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[01:31] <anderson_> olá, uso o lubuntu 16.10, gostaria de saber como eu instalo um tema de janela igual ao osx no openbox.
[19:48] <macgyver1> hi I want to upgrade lubuntu version but It is in greek language so it says continue[vO] details[l] so what to press to continue?
[19:48] <macgyver1> it does not continue
[19:55] <genii> macgyver1: Try Y
[19:55] <macgyver1>  I tried Y and does not continue
[21:46] <f_> hello, I need help with lubuntu 16.04 : i installed vlc and libreoffice and they both got greek characters
[21:47] <f_> unusable for me


[16:19] <Nafallo> ubot2: ping
[16:19] <ubot2> pong
[16:19] <ubot2> another contentless ping... sigh...
[16:20] <Nafallo> tsimpson: 302


[04:11] <Jonni_> nice to meet you
[06:57] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:08] <popey> hi
[07:24] <agent_linux_1520> hi there
[07:25] <popey> hi
[07:25] <agent_linux_1520> hi..h u doin
[07:26] <agent_linux_1520> is any body here
[07:26] <agent_linux_1520> i think all r sleepin
[07:27]  * popey goes back to sleepin
[07:30] <open_source> hiya
[07:30] <ali1234> well this java issue is really starting to annoy me now
[07:31] <open_source> all u need is to update it
[07:31] <open_source> u can try
[07:31] <ali1234> that is precisely the thing that does not work
[07:31] <ali1234> but this is a windows issue, so no surprises that it fails hard
[07:32] <ali1234> microsoft + oracle... it doesn't get any worse than that
[07:32] <open_source> microsoft...:)
[07:32] <open_source> wat a joke
[07:34] <ali1234> the thing is, i can;t install java using the online installer. if you google for this it is an extremely common problem caused by a number of different issues
[07:34] <ali1234> the answer is always the same though: install using the offline installer
[07:34] <ali1234> if i do that, then i can never update it, because updates work the same way as the online installer
[07:35] <ali1234> the odd thing is it worked fine three days ago. today it doesn't
[07:36] <ali1234> since then, oracle released update 6. but it isn't on the downoad pages yet
[07:36] <ali1234> so i dunno if they have screwed up the download servers somehow or what
[07:36] <ali1234> afaict the download pages still point to the same files they did 3 days ago
[07:41]  * AlanBell just cleaned the laptop fan
[07:41] <AlanBell> a 40 minute job involving *lots* of screws
[07:55] <hoover> morning all
[08:06] <christel> morning pretties
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:36] <diplo> Morning all
[08:37] <hoover> Hey diplo
[08:37]  * hoover still cannot connect to is galaxy s3 via mtp on 12.04
[08:37] <hoover> (his)
[08:37] <hoover> I flashed it with CM9, but still no joy 8(
[09:22] <extrasolar> sup peple
[09:22] <extrasolar> people
[09:28] <AlanBell> hi extrasolar
[09:35] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1906/detail/
[09:36] <AlanBell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2012-August/034895.html what do people think about the other things on the list?
[09:36] <popey> like the idea of a global jam
[09:36] <popey> be interested in taking part in that
[09:37] <popey> especially if we can find a decent size venue
[09:37] <popey> room at the maltings?
[09:37] <AlanBell> could do
[09:37] <AlanBell> do the new Canonical offices have any useable section?
[09:38]  * AlanBell has not been invited to visit yet
[09:38] <popey> I'll find out
[09:39] <AlanBell> got an out of office from Marianna when emailing about the launch party
[09:39] <extrasolar> Can you just turn up to these events or do you need to be a sys admin or developer?
[09:39] <AlanBell> just turn up
[09:40] <extrasolar> sweet
[09:40] <AlanBell> most events involve the ability to hold a pint glass (or other glass if preferred)
[09:40] <extrasolar> That's my speciality
[09:41] <AlanBell> the global jam is more computer based, testing and filing bugs and maybe packaging stuff
[09:41] <AlanBell> partly learning, partly doing. All depends on what people want to do
[09:42] <gord> Achievement unlocked: scared by own roomba.
[09:42] <AlanBell> popey: I can't do the thursday/friday of the global jam, Paralympic shifts
[09:42] <popey> AlanBell, marianna will be back start sept, it can wait till then/
[09:42] <popey> ?
[09:42] <popey> (the release party that is)
[09:42] <AlanBell> ok, sure
[09:45] <christel> :)
[09:45] <extrasolar> So a friend wanted to meet me at a tea room in London. As I entered the place every damn table had a macbook on it
[09:46] <AlanBell> that is the native habitat of the macbook
[09:48] <extrasolar> it was a situation I've never been in before
[09:48] <extrasolar> So I got out my cheap acer
[09:48] <extrasolar> :P
[09:57] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:58] <extrasolar> morning
[09:58] <extrasolar> just woke up?
[09:58] <davmor2> To everyone off to oggcamp, Have a great weekend guys 'n' gals
[09:59] <davmor2> extrasolar: nope just started work
[10:00] <extrasolar> what's the daily amount of coffee you shouldn't exceed?
