[00:00] <SpamapS> cowmix: hm
[00:00] <SpamapS> cowmix: its definitely *far* better than when that statement was written
[00:00] <SpamapS> cowmix: I think for certain use cases, its a good choice in production
[00:00] <SpamapS> cowmix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bugs?field.tag=production
[00:01] <SpamapS> cowmix: those are known issues that should be considered before putting it there. Perhaps we should update the docs to point at that list.
[00:11] <imbrandon> .win 15
[00:40] <cowmix> SpamapS: thanks... I'm *very* excited about juju.. I'm trying out the 12.04 beta as soon as its out
[00:47] <SpamapS> cowmix: beta1 is out. :)
[00:47] <SpamapS> cowmix: I'd recommend using juju from the ppa though.. we should land a new version in beta2, and the PPA is much closer to that.
[00:50] <cowmix> Awesome.. when 12.04 is fully baked.. use the release version then?
[00:51] <cowmix> It's interesting because I have some friends that do HUGE EC2 deployments on Ubuntu and they didn't know about juju.. I turned them on to it and they seemed jazzed.
[00:52] <cowmix> Canonical really needs to pump this up harder.. it solves an issue everyone is trying to solve on their own.
[00:55] <SpamapS> cowmix: a little over a year ago, juju didn't exist.. so.. give us some time. :)
[00:56] <SpamapS> cowmix: there's a charm contest going on right now.. you should get some of them to enter it. :)
[01:10] <cowmix> SpamapS: is Canonical dog-fooding it now in their own infrastructure?
[01:39] <sloth_> anyone got time for a really basic question
[01:46] <SpamapS> cowmix: here and there, yes.. nothing important, as we only run that on released LTS's, and lucid can't run juju
[01:47] <SpamapS> sloth_: just ask, and hang out for an answer, somebody will get back to you. Also we watch the juju tag on askubuntu.com a lot, so asking there might be a good idea
[01:49] <sloth_> cool.  so I'm totally new to juju (and not a Ubuntu guy normally).  I'd like to use it provision a mongo cluster on amazon.  I'm not sure if I have to create a ubuntu EC2 instance to use as the provisioning host (that wouldn't be part of the 3 machine replication set) or if I can do it from my mac or where to start
[01:49] <sloth_> I looked at the introduction to juju but I suspect I'm missing a few pieces of knowledge on how to get to where it starts
[02:02] <_mup_> juju/status-changes r484 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:02] <_mup_> collapse relation display in units unless error, all relation names are multi-valued
[02:04] <hazmat> i'm going to hit a devops meetup tomorrow, we're hitting a few conferences this year
[02:21] <_mup_> juju/status-changes r485 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:21] <_mup_> status uniques when the same service has multiple relations to the same endpoint
[02:42] <_mup_> Bug #959884 was filed: Improved status output <juju:In Progress by hazmat> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/959884 >
[03:03] <_mup_> juju/force-upgrade r465 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:03] <_mup_> finish upgrade-charm --force cli tests
[03:04] <_mup_> juju/force-upgrade r466 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:04] <_mup_> add to ignores
[03:07] <hazmat> are pkg task sets addressable, ie. can i install the cloud/server task set into a container, or is it more of a preseed thing
[03:08] <hazmat> ah.. tasksel
[03:11] <hazmat> hmm.. doesn't want to work without a ttyl
[03:59] <_mup_> juju/series-from-charm r464 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:59] <_mup_> charm series is used as service system constraint
[04:19] <_mup_> Bug #959914 was filed: Charm series is used for service series constraint. <juju:In Progress by hazmat> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/959914 >
[06:35] <bkerensa> SpamapS: Uhh lots of suggestions and I dont know where to begin :) I guess I will bug jcastro for guidance tomorrow :P I must be off to bed now
[06:39] <SpamapS> bkerensa: Sorry.. I am really excited about your charm which is why I'm being so picky about it. I will likely be a user. :)
[06:40] <SpamapS> bkerensa: bug me for help too, I'm happy to assist. :)
[11:29] <jamespage> whats the state of juju on lucid?
[11:30] <jamespage> might be a funny question but I'd like to see whether I can get apache bigtop running with the hadoop charm
[13:07] <hazmat> jamespage, it hasn't been tried in some time, the libzk libs need a more recent version to avoid some bugs there afaicr. we may have picked up some py 2.7isms
[13:08] <jamespage> hazmat, ack
[13:08] <jamespage> it was a 'if i get time' type activity TBH
[13:53] <yolanda> hi all, i'm trying to use juju in openstack, but i receive an error in the machine every time i try to create one, any one knows about this problem?
[14:07] <yolanda> hi, anyone can help with juju and openstack?
[14:18] <james_w> yolanda, hi, what's the error?
[14:18] <yolanda> hi, james_w, just my openstack instance is created, but the status is "error"
[14:20] <james_w> yolanda, hmm, I'm not sure how to find out what caused the error
[14:21] <jamespage> yolanda, could be a number of things
[14:21] <yolanda> james_w, i see that the image used is ami-00000049, is that ok?
[14:21] <jamespage> it might be best to take a look at the instance directly in openstack to see if you can get more info
[14:22] <yolanda> jamespage, how can it be done? i only can see the instance when i do an euca-describe-instances, and see that status
[14:22] <jamespage> yolanda, does it show error there as well?
[14:22] <yolanda> no
[14:22] <jamespage> yolanda, hmm
[14:23] <jamespage> euca-get-console-output <instanceid> might show you a bit more
[14:23] <yolanda> mm, let me see
[14:23] <yolanda>  euca-get-console-output i-00001b40
[14:23] <yolanda> UnknownError: An unknown error has occurred. Please try your request again.
[14:24] <jamespage> yolanda, oops
[14:24] <yolanda> not a very clear error :)
[14:24] <jamespage> yolanda, thats a openstack is broken error
[14:25] <yolanda> jamespage, but i'm running some other instances in openstack right now
[14:25] <yolanda> i'll try to create that one manually
[14:26] <jamespage> yolanda, you might be able to ssh to it - please try that
[14:26] <jamespage> might be able to get some good debug out of it yet...
[14:26] <yolanda> jamespage, cannot ssh, i can't see any internal ip
[14:26] <jamespage> yolanda, what is its status? running?
[14:26] <yolanda> i have 3 instances, i can see the internal ip for the previous two, but this doesn't show any ip
[14:26] <yolanda> status is error
[14:27] <yolanda> the privateIpAddress field is empty
[14:27] <jamespage> yolanda, so basically it compelelty failed to start
[14:28] <yolanda> yes, it seems
[14:28] <yolanda> will try to create same image manually
[14:30] <yolanda> ok, same image created with euca-run-instances work
[14:30] <yolanda> so it's something with juju process
[14:32] <yolanda> btw, what i want is to test some juju charm, if i cannot do it with openstack, what can i use? i did some tests with a personal EC2 account, but i need a large machine, and they started charging me an important bill, so i stopped it
[14:33] <jamespage> yolanda, I think I know what it might be - lemme just check
[14:33] <yolanda> ok, jamespage, thanks
[14:36] <jamespage> yolanda, can you try with ami-00000048 please
[14:36] <yolanda> jamespage, that can be specified with the default-image-id param, right?
[14:37] <jamespage> yolanda, it can
[14:37] <jamespage> yolanda, have you tried using the local provider for juju?
[14:38] <yolanda> jamespage, yes, but gives another error: error: Falló al iniciar la red default
[14:38] <yolanda> error: Requested operation is not valid: network is already active
[14:38] <yolanda> Command '['virsh', 'net-start', 'default']' returned non-zero exit status 1
[14:38] <yolanda> 2012-03-20 15:38:29,472 ERROR Command '['virsh', 'net-start', 'default']' returned non-zero exit status 1
[14:39] <jamespage> yolanda, ah - I know what this is
[14:39] <yolanda> i saw that i had to logout/login, but i already did it
[14:39] <jamespage> yolanda: what does virsh list-network give you
[14:40] <yolanda> unknown command "list-network"
[14:40] <jamespage> sorry net-list
[14:40] <jamespage> not list-network
[14:41] <SpamapS> yolanda: did you logout/back in after installing juju and especially libvirt-bin?
[14:41] <jamespage> yolanda, can you check that the account you are using is in the libvirtd groups as well please
[14:41] <yolanda> SpamapS, yes
[14:42] <yolanda> Nombre               Estado     Inicio automático
[14:42] <yolanda> -----------------------------------------
[14:42] <yolanda> default              activo     si
[14:42] <yolanda> sorry but it's spanish output
[14:42] <SpamapS> no problemo, yo hablo un poquito ;)
[14:42] <yolanda> genial :)
[14:44] <yolanda> jamespage, how can i check it?
[14:44] <jamespage> yolanda, type 'groups'
[14:45] <yolanda> groups
[14:45] <yolanda> yolanda adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare libvirtd
[14:45] <yolanda> that?
[14:45] <jamespage> yes - looks OK
[14:45] <jamespage> 'libvirtd' being the critical bit...
[14:45] <jamespage> hmm
[14:46] <jamespage> I wonder
[14:48] <jamespage> yolanda, I think thats a bug - juju parses the output of net-list and looks for 'active'
[14:48] <jamespage> 'active' != 'activo'
[14:48] <yolanda> damn
[14:48] <yolanda> so how can i fix it? is it possible?
[14:49] <SpamapS> wait
[14:49] <yolanda> please don't say: use Ubuntu in english :)
[14:49] <SpamapS> yolanda: dpkg -l juju
[14:49] <SpamapS> That bug was fixed... we set LANG=C before calling net-list
[14:50] <yolanda> Deseado=Desconocido/Instalar/Eliminar/Purgar/Retener
[14:50] <yolanda> | Estado=No/Instalado/Config-files/Desempaquetado/Medio-conf/Medio-inst/espera-disparo/pendiente-disparo
[14:50] <yolanda> |/ Err?=(ninguno)/Requiere-reinst (Estado,Err: mayúsc.=malo)
[14:50] <yolanda> ||/ Nombre                            Versión                          Descripción
[14:50] <yolanda> +++-[14:50] <yolanda> ii  juju                              0.5+bzr398-0ubuntu1               next generation service orchestration system
[14:50] <jamespage> SpamapS, I was just looking at that
[14:51] <jamespage> yolanda, I would recommend using juju from the team PPA - that is a very old version
[14:51] <jamespage> (the one that is in oneiric)
[14:52] <yolanda> jamespage, how can i config it? in which repo is?
