[00:11] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/18ecca/was_asked_to_slow_down_the_servers_today/
[00:46] <rick_h_> party party
[02:16] <jjesse> and boom goes twitter with the state of union
[02:17] <greg-g> oh right... do I turn the hotel tv back on or not...
[02:18] <greg-g> decision: not worth the effort
[13:03] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:04] <brousch> yes
[13:11] <rick_h_> wheeee
[13:56] <snap-l> Y'know, for the amount of people lamenting Opera's engine change, you'd think I'd have more Opera users in my logs.
[14:01] <brousch> PEople use Opera?
[14:03] <snap-l> You'd think they did from the amount of kvetching
[14:05] <brousch> I think jrwren is trolling you
[14:08] <snap-l> Wouldn't be the first time.
[14:09] <snap-l> But I doubt it. I think jrwren is sincere
[14:36] <jcastro> snap-l: btw http://askubuntu.com/questions/3503/best-way-to-cache-apt-downloads-on-a-lan
[14:55] <jrwren> i'm only sincere in that I value diversity.
[14:55] <jrwren> i strongly dislike the "1 down, 2 to go" sentiment.
[14:55] <jrwren> I'd be very disappointed if there was only webkit.
[14:56] <rick_h_> jrwren: but what do you prefer to webkit? That's my thing. If a new contender came up I'd be happy, but gecko/etc are just not up to snuff
[14:56] <rick_h_> might as well compete with each other on top of the same kernel imo
[14:56] <snap-l> I'm not sure Opera was up to snuff, honestly.
[14:56] <rick_h_> just like RH/Ubuntu/Debian on the same linux kernel
[14:56] <snap-l> er, Presto
[14:56] <snap-l> jcastro: Thanks! Will check it out.
[14:57] <snap-l> jcastro: Does it also cache private repos, or will I have to add those in by hand?
[14:57] <jrwren> i disagree with all of that.
[14:57] <jrwren> gecko, opera and trident are all "up to snuff"
[14:59] <rick_h_> ugh, hate this title though http://ejohn.org/blog/webkit-is-the-jquery-of-browser-engines/
[14:59] <brousch> hah
[14:59] <snap-l> That's what I don't understand: all of the webkit hate.
[15:00] <jrwren> i dont' hate it at all.
[15:00] <jrwren> its great.
[15:00] <jrwren> i strongly dislike the sentiment that there should be only webkit.
[15:02] <snap-l> Yeah, I don't buy that either
[15:02] <snap-l> Because it won't just be webkit, it'll be IE and webkit and gecko and something else
[15:04] <brousch> It's not like MS will ever switch
[15:05] <snap-l> I'm not so certain, but if they do, they'll definitely extend it
[15:13] <jrwren> i would have agreed with MS never, until I've seen how MS embraced nodejs.
[15:13] <jrwren> as of yet, ms hasn't extended nodejs in noncompatible ways.
[15:13] <jrwren> i'm still waiting
[15:14] <brousch> What are they using node on?
[15:15] <rick_h_> yea, nodejs and jquery have been fairly cleanly integrated
[15:15] <rick_h_> brousch: they support it on azure
[15:16] <rick_h_> it was one of the first non-.net platforms on there
[15:16] <brousch> That's all?
[15:16] <rick_h_> they sponsored a ton of work to move to libuv to get it to work on MS platforms
[15:16] <rick_h_> basically node didn't work on MS at all, then they sponsored a ton of good work and now works pretty well from what I hear
[15:17] <brousch> That is just them realizing no one wants to run ASP and no one wants to port cool things to Windows
[15:17] <jrwren> one of the core node devs works for msft IIRC
[15:18] <jrwren> brousch: we are trying to have a serious discussion. hyperbole like no one wants to run asp -- assuming you mean asp.net -- is not true.
[15:18] <jrwren> in fact, its not even hyperbole, its flat out false.
[15:19] <brousch> Fair enough
[15:20] <jrwren> strategically i can't figure out what msft is doing with it other than tooling. but they don't make $$$ on tooling.
[15:20] <jrwren> msft is a sinking ship.
[15:20] <brousch> They make money because node can be run on Azure. It's a way to bring in "the cool kids" to their cloud platform
[15:21] <brousch> Given a choice, most of the developers I've encountered would not use MS. They only do so because they are paid to use it
[15:22] <jcastro> snap-l: yeah you need to whitelist some domains on the server piece, it's in the "3rd party" section of my post.
[15:22] <jcastro> snap-l: iirc we added some common ones commented out.
[15:22] <jcastro> I don't get the webkit or the opera hate either
[15:23] <jrwren> my impression from talking to 'azure people' is that there are not a lot of paying customers.
[15:23] <jrwren> a couple of big profile ones like nbc for olympics, but its not very wide spread.
[15:24] <jcastro> it's not in GA yet that's why
[15:24] <jrwren> azure?
[15:24] <jcastro> yeah
[15:24] <jrwren> most azure servies are GA w/ production support
[15:24] <jrwren> oh, you mean node specifically?
[15:24] <brousch> jrwren: It's for the same reason. given a choice, most developers I know would not use Azure
[15:25] <jrwren> brousch: I would have agreed and been one until I first deployed to it. its pretty much just like heroku now. git push to deploy the node app.
[15:25] <jrwren> the only thing I have against it is cost - its pretty expensive.
[15:26] <brousch> Azure is windows, right?
[15:26] <jcastro> jrwren: the compute thing isn't GA, the IAAS compete-with-amazon part.
[15:27] <jrwren> i see.
[15:27] <jcastro> soon though
[15:27] <jcastro> the tools are all node, it's pretty nice
[15:28] <jrwren> brousch: its called "Windows Azure" so yes :)
[15:28] <brousch> So to ensure your stuff will run properly on it, you should be developing on Windows
[15:28] <jcastro> nope, Linux is 100% supported
[15:29] <brousch> So you can run a Linux server on Azure?
[15:29] <jrwren> brousch: i really don't understand. you write nodejs.
[15:29] <jrwren> or yes, for IAAS stuff you can run Linux on Azure.
[15:29] <jcastro> brousch: yep, full support from MS and Canonical too: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/canonical-partners-with-microsoft-to-support-ubuntu-on-azure/
[15:29] <jcastro> dun dun dun!
[15:29] <brousch> Fascinating
[15:29] <jrwren> the part where it will really suck is if you use SQL... its gonna be MSSQL and not Postgresql :(
[15:30] <jjesse> brousch, if i remember correctly the Hypervisor is MS Hypervisor
[15:30] <jrwren> well, unless you run and install postgresql on an IAAS
[15:30] <jrwren> but I was refering to paas
[15:30] <jrwren> yes, its HyperV.
[15:30] <jjesse> so whatever is supported on Hyper-V should run on Azure
[15:30] <jrwren> remember when MS sent the huge patch to linux kernel?
[15:30] <jjesse> yup
[15:30] <jcastro> I don't care about paas, there's plenty of choice in paas, what's needed is more iaas competition, IMO of course
[15:31] <jcastro> _someone_ needs to compete with amazon
[15:31] <brousch> Doesn't rackspace?
