[00:02] <ali1234> to do it i must #define XLIB_ILLEGAL_ACCESS
[00:06] <ali1234> YEAH
[00:06] <ali1234> pepper flash on google chrome: fixed
[02:09] <Azelphur> is it just me or does BT infinity have a lot better penetration than I think it does
[05:19] <knightwise> hey everyone :)
[06:38] <knightwise> hey TheOpenSourcerer
[06:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> meauning
[06:38] <knightwise> hey bootlkhtg
[06:39] <knightwise> how are you doing today $
[07:31] <christel> morning
[07:33] <hoover_> morning all
[07:34] <knightwise> hey hoover_
[07:57] <Monotoko> mornin' all! :)
[07:58] <hoover> mornin Monotoko, knightwise
[07:59] <mattt> morning all
[08:09] <diplo> Morning all
[08:34] <JamesTait> Hello, world! :)
[08:34] <world> Hi JamesTait
[08:35] <JamesTait> daubers: :-P
[08:36] <christel> JamesTait, daubers \o/
[08:37] <JamesTait> christel: \o/
[08:50] <hoover> Has anyone had success connecting to an exchange 2010 server using fetchmail and IMAPS with GSSAPI / kerberos?
[08:50] <hoover> our local support are pulling their collective hair out over this
[09:23] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:28] <hoover> morning brobostigon
[09:28] <brobostigon> morning hoover
[09:55] <mungojerry> my hp touchpad tablet got smashed :(
[09:56] <brobostigon> :(
[09:57] <mungojerry> it's the glass screen, so maybe i can revive it. the lcd is OK
[09:57] <popey> oops
[09:57] <popey> how'd that happen?
[09:57] <mungojerry> http://ubuntuone.com/3JEOUrmks9U1IA04qKGCFU
[09:58] <popey> Oops-ID: OOPS-1569a612c39544928565b52d69b70b81
[09:58] <popey> refresh worked
[09:58] <popey> odd
[09:58] <YaManicKill> that was the same for me, popey
[09:58] <YaManicKill> maybe it hadn't finished uploading when we first looked at it?
[09:58] <YaManicKill> that's not *too* bad a crack...I've seen much worse
[09:58] <mungojerry> wife had an accident, put in on the bed while charging, must have slipped off the bed, then a bowl fell on it
[09:59] <mungojerry> i can read stuff ok
[09:59] <mungojerry> but it makes me sad to use it
[09:59] <YaManicKill> yeah
[10:00] <popey> is it under warranty?
[10:00] <mungojerry> warranty won't fix accidental damage
[10:00] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Digitizer-Touch-Screen-Glass-Front-Panel-Lens-Replacement-for-HP-Touchpad-/310405990459?pt=Other_Tablet_eReader_Accessories&hash=item4845a3883b
[10:00] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:00] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Touch-Screen-Digitizer-Tactil-Ecran-Pantalla-Replacement-Repair-for-HP-TouchPad-/200777086042?pt=UK_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item2ebf3f345a
[10:01] <popey> loads of them
[10:01] <mungojerry> yeah, the first link is what i'm buying
[10:01] <mungojerry> however the process is tricky since it uses adhesive
[10:01] <mungojerry> and getting the shards off is fiddly work
[10:01] <mungojerry> even opeining the case can cause damage (thanks HP)
[10:02] <popey> house insurance?
[10:02] <mungojerry> meh, i'll just fix it
[10:06] <livingdaylight> Just discovered a cool Android app: WeTap: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mdc.wetap Just emailed them to request to make this a global project
[10:07] <mungojerry> hmm my mouse pointer is moving under the menus instead of over them ..weird
[10:12] <davmor2> popey: thanks for the bug on cancel app install
[10:12] <popey> np
[10:14] <daubers> Asterisk question for people, can anyone recommend an ISDN card for both ISDN2e and ISDN30e?
[10:18] <davmor2> daubers: have you had a look on the Asterisk site for hardware recommendations?
[10:18] <daubers> davmor2: Yeah, funnily enough they recommend the digium stuff at $Lots
[10:28] <directhex> My petition for the DWP to sell <IP_ADDRESS>/8 was published. Sign! http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/38744
[10:39] <daubers> directhex: done!
[10:41] <diplo> I need to enable local-infile on my 12.04 machine
[10:41] <diplo> for mysql *
[10:41] <diplo> I've read I need to add local-infile=1 to [mysql] & [mysqld]
[10:42] <diplo> It works sometimes but fails others... anyone got any ideas ?
[10:44] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you about
[10:50] <czajkowski> BigRedS: ello...
[10:51] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hello
[10:51] <czajkowski> herro
[11:07] <awilkins> Is it just me or is it virtually impossible to get gawk to read tab-separated files properly?
[11:08] <awilkins> The manual lies blatantly about --traditional -Ft being the arguments for tabs
[11:08] <awilkins> Doesn't work
[11:09] <Laney> isn't it something like -F $'\t'
[11:09] <Laney> and set OFS if you want to output with tabs too
[11:09] <awilkins> Doesn't work for me... scoured the forums, stackoverflow, etc
[11:10] <awilkins> Don't know if it's a peculiarity of gawk vs mawk (the default awk for Ubuntu)
[11:10]  * awilkins considers it might be join at fault
[11:10] <awilkins> Hmm, may be user error
[11:11] <awilkins> Aha
[11:11] <awilkins> Am joining files
[11:11] <awilkins> Join is not outputting tabs unless you tell it to. I am dufus.
[11:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: Duly signed too.
[11:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> If anyone needs some moar amo for their boss to consider FOSS: http://www.amadeus.com/blog/17/09/open-for-business/ well written white paper by Amadeus.
[11:31] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: I don't believe you he died ages ago I've seen the film ;)
[11:43]  * pinky- sings Amadeus Amadeus, oh oh oh Amadeus Come and rock me Amadeus
[11:44] <popey> directhex, you should petition xerox to give up their <IP_ADDRESS>/8 too :) (good luck with that)
[11:45] <directhex> popey, xerox don't answer to me. the government does :p
[11:46] <popey> heh
[11:46] <popey> their 13. addresses are hard wired all over the place
[11:46] <popey> wouldn't be surprised if DWP did same
[11:46] <davmor2> directhex: you should stop partitioning for legacy ip infrastructure and start partitioning for everyone to move to ipv6 though surely :D
[11:47] <davmor2> petitioning even
[11:47] <davmor2> I was close it sounded right in my head anyway
[11:47] <AlanBell> but DWP should take the cash
[11:48] <directhex> davmor2, i'm a realist
[11:48] <directhex> AlanBell, exactly
[11:49] <directhex> davmor2, the government has a "useless" asset, why not sell it?
[11:49] <davmor2> directhex: Hence the :D
[11:49] <directhex> popey, i had a NAS box once hardcoded to <IP_ADDRESS> by default @_@
[11:50] <popey> as pointed out in another irc channel, maybe they should wait 5 years, do the migration in that time, and sell when they could get 5bn for it
[11:52] <directhex> popey, they should at least acknowledge the asset
[11:53] <directhex> popey, if not sell it now. i.e. say "yes, we have this, yes we know it has value, we dispute how easy it'd be to change to <IP_ADDRESS>/8"
[11:55] <popey> ooh, hp have 15 and 16
[11:56] <davmor2> popey: don't mit or something like that have a couple too
[11:56] <popey> yeah
[11:56] <directhex> i'm sure HP need 32 million IPs
[11:58] <daubers> or we could transfer all public facing IP's to ipv6 already!
[11:58] <popey> i expect scandanavian countries to do that before we do
[11:59] <daubers> if I was BT I would have said FTTC only works with ipv6
[11:59] <davmor2> you would think that big UNIs would have enough geeks to update to ipv6 if they haven't already and sell the ipv4 address space on
[12:00] <shauno> I'd be very surprised to see anyone ditch their v4 allocations in the process
[12:00] <directhex> daubers, major ISPs won't start IPv6 migration for more than a decade. double-NAT will be the norm to deal with ISP-level exhaustion
[12:00] <daubers> hooray latency
[12:01] <daubers> I've been mightly tempted to jump ISP's recently to avoid double-NAT
[12:08] <xnox> directhex: yes HP needs 32 million IPs, they have just launched public cloud computing offering using those IPs.
[12:09] <directhex> xnox, better use case than DWP's 16 million..,
[12:09] <xnox> directhex: well, they were not doing anything with them up until a 1-2 years ago. They didn't have public cloud perspectives then.
[12:12] <xnox> directhex: africa should sell it's IPv4 and become rich.... then they will need more IPv4s and they will buy them back twice the price. dejavu?!
[12:12] <xnox> =(
[12:13] <xnox> I think fostering IPv4 market is a bad idea
[12:13] <xnox> IPs should not cost anything.
[12:14] <directhex> xnox, i want ipv4 to become prohibitively expensive. it's the only thing that will drive v6 migration
[12:14] <directhex> note: i want this to happen after i get a couple if private /25's or /26's for work
[12:14] <directhex> :p
[12:14]  * xnox giggles
[12:14] <AlanBell> the bad situation would be if IPv4 is for "servers" and ipv6 is for "consumers"
[12:14] <directhex> AlanBell, the reverse will happen first
[12:15] <AlanBell> well putting servers on IPV6 means that not everyone can get to them
[12:16] <directhex> bridge all the things!
[12:16] <AlanBell> an ISP could turn on IPV6 for consumer connections (no idea why phones don't do this already)
[12:17] <directhex> AlanBell, i think big ISPs lack v6-capable core routers
[12:18] <directhex> AlanBell, i.e. no HW acceleration o v6, so couldn't cope with current load if s/v4/v6/
[12:20] <daubers> AlanBell: some ISP's are already IPv6-ing all the things
[12:45] <ali1234> if i have a static IPv4, can't I use 6to4 or something?
[12:50] <davmor2> ali1234: that's just tunneling you can do that now without the need for a static ipv4
[12:50] <ali1234> "This memo specifies an optional interim mechanism for IPv6 sites to    communicate with each other over the IPv4 network without explicit    tunnel setup"
[12:51] <davmor2> ali1234: oh interesting
[13:07] <livingdaylight> Microsoft trumped Amazon, eBay and other tech giants with its more than $1 billion purchase of the majority of AOL Inc's patent trove. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/09/us-aol-microsoft-idUSBRE83809X20120409
[13:15] <popey> livingdaylight, april...
[13:17] <davmor2> popey: is it not US dating so 04 september
[13:18] <livingdaylight> popey: either, way, its bad news. They're back to their old bullying ways
[13:18] <popey> Mon Apr 9, 2012 4:43pm EDT
[13:19] <popey> from the article :)
[13:20] <livingdaylight> yea, I@m slow catching up on the news, I guess :)
[13:21] <ali1234> so what patents did they get?
[13:21] <davmor2> popey: ah /me goes back to sleep
[13:21] <ali1234> year first is almost always y/m/d btw
[13:26] <davmor2> ali1234: Yeah but Americans hate standards the rest of the world use ;)
[13:27] <ali1234> the american standard is m/d/y though
[13:27] <ali1234> not y/d/m
[13:28] <davmor2> ali1234: but the rest of the world use d/m/y that was kinda my point :D
[13:28] <ali1234> not really
[13:28] <ali1234> the only internationally recognized standard is y/m/d
[13:28] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601
[13:29] <davmor2> ali1234: it was a joke chill out
[13:30] <mungojerry> all we know is that days are never in the middle
[13:30] <mungojerry> in sensible countries
[13:34] <shauno> you can't just pick on the yanks, belize use m/d/y too
[13:41] <davmor2> shauno: you can't belize everything you read, sorry could resist
[14:21] <hoover> cheers all
[15:40] <ali1234> any idea where i might get "uclibc-crosstools-gcc-4.2.3-3_LFS.tar.bz2"
[15:40]  * AlanBell wonders whether to take the tube or a boris bike
[15:46] <czajkowski> AlanBell: from where to where
[15:47] <einonm> ali1234: I assume google doesn't provide?
[15:47] <ali1234> no
[15:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> ali1234: CLFS?
[15:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> That sounds lile a Cross-Linux From Scratch Project
[15:47] <einonm> you can build your own version using crosstool-ng
[15:47] <ali1234> own version isn't good enough
[15:47] <ali1234> i need the exact version
[15:48] <einonm> crosstool-ng should be able to build an exact version of what you want, surely?
[15:49] <ali1234> how will i know if it is the same or not, if i don't have the original?
[15:53] <einonm> As far as the toolchain name will tell you - configure it for uclibc, gcc-4.2.3-3, and the target.  Why do you need an exact version?
