[05:42] <davecheney> hello
[05:42] <davecheney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1038296/comments/5
[05:42] <davecheney> ^ tricky one to chase down
[05:57] <fwereade_> davecheney, heyhey
[05:58] <fwereade_> davecheney, ahh, well caught
[05:59] <davecheney> fixing it might be harder
[05:59] <davecheney> i've just proposed a small patch that adds the changes to the test to get that debugging
[06:00] <davecheney> this will have to be fixed sharpish, because while it happens infreqently in dummy
[06:00] <davecheney> the race will happen almost 100% of the time on ec2
[06:03] <mramm> ouch!
[06:04] <davecheney> actually I shold test that before throwing off wild assertions
[06:04] <TheMue> morning
[06:04] <davecheney> fscking launchpad, why can't I add a bug from the milestone screen !!
[06:06] <TheMue> davecheney: *lol* e'body loves this tool
[06:06] <davecheney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1042066
[06:06] <davecheney> ^ thoughts
[06:11] <TheMue> davecheney: sounds reasonable. but i would like it configurable
[06:11] <TheMue> davecheney: one mode workes like today, to test functionality
[06:12] <TheMue> davecheney: and the other one more randomly to behave like in the wild
[06:12] <davecheney> TheMue: sure, we can do that
[06:15] <davecheney> shit, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1038296/comments/6
[06:15] <davecheney> turns out, our recovery logic works, but this isn't awesome
[06:44] <mramm> Well, it's almost 3am here, so I'm going to crash for a bit, see you all in the morning
[06:46] <TheMue> cu, and have a good night
[08:12] <davecheney> right - that is enough bugs logged for tonight
[08:12] <davecheney> gotta get some sleep so I can fix 'em tomorrowq
[08:13] <TheMue> davecheney: enjoy your evening
[12:44] <niemeyer> Hello all
[12:58] <TheMue> niemeyer: hiya
[13:01] <niemeyer> TheMue: Yo
[13:08] <niemeyer> fwereade_: ping
[13:08] <fwereade_> niemeyer, pong
[13:08] <niemeyer> fwereade_: Yo
[13:09] <fwereade_> niemeyer, sorry I missed you on friday
[13:09] <niemeyer> fwereade_: Oh, n[p
[13:29] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Heya
[13:29] <rogpeppe> yo!
[13:29] <rogpeppe> public holiday today BTW, i'm not here :-)
[13:29] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Just reviewed the test refactoring branch.. nice stuff!
[13:30] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Ah, cool :-)
[13:30] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: cool, thanks
[13:31] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: did you think of a neater way to do what i was trying to do with gocheck?
[13:31] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: i think the reassurance it gives is very useful - it's so easy to break things in subtle ways.
[13:32] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Agreed re. reassurance, and no I haven't looked yet
[13:33] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: np
[13:46] <niemeyer> fwereade_: Is it a holiday for you as well?
[13:46] <niemeyer> mramm: Morning
[13:56] <mramm> niemeyer: Morning
[14:28] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: am spending the afternoon putting all our wedding photos online, and wondering about using juju to host it, for the crack - do you know of any decent open source photo website s/w?
[14:30] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Neat!
[14:30] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: I used to use Gallery for that
[14:31] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: http://gallery.menalto.com/
[14:32] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: cheers! not entirely sure whether using juju is a good idea, as no storage management yet... we'll see.
[14:32] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: It's somewhat easy to workaround that
[14:33] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: It's actually neat as it forces you to think through, rather than just forgetting the data in a machine somewhere
[14:33] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: what i don't want to do is spend hours uploading GB of photos and then lose 'em...
[14:33] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Right
[14:37] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: FWIW, we use EBS for the disk on all instances, so this shouldn't happen in generla
[14:37] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Then, I'd suggest using S3 as a back-and-forth media for quick re-deployments
[14:38] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: ah, makes sense.
[14:38] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: so have a big tar file in S3 and suck that down when starting a new unit.
[14:38] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Yeah
[14:39] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: and via config you can easily send it back
[14:39] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: interesting. how would that work?
[14:39] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: set a config attr saying "please archive now" ?
[14:39] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Once we have the Go port nailed down, the stop hook should work too
[14:40] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: yeah, *that* would be good.
[14:40] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Yeah, you can use a named config value
[14:40] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Whenever it changes, save it again
[14:41] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: a bit of a hack, but yeah, that'd work ok.
[14:42] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Doesn't feel like a hack to me.. it's a straightforward convention with named backups
[14:44] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: ah, if you don't overwrite backups, yeah.
[15:27] <niemeyer> TheMue: go-mstate-life-file reviewed
[15:46] <niemeyer> TheMue: ping
[15:57] <TheMue> niemeyer: seen it, cheers
[16:00] <TheMue> niemeyer: just tested google two step authentication and got troubles with all those apps who need an individual pw
[16:05]  * TheMue has an LGTM overflow ;)
[16:22] <niemeyer> TheMue: Good stuff indeed
[16:22] <TheMue> niemeyer: thx
[16:22] <TheMue> niemeyer: and mstate is real fun
[16:23] <niemeyer> I'm mostly out of things to review, which would be a feat were not for the fact that the pending one is a massive 1k+ branch
[16:23] <niemeyer> I'll head to lunch now, though
[16:23] <niemeyer> TheMue: Glad to hear it
[16:23] <TheMue> niemeyer: enjoy your lunch, i'll go to archery now ;)
[17:26] <niemeyer> fwereade_: it-lives has final review!
[17:26] <niemeyer> a final
[18:28] <niemeyer> Back in ~30mins
[18:49] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: i wonder if you could do me a favour and check that the goamz live tests work ok for you. i get SignatureDoesNotMatch errors and i'm not sure if it because i've just mucked up my aws account or because there's actually something wrong.
[18:50] <rogpeppe> fwereade_: hmm, you're probably done for the day, of course!
[19:38] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: ping
[19:58] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Hi
[19:59] <niemeyer> Doc appointment took a bit longer than expected
[21:08]  * niemeyer feels sorry for mramm
[21:23] <fwereade_> niemeyer, tyvm for reviews :)
[21:23] <niemeyer> fwereade_: My pleasure
[21:24] <fwereade_> niemeyer, the ErrDying thing has caused rogpeppe's dislike for ErrorContextf to click, though, by ErrorContextf-ing the modes I can't (easily) actually return ErrDying, and *that* was what I was having a problem with
[21:25] <fwereade_> niemeyer, I'll figure something out, though :)
[21:25] <fwereade_> niemeyer, `x.tomb.Kill(nil); x.tomb.Kill(ErrDying)` still gives Error() of nil, right?
[21:25] <niemeyer> fwereade_: Aha, that makes more sense, thanks
[21:26] <niemeyer> fwereade_: Yeah
[21:27] <fwereade_> niemeyer, ok, I'll come up with something clean, but maybe tomorrow
[21:27] <niemeyer> fwereade_: Of course, thanks a lot
[21:27] <fwereade_> niemeyer, cheers, gn
[21:27] <fwereade_> davecheney, gm and gn :)
[21:27] <niemeyer> fwereade_: Have a good night
[21:31] <fwereade_> niemeyer, oh, just one question on the other review -- part of me wants to say that rather than "dropping good information on the floor" I should maybe actually explicitly require nil when setting charm state to Deployed
[21:31] <niemeyer> fwereade_: What's wrong with preserving the URL?
[21:31] <fwereade_> niemeyer, it's not so much that the information is *bad* but it is a not a canonical source of truth
[21:31] <niemeyer> fwereade_: There is an actual URL, right?
[21:32] <niemeyer> fwereade_: Sure, but it still feels like we know what we've last put there
[21:32] <niemeyer> fwereade_: THat's what the info tells
[21:32] <fwereade_> niemeyer, there's deployedURL, which is definitely correct, and then there's this; if we have and trust this, then we don;t need the one inside the charm dir, do we?
[21:32] <niemeyer> fwereade_: While this isn't a big deal, I don't see a reason to not have it either
[21:33] <niemeyer> fwereade_: Makes sense, or am I missing something?
[21:33] <fwereade_> niemeyer, either this, or the .juju-charm file, seems to be redundant
[21:33] <fwereade_> niemeyer, I would be comfortable with either as the single source of truth
[21:33] <fwereade_> niemeyer, having both just makes me nervous ;)
[21:34] <niemeyer> fwereade_: It's not about having a single source of truth in this case.. they have different meanings
[21:34] <niemeyer> fwereade_: We're not trusting on both
[21:34] <fwereade_> niemeyer, hmm, true
[21:34] <niemeyer> fwereade_: We know they mean different things and may be different
[21:34] <niemeyer> fwereade_: and we know why
[21:34] <niemeyer> fwereade_: We're also not even exposing that info ATM
[21:34] <niemeyer> fwereade_: I'm suggesting that mainly because it enables us to change our minds
[21:35] <fwereade_> niemeyer, ha, yeah, fair enough :)
[21:35] <fwereade_> niemeyer, ok, sgtm
[21:35] <fwereade_> niemeyer, cheers
[21:35] <niemeyer> fwereade_: Cheers
[21:36] <fwereade_> niemeyer, oh, and JujuConnSuite.Reset is so that I can write the uniter tests as a table, in which each starts from pristine state -- am I missing some obvious better way to do that?
[21:36] <niemeyer> fwereade_: Hmm, interesting
[21:37] <niemeyer> fwereade_: I guess it sounds reasonable..
[21:38] <fwereade_> niemeyer, it's wanting to do stuff like this that underlies my half-belief that Fixture is a useful concept that usefully encompasses Suite and Test... but sadly *doesn't* handle both Suiteness and Testness at the same time, so the idea clearly needs more thought
[21:41] <fwereade_> niemeyer, oh, and I'm not sure I explicitly thanked you: I forget which review it was where you suggested replacing table comments with summary fields and embracing zero values, but it really made table-driven testing click -- ie it now seems *better*, not just different, IYSWIM
[21:41] <niemeyer> fwereade_: That's awesome!
[21:42] <fwereade_> niemeyer, it's one of those things that now seems ridiculously obvious, it takes a bit of effort to remember the previous perspective :)
[21:43] <niemeyer> fwereade_: Yeah, I totally know what you mean.. quite a few things take a while to click
[21:45]  * fwereade_ threatens himself with a hammer, and reluctantly slinks off to bed; nn all :)
[21:48] <niemeyer> fwereade_: Have a good night man :)


[01:50] <anakron> hi
[01:50] <anakron> i have one question
[01:50] <anakron> if a bug is related to a bad translated word into a po file, can i change that file and then make a patch for this program?
[01:54] <anakron> ¿?
[01:58] <PrivateVoid> hello
[01:58] <PrivateVoid> anakron, I think that is how it works... but I am far from an expert
[01:58] <theseinfeld> yes. did you submit the bug?
[01:58] <theseinfeld> if you did, you can add the patch there
[01:59] <theseinfeld> the maintainer should see it, push it upstream, etc...
[01:59] <anakron> i want to make a patch for it
[01:59] <anakron> i know how to
[01:59] <theseinfeld> do you want people to know about the patch?
[01:59] <theseinfeld> or you want to make it for yourself?
[01:59] <anakron> but i dont know if i can change that bad translation into the po file?
[02:00] <anakron> or it must be by a translation team
[02:00] <anakron> i think that i can
[02:03] <anakron> but i dont know if this must be done by me or Translation team member+
[02:26] <hggdh> anakron, you can change it, and propose it in  a patch
[02:27] <anakron> ok thanks a lot
[02:27] <anakron> mmm
[02:27] <anakron> but i have a question
[02:28] <anakron> someone know a right translation of "Cheese Webcam Booth" to german??
[07:56] <Taz> .
[08:00] <maco> well that was lengthy
[09:25] <ajmorris> hello all, i have a question with pbuilder...
[09:25] <ajmorris> when trying to run a pbuilder build, i get this error:
[09:25] <ajmorris> hostname: Host name lookup failure
[09:29] <ajmorris> i get that error if i run pbuilder from /var/cache/pbuilder if i run it from the directory where i want to build the package from, i get:
[09:29] <ajmorris> hostname: Unknown host
[09:29] <ajmorris> been trying to fix it, but been unsuccessfull, anyone here have any insight?
