: there is also probably a swap partition
[20:53] <hays> lordievader: my knowledge is old.  it used to be just "linux"
[20:53] <hays> and then there was "linux swap"
[20:53] <lordievader> hays: Ingrub you need to select the recovery mode.
[20:53] <hays> ok
[20:53] <lordievader> hays: Now it is simply swap.
[20:54] <mysticalzero> just switched over to kde recently. can you share a window across two activities? been searching for a quite a while but to no avail. for example, i would like chrome to be shared across two activities.
[20:55] <lordievader> mysticalzero: Rightclick the window border -> activities
[20:55] <mysticalzero> lordievader: ah.. nice. how could i missed that. thanks : )
[20:56] <lordievader> mysticalzero: No problem :)
[20:56] <matt___> /host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk /               ext4    loop,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[20:56] <matt___> Is that what I'm looking for?
[20:57] <lordievader> matt___: Did you install Kubuntu using wubi?
[20:58] <hays> i am not sure this upgrade process is ever going to end. :)
[20:58] <lordievader> matt___: On my box it looks like this, it uses a UUID instead of /dev/sdXY: UUID=961df41f-64ea-4bfd-a1e7-141d24e42b9a /               ext4    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[21:00] <hays> apt is teasing me by walking through the alphabet like 4 times
[21:10] <matt_> Installed from wubi, if that changes anything I need to do to figure this thing out...
[21:18] <lordievader> Guest53079: DO NOT REMOVE WINDOWS PARTITIONS.
[21:19] <lordievader> Guest53079: Wubi has some dirty things going and puts the linux stuff on the ntfs partition of Windows, so in other words if you remove that, you remove your linux install.
[21:20] <Obsidian1723> why not just reformat and run Linux only? Unless you game or have some need for which Windows is required...
[21:21] <Guest53079> Obsidian, what I'm trying for.  Want the whole system one format/partition/OS, and linux won... just not sure how to do it now.
[21:22] <lordievader> Guest53079: You need to reinstall the system. During the install you can select the option to use the whole disk. Be sure to back your files up, this action formats the whole disk.
[21:22] <Obsidian1723> Backup your personal data, nuke and pave, reinstall.
[21:22] <Guest53079> How hard to do that from a USB key?  Netbook with no optical drive.
[21:23] <Obsidian1723> Could backup to a networked hard drive perhaps?
[21:23] <Obsidian1723> or get an external hard drive to backup to.
[21:24] <PasNox_> lordievader: Hi again
[21:25] <PasNox_> i'm still having the jbd2 writing to my hard disk and the harddisk never spindown, so i googled a bit, looks like it's a problem of long date with ext4 / jbd2 :/
[21:26] <lordievader> PasNox_: You had solved your noise issue, haven't you?
[21:26] <PasNox_> i was thinking, but it seem not. it write less but it's still there
[21:30] <oneadvent> is anyone else disappointed with lightdm? I just want to install a theme. And where is dual monitor support. This seems unfinished
[21:33] <lordievader> oneadvent: You can allways revert back to KDM.
[21:34] <oneadvent> i might have to
[21:34] <oneadvent> i mean can't even easily change the font color
[21:34] <hays> lordievader: apt-get seems to have gotten stuck.. and now there is a lock on the file and the process is still running
[21:34] <oneadvent> (like if you pick a dark background)
[21:34] <hays> lordievader: how should I recover?
[21:38] <lordievader> hays: I think this will point you in the right direction: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15433/fixing-could-not-get-lock-var-lib-dpkg-lock
[21:42] <koftes> hi
[21:47] <koftes> Changing default applications in KDE can be done through "Default Applications - KDE Control Module".  Does anyone where the file that stores these settings is?  I read somewhere that it's ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals but it turns out that's incorrect.
[21:51] <shadeslayer> koftes:mm
[21:51] <shadeslayer> I can't seem to remember wher
[21:51] <shadeslayer> maybe try .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
[21:52] <shadeslayer> not sure however
[21:52] <koftes> shadeslayer: I'll check that
[21:53] <shadeslayer> have to go, night
[21:53] <koftes> It's not that by the way.  That seems to control file associations.
[21:54] <koftes> Thanks, anyway.
[22:26] <xixor> hi
[22:48] <koftes> later
[23:02] <cannotinstall> hi guys, im trying to install kubuntu 12.04 on my desktop but im getting the error: "udevd[210] timeout: killing /sbin/modprobe -bv pci:" when trying to boot. I have already checked the MD5Sum, and tried a livecd instead of a usb, but get the same result. Any ideas?
[23:14] <xixor> whats going on every body!
