[08:59] <kibibyte> test@b-desk:~$
[08:59] <kibibyte> see
[08:59] <somsip> kibibyte: ok - so you don't
[08:59] <kibibyte> no error
[09:00] <chinhnv> I want to know my ubuntu of 32-bit or 64-bit?
[09:00] <xyzwhatever> chinhnv: type "uname -a"
[09:00] <G|ass> are all windows 8 version able to change language and locals?
[09:01] <chinhnv> where?
[09:01] <somsip> G|ass: this is the ubuntu support channel. You need ##windows
[09:01] <xyzwhatever> in terminal of course
[09:01] <cfhowlett_> G|ass, ask in #windows
[09:01] <G|ass> sorry wrong window
[09:01] <xyzwhatever> helps i cant get vnc server working on centOS :/
[09:02] <somsip> xyzwhatever: how does ubuntu support relate to that problem?
[09:02] <cfhowlett_> xyzwhatever, take it up with the centOS channel - this is ubuntu
[09:02] <xyzwhatever> cant enter the cenos channel :(
[09:02] <somsip> xyzwhatever: it's still not an ubuntu support issue
[09:02] <cfhowlett_> xyzwhatever, so - not our issue.
[09:03] <somsip> cfhowlett_: who's lagging who here? ;)
[09:03] <DJones> xyzwhatever: If you join #freenode, there should be somebody that can help you get into the centos channel, from memory, that channel may need a registered nick before you can join
[09:03] <cfhowlett_> somsip, usually I give cookies.  you're going to force me to take yours
[09:03] <cfhowlett_> :0
[09:03] <somsip> cfhowlett_: gah! Sshh now. Ops are here...
[09:04] <Kartagis> xyzwhatever: register yout nick
[09:04] <chinhnv> Does means i686?
[09:04] <somsip> chinhnv: 64 bit
[09:04] <chinhnv> thank you
[09:05] <Kartagis> isn't i686 32 and x86_64 64?
[09:05] <cfhowlett_> Kartagis, yep
[09:06] <somsip> chinhnv: looks like I'm wrong on that one. I defer.
[09:07] <Atw> Question, I'm running a 12.04 server and when I change users while ssh'd in my Ruby version changes, even after going back to the first user? ie "ssh deploy@1111 , ruby -v = 2.0 , su user  , ruby -v = 1.9.1 , su deploy , ruby -v = 1.9.1 (not back to 2.0? why?)" Is this a Path issue, or what is going on here?
[09:07] <sazawal> I am using Ubuntu 13.04 64 bit with gnome-shell. My screen suddenly turns fuzzy with yellow-blue color and freezes. Keyboard-mouse stops working, even Ctrl Alt F1 doesnt work. Here is a video of the screen I shot with a camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1K0QYjon9I. I have looked at the system logs but couldnt find anything. Also before the crash I can see display tearing up with a flash in blue color 4-5 times. Please help.
[09:07] <zgsppdale> Back
[09:07] <cfhowlett_> sazawal, 13.04 has reached end of life and is no longer supported
[09:07] <zgsppdale> :3
[09:08] <cfhowlett_> !server|Atw,
[09:08] <sazawal> cfhowlett_, yes but its been few days only. I need some more time to upgrade it. The problem was already there and I am facing this for like one month.
[09:08] <somsip> Atw: I understand rbenv can be run in .bashrc or similar. Is there any way this is causing a different version to be recognised?
[09:09] <somsip> Atw: not run, but initialilsed...whatever
[09:09] <cfhowlett_> sazawal, could be that upgrading will fix it.  anyway - end of life = end of support.
[09:10] <jatt> what does the 't' mean in the following permissions?:
[09:10] <jatt> drwxrwxr-t
[09:10] <sazawal> cfhowlett_, I know upgrading will fix it. But I am not in a position to upgrade it at this moment. Anyways, thanks for the suggestion.
[09:10] <Atw> somsip I do have rbenv installed, but can you explain why is would change? are programs installed per user by default?
[09:11] <somsip> Atw: I have no idea about ruby itself, but I suppose that is possible. deploy has a different version installed locally than root. Dunno to be sure though
[09:12] <Atw> somsip I guess really I'm just trying to understand 'local' vs 'root' vs 'user' etc, ruby I don't really care about, I just want to know a little about what the OS might be doing.
[09:13] <somsip> Atw: I can only give you a python analogy, with virtualenv. When virtualenv is activated, it adds PATH for a version of python installed in the project files so that is version accessible to the user. If another user does not activate virtualenv, the systemwide version will be the one they use. Not sure if that helps, or if it is the same in ruby/rbenv
[09:15] <ifireball> Atw, I don't know about rbenv , but RVM simply adds settings to your shell dotfiles that makes it change PATH to poing to the proper ruby release accordign to where you are
[09:15] <vorticesoft> anyone knows an alternative to teamviewer? as easy to setup as teamviewer
 Try Robomon
 it uses VPN , and vnc for screen shareing.
 and its free
[09:17] <ifireball> Robuk, I think you should say that to vorticesoft
[09:17] <vorticesoft> :)
[09:17] <vorticesoft> yes :)
 yes sorry for that , double vision first thing in morning.
 that last chat was for you , but you worked that out :-)
[09:18] <dwarder> guys what shoudl i do with this ? http://pastebin.com/kiABYLPA
[09:19] <dwarder> upgrading mysql-server and mysql-client packages didn't help
[09:19] <vorticesoft> jeje yes, but robomon is windows only??
[09:20] <vorticesoft> google doesn't give me much information
 sorry its remobo .. http://www.remobo.com/download
[09:26] <vorticesoft> thank you robuk
[09:26] <vorticesoft> i'm going to test it
[09:26] <alumno> hi
[09:28] <sazawal> I am using Ubuntu 13.04 64 bit with gnome-shell. My screen suddenly turns fuzzy with yellow-blue color and freezes. Keyboard-mouse stops working, even Ctrl Alt F1 doesnt work. Here is a video of the screen I shot with a camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1K0QYjon9I. I have looked at the system logs but couldnt find anything. Also before the crash I can see display tearing up with a flash in blue color 4-5 times. Please help.
[09:28] <vorticesoft> hi alumno
 you get your clients to install this , and then on your screen you can see your clients and can then remote scrren on to them in a vpn tunnel.
 you have a nvidia card ?
[09:30] <sazawal> Robuk, No, I dont think so. My System Settings>Details>Graphics says Intel® Ivybridge Desktop
[09:30] <vorticesoft> Robuk, I need to setup for them teamviewer too, so it's similar in this
[09:31] <Atw> sazawal I would try two things, booting from a Live CD OS (to test if its your install), try another monitor/TV (that might be the issue), if that isn't it look to the GPU, maybe try on board/CPU if you have a new intel one.
[09:32] <Rache> привет
[09:32] <Rory> !ru | Rache
[09:32] <sazawal> Atw, But the screen freeze happens all of a sudden. I am not sure when it is going to happen. Otherwise, the system is working fine.
[09:32] <Huike> I'm installing ubuntu 12.04.4 on a new pc with Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 M/B, AMD Athlon II X2 250 CPU, Sapphire HD7950 MAC edition vga card, OCZ DDR3 2x2GB RAM. the problem is the USB 3.0 with VIA VL805 chipset is not working in ubuntu. insert anything there is no response in ubuntu. any idea?
[09:33] <sazawal> Atw, I am sure it is not a monitor issue, it switched my monitor off and on and it still displays the same
[09:33] <sazawal> I switched*
[09:34] <Atw> sazawal maybe look into Heat or driver issues. Also running a Live OS for a day or two if that is an option would let you see if it happens there, meaning hardware vs install issue.
 I do beleive that intel have created new linux drivers now. tat should fix your problem https://01.org/linuxgraphics/
[09:35] <sazawal> Atw, right I can do that. Is there something you can say looking at the system logs just before the crash?
[09:39] <sazawal> Robuk, It is for Ubuntu 13.10. I have downloaded it but it says dependency is not satisfiable libglib2.0-0 (>=2.37.3)
[09:40] <hsync> leace
[09:42] <weini> hy :)
[09:42] <weini> sb is here who work with the btrfs filesystem?
[09:43] <ryan___> hello
[09:43] <weini> hy
[09:43] <ryan___> i have an error installing ubuntu
[09:44] <weini> which?
[09:44] <Huike> I'm installing ubuntu 12.04.4 on a new pc with Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 M/B, AMD Athlon II X2 250 CPU, Sapphire HD7950 MAC edition vga card, OCZ DDR3 2x2GB RAM. the problem is the USB 3.0 with VIA VL805 chipset is not working in ubuntu. insert anything there is no response in ubuntu. any idea?
[09:45] <ryan___> i want to dual boot, i loaded ubuntu onto a usb stick and pressed F12 to start the boot manager. I select the language, join wifi. and then it says your computer has no detected operating systems, which i know is not true
 run sudo apt-get update
[09:45] <ryan___> im not linux
[09:46] <sazawal> Robuk, I do that everyday. The problem persists.
[09:46] <marz> I can no longer connect to WiFi. No wlan0 appears when i type in "ifconfig".
[09:46] <ryan___> i want to dual boot. but the install says i have no OS on my computer
 Then install sudo apt-get install -f libglib2.0-0 [or better]
[09:47] <ryan___> i am not linux
[09:48] <ryan___> can anyone help me please?
[09:49] <ryan___> hello anyone
[09:49] <Waynes> What does it mean if the gateway is '*' when using "route" command? I read the man pages and it says in this case, gateway is not set, but where do my packets go then?
[09:49] <Ben64> ryan___: you're going to need to give a lot more information if you want help here
[09:50] <ryan___> i cannot say it simpler, i went to install UBUNTU and it says i have no detected OS on my pc
[09:50] <Ben64> what is "it"
[09:52] <Waynes> E.g. I have "Destination: <IP_ADDRESS> Gateway: * Genmask: <IP_ADDRESS>", will all my packets to 192.168.something.something be discarded?
[09:52] <Atw> Ben64 I think 'it' is his ubuntu-loaded usb stick, during the install it tells him that.
[09:53] <ryan___> yes ben
 * the packets will default to <IP_ADDRESS> as no gateway is currently set . <IP_ADDRESS> is the internet or your routers wan in most cases.
[09:53] <Ben64> ryan___: post a screenshot of it
[09:53] <Waynes> Robuk: So * is another name for default gateway?
[09:53] <ryan___> i cant do that
[09:54] <Ben64> why not
[09:54] <ryan___> it is exactly the same as this
[09:54] <ryan___> http://i.imgur.com/okaqb.png
[09:55] <madzik> hello is anyone here familiar with python
[09:55] <madzik> ?
[09:55] <sazawal> Robuk, Are you sure this is a graphics driver issue? I don't want things to mess up more.
[09:55] <Waynes> madzik: #python
[09:55] <Ben64> ryan___: ok, and what's the other operating system on the drive right now
[09:55] <ryan___> windows 8.1
[09:57] <Ben64> ryan___: there you go, now we have enough information. the problem is probably due to efi and/or gpt
[09:57] <ryan___> and what is that?
[09:58] <Hecter2> how do i list exact service name
  Going by my expirence , shering of the screen , pixels everywhaere and just a mess for a screen have always been driver issues for me . All mine have nenn on nvida.
[09:58] <Hecter2> i need to restart mysql
[09:58] <Hecter2> sudo: unable to resolve host terran
[09:58] <Hecter2> start: unrecognized service
 I herd that Intel have now released much better and stable drivers now for linux
[09:59] <Hecter2> - /etc/phpmyadmin$ sudo service start mysql
[09:59] <Hecter2> sudo: unable to resolve host terran
[09:59] <Hecter2> start: unrecognized service
[09:59] <ryan___> ben
[09:59] <sazawal> Robuk, Okay, then I can try this.
 you can do what you feel is right for your self, just giving you some idea. Please dont follow if you think its no right or your unsure.
[10:00] <marz> I can no longer connect to WiFI, no wlan0 appears when i type in "ifconfig"
[10:00] <Ben64> !efi | ryan___
[10:01] <sazawal> Robuk, I have filed a bug on launchpad. Let's see if someone fixes it then I am alright, otherwise I will try your solution.
[10:01] <Hecter> got it sudo service mysql restart
[10:01] <ryan___> makes no sense
[10:01] <marz> I'm having problems connecting to WiFi
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> marz: what wifi chip?
 i had dreadful issue with my GFX when i was on beta ubuntu13 only to find out that nvidia drive for my card only goes upto 304 .
[10:04] <marz> ActionParsnip: I can see it in "AdditionalDrivers" It says that it is activated and currently in use.  There was something strange with my graphics card. I did not see anything appearing in Software Properties > Additional Drivers and it said "No proprietary drivers in use". I searched more and I found that this is some hi-performance graphics card newly launched by intel.
[10:08] <marz> there is no wlan0 when i type in "ifconfig"
 i believe the ivy sandybridge graphics cards also had a windows updates as weall.
[10:10] <marz> ifconfig doesn't show wlan0
[10:10] <sazawal> Robuk, every card in the world supports windows.
[10:10] <safrir> Hi.  I'm trying to mount a FS and I get JBD2: recovery failed , EXT4-fs (dm-1): error loading journal
[10:10] <safrir> what shall i do?
[10:12] <Seagull> yay
[10:12] <Seagull> i figured it out
[10:12] <Seagull> w0w
[10:12] <Seagull> thanks 2 everyone who helped
 make sure its not mounted at all find out what device its on , then run fschk.ext4 /dev/<name> ....http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/repairing-linux-ext2-or-ext3-file-system.html
[10:15] <safrir> Robuk: how can i know it's not mounted?
[10:17] <dwarder> is there a way i can isntall mysql version 5.5.33 instead of 5.5.34 that is the version installed in ubunt 13.10?
 the comamnd is just mount
[10:19] <safrir> ok ty
[10:19] <safrir> all the partitions  suddenly disappeared except the live cd
[10:19] <safrir> i can't see the HD
 most prob nothing is mounted
[10:24] <safrir> Robuk: i get fsck.ext4: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/.....   Could this be a zero-length partition?
[10:25] <thegravy> hi ubuntu users :) anybody know about a radio for linux with option to delay the audio? to fit what i hear in the radio with what i see in the tv (sports).
[10:26] <safrir> thegravy: maybe vlc has it
[10:26] <thegravy> safrir: vlc got this option?
[10:27] <safrir> thegravy: at least with video
[10:28] <thegravy> ok safrir will see if i can do that with vlc... i use in windows clacradio, but i cant use it with wine
[10:28] <dwarder> is there a way i can isntall mysql version 5.5.33 instead of 5.5.34 that is the version installed in ubunt 13.10?
 What message was dissplayed ?
[10:35] <ohmy> hi
[10:36] <ohmy> my ubuntu server crashes (power cut) recently, everything looks fine except apache2 that refuses to start (service apache2 start or /etc/init.d/apache2 start)
[10:36] <ohmy> the commands does not output anything
[10:36] <ohmy> Bonjour
[10:37] <Rory> ohmy: Can you put the contents of the "/var/log/apache2/error.log" file on http://paste.ubuntu.com
[10:37] <Rory> ohmy: sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit; sudo pastebinit /var/log/apache2/error.log
[10:39] <jfer> I was wondering if Ubuntu will run on a Dell Inspiron Oak 15 Main HS 5537?
[10:39] <gordonjcp> jfer: probably, try it and see
[10:39] <Rory> jfer: Almost certainly yes, just try a live USB and find out
[10:39] <jfer> I was looking to buy one
[10:39] <Rory> jfer: It's rare that it won't just flat-out "not work", these days
[10:40] <Rory> jfer: If you have any issues, they'll tend to be specific ones like "wireless doesn't work out of the box", with specific fixes
[10:40] <jfer> I see.
[10:40] <jfer> Any good forums to look for these specific issues?
[10:41] <dwarder> how to donwgrade mysql 5.5.34 to 5.5.32 on ubuntu 13.10?
