[01:31] <xubuntu678> God I installed ubuntu 11.04, my god i will never make that mistake again
[01:31] <xubuntu678> thanks for making this!
[01:32] <charlie-tca> seems like a bad night for most people to be connected... :)
[05:46] <solomonic> Hey, so there is a little doc at the bottom.. anyway to get that off?
[06:14] <test_> hi, back with the unsolved problem from yesterday, help anyone?
[06:18] <test_> using natty, and since 2 days ago, can't log in to my original account, stuck in a login loop
[06:51] <baws> Hello.
[08:53] <Clerisy> my taskbar isn't showing up?
[09:04] <Mandrew> can i install global menus in xubuntu?
[09:17] <Clerisy> could somebody help me with my error please
[09:17] <Clerisy> http://pastebin.com/T9txwZVQ
[09:39] <Mandrew> can i install global menus in xubuntu?
[13:57] <mogitaff> Hello
[13:58] <mogitaff> Is it possible to use fai-server for xubuntu installation ?
[16:42] <zielkq> hey, i have a small problem - when i had xubuntu 10.10 all's work, but now i have the latest version of this linux... ;-)
[16:43] <zielkq> when i plug my mobil phone (nokia e51) to laptop by usb cable and i choose a 'transfer media', linux coudn't open memory card from this phone...
[16:44] <zielkq> error is: (i try to translate it, because i have other language, no english)
[16:44] <zielkq> "it isn't possible to open catalog BC3D-C910"
[16:45] <zielkq> "Error of input/output"
[16:45] <zielkq> any solve of this problem? ;-)
[16:53] <Aicasn> what's the point of the LTS line of ubuntus?  are they supposedly more stable?  i get that they offer "long-term support" but don't users have support by staying updated anyway?
[16:53] <charlie-tca> yes, but normal releases are supported for 18 months, LTS is supported on desktop for 3 years, server for 5 years
[16:54] <charlie-tca> For those not wanting to upgrade every release, LTS offers a lot of stability for a longer time
[16:54] <Aicasn> and there's nothing more to it other than not having to upgrade as often to maintain support?
[17:00] <Aicasn> i wonder what the demographics look like for LTS users...? my guess is that it would be more popular in business environments vs. power-user/developer/home-user machines
[17:02] <charlie-tca> heh, most power users will upgrade every 6 months
[17:02] <cal__> This may be a stupid question: I recently installed Xubuntu 11.04, but unlike my other install, the "Aero-snap"-type features aren't working, and I can't find anywhere to enable them in the settings manager
[17:03] <charlie-tca> what is "Aero-snap"?
[17:03] <cal__> when you drag a window to the top panel, for example, it will maximize
[17:03] <cal__> or to the left of the screen, it will take up half the screen by auto-resizing
[17:04] <Wizard> it works like this in gnome3
[17:04] <Aicasn> bleh. not a fan of that.  don't like MS assuming that by moving a window up I want it to be maximized.  if I wanted that, i would click the maximize button  -.-
[17:05] <Wizard> btw, where did you get then name from?
[17:05] <cal__> I'm mostly used to it by habit; but am I mistaken? isn't this supposed to be enabled by default in xubuntu?
[17:05] <cal__> that's what MS calls it, people sometimes recognize it by that name
[17:05] <charlie-tca> That has never been in Xubuntu.
[17:06] <cal__> alright. my mistake!
[17:06] <cal__> thanks, adios
[17:06] <charlie-tca> It is part of Unity, in Ubuntu
[17:07] <Aicasn> what do you guys think of Unity?  does it feel more like Aero for people that a switching win7->ubuntu ?
[17:07] <Aicasn> *are
[17:07] <charlie-tca> We don't use it
[17:08] <charlie-tca> Unity is part of Ubuntu, not Xubuntu
[17:08] <Aicasn> i'm aware.  figured some people have played with it
[17:09] <charlie-tca> I have never used win7, and I have not used Unity enough to know if I like it, since Xubuntu is and has been my primary operating system since 2006
[17:39] <Wizard> Aicasn: i don't know how does unity look fcomparing to windows, i haven't used it for ages
[17:41] <Wizard> but i've been using unity, it sucks
[17:42] <Wizard> it is really really bad, bad designed, bad thought up, bad coded
[17:43] <Wizard> it's bad for both experienced users and for newbies, for people used to windows 98, xp, 3.11, kde1, 2, 3 and 4 gnome 1 and 2
[17:44] <Wizard> every single person will miss some function or be annoyed by some bug
[17:47] <elros> "it was an interesting experiment, yielding important user data to make our product better"
[17:55] <Aicasn> guess i'm not surprised.  think unity will stay around for next ubuntu release?  get cleaned up and such
[18:06] <nicofs> Has anyone got any idea how i could get a xubuntu chroot environment to work from within maemo?
