[01:19]  * tsimonq2 hopes that nobody else will upload a no-change rebuild of qtbase so the Qt transition isn't delayed by another week because of the obnoxious queues...
[01:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: starpu-contrib [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/multiverse) [1.2.2+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[02:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: starpu-contrib [amd64] (bionic-proposed/multiverse) [1.2.2+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[09:22] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, libsdl2 will migrate once the ffmpeg test is finished
[09:22] <LocutusOfBorg> it is not a transition
[09:22] <LocutusOfBorg> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/bionic/update_output_notest.txt
[09:23] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't see that entangling TBH
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-widest-line [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [1.2.2-1]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted starpu-contrib [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [1.2.2+dfsg-1]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted starpu-contrib [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [1.2.2+dfsg-1]
[09:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libsdl2 (xenial-proposed/universe) [2.0.4+dfsg1-2ubuntu2 => 2.0.4+dfsg1-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (lubuntu, ubuntukylin)
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, to avoid you loosing time: https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+build/13712897 this seems to be a problem
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> needs upstream patching and there seems to be none, I'm opening an issue
[10:50] <LocutusOfBorg> https://github.com/jgm/gitit/issues/607
[11:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: node-ansi-align [amd64] (bionic-proposed/none) [2.0.0-1] (no packageset)
[11:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-ansi-align [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [2.0.0-1]
[17:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rpm [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.14.0+dfsg1-2] (no packageset)
[17:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rpm [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.14.0+dfsg1-2] (no packageset)
[17:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rpm [i386] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.14.0+dfsg1-2] (no packageset)
[17:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rpm [s390x] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.14.0+dfsg1-2] (no packageset)
[17:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rpm [arm64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.14.0+dfsg1-2] (no packageset)
[17:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rpm [armhf] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.14.0+dfsg1-2] (no packageset)
[19:53] <juliank> Bug 1613184 is not actually triggered on xenial, but it seems pointless to pull back the SRU for that - it might help third-party code, who knows. We should do our best next week to get these apt SRUs out, I've tried verifying them as far as possible now.
[19:55]  * juliank could write a small program and test it manually
[21:15] <infinity> juliank: I have nothing against fixing one too many bugs.
[21:16] <juliank> infinity: Apparently the major fix for the unattended-upgrades graceful termination is wrong too, though. Never kills anything since sh does not forward signals to children.
[21:16] <juliank> bug 1690980, that is
[21:17] <juliank> Not sure what the behavior is on shutdown now
[21:17] <juliank> So we might have to do new SRUs anyway :/
[21:17] <infinity> Fun.
[21:20] <juliank> Maybe rbalint has some time to test this properly next week, it's his patch after all :)
[21:20] <juliank> (during shutdown, that is)
[21:21] <juliank> If it still works on shutdown, then it's suboptimal but still fixes the issue :)
[21:21] <juliank> Though it might wait endlessly for an upgrade to complete, who knows
[21:21] <infinity> Isn't that sort of the point?
[21:22] <infinity> The bug was that it wasn't waiting.
[21:22] <juliank> Sort of. We have it exit early, though
[21:23] <juliank> When it's safe to do so
[21:23] <infinity> terminating mid-install is almost never safe.
[21:24] <juliank> u-u has special logic for that sort of thing to complete to a safe state and then exit
[21:25] <juliank> But let's discuss that thing next week :)
[21:25] <infinity> Yeah, I'm only barely awake.
[21:25] <infinity> Plus Saturday.
[21:25] <infinity> Plus I clearly lost some context on this one.
[21:25] <infinity> Not surpising, given the months of back and forth.
[21:25] <infinity> Nor surprising.
[21:26] <juliank> But let's just summarize that shell sucks
[21:27] <infinity> Well, yes.  It does.  But we can make it not suck for this case, I'm just curious what the actual use-case *is*.
[21:35] <juliank> But if we do, we can at least pull in "ignore unsupported key formats in apt-key" as well - people are going to be so happy about it :)
[21:35] <juliank> (I think it actually writes warnings, though, not silently ignores them :D)


[00:00] <ledeni> noalternative:  ops termbin.com*
[00:04] <noalternative> leden WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
[00:04] <noalternative> usage: nc [-46CDdFhklNnrStUuvZz] [-I length] [-i interval] [-M ttl]
[00:04] <noalternative> 	  [-m minttl] [-O length] [-P proxy_username] [-p source_port]
[00:04] <noalternative> 	  [-q seconds] [-s source] [-T keyword] [-V rtable] [-W recvlimit] [-w timeout]
[00:04] <noalternative> 	  [-X proxy_protocol] [-x proxy_address[:port]] 	  [destination] [port]
[00:04] <noalternative> sorry should have pastebinned
[00:04] <noalternative> that was the responce to the command
[00:06] <ledeni> noalternative: apt-get list --installed | grep 'synaptics' | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:08] <noalternative> leden https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NJTHHGTfwq/
[00:08] <noalternative> didn't work bad combination of commands
[00:09] <auk> hmm maybe apt-cache instead of apt-get ?
[00:10] <ledeni> noalternative: try again 'apt list --installed | grep 'synaptics' | nc termbin.com 9999'
[00:12] <noalternative> leden.   This is the response. WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
[00:12] <CarlFK> ledeni: termbin is nice - thanks
[00:14] <noalternative> ledeni sorry for mispelling.  My eyesite is poor sometimes
[00:16] <ledeni> can you give us ' lsb_release -a | nc termbin.com 9999'
[00:16] <ledeni> noalternative: ^^
[00:17] <noalternative> ledeni :No LSB modules are available.
[00:17] <noalternative> https://termbin.com/91el
[00:21] <noalternative> should I be pastebining console responses as short as the last one?
[00:21] <noalternative> I am not experienced on irc
[00:22] <ledeni> noalternative:  try to install 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics'
[00:23] <ledeni> noalternative:  logout and try your touchpad
[00:24] <tomreyn> noalternative: anything spanning >2 lines should go on paste.ubuntu.com (you can install the pastebinit package and then output into |pastebinit ) or termbin.com
[00:24] <noalternative> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v7DFskFSc4/   didn't work because of dependencies
[00:24] <noalternative> ledeni, that reply was to you.
[00:26] <tomreyn> noalternative: for some background, there is a migration taking place away from synaptics towards libinput. synaptics is no longer getting updates, but for some features may still be useful. For managing the touchpad from gnome-shell (default ubuntu 18.04 desktop environment) you'll want to use libinput, though.
[00:26] <tomreyn> !hwe | a newer kernel and X stack *may* be of help, noalternative
[00:27] <Bashing-om> !info xserver-xorg-core bionic | noalternative
[00:30] <ledeni> noalternative: 1) sudo apt-get install aptitude 2) sudo aptitude update and 3)sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[00:35] <noalternative> ledeni: Ok I did that.  Do you want me to reboot it?
[00:35] <noalternative> Or would you like my output?
[00:36] <noalternative> It removed some things it said Budgie needed, so I am worried now?
[00:37] <noalternative> ledeni:  Here is my output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KZc4K4XBDD/
[00:38] <Bashing-om> noalternative: Reading ^ .
[00:38] <Bashing-om> noalternative: "17 not upgraded." Yuk .. reading some more .
[00:43] <plongshot> If I want to alias a command that requires a flag be placed at the end of the command (after unique data like <path> or <ref>) - then is there a way to make an alias for that command? when you have to interpose some unique identifier before the rest of the command is given?
[00:44] <noalternative> brb
[00:44] <Bashing-om> noalternative: Hummm... try. and show us ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' See were we go from there.
[00:45] <ph88> hey guys i try to install this package with apt https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/gretl but it says package not found. I just type  sudo apt install gretl and i'm on ubuntu 18.10  .. what could i be doing wrong ?
[00:46] <Bashing-om> !info  and i'm on ubuntu 18.10  .. what could i be
[00:46] <Bashing-om>               doing wrong ?
[00:46] <plongshot> And can an existing command name be used as an alias name and result to changing the behavior of that command?
[00:47] <Bashing-om> !info gretl cosmic
[00:48] <Bashing-om> ph88: Make sure that you have the universe repo enabled ^^ .
[00:51] <ph88> Bashing-om, i have it enabled
[00:54] <ph88> https://bpaste.net/show/b5992a476e8b  ??
[00:58] <Bashing-om> ph88: no, we want to know if a universe is available, What shows ' cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -i universe ' ?
[00:59] <ph88> https://bpaste.net/show/c0d4f2a2d513
[00:59] <ph88> i checked if universe was enabled with the GUI tool
[00:59] <ph88> "Software & Updates"
[01:00] <Bashing-om> !info gretl cosmic
[01:00] <ph88> it's the same info as you gave a few minutes ago, is it not ?
[01:00] <noalternative> back going to do an upgrade
[01:03] <noalternative> that was to Bashing-om
[01:03] <noalternative> I am going to dist-upgrade too
[01:03] <Bashing-om> ph88: Yeah .. same same .. and yes I do not see any errors from that end . Maybe your mirror ? . what shows ' apt list gretl ' ?
[01:03] <ph88> Listing... Done
[01:04] <Bashing-om> noalternative: ' sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade' .
[01:05] <noalternative> Bashing-om: ok then i'll do the other command after a reboot. So I maybe leaving for a short time.
[01:05] <noalternative> or do you want me to show output before rebooting?
[01:06] <Bashing-om> noalternative: Be good to know now if there are any issues, so yes seeing that output could be a good thing.
[01:06] <noalternative> ok
[01:07] <Bashing-om> ph88: Got me .. are you behind some kind of proxy ? I show here : "apt list gretl >> gretl/bionic 2017d-3build1 amd64" .
[01:08] <ph88> no proxy
[01:08] <ph88> when i do  apt-cache search php  for example i get results ..
[01:08] <ph88> maybe if i switch mirror
[01:09] <Bashing-om> ph88: Switching the mirror is worth the shot, as the package is there, and you should have access to it.
[01:09] <ph88> maybe it's got to do something with my cleaner cleaning some stuff from apt
[01:09] <ph88> i remember now i did that earlier
[01:10] <ph88> ok anyway after switching mirror and reload sources it works again
[01:10] <Bashing-om> ph88: Do not see how "cleaning" could affect what apt is able to fetch ;(
[01:11] <ph88> me neither :(
[01:11] <noalternative> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fhCgM8T8Km/
[01:12] <Bashing-om> ph88: Anyway .. now if you were to go back to the old mirror is the issue present ? For just the general interrest for you.
[01:14] <Bashing-om> noalternative: Looks good now ... touchpad now working >
[01:15] <noalternative> No, it isn't working yet.
[01:15] <noalternative> Should I reboot?
[01:15] <noalternative> or do something else? Bashing-om/
[01:16] <Bashing-om> noalternative: Well, a re-boot certainly can not hurt. Then see if you have touchpad operational.
[01:16] <noalternative> Ok brb.
[01:21] <cstk421> dumb question. do bash scripts run commands in order ? and if so they will stop at the first command that fails ? or will it run the rest
[01:21] <noalternative> Bashing-on:ledeni awk etc all.  Whatever we did there worked.
[01:22] <noalternative> thanks to the #Ubuntu irc channel for helping me.
[01:22] <Bashing-om> noalternative: :) .. xserver-xorg-input-libinput for the win :)
[01:22] <noalternative> Cool!  I save that in a txt file.
[01:23] <Bashing-om> noalternative: :D .. as pappa told me " a short pencil beats a long memory every time".
[01:24] <leftyfb> cstk421: they can and they can, but only if you tell them to
[01:25] <leftyfb> cstk421: they can run in order if that's all they're written to do. But they can run not in order if you write them not to.
[01:25] <cstk421> ok im not telling them not to for one
[01:26] <cstk421> and as i understand they will continue even if previous command fails
[01:26] <cstk421> ?
[01:26] <leftyfb> cstk421: As for stopping at a command that fails, there is multiple ways for you to stop the script if a command fails. But they typically will not do this on their own. One way is to set the interpreter to #!/bin/bash -e. Or set -e I think it is
[01:26] <cstk421> ah
[01:26] <cstk421> ok thanks
[01:26] <cstk421> it is set -e
[01:27] <cstk421> thank you leftyfb
[01:27] <leftyfb> cstk421: if you need further help with bash, I suggest #bash. Though be warned, they are not very nice over there, but they do know their stuff.
