[00:00] <xubuntu046Arcadi> Hi, I have problem with vmware player instalation. If I try to install vmware player in Ubuntu software center, after few seconds pop up emplty debconf window and instalation is frozen...
[00:00] <xubuntu046Arcadi> *empty
[00:01] <xubuntu046Arcadi> In procesing part of Ubuntu software center is VMware, but do nothing. I cant cancel it.
[00:01] <xubuntu046Arcadi> I try to reboot, after reboot is procesing part empty, but if I try reinstall, I bee at same situation.
[00:02] <xubuntu046Arcadi> Can you help me?
[00:11] <patas> Hello, I've been trying to connect two GPU (Sapphire 7970 GHz) to a Gigabyte mobo (990fxa-UD5). My system is Xubuntu 12.04.3 (64bit). First, I installed Xubuntu. Second I installed AMD Catalyst drivers, when drivers install is finished I reboot, then Xubuntu starts but complaining about a 'ERROR - X needs to be running to perform AMD Overdrive(TM) commands' and Xubuntu GUI doesn't start just the shell. Help me please. Thanks.
[00:16] <GridCube> patas, from the shell, can you try to run xinit?
[00:18] <patas> yes, i did but without success
[00:19] <patas> I don't remember the message but it was another error.
[00:21] <patas> Do you think it could be related to some issue on the mobo? I mean something in the BIOS...
[00:22] <GridCube> i would not bet on that
[00:22] <GridCube> i would blame the ati drivers first
[00:29] <patas> The first time I installed Ubuntu on that mobo only Ubuntu 32bit ran. 64bit didn't recognised neither the keyboard or mouse. Then I found out that enabling IOMMU controller in the BIOS was the solution. So I thought the BIOS could be the answer now.
[00:33] <patas> But, I tried both beta and stable version of drivers...
[00:34] <patas> Do you think it's a good idea remove the drivers and reinstall them?
[00:44] <Orioa> thats what i would do...use the one that says it is recomended
[00:48] <patas> I'll try. thanks.
[01:16] <xubuntu832arcadi> Hi, I have problem with install vmware player, can you help me?
[01:19] <Orioa> i do not use vmware so no clue sorry
[01:19] <xubuntu832arcadi> ubuntu software center dont work regulary.
[01:19] <xubuntu832arcadi> ok
[01:20] <xubuntu832arcadi> Sometimes i have buggy window named debconf.
[01:21] <xubuntu832arcadi> the window is without any information, its clean :(
[03:07] <emma> How does the latest xubuntu look?
[03:07] <emma> Im thinking about switching
[03:09] <knightshade> emma: http://xubuntu.org/screenshots/
[03:11] <emma> why do you like xubuntu? what would be your sales pitch?
[03:12] <Chanshark> its good
[03:13] <Chanshark> also by the way does anyone know where pre-installed ruby folder is located?
[03:13] <knightshade> emma: it's mostly free (as in freedom and free beer) :>
[03:14] <ghostkernel> knightshade:What do you know about free beer?
[03:16] <nyRednek> any clue when next LTS is coming out?
[03:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> april?
[03:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> iirc
[03:23] <Chanshark> anyone know if there is a negative effect of installing rails to xubuntu's pre-installed ruby?
[03:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> don't even know what they are. :(
[03:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't program. I'm lucky to know what ruby is.
[03:26] <ghostkernel> LOL@Poisoned_Dragon
[03:26] <Poisoned_Dragon> XD
[03:59] <xubuntu960> wow! great
[03:59] <xubuntu960> is there someone that can snwer some generic questions about xubuntu?
[04:00] <xubuntu960> xubuntu 13.x
[04:02] <Chanshark> depends on the question :)
[04:02] <xubuntu960> ah!ok
[04:02] <xubuntu960> yes
[04:02] <xubuntu960> i'm going to use remastersys on an 10GB Xubuntu installation
[04:03] <xubuntu960> i read some about the opportunity to modify GRUB and SPLASH screens, and naturally, the packages list
[04:03] <xubuntu960> but i don't know if it is allowed
[04:03] <xubuntu960> by Xubuntu Terms,,,,
[04:03] <Chanshark> oh, i dont know
[04:04] <xubuntu960> ah! lol!
[04:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> I missed the question.
[04:05] <ObrienDave> I'm sure you can add an image to grub background
[04:05] <xubuntu960> ahahah no problem....is an hard question
[04:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, it's a grub thing. I'm clueless.
[04:05] <xubuntu960> yes, but it's not only a restyle
[04:06] <xubuntu960> it's a kinda of modding
[04:06] <ObrienDave> and I had an image for login screen. don't remember how I did that ;P
[04:10] <Chanshark> brb
[04:15] <Chanshark> is anyone else have a weird text corruptionish looking thing problem?
[04:16] <ObrienDave> what kind of "weird text corruptionish looking thing problem"?
[04:17] <Chanshark> so like im typing and when every once and a while the text will be like looking sorta corrupted like for example if it was a "e" you would not really be able to tell it was
[04:18] <ObrienDave> can you pastebin a screenshot for us?
[04:18] <ObrienDave> or imgur?
[04:18] <Chanshark> umm yea give me a second i need it to show up
[04:19] <ObrienDave> k
[04:20] <Chanshark> but i guess now its not showing up XD , but when i highlight it, it fixes the text
[04:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> You mean like parts of the letter are missing?
[04:22] <Chanshark> yeah
[04:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> I sometimes get that effect on my eeepc 701 netbook. I think, in that regard, it has something to do with the intel gpu.
[04:55] <Chanshark> ObrienDave:  it happened again but i went to get the screenshot application and when the menu dropped down it fixed itself lol
[04:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[04:56] <ObrienDave> suspect your integrated graphics is taxing the limits of it's memory ;)
[04:58] <Chanshark> also it only started happening when i updated xubuntu
[05:08] <nonuby> whats the latest solution to the leak in clojure web apps in servlet container (i.e. immutant/jboss), is it safe to use 1.6.0alpha2 if I not in my layers doing any thread local rebinding?
[05:09] <nonuby> wrong room doh
[05:18] <lachvalk> Anyone here run Balsa as an email client?
[07:21] <greenmockingbird> hey guys new xubuntu user here
[07:22] <greenmockingbird> looking forsome help onscrypts @ startup
[07:22] <greenmockingbird> I put my scrypt in rc.local but it still does not execute on startup
[07:23] <greenmockingbird> I can run it manually but it needsto runon start up. anyone know where I can check a log to find out why it fails to run?
[07:23] <baizon> greenmockingbird: why no adding it to session and startup?
[07:24] <baizon> working there for me :)
[07:25] <greenmockingbird> I made a scrypt to call the scrypt i need in etc/profile.d also but no go
[07:25] <greenmockingbird> is that what you mean?
[07:25] <baizon> greenmockingbird: http://askubuntu.com/questions/304201/what-are-all-the-autostart-locations-in-ubuntu
[07:25] <greenmockingbird> just installed it tonight and have had a crash corse in trying to learn
[07:25] <ObrienDave> might have to make the calling script executable
[07:25] <greenmockingbird> right on! thanks I'll check there and give it a shot
[07:25] <greenmockingbird> chmod +x right
[07:26] <baizon> oha, ok
[07:26] <baizon> +x is a different thing :P
[07:26] <greenmockingbird> i'm using 12.10 if that matters
[07:26] <koegs> greenmockingbird: what does it? should it execute, when the system start or when you login? keep in mind rc.local does execute it as root, not as your user
[07:26] <ObrienDave> shouldn't
[07:26] <greenmockingbird> oooooooh well that helps out a lot
[07:27] <greenmockingbird> thats cool its a mining scrypt
[07:27] <greenmockingbird> have several running win but wanted to give this a try, after setup i think it'l; be better
[07:28] <greenmockingbird> how would Imake the scrypt executable
[07:29] <koegs> greenmockingbird: actually it is called a "script", not "scrypt", might come in handy when you try to google something :)
[07:30] <greenmockingbird> lol thanks
[07:30] <greenmockingbird> just noticed I was typing that
[07:30] <koegs> and yes, "chmod +x yourfile" will make it executable
[07:30] <greenmockingbird> ok
[07:31] <greenmockingbird> I followed cryptobadgers guide for linux setup fr xubuntu 12.10 and elected to not upgrade to 13, wanting to stay with the guide if I had any issues
[07:32] <greenmockingbird> already found and fixed the "x needs to be running" issue
[07:32] <greenmockingbird> had an issue with it hanging on shutdown or reboot and fixed that through the workaround also
[07:33] <greenmockingbird> but this startup script has me stumped, that and in my tinkering grub now wont autoboot... tried editingthe grub file and that got me nowhere
[07:34] <greenmockingbird> so, I'm tackeling one issue at a time
[07:37] <greenmockingbird> in my rc.local file I've added a line /home/miner2/miner_launcher.sh 30 &
[07:38] <greenmockingbird> there is nothing else there except exit 0 at the end of the file...
[07:38] <greenmockingbird> havei missed something on calling the script?
[07:38] <greenmockingbird> and yes miner_launcher.sh has been chmod +x
[07:41] <greenmockingbird> I can run miner_launcher.sh directly and it works normally but it just wontload on startup
[07:42] <ObrienDave> add it to startup and sessions, autostart
[07:43] <greenmockingbird> etc/init.d and /etc/xdg/autostart/ correct?
[07:44] <ObrienDave> i dunno, i go through GUI ;P
[07:44] <greenmockingbird> lol
[07:44] <greenmockingbird> right on cant hurt lol
[07:45] <ObrienDave> gave up most CLI stuff at WIN95 ;P
[08:15] <assistente> if i boot the standard xubuntu livecd, network come up and takes ip from dhcp, and default router and dns. If i boot the customized cd ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization ) the network don't come up. someone can help me to understand why?
[08:16] <ObrienDave> !crosspost
[08:39] <assistente> i have 2 problem with a xubuntu customized livecd: 1) /etc/resolv.conf is not created by dhcp  2) volume control on the xfree taskbar don't work. howto fix? i followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[08:45] <ObrienDave> assistente, there is a fix for the volume control. now let's see if I can find it LOL
[08:47] <ObrienDave> try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/360806/volume-indicator-issue-after-xubuntu-13-10-upgrade
[08:50] <xubuntu773> please any one help me how to install cs6 in xubuntu 13.04
[08:50] <xubuntu773> ?
[08:51] <ObrienDave> cs6?
[08:52] <ObrienDave> you mean like, Adobe CS6? wouldn't that require WINE?
[08:58] <elfy> yea - but they've gone now :)
[08:59] <ObrienDave> yea, POOFERS ;P
[09:03] <assistente> ObrienDave, your solution works! i edit also the customized livecd
[09:03] <ObrienDave> glad to be of assistance :) thank you for letting me know :))
[09:03] <elfy> the fix for that has been releases I believe
[09:03] <assistente> i have also this other problem:  /etc/resolv.conf is not created by dhcp when i boot xubuntu customized cd
[09:04] <ObrienDave> elfy, I think he's starting with the live ISO, then customizing
[09:05] <elfy> yea - but I believe the fix is released now
[09:05] <elfy> though whether it's made it to 12.10 iso's I don't know - was just a comment
[09:39] <assistente> i have also this other problem:  /etc/resolv.conf is not created by dhcp when i boot xubuntu customized cd
[09:58] <assistente> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2193298 someone can help me?
[10:00] <ObrienDave> !crosspost | assistente
[10:01] <assistente> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2193298 someone can help me?there none answer for now ;P
[10:01] <ObrienDave> also see !patience
[10:01] <ObrienDave> !patience
[10:03] <assistente> okY
[10:36] <amjjawad> Hello elfy :)
[10:37]  * ObrienDave thinks elfy is AFK
[10:38] <amjjawad> ObrienDave, no problem :) nothing urgent :) thank you!
