[02:43] <RikMills> vorlon: is it possible to get a quick ack on LP: #2031844
[02:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2031844 in plasma-framework (Ubuntu) "[FFe] KDE frameworks 5109.0 into Mantic archive" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031844
[02:44] <RikMills> should have been released last saturday, but release manager was not available to do so
[02:44] <RikMills> so it got released a few hrs ago
[06:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted samba [source] (lunar-proposed) [2:4.17.7+dfsg-1ubuntu2.1]
[06:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted multipath-tools [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.8.8-1ubuntu2.1]
[06:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted multipath-tools [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.8.8-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[06:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted multipath-tools [source] (focal-proposed) [0.8.3-1ubuntu2.2]
[06:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nfs-utils [source] (focal-proposed) [1:1.3.4-2.5ubuntu3.5]
[08:31] <_doko> tsimonq2: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debmirror/1:2.38ubuntu1/+build/26476753  looks like a missing b-d
[08:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added xcb-util-cursor to i386-whitelist in mantic
[11:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added scdoc to i386-whitelist in mantic
[11:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added seatd to i386-whitelist in mantic
[12:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added neatvnc to i386-whitelist in mantic
[12:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added aml to i386-whitelist in mantic
[13:39] <cjwatson> ubuntu-archive: Could I have a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/ubuntu-archive-publishing/site-name/+merge/449444, please?
[15:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: codec2 [i386] (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[16:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: codec2 [armhf] (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[16:08] <teward> ubuntu-archive and tech board: for your attention https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fortune-mod/+bug/1998416 looks like a package that has some major CoC violations for your erasure consideration
[16:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1998416 in fortune-mod (Ubuntu) "fortunes-off should be removed from the archive" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[16:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: codec2 [amd64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[16:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: codec2 [s390x] (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[16:17] <jbicha> teward: that was already handled for Ubuntu 23.04. I've updated that bug report
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: codec2 [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[16:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: codec2 [riscv64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[16:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: codec2 [arm64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[16:25] <teward> jbicha: thanks.  i think they want it retro-removed for CoC violations though
[16:28] <teward> i.e. from the other releases it is in
[16:39] <jbicha> teward: I don't think you need the Tech Board or Archive Admins for that. I think usual practice would be to replace it with an empty binary package in -updates
[16:40] <teward> well THAT I can do xD  but the core argument is the source code is equally offensive so if we're doing a full cleanup then wouldnt that be effectively a dummy package with no content and just replacing binary output with dummy scripts?
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted codec2 [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted codec2 [armhf] (mantic-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted codec2 [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted codec2 [s390x] (mantic-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted codec2 [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted codec2 [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted codec2 [i386] (mantic-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[16:42] <jbicha> teward: that wasn't done for lunar, but you could create a new stripped .orig tarball to use for mantic & the SRUs if you want
[16:43] <teward> ye i think i'll take that into my list of things to do.
[16:44] <jbicha> it could also be NMU'd into Debian that way
[18:07] <teward> jbicha: i'd do that in Debian, but right now I don't have a DD who can sign my *new* PGP twice in order for me to change my keys.
[18:08] <teward> the yubikey that had my Debian key... kind of got destroyed.
[18:08] <teward> so i don't have a PGP key for Debian right now, and since I can't *sign* my own key with my old key, I need two DDs to sign and validate my keys for that
[18:08] <jbicha> you can get a sponsor for a NMU :)
[18:08] <teward> yes I can
[18:08] <teward> but i'm slow
[18:09] <teward> let me get this in Ubuntu first before I shove my face into Debian NMU
[18:09] <teward> (i don't see a removal bug in Debian though for this?)
[18:09] <teward> (unless i'm blind)
[18:10] <jbicha> Ubuntu's package is in sync with Debian so it has the same bugs Ubuntu's has. It looks like the package is "maintained" via NMU now but yes, a Debian bug would be helpful for sponsoring & explanation
[18:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rsync (focal-proposed/main) [3.1.3-8ubuntu0.5 => 3.1.3-8ubuntu0.6] (core, i386-whitelist)
[18:29] <teward> jbicha: any chance you have a copy of the Debian policies regarding packages and profanity around?  Or should I contact Debian Community people about it :P
[18:29] <teward> still have to load a dead version for the updates in Ubuntu so :p
[18:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: systemd (lunar-proposed/main) [252.5-2ubuntu3 => 252.5-2ubuntu3.1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[18:32] <jbicha> teward: considering that the lunar change was also done in Debian (check the changelog), there's no practical difference in Debian's perspective here
[18:32] <teward> lunar change i.e. removal?
[18:32] <teward> or nulling of content?
[18:33] <teward> because this might just be a straight removal candidate
[18:34] <teward> wait ther'es a questionability bug already from last year
[18:36] <jbicha> you can't remove the source package & remaining binary packages as long as things still Depend on them
[18:40] <teward> mmm true.  i'll dig into this further for the sru because an sru to the package as specified would likely break the dependencies too
[18:41] <teward> i've emailed debian-devel and debian-project about this to bring it back to the forefront of things that need attention
[18:41] <teward> i'll poke the SRU stuff here on our end after food and over the next couple days
[18:45] <jbicha> the binary package fortunes-off doesn't have any reverse dependencies
[18:55] <bdmurray> vorlon: can you remove ubiquity from focal-proposed? It didn't make 20.04.6.
[19:47] <vorlon> is that the one that was the rebuild we didn't need?
[19:49] <bdmurray> "Automatic update of included source packages: shim-signed 1.40.9." so yes?
[20:00] <vorlon> bdmurray: done
[20:04] <vorlon> teward: that bug was filed after the bug it was a duplicate of was already fixed.  I don't think there's anything further we should be doing here.  If someone had a specific proposal for an SRU I would evaluate it
[20:05] <vorlon> however a normal SRU process is not archive surgery, and would not remove the existing binary packages that are distributed for releases <= jammy on our mirrors
[20:26] <teward> vorlon: ack.  i see that jbicha commented on the bug but it came up in Flavors Support on the Telegram which is why it's once again on the list.
[20:30] <teward> i mentioned that a retroactive removal doesn't normally happen.  jbicha's "strip those components out of the tarball" and replace with dummy binary packages for the one we're erasing would be the only option provided we're not having to recompile any other binaries but there are rdeps on the package so.
[20:30] <teward> but if there's none for -off then that's easier.
[20:30] <teward> i'll just watch it for now
[21:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (jammy-proposed/main) [2.765.23 => 2.765.24] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[22:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openvpn (jammy-proposed/main) [2.5.8-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.5.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[22:31] <vorlon> teward: also, we already had the discussion about fortune-mod on debian-project. :|  https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2022/11/msg00023.html
[22:31] <teward> vorlon: corresponding bug for it that was opened *since* then is unactioned so
[22:31] <teward> at least according to BTS
[22:32] <vorlon> I don't know which bug that is.  The fortunes-off package was removed in 1:1.99.1-7.2
[22:32] <vorlon> I guess Debian bug #1024501 that you reference?
[22:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1024501 in fortune-mod "fortune-mod: Remove fortune-off data files from fortune-mod as inappropriate for Bookworm release" [Important, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1024501
[22:32] <teward> yep
[22:32] <vorlon> ok
[22:32] <teward> was about to copy/paste that in :p
[22:33] <vorlon> well, I don't think another round on debian-project/devel helps, someone could've just made those changes
[22:35] <teward> vorlon: i didn't have the info that you just shared, changelog didn't seem to show it when i did a cursory look but i'm also up to my neck in "s*** be broke" for work because there's a ton of crap on 14.04 and older machines.
