[00:00] <sstanfie> On a clean (ve) at Media Temple: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && reboot" applies 57 patches, but server never returns.
[00:02] <lullabud> likewise-open question...
[00:02] <lullabud> the documentation here says use /etc/init.d/likewise-open restart to restart the daemons... https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/likewise-open.html
[00:02] <sstanfie> Sorry, first time in IRC in about a decade here. I probably didn't phrase my question in the form o fone.
[00:02] <lullabud> but on my system that file does not exist.
[00:02] <JanC> sstanfie: Media Temple is a provider of VPS systems?
[00:02] <lullabud> is there another all-encompasing-services restart method?
[00:03] <sstanfie> JanC: Yes, I'm using Ubuntu 10.04 with Media Temple on a (ve) server. But failing up update/upgrade. Server won't come back after sudo reboot.
[00:03] <JanC> lullabud: do you use 10.04 and do you have likewise-open installed?
[00:03] <lullabud> JanC: yup, fresh 10.04 server test environment with likewise-open and samba installed.
[00:05] <lullabud> 'grep -ri likewise-open /etc/init.d/*' returns 7 scripts, not sure if i need to restart all of them, and if so if they need to be in a certain order.
[00:07] <lullabud> at any rate, it looks like the documentation is incorrect.
[00:07] <JanC> lullabud: yes, based on http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/amd64/likewise-open/filelist I'd say there are multiple services that make up likewise-open now, while in the past there was only one, e.g. in hardy: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/amd64/likewise-open/filelist
[00:08] <JanC> so please report a documentation bug...
[00:08] <lullabud> JanC: that's odd, this is specifically the 10.04 documentation.  maybe it got neglected because they're moving to samba in 10.10 ?
[00:09] <JanC> well, maybe somebody forgot to check it still applies...
[00:09] <lullabud> oh, no, that's not true... they have likewise documentation in 10.10 too... eh, whatever.
[00:09] <lullabud> does ubotu have a quick link to bug submissions?
[00:10] <lullabud> !bugs
[00:11] <lullabud> !documentation
[00:12] <lullabud> ugh, reporting a bug looks like a real pita.
[00:13] <JanC> sstanfie: what technology does Media Temple use for virtual servers?
[00:13] <sstanfie> JanC: Looks like Parallels
[00:13] <sstanfie> Pretty happy with (mt) so far, but I'm stuck on a fairly beginner problem.
[00:14] <sstanfie> On a clean build of 10.04, running apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ... it works, but then "reboot" starts and server never returns.
[00:14] <sstanfie> It applies 57 updates. Kinda out of my league on debugging that.
[00:14] <sstanfie> $30 / month for the basic VPS on a (ve) server.
[00:16] <JanC> sstanfie: can you "reboot" the system from outside the VM (e.g. a web interface)?  (just in case this is a bug in the reboot code for the Parallels virtualised machine)
[00:17] <sstanfie> JanC: Yes, I've rebooted from their web console. Same effect. Right now, I'm in "aptitude" trying to put a hold on mountall.
[00:17]  * JanC pays 15 € / month for a non-basic VM, but that's on a friend's machine...  ;)
[00:17] <sstanfie> JanC: nice price.
[00:17] <sstanfie> At least I'm not loosing any data on this guy. Just bugging me that I can't update/upgrade a clean box.
[00:18] <JanC> sstanfie: if you reboot from the "web console", are upgrades applied?
[00:19] <sstanfie> JanC: Hmm, I haven't tried that yet. I can see that a few processes are running (nothing appears hung), but ssh and ping don't reach it.
[00:19] <sstanfie> JanC: My workaround is just to skip upgrades at this point and carry on. I have a ticket opened with Media Temple.
[00:19] <JanC> so you need to re-install every time?
[00:20] <sstanfie> No. This is literally a clean machine. These are the first two commands I've run on it.
[00:20] <sstanfie> Here is MT's step-by-step install instructions: http://wiki.mediatemple.net/w/(ve):Get_started_with_Ubuntu
[00:20] <sstanfie> The first thing they have you do is apt-get update and upgrade. Then box doesn't restart on the subsequent reboot.
[00:21] <JanC> seems like they use a custom Ubuntu image?
[00:21] <sstanfie> It might be. I'm thinking that's where the conflict is.
[00:21] <sstanfie> I'm running upgrade again, but I put a "hold" on mountall. Will report back.
[00:21] <twb> The fastest answer will be if you call them and say "WTF?"
[00:21] <JanC> there is no way to log in as root on a normall ubuntu install  ;)
[00:21] <sstanfie> Indeed. Fixing to do just that.
[00:22] <twb> JanC: technically, there is.  It's just that you aren't offered that choice at priority=normal during installation
[00:22] <sstanfie> I can get on as root right *after* I choose Ubuntu 10.04. They lay down the image.
[00:22] <twb> JanC: with priority=low (i.e. "expert mode"), you're offered to set one.
[00:22] <lullabud> sstanfie: did you try reboot --verbose ?
[00:22] <JanC> twb: s/normal/default/  ;)
[00:22] <twb> Whatever
[00:22] <sstanfie> lullabud: will try that right now
[00:22] <twb> I only ever use low and critical
[00:23] <sstanfie> lullabud: of course, I'm probably several time zones away from this VPC, so I can't see the console.
[00:23] <JanC> twb: does that also allow login as root on ssh with a default password?  ;)
[00:24] <twb> JanC: not sure about ssh
[00:24] <twb> Last time I looked ubuntu didn't default to without-password.
[00:25] <JanC> IMO companies like Media Temple should configure VMs with root login over SSH disabled by default
[00:26] <sstanfie> root login *is* enabled by default, but you have to set the password on their web form first.
[00:26] <twb> I disagree.  I prefer without-password; having to bounce through sudo makes it harder to set up cpio or tar streams.
[00:26] <sstanfie> Then I go in and disable root access and change SSH port, etc.
[00:26] <sstanfie> Sigh. Ok, I'm calling MT. I can't apply updates and have it reboot at all. talk to you all later. thanks for the help!
[00:26] <JanC> twb: if I really need that, I use 'sudo -i'
[00:27] <twb> JanC: uh...
[00:27] <twb> ssh root@foo tar -c / | ssh root@bar tar -x
[00:27] <JanC> ah, in that case
[00:27] <twb> ...that's the kind of thing I'm talking about.  Unless sudo is passwordless, that won't work
[00:27] <JanC> but even then you don't want password logins  ;)
[00:28] <twb> Oh, I totally agree on that score
[00:28] <twb> I'm trying to disable them for *all* users at $office, and convince workers to carry around a keypair on a USB stick
[00:29] <Patrickdk> heh, I have to do that
[00:30] <Patrickdk> that is how I care around my harddrive decrypt key
[00:32] <JanC> sstanfie: when you say "Parallels", what product do you mean?   I think there are 2 completely different virtual server technologies possible under that brand?
[00:32] <sstanfie> JanC: I will check.
[00:32] <JanC> I think one of the Parallels technologies in based on linux vserver ?
[00:32] <JanC> in which case there might be issues with upstart...
[00:33] <sstanfie> I'm running the Parallels Power Panel to manage a "container" which hosts my Ubuntu...
[00:33] <sstanfie> Oops, Media Temple tech support now on the call.
[00:33] <JanC> right, this is not a real virtual machine, but linux vserver IMO
[00:33] <sstanfie> Um. Yes.
[00:34] <JanC> what was known as Virtuozzo in the past
[00:34] <sstanfie> Yes, that's it!
[00:35] <twb> openvz is parallels, too
[00:35] <JanC> I know upstart has issues on such setups sometimes...
[00:35] <JanC> or is it based on openvz, whatever  ;)
[00:35] <twb> openvz *hates* upstart
[00:36] <twb> And vice-versa
[00:36] <twb> You need to jump through a big bag of hoops to get it working.  Same as LXC.
[00:36] <twb> And it
[00:36] <twb> And it's much worse in lucid because upstart handles more of the system than hardy
[00:37] <sstanfie> Yeah, support guy just verified it's "openvz"
[00:37] <twb> sstanfie: I think you should probably cry into your beard
[00:37] <sstanfie> twb: LOL
[00:37] <twb> For lucid on lxc, these are the upstart jobs I have to disable: http://paste.debian.net/108677/
[00:38] <twb> Replacing them with http://paste.debian.net/108678/
[00:38] <twb> Oh, don't forget that openvz can't actually restart its containers -- it just has a cron job that runs every five minutes that looks for containers that should be running, and starts them.
[00:38] <twb> So if you're waiting less than five minutes after a restart, it'll look like the container didn't reboot
[00:38] <JanC> lol
[00:39] <sstanfie> Ah...the guy has a backdoor and he said the networking is shot on my VM.
[00:39] <twb> sstanfie: oh, THAT bug
[00:39]  * JanC is happy he has a Xen-based VM  ;)
[00:39] <twb> # This one is needed for broken ifupdown NMU 0.6.8ubuntu29.1
[00:39] <twb> initctl emit -n net-device-up IFACE=lo LOGICAL=lo ADDRFAM=inet METHOD=loopback
[00:39] <twb> If you're doing a security upgrade of lucid, it'll hang the entire boot process because of that stupid "fix"
[00:40] <sstanfie> twb: that initctl thing is for me?
[00:40] <twb> sstanfie: try upgrading, but not upgrading the ifupdown package
[00:40] <sstanfie> twb: will do
[00:40] <sstanfie> Tech guy: "Sounds like one of the network package upgrades are killing it"
[00:40] <twb> sstanfie: if that works, then you need to tell upstart that the lo device is already up at boot, otherwise it'll hang forever waiting for the kernel to say "hey, lo is up" or so
[00:41] <sstanfie> twb: Both me and the tech guy are clueless on that one, but it's a good lead.
[00:42] <twb> sstanfie: I'm using LXC with lucid dom0 and domU, and LXC is basically a cleaned-up OpenVZ
[00:42] <twb> sstanfie: took me AGES to find that bug :-/
[00:42] <sstanfie> Yeah, I bet. I will look into it!
[00:42] <twb> sstanfie: ask the tech guy if his customers run lucid much
[00:43] <twb> sstanfie: if they mostly serve hardy and c5, say, then he won't have run into this before
[00:43] <JanC> sstanfie: to be honest, I'd just move on to a real VM-based VPS instead of a container-based VPS   ;)
[00:43] <JanC> although that seems to be rather expensive at MT
[00:43] <JanC> well, expensive depending on what service level you need of course
[00:43] <twb> containers are much lower overhead
[00:43] <sstanfie> true true
[00:43] <twb> But if you're just a customer, you don't care about that
[00:45] <JanC> I know VM hosting starting at < 8 € / month that probably gets you at least as much performance as that MT container...
[00:45] <JanC> (if you don't need an SLA etc.)
[00:46] <sstanfie> So I'm hearing the problem might be with a VPS running in a container.
[00:46] <JanC> sstanfie: in case of Ubuntu, yes
[00:46] <JanC> it has to do with teh way upstart works
[00:46] <caseinpoint> does anybody know if there is a VNC server that allows for a NAT 2 NAT service for Ubuntu?
[00:47] <JanC> caseinpoint: empathy + vino (built into GNOME) ?
[00:47] <twb> More specifically: upstart is more picky than sysvinit about receiving events from the kernel, and container-based virtualization is relatively poor about faking these events.
[00:48] <caseinpoint> JanC: thanks, but I don't use a gui.  I'd like to have a user at home be able to connect to my server and then I connect to my server so that I may see his desktop
[00:48] <JanC> caseinpoint: http://blog.desmottes.be/post/2009/09/22/Empathy-228%3A-Easy-Desktop-Sharing
[00:48] <caseinpoint> I'd like to be able to use it when I wasn't at my home (where my ubuntu server is located)
[00:48] <kees> twb: is there a bug for that ifupdown issue?
