[18:01] <Laney> my muscle memory is learning apt full-upgrade
[18:01]  * Laney 's VPS is running wheezy without 'apt'
[18:28] <obitori> Did the cardapio menu app project die?


[00:37] <ahoneybun> almost lost this install mcphail
[00:38] <ahoneybun> had to restart Xorg
[04:58] <bzoltan> ahoneybun: what packages the SDK replaced? The SDK can not break a standard Ubuntu. Of course if you have some special configuration with custom packages then your case might be special... but even in this case the SDK does not break anything what a simple dist-upgrade would not break.
[05:48] <cliftonts> Morning all, I'm hoping someone might be able to help me with packaging my software. I've submitted to the developer portal but they say it won't build even though it does so here perfectly.
[05:49] <cliftonts> The error they are getting is E: cliftontestsuite: arch-independent-package-contains-binary-or-object opt/cliftontestsuite/atk.so
[05:49] <cliftonts> oops, wrong message
[05:49] <cliftonts> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/atk.so': No such file or directory
[05:50] <cliftonts> Though that file is in place and listed in the .install file. I'm not sure where to start.
[06:37] <cliftonts> Anybody?
[06:38] <dholbach> good morning
[06:44] <cliftonts> Morning.
[06:45] <cliftonts> I don't suppose you could provide me with some inspiration to help figure out why my package builds on my system fine but not on the moderators at the dev portal could you?
[08:25] <liuxg> is there any good way to calculate the length of the Text in QML if there is only one line?
[08:27] <liuxg> I want to draw a background for the text displayed in my Text. However, the Text could be multiple lines. For single line, I do not want to paint the unused space of my Text. Thanks
[08:29] <cliftonts> I wouldn't hold out for a reply liuxg
[08:33] <liuxg> cliftonts, I have a code like http://paste.ubuntu.com/11221391/. it works for me, but it has a QML Text: Binding loop detected for property "width" warning. I want to get rid of it. The text could be multiple lines. for single line, I just want to paint the background of the displayed area instead of the whole area.
[08:34] <liuxg> cliftonts, this is the listview I want to have http://imgur.com/3QKHUGZ. currently, it works, however, there is binding loop for it http://imgur.com/3QKHUGZ
[08:35] <cliftonts> Wouldn't have a clue I'm afraid. I'm here for help myself but have been waiting for something like 3 hours and you are the first real sign of life.
[08:35] <liuxg> cliftonts, ok.
[08:36] <danielbe> liuxg: what do you mean with "length" of the text? The amount of pixels/the amount of chars?
[08:37] <liuxg> danielbe, yes, the amount of pixels.
[08:39] <liuxg> danielbe, this is my code "git clone https://gitcafe.com/ubuntu/weixin.git". Basically, it works. I just want to get rid of the binding loop error.
[08:44] <JamesTait> liuxg, I'd like to understand what causes that, too. I only have time to occasionally dabble in this stuff, but I try to soak up whatever knowledge I can in the spaces in between.
[08:47] <liuxg> JamesTait, it is truly a binding loop. I understand the question. My code works, but I want to remove the warning.  I need to set a width for Text so that I can have multiple lines.  I'm on 15.04 and just tried the first qmake template as I understand now qmake will be what is supported. "QML App with Simple UI (qmake)". It can't import Ubuntu.Components 1.1 (default in the template). I tried to switch to 1.2 (as it seems it's what other components in qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin are importing), but nothing
[13:55] <didrocks> zsombi: any idea?
[13:57] <didrocks> (I only enabled the desktop kit)
[13:58] <didrocks> bzoltan: maybe you would know as well ^
[13:58] <seb128> didrocks, what error do you get exactly?
[13:59] <didrocks> in French, but translated it would be "QML module not found"
[13:59] <didrocks> I think there should be no need to define QML_IMPORT_PATH for a default project using the desktop kit?
[13:59] <seb128> no, nothing should need to be changed
[13:59] <seb128> does it work if you qmlscene the .qml from the command line?
[13:59] <didrocks> yeah
[13:59] <didrocks> (with 1.1)
[14:00] <mhall119> didrocks: what kits do you have?
[14:00] <seb128> k, so not a package installation issue but a qtcreator env one
[14:03] <mcphail> I don't think you can target desktop with a 15.04 framework (and, by implication, qmake) yet...
[14:09] <didrocks> mcphail: well, it does run
[14:09] <mhall119> mcphail: you should be able to if you run 15.04 on your desktop
[14:09] <didrocks> mhall119: only the desktop one, as it's the desktop one used for code analysis
[14:09] <mhall119> didrocks: what's your QtCreator target, is it the desktop?
[14:09] <didrocks> yeah
[14:09] <mcphail> mhall119: are you sure? Someone had this conversation a week or so ago and it was said 15.04 doesn't have the 15.04 framework
[14:09] <mcphail> (on desktop)
[14:09] <mhall119> mcphail: I have ubuntu-sdk-15.04.framework on my desktop
[14:09] <seb128> works here (though I'm on wily now)
[14:09] <mhall119> so the components better all be there
[14:09] <mcphail> mhall119: ok - I took it as truth :)
[14:09] <didrocks> seb128: did you try the qmake project?
[14:09] <mhall119> mcphail: now if you were still on utopic it wouldn't work
[14:10] <seb128> didrocks, yes
[14:10] <mcphail> mhall119: no - it was someone on 15.04. There was a conversation about the frameworks not mayching the releases
[14:10]  * mcphail fears he may be spreading FUD
[14:10] <didrocks> seb128: grumph, dunno then… It's just a fresh one (I cleaned the qtcreator settings starting from scratch with the home move)
[14:10] <mhall119> mcphail: dunno then, maybe there was some context we're missing that explains it
[14:10] <mcphail> I've been avoiding qmake for that reason...
[14:10] <mhall119> oh
[14:10] <mhall119> oh!
[14:10] <mhall119> I think qmake didn't work with older components
[14:10] <mhall119> I think I remember that...
[14:10] <didrocks> mhall119: so, I should target 1.3?
[14:10] <didrocks> (I'm just using the default template…)
[14:25] <mhall119> didrocks: does 1.2 work?
[14:25] <mhall119> IIRC, it was that qmake required a newer framework target, though ubuntu-sdk-15.04 is still the newest
[14:25] <mhall119> bzoltan: zbenjamin: ^^ can you guys chime in on this?
[14:25] <didrocks> mhall119: no, 1.2 doesn't (same issue)
[14:25] <mhall119> didrocks: should have use qmlproject, much simpler :)
[14:25] <bzoltan> mhall119:  qmake project is supported only on 15.04 chroots
[14:25] <didrocks> mhall119: but the sdk team told it's deprecated for them
[14:25] <didrocks> bzoltan: ah, so code analysis won't work with it, right? What template should I use then?
[14:26] <bzoltan> didrocks:  not yet deprecated, but qmlproject has no build config... so it is a bit dumb
[14:26] <seb128> didrocks, just tried on a guest session on my laptop, picked "simple UI (qmake)", next, next, next, ctrl-R and it works here :-/
[14:26] <seb128> let me try on my test laptop to see
[14:26]  * didrocks does the same
[14:26] <danielbe> Hello. I would like to create a kit chroot for 14.10 on ubuntu 14.04. However, It fails with an error: "E: Unable to locate package qtsensors5-dev"
[14:26] <mcphail> bzoltan: qmake needs a 15.04 chroot, but can you target the 15.04 desktop with qmake? I believed (possibly wrongly) that the 15.04 desktop doesn't have the 15.04 framework and could use 1.2 components...
[14:26] <mcphail> *couldn'y
[14:26] <mcphail> aargh - typing bad again
[14:26] <bzoltan> mcphail:  of course you can
[14:26] <mcphail> my bad, then :)
[14:26] <bzoltan> mcphail:  the 15.04 desktop has 1.2 UITK, that is all the limitation
[14:26] <mcphail> ok - thanks. That is helpful
[14:26] <didrocks> seb128: doesn't here, it tells I have some issue with the typeinfo files (and that's the ubuntu sdk files)
[14:26] <didrocks> seb128: what version do you have? I added the release ubuntu-sdk ppas
[14:26] <seb128> the archive one
[14:26] <didrocks> maybe the issue comes from that
[14:26] <seb128> I bet it does
[14:26] <seb128> well, qmlscene works so it's weird
[14:26] <seb128> what target did you pick
[14:26] <didrocks> hum, qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-settings-components is the archive one
[14:26] <seb128> "Desktop"?
[14:26] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, Desktop
[14:26] <didrocks> I tried without a chroot though
[14:26] <seb128> weird that qmlscene from the command line works
[14:26] <seb128> does it work from a guest session?
[14:26] <bzoltan> seb128:  didrocks: remember that no runtime stuff comes from teh SDK PPA other then the QtCreator
[14:26] <seb128> bzoltan, qtcreator seems the issue, qmlscene from the command line doesn't have that import problem it seems
[14:26] <didrocks> seb128: see my answer above (I'm getting some invalid "typeinfo") issues
[14:26] <seb128> didrocks, you mean it's underlined in red and listing errors about missing versions etc?
[14:26] <didrocks> yeah
[14:26] <seb128> that's "normal"
[14:26] <didrocks> in the guest
[14:26] <didrocks> which is different from my user account
[14:26] <didrocks> normal?
[14:26] <seb128> doing the same for me on my different machines
[14:26] <seb128> in my normal sessions
[14:26] <didrocks> bzoltan: expected? ^
[14:26] <didrocks> seb128: so ok, I still have to figure out what's different on my user session then…
[14:26] <seb128> didrocks, is guest having the same problem?
[14:26] <seb128> on runtime I mean
[14:26] <seb128> but yeah, the qmltypes is missing the versions info
[14:26] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, runtime works
[14:26] <didrocks> on the guest
[14:26] <seb128> k
[14:26]  * didrocks really wonders what's on the user config
[14:26] <seb128> so something in your user profile...
[14:26] <didrocks> I'm happy to reset it and save it somewhere
[14:26] <didrocks> Mirv: bzoltan: what files should I purge to reset my qtcreator config? ^
[14:26] <didrocks> seb128: you did choose the 15.04 framework, right?
[14:26] <didrocks> not 14.10?
[14:26] <seb128> didrocks, no, "Desktop"
[14:26] <didrocks> Desktop is a target, not the framework that you choose when you create a project?