[22:36]  * vorlon nods
[22:36] <teward> so today's been a "unbreak the stuff and upgrade OS" so i apologize if my email was unexpected, but a simple reply would've addressed that *from anyone* on the Debian side.  Or from our side.
[22:36] <teward> just sayin :P
[22:37] <teward> vorlon: thanks for updating me on the info though, feel free to mark that bug in BTS if you want.
[22:38] <vorlon> teward: well, that bug report is asking for removing the files from the source and is still valid (and that was what the submitter was reporting a bug about) so I guess I don't have anything to add
[22:39] <teward> well i am doing poking on the package for SRU work, so if those are the only files that need removed I might go for an nmu sponsored approach to fix the bug as marked.
[22:39] <teward> vorlon: which i will note is what the latest dupes of the bug on Ubuntu about 'being fixed' is about
[22:40] <teward> because the problem is -off is in LTS, etc. and people were whining about *that* which is one of the problems.
[22:43] <teward> vorlon: i assume that retroactive SRU to remove the source code components in question would solve that concern?  since -off is already gone from binary and such applying that change retroactively in -updates and stripping those code components might address that front.
[22:43] <teward> as jbicha suggested
[22:43] <vorlon> teward: as I said, an NMU is not archive surgery and will not remove the existing packages from the release pocket
[22:44] <vorlon> er I meant SRU not NMU sorry
[22:44] <vorlon> so if you're trying to satisfy critics who say "Ubuntu distributes offensive garbage", an SRU doesn't achieve that
[22:45] <teward> right
[22:45] <teward> i'll make a note on that


[00:18] <joaojotta> WOW!
[00:18] <joaojotta> I think I got it!
[00:19] <joaojotta> From a Fedora Gnome forum, actually!
[00:19] <joaojotta> sudo nano /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme
[00:20] <joaojotta> Then change the name of the theme because, apparently, XFCE gets confused.
[04:09] <eikon81g> bluesabre, you available by chance?
[04:09] <Unit193> No he's married.
[04:09] <eikon81g> man, there goes my plans!
[04:09] <eikon81g> smh..
[04:09]  * eikon81g walks away sad
[04:09] <eikon81g> Unit can I bug you for a sec?
[04:10] <eikon81g> It's a noob question about a file I have in "/ "
[04:11] <eikon81g> I put it there using a command and it is owned by root and I have been trying to use chown and I keep getting no such file or directory
[04:11] <eikon81g> and I'm sure it's syntax but I don't understand what I am doing wrong..
[04:11] <Ullarah> sudo chown filehere
[04:11] <Ullarah> Or sudo chown username: filehere
[04:12] <eikon81g> sudo chown eikon81g /Disney_Epic_Mickey_2_-_The_Power_of_Two_[SERF4Q\].wbfs
[04:12] <eikon81g> ok let me change that
[04:12] <Ullarah>  > wbfs :P
[04:12] <Ullarah> I know what that is, you naughty minx.
[04:12] <Ullarah> Anyway.
[04:12] <eikon81g> I keep getting no such file or directory..
[04:12] <eikon81g> LOL Ullarah since you know what I am doing you are on the naughty list TOO
[04:12] <eikon81g> :)
[04:13] <Ullarah> :P
[04:13] <Ullarah> sudo chown eikon81g:
[04:13] <Ullarah> Or literally go into the root user and mv the file elsewhere
[04:13] <eikon81g> but it's weird because I am in the dir and I used ls to type the file name character for character
[04:13] <eikon81g> it's case sensitive right?
[04:14] <eikon81g> AHh genius. Whatever they are paying you I will pay double. LOL (just kidding, but seriously.) LOL
[04:14] <Ullarah> eikon81g, try: sudo chown -v eikon81g: /*.wbfs
[04:14] <eikon81g> ok let me try
[04:15] <eikon81g> freakin wizard.. I hate to love ya!
[04:15] <eikon81g> lol
[04:15] <Ullarah> It worked?
[04:15] <eikon81g> yes sir.
[04:16] <Ullarah> Good stuff! :)
[04:16]  * eikon81g buys Ullarah a beer
[04:16] <Ullarah> Now don't move stuff in / again! :P
[04:16] <eikon81g> It was another syntax fail!!
[04:16] <Unit193> Well, I'm back now, not that it helps.
[04:16] <eikon81g> lol I was using WIT (Wiiiso stuff) and boom
[04:16] <eikon81g> there ya go. another bit of magic if you will
[04:17] <eikon81g> Thanks Unit193 Ullarah rescued :)
[04:17] <Ullarah> I think there is a cp/mv tester you can run if you are unsure about your syntax.
[04:17] <Ullarah> But I could be wrong.
[04:18] <eikon81g> cp/mv tester?
[04:18] <Ullarah> As in it'll show you where it's going to copy/move from and copy/move to, without actually doing it.
[04:18] <eikon81g> it's odd, the terminal said the permission and group changed but the file is still owned by root:root... :\ my celebrtion was in vain!
[04:18] <eikon81g> ok I will check on that, I need it.. LOL
[04:19] <eikon81g> I am learning bit by bit
[04:19] <Ullarah> There was a program called 'ecp', last time I used that was about 10 years ago :P
[04:19] <eikon81g> oh man, I would have been 18.. the good ole days..
[04:20] <eikon81g> that's when I should have been doing this! smh. It was even harder back then, things have gotten MUCH more user friendly since I last tried to dive in
[04:20] <Ullarah> eikon81g, if you want to do more testing, try, http://www.tutorialspoint.com/execute_bash_online.php
[04:21] <Ullarah> Plenty of other tools too, http://www.tutorialspoint.com/codingground.htm
[04:22] <eikon81g> roger that I am book marking now..
[04:22] <eikon81g> I think I am going to try your nifty wizard trick and log in as root and dump them that way brb
[04:23] <eikon81g> thanks again both of ya!  :) Brb
[04:29] <eikon81g> BiNgO* YahtZee**
[04:29] <eikon81g> lol thanks again yall
[04:31] <eikon81g> Now that that crisis is averted and I learned some today I am going to call it quits. Ullarah , Unit193 , bluesabre .. See yall next time I appreciate the schooling as always
[04:31]  * eikon81g humbly bows
[04:31] <eikon81g> night all
[04:31] <Ullarah> No worries at all.
[04:31] <eikon81g> :)
[15:24] <GeekDude> Xubuntu does remove the ubuntu spyware, right?
[15:25] <GeekDude> I don't see how it wouldn't, seeing as it doesn't even have the unity search, but there's no harm in asking
[15:37] <GridCube> GeekDude: ubuntu doesnt have spyware, and xubuntu doesnt use unity so there are no lenses, thats what you might be asking
[15:37] <GridCube> dont spread ignorance GeekDude
[15:37] <GeekDude> I've read that they collect your file search queries and use them in conjunction with amazon to display targeted ADs
[15:37] <GridCube> you need to read more
[15:38] <GeekDude> Are you saying that I've been misinformed?