[18:23] <elros> my guess is that unity and gnome 3 will coexist in oneiric, and mr shuttlewirth will ponder heavily on the preferred desktop for 12.04
[18:35] <poptisse_> I am having an issue with restart X - i think i just broke xubuntu lol
[18:41] <Aicasn> can you provide some details, poptisse_?  where does it fail?  have you checked the logs?  anything conspicuous in them?
[18:44] <poptisse_> Hi Aicasn
[18:44] <poptisse_> I just enabled ctrl alt backspace to restart X - as I had edited the xorg.conf to fix a screen tearing issue. I pressed ctrl alt backspace - everything went black and came back and all i can see is my desktop with two items i had on my desktop previously, I have no menu absolutely nothing so can't run terminal or any piece of software....
[18:44] <Aicasn> press Ctrl+Alt+F2 and tell me if that gets you a terminal
[18:45] <poptisse_> Yes it turned my monitor into a terminal lol
[18:45] <Aicasn> log in and fix your xorg.conf
[18:45] <Aicasn> restore from backup if you made one
[18:46] <poptisse_> I don't think it is the xorg.conf which did it - i was simply following a tutorial which everyone else had no issues with
[18:46] <poptisse_> so cant see why it had affected me
[18:47] <Aicasn> i think it's very possible that your current xorg.conf is making X unhappy.  if you have a backup I strongly suggest you try it
[18:47] <Aicasn> if not, change it back. no harm done
[18:48] <poptisse_> ok
[18:48] <poptisse_> I cant seem to be able to do that
[18:48] <poptisse_> Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display
[18:48] <poptisse_> :l
[18:48] <poptisse_> Soon as i do
[18:48] <poptisse_> gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:48] <Aicasn> use nano, vi, joe, or emacs
[18:49] <Aicasn> you can't use apps that need X
[18:49] <poptisse_> :l
[18:49] <poptisse_> You've lost me
[18:49] <poptisse_> I literally installed xubuntu an hour ago
[18:50] <poptisse_> God all this to try and fix a screen tearing issue - makes me wanna go back to windows lol
[18:50] <poptisse_> Nothing seems to work for me at all..
[18:50] <Aicasn> log in and type    nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:51] <poptisse_> :P
[18:51] <poptisse_> ok
[18:51] <poptisse_> The line i entered was
[18:51] <poptisse_> Section "Extensions"
[18:52] <poptisse_> Option "composite" "disable"
[18:52] <poptisse_> EndSection
[18:52] <poptisse_> I got that off a tutorial - it seemed to work for everyone else with no issues like i had reported so a bit dumb founded
[18:53] <poptisse_> How do i save it lol
[18:53] <poptisse_> it says ^o for writeout but i dont know how to execute it
[18:54] <Aicasn> ^ is control
[18:54] <poptisse_> ok
[18:54] <poptisse_> says permission denied
[18:54] <poptisse_> ill log into root and try that way
[18:54] <Aicasn> or add  sudo  before nano
[18:54] <Aicasn> sudo is a better habbit to get into
[18:55] <poptisse_> ok
[18:55] <poptisse_> After this can you help with my screen tearing?
[18:55] <poptisse_> I have tried everything
[18:55] <poptisse_> configz or w.e its called does not work for me
[18:55] <poptisse_> I have nvidia drivers installed I have tried selecting all vynsyn etc
[18:55] <poptisse_> no luck
[18:57] <poptisse_> I have managed to write the file, we'll see if that fixed it
[18:57] <poptisse_> :D
[18:58] <poptisse_> Now to solve screen tearing :(
[18:58] <Aicasn> 2d or 3d tearing?
[18:59] <poptisse_> http://wildebeestplain.blogspot.com/2011/06/tearing-screen-even-with-vsyncing-on.html
[18:59] <charlie-tca> um, Xubuntu doesn't have 2d/3d. It only has xfce, instead of unity with 2d/3d
[18:59] <poptisse_> Thats the tutorial i am following
[18:59] <poptisse_> To tell truth I am on ubuntu no one is helping on that channel so was told to come here
[19:00] <charlie-tca> i see
[19:00] <poptisse_> It tears on videos and when moving windows etc - i have not tested gaming as i wont be gaming on it
[19:01] <poptisse_> The tutorial says to add this to the end of xorg.conf - Section "Extensions"     Option         "Composite" "Disable" EndSection
[19:01] <poptisse_> I did that and that gave me the previous issue which is now fixed - but still screen tearing
[19:05] <Aicasn> where did you get your video drivers?
[19:06] <poptisse_> I tried directly from nvidia but that did not go so well
[19:06] <poptisse_> so i did the other way thru
[19:06] <poptisse_> hardware driver software
[19:06] <poptisse_> I just did a google search - and allot of forums say that works so i cant see why it wont work for me
[19:06] <poptisse_> :l
[19:08] <poptisse_> The addition driver software - is where i downloaded the nvidia drivers
[19:10] <poptisse_> You able to help me at all?
[19:11] <Aicasn>  i'm looking for similar reports
[19:11] <Aicasn> what is your video card/chip?