[00:49] <JanC> caseinpoint: it can use every XMPP (jabber) server  ;)
[00:49] <twb> kees: well, I didn't file one.
[00:49] <twb> kees: ifupdown is actually doing the right thing
[00:49] <twb> kees: problem is in openvz/lxc
[00:49] <sstanfie> (I'm skipping the ifupdown upgrade)
[00:50] <caseinpoint> JanC: awesome... i haven't attempted to install or use a jabber server in over 6 years...
[00:50] <kees> twb: ah! okay, I didn't read all the context. I just know I touched-by-proxy the ifupdown package last in lucid. :)
[00:50] <JanC> caseinpoint: maybe you'll need some way to disable confirmation to see the other person's desktop though, don't know...
[00:50] <JanC> caseinpoint: you should be able to use every jabber server  ;)
[00:51] <twb> kees: * debian/ifupdown.upstart.if-up: Don't emit a duplicate net-device-up event for lo here, as network-interface.conf will have taken care of it.
[00:51] <twb> kees: that was the change that triggers the problem, but AIUI the real issue is that LXC/OpenVZ don't send the appropriate events for upstart to respond to.
[00:53] <sstanfie> Success!
[00:53] <JanC> caseinpoint: both sides need a telepathy-based client though
[00:53] <sstanfie> I skipped ifupdown, mount and mountall. So one of this is causing this thing to fail big time.
[00:54] <twb> sstanfie: mount should be fine
[00:54] <sstanfie> twb: yeah, tech guy is saying the same.
[00:54] <twb> sstanfie: mountall is a dirty hack that's really part of upstart, so don't trust it
[00:55] <sstanfie> Now installing mount and mountall, and rebooting. Guessing it will work. So culpritis ifupdown, which matches what you guys thought.
[00:55] <twb> sstanfie: try http://paste.debian.net/108679/
[00:56] <sstanfie> twb: I will try that.
[00:56] <twb> Good man
[00:56] <twb> Then you can blog about it or whatever
[00:56] <sstanfie> twb: I will.
[00:57] <sstanfie> I'm giving the tech guy the paste.debian snippet for their log.
[00:59] <twb> Good man
[00:59] <twb> Assuming it works, o'course :-)
[00:59] <sstanfie> twb: I have the openvz.conf file setup. Do I simply reboot with it there?
[00:59] <twb> Sure
[00:59] <sstanfie> trying it now
[01:00] <sstanfie> At least the tech guy is hanging w/me on the call. He's curious too.
[01:01] <twb> Yeah, sounds like you lucked out and found a company where the people have a clue
[01:02] <sstanfie> At least he's not rushing me off the call...btw, applying your openvz.conf. stand by.
[01:05] <sstanfie> twb: your suggested patch did not work, but I will try one more time. I may have typed something in wrong.
[01:05] <twb> Goddamn
[01:05] <sstanfie> I didn't put in the last line, the EOF. Necessary?
[01:05] <twb> Then plan B is just to pin ifupdown so it never updates
[01:05] <twb> sstanfie: yes, the EOF is necessary
[01:05] <sstanfie> doh! Trying it now.
[01:06] <twb> Er, yo urealize that paste is stuff you type into a shell?
[01:06] <sstanfie> twb: I do :)
[01:06] <twb> OK
[01:06] <sstanfie> I just didn't highlight the last line, for some reason
[01:06] <sstanfie> I am trying again. Will report back in 2 min.
[01:10] <sstanfie> twb: few more min.
[01:13] <twb> sstanfie: dude, I'm not sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for you
[01:13] <sstanfie> twb: hehe
[01:20] <sstanfie> twb: after two attemps, the openvz.conf did not have any affect. Patching ifupdown still borks the machine. Workaround for now: skip update on that package.
[01:20] <sstanfie> Thanks for your help though. It really pinpointed the problem.
[01:20] <twb> sstanfie: OK, sorry I couldn't fix it
[01:20] <sstanfie> I have a working box. I'm happy enough!
[01:20] <twb> Nod

[01:21] <smoser> hggdh, did you hang ec2-50-17-76-113.compute-1.amazonaws.com ?
[01:24] <hggdh> smoser: it vanished suddenly
[01:26] <smoser> hggdh, do you want me to reboot it?
[01:27] <hggdh> somer: no, not right now -- not tonight
[01:28] <smoser> hggdh, so are you done with it then? i'll kill it
[01:28] <hggdh> smoser: please go ahead
[01:29] <twb> If a filesystem is mounted noexec,nodev,nosuid -- can I still *create* executables, device and set-uid files, and they simply aren't honoured?
[01:29] <smoser> all of them ? just that one
[01:34] <hggdh> smoser: just the two from hardy 2009
[01:35] <hggdh> smoser: I will have to figure a way for surviving a suddenly-gone system without losing the test results
[01:35] <smoser> well, the reboot brought it back
[01:35] <smoser> you still want me to terminate them, hggdh
[01:35] <smoser> ?
[01:37] <hggdh> smoser: no leave it, let me have a look
[01:39] <hggdh> smoser: I am re-running the tests, I want to know if we lose the system at the same point in time
[01:49] <jdstrand> hallyn: hey. so I just finished reviewing/testing your libvirt merge
[01:49] <hggdh> smoser: I think ec2-50-16-176-170.compute-1.amazonaws.com also died
[01:49] <jdstrand> hallyn: seems solid :)
[01:49] <smoser> it seems it may have, yes
[01:49] <smoser> hggdh, the "good news" is that the stable hardy kernel did
[01:50] <smoser> so its not regression
[01:50] <hggdh> smoser: yes. Both died while running kernel-security.py
[01:50] <smoser> and reproducibly
[01:50] <smoser> so that sgood
[01:50] <jdstrand> hallyn: I have made some light changes to the changelog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/571460/
[01:51] <hggdh> so I think the std hardy is not a kosher food for -security
[01:51] <jdstrand> hallyn: I (of course) left your name in the changelog, but want your ack if you are around before uploading
[01:52] <jdstrand> hallyn: I made quite a few changes to qrt, and testing looks good
[01:52] <jdstrand> hallyn: I had to disable the save/restore tests cause they were failing. that needs investigation
[01:53] <jdstrand> hallyn: there is also another test failing that I think is a perms issue
[01:53] <jdstrand> hallyn: both failed in current natty, so I am not worried. I will look at those test cases tomorrow or so
[01:55] <hallyn> jdstrand: thanks.  changelog changes look good.  I guess I'd thought you did nt want the 0.8.3-1ubuntu{2..14}  entries
[01:55] <jdstrand> hallyn: it was a weird thing to describe
[01:55] <jdstrand> hallyn: so no worries :)
[01:55] <hallyn> the other test failing, you mean in qa tests?
[01:55] <jdstrand> yeah, qrt
[01:56] <hallyn> ok
[01:56] <jdstrand> qrt was not happy with natty's libvirt :)
[01:56] <jdstrand> I've fixed almost all of it, except save/restore and the other thing
[01:56] <jdstrand> hallyn: thanks so much for your hard work! I know it was a pain
[01:56] <hggdh> smoser: ec2-50-16-176-170.compute-1.amazonaws.com should not have died, though
[01:58] <smoser> you wnat me to bounce it?
[01:58] <jdstrand> hallyn: fyi, in the past the merges typically took me a day or two to get perfect for upload
[02:00] <hallyn> jdstrand: but a week might be stretching it a bit?  :)
[02:00] <hallyn> jdstrand: thanks, i'll say i'm glad to be through :)
[02:00] <jdstrand> hallyn: well, this was more than a merge. it was a resync
[02:00] <jdstrand> hallyn: yes, it is always a great relief :)
[02:00] <jdstrand> hallyn: uploading now!
[02:01] <hggdh> smoser: yes, please bounce it
[02:02] <jdstrand> hallyn: I don't know. now that you did it, you may want to consider how to make it easier going forward. whether that is pushing as much as can be to Debian, or permanently forking and cherrypicking changes from them
[02:02] <jdstrand> hallyn: the merge route is attractive cause you get bug fixes from them, as well as new upstrema versions, but it is a real pita
[02:02] <smoser> hggdh, bounced
[02:06] <jdstrand> hallyn: upload \o/
[02:07] <jdstrand> and with that, I'm outta here
[02:14] <hggdh> smoser: thanks. It seems -security cannot be run on the std kernel
[02:22] <mdeslaur> hallyn: wow, that libvirt merge was humungous!
[02:23] <mdeslaur> s/humungous/humongous/
[02:29] <Daviey> yeah, i was just about to congrats him.  Rather him than me :)
[02:37] <hggdh> smoser: ec2-75-101-184-41.compute-1.amazonaws.com can be terminated
[02:47] <hggdh> smoser: ec2-50-17-76-113.compute-1.amazonaws.com also can be terminated
[02:49] <hggdh> smoser: and ec2-174-129-132-135.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[03:21] <smoser> hggdh, ok. so you've still got ec2-50-16-176-170.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[03:38] <hggdh> smoser: yes, which just went down :-(
[03:38] <smoser> hm...
[03:39] <smoser> well, we're learning some things
[03:39] <smoser> :)
[03:39] <hggdh> let's bring it back tomorrow morning
[03:39] <hggdh> we certainly are!
[03:39] <hggdh> I am now half-fried, half-baked
[03:52] <goddard> what do people use to monitor multiple servers and push updates?
[03:54] <smoser> goddard, landscape is a product from Canonical that can do that.
[03:54] <smoser> i probably sound like i'm just touting "CANONICAL", but i honestly don't know of other products. i'm sure there are.
[03:54] <smoser> ie, puppet does some of those sorts of things, and is very popular here.
[03:56] <goddard> I don't mind paid solutions as long as they do a better job then the free versions
[04:05] <smoser> goddard, i believe you can get a free trial of landscape
[04:06] <goddard> any idea how much it is/
[04:08] <goddard> about 500 for a year
[04:08] <goddard> thats exspensive
[04:47] <timboy> having an issue with an ec2 instance. on boot I get this plymouth issue: http://pastebin.com/QDLS5nER
[04:48] <timboy> found a couple bugs that are "fixed" but i'm wondering how to get this one working for now. bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/571707 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/682831
[06:09] <Alestan> Okay, so I'm stumped.  I've got a server with a 32 GiB hard drive, df reports 100% use with 140 MiB available space.  'du -h --max-dept=1 /' reports 19 GiB used.  I've cleaned the apt cache and the recycle bin.  Any thoughts on where the missing space went?
[06:16] <Alestan> shoot, I bet I've got a lot of tiny files, so used space is low, but free blocks are low too
[06:17] <lifeless> different file system
[06:17] <lifeless> bah
[06:17] <lifeless> what I mean is
[06:17] <lifeless> say you have /foo
[06:17] <lifeless> with 20GB of data in it
[06:17] <lifeless> and you have sdb1 mounted at /foo
[06:17] <lifeless> the du / will not report on the space used by foo on the root filesystem
[06:24] <Alestan> /dev/sda1 on / and the stuff on /dev/ and /var/run /var/sys /proc and /sys and that's it for mount.
[06:24] <Alestan> none of those have much stuff in them either.
[06:26] <Alestan> I wonder if it is something to do with the postgres server.
[06:26] <boxybrown> can i setup apt-get to automatically install recommended packages
[06:27] <Alestan> You mean recommended updates?
[06:30] <boxybrown> i dont think so, i think i mean recommended packages
[06:30] <boxybrown> (i think those are different?)
