[09:28] <goliat> its a kind of game where two teams fight one to secure a server the other to gain root access on it
[09:28] <Amaranth> jseastuasn: passwd <username>
[09:28] <tiglionabbit>
[09:28] <visor> hi folks
[09:28] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: ...
[09:28] <jseastuasn> yo thanks man!!!!!!!
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> (there is no setting for that)
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> in anthy
[09:29] <visor> do you guys know how to change bright on a lap in XFree?
[09:29] <tiglionabbit> jseastuasn: sudo passwod theirusername
[09:29] <IceDC571> passwod?
[09:29] <tiglionabbit> I meand passwd
[09:29] <IceDC571> yeah
[09:30] <Amaranth> well, since we've all seem to have derained here: "I asked a flight attendant about this, and she explained that the ashtrays were left in place incase a smoker had a panic attack and needed to smoke while in flight."
[09:30] <tiglionabbit>
[09:30] <Amaranth> err, derailed
[09:30] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: Last warning about that.
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> oops, that didn't go in katakana
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: I want to fix the kerning on this.  Could someone help me?
[09:30] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: Whatever you're doing, please stop. It looks like gibberish here.
[09:31] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, then get japanese text support. 8-)
[09:31] <visor> why is this guy writing in chinesse (or asian or whatever it is)?
[09:31] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: it shouldn't.  Ubuntu is supposed to have support for these languages
[09:31] <tiglionabbit> Japanese
[09:31] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: Can you do it in a PM with someone who knows what's going on? This channel is supposed to be English only.
[09:31] <visor> oh great jap
[09:31] <hondje> +anese
[09:31] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: I'm on mIRC on Windows ME. I'm not at home.
[09:31] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: I know that.  I'm not asking for help in Japanese.  (well actually I am, but only to test it).  Anyone know?  Used xterm in japanese?
[09:31] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, are you at work?
[09:32] <hondje> tiglionabbit: xterm sucks :)
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> hondje: what do you suggest I use, Eterm?
[09:32] <IceDC571> Amaranth: why dont you use xchat on windows?
[09:32] <hondje> I like gnome term, personally
[09:32] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: No, just away from home.
[09:32] <bigfoot1> okay.
[09:32] <Amaranth> IceDC571: uses too much RAM
[09:32] <IceDC571> i see
[09:32] <visor> so anyone with a hint on how to change brightness on X?
[09:32] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: uxterm
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> er, how do I use gnome term
[09:32] <hondje> but for a lighter terminal, rxvt or aterm is nice
[09:33] <hondje> tiglionabbit: are you in gnome?
[09:33] <tiglionabbit> yes
[09:33] <hondje> applications -> systemtools -> terminal
[09:33] <tiglionabbit> that's what I'm using
[09:33] <tiglionabbit> it's xterm
[09:33] <hondje> how odd
[09:34] <tiglionabbit> at least it sets $TERM to "xterm"
[09:34] <hondje> well, that doesn't mean you're using xterm :)
[09:34] <tiglionabbit> hmm, how do I make uxterm show that scim thing?  it's not popping up?
[09:34] <Amaranth> pretty sure that's gnome-terminal then
[09:34] <tiglionabbit> yes, it is
[09:34] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: in the terminal window hit Ctrl-Shift-T
[09:35] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: see if it does anything
[09:35] <tiglionabbit> yes, it makes a new tab.  It's gnome terminal.  sorry
[09:35] <Amaranth> ok
[09:35] <w0wie> i just installed ubuntu and installed grub not to hda's mbr so it still auto boots into winblows. How can i load up ubuntu now? <-- has no clue, I am new
[09:35] <tiglionabbit> anyways, xterm I can't even make that scim window show up
[09:35] <Amaranth> it shouldn't have any problems with japanese text then
[09:35] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: but it does
[09:35] <IceDC571> w0wie: boot on a livecd and change the grub settings
[09:36] <tiglionabbit> I think it's irssi's fault
[09:36] <Tomcat_> w0wie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows/ <--- Applies to you too
[09:36] <w0wie> Tomcat_: cheers mate
[09:36] <tiglionabbit> because I can type the japanese at a normal prompt, but not in irssi
[09:36] <IceDC571> Tomcat_: wow, i'm impressed
[09:40] <me> the default ubuntu hoary install doesnt come with gcc ?
[09:40] <yuacht> me, nope
[09:40] <hondje> me: no, why would it?
[09:41] <me> weird.... so apt-get install gcc g++ correct ? i need to get the linker myself too ?
[09:41] <tiglionabbit> me: install `build-essential'
[09:41] <tiglionabbit> tis a metapackage for all the stuff you need
[09:41] <hondje> all the essentials to build stuff
[09:41] <hondje> :D
[09:41] <me> ah, good :)
[09:42] <jtan325> you know what i hate the most about ubuntu
[09:42] <Nermal> the users ?
[09:42] <jtan325> is that you have to freakin guess which packages are needed to install crap
[09:42] <Nermal> well .. not really..
[09:42] <jtan325> i just spent the past 4 hours figuring out why i couldn't build numarray by source
[09:42] <Nermal> synaptic will give you catergories
[09:42] <jtan325> well
[09:43] <jtan325> not if you want to upgrade numarray to 1.3.2
[09:43] <jtan325> that's in breezy
[09:43] <tiglionabbit> jtan325: search google and figure out what stuff does
[09:43] <jtan325> yeah
[09:43] <jtan325> i've been doing that
[09:43] <jtan325> i learned a bit though
[09:43] <tiglionabbit> jtan325: besides, there are extended descriptions of things in synaptic
[09:43] <jtan325> but freakin a
[09:43] <Nermal> jtan325, that's just lack of experience
[09:43] <Amaranth> jtan325: That's why package management systems were built.