[19:11] <poptisse_> Nvidia GTX 260
[19:11] <poptisse_> This guy - http://wildebeestplain.blogspot.com/2011/06/tearing-screen-even-with-vsyncing-on.html has the exact same issues as me.
[19:12] <poptisse_> He even mentions how he fixed it - so i thought i would try that and it did not work just gave me the error u helped fix
[19:13] <Aicasn> are you certain there weren't any typos in the section you added?   i'm reaching but I can't imagine why turning off composite would bork your 2d video
[19:14] <poptisse_> To the best of my knowledge no.. but than again I don't really know what am doing
[19:14] <poptisse_> How about if i send u my xorg.conf and u edit it and send it back via pastebin.com
[19:14] <poptisse_> and ill try that?
[19:14] <Aicasn> if you just added that section to the very end of the existing xorg.conf you should be fine
[19:15] <Aicasn> this time don't do c+a+backspace. just log out and back in again
[19:15] <poptisse_> ok two secs
[19:15] <Aicasn> *** make a backup!!!!
[19:17] <poptisse_> :l
[19:17] <poptisse_> produced the exact same issue
[19:18] <Aicasn> m'kay.  i really don't know man.  i might try the official nvidia drivers again
[19:18] <Aicasn> do you have a CRT monitor?
[19:18] <poptisse_> No
[19:18] <poptisse_> It's connected via HDMI
[19:19] <poptisse_> I have also tried connecting via vga
[19:19] <poptisse_> It's a samsung lcd
[19:19] <Aicasn> might check that the refresh rate is 60Hz.  again, reaching
[19:19] <poptisse_> I can't get the official nvidia drivers installed
[19:19] <poptisse_> well
[19:19] <poptisse_> According to nvidia is it
[19:19] <poptisse_> *it is
[19:19] <Aicasn> why?
[19:19] <poptisse_> It says its 60Hz
[19:20] <poptisse_> I try using the runpackage and it gives me some weird X is running error crap
[19:20] <poptisse_> two secs ill re-produce it
[19:22] <poptisse_> Its an irritating issue because i cant be the only one and there has to be a fix surely
[19:22] <poptisse_> I might even offer a cash reward for fixing it ha ha
[19:24] <poptisse_> ok
[19:24] <poptisse_> You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing.
[19:25] <poptisse_> Thats the issue - if i can get around that it would mean i can install the official drivers
[19:26] <Liv-> hello, anyone uses pidgin by any chance? was able to update it?
[19:28] <CDelia> Hello people of Xubuntu
[19:28] <CDelia> I am seeking some help.
[19:29] <poptisse_> ok once i edit terminal via ctrl alt f2 and stop X how do i get back to desktop?
[19:29] <Aicasn> poptisse_:  how did you stop X?
[19:29] <poptisse_> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[19:30] <poptisse_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281358
[19:30] <poptisse_> I am following that
[19:30] <charlie-tca> CDelia: please state your problem, all on one line, and if anyone knows an answer, they will respond
[19:30] <Aicasn> so   sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start  ought to do it
[19:30] <Aicasn> if you have any nvidia packages install I would recommend removing them before installing the nvidia version
[19:31] <Aicasn> *website version
[19:31] <CDelia> I just switched from ubuntu 10.10 to Xubuntu 11.04. I have been looking all over for the keyboard shortcut manager so I can set up my window switcher, volume control, and application launcher keys. I found it earlier today when I was running Xubuntu through virtual box, but now that I installed it as my main operating system I have no idea where it is.
[19:31] <poptisse_> oh is this fucking kidding me!!!
[19:32] <charlie-tca> !language | poptisse_
[19:32] <poptisse_> Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the services(8) utility, .e.g servide gdm stop
[19:33] <poptisse_> charlie-tca sorry i am having an issue with screen tearing and nothing seems to work not even turning on vysync
[19:33] <charlie-tca> CDelia: either menu -> settings -> keyboard or menu -> settings -> appearance
[19:33] <Aicasn> okay so   sudo service gdm stop
[19:33] <poptisse_> unknown instance
[19:33] <charlie-tca> We still keep our language clean, even when we are getting frustrated.
[19:34] <poptisse_> Sorry, have you got any idea how it could be fixed?
[19:34] <Aicasn> poptisse_:    ps ax | grep gdm    is it running?
[19:34] <Liv-> I can't remove packages under residual config in synaptic as the "apply" button does not work, how can remove those packages? is it ok if I use apt-get autoremove?
[19:35] <charlie-tca> I don't, no. Aicasn seems to have some help, though
[19:35] <charlie-tca> I don't use Ubuntu
[19:35] <charlie-tca> Liv-: yes, that works, normally
[19:36] <poptisse_> aicasn no idea if it is running no idea what it is
[19:36] <Liv-> should I do any backup just in case?
[19:36] <CDelia> Charlie, I tried navigating to where you told me, but it is not showing me the options I am looking for to re-asign the different keyboard shortcuts.