[15:55] <einonm> ...or, after a quick google, you could try irc.linuxfromscratch.org #cross-lfs ?
[15:56] <AlanBell> czajkowski: canary wharf to waterloo
[15:56] <czajkowski> tube
[15:56] <czajkowski> jubilee straight in
[15:56] <AlanBell> sure, but bike is more interesting
[15:57] <Laney> yeah, bike it
[15:57] <Laney> cyclestreets.net
[15:58] <ali1234> einonm: i need the exact version because i need to build a module for a kernel binary
[15:59] <einonm> Ah, and this is a kernel binary that you didn't build yourself? If it's just a module, can you not build it natively?
[15:59] <ali1234> not without a toolchain
[16:00] <ali1234> and since it's an in-kernel module I have to rebuild the whole kernel
[16:00] <ali1234> the resulting kernel binary needs to be binary identical though, so that i don't have to reflash
[16:01] <einonm> ERm, isn't that impossible? An 'in kernel module' is no longer a module. And any resulting binary won't be identical, by definition
[16:01] <ali1234> in-tree
[16:05] <einonm> ali1234: I'm thinking this isn't the correct channel for your questions. Are you trying to hack something, which is why you can't re-flash?
[16:05] <ali1234> always
[16:05] <einonm> protected bootloader?
[16:05] <ali1234> no
[16:05] <ali1234> not that it matters
[16:07] <einonm> It would matter for my next suggestion - go to the LFS website and build from scratch. It'll be easier to create your own toolchain and kernel to get the job done
[16:07] <ali1234> you nuts?
[16:07] <ali1234> i have the full GPL source release
[16:07] <ali1234> it comes with a full build system
[16:07] <ali1234> all you have to do is type "make image"
[16:07] <ali1234> after supplying the necessary toolchain
[16:08] <einonm> great. Just use toolchain-ng to get a toolchain built then.
[16:08] <einonm> (toolchain-ng.org)
[16:08] <ali1234> not to mention that if i do that i'll need to reflash the kernel and root filesystem with the new ones i just built, which is incredibly annoying
[16:09] <ali1234> building the toolchain is out of the question because i don't have the source of it either
[16:09] <einonm> If you can access the bootloader, you should be able to run from an nfs or disk mounted kernel & root
[16:09] <ali1234> why?
[16:09] <ali1234> why woudld that be a good idea?
[16:10] <einonm> crosstool-ng gives you the toolchain souce
[16:10] <ali1234> no it doesn't
[16:10] <einonm> it's a good idea, as it's less annoying
[16:15] <einonm> ali1234: Ok, I'm done here. Maybe you want to read the docs at crosstool-ng.org to perhaps see where you're getting muddled there
[16:16] <ali1234> i think you are the one getting muddled. i don't see how i can compile a toolchain without the source of it!
[16:16] <ali1234> there is absolutely no guarantee that the referenced toolchain download does not contain custom patches added by the vendor
[16:17] <ali1234> as a result there is no way i can ever know if the resulting toolchain is actually the same or not
[16:17] <ali1234> this is unacceptable
[16:17] <einonm> You build everything using the same toolchain, so you don't need to compare it with your unknown binary toolchain
[16:18] <ali1234> not possible
[16:18] <ali1234> the kernel requires proprietary binaries
[16:18] <ali1234> they will only work with the exact kernel revision, compiled by the exact toolchain version, and nothing else
[16:18] <einonm> sorry, I don't offer support for proprietary code.
[16:19] <ali1234> so basically you've just been wasting my time for the past half an hour?
[16:19] <ali1234> it's a good thing i actually know what i'm doing :)
[16:20] <ali1234> you'll note i never asked how to build my own toolchain, or rebuild the vendor kernel
[16:31] <einonm> My mistake, you didn't mention proprietary binaries at the beginning, and I assumed by 'full GPL source release' you had the full source. Best of luck in your search.
[16:48] <czajkowski> ali1234: people have only been trying to help you today, there is no need to be so short with them
[16:55]  * popey spies mgdm mentioned in http headers
[16:55] <popey> $ curl -I http://local.stv.tv/edinburgh/190640-scottish-defence-league-told-they-cannot-hold-rally-in-edinburgh/ | grep Team
[16:55] <popey> X-Team-BE: @weejames, @mgdm, @skippychalmers, @calummackenzie, @automatical
[16:55] <popey> :)
[16:56] <popey> I will take the opportunity to rant at mgdm for the demented auto-starting video in the corner of the pages on stv.tv
[16:57] <mgdm> Oh, not again
[16:58] <mgdm> popey: heh, you're the first person to notice that :-) Though I do wonder why!
[16:59] <popey> :D
[16:59] <popey> friend of mine wondered why when he pastes an stv url to a story, like the one above, the bot in the irc channel always gets the wrong headline
[17:00] <popey> so i used curl -I to look at the headers and saw that
[17:00] <popey> made me chuckle
[17:01] <mgdm> :D
[17:01] <mgdm> that is a bit weird, though
[17:01] <taras> :o
[17:02] <mgdm> I suspect the bot is maybe latching on to a random

[17:02] <taras> it was me asking why the bot was returning the wrong title
[17:02] <mgdm> the HTML uses
 entries for the lists, which then each have their own

[17:02] <mgdm> o/ taras
[17:03] <taras> also wondering why it autoplays a video *every time I want to read a news story*, but that's another matter :)
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> because you haven't uninstalled flash? ;)
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> or set it to "click to play"
[17:03] <mgdm> it woudl actually not matter if you did
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: it's <video> ?
[17:04] <brobostigon> whats the keyboard shortcut to bring back gnome-terminal's menu bar.?
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> F10?
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> Alt+F10?
[17:05] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :) thank you, worked.
[17:05] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: it detects one or t'other
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> can't you make <video> click to play as well?
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> using some kind of extension
[19:14] <b1ackcr0w> arrrggg! late!  Buy a tube, and take it home for FREE!
[19:17] <davmor2> b1ackcr0w: you know this is a family channel right
[19:18] <b1ackcr0w> I'm so sorry. I thought I was in the Linux Outlaws channel
[19:18] <b1ackcr0w> major ooooops
[19:20] <b1ackcr0w> FWIW - I did get a colleague to install 12.04 on all his home machines this week...
[19:21] <popey> :)
[19:23]  * zleap is now on 12.04
[19:23] <zleap> well lubuntu but being able to create a new doc from right click is great
[19:58] <zleap> is there a way to make top not refresh so fast so i can actually follow the line across to see which pid to kill
[20:00] <zleap> ok man top reveals top -d
[20:00] <zleap> can then specify pid
[20:00] <zleap> within the k option once running
[20:15] <AlanBell> directhex: http://blog.jgc.org/2012/09/the-uk-has-entire-unused-ipv4-8-that-is.html new comments (including one calling you a cretin!)
[20:16] <Azelphur> ali1234 / popey latest news from pirate http://pastebin.com/DVNsx7xz if your interested xD
[20:16] <Azelphur> that stuff at the bottom seems real dodgy
[20:16] <BigRedS> Gotta say I agree with the idea of waiting until there's an actual market for it
[20:17] <popey> ho ho ho
[20:19] <AlanBell> BigRedS: well there will be a window of opportunity for selling IPv4 space I guess
[20:20] <AlanBell> at some point in the future it will be worthless as everyone will be on IPv6 (even if that is 20+ years it will one day happen)
[20:20] <ali1234> Azelphur: please, he's obviously stalling, just like the whole thing was obviously dodgy months ago
[20:22] <Azelphur> hehe, perhaps
[20:23] <ali1234> and on the IP address note, i fail to see why deploying a firewall is a bad thing?
[20:23] <ali1234> just because you can't ping an address doesn't mean it is not in use
[20:23] <ali1234> if you could reach those machines you'd all be crying about how government IT is terrible and can't do security properly
[20:25] <AlanBell> there was a question about whether any of them were in use, it would appear that they are, which is fine
[20:25] <AlanBell> bet they are not using all of the class A though
[20:25] <ali1234> no, almost certainly not
[20:26] <AlanBell> they could presumably just sell class B blocks
[20:26] <AlanBell> bit like the wireless spectrum auctions
[20:28] <ali1234> it does look rather like the whole block is unroutable
[20:29] <AlanBell> what do you mean by that?
[20:30] <ali1234> well, try a traceroute
[20:30] <ali1234> it will only go a couple of hops
[20:30] <ali1234> that means that it's not simply firewalled
[20:30] <ali1234> your ISP literally doesn't know where to send packets for those addresses
[20:30] <ali1234> which means the machines are likely not connected to the internet at all
[20:31] <ali1234> or if they are, they are behind nat
[20:32] <AlanBell> I see
[20:33] <ali1234> i notice the MOD has one as well
[20:33] <AlanBell> so, they can see out via nat, as if they were on <IP_ADDRESS>/8 but their nat router is somewhere outside of 51
[20:33] <ali1234> i'm sure hey could just share it
[20:34] <AlanBell> if they did nothing and sold the whole thing then they wouldn't be able to see sites using the new addresses (probably)
[20:34] <AlanBell> actually they use multiple levels of nasty proxys so it might well be workable
[20:34] <ali1234> continuing to use the addresses and also selling them is not workable
[20:35] <ali1234> unless they are only used on machines which are not connected to the internet at all
[20:35] <AlanBell> it is a bad idea, but it is workable
[20:35] <ali1234> in whch case they can use whatever IPs they want on those
[20:35] <ali1234> no, it isn't workable
[20:35] <AlanBell> I had a customer that picked a random address range for their internal machines, they had no idea that 10 and 192.168 were special
[20:36] <ali1234> it might work, in some circumstances, but it is not workable, because it will fail in unpredictable and unexpected ways in others
[20:36] <AlanBell> but they used a proxy server and the proxy server was configured to cope with it
[20:36] <AlanBell> so they could see sites using their internal addresses and the proxy would look outwards for the site
[20:37] <AlanBell> but yeah, that is daft and wrong
[20:37] <popey> http://blog.modernmechanix.com/gain-weight-stop-being-skinny-and-tired/  saw that and thought of mungojerry
[20:40] <AlanBell> heh, nice. None of the images on it are particularly plump though
[20:44] <ali1234> hmm actually
[20:44] <ali1234> they aren't unroutable
[20:45] <ali1234> just that nothing after the firewall returns traces
[20:46] <ali1234> so it's plausible that they are all in use in a way that would make it very difficult indeed to change
[20:51] <Azelphur> Is 802.11n faster than USB2?
[20:51] <Azelphur> (ie, should I get a USB 3 adapter)
[20:52] <Azelphur> seems like usb 2 is 480mbits, so I'm guessing not :P
[20:53] <Seeker`> 'USB3 adapter'?
[20:53] <Azelphur> Seeker`: wifi usb adapters, was thinking if usb 2 would bottleneck 802.11n
[20:53] <Seeker`> ah
[20:54] <Seeker`> have seen routers claiming ridiculous speeds for wireless n
[20:54] <Azelphur> more than 480? o.O
[20:54] <Seeker`> never managed to reach those speeds over a PCI card :P
[20:54] <Azelphur> ah apparently 802.11n caps out at 600mbits
[20:54] <Seeker`> yup
[20:55] <Azelphur> fun
[20:57] <AlanBell> not going to happen
[20:57] <YaManicKill> ac supports >1Gb
[20:57] <YaManicKill> but if we are talking about bottlenecking...
[20:58] <YaManicKill> I saw a gigabit ethernet usb 2.0 adapter
[20:58] <YaManicKill> kinda pointless :-P
[21:53]  * bittin is gonna book a december trip to the UK
[21:53] <Laney> awesome
[21:54] <Laney> don't just stay in London though!
[21:54] <bittin> Laney, hmm okay :p
[21:54] <bittin> only going for 4days to London, might go longer in 2012 :p
[21:54] <Laney> boo
[21:54] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[21:54] <Laney> there's so much more than london
[21:54] <bittin> when my friend moved there and i have somewhere to stay
[21:55] <bittin> Laney, yeah might explore that later
[21:59] <bittin> will go longer in 2013 and might even move there
[21:59]  * bigcalm looks about the mad house
[21:59] <bigcalm> Whose going to the happy hour this weekend in Farnham?