[15:33] <jcastro> their new cloud is still beta
[15:33] <jcastro> HPs is still beta
[15:33] <jcastro> Google's is still beta
[15:33] <jcastro> Azure's is still beta
[15:34] <jrwren> jcastro: seriously?
[15:34] <jrwren> i feel exactly the oposite.
[15:34] <jcastro> meanwhile Amazon is printing money.
[15:34] <brousch> Google is doing IAAS?
[15:34] <jcastro> yep
[15:34] <rick_h_> yep
[15:34] <rick_h_> google compute
[15:34] <jrwren> plenty of choice in Iaas, and very little in paas :)
[15:34] <brousch> Oh right
[15:34] <jcastro> jrwren: most of the "iaas" I see is just some resold VPS garbage with "Cloud" stuck on the front.
[15:34] <rick_h_> how so in paas?  Google would be nice but they just seem to care about BIG deploys right now
[15:36] <jrwren> a vast majority of systems running on aws iaas use it just like hosted servers and when there is an infra outage, htey go down.
[15:36] <jcastro> jrwren: netflix is very much scalable in large part to aws, I was at the session where they talked about it
[15:37] <jcastro> I mean, their architecture is also very smart
[15:37] <jrwren> jcastro: i strongly disagree. I too was at the session where they talked about it, and had some beer with Carl Quinn taht weekend.
[15:37] <rick_h_> jrwren: just because a tool has options doesn't make people use it.
[15:37] <jrwren> rick_h_: exactly.
[15:37] <jcastro> jrwren: we should drink beer and argue again like old times
[15:38] <jrwren> jcastro: indeed we should. and you are closer than ever!
[15:38] <rick_h_> and EBS has gotten a few different updates to make cross region deploys easier as part of those downtimes
[15:38] <jrwren> jcastro: want to come to Learn something @ fanzoo Feb 27th?
[15:38] <jcastro> what is fanzoo?
[15:38] <jrwren> IIRC netflix doesn't use ebs at all.
[15:38] <jcastro> no one uses EBS, not even amazon. :)
[15:38] <jrwren> jcastro: a tiny consulting company in AA
[15:39] <rick_h_> jrwren: right, because they know better but it's a big reason other people go down
[15:39] <jrwren> rick_h_: yes, I see your point. that is what I was saying too.
[15:39] <jcastro> anyway, tldr, linux on azure works just fine
[15:39] <jrwren> jcastro: 4th wednesdays they host a code jam style get together were you really just hang out drink beer, work on software or wahtever and talk about it with other people
[15:40] <jcastro> jrwren: where do they meet?
[15:40] <rick_h_> jrwren: CHC!
[15:40] <jrwren> jcastro: at fanzoo technologies in AA - its at Ann and Ashley right downtown
[15:40] <jcastro> oh rock and roll
[15:40] <jcastro> I can probably do that, I have a car now
[15:40] <jrwren> YAY for cars!
[15:41] <jrwren> tldr: linux on azure works just fine. building your own cloud with a 12.10 iso and the maas boot option - not so much :p
[15:41] <jcastro> hey man, sign up for a jumpstart and pay me and I'll be more than happy, lol
[15:42] <jcastro> <--- can't set it up either.
[15:42] <jrwren> we've had a couple guys trying it and both failed independantly.
[15:42] <jrwren> it works if you do things EXACTLY right, but as soon as ANYTHING is different - fail.
[15:42] <jrwren> like we have multi nics so spearate mgmt network and cloud network and NOPE
[15:42] <jrwren> all fail
[15:43] <jcastro> send me your problems, I can have people look at them
[15:43] <jcastro> very quickly too
[15:44] <jrwren> that is what I keep telling the guys here - i'm tell 'em, talk to jcastro, he is local - but they never do.
[15:44] <jcastro> anything openstack or maas related I can get looked at
[15:44] <jcastro> or hell, file a bug
[15:45] <jrwren> I've not had to do it myself, so I've not directly experienced the pain or success, but I'll let them know.
[15:45] <jcastro> DO NOT SUFFER IN SILENCE
[15:47] <UnFixed> not sure who it was that mentioned the MUG meeting last night, but thanks.
[15:47] <snap-l> But suffering in silence is webscale.
[15:47] <UnFixed> i saw it beofre leaving work
[15:48] <UnFixed> decided to head over, enjoyed it
[15:48] <snap-l> UnFixed: I think that was me. :)
[15:48] <snap-l> Welcome. :)
[15:48] <UnFixed> :D
[15:48] <snap-l> Hope you can make it back to the upcoming meetings
[15:48] <snap-l> should be some good ones coming up
[15:48] <UnFixed> farmington is a little out of my way, but i do plan to try to make it to some
[15:48] <snap-l> (note: I'm on the board, so take that with the appropriate disclaimers)
[15:49] <UnFixed> any idea on what the topics for the following meetings are?
[15:50] <UnFixed> someone skimmed through them at the meeting, but i can't recall them
[15:51] <rick_h_> http://blog.ziade.org/2013/02/13/fun-with-angularjs-amp-cornice/ for some pyramid/cornice/app love
[15:54] <snap-l> UnFixed: We have a calendar of upcoming events under mug.org/meetings
[15:55] <UnFixed> found it just a moment ago
[15:55] <snap-l> http://www.mug.org/?page=CiviCRM&q=civicrm/event/ical&reset=1&list=1&html=1
[15:55] <UnFixed> i didnt see the link at the bottom of the page
[15:55] <UnFixed> thanks
[15:55] <snap-l> Yeah, it doesn't jump out unfortunately
[16:09] <jrwren> jcastro: sellers just said we should take you to lunch sometime to talk openstack and maas
[16:10] <jcastro> awww yeah
[16:13] <jrwren> im gonna see if he wants to today. you up for lunch today?
[16:14] <snap-l> Must be nice. :)
[16:18] <jrwren> which part?
[16:19] <snap-l> The going to lunch part. :)
[16:19] <jrwren> ah, nope, people are all busy here.  another time and SOON
[16:34] <jrwren> whoa, cool https://launchpad.net/~zfs-native/+archive/stable
[22:22] <rick_h_> upvites
[22:22] <rick_h_> bah
[22:22] <rick_h_> upvotes appreciated: http://www.reddit.com/r/pebble/comments/18h0vg/a_pebble_users_first_impressions_and_feedback/
[22:32] <greg-g> I just got this email from Carrie: "Rowan just peed on the back deck, came inside to get a rag, and is now wiping it up."


[01:59] <streetwitch> What does my laptop do after it goes to sleep and turns black?
[01:59] <streetwitch> Does it stop processes?
[02:25] <bipul> tsimonq2, Hi
[15:43] <mohsen_> Hi, alt_shift toggle for switching keyboard layout doesn't work, output of localectl status: https://ptpb.pw/GfWF
[15:44] <mohsen_> I tried to set the keyboard variant but it still shows only that "," in front of keyboard  variant in the status
[19:36] <uldics_> Hello! I have a problem in Lubuntu with Bluetooth. It kind of works, but as soon as I pair my keyboard, it shows as connected but doesn't work. Wifes PC has default Ubuntu and same packages (searched in Synaptic for bluetooth), there it works perfectly - with same USB BT dongle attached. What could be in the way on my PC?