[09:44] <Nermal> after a while you get to read the errors and install the right packages
[09:44] <Nermal> or you just visit the homepage and see what it needs
[09:44] <Amaranth> jtan325: Because without them you have to guess at dependencies, install them yourself, and try again.
[09:44] <jtan325> i was getting a python build error though
[09:44] <jtan325> it never said anything about needing python2.4-dev
[09:44] <jtan325> although i should've figured that might be important
[09:44] <jtan325> "static headers" haha
[09:45] <jtan325> oh man
[09:45] <jtan325> what a journey
[09:46] <jtan325> any of you guys know what the /opt folder is for
[09:46] <hondje> yes, I do
[09:46] <hondje> it's for 'stuff'
[09:46] <jtan325> does it stand for "optional" or something
[09:46] <jtan325> becaue ubuntu wiki says to install eclipse there
[09:46] <jtan325> i did
[09:46] <jago25_98> How do I get /usr/src/linux/.config to match the Ubuntu kernel?
[09:46] <jtan325> but then i had to change its permissions to a+w
[09:46] <Nermal> things like realplayer / vmware / etc
[09:46] <Cthulhu> jtan325, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES
[09:46] <hondje> "/opt is reserved for the installation of add-on application software packages." speaks the FHS
[09:47] <jtan325> ah
[09:47] <jtan325> thank you
[09:47] <hondje> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
[09:47] <jago25_98>  /opt is where messy stuff goes basically
[09:48] <hondje> them thars the official standard
[09:48] <jtan325> how come when i install new stuff through synaptic it doesn't go there then
[09:48] <hondje> no, it's not supposed to
[09:48] <jtan325> i usually find it in /usr/bin or /usr/lib or /usr/share
[09:48] <marcin_ant> hi all
[09:48] <hondje>  /opt is basically for stuff you don't use your pkg manager for
[09:48] <jtan325> ah i see
[09:48] <jtan325> cool
[09:48] <marcin_ant> I got a question about wireless networking
[09:49] <hondje> read over the summaries in that link I gave you
[09:49] <jtan325> yeah this is a good site
[09:49] <jtan325> thanks
[09:49] <jago25_98> jtan325: because synaptic isn't messy - stuff through that is managed. some stuff does go in /opt , but that's a bodge/kludge
[09:49] <hondje> they explain it pretty well, in two minutes of reading :)
[09:49] <hondje> no problem
[09:49] <Brydenn[WU] > how do i install a FireFox theme?
[09:49] <jtan325> i hope they come out with a native eclipse soon
[09:49] <jtan325> um
[09:49] <Brydenn[WU] > i have the theme in a folder... just dunno how to get firefox to see it
[09:49] <marcin_ant> I got a customer which is pretty new to linux and I installed "kubuntu" for him
[09:49] <nikkia> the whole point of eclipse is portability
[09:49] <marcin_ant> and this guy has laptop with ethernet connection and wifi card
[09:49] <Burgundavia> jtan325, eclipse will be in breezy
[09:50] <anatole> re
[09:50] <marcin_ant> when he is at home he uses ethernet while when at work he uses wifi
[09:50] <jtan325> yeah but then why is there native eclipse for fc4
[09:50] <jtan325> which i use at home
[09:50] <anatole> i'm having the strange feeling that i'm doing something really wrong when updating the kernel
[09:50] <nikkia> jtan, it might be packaged, but its not 'native'
[09:50] <anatole> during the boot this morning i had a kernel panic :D
[09:50] <jago25_98> I expect you might be able to get the .deb of eclipse manually from debian or ubuntu breezy and use that
[09:50] <marcin_ant> question is how to configure eth0 and wifi connection to swich automatically
[09:50] <jtan325> oh i already installed it
[09:50] <jtan325> i just followed the steps on the ubuntu wiki
[09:51] <jtan325> but i was just wondering
[09:51] <marcin_ant> I mean to use eth0 when available and switch to wifi automatically when eth is unplugged?
[09:51] <jtan325> i decided to go full-blown linux this week, installing ubuntu at work and fc4 at home
[09:51] <nikkia> jtan, tbh, i'm not happy with packaged versions of apps that auto-install stuff
[09:51] <jago25_98> Brydenn[WU] : firefox > tools > themes
[09:51] <anatole> and then (after rescue mode and running lilo) ubuntu checked one of my partitions for more than 5 minutes
[09:52] <jtan325> does anyone run breezy
[09:52] <djp> hi. i used the export EDITOR=blah, blah command yesterday to change my default command line editor. it worked fine. however after closing down my pc and restarting it this morning, the editor has reverted back to the original default editor used under gnome/ubuntu? i would like to make the editor change and be permanent.
[09:52] <hondje> nikkia: maybe slack is the distro for you then, they keep it pretty much in your hands
[09:52] <nikkia> jtan, eclipse and azureus are prime examples of apps that by their nature break the concept of packaging, they both install/upgrade themselves, and maintaining a package registry is near impossible, since the system can't easily tell if you've updated them
[09:52] <jtan325> djp: edit your ~/.bashrc file
[09:52] <jtan325> and stick your aliases and whatnot there
[09:52] <jtan325> NOT your .bash_profile
[09:52] <jtan325> export only does it for your login session, as you have learned
[09:52] <ernstp> hi all
[09:53] <djp> jtan325: excellent . thanks. what command should i add?
