[00:07] <sadik123> how to enable the autoanswer mode in ekiga which comes along with ubuntu 9.04 by default...plz let me know how to enable it
[00:22] <sagaci> where's the meeting
[00:24] <Vantrax> sadik123: support is done in #ubuntu
[00:25] <Vantrax> sagaci: meeting will be in #ubuntu-meeting
[00:25] <sagaci> thx
[00:51]  * Vantrax is heading off to take his wife in for a checkup and will miss the meeting
[00:53] <pleia2> aw, ok
[00:53] <pleia2> good luck :)
[00:53] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen, cprofitt, you guys here?
[00:54] <cprofitt> I am here...
[00:54] <pleia2> cprofitt: we have an RIT guy talking to the dean tomorrow about fosscon \o/
[00:54] <cprofitt> Nice.
[00:54] <cprofitt> ClamAV found 9 viruses on a fresh install of Ubuntu so far...
[01:01] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: you around for the meeting?
[01:02] <pleia2> everyone: meeting over in #ubuntu-meeting :)
[01:28] <bodhi_zazen> thanks pleia2
[01:29] <bodhi_zazen> I will look at the desktop page
[01:29] <bodhi_zazen> It needs a glossary link
[01:29] <bodhi_zazen> and I can add a few links to the wiki as well
[01:29] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen, pleia2 - great work guys... very sorry my summers are so stuffed
[01:32] <bodhi_zazen> cprofitt: I think after we get the basics up we should work on virtualization and security as a second round
[01:32] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen, I agree...
[01:32] <bodhi_zazen> both topics are seemingly simple, but very complex under the surface
[01:33] <cprofitt> I am still trying to recruit 'educators' from K-20 to write some courses on using Ubuntu in the classroom
[01:33] <bodhi_zazen> I mean a lot of people think of security as install it and forget it =)
[01:33] <cprofitt> I am too paranoid for that...
[01:34] <bodhi_zazen> yea, but I mean, really =)
[01:35] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen, I run nmap scans of all of my vlans on a weekly basis
[01:35] <bodhi_zazen> nice
[01:35] <bodhi_zazen> I found a cool little tool you might like
[01:35] <bodhi_zazen> bfilter
[01:35] <bodhi_zazen> it is a proxy
[01:35] <doctormo> pleia2: Am I too late?
[01:36] <pleia2> doctormo: yes, it was a quick meeting talking about how awesome you are
[01:36] <bodhi_zazen> can be used with any broswer that accepts a proxy (ff, opera, chrome)
[01:36] <bodhi_zazen> filters out ads
[01:36] <bodhi_zazen> super simple to set up
[01:36] <bodhi_zazen> comes as windows or linux version
[01:36] <bodhi_zazen> windows version is portable
[01:41] <bodhi_zazen> If you like you can firewall it and server multiple clients on your LAN
[01:43] <bodhi_zazen> easier to impliment then squid =)
[01:43] <bodhi_zazen> lol
[01:43] <doctormo> pleia2: lol
[01:44] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: You trying to convince people to switch from Ubuntu to Windows? :-P
[01:45] <bodhi_zazen> Of course =)
[01:46] <bodhi_zazen> bfilter is cross platform, runs on Linux just fine
[01:46] <bodhi_zazen> there is a nice zeroconf package too
[01:46] <doctormo> cprofitt: you found viruses on Ubuntu :-/
[01:47] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: That's great, I like zeroconf, I want to get a nice zeroconf networked machines setup going. Any advice of tech to use? It's a multi user network using openldap and kerberos.
[01:47] <doctormo> pleia2: Do you have to logs for the meeting? It's not yet updated on irclogs.ubuntu.com
[01:48] <bodhi_zazen> No, I do not have much zeroconf experience, not sure if I trust it yet .
[01:48] <pleia2> doctormo: they should be regenerated in 12 minutes, if you can wait that long :)
[01:48] <bodhi_zazen> both in terms of security and in terms of not breaking the package manager (yum / dpkg / etc).
[01:49] <cprofitt> doctormo, actually no...
[01:49] <cprofitt> they were the test files installed with ClamAV from the repos
[01:58] <doctormo> cprofitt: Interesting
[01:58] <cprofitt> yeah
[01:58] <cprofitt> not fond of them putting test files on...
[01:58] <cprofitt> but...
[01:58] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: I can understand that, I'm looking into some of the posibilities. What I want is a way to sync select files in /etc to each client machine on the network, as well as certain other configurations.
[02:00] <doctormo> pleia2, cprofitt, bodhi_zazen, Vantrax: should we invite some of the Ubuntu Developer Week teachers to get involved with penning their topics into courses once BiosElement has finished the first draft of the "how to write course classes" course?\
[02:01] <cprofitt> I would like that...
[02:01] <pleia2> doctormo: sounds good
[02:01]  * cprofitt is in another meeting
[02:01] <BiosElement> Sounds like a good idea. And FYI I've been jotting down notes to compile into a couple pages for a draft of that. At least to get people started.
[02:04] <pleia2> doctormo: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/08/18/%23ubuntu-meeting.html is updated :)
[02:08] <doctormo> BiosElement: Let me know how your getting on, I really very keen in getting this particular course finished and peer reviewed as it allows us to train other course writers.
[02:09] <BiosElement> doctormo, Will do. I'll try to get something thrown together by tomorrow evening.
[02:14] <doctormo> BiosElement: Sounds great, don't forget to follow the very instructions that your writing, in order to write it :-D
[02:14] <BiosElement> Ahaha, Of course :P
[02:15] <doctormo> cprofitt: For your virtualisation topics, you can add them into the sys-admin course. The current course I'm teaching is only 10 x 2 hour classes covering everything, including a lot of theory about systems.
[02:16] <doctormo> cprofitt: More peer review on existing material would be the way to do something lazy and non-comittal. Just post to the mailing list with [peer-review] Course name, so we can see what you doing.
[02:16] <doctormo> There will probably be a need for more classes than just the ones I'm writing for now. But I figured 10 that covered the ground work would suite us and we can move from there.
[02:17] <doctormo> And I also would like to appologise if I look like I'm just powering away with assumptions and such, do let me know if any of the work is incompatable with the published goal.
[02:18] <doctormo> I would like to sort out the compile method (i.e. from bzr dev branch to published moodle course)
[02:27]  * doctormo taps microphone, is this thing on
[02:32] <ding> doctormo, i'm lurking
[04:16] <Vantrax> i just got back:P
[04:34] <doctormo> Hey Vantrax
[04:34] <doctormo> I think everyone left once I'd said my thing, I have no idea if they love it or hate it. or perhpas it's more of a meh
[04:34] <Vantrax> lol:P
[04:35] <Vantrax> i would say its a good idea
[04:35] <Vantrax> i should FINALLY have time to finish our theme this weekend
[04:35] <doctormo> Vantrax: Woot!
[04:35] <doctormo> Vantrax: I was thinking of having the title graphic over hanf the menu bar and shifting the menu accross. Make it all web 5.0 and shit
[04:36] <Vantrax> 5.0???
[04:36] <Vantrax> make me a mock screenshot
[04:36] <doctormo> Yea, HTML 5.0 :-P
[04:36] <Vantrax> ill see what i can do with it
[04:36] <doctormo> All these people going on about web 2.0, that was ages ago, what are they all still using IE 4
[04:44] <doctormo> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Class_Acts#Needs <- I wonder if we should keep an eye on this
[13:10] <Surendra> hi
[13:10] <Surendra> any one here to help
[22:18] <ubuntumania> hj
[22:18] <ubuntumania> hi*


[21:17] <lisandro> do you still have qtbae 5.11 around?
[21:17] <lisandro> CVE-2020-17507 was marked as present starting from 5.12, but I really think it applies to 5.11 too
[21:17] <lisandro> nice bot :-)
[21:18] <lisandro> I think it was marked as starting from 5.12 because it's the latest LTS...
[21:18] <lisandro> on the other hand I do not think CVE-2020-13962 applies, but a second pair of eyes will surely be a great thing
[21:19] <lisandro> and sorry if you don't have 5.11 around and I'm just making noise!
 do you still have qtbae 5.11 around? ← qbase
[21:19] <lisandro> argh
[21:19]  * lisandro does a lots of typos and this keyboard does not helps


[02:31]  * ahoneybun hugs sgclark for packaging 5.3.2 on wily
[02:31] <ahoneybun> it is amazing
[07:10] <amichair_> is 5.3.2 backported to vivid, or only 5.4?
[07:21] <Kiranos_> I would like to test qt 5.5 :D
[08:10] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Good to hear :)
[08:11] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:12] <valorie> wow, wily is gorgeous
[08:12] <lordievader> \o/
[08:12] <valorie> but I'm getting no desktop after sddm fades
[08:13] <lordievader> Hmm, that is less.
[08:13] <lordievader> Kwinrc mucking things up? I get that at times under Plasma4.
[08:14] <valorie> I got a brandnew little netbook, and son couldn't find a wily bootable iso so he put unity on it, then added kubuntu-desktop
[08:14] <valorie> I'm wondering if that was an error
[08:16] <lordievader> Hmm, I had the same problem last weekend, couldn't find a bootable Wily image.
[08:17] <lordievader> valorie: plasma-desktop is installed?
[08:17] <valorie> when I login, and go to tty4, I get login: [ 4418.206692] [drm:intel_set_cpu_fifo_underrun_reporting [i915]] *ERROR* uncleared fifo underrun on pipe A
[08:18] <valorie> [ 4418.206692] [drm:intel_set_cpu_fifo_underrun_irq_handler [i915]] *ERROR* CPU pipe A FIFO underrun
[08:20] <valorie> oops, second # should be 4418.206767
[08:21] <soee> heh love those FIFO errors :)
[08:22] <soee> but they are all gone for me sine kernel 4
[08:22] <soee> Kiranos_: no, they are not yet backported to Vivid
[08:23] <soee> 5.3.2 is WIP
[08:23] <soee> amichair: ^
[08:23] <valorie> soee: so these are kernel errors?
[08:23] <soee> valorie: i have no idea
[08:23] <amichair> soee: ok, thanks
[08:23] <soee> valorie: i had some FIFO error messgaes during booting (after plymouth)
[08:24] <lordievader> valorie: Drivers errors, the i915 in particular.
[08:24] <soee> but they are gone since kernel 4
[08:24] <valorie> wow, and I can only get into tty4
[08:25] <valorie> that's really odd, since unity works just fine
[08:26] <valorie> I guess I'll just deal with Unity until Akademy
[08:26] <lordievader> The way I interpret the error is that the driver is complaining it gets too little data. But that with a huge grain of salt ;)
[08:26] <valorie> and hope someone can help me boot kubuntu there
[08:26] <valorie> such a cute little fondleslab!