[14:26] <didrocks> this is before the "kit"
[14:26] <seb128> oh, right
[14:29] <seb128> yeah, "ubuntu-sdk-15.04"
[14:29] <seb128> on the framework combo at the bottom of the details page
[14:29] <didrocks> grumph, I just did retry without any luck
[14:29] <didrocks> ok, let's try randomely looking for files to remove
[14:29] <seb128> didrocks, try closing qtcreator, move ~/.config/QtProject away and restart it
[14:29] <seb128> didrocks, you might have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator/+bug/1135336
[14:29] <seb128> that's a fixed bug, but maybe you ran it in the past when it was buggy
[14:29] <didrocks> seb128: that did it! (the profile was cleaned from yesterday thugh :/)
[14:29] <didrocks> though*
[14:29] <didrocks> but yeah, now I have the "normal" error
[14:29] <seb128> did you start qtcreator before installing the sdk?
[14:29] <didrocks> and the app starts
[14:29] <seb128> maybe that misconfiguration bug still happens
[14:29] <seb128> k
[14:29] <seb128> so same than here :-)
[14:29] <didrocks> no, I didn't
[14:29] <didrocks> thanks seb128 :)
[14:29] <seb128> dunno how the config has been bugged then
[14:29] <seb128> yw!
[14:29] <didrocks> mhall119: do you recommend using 1.1 or 1.2? I guess the later? (but the template still references 1.1)
[14:29] <didrocks> and useDeprecatedToolbar
[14:32] <mhall119> didrocks: I'd recommend 1.1 if you can, that will support utopic which is what the Bq phones are still on
[14:32] <mhall119> if you switch to 1.2, just remove the useDeprecatedToolbar
[14:33] <bzoltan> didrocks:  ~/.config/QtProject/
[14:33] <didrocks> mhall119: ok, I think the app won't get out before the Bq phone will switch anyway, so it's fine to target it
[14:34] <didrocks> bzoltan: yeah, removing it did it. I'm just surprised because it's a new HOME directory from yesterday, so I wonder if the bug is really fixed
[15:30] <DS-McGuire> dholbach, I saw your post to G+ about the new design, I have another image almost ready if you want me to send it to you so you can add it to the article.
[15:31] <dholbach> sure
[15:31] <DS-McGuire> I will email it now.
[15:35] <DS-McGuire> dholbach, My apologies, it seems I have overwritten the work I did on a new page. I will start it again now and I will let you know when it's ready, sorry about that.
[15:35] <dholbach> ah damn... that sucks, having to recreate work :-/
[15:35] <dholbach> it has happened to me so many times
[15:37]  * balloons left questions on the list
[15:40] <dholbach> thanks balloons
[15:40] <dholbach> I'll reply to them tomorrow
[15:40] <dholbach> now it's dinner time over here - see you guys tomorrow - I'll check mails later on again
[15:47] <DS-McGuire> It does suck :(
[16:31] <popey> mhall119: do you know if ubuntu-html5-app-launcher can run full screen? (no title bar) ?
[18:56] <aquarius> mhall119, I'm pretty sure it's pronounced bay-oo-no, although beuno can confirm :)
[19:03] <mhall119> popey: doesn't it require a setting in the .desktop file?
[19:04] <popey> mhall119: i have no idea!
[19:04] <popey> mhall119: can you test the dontcrash game in the store if you get 5 mins :)
[19:04] <mhall119> will it crash my phone?
[19:04] <popey> No, it "don't" crash
[19:04] <popey> its just a silly game.
[19:05] <mhall119> aquarius: in my head it's always "bueno", because he's such a good guy who implements all the features I ask for ;)
[19:08] <mhall119> popey: no fair, he changed right before we met :(
[19:08] <mhall119> got to level 7
[19:08] <popey> haha
[19:08] <popey> that works then
[19:08] <popey> yeah, i may have to tweak that
[19:09] <mhall119> did the same thing again at level 7
[19:09] <mhall119> the trick is to ignore your own car
[19:09] <popey> 8 is my high score
[19:09] <beuno> aquarius, you are correct
[19:09] <mhall119> just watch the yellow one, and click the screen whenever it crosses the white line
[19:10] <aquarius> yay! I remember having it patiently explained to me a few years back :)
[19:10] <mhall119> except when it crosses as it's passing you, and there's nowhere to go
[19:10] <mhall119> popey: graphics remind me of MvM, it's quite nice
[19:16] <mhall119> ubuntu-sdk-15.04 API docs have been published!
[19:16] <mhall119> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/
[19:36] <DS-McGuire> mhall119, Thank you so much for the Testimonial! :D
[19:37] <mhall119> DS-McGuire: thank *you* so much for your contributions :)
[19:37] <DS-McGuire> mhall119, Not a problem :)
[19:37]  * DS-McGuire goes red
[20:00] <DS-McGuire> mhall119, Is it too late to put my name down for the Ubuntu membership meeting tomorrow?
[20:02] <mhall119> DS-McGuire: that's up to the membership board
[20:03] <DS-McGuire> mhall119, Okay then, thanks :)
[20:16] <bzoltan> mhall119: \o/
[20:22] <mivoligo> is there a way to set an app in the store to be only available for a specific Ubuntu version?
[20:44] <DS-McGuire> mivoligo, Phone or desktop?
[20:44] <mivoligo> DS-McGuire: phone
[20:45] <DS-McGuire> mivoligo, Why are you targeting a certain version? (If you don't mind me asking)
[20:46] <mivoligo> DS-McGuire: well, turns out my app does not work well on the devel version, so I want to limit it for now
[20:47] <DS-McGuire> mivoligo, Ah. Well surely that is to be expected on the devel version. However I do not know of a way to only target the stable channel.
[20:49] <mivoligo> DS-McGuire: yeah, I only see option to limit availability by country
[20:51] <DS-McGuire> mivoligo, Well I surely haven't seen any way to limit it. I honestly believe though that you shouldn't hold back the app because of the devel branch. The devel is constantly changing and breakages will happen. It's like when they introduced the new headers to devel and it broke a few apps.
[20:52] <mivoligo> DS-McGuire: the app is already in the store but I just wanted to make everyone happy :) or rather don't make anyone unhappy ;)
[20:57] <DS-McGuire> mivoligo, I like that attitude! :D Perhaps put a disclaimer in the description? BTW, what's the app?
[20:59] <mivoligo> DS-McGuire: Timer
[21:00] <DS-McGuire> mivoligo, Ah your app is Timer! It looks great :D
[21:00] <mivoligo> DS-McGuire: thanks :)
[21:45] <mcphail> sturmflut2: ping
[21:52] <mcphail> Can anyone point me in the right direction? I've been looking at sturmflut's sdl template at https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template . I can build the click, but when I run it on my phone I get an apparmor="DENIED" in my dmesg. It seems the run.sh script doesn't have permission to run. What do I need to tweak to give it permission? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232605/
[21:53] <mcphail> I presume I have to add the appropriate policygroup to the .apparmor file?
[23:31] <mcphail> Actually, forget that. It is a red herring


[00:14] <rabbitnightmare> wow first my desktop icons disappear and now my sound died
[00:14] <rabbitnightmare> yall need to work on things before releasing them in such a broken state
[00:14] <Gambino> haah
[00:14] <rabbitnightmare> jesus christ
[00:14] <Gambino> HAHAH
[00:15] <rabbitnightmare> Gambino whats so funny?
[00:15] <Gambino> Your comment
[00:15] <rabbitnightmare> this is an lts release and everything breaks
[00:15] <enigma9o7[m]> rabbit if i were you i'd demand a refund
[00:15] <sarnold> please do file bugs on the things that broke before returning to 20.04
[00:15] <rabbitnightmare> everything broke within hours of using it
[00:16] <Gambino> Damn im sorry man
[00:16] <rabbitnightmare> I aint wasting my time, I am going back to Fedora
[00:16] <Gambino> That's horrible!
[00:16] <rabbitnightmare> by the way this is public now
[00:16] <rabbitnightmare> Ubuntu is garbage anymore
[00:16] <rabbitnightmare> what happened to the quality control?
[00:17] <Gambino> What is
[00:17] <rabbitnightmare> that everything in 22.04 is crashing hours after installation
[00:17] <Gambino> Why?
[00:17] <GrayGhost> it appares that the problems are from the release of Debian
[00:17] <rabbitnightmare> Gambino why? people need to know to steer clear of Ubuntu
[00:18] <rabbitnightmare> its broken trash
[00:18] <enigma9o7[m]> Well your help is truly apprecaited rabbit, thanks.
[00:18] <rabbitnightmare> idk test these things before releasing them to the public
[00:19] <rabbitnightmare> idk what to report or to whome
[00:19] <rabbitnightmare> an LTS release should not be this broken on release
[00:19] <sarnold> run 'ubuntu-bug <packagename>' for each package that you want to report a bug against
[00:19] <sarnold> then fill out the bug report
[00:19] <rabbitnightmare> idk what the package is called, I was watching a movie and BAM my sound died
[00:20] <Gambino> yo
[00:20] <rabbitnightmare> rebooted and it did not come back
[00:20] <sarnold> pulseaudio wouldn't be a bad first choice
[00:20] <rabbitnightmare> you expect me to know what that is?
[00:20] <rabbitnightmare> its broken fix it
[00:20] <rabbitnightmare> here is me reporting it
[00:20] <sarnold> no, this is you whining
[00:21] <sarnold> you reporting it would be running 'ubuntu-bug pulseaudio'
[00:21] <rabbitnightmare> isnt this the irc channel for Ubuntu?
[00:21] <sarnold> the *support* channel
[00:21] <enigma9o7[m]> this is for support, not bug reports.
[00:21] <rabbitnightmare> ok support it
[00:21] <rabbitnightmare> fix the bugs
[00:21] <rabbitnightmare> its broken
[00:21] <sarnold> stop this.
[00:21] <enigma9o7[m]> You havent asked for any help, just ranted.
[00:21] <rabbitnightmare> what help is there to ask for?
[00:21] <enigma9o7[m]> Once you fix it, then you'll be in a better position to report the bug tho.
[00:21] <rabbitnightmare> sound stopped working is not enough for you?
[00:22] <enigma9o7[m]> As you'll probably understand.
[00:22] <kostkon> !details
[00:23] <kostkon> well factoid's gone to waste, but for good reason
[00:24] <rrr> I've been trying to configure a bridge network to use with qemu but for some reason my configuration isn't right and I don't know how to troubleshoot it.