[14:52] <jamespage> yolanda, https://launchpad.net/~juju/+archive/pkgs
[14:52] <yolanda> let me see
[14:52] <yolanda> i wonder if that's the cause of all my problems
[14:53] <jamespage> yolanda, not all of them but this one - probably
[14:53] <jamespage> SpamapS, good catch
[14:54] <jcastro> krondor, how's it coming along?
[14:54] <jcastro> krondor, hey do you guys plan to nginx in the moodle charm?
[14:54] <yolanda> let me test
[14:59] <yolanda> i updated it, now i have this error:
[14:59] <yolanda> Starting storage server...
[14:59] <yolanda> could not connect before timeout
[14:59] <yolanda> 2012-03-20 15:58:41,768 ERROR could not connect before timeout
[15:01] <bac> SpamapS: gmb said he talked to you about packaging for python-shelltoolbox.  will your packaging work for a lucid build?
[15:01] <SpamapS> We really should just push a newer juju into 11.10 and fore-go the proposed testing requirements. :-P
[15:02] <SpamapS> bac: it might, but you can't deploy charms on lucid at the moment, so thats sort of moot. ;)
[15:03] <krondor> jcastro:  it's going well so far.  We're going apache because the thought is most moodle users would need the auth modules.
[15:03] <jamespage> yolanda, please try 'juju --verbose bootstrap'  - you might need to juju destroy-environment first
[15:03] <jamespage> SpamapS, +1 its next to useless how it is ATM
[15:03] <bac> SpamapS: our buildbot slaves will be running lucid containers and they need to use the package too, that's why i ask.
[15:04] <jamespage> jcastro, lookings at the jetty/spdy stuff ATM - have a few ideas
[15:04] <SpamapS> bac: I can just use python-support.. that will work back to lucid
[15:04] <yolanda> jamesjpage, no timeout error now, seems i got it!
[15:04] <yolanda> i'll check with status
[15:04] <bac> SpamapS: that would be great
[15:04]  * SpamapS goes afk for a bit
[15:06] <hazmat> more recent versions set the locale to C explicitly before calling out to libvirt
[15:06] <hazmat> via env vars
[15:06] <jcastro> jamespage, right so I was thinking, something simple, that would end up being "this is a fast way to mess with SPDY" and then tell people about it. As a technology showcase, nothing like serious or something people would actually use.
[15:07] <jamespage> jcastro, how about jenkins on SPDY?  I'm going to give it a whizz
[15:08] <yolanda> jamespage, SpamapS, thanks a lot for the help
[15:08] <jamespage> yolanda, np
[15:08] <marcoceppi> I noticed something with hooks firing. My db-joined hook takes quite a while to execute. But as soon as I add-relation it shows as "state: up", if it eventually fails it shows the failure then. So, I know the relation hook fired but it won't wait for end of execution of the relation hook. Is this a bug or a intended usage?
[15:10] <jcastro> jamespage, ok so that is sexy, yes, absolutely!
[15:15] <m_3> marcoceppi: that's a known issue
[15:16] <marcoceppi> m_3: Cool, I'm fine with just adding relation, exposing, juju status until the port shows as open (thus the end of the script is done)
[15:19] <m_3> marcoceppi: yeah, we've had several discussions of this problem, but no solns afaik
[15:33] <krondor> jcastro:  mayber I can let them pick ngninx or apache w/ a config directive.  Was thinking the same with postgresql / mysql.
[15:36] <jcastro> krondor, yep
[15:38] <_mup_> juju/trunk r486 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:38] <_mup_> merge setuppy-fixes from paul [a=][r=hazmat,clint]
[15:46] <marcoceppi> m_3: I wish I knew more about how juju launched hooks :\ one day I'm going to start digging in to the source code
[15:47] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: open-port is actually supposed to be the signal that your service is ready.
[15:48] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: yeah, that's what I've been using, it's just a wee bit confusing to see the relation state as up when the hook is still running, because then it goes from up to error half way though
[15:48] <marcoceppi> Merely commenting on how it'd be nice if it went from state: "adding", to "up" or "error"
[15:53] <ninjix> I am running into ssh host key errors after I destroy my environment and try to bootstrap a new one
[15:53] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: yeah, I think a more appropriate word would be "active"
[15:53] <SpamapS> ninjix: thats common
[15:53] <SpamapS> ninjix: there's an open bug to have juju ssh use a generated known_hosts file to avoid that..
[15:53] <jcastro> lmorchard, hey I heard you were having some juju problems, anything I can do to help?
[15:53] <ninjix> how do you guys run your ssh_config?
[15:54] <ninjix> did you set StrictHostKeyChecking off?
[15:54] <SpamapS> ninjix: for production, I just deal with the pain. For testing I wildcard the test hosts and do StrictHostKeyChecking no
[15:54] <ninjix> ;)
[15:55] <SpamapS> the way I do that, which might be a bit evil, is by wildcarding by amazon region. All my production instances are in us-west-1 .. I test in us-east-1
[15:55] <ninjix> ok, cool. just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something basic
[15:56] <ninjix> SpamapS: btw, thanks for your help over the last few days. I've now got juju and cobbler driving our Proxmox cluster
[15:57] <ninjix> dev team is going to very pleased when I unveil this new cloud environment
[15:58] <jcastro> this is quite cool
[15:59] <jcastro> ninjix, when you're not so slammed it'd be nice to send this to the list.
[15:59] <m_3> yeah, I'd love to see a writeup of that
[15:59] <ninjix> sure
[15:59] <SpamapS> ninjix: *NICE*
[16:00] <jcastro> http://charms.kapilt.com/~patrick-hetu/oneiric/openerp-server
[16:00] <jcastro> look at this readme
[16:00] <jcastro> it's already better than all the stuff we wrote in the intial set of charms. :)
[16:00] <jcastro> patrick and jseutter are killing it. :)
[16:01] <SpamapS> jcastro: I'm so ashamed of mediawiki now.. I almost want to just nuke it and re-do the whole thing. ;)
[16:01] <jseutter> huh?
[16:01] <jcastro> jseutter, it's exciting to see you guys submitting these charms
[16:01] <jseutter> jcastro: ah :)
[16:02] <jcastro> shazzner's working on gitolite too
[16:03] <ninjix> my service units keep appearing with <hostname>.localdomain why are they not using the domain delivered by DHCP?
[16:08]  * SpamapS digs through the code to see where that value comes from
[16:09]  * SpamapS goes a 4th level of indirection deeper and wonders what he has wandered into
[16:12] <SpamapS> UGH
[16:12] <SpamapS>         output = subprocess.check_output(["hostname", "-f"])
[16:12] <SpamapS> ninjix: ^^
[16:12] <SpamapS> that is just so wrong.. :-P
[16:18] <ninjix> hmm... ok I'll work with the -f arg
[16:38] <ninjix> just had 99% successful wordpress test run. Only thing that didn't work was that the 000-default site was left enabled
[16:38] <ninjix> is that normal? I'm running today's PPA
[16:39] <SpamapS> ninjix: its more complicated than that
[16:40] <SpamapS> ninjix: basically the wordpress charm expects you to use the 'public-address' to access it..
[16:40] <SpamapS> ninjix: I believe marcoceppi is working on fixing that
[16:40] <SpamapS> ninjix: glad to hear you got it deploying though! :)
[16:40] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: were you going to try and tackle the Host: header weirdness w/ wordpress?
[16:40] <ninjix> the public address started working once I a2dissite 000-default
[16:41] <SpamapS> ninjix: oh, hm, that sounds different
[16:41] <jamespage> jcastro, that was painful - looks like upstream managed to not release spdy as part of the lastest jetty distro
[16:41] <jamespage> I had to hack it in
[16:42] <jcastro> nice
[16:50] <ninjix> SpamapS: this seems to be Apache2 strangeness. The FQDN site looks properly configured but Apache stops using it as soon as I re-enable the default
[16:51] <ninjix> ahh... this is happening because the 000-default is using the same FQDN as the juju created site
[16:51] <SpamapS> ninjix: sounds like a bug in the charm really.. should just dissite the default
[16:52] <SpamapS> ninjix: https://launchpad.net/charms/+source/wordpress/+filebug
[16:52] <SpamapS> If you wouldn't mind. :)
[16:52] <ninjix> no problem
[17:00] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: That's a different issue with using HAProxy in front of WP
[17:09] <ninjix> marcoceppi: I just appended the a2dissite to my local oneiric/wordpress/hooks/install
[17:09] <ninjix> marcoceppi: will the next juju add-unit wordpress pick up the change?
[17:11] <SpamapS> ninjix: no
[17:12] <SpamapS> ninjix: you have to use upgrade-charm
[17:13] <ninjix> does that imply that the my current env has the wordpress charm cached on the bootstrap instance?
[17:13] <SpamapS> ninjix: yes, there's a webdav server that hosts the charm bundles
[17:13] <ninjix> :)
[17:14] <marcoceppi> actually, SpamapS I had a question about add-unit. When I add-unit it executes the charm without any real idea that it's an additional unit, correct? So it would be just as if I had done a deploy + add-relation + expose + whatever else I did to the previous unit
[17:14] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: right
[17:14] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: to make units aware of one another use peer relations
[17:14] <marcoceppi> figured, follow up question
[17:14] <marcoceppi> and answered.
[17:15] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: though that one will proceed all the way through install -> started before being aware of the peer relationships
[17:16] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: which has been a problem in the past for charms that need to work slightly different between 1 and 1+ nodes ;)
[17:16] <marcoceppi> Lastly, is there a way within a non-peer relation hook to tell if there is another unit?
[17:16] <marcoceppi> I'm trying to avoid having the db-relation-joined hook run a MySQL import when it already exists from the first instance
[17:17] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: I'd use the database itself for that... not rely on juju for it
[17:17] <marcoceppi> I guess just mysqladmin create and capture a non 0 exit or something?
[17:17] <m_3> marcoceppi: there's a few different ways to do that... right... what SpamapS just said... check the db for a schema version or some content
[17:26] <_mup_> juju/subordinate r522 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:26] <_mup_> update unit deploy signature
[17:31] <ninjix> I am getting an SSH key error when I execute upgrade-charm
[17:32] <ninjix> ssh works manually to the remote_host value
[17:57] <negronjl> jamespage: ping
[17:58] <jamespage> negronjl, pong!