[01:27] <cstk421> :0
[01:27] <cstk421> yeah im in a few channels like that :)
[01:27] <cstk421> but thank you
[01:41] <Hulio> I finally gave up fucking installing AMDGPU-PRO for ubuntu 18.04, never work
[01:41] <Hulio> is there ubuntu 19.10 ?
[01:41] <Sushi-san> oh yeah, I tried that a few months ago, Hulio
[01:42] <Sushi-san> Doesn't work, typically
[01:42] <Hulio> yeah man, too complicated
[01:43] <Hulio> how to know what ubuntu i have?
[01:43] <Hulio> how to check via command line
[01:44] <Sushi-san> Hulio, first result from google: https://www.hostingadvice.com/how-to/ubuntu-show-version/
[01:44] <Hulio> Sushi-san, i see, this is what i have: Release:	19.04
[01:45] <Hulio> so there isn't 19.10
[01:45] <Hulio> I've heard that they will fix the AMDGPU-PRO in 19.10 version
[01:45] <Sushi-san> No. It goes by YY/MM
[01:45] <Sushi-san> We are nowhere near October
[01:46] <Hulio> Sushi-san, do you know any good thing for ubuntu?
[01:46] <Sushi-san> What?
[01:46] <Hulio> so far i love it
[01:46] <Hulio> but I have not seen any software for it
[01:47] <Hulio> not very useful at the moment
[01:47] <Hulio> boring than windows OS
[01:47] <leftyfb> Hulio: 19.04 is not released or supported yet.
[01:47] <Hulio> so, anything you know for ubuntu that want to share?
[01:48] <Hulio> at least i have Nero 4.0 install :)
[01:48] <Hulio> and hexchat
[01:48] <leftyfb> Hulio: This is a support channel. Feel free to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:22] <shalok> Since upgrading from 16 to 18, xbacklight is no longer able to change the brightness of my display?
[02:22] <shalok> Anyone else experienced this issue and know how to fix it?
[02:42] <sabrehagen> Is there a naming error in the libgconf-2-4 package? It was previously libgconf2-5 in cosmic, and the dev package is still named libgconf2-dev.
[02:42] <sabrehagen> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libgconf&searchon=names&suite=disco&section=all
[02:44] <sabrehagen> *previously named libgconf2-4 in cosmic
[02:49] <CarlFK> im trying to port this to bionic: https://github.com/timvideos/litex-buildenv/wiki/HowTo-LCA2018-FPGA-Miniconf#debian-network-setup
[02:49] <CarlFK> what's the new network thing called?
[02:50] <shalok> I ended up finding another program called `brightnessctl` which works fine so I'm just using that instead.
[02:51] <CarlFK> netplan is the term. now I know what to google for :p
[03:00] <railgun> zer0des admin online?
[03:06] <plongshot> The following problem started happening whenever I open a terminal. I have node on my maching cause I play with various programming as a hobby. Can anyone assist?
[03:06] <plongshot> I have nvm as well but not familiar with its use very well
[03:21] <DaGodFather> G'night
[03:26] <plongshot> peace out DaGodFather
[03:55] <Mcavity> hello!
[03:56] <Mcavity> anyone good with nvida driver issues on 18.10?
[03:57] <Bashing-om> Mcavity: I will not admit to being any good, but I do have some amount of experience. What leads you to ask ?
[03:58] <Mcavity> i have installed the closed sourse drivers for my card.. however its not quite working right.
[03:59] <Mcavity> once i got the driver in an di ran the phoronix graphics test for open area i get over 100 fps..
[03:59] <Bashing-om> Mcavity: K;, and how did you install ? and what is the card we are working with ? pastebin ' sudo lshw -C display' . See where we go from there.
[03:59] <Mcavity> however if i install open area from the ubuntu software library and run it i get  something like 5 fps..
[04:00] <Mcavity> m8600
[04:00] <spinningCat> Ubuntu can not connect hotspot why is that?
[04:00] <spinningCat> What can i do?
[04:01] <Mcavity> let me see what i can do about pastbin..
[04:02] <Mcavity> https://pastebin.com/Ly2rWBQi
[04:02] <Bashing-om> Mcavity: checking ^ .
[04:04] <Mcavity> i have the same issue with nexuiz
[04:05] <Mcavity> runs great under the benchmark.. but if i install it via the ubutu software aplication somehow it seems like it doesnt run on the driver right
[04:05] <Mcavity> thanks
[04:06] <Bashing-om> Mcavity: Well, a nvidia driver is installed, which one ? ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' , Nvidia recommends the latest 418 version driver.
[04:09] <Mcavity> yea i have an old card so
[04:09] <Mcavity> https://pastebin.com/S6r07qCa
[04:09] <Mcavity> its 340
[04:09] <Mcavity> i dont think the latest drivers support this card
[04:10] <Mcavity> [its the driver ubuntu recomends]
[04:10] <Bashing-om> Mcavity: Opps I dropped a zero .. lemme recalibrate.
[04:11] <Mcavity> no problem i appreciate you looking
[04:12] <Mcavity> other than this issue the latest ubuntu install justabout flawlesley on this laptop.
[04:16] <Bashing-om> Mcavity: Confirmed that the 340 version driver is correct. Si next is to know that the GPU manager is in a haapy state. ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' .
[04:18] <Mcavity> https://pastebin.com/mz2JxHcj
[04:19] <Mcavity> looks good to me
[04:20] <Bashing-om> Mcavity: Yup .. no issue seen there either, Is the game the only fault that you see ?
[04:21] <Mcavity> so far only games
[04:21] <Mcavity> but not if run from the benchmark program
[04:21] <Mcavity> they run fine then.
[04:22] <Bashing-om> Mcavity: Well, over my head here. Let's see if others with greater skills will advise.
[04:23] <Mcavity> thnaks for looking
[04:23] <Mcavity> thanks
[04:24] <Bashing-om> Mcavity: :) Of interest, just do not know what now to advise in this use case.
[04:24] <excelsiora> what things should I be checking out on my laptop before I wipe Windows and install Ubuntu?
[04:24] <excelsiora> wifi seems to work.
[04:25] <Mcavity> get a copy of your windows key just in case lol
[04:26] <excelsiora> how do I do that?
[04:26] <excelsiora> isn't that in the bios?
[04:26] <Bashing-om> excelsiora: I often see the advise not to go cold turkey off Windows .. culture shock !
[04:27] <excelsiora> new laptop, not noob to ubuntu!
[04:27] <Bashing-om> excelsiora: Oustanding :)
[04:30] <excelsiora> what else to check out?
[04:31] <Mcavity> well thanks Bashing-om
[04:31] <Mcavity> i think im going to crash for now.
[04:32] <Mcavity> ill try again later. to tired to dig in deep.
[04:46] <toothe> Hi all. I am looking to install Mixmaster, but I don't see the package.
[04:46] <toothe> apt install mixmaster doesn't seem to work.
[04:46] <toothe> it comes back saying "package mixmaster is not available, but referred by another package."
[05:04] <fling> How to batch download from a google drive folder?
[05:14] <railgun> anyone can give me some nudge on zer0des or ghost pepper? i was able to gain the foothold..
[05:28] <CarlFK> I need help migrating this to netplan:   /etc/network/interfaces.d/    https://github.com/CarlFK/video-stack-bin-chicken/blob/master/scripts/howto/lca2018/lca-setup_eth.cfg
[05:29] <CarlFK> that gets added to the existing, typically dhcp.  might be I need to know  how to do :1 in yaml
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> CarlFK: can this help anyhow? looks like a clean tut: https://www.linux.com/learn/intro-to-linux/2018/9/how-use-netplan-network-configuration-tool-linux
[05:37] <CarlFK> lotuspsychje: thanks, but no help.  I need to know how to specify a 2nd .. virtual interface?  whatever the foo:1 gets me from the old way
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> CarlFK: all the guides i browse mention the edit of the yaml, and add your route there
[05:43] <CarlFK> I think I found it on https://netplan.io/reference  "most available features"
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> CarlFK: fail-over-ip is that what you need?
[05:45] <CarlFK> I need dhcp to give a 192.168.1.x so I can ssh to the box, I need <IP_ADDRESS> so that it can talk to another device : <IP_ADDRESS> (that is very static)
[05:49] <Jojero> Hi! Any developer here?
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> Jojero: ask your ubuntu question
[05:49] <Jojero> Im just new on IRC. :P Not much friends.
[05:50] <Jojero> Oh! Yes sorry, does ubuntu have only gnome installation no more option for other desktop manager like unity?
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> Jojero: yes it has, the user can install the DE of his choice
[05:51] <Jojero> Because last time I install ubuntu it has choice after I boot to Unity 8 / Gnome which feels it bloats the system.
[05:51] <Jojero> And last does Ubuntu really makes laptop hot? Or 38 degrees c?
[05:51] <Jojero> It's like burning. :(
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> Jojero: pastebin your dmesg we can have a look
[05:52] <ahoneybun> 38 C is pretty cool really.
[05:52] <Jojero> I feel hot
[05:52] <ahoneybun> now 90+C is hot
[05:52] <Gerowen> 38c is totally normal
[05:52] <Jojero> When I touch the face right next to my touch pad.
[05:52] <ahoneybun> The keyboard or the fan vents?
[05:52] <Jojero> keyboard and the face of the fan vents
[05:53] <Jojero> oh no the speaker*
[05:53] <Jojero> im using asus x455lj
[05:53] <ahoneybun> Ubuntu is shipping with GNOME as the default unless you use one of the flavors.
[05:53] <Jojero> So no more unity desktop with it?
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> Jojero: unity can still be installed
[05:54] <Jojero> I mean its not pre packaged?
[05:54] <ahoneybun> I think the package is ubuntu-unity-desktop
[05:54] <Jojero> I mean if I install gnome no more unity?
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> Jojero: read what ahoneybun just said
[05:55] <ahoneybun> sudo apt install ubuntu-unity-desktop
[05:55] <xmetal> dont want to get off topic but i did use 18.04 and had Gnome and Unity 7 working fine side by  side
[05:55] <Jojero> I mean if I install gnome no more unity?
[05:55] <xmetal> after the upgrade to 18.10 the unity side got a little buggy
[05:55] <Jojero> Oh sorry, not that I accidentally pres arrow up
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> Jojero: please dont repeat the same questions 3 times in a row
[05:56] <Jojero> Yes yes, I just accidentally press arrow up key. Sorry.
[05:57] <ahoneybun> Jojero: if you install Unity you will have both Unity and GNOME when you login.
[05:57] <ahoneybun> There will be a gear icon at the login screen so you can choose which one you want to use at that time.
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> xmetal: to have a more stable experience, stay on LTS
[05:58] <Jojero> Thanks!
[05:59] <Jojero> Ahm guys last, in dev works really linux is better? I mean like more flexible and yet stable especially using command lines?
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> Jojero: thats offtopic here
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> !chat | Jojero use this
[06:00] <Jojero> Thanks!
[06:03] <Dice> Does anyone know why a file in ubuntu just won't save after making changes?
[06:04] <Dice> It says it's saved but it just reverts back
[06:04] <userbb> what exactly do u mean Dice?
[06:04] <xmetal> you dont have ownership/permissions for that specific file would be my guess
[06:04] <Dice> I'm doing it through sudo
[06:05] <Dice> I managed to keep the changes for a while but it reverted back again
[06:05] <Dice> it's a yml file for an irc bot
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> Dice: sudo on GUI is disabled on ubuntu now
[06:07] <Dice> i dont know what that means
[06:07] <Dice> but there are no permission errors
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> Dice: why are you editing a file with sudo?
[06:08] <Dice> because it's owned by another user
[06:09] <ahoneybun> lotuspsychje: still works here on Disco. sudo gedit /etc/gdm3/custom.conf
[06:10] <Dice> the file keeps the changes until the bot that is associated with the .yml file starts, after that it reverts back for some unexplainable reason
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> ahoneybun: they removed gksu and its not reccomended running GUI as root you know that too right
[06:12] <ahoneybun> Dice: does the bot has a user account? it may be better to change to that user and then edit the file.