[09:36] <maco> ajmorris: er, don't you have a pbuilder script that you created when you set it up? i have a ~/pbuilder-hardy and i use "./pbuilder-hardy build src/blablah.dsc"
[17:08] <krychek> what can be done about these feisty/gaim crash reports: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gaim ?
[17:59] <mrooney> krychek: hmm yes that looks like a good area to clean up
[18:00] <krychek> mrooney: will you do it? :)
[18:00] <mrooney> haha I don't think I could handle that many bugs
[18:00] <krychek> what should be the standard reply here?
[18:01] <mrooney> basically for all the ones without recent activity, you would want to ask if they still experience it and if so can they try with the most recent pidgin (via backports or perhaps an intrepid livecd)
[18:01] <mrooney> and mark the status incomplete
[18:01] <krychek> Feisty/gaim are not supported anymore. Please reopen if this is still an issue with pidgin in a later version of Ubuntu. ?
[18:02] <krychek> why not directly to invalid?
[18:02] <mrooney> Oh yes I forgot Feisty isn't supported
[18:03] <mrooney> so if they are bugs from Feisty then sure that seem reasonable, though maybe a little friendlier :)
[18:03] <krychek> :)
[18:04] <krychek> could you check this: bug 20812
[18:04] <mrooney> I was going to say you could recommend enabling backports if they still want to use Feisty to get a newer version but, there doesn't appear to be one for Feisty?
[18:05] <krychek> i think this is the most least recently commented
[18:05] <mrooney> sure I can triage that one better
[18:05] <mrooney> but that isn't gaim, how did you find that one
[18:06] <krychek> that is the most "least recently changes" bug as i mentioned
[18:06] <krychek> changed
[18:07] <mrooney> Oh I see!
[18:08] <mrooney> Okay I just asked if it was still an issue and marked it as Incomplete
[18:09] <mrooney> that way it will automatically expire if no one cares about it
[18:09] <krychek> but that doesnt mean itll get set to invalid
[18:10] <krychek> i dont think that was an issue anyway..
[18:10] <krychek> it was rather a suggestion
[18:13] <mrooney> krychek: I thought that was exactly what happened, after the period of time they are Invalidated. Although because that synaptic bug has an assignee, it may not.
[18:14] <krychek> i dont think they will be invalid
[18:15] <krychek> itll just say "this bug has expired 241 days ago"
[18:18] <krychek> This bug report was marked for expiration 40 days ago.
[20:05] <jsmidt> How do I change the importance of a feature request to wishlist?  Launchpad seems to indicate I don't have permissions.  Is there something I need to do to get permissions?
[20:06] <jsmidt> I am trying to learn this 5 a day stuff out.
[20:07] <mrooney> jsmidt: BugControl has the permissions to do so, if you point it out I can do so
[20:07] <mrooney> jsmidt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[20:08] <mrooney> You may also want to apply yourself if you have been doing bug stuff for a bit!
[20:11] <jsmidt> mrooney, this is the bug: 303757.  So, after spending some time doing 5 a day stuff I could join the team?
[20:11] <mrooney> jsmidt: yeah, are you in BugSquad now?
[20:11] <mrooney> bug 303757
[20:11] <jsmidt> Yes
[20:12] <jsmidt> But an just beginning to try the 5 a day thing.
[20:13] <mrooney> jsmidt: yes, that sounds good. Once you feel you have a good handle on triaging you can apply to BugControl and you can do a few more things like set importance and change status to triaged and wontfix
[20:13] <jsmidt> mrooney, okay, sounds great.
[20:14] <RAOF> jsmidt: You know what would be _really_ useful on that bug report?  Bouncing it upstream to the Gnome bugzilla.
[20:14] <mrooney> jsmidt: also you aren't supposed to confirm your own bug reports :)
[20:14] <mrooney> that doesn't really do anything
[20:14] <jsmidt> RAOF, good idea.
[20:15] <jsmidt> mrooney, yeah, makes since, I won't do that any more. :)
[20:15] <RAOF> Obviously, search for existing feature requests first.
[20:15] <mrooney> hm Launchpad is acting up a little, or something today
[20:31] <krychek> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.         :)
[20:31] <krychek> too many ppl triaging at the moment?
[20:32] <krychek> New (40%) wow :)
[20:40] <krychek> why do ppl set their own bugs to confirmed?
[20:41] <krychek> i dont think the confirmed status makes any sense anyway
[20:42] <krychek> if a bug has 5 duplicates that means its confirmed
[20:43] <RAOF> Not necessarily, but it's a data point.
[20:45] <krychek> do you think confirmed or new bugs get more attention?
[20:46] <raboof> i'd hope the former :)
[20:51] <krychek> im not sure about that.. since anyone can set it to confirmed
[20:52] <krychek> and triagers look at "new" bugs first, dont they?
[20:52] <jjesse> krychek: some bug triagers look at specific packages
[20:54] <krychek> ye, sure, but they dont care about if its new or confirmed.. ?
[20:55] <jjesse> krychek: it depends i think some maintain packages while others look at all bugs
[20:56] <raboof> if i was looking for something to fix i'd probably look at confirmed bugs first - assuming i'd be confident there are enough triagers around to look at and confirm/reject 'new' ones
[20:56] <krychek> nobody should be allowed to set their own bugs to confirmed anyway
[20:57] <jjesse> correct
[20:57] <raboof> agreed (unless it's someone intimite to the package)
[20:58] <krychek> maybe only priviliged users should be allowed to set them to confirmed?
[20:59] <raboof> do we have a concept of 'priviliged users'?
[20:59] <greg-g> yes
[20:59] <krychek> same ppl who can change the status
[20:59] <krychek> importance
[20:59] <krychek> i mean
[21:00] <krychek> same ppl who can change the importance.
[21:02] <raboof> perhaps this is kept open to make it as easy as possible for a new triager to get started?
[21:21] <hggdh> raboof, indeed. A beginner triager can do most
[21:22] <hggdh> krychek, anyone can set a bug confirmed. Only bug-control can set it traiged
[21:22] <hggdh> mrooney, I will not be able to be at UDS as I wanted -- I am stuck in Toronto for 4 weeks
[21:23] <mrooney> hggdh: oh how sad, alas!
[21:23] <mrooney> hggdh: doing anything fun in Toronto at least?
[21:24] <hggdh> yes, looking at sleet/snow/rain, all at the same time
[21:24] <hggdh> here just a normal contract -- being available for a potential crisis during the black friday sell period
[21:58] <xteejx> Hi guys
[21:59] <xteejx> The needs-packaging bug reports: Once they have been confirmed as not in ubuntu or debian, do we nominate them for release for jaunty?
[22:18] <xteejx> anyone?
[22:23] <xteejx> Also, everyone keep an eye on the amount of bugs, I'm clearing loads of old crap out that hasn't been touched since April - don't worry I'm going by the Procedures :) But these needs-packaging I'm checking them against Ubuntu and Debian package search and confirming them if they're not there per the guidelines, but do they need nominating for release or is that down to the reporter to do that, as
[22:23] <xteejx> I haven't seen anything on the Wiki about it.
[22:30] <krychek> xteejx: todays drop in the number of bugs wasnt only your work ;)
[22:32] <krychek> i dont touch needs-packaging bugs
[22:32] <krychek> i dont know if theyre official or just somebody wants to get his program packaged
[22:38] <nhandler> xteejx: You do not need to nominate them. They will get added to the repositories once someone chooses to package it and go through the REVU process
[22:40] <xteejx> nhandler: Ok one less thing to worry about. Thanks :)
[22:41] <xteejx> I don't normally touch needs-packaging either but I'm working on the New bugs in reverse order, as there's a hell of a lot of bugs over 6 months old
[22:41] <xteejx> Can't be good for the stats, and most are for older versions, yes I know they're still supported but a majority are kernel related
[22:41] <nhandler> You're welcome xteejx. One thing you can do (although it isn't a big deal) is check to see if the package has been uploaded to REVU or mentors.debian.net. If it has, you can add a link to the package on LP. But like I said, only do this if you really have nothing better to do with your time
[22:42] <xteejx> nhandler: I haven't lol
[22:42] <xteejx> :)
[22:42] <nhandler> :)
[22:42] <krychek> what do you with really old wishlist bugs?
[22:43] <xteejx> Can't work cuz of a disability so a lot of my time is bug hunting - usually crap on TV during the day anyway
[22:43] <nhandler> krychek: It depends on the bug
[22:43] <nhandler> krychek: Is the bug still valid?
[22:43] <krychek> im just asking generally.. since there are a lot of them
[22:44] <nhandler> krychek: If the bug is still valid, just leave it alone.
[22:44] <xteejx> old wishlist ones i check against ubuntu and debian package search facilites and see if any are already available, ie have been packaged since the original bug report. If so, invalidate them and explain why. if not, confirm them
[22:44] <nhandler> xteejx: I would mark them Fix Released, but it isn't a big deal
[22:45] <xteejx> i only found 1 anyway but i'll remember for the next one i come across :) didn't think about fix released to be honest
[22:45] <krychek> i wont care about them then..
[22:45] <xteejx> it's kool krychek i'm going through them all anyway, i'm setting that as my main task, clearing old crap out :)
[22:45] <krychek> what about old fix commited ones?
[22:46] <krychek> xteejx: im doing bugs in least recently changed order :)
[22:46] <xteejx> check with the package maintainer if these have been committed to PPA first see if they're activaly working on them
[22:46] <nhandler> krychek: Same as wishlist. If they have been released (in the repos), change them to Fix Released. Otherwise, if they are still just in VCS, leave them as Fix Committed
[22:46] <xteejx> krychek: lol probably see some disappear then
[22:47] <nhandler> xteejx: Fix Committed should be for a VCS, not really a PPA
[22:47] <xteejx> I see. So what about the ones that people have uploaded to their PPA, should we leave as Incomplete and link it?
[22:47] <nhandler> xteejx: Do you have an example of one?
[22:48] <nhandler> For most types of bugs, a PPA is really pointless
[22:48] <xteejx> Not off hand no I havent come across one yet
[22:48] <xteejx> Just hypothetically :)
[22:48] <nhandler> Usually, if they have it in a PPA, it is already Confirmed, so I would just leave it that way
[22:48] <xteejx> OK cool.
[22:49] <nhandler> If the bug hasn't been confirmed, they really shouldn't have bothered fixing it ;)
[22:49] <xteejx> True I suppose lol :)
[22:49] <xteejx> By the way I've got rid of about 100 or so in 3 hours - 100 less New status bugs :)
[22:50] <krychek> could you check on my own bug: i dont think pedro was fair: bug 294264        just check the screenshot
[22:50] <krychek> he wants exact steps
[22:50] <krychek> but the bug only occurs in every 10th or so bootups
[22:51] <xteejx> any chance of a dmesg log?
[22:51] <xteejx> forgot that
[22:51] <xteejx> *forget
[22:52] <krychek> there is a second screenshot with my other bug, but i didnt want to report it
[22:52] <nhandler> krychek: The bug is incomplete until someone else can confirm it on their machine.
[22:52] <xteejx> Has the user rebooted after this and it still appears? It could eb that workspace-switcher is not saving the setting until user logout
[22:52] <krychek> happens very rarely
[22:52] <xteejx> very strange bug
[22:53] <krychek> nhandler: the bug should be new until someone else confirms it :)
[22:53] <krychek> xteejx: im the user
[22:53] <xteejx> or incomplete if more info is needed
[22:53] <xteejx> ohhhhh right sorry krycheck didnt realise :)
[22:53] <xteejx> *krychek
[22:53] <nhandler> krychek: The bug does not have the appropriate information for someone to confirm it
[22:53] <krychek> you but i cant give exact steps..
[22:54] <nhandler> krychek: Which is why it is incomplete ;)
[22:54] <krychek> you=ye
[22:54] <xteejx> krychek: Are you able to grab a backtrace of some sort when it happens next time?
[22:54] <krychek> but how am i supposed to give exact steps? turn on the comp and sometimes its happening
[22:54] <nhandler> krychek: If there aren't exact steps, a developer will not be able to reproduce it. If they can't reproduce it, they won't fix it
[22:55] <krychek> i understand that..
