[03:40] <Riddell> "Implement a new build debian/rules build engine (dubbed dhmk) for Qt/KDE" oh just what the world needs, another debian package build system
[03:40] <maco> haha
[03:40] <maco> where'd you read that from?
[03:41] <Riddell> just committed to pkg-kde-tools in debian
[03:59] <nigelb> I'm thinking I should fall sick for work and just head to the conf.
[03:59]  * nigelb ponders
[04:02] <valorie> do it, and invoke your cloaking mechanism so the boss can't find you!
[04:03] <nigelb> haha
[04:03] <nigelb> I might be stupid and blog or tweet
[04:03] <nigelb> so weary
[04:03] <nigelb> and the boss knows I wnated to go to conf.kde.in so he might turn up there.
[04:03] <valorie> he won't budge, and let you go for even one day?
[04:04] <nigelb> No.
[04:04] <nigelb> At least I met all these folks for dinner twice.
[04:04]  * valorie calls nigelb's boss all kinds of nasty things
[04:04] <nigelb> Pre-conf party and also last night.
[04:04] <nigelb> I've been calling my boss all sorts of nasty things lately.
[04:05] <maco> and soon you will call him "ex-boss"!
[04:05] <Daskreech> sounds like grounds to look for a new job
[04:05] <valorie> duct-tape him to his chair and go!
[04:05] <nigelb> maco: yes, light at the end of the tunnel
[04:05] <nigelb> Daskreech: I did, I got.  A few more weeks left ;)
[04:06] <Daskreech> ;-)
[04:06] <Daskreech> camp KDE! :)
[04:06] <nigelb> I now have project neon stickers on my laptop
[04:06] <nigelb> I hope there's at least one Kubuntu sticker with Riddell by evening.
[04:06] <valorie> jealousy!
[04:06] <nigelb> I'm printing Debian stickers for the DD :D
[04:08] <nigelb> ok, sigh, work time.
[04:08] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}} to nigelb
[04:14]  * Daskreech hugs valorie to keep up his schedule
[04:14] <maco> Daskreech: you have a hugging schedule?
[04:14] <Daskreech> :)
[04:18] <valorie> {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}} back
[04:20] <Riddell> nigelb: tazz did aquire kubuntu stickers
[04:21] <shadeslayer> nigelb: oh nice.
[04:21] <shadeslayer> nigelb: /me wants
[04:21] <Daskreech> http://adainitiative.org/projects/census/
[04:29] <tazz> shadeslayer, when is your talk ?
[04:33] <Riddell> tazz: his is the last one before closing talk
[04:33] <tazz> ah... the 2nd last one... pressure on shadeslayer... :p
[04:34] <tazz> build-up for the final keynote for the last talk of conf.kde.in
[04:41] <shadeslayer> tazz: yeah .... and i don't feel so good as well
[04:42] <tazz> shadeslayer, stage fright ?
[04:42] <shadeslayer> tazz: no... bengaluru food doesn't agree with me
[04:43] <tazz> hmm
[04:43] <tazz> shadeslayer, eat minimum till your talk.
[04:43] <shadeslayer> yeah
[04:43] <shadeslayer> i had like half a bread this morning
[04:43] <shadeslayer> s/bread/bread piece
[04:46] <nigelb> Riddell: yes, I know
[04:47] <nigelb> shadeslayer: kart_ hasn't mailed them to me yet
[04:47] <nigelb> shadeslayer: can poke when ou see him?
[04:47] <shadeslayer> sure
[04:49] <nigelb> valorie: thanks
[04:53] <nigelb> shadeslayer: right.  food doesn't agree with you.
[04:53] <shadeslayer> nigelb: seriously ....
[04:54] <nigelb> ok, no comments at the momment :P
[05:19] <nigelb> shadeslayer: how much time did it take to print?
[05:19] <ScottK> away
[05:20] <nigelb> darn
[05:21]  * nigelb texts
[05:21] <ScottK> Or not.
[05:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: The workspace build finished.  The log is named log.workspace and I put it in your home directory on the arm box.  The actual .debs are around too if you need them.
[06:39] <valorie> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0001xgp.html
[06:39] <valorie> 8.8 in HONSHU
[06:40]  * valorie is hoping persia is nowhere near
[06:45] <nigelb> persia is .jp, but I hope there isn't a tsunami.
[06:46] <valorie> there is, actually
[06:46] <valorie> honshu is japan
[06:46] <nigelb> oh, ouch :(
[07:10] <nigelb> valorie: jono just said he's okay :)
[07:10] <valorie> thanks, nigelb
[07:11] <valorie> lots of others are not
[07:11] <valorie> 8.8 is HUGE
[07:11] <nigelb> yeah :(
[08:37] <bambee> morning
[09:22] <Riddell> bambee: so oyu got ubuntu running on your smartbook thing?
[09:23] <bambee> Riddell: yup, maverick
[09:23] <bambee> I've many things to fix
[09:23] <bambee> but It works
[09:24] <bambee> Riddell: actually this is ubuntu-netbook with unity, but I will install kubuntu-netbook
[09:24] <bambee> and test with kde :D
[09:27] <Riddell> bambee: which ARM image does it use?
[09:28] <bambee> Riddell: an nvidia tegra 2 => cortexA9-based
[09:29] <bambee> Riddell: at the last UDS, canonical did not say that they  would try to discuss with nvidia about the tegra on linux ?
[09:29] <bambee> (I can be wrong...)
[09:30] <bambee> Riddell: ohh sorry you asked me about image, I use an image ported by the community and not an official image
[09:31] <bambee> however I could test with the omap4 image... except the kernel it should work...
[09:33] <c2tarun> Riddell: ping
[09:33] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: he has a talk in a few minutes, so don't think he is around
[09:34] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ok, sure.
[09:34] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: actually I just saw his reply so I pinged
[09:35] <c2tarun> Riddell: when you come around please take a look at bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=267577
[09:36] <bambee> Riddell: good luck for your talk by the way ;)
[09:39] <Riddell> bambee:
[09:39] <bambee> ?
[09:40] <Riddell> bambee: I don't know about nvidia I'm afraid
[09:40] <Riddell> c2tarun: sorry no bandwidth for that sort of thing, very limited internet at conf.kde.in
[09:41] <shadeslayer> aye
[09:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: but ... but  ... i'm getting 200 KBps
[09:42] <valorie> break a leg, Riddell!
[09:42] <c2tarun> Riddell: its a bug, which needs your approval. whenever you get the bandwidth please take a look.
[09:44] <Riddell> c2tarun: why do you need to be on the kde-packagers mailing list?
[09:45] <c2tarun> Riddell: yofel suggested me to join that list for notifications related to packaging work for KDE.
[09:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where are you btw ?
[09:52] <c2tarun> Riddell: will you approve?
[09:54] <Riddell> hhhhhh
[09:55] <c2tarun> Riddell: what does this mean? :(
[09:55] <Riddell> it means I keep being dropped from the internet
[09:56] <c2tarun> Riddell: oh.... what about that bug?
[09:57] <Riddell> c2tarun: I think I'd prefer to see you do some more KDE SC packaging before being on the list
[09:58] <c2tarun> ok
[09:58] <c2tarun> Riddell: where can I get more work about KDE SC packaging?
[09:58] <Riddell> it's only for KDE SC pre-releases and security updates not anything else and it important to keep it closed to prevent security leaks
[09:58] <Riddell> c2tarun: SC releases are only once a month so there's nothing happening just now
[09:59] <Riddell> c2tarun: but I think we are behind on koffice releases?
[09:59] <Riddell> could you check that?
[10:00] <c2tarun> Riddell: sure, where can I get the link?
[10:00] <Riddell> koffice.org :)
[10:00] <Riddell> and launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice
[10:38] <c2tarun> Riddell: I didn't find any work on koffice.org can you please tell where?
[10:41] <debfx> apachelogger: how do I use the kde langpack foo for a python package?
[10:46] <c2tarun> Riddell seems to be busy, he told me that we are behind on koffice releases, can anyone please tell me where can I find what is left for release?
[10:47] <debfx> apachelogger: can I just include /usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/debhelper/kubuntu.mk? it uses dh7 rules
[10:49] <debfx> c2tarun: http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/koffice-2.3.3
[10:50] <c2tarun> debfx: I think its for downloading koffice.
[10:51] <debfx> c2tarun: yes, didn't you want to package the latest koffice release?
[10:53] <c2tarun> debfx: yup but I thought it was some packages which is required by koffice, are you saying whole koffice needs packaging?
[10:53] <debfx> yes
[10:53] <c2tarun> debfx: ok, thanks I'll try it :)
[10:55] <Riddell> c2tarun: see at launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice it says we have 2.3.1
[10:55] <Riddell> and tomas just said that 2.3.3 exists
[10:56] <Riddell> so we are behind
[10:56] <c2tarun> Riddell: oh got it :)
[10:56] <c2tarun> I'll do for 2.3.3 thanks :)
[12:05] <apachelogger> debfx: yes
[12:05] <apachelogger> debfx: that is if you have a proper Messages.sh
[12:05] <apachelogger> as the logic how extraction happens is in there
[12:06] <debfx> apachelogger: I don't have a Messages.sh
[12:08] <debfx> what does it need to extract?
[12:08]  * debfx is totally unfamiliar with the translation stuff
[12:10] <apachelogger> debfx: take a look at the printer applet thing in kdeutils
[12:10] <debfx> apachelogger: it doesn't use the kde infrastructure for translations
[12:11] <apachelogger> eh?
[12:11] <apachelogger> what is it using then?
[12:13] <apachelogger> debfx: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeutils/printer-applet/Messages.sh?view=markup
[12:14] <debfx> apachelogger: i'm talking about the synaptiks package
[12:14] <debfx> it already has a pre-generated .pot file
[12:15] <apachelogger> debfx: you still need a messages.sh :P
[12:16] <apachelogger> OTOH
[12:16] <apachelogger> why not use tht simply?
[12:19] <debfx> I still need to process the desktop file, right?
[12:20] <apachelogger> well
[12:21] <apachelogger> debfx: from a technical POV we should generate a pot using the process described
[12:21] <apachelogger> so that it is definitely covering the current source base
[12:22] <apachelogger> but import into launchpad and stuff is all handled by special magic packages that do not require any help to work their magic
[12:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks for building
[12:22] <apachelogger> I think we can upload a new workspace
[12:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: You're welcome.
[12:22] <apachelogger> I don't get any linkage against libGL
[12:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: Do we need to get Qt built with gcc4.5 first?
[12:23] <apachelogger> in neither applets nor dataengines
[12:23] <debfx> ok, so I just add a Messages.sh and include that makefile
[12:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: no
[12:23] <ScottK> OK
[12:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: did someone already start QAing that btw?