[06:12] <ahoneybun> lotuspsychje: kinda need to be root to edit a file in /
[06:12] <ahoneybun> unless one does 'sudo su'
[06:13] <Dice> ahoneybun: I've been able to set up and change settings like this before
[06:13] <Dice> I managed to edit the changes earlier today as well
[06:14] <Dice> I have permissions
[06:15] <the2048> Are you running the bot as root? (run it after running sudo su) Try that
[06:15] <the2048> Although I most likely am being horribly unhelpful though
[06:15] <Ben64> probably a bad idea to be running an irc bot as root
[06:15] <the2048> Yeah most likely
[06:16] <the2048> It'd be better to try to move it to your home folder or something so that you aren't encountering any root issues
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> ahoneybun: you can enter nautilus with admin:/// for example
[06:17] <Dice> Ben64: I'm not running the irc bot as root, that's why I have to edit the files with sudo
[06:18] <Dice> I have one user, irc bot is run by another user
[06:18] <ahoneybun> lotuspsychje: have to say I didn't know about that.
[06:18] <ahoneybun> thanks
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> np ahoneybun
[06:20] <Ben64> Dice: just switch to the other user
[06:45] <the2048> So randomly after a day of uptime I'll encounter that my temperature sensors desire to read -5 degrees Celsius (except HDDs)
[06:46] <gde33> mine do that after going well over 100 c
[06:47] <the2048> Hmm
[06:47] <the2048> All I've seen is that I'll go for a bagel or something and I'll come back to 83 RPM on the CPU cooler fan, -5 Celsius for almost everything
[07:15] <yousun123> ?
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> yousun123: can we help you?
[07:23] <ryuo> lotuspsychje: you scared them off. :o
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> :p
[07:31] <Sterist> if I'm copying a folder from my desktop, to my localhost directory (owned by root) via terminal, it is sudo I use?
[07:31] <Ben64> Sterist: localhost directory?
[07:32] <Sterist> yes, /var/www/html
[07:33] <Sterist> I believe that is the default location, of which it is currently configured
[07:33] <Ben64> yeah you can sudo cp file destination
[07:34] <Sterist> another question, should the first "/" be prepended or just "sudo cp /blah/blah /bam/bam"
[07:34] <Ben64> i don't see the difference
[07:34] <Ben64> prepended would be with a / at the beginning, which your example has
[07:35] <Sterist> prepend the / as in, something before the /
[07:35] <ryuo> Sterist: whether you use a / or not determines whether the path is absolute or relative to your current directory.
[07:35] <Sterist> that wasn't necessarily the question, but, that is something I did not know. thank you :)
[07:36] <ryuo> Sterist: it basically was. you were wondering when to prepend the / essentially.
[08:03] <u0_a269> hello
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> welcome u0_a269
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> how can we help you?
[08:03] <u0_a269> just testing out this irssi terminal irc chat program
[08:03] <u0_a269> have you used it before?
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> u0_a269: we focus on ubuntu issues in this channel, you can /join #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[08:05] <u0_a269> sure
[08:33] <zetheroo> connecting with 18.04 to work VPN using 'openvpn --config file.ovpn' I see this is the output: Unrecognized option or missing or extra parameter(s) in [PUSH-OPTIONS]:6: register-dns
[09:19] <zeekhuge[m]> Okay so, I was using unetbootin to make a Ubuntu bootable drive, and I dont know how, I clicked "okay" when it was set on HDD. Now, I closed it the next moment, but some directories were added to the / . So, I need some help clearing those directories. Although I have some idea what dirs are safe to remove, yet I need some confirmation. I have following directories : http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RrdDt5hdq8/
[09:19] <zeekhuge[m]> Please help me tell which of these can be safely deleted. (Maybe pastebin your ls -l ?)
[09:35] <nonix4b> "loginctl unlock-session 5" => audit: type=1107 audit(1553420062.030:3831): pid=704 uid=103 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 msg='apparmor="DENIED" operation="dbus_signal"  bus="system" path="/org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/Authority"
[09:35] <nonix4b> interface="org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority" member="Changed" name=":1.10" mask="receive" pid=621 label="snap.uefi-fw-tools.fwupd" peer_pid=746 peer_label="unconfined"
[09:37] <nonix4b> how do I change apparmor temporarily to complain-only mode?
[09:49] <blackflow> nonix4b: aa-complain <profile>
[09:58] <nonix4b> blackflow: how do I map the audit message to profile names?
[10:01] <blackflow> nonix4b: there should be comm="<executable>" in the trail but there isn't, and I see now what that is that's a snap confinement profile. huh, I'm not sure what to do here exactly because snaps dont' allow you to override their profiles (I've filed a bug about that). I guess you can temporarily stop entire appamor.
[10:02] <nonix4b> blackflow: 'k... guess I need to do that for a short while, just to unlock a frozen X session
[10:03] <inspectorcluseau> ;;tlast
[10:07] <nonix4b> blackflow: wonder whether installing snappy-debug would give further info?
[10:08] <blackflow> nonix4b: I don't know, but from that trail it appears that maybe the snap needs an interface enabled? If you wanna pursue this, you could ask on the snapcraft.io forums
[10:14] <nonix4b> hrm "apparmor stop" mentions that "teardown" would be needed... but can that be scoped to just the issue mentioned above?
[10:15] <nonix4b> blackflow: also, your bug report #?
[10:16] <blackflow> nonix4b: I don't know, the interaction between AA and snaps is a bit of an unknown to me as namespacing/container awareness is a relatively recent adittion to AA, and I think snaps have only one big profile defined in the core that is modified by interfaces.
[10:17] <blackflow> nonix4b: bug #1761496
[10:18] <supay> hi, getting kernel panic, vfs can't mount on grub
[10:19] <super_koza> Hi!
[10:19] <super_koza> I am having problems installing Ubuntu on my desktop PC.
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> super_koza: explain whats happening so volunteers can think along with you
[10:21] <super_koza> When booting from USB I choose to Install it and then the purple background with Ubuntu logo and dots beneath is shown breafly. After some time it dissapears, however I can hear the chimes as when the system is booted...
[10:21] <super_koza> The monitor goes to the power saving mode.
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> super_koza: during the setup or after the install booting?
[10:22] <freakyy> hi all. is it possible to install gnome 3.32 in ubuntu 18.10?
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> !mix | freakyy
[10:28] <user__> helloo
[10:28] <nonix4b> freakyy: you might be interested in 19.04 instead
[10:28] <user__> ok
[10:28] <user__> ok
[10:28] <user__> ok
[10:28] <super_koza> lotuspsychje: during the setup
[10:28] <user__> wats
[10:28] <user__> omg
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> super_koza: during setup its normal monitor goign blank for energy saving
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> super_koza: press a key to go back
[10:29] <super_koza> No no
[10:29] <super_koza> You got me wrong
[10:29] <user__> super koza ai you romanian
[10:29] <super_koza> user__: No :)
[10:30] <user__> ok
[10:30] <super_koza> lotuspsychje: so I boot and choose USB
[10:30] <user__> no
[10:30] <user__> no
[10:30] <user__> no
[10:30] <user__> no
[10:30] <super_koza> then there is the Grub bootloader and I choose to install or to try it
[10:30] <super_koza> doesn't matter
[10:31] <super_koza> then I see the ubuntu logo and dots below it
[10:31] <user__> emojy
[10:31] <super_koza> and after a second or two
[10:31] <super_koza> the display turns off
[10:31] <super_koza> and I hear the sound from the system
[10:31] <super_koza> as if it was logging in
[10:31] <user__> superkoza disconexted?
[10:31] <super_koza> I can't get the display to turn on after
[10:32] <super_koza> user__: what?
[10:32] <user__> super koza!
[10:32] <user__> yey
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> super_koza: try F1 to textboot and see whats going on in there
[10:32] <blackflow> super_koza: please ignore the trolls.
[10:32] <mouses> super_koza: Have you tried passing NOMODESET to the boot?
[10:32] <super_koza> mouses: no I didn't
[10:33] <mouses> https://askubuntu.com/questions/207175/what-does-nomodeset-do
[10:33] <super_koza> I should mention that I have an Intel system with GTX 970 GPU
[10:33] <mouses> ooooo nice
[10:33] <super_koza> I have tried switching the cable to the HDMI port on the mainboard
[10:33] <super_koza> but that didn't help
[10:33] <adrdor> Hi, im first time on IRC. Hello World!
[10:34] <mouses> adrdor: welcome!
[10:34] <user__> super koza
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> super_koza: GTX cards needs the nvidia drivers from the ubuntu graphics ppa
[10:34] <user__> troll
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> !ops | user__ troll & flood
[10:35] <user__> ha,ha,ha
[10:35] <adrdor> im not troll rly
[10:35] <adrdor> im form PL
[10:35] <nonix4b> no that was about from another user
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> super_koza: try what mouses suggests and bypass with nomodeset to get in system
[10:35] <super_koza> OK
[10:36] <mouses> super_koza: a nomodeset will get you in long enough to install drivers
[10:36] <mouses> then you should be set!
[10:36] <user__> super koza! yey,yey
[10:36] <super_koza> I tried the text boot but the screen was ON for too short
[10:36] <super_koza> and I couldn't read anything
[10:36] <user__> no
[10:36] <super_koza> I don't get what the problem is
[10:36] <mouses> user__: please take the annoying trolling and off topic comments to PM or other channels
[10:36] <user__> no trolling no
[10:37] <super_koza> because I used to have Ubuntu 18.04 on the system
[10:37] <super_koza> and it worked
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> !enter | super_koza
[10:37] <user__> you are linux zeven os
[10:37] <super_koza> Now I can't get to the installer.
[10:37] <adrdor> i doing first app on android
[10:38] <super_koza> ubottu: Sorry, I will behave. :)
[10:38] <user__> easy instaler
[10:40] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:41] <supay> hey, unable to boot into elementary os, keeps going back to login screen
[10:42] <blackflow> supay: you're gonna have to ask in #elementary
[10:42] <supay> tried
[10:42] <supay> waiting
[10:43] <mouses> supay: might try ##linux
[10:43] <supay> ah yes
[10:43] <mouses> supay: but #ubuntu = not gonna be able to help you with this :(
[10:43] <supay> makes sense, thank you!
[10:43] <mouses> sorry, wish I knew more - have not used elemnetary in years and years
[10:45] <blackflow> in general consider rather using a distro with alive and well support channels. like, say, dunno.... Ubuntu. :)
[10:56] <lenny_lemon> Hi guys. Having a problem to free some space on ubuntu 16.04
[10:56] <lenny_lemon> I'm new to linux so not that experienced yet
[10:57] <mouses> lenny_lemon: Running low on space?
[10:59] <lenny_lemon> mouses, yes
[10:59] <lenny_lemon> probably badly... try to run counter strike as I played it few days ago and now require install and 811MB space
[11:00] <mouses> lenny_lemon: first up i'd look in your user home directory and considering backing up / removing large files (video eats a lot of space)
[11:00] <lenny_lemon> usually do sudo apt-get autoremove / autoclean / clean after update && upgrade
[11:00] <mouses> lenny_lemon: ya
[11:00] <mouses> lenny_lemon: might want to (in your home directory)
[11:01] <mouses> # du -a | sort -n -r | head -n 10
[11:01] <mouses> witout the #
[11:01] <mouses> that'll show you the 10 largest directorys in your home
[11:01] <mouses> lenny_lemon: if that does not help, maybe look at purging some large packages you don't use
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> !info bleachbit | lenny_lemon
[11:02] <mouses> ubottu: oh cool i've never heard of that
[11:02] <mouses> err, lotuspsychje *
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> mouses: i always use it, clean like several gigs by default
[11:03] <mouses> lotuspsychje: does it have a CLI mode?
[11:03] <lenny_lemon> i have ran it as sudo as u posted above
[11:03] <lenny_lemon> waiting for result
[11:03] <mouses> lenny_lemon: might take a bit
[11:03] <lenny_lemon> got result
[11:03] <mouses> hoh
[11:03] <mouses> oh
[11:03] <mouses> make it easier on your brain
[11:03] <mouses> do this
[11:04] <mouses> # du -ah | sort -n -r | head -n 10
[11:04] <mouses> h = human readable
[11:04] <mouses> will give results in MB/GB vs blocks
[11:05] <lenny_lemon> i'll do some notes as well to keep it in mind :)
[11:06] <mouses> glad to help, let me know if you need any more help!