[22:56] <xteejx> krycheck: Your best option is to try and somehow get a backtrace just after the problem occurs, if possible. This will definately help devs to sort it out. :)
[22:56] <krychek> how can i do it?
[22:56] <xteejx> 1 sec
[22:56] <xteejx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[22:57] <krychek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace ? ill read this tomorrow
[22:57] <xteejx> Pretty much everything you need to provide the required info will be on that wiki page. In your case try GNOME applets
[22:58] <krychek> ok thx
[22:58] <xteejx> no probs :)
[22:58] <krychek> could you check the second screenshot on the same bug?
[22:58] <krychek> i mean its another bug
[22:59] <krychek> have you seen it before?
[22:59] <krychek> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19889385/systemmonitor.png
[23:00] <xteejx> I have seen it, the 4 thin lines where the workspaces should be....but I haven't come across it before no.
[23:00] <krychek> no, not the workspaces
[23:00] <krychek> the system monitor
[23:00] <krychek> check the first screenshot :)
[23:01] <krychek> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19394998/workspacebug.png
[23:05] <krychek> ok im going to bed now
[23:05] <krychek> bye


[07:39] <alkisg> !ltspfsd
[07:39] <alkisg> !info ltspfsd
[07:39] <alkisg> !info ltspfsd-core
[07:39] <alkisg> Hmmm
[14:27] <alkisg> I've debianized ~30 greek educational apps, and I'd like to put them in a DVD similar to the edubuntu add-on CD, so that when the users inserted the DVD, update-manager would be automatically invoked to install packages. How would I do that?
[14:42] <dgroos> Good Morning!
[14:44] <dgroos> Schools starting soon and server's ailing--I can't authenticate into Synaptic.
[14:45] <dgroos> When I try to launch Synaptic via the menu it won't let me authenticate, but when I sudo synaptic it works fine.
[14:46] <dgroos> I'm also having lots of problems getting FreeNX and iTALC working.  I wonder if the issue is connected?
[14:48] <dgroos> Also, can't get firefox to launch as localapp with ltsp-localapps firefox, anymore.  it was working...
[14:49] <dgroos> ...been googling for almost a week... no luck!
[14:51] <sbalneav> How do you do authentication?
[14:51] <sbalneav> Local password, ldap, etc?
[14:53] <dgroos> sbalneav: I forgot to mention, I've only got this problem with synaptic on a thin client--on the server I can authenticate into synaptic!
[14:54] <dgroos> I use local password, at least I don't use LDAP
[14:56] <dgroos> Although!  I think this problem started when I added a program to start to look into ldap authentication...
[14:58] <dgroos> ... and there were some installation questions it asked me when I was installing it--think I pretty much skipped through the questions...  I bet I messed up :(
[15:06] <dgroos> according to the old logs... It was: auth-client-config, libpam-ldap, and libnss-ldap that I installed.
[15:07] <sbalneav> yep, that would screw uyour config
[15:09] <dgroos> :(
[15:20] <dgroos> hmmm... from a bug report I think I found someone who might be able to help... I'll get back...
[16:05] <alkisg> I have a repository with educational apps, how can I put them in a DVD so that update-manager would be able to read the packages from it?
[16:09] <sbalneav> alkisg: Not sure.  Is it already an actual *repo* or just a collection of .deb's?
[16:09] <alkisg> It's a repo
[16:09] <alkisg> I tried putting the /pool and /dist folders in a CD, but update-manager didn't like it :)
[16:10] <alkisg> And I'm seeing a reference about a /disk folder in the apt-cdrom man page, but I can't find any info about it...
[16:11] <sbalneav> Not sure, then.
[16:11] <sbalneav> I've created web repos before (long ago), but never a cddrom one
[16:13] <alkisg> If you've done that long ago, I bet you haven't seen reprepro... it makes maintaning a repo really really easy
[16:16] <sbalneav> heh, I did it manually using apt and dpkg tools :)
[16:17] <sbalneav> Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it.


[00:00] <charlie-tca> Try the recommendations from Bryce Harrington. He's usually right on.
[00:03] <ermoved> is there something comparable to gnomebaker that doesn't use gnome?  xfburn doesn't do audio cds, unfortunately...
[00:04] <crimsun> ermoved: presuming you want a gui?
[00:04] <ermoved> not absolutely
[00:05] <ermoved> i found mp3cd, i think it is..
[00:05] <ermoved> the command line.. what.. perl script that burns normalized cds?
[00:05] <crimsun> right, there are a number of cli ones
[00:05] <ermoved> yeah
[00:05] <crimsun> yeah, most are perl-based =)
[00:06]  * ermoved ponders learning perl one day
[00:07] <ermoved> i just noticed that gnomebaker is finicky... defaulting to 20minute audio cd?  please!
[00:07] <ermoved> plus it's ugly as sin
[00:07] <ermoved> cli importing an m3u would be easier heh
[00:07] <mikegriffin> never used xubuntu before, more of a fluxbox and vim kinda guy. does xubuntu have the standard bells with regards to network configuration via gui, automagic mounting of removable media etc?
[00:08] <mikegriffin> installing a laptop with 512M of RAM for a non-tech
[00:08] <charlie-tca> yes
[00:08] <ermoved> mikegriffin, oh yes.  very much so.
[00:09] <mikegriffin> what is the network manager called?
[00:09] <mikegriffin> and if that is true, why are you using gnomebaker :P
[00:09] <ermoved> mikegriffin, i'm not using gnomebaker, i'm trying to find an alternative because it sucks
[00:10] <charlie-tca> mikegriffin: network manager
[00:11] <mikegriffin> oh ok it just uses the gnome one it would seem
[00:11] <ermoved> mikegriffin, no
[00:12] <mikegriffin> http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/   functioning just as well in Gnome, KDE, Xfce, etc. across distributions like Fedora Core, Ubuntu, SuSE, Debian, and Gentoo
[00:12] <ermoved> oh
[00:12] <ermoved> wiat
[00:12] <ermoved> wait
[00:12] <ermoved> blah
[00:13] <mikegriffin> dont be sad, they didnt have to reinvent the wheel everywhere
[00:13] <ermoved> yeah
[00:13] <ermoved> was just thinking of my little tray icon thing
[00:13] <ermoved> but its not one of the xfce4-applets
[00:14] <ermoved> the curious thing about xubuntu is that gnome still plays a big part, for instance, the default system monitor is from gnome
[00:15] <ermoved> but it still works better on low-end systems
[00:15] <mikegriffin> have you tried fluxbuntu?
[00:15] <ermoved> like this old one i'm on now.  running with compositor and drop shadows and all that, still runs quicker than ubuntu default
[00:15] <ermoved> no
[00:15] <mikegriffin> im just scared of the ubuntu derivitives not having the same quality
[00:16] <ermoved> well, looking at the fluxbuntu website, that's a valid concern
[00:16] <mikegriffin> proper deps, patching etc were more on my mind
[00:17] <ermoved> but xubuntu and kubutnu are, well, just as good as the ubuntu default, just less reliance upon gnome.
[00:17] <ermoved> oh
[00:17] <ermoved> pff
[00:17] <knome> ermoved, what do you think of the xubuntu site then?
[00:18] <ermoved> i think your concerns about deps, patching, and on are overblown.
[00:18] <ermoved> knome: in that it contains actual useful information, it's better than the fluxbox website ;)
[00:19] <ermoved> err fluxbuntu
[00:19] <mikegriffin> ermoved: i am avoiding technical support, which is why xp is being removed
[00:21] <ermoved> mikegriffin, all your dependencies, patches, and so forth will be taken care of via synaptic and the update-manager, which are identical across ubuntu flavors
[00:22] <ermoved> or, if you chose, you can do it all on the command line via apt-get.  but, even then.  it's the same.  at the core, the system is identical.  the flavors merely differ in applications that come as default, not in structure or foundation.
[00:23] <mikegriffin> that is not true with all derivatives unfortunately
[00:23] <mikegriffin> eg nubuntu  just installs stuff from tgz all over the place
[00:23] <mikegriffin> for some packages that are even in apt, its sad
[00:24] <mikegriffin> still a useful dist :)
[00:24] <knome> nubuntu?
[00:24] <mikegriffin> nUbuntu or Network Ubuntu is a project to take the existing Ubuntu operating system LiveCD and Full Installer and remaster it with tools needed for penetration testing servers and networks.
[00:24] <knome> a-ha.
[00:24] <ermoved> okay
[00:24] <knome> suppose they are installing later versions than they would get from apt?
[00:25] <ermoved> if it's listed on the www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu page, then
[00:25] <ermoved> i'm sorry, i just always assume that people are limiting themselves to x/k/ed/ubuntus.
[00:25] <ermoved> my bad
[00:26] <knome> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/derivatives
[00:27] <ermoved> there you go
[00:27] <ermoved> excellent
[00:27] <knome> that is the at least somehow supported scale
[00:27] <knome> all the other products are on their own
[00:29] <knome> i don't even know if mark shuttleworth wants eg. nubuntu to use that name
[01:01] <paulo39> ups
[01:19] <mikegriffin> thanks guys
[01:47] <happyface> can someone help me install xubuntu using an external usb hard drive?
[01:48] <GreedyB> how would one browse network shares with Xubuntu?  I used to do it with Nautilus.. but... I'm a bit confused
[01:53] <Adola> Is Automatix still avaliable?
[01:53] <p3n1x> GreedyB, install pyneighborhood
[01:53] <p3n1x> thats what i use to mount my smb shares, then thunar kicks in
[02:10] <GreedyB> thanks p3n1x
[02:17] <charlie-tca> Adola: Automatix is not good software. It was discontinued because it messed up too many systems
[02:17] <Adola> Ok
[03:50] <easotokr> hi everyone, some help with latam keyboard please
[03:56] <easotokr> I have a latam keyboard layout but i can`t configure
[03:59] <easotokr> someone can read me???
[05:44] <crazy2be> uh
[05:45] <crazy2be> so i feel like an idiot now
[05:45] <crazy2be> i finnaly got xubuntu to install via the alternite CD
[05:45] <crazy2be> and i forgot the password
[05:45] <crazy2be> and username
[05:46] <crazy2be> although if i just knew the username
[05:46] <crazy2be> i should be able to guess the password
[05:46] <crazy2be> how can i figure out what accounts are on a system via the live CD?
[05:47] <Odd-rationale> crazy2be: the user name would probably the name of /home/<username>
[05:47] <Odd-rationale> crazy2be: i would just boot into recovery mode. then drop to a root shell.
[05:48] <Odd-rationale> you can "ls /home" to find any home directory of any users.
[05:48] <crazy2be> ok
[05:48] <Odd-rationale> then you can "passwd <username>" to change the password...
[05:48] <crazy2be> how do i boot into recovery mode?
[05:48] <Odd-rationale> crazy2be: well, before GRUB loads, press esc
[05:49] <Odd-rationale> then choose recoverymode from the menu.
[05:49] <crazy2be> ah k
[05:49] <crazy2be> 1 sec
[05:53] <crazy2be> ok
[05:53] <crazy2be> that seems to of worked
[05:53] <crazy2be> just let me restart and try to login now
[05:58] <crazy2be> 0o
[05:58] <Odd-rationale> crazy2be: no worky?
[05:58] <crazy2be> this time when i tried to strat it
[05:58] <crazy2be> i got kernel panic
[05:59] <crazy2be> kernel panic - not syncing - attempting to kill init
[05:59] <Odd-rationale> hmm... reboot and try again...
[05:59] <crazy2be> bizzare
[05:59] <Odd-rationale> did you do anything else in the root shell?
[06:00] <crazy2be> i got my 64 MB of ram back that went 'missing'
[06:00] <crazy2be> and apparently it is just about all screwed up
[06:00] <crazy2be> and no i didn't do anything else in the root shell
[06:01] <crazy2be> all i did was reboot...
[06:02] <Odd-rationale> idk...
[06:02] <crazy2be> lol
[06:03] <crazy2be> i don't know either
[06:03] <Odd-rationale> crazy2be: you just did passwd username?