[10:00] <christel> yar, have fun at oggcamp \o/
[10:01] <Laney> 6 music are playing the singing from "Genie in a Bottle" by Christina Aguilera on top of the music from "Hard to Explain" by The Strokes
[10:01] <Laney> it's grim and yet somewhat compelling
[10:08] <mgdm> I heard that one around 2005, I'm sure
[10:09] <mgdm> if not before
[10:09] <mgdm> <-- used to work in a student union doing sound
[10:09] <ali1234> it's much older than that
[10:09] <ali1234> 2002 at least
[10:09] <mgdm> I left there in 2005, so that's the latest I could've heard it :)
[10:09] <mgdm> but I couldn't remember when the originals came out
[10:10] <ali1234> hard to explain was out in 2000 i think
[10:10] <hoover> wohoo, finally I'm able to connect to the SIII using jmtpfs
[10:10] <hoover> had to compile from source (including libmtp), but that wasn't too hard.
[10:12] <Laney> she said it came out in 2001/2
[10:12] <Laney> i feel an urge to hear it again
[10:13] <ali1234> it's called "a stroke of genius" by freelance hellraiser
[10:13] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:19] <hoover> morning brob
[10:19] <brobostigon> morning hoover
[10:21] <AlanBell> http://www.remainsofthegames.co.uk/ lots of interesting stuff to collect from Nottingham
[10:25] <arsen> so i've whacked 12.04 onto an amd box with a quadro 400 something nvidia card in it
[10:26] <arsen> activating two screens seems to give some strange almost elastic behaviour to the cursor transitioning between displays, is that normal now?:s
[10:26] <AlanBell> you can turn it off in the display settings
[10:27] <arsen> orly
[10:27] <arsen> so it's a feature :D
[10:27] <arsen> (thought it was a bug..)
[10:27] <ali1234> it gets harder to tell every day
[10:27] <AlanBell> yes, it is a feature that looks like a bug
[10:28] <AlanBell> anyone running quantal with two displays and got the launcher on only one of them? whatever I do it displays on both screens
[10:28] <davmor2> arsen: it's so you have to deliberately move from one display to another and not do it accidentally
[10:29] <ali1234> actually it's to make revealing the launcher when it is hidden possible
[10:30]  * directhex moos
[10:30] <directhex> moo!
[10:30] <AlanBell> never mind, it works on a guest session, must be something wrong with my profile somewhere
[10:31] <AlanBell> arsen: you can use ccsm to tweak the amount of force required to transition between screens, default is the "erk, how on earth do I get over there?" level of friction
[10:33] <arsen> orly.
[10:33] <arsen> yeah, the thing for me is i run 8 screens and i'm constantly moving around, cant see id want that on by default.
[10:34] <ali1234> why would you even want unity on a setup like that?
[10:34] <arsen> does anyone use ubuntu in the office as a desktop os? ive picked up an environment backed by NIS auth and i'm not a huge fan, but looking for ideas to replace.
[10:34] <arsen> i'm not sure i do want unity on it :p its just out of the box install ali1234  :)
[10:41] <AlanBell> I use it in the office as a desktop OS, but no clever auth stuff going on here
[10:42] <AlanBell> Canonical don't appear to be going in the direction of the office PC very aggressively
[10:43] <arsen> yeah noted.
[10:44] <AlanBell> they do have customers using it in the office, but the development is more consumer focussed and server/cloud stuff
[10:44] <AlanBell> not integrated fleets of desktops
[10:44] <directhex> it's interesting, aiming for consumer
[10:45] <directhex> the "year of the linux desktop" has been a constant disappointment, but the ubuntu app store seems serious, and with steam landing soon, it might just happen that suddenly, desktop linux is worthwhile to the universe
[10:46] <arsen> i like the app store
[10:46] <arsen> i just installed some 2d tux platform game :d
[10:46] <ali1234> yeah. and we only had to fill it with proprietary software and remove any semblance of choice in order to achieve it
[10:47] <directhex> ali1234, who cared about "choice" other than nerds who are statistical noise?
[10:47] <ali1234> you mean the nerds who actually wrote all the software?
[10:47] <directhex> yeah, them
[10:48] <AlanBell> does anyone have a local network of machines that share authentication?
[10:48] <ali1234> sure
[10:48] <ali1234> i can log in to any machine on my network using the same ssh key
[10:49] <AlanBell> so can I because I copied it to all of them
[10:49] <ali1234> \o/
[10:49] <AlanBell> and created a user on each of them
[10:49] <ali1234> define "share" properly then :)
[10:49] <arsen> and how do you get onto your machine to do that?
[10:50] <AlanBell> ok, I have my machine, and three kids have machines, they each have an account on their own machine but each one is a separate individual device, they can't go log onto another machine and get their stuff there
[10:51] <arsen> ^ :)
[10:51] <ali1234> so you want some kind of shared filesystem too
[10:51] <davmor2> popey: check your broadband speeds now too I think you might be surprised for me I went from 28-35 meg to 60 using modem only mode
[10:51] <arsen> the worst thing im enduring at the moment is an entire team's /home being on an nfs share
[10:51] <arsen> = nightmare
[10:51] <AlanBell> yes
[10:52] <AlanBell> would be quite happy if you could sit down at any Ubuntu desktop and log into it with launchpad credentials (or Ubuntu SSO) then Ubuntu One Syncs down the important bits of your profile like the dot files and you just carry on
[10:53] <ali1234> given how slow U1 is, i don't think i would like that
[10:53] <ali1234> especially since it would have to download everything before displaying any kind of UI
[10:54] <ali1234> dotfiles = dconf now anyway
[10:54] <AlanBell> .mozilla isn't dconf
[10:54] <ali1234> the only other thing in there is monstrous stuff like firefox cache
[10:54] <ali1234> you really really really do not want to put firefox cache onto your synced homedir
[10:54] <AlanBell> oh yeah, that is bigger than I thought it was
[10:55] <mgdm> what's dconf? /me hasn't been paying attention
[10:55] <ali1234> it's like gconf only the wheels are a different shape
[10:55] <AlanBell> it is gconf but new
[10:55] <AlanBell> so some things use dconf and some things use gconf
[10:55] <mgdm> yay, brilliant
[10:56] <directhex> we need to unify them
[10:56] <directhex> uconf!
