[01:17] <kwwii> night all
[01:17] <kwwii> see you tomorrow
[03:27] <bddebian> Hello
[03:28] <Riddell> hi bddebian
[03:29] <bddebian> Hi Riddell
[03:29] <bddebian> Been busy I see :-)
[03:30] <Riddell> yeah, wish the buildds had been too
[03:37] <bddebian> Riddell: Aye
[03:37] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian :)
[03:39] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell!
[03:39] <jsgotangco> sleep is for the weak
[03:39] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: true, i'm very weak then :P
[03:40] <Hobbsee> haha @ the new edgy default background
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: about that patch for k-d-s re amarok - it's less annoying to see the splash screen once, rather than to not be able to configure it.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ie, to not be able to ever turn it off, iirc
[03:45] <Hobbsee> okay, and now amarok wont even open.  darn.
[03:46] <Riddell> hello RadiantFire
[03:46] <RadiantFire> hello
[03:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why would you want the splash screen on?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i dont, i want to get rid of the rotten thing.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: but right now, i want amarok to start, and it isnt.
[03:46] <Riddell> RadiantFire: going to become an elite kubuntu developer?
[03:46] <bddebian> w00t
[03:47] <RadiantFire> Riddell: alas, no, I am interested in getting involved, currently I am poking around the adept sourcecode
[03:47] <RadiantFire> don't think elite is gonna happen anytime soon
[03:47] <Riddell> if you're poking around the adept source code you're already elite
[03:48] <bddebian> hehe
[03:48] <RadiantFire> except for the fact I don't understand much of it
[03:48] <RadiantFire> 2 weeks of looking at it, and I still have only the slightest grasp of how it works
[03:48] <Riddell> RadiantFire: here's a quick thing to fix, get adept_batch to have a "quit" button when it's finished
[03:49] <RadiantFire> ok
[03:50] <Riddell> cool :)  adept_batch is being used in this new amarok "install mp3 support" script I'm making
[03:50] <Riddell> but it's very confusing without a quit button
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nice!
[03:50] <RadiantFire> i haven't actually looked at adept_batch yet, but I shall see if I can do that tomorrow
[03:51] <RadiantFire> assuming work doesn't sap my will to liive...
[03:51] <bddebian> heh
[03:51] <RadiantFire> for unknown reasons amarok spawns 2 amarokapp processes
[03:51] <RadiantFire> I have no clue why
[03:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: amarokapp is the real amarok, "amarok" is just a clever front for it
[03:52] <Riddell> it's a bit like the mafia running innocent looking front operations
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  how do i debug why it doesnt start then.
[03:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: any useful output on the command line?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nope
[03:53] <RadiantFire> Hobbsee: core dump?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ amarok
[03:53] <Hobbsee> amaroK: [Loader]  Starting amarokapp..
[03:53] <Hobbsee> amaroK: [Loader]  Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> then it returns back to a prompt.
[03:53] <Riddell> nothing unusual there
[03:53] <Hobbsee> exactly
[03:53] <Hobbsee> i removed ~/.kde/config/amarokrc, but it shouldnt have been a problem
[03:53] <Riddell> try removing ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc out the way
[03:54] <Hobbsee> iirc that auto recreates
[03:54] <Hobbsee> then i get a splash screen, then nothing
[03:54] <Hobbsee> this is amarok 1.4.0 from kubuntu.org
[03:54] <Riddell> ok, amarok now building away, I'm off to bed
[03:54] <Riddell> make sure you have no amarokapp's running
[03:55] <Riddell> and try moving ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/ out the way too
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: checked that.  nothing.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're brilliant, thanks.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> i missed that one.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the patch works, but only in that it lets you get rid of the damned thing.  but it's good enough at the moment
[12:05] <Riddell> seaLne: got pictures form UKUUG?