[10:41] <dwarder> downgrade
[10:41] <ohmy> Rory: all the log is before the crash http://paste.ubuntu.com/6930473/
[10:41] <Rory> jfer: The best thing would be to look at the specific hardware it uses, most importantly the wireless chipset and graphics card
[10:41] <Rory> jfer: And then look for Ubuntu support of those components
[10:41] <jfer> Rory: Thanks for your help.   I'm trying to rebundle one of the AMIs from https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ (the precise amd64 s3-backed one), and I can't figure out why connections to the newly-minted AMI on port 22 are timing out
[10:46] <pipegeek> any idea what I might be missing here?  I see sshd starting, and I see it configuring itself with the correct private IP.  Is there a particular trick to rebundling the ubuntu AMIs?
[10:47] <Rory> pipegeek: If you're bringing it up on AWS, make sure the security groups are configured correctly to allow inbound TCP/22 from your network
[10:48] <joshu_> is it possible to install ubuntu on a hard drive using squashfs so that there are two ubuntu installs?
[10:48] <pipegeek> Rory, they are.
[10:48] <Rory> joshu_: Do you need squashfs specifically? Because you can install Ubuntu as many times as you like on one machine, all in different partitions
[10:48] <pipegeek> from <IP_ADDRESS>/0 in fact
[10:49] <Rory> pipegeek: When you say you "see sshd starting" where do you see this?
[10:49] <pipegeek> Rory, in the console output in the aws console
[10:49] <Rory> Does that give you an interactive shell?
[10:49] <pipegeek> Rory, actually, no.  I see the ssh host keys being generated
[10:49] <pipegeek> Rory, no, it does not.
[10:49] <dupingping> Hi
[10:49] <dupingping> I had registered my app at https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps
[10:49] <dupingping> How can I distribute myapp in the world?
[10:50] <bazhang> !ppa | dupingping
[10:50] <Rory> pipegeek: Can you reach any other services on that instance, such as HTTP?
[10:50] <Scroff> What happens if you telnet to port 22 on the server?
[10:50] <joshu_> Rory I would like to have it so that there are two Ubuntu installs on the hard drive as in active image and old image. I've seen this done with some ISO distributions based on debian and would like to do the same if possible.
[10:50] <pipegeek> Rory, there are no other services on the instance
[10:50] <Scroff> Does that time out too?
[10:51] <Rory> pipegeek: Can you pastebin the output of "ssh -vv username@machine-address" - feel free to scrub IPs if you prefer.
[10:51] <Rory> pipegeek: `paste`
[10:51] <Rory> pipegeek: Please paste the full output onto http://paste.ubuntu.com and share the URL in this channel
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> chare: you don't have to use Unity, so no it's fine as it is
[10:52] <pipegeek> Rory, there's only six lines of output, the last of which is, connection timed out
[10:52] <Rory> pipegeek: Okay can you do "telnet hostname 22"
[10:52] <Rory> pipegeek: And see if it says "connected to..."
[10:52] <dupingping> Yesterday I removed some two tiny partions from the disk,
[10:52] <pipegeek> Rory, also timing out
[10:52] <dupingping> Today it won't boot. I opened my computer from USB now,
[10:52] <dupingping> but I can not install grub from chroot.
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> pipegeek: have you tried to SSH using the -v option for (v)erbose output?
[10:53] <dupingping> I run sudo blkid I noticed that my ubuntu installed partition moved from sda6 to sda5.
[10:53] <dupingping> First I run sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt then sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda5 but I get following error.
[10:53] <pipegeek> ActionParsnip, yes.  It is timing out trying to connect to the port.  There are only six lines of output.
[10:53] <dupingping> following error is shown:
[10:53] <Rory> pipegeek: Okay, so that means either nothing is listening on port 22, or that there's some firewall between you and the instance
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> dupingping: isnt sda5 always the extended partition?
[10:54] <pipegeek> Rory, so, if it's a firewall problem, it's not the security group.  Could it be UFW interfering with things?
[10:54] <dupingping> sda5 is extended partition.
[10:54] <bazhang> !enter | dupingping
[10:54] <Rory> pipegeek: Out of interest, what's the IP you're trying to connect to? Is it like "ip-10-86..." or is it like "ec2-54-229..."
[10:54] <dupingping> sorry, bazhang
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> dupingping: then it will be on sda6 which is the first logical partition in the extended partition
[10:55] <pipegeek> Rory, well, neither, since I'm connecting to the IP directly.  But it's the latter
[10:55] <pipegeek> ie, the public ip
[10:55] <Rory> pipegeek: Yeah sure that's what iw as getting at
[10:55] <dupingping> ActionParsnip: yes.
[10:55] <dupingping> ActionParsnip: then now what do i do.
[10:55] <pipegeek> Rory, also, the instance I created the ami from was configured identically, and worked fine
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> dupingping: so explains the error.....
[10:55] <Scroff> What's the status of the 2 health checks in AWS?
[10:56] <pipegeek> Rory, so, either ufw or sshd seems at fault.  I'm not sure why it would be either
[10:56] <Scroff> Does it say 2/2 passed (after you refresh a few times)
[10:56] <dupingping> following messages are shown:
[10:56] <Rory> pipegeek: Could you try to build a new AMI with apache2 or something listening? If that works, but sshd doesn't it'll help narrow down your search
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> pipegeek: public IP? as in over WWW?
[10:56] <pipegeek> ActionParsnip, huh?
[10:56] <Rory> ActionParsnip: Presumably an elastic IP, yes they're globally routable, "real" addresses
[10:56] <pipegeek> And Rory , sure
[10:56] <dupingping> "/usr/sbin/grub-bios-setup: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding."
[10:57] <dupingping> "/usr/sbin/grub-bios-setup: warning: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be"
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> pipegeek: you cannot install grub to sda5 as its not a real partition per-se
[10:57] <dupingping> "installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their   "
[10:57] <Scroff> Is the instance in a VPC?
[10:57] <dupingping> "use is discouraged..
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> Rory: can you ping the IP?
[10:57] <Scroff> And the other one you can connect to, is it in the same subnet?
[10:57] <Rory> ActionParsnip: It's not me it's pipegeek. And by default, you can't ping instances
[10:57] <dupingping> ActionParsnip: what?
[10:58] <nikolam> for some reason, I can not use Broadcom NeXteme BCM5721 os Ubuntu 13.10 (and 12.10 previously). It is displayed as Disabled in lshw and does not come up, whatever I put in /etc/network/interfaces (ifconfic does not affect it). Worked on 12.04 32bit.
[10:58] <nikolam> and for 12.10/13.10 motherboard is changed and same install used
[10:58] <dupingping> ActionParsnip: detail about it?
[10:58] <pipegeek> Rory, that's a really good point though
[10:58] <pipegeek> I'll open up ICMP to it and see if it's pingable
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> nikolam: do you dual boot?
[10:59] <Rory> Yeah basically you just need to see if it's a networking problem between you and the instance, or if it's a systems problem with some configuration on the instance
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> nikolam: try:  sudo rfkill unblock all
[10:59] <thegravy> finally i found a radiodelay application, read me file explain the use of it, but theres no info on where in need to put the file. http://sourceforge.net/projects/delayradio/ this is the file. any help on where i need to put hte file?
[11:00] <nikolam> mm ActionParsnip I think it recognized some xp during install , so yes. I could be able to verify it working, yes
[11:00] <Rory> pipegeek: It might be useful if you screenshotted the instance information panel on the EC" console
[11:00] <Rory> pipegeek: EC2*
[11:00] <pipegeek> Rory, will do.  Also, the instance *is* pingable, which suggests a problem with sshd
[11:01] <nikolam> ActionParsnip, it is ethernet LAN card, i did tha
[11:02] <Rory> pipegeek: Okay so it's likely the service simply isn't running. Not sure how the manual AMI build-process works, as we have a set of build-scripts with Salt and some automatic buildslaves at work, but the command you want is: sudo update-rc.d ssh defaults
[11:02] <pipegeek> Rory, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6930548/
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> nikolam: did it bring the interface up?
[11:02] <dupingping> !addppa
[11:02] <Rory> pipegeek: What's this?
[11:02] <pipegeek> console output.
[11:02] <pipegeek> the "screenshot" you wanted ;)
[11:02] <dupingping> !ppa-purge
[11:02] <nikolam> ActionParsnip, no it did not
[11:02] <pipegeek> Rory, and, I know the instance itself is reboot-safe.  I've rebooted it.  So presumably ssh is enabled in init.
[11:03] <dupingping> and.
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> nikolam: try unloading and reloading the kernel module driving it
[11:03] <nikolam> neither ifconfig up does it, even if fixed settings are in /etc/network/interfaces. I have wilreless up.
[11:04] <safrir> hi
[11:05] <Busybyeski> if i'm interested in running couchpotato, what would be a good working directory, since it's sortof "software" through scripts but i'll also want to git into it every once in a while? is there a good spot in the filesystem for that kind of idea?
[11:05] <pipegeek> Rory, interesting.  Comparing it to the instance it was based on... there's a lot that's meant to happen after that point, and isn't happening
[11:05] <pipegeek> so, okay.  The instance isn't booting all the way
[11:05] <pipegeek> it's blocking for some reason
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> Busybyeski: http://www.linuxplained.com/install-couchpotato-v2-on-ubuntu/
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> Busybyeski: http://www.gizmojunkee.com/2013/10/setup-couchpotato-on-ubuntu-12-04-server/
[11:07] <safrir> How can I run fsck.ext4 on a logical volume?  i get a fsck.ext4: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/dm-0
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> safrir: is the partition unmounted?
[11:07] <Busybyeski> ActionParsnip: are hidden directories often used for that kind of thing?
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> Busybyeski: why does it matter?
[11:08] <Busybyeski> ActionParsnip: i just don't want to have a cluttered system, if that makes sense
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> Busybyeski: as long as the folders are referenced correctly you can have them unhidden or hidden
[11:09] <Busybyeski> but there's no convention for software built from source?
 try running sudo lvdisplay
[11:09] <safrir> ActionParsnip: i typed mount and i don't see it
[11:10] <nikolam> ActionParsnip, no effect, unloading/loading kernel module tg3 for Broadcom NeXteme BCM5721
[11:10] <pipegeek> Rory, hey.  So, when I rebooted the instance in question, it spit out something potentially relevant: "Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket"
[11:10] <pipegeek> "No such file or directory"
[11:10] <nikolam> it shows on ifconfig -a but does not come online
[11:10] <pipegeek> could that cause the init system to block indefinitely?
[11:10] <safrir> Robuk: How can I know it's mounted?
 the dev/dm-0 is not a normal drive dev name . also sun sudo fdisk -l dose your drive show up in the list. if so what device name is it given.
[11:12] <pipegeek> man, I haven't had to do this in years
[11:12] <pipegeek> I didn't miss it :P
[11:12] <nikolam> Ethernet network is geyed out in network manager
[11:13] <safrir> Robuk: maybe there's an lvm partition inside the LV, i'm not sure
[11:13] <Robuk> What was originaly on this drive . OS wise
[11:14] <noiano> hello
[11:14] <chinhnv> Error: Brokencount >0.
[11:14] <chinhnv> help me
[11:14] <safrir> Robuk: i think it was lvm inside LV, or the other way around... ext4
[11:15] <safrir> no fs
[11:15] <safrir> err, no OS
[11:15] <noiano> I was asked the meaning of this command "$ sh << exit " ... I was unable to answer ... help ? :)
[11:17] <safrir> Robuk: in fdisk it says the partition doesn't contain a valid partition table
[11:20] <pipegeek> Rory, THAT WAS IT
[11:20] <pipegeek> it was dbus
[11:20] <pipegeek> *damn* it
[11:21] <joshu_> Rory Is what I wrote possible?
[11:21] <noiano> anyone ? :)
[11:21] <pipegeek> I miss sysvinit
[11:28] <fabioleitenunes> hallo
[11:28] <dupingping> hallo?
[11:29] <fabioleitenunes> haha
[11:33] <Rory> joshu_: Honestly, I am not sure. I think rather than thinking about how to do the implementaion you picked, you ought to explain to the channel what you want to achieve
[11:34] <Rory> joshu_: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#goal
[11:35] <Rory> joshu_: Apologies for that page's use of "stupid" and "smart" questions
[11:35] <nikolam> ActionParsnip, 'ifup eth2' had affect on bringing it up of eth2, instead of ifconfig eth2 up
[11:37] <joshu_> Rory Well to elaborate on what I've already said. Can I install Ubuntu in such a way that there are two "images" of Ubuntu on the hard drive. You boot into the active image and work as normal. You can update the non-active image of Ubuntu without effecting the active one. When you reboot the non-active, updated image is set as active.
[11:38] <pipegeek> Rory, well, I thought I had it, but I haven't reproduced my succes.
[11:38] <pipegeek> I'm giving up for the night
[11:39] <Rory> joshu_: That sounds interesting, but I'm not sure what the best way to do it is. What use-case do you have for such a situation? have you considered maybe putting using a Virtualbox instead, allowing you to take snapshots in time and go back to the, etc?
[11:39] <Rory> pipegeek: Sorry I couldn#t be more help, I'm sure you'll get it sorted in the morning
[11:43] <pipegeek> thanks for your help :)
[11:46] <gopi> Hi any one can help me
[11:46] <OerHeks> gopi, maybe, just ask your question and find out
[11:47] <gopi> ok ... i recently installed umbrello. But it won't starts
[11:47] <gopi> i searched on net also. I dont know what to do?
[11:47] <gopi> can you help me?
[11:47] <Rory> gopi: If you open a Terminal and run the "umbrello" command, do you see an error output?
[11:47] <Rory> gopi: Also, what Ubuntu version are you using, and how did you install Umbrello?
[11:48] <gopi> i tried.... no error but still no response
[11:48] <gopi> 13.10
[11:48] <Rory> gopi: You get no output at all, when you type umbrello on the shell and press Return?
[11:48] <Rory> gopi: Could you please show me the full output? Ctrl-Shift-C to copy from a terminal
[11:48] <Rory> gopi: Please paste the full output onto http://paste.ubuntu.com and share the URL in this channel
[11:49] <gopi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6930750/
[11:49] <gopi> Please check it
[11:50] <Rory> gopi: How did you install it?
[11:50] <gopi> that is the output when i type umbrello in terminal
[11:50] <gopi> installed via software center
[11:50] <Rory> gopi: Can you run the following command to delete your user's umbrello configs? Take care to type it exactly: rm ~/.kde4/share/config/umbrellorc
[11:51] <Rory> gopi: After that, try running it again and see if it opens
[11:52] <gopi> rm: cannot remove ‘/home/gopi/.kde4/share/config/umbrellorc’: No such file or directory
[11:52] <gopi> it says no such file
[11:52] <gopi> what to do?
[11:52] <md_nfs> Hello every one my grub menu not showing when i reinstall window 7. what can i do for this?
[11:53] <Rory> gopi: OK. Are there any other users on your machine you can try launching it from? Or the Guest user? Could you see if it works from another user?
[11:53] <Rory> gopi: That way I know if it's a problem with your user configuraqtion, or a problem with the whole program
[11:53] <Rory> !grub | md_nfs
[11:53] <gopi> ok... i'll try it from guest user and tell you
[11:54] <gopi>  umbrello    --geometry 600x400+0+0
[11:54] <gopi> this solves my problem now
[11:54] <gopi> thank you
[11:59] <jotanpls> So I've installed Awesome WM but can't figure out how to change background yet
[11:59] <jotanpls> how do I go about
[12:01] <Rory> jotanpls: I searched on Google for "awesomewm change desktop background" and found this page http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/My_first_awesome#Change_the_background_image
[12:02] <Rory> jotanpls: You edit the theme.lua config file in the directory for your chosen theme, and add/edit a line like:  theme.wallpaper_cmd = { "awsetbg /usr/share/awesome/themes/default/background.png" }
[12:11] <kaifat> Hi everybody
[12:12] <mariappp> #perl
[12:13] <mariappp> hi
[12:13] <mariappp> someone know about perl?
[12:14] <kaifat> I don't know #perl channel?