[23:29] <xixor> has anyone done much customizing/themes/skins in kubuntu to change the look?
[23:33] <snowman_> I just installed Kubuntu 12.10, and Catfish doesn't work... it says it can't find any typelib for Gtk,Gdk,GdkPixbuf, or Pango
[23:35] <snowman_> Reinstalling didn't help matters... what Gtk packages do I need to install to get Catfish working?
[23:57] <jmichaelx> with the network manager & plasma widget that comes with kubuntu, how is a person supposed to reconnect to a network from which a michine has become disconnected?
[23:57] <jmichaelx> machine*


[12:23] <mbiebl> similar to the system and session bus concept from d-bus?
[12:23] <wasabi_> Yeah.
[12:23] <wasabi_> Basically, just using upstart as a process for managing parallel starts based on event emission.
[12:23] <wasabi_> Which is all it is.
[12:24] <wasabi_> One code base which is efficient at managing child processes and stuff, instead of many.
[12:24] <mbiebl> Well, imo there are more important issues than that atm though.
[12:24] <wasabi_> dbus could use it to do activation.
[12:25] <wasabi_> the system bus could do activation on the system upstart, the session bus could do activation on the session upstart.
[12:25] <mbiebl> complex-event-config being one ;-)
[12:25] <wasabi_> yeah.
[12:25] <mbiebl> pid file support is another.
[12:26] <mbiebl> There are still daemons out there which can't be run in the fg.
[08:33] <cyberix> Does upstart automagically react to changes in inittab?
[08:34] <AlexExtreme> no
[08:38] <cyberix> How can I tell it to react?
[08:38] <wasabi_> upstart doesn't use inittab, does it? heh
[08:38] <wasabi_> So that would be a "you can't."
[08:39] <cyberix> It has a similar configuration file?
[08:39] <wasabi_> /etc/event.d
[08:39] <wasabi_> It's quite different, so no.
[08:41] <cyberix> ok
[08:41] <cyberix> Thanks
[08:42] <mbiebl> wasabi_: The sysv compat layer in Debian/Ubuntu reads /etc/inittab (if existent) to determine the default runlevel.
[08:43] <mbiebl> Otherwise /etc/inittab is not used.
[08:43] <wasabi_> Ahh, but that's not upstart itself as much as one of the job files
[08:43] <mbiebl> Right, It's the rc-default job file.


[00:26] <mark06> how can I know if bzr --uncommit has been performed on a branch?
[00:29] <jelmer> mark06: 'bzr log' will tell you
[00:32] <mark06> where exactly? I though log only showed commits, not undone commits...
[00:33] <jelmer> mark06: well, I meant you can see that a particular revision disappears from "bzr log"
[00:33] <jelmer> mark06: there is no real recording anywhere that an uncommit had previously been done
[00:34] <mark06> but the uncommit is still there, so maybe I could grep/find for something in .bzr?
[00:35] <jelmer> mark06: the revision is there in the repo, but the fact that a child revision of the current head is present doesn't necessarily mean that there was an uncommit
[00:36] <mark06> then I need not to rely on that
[00:37] <mark06> maybe something within .bzr\repository?
[00:37] <maxb> Why do you need to know this? (Tell us more about your use case so we can suggest alternatives)
[00:38] <mark06> I just wanna know
[00:38] <jelmer> mark06: uncommit only touches files under .bzr/branch, and it just resets the branch tip - doesn't do anything else
[00:38] <maxb> There is no explicit record that an uncommit has occurred
[00:40] <mark06> maxb: e.g. bzr commit -am > ctrl+v > "secret info about my new cryptographic system inviolable by spies, which was accidentally pasted from text editor"
[00:40] <mark06> maxb: then bzr uncommit won't actually delete such info
[00:41] <mark06> There is no explicit record that an uncommit has occurred -- ok then I need to recognize the uncommit objects by hand...