[08:28] <valorie> http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-13-7347-laptop/pd
[08:32] <soee> ah Dell +1 :)
[08:33] <vip> got 7348, works well on vivid
[08:33] <valorie> actually, the install seems broken - apt-cache reports that kubuntu-desktop is not installed; apt-get -f install reports that kde-telepathy-minimal depends: kde-config-telepathy-accounts (>= 15.04.0 but it is not going to be installed
[08:33] <vip> (there's no auto-rotate, though)
[08:35] <valorie> when I try to install *that*, I get even more errors
[08:35] <valorie> just tried installing pastebinit, but get the same error as above
[08:35] <lordievader> valorie: What errors?
[08:36] <valorie>  kde-telepathy-minimal depends: kde-config-telepathy-accounts (>= 15.04.0 but it is not going to be installed
[08:37] <lordievader> What is the output of 'apt-cache policy kde-config-telepathy-accounts'?
[08:37] <valorie> the big error when trying to install -accounts is a dpkg error
[08:37] <lordievader> Details?
[08:39] <valorie> trying to overwrite /usr/share/accounts/services/google.im.service which is also in package account-plugin-google 0.12+15.04.2015.1-0ubuntu1
[08:39] <valorie> hard to type a perfect copy
[08:39] <lordievader> Ah, if that is all ;). Install the telepathy-accounts manually with dpkg and the --force-overwrite flag.
[08:39] <lordievader> Then let apt-get install -f do its thing.
[08:40] <valorie> can you remind me how that goes? I've only done that a few times
[08:40] <lordievader> valorie: cd to /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:40] <lordievader> Find the deb package of telepathy: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite <package>.deb
[08:42] <valorie> I'm there, but only in a terminal
[08:42] <valorie> can'
[08:42] <valorie> t scroll up or copy anything
[08:43] <valorie> ls gives me too big a list
[08:43] <lordievader> For the filename you mean? Use autocompletion: kde-config-telepathy-accounts<tab>
[08:43] <valorie> ok
[08:46] <valorie> buh, tab does nothing
[08:47] <lordievader> Hmm, it should... 'ls kde-config-telepathy*' do you see the package then?
[08:51] <valorie> I guess on teh packagename from what apt-cache told me, however when I ran the command it said it depends on kaccounts-integration which is not configured yet, which depends on.....5 more layers of the onion
[08:52] <valorie> -data, -kaccounts, -kpeople, libkaccounts, etc.
[08:52] <valorie> I wonder if I can just uninstall telepathy and solve it that way
[08:52] <valorie> because it seems borken
[08:52] <lordievader> I suppose you can.
[08:54] <valorie> damn, it removes a whole lot.....
[08:54] <valorie> how in the heck does all of kde depend on telepathy!
[09:02] <valorie> yeah now I'm in dependency hell
[09:09] <valorie> crap, now it won't boot into unity anymore
[09:09] <valorie> giving up for the night
[09:10] <soee> ;D
[10:40] <yossarianuk> hi -  is the PPA for 15.04 going to be updated for plasma 5.3.2 / frameworks 5.12?
[10:43] <soee> yossarianuk: Plasma 5.3.2 will land in backoprts when packages are ready. I'm not sure about Frameworks 5.12 but anyway they first need to get into Wily.
[10:44] <soee> Riddell: ^ might now more about frameworks
[10:45] <Riddell> yossarianuk: if someone does the work, sgclark is the only one working on backports currently
[11:10] <yossarianuk> Riddell: soee: cheers, are you both running Wily now (or is it to early)?
[11:10] <Riddell> I'm on wily, it's all good for me
[11:10] <Riddell> although people have reported problems with the upgrade
[11:11] <yossarianuk> cheers - may change home desktop... I was running 15.04 a few months before release with no issues (even managed to give a couple of bug reports)
[11:11] <yossarianuk> the snappy stuff - is this not affecting kubuntu ?
[11:13] <lordievader> Upgrade is not without bumps, but furthermore Wily is nice.
[11:14] <yossarianuk> cool - ill install from .iso rather than upgrade...
[11:15] <lordievader> The iso's didn't boot here, hence I was forced to go the upgrade path.
[11:16] <genii> So far I've been unable to do-release-upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04 on my laptop, but likely PPAs are my specific issue
[11:17] <Riddell> yossarianuk: I've not looked into snappy but I've no plans to start converting parts of KDE software into snappy packages
[11:22] <yossarianuk> cheers Riddell: wasn't 100% sure if Ubuntu core packages were being snappyfied...
[11:22] <Riddell> only a few for now as I understand it, gedit etc
[11:25] <sitter> yofel: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350061 I am reasonable certain that should be on reviewboard
[11:47] <sitter> Riddell: have you looked into telepathy-accounts-signon yet?
[11:47] <Riddell> sitter: the overlapping files you mean?
[11:48] <sitter> no
[11:48] <sitter> new thing mck182 released a couple of days ago
[11:48] <soee> telepathy-accounts-signon ? the one that stoped valorie from using kubuntu-desktop ?
[11:48] <mck182> unlikely :P
[11:48] <soee> ;)
[11:48] <mck182> it will be a required runtime dep for kde-telepathy 15.08
[11:59] <sitter> hm
[12:00] <sitter> mck182: ktp-common-internals is wrong
[12:00] <sitter> it shouldn't mark the signon plugin REQUIRED
[12:00] <sitter> but RUNTIME
[12:00] <mck182> it is...both
[12:00] <sitter> there is no reason for it being installed at build time?
[12:01] <mck182> hmm I guess
[12:01] <mck182> ok
[12:01] <mck182> somehow I thought that cmake will be smarter with required-runtime *shrug*
[12:01] <sitter> mck182: yeah, I never quite got my head around the runtime thing entirely
[12:02] <sitter> you'd think RUNTIME would imply REQUIRED unless overridden
[12:02] <sitter> alas, that's not how it works
[12:02] <sitter> i.e. a distro would override RUNTIME->REQUIRED during a build, whereas for a user RUNTIME->REQUIRED would be true and should be enforced
[12:03] <mck182> sitter: I've removed the REQUIRED
[12:03] <sitter> cheers
[12:03] <mck182> pushed
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:19] <sitter> Riddell, shadeslayer: revu plz https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+sourcepub/5216873/+listing-archive-extra
[12:19]  * sitter hasn't made a proper !kde package in years
[12:22] <sitter> mck182: most dificult question... which of our 300 binary packages should actually drag the plugin in xD
[12:22] <sitter> libktpcommoninternals9 itself perhaps?
[12:23] <mck182> sitter: yeah, go for that one
[12:26] <Riddell> sitter: missing Vcs fields?
[12:26] <Riddell> sitter: patches/ can be removed
[12:27] <sitter> there is no vcs
[12:27] <Riddell> sitter: straight dh instead of pkg-kde ?
[12:27] <sitter> it's not kde software
[12:27] <Riddell> upstream includes GPL when nothing seems to be GPL licenced
[12:28] <sitter> mck182: ^
[12:28] <sitter> Mirv: what do I have to build depend on to make qtchooser actually not commit suicide? so far I have qtbase5-dev and qt5-qmake
[12:28] <mck182> sitter: what's that?
[12:29] <sitter> mck182: the COPYING can be deleted, tehre is nothing using the gpl
[12:29] <mck182> sitter: but where? ktp-common-internals?
[12:29] <sitter> mck182: telepathy-accounts-signon
[12:29] <mck182> ah
[12:30] <Riddell> sitter: W: telepathy-accounts-signon source: dependency-is-not-multi-archified telepathy-accounts-signon-dbg depends on telepathy-accounts-signon (multi-arch: no)
[12:30] <Riddell> W: telepathy-accounts-signon source: dep5-copyright-license-name-not-unique (paragraph at line 30)
[12:30] <Riddell> W: telepathy-accounts-signon source: missing-license-paragraph-in-dep5-copyright lgpl-2.1+ (paragraph at line 26)
[12:30] <Riddell> is it suppoesd to put files into /usr/lib/mission-control-plugins.0/ ?
[12:31] <mck182> yes
[12:31] <mck182> it is a mission control plugin :P
[12:31] <mck182> it takes the path from pkg-config
[12:32] <mck182> $ pkg-config mission-control-plugins --variable=plugindir
[12:32] <sitter> hm
[12:32] <sitter> why did I my lintian not complain
[12:33] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11887501/
[12:33] <sitter> other people's software 99% of the time just makes me go :@
[12:34] <Mirv> sitter: export QT_SELECT := qt5 in debian/rules
[12:34] <sitter> ufff
[12:34] <sitter> Mirv: that seems so incredibly naughty -.-
[12:34] <Mirv> sitter: qtchooser has caused a lot of discussion on whether it should have been ever invented or not ;)
[12:35] <sitter> yeah
[12:35] <Mirv> sitter: there's qt5-default package that sets the default to be qt5, but its usage is discouraged
[12:35] <sitter> every time I have to deal with it I find it grossly underwhelming
[12:36] <mck182> Riddell sitter: https://gitlab.com/accounts-sso/telepathy-accounts-signon/commit/f01a6d9eccad24a3cb4a5300fb0ae0fd426cc815
[12:36] <mck182> will be in next release I guess
[12:38] <Mirv> sitter: the alternative of renaming everything to be suffixed with -qt4/-qt5 was selected by eg Fedora, but then again upstream recommends against that all the documentation in the world uses the non-suffixed names
[12:38] <sitter> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+sourcepub/5216903/+listing-archive-extra
[12:38] <sitter> should fix everything
[12:38] <sitter> can't know for sure since my lintian doesn't want to talk to me :P
[12:38]  * Riddell gets an ice cream before checking
[12:38]  * sitter goes for a quick swim meanwhile
[12:53] <Riddell> sitter: you have a pool?!
[12:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer was at a hot tub party last week, he didn't think to invite us
[12:56] <Riddell> sitter: dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field
[12:56] <Riddell> sitter: W: telepathy-accounts-signon source: dependency-is-not-multi-archified telepathy-accounts-signon-dbg depends on telepathy-accounts-signon (multi-arch: no)
[12:57] <Riddell> which seems a little strange to me if it's multi-arch: no
[12:57] <soee> oh :) http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-updates-ubuntu-licensing-terms-after-two-year-discussions-with-fsf-487054.shtml
[13:00] <sitter> Riddell: indoor, outdoor, quarry pond and a river all reachable in 5 minutes
[13:00] <sitter> and I am not even living in the big city \o/
[13:00] <sitter> Riddell: multiarch yeah I dunno, lintian being drunk again
[13:01] <sitter> uh
[13:01] <sitter> actually
[13:01] <sitter> Riddell: in this instance it makes sense
[13:02] <sitter> since the dbg would have the same basepath which is not multiarch in *theory* it is not multiarch:same (practically ti is though since AFAIK the debug symbols have a unique id anywayu so there is no conflict to be had
[13:02] <sitter> that's not what lintian is actually complain about though :P
[13:02] <sitter> Riddell: I'll just remove the multiarchness, that should resolve it
[13:02] <sitter> any other complaints?
