[00:29] <mongy> anyone else notice thunar access network before loading
[00:29] <mongy> and, why?
[00:38] <CrownWheel> mongy, is anyone actually talking in here?
[00:38] <CrownWheel> Am I set to "invisible" or some other arcane IRC thing?
[00:39] <GridCube> mongy, yes, thats pretty much he worst bug in thunar for the last few months
[00:39] <GridCube> why CrownWheel ?
[00:39] <mongy> GridCube, months?
[00:39] <CrownWheel> oh...just checking.
[00:39] <GridCube> mongy, yes
[00:39] <mongy> yay for open source speedy fixes
[00:39] <GridCube> we have had it since 11.0
[00:39] <GridCube> 4
[00:40] <mongy> many eyes means, not much
[00:40] <GridCube> theres a workaround
[00:40] <CrownWheel> actually, I wrote a good deal about gvfs doing something surprising earler, got zero responses.
[00:40] <CrownWheel> In #ubuntu, someone pulled out a 2008 bug report from Launchpad describing my bug.
[00:40] <GridCube> it happens
[00:40] <CrownWheel> (having to do with corrupt permissions on .gvfs)
[00:41] <CrownWheel> Looks like it was fixed back in Hardy.
[00:41] <GridCube> bug #775117
[00:41] <CrownWheel> But I've got the same behavior now in Oneiric.
[00:41] <CrownWheel> So...whadup wit' 'dat?
[00:41] <CrownWheel> bug 531516
[00:41] <GridCube> the workaroun is on comment 13
[00:42] <CrownWheel> reading...
[00:43] <CrownWheel> GridCube, was that comment 13 to bug 531516?
[00:43] <GridCube> no
[00:43] <CrownWheel> that explains it...
[00:44] <GridCube> i was talking to mongy and the accessin to network before loading
[00:44] <CrownWheel> what a coincidence.  I was looking at Bug 531516 - gvfs fuse mount is not functional after logout and subsequent login
[00:45] <CrownWheel> bah.  gnome bugtracker.
[00:46] <GridCube> :)
[00:47] <GridCube> then maybe that workaround will help you too
[00:48] <CrownWheel> well, it looks like I've got a .gvfs issue, not a Thunar issue.  But, like I say, it's supposedly fixed, as of Heron sometime in '08..
[00:49] <CrownWheel> Like I say, it results in corruption of the permissions to .gvfs in /home
[00:49] <CrownWheel> it ALSO results in corrupt permissions on /etc/mtab, so I can't even "cat mtab" to see if there's a gvfs filesystem mounted.
[00:50] <CrownWheel> It also managed to corrupt permissions to my .bash_history
[00:50] <CrownWheel> With the corrupted file permissions in /home, Thunar won't display anything in that directory.
[00:51] <CrownWheel> and I can't delete the permissions-corrupted file (even with sudo) because it generates an I/O error.
[00:53] <CrownWheel> Anyway, Vanna, if I could buy a clue as to where to start repairing GVFS, I would.
[01:03] <GridCube> no idea sorry :(
[02:29] <Fudge> hi can talk here re precisde alpha xubuntu?
[02:30] <Fudge> precise even
[02:34] <Unit193> Fudge: Would be far better in #ubuntu+1
[02:38] <Fudge> Unit193  i'm there but wasn't sure if xubuntu support or questions were available, thanks
[06:00] <Fudge> um i cant mount this xubuntu precise alpha, has anyone here tried it scucessfully
[06:00] <Fudge> successfully
[06:38] <holstein> Fudge: cant mount?
[06:38] <holstein> you mean, the install is failing?
[06:39] <holstein> maybe try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20111226/
[06:39] <the_3f_rule> Any of you guys know a image  app that can browse to a nas?
[06:40] <holstein> the_3f_rule: ?... if its mounted, you can use what you like
[06:40] <holstein> i use gigolo to mount network shares usually
[06:40] <the_3f_rule> It is.