[10:39] <ObrienDave> welcome
[10:47] <Unit193> amjjawad: This is a support channel, if you have a question just ask and anyone that's here right now and knows will likely answer.
[10:49] <amjjawad> Unit193, I am aware of that, thank you :) I have nothing urgent and I have no support Q :) thank you again :)
[10:53] <amjjawad> Unit193, but since you are here, an IRC Q just now popped into my mind. When someone clicks on my name here on IRC, I want him/her to see some details like my Wiki Page. How can I do that?
[10:54] <Unit193> May not be the right channel for that, I don't know what client, look up the realname config for it though.
[10:55] <ObrienDave> hmm, AFAIK whois is as close as one could get
[10:55] <Unit193> yep.
[10:55] <elfy> that's offtopic for here though
[10:55] <elfy> hello amjjawad
[10:55] <Unit193> Best to ask the channel rather than targetting people.
[10:55] <amjjawad> elfy, hello :) and I know this is off-topic ;)
[10:56] <Myrtti> /msg nickserv help set property
[10:56] <amjjawad> ObrienDave, I know "whois" will display that but I want it to display my wiki page
[10:56] <amjjawad> that what I was asking but again, nothing urgent nor serious
[10:56] <Myrtti> then set your wikipage as your realname
[10:57] <amjjawad> amjjawad is my IRC name and Wiki Page as well
[10:57] <Myrtti> I think you're confused with what IRC is then
[10:58] <Unit193> Sounds like.
[10:58] <amjjawad> "<Unit193> Best to ask the channel rather than targetting people." << Unit193 what do you mean?
[10:59] <Myrtti> besides, you're not registered on this IRC network so technically amjjawad isn't 'your IRC name'
[11:00] <amjjawad> 3 years ago, I did that but I am not an IRC type of user and I guess I will never be :) I just don't like it much :)
[11:01] <amjjawad> never mind, it seems I am asking a hard Q in the wrong place :)
[11:01] <Myrtti> no, you're just not getting the answers you want
[11:01] <cfhowlett> amjjawad, ?? start buntu amjjawad
[11:01] <Myrtti> the question is easy
[11:01] <cfhowlett> ?
[11:01] <elfy> Myrtti: indeed
[11:01] <amjjawad> cfhowlett, yep
[11:02] <amjjawad> Myrtti, never mind, please ignore my Q :)
[11:02] <cfhowlett> amjjawad, as you didn't answer my email: the ubuntustudio logo is wrong.  I've got the official logo if you want it ...
[11:02] <amjjawad> cfhowlett, I am not answering any email because I am so busy in Real Life with my campaign/Project
[11:03] <amjjawad> but I have seen it. And I am not the one who created the artwork, it is Rafael, Lubuntu Artwork Team Leader so I will let him know :)
[11:03] <cfhowlett> amjjawad, noted ... does make it problematic to communicate with you, however ...
[11:03] <elfy> can we take the offtopic stuff elsewhere please
[11:03] <cfhowlett> elfy, right.  sorry
[11:03] <amjjawad> elfy, do you have an offtopic channel?
[11:04] <ObrienDave> #xubuntu-offtopic
[11:04] <amjjawad> ObrienDave, thanks :)
[11:17] <amjjawad> hope my next Q is NOT offtopic :)
[11:17] <amjjawad> Xubuntu 12.04 and Xubuntu 13.10 = I have noticed that 12.04 is much stable and faster. Is it only me?
[11:17] <amjjawad> obviously it is stable but it is faster too!
[11:18] <sambal> Is there a way I can default ubuntu 13.10 to boot to command line only and not to GUI by default? When I want, I want to be able to launch XFCE
[11:18] <TheSheep> amjjawad: what is faster exactly?
[11:18] <amjjawad> TheSheep, everything
[11:19] <Myrtti> if you've tried them in succession on the same device then it's no surprise if the older one is faster. It's always a tradeoff.
[11:19] <amjjawad> I have installed Xubuntu 12.04 on HP Mini VIA C7 M CPU with 512MB RAM and it is going great
[11:19] <Myrtti> sambal: I'm sure there's a way to set up so lightdm doesn't automatically start
[11:19] <sambal> Maybe you can check what is running in 13.10 that you want to stop, if you do not need
[11:19] <TheSheep> sambal: sure, just disable lightdm in the boot scripts
[11:19] <amjjawad> Lubuntu 13.10 failed to be installed on that machine so I had to choose Xub 12.04
[11:19] <sambal> Myrtti: But even if lightdm does not start, will networking start up?
[11:20] <Myrtti> sambal: sure
[11:20] <sambal> Good :)
[11:20] <Myrtti> they're not related
[11:20] <Unit193> sambal: Change /etc/default/grub and add  text  to defualt options
[11:20] <Unit193> (So,  quiet splash text, or remove those others for text log.)
[11:20] <sambal> So the laptop can still connect to the wifi without me having to give the details?
[11:21] <cub> amjjawad, do you have any figures to support that or is it user experience that "everything is faster"?
[11:21] <sambal> I thought the wifi negotiation happened after I logged onto XFCE.
[11:22] <amjjawad> cub, my findings :)
[11:22] <amjjawad> I am converting my neighborhood to Linux and I am using Xubuntu 12.04 as my first choice unless the machine is super weak and low
[11:23] <sambal> Well, if 12.04 is working fine, just use it, man
[11:23] <amjjawad> 11 laptops have been converted so far and Xubuntu 12.04 was installed on many of these even the one with 512MB RAM where 13.10 releases failed
[11:24] <amjjawad> sambal, this is what I am using on 'my' personal machines recently. I have switched from Lub to Xub
[11:24] <amjjawad>  but when I asked on the mailing list the other day, many advised to use the latest 13.10
[11:24] <amjjawad> I guess I will stick to 12.04 and wait for 14.04
[11:24] <Myrtti> I can't remember if 12.04 was LTS for Xubuntu
[11:24] <ObrienDave> yes
[11:24] <amjjawad> Yes Myrtti it is
[11:25] <sambal> amjjawad: Yep, just stick to what works :) You can upgrade whatever packages are needed
[11:25] <amjjawad> can I then upgrade 'directly' from 12.04 to 14.04 without going through 13.04 and 13.10 ???
[11:25] <Myrtti> then sure, if there's no glaring problems with 12.04, use it
[11:25] <ObrienDave> amjjawad, yes
[11:25] <Myrtti> that's the goal at least
[11:25] <sambal> My 13.10 install is not 30 mins done yet. Slowly downloading stuff
[11:25] <cub> amjjawad, yes you should be able to upgrade from LTS to the next LTS
[11:25] <amjjawad> that is great news :D
[11:26] <sambal> What makes you think 14.04 will install where 13.10 failed? :o
[11:26] <amjjawad> do you expect a newcomers to Linux to be able to do that alone?
[11:26] <cub> amjjawad, you mean upgrade?
[11:26] <amjjawad> cub, yes
[11:26] <sambal> You can tell them what to do :p Edit 1 file, and then upgrade
[11:27] <amjjawad> note that they are totally NEW :)
[11:27] <Myrtti> sambal: there's not file editing involved, just one command
[11:27] <Myrtti> s/not/no/
[11:27] <sambal> See, even better, amjjawad
[11:27] <sambal> They just execute a command
[11:27] <amjjawad> but I keep a list of their names and phone numbers etc and they are not so far but the number is increasing day after day
[11:27] <sambal> I used to edit the sources.list file, but if there is a command, can just use it
[11:27] <cub> I'm not sure which thread we're talking about now. New users being able to upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04? Or new users being able to use 12.04 and upgrade some packages?
[11:28] <sambal> The first one, cub
[11:28] <amjjawad> I am talking about the upgrade process from 12.04 to 14.04
[11:29] <sambal> Is there a package that helps to find the fastest mirror?
[11:29] <Myrtti> sambal: you can do that from the gui
[11:29] <sambal> Myrtti: What to use?
[11:29] <Myrtti> atleast if things aren't too different from main Ubuntu
[11:30] <amjjawad> sambal, I usually go to Synaptic and change the server if needed
[11:30] <sambal> Do you get a list of servers there?
[11:30] <amjjawad> sambal, sure I do
[11:31] <amjjawad> I choose "select best server"
[11:31] <Myrtti> http://askubuntu.com/a/37825
[11:31] <cub> I believe the Software Updater will announce that there's is a new version to upgrade to and ask the user if they want to upgrade to 14.04? Should be as "simple" as Windows Update or the Mac updates
[11:31] <Myrtti> cub: indeed
[11:31] <sambal> I don't think Synaptic is installed by default on my laptop
[11:31] <sambal> And this is a clean 13.10 install
[11:32] <amjjawad> cub, yes, I am aware but for a newcomer, I just don't want them to mess around with their installation
[11:32] <amjjawad> sambal, oh, I am using 12.04 right now so not sure about 13.10
[11:32] <Myrtti> sambal: there should be an equivalent of software sources or similar
[11:32] <Myrtti> if nothing else, you should get there from the software updater options
[11:33] <sambal> There is. Software manager, or something
[11:33] <amjjawad> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[11:33] <amjjawad> I am not a fan of Software Centers
[11:33] <sambal> Yeah, installed synaptic. Let me check that.
[11:33] <amjjawad> sambal, sure :) tyt
[11:34] <amjjawad> I want to do a test. I want to 'force' upgrade 12.04 to Trusty
[11:34] <amjjawad> can someone please remind me how to do that?
[11:35] <Myrtti> sudo do-release-upgrade -d If I remember right
[11:35] <sambal> Bah. There are 2 mirrors in Singapore.
[11:35] <sambal> Excellent.
[11:35] <amjjawad> Myrtti, and no need to change anything else? a file or something, right?
[11:35] <Myrtti> well
[11:35] <Myrtti> do you have ppa's set up?
[11:35] <sambal> apt-get update took 5 seconds. Down from 3-4 minutes
[11:36] <amjjawad> Myrtti, for the test I want to do, nop
[11:36] <amjjawad> sambal, wow, super nice ... enjoy :D
[11:36] <Myrtti> then it probably just works
[11:36] <amjjawad> Myrtti, thanks, I will do a fresh new installation for Xub 12.04 on my test machine (P4 with less than 512MB RAM) and test that :)
[11:39] <sambal> Any of you here use LateX or TeX/
[11:39] <amjjawad> grrr. no default or UI configuration found :/
[11:40] <amjjawad> http://phillw.net/hardware/BnA9pw11 << my test machine
[11:40] <Myrtti> sambal: sure
[11:40] <amjjawad> and I am using the same LiveUSB I have used to do 10 installations of Xub 12.04 :/
[11:40] <ObrienDave> disk went bad?
[11:41] <amjjawad> I just used it a while ago and it worked :(
[11:41] <amjjawad> my test PC does not like my LiveUSB
[11:41] <ObrienDave> what's a "while ago"
[11:41] <ObrienDave> never mind, assumed DVD
[11:41] <amjjawad> few hours ago maybe
[11:42] <amjjawad> I've been using the same USB for weeks now
[11:42] <assistente> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2193298 someone can help me?
[11:43] <amjjawad> it says: Error, no configuration file found - No default or UI config directive found
[11:44] <sambal> Is there a post install script that I can run to check and install packages if I want to?
[11:45] <amjjawad> sambal, there is a command that lists all the installed packages but I forgot it :(
[11:45] <sambal> Um
[11:45] <sambal> dpkg -l | grep ii will give me the installed packages
[11:45] <sambal> I don't want that.
[11:45] <amjjawad> http://askubuntu.com/questions/17823/how-to-list-all-installed-packages
[11:45] <amjjawad> is this what you want?