[12:14] <she_dyed> j #perl put a slash in front mariappp
[12:17] <SteveBell> hi all. any idea how to fix those permission issues? line 18-22 http://pastebin.com/EM9rhetZ
[12:17] <Segfault_> Hello. Is there any good graphical software to create custom keyboard layouts? I have tried using xkbmap but that is not good enough. I want a graphical representation of the layout
[12:18] <jotanpls> Segfault_: define " not good enough "
[12:18] <jotanpls> Segfault_: just run $ set xkbmap [keymap of choice]
[12:19] <Segfault_> jotanpls: I found it had a steep learning curve and it was difficult to see the exact result after defining the files.
[12:19] <jotanpls> Segfault_:  what are you running if I may ask :) ?
[12:20] <Segfault_> jotanpls: My goal is to start with a standard english colemak layout and customize it to make norwegian characters easier to type
[12:20] <Segfault_> jotanpls: What I am running? Ubuntu Gnome 13.10
[12:21] <Segfault_> Gnome 2.x had a graphical utility for this, but since Unity/Gnome Shell there is no tool for this
[12:22] <SteveBell> anybody an idea?
[12:26] <Segfault_> SteveBell: The user that is running the program does not have access to those folders. You can try "chmod o+rx" but that will give everyone with access to the system read access to those folders
[12:26] <OerHeks> SteveBell, sounds like this issue, http://askubuntu.com/questions/150909/plex-wont-enter-my-home-directory-or-other-partitions
[12:26] <OerHeks> add plex to your usersgroup
[12:28] <trekkme> anyone familiar with deadbeef 0.6.1? I dont get filebrowser plugin running, in 0.5.6 it works fine
[12:28] <SteveBell> OerHeks: exactly. I just stumbled upon this as well
[12:29] <Arceye> lo
[12:31] <Arceye> I need help, I am trying to get ubuntu 12.04 running but it is running like a bag of crap on a AMD ahtlon64 3700+ with 2Gb Ram and ati 3600HD gfx card
[12:31] <OerHeks> Segfault_, this gui tool looks like what you need > http://simos.info/blog/archives/747/comment-page-1
[12:31] <dwarder> Arceye: why so old version
[12:32] <dwarder> Arceye: what exactly doesn
[12:32] <dwarder> work
[12:32] <OerHeks> Arceye, i can imagine that, ati 2xxx/3xxx/4xxx are no longer supported by the ati closed source driver
[12:32] <Arceye> my understanding is that 12.04 is LTS which means its not experimental like newer versions
[12:32] <bitness64> Arceye: HDD issue? maybe bad sectors are making it hard to read.
[12:33] <Segfault_> OerHeks: Thanks, I have already tried that one, but I will try again. Had a problem with some dependecies, specifically "Antlr 3.1.2 Runtime environment for Python"
[12:33] <Arceye> I am looking to replace winXP, but I want ubuntu to just be able to run smooth
[12:34] <Arceye> the same hardware fly's along running XP
[12:34] <bitness64> Arceye: are you duel booting on the same drive?
[12:34] <Arceye> no
[12:34] <Arceye> not dual booting at all
[12:37] <Arceye> it just feels like I need an i7 just to run ubuntu
[12:40] <wheatthin> Arceye, have you got a decent graphics card installed?
[12:40] <Arceye> I have ati 3600HD
[12:40] <wheatthin> what's your other hardware specifications?
[12:40] <Arceye> amd64 3700+ 2Gb ram
[12:41] <wheatthin> ok that should run fine with ubuntu actually
[12:42] <wheatthin> which version of ubuntu are you using?
[12:42] <jozefk> I did a fresh install on HDD, Ubuntu 12.0 LTS 64bit. Installed nVidia drivers. Rebooted. Had some problem with starting X after that but I fixed that. Now I attached the external monitor through HDMI and I see the desktop background image on it and I can move the cursor to it. Cursor becomes big, black X. And that's all what happens there. What am I missing?
[12:42] <Arceye> wheatthin i'm afraid it doesn't, I am trying to run 12.04
[12:42] <OerHeks> single core, and ati3xxxx which is unsupported by the ati driver ?
[12:45] <Arceye> so my options are buy a better PC ? to run an OS which claims to run well on older hardware ?
[12:46] <wheatthin> no.. buy an updated graphics card, or switch to xubuntu
[12:46] <kostkon> Arceye: it doesn't claim that. it's just a graphics driver problem
[12:46] <OerHeks> Arceye, you could run xubuntu, which is a light desktop, but don't expect Youtube to run flawlessly on a single core
[12:46] <kostkon> Arceye: your cpu and gpu are fine for ubuntu in general
[12:47] <Arceye> sorry for the negative mind.   but I tried Lubuntu and it was almost useless even the most basic things were almost impossible for me to do...    is xubuntu better ?
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> Arceye: what were you having issue with in Lubuntu?
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> Arceye: Xubuntu has slightly more functionality, does more hand holding than Lubuntu
[12:51] <HdJ-> bonjour :)
[12:51] <Arceye> silly things like, I run dual monitor 2 monitors each with different resolution  , I managed to get it to work but the desktop background would not stretch correcltey
[12:51] <Arceye> I couldnt get to system adminsitration , the option wasn't in menu's
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> Arceye: its under preferences or system tools, its all there
[12:54] <Arceye> give me a minute to boot into it and i'll look again
[13:02] <Arceye> oh another hardware issue I have which wasn't supported in lubuntu was 4 channel sound :(
[13:12] <ddssc> anyone knows how exactly I'm supposed to use this? http://datatables.net/plug-ins/api#fnColumnIndexToVisible
[13:17] <Androo> I'd like to have one of my Upstart services start after an init.d script (basically, it depends on redis-server, and redis-server on 12.04 uses an init.d script).  Obviously the init.d script doesn't emit signals, and I'd rather not modify it.  Is there any good solution, short of writing my own Upstart script for redis?
[13:34] <lucasredsn0w> hdon: :)
[13:41] <Jpmh> I have a process, happens to be perl, that forked and then backticked to /usr/sbin/tor, this process is 2125, it created an sh as 2126 and this created 2127 running tor.    I thought kill INT,-2125 would do it but I get the message no such job -2125
[13:41] <biella> Most writers manage to get by because, as the deadline creeps closer, their fears of turning in nothing eventually surpasses their fears of turning in something terrible. But I’ve watched a surprising number of young journalists wreck, or nearly wreck, their careers by simply failing to hand in articles.  Rather, they seem to be paralyzed by
[13:41] <biella> the prospect of writing something that isn’t very good.
[13:41] <biella> oppps
[13:41] <lucasredsn0w> Jpmh: pkill <process-name>
[13:43] <GPHemsley> Is there a way to move all windows of an application to another workspace at the same time?
[13:44] <Jpmh> lucasredsn0w: do not want to do that - can't kill the perl process because there may be other processes
[13:44] <lucasredsn0w> Oh
[13:44] <lucasredsn0w> kill <PID>
[13:44] <lucasredsn0w> kill 2125
[13:45] <Jpmh> lucasredsn0w:  no - killing 2125 will kill it and make it defunct but it will not take the group with it.  this is the whole reason I did the minus sign to get the grouo
[13:46] <lucasredsn0w> Disgusting..
[13:46] <lucasredsn0w> Can you open the "System Monitor" and find out the process?
[13:46] <Jpmh> lucasredsn0w: what?
[13:46] <lucasredsn0w> the gnome system monitor
[13:47] <Jpmh> lucasredsn0w: I tell you what there proesses are - see my initial questiom, they are 2125..2127
[13:47] <wheatthin> he needs to SIGHUP instead of just killing
[13:47] <Jpmh> wheatthin: let me try that - standby
[13:47] <lucasredsn0w> yeah
[13:49] <Jpmh> wheatthin: NO - if I do that with the postive pirocess ID it is like the INT, I just loose the ONE bot the group
[13:50] <Jpmh> the problem seems to be that I don't understand the man page that says - sign will kill the group - but when I do it, it objects
[13:51] <wheatthin> does it object cause you're not owner of the process?
[13:52] <wheatthin> if so, then use sudo with the command
[13:52] <Jpmh> I am the owner - that's why I can kill them individually
[13:54] <wheatthin> Jpmh, try this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/392022/best-way-to-kill-all-child-processes
[13:57] <OerHeks> Jpmh, maybe this answer is any help killing tor without losing other processes http://askubuntu.com/questions/355959/killing-tor-causes-all-the-present-and-future-windows-to-loose-the-frames
[13:59] <safrir> how can i know what's mounted or located in a /dev/johnny/00 ?  i'm having troubles finding the fs i need to fsck
[14:00] <Rory> safrir: you can type "mount" to see what's mounted
[14:00] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: mount
[14:00] <Yokobr> hi guys, i have a "broken" laptop, and i'm trying to use it as a torrent server. I had 100% system resources gone with Window$ and i'm wondering if linux would make any difference, since i guess that the main problem is on HDD I/O...
[14:01] <safrir> hitsujiTMO:  i type mount and I dont see any of the /dev/file i'm dealing with
[14:01] <wheatthin> Yokobr, you can try making a bootable liveusb
[14:01] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: if its a /dev then just run the fsck directly on that
[14:01] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: running: sudo blkid                   could help identify the right one
[14:02] <wheatthin> But i'd suggest replacing the hard drive.. cause you'll burn out your usb drive
[14:02] <wheatthin> torrenting*
[14:02] <Jpmh> wheatthin: the page you refered me to says to do EXACTLY what I am doing, negative process ID, and this is what gives me the error
[14:02] <wheatthin> are you sure you're using the right process id?
[14:02] <wheatthin> :)
[14:03] <Jpmh> OerHeks: this is not tor specific - I have tested.  It is true ALWAYS, I need a way to kill the process AND its children as the kill with neagive process ID is documented as doing
[14:03] <Jpmh> wheatthin: yes - beacuase if I do the same process ID without the negative sign sure enough it kills it
[14:04] <Jpmh> whea
[14:04] <Yokobr> wheatthin, i'm trying to do not waste any money on this. I'm just wondering if linux could do a better job.
[14:04] <Jpmh> wheatthin: I also tried - - (that is two minuesses) in case the shell was taking the first as meaning it was a command option
[14:04] <yeats> safrir: if you're using lvs, you need to fsck the logical volume
[14:04] <hitsujiTMO> Jpmh: have you run kill on the same process without the negative sign already?
[14:05] <Jpmh> hitsujiTMO: yes - and it works - I do BTW keep bringing this all back up of course when I have killed parts of it in this testing
[14:06] <Jpmh> the problem seems to be that I am noit understanding the man page for kill
[14:06] <yeats> s/lvs/lvm/ - but looks like safrir has left :-/
[14:07] <safrir> hitsujiTMO: i did a fsck on it, now i get  fsck.ext4: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to re-open  /dev/...
[14:07] <hitsujiTMO> Jpmh: so if you kill the process, then its already dead ... running kill on non existing process will give you that error
[14:07] <yeats> safrir: are you using lvm?
[14:07] <safrir> yeats: yea
[14:07] <yeats> safrir: then you need to fsck the logical volume itself
[14:08] <safrir> yeats: i think i did, in blkid it says that dev/mapper is TYPE="ext4"
[14:08] <yeats> oh - ok
[14:09] <safrir> what shall i do? it's a 2TB drive with many files i didn't backup yet
[14:09] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: can you: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && dmesg | pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/syslog
[14:09] <Jpmh> hitsujiTMO: correct - that's why after doing a test with a positive signal I restart the things so that it is alive and I get a new group of three to kill - I DO check that tge process is there with a PS first too
[14:09] <safrir> yea
[14:10] <Jpmh> hitsujiTMO: for example, right now I have 2340, 2341 and 2342 as the group, 2340 having created 41 etc.  If I kill 2340, it will become a zombie becasase 2341 is still alive, if I kill -2340 I get the error message
[14:11] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: that should return 2 urls. can you copy the urls here please
[14:14] <Jpmh> wheatthin: OerHeks and hitsujiTMO  - I thank you all for your attempts to help.  I will come back later and see if anyone else understands kill better than we all apparently do.  Thank You all
[14:18] <safrir> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/QxdbSVT0  http://pastebin.com/mQNz5HNi
[14:22] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: the hard drive is dead
[14:22] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: lots of IO errors
[14:22] <hitsujiTMO> safrir:  end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 468274680
[14:22] <safrir> hitsujiTMO: but i don't see it in smart
[14:23] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: its in your dmesg
[14:23] <safrir> hitsujiTMO: is it possible to test it?
[14:23] <gordonjcp> safrir: smart is not useful
[14:23] <safrir> hitsujiTMO: what can i do to some something?
[14:23] <gordonjcp> safrir: the line that hitsujiTMO pointed out means absolutely that the drive has failed
[14:24] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: from the errors it doesn't even seem possible to ddrescue. You've lost your data i'm afraid
[14:24] <safrir> can i dd the drive ?
[14:25] <gordonjcp> safrir: is it an external drive?
[14:25] <gordonjcp> safrir: maybe try replacing the cable
[14:25] <safrir> gordonjcp: internal
[14:26] <safrir> gordonjcp: ok
[14:27] <gordonjcp> safrir: think it's a lost cause then
[14:28] <safrir> gordonjcp: it died so suddenly without a warning, i had two OS problems i had to solve, and suddenly this
[14:28] <gordonjcp> safrir: yup, that's what happens
[14:29] <safrir> gordonjcp: but the timing is so odd, i installed some gpu drivers i totally should have had, then mouse froze on a drag and drop as it occassionaly happens, i switched to another tty and tried to restart x, then rebooted, and the hd is dead!?
[14:30] <safrir> can i save any data?
[14:30] <safrir> rescue
[14:33] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: unlikely. as gordonjcp said, try another another sata cable in case that is faulty. Not much you can do beyond that
[14:35] <batfastad> Hi everyone. Trying to create a RAID array of mixed drives, 2x 512B and 2x 4096B. Do I need to worry about partition alignment, RAID superblock alignment, then LVM alignment on top as these links suggest... http://askubuntu.com/a/19572 and http://tytso.livejournal.com/2009/02/20/
[14:36] <dupingping> happy Valentine's Day!
[14:36] <OerHeks> uh oh, is that today?
[14:37] <dupingping> yes it is.
[14:37] <hitsujiTMO> batfastad: aligning is pretty much redundant these days. It would be an optional choice and would removed some of the nag messages from partition tools
[14:37] <dfrank> hi guys. Assume I have some gui application running: how can I get actual path to the file that is running?
[14:37] <batfastad> hitsujiTMO: yeah was wondering if mdadm/lvm would just handle that for me these days
[14:38] <dfrank> it is useful when some application is called by another gui application, and I want to know how can I actually run this (second) application without first one
[14:38] <dupingping> dfrank: what? detail, and I think that you may use <xwininfo>
[14:39] <hitsujiTMO> batfastad: main thing to worry about is the raid block size, which the defaults are usually suitable for everything anyway
[14:40] <dfrank> dupingping: it actually shows some geometry stuff, but doesn't show the command
[14:41] <tyler_d> happy friday all
[14:41] <dupingping> dfrank: you may get it's process id?
[14:41] <batfastad> hitsujiTMO: I was going for RAID 10 and I believe the default stripe is 64k, which mathmatically works for 4k drives and 512B. But this link http://askubuntu.com/a/19572 suggests that you need to take into account eh RAID superblock which can push the alignment off
[14:41] <dfrank> dupingping: probably there is some log where I can see all the events, then running new application should be logged too
[14:42] <dfrank> dupingping: process id... let me think
[14:43] <dupingping> all window have it's process id, and you can get a filename about process id.
[14:44] <hitsujiTMO> batfastad: if you're not running on SSDs then its not going to make a difference, if your running on SSDs then it will make a non noticable difference
[14:44] <hitsujiTMO> dfrank: assuming the app is xchat: ps axe | grep xchat
[14:46] <dfrank> hitsujiTMO: unfortunately I don't know the process title. Everything I see is some "user" title that is shown in the window title
[14:46] <dfrank> hitsujiTMO: this title isn't returned by ps axe
[14:47] <dfrank> hitsujiTMO: even GUI system monitor doesn't show these titles, unfortunately
[14:48] <batfastad> hitsujiTMO: ok great, thanks for that
[14:49] <dfrank> hitsujiTMO: yes, I got PID by xprop!