[06:30] <boxybrown> if you do an aptitude install, it will say "not installing recommended packages" and list them
[06:31] <boxybrown> this flag:        -r, --with-recommends
[06:31] <boxybrown> for aptitude
[06:31] <Alestan> Ah, yes, and you want the same for apt-get
[06:32] <Alestan> apt-get --install-recommends
[06:32] <Alestan> it's in the man page :-P
[06:33] <boxybrown> well, I was under the impression you could make this the default behavior
[06:33] <boxybrown> so you dont have to provide the flag
[06:34] <boxybrown> and I was wondering how you do that
[06:34] <jmarsden> lifeless: man du and look at the -x option for how to let du only show one filesystem
[06:34] <lifeless> jmarsden: you're missing the fault ;)
[06:37] <twb> Reccommends is opt-out in all recent releases
[06:38] <twb> Alestan: du -mx / | sort -nr | head -$((LINES-1))
[06:38] <twb> Alestan: du -hx / | sort -hr | head -$((LINES-1)) # if you have a recent system
[06:38] <twb> Alestan: du -mx / | xdu # if you have X
[06:39] <boxybrown> twb: is there a way to change this behavior?
[06:39] <boxybrown> recommends aren't getting installed when i install packages
[06:39] <twb> boxybrown: yes, see apt-config(1)
[06:40] <twb> boxybrown: are you using apt-get, or what?
[06:40] <boxybrown> twb: okay, thank you
[06:40] <boxybrown> twb: apt-get and aptitude
[06:40] <boxybrown> depending on which tutorial im following...
[06:40] <boxybrown> or what tool I need (aptitude why, apt-cache search)
[06:49] <boxybrown> sooooo, this isn't mentioned in the apt-config(1) or apt.conf(5) docs at all
[06:49] <boxybrown> but I found this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-configure-apt-get-to-install-suggested-packages-169746/
[06:50] <boxybrown> and it seems that there is a package specifically for this (wajig)
[06:50] <boxybrown> pretty messed
[06:53] <Alestan> hm 18953 on /
[06:54] <Alestan> (I do have x but don't have xdu and have too little space to install it)
[06:58] <Alestan> so du -mx / | sort -nr | head -$((LINES-1)) agrees with the simple du /, but not with df
[07:10] <twb> boxybrown: what release?  Lucid?
[07:10] <twb> boxybrown: note that "Suggests" is not the same as "Recommends"
[09:39] <kim0> hallyn: I see the libvirt update I got this morning allows qxl devices and starts kvm with -vga qxl. seems you already pushed the new bits out ?
[09:41] <kim0> hallyn: not sure however where the spice client is. Please ping me once you're around, thnx
[09:50] <xampart> i want to duplicate my server logs to another server and keep them synced. experiences?
[09:52] <JenniferB2> i have installed ubuntu server on machine.. i have also installed gnome-core and others.. and wish to log in and have access to a desktop
[09:52] <JenniferB2> how can I do that?
[09:52] <JenniferB2> installed vino but not sure how to use it
[09:53] <lifeless> SpamapS: is lucandra packaged?
[10:03] <kim0> xampart: rsyslog has remote sending capabilities (might wanna look at rsyslog-ng too)
[10:40] <ara> Hello all!
[10:40] <ara> Is there any known bugs on today's dailies about network not working?
[10:45] <xampart> kim0: ok....i'll look into that
[10:46] <Daviey> ara, during install or after install?
[10:47] <ara> Daviey, during the installation
[10:47] <ara> (when trying to set up the network with DHCP)
[10:48] <Daviey> ara, we've been in a bad way most of the week due to d-i failing to find the kernel modules.. I would be suprised if anyone else has manually tried the daily from today... Other than the husdon tests
[10:49] <Daviey> which AIUI don't rely on networking :/
[10:49] <ara> Daviey, I will try the daily in a vm
[10:50] <Daviey> ara, certianly *looks* like a dhcp request was successful - http://hudson.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/job/natty-server-i386_akt-tbench/10/console
[10:52] <Daviey> ara, My hunch is a request being successfully made, but not acted on... seems the husdon tests are all failing
[10:52] <Daviey> jamespage, ^^
[10:52] <jamespage> Daviey: looking now
[10:54] <ara> jamespage, Daviey: thanks, if you find the root cause and file a bug, please, let me know
[10:54] <Daviey> ara, wilco
[10:55] <jamespage> looks definately broken: http://hudson.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/job/natty-server-amd64_lamp/88/console
[10:55] <Daviey> jamespage, are you seeing just a timeout and no data?
[10:56] <Daviey> hudson timeout
[10:56] <jamespage> Some sort of DHCP request is happening; however the test case it not contactable once its started - so no useful diagnostic from the automated test cases - tests just  timeout after 80 mins
[10:56] <ara> jamespage, I am trying in a VM, to see if I can get some useful logs
[10:57] <ara> guys, jibel filed bug 724242 this morning
[11:00] <jamespage> ara: let me just grab an ISO and I will try to confirm as well
[11:00] <jibel> jamespage, the cdrom is detected but can't be mounted for some reason
[11:04] <jamespage> jibel: so I think a d-i change went in yesterday as all installs where failing with a 'unable to find kernel modules' error message.
[11:08] <Daviey> i thought the build from today was supposed to resolve that
[11:09] <jibel> Daviey, indeed, it's fixed but revealed another bug apparently.
[11:09] <Daviey> lovely
[11:10]  * Daviey syncs his iso
[11:14] <psteyn> hiya any idea which release will include mysql-5.5  yet?
[11:15] <jamespage> Daviey, ara, jibel: well I get the same - not much in the syslog
[11:15] <jibel> jamespage, cjwatson is on it.
[11:16] <jamespage> excellent
[11:16] <cjwatson> yeah, I'm looking at it
[11:17] <jibel> jamespage, I'm adding alternate to automated iso testing. This is not really different from server but my plan is to create a template.alternate separated from server. What do you think ?
[11:18] <jamespage> jibel: good idea
[11:19] <jamespage> jibel: I really want to separate the templates from the main package into a bzr branch - means they can be updated much easier - one for next release
[11:20] <jibel> jamespage, we'll have usit-core for the main package, and usit-server, usit-alternate, usit-desktop, one per variant that's it ?
[11:21] <jamespage> jibel: well we are almost there TBH - I just think that the test case templates should not be packaged and should be pulled from bzr prior to test execution
[11:21] <jamespage> usit-core would remain - the others would be stored in bzr branches
[11:22] <jibel> understand. that's nice.
[11:23] <jamespage> trying it out on the ec2 testing automation I'm currently working on
[11:34] <cjwatson> it's a udev regression
[12:20] <hggdh> oh. So the ISOs are still hosed
[12:24] <cjwatson> yes, just uploading a udev fix now
[12:27] <hggdh> will re respin the ISO?
[13:13] <overrider> I am planning to setup a RAID6 using 8 x 2TB SATA Drives. What if i have to reinstall the OS, will it see my RAID and detect the Partitions i made correctly?
[13:20] <jo-erlend> I'm installing Pootle on my server. It requires me to use a module for Apache. I'm supposed to do something like WSGIScriptAlias /pootle /location/of/wsgi.py. It tells me to do that in the main Apache config, but is it possible to do that for only a certain site, using a site configuration file like /etc/apache/sites-available/mypootle?
[13:30] <hallyn> kim0: the libvirt sync had nothing to do with our quest for spice :)  The client isn't there bc I've not yet created the spice package.  Whatever is in libvirt is just there bc it was in upstream (or debian's package)
[14:02] <smoser> jdstrand, around ?
[14:07] <jdstrand> smoser: hey, what's up?
[14:08] <smoser> would you have time to review a package for me ?
[14:09] <jdstrand> smoser: I can try. I've got a couple sponsored uploads for natty FF ahead of you atm. what is it?
[14:10] <smoser> its a small native package that contains two initramfs tools
[14:10] <jdstrand> smoser: is this for FF?
[14:10] <smoser> um...
[14:10] <smoser> :)
[14:10] <smoser> yes
[14:10] <smoser> but its not terribly, terribly important, and i can seek other help
[14:10] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/+junk/cloud-initramfs-tools/
[14:12] <jdstrand> smoser: ok. If I take it, it will be cutting it tight, especially if changes need to be made. I can do it, but it will be in a bit. if that is ok, then please put your signed source package, ready for upload/sponsorship on chinstrap and I'll look at it
[14:13] <smoser> ok.
[14:13] <boxybrown> is it recommended to use apt-get or aptitude to install packages?
[14:13] <overrider> I really want to setup a huge /data partition using raid6 with my 8 Drives. I assume i should have a seperate drive to install the OS own? Or just take two out of my 8 drives and use a small partition for raid1 so it can boot?
[14:19] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[14:26]  * ScottK pokes at SpamapS again.
[14:26] <ScottK> ping
[14:34] <jdstrand> smoser: fyi, the FF stuff that is ahead of you is going to take a while longer than expected. I'm sorry
[14:34] <smoser> jdstrand, you need to manage your time better
[14:34] <jdstrand> smoser: haha
[14:34] <smoser> you shouldn't wait till the last minute to try to get features in.
[14:34] <smoser> oh wait, that was me
[14:34] <smoser> :)
[14:35] <jdstrand> smoser: well, I can only review stuff when it is given to me :)
[14:35] <smoser> thanks, though.
[14:35] <jdstrand> smoser: I'll try to get through it and ping you in case you need me
[14:35] <jdstrand> if there is time
[14:36] <azizLIGHTS> i want to run google chrome in a gui from the server (there is no gui there now), should i install x11 server xming on my windows?
[14:47] <jo-erlend> why is it so much more complicated to install webapps than other applications?
[14:50] <compdoc> azizLIGHTS, you want to install a desktop?
[14:51] <azizLIGHTS> compdoc: i wantrun google chrome on the server but avoid installing full gui solutions, and if possible to not even install gui but somehow run google chrome with the server lol
[14:52] <compdoc> dont think thats possible
[14:52] <azizLIGHTS> what about with x11 server and client system
[14:52] <compdoc> you can install KVM and run ubuntu with a desktop in a VM
[14:52] <joschi> azizLIGHTS: what do you want to achieve?
[14:52] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: because you'd like to expose your servers to security flaws in the browser, or just to hide your IP?
[14:53] <azizLIGHTS> i use the server for proxying but my connection to server is unreliable... so i must do browsing on the server itself now and vnc?
[14:53] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: _what_?
[14:53] <patdk-wk> wouldn't that be much worse?
[14:53] <patdk-wk> vnc uses much more traffic than webpages
[14:53] <azizLIGHTS> i use the server as a proxy for internet browsing at home
[14:53] <compdoc> vnc requires a desktop, like gnome
[14:54] <azizLIGHTS> using ssh tunnel or openvpn
[14:54] <azizLIGHTS> but my ocnnection is breaking all the time (isp interferences?)
[14:54] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: so... How would running the browser from the server help?
[14:54] <azizLIGHTS> i can continue where i left off after reconnect
[14:55] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: oh, ok. I don't think I'd recommend browsing from the server, but if you want to, you can probably use x2go and run the browser that way. The chrome package will probably depend on a desktop environment though.
[14:55] <azizLIGHTS> things like downloads javascriptiong and session ids need full browser like google chrome and not gonna work with wget curl or elinks or lynx
[14:56] <azizLIGHTS> but im trying to avoid installing a a full desktop so im curious what this means: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI#X11 Client Installation
[14:57] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: I just gave you a solution. You'll just need to install a browser.