[10:56] <AlanBell> http://xkcd.com/927/
[10:57] <ali1234> someone get lennart on the job
[10:57] <mgdm> ali1234: NOOOOOOOOOOO
[10:58] <extrasolar> Hi I want to log into my system a different way. instead of the gdm I want a terminal log in
[10:58] <extrasolar> any idea how to do this
[10:59] <ali1234> yes.
[10:59] <extrasolar> I use xmonad as a windows display manger
[10:59] <extrasolar> ?
[10:59] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/6357/dont-start-xserver
[10:59] <ali1234> that is probably out of date
[11:00] <arsen> i get the feeling he wants xserver, but not for login?
[11:00] <ali1234> also you shouldn't do that whole "log in on terminal, run X manually" thing
[11:00] <ali1234> it's insecure because you can lock the screen, and then I can just ctrl-alt-backspace and get to your terminal
[11:01] <ali1234> assuming you have turned off dontzap like any sane person would
[11:01] <extrasolar> :o
[11:01] <extrasolar> damn
[11:01] <ali1234> what you should actually do is make a gdn session for xmonad
[11:01] <ali1234> this is not as hard as it sounds
[11:01] <ali1234> *gdm
[11:02] <extrasolar> so you wouldn't recommend this?
[11:02] <ali1234> don't disable the xserver
[11:02] <extrasolar> how about this though http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-disable-x-or-gui-on-boot-in-debian.html
[11:03] <ali1234> yeah same principle applies
[11:03] <ali1234> unless you don't want to use X11 at all, use a login manager, not startx
[11:03] <extrasolar> hmmm
[11:03] <ali1234> http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_Gnome#Ubuntu_Oneiric
[11:03] <ali1234> this is how to do it properly
[11:04] <ali1234> configure the xmonad.session however you want
[11:04] <ali1234> and then login using the normal login manager
[11:04] <extrasolar> hmm well I am actually using debian
[11:04] <ali1234> well they have instructions for debian too
[11:04] <extrasolar> yep
[11:05] <extrasolar> cheers
[11:05] <extrasolar> Why would you want to disbale x or GUI on boot? I only want to do it because it's cool
[11:05] <extrasolar> is there any other coo reason/
[11:05] <extrasolar> practical *
[11:07] <ali1234> well yeah, if you have no monitor cos it's a server and you accidentally installed from desktop cd...
[11:08] <ali1234> you might also want x server installed on a server so you can xhost software from it, but it doesn't need to run a server to do that
[11:08] <ali1234> but it does need most of one installed
[11:09] <extrasolar> ahh ok
[11:09] <extrasolar> well cheers for your help I am off to test
[11:09] <extrasolar> :D
[11:43] <AlanBell> my laptop is nice and cool now I cleaned the fan
[11:43] <brobostigon> :)
[11:53] <Azelphur> directhex / AlanBell got a response from the seller http://pastebin.com/dVaG9uRg
[11:54] <Azelphur> at the bottom is what I'm planning to reply with
[11:56] <arsen> epic. good show Azelphur.
[11:56] <directhex> You're. and the last para seems petty IMHO
[11:56] <Azelphur> directhex: fair enough, will drop it
[11:57] <Azelphur> directhex: where should the you're be?   I am planing to buy a laptop and I want it to be compatiable with ubuntu especially the graphics. I am looking for one with descrete graphics card. any suggestions
[14:37] <popey> Guest74513, my standard answer is "thinkpad"
[14:37] <popey> but you generally can't go wrong with dell these days
[14:37] <popey> pretty much their entire range is certified to run Ubuntu
[14:38] <popey> bug  #1036490
[14:38] <Guest74513> I had a bad experience with switch-able graphics on HP pavilion and ubuntu. do not want to get into that trouble again
[14:39] <Guest74513> popey, is the nividia graphics card better supported on ubuntu?
[14:42] <gord> if it says optimus and its a fairly new gpu, you are gonna have a bad time
[14:43] <aquarius> Guest74513, it might also be worth looking at machines sold with Ubuntu on them. You *know* everything on them will work :)
[14:51] <AlanBell> aquarius: that would be just linuxemporium.co.uk in this country I think
[14:52] <aquarius> AlanBell, system76 will ship internationally, I think. Not sure about zareason
[14:53] <Azelphur> AlanBell / directhex, pwned https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/August/pwned.png :D
[14:55] <Laney> not very nice to publish this guy's address is it :(
[14:55] <Azelphur> Laney: I don't particularly care, he's a scammer (multiple times on ebay)
[14:56] <Azelphur> you don't get no nice treatment when you lie and steal :)
[15:04] <gord> you still shouldn't publish addresses in public like that
[15:04] <gord> not cool
[15:38] <Azelphur> AlanBell / directhex also this is how I'm sending it back like: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/August/IMG_20120817_163323.jpg
[15:38] <Azelphur> :D
[15:56] <AlanBell> what is the scam?