[14:49] <dfrank> dupingping: ^
[14:50] <hitsujiTMO> dfrank: sweet, now try: ps axe | grep <pid>             and see if you get anything interesting
[14:52] <sandman13> does mint shares ubuntu's repos?
[14:53] <sandman13> *share
[14:53] <hitsujiTMO> sandman13: no
[14:53] <hitsujiTMO> !mint | sandman13
[14:53] <ActionPa1snip> sandman13: it uses some ubuntu repos
[14:53] <hitsujiTMO> o.O it does?
[14:54] <ActionPa1snip> hitsujiTMO: sure, look at people's sudo apt-get update outputs on Mint forums
[14:54] <cantstanya> you guys are quitters
[14:54] <ActionPa1snip> still not supported here
[14:54] <compdoc> I havent quit, yet
[14:54] <cantstanya> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
[14:54] <cantstanya> seriously
[14:54] <ActionPa1snip> cantstanya: quitters of what?
[14:54] <cantstanya> how could you give in
[14:54] <DJones> cantstanya: Thats a discussion for #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:54] <cantstanya> to poettering.
[14:54] <hitsujiTMO> i see it does. interesting
[14:55] <sandman13> that means installing packages in mint will take me forever if i install it
[14:55] <cantstanya> DJones: where I was banned by IdleOne because he's jealous of my beauty
[14:55] <ActionPa1snip> cantstanya: is this about pulseaudio?
[14:55] <cantstanya> ActionPa1snip: no?
[14:57] <cantstanya> I was already like "wow, how did upstart lose, you had it in the bag" and now this
[14:57] <ActionPa1snip> cantstanya: im sure there was a rationale
[14:57] <hitsujiTMO> !OT | cantstanya
[14:57] <cantstanya> hitsujiTMO: again, I'm banned from there because IdleOne is jealous of my beauty
[14:57] <Pici> cantstanya: Just because you are banned from our offtopic channel does not mean that you have a free pass to be offtopic in our other channels. How about trying to resolve your ban instead.
[14:57] <ActionPa1snip> cantstanya: you are also forgetting that we are users, just like you so your rants are directed at the wrong people, so are worthless
[14:58] <hitsujiTMO> cantstanya: still no reason to discuss it here. this is a support channel
[14:58] <DJones> cantstanya: As I said earlier, its not a topic for discussion in #ubuntu, this channel is only for support issues
[14:58] <cantstanya> ActionPa1snip: but the users should stand up
[14:58] <dupingping> dfrank: what about?
[15:00] <gordonjcp> oh, systemd
[15:00] <gordonjcp> so is there going to be a fork of Ubuntu without a backdoor?
[15:00] <dfrank> hitsujiTMO: thanks!
[15:00] <jpds> gordonjcp: wut.
[15:00] <DJones> gordonjcp: #ubuntu-offtopic for discussion
[15:01] <dfrank> dupingping: thanks!
[15:02] <dfrank> dupingping: actually command with params was returned by this command:    xprop | awk '($1=="_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL)") {print $3}' | xargs ps h -o pid,cmd
[15:07] <gordonjcp> DJones: also, how is the decision to turn Ubuntu into an unsupportable mess not a support issue?
[15:08] <DJones> gordonjcp: Its been announced, but its not an imediate support issue, which is why its being pointed to -offtopic or -discuss
[15:08] <Itherian> hi
[15:09] <Itherian> anyone here?
[15:09] <gordonjcp> DJones: fair enough
[15:09] <gordonjcp> Itherian: lots of people
[15:09] <Itherian> good I have a question
[15:09] <Itherian> please
[15:09] <Itherian> How do I get to Global compiler settings?
[15:10] <Itherian> I been searching online and unable to find out hoe
[15:11] <tomreyn> Itherian: global compiler settings? global to what, and which compiler?
[15:11] <Itherian> gcc
[15:12] <Itherian> I need to change a directory that it searches in
[15:13] <tomreyn> hmm i'm not sure this channel provides support with C development and building software.
[15:13] <bviktor> any reason for ubuntu 13.10 amd64 not showing windows when i select 'something else' during partitioning? how do i fix this?
[15:13] <Itherian> ok what channel I need I am new to this
[15:13] <bviktor> even though it's clearly visible under 'Disks"
[15:14] <tomreyn> Itherian: #c sounds like a good choice
[15:14] <Itherian> awesome thanx
[15:14] <bviktor> i can even browse the windows partition, but the installer's only offer is to erase the whole disk because it's empty
[15:15] <MrElendig> #!/usr/bin/env python2
[15:15] <MrElendig> bha failpaste
[15:15] <ActionPa1snip> cantstanya: what I have works, so i'm happy
[15:15] <MrElendig> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316  there we go
[15:16] <diecastarts> heyhey, asked this on other channels but still waiting for answer. but any I need help safely symlink steam to my other steam libraries .. like on my Windows Partition, or the one on my external hard-drive
[15:17] <hitsujiTMO> bviktor: you've either installed ubuntu as legacy/bios and booted ubuntu in uefi, or installed windows in uefi and booted ubuntu in legacy/bios
[15:17] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | MrElendig
[15:18] <Maurice_la_sauci> Hello, does someone know that when I usb transfer certain file (like a movie of 1GB+) it goes fast but other files like a small video of 200MB it goes damn slow?
[15:19] <nikolam> Maurice_la_sauci, same like in floppy days. large files saving was fast,, many small files took forever.
[15:20] <nikolam> solution is to ZIP files
[15:20] <MrElendig> 200mb is large enough that caching and seek time is non-relevant
[15:20] <odroid> Hi guyz, I'm testing my new U3 board
[15:22] <diecastarts> Has anyone here been playing around with steam??. because i need help to symlink steam to my other steam libraries
[15:22] <ikonia> you don't symlink steam binaries to libraries
[15:22] <MrElendig> diecastarts: you mean you want to use the steam library you eg have on windows under ubuntu?
[15:22] <diecastarts> meaning folders where the games are
[15:22] <MrElendig> if so, no, you can not do that
[15:23] <diecastarts> yes MrElendig
[15:23] <MrElendig> you have to link the actual appfolder inside the library instead
[15:24] <diecastarts> yeah thats what i need help with.. not sure what folder and actually help with the command
[15:24] <diecastarts> i been reading up on it.. but everyone says different things
[15:24] <bviktor> hitsujiTMO, wrong bet, it won't show the windows partition neither in legacy nor uefi
[15:24] <diecastarts> and i was worried because one person did say if done wrong it can break the steam games
[15:26] <bviktor> is there no alternate installer for 13.10?
[15:26] <Maurice_la_sauci> nikolam: should I compress files inside my external drive?
[15:27] <trijntje> Maurice_la_sauci: 200 MB is a big file, so that can't be it. Are you trying to copy from ntfs, thats always slow
[15:27] <trijntje> or maybe you are using a usb-3 port one time, and usb-2 when its slow?
[15:28] <MrElendig> diecastarts: link the steamApps folder
[15:28] <hitsujiTMO> bviktor: no, the alt installer has been merged into the desktop iso
[15:28] <Maurice_la_sauci> trijntje: yes the external drive is NTFS formated, is it because of that ?
[15:28] <nikolam> Maurice_la_sauci, best solution is to check how it goes with another usb drive. (is it flash spindles). Also different file systems bihave differently with small files. But as someone said, 200MB are not so small files, so. something else could be checked too
[15:28] <OerHeks> bviktor, i assume when no partition is showed, you have 4 primairy partitions
[15:29] <MrElendig> diecastarts: ~/.steam/steam/SteamApps on gnu/linux
[15:29] <nikolam> Maurice_la_sauci, implamentation on Linux uses NTFS via FUSE userspace driver, and FUSE IS slow.
[15:29] <nikolam> Better use EXT3, par example and File system driver on Windows side.
[15:29] <bviktor> OerHeks, nope
[15:30] <bviktor> a single ntfs partition using half of disk space
[15:30] <MrElendig> I would hook the disk up to the network as a nas instead if possible
[15:30] <OerHeks> bviktor, how big is this single ntfs ? >1024 mb?
[15:30] <glambert> is there a way to grant executable permissions to a file in /root to a non-root user without giving access to everything?
[15:31] <MrElendig> glambert: man 5 ACL
[15:31] <MrElendig> glambert: but really, don't do this
[15:31] <MrElendig> glambert: put the file somewhere else instead
[15:31] <diecastarts> MrElendig, I am still a newbie with command line
[15:32] <MrElendig> glambert: probably better to put it in /sbin, and give the user access trough sudo to run it
[15:32] <MrElendig> asuming this is a tool that requires root power to urn
[15:32] <MrElendig> run*
[15:32] <diecastarts> you mean  ~/.steam/steam/SteamApps on gnu/linux <<--replace that with folder where the games areor steamapps folder is
[15:32] <genii> Or /usr/local/bin
[15:32] <bviktor> oh great, gparted says:
[15:32] <glambert> MrElendig, doesn't require root, it's just in there as part of a repository of scripts, this one in particular I want to run as part of an Icinga check
[15:32] <Maurice_la_sauci> thank you guys, going to format that into EXT3 so
[15:33] <bviktor> /dev/sda contains GPT signatures indicating that it has a GPT table. However, it has a fake msdos partition table as it should
[15:33] <glambert> hence the preference to keep it where it is
[15:33] <nikolam> I have a situation where NetworkManager on 13.10 64bit can not control LAN card, after changing motherboard (I can set it up now as eth2 in /etc/network/interfaces) and bring it up by issuing sudo ifup eth2, but it does not bring it up after reboot and Network manager does not see eth2. (saying disabled even if set up in it)
[15:33] <blackduck> buona sera a tutti
[15:33] <bviktor> OerHeks, of course it's bigger than 1024MB, windows doesn't really fit in 1024MB
[15:33] <Pici> !it | blackduck
[15:33] <bviktor> it's a 512GB SSD, 256GB being allocated to windows
[15:34] <OerHeks> bviktor, sorry 1024 gb or 1 tb
[15:34] <MrElendig> glambert: if it doesn't require root then don't keep it in /root to begin with
[15:34] <OerHeks> that would explain gpt
[15:34] <Maurice_la_sauci> still don't really get why is some folders transfer fast and other damn slow when they are both same size approx. :/
[15:35] <andybrine> afternoon guys
[15:35] <genii> Maurice_la_sauci: When a file is stored in many different parts of the disk instead of a consecutive part, the seek times to find all the parts of it can really add up.
[15:36] <Maurice_la_sauci> genii: can we "correct" that so it goes fast for all files?
[15:36] <andybrine> I have been checking my cpu usage and it shows that gnome-settings-dameon is consistently running a about 50% does anyone know aht could cause this?
[15:37] <genii> Maurice_la_sauci: Not really. A file is just stored on the first unused part of the disk, if the unused parts are not sequential, it just puts them there anyhow
[15:38] <nikolam> Maurice_la_sauci, depending on usb disk used (HD or flash) it could be seek times and more files need more operations
[15:39] <Maurice_la_sauci> alright, thank you for you explanations
[15:40] <gr33n7007h> what is :+ (1..10).map {|n| n**3}.inject(:+)
[15:40] <nikolam> genial, where Linux file systems are better to windows/ntfs, linux choose to put files in whole in part of the space where they can fit as whole and windows put files chunks in order, therefore, fragmenting files. As long as Linux partitions and disks are not filled up over 87% or so, Linux FSs are imune to fragmentation of files.
[15:40] <gr33n7007h> oops wrong channel
[15:40] <andybrine> gnome-setting-daemon takes up all my cpu usage, does any know why?
[15:40] <nikolam> but the same, files could be on opposite sides of spindle disks etc
[15:40] <diecastarts> NM
[15:42] <nikolam> Maurice_la_sauci, operating speed on many small files versus smaller number of large files, also depend on file system and implementation and FS options used, whatever hardware disk is.
[15:43] <Maurice_la_sauci> "FS" options?
[15:43] <researcher123>  after installing buntu 12.04 how to install windows on the remaining partition?
[15:44] <nikolam> yes, does one uses journaling (ext3) or not (ext2) , transparent compression (Btrfs and ZFS) or not (XFS) etc
[15:44] <andybrine> Can anyone here be of assistance
[15:44] <andybrine> ?
[15:45] <genii> researcher123: Normally it's done in the other order so that GRUB sees Windows is installed and makes a boot entry for it. But what you can do is boot the livecd after installing Windows and re-install GRUB to the MBR
[15:45] <researcher123> genii: ok.thanks
[15:46] <nikolam> researcher123, you could do it smarter way, like first installing windows and then adding ubuntu. but nevermind, you can re-install grub2 after booting from live cd. see ubuntu wiki for instructions.
[15:46] <davividal> hi. I'm using 12.04. Is it possible to update Gtk from 3.4.2 to 3.10.x? Is it safe to update?
[15:46] <ikonia> no
[15:46] <ikonia> it's not a safe update
[15:47] <davividal> ikonia: it's not possible and it's not safe?
[15:47] <ikonia> davividal: little bit of both,
[15:47] <ActionPa1snip> davividal: there is a PPA, it's not safe and the packages are not the official ones from the Ubuntu repos
[15:47] <davividal> ActionPa1snip: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 ?
[15:47] <jpds> davividal: Basically, you're breaking your warranty seal.
[15:48] <nikolam> davividal, it just is not worth it. I used to do that with LTS before, compiling even my packages up to extent, and it is just better to update whole distro.
[15:48] <ikonia> it's more than that because of the depends on gtk
[15:48] <ActionPa1snip> davividal: exactly but we canot support packages from that PPA (or ANY PPA) in here
[15:49] <ActionPa1snip> davividal: Trusty uses Gnome 3.10, you could just upgrade to Trusty in April and get that (or use the pre-release Trusty now).
[15:49] <davividal> hm... OK, let me explain my 'problem': I'm doing a little learning-project in Gtk3 (+ Python, FWIW), and I want to use some components from 3.10. Apart from VirtualBox, is there any alternative?
[15:49] <nikolam> that is because Linux does not give you binary compatibility. When kernel changes, everything needs to be recompiled. Therefore, using newer packages on old distro needs them recompiled for older release, it is called Backporting and is done by support contract.
[15:50] <jpds> When the kernel changes, not much needs to be recompiled.
[15:50] <nikolam> (endless chain of depending libraries that needs to be recompiled for new version of apps, too)
[15:50] <jpds> And no, backports are not done by support contract.
[15:51] <nikolam> jpds, well, it is mostly not true for important applications. jpds . It goes for kernel of the release. Not new fresh kernel. (like from 2.8 to 3.11)
[15:51] <mads-> I have just removed Ubuntu from my brothers laptop and now I can't boot into Windows. Can I with a Ubuntu live CD somehow fix the laptops MBR to use the Windows MBR thingy again and make it works as normal?
[15:51] <ikonia> davividal: what's the issue with using gtk from the distro you are using ?
[15:51] <ikonia> mads-: should fix it with the windows cd
[15:52] <MrElendig> davividal: you could use lxc, which is much cheaper, or just build gnome 3.10 or 3.12(devel) in $HOME
[15:52] <ActionPa1snip> mads-: you will need a WIndows CD to reinstate the Windows boot loader, the guys in ##Windows will be able to advise
[15:52] <Aleksei__> nikolam: Actually, new kernel doesn't mean that you need to recompile everything. In fact, you only have to recompile kernel modules. The Linux kernel has a very stable userspace ABI.
[15:52] <jpds> nikolam: You can install newer kernels from newer releases on 12.04.
[15:52] <jhutchins> mads-: You could re-install grub to let it boot windows, but probably best to do a windows mbr fix.
[15:52] <nikolam> jpds, well backports are mostly done by people being paid to support and do security updates, Backporting is hard, that is why you mostly get just bugfixes and security updates in long term releases)
[15:52] <jhutchins> mads-: You could probably ask in #windows if you need a source.
[15:52] <andybrine> does anyone know if it is wise to uninstall gnome-settings-deamon?
[15:53] <jpds> nikolam: No, it is not.
[15:53] <yeats> andybrine: why do you want to?
[15:53] <jpds> nikolam: Read your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
[15:53] <jpds> nikolam: Read the -backports section.
