[00:03] <phillw> philipballew: have you run the self test on the CD?
[00:05] <philipballew> no
[00:09] <Ma5t3rw1tt> I have a really quick question. I finally found out how to get applications to start automatically but I was wondering if there was a command I could add to make the program minimized?
[00:34] <Gabby> when i upgraded my system from ubuntu to lubuntu, i did not see the option for encrypted /home partition.  i had an encrypted home partition, however now it just shows a bunch of files listed as *.part
[00:34] <Gabby> as a resutl much of the information is encrypted
[00:34] <Gabby> any suggestions?
[00:46] <Unit193> Ahmuck: I haven't worked with encryption much outside of TrueCrypt, you may also like to check #ubuntu or maybe #ubuntu-beginners
[00:47] <Ahmuck> ya, cept it wasn't ubuntu that borked the encrypted partition
[00:47] <Ahmuck> is lubuntu going to support encrypted partitions in the next release?
[00:47] <Ahmuck>  /home encryptions?
[00:47] <Unit193> AFAIK, it's supported now
[00:47] <Unit193> Just the convert killed it
[00:48] <Ahmuck> the convert?
[00:51] <Unit193> What version of Ubuntu was it
[00:51] <Unit193> ?
[01:23] <Ahmuck> the last one.  10.10
[01:23] <Ahmuck> er, kubuntu 10.10
[01:23] <Ahmuck> er, maybee ubuntu 10.10, don't recall now
[01:23] <Ahmuck> prolly kubuntu 10.10
[01:26] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/MaverickMeerkat I don't see anything about encryption here, but there was in 10.04
[01:27] <Ahmuck> so i wonder how it or i borked my install
[01:27] <Ahmuck> i wonder if there is a way to get my files back
[01:31] <Unit193> Take a glance here maybe http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1690865&page=2 or wait for another helper
[07:01] <dimkins> есть кто русский?
[07:08] <Mohan_chml> dimkins: English please
[07:10] <Unit193> !ru
[07:10] <Mohan_chml> dimkins: ^
[07:11] <dimkins> Mohan ты русский?
[07:21]  * Mohan_chml is not a Russian. But knows to use Google translate :D
[15:39] <BossDj> Can anyone help me with a sound card issue?
[18:53] <MrChrisDruif> Hi guys and girls
[18:56] <MrChrisDruif> Is it possible to reverse the scroll direction in lxde?
[18:58] <MrChrisDruif> Anyone?
[19:01] <MrChrisDruif> IAmNotThatGuy; do you know by any chance?
[19:02] <IAmNotThatGuy> MrChrisDruif, I have seen it somewhere. Now I am a bit busy man. I ll come back to that
[19:02] <KM0201> MrChrisDruif: reverse the scroll direction?
[19:02] <IAmNotThatGuy> 5 mins
[19:03] <MrChrisDruif> KM0201; yeah, like they've got in Mac Lion
[19:03] <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: Are you writing in a language that is written right-to-left?  Learning Hebrew, or something like that?
[19:03] <MrChrisDruif> >_<
[19:04] <KM0201> MrChrisDruif: considering i don't use mac lion, i don't really understand what you mean by "scroll direction"
[19:05] <MrChrisDruif> Well, when you scroll with the mouse wheel (or on the trackpad) you move the page down with by "pulling down", but I want to reverse that
[19:06] <MrChrisDruif> Like in this article: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/07/reverse-natural-scrolling-ubuntu-os-lion/
[19:11] <MrChrisDruif> I've managed to get it working in Gnome, but I also want it in lxde (if possible)
[20:39] <MikeChelen> where should lubuntu bugs be reported? can't find an option to create a new issue on launchpad
[20:39] <jmarsden> Launchpad is the correct place.
[20:40] <jmarsden> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs  should have all the details.
[20:43] <MikeChelen> jmarsden: ah ok, its not a crash though, just noticed the filename for the iso in the lubuntu torrent is wrong
[20:44] <jmarsden> So the bug is a typo in a wiki page?  Which page? you or I can fix that!
[20:44] <MikeChelen> it should be reported in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/ even if it is for lubuntu right
[20:44] <MikeChelen> not wiki
[20:44] <MikeChelen> well, idk maybe
[20:45] <MikeChelen> on this page: http://lubuntu.lafibre.info/11.04/
[20:45] <jmarsden> That's not an official Lubuntu website... reportthat to whoever runs that site.
[20:45] <MikeChelen> hmm its linked from official lubuntu site
[20:46] <MikeChelen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#A11.04
[20:46] <jmarsden> Yes, it is someone who is part of the Lubuntu community, I forget who :)
[20:46] <MikeChelen> its the official download link tho
[20:46] <jmarsden> If there is a typo in the help.ubuntu.com page, tell me and I'll fix it right now.
[20:46] <MikeChelen> its not on that page itself
[20:46] <jmarsden> Wait... the official download location for 11.04 is the lafibre site?
[20:47] <MikeChelen> yes it seems so
[20:47] <jmarsden> That's new... let me check...
[20:47] <MikeChelen> okey
[20:48] <jmarsden> Looks like someone rewrote that page relatively recently, or else my memory is really bad...!
[20:49] <jmarsden> But you can't really file bugs about a non-Ubuntu site in LP, it doesn't really make sense, Ubuntu people can't fix that.
[20:49] <MikeChelen> its just weird because there is no other official download source
[20:50] <MikeChelen> guess i could add a note on the wiki page about the problem
[20:50] <jmarsden> well, 11.04 was not officially a Ubuntu release, we only became "official" from a Ubuntu/Canonical perspective in 11.10 :)
[20:50] <jmarsden> Better to post to the lubuntu-desktop mailing list, if you are already on that?
[20:51] <jmarsden> I'm trying to figure out whose site the lubuntu.lafibre.info is :)
[20:52] <jmarsden> Might be gilir, it is registered in France.
[20:55] <MikeChelen> ah ok
[20:56] <MikeChelen> i dont usually read the dlist, but im happy to post there if it would be helpful
[20:56] <MikeChelen> the problem is that the md5 sums have different file names
[20:56] <MikeChelen> than the isos from bittorrent
[20:57] <jmarsden> Sure, go ahead and post; whoever owns that site will be on that mailing list, I'm sure.
[20:58] <jmarsden> Oh, OK.  So you have to manually compare them after downloading; that would break using md5sum -C MD5SUMS    to test with...
[20:59] <jmarsden> Although in reality bittorrent checksums every chunk of the file anyway, so I'd be prettty amazed if you gto a bittorrent download sucessfully and its md5sum was incorrect -- probably the only way to do that would be a failing hard drive that didn't write what it was told to write when you stored the file!
[21:01] <MikeChelen> yeah its a bit redundant, but i had the image downloaded on one machine with a bt client
[21:01] <MikeChelen> and then copied it over the local network to another system
[21:02] <MikeChelen> which had no bt client, and wanted to check with md5 sums
[21:02] <MikeChelen> but ended up having to install a bt client on the 2nd system too
[21:02] <MikeChelen> just to check the file
[21:03] <jmarsden> No, that's unnecessary, surely!  You can just md5sum somefile.iso   and then  read the MD5SUMS file and see if the numbers match!
[21:03] <jmarsden> The filename being not quite the same should not be an issue for a human, right?
[21:04] <MikeChelen> yeah that seemed to be the other option, but for some reason i dont think it worked
[21:04] <MikeChelen> was on a windows system using some random md5 program, but not really sure what the issue might have been
[21:05] <MikeChelen> at that point i was focusing not on fixing the issue, but just getting the iso downloaded ok :D
[21:05] <jmarsden> If you have to use Windows, install Cygwin, then you have an md5sum command just as you do in Linux :)
[21:06] <jmarsden> Anyway, OK, mention it on the list and we'll see what happens.
[21:06] <MikeChelen> ah i did install cygwin, didnt realize there was an md5 util included (couldn't figure out how to install stuff in cygwin)
[21:06] <MikeChelen> its a loaner laptop so i didnt want to spend alot of time getting it set up perfectly
[21:06] <jmarsden> run the setup.exe and click on the stuff you want to install :)
[21:07] <MikeChelen> ok, thanks, its a small issue but its nice to have everything working without manual steps
[21:07] <jmarsden> Oh, I agree, we should fix it.  But you should not have needed to download twice because of this issue, that was my point, I think :)
[21:07] <MikeChelen> oh it has to be selected at install time? i installed cygwin a month ago the last time i actually used the laptop, and didn't recall the install steps
[21:08] <MikeChelen> oh, i didn't download twice
[21:08] <MikeChelen> i pointed the bt client to the iso and used its file check function
[21:08] <jmarsden> You can re-run the setup.exe from Cygwin and add stuff at will.
[21:08] <MikeChelen> cool, i will try that if i have to use that laptop again
[21:09] <jmarsden> That is also how you keep it updated -- run the setup and don't click any new stuff, it updates what is already there.
[21:09] <MikeChelen> thats nice, i wanted to use ssh too, but couldn't see how to install it without apt-get :D
[21:10] <jmarsden> :)  Yes, cygwin does have some sort of internal installer, but I just run the setup.exe when I need to add stuff, it works well.
[21:10] <MikeChelen> just dont have much experience with cygwin because i havent used windows in years :)
[21:11] <jmarsden> Good for you... my work needs it, so lots of machines I work on get Cygwin added to them :)
[21:13] <MikeChelen> yeah this windows lappy is for work, usually i just do server stuff but this needs to run flash for video streaming, and system is probably too slow for linux/flash
[21:14] <MikeChelen> i installed some windows version of git that included ssh, which was pretty helpful
[21:14] <MikeChelen> but it would be better to use a more general tool such as cygwin
[21:15] <jmarsden> yes... my two choices are virtualbox on newer machines, so Linux can run inside that, or cygwin on older machines :)
[21:15] <MikeChelen> oh yeah vbox would let me do the full thing
[21:16] <MikeChelen> but as long as i can ssh then its possible to connect to some other system and just work remotely
[21:16] <MikeChelen> im trying to get it to live boot for using it with linux at home, but the wifi card requires prop. drivers
[21:17] <MikeChelen> so cd wont really work
[21:17] <MikeChelen> and im having some issue making a liveusb stick
[21:17] <MikeChelen> which is weird because i have made these ok a million times in the past
[21:18] <MikeChelen> i think my desktop linux system is trying to automount the usb stick while meanwhile i try to write the new image >_<
[21:18] <jmarsden> For just ssh, you can use the Windows version of Putty.  For weird wifi issues, it's cheaper to buy a known-Linux-OK USB wifi thngie and use that, than to spend time on propietary wifi hardware, IMO :)
[21:19] <jmarsden> MikeChelen: For that, just wait for the automount attempt, then umount if it was mounted, and off you go... just a timing issue.