[19:37] <uldics_> The attachment on wifes PC is handled by gnome-control-center, which I do not have on Lubuntu


[06:22] <bruin> hi, has anyone used axis2 and java on ubuntu?
[23:33] <EastDallas> is there any way to get firefox to work with an older version of the 64-bit JRE? Specifically 1.6u3


[04:47] <a|wen> anyone here who is kind of responsible for the BugSquad part of the wiki?
[04:49] <a|wen> would it be possible to split out the "Hug day! [date]" text in the header https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Header on it's own page? that would make it possible to include the always correct date in the header on all the kubuntu-pages on the wiki (now we need to update manually; which is only done once a month or so)
[06:13] <dholbach> good morning
[06:32] <a|wen> dholbach: morning ... do you have anything to do with the bugsquad pat of the wiki?
[06:32] <dholbach> a|wen: I used to, but not so much anymore - pedro might be a much better contact for it
[06:33] <dholbach> or bdmurray or ogasawara
[06:33] <a|wen> dholbach: okay; just a "small" change i didn't want to do so not to mess up stuff...
[06:34] <dholbach> a|wen: what is it?
[06:34] <a|wen> splitting out the "Hug day! [date]" text in the header https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Header on it's own page? that would make it possible to include the always correct date in the header on all the kubuntu-pages on the wiki :)
[06:34] <dholbach> a|wen: sounds reasonable :)
[06:34] <dholbach> we've done that in a few other MOTU pages too
[06:35] <a|wen> :) ... does going with /BugSquad/Header/Hugday sound okay?
[06:36] <dholbach> yeah
[06:44] <a|wen> done! ... cool, no more manual updating :)
[06:44] <dholbach> rock and roll!
[06:44] <dholbach> :-)
[06:54] <YoBoY> good morning
[10:04] <gnomefreak> mvo: if your around i have a bug that i think is something that cant be fixed in update-manager its bug 81464
[10:07] <mvo> thanks gnomefreak, I have a look
[10:07] <BUGabundo> isn't there a dbgsym version of cheese? its seg faulting on me
[10:07] <gnomefreak> mvo: np thanks for looking
[10:08] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: cheese-dbgsym
[10:09] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: cheese-dbgsym - debug symbols for package cheese
[10:09] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: not there on ddebs
[10:09] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: oh than no  that is where all the dbgsym as far as i know let me check if there is a dbg package.
[10:10] <BUGabundo> ok got a trace non the less
[10:10] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: nope thats it
[10:10] <BUGabundo> filing on LP
[10:10] <BUGabundo> yeah, I checked it too... no debug version
[10:11] <gnomefreak> ask them to add minhary build of dbg in the package (add to control file and need to add 1 line to rules however i dont remember offf hand since we dropped dbg in mozilla packages for size reason
[10:11] <gnomefreak> dbg in mozilla apps run ~50mb
[10:12] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheese/+bug/341618
[10:13] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: did you use apport to file the crash bug? if you do that apport will add dbg symbols adn will mark as a duplicate if there is one :) pitti did a great job on apport
[10:14] <BUGabundo> already added them
[10:15] <BUGabundo> manually
[10:15] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheese/+bug/341618/comments/2
[10:15] <BUGabundo> humm let me fire up apport once again
[10:16] <gnomefreak> that is a great backtrace it has the info needed by the looks of it
[10:16] <BUGabundo> nice
[10:20] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: apport is not finding the one that I manually posted
[10:20] <BUGabundo> with the auto generated!
[10:20] <BUGabundo> should I file both and mark as dupe?
[10:20] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: it wont you need to double click file in /var/crash and follow the promts
[10:21] <BUGabundo> ahh
[10:21] <BUGabundo> didn't know I could double click it
[10:21] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yes make 341618 a dup. of the apport fileed bug
[10:22] <BUGabundo> ok
[10:22] <ttx> signasap
[10:22] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: you can run from trm but i cant for the life of me remember (i think its "apport filename in /var/crash"
[10:22] <BUGabundo> humm
[10:22] <ttx> er.
[10:22] <BUGabundo> that never worked for me
[10:23] <ttx> Feel free to bug me with any samba-hugday-related questions btw
[10:25] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: dupe of bug 341624 now
[10:27] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: im not signed up for cheese so when in private i can see load page
[10:29] <BUGabundo> ohh
[10:29] <BUGabundo> let me unmark it then
[10:31] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: clear now
[10:31] <BUGabundo> ahh
[10:31] <BUGabundo> v4lconvert_convert()
[10:31] <BUGabundo> I'm pretty sure that the driver working
[10:31] <BUGabundo> let me alert Nol to it
[10:31] <gnomefreak> i missed that in the backtrace but as long are you see it thats all that matters
[10:32] <BUGabundo> I don't
[10:32] <BUGabundo> its the subject
[10:32] <BUGabundo> LOL
[10:32] <BUGabundo> let me attach the dmesg traces too
[10:32] <BUGabundo> Nol is gonna need them
[10:35] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/130102/plain/
[11:06] <Hew> Could someone have a look at this backtrace http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23760111/gdb-pidgin.txt from bug 341045? It looks a bit unusual to me, I'm not sure if it's complete or not.
[11:09] <BUGabundo> Hew: I get pidgin crashes
[11:09] <BUGabundo> but never seen one like that
[11:09] <BUGabundo> it would look to be plugin related
[11:10] <seb128> Hew: yeah, it's not useful
[11:10] <BUGabundo> ask him to run --debug too
[11:10] <BUGabundo> and watch for the plugin list
[11:10] <pedro_> hey folks, remember that we're celebrating a samba hug day today https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090312 , feel free to grab any bug out of the list and squash it
[11:10] <pedro_> bonjour seb128
[11:10] <seb128> hello pedro_
[11:10] <seb128> pedro_: how do you say hello again in your weird language? ;-)
[11:11] <pedro_> weird language?
[11:11]  * pedro_ grabs his shotgun
[11:11] <Hew> thanks BUGabundo, seb128.
[11:11]  * seb128 offers pedro_ a guinea pig to eat
[11:11] <delicowa> hi i suppose today is the hug day..How do things work on hug days
[11:12] <pedro_> lol
[11:12] <pedro_> delicowa: yep indeed, well if you look to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090312
[11:13] <pedro_> there's a list of bugs, some of them have a green background, that means someone already triaged those
[11:14] <seb128> pedro_: btw sorry for the bugmail spam, I was on a bug cleaning rampage yesterday
[11:15] <pedro_> delicowa: so select an untriaged bug and follow the instructions on the page to triage it, as soon as you finish with it, mark it as close with the hug day tools or edit the wiki page by hand, we recommend the hug day tools it's easier to do the job with it
[11:15] <delicowa> thanks pedro
[11:15] <delicowa> triage? as in try to resolve it?
[11:15] <pedro_> seb128: no problem, btw were you having a email delay yesterday? i was having the emails from like 12UTC at 20 UTC or so
[11:16] <seb128> pedro_: I was having emails but with quite some lag too yes
[11:16] <seb128> pedro_: seems back to normal today
[11:17] <delicowa> thanks again pedro.......have to sign out now
[11:17] <pedro_> seb128: nice i was about to start blaming evolution :-P
[11:17] <seb128> pedro_: hey, people tend to always blame the poor mailer when it's due to servers
[11:20] <BUGabundo> any idea why instaling libc6-dbg remove libc6-dbgsym?