[12:06] <seaLne> yes and no, they are still on my camera as when i got home i turned my machine on and something died, if you can wait till later this afternoon i'll get them off
[01:22] <Riddell> ta da http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141/
[01:23] <jsgotangco> wow
[01:24] <Riddell> testers needed
[01:29] <imbrandon> doh i was just packaging that
[01:29] <imbrandon> lol
[01:29] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:30] <imbrandon> Riddell: gimme about 3 min to stop the build and i'll test it
[01:31] <seaLne> heh
[01:32] <Riddell> for bonus points start it up without libxine-extracodecs installed and let me know if the mp3 installer script works
[01:32] <imbrandon> kk
[01:32] <imbrandon> i can uninstall those np
[01:34] <imbrandon> hehe ok build done ....
[01:34] <imbrandon> Successfully signed dsc and changes files
[01:34] <imbrandon> brandon@shuttlepod:~/files/amarok/amarok-1.4.1$
[01:34] <imbrandon> lol
[01:34] <imbrandon> give me about 2 sec to uninstall xine codecs and install that
[01:35] <Riddell> you should own something in the wiki page before packaging it to stop duplication https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates
[01:39] <seaLne> weird
[01:40] <freeflying> Riddell: have you packaged amarok with amarok-gstreamer
[01:40] <seaLne> amarok played mp3 stream after i uninstalled libxine-extracodecs
[01:40] <seaLne> however i still can't get amarok to make any noise so i can't really test much else
[01:41] <Riddell> freeflying: no
[01:41] <Riddell> seaLne: huh?  which engine is it using?
[01:42] <seaLne> xine
[01:42] <Riddell> seaLne: you have achieved the impossible
[01:42] <seaLne> :)
[01:42] <Riddell> did you restart amarok?
[01:42] <seaLne> it wasn't running before
[01:42] <Riddell> well if it doesn't make any noise that's not necessarily playing
[01:43] <Riddell> does it make noise for Ogg files?
[01:43] <seaLne> no
[01:43] <Riddell> can other programmes make noise?
[01:43] <seaLne> it certainly got the idv3 info out the mp3 stream
[01:43] <seaLne> yeah xmms does fine
[01:43] <seaLne> but i think it is probably unrelated to amarok
[01:44] <seaLne> tho not sure how
[01:45] <keyne> I tried here, i get the dialog box, but it fails to install because /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3 is not executable
[01:46] <keyne> => /bin/sh: /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3: Permission denied
[01:48] <Riddell> gah
[01:48] <Riddell> damnit
[01:48] <Riddell> thanks keyne
[01:49] <Riddell> keyne: sudo chmod 755 /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3 and let me know if it works
[01:51] <keyne> it seems to work here :)
[01:52] <keyne> but i had already enabled multiverse
[01:53] <keyne> i'll try without it
[01:53] <Riddell> keyne: thanks.  it offers the option to enable it if you don't have it enabled
[02:03] <keyne> If i start the script from console, it enables multiverse and install codec, but i don't get the kdesu dialog from amarok
[02:05] <keyne> nothing happens after i click "Yes" to enable multiverse
[02:07] <Riddell> no kdesu window?
[02:08] <keyne> no
[02:08] <Riddell> hmm
[02:14] <keyne> I've tried again, and I get it now
[02:15] <Riddell> spooky
[02:15] <keyne> i remove the "echo thing" and it works
[02:16] <keyne> the problem here is the "echo thing"
[02:17] <keyne> another thing: if you click cancel to kdesu, the script says MP3 support was installed
[02:20] <keyne> status code of kdesu is 0 if you cancel it
[02:23] <keyne> Riddell: sorry, I must get back to work now..
[02:24] <Riddell> thanks for your help
[02:24] <keyne> thanks for your update to amarok, i can't wait to try last.fm streams :)
[02:26] <abattoir> Riddell: hello :)
[02:26] <abattoir> Riddell: i finally heard from Kamion yesterday
[02:26] <Riddell> abattoir: oh?  what news?
[02:26] <abattoir> Riddell: he said he has started 'restructuring' and would have something for me to work on in a few days' time
[02:27] <Riddell> that's good stuff
[02:27] <abattoir> Riddell: I have also kinda worked on the UI
[02:27] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll put it up online soon...