[22:00] <pinky-> I prefer Alton
[22:01] <bigcalm> I'm practising my drinking right now
[22:01] <AlanBell> Alton is good too
[22:01] <pinky-> as went to school at Eggars once apon a time
[22:01] <bittin> damn i get money tommorow, this month for some reason
[22:01] <Laney> mmm money
[22:04] <pinky-> the mother of my two sons, her first name was Jackie, used to be a landlady of a pub in Alton, but I forget the name of the pub
[22:05] <pinky-> I'll ask tomorrow
[22:07] <popey> http://www.gizchina.com/2012/09/17/5-things-we-know-about-the-oppo-find-5/
[22:07] <popey> i want that running ubuntu
[22:08] <YaManicKill> ubuntu phone? or ubuntu for android?
[22:08] <popey> personally, I'd rather have an Ubuntu Phone, but U4A if you're buying :)
[22:08] <YaManicKill> heh
[22:08] <bittin> ah need to pay via credit card on Norwegian so i have to wait until tommorow
[22:08] <YaManicKill> I actually really like the idea of U4A
[22:09] <popey> you are not alone
[22:09] <YaManicKill> especially when you start thinking about the padfone
[22:09] <AlanBell> the manufacturers should like it too, not sure why it has been so quiet
[22:09] <YaManicKill> padfone with tablet dock + laptop dock + desktop dock + U4A ... with tegra 3 processor, and 4G...
[22:10] <YaManicKill> for people that don't game, and don't do video/photo editing on a large scale...it'd be all they would need
[22:10] <AlanBell> more people play games on phones than on computers
[22:10] <AlanBell> probably
[22:10] <YaManicKill> ha
[22:11] <YaManicKill> oh, I just pressed "j" on google reader...and look what appeared
[22:11] <YaManicKill> http://androidcommunity.com/asus-padfone-2-benchmark-leaks-with-quad-core-in-tow-20120917/
[22:11] <popey> i have a wii and xbox360 and pc, and i play games on iphone and ipad _daily_
[22:11] <YaManicKill> that was quite handy ;-)
[22:11] <popey> I suspect I am not alone in this
[22:14] <YaManicKill> yeah
[22:14] <YaManicKill> I don't game on my computer much anymore tbh...
[22:14] <YaManicKill> I'm not massively bothered about higher and higher resolutions
[22:17] <bigcalm> Hayley has become hooked on solitaire on my iPad. I think I've lost this one, better start looking for a new lady
[22:20] <ahayzen> Evening guys.....got Uni internet working :).... i remember an option to stop disks spinning down does tht still exist somewhere on Ubuntu? Thanks Andy
[22:20] <pinky-> I like Alton because there's a lot of parsley there
[22:20] <AlanBell> ahayzen: yes, hdparm options can do that
[22:21] <ahayzen> thought it was in default...did it get removed in GNOME settings reshuffle?
[22:21] <AlanBell> sudo hdparm -S 2 /dev/sda might do it
[22:22] <AlanBell> nothing to do with gnome
[22:22] <ahayzen> ...the reason i want to stop spin down is i've got a Hybrid drive SSD+HDD so stopping spin down will stop the HDD from spinning down ..correct?
[22:22] <AlanBell> oh, you want it to stop spinning down
[22:22] <ahayzen> yh
[22:22] <AlanBell> err in that case a bigger number :)
[22:23] <AlanBell> 2 is 10 seconds I think
[22:23] <AlanBell> personally with that drive I would let it sort itself out
[22:23] <ahayzen> basically when u leave the lappy or a bit it spins down the HDD...but adds more wear when it has to spin up i would rather use more power...what do you think?
[22:24] <ahayzen> *for a bit
[22:24] <AlanBell> I would let it just get on with things
[22:24] <ahayzen> ok think i'll leave it as it is for now then :)
[22:25] <ahayzen> it is the System76 panp9 best laptop ever so far :)....none of tht rubbish u get on windows laptops ;)
[22:26] <ahayzen> AlanBell, anyway, Thanks for your prompt and useful response as usual :)
[22:27] <AlanBell> so did you import it?
[22:27] <ahayzen> yep
[22:27] <AlanBell> no £ on shift 3 then?
[22:27] <ahayzen> like ~$100 delivery charge.... then + 20%tax
[22:27] <ahayzen> well they have a UK keyboard option now :)
[22:28] <AlanBell> interesting
[22:28] <ahayzen> just gave the UPS man a cheque to pay for the tax
[22:29] <bigcalm> Sleeeeeeeeep
[22:29] <ahayzen> AlanBell, 'International UK Keyboard Layout - Including Pound, Euro, and Alt GR keys ( + $33.00 )'
[22:29] <AlanBell> so it is
[22:29] <ahayzen> and the ship u the US keyboard in the box which is a nice touch as u have paid for it effectively
[22:30] <AlanBell> very nice
[22:30] <ahayzen> *they ship....getting used to new keyboard lol
[22:30] <bittin> 2-5th Dec, bittin goes to UK and prolly going there sometime Feb/March 2013 aswell


[00:00] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** graysonguarino drafted [pull request #80](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/80): Add crash reporter... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/819b4d1897c42fd28c9c500ce536d28eb7add2a9)
[08:27] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2510](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2510): Wl pointer behavior tweaks
[08:50] <Saviq> > **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2525](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2525): Fix CommandLine strings option
[08:50] <Saviq> Hey alan_g, could this have caused ubuntu-frame to stop working? I'm seeing consistent failures in the lab
[08:50] <Saviq> Looking deeper now, but just asking in case
[08:54] <alan_g[m]> Saviq: Hey alan_g, could this have caused ubuntu-frame to stop working? I'm seeing consistent failures in the lab
[08:54] <alan_g[m]> I don't see how: Frame would need changing to use this code
[08:54] <Saviq> OK then, will report back when I know more
[08:55] <alan_g[m]> But we merged a bunch of other stuff yesterday that may also have been picked up
[08:55] <alan_g[m]> OK, let me know what the failure mode is. (We also promoted mesa-core20)
[08:56] <Saviq> https://github.com/MirServer/mir/commit/c09a562d26 was the first broken rev
[08:56] <Saviq> Looking into other snaps now
[08:57] <alan_g[m]> Here's the problem:
[08:57] <alan_g[m]> stage-packages:
[08:57] <alan_g[m]>       - libmiral4
[08:57] <Saviq> Sounds like it
[09:00] <alan_g[m]> Maybe we need a new meta-package so this doesn't happen again
[09:00]  * Saviq cancels all the running jobs
[09:16] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** Saviq opened [pull request #81](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/81): snap: bump miral version
[09:16] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** Saviq requested a review from AlanGriffiths for [pull request #81](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/81): snap: bump miral version
[09:16] <Saviq> alan_g for now: https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/81
[09:22] <Saviq> Should we be thinking about a 2.9 release then? Anything pending that should get in still?
[09:23] <alan_g[m]> Well, Sophie has a bunch of "cleanup" in flight to exploit the ABI break. And maybe some of Chris's platform rework can get in.
[09:23] <alan_g[m]> Any urgency for a release?
[09:30] <Saviq> Release early, release often, is all. And would be good to put the remote access out, but that should probably also wait for input, and polishing of the vnc snap
[09:30] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** bors[bot] closed [pull request #81](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/81): [Merged by Bors] - snap: bump miral version
[09:30] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** bors[bot] edited [pull request #81](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/81): [Merged by Bors] - snap: bump miral version
[09:43] <alan_g[m]> Huh!? Firefox seems to have lost/reset my profile. BBIAB
[13:09] <alan_g[m]> Saviq you up for checking the symbols and sonaming? https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2475
[13:12] <Saviq> Can do
[14:55] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2526](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2526): Add surface_ready() shell/wm method
[15:27] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [pull request #2506](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2506): Add SurfaceReadyRegistrar to replace SurfaceReadyObserver
[15:46] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww closed [pull request #2495](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2495): Attempt to refactor geometry types without breaking MirAL ABI
[16:01] <Saviq> Clocking out for today o/
[16:15] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2475](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2475): Simplify geometry types
[16:45] <sophie-w> Saviq: for two of my PRs I recently updated, CI seems to be stuck in "Waiting for a runner to pick up this job... "
[16:45] <sophie-w> https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2504 and https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2517
[16:50] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww edited [pull request #2371](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2371): Modernize surface observer
[16:51] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww closed [pull request #2371](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2371): Modernize surface observer
[16:51] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww reopened [pull request #2371](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2371): Modernize surface observer
 "Saviq: for two of my PRs I..." <- All seems to be good now (also sorry, didn't see you'd already checked out today)
[18:31] <Saviq> No worries, it's not for you to know when I've checked out ;)
[18:32] <Saviq> The runners are GitHub's, so whenever that happens, it's either they ran out of capacity or have other problems
[18:36] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2527](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2527): Build failure on Launchpad for arm64 at 22.10... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/751684ab51077966024db860898627bf3c621a43)
[18:38] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2527](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2527): Build failure on Launchpad for arm64 at 22.10


[00:06] <Riddell> ooki2day_: you can download individual packages from launchpad.net, that's not usually what you want
[00:08] <ooki2day_> Riddel: but i want to add ppa for natty at kpackagekit)
[00:10] <ooki2day_> maybe it's will available when natty will not beta?)))
[00:13] <ooki2day_> so, I was install gnash and now I can't wach video(((
[00:18] <Hamra> gnash isnt that well-developed yet
[00:20] <Hamra> been there before, on paper, it sounds like a delightful solution, the end to all flash hassle. i do applaud their efforts, but alas, gnash is no where near ready to be THEE flash player on linux
[00:23] <ooki2day_> what is "THEE""? can't traslate)))
[00:24] <Hamra> a big "the" :P
[00:24] <ooki2day_> hehe)
[00:45] <S74rk7> hey everyone
[00:45] <S74rk7> anyone know what this means?
[00:45] <S74rk7> "Configuration file "/tmp/0997553718/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc" not writable. Please Contact your system administrator.
[00:46] <Hamra> did you run any GUI program with sudo?
[00:46] <ooki2day_> make sudo
[00:46] <Hamra> and which program is making this sentence?
[00:47] <S74rk7> I get it at bootup
[00:47] <tertl3> hello
[00:47] <S74rk7> before I even get the login screen I think
[00:48] <S74rk7> brb
[00:56] <S74rk7> I'm back sorry about that
[00:59] <Hamra> open a terminal, and run this: ls -la /tmp/0997553718/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc
[00:59] <Hamra> and tell me what it says
[01:01] <S74rk7> ls: cannot access /tmp/0997553718/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc: No such file or directory
[01:01] <S74rk7> thats what I got back - sudo?
[01:02] <S74rk7> it says its a configuration file just
[01:02] <S74rk7> whats that meant to do... show whats accessing it or something?
[01:03] <Hamra> ls -la /tmp/0997553718
[01:03] <Hamra> try this ^^^
[01:05] <S74rk7> same thing
[01:05] <S74rk7> no such file or directory
[01:05] <S74rk7> hold on I'm gonna try browse to it
[01:05] <Ktanner> What's the problem?
[01:06] <Hamra> Ktanner, he has a boot message about a non-existing file in a non-existing directory, being unwritable, it seems :S
[01:06] <S74rk7> "Configuration file "/tmp/0997553718/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc" not writable. Please Contact your system administrator.
[01:07] <Hamra> uhm... hold on... is /tmp itself writable?
[01:07] <katsrc> is there way to apply folder settings to Dolphin globally to affect all folders?
[01:07] <Hamra> or even readable for the matter
[01:07] <S74rk7> how do you get ubottu or whatever to show the paste address... you know for images etc?
[01:07] <S74rk7> !paste
[01:07] <S74rk7> oh got it :)
[01:07] <S74rk7> nevermind
[01:08] <Ktanner> is it .ic_freeze or something along the lines of that? KDE wouldnt let me log in once because some file that didn't exist/the directory didn't exist and it couldn't recreate it. I used a console (ctr+alt+F8) and recreated a blank file of the name that it said, then it was able to log in again :)
[01:08] <Ktanner> It used to happen to me alot for some reason
[01:09] <Hamra> katsrc: in dolphin, view, view properties, change setting, choose "all folders", apply
[01:09] <Ktanner> Anyone here know anything about the ath5k driver and possibly Netgear routers?
[01:09] <katsrc> Hamra: thanks
[01:11] <Walzmy_> does upgrading to the next version do anything other than change sources.list to the next set of repos?
[01:15] <Hamra> Walzmy_: change the sources, which in turns forces the upgrading of all pakcages to the new repos
[01:16] <Walzmy_> Hamra: right. I was just wondering if it did anything else behind the scenes to make everything smooth
[01:17] <Hamra> nope, that's about all of it :)
[01:17]  * Walzmy_ nods
[01:18] <Walzmy_> I'm thinking I'm going to upgrade to 10.11 this evening to get ready for 11.04 later on
[01:19] <S74rk7> whens the next stable version released again?