[13:03] <Riddell> sitter: I don't have a glass of ice cold cava infront of me
[13:03] <sitter> Mirv: thanks, qt_select made it work :/
[13:04] <sitter> Riddell: btw breeze and oxygen stil not building in CI
[13:04] <sitter> seems like a packaging problem
[13:04] <sitter> might be unstable only though
[13:04] <Riddell> hmm ok
[13:04] <sitter> packaging too complicated to comprehend >.<
[13:05] <sitter>   Uploading telepathy-accounts-signon_1.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[13:05] <sitter> Successfully uploaded packages.
[13:05] <sitter> should arrive in new queue shortly
[13:17] <Mirv> sitter: you're welcome
[13:18] <Riddell> mck182: I can delete kte-collaborative from the archive now?
[13:19] <mck182> Riddell: uhh....no idea
[13:19] <mck182> but I guess it wasn't ported
[13:19] <mck182> lemme ping the maintainer
[13:19] <Riddell> experimental kate plugin I think it was
[13:20] <Riddell> sitter: telepathy-accounts-signon accepted!
[13:27] <sitter> \o/
[13:29] <Riddell> lots of frameworks for the fixing for any keen packagers :) http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.12.0_wily.html
[13:30] <Riddell> sitter: on the wayland hard deps thread on release-team, I guess kci means we can confirm it's all good for us?
[13:39] <sitter> Riddell: yes
[13:39] <sitter> martin did ask for people complaining not people green lighting though :P
[13:40] <Riddell> now that's just asking for a miserable life
[14:21] <ahoneybun> lordievader: very happy so far about wily
[14:22] <lordievader> ahoneybun: That is good to hear :)
[14:22] <ahoneybun> lordievader: Plasma 5.3.2 fixed thaat problem with the widget crashing plasma
[14:23] <lordievader> How is nVidia prime treating you?
[14:24] <ahoneybun> rocking the nvidia driver
[14:24] <ahoneybun> have not moved to the intel
[14:24] <ahoneybun> and gaming seems to work, I was playing Dying Light with no problems so far
[14:25] <lordievader> Heh
[14:40] <yofel> sitter: yes, it should. I had other stuff to do back then so I just filed a bug
[14:44] <yofel> santa_: where are your kde-config-systemd fixes again?
[14:46] <santa_> yofel: right now only in my ppa https://launchpad.net/~panfaust/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-kf5-experiments
[14:46] <santa_> didn't have time to submit them properly
[14:46] <yofel> thanks, I'll look at them in a bit
[14:47] <santa_> yofel: there was a launchpad bug so you might want to close it in the changelog
[14:47] <yofel> right, will do
[14:48] <santa_> yofel: oh and other small detail, if you want to make it buildable in debian, make sure you build depend on systemd
[14:48] <santa_> I had to add it for siduction
[14:48] <yofel> ok
[14:49] <santa_> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=647788
[14:49] <santa_> ↑ that's why it's needed to build depend on systemd for debian
[15:35] <yofel> santa_: uploaded, thanks
[15:43] <santa_> yofel: excellent, thank you
[15:44] <yofel> santa_: actually, I only realized that too late, but why did you remove the hardening flags? Are they included in pkd-kde-tools?
[15:49] <yofel> doesn't look like it
[15:49] <santa_> hmm, it tought it would, let me check, then
[15:54] <santa_> yofel: the -Wl,--as-needed are included so no need to tell that explicitly in the rules
[15:54] <santa_> checking the others...
[15:54] <santa_> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/211821795/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.kde-config-systemd_1.2.0-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[15:55] <yofel> right, those are included, but I don't see anything hardening related there
[15:57] <santa_> ok, just checked, it seems to me they are included too
[15:58] <santa_> -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
[15:58] <yofel> ah, something pulls in hardening-includes, ok then
[15:59] <santa_> yofel: ↑ seen in the amd64 buildlog linked above
[15:59] <yofel> right, thanks for checking
[16:13] <santa_> Riddell: good evening, I made some progress on my gcc 5 investigation, but I need you to do me a small favor: could you please click the rebuild button for this? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks/+build/7648522
[16:13] <santa_> I need to know how it behaves
[16:16] <yofel> santa_: retried
[18:25] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping
[18:26] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: pong
[18:26] <ovidiu-florin> how you doin'?
[18:26] <ahoneybun> fine, wondering what you want me to do about the Download page...
[18:26] <ahoneybun> I have no idea how that is handled
[18:28] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: what do you think of having another page that contains promotional content for download?
[18:28] <ovidiu-florin> and have a link to it in the footer and in the download page
[18:28] <ovidiu-florin> and you can add those there
[18:29] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: the dvd artwork, svgs of the logos and such
[18:29] <ahoneybun> sounds good
[18:29] <ovidiu-florin> do you need help in creating this page?
[18:29] <ahoneybun> I have no idea how to
[18:30] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: login to the site
[18:30] <ahoneybun> which one?
[18:31] <ovidiu-florin> https://www-new.kubuntu.org
[18:32] <ahoneybun> not safe I see
[18:32] <ovidiu-florin> self signed cetificate by canonical sysadmins
[18:32] <ahoneybun> ohhh you got openid into it too
[18:32] <ahoneybun> niceeee
[18:32] <ovidiu-florin> it'll go away on launch
[18:32] <ahoneybun> oh :(
[18:33] <ovidiu-florin> we'll have an CA signed certificate then
[18:33] <ovidiu-florin> have you logged in?
[18:33] <ahoneybun> yea
[18:34] <ovidiu-florin> go to the Pages page
[18:34] <ovidiu-florin> you have there an Add New button
[18:34] <ahoneybun> I see
[18:34] <ahoneybun> what I mean is about setting the page up layout wise
[18:35] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: change the Template
[18:35] <ovidiu-florin> there's a dropdown for it
[18:36] <ovidiu-florin> use the preview before you save
[18:36] <ahoneybun> ok
[18:36] <ovidiu-florin> let me know when this page is created so I may create the links to it
[18:37] <ahoneybun> there is 2 Download pages in Parent
[18:38] <ovidiu-florin> I've made the wrong one a draft
[18:38] <ovidiu-florin> just now
[18:38] <ahoneybun> we need a place to host the fiels
[18:38] <ahoneybun> *files
[18:38] <ahoneybun> should I leave the page blank?
[18:39] <ahoneybun> hey soee
[18:40] <soee> hiho
[18:55] <ovidiu-florin> hohi
[19:35] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: how's it goin'?
[19:36] <ahoneybun> what is going?
[19:41] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: what is going?
[19:53] <ovidiu-florin> with the promotional content page
[19:55] <ahoneybun> oh that
[19:56] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: where are we hosting it at?
[19:57] <ovidiu-florin> what?
[19:57] <ahoneybun> there is this page as well: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Artwork
[20:01] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: then why did you create the new page on the site?
[20:02] <ahoneybun> I just found that
[20:02] <ahoneybun> and it is just a draft page on the site atm
[20:03] <ovidiu-florin> Rick_Timmis: ping
[20:04] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: we should decide on one of them
[20:04] <ovidiu-florin> site or wiki
[20:04] <ovidiu-florin> for this
[20:04] <ahoneybun> just use the wiki I guess, what do you think?
[20:10] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: you'd be using it the most
[20:10] <ovidiu-florin> it's the same for me
[20:10] <ahoneybun> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Artwork
[20:11] <ovidiu-florin> fine, then delete the page on the site
[20:12] <ahoneybun> done
[20:17] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: just the front is there
[20:17] <ahoneybun> I know
[20:17] <ovidiu-florin> why not both?
[20:17] <ahoneybun> I had to remake the whole thing in Inkscape
[20:17] <ahoneybun> and have not started on the back
[20:18] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: !
[20:18] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: can you please also add the Romanian version to that page?
[20:19] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: give me a link to your version
[20:20] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: it's on OwnCloud
[20:20] <ahoneybun> I know...
[20:20] <ahoneybun> new install remember?
[20:20] <ovidiu-florin> oh
[20:20] <ovidiu-florin> do you remember your credentials?
[20:23] <ahoneybun> the thing with inkscape is that it does not have layer groups
[20:23] <ovidiu-florin> oh, crap
[20:23] <ahoneybun> so we will have to make different files for each
[20:24] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: please ask in the Inkscape comunity if there is an alternative
[20:24] <ovidiu-florin> to layer groups
[20:24] <ovidiu-florin> because if we have separate files, and the original design changes...
[20:24] <ovidiu-florin> it messes everything up
[20:25] <ovidiu-florin> there has to be some ind of option to have a localisation enabled graphics project
[20:30] <clivejo> I hate patches!!
[20:31] <clivejo> why wont they work!
[20:31] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: try patching the patch :P
[20:32] <clivejo> its saying a file doesnt exist, but it clearly exists!
[20:33] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: check the path to the file
[20:33] <ovidiu-florin> compare every character, not just letters
[20:33] <clivejo> I have
[20:33] <clivejo> driving me insane
[20:36] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: https://paste.kde.org/p2rcd0a2i
[20:38] <ovidiu-florin> can you paste the patch and a tree output?
[20:38] <clivejo> Im in ~/project/calligra/new2/calligra-2.9.6/debian
[20:38] <ovidiu-florin> I might fall asleep, sorry if I fail to respond
[20:38] <clivejo> running quilt pop -a
[20:39] <clivejo> I might go remove my eyes with spoons!
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: if they are the same, then you're looking in the wrong place
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> I say this from experience
[20:40] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/pdump0zer
[20:40] <clivejo> thats the patch Im trying to install
[20:41] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: Im guessing here really but does Patch need its P ref amending
[20:41] <clivejo> apply
[20:41] <sick_rimmit> The paste bin looks like its looking in the wrong place
[20:41] <clivejo> I updated the patch file to the new version
[20:42] <sick_rimmit> I still get confused by Patch -p but man  could be your friend
[20:42] <ovidiu-florin> do you have this path calligra-2.9.6.orig ?
[20:43] <sick_rimmit> I got to go again folks, it's mad crazy at Timmis Towers
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> see you soon
[20:44]  * sick_rimmit Out
[20:44] <clivejo> no
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> what about in ../../ ?
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> ~/project/calligra/new2
[20:44] <clivejo> there is a tar file
[20:45] <clivejo> calligra-2.9.6.tar.xz
[20:46] <ovidiu-florin> then where is the orig dir?
[20:49] <clivejo> thats the tarball I downloaded
[20:49] <clivejo> the cp it to calligra_2.9.6.orig.tar.xz
[20:49] <clivejo> extracted inthe calligra-2.9.6
[20:55] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I just have to found out about changing the text color to a custom color
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> zzzz
[20:57] <ahoneybun> XD
[20:57] <ovidiu-florin> almost done https://trello.com/c/hWETu7ry/55-update-new-site-with-new-articles
[20:57]  * ahoneybun hands ovidiu-florin some coffee
[20:57] <soee> uh oh systemd updates almost every day :)
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> no coffe
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> I have to wake up at 6:30
[20:58]  * genii hands ovidiu-florin some valarian root tea instead
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> I need the day to be longer
[21:02]  * ovidiu-florin out, night
[21:03] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: we could say with xcf internally and just have the svg for Canonical when it comes time print
[21:08] <santa_> Riddell: my experiment of a kubuntu ppa simulation suceeded http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kdenext_buildstatus_ubuntu-exp/ubuntu-exp_status_kf5.html
[21:09] <santa_> I will try to find some time to send you patches
[21:11] <santa_> fyi the status page was generated with a fork of the stuff you have to generate yours, the code is maintained here: https://gitlab.com/siduction-tools/kdenext-build-status
[21:31] <Riddell> clivejo: seen the kamoso release?