[00:24] <rrr> I have restored my internet, but quemu has none.
[00:25] <sarnold> rrr: the usual problem with bridges and networking is that you assign an IP to the *bridge*, not NICs on the bridge; moving the IP addresses around often causes the connection to drop
[00:36] <Kayron> Hello, I have a question - is there an issue with Ubuntu's "daily-live" images? They haven't been updated in about 3 weeks...
[00:36] <Kayron> before that, usually there'd be an updated iso image every day
[01:22] <Macer> hm
[01:22] <Macer> i noticed snapd firefox does a weird thing where it doesn't go back to a network drive properly when you save as
[01:22] <Macer> i just don't get the whole snap firefox thing heh
[01:23] <sarnold> can you even save as to a network drive with the snap?
[01:48] <cryocaustik> hey all - anyone have any success remote desktop'ing into Ubuntu from an iPad?
[01:50] <cryocaustik> I have xrdp running locally but cannot seem to get any RDP/VNC app to connect to the machine
[02:25] <Kilroy> hi, so I am running ubuntu desktop 22.04 on macbook air 2019, how do I get wifi to show up?
[02:26] <Kilroy> I can't find the drivers in the aditonal drivers app
[02:33] <Kilroy> https://webchat.aidhan.net/uploads/6f52fbead0d27023/image.png
[02:33] <Kilroy> here is ip a
[02:33] <Kilroy> https://webchat.aidhan.net/uploads/33b7e3c568fdd4d3/image.png
[02:33] <Kilroy> ifconfig
[02:41] <zxiion> anyone hiring out there?
[02:45] <jhutchins> zxiion: Somebody's hiring for something.  Most of the IT postings I've sene are laundry lists of skills for entry level pay.
[02:48] <Kilroy> cryocaustik personally if it was me, I would use a vnc server on the device, then setup a novnc web app
[02:52] <cryocaustik> Kilroy: any concerns with performance on it? I have not tried it personally but have seen a lot of mention of it being much slower?
[02:54] <Kilroy> depends on what you are going to be doing
[02:58] <arraybolt3> cryocaustik: When I used VNC, it worked, but it was laggy and choppy. Do you really need to remote in, or are you just trying to use the iPad as a RPi monitor?
[03:18] <arraybolt3> cryocaustik: Argh, I saw "iPad" and for some reason thought you were using Ubuntu on a Raspberry Pi... Sorry for the misunderstanding.
[03:58] <Simplar> I'm trying to install GeoGebra 6 from the official deb package to my Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS. However, the installation gets aborted due to an error of Ubuntu Software.
[03:58] <Simplar> Here's what it reads
[03:58] <Simplar> Failed to install geogebra-classic as download failed: E: https://mirrors.bfsu.edu.cn/ubuntu focal/universe amd64 libgconf-2-4 amd64 3.2.6-6ubuntu1 is not (yet) available (Certificate verification failed: The certificate is NOT trusted. The revocation or OCSP data are old and have been superseded. Could not handshake: Error in the certificate verification. [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 443])
[03:58] <Simplar> https://wiki.geogebra.org/en/Reference:GeoGebra_Installation#Other_GeoGebra_Classic_6_versions
[03:58] <Simplar> The soure
[03:58] <Simplar> source*
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> !info geobra-classic focal
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> !info geogebra-classic
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> Simplar: there's a snap for that package
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> Simplar: snap info geogebra-discovery
[04:03] <Simplar> lotuspsychje: why doesn't deb work then?
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> apt-cache doesnt see that package Simplar
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> so not officialy supported?
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> Simplar: if you encounter issues, contact the ppa maintainer?
[04:07] <Simplar> lotuspsychje: oh, I see!
[04:07] <Simplar> It's not the issue of my system
[04:10] <morganu> peacocktv refuses ubuntu. anything I can do?  Sorry, your linux settings are not supported
[04:56] <enigma9o7[m]> What is it?   Something proprietary you're tryin gin a browser?  Perhaps set your useragent to windows.
[05:34] <ynbxyl> what requires python3-cffi-backend package? Can it be removed?
[05:46] <arraybolt3> ynbxyl: I really would not recommend removing that - you'll lose stuff like SDDM, apport, and parts of xorg, which all seem pretty important.
[05:48] <arraybolt3> ynbxyl: On my system, if I try to remove that package, I'm told that all this stuff is also gonna get removed: https://pastebin.com/rFwnixCK
[05:53] <arraybolt3> ynbxyl: To give you an idea of how essential that package is, I opened up a VM, and removed the package. The apt command didn't even finish before my desktop vanished, the system failed to restart properly, and after a force reset, I have no graphical display. So... yeah, don't remove that.  Is there something that its conflicting with?
[06:06] <ynbxyl> because it's me who decide what should be installed in my system, not canonical
[06:09] <ynbxyl> so, i purged the ubuntu-release-upgrader-core and python3-cffi-backend was purged with it. My system does fine without that 'important' package
[06:09] <arraybolt3> ynbxyl: Interesting. On Lubuntu, removing it pretty much kills the system.
[06:12] <ynbxyl> only these packages were removed on my system https://pastebin.com/80c0kfXE
[06:14] <arraybolt3> ynbxyl: Ah, I see what's happening. You didn't remove the package, but you removed something that made your system think that it's no longer necessary (along with a bunch of other important-looking parts). If your system still works, great, but be careful should you ever try your hand with "sudo apt autoremove". I'll test to see what happens.
[06:15] <ynbxyl> of course i did autoremove afterwards
[06:15] <ynbxyl> still here
[06:16] <ynbxyl> but i'm not using ubuntu's de, never did. Its only the packaging system I need
[06:18] <arraybolt3> ynbxyl: Hmph. I went ahead and removed the packages on Ubuntu 22.04 (not Lubuntu), and it survived. Strange. Well, I guess if your system's working, then that's what matters. Just keep a live ISO flash drive in your top drawer for in the event something goes awry.
[06:20] <ynbxyl> the packages that were removed are only important for that release upgrader feature. The system should do fine without it
[06:23] <arraybolt3> ynbxyl: A lot of the packages that were removed were things that provide features to Python3 programs. So you might experience problems in the future if you're trying to use a Python script or application that expects those packages to exist (though if you get the application through apt it will probably reinstall whatever it needs). Other than that, I *think* you'll be OK.
[06:26] <arraybolt3> ynbxyl: Sorry for the initial warning - I'll know better next time and actually use the distro matching that of the person I'm talking to, rather than trying stuff on one distro and thinking it applies to another.
[06:28] <ynbxyl> no problem, just wanted to know if some undesired hidden effects could possibly happen if that cffi thingy got removed
[06:31] <arraybolt3> ynbxyl: In case you didn't know about this already, if you want to try potentially dangerous stuff but not risk your system, you can use virtual machines. They're like a computer within a computer. Just look up how to enable hardware virtualization on your system, enable it, then do "sudo apt install virt-manager", log out and log back in, and enjoy.
[06:35] <ynbxyl> arraybolt3: not all hidden effect could be caught with a vm. The system could still work but something could be not working properly
[06:37] <ynbxyl> remove libnss-mdns for instance and you wont notice no difference. But then mdns clients won't be able to resolve host names to ip. Subtle
[06:44] <arraybolt3> ynbxyl: True. But it's at least another layer of safety so you don't get hit with "Hey, where'd my desktop go?!" in the middle of a customization session. Also, you can use "apt-cache show <package_name>" to get an idea of what a package does before messing with it (for instance, I can tell that removing libnss-mdns will make me be unable to resolve any .local addresses - yikes for someone who does ssh raspberrypi.local every now and
[06:44] <arraybolt3> then).
[07:01] <mncheck> does gnome files in focal still use ~/.gnome2/keyrings/login.keyring ? I'm looking for a way to forget SMB credentials for a windows net share I bookmarked
[07:02] <mncheck> I see a file called ~/.local/share/keyrings/login.keyring, I guess this is the one I meant to ask in the previous line
[07:04] <fetial> I installed openVPN using a .sh but forgot that I had apache serving up a homepage
[07:04] <fetial> now i can't access the openvpn-as web control panel
[07:25] <fetial> how do i uninstall apache2? i tried but it still is holding on
[07:40] <beuys> Hello! I need to send 4 small images from my notebook to my Android phone. I'm in a cafe. No email proggy on my phone. Any ideas how to go about it?
[07:53] <arraybolt3> beuys: All of the easy ways to do this involve an online account of some sort (Google, Facebook, Reddit, GitHub, all would likely work). So I'm assuming you don't want to go this route, since you don't have email.
[07:54] <beuys> arraybolt3: I am trying wetransfer now. Not great, but it does not need an account.
[07:54] <arraybolt3> beuys: Oh, OK.
[07:55] <arraybolt3> beuys: If you end up not wanting to go through an online channel, you can use the Termux app to give you a miniature Linux environment on your phone.  Thanks for the suggestions!
[08:11] <weedmic> I am about to use dia, but... is there some simple programme to take a photo of a piece of equipment and put boxes with a part name and an arrow?
[08:19] <wez> weedmic: draw.io?
[08:19] <wez> gimp?
[08:28] <weedmic> tks
[08:41] <wez> 👍
[08:48] <idl0r> hey, is it intended to do a do-release-upgrade *-d* when upgrading from 20.04 LTS to 22.04 LTS? i'd have expected it to work without -d since it's described as development release?
[08:49] <pvh_sa> @idl0r, do-release-upgrade between LTS releases waits for the .1 release (i.e. 22.04.1) to come out - so that will be in a couple of months
[08:49] <idl0r> pvh_sa: ah! thanks!
[08:49] <pvh_sa> if you want to upgrade before then, -d is needed if I recall right
[09:00] <pvh_sa> hey there, since upgrading to 22.04 the systemd-oomd kills my browser processes from time to time.. it *looks* like random browser crashes but I notice the oomd messages in the logs.