[09:53] <ernstp> i have a problem with startup mounting
[09:53] <jtan325> um
[09:53] <jtan325> just the commands you want
[09:53] <anatole> how can i have ubuntu to run a command (and not a program) at startup?
[09:53] <jago25_98> jtan325: what the diff between profile and bashrc?
[09:53] <yuacht> ernstp, what problem is that?
[09:53] <djp> jtan325: is it just EDITOR=editorname
[09:53] <jtan325> no
[09:53] <ernstp> ubuntu says /dev/hdc* doesn't exist at start (/dev/sda is my start device)
[09:53] <jtan325> export EDITOR=editorname
[09:53] <Poromies> jtan325: i tried breezy out, and found it to be very unstable and to have very limited packages available (64bit).. so im back with hoary, though im running on breezy kernell 2.6.12-3
[09:54] <hondje> ?
[09:54] <yuacht> ernstp, i have that problem too. just do sudo mount -a when you enter gnome, isn't that much of a hazzle
[09:54] <hondje> What's $EDITOR for?
[09:54] <jtan325> jago25_98, the profile is only "activated" when you login
[09:54] <djp> jtan325: ok thanks. do i put that command at the end of the bashrc file?
[09:54] <ernstp> I have the necessary modules in /etc/modules and the devices show up after boot
[09:54] <jtan325> sure
[09:54] <jtan325> jago25_98, when you login through the shell
[09:54] <jtan325> .bashrc is done when you login through the pretty login screen
[09:54] <djp> jtan325: cheers for your advice
[09:54] <yuacht> ernstp, you can even do a startup script that gnome exec
[09:55] <hondje> what would you want $EDITOR for?
[09:55] <ernstp> yuacht, aaah, I think it's MUCH hazzle :-)
[09:55] <jtan325> it sets the default editor right
[09:55] <jtan325> i think its vim by default
[09:55] <yuacht> ernstp, =)
[09:55] <jtan325> i like emacs
[09:55] <jtan325> so that's what i do
[09:55] <ratl3> jtan325: emacs sucks
[09:55] <ernstp> yuacht, I could. but it needs root. got my mp3's there, and like to save rhythmbox in my session
[09:55] <hondje> There's no default
[09:55] <jtan325> well
[09:55] <hondje> I don't get it....emacs <foo> doesn't work?
[09:55] <jtan325> if you did something like "cvs commit XXX.txt"
[09:56] <djp> jtan325: emacs, that is the editor i want to use as default!
[09:56] <nikkia> jtan325: isn't the default 'EDITOR' nano ?
[09:56] <hondje> oooooh
[09:56] <ernstp> yuacht, guessing you're running breezy
[09:56] <jtan325> it would have to popup some editor so you would add the message comment
[09:56] <djp> nikkia: i think it is
[09:56] <yuacht> ernstp, nopes, hoary
[09:56] <jtan325> ratl3, what's wrong with emacs
[09:56] <jtan325> i am going to try learning vim soon
[09:56] <Brydenn[WU] > jago25_98:  i dont see any tools > themes anywhere in the firefox dir
[09:56] <nikkia> i hate nano, reminds me too much of 1995 and using pine religiously :)
[09:56] <jtan325> but that's what i got started with in school
[09:57] <nikkia> emacs is great, but, its not suitable for casual editing, if you need an editor you start when you login, and it stays running til you logout, emacs is perfect ;)
[09:57] <jtan325> anyway i am going to go home, finally got this problem fixed at work
[09:57] <ernstp> yuacht, really? worked nice in hoary for me
[09:57] <ratl3> jtan325: nothing, i just learned vim first
[09:57] <jtan325> later all
[09:57] <ratl3> jtan325: so, it sucks
[09:57] <nikkia> starting emacs, making a 1 line edit, quitting emacs, isn't efficient :)
[09:57] <jtan325> haha ratl3
[09:57] <ernstp> yuacht, have you written a bug for it?
[09:58] <yuacht> ernstp, i think it loads my sata module after it loads fstab by some reason
[09:59] <jago25_98> Brydenn[WU] : I mean in firefox itself. Are you installing from .tar.gz instead of .xpi?
[09:59] <lei-> how do you mount ntfs partitions?
[10:00] <nikkia> the only thing i hate about emacs, is the fact that the one decent refactoring package is commercial :(
[10:00] <ratl3> fdisk
[10:00] <ernstp> yuacht, yeah, something like that. it loads my ide module after fstab
[10:00] <djp> jtan325: what is the command to prevent emacs opeining in window mode? i thought it was the -nw switch?
[10:00] <nikkia> djp, yep, that's it
[10:01] <djp> ok. i enter export EDITOR=emacs -nw but the bash prompt tells we -nw is not a know command?
[10:01] <jago25_98> lei-: `fdisk -l`, then mkdir /mnt/ntfs (for example) and mount /dev/whatEver /mnt/ntfs as root, or put it in /etc/fstab
[10:01] <nikkia> djp, put quotes around it
[10:01] <nikkia> ie, EDITOR="emacs -nw"
[10:01] <djp> nikkia: oops... thanks
[10:01] <nikkia> djp, when you do VAR=something blah  it tries to run blah with VAR set to 'something'
[10:02] <Brudc> hi
[10:02] <nikkia> djp, its a useful trick when you want to run one command with different settings
[10:02] <Brudc> I just installed ubuntu and faced problems :(
[10:02] <djp> nikkia: thanks
[10:02] <xliu> hi , how to disable the updater at startup, i can not find its entry in Bootup Manager
[10:02] <nikkia> djp, if you run emacs a lot....