[21:19] <MikeChelen> jmarsden: i was using putty before, but had compatibility issues with key auth
[21:20] <MikeChelen> oh yeah maybe i have a usb wifi around here somewhere
[21:20] <MikeChelen> thats a good reminder
[21:20] <jmarsden> There is a converter for the file formats that you can use to get around the putty ssh key thing.
[21:20] <MikeChelen> i tried to tether my android phone a bit but dont really know the procedure
[21:21] <MikeChelen> yeah i think i ended up doing something like that, it just added an extra step
[21:21] <MikeChelen> and i think the first converter i got was one way in the wrong direction
[21:21] <MikeChelen> since i was working remotely and couldn't change the authorized key on the server
[21:22] <MikeChelen> for liveusb, having a little trouble figuring out what is the status at any given moment
[21:22] <MikeChelen> it might have gotten interrupted previously and now the usb bus is messed up until reboot
[21:23] <MikeChelen> the usb stick is appearing as a drive in nautilus
[21:23] <MikeChelen> (my desktop is regular ubuntu)
[21:24] <MikeChelen> and when i click the eject icon it gives an error about volume being in use
[21:26] <jmarsden> Weird.   You could try turning off automount completely in the host OS, but I forget the details.  Just waiting a while, then sudo umount /media/whatever   (if it got mounted there) seems to work for me on a Ubuntu 10.04.3 desktop.
[21:27] <MikeChelen> the usb stick activity light keeps flashing, which it normally doesnt, so i think there is just something trying to access it improperly
[21:27] <MikeChelen> yeah if automount were disabled that would be fine, but usually the behavior is acceptable
[21:28] <MikeChelen> also a lazy unmount might help
[21:28] <MikeChelen> and sudo unmount would help too if the rogue process causing volume access is being run only under my user


[01:17] <BigProblem> ikonia just to keep you informed i am so damn leet i got it working my self with only a few commands i remounted write able edited some stuff and tada all works
[01:17] <BigProblem> even in 13.10
[01:17] <BigProblem> :D
[01:18] <BigProblem> but the mass server dhcp had compiling errors that it don't got befor ^^
[07:46] <SuperLag> In Saucy, how do you set $APPLICATION to start on boot?
[07:46] <SuperLag> I expected to see something obvious in System Settings, but I didn't.
[07:48] <SuperLag> ahh.... Unity to the rescue?
[08:11] <wilee-nilee> SuperLag, An application?
[08:23] <SuperLag> wilee-nilee: yeah... was just trying to get Glipper to start on boot
[08:24] <SuperLag> wilee-nilee: and in the XFCE variant, in the Settings panel, you can set up startup options. I figured it'd be the same with the mainline Ubuntu
[08:24] <SuperLag> wilee-nilee: but I just brought up search and typed "startup" and then I saw the "Startup Applications" option
[08:24] <wilee-nilee> SuperLag, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ShowHiddenStartupApplications
[08:35] <SuperLag> wilee-nilee: sorry, I guess I should have been less cryptic with my Unity comment. I did figure it out, with Unity... but Unity is still a hard pill to swallow for me. Not sure yet, if I like it. Hence my "to the rescue?" comment. :)
[08:39] <wilee-nilee> SuperLag, I used it for awhile seems okay I use the shell instead at this point.
[08:39] <wilee-nilee> good luck it is 1:40 am here time to crash
[08:42] <SuperLag> Where are you?
[08:42] <SuperLag> Alaska?
[08:42] <SuperLag> Hawaii?
[10:10] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:35] <Touhou11> #wayland
[13:45] <rocky> so... in raring i had to manually activate hibernate for my laptop (and it worked fine) ... but now in saucy that same change doesn't work, there's no hibernate option in my dropdown... do i need to do something different?
[14:12] <Touhou11> It has been deprecated
[15:20] <rymate1234> yo
[15:20] <rymate1234> my usb headset isn't working under ubuntu 13.10
[15:21] <rymate1234> however hdmi audio is now working
[15:21] <rymate1234> lel
[15:26] <rymate1234> is this a known issue?
[20:20] <sqrt7744> is it just me or can you no longer roll the mouse wheel over the volume icon to change the volume in saucy? This is really a deal breaker UI change if it's just like this now.
[20:20] <sqrt7744> i'm really hoping it's just a bug
[21:36] <wilee-nilee> slow rsync today
[21:51] <Daekdroom> Are Mir/XMir being used by default already?
[22:58] <TheDrums> Daekdroom: No.


[12:54] <alex-weej> is there some guide to the categories i should use when packaging software?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> alex-weej: see #ubuntu-motu
[12:54] <alex-weej> ok
[01:11] <funman> hello
[01:12] <funman> i'm looking for the apt repository which has the debug symbols
[01:12] <AndyP> funman: it's listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[01:13] <funman> thanks
[01:32] <RAOF> Amaranth: Ping
[01:32] <Amaranth> RAOF: pong
[01:32] <Amaranth> xserver-xgl is basically a black hole wrt to bugs
[01:33] <RAOF> I was thinking of adding a wishlist bug to get xgl to ship ?dm session files.
[01:33] <RAOF> (I would, of course, do the work)
[01:34] <Amaranth> sure, why not
[01:34] <Amaranth> but gdm is used in xubuntu
[01:34] <RAOF> Cool.  Just wanted to run that by you first.
[01:35] <RAOF> Aren't the sessions common to kdm, gdm, etc?
[01:35] <RAOF> So why would that matter?
[03:54] <mikmorg> does anyone know of a linux dist. contained entirely in the initrd, for recovery?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:51] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Considered using good ${Time_Of_Day}
[04:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:53] <Hobbsee> but it's always morning on irc!
[04:53] <ajmitch> universal greeting time
[04:54] <TheMuso> ajmitch: heh
[05:13] <elpargo> hi could someone tell me the location of the installed packages metadata?
[05:13] <elpargo> basically I need to know where is the data dpkg-query is reading
[05:14] <TheMuso> /var/lib/dpkg is where you will find a lot of stuff I think.
[05:14] <elpargo> I need to run that from a liveCD into an installed system
[05:15] <elpargo> ok thanks TheMuso
[07:31] <lifeless> coming to slug?
[07:31] <Hobbsee> lifeless: see -motu :)
[08:03] <Hobbsee> geser: that script you mentioned earlier - any idea what licence it's under?
[08:04] <Hobbsee> the rbuilddepends one
[08:09] <dholbach> good morning
[08:09] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:11] <dholbach> Hobbsee: can you please kubuntumembers as a bug contact of adept?
[08:11] <dholbach> erm ... remove
[08:12] <Hobbsee> dholbach: er..who added that?
[08:13] <dholbach> no idea
[08:13] <dholbach> I just got a bunch of mails about adept bugs
[08:13] <Hobbsee> erk
[08:14] <dholbach> and I'm no direct member of the team, so I couldn't remove the bug contact
[08:15] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[08:15] <Hobbsee> have removed it
[08:16] <dholbach> gracias
[08:16] <Hobbsee> i wonder about putting a contact address of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>there though
[08:16] <Hobbsee> but then, it wouldnt help, as i cant actually verify that address
[08:25] <pitti> Good morning
[08:29] <dholbach> hey pitti
[08:30] <Burgundavia> pitti: rocking release. Sorry about not getting the tribe2 page done, life got in teh way
[08:32] <pitti> Burgundavia: oh, there was quite a good page, we pimped it a little
[08:32] <pitti> Burgundavia: thanks for the good start
[08:33] <Hobbsee> morgen pitti!
[08:36] <pitti> hey Hobbsee
[08:36] <Hobbsee> pitti:
[08:36] <Hobbsee> [Fri Jun 29 2007]  [12:55:38]  <Hobbsee> does pitti know that one of the links is broken, on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing ?
[08:36] <Hobbsee> [Fri Jun 29 2007]  [12:55:49]  <Hobbsee> in fact, both of them?
[08:36] <pitti> Hobbsee: no, I don't; they worked just fine yesterday
[08:37] <Hobbsee> pitti: they're pointing to https://www-admin.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe1
[08:37] <Hobbsee> not https://ubuntu.com/testing/tribe1
[08:37] <pitti> erk, that wasn't so yesterday; I'll talk to Matthew about that
[08:37] <pitti> let me fix it
[08:38] <pitti> fixed; it should propagate to www.u.c. in some minutes
[08:41] <Mithrandir> geser: ftp.debian.org, iirc
[08:42] <Hobbsee> pitti: :)
[08:42] <Hobbsee> morning Mithrandir
[08:44] <Mithrandir> morning Hobbsee
[08:48] <dholbach> oh Riddell is an archive admin now too - NICE :-)
[08:48] <dholbach> somebody I can pester now too ;-)
[08:48] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:48] <Hobbsee> dholbach: he might just ignore you, though :P
[08:48] <dholbach> right
[08:50] <TheMuso> haha
[08:54] <Hobbsee> dholbach: MOTU meeting in 4 hours.  do you plan to attend?
[08:57] <ajmitch> dholbach: you'll probably end up as an archive admin soon
[08:57] <ajmitch> then we can pester you
[08:57] <ajmitch> I think I still have your phone number somewhere :)
[08:57] <Hobbsee> seems that everyone cool is an archive admin, nowadays.
[08:57] <Hobbsee> we're just mere mortal, green aliens
[08:58] <ajmitch> yess miss release team person
[08:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i have no access to the DC.  so you can still do as much as i can :P
[08:59] <ajmitch> no I can't
[08:59] <ajmitch> I don't hold people's lives in my hands like you
[09:01] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:01] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i can ask them to accept crack, but i cant force them to.  so i technically dont either
[09:02] <ajmitch> until you start poking
[09:03] <Hobbsee> well...
[09:03] <Hobbsee> there is that
[09:06] <TheMuso> heh
[09:38] <dholbach> Hobbsee: yes
[09:38] <dholbach> ajmitch: I don't think so :)
[09:49] <dholbach> pitti: do you want me to file a bug for removing human-cursors-theme from the archive?
[09:51] <pitti> dholbach: no need to, I can do it on the spot
[09:51] <asac> pitti: if you have a minute, can you add amd64 to valid architectures for flashplugin-nonfree please?
[09:51] <dholbach> pitti: thanks a lot
[09:51] <pitti> dholbach:
[09:51] <pitti> -- gutsy/main amd64 deps on human-cursors-theme:
[09:51] <pitti> edubuntu-artwork
[09:51] <pitti> ltsp-client
[09:51] <dholbach> pitti: thanks
[09:51] <pitti> dholbach: (same for all other arches)
[09:52] <dholbach> ogra: can you change from human-cursors-theme to dmz-cursor-theme? it's what we use in ubuntu now
[09:52] <pitti> dholbach: I won't remove it for now
[09:52] <dholbach> pitti: alright, I'll check with ogra
[09:52] <pitti> asac: what do you mean? uploading a new version with a different Architecture: field?