[01:19] <Walzmy_> 28th
[01:20] <Walzmy_> S74rk7:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[01:22] <S74rk7> thanking you
[01:29] <Ktanner> Can some of you take a look at this? http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3116253.0 Thanks in advance if ya do
[01:35] <Walzmy_> Ktanner: I don't have netgear but I can't use wireless either
[01:36] <Walzmy_> Ktanner: it worked previous to 10.04, but not after I upgraded to 10.04
[01:39] <Ktanner> Ktanner: Exactly! Mine worked around that time too. Linux Mint 8 KDE worked/works perfectly with wifi, but anything newer based on ubuntu fails. It attempts too connect, then just gives up. No errors
[01:40] <Walzmy_> I was planing on upgrading to 10.11 this evening and to 11.04 next month, hoping that would fix it
[01:41] <Walzmy_> newer kernel and all
[01:41] <navatwo> Hmm, so for some reason, I cannot log into my KDE session... It states my login is wrong. I changed the password using `passwd` from a tty, and it still won't log in. Any ideas?
[01:42] <Ktanner> navatwo: Does the splash screen just freeze up for no reason?
[01:42] <navatwo> no
[01:42] <navatwo> It says `login error`
[01:42] <Ktanner> walzmy_: I'll try upgrading too. But so far no upgrade has helped me =/
[01:42] <navatwo> login failed*
[01:43] <Walzmy_> Ktanner: which version are you on now?
[01:43] <Ktanner> navatwo: try logging into the root account. If you haven't yet, give Root a password via a tty using the passwd command, e.g.: "sudo passwd root"
[01:44] <Walzmy_> navatwo: can you login via command and then startx?
[01:44] <Ktanner> Walzmy_: I just installed Kubuntu 10.04 LTS today. I've used it before, and the latest Kubuntu 10.10. I don't use 10.10 though as I get X Configuration errors with KDE 4.5.4 and 4.6+
[01:44] <navatwo> Ktanner: I set my new password via a root account
[01:44] <navatwo> Walzmy_: I will try
[01:45] <navatwo> Walzmy_: I stopped KDE and restarted x
[01:46] <navatwo> I have a black screen though..... with a mouse
[01:46] <navatwo> no panel or anything
[01:47] <Ktanner> navatwo: Sounds like kdm didn't restart. Goto a tty, login as root, then type sudo kdm
[01:48] <navatwo> Ktanner: nothing.
[01:48] <navatwo> and I can not connect to the internet on this desktop right now
[01:48] <navatwo> no network card >.<
[01:49] <Ktanner> I've heard something about a command called "kde_start" or "kde-start" but I'm not sure
[01:51] <navatwo> Ktanner: kdeinit
[01:51] <navatwo> it doesnt do anything
[01:52] <Ktanner> navatwo: what version of KDE and Kubuntu is it?
[01:56] <navatwo> 10.10 and most recent kde Ktanner
[01:57] <Ktanner>  Were you able to log in before? Or is this a fresh install?
[01:57] <navatwo> yes, no
[01:58] <Ktanner> Did you install any packages or update before this happened?
[01:59] <navatwo> wtf
[01:59] <navatwo> I just re changed the password and it worked.. to log me in at least
[01:59] <Ktanner> lol
[01:59] <navatwo> now the k session isn't loadming..
[02:00] <navatwo> Its hanging on the splash screen
[02:00] <navatwo> GRRR
[02:00] <navatwo> I NEED TO USE THIS COMPUTER :(
[02:00] <tertl3> navatwo: why not use?
[02:00] <tertl3> 10.04?
[02:00] <navatwo> tertl3: I can't really change that at the moment..
[02:00] <navatwo> :/
[02:01] <navatwo> No network connection on the tower because my onboard network card decided it was done with its life.. >.>
[02:01] <Ktanner> navatwo: click the splash screen, sometimes if there's a hangup, it's because there's a message behind the splash screen. Clicking (usually) makes the splash screen go away
[02:02] <navatwo> Nope..
[02:03] <navatwo> I want to update the computer but I'm waiting for a new ethernet card to get here..
[02:03] <Walzmy_> navatwo: sorry, i had to step awau
[02:03] <Walzmy_> away
[02:03] <Walzmy_> navatwo: after login are you getting a black screen?
[02:04] <navatwo> Walzmy_: yes
[02:04] <navatwo> ooo
[02:04] <navatwo> it just gave me an error\
[02:04] <Walzmy_> I had that happen one time when KDE was trying to use advanced graphics but I did not have the propritary driver installed
[02:04] <navatwo> "KDE is unable to start, No write access to '~/.ICEauthority'
[02:05] <Ktanner> ^^^ Goto a tty, and search for that file in your Home folder somewhere! I remember this happeneing to me MANY times! use the chown command on it and switch ownership to you
[02:08] <navatwo> okay
[02:09] <navatwo> loaded fine now >.<
[02:10] <Ktanner> good :D
[02:10] <Ktanner> I've had that issue since KDE 4.1
[02:11] <navatwo> weird
[02:11] <tertl3> what issue?
[02:12] <tertl3> network manager?
[02:12] <Ktanner> I've never understood it. And it if you look at that file, it's 0 bytes, and there's literally nothing in it. It's a completely blank file all the time and it can cause KDE not to work, lol
[02:12] <Ktanner> tertl3: navatwo	"KDE is unable to start, No write access to '~/.ICEauthority'
[02:13] <tertl3> oh, I never had that happen before?
[02:13] <Ktanner> He couldn't log in because of that. I've heard of it, so I'm glad I'm here :D
[02:14] <tertl3> :)
[02:15] <tertl3> whcih KDE version is currently in 10.04?
[02:16] <Ktanner> I believe it's KDE 4.4.x tertl3
[02:17] <tertl3> ok, thanks
[02:18] <Ktanner> However they do release packages for later versions of KDE, such as 4.5.4 and 4.6
[02:19] <Walzmy_> how can you get 4.6 in 10.04?
[02:19] <Walzmy_> If I could do that, I might not bother upgrading the entire version
[02:19] <Ktanner> Here ya go: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6.1
[02:20] <Walzmy_> thankyouverymuch
[02:21] <Walzmy_> Ktanner: that's just for 10.10 users, not 10.04
[02:22] <Ktanner> I noticed that. I think the reason for this is because 10.04 is meant to be a Long Term Release version. In other words, installing the latest desktop (as expected) may cause instability issues. So they don't want you installing something that may hurt the current system.
[02:24] <S74rk7> hey guys could knotifyrc be something to do with my "Message indicator" ... the little applet that keeps your chat clients etc listed under
[02:24] <Ktanner> You'll also notice that it's in the Kubuntu Backports repository. That repository is only for certain software such as KDE. In this way, they can help prevent Kubuntu 10.04 from accidentally updating packages that it may prove fatal to the system.
[02:24] <Ktanner> WARNING: do NOT use software update while this repository is active. IT CAN SCREW UP EVERYTHING (I've done it lol)
[02:25] <S74rk7> I have setup a notification to light up when my name has been typed somewhere in irc... but I'm just noticing that its lighting solid green... and want seem to change
[02:25] <Ktanner> S74rk7: Knotify is the message notification system so yes, the applet shows messages from knotify.
[02:26] <Walzmy_> Ktanner: yeah. I'm going to go ahead and do the updates, I didn't see any reason to get off of LTS before, but with 11.04 I think it's worth it
[02:26] <S74rk7> ahhh.. so how do I kill it and restart it in konsole?
[02:27] <Ktanner> S74rk7: I can't remember the kill command for a terminal. Hit CTRL+Escape, look for Knotify and click End Process. Then hit ALT+F2 and simply type Knotify
[02:28] <Ktanner> Walzmy: From the sounds of it, 11.04 is (possibly) an LTS release. I'm not sure though, I really haven't kept up with Kubuntu too much the past month
[02:28] <Ktanner> Walzmy: Are planning on doing it through KPackageKit or an iso/disc?
[02:30] <Walzmy_> Ktanner: it's not and KPackageKit
[02:31] <Walzmy_> or possibly CLI, but some version of apt :)
[02:31] <Ktanner> Walzmy_: May I recommend using a disc? lol I've had Kubuntu crash while using Kpackagekit update D:
[02:31] <Walzmy_> meh. ain'tskeert
[02:32] <Ktanner> haha
[02:33] <Walzmy_> if it does lock up, I know how to fix it. Think I've done it once before
[02:35] <Ktanner> Walzmy_: really? Any specific trick? I've had older versions of KDE lock up constantly (mainly 4.3)
[02:35] <S74rk7> Ktanner: I killed knotify4 in processes using "System Monitor" but it just seems to restart itself again anyway.... is that not odd...
[02:35] <S74rk7> what else is knotify tied into that would restart the service?
[02:36] <Walzmy_> it's part of the base system that tells you all your info. Its going to get restarted like that
[02:36] <Ktanner> S74rk7: Considering it's a system service I'm not surprised :) You may be able to disable it in the System Preferences, under the Advanced tab, there should be a preference pane called Services
[02:36] <Walzmy_> Ktanner: I've got my 10.04 disk laying here. If I need to, I can reload it on my / partition
[02:36] <Walzmy_> ls
[02:36] <Walzmy_> oops
[02:37] <Ktanner> Oh, well, that's not much of a solution lol
[02:37] <Ktanner> it's more of what you are forced to do if it fails XD
[02:37] <Walzmy_> right
[02:38] <Walzmy_> but I don't wanna download / burn a CD
[02:38] <Walzmy_> I'd love to not even have an optical drive, I'm about put off with the things
[02:39] <S74rk7> Ktanner: its cured the message indicator... its not a solid green anymore :)  thanks
[02:39] <Ktanner> True, I'm starting to run out of DVD's, and I'd rather not waste CD's. Speaking of optical drive issues, It took me forever to get an Apple SuperDrive from my old PowerMac G4 that could read DVD's, and it was defective -_- At least they sent a new one that works now
[02:39] <Ktanner> S74rk7: no problem :)
[02:40] <S74rk7> Ktanner: think you'd know anything about this... "Configuration file "/tmp/0997553718/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc" not writable. Please Contact your system administrator.
[02:40] <S74rk7> its what started this whole thing... been getting it at boot up..
[02:41] <Ktanner> Well, try this, open a terminal and type "sudo chown yourusernamehere /tmp/0997553718/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc" without quotations
[02:41] <navatwo> grr.. using a netbook while my desktop sits beside me is just plain annoying.
[02:43] <S74rk7> the directory<PHONE_NUMBER>8/ doesnt even exsist in tmp... is there a log file or something I could go in and see what exactly is looking for it?
[02:44] <Walzmy_> S74rk7: the partition /tmp lives on is not full is it? Full hard drives will give Linux fits
[02:44]  * Walzmy_ speaks from experience
[02:44] <S74rk7> oooohhhh...
[02:44] <Ktanner> oh woops, here try this then lol: "sudo chown yourusernamehere /Home/yourusernamehere/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc" without quotations
[02:45] <S74rk7> Walzmy_: no unfortunately... still 40some odd gb left...
[02:46] <S74rk7> I was hoping that was going to prove to be it...
[02:46] <S74rk7> lol
[02:46] <Ktanner> lol
[02:49] <S74rk7> Walzmy_:  thats a good one to remember though mate... "the partition /tmp lives on is not full is it? Full hard drives give Linux fits" thanks :)
[02:50] <S74rk7> check this out... :)  this is what I'm getting ... at boot up as well after that msg about knotifyrc ... http://imagebin.org/146949
[02:50] <Ktanner> S74rk7: Just a fact: Both Linux and Mac OS X have an odd file system in which when a file is written to disk, it writes AWAY from other files so that if the file ever expands, it has room to do so (without getting fragmented like on Windows). The downside to this is it causes problems if you get under about 20% disk space
[02:51] <S74rk7> Ktanner: Nice.... starting to get the idea how EXT works now...
[02:52] <S74rk7> people were telling me how much EXT4 rocked as I was asking before how to defrag n all that...
[02:52] <S74rk7> said theres no need to under linux .. the EXT formating doesnt get fragmented...