[06:40] <Unit193> the_3f_rule: But you may need to install gvfs-backends in Oneiric for Gigolo to work
[06:41] <the_3f_rule> I am a total noob though with Linux
[06:41] <the_3f_rule> I use gigolo also.
[06:41] <the_3f_rule> I should say I have installed gigolo but haven't gotten it to work yet
[06:41] <Unit193> First, what version are you on?
[06:42] <the_3f_rule> The latest. 11.10?
[06:43] <holstein> the question is more like 'how do i mount my network share on my NAS'
[06:43] <holstein> then you can use whatever you like to view the pics
[06:43] <holstein> the_3f_rule: what NAS?
[06:44] <holstein> do you know how its being shared?
[06:47] <the_3f_rule> Sorry.
[06:47] <the_3f_rule> Blackarmor 440
[06:48] <the_3f_rule> Smb.
[06:48] <holstein> so, you might want to read about mounting samba shares
[06:49] <holstein> i typically personally avoid samba
[06:49] <the_3f_rule> Well, let me rephrase the question
[06:49] <holstein> Unit193: gigolo will mount a samba share?
[06:49] <Unit193> holstein: Oh yes, with the backends
[06:50] <the_3f_rule> I can get to the share.
[06:50] <holstein> the_3f_rule: i would grab that package Unit193 mentioned
[06:51] <the_3f_rule> What I am really looking for is a program that will display thumbnails from the nas.  The application is for my wife's photography business
[06:51] <the_3f_rule> Didn't see the package 193 mentioned
[06:52] <Sysi> sudp apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[06:53] <the_3f_rule> Rgr.  I'll try that thanks
[06:53] <holstein> yup... then thunar should just do it
[06:54] <Unit193> Worksforme
[06:55] <the_3f_rule> Got thunar and gvfs is already the newest version
[06:56] <the_3f_rule> I'll get more specific.  Does gigolo show thumbnails or just file names
[06:57] <Sysi> that gvfs "plugins" package you mean? because gvfs is what uses it :)
[06:58] <Sysi> do you have gvfs-browser or something set in gigolo preferences? change it to thunar
[06:59] <the_3f_rule> I'll look
[06:59] <Sysi> AFAIK gigolo just makes it possible to browse remote shares with filemanager, but I haven't used it myself
[07:00] <Unit193> It mounts
[07:00] <the_3f_rule> I don't see that option in preferences
[07:01] <Sysi> first tab, "file manager"
[07:02] <Sysi> mhm, gvfs-open opens it in thunar for me
[07:02] <Unit193> Exactly
[07:03] <the_3f_rule> Unsurprisingly I was looking in the wrong tab
[07:04] <the_3f_rule> Holy shit it worked.  Only been working on this for a month.  Thanks guys
[07:04] <the_3f_rule> Kick ass!
[07:48] <Fudge> yeah i got it to work, but cant figure out how to get audio working so i can start orca
[09:03] <lighta> hey guys, where can I found a rufus package ?
[09:52] <bram_> Hey first of all hope everyone enjoyed their christmas.
[09:55] <bram_> I've a query if anyone is online for support?
[10:23] <pkug> Hi there, how can I get multitouch gestures working on Xubuntu ? Is it possible to get zoom-in/out, page-up/down and such ? I have a Synaptics touchpad..
[10:29] <Sysi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/Ginn
[10:29] <TheSheep> pkug: install and run gpointing-device-settings
[10:32] <Ben64> There is no notification that updates are available in the panel, how can I make that appear?
[10:33] <Sysi> should happen by default, you need update-manager and maybe it in autostarted applications
[10:34] <Sysi> notification applet might be update-notifier
[12:07] <pitlimit> With gnome, I was able to monitor cpu usage by adding an applet to a panel
[12:08] <pitlimit> This functionality is no longer available with xubuntu... can anyone help me to get it working again?