[21:32] <clivejo> Riddell: no
[21:32] <clivejo> Im stuck with calligra
[21:32] <clivejo> stupid f'in patches
[21:34] <clivejo> going crazy here
[21:36] <soee> uh why KF 5.12 is so red :(
[21:37] <clivejo> Riddell: Im getting this error while trying to apply the patches - https://paste.kde.org/p2rcd0a2i
[21:38] <Riddell>  soee: gcc 5 transition
[21:38] <Riddell> clivejo: so look at the patch file, look at the files it patches and see why it's not applying and if you think you can fix it up
[21:38] <Riddell> if you can then  quilt push -f
[21:38] <clivejo> I have
[21:38] <Riddell> emacs CMakeLists.txt and fix it
[21:38] <Riddell> quilt refresh
[21:39] <clivejo> but where is calligra-2.9.6.orig/CMakeLists.txt ?
[21:39] <soee> Riddell: does it have influance laso on ther packages except KF ?
[21:40] <Riddell> soee: bad command or file name
[21:41] <soee> oh ?
[21:51] <Riddell> soee: I don't understand what you just asked
[21:51] <Riddell> clivejo: it's just the top CMakeLists.txt file
[21:51] <clivejo> Riddell: finally figured it out
[21:52] <Riddell> yay!
[21:53] <clivejo> needed QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches in my ~/.quiltrc file
[22:04] <Riddell> clivejo: oh well done, sorry I forgot that
[22:05] <clivejo> compiling/building now
[22:05] <clivejo> 12%
[22:10] <Riddell> time for a cafe con hielo
[22:19] <clivejo> a what?
[22:25] <santa_> coffee with ice
[23:40] <clivejo> does kate keep backups of files it was editting?
[23:49] <clivejo> I was keeping a text file with instructions on how to package and its gone :/


[01:05] <mhall119> Next team meeting is going to be March 22nd, add any agenda items you want here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/52/detail/
[01:32] <ShawnR> am i just missing the point? should i not be able to create a raid with mdadm by using UUIDs?
[01:33] <ShawnR> wouldn't that maintain the raid integrity if i move things around (add a drive or move a cable) and it gets assigned a different /dev/sd letter?
[02:50] <Epidemic> can I add an agenda item about discussing how awesome I am? :D
[02:51] <mhall119> Epidemic: only if you're going to be around to actually discuss it
[02:51] <mhall119> but be prepared to backup your assertions ;)
[02:52] <Epidemic> ;)
[02:52] <Epidemic> need a meeting in the west palm area but have no idea where it could be hosted
[02:52] <Epidemic> s/meeting/jam
[02:52] <mhall119> it can be a coffee shop somewhere
[02:53] <mhall119> or panera
[02:53] <mhall119> even a mcdonalds if you want
[02:53] <Epidemic> i've enver even been to one honestly... a "jam" that is... not panera :P
[02:53] <mhall119> there's not much to a jam, it's just getting 2 or more people together to work on a common task
[02:53] <Epidemic> which is?
[02:54] <mhall119> one of the easiest ones is testing the development release of Ubuntu
[02:54] <mhall119> download the ISO and burn it to CD or a USB thumb drive, then either run it live of (preferably) install it on some hardware, if you find a bug report it
[02:55] <mhall119> if you're bi-lingual, you can also do translations of apps in launchpad.net
[02:55] <mhall119> and of course, writing documentation for any app is always a good was to contribute
[02:57] <Epidemic> I don't know how you guys do it, I barely have enough time just to boot my ubuntu box lol
[02:59] <mhall119> we keep ours booted ;(
[02:59] <mhall119> ;)
[02:59] <Epidemic> saving for a wedding... don't have the money for that
[03:01] <mhall119> you don't have the money to keep your computer booted??
[03:03] <mhall119> you can always suspend instead of shutting down
[03:03] <Epidemic> not for the electricity
[03:03] <mhall119> do you have a laptop or desktop?
[03:04] <Epidemic> desktop
[03:04] <mhall119> hmmm....
[03:04] <mhall119> well if you're shutting it down anyway, Ubuntu boots pretty fast these days
[03:04] <Epidemic> honestly, i'm on the computer all day long, so wehn I get home, the only time i'm on the computer is gaming
[03:05] <Epidemic> actually, it's pretty sweet how fast the 10.10 boots
[14:11] <jck77> good morning and happy Friday
[14:15] <maxolasersquad> jck77: Good Friday and happy morning.
[19:20] <jck77> its 5:30 yet? damn what a boring Friday!! cant wait to go home
[19:28] <ejv> almost
[21:18] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping


[02:24] <linguini> How can I find out the exact configure flags used to compile OpenSSH on my lubuntu machine?
[02:35] <Xgates> hi guys
[02:36] <TheMaster> !source | linguini
[02:36] <TheMaster> Xgates: Welcome back.
[02:37] <Xgates> I'm running Lubuntu in virtualbox so I can compile/build Android and I'm trying to use ccache to assign a certain amount of disk space for ccaching as this cmd;
[02:37] <Xgates>  ~/android/omni/prebuilts/misc/linux-x86/ccache/ccache -M 25G
[02:37] <Xgates> but when I run it I'm getting this back at the terminal;
[02:37] <Xgates> bash: /home/foo/android/omni/prebuilts/misc/linux-x86/ccache/ccache: No such file or directory
[02:38] <Xgates> and I have the path and ccache in it;
[02:38] <Xgates> :~/android/omni/prebuilts/misc/linux-x86/ccache$ ls
[02:38] <Xgates> ccache  MODULE_LICENSE_GPL  NOTICE  PREBUILT
[02:39] <Xgates> So I don't get why I can't run this in Lubuntu? I've tried the command as the full path too and I also just tried running  ccache in it's own directory as ./ccache -M 25 and the same thing...
[02:39] <Xgates> I'm lost, I've never seen anything like this before in Linux when you have something bash is telling you it can't find it...
[02:39] <Xgates> errrrrrrr
[02:39]  * Xgates bangs head
[02:39] <Xgates> anyone have a clue here?
[02:40] <wxl> have you checked the permissions?
[02:40] <Xgates> it's owned by me as a user...
[02:40] <Xgates> -rwxr-xr-x 1 foo foo 31812 Nov 23 09:06 ccache
[02:41] <Xgates> it's not owned by root a user can run it...
[02:41] <wxl> assumedly you've tab completed your way to it?
[02:41] <Xgates> yes I ran it in the /path too
[02:41] <Xgates> ~/android/omni/prebuilts/misc/linux-x86/ccache$ ./ccache -M 25G
[02:41] <Xgates> bash: ./ccache: No such file or directory
[02:42]  * wxl shrugs
[02:42] <Xgates> I was building this in Mint yesterday too and it worked just fine, but I wanted something lighter so I thought I'd try Lubuntu...
[02:43] <wxl> well they use the same repos
[02:43] <wxl> its doubtful they use different versions of bash
[02:44] <Xgates> this is crazy I've never seen this before in Linux...
[02:44] <Xgates> errrrrrrrrr
[02:49] <TheMaster> file ccache
[02:50] <Xgates> file /home/foo/android/omni/prebuilts/misc/linux-x86/ccache/ccache
[02:50] <Xgates> /home/foo/android/omni/prebuilts/misc/linux-x86/ccache/ccache: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, stripped
[02:50] <Xgates> x86_64
[02:50] <Xgates> ok I need 32-bit compatibility libs
[02:50] <Xgates> I thought i had that too
[02:50] <Xgates> thanks guys
[03:44] <linguini> TheMaster: Thanks, I tried 'apt-get -b source openssh-client'; I'm investigating the result.
[06:19] <imdave> Hi Guys! Can I ask for help? I have a dual boot WinXP and Lubuntu. My WinXP internet browsing is fine while Lubuntu mostly can browse google sites only. Do you know what's wrong?
[19:00] <josiah14> is there a way for me to install Monaco as a terminal font?
[19:01] <josiah14> It's great that I can get it in gui apps, but i'm in the console more often than the gui
[20:13] <tomboy64> cat /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[20:13] <tomboy64> grml
[22:48] <josiah14> is there a way to keep the system from launching lxpanel at startup?
[22:48] <josiah14> I use a tiling window manager in place of openbox and would rather not have the panel running unless I call it myself
[22:49] <josiah14> (rarely use the panel since i use dmenu as my application launcher)


[21:42] <evilaim> speedy boot up please!
[21:43] <evilaim> ugh, *goes and reads up on configuring grub*
[21:43] <evilaim> I knew I shoulda gone with lilo
[21:44] <elumbella> when i start xchat it says something about the keyboard-shurtcuts could not be loaded
[21:44] <elumbella> what is that?
[21:44] <Kaj-Laptop> evilaim, you can find the linux images in your pakage manager, remove them there , it's the safest way
[21:44] <evilaim> ya?
[21:44] <Kaj-Laptop> yesa
[21:44] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: but I can use the older version from 01.10.09, everything works there (until I make updates after the installation)
[21:44] <evilaim> can someone please confirm what kaj said (no offense kaj, but 2 is better then 1;))
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: got it :D
[21:45] <evilaim> kaj, I can't seem to see them in the package manager
[21:46] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, do whatever you think you need to do ... it's your decision
[21:46] <virtuald> actionparsnip: you found a fix?
[21:46] <Kaj-Laptop> evilaim, linux image
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: aye
[21:47] <evilaim> Not there
[21:47] <virtuald> care to share?
[21:47] <virtuald> :)
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: gksudo gedit /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
[21:47] <oly> hi, can anyone tell me if mdadm is on the livecd ? or do you still need the alternative cd to setup raid ?
[21:47] <virtuald> already have that loaded
[21:47] <Kaj-Laptop> evilaim, got synaptic?
[21:47] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: I cant get the latest version to start the desktop, so what can I do?
[21:47] <harisund> Ok how do I find out if this is a known bug? I am trying to do gconftool -s /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop --type bool "false" and a million File Manager nautilus windows open up .. and keep opening up. Any ideas?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: line 378
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: mute_and_zero_levels "$TARGET_CARD" || EXITSTATUS=1
[21:48] <evilaim> ?