[02:53] <S74rk7> I was always puzzled as to how it work but forgot to ever read up on it - thanks
[02:54] <Ktanner> S74rk7: Wow, I've never seen that happen! Both those processes on mine are always at 0%. And yup, defragging is not an issue with EXT or HFS+ :) Apple and Linus Torvalds had the right idea. FAT and NTFS write every file one after the other, so lets say you made a text file. Windows will write it to the disc, then you download a picture, it well get written RIGHT up next to the txt file. Then, if you type into the text document and ma
[02:54] <Ktanner> Windows is forced to write the new chunk of the file AFTER any file that's newer. That's what fragmenting is, and it slows the comp down because it has to find every single chunk of the file before it can open it
[02:57] <S74rk7> yeah I get the fragmentation thing - but like you said it looks like thats the way forward anyway with formats... makes sense :) thanks for the info
[02:58] <S74rk7> who came up with it all first?
[02:58] <Ktanner> I'm pretty positive this is where I learned it: http://www.itworld.com/nls_unixfrag040929
[02:58] <Ktanner> :)
[02:58] <Ktanner> I would say Apple had the idea first
[02:59] <S74rk7> so are they mad at Linus now you think?
[02:59] <S74rk7> lol
[03:00] <Ktanner> HFS+ has been around since.. ohh, say, 1999?  Came out with OS X. And last I knew, Apple supports the OpenSource community so I think it's all good ;)
[03:01] <S74rk7> Ktanner: I'm gonna bookmark that link there on itworld.com - thanks looks interesting
[03:01] <Ktanner> Cool :) Now that I think about it, it's also entirely possible that this type of file system was created alongside the Unix OS. I'm not sure what Unix used to use
[03:01] <S74rk7> wow what happened there?
[03:02] <Ktanner> You noticed all the disconnects too? lol
[03:02] <S74rk7> yeah... are we boring ? lol
[03:02] <Ktanner> lol probably XD
[03:02] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[03:02] <Ktanner> oh jeez
[03:03] <S74rk7> steady...... don't.... move....
[03:03] <S74rk7> lol
[03:03] <Ktanner> huh, now there's a second FloodBot too..
[03:03] <Ktanner> thats creepy XD
[03:03] <devslashcore> Quassel crashed
[03:03] <S74rk7> whats happening? lol
[03:04] <S74rk7> Ubottu said we should get popcorn and enjoy the show
[03:05] <Ktanner> Okay I get it. Two servers disconnected from each other, therefore, we can't see them anymore. Apparently we're connected to the same server though :)
[03:05] <pm2> Hello - I'm trying to use Skype, and my microphone is part of my USB webcam.  I can hear audio output, but the mic doesn't seem to work.  When I go into options the only option for the microphone is PulseAudio Server.  Any ideas on how to fix this?
[03:06] <James147> pm2: check alsamixer and make sure the capture devices arnt muted
[03:06] <S74rk7> Ktanner: yeah were you reading the link ubottu posted :)
[03:06] <Ktanner> lol yup
[03:06] <S74rk7> me too
[03:06] <S74rk7> lol
[03:06] <Ktanner> James147: Check Kmix, it has the mic channels as well
[03:07] <Ktanner> S74rk7: It's always fun to learn crap like that :D
[03:07] <Ktanner> lol
[03:07] <pm2> Would my USB webcam/mic show up as a sound device under alsa?
[03:07] <S74rk7> I'm really new to irc... I still get surprized by the bots
[03:07] <S74rk7> Ktanner: yeah definately :)
[03:08] <Ktanner> S74rk7: lol as am i. The bots kinda creep me out. It's like space odyssey  2001 haha
[03:09] <S74rk7> Ktanner: I haven't watched all of that movie yet!
[03:09] <S74rk7> Ktanner: only got about half way through.... might put it on... know I got it around here somewhere lol
[03:09] <Ktanner> S74rk7: in all honesty, I haven't seen any of it XD I just know about Hal lol
[03:09] <Hamra> the bots here are very primitive... there are much smarter ones on other servers/channels
[03:10] <S74rk7> see thats the thing I'm still trying to get my head around... how to find and connect to other channels
[03:10] <S74rk7> I know the /join #channelname stuff etc...
[03:10] <S74rk7> but as far as finding new channels to join I'm goosed :)
[03:11] <Ktanner> I'm still confused how to connect to IRC channels and servers. I'm using Opera right now and it connected when I clicked the link on Kubuntu.org :)
[03:11] <S74rk7> Ktanner: who is it in space odyssey again?  harrison ford?
[03:11] <S74rk7> Ktanner: Yeah Hal... that was his ship or something lol
[03:11] <James147> S74rk7: /list will list them ^^ but its quite server heavy and not recomended... there is a bwtter way but i cannot remember it :) generally I just guess the channel name of the topic i am intrested, they are normally named after the project they are for :)
[03:11] <Ktanner> S74rk7: I believe so, I think I've heard that name mentioned along with that movie
[03:11] <Hamra> well... more or less like websites... you dont just go randomely, you join a server/channel that you want to join
[03:12] <Hamra> you enjoy a certain website, a certain program, a certain person... that thing has an IRC channel, they tell you the server/chanel, and you join them
[03:12] <S74rk7> Ktanner: theres clients you can use mate if you were interested ?
[03:12] <James147> Ktanner: you can connect to irc servers from an irc client (like quassel which installed by default in kubuntu) ^^ there are also various web clients about :)
[03:13] <Ktanner> S74rk7: I'm using the IRC client built into Opera :) I tried using the KDE on Windows version of Konversation, but it asked for every single bit of info about the server and I gave up lol :d
[03:14] <James147> Ktanner: quassel is simpler to use and by default connects to the freenode irc server
[03:14] <Ktanner> it did have that but I just gave up X3
[03:15] <James147> ^^
[03:15] <Ktanner> And Opera just asked my name, and nickname then opened up and here I am :D lol
[03:15] <James147> Ktanner: :) thats what quassel is ment to do though i dont know why it failed :S
[03:16] <Ktanner> lol
[03:16] <James147> Ktanner: you say you where trying to run it on windows?
[03:16] <S74rk7> James147: yeah but the who server thing... so to search say for other channels do I not need to connect to the server first... before I run a search for channels?
[03:17] <Ktanner> James147: Yea, I have the KDE 4.4.5 on Windows. So I have some KDE apps that came with it
[03:17] <S74rk7> Ktanner: wow whats that mate?  KDE on windows?
[03:17] <James147> S74rk7: depends, you can connect to a server and list the channels... or you can search the internet for channels :) most projects/sites usually have an irc channel and will tell you (with the server they are on) on their web site
[03:17] <Fritz1793> hello! can you create a beowulf cluster out of just two computers running the same distro of linux?
[03:17] <James147> Ktanner: :) havent tryed that in a while, though it didnt work terribally well when i did :(
[03:18] <Fritz1793> we have a server and the switches, but i was wondering if the number of computers in the cluster are important
[03:18] <Ktanner> S74rk7: You've never heard of it? They have versions of KDE for Mac OS X and Windows. The Windows one (if you want) can be the default shell instead of windows explorer
[03:18] <Hamra> !beowulf
[03:18] <Ktanner> S74rk7: So you'd have the Plasma Desktop instead :D
[03:18] <S74rk7> Ktanner: wooow...
[03:19] <Hamra> no idea what beowulf clusters are... :S
[03:19] <S74rk7> me neither?
[03:19] <S74rk7> :/
[03:19] <S74rk7> Ktanner:  that sounds cool ...
[03:19] <Ktanner> S74rk7: First time I tried it I was all "HOLY CRAP WHATS GOING ON"/ Because my desktop disappeared and all of a sudden KDE was sitting there!
[03:19] <S74rk7> I think I might install it on my girlfriends vista laptop and see what she does :D
[03:19] <S74rk7> kik
[03:20] <S74rk7> kik = lol
[03:20] <James147> Fritz1793: I dont see why you wouldnt be able to ^^ normally the number of computer in a cluster dsnt matter
[03:20] <Ktanner> S74rk7: http://windows.kde.org/
[03:21] <Fritz1793> james147: thanks I just thought maybe there might have been some odd number needed to create a cluster
[03:21] <S74rk7> James147: cool mate - thanks for the info on servers and channels on irc btw :)
[03:22] <James147> Fritz1793: from what i read on wikipedia it looks like you just need a server and any number of nodes :)
[03:23] <S74rk7> hey how come I cant seem to copy and paste text from from konversation or how do I go about saving part of the conversation on here?
[03:23] <Fritz1793> lol ok, i was looking at that too, but i wasn't sure if that was a convenient bit of info they left off
[03:23] <Ktanner> S74rk7: Hm?
[03:24] <James147> S74rk7: you cant copy? I seem to be able to :S
[03:24] <S74rk7> people always post great info and commands n stuff and I always forgot to copy and paste it... not when I highlight the text I cant see the option to copy... plus theres nothing in the options...
[03:24] <S74rk7> ctrl+c work you think ?
[03:25] <Ktanner> S74rk7: Well that's peculiar O.o
[03:26] <Fritz1793> ctrl+c works on my client (quassel)
[03:26] <James147> S74rk7: do you get a menu when you right click selected text?
[03:26] <S74rk7> yeah I got the menu...
[03:26] <S74rk7> couldnt see copy...
[03:27] <S74rk7> but control +C worked fine...
[03:27] <Ktanner> ctrl+c works on the Opera irc as well
[03:27] <S74rk7> thanks though guys :)
[03:27] <S74rk7> Ktanner: What you make of opera?
[03:28] <Fritz1793> Opera has an IRC client?
[03:28] <Ktanner> S74rk7: My fav cross-platform web browser :D Super fast, stable and packed with neato stffs
[03:28] <Ktanner> And yup, it has an IRC client built in
[03:28] <James147> S74rk7:  http://imagebin.org/146959 ^^ i get that when i right clcik in konversation :S
[03:29] <Ktanner> plus a multi protocol instant messenger, file sharing capabilites
[03:29] <S74rk7> Ktanner: I'm still a chromium user, and also konquerer (dude called Daskreech introduced me to it) its cool - but I dont use it often as it hasnt been updated in a while and I'm a bit worried about security
[03:29] <Fritz1793> never really knew that (irc bit). I did know that it functions quite well on windows 98
[03:29] <S74rk7> James147: ooohhh.. :S
[03:30] <Ktanner> S74rk7: Konqueror gets updated alot, but the KHTML doesn't so it works horribly
[03:30] <S74rk7> James147: I guess I got another problem to add to the list... still haven't got much further with the last 2 from chatting here :)
[03:30] <S74rk7> lol
[03:30] <Hamra> i use firefox, built from trunk source every month or so... love it
[03:30] <Ktanner> The IRC client's pretty cool. It highlights messages that mention your name and has smileys and stuff. Also a very simple/pleasing interface
[03:30] <Hamra> and konqueror might not seem to be getting updated, but it uses kparts that are updated, and has perfect security
[03:31] <Fritz1793> Ktanner: sort of like quassel then :D
[03:31] <Ktanner> I gave up on firefox due to speed. Especially on Windows, it was slow to open and slowed down my system
[03:31] <Ktanner> Fritz1793: lol yup
[03:31] <S74rk7> Ktanner: I think I'm gonna go check out Opera's IRC client now :) lol
[03:31] <James147> Ktanner: konquror also has a webkit engin as of 4.5... or 4.6  i for get which :)
[03:32] <James147> S74rk7: which problems are you having?
[03:32] <Hamra> well... yeah, it takes a bunch of resources... but you get it all back in functionality... unless you dont really need that functionality... :P
[03:34] <Ktanner> James147: Kwebkits been there longer than that :) But you haven't been able to make it the default engine until KDE 4.6. Plus, it's kinda glitchy as well :/
[03:34] <Ktanner> I get more functionality from Opera ^^ Opera Unite and Opera Sync are very useful to me ^^
[03:35] <Hamra> webkit has better rendering than khtml, but i find it slows down konquror too much
[03:35] <S74rk7> James147:  http://imagebin.org/146949 <--- these... ended an knotify and it restarted itself and seems to be behaving (although I haven't rebooted) the kded or whatever wont seem to die...
[03:35] <Ktanner> Hamra: that it does :(
[03:35]  * James147 tends to use chromium :)
[03:35] <James147> S74rk7: which version of kde?
[03:36] <Hamra> the general *feel* of konqueror itself is not very friendly, and the UI (especially the status bar) needs to be a lot more informative about what's happening during page loads
[03:37] <Ktanner> Hamra: Yea. It seems to still do what older browsers like IE6 and Safari 1 used to do. Where it'll shoot up to 100% then just choose random percents until it's done loading
[03:37] <S74rk7> James147: Platform Version 4.6.1 (4.6.1)
[03:37] <S74rk7> hold on...