[12:08] <Sysi> there's xfce4-cpugraph-plugin
[12:09] <TheSheep> and a system monitor plugin
[12:11] <pitlimit> which one of the two has a nicer graphical view :)
[12:12] <pitlimit> anyway, I get that xfce4-cpugraph-plugin is already the newest version
[12:12] <pitlimit> when I add it to the panel, it doesn't appear to work
[12:13] <pitlimit> I just see a white box
[12:14] <pitlimit> eh too much modification required for xubuntu
[12:14] <_Pete_> cpugraph indeed being the most important one :)
[12:15] <Sysi> ..it's white box which indicates you have very little cpu usage
[12:19] <Ben64> gnome has a nicer graphical cpu monitor
[12:20] <Ben64> i tried to get it to work with xfapplet, but xfapplet doesn't come with 12.04
[12:20] <Sysi> it broke after gnome3
[12:20] <_Pete_> imo gkrellm is da best
[12:20] <Ben64> don't know what to do after 12.04
[12:20] <Ben64> i can't use unity, and gnome 3 is almost as bad
[12:21] <Ben64> :(
[12:21] <Sysi> gnome-shell is quite nice and simple, fallback reminded me about old gnome (but with better settings manager)
[12:22] <Ben64> the themes are very bad and non-customizable
[12:22] <Sysi> greybird worked nicely
[12:22] <Ben64> in gnome 2, you could change colors of certain elements if you wanted
[12:23] <Sysi> I tried that and I ended up finding better theme on gnome-look.org
[12:23] <Ben64> i've got a while to play with it on my test machine before I have to upgrade on this one
[12:25] <Ben64> xfce is nice, but I'd like better applets, and would want to see when updates are available
[12:26] <Sysi> that works by default on xubuntu and I told you how you should get on any xfce build on xubuntu
[12:26] <Sysi> *on ubuntu, anyway
[12:27] <pitlimit> When I choose to add the cpu and mem monitors to the panel, they don't work
[12:27] <pitlimit> when I reboot, they simply completely disappear
[12:28] <pitlimit> Can anyone help me to get the monitors working?
[12:29] <Ben64> update-notifier was running, there was 3 updates available, there was no icon
[12:29] <Sysi> Ben64: check that you have notification area and indicator applet in your panel
[12:30] <Ben64> yeah they're there
[12:30] <pitlimit> Sysi, I have what you suggested I use installed
[12:30] <Sysi> hum, weird
[12:30] <pitlimit> but no matter what I do, they do not add to the panel
[12:30] <Sysi> pitlimit: weird, no problem for me
[12:30] <pitlimit> I started with the regular ubuntu
[12:31] <pitlimit> I HATED unity and so switched over to xubuntu
[12:31] <pitlimit> I'm not sure that transition had anything to do with it
[12:31] <Sysi> shouldn't have..
[12:31] <Ben64> i did the same, cpu and mem monitor works fine
[12:31] <Sysi> run cat ~/.xsession-errors in terminal and pastebin output
[12:31] <pitlimit> ugh I love that little window that tells me the work loa
[12:31] <pitlimit> d
[12:31] <Sysi> !pastebin
[12:32] <Ben64> its not the same style as gnome's though
[12:32] <pitlimit> yeah :(
[12:32] <pitlimit> as long as it works
[12:32] <pitlimit> okay I will pastebin it
[12:32] <Sysi> systemload plugin seems to be only usage bar but cpugraph has both
[12:33] <Ben64> i couldn't find a memory graph for xfce
[12:34] <Sysi> I had to use quite a bit of memory to see bar at all
[12:35] <Sysi> cpugraph settings apparently can only be accessed trough panel settings -> items
[12:35] <pitlimit> Sysi, http://pastebin.com/FU4M6JEu
[12:36] <pitlimit> dude there's a lot of errors in there
[12:36] <Ben64> I really like how mine is set up in gnome :( http://ben64.com/bar.png
[12:36] <pitlimit> yeah, I like that too Ben64
[12:36] <pitlimit> But I LOVE xubuntu's layout
[12:36] <pitlimit> and gnome on unity doesn't work very well
[12:36] <Ben64> no it doesn't
[12:36] <pitlimit> it's terrible
[12:37] <Sysi> Ben64: man that's a mess
[12:37] <pitlimit> I tried to drink the kool-aid they are selling over at ubuntu and tried to use it but i just could not
[12:37] <Ben64> Sysi: :(
[12:37] <Marzata> why the change layout option need to be set up every time after reboot?