[17:58] <SpamapS> ninjix: all commands have to ssh to machine 0 so they can talk to zookeeper securely..
[17:58] <negronjl> jamespage:  Here is what I have so far for a combined tomcat6 and tomcat7 charm ( lp:~negronjl/+junk/tomcat )
[17:58] <negronjl> jamespage:  if/when you get a chance, I would appreciate some feedback.
[17:59] <SpamapS> negronjl: +junk?! ;)
[17:59] <jamespage> negronjl, yep - I'll take a look tomorrow
[17:59] <negronjl> SpamapS: It's a work in progress and I don't want to confuse anyone that may think that this is an actual usable charm yet.
[17:59] <negronjl> jamespage: thx
[18:00] <negronjl> SpamapS: I'll put it in the proper place and put it through the proper process once I get done with it.
[18:00] <SpamapS> negronjl: roger. :)
[18:25] <_mup_> juju/relation-id r488 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:25] <_mup_> Pass through relation id
[19:12] <ninjix> SpamapS: how does one add a second mysql unit as a slave?
[19:13] <ninjix> I noticed the mediawiki charm utilizes mysql slaves
[19:51] <SpamapS> ninjix: currently the mysql charm only supports one-way replication, so you 'juju deploy mysql slave-service' and then 'juju add-relation master-service slave-service'
[20:17] <ninjix> starting get the hang this. So it is the relation call that determines which hooks fire
[20:17] <SpamapS> ninjix: right
[20:19] <ninjix> so a master-master creating hooks that understand how to handle 'juju add-relation master-1 master-2' and then a 'juju add-relation master-2 master-1'
[20:20] <ninjix> that's going to dial up the complexity of the charm
[20:22] <ninjix> maybe I can add a hook for mysql-mmm pkg
[20:23] <SpamapS> ninjix: you'd only have one 'add-relation'
[20:23] <SpamapS> ninjix: they're bi-directional
[20:23] <SpamapS> ninjix: you might be able to achieve it just by doing that now though.. hmm.. hadn't thought of trying that
[20:24] <ninjix> how would it discriminate between between simple slave and master-master with only one add-relation
[20:31] <ninjix> ahh... answer my own question. Just learned how to use the <service>:<relation> syntax :)
[20:48] <ninjix> very cool. I'm now scaling the database service with total ease.
[20:49] <SpamapS> ninjix: I think thats our next t-shirt ;)
[20:49] <SpamapS> jcastro: ^^
[20:49] <ninjix> really liking the low barrier learning curve too
[20:49] <jcastro> man nice dude
[20:50] <jcastro> ninjix, send me a mail, we should  send you a juju shirt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:51] <ninjix> me like schwag
[21:37] <shazzner> hello
[21:38] <shazzner> quick question, what could be up when after deploying a charm the newly created machine still has a 'not-started' state
[21:38] <shazzner> and I can't ssh into it yet
[21:38] <shazzner> just need to be patient?
[21:52] <shazzner> well I destroyed it, then recreated it
[21:52] <shazzner> now it works, weird
[22:09] <bkerensa> jcastro: when does this contest end? I have a busy week and probably cant do work till this weekend on the charm
[22:09] <marcoceppi> bkerensa: the 23rd
[22:10] <jcastro> bkerensa, it's ok we can be flexible
[22:10] <jcastro> the deadline is the 23'rd
[22:10] <jcastro> but then there's a week of reviews, etc.
[22:10] <shazzner> cool
[22:12] <jcastro> this is the first one so it'd be dumb to make it "pencils down everyone!"
[22:30] <_mup_> juju/relation-id r489 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:30] <_mup_> Completed relation id refactoring
[23:13] <SpamapS> I think if you already submitted the charm..
[23:13] <SpamapS> and you are just dealing with my nit-picks..
[23:13] <SpamapS> your entry will be considered positively ;)
[23:13] <SpamapS> bkerensa: ^^
[23:14] <bkerensa> kk


[00:07] <artao> sooooo
[00:08] <artao> dual-head display .. i used grandr to set up my monitors as an extended desktop .. now how do i get the system to remember that on reboot?
[00:10] <astraljava> artao: These days xserver does a lot of auto-detection. But if it fails, you're still going to have to write the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to make the settings stick.
[00:11] <artao> ah
[00:11] <artao> k
[00:12] <astraljava> artao: Or, you can do what I did.
[00:12] <astraljava> Wait, grandr is a GUI?
[00:12] <astraljava> Well it shouldn't matter.
[00:12] <astraljava> It commands xrandr anyway.
[00:13] <artao> ja
[00:13] <astraljava> You just need to find out what's the command it gives, and write that into a script. Then run that script at login time.
[00:13] <artao> drag and drop display layout
[00:13] <artao> nice
[00:13] <astraljava> That way auto-detection keeps on working as it is, but you have your custom setup as you wish, too.
[00:13] <artao> i see
[00:13] <artao> makes sense
[00:14] <artao> i'm not seeing an xorg.conf
[00:14] <astraljava> Mine is like this: $ cat dualscreen.sh
[00:14] <astraljava> #!/bin/sh
[00:14] <astraljava> xrandr --auto --output HDMI-0 --mode 1920x1080 --right-of LVDS
[00:14] <artao> Xwrapper.config
[00:14] <astraljava> Yeah, that's because the auto-detection doesn't "need" it.
[00:14] <astraljava> But it's not fool-proof.
[02:16] <artao> sayyy ... where might i find docs on some of these installed apps?
[02:16] <artao> for instance Foo YC20 ... what exactly IS it and how do i use it?
[02:17] <acerimmer> artao: man & info pages for starters
[02:17] <artao> sure, i could look all this stuff up online, but i'm hoping there's something on-system to help figure this LOAD of apps out
[02:18] <acerimmer> artao: every app has some form of information in system - usually.  Gimp for instance, does not install documentation by default.
[02:18] <artao> man i'm familiar with
[02:18] <artao> nothing on Foo YC20
[02:19] <artao> right now i'm just looking thru everything and opening it up to see what it is
[02:19] <artao> incidentally ... i don't quite understand how the audio works in this install
[02:20] <artao> there's this PulseAudio Volume Control that seems to override the ALSA mixer ... making the volume knob on my keyboard fairly useless
[02:21] <artao> Foo YC20 LOOKS like some sort of live-input EQ sort of thing .. kinda like an amp-head
[02:21] <acerimmer> artao: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334   &&   http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335
[02:22] <acerimmer> artao: https://code.google.com/p/foo-yc20/
[02:23] <acerimmer> artao: there IS no substitute for research.  US is built from apps from several different packages.  I learned a bit about each one as I took on different projects.
[02:23] <astraljava> But in general, that's one reason packages should be submitted to debian first. They require manpages for inclusion to repositories. Sure, it's more work for maintainers, but much more user-friendly.
[02:27] <artao> thx for links
[02:27] <artao> indeed
[02:27] <acerimmer> artao: all that said, each major program probably has some type of tutorial available either at the main site or via user sites.  Worth a look...
[02:27] <artao> k
[02:29] <artao> wow
[02:29] <astraljava> Yeah, some of them redirect you to online documentation by hitting F1.
[02:29] <artao> just discover gladish/ladi/ladi session handler
[02:29] <artao> that. is. cool. as. hell.
[02:29] <artao> XD
[02:34] <artao> nice! you've got GIMP installed with fx-foundry filters and GAP .. u happen to know if gimp paint studio is in there?
[02:35] <acerimmer> artao: @ terminal: locate paint
[02:36] <artao> ?? no locate command
[02:36] <acerimmer> artao: open a terminal, TYPE locate paint and press ENTER
[02:37] <artao> i did
[02:38] <artao> i got " bash: locate: command not found "
[02:38] <astraljava> It's mlocate these days.
[02:38] <acerimmer> artao: that's...unexpected
[02:39] <artao> no mlocate either
[02:39] <astraljava> Err... sorry.
[02:39] <astraljava> Yeah, that's probably just missing from the US package set.
[02:40] <acerimmer> astraljava: I thought "locate" was a part of the linux core.
[02:42] <astraljava> acerimmer: Heheh... define such. :)
[02:43] <astraljava> artao: What does `apt-cache policy ubuntu-standard`  show you?
[02:44] <acerimmer> astraljava: on my 10.04
[02:44] <acerimmer>   Installed: 1.197
[02:44] <acerimmer>   Candidate: 1.197
[02:44] <acerimmer>   Version table:
[02:44] <acerimmer>  *** 1.197 0
[02:44] <acerimmer>         500 http://mirror.peer1.net/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages
[02:44] <acerimmer>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[02:44] <astraljava> acerimmer: I would say linux core is the kernel, not even most device drivers. Surely not a tool that searches /usr for binaries is a linux core utility.
[02:45] <artao> i get:
[02:45] <astraljava> acerimmer: Yes. What's your point?
[02:45] <artao> Installed: (none)
[02:45] <astraljava> artao: Right.
[02:45] <artao> Candidate: 1.245
[02:45] <astraljava> You might wanna install it.
[02:45] <artao> Version talbe:
[02:45] <artao> 1.245 0
[02:45] <astraljava> Damn that installation has been botched.
[02:45] <artao> 500 http:// archive ...
[02:45] <artao> crap
[02:46] <astraljava> artao: It will provide some nice-to-have stuff.
[02:46] <astraljava> So I suggest you install it.
[02:46] <astraljava> Err...
[02:46] <astraljava> Wait.
[02:46] <artao> also wondering about divx codecs
[02:46] <astraljava> Yeah, you should install it.
[02:47] <astraljava> artao: A good tool for finding stuff: `apt-cache search foo`
[02:47] <astraljava> Replace foo with whatever.
[02:47] <artao> k
[02:48] <artao> looking in synaptic .. if a package has :i386 after it, it's for 32bit, yes?
[02:49] <astraljava> Of course that will in many cases give you multiple answers. In that case, you get more info with `apt-cache show foo`
[02:49] <astraljava> Replace foo now with any packages that were found.
[02:49] <astraljava> artao: Yea.
[02:51] <acerimmer> artao: searched synaptic for gimp paint - not there.
[02:51] <artao> i'm kinda lookin for codecs too .. under win I would use ffdshow .. i find nothing in synaptic searching for ffd
[02:52] <artao> fair nuf
[02:52] <artao> it's just some brushes and setting for the gimp to make it more artist friendly
[02:52] <artao> i'm sure i can manage to install that myself
[02:52] <acerimmer> artao: search synaptic for gimp - LOTS of goodies.