[02:27] <Riddell> great
[02:27] <abattoir> so that you can tell me if you like the design
[02:28] <abattoir> Riddell: tying it to the backend shouldn't be too difficult... i hope ;)
[02:33] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=5526.0
[02:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: works good cept the install mp3 support dosent seem to do anything
[02:38] <Riddell> jpatrick: despite the title of that post it seems to be a positive review
[02:38] <Riddell> and all his negative points are either invalid or have easy answers
[02:38] <Riddell> imbrandon: nothing at all?
[02:38] <Riddell> imbrandon: oh, chmod 755 /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3
[02:38] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea nothing, nothing on sonsole or anythying
[02:38] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[02:38] <imbrandon> one sec
[02:39] <Riddell> that's fixed now for new downloads
[02:39] <imbrandon> did you build it against libvis 0.4 ?
[02:39] <imbrandon> heh
[02:39] <Riddell> no, we don't have libvisual 0.4
[02:40] <Riddell> feel free to package it
[02:40] <imbrandon> yea i noticed, i had to for beta
[02:40] <imbrandon> i built 0.4 if you want it
[02:41] <imbrandon> ahh yea works  much better now
[02:41] <imbrandon> coll
[02:41] <imbrandon> cool
[02:41] <Riddell> rocking
[02:42] <Riddell> put libvisual 0.4 on revu when you do it and let me know
[02:42] <bddebian> Heya folks
[02:42] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[02:42] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon, Riddell
[02:42] <Riddell> hi bddebian
[02:42] <imbrandon> ok Riddell give me about 5 min to grab it from my ftp and upload it
[02:43] <Riddell> imbrandon: if you have it available elsewhere it doesn't need to be on revu
[02:44] <imbrandon> yea http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/
[02:44] <imbrandon> at the bottom
[02:45] <imbrandon> libvis 0.4 and libvis 0.4 plugins both there
[02:45] <imbrandon> brb gonna grab some mt dew
[02:47] <Riddell> imbrandon: I take it libvisual has no binary compatibility between versions?
[02:50] <Riddell> imbrandon: looks find but there's a newer version now that it needs synced against, 0.2.0-4
[02:50] <Riddell> s/find/fine/
[02:52] <imbrandon> back
[02:52] <imbrandon> ok
[02:53] <Riddell> hi keyne
[02:53] <Riddell> kwwii
[02:53] <kwwii> howdy Riddell
[02:55] <jpatrick> it lives: http://tiber.tauware.de/~jpatrick/snap8.png
[02:56] <imbrandon> Riddell: 0.2.0-4 in dapper or is that in edgy ?
[02:56] <imbrandon> jpatrick: nice ;)
[02:57] <Riddell> imbrandon: in edgy
[02:57] <jpatrick> damn, 8 and a third days of music :/
[02:58] <jpatrick> Riddell: did they pull out moodbar?
[02:59] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes, seems so
[02:59] <jpatrick> :( no!
[02:59] <imbrandon> they reverted the layout changes too ;(
[02:59] <Riddell> yes
[03:00] <imbrandon> EATURES
[03:00] <imbrandon>     * Support for Last.fm streams
[03:00] <imbrandon>     * New icon theme
[03:00] <imbrandon>     * Creative Nomad Jukebox support
[03:00] <imbrandon>     * Support for custom scoring algorithms
[03:00] <imbrandon>     * ATF - Advanced Tag Features
[03:00] <imbrandon> CHANGES
[03:00] <imbrandon>     * Disabled INotify support due to stability problems
[03:00] <imbrandon>     * Removed Moodbar
[03:00] <imbrandon> ^^ jpatrick
[03:00] <jpatrick> imbrandon: someone's going to get lynched...
[03:01] <imbrandon> heh
[03:01] <imbrandon> as long as it works with my ipod i'm happy
[03:01] <imbrandon> lol
[03:01] <jpatrick> I'm going to test the last.fm thingys
[03:03] <jpatrick> ok that didn't work...
[03:03] <imbrandon> ...
[03:03] <jpatrick> it just froze up
[03:03] <imbrandon> ouch
[03:04] <jpatrick> but my page rocks: http://www.last.fm/user/antidragon/
[03:04] <jpatrick> now amarok won't load...