[12:23] <ScottK> Not AFAIK.
[12:23] <apachelogger> debfx: also push that upstream plz, I wonder how upstream generated the pot without that actually :O
[12:23] <apachelogger> debfx: are there pos too?
[12:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: we should get someone from linaro to do it ^^
[12:24] <ScottK> They may have.
[12:24]  * apachelogger has a major hangover
[12:25] <debfx> apachelogger: yes, one
[12:25] <apachelogger> kubotu: order bloody mary
[12:25]  * kubotu adds a dashes of Worcestershire Sauce, Tabasco, salt and pepper into a highball glass, pours 4.5 cl Vodka, 9 cl Tomato juice, 1.5 cl Lemon juice and ice cubes in the highball, stirs gently, garnishes with Celery Salt and lemon wedge and slides the cocktail down the bar to apachelogger. Voilà your Bloody Mary.... muhahahahah :P
[12:25] <apachelogger> debfx: odd enough
[12:25] <apachelogger> debfx: well, there is a kde techbase page explaining all the l10n mumbo jumbo I blieve
[12:25] <ScottK> nixternal: Shut down.
[12:25] <ScottK> Thanks again.
[12:26]  * apachelogger sips from his bloody mary and wonders about things
[12:27] <debfx> apachelogger: who controls in which language pack the pos end up?
[12:28] <apachelogger> debfx: dpm I believe, or at least he knows who does
[12:28] <debfx> aha, looks like it hasn't been imported at all: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/synaptiks/+imports
[12:28] <apachelogger> ah
[12:28] <apachelogger> there are more pos :P
[12:28] <debfx> well upstream tarball only contains de.po
[12:29] <apachelogger> uh :O
[12:29] <dpm> debfx, apachelogger, is that a new module? If so, I can just approve it now. Otherwise we'll have to have a look why it wasn't imported automatically (perhaps upstream module rename, or shifting things around...)
[12:29] <debfx> dpm: yes, it's new
[12:31] <apachelogger> dpm: did we get a new tar recently?
[12:31] <apachelogger> eh
[12:31] <apachelogger> debfx:
[12:31] <apachelogger> sry
[12:31] <debfx> hmm it isn't really new
[12:31] <debfx> it's new in main though
[12:31] <dpm> debfx, ok, approved it. From now on translations should be imported automatically. If we're lucky, they will be imported before 15:00 today and make it to this weekend's language pack
[12:31] <dpm> if not, next week's
[12:32] <apachelogger> dpm: thank you :)
[12:32] <dpm> no worries :)
[12:32] <apachelogger> debfx: oh, ah, 0.4 had translations 0.5 does not
[12:33] <apachelogger> I suggest threatening upstream to get beatins' or something :P
[12:33] <apachelogger> that is no godo thing to strip all translations on a new release
[12:33] <apachelogger> or maybe they just messed up release tarballing
[12:34] <debfx> I guess the old translations don't cover most of the strings in 0.5
[12:34] <dpm> hey kubuntu devs, here's for something else - can you think of any cool topics to cover related to Kubuntu/KDE/Qt technologies to build apps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/?
[12:46] <debfx> apachelogger: looks like it has its own script to generate the pot file: https://github.com/lunaryorn/synaptiks/blob/master/synaptiks/setup/l10n.py
[12:47] <apachelogger> dpm: sure we can, just that as usual no one wants to do the talks :S
[12:49] <dpm> apachelogger, perhaps we can just start listing a few topics on  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Prep and then start threath... err persuading people to run the sessions?
[12:49] <apachelogger> right, I'll add them after lunch
[12:50] <dpm> cool, thanks apachelogger!
[13:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: it turns out it did not link recursive at all, ldd just displayed it recursively -.-
[13:18] <ScottK> Ah.  U/I issue.
[13:25] <apachelogger> dpm: I added Qt, KDE, QtQuick, PlasmaWidgets and Phonon as topics
[13:25] <apachelogger> groovy
[13:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: I haz gl it seems
[13:26] <apachelogger> at least the broken font rendering in the widget explorer suggests that :O
[13:26] <dpm> apachelogger, oh, awesome, thanks
[13:48] <apachelogger> oh lawd
[13:48]  * apachelogger imagined plasma-mobile with opengl to work better :S
[14:04] <debfx> apachelogger: could you have a quick look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/synaptiks_0.5.3-0ubuntu1.dsc
[14:05] <debfx> it seems to be working, po/ contains de.po, desktop_synaptiks.pot and synaptiks.pot after the build
[14:11] <apachelogger> looks good
[14:23] <debfx> okay, uploaded
[14:27] <apachelogger> valorie: pingy
[15:14] <debfx> dpm: could you please approve the desktop_synaptiks template?
[15:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: so, the good news is everything is workingy, also gles now seems to work in plasma-mobile
[15:18] <apachelogger> BUT
[15:18] <apachelogger> opengl does not improve plasma's performance a lot
[15:18] <apachelogger> instead it adds rendering problems with text
[15:19] <ScottK> Lovely.
[15:19] <ScottK> It's a tech preview ....
[15:19] <apachelogger> in particular it would actually appear that the animation parts (e.g. switchin from front of the containment to the back, where one finds menu items and stuff) are not done in gl at all
[15:19] <ScottK> Who's bug?
[15:20] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[15:20] <apachelogger> well
[15:20] <apachelogger> I'll polish the default settings a bit
[15:20] <ScottK> OK.
[15:20] <apachelogger> desktop effects need to go, style needs to be plastique and all that stuff
[15:20] <apachelogger> bigger fonts
[15:45] <c2tarun> koffice failed after several hours of building :( here is the error log http://paste.kde.org/7055/  what should I do? Do i have to do whole building again?
[15:50] <tsimpson> c2tarun: fix the errors and run "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc" to continue the build
[15:51] <c2tarun> tsimpson: sorry but I have no idea how to fix those errors, can you please help?
[15:51] <yofel> kformula went missing, you'll need to find out why
[15:52] <c2tarun> yofel: what is an kformula? how can I find more about it?
[15:52] <tsimpson> look in debian/control ;)
[15:52] <yofel> c2tarun: the executable went missing
[15:52] <yofel> from your build log:
[15:52] <yofel> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/bin/kformula': No such file or directory
[15:52] <tsimpson> it's one of the packages your building apparently
[15:53] <c2tarun> do you mean to say that kformula is a package that is needed for building and went missing?
[15:53] <tsimpson> no, it's produced from the build
[15:54] <tsimpson> it's one of the packages in koffice
[15:54] <yofel> c2tarun: it's trying to create the kformula package according to the install file, but one of the files the install file contains (usr/bin/kformula) isn't there, you need to find out why it wasn't built and installed
[15:56] <c2tarun> ok, I can see in control file that kformula package must be build. here is the control file. http://paste.ubuntu.com/578876/
[15:56] <c2tarun> yofel: but I am sorry I dont know how to check why it wasn't built :( can you please give me some hint.
[15:57] <yofel> er... look at the build log, maybe the configure script was missing something and decided to build it, maybe kformula was renamed or removed, check the changes file or koffice changelog somwhere
[15:58] <yofel> *decided not to build it
[16:02] <c2tarun> yofel: kformula is not removed, do you suggest looking at the several hours build log? ;'( well its impossible to scroll over and look into it, do we have any log file anywhere?
[16:02] <yofel> well, the package was configured somewhere before it was built, that's the place you need to start
[16:02] <yofel> the configure or cmake output
[16:02] <c2tarun> should I run cmake and see the o/p?
[16:03] <yofel> does kformula exist in the source?
[16:03] <yofel> c2tarun: your package build log has that o/p already, look there, it might be different from a local cmake run
[16:04] <c2tarun> yofel: yup there is a folder with name kformula with its files in it. and what do you mean by package build log? where is it?
[16:04] <dpm> debfx, done
[16:04] <bambee> w00t, plasma-netbook rocks on a smartbook ;)
[16:04] <yofel> c2tarun: how did you build it?
[16:04] <c2tarun> yofel: debuild
[16:04] <debfx> thanks
[16:05] <bambee> shadeslayer, Riddell:  how were your presentations ?
[16:05] <yofel> oh.. that probably doesn't have one..., run debuild again and abort after it runs cmake
[16:05] <debfx> dpm: hm synaptiks is back to "needs review"
[16:06] <c2tarun> ok, will it spoil the previous debuild? what other ways are there for building?
[16:06] <c2tarun> yofel: ^^
[16:07] <dpm> debfx, yeah, but don't worry, it will be imported automatically soon. The imporant bit is the text below the entry: "Will be imported into Template "synaptiks" in Ubuntu Natty package "synaptiks""
[16:07] <dpm> all entries start on the "Needs Review" status
[16:07] <dpm> and then they are processed by the auto-approver script
[16:07] <yofel> c2tarun: well, debuild is one, there is an option you can give it to not delete the previous build, I can't remember it, look at the manpage, the other way to build packages is to use pbuilder https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Intro/Pbuilder  - or pbuilder-dist
[16:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you around for the release meeting?
[16:09] <c2tarun> yofel: I think if I exit my chroot now than it wont spoil the debuild than I can use pbuilder-dist for building.
[16:10] <yofel> c2tarun: wait
[16:10] <yofel> c2tarun: how did you get into the chroot?
[16:10] <c2tarun> sure
[16:10] <c2tarun> yofel: I have a chroot for natty and a pbuilder-dist chroot for natty, I used schroot to get into my simple natty chroot.
[16:11] <yofel> c2tarun: if you're in a chroot, that is properly set up for natty, then you can probably create a build folder and run cmake there after all
[16:11] <yofel> c2tarun: just don't run cmake in the source root, and remove the build folder again before you run debuild again
[16:12] <c2tarun> yofel: I am not getting what do you mean by build folder?
[16:12] <yofel> c2tarun: in the source root, run 'mkdir build && cd build && cmake ..'
[16:13] <yofel> that way you'll keep your source clean
[16:13] <c2tarun> yofel: just that?
[16:13]  * c2tarun trying
[16:13] <yofel> I don't know if koffice has any custom cmake flags set in rules, but start with that
[16:14] <c2tarun> yofel: by running cmake I am getting the help command list for cmake :/
[16:15] <yofel> c2tarun: are you sure koffice uses cmake? Is there a file called configure?
[16:16] <yofel> did you run 'cmake ..' ?
[16:16] <c2tarun> yofel: there is no file like configure but there are many files with cmake in there name.
[16:16] <yofel> c2tarun: ok, how did you run cmake then?
[16:16] <c2tarun> ok sorry I just executed cmake and no dots
[16:16] <yofel> ah, that'll be the problem ^^
[16:17] <c2tarun> yofel: I am getting this error CMake Error: The source directory "/" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
[16:18] <yofel> c2tarun: ok, where did you get the source tar from? Or I'll have to continue with guessing all the time...