[03:37] <James147> S74rk7: could you test a new profile and see if they suffer from the same problem
[03:37] <Hamra> anyway... time for me to go... have a good day/night
[03:38] <S74rk7> I was in messing with the Kubuntu backports ppa earlier... and just installed Amarok from there... mine was crashing and being annoying when I was trying to remove music from my ipod...
[03:38] <S74rk7> has it updated KDE?  What version comes out of the box on Kubuntu 10.10...
[03:38] <Ktanner> KDE 4.6
[03:38] <James147> S74rk7: it has, kubuntu comes with 4.5.X
[03:39] <James147> ^^ 10.10 that is
[03:39] <Ktanner> hmph, coulda sworn it was 4.6. Then again, maybe I'm thinking of Linux Mint 10 KDE
[03:39] <S74rk7> Amarok was the only update I wanted to install from the backports ppa... then I turned the backports off again in my list of repos... why would it do that (update KDE) if I may ask?  :)
[03:40] <S74rk7> Ktanner: are you using windows or linux yourself mate?
[03:40] <James147> S74rk7: because amarok relays on kde libraries... which if you upgrade then you need to upgrade the rest of the kde libs
[03:40] <James147> kde apps ^^
[03:40] <Ktanner> As to my knowledge, the KDE backports are full of experimental beta things, so KPackageKit sees that the packages have slightly higher versions, and it wants to install them
[03:41] <Ktanner> At the moment, I'm on Windows Vista -_- But I love Linux and it's on a second partition
[03:41] <S74rk7> right... I should - so I was looking to just more or test up
[03:41] <S74rk7> sorry typo -- start again lol
[03:41] <James147> Ktanner: no, backports if full of stable software that hadent been relased when that version of kubuntu was released
[03:42] <S74rk7> I was looking to just use the backports to update amarok-nothing more - but I was playing with something I didnt understand enough lol
[03:42] <S74rk7> now I've killed more of my system..
[03:42] <James147> S74rk7: you canot update just amarok :) it will mostlkily pull the updated for the rest of kde...
[03:42] <S74rk7> so the fact that I've installed the newer version of KDE... and its got things like Knotify which wasnt updated - I've caused all these problems :)
[03:42] <Ktanner> S74rk7: Ouch, trial and error :) I've killed..so..many..Linuxs... over... and over... and now I know how to prevent most of it!! :D
[03:43] <James147> S74rk7: create a new user and see if they ahve the same problem
[03:43] <Ktanner> Well, honestly, updating just amarok is possible, so long as the package kde-full isn't installed
[03:43] <James147> Ktanner: same :) but at least I find them easier to fix now :D
[03:43] <S74rk7> Ktanner: me too mate - I'm on my ....3rd install of Kubuntu - other installs were Ubuntu... as well lol
[03:44] <S74rk7> ok I'll try this new user thing... out
[03:44] <Ktanner> 3rd? I've gone through about 7 diff distros and I've broken/reinstalled each of them about 5 or 6 times XD
[03:44]  * S74rk7 shakes his head at himself...
[03:44] <Ktanner> lol
[03:44] <S74rk7> I'm a ejjit sometimes lol
[03:44] <Ktanner> lol, naaaahhhh, I just have more free time than you :D
[03:45] <S74rk7> see... I was thinking this... ahhh well... lets not be scared of doing things in linux.... cuz if you kill something... you can learn to fix it.... and thats how I'll learn the ways of the force with linux ;) lol
[03:45] <Ktanner> Linux Mint 7 KDE was a great experience. Highly unstable in so many ways so I learned a lot. Probably not the greatest first impression of linux for me though
[03:45] <Ktanner> You should try it out ;)
[03:45] <bmw> Any word on how to update to KDE 4.6.2? Sorry if this has been in previous threads.
[03:46] <S74rk7> Linux Mint? hmmm
[03:46] <S74rk7> that the nice green looking distro
[03:46] <Ktanner> bmw: the packages should be in the backports I think http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6
[03:46] <James147> S74rk7: Ktanner: you may want to join #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[03:47] <Ktanner> James147: lol
[03:47] <S74rk7> lol
[03:47] <James147> Ktanner: 4.6.1 is, not sure if 4.6.2 is in there quite yet
[03:47] <S74rk7> are we making too much noise?
[03:47] <Ktanner> James147: I'm not sure either, worth checking though :)
[03:47] <James147> bmw: ^^ though it should be anytime with in the next few days :) just keep looking for updates and you should have it
[03:48] <bmw> Seemed that 4.6.2 was supposed to be released by today
[03:48] <bmw> Will do. Thanks. Have a nice night/day.
[03:48] <bmw> quit
[03:48] <James147> S74rk7: its best to keep this channel quite so that questions dont get drowned out :)
[03:49] <Ktanner> lol true
[03:49] <S74rk7> James147: ahhh understood amigo.. I'll behave now :)
[03:49] <Ktanner> Okay so, the weird processes.. hmm..
[03:49] <S74rk7> I'm creating this new profile to try out
[03:50] <Ktanner> Any chance it's because of too many apps running in the background? common issue on Windows haha
[03:50] <James147> Ktanner: no, its a bug in the two software packages ^^ have seen it before... sometimes caused by a bad config file
[03:51] <Ktanner> James147: possibly one of the config files in ./tmp?
[03:51] <S74rk7> James147: should I really go back and install all the updates from the backports then... I take it my problems are starting to looked like their rooting back to me having Amarok up-to-date for KDE4.6 and the rest isnt...
[03:51] <James147> Ktanner: normally one of the ones in ~/.kde hence the testing of a new user... it will create clean config files
[03:52] <S74rk7> anyway... new profile...
[03:52] <James147> S74rk7: yeah, upgrading is normally the best thing to do
[03:52] <Ktanner> James147: True.
[03:52] <James147> S74rk7: ^^ just sometimes you need to reset some settings :)
[03:53] <Ktanner> yup :) I use a cleaning tool called Onyx on OS X to clean config files every once in a while for that reason
[03:54] <James147> Ktanner: tools like that wont help ^^ its probally not the caches that are the problem, but stored settings... which those programs dont touch as they normally contain user data that should be preserved
[03:54] <Ktanner> James147: I know they won't help, I'm not sure if there's even a tool like that for Linux, possibly BleachBit. But it could the caches and you know it ;) lol
[03:55] <James147> Ktanner: there is sweeper for kde ^^ though it just clears caches and tmp files
[03:55] <Ktanner> oh that's right! I remember the Sweeper utility from Ubuntu gnome
[03:58] <S74rk7> ok so I got my new user profile created... can I do this by just switching users or would it be best to log off and back in the new profile?
[03:59] <James147> S74rk7: logout and back in ^^ will be harder to tell as the processes from this users will still be eeating resources :)
[03:59] <Ktanner> It would probably be best to log off and into it. That way  the system won't be bogged down
[04:00] <S74rk7> no probs thanks :)
[04:00]  * S74rk7 I'll be back! ;)
[04:25] <S74rk7> I'm back
[04:26] <S74rk7> James147 + Ktanner:  yeah guys it was the same in a new user.... 100% cpu usage
[04:26] <S74rk7> and it wouldnt let me log back into my profile I'm using now
[04:26] <S74rk7> I had to reboot
[04:26] <S74rk7> and I got a new error :)
[04:26] <S74rk7> adding it to pastebin now
[04:29] <Ktanner> lol awesome
[04:29] <S74rk7> I know... eventful night huh
[04:30] <S74rk7> !paste
[04:31] <Ktanner> lol
[04:32] <S74rk7> http://imagebin.org/146962 <--- apologies about the size... took the pic with my phone and emailed myself lol
[04:33] <Ktanner> O.o did you have KDE selected as the session at the logon screen?  And anyways, at the logon screen, there should be like, an arrow button or "menu" button. Check that, and it should be set to KDE
[04:36] <James147> S74rk7: you said you where messing with upgrading to kde 4.6 (or rather tring not to) what is the current state of the install?
[04:36] <Ktanner> and yea lol, they're smileys. O.o = something of this nature http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/199/6/1/My_id_by_JimmyXS.png
[04:37] <Ktanner> ~yawn~ Well, I'm turnin in for the night haha, it's already 2 hours past when I was going to go to bed
[04:37] <James147> S74rk7: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emoticons :)
[04:37] <S74rk7> James147: everything was pretty much out of the box... bar adding the qbitorrent ppa and maybe 1 or 2 more... but the updates I installed to date were ones that were suggested to me.. I only turned on the backports today to update Amarok... done so...then turned them back off...
[04:38] <S74rk7> I wasnt aware at the time I would be updating KDE also... I do now though :)
[04:38] <S74rk7> lol
[04:38] <James147> S74rk7: I would suggest turning them back on, upgrading everything (at least all kde packages) and possibally making sure kubuntu-desktop is installed
[04:39] <S74rk7> Ktanner: liking the smileys pics lol
[04:39] <S74rk7> James147: how do I make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed?
[04:39]  * James147 find that keeping everything upgraded to geather ... unless there is a problem is a spicific packages... is usually better then only trying to upgrade once package
[04:39] <James147> S74rk7: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" :)
[04:40] <James147> S74rk7: or use a packagemanager to search for it
[04:40] <S74rk7> James147: no completely I see how its gonna cause problems upgrading one... I wasnt aware it was going to interfere with KDE updating amarok...
[04:40] <S74rk7> anyway... enabling backports now
[04:41] <Klink> How do i totally uninstall gnome and all the gnome software?
[04:41] <S74rk7> James147: installing kubuntu-desktop  :)
[04:41] <James147> !purekde  | Klink
[04:42] <Klink> Thanks!
[04:45]  * S74rk7 shuffles his feet and stares at the ground...
[04:45] <S74rk7> so...
[04:46] <S74rk7> if I was going to re-enable backports.... but say...
[04:46] <S74rk7> Kpackagekit didn't want to load...
[04:46] <S74rk7> you know... it kept crashing...
[04:46] <S74rk7> anyone know if I can just reinstall it?
[04:46] <S74rk7> lol
[04:46] <James147> S74rk7: run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktoP"
[04:47] <James147> ^^ that will upgrade all packages assuming the repo is enabled
[04:47] <James147> then install kubuntu-desktop if it is not already
[04:47] <S74rk7> I ran that command...said nothing was installed - upgraded etc...
[04:48] <James147> S74rk7: but yeah :) kde apps crashing could be because they are trying to load the wrong library version :)
[04:48] <James147> hmm
[04:49] <S74rk7> remove n reinstall kpackagekit?
[04:49] <S74rk7> nah..
[04:49] <James147> what does kde4-config --version say?
[04:49] <S74rk7> turning on the backports from command line is what I'm gonna search for lol
[04:50] <S74rk7> James147: kde4-config doesnt display anything...
[04:50] <S74rk7> no output
[04:50] <James147> S74rk7: sudo add-apt-repositity ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa   should enable the repo
[04:52] <S74rk7> James147: thanks mate - doing the sudo apt-get update ... then sudo apt-get upgrade now...
[04:53] <S74rk7> 123MB of updates to install
[04:54] <S74rk7> James147: thanks for the patience mate lol - its updating now
[04:54]  * S74rk7 fingers crossed :)
[05:02] <S74rk7> James147: ok dude all the updates have finished... going now for a reboot lol
[05:09] <S74rk7> James147: no mate - still pretty much the same...
[05:09] <S74rk7> James147: dont worry about it mate - thanks for the help though... I'm gonna poke around here see if I can sort something out... but I think I smell a reinstall ...
[05:10] <James147> S74rk7: test  new profile again :)
[05:12] <S74rk7> James147: Will I use the last one I test last time - or create a new one and test it... will that recreate config files or something doing that?
[05:13] <James147> S74rk7: you can use the old one, butr I would delete the kde config files from it forst
[05:13] <James147> first
[05:13] <S74rk7> where do I find them?
[05:14] <S74rk7> in the home folder or something... it a hidden file  - you know like .kde ?
[05:15] <James147> S74rk7: it will be at /home/TESTUSERNAME/.kde
[05:15] <S74rk7> hold up..
[05:15] <S74rk7> look at this
[05:16] <S74rk7> I got a little pop up saying theres updates still..
[05:16] <James147> best to upgrade fully :)
[05:16] <S74rk7> obviously I cant open it as kpackagekit is dead atm... but running sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade shows this...
