[00:01] <sarnold> pyeverything: did you find the source of the packages/ :)
[00:34] <vlm> when downloading source from git and doing make and make install,later on to update,i just repeat the process or do i need remove the old stuff?
[00:35] <sarnold> vlm: it depends upon the project
[00:36] <vlm> sarnold, so i could end up with having to manually remove it? Is there any how to remove manually insatlled stuff?
[00:37] <sarnold> vlm: there's a 'checkinstall' tool, that can help you keep track of what you installed when you installed, if you use it when installing things by hand
[00:37] <genii> Some source code has make options like uninstall, distclean, or such
[00:37] <sarnold> vlm: I'll be honest though I never used it before, I'm not sure how well it works
[00:38] <vlm> sarnold, genii thanks both!
[00:42] <Seven_Six_Two> why is cmdtest being installed when I try to install yarn?
[00:42] <Seven_Six_Two> Reading state information... Done
[00:42] <Seven_Six_Two> Note, selecting 'cmdtest' instead of 'yarn'
[00:43] <genii> !info yarn
[00:44] <Seven_Six_Two> I've done searches, I'm using nvm, and I've remove+purged, updated, reinstalled. ooh...funny nobody mentioned that. why would it select a totally different package as if it's a replacement?
[00:44] <genii> Seven_Six_Two: The binary yarn is contained within the package cmdtest
[00:46] <Seven_Six_Two> interesting. thanks genii
[00:47] <genii> If you're looking instead for yarn as it relates to nodejs there is another package called yarnpkg in the Universe repository
[01:00] <Seven_Six_Two> oh ok. I just added their ppa, and it's all good now
[01:26] <barg> there's a package I can't install, when I try apt-install php-gettext, I get "E: Unable to locate package php-gettext"    How do I find out what repo it is in?  I tried "add-apt-repository universe"  but still it can't install php-gettext and gives that error.
[01:27] <sarnold> barg: package php7.4-common has a Provides: .. php7.4-gettext .. entry -- it probably has what you need
[01:28] <barg> thanks, is there a website or command that gives that info?
[01:29] <barg> ah that doesn't say what the repo is..  And what if a new php comes out i'd have to guess the name of the package that provides php-gettext?
[01:29] <sarnold> barg: sortof, hehe; I used apt-cache search php gettext, saw a list of a handful of packages and figured php7.4-common from that list looked most likely to have some answers; then ran apt-cache show php7.4-common | grep gettext to see if I had guessed correctly
[01:30] <sarnold> barg: if you've got php installed on one release, it'll probably just be upgraded to whatever is in the next release when you run do-release-upgrade
[01:30] <sarnold> barg: at least, if you've got the php metapcakage installed..
[01:36] <barg> why is it that when I do apt-get install php7.4-common    then   apt-get install php-gettext,  then I still get that error?
[01:36] <sarnold> there's no php-gettext package; the Provides: says that php7.4-command will satisfy the needs of whatever package Depends: on php7.4-gettext
[01:37] <sarnold> I'm hoping this is enough for you to use gettext in your php applications
[01:37] <barg> ok, thanks
[02:01] <heap_> hi, i have a local network 192.168.1./24 and there is a station <IP_ADDRESS> where vnc server is running on port 5633, when i open a ssh tunnel -L11000:<IP_ADDRESS>:5633 remote_hot  and then try to telnet localhost 11000 its refusing connection;;; how can i pretend i am accessing it from <IP_ADDRESS>/24? thanks
[02:06] <barg> sounds like you are on 192.168.1/24?
[02:06] <heap_> AllowTCPForwarding was the issue
[02:21] <MerryMelody> hello
[02:46] <pillager86> Is there a workaround for this bug on 20.04? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-14/+bug/1868699
[03:17] <pillager86> Where is the location of openjdk-14-doc?
[03:18] <pillager86> I installed it but javadoc isn't showing in Eclipse
[03:20] <vincenzoml> Hi all. For a custom usage scenario (related to playing music live) I would like to make an ubuntu installation which is really "barebone". I want the essential to run xfce, and no daemons that are not absolutely necessary for the purpose (for instance no cups :)). What would be a good way to start? Ubuntu-minimal? Ubuntu-server?
[03:21] <vincenzoml> My aim is to be sure no daemon may interrupt the low-latency processes at any time.
[03:21] <vincenzoml> considering e.g. apport, cron, whatever
[03:22] <Bashing-om> vincenzoml: see: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ .
[03:24] <vincenzoml> Bashing-om, interesting. So the official installation method of xubuntu-core is to install the minimal iso and then select the xubuntu-core task
[03:26] <vincenzoml> in other words the minimal iso is suitable as a start for a desktop system? I thought it was mostly for docker & c
[03:26] <roothorick> Having an odd issue on 20.04. Switched from Nvidia to AMD, solved my instability issues, but now monitors won't stay off...
[03:26] <WrathOfAchilles> vincenzoml: Correct.  Also, 20.10 isn't noted to be "released" on that page, but only because some had problems with the installer whereas others didn't.  So a bit of a hard call.
[03:26] <Bashing-om> vincenzoml: The above core install installs the xfce4 GUI and but only a few other most used apps - up to you what else you deem worthy to install.
[03:27] <vincenzoml> but does it avoid installing e.g. apport or mlocate?
[03:27] <WrathOfAchilles> mini.iso comes with the bare minimum, which doesn't include an interface.  'xubuntu-core^' should be a pretty minimal Xubuntu system.
[03:27] <roothorick> wait a second... Is there a way to see a running dump of *all* input events seen by the X server?
[03:27] <vincenzoml> I didn't get also the 20.10 bit, is there an ubuntu minimal iso of 20.10?
[03:28] <vincenzoml> Is this  asafe start? https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/minimal/daily/
[03:28] <vincenzoml> I could get groovy from there
[03:28] <sarnold> vincenzoml: yeah that's probably a good starting point
[03:29] <Bashing-om> vincenzoml: With the minimal install one has to exert a bit more effort - the core install does include apport but not mlocate.
[03:30] <sarnold> roothorick: evtest maybe?
[03:30] <vincenzoml> which is already reasonable
[03:30] <vincenzoml> now in the daily images there's an "img" file, but no ISO
[03:30] <vincenzoml> how do I proceed
[03:30] <vincenzoml> ?
[03:31] <sarnold> those images are 'live' images, not installers; you can spin them up directly in a VM and be running in seconds that way
[03:32] <sarnold> I think you should be able to dd those to a drive and boot into it; my guess is it'll resize the filesystem to suck up the whole drive on first boot
[03:32] <roothorick> From the logs it looks like amdgpu "forgets" either monitor exists and rebuilds the layout from scratch, triggering the wake. At least, it's dumping the EDID in the log each time
[03:33] <roothorick> I guess I could try wayland, but that has its own issue (confuses the crap out of SteamVR for one)
[03:35] <vincenzoml> but so, ubuntu minimal doesn't have an installer currently?
[03:35] <vincenzoml> or better put, there's no bootable iso with ubuntu minimal and an installer?
[03:37] <vincenzoml> by reading here, I'm right: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1291913/where-is-the-minimalcd-mini-iso-for-groovy-gorilla
[03:37] <Bashing-om> vincenzoml: 20.10 X core: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/pending/ .
[03:38] <roothorick> okay now I'm confused. It does the exact same thing under wayland
[03:38] <vincenzoml> Bashing-om, are you the developer or one of the developers of that ISO?
[03:38] <Bashing-om> vincenzoml: No - just a lowly user :D
[03:39] <vincenzoml> it's a pity there's no installation path that starts from a ubuntu-supplied iso
[03:39] <vincenzoml> (not the fault of the iso, indeed)
[03:40] <Bashing-om> vincenzoml: There is - Have you seen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD ?
[03:42] <vincenzoml> yes, the latest version seems to be 18.10
[03:42] <vincenzoml> sorry 18.04
[03:42] <vincenzoml> oh, there's 20.04 at the download link, but I learned elsewhere it is no longer supported for 20.10
[03:43] <vincenzoml> probably not very useful for the majority of users
[03:43] <WrathOfAchilles> FWIW, I'm Unit 193 from that site.
[03:43] <Bashing-om> vincenzoml: I do run on old hardware hense my experience with minimal installs -- and from a bare minimum I find the core install much faster and easier for a minimum/reasonable foundation.
[03:45] <vincenzoml> @WrathOfAchilles, nice to meet you! :)
[03:46] <sarnold> WrathOfAchilles: you hide in the strangest of places :)
[03:47] <WrathOfAchilles> sarnold: Always!
[03:47] <vincenzoml> WrathOfAchilles, so you also confirm, if I want to install xubuntu-core starting from ubuntu 20.10, the only current way is getting your iso?
[03:47] <vincenzoml> (or, getting the unsupported 20.04 minimal iso, do-release-upgrade, then apt install xubuntu-core^)
[03:48] <roothorick> I'm utterly confused, what could prevent the monitors from going to sleep...
[03:49] <vincenzoml> all of this, as a start, since I have a disfunctional 19.10 install. It doesn't have extfs.
[03:50] <vincenzoml> sorry, exfat
[03:51] <Bashing-om> !info exfat-utils | vincenzoml
[03:52] <sarnold> do note that 19.10 reached end of life in july 2020
[03:53] <vincenzoml> sarnold, that's precisely why I want to install a new system! :) Yes now I installed exfat-utils, thanks. I had not even tried because apt is broken since days, it can't find packages. But adding universe worked instead. Good!
[03:53] <vincenzoml> Now i can add the xubuntu-core iso to my ventoy usb stick!
[03:54] <sarnold> vincenzoml: if 19.10 is fine except for being six months out of date, you could run do-release-upgrade and get focal on the system with very little effort
[03:55] <sarnold> vincenzoml: that'd upgrade what needs to be upgraded, replace things that were replaced, etc, but should be pretty similar to what it is now
[03:55] <WrathOfAchilles> Kind of rather unfortunate to have mini.iso go away, bah..
[03:56] <vincenzoml> sarnold, I don't have enough free space for do-release-upgrade!
[03:56] <vincenzoml> it's time to reinstall sometimes
[03:56] <vincenzoml> but I can't still use my exfat
[03:56] <vincenzoml> ERROR: 'ubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso' is empty but start cluster is 0x3359e.
[03:56] <vincenzoml> I recall having read errors on that file
[03:57] <vincenzoml> but now how do I mount that?
[03:57] <vincenzoml> I tried fsck.exfat -a /dev/sdb1 but it lists the errors without fixing them
[03:58] <vincenzoml> ok I recreated that filesystem... who cares in the end :)
[03:58] <vincenzoml> thanks all for your support, time to reboot!
[03:59] <vincenzoml> bye all
[04:17] <roothorick> tracked down my issue... to a bug in AMDGPU DC, reported two years ago *to the day* and still hasn't been fixed... and something changed, because the proposed workaround only partially works...
[04:21] <sarnold> roothorick: oof. well, at least it's nice to have a *cause* identified
[04:38] <roothorick> fun fun... basically due to quirky monitor firmware the driver thinks the monitor was momentarily unplugged
[04:38] <roothorick> I actually had a similar but inconsistent issue with the preceding nvidia card, and blamed it on nvidia's drivers... it probably was the monitor itself all along
[04:43] <roothorick> workaround: when not in use, manually turn off the monitor via hardware switch. It registers as an unplug, so there's nothing to debounce.
[05:31] <OscarE> Hi, I have libc6:amd64 in a half-installed state and I'm having trouble rectifying iy
[05:51] <octav1a> Fresh install of 20.04, login screen looks fine, but after typing my password the screen is just a qlickly flashing purple and black solid color. I can press ctrl F1 to get back to the login screen again. Any idea how to fix this?
[06:02] <chalarm> octav1a: ctrl + f1, login there and check what graphics card you got by inxi -G once you logged in at the prompt perhaps you need a nvidia driver.
[06:03] <octav1a> chalarm: it has amd card
[06:03] <chalarm> octav1a: can be a AMD driver thing too
[06:03] <chalarm> does it have a Radeon RX?
[06:04] <octav1a> Do they need a proprietary one too? I'm not too up to speed on it. It's RX 570
[06:04] <chalarm> octav1a: if it's a RX570 mostlikely you want to install the proprietary driver.