[10:03] <Brudc> I changed the ersolution to 600X800 and now i cant see anything, mixed stripes
[10:03] <lei-> jago25_98, it's hdd1 and i have it mounted to /mnt/hdd1 but the permissions are messed up
[10:03] <Nermal> Brudc, run sudo xorgconfig ?
[10:03] <nikkia> djp, consider putting server-start  in your .emacs   and setting EDITOR to emacs-client
[10:03] <nikkia> djp, then you can start a single emacs session (GUI if you like) and have things send the file to emacs to edit
[10:03] <Brudc> how can I change the resolution back to 1024X768 from shell ?
[10:04] <Brudc> ok
[10:04] <Brudc> now i am in the gnome hjow can i go out to shell using hot keys
[10:04] <Nermal> Brudc, cntrl-alt-f2 -> f6
[10:04] <Brudc> ok
[10:05] <QMario> Is there a GUI version of linuxtrade?
[10:09] <jago25_98> QMario: it was based on a java program. I notice linuxtrade is now defunct "PROJECT STATUS:	DISCONTINUED"
[10:09] <ernstp> yuacht, can't really find a bug about this in ubuntu's bugzilla
[10:09] <ernstp> we should file one
[10:09] <QMario> Oh, okay. Thank You! :)
[10:17] <yuacht> ernstp, yes
[10:18] <xliu> where is the configuration file listing startup applications?
[10:18] <Brudc> man this didnt work
[10:18] <Brudc> I cant see anything in gnome
[10:18] <Brudc> the 600X800 resolution dumped my screen
[10:18] <Brudc> i want it back to the default
[10:18] <Brudc> ok tell me
[10:19] <Brudc> what is the root pass!! the isntaller did not ask me for a root pass
[10:19] <yuacht> Brudc, there's no root
[10:19] <yuacht> Brudc, use sudo
[10:20] <Brudc> what
[10:20] <Brudc> thereis no root!!!!!!!
[10:20] <Brudc> how come
[10:20] <yuacht> use sudo
[10:20] <yuacht> it's a security matter
[10:20] <Brudc> ok i wana create a new user
[10:21] <Brudc> with full adminstration from shell
[10:21] <yuacht> System -> Administration -> Users & Groups
[10:21] <Brudc> su newuser ?
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> Brudc: you don't want to do that
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> to make a root shell, just go to applications -> system tools -> root terminal, or say sudo -s or sudo -i
[10:23] <budluva> is it possible for me to stream or play mp3s on my windows machine, from my ubuntu box? i have a 200 gig hdd with my mp3s on it in my ubuntu machine, and instead of manually copying files over the network to listen to them
[10:23] <Brudc> ok
[10:24] <yuacht> budluva, yes
[10:24] <Adross> can anyone recommend some good podcast software?
[10:24] <budluva> yuacht, how can i do that?
[10:24] <jago25_98> budluva: or use filesharing
[10:24] <yuacht> budluva, gnump3d
[10:25] <jago25_98> How do I get /usr/src/linux/.config to match the Ubuntu kernel?
[10:25] <budluva> but i dont really want to stream them using up bandwidth, i just want to be able to play them on my windows machine
[10:25] <budluva> i dont want to stream publicly
[10:25] <yuacht> try samba
[10:28] <jago25_98> budluva: have a look at http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/screenshots.html too - another option for you
[10:29] <yuacht> jago25_98, /path/to/original/ubuntu/kernel/arch/yourarch/defconfig
[10:29] <yuacht> i think
[10:30] <jago25_98> yuacht: I got it! /boot/config -> /usr/src/.config
[10:31] <yuacht> okey ;)
[10:31] <jo> jago25_98 what the line for cp bzimage wwen you do the kernel/
[10:32] <jago25_98> jo: ?
[10:32] <jo> you dit niuw kernel
[10:32] <jo> ?
[10:32] <Leo_V2> hi
[10:32] <yuacht> Leo_V2, hello
[10:32] <Leo_V2> hi
[10:33] <Leo_V2> just a Quick Q
[10:33] <yuacht> go ahead
[10:33] <jago25_98> jo: I can't seem to understand you. Are you English speaking?
[10:33] <swarm> there is something wrong with automatic configuration of libapache-mod-python.
[10:33] <Leo_V2> the Live CD include software for the Ubuntu OS rite?
[10:33] <Nermal> right*
[10:34] <Leo_V2> can i install extra software?
[10:34] <Nermal> livecd is non installable
[10:34] <yuacht> no
[10:34] <Leo_V2> ic
[10:34] <Leo_V2> cool
[10:34] <Leo_V2> live cd just need to  be pop in to my comP?
[10:34] <macintoshr> ok my plan
[10:34] <Leo_V2> and no install?
[10:34] <yuacht> Leo_V2, indeed
[10:34] <macintoshr> yeah leo_v2
[10:34] <Leo_V2> cool
[10:34] <macintoshr> exactly
[10:35] <Leo_V2> i am going to order the CD..
[10:35] <Leo_V2> :P
[10:35] <Leo_V2> just too great
[10:35] <yuacht> why not dl?
[10:35] <Leo_V2> i got no burner..