[05:16] <S74rk7> The following packages have been kept back:
[05:16] <S74rk7>   kde-window-manager kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins kdm kinfocenter ksysguard ksysguardd libkdecorations4 libkephal4
[05:16] <S74rk7>   libkscreensaver5 libksgrd4 libksignalplotter4 libkwineffects1a libkworkspace4 libplasma-geolocation-interface4 libplasmaclock4b libplasmagenericshell4 libprocesscore4a libprocessui4a
[05:16] <FloodBotK2> S74rk7: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:17] <S74rk7> ok sorry about that
[05:17] <S74rk7> lol
[05:17] <James147> hmm, can you pastebin the full error :)
[05:18] <S74rk7> http://paste.ubuntu.com/590564/
[05:18] <James147> hmm, not sure why they are being held ^^
[05:19] <S74rk7> James147: dont worry about it mate - I'm starting to feel bad melting your head with this lol
[05:19] <S74rk7> James147: I'm still poking around here anyway trying find something to try
[05:19] <James147> ^^ not really doing anything else :)
[05:20] <S74rk7> James147: sure?
[05:22] <S74rk7> James147: check out the first reply on this thread ... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=228788 <--- think its worth a shot... I mean I've nearlly killed everything anyway.. lol
[05:22] <James147> S74rk7: ahh yeah, use dist-upgrade not upgrade :)
[05:23] <S74rk7> James147: ok here goes :)
[05:23] <S74rk7> here btw if you not doing anything ever checked out BURG?  it gives like a GUI for grub...
[05:24] <James147> S74rk7: i looked at it and it failed to compile on my computer... so i largly stop :)
[05:24] <S74rk7> James147: just in case you were interested :)    http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/install-and-configure-burg-in-ubuntu.html
[05:24] <S74rk7> James147: sensible...
[05:25] <S74rk7> James147: I was feeling brave and gave it a go... it works fine... some of the skins seem to show in italian or something though...
[05:25] <S74rk7> but its early days still lol
[05:26]  * James147 goes to try again quickly ...
[05:26] <S74rk7> James147: lol
[05:27] <S74rk7> it is cool... looks far less intimidating I think
[05:28] <S74rk7> everyone phones me when they try to use my laptop .... they are all average windows users...facebook..youtube nothing too technical... when they turn it on and see grub .... lol - so BURG is cool... can't get anyway more obvious I think :)
[05:29] <S74rk7> James147: OK updates all finished... rebooting again.. back soon!
[05:42] <S74rk7> James147: well its definately improved dude :)
[05:42] <James147> S74rk7: thats good :)
[05:42] <James147> S74rk7: and other issues?
[05:43] <S74rk7> James147: no errors at startu
[05:44] <S74rk7> locked up...
[05:44] <S74rk7> brb
[06:06] <c2tarun> can anyone please tell me how can I update to kde 4.6.2 for testing?
[06:09] <James147> c2tarun: I dont think that packages are ready yet ^^
[06:09] <James147> c2tarun: but they should be in the backports repo when they are
[06:21] <doctoras> Please tell me how to do that in KPacageKit not render the blocked update
[06:33] <James147> S74rk7: welcome back :)
[06:34] <James147> S74rk7: so what happens when you boot now?
[06:34] <S74rk7> James147: sorry I forgot to mention... I'm using the opera in built irc client... and it would let me onto #kubuntu ... was trying for a few minutes but then remember you were on the #kde channel.. sorry mate got carried away there...
[06:34] <S74rk7> James147: lol
[06:34] <James147> no problem :)
[06:35] <S74rk7> James147: I've only been using irc for about a 3weeks maybe and I keep forgetting about the channel/topic aspec of things lol
[06:36] <S74rk7> James147: anyway - when I boot - all the error msgs are gone... but it is still booting with a solid 100%
[06:36] <S74rk7> James147: although its not the same processes...
[06:37] <S74rk7> Xorg is near the top... at 40-50% but the 2nd + 3rd highest user is at like 3-4% ....
[06:38] <S74rk7> James147: its like the "System Monitor" applet is hiding the rest of them..
[06:39] <James147> S74rk7: never seen it hide things ^^
[06:39] <S74rk7> James147: I've noticed it hiding things for some time as I was always curios as to how to get a look at whats really going on...
[06:40] <James147> S74rk7: try running top in a terminal... or better yet install htop and run that :)
[06:40] <S74rk7> James147: you know like in Task Manager in windoze.... the option "show processes from all users" kind of alternative lol
[06:40] <James147> as far as i know System monitor does taht by default
[06:41] <S74rk7> so is that suspicious then would you say?  that kind of behavior?
[06:41] <James147> S74rk7: can you send a print screen of it
[06:44] <S74rk7> I'm going to need to boot back into Kubuntu - but when it bogs itself down and literally seems to freeze... do you suggest I just press "control+alt+F1" .. log in and then try "sudo restart kde" or "startx" to try get my desktop back?
[06:45] <S74rk7> pity I couldn't run irc from terminal
[06:46] <James147> S74rk7: press "alt+print screen+K" to restart  X
[06:46] <James147> S74rk7: and you can run irc from terminal ^^ using the irssi client :)
[06:47] <S74rk7> serious? :)
[06:48] <James147> S74rk7: yeah :)
[06:48] <S74rk7> ok now I'm getting excited...
[06:48] <S74rk7> lol
[06:49] <S74rk7> is there anything that hasnt been done in linux?
[06:49] <S74rk7> lol
[06:51] <Kolia> is it me of the notification system of kde 4.6 is working bad?
[06:51] <Kolia> it's overlapping all the time here
[06:51] <Kolia> and never resizing nicely
[06:52] <James147> Kolia: not noticing that here :S what happens if you try on a new user?
[06:53]  * James147 finds most of the quirks in kde after upgrading come from an error when upgrading the confis :S
[06:53] <Kolia> James147: ah right..
[06:53] <Kolia> that's bad for kde, it's killing the first impression each time
[06:54] <Kolia> I guess it's not easy to migrate the config file at each new release since it's always a mess :/
[06:54] <James147> Kolia: yeah :( i find its best to test a new user to see whats expected
[06:54] <Kolia> not very user friendly
[06:54] <James147> Kolia: unfortinatly ... and normally hard to test since it dosnt always happen but only for if you have some options enabled
[06:55] <Kolia> especially because i don't know which settings to fix or remove, so I will end up erasing all, lose my settings and set it up again :S
[06:55] <James147> although later releases are getting better at it
[06:55] <Kolia> true
[06:56] <James147> Kolia: i would start with ~/.kde/share/config/[knotify*|plasma*]
[06:57] <Muaumer> ikonia brueder Pici brueder OLA
[06:57] <Kolia> James147: thanks i was looking at this yeah
[06:57] <Muaumer> hola penguinz
[06:57] <Muaumer> da kde project is dead
[07:02] <Kolia> James147: I also lost the button to minimize windows. related to kwin rc files you think?
[07:03] <James147> Kolia: System settings > workspace appearnce > Window Decoration > configure buttons ... should allow you to configure them
[07:05] <Kolia> James147: yeah i just didn't expect the minimize button to disappear after upgrade. Wonder if it will appear in settings
[07:05] <Kolia> let's check
[07:06] <Kolia> James147: resetting to defaults there made it. thanks again
[07:53] <JOOMLA_the_BEST> my name is Mr. Gnome
[07:53] <JOOMLA_the_BEST> I will killah da KDE
[07:54] <susundberg> oh i though joomla was web publishing thingie
[07:56] <JOOMLA_the_BEST> yeah, not an fuckypengui unix like thing
[07:57] <JOOMLA_the_BEST> wundoz da best solutions for home computing
[07:58] <JOOMLA_the_BEST> the most famous and bugless operation systems of da world
[07:58] <susundberg> Maybe if one can bear the fact that you cannot get the source code and pay $$$ for the corporation for the right of use the OS
[07:58] <James147> susundberg: please dont feed the troll
[07:59] <James147> !coc | JOOMLA_the_BEST
[07:59] <Kolia> JOOMLA_the_BEST: just like Joomla is the best CMS? MOUHAHAHA
[07:59] <Kolia> (sorry)
[08:22] <howlymowly> hi poeple...  short question:   I am using a manual IP in my university network ..  everything works except that I always have to click on the connection in my network manager in the taskbar.  for some reason it just does not automatically connect to that network, although I have enabled "connect automatically"
[08:34] <Daskreech> howlymowly: Never tried that with a static address but I would suspect that it would require some action to say apply. (in my head I don't know if that's actually reasonable)
[08:37] <S74rk7> James147:  Me again mate, cant do anything with that... just downloading Kubuntu 11.04 beta 1 I think it is...
[08:37] <S74rk7> gonna try from a livecd see if I can repair it from there
[08:37] <folorn> daskreech ya around dude?
[08:37] <Daskreech> Mebbe
[08:38] <S74rk7> Hi Daskreech!
[08:41] <Daskreech> hi S74rk7
[09:48] <rikva> hi, I just activated the ppa backports to get the new KDE packages. Now every time I open a video file over SMB:// using VLC, KDE first copies the whole file to /tmp. This is not neccesary because VLC can stream over SMB. Is there a way to change this behaviour?
[10:47] <alexb1> hello, I have a problem with the external microphone; I select line in as source in pavucontrol but it still uses the internal microphone
[11:53] <bigbrovar> whats the irc channel for posting questions and getting support for kubuntu 11.04
[11:54] <bigbrovar> #kubuntu+1 ?
[12:19] <Peace-> bigbrovar: ?
[12:19] <Peace-> bigbrovar: what's your question
[12:23] <noaXess> hey all
[12:25] <noaXess> if i enable a second display in nvidia-settings, the second display gets the master display.. all widgets, lists goes to the second monitor.. instead of leaving on the main monitor.. it'a notebook with a nvidia GT 240M, nvidia driver 290.19.06
[12:25] <noaXess> is that normal?
[12:26] <Peace-> noaXess: it's a 1 gig of memory?
[12:26] <noaXess> Peace-: puh...
[12:27] <Peace-> i know that newnvidia gets problems
[12:27] <Peace-> anyway have luck
[12:28] <noaXess> Peace-: so live with it?
[12:28] <Peace-> is it  a new nvidia card?
[12:28] <Peace-> lspci | grep -i vga
[12:29] <noaXess> no.. not really the GT 240M is even an older. think about one year old
[12:29] <Peace-> give me the output
[12:29] <noaXess> Peace-: of what?
[12:30] <noaXess> ah
[12:30] <noaXess> sorry.. havent seend :)
[12:30] <noaXess> Peace-: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 240M] (rev a2)
[12:32] <Peace-> noaXess: ok no sulutions
[12:32] <Peace-> dunno man
[12:32] <Peace-> anyway
[12:32] <Peace-> noaXess: have you seen on the wiki ?
[12:33] <Peace-> !nvidia
[12:33] <noaXess> it works to enable a second monitor... but then all my widget's and so on are then on the second :(..
[12:33] <noaXess> the drivers works perfect.. it's just this thing.. but i can live with that ;)..
[12:33] <Peace-> i think
[12:33] <Peace-> it's a configuration
[12:33] <Peace-> duplicate instead to create a new destkop
[12:34] <Peace-> xrandr should help you
[12:34] <Peace-> maybe
[12:34] <Peace-> noaXess: what if you run xrandr
[12:34] <Peace-> ?
[12:36] <noaXess> Peace-: if the external monitor is on?
[12:37] <noaXess> or use xrandr instead of nvidia-settings..
[12:37] <Peace-> noaXess: type xrandr in the shell
[12:37] <Peace-> what does it says
[12:37] <Peace-> say
[12:37] <noaXess> Peace-: ok... wil try that..
[12:38] <noaXess> Peace-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/590705/ but at the moment the external isn't connects..
[12:38] <noaXess> connteced ^
[12:38] <Peace-> noaXess: plug in the second monitor
[12:38] <noaXess> need to try that later.. have a customer meeting/training..
[12:38] <Peace-> ok
[12:38] <noaXess> Peace-: will come back.. :) ..
[13:31] <ChrisBuchholz> Hello guys. Is there a theme for firefox 4 that makes it look better and fit in, than it does by default?
[13:32] <Peace-> ChrisBuchholz: oxygen
[13:32] <Peace-> ChrisBuchholz: open firefox
[13:32] <Peace-> search add ons
[13:32] <Peace-> oxygen
[13:34] <factoryTales> Hi guys : just upgraded to 10.10 and after which Amarok seems to crashing
[13:34] <factoryTales> Phonon issue as it says
[13:35] <ChrisBuchholz> Peace-: not avialable for firefox 4: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=oxygen&cat=all&x=0&y=0
[13:37] <Peace-> ChrisBuchholz: thereis ... bah.. search on kdeapps
[13:37] <Peace-> i have used.