[09:01] <pvh_sa> my laptop has 16 GB RAM but (like many people?) I have a ton of tabs open... I'm wondering how best to either (1) configure oomd to be less agggress ive or (2) have some kind of visual warning (a bit like the "you're almost out of disk space" ones) before the oomd goes and kills things
[09:02] <pvh_sa> in pre-22.04 days I'd periodically crash my laptop because of running out of RAM (e.g. run a big data analysis while having lots of tabs open) so I guess killing browsers is not an absolutely terrible thing (as they come back with most state preserved when I restart them)
[09:08] <pvh_sa> ah I see the Gnome folks are thinking about notifications on this -  https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/20649
[09:50] <arkanoid> I have an ubuntu-server installation where I had to install the gui component later on. Desktop (gnome) works, but video (both vga and hdmi) is limited to 1024x768 and graphic driver says it's llvmpipe
[09:50] <arkanoid> I am expecting to use intel igpu
[09:51] <arkanoid> but I'm failing to enable it
[09:56] <arkanoid> this is lshw for display https://termbin.com/k1k1
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> arkanoid: unclaimed means, no driver module loaded
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> arkanoid: you might best as in #ubuntu-server but im not sure -server is optimized for desktop purposes
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> *ask
[11:12] <arkanoid> lotuspsychje: thanks for the hint, but nobody seems interested in that matter in ubuntu-server, and possibly for good reasons
[11:22] <Maik> arkanoid: i doubt that. It's just a matter of people not being around.
[11:26] <arkanoid> Maik: what I don't understand is why the dri should be disabled by default in ubuntu server distribution. What if I want to encode or decode multimedia with the hardware encoder/decoder?
[11:27] <Maik> i don't know, i'm not a expert on those things
[11:29] <gordonjcp> arkanoid: that's a more specialised use case
[11:30] <arkanoid> gordonjcp: possibly yes, depends. Why disable some cpu capabilities while leaving others on, by default?
[11:30] <InPhase> arkanoid: The answer to such questions is usually "One less thing to go wrong" for a feature that wouldn't commonly be needed, but where ultra reliability is important.
[11:31] <arkanoid> non using an hardware capability and replacing it with software is a thing that can go wrong, you may end up finding it out only when problem scales big, and so when it's too late
[11:38] <arkanoid> I've been trying all the way I know to enable iGPU on ubuntu server, but it's refusing to do so. From a long time ubuntu desktop user, I'm finding how server edition is locked down a bit scary
[11:38] <arkanoid> it's not behaving as me, the administrator, is telling it do behave
[11:40] <arkanoid> lspci clearly shows the device as available: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 4c8b (rev 04)
[11:55] <arkanoid> lol, I'm having more success using archlinux docs to find ubuntu-server solution, that official docs
[11:57] <arkanoid> there's clearly a different output for "sudo dmesg | grep i915" on working ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server
[11:58] <arkanoid> working system: https://termbin.com/5lqrq , ubuntu-server: https://termbin.com/fwm0
[11:58] <arkanoid> but lsmod shows that i915 is loaded on both systems, so it might well be a module option?
[12:00] <arkanoid> /lib/firmware/i915 is populated with firmware files, so clearly the firmware is NOT loaded on ubuntu server
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:21] <arkanoid> solved. The gpu was too modern for lts 20.04 kernel. It works using https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle
[12:21] <arkanoid> I mean HWE
[13:03] <Itay> Hey dear people,
[13:03] <Itay> Im having trouble finding any docs or guides on autoinstall of ubuntu 20.04.4 server, partially with late-commands in user-data
[13:03] <Itay> simply writing the commands as you would in bash doesn't work,
[13:03] <Itay> for example: `sed -i -e 's/^#\?PasswordAuthentication.*/PasswordAuthentication yes/g' /target/etc/ssh/sshd_config`
[13:03] <Itay> to allow password auth in SSH doesn't work in 20.04.4, but worked in 20.04.2..
[13:03] <Itay> Any ideas?
[13:17] <BrianHechinger[m> Why can't I connect to mariadb as root on 22.04 with a fresh install of 10.6 straight out of the ubuntu repos?
[13:30] <leftyfb> BrianHechinger[m: sudo mysql localhost
[13:42] <Itay> hello
 "Brian Hechinger: sudo mysql..." <- I'm already root
[13:44] <leftyfb> BrianHechinger[m: ok, hen what happens when you just run "mysql"?
[13:45] <ens> hi folks i'm trying to do an upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04 on a fairly vanilla system. when i do: do-release-ugrade it says: "Checking for a new Ubuntu release\nThere is no development version of an LTS available.\nTo upgrade to the latest non-LTS development release\nset Prompt=normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades."
[13:46] <leftyfb> !ltsupgrade | ens
[13:46] <ens> thanks ubottu
[13:47] <ens> + leftyfb
 "Brian Hechinger: ok, hen what..." <- ```root@homer:/etc/mysql# mysql
[13:59] <BrianHechinger[m> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[13:59] <BrianHechinger[m> ```
[13:59] <BrianHechinger[m> s/```//, s/mysql//
[14:01] <leftyfb> BrianHechinger[m: can you try "sudo mysql" as a user, not root? Also, are you just running as I give it to you or are you adding in a user and prompt for password or are you connecting over remote?
[14:02] <BrianHechinger[m> somehow I boffed that paste. :-D
[14:02] <BrianHechinger[m> root@homer:/etc/mysql# mysql
[14:02] <BrianHechinger[m> is what's being run
[14:03] <BrianHechinger[m> there are no other users so let me add one
[14:04] <leftyfb> BrianHechinger[m: sorry, but we can only help with ubuntu here. If you don't have any users beyond root, then you're not running any official, supportable versions of ubuntu
[14:04] <BrianHechinger[m> it's 22.04
[14:04] <leftyfb> BrianHechinger[m: is it a VPS or some sort of droplet?
[14:04] <BrianHechinger[m> it's digitalocean who for some reason don't make a non-root user
[14:05] <leftyfb> right, it's droplet, a very customized version of ubuntu. Who knows what defaults they are setting
[14:06] <Itay> question regarding autoinstall on 20.04
[14:06] <Itay> in user-data, i configured network, with interface enp0s3 (default for autoinstall),
[14:06] <Itay> How do i change it to ens160 afterwards? late-commands don't seem to make a difference if i try to sed it
[14:15] <leftyfb> BrianHechinger[m: try "mysql_install_db"
[14:17] <thyriaen>  I am running ubuntu 22.04 and i notice something really strange happening - i have english keyboard layout selected in gnome3 but when i type ( also check with xev ) a german layout is used
[14:17] <thyriaen>  when i click "show keyboard layout it also does show the correct keys ( english ) being pressed
[14:23] <jhutchins> mysql -u <user> -p
[14:25] <leftyfb> jhutchins: that doesn't work on default installations anymore
[14:26] <leftyfb> well, not -uroot anyway
[14:26] <leftyfb> since there's no password, it uses the local authentication socket
[14:26] <leftyfb> I'm not so sure that's what's going on here though regardless
[14:27] <otisolsen70> How do I add keys for a specific PPA? (e.g. https://launchpad.net/~timescale) ?
[14:27] <otisolsen70> The key ID is 7CC0BD6EF6C3F6B8C74311AEBAA1EFC4E4A48BEB
[14:28] <otisolsen70> This does not work: apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 7CC0BD6EF6C3F6B8C74311AEBAA1EFC4E4A48BEB
[14:28] <otisolsen70> Fails with: gpg: failed to start the dirmngr '/usr/bin/dirmngr': No such file or directory
[14:29] <otisolsen70> I guess I am missing dirmngr
[14:30] <leftyfb> otisolsen70: dirmngr should be installed by default on ubuntu
[14:30] <otisolsen70> leftyfb, for some reason it is not. This is a minimal install. Maybe that is why
[14:30] <leftyfb> define minimal install
[14:31] <otisolsen70> leftyfb, I cannot define it. It was provided as an installed image on a hosting provider.
[14:32] <leftyfb> otisolsen70: that's called a customized image which we really cannot support here since they make customizations that severely impact our ability to properly support them
[14:32] <leftyfb> otisolsen70: case in point with not installing a basic tool like dirmngr
[14:32] <leftyfb> who knows what else they've changed/broken
[14:33] <otisolsen70> No idea. But installing dirmngr fixed it for me.
[14:34] <ens> i upgraded to 22.04 but now on boot it says: "ALERT: UUID=... does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" then puts me into busybox
[14:34] <ens> is there something i can check to fix it?
[14:34] <ens> it might be due to the fact that it's using UEFI
[14:45] <svip> Hello.  I am using Ubuntu Mint 20.04, trying to watch a video using vlc-pi from snap on a sshfs mounted directory, and I keep getting a permission denied.  I have tried to connect vlc-pi to all the snap connections that seem relevant, but it still refuses.
[14:45] <leftyfb> !mint | svip
[14:45] <svip> leftyfb: Do you know a channel for snap-related questions?
[14:45] <leftyfb> #snappy
[14:45] <svip> Thanks.
 "Brian Hechinger: try "mysql_inst..." <- It tells me i can't run that and i should run the upgrade script
[15:30] <anddam> howdy, searching "git-prompt.sh" on https://packages.ubuntu.com/ package contents yields no result
[15:30] <anddam> aren't git contrib scripts provided by any package?
[15:32] <ens> so i'm trying to run the installer now for 22.04. i'm selecting the old 20.04 partition's root as the / partition. which is /dev/mapper/isw_xxx_Volume1p5 . it says "The ext4 file system creation in partition #5 of Serial ATA RAID isw_xxx_Volume5 (stripe) failed."
[15:57] <urk> Got problems this morning.  Ubuntu flavor won't boot.  Didn't do anything to cause this.  Any ideas on what to do?
[15:57] <urk> I'm on my Android cell phone.
[16:09]  * bittin is watching the 22.04 Server webinar
[16:14] <enigma9o7[m]> Well urk, if you didnt do anything, then I guess its  a hardware failure.  Try another computer.
[16:15] <leftyfb> urk: start by giving the release of ubuntu, kernel version if you can get it and what errors you are getting
[16:18] <urk> leftyfb:  I only get a black screen, but get an error indicating something is wrong with the gnome display manager when entering Ctrl Alt F1 during boot.
[16:18] <leftyfb> urk: what ubuntu release and flavor?
[16:20] <leftyfb> urk: are you running PopOS?
[16:21] <urk> Latest Pop!_OS.  It's U unturned with an optimized gnome session for System76 Oryx Pro (Cleavo)
[16:22] <leftyfb> urk: it is not supported here.   There is nothing different from standard Ubuntu, and Pop doesn't offer support.
[16:24] <ogra> there are tons of differences to a standard ubuntu
[16:27] <leftyfb> urk: they are their own distro with their own repository, packages and applications. System76 does have their own support https://support.system76.com/
[16:29] <urk> I use the Ubuntu repository exclusively.  System76 people are nit technically trained, and hire a guy to optimize Cleavo with Ubuntu.