[19:37] <Aicasn> poptisse_:   what was the output of that command?
[19:38] <Aicasn> ps ax | grep gdm
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Liv-: not needed. If the packages are still needed, a simple sudo apt-get install fixes it
[19:38] <charlie-tca> CDelia: in Keyboard, application shortcuts are the shortcut keys for the system
[19:39] <Aicasn> poptisse_:  if all you get back is the grep command (or nothing at all) then gdm has already been stopped
[19:39] <charlie-tca> in Window Manager, Keyboard tab, are the shortcuts for the window manager (xfwm)
[19:39] <poptisse_> it just kept saying
[19:39] <poptisse_> basically it was not recognised
[19:40] <Aicasn> what was not recognized?
[19:40] <poptisse_> when i did
[19:40] <poptisse_> sudo service gdm stop
[19:40] <CDelia> yay!
[19:40] <poptisse_> it did not do anythng
[19:40] <CDelia> Thanks Charlie
[19:40] <Aicasn> do  ps ax | grep gdm
[19:40] <poptisse_> ok two secs
[19:40] <Liv-> thank you, charlie-tca
[19:41] <poptisse_> ok did that
[19:42] <poptisse_> It returned some lines some of it in red
[19:42] <CDelia> I have a cat on my back
[19:42] <Aicasn> how many lines?
[19:43] <poptisse_> 7
[19:43] <poptisse_> I cant copy and paste it as am talking to u via a windows 7 laptop lol
[19:43] <CDelia> I don't understand, cat's just think oh look there is Chris, I am going to turn him into a couch by laying down on his back while he is laying down.
[19:43] <Aicasn> poptisse_:   /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/service gdm stop
[19:43] <poptisse_> CD - What they're actually doing is displaying they're dominant over you and they're in charge - dont let them lay on u or they wont ever stop it
[19:44] <CDelia> lol
[19:44] <CDelia> Its too late for that.
[19:44] <Aicasn> then feed one to your dog.  the rest will get it
[19:44] <CDelia> She is like 6 years old. Far set in her ways
[19:44] <poptisse_> gdm stop/waiting
[19:45] <Aicasn> poptisse_: /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/service gdm status
[19:45] <Liv-> lol CDelia
[19:45] <poptisse_> gdm stop/waiting
[19:45] <poptisse_> I think it has stopped lol
[19:46] <Aicasn> hit up arrow until you get back to the  ps ax|grep gdm  line then hit return
[19:46] <Aicasn> how many lines now?
[19:46] <poptisse_> ok two secs
[19:46] <poptisse_> 1
[19:46] <Aicasn> grep --color=auto gdm?
[19:47] <poptisse_> 2037 tty2  S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto gdm
[19:47] <Aicasn> good
[19:47] <Aicasn> now go sudo run your nvidia installer
[19:48] <Aicasn> follow the directions carefully.  when it's done do   /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/service gdm start
[19:48] <Wizard> good evening
[19:48] <Aicasn> hey wiz
[19:50] <poptisse_> what do i do now lol
[19:50] <poptisse_> just enter
[19:50] <poptisse_> sudo run
[19:50] <poptisse_> ?
[19:50] <poptisse_> or
[19:50] <poptisse_> sudo run your nvidia installer
[19:50] <poptisse_> the installer is on my desktop
[19:51] <poptisse_> I cant run it from the terminal
[19:51] <Aicasn> lol. sure you can
[19:51] <poptisse_> I have to go back to the desktop
[19:51] <poptisse_> well
[19:51] <Aicasn> the desktop is a folder in the filesystem
[19:51] <poptisse_> I gotta find out whats it called :l lol
[19:51] <CDelia> Now aparently I need a bath. My cat is licking my head.
[19:51] <poptisse_> two secs
[19:51] <poptisse_> cd again dominant she is marking her teritory as she does not like the smell of u
[19:51] <CDelia> lol
[19:52] <CDelia> I guess so
[19:52] <poptisse_> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-275.09.07.run
[19:52] <poptisse_> Its called that
[19:52] <poptisse_> so how do i make it run that
[19:52] <Aicasn> so let's find it.   do    find -type f -name "NVIDIA*" /home
[19:53] <poptisse_> ok
[19:54] <Wizard> what are you doing?
[19:54] <Aicasn> giving poptisse_ some tips on CLI linux :)
[19:54] <poptisse_> paths must precede expression /homne
[19:55] <Aicasn> bah.   find /home -type f -name "NVIDIA*"
[19:55] <poptisse_> Wizard - basically ubuntu 11.04 is a pile of BS and gives me awful screen tearing and no turning on vsync aint working
[19:55] <poptisse_> simples lol
[19:55] <poptisse_> it just gave me
[19:55] <poptisse_> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-275.09.07.run
[19:56] <poptisse_> which i alreayd knew....
[19:56] <poptisse_> lol
[19:57] <Aicasn> it didn't give you the path?