[06:04] <chalarm> octav1a: https://linuxconfig.org/amd-radeon-ubuntu-20-04-driver-installation there a few ways to proceed even through 3rd party ppa.
[06:05] <octav1a> chalarm: awesome, I will give them a shot, thank you for the suggestion.
[06:08] <chalarm> good luck octav1a.
[06:09] <chalarm> it's known that AMD/NVIDIA can act up out of the box on any linux distro.
[06:54] <chalcedony`> Good evening :)
[06:55] <chalarm> good afternoon chalcedony`
[06:56] <chalcedony`> i'm trying to help my hubby with his computer which keeps freezing. We have tried so many things and it seems to be doing it every few minutes after a reboot now.
[06:56] <chalcedony`> He has ubunut 20.04 and a Ryzen 5 processor.
[06:56] <chalarm> does he see some messages or just freezes and that's it.
[06:57] <chalcedony`> just freezes. the mouse moves but he can't click or type
[06:58] <chalarm> chalcedony`: can you provide me with the following on his computer while it's still 'working' open terminal and: inxi -Frxzc0 | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:59] <chalarm> this will create a termbin link, if you can provide the link in here we can at-least look at the exact hardware he's working with.
[06:59] <chalcedony`> chalarm we just tried a solution "Apparently it's due to over queueing of frames, and setting the environment variable _GL_MaxFramesAllowes=1 solves the issue"  It froze after that, too.
[07:01] <chalarm> if you can't provide the termbin i can't help you, i'm sorry. would love to help but then just need to know the information through the termbin above and might want him to export more data but without data providing any form of help is .... 8-balling it and i won't be doing that. sorry chalcedony`
[07:01] <chalcedony`> i will try that chalarm just a moment
[07:03] <chalcedony`> chalarm inxi command not found
[07:03] <chalarm> sudo apt install inxi
[07:03] <TJ-> chalcedony`: when the GUI 'freezes' is it possible to switch to a text console with Ctrl+Alt+F2 for example? (where you'd get a "login:" prompt and could investigate logs etc. whilst GUI is frozen
[07:03] <chalarm> I'm just so used to inxi :-)
[07:04] <chalcedony`> hi TJ- another interesting idea! I haven't tried that
[07:04] <chalarm> i expect the display driver to freeze actually, that's why i wanted the 'hardware' output which inxi provides.
[07:05] <TJ-> It could be that all input focus has been frozen/is blocking due to something hogging the CPU on the GUI main loop
[07:05] <chalcedony`> chalarm https://termbin.com/gvmf
[07:05] <chalarm> aha NVIDIA graphics thought that much already.
[07:06] <chalarm> chalcedony`: did you guys install the nvidia graphics drivers or not?
[07:06] <chalarm> and indeed TJ-'s tip to check a alternative TTY (CTRL+ALT+F1,F2,F3) while the freeze occurs is wisdom.
[07:06] <chalcedony`> ok
[07:07] <chalcedony`> chalarm he doesn't think he installed it, he had a stroke, memory is affected.
[07:07] <chalarm> chalcedony`: dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[07:07] <TJ-> chalcedony`: can you also show us "pastebinit <( journalctl -k )"
[07:07] <chalarm> no worries we can confirm, if it's there or not. if the driver isn't there.
[07:08] <chalcedony`> is that dpkg lower case -l ?
[07:08] <chalcedony`> chalarm ^
[07:08] <chalarm> chalcedony`: yes it is.
[07:08] <TJ-> "L" > "l" aka --list
[07:09] <chalcedony`> chalarm it didn't come back with anything on the dpkg
[07:09] <chalarm> so the dpkg -l | grep nvidia doesn't give anything?
[07:09] <chalarm> right chalcedony` ?
[07:10] <chalcedony`> chalarm yes it didn't
[07:10] <chalcedony`> insatlling dpkg
[07:10] <chalcedony`> oops pastebinit ;P
[07:11] <chalarm> the nc termbin.com 9999 does pretty much the same if it makes you happier.
[07:11] <chalcedony`> well we got it anyhow
[07:12] <chalcedony`> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NScfkwk3B5
[07:12] <chalarm> never the less, this means he's using the opensource nouveau driver mostlikely as this comes out of the box and we just confirmed that he didn't have any package with "nvidia" installed.
[07:13] <chalcedony`> ok yes
[07:13] <chalarm> and as he has NVIDIA propriatery hardware this is 99% the case of the GUI crashing, this would be confirmed by the TTY that keeps working.
[07:14] <chalarm> protip: Don't forget to remove any of the environment settings you put in place before installing the driver.
[07:14] <chalcedony`> ahh
[07:14] <chalcedony`> ok how do we get the NVIDIA drivers?
[07:15] <chalarm> chalcedony`: https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/how-to-install-nvidia-driver-on-ubuntu/
[07:15] <chalcedony`> thanks :)
[07:15] <TJ-> chalarm: "ubuntu-drivers"
[07:15] <chalarm> skip to the part where Settings & Lifepatch is at.
[07:15] <chalcedony`> ok
[07:16] <TJ-> chalcedony`: usually, for proprietary drivers, use "ubuntu-drivers devices" to discover what is available and "ubuntu-drivers install ..." to install the recommended driver
[07:16] <chalarm> TJ-: Ubuntu-drivers is in the link i just provided.
[07:17] <chalarm> ubuntu-drivers autoinstall should be the easy way of doing it.
[07:17] <TJ-> chalarm: autoinstall was deprecated to avoid problems with it making the wrong choice :)
[07:18] <TJ-> 2 steps forward, 1 back :D
[07:18] <chalarm> hah. sorry i sometimes miss the 'news' however if that's the case sure.
[07:20] <TJ-> i know that feeling! technology these days feels more like an out-of-control snowball rolling down a mountain-side!
[07:20] <chalarm> anyways I'm too used to providing support with inxi that's why i let people install it TJ. It's easier for myself too as now in a one liner i can see it's a   Device-1: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] vendor: eVga.com. driver: nouveau
[07:20] <chalarm> TJ: you know after 'doing' opensource for 20 years, everything just becomes binary at some point.
[07:20] <TJ-> chalarm: no arguments there; I only manage to drop in here occassionally these days
[07:21] <TJ-> chalarm: funny things is, for me, inxi hides too much info. I'm far more comfortable with raw output I can actually relate to underlying drivers, e.g. lspci -nnk and kernel log :)
[07:22] <chalarm> for me it's kinda like a way to 'give back' and 'be better' you know, since for a lot of persons reading and providing the asked information (had somebody yesterday not here) whom simply didn't want to provide a " inxi -Frxzc0 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[07:23] <chalarm> TJ: i would say i'm comfortable with that but i also would like the person I'm trying to help to understand what i'm actually asking from them and when it comes to kernel log, they don't have a clue 99%.
[07:23] <chalarm> and these driver related problems we can troubleshoot without having the kernel log imho. As we see a NVIDIA prop chipset on nouveau and this has been a PITA for a bigger time.
[07:23] <TJ-> chalarm: indeed - my experience has been that without the raw info, it can often take hours to finally identify and solve and issue that was revealed in kernel log :)
[07:23] <chalarm> chalcedony`: how are you managing?
[07:24] <chalarm> TJ-: anyways, different ways to get to a same result, a happy user.
[07:25] <chalarm> if that's the end-result I'm happy for them and myself. can't always get to that point however.
[07:28] <chalcedony`> chalarm it doesn't have any Ubuntu-drivers?
[07:29] <chalcedony`> hubby doesn't remember how to find the main screen either, so using command line (i can find that)
[07:30] <chalarm> Ubuntu-drivers is with a capital U you didn't by any chance use the lowercase right?
[07:30] <chalcedony`> chalarm so now sudo autoinstall them
[07:30] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either on tty7 or tty1. From a text console that's Alt+F7 or Alt+F1
[07:31] <chalcedony`> thanks chalarm i told him, is it ok to continue with commands?
[07:32] <chalcedony`> chalarm, I used upper case.
[07:33] <chalarm> we can do it command line yes: Ubuntu-drivers gives what? "Ubuntu-drivers: command not found"?
[07:34] <chalcedony`> [23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either on tty7 or tty1. From a text console that's Alt+F7 or Alt+F1[23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either on tty7 or tty1. From a text console that's Alt+F7 or Alt+F1[23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either on tty7 or tty1. From a text console that's Alt+F7 or Alt+F1[23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either on tty7 or tty1. From a text console
[07:34] <chalcedony`> that's Alt+F7 or Alt+F1[23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either on tty7 or tty1. From a text console that's Alt+F7 or Alt+F1[23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either on tty7 or tty1. From a text console that's Alt+F7 or Alt+F1[23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either on tty7 or tty1. From a text console that's Alt+F7 or Alt+F1[23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either on tty7 or tty1.
[07:34] <chalcedony`> From a text console that's Alt+F7 or Alt+F1[23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either on tty7 or tty1. From a text console that's Alt+F7 or Alt+F1[23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either on tty7 or tty1. From a text console that's Alt+F7 or Alt+F1[23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either o[23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either on tty7 or tty1. From a text console that's Alt+F7 or
[07:34] <chalcedony`> Alt+F1[23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI is usually either on tty7 or tty1. From a text console that's Alt+F7 or Alt+F1[23:30:12] <TJ-> chalcedony`: GUI chalarm yes.
[07:35] <chalcedony`> the cat walked on the laptop .. so sorry
[07:36] <chalarm> lolz. it appears the manual was wrong in this case it's small case
[07:36] <chalarm> try that please
[07:36] <chalarm> ubuntu-drivers
[07:36] <chalarm> without anything
[07:36] <chalcedony`> ok
[07:36] <chalarm> if that atleast gives some feedback: ubuntu-drivers devices
[07:37] <chalarm> ubuntu-drivers devices | grep recommended
[07:37] <chalcedony`> chalarm it offers Usage and Commands
[07:37] <chalarm> chalcedony`: so by any mains: ubuntu-drivers devices | grep recommended
[07:38] <chalcedony`> charlm it didn't say that and it's still downloading.
[07:38] <chalarm> ok then we just wait :-)
[07:38] <chalcedony`> okies :)
[07:39] <chalcedony`> chalarm laughing it's saying 1 hour and a lot of minutes.. we have a VERY tiny connection
[07:39] <chalarm> so, take your time, i'll brb.
[07:43] <chalarm> I'm back, needed todo a quick reboot.
[07:55] <chalarm> chalcedony: question: how many hours remaining *harhar*
[07:57] <chalcedony`> chalarm it keeps getting more, i'm on 42
[07:58] <chalarm> chalcedony`: oone of the things i noticed was you're using the us mirror are you based in the us?
[07:58] <chalcedony`> 28% .. and yes we are us
[07:59] <chalcedony`> we just are out in the country and slow dsl is all they offer here
[08:00] <chalarm> just need to sit it out. need these stuff anyways :-)
[08:14] <TJ-> chalcedony`: roll on StarLink then!
[08:15] <chalarm> ZzZ waiting for the Internet in the US to be great again *sorry bad joke, couldn't resist and I'm not trolling chalcedony`*
[08:16] <chalcedony`> chalarm sometimes you wonder if it is even moving
[08:17] <chalarm> chalcedony`: I can tell you in the US it's far from moving but too much political stuff involved too providers not evolving their networks.
[08:18] <chalarm> (sorry this networking thing has been my field of work for the best decade+).
[08:19] <chalcedony`> chalarm there has been some progress, a big grant to boost rural internet, it's playing out slowly
[08:19] <chalcedony`> we are lucky to have the dsl.. they cut off our neighbors and hopefully comcast will come this way at some point
[08:19] <chalarm> chalcedony`: the problem is the technology behind it, to boost rural internet, one can for example move to a technology which is called GPON, however for a lot of providers they want to keep doing what they're doing.
[08:20] <chalarm> so that's indeed comcast (docsis) or dsl.
[08:20] <chalcedony`> comcast should be fiber & cable
[08:20] <chalarm> I'm based at the otherside of the globe, if you don't believe it's a flat thing. I'm based in Thailand here 'broadband' based on Fiber and GPON has been the standard and the way they're deploying it....
[08:21] <chalcedony`> flat thing?