[16:29] <leftyfb> urk: good luck
[16:31] <leftyfb> urk: also, they run a completely different kernel
[16:31] <ogra> urk, PopOS's installer will install you a bootloader that is not considered ready for prime time by ubuntu ... PopOS uses a completely different kernel (directly build from mainline, missing all ubuntu (security) patches) ...
[16:31] <leftyfb> it's a LOT more than just the desktop
[16:31] <ogra> urk, if you have any issue with your boot there is nobody in here that can help you with your setup since this is PopOS' own thing
[16:32] <urk> ogra:  thanks
[16:33] <ogra> urk, also note that disabling the pop repos will not change what you have already install4ed on disk and it will likely break your install if you disable their repos since their modified packages will be replaced by ubuntu ones ... breaking their defaults
[16:33] <urk> ogra:   Is the Ubuntu boot loader more stable?
[16:34] <ogra> well, it exists for way longer ... and is more general purpose than systemd-boot (which is only for a certain set of HW (good enough for the HW PopOS supports))
[16:36] <ogra> either way, for support you really need to ask the guys that work with this setup ... nobody here will know about their modifications, defaults or even the bootloader setup, nothing of this is used in ubuntu
[16:36] <wildlander> hi. What do you use for multiboot pendrive/USBmemory ? (Yumi, Ventoy,...)
[16:36] <leftyfb> !ot | wildlander
[16:40] <wildlander> leftyfb, what channel in Libera should I ask this, then ? installation of ubuntu or other linuxOS is offtopic in here ?
[16:41] <enigma9o7[m]> I use Ventoy.
[16:41] <leftyfb> wildlander: #ubuntu-offtopic would be good for non-support related questions regarding software opinions, as the bot stated to you
[16:41] <wildlander> ok then
[16:41] <enigma9o7[m]> It works with Ubuntu and every other OS I've ever tried it with.
[16:42] <enigma9o7[m]> Not familiar with yumi.
[16:42] <wildlander> ok enigma9o7[m] , Ventoy seemed the right one to me too
[16:53] <rrr> can I enable a bridge adapter for qemu or any network device work with qemu from network-manager, somehow?
[16:55] <leftyfb> rrr: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-20-04-add-network-bridge-br0-with-nmcli-command/
[16:57] <rrr> Thanks I'll give that a tryp.
[17:04] <ens> so the ubuntu 22.04 installer fails to work with my raid array but the installer for 20.04 works. I think it is related to the fact that i'm using a bios software RAID setup for the disks.
[17:06] <leftyfb> ens: is it fakeraid?
[17:06] <ens> i think it is something like that. it's some kind of software raid not hardware raid.
[17:06] <leftyfb> disable it
[17:07] <rrr> that worked good, thanks leftyfb
[17:07] <ens> well it's running side by side with a windows install on the raid0 array so i don't think that's possible
[17:07] <leftyfb> ens: it's really only meant for Windows to take advantage of and is not a great way to do RAID
[17:08] <leftyfb> ah, raid0, so you don't really care about the data anyway so just disable it, wipe and reinstall everything
[17:15] <bancroft> when I pin a package by writing to /etc/apt/preferences.d/... with Pin-Priority: 1002. and I do a /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily install does that package still get upgraded if there's minor patches (symver) or what goes on there?
[17:19] <Guest8> hi
[17:25] <tomreyn> Guest8: hi there. in case you have a support question, just ask. :)
[17:29] <bancroft> is there a way to tell the last time a package was updated?
[17:30] <tomreyn> bancroft: apt logs what it does in /var/log/apt
[17:31] <leftyfb> bancroft: sudo grep <package name> /var/log/dpkg.log
[17:32] <tomreyn> there's both history.log, which is a log of what you asked it to do, and it went to do (but not the outcome of it), and term.log, which is what actually happened. but history.log is easier to read / parse
[17:32] <tomreyn> hmm, right, i guess /var/log/dpkg.log is actually a lot easier for this purpose
[17:36] <bancroft> tomreyn: still interesting, what's the eipp.log for?
[17:37] <bancroft> leftyfb: thanks :)
[17:53] <tomreyn> bancroft: i don't have eipp.log there
[17:54]  * bancroft shrugs
[17:54] <tomreyn> oh actually i have eipp.log.xz
[17:54] <tomreyn> not sure what this is generated by or what it stands for
[17:54] <bancroft> I can tell you it's a file that exists
[17:55] <leftyfb> bancroft: tomreyn: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/431784
[17:55] <tomreyn> i found ian.org/981728http://
[17:55] <tomreyn> i found https://bugs.debian.org/981728
[17:56] <bancroft> interesting
[17:56] <apt-get_> hello, are there any ubuntu LTS 20.04 -> 22.04 release notes? The only one I could find is for 21.10 -> 22.04
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | apt-get_
[17:56] <leftyfb> apt-get_: release notes are release notes, they don't make release notes as a comparison to all previous supported releases
[17:57] <bancroft> I mean, with a name like Jammy Jellyfish, who wouldn't want to upgrade right away
[17:58] <bancroft> I'll see myself out
[17:59] <apt-get_> I see, thanks leftyfb lotuspsychje
[18:00] <WeeBey> It's starting to get difficult to work with 22.04 with these gnome bugs. :(
[18:02] <WeeBey> oh wait. I could use xfce. brb
[18:02] <sada> how can i install wine32 arm64 ubuntu
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> you can wait till 22.04.1 until more bugs are resolved, but there will always be bugs around
[18:02] <jhutchins> !wine
[18:02] <WeeBey> lotuspsychje, true. But the save file dialogue is broken so I cannot save files.
[18:02] <WeeBey> brb
[18:08] <WeeBey> Yep. Save works in xubuntu
[18:08]  * WeeBey shakes head
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> did you file a bug about that WeeBey
[18:10] <WeeBey> I saw that there's a thread mentioned in the GTK website. I'm a bit of a noob so I'm not sure how to file a proper bug.
[18:11] <WeeBey> Related to: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4805
[18:12] <Crucifyy> save works fine for me. weird
[18:12] <WeeBey> Crucifyy, 22.02 + fresh install?
[18:13] <Crucifyy> 22.04 updated
[18:13] <WeeBey> Oh! So weird.
[18:13] <WeeBey> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4907
[18:13] <WeeBey> Happening on Arch as well
[18:14] <WeeBey> Wow, lots of people have this.
[18:19] <WeeBey> Is there a way for me to intall a later version of Ubuntu's gnome/desktop environment? Something more recent?
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> WeeBey: your bug is already known upstream, and chrome is not officialy supported on ubuntu, use chromium instead
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> WeeBey: as for your telegram, is that snap or the apt version affected?
[18:21] <WeeBey> lotuspsychje, It doesn't anything to do with chrome or telegram. It happens with any app that uses the save file dialogue. Eg., screenshots
[18:22] <WeeBey> I was trying to save a screenshot and tried 4 times and it would not save a file to the desktop. You can imagine that it's frustrating.
[18:22] <WeeBey> Same with trying to save files from Firefox (e.g, pdfs)
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> i didnt see an issue like that on my side
[18:23] <WeeBey> I'm just lucky, I suppose. :-)
[18:23] <ogra> the save dislog of snaps is a completely differnnt thing to native save dialogs from gtk apps
[18:23] <WeeBey> lotuspsychje, is there a way for me to check if I can install a newer version of ubuntu-desktop from an official repo?
[18:24] <WeeBey> ogra, interesting. Do they look the same?
[18:24] <ogra> if you see the issue with a snap it is likely that your xdg--desktop-portal bits are wrongly set up or you missing the right bits of it
[18:24] <enigma9o7[m]> `sudo apt update`
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> WeeBey: instead of chasing a newer gnome, best to investigate the root of your problem
[18:24] <WeeBey> lotuspsychje, I have been trying for days.
[18:24] <ogra> WeeBey, yes, but the function completely different (and require different dependencies and config settings)+
[18:25] <WeeBey> I deleted dconf user, tried a new user account, etc.
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> what ogra just stated seems a sane approach
[18:25] <WeeBey> Is the default firefox installation snap?
[18:25] <ogra> yes
[18:26] <ogra> is the telegram client you use a snap or did you pick to install the archive version ?
[18:26] <ogra> chrome indeed is not a snap (unless google changed that recently 🙂 )
[18:26] <WeeBey> It's a snap; although I haven't been saving files from it. The URL for that first GTK thread was the thread that led me to discover different versions of this issue.
[18:26] <Crucifyy> ogra: still not a snap, i just installed a day or 2 ago
[18:26] <WeeBey> ogra, I get it with Brave.
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> WeeBey: did you mess with your system anyhow after your fresh install?
[18:28] <WeeBey> lotuspsychje, I mean. I used it. Didn't mess with it, I don't think.
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> did you install anything special?
[18:28] <ogra> well, where does the xfce come from you just switched to above ?
[18:29] <WeeBey> lotuspsychje, but from the GTK site, it seems there's a lot of people with this issue in the last few days.
[18:29] <WeeBey> ogra, I had it before on 21.10
[18:29] <WeeBey> Didn't use. But also didn't have an issue with save files.
[18:29] <ogra> so your "fresh install" wasnt one ?
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:29] <WeeBey> I never said I had a fresh install.
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> a frankenxubuntu upgrade to jammmy?
[18:30] <WeeBey> Ok, it's my fault and that's why it also happens on Arch? It's a GTK 42 issue because of how window handling is done (changed). Not sure why it happens on some systems and not others.
[18:31] <WeeBey> Gnome* 42
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> WeeBey: try a real fresh install and see if you can reproduce
[18:32] <WeeBey> lotuspsychje, that would work for testing. But that would take quite some time and I don't think I can deal with the downtime of moving a mountain of my files right now. I wish I had more time and I would re-install everything from scratch.
[18:33] <WeeBey> https://gitlab.gnome.org/search?project_id=665&scope=issues&search=save+file
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> it would be nice to the volunteers next time, you state you running a mixed system in the front of your question WeeBey
[18:33] <WeeBey> The last 4 posts describe what I am seeing as well.
[18:35] <WeeBey> lotuspsychje, If I knew something is important to state, I would state it. I don't mean to omit to frustrate people. And I also come here to try to help if I can even if my experience is limited.
[18:36] <WeeBey> I had xfce sitting for months with no issue before.