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: comment it out with a # at the start of the line
[21:48] <evilaim> yea
[21:48] <TDJACR> Any fixes for sound, backlight, camera on MacBook Pro 5,3
[21:48] <virtuald> that's line 379 for me
[21:48] <Kaj-Laptop> !synaptic | evilaim
[21:48] <evilaim> let me look:)
[21:48] <evilaim> I know I have it;)
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> virtuald: fine, edit it out, save file reboot, rejoice
[21:49] <virtuald>  will try
[21:49] <TDJACR> !mbp
[21:49] <TDJACR> !MBP
[21:49] <mewshi> Hey
[21:50] <mewshi> I'm having some... trouble... with the new netbook interface
[21:50] <harisund> Does anyone have any familiarity with Grub-2 used in karmic? I want to remove the splash screen and have an old-school Linux login process where I see every service being started etc etc with scrolling text. I used to remove splash and quiet in /boot/grub/menu.lst but that file no longer exists
[21:50] <mewshi> can anyone help me fix the netbook interface glitch I'm having?
[21:51] <ubox> mewshi, what is the problem?
[21:51] <evilaim> kaj, so, I can remove anything that has "<IP_ADDRESS>.*" and "<IP_ADDRESS>.*"?
[21:51] <mewshi> Here, I'll put the photo up for you.  Where do you prefer I post it?
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> harisund: gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> harisund: change splash to nosplash
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> harisund: save the file, close gedit, then run: sudo update-grub
[21:52] <harisund> ActionParsnip, cool thanks man
[21:52] <Kaj-Laptop> evilaim, i would leave 12 , dumpmthe rest except for the rt patches that may be listed as well
[21:53] <harisund> ActionParsnip, man I hate complete rewrites .. either that or I am just resistant to change. has anybody tried using gconf-editor to change nautilus properties?
[21:53] <mewshi> Where should I post the picture of my issue?
[21:53] <Kaj-Laptop> leave 12 and 13 alone , evilaim
[21:53] <evilaim> Can't I just edit grub to say auto boot 13?
[21:53] <virtuald> harisund: /etc/default/grub
[21:53] <evilaim> I don't really NEED the space or anything
[21:53] <evilaim> and I don't wanna cripple this system since it's ballin' atm
[21:54] <harisund> Does anyone know if Empathy supports Facebook?
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> harisund: i find it a lot OTT considering I single booty
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> harisund: http://philliptweedie.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/facebook-chat-with-empathy-in-ubuntu/
[21:56] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: It seems there is no help for me -.-   I thoght it could've to do with this libc6 bug
[21:56] <Kaj-Laptop> yes evilaim you set your timeout to "0" in /etc/default/grub
[21:57] <Kaj-Laptop> hakaishi, ok try to reinstall jaunty if karmic won't work for your setup
[21:58] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: guess I'll do that -.-
[21:59] <Kaj-Laptop> dinnertime here ..it's thanksgiving in Canada ...BBL
[21:59] <hakaishi> Kaj-Laptop: bye bye
[22:00] <xmnt> anyone else see this offer from the linux foundation?  https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/join/individual/join
[22:01] <mewshi> so... no one wants to see the picture of my issue?
[22:02] <mewshi> can anyone help me with this, please?
[22:03] <elumbella> mewshi, what is your problem?
[22:03] <mewshi> I'm having a weird issue with the netbook interface
[22:03] <elumbella> what interface?
[22:04] <mewshi> the main interface in the netbook remix?
[22:04] <Jaymac> i've lost all of my sound. :( went to the sound menu to try and figure out how to get my mic working, and suddenly all of my sound is zapped.. even changing everything back to exactly the same way it was doesn't work
[22:04] <Jaymac> listening to music or watching youtube videos the timer progresses at about 3x the normal rate but i don't hear anything
[22:04] <mewshi> O.o
[22:05] <mewshi> Jaymac, have you tried rebooting it?
[22:05] <mewshi> That would be my first thing
[22:05] <elumbella> mewshi, ah well. i'm sorry, i have no knowlegde about that...
[22:05] <Jaymac> mewshi, yes of course
[22:05] <Jaymac> the weird thing is i still get the sound at the login screen
[22:06] <mewshi> Well... hm... is your volume on?  Sorry, these are things I've actually done before
[22:06] <elumbella> Jaymac, i had no sound too. for me, it was my missing ownership of the hidden folders in my home directory
[22:06] <darthanubis> jdobrien, I miss Orlando;)
[22:07] <Jaymac> elumbella, is the folder name obvious? will take a look
[22:07] <elumbella> Jaymac, it was
[22:07] <elumbella> Jaymac, i don't know exactly, i changed ownership of all folder at once
[22:07] <Jaymac> looks like i own them all
[22:08] <elumbella> Jaymac, well, this is, where my experience ends :/ i'm sorry
[22:08] <Jaymac> elumbella, no worries
[22:10] <mewshi> ok, how do I file an *actual* bug report?
[22:10] <mewshi> Like, "this is what's wrong, here's a picture of it" bug reports
[22:10] <thiebaude> !launchpad
[22:10] <mac_v> mewshi: $ubuntu-bug <package-name>
[22:10] <mac_v> !bugs | mewshi
[22:11] <TheEvilOne> hey has anyone here installed the beta to find out that there wireless card no longer works
[22:11] <Jaymac> ok i just logged in to a different user on the same machine and the sound works fine.. i guess i can just copy my sound prefs across or something
[22:11] <Jaymac> if i can find htem
[22:12] <elumbella> Jaymac: you can also try to rename the ~/.pulse or ~/.gnome2 folders and log back on
[22:13] <evilaim> Ok, can someone help me a lil, I don't ask much :)
[22:13] <elumbella> they will be generated automatically with default settings
[22:13] <evilaim> I want my grub to auto boot kernel *.13
[22:13] <evilaim> I don't want it to ask...
[22:13] <mac_v> elumbella: the gnome2 ! 0.o a lot will be lost ;)
[22:13] <evilaim> Any idears?
[22:13] <evilaim> I really just want a damn quick boot time, no questions
[22:14] <elumbella> evilaim: which grub are you using?
[22:14] <evilaim> the new one
[22:14] <evilaim> think grub 2 beta 3?
[22:14] <mac_v> Jaymac: just the ~/.pulse and the .pulse-cookie
[22:15] <mac_v> !grub2 | evilaim
[22:15] <elumbella> evilaim: sorry, i still have the old one. i knew it for that, but i think it wont help you
[22:15] <minimec> evilaim: is there a second OS on the harddisk?
[22:15] <evilaim> no
[22:15] <mewshi> there, I filed a bug about it.  Hopefully someone will get around to fixing it.
[22:15] <evilaim> just different kernel images
[22:16] <Jaymac> fixed it, sweet
[22:16] <minimec> evilaim: I see you got grub and not grub2...
[22:16] <Jaymac> didn't have to delete any folder
[22:16] <Jaymac> ty for suggestions thought elumbella
[22:16] <elumbella> you're welcome Jaymac
[22:17] <evilaim> ?
[22:17] <evilaim> This is a fresh install
[22:17] <evilaim> So I'm assuming it's grub 2
[22:18] <mac_v> evilaim: grub2 is the default in karmic... pls refer to the wiki for all the options
[22:18] <minimec> evilaim: open /boot/grub/menu.lst and set +# to timout, and -# to hiddenmenu.
[22:19] <evilaim> it's blank
[22:19] <joaopinto> minimec, there is /boot/grub/menu.lst on grub2
[22:19] <elumbella> minimec: he got the new grub
[22:20] <elumbella> so its somewhere around /etc/grub or something
[22:20] <minimec> evilaim: So it's probably /etc/grub something ...
[22:20] <evilaim> let me check
[22:21] <evilaim> nope
[22:21] <joaopinto> evilaim, read the wiki page
[22:21] <evilaim> ugh
[22:21] <evilaim> yes, sir.
[22:21] <evilaim> sheebus
[22:21] <ubuntu_> hello!
[22:21] <ubuntu_> I've upgraded from kubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 a few minutes ago and tried to reboot. Everything seemed normal, the normal kubuntu-loading-screen appeared. The Loading time was much shorter, but that seems to be normal too (I read an article about kde wants to shorten the startup time up to 10 seconds). After the loading screen nothing happens. The screen turns black. The computer doesn't restart or shutdown, it looks like everythign is normal exce
[22:21] <ubuntu_>  screen is black.
[22:21] <joaopinto> minimec, same to you :)
[22:21] <ubuntu_> I don't have the slightest idea where to start now, because everything in the upgrade could have broken my system... :S
[22:21] <elumbella> evilaim: it's /etc/default/grub
[22:21] <ubuntu_> I'm currently running kubuntu from the kubuntu live cd...Can anyone help me please?
[22:22] <evilaim> tx
[22:22] <kklimonda> huh, I've installed only ubuntu-standard and got openoffice..
[22:22] <joaopinto> ubuntu_, nvidia ?
[22:22] <ubuntu_> yes
[22:22] <evilaim> ok
[22:22] <evilaim> So, I want timeout to be 0
[22:22] <evilaim> ?
[22:22] <kklimonda> can't even check LP for bugs like this..
[22:22] <thiebaude> ubuntu_, system-administration-hardware drivers
[22:23] <thiebaude> ubuntu_, my bad your using kubuntu
[22:23] <joaopinto> ubuntu_, I have seen nvidia complaining about unbootable systesm today
[22:23] <ubuntu_> ok
[22:24] <ubuntu_> any suggestions what to do now?
[22:24] <thiebaude> ubuntu_, which nvidia card?
[22:24] <ubuntu_> 9600 GT
[22:24] <elumbella> evilaim: in the old grub, you could set the highlighted entry somewhere, look for sth like that
[22:24] <Ian_Corne> shouldn't he just check his logs first?
[22:25] <ubuntu_> don't tell me nvidia isn't working with ubuntu/linux anymore, i bought an nvidia card to avoid that old ATI stuff :S
[22:25] <elumbella> evilaim: or simly change the order
[22:25] <thiebaude> ubuntu_, nvidia works prefect for me
[22:25] <Ian_Corne> the old ati stuff is the new nvidia stuff!
[22:25] <Ian_Corne> jk, it works fine with me too
[22:25] <thiebaude> 8400 gs 512mb ram
[22:25] <Ian_Corne> both ati and nvidia
[22:25] <elumbella> ubuntu_: nividia works fine here too...
[22:25] <ubuntu_> ok
[22:26] <ubuntu_> maybe it's not my graphic card causing the error
[22:26] <ubuntu_> maybe it isn't even an error
[22:26] <ubuntu_> i can
[22:26] <joaopinto> thiebaude, and are you using the open source driver ?
[22:26] <elumbella> ubuntu_: do you remember which version of the driver you installed?
[22:26] <thiebaude> joaopinto, no
[22:26] <ubuntu_> i can't tell what it is because i doesn't see anything :D
[22:26] <joaopinto> thiebaude, he is
[22:26] <thiebaude> 185 drivers that ubuntu searched for
[22:26] <elumbella> ubuntu_: can you switch to the other consoles?