[08:21] <chalarm> chalcedony`: don't forget comcast is coming from being a 'cable' company and therefore politics within the company will be in place to remain mainly cable based (docsis)
[08:21] <chalcedony`> yes
[08:21] <chalarm> chalcedony`: some people consider the world not round, i don't argue with them :-)
[08:21] <acresearch> people, i need your help in downgrading a program,   in my system i have gromacs 2020    gromacs 2019    how can i do that with apt?
[08:22] <chalcedony`> haha
[08:22] <chalcedony`> it's finally unpacking chalarm :)
[08:24] <chalcedony`> Done!
[08:24] <chalarm> chalcedony`:  comcast as a mainly cable based company with still strong roots as a cable company. therefore it's internal politics will always strongly push docsis.
[08:24] <chalarm> anyways, doesn't matter if people get Internet and not DSL (and again VDSL2+ can be a feasible working alternative).
[08:25] <chalarm> chalcedony`: great.
[08:25] <chalcedony`> yes. um you meant flat earth :)
[08:25] <chalarm> ubuntu-drivers devices | grep recommended
[08:25] <chalarm> if you're there :-)
[08:25] <chalcedony`> the company with dsl wants to get rid of it
[08:27] <chalcedony`> chalarm driver   : nvidia-340 - distro non-free recommended
[08:27] <chalarm> chalcedony`: ubuntu-drivers install nvidia-340
[08:27] <chalarm> should do the trick :-)
[08:28] <chalcedony`> chalarm, fantastic
[08:29] <chalarm> and after that a reboot (shutdown -r now or reboot) and let us know if your husband can then enjoy his computer for longer then a few minutes.
[08:29] <chalarm> obviously it might need sudo infront of it but i guess you already guessed that chalcedony` for installing the driver: sudo ubuntu-drivers install nvidia-340
[08:30] <chalcedony`> ok
[08:31] <chalarm> and the sudo reboot or sudo shutdown -r now :-)
[08:31] <chalarm> I hope we fix your husbands problem.
[08:32] <chalcedony`> chalarm after all that "No drivers found for installation"
[08:32] <chalarm> huh
[08:32] <chalcedony`> that's what i said
[08:32] <chalarm> chalcedony`: sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[08:32] <chalcedony`> ok
[08:33] <chalarm> chalcedony`: sudo apt install nvidia-340 this would do the same.
[08:33] <chalarm> if it's really 'bitching' as it did give us the tip for the nvidia-340 drivers.
[08:33] <chalcedony`> chalarm it listes nvidia-340
[08:33] <chalarm> so that's great.
[08:33] <chalarm> so now proceed with the: sudo apt install nvidia-340
[08:33] <chalcedony`> yes but it couldn't install them
[08:34] <chalcedony`> i'll try it again
[08:34] <chalarm> try this instead of the ubuntu-drivers thing as it's just a wrapper.
[08:34] <chalarm> so sudo apt install nvidia-340 instead of sudo ubuntu-drivers install nvidia-340.
[08:35] <chalcedony`> chalarm it says it's already the newest version
[08:35] <chalarm> ok perhaps it did do magic for you :-)
[08:35] <chalarm> i guess it did one way to find out reboot :-)
[08:35] <chalcedony`> ok
[08:35] <chalcedony`> ctl -r you said/
[08:35] <chalcedony`> ?
[08:36] <chalarm> ctrl+alt+del if you want 3 finger solute or type sudo reboot or sudo shutdown -r now
[08:36] <chalarm> after reboot: inxi -G
[08:37] <chalcedony`> okies it's restarting
[08:38] <chalarm> chalcedony`: after reboot we want to see: "inxi -G | pastebin"
[08:38] <TJ-> we also want to see a GUI :)
[08:39] <chalarm> TJ-: that's a extra. :-0
[08:39] <chalcedony`> oh weird, it's erroring i think .. something new. numbers snd_hda_intel 00009:00.3 : Noresponse from codec, resetting bus last cmd=
[08:40] <chalcedony`> it keeps doing that
[08:40] <chalcedony`> chalarm i don't think it's booting
[08:42] <chalarm> hm. that's bad  news we didn't want to here.
[08:42] <TJ-> ouch - that suggests possibly the HDMI audio channel problem
[08:43] <TJ-> chalarm: is that error message continuing or did it stop after a few reports?
[08:43] <chalarm> you mean chalcedony` ^
[08:46] <chalcedony`> chalarm, TJ- it seems to have frozen.
[08:48] <chalcedony`> It printed INFOtask systemd-shutdow1 blocked for more than 362 seconds. Not tainted 5.4.0-59-generic #65 ubuntu .. a block of stuff RIP: 0033:0x8f1009c37487
[08:48] <chalcedony`> Code Bad RIP value.
[08:49] <TJ-> chalcedony`: oh... this was a result of the shutdown not completing, rather than during the fresh boot ?
[08:49] <chalcedony`> then i have lines with RSP: RAX: RDX: RBP R10: R13: and froze
[08:49] <chalcedony`> this is restarting
[08:49] <TJ-> chalcedony`: in which case hold the power button down for about 5-10 seconds so it is forced off, then restart
[08:50] <chalarm> you can try booting with nomodeset but anyways i'll hand you over too TJ for a bit.
[08:51] <chalcedony`> i certainly appreciate your help chalarm :)
[08:51] <chalcedony`> TJ- he's rebooting it
[08:52] <chalarm> your more then welcome chalcedony`
[08:52] <chalcedony`> that worked :)
[08:52] <chalarm> a reboot and it worked? booted?
[08:55] <toymaker> anyone here use protondb in ubu 20.04?
[09:12] <Salatwurzel> Hello, on my keyboard i have a FN key. When i press FN+F10 (Play/Pause) while a video in firefox is paused, it plays/pauses the video instead of music in spotify. Is there a way i can "ban" firefox or letting ubuntu ignore it? Or making spotify always priority #1?
[09:15] <Salatwurzel> (I'm using vanilla gnome)
[09:21] <ThinkT510> Salatwurzel: my guess is that it will apply it to whatever window has focus (in your case that would be firefox)
[09:25] <Salatwurzel> ThinkT510, I'm using it mostly when World of Warcraft is focused, that's what it makes so annoying ;)
[09:55] <cjoke> how to change language in terminal/console ?
[09:59] <cjoke> I got it , soz, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> toymaker: best to ask your specific issue in the channel
[10:36] <prOMiNd> hello, I just did upgrade to 20.04 from 18.04 and receiving this when logged in my user: ls: reading directory '.': Permission denied
[10:36] <prOMiNd> permissions are fine
[10:46] <tomreyn> prOMiNd: did you get a shell though? is ths a server, or a desktop?
[10:46] <prOMiNd> server 20.04
[10:46] <prOMiNd> getting weird errors<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
[10:49] <tomreyn> so you got a shell, or not?
[10:51] <prOMiNd> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2021-01-09 12:49:39 EET; 1min 1s ago
[10:51] <prOMiNd> yes I do
[10:51] <prOMiNd> but when I type ls it prints the error in my first message, rsync is not working and is needed
[10:52] <tomreyn> does apt look ok?  sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[10:52] <prOMiNd> yes
[10:52] <prOMiNd> fully updated
[10:52] <tomreyn> no warnings, no errors?
[10:52] <prOMiNd> yes
[10:52] <prOMiNd> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:52] <tomreyn> full-upgrade also complete?
[10:53] <prOMiNd> yep
[10:53] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:54] <tomreyn> is the ubuntu-server package installed?
[10:55] <prOMiNd> its systemd error as I read
[10:55] <prOMiNd> systemd.legacy_systemd_cgroup_controller=1
[10:56] <TJ-> prOMiNd: looks like a logind failure; what  does "pwd" report?
[10:56] <prOMiNd> same directory as it should be
[10:57] <TJ-> prOMiNd: what about "id" ?
[10:57] <TJ-> prOMiNd: or better, "id -n"
[10:57] <prOMiNd> same as my user, these are checked long before I ask, the issue seems to be in systemd
[10:57] <prOMiNd> running some tests now and will report
[10:59] <TJ-> prOMiNd: for a permission denied response, it'd be either ownership or modes, or possibly ACLs
[10:59] <prOMiNd> can´t recall doing any ACLs
[10:59] <prOMiNd> just upgraded to 20.04 and it appeared, nothing else is changed
[10:59] <TJ-> prOMiNd: have you checked with "getfacl ."
[11:00] <prOMiNd> hm, no
[11:00] <prOMiNd> acl is not even installed
[11:00] <TJ-> prOMiNd: I'd also try running "strace ls" to capture at what point the permission denied is being generated; it may give some clues
[11:01] <prOMiNd> good point
[11:01] <TJ-> prOMiNd: current directory does have x (traverse) bit set?
[11:01] <prOMiNd> readlink("/proc/368531/exe", 0x7fff03c77a70, 256) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[11:02] <prOMiNd> write(2, ": Permission denied", 19: Permission denied)     = 19
[11:06] <TJ-> prOMiNd: strange; running 'strace ls' here (which succeeds) I see no attempts to access any /proc/{PID}/ node at all
[11:06] <prOMiNd> no clue
[11:06] <prOMiNd> rebooted and now it doesn´t come back
[11:07] <TJ-> prOMiNd: you mean it won't boot, or the error has gone away?
[11:08] <prOMiNd> won´t boot
[11:08] <TJ-> prOMiNd: where does it get stuck?
[11:08] <prOMiNd> no idea, its 100km away from me
[11:09] <unimatrix9> hello all you good people
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> welcome unimatrix9
[11:09] <TJ-> prOMiNd: KVM/IPMI ?
[11:09] <unimatrix9> how is it going around here ?
[11:09] <prOMiNd> nope, will deal with it on Monday, thanks for all the help :)
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> unimatrix9: come over to #ubuntu-discuss for a chitchat
[11:10] <unimatrix9> i have a rather technical quest, is there a way to hack the highlighting text , so that it does underline instead of a color box
[11:10] <unimatrix9> ( no chitchat )
[11:11] <unimatrix9> ubuntu 20.01 LTS
[11:11] <unimatrix9> alll tips are welcome
[11:12] <TJ-> unimatrix9: in what application?
[11:12] <tomreyn> unimatrix9: which software are you referring to?
[11:12] <unimatrix9> evince / firefox / gedit -- system wide i guess
[11:13] <tomreyn> and you probably mean Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS
[11:13] <unimatrix9> true
[11:13] <tomreyn> can you post a screenshot to imgur.com
[11:13] <TJ-> unimatrix9: so far I as I ma aware, no, that wouldn't be possible systemwide
[11:14] <TJ-> unimatrix9: generally selected items are displayed with inverted colours
[11:14] <TJ-> unimatrix9: hence the 'box' as you call it; the background colour is inverted
[11:14] <tomreyn> no need for the screenshot then
[11:15] <unimatrix9> a yes i see , did not know that, good tip
[11:15] <unimatrix9> so where is it configured ?
[11:15] <TJ-> unimatrix9: desktop theme usually; sometimes overridable in applications (can also depend on Accessibility settings and be further modified)
[11:19] <lbarksdale> Hello, I am having freezes on booting Ubuntu (from live USB) 18.04, 20.04 and 20.10, but not 16.04, on my Dell XPS 8920 desktop. I've removed my NVIDIA graphics card and am only using the onboard graphics (to eliminate that as a potential cause). After booting, the splash screen goes for a bit and then freezes (before login screen). I've tried the graphics safe mode and same result. Any ideas what might have changed between
[11:19] <lbarksdale>  16.04 and 18.04 to cause this?
[11:21] <TJ-> lbarksdale: when splash 'freezes' are you able to tap Esc key and see the console messages?
[11:21] <unimatrix9> ok, thanks
[11:23] <lbarksdale> I can't hit escape and see the messages (I think it might be a hard freeze), but I can run 'nosplash' on Grub. On 20.10 I get "Booting a command list" and nothing else.
[11:24] <lbarksdale> On 20.04 I think I get a message about initramfs failing or something, but just that message with a blinking cursor that stops blinking after a while. I can restart 20.04 and double check if that's helpful
[11:26] <tomreyn> lbarksdale: so botting into recovery fails, too?