[00:41] <maxb> No, you need to understand that there is no such thing as an 'uncommit object'
[00:43] <mark06> *-m
[00:43] <mark06> ok, call it whatever you like
[00:43] <mark06> but it's there
[00:43] <maxb> Actually, it's not there
[00:43] <mark06> it is
[00:44] <mark06> branches growing for no reason in the past
[00:44] <mark06> it was the uncommits
[00:44] <mark06> call it whatever you like
[00:44] <mark06> but the info is there somehow, in some form
[00:45] <jelmer> mark06: there is no such thing as a "uncommit object" - uncommit doesn't create objects
[00:46] <mark06> as I said, you may call it whatever you like
[00:46] <jelmer> it seems like you're possibly referring to the objects left behind in the repository after a branch stops referring to it
[00:46] <mark06> name it like you wish
[00:47] <mark06> info is not deleted, completely deleted at least, when we uncommit
[00:47] <jelmer> mark06: sigh, you're being very sloppy with terminology which makes it hard to understand what you're talking about
[00:47] <mark06> yeah if those are the uncommits
[00:48] <jelmer> I don't have the patience for that, sorry
[00:48] <mark06> if there are other ways to leave these objects unreferenced, then I could try to figure out how to differentiate
[00:49] <mark06> if these unreferenced objects should not normally live within a branch, then I may assume they're likely uncommits and it it does not harm to delete these unreferenced objects, then I could just do it
[00:49] <maxb> There's no reasonable algorithmic way to do that
[00:49] <mark06> ok so will it be harmful just deleting all unreferenced objects?
[00:50] <maxb> I'm curious... how do you think you're going to 'delete unreferenced objects' ?
[00:50] <mark06> rm
[00:50] <mark06> or bzr api
[00:50] <mark06> or bzr api hacks
[00:50] <maxb> Nope
[00:50] <mark06> why
[00:51] <maxb> They're not objects in the filesystem, nor are there bzrlib apis for this
[00:51] <mark06> I need to seek for references and find none?
[00:51] <mark06> then bzr api hacks I think
[00:52] <mark06> are these objects somehow tagged as 'unreferenced' or I need to actually seek for references all though the branch to check it's actually unreferenced?
[00:53] <maxb> I don't think you really understand the bzr storage formats enough, they're fairly append-only
[00:54] <maxb> The functional way to get rid of unneeded objects is to branch what you do want into a fresh repository
[00:58] <mark06> that's what I do, but it's boring...
[00:58] <mark06> needs to push and pull with  --remember
[00:59] <mark06> if I could have a program to go through all branches on a directory tree and just remove or at least report them would be nice...
[01:00] <mark06> I could write a similar program for branching like this instead.... but so ugly...
[01:01] <mark06> but that would be much easier at least...
[01:02] <mark06> mv b b.old; bzr branch b.old b; extract parent and push from b.old's branch.conf; then push --remember; pull --remember...
[01:05] <mark06> even more easier than I thought: grep -E "^(parent|push)_location" b.old/.bzr/branch/branch.conf > b/.bzr/branch/branch.conf :)
[01:08] <mark06> thanks anyway maxb, jelmer


[01:10] <mersault> Hello, I'd like to do a fresh install of mythbuntu 10.10 from my current 9.10, but I'd like to retain my recordings. Assuming the schema hasn't changed much this should be reasonable. Anyone know which mysql tables to dump from the old install and restore in the new one?
[01:24] <jerry_l> hello room
[01:36] <tgm4883> jerry_l, hi?
[01:59] <jerry_l> i was trying to find a good dvr type prgram. i am going to buy a HD usb adapter from best buy and want to record tv in good quality.
[02:16] <formolQC> Hi. I have a "wrong" question, if this could exist : does MythBuntu 10.10 is more easy to install than the previous version ? I've try many time over years to install MythBuntu and I hope the 10.10 version is more easy to install. is it ?
[02:47] <rhpot1991> formolQC: we'd like to think its pretty easy to install compared to what a mythtv install used to be like, if you spoke about the points you had troubles with then maybe someone can tell you if that has improved or not
[02:48] <rhpot1991> formolQC: and stick hover around for a while, people come and go in here so answers aren't always instant
[02:49] <formolQC> hi rhpot1991 , thx for replying.  yes, I'll stay online. But I just discover this irc chat, maybe I'll try again to install Mythbuntu.
[02:50] <rhpot1991> formolQC: I'd say the best approach is to try again, then ask any questions in here
[02:50] <rhpot1991> if you have hardware specific issues then make a thread on them in the forums
[02:50] <rhpot1991> !forums
[02:50] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu forums are located at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301.  If you aren't getting a timely response here, there are lots of very active individuals there that may be able to help.
[02:50] <formolQC> last time I try, my tv card worked with tvtime but I never be able to configure it in 10.04 or 9.10, simply to view backfront/frontend on the same computer. But I saw that driver for my tv card are better with this version, 10.10, of ubuntu than before
[02:51] <rhpot1991> its hard to say if your issues will be resolved or not without knowing them, but I can tell you that I can get my backend/frontend up in 15-20 mins so its pretty darn simple if you have good hardware
[02:52] <formolQC> okay. I'll give a try for sure then.  - and stay on this channel :)
[02:52] <rhpot1991> sounds good, feel free to ask any questions that you have along the way, and good luck
[02:53] <formolQC> thx