[02:52] <artao> now about this thing i should install?
[02:53] <acerimmer> artao: which thing would that be??
[02:54] <artao> i was asked to do that apt-cache command, and it came back with Installed: (none)
[02:54] <artao> ubuntu-standard
[02:54] <artao> i imagine i do a sudo apt-get install ubuntu-standard ??
[02:55] <acerimmer> artao: good question.  I'd ask astraljava.  What more would you want US to have??
[02:55] <artao> divx
[02:55] <artao> ;)
[02:55] <artao> i found nothing that looked useful in synaptic
[02:56] <artao> there ARE divx codecs for linux, no?
[02:56] <acerimmer> !medibuntu !ubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:56] <artao> ??
[02:57] <acerimmer> artao: sudo apt-get install medibuntu && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras will install all the usual codecs
[02:57] <artao> ah
[02:57] <artao> sry, thx
[02:58] <astraljava> artao: Yes, you can use apt-get or synaptic or whatever for installing it.
[02:59] <astraljava> Err... medibuntu isn't a package, it's a repository.
[02:59] <artao> aha
[02:59] <astraljava> http://www.medibuntu.org/repository.php
[02:59] <artao> i was just gonna ask if i needed to add a repository to get medibuntu
[02:59] <astraljava> But beware, it's not supported in here.
[03:00] <artao> fair nuf
[03:00] <acerimmer> artao: Might want to read through this first...http://medibuntu.org/repository.php
[03:01] <artao> good lord! i wonder what all else this install may have 'missed'
[03:02] <acerimmer> artao: install didn't "miss" - legal issues, free/non-free issues surround the whole issue of codecs
[03:03] <artao> ah
[03:03] <artao> perhaps you weren't here earlier for the fun i had with my install
[03:03] <artao> ;)
[03:03] <artao> took a LOT of help here to get it up right
[03:03] <artao> some stuff may still be missing
[03:04] <artao> i believe astraljava was one of my helpers :D :D :D
[03:04] <acerimmer> artao: I saw part of it.  I'd only point out that sticking with LTS releases seems to cut down on such problems.
[03:05] <astraljava> That's true. The intermediary releases are a little like test benches, if you will.
[03:06] <astraljava> We fight hard to keep them stable, of course, but LTS releases normally get more testing, shining and polishing.
[03:06] <artao> righto
[03:09] <acerimmer> astraljava: audacity in 12.04??  not in 11.10
[03:11] <astraljava> acerimmer: It's still under debate.
[03:12] <astraljava> We're trying to keep the default installation as small and sleek as possible. But people keep pointing out it's one of the most popular apps on sf.net, for instance.
[03:12] <acerimmer> astraljava: Consider my vote = YES!  Ardour is WAY too much for my modest podcasting/youtube video needs.
[03:12] <astraljava> I don't know what will happen. If I hazard a guess, I'd say it'll be in.
[03:12] <ailo> Audacity is the most used FOSS audio editor in the world. It would be silly not to include something as big and widely used as that
[03:12] <artao> audacity = yes for me too
[03:12] <artao> :)
[03:13] <astraljava> ailo: Yeah, and I don't really know why it isn't in. But then, I don't really use those apps.
[03:13] <ailo> Out of all the audio apps that are available to US, only vlc is most widely used
[03:13] <ailo> And vlc is of course not installed by default
[03:14] <ailo> The top two are 1.videolan, 2.audacity
[03:14] <astraljava> Yep. Legalities...
[03:14] <ailo> I don't think there's any legal issues with vlc
[03:14] <ailo> I don't have non-free repos on my Debian install, and I have it
[03:15] <ailo> ardour is probably another very popular application
[03:15] <ailo> But, not as popular as audacity
[03:16] <astraljava> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11002413&postcount=2
[03:16] <astraljava> ailo: Could be that debian compiles vlc with stripped codecs and whathaveyou.
[03:19] <ailo> astraljava: It can play mp3's but I'm not sure how that works
[03:19] <acerimmer> somebody snuck in a proprietary codec...
[03:20] <astraljava> Yeah well, if you read that thread a little further, it might be the case where the legality status is questionable, but not proven illegal (nor legal, as of yet).
[03:20] <astraljava> Meaning no courtroom drama has been fought.
[03:27] <acerimmer> oh happy day!  Just updated my virtual 11.10 US and there's the ffox!
[03:27] <acerimmer> version 10
[03:32] <astraljava> Cool. Just wish the force-feeding of FF would stop. There's some weird bug with that, for instance with Thunderbird, I had to tweak config in order for it to _ask which_ application I want to use for opening links. Before that, it'd give me firefox no matter what.
[03:33] <astraljava> And I can't even count how many times I've set google-chrome as the preferred browser, and periodically (although not regularly) it gets reset.
[03:35] <superuser_> astraljava- chrome and ffox seem to co-exist on my 10.04
[03:37] <astraljava> Sure they co-exist. It's just the question of preferred (and in some cases the default) browser setting.
[03:38] <astraljava> And this is Xubuntu|Ubuntu Studio 11.10 installations that I'm talking about.
[03:38] <astraljava> 10.04 probably didn't have such issues, even in Xfce installations. I remember seeing there having been some changes to that just recently.
[05:31] <mynameisdeleted> hi
[05:32] <mynameisdeleted> I have a tascam us-800 sound-card which is absolutely noise-free when connected by usb to my macbook pro
[05:32] <mynameisdeleted> but when plugged into my i7 overclocked desktop produces noise
[05:32] <mynameisdeleted> I was wondering if a usb-to-optical-to-usb solution might fix this
[05:32] <mynameisdeleted> or I might just be able to get away with  a cheaper external powered usb-hub solution
[05:33] <mynameisdeleted> to try to seperate the sound-card from the computers power supply to reduce electric noise pickup
[05:33] <ailo> mynameisdeleted: I believe it is the power that creates the noise
[05:33] <mynameisdeleted> perhaps running jackd on a less noisy computer and using net-jackis best
[05:33] <ailo> mynameisdeleted: Have you tried without the power supply?
[05:34] <mynameisdeleted> the sound-card has to have a power-supply to work
[05:34] <ailo> I meant for the laptop
[05:34] <mynameisdeleted> if I shtu teh comptuer off the sound-card wont make noise turned all the way up with speakers all the way up
[05:34] <mynameisdeleted> laptop produces no noise with or without
[05:34] <mynameisdeleted> desktop produces noise
[05:34] <mynameisdeleted> desktop has nice dual monitor and i7 gaming-grade cpu and 12GB ram
[05:35] <ailo> I see. I misread
[05:35] <mynameisdeleted> so it can run a lot more jack applications and give more screen realestate
[05:35] <mynameisdeleted> do you know a good usb-optical-usb cable?
[05:35] <mynameisdeleted> as card is independantly powered it doesnt need to produce power
[05:35] <mynameisdeleted> I saw that usb1.1 can actually be converted both ways as an unpowered cable wihtout needing to bundle in copper
[05:36] <mynameisdeleted> someone sells that
[05:36] <mynameisdeleted> but its $850 for that to support usb2
[05:36] <mynameisdeleted> necessary for 6 chanel 24-bit 96 khz
[05:36] <ailo> I don't use usb devices myself
[05:37] <ailo> I only had a noise problem on laptops, including macbook
[05:37] <ailo> When using usb
[05:37] <ailo> Not mine
[05:38] <mynameisdeleted> I'm thinking that for an unpowered device I can cut the 5v cable on the usb which might be where most noise comes from
[05:41] <mynameisdeleted> bluetooth over wireless might work too
[05:43] <mynameisdeleted> or maybe a strong magnet around cable like a degouser
[05:44] <mynameisdeleted> I've seen that used to block rf
[05:47] <mynameisdeleted> http://diyparadise.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=124
[05:47] <mynameisdeleted> that might work
[05:48] <ailo> Could it be something to do with voltage on your MB?
[05:54] <mynameisdeleted> if it is then a powered usb-hub as a proxy shoudl fix it
[05:54] <mynameisdeleted> I think 1000w desktop power supplies and gaming graphcis cards just make noise
[05:55] <mynameisdeleted> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=auE&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=usb+isolator&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=410608l412931l0l413123l14l14l0l2l2l2l128l1023l9.3l12l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1276&bih=673&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=8552679044683345821&sa=X&ei=O8gsT62bIOHF0QGx-_3lCg&ved=0CH4Q8wIwAg   that one looks nice
[05:56] <mynameisdeleted> or this:   http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=auE&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=usb+isolator&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=410608l412931l0l413123l14l14l0l2l2l2l128l1023l9.3l12l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1276&bih=673&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=16474264055484199178&sa=X&ei=O8gsT62bIOHF0QGx-_3lCg&ved=0CHgQ8wIwAA
[16:29] <Eximius> is ubuntu studio Super Cool?
[16:29] <astraljava> What kind of a question is that? Of course it is.
[16:31] <Eximius> :D
[16:42] <Eximius> Can you guys help
[16:42] <Eximius> gparted can't recognize my ntfs partitions
[16:43] <astraljava> That's strange.
[16:44] <Eximius> Yeah it is
[16:44] <Eximius> fdisk sees it
[16:44] <Eximius> kernel sees it
[16:44] <astraljava> Do you have ntfs-3g installed?
[16:45] <Eximius> I'm currently on the live cd
[16:45] <astraljava> You can install it into the live session as well.
[16:46] <Eximius> No I can't
[16:46] <Eximius> software center broke
[16:46] <Eximius> D:
[16:46] <astraljava> Eximius: `sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g`
[16:46] <Eximius> oh yay, cmdline :D
[16:46] <Eximius> forgot linux had that
[16:47] <Eximius> teehee
[16:47] <astraljava> It's better to use it for support cases, cause pasting what happens is much much easier.
[16:48] <Eximius> Well yeah
[16:48] <Eximius> ntfs-3g is on the live cd
[16:48] <Eximius> Man, ubuntu has come a long way
[16:49] <astraljava> Hmmm... I gotta look up if such an issue is known.
[16:49] <Eximius> in just 3 years
[16:49] <Eximius> fucking great
[16:49] <astraljava> Yes, yes it has.