[12:37] <pitlimit> I want it to look that way too Sysi
[12:37] <pitlimit> I want the monitor graph
[12:37] <pitlimit> I like how you can click on it and see everything
[12:38] <Marzata> system monitor?
[12:38] <Ben64> cpu temp, gpu temp, cpu freq, cpu graph, mem graph, workspaces, notification area, time, user status, power
[12:38] <Ben64> its awesome
[12:38] <Sysi> Marzata: what option?
[12:38] <pitlimit> Ben64, are you leaving unity too
[12:38] <pitlimit> Sysi, did you see  my pastebin :)
[12:38] <Ben64> pitlimit: yeah, on my test system
[12:38] <Marzata> Sysi: I have 3 keyboard layouts
[12:38] <Ben64> i'm waiting to upgrade on this one
[12:38] <Ben64> can't have a broken main computer
[12:38] <pitlimit> i see
[12:39] <pitlimit> I'm torn ... I just want everything to WORK so I want to like and use unity
[12:39] <Ben64> i'm on 10.04 still here
[12:39] <Marzata> Sysi: I use the super button to change them. but Xubuntu never remembers that after reboot.
[12:39] <Sysi> pitlimit: yeah, you didn't try adding those plugins during that logging or something other is not working
[12:39] <pitlimit> :(
[12:39] <pitlimit> I don't want to go back to using unity but things don't seem to just... WORK on xubuntu
[12:39] <Ben64> i don't like how unity is like mac
[12:39] <Sysi> you should check out gnome3 fallback
[12:40] <Marzata> pitlimit: can't you install it with a plugin. it was possile before.
[12:40] <Ben64> i don't want a bar at the top all the time
[12:40] <pitlimit> yeah Ben64
[12:40] <pitlimit> which plugin Marzata
[12:40] <pitlimit> my plugin IS installed
[12:40] <pitlimit> it just won't work
[12:40] <Sysi> I didn't check fallback panel options very much but it's not totally crippled
[12:41] <pitlimit> Sysi, the thing is, unity takes over
[12:41] <pitlimit> You cannot customize things very easily
[12:41] <Sysi> pitlimit: neither cpugraph-plugin or systemload monitor work?
[12:41] <pitlimit> I'll try one at a time
[12:41] <Sysi> pitlimit: you're not forced to use unity, select whatever you want on login
[12:42] <pitlimit> You lose functionality sysi - I don't know... if I can get xubuntu to do what I want, it's the easiest to customize
[12:42] <Ben64> yeah, everything is designed for unity now, makes other stuff kinda messy
[12:43] <pitlimit> It's hard to explain Sysi you need to try it yourself :)
[12:43] <Sysi> pitlimit: do you have all updates installed?
[12:43] <pitlimit> It's pretty... crappy
[12:43] <Ben64> unity is like windows 8 :|
[12:43] <pitlimit> yes Sysi
[12:43] <pitlimit> i'm going to try to log out and in again
[12:43] <pitlimit> to see if it sticks
[12:43] <Ben64> an os that should be on a mobile device, not a real computer
[12:43] <pitlimit> I am now using the system load monitor
[12:43] <pitlimit> No nice graph though :(
[12:44] <Sysi> unity is messy, I liked gnome-shell much better
[12:45] <Sysi> but I think it's much better on fullhd desktop than netbook
[12:47] <Sysi> KDE sure is customizable but you can get lost with all switches of course
[12:48] <Sysi> if I wanted good system monitoring without kde's plasma Iäd probably use conky
[12:48] <pitlimit> every time i log out and log back in, the stuff I added to the panel disappears
[12:48] <Marzata> there was a plugin to be able to install gnome 2.x applets in Xfce
[12:48] <TheSheep> pitlimit: do you have any free space in your home directory?