[15:53] <davividal> ikonia: the component I'm trying to use is not shipped with 3.4.2
[15:53] <jpds> nikolam: "Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security team."
[15:53] <nikolam> Aleksei__, yeah, right, and that is why Companies that offer long time support on Linux, does not change kernel relese during lifetime. It goes only for kernel subversion. For new version,. you get new distributioin release..
[15:54] <yeats> davividal: I would use virtualbox if it were me
[15:54] <jpds> nikolam: Dude.
[15:54] <masajjad> guys I'm trying to use Ububtu server on my latop as the access server for my cisco rotuers and swtiches
[15:54] <jpds> nikolam: NOTHING you're saying is true.
[15:54] <masajjad> can acces the devices using minicom program
[15:54] <andybrine> yeats it was taking up 50% cpu usage all the time
[15:54] <masajjad> want to do ser2net
[15:54] <andybrine> slowing down my computer
[15:54] <jpds> nikolam: Go and read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support
[15:54] <davividal> yeats: why not lxc?
[15:54] <nikolam> jpds, and yet, Everything is. Try running binaries compiled for Kernel 2.8 on kernel 3.11. Will NOT work.!
[15:54] <davividal> MrElendig: lxc looks interesting
[15:54] <ikonia> davividal: you'd be better doing it from 13.10 then
[15:54] <yeats> davividal: lxc?
[15:55] <masajjad> telnet <IP_ADDRESS> to_a_port not taking but telnet <IP_ADDRESS> working
[15:55] <davividal> yeats: MrElendig suggested it: http://linuxcontainers.org/
[15:55] <masajjad> iptables rules empty
[15:55] <Aleksei__> nikolam: you can easily install a new kernel from, say, Debian unstable to Debian stable.
[15:55] <yeats> davividal: oh - yeah - what I mean is I would use a virtual machine - for most(?) that means virtualbox, but whatever works ;-)
[15:55] <masajjad> connection being refused ... looks like no port is open when i did netstat
[15:55] <MrElendig> "soon" you can use systemd-nspawn instead of lxc, which arguably is even better for simple tasks
[15:55] <jpds> nikolam: So, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support#A12.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support - explain how we're going to have kernels 3.2 - 3.13 in 12.04 without recompiling everything?
[15:55] <nikolam> jpds, I had graphics also with binary drivers from ATI/AMD that worked only up to Ubuntu 8.04. So I could not use hardware on 10.04. Believe me, that why.. Linux kernel does not let you use pld binaries.
[15:56] <MrElendig> but building gnome in $HOME is pretty easy
[15:56] <Aleksei__> nikolam: companies you are talking about don't change any software, because new versions can have regressions and new bugs.
[15:56] <jpds> nikolam: Yes, that's kernel *modules*, not applications.
[15:56] <nikolam> jpds, it is important to run something that is supportable, not just "any kernel you want". If it is suported, then go for it,
[15:56] <hydra7> why ppa is frowned upon?
[15:56] <yeats> andybrine: I would try and discover *why* that's happening.  I would assume that attempts to uninstall it would result in apt dependency hell
[15:57] <jpds> hydra7: Because there's no way of controlling what changes on the system.
[15:57] <nikolam> jpds, and it also goes for applications. Just grab some old binaries and try them...
[15:57] <andybrine> lol, yeah. ubuntu needs it
[15:57] <davividal> ikonia: if I upgrade for anything but LTS, I will "lose the warranty" from the IT guy. I don't see how an upgrade like that could cause me problems, but better safe than sorry.
[15:57] <yeats> andybrine: meaning that APT would probably uninstall GNOME altogether
[15:57] <ikonia> hydra7: because people don't know how to build and maintain software safely against the core OS - there are some that are good, but very very few
[15:57] <ikonia> davividal: use a VM
[15:57] <andybrine> also whats strage is pulseaudio runs a 50% cpu usage at times
[15:58] <Aleksei__> nikolam: binaries from older distribution versions may not work, because some libraries are missing, but not because the kernel is newer. (To a certain extent, of course.)
[15:58] <andybrine> yeats, thats why I was worries about uninstalling it
[15:58] <andybrine> lol
[15:58] <hydra7> ikonia: i want to install Cinnamon 2.0 but it uses Mint's repositories
[15:58] <xp1990> andybrine pulse audio has a terrible "nice" value
[15:58] <masajjad> configured ser2net.conf not opening ports for telnet, can telnet <IP_ADDRESS> localhost or by IP from abother computer on the LAN. But, telnet localhost 2525 (eg) not working  ... iptables rules empty ... any advise what to check?
[15:58] <ikonia> hydra7: don't do it
[15:58] <yeats> andybrine: yeah - you should look into what those processes are doing when they're running so hot
[15:58] <ikonia> hydra7: use mint
[15:58] <nikolam> Well, it is firstly because kernel is newer. one can always recompile older binaries. But if you also do not recompile application, regarding new kernel, it WONT work!
[15:58] <hydra7> ikonia: why?
[15:59] <ikonia> hydra7: for the reasons I just stated
[15:59] <nikolam> Like so, VmWare for linux recompiles parts of it after kernel update, Why? Because kernel changed.
[15:59] <ikonia> nikolam: the kernel has no relevence to binaries
[15:59] <andybrine> yeats: yeah I will look into that
[15:59] <ikonia> nikolam: it's a kernel module interface
[15:59] <ikonia> nikolam: not an application
[15:59] <jpds> nikolam: Because VMware uses kernel modules.
[15:59] <nikolam> ikonia, ok, just as you think when i would be surprised...
[15:59] <masajjad> configured ser2net.conf not opening ports for telnet, can telnet <IP_ADDRESS> localhost or by IP from abother computer on the LAN. But, telnet localhost 2525 (eg) not working  ... iptables rules empty ... any advise what to check?
[15:59] <xp1990> andybrine there is literally a program called `renice`
[15:59] <ikonia> nikolam: what ?
[16:00] <hydra7> ikonia: i would have installed mint but no local repos
[16:00] <andybrine> is it possible to remove pulseaudio and replace with another sound system?
[16:00] <nikolam> jpds, and will older vmware even work on fresh new ubuntu? I don't think so.
[16:00] <xp1990> andybrine if you provide it with the PID of pulseaudio you can stop it from eating cpu
[16:00] <ikonia> nikolam: please stop
[16:00] <andybrine> xp1990: excellent, thanks
[16:00] <ikonia> nikolam: it's clear you really don't know what you are saying, if you want to learn, we can talk in #ubuntu-offtopic, if but please stop giving out wrong information
[16:01] <hippyman> just installed Ubuntu  12.04  and have missing icons, example  my terminal icon is blank white
[16:01] <nikolam> Linux does not give you binary compatibility assurances on any level. also ikonia, differentiat between binaries and apps
[16:01] <andybrine> will i need to run that all the time after a reboot?
[16:01] <nikolam> ikonia, i can only say, you do not look things right.
[16:01] <ikonia> nikolam: you are wrong and don't understand what you are saying about ABI and API
[16:01] <masajjad> configured ser2net.conf not opening ports for telnet, can telnet <IP_ADDRESS> localhost or by IP from abother computer on the LAN. But, telnet localhost 2525 (eg) not working  ... iptables rules empty ... any advise what to check? what's the best channel otherwise... pls advise
[16:02] <nikolam> ikonia, no I am right .
[16:02] <ikonia> nikolam: ok, if you think you are right, thats fine, but please stop saying it to people in this channel as it is wrong and wrong information is not acceptable
[16:02] <Chedors_> c'est trop top aussi ><
[16:02] <nikolam> I had recently one instalaltion that I upgraded and leaved sshd ununpgraded. And sshd stopped working after kernel update. (opensuse) So you bet I am right.
[16:03] <ikonia> nikolam: so please stop, this is nothing to do with ubuntu
[16:03] <ikonia> nikolam: wrong
[16:03] <nikolam> ikonia, please stop mentioning me then
[16:03] <ikonia> nikolam: no problem, please stop talking about it, and there will be no more need for reference to you
[16:03] <Socolin> Hello, I have a strange result when displaying content of /sys/class/dmi/id/board_serial and this "lock" all apt-get command due to a script that is using this content http://pastebin.com/zMZ21QJ8
[16:05] <hippyman> why do I have missing icons? Ubuntu 12.04, fresh install and  dist upgrade
[16:05] <Aleksei__> nikolam: Please go read Documentation/ABI/stable/syscalls file in the Linux source tree.
[16:06] <ikonia> Aleksei__: best drop it, he doesn't want to know he's wrong and it's not really a problem for this channel
[16:07] <hippyman> guess no one wants to help me
[16:07] <Aleksei__> ikonia: OK. Sorry for the noise.
[16:07] <lorenzo_> Irc.explosionirc.net
[16:07] <ikonia> Aleksei__: not a problem
[16:07] <ikonia> lorenzo_: please don't advertise in here.
[16:07] <trijntje> !patience | hippyman
[16:07] <trijntje> can you be a bit more specific about whats wrong?
[16:07] <lorenzo_> sorry
[16:07] <ikonia> lorenzo_: no problem
[16:08] <hippyman> fresh install of uuntu 12.04 and I have missing icons
[16:08] <ikonia> missing from where ?
[16:08] <ikonia> what icons ?
[16:08] <trijntje> thats not more specific, which icons, where, etc
[16:10] <ghoti> I need a software recommendation.  I've got a PDF of an architectural floorplan, on which I need to place locations for Ethernet and electrical wiring.  Should I convert the PDF to some other format and do this in Dia?  Or Inkscape?  Or use something like xournal to annotate the original PDF?
[16:10] <hippyman> dash
[16:10] <hippyman> terminal icon is a blank square
[16:11] <hippyman> in the dash I have missing program icons and this is a fresh install
[16:11] <trijntje> hippyman: fresh install or did you upgrade?
[16:12] <hippyman> trij: fresh install with update
[16:12] <trijntje> update to what?
[16:12] <TJ-> hippyman: Have you logged out/logged in again and it still happens?
[16:12] <suudy> I'm not sure if this is the right spot, but had a problem come up with regard to a USB CDC ethernet device no longer working.  We see the connection in syslog when the USB device is attached, but the usual bringup of the usb0 device no longer happens.  I can manually configure it.
[16:12] <hippyman> TJ: yes
[16:13] <suudy> This is on a 12.04.4 server install (clean install).
[16:13] <suudy> Works fine on my 12.04.4 desktop.
[16:13] <TJ-> hippyman: Icons are often cached for faster access, and sometimes the cache can be incomplete for some reason.
[16:13] <hippyman> TJ : had to shut down to complete updates
[16:14] <hippyman> TJ: should I do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to fix?
[16:15] <TJ-> hippyman: No, the program responsible - as far as I recall - is gtk-update-icon-cache, but I'm not familiar with how to launch it manually to fix the issue. The man-page is online at http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/gtk-update-icon-cache.1.html
[16:15] <sandman13> if there is no local repos of ubuntu, then is it a good idea to install?
[16:15] <trijntje> hippyman: what is the output of lsb_release -a
[16:15] <TJ-> suudy: Does it need usb_modeswitch ?
[16:16] <hitsujiTMO> sandman13: what do you mean? no country level repo?
[16:16] <suudy> TJ-:  Hmmm...
[16:16] <sandman13> right hitsujiTMO
[16:16] <hitsujiTMO> sandman13: what country are you in?
[16:16] <sandman13> Nepal
[16:16] <sandman13> oh we have one
[16:17] <sandman13> i remember now
[16:17] <hitsujiTMO> sandman13: 2 repos listed under https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[16:17] <TJ-> hippyman: package installers simply do "/usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache" (with no parameters), so you might be able to fix it by doing "sudo /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache"
[16:17] <fudge2> hello
[16:18] <fudge2> i am learning to program
[16:18] <fudge2> should i oracle or a mono
[16:18] <suudy> TJ-: I don't know about usb_modeswitch.  But I didn't do anything special.  Is there a difference between server and desktop with that regard?
[16:18] <hitsujiTMO> sandman13: might be worth testing the neighbouring countries repos too if your countries repos is too slow
[16:19] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | fudge2 try a prgramming channel for sucha  question
[16:19] <suudy> TJ-: And it appears that usb_modeswitch is for multiple device USB, this is a single device.
[16:20] <suudy> Is dhclient automatically started on attached devices in server?  Perhaps that is the problem?
[16:20] <TJ-> suudy: OK, then maybe the device isn't supported on the older kernels used by 12.04; have you installed the LTS hardware enablement pack that has the latest kernels?
[16:21] <TJ-> suudy: No, not unless you've installed and configured Network Manager. You'll need entries in "/etc/network/interfaces"
[16:22] <TJ-> suudy: You can try it manually "sudo dhclient  $IFNAME&"
[16:22] <interweb> zsh autocorrection doesn't work on ubuntu . How do I can fix it ?
[16:22] <ActionPa1snip> interweb: do you mean autocomplete?
[16:23] <ActionPa1snip> interweb: when you press TAB etc
[16:23] <suudy> TJ-: Well, like I mentioned, it works fine on a 12.04 desktop device.
[16:23] <ActionPa1snip> interweb: https://scottlinux.com/2011/08/19/quick-intro-to-zsh-auto-complete/
[16:24] <TJ-> suudy: Desktop installs Network Manager, which by default will manage all interfaces
[16:24] <interweb> ActionPa1snip, No , I mean something like this :  mak install ==> make install
[16:24] <suudy> TJ-: So on server, without network manager, no inteface are managed?
[16:24] <TJ-> suudy: Server's mostly have static interfaces so the sysadmin is expected to configure it
[16:24] <interweb> ActionPa1snip, It suggested the right thing and we could use Y or N after it
[16:25] <TJ-> suudy: see https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[16:25] <suudy> TJ-: If a device is not configured in /etc/network/interfaces, it will be ignored?
[16:27] <interweb> ActionPa1snip, Did you get what do I mean ?
[16:27] <ActionPa1snip> interweb: funky feature
[16:28] <ActionPa1snip> interweb: yeah, i see what it does, pretty cool
[16:28] <TJ-> suudy: Indeed, it is the responsibility of the sysadmin to configure it
[16:28] <interweb> ActionPa1snip, It doesn't work for me . I've used archlinux before and It worked correctly on there but it doesn't work on my ubuntu .
[16:30] <SopaXorzTaker> hi?
[16:30] <interweb> ActionPa1snip, Could you help me ?
[16:30] <Anonymous> Hey
[16:30] <TJ-> interweb: If you want the zsh auto-correct feature in bash, do "shopt -s cdspell" and/or add it to the .bashrc
[16:30] <SopaXorzTaker> is this joke cool:  on a new bare linux system:  sudo apt-get install apt aptitude
[16:31] <Anonymous> Ha
[16:31] <Anonymous> I am on Anonymous OS
[16:31] <interweb> TJ-, I'm using zsh but it doesn't work for me :/
[16:32] <TJ-> interweb: Have you tried "setopt correct"
[16:32] <ActionPa1snip> interweb: not something I use dude, is there not a channel for it here on freenode
[16:32] <dabauer> need to install kompozer
[16:32] <interweb> ActionPa1snip, There is #zsh but nobody answered there
[16:32] <ActionPa1snip> dabauer: its not supported on newer distros
[16:32] <dabauer> I have to .tar.gz file
[16:33] <interweb> TJ-, I should use that command right ?
[16:33] <dabauer> I have it gunzipped and  I untared it, it just created a directory with a bunch of file
[16:33] <ActionPa1snip> dabauer: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kompozer/+question/243900
[16:33] <interweb> TJ-, It worked :) thanks
[16:33] <dabauer> but I don't know what to do after that
[16:34] <Anonymous> Hey any one would like to make a donation tell me because Anonymous is collapsing and we need your help. One donation = big help and strength to us
[16:34] <Pici> Anonymous: please don't solicit in this channel.