[11:06] <lenny_lemon> first shown video 3.7GB what i am moving now to other partition
[11:06] <lenny_lemon> but in -ah does not show
[11:06] <lenny_lemon> only steam files
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> lenny_lemon: please dont use this channel to describe every step you try
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> lenny_lemon: only for support questions please
[11:10] <lenny_lemon> mouses, it worked. thanks
[11:11] <mouses> lenny_lemon: yay!
[11:11] <j0seph> Hi all. At the Ubuntu installation screen, I know it is possible to set up full disk encryption with LVM and LUKS. Is it possible to have / is there an option to have the root and home directories in different partitions while setting this up? Thanks!
[11:11] <mouses> j0seph: yes, you
[11:11] <mouses> you need to do manual partitioning
[11:11] <mouses> I believe the button is 'something else' when it asks where to install
[11:12] <j0seph> mouses: Oh yes I see, and you can set up LVM+LUKS this way too?
[11:12] <mouses> j0seph: and bonus points for having seperate / and /home partitions, saves so much headache
[11:12] <mouses> j0seph: yes
[11:13] <j0seph> mouses: ah yes, thanks! yeah, honestly the separate partitions has saved me on multiple occasions in the past. :)
[11:13] <lenny_lemon> i have another question. I don't know what it cause. I disabled touchpad on laptop to use only mouse as is easier but sometimes somehow touchpad activated and when I touch touchpad the cursor randomly crazy jumping cross screen and openes folder on desktop
[11:13] <mouses> same lol
[11:14] <mouses> lenny_lemon: the xinput CLI tool can be useful for this
[11:14] <mouses> lenny_lemon: find the ID number of the touchpad
[11:14] <mouses> and then xinput --disable 11 or whatever number it is
[11:14] <lenny_lemon> mouses, when touchpad activate itself I can see is disabled in settings
[11:14] <mouses> lenny_lemon: yeah, ran into that problem on a oldlaptop with a bad touchpad once
[11:14] <mouses> disable with xinput
[11:15] <mouses> annoying part - you have to do that every boot, automate at own risk as the devide ID number can change
[11:15] <EriC^^> you could possibly automate fetchin the device ID using awk/grep
[11:15] <mouses> EriC^^: good point
[11:15] <mouses> EriC^^: I reboot that laptop 2-3x a year so never bothered
[11:16] <mouses> xD
[11:16] <EriC^^> i wouldn't either :D
[11:17] <lenny_lemon> for me can be very annoying as I write quite a lot and part of my palms touches touchpad and can be messy afterwards when is activated
[11:18] <mouses> I hate that
[11:18] <mouses> similar issues on this Chromebook, the default linux drivers for the touchpad = no palm detection
[11:18] <EriC^^> yeah i meant the whole fetching a device ID, i'd just use the xinput with device id as mouses suggested
[11:18] <mouses> took forever to figure out to hack that in
[11:18] <mouses> lenny_lemon: but yeah use xinput
[11:18] <mouses> xinput --list to get the device ID
[11:18] <mouses> xinput --disable to disable a device
[11:19] <lenny_lemon> mouses, EriC^^ thank you guys. very easy to follow, check and so.
[11:20] <mouses> lenny_lemon: just glad to help!
[11:23] <freakyy> hm ok thanks ;D
[11:32] <AndikaDinata> hallo
[11:32] <AndikaDinata> I am From Indonesian
[11:32] <AndikaDinata> Can you help me??
[11:32] <AndikaDinata> please
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> AndikaDinata: ask a question first please
[11:33] <AndikaDinata> why i am can't using irssi in wsl
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> AndikaDinata: type /join #ubuntu-on-windows for support
[11:34] <j0seph> mouses, when setting up LVM+LUKS via the "Something else" menu, which options would you select for each partition? I had a look, and I assume you use "physical volume for encryption" and select the "Logical Volume" option?
[11:34] <buschhardt> Hallo I've a mouse connected by usb. For a project I connect a old PS2 mouse. The second mouse can also control the cursor. Its possible to request only the events from the PS2 mouse without that mouse control the cursor?
[11:34] <mouses> j0seph: correct
[11:35] <j0seph> mouses: perfect, thank you
[11:35] <mouses> buschhardt: you can disable the mouse you don't want via xinput
[11:35] <mouses> buschhardt: xinput --list to fine the device ID
[11:35] <mouses> buschhardt: xinput --disable id_number to disable it
[11:35] <mouses> buschhardt: xinput --enable id_number to turn it back on
[11:36] <buschhardt> mouses: ok i try :-)
[11:37] <buschhardt> mouses: cool thanx - with evtest i get the evnts :-) perfect
[11:38] <mouses> buschhardt: yay! \o/
[11:38] <mouses> buschhardt: just remember to be careful with xinput after reboots, the ID numbers can change
[11:39] <AndikaDinata> hello
[11:42] <buschhardt> mouses: oh - is there a good way to find the number?
[11:43] <mouses> buschhardt: xinput --list
[11:43] <buschhardt> mouses: maybe the name dont change? ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse
[11:44] <mouses> sounds right
[11:44] <mouses> if you disable it, the events should still be in evtest
[11:44] <mouses> but it won't control the GUI
[11:44] <mouses> ( I think )
[11:44] <mouses> could be wrong xD
[11:45] <buschhardt> mouses: no ist correct - I looking for a cheap input and tha old microsoft mouse do that :-)
[11:55] <tore__> buongiorno
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> !it | tore__
[12:17] <Andika1337> hai
[12:17] <Andika1337> Hi
[12:18] <Andika1337> is there anyone here
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> Andika1337: do you have an ubuntu question?
[12:18] <Andika1337> no
[12:18] <Andika1337> but this quiet
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> Andika1337: this is not a chat, its meant to be silent when there's no support
[12:20] <Andika1337> how to install chaosvpn??
[12:23] <Andika1337> can you help me??
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> Andika1337: chaosvpn has its own support channel
[12:50] <tore__> buongiorno avrei un problema all'avvio di ubuntu 18-04
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> tore__: type /join #ubuntu-it
[12:54] <stefan321> Hi. This is a test
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> stefan321: it works we see you
[12:54] <stefan321> Thank you :)
[13:06] <tete_> hi, can someone tell me if it is possible to somehow "reinstall" the complete system while it is running?
[13:08] <tete_> i changed some files (pretty long time ago) to get the video output working correctly (i3 with embedded gpu), but i do not know what exactly i changed. i noticed i do not have correct video passthrough and so i thought this would be an easy way to check if something is messed up (manually edited files etc.)
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> tete_: sounds like you need more a backup of your config files
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> tete_: and why do you want to reinstall?
[13:13] <tete_> why a backup of my config files? the config files should not be touched when i do a reinstall, thought only on purge they are removed
[13:14] <tete_> i want to reinstall because i changed files - i had support from #kodi some time ago where the i3 was so new that no mesa driver was available -> no passthrough, now i noticed this is somehow gone again, so i thought i do a re-install of all packages to have the current software without my modifications
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> tete_: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[13:20] <katronix> Hi all, when I did my most recent install of Ubuntu, it didn't have a /home partition. Is it possible to add it after the fact?
[13:21] <tete_> lotuspsychje, 18.10
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> !home | katronix
[13:21] <tete_> katronix, why not? of course, just modify your fstab
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> tete_: a possible idea could be choosing in setup to install ' next' your current install, this way you can switch between 2 worlds
[13:22] <katronix> okay the only other thing I'm not sure of , is the drive that has the partition is a usb 3 drive. Will that cause any issues? Linux sees it just fine
[13:23] <mouses> katronix: it'll work but when you add the fstab for it - mount by device ID, not by name
[13:23] <mouses> katronix: otherwise changes / reboots to USB may cause that mount to change and it won't automount
[13:23] <katronix> mouses so use the uuid of it?
[13:23] <mouses> katronix: yes
[13:24] <mouses> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingUUID
[13:24] <mouses> katronix: UUID will make sure it mounts without having to be /dev/sdX or whatever, which can change depending what USB things you have plugged in
[13:26] <katronix> mouses, never seen this before, I suppose I would use the part_uuid in this case? "/dev/sda3: LABEL="External" UUID="3c954c24-c1de-4a05-95f7-a2d2491adcbb" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="Linux_External" PARTUUID="7927d5c9-9c5b-49af-882e-2535e9f57fa0""
[13:26] <katronix> err part_uuid = partuuid
[13:27] <mouses> correct
[13:33] <katronix> mouses in my fstab would I also use partuuid as opposed to uuid? when I got to the mount -a portion I was told it couldn't find the uuid
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> !uuid | katronix
[13:34] <mouses> katronix: maybe it is UUID, it's been a while since I have done it
[13:34] <katronix> ie instead of saying: UUID=7927d5c9-9c5b-49af-882e-2535e9f57fa0 /media/home	  ext4	  defaults       0       2, should I have said PARTUUID= ?
[13:35] <katronix> it seemed to like partuuid
[13:36] <mouses> should be partuuid I think
[13:36] <mouses> I'd have to google it, been a while
[13:40] <katronix> so far its liking partuuid, guess I'll know for sure when I reboot :)
[13:47] <Deihmos> Anyone use htop? Why does it show so many instances of the same app?
[13:48] <calcul0n> because it shows threads and subprocesses
[13:49] <Deihmos> Is there a way to get it to group as 1 ?
[13:50] <calcul0n> press F2 to see display options, you can hide some things but i'm not sure you can get only one
[13:50] <calcul0n> also F5 will display them as a hierarchy
[13:55] <imi> hi. I'm about to buy an USB temperature logger. which one supports linux?
[13:57] <HellFire> Deihmos: F2 for setup, display options, tick hide userland process threads. F10 to save
[14:27] <DoctorMilwaukee> hey for some reason recording doesn't work
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> DoctorMilwaukee: audio?
[14:27] <DoctorMilwaukee> in all my applications recording doesn't work... i thought it was an application-specific problem.... but it isn't
[14:28] <DoctorMilwaukee> i restarted my computer multiple times...
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> DoctorMilwaukee: is your sound driver loaded correctly? sudo lshw -C sound
[14:29] <DoctorMilwaukee> lotuspsychje: it says *multimedia
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> DoctorMilwaukee: at bottom driver=...
[14:29] <DoctorMilwaukee> driver=snd_hda_intel
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> DoctorMilwaukee: allright, looks good there
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> DoctorMilwaukee: could you do the same test of recording with pavucontrol please?
[14:31] <DoctorMilwaukee> lotuspsychje: that a app? or a driver?
[14:31] <DoctorMilwaukee> or what is that?
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> !info pavucontrol | DoctorMilwaukee
[14:34] <DoctorMilwaukee> lotuspsychje: i just installed and tried to record and it said in the app that the app was recording
[14:34] <DoctorMilwaukee> is that what you mean? i'm not sure how to utilize pavucontrol
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> DoctorMilwaukee: been a while since i tested, but you should be able to to pick your soundcard from pavucontrol
[14:36] <DoctorMilwaukee> i only have onboard soundcard
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> ok
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> DoctorMilwaukee: doublecheck your input/output devices too?
[14:37] <DoctorMilwaukee> i'll figure out myself nvm
[14:51] <edenc> is the current daiyly build of 19.04 expected to upgrade role into the release version? I'm reading the alpha's typically do, but you run some risk of needing to reinstall.
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> edenc: join #ubuntu+1 for 19.04 support please
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> !final | edenc
[14:53] <edenc> cool, I think I'll do that, not a mission critical problem reinstalling anyway, but sounds like that won't be necessary. Need that Disco Dango :')
[14:56] <sappheiros> When dealing with an issue that might be specific to lubuntu, should I still ask here?
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: there is a #lubuntu channel but its sunday, you might wanna try here
[14:58] <tonyt> sappheiros most in here will suggest asking questions in lubuntu's channel
[14:58] <sappheiros> My brightness function keys don't manage brightness as well as the slider bar. How can I help improve their functionality?
[14:58] <sappheiros> (latitude d620)
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: that might be an acpi issue, maybe check your dmesg logs
[14:59] <sappheiros> I suppose I should begin by searching 'acpi' and 'dmesg' to learn what these are.