[16:49] <Eximius> Hell, I was going to install archlinux, but I might as well get ubuntustudio :D
[16:54] <Eximius> astraljava: could it be that win7 is still locking the drive
[16:55] <Eximius> I was sure to correctly shutdown windows
[16:55] <Eximius> though
[16:55] <Eximius> I was restarting the pc
[16:55] <Eximius> so windows might have locked the drive?
[16:55] <Eximius> how can I check that
[16:57] <astraljava> Eximius: I have no idea. I have a dual boot setup, but I never use the NTFS side under Ubuntu. And in fact, I have booted into Windows only once (it's a work laptop, and I was told I need the Win installation for some rare test cases).
[16:58] <astraljava> Looks like that issue is not very common, or then my google-fu just fails at the moment. You could try #ubuntu, as this doesn't seem to be a Studio-specific problem.
[16:58] <Eximius> Yeah, probably the drive is locked by windows
[16:58] <astraljava> Wait, which live cd are you on?
[16:58] <Eximius> basicly windows locks the drive to protect itself from viruses
[16:58] <Eximius> ubuntu 11.4 lts
[16:58] <Eximius> i think
[16:58] <astraljava> I wouldn't know.
[16:58] <astraljava> Yeah ok, try the #ubuntu channel.
[16:59] <Eximius> Yeah, that channel is useless
[16:59] <astraljava> Oh?
[16:59] <Eximius> I'll just restart my pc
[16:59] <Eximius> btw
[16:59] <Eximius> How is ubuntu studio super awesome
[16:59] <Eximius> because I really don't know if I should use it
[16:59] <astraljava> It just is. You will see, if you install it. :)
[17:00] <astraljava> It's actually just a set of packages, a different desktop environment, and some branding.
[17:00] <Eximius> So you always first buy the tickets to a plane and then think about the wondrous place you went to?
[17:00] <astraljava> Some work has been done to enable a more working environment for audio recording and handling, etc.
[17:01] <Eximius> astraljava: I thought there were some things about realtime kernel on ubuntustudio
[17:01] <Eximius> yeah full jack
[17:01] <astraljava> No realtime kernel anymore, but -lowlatency is going to be included.
[17:01] <Eximius> awww
[17:02] <astraljava> It'll be quite enough for 99.99% of users.
[17:02] <astraljava> Realtime patches are not done for nearly most of kernel versions.
[17:02] <astraljava> And they're difficult to maintain.
[17:03] <astraljava> -lowlatency gets you almost there, with considerably easier maintenance.
[17:03] <astraljava> ...for all versions of linux.
[17:03] <Eximius> Hmm, well, ubuntustudio is super cool
[17:04] <Eximius> But I think I'm still going to go with archlinux then
[17:04] <astraljava> You're free to do as you please.
[17:04] <Eximius> It's still nice to see a polished and creative environment done with linux :)
[17:04] <Eximius> canonical is super cool
[17:05] <astraljava> It provides a lot.
[17:06] <Eximius> welp, cya
[17:09] <astraljava> Later.
[17:17] <Eximius> It seems that GParted doesn't support GPT?
[19:08] <Monona> How do I boot into a crashed hard drive so that I can retrieve unsaved files?  Specifically, a recording project in Ardour on a computer running Lucid that crashed mid-recording.
[19:40] <rhkfin> Hi there. Anyone with pointers how to capture video over firewire? I have two Texas Instrumets firewire cards and ~ubuntu studio 11.10 installed. dvgrab tells: 'no camera exists'. dmesg repeats these three lines (or actually only 2nd..)
[19:40] <rhkfin> [  247.176047] firewire_core: rediscovered device fw1
[19:40] <rhkfin> [  265.238657] firewire_ohci: node ID not valid, new bus reset in progress
[19:40] <rhkfin> [  266.012297] firewire_core: skipped bus generations, destroying all nodes
[19:40] <rhkfin> cards are 05:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) [iOHCI-Lynx]
[19:40] <rhkfin> 05:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB12LV23 IEEE-1394 Controller
[19:41] <rhkfin> I've been trying to read, search to find a solution and my best guess is that along with new firewire stack the support for old(?) hardware was dropped including my adapters. How do I know that?
[20:11] <holstein> rhkfin: try as root to troubleshoot permissions
[20:12] <holstein> try right in the GUI of something too and see what the errors are
[20:12] <holstein> like kdenlive?
[20:19] <rhkfin> holstein: Have tried as root and also with kino.
[20:20] <rhkfin> Will check again
[20:22] <holstein> rhkfin: i would google around and see how the hardware support is for the camera
[20:22] <holstein> my cheapy camera just shows up as a hard drive
[20:23] <rhkfin> holstein: I kind of thought that using FW worked as a standard and it'd not be dependent on camera. But will check that too.
[20:24] <holstein> rhkfin: well, i can say FW works, and TI chips are the way to go
[20:25] <rhkfin> "However, the camera has a USB Stream feature, in which you can stream from the tape through the USB cable to the computer, and transfer the video that way. " this is interesting!
[20:25] <rhkfin> this too: "While reading the PDF manual found on Sony Support site, trust me, I found those golden words "USE ONLY 4PIN TO 4PIN i.Link Cable for Firewire connection." "
[20:25] <rhkfin> I use 4 to 6 pin..
[20:26] <holstein> i do too, but for audio... who knows
[20:26] <holstein> seems as plausible as anything else at this point
[20:26] <rhkfin> So I guess this is what kills it..
[20:27] <rhkfin> The owner will bring a win laptop & 4-4 pin cable so at least I'll be able to capture but it'd be nice to be able to try it on Linux, not only get the job done..
[20:28] <holstein> rhkfin: let us know
[20:28] <holstein> we dont have very many ways to test that kind of thing
[20:28] <rhkfin> right
[20:29] <rhkfin> Should have a live cd to test on that laptop if it works.. let's see if I have the time..
[20:29] <holstein> rhkfin: we have a live 12.04 version in the works
[20:29] <holstein> you can try AVlinux though for now
[20:30] <rhkfin> right..
[20:32] <holstein> well, you might get away with a normal ubuntu live CD i suppose
[20:32] <holstein> i always need/want so much audio software to test with
[20:33] <rhkfin> by the way is it normal that studio 11.10 alt installer runs tasksel and lets me select what packages/package sets to install, or was it unetbootin that added that option? I've never faced that before and it also didn't work at all.. Had to install stuff manually in the end..
[20:34] <ailo> rhkfin: That's a standard Ubuntu Studio thing
[20:34] <rhkfin> using standard ubuntu live: openshot can't capture video -> need to install kino / kdenlive / dvgrab
[20:34] <rhkfin> ailo: ok, thanks, didn't know.


[04:07] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Hey. A thought. Hoz that "book" comming along ? I have yet to see my share of the royalties :)
[06:01] <Bashing-om> To slow for me to keep up . Gone to bed - G nite
[07:19] <ducasse> good morning all
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:47] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj - hope you are well and have a wonderful xmas :)
[13:50] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse, thanks, have a very Merry Christmas as well and the best to you and yours for the new year :-)
[20:30] <Bashing-om> Procrastinating; I can come up with no better way than here on IRC .
[20:31] <nicomachus> me, all day
[20:32] <ducasse> hiya Bashing-om - back in business? ;)
[20:33] <Bashing-om> The rain is is comming .. Rather than get caught out in the rain .. I just pester all yall :)
[20:35] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Wonder of wonders, moving the spinners off the same SATA buss as the SSD ( and great grieve to fix the file systems on the spinners) .. and YES .. solid and stable !
[20:36] <nicomachus> we had some ice this morning.
[20:36] <nicomachus> like... sleet I guess.
[20:36] <nicomachus> or just frozen rain
[20:37] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Here is unseasonably warm ! .. no ice .. NO white Christmas . My feelings are not hurt .
[20:42] <ducasse> Bashing-om: had a similar problem once, turned out to be some bad caps on one controller, causing some drives to work while others failed. resoldered, and everything was fine.
[20:46] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Yeah, had that same thought of bad caps .. took a flashlight and a magnifing glass to look . saw nothing to get concerned about . Been stable for 2 days now ... but my fingers are still crossed .
[20:55] <ducasse> Bashing-om: what kind of board is this?
[20:58] <Bashing-om> ducasse: An old Abit KN9 SLI, nvidia chip sets ! I recently replaced the ATI graphic's card with an nVida card ( just prior to installeing the SSD)  .
[21:01] <ducasse> Bashing-om: cpu socket?
[21:01] <ducasse> (too lazy to look up myself ;)
[21:14] <ducasse> Bashing-om: only reason i ask is because i might  have a functioning board you can use - you're welcome to it.
[21:22] <Bashing-om> ducasse: It be on AM2 sockets .. but these boards are so old ! Really not worth the effort to keep them up . Besides which I have an newer box ( Asrock board) that I could move the drives to .
[21:23] <ducasse> Bashing-om: ah,  ok then. let me know if you need anything, though, lots of stuff in my magic box of tricks :)
[21:27] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Thanks ! .. Always nice to have a shoulder to lean on - sometimes just to cry on ! But really, I have had and worked on this present box so long and so much ... I am kind of partial to it . Still able to do all I want of it and more . Runs 16.04 just fine so I am good 'til 2021 !
[21:32] <ducasse> Bashing-om: you have the right attitude:  run it till the magic smoke  disappears! ;)
[21:36] <Bashing-om> ducasse: This ole box is 'most "sailor proof" .. takes a beating and keeps on keep'n on .  The noise is comforting , and the Wife can keep track of me .
[22:04] <daftykins> PS/2 is better than USB for peripherals i think :) lower level interrupts
[22:08] <Bashing-om> daftykins: So long as ya keep in mind ... can not hot swap !
[22:09] <daftykins> indeed! although i did encounter some newer boards that still keep PS/2, which are capable
[22:12] <Bashing-om> If ya can find them ! Here in backwards county Ark. try and find a PS2 mouse ..


[00:02] <soreau> I see this but no solution https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/579300 and no real reason to disable this module (?)
[00:06] <soreau> There is no evidence of this 'OSSp' I can find
[00:28] <lamont> meh. how do I get udev to pretend that a particular device just got added and re-run the rules (so I can see if I got this right)?
[00:29] <kklimonda> soreau: have you tried using padsp?
[00:31] <elmo> lamont: udevadm trigger ?