[06:03] <crazy2be> yeah
[06:03] <crazy2be> and rebooted
[06:03] <Odd-rationale> is it still kernel panicing?
[06:04] <crazy2be> not right now, i'm doing a memtest
[06:04] <Odd-rationale> k
[06:05] <crazy2be> sofar, 500,000 ish errors
[06:05] <crazy2be> not even throught the first test yet :/
[06:06] <crazy2be> it's wierd
[06:06] <crazy2be> because the BIOS didn't even notice it
[06:06] <crazy2be> now it does
[06:07] <crazy2be> 800,000 ish errors, still on the first test :/
[06:09] <crazy2be> well, it seems to be loading fine after taking one stick out
[06:09] <crazy2be> wierd
[06:15] <crazy2be> one mroe question
[06:15] <Odd-rationale> sure.
[06:15] <crazy2be> my installed xubuntu allways boots into low grafics mode
[06:15] <crazy2be> but the live cd boots into normal mode just fine?
[06:17] <crazy2be> also
[06:17] <crazy2be> i have a USB wireless adapter
[06:18] <crazy2be> xubuntu couldn't find the drivers for it
[06:18] <crazy2be> is there any way i can install drivers?
[06:19] <crazy2be> (i have drivers for windows)
[06:21] <crazy2be> and i know they are quite different internally
[06:21] <crazy2be> but is there any way to use those drivers on xubuntu?
[06:22] <crazy2be> throught WINE, etc
[06:22] <Odd-rationale> crazy2be: yeah, there is ndiswrapper that might work for installing th windows driver.
[06:22] <crazy2be> now how to install it wihtou internet on that pc
[06:22] <crazy2be> :P
[06:25] <crazy2be> ok
[06:25] <crazy2be> i'll try that
[06:25] <crazy2be> but i have to go to sleep for now :P
[06:25] <crazy2be> thank you for your help!
[06:25] <crazy2be> you are truely amazing!
[06:41] <FLCL> Hello
[12:22] <rgrig> After moving to xubuntu, evince says "service registration failed, failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-***: connection refuses". It doesn't remember position in files and does not remember window position on the screen. It works fine when started as "sudo evince".
[12:23] <rgrig> I'd rather have it work fine without running as root. Any idea on how I might fix it would be greatly appreciated.
[12:25] <filipegatti> help people, this is kind urgent. everytime i log in i don't see nothing. only a blue background. i cant right click, no options appear. and there is nothing to click also. for some luck my irc client has opened because the last time i turned it off it was open
[12:25] <filipegatti> i don't know how to fix this, since i can't do nothing in this condition
[12:26] <TheSheep> filipegatti: try pressing alt+ctrl+backspace and logging in again
[12:26] <filipegatti> already tried that.
[12:26] <filipegatti> this happened when i was trying to turn on my external monitor, it was buggy, sometimes it worked ok, sometimes don't. i think xubuntu doesnt like it :P
[12:27] <filipegatti> if I press the power button I have some options like log out, turn off, hibernate, the default ones. thats all.
[12:27] <TheSheep> filipegatti: does alf+f2 work?
[12:27] <TheSheep> filipegatti: if so, press it and type 'xfce4-panel', then again and 'xfdesktop'
[12:28] <filipegatti> it worked... man, how do you know these things? :P
[12:29] <filipegatti> well, back to the battle of turning on an external monitor
[12:29] <TheSheep> filipegatti: those are the apps that actually display the panel and the desktop
[12:31] <filipegatti> yes TheSheep, I've noticed that. I'm saying that because for me, to know this, you must know a lot. Maybe someday I'll know as much as you do today.
[12:33] <filipegatti> Thank you. I'll continue here
[13:21] <RurouniJones> Howdy all, what would you say is the de facto standard CD-ripping-to-mp3 app that goes well with xfce?
[13:24] <ablomen> RurouniJones, if you already use rhythmbox like i do, let that do it, otherwise i know only grip, and that has been around a long long time so should be stable enough
[13:26] <RurouniJones> Not for me, someone is using Exaile(?) for their MP3s
[13:26] <RurouniJones> But I shall try and switch them to rhythmbox
[13:28]  * TheSheep uses sound juicer
[15:00] <Keroro> Hello?
[15:02] <RNGibberish> Jeeez, all the nicks seem to be registered
[15:04] <RNGibberish> Anyway, I was wondering if someone could help me with partitioning in Xubuntu 8.10?
[15:04] <Odd-rationale> sure. are you just installing?
[15:05] <RNGibberish> I'm attempting to create a partition to allow me to dual boot, I'm on XP right now, but the thing is, in Xubuntu, it only gives the option to use the entire harddisk to install to, and not create a partition from the free space
[15:05] <Odd-rationale> RNGibberish: hmm... did you defrag before trying to resize?
[15:06] <RNGibberish> Yes, although, I did clean out a lot of files afterward, so I may have to go and do it again
[15:06] <RNGibberish> Defraggler takes such a long time to clean up such a small amount of data x___x
[15:06] <Odd-rationale> are you using the livecd? or the alternative cd?
[15:07] <RNGibberish> LiveCD, but I have the alternative CD here too.
[15:07] <Odd-rationale> well, if the installer won't let you partition, you could just use gparted on the live cd and try to partition it with that...
[15:08] <RNGibberish> Is Gparted on the LiveCD?
[15:08] <Odd-rationale> i beleive so.
[15:08] <RNGibberish> Where can it be found?
[15:08] <Odd-rationale> applications --> system --> partition editor, or something like that...
[15:08] <RNGibberish> Ahh, okay
[15:09] <RNGibberish> I'm a newbie to Linux in general, my PC isn't too great, so I have to kind of work my way through slowly
[15:58] <zdog291> hey does any one here know how to fix pci: unknown header file 08
[15:59] <zdog291> i am trying to get xubuntu to recognise my ethernet cade cnet pro200
[16:00] <zdog291> -.-
[16:04] <zdog291> any help with unknown pci header type 08 guys?
[16:51] <crazy2be> help using NDISWrapper?
[16:51] <crazy2be> or is there somewhere else i should go for that?
[16:52] <crazy2be> like, how do i even run it?
[16:53] <sinbox> hi again crazy2be had any luck with that CD yet?
[16:53] <crazy2be> yeah
[16:53] <crazy2be> it was a very bad stick of memeory
[16:54] <crazy2be> that decided to die
[16:54] <crazy2be> but i'm trying to install my wireless driver now
[16:54] <crazy2be> it's a USB model
[16:55] <crazy2be> so someone reccomended NDISWrapper
[16:55] <sinbox> erm
[16:55] <crazy2be> but i can't figure out what i'm supposed to do
[16:55] <sinbox> try and find out more about your USB stick first, there are other ways depending on the chipset that is in it
[16:56] <crazy2be> i don't even know how to change directorys in the bash
[16:56] <crazy2be> ok
[16:56] <sinbox> never had to use NDISwrapper so I'm afraid I can't help you, but there are vast amounts of posts about it in the forums, try and find one that says solved at the beginning of the title
[16:56] <sinbox> k got to run before all the shops are closed me :/
[16:56] <crazy2be> it's a trendnet TEW-424UB
[16:56] <crazy2be> lol
[16:56] <crazy2be> ttyl
[16:57] <sinbox> have you read this?  >>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[16:57] <crazy2be> last minute shopping much? :P
[16:57] <crazy2be> reading...
[16:58] <crazy2be> ah
[16:58] <crazy2be> mine is there
[16:58] <crazy2be> have to use NDIS wrapper
[17:03] <crazy2be> uh
[17:03] <crazy2be> there is no ndiswrappper in the package list
[17:04] <crazy2be> so how would i install the package manually?
[17:04] <christian> em hi, i want to completly erase my windows partition of my computer, i tried with virtualbox and i already installed a version of windows xp, but it doesnt recognize usb drivres?
[17:05] <crazy2be> eh?
[17:05] <christian> and i only find solutions to Ubuntu
[17:05] <crazy2be> what's so hard about removing your windows install?
[17:05] <christian> no no no
[17:05] <crazy2be> and what does virtualbox have to do with it?
[17:06] <christian> i installed virtualbox to virtualize windows
[17:06] <christian> right?
[17:06] <crazy2be> ok...
[17:06] <christian> then i tried it but Vbox doesnt recognize usb drivers
[17:06] <crazy2be> you want it to?
[17:07] <christian> yeah, because i want all my hard disk to xubuntu
[17:07] <crazy2be> ...
[17:07] <christian> and i search in google and all i find are solutions for ubuntu
[17:07] <crazy2be> the virtual hard disk will take up just as much space
[17:08] <crazy2be> as partiations would
[17:08] <christian> no only 5gb
[17:08] <crazy2be> yeah...
[17:08] <christian> and i wont need to restart the computer
[17:08] <crazy2be> yo ucan install xp on a 5GB partition
[17:08] <crazy2be> ok
[17:08] <crazy2be> but it *will* be slower
[17:08] <crazy2be> jsut FYI
[17:09] <crazy2be> (i assupe you know that)
[17:09] <crazy2be> did you check the virtualbox docs?
[17:09] <christian> WIDK (Well I Dont Know)
[17:09] <crazy2be> i know it can recognize USB Drives
[17:10] <christian> em no
[17:10] <crazy2be> eh?
[17:10] <christian> wait a second
[17:12] <crazy2be> USB on Ubuntu/Intrepid: Finally, the Ubuntu guys completely removed these lines. So you have to manually add them again: mkdir -p /dev/bus/usb/.usbfs domount usbfs "" /dev/bus/usb/.usbfs usbfs -obusmode=0700,devmode=0600,listmode=0644 ln -s .usbfs/devices /dev/bus/usb/devices mount --rbind /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb Add these lines to at the end of the start() function of /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh.
[17:12] <crazy2be> Note that the udev permissions for the USB devices are still used. For instance, to access a USB disk you have to be member of the group disk. Execute /bin/ls -l /proc/bus/usb/*/* and check if you have write access to all desired USB devices.
[17:12] <crazy2be> If you want to make all USB devices available for users member of the vboxusers group, apply the proposed change for USB on openSUSE.
[17:13] <crazy2be> there you go ;)
[17:13] <crazy2be> RTFM!!
[17:13] <crazy2be> :P
[17:13] <crazy2be> now, can you help me install a package?
[17:14] <crazy2be> i need the ndis packages
[17:14] <crazy2be> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/TRENDnet_TEW-424UB_(ndiswrapper)?highlight=(ManufacturerModel)|(AND)
[17:14] <crazy2be> (niether of them are on the list)
[17:16] <crazy2be> it's like;y because i need internet to download them
[17:16] <crazy2be> and i don't ave it
[17:16] <crazy2be> because i need it to get my interent working
[17:17] <christian> u looking for ndiswrapper?
[17:17] <crazy2be> yeah
[17:18] <christian> it is ins sinaptyc
[17:18] <crazy2be> no
[17:18] <crazy2be> it's not in th list
[17:19] <crazy2be> because it's supposed to be installed from the interente
[17:19] <crazy2be> but i don't have internet
[17:19] <crazy2be> because i have to install it first
[17:20] <crazy2be> i got the .tar.gz
[17:20] <crazy2be> from the website
[17:20] <crazy2be> and copied it over to that computer via a USB
[17:20] <crazy2be> but i don't know what to do with the files in there
[17:22] <crazy2be> warx teh exez???
[17:31] <sinbox> ouch, try and look if you can find a .deb file rather than the source one crazy2be otherwise you will need to build it, do you have build-essentials on your machine?
[17:31] <sinbox> if not I suggest connecting it to the net with a good old cat5 cable for a while
[17:32] <Nazu> Hello, I kind of need help again >__<
[17:33] <crazy2be> you do?
[17:33] <RNGibberish> Xubuntu is telling me to run chkdsk /f and reboot twice, will this have any effect on the data I currently have stored?