[09:52] <asac> i did that
[09:52] <asac> its apparently in p-a-s exception list
[09:52] <pitti> aah
[09:53] <ajmitch> (at a random guess) :)
[09:53] <ajmitch> hi pitti
[09:53] <ajmitch> still no samba 3.0.25b on merges.u.c, I guess I should stop being lazy & do it manually
[09:54] <pitti> flashplugin: i386
[09:54] <pitti> flashplugin-nonfree: i386
[09:54] <pitti> indeed
[09:54] <ajmitch> yay I wasn't on crack
[09:55] <pitti> cjwatson, Mithrandir: can I just edit that file, or does it require some special magic?
[09:55] <asac> pitti: great ... can you also make sure that the build is retried when done?
[09:55] <pitti> cjwatson, Mithrandir: "that file" -> P-a-s
[09:55] <Mithrandir> pitti: you need to get it updated in Debian.
[09:55] <Mithrandir> pitti: which means, ask elmo, infinity or lamont to do it.
[09:56] <pitti> Mithrandir: ah, ok; so we don't have our own?
[09:56] <pitti> asac: ^ can you please mail them?
[09:56] <asac> so we have to obey p-a-s list of debian ... doesn't sound really smart.
[09:56] <asac> hmm
[09:56] <asac> ok
[09:56] <pitti> Mithrandir: thanks
[09:57] <Mithrandir> asac: *shrug*; it works.  We don't "have to", it just works fine.
[09:59] <asac> if it really worked, flashplugin-nonfree would have been build by now :-P ... but ok.
[10:06] <asac> Mithrandir: ok i pinged them in irc for now to see if they want a mail or ticket or what. Thanks for the hint.
[10:12] <pitti> asac: btw, lamont is on holiday for the next week (or two)
[10:14] <asac> pitti: thanks for the info
[10:22] <gpocentek> pitti, seb128, could you give back criawips 0.0.12-0ubuntu2 on all arches please?
[10:22] <pitti> gpocentek: seb128 can't; I'll do it
[10:22] <gpocentek> ok
[10:22] <gpocentek> thanks
[10:22] <pitti> gpocentek: done
[10:22] <seb128> gpocentek: you need a buildd admin for that, ie tfheen or pitti
[10:22] <seb128> hey pitti ;)
[10:23] <pitti> morning Seb!
[10:23] <gpocentek> seb128: ok, Ithought you were a buildd admin too
[10:23] <seb128> nop, archive admin is enough ;)
[10:23] <gpocentek> hehe
[10:23] <seb128> I would not say no to buildd kicking power though, that can be handy :p
[10:24] <gpocentek> :)
[10:25] <gpocentek> seb128: gnumeric FTBFS and I think that it's related to glib changes, could you confirm that (or not) ? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8228754/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.gnumeric_1.7.10-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:25] <seb128> gpocentek: "../../../src/widgets/gnumeric-expr-entry.c:180: error: 'gtk_widget_unref' undeclared (first use in this function)"
[10:25] <gpocentek> seb128: gtk/gtk.h is included
[10:26] <seb128> gpocentek: looks like src/widgets/gnumeric-expr-entry.c missing an include
[10:27] <gpocentek> seb128: the same package doesn't fail to build on feisty
[10:27] <seb128> with the new goffice?
[10:27] <gpocentek> yes
[10:27] <seb128> k, still that's the only build failure looking like that
[10:27] <seb128> so I doubt it's GTK+ being broken
[10:27] <seb128> I'll have a look
[10:27] <gpocentek> ok, I'll continue my investigations
[10:28] <gpocentek> thanks
[10:28] <seb128> you're welcome
[10:29] <tulga> my Asus A6Va's earphone not working. speaker working well. howto solve it?
[10:32] <pitti> gpocentek: btw, libgoffice-0-4 is in the archive now, so the transition can happen
[10:34] <gpocentek> pitti: yep, criawips is one of the package B-D on it
[10:49] <seb128> gpocentek: I'll fix the gnumeric bug
[10:58] <gpocentek> seb128: thanks very much
[11:10] <ogra> dholbach, thanks for the ping, will update the deps
[11:16] <LongPointyStick> compiz has calmed down a lot
[11:16] <LongPointyStick> wha'ts the name of the manager?
[11:18] <geser> LongPointyStick: sorry, I don't know the licence for the rbuildepend script. I'm quite sure I got it from some other location but I don't know anymore which one.
[11:19] <LongPointyStick> geser: might be worht adding to devscripts, or the bzr stuff
[11:19] <LongPointyStick> there's a developer package in bzr about it
[11:22] <dholbach> ogra: tell me once they're built with the new deps
[11:24] <ogra> hrm, why did pulse FTBFS on ppc ...
[11:24] <ogra> dholbach, will do
[11:25] <dholbach> thanks ogra
[11:28] <LongPointyStick> dude, what?  the wired network drops if you kill the wifi with the kill switch
[11:30] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: ping
[11:30] <pygi> Tonio_, poke :)
[11:31] <pygi> good morning folks
[11:31] <Tonio_> pygi: yup ?
[11:31] <Tonio_> pygi: k3b is beeing built here
[11:31] <pygi> Tonio_, did you commit that thingy anywhere?
[11:31] <Tonio_> pygi: I had to change wuite a ffew things to the packaging
[11:31] <Tonio_> pygi: nope I'll upload when the packaging is nice
[11:32] <pygi> Tonio_, ah, ok. Tell me when you do, then I'll do extra modifications.
[11:32] <Tonio_> pygi: sure
[11:35] <Nafallo> sabdfl, mdz: hi guys.
[11:35] <pygi> Tonio_, thanks :)
[11:35] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: pong
[11:35] <sabdfl> hi Nafallo
[11:35] <Nafallo> sabdfl, mdz: I just got a mail from LP saying that I will expire from ubuntu-dev in 6 days. Seems ~motu wasn't enough :-P.
[11:36] <mdz> Nafallo: the warning is spurious
[11:36] <sabdfl> Hobbsee: we have published all those internal process documents, now it's up to you to show it's worth it ;-)
[11:36] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: about bug 122645 - are you aware that the manual partitioner has *not* hung?  it's actually that the window is hidden behind something else, perhaps due to compiz.  if you attempt to kill it, it bounces up.
[11:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitely" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645
[11:36] <sabdfl> Nafallo: let it expire
[11:37] <Nafallo> hehe. oki.
[11:37] <Tonio_> pitti: hey ;)
[11:37] <Nafallo> sabdfl, mdz: thanks :-)
[11:37] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: yay focus problems
[11:37] <Tonio_> pitti: I've been pretty busy this week, but I'll send the message on the ML concerning network-manager in a few minutes
[11:38] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: about bug 122645 - are you aware that the manual partitioner has *not* hung?  it's actually that the window is hidden behind something else, perhaps due to compiz.  if you attempt to kill it, it bounces up.
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitely" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645
[11:38] <Hobbsee> erk, sorry
[11:38] <Tonio_> little technical question, is there a good syncml client/integration on the gnome desktop ?
[11:38] <Hobbsee> sabdfl: thankyou :)
[11:39] <Tonio_> this is something we really, really get done on the default install, as everyone has a new modern mobile device nowadays....
[11:39] <Mithrandir> Tonio_: not really.  Opensync is slowly, slowly, slowly getting there
[11:39] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: interesting.... I saw that kontact had everything to get it to work in its code, but the packaging ignores that part, I'll investigate...
[11:39] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: is the limitation in opensync, or is the problem is integration with the mail clients ?
[11:40] <Mithrandir> opensync tries to sync all to all which is a hard problem
[11:40] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: indeed, if that cannot be configured, that's an issue :)
[11:41] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: I'll still investigate, thanks for the infos
[11:41] <Mithrandir> uh, it's more the fact that trying to sync Evo, a palm and a mobile phone when you've done changes on all of them is hard, since they have items in the info that none of the others have.
[11:42] <Tonio_> ho, you were talking about devices, I thought you were talking about items :) no way to configure what's to be synced
[11:42] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: which window is hidden?
[11:43] <Mithrandir> Tonio_: sure there is
[11:43] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: you mean some kind of dialog? I wouldn't have thought there'd be one at that point
[11:43] <cjwatson> (but it's possible, remind me)
[11:43] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: the partitioning window with the partitions listed
[11:43] <Hobbsee> for a manual partition
[11:43] <Hobbsee> giving you the option to edit, format, etc
[11:43] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: well local config is not what is interesting to me, but using a sync service, like memotoo, mobical, or your own server, with funambol
[11:43] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: that should be just part of the main window?
[11:44] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: I'm not sure I understand what's going on here - would it be possible for you to take screenshots at the apparent hang, and after raising the window?
[11:44] <Tonio_> basic sync between a mail client and a syncml server, would already be cool, as mobile devices are already ready for this...
[11:45] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: sadly, only outlook seems to do the job perfectly atm....
[11:45] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: sure.  it's where you hit "prepare disk space", and hit manual partition.  it brings up a window saying that it's scanning the disks, then removes that one, and "hangs".  grabbing a screenshot, if i can work gnome to my will.
[11:45] <Mithrandir> Tonio_: Outlook doesn't handle multiple devices well at all.
[11:46] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: nope, because the goal on that point is not local sync, everything is based on a server
[11:46] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: so you just have one sync enabled on each device....
[11:46] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: certainly I'd be very happy to hear that it isn't ubiquity's fault ;-)
[11:46] <Hobbsee> hrm. maybe it is a crash.
[11:46] <Mithrandir> Tonio_: that's hard to do when your device doesn't have a network connection.
[11:46] <Hobbsee> seeing as that time it actually killed the process.
[11:46] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: would also explain why it doesn't happen in vmware (no compiz) and perhaps why it doesn't happen under sudo
[11:47] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: true, but probably all modern devices have so :)
[11:47] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: that's the future I mean :)
[11:47] <Tonio_> local sync is the old way to think :)
[11:48] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: i killed ubuntu    6023  0.0  0.3  13892  5044 ?        S    09:29   0:00 gksudo --desktop file:///home/ubuntu/Desktop/ubiquity-gtkui.desktop -- /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity gtk-ui
[11:48] <Mithrandir> Tonio_: local sync is also interesting if you pay per byte you transfer over the network, which you probably do from your phone.
[11:48] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: I would suggest not killing the process, and trying to raise it some other way
[11:49] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: got suggestions as to how to raise it another way?
[11:49] <Hobbsee> i'm not terribly familiar with ubiquity debugging
[11:49] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: then I'd say funambol is the trick, with a wireless capable device, which will be a standard soon
[11:50] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: but of course, not everyone has a wireless access point at home
[11:50] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: it shouldn't be about ubiquity debugging, it should be about manipulating the window manager, from the sound of things
[11:50] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: have you tried funambol ? it is terribly easy to configure, no gprs required then :)
[11:51] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: ooh!  metacity!