[14:57] <azizLIGHTS> oh ok, x2go, looking at it now thx
[14:58] <jo-erlend> x2go acts similarly as screen, except for X applications. So you can run a full desktop from the server if you want to, or only a single application like a web browser.
[14:58] <azizLIGHTS> yes yes!
[14:59] <azizLIGHTS> i only need google chrome
[15:00] <azizLIGHTS> how would i see the desktop over the internet on my home machine
[15:00] <azizLIGHTS> vnc?
[15:00] <jo-erlend> x2go.
[15:00] <jo-erlend> vnc is very slow. x2go is fast.
[15:02] <azizLIGHTS> this is like nx?
[15:02] <bencer_> try neatx, but last time was i did wasn't the most stable thing
[15:05] <azizLIGHTS> for x2go, i have to have a gui already in place?
[15:08] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: it _is_ based on nx
[15:08] <jo-erlend> bencer_: x2go is much better than neatx. They stopped developing that a long time ago.
[15:09] <bencer_> jo-erlend: is x2go is currently maintained?
[15:09] <jo-erlend> freenx also seems dead. I don't know how 2x is doing, but Nomachine seems to be focusing on NX4, which is proprietary.
[15:09] <jo-erlend> bencer_: yes.
[15:09] <bencer_> i'll give it a try
[15:09] <jo-erlend> x2go is not compatible with the client from Nomachine or OpenNX though.
[15:10] <jo-erlend> but then X2go is also much better integrated with Ubuntu, with support for PulseAudio, etc.
[15:11] <azizLIGHTS> so what exactly to install if i got no gui setupt all right now, to make x2go work such that a windows home computer can see a google chrome running on server
[15:13] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: exactly? openssh-server, x2go and chrome, along with all dependencies.
[15:19] <azizLIGHTS> ok i want to test this on a vm first, before putting it live
[15:19] <azizLIGHTS> am i on 32bit or 64bit
[15:20] <compdoc> good question
[15:21] <laen> azizLIGHTS: lol
[15:22] <azizLIGHTS> im seirous
[15:23] <laen> Are you trolling?
[15:23] <azizLIGHTS> im looking at cat /proc/cpuinfo
[15:23] <azizLIGHTS> googling if this cpu is 32bit or 64bit
[15:24] <compdoc> uname -a
[15:24] <kim0> azizLIGHTS: are you installing x2go in the cloud? this might be helpful http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2010/11/show-off-ubuntu-desktop-on-cloud.html
[15:24] <azizLIGHTS> i686 is 64bit right?
[15:24] <kim0> azizLIGHTS: no 32
[15:25] <azizLIGHTS> kim0: im on ec2 how did you know
[15:25] <laen> hahah
[15:25] <kim0> :)
[15:26] <azizLIGHTS> this says im on 64bit not 32bit :/ http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=33081
[15:27] <azizLIGHTS> kim0: nice article thanks
[15:27] <kim0> azizLIGHTS: why r u checking ur cpu, if you'll be running chrome on ec2 anyway ?
[15:27] <compdoc> azizLIGHTS, you cpu is 64bit, your OS is 32 bit
[15:28] <azizLIGHTS> im trying to get the same iso from ubuntu for vmware
[15:28] <azizLIGHTS> to test before i put x2go live
[15:28] <kim0> just use 32 bit safest choice :)
[15:28] <azizLIGHTS> ok, makes sense
[15:29] <azizLIGHTS> ty compdoc
[15:29] <compdoc> azizLIGHTS, how much ram do you have?
[15:30] <azizLIGHTS> Mem:        646172     319516     326656          0     105108     121368
[15:30] <azizLIGHTS> total, used, free
[15:30] <compdoc> do you know how much ram you purchased?
[15:30] <azizLIGHTS> im on free tier ec2, the micro isntance
[15:30] <azizLIGHTS> free for 1 year
[15:31] <compdoc> oh
[15:31] <compdoc> a hosted server
[15:32] <azizLIGHTS> i believe, vps, it is?
[15:32] <compdoc> yes
[15:32] <azizLIGHTS> its cool, i get to test ubuntu out
[15:33] <jo-erlend> I need my apache httpd to access some files that are outside /var/www, is that a problem?
[15:34] <kim0> hallyn: I checked the MIR thing, still unsure what package to file MIR for. When we're set, please explain what needs to be done, thnx
[15:34] <azizLIGHTS> kim0: that guide installs x2goserver-home and then it goes on to isntall ubuntu-desktop :(((((
[15:34] <azizLIGHTS> thats gnome lol... i think thats a bit much??
[15:34] <kim0> azizLIGHTS: isnt that what you wanted to do
[15:35] <azizLIGHTS> i just want google chrome
[15:35] <kim0> well, install some light weight envrionment fluxbox or whatever
[15:35] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: have you installed google chrome?
[15:35] <azizLIGHTS> oh... so i do have to isntall a gui
[15:36] <azizLIGHTS> jo-erlend: no im still reading on this
[15:36] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: you have to have a gui on your client PC.
[15:36] <kim0> azizLIGHTS: chrome is just a browser like firefox, it needs a gui
[15:37] <hallyn> kim0: I'm hoping to create two new packages: spice-protocol and spice.  And use our existing libcelt-dev package.
[15:37] <azizLIGHTS> jo-erlend: u said  < jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: exactly? openssh-server, x2go and chrome, along with all dependencies.
[15:37] <hallyn> kim0: (the ppa you pointed to yesterday was repackaging an older version of celt which requires less delta from spice, but an extra package...  6 of one, half dozen of the other)
[15:38] <hallyn> kim0: I've been finishing up some odds and ends, think I'll do the spice package soon
[15:38] <hallyn> (on a call right now - though by myself so far :)
[15:38] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: the guide you seem to be reading, is about showing off ubuntu desktop. How would you do that if you didn't have ubuntu desktop installed?
[15:38] <kim0> hallyn: awesome, just let me know how can I help whenever it's ready
[15:39] <azizLIGHTS> jo-erlend: from ur instruction i thought i didnt need to install gnome/ubuntu desktop
[15:39] <hallyn> kim0: thanks, will do
[15:39]  * kim0 nods
[15:39] <azizLIGHTS> and so i was suprised when i saw it in the guide
[15:39] <kim0> azizLIGHTS: just replace "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" with whatever simpler GUI you want
[15:39] <kim0> icewm or flux ...etc
[15:39] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: if you want to display an Ubuntu Desktop, then you have to install an Ubuntu Desktop. The guide is _not_ about running Chrome rootlessly from a remote computer.
[15:40] <azizLIGHTS> ok so i can isntall x2goserver-home, fluxbox, and then chrome
[15:40] <azizLIGHTS> ubuntu-desktop is too much
[15:41] <overrider> maybe i should try to install and run ubuntu server off a usb stick, so then i can safely work and manage my 8 drive raid array as i please
[15:41] <overrider> in the spirit of freenas or qnap devices, which also hold the os image seperate from the data array
[15:41] <jo-erlend> install x2goserver-home and chrome. Don't install anything more than chrome requires.
[15:41] <azizLIGHTS> why do you say x2goserver-home and chrome only? no gui? why
[15:42] <azizLIGHTS> im confused
[15:45] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: if you want to run a desktop, then you must install a desktop. If you only want to run chrome and you don't want to run a desktop, then you install chrome and not a desktop.
[15:45] <azizLIGHTS> how will chrome run without a gui?
[15:45] <azizLIGHTS> if i onl install chrome..
[15:45] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: as I said, you have to have a GUI on your client.
[15:46] <azizLIGHTS> my windows computer?
[15:47] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: well, I can't recommend Windows, but it does work. You'll install x2goclient on it and connect to the server.
[15:48] <azizLIGHTS> so: on server install x2goserver-home and chrome, on home win7 install x2goclient. any more stuff?
[15:48] <jo-erlend> yes, you need openssh-server too.
[15:49] <jo-erlend> and you'll probably want to replace Windows 7 with Ubuntu Desktop, of course, but that's optional.
[15:53] <azizLIGHTS> well i will do that when microsoft dies
[15:53] <azizLIGHTS> now i wait 1 day for ubuntu-10.04.2-server-i386.iso to download
[15:53] <azizLIGHTS> zzzz
[15:55] <hggdh> smoser: whta are the wiki pages for the lucid/maverick ec2 images? My ffox history is, ah, out-of-date
[15:55] <smoser> http://uec-images.ubuntu.com ?
[15:58] <hggdh> smoser: ah, perfect, thank you
[15:58] <hggdh> smoser: BTW, what about the version string stating -generic on hardy ec2?
[15:59] <smoser> oh. i didn't realize thats what you were pointing out
[15:59] <smoser> i thought you were pointing out its funny version *number*
[16:00] <smoser> thats really a kernel-team call from my perspective, it sure seems like a bug to me.
[16:08] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: you don't have Ubuntu Server yet? I thought you were working on it already?
[16:09] <azizLIGHTS> jo-erlend: im downloading a image for my vmware
[16:09] <jo-erlend> azizLIGHTS: oh... VMWare even. :=
[16:35] <kim0> whenever my laptop boots, a dnsmasq instance is running which blocks libvirt's "default" network from starting. How do I know what starts that dnsmasq instance
[16:36] <jamespage> kim0: we had similar issues with some of the automated ISO testing setup for Ubuntu; do you also have the main dnsmasq package installed?
[16:39] <kim0> jamespage: I have dnsmasq-base & dnsmasq
[16:40] <jamespage> kim0: thats where your issue is - dnsmasq will start before the instance that libvirt starts
[16:41] <jamespage> kim0: if you don't need it drop dnsmasq
[16:41] <kim0> which package should I remov
[16:41] <kim0> the -base one ?
[16:41] <jamespage> nope - dnsmasq-base is used by libvirt and dnsmasq - so just drop dnsmasq
[16:42] <kim0> jamespage: got it .. thanks. Interesting however that I cannot think of a generic way to track how did process X get started
[16:47] <SpamapS> lifeless: no, unfortunately, lucandra hasn't even been looked at.
[16:47] <SpamapS> ScottK: right, upstart for postfix. Please do send it over. I've been taggging any bugs w/ upstart jobs in them as 'upstart' so feel free to do that as well
[16:47] <zul> hallyn: hey quick lxc connection: for the ip address do i have to use something like <IP_ADDRESS>/24 ?
[16:50] <hallyn> zul: you can just leave it out and use dhclient...
[16:50] <hallyn> zul: (and then have the dhclient options pass hostname so  you can 'ssh lxcguest.')
[16:50] <zul> hallyn: excelente less code
[16:56] <hallyn> jdstrand: people.canonical.com/~serge/libvirt_0.8.8-1ubuntu2.debdiff has the fix (from upstream) for that commnandtest breakage that I had to patch around
[16:57] <jdstrand> hallyn: ack, though it will be a little while
[16:57] <jdstrand> hallyn: thanks for chasing that down
[16:58] <hallyn> jdstrand: np, no hurry on that of course
[16:59] <jdstrand> hallyn: there is a leak patch to the security drivers that I saw committed recently that I would like to investigate
[16:59] <jdstrand> hallyn: [libvirt] [PATCH] security: avoid memory leak
[17:00] <jdstrand> hallyn: if you were so inclined, that could be investigated too. otherwise I will do it
[17:00] <hallyn> jdstrand: noted
[17:08] <_1094kms> where is the binary of the cd command located?
[17:08] <pmatulis_> _1094kms: man bash-builtins
[17:10] <hallyn> zul: doh, what ever happened to the patch you wanted in lxc for improving lxc-ls ?  mind opening a bug for it if you still want it?