[15:39] <GeekDude> I've read articles and watched videos with Richard Stallman talking about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc
[15:42] <GeekDude> I figured that Stallman was a reliable source of information, but if I'm wrong in that I apologize for my ingorance
[15:42] <GeekDude> ignorance*
[15:46] <hggdh> GeekDude: RMS exaggerated quite a bit
[15:47] <GeekDude> I'm not sure what could be considered hyperbolic about that statement, it seems pretty binary to me. Either they collect information and share it with amazon, or they don't
[15:50] <hggdh> GeekDude: this discussion, I am afraid, will be off-topic here (it will depend on meaning of words and concepts, approaching, quite fast, religious hermeneutics)
[15:51] <ilciavo> hello
[15:51] <slickymasterWork> !hi | ilciavo
[15:52] <ilciavo> can someone help me out with an installation on a MacBook late 2009?
[15:57] <toto2> When I put the cursor on the close icon (firefox tab), I have this black thing without anything in it. http://s16.postimg.org/hcnaj0ceb/Capture_d_cran_13032015_16_55_17.png Is it a bug?
[15:59] <toto2> join #firefox
[16:00] <toto2> *sorry I'm using Xubuntu 14.10
[16:45] <phre4k> if I de-tick the setting "lock screen on screensaver" in light locker settings, it still locks the screen. Why is that? Could that be because I have winbind auth?
[17:30] <daidwister> @ilciavo
[17:31] <daidwister> take your backups, efter that refind is your friend
[17:33] <daidwister> do you plan to keep mac os as a multiboot environment?
 нуы
 yes
[17:35] <daidwister> i guess you have one disk containing uefi, macos recovery and macintosh hd?
[17:36] <daidwister> boot mac osx and run diskutil list from terminal
[17:37] <alx01> Hello.I deleted the xfce.desktop and ubuntu.desktop files (in a try to stop loading the same saved session every time i boot) and cant log in now.Any recomendations on how to proceed?
[18:22] <qopas2> alx01: sudo apt-get --reinstall install xubuntu-default-settings
[18:22] <qopas2> idk for ubuntu.desktop though.
[20:13] <msevph_> How come i cant start one executable by simply double clicking it, i have to drag it into the terminal?
[20:16] <brainvvash> msevph_, nothing happens at all when double clicking it?
[20:16] <msevph_> Yup
[20:16] <msevph_> Doesnt start
[20:16] <msevph_> But when i drag it into terminal and press enter it starts fine
[20:17] <brainvvash> and if you drag it to the desktop + click it?
[20:19] <msevph_> Hmm ill try that
[20:22] <msevph> Nope nothing happens
[20:25] <msevph> Any more ideas brainvash?
[20:31] <Yavuz> hello
[20:33] <brainvvash> msevph, did it work before?
[20:33] <msevph> No, it works on another machine tho
[20:33] <brainvvash> same thunar version?
[20:35] <brainvvash> you could run "killall Thunar; thunar" in a terminal window and try again
[20:35] <msevph> Probably not same thunar
[20:35] <brainvvash> this may generate a warning/error message when double clicking the executable file


[12:35] <siimo> hi any gutsy users here? :P
[12:36] <siimo> you gotta be gutsy to use gutsy
[12:37] <borschty> ;)
[12:37] <borschty> just got nothing better to do ;)
[12:37] <siimo> heheh
[01:27] <DanaG> wpa_supplicant(7865): Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out.
[01:27] <DanaG> It's an open AP.
[01:33] <crimsun> I'm not sure why you pasted that
[01:33] <crimsun> are you implying there's a problem with wpasupplicant? with your wifi driver (Linux)? with network-manager? with your open AP?
[01:45] <DanaG> Oh, now it's working.
[01:45] <DanaG> I'm at a hotel, and apparently their AP is really unreliable.
[01:50] <DanaG> Yay, 10 kiloBYTES per second.
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> meh
[02:52] <bluefoxicy> when i enable desktop effects in Feisty, the window title bars vanish (bye bye window manager)
[02:56] <DanaG> nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals
[04:34] <crimsun> gavinbaker: you'll need to install gutsy's kernel to test
[04:34] <gavinbaker> :-/ is it going to break other things?
[04:34] <crimsun> it could.
[04:34] <crimsun> the alternative is to have you compile alsa-kernel + alsa-driver hg.
[04:35] <crimsun> either way, you're going to have to do some work.
[04:35] <gavinbaker> that's reassuring :(
[04:35] <crimsun> that's the way HDA development works
[04:36] <crimsun> I just spent a couple hours working out a one-line fix for someone else's new X-Fi Extreme Audio
[04:36] <crimsun> there's no way things will always go smoothly, because new hardware will always be unsupported at some point
[04:36] <gavinbaker> there seem to be many, many others with the same hardware
[04:36] <gavinbaker> from all the forum posts + bugs
[04:37] <crimsun> yeah, well, all you see is the complaints.  You don't see the time we're putting in.  Not that I mean to sound bitter.
[04:37] <gavinbaker> i'm sure it's not the most fun thing in the world
[04:37] <gavinbaker> but you think that getting the new kernel will clear things up?
[04:37] <crimsun> no, I don't know that for certain.
[04:38] <crimsun> choose one of the routes, and I can get you up to speed.
[04:38] <gavinbaker> well, let's give gutsy's kernel a shot.
[04:38] <gavinbaker> what's the worst that can happen, right? ;)
[04:38] <crimsun> to be honest, you stand a better chance of sound working with hg.
[04:38] <gavinbaker> well, maybe we should do that, then
[04:39] <crimsun> and there's a lower likelihood that other things will break, since the update will be restricted to sound/
[04:39] <crimsun> ok, the first thing you need to do is install build-essential, linux-headers-$(uname -r), automake1.7, autoconf, libtool, and mercurial
[04:40] <crimsun> afterward, you need to execute the following commands: hg clone http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel alsa-kernel && hg clone http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver alsa-driver
[04:41] <gavinbaker> feisty repositories ok?
[04:41] <crimsun> afterward, you need to execute the following commands _inside the alsa-driver directory_: ./hgcompile --with-cards=hda-intel --with-oss=yes --with-sequencer=yes --with-kernel=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build && make && sudo make install-modules
[04:42] <crimsun> gavinbaker: yes, feisty repo is fine.
[04:44] <crimsun> afterward, make sure you remove any lines you've added to /etc/modprobe.d/* regarding snd-hda-intel (particularly ones specifying model=)
[04:44] <crimsun> after that, you should reboot.
[04:44] <gavinbaker> ok, everything installed. executing hg commands
[04:47] <gavinbaker> crimsun: hg commands executed. where should i run ./hgcompile, etc.?
[04:48] <gavinbaker> p.s. crimsun: thanks in advance
[04:49] <crimsun> gavinbaker: I've given you the directions that you need.
[04:49] <crimsun> 22:41 < crimsun> afterward, you need to execute the following commands _inside the alsa-driver directory_: ./hgcompile --wi[..]
[04:49] <gavinbaker> right. pretend for a moment i don't know where the alsa-driver directory is...
[04:50] <crimsun> it's below your $(pwd)
[04:50] <crimsun> i.e., in ./alsa-driver/
[04:50] <gavinbaker> ah, there it is. thanks
[04:56] <gavinbaker> crimsun: commands executed. i commented out the line added to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base setting model=. restarting
[04:57] <crimsun> so many people just want stuff to magically work  </sigh>
[05:00] <gavinbaker> crimsun: i got the bongo roll at startup, so that's a good sign :)
[05:00] <gavinbaker> output from laptop speakers still work. testing headphones
[05:00] <gavinbaker> ah. so sad. nothing :(
[05:00] <gavinbaker> thanks anyway
[05:01] <crimsun> boot with them plugged in
[05:01] <crimsun> and make sure you've adjusted the mixer controls...