[11:27] <tomreyn> *booting :)
[11:28] <TJ-> "Booting a command list" is GRUB ... if you see nothing after that then the kernel isn't loading
[11:28] <lbarksdale> when you say recovery, is that different from "safe graphics"?
[11:28] <TJ-> lbarksdale: is the system booting in UEFI or BIOS mode?
[11:29] <lbarksdale> UEFI, though I tried to do it in legacy without success too
[11:29] <TJ-> lbarksdale: 'recovery' is an option in the GRUB > Advanced options sub-menu
[11:29] <tomreyn> !recovery
[11:29] <TJ-> lbarksdale: tapping Esc key as GRUB loads to get the GRUB menu, then accessing the sub-menu and choosing one of the options there
[11:30] <lbarksdale> I see I'll give that a shot. Also I just booted 20.04, current messages: Initramfs unpacking failed: Decoding failed
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> unimatrix9: see also this dark reader addon for firefox, https://darkreader.org/ it highlights url's nicely in a dark theme
[11:31] <tomreyn> specifically one of the options *saying "Recovery"*
[11:31] <lbarksdale> cursor was flashing underneath that single line for maybe 30 seconds, then stopped flashing (seemingly fully frozen now)
[11:31] <lbarksdale> But I'll hard reset and give recovery a shot
[11:31] <TJ-> lbarksdale: it's possible for 20.04 the /boot/ file-system ran out of space and you've got a truncated initrd.img-$VERSION
[11:31] <tomreyn> lbarksdale: this message is expected on 20.04 currently (it's a bug, but an unrelated non.critical one)
[11:32] <unimatrix9> ok thank you
[11:32] <lbarksdale> tomreyn, good to know.
[11:33] <lbarksdale> TJ-, is that possible on the live disc (what I'm using)?
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> unimatrix9: and lolcat to colorize terminal commands
[11:35] <tomreyn> lbarksdale: "Initramfs unpacking failed: Decoding failed" is bug 1835660 - if you want to read up on it, but, as i said, that's unlikely to be related (although it *could* also be a result of the situation TJ- discussed, where the initrd was not written proerly due to a file system which ran full - but that's just one of many possible reasons)
[11:36] <unimatrix9> have a nice day
[11:38] <TJ-> lbarksdale: ahhh, didn't realise this was ALL with live boots
[11:39] <lbarksdale> It's also happening with an install to hard drive, but I focused on testing with the live boots to avoid idiosyncrasies of that install
[11:40] <TJ-> lbarksdale: right, so it does sound like a hardware issue of some kind
[11:40] <lbarksdale> The recovery mode wiki from ubottu didn't seem to describe what I see in the 20.04 live disc grub, so I followed this: https://www.linuxtechi.com/boot-ubuntu-20-04-rescue-emergency-mode/
[11:40] <TJ-> lbarksdale: especially that early on
[11:41] <lbarksdale> I seem to be getting the same behavior in recovery mode (initramfs message followed by freeze)
[11:41] <tomreyn> if recovery also fails, your next steps could be to boot with the dis_ucode_ldr kernel command line parameter (although i *think* this is already part of the recovery kernel boot in 20.04)
[11:43] <tomreyn> i'm not certain that the "recovery" parameter is exactly the same as "systemd.unit=rescue.target"
[11:43] <tomreyn> in fact these screen shots seem to suggest it is not
[11:44] <lbarksdale> Is it normal for me not to see recovery mode in the boot menu of Grub (for the live disc)?
[11:44] <Ublx> where is "gsd-media-keys" for? it uses lots of memory since a week or so. at the moment over 680MB.
[11:45] <tomreyn> lbarksdale: i think you should see it, but i'm happy to give it a try, too. which ubuntu release iso are you using exactly, and are you booting it in uefi mode, or legacy bios?
[11:45] <kontra2> Hello I need assistance regarding grub bootloader been deleted
[11:45] <lbarksdale> 20.04 in UEFI
[11:45] <tomreyn> !grub | kontra2
[11:45] <tomreyn> lbarksdale: so 20.04.0? on amd64?
[11:46] <lbarksdale> sorry 20.04.1
[11:46] <lbarksdale> on amd64
[11:46] <tomreyn> desktop, right?
[11:46] <lbarksdale> yup
[11:48] <Ublx> couldn't find anything with google. i am still using 18.04.
[11:48] <lbarksdale> So adding dis_ucode_ldr gives me an additional message before initramfs: [Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x52 (or later)
[11:48] <lbarksdale> Otherwise same behavior
[11:49] <lbarksdale> I should mention I updated my BIOS firmware to Dell's latest because of some of the posts I saw. Unfortunately hasn't made a difference.
[11:51] <tomreyn> lbarksdale: you're right, there's no "recovery" option on the 20.04.1 installer UEFI boot menu
[11:52] <tomreyn> lbarksdale: what you can do is to press 'e' on the menu, scroll down to the line starting 'linux', remove 'quiet splash', add 'debug systemd.log_level=info'
[11:53] <tomreyn> then press xtrl-x to boot this.
[11:53] <tomreyn> * ctrl-x
[11:53] <tomreyn> !bootlog
[11:54] <tomreyn> you can also add 'recovery', which i think should still bring you to the recovery menu
[11:54] <tomreyn> that's if the initrd loads properly
[11:56] <tomreyn> Ublx: 'gsd' there stands for 'gnome-settings-daemon', media keys are the play, pause, internet, email etc. keys some keyboards have (often those are multi-purpose keys)
[11:57] <Ublx> tomreyn: ah, thanks. they are not active but they use 638 MB of my RAM. Why that?
[11:57] <Ublx> Or do I need them?
[11:58] <Ublx> Or is the Super-Key included in them?
[11:58] <lbarksdale> Getting a lot more output now, most scrolled off the top of the screen. Last message was : name nvme0: controller is down; will reset: CSTS=0xffffffff, PCI_STATUS=0xffff
[11:59] <tomreyn> Ublx: is this virtual memory by chance?
[11:59] <lbarksdale> I'll try adding recovery to it
[11:59] <Ublx> tomreyn: no, it's under MEMORY not virtual.
[12:00] <Ublx> virtual is 2.1GB...!?
[12:00] <Ublx> for media keys!?
[12:01] <tomreyn> Ublx: that' sunually much, yes. do you have gnome customizations there, non standard gnome extensions loaded?
[12:02] <tomreyn> and can you show the full output of where you see the memory allocation?
[12:02] <tomreyn> !paste
[12:02] <lbarksdale> tomreyn, same output now with recovery
[12:03] <TJ-> lbarksdale: It feels to me like a hardware/firmware induced issue
[12:04] <Ublx> tomreyn: i checked with the gui tool. how can i get the memory informations by cli? is top enough?
[12:05] <lbarksdale> TJ-, that sounds right. The big mystery to me is why does 16.04 work fine
[12:05] <Ublx> tomreyn: 4816 trader    20   0 2236068 708920   8828 S   0,0  4,3  13:32.99 gsd-media-keys
[12:05] <|subz3r0|> Hi. I have an airgapped Ubuntu 18.04 with A LOT of performance issues due to kernel mitigiations of Spectre and such. The system is running Kernel 4.15. Can anyone tell me please how I can disable the mitigations? all of them
[12:05] <Ublx> ( PID USER      PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU %MEM     ZEIT+ BEFEHL)
[12:06] <tomreyn> |subz3r0|: same as i just told you in #ubuntu-de
[12:06] <TJ-> lbarksdale: could be 16.04 isn't trying to enable some functionality early on. I think you should check and follow tomreyn's advice about ensuring the microcode loader is disabled. The reason being Ubuntu prefixes the initrd with updated microcodes
[12:07] <tomreyn> Ublx: thanks for the ps output. repeating my previous question: do you have gnome customizations there, non standard gnome extensions loaded? also, what's the uptime?
[12:07] <TJ-> lbarksdale: oh fooey, I  missed that you've already tried that
[12:07] <Ublx> tomreyn: here the top 5: https://paste.noname-ev.de/9606
[12:07] <|subz3r0|> tomreyn: I guess that does not work. Since infos I found related to this say exactly only for kernel 4.19 (partially) and for kernel 5.x
[12:08] <Ublx> tomreyn: i have to check where i find the extensions. and what do you mean by "uptime"? sorry.
[12:10] <tomreyn> |subz3r0|: no need to guess, you can query the state by looking at /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities
[12:10] <|subz3r0|> https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-kernel-gets-another-option-to-disable-spectre-mitigations/
[12:10] <Ublx> tomreyn: 'ls ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/' outputs: 'activities-config@nls1729  hibernate-status@dromi  <EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>- that's what you meant?
[12:10] <tomreyn> |subz3r0|: or use https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker
[12:11] <|subz3r0|> tomreyn: why should I use it? its already checked that everything is implemented
[12:11] <|subz3r0|> on zdnet you can see only spectre v2 can be disabled via grub
[12:11] <|subz3r0|> am not sure how this affects ubuntu. since ubuntu kernel differs from usual debian kernel a bit
[12:12] <Ublx> ah, uptime is how long the system is running?
[12:12] <|subz3r0|> The question was how I can disable all of them on Ubuntu 18.04 with Kernel 4.15
[12:12] <cjoke> Ublx: cat /proc/meminfo
[12:13] <Ublx> so, you mean just trying to restart?
[12:13] <tomreyn> Ublx: yes, the "uptime" command would return this info
[12:13] <Ublx> here the meminfo: https://paste.noname-ev.de/9607
[12:14] <Ublx> uptime: up 2 days, 23 hours, 57 minutes
[12:14] <lbarksdale> TJ-, yeah :) I could just install 16.04 and then try to upgrade, but I'm pretty sure whatever's causing the problem will rear its head again. Really mysterious, and 16.04 is not that far from EOL
[12:15] <tomreyn> |subz3r0|: this zdnet article does not seem to mention "mitigations=off", its also a dated articles, this is not a great source for linux info, and i'd usually prefer to go with kernel.org info.
[12:17] <tomreyn> |subz3r0|: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html search for 'mitigations'
[12:17] <TJ-> lbarksdale: does it usually at least start the kernel?
[12:18] <lbarksdale> TJ-, I'm getting a bunch of messages with the debug argument tomreyn gave me, so I think so?
[12:18] <lbarksdale> The messages just before seem to be about hard drives being attached
[12:19] <TJ-> lbarksdale: I'm wondering if you could try dropping to a shell in the initramfs if it gets that far. To do that you'd add "break=top" to the kernel command-line... to discover later locations in initialramfs you can break at, do "grep maybe_break /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init" (that's the shell script that controls initrd operations at boot-time)
[12:19] <TJ-> lbarksdale: if you're lucky you could then move on stage-by-stage to try to narrow down where exactly the freeze is hitting
[12:19] <tomreyn> Ublx: so you have alsomost 3 days of uptime (which is not a lot, but it seem to have been enough for your specific gnome configuration to trigger a memory leak in gsd-media-keys).
[12:20] <tomreyn> Ublx: is this system fully updated?
[12:21] <tomreyn> Ublx: you also still have 12 GB of 16 GB RAM available. so this doesn't really seem to be of much concern, is it?
[12:23] <Ublx> tomreyn: hm, the system slows down as soon as I have firefox and for example krita open.
[12:23] <chalcedony> good morning :)
[12:23] <Ublx> it's "almost" fully updated. the backup is running this evening.
[12:23] <tomreyn> lbarksdale: if you can share the output that's on screen by the time it freezes with the 'debug' boot (a photo taken of the screen, uploaded to imgur, url shared here) , this may be helpful, too,
[12:23] <chalcedony> tomreyn, lovely to see you :)
[12:24] <tomreyn> chalcedony: you, too, thanks.
[12:24] <tomreyn> !xy | Ublx
[12:24] <chalcedony> it looks like you're helping already with systems that won't boot. add my hubby's 20.04 to that list?
[12:24] <Ublx> tomreyn: what surprises me is that it changed. my programs ran much better. and i never had the media-keys as the most memory extensive pid
[12:24] <TJ-> chalcedony: is that since moving to the Nvidia driver ?
[12:25] <chalcedony> TJ-, yes
[12:25] <tomreyn> Ublx: in the future, please state the imediate support question, if there is one
[12:25] <TJ-> chalcedony: urghh!