[11:21] <pedro_> seb128: yeah, that's so true
[11:22] <seb128> pedro_: you still didn't reply to my hello question btw ;-)
[11:22] <seb128> BUGabundo: because they ship the same files and can't be installed together
[11:22] <seb128> BUGabundo: it's true for all -dbg and -dbgsym binaries
[11:23] <seb128> BUGabundo: -dbgsym is an automatic way to create -dbg for everything
[11:23] <pedro_> seb128: well "hola" works :-P
[11:23] <seb128> pedro_: hola to you ;-)
[11:23] <BUGabundo> seb128: ahh
[11:35] <BUGabundo> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libtorrent-rasterbar2_0.14.2-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libtorrent-rasterbar.so.2.0.0', which is also in package libtorrent-rasterbar1
[11:35] <BUGabundo> known prob?
[11:43] <Hew> My USB media player is being mounted as read-only. Anyone know the package that would be responsible for this?
[11:45] <BUGabundo> Hew: usually that means that it was umounted dirty
[11:45] <BUGabundo> check the FS and remount
[11:45] <BUGabundo> should be of then
[11:47] <Hobbsee> [22:47] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: did you find a bug on it?
[11:48] <BUGabundo> I saw
[11:48] <Hobbsee> right
[11:48] <BUGabundo> or better, I replied on +1
[11:50] <BUGabundo> firefox 3.1 just froze... what's the best way to dump the reason for the crash?
[11:54] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: fixed.
[11:54] <BUGabundo> thanks
[11:55] <BUGabundo> is there a bug for it?
[11:55] <Hobbsee> nope
[11:55] <BUGabundo> so I know when it gets build?
[11:55] <BUGabundo> I'll keep trying then
[11:55] <Hobbsee> not even in debian, for some reason.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> it'll be in the archive in a couple of hours, max, i expect
[11:55] <Hobbsee> oh, hrm, it'll get dropped in a queue
[11:56] <BUGabundo> np
[11:56] <BUGabundo> thanks for the work
[11:56] <Hobbsee> np
 http://identi.ca/group/ubuntuqa <-
[12:33] <pedro_> ttx: salut, do you need any other logs on bug 330827 ?
[12:33] <pedro_> thanks ubottu
[12:34] <ttx> looking...
[12:34] <pedro_> thanks you
[12:37] <ttx> pedro_: looks like a completely borked install. Multiple crashes, Exec format error...
[12:37] <ttx> not sure he can give us anything more useful
[12:39] <pedro_> ttx: ok, thanks for looking
[12:40] <ttx> pedro_: his seahorse bug got invalidated as a "wrong local install", this one is probably related. I kept it open/private just in case someone else would submit the same type of crashes
[12:40] <pedro_> alright
[12:58] <jgoguen> Could someone on bug-control change the importance of bug 237341 to Low?
[13:02] <pedro_> jgoguen: looking
[13:03] <pedro_> jgoguen: done. btw please consider in joining the bug control team, you have been doing a great work
[13:03] <pedro_> jgoguen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl <- all the information is there
[13:15] <jgoguen> pedro_: you think I have enough to do that already?
[13:21] <pedro_> jgoguen: yeah, totally, you've been contributing a lot to hug days, triaging bugs, finding upstream ones and linking them to lp, etc.
[13:22] <pedro_> jgoguen: i'm sure you can be a good addition to the team
[13:23] <jgoguen> pedro_: thanks :) do you mind if I ping you later with a short list of bugs to make sure they're a good representation of what the team is looking for?
[13:25] <pedro_> jgoguen: no problem at all, just send me a query when you're done so we don't flood in the channel :-)
[13:26] <jgoguen> :)
[13:40] <Hew> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23779173/Stacktrace.txt from bug 295140. Is the bug in k3dsurf, or a package such as nvidia or mesa?
[13:58] <bddebian> Boo
[14:00] <BUGabundo> foo fam fee
[14:03] <bddebian> heh
[14:06] <pedro_> Today we are having the Samba Hug Day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090312 , we still have bugs waiting for being triaged, feel free to grab any of them
[14:12] <pedro_> ttx: may you give some feedback on bug 300221 ?
[14:12] <ttx> pedro_: looking...
[14:12] <pedro_> ttx: thanks you rock
[14:15] <ttx> pedro_: confirmed.
[14:34] <pedro_> ttx: great, thanks
[14:39] <bcurtiswx> hey all, i looked through the bugs/tags wiki, i couldn't find anything that would relate to a patch submitted that needs to be tested... is there such a thing.. and if not should I add it?
[14:39] <EtienneG> Haaaa Samba.  Can't live with it, can't live without it.  :D
[15:09] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: what do you see the workflow for that being?
[15:10] <BUGabundo> $ exaile /usr/share/exaile/xl/library.py:17: DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use hashlib instead
[15:10] <BUGabundo>   import md5, os, random, re, threading, time, traceback, gc, sys
[15:10] <BUGabundo> do you guys think I should report this?
[15:14] <bcurtiswx> anyone respond to my tags question? i got disconnected
[15:14] <BUGabundo> (03:09:21 PM) bdmurray: bcurtiswx: what do you see the workflow for that being?
[15:15] <BUGabundo> gonna need some help finding exaile memory leak... anyone wants to help?
[15:16] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: test to reproduce bug, then if you can reproduce the bug, test the patch to see if its a good fix? (im not fully knowledgeable about workflows)
[15:17] <bcurtiswx> apologies for a flaky wireless connection on my end
[15:18] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: most likely every bug with a patch is untested (other than the uploader) right now, so we'd have to tag every bug patch-needs-testing (or what have you), so I think it'd make more sense to start using patch-been-tested (or what have you)
[15:21] <charlie-tca> There is a tag used in launchpad called "patch" with 113 bugs
[15:22] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: im sorry, but i guess I would think patch-needs-testing makes more sense for patches that aren't tested yet, then patch-been-tested (using your tags as an example)
[15:23] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: but maybe i just haven't caught onto the idea quite right
[15:23] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: right but every bug with a patch is probably in the needs-testing state
[15:24] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: so we'd just be tagging every bug with that
[15:24] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: instead lets tag the smaller subset, the tested ones, after they've been tested
[15:24] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: ah, so you're saying that theres such a large amount of bugs with patches, that its better to mark the tested ones?
[15:25] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: yes
[15:25] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: ok, is there a group that tracks bugs with patches attached that go around testing them?
[15:26] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: not that I know of, would you like to start one?
[15:27] <acidborg> hi
[15:27] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: hmm, i don't even know how to use a .patch file, and i wouldn't be able to tackle that many patches
[15:28] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: if a group that does that is beneficial enough, i can try to learn it and start a group
[15:28] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: with enough interest from others to help as well, of course
[15:29] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: I can help write the documentation and I've written up some the patch workflow at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Patches
[15:30] <bdmurray> Why don't I write up how to test them today and you can look that over / test it some?