[11:51] <Hobbsee> right.
[11:51] <Mithrandir> Tonio_: I've looked at it and decided I don't like it, since it's a big java beast, iirc.
[11:52] <cjwatson> wonder if my desktop can be persuaded to do compiz
[11:52] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: yeah, that's java, but that works, does the job and is so easy to use..... :)
[11:52] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: when going back to metacity, the hidden window immediately pops up
[11:52] <cjwatson> ah
[11:52] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: btw I don't pay per bit, but per second
[11:53] <Mithrandir> Tonio_: for GPRS or 3G too?
[11:55] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: no, I just use wap, works nicelly for me, and I don't need more :)
[11:56] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: all I need is an ip address, I'm not interested in video calls, especially after a all night packaging with the eyes in front of a computer :)
[11:56] <mjr> wap, that three-letter monster from hell
[11:57] <mjr> I do wonder if you don't just mean gsm-data instead
[11:58] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: here is france, gprs is to pay per size too I guess
[12:15] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: erm.  this is weird.  with metacity, the entire installer just freezes up after it scans disks, after the manual partitioner.
[12:17] <Hobbsee> i have no idea what the heck is going on, then.
[12:18] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: does alt-tab help, or minimising windows?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: nope
[12:22] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: not sure a) if you want to debug this or b) how
[12:23] <Hobbsee> where this == compiz, ubiquity, and how they all die.
[12:28] <pitti> Hobbsee: sounds like bug 122645?
[12:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitely" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645
[12:28] <pitti> Hobbsee: does running 'sudo ubiquity' in a terminal help?
[12:29] <pitti> Hobbsee: or do you already see the setup screen for partitions?
[12:30] <cjwatson> pitti: we already know it's that bug
[12:30] <pitti> ah, 'k
[12:31] <cjwatson> pitti: Hobbsee reckons it may be window manager interaction rather than a ubiquity bug as such - in that ubiquity is blocking on input from a hidden window
[12:31] <_StefanS_> anyone know the state of sata and port multiplier in the current gutsy kernel ? (2.6.22)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: yet, running it via sudo ubiquity on the command line brings up the window straight away
[12:31] <Amaranth> cjwatson: but didn't Hobbsee say it broke with metacity too?
[12:31] <_StefanS_> I have a 5disk array that doesnt work :(
[12:31] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: it freezes completely there.  which is just weird.
[12:32] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: ubiquity normally uses gksudo for itself
[12:32] <pitti> Hobbsee: the funny thing is that it freezes with gksudo, but works with sudo
[12:32] <cjwatson> which suggests that it's one of the things that's forwarded by gksudo but not by sudo
[12:33] <cjwatson> a bit like the way kdesu forwards DCOP
[12:33] <Hobbsee> pitti: exactly
[12:34] <Hobbsee> ooh.  cool water :)
[12:36] <cjwatson> whoa, after upgrading gutsy it spams the console relentlessly with "device-mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed"
[12:39] <cjwatson> ah, bug 115616
[12:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115616
[12:40] <pitti> carlos: got a minute?
[12:41] <carlos> pitti: sure
[12:42] <pitti> carlos: would it be possible to strip out some additional files like /usr/share/gnome/help/<lang>/*.xml in pkgstriptranslations and ship that verbatim in the exported rosetta tarballs?
[12:43] <pitti> carlos: those are currently not handled by PO files at runtime, but it would still be nice to split those out into langpacks, to save space on CDs
[12:43] <carlos> pitti: do you mean whether Launchpad would complain?
[12:43] <carlos> pitti: Launchpad will not complain, it will be ignored
[12:43] <pitti> carlos: well, it probably ignores stuff it doesn't know about, but doesn't feed it back to me
[12:43] <carlos> right, we don't feed it to you...
[12:44] <carlos> pitti: I guess what you need is a way to import .xml files and export them again
[12:44] <pitti> carlos: it's not just XML files, there are PNGs etc.
[12:44] <carlos> and in the mean time, allow people to translate it
[12:45] <carlos> pitti: right now, we are not able to do it, but I'm going to do a modification that would allow you to get the original tarball buildd provided to Launchpad
[12:46] <pitti> seb128: ah, is /var/lib/gconf/defaults/%gconf-tree-<lang>.xml created at package installation time?
[12:47] <pitti> carlos: it would be sufficient to have a directory 'extra-files/<package>/...' in the tarball which is just copied verbatim from the buildd tarballs
[12:47] <pitti> carlos: we probably don't need special translation magic in Rosetta, since these files are handled with PO files at build time
[12:48] <seb128> pitti: yes
[12:48] <pitti> carlos: (from help/po/ or so)
[12:48] <seb128> pitti: why?
[12:48] <LongPointyStick> pitti: presumably i can do no more if it's a gksudo bug?
[12:48] <pitti> seb128: it's one of the biggest directories of the live CD, and I wonder whether we can downsize it a bit
[12:48] <seb128> pitti: it's written by gconftool call on the .schemas
[12:48] <carlos> pitti: in fact, if we integrate intltool in Launchpad, we could provide such updates for documentation too
[12:48] <pitti> LongPointyStick: I don't know yet who's at fault here
[12:48] <carlos> so we regenerate the .xml files from those .po files
[12:49] <pitti> carlos: certainly not (yet) for the translated screenshots? :)
[12:49] <pitti> carlos: yeah, for the xml files this would be nice
[12:49] <pitti> carlos: but certainly requires some more thought
[12:49] <carlos> pitti: adding screenshot support is also something that shouldn't be too difficult
[12:49] <carlos> pitti: indeed
[12:49] <carlos> next month, we have a sprint about Launchpad Translations in Alicante
[12:50] <carlos> were we will talk about the different workflows
[12:50] <carlos> I will add this topic to that discussion
[12:50] <pitti> carlos: copying files verbatim might be useful for other cases
[12:50] <pitti> carlos: shall I open a wishlist bug about this or so?
[12:50] <carlos> pitti: yeah, please
[12:50] <StevenK> cjwatson: Any opinion one way or the other about bug 78165 ?
[12:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78165 in devscripts "debuild fails to use seahorse-agent or gpg-agent" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78165
[12:50] <pitti> carlos: ok, will do; thanks
[12:51] <carlos> pitti: I'm not discarding such idea, it's just I would prefer to do a proper implementation for what you need :-)
[12:51] <pitti> StevenK: I guess it's due to filtering environment variables?
[12:51] <pitti> StevenK: e. g. I have: alias debuild='debuild --preserve-envvar PATH --preserve-envvar DISPLAY --preserve-envvar GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET --preserve-envvar XAUTHORITY -i -I.bzr -I.svn'
[12:51] <pitti> StevenK: PATH for ccache, and the rest for gnome-gpg
[12:52] <pitti> carlos: right, agreed :)
[12:53] <persia> StevenK: As a shorter  version, it works for me with "DEBUILD_PRESERVE_ENVVARS=DISPLAY" in ~/.devscripts
[12:54] <LongPointyStick> pitti: i'd definetly look at the gksudo vs sudo thing. it dies with gksudo, no matter what window manager, and works with sudo.  Reproducibly
[12:54] <pitti> seb128: where does gconftool take the translations from? I don't have langpacks for all those languages installed
[12:55] <seb128> pitti: the .schemas
[12:55] <seb128> pitti: editor /usr/share/gconf/schemas/nautilus-cd-burner.schemas for example
[12:55] <pitti> seb128: ah, I see
[12:56] <pitti> seb128: would be nice to drop all those static translations and have gconf call gettext at runtime...
[12:56] <pitti> seb128: this would give us a lot of space back on the live CD
[12:57] <StevenK> pitti: Yeah, the point is to not contaminate the build environment. Apparently.
[12:57] <seb128> pitti: right
[12:59] <StevenK> pitti: I'm not sure how hard it is, but I was thinking of grabbing DISPLAY, GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET and XAUTHORITY, stuffing them somewhere, and then setting them just before we invoke the signer.
[01:00] <pitti> StevenK: debuild could call dpkg-buildpackage without those and -us -uc, and then call debsign
[01:02] <Hobbsee> ooh, nice KDE...
[01:03] <pitti> seb128: would we need to touch many packages for dropping /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ translations, or is that handled centrally?
[01:03] <cjwatson> StevenK: no opinion; I use pinentry-curses so it doesn't affect me ...
[01:03] <pitti> carlos: bug 123020, FYI
[01:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123020 in pkgbinarymangler "support shipping verbatim files in the exported tarballs" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123020
[01:03] <seb128> pitti: every single package shipping a schemas, which means hundred of packages
[01:04] <carlos> pitti: thanks
[01:04] <cjwatson> I'm a little concerned that preserving DISPLAY by default would hide breakage in the odd package that tries to get at an X display during the build
[01:04] <pitti> seb128: I mean, can we change this in a cdbs rule and just rebuild packages over time, or do we actually need to touch rules?
[01:05] <StevenK> cjwatson: My plan at this point is to take DISPLAY, GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET and XAUTHORITY, and put them somewhere, clean out the environment, run dpkg-buildpackage with -uc -us, add the three back and invoke debsign.
[01:05] <seb128> pitti: we can probably hack that to cdbs, the schemas are generated from a .schemas.in at build time
[01:06] <pitti> seb128: so similar to .desktop and .server files: we drop the translations and instead stick in the gettext domain
[01:06] <seb128> right
[01:06] <cjwatson> StevenK: sounds reasonable
[01:06] <pitti> seb128: the standard .mo files seem to have the translations at least
[01:07] <pitti> seb128: ok, I'll file a wishlist bug about this
[01:07] <seb128> pitti: yes, there are to the .mo
[01:10] <pitti> seb128: hm, I guess we cannot do entirely without the %gconf-tree-<lang>.xml files?
[01:11] <pitti> if we could, that would be rad
[01:11] <seb128> pitti: not sure, I need to do some testing, but it's likely than %gconf-tree.xml is enough if you don't want the translations
[01:13] <pitti> seb128: right, it's a cache to look up i18n'ed descriptions for a key without knowing the package or translation domain
[01:13] <pitti> seb128: so it's very fast
[01:13] <seb128> right
[01:13] <pitti> seb128: but for langpack setup, we instead need mapping key name -> translation domain
[01:14] <pitti> that would be much smaller, since we don't need it per-language
[01:14] <seb128> right
[01:18] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: are you around?
[01:19] <Keybuk> Hobbsee: yup, what's up?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: there's an impending discussion about MoM and DaD in -meeting.  perhaps, being the brains behind MoM, you'd like to attend?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: at least that's what they *said* they were abotu to discuss
[01:21] <pitti> seb128: I noted down my ideas in bug 123025; does that make sense?