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: to see if its not related to lubuntu, you could try an ubuntu-desktop liveusb as test
[15:03] <sappheiros> lotuspsychje: it's a latitude d620 laptop ~11 y old. i don't think it could run standard ubuntu
[15:03] <sappheiros> or could it?
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: feel free to share your dmesg log
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: you can type dmesg in a terminal, then copy paste it to pastebin and share link
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: you could also try the xubuntu 18.04 if you think specs are too low for gnome
[15:11] <sappheiros> Isn't lubuntu lighter than xubuntu?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: in theory yes, but i had cases where xubuntu ran smoother then lubuntu on some machines
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: also keep in mind, i just propose this for the brightness test
[15:12] <sappheiros> do you know why?
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: we could brainstorm about that in #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[15:13] <lovetruth> hm... :) I've read the topic... :) -> does that phrase about "unofficial derivates" mean that, actually, the "official derivates" are actually supported here?... :)
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> !derivatives | lovetruth
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> lovetruth: see also the official ubuntu !flavors
[15:14] <lovetruth> !flavors
[15:15] <sappheiros> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3yyFV6hPgw/
[15:15] <lovetruth> I'm using Xubuntu :) - so xubuntu is?...
[15:16] <sappheiros> how do i get terminal (LXTerminal?) to show the entire dmesg output?
[15:16] <faLUCE> hello. Is there a way to completely purge vlc? I installed it with apt-get, then apt-get purge, I also cleaned the cache under ~/.cache  and under ~/.local/share/vlc  but when I re-install vlc it starts with an enormous window...
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> lovetruth: an official flavor
[15:17] <lovetruth> great, thanks, lotuspsychje :)
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: leds dell::kbd_backlight: Setting an LED's brightness failed (-5)
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: does keyboard backlight work?
[15:17] <sappheiros> lotuspsychje: yes, thank you. that does appear to record how the brightness function keys sometimes don't work
[15:18] <sappheiros> the keyboard does not have backlights, i think
[15:18] <sappheiros> i think it refers to the monitor, does it not?
[15:18] <ahoneybun> faLUCE: sudo apt purge vlc && sudo apt autoremove?
[15:18] <sappheiros> maybe i should boot up win 7 and see if the keyboard has a backlight ...
[15:18] <ahoneybun> maybe also something in ~/.config as well.
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: good idea, test all brightness settings there
[15:18] <faLUCE> ahoneybun: already tried
[15:18] <lovetruth> I'm actually on freenode right now for openwrt support (trying to build an image with asterisk13 on it for my router... but image builder fails telling me that "* opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package kmod-ltq-tapi.")... - but I thought "why not check out the #ubuntu channel, see if there's indeed any ubuntu support on it :)
[15:19] <faLUCE> ahoneybun: I removed stuff under .config as well
[15:19] <faLUCE> no luck
[15:19] <sappheiros> the brightness slider in settings works, so i am hesitant to spend more time on this issue ...
[15:19] <lovetruth> I guess you guys have no experience with building openwrt, anyways... :)
[15:20] <sappheiros> (it would be nice if the function keys worked better, but i have so many other problems in my life...)
[15:20] <faLUCE> it seems a bug of the windows manager, more than vlc
[15:21] <BluesKaj> lovetruth, try the chat here on freenode #openwrt
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> !acpi | sappheiros see also
[15:21] <lovetruth> BluesKaj: I actually did... but no answer for a long time already... :)
[15:21] <sappheiros> thank you
[15:23] <BluesKaj> lovetruth, we don't get many questions about openwrt here since it's not directly supported by ubuntu
[15:24] <faLUCE> in addition, vlc starts with 100% CPU and it makes the OS freeze
[15:24] <BluesKaj> lovetruth, try the ##linux chat
[15:24] <lovetruth> BluesKaj: thanks :) ... just that it's not such a *dead silence* in it here - as it is on #openwrt ... :)) thanks, anyways :)
[15:24] <faLUCE> how can I remove this shit?
[15:24] <sappheiros> lotuspsychje: sudo dmidecode says "BIOS is upgradeable", "BIOS Revision: 1.0", "Firmware Revision: 1.0" so I'm not sure if it's saying it's upgradeable and already upgraded to the max
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> plz language faLUCE
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: check your laptop brand website for bios updates
[15:25] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje,  ##linux has a very wide range of support
[15:25] <sappheiros> oh. >_> right.
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> !biosupdate | sappheiros
[15:25] <BluesKaj> oops sry lotuspsychje :-)
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> no sweat ; )
[15:26] <sappheiros> *"how do i remove this sweat"
[15:26] <Me3kAndroid> got a technical question about ubuntu 18.04 ...
[15:27] <Me3kAndroid> i have three hard drives in my desktop ... i can access all three, buit programs like Gimp, etc ... cant access them for some reason .. gives a permission denied ..
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> Me3kAndroid: gimp from repos, or gimp snap?
[15:31] <Me3kAndroid> gimp snap
[15:31] <Me3kAndroid> is that the problem
[15:31] <sappheiros> i have A10, but Dell says it was updated in 2013 https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r186796&oscode=ww1&productcode=latitude-d620
[15:31] <sappheiros> so i don't know if i need to update or not
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> Me3kAndroid: its not a problem, but we cant support snaps here, you need to contact the maintainer
[15:32] <sappheiros> how do i tell if i have the 2008 A10 or the 2013 A10?
[15:32] <ioria> Me3kAndroid, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1054893/gimp-2-10-doesnt-have-permission-to-access-a-usb-drive-why-how-to-resolve-1
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> Me3kAndroid: alternate, you could install gimp from repos to compare
[15:33] <Me3kAndroid> ok is gimp in repos 2.10
[15:33] <Mariozolly> Ciao a Tutti!!!
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> Me3kAndroid: gimp for bionic is Version 2.8.22-1 (bionic)
[15:35] <Me3kAndroid> ok will try that
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: didnt you say your laptop was 11y old?
[15:56] <sappheiros> lotuspsychje: well, i bought it from amazon 2017
[15:56] <sappheiros> but it's a latitude d620 which came out like a decade ago
[15:56] <sappheiros> so it cost $80 from amazon
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: yes but that machine might never seen an update yet
[15:59] <sruli> restarted my ubuntu 18.04 today and it hangs before loading gdm login last 2 lines it loads is "Started Session c1 of user gdm" & "Started User Manger for UID 115" after that nothing, what can i do to troubleshoot this?
[16:02] <leonardus> how is ubuntu with mixed resolution? let's say I have two 1080p monitors and a 1440p monitor in the middle, will it handle that well? is gui scaling and everything going to be ok?
[16:03] <sruli> i can try it for u, 1 min
[16:04] <sruli> on my screen 1440 didnt stretch full width but it seemd to handle ok
[16:04] <leonardus> great thank you
[16:06] <sappheiros> looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIOSUpdate#Dell but my /boot doesn't appear to have an EFI folder
[16:06] <sappheiros> does that imply i am not using UEFI?
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: your model might not have uefi indeed
[16:06] <sappheiros> I cd into boot and 'ls' doesn't show it, for example. does 'ls' show hidden folders?
[16:07] <sappheiros> ls -a also doesn't show it
[16:07] <NewToLubuntu> if there is a "failed to connect to lvmetad" during startup, should I disable lvmetad or try and get it to connect?
[16:07] <NewToLubuntu> it still starts up but I was reading about the message and it might affect boot speed?
[16:10] <sruli> NewToLubuntu: you can ignore it or if its giving you too many errors you can disable it by setting "use_lvmetad" to = 1 in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf (update-grub after)
[16:18] <the2048> I am literally suffering trying to install Minecraft from the Software Boutique (fails downloading the icon)
[16:20] <sruli> any ideas? ...restarted my ubuntu 18.04 today and it hangs before loading gdm login last 2 lines it loads is "Started Session c1 of user gdm" & "Started User Manger for UID 115" after that nothing, what can i do to troubleshoot this?
[16:20] <NewToLubuntu> thanks srulii, do you know a way to edit the /etc/ files through the File Manager double-clicking? in past it wouldn't let me save due to lack of admin permissions
[16:21] <NewToLubuntu> was able to do it through the Terminal but it's not the most familiar interface
[16:21] <sruli> NewToLubuntu: i dont know, but why not use nano?
[16:23] <sappheiros> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1128314/how-do-i-verify-the-latest-dell-a10-bios-is-installed
[16:24] <sruli> NewToLubuntu: in terminal "sudo nano /etc/lvm/lvm.conf" once open CTRL+W (opens search in bottom) type "use_lvmetad =" (enter) it should find that line, navigate to end of line with arrows change to 1 then CTRL+X it will ask if to save y/s
[16:24] <sappheiros> please & thank you if you can spare the time
[16:26] <Dbugger> help! I just did "rm -rf somefolder" where I did not intended to! Is there a way to reverse this?
[16:28] <sruli> Dbugger: not really, you might be able to try recovery but chances are very low
[16:28] <Dbugger> -_-
[16:29] <Dbugger> oh wow, saved!  That is the safe way
[16:32] <leftyfb> or use rm -i
[16:32] <sruli> ;-)
[16:55] <qwebirc57742> hello
[16:55] <CarlFK> hi
[16:56] <CarlFK> "The serial port echos chars it receives."  it isn't really the serial port that echos, so what is it?
[16:59] <blackflow> CarlFK: the kernel's tty layer
[17:02] <CarlFK> blackflow: yes, thats the idea.   "kernel's tty layer" applies if I was connecting to the serial port of a linux box, with a dumb terminal, right?
[17:03] <CarlFK> blackflow: im wotking with a serial over usb controled relay board: https://numato.com/product/4-channel-usb-powered-relay-module
[17:04] <CarlFK> and if I send cars too fast, it drops them.  and I want to write a little test with echo "abc" > /dev/ttyACM0 & cat /dev/ttyACM0  and getting confused talking about what I am trying to do
[17:05] <CarlFK> (not at all a ubuntu problem)
[17:08] <tomreyn> Then why do you discuss it here, CarlFK ?
[17:09] <j0seph> Hm, odd. I tried a couple of times to make logical, physical partions for encryption for / and /home separately, and for the first few times it said it couldn't mount ext4 / to the encrypted partition I wanted the root to be on. Then, after trying it again, it just worked. Lol
[17:09] <CarlFK> there are people here who know serial stuff
[17:10] <sruli> any ideas? ...restarted my ubuntu 18.04 today and it hangs before loading gdm login last 2 lines it loads is "Started Session c1 of user gdm" & "Started User Manger for UID 115" after that nothing, what can i do to troubleshoot this?
[17:10] <tomreyn> CarlFK: that doesn't make it less off topic. please try in #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux next time.
[17:12] <tomreyn> sruli: switch to a text terminal (ctrl-alt-f3), login, post logs online: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999    # then post the url here.
[17:12] <sruli> tomreyn: when i login in tty it shows the reluar login stuff but i dont get a shell line, cant exec anthing
[17:13] <tomreyn> sruli: which changes did you make which may have caused this?
[17:13] <sruli> nothing, hasnt restated in months, nothing new installed (only updates)
[17:13] <tomreyn> sruli: did you edit any dotfiles (file in your home directory which start with a dot character)
[17:14] <sruli> tomreyn: no
[17:14] <tomreyn> !recovery | sruli
[17:14] <ioria> sruli, or boot a previous kernel
[17:15] <sruli> tomreyn: i tried editing wifi connection in NM (gui) but it did not allow me to click on any of the tabs so i rebooted...
[17:15] <tomreyn> sruli: once on the recovery menu, enable networking, then drop to the root shell and run: journalctl -b -1 | nc termbin.com 9999    # then post the url here.
[17:16] <tomreyn> booting an earlier kernel is also worth a try, yes.
[17:16] <sruli> tomreyn: tried previous kernel, tried recovery, the only thing i found was when trying falsafe graphics i get in the log (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[17:16] <j0seph> sruli: I believe I had this problem a while ago too, but it was fixed immediately after I rebooted.
[17:17] <sruli> tomreyn: only have wifi couldnt connect in recovery, nmcli warns something similar "could fot find suitable device"
[17:17] <j0seph> in regards to the wifi connections part, at least.