[18:36] <WeeBey> So it didn't stand out as a possible red flag
[18:38] <WeeBey> From gnome.org thread: "The gtk4 package in Arch Linux has been updated to 4.6.3 and now contains the fix. Upgrade your system with sudo pacman -Syu and reboot"
[18:39] <WeeBey> This is why I was asking about possibly updating my own environment to something that is not yet available through regular "apt update & upgrade"
[18:39] <leftyfb> WeeBey: I would suggest a fresh install at this point or keep it and use it to present to the gnome team for bug fixing
[18:40] <WeeBey> leftyfb, I think the fix will come whenever the next version of the package is released for 22.04; it's just annoying to be trying to save files 4 times in the meantime.
[18:41] <leftyfb> WeeBey: I don't think there will be any sort of fix for this case. It sounds pretty your specific to your environment regardless of the reports you see on the gnome forum
[18:41] <ogra> WeeBey, if really that many people would see the issue there would be an outcry and some trending bug on launchpad .... i'm pretty sure there are already some million users on the official 22.04
[18:41] <WeeBey> ogra, good point. I will look on launchpad as well.
[18:42] <enigma9o7[m]> million?
[18:42] <enigma9o7[m]> wow.
[18:43] <leftyfb> WeeBey: if I had to guess, it's some issue with existing mixed environment you had and then upgraded. If there were to be a fix released, it would probably be in the upgrade process and how to deal with the dual environments as part of the upgrade process and won't actually fix anything after the fact
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> i got an xdg bug, but only affects browsers
[18:44] <WeeBey> leftyfb, I'll definitely try removing xfce
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> bug #1969821
[18:44] <ogra> yeah ...
[18:45] <WeeBey> at best, it will fix everything in my life. At worst, everything stops working and I reinstall fresh anyway.
[18:45] <ogra> WeeBey, well, that is unlikely to fix anything
[18:45] <leftyfb> WeeBey: I would be surprised if that makes a difference at this point. Thought it might have if you had done that before the upgrade based on my assumptions
[18:48] <WeeBey> Ok, I will try something so I need to disconnect and reconnect. I appreciate your input leftyfb and ogra and lotuspsychje
[18:52] <WeeBey> I backed up and removed ~/.config/gtk-*  I am now testing back in Ubuntu Desktop (x11) and it may be working.
[18:52] <WeeBey> May*
[19:36] <onio> Hi, I am trying to configure crosstool-ng but getting error "configure: error: Required tool not found: GNU bash >= 3.1"
[19:39] <onio> running on Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri) 64-bit
[19:40] <sarnold> https://github.com/crosstool-ng/crosstool-ng/blob/master/configure.ac#L178
[19:40] <onio> currently running GNU bash, version 5.1.8(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
[19:41] <sarnold> https://github.com/crosstool-ng/crosstool-ng/blob/0528a9d744cc95aac3df40d5a1666f0a1051cf5d/m4/ctng_version_check.m4#L55  cripes that's not very easy to read :)
[19:44] <Sven_vB> hi :)
[19:45] <Sven_vB> I'm looking for a program for Ubuntu focal with xfce, that allows me to define a keyboard button for toggling a hold of all other keyboard/mouse buttons currently held. any ideas?
[19:46] <arraybolt3> Sven_vB: While your question is on-topic in this channel, you might have better chances over in #xubuntu.
[19:47] <matsaman> Sven_vB: why would you need that, out of curiosity?
[19:47] <matsaman> are you trying to fix weird broken hardware, or something else?
[19:49] <Sven_vB> matsaman, nope, a graphics program that isn't optimized for running on such slow computers. basically I need to hold 3 keys while moving the pointer very slowly.
[19:50] <matsaman> Sven_vB: oh oh I see
[19:50] <matsaman> Sven_vB: I would check with xdotool first
[19:50] <matsaman> without bothering to try and "train" it which keys to hold -- instead just telling it which
[19:51] <Sven_vB> yeah I was thinking of baking my own tool, but I hope someone else already made something. the "three keys" are actually one of about 15 combinations of up to 3 keys, so I need an easy way to tell xdotool which combo to hold. scanning the currently held keys seems a good enough way if there is a program already.
[19:52] <matsaman> Sven_vB: okay, well, there should be something even for that
[19:53] <matsaman> Sven_vB: some ideas here: https://superuser.com/questions/1467133/detect-keys-already-pressed-at-the-time-script-starts
[20:08] <onio> sarnold: both files, ctng_version_check.m4 and configure.ac are identical to what I have. I am currently using a git repo. I am on master
[20:19] <sarnold> onio: I got distracted; I never did figure out what exactly is being executed or read to find the bash version string..
[20:20] <jhutchins> bash -v?
[20:21] <onio>  currently running GNU bash, version 5.1.8(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
[20:23] <sarnold> jhutchins: I *think* bash --version https://github.com/crosstool-ng/crosstool-ng/blob/0528a9d744cc95aac3df40d5a1666f0a1051cf5d/m4/ctng_version_check.m4#L21
[20:47] <arraybolt3> Hey, can anyone tell me if Startup Disk Creator in Kubuntu and Lubuntu checks the bootable flash drive it creates to ensure that the data hasn't been corrupted?
[20:49] <oerheks> yes, i think it runs a checksum
[20:50] <arraybolt3> oerheks: Thanks, that's what I needed to know!
[20:55] <Kilroy> so I asked about this yesterday, anybody have any idea on how to get a Broadcom BCM4355 wifi card built into a macbook air 2019, running ubuntu 22.04 to work?
[20:55] <Sven_vB> matsaman, will read, thanks!
[20:56] <matsaman> 👍
[20:57] <matsaman> Kilroy: 4355?
[20:58] <oerheks> weird number indeed
[20:58] <oerheks> anyway, try it live, and if it does not work OOTB, look into additional drivers in the update settings
[20:59] <oerheks> i think you want 4350
[20:59] <matsaman><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:59] <matsaman> does seem uncommon
[20:59] <matsaman> https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux/issues/112
[21:04] <Kilroy> yes matsaman that ist he number
[21:04] <Kilroy> *is the
[21:05] <RoadRunner> created a new data partition, added it to fstab with option 'defaults' yet it loads as 'read only'; how to change it to read write?
[21:06] <matsaman> RoadRunner: what's the FS?
[21:06] <RoadRunner> matsaman: ext4, here is the entire line for that fs in fstab: UUID=xxx...yyy /media/abc/Data ext4 defaults  0  2
[21:07] <matsaman> and what says it's read-only?
[21:07] <arraybolt3> kilroy: This is a hacky workaround, but if you own a Raspberry Pi, you can install Raspbian on it, replace dhcpcd with NetworkManager, then use nmtui to connect to WiFi and set the Ethernet connection as "shared". You can now plug an Ethernet cable into the Pi and plug the other end into your Macbook (you might need an adapter to do this), and have Internet. I'm using a similar setup to connect my desktop to WiFi.
[21:07] <matsaman> I have done that with so many laptops via live OSes =P
[21:08] <Kilroy> nope don't have a pi, and I would prefer not the be teahtered, I would like wifi to work
[21:08] <RoadRunner> matsaman: can't create a new document or copy anything to it; properties show it as read only
[21:08] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: This is probably an ext4 permissions issue. If you're fine with the new partition being world readable and world writable, do "sudo chmod 0777 /media/abc/Data" in a terminal and you should be good to go.
[21:09] <Kilroy> I also don't see anything in the additional drivers tab, it says no additional drivers available
[21:09] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: would I need to type that in terminal after every boot or just once?
[21:10] <arraybolt3> Kilroy: Well, it's at least a stop-gap until you get the real WiFi working, and you can use any laptop that has working WiFi and an Ethernet port to do the same thing. Obviously less than ideal, but if you need Internet pronto...
[21:10] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: Nope, only needs to be run once.
[21:10] <Kilroy> but once I have internet how do I get wifi working?
[21:10] <matsaman> RoadRunner: yes as arraybolt3 suggests, it could be an FS issue rather than a mounting issue (even if you can sometimes mount for a particular user via fstab)
[21:11] <Kilroy> and I dont have an adaprer I can use
[21:11] <matsaman> RoadRunner: just be careful with chmod & chown, especially recursively, on existing data. On empty paths it's much less of an issue
[21:12] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: by 'world readable/wriable' do you mean all users on that comp or from outside as well?
[21:13] <Kilroy> on the computer, https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/chmod-command-linux-file-permissions/
[21:13] <arraybolt3> Kilroy: It looks like if you're willing to fight with MacOS, you can extract needed firmware files from it: https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux/issues/112#issuecomment-524576908 No clue how to do that, but that's what I gather from this random GitHub thread someone else posted here.
[21:14] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: World-readable and writable means every user on your computer will have access to it. So if your computer is shared by you and your roommate and you use different user accounts, you'll both be able to access it.
[21:15] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: Getting it to be readable by arbitrary people on the Internet would take quite a bit more effort, and since you obviously don't want to do that, I won't put any details here. A chmod won't do that.
[21:18] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: and what would I need to do to make that partition writable only by a specific user?
[21:22] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: Set the partition's ownership to your user, and set the permissions differently. I'm doing some experimenting, I'll have a good answer for you in just a bit...
[21:22] <Kilroy> so do I just copy the files over or what do I do?
[21:23] <arraybolt3> Kilroy: No clue. I think it's just copy the files, but part of that thread looks like it might require you to compile your own kernel or something weird. I really don't know enough to be of much help, since I don't own a Mac-anything, so...
[21:24] <Kilroy> well I am not going to want to compile my own kernel
[21:25] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: "chown <username>:<username> /media/abc/Data; chmod 0700 /media/abc/Data"
[21:25] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: Replace <username> with your username (mine is just "user").
[21:25] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: This will give only just you read and write permissions, and will lock everyone else out.
[21:26] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: If you want to give other people read permissions, but not write permissions, change the "0700" to "0744" in the chmod command.
[21:27] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: And if there's executable programs in there that people other than you need to be able to run, change "0700" to "0755" in the chmod command.
[21:29] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: there is a semicolon in your syntax, that is not a typo (just want to be sure...)?
[21:29] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: True, not a typo. I put two commands on the same line, the semicolon separates them.
[21:30] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: Bash will recognize the semicolon as a command separator.
[21:31] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: so both commands can be entered on the same line, sepparated by ";" exactly as shown and bash is ok with that, correct?
[21:31] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: True.