[12:49] <pitlimit> hm
[12:49] <pitlimit> fdisk -l?
[12:49] <pitlimit> is that how I check
[12:49] <TheSheep> Marzata: it's gone
[12:49] <TheSheep> pitlimit: df -h
[12:49] <pitlimit> I have 357 gigs
[12:50] <Sysi> thunar should show at the bottom of window
[12:50] <TheSheep> pitlimit: did you change the ownership or rights of files or directories in your home?
[12:50] <Sysi> have you used filemanager with sudo, had same home for several installations?
[12:51] <pitlimit> TheSheep, my home is encrypted
[12:51] <pitlimit> does that make a difference
[12:51] <TheSheep> no
[12:51] <pitlimit> Sysi, I upgraded from 11.04
[12:51] <Marzata> TheSheep: not avail in xfce4 goodies anymore?
[12:51] <TheSheep> Marzata: it doesn't work with the new broken gnome
[12:51] <Sysi> Marzata: well, those applets are gone anyway
[12:51] <Marzata> gone?
[12:52] <TheSheep> like tears in the rain
[12:52] <Marzata> you need gnome 2.x and xfce.
[12:52] <Marzata> what is gone?
[12:52] <Sysi> gnome 2
[12:52] <Marzata> gnome 2.x not in the 11.10 repos?
[12:53] <pitlimit> wait so are others in here having problems with disappearing applets?
[12:53] <pitlimit> or applets that don't appear to work?
[12:53] <Sysi> possibly have had
[12:53]  * Marzata moved to Xubuntu long time ago and love it.
[12:53] <Sysi> would you mind losing your personal settings?
[12:54] <pitlimit> who me, Sysi ?
[12:54] <pitlimit> Marzata, did you have problems with applets not working
[12:54] <Sysi> pitlimit: yes
[12:54] <Marzata> pitlimit: in Xubu?
[12:54] <pitlimit> what kind of personal settings
[12:54] <pitlimit> yes Marzata
[12:54] <Sysi> like panel setup
[12:54] <Marzata> pitlimit: what applets in Xfce are not wroking?
[12:55] <pitlimit> cpu monitor Marzata and memory monitor
[12:55] <Marzata> I have them working.
[12:55] <pitlimit> they show up while I add them, but if I log out and log back in, they are gone!
[12:55] <Marzata> pitlimit: have you wrote there the correct net interface? esp. in the net monitor.
[12:55] <pitlimit> what does that mean Marzata
[12:56] <Sysi> he's not using net monitor, mem and cpu should just work and not disapper by themselves anyway
[12:56] <pitlimit> I guess while you're helping me, you may call me he
[12:57] <pitlimit> Overall, everything is working alright, but I really do want the CPU/memory monitor to work
[12:57] <pitlimit> I rely on it
[12:57] <pitlimit> Also, I hate using top
[12:57] <pitlimit> so archaic
[12:57] <Sysi> if you're she, pardon
[12:57] <Marzata> use htop
[12:58] <pitlimit> Marzata, I want the pretty little graph on panel 1 :)
[12:58] <Marzata> pitlimit: the Xfce one?
[12:59] <pitlimit> what's interesting is that when I add the system load monitor, it adds it to the very right of the top panel
[12:59] <pitlimit> to the right of the date
[12:59] <pitlimit> to the right also of my login name
[12:59] <Sysi> that's default, you can drag from list anywhere you want
[12:59] <pitlimit> oh
[12:59] <pitlimit> Marzata, I don't know what the Xfce one is
[12:59] <pitlimit> I just want something working with a pretty graph I can look at when I click on it
[13:00] <Marzata> pitlimit: are you using Ubuntu or Xubuntu?