[15:31] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: sure
[15:33] <pedro_> ttx: may you please have a look to the patch provided on bug 164544? the provider said it fixes the issue
[15:34] <pedro_> ubottu: you're being evil today
[15:34] <pedro_> let's try again, bug 164544
[15:35] <ttx> pedro_: looking...
[15:36] <bcurtiswx> ubottu has mood swings, may be that time of month?
[15:37] <acidborg> Is anyone working on bug 280814 ?
[15:38] <ttx> pedro_: I would set it back to Incomplete. The patch has been disputed on our bug, and the bug is incomplete on the related Samba bugtracker item...
[15:39] <pedro_> ttx: awesome, thanks
[15:39] <pedro_> acidborg: ttx might know ;-)
[15:39] <ttx> acidborg: not that I know of.
[15:40] <acidborg> ok, so I want to try (it's my first hug day)
[15:40]  * ttx cheers
[15:44] <bcurtiswx> acidborg: you can usually tell if someone has started triaging a bug by looking at the activity log, that link can be found on the top right of bug pages
[15:45] <acidborg> bcurtiswx: thanks
[15:46] <bcurtiswx> acidborg: the chances of someone else working on a bug at the same time as you is rare, and if it happens its not a big deal, just make sure you or the other person know whos taking care of the bug
[15:47] <acidborg> bcurtiswx: ok
[15:49] <bcurtiswx> brb, moving to another location
[15:56] <acidborg> I've marked bug 280814 as invalid. Can anyone check it, please?
[16:05] <benste> where can I contact MOTU mailing list withouht subsribing it?,
[16:05] <benste> just want to add https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiemu/+bug/341779 to the wishlist
[16:07] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: according to the bugs/patches link you sent me, i should see a star next to the patch instead of the green down arrow.. i installed greasemonkey and the lp_patches script (as well as all the others on that page), but i don't see the star? am i doing something wrong?
[16:07] <bdmurray> did you reload the page?
[16:08] <bcurtiswx> yeah even restarted firefox a couple times
[16:08] <bcurtiswx> hmm, maybe its cached in?
[16:08] <bdmurray> how did you install the greasemonkey script? at the code page?
[16:09] <bcurtiswx> yeah, i clicked the link and then greasemonkey asked me to install it and i clicked install
[16:09] <bcurtiswx> 3.0.7 firefox
[16:09] <jelmer> pedro_, hi
[16:10] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: there are 2 links when you browse the code one is wrong and one isn't
[16:10] <jelmer> pedro_, you just marked bug 302148 as confirmed
[16:10] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: you want the green download arrow on the far right
[16:10] <bdmurray> don't click on the file name as that's horked
[16:10] <bcurtiswx> ahh ok
[16:14] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: that was it, thx
[16:15] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: I wonder if sticking a file name in bzr that says that would help
[16:15] <bdmurray> so you see something like "click green arrow to install" when browsing the code
[16:17] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: yeah something like "click green down arrow", maybe put that in the README?
[16:18] <bdmurray> I was just going to name the file that so you could read it when going to the web page w/o opening the readme
[16:18] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: even better
[16:23] <mathiaz> ttx: hi - how is the samba bug day going?
[16:23] <ttx> plenty of activity, looking at the resulting bugmail
[16:24] <ttx> I mostly did some support, I didn't really triage myself.
[16:24] <mathiaz> ttx: awesome! :)
[16:29] <acidborg> Can I mark bug 320212 as confirmed?
[16:31] <bcurtiswx> acidborg: can you reproduce the bug OR has someone commented that they are able to reproduce it?
[16:32] <acidborg> bcurtiswx: no. It has all the info required so, what state should I give it instead of new?
[16:37] <bcurtiswx> acidborg: as long as all of the information is there (and i agree it all is), you would request a bug control member to set as triaged, and they will set importance
[16:37] <bcurtiswx> acidborg: i can take care of that for you :-)
[16:40] <acidborg> bcurtiswx: thanks, I would appreciate that
[16:42] <bcurtiswx> acidborg: done
[16:42] <acidborg> bcurtiswx: thanks
[17:01] <pedro_> jelmer: yeah, a few mins ago, I'm reading your comments on it now
[17:05] <pedro_> jelmer: got it, your call then
[17:05] <pedro_> mathiaz: hey, have you looked at the graphs at the bottom of the page?
[17:05] <pedro_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/samba/plots/samba-1day-triaging.png
[17:06] <pedro_> ttx: do you know if there's an upstream report about bug 337037 ?
[17:06] <pedro_> ttx: i cannot find anything on the upstream BTS
[17:07] <ttx> pedro_: so far I only found the thread. We were waiting for some reproduction before escalating the issue to samba devs.
[17:08] <ttx> pedro_: finding someone with windows stuff / jaunty share to reproduce would be great
[17:09] <pedro_> ttx: alrighty, thanks
[17:19] <bcurtiswx> what package manages suspend and what program manages the keyboard shortcuts (i.e the suspend one)
[17:34] <ttx> ok guys, I'm calling it a day. mathiaz should be able to help you for the rest of the HugDay.
[18:04] <hggdh> mrooney, ping
[18:04] <mrooney> hggdh: hello!
[18:04] <hggdh> mrooney, I had a look at the eeebotu logs, and indeed we hit a problem yesterday (timeouts)
[18:04] <mrooney> hm interesting
[18:05] <hggdh> yay
[18:05] <mrooney> but it doesn't happen often, perhaps just a normal thing
[18:05] <mrooney> ?
[18:05] <hggdh> It was different -- a timeout on <IP_ADDRESS>... I still have to get back there, and look at it, but I am quite busy this week
[18:06] <hggdh> tomrrow I might have some time
[18:08] <mrooney> bdmurray: do you know why the upstream project for firefox is Mozilla Core?
[18:08] <mrooney> that is where launchpad files the bug against if you click through its helpers, but I feel that doesn't really make sense
[18:13] <bdmurray> mrooney: jcastro know a fair bit more about upstream relations than me
[18:16] <mrooney> bdmurray: okay thanks, maybe he can chime in when he is around
[18:54] <pedro_> mathiaz: do you have any thoughts about bug 280712 ?
[18:54] <pedro_> bug 280712
[18:56] <mathiaz> pedro_: I'd move it to confirmed - the reporter is one of the Canonical support guy
[18:56] <mathiaz> pedro_: and ask if he can reproduce it on intrepid/jaunty
[18:57] <pedro_> mathiaz: oki doki, I'll do that, thanks yu
[18:57] <pedro_> s/yu/you
[19:07] <ivoks> oh... it's a bug squash day
[19:08] <mathiaz> ivoks: yop - did you notice anything unusual in your inbox?
[19:09] <ivoks> ?
[19:09] <mathiaz> ivoks: I meant bug mail
[19:10] <ivoks> mathiaz: nothing
[19:11] <mathiaz> ivoks: oh well - pedro_ is doing an amazing job at triaging samba bugs
[19:11] <ivoks> i see most of them are triaged
[19:29] <ivoks> would ucf give up on absence of user input?
[19:29] <ivoks> and leave package unconfigured
[19:30] <ivoks> or could update-manager do that?
[19:30] <ivoks> bug 298126
[19:32] <ivoks> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/107188/comments/14
[19:32] <ivoks> hm... yes...