[19:57] <poptisse_> yeh
[19:57] <poptisse_> Desktop
[19:57] <Aicasn> type out the entire line please
[19:58] <poptisse_> ok /home/blackberry/Desktop/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-275.09.07.run
[19:59] <Aicasn> so do    cd /home/blackberry/Desktop; chmod +x NVIDIA-Linux-x86-275.09.07.run; sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-275.09.07.run
[19:59] <poptisse_> :l what on earth are u
[19:59] <poptisse_> some linux nerd lol
[19:59] <poptisse_> ok two secs
[19:59] <Aicasn> the  ;   mean separate commands.  either type it with the smicolons or do each command separately
[20:00] <Aicasn> cd ...
[20:00] <Aicasn> chmod ...
[20:00] <Aicasn> sudo ...
[20:01] <Wizard> dammit, i shouldn't stay here any longer
[20:01] <Aicasn> are we bothering you?
[20:02] <charlie-tca> !language | Wizard
[20:02] <Wizard> no, i installed gnome3 for test and i really like it
[20:02] <Wizard> charlie-tca: sorry again
[20:02] <charlie-tca> You know those language police ;)
[20:03] <poptisse_> ok
[20:03] <Aicasn> picky picky picky. live in a police state.  chat in a police state.  it never ends....
[20:03] <poptisse_> Thats that installed
[20:03] <poptisse_> now
[20:03] <poptisse_> root@blackberry:/home/blackberry/Desktop
[20:03] <poptisse_> what now lol
[20:03] <Aicasn> so   /usr/sbin/service gdm start
[20:04] <Aicasn> and /usr/sbin/crossfingers
[20:04] <Aicasn> (^^^that was a joke)
[20:05] <poptisse_> ok
[20:05] <poptisse_> Back on the desktop - now do i test to see if its tearing still?
[20:05] <Arpad2> my Network Manager doesn't show DSL connection, can be this error resolved?
[20:05] <Aicasn> move a window
[20:06] <poptisse_> Tears like a mother-plucker still
[20:06] <Aicasn> try the xorg.conf modification again with the new drivers  (backup first. it will have changed)
[20:06] <poptisse_> Strange i found a thread with my exact issues lol and they're alll saying 10.10 works perfectly lol
[20:06] <poptisse_> ok
[20:06] <poptisse_> How do i backup? lol
[20:07] <Aicasn> cd /etc/X11; sudo cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup
[20:07] <Aicasn> again, can be separate commands
[20:08] <poptisse_> Aicasn - u able to pm for a sec i cant pm on the webchat irc client
[20:10] <poptisse_> took me to
[20:10] <poptisse_> blackberry@blackberry:etc/X11$
[20:10] <poptisse_> take it that it backed up
[20:11] <Aicasn> ls -l xorg.conf*
[20:11] <Aicasn> do you see both the original and the backup copy?
[20:12] <poptisse_> yeh
[20:12] <poptisse_> ok now lets do that composite crap again
[20:12] <poptisse_> two secs
[20:12] <Aicasn> m'hmm
[20:13] <poptisse_> Originally Posted by Eromatic   I've seen video tearing while only running under "Ubuntu Classic without Effects" & VDPAU. I had to follow the guide (Disabling the Composite Extension) at:  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Dis...site_Extension  ...as that corrected the issue with my 9500 GT & Video Driver 270.41.06-0ubuntu1. If intending to use Unity or Ubuntu Classic with Effects, you probably will not want to do this though...
[20:13] <poptisse_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1742643&page=2
[20:13] <poptisse_> That is seeming to work now for everyone who has my issue
[20:13] <poptisse_> so
[20:13] <poptisse_> I am going to log out of ubuntu and log into ubuntu classic without effects
[20:13] <poptisse_> and run these commands
[20:14] <poptisse_> I pray to god this works for me
[20:14] <poptisse_> or am gonna die
[20:14] <poptisse_> :l
[20:16] <poptisse_> :o well i managed to do the composite
[20:16] <poptisse_> and restart x
[20:16] <poptisse_> without the whole error i had before
[20:16] <poptisse_> lets test this out
[20:19] <Wizard> studies prove that praying have no influence on probability of success in any case
[20:19] <poptisse_> ok
[20:19] <poptisse_> :l
[20:19] <poptisse_> still screen tearing
[20:19] <poptisse_> BUT!
[20:19] <poptisse_> not as badly as it was before
[20:19] <poptisse_> i still say its broke
[20:19] <poptisse_> lol
[20:19] <poptisse_> 10.10 sounds like a good option ha  ha
[20:21] <poptisse_> Thanks for all the help - like i said fixes it dramatically but still tears...