[22:26] <ubuntu_> no i installed the proprietary one that was offered to me by kubuntu
[22:26] <ubuntu_> no
[22:26] <evilaim> ummm
[22:26] <joaopinto> ubottu, oh you did
[22:26] <evilaim> brb
[22:27] <evilaim> gunna test
[22:27] <ubuntu_> I tested this first, Alt+F1 doesn't work.
[22:27] <elumbella> ubuntu_: try ctrl+alt+f1
[22:27] <ubuntu_> ok I will
[22:28] <ubuntu_> is there anything else i should check? It's better i know this now instead of rebooting for another 5 minutes ;)
[22:28] <joaopinto> ctrl-altf-f1 is broken for me with the usplash updates
[22:28] <elumbella> ubuntu_: do you have the new grub?
[22:29] <ubuntu_> i think so because the normal kubuntu loading screen was shown
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> ubuntu_: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:29] <ubuntu_> and how?
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> mount your disks
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> in the livecd
[22:29] <ubuntu_> aah right thanks
[22:29] <jbuncher> is anyone else running into wpa enterprise issues on karmic?  network-manager doesn't remember the password after a reboot, so I have to put in all of the info again.
[22:30] <Ian_Corne> jbuncher: how to know if you're dealing with wpa enterprise?
[22:30] <elumbella> ubuntu_: you can try to remove the "splash" indicator from /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:30] <evilaim> Ummm, boot is WAY slower
[22:30] <evilaim> Meh, I guess I'll wait till the 29th
[22:30] <jbuncher> Ian_Corne, umm......you just select it?  It's different than wpa personal or wpa-psk, most home routers don't have it.  I need to use it on campus.
[22:30] <Ian_Corne> ok
[22:31] <Ian_Corne> we don't use a wpa system on campus
[22:31] <coz_> evilaim,  no only problem with waiting is that you may come across a bug that wont be fixed if you dont report it
[22:31] <Ian_Corne> just a login screen in a browser before you can do anything
[22:31] <evilaim> Well, I don't know man.  This just seems like a grub issue
[22:31] <evilaim> it's very very slow
[22:31] <evilaim> hmm
[22:31] <evilaim> I wonder if I have grub logs
[22:31] <coz_> evilaim,  yeah my  install wont boot at all with the new grub  :)
[22:32] <evilaim> haha
[22:32] <evilaim> where are system logs again?
[22:32] <evilaim> I thought /etc/log
[22:32] <evilaim> nm
[22:32] <evilaim> /var/log
[22:32] <evilaim> haha
[22:32] <Ian_Corne> yeh
[22:32] <Ian_Corne> :p
[22:32] <evilaim> blonde moment
[22:32] <evilaim> Grub doesn't log?
[22:33] <elumbella> evilaim: try dmesg
[22:33] <evilaim> kk
[22:33] <joaopinto> there are no filesystems mounted when grub runs, there is nothing to log
[22:33] <ubuntu_> here's my xorg log: http://pastebin.com/m2da6f8be
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> #
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your
[22:34] <rob0> ubuntu-9.10-beta-netbook-remix-i386.iso ... this is ISO9660 for a CD? (Kind of odd, since few netbooks come with CD drives.)
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> that's not good :p
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> #
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> (EE) NVIDIA:     system's kernel log for additional error messages.
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> go check that log
[22:34] <ubuntu_> where do i find it?
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> syslog i think
[22:34] <Ian_Corne> sec
[22:34] <evilaim> hmm
[22:35] <rob0> evilaim, grub cannot log anything, since it runs before the OS is running, no syslogd, et c.
[22:35] <ubuntu_> or i would set the standard display driver as default in my x11 conf and then reinstall the nvidia driver for the new kubuntu 9.10 release.
[22:35] <Ian_Corne> yes syslog
[22:35] <ubuntu_> as i remember right, during the upgrade the nvidia driver was uninstalled for any reason
[22:35] <Ian_Corne> i'd try to disable the priopitairy one
[22:35] <ubuntu_> maybe i don't see anything because the driver doesn't exist anymore
[22:35] <evilaim> So, is it ok if I downgrade back to grub 1?
[22:35] <evilaim> or is that asking for shit?
[22:35] <ubuntu_> vesa is the default display driver, right?
[22:36] <Ian_Corne> ubuntu_: chroot into your system and use jockey-gtk
[22:36] <Ian_Corne> to disable the driver
[22:36] <thiebaude> evilaim, me last week trying to upgrade to grub2 broke my system
[22:37] <elumbella> evilaim: i won't recommend it. it's a very complicated thing, you might end worse
[22:37] <evilaim> ugh
[22:37] <thiebaude> i'll order the 9.10 cd when its available
[22:37] <Ian_Corne> is the shop fixed yet?
[22:38] <Ian_Corne> i need to order cd's to hand out at uni :)
[22:38] <Ian_Corne> ShipIt is currently closed
[22:38] <Ian_Corne> We'll be back in a few days, shipping Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) CDs.
[22:38] <ubuntu_> ok i will try to restart now
[22:38] <thiebaude> Ian_Corne, yea, i've been ordering cd's since 6.06
[22:38] <elumbella> good luck :)
[22:38] <ubuntu_> in case it doesn't work; right then and in case it works, thank you :)
[22:40] <rob0> Okay, it is ISO9660. But it should be easy enough to copy over to a USB stick, right?
[22:42] <Ian_Corne> rob0: I use unetbootin to make my live-sticks
[22:43] <jdu> rob0: as do I
[22:44] <nick125> Hm. Anyone here know if it's possible to use a mail client OTHER THAN Evolution and still have it under the little mail icon in the tray?
[22:44] <rob0> I don't have that, but I think I know how to proceed with syslinux.
[22:45] <jdu> rob0: which unetbootin uses anyway
[22:47] <CShadowRun> nick125, easy, right click on the mail icon, click properties
[22:47] <CShadowRun> change it's command from evolution to <other mail client>
[22:47] <CShadowRun> job done
[22:47] <nick125> CShadowRun: I'm talking about the one in the system tray that has links with empathy, etc.
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[22:48] <thiebaude> yo
[22:48] <elumbella> CShadowRun: i think he talks about the indicator-applet
[22:48] <elumbella> yeah, right
[22:48] <CShadowRun> oh, i thought he was talking about the launcher, no idea then :P
[22:48] <elumbella> nick125: you need a plugin for the mail-client
[22:48] <jbuncher> That's a good question, how to configure which apps show up in the indicator applet and which ones don't
[22:48] <ripps> When somebody writes an libindicate plugin for it, then it'll appear in the indicator-applet
[22:48] <jbuncher> I, for one, don't need Empathy showing up there ever.
[22:49] <Ian_Corne> u
[22:49] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[22:49] <duffydack> I for one dont need empathy.
[22:49] <jbuncher> duffydack, agreed
[22:49] <ripps> ubuntu's empathy has libindicate built into it
[22:50] <elumbella> pidgin too
[22:50] <ripps> I believe pidgin has a plugin that does it, it can be disabled
[22:50] <duffydack> I find I`m uninstalling more stuff with each release.. add empathy with it
[22:51] <duffydack> thats the beauty of it tho, I can :)
[22:51] <ripps> I don't have any issues with empathy, it does everything that pidgin did, so I don't have any issues with it.
[22:52] <jbuncher> ripps, That's cool.  I find it to be much less usable and configurable than pidgin so I just can't stand it.
[22:52] <ubuntu__> so, there I am again
[22:52] <Ian_Corne> yeah it's not *there* yet
[22:52] <Ian_Corne> lol ubuntu__ :p
[22:52] <Ian_Corne> no change?
[22:52] <phako> could some of you (without having a custom gnome installed) execute the script http://python.pastebin.com/m1a90a754 and tell me if this outputs the home dir three times, please?
[22:53] <Ian_Corne> ill do it
[22:53] <ubuntu__> I was right, the nvidia driver was uninstalled during the upgrade... changing the xorg.conf to use the vesa driver let me start into my new 9.10 system
[22:53] <Ian_Corne> is python .py?
[22:53] <jbuncher> nick125, I'm pretty sure I saw that someone wrote a libindicate plugin for thunderbird, if that's what you're looking for.  It wasn't in the repositories though, but you can probably fid it with some googling.
[22:53] <ubuntu__> so there was the problem which si a big advantage to know.
[22:53] <phako> Ian_Corne, yes
[22:53] <nick125> jbuncher: I'm looking for it as we speak.
[22:53] <duffydack> does empathy have a now listening plugin?
[22:53] <duffydack> what plugins does it have anyway?
[22:53] <joaopinto> phako, no, it ouputs the 3 different paths, as expected
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> $ ./test.py
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> MUSIC /home/icorne/Music
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> PICTURES /home/icorne/Pictures
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> VIDEOS /home/icorne/Videos
[22:54] <phako> joaopinto, did you an upgrade or a plain install?
[22:54] <joaopinto> phako, plain install
[22:54] <phako> Ian_Corne, plain install as well?
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> yeh
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> well
[22:54] <phako> could someone who upgraded test this please?
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> i installed aditional libs for vent client and stuff
[22:55] <Ian_Corne> ah
[22:55] <Ian_Corne> yeah it's a clean beta install
[22:55] <ubuntu__> but now i wanted to installed the newer driver again via the hardware driver manager. so i started this driver manager, entered my root passwort and selected the newest nvidia driver from the list. Then i clicked on "activate". For half a second a downlaod/install window appeared and disappeared again without any error. Afterwards the entries in the list of the hardware driver manager are greyed out any i can't do anything except quit the
[22:55] <Ian_Corne> i'll try it on my other box
[22:55] <ubuntu__> manager
[22:55] <Ian_Corne> uit's upgraded
[22:55] <ubuntu__> the nvidia driver isn't installed afterwards off course
[22:55] <phako> joaopinto, Ian_Corne thanks :)
[22:55] <joaopinto> yw
[22:55] <elumbella> anyone already working with ubuntu one?
[22:56] <ubuntu__> any ideas what's wrong with the hardware driver manager? it worked in older releases very nice, but now it simply doesn't install the driver
[22:56] <jbuncher> nick125, try libnotify-mozilla
[22:56] <Ian_Corne> hmm phako
[22:56] <Ian_Corne> i'll /msg
[22:56] <evilaim> Ok, another issue I'm having
[22:56] <evilaim> Conky...
[22:57] <evilaim> when I run conky, it doesn't line up the wallpaper properly, looks like it's shifted it a lil bit down...  any ideas
[22:57] <nick125> jbuncher: Thanks. I'll take a look.
[22:57] <ubuntu__> well i upgraded karmic to the newest releases right now and i will try another restart now. right then
[22:57] <jdu> evilaim: look in .conkyrc and adjusting the settings for x and y positions
[22:58] <evilaim> for background?
[22:58] <causasui> getting very choppy sound with ekiga on a wireless network. is it possible that it's my network despite the network manager telling me I have 90% signal strength?