[01:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123025 in gconf2 "stop shipping static gconf translations, use gettext at runtime" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123025
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: right.  discussion is on now. (#ubuntu-meeting) if you were interested
[01:44] <seb128> pitti: yes, the action plan makes sense, I've confirmed the bug
[01:45] <pitti> seb128: thanks, *hug*
[01:45] <pitti> seb128: something for our CFT :)
[01:45] <pitti> seb128: but maybe we can convince upstream about this
[01:46] <pitti> it's not specific to ubuntu, after all
[01:47] <seb128> right
[02:46] <seb128> pitti: around?
[02:46] <pitti> seb128: yes
[02:46] <seb128> pitti: do you have an idea why gdb doesn't display abort() and raise() in stackstaces in gutsy?
[02:46] <seb128> we get quite some crashers to g_logv
[02:47] <seb128> which are in fact assertions
[02:47] <pitti> seb128: erk, no
[02:47] <seb128> ie, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/66860
[02:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66860 in evolution "evolution-alarm-notify crashes on startup" [High,Confirmed]
[02:47] <pitti> seb128: maybe it's related to the general gdb problem?
[02:47] <seb128> pitti: can you "gdb /usr/lib/evolution/2.12/evolution-alarm-notify" and "run"?
[02:47] <seb128> on feisty it was doing
[02:47] <seb128> #5 0xb72c0770 in raise () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[02:47] <seb128> #6 0xb72c1ef3 in abort () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[02:47] <seb128> #7 0xb7492122 in g_logv () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[02:47] <pitti> seb128: this bug does have abort() though
[02:48] <seb128> now the backtraces starts with g_logv
[02:48] <seb128> hum?
[02:48] <pitti> Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
[02:48] <pitti> [Switching to Thread<PHONE_NUMBER>2368 (LWP 14359)]
[02:48] <pitti> 0x00002b6419a5c4e3 in g_logv () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[02:48] <pitti> (gdb) bt
[02:48] <pitti> #0  0x00002b6419a5c4e3 in g_logv () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[02:48] <pitti> #1  0x00002b6419a5c693 in g_log () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[02:48] <pitti> #2  0x000000000041744d in main ()
[02:48] <seb128> hum, k
[02:48] <pitti> seb128: SIGTRAP != SIGABRT
[02:49] <seb128> yeah
[02:49] <pitti> there doesn't seem to be an assertio yet?
[02:49] <seb128> but look at the bug I pointed
[02:49] <pitti> seb128: heh, 'cont' actually works
[02:49] <pitti> let me look, this thing crashes so often for me, I should have a .crash
[02:50] <pitti> seb128: right, the one in /var/crash is SIGTRAP as well
[02:50] <seb128> I'm wondering why
[02:50] <seb128> it should be an abort like it used to be on feisty
[02:51] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/122858
[02:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122858 in glib2.0 "[gutsy]  glib2.0 applications crash with signal 5 in g_logv()" [Medium,New]
[02:51] <seb128> if you look at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8226372/Stacktrace.txt
[02:51] <seb128> the error is actually
[02:51] <seb128> #2  0xb7977b94 in gdk_x_error (display=0x8081cf0, error=0xbfc2ad88) at /build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.11.4/gdk/x11/gdkmain-x11.c:641
[02:51] <seb128> k, I'll investigate
[02:51] <seb128> thanks anyway
[02:52] <seb128> that's slightly annoying because it makes bug title being "crash with signal 5 in g_logv()"
[02:52] <pitti> seb128: hm, I don't know off-hand when SIGTRAP is used, let me look
[02:52] <seb128> when that's acutally a gdk_x_error
[02:52] <pitti> right
[02:52] <pitti> at least it's in StacktraceTop, so dup detection should still work?
[02:53] <pitti> seb128: <shot into the dark>might this be bug-buddy trying to attach to the failing process?
[02:54] <pitti> seb128: the only usage of sigtrap that I know are debugger breakpoints
[02:54] <seb128> pitti: well, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notification-daemon/+bug/122637 has 13 dups and I added a bugpattern now but no dup has been auto detected
[02:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122637 in notification-daemon "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_logv()" [Medium,Incomplete]
[02:55] <pitti> seb128: hmm, removing bug-buddy doesn't change it
[02:55] <seb128> pitti: it looks like there is no retrace nor dup detection tag when there is a SIGTRAP
[02:55] <pitti> evolution-alarm-notify-ERROR **: Could not create the alarm notify service factory
[02:55] <pitti> aborting...
[02:55] <pitti> Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)
[02:55] <seb128> pitti: bug-buddy didn't change since feisty anyway
[02:56] <pitti> seb128: uh, no retrace tag? strange
[02:56] <pitti> I don't look at the signal number for setting that
[02:56] <seb128> pitti: do you use them for SIGSEGV only?
[02:56] <seb128> hum
[02:56] <seb128> "** Tags: apport-crash"
[02:56] <seb128> that's the only tag on those bugs
[02:57] <seb128> from the first mail
[02:57] <pitti> seb128: hm, and it wasn't just removed from the retracer?
[02:58] <seb128> no, the Tags line is from the "new bug" mail I got
[02:58] <seb128> the submission one
[02:58] <pitti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notification-daemon/+bug/122988/+activity
[02:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122988 in notification-daemon "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_logv() (dup-of: 122637)" [Undecided,New]
[02:58] <seb128> and it's the same for all the dups
[02:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122637 in notification-daemon "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_logv()" [Medium,Incomplete]
[02:58] <pitti> seb128: ^ that seems to have automatic dup detection?
[02:59] <pitti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notification-daemon/+bug/122985/+activity this as well
[02:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122985 in notification-daemon "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_logv() (dup-of: 122637)" [Undecided,New]
[02:59] <pitti> ogra: lpstat -p
[02:59] <seb128> pitti: him, k
[02:59] <seb128> hum, k
[03:00] <ogra> pitti, wow, thanks
[03:00] <seb128> pitti: so malone mails are misleading
[03:00] <pitti> seb128: maybe because they tend to fold several changes into one mail
[03:00] <seb128> ok, so autodup is working, great; )
[03:00] <pitti> seb128: so the tag is removed so quickly that it doesn't mention it in the mail
[03:00] <seb128> right
[03:00] <pitti> seb128: but you should get followup emails from the retracing service for duplication etc.?
[03:00] <pitti> don't you?
[03:02] <seb128> pitti: the first mail I got already has "*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 122637 ***"
[03:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122637 in notification-daemon "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_logv()" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122637
[03:02] <seb128> pitti: and there is no indication in mail of who marked it a dup
[03:02] <seb128> and since the mail had only "** Tags: apport-crash"
[03:03] <pitti> seb128: ah, so Malone really just compiles several steps into one mail
[03:03] <seb128> right
[03:03] <seb128> the retrace is too quick ;)
[03:03] <pitti> seb128: with CrashReporting you won't see them any more at all
[03:03] <seb128> it has time to modify the bug before the first mail
[03:03] <pitti> seb128: I can make it slower if you need :)
[03:03] <pitti> but I'm actually quite happy with the recent performance improvements, it keeps up ATM
[03:04] <StevenK> pitti: Litter a few 'sleep(1000); # shush up seb128'  around the place? :-)
[03:05] <StevenK> Oh, wait, even better.
[03:05] <StevenK> sleep(1000) if $pkg_name =~ /^gnome/;
[03:26] <evand> I'm not sure Ubiquity is off the hook yet wrt bug 122645.  I just tried to reproduce it using compiz but was unable to.
[03:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitely" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645
[03:37] <evand> of course I've never been able to reproduce the bug in the first place
[03:38] <ScottK> pitti: Now that Tribe 2 is out the door I was wondering if I might bug you into having a look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportPinentry
[03:55] <pitti> ScottK: can you please poke me again next week?
[03:56] <ScottK> pitti: Sure.  No problem.
[03:58] <ScottK> Hobbsee: He needs to be alive and out of hospital to approve stuff.  Please ...
[03:58] <pitti> Hobbsee: eeeeerrk
[03:58] <Hobbsee> ScottK: we have Mithrandir for that.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> pitti: *grin*
[03:58] <pitti> Hobbsee: approving MIRs is my job (iwj can do it too, though)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> pitti: it's very poisonous.  we have the 10 most poisonous spiders in the world, iirc.
[03:59] <ScottK> Right.  "If you can't be a good example, then at least you can serve as a horrible warning."
[03:59] <Hobbsee> pitti: awww.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> hey!!!
[04:09] <geser> Hobbsee: we'll soon run out of archive admins if you eat or hurt each one
[04:09] <Hobbsee> geser: heh.  then it's your turn?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:51] <pitti> keescook: meh, now my bug responses were forgotten within two minutes (same browser session); seems that greasemonkey doesn't love me :(
[04:56] <keescook> pitti: <stupid questions>do you have the latest GM?  do you click "Save Stock Replies"?</stupid questions>
[04:57] <keescook> do they all show up in about:config for a while?
[04:57] <pitti> keescook: 'save' > yes, sure
[04:58] <keescook> once you have a bunch of replies, can you screen-cap it for me, so I can reproduce your config, to see if there is something buggy in the "save" routine?
[04:58] <pitti> keescook: latest: 0.7.20070607.0
[04:58] <pitti> keescook: I reordered the scripts now to have that one at the top; maybe that helps
[04:58] <keescook> yeah, that's what I've got installed.
[04:59] <keescook> I haven't been able to find any google-mention of this behavior, either.  :(
[05:06] <Hobbsee> what's the process for renewing ubuntu memberships?
[05:10] <pitti> Hobbsee: I mailed techboard
[05:11] <Hobbsee> cool, ok
[05:27] <glatzor> Hobbsee: hi, there is an automatix product on launchpad that you can assign bugs too if you think that a problem was caused by it.
[05:27] <Hobbsee> glatzor: twitch.  OK
[05:28] <glatzor> Hobbsee: Since it is not part of Ubuntu you have to use the upstream bug feature
[05:29] <gnomefreak> glatzor: they have thier own bug tracker afaik
[05:30] <glatzor> gnomefreak: right. but they use a forum.
[05:31] <Hobbsee> are they going to look at their automatix bugs?
[05:31] <gnomefreak> glatzor: and? its not supported by ubuntu nor recommended to be used in ubuntu so send the bug or hte person that filed it to #automatix and let them handle it
[05:33] <Amaranth> or just send it to the launchpad 'product' and forget it existed
[05:34] <iwj> Well, that worked except that for some reason my eth0 has become eth1.
[05:34] <glatzor> Hobbsee: Arnav Ghosh responded on every bug that I subscribed him to.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> okay, cool
[05:35] <gudegnaw> Have asked this in the main room and also posted on the forums with no luck, am trying my luck here and hope it won't offend anyone **I am running an edgy LAMP desktop and while trying to upgrade to Feisty through the update manager, I see that all the LAMP components are marked for removal and not marked for re-installation... why is that??,has anyone had trouble upgrading to Fesity while running LAMP?**
[05:35] <glatzor> gnomefreak: I don't know why we should "close" your infrastructure, only because some don't like automatix
[05:36] <glatzor> gnomefreak: why should we make cooperation more difficult?