[16:19] <c2tarun> yofel: let me confirm one thing, where you exactly wanted me to make build directory? I think I made it in wrong place. do you want me to make build in the source code folder?
[16:19] <yofel> yes
[16:20] <yofel> well, not important, but you must give cmake the path to the source
[16:20] <yofel> .. was assuming that the folder was created in the source
[16:22] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm guessing that's a no.  I'll do the release team report.
[16:22] <c2tarun> yofel: here is the messages I got after running cmake, http://paste.kde.org/7056/
[16:23] <yofel> c2tarun: ok, I fear I'll need the whole build log, as that seems correct, where you building koffice 2.3.3 ?
[16:24] <c2tarun> yofel: here is the location of my source code folder http://paste.ubuntu.com/578889/
[16:28] <c2tarun> yofel: how can I get you whole build log?
[16:28] <c2tarun> yofel: I dont think I can copy and pastebinit from terminal, because its too big.
[16:29] <yofel> c2tarun: I'll try to build it myself
[16:29] <c2tarun> yofel: it will take hours :( there must be some way,
[16:30] <c2tarun> yofel: I found the build log
[16:30] <yofel> oh?
[16:30] <c2tarun> yofel: just tell me how can I show it to you?
[16:31] <yofel> well, upload it somewhere..
[16:32] <c2tarun> yofel: ok please wait, I have slow connection and its of 13MB so it will take around 10-15 mins
[16:49] <c2tarun> yofel: http://uploading.com/files/9fm18826/koffice_2.3.3-0ubuntu1_i386.build/
[16:58] <c2tarun> yofel: ping
[16:58] <yofel> give me a minute
[16:59] <c2tarun> sure
[17:15] <yofel> c2tarun: hm... it does build a file kformula_bin, but that is never installed, only the documentation and libraries and the install commands are indeed commented out in kformula/CMakeLists.txt
[17:17] <c2tarun> yofel: who commented them?
[17:17] <yofel> was trying to find that out, but koffice has moved to git and I can't find kformula now...
[17:19] <c2tarun> yofel: I dont think any lines are commented check this out http://paste.ubuntu.com/578915/
[17:19] <c2tarun> + there is no patch which is touching CMakeLists.txt file
[17:20] <yofel> *that* is the main CMakeLists.txt
[17:20] <yofel> I was talking about kformula/CMakeLists.txt
[17:20] <yofel> and it was commented out upstream
[17:20] <yofel> no idea why
[17:21] <c2tarun> yofel: yup got it, should I uncomment them?
[17:22] <yofel> I have personally never touched koffice, so I'm the wrong person to ask, but you can certainly add a patch to enable it again
[17:22] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, adding patch means whole build again :/
[17:23] <yofel> c2tarun: you should ask Riddell when he gets back, he usually looks at koffice
[17:24] <c2tarun> yofel: sure I'll do that :) meanwhile I am asking about this in #koffice let C if somebody replies
[17:31] <c2tarun> well this might be a silly question but kubuntu is shipped with openoffice and not with koffice, why?
[17:31] <jjesse> because ubuntu ships it?
[17:34] <c2tarun> yofel: I asked on #koffice and the guy said that I have to update the configuration of .deb any idea that does that mean?
[17:44] <yofel> c2tarun: also openoffice has much better support for diverse file formats than koffice, so we use openoffice same as ubuntu
[17:44] <yofel> c2tarun: and ok, from what he said in #koffice update the kformula install file, i.e. comment the files that are missing out
[17:45] <c2tarun> yofel: comment the files that are missing out means, ignore kformula?
[17:46] <yofel> c2tarun: yes, as the intentionally don't install it
[17:46] <yofel> *they
[17:46] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, I am not very much familiar with cmake, can you please help me in finding the install file for kformula?
[17:46] <yofel> that has nothing to do with cmake
[17:47] <yofel> I meant the debian/kformula.install
[17:47] <yofel> you need to update the packaging
[17:52] <c2tarun> yofel: there is a long list of files in that .install file, and error was pointing to the very first file, I think on commenting it I'll get an error for second file and so on, here is the file koffice_2.3.3-0ubuntu1_i386.build I think I should remove the whole fiel
[18:00] <yofel> c2tarun: it probably isn't the only file missing, but according to the build log some files ARE installed, maybe remove the file, check the list-missing output later and then refresh the file using that as reference, that will only require one more build
[18:01] <yofel> and there was some flag for debuild to rebuild the package without recompiling, can't remember it though
[18:02] <yofel> ah, -nc
[18:18] <shadeslayer> does one need sudo with do-release-upgrade?
[18:18] <c2tarun> yofel: sorry this might be a silly question but, you guys reply when I write ping and your IRC id but on simple messages sometimes, you dont notice. Is there any sound notification with ping word?
[18:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: yep
[18:18] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:19] <shadeslayer> i thought it didn't ....
[18:19] <apachelogger> I once did an upgrade
[18:19] <apachelogger> it broke my system
[18:19] <yofel> c2tarun: if you have sound enabled yes, the reason I didn't immediately reply was that I was away from my keyboard
[18:19] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:19] <apachelogger> must have been in 1783 I believe
[18:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: apachelogger seen dot.kde.org :D
[18:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: oh, not yet
[18:19]  * yofel goes looking
[18:19] <shadeslayer> http://dot.kde.org/2011/03/11/confkdein-project-neon-returns-bleeding-edge-kde-software
[18:19] <yofel> :D
[18:20] <shadeslayer> yep ... we are in buisness
[18:20] <shadeslayer> altho i should get rid of this laptop
[18:20] <yofel> heh, even with a shot of you :P
[18:20] <shadeslayer> shitty nvidia card didn't work again
[18:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah :P
[18:21] <yofel> I'll fix the techbase page later, as someone said in kde-devel a few days ago my installing instructions are incomplete (I reference the env script without telling to install -common)
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:39] <wolfpack> I was planning to add print functionality into a project.  The thing is it should be lightweight while fullfilling basic print functionalities. Can someone tell me what are the best options?
[18:48] <c2tarun> yofel: I am getting this error: dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read ../koffice_2.3.3-0ubuntu1.dsc: No such file or directory should I build the source pacakge first?
[18:49] <yofel> yes, the .dsc is generated by debuild -S
[18:49] <c2tarun> yofel: but its first time I am getting this error, I always build binary package first and then the source package.
[18:50] <yofel> well, debuild will also create the .dsc - if it runs *successfully*
[18:51] <c2tarun> yofel: ok I'll build source pacakge first and then the binary package.
[18:55] <shadeslayer> herp derp
[18:55] <shadeslayer> do-release-upgrade isn't working
[18:55] <c2tarun> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/7068/ this is the error I am getting on building the source package.
[18:55] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: are you trying to upgrade to natty?
[18:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: haha, what's the problem?
[18:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: stuck at calculating changes
[18:56] <shadeslayer> >.>
[18:56] <yofel> c2tarun: go to source, rm -rf build, and then try again
[18:56] <shadeslayer> persia: are you OK?
[18:56] <yofel> you didn't remove the build directory as I told you before running debuild
[18:56] <c2tarun> yofel: oh... very sorry I forgot
[18:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: ouch, let's see if I get hold packages here
[18:57] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I recall someone mentioning that they'd heard he was.
[18:58] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[18:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/7070
[18:58] <yofel> shadeslayer: no idea, I don't have anything held back here in natty
[18:59] <shadeslayer> :S
[18:59] <shadeslayer> i could just dist upgrade
[19:00] <yofel> probably
[19:00] <yofel> that's what I usually do (with aptitude) since I manage my source by hand anyway
[19:00] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:00] <yofel> *sources.list
[19:06] <yofel> btw. any reason we backported qtcreator 2.1 beta1 in the beta PPA for maverick but never backported 2.1 final?
[19:16] <nigelb> shadeslayer: I thought you were going to bed early? :P
[19:16] <nigelb> darn
[19:16] <nigelb> I forgot to get stickers from Riddell :(
[19:25] <dantti> is there a way to use kmail without akonady mysql stuff?
[19:25] <dantti> cause akonadi does not start and I can't use kmail because of that
[19:34] <_Groo_> dantti: why doesnt akonadi start?
[19:35] <dantti> _Groo_: it doesnt connect with mysql which wasn't installed but after installed I don't know what to do to create the db it want's
[19:36] <dantti> which would be easier if it use postgres since I have it installed
[19:36] <dantti> I only don't get why amarok uses embeded mysql and akonadi doesn't
[19:36] <_Groo_> dantti: remove the akonadi config files and ~/.kde/share/apps/akonadi
[19:37] <_Groo_> dantti: then use akonadiconsole or systemsettings to point to an external mysql
[19:37] <_Groo_> dantti: and let it recreate the db
[19:37] <dantti> it does not have any config files
[19:38] <dantti> where in ss I do that?
[19:38] <_Groo_> dantti: let me check, its been a while
[19:40] <_Groo_> dantti: personal configuration
[19:40] <_Groo_> dantti: but akonadiconsole is a separate package i think
[19:41] <_Groo_> dantti: yeah you need akonadiconsole in order to configure a external server
[19:41] <_Groo_> dantti: it defaults for a internal mysql, which you should have too
[19:41] <dantti> _Groo_: but is it really needed just for kmail
[19:41] <dantti> last time I used kmail it wasn't needed (4.4) or so
[19:42] <_Groo_> dantti: are you using kmail default or kmail beta aka <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:42] <_Groo_> or <IP_ADDRESS>, whatever
[19:42] <dantti> 4.6 from backports ppa
[19:43] <dantti> akonadiconsole fails to connect too
[19:43] <_Groo_> dantti: theres an option to configure the server, along with start/stop
[19:43] <_Groo_> dantti: look around and see whats going on
[19:43] <dantti> it crashes
[19:44] <_Groo_> what version shows up for kmail? the package version number
[19:44] <dantti> 4:4.4.9-0ubuntu1~
[19:46] <_Groo_> dantti: thats the old one, you DONT need akonadi to use kmail, its optional
[19:46] <_Groo_> dantti: run kmail from the command line and see what it says
[19:47] <dantti> _Groo_: kmail runs but when I try to setup my email account the akonadi thing shows saing that some stuff is not running and the only button closes kmail
[19:48] <_Groo_> can you remove akonadi? with purge?
[19:48] <_Groo_> just for testing purposes
[19:48] <dantti> _Groo_: which package? last time I tried it tried to remove more things
[19:49] <_Groo_> dantti: ok, run akonadiconsole
[19:50] <_Groo_> dantti: does it show anything in the browser tab?