[17:11] <zul> hallyn; i dont need it, i worked around it for what i was doing
[17:11] <hallyn> cool
[17:11] <hallyn> rock on :)
[17:13] <zul> hallyn: although the output sucked ;)
[17:15] <_1094kms> pmatulis_: thx - I assume then it is not possible to specify an absolute path for cd :-(
[17:20] <laen> _1094kms: correct!
[17:22] <_1094kms> I guess I could write my own cd command in a bash file in /usr/bin/cd
[17:37] <StSapph> Question which may or may not be applicable here. I'm running an Ubuntu server, and it is no longer responding to pings or attempts to connect via SSH, but Apache running on it still serves pages without issue. Any clue what could be causing this?
[17:38] <jo-erlend> _1094kms: huh?
[17:38] <jo-erlend> _1094kms: why would you want to do that?
[17:39] <jo-erlend> StSapph: firewall?
[17:40] <StSapph> jo-erlend: Nope, the server is in the DMZ, and it randomly did this on its own while I was at lunch. Was SSH'd in, came back to a timed out error, and cannot get in now.
[17:41] <jo-erlend> StSapph: what does nmap tell you?
[17:42] <_1094kms> jo-erlend: I have trouble calling a php script inside a symlinked working directory in cron so I need to issue a 'cd' command before. My hosting panel requires an absolute path as first argument. Workaround was to preceed the whole thing with /usr/bin/pwd ; cd $mypath; php /path/to/symlinked/executable.
[17:43] <StSapph> jo-erlend: At work on a windows machine, so I don't have access to nmap.
[17:43] <jo-erlend> _1094kms: I didn't understand that.
[17:44] <jo-erlend> StSapph: if you give me an address, I can check for you, if you like. But if httpd is available, sshd is not and it no longer replies to ping, I'd say it's a firewall issue.
[17:44] <_1094kms> It's really more a php problem. I run a php with includes from cron. PHP doesn't find includes because the executable is called from the abs path. includes can only be found from the symlink path.
[17:44] <guampa> somebody here is familiar with mikrotik routeros?
[17:44] <StSapph> jo-erlend: Sure. http://aweso.ms, ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:48] <jo-erlend> StSapph: http://paste.ubuntu.com/571825/
[17:48] <jo-erlend> sshd doesn't seem to be running, or a firewall is blocking it.
[17:49] <StSapph> No, SSHD is running on 443
[17:49] <jo-erlend> StSapph: oh. Then everything seems to be fine.
[17:49] <StSapph> Strange
[17:50] <jo-erlend> it responds to my connection attempts.
[17:50] <jo-erlend> StSapph: how are you trying to connect to sshd, do you remember to specify the port to connect to?
[17:50] <StSapph> Yep
[17:51] <StSapph> It's set to that so that I can connect via networks that block everything but HTTP/S
 jo-erlend: At work on a windows machine, so... <--- Well, there's your problem. :)
[17:52] <jo-erlend> StSapph: I got that. I've done that myself occasionally.
[17:52] <StSapph> Haha, it just seems to odd that it was working... and then stopped.
[17:52] <StSapph> So you're thinking it's probably just a local connection problem?
[17:52] <guampa> i have read somewhere that using more than one A record for my nameservers is ok, but after testing i have mismatch with the glue records from the parent NS (it only shows one A for each NS)
[17:53]  * patdk-wk wonders why you would even want to do that?
[17:54] <guampa> lol, just trying to have an orthogonal setup, actually i'm not very experiencied
[17:54] <jo-erlend> StSapph: it doesn't reply to pings though.
[17:54] <StSapph> Yeah. I'm not 100% certain that it did before, though I *thought* it did.
[17:55] <StSapph> It seems strange that my local connection can reach it via HTTP, and can reach other servers via HTTPS (so that port isn't blocked), but can't reach my server on that port.
[17:56] <guampa> have two wans, trying to set up balancing / failover
[17:57] <jo-erlend> StSapph: try to connect using your IP instead of hostname?
[17:57] <jo-erlend> guampa: isn't that what SRV records are for?
[17:57] <StSapph> jo-erlend: No response.
[17:58] <jo-erlend> StSapph: what client do you use?
[17:58] <StSapph> putty
[17:58] <guampa> jo-erlend: i think those are more used in ADS for example
[17:58] <jo-erlend> StSapph: what if you try telnet aweso.ms 445?
[17:59] <jo-erlend> ehrm, 443.
[18:00] <StSapph> jo-erlend: On port 443, the connect opens to a blank window and then closes. Windows telnet client clears the command prompt
[18:00] <StSapph> On port 23, it simply can't connect
[18:01] <jo-erlend> StSapph: on port 23? Why would you want to even try that? You're not listening on that port, are you?
[18:01] <jo-erlend> port 23.. Isn't that identd or something?
[18:01] <StSapph> Default telnet port, according to putty
[18:01] <jo-erlend> oh. telnet. I knew if was some kind of dead, useless protocol :)
[18:01] <StSapph> lol, yeah
[18:02] <jo-erlend> StSapph: I didn't ask you to try that. I asked what happens if you run "telnet aweso.ms 443"
[18:02] <StSapph> Trying to telnet in to SSH seems to make the client go screwy, though
[18:02] <StSapph> [13:00] <StSapph> jo-erlend: On port 443, the connect opens to a blank window and then closes. Windows telnet client clears the command prompt
[18:03] <StSapph> It doesn't "not connect", but it doesn't work or do anything else, either
[18:04] <jo-erlend> StSapph: did you open a cmd.exe window first, or did you just run it from the start menu?
[18:05] <StSapph> jo-erlend: The former. The "opens then immediately closes" is when I try to connect via putty.
[18:05] <StSapph> Otherwise I ran cmd.exe, and then tried 'telnet aweso.ms 443' and it gave me the weird all-blank screen
[18:05] <jo-erlend> oh. Run cmd.exe first, then type in "telnet aweso.ms 443"
[18:05] <StSapph> Yeah, did
[18:05] <jo-erlend> StSapph: that's supposed to happen for a little while.
[18:06] <jo-erlend> then you should see something like: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-6ubuntu2
[18:06] <StSapph> Hm. I'll try leaving the window open longer. It should do that without providing any further input?
[18:07] <jo-erlend> yes.
[18:08] <StSapph> Been open for about 2-3 minutes now
[18:08] <StSapph> Still a blank screen
[18:08] <jo-erlend> StSapph: if that doesn't work, it "has to" be a firewall issue. Windows often uses firewalls for outgoing connections as well.
[18:09] <jo-erlend> StSapph: that isn't right.
[18:10] <StSapph> Strange.
[18:10] <jo-erlend> have a look at your Windows firewall settings. Or load up Ubuntu on your desktop and see if ssh works from there (which I'm convinced it will)
[18:11] <StSapph> Even more odd - I tried SSHing into one of my work servers, and *that* loaded.
[18:11] <jkg> I don't promise I'll understand it, but it might be worth pastebinning the output of "ssh -vvv -p 443 aweso.ms" if you haven't already
[18:11] <jo-erlend> that's not very odd? Do you use port 22 for ssh on them?
[18:12] <StSapph> Oh. Yeah.
[18:12] <jo-erlend> jkg: he's using putty on Windows. The sshd seems to be working fine though.
[18:12] <jkg> doh, that's what I get for only skimming the conversation :)
[18:12] <jo-erlend> StSapph: seing as this is a Windows PC -- have you tried rebooting? :)
[18:12] <StSapph> Bleh. Don't think I have a livecd laying around here to try that.
[18:13] <StSapph> Haha, touché
[18:13] <StSapph> I have not
[18:13] <jo-erlend> StSapph: do that and come back, will you? :)
[18:13]  * StSapph nods
[18:16] <scott__> New account workflow question. I have sshd configured to not allow password auth; keys only. How do I get the new users' public key into their ~/.ssh? Seems like a lot of gymnastics.
[18:18] <jo-erlend> scott__: gymnastics?
[18:18] <shauno> it should be pretty straight forward.  cat key >>/home/$USER/.ssh/authorized_keys & remember to clean up permissions before you leave  (ssh likes 600 on everything)
[18:18] <shauno> or rather, the other way around, it complains if things are world-readable
[18:18] <scott__> Right...a bit more specific: Ubuntu on a VPS. Clients are coming in from a couple of MacBook Pros using Terminal.
[18:19] <scott__> Somehow I have to get their id_rsa.pub file into their ~/.ssh on the Ubuntu box. They can't do it, since they can't log in yet...
[18:19] <scott__> shauno: I follow you on the chmod 600 business.
[18:19] <jo-erlend> scott__: ftp?
[18:20] <scott__> VPS only allows SSH. There's probably an easy answer here, I'm just spacing.
[18:20] <jo-erlend> webdav? There are lots of ways of transferring files from one computer to another.
[18:20] <scott__> jo-erlend: If I allow passwords, then I can just do scp. Very tempting.
[18:21] <shauno> is this a vps per user?
[18:21] <scott__> About 5 real people on this VPS. I'm on it now with an account that permits ssh and has sudo privs.
[18:21] <scott__> And now I'm trying to setup my buddy, on his Mac. I can generate his pub/private key pair, but I can't easily put it in his Ubuntu account .ssh.
[18:22] <scott__> Since I can't log in. This is like looking in a set of parallel funhouse mirrors.
[18:22] <scott__> First thought is to just allow passwords (change sshd_config). Then have them scp their id_rsa.pub file from Mac to VPS.
[18:23] <scott__> But the whole point of this is to disable password access. It's a chicken-and-egg problem.
[18:23] <jkg> surely you can log in as you, use sudo to be able to write to his .ssh/authorized_keys, and all is right with the world
[18:23] <jkg> there's no harm in him giving you his public key, after all
[18:24] <jkg> (in fact, why does sshd care about the world readability of that file? writeability, sure...)
[18:24] <scott__> jkg: I think I follow you...
[18:24] <Mr_Midnight> why not enable passwords for the 5 min it will take to upload the ssh key and then disable passwords again?
[18:24] <shauno> jkg: I'm not sure if it does for authorized_keys.  I've just made a happy of 600'ing the whole directory to make it easy
[18:24] <scott__> jkg: I just need to get access to his public key.
[18:24] <scott__> Mr_Midnight: I thought of that. Seemed like a hacky way to accomplish this, but very easy.
[18:24] <jkg> well he can just email you that, or print it and send it by carrier pigeon, or whatever you prefer :-)
[18:25] <scott__> jkg: Exactly. I need to get the file somehow. Maybe have him tweet it :)
[18:25] <jkg> right :) it's a public key, don't be shy. the only "attack" I can do with it is ... uh, give him access to things.
[18:25] <Mr_Midnight> might not fit inside of a tweet...
[18:26] <scott__> YEah, too long for 140 chars.
[18:26] <shauno> no-one uses email anymore?
[18:26] <scott__> One more question while we're on the subject...
[18:26] <scott__> Say I have two Macs. Do I reuse the same id_pub and id_pub.rsa file on both boxes? In otherwords, is that public key "me" or really "me-on-this-box"
[18:26] <scott__> Kinda existential.
[18:27] <shauno> it's essentially 'me', but sometimes having different keys in different places is beneficial  (quit blurring the lines between work & home).  but otherwise, using the same key everywhere isn't problemative
[18:27] <StSapph> No luck restarting :(
[18:27] <shauno> ugh, can't type today.  isn't problematic
[18:28] <jo-erlend> StSapph: disable your Windows firewall.
[18:28] <scott__> shauno: thanks. that helps a lot.
[18:28] <brock> i am having problems with uec & eucalyptus anyone that has knowlege would be helpfull
[18:28] <brock> thank you
[18:28] <scott__> Thanks jkg, Mr_Midnight, shauno. Back to ssh'ing.