[13:00] <pitlimit> xubuntu
[13:00] <pitlimit> I switched from Ubuntu last week
[13:00] <pitlimit> well Sysi dragging is not working
[13:00] <Marzata> then just add net the Network monitor in the panel
[13:00] <pitlimit> Marzata, it doesn't hold
[13:01] <pitlimit> it sticks for the session
[13:01] <pitlimit> then disappears
[13:01] <Sysi> pitlimit: something is totally wrong with your panel
[13:01] <Marzata> can we see a screen shot?
[13:01] <pitlimit> okay
[13:06] <pitlimit> Where should I paste the image to
[13:06] <pitlimit> It's killing me i've wasted this much time on this matter
[13:07] <pitlimit> dudes, I'm switching back
[13:07] <pitlimit> this is slightly ridiculous
[13:08] <Marzata> http://sharesend.com/
[13:11] <Marzata> http://bapoumba.wordpress.com/2008/01/04/add-gnome-applets-to-the-xfce-panel/ is this still working?
[13:11] <Sysi> no
[13:53] <_DeLa_> Hello Xubuntu, Good-bye Linux Mint :-ł
[13:54] <_DeLa_> I acutally feel like that booting up was a bit faster wwith mint 11 / gnome 2, but once the apps are startet, switching between them seems a lot faster with xubuntu
[13:54] <projekt26> hah
[13:55] <projekt26> stupid sexy mint
[16:11] <DeLa|AFK> should I enable canonical partner software as a software source?
[16:11] <TheSheep> DeLa|AFK: if you want
[16:12] <DeLa|AFK> what kind of software would be accessable through this option?
[16:12] <DeLa|AFK> or: why isn*t this option enabled as a standard?
[16:18] <ablomen> DeLa|AFK, because there is propertary software in there, and some people get all mad when that is enabled by default
[16:18] <DeLa|AFK> ah, I see. thanks!
[16:18] <DeLa|AFK> well, a little "free beer" has not killed anybody yet ;-)
[16:22] <ablomen> yeah i agree, but some don't so i guess the checkbox is a good option
[16:23] <DeLa|AFK> yes, you are right
[16:27] <DeLa|AFK> another question: how do I install new software packages that are not in the software sources? When I try, I can open it with software center and get the message that there is no software with the name xyz - which is of course right, otherwise I wouldn't download it
[16:29] <ablomen> depends on what kind of installer you have, if it  is a .deb file for the right distro and version you should be able to just double-click it
[16:30] <xsl> is it possible to remove the powerbutton from the lightdm, or how do i deny people to press it.
[16:42] <neronin> Hi! Im trying to use the CPU Frequency Monitor that ships with xubuntu to reduce my cpu speed. When it sits in the panel i can click on it and supposedly change the "governor" to "power save" performance" etc. But when i chose either one of those options it always defaults back to "ondemand" when i close and re-open it
[16:42] <neronin> Any idea why it doesnt stick to what i selected?
[17:32] <mongy> xsl, the config you need is /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.consolekit.policy
[17:36] <StormStrikes> Anyone here using a HP OfficeJet Pro 8600 printer?
[18:16] <Crash_O-D> how do you get the sd card to show in list to open it
[19:47] <scopic> Hi all
[19:48] <scopic> I was wondering if anyone can help me with getting bluetooth working in 11.10, answer some questions. It is for a keyboard, so should be simple...any yet it refuses to pair right
[19:48] <scopic> and*
[20:58] <fivedaysahead> I am stuck on the login screen in xubuntu i had set up automatic login with automatic password and it was working fine but now i restarted my comp and i am stuck on the login screen I have can click login and it goes to a black screen with some stuff like it would normally do if it was giong to login but then comes back to the login screen
[21:04] <Sysi> log in to Ctrl Alt F5 terminal and run "rm -rf ~/.ICEauthority"
[21:04] <Sysi> back to GUI with Ctrl Alt F7
[21:05] <fivedaysahead> can i do this remotely?
[21:05] <fivedaysahead> or do i have to do it on the comp
[21:05] <genii-around> On the computer
[21:06] <Sysi> removing that file should work remotely too (ssh)
[21:06] <fivedaysahead> ok
[21:06] <fivedaysahead> will try
[21:06] <fivedaysahead> sudo rm?