[12:25]  * tomreyn runs after reading 'nvidia'
[12:26] <chalcedony> TJ-, it booted ok and then froze after about 30 mins, and has been freezing several times since then, and now when he tries to restart it it gets part way through the ubuntu boot, some of the text and numbers scroll past fast and it freezes on a bluish lit screen or a - on black.
[12:26] <Ublx> tomreyn: okay, but i didn't know about the x,y,z. i just noticed that my system was running slower with breaks and I saw the media keys with a big memory amount. so, i only asked here where the media keys are for and if it is normal that they use so much memory ...
[12:27] <Ublx> that was my question and i asked it.
[12:27] <Ublx> but thank you!
[12:28] <tomreyn> Ublx: you're welcome. i think we did discuss the gds-media-keys problem. you could look for existing bug reports on it. note that this *could* be related to which gnome extensions you have loaded, which is why i suggested to check whether you are running non default ones.
[12:29] <chalcedony> TJ-, these are from one of the last times it booted  dmesg | pastebin https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Fkr3g3rx6w/ and  journalctl -k | pastebin https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d3GMJ5JNv8/
[12:29] <Ublx> tomreyn: thanks.
[12:29] <tomreyn> Ublx: i.e. if you can't reproduce the problem with your custom extensions disabled, this could hint on them triggering it.
[12:30] <Ublx> tomreyn: perfect! thanks.
[12:30] <tomreyn> Ublx: you can also run 'journalctl -f' in a terminal and see ho wmany gnome related messages are stacking up there. it's normal to see some of those, but it shouldn't be a constant flow.
[12:32] <TJ-> chalcedony: nothing obvious there, but those only show the current boot session. Can you show us "pastebinit <( journalctl --since="2021-01-08" --priority=warning )"
[12:33] <Ublx> that are great hints. already checking them, tomreyn. i am sorry if i didn't tell you the focus and direction my question was aming.
[12:33] <chalcedony> TJ-, not since it won't boot
[12:36] <TJ-> tomreyn: for gnome issues, would "journalctl --user -b" or "journalctl user@$(id -u).service"  help more for checking the user session
[12:36] <TJ-> chalcedony: hmmph
[12:37] <tomreyn> TJ-: i don't know :/
[12:37] <TJ-> chalcedony: have you tried using the Recovery option in the GRUB Advanced options sub-menu ?
[12:37] <TJ-> tomreyn: I've found that very helpful recently for a range of user session issues
[12:38] <tomreyn> TJ-: thanks for pointing those out, i'll see what they do.
[12:38] <chalcedony> TJ-, how do i get there?
[12:39] <TJ-> chalcedony: as soon as the system begins booting, when the motherboard/firmware is just loading GRUB boot-loader, tap Esc key to get the GRUB boot menu
[12:39] <tomreyn> lbarksdale: on a side note, in case it helps with the debugging: you can also *install* ubuntu to a removable device, such as an usb stick, and boot it off it. that way you can have different customized but properly installed ubuntu versions to test with.
[12:39]  * TJ- hates that Ubuntu my default hides the menu and makes recovery so much more mysterious to operators
[12:40] <Ublx> tomreyn: one last question: how would you display the gnome extension? can i display the ones that are not the basic ones of ubuntu?
[12:40] <Rss7> hello! can anyone please help me with a wifi driver issue?
[12:41] <Rss7> I have ubuntu 20.04 LTS
[12:41] <mefistofeles> Rss7: sure, just ask
[12:41] <Rss7> bcm43412 adapter
[12:41] <Rss7> it was working until yesterday
[12:41] <Rss7> for some reason it says its not found
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> Rss7: wich kernel are you on please
[12:42] <TJ-> Rss7: does the system have another usuable network interface ?
[12:42] <Rss7> yeah im using the la cable right now
[12:42] <Rss7> lan
[12:43] <tomreyn> Ublx: your approach of looking what's in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/ is pretty much right. there could be others in /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/
[12:43] <Rss7> not sure the kernel, how do I find out? (sorry for being noob)
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> Rss7: uname -a
[12:43] <TJ-> Rss7: great, so we can grab some logs :) show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk; journalctl -k)"
[12:44] <Rss7> didnt have pastebinit
[12:44] <Rss7> tried installing it
[12:44] <Ublx> tomreyn: thank you!
[12:44] <Rss7> now it said
[12:44]  * Ublx restarting and thankful.
[12:45] <Rss7> Loading new bcmwl-<IP_ADDRESS>1+bdcom DKMS files...Building for 5.8.0-36-genericBuilding for architecture x86_64Building initial module for 5.8.0-36-genericERROR: Cannot create report: [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/crash/bcmwl-kernel-source.0.crash'Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 5.8.0-36-generic (x86_64)Consult
[12:45] <Rss7> /var/lib/dkms/bcmwl/<IP_ADDRESS>1+bdcom/build/make.log for more information.dpkg: error processing package bcmwl-kernel-source (--configure): installed bcmwl-kernel-source package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 10Processing triggers for man-db (2.9.1-1) ...Errors were encountered while processing: bcmwl-kernel-source
[12:45] <Deano59> Rss7: ubuntu paste next time, please.
[12:45] <Rss7> sorry again for noobness, not sure whats ubuntu paste
[12:45] <Deano59> read the /topic
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> Rss7: there are known bugs about broadcom and kernel 5.8 see bug #1910555
[12:46] <TJ-> Rss7: so the DKMS (Dynamic Kernel Module Support) failed to build the out-of-tree kernel module for that hardware
[12:47] <jeremy31> Rss7: see https://askubuntu.com/a/1305819/300665
[12:48] <tomreyn> TJ-: "journalctl user@$(id -u).service" returns "Failed to add match<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Invalid argument" for me, but "systemctl --user status" lists several services which are part of the user session (and reports "CGroup: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service").
[12:48] <TJ-> Rss7: looks like a simple fix if your issue is the same as the bug report
[12:48] <Rss7> let me try one of these solutions you guys linked one sec
[12:49] <Rss7> thanks a lot for the help guys! will write back in a sec
[12:49] <tomreyn> bug 1910555
[12:49] <tomreyn> (thanks lotuspsychje)
[12:49] <TJ-> tomreyn: did I mistpye? " journalctl -u user@$(id -u).service"
[12:49] <TJ-> Rss7: hang on! those are quite invasive
[12:50] <TJ-> Rss7: there may be a very much simpler permanent fix; I just need to prove it!
[12:50] <Rss7> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1305699/bcmwl-kernel-source-broken-on-kernel-5-8-0-34-generic/1305819#1305819
[12:50] <Rss7> im trying option 1 from this
[12:51] <TJ-> Rss7: in summary, calls to ioremap_nocache() were removed from the kernel but that simply maps onto calls to ioremap() so we should just be able to do a simple replace for all calls to ioremap_nocache
[12:51] <Rss7> yayy seems it worked !
[12:52] <Rss7> @TJ- thanks for lookign into it deeply
[12:52] <Rss7> thanks a lot you all!
[12:52] <Rss7> Im sure a bunch of noobs come all the time with these questions, its really appreciated!
[12:52] <jeremy31> Rss7: better solution is to boot into the 5.4 kernels and remove 5.8 kernel and the hwe packages, then install linux-generic
[12:52] <TJ-> Rss7: just testing the build fix now
[12:53] <tomreyn> TJ-: oh haha, yes you forgot "-u", and shame on me for not noticing
[12:54] <Rss7> TJ-: Thanks brother, I first purged the other kernel and then installed that one I linked and it worked, but if you think I should still change something about it, feel free to suggest
[12:54] <TJ-> Rss7: OK, I've confirmed ioremap_nocache() is the issue here on 20.04: "error: implicit declaration of function ‘ioremap_nocache’" so now to try the fix
[12:58] <chalcedony> TJ-, we thought it might be a stuck key on the keyboard, and we've gone through a couple of keyboard changes, to no avail. It doesn't get to a gnome screen before it freezes.
[12:58] <TJ-> Rss7: right, not as simple as I'd hoped. there are a bunch more symbols that source-code relies on that have been removed from the kernel
[12:59] <TJ-> chalcedony: right; you need to get into the bootloader before Linux loads so you can modify the kernel command-line to get more info/disable some bits
[13:02] <chalcedony> TJ-, it gets to the bios screen but not much after that
[13:03] <Rss7> TJ- brother dont worry about it
[13:03] <Rss7> you helped a lot already
[13:03] <Rss7> and now its working
[13:03] <Rss7> thanks again
[13:03] <chalcedony> :)
[13:03] <Rss7> gonna have lunch and enjoy this snowy weather to make some snowman with the kid
[13:03] <Rss7> be well y'all
[13:04] <linux7012> Hello Everyone
[13:04] <chalcedony> hi linux7012
[13:04] <linux7012> Could anybody please tell me how I can mount an old harddisk? I am not sure whether it is encrypted or not. sudo fdisk lists all the partitions
[13:05] <linux7012> I connected it via IDE2USB
[13:05] <linux7012> And it was in my drawer for years if not decades.
[13:05] <kontra2> Hello, iam ubuntu mate user, I deliberately deleted the other partition with ubuntu studio on it
[13:06] <TJ-> linux7012: "sudo blkid /dev/sdX*" will give you some initial info on partition contents
[13:06] <kontra2> now, my grub2 is missing
[13:06] <linux7012> TJ- https://pastebin.com/dkczDwQ0
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> kontra2: tomreyn already pointed you to the grub wiki
[13:07] <TJ-> linux7012: that's in a VMware linux guest?
[13:07] <linux7012> yeah
[13:08] <linux7012> Is that cryptsetup?
[13:08] <TJ-> linux7012: OK, well, use "sudo blkid /dev/xvdk*" to get an idea of the meta-data signatures in those partitions
[13:09] <linux7012> TJ- https://pastebin.com/bd2fNVpr
[13:10] <TJ-> linux7012: no signatures being reported at all
[13:10] <linux7012> TJ- What does it mean? Disk is not usable?
[13:11] <linux7012> TJ- It could be that it is an old Ubuntu disk with full encryption.
[13:11] <TJ-> linux7012: not sure without digging harder, but you'd expect to see information about what is inside each partition, e.g: "/dev/nvme0n1p2: UUID="db9cd343-9ca9-4115-845f-d27943c14437" TYPE="crypto_LUKS" PARTLABEL="Linux dm-crypt" PARTUUID="15f7095d-5bbb-4a43-8324-9867b91dc7d6"
[13:12] <linux7012> TJ- So nothing can be done?
[13:12] <TJ-> linux7012: those PARTUUID's being short tell us it's an MSDOS disl label (MBR) with possibly 2 primary partitions and 3 extended
[13:13] <linux7012> But shouldn?t that be mounted automatically? Doesn't Ubutnu recognize that?
[13:13] <TJ-> linux7012: try "sudo file -s /dev/xvdk?"
[13:13] <TJ-> linux7012: there's nothing to mount according to your reports
[13:14] <TJ-> linux7012: 'mount' is an operation on a file-system. There is no sign of a file-system so far
[13:15] <linux7012> TJ- https://pastebin.com/YKdn7JYx
[13:20] <TJ-> linux7012: looks like xvdk1 is 19GB, xvdk2 (extended partition) is also 19G -- makes me think VMware is presenting it to the guest in some strange way
[13:21] <linux7012> So the disk is not encrypted you think (dmcrpt)?
[13:21] <TJ-> linux7012: no way to tell if it's plain dm_crypt - there is no LUKS headers according to the tools though so it could be LUKS with a detached header or plain dm_crypt
[13:22] <linux7012> Any way I can try it out?
[13:23] <TJ-> linux7012: if you know the passphrase then you can try unlocking using for example 'cryptsetup open --type=plain /dev/xvdk1 vdk1" and then try "file -s /dev/mapper/vdk1" (same for each other other devices/partitions )
[13:24] <linux7012> Thx. I will try. I might know the passphrase.
[13:24] <TJ-> linux7012: do NOT write to the /dev/mapper/ nodes though especially if you have the wrong passphrase
[13:25] <TJ-> linux7012: if its wrong it'll be random data with no obvious file-system metadata reported by 'file'
[13:25] <linux7012> Now it is asking for a passphrase. Is that an indication that indeed it is encrypted? Or would it ask in any case?