[05:01] <gavinbaker> yeah, i just thought to check that
[05:02] <gavinbaker> no problems with mixer
[05:03] <gavinbaker> booting
[05:07] <gavinbaker> crimsun: booted with phones plugged in. (phones work.) mixers are ok. no output from phones
[05:08] <gavinbaker> eh, it was a good try :)
[06:34] <crimsun> gavinbaker: ok
[06:35] <crimsun> gavinbaker: and this is _without_ model= specified, correct?
[06:35] <gavinbaker> crimsun, right, i commented that out
[06:36] <gavinbaker> so i guess, from that perspective, the new version is superior, because it finds the right model automagically
[06:36] <gavinbaker> but jack out still produces no sound
[06:36] <crimsun> rerun the script, please.
[06:36] <gavinbaker> i could test whether sound now works upon resume from hibernate
[06:37] <crimsun> don't mean to sound rude, but that's not my concern ATM
[06:37] <crimsun> I'd much rather dig the pins that need to be tweaked for HP out if that's in fact not a bios issue
[06:47] <crimsun> gavinbaker: any progress on that rerunning that alsa-info.sh script?
[06:48] <crimsun> right, grammar shot after midnight.
[06:49] <gavinbaker> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/532456
[06:49] <gavinbaker> brb
[06:56] <crimsun> well no wonder
[06:56] <crimsun> there's no indication of whether the jack sense is active
[06:56] <crimsun> and since it defaults to muted...
[06:57] <crimsun> gavinbaker: I need another pastebin of that script with the headphones plugged in (or unplugged - whatever the opposite of 532456)
[06:58] <DanaG> Hmm, in about two weeks, I'll deal with posting a report on the "kernel oops upon toggling capture".
[06:58] <crimsun> with feisty (2.6.20-16.28) or gutsy (2.6.22-6.13)?
[07:28] <gavinbaker> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/532561  -- with phones plugged in
[07:33] <crimsun> right, much as I suspected.
[07:33] <crimsun> no jack sense info at all.
[07:35] <crimsun> what's the make & model of the machine?
[07:35] <gavinbaker> crimsun: Toshiba Satellite L35-S2171
[07:37] <crimsun> gavinbaker: ok, close everything using sound - including the mixer applet in the top right panel - then: sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel model=lenovo
[07:38] <gavinbaker> done
[07:39] <crimsun> now, test with speakers and, separately, with headphones
[07:40] <gavinbaker> crimsun: speakers work
[07:41] <gavinbaker> headphones, no
[07:41] <gavinbaker> (alsamixer settings ok)
[07:41] <crimsun> ok, repeat with model=dallas
[07:42] <crimsun> (unload and reload)
[07:44] <gavinbaker> amarok won't play - xine says nope
[07:45] <crimsun> I have no idea what that means
[07:45] <crimsun> is ``aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'' inaudible?
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0'
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib confmisc.c:391:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such device
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib confmisc.c:1070:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such device
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib conf.c:3968:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib pcm.c:2145:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
[07:46] <gavinbaker> aplay: main:550: audio open error: No such device
[07:46] <crimsun> next time, please use pastebin instead of flooding the channel
[07:46] <crimsun> does your hardware have a spdif?
[07:46] <gavinbaker> i thought about that, but i decided against it.
[07:46] <gavinbaker> i don't know what a spdif is, so maybe? not?
[07:47] <crimsun> optical out
[07:47] <gavinbaker> no, i don't believe so
[07:47] <crimsun> it's usually marked as "SPDIF" on the sound card or in the area.
[07:47] <gavinbaker> yeah, i'm pretty sure it doesn't.
[07:47] <crimsun> ok, describe the jack layout
[07:48] <gavinbaker> on the front of the laptop, near where the lid opens, there are two jacks: one in, one out. there are no other inputs in the general vicinity
[07:49] <gavinbaker> i can account for all the jacks on the machine, except one in the back, oddly shaped and marked inscrutably with "F3"
[07:50] <gavinbaker> that's why i couldn't answer definitely either way.
[07:50] <crimsun> doesn't matter; it would have to be identically shaped to 1/8"ths
[07:52] <gavinbaker> wait, the "F3" is referring to something else. so it's just a totally inscrutable marking. i'm pretty sure it's not optical
[07:52] <crimsun> it's not.
[01:20] <tormod> hello, I have run debootstrap gutsy, and try to install the kernel. Unpacking of the kernel package fails with: Error setting debconf flags in linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic: linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic doesn't exist at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 205, <STDIN> line 3.
[01:20] <tormod>  Anyone seen this? I am missing something, something else I must install first?
[01:27] <_4strO> yop
[01:51] <tormod> ok, turns out linux-image-generic is not up to date. Manually installing linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic works better, but this one fails when configuring...
[01:54] <tormod> with this: Undefined subroutine &main::get called at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic.postinst line 576.
[02:12] <tormod> reopened bug #112126 for this...
[02:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112126 in linux-source-2.6.22 "pre-removal script failed" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112126
[05:16] <Enverex> Is there any way to get RT2500 cards working with Gutsy at all?
[05:16] <gnomefreak> Enverex: more than likely not yet
[05:17] <Enverex> What throws me off is that they say it's included in the .22 kernel now... but if that was true then surely it would have its modules loaded automatically
[05:17] <Enverex> (it being the monkey website)
[05:22] <borschty> some modules are disabled in some kernel builds since they cause them to fail
[05:29] <tormod> Enverex: did you install linux-ubuntu-modules?
[05:29] <Enverex> Yeah
[05:30] <tormod> Enverex: 2.6.22-6 ?
[05:31] <Enverex> -5 (haven't been using that machine since)
[05:38] <Enverex> 2.6.22-5-9 seems to be the latest in the repos
[05:38] <Enverex> Where did -6 come from?
[05:39] <tormod> Enverex: get the deb from launchpad
[05:39] <gnomefreak> -6 was rejected
[05:39] <gnomefreak> give thema  few more days/week before you see -6
[05:42] <tormod> gnomefreak: I am using l-u-m -6
[05:42] <gnomefreak> tormod: but not the kernel
[05:44] <tormod> gnomefreak: I am running kernel -6-13
[05:44] <gnomefreak> tormod: not from repos
[05:44] <gnomefreak> tormod: using git?
[05:45] <tormod> gnomefreak: apt-get install. But "linux-image-generic" is not up to date.
[05:45] <Enverex> Wont modules not load if you have a mismatch of versions like that?
[05:45] <gnomefreak> tormod: -6 was rejected yesterday as of about 4 hours there was no -6 in repos at all
[05:46] <Hobbsee> meh.  just wait a day
[05:46] <Hobbsee> you guys are impatient...
[05:46] <tormod> gnomefreak: I just did apt-get install  linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic a few hours ago.
[05:46] <Enverex> Hobbsee, Having no rt2500 at all indefinately is kinda sucky
[05:46] <gnomefreak> Enverex: nothing is projected to work until release
[05:47] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: you have link to NEW?
[05:47] <Enverex> gnomefreak, It was screwy in Feisty too so 7.10 has a better chance, heh
[05:47] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?batch=500
[05:47] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ty
[05:50] <lemonade> bcm43xx works nicely with gutsy
[05:50] <lemonade> it was pain in ass with feisty and before
[05:50] <gnomefreak> generic was pushed none of the others were. they are still in rejected
[05:50] <tormod> Enverex: you need a -6 kernel and a -6 l-u-m, then there's no version mismatch.