[03:05] <imbrandon> Riddell: you going to sym link this to amarok-latest ? just wondering cuz i'll post on buntudot.org this morning if you are ready
[03:06] <Riddell> imbrandon: if you think the packages work I can do that
[03:06] <imbrandon> yea works fine here, been playing with it the last 20 mins or so
[03:07] <imbrandon> do wrong chan sorry guys
[03:08] <jpatrick> imbrandon: that what they always say
[03:08] <imbrandon> heh
[03:08] <Riddell> imbrandon: done
[03:08] <jpatrick> hmm, rap
[03:08] <imbrandon> cool posting now
[03:09] <imbrandon> jpatrick: yea i listen to rock rap classical country , you name it
[03:24] <imbrandon> Riddell: posted ;)
[03:24] <Riddell> groovy
[03:24] <imbrandon> http://www.buntudot.org/2006/07/05/amarok-141-released/
[03:31] <imbrandon> Riddell:
[03:31] <imbrandon> [08:29]  <Snake[Sleep] > imbrandon: yo
[03:31] <imbrandon> [08:29]  <Snake[Sleep] > Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[03:31] <nixternal> same here
[03:33] <jpatrick> that was my problem
[03:33] <jpatrick> I have to fetch them via wget
[03:33] <nixternal> there isn't anything in the directory thats way ;(
[03:33] <nixternal> there is kargon and kgraph?
[03:33] <nixternal> kchart
[03:34] <imbrandon> hmm i installed via apt but is seems like the sym link isnt pointing to the right place Riddell
[03:34] <imbrandon> got kchart and  some other stuff
[03:35] <imbrandon> kchart and karbon
[03:35] <Riddell> imbrandon: where was that?
[03:35] <Riddell> jpatrick: try now
[03:35] <imbrandon> http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/pool-dapper/
[03:36] <jpatrick> Err http://kubuntu.org dapper/main Packages
[03:36] <jpatrick>   404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[03:37] <DaSkreech> 1.4.1?
[03:37] <nixternal> http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141/pool-dapper/
[03:37] <imbrandon> http://www.buntudot.org/2006/07/05/amarok-141-released/
[03:38] <imbrandon> yea Riddell just looks like the ln -s for amarok-latest isnt pointing to amarok-141
[03:39] <DaSkreech> Aren't they pushing a 1.4.1a now?
[03:39] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: that WAS 1.4.0a
[03:39] <imbrandon> now 1.4.1
[03:40] <DaSkreech> Pretty sure there was last.fm bug in 1.4.1
[03:40] <DaSkreech> In any case :)
[03:41] <Riddell> imbrandon: ok, really fixed now
[03:41] <imbrandon> hehe ok thanks Riddell
[03:42] <\sh> so
[03:42] <imbrandon> heya \sh
[03:42] <\sh> moins
[03:43] <jjesse> morning
[03:44] <\sh> doing my merges now...and figuring out how to push pyqt4 in
[03:44] <Riddell> hi \sh, what's the status of pyqt3 and pykde3?
[03:44] <\sh> Riddell: they are all synced...pykde3 I just uploaded to rebuild this morning..
[03:45] <\sh> Riddell: the new pyqt3,sip4 stuff is just depeding on actualy python in main, so I don't need to touch it anymore...same applies to pykde3
[03:45] <Riddell> \sh: did you see the upload doko did the other dayu?
[03:47] <\sh> Riddell: which one?
[03:47] <\sh> doko didn't upload any sip4,pyqt,pykde packages as far as I can see on edgy-updates
[03:49] <Riddell> [edgy-changes]  Accepted python-kde3 3.15.2+20060422-2
[03:49] <Riddell> 04 July
[03:51] <\sh> Riddell: sync :)
[03:51] <\sh> Riddell: but the sync never build, because python-sip4 and python-qt3 weren't ready, that's why I uploaded this morning a python-kde3_3.15.2+20060422-2build1
[03:52] <Riddell> so we're back in sync with debian?