[20:55] <ivoks> mathiaz: here?
[20:55] <mathiaz> ivoks: yes
[20:56] <ivoks> mathiaz: i think bug 337037 should be high
[20:57] <mathiaz> ivoks: may be. It's on the radar though.
[20:58] <mathiaz> ivoks: ttx has been looking into that. He was just blocked in reproducing it because he doesn't have access to an Office system.
[20:58] <ivoks> oh...
[22:37] <bitumen2003> ?Is there a hug today or was it yesterday date was for march 12th
[22:38] <bitumen2003> ohhh and hi everyone!
[22:48] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: I've written a rough draft for you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/PatchTesting
[22:51] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: ok thanks.  Im going through dholbachs packaging tutorials packaging my first package from tar.gz
[22:57] <greg-g> bdmurray: that looks good, and useful to get people's feet wet with testing patches (the straight-forward, simple sounding nature of it is good)
[22:57] <bdmurray> greg-g: well, I gloss over how to get a vm working and how to build a package ;-)
[22:58] <greg-g> right, "simple sounding" ;)
[22:58] <bdmurray> greg-g: thanks though, I wanted it to be approachable
[22:58] <greg-g> I think you acheived that
[23:01] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: yeah it looks quite approachable
[23:33] <bcurtiswx> what package is debuild a part of?
[23:37] <bcurtiswx> found it, devscripts
[23:45] <bcurtiswx> hmm, my debuild failed.. and i can't say i know why


[02:43] <Soelen> hello everyone! Quick question, how can I add apps in the application finder?
[02:45] <holstein> Soelen: they should just be there, when you install.. what app in particular?
[02:46] <Soelen> holstein: well I am forced to download and use directly from blender.com since the offical blender rep doesn't include CUDA rendering, thus I need to "install" blender into the system with my own hands
[02:46] <holstein> Soelen: sure. so, make whatever custom shortcuts you like to whatever you choose
[02:47] <Soelen> well I don't know how
[02:47] <holstein> https://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[02:47] <holstein> though, i would simply put one on the desktop.. and keep it simple
[02:48] <Soelen> holstein: I want when I doubleclick on a file the blender application should open
[02:48] <Soelen> not just to add it to the menu
[02:49] <Soelen> holstein: but maybe the article which you gave me does include this, please give me time to read
[02:50] <holstein> Soelen: you can set that up, but, its actually not trivial..
[02:51] <Soelen> holstein: and by that you mean complicated?
[02:53] <brasileiro> hi everyone... is it possible to configure xfce4-mailwatch-plugin to check only my Priority Inbox at Gmail and not everything (like don't show new e-mails if they are at Promotions, for example)?
[02:59] <holstein> Soelen: its not something that i would personally deal with
[03:24] <noahthedominator> How can i get a icon for my connections(wifi, wired etc) on my top panel???
[03:27] <xangua> noahthedominator: is your network manager icon missing¿ http://www.webupd8.org/2014/06/lubuntu-1404-missing-network-manager.html
[03:31] <noahthedominator> Yeah its missing. I tried the link and it says its not installed.
[04:22] <bryan> hello I need help. i have xubuntu and when I move a windows it lags I dont know whats wrong
[04:23] <holstein> bryan: well, im fairly certain its GPU  related.. have you tried the vesa driver to isolate that?
[04:23] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[04:23] <bryan> im sorry I got lost on all the chat
[04:24] <holstein> bryan: are you up to date with upgrades?
[04:24] <bryan> yeah I upgraded it
[04:24] <bryan> should I reboot?
[04:25] <holstein> bryan: if you recieved a kernel update, you'll have to reboot into that newer kernel, and a "Fix" could be there
[04:25] <bryan> I didnt see if i got a new kernel. Ill be back then hah
[04:29] <bryan> the choppiness is still there :/
[04:29] <bryan> its only  whenever i  move the windows
[04:31] <holstein> bryan: you can try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 and see if a vesa driver addresses the issue
[04:31] <bryan> ok
[04:33] <bryan> what do i do with the code?
[04:33] <holstein> !xorgconf
[04:34] <holstein> bryan: what i do is, create the file and put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ..then, i can remove that from a live CD and get right back where i am
[04:34] <holstein> bryan: dont get caught up in this step.. this is *not* a fix.. this is just to help isolate the driver and test..
[04:34] <holstein> bryan: you'd do just as well to disable compositing and test..
[04:34] <bryan> oh ok
[04:39] <bryan> im trying to move it but it wont let me
[04:40] <holstein> bryan: move what?
[04:40] <anabw> i am so new and overwhelmed how to get to a regular browser page
[04:41] <bryan> the xorg.config file to /etc/x11
[04:41] <bryan> theres not xorg.config file on /etc/x11 so i created one
[04:42] <holstein> bryan: correct.. you'll need to make it
[04:42] <bryan> I tried to move it from my desktop to /etc/x11 but it wont let me
[04:43] <holstein> bryan: /etc/X11
[04:43] <holstein> and you cant.. you need sudo permission
[04:43] <holstein> you can open a terminal, and run "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and copy paste.. or, sudo mv
[04:48] <bryan> done
[06:04] <hoijui> my netbooks touchpad is stuck in "scroll mode" (meaning, normal usage scrolls, instead of moving the mouse pointer)
[06:05] <hoijui> i must have accidentially pressed some keyboard shortcut ... any ideas how to undo it?
[06:05] <hoijui> is there somethign like a "mouse reset"?
[06:11] <hoijui> got it
[06:11] <hoijui> rmmod psmouse && modprobe psmouse
[06:12] <hoijui> deactivates and reactivates the touchpad(-drivers), which did the trick
[09:53] <xubuntu500> hello guys! where i can find driver for sis mirage 3 graphic?
[09:54] <bazhang> xserver-xorg-video-sis <--- it's not a very well supported card
[09:57] <xubuntu500> @bazhang what should i do sir? my display resolutions is only 640x480
[11:07] <Juli3n>  Hello is that you speak French ?
[11:07] <knome> !fr | Juli3n
[11:35] <meek_geek> yo
[13:11] <xubuntu812> my installer keeps crashing any tips?
[13:11] <knome> try being a bit more exac
[13:11] <knome> +t
[13:12] <xubuntu812> i am trying to install xubuntu 14 and as soon as it starts copying files i get the errno 5
[13:12] <xubuntu812> however it runs fine on live
[13:13] <knome> have you checked the ISO integrity?
[13:14] <xubuntu812> yes and re-downloaded several times
[13:14] <knome> how did you check the integrity?
[13:14] <xubuntu812> md5 check
[13:15] <xubuntu812> i would like to assume that the integrity is not the issue
[13:17] <xubuntu812> how do i get the no migration assistant command to work
[13:17] <xubuntu812> i have tried this and it did not recognize it
[13:21] <xubuntu812> does anyone know of any installation issues i am having difficulty
[13:21] <knome> !patience | xubuntu812
[13:23] <xubuntu812> what i have found is that "ubiquity --no-migration-assitant" is a workaruond
[13:23] <xubuntu812> however this command does not seem to be valid
[13:23] <knome> make sure you type the command with "assistant" not "assitant"
[13:24] <xubuntu812> i get "ubiquity: error: no such option: --no-migration-assistant"
[13:25] <knome> then there is no such option
[13:25] <knome> the tutorials probably cover older versions
[13:25] <xubuntu812> 10*4
[13:25] <xubuntu812> is there a way to check integrity from terminal?