[19:50] <dantti> _Groo_: http://pastebin.com/tWPHyLCF
[19:51] <_Groo_> dantti: remove /home/daniel/.local/share/akonadi
[19:51] <_Groo_> try again
[19:52] <dantti> _Groo_: same issue
[19:57] <_Groo_> dantti: your akonadi install is broken, thats for sure
[19:57] <_Groo_> pastebin the version of kmail, akonadi, nepomuk and kdelibs
[20:00] <dantti> _Groo_: http://pastebin.com/hzQpgNn5
[20:03] <_Groo_> dantti: all *akonadi* packages pls
[20:10] <dantti> _Groo_: sorry for the delay http://pastebin.com/8Rmdgqb3
[20:12] <_Groo_> dantti: pt ou br?
[20:13] <dantti> br
[20:13] <_Groo_> dantti: kdepim-runtime version? paste here, its one liner
[20:13] <_Groo_> entao veio
[20:13] <_Groo_> tem alguma coisa errada com o teu akonadi
[20:14] <dantti> 4:4.4.9-0ubuntu1~
[20:14] <dantti> _Groo_: probably because I remember trying to get rid of it
[20:14] <dantti> isn't there more files to remove?
[20:14] <_Groo_> probably
[20:15] <_Groo_> you broken akonadi, and consequently kmail
[20:15] <_Groo_> force remove with dpkg -r --force-all packages
[20:15] <dantti> :( need to go now, thanks for the help... :P
[20:15] <_Groo_> all libakonadi, and all kdepim stuff
[20:15] <dantti> cya
[20:15] <_Groo_> and let apt-get -f install remake it
[20:44] <ScottK> Gonna upload qt4-x11 to build against gcc4.5 on armel again.
[22:43] <ScottK> qt4-x11 uploaded.


[07:08] <diplo> Morning all
[07:14] <knightwise> hey diplo
[07:14] <knightwise> how are you today
[07:15] <diplo> Not to bad thanks, yourself ?
[07:17] <dwatkins> ali1234: there's always youtube downloader on userscripts, of course
[07:20] <ali1234> i've seen it before anyway
[07:20] <ali1234> are steam or skype available on raring yet?
[07:21] <ali1234> ah steam is up now. cool
[07:21] <ali1234> oh wait, no it isn't
[07:25] <ali1234> h it looks like the problem is there is no longer a 64 bit package
[07:25] <dwatkins> I was using Steam a couple days ago on 64-bit Raring.
[07:26] <dwatkins> I think it mostly uses 32-bit packages, unless I'm missing the existence of a "force 64-bit" option somewhere.
[07:26] <ali1234> it won't show in software center unless you add the partner repo by hand
[07:26] <ali1234> same for skype
[07:27] <dwatkins> ah ok, that'll be why I saw 'i386' in the diag output.
[07:27] <ali1234> if you had steam installed thru software center on 12.10 you will see "steam (64 bit)" in "software previously purchased" but you won't be able to install it because it is now just "steam"
[07:27] <dwatkins> ali1234: that video appears to be 11:57 long on my browser
[07:27] <ali1234> which is a different package which won't show up until after you maually add the partner repo
[07:28] <ali1234> "Steam needs to install these additional packages:
[07:28] <ali1234> 	libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, libgl1-mesa-glx:i386, libc6:i386"
[07:28] <ali1234> ok, why couldn't the package manager do it?
[07:29] <dwatkins> I wonder that, perhaps they wanted complete control of the packages installed.
[07:30] <ali1234> it installs them from the package manager anyway
[07:30] <ali1234> along with a load of other i386 stuff
[07:30] <ali1234> i think more likely they are just incompetent
[07:31] <dwatkins> it always worries me when people reinvent the wheel
[07:31] <ali1234> "to install skype these packages must be removed: libjack0 libjack-dev"
[07:31] <dwatkins> at least it uses package manager, though
[07:31] <AlanBell> it will probably move to click packages at some point
[07:32] <AlanBell> which will break it again I imagine
[07:33] <AlanBell> it is a shame that the stuff in the partner repo has always been dodgy to use, it should be flagship software really
[07:33] <ali1234> yeah
[07:34] <ali1234> well, it's not like the stuff that is installed by default is any better
[07:35] <ali1234> why does steam make a "bing bong" noise when you minimize it?
[07:35] <AlanBell> stuff in the repos tends to stay there from release to release and not put you in a world of pain when it goes away
[07:36] <ali1234> lol
[07:36] <ali1234> cos things never go away from ubuntu right?
[07:36] <AlanBell> oh, things do go away, sure,
[07:36] <AlanBell> but they don't go away by default every release
[07:36] <ali1234> cool i has portal
[07:37] <AlanBell> partner repo is normally empty at the start of each release, no testing pre-release
[07:37] <AlanBell> you only find out if software is coming back when it comes back, if it does
[07:37] <ali1234> and by the end of the release it has... identical deb files to what it had in the previous release
[07:38] <ali1234> what is "chivalry: medieval warfare 2 d" and why is it on my steam account?
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: 2d = 2 days
[07:39] <ali1234> oh it is a free weekend thing
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it's a "free weekend"
[07:39] <ali1234> i thought it was a 3d game
[07:39] <ali1234> steam is too confusing
[07:39] <AlanBell> skype is in saucy parter repo already which is good
[07:39] <ali1234> nobody will ever use this it is much too hard
[07:41] <ali1234> oh it's the "turtle mode" game
[07:41] <ali1234> i thought i recognized the name
[07:45] <ali1234> it crashed. nice
[07:51] <ali1234> this is rubbish, it crashes constantly
[07:56] <ali1234> /home/al/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: line 704: 14621 Illegal instruction     (core dumped) $STEAM_DEBUGGER "$STEAMROOT/$PLATFORM/$STEAMEXE" "$@"
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> steam crashes? wow
[07:57] <MartijnVdS> Never had that.
[08:02] <AlanBell> really should have done that do-release-upgrade in byobu or something
[08:03] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: known issue too
[08:03] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: doesn't it start its own screen anymore?
[08:03] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it used to start at least its own sshd.. and I think even its own screen
[08:03] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: to fix it you have to manually download 32 bit flash from adobe and uncompress it into a directory that doesn't exist until you create it
[08:04] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: ah.. I just get "Flash not available" in steam
[08:04] <ali1234> yeah they have "fixed" that now
[08:04] <ali1234> now it tries to use HTML5
[08:04] <ali1234> and that causes it to instacrash
[08:05] <ali1234> i must say that the whole steam UI is shockingly bad
[08:05] <ali1234> just goes to show that good UI design counts for nothing in the end
[08:05] <ali1234> but neither does stable working software
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> does anyone have experience with this? http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Cooling-Heatsink-Radiator/dp/B009SJR3GS
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> (or similar)
[08:11] <ali1234> i'm kind of tempted to get X3: terran conflict
[08:11] <ali1234> bit pricey though
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> X³
[08:12] <ali1234> yeah that one
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> don't know it.. I have the latests XCom though 8-)
[08:12] <ali1234> yeah ... no
[08:13] <ali1234> i wish they would accept bitcoins
[08:13] <ali1234> i would buy this game right now if they did
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> you can have Azelphur buy & gift it for you ;)
[08:14] <ali1234> that is a fantastic idea
[08:15] <ali1234> X3 looks like a single player version of EVE. which is a multiplayer version of elite.
[08:15] <ali1234> i could never get it to work though
[08:15] <ali1234> in wine
[08:19] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday and happy Tiara Day!  :-D (No I am not wearing a tiara)
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: you should, really
[08:20] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I've told you before, only on Saturday nights.
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Pleaaaaase?
[08:21] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, no, Jasmine only comes out at weekends.
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Friday night doesn't count as the weekend/
[08:21] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: yeah, it does set up another sshd, not sure about the screen session
[08:21] <AlanBell> I just didn't fancy unplugging at the grub stage of the process
[08:23] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, it's only Friday morning!  I have a whole day of exciting, scary stuff to do before the weekend! ;)
[09:23] <bpisti> hi, if anyone is here, i would like to get some help with ubuntu 12.04
[09:24] <bpisti> i cannot access any files after reinstall
[09:26] <czajkowski> bpisti: what errors are you seeing what have you done ?
[09:26] <bpisti> well, lightdm cannot log in, it push me back to login screen
[09:27] <bpisti> my home is in separate partition, it downgraded from 13.04 because the laptop is old
[09:27] <AlanBell> does a guest login work?
[09:27] <bpisti> i'm currently root, using gdm to log in, and yes, guest worked
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> anything in your ~/.xsession-errors?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> and/or /var/log/lightdm/*
[09:30] <knightwise> ok , silly question but .. if I put the latest build of Ubuntu Touch on my nexus 4 ... whats gonna work so far ?
[09:30] <bpisti> well, no xerrors, but lightdm log has something with SIGTERM
[09:30] <knightwise> Gmail ? Internet access ? twitter ? Facebook ?
[09:32] <czajkowski> knightwise: you following rick spencers posts
[09:32] <czajkowski> they're blogging what is currently working
[09:32] <knightwise> ah , i'll google him
[09:33] <knightwise> or do you mean on Google+ ?
[09:34] <czajkowski> http://theravingrick.blogspot.co.uk/
[09:35] <knightwise> thanx czajkowski !
[09:37] <MooDoo> helolo all
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: trolololo to you too, MooDoo ;)
[09:37] <MooDoo> :)
[09:38] <czajkowski> knightwise: np
[09:50] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:51] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> hey, cool new feature in Chrome
[09:52] <bpisti> greetings! i have the home in a separate partition and i'm about to reinstall 12.04, but how will it recognize it?
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> 3rd party iframes loaded over https:// get an URL bar inside the page
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> bpisti: you can select it in the installer, if you choose manual partitioning
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> bpisti: make sure you don't set it to 'format partition', just 'use partition'!
[09:53] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: why is that a cool feature?
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Some web shops use an external payment processor in an iframe
[09:54] <bpisti> i understand this part, but the last install i put the same machine name, username, and i didn't have access to my files
[09:54] <AlanBell> ah, so you can see where it is coming from, I get it now
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: which should be secure, but before, you could never check (because you couldn't see the iframe URL and/or access its certificate info easily)
[09:55] <AlanBell> bpisti: were you using encrypted home?
[09:55] <AlanBell> or is it that the UID has changed?
[09:55] <bpisti> i'm not sure, but i would say no
[09:55] <bpisti> i don't think
[09:56] <AlanBell> so if you do ls -lh /homepartition/bpisti does it show the owner or 1003 or something
[09:56] <bpisti> i have saves, and as root i can copy stuff, but then the advantege is lost
[09:56] <bpisti> yes, yes
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> bpisti: Does it show the owner's username, or "1003"?