[03:52] <\sh> jepp
[03:53] <\sh> which is good :)
[03:53] <Riddell> exellent
[04:00] <\sh> actually I'm feeling really good, to be back in action :)
[05:18] <Hobbsee> hi all
[05:19] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell, how are you doing?
[05:19] <jjesse> morning Hobbsee
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse
[05:19] <jjesse> deaded?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah, killed.
[05:20] <Hobbsee> mum's very very pissed off at me.
[05:20] <jjesse> bummer
[05:20] <bddebian> Uh oh
[05:20] <Hobbsee> cool, amarok 1.4.1 packages.
[05:21] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Hiya!
[05:21] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[05:21] <DaSkreech> Podcast? of your funeral?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:21] <Hobbsee> no
[05:21] <Hobbsee> a kubuntu one
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Where abouts?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it'll be on the fridge.ubuntu.com site
[05:23] <DaSkreech> No sneak peaks?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you spelt cannonical wrong.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i didnt do the recording
[05:24] <DaSkreech> ok :)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: but it has my warped way of saying kubuntu (ouch!  let me type over talking any day of the week!)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> unless i can just skip saying weirdly pronouced words!
[05:24] <Hobbsee> hiya mdz
[05:25] <DaSkreech> well the pronounciation isn't cannonical :)
[05:25] <mdz> morning
[05:25] <bddebian> Heya mdz
[05:26] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: no, it's more kubuntu/ubuntu that i hate tryign to say :P
[05:26] <Hobbsee> with my accent and all.
[05:27] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Man When is songBirdnest coming out?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: what, the final, or in repos?
[05:28] <DaSkreech> Final. I don't expect it in repos ofr over a year
[05:28] <DaSkreech>  It' barely works on Linux currently
[05:28] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: if you can package it, and it's relatively stable, i think it might get in?
[05:29] <DaSkreech> Thats a negative on all of those :)
[05:29] <DaSkreech> It's held together by wishes currentlt
[05:29] <DaSkreech> currently
[05:29] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:35] <DaSkreech> It looks cool though. I could visit fridge.ubuntu.com and it would automatically make a playlist of any playable media on the site
[05:35] <Hobbsee> nice
[05:35] <DaSkreech> Yeah. So I can just play the site :)
[05:51] <seaLne> Hobbsee: good luck on getting stuff on fridge its a week and a half since i mailed them about the latest behindubuntu interview and still no sign of it on there
[05:52] <Hobbsee> seaLne: jdub recorded it, and wouldnt let us leave without doing it :P
[05:52] <seaLne> ah you may have better luck then
[05:52] <Hobbsee> seaLne: also, jdub's mostly in charge of it, and is still recovering
[06:02] <seaLne> Riddell: http://www.duffus.org/photos/v/misc/brighton/ if you were still looking for them, not particuarly great but then lighting was a bit crap
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Doh Forgot to ask hobbsee why she was dead
[06:04] <seaLne> Riddell: http://www.duffus.org/photos/v/misc/brighton/img_1545.JPEG.html is possibly the least crap of them
[06:05] <Riddell> seaLne: where you can see the audience browsing the internet instead of listening to me :)
[06:05] <seaLne> heh
[07:18] <nixternal> well hello there!
[07:29] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[07:29] <nixternal> hiya bddebian
[08:14] <DaSkreech> hi bddebian
[08:14] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech
[08:15] <DaSkreech> Hi sensei
[08:15] <sensei> Hey
[10:17] <Lure> Riddell: around?
[10:17] <Riddell> hi Lure
[10:17] <Lure> hi
[10:18] <Lure> Riddell: regarding laptop buttons: how did you think amarok (or any other player) should catch XF86xxx events or will we patch kmilo for each key
[10:19] <Lure> and then kmilo would call appropriate app
[10:19] <Riddell> Lure: set a global key binding
[10:19] <Lure> allee's point is valid: multiple apps may be interested in same keyboard events (Play, Pause...)
[10:19] <Lure> Riddell: so patch amarok?
[10:20] <Riddell> yes
[10:20] <Lure> ok, I am testing new kmilo just on my desktop with mm keyboard and it works (without setting keyboard layout)
[10:21] <Lure> but I need to get edgy on laptop to be able to test further
[10:21] <Lure> should I send debdiff by debdiff or do you want one big bang?