[16:35] <ActionPa1snip> dabauer: it wont work, you have been told on the forum
[16:35] <ActionPa1snip> dabauer: "Warning: this version does NOT work with recent GNU/Linux distros."  source: http://www.kompozer.net/download.php
[16:36] <ActionPa1snip> dabauer: KompoZer 0.7 is not compatible with GTK . 2.14 . expect crashes. If you.re using a Linux distro that ships
[16:36] <TJ-> interweb: See "man zshcomsys"
[16:36] <TJ-> interweb: Ooops, see "man zshcompsys"
[16:37] <interweb> TJ-, That "setopt correct" worked for me
[16:37] <interweb> TJ-, thx
[16:37] <TJ-> interweb: You might want to correct the default config though, and that man-page shows how
[16:38] <interweb> TJ-, there where not that man for me
[16:39] <interweb> TJ-, Could I just add "setopt correct" to my .zshrc ?
[16:41] <suudy> TJ-: Ok.  Adding usb0 to /etc/network/interfaces seems to have worked (along with the attendant dhcp entry).
[16:41] <suudy> TJ-: But it doesn't seem to detect the disconnect cleanly.  I guess some udev rules are in order?
[16:42] <conall> Hi, I have an old laptop with a 1.66Ghz cpu. When I run the cat /proc/cpuinfo command it shows this but under "cpu_MHz" it shows 1000. Should it not show 1600? thanks
[16:42] <TJ-> suudy: That would probably do it
[16:43] <ActionPa1snip> conall: your CPU will clock up and down as needed, this saves power
[16:43] <ActionPa1snip> conall: your CPU does not always run at full speed unless needed
[16:44] <conall> ActionPa1snip: sorta like intel boost? Whats so special with intel boost so? Thanks
[16:45] <ActionPa1snip> conall: its been like that for ages, long before Intel boost
[16:45] <ActionPa1snip> conall: if the CPU is idle, it will clock down to a low speed and churn
[16:46] <conall> ActionPa1snip: What is so special about intel boost? As far as I know it is a new thing
[16:46] <ActionPa1snip> conall: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/turbo-boost/turbo-boost-technology.html
[16:46] <conall> ty
[16:48] <PengouinPdt> bonsoir
[16:48] <she_dyed> hi PengouinPdt
[16:49] <conall> Thanks ActionPa1snip
[16:49] <dabauer> OK got the .zip for jxhtml and unzipped it, now what???
[16:50] <ActionPa1snip> !find jxhtml
[16:50] <she_dyed> unzip -l will view content
[16:50] <PengouinPdt> hello, someone to confirm-me rights system as '-rwsr-sr-x' eguals 6755 ...?
[16:51] <frog_> hi. is there an programm where i can say that only the internet traffic for specific sites goes trough a proxy?
[16:51] <Zooklubba> TJ-: It's official. It's returned
[16:51] <TJ-> Zooklubba: what has?
[16:51] <Zooklubba> my huawei modem
[16:51] <Zooklubba> Thinking about clicking home another one (probably E398) on ebay
[16:51] <Zooklubba> But the 5776 is gone.
[16:51] <TJ-> Zooklubba: oh! as in it's gone, you mean
[16:51] <Zooklubba> Couldnt break the bastard yesterday
[16:52] <Zooklubba> oh yes
[16:52] <Zooklubba> haha
[16:52] <Zooklubba> I meant returned to the carrier :P
[16:52] <hitsujiTMO> frog_: whether your app goes thru a proxy or not is determined by the app not anything else.
[16:53] <hitsujiTMO> frog_: you'd have to configure that within the app if that sort of config is supported
[16:53] <frog_> hitsujiTMO: im using chromium and set in the settings under network the proxy... do u know a way?
[16:53] <hitsujiTMO> frog_: its not possible. chromium/chrome can only use the system proxy, or no proxy at all
[16:53] <Guest5867> hy
[16:54] <frog_> hitsujiTMO: ok...
[16:54] <frog_> thanks for helping
[16:54] <suudy> TJ-:  That seems to work...sorta.  The problem is that the device takes too long to get the dhcp server on it up and running so dhclient times out.  Is there a way to make a per-device timeout for dhclient?
[16:54] <onefstprld> anyone run into an issue with volume control panel not working on 12.04 when home is mounted on NFS
[16:54] <TJ-> suudy: If you've configured the system correctly, dhclient will only run after the interface has been brought up
[16:54] <hank6262> hello i have an older laptop i am trying to install ubuntu to as it still works just won't boot from cd or usb i installed ubuntu using the windows ubuntu install program from the windows xp that is on the laptop but how do i rerun setup from the new install of linux on the dualboot and format th the hard drive and just put linux on it and remove the windows
[16:55] <hitsujiTMO> frog_:you can override the proxy config for a given session at least.maybe that will help you; check out: http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/network-stack/debugging-net-proxy
[16:55] <hank6262> i can ceess a usb thumb drive jsut not boot form it
[16:55] <suudy> TJ-: And it does.  The problem is that the dhclient timesout before the dhcp server on teh remote end is ready.
[16:56] <TJ-> suudy: dhclient does DHCPREQUEST for 3 minutes or more, if that is timing out, then there's a bigger problem
[16:56] <hitsujiTMO> frog_: actually, it seems chromium does support PAC, so you might be able to get exactly what you want with that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_auto-config
[16:56] <suudy> TJ-:  Well, I know the problem.  The problem is that the remote device brings up the USB CDC device well before it startes dhcpd.
[16:57] <dabauer> I have jxhtmledit, but I don't see how to run it
[16:58] <TJ-> suudy: So the USB device is an embedded router?
[16:59] <cumana> hello, how to share files between ubuntu and ubuntu via ethernet cable?
[17:00] <cyfuser> can anyone point me to a good irc channel related to testdisk and photorec file recovery?
[17:00] <jpds> cumana: rsync, scp, NFS, ...
[17:00] <suudy> TJ-: No.  It's our device.  It is has an embedded web server.  But the kernel brings up the device at boot, but we don't start dhcpd for a few minutes after boot.
[17:00] <jpds> cumana: Ubuntu One, Dropbox.
[17:01] <TJ-> suudy: You've lost me, I'm now confused.
[17:01] <Rubas> cumana: sftp
[17:02] <cyfuser> does anyone have experence with testdisk?
[17:02] <impossible> how do i turn off the snap on windows in 12.4.4
[17:02] <cumana> and is there any amongst these with doesn't need painful configuration? I have bad memories connected with samba ;x
[17:03] <jpds> cumana: Dropbox? :)
[17:03] <jpds> cumana: Ubuntu One is installed on Ubuntu by default.
[17:03] <dabauer> I have jxhtmledit, but I don't know how to run it.
[17:04] <z1haze> im trying to backup information on my server and reformat it via ssh, but can someone please explain how df -h works and what are these other things it shows me? is it posible to back up inportant data onto one of those places so it isnt deleted during the format?
[17:06] <cumana> jpds, but Dropbox and cable ethernet connection? I'm surprised. :) I will google it.
[17:07] <jpds> cumana: Well, the easier will be to set up ssh on one of the machines and manual sync files across with rsync.
[17:11] <z1haze> can someone show me how i can move something to another filesystem thts showing when i do the df-h command that wont be deleted with i reinstlal ubuntu?
[17:12] <daftykins> z1haze: was it you last night that said you had 20GB of stuff so it wasn't practical to download it?
[17:12] <daftykins> z1haze: i've got to question how successful you're going to be in trying to reinstall an OS on an active system
[17:12] <jhutchins> z1haze: Safest is to put it on a separate physical device.
[17:13] <jhutchins> z1haze: If it's on the same device, you just have to make sure to avoid formatting that device during the install process.
[17:14] <daftykins> jhutchins: he's dealing with a remote server so it's kind of a funny situation =/
[17:14] <hank6262> is there a way to start a usb flashdrive isntall of ubuntu from inside ubuntu
[17:15] <frog_> hank6262: yes. but i dont know how
[17:15] <daftykins> hank6262: what situation are you in where this would be useful?
[17:16] <hank6262> no cd drive working on the laptop and no usb boot available
[17:16] <hank6262> installed ubuntu using the windows isntaller but it kept my windows which i did not want
[17:17] <hank6262> the laptop is showing its age in windows but figured it might still run a basic linus well
[17:17] <hank6262> the laptop is showing its age in windows but figured it might still run a basic linux well
[17:17] <daftykins> wait - as in WUBI?
[17:17] <daftykins> hank6262: are you sure USB boot is a no go?
[17:17] <daftykins> might just be a trick to it
[17:18] <hank6262> yes tried booting a coupel flashdrives with linux on ti and it did nothign but booted the dual boto screen
[17:18] <hank6262> yes tried booting a coupel flashdrives with linux on ti and it did nothign but booted the dual boot screen
[17:18] <z1haze> daftykins, i got it down to just under 10gb of info
[17:18] <frog_> hank6262: ure posting doubeld
[17:18] <kdsebastian27> haloha
[17:19] <hank6262> oops sorry
[17:19] <z1haze> I dont have another phsyical device, i mean i zipped it up and downloaded it to my physical computer as a just in case method.. but it would take ages to upload 10gb's to the server from my house
[17:19] <daftykins> hank6262: so you installed ubuntu using WUBI?
[17:19] <kdsebastian27> happy valentines
[17:19] <levo> i'm looking for a piece of software with the same syntax of "Maple" is there any?
[17:19] <hank6262> yes i did
[17:19] <hank6262> but i don't the windows on the pc at all
[17:19] <kdsebastian27> finally i got a gift from my sweetheart ubuntu touch phones
[17:19] <hank6262> the lnux wubi installed runs good
[17:19] <daftykins> hank6262: you can't have a WUBI install without
[17:20] <she_dyed> win
[17:20] <daftykins> (kind of)
[17:20] <daftykins> hank6262: check the system BIOS for USB legacy options, i'd be willing to bet it is capable of USB boot but might just be a bit quirky to get going
[17:20] <hank6262> i know that i can't have wubi without win but i figured if i installed wubi linux i could start a real linux install from inside the wubi linux and put real linux on
[17:20] <she_dyed> oh no
[17:20] <daftykins> z1haze: can you explain what type of system it is?
[17:20] <she_dyed> jump thru hoops tiem
[17:20] <z1haze> \
[17:20] <daftykins> z1haze: is it a VPS?
[17:21] <z1haze> no
[17:21] <kdsebastian27> am im so happy for our filipino bradah 1 of the largest network on phils has join the developers to bring the ubuntu touch to philippines
[17:21] <daftykins> she_dyed: take your offtopic talk to #ubuntu-offtopic please.
[17:21] <z1haze> its a dedicated physical server
[17:21] <daftykins> !touch | kdsebastian27
[17:21] <she_dyed> sorry
[17:21] <kdsebastian27> oh ryt
[17:22] <daftykins> z1haze: and so your only typical way to reinstall it would be to visit the data centre is it?
[17:22] <kdsebastian27> fine
[17:22] <z1haze> correct
[17:22] <hank6262> the usb legacy is enab led in the bios
[17:22] <z1haze> i saw a video its possible using unbootstrap or something? over ssh
[17:22] <Jpmh> I have a script that forks a child script using /bin/sh -c secondScript.  They of course are separate processes.  Lets say the parent is process 1000, I want to kill them both - per man page I tried kill INT -1000 - I get an error message - how do I kill the group rather than one process?
[17:22] <daftykins> z1haze: what's causing it to need a reinstall again?
[17:23] <z1haze> chwon the root directory
[17:23] <daftykins> z1haze: oh yeah - nasty.
[17:23] <z1haze> ive went thru and narrowed down all the files that need changed back, but its still like 5 recursive directoires
[17:23] <daftykins> hank6262: and when your flash drive is in, does the BIOS show it as a choice of alternative hard disk / boot device to change the boot order?
[17:23] <daftykins> z1haze: can you still get a root (user) prompt?
[17:23] <z1haze> yea
[17:24] <prp-e> Guys, is there Muslim Edition of Ubuntu yet?
[17:24] <z1haze> the server still functions
[17:24] <hank6262> no it does not show as a choice it does list it as a drive found when it first boots and shows the bios screen
[17:24] <daftykins> z1haze: why not chown -r those paths back?
[17:24] <z1haze> so an extent, still have root, sudo, can still use screen and run my game servers from it
[17:24] <z1haze> because i dont know who owns them
[17:24] <daftykins> hank6262: does that laptop have a one-time boot menu key, like F10, F11 or F12?
[17:25] <hank6262> yes it does its f12 and it lists removable drive cd rom drive hard drive and network boot
[17:25] <z1haze> i mean, i dont know who is supposed to own them: heres the list http://backconnect.net/files.txt
[17:25] <daftykins> z1haze: so you just need to know the defaults - why not install that same version of ubuntu under virtualbox on your home system then compare?
[17:26] <z1haze> couple reasons, i coudlnt get ubuntu to even install.. kept getting a ton of errors on boot up.. and a black and white glitchy screen.. like when ur graphics card goes bag
[17:26] <z1haze> bad*
[17:26] <impossible> how can i get my adnroid device to work on 12.04.4
[17:26] <impossible> gmtp wont do it
[17:26] <z1haze> messed with it for hours last night, burnt like 4 different dvd's all did the same
[17:26] <daftykins> z1haze: in virtualbox?
[17:27] <z1haze> i dont know what that is daftykins; thats why im having such a hard time, i just dont know the things needed to get this fixed alone
[17:27] <TJ-> z1haze: Did you run memtest on the system?
[17:28] <gordonjcp> z1haze: stop using DVDs and use USB instead
[17:28] <daftykins> TJ-: it's a dedi server in a data centre
[17:28] <z1haze> my usb does not work
[17:28] <TJ-> daftykins: So?
[17:28] <daftykins> if you guys are going to help, at least scroll up and understand the situation before rehashing everything
[17:28] <lustic> hi there, when i when to install updates through the update manager, it failed to do so,  it said this in the details http://paste.ubuntu.com/6932345/
[17:28] <hank6262> iwas to access the usb thumb drive from grub and boot the linux loive cd iso that was on it but it didn't give me and install option when i accessed the command prompt when bootign the wqubi linux
[17:28] <daftykins> TJ-: well you're assuming he has some kind of management access to do that :P
[17:29] <z1haze> Only access I have to the system is root ssh
[17:29] <TJ-> daftykins: What kind of "dedicated server" doesn't provide remote KVM?!
[17:29] <daftykins> TJ-: this one potentially :D
[17:29] <z1haze> he could do it, hes just lazy and wont. he just blows me off
[17:30] <Rory> Hey lustic it looks like there may be some issues writing to your hard drive. Can you please run this command, which will reboot your computer and make it check the drive for errors on reboot? "sudo shutdown -rF now"
[17:30] <z1haze> so im on my own to figure a way
[17:30] <daftykins> z1haze: he?
[17:30] <lustic> Kk thanks brb
[17:30] <z1haze> yes, the owner if the servers
[17:30] <anaifhhf> w
[17:30] <anaifhhf> www
[17:30] <daftykins> hank6262: so 'removable drive' just thinks for a moment then passes over to the multiboot menu again?
[17:31] <kermyt> z1haze, normally I will setup my sshd so as to not llow root access. then I will force users to login as a user first then upgrade privlidges to root. thes is more secure and keeps a better record of who did what where.
[17:31] <z1haze> i am really hoping today i can get some help to reinstall ubuntu from here via ssh and be able to keep this information that ive zipped up
[17:31] <tmmunq> http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-performance-counter-monitor-a-better-way-to-measure-cpu-utilization
[17:32] <tmmunq> in case anyone wants to take a closer look at their rubo boost
[17:32] <tmmunq> *turbo
[17:32] <hank6262> well it does think it just lists my drive when it boots it lists th samsung hd the lexar jd necury memory stic kad  then it boots to windows dual boot screen unless i press f12 to brng to bring up the boot menu but the boot menu has no usb boot option just removable drive, cd, hd, and network and when i try removable it jsut boots to windows dual boot screen
[17:33] <daftykins> hank6262: how did you make up the flash drive with ubuntu?
[17:33] <z1haze> so can anyone help me out
[17:33] <hank6262> i made the flash drive with windows i used pendrive lniux
[17:34] <daftykins> z1haze: are you the only owner of that system?