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> bpisti: "yes" is not a useful answer here ;)
[09:57] <bpisti> sorry, it's showing "1000" for owner username
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> bpisti: is this from the installer, or from the installed system?
[09:58] <bpisti> i had to go on liveCD, because i couldn't log in, even as root... but it was the same situation as now
[09:59] <bpisti> so if i have to reinstall again, i would like to do it good, because i'm already behind schedule :D
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:03] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:08] <mungbean> bpisti: do ls -l /home
[10:09] <mungbean> and paste the output
[10:11] <bpisti> i'm on a live cd, so the installed /home looks like this: drwxrwxrwx 7 1000 1000     4096 May 23 10:56 Desktop
[10:11] <bpisti> but if i were on the installed ubuntu, it would look just like this
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> 777? that's not good.
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> Have you run "chmod" on it?
[10:13] <mungbean> didi you run the command exactly?
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: on the live CD, /home isn't the installed /home
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> but the "live-cd /home"
[10:15] <mungbean> ok so the partition may not even be mounted
[10:17] <bpisti> yes, i tried to access the files, but there are still problems (like firefox, nautilus, etc.)
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> bpisti: what _exactly_ did you do to access the files?
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> Which commands did you type, or which graphical programs did you use (and how)
[10:18] <bpisti> i logged in as root
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> how?
[10:18] <bpisti> and chown pisti:pisti *
[10:19] <bpisti> alt+f2
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> On the live CD? On the installed system? How?
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> you can't log in as root, there is no root password on Ubuntu systems
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> well you can if you set one, but you should never do that because it's unsafe
[10:19] <bpisti> on the installed, and i set it.. otherwise i couldn't use it
[10:20] <bpisti> it's a home laptop, no sharing
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> still
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> root password = no-no
[10:20] <bpisti> i understand it, but i couldn't do anything, even if i managed to log in
[10:24] <bpisti> let's say i reinstall, because it's relative fast. will i run into the same problem, or i can use the partition for good?
[10:25] <SuperMatt> I'm still waiting for the day that my boss decides that we don't need root access. All we all need is sudo and our keys
[10:26] <SuperMatt> but all the while debian requests a root password when you set it up, I don't think he'll see it that way
[10:26] <AlanBell> bpisti: chown doesn't do recursive by default
[10:27] <bpisti> even with the -R?
[10:27] <AlanBell> with the -R it does :)
[10:27] <AlanBell> 11:18 < bpisti> and chown pisti:pisti *
[10:27] <AlanBell> ^ that won't though
[10:27] <bpisti> yes, google helped me find out that
[10:27] <AlanBell> also grep pisti /etc/passwd
[10:28] <AlanBell> that will show you your UID
[10:28] <AlanBell> probably 1000
[10:29] <bpisti> yes
[10:29] <bpisti> it is
[10:42] <ali1234> or echo $UID
[10:44] <ali1234> when ls -l shows number instead of username it means there is no user with that uid
[10:47] <bpisti> if i click in the installer on Erase ubi 12.04, that will delete the files on the separated home, or just on the / ?
[11:03] <bpisti> anyway i went to manual, unchecked formatting, maybe it will work... thanks for the help, have a good day everyone!
[11:04] <bpisti> i'm working on a game, here you can see some dev videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/bialkoistvan
[13:11] <samuel__> hello ubuntu-uk long time no speak!
[13:12] <SuperMatt> hello
[13:13] <samuel__> hi supermatt
[13:13] <samuel__> whats your excuse for being here at 2 in the afternoon? :D
[13:14] <SuperMatt> I'm at work
[13:14] <samuel__> ah, i remember when i used to come here at work
[13:15] <samuel__> do you use ubuntu at work?
[13:15] <samuel__> or someotherlinux?
[13:16] <SuperMatt> I use ubuntu at work, yes
[13:16] <samuel__> ahhh lucky you, my new work has too much microsoft centric stuff for me to switch over yet
[13:17] <samuel__> i've only been there 5 months :D
[13:17] <samuel__> dont feel like its a good time to dick around with my workstation yet
[14:37] <Myrtti> I clearly need more tea to parse what people write on Google+ at the moment
[14:37] <AndreaA> hello
[14:38] <AndreaA> I'm experiencing some problems while trying to upgrade to Ubuntu Precise Pangolin
[14:38] <AndreaA> can anyone please help me?
[14:39] <SuperMatt> what issues are you experiencing?
[14:41] <AndreaA> hey SuperMatt, thank you for answering :). So, I tried to upgrade yesterday and my laptop lost its power in the middle of it. Now I'm getting the "recovery mode" window, and when I go to "Resume Normal boot" it says that version "GLIBC_2.14" is not found
[14:41] <SuperMatt> ouch S:
[14:42] <MooDoo> would a sudo apt-get -f install complete the upgrade?
[14:42] <SuperMatt> ok, try this:
[14:42] <AndreaA> it also says that "CONTROL-D will terminate this shell and reboot the system"
[14:42] <SuperMatt> go to recovery mode and select the option that drops you to root shell
[14:42] <SuperMatt> from there, run mount and read what device is on /
[14:43] <SuperMatt> skip that step actually
[14:43] <SuperMatt> run mount -o remount,rw /
[14:43] <SuperMatt> and then run apt-get -f install
[14:43] <SuperMatt> that *might* work
[14:43] <SuperMatt> but it was a little silly of you to upgrade without pluggin in!
[14:45] <brobostigon> isnt there a warning somewhere, for that?
[14:46] <AndreaA> I will try, thank you SuperMatt and MooDoo. Right now, I downloaded the ISO file on an another computer (the same version, ofc) and attached the USB file, and now it says that "Asking for cache data failed" and "Attached SCSI removable disc". what does that mean?
[14:46] <SuperMatt> I have no idea
[14:47] <brobostigon> first thing. check you dd'd the iso to the usb drive properly.
[14:47] <AndreaA> I did. I downloaded it from here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[14:49] <AndreaA> I tried to type in "sudo apt-get -f install" in terminal and it says this:
[14:49] <AndreaA> "Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[14:50] <AlanBell> gulp, that sounds like a messy situation AndreaA
[14:50] <brobostigon> that imples dpkg/apt/aptitude etc is already running and is taking up that file.
[14:50] <AlanBell> do you want to fix what you have, or would it be simpler to do a reinstall without overwriting your home directory?
[14:52] <AndreaA> AlanBell, whatever is possible. I would just like to upgrade to 12.4, and that's it. Now I typed "sudo dpkg --configure -a" like it suggested and it says that it's unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system
[14:53] <AlanBell> so do you have stuff in your home directory you want to keep? Now would be a good time to get a backup if you do
[14:53] <brobostigon> i would remount rw, as SuperMatt suggested, and try again.
[14:54]  * SuperMatt nods
[14:54] <SuperMatt> I was gonna say that
[14:54] <SuperMatt> mount -o rw,remount /
[14:54] <brobostigon> but yes, backup asap.
[14:55] <AndreaA> I have some stuff I would like to keep :((. and I don't know how to do a backup... I'm a new user, and never did it with terminal
[14:56] <AlanBell> got a USB memory stick with enough room on it for your stuff?
[14:56] <SuperMatt> what would you back up to?
[14:56] <AndreaA> Alan, yes, it does!
[14:59] <AlanBell> easy way is probably to boot from the USB in live mode
[14:59] <AndreaA> I have some backups that were created before, SuperMatt
[14:59] <AlanBell> and then drag stuff to the USB stick
[14:59] <SuperMatt> ^ this
[14:59] <AndreaA> and how to do that?
[15:02] <MooDoo> AndreaA: do you have an ubuntu live cd?
[15:04] <AndreaA> No, I have Ubuntu on USB
[15:04] <MooDoo> but that's a live usb boot right?
[15:05] <AndreaA> YES
[15:05] <AndreaA> yes, I think it is
[15:05] <MooDoo> beacuase what you could do is boot into a live cd/usb environment and drag and drop all the files you want from your laptop in live mode to the USB stick, then once you're happy you have your files, do a complete re-intall and you'll have your files in the usb
[15:07] <AndreaA> I understand you, but I don't have a clue how to do that. The previous version of Ubuntu I installed from the same USB went fine and nothing like this happened before
[15:11] <AlanBell> if you put the USB in and click the Try Ubuntu button rather than the install ubuntu button it should take you to a desktop
[15:11] <MooDoo> beat me to that
[15:11] <AlanBell> from there you can use the normal file manager to browse to your home directory on the hard drive, and copy, and browse to the USB stick and paste
[15:11] <mungbean> i hate SCOM with a passion. worst software i've used in years
[15:11] <MooDoo> +1
[15:12] <AlanBell> then you can go through the install ubuntu process, and instead of telling it to wipe the disk tell it to do "something else" and give it your existing partitions to install on
[15:13] <AlanBell> if you tell it not to reformat the partitions it should preserve your home directory
[15:13] <AlanBell> however this is a mildly risky area and if you press the wrong button you could end up formatting the disk and wiping your stuff, so  a backup first would be a good thing
[15:17] <AndreaA> AlanBell: well, the trouble is that it doesn't say anything when I put in the USB device... nor "Try Ubuntu" or "Install Ubuntu"... nothing. you know what? I will take a photo of my screen and send it to you, it will be easier.
[15:22] <AndreaA> when I start my laptop (with USB in), I first get this screen: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/404/ublx.png/
[15:22] <MooDoo> AndreaA: that's a normal boot
[15:23] <MooDoo> when you start the laptop as it's doing the bios checks is there an option for a boot menu, probably f1 or f12 or del or something like that.
[15:23] <MooDoo> if you get that grub menu you've gone to far
[15:23] <AndreaA> no, that's the first thing I get when I start it
[15:24] <AndreaA> so I go to recovery mode. Should I do something differently?
[16:06] <diddledan_> microsoft are going to license a halo: the tv series?!
[16:06] <diddledan_> really?
[16:06] <SuperMatt> yes
[16:07] <diddledan_> I'm assuming spielburg isn't director or exec prod, but in fact the lead character
[16:07] <diddledan_> now that I'd watch
[16:08] <diddledan_> I prefer tv to games anyway.. I haven't died once while watching tv but when playing games I'm guaranteed to die at least every 20 minutes
[16:09] <SuperMatt> yes, games are a weird thing
[16:09] <SuperMatt> they're the only medium that stops you pregressing when you can't work out what's going on
[16:20] <diddledan_> I like to be told what's going on - saves everyone the hassle of assuming I'm actually intelligent
[19:20] <first-time-here> hii
[19:20] <first-time-here> how i can solve this error?
[19:20] <first-time-here> http://pastebin.com/aGctH1Uh
[19:23] <dwatkins> first-time-here: To see the supported input formats, use "ffmpeg -formats", according to the manpage.