[10:35] <yuacht> kk
[10:35] <Leo_V2> i would..
[10:35] <Leo_V2> if i ogt few hundered bucks
[10:35] <Leo_V2> *got
[10:36] <me> for some reason XMMS doesnt work, all the other music players work (totem, rythmbox) - any ideas ? (it just doesnt play a song when i press play)
[10:36] <yuacht> me, check what driver ur using
[10:36] <me> yuacht, its fine
[10:36] <yuacht> start it via console and see if you get any errors
[10:36] <timeless> is there some magical incantation to cause a package in ubuntu to have symols?
[10:36] <timeless> err symbols
[10:37] <macintoshr> phase 1 was putting the "Designed for <various linux distros, including ubuntu>" stickers over the "Designed for Windows XP" stickers on the school comps. Phase 2 was then putting large "Designed for Windows XP" stickers on the rubish bins. Of 128 stickers printed, 56 made it to computers. Of the 18 Windows stickers printed, 17 made their way to bins. Total success rate was about 50% but now we have a lot of linux wannabees for some reas
[10:37] <macintoshr> on :D
[10:37] <macintoshr> hows that...
[10:37] <me> yuacht, i did, it doesnt :(
[10:37] <yuacht> macintoshr, haha cool, i wanna do that too!
[10:37] <Leo_V2> btw how much ram is needed for Ubuntu OS live cd?
[10:38] <macintoshr> me and 6 friends did it today
[10:38] <macintoshr> it was kind of fun
[10:38] <macintoshr> leo_v2, 256MB or greater i guess
[10:38] <macintoshr> for decent performance
[10:38] <Leo_V2> 256..
[10:39] <macintoshr> you have 256?
[10:39] <Leo_V2> ya
[10:39] <Leo_V2> i got 1 GB..
[10:39] <me> macintoshr, i want a linux sticker for my new laptop instead of the designed for windoze stuff, where can i get one ?
[10:39] <Leo_V2> i worry the GUI will eat too much space
[10:39] <Leo_V2> >.<
[10:39] <ray_> what GUI
[10:39] <ray_> ?
[10:39] <macintoshr> i dont know where you can get one, me
[10:39] <macintoshr> i made my own
[10:39] <ray_> use icewm
[10:39] <me> macintoshr, ah :
[10:39] <Leo_V2> Graphical user interface
[10:39] <Leo_V2> GU|
[10:39] <highvoltage> xfce! xfce!
[10:40] <macintoshr> just buy some sticky paper from officeworks or likewise
[10:40] <macintoshr> and print your own
[10:40] <ray_> well i know what gui is
[10:40] <macintoshr> easy and cheap
[10:40] <Leo_V2> is there a specfic pic for those linuz stickers?
[10:41] <Leo_V2> i hate designing my own
[10:41] <Leo_V2> i do crappy stuff
[10:41] <Leo_V2> >_>
[10:41] <timeless> how does one get debugging symbols for a ubuntu package?
[10:42] <jago25_98> timeless: use the source. I expect binaries with debug aren't available
[10:43] <timeless> jago25_98: alternatively
[10:43] <timeless> one of your ubunutu users is reporting a crash upstream
[10:43] <timeless> and has no useful infortmation
[10:43] <Leo_V2> is there a GUI for the Live cd?
[10:43] <timeless> can i just tell the user to use ubuntu's bug reporting system instead?
[10:43] <Cthulhu> jabra, sometimes there are package-dbg packages and they have debug symbols.. but if there isn't any that you have to compile from source
[10:43] <Leo_V2> i am so worried..
[10:43] <Cthulhu> heh.. s/jabra/timeless/
[10:44] <jago25_98> timeless: -vvv / -v and run from a terminal window maybe, whats the prog?
[10:44] <Amaranth> Leo_V2: Yes.
[10:44] <timeless> firefox
[10:44] <Leo_V2> btw
[10:45] <Leo_V2> why there is no proper FAQ for Ubuntu?
[10:45] <Leo_V2> the webby is so confusing
[10:45] <Amaranth> err
[10:45] <Amaranth> the ubuntu website is full of information
[10:45] <Leo_V2> :\
[10:45] <Amaranth> in the wiki and the formal documentation
[10:46] <Leo_V2> we should be a total noob guide
[10:46] <Leo_V2> *we should have
[10:46] <Leo_V2> much better
[10:46] <jago25_98> timeless: personally I can't see a way around it without changing the program being run, like upgrading firefox. see what the #mozilla guys say
[10:46] <Amaranth> http://ubuntuguide.org ?
[10:46] <jago25_98> ubuntuguide.org needs to be advertised! (/me sees if I can fix)
[10:47] <timeless> some systems have stripped symbols that can be added back later, and similar things
[10:47] <djp> does anyone know what ubuntusetup.sh is for? the reason i ask is that on the forum it says that if your run ubuntusetup.sh, you will be able to playback .3gp files in totem? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44129&highlight=3gp
[10:48] <Amaranth> jago25_98: Well it's completely unofficial and has/had some major problems, but I think the documentation team is working with the author.
[10:48] <Amaranth> timeless: You mean -dbg packages?
[10:48] <timeless> yes
[10:49] <timeless> well, probably :)
[10:49] <Leo_V2> i am so bored
[10:49] <Leo_V2> >.<
[10:49] <Amaranth> timeless: Well, that should answer your question. :)
[10:49] <jago25_98> timeless: I'm gonna try to find the ubuntu package page for mozilla and have a look there
[10:49] <timeless> jago: thanks
[10:49] <Amaranth> timeless: You probably want firefox-dbg if it exists
[10:51] <jago25_98> timeless: maybe http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3/changelog says
[10:51] <timeless> #
[10:51] <timeless> # debian/rules: Added a debug option to DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS. If you want to build a fully gdb'able package, use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt nostrip debug"
[10:51] <timeless> hrm
[10:52] <timeless> so what would i tell this ubuntu user to do?
[10:52] <Amaranth> that shouldn't be needed
[10:52] <jago25_98> timeless: I'd just get them to up/downgrade, use konqueror as well, uninstall all extentions and settings (rm ~/.mozilla)
[10:53] <timeless> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=299177#c3
[10:53] <Amaranth> wow, that is needed
[10:53] <timeless> i just want a normal gdb stack trace, or reasonable support for asking the user to use ubuntu's bug database if the user persists in not getting good symbols
[10:54] <timeless> Amaranth: anyway, it doesn't mean anything to me, and i'm sure i wouldn't be able to just suggest that string to this user and have the right thing happen :)
[10:54] <Amaranth> you'll have to get the user to run export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt nostrip debug" then sudo apt-get -b source mozilla-firefox
[10:55] <djp> does anyone know what ubuntusetup.sh is for? the reason i ask is that on the forum it says that if your run ubuntusetup.sh, you will be able to playback .3gp files in totem? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44129&highlight=3gp
[10:55] <Amaranth> and then tell them to come back in a day or however long it takes for firefox to compile these days
[10:55] <timeless> heh
[10:55] <Amaranth> djp: It just automates installing a bunch of stuff for you
[10:55] <timeless> p4/.5gb ram, he could do it in <3hrs
[10:56] <timeless> assuming the user hasn't picked a different shell...
[10:56] <Amaranth> if he knows how to use bugzilla export and apt-get shouldn't scare him
[10:56] <timeless> which flavor of limit/ulimit/blah
[10:56] <timeless> would result in core files?
[10:57] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[10:57] <djp> Amaranth: so by running it, there is no way it would miraculously enable totem-gstreamer to playback .3gp files, would it?!
[10:57] <k31th> Watsup!
[10:57] <timeless> amaranth: heh, unfortunately my perspective is a lot more people can make useless reports to bugzilla than understand how to give me anything useful
[10:57] <jago25_98> timeless: I feel it's better to only use bug database when you are sure it is a bug in the _latest_, vanilla, firefox
[10:57] <Amaranth> djp: It could install something that would make that work/
[10:57] <Amaranth> timeless: heh, i've seen it
[10:58] <Amaranth> timeless: I get so many 'my menu broke' bugs with little to no more info :/
[10:58] <timeless> jago: yeah, problem is we've already had two guys check normal firefox's and conclude it doesn't happen there
[10:58] <Amaranth> it didn't happen with ubuntu's 1.0.2 or their 1.0.4 for me
[10:58] <k31th> hello
[10:58] <Amaranth> so if he can't give more info mark it WFM, i guess
[10:58] <timeless> i presume ulimit -c unlimited will do what i want
[10:59] <jago25_98> timeless: yes
[10:59] <k31th> i got like 50 ubuntu cds thru this morning
[10:59] <djp> Amaranth: ok, thanks
[10:59] <k31th> shall be handing them out
[10:59] <timeless> um
[10:59] <timeless> stupid question...
[10:59] <Amaranth> k31th: rock!
[10:59] <k31th> how the hell can ubuntu afford to hand them out like that?
[10:59] <Amaranth> Smeggy!
[10:59] <timeless> is the |firefox| script customized by ubuntu/debian?
[10:59] <Amaranth> That's the guy I named Smeg after. :)
[10:59] <Amaranth> I didn't know he came here.
[10:59] <timeless> the normal mozilla.org ff script supports ./firefox -g
[10:59] <smack> shuttleworth is rich he founded thawt.
[10:59] <k31th> ?
[11:00] <timeless> which dumps you into a debugger (gdb/ddd/...)
[11:00] <k31th> who
[11:00] <smack> mark shuttleworth the guy sponsoring the whole ubuntu thing.
[11:00] <k31th> you call me smeg
[11:00] <Amaranth> timeless: hrm, i dunno
[11:00] <Amaranth> k31th: No, I was talking about the guy that just quit.
[11:00] <k31th> why does windows suck
[11:00] <IceDC571> lol
[11:00] <IceDC571> windows sucks
[11:00] <k31th> so damn hard
[11:01] <timeless> k31th: otherwise things like ubuntu wouldn't have a chance :)
[11:01] <timeless> ;b
[11:01] <Amaranth> timeless: I guess TIAS, otherwise get the source package and look at the debian/patches dir
[11:01] <IceDC571> i hate this M$ mouse it doesnt work half of the time
[11:01] <timeless> tias?
[11:01] <timeless> oh
[11:01] <Amaranth> timeless: Try It And See
[11:01] <k31th> i actually find it to be alot more stable..... than my sanwhich toaster firmware
[11:01] <timeless> try it and see
[11:01] <k31th> sandwich
[11:01] <Amaranth> timeless: Also, you might have more luck asking in #ubuntu-devel
[11:01] <timeless> yeah...um, i'm short one ubuntu box :)
[11:01] <IceDC571> is it that hard to type it out?