[11:46] <sambal> Post install - a walkthrough to let me know if I have missed out on things. Like install some restricted codes, or fonts, etc
[11:46] <amjjawad> sambal, not sure but I always do: apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras after each and every install
[11:47] <amjjawad> that is more than enough for me. Then add step my step the programs I need to use like GParted, Shotwel, VLC, etc
[11:48] <sambal> amjjawad: Oh okay
[11:48] <sambal> Just ran that
[11:48] <amjjawad> sambal, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[11:49] <sambal> What is shotwel?
[11:49] <Myrtti> photo management software
[11:49] <amjjawad> Myrtti, I can't dig deeper into the LiveUSB and why it is not booting now so I will upgrade 13.10 to Trusty and then try maybe with a virtual machine for 12.04 to TT
[11:49] <amjjawad> sambal, I use it to crop the images and I like it
[11:50] <amjjawad> it is the default with Ubuntu GNOME :)
[12:14] <amjjawad> do-release-upgrade -d ... upgrading 13.10 to Trusty in progress :)
[12:14]  * ObrienDave is not that brave ;P
[12:15] <knome> this isn't the right channel to discuss that
[12:15] <amjjawad> knome, ?
[12:16] <knome> amjjawad, trusty isn't released; you can discuss upgrading to it in #ubuntu+1
[12:16] <amjjawad> I have been discussing with the guys here about how to do upgrade, etc
[12:16] <amjjawad> I did not know it is NOT allowed :)
[12:16] <amjjawad> why everything is not allowed here? this is the 2nd time :)
[12:17] <amjjawad> no one told me to take that elsewhere - about upgrading
[12:17] <amjjawad> anyway, it is ok!!!!
[12:21]  * cfhowlett thinks installing a pre-alpha release is ... not adviseable
[12:23] <ObrienDave> it's not on their main computer ;)
[12:42] <amjjawad> cfhowlett, upgrade failed anyway :D so will leave it now, I am not in the mood
[12:45] <koegs> does catfish support wildcards?
[12:45] <ObrienDave> yes
[12:46] <koegs> so i click "type = Videos", select the location and how do i search for "all videos"?
[12:48] <ObrienDave> *
[12:48] <koegs> ok, wasnt patient enough, thx
[12:51] <ObrienDave> linux does not recognize file extensions the same way as windows. it's just a part of the file name
[12:52] <koegs> i know
[12:52] <ObrienDave> k
[13:29] <assistente> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2193298 solutions?
[14:32] <greenmockingbird> ok so i've tried adding my script to rc.local and /etc/profile.d/ and no luck
[14:33] <greenmockingbird> tried using the gui and manually added it to session/startup application autostartup but the script still does not start when the system boots
[14:33] <greenmockingbird> any ideas?
[14:33] <greenmockingbird> the script is executable and I can call it manually from terminal
[14:35] <greenmockingbird> ohhhhh now i can't call that script directly.....
[14:36] <greenmockingbird> ok fixed that, now the script runns when called directly
[14:37] <greenmockingbird> fixed the autoboot issue with my grub so now this script is the last stumbling block before I call this experiment good...
[14:37] <greenmockingbird> I will say that using linux is a learning experience
[14:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> what does the script do?
[14:44] <greenmockingbird> it just runs cgminer
[14:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> oh... bitcoin stuff
[14:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> Were you the one having X crashing issues?
[14:47] <greenmockingbird> noifixed that last night before i came here
[14:47] <greenmockingbird>  i just cant get this script to autostart
[14:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> hmm...
[14:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> do you put the full path?
[14:49] <greenmockingbird> i noticed when i go to rc.local it says i must modify execution bits
[14:50] <koegs> rc.local will call this script as root-user, most probably not what you want
[14:50] <koegs> can you nopaste that script?
[14:50] <koegs> !paste
[14:50] <greenmockingbird> yeah one sec
[14:53] <greenmockingbird> I added a line to rc.local its the only line I added and the only line other than exit 0 not commented out
[14:53] <greenmockingbird> wth i cant paste it here..
[14:54] <koegs> greenmockingbird: i want to see what you added to rc.local and i want to see the script
[14:55] <greenmockingbird> workig on that... /home/miner2/miner_launcher.sh 30 & is what I added to the rc.local
[14:55] <greenmockingbird> thats is the only line I added to rc.local
[14:56] <koegs> and it should be executed as root or as user "miner2"
[14:56] <greenmockingbird> but the odd thing is after boot up I can ssh in and call miner_launcher.sh direct with ./miner_launcher.sh and it works correctly
[14:57] <greenmockingbird> !paste
[14:57] <greenmockingbird> lol my brain must not be working
[14:57] <greenmockingbird> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6561753/
[14:58] <greenmockingbird> thats the text of miner_launcher.sh
[14:58] <greenmockingbird> when called directly it works but it just doesnt seem to run at startup
[14:59] <koegs> greenmockingbird: do you login as root via ssh or as miner2?
[14:59] <greenmockingbird> miner2
[14:59] <greenmockingbird> is that why su doesnt work?
[14:59] <koegs> then try the following in rc.local "su - miner2 -c /home/miner2/miner_launcher.sh 30 &"
[14:59] <koegs> might be redundant but ok for a quick test
[15:00] <greenmockingbird> right on one sec
[15:02] <greenmockingbird> no quotes i assume correct?
[15:02] <koegs> yes
[15:04] <greenmockingbird> no dice
[15:06] <greenmockingbird> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6561788/
[15:06] <greenmockingbird> thats rc.local
[15:07] <koegs> basically, you do not need that launch script
[15:07] <greenmockingbird> do i need to chmod +x rc.local?
[15:07] <koegs> no
[15:07] <greenmockingbird> oh ok
[15:07] <koegs> just use "su miner2 -c "screen -dmS cgm /home/miner2/mine_digitalcoins.sh" directly
[15:08] <greenmockingbird> so basically I'mdumb lol
[15:08] <greenmockingbird> I'll try that
[15:13] <greenmockingbird> POW!!!!
[15:13] <greenmockingbird> that works!!
[15:20] <greenmockingbird> koegs Thanks for the help man that worked first trry
[15:25] <cub> Perhaps this is a bit far fetched idea but: I can run a xubuntu in a virtualbox on my work laptop, or I can use a USB stick and boot into a xbuntu installed on that usb stick
[15:26] <koegs> cub: you can do both
[15:26] <cub> Would it be possible to have a usb stick which I could run from within my work laptop directly?
[15:26] <cub> koegs, how would I do both?
[15:27] <assistente> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2193298 solutions?
[15:27] <koegs> cub: you can install xubuntu to a usb-stick just like you would install it to a harddrive, then boot the usb-stick
[15:27] <Khep> hello here
[15:27] <Khep> im looking for a very simple but effective audio player for linux (in command line)...
[15:27] <cub> koegs, but then I would "only" boot into xubuntu and can't use the mac os at the same time, as I do when running xubuntu through Virtualbox inside mac os
[15:28] <koegs> cub: correct, if you want to use both at the same time, then i would use virtualbox
[15:29] <cub> I was hoping there would be a solution to combine them, so I could bring my usb stick home and continue in the exact same environment
[15:29] <koegs> as far as i know, most of the virtualization software is not able to boot from a usb-stick
[15:30] <koegs> so you might get it working somehow but not without a lot of effort
[15:31] <cub> yeah, I need to do more investigation. :)
[15:34] <koegs> Khep: cmus is popular
[15:35] <assistente> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2193298 solutions?
[15:35] <koegs> !patience | assistente
[15:37] <assistente> is 2 days that i wait for a answer... none that can help me?
[15:41] <koegs> Khep: moc also looks interesting
[16:05] <Khep> arf
[16:06] <Khep> i have a cut
[16:06] <Matt___> Hello, sorry for my ignorance in advance.  I'm having trouble installing xubuntu from a usb stick onto another usb stick. The installation seemed to be complete, I restarted the computer along with removing the usb with the xubuntu media but xubuntu won't boot. I'd appreciate any help, thanks
[16:06] <Khep> koegs: moc is good, what are the precedent recommendation, internet has cut i lost messages :(
[16:06] <GridCube> Matt___, grub probably got isntalled to the usb you removed
[16:07] <koegs> Khep: nothing after moc
[16:07] <GridCube> i suggest you to retry using both usb, and then try to run boot-repair to choose where grub should go
[16:07] <Matt___> Thanks Grid, I'll let you know how it goes
[16:07] <Khep> yes but before moc ?
[16:07] <Khep> i start to read and i lost everything
[16:08] <koegs> cmus and moc
[16:11] <Khep> ok thx
[16:11] <Khep> if you have a choice between cmus and mplayer
[16:12] <koegs> moc has just become my favorite :D
[16:14] <GridCube> assistente, no one here seems to know for the moment
[16:14] <Khep> let's try it
[16:14] <Khep> thx
[16:14] <assistente> GridCube, i find also this post http://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2009/04/msg00040.html
[16:14] <assistente> but i don't understand
[16:14] <assistente> do you know?
[16:15] <GridCube> sorry, i have no idea of this science
[16:17] <Matt___> Hi Grid. If the media usb is in it wants to install xubuntu again. If the usb which xubuntu supposedly got installed on in in then it won't accept it as a proper boot device. How do I get into the boot repair?
[16:25] <Khep> can someone speak to me plzz
[16:25] <Khep> it's a test for my irssi config
[16:25] <Khep> thx much
[16:26] <knome> Khep, speak, but please test on other channels next time
[16:26] <Khep> knome: thx much man, it was just once, it's working perfectly
[16:26] <knome> Khep, sure, just saying :) good to hear it works
[16:29] <us|0gb> Quick question: Is everything at https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10 free? I know not everything in Xubuntu is free, but I am hoping everything in that PPA is.
[16:29] <GridCube> Matt___, boot in a live session, not the installer
[16:29] <GridCube> then use boot-repair
[16:30] <knome> us|0gb, it's as the normal xfce packages: yes it's free; please not that you are using the PPA on your own responsibility
[16:31] <knome> *note
[16:32] <us|0gb> knome: Thanks! Yeah, I know I use PPAs (or any added repositories) at my own risk. I installed a kernel one time from one, and it killed my VirtualBox installation. I wasn't able to fix it either, and had to reinstall the whole system.
[16:33] <us|0gb> If Xfce4 bugs up on me, I should be able to recover my data from my partial LXDE desktop, then reinstall again.
[16:54] <us`0gb> My top panel is now huge and the panel items are all on the left (before, some were on the right). I think deleting my Xfce configuration and letting the updated Xfce build new configuration may be in order.
[16:59] <us^0gb> MUCH better. It seems the Xfce configuration file format has changed, and is incompatible with old versions.
[17:39] <amjjawad> need some help here
[17:39] <Chanshark> what seems to be the problem?
[17:40] <amjjawad> Xubuntu 12.04 installed on HP Pavilion TX 1000
[17:40] <amjjawad> I left the room, the machine went to screensaver
[17:40] <amjjawad> came back and when I moved the mouse, there is no cursor
[17:40] <amjjawad> I still can see the right click menu and everything works but no cursor
[17:40] <amjjawad> thoughts?
[17:41] <Chanshark> does it come back when you restart your computer?
[17:42] <amjjawad> I didn't but this is not my machine, I just got it few hours ago from my neighbor to convert it from Windows to Linux
[17:42] <amjjawad> so I am trying to solve this before I give him his laptop back as I don't want him to see the same issue
[17:42] <amjjawad> he is totally new to Linux
[17:43] <Chanshark> if you restart the linux machine is the cursor visible though?