[21:07] <fivedaysahead> ok removed it
[21:07] <fivedaysahead> now should i just turn the comp off and back on and see if that did anything?
[21:08] <Sysi> yeah I think sudo reboot would work
[21:09] <fivedaysahead> you sure
[21:09] <fivedaysahead> are a genius
[21:09] <fivedaysahead> it worked perfectly
[21:09] <fivedaysahead> what does that file do anyways?
[21:09] <fivedaysahead> thank you so much!
[21:11] <fivedaysahead> is there a way to stop apache2 server from starting automatically without make a script to stop it at startup? i guess that way works probably not the best way though
[21:11] <Sysi> I'm not sure what ICE is, something with login authorization
[21:11] <Sysi> I'm not really familiar with upstart config
[21:12] <fivedaysahead> thanks again!
[21:12] <fivedaysahead> what did the ~/ do?
[21:13] <Sysi> ~ means your home folder
[21:13] <Sysi> http://askubuntu.com/questions/19320/whats-the-recommend-way-to-enable-disable-services
[21:13] <fivedaysahead> thanks!
[21:26] <Marzata> we have bunch of xubuntu machines, all ntped to net time servers but all clocks show different times. how is this possible?
[21:30] <TheSheep> Marzata: timezones?
[21:32] <Marzata> no, they are in the same time zone, the difference is +/- 30 seconds
[21:39] <TheSheep> Marzata: that's strange, they should automatically detect their skew and synchronise eventually
[22:49] <fivedaysahead> Sysi thanks again!
[22:50] <Sysi> np
[22:51] <fivedaysahead> removing that file did the trick
[22:51] <fivedaysahead> now for another question
[22:51] <fivedaysahead> when i'm on the ubuntu comp and type echo $DISPLAY i get a blank line output
[22:52] <Sysi> you don't have that variable set
[22:52] <fivedaysahead> am i suppose to set it?
[22:52] <Sysi> export DISPLAY=:0.0
[22:52] <Sysi> I'm not sure about correct value
[22:53] <fivedaysahead> am i suppose to set it?
[22:53] <fivedaysahead> or is it fine not to have it set
[22:54] <Sysi> when not running xorg I guess it usually isn't set
[22:54] <fivedaysahead> what's Xorg
[22:54] <fivedaysahead> just X?
[22:54] <fivedaysahead> sorry i'm a newb haha
[22:55] <Sysi> xorg/X/X11
[22:55] <fivedaysahead> i mean i have the comp set up and logged in with gui so i guess X is running? right
[22:57] <fivedaysahead> if i run from my ssh terminal > DISPLAY=:0 xcalc it opens on my remote machine if i change that 0 to a 10 it will open on my machine because i have enabled x11 forwarding
[22:58] <Sysi> I'm not sure how that stuff works
[22:59] <TheSheep> if you ssh to it with -X and -Y options, ssh will automatically set DISPLAY to the right value
[22:59] <fivedaysahead> one question do you even know if this is possible where say i call xcalc through ssh and it opens in both my machine and and the remote machine becuase with changing that display i can set it to open on either my remote or my machine just wondering if it is possible to do both
[22:59] <TheSheep> and will handle tunneling
[23:00] <fivedaysahead> i'm using putty and xming
[23:00] <TheSheep> fivedaysahead: it's not possible to do both, and with the current X implementation it's not possible to move it once it's running
[23:00] <fivedaysahead> thank you very much was just wondering if it was possible that'd be cool if it was
[23:01] <TheSheep> fivedaysahead: you can run two copies
[23:02] <fivedaysahead> that's true but i was thinking more along the lines of it being like vnc but just one program that i can open on my computer and not have to see the whole desktop and also have it open on the remote computer
[23:03] <fivedaysahead> can you vnc just one program? instead of the whole desktop
[23:03] <TheSheep> I'm not sure if vns supports it, I'm sure the remote desktop does
[23:03] <TheSheep> s/vns/vnc
[23:03] <fivedaysahead> i'm running x11vnc and i remote in with the java client it works quite nicely actually
[23:04] <fivedaysahead> just wondering if there's a way to just do one program so you think the remote desktop might be capable?