[18:28] <shauno> scott__: my key lives on a usb stick and literally follows me everywhere
[18:28] <scott__> shauno: oh excellent idea!
[18:28] <scott__> shauno: just the public key, right?
[18:29] <shauno> that wouldn't be much use :)
[18:29] <StSapph> jo-erlend: Windows Firewall is turned off
[18:29] <StSapph> Has been
[18:29] <scott__> shauno: So I gotta protect that somehow in case the key is lost.
[18:29] <shauno> scott__: indeed.  if you lose the key, you login with a backup and empty your authorized_keys
[18:30] <shauno> (or if you've got key only auth, replace it with a new one)
[18:30] <jo-erlend> StSapph: then I have no idea. Since your Ubuntu Server does what it's supposed to, I'd recommend that you ask in ##Windows, at least until you've been able to test Ubuntu on the same machine.
[18:30] <brock> i am having problems with uec & eucalyptus anyone that has knowlege would be helpfull
[18:30] <scott__> shauno: got it. So far, haven't ever lost my physical keys (knock on wood).
[18:30] <StSapph> Will do. Thanks for your help in narrowing down where the issue is  :)
[18:31] <brock> i am having problems with cloud & eucalyptus anyone that has knowlege would be helpfull
[18:31] <brock> keypiar wont auth correct anyone run into this problem
[18:32] <zul> sorry i had a power outage
[18:33] <kinja> hey, I'm having problems installing Ubuntu server onto an older computer and I was wondering if someone here could help?
[18:34] <brock> whats it doing
[18:36] <kinja> well, when I go to install it i get through it asking me about my keyboard and a few other tests it runs, and then i belive it says "checking hardware" to which the loading bar gets to abbout 90% and the screen goes blue with a white bar under it, is that what is supposed to happen? or is there something wron with the hard ware? Im pretty new to linux but im sure you can tell
[18:37] <brock> whats hardware specs
[18:38] <kinja> im not 100% sure, I dont remember how much ram I put in but not much, its a 32 bit processor, 3.2GB hard drive,
[18:39] <kinja> cyrix M2 -366 processor
[18:40] <kinja> would that blue screen happen if it didnt have enough ram?
[18:40] <brock> 128 mb ram server
[18:41] <brock> 4 gig hd
[18:41] <brock> are min requirments
[18:41] <brock> looks like your hd doesnt have enough space
[18:42] <kinja> ok thanks!
[19:02] <brock> i am having problems with cloud & eucalyptus anyone that has knowlege would be helpfull
[19:02] <brock> keypiar wont auth correct anyone run into this problem
[19:29] <eitri> Hi. I've just installed ubuntu server on a old computer, given it reserved an ip address on the Dlink dir-655, but I cannot access or even ping the internet from my server. Can someone help me with this?
[19:30] <air^> eitri: using dhcp or static? is your gateway correct? dns working?
[19:38] <hggdh> smoser: yet another Q... the ec2 image for maverick 64 bits us-east-1 (ami-4e29da27) reports as a -virtual
[19:38] <hggdh> smoser: both on uname -r and /proc/version_signature
[19:39] <smoser> hggdh, that is correct. it is -virtual
[19:39] <smoser> in maverick, it moved from being a sub-flavour to a flavour
[19:40] <hggdh> smoser: thank you. I am getting utterly lost ;-)
[19:41] <smoser> but the hardy one is an issue
[19:41] <smoser> you should open a bug on that
[19:41] <hggdh> will do
[19:50] <donvito2> when ubuntu-server runs i got SSL sertificate error than FAIL
[19:51] <donvito2> it says i need to do something in apache/conf
[19:58] <donvito2> weird
[19:58] <donvito2> no one knows
[19:58] <Pici> It literally says "you need to do something in apache/conf"?
[19:58] <donvito2> let me check
[19:59] <donvito2> Syntax error on line 183
[20:00] <Mr_Midnight> so what does line 183 say in the file?
[20:00] <donvito2> on /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/apache2.conf
[20:00] <donvito2> second im reading because server is on other room
[20:02] <donvito2> SSLACertificatepath : direcotry /var/lib/ebox/conf/ssl-ca/ does not exist {FAIL}
[20:03] <donvito2> how to disable this?
[20:03] <donvito2> or fix it
[20:03] <Mr_Midnight> well do you need SSL?
[20:03] <donvito2> no at all
[20:04] <Mr_Midnight> ok then check the apache2.conf file for where it says to use SSL
[20:04] <donvito2> looks like ebox have done something i dont want
[20:04] <boxybrown> when I run service --status-all, a bunch of services are shown with a [ ? ] next to them.  any idea what this means?
[20:10] <donvito2> how to disable sites-enable at all?
[20:13] <StSapph> jo-erlend: In case you were wondering, I just found a resolution - it was a random local network issue that they just fixed  :)
[20:13] <jo-erlend> StSapph: more precise?
[20:14] <StSapph> jo-erlend: No clue. I got an email from corporate IT saying "Durr, we broke something and now it's fixed"
[20:15] <jo-erlend> sounds abit like my previous colocation provider.
[20:16] <boxybrown> so bcfg2 -vqn is definitely saying my autofs and ssh entries are Incorrect
[20:16] <boxybrown> unless I set the status='off'
[20:16] <boxybrown> even though they are definitely currently on...
[20:17] <StSapph> Thanks again for all of your help, though. Later.
[20:23] <donvito2> this ebox
[20:23] <donvito2> sux
[20:23] <donvito2> he made my box
[20:23] <donvito2> to reformat now
[20:23] <donvito2> damn
[20:23] <donvito2> why ubuntu is more for ebox
[20:23] <donvito2> webmin is way way better
[20:24] <Pici> !webmin
[20:24] <jo-erlend> yes. It's. Nice.              To. Write.              Like. That.
[20:24] <Pici> !enter
[20:24] <jo-erlend> Pici: that was much better :)
[20:25] <donvito2> yes Pici im telling my experience with ebox and webmin
[20:25] <Pici> donvito2: and we're saying that webmin isn't supported.
[20:26] <donvito2> than your support about ebox sux all the way, cause it does problems with apache2 ports!
[20:26] <jo-erlend> donvito2: that's not very precise.
[20:27] <donvito2> yes it is, my box is going crazy just because i tryed ebox, first ebox is bad bad with configuring it there are bunch of not figured out things and stuffs
[20:38] <oljas> problem with dahdi module. linux-image-2.6.35-23-server & linux-headers-2.6.35-23-server installed. but when i run "m-a a-i dahdi", module assintant says "no valid kernel headers to use". any thoughts?
[20:38] <_1094kms> _1094kms: I think I set up a chrooted cronjob - might be the answer.
[20:38] <Daviey> oljas, Have you installed the kernel headers?
[20:39] <Daviey> oljas, Why use m-a, dkms should handle it?
[20:39] <oljas> linux-headers-2.6.35-23-server installed. is that enough?
[20:39] <Daviey> should be...
[20:40] <Daviey> .. but we added dkms support so you shouldn't need to use m-a
[20:41] <Daviey> oljas, try installing dahdi-dkms
[20:41] <oljas> im messing with it because dahdi not working outofthebox. ill try dkms
[20:45] <brock> i am having problems with cloud & eucalyptus anyone that has knowlege would be helpfull
[20:47] <brock> i am having problems with cloud & eucalyptus anyone that has knowlege would be helpfull
[20:48] <oljas> Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 2.6.35-23-server (x86_64) should i revert from this kernel?
[20:52] <Daviey> !ask | brock
[20:54] <Daviey> oljas, Can you pastebin /var/lib/dkms/dahdi/*/build/make.log ?
[20:56] <oljas> reverted & rebooting, ill try to do the same with stock kernel
[20:56] <Daviey> oljas, ok - great
[20:57] <Daviey> oljas, I'm not fully here atm... but will read scrollback
[21:00] <oljas> Daviey, it works with stock kernel! Thanks!
[21:00] <Daviey> oljas, would like to find out why it is failing on the -server flavour for you eventually
[21:05] <oljas> Daviey, en is not my language, what do You want to know literally?
[21:15] <hhhzzzarn> hello.
[21:16] <hhhzzzarn> Anyone there to help?
[21:18] <ikonia> yes
[21:18] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: what's the issue you're seeing ?
[21:18] <hhhzzzarn> right now
[21:19] <hhhzzzarn> i do not have "downloads, pictures, others
[21:19] <hhhzzzarn> but if i start vncserver
[21:19] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: that's because the /root folder is not used, the root account is locked
[21:19] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: the directories you want should be under your users home directories
[21:19] <hhhzzzarn> how can i make a home folder?
[21:19] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: your user will already have a home directory
[21:19] <hhhzzzarn> i have a vps
[21:19] <hhhzzzarn> i do not have a user.
[21:19] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: when you create a user, a home directory is auto crewated
[21:19] <hhhzzzarn> i do not know the name
[21:20] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: how are you logged in ?
[21:20] <hhhzzzarn> through ssh.
[21:20] <hhhzzzarn> should i go connect through vnc then?
[21:20] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: using what username ?
[21:20] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: no, using what username are you logged in on ssh
[21:20] <hhhzzzarn> if i connect through vnc, it will create home folder.
[21:20] <hhhzzzarn> root
[21:20] <hhhzzzarn> root@ip
[21:20] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: ok, then that is not a stock ubuntu install, contact the person who sold you the VPS and ask for support
[21:21] <hhhzzzarn> ikonia: if i use vnc viewer then it will create a user and a home folder.
[21:21] <hhhzzzarn> but i do not want to install vncserver.
[21:21] <hhhzzzarn> should i?
[21:21] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: no, it's not a stock ubuntu install, contact the person who sold you the vps and ask for support
[21:22] <hhhzzzarn> its unmanaged.
[21:22] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: just create a new user and log in as that user with your ssh client, and the home will be created automatically.
[21:22] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: pay for support from that user
[21:22] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: please show me the output of the command "uname -a"
[21:22] <hhhzzzarn> wait
[21:23] <hhhzzzarn> libaudiofile0
[21:23] <hhhzzzarn> wait. i can't copy from puttyu.
[21:23] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: please show me the output of the command "uname -a"
[21:23] <ikonia> no problem, no rush
[21:23] <hhhzzzarn> how do i copy in putty?
[21:23] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: just type it out
[21:23] <hhhzzzarn> ubuntu putty.
[21:24] <hhhzzzarn> ok
[21:24] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: just the output of uname -r will do
[21:24] <ikonia> it's shorter for you
[21:24] <hhhzzzarn> linux server 2.6.18-198.1.e15 .028stab079.2 #1 SMP fri DEc 17 19:25:15 MSK 2010 i686 GNU.Linux
[21:25] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: that is not an ubuntu machine
[21:25] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: please contact your vps provider for support
[21:25] <hhhzzzarn> uname -r: 2.6.18-194.26.1.e15......2
[21:25] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: don't worry - it's a modified linux distro, your vps provider can support it
[21:25] <Daviey> oljas, would be good to know why the -server kernel failed with dkms on dahdi
[21:25] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: right. You're not using Ubuntu.
[21:27] <hhhzzzarn> jo-erlend: what should i ask them?
[21:27] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: for help/supportr
[21:27] <ikonia> support
[21:27] <hhhzzzarn> it will be a sales support.
[21:27] <Daviey> hhhzzzarn, Why do you care about "downloads, pictures, others"?
[21:27] <Daviey> surely you can just create them?