[13:38]  * Hedgework peeks in
[13:39] <Hedgework> xubuntu812: sure... md5sum the iso
[13:40] <Hedgework> xubuntu812: Can you give more info about your environment (i.e. what hardware you are installing on) and the error?
[16:40] <Guido1> Hello, i need to recover my data. During the conection of the external driv,e with wiindows 8.1 computer i got an error message and now windows 8.1 doesn recognice it, windows xp can see it, but not open the files any more. how / with which program can i recover it, prefeurable with the folder structure?
[16:40] <cfhowlett> Guido1 obvious question: can xubuntusee it?
[16:41] <Guido1> cfhowlett: it can use the folders, but not the files
[16:42] <cfhowlett> Guido1 try via the terminal
[16:45] <Guido1> cfhowlett: you mean with cd etc.? by the way. if i conect the drive it kes quite long until it is conected and shows the folders
[16:46] <cfhowlett> Guido1 that makes me nervous.  NO connection is better than a delayed connection.  Suggests a possible hardware issue, but I don't have enough expertise to advise.  Ask over in #ubuntu or in ##linux
[16:47] <Guido1> cfhowlett: just asked in ubuntu as well.
[17:15] <Guido1> cfhowlett: but i didn got more information over there
[17:17] <cfhowlett> Guido1 ask ##linux?
[17:20] <Hedgework> Guido1: I've done recoveries off of questionable disks, but I'm at work so I can't do a walk-through right now.  If you'd like, I can try to help tonight before bed.
[17:22] <Guido1> Hedgework: jea, maybe that would be nice. maybe tomorrow night is also possible? (tomorrow i have an exam). are you doing it with linux, xp or windows 8.1? ()that are the systems available to me, prefeuring xp and xubuntu
[17:23] <Hedgework> Guido1: I usually use sysrescuecd or plug the drive into my funtoo install, but I can check whether the utilities I use are on the xubuntu livecd if that's all you've got.
[17:24] <Hedgework> As for tomorrow...I'm not yet sure if I'm hanging out at home or traveling for the holiday, but if I'm around I can help.
[17:27] <Guido1> at linux: no answer at all ...
[17:28] <Guido1> Hedgework: than letś see how late it will be today
[17:28] <elfy> Guido1: it might take longer than 10 minutes for someone to see it who can reply
[17:28] <GridCube> Guido1, http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[17:29] <Hedgework> Guido1: I suspect my SO will want my attention when I get home, but I should free up around 8 or 9 pm my time (for as long as I can stay awake)...that's about 6.5 hours from now.
[17:30] <Guido1> Hedgework: oh, itś now 19.30 at my place
[17:30] <Hedgework> it's still 13:30 here :)
[17:30] <Guido1> GridCube: okkee, i have test disk
[17:31] <Hedgework> anyway...good luck, and feel free to ping my non-work nick (HedgeMage) in a few hours if you still need help
[17:32] <Guido1> Hedgework: thanks
[17:32] <Hedgework> np
[17:32] <GridCube> Guido1, do read a whole lot before doing stuff to sensible data
[17:34] <Guido1> GridCube: sure
[17:37] <Guido1> GridCube: whats the difference between test disk and fotoRec?
[17:37] <GridCube> photorec just recovers some types of files
[17:45] <Guido1> test disk shows:   CHS 60801 255 63 - sector size=512 (by the listed partitions)
[17:57] <Guido1> testdisks shows the partition two times, exactly the same
[17:57] <Guido1> and says invalide fat boot sector
[18:03] <Hedgework> Guido1: Do you have a spare disk that's at least the size of the corrupt one?
[18:04] <Hedgework> Guido1: If so, I *highly* recommend making an image and working on the image rather than risking further data loss by screwing around with a dodgy disk.
[18:04] <Guido1> Hedgework: just making a 800 GB partition free
[18:05] <Hedgework> Guido1: that works, as long as it's on a different physical drive :)
[18:05] <Guido1> right now i let testdisk show me what it finds, but not do any changes
[18:05] <Guido1> Hedgework: yes, itś on a different drive - a 1 TB drive
[18:05] <Hedgework> cool
[18:06] <Hedgework> Guido1: EVERY time you move the head on a failing disk -- whether to read or write -- you bring catastrophic failure closer.  Stop messing around with it even reading it.  Image it to the other disk, then work on the image.
[18:06] <Guido1> Hedgework: the problem drive is a 500 Gb drive. i have quite some faith if test disk shows the correct partition table - right now it can read the fat boor sector it says
[18:07] <Hedgework> I don't know what you see and haven't gone through it with tools or seen useful output, so I assume the most conservative path.  Use your best judgement, of course.
[18:07] <Guido1> Hedgework: should not be - expect a program error as i got the drive begin this year (from a recovery service)
[18:08] <Hedgework> Guido1: A recovery service?  As in it's a reconditioned drive?
[18:08] <Guido1> Hedgework: no, they put the data on a new drive
[18:09] <Hedgework> Ahh.  We clearly have very different data handling preferences.
[18:10] <Guido1> bevore i had i quite fast fat 32 300 gb usb 2.0 drive and got a fat 32 500 gb with USB 3.0 back which was slower
[18:10] <Guido1> Hedgework: i had to send in the old drive - physical damage ...
[18:12] <Hedgework> Guido1: Here's what I do, just for comparison.  Keep in mind that I am responsible for some OSS projects and work in infosec, so I probably have more serious data integrity and secrecy needs than the average joe user...
[18:13] <Hedgework> 1) The only SSDs I'll buy are Intel, and I only store system stuff that doesn't change too much on them to minimize writes.  For example, / and /boot are on my SSD in tyro (my personal desktop), but /var, /home, and swap are on a HDD.
[18:14] <Hedgework> 2) The only HDDs I'll buy are Seagate.  Seagate has a slightly lower MTBF than competitors like Western Digital, but unlike WD and friends, Seagates throw lots of noisy errors for weeks or months before they fail, so I'm not caught by surprise and can double-check that I have complete back-ups then EOL the drive.
[18:15] <Hedgework> 3) All disks are encrypted, usually via dmcrypt with LUKS headers, except for my /boot partition.
[18:15] <Hedgework> 4) /boot for highly sensitive systems is kept on removable media on my person
[18:16] <Hedgework> 4) Backups are taken regularly (I use rsnapshot with a custom wrapper script) and stored on encrypted volumes.
[18:16] <Hedgework> err 5 ^^^
[18:18] <Hedgework> 6) If a disk starts throwing errors indicative of a filesystem failure, I image it, shred, and test.  If the hardware checks out, I create a new partition table and appropriate filesystems then copy the contents back from the image.
[18:19] <Hedgework> 7) If a disk shows indications of an impending hardware failure, I image it (even if it's already backed up...better safe than sorry) and physically destroy it.  Then I restore what I need to a new disk from the image, check for integrity where needed, and grab back-ups of anything that was corrupted.