[17:17] <sruli> j0seph: i rebooted many times, tried changing nomodset and blacklist amdgpu in grub, nothing helped
[17:18] <ioria> sruli, boot in text mode
[17:18] <tomreyn> sruli: can you plug in a wire (ethernet)?
[17:19] <j0seph> sruli: Ouch. It's worth noting that when I tried rebooting after I encountered that problem, it took a long, LONG time to reboot because systemd really wanted to take its time running stop jobs for everything. It lasted upwards of 10 minutes.
[17:19] <sruli> tomreyn: not that simple, will try to find a way to get it close to the router
[17:20] <sruli> ioria: how do i boot in text mode? also i dont think boot is the issue, i get plymoth screen no issues, its after that that it hangs (hangs before gdm login screen)
[17:20] <tomreyn> sruli: what's this hardware, graphics card especially?
[17:21] <tomreyn> and which kernel are you now booting into according to grub?
[17:21] <tomreyn> (which is the latest one installed?)
[17:22] <ioria> sruli, the problem seems related to gdm (or maybe Wayland; check /etc/gdm3/custom.conf); so if you cannot get a working shell, i suggest recovery -> remount rw ->  systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[17:23] <sruli> tomreyn: i believe its an intel gpu, latest kernel is  4.15.0-46-generic, oldest i have is 4.15.0-43 i tried all in regular and recovery
[17:24] <sruli> ioria: i tired setting usewayland to false, did not help, will try set-default multi-user.target later when i get home
[17:27] <tomreyn> using the  systemd.unit=multi-user.target  kernel / initrd parameter would be a better option than changing the default IMO.
[17:28] <sruli> tomreyn: where would i set that?
[17:29] <tomreyn> by editing the grub boot opitons from the grub menu
[17:30] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters#Temporarily_Add_a_Kernel_Boot_Parameter_for_Testing
[17:30] <sruli> tomreyn: so i just hit 'e' and first line add "systemd.unit=multi-user.target " ?
[17:30] <tomreyn> no, you append to the 'linux' line there. see the wiki.
[17:31] <sruli> reading, thanks
[17:31] <subcool> Is there are more percise way to view the disk usage and space of my disk? i dont want to lose anything if it can avoid it.
[17:31] <sruli> will try taht later, many thanks all
[17:31] <subcool> ops
[17:31] <subcool> I have an microsd card, that Df says is basically, full, but when i goto baobab to view disk usage, the views as empty
[17:31] <subcool> backwards
[17:32] <opv> hi all. looking to find which binaries are contained in a package i installed. google only shows me the other way around
[17:34] <threenuc> Hi, what are your pull down terminal recommendations? I currently use Tilda but it's kinda buggy and it feels like I'm not using the best thing out there
[17:34] <threenuc> or "drop down" terminal emulators
[17:34] <tomreyn> subcool: post "df -h /dev/..." for the microsd card to a pastebin and a screenshot of baobab (to imgur.com or similar)
[17:35] <EriC^^> opv: "dpkg -L <package> | grep bin" should be close
[17:36] <opv> EriC^^: thx, unfortunately no. only shows me the package status, not the contents
[17:36] <EriC^^> opv: -L should show the contents.. -I shows the status i think
[17:36] <EriC^^> opv: are you doing this on an installed package or a .deb file?
[17:37] <opv> EriC^^: installed package
[17:37] <EriC^^> opv: which package? type "dpkg -L <packagename>"
[17:38] <opv> EriC^^: apparently i needed to force-reinstall it. sorry about that
[17:38] <opv> now off to wonder why there is no wine binary in the wine-stable package of the wine repos...
[17:40] <ioria> /usr/bin/wine64-stable
[17:42] <opv> yeah, nope. apparently, i had to install winehq-stable, and not wine-stable
[17:53] <alina05> f
[17:58] <robtrino> hi
[18:08] <mra90> how does arecord know what sound drver to call?
[18:16] <germain> bonjour qui peut m'aider a propos de rosegarden
[18:17] <kostkon> !fr | germain
[18:18] <germain> merci
[18:19] <sappheiros> What would you recommend for converting text files to audio ogg files?
[18:20] <mra90> or maybe how any aplication which aims to do sth with the hardware find proper driver?
[18:22] <OerHeks> sappheiros, you want a text-2-speech tool?
[18:32] <elias_a> OerHeks: Perhaps morse code would be enough. :P
[18:57] <alina05> g
[18:57] <alina05> hello
[18:58] <wondows> What do you guys use for CPU temp, fan RPM...?
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> !ot | wondows
[19:00] <raub> wondows: Are you asking how they are measured/controlled?
[19:02] <CookieM> Psensor is nice graphical app
[19:03] <the2048> I use a panel object but that's just me
[19:03] <wondows> I have psensor but it doesn't seem to show everything
[19:03] <wondows> it's not showing "CPU" anywhere, it has "Tdie" and "Tctl"  which I think is the CPU temp
[19:04] <wondows> also no CPU fan RPM, it has only the GPU's
[19:05] <raub> wondows: I use fancontrol. It is comman dline but will list everything it can see. And the docs shows how to change the config in case your setup is not common
[19:05] <the2048> I do know some mobos need sensors-detect run with everything scanned and the correct added to modules
[19:06] <CookieM> there is also “sensors”, also in command line
[19:06] <the2048> For example my garbage ThinkCentre (P4 640) needs its LM85 driver installed in modules otherwise all you see is a virtual 60C sensor
[19:07] <the2048> With it installed I can see multiple sensors but without there's nothing
[19:07] <the2048> So try running through sensors-detect
[19:07] <wondows> Hmm mobo drivers?
[19:08] <wondows> yeah I did that and it shows only Tdie and Tctl
[19:08] <wondows> "sensors" I mean
[19:08] <raub> So I upgraded my laptop from 16.04 to 18.04 and it now disables keyboard and trackpad when I close it
[19:09] <raub> If I slap a mouse, I have to roll the middle ball for it to unlock screen
[19:09] <raub> middle ball being the wheel
[19:10] <subcool> https://pastebin.com/DSavWytY tomreyn
[19:10] <subcool> How do you screen shot? -
[19:10] <the2048> raub, I slapped my MX510 and it did nothing. What kind of stuff have you done?
[19:11] <raub> the2048: Meaning?
[19:11] <the2048> What kind of software did you install beforehand?
[19:11] <stronk1> subcool: u press printscreen
[19:12] <subcool> and then?
[19:12] <raub> I had blender, gimp, and virtualbox when I had it running 16.04
[19:12] <the2048> Oh
[19:12] <raub> the2048: besides having chrome and firefox
[19:12] <stronk1> the screenshot will be added to your pictures folder
[19:12] <the2048> Could be something to do with your mouse
[19:12] <subcool> stronk1, didnt work
[19:13] <stronk1> subcool: Nothing happens?
[19:13] <subcool> nada
[19:14] <raub> the2048: I do not know. My test was remove mouse, verify keyboard and trackpad worked, close laptop, open after it goes to power save mode, realize keyboar dand trakpad are being irnored, add mouse, roll mouse wheel, and then I can use keyboard and trackpad
[19:14] <the2048> Could be a lappy issue
[19:14] <subcool> gotta go
[19:14] <subcool> sorry
[19:14] <raub> No worries
[19:15] <the2048> Did you try disabling all the power save stuff?
[19:15] <elias_a> wondows: psensor has IMHO all the stuff you talked about. Perhaps a configuration issue?
[19:16] <raub> the2048: yep. I am down to considering wiping and going back to 16.04 bare and then going to 18.04, staying at 16.04, or doing bare 18.04 and the adding programs
[19:16] <wondows> well yeah idk
[19:17] <raub> Or even installing server and then adding GUI
[19:17] <raub> like I do in desktops
[19:17] <the2048> I'd say do bare 18.04 on a different drive
[19:18] <raub> the2048: I really have nothing important in that laptop I can't wipe
[19:26] <the2048> Either way having two drives is worth your time as it takes less time to swap a drive than reinstall
[19:35] <qwebirc51698> Hello, can I ask for technical help here?
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc51698: if its about ubuntu, sure
[19:36] <blackflow> qwebirc51698: yes if pertaining to using Ubuntu Linux.
[19:36] <qwebirc51698> Would installing gpu drivers on ubuntu be considered ubuntu related?
[19:37] <blackflow> qwebirc51698: yup
[19:38] <qwebirc51698> Sweet, so I've tried to install my gpu drivers for this laptop on latest ubuntu LTS, but I cannot figure out how to do it
[19:39] <qwebirc51698> It's an old ATI card, and I have the drivers link from the AMD site, but it makes me download a .run text file
[19:40] <raub> qwebirc51698: is this .run file a binary or a script?
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc51698: normally ubuntu should load the drivers automaticly, but that doesnt mean its the best driver check with: sudo lshw -C video
[19:40] <sappheiros> the2048: be sure it installed the dependencies?
[19:40] <qwebirc51698> It looks like a script
[19:40] <sappheiros> the command i got working was espeak --stdout -f Columbus.txt > Columbus.wav after installation
[19:41] <the2048> It installed libespeak1 as well as espeak
[19:41] <sappheiros> the2048: espeak-data libespeak1 libportaudio2 libsonic0, espeak-data libespeak1 libportaudio2 libsonic0 -- these seem to be the required packages
[19:41] <the2048> I'll install all of those right now
[19:41] <sappheiros> did you sudo apt-get install espeak ? that command installed them all for me no extra work needed
[19:42] <qwebirc51698> @lotuspsychje I did that and it brings up my graphics card
[19:42] <qwebirc51698> Does that mean they're properly installed?
[19:42] <the2048> I did sudo apt install espeak and it seemed to install only espeak data
[19:42] <the2048> Because it seems as if the other dependencies are installed already
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc51698: at bottom it should mention driver=...
[19:43] <qwebirc51698> says driver=radeon
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc51698: allright so radeon driver is loaded, are you unhappy about performance right now?
[19:44] <qwebirc51698> Oh no, I just wanted to make sure they were installed and i wasn't using the integrated graphics
[19:44] <sappheiros> the2048: https://askubuntu.com/questions/21811/how-can-i-install-and-use-text-to-speech-software?r=SearchResults&s=1|82.9731
[19:44] <qwebirc51698> Thank you so much everyone!
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc51698: if the card doesnt say unclaimed..
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc51698: or you wanna start playing heavy games?
[19:45] <qwebirc51698> Something light like runescape
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc51698: if current driver doesnt perform well, come back to us ok
[19:45] <qwebirc51698> Ok thank you! :) Appreciate it
[19:47] <the2048> I'll try piping it out to a wave file
[20:17] <qwebirc65211> Hi i've never used IRC chat before. Is this a place I can ask questions about using ubuntu?
[20:19] <jcb2016> if i install ubuntu onto a flashdrive w/ bootloader from virtualbox. once its finished should i be able to boot ubuntu on a normal computer?
[20:19] <baraba> see title, qwebirc65211
[20:19] <OerHeks> !register
[20:20] <regastrid> hi
[20:20] <qwebirc65211> haha thanks. I'm running 16.04 and unity, but my laptop seems to have a lot of gnome-related stuff on it to. Is there a reason for this?
[20:21] <jeremy31> qwebirc65211:  like gnome-terminal, gnome-bluetooth?
[20:21] <jeremy31> network-manager
[20:21] <qwebirc65211> yeah I have gnome terminal. I'm pretty sure that's actually the terminal i've been using for a while
[20:21] <renn0xtk9> maybe off topic but I want to cross compile gdb for windows. Anyone has instructions for this?
[20:22] <qwebirc65211> And I have gnome-control-center
[20:22] <jeremy31> qwebirc65211: it might be for fallback
[20:22] <nonix4b> renn0xtk9: offtopic indeed but cygwin ought to have precompiled one too...
[20:23] <OerHeks> renn0xtk9, building GNU debugger for windows???
[20:23] <OerHeks> sounds awesome, but i think it is not worth my time
[20:23] <ioria> qwebirc65211, you should have unity-control-center
[20:24] <qwebirc65211> yeah I have that too
[20:24] <qwebirc65211> I have both of them
[20:24] <qwebirc65211> and I'm pretty sure i didn't accidently download gnome somewhere down the line. I have an dell xsp 13 if that makes a difference
[20:24] <renn0xtk9> OerHeks, I have a Linux app in a linux docker which I attach with gdbserver.  I now want to debug it on the windows host. I see no toher option than compiling gdb on windows
[20:24] <ioria> qwebirc65211, ls /usr/share/xsessions/
[20:25] <renn0xtk9> nonix4b okay, do you know also if it as cross compiling option ? i.e. debugging linux app from windows ? Or only can debug app targeted for windows
[20:25] <qwebirc65211> two files in there, ubuntu.desktop and xmonad.desktop (i've recently been trying out xmonad, so that's why that's there)
[20:27] <ioria> qwebirc65211, dpkg -l  gnome-session-flashback
[20:27] <qwebirc65211> the exec for ubuntu.desktop mentions gnome, but the desktopname field is unity, so that's even more confusing
[20:27] <nonix4b> qwebirc65211: tbh if you exclude all of gnome, what remains on 16.04 is somewhat ascetic...
[20:28] <nonix4b> renn0xtk9: crosscompiling debuggers is such a can of worms that you better avoid it... unless you really like debugging the debugger itself when it crashes.
[20:30] <mra90> I set up ubuntu virtual machine on my win10 OS using hyper-v, however I have no internel access on that VM
[20:30] <mra90> why is that?
[20:30] <qwebirc65211> so is my unity just running on top of gnome or something?
[20:30] <ioria> yes, but it's not the point
[20:31] <renn0xtk9> mra90  how is the netowk configure in the VM ?
[20:31] <renn0xtk9> bridge access?
[20:32] <renn0xtk9> nonix4b: yeah I find nearly no doc on it. I would have hope there exist binaries already done. But  have not found any
[20:32] <mra90> renn0xtk9: under "Virtual switch" i have "default switch" selected
[20:32] <nonix4b> renn0xtk9: may want to look at gdb remote debugging features instead
[20:32] <ioria> qwebirc65211,  i suggest explore /var/log/apt/history.log and grep gnome-control-center
[20:33] <OerHeks> unity is just a compiz plugin
[20:33] <renn0xtk9> nonix4b you mean with gdbserver?
[20:33] <nonix4b> yup
[20:33] <mra90> renn0xtk9: any idea how to bridge iternat to that VM ubuntu?
[20:34] <qwebirc65211> the only mentions of gnome in the history log is from an upgrade from a while back, but just for something about gnome-keyring
[20:35] <renn0xtk9> nonix4b yeah this is what i do already , I attach with gdb server. Than launch the gdb on windows ( I have found a binary with mingw) but it says No OS/Abi handler found for Linux x86/64
[20:35] <renn0xtk9> which means in my understanding that I have to crosscompile it
[20:35] <nonix4b> qwebirc65211: apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop
[20:36] <renn0xtk9> mra90 no, I thirst thought you network adapter might be set to host only but apparently not.
[20:37] <nonix4b> qwebirc65211: or more specifically, $ apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop | grep -c gnome
[20:38] <qwebirc65211> nonix4b: i got 29 as the answer
[20:39] <qwebirc65211> and 6 if i replace gnome with unity
[20:41] <ioria> qwebirc65211,  gnome-keyrings has nothing to do with gnome-control-center
[20:42] <nonix4b> qwebirc65211: Which is pretty much the expected result... without that "-c" you get a list, those are installed along normal desktop installs. The longer answer would involve historic essay or two, wonder whether such are already on the net...
[20:44] <qwebirc65211> i guess at the end of the day it doesn't matter that much since I'm liking xmonad a lot more than unity
[20:46] <qwebirc65211> i guess i'm just curious about what it'd be safe to uninstall should I feel like cleaning up my hard drive one day
[20:46] <ioria> qwebirc65211, dpkg -l  gnome-session-flashback
[20:47] <nonix4b> qwebirc65211: actually later ubuntu releases have "minimal install" features which you could like
[20:48] <qwebirc65211> ioria: what is gnome-session flashback??
[20:48] <ioria> qwebirc65211, suggested by xmonad
[20:48] <qwebirc65211> nonix4b: that does sound appealing. i always bet wierdly anxious about clutter on my computer lol
[20:59] <cluelessperson> There's an issue with ubuntu where a lot of wifi networks in the area causes the wifi interface to bug out and cause 100% cpu usage
[21:02] <mra90> what is the recommended VM for windows?
[21:02] <mra90> I mean to set up ubuntu VM on windows
[21:03] <james_brown> im having trouble starting a service with "sudo service service_name start".  When i look at the service --status-all list, the service does not appear.  And the output of "sudo service service_name status" is https://pastebin.com/Q7jxUjvr
[21:03] <hggdh> mra90: good question. I think the best place for an answer would be ##windows
[21:11] <OerHeks> james_brown, check the permissions on that .servicefile or journalctl
[21:12] <nonix4b> Are there any uid/gid mapping best practices when accessing files/hds used on earlier ubuntu distributions? Besides "don't do it"?
[21:13] <james_brown> OerHeks: they're -rw-rw-r--
[21:14] <james_brown> OerHeks: it should be executable, right?
[21:16] <Walex> cluelessperson: most likely a bug in the firmware of the WiFi interface, they are very complex
[21:16] <OerHeks> james_brown, -rw-r--r-- sounds more  normal to me
[21:16] <james_brown> OerHeks: ok than the permissions are not the issue
[21:16] <cluelessperson> Walex: I think it's a bug in the ubuntu wifi gui
[21:17] <cluelessperson> Walex: if that's the interface you mean
[21:17] <cluelessperson> Walex: it's not the firmware
[21:17] <Walex> cluelessperson: that's also possible
[21:17] <cluelessperson> Walex: I think it hasn't been fixed because whoever wrote the code didn't use the wifi where there are tons of wifi points
[21:17] <cluelessperson> I'm in an apartment complex
[21:17] <cluelessperson> hundreds of wifi points, if not thousands.
[21:17] <james_brown> OerHeks: this is the content of the logs https://pastebin.com/gCaZAxkZ
[21:18] <Walex> cluelessperson: that's a very tupical attitude... getting it "barely working", as in "works for me right now"
[21:18] <james_brown> OerHeks: it says it doesnt have permissions to create a repository
[21:18] <Walex> cluelessperson: then there is a "scratch my itch" solution :-)
[21:18] <jeremy31> cluelessperson: check results from terminal for "iwconfig"  if that shows power management is on, that might be the problem
[21:18] <cluelessperson> Walex: well, last time I did research on it, I think I found an issue related to it, and osmeone identified where each "ping" from the wifi points causes another update
[21:19] <cluelessperson> Walex: so if there's thousands of wifi points, it constantly re-updates the gui, causing 100% cpu and freezes
[21:19] <nonix4b> cluelessperson: same issue with most GUIs tbh... try 100+ partitions :)
[21:19] <Walex> nonix4b: as uid/gid, each and every UNIX/Linux install has its own set if ids, in theory they can be completely different (except for id 0) from any otrher.
[21:19] <cluelessperson> " .Power Management:off "
[21:19] <cluelessperson> nonix4b: yeah, but a gui should only update once with the 100+ partitions
[21:20] <cluelessperson> nonix4b: with this, the gui seems to be made to re-update every time an SSID does another broadcast.
[21:20] <james_brown> OerHeks: the permissions for the demisto.db file are -rw-------; is this the issue?
[21:20] <cluelessperson> wifi broadcasts its SSID every N seconds, basically
[21:20] <Walex> nonix4b: several filesystems have a "mapping" feature
[21:20] <cluelessperson> so 1000+ wifi points * pings  per minute = updates per minute
[21:21] <qwebirc65211> what's the best way to manage wifi connections through the command line?
[21:21] <Walex> nonix4b: so if you mount a filetree on a removable disk from another system, the ids can be mapped to the local ones. Unfortunately the mapping has to be done case-by-case
[21:21] <jeremy31> cluelessperson: Ask on ubuntuforums.org  see if old chili555 can help
[21:21] <Walex> qwebirc65211: depends what you mean by that.
[21:21] <qwebirc65211> just being able to connect, disconnect, and see available networks
[21:22] <Walex> qwebirc65211: for simple setups the 'iw' command may be sufficient.
[21:22] <cluelessperson> Walex: jeremy31   I'm not sure if that's my primary issue.   My biggest issue (I can work around the freezing wifi gui) is that the wifi takes like 5+ minutes to finally connect
[21:22] <cluelessperson> I need it, desperately, to just connect <5 seconds
[21:22] <Walex> qwebirc65211: otherwise using 'wpa_supplicant' and 'wpa_cli'
[21:23] <Walex> cluelessperson: you can always write a simple conf file for 'wpa_supplicant'[3~
[21:23] <Walex> cluelessperson: it will then just ignore all the other access points.
[21:23] <Walex> more precisely SSIDs
[21:24] <Walex> I always use 'wpa_supplicant' config files, don't bother with NetworkManager, or even 'wpa_gui' or 'wpa_cli@
[21:24] <cluelessperson> Walex: how does ubuntu typically manage wifi?
[21:24] <Walex> cluelessperson: usally via NetworkManager
[21:25] <cluelessperson> where's that config
[21:25] <Walex> cluelessperson: which one?
[21:25] <cluelessperson> wifi I suppose
[21:25] <Walex> cluelessperson: if you want a sample 'wpa_supplicant' config to get online quickly, I have several samples
[21:26] <cluelessperson> Walex: I'm wondering how I can configure network manager to connect faster
[21:26] <Walex> cluelessperson: the main cases are: unencrypted, encrypted with WPA, or WPA2
[21:26] <cluelessperson> I suppose I can use wpa_supplicant if this fails
[21:26] <jeremy31> cluelessperson: Network Manager connection settings are normally stored at /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ need permissions to look at the files
[21:26] <Walex> cluelessperson: maybe using the NetworkManager CLI
[21:26] <OerHeks> james_brown, looking for a clue, i have no idea , you might want support from them?
[21:27] <jcb2016> if i install ubuntu onto a flashdrive w/ bootloader from virtualbox. once its finished should i be able to boot ubuntu on a normal computer?
[21:27] <Walex> cluelessperson: 'nmcli' can help you focus on just the one SSID you want
[21:27] <james_brown> OerHeks: its something that i've got to fix
[21:27] <Walex> jcb2016: if you do it right yes.
[21:27] <cluelessperson> Walex: what do you think causes it to take  minutes to even find the wifi point?
[21:28] <Walex> cluelessperson: I tend to agree with your guess that the very many SSIDs cause it to scan long lists.
[21:28] <Walex> cluelessperson: so one way to solve your issue is to use something that does not collect all SSIDs just to show you the available SSID list.
[21:29] <Walex> cluelessperson: I guess you already know which SSID you want to connect to
[21:29] <jeremy31> cluelessperson: post URL from terminal after entering> wget -N -t 5 -T 10 https://github.com/UbuntuForums/wireless-info/raw/master/wireless-info && chmod +x wireless-info && ./wireless-info && cat wireless-info.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:30] <Tankburn_> hello
[21:30] <cluelessperson> Walex: well, these are two separate issues.
[21:30] <cluelessperson> Walex: one is that in the background it takes minutes to connect
[21:31] <james_brown> OerHeks: do u know what Failed with result 'start-limit-hit'. means?
[21:32] <Walex> cluelessperson: BTW if you can scan loads of SSIDs in that building, things are going to suck anyhow because of massive channel overlap
[21:32] <cluelessperson> Walex: I specifically pick channels that are used less.
[21:32] <cluelessperson> most people here are normal humans and don't manually set their channels.
[21:35] <Walex> cluelessperson: if you know your SSID you can force the connection using 'nmcli device wifi connect <(B)SSID> [password <password>] [wep-key-type key|phrase] [ifname <ifname>] [bssid <BSSID>] [name <name>] [private yes|no] [hidden yes|no]'
[21:35] <cluelessperson> Walex: neat, I'll keep that in mind
[21:35]  * cluelessperson writes it down somewhere
[21:36] <wondows> It's quite ridiculous that in the Screen Lock settings there's nothing between 5 and 30 minutes...
[21:37] <james_brown> im having trouble starting a service, i get the error "Failed with result 'start-limit-hit'."  I looked at the service logs https://pastebin.com/gCaZAxkZ  it says it didnt have permission to create a repo so I changed the permissions but without luck
[21:37] <Walex> cluelessperson: also 'nmcli device wifi help'
[21:39] <nonix4b> Walex: Actually mostly interested in system uids/gids this time... $ sudo find / -xdev '(' -gid +100 -a -gid -200 -o -uid +100 -a -uid -200 ')' -ls | wc # gives just 42
[21:40] <nonix4b> ... on a newly installed system with incompatible uids/gids mainly in the system uid/gid range.
[21:41] <Walex> nonix4b: well, some "basic" system uids/gids tend to be the same, but the others tend to be different depending on the order in which you install packages.
[21:42] <Walex> nonix4b: and indeed something like 40 different ones is not surprising.
[21:44] <miguel_> ola
[21:44] <Guest35673> la
[21:44] <Guest35673> ola
[21:45] <nonix4b> libvirt-qemu seems to have switched to dedicated uid range, which happens to be mentioned at http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-policy/policy.html/ch-opersys.html ... wish some others did that too.
[21:45] <hggdh> Guest35673: we see you Just go ahead and ask your question. Also, please mind the topic
[21:51] <wondows> Does Ubuntu 18.04 come with Unity by default? Or is it gnome?
[21:51] <Walex> GNOME
[21:54] <wondows> hmm I thought Unity was the new thing
[21:57] <qwebirc45469> hey guys, can i ask you to help me with the unbuntu installation on a mac? i´m new at this
[22:12] <excelsiora> I tried installing xubuntu, got through the setup, it said it needed to restart, so I pulled my thumbdrive out and rebooted, and... blinking cursor... pls help
[22:13] <excelsiora> now thumbdrive won't even boot it...
[22:17] <renn0xtk9> maybe again unrelated but when compiling gdb you specify an architecture e.g x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu    arm-Linux-gnueabi  my question: where is there a list of all architecture? are those names kind of standardized or is it gdb specific?
[22:22] <excelsiora> since the thumbdrive seems ok, I'm redoing the unetbootin setup of the iso, and I'm going to try again... I hope I didn't brick this laptop...
[22:24] <the2048> Use rufus instead of unetbootin, excelsiora
[22:24] <Bashing-om> excelsiora: Pay attention to where the intaller installs grub (GRand Unified Bootloader). ' sudo parted -l ' to know the partitioning and device names.
[22:24] <the2048> I've made multiple USB boot drives with Rufus and never once have I had issues
[22:25] <excelsiora> Bashing-om: I'd love to be able to get a shell, but I can't boot from the thumbdrive yet...
[22:25] <the2048> excelsiora, does this laptop have a CD/DVD drive?
[22:25] <excelsiora> no
[22:25] <the2048> Oof
[22:26] <excelsiora> what's rufus?
[22:26] <the2048> USB drive imaging software
[22:26] <the2048> It's at rufus.akeo.ie
[22:27] <excelsiora> is there an equivalent to the ubuntu startup disk creator on xubuntu?
[22:27] <excelsiora> I think I uninstalled it with ubuntu-desktop...
[22:28] <excelsiora> unetbootin is done...
[22:29] <jeremy31> excelsiora: you can copy iso to USB with dd or even> sudo cp nameoffile.iso /dev/sd?  replace with whatever mount point the USB is
[22:29] <excelsiora> yay, it worked! grub on the thumbdrive!
[22:29] <excelsiora> I think grub, it says "UNetbootin" at teh top...
[22:30] <excelsiora> I have to give it boot options...
[22:30] <excelsiora> pain to type
[22:36] <excelsiora> running the install again...
[22:38] <Bashing-om> excelsiora: EFI mchine,. and you booted the installer in EFI mode, yes ?
[22:39] <excelsiora> No idea, how would I know that?
[22:40] <excelsiora> "almost finished copying files"
[22:40] <excelsiora> one single hard drive. already erased windows...
[22:40] <excelsiora> thank God, it was making me cringe so hard...
[22:40] <Thundercracker> Regarding EFI. That is determined by your BIOS.
[22:41] <excelsiora> oh boy...
[22:41] <excelsiora> "An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed"
[22:41] <Thundercracker> O.o
[22:43] <excelsiora> maybe if I create the thumb drive with dd it will work?
[22:44] <Thundercracker> Perhaps. Or another option might be to try another thumbdrive.
[22:44] <Thundercracker> Is it a new laptop?
[22:44] <excelsiora> yep
[22:44] <Thundercracker> AMD or Intel=
[22:44] <Thundercracker> ?
[22:46] <excelsiora> sudo halt (amd)
[22:46] <excelsiora> why does the screen hang when I sudo halt?
[22:48] <Tin_man> excelsiora, might be a read, or maybe not. Didn't read it.. >>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/764568/ubuntu-16-04-hangs-on-shutdown-restart
[22:50] <Thundercracker> Well a friend of mine had some issues with Ubuntu 18.04 and AMD. Related to the agpu (I think it is called). It didn't want to start properly half the time. He had to upgrade the kernel.
[22:52] <excelsiora> that'll be the first thing I do
[22:53] <excelsiora> is the dd argument of=/dev/sdb1 or of=/dev/sdb ?
[22:54] <Thundercracker> From Arch linux wiki: dd bs=4M if=path/to/archlinux.iso of=/dev/sdx status=progress oflag=sync
[22:56] <Thundercracker> "o not append a partition number, so do not use something like /dev/sdb1"
[22:57] <excelsiora> ok
[22:58] <excelsiora> doing it again... :/
[22:58] <excelsiora> stupid unetbootin...
[22:59] <excelsiora> better clean up while this is running so I don't get ded when my wife gets home
[23:08] <excelsiora> well shoot, I get the grub-ish menu again, but it looks like the CD booter.
[23:08] <excelsiora> and tab doesn't let me do boot options.
[23:10] <excelsiora> ok, I did f6 and now I have a line to type in options
[23:10] <excelsiora> turned off acpi, and it boots...
[23:11] <excelsiora> c'mon install...
[23:11] <Anonimous> hello friends!!!
[23:11] <Anonimous> alguém do  Brasil???
[23:12] <jeremy31> !pt| Anonimous
[23:12] <excelsiora> hey hey hey!!!
[23:12] <excelsiora> this is going to be done before she gets here if all goes well!!!
[23:13] <jeremy31> excelsiora: get the mistress out
[23:13] <Anonimous> thanks friends
[23:17] <bigcat4> trying to remove two fedora 29 grub entries and not sure where grub is getting the info from. when i update-grub I get...
[23:17] <bigcat4> https://pasteboard.co/I6Y7NQu.png
[23:17] <bigcat4> any suggestions very welcome
[23:18] <excelsiora> success! (I think!)
[23:19] <OerHeks>  bigcat4 for fedora join #fedora ?
[23:19] <OerHeks> somthing about a raid install, i guess
[23:22] <bigcat4> OerHeks I'm using Ubuntu now and wondering if I there's a file I need to remove the fedora entries from, so that they aren't added to grub when running update-grub? I'm using a dell laptop, dual booting with Windows 10 (had Fedora installed and now Ubuntu, hence Fedora remaining somehow)
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[23:24] <ceibal> putoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[23:25] <ceibal> queeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[23:26] <ceibal> ricardus putoooooooooooooooooooo
[23:26] <ceibal>  perdon sos mi amigo
[23:26] <ceibal> porfis
[23:27] <Ricardus> ?
[23:27] <Bashing-om> bigcat4: Win10 == EFI .. see if efibootmgr tool can help here .
[23:27] <ceibal> lo de p y eso era joda ñiery
[23:27] <OerHeks> i guess the fedora raid is never deleted properly, and was the owner of grub
[23:28] <OerHeks> maybe reinstall grub solves it
[23:28] <bigcat4> thanks Bashing-om and OerHeks... will give your suggestions a try
[23:30] <excelsiora> kfd kfd: kgd2kfd_probe failed
[23:30] <excelsiora> mmc0: unknown controller version (3). You may experience problems.
[23:31] <ceibal> soy uruguayo y tu de que pais eres
[23:31] <ceibal> dale
[23:31] <ceibal> compas
[23:31] <ceibal> capas que no entienden mi idioma
[23:31] <ceibal> me estoy descargando el friv faier de computadora
[23:31] <OerHeks> !ot > ceibal
[23:31] <OerHeks> and english only please
[23:32] <ceibal> ce
[23:32] <leftyfb> !es | ceibal
[23:36] <ceibal> dale
[23:36] <ceibal> sorry
[23:44] <excelsiora> boo... xubuntu does not launch with kernel boot options like it did from the thumb drive... :(
[23:45] <excelsiora> maybe I mistyped something
[23:45] <excelsiora> probably, I had to type a lot...
[23:49] <excelsiora> I turned off quiet and it booted! :)
[23:49] <excelsiora> why!?!?!?
[23:52] <excelsiora> maybe with a new kernel it'll be all good...
[23:55] <excelsiora> sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade... now what?


[00:30] <tsimonq2> there
[00:31] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Artful Dot One] (20180105) has been added
[00:31] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Artful Dot One] (20180105) has been added
 was there a reason to pin that
 @Netkas, Yes, because people need to know about it.
 oh wait, my bad. I didn't notice the link attached to it, I thought it was just the bot making it's introduction
[00:35] <wxl> keep an eye out for anyone that has problems with their machine because of Dot One
[00:35] <wxl> there are solutions, even if it appears BIOS is borked
[00:36] <tsimonq2> Right
[00:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: See the FAQ on the blog post ;)
[00:36] <wxl> oooh good job
[00:42] <wxl> suggestion, tsimonq2: put the Spectre/Meldown in a separate section
[00:42] <wxl> also i would avoid listing the machines
[00:43] <wxl> it's not an exhaustive list
[00:43] <wxl> and the issue is not those machines but the serial flashes they contain
[00:43] <tsimonq2> Alright.
[00:44] <tsimonq2> Give me a minute to fix ubuntu-cdimage.
[01:01] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop amd64 [Artful Dot One] (20180106) has been added
[01:02] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop i386 [Artful Dot One] (20180106) has been added
[05:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: I fixed the announcement a while ago BTW :)
[05:20] <wxl> good
 @wxl, Oooooh
 Looks good
 3.18 eol 😢
 He's referring to this
 Fwd from wxl: <wxl> Meltdown/Spectre-fixed stable kernels now out https://lwn.net/Articles/743246
 (Photo, 1280x1139) https://i.imgur.com/iBsvtTW.jpg Me currently
 @tsimonq2, do i need to fetch/sync the packages locally before building? how do i do that?
 @carriewst, supposedly i need sources.list?
 Morning. We have kernels?
 @VikingRedwolf, When did we not? :P
 ._.
 aaaand patched ones?
 @VikingRedwolf, Patched for what? The bios bug, or meltdown/spectre?
 The bios one we have, and updated isos to test
 Meltdown/Spectre only has a patched kernel landed so far in Bionic -proposed I think
 why are the browsers releasing their own patches? Chrome, the Fox, Opera...
 odd
 btw... HELLOOO RIK!!
 @VikingRedwolf, I would guess to prevent exploitation via malicious website scripts, on systems with an unpatched OS/kernel,  in the waiting period for the full OS fixes.
 makes sense
 could be more to it than that, but not read enough. but that seems more than enough for browsers to patch quickly
 aye
[13:27]  * agaida think: security patched kernels are for weenies :P
[13:27] <agaida> Vikingredwolf: the really nice thing will be the full migitation, but that will take time - so in the maintime the most important tool is brain
[13:27] <agaida> see also https://pb.5id.eu/XS9P - esp. the world rebuild, will be much fun in the next times
[13:28] <agaida> and i guess there will be several rebuilds of the world
 Brains are overrated though :$
[14:18] <agaida> also true
 Specially mine! o__o
[15:03] <agaida> i had a nice blue screen in our company because of the migitation updates today - so i'm more than biased about well and extensive tested panic patches :D
 guys, today it is like 9 months that I switched from Win10 to Lubuntu and I would like to spend a word of appreciation to you all who develop this amazing OS which enabled me to revive old machines and make new ones work better. i really love it, so thanks very much
 sorry for the OT
 hi guys
 what is the different betwin lubuntu desktop and lubuntu alternate?
[22:11] <krytarik> Just the installer basically.
 @carriewst, You don't really build it all at once...
 @AlFXLogic, Thanks for using Lubuntu :)
 @AlFXLogic, 😍