[16:59] <Azelphur> Anyone have experience with PPPay, ebid and escrow? is it really 100%?
[17:04] <Adriannom> hi.  i'm running xubuntu 12.04 and have an NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GS.  i'm using a newer, bigger monitor (HP LP3065) than before but my selection of resolutions is lower than before.  the maximum i can achieve now is 1200x800.  anyone got any tips on diagnosing the problem?
[17:06] <Azelphur> wow that thing is supposed to do 2560x1440, nice monitor
[17:06] <Azelphur> are you using nvidia proprietary?
[17:06] <Adriannom> yeah
[17:06] <Azelphur> oh wait hold on
[17:06] <Azelphur> I'm pretty sure that graphics card won't drive that monitor
[17:07] <Adriannom> heh, well i'm reading your messages on it ;)
[17:07] <Azelphur> Adriannom: not at full res, I mean :)
[17:08] <Adriannom> sure, but would that mean i would be able to use LESS resolutions than before?
[17:08] <Azelphur> well yea, because the aspect ratio changed
[17:08] <Azelphur> and your in an unsupported setup
[17:08] <Adriannom> ok
[17:08] <Adriannom> poo
[17:08] <Azelphur> you need a new card I'd think
[17:09] <Azelphur> I mean I'm not 100%
[17:09] <Azelphur> but I know when I bought my new 2560x1440 monitors they wouldn't work with my 9500GT
[17:09] <Azelphur> so it's unlikely your 2560x1600 will work with a 7300GS
[17:09] <Adriannom> my friend just said he has a spare card
[17:09] <Adriannom> if it'll fit
[17:09] <Adriannom> :P
[17:09] <Azelphur> what type?
[17:10] <Azelphur> yea, cnet says max resolution on 7300GS is 1920x1200
[17:10] <Adriannom> yeah that res is fine by me
[17:10] <Adriannom> but i guess i can't have it with this gfx
[17:10] <Adriannom> anyway his card will definitely run it
[17:10] <Adriannom> so i guess i'll go see if it can fit in my pc
[17:11] <Azelphur> and the monitor requires a dual link DVI connection, as I thought
[17:11] <Adriannom> right
[17:11] <Azelphur> Adriannom: what card is it?
[17:11] <Adriannom> no idea :P
[17:11] <Azelphur> lol
[17:11] <Adriannom> geforce hd 4780x2 he's guessing
[17:12]  * Azelphur facedesks
[17:12] <Azelphur> so basically you don't know
[17:12] <Azelphur> geforce is an nvidia line
[17:12] <Azelphur> hd is a ati line
[17:12] <Azelphur> 4780 doesn't exist anywhere
[17:12] <Azelphur> lol
[17:12] <Adriannom> lol!
[17:13] <Adriannom> it says 4870x2
[17:13] <Azelphur> 4870 exists that's an ATI card
[17:13] <Azelphur> it's also pretty old
[17:14] <Adriannom> it defo works with this monitor
[17:14] <Adriannom> just maybe not my pc
[17:14] <Azelphur> it does apparently support 2560x1600 dual link DVI though
[17:14] <Azelphur> so it should be ok
[17:14] <Adriannom> anyway you've been a great help :)
[17:14] <Azelphur> yw :)
[17:14] <Azelphur> Adriannom: you can get new cards that'd knock the crap outta that for about £40, btw
[17:15] <Azelphur> oh wait, or not it's not as bad as I thought
[17:15] <Azelphur> carry on, you should be fine :p
[17:15] <Adriannom> :P
[17:17] <Adriannom> hm, psu is only 500w
[17:18] <Adriannom> needs, 500w+, 600w recommended
[17:19] <Adriannom> ah well, here goes nothing, thanks again Azelphur
[17:19] <Azelphur> :)
[17:23] <jacobw> MOOO
[17:24]  * Azelphur puts a cow hat on jacobw
[17:25] <jacobw> have you seen my fedora cloak ;)
[17:25] <jacobw> i might as well have a cow hat
[17:25] <jacobw> fridaz means a new episode of 'suits'
[17:29] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:30] <Azelphur> http://uk.ebid.net/help_payments.php#2 this sounds pretty cool
[17:30] <Azelphur> should make it safe to buy from anyone regardless of rep? o.O
[17:34] <jacobw> time is money
[17:35]  * Azelphur is in no rush
[18:39] <jacobw> my /etc/issue has changed to 12.04.1
[18:40] <jacobw> why?
[18:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: whelp, BS&T closed
[18:46] <Azelphur> we shall find out if it's a scam or not on monday
[18:47] <DJones> jacobw: I assume that 12.04.1 Has been released, although I didn't expect that the .1 release until 23rd
[18:47] <jacobw> it's a little worrying to see verion strings changing before planned
[18:48] <DJones> Maybe the release was ready, I've seen 2 different dates, 17th and 23rd
[19:22] <bigcalm_laptop> Ello peeps :)
[19:22] <brobostigon> evening bigcalm_laptop :)
[19:23] <bigcalm_laptop> Hi brobostigon :)
[19:23] <christel> hoi bigcalm_laptop
[19:23] <bigcalm_laptop> Hey hey christel :)
[19:23] <brobostigon> evening christel :)
[19:24] <christel> heya brobostigon \o/
[19:24] <brobostigon> \o/
[19:24] <christel> bigcalm_laptop: did you see there is a HAPPY HOUR IN YOUR HONOUR?