[17:43] <amjjawad> let me reboot :)
[17:43] <Chanshark> ok :)
[17:43] <amjjawad> I know it might be back but I don't want to see the same issue again :D
[17:44] <Chanshark> well if its back i think i know the problem
[17:44] <Chanshark> and its a really easy fix
[17:44] <amjjawad> that is good to know :)
[17:44] <amjjawad> can I add one more thing? the fan is not stopping it works on full speed :/
[17:45] <Chanshark> im not sure about that let me google it lol
[17:45] <amjjawad> I know that machine has only 512MB RAM but Xubuntu 12.04 was a huge success for my installations on low hardware so I take my chances
[17:45] <Chanshark> also amjjawad, im working off this http://askubuntu.com/questions/367459/mouse-cursor-disappearing-at-every-second-boot-ubuntu-13-10 because they seemed to have the same problem
[17:46] <amjjawad> oh ok
[17:46] <amjjawad> I got the mouse back
[17:47] <Chanshark> so yeah i think that may be the problem, but i would ask someone better at this then me, because i installed xubuntu like a week ago lol
[17:47] <Chanshark> just to make sure
[17:47] <amjjawad> I have disabled Screensaver
[17:47] <amjjawad> I don't want to tell him to reboot the machine to get the cursor back :D
[17:48] <amjjawad> I need to install Broadcom drivers so must take it to the other room where my router is and connect it via LAN cable
[17:49] <Chanshark> lol i have been to lazy to install my wireless drivers so i just am using like 50ft of Ethernet cable :P
[17:50]  * ObrienDave has both, wireed and wireless going lol
[17:50] <PhoenixSTF> hey guys
[17:51] <ObrienDave> greetings
[17:51] <Chanshark> hey
[17:51] <amjjawad> my room is a real mess because I have many machines now ... my neighbors became so much excited when he was reading my posts about Linux on a facebook group and he gave me 5 machines, all converted to Linux
[17:51] <amjjawad> so I need to use the wireless ... don't have enough cables :D
[17:52] <amjjawad> hello PhoenixSTF :)
[17:52] <Chanshark> make sure you save the keys though lol
[17:52] <amjjawad> keys?
[17:52] <Chanshark> incase he ever wants to duel boot or somthing
[17:52] <Chanshark> yeah for windows
[17:52] <ObrienDave> i'm just too lazy to coil up the cable
[17:52] <amjjawad> Windows is GONE :D
[17:52] <amjjawad> and these machines are so old
[17:52] <amjjawad> barely handle WinXP
[17:53] <Chanshark> i switched this computer to xubuntu because it has corrupt memory and cant handle windows but then i fell in love with linux :P so when i get my new motherboard for my newer computer im converting it
[17:55] <PhoenixSTF> is it normal for xubuntu to wake the system up from suspension whe a desk light is turned on?
[17:56] <ObrienDave> umm, no
[17:56] <PhoenixSTF> lol
[17:56] <PhoenixSTF> wierd :)
[17:57] <ObrienDave> i suspect when you turn on the light, you joggle the mouse or something like that
[17:57] <ObrienDave> that will wake the system
[17:58] <PhoenixSTF> ObrienDave, no, I light my desk light form the back of the desk
[17:59] <PhoenixSTF> I do not mix with any equipment or touch anything on the pc
[17:59] <ObrienDave> do you bump the desk?
[17:59] <PhoenixSTF> No!
[17:59] <PhoenixSTF> i've tested it
[17:59] <PhoenixSTF> maybe it is the power surge from the lamp
[18:00] <ObrienDave> that was going to be my next thought :)
[18:00] <PhoenixSTF> :)
[18:00] <ObrienDave> what kind of lamp? fluorescent? halogen?
[18:01] <ObrienDave> led?
[18:01] <PhoenixSTF> Flurescent
[18:01] <ObrienDave> how close is it to your system?
[18:01] <PhoenixSTF> small 9 watt lamp
[18:02] <ObrienDave> distance?
[18:02] <PhoenixSTF> next to it but i move the lamp else where, the only thing in comon is wall socket
[18:02] <PhoenixSTF> tsted
[18:02] <PhoenixSTF> so probably power surge
[18:03] <ObrienDave> try surge supression power strip on system. could help
[18:03] <PhoenixSTF> that or it's haunted
[18:04]  * ObrienDave goes with haunted
[18:04] <PhoenixSTF> xD
[18:05] <PhoenixSTF> anyways how is xubuntu 14.04? testing yet?
[18:05] <ObrienDave> i've been testing the daily build, nothing to shout about yet
[18:06] <PhoenixSTF> Xfce version?
[18:06] <ObrienDave> yes, i won't run anything else ;P
[18:06] <PhoenixSTF> I mean is it with 4.10?
[18:07] <ObrienDave> yes
[18:07] <ObrienDave> Xubuntu 14.10 trusty daily build
[18:07] <PhoenixSTF> I mean xfce version is it with 4.10 or 4.12?
[18:08] <ObrienDave> hmm, let me check, sec
[18:08] <knome> there is no 14.10.
[18:08] <knome> trusty is 14.04
[18:09] <ObrienDave> yea, i caught it a bit late ;P
[18:09] <PhoenixSTF> you know that trusty tar in my language means reliable goat?
[18:10] <knome> PhoenixSTF, that's what it is supposed to mean.
[18:10] <PhoenixSTF> knome, right! lo
[18:10] <PhoenixSTF> but goat in my language has secondary meanings
[18:11] <knome> not sure they are suitable for this channel, so i'd ask not to go further
[18:11] <PhoenixSTF> knome, I wont
[18:11] <knome> besides, general chatter in #xubuntu-offtopic
[18:11] <PhoenixSTF> there is a offtopic
[18:11] <PhoenixSTF> ???
[18:11] <PhoenixSTF> thanks :)
[18:14] <PhoenixSTF> anyways I got a little issue with some full screen programs, my screen setup is 2 monitors, one landscape and one portrait, and some times on my landscape things go off screen
[18:15] <PhoenixSTF> they do not seem to stop at screen boundary and go for the full area even if it is not visable
[18:20] <krytarik> amjjawad: Seems like that laptop is affected by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/492782
[18:52] <xubuntu298> is gstreamer open source?
[18:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> I should hope so
[18:54] <xubuntu298> I just googled it and got the official site
[18:54] <xubuntu298> I think is this one http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/
[18:55] <xubuntu298> stable is 1.21 but restrectedd extras install a 0.10 version why
[19:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> best to ask the developers of gstreamere
[19:01] <GridCube> !search gstreamer
[19:02] <GridCube> !find gstreamer
[19:02] <GridCube> mmm i see references to gstreamer 1.0
[19:02] <xubuntu298> right
[19:03] <xubuntu298> I wanna install the gstreamer codecs only without flash java etc from restricted extras
[19:03] <xubuntu298> which packges are those
[19:04] <GridCube> xubuntu298, the list http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/xubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:05] <GridCube> and see the depend http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/xubuntu-restricted-addons
[19:05] <GridCube> java is not a restricted extra as far as i understand
[19:05] <xubuntu298> thank you GridCube you 've been very helpful :)
[19:16] <xubuntu298> how can i track firefox beta
[19:16] <xubuntu298> or aurora etc
[19:50] <amjjawad> feel bad :( I have installed Xubuntu 12.04 on HP TX1000 AMD with 512MB RAM. After installation, everything was fine but after apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade, the machine became slower and got black screen before the login manager. I don't know why
[19:50] <amjjawad> Xubuntu 12.04 worked perfectly fine on VIA C7 M with 512MB RAM. I thought AMD CPU is stronger than VIA
[20:15] <Joe__> Hello, I was wondering if someone can help me out with an error I got?
[20:18] <xubuntu189> wat


[00:06] <bazhang> try #xubuntu-offtopic
[01:03] <bennypr0fane> Hey, so, funny story, I can't authenticate - my password isn't working, although I didn't change it.  I did do this: https://www.linux-tips.org/article/18/passwordless-sudo-setup
[01:04] <bennypr0fane> now all GUI apps that want authentication, like Synaptic, reject my passoword
[02:05] <[JJ]Albert> It's been awhile since I've used xubuntu, but whats the procedure behind kernel updates?
[02:07] <drc> Basically kernel updates occur with the semi-annual releases (april and september).
[02:08] <[JJ]Albert> thats alongside the version updates, like 15.04 coming up?
[02:08] <[JJ]Albert> or you're talking just the support for 14.10 for example?
[02:09] <drc> 15.04 will be released in <april>
[02:09] <[JJ]Albert> oh, okay, so you meant alongside 15.04 the kernel is updated
[02:09] <drc> and 14.10 was released in <october> (I miscounted on my fingers :)
[02:09] <[JJ]Albert> alongside each semi-annual update
[02:09] <[JJ]Albert> how about mesa?
[02:10] <[JJ]Albert> It was only just recently updated to 10.4
[02:10] <[JJ]Albert> though in xubuntu it's still at 10.3
[02:11] <[JJ]Albert> I use the intel Haswell graphics myself, so I watch the updates closely on that
[02:11] <drc> inless it's a major security problem, (most) applications are updated during the releases.  If you want the bleeding edge, *buntu is not the distro for you.
[02:11] <[JJ]Albert> I'm in no signifigant hurry then
[02:12] <[JJ]Albert> I am more-or-less planning on buying a dedicated GPU soon, when sales come around again
[02:13] <[JJ]Albert> drc: I am remembering that, at least at my own discretion though it'd be inadvisable, I could get more bleeding PPA branches of kernels and mesa, for instance.
[02:14] <drc> Oh yeah, that's entirely possible.
[02:14] <[JJ]Albert> I did that a couple times back when I had a HD 4XXX radeon, because main support for that was dropped from newer proprietary radeon drivers
[02:14] <drc> It's generally not suppirted, but it's your choice.
[02:14] <[JJ]Albert> yeh, again I am willing to wait on it
[02:15] <[JJ]Albert> But it is slightly sad I can't get the main package of 10.4 that I'm assuming will ship w/ 15.04
[02:15] <[JJ]Albert> I mean, from the official xubuntu repo
[02:16] <[JJ]Albert> for testing
[02:17] <[JJ]Albert> I know phoronix is a bit of an iffy place to go by in regards to performance, but I'm assuming the upcoming mesa releases will have really brought the open source haswell drivers up to par w/ windows: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_windows7_2014&num=1
[02:18] <[JJ]Albert> Which is good, because some things are a little underwhelming w/ it, in spite of the fact I'm using an i7-4790k
[02:54] <sadhash> Good evening, folks. I use an old hdtv as my monitor and the menu button is busted. I'm looking to lower the brightness of the screen and am coming up empty with google-fu. Any advice?
[02:55] <holstein> sadhash: a remote control for the TV
[02:55] <holstein> sadhash: should be able to get a "smart" remote, and program it.. quite cheap
[02:56] <pleia2> I've used xrandr for adjusting brightness settings
[02:56] <sadhash> well, that'll be my backup plan.
[02:56] <sadhash> ok. i'll whip something up for xrandr then
[02:58] <Unit193> arandr if you like GUIs.
[02:58] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/149054/how-to-change-lcd-brightness-from-command-line-or-via-script
[03:01] <sadhash> xrandr worked perfectly. wish I would have thought of that. I used it just a few weeks ago when I set up this t.v. /facepalm
[03:03] <sadhash> i'm trying to break away from GUI's. xubuntu was my diving board away from windows. thank you all and have a happy new year.
[03:03] <pleia2> sadhash: thanks! you too :)
[04:30] <Evil_Eric> just wanted to say im impressed with 14.10
[04:31] <pleia2> Evil_Eric: glad to hear it!
[04:31] <Evil_Eric> zero issues and stable
[04:31] <Evil_Eric> unlike unity
[04:32] <Evil_Eric> tried xubuntu back in the 12.04 and 13.10 days but yeah wasnt impressed then but this works for me and works well
[04:34] <Evil_Eric> mehhh trying to figure ot why i dint just join through irc instead of this web site
[04:35] <Evil_Eric> well im out thanks
[06:06] <roo79x> hi all I've never used cron before and I'm trying to use it to sync my google calendar with orage I've added a line in cron to wget my ics file, pointed orage to that file but I'm not seeing any change? was wondering if anyone knows of a more complete how to online please?