[00:31] <lamont> elmo: yeah... it's the arguments to that where I'm hitting challenges... though if udevadm trigger with no more args triggers all of them, then my rules skilz are sadly lacking
[00:33] <elmo> lamont: IME no arguments does it all
[00:33] <lamont> meh.   I tried running enemy territory and it just says http://pastebin.com/xrA4ivj6 With pasuspender it says it can't find /dev/dsp and with LD_PRELOAD=libpulsedsp.so it just says "Sorry but your soundcard can't do this". I believe this message is coming from the app but it has worked on this machine before without pulseaudio (on previous versions of ubuntu)
[02:17] <kklimonda> soreau: are you, by any chance, running 64bit system?
[02:20] <soreau> kklimonda: no
[02:22] <soreau> The pulseaudio guys said snd-pcm-oss should probably exist (blacklisted) so there is a fallback for pasuspender
[02:22] <kklimonda> soreau: there is also http://nullkey.ath.cx/~stuff/et-sdl-sound/ which do some magic to Q3, and few other games on its engine.
[02:29] <soreau> kklimonda: That gave "------- sound initialization ------- SDL audio driver initializing... SDL_AudioDriverName() = NULL"
[02:29] <soreau> and no audio
[02:30] <kklimonda> soreau: the reason for oss removal has been consolidating audio stack in Ubuntu (or however one could call it), I guess just blacklistingthose modules doesn't change much as they would still have to be maintained.
[02:30] <kklimonda> soreau: have you used the script from this page that sets SDL_AUDIODRIVER?
[02:34] <soreau> kklimonda: Not yet, let me try
[02:41] <soreau> kklimonda: It still says "SDL_AudioDriverName() = NULL" and there is no audio
[02:46] <kklimonda> soreau: you can tweak SDL_AUDIODRIVER, make sure you have right packages installed (libsdl1.2debian-esd or libsdl1.2debian-pulse depending on backend). If it still doesn't work then it's google time
[02:57] <soreau> kklimonda: Ok, it works now that I selected pulse as the driver
[02:57] <soreau> Thanks a lot, I should add this to that report
[04:24] <soreau> kklimonda: The only thing is, there's slight echoing and popping throughout the game
[04:25] <ResQue> what game are we talking about?
[04:27] <soreau> ResQue: enemy territory and probably any other that use /dev/dsp
[04:31] <soreau> The only thing is, there is slight yet consistent cracking and echoing throughout the game
[04:40] <kklimonda> well, the seriousness of this particular problem differs from one title to another.
[04:40] <kklimonda> you can run some old games, without any problems, using padsp
[07:13] <micahg> ricotz: FF4.0b8 is building now
[07:19] <ricotz> micahg, great :), but can you add a natty build to the ppa too?
[07:21] <micahg> ricotz: oh, forgot about that, the problem is the natty build isn't the same as the rest of the builds in the PPA, does that matter? (i.e. it's firefox-4.0 not firefox)
[07:21] <ricotz> micahg, oh, i see, it should be "firefox" of course
[07:23] <micahg> ricotz: I can't do that easily because of how different the branches are, things will break badly
[07:26] <ricotz> micahg, ok, i will wait then
[07:27] <micahg> ricotz: if you want a firefox-4.0 unbranded to play with while waiting, I can do that pretty easily
[07:30] <ricotz> micahg, alright please do
[07:32] <micahg> ricotz: uploaded, should be about 2.5 hrs
[07:57] <ricotz> micahg, thanks, you uploaded it to firefox-next?
[07:58] <micahg> ricotz: unless I messed something up, let me make sure I got a confirmation
[08:00] <micahg> oops, one too many i's in the PPA name :-/, let's try again
[08:04] <micahg> ricotz: now it's building :
[08:05] <ricotz> good :)
[08:52] <tiox> Hey. I just popped in to ask about where the location of things like the gears icon for Run is at. I figured the Ubuntu developers would know best the obscure location of such system icons.
[09:23] <tiox> Does anyone want to help me? I just want to know the location to certain system icons like the gears for run application.
[09:24] <tiox> I use Ubuntu Desktop Edition x64
[09:26] <micahg> tiox: try /usr/share/icons
[09:30] <tiox> Thanks a bunch, I'll poke around through there/
[13:02] <WasserDragoon> hello everyone, i would like to build some packages with a meta package that installs all other packages but when i'm trying to install i get this error message: http://pastebin.com/rfCKcqzd
[13:02] <WasserDragoon> this is my control file: http://pastebin.com/uygF8f44 what's wrong there?
[13:40] <Jacruth> hi guys
[13:41] <Jacruth> so, If I want to install Ubuntu in my mobile, must I use Ubuntu Netbook Edition?
[13:53] <WasserDragoon> no idea?
[14:02] <Jacruth> whatever, ubuntu-mobile is not maintained?
[14:17] <hallyn> Jacruth: what sort of mobile?  a mobile phone?  or a netbook?
[14:18] <Jacruth> uhm... a toshiba portege G810 lol
[14:18] <Jacruth> mobile phone
[14:18] <Jacruth> :3
[14:19] <hallyn> heh, then i've not done that, sorry.  i thought about doing the zubuntu thing on a zaurus, but never did
[14:19] <Jacruth> zaurus?
[14:19] <Jacruth> aha
[14:19] <WasserDragoon> can someone tell me what to modify in my control file to get the packages work?
[14:21] <Jacruth> WasserDragoon, which packages?
[14:21] <Jacruth> hallyn, have you heard something about Kubuntu Mobile?
[14:21] <WasserDragoon> i would like to build some packages with a meta package that installs all other packages but when i'm trying to install i get this error message: http://pastebin.com/rfCKcqzd
[14:22] <WasserDragoon> this is my control file: http://pastebin.com/uygF8f44 what's wrong there?
[14:24] <Jacruth> in deustch :S
[14:24] <WasserDragoon> Jacruth: oh sorry *lol* just a moment, i'll translate it
[14:25] <Jacruth> what does this means?
[14:25] <Jacruth>        apache-zeta-components : Hängt ab von: apache-zeta-components-mvc-template-tiein (= ppa0+svn1053340) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[14:27] <WasserDragoon> Jacruth: just a moment pls, have to find the english version of this text
[14:29] <WasserDragoon> something like depends: apache-zeta-components-mvc-template-tiein (= ...) but will not be installed
[14:30] <WasserDragoon> "depends on '...' but it will not be installed" ;-)#
[14:30] <geser> most likely there is a conflict at some point of the dependency chain
[14:31] <WasserDragoon> geser: but i can't see any conflict, that's why i pasted my control file ;-)
[14:32] <geser> it hasn't to be a conflict that high on the dependency chain
[14:33] <geser> try installing both your meta package and the mentioned package together (with apt-get) to see where the conflict really is
[14:33] <geser> you might need to repeat this with adding additional packages till you get to the real conflict
[14:34] <WasserDragoon> apache-zeta-components-template (= ppa0+svn1053340) isn't installable
[14:35] <WasserDragoon> ok it seems there's no package built with this name :-( maybe some errors with debuild
[14:36] <WasserDragoon> urgs there's no package template, there's a module template which is in the package output lol thanks
[14:58] <hallyn> Jacruth: no, i hadn't.  hm, and runs on n900
[20:59] <ari-tczew> All the best in 2011. See you next year!


[01:07] <thumper> afternon
[01:07] <thumper> or noon
[01:07] <ojwb> nooon!
[03:50] <G> hads: hey you don't deal with anything from the Dynamix catalog right?
[05:04] <hads> G: Do have an account with them, can get stuff if you want.
[05:35] <G> hads: oh okay, if I work out what I need I'd be interested in a rough price, I doubt there'd be much different, but it's worth finding out
[06:16] <hads> G: Okay
[06:54] <G> hads: the only concern, is that it's pretty small fry (just doing a home wiring job) and it'd be too small, but I'll send the list to the info@ address on your site
[06:57] <hads> G: No problem
[07:00] <G> hads: sent, just interested in rough price atm
[07:54] <G> hads: thanks, I'll do a measure up tomorrow, to make sure I got the right cable length etc, and just to make sure the cable runs will be okay etc, and likely get back to you tomorrow
[07:55] <G> hads: I'm also heading out to Penrose tomorrow, so I might get the filter from PB but everything else certainly looks cheaper/etc than anything I can get locally
[18:17] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:41] <ajmitch> morning
[19:02] <chilts> morning
[21:57] <thumper> morning
[22:00] <chilts> late up I see
[22:00] <chilts> :-p
[22:00] <chilts> not many people around this morning
[22:01] <ajmitch> we're around, just busy
[22:10] <mwhudson> morning
[22:14] <hads> morning
[22:16] <Atamira> morning
[22:24] <thumper> does anyone here know if there are business breaks for sponsoring conferences?
[22:24] <thumper> is it considered advertising?
[22:30] <ibeardslee> I believe it can be considered an advertising expense
[22:30] <ibeardslee> IANAA
[22:31] <hads> That's my understanding and how we've accounted for it in the past.
[23:04] <ojwb> hads, thumper: if hads is wrong, I'll campaign to get you two a cell together
[23:18] <ibeardslee> would one of these be useful as a mythtv front end box? .. https://firstin.co.nz/products/foxconn-nettop-dual-core-barebones-pc-6565/
[23:31] <ojwb> the raspberry pi seems like it will be a good option, if you're prepared to wait a little while
[23:42] <chilts> heh, that's cheap (but is it any good): https://firstin.co.nz/products/mini-android-netbook-pc-6579/
[23:58] <G> talking about the Raspberry Pi...
[23:58] <G> hads: are you going to try and get a few in when they are released?


[00:00] <trudell> hi james
[00:02] <trudell> somebody knows if have kubuntu for armel processors?
[00:02] <james147> trudell: kubuntu only supports amd64 and i686 compatable processors
[00:03] <james147> trudell: you might want to look at debian... that has support for just about everything ever :s
[00:06] <trudell> i was, but i cant download squeeze for amel! :(
[00:07] <trudell> 404 not found
[00:08] <trudell> james147: i found only snapshot versions
[00:09] <trudell> debian-testing-armel-kde-CD-1.iso       14-Feb-2011 08:53  648M   <-- soooooo big
[00:11] <trudell> james147: Is netinstall a simplified version with optional internet installation of packages?
[00:12] <trudell> james147: do you know something about it?