[14:14] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:20] <bigjools> Riddell: hey there - do you know about the ubuntu font problem in Qt apps? not sure where to file a bug for that
[14:20] <tsimpson> bigbrovar: it's known
[14:20]  * tsimpson finds the bug for you
[14:21] <tsimpson> bigjools: ^
[14:21] <bigjools> yeah I guessed that was meant for me :)
[14:21] <tsimpson> I'm getting lazier about tabbing...
[14:22] <tsimpson> here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/744812
[14:22] <bigjools> great, thanks tsimpson
[14:23] <Riddell> that's the one, seems like an issue in fontconfig
[15:04] <bigbrovar> tsimpson: what is known (am lost)
[15:04] <tsimpson> bigbrovar: bad tab completion, sorry
[15:05] <bigbrovar> ok
[15:06] <bigbrovar> so I tried Kubuntu 11.04 beta and noticed I can not get blur to work on my laptop which uses Intel Arrandale graphic chip
[15:07] <bigbrovar> blur works very well on 10.10 and when I checked the kwin config to see if my card was blacklisted. I noticed it was not blacklisted. but blur does not work at all.
[15:08] <bigbrovar> I dont know if I should file a bug, but I guess I want to first confirm if its a know issue or not
[15:10] <Riddell> bigbrovar: that X compositing is a bit of a lottery is alas well known
[15:16] <Alonea> quick question, I am getting some black diamonds with ? marks on websites or sometimes in documents I download. It seems to be special symbols. What do I need to install so I can read these?
[15:20] <bigbrovar> Riddell: hmmm i dont even know if to file a bug or what to do.
[15:21] <bigbrovar> it would be hard filling a bug upstream cus kubuntu has not packaged kde 4.6.2 update last time I checked. maybe file one against Kubuntu on launchpad
[15:21] <bigbrovar> I was trying to see if anyone was experiencing same issue and even asked a question about it. compositing seems to work fine. just blur cant be enabled
[15:23] <Riddell> bigbrovar: if blur can't be enabled it means the X driver doesn't support it.  4.6.2 is out http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6.2
[15:25] <bigbrovar> Riddell: so I should file the bug against the X driver instead?
[15:26] <Riddell> bigbrovar: I expect they already know about it
[15:28] <iElle> Hi :)
[15:58] <Alonea> how do I get an update to go away? the update for skype is incorrect. If I install it it still says the older version in the about. If I get the .deb directly from skype, it says the correct version, however kpackage keeps wanting to update it. How do tell it to not update this package like you would in windows update?
[16:00] <James147> Alonea: rather then ignoreing the problem how about fixing it? have you tried purging and reinstalling it?
[16:01] <Alonea> James147: I got rid of it and got the .deb from skype themselves. Would rather use that version anyways. I could try purging it and trying the one in the repo again I guess to see if it installs the right one.
[16:02] <Alonea> James147: You would think though that if you didn't want an update, for whatever reason, that you could not do the update and tell it not to keep reminding you.
[16:03] <James147> Alonea: you can in the commandline package manager (aptitutde at least) though not in kpackagekit
[16:03] <Alonea> James147: I am not familiar with the new kpackage program, where did the purge option go?
[16:04] <Alonea> James147: I really miss the old version
[16:04] <James147> Alonea: there isnt one in kpackagekit :( you can try muon ^^ its more advanced
[16:05] <Alonea> James147: thanks. will try that one instead...I mean, I have to push a button now instead of it listing as a type...^_^
[16:06] <tsimpson> where did you get the .deb from if not from skype?
[16:07] <Alonea> tsimpson: I got it from skype.com. the ubuntu repo has its own that is the same version with a -maverick at the end, but it had an older version when I went to about.
[16:08] <Alonea> James147: can I uninstall KPackageIt safely or do I have to keep it?
[16:09] <James147> Alonea: I would think you can ^^ you cal always try... see what else is also removed and judge if you want to remove it
[16:09] <Alonea> James147: will do. I was just wondering if OS upgrades was run through it or any of the package managers
[16:10] <James147> Alonea: you can do it though commandline and probally muon as well
[16:11] <tsimpson> Alonea: did you file a bug for the package?
[16:13] <Alonea> tsimpson: I am going to double check by purging it, redoing it through repo and see if its still bad. then hopefully filing a bug report isn't a huge hassle.
[16:14] <tsimpson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+filebug is where you should file it
[16:25] <Alonea> ok, I think it installed correctly now. also, KpackageKit is gone and everything seems to be dandy
[16:29] <kubuntu> hello
[16:30] <kubuntu> help please
[16:30] <kubuntu> hi
[16:30] <James147> !ask | kubuntu
[16:32] <kubuntu> i am new to irc this is my first time sorry thank you bye
[16:50] <ariabbas> ...
[16:52] <ThePunisher60> hey all
[16:53] <ThePunisher60> i'm beginning with kubuntu and i'd like some help with begining
[16:53] <ThePunisher60> can you give me an advice o wich
[16:53] <ThePunisher60> tutorial i should read
[16:54] <ikonia> https://help.ubuntu.com
[16:54] <ThePunisher60> okay thnx
[16:54] <genii-around> ThePunisher60: Kubuntu also has a built-in help which is good reading. K-menu button..Applications...Help
[16:55] <ThePunisher60> thnx
[17:00] <ariabbas_> On
[17:57] <kamran_> hello
[18:02] <Daughain> Morning.
[18:30] <peacelive> BluesKaj:
[18:30] <peacelive> are you here
[18:30] <peacelive> ?
[19:03] <apparle> guys when I type a web address in krunner, why is the page downloaded first and then launched it in browser
[19:50] <zelda> Hi how can I add application icons to a panel?
[19:54] <Daskreech> You can drag them there
[19:56] <zelda> Daskreech: No actually I am unable to drag them, they just dont move
[19:56] <gomiboy> zelda: remember to unlock widgets first, then right click on the app you want -> add to panel
[19:57] <zelda> Daskreech: yes i fiugred that out now, basically i had to create a new launcher on the panel i wanted to create icons
[19:58] <zelda> and do right click > add to panel as you told
[20:03] <Daskreech> zelda: great :)
[20:15] <lovesthethianood> im tryign to follow this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1570791 how do i figure out what port number i should use for my local port and the iphone port? in sudo iproxy <local port> <iPhone port>
[20:19] <gomiboy> lovesthethianood: you can choose any <local port> you want (>1024 if non-root user), <iPhone port> should be 22 as he assumes you have installed openssh on the iphone
[20:19] <lovesthethianood> thanks!
[20:23] <lovesthethianood> gomiboy: i used 2222 22 for the local/iphone and then i followed the next step and i got this: r00t@PublicWifi:~/itunnel$ sudo ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-p 2222 -D 9999
[20:23] <lovesthethianood> [sudo] password for r00t:
[20:23] <lovesthethianood> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[20:23] <lovesthethianood> any idea what im doing wrong?
[20:27] <gomiboy> wrong password? First it asks for sudo pwd (your user pwd) then it should ask for the iphone root pwd
[20:27] <lovesthethianood> its not even aasking me for my password.
[20:28] <gomiboy> "[sudo] password for r00t:"
[20:30] <lovesthethianood> ~/itunnel$ sudo ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-p 2222 -D 9999
[20:30] <lovesthethianood> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[20:30] <lovesthethianood> it asked me for it the first time but now its not asking at all
[20:32] <lovesthethianood> this is from the otehr window with itunnle running:waiting for connection
[20:32] <lovesthethianood> accepted connection, fd = 4
[20:32] <lovesthethianood> Number of available devices == 1
[20:32] <lovesthethianood> Requesting connecion to device handle == 1 (serial: d1f1afa8bd1d66ab968edaae1f725d10c8220a28), port 22
[20:32] <lovesthethianood> usbmuxd_connect: Connect failed, Error code=3
[20:32] <FloodBotK2> lovesthethianood: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:32] <lovesthethianood> Error connecting to device!
[20:37] <gomiboy> lovesthethianood: seems a problem in openssh configuration on the iphone... but this isn't very kubuntu-related...
[20:38] <lovesthethianood> Thank you gomi,any suggestions for a iphone realted freenode room?
[20:43] <drbobb> DAE have problems using google earth on kubuntu?
[20:53] <ooki2day__> hellp
[20:53] <ooki2day__> *hello
[20:53] <ooki2day__> help me, pls
[20:55] <ooki2day__> I was restart my system. and i get message about crash plasma
[20:56] <ooki2day__> each reloading I obtain the message about a crash
[20:56] <ooki2day__> what can i do?
[21:00] <Daskreech> ooki2day__: Hi
[21:00] <ooki2day__> Daskreech: can u halp me?
[21:00] <Daskreech> ooki2day__: what do you have when you login?
[21:03] <ooki2day__> Daskreech: login is norm, kde load norm, but at enter to system, I got a message about crash
[21:04] <ooki2day__> no widgets. panels not start
[21:04] <ooki2day__> only willpaper
[21:05] <ooki2day__> and i can't run properities(when I try to click at right buttom in mause)
[21:08] <ooki2day__> this bug was appeared when I updated system
[21:09] <ooki2day__> kubuntu 11.04
[21:09] <Pici> : Natty/11.04 is not yet released. Please join #ubuntu+1 for further support and discussion.
[21:10] <ooki2day__> thx
[21:11] <ooki2day__> not released, yes, but somebody using it, right?
[21:11] <ooki2day__> in what server #ubuntu+1?
[21:15] <Pici> ooki2day__: This one
[21:56] <Daskreech> ooki2day__: ping
[22:03] <ooki2day__> ?
[22:04] <ooki2day__> Daskreech: what?
[22:04] <Daskreech> Just checking if you get through in #kubuntu_1
[22:04] <Daskreech> #ubuntu+1 I mean
[22:08] <Daskreech> ooki2day__: Did you get a fix?
[22:08] <ooki2day__> Daskreech: no(((
[22:09] <Daskreech> ooki2day__: Does alt+f2 bring down a box from the top?
[22:09] <ooki2day__> Daskreech: yes
[22:09] <Daskreech> ooki2day__: type in konsole
[22:09] <Daskreech> press enter
[22:09] <ooki2day__> next
[22:11] <Daskreech> ooki2day__: type in kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 5 && plasma-desktop
[22:12] <ooki2day__> Daskreech: what is sleep 5?
[22:12] <Daskreech> a command
[22:12] <ooki2day__> Daskreech: what she do?
[22:12] <Daskreech> it puts the command line to sleep (does nothing) for 5 seconds
[22:13] <Daskreech> you can type man sleep if you want to see more about the command
[22:13] <ooki2day__> unnamed app(3690): "Application plasma-desktop could not be found using service org.kde.plasma-desktop and path /MainApplication."
[22:14] <Daskreech> ooki2day__: alright type plasma-desktop
[22:14] <ooki2day__> bug again
[22:15] <Daskreech> ooki2day__: went boom?
[22:15] <Daskreech> ok try this
[22:16] <Daskreech> killall plasma-desktop
[22:16] <ooki2day__> next
[22:16] <Daskreech> then mkdir -p  ~/bkup/plasma && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/bkup/plasma && plasma-desktop
[22:19] <ooki2day__> Daskreech: hm...it's run plasma at standart?
[22:19] <Daskreech> ooki2day__: what's standart?
[22:20] <Daskreech> oh yes
[22:20] <ooki2day__> Daskreech: the initial configuration
[22:20] <Daskreech> it restores plasma to default
[22:20] <Daskreech> but you have all your configs in ~/bkup/plasma so you can restore stuff if you like
[22:22] <ooki2day__> Daskreech: this message relates to the default plasma? X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
[22:22] <ooki2day__>   Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty)
[22:22] <ooki2day__>   Resource id:  0x4e00019
[22:22] <Daskreech> ooki2day__: plus it's not crashing anymore :D
[22:22] <Daskreech> ooki2day__: where are you seeing that it can refer to many things
[22:23] <ooki2day__> Daskreech: thx) i waiting your help many time)))
[22:24] <Daskreech> most of the time if you see me in here you can ping
[22:24] <ooki2day__> Daskreech: ok)
[22:24] <Daskreech> I'm up and down this week and next but I'll normally get back to you
[22:25] <ooki2day__> Daskreech: thx once more, i'm going sleep)
[22:25] <ooki2day__> goodbye
[22:25] <Daskreech> Sleep well :)
[23:22] <Daskreech> Busy :)
[23:26]  * Daskreech hugs valorie
[23:28] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}} Daskreech
[23:29]  * Daskreech sKipps off smiling
[23:29] <valorie> :-)
[23:29] <valorie> my day is complete!
[23:29] <Daskreech> I feel like mine is
[23:36]  * Daskreech snoozes