[21:32] <RoadRunner> thank you :)
[21:32] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner. If you're concerned about others messing with your computer, you should be advised that anyone can read anything on your system by booting it from a live ISO.
[21:32] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: And if they know about recovery mode, they can get in without a live ISO.
[21:33] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: I would suggest using LUKS encryption to keep your data safe (your partition manager should be able to do that). This will keep anyone from getting into your data without a password, no matter what fancy tricks they may use.
[21:34] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: so booting from a live ISO, will give "write" access and only encrypting a partition can protect it fully?
[21:35] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: True. If you boot from a live ISO, you can do "sudo su -" in a terminal without a password and have full access to everything unless you use encryption.
[21:35] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: got it, thank you for the detailed help!
[21:35] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: What's your potential adversary? Are you worried that someone is going to steal your computer and break into it, or are you just concerned about a not-so-tech-savvy roommate or something?
[21:36] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: just trying to learn and cover as many issues as possible if possible
[21:37] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: the later scenario is more likely I suppose
[21:39] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: but to be sure I understand the more complex alternative, could you explain or direct me regarding LUKS encryption?
[21:40] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: Happy to help! Also, keep in mind that if you're in a situation where someone might really try to go for the guts of your system, while encryption will keep your data safe, it won't keep someone from planting malicious junk into your boot process, so if you want to do paranoid-level security, encrypt everything, and if your system has poteitially been tampered with, reinstall Ubuntu and restore your data from backups. (This
[21:40] <arraybolt3> is probably way overkill, but just to be thorough, there it is.)
[21:40] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: There should be an "Encrypt system" checkbox in Ubuntu when you're installing it.
[21:41] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: For the additional partition, there should be a button that lets you enable encryption while you're partitioning the disk. Let me dig that button up real quick...
[21:44] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: don't know if it helps, but I am using Xubuntu 20.04 and partition with G-Parted
[21:44] <onio> in crosstool-ng/m4/ct_version_check.m4 if I add the CTNG_MSG_LOG($ver) between line 21 and 22 should I see the contents of the ver variable?
[21:46] <leftyfb> onio: you really be reaching out to the software vendor for support customizing/fixing and the requirements in getting it compiled
[21:47] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: Oddly, GParted doesn't support creating encrypted partitions. :-( But KDE Partition Manager does, and if you have GNOME Disks, that works, too.
[21:47] <onio> leftyfb, I tried crosstool-ng irc and did not get any response. I have been stuck on this for some good hours now
[21:48] <leftyfb> onio: I'm aware, but this isn't an issue with ubuntu
[21:48] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: Also, GNOME Disks appears to manage file system permissions for you, so you won't have to fight with chown and chmod.
[21:48] <morganu> I try to dl 22.04 with torrent from the ubuntu site and get "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker"
[21:49] <morganu> What? Why? How can this fail?
[21:49] <morganu> I am running 20.04
[21:50] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: so what encryption/partitioning app would you say is the best fit for Xubuntu?
[21:50] <morganu> wait sorry remover that. It changed.
[21:50] <onio> leftyfb, sure I am only here out of desperation. Thanks anyway
[21:51] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: If you can get GNOME Disks, that would be the easiest way to go.
[21:51] <leftyfb> onio: https://github.com/crosstool-ng/crosstool-ng/issues
[21:52] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: just hope it isn't too huge (Xubuntu, XFCE, keeping things small...)
[21:53] <arraybolt3> RoadRunner: "sudo apt install gnome-disk-utility" - It should tell you how large it is before it installs, and if it's really tiny, it will just proceed with the install without confirmation.
[21:54] <RoadRunner> arraybolt3: awesome, thank you again :)
[21:54] <arraybolt3> 👍
[21:55] <jhutchins> Actually, proceed without confirmation is usually when it's a single package with no dependencies, regardless of size.
[22:01] <onio> leftyfb: Thanks once again
[22:08] <RoadRunner> does 22.04 support GTK2?
[22:21] <RoadRunner> I understand that support for GTK2 was dropped after 16.04 but perhaps due to issues with GTK3, it was reintroduced later - in 22.04?
[22:25] <jhutchins> RoadRunner: That sounds like a web site/wiki question.
[22:28] <Sbur3> I'm using KDE partition manager.  I try to access a partition and get this message in return ... "An error occurred while accessing 'Home', the system responded: The requested operation has failed: Error mounting /dev/sdb2 at /media/steve/9fe5897c-4a83-494e-844b-bce70d723b7a: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb2, missing codepage or helper program, or other error"
[22:28] <Sbur3> Any ideas as to if I can recover and instructions as to how to proceed?
[22:28] <therealdeal> does anybody know why mednaffe is so buggy on ubuntu 22.04?
[22:29] <oerheks> We are making the transition to GTK4, with gnome42. 2 will be available i guess.. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0
[22:29] <jhutchins> Sbur3: Remind us how big the drive is, and whether you're trying to recover data that's on the drive.
[22:32] <Sbur3> 4tb hard drive sata. The partition I'm trying to recover is 2.96tb. There is also a 696gb partition that I made after resizing the previously 3.81tb partition that is now the 2.96
[22:33] <matsaman> Sbur3: well don't jumpt to conclusions
[22:33] <matsaman> Sbur3: that error on its own doesn't mean your partitions are gone
[22:33] <matsaman> Sbur3: if you decide they are, look at testdisk
[22:34] <Sbur3> matsaman I'm not saying that it is lost. But I need help making 2.96 accessible. I plan on transferring the data from 2.96 onto the 696gb.
[22:35] <matsaman> Sbur3: what FS do you think it is?
[22:35] <Sbur3> matsaman ... kde partiton manager says that it is a ext4
[22:36] <Sbur3> matsaman, I am curious what bufs is in terms of a file system type
[22:37] <matsaman> 'b-u-f-s'?
[22:37] <matsaman> never heard of it, where're you seeing it?
[22:37] <Sbur3> matsaman, that's a future question
[22:37] <matsaman> oh ok
[22:38] <matsaman> Sbur3: what does 'sudo mkdir /mnt/test; sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/test' say?
[22:38] <RoadRunner> oerheks: you mentioned gnome; would I need a specific package to access GTK2 functionality from under Xubuntu 22.04 (XFCE)?
[22:40] <Sbur3> sudo mkdir /mnt/test sudo mount /dev/sdb2/mnt/test
[22:40] <Sbur3> mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/dev/sdb2/mnt/test’: Not a directory
[22:41] <dilyn> you're missing a space
[22:41] <dilyn>  /dev/sdb2 /mnt/test
[22:41] <dilyn> also probably should be a semicolon or something between the mkdir... & sudo... ?
[22:42] <Sbur3> dilyn A space?
[22:42] <oerheks> RoadRunner, maybe it is the same package?
[22:43] <dilyn> sbur3 ...yes...?
[22:43] <dilyn> `mkdir /mnt/test && mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/test`
[22:43] <Sbur3> dilyn ... could you send the exact command line so I can copy it and give the resonse?
[22:44] <RoadRunner> oerheks: I wonder if it will work without the Gnome infrastructure just under XFCE?
[22:44] <oerheks> go ahead ant try it out, i am not into supporting old gtk stuff, it might be not wrking at all
[22:45] <dilyn> sudo mkdir /mnt/test && sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/test
[22:46] <dilyn> `sudo` because `/mnt` is owned by root & mounting requires root permissions
[22:46] <dilyn> `mkdir` because `/mnt/test` doesn't exist and `mount` requires a target directory
[22:46] <dilyn> `&&` because the second command (`mount ...`) requires the first command (`mkdir ...`) to succeed
[22:46] <dilyn> `mount` requires two arguments, the object to mount (in this case, the block device b's second partition) and the directory to mount to (`/mnt/test`)
[22:47] <Sbur3> sudo mkdir /mnt/test && sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/test
[22:47] <Sbur3> mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/mnt/test’: File exists
[22:48] <dilyn> so just do sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/test
[22:48] <dilyn> or replace the && with ;
[22:49] <Sbur3> dilyn I did the command without the semicolon but with &&. Then I typed cd /mnt/test
[22:49] <Sbur3> and it worked
[22:56] <Sbur3> dilyn But does that indicate that I can open the 2.96 (sdb2) partition for other things?
[22:56] <jhutchins> Sbur3: Is your data there?
[22:56] <jhutchins> in /mnt/test?
[22:57] <Sbur3> cd /mnt/test
[22:57] <Sbur3> /mnt/test$
[22:57] <jhutchins> cd /mnt/test just means that the mount point is there, it says nothing about the mount.  If you actually gave the mount command and didn't get an error, then there should be someting _in_ /mnt/test.
[22:58] <arraybolt3> Sbur3: What's "ls" do at this point?
[22:58] <arraybolt3> Sbur3: As in, run "ls" while you're in /mnt/test. This will show you if there's data in there.
[22:58] <Sbur3> just comes back to the same command prompt
[22:58] <arraybolt3> Sbur3: OK, then "ls /mnt/test".
[22:58] <Sbur3> nothing in /mnt/test
[22:59] <jhutchins> Sbur3: This means either you didn't mount it or there's nothing there.
[22:59] <jhutchins> Sbur3: df should list the mount if it exists.
[22:59] <oerheks> ' mount'  would show too
[22:59] <arraybolt3> Sbur3: "sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb2 /mnt/test"
[22:59] <jhutchins> oerheks: Yeah, but these days there's more garbage than info from mount.
[23:01] <arraybolt3> Sbur3: If you're really sure that you can't access your home partition, go get a big external hard drive (6+ TB) and make a disk image of your wonky drive using "dd" before doing ANY data recovery operations on the drive.
[23:02] <arraybolt3> Sbur3: If your disk is in "my data is gone" mode, anything you do to try to recovery data might work - or it might mess up whatever data's left even worse. Having a full disk image of the entire hard drive will enable you to try again if you accidentally destroy your data trying to recover it.
[23:03] <Sbur3> the partition manager seems to see sdb2. But the 'mount" command showed sdb3 and sdb4, but not sdb2. sdb4 is the 696
[23:04] <arraybolt3> Sbur3: And doing "sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/test" doesn't result in /mnt/test containing all your data?
[23:04] <Sbur3> But there isn't a command line to toggle something to tell whatever that I can open a window on 2.96 to copy it's data onto 696?
[23:05] <arraybolt3> Sbur3: If the "mount" command isn't mounting the partition, something is dreadfully wrong with your disk.