[05:54] <gnomefreak> they were just put up within last 3 or so minutes :)
[05:56] <limetang> What were?
[05:56] <tormod> gnomefreak: the powerpc yes. The generic has been there a long time.
[05:56] <gnomefreak> tormod: thats what i said above
[05:56] <Enverex> tormod, I'm not seeing it in Synaptic
[05:56] <gnomefreak> tormod: and ppc ia64 and 64 were just pushed to new. 386 still hasnt gona anywhere
[05:57] <gnomefreak> Enverex: you may not for a while depending what mirror your using
[06:00] <Enverex> hrm, aspell just kicked out errors repeatedly
[06:01] <Enverex> Also what's with the MEMORY-WARNING GSlice warnings that sound worrying?
[06:02] <limetang> My DVD drive (Lite-On DVDRW SHW-160P65) is unable to read some DVDs - it just makes a weird noise repeatedly. It works fine on WIndows.
[06:03] <limetang> When I did hdparm -v -i /dev/hdc, I got this error (along with the usual information): HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[06:03] <Enverex> I'm supprised ia32-libs is still broken after a few weeks too
[06:06] <Hobbsee> why?
[06:06] <Enverex> Which servers are normally the first to update or is it pretty much random?
[06:06] <Hobbsee> gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:06] <Hobbsee> which is also archive.ubuntu.com
[06:07] <Enverex> Hrm, that's the one I'm on anyway
[06:07] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: thought it was uk.
[06:07] <Enverex> nO, IT'S GB
[06:07] <Enverex> damn caps
[06:07] <Enverex> Kernel image and headers are in but not modules yet
[06:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: uk == gb
[06:10] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: they are not differnet mirrors?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> however a.u.c != gb.a.u.c
[06:11] <Hobbsee> correct
[06:11] <gnomefreak> i have used both before
[06:11] <Enverex> Actually GB = England, Scotland, Wales. UK = GB + Northern Ireland.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> Enverex: i'd suggest you ping them
[06:11] <gnomefreak> different update intervals
[06:11] <Hobbsee> quite possibly
[06:11] <Hobbsee> well
[06:11] <Hobbsee> how?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> they're the same machine
[06:11] <Hobbsee> on the same address?
[06:11] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i dont know. differetn ips
[06:12] <Enverex> Hobbsee, How does pinging them show which updates soonest? heh
[06:12] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: same IP and hostname.
[06:12] <gnomefreak> PING archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[06:12] <gnomefreak> nomefreak@GutsyGibbons:~$ ping gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:12] <gnomefreak> PING gb.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[06:12] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ ping uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:12] <Hobbsee> PING uk.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[06:12] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:13] <Hobbsee> ie, uk == gb, gb.a.u.c != a.u.c though
[06:13] <gnomefreak> than archive.ubuntu.com isnt using eitehr
[06:13] <Enverex> I was talking literally, heh
[06:13] <Hobbsee> i thougth they used to resolve to the same address.  odd.
[06:13] <gnomefreak> im in US it should default to uk server
[06:13] <Hobbsee> maybe they changed it
[06:14] <Hobbsee> surely it should then default to the us server?
[06:14] <gnomefreak> nope
[06:14] <gnomefreak> us servers cant stay up for more than a week at a time
[06:15] <gnomefreak> leningradskaya.canonical.com  is what pinging archive.ubuntu.com gives me
[06:16] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: apparently there are 2 machines that alternate for the a.u.c
[06:16] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[06:16] <Hobbsee> ping, cancel, ping, cancel, rinse and repeate
[06:17] <gnomefreak> it is defaulting to us
[06:17] <gnomefreak> when did this change
[07:10] <MmikeMRMA> I have problem with booting gutsy in vmware6... After i type 'live' and press enter splash screen shows up, and after 5-10 seconds I'm in busybox... is there a way to boot without splash screen, so I could se what might went wrong?
[07:11] <MmikeMRMA> btw, live-expert is nonexistant kernel image (although it's suggested)
[07:19] <Tomcat_> MmikeMRMA: Why do you run gutsy if you don't know how to disable the splash? :)
[07:21] <MmikeMRMA> Tomcat_, so you don't either how to disable the splash? :)
[07:21] <Tomcat_> MmikeMRMA: Usually by removing the "splash" line from kernel boot options... works for me. :P
[07:22] <MmikeMRMA> Tomcat_, yes, or adding verbose... but, how do I do that with livecd? There is no /boot/grub/menu.lst or something like that....
[07:22] <Tomcat_> MmikeMRMA: Change the options live in grub, in the menu.
[07:23] <MmikeMRMA> Tomcat: when I boot gutsy from the .iso image there is no grub menu...
[07:25] <Tomcat_> I haven't seen gutsy yet, so in that case I don't know either. :)
[07:25] <Tomcat_> Older LiveCDs always had a menu.
[07:27] <MmikeMRMA> :) oh, well! :)
[07:27] <MmikeMRMA> so you DO have no clue! :)
[07:28] <Tomcat_> Well concerning your original question, I do... but not for the latest problem. :>
[07:31] <MmikeMRMA> well... bigger problem is that I don't have a clue too :)
[07:31] <MmikeMRMA> i typed 'live nosplash' or 'live verbose' but that has no effect
[07:33] <Tomcat_> Just "live" won't do?
[07:34] <MmikeMRMA> That begins booting with the splash screen... I can see the bar underneath ubuntu-logo, and after 5-10 seconds I'm in busybox... so I guess something happened, but because of the splash I can't see what...
[07:35] <MmikeMRMA> And I hate to shutdown this machine just to boot gutsy... Not even sure if I have blank CD around :)
[08:15] <thedeviantone> Can anyone assist me with compiling a kernel for SCSI controller support?
[10:46] <cowbud> anyone else have the problem of the gnome notification area not showing any icons? If so how did you fix it?
[11:26] <DanaG> odd, ninix-aya is not installable.
[11:27] <DanaG> depends on python-scipy and python-numpy;
[11:27] <DanaG> but those two packages have versioned conflicts.
[11:28] <DktrKranz> DanaG, could you please check if this has been reported in launchpad?
[11:28] <DktrKranz> if not, you may consider to file a new bug report
[11:28] <DktrKranz> using tag packaging
[11:30] <DanaG> Similar, but old, bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-f2py/+bug/66907
[11:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66907 in python-f2py "Cannot install python-f2py in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[11:30] <DanaG> Tag packaging?
[11:32] <DktrKranz> DanaG, using tags helps in bugfixing
[11:33] <DktrKranz> marking bugs with "packaging" or "bitesize" tags focuses developers attention on them
[11:34] <DanaG> I'll do it later today; I should go back to doing my homework...
[11:35] <DktrKranz> np :)
[11:35] <DktrKranz> If you will ever encounter such issues, remember to use those tags
[11:36] <DktrKranz> it is much easier for MOTUs and contributors to fix them :)


[04:05] <denelius> i need assistance with a .desktop file exec path, the .sh file is in usr/local bin
[04:06] <denelius> Exec=/usr/local/bin/myapp/bin/myapp.sh
[04:08] <denelius> any ideas why this does not work?
[15:53] <ger-banane> hey
[15:53] <ger-banane> can someone help me? i have no start bar
[20:46] <mfh> quit
[21:26] <mustmodify> Just installed 13.04. On login, screen is having some kind of rendering issue:  https://url.odesk.com/g1toqf
[21:26] <mustmodify> Can someone suggest a channel on which I might find help?