[23:04] <TheSheep> remote desktop can do that, but it's for windows
[23:05] <fivedaysahead> i'm running windows
[23:05] <TheSheep> x forwarding over ssh does that too
[23:05] <fivedaysahead> and xubuntu on my other machine
[23:05] <fivedaysahead> x forwarding over ssh will allow me to do just one program but can i run that in both comps at the same time like say my machine and the remote machine
[23:06] <TheSheep> fivedaysahead: x forwarding runs the program on the remote machine but makes it display everything on the local machine
[23:06] <TheSheep> fivedaysahead: you cannot make it display on both machines
[23:06] <fivedaysahead> that's what i was wondering thanks
[23:16] <skegeek> How do you completely disable xscreensaver?
[23:17] <fivedaysahead> settings then you should see screensaver in there and then disable it
[23:17] <fivedaysahead> or i think you might be able to completey remove it
[23:17] <fivedaysahead> sudo apt-get purge xscreensaver
[23:19] <skegeek> Aren't libcairo, libgtk-pixbuf, libpango needed for Xubuntu to operate?
[23:20] <Sysi> then you probably should go with it's settings
[23:20] <fivedaysahead> i honestly don't know enough to tell
[23:20] <Sysi> you may want to check power managment settings too
[23:21] <skegeek> Well, apt said they're no longer needed when I removed gnome-screensaver and again when I removed xscreensaver
[23:22] <skegeek> xscreensaver I believe was causing freezing
[23:22] <fivedaysahead> yikes
[23:23] <skegeek> When I had gnome-screensaver installed it was only freezing when using Gnome. But, afterword the screen started just going black and stopped returning to desktop.
[23:23] <fivedaysahead> even after moving the mouse or hitting space it was still black?
[23:25] <Sysi> well, if nothing but those libs are removed with apps they aren't needed for functioning
[23:26] <skegeek> It didn't remove them, it suggests removing them.
[23:26] <Sysi> ah, apt-get autoremove or run apt-get install on them if you're worried
[23:28] <skegeek> It suggests removing: datrie, gdk-pixbuf, pixman, xinerama, xft2,thai, jasper, pango, xcb-render, xcursor, xcb-shm0, xrandr, gtk2
[23:28] <skegeek> All of their lib packages, that is.
[23:29] <fivedaysahead> it suggest removing xinerama is that installed by default?
[23:29] <skegeek> I'm just not sure why it suggests removing them, I would that at least gtk2, xrandr, and pango would be needed for the desktop.
[23:29] <fivedaysahead> it suggest removing xrandr?? i don't think you want to do that
[23:29] <Sysi> okay, apt-get autoremove would probably tell you it's gonna remove entire xfce
[23:30] <skegeek> I would assume so. Makes me curious why apt would be suggesting to do so.
[23:30] <Sysi> you may wanna run apt-get install to those libs so that it stops suggesting removing them
[23:30] <Sysi> because apt thinks they're not needed because packages you removed needed them
[23:31] <Sysi> I prefer aptitude, it's smarter
[23:31] <fivedaysahead> i've nver used aptitutde does it have the same repsoitories by default?
[23:31] <skegeek> Same as synaptic
[23:31] <Sysi> it functions on top of apt
[23:31] <Sysi> like synaptic
[23:31] <fivedaysahead> ooh it's gui?
[23:32] <Sysi> no, it can be used via ncurses "GUI" or by commands
[23:32] <skegeek> apt and aptitude are command line utilities, Synaptic is a gui frontend to them if I'm not mistaken.
[23:32] <fivedaysahead> got it
[23:33] <fivedaysahead> just installed it
[23:33] <fivedaysahead> thanks
[23:39] <fivedaysahead> what's the best webcam software out there?