[19:25] <bigcalm_laptop> christel: Indeed, I'm super excited :D
[19:25] <cliftonts> evening all
[19:25] <christel> :D
[19:25] <bigcalm_laptop> christel: did you see that I've been taking video of men's toilets?
[19:25] <christel> excited is good :D
[19:25] <christel> hahaha really?
[19:25] <christel> peeping iain!
[19:26] <bigcalm_laptop> Linked to on Twitter, Facebook and G+
[19:26] <cliftonts> Oh what have I walked in on?
[19:28] <christel> hehe
[19:33] <bigcalm_laptop> What have I missed today by not being at work?
[19:34] <brobostigon> ok, is there an android app, to view and or edit your google contacts, without the normal google apps, and account syncing. ?
[19:36] <christel> bigcalm_laptop: i  bought lots of yarn, you missed that
[19:36] <bigcalm_laptop> christel: I bet you tell a good yawn
[19:36] <bigcalm_laptop> yarn
[19:37] <christel> :o
[19:42] <AlanBell> bit of a freudian slip there bigcalm_laptop
[19:42] <bigcalm_laptop> a,
[19:42] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: I've already been drinking and now typing in the dark ;)
[19:43] <bigcalm_laptop> We're recovering from tea before venturing into the bar for more drinks :D
[19:50] <christel> typing in the dark eh?
[19:50] <christel> oh you're oggcamping, i forgot it was thisw eekend
[19:50] <christel> weekend*
[19:50] <bigcalm_laptop> Yus :)
[19:51] <bigcalm_laptop> We miss you all
[19:51] <christel> aww
[19:51] <bigcalm_laptop> Though we've only met Tony and Laura so far
[19:52] <bigcalm_laptop> I'm guessing that there are other people here based on tweets
[19:52] <Pendulum> christel: how could you forget that oggcamp is this weekend? we have our club, remember?
[19:52] <christel> i know, we are so much more awesome than them
[19:54] <bigcalm_laptop> :O
[19:54] <bigcalm_laptop> This hotel has free wifi, yet I can't get it to work
[19:55] <brobostigon> :(
[19:56] <christel> aww
[19:56] <christel> it is only free for all bar you
[19:56] <bigcalm_laptop> Me and Hayley :(
[20:00] <christel> aww
[20:07] <ali1234> Azelphur: deeeeeerp
[20:07] <bigcalm_laptop> Time to go and have drinks
[20:07] <bigcalm_laptop> Toodles for now :)
[20:08] <christel> enjoy
[20:09] <brobostigon> i just found south park, on the tv, on some obscure channel, called, viva.
[20:09] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha, not derp yet, he seems to want to pay out :)
[20:10] <ali1234> yah but so what? he can't, because he has no money
[20:10] <Azelphur> haha
[20:11] <Azelphur> ali1234: so if he pays out, does that mean I win?
[20:11] <ali1234> if he pays out 100% of everything he owes then yeah i guess
[20:11] <Azelphur> :D
[20:11] <ali1234> to everyone that is
[20:11] <Azelphur> I'm in an account that was one of the first, so I get paid back first
[20:11] <ali1234> if not, you're just a lucky douchebag
[20:11] <Azelphur> front of ze queue :)
[20:12] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:12] <ali1234> congrats for stealing from people eve more gullible than yourself :/
[20:12] <ali1234> anyway i guess we find out soon enough
[20:12] <Azelphur> xD
[20:13] <ali1234> i can't find any information about this
[20:13] <Azelphur> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.0
[20:13] <ali1234> but clearly everyone knows but me. i can tell this by looking at gox chart
[20:14] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:14] <Azelphur> ali1234: price skyrocketing?
[20:14] <ali1234> no, it dropped by about 35% in the past 2 hours
[20:14] <ali1234> $14.7 -> $11.3
[20:15] <Azelphur> haha oh yea
[20:17] <Azelphur> ali1234: lol damn it was £9.8 earlier
[20:17] <ali1234> yeah i sold a couple
[20:17] <ali1234> i figured it was crazy friday
[20:18] <ali1234> and crazy friday always followed by bipolar saturday
[20:18] <ali1234> i didn't really expect this though
[20:18] <ali1234> thought irate had another couple of months left in him
[20:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea I sold some at 8.2 the other day
[20:18] <Azelphur> £570 worth
[20:19] <ali1234> i never trade that much
[20:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: I have a little south of 2k btc :p
[20:24] <ali1234> maybe pirate is actually a genius. imagine if he does this:
[20:24] <ali1234> run a ponzi with btc until breaking point
[20:25] <ali1234> then lock all accounts, sell *all* the btc, and invest the USD ina  brand new HYIP which is obviously also a ponzi, but is brand new
[20:25] <ali1234> then immediately withdraw it a couple of days later, thus making a huge profit
[20:25] <ali1234> then pay everyone back and look like a genius
[20:26] <ali1234> this would also explain the massive dip in btc price
[20:26] <ali1234> it's a huge gamble though
[20:28]  * Azelphur shrugs
[20:48] <Azelphur> ali1234:  lol wtf it's gone back up again
[20:48] <ali1234> dead cat bounce?
[20:49] <Azelphur> apparently so
[20:49] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/intrsngGBP#rg1zig1-minztgTzm1g10zm2g25zv
[20:49] <ali1234> dude, nobody cares about intersango
[20:50] <Azelphur> D:
[20:50] <Azelphur> http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg1zig1-minztgTzm1g10zm2g25zv mtgox says the same just with increased resolution
[20:50] <ali1234> trouble with gox is it always goes really slow at times like this
[20:52] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:52] <Azelphur> ali1234: did you hear my funny phone story btw?
[20:52] <ali1234> yeah
[20:52] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:52] <Azelphur> ali1234: did you hear that I finally got him to pay postage, and see how I'm planning on sending him the phone? :P
[21:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: (22:19:56) pirateat40: ErebusBat, I've signed a contact to do a tell all with a company.  I'm sure you'll see it it soon enough.
[22:00] <directhex> moo.
[22:00] <brobostigon> meep
[22:11] <jacobw> shepp
[22:49] <simplyska> Hey guys, I was wondering if someone could help. My Ubuntu box is connected to my network fine, but for some reason does not have internet access, and I can't figure out what's gone wrong. It's connected via Ethernet. I'm not running a GUI either. Thanks.
[22:53] <brobostigon> simplyska: have you checked it is getting an ip, and dns is working correctly.?
[22:56] <simplyska> Yeah it's getting an ip via dhcp. I can ping localhost, however nslookup localhost seems to time out. I have virgin medias name servers in resolv.conf
[22:57] <brobostigon> any firewall, to block stuff?
[23:02] <simplyska> No only the firewall on my vm superhub, but I've tried disabling that to no avail.
[23:05] <simplyska> Aha I found the culprit, I had it in the MAC filter list for some reason.
[23:05] <simplyska> Cheers for your help
[23:06] <brobostigon> :)
[23:28] <ali1234> jaaaaaaaaaaavaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!


[05:53] <RoAkSoAx> omg everybody in #ubuntu-es is crazy about the release of Hardy !!
[12:22] <cody-somerville> Hey IRC team.
[12:22]  * cody-somerville is here wearing his marketing hat.
[12:22] <cody-somerville> Are we setting up a release "party" channel like we did last time?
[12:23]  * cody-somerville found it. :)
[17:34] <vileda> hi, how do i get a ubuntu cloak?
[17:37] <Myrtti> are you an ubuntu member?
[17:38] <vileda> not yet
[17:42] <no0tic> vileda, ask again when you will be
[17:46] <PriceChild> !member | vileda
[17:46] <ubotu> vileda: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[17:46] <vileda> yes, am already reading it ;)
[18:15] <`legend> download my new war mirc script with nukes --> http://rs97.rapidshare.com/files/91484126/mirc.zip     :)
[18:26] <Myrtti> lol
[18:27] <Myrtti> ompaul: is it safe to go to -ops already?
[18:28] <Seveas> it is
[18:28] <Seveas> you've missed all the fun
[18:28] <Myrtti> I know, but I was feeling nauseous
[18:29] <Myrtti> a bit of food and relaxation on work stuff helped
[18:35] <ompaul> dono
[18:35] <ompaul> ;-(
[18:35] <ompaul> :-) even
[18:48] <Seveas> Myrtti, mythbusters now are doing a myth on seesickness
[18:48] <Seveas> maybe watch that ;)
[18:50] <Myrtti> oh wow


[02:44] <caicaivilu> hola a todos !
[10:03] <niko__> привет всем, подскажите свеженакатаный минт, а как на нем открыть общий доступ к папке,
[10:03] <niko__> ?
[12:16] <deskwizard> Howdy! I asked yesterday morning but in case someone new came along... Any of you seen something like that before? I get this pretty much everytime the machine wakes up from sleep. Fullscreen chrome/chromium, with the nvidia driver. Nouveau driver completely hangs chrome on wakeup. https://image.ibb.co/fOksjF/20170910_082124.jpg
[12:16] <deskwizard> I was having green flickers in VLC when it overlaid the UI so I disabled gpu composition, worked for VLC, I was hoping it'd fix both but no cigar
[12:16] <deskwizard> gpu is a 560ti
[12:18] <ouroumov> deskwizard, haven't seen that no
[12:21] <deskwizard> ouroumov: ah, dang. thanks
[12:22] <deskwizard> figured it was only me again hehehe that damn machine is haunted or something
[12:23] <ouroumov> deskwizard, are you using the base nvidia drivers or the ones in the ppa?
[12:25] <deskwizard> ouroumov: latest from the ppa. tried both the base versions, as well as the previous version in ppa but same thing
[12:27] <ouroumov> deskwizard, do you have intel graphics, and if so do you get hit while using that?
[12:28] <deskwizard> ouroumov: nah, no graphics on that cpu
[12:29] <ouroumov> deskwizard, what version of Ubuntu MATE is it?
[12:29] <deskwizard> ouroumov:  16.04
[12:29] <deskwizard> sorry I should have mentionned that
[12:30] <ouroumov> Do you have the hardware enablement stack? (hwe kernel?)
[12:31] <deskwizard> ouroumov: :| got me there, i don't know
[12:31] <ouroumov> See if this installs anything: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04
[12:35] <deskwizard> ouroumov: latest version installed, I guess I do
[12:35] <ouroumov> Alright, so I'm out of ideas. Next step is to report a bug, but I'm not sure against what.