[19:30] <first-time-here> dwatkins: i get loooong list - what i need to looking for?
[19:31] <AlanBell> first-time-here: v4l2 isn't a video format as such
[19:31] <AlanBell> so, you are trying to restream a camera or something?
[19:46] <makt> evening all
[22:05] <daftykins> ooh my mate is ok with ignoring the GTX 780 from nvidia in favour of sticking to a 680 for his new PC
[22:05] <daftykins> so i may well have a nice PC build soon :D:D
[22:17] <n1md4_> hi.  what does the 'd' and 'c' characters mean in diff?
[22:17] <n1md4_> e.g. 2d1 or 11c10
[22:18] <n1md4_> ..and is there a way to only print the c differences?
[22:20] <daftykins> 'man diff' ?
[22:22] <n1md4_> daftykins: I couldn't find anything useful
[22:24] <daftykins> you're right, doesn't even seem to tell you what the letters mean
[22:24] <daftykins> that's very unimpressive
[22:26] <daftykins> http://www.computerhope.com/unix/udiff.htm
[22:26] <daftykins> that's also a bit non-descript
[22:29] <n1md4_> daftykins: there are 3 characters i can tell, from trial and error, a d and c.  i guess these to be added deleted and common (meaning it starts the same but finishes with a difference)
[22:29] <daftykins> sounds fair
[22:30] <daftykins> you could create two test files to confirm that i guess
[22:30] <n1md4_> my new question then, how to only print added or deleted lines.
[22:30] <n1md4_> .. or how to not print common lines
[22:31] <n1md4_> hmmm http://serverfault.com/questions/470210/how-can-i-get-diff-to-show-only-added-and-deleted-lines-if-diff-cant-do-it
[22:32] <daftykins> uh-oh spaghetti-o's, it's getting dangerously close to regular expression talk
[22:32] <daftykins> oh no wait it is
[22:34] <n1md4_> yeah .. this is going to be an awesome one-liner :P
[22:34] <n1md4_> thanks.
[22:36] <daftykins> n1md4_: hey you did it all ^_^
[23:07] <leolol> anybody here to help me out?
[23:07] <daftykins> ask away
[23:08] <leolol> ok. i installed ubuntu on a ProLiant server (dual xenon 3,6ghz) and it all worked out fine, after loads of trial and error
[23:08] <leolol> but i still face one problem:
[23:09] <daftykins> no coffee making function
[23:09] <daftykins> i know, it gets us all :(
[23:09] <daftykins> sorry, do tell
[23:10] <leolol> once i boot i get a message from my monitor that says: "the current input timing is not supported by the monitor. Please change your input timing to 1920x1200@60hz or any other monitor timing as per the monitor specifcations"
[23:10] <leolol> yeah, coffee :3
[23:10] <leolol> i tried a different monitor, same result
[23:10] <leolol> and without a display it's pretty hard to set up a remote desktop..
[23:11] <leolol> cause i don't even know if it is running
[23:11] <leolol> oh and i tried ubuntu server, ubuntu (12.04)
[23:12] <daftykins> yeah what are you intending on doing with the system? because a server distro on server hardware might be a good idea anyway
[23:12] <daftykins> but you should be able to fiddle with that in the display settings
[23:12] <leolol> yeah i installed the server edition, but normal ubuntu (and any other linux i tried) has the same result
[23:12] <leolol> it doesn't let me on my display it self
[23:13] <leolol> is it possible that the pretty old server doesn't like 16:9?
[23:13] <daftykins> servers do tend to have very basic graphics
[23:13] <daftykins> no you'd change it inside ubuntu
[23:14] <leolol> yeah.. but i can set my output on my pc to 1x1 and it would still be displayed by the display..
[23:14] <leolol> ok
[23:14] <leolol> maybe i can try it without seeing anything
[23:14] <leolol> over code.. but i'd need a step by step explanation
[23:14] <daftykins> those LCDs that cover the whole image telling you 'YOU'RE STUPID, YOU SHOULD BE IN RES A x B!' anger me
[23:14] <daftykins> what's installed on it right now?
[23:15] <leolol> Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS
[23:15] <leolol> 64 bit
[23:16] <leolol> yeah but it says something about "timings" which i do not understand at all
[23:16] <daftykins> did you install it, then install the desktop package or something?
[23:16] <daftykins> well, if you're connected with a VGA cable, it could be talking about pixel clock, refresh rate or more
[23:17] <leolol> i didn't install a gui yet, but i can't even see the thingy where i enter the commands
[23:17] <leolol> *command line
[23:17] <daftykins> do you see the bootup scrolling messages?
[23:17] <leolol> i see everything that comes from the bios
[23:17] <daftykins> how about switching between TTYs? (press ctrl+alt+F1 through F6)
[23:17] <leolol> and i saw everyhting while installing
[23:18] <leolol> TTYs? let me try that
[23:18] <leolol> will take a few seconds to boot
[23:18] <daftykins> they're like, all the different login screens. the acronym is the old term 'Tele-TYpewriter'
[23:19] <daftykins> no problemo
[23:19] <leolol> what time does it usually take to boot?
[23:19] <leolol> it's the first linux machine i have
[23:21] <daftykins> if it's server and you didn't pick any extra packages during 'tasksel' aka Task Selection, typically after BIOS i'd say under 15 seconds
[23:21] <leolol> LOL
[23:21] <leolol> sorry
[23:21] <daftykins> depends on the disks in that server
[23:21] <leolol> but i have a solution lol
[23:21] <daftykins> ? :D
[23:21] <leolol> i just started the system
[23:21] <leolol> and forgot to plug in the monitor
[23:21] <leolol> cause i tried the other one
[23:21] <daftykins> :)
[23:21] <leolol> plugged it in
[23:21] <leolol> saw a login screen lol
[23:22] <daftykins> well if you're just starting out, is there anything else you want to start trying and ask about now that you're there?
[23:22] <leolol> maybe you can explain to me how i can set up a gui and remote desktop thingy?
[23:22] <daftykins> to be honest installing a GUI on top of server kind of defeats the purpose of installing server to begin with
[23:22] <daftykins> but sure, it can be done
[23:23] <daftykins> you can login and type 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' first to get the latest updates
[23:23] <leolol> mhmm
[23:23] <leolol> ok
[23:23] <leolol> hopefully i configured my network correctly
[23:23] <daftykins> :D
[23:24] <daftykins> you may seem some errors if not ^_^ but that's ok, we can fix that too
[23:24] <daftykins> the first means - 'get the newest package lists' and the second means 'update every currently installed package to the newest version'
[23:24] <leolol> can we set up a remote desktop first or should i do the updates?
[23:25] <daftykins> well you have no GUI to remote to :) installing the latest packages is best first, before there are more packages on
[23:25] <daftykins> (more packaged will obviously be added when installing a GUI)
[23:27] <leolol> it asks [sudo] password for username:
[23:27] <leolol> but i can't type anything..
[23:27] <daftykins> your password won't be visible as you type it
[23:27] <daftykins> it's a security 'mechanism' to stop people counting asterisks to know how long it is
[23:27] <daftykins> if you feel like you make a mistake, just hold down backspace for a few seconds to clear it out
[23:27] <daftykins> *made
[23:28] <leolol> ok
[23:28] <daftykins> leolol: also, whilst doing things at the command line as you are now, don't be afraid if you glance away and the screen goes blank. the command line view has a sort of 'screensaver' which blanks the display after a set amount of time
[23:29] <daftykins> that one always gets new users :D myself included way back when ^_^
[23:29] <leolol> is it possible that my sudo password isn't the same as my account password?
[23:29] <daftykins> nah, it'll definitely be the one you entered for your user during setup
[23:29] <leolol> cause i'm 99,9% shure that the one i typed was right
[23:29] <leolol> didn't have that yet :P
[23:30] <daftykins> huh? have what?
[23:30] <daftykins> oh i get you
[23:30] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:30] <daftykins> just pre-empting it ;)
[23:32] <leolol> ok worked
[23:32] <leolol> but it doesn't seem to have a working internet connection
[23:32] <leolol> lol
[23:32] <leolol> cause i didn't plug in the cable.
[23:33] <leolol> facepalm
[23:34] <daftykins> leolol: hehe, ok it won't auto get an IP address from just plugging it in now
[23:34] <daftykins> unless you configured it with a static IP
[23:34] <leolol> my ip hasn't changed i think
[23:34] <leolol> it is on 22% but it gets an error now i think
[23:35] <leolol> once i've set it up i'll be using no-ip i think..
[23:35] <daftykins> so the update and upgrade is working?
[23:36] <daftykins> i guess you must've given it a static IP during setup
[23:36] <leolol> dono, sometimes it says "no adress assigned to hostname"
[23:36] <leolol> but it is on 23%
[23:36] <leolol> seems to be stuck now
[23:36] <daftykins> what's the last line?
[23:36] <leolol> while connecting
[23:37] <leolol> connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com
[23:37] <daftykins> ok
[23:37] <daftykins> ctrl+c to stop that
[23:37] <leolol> and then something with security
[23:38] <daftykins> do you know your router's internal IP? e.g. <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:38] <daftykins> also have you got some networking experience so i don't sound rude? :D
[23:38] <leolol> i think if would have just workd lol it got a translationindex and another translationindex :P
[23:39] <leolol> i know my way around pc's, i know what my IP is etc
[23:39] <leolol> my IP hasn't changed
[23:39] <leolol> since i configured my network
[23:39] <daftykins> i don't mean your internet facing IP
[23:39] <daftykins> oh i get you, your DHCP lease
[23:39] <leolol> you mean my routers IP?
[23:39] <daftykins> first diagnosis step, ping your router's internal IP
[23:40] <leolol> windows or linux?
[23:40] <daftykins> that'll tell you if the server has anything configured
[23:40] <daftykins> well the command is the same
[23:40] <daftykins> 'ping x.x.x.x'
[23:40] <leolol> x.x.x.x is my IP?
[23:40] <daftykins> well i don't know what your router's IP is
[23:40] <daftykins> so you need to substitute it in :D
[23:41] <leolol> can it be the one i have when i search for "my ip" on google? lol
[23:41] <daftykins> nah that's your internet facing one
[23:41] <leolol> it would be <IP_ADDRESS> (maybe that's stupid to type in the internet.. idk)
[23:41] <daftykins> tell you what, are you typing from windows?
[23:41] <leolol> mhm
[23:41] <leolol> ok
[23:41] <daftykins> open up a command prompt
[23:41] <leolol> yeah
[23:41] <leolol> i am
[23:41] <daftykins> and type "ipconfig /all"
[23:41] <leolol> in windows?