[22:59] <evilaim> ok
[22:59] <evilaim> found a wicked setting
[22:59] <evilaim> "Create own window" turn it off
[23:00] <evilaim> it'll fork it to the root window
[23:00] <evilaim> much better:)
[23:00] <evilaim> Now I just need to figure out the shift down
[23:01] <alankila> causasui: use system monitor to watch the network performance and estimate if the problem is with saturation of the link based on testing how fast your link is, and so on.
[23:02] <causasui> alankila: good idea, I'll try that
[23:03] <causasui> alankila: its sending and receiving about 20k/sec each. Since I can receive at 1.5MBs stable, I doubt its my network after all... must be pulse audio?
[23:04] <alankila> well what you should test is the point-to-point connection performance and perhaps the link stability: if you have a very small audio buffer then retransmits in wireless or any pauses could occur. I was hoping you could have seen long pauses where no data moves this way.
[23:04] <alankila> it's also possible, of course, that the problem might be related to the pulseaudio system, but then you would probably have any audio breaking regardless of what makes it
[23:04] <nick125> Hey....anyone here using Gwibber? I'm having a bit of an uh...issue. Gwibber is trying to announce every public twitter message via notifyOSD.....any way to get it to uh...not do that?
[23:05]  * alankila thinks the on-screen notify is one of the most annoying features of modern gnome
[23:06] <Ian_Corne> hehe :p
[23:06] <alankila> can I change the style of notify to something that either doesn't appear, or is buffered behind a flashing icon so I can check it when I feel like it, or one I can dismiss by pointing my mouse at it rather than have it blur and become transparent, it frustrates me that I can't dismiss it
[23:06] <causasui> alankila: Unfortunately with Ekiga I get no long pauses but only a lot of choppiness. The thing is that I remember having problems setting up Ekiga with previous versions too, but i cant remember how I fixed it. Ekiga doesnt seem to like pulseaudio, much less than other apps like VLC
[23:06] <evilaim> Yay, matrix wallpaper on my irssi
[23:06] <evilaim> haha
[23:06] <nick125> GAH! Even though I killed gwibber, the notifications are still coming in! GAAAAAAAAAAH
[23:07] <Ian_Corne> lol ni1s
[23:07] <Ian_Corne> lol nick125 *
[23:07] <alankila> causasui: you seem to be arguing that the problem is with pulseaudio but at the same time you are also admitting that other applications work? You should come up with a proper theory for what is wrong with the combination of ekiga and pulseaudio. I'll offer one: ekiga may be programming pulseaudio for too short latency period. Look at ekiga settings and increase any latency figure by about 10-fold if you find any
[23:08] <causasui> alankila: I dont want to get personal about this.
[23:08] <alankila> I've never even looked at that software
[23:08] <causasui> alankila: the ekiga docs say there are known problems with pulseaudio so if you think its an unplausible theory maybe you should have them updated
[23:12] <alankila> hmm. Looks like ekiga wasn't even a native pulseaudio app
[23:12] <alankila> well, that could be why it has problems... based on my experience, the alsa-pulse bridge seems to be hopelessly broken. :-/
[23:13] <alankila> hmm. Correction. ekiga is linked against pulseaudio.
[23:14] <causasui> alankila: is there anything i can do short of uninstalling pulseaudio? will my 2 sound cards still work if I do that?
[23:15] <alankila> hard to say. Ekiga uses a library called PT (for Portable Tools) which itself is linked against pulseaudio, so I expect it might even use pulse properly.
[23:16] <alankila> I do not think pulseaudio is really uninstallable any more... Last time I tried I had things like gconfd running in 100% cpu consuming loop because that wanted to talk to pulseaudio and couldn't find it, so it tried again
[23:16] <alankila> but that could have been a simple bug. You can try it, that's all I can say for the time being.
[23:16] <causasui> alankila: maybe there are alternatives like twinkle that work better with PA?
[23:17] <minimec> causasui: Ubuntustudiocould be a solution. I don't guess that they use pulseaudio.
[23:17] <causasui> minimec: I was hoping for a solution less drastic than installing another distro :(
[23:18] <minimec> causasui: What if you just change from pulseaudio to alsa in gstreamer-properties as a start?
[23:18] <alankila> for the record, I'm examining if portable tools has been enhanced with pulseaudio support
[23:18] <dragon> what are the chances of breaking stuff while upgrading an ubuntu-server to karmic?
[23:19] <alankila> it doesn't seem like it is. It uses alsa. It must be alsa that is somehow pulling in the pulse libraries.
[23:19] <alankila> figuring out the tree of dependencies is not easy, though ...
[23:20] <alankila> something depends on it, but ptlib contains no trace of pulse that grep can find
[23:21] <dragon> anyone?
[23:21] <arvind_khadri> Hi, can i use tomboy to create sticky notes?
[23:21] <dragon> arvind_khadri: tomboy runs on mono, which is a memory bloat. Consider using something sensible.
[23:22] <minimec> causasui: I am not even sure that you have to install the whole system. There is a ubuntustudio-desktop metapackage in the repo...
[23:22] <alankila> considering how little bloat there is in tomboy, that's pretty unfair... nautilus uses 26M, tomboy 30M, compiz 45M ... it's very similar to the other apps really.
[23:23] <alankila> similar shared memory regions as well, about 17M for each
[23:24] <Trizicus> i have all required samba ports supposedly open with gufw but when i port scan myself it says i only have 135 and 445 open. I cannot connect to any windows shares with the firewall enabled but I can when it is disabled.
[23:24] <tr2n-ng> hello. i got this error after upgrade from jaunty to karmic during booting with kernel <IP_ADDRESS> : "warning: unable to find a suitable fs in /proc/mounts, is it mountet?" what can i do?
[23:25] <alankila> (of course, tomboy will bloat if you use it, but then again everyone runs firefox and that baby *starts* with 60 MB footprint and nobody seems to mind)
[23:25] <dragon> alankila: compiz handles all the graphics and nautilus covers the desktop icons and launchers.
[23:25] <dragon> alankila: and it's totally ridiculous to compare Tomboy with Firefox, you know that.
[23:26] <alankila> is it?  So I've switched to chromium
[23:26] <rwat> just installed karmic on my mac mini media box - completely fails to detect my 42" plasma TV - how do I manually configure it, there doesn't seem to be an xorg.conf any more
[23:26] <dragon> ripps +1
[23:26] <alankila> I'm just pointing out that mono isn't *that* bloated as you made it sound like. It's largely in line with the other applications, although I admit that there is about extra 10 MB of memory that goes for the mono runtime and other overhead at least.
[23:27] <tr2n-ng> i forgot this text: "Use --subdomainfs to override." I have no idea what does that means.
[23:27] <jonathan_> hello!
[23:28] <dragon> alankila: "mono" consumes memory and stays persistent, when things can be done in a better way.
[23:28] <jonathan_> after the upgrade to 9.10, gstreamer is uninstalled for any reasons. I'm using kubuntu, so i don't really need it, but I'm a big fan of songbird which is based on this library. i can't install it anymore, it isn't in the repos anymore.  But everyone's desktops have like 1 to 4 GB of memory these days and you don't notice 10 MB spent on code anymore. Hell, I run eclipse regularly and that has memory footprint of 436 MB and I haven't used it much yet
[23:28] <dragon> alankila: 1. Your eclipse installation has a problem.
[23:29] <alankila> nope, it's stock install of eclipse.
[23:29] <dragon> alankila: 2. Tomboy consumes that 30MB+ memory sitting in the tray. That's too much for a panel icon.
[23:29] <alankila> just what you get if you download 3.5.1 and untar it and execute the eclipse binary in it.
[23:30] <Nafai> dragon: Uh, have you used Eclipse?  If you have projects of any considerable size open it is definitely a memory hog
[23:30] <dragon> alankila: I get no more than 200MB with eclipse, and I see it as value-for-money.
[23:30] <alankila> dragon: well, that's a fair point. But all the other icons that just sit in the tray seems to start with 15 MB, albeit they do mark about 10 MB shared. So we are really arguing about 10 MB, aren't we?
[23:30] <dragon> Nafai: Have I used eclipse? Figure it out. Large projects do consume 300MB+, but that's not a fresh install out of box.
[23:31] <alankila> well it's fresh install *and* my work's projects checked out.
[23:31] <dragon> alankila: If an icon sitting in tray would consume 15MB, I wouldn't want it there in any case. In my experience, mono tended to consume more than 10MB, growing with time.
[23:32] <Nafai> dragon: It's kind of useless to consider the memory usage of an Eclipse with nothing open, though.
[23:32] <Nafai> But I'm not here to argue
[23:32]  * Nafai goes back to lurking
[23:32] <thiebaude> Nafai, haha
[23:32] <alankila> dragon: I would like to point out that with jaunty, there was a bug in pango that made every open of dejavu sans consume 6 MB, so every app consumed about 22 MB and marked the same amount shared as now
[23:33] <alankila> that's 6 MB on top of what they consume now
[23:33] <alankila> pretty much nobody noticed
[23:34] <joshua_> could someone please tell me how to change the login screen on ubuntu 9.1
[23:34] <dragon> alankila: that'd be a trouble for a user like me.
[23:34] <alankila> in fairness I could save on eclipse's memory footprint just by running it with some -Xmx options. I think I could easily run this with about 160 MB heap or so
[23:34] <alankila> perhaps even less
[23:35] <joshua_> could someone please tell me how to change the login screen on ubuntu 9.1
[23:35] <diwic> quick question: I have several kernels installed on Karmic. How do I boot a previous one?
[23:35] <elumbella> diwic: select the one in your grub menu
[23:35] <elumbella> if it doesn't apper
[23:35] <dragon> alankila: I personally wouldn't mind having a large eclipse thing running as long as I'm using it. Same applies to tomboy. Problem was the tray icon blocking a chunk of memory.
[23:35] <diwic> it doesn't
[23:36] <rob0917> the fluendo codecs from the ubuntu store won't work in 9.10
[23:36] <elumbella> diwic: if it doesn't appear you have to edit the /etc/default/grub file
[23:37] <dragon> diwic: You can hit some key (I think 'e') to edit the command line options in grub while booting. Try typing the kernel's location there.
[23:37] <joshua_> could someone please tell me how to change the login screen on ubuntu 9.1
[23:38] <joaopinto> Josh1, there is no ubuntu 9.1, you mean 9.10 ?
[23:38] <alankila> dragon: fine, but since you are only complaining about tomboy that means you seem to tolerate each non-tomboy icon that you are presumably using quite little using 5 MB. While that's a better number, it is qualitatively much the same argument.
[23:38] <dragon> joshua_: System > Administration > Login Window
[23:38] <joshua_> ya
[23:38] <joaopinto> !karmic | joshua_
[23:38] <joaopinto> ops
[23:38] <joaopinto> we are there :D
[23:38] <joshua_> I only have "Login Screen" no button for Login Window
[23:39] <dragon> joshua_: click on it?
[23:39] <BUGabundo> doh joaopinto :)
[23:39] <alankila> about the browser: I'd like to migrate to epiphany-browser myself. I don't know why I'd want google's version of webkit more than I'd like gnome's version of the same rendering engine.