[06:28] <roo79x> sorry I'll re-post I as I was rudely interrupted hi all I've never used cron before and I'm trying to use it to sync my google calendar with orage I've added a line in cron to wget my ics file, pointed orage to that file but I'm not seeing any change? was wondering if anyone knows of a more complete how to online please?
[06:33] <baizon> roo79x: how does your cron entry looks like
[06:34] <baizon> roo79x: and how does your "download script" looks like?
[06:34] <roo79x> baizon: */05 * * * * wget -nH -rK https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/roo79x%40gmail.com/private-c716b62e1533f2173145ced676b6de1a/basic.ics -P /home/roo79/.local/share/orage/
[06:34] <baizon> roo79x: that was a bad idea
[06:35] <baizon> roo79x: now everyone reading can download your gcalendar
[06:35] <roo79x> nothing of any importance on there
[06:35] <baizon> roo79x: does the wget work?
[06:36] <roo79x> yes running the command works
[06:36] <baizon> ok
[06:39] <cfhowlett> baizon, unless, like me, they're in China = google and it's services are blocked
[06:40] <baizon> roo79x: have you tried to put it in a sh file, then add +x and just put the path of the script in crontab?
[06:40] <baizon> thats how it works for me
[06:40] <roo79x> cfhowlett: I'm in Australia
[06:41] <roo79x> baizon: I'll try that thanks!
[06:41] <baizon> np
[06:41] <baizon> report back if it doenst work
[06:41] <roo79x> brb
[07:32] <roo79x> baizon: thank you for the help, the script is working. I changed the wget command a bit to wget -T 5 -r -nH -nd -O /home/[username]/.local/share/orage/orage.ics https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/gmail-address/private-c716b62e1533f2173145ced676b6de1a/basic.ics and it's working great!
[07:33] <cfhowlett_> roo79x, nice!
[07:33] <baizon> roo79x: nice :)
[07:34] <roo79x> now I'll have to go googling on how to get it to upload to the same calendar
[07:35] <roo79x> :-D
[07:36] <baizon> roo79x: that wont work :)
[07:36] <baizon> you can only download
[07:37] <roo79x> I seen something on google about using GalDaemon? maybe I was wrong?
[07:37] <roo79x> oops GcalDaemon
[07:38] <roo79x> it's old but might be worth a tinker https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7873
[07:42] <roo79x> well I have to go get ready for new years dinner thanks again for the help happy new year to all :)
[08:02] <ravi_> hi
[08:02] <ravi_> i have to install adobe flash player plugin
[08:02] <ravi_> i don't know how to install
[08:02] <ravi_> it is not available in software center
[08:02] <AgAu> it should be
[08:03] <ravi_> it is older version
[08:03] <ravi_> latest version is 425
[08:03] <ravi_> in software center it is 424
[08:03] <ravi_> my browser is blocking the older version
[08:04] <AgAu> well im using xubuntu 14.10 and its version 425 in the software center
[08:04] <ravi_> i have ready many articles on "how to isntall" but I am not getting it
[08:04] <ravi_> i am using xubuntu 14.04 LTS
[08:06] <xangua> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[08:06] <ravi_> i have already downloaded tar file from adobe site
[08:07] <ravi_> do I need to use get again?
[08:17] <wlxmhls> 嘿嘿
[08:18] <cfhowlett_> !cn | wlxmhls,
[08:18] <wlxmhls> 好的,不好意思,发错了,我一定注意
[08:19] <baizon> holy moly
[08:20] <wlxmhls> if you download from official tar file, then extract it and move the lib file to replace the original flash files
[08:59] <sim642> Xubuntu has suddenly started asking for the passphrase when I 'git push' which didn't always happen before. How can I get it to not ask it for every time again like it was before?
[09:30] <aaronfranke> Hi, I'm having an issue with the desktop background. It is showing me a sideshow of images even though the box for slideshow is unchecked. I can't seem to get it to stick with one image. Running Xubuntu 14.10 with GTX 770 and nvidia-340.
[09:31] <aaronfranke> I'm also looking for a way to force 3840x2160 output.
[09:34] <xubuntu326> Hello, I hacve a problem installing xubuntu 14.04.1
[09:34] <cfhowlett_> !details | xubuntu326
[09:35] <xubuntu326> it stops while there stands bcmwl-kernel-scource (amd64) wird konfiguriert
[09:35] <cfhowlett_> xubuntu326, how long?
[09:38] <xubuntu326> since 1 and a half hour
[09:40] <xubuntu326> there ist 8:25 xubuntu ubiquity: DKMS: install completed
[09:40] <cfhowlett_> !md5sum | xubuntu326, 1.  verify your .iso       2. verify your usb
[09:41] <xubuntu326> 9:17 xubuntu CRON[29228]: root CMD ( cd / && run-parts -- report / etc/cron/hourly)
[09:42] <xubuntu326> ok, I'll try...
[09:42] <xubuntu326> Thank you
[09:51] <aaronfranke> Nobody has any ideas for fixing my issue? :/
[10:36] <versa> good morning.
[11:14] <_littleb> hi people, i have an xubuntu os in english language. how can I change the language to another?
[11:21] <Sh3r1ff> _littleb: install the language pack of the language you want
[11:23] <_littleb> Sh3r1ff: give me an apt-get example
[11:25] <_littleb> plz
[11:26] <Sh3r1ff> _littleb: apt-get install language-pack-en installs the english language pack
[11:26] <_littleb> ok thx
[11:26] <Sh3r1ff> replace "en" with the language you want
[12:50] <jarnos> Can anyone tell the exact size of xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso?
[12:50] <cfhowlett> jarnos, it is listed on the download site ...
[12:52] <jarnos> cfhowlett, it tells 930M, but I doubt it is exact size. On the other hand, I am not sure, if I need exact size. I have dd'ed the iso to a 8G USB stick, and would now want to return the original iso file.
[12:52] <baizon> jarnos: 975.175.680 bytes
[12:53] <jarnos> baizon, thanks
[14:12] <kasad> ok please tell me before I kill myself, is there solution to infamous bug with qualcomm (and some other wifi cards on certain laptops) where wifi doesn't work after system suspend
[15:15] <bullgard4> kasad: You beeter do not kill yourself but rather google using the catchwords you just mentioned in your question.
[15:15] <bullgard4> s/beeter/better/
[15:16] <bullgard4> It is wise to input the exacr error message which you obtain.
[15:16] <bullgard4> s/exacr/exact/
[15:24] <kasad> bullgard4> there is no error message, it's known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1286552
[15:25] <kasad> so I am disabling suspend left and right, (thing is I couldn't get it to work at all for quite some time)
[15:26] <kasad> turns out it needed long shutdown - go figure 1 minute shutdown - wifi doesn't work, 10 minute shutdown - wifi starts working again
[15:26] <kasad> wtf o.O
[15:29] <bullgard4> There you have a solution, even if awkward. You should report your findings by adding your comment to Launchpad bug 1286552.
[19:30] <megagiganoob> Hello folks, hoping someone might be able to help. I'm trying to make a distro of xubuntu based on my current setup. I volunteer at a free site to help people learn web development and the idea is to be able to give them an image they can load into a vm and not have to worry about configuration
[19:32] <megagiganoob> I'm going through the livecd customization but I'm at a point I'm not sure what to do. I've installed ruby and git. I'd like to install linuxbrew for node and yeoman so the users don't have to mess with sudo, but I'm unsure where to edit the path
[19:40] <brainwash> !remaster | megagiganoob
[19:54] <megagiganoob> I'm using uck, but not finding a lot of info on where I'd add sources to the path
[19:57] <brainwash> megagiganoob: you mean PATH?
[19:58] <brainwash> I suggest that you ask in #ubuntu, this channel mainly focuses on xubuntu specific issues
[19:58] <megagiganoob> yes, for linuxbrew
[19:59] <megagiganoob> we'd like for users not to have to use sudo before installing development tools, without jacking with the core system permissions
[19:59] <brainwash> you could add changes to the files in /etc/skel/
[20:00] <brainwash> these files are copied to the home directory when you create a new user
[20:00] <brainwash> sadly I have to leave now, good luck :)
[20:00] <megagiganoob> oh awesome, np. Thanks for the help


[11:18] <melaren> I've been wanting to contribute some ideas to the Ubuntu project lately, but I was wondering how to go about making suggestions.  I read a thread that suggested filing a blueprint in launchpad, but do we really want every Ubuntu user with an idea to create a launchpad entry?  I found an existing blueprint that may be able to benefit from my input.  Can I contact the drafter?  ...or is that what the whiteboard is for?
[11:22] <TheSheep> melaren: making contact with the people with similar ideas is always worthwhile
[11:23] <TheSheep> melaren: can we talk here?
[11:24] <TheSheep> melaren: the contact info is available on launchpad
[11:24] <TheSheep> melaren: and also often on the wiki -- just click on the user name and you'll be taken to the apropriate page
[11:25] <melaren> ok, cool, I'll look for it
[11:25] <TheSheep> melaren: you also might be able to find the people here
[11:25] <melaren> when you are chatting in irc how do you direct the chat to just one person?   ...it's been a while


[00:02] <sidi> well
[00:02] <sidi> now would be good
[00:02] <sidi> gf has arrived though
[00:02] <knome> heh
[00:07] <knome> well, ping me once you've done that
[00:08] <sidi> knome, i templated encryption, i'll let you fill the blanks with the *buntu specifics
[00:08] <sidi> also added a Dropbox mention in the backup, advising encryption prior to uploading
[00:10] <knome> mhm
[00:10] <knome> this document is very welcome
[00:10] <knome> i will add your name to the doc contributors list
[00:10] <knome> hooray
[00:14] <sidi> knome, done.
[00:14] <sidi> knome, feel free to mention UCL Information Security ;p
[00:15] <knome> sidi, let's see
[00:15] <knome> what else do i owe you? :P
[00:15] <sidi> nothing mate :p
[00:16] <knome> you come here and i'll buy you a beer or two
[00:17] <sidi> haha sure
[07:08] <Unit193> < darkxst> apw, what is the status of bug 1410480? this completely breaks installing via ubiquity on Ubuntu GNOME and probably most other flavours  ||  < ~pitti> yes, it's not flavor specific, happens for ubuntu as well
[07:09] <Unit193> Heads up.
[07:22] <ochosi> mm, good to know
[08:11] <ochosi> brainwash: your patch should be moved along shortly, then we can prep the SRU paperwork. seb128 said it's SRU-worthy
[10:18] <slickymasterWork> sidi, knome, thanks for https://docs.google.com/document/d/18sEImteNJVZ7T6o0RR7erJbCpS8dXwHDC0pRpu1K3aI/edit#heading=h.zafoylvno00b
[10:18] <slickymasterWork> it's a fabulous work
[10:18] <sidi> slickymaster, erm you're welcome :p
[10:19] <slickymasterWork> not sure also about the xkcd comic
[10:20] <slickymasterWork> I don't think it would land particularly well in the all -docs layout
[10:21] <slickymasterWork> but other than than it's really a fabulous piece of work
[10:21] <slickymasterWork> s/than than/than that
[10:25] <slickymasterWork> like knome, I also owe you a couple of beers, so if you ever come down south I'll be more than glad to do it ;)
[10:28] <brainwash> ochosi: that's good news
[10:29] <ochosi> yup
[10:29] <ochosi> not totally unexpected, but still good :)
[10:29] <ochosi> btw, we shouldn't select a reviewer directly when filing a MR
[10:30] <ochosi> cause then ubuntu-branches gets removed and nobody else sees it, i.e. it drops off the radar
[10:30] <brainwash> ah ok
[10:30] <ochosi> had to figure that out when passing along the MR today
[10:30] <ochosi> so just for the future, to keep that in mind, always add reviewers after filing the MR on top of the default
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> knome, are you working on a MP based on sidi's paper or do you want me to do it?