[12:36] <deskwizard> ouroumov: Thanks for the help, much appreciated
[12:36] <ouroumov> np
[13:24] <Tu13es> I have a raspberry pi running ubuntu mate 16.10.  I noticed recently I don't see any more updates in apt-get.  is it EOL?  if so, is there some change i can make in sources.list to ensure it still receives updates?
[15:17] <ouroumov> Tu13es, yes Ubuntu 16.10 is EOL. But you shouldn't have been running it anyway on a RPi, the only version we provide is 16.04
[15:17] <Tu13es> yeah, i'm not even sure how i got it
[15:17] <Tu13es> i realize i should probably just reimage the sd card, but i figured i should check if there was an easy fix first
[17:51] <sixwheeledbeast> I imagine you have used dist-upgrade or the like at some point?
[19:24] <DarkJarris> Hey guys
[19:25] <DarkJarris> question: what was the command to see why boot takes so long? i seem to recall "systemd --blame"
[19:38] <diogenes_> DarkJarris, analyze blame
[19:38] <diogenes_> systemd-analyze blame
[19:38] <DarkJarris> aha
[19:38] <DarkJarris> i was close :P
[19:39] <DarkJarris> 1min 247ms docker.service
[19:39] <DarkJarris> that.. explains a few things
[19:40] <diogenes_> yeah
[19:41] <DarkJarris> i suppose the times im seeing all add up to total boot time
[19:41] <DarkJarris> cause it takes about 3 minutes before im actually able to use the computer :/
[19:42] <diogenes_> that's too much, within that time you could even forget why you did actually turn your pc for
[19:43] <DarkJarris> is there some fancy command to find why a service takes so long to start?
[19:43] <DarkJarris> like systemd-analyze blame docker.service, or somesuch?
[19:43] <DarkJarris> or do i just run through logs and kinda hope they tell me?
[19:46] <diogenes_> DarkJarris, this might help: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Improving_performance/Boot_process
[19:57] <DarkJarris> the plot function is useful
[19:57] <DarkJarris> give me an idea why it takes so long to even start a service
[19:58] <DarkJarris> gives*
[20:00] <diogenes_> lenovo?
[20:00] <DarkJarris> no, custom build
[20:00] <diogenes_> amd?
[20:01] <DarkJarris> yeah
[20:01] <DarkJarris> AMD a6-6300K
[20:01] <diogenes_> that might be it is it ide or ahci?
[20:02] <DarkJarris> off the top of my head I want to say ahci
[20:02] <diogenes_> are u sure?
[20:03] <DarkJarris> is there a way to check from within linux or should I head into bios and check?
[20:06] <diogenes_> dmesg | grep ahci
[20:06] <DarkJarris> no output, so i presume ide
[20:08] <diogenes_> dmesg | grep ide
[20:08] <DarkJarris> also no output
[20:08] <DarkJarris> lol. the tale of the computer that runs on magic blue smoke.
[20:09] <diogenes_> go to bios and check, if it's ide then it will be slow as a lame snail
[20:09] <DarkJarris> alright. wish me luck :P
[20:10] <diogenes_> :)
[20:17] <DarkJarris> it was indeed on IDE
[20:17] <Tu13es> sixwheeledbeast: yeah, maybe that was it
[20:17] <DarkJarris> ive changed to ahci, and its made no difference in speed unfortunately
[20:18] <diogenes_> changing to ahci results in no bootable media
[20:18] <DarkJarris> huh
[20:18] <diogenes_> it requires reinstallation so the ahci driver is loaded
[20:18] <DarkJarris> well... I booted.
[20:18] <DarkJarris> odd.
[20:18] <DarkJarris> perhaps it switched back then
[20:19] <DarkJarris> well if it did, that explains why theres no change then :P
[20:19] <diogenes_> yeah, one more thing
[20:19] <diogenes_> you could run: inxi -Fxrc0
[20:20] <diogenes_> copy outpiuut to some pastebin
[20:20] <diogenes_> and share the link here
[20:22] <DarkJarris> https://pastebin.com/1gmHF4tD
[20:24] <DarkJarris> netsplit o'clock
[20:29] <diogenes_> well my guess is ide slowing down the boot process since dmesg | grep ahci gives nothing but, any advice here is GPLv2 which means it comes with no warranty, you can try and get the same result ot get the improvement.
[20:30] <DarkJarris> I understand that
[20:32] <DarkJarris> if i upload the result from system-anaylze plot would that provide some insight too?
[20:33] <diogenes_> it only shows the processes time but no insights why
[20:33] <DarkJarris> fair enough
[20:35] <diogenes_> the reasons is mostly the hardware
[20:37] <DarkJarris> i was hoping it wasnt, cause i know its old and I hoped it was just that i'd pressed a button or something easily solved :P
[20:38] <DarkJarris> the computer must be 6 years old, and it wasnt exactly amazing when it was new either
[20:39] <diogenes_> hehe you watch too much anime :) no magic wands
[20:40] <DarkJarris> i'd be happy to reinstall (this time with ahci) but i remember getting steam to actually work was such a bitch the way valve ship their own broken libraries
[20:41] <DarkJarris> might be a project for later this week
[20:42] <diogenes_> yeah, our entire life if nothing but a small rest among huge decisions
[20:44] <DarkJarris> so, heres a question that might not have a good answer: if i reinstall should I just throw on ubuntu MATE, or install ubuntu server, then install x.org, mate-desktop, and the programs I want?
[20:44] <DarkJarris> I feel like the server method is more "bloat free"
[20:44] <DarkJarris> buti also feel that getting steam and a full desktop to work would be a bit more of a pain in the ass
[20:46] <DarkJarris> my hunch says that things like graphics drivers will be a bit more of a pain because servers dont usually have them
[20:46] <diogenes_> that question is more of a taste and choice, whenever you have free time and try desperately to find what to fill up your time with, then you can try that
[20:46] <DarkJarris> true, its mostly a subjective question
[20:47] <DarkJarris> though free time is something I never seem to have much of
[20:48] <DarkJarris> though to be fair, i put the regular mate disc in my laptop and it didnt have a lot of rubbish on there by default
[20:48] <DarkJarris> so maybe im making up a problem that doesnt really exist to any real degree
[20:49] <DarkJarris> yeah, i'll just throw the disc in and do it that way
[20:50] <DarkJarris> in fact, i'm pretty sure i have another hard drive i can use. i might just swap them out and do it now
[20:50] <DarkJarris> i can always connect it to copy data off when i need it
[20:50] <diogenes_> good luck
[20:51] <DarkJarris> plus if it goes wrong i can jsut reinstall the drive
[20:51] <DarkJarris> the ultimate backup
[20:51] <DarkJarris> :P
[21:00] <DarkJarris> so i forgot to account for the time to write the iso to usb
[21:00] <DarkJarris> 15 MB/s, gunna be a few minutes
[21:01] <DarkJarris> i usually have a few dvds handy, but i seem to missing a MATE one
[21:01] <DarkJarris> though its nice to know that ive still got my ubuntu 8.10 disc >.>
[22:03] <DarkJarris> Startup finished in 5.551s (kernel) + 20.858s (userspace) = 26.409s
[22:03] <DarkJarris> my god, so much better
[23:17] <gvghjlkc> Is there a better way than command lsusb for someone who wants to know whether his old laptop has 1.1 or 2.0 usb ports?
[23:19] <DarkJarris> obvious question: does the tech specs of the laptop online not say?
[23:19] <_Anna_> He said he has lost the manual...oh you said the online one! Wait a sec
[23:20] <DarkJarris> :P
[23:27] <_Anna_> I can't find it online. Toshiba Tecra A10-11M is quite old :-(
[23:28] <DarkJarris> oh man, toshiba
[23:28] <DarkJarris> i have a deep and personal hatred of toshiba
[23:28] <_Anna_> what? why?
[23:29] <DarkJarris> probably irrational, every peice of hardware theyve made that i've owned has died within a year
[23:29] <DarkJarris> i might jsut be unlucky
[23:29] <DarkJarris> im half convinced i have a toshiba killing aura around me
[23:30] <_Anna_> This laptop is 7 years old and it's still working, so...
[23:33] <DarkJarris> hm, the tech specs dont mention usb at all
[23:34] <DarkJarris> http://www.toshiba.co.il/en/discontinued-products/tecra-a10-11m/
[23:35] <DarkJarris> lsusb might be the best option really
[23:35] <DarkJarris> or "lspci"
[23:36] <DarkJarris> this could also help: https://serverfault.com/questions/96663/how-to-determine-usb-version-1-1-or-2-0
[23:36] <_Anna_> It has 3 ports. lsusb command show me both the numbers 1.1 and 2.0 and that's confusing. Is it the one or the other? I thought it was 2.0 but when I tried to change settings on a virtualbox machine from 1.1 to 2.0 it said "invalid settings detected"!
[23:38] <DarkJarris> i *beleive*, and note that im just hypothesising here, that its saying both for backwards compatibility
[23:38] <DarkJarris> i don't actually *know* though
[23:39] <_Anna_> That means it's 2.0. Then why VirtualBox can't see it?
[23:40] <DarkJarris> have you installed the Oracle VM Extension Pack?
[23:41] <_Anna_> I don't know. I have installed what was included in the downloaded package.
[23:42] <DarkJarris> ok, you probably havent then, its an extra part
[23:42] <DarkJarris> thats the way forward though
[23:43] <_Anna_> vb version 5.0.40
[23:43] <_Anna_> from the software center
[23:43] <_Anna_> Do I need to visit oracle's site then?
[23:44] <DarkJarris> I'm just installing VB myself to check
[23:44] <DarkJarris> I'm fairly sure its in a menu
[23:44] <DarkJarris> otherwise you can install it from oracles site
[23:45] <DarkJarris> *download
[23:46] <_Anna_> I think I found it ---> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[23:47] <DarkJarris> so, you install that in the guest OS, and it will enable some stuff like seamless mode, auto resize screen, and usb 2.0
[23:47] <DarkJarris> its coming back to me
[23:47] <DarkJarris> and probably a few other things that i havent used
[23:48] <_Anna_> in the guest?
[23:48] <DarkJarris> yes
[23:48] <_Anna_> oh... that's why it wasn't included in the original package!
[23:49] <DarkJarris> with the guest running, one of the options along the top will be to install the extras
[23:49] <DarkJarris> itll then ask you for the downloaded package on the host
[23:49] <DarkJarris> and away you go
[23:50] <_Anna_> I haven't installed the guest yet, but the mystery is solved. Thank you.
[23:50] <DarkJarris> no problem