[05:37] <gnomefreak> glatzor: this isnt the channel for this topic
[05:38] <glatzor> gnomefreak: I don't want to force you to discuss this.
[05:44] <Keybuk> I  Dovecot
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: thanks for earlier, btw
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: i thought you'd avoid us mere mortal MOTU's like the plague :P
[05:48] <Keybuk> heh, why?
[05:49] <ion_> Yeah, dovecot ftw.
[05:49] <ion_> keybuk: Btw, are you still running the compiz wallpaper plugin? Is it packaged somewhere?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: because they were going to grill over MoM?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: and because you're big and scary, and can kill their systems :P
[05:52] <Keybuk> ion_: I'm not at the moment, need to bug racarr about some performance issues
[06:01] <geser> Hobbsee: you aren't a mere MOTU anymore so he has no excuse to ignore you :p
[06:02] <Hobbsee> geser: *grin*
[06:02] <Hobbsee> geser: i meant the rest of hte people, actually.  but yeah
[06:02] <agoliveira> Weird... I'm quite sure I didn't download the alternate Tribe 2 but that's what I got. I'll do it again, just in case.
[06:02] <Hobbsee> aha
[06:02] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:02] <Hobbsee> not so helpful
[06:05] <siretart> strange. openoffice is immediately exiting gracefully right after opening an (empty or new, doesn't matter) document
[06:05] <siretart> apt-get install java-gcj-compat fixes that, now I try to reproduce this, but the crash doesn't reappear?!
[06:05] <siretart> what's going on here?
[06:18] <nixternal> mako: yay! peter brown just said congrats! and I am saying it too...Congrats!
[06:21] <Keybuk> GPL 3 doesn't really interest me; all of the so-called "three-quels" released this year have been terrible
[06:21] <Keybuk> oh, wait, I meant *Shrek 3*
[06:23] <tri_> hi
[06:24] <thom> hah
[06:52] <bdmurray> I'm looking at bug 111081 regarding a desktop file not being translated.  Does that belong in Malone?
[06:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111081 in celestia "Celestia menu entry is in a bad place" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111081
[06:52] <Hobbsee> launchpad doesnt do universe translations does it?
[06:59] <polopolo> Hobbsee, no, as far as I know, no
[07:00] <polopolo> mwah
[07:00] <polopolo> wait Hobbsee
[07:01] <polopolo> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu#head-f3515f500c9344cd9c3977017e074d4eab4ded82
[07:01] <polopolo> I think not
[07:01] <polopolo> I mean, yes
[07:01] <tri_> what is the status of the elbuntu projekt ?
[07:04] <polopolo> ah, Hobbsee leaves :D
[07:29] <iwj> Excellent, etch + backports.org have dug me out of my Xen hole.
[07:33] <zul> iwj: still waiting on xen kernel bits
[07:34] <iwj> zul: Mmmmm.  At least I'm not blocking on it any more.
[07:34] <zul> good
[07:35] <zul> im just blocked now
[07:40] <ion_> Funny. Logging in to gandi.net or slashdot.org from this machine fails on firefox (my normal profile as well as a fresh profile), konqueror, opera and w3m on this gutsy box. After logging in, zero to one pages can be loaded successfully until it just shows the login form again. My ntpd is working correctly, so it cant be a cookie time problem. Logging in works on an edgy box. All other websites seem to work on this box.
[07:47] <mikmorg> hello
[07:48] <mikmorg> Does anyone know what could be automatically load a module in /lib/modules, even though it is not instanced in modprobe configs?
[10:09] <mikmorg> cjwatson_: Hello.
[10:10] <mikmorg> cjwatson_: Have you ever booted casper with PXE?
[10:11] <Nafallo> mjg59: hi. know any good, less than 2kg, laptop with an RS232? :-)
[10:17] <bdmurray> bryce: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration is up to date right?
[10:18] <stgraber> Nafallo: Look at HP, they still have laptops with parallel + rs232 ports
[10:18] <Skiessi> compiling with pthread doesn't work for some reason (in gutsy) :P
[10:19] <Nafallo> stgraber: kewl. thanks.
[10:19] <ijuz__> Nafallo: latitude D620/D630 are like 2.1kg and have serial, the smaller ones not
[10:21] <bryce> bdmurray: I just added a new item to it
[10:21] <bryce> bdmurray: I'll doublecheck the other items
[10:21] <bdmurray> bryce: cool, thanks
[10:22] <Nafallo> ijuz__: thanks :-)
[10:22] <bdmurray> I wanted to make sure I am pointing people to the one you are working on. :)
[10:22] <bryce> bdmurray:  btw, there are a number of bug reports with error messages such as described in that item - they all probably should be encouraged to try kylem's -intel 2.0.0 driver
[10:23] <ijuz__> Nafallo: i have some problems with the GMA X3100 and gutsy... so i'm not so sure about the D630 :)
[10:23] <Nafallo> ijuz__: sounds fun. I'll probably run gutsy virtualised anyway :-)
[10:24] <bryce> bdmurray: yup those are all still valid.  I'll keep adding to the known-issues list as I run into good ones to put there
[10:24] <ijuz__> Nafallo: everything else seems to work (i have a D830, i guess it's about the same as the D630 despite the size); feisty has the problem of course too
[10:24] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:25] <Nafallo> virtual AND multiboot :-)
[10:25] <bdmurray> I wonder about subscribing BugSquad to debugging wiki pages
[10:26] <bryce> bdmurray, if you do, this one might be good to add too:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgRecentChanges
[10:26] <bryce> I'm maintaining that one just for you guys :-)
[10:28] <sbeards> So spikebike and I are working on a project
[10:29] <sbeards> calling it checksums done right (CDR)
[10:29] <bdmurray> bryce: the I830WaitLpRing item?
[10:29] <bryce> yeah
[10:29] <sbeards> acts like tripwire but verifies against checksums in .debs and .rpms
[10:30] <bdmurray> bryce: Does that show up in '/var/log/Xorg.0.log'?
[10:30] <sbeards> goal is to verify what you have installed is what also on the mirror/media
[10:31] <sbeards> also doesn't trust the client machine (probably do this through lvm snapshots)
[10:31] <bryce> bdmurray: yes it does, at the end
[10:31] <bryce> bdmurray: or Xorg.0.log.old
[10:32] <sbeards> so far I've found around 5000 deb packages without a md5sums file in it
[10:32] <bdmurray> so you have seen these bug reports against the xorg package?
[10:32] <sbeards> out of 85000
[10:33] <sbeards> not bad actually but it'd be better if every package had "official" md5sums
[10:33] <sbeards> from searching the mailing lists it's an age old issue I know
[10:39] <bryce> bdmurray: against the xorg-xserver-video-i810 package only
[10:39] <bryce> they might be in xorg or xserver too, I didn't check
[10:40] <evand> sbeards: that's probably a better topic for the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list, rather than IRC.
[10:40] <evand> erm, it's probably better to post that topic to the*
[10:41] <sbeards> evand: or a ubuntu security mailing list perhaps?
[10:41] <sbeards> it's more of a security design issue
[10:45] <sbeards> evand: thx
[10:45] <evand> sbeards: no problem
[10:54] <bryce> bdmurray: I just posted the bug fixes that are added with mesa 7.0.0 and -intel 2.0.0 to XorgRecentChanges
[10:59] <yveslu> hello, question: will gutsy have libc6 2.6 ?


[13:55] <urulama> uiteam: is it just me or is canonical irc dead?
[13:55] <fabrice> it's you
[13:55] <urulama> :-/
[13:56] <fabrice> do you saw my ping ?
[13:57] <fabrice> urulama: no it's not you, it seems to go crazy
[17:13] <ahasenack> hi guys, quick question. I'm looking at the rabbitmq-server charm in this list: https://jujucharms.com/u/openstack-charmers-next/
[17:13] <ahasenack> its row has several ubuntu versions listed, but they all point at the same link: https://jujucharms.com/u/openstack-charmers-next/rabbitmq-server
[17:13] <ahasenack> which renders as xenial
[17:13] <ahasenack> the metadata file doesn't hint at this being a multi-series charm
[17:14] <ahasenack> so where is, say, the trusty version/link?
[17:33] <hatch> ahasenack: lemme look
[17:34] <ahasenack> hatch: sorry, I just filed a github issue, I asked here but then decided this wasn't the right channel :)
[17:34] <hatch> ahasenack: np, it's definitely a bug, thanks for finding it!
[17:34] <ahasenack> np


[00:03] <arraybolt3[m]> I wrote that, I don't have a smartcard to test with, but I saw multiple reports in the support rooms about smartcard problems, which were solved by installing a non-Snap version of Firefox.
[00:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: ^
[00:05] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or at least I know one of the times the problem was solved by installing a non-Snap Firefox, I don't remember what happened the other time(s).)
[00:08] <tsimonq2> The issue to watch out for is directly related to confinement though, yes?
[00:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, I don't know. I'd assume so since an unconfined Firefox just worked.
[00:10] <arraybolt3[m]> If it should be removed since we don't have a ton of info on it, that's fine. I thought that, of all the cons of Snap Firefox I've noticed or seen reported, that seemed like the most important one.
[00:12] <tsimonq2> Just some rewording needed, no worries. I can try a bit later?
[00:12] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
[00:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Might be worth noting that Lubuntu still uses PulseAudio (does it still use PulseAudio?), since the common release notes mention the switch to PipeWire.
[00:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, it mentions Ubuntu Desktop specifically, nvm
[03:05] <tsimonq2> TODO figure out a list for moving to Pipewire
[03:21] <arraybolt3> Another thing I'd like to tackle for next cycle is figuring out how to set up openQA.
[03:23] <tsimonq2> Where can we create a list? Phab is deprecated and notes.lubuntu.me has ACL issues every other week...
[03:23] <tsimonq2> I think we need a wiki replacement/Kanban solution of some kind... that's been my hesitation
[03:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Shared Google doc?
[03:24] <arraybolt3[m]> DM me your Gmail, I'll set up a doc and hand you edit privileges.
[03:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: ^
 sorry I missed this I had a few busy stressful weeks and then ended up redoing the screenshots for installation and libreoffice after ending up a bit behind
 I just noticed lots of things changed on lximage prefrences
 "TODO figure out a list for..." <- I don't think the transition will be too bad but I agree we need to put it on the list.
[15:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: You around? The floodgates are opening :)
[16:03] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Kinetic Final] has been marked as ready
[16:45] <kc2bez[m]> I see someone marked us as ready. Thank you.