[10:57] <sidi> slickymaster, south of US? too far for beer :P
[10:58] <sidi> slickymaster, it's up to you two now to decide how to turn this into a Xub doc.
[11:05] <slickymasterWork> sidi, south like in Iberian peninsula ;)
[11:05] <slickymasterWork> specifically the western country in europe
[11:07] <sidi> slickymaster, spanish or portuguese or catalan? ;P
[11:07] <slickymasterWork> portuguese :)
[11:07] <slickymasterWork> we're western than them
[11:27] <brainwash> ochosi: https://www.debian.org/security/2015/dsa-3131
[11:32] <brainwash> so there will be another patch before the -screensaver one
[11:33] <brainwash> or both patches will be shipped at the same time
[12:30] <knome> slickymasterWork, yep, i guess so ;)
[12:30] <slickymasterWork> lol knome, and that means ....
[12:31] <knome> that i'll do it and ask for your help if needed :P
[12:31] <knome> the thing is, there are still things that aren't ready
[12:31] <slickymasterWork> ok, I'm here to help you know
[12:31] <knome> for example, do we have unattended upgrades enabled on a new install?
[12:31] <knome> if not, how to turn them on?
[12:32] <slickymasterWork> I'd say that in two out of three times people will face unattended upgrades, afeter a new install
[12:33] <slickymasterWork> * after
[12:33] <knome> why 2/3 ?
[12:33] <slickymasterWork> unless they're installing in the immediate hour after the releases
[12:33] <knome> heh
[12:33] <knome> well can somebody double-check that?
[12:34] <slickymasterWork> I can perform a few tests on that, but  either Unit193 or bluesabre could cast some technical light on that issue
[12:35] <knome> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates
[12:35] <knome> i guess we only need to see if we have a file in apt.conf.d
[12:36] <slickymasterWork> I'll boot a VM after lunch to see if I can check that
[12:36] <knome> sure
[12:54] <brainwash> bluesabre: thanks for the xubu default settings upload
[12:55] <knome> has anybody used any of the password managers in the repository?
[12:59] <brainwash> bluesabre: do you feel like SRU'ing the updated keyboard shortcuts file to utopic and trusty? utopic only needs the 1 line fix, trusty needs http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/482 on top of that
[13:00] <brainwash> it would be great if you could fix this for 14.04.2, so new users who download this release won't be affected by the bug
[13:01] <elfy> knome slickymasterWork - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9784842/ our /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[13:01] <knome> mhm
[13:01] <knome> so we have that enabled
[13:02] <knome> thanks
[13:02] <brainwash> not having it enabled would be kinda strange
[13:13] <knome> elfy, are you still on a new installation?
[13:14] <elfy> newish knome
[13:14] <knome> ok
[13:14] <knome> can you check what the "updates" tab in software & upgrades say
[13:14] <elfy> I can - but ...
[13:14] <knome> mostly interested in the three first dropdowns
[13:14] <knome> but what? :D
[13:14] <elfy> I'll boot vm
[13:15] <elfy> the updates tab might be all over the place here :D
[13:15] <knome> huhu
[13:15] <knome> probably not though;)
[13:15] <knome> and this is for the V docs anyway
[13:15] <knome> so should be the situation in V
[13:15] <elfy> but - nvm - a clean install in that tab has all EXCEPT proposed enabled
[13:15] <knome> so what about the dropdowns?
[13:15] <knome> what are the values?
[13:16] <elfy> oh - hang on
[13:16] <elfy> half asleep
[13:17] <knome> hehe
[13:17] <knome> me too
[13:17] <knome> always a good mood to write security documentation in!
[13:18] <elfy> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190115-131753.php
[13:18] <knome> ok, i think i've mostly converted sidi's stuff to digestable text
[13:18] <elfy> any others while the vm's running?
[13:18] <knome> hmm, display immediately
[13:18] <knome> not download and install automatically
[13:18] <knome> ochosi, bluesabre, Unit193: want to investigate that?
[13:19] <knome> elfy, not at this time, thanks :)
[13:19] <elfy> ok :)
[13:19] <knome> or is that like so only because it's beta stage
[13:19] <knome> i'll run a trusty install or sth later today
[13:19] <elfy> hang on - I'll boot the trusty one
[13:19] <knome> oh, ok ;)
[13:20] <sidi> knome, let me know when it's online ;P
[13:21] <elfy> knome: display immediately in the one with pink highlights
[13:21] <elfy> which I think was the last one ...
[13:21] <knome> sidi, probably takes time, it'll need to go to the branch first, then zyl needs to push it online
[13:21] <knome> and we'll probably not do that until release
[13:21] <knome> sidi, do you need it for something?
[13:22] <knome> i mean i can push a copy of that somewhere if you want to show it around
[13:22] <sidi> i dont need it now nope
[13:22] <knome> ok
[13:23] <knome> then expect it around april
[13:23] <sidi> okay ;p
[13:23] <knome> i can also poke you when it's on the branch
[13:23] <knome> so you can get it yourself!
[13:24] <ochosi> elfy: xnox did a recent update to that part, but afaik he only dropped the extra repo
[13:24] <ochosi> no idea what's supposed to be ticked exactly and what not
[13:24] <ochosi> (i presume the first two)
[13:24] <knome> ochosi, i was thinking that whether the unattended security updates should be on...
[13:24] <knome> not which repositories are ticked
[13:25] <elfy> I saw talk on extras - but that's in Other Software - not Updates
[13:34] <ochosi> knome: right, misinterpreted that maybe in the backlog
[13:34] <ochosi> didnt read too closely i guess
[13:34] <ochosi> elfy: btw, what you could check in the next update to xubuntu-artwork that bluesabre pushed/s today is whether that bluetooth icon is monochrome again
[13:34] <ochosi> it's one of the things i fixed
[13:52] <elfy> ochosi: well it is monochrome here after update and restarting panel and turning bluetooth on
[13:52] <elfy> but if it changes color during use - no way of checking that
[13:53] <ochosi> it was only !monochrome in the "normal" state
[13:53] <ochosi> inactive and paired state worked
[13:54] <elfy> http://en.zimagez.com/full/6e676846acce0827817defaa1cf6b75464fa83b2bc94d3596924c0fb25bf0a9db891b39655ffc10a8a913820beaf444de21558616cb0271a.php
[13:54] <elfy> good lord - that's a long url
[13:55] <knome> in the shortish ;)
[13:55] <knome> what's that banana bumerang
[13:55] <knome> or is it an orange slice
[13:55] <elfy> bananamoon
[13:55] <ochosi> clemetine
[13:55] <ochosi> clementine
[13:56] <elfy> oh that - yea clementine
[13:56] <ochosi> elfy: yeah that's the inactive state
[13:56] <elfy> ochosi: so - no way for me to check the other states
[13:57] <ochosi> you can't activate bluetooth?
[13:57] <ochosi> you just need to click the item and then > "turn bluetooth on"
[13:58] <ali1234> ochosi: what does it mean if there's a bug report with "Theme parsing error: gtk.css:81" but gtk.css doesn't even have 81 lines?
[13:59] <ochosi> it shouldn't, but maybe it's continuing with the line-count in one of the included files
[14:00] <ali1234> hmm
[14:01] <ali1234> i think this might just be user error
[14:01] <ochosi> possible, what app throws it with what theme in what version of gtk3?
[14:02] <ali1234> all of them with orion in utopic, apparently
[14:02] <ali1234> an lots of other errors that don't seem to match up with anything in the css
[14:02] <ali1234> i think user might have an old version installed in their home directory
[14:02] <ochosi> yeah, that's quite possible
[14:02] <ochosi> many of the bugreports i got for gtk3 had wrong theme versions installed
[14:02] <ochosi> i get that all the time
[14:03] <ali1234> going to install utopic in a vm to test
[14:03] <ali1234> thanks for the hints
[14:03] <elfy> ochosi: clicking it - it changes to 'white' but I don't have any access to any bluetooth other than that
[14:03] <ochosi> ali1234: either way, fixing this level of bug in utopic is likely not a priority
[14:04] <ochosi> elfy: that's perfect, and all i wanted to hear. in your previous screenshot from the VM (if you remember) it was on a blue bg, and that should now be gone
[14:04] <elfy> nope - not remembering that :)
[14:04] <elfy> but - glad your happy :)
[14:04] <ochosi> let me remind you then: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190115-131753.php
[14:05] <ochosi> see how blue that is?
[14:05] <elfy> oh right - yea
[14:05] <elfy> didn't even look at that vm - was just seeing what knome wanted :D
[14:05] <elfy> and 'this' machine has bluetooth off
[14:06] <knome> ;)
[14:10] <brainwash> ochosi: it seems like xfpm + light-locker triggers suspend out of nowhere (according to the latest comment in bug 1307545)
[14:11] <ochosi> i read that, but i'm pretty sure that signal isn't coming from light-locker
[14:12] <ochosi> it doesn't send suspend signals, it only listens to those
[14:12] <ochosi> and about the power manager i'm not sure either, might be something else
[14:15] <brainwash> ochosi: so, xfpm -> light-locker > vt switch > logind takes control in vt8 > suspend is triggered > screen is locked twice in vt7 > blank screen bug?
[14:16] <brainwash> not sure about the "screen is locked twice" part though
[14:19] <brainwash> ochosi: I hope you understand this reaction chain :)
[14:21] <brainwash> the solution seems to be to always late lock the screen
[14:22] <brainwash> even when screen lock is triggered via light-locker-command
[14:22] <ochosi> was that the thing that always worked?
[14:22] <ochosi> not sure that locking twice is really happening or really the source of the problem
[14:23] <brainwash> that thing?
[14:23] <ochosi> the setting (late locking)
[14:25] <brainwash> I don't know, the dbus activation uses 2 steps, first lock the screen in vt7 and on resume switch to vt8
[14:25] <brainwash> similar to late locking
[14:25] <brainwash> and it never caused trouble I think
[14:26] <brainwash> but xflock4 -> light-locker-command will instantly switch to vt8
[14:27] <ochosi> so yeah, we could try to patch xflock to send a dbus command :}
[14:27] <ochosi> err, dbus signal
[14:28] <brainwash> is there one? currently light-locker listens to the suspend and resume signal from logind
[14:29] <ochosi> i was actually kidding
[14:29] <ochosi> i guess xfpm would have to be more intelligent about light-locker
[14:30] <brainwash> yes, but light-locker is limited too, you cannot enable late locking on the fly
[14:31] <brainwash> late locking aka "lock screen in vt7" > "suspend" > "resume" > "switch to vt8"
[14:32] <brainwash> without loignd
[14:32] <brainwash> maybe ask cavalier about this
[14:33] <brainwash> also, the elementary os team might encounter something similar
[14:38] <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/vivid/revision/281
[14:38] <knome> sidi, slickymasterWork, ochosi, elfy ^
[14:39] <elfy> lol - scared him away then
[14:39] <knome> yep
[14:39] <slickymasterWork> already pushed knome?
[14:39] <knome> yes
[14:39] <elfy> why firewall?
[14:40] <knome> elfy, read teh section :D
[14:40] <elfy> Use common sense when working in the web - should that no be on rather than in
[14:40] <elfy> or are we spiders from mars ?