[17:33] <crazy2be> only if it is corrupted
[17:34] <RNGibberish> I don't think it's corrupted, it says something about the cluster size being off, and something about bitmaps
[17:34] <crazy2be> sinbox: i found the packages list
[17:35] <crazy2be> but i can't figure out how to download
[17:35] <RNGibberish> I have an NTFS harddisk, with two partitions, one of them NTFS and the other ext3
[17:35] <crazy2be> ew
[17:35] <crazy2be> NTFS
[17:36] <sinbox> no idea RNGibberish I'm afraid, nice one crazy2be well you are on the internet now, is that on another machine?
[17:36] <RNGibberish> I've only just come across Linux recently, if I could reformat, I would, but I really don't have the ability to
[17:36] <crazy2be> obvioustly
[17:36] <crazy2be> i'm talking to you :P
[17:36] <crazy2be> but on a nother PC
[17:36] <crazy2be> yeah
[17:36] <sinbox> well, the ext3 will be ext3 anyway
[17:36] <RNGibberish> If I could, I would probably reformat both to FAT32
[17:37] <sinbox> well download on the other PC and then use a USB stick to carry the package to the other one crazy2be
[17:37] <sinbox> erm
[17:37] <crazy2be> that's what i'm thinking
[17:37] <sinbox> why fat32?
[17:37] <crazy2be> but i can't find the download
[17:37] <RNGibberish> It's supported equally on Linux and Windows, which I'm attempting to dual boot
[17:37] <crazy2be> i've got
[17:37] <crazy2be> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[17:37] <sinbox> which package is it you need crazy2be (the exact name of the tar.gx you got would help)
[17:38] <crazy2be> but the only d/l link is for the source
[17:38] <crazy2be> uh
[17:38] <crazy2be> it just says
[17:38] <crazy2be> nstall ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils, both version 1.8
[17:39] <crazy2be> uh, nvm
[17:41] <sinbox> can't help sorry
[17:41] <sinbox> has the other machine not got an ethernet socket on it?  if yes use that
[17:43] <crazy2be> i found the d/l links
[17:43] <crazy2be> that's why i said nvm :P
[17:43] <crazy2be> now to go and find the driver CD lol
[17:43] <sinbox> oki good luck and have fun with ./configure make checkinstall   ;-)
[17:44] <sinbox> btw build-essential should be on the CD if you need to install (you can always add the CD in your repository list on the other machine and use that to install stuff you know)
[17:45]  * sinbox is off to the shops
[17:46] <crazy2be> lol
[17:46] <crazy2be> i have n oidea what you just said
[17:46] <crazy2be> and i thought you left for the shops a while ago
[17:46] <crazy2be> :P
[17:46]  * crazy2be is off to breackfast
[17:49] <sinbox> breakfast at 17:46?  wow
[17:51] <crazy2be> heh
[17:51] <crazy2be> not *quite* that late here
[17:51] <crazy2be> but still late
[17:52] <crazy2be> back to breakfast!
[17:56] <azi_> i've installed xubuntu and i'm trying to install aduacious which is not in the synaptic repository, what can i do to get it installeD?
[17:58] <crazy2be> uh
[17:58] <crazy2be> applications>system>add/remove?
[18:06] <crazy2be> lol
[18:06] <crazy2be> back FROM breakfast
[18:06] <crazy2be> now to mess around with this *#@
[18:12] <crazy2be> oh wow
[18:12] <crazy2be> some of the devices actually have official Linux supposrt
[18:12] <crazy2be> and many have source released under the GPL
[18:26] <blndr08> hey all i can't get my menu bar to show up - can someone help me? :)
[18:30] <blndr08> anyone?
[18:30] <crazy2be> nope
[18:30] <crazy2be> nobody
[18:31] <blndr08> lol was that sarcastic?
[18:31] <crazy2be> not possible!
[18:32] <crazy2be> i'm annoyed
[18:32] <blndr08> by what
[18:32] <crazy2be> my system crashed after i had just done something
[18:33] <crazy2be> that i hadn't made permenant
[18:33] <crazy2be> yet
[18:33] <blndr08> that sucks
[18:33] <crazy2be> anywat
[18:33] <blndr08> i know what that's like
[18:33] <crazy2be> what's this problem of urs?
[18:33] <blndr08> my menu bar doesn't show up
[18:34] <blndr08> i had to set it to right click so i could get to my apps and stuff
[18:34] <blndr08> is there a way to get it back?
[18:34] <crazy2be> menu bar at the top, you mean?
[18:34] <blndr08> yeah
[18:35] <crazy2be> maybe a setting in appearance?
[18:36] <blndr08> do you mean like desktop prefs?  haha sorry im a total noob to ubuntu
[18:38] <crazy2be> so am i ;)
[18:38] <crazy2be> uh
[18:38] <crazy2be> no idea
[18:38] <crazy2be> google
[18:39] <crazy2be> GOOGLE
[18:39] <crazy2be> it knows where you live
[18:39] <blndr08> haha
[18:39] <crazy2be> u laugh
[18:39] <blndr08> i'm trying something out i'll let ya know if it works
[18:39] <crazy2be> but it does
[18:39] <blndr08> yeah it does :D
[18:39] <crazy2be> also
[18:39] <crazy2be> magnets are fun
[18:39] <crazy2be> especially with CRT motitors
[18:40] <crazy2be> *cackle*
[18:43] <blndr08> hmm damn it didn't work
[18:43] <blndr08> how do you get to the appearance panel?
[18:45] <crazy2be> uh
[18:46] <crazy2be> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=800112
[18:47] <crazy2be> GOOGLE
[18:48] <crazy2be> :/
[18:48] <crazy2be> my xubuntu crashed again
[18:48] <blndr08> hahahaha that worked thanks
[18:48] <crazy2be> whenever i try to connect to a network
[18:49] <crazy2be> it crashes :/
[18:49] <crazy2be> and your welcome
[19:16] <rngibberish> Okay, it will now allow me to resize the NTFS partition, but it wont complete the resizing, I don't know why
[19:16] <crazy2be> :?
[19:18] <crazy2be> why would uyou have w00t as ur nicK???
[19:18] <rngibberish> Xubuntu, it will allow me to resize the NTFS partition, but when it actually goes to do it, it wont complete
[19:18] <w00t> why would you care?
[19:18] <crazy2be> lol
[19:18] <TheSheep> rngibberish: any messages?
[19:19] <crazy2be> i assum you are using Gpart?
[19:19] <w00t> its a double entendre based on my music pen name, "wonderful loot"
[19:19] <crazy2be> W00t: i'm just buggin you
[19:20] <crazy2be> i want a nick that awesome
[19:20] <rngibberish> TheSheep: ...Goddamnit I forgot, brb, attemping to resize NTFS partition again
[19:21] <w00t> hehe
[19:21] <w00t> merry holidays crazy2be
[19:21] <crazy2be> lol
[19:21] <w00t> it can be a bit of a highlight whore in certain chans
[19:22] <crazy2be> a cross between "merry christmas" and "happy hollidays"?
[19:22] <w00t> LOL
[19:23] <crazy2be> lololololololol?
[19:24] <crazy2be> w00t! i love choclate!
[19:25]  * w00t groans
[19:25] <w00t> :P
[19:25] <crazy2be> heh
[19:25] <crazy2be> how did you get that nicK???
[19:25] <TheSheep> guys, did you know that there is an excellent #xubuntu-offtopic channel? :)
[19:25] <crazy2be> really??
[19:31] <w00t> no need TheSheep, im just lurking
[19:59] <Nazu> Okay, now I have the messages Gpart returned
[19:59] <TheSheep> Nazu: shoot
[20:00] <Nazu> Shrink Filesystem > Real resize > ntfsresize -p --force --force /dev/sda1 -s<PHONE_NUMBER>3
[20:01] <Nazu> Grow file system to fill the partition > real resize > ntfsresize -P --force /dev/sda1
[20:01] <Nazu> That's all Gpart gave me
[20:02] <TheSheep> no error message?
[20:02] <TheSheep> not even in terminal?
[20:02] <crazy2be> press the little arrows
[20:02] <crazy2be> and they expand
[20:02] <Nazu> I did, that's what came up
[20:03] <crazy2be> press them again
[20:03] <RurouniJones> Mwahahaha, managed to get a little old lady up and running with Xubuntu...in a language I don't even speak
[20:03] <crazy2be> ...
[20:03] <crazy2be> why the evil cackle?
[20:03] <Nazu> The arrows I show there are what comes out when I expand them
[20:03] <RurouniJones> Because I am naturalyl inclined towards evil
[20:04] <crazy2be> Nazu: there should be arrows on thoose things
[20:04] <crazy2be> or just try clicking them
[20:04] <Nazu> I did click them :/
[20:04] <crazy2be> to give you the actual console output
[20:07] <Nazu> Blehhh, the thing is, I have to do this over and over again, the LiveCD wont allow me to run two programs at once :X
[20:09] <crazy2be> the gpart live CD?
[20:10] <crazy2be> boot with the VESA driver then
[20:10] <Nazu> Nay, Xubuntu liveCD
[20:10] <crazy2be> it has a window system
[20:10] <crazy2be> what?
[20:10] <crazy2be> Xubuntu only allows one program on live CD??
[20:11] <Nazu> If I open another one, the last one closes
[20:11] <crazy2be> 0o
[20:14] <Nazu> So, what do I do to get the terminal message?
[20:15] <crazy2be> you should just be able to expand it again
[20:15] <crazy2be> like, that thing oy ugave us
[20:16] <Nazu> Hm, I'll have a loo then, brb, putting the liveCD in
[20:39] <ilmob> hi everyone!
[20:40] <crazy2be> HELLOOO!!!!11111
[20:41] <ilmob> I am new to linux and xubuntu :-/ I have a problem I was wondering if someone here would be able to help... I am hopeless. lol I don't know if this is the right place for help chat though. Is this the right place?
[20:42] <TheSheep> !ask | ilmob
[20:48] <ilmob> ok thanks. sorry I'm a total noob. :-/ I have an old laptop without an ethernet port so I cannot connect the computer directly to the internet. I have a wireless PCMCIA card and a wireless network set up. the card is a d-link DWL-650. I have never used linux before in my life so I have no idea how to install the card, change the settings and get it working. :( I tried going through the forums but it's all greek to me. is th
[20:52] <TheSheep> !wifi
[20:52] <TheSheep> ilmob: I don't really have much experience with wifi, but that page should be helpful
[20:56] <ilmob> thanks TheSheep I tried going through this but all the menus are different. For instance I don't have a menu that says System-->Administration-->Networking
[20:56] <ilmob> like they show in the screen caps
[20:56] <ilmob> when I click on the xubuntu link it doesn't have any documentation :(
[20:59] <valtemar> have problems trying to share files between xubuntu 8.04 and win xp using samba. more here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1020569
[21:00] <valtemar> in absolute beginner talk, of course
[21:00] <ilmob> is this for file sharing or getting on the iternet?
[21:00] <valtemar> file sharing
[21:01] <ilmob> oh :( ok
[21:02] <ilmob> sorry I got confused and mildly excited for a sec lol anybody have an answer to the internet question? I'm completely new, linux stupid, I want to learn but the documentation literally makes no sense. if anyone is kind enough to walk me though it it would be greatly appriciated.
[21:04] <valtemar> i just got in. what's your problem?
[21:04] <ilmob> thanks valtemar. I'll repost just a sec
[21:04] <ilmob> ok thanks. sorry I'm a total noob. :-/ I have an old laptop without an ethernet port so I cannot connect the computer directly to the internet. I have a wireless PCMCIA card and a wireless network set up. the card is a d-link DWL-650. I have never used linux before in my life so I have no idea how to install the card, change the settings and get it working. :( I tried going through the forums but it's all greek to me. is th
[21:05] <ilmob> so TheSheep gave me what looks like a great resource but for ubuntu because I don't have any of the menus in the tutorial
[21:05] <crazy2be> yeah
[21:05] <crazy2be> but they are just in Programs>System
[21:05] <crazy2be> usussally
[21:06] <valtemar> you got the link TheSheep gave you?
[21:06] <ilmob> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[21:09] <ilmob> sorry I'm so dumb with this I'm a first timer. getting it ON the laptop was a task and a half. It's on a sony vaio pcg-c1vp lol tiny laptop old as hell but I think once it works it'll be so sweet. excellent for travel and since it's so old if something happens to it, it's not the end of the world lol but getting it set up is insane. I could not go on with windows ME though. heh.