[23:39] <joshua_> I only have one option that is to enable automatic login
[23:39] <phoenixz> Using kubuntu 9.10, every now and then suddenly I get this avalanche of "sorry, but the .... program crashed".. funny thing is, it says "firefox" has crached, gwenview too, the kernel too, and some 10 others.. all mixed.. I click them away but for every one I click away, I get 0-5 others, about the same programs.. and the best of all, Im not using gwenview at that time, firefox is still running okay and I don't notice any kernel problem.. What is this
[23:39] <phoenixz>  about?
[23:39] <phoenixz> or better, I think this is a bug :)
[23:40] <joaopinto> Josh1, there is no login screen configurator
[23:40] <joaopinto> erm, joshua_
[23:40] <joshua_> why
[23:40] <joshua_> thats dumb
[23:40] <alankila> Mozilla's great fault is that their linux support is pretty bad: they do not give linux version anywhere near the same level of care as they give for the windows version, which is entirely rational. But that means the linux browser is shitty.
[23:40] <Jordan_U> diwic: Hold shift during boot to see the menu
[23:40] <dragon> !prefix | joshua_
[23:41] <joshua_> !tab joaopinto
[23:41] <diwic> Jordan_U: thanks, I'll try that :-) I was currently looking for documentation about /etc/default/grub
[23:41] <joshua_> why cant we edit our login screens
[23:41] <peloverde> As of very recently my audible bell is going off for nearly everything, is there a way to change this?
[23:41] <diwic> !tab
[23:42] <jimpop> peloverde, yes
[23:42] <diwic> Jordan_U: are we even running grub legacy or grub 2?
[23:42] <joaopinto> joshua_, because that is not yet available on the new gdm version
[23:43] <peloverde> jimpop, how?
[23:43] <Jordan_U> diwic: grub2
[23:43] <jimpop> peloverde, set "set bell-style none" in /etc/inputrc
[23:43] <diwic> Jordan_U: still package "grub" is installed but not package "grub2"
[23:44] <joshua_> my headphones work on ubuntu 9.10 but not in 9.04 can someone help me fix that
[23:44] <peloverde> jimpop, that only fixed libreadline apps
[23:44] <Jordan_U> diwic: If you upgrade it doesn't transition automatically
[23:44] <joaopinto> joshua_, if they work, what fix do you need ?
[23:44] <diwic> Jordan_U: this was a fresh karmic install from live-CD beta
[23:44] <jimpop> peloverde, what other apps are belling?
[23:45] <peloverde> jimpop, xchat chromium vim
[23:45] <joshua_> i am on the beta of 9.10 but with all of the bugs i would like to switch back to ubuntu 9.04 but not without my headphones
[23:45] <Jordan_U> diwic: The package is grub-pc
[23:45] <jimpop> peloverde, vim has a "set vb" option, put it in .vimrc
[23:46] <jimpop> peloverde, xchat has notification options
[23:46] <Jordan_U> diwic: grub is a meta package that can be satisfied either by grub legacy or grub2 ( whose package is grub-pc )
[23:46] <peloverde> jimpop, there used to be some sort of global setting, none of these apps were belling last week
[23:46] <lordmetroid> Do I need to reinstall from the BETA when the actual release is due in a few days?
[23:46] <joshua_> i am on the beta of 9.10 but with all of the bugs i would like to switch back to ubuntu 9.04 but not without my headphones
[23:46] <diwic> joshua_: It is difficult to know what to do about the headphones, it might help to upgrade alsa
[23:47] <joshua_> is it not possible to copy my sound configuration and copy it to ubuntu 9.04
[23:48] <jimpop> peloverde, can't help with that.... but I would be the first to point the finger at pulseaudio :-)
[23:48] <drop_tables> Anyone have a glitchy black line in their notification area?
[23:48] <diwic> Jordan_U: I have not grub-pc installed. I have grub-common though, who claims that it replaces grub-pc.
[23:48] <jimpop> joshua_ wrt headphone issue... what hardware?
[23:48] <peloverde> sigh, hopefully this is fixed in time for the release
[23:49] <joshua_> intel HDA Audio
[23:49] <joshua_> Gateway T-6345u
[23:49] <jimpop> yep
[23:49] <diwic> joshua_: copying alsa configuration is not likely to help.
[23:49] <jimpop> joshua_ the trick is to modify /etc/modprobe.d/alsa*.conf
[23:50] <jimpop> joshua_, however it is hardware dependent.   what you need to do is try adding "model=3stack" to the line that has snd-hda-intel
[23:51] <jimpop> for instance:  "options snd-hda-intel model=3stack power_save=10"
[23:51] <maco> jimpop: wait how did you determine which quirk he needs?
[23:51] <wirechief_> joshua_: what codec do you have ?
[23:51] <jimpop> maco: much pain
[23:51] <jimpop> much pain
[23:51] <joshua_> so why do my headphones work on ubuntu 9.10 but not on 9.04
[23:51] <maco> jimpop: same hardware?
[23:51] <jimpop> no
[23:51] <maco> jimpop: then how do you know which quirk?
[23:51] <joshua_> how would i find that out
[23:51] <maco> guess n test
[23:51] <diwic> Jordan_U: thanks for helping out...I'll try the Shift button
[23:52] <jimpop> but i have read nearly every blog post on alsa problems and the 3stack line helped on my laptop
[23:52] <wirechief_> joshua_: you can use alsa-info
[23:52] <diwic> joshua_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[23:52] <wirechief_> wget -O alsa-info.sh  http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh
[23:52] <jimpop> joshua_ i have a 95% confidence that the 3stack option will solve your problem.
[23:52] <wirechief_> that runs it, do as user in /home/user
[23:53] <diwic> wirechief_: nowadays ubuntu-bug -p alsa-base is preferred
[23:53] <joshua_> cool
[23:53] <Martyn> with karmic's replacement of init, are any new kernel commandline params needed?
[23:53] <joshua_> i would try it but i am running the beta of 9.10
[23:53] <wirechief_> diwic well thats true but having a attachement with the above will give alsa devs eyes a better view
[23:53] <joshua_> i cant wait for the new release to come out
[23:53] <jimpop> Martyn, my favs are ipv6.disable=1 apparmor=0 bluetooth=disable
[23:54] <joshua_> What is Grub 2
[23:54] <Martyn> the new bootloader
[23:54] <Martyn> !grub2
[23:54] <jimpop> Grub had 1 config file... Grub 2 has too many ;-)
[23:55] <joshua_> "New" Bootloader, Whats wrong with the "old" bootloader
[23:55] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Yea, one configfile with parts that were comments, but not really comments
[23:55] <jimpop> joshua_ new for the sake of newness
[23:56] <Jordan_U> joshua_: jimpop grub legacy is no longer supported by the grub developers
[23:56] <rob0> Technically nothing is "wrong" even with LILO. GRUB has some added capabilities, but any Linux boot loader will load a Linux kernel.
[23:56] <jimpop> Jordan_U, that's because it worked so well
[23:56] <drop_tables> New grub is modular! Remind me why it needs to be modular?
[23:56] <Jordan_U> jimpop: No, it's because they refuse to support it. They support grub2
[23:57] <rob0> Just because you upgrade your distro does not mean you have to "upgrade" your boot loader.
[23:57] <Jordan_U> drop_tables: So that you can have a recovery shell in case of problems with your /boot partition
[23:58] <drop_tables> Hope I won't need that, but cool feature
[23:59] <jimpop> i though the livecd was for problems with /boot
[23:59] <shiflado> has anyone installed LDAP in ubuntu?


[00:48] <CIA-2> partman-base: TheMuso * r114 ubuntu/ (67 files in 8 dirs): merge from Debian 128
[00:49] <TheMuso> haha
[00:53] <CIA-2> partman-base: TheMuso * r115 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 128ubuntu1
[00:53] <cjwatson> erk
[00:53] <cjwatson> TheMuso: it would have been better to wait for parted
[00:53] <cjwatson> oh well, I suppose we'll just reupload
[00:54] <cjwatson> TheMuso: but do try to work in build-dep order if you can near the start
[00:56] <TheMuso> cjwatson: ok.
[00:56] <TheMuso> I haven't actually uploaded it yet.
[00:56] <TheMuso> So I can wait.
[05:47] <CIA-2> ubiquity: superm1 * r2943 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/mythbuntu/apply-type): drop old mythbuntu update-rc.d hacks
[12:15] <CIA-2> cdrom-checker: cjwatson * r246 ubuntu/debian/ (22 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 1.15
[12:15] <CIA-2> main-menu: cjwatson * r131 ubuntu/debian/ (20 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 1.28
[12:15] <CIA-2> cdrom-checker: cjwatson * r247 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.15ubuntu1
[12:29] <CIA-2> clock-setup: cjwatson * r200 clock-setup/debian/ (23 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 0.97
[12:36] <CIA-2> clock-setup: cjwatson * r201 clock-setup/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.97ubuntu1
[12:53] <CIA-2> lowmem: cjwatson * r77 ubuntu/ (README debian-installer-startup.d/S15lowmem debian/changelog): merge from Debian 1.30
[12:55] <CIA-2> lowmem: cjwatson * r78 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[12:56] <CIA-2> lowmem: cjwatson * r79 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.30ubuntu1
[16:48] <CIA-2> anna: cjwatson * r413 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[16:50] <CIA-2> apt-setup: cjwatson * r149 apt-setup/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[17:44] <CIA-3> partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r571 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
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[17:45] <CIA-3> partman-crypto: cjwatson * r667 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[17:46] <CIA-3> partman-ext2r0: cjwatson * r789 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[17:47] <CIA-3> partman-ext3: cjwatson * r744 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[17:48] <CIA-3> partman-jfs: cjwatson * r728 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[17:48] <CIA-3> partman-partitioning: cjwatson * r689 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[17:49] <CIA-3> partman-reiserfs: cjwatson * r809 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[17:49] <CIA-3> partman-target: cjwatson * r736 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[17:49] <CIA-3> partman-xfs: cjwatson * r762 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[17:50] <CIA-3> pkgsel: cjwatson * r127 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[17:51] <CIA-3> tasksel: cjwatson * r1385 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[17:52] <CIA-3> user-setup: cjwatson * r127 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[17:53] <CIA-3> yaboot-installer: cjwatson * r263 ubuntu/debian/control: use XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn rather than XS-Original-Vcs-Svn
[19:00] <kirkland> cjwatson: evand: TheMuso: 4 patches attached to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/290885, looking for some reviewing/uploadage
[19:03] <evand> ok
[21:50] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r2944 ubiquity/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[21:51] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * Notify the user of what operating systems will be deleted if they choose
[21:51] <CIA-3> ubiquity:  to use the entire disk.
[21:51] <CIA-3> ubiquity: * Move finding the release name into its own function now that multiple
[21:51] <CIA-3> ubiquity:  locations need to know it.
[22:33] <evand> ^ Not sure if that's the right UI or if there should be only one location for the warning, at the bottom of the automatic partitioning screen