[13:26] <linux7012> OMG
[13:26] <linux7012> It said disk 1 now available.
[13:26] <linux7012> How can I access it, though?
[13:27] <TJ-> it'll always want the passphrase... this is why you have to check the CONTENT of the device-mapper node to see if it is ramdom gibberish or a real file-system
[13:27] <TJ-> linux7012: it always creates the device, it has no idea if the passphrase was correct or not
[13:27] <linux7012> TJ- It looks like it accepted it. See my message above. What now?
[13:30] <linux7012> TJ- https://pastebin.com/eSeWQvVW
[13:32] <TJ-> linux7012: passphrase is always accepted for type=plain since dm_crypt are RAW encrypted data with no meta-data at all. The only way to know if it was successful is to look at the data and see if it is what you expect.
[13:32] <TJ-> linux7012: ahh, ../dm-6 ... so you need to really do "sudo file -s $(readlink -e /dev/mapper/$DEVICE_NAME ) " to check the content of the container
[13:34] <linux7012> TJ- https://pastebin.com/MX8TnRDs
[13:34] <TJ-> linux7012: so, presumably incorrect passphrase. You can close that with "cryptsetup close vdk1"
[13:35] <TJ-> linux7012: and then try again of you have other ideas for the passphrase
[13:35] <TJ-> linux7012: this is why LUKS is a better solution! at least you know when the passphrase is incorrect at unlock time
[13:36] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[13:36] <linux7012> TJ- Thx. Maybe I used LUKS. I am not sure.
[13:37] <TJ-> linux7012: if you did, you used a detached header
[13:37] <TJ-> linux7012: and if so you'd know where you stored that detached header
[13:37] <linux7012> TJ- OK, then I probably did not use LUKS.
[13:38] <linux7012> TJ- Let's says I have the correct passphrase then how do I mount vdk1?
[13:40] <TJ-> linux7012: once you confirm the /dev/mapper/XXXX device has recognisable content (let's say an ext4 file-system reported by 'file' as e.g. "...: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data ..." then you can create a mountpoint directory and mount it; e.g: "mkdir -p /mnt/p1; mount /dev/mapper/XXXX /mnt/p1"
[13:41] <linux7012> TJ- Thx
[14:45] <linux7012> TJ- Thank you for your help.
[15:21] <Hans-Martin> hiya folks, I've got a strange problem with xfwm4 on ubuntu 20.04.1 since a few days - it often terminates directly after login, but after killing the session and logging in again it works. just checking whether this happens to others or just to me...
[15:21] <Hans-Martin> sadly, there does not seem to be any log indicating what happens
[15:23] <TJ-> Hans-Martin: we use xubuntu 20.04 across the business and haven't seen that
[15:24] <TJ-> Hans-Martin: try checking the session log for clues "journalctl -u  user@$(id -u).service" and/or "journalctl --user -b 0"
[15:24] <Hans-Martin> ok that's what I assumed, it's something in my setup. need to find or enable logging
[15:25] <Hans-Martin> tyvm, now scrolling through logs since November :-)
[15:26] <TJ-> Hans-Martin: press 'G' (not 'g') to jump to end and work backwards
[15:32] <cbreak> doesn't journalctl support something like "today" or "since=xxx"?
[15:32] <cbreak> "--since=yesterday --until=now" seems to exist
[15:32] <cbreak> https://linuxhandbook.com/journalctl-command/
[15:33] <Hans-Martin> the last command was spot on. Found "Another Window Manager (unknown) is already running on screen :1.0" in the log, and from that I could google
[15:49] <Hans-Martin> ty again, will add journalctl to my reading list :-) seems clearing .cache/sessions did the trick.
[15:57] <kontra2> during grub-install I got the msg; error: cannot find EFI directory
[15:57] <kontra2> pls help sombody
[15:57] <TJ-> kontra2: you forgot to mount the EFI system partition to /boot/efi/
[15:58] <kontra2> I mounted /dev/sda1
[16:00] <kontra2> pls help I am newbie
[16:02] <kontra2> command to mount EFI pls
[16:06] <TJ-> kontra2: you need to spell out what you're currently doing, and how. E.g. "I've booted from a liveISO on USB and am trying to fix a failure to boot using a chroot"
[16:07] <kontra2> I am trying to fix grub bootloader
[16:07] <kontra2> I did blkid
[16:08] <kontra2> then sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[16:09] <kontra2> then sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sda
[16:10] <pavlos> kontra2: paste the output of sudo blkid
[16:13] <pavlos> kontra2: or sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[16:18] <Inspiral> I had an entry in /etc/deny.hosts - ALL: PARANOID - it was preventing me accessing the installation via ssh/ftp and I didn't add it, is there anything that may be known to add it in? It seems awfully suspect
[16:18] <kontra2> I posted blkid result in pastebin.com/zQi1j46Y pavlos
[16:22] <cbreak> mounting anything into /mnt seems weird
[16:23] <kontra2> I was following steps in website FOSSLINUX
[16:24] <cbreak> efi partitions should NOT be anything other than fat32
[16:24] <pavlos> kontra2: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/boot/efi
[16:24] <cbreak> if yours is ext, then something's screwed up
[16:24] <pavlos> kontra2: sda2 is vfat, that's your efi
[16:25] <kontra2> ok
[16:25] <cbreak> yeah. I seriously doubt it's sda1
[16:25] <cbreak> did you even boot in efi mode?
[16:25] <cbreak> when installing your linux?
[16:25] <cbreak> I'd expect everything to happen automatically then, and it did for me.
[16:27] <pavlos> kontra2: is sda1 your linux partition?
[16:28] <kontra2> I get mount point does not exist
[16:29] <pavlos> kontra2: output of sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[16:29] <cbreak> if a mountpoint doesn't exist, create it
[16:30] <kontra2> I deleted one partition previously which contain ubuntu studio in dual boot system
[16:32] <kontra2> now I trying to restore grub back
[16:35] <pavlos> kontra2: is this the guide you're following? https://www.fosslinux.com/4477/how-to-repair-the-grub-bootloader-using-a-ubuntu-live-usb-drive.htm
[16:36] <kontra2> yes
[16:36] <pavlos> kontra2: output of sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[16:37] <kontra2> yes at pastebin.com/2cKVOitc
[16:38] <pavlos> not found
[16:39] <kontra2> pls replaceO with 0
[16:40] <kontra2> https://pastebin.com/2cKV0itc
[16:40] <nunya_>  Is there a way to add an animation to show a program is opening? Most of the programs I use in Ubuntu with cinnamon show this application opening animation but a few do not.
[16:40] <pavlos> kontra2: what the diff between sda1 and sda5, there are both linux partitions. Trying to recover sda1 or sda5 ?
[16:41] <kontra2> both
[16:41] <nunya_> Some programs take a long time to open. I would like to know it is in the process of opening.
[16:42] <pavlos> kontra2: for sda1 follow this, https://termbin.com/9oo79
[16:44] <kontra2> all that is command right
[16:49] <pavlos> kontra2: reboot, it should find the linux install in sda1. Then boot again with live usb, follow the same guide changing the first line to point to sda5. it should recover the second linux install.
[17:01] <kontra2> thx pavlos
[17:01] <pavlos> kontra2: no worries
[17:53] <magic_ninja> I'm getting audio pops every time I start a video or such, even if there is no sound. I suspect that my audio device is being turned off after no audio stream has been present for a while. Is there any way to check this?
[18:41] <black_13> how do i mount my home directory using schroot or in a chroot
[18:42] <black_13> or better question can run debian in ubuntu via a chroot
[18:44] <EriC^> black_13: mount rootfs in /mountpoint, then run "for i in /dev /proc /sys; do sudo mount -R $i /mountpoint$i; done' then sudo chroot /mountpoint and run mount -a    to mount all its relevant fs
[18:48] <black_13> thanks
[18:53] <EriC^> no problem
[19:30] <black_13> https://bpa.st/4XVA
[19:31] <black_13> when i chroot and try to apt update in the chroot
[19:35] <black_13> EriC^ have  you used schroot
[19:35] <oerheks> why chroot from debian in an ubuntu install?
[19:36] <oerheks> and there is a good howto... for ubuntu users https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure
[19:37] <black_13> i would prefer to do ubuntu in ubuntu
[19:42] <black_13> is there such a thing as a debug build of ubuntu or a build of all the usr/lib built debug
[19:43] <TJ-> black_13: no; each package has debug symbols on the ddeb.ubuntu.com archive, and packages named <pakage>-dbgsym
[19:47] <tomreyn> * ddebS.ubuntu.com
[19:48]  * TJ- sends the 's' to join the missing '-u' :D
[20:56] <StupidDanbo> Anyone know how I can trouble-shoot this wireless USB barcode scanner I bought? I tried to search, and got the impression that modern barcode scanners should just perform like a keyboard, but just plugging in the dongle, focusing on a text editor or spreadsheet app, while scanning something doesn't seem to be working.
[20:57] <StupidDanbo> There's no specific mention of Linux on the product description, but non-wireless versions from the same company have mentioned Linux compatibilty. "Compatible Operating Systems: Windows XP / Vista / 7 / 8 / 8.1 / 10 / Wince / Mobile / Android devices"
[21:00] <StupidDanbo> hm. the manual that came with it DOES mention Linux compatibility.
[21:01] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/install/barcode-reader/ubuntu
[21:01] <jeremy31> StupidDanbo: did you do a search on the USB ID from terminal> lsusb
[21:01] <zutat> StupidDanbo: be careful. that might mean "compatible with suse 10.3 sp 1"
[21:03] <StupidDanbo> huh.... lsusb.... don't recognize anything on this list that it would be.
[21:04] <StupidDanbo> ah ok. unplugging the dongle, I guess it's this "Racal Data Group".
[21:12] <StupidDanbo> hm. maybe my bluetooth isn't working and that's why. I'll look into that before I ask more questions.
[21:20] <StupidDanbo> well this sucks. the fix to get bluetooth working isn't working.
[21:20] <StupidDanbo> I tried sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth start
[21:21] <StupidDanbo> Starting bluetooth (via systemctl): bluetooth.service.
[21:21] <jeremy31> StupidDanbo: what bluetooth device?
[21:21] <StupidDanbo> but I still get the same error: "bluez daemon is not running, blueman-manager cannot continue. this probably means that there were no bluetooth adapters detected or bluetooth daemon was not started"
[21:23] <jeremy31> StupidDanbo: why would bluetooth have anything to do with a USB barcode scanner?
[21:25] <tomreyn> doesn't USB stand for unwired simple bluetooth then?
[21:26] <TJ-> presumably the USB dongle is a proprietary wireless interface, like with Logitech keyboards etc
[21:26] <_Sym_> StupidDanbo, what kernel version
[21:27] <TJ-> StupidDanbo: unplug the dongle, start "journalctl -k -f " and the insert the device and see what is reported
[21:28] <StupidDanbo> because the USB wireless dongle uses bluetooth?
[21:30] <StupidDanbo> oh there were other comments.
[21:31] <jeremy31> StupidDanbo: so a wireless scanner?
[21:31] <_Sym_> bt is broken on latest lts kernel on korg, btw
[21:32] <StupidDanbo> yeah it's a wireless scanner.
[21:32] <jeremy31> _Sym_: Isn't it just Atheros BT?
[21:33] <StupidDanbo> TJ I did that.  I don't know what's relevent though.
[21:33] <TJ-> StupidDanbo: can you copy them to a pastebin?
[21:33] <StupidDanbo> oh! it mentioned keyboard!