[23:41] <daftykins> yep
[23:42] <daftykins> in the command prompt program
[23:42] <daftykins> in the mass of info it'll have a 'default gateway' beside say, your wired internet connection
[23:42] <daftykins> in my case mine's a Marvell Yukon blah blah
[23:43] <leolol> for some reason my CMD opened up with my default storage space
[23:43] <leolol> in front
[23:43] <daftykins> C:\users\your username\ ?
[23:43] <leolol> yeah
[23:43] <daftykins> that's normal
[23:43] <leolol> but the ip thingy isn't working
[23:43] <daftykins> does typing 'ipconfig /all' not do anything? without the quotes of course
[23:44] <leolol> must have had a spelling mistake
[23:44] <daftykins> i loved command line growing up
[23:44] <leolol> ok so what do you need to know from there?
[23:44] <daftykins> didn't give you what you wanted? you only have yourself to blame ^_^
[23:44] <leolol> yeah :P
[23:44] <daftykins> 'default gateway' and 'dhcp server' should be the same
[23:45] <daftykins> that'll be your router's IP address, probably <IP_ADDRESS> for the most common
[23:45] <leolol> where in the line is this?
[23:45] <leolol> i see dhcp
[23:45] <daftykins> on mine it's beneath the network connection i'm using
[23:46] <daftykins> "Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:"
[23:46] <leolol> but i can't seem to find the fefault gateway
[23:46] <leolol> Ipv4 adress?
[23:46] <daftykins> few more lower...
[23:46] <daftykins> although if you told me your IPv4 address i might be able to guess your router's IP
[23:47] <leolol> <IP_ADDRESS> (prefered)
[23:47] <leolol> oh i see it
[23:47] <daftykins> yep sounds like <IP_ADDRESS> is your router then
[23:47] <leolol> lol
[23:47] <leolol> facepalm #2
[23:47] <daftykins> ok so you can see the difference on windows and Ubuntu
[23:47] <leolol> ok
[23:47] <daftykins> 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>' in your command prompt
[23:47] <daftykins> and do the same on your ubuntu server system
[23:47] <leolol> in ubuntu or windows
[23:47] <leolol> ok
[23:47] <daftykins> windows will do it 4 times
[23:48] <daftykins> ubuntu will carry on infitely, so you stop it with ctrl+c again
[23:48] <daftykins> if it even works that is...
[23:48] <leolol> ok
[23:48] <leolol> you need to know something about my network?
[23:48] <leolol> i'm running over powerlan if that makes a difference
[23:49] <daftykins> between router + both your server and windows PC?
[23:49] <leolol> linux says it's unreachable
[23:49] <leolol> yeah
[23:49] <daftykins> yep, ok i expected as much
[23:49] <daftykins> nah powerline should be fine
[23:49] <leolol> windows never made problems with it
[23:49] <daftykins> so we need to tell the server to get a new IP since it was disconnected before
[23:50] <leolol> my laptop doesn't like it and windows had to activate something
[23:50] <daftykins> you can either restart it, or tell it to look for a new one
[23:50] <leolol> to make it work
[23:50] <daftykins> we'll try option 2: 'sudo dhclient eth0'
[23:50] <leolol> hmm it know the IP i told it while setting up
[23:50] <daftykins> ah ok
[23:50] <leolol> ok
[23:50] <leolol> it knows*
[23:50] <leolol> but i told it my internet IP
[23:50] <leolol> not my routers
[23:50] <daftykins> ah that might be what went wrong!
[23:51] <leolol> so we'll change that :D
[23:51] <daftykins> indeed ^_^
[23:51] <leolol> :D
[23:51] <daftykins> did the above command work though?
[23:51] <leolol> i'm still so glad that i can finally see something
[23:51] <leolol> the "ping 192....."
[23:51] <leolol> yeah
[23:51] <leolol> without a result
[23:51] <leolol> oh
[23:51] <leolol> the other one
[23:51] <daftykins> nah the next one :D
[23:51] <leolol> let me try
[23:51] <daftykins> ja
[23:52] <leolol> german?
[23:52] <daftykins> er i learnt some in school years back but i just kinda mess around
[23:52] <daftykins> i'm from Guernsey
[23:52] <leolol> where ever that is :P
[23:52] <leolol> i'm austrian :)
[23:52] <daftykins> little island between England and France
[23:52] <daftykins> ah ok ^_^
[23:52] <leolol> ooh the "no taxes" islands :P
[23:52] <daftykins> in that case i best not attempt any of my terrible German
[23:53] <daftykins> hehe, how is it that everyone knows that now XD
[23:53] <leolol> oh, austria's the same.. not with taxes but we got like ... mhmm
[23:53] <daftykins> does your local news talk about how the English government is on the war path about us tax havens?
[23:53] <leolol> nope
[23:53] <daftykins> ah
[23:53] <leolol> ^^
[23:53] <leolol> we got like privacy with banks
[23:54] <daftykins> ah yeah
[23:54] <leolol> they aren't allowed to give out information about who owns the conto etc (dono if conto's a word in english)
[23:54] <leolol> ok linux says
[23:54] <leolol> nothing atm
[23:55] <daftykins> try pinging again
[23:55] <daftykins> you can tap cursor up just like in Windows to repeat older commands
[23:55] <daftykins> it's not english, but i guess you mean 'account'
[23:56] <leolol> now i'm just typing.. before that there was always like username@Server in front..
[23:56] <leolol> yeah i meant account
[23:57] <daftykins> ah it's kinda stuck thinking
[23:57] <daftykins> ok, try ctrl+c to give up
[23:57] <daftykins> that should hopefully return you to the normal 'prompt'
[23:58] <leolol> ok
[23:58] <daftykins> back to normal?
[23:58] <leolol> try the dhclient again?
[23:58] <daftykins> next step, i think checking if you have some network configuration wrong is a good idea
[23:58] <daftykins> type 'cat /etc/network/interfaces'
[23:59] <daftykins> you should see a few lines of text
[23:59] <daftykins> including 'auto eth0' ?
[23:59] <leolol> seems to get stuck on that


[21:50] <Takyoji> Anyone else agree that this is a bit pathetic? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/12/the-akshat-new-year-challenge-akshat-in-default-natty/
[21:54] <MaddogF16> Yeah, it doesn't take a $3000 computer to look through the code for bugs. |-)
[21:56] <tonyyarusso> Yup, that's pathetic.


[03:34] <rickey> hello
[10:44] <fabbione> doko_: ping?
[11:05] <doko_> fabbione: pong
[11:06] <fabbione> doko_: http://librarian.launchpad.net/4711367/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-sparc.gcc-3.3_1%3A3.3.6-13_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:06] <fabbione> i am bit puzzled about the issue
[11:06] <fabbione> the FTBFS is "caused" by glibc-2.4
[11:06] <fabbione> gnu/stubs.h did change from 2.3 to 2.4
[11:06] <fabbione> in 2.3 it was the real include
[11:07] <fabbione> in 2.4 is a wrapper that loads either stubs-32.h or stubs-64.h according to WORDSIZE that's defined by gcc
[11:07] <fabbione> now
[11:07] <fabbione> the interesting thing is that in /usr/include/gnu/ there are stubs-32.h and stubs.h
[11:07] <fabbione> in /usr/include/sparc64-linux-gnu/gnu there are stubs-64.h and stubs.h
[11:08] <fabbione> the 2 stubs.h are identical
[11:08] <fabbione> this situation is consistent on all arches
[11:08] <fabbione> now.. i believe that gcc-3.3 should look in /usr/include/sparc64-linux-gnu/ when building 64 bit stuff but it doesn't
[11:09] <fabbione> this bug didn't show up in Debian yet, because their glibc in sid are still 2.3.6 and the one in experimental are totally broken
[11:09] <fabbione> point is that i have no idea on how to get gcc to look there
[11:09] <fabbione> if you can hand me a patch on the fly i can test build for you
[11:09] <doko_> sparc, or powerpc?
[11:10] <fabbione> sparc
[11:10] <fabbione> ppc is fine
[11:10] <fabbione> it was not biarch at the time
[11:16] <doko_> hmm, yes; it doesn't look there ...
[11:19] <fabbione> yeah i know :) i did spend the last 3 hours poking at it but i truly sucks at gcc
[11:19] <fabbione> we will need to sit together a bit in UDS MV
[11:20] <fabbione> CROSS_SYSTEM_HEADER_DIR = $(gcc_tooldir)/sys-include
[11:20] <fabbione> this one should be the thing that includes that path
[11:20] <fabbione> i think
[11:20] <fabbione> brb
[11:23] <doko_> gcc-3.3 (1:3.3.6-14) unstable; urgency=low
[11:23] <doko_>   * Apply the biarch-include patch for non-biarch architectures as well;
[11:23] <doko_>     adding /usr/include/<target_alias> to the standard include path.
[11:23] <doko_>  -- Matthias Klose<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:31:03 +0000
[11:23] <doko_> hmm, never uploaded ...
[11:24] <doko_> but ... it should have it for sparc. strange
[11:25] <fabbione> doko_: ok.. do you want to give me the debdiff so i can test build?
[11:25] <fabbione> or just upload.. or whatever
[11:26] <fabbione> it needs to be in the archive sooner later than later
[11:26] <fabbione> Tollef is killing uninstallable pkgs in the archive
[11:26] <fabbione> and gcc-3.3 FTBFS makes a couple of -docs uninstallable in edgy/main
[11:26] <doko_> fabbione: does gcc-3.3 -v -m64 prints the include dir?
[11:27] <fabbione> gcc-3.3 -v -m64
[11:27] <fabbione> Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-linux-gnu/3.3.6/specs
[11:27] <fabbione> Configured with: ../src/configure -v --enable-languages=c,c++,ada --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/3.3 --enable-shared --enable-__cxa_atexit --with-system-zlib --enable-nls --without-included-gettext --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-debug --with-cpu=v7 sparc-linux-gnu
[11:27] <fabbione> Thread model: posix
[11:27] <fabbione> gcc version 3.3.6 (Ubuntu 1:3.3.6-10)
[11:27] <fabbione> no
[11:34] <doko_> fannione: please check  http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/
[11:37] <fabbione> fannione? :P
[11:39] <fabbione> building now
[11:40] <doko_> oops ... sorry fanny ;-)
[11:45] <fabbione> eheh
[11:51] <fabbione> hmm no
[11:51] <fabbione> didn't help
[11:53] <fabbione> oh it was not applied at all
[11:55] <fabbione> ifneq ($(biarch),yes)
[11:55] <fabbione>  ?
[11:55] <fabbione> shouldn't that be ifeq ($(biarch),yes)
[11:55] <fabbione>  ?