[21:27] <mustmodify> I'm thinking about putting in another graphics card.
[21:27] <mustmodify> or
[21:27] <mustmodify> putting in a graphics card. Current one is on-board.
[21:53] <JoseeAntonioR> mustmodify: maybe #ubuntu can help
[22:33] <daddioio> how hard would it be to turn ubuntu into an ipcop kind of thing?  Impossible?  I guess the hard thing would be figureing out DNS, DHCP etc to manage the network?  I just keep finding thesdfree solutions that always need like 3 more projects to be useful, but you break the whole tool adding the one more package and it cuts off ability to update anything
[22:33] <daddioio> grrr...sorry to vent...just curious
[22:35] <wilee-nilee> daddioio, Are you checking the repos for what you need or just randomly installing?
[22:37] <daddioio> well when I try these solutions, they are never ubuntu based.  So, the install process is always something completely different.  One was debian, but just openig the repos in sources and adding new software updated a ton of software in the firewall and basically broke everything there...LOL
[22:38] <daddioio> I have not tried to fix using ubuntu as start
[22:39] <wilee-nilee> daddioio, I would stick to searching ubuntu repos to begin with, chances are they are there if in debian.
[22:40] <daddioio> not sure if I am network guru enough to configure everything. Dns bind really looks scary ;)
[22:40] <wilee-nilee> 100's of linux distros not all will allow a install from another and just run, in spite of there being little differences
[22:41] <daddioio> yep
[22:41] <wilee-nilee> I know nothing about dns bind, just general advice. ;)
[22:42] <daddioio> I may try it.  what ufw or iptables on wanlink.  dhcp server, dns, transparent proxy on lanside?
[22:43] <daddioio> will miss the web control panels though and dashboards....LOL
[22:45] <daddioio> ive tried pfsense, untangle, endian, and now clearos
[22:47] <daddioio> wonder if webmin would help...something to google
[22:53] <daddioio> so if ubuntu 12 is sarge, what is 13?
[22:54] <daddioio> saw this on webmin
[22:54] <daddioio> they are useing the debian name for ubuntu


[04:57] <sidi> eeeew what a night
[04:58] <sidi> just done repackaging firejail and half of my PPA
[10:38] <ralle> hallo, wer kann mir denn einmal helfen
[10:40] <knome> !de | ralle
[20:49] <slickymaster> knome, I won't be able to attend next meeting as it coincides with little one's periodic medical appointment
[20:56] <knome> slickymaster, too bad, then you will be surely selected as the new workhorse aka XPL
[21:02] <slickymaster> lol, seriously doubt that :P
[21:03] <Unit193> slickymaster: You're more likely than me!
[21:03] <slickymaster> nah, you're a few yards ahead of me Unit193
[21:03] <Unit193> Hah!
[21:50] <Unit193> Also if someone is logged into the wiki, they can likely remove the agenda item with my name on it.  We kind of already talked about it and it's in the platform seed so nothing we can do anyway.
[21:51] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:51] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hello good sir.
[21:51] <bluesabre> knome: also can't make it to the meeting, work hours
[21:52] <bluesabre> hi Unit193
[21:52] <Unit193> So we can have bluesabre as the XPL, cool.
[21:52] <bluesabre> oh boy more work :P
[21:56] <knome> yai


[10:38] <pirx> hi! is there a way to install ubuntu server 18.04/20.04 with ifupdown instead of netplan? i think i read about some boot options somewhere, but cant find anymore
[10:39] <mgedmin> you should be able to sudo apt install ifupdown; sudo apt remove netplan after installing
[10:39] <mgedmin> I don't believe there's an option in the installer to use ifupdown instead of netplan
[10:43] <pirx> mgedmin: ok, cool, i'll look around a bit more though:) but you're probably right
[13:49] <teward> pirx: there is no option in the installer to do an ifupdown install instead of netplan
[13:49] <teward> you have to do it manually post install as mgedmin states.
[13:49] <teward> the Ubuntu defaults are now Netplan, if you want ifupdown you have to remove the default installed netplan and install ifupdown.
[13:52] <teward> (and configure it yourself, the installer won't do that)
[14:35] <Ussat> didnt we have this EXACT conversation, like other day ?
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> Ussat: its called irc dejavu :p
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> i have that a lot :p
[14:36] <teward> Ussat: similar conversation, different person and slightly different question ;)
[14:38] <Ussat> fair


[16:36] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +818 cases (now 1.6 million), +25 deaths (now 27393) since a day ago
[18:39] <pavlushka> %quake
[18:39] <Brainstorm> pavlushka, Last reports: 3.7 M, 18:09 UTC Pica, Chile (-20.38, -68.82), ↓49 km felt to 60 km


[22:55] <sergio-br2> drc = dynarec in mame, the problem is find info about it in ARM
[22:55] <sergio-br2> ops, wrong channel


[00:54] <mother> I have ubuntu mate 15 where do i locate my APT cache
[06:58] <vlt> Hello. On ALL our Ubuntu 16.04 machines running perfecetly fine for weeks now, since today not a single user can run firefox. The error message is ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 29685.  Any idea what happened and how to fix it?
[07:02] <alkisg> Maybe the firefox 52 upgrade?
[07:03] <alkisg> Try to downgrade to .51, and if it fixes it, you'll know where to file a bug report... :)
[07:18] <alkisg> Erm, is anyone else having applications in the menu, that open in xterm instead of gnome-terminal? I think there was a guy complaining about gcc a few days ago, and now it happens to me too...
[07:18] <alkisg> x-terminal-emulator properly opens mate-terminal
[07:20] <ouroumov> alkisg, I can confirm both htop and ipython are opening in xterm
[07:20] <ouroumov> alkisg, instead of the normal mate-terminal
[07:20] <alkisg> Thank you ouroumov, are you in 16.04.2?
[07:20] <ouroumov> Yes
[07:21] <alkisg> Thanks... flexiondotorg, any ideas? ^
[07:21] <ouroumov> alkisg, I can't vouch for this being new behavior, I never open that stuff from the menu anyway.
[07:21] <alkisg> Me neither, I think it may be old behavior
[07:25] <Astro7467> I tested on my daily runner which has gone 16.04-16.04.1->16.04.2 and MATE Term opened.
[07:25] <Astro7467> Tested on a fresh 16.04.2 machine I have and it opened in xterm
[07:25] <Astro7467> (picked htop from menu)
[07:27] <alkisg> Ouch, mine has also gone from 16.04 => .1 => .2, and it opens in xterm, strange...
[07:29] <Astro7467> Just found that if you enable 'Advanced Menus' in MATE Tweak prob goes away (changed on the fresh install) - so this is why my upgraded machine did it correctly
[07:33] <alkisg> Ah, a good clue :)
[07:40] <Astro7467> For completeness I confirm this is a viable clue - turned advance menu off on my daily runner and xterm came up - turn on and MATE term returns
[07:44] <vlt> alkisg: Yes, it was an automatic upgrade of firefoc from 51* to 52* last night.
[07:44] <vlt> alkisg: Any idea how to revert that?
[07:44] <vlt> Where can I find a working 51* deb file for Ubuntu 16.04 64 bit?
[07:44] <alkisg> vlt: you need to find the previous firefox packages, either in your cache in /var/cache/apt/archives, or in your local mirror
[07:45] <vlt> alkisg: /var/cache/apt/archives is empty for strange reasons and I don鈥檛 use a local mirror.