[17:34] <hank6262> then i found instruction on google on how to use grub to manually boot from cd or flash a live cd of ubuntu from the grub command prompt when your computer won't boot form cd or flash
[17:36] <z1haze> yea
[17:36] <z1haze> basically
[17:37] <lustic> it still does not install the updates : /
[17:37] <roasted> I cannot wait until ubuntu gets its new file manager. Nautilus sure likes crashing. all. the. time.
[17:39] <skinkitten> hello, anyone, would like help, how do I install the src of this http://gimp-print.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gimp-print/
[17:39] <compdoc> roasted, Ive never seen it crash
[17:39] <jhutchins> roasted: Why not just run a different file manager?
[17:39] <skinkitten> don't know how to install this...http://gimp-print.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gimp-print/ can anyone help?
[17:39] <roasted> compdoc: I just tried to rename a folder on a samba share. Crashing each time. 8 crashes later it succeeded.
[17:39] <z1haze> daftykins: im pretty much the only 1 who uses this
[17:40] <roasted> compdoc: I saw a bug report existent for it though, so at least it's on the radar (or maybe not if the new file manager comes soonish)
[17:40] <daftykins> z1haze: i don't think the reinstall over a single SSH session is really that practical a solution
[17:40] <roasted> jhutchins: I'm about to.
[17:40] <skinkitten> I've been working on this printer for a week :'(
[17:40] <z1haze> daftykins: is there another option
[17:40] <compdoc> roasted, will there be a new one in 14.04?
[17:40] <roasted> compdoc: if I understand right it'll be available, but not default in 14.04. Then likely default on 14.10
[17:41] <pietro10> hm
[17:41] <mdw_> #sourceforge
[17:41] <pietro10> so I've been asking a few times last week about gettting GTK+ programs to use the correct font kerning, letter spacing, etc. in KDE
[17:41] <daftykins> z1haze: not beyond sorting it out in person no - assuming your provider definitely doesn't have any mechanisms for alternative access / reinstallation
[17:41] <pietro10> I thought that FIrefox was somehow doing it right - turns out the GKT+ dialogs are still using the icnorrect kerning
[17:42] <pietro10> so is there a way to fix this? I did try installing gnome-settings-daemon to no avail
[17:42] <TJ-> z1haze: Is this the same system I saw earlier this week, where someone had done "sudo chown -R minecraft:minecraft /" ?
[17:42] <z1haze> yes
[17:42] <pahaloom> skinkitten, why specifically this source - you would have to compile it and look for the makefile to install it into /usr/local and you would need to know what you are doning. Why not to try someting simpler first - like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers
[17:42] <z1haze> and ok daftykins; which is exactly why im saying althought it may not be practical its the only option i have; so why not help me try
[17:43] <suudy> TJ-: Sorry for the delay.  Got pulled away.  The CDC device is our own device (also running Ubuntu 12.04 on a custom PPC platform).  When the box boot, it does some startup work before it starts dhcpd on the CDC ethernet device.  In certain cases (such as the state this unit is in), this can take about 5 minutes.
[17:43] <daftykins> z1haze: because it's such a bad idea :)
[17:43] <jhutchins> skinkitten: Try gimp-gutenprint
[17:43] <skinkitten> pahaloom, i've been at this for a week on this chan and the forums, it has led me to this as the solution...hopefully...I'll send you a link of the thread
[17:43] <z1haze> daftykins, theres no other option.. so its either try and fail, and dont try, and fail
[17:43] <z1haze> but possibly succeed
[17:43] <daftykins> i disagree.
[17:43] <pahaloom> skinkitten, if you need to get a printer working, also mark and model would help
[17:44] <skinkitten> pahaloom, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2204685&page=2&p=12929239#post12929239
[17:44] <suudy> On the client side, a PC running 12.04 server, it sees the CDC device at boot, but since dhdpd takes 5+ min to start, the client times out.
[17:44] <TJ-> z1haze: Well, I could build a new corrected install alongside over ssh and reboot into it - done that before for a server 5,000 miles away - but it needs *a lot* of expertise and hands-on terminal access. You've got your work cut out.
[17:44] <z1haze> well please, what can be done.
[17:44] <z1haze> would you help tj
[17:45] <z1haze> all i keep hearing this whole weeks is "it cant be done, sorry" no one wants to try
[17:45] <z1haze> the server is as good as useless as of now anyway
[17:45] <z1haze> what difference would it make
[17:45] <daftykins> does a lot of people agreeing not give you a hint? :)
[17:45] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: what exactly are you trying to do?
[17:45] <z1haze> daftykins, what dont u see if i cant use it now; and theres no other options to fix it; WHY WOULDNTI TRY
[17:45] <skinkitten> how do I compile this?
[17:46] <z1haze> fix my server any way possible.
[17:46] <Spec> daftykins: yeah, hater.
[17:46] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: what's wrong with it?
[17:46] <jhutchins> z1haze: Is there an option to have the ISP reinstall it?
[17:46] <z1haze> performed chown -R /
[17:46] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: ahh you did that? ok. reinstall then
[17:46] <daftykins> Spec: ;)
[17:46] <z1haze> lol..
[17:46] <daftykins> hitsujiTMO: he's in this funny situation with a dedicated server in a data centre, with no physical access ;)
[17:47] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: who's your provider?
[17:47] <TJ-> z1haze: It's an expensive job in terms of time. If you really need to recover that, you'll have to pay an expert for that kind of fix-up.
[17:47] <ActionPa1snip> z1haze: id reinstall, the permissions on folders in any OS is very specific
[17:47] <z1haze> just some person i know
[17:47] <skinkitten> pahaloom, ? jhutchins ?
[17:47] <z1haze> i need help to reinstall then because i dont have the normal way of using the disc drive image or w/e
[17:47] <jhutchins> TJ-: Y'know, a reinstall is like 30 minutes and doesn't require an expert.
[17:47] <z1haze> i only have shh access
[17:47] <kpop722> Is it okay if I ask for help?  Hi. I have a MFC-7840 printer and I'm trying to figure out how to scan with it.  I am using Ubuntu 12.04.3. I'm not very good with computers, so thorough help would be great. Thanks
[17:48] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: and you don't have a control panel?
[17:48] <jhutchins> z1haze: So, again, with the provider reinstall for you?
[17:48] <z1haze> i do not have a control panel
[17:48] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: did you download the 2 debs from the Brother site for the device
[17:48] <z1haze> NO they will not
[17:48] <daftykins> kpop722: what make is it? have you googled "ubuntu 12.04 <printer>" ?
[17:48] <z1haze> thats my isse
[17:48] <jhutchins> z1haze: So cancell it and get a new one from a better provider.
[17:48] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: in that case go with a different provider
[17:48] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[17:48] <z1haze> i have pay much for this machine
[17:48] <z1haze> dont*
[17:49] <z1haze> and its a good deal
[17:49] <z1haze> i cant afford to switch
[17:49] <kpop722> I really don't know how to open that? I'm terrible with computers
[17:49] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: not a good deal if you can't even use it
[17:49] <jhutchins> z1haze: Not a good deal if you can't use it.
[17:49] <z1haze> well, it was my fault its messed up
[17:49] <z1haze> it was fine before i messed up
[17:49] <z1haze> and 25/mo for an e3 with 32gb of ram is not something im going to throw away
[17:49] <pietro10> if you can figure out what hte correct permissions for each and every subdirectory of / are then go ahead and try to repair, otherwise you should backup and reinstall, yes
[17:49] <z1haze> bes a dick, but its cheap
[17:49] <pietro10> depends on how complex the server setup was
[17:50] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: is this an ovh server?
[17:50] <TJ-> z1haze: Good way to force yourself to learn how to do recovery! mess up a system in a local virtual machine, figure out how to recover it, then apply those lessons to your remote server
[17:50] <z1haze> no its not
[17:50] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: whats the ip of the server?
[17:50] <skinkitten> pahaloom, is it the autogen.sh
[17:50] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: i bet its from an ovh reseller
[17:51] <pahaloom> sorry skinkitten - the forum answers say's it all. Start with readme file of the source, get dependencies installed, run the make command and then once make finished something like make install and pray - or alternatively find a specialist who can do it all for you. This channel is not for providing help on compiling a package.
[17:51] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: copy the command and press CTRL + ALT  + T
[17:51] <z1haze> i just want someone to try to fix it with me
[17:51] <kpop722> Oh, into terminal? Thanks
[17:51] <z1haze> i saw its possible over ssh with unbootstrap or something
[17:51] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: paste the command to the terminal and hit ENTER, copy the output and paste here as. It is one line so is ok
[17:52] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: not seeing much from that, whats the name of the company that is hosting?
[17:52] <kpop722> I got this "Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS \n \l"
[17:52] <z1haze> im not even sure
[17:53] <z1haze> frag ready
[17:53] <z1haze> i dont pay officially thru a company
[17:53] <z1haze> i just pay him
[17:53] <jhutchins> !paste
[17:53] <jhutchins> z1haze: Paste the output of fdisk -l and df -h please
[17:54] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: then that person has access to the control panel. you'll have to contact them
[17:54] <z1haze> :( i dont undestsand why i have to say this a thousand times
[17:54] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: http://pastie.org/8733979
[17:54] <z1haze> he wont do it
[17:54] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: run those lines in that same terminal, one by one
[17:54] <kpop722> ok
[17:54] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: it wil install the driver you need
[17:55] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: can you pastebin the output of: free -m
[17:55] <jhutchins> hitsujiTMO: WTF?
[17:55] <z1haze> 17gv
[17:55] <z1haze> gb*
[17:55] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: can you pastebin the full output
[17:56] <hitsujiTMO> jhutchins: i think hes not on the actual server but a LXC or KVM
[17:56] <z1haze> http://pastebin.com/J2d20Nge
[17:56] <z1haze> its the actual server
[17:56] <gr33n7007h> is 13.04 not supported?
[17:56] <Yash_> Hi...can anyone help me with xauth installation? I do sudo apt-get install xauth...then it says xauth is already the newest version..but when i type xauth..it says program is not installed
[17:56] <daftykins> gr33n7007h: nope, eol
[17:57] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: thats 23gb of ram not 32 tho :P
[17:57] <kpop722> Apparently I'm not a sudo user though..
[17:57] <gr33n7007h> daftykins, ok just looking at currently supported versions
[17:57] <z1haze> yea i know
[17:57] <z1haze> the machine was moved t colo a week or 2 ago and a stick went bad
[17:57] <z1haze> its being replaced
[17:58] <Yash_>  Hi...can anyone help me with xauth installation? I do sudo apt-get install xauth...then it says xauth is already the newest version..but when i type xauth..it says program is not installed
[17:58] <z1haze> what relevance does that have to anything
[17:58] <gordonjcp> Yash_: xauth is installed by default
[17:58] <daftykins> Yash_: please don't repeat so often. perhaps you're not meant to run it as you're trying
[17:58] <kpop722> @ActionPalsnip  I'm not a sudo user though?
[17:58] <Yash_> gordonjcp: but when i type xauth in terminal..it says please install it
[17:59] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: can you pastebin the info jhutchins asked for: sudo fdisk -l      and: df -h
[17:59] <daftykins> Yash_: what are you *actually* trying to do?
[17:59] <gordonjcp> Yash_: which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[17:59] <Yash_> X11 forwarding
[17:59] <Walex> Yash_: try 'dpkg -S bin/xauth'
[18:00] <BaconMilk> Could any of the gurus guide me in the right direction here?
[18:00] <Yash_> let me try that
[18:00] <Magiobiwan> Whats the command to reconfigure a package again?
[18:00] <Magiobiwan> dpkg --something
[18:00] <Magiobiwan> Right?
[18:00] <Magiobiwan> I can't remember the flag...
[18:00] <hitsujiTMO> Magiobiwan: dpkg-reconfigure
[18:00] <TJ-> z1haze: I'll refer you to what I told you on February 10th:
[18:00] <TJ-> Feb 10 15:21:42 <TJ->   z1haze: I've fixed such problems in the past where clients have done similar, by doing a clean install of the exact same version into a virtual machine image, then stopping the VM, loop-mounting it's file-system locally, and then running an iterative script on it that copies the permissions of each directory and file from the loopmount to the corrupted target. That has to have root access of course.
[18:00] <Yash_> it gave me the path... /usr/bin/xauth
[18:00] <Magiobiwan> Well, that helps
[18:00] <Walex> Yash_: so it is installed... Try the full path
[18:01] <Magiobiwan> Ty hitsujiTMO
[18:01] <z1haze> http://pastebin.com/r6qhDWBt
[18:01] <Walex> Yash_: or it was installed and it disappeared
[18:01] <BaconMilk> im running ubuntu server with 3,4v I really would like to update my awesome to 3.52 could somebody guide me on how to do it ? as  its the only vm that im running dont seem to understand how this works now.
[18:01] <Yash_> sorry..i didnt get you guys
[18:01] <Yash_> what should i actually do?
[18:01] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: you will need to be able to use sudo (or be root) to do this
[18:01] <Walex> Yash_: try: ls -ld /usr/bin/xauth; debsums xauth
[18:02] <z1haze> TJ i read that last time
[18:02] <Walex> Yash_: try: ls -ld /usr/bin/xauth; debsums -c xauth
[18:02] <Yash_> Walex: it says the program debsums is not installed
[18:02] <z1haze> like talking calculus to a 1st grader.. it means nothing to me
[18:02] <TJ-> z1haze: So do it :) Practice at home in virtual machines until you're confident
[18:02] <Walex> Yash_: does it list '/usr/bin/xauth'?
[18:03] <daftykins> i've a feeling z1haze is after a solution sooner than that ;)
[18:03] <z1haze> ding ding
[18:03] <Walex> Yash_: if  it is listed, try to run '/usr/bin/xauth list'
[18:03] <z1haze> first common sense thing ive heard
[18:03] <Maurice_la_sauci> Does someone know how to activate all systray icons? (I currently only have Dropbox,
[18:03] <Maurice_la_sauci> oops
[18:03] <jnor> Question: as root I do: "passwd user1", then as user1 I do: "sudo touch test" and it tells me the password is wrong??
[18:03] <Yash_> Wales: it says missing file /usr/binxauth
[18:04] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: so you don't have access even to a rescue cd?
[18:04] <gordonjcp> Yash_: which version of Ubuntu is this?
[18:04] <tingtongdevil> @yash you miss / after bin
[18:04] <z1haze> not that im aware of
[18:04] <Yash_> no no..i did use /
[18:04] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: No remote hands, no remote KVM
[18:04] <tingtongdevil> ls -lrt /usr/bin/xauth
[18:04] <Yash_> its ubuntu 12.04.4
[18:05] <gordonjcp> Yash_: desktop?
[18:05] <Yash_> terminal
[18:05] <S-USA|Nexus> Maurice_la_Saudi: It's not officially supported in Unity as of 13.04
[18:05] <kpop722> Thank you though. I'll save the info and try again later
[18:05] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: i think you're out of luck then. you have no partitions to play with that you could create a debootstrap environment from
[18:05] <Yash_> tingtongdevil: no such file or directory
[18:05] <tingtongdevil> @yash: run this sudo find / -name "xauth" -print
[18:05] <ActionPa1snip> !find binxauth
[18:05] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: There's 120G available in sda1 for a loop mount
[18:06] <ActionPa1snip> tingtongdevil: I don't have that file on my desktop Ubuntu....
[18:06] <Yash_> i got the path /usr/share/doc/xauth
[18:07] <she_dyed> thats the manual
[18:07] <DrShoggoth> is zfs my best bet for a versioning filesystem?
[18:07] <Yash_> guys???? any solution to fix the xauth
[18:07] <Yash_> ?
[18:07] <Maurice_la_sauci> S-USA|Nexus: I'm under Ubuntu 12.04 (gnome classic)
[18:07] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: i was thinking along the lines of installing a debootstrap env, booting to that, then creating a fresh working system from there
[18:08] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: if he had a decent size swap he could have used that partition but its too small
[18:08] <Walex> DrShoggoth: ZFS is not quite a versioning filesystem, but there are also NILFS2 and BTRFS and arguably the COW versions of ext3 and ext4
[18:08] <tingtongdevil> @yash: have u run sudo dpkg -a --configure
[18:08] <tingtongdevil> ?