[11:02] <timeless> Amaranth: oh right
[11:02] <timeless> btw thanks all
[11:02] <Amaranth> heh
[11:02] <k31th> humm i am using fat32 so i guess i could use a small 5 gig partition for ubuntu
[11:02] <k31th> or i could repartition
[11:03] <Amaranth> Ubuntu has about 30 channels, I bet
[11:03] <timeless> (yes, i could and should have searched the web site)
[11:03] <Amaranth> #ubuntu-devel isn't something they talk about on the website
[11:03] <Amaranth> otherwise people would automatically go there and ask user questions
[11:03] <timeless> or not :)
[11:03] <Amaranth> like how people ask user questions on -devel mailing lists
[11:03] <timeless> yeah #mozilla had that problem
[11:03] <k31th> i got to stop ebaying
[11:03] <Brudc> .l
[11:03] <k31th> or at least sell some stuff on there
[11:03] <jago25_98> timeless: Thinking about bug reports... hmm. As a non-developer I'm guessing it's a bit of a mess. I had some broken RAM a while ago, and I bet you nobody checks for that, for example. Then you got filesystem corruption and other wierd stuff. I know  ~/.mozilla messes things up for me. It might even be a ssl lib and nothing to do with mozilla maybe. Could it be a specific SSL cert? It would be nice to think you could
[11:03] <jago25_98> get this guy to do all this but I don't know enough about your relationship to him. Why not just talk through the basic process and try to instill a sense of `be careful with bug submit`
[11:04] <k31th> FUCK
[11:04] <timeless> he claims "all"
[11:04] <timeless> but lists <none>
[11:04] <k31th> i just got 240 volts electric shock
[11:04] <timeless> actually, he listed one
[11:04] <jago25_98> k31th is now a true geek
[11:05] <timeless> mozilla for the most part uses its own ssl libs
[11:05] <timeless> so it'd take significant effort for him to corrupt that
[11:05] <Amaranth> k31th: It's the amps that kill
[11:05] <k31th> yeah well thats 240 straight off the mains
[11:05] <k31th> in the UK
[11:05] <timeless> jago: unfortunately my time is really limited to when i'm amazingly distracted
[11:06] <Amaranth> k31th: Hold bar phone wires in your hand when the phone rings
[11:06] <timeless> i have no relation to him, i get hundreds of bugmails a day and randomly choose some to poke
[11:06] <Amaranth> err, bare
[11:06] <jago25_98> timeless: I see, you're trying to do a bug report properly. It's a big subject the more you think about it. Is it mozilla, is it firefox, is it ubuntu and so forth
[11:06] <timeless> yeah, big mess
[11:06] <Amaranth> is it gecko, is it firefox, is it ubuntu, is it this guy, is it just totally random?
[11:07] <timeless> in this case, i think i wish the reporter had reported his bug to ubunutu instead
[11:07] <jago25_98> :D
[11:07] <timeless> so i take it none of you have firefox handy?
[11:08] <macintoshr> k31th, how did that happen?
[11:08] <IceDC571> i hate how theres no itunes on linux
[11:08] <Amaranth> and when i am i'm using breezy so i have 1.0.4
[11:08] <jago25_98> timeless: I got it handy (1.0.2)
[11:08] <timeless> jago: try running ./firefox -g
[11:08] <macintoshr> does it work under wine, IceDC571?
[11:08] <Amaranth> timeless: heh, stuck on windows or choose it?
[11:08] <timeless> if you get ddd or gdb that's all i need to know
[11:08] <macintoshr> i hate it to and im mainly a mac user
[11:08] <timeless> (just quit no matter what)
[11:08] <macintoshr> apple should really do a linux version
[11:08] <timeless> amaranth: i have a nice mac at home teasing me
[11:08] <IceDC571> macintoshr: nah.. i think like a very old version barely works on it
[11:09] <timeless> saying "it's 2am, come home, use me"
[11:09] <jago25_98> timeless: yep :) gdb comes up
[11:09] <timeless> jago: perfect
[11:09] <timeless> thanks
[11:09] <k31th> macintoshr: from a hd caddy
[11:09] <IceDC571> i want a G5
[11:09] <k31th> i must of touched the power cables on the switch caddy has a 240 volts supply
[11:10] <IceDC571> i have to get a mac before the intel versions start shipping out
[11:10] <jo> i have amd64
[11:10] <jo> like it
[11:10] <jago25_98> IceDC571: I always liked the PPC alternative. What are the arguments in favour?
[11:11] <Amaranth> timeless: You have a Mac? That's a unix system. :)
[11:11] <jo> the 55
[11:11] <timeless> Amaranth: it's at home
[11:11] <Amaranth> oh
[11:11] <timeless> normally i can reach it, but at present it's hiding its ip from me
[11:11] <Amaranth> i might actually buy one
[11:11] <Amaranth> err, intel CPUs
[11:11] <timeless> oops
[11:11] <Amaranth> that sentence needs work, it's 4am
[11:11] <IceDC571> i think they might be flakey when they first start the transition
[11:12] <IceDC571> then there will be wine for OSX
[11:12] <timeless> Welcome to Darwin!
[11:12] <timeless> doppler:~ timeless$
[11:12] <jago25_98> timeless: check http://www.testing.com/writings/classic/checklist.html , interesting
[11:12] <timeless> ok, it didn't do a good enough job hiding
[11:12] <selinium> Hi Seveas, thanks for helping with my cdrom prob the other day.
[11:13] <selinium> hi all, what is the command line to add a group to a user?