[14:40] <knome> elfy, that's the removed chapter ;)
[14:40] <knome> green are additions
[14:40] <elfy> oh yea
[14:40] <elfy> I hate these things :|
[14:40] <knome> heh
[14:41] <knome> just get the latest branch version then and run make
[14:41] <knome> ;)
[14:41] <knome> or see https://docs.google.com/document/d/18sEImteNJVZ7T6o0RR7erJbCpS8dXwHDC0pRpu1K3aI/edit?usp=sharing
[14:41] <elfy> that's betterer
[14:41] <knome> elfy, you're a platypus
[14:42] <elfy> yep
[14:42] <elfy> poisonous
[14:42] <knome> heh
[14:42] <knome> no, just anonymous, regarding google
[14:42] <elfy> oic
[14:43] <elfy> mmm
[14:43] <elfy> so missing words?
[14:46] <knome> where?
[14:46] <elfy> exactly !!!
[14:46] <knome> what
[14:46] <elfy> how did you guess :p
[14:46] <knome> .
[14:46] <knome> :P
[14:46] <elfy> Use common sense when working in the web
[14:46] <knome> wha?
[14:47] <elfy> oh bah
[14:47] <knome> silly
[14:47] <knome> :)
[14:47] <elfy> attackers can damage your reputation and websites nobody
[14:47] <elfy> where between websites and nobody :)
[14:48] <ali1234> that whole sentence
[14:48] <ali1234> i had to read it about five times to even understand it
[14:49] <slickymasterWork> ok knome, I'll have a read to your rev later on at home
[14:50] <ali1234> i think in that section it's worth mentioning that the website owner might be able to see your password, not just attackers. and the website may even have been set up to steal passwords
[14:54] <knome> you can refer to the security expert sidi
[14:55] <ali1234> i added a comment on the doc
[14:55] <knome> if you do changes in the doc, mark them with comments so i'll catch the changes
[15:08] <elfy> read it - makes sense to me
[15:17] <sidi> Is there a buggy bug in the doc?
[15:17] <sidi> blame it on knome.
[15:17] <sidi> ali1234, we could talk about phishing indeed
[15:17] <sidi> it's good to know though that the odds are against us
[15:17] <sidi> essentially phishing is uncommon/unexpensive enough at a global scale
[15:18] <sidi> that even having users spend 2 minutes a year on avoiding phishing attacks is economically counter-productive
[15:18] <ali1234> i'm not talking bout phishing
[15:29] <knome> also updated the translation template so people can get translating soonish
[15:30] <slickymasterWork> great knome, thanks
[15:31] <knome> np
[15:33] <knome> slickymasterWork, we should start thinking the installer slideshow content and looks some day
[15:34] <slickymasterWork> yes, you're right knome
[15:34] <slickymasterWork> do you already have something in mind, regarding the artwork?
[15:35] <slickymasterWork> or you want to do that after we finish the text part
[15:35] <knome> nothing apart that i want it updated, maybe in the direction of the website
[15:36] <slickymasterWork> aesthetically?
[15:36] <knome> yes
[15:36] <knome> one aspect we might want to rethnk is the paths that we show in the slideshow
[15:36] <knome> are they needed?
[15:36] <knome> and should we try to point more to the documentation?
[15:36] <knome> i mean, more than in one place?
[15:37] <knome> since we do have it up-to-date and relatively broad now
[15:37] <slickymasterWork> well, in terms of text/info on the slides we're not shipping any major new things, apart from a few changes in some apps
[15:37] <knome> sure, but maybe we want to flesh out the text anyway
[15:37] <slickymasterWork> yeah, the paths could be something to be review
[15:38] <knome> anyway, when we start working on that, i'd figure out what kind of content we want there first
[15:38] <slickymasterWork> won't to schedule a sprint for us?
[15:38] <slickymasterWork> lol
[15:38] <knome> hmpf
[15:38] <slickymasterWork> why hmpf?
[15:38] <knome> let's schedule the scheduling for later
[15:39] <knome> but something this month
[15:39] <knome> do you have any preferences/days that simply won't work?
[15:39] <slickymasterWork> preferably at night
[15:39] <knome> wfm
[15:40] <slickymasterWork> after 22:00 UTC everything works for during week days
[15:40] <knome> weekday or weekend?
[15:40] <slickymasterWork> on weekends it would be better the ones my kid isn't with me
[15:41] <knome> which are those?
[15:41] <slickymasterWork> so I think it would be preferable week days after 22:00
[15:41] <knome> ok
[15:41] <knome> hmm
[15:41] <knome> i'll consult my wife today on her shifts
[15:41] <slickymasterWork> ok
[16:12] <knome> ochosi, ping me when you're back
[16:15] <ochosi> knome: pon
[16:15] <ochosi> g
[16:15] <knome> oh :)
[16:15] <knome> will PM you
[17:07] <brainwash> bluesabre: https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/xubuntu-default-settings/use-gsettings-for-ll ?
[17:09] <brainwash> bluesabre: ok or not ok?
[22:33] <slickymaster> knome, it doesn't have to be now, but tomorrow we could discuss your rev of the docs
[22:34] <knome> slickymaster, i can do that in some time
[22:34] <knome> so if you have comments, just pour them in
[22:34] <slickymaster> well, I not to sure about the opening of the chapter
[22:35] <knome> it's better than before
[22:35] <knome> though that doesn't say much
[22:35] <knome> it was basically listing the ToC before
[22:36] <slickymaster> we're talking about a about a major subject, one that ought to be read carefully by our users, but at the same time we're almost telling them to at least read just a few subsection of it
[22:37] <slickymaster> on one hand we tell them "This is a brief guide on keeping your computer and personal information safe from security threats. "
[22:37] <slickymaster> but on the other we go about " If you only have a short while, you should read at least the following subsections:
[22:37] <slickymaster> I don't no, it seems a bit of a paradox to me
[22:38] <slickymaster> not sure if I made myself clear to you k
[22:38] <slickymaster> knome:
[22:39] <knome> sure
[22:39] <knome> how else would you highlight the most important parts of the chapter?
[22:39] <slickymaster> that's the thing, I wouldn't, we start it by saying that it's a breif guide
[22:41] <slickymaster> I don't think you should make it briefer by inviting people to short circuit its read
[22:41] <knome> well tbh
[22:41] <slickymaster> even because its a really important subject
[22:41] <knome> it's not very brief...
[22:42] <knome> i would have hard time reading that if i didn't know most of it already
[22:42] <slickymaster> no it isn't, but I'm ok with its extension
[22:42] <knome> so maybe we shouldn't tell it's brief ;)
[22:42] <slickymaster> that would be a solution
[22:42] <slickymaster> I can drop that setence
[22:43] <slickymaster> as I found a typo in the chapter I can do both things
[22:43] <knome> maybe we should just face it and say it's written by a security student and that "if you had seen the original version, *then* you'd consider this brief"
[22:43] <slickymaster> is there a original version?
[22:43] <knome> not any more
[22:43] <knome> it was a rant by sidi
[22:44] <knome> i made it digestible
[22:44] <slickymaster> why not just drop the adjective 'brief' from that initial sentence?
[22:44] <knome> that works for me
[22:46] <slickymaster> ok, I'll do it then and push it
[22:46] <knome> thanks
[22:46] <sidi> slickymaster, remember this: users are EXTREMELY unmotivated by security
[22:46] <sidi> so, never ever waste their time
[22:46] <slickymaster> lol, the other way around knome, it's me you have to thank you
[22:46] <sidi> that's why silly advice like "firewalls" must die
[22:46] <sidi> it pollutes their "compliance budget"
[22:47] <sidi> it's better, if they cant be bothered to go through the whole thing, to point them out to the absolute critical points
[22:47] <knome> though that's true for every subjet
[22:47] <knome> +c
[22:48]  * knome punches the C key
[22:48] <slickymaster> I can see that point sidi, that's just one more argument for me to force them to read it, and to avoid in any possible their lack of attention on such a big issue
[22:48] <sidi> it's like building up habits, you dont become a gym master in 24 hours if you were a couch potato. And since you barely see the positive externalities of security even after so many months/years, it's hard to motivate yourself into learning more security
[22:48] <sidi> slickymaster, they'll tell you to **** *** if you *force* them :p that'd be a terrible UX move
[22:48] <knome> sidi, tut tut
[22:49] <sidi> knome, sorry i dont mean to say that myself
[22:49] <sidi> i mean that the reaction will be extreme
[22:49] <ochosi> the knome train is rolling in..?
[22:49] <knome> choo choo
[22:49] <knome> nope
[22:49] <sidi> and, you dont suspect how people behave about technology that gets in the way when you're not watching
[22:49] <knome> ochosi, reversed the max-width ;)
[22:49] <slickymaster> the intention here isn't to force sidi, it's just not to help them being so casual about it all
[22:50] <slickymaster> nor eight, nor eighty
[22:50] <ali1234> it's funny how people turn into computer geniuses when they want to read reddit at work
[22:50] <sidi> slickymaster, i'm not casual about security. it's just very important to accept that we can achieve very little by asking users to invest in security
[22:50] <ali1234> but can't figure out how to restart a print job
[22:50] <sidi> they shouldnt have to
[22:50] <sidi> ali1234, exactly
[22:50] <knome> just as funny as when everybody is an advanced user when a tutorial says "advanced users only:"
[22:51] <knome> maybe we should word it in a way that the important parts are the ones they should START with
[22:51] <sidi> you can only except a few minutes a day from a person to do all sorts of security-related tasks. whenever they need to login on a service, decide whether to open an email/file/app, register on a service, share files with others... they make tons of security decisions and they lose motivation quickly
[22:52] <knome> slickymaster, ^ see, this is near the original version rant :)
[22:52] <sidi> even when you dont follow advice, you dont necessarily get into trouble, and when you do follow it you can still have issues, and you see none of the attacks being blocked
[22:52] <knome> slickymaster, ^ and that
[22:52] <ali1234> yet they can follow any arbitrary amount of instruction 100% perfectly when they think they are going to get a free iphone
[22:52] <knome> wait, free iphones, where?
[22:52] <sidi> yeah, high perceived benefit ali1234
[22:52] <sidi> security = low perceived benefit, high perceived cost
[22:52] <ali1234> yeah
[22:53] <slickymaster> I'm not trying to imply that all sidi, I know you're not casual about it, what I'm saying is that we shouldn't let the users be lazy about it just because they're used to and we shouldn't chnage those habits
[22:53] <knome> slickymaster, what about my latest proposal for wording? ;)
[22:53] <sidi> slickymaster, let's make a parallel
[22:53] <slickymaster> you'ver pushed another rev knome ?
[22:54] <knome> slickymaster, no, i said that in the channel, but you probably missed it from the discussion
[22:54] <knome> slickymaster, --> maybe we should word it in a way that the important parts are the ones they should START with
[22:54] <slickymaster> I did :P
[22:54] <knome> that would fix our issue
[22:54] <sidi> say, your parents are obese and are starting to show signs of heart disease. you want to convince them to change their diet and exercise. they personally have a fatalist attitude and think nothing they can do will pay off. how do you go about it?
[22:54] <knome> sidi, wow, are we going deep :P
[22:55] <sidi> (economics of security for end users: http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/1301853/1/compliance_budgetfinal.pdf // http://www.is.uni-muenster.de/security/publications/BG2011_Security_Cost_of_Cheap_User_Interaction_NSPW.pdf)
[22:55] <knome> sidi, we're trying to fix the wording on the documentation, not save anybody's life
[22:55] <ali1234> i guess nobody is immune to this, people just have different priorities
[22:55] <sidi> (everyday security practice http://users.ece.cmu.edu/~adrian/630-f05/readings/dourish-grinter-delgado-joseph.pdf)
[22:55] <slickymaster> I woulf fight that fatalism sidi
[22:55] <sidi> slickymaster, how?
[22:55] <sidi> that's the £100000 question
[22:55] <sidi> if you know how, i'll tip my boss into hiring you
[22:56] <knome> but no £1000000 ? :(
[22:56] <sidi> nah, that one is "how to get people to encrypt their emails?"#
[22:56] <slickymaster> mind me, we, as in Portugal', are famous for suffering from fatalism since the 18th century
[22:56] <ali1234> ihpones only cost about $600 right?