[21:10] <valtemar> you say you have a wireless network set up. you got an adsl wlan modem or what?
[21:11] <ilmob> I have a cable modem
[21:11] <ilmob> and it's set up with a router and all that
[21:14] <valtemar> are you familiar with the documentation in https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/internet/C/wireless.html
[21:16] <ilmob> yeah but I can't get to any of those options because they're all greyed out also I think the dlink card has to be installed somehow similar to when you would connected it to windows and install drivers but I have no idea how to even start
[21:18] <ilmob> I also don't have a 'network manager' icon in my list. I'm in appfinder and in network and I see connections, general, dns, hosts but everything is greyed out and I cannot select anything. tired unlocking entered my password and still nothing all options still greyed  out
[21:21] <ilmob> oh sorry I have it now, the buttons didn't change. I'm having some graphical issues too but I figure I'll fix that after I get the internet up. again sorry I'm so dumb with this
[22:08] <ilmob> hm I seem to be hitting a wall I'm troubleshooting the network connection and I typed in cat /etc/resolv.conf and I just get no such file or directory
[22:09] <TheSheep> ilmob: your dhcp client should create one when it receives answer from your router
[22:11] <ilmob> I have no idea what that means... does that mean in short I have a DNS issue?
[22:11] <TheSheep> ilmob: not necessarily, dns needs working network before it can work
[22:12] <TheSheep> ilmob: so it can be something lower level
[22:12] <TheSheep> ilmob: does iwconfig show your card?
[22:14] <ilmob> I think so. next to wlan0 it shows ieee 802.11b essid linksys which is the card I have
[22:14] <ilmob> oh no wait
[22:15] <ilmob> it isn't i have no idea what linksys is. I have a dlink and an SMC gateway
[22:15] <TheSheep> linksys is probably the name of the network you connected to
[22:15] <TheSheep> does ifconfig show it too
[22:16] <ilmob> weird
[22:16] <TheSheep> does it show it with an ip address?
[22:16] <ilmob> in the settings I connected it to my network which which is named as ilmob for now
[22:17] <ilmob> ok I ran ifconfig where would I see that? I see nothing in the ouput that says linksys :-/
[22:18] <TheSheep> it should say wlan0 somewhere
[22:19] <ilmob> there are 2
[22:19] <ilmob> and I don't see linsys in either
[22:19] <ilmob> linksys*
[22:20] <TheSheep> any of them has an ip address?
[22:21] <ilmob> I have 2
[22:21] <ilmob> under lo and one under 1lan0
[22:21] <ilmob> er wlan0*
[22:21] <TheSheep> what is the one under wlan0?
[22:22] <ilmob> <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:22] <TheSheep> that's an automatic ip address that gets set when no dhcp responses are received
[22:23] <TheSheep> either check your dhcp server (on your router probably) or set static ip
[22:25] <ilmob> ... ok I have no idea how to do that. should I got to my ISP to troubleshoot the DHCP server?
[22:25] <TheSheep> ilmob: I think the device that provides wireless network in your home should have a dhcp server build in
[22:28] <ilmob> ok. well I know that it must be working properly I have the desktop where the internet is working and I also have another windows laptop that I'm working on now without any issue. if the DHCP server had an issue this laptop that I'm using now wouldn't work right?
[22:32] <TheSheep> ilmob: maybe the dhcp server is set up to only answer those two computers?
[22:34] <ilmob> hm ok I'll call the ISP and ask how to look at this DHCP stuff. I don't know how to see it.
[22:34] <ilmob> I'll try that thanks
[22:36] <TheSheep> it may be that you're not receiving a reply because you tried connecting to the wrong network
[22:36] <TheSheep> are you using network manager?
[22:36] <TheSheep> the small icon of two computers next to the clock...
[22:42] <ilmob> I don't have any computers next to the clock
[22:43] <ilmob> I'm just in network settings using
[22:44] <ilmob> how would I do the release and renew thing that you do in windows in linux?
[22:44] <ilmob> you know how like you can release and renew an IP?
[22:47] <ilmob> I tried doing ifconfig eth0 down and I get device not found
[22:49] <TheSheep> it's wlan0
[22:49] <ilmob> when I type dhclient eth0 I get permission denied
[22:49] <ilmob> ohhh
[22:49] <ilmob> oops
[22:49] <ilmob> thanks :)
[22:49] <TheSheep> try running nm-applet
[22:53] <ilmob> ok so when i run dhclient wlan0 I get wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801. running nm-applet now. thanks for all your help again btw
[22:53] <TheSheep> I'm not really too helpful, I'm not good with this
[22:53] <ilmob> better than me lol
[22:54] <ilmob> is it normal for nm-applet to hang there without doing anything for a while?
[22:55] <Maxwell2342> PROBLEM: My computer was working fine for months, then all of the sudden the screen, when set to 1024x768@60 (that is to what I had it set) went all shaky.  The problem ceases if I change the resolution, but then my screen doesn't fit and text is difficult to read.  The screen remains shaky whenever I have the resolution set to 1024x768@60.
[22:56] <Maxwell2342> Any suggestions? :(!?
[22:56] <Maxwell2342> I'm running the latest version of Xubuntu, btw.
[22:56] <TheSheep> Maxwell2342: what's your monitor?
[22:59] <Maxwell2342> DAYTEK something.
[23:02] <TheSheep> Maxwell2342: lcd or crt?
[23:03] <Maxwell2342> LCD.
[23:03] <TheSheep> and the lcd is shaky?
[23:04] <TheSheep> I can't imagine that
[23:04] <Maxwell2342> The screen shakes, yes.
[23:04] <Maxwell2342> Nor can I.
[23:04] <TheSheep> check your cable
[23:04] <Maxwell2342> If I set the resolution to higher/lower, it is fine.
[23:04] <Maxwell2342> It's obviously a Xubuntu problem.
[23:04] <Maxwell2342> It's just on my actual resolution that it fucks up.
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> And it was working fine before.
[23:05] <TheSheep> you can also try auto-adjust
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> (and I didn't do anything weird with the display or anything)
[23:05] <TheSheep> in the monitor
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> How do I do that?
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> Oh.
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> Well, no.
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> Okay, I shall try that.
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> But I'm sure it shan't work.
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> One moment...
[23:06] <Maxwell2342> It didn't.
[23:06] <Maxwell2342> And even when I am in the shaky setting, if I go into the monitor's actual settings, there is no shaking.
[23:07] <Maxwell2342> It's Xubuntu that is shaking, or rather xfce, not the monitor.
[23:07] <TheSheep> no idea what could be causing that
[23:09] <sikun> i have a hp pavilion laptop.. it runs hot just doing simple things, i was just playing a mp3 and it jumped up to 80 C, i've cleaned out the heatsink, i have it elevated off the table for more air flow and it still runs hot...
[23:10] <Maxwell2342> Sikun: have you tried using it outside?
[23:10] <Maxwell2342> Fuck.
[23:10] <TheSheep> sikun: check top and powertop (the latter might need installing first)
[23:10] <TheSheep> !language | Maxwell2342
[23:11] <sikun> i've done that too.. anything that really needs cpu time is what makes the cpu jump in temp.. IE.. like firefox w/ a flash site
[23:11] <TheSheep> that's normal, but it should only do it for a short while
[23:14] <ilmob> hm ok so running nm-applet didn't do anything it just hung there
[23:14] <TheSheep> ilmob: you can click on it and select the network to connect to...
[23:15] <ilmob> click on it from where? in the terminal don't I just type nm-applet?
[23:16] <sikun> TheSheep, what should i be looking for in powertop? i have never used this program before
[23:17] <TheSheep> sikun: it works like top, only shows the list of programs that couse most cpu wakeups (that translate to heat) instead of just cpu usage
[23:17] <TheSheep> cause*
[23:17] <sikun> ah
[23:18] <sikun> firefox is on the top of the list.. along w/ the usb mouse i'm using
[23:18] <ilmob> ok so here is what I did, I went to Xfce4 Appfinder and selected network, then under connections I deselected enable roaming mode to allow me to enter the network name which I was able to find in the dropdown (also worth noting it saus 0% which can't be right because I'm like 5 ft from the router) I entered wpa personal because that's the encryption type, entered the password and under configuration I selected automatic con
[23:19] <TheSheep> ilmob: to use nm-applet you need romaing mode enabled
[23:19] <ilmob> how do i get to nm-applet
[23:19] <ilmob> do i type it in the terminal?
[23:19] <TheSheep> yeah
[23:20] <TheSheep> it should autostart, btw
[23:20] <ilmob> it's not doing anything
[23:20] <ilmob> the terminal just hangs there
[23:21] <ilmob> like will the computer automatically restart or nm-applet will just start?
[23:23] <TheSheep> ilmob: it shows that two-computers icon next to the clock
[23:23] <TheSheep> you can then click on it
[23:23] <TheSheep> and select the icon
[23:23] <TheSheep> select the network
[23:23] <TheSheep> sorry
[23:23] <ilmob> ohhhhhh! ok lol
[23:24] <ilmob> hm weird
[23:24] <ilmob> it won't let me enter a WPA passphrase only WEP is that normal?
[23:25] <TheSheep> no idea
[23:25] <knome> ilmob, do you have wpa_supplicant installed?
[23:26] <ilmob> dunno how do I find out?
[23:26]  * TheSheep goes to sleep
[23:26] <TheSheep> good luck guys
[23:26] <ilmob> thanks for helping TheSheep you got me to a good spot where I understand things better now lol
[23:26] <ilmob> much appriciated
[23:29] <ilmob> knome: how would I find out? I am uber noob
[23:31] <knome> ilmob, 'sudo apt-get install wpa_supplicant' in a terminal
[23:31] <ilmob> ohhhh what if i'm not connected to the internet?
[23:32] <ilmob> hmmm maybe I can get myself connected with WEP for now. thanks I'll try that!
[23:33] <knome> hmm
[23:33] <knome> wpasupplicant
[23:33] <knome> is the correct one
[23:34] <ilmob> hm it says wpasupplicant is already the newest version
[23:38] <knome> ok so you have it installed..
[23:43] <ilmob> ok so I opened up my network without any encryption, used nm-applet to select my network no encryption and roaming is enabled
[23:46] <ilmob> I've been at this for 4 hours :'( help please
[23:49] <knome> !wifi
[23:50] <ilmob> I went through all of that
[23:50] <knome> yes, i was just checking.
[23:50] <ilmob> I didn't get anywhere :'(
[23:50] <knome> what is your wireless card?
[23:50] <ilmob> no worries
[23:51] <ilmob> d-link DWL-650
[23:51] <knome> a pcmcia card?
[23:52] <ilmob> ohh yeah yup
[23:52] <ilmob> I don't have an ethernet port on the laptop
[23:52] <knome> 'lsmod | grep orinoco' what says?
[23:54] <ilmob> do i type that into the terminal?
[23:54] <knome> yes
[23:56] <knome> !ndiswrapper
[23:56] <knome> meh
[23:57] <ilmob> how do I type that in? nothing seems to be happening. do I type it exactly as you have it there with the | character and everything
[23:57] <knome> yes
[23:57] <knome> if it outputs nothing, it's ok as well.
[23:58] <ilmob> says command not found
[23:58] <knome> o.O
[23:58] <ilmob>  do I type in the '
[23:58] <knome> ah nope!
[23:59] <knome> without 's
[23:59] <ilmob> ahhh ok lol what do you need to know I did get an output
[23:59] <knome> ok, sounds like ubuntu has loaded wrong drivers
[23:59] <knome> or i'm not sure
[23:59] <knome> what does 'lspci | grep DWL' say?


[08:15] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, Hi man
[08:15] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, wassp u there ?
[08:27] <YoBoY> good morning
[09:24] <Ronnie> hi TrickyJ, im great
[09:24] <Ronnie> i have since friday a job. can start on monday
[09:26] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, sounds great Ronnie long time no see hu..
[09:26] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, u are holding new job ??