[20:21] <poptisse_> a bit
[20:21] <poptisse_> I am a perfectionist
[20:26] <Aicasn> i'm happy for you :)  grats
[20:29] <poptisse_> Yeh it tears a little which it should not
[20:29] <poptisse_> but its not as bad as it was
[20:29] <poptisse_> so am happy
[20:29] <poptisse_> If it irritates me too much "it probs will" i can go to 10.10
[20:31] <poptisse_> Everyone seems to complain that ubuntu 11.04 is not stable and is basically an alpha :l
[20:32] <poptisse_> I just wanted to stop using windows 7 as i had no real reason to use it and wanted to try out linux
[20:32] <poptisse_> ok
[20:32] <poptisse_> Wanna help with my next issue ? ha ha "being serious"
[20:33] <Aicasn> please deposit 25c
[20:33] <Wizard> sure
[20:33] <Wizard> i'm from central europe, i'm cheaper ;P
[20:33] <poptisse_> Basically
[20:33] <poptisse_> I have two montiors
[20:33] <poptisse_> my samsung which is infront of me
[20:33] <Wizard> xrandr is your friend
[20:33] <poptisse_> connected via hdmi
[20:33] <poptisse_> and the other vga
[20:34] <poptisse_> the VGA monitor which is mounted seems to be the primary
[20:34] <poptisse_> where i want my samsung to be primary
[20:34] <Wizard> hmm
[20:34] <Wizard> i would recomment installing lxrandr
[20:34] <poptisse_> ok
[20:34] <poptisse_> wait...
[20:35] <poptisse_> i dont want it to tear my screen
[20:35] <poptisse_> i would kill u literally
[20:35] <Wizard> no no, don't worry
[20:35] <Wizard> it's driver independent
[20:35] <Wizard> it operates on different xorg layer :D
[20:35] <poptisse_> better fucking do
[20:36] <poptisse_> sorry it has took me literally 14hrs to fix it lol
[20:36] <Wizard> rotfl :D
[20:36] <Wizard> do you haqve lxrandr installed?
[20:36] <poptisse_> yeh
[20:36] <poptisse_> cant locate it
[20:36] <poptisse_> :l
[20:37] <poptisse_> I have installed it, but not sure what its under or called
[20:37] <Wizard> alt+f2: lxrandr
[20:37] <poptisse_> :l
[20:37] <poptisse_> it displays a monitor of
[20:37] <poptisse_> 3280x1080
[20:38] <poptisse_> which is my two monitors together
[20:38] <poptisse_> and a refresh rate of 50
[20:38] <poptisse_> :l
[20:38] <poptisse_> great
[20:38] <Wizard> :S
[20:38] <Wizard> nvidia?
[20:38] <poptisse_> FFS!
[20:38] <poptisse_> Yes
[20:38] <poptisse_> I have nvidia
[20:38] <Wizard> :(
[20:38] <Wizard> ok, so i have no clues for you
[20:39] <Wizard> there is some nvidia specific tool, nvidia-settings or something like this
[20:39] <poptisse_> :l
[20:39] <poptisse_> brb
[20:39] <Wizard> it allows monitor settings too, but it of course does not understand xrandr
[20:39] <poptisse_> gonna go on my ubuntu machine on irc two secs
[20:39]  * Aicasn cheers @ poptisse_
[20:51] <poptisse> correct channel?
[20:52] <Aicasn> si
[20:52] <poptisse> :D
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Wizard: dealing with Ubuntu, no Xubuntu
[20:53] <Aicasn> someone needs to wrangle #ubuntu.  it's been useless for a while now
[20:53] <poptisse> This is the xubuntu channel tho?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> not really correct for Ubuntu. We don't work with it everyday in this channel, even if you get someone that might be familiar
[20:53] <Aicasn> poptisse:  yeah
[20:53] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu, yes
[20:53] <poptisse> Ubuntu is crap
[20:53] <poptisse> The channel that is
[20:53] <poptisse> It has about 10,000 people connecting to it at once and u cant have decent chat and no one helps or replies
[20:53] <poptisse> Thats why i came here
[20:53] <Wizard> charlie-tca: you mean i should rise any questions about gnome3 and related stuff here? :>
[20:54] <charlie-tca> You can raise/ask any question you want. That doesn't mean you will get much help with it
[20:54] <charlie-tca> poptisse: sorry, thought you were on Ubuntu instead
[20:54] <charlie-tca> my mistake.
[20:54] <Wizard> actually i came here to give answers
[20:55] <charlie-tca> Wizard: He really is using Xubuntu. Would xrander or arander give him what he wants?
[20:55] <Aicasn> poptisse:  i'm not a channel elder by any stretch, but i have no problem with people coming here for help just so long as it isn't ubuntu-specific... if you have xubuntu and need help with video drivers, we can probably help you out
[20:55] <poptisse> So what is the major difference between ubuntu and xubuntu
[20:55] <Wizard> software set
[20:55]  * charlie-tca going to go hide again. Seems like he is full of errors today
[20:55] <charlie-tca> !ubuntu
[20:55] <charlie-tca> !xubuntu
[20:57] <poptisse> Whats xfce?
[20:57] <poptisse> !xfce
[20:57] <poptisse> ?
