[00:04] <[reed]> sure
[00:04] <[reed]> I just was curious
[00:04] <[reed]> :)
[02:19] <Jazzva> I'll upload the logos for the m-e-d team now. No new votes were cast, I don't suppose there will be any. Since it's a tie for prop 1 orange, and just the puzzle logo, I'll upload the prop1 orange for 192px and 64px logos, and the puzzle for 14px logo. :)
[02:21] <Jazzva> Done :)...
[02:25] <fta> good
[02:26] <fta> you can remove the call for logo now
[02:26] <Jazzva> right...
[02:26] <Jazzva> Thanks for reminding me :)
[13:28] <fta_> Bug 226425
[17:14] <fta> !info sqlite sid
[17:14] <fta> !info sqlite lenny
[17:14] <fta> !info sqlite experimental
[17:19] <fta> !info sqlite3
[17:19] <fta> !info sqlite3 intrepid
[18:17] <gnomefreak> GnuPG very very easy on windows once you get rid of Norton :)
[18:19] <gnomefreak> asac: looking at mozilla site <looking for devel enigmail> i found something called bugzilla i guess its an interface GUI or not for bugzilla (mozilla and gnome) i believe they only have it as tar.gz no bins for linux nor windows. is this something we should look into packaging for Ubuntu or very least if it helps build bins for our own use?
[18:21] <fta> !info bugzilla
[18:21] <fta> that ?
[18:21] <gnomefreak> yes :(
[18:22] <gnomefreak> i think so
[18:22] <gnomefreak> i think that sit
[18:23] <gnomefreak> holy shit 109 updates since yesterday afternoon
[18:23] <fta> got almost nothing since yesterday (my time)
[18:24] <gnomefreak> have you seen the deps for bugzilla yet?
[18:24] <gnomefreak> 29 of them
[18:24] <gnomefreak> maybe 28 since package == 1
[18:25] <gnomefreak> apache perl stuff plus a sendmail or 2
[18:25] <fta> why do want to install that ?
[18:25] <fta> it's only useful if you manage a project, probably a big one
[18:26] <gnomefreak> i thought helpful for upstream bugs
[18:26] <gnomefreak> reporting looking for ect...
[18:27] <gnomefreak> fta: updates i just got http://pastebin.mozilla.org/421956  i think im using de mirrors
[18:28] <gnomefreak> yep de im assuming your not far from nl-de so they should be same
[18:28] <gnomefreak> maybe i missed them yesterday
[18:29] <fta> i'm using archive.u.c
[18:29] <fta> so it should be in uk (london)
[18:30] <gnomefreak> yep its either uk or gb i cant remember but as i recall in the us it goes to the us mirrors not london and i found that suprising
[18:34] <fta> traceroute of all 3 ips goes to london
[18:43] <gnomefreak> see thats what i always thought but last year one of the other ops said it was us > us and i checked and it was
[19:04] <fta> locate update-packaging
[19:04] <fta> oops
[19:45] <fta> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/05/iron-man-persona-for-firefox/
[20:15] <gnomefreak> cool installing it :)
[20:16] <gnomefreak> is mozilla labs official mozilla?
[20:17] <fta> yes
[20:17] <fta> prism comes from there
[20:18] <gnomefreak> Once installed, click on the Personas icon in the status bar, and select Preferences, press the Custom Persona Editor…
[20:18] <gnomefreak> that is false
[20:18] <gnomefreak> ther eis no prefferences
[20:19] <gnomefreak> s/ther eis/there is
[20:20] <fta> i don't know; i'm using it
[20:20] <fta> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/calendar/2008/05/next_release_09_and_beyond.html
[20:22] <gnomefreak> 0.9 will be on xulrunner-1.9 iirc
[20:22] <gnomefreak> if i remember right thats we i didnt package it or it was 0.6 that was on 1.9
[20:23] <fta> it seems 0.9 will still be on branch (1.8), then they'll move to trunk (1.9)
[20:23] <gnomefreak> yeah 0.6 because i did 0.5 0.7 now i am going to get 0.8 in sometime this week i hope.
[20:24] <fta> but trunk will also move to 2.0 so it's a race
[20:24] <gnomefreak> i havent read up on it since building 0.7 because people wanted 0.6 sinc eit was "released"
[20:37]  * gnomefreak opens mail and gets scared


[10:33] <jbrefort> any chance to have abiword-2.6.0 in Hardy?
[10:34] <ogra_cmpc> jbrefort, i think there was a bug asking for an update
[10:35] <ogra_cmpc> look at launchpad
[10:35] <jbrefort> thx
[15:14] <cliebow> any one know a fix if system hangs at "starting system message bus?
[20:56] <Neo5967> !seen Gabona
[20:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen gabona - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:36] <justme_> can anyone point me in the direction of some LTSP/edubuntu documentation on setting up an edubuntu server from scratch using 8.04?
[22:37] <ogra_cmpc> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardyClassroomServer
[22:38] <ogra_cmpc> (WIP)
[22:40] <justme_> bah, so I just burned a bunch of time by downloading & installing 8.04 server, and then trying to setup ltsp by installing the ltsp-server-standalone? :P
[22:40] <justme_> have to go download alternate now.. :/
[22:40] <justme_> I had also tryed F4 on the boot menu, but it only had "NORMAL" with the server instal
[22:41] <justme_> install* cd
[22:41] <ogra_cmpc> well, server was a bad idea indeed, you need a desktop installed to use ltsp
[22:41] <justme_> even the server side ?
[22:41] <justme_> or rather, you mean including the server side of the equation?
[22:41] <ogra_cmpc> only the server side :)
[22:42] <ogra_cmpc> your think clients only run a minimal OS, everything thats needed to make the HW work plus X and a login manager ...
[22:42] <ogra_cmpc> the display manager logs you in to a desktop session on the server
[22:43] <justme_> let me ask this: would be be better (is there an easy way..), that since I don't actually need edubuntu per say, I just need an LTSP server for application development, that going the 8.04-server version and adding the ltsp bits to it?
[22:43] <justme_> would *it be better
[22:43] <ogra_cmpc> do you need a desktop or only shells ?
[22:44] <justme_> I was trying to use the edubuntu setup since it sounded like a quick and easy way to get an LTSP setup and running out of the box (from the 7.10 CD's anyway)
[22:44] <justme_> gui's.. for such things as quanta
[22:44] <ogra_cmpc> right, that exact implemetation was moved to the alternate CD
[22:44] <ogra_cmpc> so you are not forced to use edubuntu
[22:45] <justme_> well, I don't mind using edubuntu.. its really just ltsp aimed @ education and includes some default applications, is it not?
[22:45] <justme_> some default educational applications
[22:46] <ogra_cmpc> well, with hardy its an educational addon cd
[22:46] <ogra_cmpc> the ltsp technology moved to ubuntu
[22:46] <ogra_cmpc> where it makes more sense
[22:46] <justme_> so they are moving LTSP to ubuntu for some reasons which include the benefit of having a "ubuntu ltsp" server for other projects available, instead of defaulting to an "ubuntu educational ltsp" from the get go
[22:47] <justme_> makes sense.. just sucks in terms of lack of (easily found?) documentation on the subject so far
[22:47] <ogra_cmpc> not all educational institutions want to use a desktop thats rather set up for 8-16yo
[22:48] <justme_> I wasted a bit of time earlier googling and found nothing, and finally decided to get onto IRC.. but not all people will get onto IRC, and I was trying to avoid it because generally I can find what I need on the web
[22:48] <justme_> thats also a good point... re: the setup for 8-16's
[22:48] <ogra_cmpc> ubuntu in education is more than that, universities want to use a standard ubuntu themed desktop for example ...
[22:49] <bart1105> good day!
[22:49] <LaserJock> justme_: well, we haven't even release 8.04 so the lack of documentaton isn't surprising
[22:49] <LaserJock> *released
[22:51] <lns> Does anyone know when/if OOo 2.4 will be released/backported for Gutsy?
[22:51] <justme_> considering it is 3 weeks from release, I think having documentation ready for early adopters is an added benefit, it also precludes the fact that more people can beta test
[22:52] <justme_> precludes = wrong word, but you get what I mean
[22:52] <justme_> no idea lns... one could always build from 8.04 sources?
[22:52] <LaserJock> justme_: well sure, but most of our testers already know how to install 8.04
[22:53] <LaserJock> we'll have documentation as soon as we can
[22:53] <justme_> "most of our testers" ... hehe
[22:53] <lns> justme_, I'm sure.. was just curious, I didn't want to jump to Hardy right off the bat.. i had really bad experiences doing that from Dapper -> Feisty
[22:53] <justme_> how does one expect new testers to come on board? :p
[22:54] <justme_> lns: I have high hopes for hardy, being an LTS release.. the same as dapper
[22:54] <LaserJock> justme_: not exactly sure, show up here, email edubuntu-devel, stuff like that
[22:54] <LaserJock> lns: Dapper->Feisty is not a supported upgrade
[22:54] <lns> justme_, i agree - but having 6 sites with ~200 users/ea, it would be baaad to try and jump right on the bandwagon without testing first ;)
[22:55] <lns> LaserJock, i know =) but there were things in feisty i really wanted
[22:55] <lns> and i was naive
[22:55] <LaserJock> Dapper -> Hardy will hopefully be smooth sailing ;-)
[22:55] <ogra_cmpc> justme_, ltsp in hardy has still a good bunch of bugs i plan to clean out on the weekend
[22:55] <justme_> lns: I wasn't implying you do jump without testing ;) there's no such thing as a bad plan to pre-test something
[22:56] <justme_> LaserJock: I think it is asking alot to go from a 2yr old platform to a bleeding edge platform without problems... (with an O/S)
[22:56] <lns> sooo..nobody knows about OOo 2.4 huh? =p
[22:56] <lns> i'll jump on #ubuntu
[22:56] <justme_> you just can't expect everything to work when many things are version dependent like custom coding that will break when you upgrade your mysql versions or apache versions, etc
[22:56] <LaserJock> lns: what is your question exactly?
[22:57] <justme_> he was wondering if OOO 2.4 will be backported to gutsy
[22:57] <LaserJock> justme_: yes, but that's why we do upgrade testing
[22:57] <lns> LaserJock, OOo 2.4 has the pixmap fix for LTSP - i wanted to know if it was in the todo list for gutsy to have it backported into the repos or for us to "just upgrade to hardy"..
[22:57] <LaserJock> well, but is he looking for a PPA or -backports or?
[22:57] <justme_> but no amount of upgrade testing can account for version differences of a program itself
[22:57] <LaserJock> I kinda doubt it'll be in official repos, it's a real beast
[22:58] <lns> oh ok
[22:58] <lns> thanks =)
[22:58] <LaserJock> justme_: of course not, I was just saying that Dapper -> Hardy upgrades are official supported
[22:58] <justme_> yea
[22:58] <lns> I don't plan on upgrading from Hardy at all until the next LTS =)
[22:58] <LaserJock> where as Dapper -> (anything but Edgy) is not
[22:58] <lns> of course the new 'candy' always tempts me
[23:10] <johnny> soo OOo 2.4 with pixmap fix is in hardy?
[23:10] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, any specific bugs i should know about?
[23:11] <johnny> ones that aren't a regression from gutsy
[23:26] <lns> johnny, check out http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=85321
[23:26] <ubotu> OpenOffice.org bug 85321 in gsl "OOo caches large pixmaps to X server, crashing the X server." [Defect,Closed: fixed]
[23:26] <lns> thaks ubotu =p
[23:26] <johnny> i'm asking if it's in hardy
[23:26] <lns> 2.4 is in hardy, yes afaik
[23:26] <johnny> the fixed version :)
[23:27] <lns> hopefully.. =) Haven't verified it myself but that's what the devs say
[23:27] <lns> now onto more important bugs..like why frozen-bubble crashes on thin clients =p


[07:17] <MeaCulpa> merge from non-common ancestor... howto?
[07:18] <MeaCulpa> Hi guys, I have a project dir under bzr control. Now I want to make a branch, containing only small txt files, delete those big files, and push to elsewhere. How can I merge it into original treee WITHOUT deleting the files I excluded in this branch?
[07:19] <MeaCulpa> Do I have to specify the revision number the after the deleting action each time I merge?
[07:49] <lifeless> MeaCulpa: yes, or you have to edit the merge before committing and revert the deletion of the big files.
[07:49] <lifeless> MeaCulpa: why do you want to delete the files?
[07:51] <MeaCulpa> lifeless: I figured out... I should have used the DELETED brance as master tree
[07:51] <MeaCulpa> lifeless: And then add in those big files in another branch
[07:51] <MeaCulpa> So they share same ancestor
[07:52] <MeaCulpa> lifeless: My need is simple: My work have both binary and sourcecode/doc, I use ftp to store all of them, which is slow but unlimited in space
[07:53] <MeaCulpa> and use Dropbox to store source/doc, which is fast, portable but lack space
[07:53] <MeaCulpa> So now I working on the branch which pushed to dropbox, and keep thoese management chart shit in ftp
[07:54] <MeaCulpa> Have to work like this unless human beings eliminate excel
[12:02] <n00b99> is there a way to find when a particular line in a file was added/modified?
[12:14] <LeoNerd> blame/annotate  ?
[12:21] <n00b99> blame shows only the most recent revision for a particular line
[12:22] <n00b99> if there were something that showed me all revisions which include a change to a given line that might be useful
[20:33] <alkisg> Hi, what do I need to transfer to another PC in order to be able to push to my launchpad bzr branches? ~/.bazaar and what else, ~/.gnupg?
[20:38] <alkisg> Ah, .ssh, got it


[01:11] <nhaines> 10 copies of my book, too, but I'm not sure quite what to do about it yet!
[01:12] <nhaines> pleia2: I *did* catch your hint about the mailing list like a month ago when you mentioned it, but just never remembered to email about it, sorry. :)
[04:23] <pleia2> :D
[15:54] <pleia2> nhaines: is the schedule for ubucon finalized? (I see it exsts)


[01:45] <holstein> ailo: i was about to ask it you were over here
[01:45] <holstein> if you were*
[01:46] <holstein> ailo: these are things we could bring up at the next meeting
[01:46] <holstein> i need to work out a better way to announce them
[01:46] <holstein> *the meeting times
[01:46] <ailo> ok
[01:46] <holstein> ailo: where are you?
[01:46] <holstein> time zone?
[01:46] <ailo> +1
[01:47] <holstein> check out
[01:47] <holstein> http://holstein.shacknet.nu/shows/
[01:47] <holstein> what time does it say?
[01:48] <ailo> 19:30
[01:48] <holstein> :/
[01:49] <holstein> i was hoping it would change it for your TZ
[01:49] <holstein> if i make a google cal
[01:49] <holstein> and share it
[01:49] <holstein> it will
[01:49] <holstein> BUT everyone will need to have a google cal
[01:49] <holstein> and thats not cool
[01:51] <ailo> It would be nice if that was integrated into the Ubuntu wiki. I fooled around with davical, but on my own server
[01:51] <holstein> i'll figure out something
[01:52] <holstein> we'll probably wait til after the first of the year anyways
[01:52] <holstein> to have another one
[01:55] <ailo> well, to conclude upon testing, I will try to organize something for myself and see if I can get pointers from people on lau.
[01:56] <holstein> ailo: ping me up anytime
[01:56] <holstein> if you get a script you want me to try or something
[01:56] <holstein> im probably just going to try some kernels when i have time
[01:56] <holstein> and make sure firewire is working
[02:00] <ailo> hostein: Sure thing. There is one script called latentor out there, which tests jack at different settings. I will need to see what it does.
[02:01] <holstein> thats a good start
[02:55] <ScottL> holstein, we can use the #ubuntu-meeting calender on the fridge
[03:01] <holstein> ScottL: COOL
[03:01] <holstein> that'll take care of the TZ issue?
[03:01] <holstein> how do i post to that?
[03:11] <ScottL> holstein, i'm not sure to be honest
[03:12] <holstein> i'll sort it out by the next meeting time


[04:56] <TheMuso> c
[04:56] <TheMuso> ugh wrong tab
[10:00] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/3571/ <- "update of the scan
[10:00] <asac> capability patch"
[10:00] <asac> do we have that as well?
[10:16] <aantipop> is there a reason for linux-generic pointing to 2.6.24-3 and not to -4 ?
[10:21] <Mithrandir> aantipop: yes, we change it by hand when we want to push people to a new revision.  (And I uploaded that change about 30 minutes ago)
[10:21] <aantipop> thanks for the info
[17:04] <bdmurray> BenC: ping
[17:04] <BenC> bdmurray: hey
[17:05] <bdmurray> BenC: A bit ago I noticed there are 2 kernel teams in Launchpad and I wanted to get them consolidated.  I submitted a question about it - https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/12069 - and it seems like we are at a point where it can be done
[17:07] <BenC> bdmurray: problem is, kernel-team is created automatically by launchpad when we upload packages...I tried to resolve this awhile back, but I gave up trying to keep it that way
[17:07] <BenC> bdmurray: it comes from the fact that our email address is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but we don't want to use this as the team email for ubuntu-kernel-team, since it means all bug traffic will go there
[17:09] <bdmurray> BenC: Okay, that makes a bit of sense.  Can mailman filter e-mail based on the headers though - like the assignee?
[17:09] <BenC> bdmurray: not sure
[17:10] <BenC> bdmurray: what I need, and I think I asked for this from lp folks, is to be able to have a team email address (mailing list), but still have all team related emails sent to team members instead of the mailing list
[17:14] <voraistos> hi. my question not exactly kernel dev related, but maybe someone here can tell me what drivers are being used by the default ubuntu kernel for broadcom wifi cards ?
[17:14] <bdmurray> BenC: Okay, its been quite a while since I asked that question, but I think my concern was finding packages (and their bugs) maintained by the kernel team.  As both teams have packages.
[17:15] <voraistos> the kernel is 2.6.22 and i cant remember if the new versions of the drivers are being used or what.
[17:15] <voraistos> bcm43xx b43, b43legacy
[17:15] <BenC> voraistos: bcm43xx
[17:15] <voraistos> ok thank you
[17:15] <voraistos> this sucks though :(
[17:16] <BenC> using bcm43xx sucks in many ways
[17:16] <BenC> and I mean the hardware, not the driver
[17:16] <voraistos> well, it cant load the firmware, so the hardware doesnt work much :(
[17:16] <BenC> voraistos: in reality, the best way to use broadcom 43xx wireless is with ndiswrapper
[17:16] <BenC> voraistos: download the firmware then
[17:17] <voraistos> oh
[17:17] <voraistos> but i did
[17:17] <voraistos> i think i will do it all manually
[17:17] <voraistos> is the firmware located in /lib/firmware or was it patched so it goes somewhere else ?
[17:18] <BenC> voraistos: install bcm43xx-fwcutter package...it handles everything
[17:18] <voraistos> i know
[17:18] <voraistos> i just paid a visit to /lib/fimware
[17:18] <voraistos> it seems it installed the wrong one
[17:19] <BenC> Ok, I can't answer that problem
[17:19] <voraistos> probably a bug in the software that does things automatically
[17:19] <BenC> complain to broadcom for not supporting linux drivers :)
[17:19] <voraistos> but i do :P
[17:19] <voraistos> they just dont care !
[17:19] <BenC> or use ndiswrapper, or keeping mucking around with manual firmware install
[17:19] <voraistos> those $%^&**&^%
[17:19] <BenC> voraistos: then support intel wireless...they rock and deserve your purchase
[17:20] <voraistos> i was thinking about geting an atheros
[17:20] <voraistos> however my sis bought a laptop with an atheros card and i took me ages to get support for it
[17:21] <voraistos> the drivers didnt exist at first, then only an unstable incomplete one existed
[17:21] <voraistos> i used to have an intel one, but its not compatible with my new laptop
[17:23] <voraistos> ill fill in a bug report on whatever the automatic firmware installer is called, if bug there is.
[17:23] <BenC> voraistos: bcm43xx-fwcutter is unsupported (universe), and has border-line legal issues, so I wouldn't expect much
[17:24] <voraistos> is it a good idea to install a recent vanilla kernel on ubuntu? or will i loose functionality ? the splash screen is not a functionality btw.
[17:24] <BenC> voraistos: it's not a good idea, no
[17:24] <BenC> voraistos: because then we wont answer any of your questions, and we can't even guess what will happen
[17:24] <voraistos> is there a documentation page on what modifications are made to the kernel ?
[17:25] <BenC> voraistos: not a concise document, no, just the changelog, and the git history
[17:25] <voraistos> ok
[17:25] <voraistos> thank you BenC
[17:26] <voraistos> as you stated before, getting a real driver -with still a damn firmware- to at least handle hardware decryption would be best i think
[17:26] <voraistos> thank you again fro your help
[17:37] <reynaldo> hi BenC
[17:37] <reynaldo> happy new year!
[17:37] <reynaldo> :P
[23:31] <ph8> Hi all - i'm running the xen version of 2.6.22-14(-xen) and i'm having a massive problem with realtek NICs - the mac address shows up as FE:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
[23:31] <ph8> which means that bridging (and hence virtual machine hosting) doesn't work!
[23:31] <ph8> has anyone got any idea how i can fix this? I know there's a bug report in but it seems a bit stagnant


[00:21] <humphreybc> what's happening everyone
[00:30] <humphreybc> dutchie, ping
[00:30] <humphreybc> oh wait you're probably asleep
[00:30] <humphreybc> nevermind xD
[00:31] <godbyk> He was around an hour ago.
[00:50] <humphreybc> that's all good
[00:50] <humphreybc> it's like 2am there now
[00:51] <humphreybc> godbyk: i read your comments, and I think they're valid. i'll rewrite some of the quickshot wiki
[00:51] <godbyk> humphreybc: did they make sense?
[00:51] <humphreybc> sort of
[00:51] <humphreybc> :P
[00:51] <godbyk> Basically, your program should do everything automatically if it can, and only involve the user when it must.
[00:51] <humphreybc> i get the idea
[00:51] <humphreybc> yup
[00:51] <godbyk> Don't pester the user with questions that it can answer itself.
[00:51] <godbyk> Make it as easy as possible for the user.
[00:51] <humphreybc> true
[00:53] <humphreybc> could you clarify " QuickShot sets the default language to match the system language"
[00:53] <godbyk> Oh, in the dropdown list of languages, it should default to the current (system) language.
[00:54] <humphreybc> okay gotcha
[01:03] <humphreybc> godbyk: read over the new workflow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot
[01:11] <godbyk> humphreybc: Sounds a lot better.
[01:29] <humphreybc> cool... right now just have to write it :P
[02:11] <humphreybc> godbyk: i'm just trying to think what would be the best way to run the "database" of screenshots
[02:11] <godbyk> humphreybc: Just have a small MySQL db running on a web server that responds to requests from the QuickShot app for data.
[02:12] <humphreybc> yup that's what i was thinking. we need some test screenshots... and some way of populating the database from the latex screenshot thing
[02:18] <godbyk> Well, the list of screenshots that LaTeX is spitting out right now will change as the \screenshotTODOs get replaced by actual screenshots.
[02:19] <humphreybc> righto
[02:19] <humphreybc> so where should i start?
[02:27] <humphreybc> https://edge.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs xD
[02:27] <humphreybc> https://edge.launchpad.net/quickshot
[02:28] <humphreybc> i added you as a member :)
[02:39] <godbyk> cool
[02:39] <godbyk> I'd start working on the UI stuff first.. to get the workflow set up.
[02:39] <godbyk> then figure out how to take the screenshots and whatnot.
[02:39] <godbyk> we can fill in the data later.
[02:39] <godbyk> (that's the easy part)
[02:53] <humphreybc> sweet
[02:53] <humphreybc> so the UI i guess i should use glade or something?
[02:53] <humphreybc> what do you think of the logo too: http://humphreybc.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/icon192.png
[02:57] <godbyk> the ubuntu logo isn't necessary
[02:57] <godbyk> the camera icon is okay.
[02:57] <godbyk> but the desktop screenshot doesn't really fit.
[02:57] <humphreybc> true
[02:57] <humphreybc> but i can't be bothered changing it now :)
[02:58] <humphreybc> maybe in the future sometime
[03:07]  * humphreybc is blindly trying to work out glade
[06:38] <humphreybc> godbyk: you can use bzr branch lp:quickshot to see what I have so far
[06:38] <godbyk> sure
[06:38] <humphreybc> I'm using quickly and glade to create the UI. So you'd probably want to open them using those
[06:39] <humphreybc> otherwise it'll just look like nothing
[06:39] <humphreybc> if you could write a couple of lines of python that runs the program thus far, that'd be great xD
[06:39] <humphreybc> wait for about 5 mins till i push lots of changes
[06:40] <humphreybc> heh i just chatted to jono on facebook, he thinks it's a "fucking awesome" project... his words!
[06:40] <humphreybc> xD
[06:52] <godbyk> Adobe Photoshop?  Oh noes!
[06:54] <humphreybc> yeah hold up
[06:54] <humphreybc> i just lost all the work i was just doing
[06:54] <humphreybc> bloody bzr
[07:07]  * humphreybc hates diverged branches with a passion
[07:11]  * humphreybc also thinks that launchpad is ridiculously slow
[07:14] <humphreybc> okay i had to delete the branch and set up a new one
[07:14] <humphreybc> godbyk: try this one now. bzr branch lp:quickshot
[07:17] <godbyk> humphreybc: you're missing the icon.png file
[07:17] <humphreybc> huh? where?
[07:18] <godbyk> in data/media/
[07:18] <humphreybc> oh right
[07:18] <humphreybc> sure
[07:19] <humphreybc> pushing through with the icon now
[07:20] <humphreybc> hmm
[07:21] <humphreybc> it's loading the icon in glade
[07:21] <humphreybc> but not when it's run
[07:22] <godbyk> it's also looking for it in data/ui/logo.png
[07:23] <humphreybc> i wonder why the buttons are so ginormous
[07:23] <humphreybc> i fixed the icon thing
[07:23] <humphreybc> just put it in /ui
[07:24] <humphreybc> ok i've fixed the huge buttons
[07:25] <humphreybc> i can't get it to make the window smaller tho
[07:25] <godbyk> turn off the fill under the packing tab
[07:25] <godbyk> what are you using to create/edit the UI?
[07:29] <humphreybc> ah sweet
[07:29] <humphreybc> nope i got it
[07:29] <humphreybc> glade
[07:29] <humphreybc> under height request
[07:30] <humphreybc> godbyk: just pushing through some more changes
[07:30] <humphreybc> I fixed a lot of the height, spacing, padding, button sizes and logo
[07:30] <humphreybc> looks nice now
[07:35] <humphreybc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot
[07:35] <humphreybc> i put a screenshot on the wiki
[07:39] <humphreybc> godbyk: i was talking to martin owens over skype today
[07:40] <humphreybc> and he suggested that quickshot creates an entire new user
[07:40] <humphreybc> so we don't mess with people's themes and such
[07:40] <humphreybc> then we just ask them to switch user to the new user and take shots
[07:40] <godbyk> That could work.
[07:40] <godbyk> Or use the guest account.
[07:41] <humphreybc> also, instead of uploading every shot each time, he said we should create a projects directory or something in the "quickshot users" home directory, where the images are stored. Then they can capture as many as they want, and once they're finished, upload them all
[07:41] <godbyk> (The guest account would clean up after itself)
[07:41] <humphreybc> no no guest account is bad because there is hardly any read/write privilages
[07:41] <godbyk> That's true.
[07:41] <humphreybc> and he suggested instead of having a mysql database, we should just use a bzr branch
[07:41] <humphreybc> with a directory structure for languages
[07:41] <humphreybc> then quickshot can just get the bzr branch, add the images the user takes from their projects directory and push. we could enable auto merging
[07:42] <humphreybc> and to prevent the branch from getting too big, we could have one branch for each language, or one branch for each chapter
[07:43] <humphreybc> and he said something about using empty files or empty folders as a way of the app knowing if that shot has already been taken or not
[07:44] <godbyk> well, you wouldn't want to force someone to check out a branch full of images just to see which ones may still need to be created.
[07:44] <godbyk> brb
[07:47] <godbyk> back
[07:50] <humphreybc> i think i just broke the quickly run command somehow
[07:50] <humphreybc> should i push it for you to have a look?
[07:50] <humphreybc> Traceback (most recent call last):
[07:50] <humphreybc>   File "bin/quickshot", line 111, in <module>
[07:50] <humphreybc>     window = NewQuickshotWindow()
[07:50] <humphreybc>   File "bin/quickshot", line 95, in NewQuickshotWindow
[07:50] <humphreybc>     window.finish_initializing(builder)
[07:50] <humphreybc> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'finish_initializing'
[07:52] <humphreybc> is dutchie awake yet?
[07:52] <godbyk> Hey, komsas. Did you figure out how to compile the translated manual?
[07:53] <komsas> Hi, yes dutchie gave me https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg00548.html
[07:54] <godbyk> Perfect! Let me know if you run into any problems.
[07:54] <komsas> but I have one problem. But I get error "! LaTeX Error: File `polyglossia.sty' not found."
[07:55] <komsas> I dont find anything how to solve it.
[07:56] <godbyk> komsas: Did you install the TeX Live 2009?  The polyglossia package is in there.
[07:56] <komsas> yes I did
[07:56] <godbyk> It's *not* in the version of TeX Live that is in the Ubuntu repositories, unfortunately.
[07:56] <komsas> I know, I did like your wrote in that mini manual
[07:57] <godbyk> What does it say when you type: "which xelatex"?
[07:57] <komsas> /usr/bin/xelatex
[07:58] <godbyk> How about "kpsewhich polyglossia.sty"?
[07:58] <komsas> nothing
[07:59] <godbyk> Okay.  How about: "dpkg-query -s texlive-xetex | grep Status"
[08:00] <komsas> "Status: install ok installed"
[08:00] <godbyk> Ah, so it's using the old texlive stuff.
[08:00] <godbyk> open synaptic and remove all the texlive-* packages.
[08:00] <komsas> But I remove all packages
[08:00] <godbyk> Strange.  It thinks it's still installed.  Does Synaptic think it's still installed?
[08:01] <komsas> I will look..
[08:01] <godbyk> Also, what does "which tlmgr" return?
[08:02] <komsas> nothing, it strange but apt-get showing that texlive-xetex installed
[08:02] <godbyk> okay.  uninstall that.  and remove and other texlive packages that are still installed, too.
[08:03] <komsas> ok I will try
[08:05] <komsas> and after remove install text live 2009?
[08:06] <godbyk> Yes, if you haven't already installed TeX Live 2009, you'll need to do that.
[08:12] <komsas> thanks godbyk
[08:12] <godbyk> komsas: No problem.  If you continue to run into problems, feel free to pester me.
[08:17] <humphreybc> godbyk: I've changed the quickshot workflow, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot
[08:22] <godbyk> humphreybc: It may also have to install apps that aren't installed (bzr, the app that screenshot is of, the language packs and fonts)..
[08:23] <humphreybc> true
[08:25] <humphreybc> jesus i'm getting sick of this slow internet
[08:25] <humphreybc> i'm going to ring the ISP tomorrow and demand answers
[08:25] <humphreybc> hehe
[08:25] <humphreybc> 10KB/s is a good speed...
[08:25] <godbyk> humphreybc: btw, we might want to change the title of my session to "LaTeX for Authors and Translators"
[08:25] <humphreybc> okay sure, do you want to do that?
[08:26] <godbyk> Just on the wiki? I can do that.
[08:29] <humphreybc> http://www.speedtest.net/result/717233561.png
[08:29] <humphreybc> yep just on the wiki
[08:30] <godbyk> Looks like everyone hates your ISP.
[08:31] <godbyk> And I can see why, with those speeds.
[08:32] <godbyk> Gah.. too many things to do! :-)
[08:32] <godbyk> I'm going to play on the treadmill and clear my head.  When I get back, I think I'll start working on writing a style guide and work on my presentation for this LaTeX stuff.
[08:33] <godbyk> Be back in about 20 minutes.
[08:33] <humphreybc> sweet as
[08:39] <humphreybc> dutchie: could you check my feed is going to Planet UM? I've posted a few things these past couple of days and nothing appears to be getting through
[08:40] <komsas> humphreybc: I think you must come to Lithuania http://www.speedtest.net/result/717238607.png we live much better (in virtual world) ;)
[08:41] <humphreybc> wow
[08:41] <humphreybc> yeah NZ is notorious for it's incredibly slow internet speeds
[08:41] <humphreybc> we're wayy behind the rest of the world in IT advancements and networking
[09:01] <godbyk> back
[09:12] <humphreybc> well that was cool... my wireless got dropped and then network-manager crashed and refused to restart
[09:12] <humphreybc> anyway, should i push my branch for quickshot even though the command to run the program doesn't work?
[09:13] <godbyk> up to you.
[09:13] <godbyk> probably doesn't hurt, since no one's doing anything with it yet.
[09:15] <humphreybc> sweet
[09:15] <humphreybc> pushing it up now
[09:17] <humphreybc> I don't know how much of a python whizz you are
[09:18] <godbyk> Not much of one.  I haven't written any gui stuff with it yet.
[09:18] <godbyk> I've used it primarily for text processing and NLP stuff.
[09:21] <humphreybc> right
[09:21] <humphreybc> that's all good
[09:21] <humphreybc> i'll pester dutchie :D
[09:22] <humphreybc> dutchie, bzr branch lp:quickshot
[09:22] <humphreybc> heh
[11:53] <komsas> godbyk: now I get error when ran make http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d22fb8f6c something with fonts
[13:30] <ubuntujenkins> komsas I can't help much but did you run the install script?
[13:33] <komsas> yes and I get "Done! You should now be able to compile the Ubuntu manual!" so everthing is fine.
[13:35] <ubuntujenkins> when did you last run it? it was updated yesterday
[13:36] <komsas> Ok I'm going to pull
[13:41] <komsas> ubuntujenkins: nothing new, all package are installed
[13:42] <ubuntujenkins> are you compiling in english?
[13:43] <komsas> no, lithuanian
[13:45] <ubuntujenkins> Well this may be no help but check you have texlive-fonts-reccomended and texlive-latx-recommended installed. I would think the script looks for those.
[13:45] <ubuntujenkins> !paste
[13:46] <manualbot> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://ubuntu.pastebin.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from  command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic
[13:47] <ubuntujenkins> komsas I have to go to a lecture but this is the screen shot of all of the packages that I have installed http://imagebin.org/84893
[13:47] <komsas> thanks ubuntujenkins
[13:47] <ubuntujenkins> if i can i will help when i am there
[16:13] <ubuntujenkins> komsas did you solve it?
[16:28] <komsas> no, strange I installed TeX Live 2009 but synaptic showing that all packages, not like in your screenshot, are 2007.
[16:29] <komsas> before compiling texlive 2009 I removed all texlive packages.
[16:29] <ubuntujenkins> I am running Lucid so thats why the packages are different. What you you run to build in lithuainan?
[16:30] <ubuntujenkins> *lithuanian
[16:30] <komsas> 9.10
[16:31] <ubuntujenkins> I think the packages will be older versions in 9.10 should make no difference. Mine complies in english how do I compile it in lithuanian?
[16:32] <komsas> make ubuntu-manual-lt.pdf
[16:33] <dutchie> komsas: what does 'dpkg --get-selections | grep texlive' say?
[16:34] <komsas> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m7cd215e
[16:34] <ubuntujenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/376953/
[16:34] <dutchie> komsas: that output says you have texlive packages installed
[16:35] <komsas> yes, but they dont work correctly
[16:35] <dutchie> you need them not installed
[16:35] <komsas> last error was ! LaTeX Error: File `ccicons.sty' not found.
[16:35] <dutchie> to build in lithuanian
[16:36] <komsas> I did everythink like in godbyk said in email
[16:36] <komsas> mail *
[16:37] <dutchie> that output says fifferently
[16:37] <dutchie> differently*
[16:39] <dutchie> komsas: run "sudo aptitude remove texlive*"
[16:39] <komsas> and what then?
[16:40] <dutchie> it should work
[16:41] <komsas> with aptitude you cant do this, apt-get works :)
[16:43] <dutchie> why does it not work?
[16:43] <komsas> with that command it removed xelatex
[16:43] <dutchie> it should remove xelatex
[16:44] <dutchie> you want to remove the xelatex installed from the ubuntu repositories and install one from upstream
[16:44] <komsas> but I did that
[16:44] <dutchie> you didn't remove the ubuntu texlive packages
[16:45] <komsas> I did :) 2 times
[16:45] <komsas> than compile 2009
[16:45] <dutchie> well, they're still there :)
[16:45] <komsas> so I dont know from where they come :))
[16:45] <komsas> install-pkgs.sh ?
[16:46] <komsas> I think it did that, some dependences install packages again
[16:46] <komsas> I think so :)
[16:47] <ubuntujenkins> as a test I have the 2009 by default in lucid should I be able to compile it? I do get an error but a different one at the moment. I may just confuse things
[16:48] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: maybe, godbyk is really the guy to ask
[16:48] <komsas> in what time zone godbyk lives?
[16:48] <dutchie> US somewhere
[16:48] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie I know I have been trying to help
[16:49] <dutchie> komsas: can you post the install-pkgs.log file?
[16:50] <komsas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/376965/
[16:51] <dutchie> komsas: can you run through the steps of that email again?
[16:51] <dutchie> post all the output as it happens :)
[16:51] <komsas> Ok, but compiling 2009 version take a lot of time :) more then 1h
[16:51] <dutchie> sure
[16:52] <dutchie> that's fine
[18:19] <dutchie> komsas: how's it going?
[18:19] <komsas> compiling
[18:19]  * dutchie decides to have a go himself
[18:20] <komsas> dutchie: thanks for care about me :))
[18:22] <dutchie> hmm
[18:22] <dutchie> looks like I'll have to remove fedora first
[18:23] <komsas> u on fedora?
[18:23] <komsas> wow, I thougth everybody on ubuntu :))
[18:24] <dutchie> well, I have a fedora partition that I never use
[19:03] <komsas> dutchie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/377050/
[19:04] <dutchie> OK, I think it can't find the packages
[19:04] <dutchie> where are you installing texlive to?
[19:06] <komsas> default dirs http://paste.ubuntu.com/377052/
[19:06] <dutchie> hmm
[19:08] <dutchie> might be able to help more once I've finished doing it
[19:08] <komsas> I think one of pacakge from install-pkgs needs all texlive old packages, so it install all them
[19:08] <komsas> k
[19:12] <dutchie> sweet, jono just  tweeted our 48 hours event
[19:13] <annakamilla> hello
[19:14] <dutchie> hi annakamilla, can we help?
[19:14] <annakamilla> no
[19:19] <annakamilla> i was reading manual do ubuntu version beta
[19:41] <dutchie> annakamilla: did you have any feedback?
[19:57] <thorwil> godbyk: _started_ to compare font with a mean text in inkscape. sans first: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Et-w-/%2Bjunk/ubuntu_manual_cover/download/head%3A/font_test.svg-20100215185059-zy2dcn999qds8tvs-1/font_test.svg
[21:54] <godbyk> komsas: Are you still around?
[21:54] <komsas> yes, godbyk
[21:54] <komsas> did you saw me log file?
[21:54] <godbyk> I can help you with compiling the manual if you're still having problems.
[21:54] <godbyk> Yeah.
[21:54] <godbyk> Running the install-pkgs.sh script only works with the old 2007 TeX Live.
[21:55] <godbyk> It will keep installing the 2007 packages if it thinks something is missing.
[21:55] <komsas> so that to do?
[21:55] <komsas> what *
[21:55] <godbyk> (At some point, I'm going to have to migrate everything to the 2009 version -- even the English -- because the 2007 version is tool ancient.)
[21:55] <godbyk> komsas: Make sure that all the texlive-* packages are uninstalled.
[21:56] <godbyk> When you ran the TeX Live 2009 installer, did you have it install everything or a smaller subset of the packages?
[21:56] <komsas> I did all, but last time I installed only lithuanian
[21:57] <godbyk> Do you still have the install-tl script?
[21:57] <komsas> yes
[21:57] <godbyk> Let's run it again (I think it will skip things that are already installed) and we'll make sure it's installing the required packages.
[21:58] <godbyk> Go to the directory with the tl-install script and run: sudo ./tl-install
[21:58] <godbyk> Let me know when you get to the first menu.
[21:58] <komsas> ok
[21:58] <godbyk> You're at the menu?
[21:58] <dutchie> godbyk: I think the install-pkgs.sh script fails to detect the 2009 packages and then installs 2007 from the repos
[21:59] <godbyk> dutchie: It may, though it *should* detect them.. (it does on my system, at least).
[21:59] <godbyk> But yeah, that's basically what's been happening to komsas.