[21:33] <TJ-> !paste | StupidDanbo
[21:34] <_Sym_> jeremy31, it broke my intel bt. this is the fix: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?h=v5.11-rc2&id=5c3b5796866f85354a5ce76a28f8ffba0dcefc7e
[21:34] <StupidDanbo> TJ- https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sVryVmKRt6/
[21:35] <TJ-> StupidDanbo: so you're correct; it presents as a USB HID keyboard... so if the scanner scans AND the dongle receives the data it should appear as if typed
[21:36] <TJ-> StupidDanbo: so give a text-editor input focus or try in a terminal shell whilst scanning a barcode
[21:36] <TJ-> StupidDanbo: and ensure the scanner's battery is charged/good
[21:36] <StupidDanbo> hm. well it's not. That's what I tried from the start
[21:36] <TJ-> StupidDanbo: are there any indicator LEDs on the scanner or USB receiver? maybe they have to be 'paired'
[21:36] <jennie> i installed ubuntu successfully by usb boot stick on this acer laptop on a kingston SSD. Now, I changed ssd to a brand new Sandisk SSD and tried to install ubuntu but during the installation i got an error "executing grub/dev/sdb install failed \n This is a fatal error "
[21:37] <jennie> I put back Kingston ssd back and laptop works fine again but why sandisk is not working
[21:37] <TJ-> StupidDanbo: what does "lsusb" report the dongle as?
[21:37] <StupidDanbo> TJ- no there's no light on the dongle. The scanner does make noise when I plug in the dongle though.
[21:38] <Spiney> jennie: That's probably because of the harddrive isn't 'good'.  Do you know if the hard drive is good?
[21:38] <tomreyn> 0581:0106 isn't in the device DB
[21:38] <jennie> Spiney it was working perfectly in a win10 system earlier for couple days
[21:38] <StupidDanbo> pretty sure lsusb is showing it as: Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0581:0106 Racal Data Group
[21:38] <tomreyn> 0581 is Racal Data Group, 'tera scanner' product family
[21:39] <jeremy31> No kernel module found with modprobe -c
[21:39] <Spiney> jennie: Well, the grub is loaded at the first of the hard drive typically.  Maybe put it in the Kingston, and run an fsck on the drive.
[21:39] <jennie> Spiney cant connect both drive at once in this laptop
[21:40] <jennie> i am only doing installation when only one ssd is in the laptop
[21:40] <Spiney> jennie: they make USB adapters for SATA drives.
[21:40] <tomreyn> StupidDanbo: this one? https://www.amazon.com/Tera-Wireless-Versatile-Rechargeable-Automatic/dp/B078SQ91FB
[21:41] <StupidDanbo> experiment: I pluged in the USB cable. It does print out numbers when I scan it.
[21:41] <jennie> Spiney this one is giving error https://i.imgur.com/ixI8qhB.png
[21:41] <StupidDanbo> tomreyn, it looks similar but it;s not that brand. it's Symcode.
[21:42] <StupidDanbo> https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B08CK8PGMF
[21:42] <jennie> Spiney this kingston works great https://i.imgur.com/Q8OXZyK.png
[21:42] <Spiney> jennie: ok, download and boot up gparted, and you can run the fsck on the new drive
[21:43] <jennie> burn gparted iso you mean?
[21:43] <Spiney> yes
[21:43] <jennie> okay
[21:43] <Spiney> then put the new drive in, boot it up,
[21:43] <Spiney> that way you can check the validity of the drive.
[21:43] <tomreyn> StupidDanbo: well it's rebranded then. but it does seem to work based on what you said. by default, a barcode scanner only outputs chunks of numbers, which is the decoded barcode.
[21:43] <jennie> does not ubuntu bootable have gpart already Spiney?
[21:44] <Spiney> I think it does, but I know gparted has tools to help you repair and such
[21:44] <Spiney> jennie: I don't know the process of doing it through the install process.  Sorry  :\
[21:44] <jayjo-> does the ubuntu installer subiquity do a scan of disks and motherboard when deciding on install partitions? I'm trying to determine how to similar installs choose to have a different installation structure. E.g. one mounts /boot/efi and the other only /boot. I think they can both boot from EFI, but did subiquitiy only detect that on one?
[21:45] <StupidDanbo> the fact that I can't load my bluetooth manager, could that be related to why this doesn't work in wireless mode? I have a wireless mouse that works, but I don't know what it uses. It has a dongle too.
[21:45] <jeremy31> StupidDanbo: It might use a dongle that is hard coded to the scanner
[21:46] <jeremy31> StupidDanbo: It never reveals itself to the OS as a Bluetooth device
[21:46] <StupidDanbo> ah ok. hmm... but it still doesn't work in wireless mode, but does when plugged in via USB cable.
[21:46] <tomreyn> Racal Data Group does have MAC address registrations, though
[21:49] <StupidDanbo> I dunno what to do with MAC addresses.
[21:50] <TJ-> StupidDanbo: are you sure the scanner isn't in Storage mode?
[21:50] <StupidDanbo> I dunno. Why would it be in that mode for wireless but not wired?
[21:51] <tomreyn> MAC vendor 00:07:01 is RACAL-DATACOM - if you have or see a wireless device starting with this address then it's probably the one.
[21:51] <StupidDanbo> HOH! Thank you, TJ-! I think that was the answer! I found a "normal mode" barcode in the manual, and scanning it made it work wirelessly!
[21:52] <StupidDanbo><PHONE_NUMBER>16
[21:52] <StupidDanbo> sorry. just spammed a barcode.
[21:55] <TJ-> StupidDanbo: yes, you need to scan the "Continuous mode" barcode to have 'instant'
[21:55]  * tomreyn thinks TJ deserves a world of warcraft action figure
[21:55] <thither> I'm on 20.04 with an Intel 7260 WiFi/BT card. When I try to pair any BT device the settings window locks up
[21:56] <TJ-> StupidDanbo: the idea is the scanner will store codes until you're near the receiver, so you can walk a warehouse and scan without the PC close, then 'download' all the codes in a dump
[21:57] <thither> This is on a Thinkpad T430 if that's important
[21:58] <TJ-> thither: does it work using "bluetoothctl" ?
[22:00] <StupidDanbo> interesting. I'll have to play around with that later. Might be more useful than making sure my transmitter is within range.
[22:01] <jwash> Hi everyone, I have a data directory that is 350gb. What is the highest/best compression that I can use to create an archive backup? Is it gzip -9 ?
[22:03] <thither> TJ-: how can I get it to stop spamming me with "[CHG] Device XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX RSSI: -db"?
[22:03] <jeremy31> thither: ctrl + d
[22:03] <TJ-> thither: you don't; it's reporting useful events [CHG] means change
[22:03] <thither> It's like 5 per second
[22:03] <thither> It's difficult to use
[22:03] <TJ-> thither: ahhh
[22:06] <thither> It says authentication failed
[22:10] <thither> It's just hanging on in progress with another device
[22:11] <TJ-> thither: hmmm. has this paired with devices previously, and now gone bad?
[22:11] <thither> After hanging it says authentication canceled
[22:11] <thither> TJ-: it worked fine with Debian 10
[22:11] <thither> Hasn't worked since I change to Ubuntu
[22:12] <TJ-> thither: missing firmware possibly? have you checked the kernel log? show us "pastebinit <( journalctl -k )"
[22:13] <thither> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cHGZTvsNMw/
[22:15] <TJ-> thither: that suggests it could be caused by the recent suspend/resume
[22:15] <thither> This has been a problem across multiple reboots
[22:16] <TJ-> thither: it happens immediately after a cold start?
[22:17] <TJ-> thither: it's suffering a lot of "kernel: Bluetooth: hci0: command 0x200c tx timeout" which it wasn't before recent suspends
[22:18] <TJ-> thither: it could be an ACPI issue, which often occur after suspend/resume
[22:18] <thither> Those seem to get logged when I am attempting to pair
[22:18] <thither> Which was after a resume
[22:18] <thither> I had not attempted since the last reboot
[22:18] <thither> But I have many times before this reboot
[22:22] <thither> Would it be a bad ideal to update my kernel?
[22:23] <TJ-> thither: I'd first test it after a cold start just to be sure.
[22:24] <TJ-> thither: it could be a power-management issue, and that again points towards a possible ACPI issue
[22:25] <TJ-> thither: I'm reading several kernel issues that suggest power-management of the hardware is the cause of this kind of timeout
[22:25] <jeremy31> thither: if you install updates you might reboot with a 5.8 kernel if using 20.04
[22:27] <TJ-> thither: if it does look like ACPI this may help:  https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[22:27] <TJ-> With that I have to leave
[22:57] <octav1a> Can anyone recommend an open source tool for graphic design, specifically creation of styled / themed text?
[23:02] <oerheks> libreoffice?
[23:03] <oerheks> or sublime text ( proprietary blob)  https://snapcraft.io/search?q=text
[23:03] <mefistofeles> I think those are different, maybe something like inkscape? octav1a
[23:03] <mefistofeles> it's a vector graphics designing software, fwiw
[23:05] <octav1a> Does inkscape have a good text tool? I was looking for something to make something similar to those old "word art" things for posters that will be printed.
[23:06] <octav1a> I know Inkscape can do low level vectors well, but I'm not sure of how much styling is available.
[23:06] <mefistofeles> octav1a: it is ok, but it would just use the system fonts... you could of course design your own font, but that may be more than what you are looking for
[23:07] <octav1a> Yeah, I don't think that font styling is really covered just by using a different font
[23:10] <TheNik> Hi! I run Ubuntu Server 20.04 with the system on a logical volume on one HDD, and another three HDDs configured as a RAID. On shutdown systemd seems to delay the process by 1:30 min on a "stop job for Availability of block devices", which times out after 90s and only after that shutdown proceeds. Is that a wanted thing, a feature I could perhaps disable, or some sort of misconfiguration I could troubleshoot? I took a picture of the console
[23:10] <TheNik> output: https://i.imgur.com/NGc8rSO.jpg
[23:19] <EriC^> TheNik: try the suggestion in #6 comment in case it helps? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/1780196
[23:23] <gebbione> hi, i tried to upgrade to 20.04 from 18.04 and got https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rd2Zt98Yyg/ . From apt.log i cannot see package and references to PPA specific software (if i grep for broken i see lots of references but does not look ppa related) any suggestions
[23:24] <tomreyn> gebbione: looks for a line starting 'Foreign' in the release upgrader apt log in /var/log
[23:25] <tomreyn> alternatively, or additionally, install and run apt-forktracer and share its output
[23:28] <gebbione> ok all these then https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4r3XdkH6R4/
[23:29] <gebbione> lots of them then
[23:29] <gebbione> can PPAs be disabled instead of being purged?
[23:30] <tomreyn> ppas can be disabled. ppas can be deconfigured. packages can be removed or purged.
[23:31] <tomreyn> you can disable ppa's, which is what the release upgrader does by default. however, this doesn't solve dependency problems introduced by packages you have installed form those ppas.
[23:32] <gebbione> would the ppa purge remove all of them then ?
[23:32] <gebbione> sounds drastic
[23:32] <gebbione> also a bit worried about the nvidia packages
[23:33] <tomreyn> ppa-purge pugres packages / downgrades package versions installed from a given ppa
[23:34] <tomreyn> PPAs are unsupposrted. as a result, release upgrades with PPAs configured + packages installed are also unsupported
[23:34] <TheNik> EriC^: Thanks for the hint. Simply installing dracut-core did not help, unfortunately, but I'll see if I can use the info on that page to troubleshoot further
[23:35] <EriC^> TheNik: ok, no problem
[23:35] <tomreyn> do-release-upgrade has an option to ignore this fact and try to carry out the release upgrade without disabling PPAs. that's, obviously, unsupproted.


[20:01] <ScottL> crimsun, when you get a chance can we talk about the patch you uploaded for ardour to lucid-proposed?
[20:02] <ScottL> crimsun, the build for lucid-proposed failed to build: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ardour/1:2.8.6-1ubuntu0.1/+build/1891377/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.ardour_1:2.8.6-1ubuntu0.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:02] <ScottL> however, i was able to build it with the patch attached to the bug report both in pbuilder and my ppa: https://launchpad.net/~slavender/+archive/build/+build/1896634
[20:02] <ScottL> even if we don't get this for 10.04.01 i would like to resolve it for 10.04.02 if possible
[20:31] <crimsun> ScottL: it built in a local pbuilder here, too, but I'll try an sbuild
[20:31] <crimsun> ScottL: 10.04.1 seems unlikely
[22:01]  * crimsun grumbles at his slow rotary disk
[22:23] <crimsun> finally got the sbuild running
[22:35] <stochastic> Hey All
[22:35] <crimsun> 'lo
[23:23] <ScottL> hi stochastic , how are you doing?
[23:31] <stochastic> ScottL, fairly good these days, yourself?