[07:45] <alkisg> E.g. my mirror is http://ftp.ntua.gr/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox/
[07:45] <alkisg> local I mean the .fi ubuntu server
[07:46] <alkisg> Anyway, use the greek one if you want
[07:46] <alkisg> Just take care to install _all_ of the correct .deb files with a single dpkg -i * command
[07:46] <alkisg> So as to avoid broken dependencies
[07:46] <vlt> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_51.0.1+build2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.deb
[07:46] <vlt> looks ok
[09:20] <vlt> Installed 51.0.1...deb. Works for now.
[09:25] <alkisg> vlt: don't leave it at that, continue to search for what causes it so that you notify firefox developers to fix the regression before it's "too old bug to be considered a regression"
[09:25]  * alkisg has firefox 52 without crashes
[09:26] <vlt> alkisg: Yes, I鈥檒l file a bug report.
[09:29] <doge-doge> hey guys, is anyone having VPN connectivity issues after the latest round of NM updates yesterday?
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[14:04] <vlt> Hi. Any idea how to make the screensaver work when running MATE desktop in an xrdp/xvnc session?
[19:07] <mate|40534> Hello
[20:17] <Zephyr8965> Hey, can anyone give me some advice?  I just installed Ubuntu-Mate for dual-booting on a windows 8.1 laptop.  I don't get a boot loader on startup, it just goes straight to windows 8.1.  However, I can do an advanced restart and "Ubuntu" shows up in the "devices" along with options such as making recovery disks.  Selecting that got me into linux.
[20:17] <Zephyr8965> Anybody know how I can get the boot loader to come up and get me into linux?


[01:19] <thelionroars> what happened to the 'extract' shortcuts in Dolphin (right button click menu) with the 15.10 update, and how do I get them back?
[01:21] <kdefanno6> thelionroars: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?69143-Ark-right-click-options-missing-in-15-10
[01:23] <thelionroars> thanks kdefanno6
[05:08] <MelRay> Hey everyone how difficult is it to set up FTP?
[06:04] <rvk> Hello!
[08:31] <Guest87014> how to install plasma5 on my kubuntu 14.04 64bit
[08:32] <hateball> Guest87014: Wait for 16.04
[08:32] <Guest87014> any help???
[11:54] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[11:56] <Smurphy> Morning :)
[11:56] <Smurphy> Afternoon here already.
[11:58] <BluesKaj> only 7AM here , there's more than 5 hrs difference?
[12:05] <BluesKaj> ahh, ok there is more than 5hrs
[12:19] <Yossarianuk> the slow login issue seems fixed after yesterdays update - whoop !
[12:43] <somekool> Guest15900: I did it on my GF laptop, but ended up not being as stable. you should upgrade to 15.10, wait for 16.04 or stick with KDE 4 if you have to stick with 14.04
[14:59] <svend-ev> Good morning
[15:40] <vitodoc> prova
[15:41] <vitodoc> prova
[15:44] <soee> ?
[18:24] <EvilRoey> yofel:  hey
[18:24] <EvilRoey> http://news.softpedia.com/news/kubuntu-now-has-two-release-managers-after-jonathan-riddell-s-departure-496070.shtml
[18:24] <EvilRoey> I just read that article stating that you and sgclark are the new maintainers
[18:24] <EvilRoey> yofel:  thank you for your efforts
[18:43] <Rocketsboy> ?
[20:25] <keithzg> ...well damn, updated my 14.04 install with the Backports PPA and now KWin doesn't actually work right (no window decorations at all, so no way to move windows around or such, yikes)
[20:25] <Chaser> Hello, starting 15.10 I see my bottom panel disappearing over the course of use. Is there a way to restart that part of KDE with out having to reboot the system ?
[20:36] <bprompt> Chaser:  bottom panel, you mean the taskbar?
[20:37] <krise> Hei.  I just installed new updates and muon discover were removed. Does anybody know why this hapend ?
[20:40] <keithzg> krise: That's a bit odd, but possibly explicable. What version of Kubuntu are you on and what repos do you have enabled?
[20:41] <Chaser> bprompt: yup
[20:44] <bprompt> Chaser: http://askubuntu.com/questions/481329/can-i-restart-the-kde-plasma-desktop-without-logging-out   <--- could try that, killall plasmashell; kstart plasmashell;
[20:45] <Chaser> bprompt: sweet ! seems to work. thanks.
[20:46] <bprompt> np
[20:49] <krise> 15.10 keithzg . How di i see what repos i have enabled ?
[20:50] <keithzg> krise: Should be in the file /etc/apt/sources.list and possibly in files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[20:52] <krise> there is like 21 files inside that folder keitzhg
[20:53] <krise> how can i re install muon discover via terminal ?
[20:54] <keithzg> krise: You've added a lot of external PPAs and such then!
[20:54] <keithzg> krise: Yup, you can install it again via the terminal, let me grab the package name
[20:54] <krise> thanks
[20:55] <keithzg> krise: At least back on 14.04 (which is what I've been sticking with for installs at work) it's "muon-discover", so "sudo apt install muon-discover" would get you it. Let me double check that that's still true in 15.10; I know that Discover is being branched away from Muon.
[20:55] <keithzg> (which might explain it being removed for you, perhaps)
[20:56] <krise> is there any other program like muon discover i recomend?
[20:56] <krise> u recomend
[20:57] <keithzg> krise: Well, looking at packages.ubuntu.com, muon-discover is still a package in both wily and xenial, so "sudo apt install muon-discover" should work.
[20:57] <keithzg> Eventually the package name might change (and maybe it has; do you have the Kubuntu backports PPA enabled?) but it should still be around as an application nonetheless.
[20:58] <krise> yes it is enabled
[20:58] <keithzg> I suspect you have the backports PPA installed and it was just no longer a dependency of one of the newer packages, so it was automatically removed.
[20:58] <keithzg> Alright, then if you run "sudo apt install muon-discover" you should get it back.
[20:59] <keithzg> You'll have it installed manually then, so it shouldn't be auto-removed in the future during upgrades.
[20:59] <keithzg> And if it's ever replaced once the branding change is done, in theory the package will just be changed to a . . . umm I forget the term but a metapackage that just redirects to the new package name, basically.
[21:00] <keithzg> So you shouldn't even need to know in the future, it *should* all just work smoothly :)
[21:00] <krise> Ok , thank u, i got it installed


 https://twitter.com/kdecommunity/status/1220648693394788354
 Do we want that for 3 years on our LTS?
 To be blunt, to me, that is very boring and disappointing
 (Photo, 606x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/QBOPC06Y/file_22598.jpg
[20:13] <valorie> I think no, but.....
[20:14] <valorie> I like the two you had https://twitter.com/rikmills88/status/1220675708042825729
[20:14] <valorie> esp. the mountain
 Yes +1 from me too, I think that's much better
[20:15] <valorie> shall we send it to the KC list for a vote?
 Yes I think so 😁


[16:22] <anonuser> hello can someone direct me to the person who manages the irc logs for #ubuntu
[16:23] <Pici> anonuser: you can send your request to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>be sure to explain it in detail, but be warned that we make our logging policy clear on both our channel topic and entrymsg, so you should have known better.
[16:23] <anonuser> thanks pici


 Hows the oracle vm package called?
[01:43] <arraybolt3> @Oski146: I think you're looking for VirtualBox?
 Thanks thats it, forgot it
[01:43] <arraybolt3> (Note that I really don't recommend the use of VirtualBox, but fwiw, that's the name.)
[01:44] <arraybolt3> (I far prefer virt-manager or GNOME Boxes, though Boxes can take some practice to make it work just right, while virt-manager seems to just work for me.)
 Ok but i never had problems woth virtual box
 On ubuntu studio a gnome program? Dont wanna mix up the flavors
[02:12] <arraybolt3> @Oski146: Just, for your own sake, don't install untrusted software in a VirtualBox VM. VirtualBox is in the Universe repository, not Main, so it may not receive security updates. QEMU, which virt-manager and GNOME Boxes use, is in the Main repository and should receives reliable security updates.
 Ok which one is the better one then i unonstall virtualbox
[02:14] <arraybolt3> virt-manager is probably the best one if you're used to VirtualBox.
[02:15] <arraybolt3> (Also, running GNOME software on KDE-based distros isn't a problem. Firefox is a GNOME program.)
 Ok then i will try this :) is it the same?
 Ok i didnt know forefox is gnome software. Because its crossplatform?
[02:15] <enigma9o7[m]> Firefox is a GTK program.  Not a gnome program.
[02:15] <arraybolt3> enigma9o7[m]: Er, right. But it uses the same underlying stuff.
[02:15] <arraybolt3> (Sorry, got a bit mixed up there.)
[02:16] <enigma9o7[m]> uses the same toolkit yeah
 Ok thanks for the advise here
[02:16] <arraybolt3> @Oski146: It works about the same.
[02:16] <arraybolt3> @Oski146 (virt-manager I mean)
 Okay
[02:17] <arraybolt3> @Oski146: It should be very intuitive, especially if you're used to VirtualBox. I went straight from VBox to virt-manager all at once and was able to get started immediately.
 Virt manager installed now on the machine
[02:17] <arraybolt3> @Oski146: You will have to log out and log back in before it starts working right.
[02:19] <arraybolt3> enigma9o7[m]: Thanks for the correction, you're right. Saying Firefox is a GNOME program is kinda like saying that Qt applications are KDE programs. Related, but not the same.
 Its not that pretty program, but it should do the same like virtualbox
 Its sad that youtube-dl is not working anymore with the gui
 Can i have help with thunderbolt 3 support?
 The thunderbolt subsystem is not available.
[02:23] <arraybolt3> @Oski146: Sure, but you may have more luck if you switch to IRC chat and ask for help in #ubuntu, since they support Ubuntu Studio and are much more active. (This room doesn't actually support Ubuntu Studio - it's similar to Kubuntu, but not the same.)
 Ok thanks, i will go there
 Hello Every One,
 I have one issue in my kubuntu 22 installed laptop
 what sometimes happens is that when i turn on my laptop then the touchpad doesn't work properly,
 the horizontal motion of the touchpad works fine but the vertical motion of the touch pad doesn't work properly
 but if I leave the laptop on charge for some time then and then restart it, then it starts working properly
 can anyone suggest me about what should I do as a solution to this problem
 Whenever I connect my WiFi it pops up this notification saying;
  "An update download is pending on Firefox, quit the app to avoid disruption"
 Something like this
 I've checked through the list of updates in order to download that single one manually but can't find a particular one for Firefox
 What do I do next
 Firefox is my main browser and don't want it to crash in any way
 I hope so (re @PJtunes: I've not really tried charging my phone with my PC though, just transfers
 I don't really have any idea about it for kubuntu, windows allow it though
 It should be possible on Kubuntu, maybe)
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 is kubuntu focus the same as kubuntu ?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> @Omar https://kfocus.org/
[13:14] <mparillo> Kubuntu Focus is hardware plus Kubuntu optimized for that hardware (and their use cases). For more, follow the link from BluesKaj
[13:15] <BluesKaj> 'morning mparillo
 If i installed it in my dell laptop will it be better than kubuntu ? (re @IrcsomeBot: <mparillo> Kubuntu Focus is hardware plus Kubuntu optimized for that hardware (and their use cases). For more, follow the link from BluesKaj)
[13:38] <BluesKaj> @Omar, I don't know...never used kubuntu focus .. think it's mostly used by developers
[14:24] <Matt55> I installed neofetch and the Ubuntu logo showed up instead of Kubuntu. Is there any way to fix this? I'm guessing it's because I did the minimal install
[14:27] <leaftype> could be. I'm on the desktop version and it shows the kubuntu logo
[14:27] <leaftype> let me poke around a bit
[14:29] <leaftype> you installed ubuntu minimal?
[14:29] <oerheks> neofetch --ascii_distro kubuntu
[14:30] <leaftype> oerheks: that displays it differently, but it doesn't change what it thinks it's supposed to be
[14:31] <leaftype> (just tried)
[14:32] <leaftype> might want to check here: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-display-system-information-with-neofetch
[14:33] <jjs> https://github.com/dylanaraps/neofetch/blob/master/neofetch
[14:34] <jjs> Line 1131 seems to be related to your question.
[14:34] <leaftype> if you go to ~/.config/neofetch , there is a config file. You can change whatever you want there
[14:34] <jjs> looks like it is searching for a specific environment variable configuration to tell ubuntu/kubuntu apart.
[14:37] <Matt55> alright
[14:42] <Matt55> I fixed the ASCII art, although neofetch still says I use Ubuntu in the OS section. I guess it doesn't matter too much.
[14:42] <leaftype> that depends on what you want. If you just want the ascii art change, you just chagne the ascii art. If you want it to display a different OS, you tell it to display a different OS
[14:43] <leaftype> If you want it to be accurate, maybe install kubuntu rather than ubuntu minimal :)
[14:45] <Matt55> I installed Kubuntu minimal actually, I just thought it would install less applications like libreoffice
[17:21] <mparillo> What do you get from lsb_release -a
 Does this bug exist in Ubuntu 22.10 ?
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1988484
[19:13] <mmikowski> @RikMills @Eickmeyer Nate recommends a 5.98 respin: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=459188
[19:25] <RikMills> mmikowski: ack and thanks!
[19:27] <mmikowski> You're welcome @RikMills. Also, sending 5.98 test results shortly. 5.24.6 + 5.98.0 looks good from multiple tests, as discussed before. Will cc NateG
 Any answer to this pls (re @PJtunes: Whenever I connect my WiFi it pops up this notification saying;
  "An update download is pending on Firefox, quit the app to avoid disruption"
 Something like this)
[21:25] <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: Close Firefox and run "sudo snap refresh" in a terminal, that will force Firefox to update. However, right now, Canonical is having some serious server problems, so you might not actually be able to update Firefox until they fix it. They're working on it.
 Ok thank you
 Pls do let us know when it's fixed...
[22:04] <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: I think it's fixed now.
[22:05] <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: Yep, Snap appears to be back up and running.
 Ok
 I'll try updating it then
 And also
 Been trying to change the PC default user to mine and also change the password but it's not working out
 Still can't figure out what's wrong
[22:10] <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: Is your user an administrator?
 Yes
[22:11] <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: That's weird. Not sure how to fix that. Maybe someone else here will know.
 Okayy
 If I end up not updating the Firefox before the 13days it stated, will Firefox crash on my PC?? (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: That's weird. Not sure how to fix that. Maybe someone else here will know.)
[22:14] <arraybolt3> @PJtunes: I don't know. I think it will try to force the update through despite Firefox still being open, which may cause it to crash.
 Ohh ok
 Thanks!
[23:14] <mmikowski> @PJtunes if you are around, I can probably help with System Settings > Users, if that's where you are having trouble. Or are you using CLI?
 Shall we talk?)