[12:02] <fabbione> ./xgcc -B./ -B/usr/sparc-linux-gnu/bin/ -isystem /usr/sparc-linux-gnu/include -isystem /usr/sparc-linux-gnu/sys-include -O2  -DIN_GCC    -W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -isystem ./include  -fPIC -g -DHAVE_GTHR_DEFAULT -DIN_LIBGCC2 -D__GCC_FLOAT_NOT_NEEDED  -I. -I. -I../../src/gcc -I../../src/gcc/. -I../../src/gcc/config -I../../src/gcc/../include  -m64 -DL_muldi3 -c ../../src/gcc/libgcc2.c -o libgcc/64
[12:02] <fabbione> /_muldi3.o
[12:02] <fabbione> In file included from /usr/include/features.h:346,
[12:02] <fabbione>                  from /usr/include/stdio.h:28,
[12:02] <fabbione>                  from ../../src/gcc/tsystem.h:72,
[12:02] <fabbione>                  from ../../src/gcc/libgcc2.c:37:
[12:02] <fabbione> /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:9:27: gnu/stubs-64.h: No such file or directory
[12:02] <fabbione> this is with the patch applied
[12:02] <fabbione> same error
[12:02] <fabbione> i don't see that path included
[12:19] <doko_> hmm, you should run ./xgcc -v ...
[12:24] <fabbione> ./build/gcc/xgcc -v
[12:24] <fabbione> Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-linux-gnu/3.3.6/specs
[12:24] <fabbione> Configured with: ../src/configure -v --enable-languages=c,c++ --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/3.3 --enable-shared --enable-__cxa_atexit --with-system-zlib --enable-nls --without-included-gettext --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-debug --with-cpu=v8 sparc-linux-gnu
[12:24] <fabbione> Thread model: posix
[12:24] <fabbione> gcc version 3.3.6 (Ubuntu 1:3.3.6-13ubuntu1)
[12:31] <doko_> no, I mean the whole line, including all args
[12:31] <doko_> sorry
[12:32] <fabbione> doko_: see /msg
[12:32] <fabbione> it's still not there
[12:33] <fabbione> oh hoild on
[12:33] <fabbione> it's missing a piece
[02:13] <doko_> fabbione: you don't have the same problems with 3.4 and 4.0?
[02:14] <fabbione> doko_: dunno
[02:14] <fabbione> checking LP build logs
[02:17] <fabbione> doko_: it looks like they are ok
[02:17] <fabbione> they have been built with 2.4-1ubuntu6
[02:19] <fabbione> i can try to rebuild them if you want
[02:19] <doko_> ahh, yes, they will fail in the same way now.
[02:19] <fabbione> hmmm
[02:19] <fabbione> hold on a sec
[02:19] <fabbione> if they fail now and they did build before.. this might be a regression in glibc misplacing the include file
[02:20] <fabbione> let me check
[02:20] <doko_> no, not misplacing, but putting it into /usr/include/sparc64-linux-gnu
[02:20] <fabbione> i want to check where it was in ubuntu6
[02:22] <fabbione> nope.. it was in the same place also in ubuntu6
[02:22] <fabbione> i wonder if something else did change and it is defining WORDSIZE=64
[02:22] <fabbione> perhaps it was set to 32 before?
[02:23] <doko_> $ diff -ur 32/usr/include 64/usr/include/sparc64-linux-gnu|less
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/gnu: stubs-32.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 64/usr/include/sparc64-linux-gnu/gnu: stubs-64.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/rpcsvc: bootparam_prot.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/rpcsvc: key_prot.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/rpcsvc: klm_prot.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/rpcsvc: mount.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/rpcsvc: nfs_prot.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/rpcsvc: nlm_prot.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/rpcsvc: rex.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/rpcsvc: rquota.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/rpcsvc: rstat.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/rpcsvc: rusers.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/rpcsvc: sm_inter.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/rpcsvc: spray.h
[02:23] <doko_> Only in 32/usr/include/rpcsvc: yppasswd.h
[02:23] <doko_> that's libc6-dev libc6-dev-sparc64 compared
[02:26] <fabbione> yeah they didn't change between ubuntu6 and ubuntu11
[02:26] <fabbione> (glibc i mean)
[02:26] <fabbione> and gcc-3.4 and 4.0 were built with ubuntu6
[02:26] <fabbione> if they can't build anylonger
[02:26] <fabbione> it can only be because WORDSIZE did change from 32 to 64
[02:26] <fabbione> so stubs.h tries to include something else
[02:27] <doko_> no, I think gnu/stubs-64.h was installed as /usr/include/gnu/stubs-64.h
[02:27] <fabbione> did check that too
[02:27] <fabbione> it was in /usr/include/sparc64-linux-gnu|less
 Only in 32/usr/include/gnu: stubs-32.h
[02:28] <fabbione> ops
[02:28] <fabbione> it was in /usr/include/sparc64-linux-gnu
[02:28] <fabbione> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/216534/libc6-dev-sparc64
[02:28] <fabbione> this is the deb for ubuntu6
[02:33] <doko_> crap, the older build logs are not available
[02:33] <fabbione> ask infinity
[02:34] <fabbione> perhaps they are still stored in dak
[02:37] <doko_> hmm, no it was always installed in /usr/include/sparc64-linux-gnu
[02:45] <doko_> ahh, did look at the wrong patch ...
[02:45] <doko_> fabbione: do we need 3.3 to be built as biarch?
[02:46] <fabbione> (phone ... one sec)
[03:08] <fabbione> doko_: well i don't want to change gcc-* behaviour now
[03:08] <fabbione> i want to have it as it should be
[03:09] <fabbione> let me check if gcc-3.4 and 4.0 suffer of the same issue
[03:09] <doko_> fabbione: the only reason for 3.3 beeing in the archive is libstdc++5.
[03:09] <doko_> no, 3.4 and 4.0 work
[03:09] <fabbione> yes i am aware of that
[03:09] <fabbione> ok
[03:10] <doko_> so, do you even need that one on sparc?
[03:12] <fabbione> i dunno.. we might
[03:14] <doko_> ok, but not for 64bit, right?
[03:17] <fabbione> doko_: i have no clue if users have 64bit apps installed.. we can't predict
[03:18] <fabbione> i know a lot of people at SUN build 64 bit stuff on Linux.. i get bugged by email about them
[03:18] <fabbione> (hence why i was considering a pure64 sparc port)
[03:19] <doko_> fabbione: we didn't have a release with a g++-3.3 biarch for sparc ...
[03:21] <fabbione> doko_: is it so complicated to get it building?
[03:21] <fabbione> either i totally miss the point of your questions.. or we could just fix the FTBFS (best)
[03:22] <doko_> fabbione: apparently I tried, back in July, the package I sent you already disabled biarch for i386 ...
[03:23] <fabbione> back in July we didn't have glibc-2.4 :)
[03:24] <fabbione> Debian is even in a worst situation because their glibc doesn't even have stubs-64.h
[03:24] <fabbione> it seems lost somewhere
[03:24] <doko_> 2006-06-08 02:08:54 CEST  	Removed  	edgy   	Release  	main  	libs  	2.4-1ubuntu0
[03:25] <fabbione> doko_: just do what you think it's right...
[03:25] <fabbione> and let's try to avoid to kill the world
[03:35] <doko_> devil^Wsparc's advocate
[03:40] <fabbione> *grins*
[06:55] <doko_> fabbione: faure:~doko/gcc/3.3/
[06:56] <fabbione> doko_: what do you want me to do with it?
[06:56] <fabbione> oh i see :)
[06:58] <doko_> please check if 64bit C++ works for you


[00:58] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, \o
[03:04] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, \o\
[03:08] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: o/
[03:08] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, jam jam jam
[03:09] <vibhav> Exams here :(
[03:09] <SergioMeneses> what are you doing?... I'm testing Lubuntu versions
[03:09] <SergioMeneses> :OOO
[03:09] <vibhav> Writing autopkgtest
[03:09]  * vibhav was applying for MOTU
[03:09] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, omg that is awesome
[03:10]  * SergioMeneses wish become motu someday
[03:10] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: pitti said if we could work together to get atleast 5 autopkgtests into the repositories, he would endorse my application
[03:10] <vibhav> I mean 10, not five
[03:10] <SergioMeneses> perfect then vibhav
[03:11] <vibhav> So, 7 down. 3 more to go
[03:11] <SergioMeneses> and do you have to do it this weekend?
[03:11]  * SergioMeneses hugs vibhav
[03:11] <vibhav> I am trying to
[03:11]  * vibhav hugs SergioMeneses
[03:14] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: btw, I am also working on a chess engine these days
[03:19] <SergioMeneses> :)
[03:19]  * UnderControl waves hi to SergioMeneses
[03:21] <SergioMeneses> UnderControl, \o
[03:21] <UnderControl> How's it going?
[03:21] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, I will work in this ugj on testing more than other fields
[03:22] <SergioMeneses> UnderControl, jam jam jam
[03:22] <UnderControl> Jam! I wish I could do something useful this jam.
[03:22] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: ah
[03:22] <vibhav> Okay, I need to bother pitti now
[03:22] <vibhav> See you guys later
[03:23] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, good luck!
[03:24] <vibhav> thanks
[03:24] <SergioMeneses> UnderControl, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[03:25] <UnderControl> SergioMeneses Yeah, main problem is I'm on a limited internet connection until I have time to deal with my ISP.
[03:26] <SergioMeneses> UnderControl, I have a similar problem... I dont know why my internet connection is too slow at nights
[03:26] <UnderControl> Its slow for me at nights because usually the spectrum gets full with people coming home from work.
[03:27] <UnderControl> And I'm dreading buying a new modem.
[03:27] <SergioMeneses> you have to
[03:28] <UnderControl> Yeah, modem hunting is not fun. :(
[04:52] <SergioMeneses> ok UnderControl and vibhav see you tomorrow! bed time
[15:27] <SergioMeneses> morning guys!
[15:27] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, what happen about the motu thing?
[15:28] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: I wrote another autopkgtest
[15:28]  * vibhav is waiting for pitti to sponsor it
[15:28]  * SergioMeneses thinks vibhav rocks
[15:28] <vibhav> Haha
[15:28] <vibhav> That's nothing great though
[15:28] <vibhav> SergioMeneses: Dude, learn a programming language
[15:28] <SergioMeneses> jajaja
[15:28] <vibhav> Then you can do this stuff too
[15:29] <vibhav> It's fun
[15:29] <SergioMeneses> Im it engineer
[15:29] <SergioMeneses> I am trying to learn python and django, when I have time enough
[15:30] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, https://sergioandresmeneses.wordpress.com/2013/03/02/ubuntu-global-jam-day-1/
[15:39] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, good
[15:40] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, \o morning due!
[15:40] <SergioMeneses> or evening xD
[15:41] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, good night:P
[15:41] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, good night
[19:36] <SergioMeneses> vibhav, look https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFriendly