[07:09] <aru> thoreauputic: all I want to do is record from line 2 on my front panel instead of the mic input in the back :)
[07:09] <XhyldazhK> ooohh...
[07:09] <Orborde> Razor-X: Only some of it. As far as I can tell, it lists the contents of /usr/bin and feeds them into apt-get reinstall
[07:09] <XhyldazhK> let me try that
[07:09] <holycow> heh
[07:09] <holycow> i just wore out my ubuntu installation cd :)
[07:09] <holycow> time to dl a new iso
[07:09] <Myrtti> holycow: hehe
[07:10] <Lichte> has anyone tried to upgrade to breezy with success ?
[07:10] <deFrysk> sudo*
[07:10] <thoreauputic> aru: have you tried #ardour? THere must be such a channel...
[07:10] <bob2> Orborde: dpkg -S returns "packagename: /usr/bin/blah", awk prints only the first bit ($1), sed strips the trailing :, apt-get installs that list
[07:10] <aru> thoreauputic: nah, the program looked like too much for my needs anyway
[07:10] <durt> yes lichte
[07:11] <Lichte> durt, are the instructions on the wiki accurate ?
[07:11] <bob2> Orborde: as I said, it won't work on symlinks; it doesn't matter, tho, since the permissions on symlinks don't matter
[07:11] <aapelii> How do I set the windowmanager to not raise window that I click, so that windows are only raised by cliking the titlebar?
[07:11] <Orborde> bob2: Sorry about the mass paste; I'll pastebin it.
[07:11] <Orborde> bob2: Terminal output: http://pastebin.com/355836
[07:11] <Orborde> bob2: It terminated without apparently doing anything.
[07:12] <bob2> aapelii: install devilspie
[07:12] <setite> activating wlan0.. its taking a while
[07:12] <setite> should i set the ESSID?
[07:12] <bob2> Orborde: check you typed it correctly, it works here
[07:12] <bob2> Orborde: or did apt print an error?
[07:13] <durt> lichte: i just "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[07:13] <setite> ok wlan0 is activated
[07:13] <setite> woot.. thanks durt... its only a matter of time now
[07:13] <durt> good job setite :)
[07:13] <Orborde> bob2: E: Couldn't find package autoconf2.13,
[07:13] <Orborde> bob2: (stop)
[07:13] <Lichte> durt, that didn't work for me; I had to re-install hoary
[07:13] <bob2> Orborde: there you go then
[07:13] <setite> durt: one question though.. i have no lights
[07:13] <Lichte> oh well.........
[07:14] <bob2> Orborde: that's in hoary/main, your sources.list is lacking
[07:14] <aru> thoreauputic: if audacity would let me switch like its supposed to I would be done :)
[07:14] <setite> my emachine lappy has a light that turns on... there is a switch for it... its not turning on.. but the card is activated... does that matter?
[07:14] <durt> setite: whats the question?
[07:14] <dreamie> thoreauputic, the problem is that the errors go away.. and i cant stop the screen to get all the commands
[07:14] <dreamie> its in the begging of booting
[07:14] <Orborde> bob2: Where is sources.list?
[07:14] <setite> im getting no scan results
[07:14] <thoreauputic> aru: are you using esd? I had probelems with audacity while using esd - maybe try " killall esd"
[07:14] <setite> but im in a spotty area
[07:15] <bob2> Orborde: /etc/apt
[07:15] <setite> is there a gui for scanning that is included or should i get that one i saw on the forum that someone made
[07:15] <McScruff> lo
[07:15] <aru> thoreauputic: I don't think that did anything
[07:15] <thoreauputic> dreamie: if this is on bott up , try running dmesg | less to read the output
[07:15] <bob2> errors from aumix won't be in dmesg
[07:15] <McScruff> has anyone ever used win4lin?
[07:15] <bob2> they won't be anywhere but in bootlog
[07:15] <thoreauputic> aru: ah, well it was worth a try
[07:16] <wickedpuppy> setite, try xsane
[07:16] <setite> ok
[07:16] <bob2> McScruff: surely the win4lin company provides support for the software they sell?
[07:16] <durt> setite: go to sys>pref>network and activate wlan0
[07:16] <thoreauputic> aru: ah, see what bob2 said
[07:16] <setite> durt its activated :)
[07:16] <McScruff> bob2, dont need support
[07:16] <thoreauputic> bah sorry aru
[07:16] <aru> hang on
[07:16] <McScruff> i dont have it (yet)
[07:16] <setite> oh shit there is a crazy man in the parking lot
[07:16] <thoreauputic> dreamie: my post to aru was for you
[07:16] <Orborde> bob2: Hoary main appears to be there, though I'm not totally sure how to verify it.
[07:17] <setite> time to dial 911 and pull out the baton
[07:17] <setite> brb people
 thoreauputic, the problem is that the errors go away <-- you could run your command > ~/show.errors 2>&1       or possably just   command 2> ~/show.errors
[07:17] <McScruff> does it have to run all of windows os to run an app (like vmware) or does it run apps like wine
[07:17] <bob2> Orborde: apt-cache policy autoconf2.13, in #flood
[07:17] <aru> got me all confused now :)
[07:17] <Orborde> bob2: Synpaptic finds autoconf2.13
[07:17] <durt> setite: it works?
[07:17] <Orborde> bob2: Well, maybe not.
[07:17] <Orborde> bob2: Okay...
[07:17] <poningru> I had a question
[07:17] <dducko> Is there a way to disable the Print Screen Key from makeing its little popup.. like i have to push another key with it to make it work
[07:18] <poningru> who handles the repository mirrors?
[07:18] <poningru> are there any?
[07:18] <gm78> hey all. i want to run dvd shrink on ubuntu hoary. the version of wine that ships with hoary doesn't seem to work at all (ignores changes to config file). The one from Wine's apt repo is too new. I need 20050504. But Wine has only kept every release after that version. Anyone know where I can get the source?
[07:18] <poningru> how do I try to become one?
[07:18] <intelikey> dreamie that would file the error messages in show.errors file in your home dir.
[07:18] <evader> woohoo for dist-upgrading to breezy
[07:18] <evader> hope it works
[07:18] <aapelii> bob2: either I don't know how to use devilspie or then it is broken (Im using breezy). Should it work by just running it from command line?
[07:18] <evader> ....
[07:18] <poningru> dreamie: hey
[07:19] <bob2> aapelii: no idea; it has no documentation at all?
[07:19] <Orborde> bob2: Pasted
[07:20] <aapelii> bob2: Ill google around, maybe I can find something
[07:20] <aru> I'm getting a new mic, thats all there is to it
[07:24] <dreamie> interlikey, how do i do that?
[07:24] <dreamie> poningru: hey
[07:24] <intelikey> i think i already know the answer to this, but does ub have xfree86-3.6 ?
[07:25] <intelikey> sorry dreamie, what ?
[07:25] <dreamie> the errors
[07:25] <dreamie> what exactly do i do to record them
[07:25] <intelikey> what command are you running ?
[07:25] <dreamie> intelikey, i get the errors while the computer is booting
[07:26] <intelikey> heehhe  try dmesg dreamie :)
[07:27] <nicholaspaul> i'm trying to install a CDRW... shows in BIOS but I only have one CDROM showing under /media. can i just edit fstab?
[07:27] <poningru> nicholaspaul: yeah
[07:27] <regeya> o_O
[07:28] <poningru> no one answered my question
[07:28] <intelikey> or look in  /var/log/dmesg  the boot time errors might be in there. dreamie
[07:28] <aru> well... I wonder if the sound card is even working correctly
[07:28] <nicholaspaul> poningru. so i just add another /dev/hdb ? what should i use?
[07:28] <poningru> its a cdrw?
[07:28] <nicholaspaul> yea, cdrw
[07:28] <nicholaspaul> i have one, poningru, and installed a 2nd one
[07:29] <poningru> yeah I think that should do
[07:29] <thoreauputic> aru: have you checked the line in and so on in alsamixer?
[07:29] <poningru> hold on
[07:29] <nicholaspaul> kk
[07:29] <aru> thoreauputic: I maxed the heck out of everything
[07:29] <thoreauputic> aru: OK
[07:29] <thoreauputic> :(
[07:29] <intelikey> nicholaspaul yes you can edit fstab if you know the physical address.   /dev/hdc  or something.
[07:29] <aru> see the problem isn't that the mic has no sound
[07:30] <aru> it's that audacity and Sound Recorder don't let me select aux 2 to record from
[07:30] <nicholaspaul> thats it, intelikey, i dont know the physical address. But i do know its the secondary master, if that helps
[07:30] <intelikey> secondary master on ide is /dev/hdc
[07:31] <thoreauputic> aru: the resident sound guru seems to be crimsun - maybe you can catch hime when he's around
[07:31] <nicholaspaul> oh sweet, intelikey, i was trying to find some kind of equivelancy under the forum :)
[07:31] <intelikey> they start with a and count up from there
[07:31] <nicholaspaul> aaahhh....!!intelikey, the 'key' to the mystery :) thansk!
[07:31] <intelikey> np
[07:32] <nicholaspaul> thx intelikey. I best be getting to bed now! :) gnite
[07:32] <poningru> oh hehe
[07:34] <Myrtti> http://www.flexbeta.net/main/articles.php?action=show&id=108 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
[07:34] <dreamie> ok i got the dmesg.. i can i post it to show it to you all
[07:35] <dreamie> i dont know what causes the beeps
[07:35] <dreamie> but it might be that part where it repeats itself many times
[07:35] <dreamie> how can i post it?
[07:35] <intelikey> !+pastebin
[07:35] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:36] <setite> where is xsane
[07:36] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: actually an inaccuracy on the first page - it's quite possible to do a minimal install of Ubuntu using the "server" option
[07:37] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: yup, and that what bugs the writer
[07:37] <Myrtti> I'm actually going to do a minimal install very time soon
[07:37] <Myrtti> Is there a ubuntu deb of IceWM?
[07:37] <intelikey> it is all i can do on this box.
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: yep
[07:38] <Myrtti> cool
[07:38] <Myrtti> I think I'll put that one in
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: and I should have read a bit more - you're right, he mentions the possibility
[07:38] <intelikey> yes Myrtti   if you have setup your sources  do apt-cache search <what ever you want>
[07:38] <Myrtti> intelikey: nooooo, really ;-)
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: you'll need x-window-system or x-window-system-core as well
[07:39] <Myrtti> but icewm is dependant on those, so if I do a minimal install and apt-get icewm ... it should come in too, n'est pas?
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: not sure on that
[07:40] <Myrtti> hm
[07:40] <Myrtti> have to check that
[07:40] <zcat[1] > i would expect so
[07:40] <Myrtti> then
[07:40] <intelikey> yes it will
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: check the deps for icewm
[07:40] <intelikey> but an xserver will still be needed
[07:41] <intelikey> none of them do
[07:41] <aru> thoreauputic: you actually use audacity?
[07:41] <zcat[1] > really?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> zcat[1] : true, I just installed the x stuff anyway so I didn't really notice :)
[07:41] <thoreauputic> aru: occasionally
[07:42] <intelikey> i do have.   the button on the face of it selects mic or line# aru
[07:42] <ironuckles> does anyone know of a tutorial or documentation for writing better sleep and resume scripts for my laptop?
[07:42] <aru> thoreauputic: where it gives you the ability to switch between mic and line, does it actually say anything?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> aru: hang on
[07:42] <Myrtti> I think it's not dependant on x straight, but thru other packages
[07:42] <intelikey> the button on the face of it selects mic or line# aru
[07:43] <aru> intelikey: mine is blank
[07:43] <Myrtti> hmmm
[07:43] <aru> does that mean my soundcard is setup wrong?
[07:43] <zcat[1] > check that it's configged for the correct device..
[07:43] <intelikey> hmmmmm
[07:43] <Myrtti> I should mail the girls and ask when I could come and fulfill my dreams of installin Ubuntu on the computer
[07:43] <Myrtti> I've been pulling my hair of because of W98SE on it so many time
[07:43] <aru> I can listen to music and sing along with the mic no problem :)
[07:43] <Myrtti> s
[07:43] <intelikey> i don't know.  i've never tried to run audacity on a system with bork sound.
[07:44] <aru> I just can find anything to record from aux2 with
[07:44] <intelikey> aru try cli
[07:44] <zcat[1] > mine shows line / line1 / pcm / pcm2 / mic / cd
[07:44] <Myrtti> either I install Ubuntu on it or throw it down from the third floor balcony
[07:44] <aru> zcat[1] : did you install from repos or build it yourself?
[07:44] <setite> where is xsane i cant find it
[07:45] <zcat[1] > apt-got it
[07:45] <aru> thats what I did
[07:45] <aru> what soundcard?
[07:45] <Myrtti> oh yes, the porridge
[07:45] <ironuckles> This is sort of a specific question concerning sound... Is there a better way to get zsnes to work with sound other than running killall esd?
[07:45] <setite> anyoen?
[07:45] <thoreauputic> aru: none of my mic options are greyed out/ blank
[07:45] <intelikey> aumix   and select the device you want to record from, then record and see if you hardware is working correctly.
[07:45] <vbgunz> hello everyone
[07:46] <ironuckles> hello
[07:46] <aru> mines blank
[07:46] <aru> I can't change it at all
[07:46] <omp342> at exactly 11:00pm (14 minutes) i'll finish downloading hoary :)
[07:46] <ironuckles> omp342, congrats
[07:46] <vbgunz> whats todays tip?
[07:46] <aru> I dont know what aumix is
[07:47] <omp342> i already have a copy on a cd but i don't want the amd64 version
[07:47] <dreamie> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1948
[07:47] <omp342> they don't like ati drivers
[07:47] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: today's tip is "Don't ask what today's tip is " ;-)
[07:47] <ironuckles> lol
[07:47] <Myrtti> Ain't it great that Ubuntu actually DOES know how to calculate when the downloads finish up :-)
[07:47] <vbgunz> I found a good one... I always thought you should never have to reboot Linux... *BUT* I found myself rebooting it sometimes just to get some things done... Any how, the following is sweet... "sudo init 1" then when the screen is done rolling "sudo init 2"...
[07:47] <vbgunz> ;)
[07:48] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: ah yes, but that's still cheating ;)
[07:48] <vbgunz> is there a better way?
[07:48] <bob2> why would you need to run that?
[07:48] <aru> ok I got aumix... now what
[07:48] <vbgunz> I've been dying to find that one out
[07:48] <zcat[1] > /etc/init.d/foo restart
[07:48] <bob2> just restart the daemons you care about
[07:48] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: as always, it depends
[07:49] <vbgunz> it reboots linux without actually rebooting linux "I think"...
[07:49] <omp342> can't you just restart x?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: not exactly
[07:49] <Xorlev> You can reboot X
[07:50] <vbgunz> yeah... Ctrl+Alt+Backspace I learned *BUT* it would never come back... it would just stay black... That was one of the reasons I would reboot ;)
[07:50] <zcat[1] > /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:50] <Xorlev> Ctrl + Alt + Backspace
[07:50] <bob2> or sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[07:50] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: it reruns scripts that atart in runlevel 2 IIRC
[07:50] <zcat[1] > that too.
[07:50] <dreamie> did everyone see my page. that is the error thing page http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1948
[07:51] <vbgunz> sudo reboot x? I noticed Linux is very case sensitive... so x is x or X?
[07:51] <Xorlev> Which error is it dreamie?
[07:51] <Xorlev> X is XOrg
[07:51] <aru> so I suppose this means my soundcard is setup wrong?
[07:51] <omp342> i just do 'main menu>log out' and write startx (i don't have a graphical logon)
[07:51] <bob2> vbgunz: ignore that, read what zcat[1]  and I said
[07:51] <ironuckles> just run killall x
[07:51] <Xorlev> Kill X, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:52] <Xorlev> Then run /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:52] <vbgunz> yeah I use to do sudo-dpkg reconfigure-xorg "I think" and then I would have to end up rebooting... Ctrl+Alt+Backspace never worked for me... But init 1 and init 2 seemed to work ok ...
[07:52] <bob2> no
[07:52] <bob2> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[07:52] <bob2> that's all you need to do
[07:52] <Xorlev> Either works.
[07:52] <vbgunz> ok if I try that now I would definitely knock out IRC huh?
[07:53] <Xorlev> Yes.
[07:53] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: yep
[07:53] <bob2> depends how you're running your irc client
[07:53] <aru> thoreauputic: what sound card do you have?
[07:53] <vbgunz> hehe :)
[07:53] <Xorlev> Unless you opened up another console and used a text based client like irssi
[07:53] <bob2> mine's in screen, so would survive that
[07:53] <thoreauputic> aru: a crappy sis7012 onboard
[07:53] <vbgunz> cool, I am logging this... I found learning linux is a never ending log
[07:53] <clarkstella> heh
[07:53] <clarkstella> speaking of which
[07:54] <vbgunz> thanks fellas
[07:54] <aru> hmm
[07:54] <TokenBad> whats command to install inetd?
[07:54] <clarkstella> i'm trying to follow the instructions on the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LowEndSystemSupport
[07:54] <TokenBad> apt-get install what?
[07:54] <clarkstella> but the docs are wrong
[07:54] <TokenBad> identd even
[07:54] <aru> I'm gunna order a new one
[07:54] <vbgunz> I gotta try... brb >:)
[07:54] <dreamie> Xorlev, i dont know which error it is
[07:54] <Xorlev> What is your problem in the first place dreamie?
[07:54] <dreamie> Xorlev, somewhere around the middle it causes my computer to do a series of beeps
[07:55] <dreamie> xorlev, those beeps! i want it to stop
[07:55] <Xorlev> Turn off the buzzer in BIOS?
[07:55] <clarkstella> dreamie that's usually labled "system beep" in the bios setup screens
[07:56] <thoreauputic> dreamie: or maybe in a tty " setterm -blength 0 "
[07:57] <thoreauputic> ... or make it a different pitch with " setterm -bfreq 440 "  <---- how to use the beep to tune to "A"
[07:57] <thoreauputic> heh
[07:57] <bob2> TokenBad: oidentd is a nice one
[07:57] <CCFIEL> hello..pll..
[07:57] <Xorlev> Make it play Mary had a Little Lamb during Kernel boot o.o
[07:57] <bob2> TokenBad: bear in mind it will not be accessible to anyone on the internet if you're behind a NAT machine
[07:57] <Xorlev> Hello...CCFIEL.
[07:57] <CCFIEL> has somebody installed splashy in there ubunto?
[07:57] <thoreauputic> hah @ Xorlev
[07:57] <CCFIEL> hello xorlev..
[07:58] <dreamie> what do i do thoreauputic ?
[07:58] <omp342> just by mounting with CIFS i can write to an ntfs partition on another comp in the network :)
[07:58] <_setite> for the record im getting horrible/no signal on networks i know are available
[07:58] <_setite> im tryign to figure out why]
[07:58] <thoreauputic> dreamie: people have given you several answers - try them
[07:58] <_setite> i can get closer but i dont like this
[07:58] <BadaBing> hello guyz
[07:58] <vbgunz> heh... sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart didn't exact work at all...
[07:58] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, I had splashy but could not figure out how to get it to not fuck up my boot screen
[07:59] <Xorlev> vbgunz: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:59] <_setite> imma grab gtkwifi.. maybe ill have better luck
[07:59] <thoreauputic> Xorlev: sam thing really
[07:59] <thoreauputic> *same
[07:59] <dreamie> i dont want to hear mary had a little lamb in linux kernal
[07:59] <vbgunz> i type that into the console from Ctrl+Alt+1 correct?
[07:59] <Xorlev> I know...are you using Kubuntu then?
[07:59] <dreamie> sorry didnt think that was a real answer
[07:59] <_setite> is there a way to determine where an application will install to?
[08:00] <thoreauputic> dreamie: disable the beep in the BIOS, as people have suggested
[08:00] <intelikey> man apt-cache
[08:00] <CCFIEL> ironuckles: ic.. but you have installed it in your system?
[08:00] <Xorlev> dreamie: thoreauputic told you to enter setterm -blength 0 in a tty, mine was just an offtopic comment.
[08:00] <ironuckles> _setite, try locate <whatever> after install
[08:00] <dreamie> setterm -bfreq 440? how?
[08:00] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, no, i'm not using it now
[08:00] <CCFIEL> oh..ic..
[08:01] <omp342> yay im done downloading ubuntu
[08:01] <BadaBing> i am currently using Ubuntu on Centrino laptop 1.8ghz and runing kernel 2.6.10-5-386 will updating it to 686 give me any performance gains?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> dreamie: that just makes the beep tune to a frequency of 440 hz
[08:01] <CCFIEL> ironuckles: oh..ic..do you know any alternative of splashy?
[08:01] <vbgunz> that was the quickest reboot yet
[08:01] <Xorlev> CCFIEL: bootsplash
[08:01] <vbgunz> nice
[08:01] <thoreauputic> dreamie: and that's a literal command
[08:02] <omp342> to burn the iso, do i just do:  cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -v -eject -data ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso  ?
[08:02] <vbgunz> so cool... so basically is this the reason why Linux never shuts down or why it rarely needs to shut down?
[08:02] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, I have seen several tutorials for editing config files to create the same type of splash screen like in fedora core, but havent tried any
[08:02] <ironuckles> try googling it
[08:02] <Xorlev> I'm out, night
[08:02] <thoreauputic> dreamie: the problem with using setterm is it won't persist acrossreboots, hence the BIOS is a better way
[08:02] <vbgunz> Good night Xorlev!
[08:02] <vbgunz> THANKS!
[08:02] <Xorlev> np
[08:02] <clarkstella> the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LowEndSystemSupport are out of date.  can someone tell me how to install the current version of xfce with the current version of Synaptic?
[08:03] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: search for xfce4
[08:03] <clarkstella> it comes up with nothing
[08:03] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: you need the "4"
[08:03] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, if you get something to work let me know :-)
[08:03] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: it's in universe
[08:03] <clarkstella> i gave it the "4"
[08:03] <thoreauputic> !info xfce4
[08:03] <ubotu> xfce4: (The Xfce4 Desktop Environment), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[08:03] <BadaBing> anyone guyz?
[08:03] <clarkstella> "universe" isn't where the docs say it is.  i can't find it
[08:03] <CCFIEL> Xorlev: is there any backport for bootsplash?
[08:04] <CCFIEL> ironuckles: ok :)
[08:04] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: enable the universe repo in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:04] <de-almasy> hello ubuntu
[08:04] <de-almasy> why are you on #1 in distrowatch
[08:04] <vbgunz> hello
[08:04] <CCFIEL> Xorlev: is there any backport  or repo for bootsplash?
[08:04] <vbgunz> Ubuntu number 1?
[08:04] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: you just uncomment the lines - it's easy enough
[08:05] <clarkstella> yeah, but that involves edititng with root permissions, and i don't know how to do that
[08:05] <aftertaf> sudo
[08:05] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:05] <de-almasy> sudo nano makes good rhythm
[08:06] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: ctrl-x to save and exit (confirm changes with "y")
[08:06] <Madpilot> "sudo gedit <whatever>" if you want a GUI editor...
[08:06] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I think he's doing a minimal install ?
[08:06] <thoreauputic> so he may not have X
[08:06] <vbgunz> anyone here play doom 3 on linux? is it any good in comparison to Windows?
[08:07] <Madpilot> ah, sorry. the dangers of doing a drive-by posting while I'm actually doing other stuff...
[08:08] <aftertaf> lol Madpilot :)
[08:08] <poningru> oops sorry
[08:08] <CCFIEL> is there any backport  or repo for bootsplash?
[08:08] <clarkstella> oh hey.  i've never used nano before.  and it doesn't suck.
[08:08] <clarkstella> nice.
[08:08] <vbgunz> nano?
[08:09] <ironuckles> nano is a n00b editor ;-)
[08:09] <vbgunz> text editor like gedit?
[08:09] <thoreauputic> !ed
[08:09] <ubotu> ed is the standard editor! ed, man! man ed!
[08:09] <intelikey> jed is a windows convert editor...
[08:09] <clarkstella> but command line
[08:09] <ironuckles> vim all the way bitches
[08:09] <vbgunz> I love SciTE but haven't checked with the site to see any support for Linux though I think there is (I hope)
[08:09] <de-almasy> ed is editor for immortal
[08:10] <thoreauputic> !start an editor war
[08:10] <ubotu> joe is better than emacs
[08:10] <ironuckles> lol
[08:10] <vbgunz> notepad rules!
[08:10] <omp342> time to install ubuntu :)
[08:10] <omp342> brb guys
[08:10] <aftertaf> !vim
[08:10] <ubotu> aftertaf: Are you smoking crack?
[08:10] <de-almasy> joe is average, cant be better hehe
[08:10] <No1Viking> I would like to move the data I have in /home to another partition. Is it possible and how should I do it?
[08:10] <vbgunz> 8 bit edition rocks
[08:10] <omp342> i like nano
[08:10] <omp342> :P
[08:10] <aftertaf> ubotu, vim is like THE edior, the only one
[08:10] <ubotu> aftertaf: okay
[08:10] <clarkstella> speaking of sudo, can someone tell me how root is set up with the default  install?  it doesn't ask you what you want your root passwd to be, only to create a user account.  does it set the root and first user passwd to the same thing?
[08:10] <aftertaf> ubotu, vim is like THE editor, the only one
[08:10] <ubotu> ...but vim is already something else...
[08:11] <aftertaf> !forget vim
[08:11] <ubotu> aftertaf: i forgot vim
[08:11] <aftertaf> ubotu, vim is like THE editor, the only one
[08:11] <thoreauputic> !tell clarkstella about root
[08:11] <ironuckles> ubotu, what is vim?
[08:11] <ubotu> ironuckles: what are you talking about?
[08:11] <Madpilot> aftertaf: spamming the bot is a no-no... ;)
[08:11] <omp342> clarkstella: yes, in sudo you use your normal password
[08:11] <vbgunz> nano better than gedit?
[08:11] <Madpilot> !forget vim
[08:11] <aftertaf> not spamming, correcting my spelling mistakes
[08:11] <clarkstella> what if i want to log in as root?
[08:11] <brownie17> !vim
[08:11] <ubotu> No idea, brownie17
[08:11] <hyphenated> how about turning the bot into a zealot.. is that ok?
[08:11] <ironuckles> ubotu, is it ok to abuse irc bots?
[08:11] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, ironuckles
[08:11] <omp342> vbgunz: i usually use gedit
 clarkstella: yes, in sudo you use your normal password  <== kind of out of sense at first
[08:11] <thoreauputic> !botabuse
[08:11] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[08:11] <brownie17> !botabuse?
[08:11] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[08:11] <omp342> :P
[08:11] <intelikey> i desided that i was not gonig to like vi*  so to keep it from happening i always uninstall vi* when i first install a system.   :)
[08:12] <Madpilot> intelikey: :P
[08:12] <vbgunz> im using it because it's what came with Ubuntu otherwise SciTE is associated with any text file on Windows for me ;)
[08:12] <intelikey> :)
[08:12] <CCFIEL> hello...how can i do with this error?   splashy: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14 is to be installed
[08:12] <CCFIEL>            Depends: libdirectfb-0.9-22 but it is not installable
[08:12] <clarkstella> what if i want to log in as root?
[08:12] <Myrtti> !root
[08:12] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:12] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, did you install a non-ubuntu deb file recently...?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: your /etc/apt/sources.list is borked, I'd say
[08:13] <bimberi> clarkstella: you shouldn't need to
[08:13] <intelikey> clarkstella sudo su   and run passwd   then you can login as root if you want to.
[08:13] <animepunkw> anyone have an idea why i can't play mp3's in xmms i get an error "couldn't open audio, Please check that: Your soundcard is configured properly, You have the correct output plugin selected, No other program is blocking the soundcard" . i can actauly get xine to play mp3's or video's with sound . any idea's ?
[08:13] <brownie17> can anyone help me, when i start up, my comp keeps hangning on "*starting eneterpirse volume management group"
[08:13] <vbgunz> you can enable it though if you search on the forums... someone posted how to do it and got flamed on for it...
[08:13] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: for a root shell you can do sudo -i
[08:13] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: what do you mean by borked?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: wrong, broken
[08:14] <aftertaf> brownie17:  can you start in recovery mode?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: are you using 3rd party repositories?
[08:14] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, I had the same problem. Try editing your /etc/apt/source.list file and adding all the extra repos first.
[08:14] <brownie17> aftertaf: it starts allright, but it takes AGES!, sometimes it works fine though
[08:14] <CCFIEL> ironuckles: i think so...i just followed in the ubuntu forums how to install splashy... this is what i addeded.. deb http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main
[08:14] <aftertaf> ok. boot up fine, then disable the service... you dont need it
[08:14] <intelikey> brownie17 try adding "noevm" or what ever it is. to the command line at boot time.      press E  at the bootsplash.
[08:14] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: oh dear
[08:15] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, I had the same problem when i tried to remove splashy. it was a pain in the ass :-(
[08:15] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: don't use debian repos
[08:15] <aftertaf> brownie17:  when booted, install webmin and use it to disable service on boot
[08:15] <brownie17> intelikey: sounds dodgy, what does the enterprise volume managament gorup do any way?
[08:15] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: oh ic.. :( why i just followed what it says in the forum..
[08:15] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, avoid debian repositories like the plague.
[08:15] <vbgunz> anybody here officially installed Ubuntu onto a USB drive? I am trying to install Ubuntu onto my SONY NW-HD1 Walkman which has a small 20G hard drive... problems though... Anyone kind enough to have got it working and know of some docs I can overlook, it'll be much appreciated
[08:15] <CCFIEL> ironuckles: ic..so...what shall i do?
[08:15] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, I know. :-( I had to have someone on the forums, some admin help me out.
[08:15] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: comment that out  and do an apt-get update, then run apt-get -f install without arguments, and pray a lot
[08:16] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, I wish i had kept a record of all that i did to fix it...
[08:17] <vbgunz> brb... a chiken pot pie just exploded in the oven... if I aint back in 5 call the fire department
[08:17] <brownie17> aftertaf: there are like thrity different plgunis for different things in webmin, like cd burning, and apache control. but do i just need the standard?
[08:17] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: following advice on the forums is all very well, but remember that you need to understand what the instructions are doing to your system
[08:17] <brownie17> aftertaf: what does EVM do anyway??
[08:18] <Madpilot> brownie17: EVM mounts your system's partitions on boot, AFAIK
[08:18] <intelikey> brownie17 you are industrious enough to use google to findout what it is and what is does.  but it it is throwing the kernel into a load loop then disable it.
[08:18] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: i have just finished.. doing apt-get update and -f
[08:18] <CCFIEL> whats next?
[08:18] <CCFIEL> how would i know my system is ok?
[08:18] <vbgunz> what is the command to completely eradicate linux?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: did it finish without errors?
[08:19] <brownie17> intelikey: without mounting system artitinos, won't that also stop me from booting!?!?!?
[08:19] <vbgunz> I need to see again so to know to avoid it...
[08:19] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: no errors..:)
[08:19] <CCFIEL> does it mean im ok?
[08:19] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: probably :)
[08:19] <CCFIEL> hehehehe
[08:20] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: see if you can do normal installs now...
[08:20] <intelikey> brownie17 if it is load looping it is not loading anyway.  it is trying to load and trying to load and trying to load and trying to load and trying to load and trying to load and....
[08:20] <CCFIEL> this is what is says kelly@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo apt-get -f install
[08:20] <CCFIEL> Reading package lists... Done
[08:20] <CCFIEL> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:20] <CCFIEL> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[08:20] <CCFIEL> is that good?
[08:20] <vbgunz> Whats CC doing thoreauputic?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: silence is golden
[08:21] <vbgunz> ya
[08:21] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: trying to fix an error caused by a 3rd party repo
[08:21] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: what do you mean? its that good? :)
[08:21] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: I strongly suggest you ignore the howto you were following, BTW
[08:21] <vbgunz> oh thats all :|
[08:22] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: ok thanks..:D
[08:22] <intelikey> brownie17 i have to disable usb on this box because it load loops just like that.   after it has eaten up all the ram then it fails and errors out frees the ram it used up and continues with the boot process.
[08:22] <brownie17> intelikey: haha, so then if its not loaded right now, and my system is working fine, then why do i need it
[08:22] <CCFIEL> is there any ubuntu repo for splashy?:)
[08:22] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: if it didn't complain you are probably OK - just don't use non-ubuntu repos any more
[08:22] <intelikey> exactly brownie17
[08:22] <brownie17> intelikey: ok.
[08:22] <spafbnerf> hello :) i've grabbed a bunch of usenet postings using 'suck'.... i'd like to know wot app i can use to extract all the binaries out of these :)
[08:23] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: is there any ubuntu repo for splashy?
[08:23] <brownie17> intelikey: what is the command for webmin?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: maybe backports - but if you insist on using backports comment them out after you install your app
[08:23] <nalioth> CCFIEL: there will be
[08:24] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: you are just running risks because the versions are newer and can pull in dependencies that cause problems
[08:24] <intelikey> web<tab>  ?    btw brownie17 the reason mine load loops on usb is because it doesnt have any actual usb hardware.
[08:24] <aftertaf> brownie17:  open a browser and type https://localhost:10000
[08:24] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: do you know one that has a splashy? (backports?)
[08:24] <thoreauputic> !webmin
[08:24] <ubotu> To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password", or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebminWithoutARootAccount
[08:24] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: nope
[08:25] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: but you can serch the backports repos
[08:25] <CCFIEL> nalioth: there will be? so its not yet availble? :(
[08:25] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: where can i search? :)
[08:25] <brownie17> aftertaf; it is asking for a username and password, just my normal account ones?
[08:26] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: it's all about the eyecandy...
[08:26] <nalioth> CCFIEL: as thoreauputic says, you are at risk running the latest and greatest...
[08:26] <nalioth> CCFIEL: breezy is supposed to have it
[08:26] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: and that scrolling text on bootup or shutdown is *scary* stuff... :P
[08:26] <tga> hey, I'm having some trouble installing mplayer with all the libs
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: terrifying ;-)
[08:26] <intelikey> lol Madpilot
[08:26] <HermanDE> Anybody have a bet about the eta for an  RC of Breezy?
[08:26] <vbgunz> haha
[08:27] <Madpilot> HermanDE: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[08:27] <nalioth> CCFIEL: you see, in *nix, stable is thought nicer than "bling" (latest and greatest)
[08:27] <animepunkw> when i test the output/input sound from system > preferences > multimedia systems selector i get an error "Failed to construct test pipline for 'ESD-Enlightenment sound Deamonm" and i don't seem to be getting sound from anything but xine . can anyone help out a linux newb ?
[08:27] <HermanDE> Madpilot: Yep...  Seen it...  It feels like Breezy is going slow....
[08:27] <CCFIEL> thoreaputic: its important because im trying to convert my sister laptop with ubunto from xp...when she sees.....text pooping up in her screen...she will panic..
[08:28] <vbgunz> i believe you
[08:28] <spafbnerf> hello :) i've grabbed a bunch of usenet postings using 'suck'.... i'd like to know wot app i can use to extract all the binaries out of these :) help me, ubuntu usenet pirates ....
[08:28] <CCFIEL> so ...i decided to install slpashy..
[08:28] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+backports+&btnG=Search&meta=  <--first hit
[08:28] <brownie17> aftertaf; it is asking for a username and password, just my normal account ones?
[08:28] <tga> is there a mplayer guide? the marillat packages don't seem to like ubuntu
[08:28] <Madpilot> HermanDE: it's right on schedule, AFAIK...
[08:28] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: really, use google....
[08:28] <brownie17> aftertaf; it is asking for a username and password, just my normal account ones?
[08:28] <aftertaf> w000t
[08:28] <Madpilot> tga: mplayer is in ubuntu's repos, no need for outside repos...
[08:29] <brownie17> aftertaf: w000t?
[08:29] <nalioth> spafbnerf: first thing, use "pan" newsreader and then you wont be in here asking these questions
[08:29] <aftertaf> :D
[08:29] <aftertaf> brownie17:  root
[08:29] <tga> Madpilot, what about the codecs?
[08:29] <brownie17> aftertaf: i don't actually know my root password, i don't think
[08:29] <tga> Madpilot, like libavcodec
[08:30] <jinx``> http://www.phpfi.com/77256
[08:30] <aftertaf> brownie17:  root disabled? ok...
[08:30] <jinx``> please help with proftpd mod_tls
[08:30] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/  <<----- packages
[08:30] <bob2> jinx``: pick one channel
[08:30] <brownie17> aftertaf: i don't know if i disabled root, but ?!?!? how can i work out the password
[08:30] <vbgunz> brownie root is disabled... you log in with sudo and it uses the same password as you current account
[08:30] <Cashel> brownie17, your root passwords going to be the same as the first user you created by default.. there being no root account until you do sudo passwd root
[08:31] <bob2> brownie17: wiki.ubuntu/RootSudo
[08:31] <aftertaf> vbgunz:  but for webmin??
[08:31] <vbgunz> you dont log in the interface... in the terminal
[08:31] <Madpilot> tga: no idea, totem runs everything I need to watch, so far!
[08:31] <bob2> brownie17: the installer explained this...
[08:31] <Madpilot> tga: do you have the universe/mulitiverse repos enabled?
[08:31] <vbgunz> not sure, sorry just picked up a piece
[08:31] <brownie17> bob2: i wasn't listening :)
[08:31] <aftertaf> hehe
[08:31] <tga> Madpilot, I do, but I just ran into a VCD I can't play
[08:31] <aftertaf> anyone know if you can use webmin without having to define a root password?
[08:31] <brownie17> aftertaf: so the username should be root, and password my password?
[08:31] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: splashy is in that backport?
[08:31] <tga> Madpilot, mplayer claims it's encrypted, even though I have libdvdcss installed
[08:32] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: I'm not omniscient - go and look!
[08:32] <aftertaf> brownie17:  nope... user root / password the pass you give root.
[08:32] <brownie17> aftertaf: now it says i can't do it becasue i failed the password too many times
[08:32] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: heheheh ok..:)
[08:32] <aftertaf> s'ok...
[08:32] <Madpilot> !tell brownie17 about root
[08:32] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: look under hoary and see if you can find it there
[08:33] <TokenBad> in ubuntu to telnet..its just at terminal : telnet ip?
[08:33] <intelikey> the installer does not "disable root" it just doesn't set a root passwd by default.  a server install does set the root passwd and therefore you are able to login as root if you use the minimal install.....
[08:33] <bob2> TokenBad: why do you want to use telnet?
[08:33] <Cashel> TokenBad, yea
[08:33] <nalioth> TokenBad: telnet?
[08:33] <dreamie> ok guys
[08:33] <TokenBad> a friend wants me to try to telnet into him..so figured would try
[08:33] <TokenBad> why..is it bad to do?
[08:33] <dreamie> when i disabled sound in bios then it wouldnt boot
[08:33] <nalioth> Cashel: it is inherently insecure
[08:33] <bob2> telnet sends everything in clear text
[08:34] <dreamie> i think the problem may be the sound card
[08:34] <bob2> so anyone in between can pick up your password
[08:34] <nalioth> TokenBad: it is easily snooped upon
[08:34] <Cashel> yeah..
[08:34] <bob2> this is why everyone has used ssh for 5 years
[08:34] <dreamie> maybe its looking for the sound card and its not finding it
[08:34] <nalioth> TokenBad: Cashel use ssh
[08:34] <Cashel> I'm not using either...
[08:34] <intelikey> TokenBad if your data is not privet telnet is fine.
[08:34] <bob2> dreamie: dmesg would tell you one way or the other
[08:34] <Cashel> just wondered, hehe...
[08:34] <brownie17> aftertaf; i added a root account
[08:34] <TokenBad> ok...
[08:34] <dreamie> well i posted it
[08:34] <TokenBad> what is port 135
[08:35] <bob2> TokenBad: look in /etc/services
[08:35] <TokenBad> cause thats what he wanted me to telnet to
[08:35] <brownie17> aftertaf: its syaing i put in the wrong password too many times allready and acces is denied, will i have to re-install?
[08:35] <intelikey> TokenBad "man telnet"
[08:35] <Joe_Powerbook> hello... is there a concise guide for setting up a PowerPC machine (specificall an Apple Powerbook) to dual boot OSX and Ubuntu?
[08:35] <TokenBad> he said it was dcon
[08:35] <nalioth> TokenBad: visit grc.com and you'll learn a lot about network stuff
[08:35] <bob2> Joe_Powerbook: the installer doesn't do it by default?
[08:35] <bob2> grc.com seems to be a terrible site for learning about networks
[08:35] <nalioth> bob2: he wants to know about partitioning and such
[08:35] <aftertaf> brownie17:  nope... but you are temporarily locked out.
[08:36] <bob2> assuming that's where people keep hearing the phrase "stealthed ports" from
[08:36] <intelikey> brownie17 no it should be a timed "dos"  probably 5 minutes
[08:36] <nalioth> bob2: grc.com will show you how open your windows box is
[08:36] <brownie17> aftertaf: darn it, how long is temporarily!?!?!?
[08:36] <bob2> that gibson idiot needs a kick in the head
[08:36] <Joe_Powerbook> bob2: don't you need free space to start with?
[08:36] <brownie17> intelikey: ok
[08:36] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: please. if you use backports, remember my advice to comment the line out after getting what you need
[08:36] <bob2> Joe_Powerbook: right
[08:36] <cafuego> brownie17: You could ctrl-alt-del if you don't want to wait.
[08:36] <nalioth> Joe_Powerbook: have you been to the wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation  ?
[08:36] <Joe_Powerbook> so which do you install first?
[08:36] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: and rerun apt-get update
[08:36] <cafuego> Joe_Powerbook: the chicken. then the egg.
[08:36] <bob2> Joe_Powerbook: mac os X
[08:36] <brownie17> cafuego: what dos pressing control alt delete do in ubuntu?
[08:37] <brownie17> cafuego, you meant ctrl alt backspace?
[08:37] <cafuego> brownie17: reboots (if you're at the console)
[08:37] <intelikey> you could [alt] +[print screen] +B   but i don't advise it.....
[08:37] <tga> did anyone manage to install libavcodec for mplayer recently?
[08:37] <cafuego> brownie17: ctrl-alt-backspace just respawns GDM, that's useless.
[08:37] <spafbnerf> nalioth, i lookd @ pan, & it doesn't allow reading of folders, it expects to d/l evrything from the newsgroup itself.....
[08:37] <brownie17> i think ill just wait 5 then if it still doesnt work, ill reboot
[08:37] <vbgunz> a question just popped into my head... Is Ubuntu like training wheels to Debian?
[08:38] <cafuego> Hahaha!
[08:38] <intelikey> lol
[08:38] <spafbnerf> also it's not what i'm looking for since i want something to extract all the binaries out of the posts 4 me....
[08:38] <Cashel> vbgunz, maybe just a little :)
[08:38] <nalioth> spafbnerf: if you use pan to d/l them in the first place, .. .. ..
[08:39] <nalioth> spafbnerf: look on the web for yenc decoder
[08:39] <animepunkw> how do i check to see if my soundcard is confifured ?
[08:39] <animepunkw> confirgured .lol
[08:39] <animepunkw> i am way to tired for this lol
[08:39] <intelikey> animepunkw alsamixer
[08:40] <cafuego> 'lol' is not punctuation.
[08:40] <animepunkw> intelikey alsamixer ?
 how do i check to see if my soundcard is confifured ?   <intelikey> animepunkw alsamixer
[08:41] <thoreauputic> -------> more coffee
[08:41] <intelikey> animepunkw use   M   to unmute it.
[08:41] <brownie17> aftertaf: it won't let me in with username:root and password:what i set in terminal. what dp i do?
[08:41] <spafbnerf> but wot abt the one'z encoded base64? ;D
[08:41] <cafuego> thoreauputic: excrement idea
[08:42] <Cashel> anyone have bad things to say about BUM?
[08:42] <spafbnerf> fortunately it seems therz only onev those, so i shall try and run yenc thru the lot.....
[08:43] <thoreauputic> cafuego: heh maybe I should have put thoreauputic << coffee ;)
[08:44] <tga> how can I get totem to play a mpg?
[08:44] <animepunkw> intelikey ok thanks i'll try alsamixer
[08:44] <brownie17> aftertaf: it won't let me in with username:root and password:what i set in terminal. what dp i do?
[08:44] <spafbnerf> yay yenc works good :)
[08:44] <spafbnerf> kbye
[08:44] <tga> and even better, what tool can I use to see what kind of movie this is and what I need to play it
[08:44] <Cashel> !tell tga about restrictedformats
[08:45] <tga> thanks Cashel
[08:45] <SuperQ> heh
[08:45] <Cashel> tga, i'd install the xine and xine-ui package
[08:45] <SuperQ> bots++
[08:45] <Cashel> mplayer is loopy w/ sound...
[08:45] <de-almasy> !tell de-almasy about ubuntu
[08:45] <cafuego> thoreauputic: where's mine? short black please
[08:46] <de-almasy> !awards
[08:46] <ubotu> I guess awards is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks
[08:46] <aftertaf> brownie17:  have you tested your root access in terminal?
[08:46] <brownie17> aftertaf: no
[08:46] <omp342> ubuntu is installed :)
[08:46] <brownie17> aftertaf: ??
[08:46] <aftertaf> omp342:  yeah!!!
[08:46] <nalioth> thoreauputic better be bringing back a big drink order
[08:46] <bimberi> thoreauputic: yes please :)
[08:47] <aftertaf> anyone got a quick fix on stopping a service from starting on boot? rm /etc/init.d/[service]  ??
[08:47] <Myrtti> hmmm
[08:47] <thoreauputic> nalioth: what's yours today, Sir? ;)
[08:47] <brownie17> aftertaf: it works in terminal
[08:47] <intelikey> you guys are just having so much fun.    you have almost temped me to install ubuntu.....
[08:47] <aftertaf> ok brownie17
[08:47] <aftertaf> cool.
[08:47] <Myrtti> the fabric store should be open by now, so I'll go to finish my new woollen purse
[08:47] <aftertaf> intelikey:  do it :D
[08:47] <nalioth> thoreauputic: lotta latte
[08:47] <Myrtti> needs silk lining...
[08:47] <tga> Cashel, thing is I ran into a VCD I can't play, so now I'm looking for what I could be missing
[08:47] <thoreauputic> nalioth: I fear the milk supplier has failed in his duty, Sir
[08:47] <Myrtti> intelikey: do it. Even chicks dig it.
[08:47] <intelikey> but aftertaf everything on this system works.....
[08:47] <aftertaf> brownie17:  so, close and restart browser and try again once...
[08:48] <Myrtti> including me
[08:48] <Myrtti> though one might think that I'm not chick per se
[08:48] <aftertaf> intelikey:  define "this"... :D
[08:48] <nalioth> thoreauputic: no neighbors cows or goats around?
[08:48] <omp342> what's the command to make the computer stop making noises when it can't do an action (like when i press backspace in terminal and there is nothign to erase)? :)
[08:48] <Myrtti> nerdiness comes sometimes before feminity
[08:48] <aftertaf> brownie17:  pm?
[08:48] <intelikey> lol  no no.   i don't troll aftertaf
[08:48] <thoreauputic> nalioth: sure, the neighbours are all goats ;-)
[08:48] <delmonico> hi :) what package is responsible for automatic mounting of mass storage devides?
[08:49] <delmonico> devices*
[08:49] <brownie17> aftertaf: pm?
[08:49] <cafuego> Myrtti: much like sometimes comes the verb before the subject? ;-)
[08:49] <bob2> delmonico: lots of them
[08:49] <aftertaf> omp342:  sudo sh smash_to_bits_with_hammer.sh ?
[08:49] <nalioth> thoreauputic: i dont want any milk from the goats with one teat, please
[08:49] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: quote of the day :)
[08:49] <bob2> delmonico: the kernel tells hotplug who tells udev who tells hal who tells gnome-volume-manager who mounts it
[08:49] <omp342> aftertaf: :/
[08:49] <cafuego> !qots is <reply> <Myrtti> nerdiness comes sometimes before feminity
[08:49] <ubotu> cafuego: okay
[08:49] <delmonico>   bob2: thanks. whats the kde equivalent to gnome-volume-manager?
[08:49] <cafuego> !qotd is <reply> <Myrtti> nerdiness comes sometimes before feminity
[08:49] <ubotu> okay, cafuego
[08:49] <thoreauputic> nalioth: your order is being filled - please take a ticket and wait in the antechamber ;-)
[08:49] <brownie17> aftertaf, no luck    ( "root" "<predefined - double checked>")
[08:50] <odat> hello everyone
[08:50] <tga> what tool can I use to identify the codecs used in a mpeg file?
[08:50] <jamey3> hiya
[08:50] <bob2> delmonico: #kubuntu
[08:50] <odat> anyone have any luck with totem and gstreamer?
[08:50] <bob2> tga: codecs? mpeg is a (set of) codec(S)
[08:50] <Cashel> odat, totem-xine and gstreamer, yes
[08:51] <jamey3> does anyone know how I can setup uPNP on Ubuntu?
[08:51] <bob2> to do what?
[08:51] <vbgunz> I like Ubuntu too Vs SUSE and Knoppix... I think it is Gnome that I like and the idea that it is very to the point... (not over flooded with junk and more of the same)...
[08:51] <Cashel> dvd / divx here...
[08:51] <jamey3> so that I can setup port forwarding automatically
[08:51] <delmonico> bob2: okay thank you
[08:52] <bob2> jamey3: you need to be more specific
[08:52] <vbgunz> you know the unofficial backports is just one of the things I am not comfortable with yet
[08:52] <bob2> do you mean "I have an ubuntu machine running as a firewall, and I'd like it to handle incoming upnp requests"?
[08:52] <vbgunz> brb... setting a dual XP pro box.. brb
[08:52] <tga> bob2, I ran into some VCDs that look all garbled when I try to play them.. how can I find out what I'm missing?
[08:52] <jamey3> well, when an application requires a port to be opened it automatically communicates with the router and opens the required port. That's what uPNP does.
[08:53] <bob2> yes, indeed
[08:53] <bob2> and various applicatios in ubuntu can do that
[08:53] <bob2> so what do you mean by "setup"?
[08:53] <jamey3> really?
[08:53] <jamey3> well, make it happen
[08:53] <jamey3> none of them seem to be doing it, for a start
[08:53] <intelikey> would someone do a "apt-cache search XFree86-3.6" for me and see if there is any chance of me running a gui in ub  ?
[08:53] <bob2> bittornado is the only one I know of
[08:53] <bob2> what applications do you think should be doing it?
[08:53] <Cashel> tga" you might wanna take a loog at this page... http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-11998.html
[08:53] <thoreauputic> omp342: xset b off
[08:53] <bob2> intelikey: that's not in ubuntu
[08:54] <jamey3> well I want it for everything, basically
[08:54] <Myrtti> cafuego: 1) native language English is not for me 2) wise man he is, Yoda
[08:54] <bob2> jamey3: for example?
[08:54] <jamey3> and also an interface or CLI tool to do it
[08:54] <jamey3> Apache!
[08:54] <bob2> jamey3: e.g., firefox has no need for it
[08:54] <thoreauputic> omp342: or in tty, setterm -blength 0
[08:54] <bob2> jamey3: apache has no need for it
[08:54] <Myrtti> cafuego: ;-)
[08:54] <jamey3> yes of course
[08:54] <bob2> if you want port 80 forwarded in, configure it on your router
[08:54] <bob2> that's not apache's problem
[08:54] <intelikey> bob2 no xfree in ub ?   or no xfree 3.6 ?
[08:54] <jamey3> well what happens if you're on an internal network and need to forward traffic from the external IP?
[08:54] <jamey3> yeah exactly
[08:54] <bob2> intelikey: no xfree86 3
[08:54] <animepunkw> whats apt-get -f install , do ?
[08:54] <cafuego> Myrtti: Yoda sometimes wise he is, but also english he is not ;-)
[08:54] <intelikey> ty
[08:54] <bob2> animepunkw: not much; it tries to fix broken dependencies
[08:54] <jamey3> bob2, that's my point
[08:55] <jamey3> I don't want to go into the router
[08:55] <animepunkw> ah thanks bob2
[08:55] <bob2> jamey3: no, apache does not do that, and I hope it never does
[08:55] <Myrtti> cafuego: me neither. Though I've studied English since the age of nine.
[08:55] <nalioth> animepunkw: fixes problematic pkgs
[08:55] <jamey3> obviously, that'd be a slight security hole
[08:55] <thoreauputic> animepunkw: tries to sort out the mess you made of the apt system ;)
[08:55] <bob2> you're welcome to file an "enhancement" sevrity bug
[08:55] <jamey3> I'm talking about a package ffs
[08:55] <bob2> haha "slight"
[08:55] <jamey3> lol
[08:55] <jamey3> that mimicks uPNP
[08:55] <jamey3> and has a GUI or CLI app that can open ports via uPNP
[08:55] <jamey3> is that too much to ask?!
[08:56] <cafuego> Cashel: ouch
[08:56] <animepunkw> haha well i'm sure i'm making a mess of things going
[08:56] <cafuego> ooh, oven goes bing, cake is done.
[08:56] <bob2> jamey3: there doesn't appear to be one in ubuntu
[08:56] <odat> anyone able to help with totem and gstreamer?
[08:56] <bob2> jamey3: you're welcome to package one if it exists and upload it
[08:56] <jamey3> okay great if I find something can you help me
[08:57] <jamey3> I'm not exactly an expert...
[08:57] <animepunkw> ok that last sence didn't make any sense . i'm goign to sleep . night all
[08:57] <intelikey> Cashel "ps ax" and "kill -9 <pid>" for what is frozen.
[08:57] <bob2> upnp is just asking for trouble, tho
[08:57] <intelikey> or reboot.
[08:57] <jamey3> bob2, not really in my experience
[08:57] <jamey3> only if you're on a network with uneducated people
[08:57] <bob2> jamey3: letting compromised windows machines forward ports to themselves sounds bad
[08:58] <jamey3> lmao
[08:58] <jamey3> yeah, that's probably how some people see it
[08:58] <jamey3> I want IPv6
[08:58] <bob2> in the rare cases I want ports forwarded, I just modify my shorewall rules
[08:58] <setite> omfg ndiswrapper doesnt support scanning!!!
[08:58] <bob2> shock
[08:58] <bob2> horror
[08:59] <setite> well yea.. all that for near nothing
[08:59] <odat> ?
[08:59] <bob2> I would have thought throwing windows drivers into the linux kernel would work flawlessly
[08:59] <cafuego> jamey3: install freenet6, enjoy ipv6.
[08:59] <thoreauputic> hah
[08:59] <setite> yea i would have thought they would have worked that out by now
[08:59] <jamey3> cafuego, neither my ISP, router or some of the NICs support IPv6
[08:59] <cafuego> setite: the NDIS in ndiswrapper pertains to NETWORK drivers.
[08:59] <cafuego> jamey3: That is not relevant.
[09:00] <bob2> how can a NIC not support ipv6?
[09:00] <cafuego> jamey3: You can start an ipv6 tunnel on your Linux box.
[09:00] <bob2> cafuego: who do you get ipv6 connectivity through, nowadays?
[09:00] <cafuego> bob2: I don't have it enabled anymore, makes firefox too slow ;-)
[09:00] <bob2> heh
[09:00] <jamey3> bob2, don't ask this NIC is the biggest POS in the world
[09:00] <jamey3> okay, what about this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-igd
[09:00] <cafuego> bob2: The last tunnel i had was via westnet or soemthing... mob in WA anyways.
[09:01] <jamey3> cafuego, fun but does that actually offer anything apart from the fact I can say that I now have an IPv6 tunnel?
[09:01] <cafuego> jamey3: You can access any ipv6 sites via that tunnel.
[09:01] <jamey3> cool
[09:02] <jamey3> that's *loads* :-)
[09:02] <setite> well bob2 and durt...thanks for your help.. but sadly i must go back to windoze
[09:02] <cafuego> jamey3: and you'll have a /64 or /48 subnet to play with.
[09:03] <bob2> it's too late to exchange the card?
[09:03] <p00f> i dont understand why, it is just the way I feel when you rape me with that big red fire extigisher....
[09:03] <setite> its a built-in
[09:03] <p00f> Oppps, soory wrong window :(
[09:03] <bob2> or the laptop?
[09:03] <cafuego> thoreauputic: put that poor cat down!
[09:03] <setite> too late to exchange laptop.. not that i want to
[09:03] <thoreauputic> cafuego: hahah
[09:03] <thoreauputic> cafuego: s/violin/flute
[09:03] <thoreauputic> ;)
[09:03] <cafuego> thoreauputic: how was band camp?
[09:04] <jamey3> cafuego, I understand what that means (sort of) but not quite sure what I could do with them...
[09:04] <cafuego> jamey3: "play"
[09:04] <thoreauputic> cafuego: it was... camp
[09:05] <jamey3> cafuego, brill :-P
[09:06] <ar_media> is there anyone here?
[09:06] <omp342> me
[09:07] <intelikey>  /user
[09:07] <ar_media> kool, would you happen to know if there is a way to check disk usage from the command line?
[09:07] <drrakn> is there anything helpful that I can do if I get a kernel panic during install?
[09:07] <intelikey>  du
[09:07] <intelikey> man du
[09:07] <Madpilot> ar_media: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands
[09:07] <odat> anyone able to help with totem?
[09:07] <omp342> how can i find out my kernel version? :P
[09:07] <ar_media> Danke intelikey  and Madpilot
[09:07] <thoreauputic> ar_media: df -h is another
[09:08] <intelikey> uname -a
[09:08] <intelikey> uname -v
[09:08] <ar_media> lol, all of those?
[09:08] <deFrysk> uname -r
[09:08] <drrakn> (during phase 2 of breezy colony 4 install)
[09:08] <deFrysk> ar_media, the last
[09:08] <omp342> i use df -h
[09:08] <thoreauputic> ar_media: they do different things
[09:08] <intelikey> yeah s/-v/-r/   sorry
[09:08] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to use qtparted
[09:08] <thoreauputic> omp342: did you see my answer for silencing beeps?
[09:08] <Madpilot> intelikey: AFAIK "uname -a" is "uname with all of the above"
[09:09] <intelikey> df does not really help much with disk usage   du
[09:09] <setite> is there a chance xandros or linspire work properly?
[09:09] <omp342> thoreauputic: i already figured it out
[09:09] <omp342> thoreauputic: thanks anyways
[09:09] <thoreauputic> omp342: OK
[09:09] <omp342> thoreauputic: i just disabled the system bell from sound preferences
[09:09] <ar_media> ok du basically listed my entire drive...
[09:10] <thoreauputic> omp342: yeah, that works too
[09:10] <intelikey> Madpilot yes -a = --all  for uname
[09:10] <drrakn> ar_media: if you just care about how much free space you have, "df" should do the trick
[09:10] <aftertaf> quick qu.... what is the diff between the /etc/rc1-6.d & the rcS.d dir ??
[09:10] <Madpilot> ar_media: Ctrl+C interupts all that scrolling madness
[09:10] <thoreauputic> ar_media: df -h gives you "disk free" info in "human readable" form
[09:10] <ar_media> lol, i know how to break. :-D
[09:11] <intelikey> most humans can read "df" output  :)
[09:11] <ar_media> thanks tho
[09:11] <ar_media> ok, let's not have a symantics debate
[09:11] <omp342> does the default hoary kernel = 2.6.10?
[09:11] <thoreauputic> intelikey: define "humans" (or do you mean geeks == humans) *grin*
[09:12] <intelikey> well i never.
[09:12] <Madpilot> hmm... "5036284"  vs "4.9G" - I know which I'd rather read... ;)
[09:12] <aftertaf> guys,  what is the diff between the /etc/rc1-6.d & the rcS.d dir ?? rcS.d is where the stop scripts are called from?
[09:12] <bimberi> omp342: yes
[09:12] <ar_media> i'm liking Ubuntu is pretty kool i like it.  but i really like Fedora too...  I miss yum, i don't think apt-get is as good.
[09:12] <omp342> bimberi: thanks :)
[09:12] <tga> meh, evolution is unusable
[09:12] <bimberi> omp342: yw :)
[09:12] <tga> evo-data-server jumps to 100% cpu and hangs
[09:13] <thoreauputic> ar_media: if you think yum is better than apt, you have much to learn, Grasshopper
[09:13] <bob2> ar_media: in what way?
[09:13] <thoreauputic> ar_media: :)
[09:13] <ar_media> ok, well yum is pretty intuitive
[09:13] <deFrysk> yum vs apt , cannot be the speed of yum ?
[09:13] <ar_media> if you wanna seach you search
[09:13] <bob2> ar_media: apt-cache search blah
[09:13] <bob2> ar_media: how is that unintuitive?
[09:14] <drrakn> thoreauputic: the diff-downloading of new package lists is pretty sweet in yum
[09:14] <intelikey> thoreauputic opinions are not wrong just because they conflict with yours
[09:14] <ar_media> ahA!
[09:14] <ar_media> ok, well how about this
[09:14] <bob2> ar_media: bear in mind apt-get and apt-cache are not meant for end users
[09:14] <deFrysk> yum is the slowest tool ever made
[09:14] <ar_media> all the damn commands are yum command
[09:14] <thoreauputic> intelikey: umm... did you have a humour transplant recently?
[09:14] <bob2> ar_media: aptitude/synaptic are the higher level tools you should use
[09:14] <ar_media> not apt-get and apt-cache and blah and whatever
[09:14] <ar_media> i'm not into gui, i'd rather learn the command line
[09:14] <bob2> ar_media: use aptitude then.  aptitute search blah, aptitude install blah.
[09:14] <ar_media> i'm not into crutches
[09:14] <thoreauputic> intelikey: chill
[09:15] <bob2> ar_media: er, aptitude is a command line tool
[09:15] <intelikey> no just a labotamy  does that count.
[09:15] <thoreauputic> intelikey: :)
[09:15] <intelikey> :)
[09:15] <ar_media> I was talking about synaptic, i didn't see aptitude
[09:15] <deFrysk> ar_media, need to do some catching up
[09:15] <bob2> ar_media: yes, synaptic is a gui tool
[09:16] <bob2> ar_media: aptitude is what you should be using on the command line
[09:16] <odat> anyone have a working totem player?
[09:16] <bob2> odat: lots of people do
[09:16] <ar_media> cut me some slack, i've been on linux for line 9 days
[09:16] <bob2> odat: if yours doesn't, it's probably easier to give up and use mplayer or xine
[09:16] <ar_media> like*
[09:16] <bob2> ar_media: I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just clarifying
[09:16] <intelikey> imo aptitude was some crack heads attempt to code....   and that is no dispersion on apt...
[09:16] <odat> geez bob2
[09:17] <bob2> intelikey: how so?
[09:17] <bob2> odat: eh?  it's what I did...
[09:17] <CaiN_SA> breazy is da bomb
[09:17] <bob2> it's a lot less screwing around, and lets you play whatever you want right now, not after some indeterminate amount of fiddling
[09:17] <ar_media> i've tried xmms... that doesn't seem to work all the time for me...  I like VLC
[09:18] <bob2> xmms isn't the same sort of program as totem
[09:18] <Cashel> VLC?
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> vlc for what ?
[09:18] <ar_media> but my buddy says VLC keeps crashing.
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> mp3 ?
[09:18] <ar_media> for everything.
[09:18] <odat> hmmm do i need to totally disable all of the gstreamer stuff then
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> lol
[09:18] <bob2> odat: no
[09:18] <odat> or just use totem for xine?
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> no
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> nsies
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> xmms will work
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> just set it to use esound output pluging
[09:19] <bob2> xmms is a music player, totem is a video player
[09:19] <Cashel> odat, I like xine-ui myself .. its small enough that since you'll be downloading the xine libs anyways may as well check it out..
[09:19] <odat> apparently there is some totem plugin that firefox is trying to use instead of just letting me pick totem as the player it is trying to open it in the page
[09:19] <odat> anyone know what plugin that is?
[09:19] <setite> ok bye guys... you may see me int he future if i can find a cheap usb wifi adaptor that doesnt cost a piece of my sould to install
[09:19] <bob2> setite: netgear ma-111
[09:20] <setite> ill look into it... thanks
[09:20] <ar_media> i'd like to use rhythmbox cause it's got the whole itunes thing going with the music database... but it says it can't run MP3
[09:20] <ar_media> or anything for that matter.
[09:20] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:20] <Myrtti> indeed
[09:21] <Myrtti> go bob2
[09:21] <bob2> this is also linekd from the FAQ (which is in the /topic)
[09:21] <ar_media> eh, i have to read a bunch of garbage.. i hate that. LOL
[09:21] <ar_media> it's so slow
[09:21] <Myrtti> -.-
[09:21] <dazvid> whats IRC then?
[09:21] <Hoxzer> so nobody can help me with qparted?
[09:21] <dazvid> if its not reading
[09:21] <dazvid> :P
[09:21] <ar_media> it's a little different
[09:21] <spiral> hi
[09:21] <Hoxzer> have to do everything alone :E
[09:21] <bob2> Hoxzer: I don't see where you asked a specific question about qparted.
[09:22] <bob2> asking for someone to walk you through using it seems a bit silly
[09:22] <bob2> since presumably you can sort most of it out yourself
[09:22] <_mindspin> can anybody tell me how to map a samba share at bootup? neither etc/fstab nor /samba/smbfstab, nor adding a script to init.somewhere helped
[09:22] <ar_media> when i ask a question no one answers with "While Ubuntu is very user friendly, we should go over the command line tools that linux has to offer....  blah blah blah"
[09:22] <odat> is it possible to have too many gstreamer plugins installed?
[09:22] <CaiN_SA> i dont think so
[09:22] <aftertaf> anyone give me a quick explanation of rcS.d???
[09:22] <dreamie> how can you check the resources the puter is using
[09:22] <CaiN_SA> exept if maby you have to many duplicates
[09:23] <aftertaf> is it the shutdown script symmlinks?
[09:23] <drrakn> aftertaf: IIRC, it runs for *all* run levels
[09:23] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, nope
[09:23] <CaiN_SA> wait ill explain
[09:23] <aftertaf> oki drrakn
[09:23] <aftertaf> thx CaiN_SA
[09:23] <Hoxzer> bob2: I'm just goinging to use ubuntu live CD to part my HDA1 so I can keep both linux and windows in it
[09:23] <CaiN_SA> rcS.d is the scipts that is always ran at startup
[09:23] <bob2> Hoxzer: why? the installer lets you do that
[09:23] <CaiN_SA> even if you use runlevel 3 or 5 or 2 or whatever
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> thinks like filesystem scan
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> mounts
[09:24] <Myrtti> _mindspin: sudo nano /etc/fstab: //computer/share /media/samba smbfs user,ro,exec,userid=user,passwd=passwd 0 0
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> etc etc
[09:24] <bob2> you know that run levels 2, 3 and 5 are identical, right?
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> are done in there
[09:24] <Hoxzer> bob2: does it let me save my current install of   windows?
[09:24] <Myrtti> _mindspin: ?
[09:24] <Hoxzer> I dont want to destroy it
[09:24] <bob2> Hoxzer: yes...
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> understand aftertaf  ?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> ar_media: well, IRC is like that sometimes,, ask a question and get a command without an explanatory discourse ;)
[09:24] <Hoxzer> bob2: are you sure?
[09:24] <_mindspin> Myrtti: thats exactly the entry
[09:24] <aftertaf> yep!
[09:24] <Cashel> aftertaf, the S is the runlevel .. chosen in /etc/inittab .. the files inside are just links to /etc/init.d ... its the linux version of autoexec.bat :P
[09:24] <odat> cain_sa: like if i have too many plugins that handle the same type of file?
[09:24] <aftertaf> thx CaiN_SA :)
[09:24] <bob2> ar_media: I'm not sure I understand your rant
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> odat, ya maby that can make problems
[09:24] <_mindspin> I had, beside of my settings inserted
[09:24] <ar_media> thoreauputic,  that's better, i can figure it out from there.
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, mp :)
[09:24] <dazvid> He is ranting about having to read online guides bob2
[09:25] <Myrtti> _mindspin: does the samba share have username and password set or does it allow guest login?
[09:25] <Hoxzer> bob2: how do I change between ubuntu and windows XP then?
[09:25] <erkanisik> herkese selam
[09:25] <_mindspin> username and pass
[09:25] <bob2> Hoxzer: you reboot and select one or the other at the grub screen
[09:25] <Hoxzer> ok...
[09:25] <erkanisik> trke bilen varm
[09:25] <_mindspin> it works "by hand" after bootup
[09:25] <Myrtti> _mindspin: you do have smbfs installed, don't you
[09:25] <ar_media> bob2, it's not important
[09:25] <_mindspin> I have
[09:25] <Myrtti> strange
[09:25] <bob2> erkanisik: clearly no one else is speaking Turkish
[09:25] <bob2> erkanisik: /j #ubuntu-tr
[09:25] <Hoxzer> so I just put my ubuntu install CD in and install it and it will ask do I want to save my windows XP install?
[09:26] <erkanisik> :) ok
[09:26] <bob2> Hoxzer: nope
[09:26] <Hoxzer> :D
[09:26] <bob2> Hoxzer: it will let you resize it
[09:26] <Hoxzer> ok....
[09:26] <ar_media> ok, i have one more question that then i'll leave and you can laugh at my noob-ness, how the hell do i get gDesklets to load when i log in?
[09:26] <_mindspin> It would be good enough if the script is executed at login
[09:26] <Hoxzer> if I install 64bit ubuntu can I still run 32 bit programs in it?
[09:26] <Myrtti> ar_media: System - preferences - sessions
[09:26] <_mindspin> but that would be just a workaround
[09:26] <Myrtti> ar_media: startup programs
[09:26] <ar_media> ahhhh, thank you Myrtti
[09:26] <Cashel> Hoxzer, it automaticaly saves it so long as you dont choose to format it..
[09:26] <bob2> Hoxzer: not in general
[09:26] <nalioth> the option to resize is missing in the ppc install disks.. ..
[09:27] <bob2> Hoxzer: do you care about any binary-only programs?
[09:27] <ar_media> ok, i'm out of here.  later all.
[09:27] <Hoxzer> bob2: no realy
[09:27] <Hoxzer> really
[09:27] <cafuego> Are any of you aware of a library or command line tool that can edit/modify MS Office files?
[09:28] <brownie17> cafuego: i dont think that's possible is it?
[09:28] <Hoxzer> Bob2: so 32 bit programs will not work in 64 bit ubuntu?;/
[09:28] <cafuego> brownie17: Well, OOo can open and edit them...
[09:28] <bob2> Hoxzer: depends what you mean
[09:28] <Cashel> hmmm anyone know a way for me to reserve X amount of bandwith for a particular app?? I lag like all hell when synaptics downloading...
[09:28] <cafuego> brownie17: I want to replace a template string with dynamic data (ideally in PHP)
[09:28] <bob2> Hoxzer: you can certainly run them, jut not simply
[09:29] <brownie17> cafuego: ok, sorry it wasa just a guess
[09:29] <bob2> Cashel: trickle
[09:29] <bob2> Hoxzer: often it doesn't matter, tho
[09:29] <dreamie> is there a way to check the systems resources
[09:29] <Cashel> thanks bob
[09:29] <bob2> dreamie: which resources?
[09:29] <brownie17> !runlevels
[09:29] <ubotu> brownie17: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:29] <odat> k this is the error i'm getting
[09:29] <thoreauputic> dreamie: which resources? What about typing "top" in terminal ?
[09:29] <Hoxzer> Bob2: ok, I try 64 bit then
[09:29] <Cashel> dreamie, top
[09:30] <odat> there were not codecs found to support this media type you may need to install the appropriate plugins
[09:30] <odat> i have the plugins installed
[09:30] <thoreauputic> brownie17: in debian based distros, runlevels 1 and 2 are pretty much it (except 0 and 6)
[09:31] <thoreauputic> brownie17: unless you want to play games with custom runlevels of course
[09:31] <dreamie> my system is very slow
[09:31] <dreamie> i wondered if the resources are low
[09:31] <brownie17> ok
[09:32] <fluvvell> bob2: what do you know about the hardware abstraction layer (HAL)
[09:32] <fluvvell> ?
[09:32] <bob2> what do you want to know?
[09:32] <thoreauputic> dreamie: try " top "
[09:32] <fluvvell> bob2: well, I backed up a system, reformatted then restored from a tar file, and I get HAL failed to initialise
[09:32] <drrakn> dreamie: I'm fond of the gnome system monitor applet
[09:33] <fluvvell> bob2: most stuff seems to work,
[09:33] <omp342> :(
[09:33] <nalioth> dreamie: applications > system tools > system monitor
[09:34] <omp342> i rebooted my computer and now xchat doesn't work :[
[09:34] <topyli> looks like we pretty much have gnome 2.12 on breezy now :)
[09:34] <fluvvell> bob2: I get a message something about .udev---  (something) already exists
[09:34] <fluvvell> while booting
[09:34] <bob2> fluvvell: backing up /dev is a bad idea
[09:34] <bob2> as is /proc and /sys
[09:34] <thoreauputic> !doesn't work
[09:34] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, doesn't work is something you should never say.  Be more specific.
[09:34] <fluvvell> bob2:why did I know you were going to say that
[09:35] <omp342> the xchat window pops up and when i try to connect it just closes
[09:35] <bob2> restore /dev to an empty dir
[09:35] <omp342> i tried opening from terminal and it doesn't show any errors
[09:35] <omp342> hmm the problem is only with freenode
[09:35] <thoreauputic> omp342: possibly try renaming ~/.xchat2 and restarting
[09:35] <fluvvell> bob2: then reboot or something?
[09:35] <omp342> i think i know the answer
[09:35] <omp342> hold up
[09:36] <Hoxzer> doooooooonnttt you cryyyy tonight I still love youuuu baby
[09:36] <Madpilot> anyone here ever used CVS?
[09:36] <bob2> fluvvell: yes
[09:36] <fluvvell> bob2: just to be clear, you mean rm -rf /dev/*
[09:36] <bob2> Madpilot: any moderate user has
[09:36] <pacer> What about CVS ?
[09:36] <bob2> fluvvell: or move it away
[09:37] <fluvvell> cool, I'll try that
[09:37] <Madpilot> bob2: was trying to get Screem's built-in CVS stuff set up, for website projects... got a good CVS tutorial you can recommend?
[09:38] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  little last question if you may....
[09:38] <bob2> Madpilot: cvshome.org, I guess
[09:38] <bob2> cvs is kinda obsolete, tho
[09:38] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  to stop a service from starting, you rm it from rcS.d right?
[09:39] <syn-ack> Theres something better than cvs out there now?
[09:39] <Madpilot> bob2: no SVN support in Screem yet though...
[09:39] <omp342> ok i'm in xchat now :)
[09:39] <drrakn> aftertaf: use update-rc.d
[09:39] <intelikey> hmmm nope can't make this thing work with a XFree86-4.#  only 3.#    so no chance of getting a gui up in ubuntu for me.....
[09:39] <dazvid> Anyone here using an Audigy 2 card?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> omp342: so what was the problem?
[09:39] <_brian> can anyone help me set up my wifi in kubuntu?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> omp342: (curious)
[09:39] <bob2> _brian: #kubuntu
[09:40] <aftertaf> drrakn:  i type update-rc.d and the service name?
[09:40] <thoreauputic> bob2: he was just redirected here :)
[09:40] <Myrtti> intelikey: why are you using XFree?
[09:40] <aftertaf> + remove?
[09:40] <nalioth> bob2: there's nobody in #kubuntu
[09:40] <drrakn> aftertaf: update-rc.d -f namegoesherewithoutS99 remove
[09:40] <_brian> thanks nalioth
[09:40] <intelikey> Myrtti cause my distro didn't have xorg :)
[09:41] <Myrtti> bwah
[09:41] <aftertaf> -f :)
[09:41] <aftertaf> ok thx
[09:41] <_brian> there's absolutely no one in #kubuntu
[09:41] <bob2> bah kubuntu
[09:41] <ompaul> bob2, its just not gnome is it :)
[09:41] <bob2> people should take "ability to get support" into acount when picking a distribution
[09:41] <intelikey> yeah or use a generic #linuxhelp
[09:43] <Madpilot> need sleep... good night, all
[09:43] <omp342> thoreauputic: i don't know, i just deleted ~/.xchat2 like you said and it worked
[09:43] <aftertaf> _brian:  wifi isn't a purely kde problem tho
[09:44] <thoreauputic> omp342: ah, OK :)
[09:44] <topyli> _brian: looks like #kubuntu has 82 people in
[09:44] <omp342> thoreauputic: i think it has something to do with the file full of commands to execute when i connect to freenode
[09:44] <intelikey> hmm wifi purely isn't a kde problem.
[09:44] <thoreauputic> omp342: very likely
[09:45] <Myrtti> irssi! ;-)
[09:45] <_brian> i haven't tried very hard either, this is my very first ever exposure to linux, i'm excited
[09:45] <ompaul> !wifi
[09:45] <ubotu> I guess wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[09:45] <thoreauputic> !start an IRC client war
[09:45] <ubotu> xchat is better than b-x !
[09:45] <djib> hello
[09:45] <Myrtti> hm
[09:45] <omp342> thoreauputic: the thing is, that it worked before i restarted my computer
[09:45] <ompaul> _brian, have a look at that URL ummv (your mileage may vary)
[09:45] <djib> I have a problem with the network
[09:45] <aftertaf> lool thoreauputic
[09:46] <Myrtti> I should really get dressed up, put makeup on and head for the fabric shop
[09:46] <PeaceMakr> hi everyone, good morning
[09:46] <djib> I installed my pc yesterday and did only a few software installation
[09:46] <intelikey> bx good      xchat filling      bx good ....
[09:46] <djib> gm PeaceMakr
[09:46] <aftertaf> hi PeaceMakr :)
[09:46] <djib> Now the network won't start
[09:46] <thoreauputic> omp342: you can try putting things back one at a time and see which thing caused the trouble (assuming you backed up .xchat2)
[09:47] <_brian> _ompaul i'll give it a look
[09:47] <djib> etc/init.d/networking restart fails
[09:47] <djib> and I get a message with /etc/init.d/networking: line 20: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/rp_filter: Permission non accorde
[09:47] <PeaceMakr> i have an odd query for you all, has any of you managed to get iBurst running with uuntu 5.04?
[09:47] <djib> any one can help me ?
[09:47] <omp342> thoreauputic: i backed it up, then i deleted it (i still have the file since it wasn't in that folder)
[09:48] <ompaul> djib, how did you do the software installation?
[09:48] <omp342> how can i change my hsync and vsync settings?
[09:48] <djib> apt-get
[09:48] <ompaul> djib, where did you get the repos from?
[09:48] <djib> i got them from the ubuntu wiki
[09:48] <ompaul> djib, did you include backports?
[09:49] <djib> yes, but not extras
[09:49] <Cashel> omp342, best way is to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand .. otherwise you can go through xorgconfig
[09:49] <ompaul> djib, can you guess why I asked that question :)
[09:49] <omp342> i'll just do it manually :)
[09:49] <ekimus> hi, anyone can point me to a dvd authoring programm. i sometimes get clips from a friend and want to create dvds with a menu and all the fancy stuff playable in a dvd player
[09:49] <intelikey> omp342 edit /etc/X11/x-org.config      or something like that.
[09:49] <nalioth> bob2 what is "confirm bug" on the bugzilla page?
[09:49] <omp342> thanks Cashel
[09:49] <nalioth> ekimus: dvdauthor
[09:49] <djib> ompaul: do you think it may be linked ?
[09:49] <intelikey>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf <--
[09:49] <ekimus> that was too easy
[09:49] <ompaul> djib, almost sure of it
[09:49] <djib> what can I do then ?
[09:50] <Cashel> didnt I say that?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> Cashel: the "canonical" method is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:50] <aapelii> Im having a problem changing the keymap in gnome. The system says the layout is finnish, but it really is the us map. Im using breezy.
[09:50] <Cashel> ohhh
[09:50] <nalioth> !info dvdauthor
[09:50] <Cashel> nifty
[09:50] <ubotu> dvdauthor: (create DVD-Video file system), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.6.10-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 157 kB, Installed size: 444 kB
[09:50] <intelikey> yeah maybe you type faster than i do Cashel
[09:50] <Cashel> wish I'd have known that when I was going through hell w/ fglrx, hehe...
[09:50] <Cashel> intelikey, my bad
[09:50] <djib> ompaul: what can I do ?
[09:51] <P3L|C4N0> !nvidia
[09:51] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[09:51] <ompaul> djib, try this first in a terminal  'sudo iptables -L' lets see if the list says DROP in its output
[09:51] <djib> ok, i'll be back
[09:51] <nalioth> thoreauputic: where did bob2 go?
[09:51] <djib> (I need to reboot under Ubuntu
[09:51] <thoreauputic> nalioth: no idea
[09:51] <bob2> it's a tag on a bug
[09:51] <bob2> I'm unbreakign lyx
[09:52] <drrakn> ekimus: that is a pretty nifty program. I'd also recommend DVDStyler with it
[09:52] <nalioth> bob2: you keep on then
[09:52] <topyli> bob2: cool! unbroken lyx is needed :)
[09:52] <drrakn> which allows drag-and-drop menu creation and such
[09:52] <drrakn> has some rough edges, but I hacked up a few DVDs with it that looked ok
[09:53] <brownie17> aftertaf: pm me!
[09:53] <PeaceMakr> i have an odd query for you all, has any of you managed to get iBurst running with uuntu 5.04?
[09:54] <Cashel> is there a way to change the default icon size in gnome? couldnt find it in the configuration editor.... ?
[09:54] <drrakn> PeaceMakr: what is iburst? :)
[09:54] <PeaceMakr> drrakn iburst is wireless internet
[09:54] <drrakn> ahhh
[09:55] <bob2> it's a wireless network in (at least) .au
[09:55] <PeaceMakr> it is in use in australia and now here in south africa
[09:55] <bob2> it works fine if you get the ethernet modem
[09:55] <odat> well i found if i just disable the totem mozilla plugin it works fine
[09:55] <PeaceMakr> bob2 have you got it running now?
[09:55] <nalioth> PeaceMakr: let bob2 work
[09:55] <bob2> nope
[09:56] <GioSico> Could anyone give me some advice on setting two mirrored (non system) drives on ubuntu ... I am going to put my photogallery cms and mysql database on them and I want them to always be either synced or mirrored ... much thanks.
[09:56] <hawk^> hello
[09:57] <brownie17> nalioth: i need help, real bad
[09:57] <PeaceMakr> nalioth sorry didnt mean to stop anyone from working, im just so anxious to get ubuntu online
[09:57] <brownie17> nalioth: pm? it might take a while to explain
[09:57] <djib> hello
[09:57] <hawk^> ive just installed ubuntu on my ibook but the mosue pad dosent work :S whats the problem ?
[09:57] <bob2> it's really way less annoying to just ask questions in the channel
[09:58] <bob2> way way less annoying
[09:58] <thoreauputic> GioSico: apt-cache search unison ? Or perhaps rsync from the commandline?
[09:58] <djib> I did the iptables -L thing
[09:58] <nalioth> hawk^: that is strange
[09:58] <nalioth> hawk^: what kind of ibook?
[09:58] <bob2> PeaceMakr: you really found nothing on google about this?
[09:58] <hawk^> nalioth : ibook g4 the new one
[09:58] <djib> What am I supposed to see in it ?
[09:58] <nalioth> hawk^: that's very strange
[09:58] <hawk^> i know
[09:59] <drrakn> thoreauputic, GioSico: wouldn't software raid mirroring be a less risky solution? (always in sync)
[09:59] <PeaceMakr> bob2 i found that there are ppl working on a 'driver' but so far i have not been able to make the driver work, i am TOTALLYT new on Linux
[09:59] <thoreauputic> drrakn: indeed, you're right - I just reread the question
[09:59] <bob2> PeaceMakr: go get the ethernet version of the modem
[09:59] <ompaul> djib, the word ACCEPT or DROP is what I am interested in
[09:59] <hawk^> is it a bug or ?
[09:59] <PeaceMakr> bob2 my modem has ethernet and usb
[10:00] <djib> there are many many DROP words
[10:00] <drrakn> I'm afraid I don't know a friendly way to configure it though -- I just did it the hard way with my RAID5
[10:00] <djib> wait I'll do a pastebin thing
[10:00] <Cashel> is there a way to select only security updates in syndicate??
[10:00] <ompaul> djib, na just reinstall, then start without backports :)
[10:00] <lopingo> damn.. conflict
[10:00] <lopingo> >_>
[10:00] <djib> ompaul: why that ?
[10:01] <bob2> PeaceMakr: then use the ethernet port
[10:01] <lopingo> anyone installed alsa here?
[10:01] <bob2> PeaceMakr: does't it have a manual?
[10:01] <lopingo> or using alsa?
[10:01] <intelikey> hawk^ i kinda dought it.    my guess is your mouse is not configured properly.
[10:01] <aftertaf> how do i add sth with update-rc.d??? i tried sudo update-rc.d cmd 0 49 . and got an error
[10:01] <drrakn> GioSico: if you decide to go that route -- start with "man mdadm". It'll be a bit time consuming, but not too painful.
[10:01] <ompaul> djib, it would be shorter than trying to fix each of the packages
[10:01] <bob2> Cashel: "syndicate"?
[10:01] <bob2> aftertaf: read the manpage
[10:01] <Cashel> synaptic, lol oops
[10:01] <PeaceMakr> bob2 no go, thats why im here, getting frustrated
[10:01] <Cashel> I miss that game tho, lol
[10:01] <topyli> lopingo: alsa is there to begin with isn't it
[10:02] <aftertaf> bob2:  i have done..... i can't make sense of it!
[10:02] <ompaul> djib, one does not know exactly what damage you have done and it is the first out of the gate, but now you can do something very userful :)
[10:02] <bob2> aftertaf: and you didn't show us the error
[10:02] <intelikey> hawk^ "ls /dev/psaux " and see if it shows a device.
[10:02] <bob2> PeaceMakr: it has no manual?
[10:02] <lopingo> yes but it isnt working wif my sound dev
[10:02] <aftertaf> unexpected runlevel, did you forget . ??
[10:02] <lopingo> so i used the sound daemon
[10:02] <ompaul> djib, when you are installing make three partitions one of / one for swap and one for /home
[10:02] <aftertaf> $ sudo update-rc.d cmd 0 49 .
[10:02] <djib> ompaul: I didn't understand your last sentence
[10:02] <hydromet> hello all -- am a newbie here. I'd love to put Ubuntu PPC on a Firewire or USB 2.0 disk and run it off my Mac 15" PB.
[10:02] <brownie17> aftertaf: was that meant for me?
[10:02] <lopingo> lo
[10:02] <djib> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1949
[10:02] <PeaceMakr> bob2 no, and tech support at iburst is non existant and worse when Linux is involved
[10:03] <djib> I pasted my iptables -L there
[10:03] <ompaul> djib, okay - how much disk are you using?
[10:03] <intelikey> hawk^ ?
[10:03] <ompaul> djib, okay - for ubuntu
[10:03] <hydromet> can anyone say with certainty if PyQT runs on Ubuntu PPC ?
[10:03] <bob2> PeaceMakr: how on earth did you get it working on windows?
[10:03] <bob2> hydromet: of course it does
[10:03] <aftertaf> my question is to help you brownie17  and to learn too....
[10:03] <brownie17> ok
[10:03] <djib> I dunno, maybe 30%
[10:03] <thoreauputic> djib: what do you expect?  he's Irish  (/me ducks and runs from ompaul )
[10:03] <lopingo> topyli: i did try using it but failed
[10:03] <lopingo> sound device failed
[10:03] <bob2> aftertaf: showing the command and the output together is way less irritating than you posting btis of each
[10:03] <hydromet> bob2: sweet! I just wanted to check to make sure ahead of time.
[10:03] <djib> ^^ thoreauputic
[10:03] <lopingo> o gtg
[10:03] <lopingo> bye
[10:03] <topyli> lopingo: the sound server has to use oss or alsa itself. it doesn't make any sound
[10:03] <hawk^> does someone know why my mouse pad dosent work on ubuntu ???
[10:04] <lopingo> oh ok
[10:04] <lopingo> thanks man
[10:04] <ompaul> djib, 30% of what?
[10:04] <djib> hda1
[10:04] <Razor-X> hmmm, how would you go about using an enumerate space in LaTeX while making the items use letters instead of numbers?
[10:04] <derFlo> how can I start kde apps in systray?
[10:04] <intelikey> hawk^ are you ignoring me ?
[10:04] <hawk^> no
[10:04] <bob2> derFlo: #kubuntu; if no one there cares, ask on their mailing list
[10:04] <intelikey> hawk^ "ls /dev/psaux " and see if it shows a device.
[10:04] <pitti> Razor-X: \item[yourbullet]
[10:04] <ompaul> djib, and emmm how big is that (getting back to the question)
[10:04] <hydromet> bob2: I had tried to install PyQT from source dependency chain (including Trolltech QT) on Tiger and it was a headache. I got it to work but then the apps with GUI on PyQT on Tiger are often greyed out and some text fields don't accept text input. Weird.
[10:05] <Razor-X> pitti: there's no automated way to specify letters only?
[10:05] <pitti> Razor-X: oh, that's not quite what you want, sorry
[10:05] <aftertaf> bob2:  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1950 contains all
[10:06] <Zverokot> hello
[10:06] <intelikey> hawk^ or you can "lsmod "  and see if a module is loaded for the mouse.
[10:06] <djib> ompaul: I'm using 2.1Go
[10:06] <bob2> aftertaf: get rid of the final .
[10:06] <derFlo> thx
[10:06] <pitti> Razor-X: try \renewcommand{\theenumi}{\Alph{enumi}}
[10:07] <pitti> Razor-X: similar for enumii, enumiii, for the second, third level, and so on
[10:07] <intelikey> hawk^ you don't have a clue what i'm talking about do you ?
[10:07] <ompaul> djib, okay forget what I was about to suggest - does not make sense with that amount of disk
[10:07] <dreamie> what makes a computer run so slow on ubuntu?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> dreamie: it doesn't run slow here...
[10:08] <djib> I've got an external disk
[10:08] <djib> usb
[10:08] <thoreauputic> dreamie: did you look at the monitors we suggested
[10:08] <thoreauputic> ?
[10:08] <bob2> dreamie: you'd need to define "slow" a lot more strictly
[10:08] <djib> ompaul: but I've never managed to bood a linux from it
[10:09] <ompaul> djib, leave it alone - the amount of i/o activity would wear it out quickly - if you could get it to work to boot
[10:09] <djib> (installation goes fine, but it just won't boot)
[10:09] <djib> ok
[10:09] <thoreauputic> !tell dreamie about ask
[10:09] <djib> so what shall I do ompaul ?
[10:09] <dreamie> ok for instance it takes a few more seconds to multi task
[10:10] <ompaul> djib, okay reinstall and this time do not use backports except for hoary-extras  ... if you want and can use them
[10:10] <dreamie> and when i choose to minimize a maximize a window it takes longer too
[10:10] <PeaceMakr> dreamie what are your pcs specs?
[10:10] <dreamie> the browser takes a while too
[10:10] <thoreauputic> dreamie: longer than what?
[10:10] <dreamie> like a some seconds longer
[10:10] <GioSico> drrakn ... thanks for your replies ... is software mirroring available in Ubuntu ... I assume unison is a utility? available via apt-cache (is that what you mean?) and rsync I'll look into that too ... and look into man mdadm
[10:10] <dreamie> its not quick
[10:10] <aftertaf> bob2:  same error !!
[10:10] <dreamie> i am on laptop
[10:10] <GioSico> is mdadm the software raid utility?
[10:11] <drrakn> GioSico: unison/rsync are userland mirroring sync utilities and they can work over a network (or locally)
[10:11] <PeaceMakr> dreamie a 286 a amd64???
[10:11] <drrakn> mdadm is the software raid utility
[10:11] <djib> but ompaul I spent about a full day setting up all my config files yesterday ! I don't really feel like doing it again ^^
[10:11] <thoreauputic> dreamie: be specific, please
[10:11] <drrakn> and will be more reliable, if you have a failure between syncs
[10:11] <GioSico> great ... much thanks :)
[10:11] <drrakn> if you want to sync a bunch of networked servers, you might consider rsync
[10:11] <drrakn> although I'd just use the builtin replication support in mysql at that point
[10:11] <GioSico> ic ... good 2 no
[10:12] <GioSico> more good tips
[10:12] <GioSico> :)
[10:12] <pitti> Razor-X: does that work?
[10:12] <dreamie> i have an ibm thinkpad 390
[10:12] <brownie17> madpilot: i have a problem with my startup, i deleted one of the startup options, and now i can't boot. how can i add it again (  ;( i didn't backup)
[10:13] <topyli> GioSico: unison works very well when you have to keep something like ~/Desktop in sync between two desktop machines, over ssh
[10:13] <topyli> but it's no backup solution
[10:13] <ompaul> djib, I can't unravel your backports mess, to do so would mean that I have exactly the same system as you only not broken
[10:14] <PeaceMakr> thinkpad 390:  CPU: Mobile Pentium-II 233 MHz
[10:14] <GioSico> thanks everyone for the good tips
[10:14] <kemik> brownie17:  always backup or just comment out stuff.. especially when you dont know what youre doing
[10:14] <ompaul> djib, you will do it a lot quicker today :)
[10:14] <aftertaf> kemik:  its a update-rc.d problem
[10:15] <kemik> gotta go
[10:15] <aftertaf> we're trying to stop the evms service form crashing on boot...
[10:15] <PeaceMakr> thinkpad 390:  Video: Neomagic nmg5 with 2.5 mb vram
[10:15] <brownie17> bob2: i have an update-rc.d problem
[10:15] <ompaul> djib, imagine you had a BMW 7  series and you fitted parts from a lexus to it -
[10:15] <bob2> brownie17: that's great
[10:15] <PeaceMakr> dreamie i think you are asking alot from your thinkpad 390
[10:16] <brownie17> bob2: :), can you help me? i want to add the evm back into my boot
[10:16] <intelikey> ok mouse on lappy is psaux isn't it ?
[10:16] <bob2> no
[10:16] <ompaul> djib, now imagine bringing the car to a custom shop
[10:16] <drrakn> no kidding -- gnome is already dog slow on my 600mhz lifebook :p
[10:16] <aftertaf> hence the update-rc.d trouble
[10:16] <drrakn> I can't imagine a 233
[10:16] <runge> hi, does ubuntu handle "Intel 815 OnBoard" video cars? (I seam to remmeber some kind of bug)
[10:17] <drrakn> did the ubuntu-light desktop ever come to fruitition?
[10:17] <bob2> mostly
[10:17] <thoreauputic> drrakn: it's being worked on - there's a mailing list/google group for it
[10:17] <GioSico> o and I guess I should ask just to be safe ... if I want to add more ram and harddrives ... to ubuntu .. can I just put them in as normal .. and start the computer .. or do I need to do any PRE config?
[10:17] <drrakn> thoreauputic: I assume it'll be breezy+1?
[10:18] <brownie17> drrakn: i have a 433 with ubuntu and it works prtty much fine
[10:18] <djib> ompaul: it seems that I didn't install backports
[10:18] <dazvid> silly question.. where do the skins for XMMS get stored by default?
[10:18] <thoreauputic> drrakn: I don't know - so far I believe there's a test CD, but I haven't tried it
[10:18] <nalioth> GioSico: ram is seen by the hardware and ubuntu will use it
[10:18] <drrakn> thoreauputic: I suppose I can figure that out on my own :)
[10:18] <nalioth> GioSico: your hard drives can be added when you boot the machine after adding them
[10:19] <aftertaf> i thought this was supposed to be a support channel, not a "i'm a linux guru, you sad n00b" channel......must've been mistaken.
[10:19] <djib> I just created a apt/preferences file and set a priority > 1000 for hory, horay-updates and hoary-security
[10:19] <zcat[1] > aftertaf: you're mistaken. noob!
[10:19] <djib> and one < 0 for the rest
[10:19] <bob2> apokryphos: what are yo ucomplaining about?
[10:19] <thoreauputic> drrakn: I just did a "server" install with fluxbox on my P200 mmx / 64MB RAM
[10:19] <graeme> dazvid,  do a dpkg -L and you can see all the files in a package
[10:19] <dazvid> Thanks graeme
[10:19] <PeaceMakr> if someone has ever got iburst running on any distro please let me know, i want this issue put behind me asap
[10:19] <bob2> bah
[10:19] <nalioth> aftertaf: quit stirring
[10:19] <drrakn> thoreauputic: that's not a bad idea
[10:19] <bob2> aftertaf: what are you coplaining about?
[10:19] <djib> then I did an dist-upgrade
[10:20] <brownie17> WHO KNOWS HOW TO USE UPDATE-RC.D
[10:20] <djib> and it didn't downgrade any package except fro libruby
[10:20] <ompaul> djib, put the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list in pastebin the contents of 'iptables -L' into same also see you in a few
[10:20] <GioSico> nalioth ... thank you for your replies ... just thought I should ask as I have not done much linux work in the past ...
[10:20] <nalioth> brownie17: you are gonna get shown the door for that
[10:20] <aftertaf> nalioth:  i'm not... but when you ask for help and just get blindwalled... i'm trying to help someone who knows even less than me... thats all
[10:20] <thoreauputic> drrakn: I runs OK - the main drag is using Firefox: too heavy - dillo and links2 graphical run fine
[10:20] <aftertaf> brownie17:  dont shout.....
[10:20] <PeaceMakr> darn caps lol
[10:20] <brownie17> sorry
[10:20] <thoreauputic> s/I/it
[10:21] <derFlo> "kstart" solved my problem. just in case someone cares.
[10:21] <tommi^> Hi. I wrote an email with an evolution and in the response to my email I noticed that the scandinavian characters were wrong. This I think is due to that the respondent uses outlook or webmail and the default character set from composing new email is utf-8, right? Should I just change to iso-8859-15 to get rid off email problems because windows simply don't understand utf-8?
[10:21] <brownie17> i deserve to get kicked for that, but it's just frsutrating
[10:21] <ompaul> djib, and your prefs file
[10:21] <nalioth> aftertaf: ask some1 else. there are many users in here
[10:21] <djib> ompaul: the restult of my iptables -L is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1949
[10:21] <nalioth> GioSico: you'll have no problem(s)
[10:21] <brownie17> can anyone help me with an urgent update-rc.d problem?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> brownie17: update-rc.d <app> defaults IIRC
[10:22] <PeaceMakr> brownie17 there are ways to disable the capslock key
[10:22] <brownie17> peacemakr: :)
[10:22] <zcat[1] > brownie17: the man page covers it pretty well.. I just make simlinks by hand usually
[10:22] <brownie17> thoreauputic: thanx
[10:22] <tommi^> brownie17, don't ask if someone could help with your problem. Just tell us what your problem is.
[10:22] <ompaul> djib, what firewall did you install?
[10:22] <ompaul> djib, and why?
[10:23] <brownie17> thoreauputic: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/evm: file does not exist
[10:23] <thoreauputic> brownie17: well you have to make it exist, obviously
[10:23] <usuario> hello
[10:23] <brownie17> thoreauputic: yes, how do i do that?
[10:23] <zcat[1] > apparently the file /etc/init.d/evm doesn't exist!
[10:24] <thoreauputic> brownie17: ah - is this about enterprise volume management ?
[10:24] <zcat[1] > what's evm supposed to do?
[10:24] <usuario> What is this channel talking about?
[10:24] <brownie17> thoreauputic: i cannot stay, if you know how to fix it, email it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and yes it is eneterprise volume managemtn system
[10:24] <bob2> usuario: ubuntu...
[10:24] <thoreauputic> brownie17: lokk at "BUM" boot up manager
[10:24] <thoreauputic> !bum
[10:24] <ubotu> [bum]  a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[10:24] <brownie17> brb int 30 mins
[10:24] <bob2> brownie17: why do you want EVMS to be running, anyway?
[10:25] <djib> ompaul: I installed guarddog
[10:25] <djib> but I haven't configured it
[10:25] <djib> I just updated my pastebin
[10:25] <djib> with the other files you asked for
[10:25] <Cashel> bum crashed for me... and took my kernel along for a ride...
[10:25] <thoreauputic> Cashel: ouch
[10:26] <djib> ompaul: I installed guarddog because I was told it is good ^^
[10:26] <Cashel> its not so hard to do by hand, I'll live w/ out, hehe
[10:26] <thoreauputic> Cashel: indeed
[10:26] <nalioth> djib: with a default install, no firewall is necessary
[10:26] <B_joey> riansm
[10:26] <djib> nolan: why that ?
[10:26] <ompaul> djib, well remove it
[10:26] <drrakn> djib: nothing is listening on the network
[10:26] <blrich> can someone tell me - does the ubuntu kernel support reiser4?
[10:27] <thoreauputic> djib: because no services run by default facing the internet
[10:27] <djib> oh ok
[10:27] <bob2> blrich: no
[10:27] <intelikey> ok use the control key and the letter c   " [ctrl]  c  "  both at the same time to kill the od command.
[10:27] <blrich> bob2, will it ever? it has mkreiser4
[10:27] <intelikey> sorry guys.
[10:27] <drrakn> totally randomness -- does reiserfs still have spindown issues with laptop-mode?
[10:28] <bob2> blrich: is reiser4 in the mainline kernel?
[10:28] <PeaceMakr> goodbye everyone, thanks for your help
[10:28] <aapelii> where do I do bug reports about breezy_
[10:28] <djib> ok, I purged guarddog and guidedog
[10:29] <nalioth> aapelii: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:29] <bob2> or launchpad.net for packages in universe
[10:29] <aapelii> nalioth: oh, I thought it was only for releases. Thanks
[10:30] <intelikey> guys the newbe need help configing a mouse psaux is working but he needs a gui way to config it  ---> hawk^
[10:30] <djib> ompaul: do you think it should work now ?
[10:30] <usuario> when is ubuntu going to be a stock?
[10:30] <djib> shall i reboot ?
[10:31] <aftertaf> bob2:  he has evms hanging his system for like 15 mins on boot, so i helped him deactivate it on startup, now he says he doesnt even have gnome running anymore, so he wants it back....
[10:31] <aftertaf> my fault for trying to help when out of my depth too.... sorry
[10:31] <ivoks> is aaron doucet here?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> djib: try sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:31] <ompaul> djib, it should if you remove the firewall
[10:31] <hawk^> how do i configure the mouse from the gui? im new to linux  and ive checked the device, its working. PM plz
[10:31] <ivoks> last call, aaron doucet?
[10:31] <bob2> aftertaf: that has nothing to do with gnome being broken
[10:32] <ivoks> thank you
[10:32] <aapelii> anyone know where in the config files is the default keymap for gnome? I can't get it configured with the gui.
[10:32] <aftertaf> my thoughts exactly bob2 ;)
[10:32] <djib> ok, I'll try that thanks
[10:32] <djib> I'll be right back
[10:32] <usuario> who designed ubuntu?
[10:33] <omp342> i'm off off to sleep
[10:33] <bob2> usuario: www.ubuntu.com
[10:33] <omp342> bye guys
[10:33] <thoreauputic> usuario: erm.. odd question - it is Debian based
[10:33] <crashbox> hey all.... just got ubuntu loaded..... but my res is stuck at 640x480.  how can i change this to a higher res?
[10:33] <thoreauputic> usuario: what do you mean by "designed" ?
[10:34] <nalioth> crashbox: system > prefs > screen resolution
[10:34] <intelikey> crashbox you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.config
[10:34] <bob2> neither of those are very helpful
[10:34] <crashbox> nalioth, only shows 640x480
[10:34] <bob2> unless you're going to explain how to setup modelines manually
[10:34] <nalioth> !tell crashbox about resolution
[10:35] <crashbox> nalioth, will review
[10:37] <zcat[1] > !help
[10:37] <usuario> designed = made the structure of the operating system
[10:37] <usuario> Are the device/machine to make chips made in Holland, the company I think it is called ASML?
[10:37] <intelikey> dpkg --reconfigure xorg<something>
[10:37] <linner> hello...
[10:37] <linner> any new linux users in here?
[10:37] <zcat[1] > several..
[10:37] <nalioth> linner: none, we are all 10 year veterans
[10:37] <linner> fantastic
[10:37] <brown_girl> hello
[10:38] <linner> LOL
[10:38] <thoreauputic> usuario: Ubuntu is GNU/Linux
[10:38] <djib> hey
[10:38] <linner> hello brown
[10:38] <djib> it did'nt change much ompaul
[10:38] <intelikey> linner i am.
[10:38] <brown_girl> hi linner
[10:38] <odat> anyone know of a good audio player that scans / watches a folder for new files?
[10:38] <linner> today is my first day using ubuntu... I used linspire very briefly... so far ubuntu rocks!
[10:38] <crashbox> it's asking to input the vio cards bus identifier, it displays PCI:1:0:0, but my card is agp.... should this mater?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> usuario: a distribution of a system that has grown over a couple of decades
[10:39] <thoreauputic> if you include pre-kernel days
[10:39] <linner> intel:  how long have you been using linux?
[10:39] <intelikey> i have only been using linux for a few months
[10:39] <intelikey> maybe 30 something months
[10:39] <intelikey> :)
[10:39] <linner> intel:  so next to me you're an expert! :)
[10:39] <djib> ompaul: did you have a look at my pastebin ?
[10:40] <CrashFire> Hello
[10:40] <CrashFire> can somebody help me?
[10:40] <djib> linspire isn't free is it linner ?
[10:40] <linner> hey Crash
[10:40] <linner> djib:  it was through today
[10:40] <djib> CrashFire: yo
[10:40] <ompaul> djib, do this - iptables -F
[10:40] <intelikey> i don't know if i'd go that far, linner
[10:40] <linner> they had a special I found out about through digg.com
[10:40] <linner> intel:  *smile*
[10:40] <CrashFire> I downloading ubuntu 5.04 now , can I set up eggdrops shell in it?
[10:40] <djib> ok ompaul, i'll be right back ^^
[10:40] <ompaul> djib, then you will have to do this
[10:40] <nalioth> crashbox: yes
[10:40] <djib> yes ?
[10:41] <brownie17> bob2: becasue it wont run without it
[10:41] <ompaul> djib, let me get the syntax 100% correct
[10:41] <CrashFire> can I set up eggdrops shell in ubuntu 5.04???
[10:41] <djib> ok ^^
[10:41] <zcat[1] > CrashFire: yes
[10:41] <CrashFire> thx
[10:41] <linner> linspire was pretty nice... did emulate windows desktop pretty well and was a nice intro to linux... but as far as trying to install software... well, unless you used their CNR, forget it!
[10:41] <linner> so that's how I found out about ubuntu
[10:42] <linner> and I'm thrilled with it so far
[10:42] <CrashFire> is it norwegian helplist for makeing a shell ?
[10:42] <nalioth> CrashFire: everyone answered crashbox a resounding "yes"
[10:42] <linner> intel:  are you fully switched over?
[10:42] <linner> meaning, are you using a linux box onlly?
[10:42] <CrashFire> nalioth : ok
[10:42] <thoreauputic> CrashFire: wow that was patient! You waited a whole 40 seconds before repeating!
[10:42] <CrashFire> crashbox : yes
[10:43] <CrashFire> thoreauputic ??
[10:43] <linner> hehehe
[10:43] <bob2> brownie17: sure it will
[10:43] <thoreauputic> CrashFire: never mind.. :/
[10:43] <kairu0> any qemu users?
[10:43] <djib> yes
[10:43] <bob2> best to just ask your question
[10:43] <linner> is anyone trying to sync a Tungsten T3 with Evolution's palm client?
[10:44] <djib> kairu0: what's the problem with qemu ?
[10:44] <linner> or a Palm anything for that matter
[10:44] <kairu0> djib: i dont know if its a bug or what but i installed winxp in qemu and i cant drag things with the mouse
[10:44] <thoreauputic> linner: someone in a galaxy far away no doubt is... ;)
[10:45] <djib> winxp is not compatible with xp is it ?
[10:45] <linner> thoreau:  nice, thanks :)
[10:45] <djib> -xp +qemu
[10:45] <slash> ?
[10:45] <slash> german ?
[10:45] <zcat[1] > xp isn;t compatable with anything
[10:45] <aftertaf> lol zcat[1]  :P
[10:45] <brownie17> bob2: well it's not, it runs up until the gnoe-panel where it gives me a "HAL" error, and doesnt load the panel
[10:45] <Sav^> Im following a howto and go to the line "I changed my repo sources to breezy for a moment, downloaded linux-source-2.6.12 (2.6.12 kernel with ubuntu patches)", can anyone help me explain what breezy-source is?
[10:45] <ompaul> djib,  sudo iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT ; sudo iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT ; sudo iptables -P FILTER ACCEPT
[10:46] <slash> Problems with Windows - Reboot , Problems with Linux - Be root
[10:46] <linner> thoreauputic:  is there a better channel where I should ask my question?  seriously now
[10:46] <bob2> brownie17: then perhaps this person broke HAL
[10:46] <djib> kairu0: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ossupport.html
[10:46] <ompaul> djib,  but sudo iptables -F first
[10:46] <brownie17> bob2: what person broke HAL? what
[10:46] <thoreauputic> linner: I was just joking :)
[10:46] <linner> <-- can take a joke... :)
[10:46] <kairu0> djib, thanks
[10:46] <bob2> brownie17: ?
[10:46] <djib> yes ompaul
[10:46] <aftertaf> me? :(
[10:46] <djib> no worries kairu
[10:46] <bob2> brownie17: whoever is experiencing this problem
[10:46] <bob2> gnome is not going to fail to start because EVMS is disabled
[10:46] <HiddenFly> when i remove packages thru synaptic, what is the difference between mark for removal and mark for complete removal? which one do you recommend?
[10:46] <slash> *trashing*
[10:47] <djib> I got win2000 running pretty well in qemu
[10:47] <bob2> it will have problems if someone broke HAL, tho
[10:47] <djib> I think it's the best compromise
[10:47] <thoreauputic> OK time to go and eat - happy Ubunting ...
[10:47] <djib> what do you cant to do exactly kairu0 ?
[10:47] <linner> bye Thoreau
[10:47] <linner> :)
[10:47] <jack-> anyone good with kickstart files, and the "configurator" app?
[10:47] <drrakn> djib: I'm hoping AMDs Pacifica + Xen will solve my emulation problems :)
[10:47] <aftertaf> bob2:  all i told brownie17 to do was update-rc.d remove evms
[10:48] <bob2> aftertaf: okiedokie
[10:48] <angelus__1969> has anyone been able to burn the new test Breezy for PPC??
[10:48] <bob2> that is not going to break gnome, tho
[10:48] <djib> what the hell is that drrakn ?
[10:48] <fluvvell> bob2: urk! I made a new /dev while in livecd and get a kernel panic now when rebooting
[10:48] <Cashel> djib, you ever use vmware? hows qemu compare?
[10:48] <jack-> wonder why nothing appears in package selection, except for ubuntu desktop..
[10:48] <linner> i guess i'm curious why in the world would anyone want to dual boot linux and windows?  the whole point is to move away from windoze I thought.
[10:48] <fluvvell> says- no dev/console
[10:48] <bob2> fluvvell: and the panic is...
[10:48] <drrakn> djib: their new (not released) chipset with better virtualization support
[10:48] <djib> Cashel: vmware is not free, a firend of mine has an xp running very well under vmware
[10:48] <ompaul> djib,  did you get that
[10:48] <bob2> linner: how is that the "whole point"?  people can use whatever they want for whatever purpose they want
[10:49] <fluvvell> bob2: not syncing attempting to kill
[10:49] <djib> ompaul: yes
[10:49] <drrakn> djib: which should allow xen to work with XP (unmodified)
[10:49] <djib> ompaul: thank you
[10:49] <jamey3> linner, because quite a few people use windows for gaming, linux for everything else
[10:49] <linner> bob2:  yes, I agree... and I'm just wondering why they'd want to dual boot
[10:49] <djib> i'll try in a few seconds
[10:49] <linner> jamey3:  ahhh... got it...
[10:49] <ompaul> djib, it will remove the firewall
[10:49] <brownie17> zcat[1] : no i didn't. i'm too scared, and obviously for good reason
[10:49] <Cashel> djib, I know I've got vmware ... just wondering how qemu compares in functionality?
[10:49] <bob2> linner: some people like playing games, or using some obscure app that doens't run in wine
[10:49] <djib> drrakn: wat is xen ?
[10:49] <linner> bob2:  got it...
[10:49] <Sav^> Im following a howto and go to the line "I changed my repo sources to breezy for a moment, downloaded linux-source-2.6.12 (2.6.12 kernel with ubuntu patches)", can anyone help me explain what breezy-source is?
[10:49] <drrakn> djib: virtualization software, vaguely like vmware
[10:49] <linner> bob2:  wasn't trying to offend; trying to understand....
[10:50] <jamey3> linner, I really wish they could somehow write platform-independent games or something
[10:50] <djib> qemu is much slower if you don't use qemu accelerator
[10:50] <djib> but it is pretty good
[10:50] <drrakn> djib: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/
[10:50] <linner> jamey3:  I'll betcha they can...
[10:50] <brownie17> bob2: are you sure bum will help me? becasue i am having a littel bit of trouble installing it
[10:50] <zcat[1] > hmm.. well I agree just removing or dissabling evms shouldn't have killed gnome or anything.
[10:50] <djib> ok drrakn thanks
[10:50] <bob2> Sav^: ignore that howto, it's wrong
[10:50] <drrakn> djib: np
[10:50] <bob2> Sav^: go to packages.ubuntu.com, search for that package, and download and install it
[10:50] <jamey3> Can someone help me with an apache rewrite rule?
[10:51] <brownie17> bob2: is it possible that the HAL error was a one-time thing?
[10:51] <bob2> Sav^: I'm not sure 2.6.12 will actually work on hoary at all, tho
[10:51] <djib> Cashel: I don't use qemu anymore, and never used vmware myself so I can't really compare ^^
[10:51] <bob2> brownie17: perhaps
[10:51] <djib> ok, i'll be right back
[10:51] <bob2> Sav^: why do you want 2.6.12?
[10:51] <brownie17> bob2: well i will restart, and then you can maybe help me with installing bum
[10:51] <linner> ok ya'll... it's my night night time... so I'll chat with ya'll later... nice to see such a knowledgable crowd!  ya'll take care
[10:51] <fluvvell> bob2: actual error is /sbin/init:  428: cannot open /dev/console: no such file
[10:52] <Sav^> bob2: to get my Acer TM 8101 working http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46536&highlight=8103
[10:52] <fluvvell> bob2: then the kernel panic
[10:52] <angelus__1969> anyone using Ubuntu on ppc??
[10:52] <zcat[1] > yes!! beige g3 ppc :)
[10:53] <bob2> angelus__1969: lots of people do, just ask your question
[10:53] <angelus__1969> I'm trying to burn the new Breezy iso
[10:53] <angelus__1969> anyone any luck with it
[10:53] <jack-> fn~zcat[1] : how did you get it to boot?
[10:53] <bob2> angelus__1969: this sounds more like a mac os problem
[10:53] <bob2> angelus__1969: try a different burning program
[10:53] <jack-> tried that here too, i thought it must be a new world mac or something
[10:53] <nalioth> angelus__1969: use Disk Utility
[10:53] <angelus__1969> bob2: I tried with toast and with dragon burn (which can overburn)
[10:53] <Cashel> ok I'm off for awhile, have fun folks
[10:53] <zcat[1] > Umm.. BootX I think it's called
[10:53] <angelus__1969> bob2: I also tried on a Centos box
[10:54] <jack-> its not included, right?
[10:54] <crashbox> hey, got it fixed, thanks............
[10:54] <jack-> i think the default is yaboot or something
[10:54] <cafuego> urrgh
[10:54] <zcat[1] > nah, getting any linux onto an oldworld mac is a bit of an art.
[10:54] <henk__> I've got windows installed on hda and linux on sda (serial ata). Grub installed itself on the bootrecord of hda, the files for grb are on sda1. The first time i booted into linux, no problem.. but if i boot into windows once, the next time i boot grub says it cannot find stage2 anymore (it can find stage1.5). I re-instaled grub and it happened again, it seems the booting into windows XP somehow get grub confused. Any ideas on what may be happenin
[10:54] <nalioth> angelus__1969: use Disk Utility
[10:54] <jack-> indeed zcat
[10:55] <jack-> same for os x..i never managed, yet
[10:55] <cafuego> zcat[1] : hardly, just a matter of using BootX.
[10:55] <brownie17> would you guys beleive it? that HAL error was a once off thing
[10:55] <brownie17> bob2: worked fine this time
[10:55] <angelus__1969> nalioth: it's burning..... I hope :)
[10:55] <cafuego> jack-: 10.2 and older are generally fine on oldWorld Macs. 10.3 and newer won't install.
[10:55] <zcat[1] > make a minimal (150-200M) partition for macos, install macos, download and install BootX, copy kernel and initrd image off install cd..
[10:55] <jack-> uhh
[10:55] <jack-> thx!
[10:56] <jack-> ill try with jaguar then
[10:56] <jack-> but actually, id love to get ubuntu running hehe
[10:56] <cafuego> just hold down 'c'
[10:56] <zcat[1] > then boot, install, change console, mount HFS partition and copy runtime kernel and initrd for bootx to use..
[10:56] <angelus__1969> does anyone know if breezy works on a rev. 2 Imac G5??
[10:56] <angelus__1969> because 5.04 doesn't :)
[10:57] <jack-> problem with kubuntu-hoary and ubuntu-hoary is, holding c doesnt make it boot
[10:57] <zcat[1] > I should write up a howto.. I've done it twice onc with ubuntu and again with kubuntu
[10:57] <nalioth> angelus__1969: idk what that is, but it hangs during install on my G5 imac (a known bug)
[10:57] <cafuego> angelus__1969: How is hoary faling? (It works fine here)
[10:57] <nalioth> zcat[1] :  >>> wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:57] <cafuego> angelus__1969: Sorry, missed the G5 bit :-)
[10:57] <angelus__1969> cafuego: it boots and then I get a kernel panic
[10:57] <angelus__1969> nalioth: I don't even get to the install stage
[10:58] <jack-> zcat: how can i force my stupid old mac to boot that?
[10:58] <jack-> :<
[10:58] <cafuego> angelus__1969: You could give colony4 a try, but it still can't slow down thge cpu fan afaik.
[10:58] <cafuego> jack-: BootX
[10:58] <zcat[1] > nalioth: there's a howto there already, but some of the steps could have been easier (using pivotroot when the base is already mounted on /target - pointless and confusing!)
[10:58] <jack-> install bootx on my hd first?
[10:58] <angelus__1969> cafuego: that is the iso I'm trying to burn :)
[10:58] <angelus__1969> cafuego: what else is not supported?
[10:59] <nalioth> zcat[1] : so log in and update the steps
[10:59] <nalioth> zcat[1] : that's what a wiki is
[10:59] <zcat[1] > bah, ok..
[10:59] <cafuego> jack-: partition it in the MacOS installer, leave a few GB for linux. Then install Mac OS. Then install BootX on macOS and use it to boot the installer (with the correct initrd image); then
[10:59] <cafuego> angelus__1969: no support for airport express
[11:00] <nalioth> cafuego: the express plugs into the wall, airport extreme is what is inside the case
[11:00] <cafuego> nalioth: yesye
[11:00] <angelus__1969> cafuego: hmmmm airport express is build in ......
[11:00] <angelus__1969> cafuego: how about bluetooth?
[11:00] <djib> hey ompaul
[11:00] <djib> I tried what you said
[11:01] <ompaul> and put nothing in pastebin
[11:01] <djib> I got iptables: Bad built-in chain name
[11:01] <jamey3> Can someone help me with a simple apache mod_rewrite rule?
[11:01] <ompaul> ahh do them one at a time
[11:01] <djib> I tried that
[11:01] <djib> it's the last one who does it
[11:01] <djib> the one with FILTER
[11:02] <ompaul> forward?
[11:02] <djib> it may have to do something with the error I get when I tried and restart network
[11:02] <ompaul> doh!
[11:02] <djib> :homer:
[11:02] <djib> ^^
[11:02] <ompaul> that last one is forward
[11:02] <djib> ok
[11:02] <ompaul> when done restart
[11:02] <djib> (computer or network ?)
[11:03] <ompaul> djib, computer
[11:03] <djib> ok
[11:03] <djib> I'll be right back ^^
[11:03] <ompaul> djib, it should come up okay or you have some other issues
[11:04] <dazvid> when booting up, my "Configuring network" stage takes like 1 minute.. is there a way to cut this down?
[11:04] <angelus__1969> cafuego: is there a site about ubuntu on ppc and what is and isn't supported (in breezy, colony 4)??
[11:05] <Burgundavia> angelus__1969, for all laptops, your wireless is not going to work
[11:05] <nalioth> angelus__1969: irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu   ?
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[11:27] (dazvid/#ubuntu) Somada141, what text editors are you familiar with?
[11:27] (dazvid/#ubuntu) in the console ^
[11:27] (Somada141/#ubuntu) in winXP?
[11:27] (natecull/#ubuntu) I have a slightly dumb X question
[11:27] (Ng/#ubuntu) VoX: are you sure it hasn't just changed a little and nvidia's current release isn't compatible?
[11:27] (Somada141/#ubuntu) oh
[11:28] (djib/#ubuntu) yes ompaul, I wanted to try and fix that...
[11:28] (natecull/#ubuntu) I am getting sick of needing to restart X whenever a rogue app (such as Dosbox) does nasty things to my screen mode
[11:28] (Somada141/#ubuntu) well i'm not familiar with consoles that much
[11:28] (dazvid/#ubuntu) ok
[11:28] (Somada141/#ubuntu) it's my first decent try on Linux
[11:28] (djib/#ubuntu) but If I spend a full day on it, I may as well just spend half a day reconfiguring ^^
[11:28] (natecull/#ubuntu) one would think that X could be set up using client/server magic somehow so that when I ctrl-alt-backspace, all my applications keep running and just reconnect when the X server comes back up
[11:28] (Somada141/#ubuntu) till now i was a Windows guy
[11:28] (djib/#ubuntu) see you as soon as I've reinstalled
[11:28] (ompaul/#ubuntu) djib, it should not be half a day
[11:28] (aftertaf/#ubuntu) !tell Somada141 about cli
[11:28] (VoX/#ubuntu) Ng: nah, there were other issues with it aswell.  Friend of mine is a kernel developer, told me that something happened to 2.6.13 when it was ported from 2.6.12.x, and to steer clear of it(2.6.13) for a while
[11:28] (djib/#ubuntu) we'll se
[11:28] <djib> e
[11:28] <natecull> is it at all possible to configure, say, Ubuntu to act like this?
[11:28] <natecull> is it even possible with GNOME at all?
[11:29] <Ng> VoX: you should be staying with your vendor kernel anyway, but fair enough
[11:29] <dazvid> Somada141, well i use vim, but thats only really for programmers.. there are some more user friendly ones such as gedit. But I dont know which is better to use.. you will have to find one you like :)
[11:29] <Somada141> ok
[11:29] <aftertaf> natecull:  X apps are run as child processes of X, so if you kill X, ...
[11:29] <aftertaf> dazvid:  dempends on what mode you're in too.
[11:29] <natecull> aftertaf: yes, that's precisely what I'm asking if there's a better way to do it. *Why* exactly must apps be run as child processes of X, and not of my user account?
[11:30] <Ng> natecull: you can do that, but you need to use something like Xvnc, which isn't that much fun
[11:30] <aftertaf> if youre stuck without X, good to know how to modify and save
[11:30] <dazvid> aftertaf, what do you mean? is this for the network configuration thing?
[11:30] <aftertaf> dazvid:  no for vim
[11:30] <natecull> Ng: I wouldn't want to run vnc locally, no. But surely X does the whole separation of client vs server thing built in, for free?
[11:30] <dazvid> ah ok
[11:30] <VoX> natecull: because the apps are run within the x environment, not within the local userspace
[11:31] <dazvid> Somada141, type in your console window: cat /etc/fstab
[11:31] <Ng> natecull: they are separated, but they're not persistant in the way you want. There's something called FreeNX too that might do it, but I've never used it/
[11:31] <vegiVamp> grmbl
[11:31] <dazvid> Somada141, and it should print out your device listing
[11:31] <vegiVamp> didn't have network after reboot
[11:31] <natecull> VoX: But I could run those apps on a completely different machine, across the network, couldn't I? And then if I rebooted my local X server, they'd keep running? Or not?
[11:31] <vegiVamp> fixed that, now can't open terminal for some reason...
[11:32] <vegiVamp> wonderful advice in the wiki :-)
[11:32] <Somada141> and the NTFS will be in there?
[11:32] <vegiVamp> I suppose I'll have to update it myself
[11:32] <dazvid> Somada141, no, but thats where you will put it in a second
[11:32] <Somada141> what's the command for that?
[11:32] <VoX> natecull: ahhh i see what your getting at. hmm im not sure
[11:33] <dazvid> Somada141, first, we need to create a directory to mount it.. so type: sudo mkdir /media/windows
[11:33] <natecull> AFAIK both Xvnc and FreeNX are thin-client solutions. I'm thinking about just leveraging the much-vaunted network-transparency of X that's built right in, but on a single machine.
[11:33] <crashbox> Somada141, i was looking for that info to.....just read the comments.....it tells you how to do it
[11:33] <Somada141> ok
[11:35] <dazvid> Somada141, now we want to edit the fstab file.. so type: sudo vim /etc/fstab
[11:35] <crashbox> Somada141, if u have a question, lemme know, i just did it and it worked fine
[11:35] <natecull> I presume there's a good reason why this is a bad idea, but I'm not sure who to ask to find out why exactly it's a bad idea.
[11:35] <VoX> natecull: try in #xorg, they might have an answer
[11:35] <Somada141> ok
[11:36] <cosmos_> I apted hydrogen without problem but when I ran it said can not connect to sound driver, but ALSA sound system is working fine, anybody any idea?
[11:36] <vegiVamp> natecull: you want to run apps that survive a reboot, is that it ?
[11:36] <dazvid> So you have a text file open now Somada141. You want to insert a line at the bottom. so use j to navigate to the bottom of the file, and then hit o to open a new line
[11:37] <dazvid> from there insert this line: /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs user,umask=0222 0 0
[11:37] <Ng> Go ;)
[11:37] <natecull> vegiVamp: I want to run apps that survive an X server restart, yes
[11:37] <natecull> since that's what tends to get corrupted when I try to play games
[11:37] <vegiVamp> natecull: graphical apps won't
[11:37] <natecull> vegiVamp: any particular reason why not?
[11:37] <vegiVamp> not even when they're run remotely
[11:37] <natecull> ah
[11:38] <vegiVamp> because they depend on the interfaces that your X provides
[11:38] <natecull> that seems rather... shortsighted of the X protocol designers
[11:38] <fernando> Hi, I just finished installing ubuntu server, I reboot the computer and it came to a shell, I typed exit to go in the a gui mode, is this the right way to login in ubuntu?, also the system doesn't take my root password. Did I do something wrong?
[11:38] <Ng> it's not really the X designers's fault
[11:38] <vegiVamp> What you can do, however, is run an Xvnc server on a second display, and connect to that using a vnc client
[11:38] <Ng> the application doesn't have to die
[11:38] <Ng> they just tend to because there's no easy alternative
[11:38] <Somada141> do you know where can i find packages for other languages? I installed ubuntu in home where i dont have a connection and i need to get the greek language package
[11:39] <dazvid> Somada141, once you have put that line into the fstab file, you must save it. Hit esc, and then type :wq   (w saves, q exits)
[11:39] <vegiVamp> the apps will then run entirely in the second server and survive your main server's reboot
[11:39] <natecull> Ng: hmm.
[11:39] <VoX> Ng: dont happen to know what version of automake hoary is running, do you?
[11:39] <nalioth> !tell fernando about root
[11:39] <natecull> vegiVamp: yeah, but it's more the corruption of my X environment, I guess, that's happening
[11:40] <vegiVamp> natecull: define
[11:40] <natecull> IE: Dosbox (or some other game) exits, and suddenly my screen is in 640x480 mode, mouse doesn't respond but keyboard does
[11:40] <Ng> natecull: I think the gtk people are working on ways of migrating an app from one X server to another, which ought to also allow them to survive a restart, but that stuff is nowhere near ready yet. I happen to agree with you that this is a major oversight in X, but so far the only people I know of to do this kind of thing on any scale are Windows's Terminal Services and Sun's hotdesking sunray thing I forget the name of ;)
[11:40] <Ng> VoX: I can see pacakges for 1.4, 1.6, 1.7, 1.8 and 1.9
[11:40] <vegiVamp> Ng: terminal services and sunray don't survive reboots either
[11:40] <natecull> at this point, though Linux is still functioning perfectly, I need to at least restart X, which involves killing my open OpenOffice document, my Firefox session, my X-Chat window, etc
[11:40] <vegiVamp> they're just viewscreens on a remote desktop
[11:41] <VoX> Ng: hmmm how would i go about installing automake 1.5 or greater on breezy?
[11:41] <VoX> (its running 1.4)
[11:41] <Ng> vegiVamp: it's the closest thing to them, although I thought the sunray stuff was more native
[11:41] <vegiVamp> no, sunray is just xdmcp with some custom sun extensions
[11:41] <Ng> vegiVamp: I did say "this kind of thing" to imply inequality ;p
[11:41] <Ng> lame
[11:41] <vegiVamp> :-)
[11:41] <natecull> Oh, the reason I'm getting GUI corruption in the first place is that I'm playing games that either use fullscreen mode or OpenGL
[11:41] <Ng> VoX: have you searched with synaptic/apt-cache? it probably has the version you want
[11:41] <akrobat> hi
[11:42] <vegiVamp> then play those on a separate xserver :-)
[11:42] <akrobat> need help
[11:42] <Ng> yeah
[11:42] <dazvid> with what?
[11:42] <natecull> I wouldn't even mind so much if there were a way to set my display back to the right resolution without restarting X
[11:42] <natecull> but when you lose your mouse, that gets annoying
[11:42] <VoX> Ng: yeah, it's telling me that automake 1.4 is the most up-to-date version in breezy
[11:42] <akrobat> command to rar some files
[11:43] <Ng> natecull: vegiVamp makes a good point, Applications->System Tools->New Login will give you a new X server on another console, run the game from that and when it goes wrong, kill it and the main X server will still be running on vt7 as normal :)
[11:43] <Ng> VoX: odd, I'm not running breezy though, so I dunno
[11:43] <natecull> Ng: oooh
[11:43] <natecull> Hmm. By 'another console', what does that mean?
[11:43] <natecull> a virtual console as in alt-F8?
[11:43] <VoX> Ng: ah nevermind, im just a bit thick today
[11:43] <Ng> natecull: yes
[11:44] <vegiVamp> natecull: yes
[11:44] <Ng> vegiVamp: cool, I've only used the Xnest version before to run silly things like E17 ;)
[11:44] <vegiVamp> heh
[11:44] <natecull> okay, that's very cool
[11:44] <akrobat> all: pls tell me command to pack some files with rar in linux
[11:44] <Ng> rar
[11:44] <Ng> ;)
[11:45] <vegiVamp> apt-get install rar; rar :-)
[11:45] <natecull> Hmm. It tells me I'm 'already logged in'
[11:45] <vegiVamp> hmm
[11:45] <vegiVamp> login limit ?
[11:45] <natecull> will that do nasty things if I'm logged in twice as the same user on two different consoles?
[11:45] <vegiVamp> naah
[11:45] <natecull> or is it just being helpful?
[11:45] <Ng> you probably don't want two gnome sessions running
[11:45] <vegiVamp> why not ?
[11:45] <nalioth> natecull: not at all, go right ahead
[11:45] <Ng> isn't that going to seriously confuse things like gconf? ;)
[11:45] <natecull> hmm. A bunch of stuff failed to load
[11:45] <natecull> I guess GNOME isn't designed to be run on two consoles
[11:46] <nalioth> natecull: you can log in as yourself on all 8 consoles if you like
[11:46] <vegiVamp> strange
[11:46] <natecull> wonder if I can log in as a non-gnome session on the other console
[11:47] <vegiVamp> strangely enough, kde is smart enough to use randomized tempfiles for everything
[11:47] <natecull> specifically, my icons were the 'blank notepad page' icon, and none of my Panel applets ran
[11:47] <natecull> but my panel menus were ok
[11:47] <vegiVamp> natecull: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :-p
[11:47] <Ng> natecull: yes, you can, click on "Sessions" on the login screen
[11:47] <vegiVamp> GAAH