[00:14] <james147> trudell: a netinstall tends to be a minimal collection of software toget the installer running and then the installer downloads the packages from the internet
[00:15] <trudell> james147: ya! thx james
[00:16] <trudell> james147: Another question: Is business card version a good choice for minimal installation for little tablets?
[00:18] <james147> trudell: i do not know what a business card version is
[00:20] <trudell> james147: another question: have some environment to develop and compiling armel architecture on kubuntu with i686 processor?
[00:21] <trudell> or its impossible?
[00:21] <james147> trudell: it is possible to crosscompile... but is not a trivial thing to do
[00:21] <trudell> james147: why not?
[00:23] <trudell> james147: what tools i will need to do crosscompilation from i686 to armel?
[00:47] <trudell> james147: do you know which version of kde debian squeeze uses?
[01:12] <Rask> Quick question - for a new system running Kubuntu, ATI or nVidia?
[01:13] <Rask> Given that my luck is absolutely horrendous, which is the safest choice?
[01:14] <Sentynel> I'm running KDE4.6 on 10.10, and it won't save my GTK theme settings; it resets to QtCurve on each boot. anybody know how to fix that?
[01:19] <melodie_> ...hi
[01:20] <melodie_> hi
[01:20] <melodie_> question??
[01:27] <Sentynel> melodie_: ask your question, if somebody knows the answer they'll reply
[01:30] <melodie_> oh...sorry im sort of new to this, thank you...first off, this is a personal thing so its not that important, but how, if there is anyway do i send a sms message from either the internet or my email adress....i heard you could but i really have no idea how, and since I don't have a phone, it sort of sucks.... :/
[01:32] <kal> hi
[01:32] <petete> usually you can send SMSs from the phone company webpage
[01:32] <petete> at least you can here
[01:33] <melodie_> For that you have to have a account, we stopped paying for it so we don't have that acsess anymore.
[01:34] <Sentynel> melodie_: google "send sms", there are loads of results
[01:34] <Sentynel> I've no idea how reliable any of them are, though
[01:35] <melodie_> Ok, I shall try
[01:45] <melodie_> Ok thats not working so... next question. Dose anyone know any programs I can download from my KpackageKit that will help me edit either sound or video/both...
[01:46] <Sentynel> melodie_: audacity is a good audio editor
[01:49] <Sentynel> melodie_: there are a few video editors around; I think kdenlive is quite good
[01:53] <melodie_> Sentynel: when it bring up audacity in the KpackageKit, it brings up three things. One that says "A fast, cross -platform audio editor" the next that says "A fast, cross -platform audio editor (debug)" and the one after that says "A fast, cross -platform audio editor (data)"
[01:53] <melodie_> which one do i download
[01:53] <melodie_> im guessing the first
[01:53] <melodie_> right?
[01:53] <Sentynel> melodie_: yup
[01:54] <Sentynel> it'll automatically grab any other packages it depends on, so you just select the main one
[01:54] <melodie_> just making sure then
[01:54] <melodie_> didn't want to mess it up haha
[02:44] <rackIT> I want to know how to expand an existing virtual drive
[06:16] <ecinx3> is it possible to use a gui app from my laptop on this computer? with all the settings and plugins from the laptop? in this case gvim
[06:21] <amason> ecinx3: can you give us a bit more information....
[06:22] <amason> what is this computer ? a kubuntu machine ?
[06:22] <amason> and what is your laptop ?
[06:22] <amason> if it's two gnu/linux boxes you can just copy the .files over
[06:22] <amason> or you can do Xforwarding over ssh
[06:22] <amason> and use the application on your laptop
[06:23] <amason> if your current machine is freebsd or opensolaris you can probably do the same
[06:23] <amason> if you have a windows  or osx machine YMMV
[06:27] <ecinx3> i found a faq and it works
[06:27] <ecinx3> it told me to download openssh-server
[06:28] <ecinx3> then i did ssh -X -l<user> <ip>
[06:29] <ecinx3> they are both kubuntu btw, i'm on gnome right now with the desktop
[06:29] <valorie> ssh is magick
[06:29] <ecinx3> lol
[06:33] <rackIT> does anyone know where I can find information on expanding an existing virtual hard disk image? using qemu - if that matters
[06:33] <valorie> let's see if the bot knows anything
[06:34] <valorie> !qemu
[06:34] <valorie> have you checked there, rackIT?
[06:47] <rackIT> valorie: yes. nothing obvious, but you do remind me to RTFM :)
[06:53] <valorie> haha
[06:53] <valorie> never in language like that
[06:54] <valorie> I could have glared, and said MAN QEMU
[06:54] <valorie> lol
[09:59] <Limza> hi
[10:42] <jacek_> ?
[10:42] <valorie> lol
[10:42] <valorie> I have the same question
[12:22] <jimkey> hi
[12:22] <jimkey> i need help with mic and sound
[12:22] <jimkey> can anyone help?
[12:22] <shadeslayer> jimkey: um .. i have to rush, but i'll leave you with this
[12:23] <shadeslayer> !sound
[12:23] <shadeslayer> also ...
[12:23] <shadeslayer> !ask
[12:23] <shadeslayer> ok bye :)
[12:23] <jimkey> why is pc sound is captured by mic ... even if it is muted?
[12:31] <admin1> james147: got all the files copied over-- thanks for help
[12:32] <admin1> can someone recomment firewall and AV
[12:35] <james147> !firewall | admin1
[12:36] <james147> !virus | admin1
[12:36]  * james147 notes that a firewall isent needed either if your on a trusted network behind a router
[12:42] <admin1> I am  on my home network and this is my only linux box (set up as a file server).  There are typically 5-6 WIN XP/Vista/WIN7 boxes connected to network that us the are mapped to various folders on file server.  What do you recommend
[12:43] <bazhang> clamav
[12:45] <omkar> can anyone please help me to configure apache2 for running php5
[12:46] <omkar> I have everything installed properly but for something its not running
[12:47] <james147> omkar: this might be of intrest:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[12:47] <admin1> bazhang:  I am downloading clamav with freshclam  anything else I need to get it going
[12:47] <omkar> php5
[12:48] <bazhang> admin1, that should pull in what you need
[12:48] <omkar> I had mysql installed earlier n also apache2
[12:48] <omkar> I then installed php5
[12:49] <omkar> n tried moving the php test script to the alias path which was mentioned in /etc/phpmyadmin/apache2.conf
[12:49] <omkar>  /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf
[12:50] <omkar> Also I have included the same in the /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[12:50] <omkar> lets see now i m running the tasksel for installing lamp-server onto my kubuntu 10.04
[12:53] <hanno> Hi there. I've got a problem with the run App on KDE. If i press ALT+F2 and then type it hangs for a few seconds before the keystrokes are accepted. Has anyone had this problem, too? I found two people in the forum sharing the problem, but no solution.
[12:54] <james147> hanno: what version of kde?
[12:54] <omkar> I am pasting the output to pastebin n will post the link here
[12:54] <omkar> would appreciate if anyone could help me a bit
[12:55] <omkar> http://pastebin.com/qMxWDrZH
[12:55] <hanno> james147: The Version is 4.4.5 (KDE 4.4.5)
[12:56] <james147> hanno: i suggest you upgrade to maverick (kubuntu 10.10) which has kde 4.5.... i remember some peoblems with krunner in 4.4.... but its been a while since I have used that version
[13:00]  * james147 recalls that it might have been the nepomuk plugin for krunner....and suggests to hanno to try disabling that is he dosennt wish to upgrade
[13:01]  * james147 still recommends upgrading however ^^
[13:49] <nitin> hello
[13:49] <nitin> hello
[13:56] <lei_> Fedora 的源更新快吗？
[14:03] <lei_> kde Widget 是用什么语言开发的啊
[14:03] <nitin> 22 m india plz chat wid me
[14:03] <nlsthzn> oh noes not again
[14:04]  * nlsthzn thinks he needs to learn the bot commands for languages and how to attract mods attention when the ban hammer is needed :/
[14:05] <Pici> !in | nitin
[14:05] <lei_> 用js能写吗
[14:05] <Pici> !zh | lei_
[14:06]  * nlsthzn bows down before Pici's skills
[14:06] <Pici> :)
[14:21] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:22]  * nlsthzn lurks and waves at BluesKaj...
[14:22]  * BluesKaj waves back to nlsthzn
[14:39]  * ct529 waves at BluesKaj from a distance
[14:39] <BluesKaj> hi ct529
[14:42]  * nlsthzn decided to shift away from Kubuntu and KDE and try Unity... that experience lasted as long as it took me to re-install Kubuntu and get KDE 4.6 back up ... phew...
[14:46] <BluesKaj> nlsthzn, yeah I tried Unity as well , it lasted a few days in my case :) Even gnome lovers are disenchanted with it.
[14:47] <BluesKaj> I see over at #ubuntu , a lot of ppl are regressing to classic gnome
[14:47] <nlsthzn> the reason I was so quick to change back was because I couldn't get it to work... not one of the pre-releases booted up after installation... (the same with openSUSE 11.4 ... I am worried :/)
[14:49] <BluesKaj> nlsthzn, well, kubuntu 10.10 is very stable and IMO handles application repos much better then suse or the "Hats"
[14:50] <BluesKaj> nlsthzn, the apt package management system is superior in other words
[14:51] <nlsthzn> BluesKaj: If it wasn't for some of the ways *buntu makes it easier I would gladly be using openSUSE... it is solid (well, 11.3 was for me)
[14:54]  * BluesKaj nods
[15:06] <afink> anyone else on 64 bit having flash problems after an update about a week and half ago?
[15:30] <foormea> hi
[15:31] <foormea> for some strange reason, my eth0 is not automatically configured when i plug a cable in, actually to enable dhcp i have to manually do a dhclient eth0
[15:32] <BluesKaj> foormea, does the ethernet icon say unmanaged ?
[15:32] <foormea> BluesKaj: correct!
[15:33] <BluesKaj> foormea, you seem to have some networking skills so this is what several ppl are doing nowadays , maybe you would want to try it as well , there are 2 tutorials one for dhcp and th other for static IP on your LAN
[15:34] <sre-su> !pm > Nitin
[15:34] <sre-su> ha
[15:34] <BluesKaj> foormea, for dhcp :http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[15:34] <foormea> but mh i'm just confused over the fact that "it worked" and "it doesn't anymore" with *i think* no obvious reason...