[21:28] <hhhzzzarn> its because, i was trying to copy a freenx custom key from the folder to my home drive
[21:28] <hhhzzzarn> and it did not copy
[21:28] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: you may need to pay them for support, don't know, ask them for help/technical support
[21:28] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: we don't support custom Linux / ubuntu distros
[21:28] <shauno> hhhzzzarn: can I ask what"lsb_release -r" gives you ?
[21:28] <hhhzzzarn> rekease:        10.04
[21:29] <hhhzzzarn> release:    10.04
[21:29] <Daviey> hhhzzzarn, How were you trying to copy it?
[21:29] <KB1JWQ> hhhzzzarn: I run that myself, it's big fun.  But do realize it's a custom kernel. :-)
[21:29] <hhhzzzarn> hold on.
[21:29] <ikonia> I have no problem with it, but we don't support it here
[21:29] <KB1JWQ> They're either using openvz or Virtuozzo.
[21:29] <ikonia> we are not here to support someones business for modified ubuntu versions#
[21:29] <hhhzzzarn> sudo cp /var/lib/nxserver/home/.ssh/client.id_dsa.key ~/
[21:29] <KB1JWQ> ikonia: I've gotten support on it here, but only for issues that are distinctly non-kernel related. :-)
[21:29] <ikonia> hhhzzzarn: enough here please.
[21:29] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: then you are naughty
[21:29] <shauno> you're not going to support the entire distro because the vendor packaged their own kernel to run on their platform?
[21:29] <Daviey> ikonia, I'm happy to talk to him for now.
[21:30] <ikonia> Daviey: I appreciate that, but it's not the policy
[21:30] <Daviey> hhhzzzarn, What was the result of the command?
[21:30] <Daviey> ikonia, Can you link to this policy please?
[21:30] <KB1JWQ> Hold on a second, before we get all stabby.
[21:30] <KB1JWQ> hhhzzzarn: What's the actual problem you're seeing?
[21:30] <jo-erlend> ikonia: hmm. If it's very modified, then it becomes difficult to support it, but if it's just a matter of a custom kernel, then surely, this is the place to come to?
[21:31] <ikonia> jo-erlend: as I understand it the policy is stock ubuntu hence why we don't support custom kernels, but I'll raise it with the council
[21:31] <KB1JWQ> ikonia: Naughty perhaps, but I'm also very good at doing my own research. :-p
[21:31] <hhhzzzarn> I WILL LEAVE THE EXPERT WAY. I will go and solve it myself by gui. thank you very much
[21:31] <KB1JWQ> hhhzzzarn: "Expert" and "GUI" don't go together generally. :-)
[21:32] <hhhzzzarn> let me tell you this.
[21:32] <hhhzzzarn> fresh install  of ubuntu 10.04
[21:32] <Daviey> ikonia, I have *never* seen this policy documented anywhere.
[21:32] <KB1JWQ> hhhzzzarn: I've yet to see a coherent problem description from you.
[21:32] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, that's #centos.  Not #ubuntu-server.
[21:32] <Daviey> hhhzzzarn, Hold on.
[21:32] <hhhzzzarn> sudo apt-get ubuntu --no-recommends-install ubuntu-desktop.
[21:32] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: usually, the files you talked about are copied in at first login. But not for /root, which is a special user.
[21:32] <g_0_0> hhhzzzarn, are you trying to copy a key from your server to your local machine ?
[21:32] <Daviey> hhhzzzarn, So you tried to copy the ssh key, and it "failed".... how?
[21:32] <Daviey> hhhzzzarn, What did you see?
[21:32] <hhhzzzarn> i will do it again.
[21:34] <hhhzzzarn> i am sorry guys for confusing you. but that they key was not created in the first place.
[21:34] <hhhzzzarn> i will now try to create the key again.
[21:35] <Daviey> hhhzzzarn, ahh!
[21:35] <hhhzzzarn> "which authentication type should freenx use?  SSH   SU  PASSDB   Usermode
[21:35] <hhhzzzarn> last time i chose SSH
[21:36] <jo-erlend> hehe
[21:36] <jo-erlend> FreeNX uses ssh.
[21:36] <jo-erlend> oh, I misunderstood. :) But do use ssh. It's easier.
[21:36] <hhhzzzarn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[21:37] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: but I would seriously consider using X2Go instead.
[21:37] <hhhzzzarn> i am at "using Custom SSH Keys"
[21:37] <jo-erlend> well... Unless you're using Windows much. I think X2go-client for Windows is a little more buggy than Nomachines client, but except for that.
[21:38] <hhhzzzarn> X2go as fast?
[21:38] <Daviey> x2go is really quite promising.
[21:38] <hhhzzzarn> Because i need to do some graphical work on my vps
[21:39] <jo-erlend> yes, it too uses NX, but it's more integrated with Ubuntu, with support for PulseAudio, etc. And they have a nice Firefox plugin so you can run your applications directly in the browser.
[21:39] <hhhzzzarn> and when i tried vps
[21:39] <hhhzzzarn> i had to wait atleast 10 seconds between each click.
[21:39] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: what does that mean? "tried vps"?
[21:40] <hhhzzzarn> i meant tried vnc
[21:40] <hhhzzzarn> tighvncserver
[21:40] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: yes, those NX-based servers can be quite a bit faster, but you do need fairly low latency.
[21:41] <Daviey> hhhzzzarn, ahh... vnc is not a good solution for getting real stuff done... NX and x2go give you a better desktop experience
[21:41] <hhhzzzarn> ok
[21:42] <hhhzzzarn> i have installed freenx on remote and nxclient on my machine.
[21:42] <g_0_0> hhhzzzarn, if you had correctly generated the key, I think you should have been using scp not cp to copy the key to your local machine. If you're having a problem with that you could use winscp to copy it to your machine
[21:42] <hhhzzzarn> but i did not knew which user and pass to use to login.
[21:43] <hhhzzzarn> if i was to use the default freenx keys, which user and pass should i connect with?
[21:43] <Guest41571> DOES OPEN SSH BACK UP THE DATA
[21:45] <jo-erlend> Guest41571: please don't shout. No, ssh does not backup any data. It's just a way to communicate with your computer.
[21:54] <brock> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[21:54] <kim0__> help needed, NetworkManager is refusing to start with the message "failed to start the DHCP manager: no usable DHCP client could be found.." .. I've installed a couple of dhcp clients, but it's not helping .. any ideas ?
[21:56] <eitri> Hi. I'm looking for a non GUI bittorrent client that I can run on my ubuntu server. Any sugestions?
[21:56] <kim0__> eitri: rtorrent
[21:57] <jo-erlend> eitri: Transmission is nice.
[21:58] <eitri> I've tried to figure ut transmission. But I can't seem to figure out how it actually works
[21:58] <hhhzzzarn> jo-erlend: Does freenx and x2go login to the existing session? or from what I read it createds a new session.
[21:58] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: you can resume sessions, yes.
[21:58] <eitri> kim0_: I thought rtorrent was old at not well updated?
[21:58] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: it does not connect you to the console though. That can't FreeNX do either.
[22:00] <SpamapS> lifeless: sup?
[22:00] <lifeless> SpamapS: lucandra
[22:00] <lifeless> is it packaged?
[22:01] <hhhzzzarn> So if i were to start a graphical program using any remote desktop (vnc, nx) and then close my session.
[22:01] <hhhzzzarn> If i want to check on it at night
[22:01] <hhhzzzarn> would the program be still  running?
[22:01] <kim0__> hhhzzzarn: yes
[22:01] <jo-erlend> eitri: really? It's very easy. Just type transmissioncli and it'll show you all the options you _can_ add for a torrent.
[22:02] <SpamapS> lifeless: not that I know of
[22:02] <SpamapS> lifeless: I believe Solandra is superceding lucandra since it includes all the magic of SOLR :)
[22:02]  * SpamapS can't spel
[22:03] <jo-erlend> eitri: for example: transmissioncli --no-downlimit --uplimit=50 ubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-64.iso. <-- that'll start downloading the iso-file with no limit of download speed, but limit the upload speed. There are other options too.
[22:03] <eitri> jo-erlend: lol. hadn't found that command. thx. Is there a way to get a live overview of all downloading and uploading torrents?
[22:04] <lifeless> SpamapS: what does solandra use as a search engine?
[22:04] <lifeless> SpamapS: is it a reim of lucene on cassandra, or does it incorporate lucandra?
[22:04] <SpamapS> lifeless: lucene.. its lucandra done via solr
[22:04] <NightDragon> does anyone know anything about GLPI?
[22:04] <jo-erlend> eitri: the web-interface is very nice.
[22:04] <lifeless> SpamapS: ok, so solandra is what I want then... is *it* packaged? :)
[22:04] <jo-erlend> eitri: looks just like the interface in a normal ubuntu desktop install.
[22:05] <SpamapS> lifeless: heh.. no.. but I want to make sure you ask for the right thing to be packaged. :)
[22:05]  * lifeless wants a bikkit
[22:05] <lifeless> wanna wanna wanna
[22:05] <lifeless> SpamapS: https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/OopsDisplay
[22:06] <eitri> jo-erlend: Problem is I'll be using this on a server placed in a different network than from where I'll actually be connected (if that makes sense?). And I don't think that network will let me access that webpage
[22:06] <hhhzzzarn> kim0: I logged in through ssh to the vps as root. Then I would do "vncserver :1". Then i start my vnc viewer and connect to my vps. I then start my graphical program and leave it on. After i close my viewer. If i close "vncserver -kill :1" it will kill the program because when i start vncserver again and connect. I see empty ubuntu desktop.
[22:07] <SpamapS> lifeless: whats the data size? SOLR can handle huge amounts of data w/o cassandra's help.. lucandra/solandra just handle heavy writes
[22:07] <lifeless> SpamapS: i'm designing for 1M oops records a day
[22:07] <oljas> Daviey, ok I reproduced the problem, http://pastebin.com/bjB8QYB8 , if you still curious.
[22:07] <jo-erlend> eitri: I think I'll refer you to #transmission
[22:08] <lifeless> SpamapS: allowing for one order of magnitude growth and a 1% soft failure rate of the live services.
[22:08] <eitri> jo-erlend: k, thanks for the help
[22:08] <jo-erlend> eitri: there is a new transmission-remote-gtk too, but I haven't tried it.
[22:09] <SpamapS> lifeless: if you're going to delete 1M oops's per day too.. then cassandra may actually suffer.
[22:09] <hhhzzzarn> So far, i have discovered that only when i start vnc server that ubuntu logs on and start gnome.
[22:09] <lifeless> SpamapS: soft failure being 'something degraded, grab details for aggregation/analysis' - vs hard failure like timeout/exception
[22:09] <Daviey> oljas, Thanks for doing that.. I'll make a point of trying to reproduce that soon.
[22:09] <lifeless> SpamapS: we will, yes. Thats not a huge IO load
[22:09] <SpamapS> lifeless: cassandra has to use tombstones and compaction to deal w/ deletes ... the sliding window of data requires a lot of extra resources.
[22:10] <lifeless> SpamapS: initial concept is a 3% of data delete a day
[22:10] <lifeless> SpamapS: and a 3% insertion (30 day retention)
[22:10] <SpamapS> lifeless: I suppose that should be doable
[22:10] <lifeless> SpamapS: it'll aggregate well into the slabs because its a FIFO
[22:18] <eitri> jo-erlend: Doesn't gtk mean graphical? I'm runnig this on ubuntu server with no graphical interface. But thanks for the help. I'll make contact with the guys at transmission
[22:19] <SpamapS> lifeless: there have been some recent discussions about mass range based deletes (they're hard)
[22:20] <SpamapS> Though solr has a mechanism for destroying documents that may make that better
[22:21] <lifeless> SpamapS: I don't think we'd need that - having written a slab based database with garbage compaction - its possible to make it harder than it needs to be :)
[22:23] <hhhzzzarn> What do these commands do? sudo apt-get install gdm
[22:23] <hhhzzzarn> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[22:23] <hhhzzzarn> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:24] <hhhzzzarn> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start > service gdm start
[22:24] <jo-erlend> eitri: transmission-remote-gtk is a graphical user interface that you can run on your desktop to control your bt client as if you run it locally.