[16:47] <arraybolt3[m]> WE DID IT! Wow. I will never look at Ubuntu the same way again, seeing how much effort goes into it. Glad to be done with this cycle, looking forward to the next one!
[17:00] <RikMills> Good things don't come easy ;)
[17:25] <kc2bez[m]> Thank you for joining our team arraybolt3
 Thanks to all who contributed this cycle ..
 https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-releases-ubuntu-22-10-kinetic-kudu
 "Thank you for joining our team..." <- Thank you for having me!
 "I see someone marked us as ready..." <- Me :)
[18:44] <tsimonq2> I'll make sure all our notes are published when I get to the office in <10 minutes
[18:44] <tsimonq2> Please keep me up to date if there's anything you've already done. Thanks
 stable of the manual is now out as well  even with the correct hashes for the final version
[19:04] <kc2bez[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> Me :)
[19:04] <kc2bez[m]> > I'll make sure all our notes are published when I get to the office in <10 minutes
[19:04] <kc2bez[m]> > Please keep me up to date if there's anything you've already done. Thanks
[19:04] <kc2bez[m]> I have just been watching so far but if you need something from me just let me know.
[19:05] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: No worries, thanks
[19:47] <tsimonq2> I'm making the executive decision to add a statement regarding the DKMS issue. Should be all published before 3-3:30 Central US TIme
[19:48] <kc2bez[m]> That makes sense to me.
[19:49] <tsimonq2> (As always, I'm transparent because I want to make sure my rationale is sound. If you have a major objection, sound the alarm.)
[19:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: I was thinking of adding something like that but didn't want to do something that drastic without your permission, so for you to be doing it is actually great news to me.
[19:50] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: For future reference, the RM should publish the release announcement, so they can give it a final look-over for something like this. It would have been easier to ask for forgiveness instead of permission in this case.
[19:51] <tsimonq2> (Should, not must, I'll note.)
[19:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Makes sense to me 👍 (but I *never* live by "easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, can go too wrong too easily most of the time)
[19:52] <tsimonq2> Fair enough :)
[19:52] <arraybolt3[m]>  * Makes sense to me 👍 (but I _never_ live by "easier to ask for forgiveness than permission", can go too wrong too easily most of the time)
[19:53] <tsimonq2> In this case, they're only release notes... and they are a draft... and you do have access... so don't feel like you need to ask permission is what I'm saying :)
[20:01] <kc2bez[m]> They are editable too. I trust you though and preemptively give you permission for whatever that is worth.
[20:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Heh, thanks.
[20:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Whenever you're done writing the thing about DKMS, is it OK if I look at it before it's published? I handled the bug for hours trying to figure out what was going on and working with the release team on it, so I might catch something that would otherwise be missed.
[20:03] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Certainly.
[20:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Oh hey did you want that shared Google doc for recording our notes and goals for LL?
[20:13] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: As a short-term solution we should use notes, I was asking generally for a long-term solution :)
[20:13] <tsimonq2> (Replace CodiMD with HedgeDoc?)
[20:14]  * arraybolt3[m] hides
[20:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah.
[20:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Or Git.
[20:15] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I'm +1, the goal would be to allow *everyone* to edit it, though. :P
[20:15] <tsimonq2> (Within the scope of the project.)
[20:16] <kc2bez[m]> HedgeDoc is great for notes and whatnot. I think we need something for task tracking though.
[20:17] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: Criteria: open source, kanban-like, ACLs that aren't a pain, looks like it was made sometime after 2010
[20:17] <tsimonq2> That is either a really narrow or really wide net :P
[20:18] <arraybolt3[m]> kanban?
[20:18] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: I agree with that criteria but I don't know what that product is at this time.
[20:19] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: lmgtfy.com >:P
[20:19] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: Work board like project layout. Kanban is pretty cool.
[20:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh cool, I see it!
[20:21] <kc2bez[m]> Honestly, "seeing" it is one of the best features.
[20:25] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Heya, how does the manual re-pointing process look these days? Is there anything I can help you with?
 https://www.deviantart.com/sylviaritter/art/Kinetic-Kudu-933747978
[20:29]  * tsimonq2 sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/4710b323cec17565686678afca473e4428fb069e
[20:30] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: ^^^^^^^^
[20:30] <tsimonq2>  * ```markdown... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/2eac1c0e2ad3053aaf480f4abb3769bc5d989d2a>)
[20:32] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I can see a couple of things that don't look quite right, one moment...
[20:32] <tsimonq2> go fir it
[20:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh, I made an error, hold on...
[20:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: How's this:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/1197d934ab9c9b3ffab521a1615e1fadd0960a21>)
[20:35]  * arraybolt3[m] sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/1c17d874e6f0a447b2c827dfa4b411c7ee384c28
[20:35] <arraybolt3[m]> ^ better
[20:35] <arraybolt3[m]> One more revision...
[20:36] <arraybolt3[m]> (I keep noticing things I wish I had worded differently :P)
[20:36] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I think this is good.
[20:36]  * arraybolt3[m] sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/05cd8d4a984184227ad96b644a60b3c3a80321b2
[20:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Sorry to keep changing my mind over and over :P
[20:37] <tsimonq2> You're okay, I think this is a good iteration, thanks :)
[20:44] <arraybolt3[m]> @Leokolb: Thank you! You and Chris were awesome with the testing.
[20:53] <tsimonq2> I'll be sending out an email shortly expressing my gratitude :) but just know you were appreciated as well Leo, thanks for all you do!
[20:55] <tsimonq2> For transparency...
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Contents of https://notes.lubuntu.me/WV_ANNcCS0-9gk9kn2k-Bw?edit were saved to `release_notes.md`...
[20:55] <tsimonq2> `$ markdown release_notes.md > release_notes.html` <-- Just had to install the package, available in the archive
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Pasting `release_notes.html` directly into the blog post
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Indeed :)
[20:58] <tsimonq2> https://lubuntu.me/kinetic-released/ uploading download page before it propagates
[21:00] <tsimonq2> https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ please double check links, propagating now
[21:00] <tsimonq2> k, checking images too...
[21:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Both links are working for me.
[21:01] <tsimonq2> Thanks :)
[21:01] <tsimonq2> Fixing image links in the release notes before propagating
[21:01] <tsimonq2> (Can't ref an img not on the WP server? prob security, Just Fixing)
[21:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, Plasmashell just hung...
[21:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Or at least part of it.
[21:02] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: Sorry about that.
[21:03] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: no worries
[21:03]  * tsimonq2 sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/cdf455a74aa34707f10b83844cc37c9021b7b0c2
[21:03] <tsimonq2> ahhh needs a newline in between title and items whoops
[21:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, untangled Plasmashell! Woot, no reboot needed. I <3 Linux for letting stuff like this work. :)
[21:05] <tsimonq2> stupidly-formatted lists fixed, thanks Markdown renderer
[21:05] <tsimonq2> now to finishing images and propagating
[21:06] <tsimonq2> okay final call, how does it look? https://lubuntu.me/kinetic-released/
[21:06] <tsimonq2> bahhhhhhhhhhhh I missed a weird list... I'll propagate after fixing that and fix any other non-glaring issues as they come up :)
[21:07] <tsimonq2> okay okay for real this time
[21:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Love the release notes!
[21:07] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: this is why I wasn't roasting you too bad about editing your Matrix message, 'cause, well, I was about to do the same with the release notes 🤣
[21:07] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Thank you!
[21:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Heh, we get each other.
[21:11] <tsimonq2> Roberalz: Telegram Web froze on me... is there any way you could continue forwarding the announcement message to all l10n channels?
[21:16] <tsimonq2> ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[21:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Krita can do some cool things!
[21:23] <tsimonq2> ✅ Facebook... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/daaef6ca3bb46a3bc511da05184268ac2129e7eb>)
[21:25] <tsimonq2> hahahahaha Discourse is still using wxl's created key to auth with GitHub
[21:28] <kc2bez[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> ✅ Facebook... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/0d803e22c595b760c0279449120d636b656c1e5d>)
[21:28]  * arraybolt3[m] will take on r/Ubuntu
[21:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Just send me what text you want me to put in.
[21:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Or I can write it myself if that's what I'm supposed to do.
[21:29] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Just post the link I'd say, no body text :)
[21:29] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
[21:29] <Roberalz[m]> In telegram I have forwarded to all channels
[21:30] <tsimonq2> I did the same for Discourse. I'm avoiding cross-posting the release text this cycle, to enforce Lubuntu.me as a single source of truth for our information. Historical reasons. :P
[21:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds like a plan.
[21:30] <arraybolt3[m]> This link, right? https://lubuntu.me/kinetic-released/
[21:31] <kc2bez[m]> Simon Quigley: sends arraybolt3 to the wolves 😜
[21:31] <tsimonq2> The only Linux news agency that had my initial draft was 9to5linux, because historically I have a gentleman's agreement
[21:32] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: yeah 😆
[21:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Posted. (I can take Reddit's attacks no problem. I do it for fun.)
[21:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh hey, how do I get my Ubuntu Member flair on Reddit?
[21:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (Now it will come in handy.)
[21:32] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Hmm, last time I did it, was through the info on the Benefits page for Ubuntu Members
[21:33] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I was fine with it at first... give it a few releases of randoms on Reddit completely s******* all over it and I think you'll feel the same. Just not my circle...
[21:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Man, wish I had done that first.
[21:34] <tsimonq2> (*ESPECIALLY* the "ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!1111 snaps are evil")
[21:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, followed the rules, let's hope they do it soon-ish.
 "In telegram I have forwarded..." <- By the way, since I don't want to forget... thank you for that :)
[21:37] <kc2bez[m]> Simon Quigley: do you have edit privileges here? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/kinetic-kudu-release-notes/27976
[21:38] <tsimonq2> Hmm, no clue. Let me see
[21:39] <kc2bez[m]> It should probably point to our release notes. sil2100 has done it for me in the past.
[21:40] <tsimonq2> On it
[21:41] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: yep
[21:52] <arraybolt3[m]> (Are we expected to respond to the kill-the-snaps-with-fire people? Not that I don't want to, just want to know what I'm expected to do here.)
[21:52] <tsimonq2> My plan is to take 5, do some minor housekeeping for $dayjob, and then write my longemail to -devel regarding 22.10 success/vision for next cycle, I'll keep you guys posted
[21:53] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Nope, not expected to respond to them with your own words, the rationale for getting it right the first time in the release announcement was to tell those people to stfu :P
[21:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah.
[21:55] <tsimonq2> see: We recommend consulting the Snapcraft Forums with any issues related to Snaps in general.
[21:55] <tsimonq2> :P
[21:56] <tsimonq2> I guess, I wanted to give off the impression that we're only listening to valid arguments
[21:57] <arraybolt3[m]> So if someone has a legitimate concern about Snaps, that would be something to respond to, but if it's the archetypical "Ubuntu is spyware, adware, bloatware, will cause your PC to light on fire, 0/10 would not recommend", we can just say "Not my problem, talk to these guys (or better yet, don't)".