[15:35] <foormea> but thanks BluesKaj for the link, let me take a look
[15:35] <BluesKaj> foormea, for static : http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[15:36] <foormea> or maybe i'll just use wired and not use the network manager
[15:36] <foormea> i'm very very lazy these days :D
[15:37] <BluesKaj> foormea, it has to do with you /etc/network/interfaces settings and dhclient , the sttings have to be more specific about the gateway , network and broadcast IPs
[15:38] <BluesKaj> foormea, anyway that's been my experiejne
[15:38] <foormea> BluesKaj: AH! thanks a lot, pppoeconf messed up my /etc/network/interfaces
[15:38] <BluesKaj> experience
[15:38] <foormea> thanks a lot :)
[15:38] <BluesKaj> ok foormea
[15:39] <foormea> also BluesKaj
[15:40] <foormea> i'm coming back to buntu from some time on gentoo. i was familiar with debian/ubuntu before, but many things seem to have changed in the past 1-1.5 years. many services are managed by upstart now, right? is there an interface like sysv-rc-conf for upstart services?
[15:40] <foormea> i've looked but haven't found anything yet, maybe you'd know :)
[15:42] <BluesKaj> foormea, ubuntu or kubuntu , on kubuntu look in system settings / startup&shutdown /service manager
[15:44] <foormea> thanks a lot BluesKaj
[16:01] <Guest82008> hello
[16:02] <BluesKaj> Guest75821, hi
[16:02] <BluesKaj> oops sry wrong guest
[16:03] <nitin> i m new to ubuntu
[16:03] <nitin> suggest me some new col apps for ubuntu
[16:04] <foormea> BluesKaj: got disconnected, sorry. unfortunately restoring my /etc/network/interfaces file as such http://pastebin.com/5dtjfVPe does not help the network manager to automatically configure my eth0... do you have any idea?
[16:05] <foormea> it just still says 'unmanaged'
[16:05] <foormea> for eth0
[16:05] <foormea> i'm currently connected with wlan0 and since wlan0 is not in the interfaces file
[16:06] <foormea> should i just try to remove altogether stuff relevant to eth0 too? would that let the network manager handle it?
[16:06] <foormea> i guess i'll try.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> using /etc/network/interfaces as your network  manangement requires network manager to be either disabled or removed because it changes the interface settings at boot
[16:10] <foormea> ah BluesKaj took me a while haha but anywayc, commenting out the 2 lines relevant to eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces did the trick
[16:11] <BluesKaj> foormea, using /etc/network/interfaces as your network  manangement requires network manager to be either disabled or removed because it changes the interface settings at boot
[16:11] <foormea> and :( i'll have to read up about upstart, as silly as it sounds i did not manage to stop/restart the networking services...
[16:12] <BluesKaj> foormea, the static setting makes your connections slightly fasterbut the dhcp option is easier for most
[16:12] <foormea> BluesKaj: i'd normally use static, but right now on this computer i just want something that works with as little custom configuration as possible :)
[16:13] <BluesKaj> foormea , sudo service networking restart
[16:14] <BluesKaj> using /etc/init.d/networking restart also may work , but it's being replaced by services,conf
[16:14] <foormea> BluesKaj: i did, it wouldn't restart. then "service ... stop" doesn't work, "stop eth0" or "stop wlan0" or "stop eth0=eth0" etc.. did not work. well true, i have not read the man for upstart/networking yet
[16:15] <BluesKaj> foormea, it service stop or start , stop or start servce
[16:15] <BluesKaj> not stop service
[16:16] <foormea> BluesKaj: i'll give it a try and i'll check some doc for networking on recent ubuntus
[16:16] <BluesKaj> sudo service networking start or stop etc
[16:16] <foormea> thanks a lot for your help tonight (at least here's it's night :D)
[16:16] <foormea> are you a dev for ubuntu/kubuntu?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> foormea, no just a user likeyou :)
[16:19] <BluesKaj> foormea, Canada here , so it's still morning :)
[16:19] <foormea> hehe. there's a lot of new stuff in maverick compared with 9.10. i was really impressed to see nouveau used by default with my nvidia card
[16:19] <foormea> ok
[16:19] <foormea> hong kong here, time to go sleep
[16:20] <foormea> bye bye, thanks again for your input
[16:20] <BluesKaj> foormea, there's a hardware driver for nvidia in the kmenu that you should check out
[16:20] <foormea> oh yeah i'm now using the proprietary driver
[16:21] <foormea> but it's cool to see that nouveau is starting to get shipped by default on distros
[16:21] <foormea> anyway
[16:21] <foormea> i better go
[16:21] <foormea> bye!!
[16:21] <foormea> ----
[16:21] <FloodBotK2> foormea: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:22] <BluesKaj> it's the recommended one , it may not be activated , you need to activate it , nouveau is merely a stopgap til you install the proper nvidia driver
[16:42] <ct529> BluesKaj: which nvidia driver you mean?
[16:45] <BluesKaj> ct529, the recommended driver in kmenu/applications/system/ additional hardware
[16:46] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: are you on Natty and use Konsole?
[16:47] <ct529> BluesKaj: I installed the nvidia one from the website
[16:48] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, nope,on maverick
[16:48] <gnomefreak> k thanks
[16:51] <BluesKaj> ct529, i tried the proprietary driver from the nvidia website as well, it was listed as the driver for my 8400gs , but it couldn't run X
[16:57] <BluesKaj> ct529, which nvidia do you use ?
[17:18] <kInOzAwA> hello
[17:53] <computer_> I need help installing
[17:53] <computer_> I need help installing 8.10
[17:54] <computer_> the apt-get upgrade is not working
[17:54] <nata> computer_: please list out the error
[17:59] <computer_> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-updates/main/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:59] <computer_> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-updates/restricted/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:59] <computer_> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-updates/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:59] <computer_> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-updates/universe/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:59] <computer_> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-updates/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:59] <FloodBotK2> computer_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:59] <computer_> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-updates/multiverse/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[18:05] <nata> computer_: what version of linux you use? kubuntu 8.10?
[18:37] <risto> hello
[18:38] <risto> how to remove from kopete annoying notification ?
[18:38] <aaditya_> #gsoc
[18:39] <aaditya_> #kart_
[18:39] <aaditya_> hi
[18:42] <risto> anyone knows how to remove kopete notifications ?
[18:51] <aaditya_> hey how to make iso file of my current running ubuntu system?
[18:52] <BluesKaj> !aptoncd
[18:55] <aaditya_> can i make iso file from this tool
[18:55] <aaditya_> ???
[18:57] <BluesKaj> aaditya_,
[18:58] <BluesKaj> APT removable repository creator and package backup tool for Debian based systems.
[18:58] <BluesKaj> This tool will allow you to create a media (CD or DVD) to use to install software via APT in a non-connected machine, as well upgrade and install the same set of softwares in several machines with no need to re-download the packages again.
[18:58] <FloodBotK2> BluesKaj: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:58] <BluesKaj> :)
[18:58] <aaditya_> .
[18:58] <aaditya_> ,
[18:58] <aaditya_> ,
[18:58] <aaditya_> ,
[18:58] <FloodBotK2> aaditya_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:58] <BluesKaj> aaditya_, now now
[19:00] <computer_> need help installing
[19:01] <BluesKaj> computer_, installing ?
[19:01] <computer_> need help installing 8.10
[19:01] <BluesKaj> yeah computer_ it's no longer supported, you
[19:02] <BluesKaj> you're better off installing a newer OS
[19:03] <BluesKaj> !lts | computer_
[19:03] <BluesKaj> !8.10
[19:03] <BluesKaj> !eol
[19:04] <BluesKaj> !pm | computer_
[19:04] <aaditya_> ok
[19:04] <aaditya_> ok
[19:05] <BluesKaj> aaditya_, we prefer not to pm'd here with being asked first
[19:16] <ubuntu_> help
[19:17] <ubuntu_> I cannot enter the system with my credentials after shotting down the system by  bottom
[19:17] <ubuntu_> botton]
[19:25] <BluesKaj> ubuntu , bottom button ?
[19:40] <davut> opera acık kaynak mıdır?
[19:41] <davut> ıs opera open source?
[19:41] <Pici> No.
[19:42] <davut> thanks
[19:42] <Pici> np
[19:53] <BluesKaj> !hw
[19:53] <BluesKaj> !hardware
[20:10] <__-osh-__> Hi guys. For some reason I won't X working when booting off kubuntu10.10-live-cd. Is there some option that I can turn on/off to get it to work?
[20:13] <avihay> __-osh-__: yes, you can disable the display driver and VESA
[20:13] <avihay> that's usually the number one reason
[20:13] <__-osh-__> avihay: Can I do that from the live-cd?
[20:19] <__-osh-__> "Safe graphics mode" seems to be the option to set... =)
[20:19] <__-osh-__> Let's reboot...
[20:50] <__-osh-__> ...except that there isn't a "Safe graphics mode" on kubuntu10.10 live cd. *sigh*
[20:51] <__-osh-__> is there some way to boot into vesa-mode?
[20:53] <__-osh-__> ah... the -xforcevesa option is nice to have...
[20:54] <__-osh-__> too bad I didn't read that earlier.
[20:54] <__-osh-__> back to reboot...
[21:37] <melodie_> Are there any downloads of a sound machine or something of that nature that I can find online or on KpackageKit??
[21:39] <melodie_> Are there any downloads of a sound machine or something of that nature that I can find online anywhere else??
[21:42] <Snowhog> melodie_: 'sound machine' as in synthisizers? Search on 'midi' in KpackageKit.
[21:43] <melodie_> I was just looking for a drum machine or something of that nature but a synthisizer would be awesome
[21:43] <melodie_> Snowhog: thanks, i'll look it up :D


[13:12] <jrwren> I definitely don't know C++ anymore, and neither do you. http://www.bfilipek.com/2018/04/deprecating-pointers.html#
[13:13] <myself> Happy March 32nd, everybody!
[13:27] <jrwren> lmao. I honestly didn't know that was an april fools day joke.
[13:31] <myself> It better be!
[13:36] <jrwren> why is that? It kind of makes sense with the direction C++ is going.
[13:37] <myself> fair enough, I never did trust all those pluses
[13:37] <jrwren> lol.
[15:40] <cmaloney> honestly the sooner we can deprecate C++ the happier we'll all be
[15:41] <cmaloney> it was a nice experiment but Bjarne can finally let us in on the joke. ;)