[22:56] <slickymaster> how?
[22:57] <slickymaster> make them, one way or the other, face the serious implications that that fatalism will, for sure, bring to their health
[22:57] <sidi> fatalism is an outcome of people making efforts and not observing any difference. it's the whole expectations that people have that are broken
[22:57] <sidi> they think they "should/deserve to" be safe if they make efforts
[22:57] <sidi> but risk prevention never works that way. accidents still happen
[22:57] <sidi> you can only look at risk situations by looking at global statistics
[22:57] <slickymaster> but they have to make some sort of an effort sidi
[22:58] <sidi> yet people will select whatever rare event occurs to them  and inflate it because bias of availability.
[22:58] <sidi> slickymaster, yes but if you ask them more than they are willing to, they will quickly ignore you entirely
[22:58] <sidi> that's why we must prioritise security advice towards the most critical issues
[22:58] <sidi> when they are habituated to not run random scripts from forums, it'll already be a massive victory
[22:59] <sidi> and the practice, which is rife in linux communities, must be globally fought back. only when it's gone you can move on to the next topic
[22:59] <slickymaster> I agree with you entirely on that sidi, please don't missunderstand what I'm saying
[22:59] <ochosi> night all
[22:59] <sidi> night ochosi
[22:59] <slickymaster> night ochosi
[22:59] <knome> nighty ochosiy
[23:00] <ochosi> thanks knomey (and all others)
[23:00] <knome> thanksy!
[23:01] <slickymaster> what I'm saying is that people, like you pointed out, tend to be lazy and to always take the easier and shortest route, even more if they're invited to do it at the very begining
[23:01] <sidi> slickymaster, actually [UX evaluation needed, but] I expect people will  read the first two/three paragraphs, then scroll through that doc and read the section titles only
[23:02] <ali1234> that's what i did
[23:02] <sidi> there should be some research into how people read newspaper texts, it's fairly consistent
[23:02] <slickymaster> yes, I knome
[23:02] <sidi> so you can use pictures, excerpts written in massive fonts, etc. to catch users' attention throughout the doc and disturb that scrolling down habit
[23:02] <slickymaster> ali1234 :P
[23:02] <sidi> vivid colors attract the eye too
[23:03] <sidi> slickymaster, if they want the short route, make the short route more appealing so they want to stop on the side. dont say "Nope,  I disagree, go for the detour instead it's better for you"
[23:03] <sidi> unfortunately the customer is always right ;-)
[23:04] <slickymaster> ok, sidi, in your opinion dropping the adjective 'brief', from "This is a brief guide on keeping your computer and personal information safe from security threats." will in any way change the way they're goping to read the chapter?
[23:04] <slickymaster> ali1234, would that have changed the way you read it?
[23:05] <ali1234> probably
[23:05] <ali1234> it's hard to say, i mean i already know all this stuff
[23:05] <sidi> slickymaster, it might. i dont take a side without A/B testing on that one
[23:05] <slickymaster> what would be different ali1234?
[23:05] <ali1234> different?
[23:06] <slickymaster> in what different way you think you've read it?
[23:06] <sidi> slickymaster, it depends on whether people consider it brief or not in the first place, and on whether they trust you or not
[23:06] <slickymaster> that's exactly it sidi
[23:06] <sidi> if they dont trust you, they might be inclined to disagree that it's brief
[23:06] <ali1234> well speaking of newspapers
[23:06] <ali1234> if i see a picture in an article i'll try to scan through the article to know more about the picure
[23:06] <sidi> if they trust you, they might think that even though it's long there's a lot more to it (which reinforces the feeling that security is only for experts, etc.)
[23:06] <sidi> i mean, this thing is damn too long
[23:07] <sidi> the content is here, but the structure is painful for users, methinks
[23:07] <ali1234> i read the business section in the telegraph
[23:08] <ali1234> if there's ever news about a clothing company, or a movie company or something, they'll *always* use a picture with a pretty lady in it
[23:08] <ali1234> and it works on me... every time
[23:08] <slickymaster> putting the trust aspect aside (lets assume they trust the docs) do you think that just by having the brief adjective in that setence will catch more interest in the reading itself?
[23:09] <slickymaster> if yes, don't you think that the follwoing setence puts that already gained interest to loss when they're invited to go through a sort of a digest?
[23:10] <slickymaster> * sentence
[23:10] <slickymaster> sidi:
[23:13] <sidi> slickymaster, sorry had to afk
[23:14] <sidi> was looking for painkillers Q.Q
[23:14] <slickymaster> bummer
[23:14] <sidi> slickymaster, i dont think the phrasing of that sentence is ideal
[23:14] <sidi> but the intro should, in a way or another, deliver the take-home message
[23:14] <sidi> because in this kind of documents people wont read through the conclusion
[23:15] <slickymaster> I agree on that
[23:16]  * slickymaster scratches head
[23:16] <sidi> sorry guys got urgent work to do
[23:16] <sidi> and im so tired
[23:16] <sidi> i can help later, but not now
[23:16] <sidi> still gotta do the damn UX survey too :-(
[23:16] <slickymaster> thanks for all the work you've done so far sidi
[23:18] <Unit193> knome: keepassx.
[23:18] <knome> tell slickymaster
[23:18] <sidi> slickymaster, its funny putting down the content doesnt feel like work for me ;P
[23:18] <sidi> the shape, however, is :p
[23:18] <slickymaster> lol
[23:19] <slickymaster> I already use it Unit193
[23:21] <Unit193> You asked. :P
[23:22] <Unit193> slickymaster: There's also the mono keepass2, or if you pull the package from Debian there's the keepassx that supports the newer database format, but the UI isn't as good as the current keepassx.
[23:23] <knome> Unit193, oh you replied for that question
[23:23] <knome> i thought you told me it's keepassx, not keepass
[23:24] <slickymaster> the docs mention keepass, not keepassx
[23:24] <knome> yes, but the package name at least for trusty is keepass
[23:24] <slickymaster> I'm actually vety satiefied with keepassx
[23:24] <slickymaster> * very
[23:24] <knome> i like manual encfs stuff.
[23:25] <slickymaster> satisfied
[23:25] <Unit193> !info keepass
[23:25] <knome> well, semi-automated
[23:25] <Unit193> !info keepassx
[23:25] <Unit193> !info keepass2
[23:25] <knome> aha
[23:25] <knome> slickymaster, mind changing that?
[23:25] <slickymaster> opes, I'll do it
[23:25] <knome> KeePassX being the right casing?
[23:26] <slickymaster> replace it by what?
[23:26] <knome> we say KeePass
[23:26] <knome> replace with KeePassX
[23:26] <Unit193> knome: If you use that one, yes.
[23:26] <slickymaster> ok, that one it will be
[23:26] <knome> Unit193, probably
[23:26] <knome> i don't know about password managers, and if you say it's better....
[23:26] <slickymaster> I'm still facing that first sentence
[23:27] <slickymaster> I'm quite happy with keepassx
[23:27] <knome> :)
[23:27] <knome> didn't you just say that? :D
[23:27] <AgAu> does keepassx work with keefox and such to work with thunderbird and firefox?
[23:27] <Unit193> keepass2 may have plugins that work with it, but it is mono.
[23:28] <slickymaster> I'm tired knome
[23:28] <knome> slickymaster, awwh
[23:28] <slickymaster> :P
[23:28] <knome> Unit193, i was asking earlier because i needed to make another pick for the tip-box
[23:29] <knome> pick pasaffe because i know the maintainer by name, and it had a relatively recent release (nov 2014)
[23:29] <Unit193> AgAu: Ah cool, so plugins do generally work with keepass2?  Bah..
[23:29] <knome> why are these citruses so hard to peel!!!!
[23:30] <AgAu> im using keepass 2.28 with mono and keefox
[23:30] <knome> btw, that should be my next random quote
[23:30] <AgAu> so all my passwords get auto filled in thunderbird and ff
[23:30] <pleia2> knome: want to take a look at the proposed text for our stickers+qa post? pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive
[23:30] <knome> no
[23:30] <knome> but i can
[23:30] <pleia2> lolz
[23:30] <pleia2> thanks :P
[23:31] <pleia2> top of the pad, elfy and I worked on it a bit the other day
[23:31] <slickymaster> pleia2, defence or defense?
[23:31] <slickymaster> Unit193 ^^
[23:31] <pleia2> slickymaster: defense
[23:31] <knome> Manual testing of the development version of the Xubuntu development cycle.
[23:31] <slickymaster> thought so, also
[23:31] <slickymaster> thanks pleia2
[23:31] <knome> pleia2, is the start supposed to be like that?
[23:31] <pleia2> knome: you're welcome to fix what's icky :)
[23:32] <knome> ugh
[23:32] <knome> :)
[23:32] <pleia2> probably need to say *during the* development cycle
[23:32] <knome> you are mussing a verb
[23:32]  * pleia2 fixed
[23:32] <knome> missing too...
[23:32] <pleia2> hmm, I could have sworn that made sense at some point
[23:32] <knome> haha
[23:41] <bluesabre> good evening folks
[23:41] <bluesabre> brainwash: nice, good one
[23:41] <bluesabre> I'll merge that in :)
[23:43] <Unit193> Howdy.
[23:43] <knome> pleia2, is it any better now?
[23:44] <pleia2> knome: yes, thank you :) I'll prep this on the wordpress later and maybe we publish tomorrow
[23:45] <knome> i think we should also move the thanks section somewhere
[23:45] <knome> it's kind of lost there
[23:45] <knome> especially the mention of future competitions is kind of hidden
[23:45] <pleia2> concluding with thanks is a kind of natural thing
[23:45] <knome> *potential
[23:45] <pleia2> maybe move the future thing up
[23:46] <knome> should the unixstickers mention go down to thanks?
[23:46] <pleia2> probably
[23:47] <knome> much better
[23:48] <pleia2> woo editing at the same time
[23:49] <knome> if you are fine with this, i can dump it to WP
[23:49] <pleia2> sure
[23:49] <knome> ok, doing that now
[23:50] <pleia2> probably wait to publish until tomorrow though (holiday in the US today, lost of people missing from the intertubes)
[23:50] <knome> sure
[23:51] <slickymaster> knome: what do you think of: "Keeping your computer and personal information safe from security threats is one of the most important aspects of today's computing. This guide aims to help you achieving it, paying a particular attention following subsections:"
[23:51] <pleia2> knome: thank you for your help :)
[23:52] <slickymaster> + to the before ".... following subsection:"
[23:52] <knome> pleia2, np
[23:52] <slickymaster> corrected: "Keeping your computer and personal information safe from security threats is one of the most important aspects of today's computing. This guide aims to help you achieving it, paying a particular attention to the following subsections:"
[23:52] <knome> slickymaster, put that in a pad or sth and i'll poke it next
[23:54] <slickymaster> knome ->
[23:54] <slickymaster> http://pad.ubuntu.com/Lfsfxme4JA
[23:57] <knome> pleia2, http://xubuntu.org/?p=2921&preview=true
[23:58]  * knome releases post edit lock
[23:58] <pleia2> knome: ooh, we shold put a picture of the bundle in too
[23:59] <knome> yes
[23:59] <slickymaster> wfm knome
[23:59] <pleia2> grabbing the one that is on the bundles page is fine I think
[23:59] <pleia2> I could take a picture of them myself, but probably not as pro :)
[23:59] <knome> pleia2, or you can take a photo of them and you!
[23:59] <knome> who cares about pro!
[23:59] <pleia2> haha


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[04:19] <chilts> olly: nicely done
[19:17] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:31] <Atamira> morning
[21:57] <olly> morning
[22:37] <mwhudson> mornings