[20:57] <poptisse> lol
[20:57] <charlie-tca> Xfce is a much lighter desktop environment than Gnome
[20:57] <charlie-tca> in linux, there are three major desktop environments to use, Kde, Gnome, Xfce
[20:58] <Wizard> you've forgot about fvwm ;)
[20:58] <Aicasn> and fluxbox
[20:58] <charlie-tca> no, I did not say window managers
[20:58] <charlie-tca> I said DE
[20:58] <Wizard> so add ede, cde, lxde :D
[20:58] <charlie-tca> Gnome is what Ubuntu is based on
[20:58] <charlie-tca> Major DE?
[20:58] <Wizard> the point is you can compose your desktop of whatever you want
[20:59] <charlie-tca> there are many minor DE's, but three major ones
[20:59] <poptisse> :l I set up my vpn - and i can see it when i go to configure vpn
[20:59] <poptisse> but when i go to
[20:59] <poptisse> vpn connections
[20:59] <poptisse> it does not appear
[20:59] <poptisse> till i restart the pc and shizzle
[20:59] <poptisse> kinda annoying
[21:00] <poptisse> oh ffs!! It fails on ubuntu constantly
[21:01] <poptisse> It always says connection failed - but the details are 100% correct
[21:01] <poptisse> so much so it works on windows and mac os x
[21:01] <poptisse> :l
[21:02] <poptisse> I am using pptp and it wont connect
[21:03] <a001> hello. i updated 10 LTS to 11.4 and now my machine won't boot
[21:03] <a001> it just sits at the grub prompt    sh:grub>     help please
[21:03] <Aicasn> 11.04?
[21:04] <a001> yes sorry. 11.04
[21:04] <Aicasn> i don't know grub well enough to help...maybe someone else?
[21:04] <a001> ok thanks
[21:05] <poptisse> Aicasn
[21:05] <poptisse> Able to help with my vpn issue?
[21:05] <poptisse> I can also see its an issue with ubuntu lol its defiantly not my vpn
[21:05] <Aicasn> i don't do vpns, just basic networking stuff.   check settings, check firewalls, etc.
[21:06] <poptisse> The settings for the vpn are correct
[21:06] <a001> any ideas on the grub problem?  machine is useless until i can get it to boot
[21:06] <poptisse> the firewall no idea lol how to access that
[21:07] <Aicasn> poptisse:  go through menus. try settings.  look for firewall-related stuff
[21:07] <charlie-tca> !grub
[21:07] <charlie-tca> It works if you did not install windows, too
[21:07] <a001> will read. thanks, charlie-tca
[21:11] <poptisse> It seems others are having issues - i wonder why it wont work
[21:11] <poptisse> Especially on linux
[21:13] <poptisse> Found a work-around just dont know how to do it
[21:13] <poptisse> possibly help ai
[21:13] <poptisse> Your the command king
[21:14] <poptisse> :o 2 secs
[21:14] <poptisse> i could do this myself if i try lol
[21:16] <charlie-tca> poptisse: hint for IRC... type the first couple of letters of a name, hit TAB key
[21:16] <charlie-tca> it will complete the name for you
[21:16] <poptisse> oh ok
[21:16] <Wizard> just like in terminal
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Gets our attention better with the full nick
[21:17] <poptisse> :l no could not get that to work
[21:17] <Aicasn> won't work without an acutal irc client.  web chat doesn't count
[21:17] <poptisse> I have noticed people are saying they can connect fine using terminal but the gui wont connect
[21:17] <poptisse> How on earth do i connect to a vpn via terminal
[21:18] <poptisse> I found a tutorial on my vpn's site but i cant make sense of it
[21:18] <poptisse> aicasn pm me and ill copy and paste it
[21:18] <poptisse> wait
[21:18] <poptisse> You can all view it here: http://pastebin.com/c4ZntMXp
[21:19] <Aicasn> poptisse:  i really can't right now. it's almost 4:30 here and I need to get wrapped up for the week.   sorry :/
[21:19] <poptisse> ok
[21:19] <poptisse> Wizzard or charlie could u help me make sense of the tutorial?
[21:23] <charlie-tca> Wizard: ???
[21:24] <charlie-tca> Brand new user to linux and Xubuntu ^  ^  ^
[21:24] <Wizard> charlie-tca: ?
[21:25] <charlie-tca> poptisse needs some help with the vpn tutorial, running it in terminal
[21:25] <poptisse> I need to extract a file on my desktop to /etc/ using terminal
[21:26] <poptisse> stuck at that first
[21:28] <poptisse> I think i have done it lol two secs
[21:28] <poptisse> :D
[21:28] <poptisse> ok worked that out
[21:37] <Wizard> poptisse: thi is your first day on linux?