[22:00] <godbyk> I've been trying to avoid it, but for the glossaries to work well, and to avoid a lot of extra code, I think I'm going to have everyone switch over to 2009 soon.
[22:00] <komsas> godbyk: I'm in
[22:00] <dutchie> this is one of the reasons I started doing that tonight
[22:00] <godbyk> cool
[22:00] <godbyk> So let's start at the top.
[22:00] <godbyk> Did it deteect your platform okay?
[22:01] <komsas> yes
[22:03] <godbyk> Good.  What does it say for installation scheme?
[22:03] <godbyk> Does it say 'scheme-full'?
[22:04] <komsas> full
[22:05] <godbyk> good
[22:05] <godbyk> press L and [Enter] so we can see the languages menu
[22:05] <komsas> I'm in
[22:05] <godbyk> What languages do you have installed
[22:05] <godbyk> (I don't care about the documentation, just the top half)
[22:06] <komsas> I can choose
[22:07] <godbyk> Specifically, make sure that you have at least Lithuanian installed.
[22:07] <komsas> For me only Lithuanian and english enough
[22:07] <godbyk> (This will let us properly hyphenate Lithuanian words.)
[22:07] <godbyk> Right.
[22:07] <godbyk> So if both of those are checked, then press R to go back to the main menu
[22:07] <godbyk> Do the directories listed look okay?
[22:08] <komsas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/377052/
[22:08] <komsas> I think ok
[22:09] <godbyk> Those should work, yeah.
[22:09] <komsas> so start installation?
[22:09] <godbyk> Back at the main menu, make sure that at least the last 4 options are checked: create all format files, install doc tree, install source tree, and create symlinks.
[22:10] <godbyk> If you prefer letterpaper to A4 paper, feel free to check that option as well.
[22:10] <godbyk> Once that's done, you should be able to hit I and it'll install.
[22:10] <godbyk> If you find errors as it goes along, feel free to ping me with them.
[22:11] <komsas> thank godbyk now I jump to bed, tommorow I will ping u, bye
[22:11] <godbyk> Once TeX Live 2009 is finished installing, you *should* be able to run 'make ubuntu-manual-lt.pdf' and have it compile the manual.
[22:11] <godbyk> Okay, sleep well.
[22:13] <godbyk> And with that, I need to go shovel snow off my walk.  I'll be back in a bit.
[22:20] <humphreybc> godbyk: GUI latex editors?
[22:21] <dutchie> gedit?
[22:21] <dutchie> gvim?
[22:21] <humphreybc> okay so there are no apps actually designed for latex
[22:21] <humphreybc> you know, like creating commands and stuff
[22:22] <dutchie> there's lyx, but that has its own version of latex afaict
[22:22] <dutchie> you can use the vim latex suite with gvim
[22:23] <godbyk> humphreybc: there's kile (for kde), texmaker or something like that for gnome, there's texworks (not in the repository).
[22:23] <godbyk> I'd avoid LyX as it translates from tex to lyx and back and makes things a little messier.
[22:23] <humphreybc> okay cool, i've got a guy asking is all
[22:28] <dutchie> !info texmaker
[22:29] <dutchie> hmm
[22:29] <dutchie> manualbot: ping
[22:29] <manualbot> pong
[22:29] <manualbot> Here I am, brain the size of a planet and you expect me to respond to a ping? How depressing.
[22:29] <dutchie> !ping
[22:35] <dutchie> bug 522356
[22:35] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 522356 in ubuntu-manual "LaTex-Formatting-Bug" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522356
[22:36] <dutchie> !info texmaker
[22:36] <manualbot> dutchie: 'karmic' is not a valid distribution:
[22:37] <dutchie> !info texmaker lenny
[22:37] <manualbot> dutchie: 'lenny' is not a valid distribution:
[22:37] <dutchie> !info texmaker lucid
[22:37] <manualbot> dutchie: 'lucid' is not a valid distribution:
[22:37] <dutchie> stuff that then
[22:45] <dutchie> Installing [0975/2003, time/total: 03:54:57/08:53:19]: knuth [10137k]
[22:45] <dutchie> hmm
[22:45] <dutchie> not sure if I want an aging computer scientist on my laptop
[22:45] <dutchie> especially if he's 10M
[23:11] <humphreybc> lol
[23:11] <humphreybc> dutchie: I just pushed some more changes to quickshot
[23:11] <humphreybc> added in draft windows up to step 9
[23:12] <humphreybc> if you feel like doing some python, i'd very much appreciate it if you could link the window buttons so I can test them xD
[23:17] <dutchie> link them up to what?
[23:19] <humphreybc> each other
[23:19] <humphreybc> so when you click next it closes that window and opens the next window
[23:19] <humphreybc> like it would actually do
[23:19] <humphreybc> just so I can get an idea of how the windows are actually rendered
[23:19] <humphreybc> actually how do you make it go next but in it's own window...
[23:19] <humphreybc> hm
[23:20]  * dutchie has forgotten how to use quickly
[23:21] <humphreybc> quickly glade
[23:21] <humphreybc> quickly run
[23:21] <humphreybc> quickly create ubuntu-project <name>
[23:21] <humphreybc> i think that's about it lol
[23:22] <dutchie> well, yeah
[23:22] <dutchie> but where to put functions
[23:22] <humphreybc> oh
[23:25] <dutchie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek0909/QuicklyFun
[23:35] <humphreybc> dutchie: maybe if you could link main to setup with the next button, and also the "cancel" button so that it closes it as examples, then I can just go off them to link up the rest
[23:36] <dutchie> dutchie: I'm working on it :)
[23:36] <humphreybc> awesome xD
[23:50] <dutchie> hmm
[23:50] <dutchie> looks like I'm going to have to completely refactor the glade files
[23:58] <humphreybc> darn
[23:58] <humphreybc> did i do something wrong? :P
[23:59] <dutchie> I'm not sure if having loads of windows in one UI definition is the best thing to do


[04:32] <theCore> anyone know whether the changes in the Packaging Guide mentioned in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasierMotuing have been implemented?