[18:08] <Yash_> gordonjcp: ???
[18:08] <Walex> Yash_: the path is /usr/bin/xauth
[18:09] <Yash_> tingtongdevil: let me try that
[18:09] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I don't think it needs that; like I recommended on the 10th, install an identical OS in a VM, then copy the permissions to the target
[18:09] <jtld> I have taken over a server running cyrus and need to handle an overfull non deleting messages mailbox -- no one responding on cyrus channel
[18:09] <z1haze> tj how can that be done
[18:09] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: Then, from that, there will be sufficient to run the native tools reliably
[18:09] <Yash_> tingtongdevil: did that
[18:09] <jtld> 	telnet dele command issued but doesn't actually result in message deleted
[18:09] <Walex> DrShoggoth: NILFS2 is pretty well tested, and BTRFS as well, except for the RAID-like bits.
[18:09] <kroghet> I just updated ubuntu from 12.04 LTS to I guess it was 12.10 with the updater in Ubuntu. Then first it freeze when starting up and say it can't mount /tmp, then after that it just get stuck on the purple screen. I have found out how to find the Grub menu, and removed some "quiet splash" to "text" and I can see that it keeps saying Feature buffer full Feature buffer full a lot of times, and then it says "Starting AppArmor profiles" fai
[18:09] <Yash_> itype xauth and it still says xauth is not installed
[18:09] <jtld> 	I can pull up email lists etc. though on mail2web -- squirell mail errors out with no mail listed
[18:10] <tingtongdevil> @yash : you run sudo apt-get remove xauth
[18:10] <gordonjcp> Yash_: I don't know what you're trying to do, or why?
[18:10] <S-USA|Nexus> Maurice_la_sauci: Have you started the programs for which tray icons exist, and have you enabled their icons where applicable?
[18:10] <Yash_> gordonjcp: i am trying to run xauth
[18:10] <pietro10> Hi. GTK+ programs running in KDE do not use the proper kerning, letter spacing, etc. as evidenced by other KDE programs. Oddly, Firefox looks right, but the GTK+ standard dialogue boxes it uses don't. I have gtk*-engines-oxygen installed; this appears to happen regardless of engine. I tried installing gnom,e-settings-daemon, but that dind't work. What can I do? Thanks.
[18:10] <tingtongdevil> @yash then u can install
[18:10] <jtld> kroghet: I would boot from the cd and choose rescue system
[18:10] <gordonjcp> Yash_: why?
[18:10] <Yash_> xauth
[18:10] <hitsujiTMO> Yash_: whats the output of: echo $PATH
[18:11] <z1haze> TJ- can you help doing what your suggesting
[18:11] <Yash_> hitsujiTMO: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/db/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/bin
[18:11] <kroghet> ok, i only have a usb, but i guess that will do the job. I will try that. Thx
[18:11] <tingtongdevil> @yash: wat i wanted you to do is , remove the package and install again
[18:11] <Yash_> tingtongdevil: done
[18:11] <Walex> Yash_: please type the full path /usr/bin/xauth
[18:11] <hitsujiTMO> Yash_: ls -l /usr/bin/xauth
[18:11] <TJ-> z1haze: I've already helped by explaining how to do it, what you've got is way beyond the community support you can expect here
[18:12] <|PiP|> is doing sudo -s vs logging in as root the exact same thing?
[18:12] <ffwacom> So is Ubuntu moving away from upstart?
[18:12] <z1haze> but you said you know how?
[18:12] <daftykins> z1haze: he's saying it's too much work
[18:12] <bekks> ffwacom: No, but the result is the same.
[18:12] <Yash_> tingtongdevil: just a sec..let me try out
[18:12] <Walex> pietro10: kerning etc. is not a Gtk issue, it is a text renderer one, for example Cairo.
[18:12] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: its not a trivial task. you need to recreate your system in a vm, then mirror the file permissions
[18:13] <TJ-> z1haze: If you want someone else to do that for you, you'll need to hire a professional
[18:13] <ffwacom> Bekks: should I stop writing upstart scripts?
[18:13] <pietro10> Walex: hm
[18:13] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: that can be over 100000 files to do
[18:13] <bekks> ffwacom: Why?
[18:13] <Walex> pietro10: the Gtk engines are about theming, not text rendering.
[18:13] <z1haze> i have the files list
[18:13] <ffwacom> Well will upstart be in future versions of ubuntu
[18:13] <bekks> ffwacom: Yes.
[18:13] <Rory> !ot | ffwacom Yes
[18:13] <zykotick9> bekks: not sure where you're getting that?  seems Mark's blog post would suggest they are?
[18:13] <ffwacom> Ok cheers
[18:14] <hitsujiTMO> zykotick9: don't expect it to change immediately. will be 14.10 at least
[18:14] <bekks> zykotick9: At least in 14.04 there is no systemd default. And thats "a future version".
[18:14] <zykotick9> hitsujiTMO: oh i know.
[18:15] <z1haze> so if i have the list of files, it still makes it 'impossible'?
[18:16] <pietro10> ok let's see if there's a missing cairo package then
[18:16] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: not impossible. just really really tedious and difficult. as TJ- suggested. start testing with some vms
[18:16] <Arceye> Is it possible to uninstall unity ?
[18:17] <krabador> Arceye, to use what?
[18:17] <pietro10> doesn't seem to be one
[18:17] <pietro10> hm
[18:17] <hitsujiTMO> Arceye: you can swith to a different destop environment pretty easily. no need to uninstall. just install an alternative like: sudo apt get install xubuntu-desktop
[18:17] <Arceye> krabador:   gnome
[18:17] <ffwacom> Many other desktop environments
[18:18] <krabador> Arceye, i suggest you to install directly ubuntu-gnome
[18:18] <ffwacom> Xmonad
[18:18] <Arceye> krabador: I was going to install gnome then if possible remove unity as it seems to use too many resources
[18:19] <OerHeks> !nounity
[18:20] <ffwacom> !Classic
[18:20] <krabador> Arceye, if you install ubuntu-gnome-desktop, and you run it, unity don't use resources
[18:20] <ffwacom> !gnome
[18:20] <ffwacom> !terminal
[18:20] <hitsujiTMO> ffwacom: enough. thats not being helpful
[18:20] <Arceye> krabador: ok
[18:20] <ffwacom> Haha soz
[18:20] <tingtongdevil> which release unity was introduced?
[18:21] <chris_is_me> 12.04
[18:21] <DrShoggoth> I really like the look of btrfs,  any horror stories?
[18:21] <Arceye> tingtongdevil  I believe 11.04 which was the time ubuntu started to require high end hardware
[18:21] <tingtongdevil> okay
[18:21] <zykotick9> tingtongdevil: 11.04 it became default.  but i think it was the netbook release (discontinued, where it was first released)
[18:22] <Arceye> 10.04 rocked , then 11.04 ran terrible by comparison
[18:24] <tingtongdevil> i run 11.04 currently in my dell inspiron 1012 min with 1gb ram .. I m very happy that it boots in  seconds and os is so light weight..It still gives battery backup of 3 hours after 2 years of hardcore use
[18:24] <bekks> And it's EOL. :)
[18:24] <tingtongdevil> my roommates uses 8gb ram with windows ..it takes more that thrice time to boot than my syste
[18:25] <bekks> Once a day at most. :)
[18:25] <Arceye> tingtongdevil then I must have a big issue then 11.04 on my system ran worse then windows 7 on a P3 400 with 512MB ram would
[18:26] <tingtongdevil> Arceye: is it?
[18:26] <varius> привет кто есть?
[18:27] <tingtongdevil> Acreye : then i cant tell people that ubuntu is faster..:P
[18:27] <Arceye> tingtongdevil I am just trying to have something to replace winXP as winXP is EOL soon , but it must run as fast as winXP on the same hardware
[18:27] <Arceye> tingtongdevil that's corrrect you can't in any way
[18:28] <ActionPa1snip> tingtongdevil: 11.04 is no longer supported in any way
[18:28] <varius> wat???
[18:28] <Arceye> I am installing 12.04  again for the 3rd time in 24 hours
[18:28] <tingtongdevil> @arceye: but i can say in my system it works pretty much faster
[18:29] <ActionPa1snip> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases  11.04 was EOL and no longer supported as of 28th October 2012
[18:29] <ActionPa1snip> dead and gone, good riddence
[18:29] <Arceye> tingtongdevil I can't deny that at all, however it isn't a typical example
[18:29] <tingtongdevil> Arceye: yeah true:
[18:30] <ActionPa1snip> tingtongdevil: I'd hang til April then install Lubuntu 14.04 which is LTS and supported til April 2019
[18:30] <LittleMachine> hi guys I just made a mistake at work and I think I am toast :(   I was instructed to chmod 777 into each subfolder (test site) and I accidently did something like CHMOD 777 -r /website/
[18:30] <tingtongdevil> @arceeye: i like this 11.04,pretty much.. Not wanting to upgrade
[18:30] <Arceye> I don't want to be negative about it, but I am constantly hitting brick walls with it
[18:30] <jnor> WTF. I just changed my user passwd, user is in sudo group. Still I get "sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): auth could not identify password for" What the f
[18:30] <LittleMachine> ls: cannot open directory .: Permission denied
[18:30] <ActionPa1snip> tingtongdevil: the community will not support it, its dead. The OS will run but dont expect any updates or community support
[18:30] <LittleMachine> anyone know how to fix it?
[18:31] <ActionPa1snip> LittleMachine: is it executable by your user?
[18:31] <jnor> LittleMachine read about unix permissions
[18:31] <LittleMachine> jnor, which one exactly
[18:31] <LittleMachine> the other directories work, just the / doesn't work unless I sudo
[18:31] <tingtongdevil> Actionpalsnip:i know about it: Waiting for my exam to finish , i ll update it with newest version
[18:33] <Arceye> install 12.04 done, now to download gnome and other DE's
[18:33] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: 12.04 comes with Gnome....
[18:33] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip   it's not an option on log in
[18:34] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: its the DE when you use Unity
[18:34] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip then I need the gnome other bits :)
[18:34] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: what other bits exactly?
[18:35] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip the actual desktop  to remove the stupid launcher and put the task bar where it belongs :)
[18:36] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: so gnome-panel
[18:36] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip that would be it
[18:37] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: I'd just use xfce if you like the 2 panel session
[18:38] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip I am grabbing LXDE, Cinnamon, XFCE4.x
[18:38] <ActionPa1snip> <3 LXDE
[18:39] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip goint to try them all and see which kills the pc least
[18:39] <Arceye> not touching KDE though , far too much plastic for me
[18:39] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: wise move, like your mindset
[18:40] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip  it wasn't like that a few hours ago,    linux sucked in every way :)
[18:44] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: probably something you changed
[18:46] <suudy> Ok.  I'm still stumped on the CDC ethernet problem with ubuntu server.  I see dhclient fail to get a DHCPOFFER, but it reverts to the last recorded lease.  But it doesn't bring up the interface.  If I do 'ifconfig usb0 up', it comes up correctly.
[18:47] <suudy> I added 'auto usb0' and 'iface usb0 inet dhcp' to my /etc/network/interfaces
[18:48] <suudy> I'm not getting why this interface refuses to come up.
[18:48] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip , it was different things on different distro's ubuntu was running slower than a slow thing, lubuntu wouldn't let me run dual monitor the way I want it to, debian also suffered with dual monitor
[18:48] <suudy> er, come up automatically.
[18:49] <OerHeks> suudy, try ' sudo ifconfig usb0 up && sudo dhcpcd usb0 '
[18:49] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: tried a non-debian based distro?
[18:49] <morsnowski> !die
[18:49] <morsnowski> apologies
[18:49] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip many years ago I used mandrake / mandriva  but I thought they were becoming bloated
[18:50] <suudy> OerHeks: That works.  The manual configuration works.
[18:50] <suudy> OerHeks: But I'm trying to get the automatic configuration to work.
[18:53] <LittleMachine> anyway to fix $ sudo chmod -R /
[18:53] <stmiller> :)
[18:53] <LittleMachine> made a rookie move with   $ sudo chmod -R /     hoping i can fix it
[18:53] <KP> anyone know who to set focus-follow-mouse in 13?
[18:55] <pietro10> oh here's some fun
[18:55] <pietro10> the KDE session locker is ALSO using the wrong font kerning!
[18:57] <TJ-> Two in one day! LittleMachine Best way to fix is to recreate an identical install in a virtual machine, and then use a script to apply the correct permissions from the 'good' to the 'bad'
[18:58] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip all panels /dte's installed now reboot
[19:02] <Atoj> hi, there is some way to install the "recommended" option of proprietary drivers from terminal?
[19:06] <yash_> Hi...I got x11 port forwarding done but i get this error when i try to run xclock: "MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 data did not matchError: Can't open display: a4:10.0"
[19:07] <Arceye> ok, so how do I change screen resolution with LXDE ?
[19:08] <yash_> MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 data did not matchError: Can't open display: a4:10.0
[19:09] <yash_> Hi...I got x11 port forwarding done but i get this error when i try to run xclock: "MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 data did not matchError: Can't open display: a4:10.0"
[19:09] <yash_> any help?
[19:10] <Guest45025> I have problem with terminal can anyone help me for sec pls !
[19:10] <yash_> xauth: can you help me
[19:10] <yash_> ?
[19:10] <Guest45025> I wasn`t enable to go on top of alot of lines. I have script which one return alot of lines and i can`t go and see the ones of top.Any help is priceless!!!
[19:10] <yash_> xauth: Hi...I got x11 port forwarding done but i get this error when i try to run xclock: "MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 data did not matchError: Can't open display: a4:10.0"
[19:11]  * xauth ponders
[19:11] <yash_> any help for x11 forwarding?
[19:11] <xauth> yash_: can you telnet to a4 port 6010?
[19:12] <yash_> xauth: connection refusd
[19:13] <xauth> yash_: Then your X server is probably only listening on the localhost interface. Most are configured that way these days.
[19:13] <yash_> xauth: i dunno why my $DISPLAy is set to a4:10.0...earlier it was localhost:10.0
[19:14] <yash_> xauth: i am using xming for xforwarding
[19:16] <xauth> yash_: Can you telnet to localhost port 6010 then?
[19:16] <tyler_d> Guest45025: can you be a bit more specific, possibly an example please
[19:16] <yash_> xauth: unable to connect to loalhost
[19:16] <yash_> localhost*
[19:17] <yash_> cd ..
[19:17] <Guest45025> I can`t go on top of alot of lines in terminal. I have script which one return alot of lines and i can`t go and see the ones of top.Any help is priceless!!!
[19:17] <xauth> hmm
[19:18] <yash_> Xming help anyone?
[19:19] <xauth> Guest45025: pipe output through less.
[19:20] <MonkeyDust> Guest45025  use   your_script > output    then use     less output
[19:20] <xauth> yash_: How did you set up your port forwarding?
[19:21] <yash_> xauth: i selected x11 forwarding in putty and then im using Xming
[19:22] <Guest45025> It is possible to run it like this : ./scropt.py | less ?
[19:22] <MonkeyDust> Guest45025  try to find out
[19:23] <SafariMonkey> So... I'm having a hard time getting recording to work through pavucontrol. I've tried VSXu (the one I'm trying to get working), audacity, sound recorder... recording doesn't work. Changing playback settings works though.
[19:23] <Guest45025> ty for help it`s a slow script i will run it now
[19:24] <xauth> yash_: What kind of system did you forward the X11 port to?
[19:25] <pietro10> My laptop is picking up network printers from school and what not; how do I disable that? Thanks.
[19:25] <MonkeyDust> SafariMonkey  if you don't get an answer here... #ubuntustudio is multimedia dedicated...
[19:26] <SafariMonkey> MonkeyDust, I'm currently not running the Studio distro. Will I be able to get help there?
[19:27] <SafariMonkey> MonkeyDust, thanks in any case, I'll ask
[19:27] <MonkeyDust> SafariMonkey  it's a tip, I hope it's useful
[19:28] <SafariMonkey> MonkeyDust, Thanks. I've asked.
[19:28] <Arceye> xrandr