[21:38] <poptisse> Yes
[21:38] <poptisse> :l
[21:38] <poptisse> I managed to follow the tutorial correctly
[21:38] <poptisse> and i did the
[21:38] <poptisse> pppd call server command like it said
[21:38] <Aicasn> you'll be fine.  most people give up on their first day
[21:38] <poptisse> it does not appear to of done anything
[21:39] <poptisse> No
[21:39] <poptisse> It has not connected or anything
[21:39] <Wizard> yeah, if you survive first week you'll be fine
[21:39] <Wizard> after 2 months it's too late
[21:39] <Wizard> ;P
[21:40] <poptisse> You able to help with this issue?
[21:40] <Wizard> with vpn?
[21:40] <Wizard> no
[21:40] <poptisse> I need to connect to my work VPN - i work from home so its a must
[21:40] <poptisse> The issue is linux not the vpn
[21:40] <poptisse> so its working out how to connect
[21:40] <Wizard> poptisse: my wife had cisco vpn working on xubuntu
[21:40] <poptisse> Nah its not a cisco vpn
[21:41] <Wizard> openvpn?
[21:41] <Wizard> openvpn works ootb
[21:42] <poptisse> openvpn on linux?
[21:43] <poptisse> How do i install that - i tried kvpnc and had issues asking for keys and shit
[21:43] <poptisse> Where i dont have any of that info
[21:43] <poptisse> and did not require it for openvpn on windows
[21:44] <Wizard> lol
[21:44] <Wizard> the only issue with openvpn i had was under windows :d
[21:44] <Wizard> maybe we come from different worlds
[21:44] <poptisse> Ya able to help me install it?
[21:44] <Wizard> do you have configuration file for it?
[21:45] <poptisse> Yeh
[21:45] <Wizard> install this: network-manager-openvpn
[21:46] <poptisse> You'll have to tell me the full command
[21:46] <poptisse> sorry
[21:46] <Wizard> apt-get install network-manager-openvpn
[21:47] <Wizard> this should enable importing ovpn config files from network manager
[21:47] <poptisse> E: Option -openvpn: Configuration item specification must have an =<val>.
[21:47] <Wizard> huh?
[21:48] <betamark> anyone having trouble getting autofit guest to work in vmware workstation after upgrading to 11.04?
[21:48] <betamark> i reinstalled tools, reran the setup script and still no autofit
[21:48] <poptisse> Wizard my bad got it working
[21:48] <Wizard> dunno, i boycott vmware
[21:49] <Wizard> command or vpn?
[21:49] <poptisse> Ok terminal has installed it what next
[21:49] <poptisse> the command i got working
[21:49] <Wizard> click network menu, select vpn, add connection
[21:50] <Wizard> click import, choose file, done
[21:50] <Wizard> if it fails, you can allways use ovpn client from termina;
[21:50] <poptisse> so
[21:50] <poptisse> network connections - vpn - import?
[21:52] <poptisse> ok done that
[21:52] <Wizard> 3:1
[21:53] <poptisse> it says it failed because of no valid vpn secrets?
[21:53] <Wizard> hmm
[21:53] <Wizard> sorry, poptisse, i'm really tired and sleepy :<
[21:53] <poptisse> These are the exact files i have used for openvpn on windows
[21:53] <poptisse> :( lol
[21:54] <Aicasn> signing off. take care guys
[21:54] <Aicasn> have a good weekend :)


[01:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:03] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[04:18] <marcoagpinto> 21.04 is out!
[04:18] <marcoagpinto> now there is only one year until 22.04 LTS :)
[04:19] <marcoagpinto> I can hardly wait for it to be released!
[05:55] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:11] <ducasse> good morning
[18:24] <Maik> waveform: upgraded to 21.04 on the pi from 20.10, went flawless
[18:25] <waveform> Maik, glad to hear :)
[18:36] <Maik> waveform: tomorrow evening i have more time to check my spare pi 4 which had the clean install of the 21.04 RC of which i mentioned the issues. I'll update it first and see if the issues are still there.
[19:37] <[VMGuy23]> I just found the only working chromium-based browser with decent startup speed is Microsoft Edge
[19:37] <[VMGuy23]> its good it works
[19:46] <daftykins> edgy
[20:51] <Walex> [VMGuy23]: "brave" seems to work fairly well too.


[19:56] <tsimonq2> Do we have testcases for RPi images?
[20:04] <flocculant> tsimonq2: don't think so - why would we?
[20:05] <tsimonq2> flocculant: Because Lubuntu wants Pi images :P
[20:05] <flocculant> seems to me Lubuntu wants everything :p
[20:06] <flocculant> anyway, pretty sure we don't - because tracker is official stuff - no official RPi stuff afaik
[20:07] <tsimonq2> Ok
[20:19] <flocculant> tsimonq2: we have 3 we have used for xubuntu core up to artful, haven't put it on tracker this cycle
[20:25] <tsimonq2> ack
[20:34] <flocculant> tsimonq2: tbh - there is so much dead weight on the manual test branch - I'd not worry about a few more :)
[20:43] <tsimonq2> flocculant: Heh ok :)
[23:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: niiiiiiice, gilir accepted ~lubuntu-product-managers into ~ubuntu-testcases