[21:58] <arraybolt3[m]> *minus the (or better yet, don't) part
[21:58] <tsimonq2> I think you catch my drift :)
[22:00] <tsimonq2> Even as Release Manager, I won't tell you what you can and cannot say in your own capacity. I live in the United States, and at least here one of our core values is Freedom of Speech.
[22:00] <tsimonq2> I will tell you that if you're speaking on behalf of the project, you should make sure your opinion is agreed-upon before pressing the send button.
[22:00] <tsimonq2> That's as far as I go there :)
[22:00] <arraybolt3[m]> (I could be really silly and give them a link to a Windows 11 ISO if they do that :P)
[22:00] <tsimonq2> bahahahahaha
[22:01] <arraybolt3[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> Even as Release Manager, I won't tell you what you can and cannot say in your own capacity. I live in the United States, and at least here one of our core values is Freedom of Speech.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/b46e0c98e56d0d27c20f002ddf5f06781359f92c>)
[22:02] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: (If it is in your own capacity, it would be incredibly witty. :P)
[22:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh, if they get fiery enough, I might try it then. :D
[22:04]  * tsimonq2 takes 5 - I don't think I have any more info to provide to the channel right now, but I'll post my ML link when I'm done :)
[22:04] <arraybolt3[m]> 👋 Thank you so much for everything!
[22:05] <tsimonq2> Of course :) thank you!
[22:17] <tsimonq2> hey looks like [ade] liked the release announcement post :D
[22:20] <guiverc> we don't know what ll is yet do we?
[22:21] <tsimonq2> Thank you :D
[22:25] <arraybolt3> guiverc: The Libera-to-Matrix bridge is slow to all get out today. You might want to switch to Matrix.
[22:25] <arraybolt3> To the best of my knowledge, LL is still a mystery.
[22:26]  * guiverc noticed it slow this morning; I just referred to 23.04 as ll on https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/manual-links-currently-available-22-04-lts-22-10-stable/3242/ (why I asked)
[22:27] <guiverc> we normally don't hear name for awhile... my usual bump to devel is normally ~30 hours post-release; kinetic was slower than most and closer to 50 if I recall... as no primary PC, I can't bump anyway currently


[04:08] <andrew_> can someone help me think about server spec for a mixed thin / thick / Linux / Windows environment.   We're likely to have 45 thin clients, 25 thick...how many and what speed of server do I need to run fileserver, DHCP, terminal server, and Windows...?
[05:19] <andrew_> can someone help me think about server spec for a mixed thin / thick / Linux / Windows environment. We're likely to have 45 thin clients, 25 thick...how many and what speed of server do I need to run fileserver, DHCP, terminal server, and Windows...?
[05:20] <Burgundavia> andrew_: got your LDAP server running?
[05:21] <andrew_> I took an LDAP vacation this week and bought a bunch of books to get my grounding in Linux land before taking another swing at it.
[05:21] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:21] <Burgundavia> don't fear, you will conquer LDAP
[05:21] <andrew_> The server is running fine...I just haven't succeeded in getting a client to authenticate against it...
[05:22] <andrew_> I'm in a position to be buying equipment and I don't want to screw up...
[05:22] <andrew_> So I'm looking for 2nd and 3rd opinions...
[05:23] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:23] <Burgundavia> what are you using for your thin clients?
[05:23] <andrew_> A mix of donated P4s and whatever we decide to buy, new...
[05:24] <Burgundavia> wow, those are massively powered
[05:24] <andrew_> Yes...lucky...should I just turn these into thin client servers?
[05:25] <andrew_> We'll have roughly 20 of these...
[05:25] <andrew_> but I want to reduce administration on the client side...
[05:26] <Burgundavia> hmm
[05:26] <Burgundavia> how many classrooms?
[05:26] <andrew_> four
[05:27] <andrew_> three, really, with one computer/study room
[05:27] <andrew_> I want 12-15 thin clients in each classroom, with the ability to push in another 20 laptops (thick client)
[05:29] <andrew_> I'm constrained to using Dell as the vendor, unless I can show that they don't carry what I need.
[05:29] <Burgundavia> right
[05:29] <Burgundavia> as for teh actual servers, you need to talk to sbalneav or somebody similar
[05:30] <andrew_> He recommended 6-8GB of RAM for a single server running 45 clients...but as for processors, I can't tell.
[05:31] <andrew_> I'm also a bit shaky on what I need to set up the dual Windows/Linux thin client environment I've seen in some of the case studies...
[05:32] <Burgundavia> you need one or several Windows servers, where the clients use seamless RDP to get an application from them
[05:32] <andrew_> He recommended three servers:  LTSP (Ram intensive), DNS/Filesever/Webserver (HD intensive), Windows (?)
[05:32] <Burgundavia> that makes sense
[05:33] <andrew_> What hardware requirements would the Windows server have?
[05:33] <Burgundavia> have you been a sysadmin much before?'
[05:33] <andrew_> No
[05:33] <Burgundavia> the requires of the windows server depend entirely on what you are running
[05:33] <Burgundavia> I suggest you collect a complete set of all applicatiosn you expect to be run
[05:33] <Burgundavia> the Windows ones
[05:34] <Burgundavia> then fire up a thin client and connect to a Windows computer
[05:34] <Burgundavia> monitor the RAM and network output on the windows machine
[05:34] <andrew_> If I understand properly, the Xterminal is still running on the LTSP server even when the clients are accessing the Windows server, is this correct?
[05:34] <Burgundavia> the users would still be in an Ubuntu environment
[05:35] <Burgundavia> they would just be accessing a single program off the Windows side
[05:35] <Burgundavia> another way to do it is to do what whiprush does
[05:35] <Burgundavia> he has he machines dual boot
[05:35] <Burgundavia> Windows and LTSP thin client
[05:35] <andrew_> That is preferable to me...I think.
[05:35] <andrew_> How difficult is that to do?
[05:36] <Burgundavia> not hard
[05:36] <Burgundavia> for that you need a copy of windows on each computer
[05:36] <Burgundavia> and then hack grub to do a network boot, I think
[05:36] <Burgundavia> you need to ask whiprush (Jorge Castro)
[05:37] <andrew_> So windows runs locally, not as an application server...?
[05:37] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:38] <Burgundavia> in that case, they are in a full windows environment and you need to deal with each windows install
[05:38] <Burgundavia> the advantage of an application server is that you minimize the number of windows instlals you have
[05:38] <andrew_> This would make a true "thin client" machine impossible to use as a dual boot machine.
[05:38] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:38] <andrew_> OK...I guess we can handle an emulator window...
[05:39] <Burgundavia> well, with seamless rdp, it is as if the appliation is running locally
[05:39] <Burgundavia> that is what is so brilliant
[05:39] <andrew_> In any case, it sounds like the Windows application server doesn't need to be as resource intensive as the LTSP server, is this correct?
[05:40] <Burgundavia> that depends on the application being run
[05:40] <Burgundavia> you also need to consider that graphics-intensive stuff does very badly when run over the network
[05:41] <andrew_> So streaming video = bad news...even with a blazing fast, 8MB RAM LTSP server?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> yes, because at that point, the bootleneck is not the server, it is the network itself
[05:42] <andrew_> Even with gigabit connection between the server and the switch?
[05:42] <Burgundavia> for that, I would test
[05:43] <Burgundavia> gigabit might do for streaming, but more graphics intensive stuff like games would still choke, I imagine
[05:43] <Burgundavia> that is off the top of my head
[05:44] <andrew_> I just need to know whether I need two $6000 servers to run Linux and Windows, or just one $6000 server and a smaller, say $2000 server to host windows apps...?
[05:44] <Burgundavia> like I said, I would figure out exactly which Windows apps you need to run and then take a look at their memory/cpu/network requirements
[05:46] <andrew_> Now as for the fileserver, LDAP, DHCP, and webserver...would all of these live on the same machine?
[05:47] <andrew_> A third machine, phsically separate from the LTSP and Windows machines?
[05:47] <Burgundavia> yes, if possibly
[05:47] <Burgundavia> possible, rather
[05:47] <Burgundavia> ldap/fileserver can share the same machine
[05:48] <andrew_> and also host a website...
[05:48] <Burgundavia> you could repurpose one of yoru p4s for that
[05:48] <Burgundavia> I am very conservative with stuff like that
[05:48] <Burgundavia> I try and separate out the services as much as possible
[05:49] <Burgundavia> makes backup/recovery schemes easier
[05:49] <andrew_> I want to give web users access to their LAN files
[05:50] <andrew_> Does this necessitate fileserver and webserver sharing the same machine?
[05:51] <Burgundavia> nope
[05:52] <andrew_> Here's where LDAP comes in, right?  Single authentication point for all services...
[05:52] <kjw75> how come when I installed 7.04 I have no educational tools, but they were there in 6.06 and 6.10?
[05:57] <andrew_> How do you install seamless rdp?
[05:58] <Burgundavia> andrew_: yes, and NFS for single file point
[05:58] <Burgundavia> kjw75: there is a bug. You need to install them afterwards
[05:59] <kjw75> Burgundavia: ah, ok thanks
[09:05] <kjw75> is there a synaptic package that will install the default educational programs that were supposed to come with 7.04?
[09:14] <jsgotangco> kjw75: try looking for edubuntu-desktop
[09:20] <kjw75> edubuntu-desktop is already installed. When I installed 6.06 and 6.10 it installed a menu called Education with educational software. Now that I installed 7.04 this was not included. I was told this was a bug in the 7.04 installer. Just wondering if there's an easy way to install all these apps or if I have to just pick them all myself and install separately.
[09:21] <jsgotangco> oh
[04:00] <cliebow> anyone have a hunch why i have som much trouble with gnome-settings-daemon?anyone else have accounts that barf?
[08:02] <racter> hiyall - how can i change the login screen for my edubuntu thin clients?  i made a theme and set it with gdmsetup but it's not appearing.


[06:01] <lpsmith> Hmm,  ok,  so I have an upstart job that failed on boot
[06:02] <lpsmith> I checked the logs and discovered the problem is that I forgot a dependency on postgresql.
[06:02] <lpsmith> The problem is,  postgresql is still using init.d scripts
[06:02] <lpsmith> is there a way to indicate a dependency on something that is still init.d?
[06:03] <lpsmith> I feel like this must be a common enough problem that there is a standard solution for it...
[06:03] <lpsmith> I suppose I could convert postgresql to use upstart,  but honestly I'd prefer to not have to do that;  I'd prefer to have that coming from upstream
[06:05] <lpsmith> (I'm using Ubuntu Server 12.04.4 and PostgreSQL 9.3 from the community repo... but even the Canonical-supplied postgresql packages are still init.d)
[07:09] <ion> spamaps: Alright