[09:26] <Ronnie> yes, for 4 days a week as a webdeveloper
[09:27] <Ronnie> i didnt even finished my chemistry study yet, so next weeks will be busy
[09:29] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, Sounds great :) Congrats
[09:29] <YoBoY> +1 :)
[09:30] <Ronnie> the disadvantage is that i have less time for loco directory :(
[09:40] <YoBoY> work first, ld don't pay the food ;)
[09:56] <TrickyJ> I can understand man..
[10:22] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, bye man
[13:02] <nigelb> Ronnie: hey
[13:03] <Ronnie> hey nigelb
[13:03] <nigelb> Ronnie: need some help with the flickr-jquery plugin, you got a minute?
[13:03] <Ronnie> i have 2 if you want :P
[13:03] <nigelb> I'm trying to get the title to say "image title by photographer"
[13:03] <nigelb> so, right now we just say the title for the loco directory flickr images
[13:04] <nigelb> "technically" we're supposed to attribute the pictures
[13:04] <nigelb> Ronnie: I'm fairly sure this plugin was written by you ^-^ :)
[13:05] <Ronnie> im looking into the code now. and yes its written by me
[13:06] <nigelb> heh :)
[13:06] <Ronnie> nigelb: have a look at line 40 and 43 of the flickr script
[13:07] <Ronnie> rPhoto is the json returned from flicker (which should contain the attribution)
[13:07] <nigelb> Ronnie: Well, it does, but it has the idgettr.
[13:08] <nigelb> So our option is to use that and query flickr again to get the real name for that id
[13:08] <nigelb> (that's where I'm stuck)
[13:08] <nigelb> The calls are being made alright in my code, but it doesn't work because of when the calls are being made.
[13:08] <Ronnie> hmm, can you already give a diff of what you made?
[13:08] <nigelb> Disclaimer: I write hacky JS :D
[13:10] <nigelb> Ronnie: http://pastebin.ca/2066791
[13:11] <nigelb> oh, you have to get phototitle assigned.  I guess I deleted that line at some point in frustration :p
[13:12] <nigelb> "phototitle = rPhoto.title + ' by ' + realnameof;"
[13:16] <Ronnie> nigelb: do you have firebug?
[13:16] <nigelb> Ronnie: yes, I do. I would never write JS without firebug :)
[13:23] <Ronnie> nigelb: i think you need to add a context to the request: http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.ajax/#jQuery-ajax-settings
[13:23]  * nigelb looks
[13:23] <Ronnie> the context should be the link DOM element
[13:23] <Ronnie> so you cant use the getJSON, but you have to write $.ajax()
[13:24] <nigelb> ah.
[13:26] <Ronnie> i see no other option at the moment
[13:30] <nigelb> ugh, I hate JS :/
[13:31] <Ronnie> nigelb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQVTIJBZook
[13:31] <Ronnie> JavaScript: The Good Parts
[13:31] <nigelb> heh
[13:31] <nigelb> Ronnie: I used to write JS until like 4 months ago.  Totally out of touch now :(
[13:33] <Ronnie> the movie (and other examples of douglas crockford) made me write better javascript, and learned to like it. before i hated js too
[13:34] <nigelb> okay, I'm about to destroy my keyboard in frustration.
[13:34] <nigelb> I'll just postpone this for later.
[13:38] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/05/22/how-natty-cds-are-distributed-in-the-ubuntu-ie-loco/
[13:40] <Ronnie> nigelb: if you need any help, just ping me
[13:43] <nigelb> Ronnie: I'm going through that video
[14:10] <AlanBell> czajkowski: some teams have CDs already??
[14:11] <pleia2> the california cds arrived while I was still at uds
[14:11] <pleia2> on the 12th
[14:11] <AlanBell> I heard nothing
[14:12] <czajkowski> AlanBell: yeah a week after release is now standard
[14:12] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you did request them right?
[14:12] <AlanBell> I had no clue they had gone out
[14:12] <AlanBell> and yes, I did request them
[14:13] <czajkowski> as soon as it's released they go to print
[14:13] <AlanBell> huh
[14:13] <czajkowski> shiped out now in a week
[14:13] <czajkowski> rare it's over 2 tbh
[14:13] <czajkowski> unless there are some issues with counteries which we do get from time to time
[14:13] <AlanBell> yeah, well I don't think that applies
[14:13] <czajkowski> indeed....
[14:13] <AlanBell> Daviey: you haven't got them have you?
[14:17]  * AlanBell is mildly annoyed
[14:17] <czajkowski> pleia2: nice comment
[14:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: wwhy
[14:18] <AlanBell> that the way I found out the CDs had gone out was a post detailing what another team had already done with theirs
[14:19] <AlanBell> tghere was no email to loco contacts or something saying the CDs had been pressed and were being dispatched
[14:19] <AlanBell> would have followed up weeks ago if I had any idea
[14:20] <czajkowski> AlanBell: there never is
[14:20] <czajkowski> there was the mail sent out before saying send in requests
[14:20] <AlanBell> yeah, I was waiting patiently
[14:21] <AlanBell> and I did get the request in
[14:22] <czajkowski> yeah but there is never a mail saying they are p[rinted and going out
[14:23] <czajkowski> i dont want to make work for people behind shippit either
[14:24] <AlanBell> I didn't even see anyone saying "yay our CDs have arrived"
[14:24] <czajkowski> some people don't....
[14:24] <czajkowski> shrugs
[14:40] <AlanBell> gah, so what is the procedure for ordering CDs?
[14:40] <AlanBell> in the /topic there is stuff about sending an email
[14:40] <AlanBell> I didn't do that
[14:40] <AlanBell> https://forms.canonical.com/lococd/
[14:40] <AlanBell> that is what I did
[14:41] <AlanBell> did anyone else here fill out the form and not send the email and get the CDs?
[14:59] <czajkowski> the form was the new way to go as far as i know
[15:17] <AlanBell> just sent a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to find out what is up
[15:18] <czajkowski> okie dokie
[15:19] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingCds needs some love
[15:20] <AlanBell> mentions Maverick and doesn't link to the web form at all
[15:20] <AlanBell> and I have a sneaking suspicion that the teams that got CDs are the ones that failed to notice the updated procedure and web form
[15:25] <czajkowski> AlanBell: the webform as far as I know is the new wya forward and which was why we mailed loco contacts
[15:26] <czajkowski> but talking with canonical folks this week and will follow up on it
[15:26] <czajkowski> the web form was the way we communicated it via the ml and blog
[15:26] <czajkowski> twitter/identit.ca
[15:30] <AlanBell> did ie use the web form or send an email?
[15:31] <czajkowski> let me go and see
[15:32] <czajkowski> I'm not the team contact
[15:32] <AlanBell> yup
[15:33] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingCds is linked in the /topic btw
[15:33] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ok it was the old way and we did tell people the form was the way to go
[15:37] <czajkowski> AlanBell: we did it via the web
[15:37] <LinuxGNDU> hi everyone
[15:38] <czajkowski> LinuxGNDU: Aloha
[15:39] <serfus> i'm actually having problems with the CD's... they want me to pay about 85 $ to get them
[15:39] <LinuxGNDU> I am a student of Guru Nanak Dev University, Amritsar, India. I have started a Linux Group in which my colleagues and myself are trying to spread awareness about LINUX among the students. We help them in all ways possible, from installation of the OS to normal day to day tasks to be performed using LINUX. We at The Linux Group would like you to hold a technical workshop/seminar about UBUNTU and the latest and upcoming te
[15:39] <AlanBell> czajkowski: ok, thanks
[15:39] <czajkowski> serfus: yes this happens to some teams
[15:39] <czajkowski> serfus: are you israel ?
[15:39] <serfus> czajkowski, yup
[15:40] <czajkowski> serfus: they have paid it in the past I thought the price was a lot lower
[15:40] <LinuxGNDU> it would be great it anyone here could help regarding this
[15:40] <LinuxGNDU> *if
[15:40] <AlanBell> !in | LinuxGNDU
[15:40] <ubot4> LinuxGNDU: #ubuntu-in is the channel for Ubuntu in India
[15:40] <czajkowski> serfus: you need to contact shippit and explain it to them and maybe make a note this has happened in the past
[15:40] <serfus> czajkowski, yes, i remember it happen in the past
[15:40] <LinuxGNDU> thanks AlanBell
[15:41] <czajkowski> serfus: mail and explain and I know they've done it in the past but the price keeps increasing..
[15:41] <serfus> i'll do that
[15:42] <serfus> czajkowski, so it's still shipit?
[15:42] <czajkowski> yes shippit still deal with it
[15:42] <czajkowski> there is nothing the council can do
[15:43] <serfus> ya i know.. i'll try to handle it myself, if i can't i'll send shipit a mail
[15:43] <czajkowski> serfus: tbh I'd mail shippit first
[15:43] <czajkowski> they deal with it there
[15:43] <czajkowski> and sort it out
[15:43] <czajkowski> past experience
[15:44] <laoshi_> hola! am I to understand that all of us who used the web-form are not getting any cd's?
[15:44] <serfus> czajkowski, okay, thanks
[15:45] <czajkowski> serfus: no problem
[15:45] <czajkowski> laoshi_: no..........
[15:45] <czajkowski> *sigh*
[15:45] <czajkowski> laoshi_: not sure how you came to that conclusion at all
[15:46] <AlanBell> laoshi_: that was just a theory I was testing, but the Irish loco used the form and got the CDs
[15:46] <laoshi_> by reading through the latest talk - we used the webform and have not got any cd's yet.
[15:46] <czajkowski> yet..
[15:46] <czajkowski> pleases be patient
[15:46] <AlanBell> laoshi_: what loco?
[15:46] <laoshi_> will be!
[15:46] <laoshi_> danish
[15:47] <serfus> we in Israel used the form and got the CD's
[15:47] <laoshi_> ok - I'll sit on my hands for a while
[15:49] <czajkowski> I've just sent a mail to canonical and will have an update
[15:49] <czajkowski> and will post to list if there is any news
[15:49] <laoshi_> thx
[15:49] <czajkowski> np


[00:10] <neoteny_2nd> can someone point me to an example xorg.conf for 9.04 for lircmd?  i can only find one for earlier versions.
[00:27] <frogonwheels> Has anybody had any problems with live-tv freezing at the end of a show's time-slot? (I'm using the 'fixed' weekly build repo)
[00:27] <frogonwheels> It seems to be a front-end problem rather than a back-end problem.
[00:30] <Glenjamin> hi guys, is there a way to run the mythbuntu livecd from usb stick? i havent got any blank CDs around >.<
[00:45] <neoteny_2nd> now just things are a little fuzzy
[00:57] <neoteny_2nd> i'm using svideo to go from me computer to a 16x9 lcd tv.  is that why things are a little fuzzier than they should be?
[02:40] <SHADOW_V> neoteny_2nd, yeah use dvi or hdmi
[03:18] <neoteny_2nd> SHADOW_V, well i went and bought the adapter and cable.  here goes
[03:18] <SHADOW_V> k
[03:18] <SHADOW_V> gl
[03:46] <neoteny_2nd> the picture is better but sound isn't going through the cable.  should it?
[04:13] <SHADOW_V> neoteny_2nd, only if you have it setup that way
[04:14] <SHADOW_V> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HDMI
[04:30] <neoteny> SHADOW_V, thanks.  for now i'm just sending it through the audio jack of the sound card.  i'll check that link out in the morning.
[04:30] <SHADOW_V> k
[11:46] <fo3nix> Hi guys
[11:46] <fo3nix> I'm having trouble with the frontend freezing on startup.
[11:46] <fo3nix> Can someone tell me where the program is called, so I can add more log options?
[11:47] <fo3nix> (I'm not that familiar with the Debian setup.)
[11:47] <fo3nix> Thanks
[13:25] <mazda01> i upgraded to ubuntu jaunty and now my pvr-350 remote doesn
[13:25] <mazda01> work. I can't even get any output from irw. can someone help please.
[13:26] <mazda01> fo3nix, what do you mean where is the frontend logged? you can start mythfrontend from the terminal and adding whatever options you want
[13:26] <mazda01> it logs to /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log if you start it from the menu.