[10:22] <Lure> Riddell: btw, amarok is still 1.3.9 on my edgy - is 1.4.1 going in soon?
[10:23] <allee> Lure: thx ;)
[10:23] <Riddell> Lure: it's uploaded but stuck on the iriver library not being in main
[10:24] <Lure> Riddell: will wait for it and patch then
[10:27] <mdz> Riddell: in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageManager the spec says "searches as OR not as a complete string" but surely it means AND?
[10:28] <Riddell> mdz: sounds likely, mornfall around to confirm?
[10:28] <Riddell> mdz: I'd assume it should be AND
[10:29] <Riddell> Lure: is the code for your kmilo stuff available
[10:30] <mdz> mornfall: ^^^
[10:32] <Lure> Riddell: I just have xmodmap for some keys (the one I can test - not sure where to get complete list of keycodes - probably need to ping sladen)
[10:33] <Lure> I would like to add all kmilo changes (starting apps like konqueror, amarok, kmail...) and then send it to you
[10:33] <Lure> then we are only left to patch individual apps to add accelerators
[10:34] <Lure> Riddell: is it ok to change wiki page after it was approved (tables, add keycodes...)
[10:35] <Riddell> Lure: yeah, I think you can edit the tables bits
[10:36] <Riddell> speaking of which, freeflying, imbrandon: where's the latest kopete source?
[10:41] <jpatrick> Riddell: I think you scared him away^
[10:41] <bddebian> hehe
[10:42] <nixternal> [15:39]  <-- freeflying has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by pe*riddell*er)).
[10:42] <nixternal> interesting ;)
[10:42] <nixternal> well hello everyone
[10:42] <jjesse> boo
[11:02] <imbrandon> Riddell: afaik you have it in /~jriddell/kopete i havent touched it in a week or two
[11:02] <Riddell> imbrandon: cool
[11:07] <Lure> Riddell: can you change bug 52021 to wishlist?
[11:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52021 in kdeadmin "Does not support 802.1x/WPA management" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52021
[11:08] <Riddell> Lure: can't you?
[11:08] <Lure> Riddell: no, I can only say Confirmed
[11:09] <Lure> not sure who can change Importance from Untriaged...
[11:10] <Lure> Riddell: I think this was changed recently (when Importance was instroduced)
[11:10] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder how a person gets edit rights to that
[11:10] <Lure> Riddell: maybe if you are owner of a package?
[11:35] <Lure> Riddell: is Settings K-menu entry (with only Printers) intentional on edgy?
[11:36] <Riddell> Lure: nope
[11:36] <Lure> I thought so...
[11:36] <Lure> (and I got xmms again :-(
[11:38] <pygi> Lure, indeed :P
[11:39] <Riddell> Lure: brought in by what?
[11:43] <pygi> kwwii, poke, I need your advice :)
[11:43] <kwwii> pygi: how can I help?
[11:43] <Lure> pygi: I think karamba again...
[11:44] <pygi> kwwii, which one seems better...
[11:44] <pygi> http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/4608/pynet25hh.png
[11:44] <pygi> http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8640/pynet11fh.png
[11:44] <kwwii> pygi: the first one is definitely better
[11:45] <kwwii> the text has much more impact
[11:45] <pygi> kwwii, oki, thanks :P
[11:45] <pygi> I just noticed also that I written wrong text :)
[11:45] <pygi> Thank you very much for advice :)
[11:46] <kwwii> no prob :-)
[11:46] <kwwii> small spelling error is all
[11:46] <pygi> nah, it should be "Tommorow is here"
[11:47] <pygi> kwwii, should I add full stops at end?
[11:48] <kwwii> pygi: I think it is ok without them
[11:48] <pygi> oki :)
[11:48] <kwwii> perhaps after the second line, to add a bit of finality to the statement
[11:48] <kwwii> closure
[11:48] <kwwii> but it might looks worse
[11:49] <pygi> oki, then it will stay as it is :)