[23:06] <arraybolt3> Sbur3: If you aren't able to get into your data with the mount command, don't do anything else to that disk (not even on the partition that works). Immediately unmount EVERYTHING, and make a full disk image. This drive should be able to hold a disk image of your entire drive: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-5tb-external-usb-3-0-portable-hard-drive-black/6406512.p?skuId=6406512
[23:07] <arraybolt3> Sbur3: (By "unmount everything", I mean everything on the wonky drive.)
[23:08] <Sbur3> I think that I accidently did something during the resizing of 3.81 to become 2.96. And I tried to resize it to 2.86, as it said that there was 2.81 of stuff on sdb2
[23:09] <arraybolt3> Sbur3: Shrinking partitions can cause serious problems. I've destroyed an NTFS partition once by trying to resize it.
[23:10] <arraybolt3> Sbur3: I know my suggestions sound overkill, but at this point, it boils down to, do you care about the data or not? If you do care about the data, you MUST make a full disk image of the drive **before** writing any further data to it. If you don't, everything you do on that drive might be destroying more of your data.
[23:11] <Sbur3> Ok. I'll do that. But not today. I live in Belgium and getting a 6tb isn't as easy as it is in the US
[23:11] <Sbur3> Thanks for your counsel.
[23:12] <Sbur3> I'll be back as soon as I can
[23:12] <Sbur3> Bye
[23:12] <arraybolt3> Sbur3: Sure, no problem. So sorry this is happening - I get how stressful data loss and recovery can be.
[23:12] <ravage> https://www.amazon.de/Elements-Desktop-externe-Festplatte-abw%C3%A4rtskompatibel/dp/B077RV4ZLY delivers to Belgium. just saying :P
[23:17] <jhutchins> arraybolt3: Probably best to start with the basics like fdisk to list the partition and make sure it's sdX2, then mount that partition and see if there's data.  Nothing that's been done so far has shown that.
[23:18] <jhutchins> oerheks: Yeah, but these days there's more garbage than info from mount.
[23:18] <jhutchins> oerheks: Yeah, but these days there's more garbage than info from mount.
[23:18] <jhutchins> Gahj
[23:18] <jhutchins> Instructions on how to recover lost data are way out of sequence at this point.
[23:18] <blugreen> hi all.just did an update/updgrade/restart in ubuntu 18,after reboot the wifi adapter went missing.the device is in lsusb but not in ifconfig.. any tips ?
[23:21] <InPhase> blugreen: Is it in ifconfig -a
[23:22] <blugreen> InPhase, not there
[23:22] <Kilroy> is this info helpful? if I don't get this issue fixed I am going to have to reinstall mac os :(
[23:22] <Kilroy> [0280]: Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM4335 802.11ac Wireless LAN SoC [14e4:43dc] (rev 0c)
[23:23] <InPhase> blugreen: Oh, well, then there's an issue.
[23:23] <Kilroy> blugreen what type of computer?
[23:24] <blugreen> the missing adapter was not plug n play in ubuntu 18.04 PC desktop,i have to install the drivers manually (successfully) but after the update it went missing
[23:25] <Kilroy> what drivers did you have to install to get it to work? (I am also having a drivers issue so I am trying to figure it out my self)
[23:28] <InPhase> blugreen: I don't know exactly what you need to do, but I would start that problem by googling a discernible product identifier from lsusb, "linux", and the first two digits of the kernel version written like "5.15"
[23:29] <InPhase> blugreen: Your ubuntu version might work as well, but it's probably a kernel issue if it's not in "ifconfig -a".
[23:30] <InPhase> blugreen: Kernel version is identifiable in "uname -r"
[23:30] <blugreen> InPhase, i guess i have to reinstall it,ubuntu wont get busted further by installing the drivers again? is there such a thing as double drivers or will it overwrite them
[23:30] <InPhase> I don't think you need to worry about double drivers.
[23:31] <blugreen> ayt,tnx inphase & all :P
[23:33] <blugreen> is it normal in ubuntu 18.04's notfications to go all missing even if 1 was just selected ?
[23:36] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: Sbur3 explained that KDE Partition Manager was telling him what disk was what, and it specifies the sdXY thing. However, you do have a good point, and I'll try to remember that. Thank you!
[23:41] <arraybolt3> blugreen: You might try opening Software Sources, going to Additional Drivers, and see if your WiFi card is listed in there. I had to do that the other day on a system with a Broadcom card.
[23:42] <arraybolt3> blugreen: You might discover that the Additional Drivers dialog doesn't allow you to install the drivers from there (I think there's a bug in it), but it should tell you a package name that you should be able to install with "sudo apt install <package>" and be good to go (if your system can figure out what driver it needs).
[23:45] <Bashing-om> !bcm | Kilroy = Proprietary driver:
[23:45] <blugreen> arraybolt3, software sources is not in settings gui anymore unlike in 16,where did the relocate it in 18 ?
[23:45] <blugreen> *they
[23:46] <arraybolt3> blugreen: Try doing a search for "Software Sources" in the application menu.
[23:47] <blugreen> no propriety drivers are in use
[23:47] <arraybolt3> blugreen: If that doesn't work, try running "sudo software-properties-gtk" in a terminal, and if that doesn't work, try "sudo software-properties-qt".
[23:47] <arraybolt3> blugreen: Crud. What brand is your card?
[23:48] <blugreen> RTL8188FTV
[23:48] <blugreen> also the mtu settings is not on the gui of wifi anymore,forgot the cli version to access the gui of mtu,do u happen to know it
[23:49] <arraybolt3> blugreen: I think you're looking for "nmtui".
[23:50] <blugreen> not that version,in ver16 : mtu can be change in a gui of the connected wifi,but on ver18 it has to be access first on cli then gui
[23:51] <InPhase> blugreen: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=295485
[23:51] <blugreen> the terminal command has nm on it,forgot the combination to access the gui>mtu
[23:52] <InPhase> blugreen: Lots of "thanks it worked!" replies, no "oh no, it failed" responses.
[23:52] <arraybolt3> blugreen: Then maybe "nmcli"?
[23:52] <arraybolt3> InPhase: Yes, that page looks very hopeful. I think this is probably the way to go.
[23:52] <blugreen> InPhase, tnx for the link,same link i used then,its good :)
[23:54] <InPhase> Life also gets a notch simpler when you google to check built-in Linux support at hardware purchase time.  But for the pieces grandfathered into your collection, a little compile and install isn't usually too bad when needed.
[23:55] <InPhase> Then keep that source tree around so you always have it to recompile and reinstall from if an upgrade stops it from working for some reason.
[23:55] <blugreen> yea.good no options at the time of purchase,took the risk
[23:55] <blugreen> *got no options
[23:57] <arraybolt3> blugreen: I have yet to have a system not accept Linux due to hardware incompatibility. Hardware support is pretty darn good, and for the few things that are rough around the edges, there's almost always a good solution, and virtually always a solution of some sort.
[23:57] <blugreen> i need to access the mtu setting of the wifi,its not in the gui now ,unlike in ubuntu16. you have to do cli then gui will appear,anyone knows it ? its not nmcli,its nm something
[23:59] <WeeBey> In case anyone comes around with the same issue of their "Save File" dialogue box not saving files with Gnome 42, it seems that deleting/resetting the folders ~/.config/gtk-* and then rebooting seems to work  (so far).
[23:59] <arraybolt3> blugreen: What about "ifconfig?"


[00:33] <ubuntuWi-Guest> hey all ... hope it a simple issue I am trying to resolve.
[00:34] <ubuntuWi-Guest> Unable to mount FreeAgent GoFlex Drive
[00:38] <ubuntuWi-Guest>  In the first case run chkdsk /f on Windows then reboot into Windows twice. The usage of the /f parameter is very important! If the device is a SoftRAID/FakeRAID then first activate.
[15:55] <h00k> Hey
[15:55] <h00k> Let's start doing monthy meetings.
[15:55] <h00k> waking people up from this Winter thing
[16:25] <bigbash> h00k did you fix your TP?
[16:51] <h00k> zz_bigbash: it's charging, yeah, turns out I used 3.0.5 WebOS Doctor on a 3.0.4 install, the proper way to recover is to go back down to 3.0.0 and then back up to 3.0.5
[16:52] <h00k> then I'm going to install Ubuntu on it


[16:06] <pavlushka> Hello every one and Dipraw
[16:07] <Kilos> hi pavlushka  and others
[16:07] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos and others
[16:07] <Kilos> lol
[16:08] <pavlushka> Kilos: you good?
[16:08] <Kilos> im ok yes ty lad just a bit tired
[16:08] <Kilos> how are you?
[16:10] <pavlushka> Kilos: me too, forgot the keys, so need to break the locks, I was already tired before breaking the locks
[16:10] <pavlushka> now I am dead tired
[16:10] <Kilos> eish
[16:10] <Kilos> sleep
[16:11] <pavlushka> Kilos: I need to eat, in that case, have to cook and then some pile of works though I am not sure if I can concentrate but left no choice.
[16:12] <Kilos> ai!
[16:12] <Kilos> just do what you can lad
[16:12] <pavlushka> yeah, that's the only possibility anyway, lol
[20:20] <zaki> hi pavlushka


[15:22] <sergio-br2> hi
[15:22] <sergio-br2> "Unable to open remote branch: Connection error: while sending OPTIONS /svnroot/model3emu/trunk/: [Errno 111] Connection refused"
[15:22] <sergio-br2> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/212099176/random-stuff-supermodel-supermodel-trunk.log
[15:22] <sergio-br2> are there anything I can do?
[16:49] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: I don't know what the problem was last July, but I just poked it to retry and it seems fine now.
[16:49] <cjwatson> (https://code.launchpad.net/~random-stuff/supermodel/supermodel-trunk)
[16:49] <sergio-br2> eh
[16:49] <sergio-br2> ok, thanks
[16:50] <sergio-br2> i tried to import again, it didn't work
[16:50] <sergio-br2> weird
[16:55] <sergio-br2> anyway thanks
[20:28] <mitya57> Why did Launchpad add '>' to the beginning of comment text in the mail? Compare:
[20:29] <mitya57> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15604071/ — mail (leading >)
[20:29] <mitya57> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-flashback/+bug/1563735/comments/10 — original comment (no >)
[20:29] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1563735 in gnome-flashback (Ubuntu) "Recent gnome-flashback clears the background on login" [Undecided,New]
[22:05] <cjwatson> mitya57: That's mbox escaping, which email.message.Message.as_string does by default.