[13:27] <fo3nix_> What I mean is that I have it set (just default options) to start frontend when I turn the machine on and it logs me in automatically (this is a new install)
[13:27] <fo3nix_> frontend freezes immediately, I'm jsut left with some grey gradients where it's supposed to load the menu
[13:28] <fo3nix_> if i can edit the call that it starts up with, I can add some more flags I think to log more verbosely
[13:28] <fo3nix_> (I don't think it uses fully-verbose logs by default, but I could be wrong.)
[13:34] <mazda01> fo3nix_, oh. it calls it from /etc/init.d/ I am pretty sure.
[13:34] <fo3nix_> Thanks
[13:34] <fo3nix_> I'm an Arch guy, haven't used much Debian-based stuff
[13:35] <mazda01> anyone out there help me with my pvr-350 remote? it stopped receiving signals after upgrade but the seperate serial transmitter is still working with the external STB  for whatever reason.
[13:45] <neoteny> i have a Hauppage WinTV-PVR-USB2 and it's working fine but the remote is acting wierd.  buttons repeat sometimes and sometimes when you press a different button it just enters in the last button pressed.  i don't think it's the remote itself because it's a pretty new remote.
[13:49] <mazda01> neoteny, don't remote configs have a delay or something in them? Have you looked around for remote configs for your remote and see what others are putting in theres?
[13:50] <neoteny> mazda01, not yet.  that was the state when i fell asleep last night.  i'll look around for remote config files today.
[13:51] <neoteny> all i have left to have a rockin set up is to get the remote working properly and the to figure out how to get it to work as a mouse
[13:51] <mazda01> neoteny, did you try out Mythbuntu Control Center? It has a lirc configurator built in/
[13:52] <neoteny> mazda01, will that set my remote up as a mouse?
[13:54] <mazda01> neoteny, i am not sure about that. you could ask in the mythbuntu forums at ubuntuforums.org or try to google it. Why do you want your remote to act as a mouse>
[13:54] <neoteny> mazda01, to control the pc when it's not in mythtv mode.
[13:54] <mazda01> neoteny, ah. i see. not sure. sorry.
[13:56] <neoteny> mazda01, i don't know why everyone wouldn't want that.
[13:58] <mazda01> neoteny, most people with a awesome setup for mythtv most likely don't use that same computer as a computer, it's a dedicated media center in myth only.
[13:58] <neoteny> i think that about a lot of things and then someone busts out about a million reasons and reminds me in just a frog in a well.
[14:00] <neoteny> hmmm one of my remotes has a button labeled 'mouse mode'
[14:14] <mazda01> someone please help me with my PVR-350 ir recevier. it stoppped working after I upgraded to Jaunty
[14:37] <mazda01> someone please help me with my PVR-350 ir recevier. it stoppped working after I upgraded to Jaunty
[15:23] <Essobi> Morning
[15:33] <noeteny_2nd> i'm following a tutorial on setting up remotes and it says my remote should have a line in the output from ls -lah /dev/input/by-path/ but there is none.  but my remote is working.
[15:35] <noeteny_2nd> i'm trying to get Ir-kbd-i2c working
[15:36] <noeteny_2nd> all of the tutorials i can find say i need to get the event number for my remote using that command.
[15:42] <mazda01> noeteny_2nd, if your remote is working then what do you need?>
[15:44] <noeteny_2nd> mazda01, i'm trying to set it up to control apps not in mythtv
[17:25] <neoteny_2nd> getting closer. now my remote works as a keyboard.  just need to figure out how to map the rest of the buttons.
[19:00] <neoteny_2nd> ok.  one last problem i think.  i'm following the lircmd setup instructions on the lirc site. and it says to put move commands in the lircmd.conf file which i have.  but i can't get the remote to mouse to move as it seems like it should.  the remote does do some things in varios apps like mplayer.  but shouldn't the remote move the cursor when i press the buttons according to lircmd.conf?
[19:01] <SHADOW_V> neoteny_2nd, if your remote is supported mythbuntu will generate a .conf for you
[19:04] <neoteny_2nd> SHADOW_V, it's supported.  it's the grey hauppauge remote.  the question i have is should it be able to move the cursor around. for instance the lircmd.conf file says MOVE_N * 2 does that mean if i press 2 on the remote the cursor would move up as if i moved my mouse up?
[19:05] <SHADOW_V> neoteny_2nd, you dont need to move the mouse
[19:05] <SHADOW_V> i have a generic mce remote
[19:05] <SHADOW_V> and it works great
[19:05] <SHADOW_V> and you dont need to move the mouse
[19:05] <SHADOW_V> its easier to not have it that way
[19:05] <neoteny_2nd> SHADOW_V, ok.  the how to i browse in ff and click on links?
[19:06] <neoteny_2nd> SHADOW_V, but doesn't MOVE_N * 2 suppose to enable it to move the cursor up, notwithstanding whether i should want to or not?
[19:07] <SHADOW_V> neoteny_2nd, if you let the mythbuntu lirc configurer do its just
[19:07] <SHADOW_V> itll function perfectly fine
[19:08] <neoteny_2nd> SHADOW_V, i did that but those types of functions aren't working.
[19:09] <SHADOW_V> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Image:MCE-Remote-2-v1069.jpg
[19:09] <SHADOW_V> thats what i have
[19:10] <neoteny_2nd> SHADOW_V, and does your remote function as a mouse when your not in the mythtv frontend?
[19:10] <neoteny_2nd> as in point and clicking?
[19:12] <SHADOW_V> oh no but none of those remotes where designed that way
[19:12] <SHADOW_V> and i dont know how to set that up they are designed to be used with a 10' ui
[19:12] <SHADOW_V> get a remote like this
[19:12] <SHADOW_V> http://www.technofile.com/images/aiw_9700remote.jpg
[19:13] <neoteny_2nd> SHADOW_V, you're wrong about that i'm pretty sure.  you should be able to control your mouse.
[19:14] <SHADOW_V> neoteny_2nd, eh i dont know about that they dont look like the best things to control the mouse
[19:14] <SHADOW_V> but carry on
[19:47] <Algyz> Hi :)
[19:47] <Algyz> I have Coreavcdecoder.ax file and want it to use with Friptv iptv application. Compiled app, but it is complaining, that  mpeg_demux: No video decoder connected! Where to place this coreavcdecoder.ax?
[20:23] <MistStlkr> When I go to system>main menu and change the order or add something to the menu the change does not take effect.  I tried sudo refresh-menus in a terminal and it did not seem to have any effect.  Suggestions?


[04:48] <RahulAN> hii all
[04:48] <RahulAN> I listened that the services are  going to close? is there any alternative like ubuntu one?
[08:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Cherish An Antique Day! :-D
[09:04]  * davmor2 hugs JamesTait as my cherished antique for the day :D
[09:04] <JamesTait> \o/
[09:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: it's like you wrote the script for me :)
[09:04] <JamesTait> davmor2, I set 'em up, you knock 'em down. ;)


[10:41] <slvn> hello ! I have built a snap package app (amd64, 16.04), based on SDL2, with mir back-end compiled. I am wondering if someone using mir could give a try. It should take less than 1 min.
[10:41] <slvn> basically:  sudo snap install tic-tac-toe
[10:42] <slvn> (In I fact, I pretty sure it won't work, because I have forced the software rendering ... )
[13:05] <Tak> ok, so I got a unity8 session going inside kvm
[13:07] <Tak> is the ubuntu-mobile-ish ui expected? or do I need to configure something to run with xmir?
[13:24] <anpok> Tak: the ui depends on the input devices attached.. you should get a mobilish ui with unity8 dash.. and very few apps..
[13:24] <Tak> ok, that's expected then
[13:24] <anpok> so by default you should get the unity8 ui in desktop mode ..you might be able to toggle to tablet mode too
[13:25] <Tak> how do I tell what mode it thinks it's in?
[13:26] <anpok> tablet mode means stuff is in fullscreen.. and you also have a side stage .. but to see that you need to have some apps running
[13:27] <anpok> the desktop mode has window decorations..
[13:27] <Tak> ok, I have desktop mode then
[13:37] <Tak> I guess it's also expected that I can't install packages from the store in desktop mode? (ala https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session/+bug/1371820 )
[13:39] <anpok> .. unfortunate.. but still true.. I am not sure what is missing - different construction site..


[01:23] <dkg> hloeung: thanks for the pointer, though
[08:38] <cjwatson> dkg: answered
[12:00] <dkg> cjwatson: thanks!
[12:01] <cjwatson> dkg: Incidentally do you know if xenial's gnupg2 (i.e. 2.1.11) is sufficient for this kind of thing or whether we'd need to update that too?
[12:01] <cjwatson> As of a few days ago LP does pass its tests on bionic (which has 2.2.4) but we haven't yet upgraded production and that's a fairly big job
[12:29] <dkg> cjwatson: my impression is that 2.1.11 was not really ready for a stable release -- too many bugs were found in it during its stint in testing.  I've heard from many people that xenial's 2.1.11 fails with some ECC keys, for example (e.g., https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnupg2/+bug/1778770 and related bugs)
[12:29] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1778770 in gnupg2 (Ubuntu) "GnuPG segfaults when encrypting mail to key with ed25519 / cv25519 subkeys" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:30] <cjwatson> dkg: Mm, I thought as much.  This might have to wait until we're on bionic then
[12:33] <dkg> it's pretty sad that xenial's GnuPG situation is so unmaintained that those bugs aren't getting fixed :(
[12:34] <dkg> glad to hear that LP might make this work on bionic though -- presumably that means it just automagically inherits GnuPG 2.2 and the test suites actually pass -- that's good to hear!
[12:34] <dkg> (and it suggests that we have actually managed to address at least some of the issues that ian was complaining about, though we haven't heard back that they're fixed)
[12:42] <cjwatson> dkg: Well, no, on bionic the tests only pass because we force gnupg1
[12:43] <cjwatson> dkg: You really can't infer anything about the state of the agent interaction bugs from that :)
[13:59] <acheronuk> cjwatson: is the buildd-manager still alive?
[14:02] <cjwatson> acheronuk: Possibly not, but I have a deployment in progress at the moment that will restart it anyway
[14:02] <cjwatson> So I might as well let it get on with it
[14:03] <acheronuk> cjwatson: indeed, thanks
[14:16] <cjwatson> acheronuk: should be happier
[14:19] <acheronuk> cjwatson: ty
[23:41] <dkg> cjwatson: oh, it's sad that you're forcing gnupg1.  why do you need the agent at all?  can you point me to the test suite failures if you use gnupg2?
[23:43] <cjwatson> dkg: I wasn't under the impression that it was possible to use gnupg2 without the agent being involved
[23:44] <cjwatson> dkg: I can dig up test failures in a bit, though not tonight.  My current working diff has "gpgconf --kill gpg-agent" at a point in the code where we want to reset gpg's state for tests, which I think helped somewhat but I do have a few left
[23:45] <dkg> cjwatson: the agent is for secret key usage: signatures and decryption
[23:45] <cjwatson> dkg: Sure, which LP's test suite does
[23:45] <dkg> if you're not signing or decrypting, you shouldn't need the agent
[23:46] <dkg> at any rate, you should be able to just use it -- if you want to reset gpg's state, the best thing is to just delete the GNUPGHOME entirely.
[23:47] <cjwatson> What will happen to the gpg-agent processes left lying around?  Seems best to kill them
[23:48] <cjwatson> We also sign things in non-test situations, for example Release files
[23:48] <cjwatson> Kind of vital
[23:54] <dkg> ok, signing Release files makes sense
[23:55] <dkg> do you actually decrypt?
[23:55] <dkg> you can always "gpgconf --kill gpg-agent", but it's not clear to me why you need to if there are long-running launchpad processes
[23:56] <dkg> for the test suite, i can see why you'd want to make sure the processes go away, but deleting the GNUPGHOME should cause any associated agents (for modern GnuPG) to terminate automatically anyway (based on inotify events)
[23:58] <cjwatson> We do decrypt, but only in tests
[23:58] <cjwatson> Just the other end of things that involve encryption
[23:58] <cjwatson> Good to know about inotify; that might help
[23:59] <cjwatson> At the moment we only remove some important files from GNUPGHOME to reset state, but if removing and reinitialising the whole thing will work better then we can probably do that