[23:33] <ScottL> stochastic, pretty good, been really busy, but also talking a bit to troy
[23:33] <ScottL> stochastic, he's also got me playing with blender, as soon as i finish this next song i'm going to make a video for it using blender
[23:34] <ScottL> stochastic, i'll be using the node editor and compositing multiple of me's into the video
[23:34] <stochastic> ScottL, isn't that a little egotistical?
[23:34] <stochastic> ;)
[23:35] <stochastic> ScottL, that was a joke by the way (sarcasm doesn't translte in text)
[23:35] <ScottL> stochastic, well yeah, i suppose it is :P  but it's more of a down and dirty showcase to show what blender can do
[23:36] <ScottL> stochastic, naw, i realized it was sarcasm LOL
[23:37] <stochastic> I've been doing much more offline work - including tearing apart a piano to make a stand for my electric piano, building some diffuser panels, and other fun projects
[23:37] <holstein> stochastic: you got some pics of your diffuser panels?
[23:38]  * holstein is about to do some of that
[23:38] <stochastic> But now I've got some DJ gigs knocking at my door so I need to get my Xwax system cleaned up and organized
[23:38] <stochastic> holstein, they're still in the construction process but I will share when I'm done.  If you want some construction advice I could share.
[23:39] <holstein> im still a ways off
[23:39] <holstein> i'll ask before i buy anything though
[23:39]  * stochastic came across a bunch of cedar 2x2 sections so I thought it would be the perfect project
[23:39] <holstein> nice
[23:40] <holstein> i was thinking about something 2x2 size
[23:40] <holstein> i got access to a bunch of plywood
[23:40] <holstein> but im hoping something better comes along for not much $$
[23:40] <ScottL> stochastic, dholbach was asking about xwax and if anyone was having trouble with it losing sync or something
[23:42] <stochastic> ScottL, hmm, I didn't have any troubles before.  I know dholbach was just getting into xwax before I went awol.
[23:44] <stochastic> ScottL, holstein, I'd love to catch up more, but I need to get ready for work.  I'll try to keep xchat open more often and get back into the swing of things 'round here.
[23:44] <holstein> good to see you stochastic :)
[23:50] <ScottL> yeah, good to hear from you again stochastic :)
[23:52] <ScottL> holstein, thanks again for getting those amd64 ISO tests done...that right there should allow us to have the next alpha image to test :)
[23:54] <holstein> sweet :)
[23:54] <holstein> ScottL: i still dont have a good live disc yet
[23:55] <holstein> im using ubuntu customization kit
[23:55] <holstein> and when i add the live user to the audio group
[23:55] <holstein> the build fails for some reason
[23:55] <holstein> i'll have to learn the hard way... chroot or whatever
[23:56] <holstein> i got a guy here in town that does it that way, and he said he would show me


[06:21] <koolhead11|> hi all
[09:02] <kim0> Morning everyone
[15:12] <koolhead17> kim0, awake?
[15:23] <kim0> koolhead17: yeah sure
[17:59] <navanjr> im having trouble adding a repository to my instance... i suspect it has to do with my cloud config.  Im not sure what questions to ask specificly...
[18:00] <navanjr> but im getting the following error:
[18:00] <navanjr> gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect to host
[18:00] <navanjr> when i...  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jerome-etienne/neoip
[18:06] <hazmat> navanjr, perhaps a transient error? can you reach launchpad from the instance?
[18:06] <hazmat> navanjr, specifically ppa.launchpad.net
[18:57] <smoser> navanjr, i suspect transient error
[18:58] <smoser> i just tested this user data:
[18:58] <smoser>  #cloud-config
[18:58] <smoser> apt_sources:
[18:58] <smoser>  - source: "ppa:jerome-etienne/neoip"
[19:14] <navanjr> i can resolve to ppa.launchpad.net and ping it from my instance
[19:16] <navanjr> also I get a "sudo: unable to resolve host ip-172-19-1-3" message whenever I apt-get anything...
[19:57] <smoser> navanjr, you're running on ec2 ?
[19:57] <smoser> and the suggestion was that it was a transient error, ie, if you did it again it would work
[19:58] <smoser> but you can try 'sudo apt-add-repository ppa:jerome-etienne/neoip' and it should work.
[19:58] <navanjr> private cloud uec
[19:59] <smoser> so try running the apt-add. it "should work" if not, then doing the same thing via cloud-config is also going to fail
[20:00] <navanjr> yeah, apt-add is what i was doing...  i have not tested it with userdata yet ... i guess i assumed it would do the same thing
[20:29] <SpamapS> smoser: so I may have figured out the problem with udev..
[20:29] <SpamapS> smoser: I am writing a test case today
[20:30] <smoser> navanjr, i tested that here, and it worked. so there is something network related if its not working for you.
[20:30] <smoser> SpamapS, what is it?
[20:30] <SpamapS> smoser: I *think* there's actually a brief period where the pipe is not actually open between the fork and the write
[20:30] <smoser> between what fork?
[20:30] <SpamapS> smoser: and it may every well be that the latency of fork and such have gotten low enough to expose it.
[20:32] <SpamapS> smoser: if thats the case, we actually need to add a 2-way channel so the parent will wait for the child's write before continuing.
[20:32] <SpamapS> smoser: the parent forks, then writes a message to the child
[20:32] <SpamapS> smoser: there's an open, shared pipe between them, but the child may not have actually finished even forking/duplicating itself by that point
[20:33] <smoser> its a filedescriptor ?
[20:35] <smoser> well, i'm interested in learning more. but feel free to get to work and ignore me for th emoment.
[21:15] <navanjr> is this the right place to ask about the CLC and IPTABLES
[21:18] <navanjr> I am struggling to find documentation to help me understand how i need to configure my CLC.  My instances can reach the internet but they are having issues with apt-get


[18:07] <highvoltage> stgraber: any suggestions on how we should get rid of the akonaditray menu entry?
[18:08] <highvoltage> I think we used to have something in the livesystem postrm (or maybe artwork postinst) that used to add a hidden=true in the .desktop file
[18:08] <highvoltage> but it doesn't seem to do that anymore and I remember you mentioned that there's a good way to hide them
[18:14] <stgraber> I think we ship a few .desktop overlay in -live or -artwork
[18:14] <alkisg> dpkg-divert?
[18:14] <alkisg> Ah, only on the live system?
[18:15] <highvoltage> alkisg: on the installed system too, although we try to avoid dpkg-divert if at all possible
[18:15] <stgraber> also post install, we just dump a .desktop in a path that's higher priority than kde's
[18:15] <highvoltage> where does the priority come from?
[18:15] <alkisg> highvoltage: modifying another package's file is worse than dpkg-divert, and it doesn't persist on package updates
[18:15]  * highvoltage checks the package again
[18:16] <stgraber> alkisg: we don't modify it, we write an identically named file in an higher priority location and let xdg deal with the override
[18:16] <alkisg> Cool
[18:16] <highvoltage> alkisg: I know
[18:17] <alkisg> stgraber: any thoughts about when you'll have some time for the ltsp packaging? I tested with my local debian/ dir and it works fine, but I'd like to test with the Ubuntu packaging too...
[18:18] <stgraber> no, it's pretty low on my priority list, sorry
[18:18] <highvoltage> stgraber: I can't find that anywhere in the packaging though, perhaps it got lost with some cleanup (since the akonadi icons are back again)
[18:18] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/Desktop/edu$ find . | grep desktop
[18:18] <stgraber> ./edubuntu-artwork-12.04.1/applications/kde4-nepomukcontroller.desktop
[18:18] <stgraber> ./edubuntu-artwork-12.04.1/applications/kde4-nepomukbackup.desktop
[18:18] <stgraber> highvoltage: ^
[18:18] <highvoltage> (d'oh, just found them there)
[18:19] <highvoltage> ah nepomuk is there but not akonadi, I guess I'll add it
[18:20] <highvoltage> I just add a line that says "OnlyShowIn=KDE" and put it in that directory?
[18:20] <stgraber> yep
[18:21] <stgraber> if you have some spare time, you might try and poke the kde folks to include these by default
[18:21] <alkisg> stgraber: np, I just thought you'd like me to test the LTSP you'll ship with 12.10 (since I won't be able to test later on until 14.04 again)...
[18:21] <stgraber> so we don't have to override them :)
[18:21] <highvoltage> stgraber: yes I think that's a good idea
[18:21] <stgraber> alkisg: sure, but I'm focusing on 12.04.1 for the next 2 months, so my 12.10 time is pretty limited
[18:21] <alkisg> Do you think it'd take more than 10 minutes to approve the changes?
[18:22] <alkisg> ...and maybe do the ltsp-live changes you mentioned
[18:23] <stgraber> ltsp-live changes will take a day to babysit through the archive as it'll require source+bin newing + seed change + dvd rebuild, so yeah, closer to 1-2 days than 10min
[18:24] <alkisg> From the ltsp package side, you'll just remove them though, no?
[18:24] <alkisg> You don't need to have the ltsp-live package to review the ltsp debian/ dir... Or I got it wrong?
[18:26] <stgraber> I want to spend 1-2 days on LTSP and be done for the next 6 months ;) context-switching is very expensive. So maybe I don't need ltsp-live to review debian/, I don't know and I don't want to think about it now :)
[18:26] <highvoltage> hmm, nepomuk also still shows under the menus despite OnlyShowIn=KDE
[18:26] <alkisg> OK, thank you :)
[18:41] <highvoltage> heh, we have kturtle in the ubuntu-edu-tertiary package
[18:41] <highvoltage> (I guess it might be useful there in some cases)
[18:45] <highvoltage> stgraber: fyi (but no rush): https://code.launchpad.net/~jonathan/ubuntu-seeds/edubuntu.quantal/+merge/107679
[18:47] <stgraber> highvoltage: am I reading this right? we'd have kstarts+stellarium?
[18:48] <highvoltage> stgraber: at least for now, I guess there's a good chance that we'll drop stellarium due to the arm issues, and our intent to have the same packages installed accross architectures
[18:49] <highvoltage> perhaps I should have removed stellarium already... but it's not the last package changes for the cycle for sure
[18:54] <highvoltage> stgraber: regarding ltsp-live, should I wait until it's removed from ltsp before making changes, or should I do it while it's in ltsp, or should I be the one moving it?
[18:54] <stgraber> highvoltage: feel free to propose changes against ubuntu:ltsp for now, I'll merge them before the split
[18:56] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok, at least that way I get in some ltsp commits too :)
[19:11] <highvoltage> (oh, not really)
[19:14] <highvoltage> stgraber: actually I'm not sure what to do, ubuntu:ltsp? is that what I get with pull-lp-source?
[19:16] <stgraber> it should be
[19:16] <stgraber> highvoltage: bzr branch ubuntu:ltsp => do your change => bzr push lp:~jonathan/ubuntu/quantal/ltsp/your-change => bzr lp-propose-merge
[19:16] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok, got it
[19:28] <highvoltage> https://code.launchpad.net/~jonathan/ubuntu/quantal/ltsp/autologin/+merge/107682
[20:05] <stgraber> highvoltage: I think I understand the bug where unity 3d doesn't start on 3d capable hardware, it's because DESKTOP_SESSION isn't set by ldm
[20:05] <stgraber> so the gconf configuration overlay for unity never gets applied
[20:05] <stgraber> and the unity plugin is never loaded as a result
[20:07] <stgraber> the fix is quite hackish though and will be Ubuntu specific as DESKTOP_SESSION needs to be set to the name of the gnome-session that will be called, but you have no way to know that in a non-distro specific way as gnome-session's default is hardcoded in the binary...
[20:07] <highvoltage> stgraber: ah
[20:07] <stgraber> I wrote an Xsession script that I think does the right thing for Ubuntu and will have to be shipped on both client and server as it affects both thin and fat clients
[20:09] <highvoltage> I'm not sure why the script in the unity .desktop file can't set it, but I guess you could show me a bit later on then I'll understand what you mean
[20:09] <stgraber> because it needs to run before any gconf instance might be called. Doing it from the .desktop launcher would be racy
[20:10] <stgraber> I'm not even convinced it's not racy to do it where they're doing it at the moment ;)
[20:10] <highvoltage> ah ok