[18:20] <Guido1> Hedgework: i only have HDDs, i think. if i buy, i also go for seagate. i have good experiences with it. i would be glad to have enough money to have enough disks for backups ...
[18:21] <Hedgework> 8) If I get handed a device to recover by someone else, I make an image and work on the image unless I absolutely can't.  Better safe than sorry.
[18:21] <Hedgework> 9) I do my own data recovery...I don't want strangers in my data.
[18:22] <Hedgework> Guido1: I already had this system in place back when I was a single mom raising my kid on $700/mo with no child support, government aid, etc.  You can afford it if you're willing to do some extra leg work to make up for funding shortfalls.
[18:23] <Guido1> Hedgework: okee, testdisk just showed the following information during the analysis "Read error at 12/28/17 (lba=194560)". What does it mean?
[18:24] <Hedgework> Guido1: I don't use testdisk, but I would suspect that the number with the slashes is platter/cylinder/sector location...lba is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_block_addressing
[18:24] <Guido1> Hedgework: right now i have to calculate with a year compleatly without money and before i just had about 400€
[18:24] <Guido1> Hedgework: so itś an physical error?
[18:25] <Hedgework> Meh, maybe maybe not...a location doesn't tell us why there's a read error.
[18:25] <Hedgework> That's not actually a helpful error message.
[18:25] <Guido1> Hedgework: makes it difficult to fix ...
[18:25] <Hedgework> Meh, I can guide you to better tools.
[18:26] <Guido1> would be nice
[18:28] <Hedgework> Can you download an iso (about 400MB) and either burn it to a CD or write it to a USB stick?
[18:28] <Guido1> yes, i can
[18:29] <Hedgework> Guido1: Get this... http://www.sysresccd.org/Download
[18:29] <Hedgework> It has the toolkit I'm more familiar with.
[18:29] <Guido1> before i test disk showed that the one ppartition is listed twoo times in the partition table and that there was an error reading the fat 32 boot sector
[18:30] <Hedgework> that doesn't tell us WHY though
[18:34] <Guido1> Hedgework: but maybe it lets hope that fixing the partition table solves the problem, but the read error later on ...
[18:34] <Hedgework> Guido1: May I pm, by the way, while we're at this?
[18:34] <Guido1> yes
[18:34] <Hedgework> The thing is that if you run the tool to fix the partition table and the problem is in fact a head going bad you may destroy the disk.
[18:35] <Hedgework> Proper diagnostics are your friend: know what you are dealing with so you can make wise choices on how to deal with it.
[18:50] <Snuggyfoo> Does anyone know what Ubuntu/Xubuntu uses to configure the display for an ATI video card if there is no xorg.conf?
[18:57] <baizon> Snuggyfoo: http://askubuntu.com/questions/4662/where-is-the-x-org-config-file-how-do-i-configure-x-there
[18:57] <baizon> Snuggyfoo: also http://askubuntu.com/questions/26290/50-synaptics-conf-options-not-working/27017#27017
[21:31] <vaiolin> Hello, using a old Sony Vaio VGN-FJ270, installed Skype fine, but builtin webcam shows no video, how can I get it working?
[21:52] <xubuntu516> Question: does vim come preinstalled in Xubuntu? It seems to run with the "vi" command, yet when I do "sudo apt-get install vim", it doesn't seem to be installed.
[21:53] <Unit193> It comes with vim-tiny, which doesn't have syntax highlighting and all the fun jazz.
[21:58] <xubuntu516> Unit193: ohh, hmm, thanks, just removed vim-tiny and installed vim. Thanks.
[21:58] <Unit193> Don't even need to remove tiny.
[21:58] <Unit193> Sure.
[21:59] <xubuntu516> Unit193: If you have both installed, which would it default to then?
[22:00] <xubuntu516> Considering that vim-tiny was starting with vi
[22:00] <Unit193> /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim.basic (which is vim)
[22:03] <xubuntu516> THat's a little confusing, but it's alright, important thing is I got it installed. :)
[23:04] <xubuntu265> hello
[23:04] <xubuntu265> may I ask a question ?
[23:06] <slickymaster> !ask | xubuntu265
[23:06] <xubuntu265> sorry first time here
[23:08] <xubuntu265> I have been trying to install xubuntu onto my computer several times now with out success I downloaded the iso burnt it to a usb and dvd following the instructions to the letter booting ect i see a load screen for xubuntu then i get this message "(initramfs) unable to find a medium with a live file system
[23:09] <xubuntu265> am I doing some thing wrong ?
[23:09] <xubuntu265> I've used ubuntu on a note book was so far superior to windows
[23:10] <xubuntu265> now i want xubuntu on my pc( sick of the garbage with windows 7
[23:10] <xubuntu265> can any one help ? please ?
[23:11] <knome> xubuntu265, patience please, everybody is a volunteer here
[23:13] <xubuntu265> ok
[23:14] <xubuntu146> Two quick questions. What exactly does selecting filetype under mousepad do? Is it just for syntax highlighting? Second, will there be any new updates for mousepad? I think I remember reading that it's been abandoned.
[23:18] <knome> xubuntu265, 1) syntax highlighting 2) it's not completely abandoned; what do you need updates for?
[23:29] <xubuntu146> knome: No, just wondering if it'll be included and kept up to date in future XFCE releases, or whether it'll be replaced. I read somewhere that it may be replaced with leafpad, I beleive. Yet leafpad has less features and is more primitive.
[23:29] <knome> it was replaced by leafpad in earlier xubuntu versions but is now back.
[23:29] <xubuntu146> knome: Ohh ok, thanks.


[09:40] <wers> other than thewidgetfactory, where can i find examples of gtk widgets?
[09:41] <vish> wers: gtkparasite
[09:41] <wers> vish, thanks!
[09:41] <vish> wers: you can launch an app in that and identify the widgets
[09:42] <wers> cool :)
[09:46] <wers> vish, how do you run this? haha
[09:47] <vish> wers: after install , launch it from terminal, ex: GTK_MODULES=gtkparasite eog
[09:47] <vish> s/eog/ with your fav app/
[09:47] <wers> vish, ooh. cool :)
[14:54] <qense> good afternoon
[15:52] <AnAnt> Hello
[15:59] <qense> hi AnAnt
[16:00] <AnAnt> where I can info (& tutorials) about using Messaging menu
[16:00] <AnAnt> the wiki doesn't give info about how to use libindicate
[18:37] <Fjodor> Hi all. The wiki states that this should come as standard in Lucid, however Kopete, running under Gnome, has nothing on left-click on the taskbar icon, and no indication of new messages or anything. Have I done something wrong?
[19:52] <Fjodor> Hi all. The wiki states that this should come as standard in Lucid, however Kopete, running under Gnome, has nothing on left-click on the taskbar icon, and no indication of new messages or anything. Have I done something wrong?
[20:09] <JanC> Fjodor: does Kopete support the indicator API ?
[20:10] <JanC> Fjodor: do you have kopete-message-indicator installed?
[20:10] <JanC> (and restarted Kopete after installing it)
[20:17] <Fjodor> JanC: kopete-message-indicator is installed, and I should think that kopete supports it, even though I do install it from a ppa. I should probably ask the owners of the ppa, though...