[22:26] <kim0> hhhzzzarn: don't kill the vncserver .. leave it running!
[22:28] <hhhzzzarn> kim0: now i want to use freenx. but I do not know what to login with and which password to use.
[22:28] <hhhzzzarn> i tried "root" and password
[22:28] <hhhzzzarn> but it did not work.
[22:28] <hhhzzzarn> i do not know any other users then root.
[22:30] <hhhzzzarn> kim0: Does gui start automatically when i boot my vps?
[22:30] <hhhzzzarn> Does it login automatically?
[22:30] <kim0> hhhzzzarn: gdm ? depends on the installation
[22:31] <hhhzzzarn> kim0: i start with ubuntu 10.04 server.
[22:31] <eitri> jo-erlend: got it :) I'll look into it. Thanks
[22:31] <kim0> "dpkg -L dhcp3-client" → no binaries in that package ?? is that normal
[22:31] <hhhzzzarn> I installed # sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[22:32] <kim0> hhhzzzarn: why dont you like vnc
[22:32] <hhhzzzarn> because the program i am working is a game bot.
[22:33] <hhhzzzarn> but it is slow. one click takes 10 seconds.
[22:33] <kim0> duh .. shouldn't be that bad
[22:33] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: if you use X2go or freenx, then you don't have to start any guis on the server.
[22:33] <jo-erlend> kim0: vnc is usually extremely slow compared with x2go and freenx.
[22:34] <kim0> hhhzzzarn: if u wanna play with x2go (a freenx dialect) this article might be useful http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2010/11/show-off-ubuntu-desktop-on-cloud.html
[22:34] <kim0> jo-erlend: well yeah, but not 10 seconds :)
[22:34] <hhhzzzarn> my problem right now that when i use "root" and password to login.
[22:34] <hhhzzzarn> it will not connect.
[22:34] <jo-erlend> kim0: x2go is _not_ a FreeNX "dialect". They're not even compatible. But both use Nomachines NX libraries.
[22:35] <jo-erlend> kim0: that depends. It may lag more than that if you have low bandwidth, high latency and lots of graphics.
[22:35] <kim0> I just meant they're based on the same code .. I know they're incompat indeed
[22:35] <hhhzzzarn> jo-erland, if you could help me with login, that would be great.
[22:35] <hhhzzzarn> that is my main problem now.
[22:35] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: login with what?
[22:35] <hhhzzzarn> with nx client to freenx server
[22:36] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: are you in the nx group?
[22:36] <hhhzzzarn> you mean if i added "AllowUsers nx" to the sshd_config?
[22:36] <jo-erlend> hmm? You aren't able to connect with ssh?
[22:37] <hhhzzzarn> wait.
[22:38] <hhhzzzarn> All the commands i used: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:freenx-team              sudo apt-get install freenx        sudo cp nxsetup /usr/lib/nx/nxsetup         sudo /usr/lib/nx/nxsetup --install
[22:38] <hhhzzzarn> and nothing else.
[22:39] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: seems right, although I haven't used freenx in a long time. But what's the problem?
[22:39] <hhhzzzarn> i also installed nxclient on my local machine
[22:39] <jo-erlend> don't use the root user for desktop stuff, btw. It's a bad habit. Create a new user for yourself: sudo adduser username
[22:39] <hhhzzzarn> i do not know which "username" and "password" to use to connect.
[22:40] <hhhzzzarn> on nxclient from ubuntu.
[22:40] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: you have to make one. I just told you how.
[22:40] <hhhzzzarn> i was not there when you told me
[22:40] <hhhzzzarn> i closed
[22:40] <jo-erlend> yes, you were.
[22:40] <hhhzzzarn> or maybe i was not listening.
[22:40] <hhhzzzarn> can you please tell me again.
[22:40] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: listening? sudo adduser username
[22:41] <hhhzzzarn> room number?
[22:41] <jo-erlend> then, add that new user to the nx group: sudo adduser the_username_you_chose nx
[22:41] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: just press enter.
[22:42] <hhhzzzarn> thank you very much.
[22:42] <kim0> Help please! network-manager is refusing to start for me with message "main(): failed to start the DHCP manager: no usable DHCP client could be found.." .. Any ideas ?
[22:42] <hhhzzzarn> i will try now.
[22:42] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: you got that second part too? Adding the user to the nx group?
[22:43] <RoAkSoAx> kim0: dhclient is broken
[22:43] <hhhzzzarn> yes
[22:43] <kim0> RoAkSoAx: oh!
[22:43] <kim0> RoAkSoAx: any workarounds ?
[22:43] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: very good. Then you should be able to login. The first time it'll be slow, since it creates lots of files.
[22:43] <RoAkSoAx> kim0: ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/724556
[22:43] <RoAkSoAx> kim0: it's been fixed already so binaries will be available soon
[22:44] <hhhzzzarn> established the display connection, still waitining.
[22:44] <kim0> phew .. that was a nice time to reboot
[22:44] <kim0> RoAkSoAx: thanks man!
[22:44] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: yes, as I said, the first login will take a little time.
[22:44] <RoAkSoAx> kim0: indeed!! had my two laptops with the issue :)
[22:44] <RoAkSoAx> no probs
[22:44] <kim0> lol :)
[22:44] <hhhzzzarn> Ok, i do not know why one simple solution dragged on.
[22:45] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: hmm?
[22:45] <hhhzzzarn> maybe i was not reading your directions at that time.
[22:45] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: then I take it the problem is solved?
[22:45] <hhhzzzarn> i was reading the other persons. Thank you very much i connected.
[22:46] <hhhzzzarn> so the freenx starts everytime i boot? no command required like "vncserver :1"?
[22:46] <jo-erlend> hhhzzzarn: yes, you can disable gdm completely. You don't need to run anything when the server isn't in use.
[22:48] <hhhzzzarn> i installed gdm. is it required my purposes? or should i remove it?
[22:48] <hhhzzzarn> thank you
[22:48] <jo-erlend> you don't have to remove it, but you can disable it in order to save some memory.
[22:49] <hhhzzzarn> command to disable gdm please..
[22:49] <jo-erlend> sorry. I don't remember.
[22:49] <hhhzzzarn> i will find it.
[22:49] <hhhzzzarn> good day.
[22:49] <hhhzzzarn> thank you again.
[22:49] <jo-erlend> you're welcome.
[22:51] <jo-erlend> now, if only someone could hurry up and give Ubuntu support for SPICE, I'd be happy :)
[22:52] <kim0> jo-erlend: hallyn is working on it :)
[22:53] <jo-erlend> nice! :)
[22:53] <azizLIGHTS> how do i run these scripts in cron but at different times
[22:54] <azizLIGHTS> */30 * * * *  /bin/bash /home/aziz/speed-test-http.sh
[22:54] <azizLIGHTS> */30 * * * *  /bin/bash /home/aziz/speed-test-ssh.sh
[22:54] <azizLIGHTS> but not at the same 30 minutes
[22:55] <kim0> azizLIGHTS: replace */30 with 10,40 in one script and 20,60 in the other .. I hope I didn't get the syntax wrong
[22:56] <kim0> I think 25,55 is more aligned ;)
[22:56] <azizLIGHTS> how come?
[22:57] <kim0> 10,40  * * * *  /bin/bash /home/aziz/speed-test-http.sh
[22:57] <kim0> 25,55  * * * *  /bin/bash /home/aziz/speed-test-ssh.sh
[22:57] <kim0> azizLIGHTS: rusty memory .. might be wrong on syntax
[22:57] <azizLIGHTS> lol ok
[22:58] <azizLIGHTS> it sounds right
[22:58] <azizLIGHTS> how can i verify
[22:58] <kim0> just see if the job runs :)
[23:03] <azizLIGHTS> how about this
[23:03] <azizLIGHTS> 10,40 * * * * /bin/bash /home/aziz/speed-test-http.sh >>/home/aziz/speedtest_err_http.log 2>&1
[23:04] <azizLIGHTS> does that log errs
[23:04] <kim0> why not test with a simpler command on a */1
[23:05] <kim0> azizLIGHTS: if it doesn't work .. maybe this will /bin/bash -c '/home/aziz/speed-test-http.sh >/home/aziz/speedtest_err_http.log 2>&1'
[23:05] <azizLIGHTS> i mean does that pipe do logging as i think it does?
[23:06] <azizLIGHTS> im running exec >> speedtests_http.csv from inside the script itself, will that interfere
[23:06] <azizLIGHTS> on the console i can still see errors, and id like them to be logged
[23:11] <hydrozii> how can i set up a virtual server in ubuntu-server?
[23:14] <kim0> hydrozii: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM (or virtualbox-ose)
[23:15] <hydrozii> kim0 thankyou :)
[23:16] <kim0> welcome
[23:16] <RoyK> lol - check RHEL prices
[23:16] <RoyK> someone's getting greedy
[23:16] <RoAkSoAx> .win 22
[23:16] <RoAkSoAx> argh
[23:17] <RoyK> wtf. bloody irssi doesn't allow me to escape / with //
[23:18] <hydrozii> does the default install of ubunutu server setup the computer with a local static Ip?
[23:18] <RoyK> hydrozii: the default asks for an address on DHCP
[23:18] <RoyK> but it's trivial to change that, either during install, or later
[23:19] <hydrozii> how can i do it later?
[23:19] <RoyK> vi /etc/network/interfaces
[23:19] <hydrozii> oh yah
[23:19] <RoyK> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[23:20] <RoyK> or jfgfi
[23:20] <hydrozii> stupid keyboard doesn't have a working I or K :(
[23:20] <RoyK> lol
[23:20] <RoyK> get a new one
[23:20] <RoyK> or a 20 year old one :P
[23:21] <hydrozii> i don't wanna wait 3-5 business days for amazon to ship another one :(
[23:21] <RoyK> 1991 keyboards still work... 1985 ones is a bit harder - that DIN stick isn't that useful these days
[23:21] <RoyK> hydrozii: isn't there a shop nearby that has one to sell?
[23:22] <hydrozii> idk maybe like walmart
[23:22] <RoyK> or an office building with a dozen of old ones from which you can choose?


[18:45] <raevol> anyone done stuff with XML? as in, pulled data off a web service in XML format?
[18:47] <blitz> I've worked with xml
[18:47] <blitz> at my last job that's how we passed data between services
[18:52] <raevol> so, if i have a web service that will serve me data as an xml, and i need to get that data into a database, should i just write a script that fetches that URL periodically, parses the data, and sends any updates to the database?
[19:06] <pleia2> yeah, and most programming languages already have xml parsers as modules or libraries so it's not too hard
[19:17] <blitz> we kind of had a REST like interface, when you retrieved from the db, you'd get the xml representation of the data, and then if you modified it on the page and hit save you send an xml request back to the back end that parses it and updates the database
[19:25] <raevol> cool, ok
[19:25] <raevol> yea my problem is that i interact with my database by emailing it
[19:26] <raevol> i need to read the XML, parse it, and send emails a la https://oss.trac.surfsara.nl/email2trac
[19:26] <darthrobot> Title: [email2trac]
[19:26] <raevol> i'll figure it out though, i've just never messed with XML before so i wanted to make sure i am approaching at least the reading part of it right