[11:13] <eni> I have problems with sshd, it runs on ipv6 and people cant log on to it. How can i make it run on ipv4? tcp6       0      0 *:ssh                   *:*                     LISTEN
[11:13] <budluva1> anyone here familiar with ubuntu/gnump3d?
[11:13] <miche1> yes
[11:14] <Amaranth> selinium: adduser <user> <group>
[11:14] <timeless> too much reading, but it looks like a good site
[11:14] <miche1> ubuntu adding reprosieteries
[11:15] <IceDC571> the only ads i like on the web are the ones from apple
[11:15] <Brydenn[WU] > man
[11:15] <Brydenn[WU] > how do i make the icons on my desktop bigger?
[11:15] <jago25_98> budluva1: don't forget to try samba if you can't be bothered with gump3de
[11:15] <timeless> well, i think i got enough info
[11:15] <timeless> good night or day to all
[11:16] <selinium> Amaranth: cheers I will learn these commands, i will.... :)
[11:16] <yuacht> budluva, yupp
[11:16] <budluva1> there's a guide on ubuntuforums.org that tells me to make gnump3d use the root user while the documentation clearly states not to run as root...(duh!!!) well gnump3d wont work properly if i use a regular user, but it works if i run as root
[11:17] <iluciv> hi I'm needing some help with kernel compilation
[11:17] <eni> Can anybody tell what is wrong with it?
[11:17] <yuacht> eni, what's wrong with what?
[11:17] <yuacht> iluciv, what's your problem?
[11:17] <eni> yuacht: my sshd.
[11:18] <jago25_98> budluva1: apt-get install gnump3d` does all that for you I believe
[11:18] <yuacht> eni: gedit /etc/sshd.conf
[11:18] <yuacht> just look there
[11:18] <budluva1> ya i did that
[11:18] <selinium> eni: if you cant get any help here, you can try /j #linux
[11:18] <selinium> eni: too slow... Beong looked after now! :)
[11:19] <iluciv> yuacht:well I've been trying to compile a vanilla kernel but I've stuffed up now I want to remove everything and start again .ie directory
[11:20] <Albaraha> how would I display only broken packages in Synaptic?
[11:20] <iluciv> so I guess how do I remove a full dir in linux?? rmdir??
[11:21] <Albaraha> iluciv, rm -fr
[11:21] <jago25_98> budluva1: edit `/etc/gnump3d/gnump3d.conf` and you'll be read to roll. Personally I disabled .password protection in that file, and changed /var/music to /mnt/fileserver/mp3
[11:21] <Albaraha> iluciv, "rmdir - remove empty directories"
[11:22] <iluciv> albaraha: thanks will the symlink with that dir as well??
[11:22] <yuacht> Albaraha, Synaptic -> Bottom left corner, the custom button -> Broken
[11:22] <iluciv> remove
[11:22] <Pitel> hi, i've problems wit my soundblaste 24-bit. it don't run. i tried to recompile alsa, with help from some tutoruial at ubuntuforums, but it still don't work
[11:22] <Albaraha> iluciv, nope, you need to remove all sylinks to that dir manually
[11:23] <yuacht> when is breezy scheduled to be released?
[11:23] <Albaraha> yuacht, thanks
[11:23] <yuacht> Albaraha, anytime
[11:23] <jago25_98> Pitel: I have an audigy too. `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` and lsmod |grep emu10k
[11:23] <iluciv> albaraha: ln ??
[11:23] <Albaraha> that'd create links
[11:23] <eni> yuacht: on /etc/ssh there was ssh_config and sshd_config. neither has that ipv4 configuration..
[11:23] <Albaraha> you need to use rm
[11:24] <jago25_98> Albaraha: `rm -rf /target && ln -s /newTarget /target` ?
[11:24] <yuacht> eni, i'll look it up
[11:24] <marsh> what is the command to find out what applications (is that a M$oft word) are using a device (ie:whats stopping me from unmounting my cdrom)?
[11:25] <macintoshr> no applications isn't m$, but we say processes
[11:25] <jago25_98> march: I think it might be `fuser /dev/device`
[11:25] <macintoshr> because apple says applications
[11:25] <yuacht> eni,      -4      Forces sshd to use IPv4 addresses only.
[11:25] <marsh> thamks macintoshr
[11:25] <yuacht> try sudo sshd -4
[11:25] <Pitel> jabra: but i don't have audigy. i've sb live 24-bit. i think it use different chips :/
[11:26] <Pitel> jabra: sry
[11:26] <Pitel> jago25_98: but i don't have audigy. i've sb live 24-bit. i think it use different chips :/
[11:26] <marsh> macintoshr, know anything about the command too?
[11:26] <eni> yuacht: sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path
[11:26] <eni> it tells me :)
[11:26] <grexk> how can I put image in virtual terminal?
[11:26] <yuacht> eni, try sudo /etc/init.d/sshd stop
[11:26] <yuacht> then sudo sshd -4
[11:27] <Albaraha> iluciv, "rm -fr mydir" doesn't remove links pointing to "mydir", it just removes "mydir" recuresively and doesn't display a confirmation
[11:27] <jo> its ther any progie yes for video in amsn andt way is urbunt als the time take amsn out wen i instal it is it only pusubul to run amsn in gaim ?
[11:27] <visor> is apm supported in the battery applet in gnome?
[11:27] <yuacht> eni, sorry that doesnt work
[11:28] <eni> i was just going to tell you about it :)
[11:28] <jago25_98> Pitel: I had a live but it was a live 5.1. That also used emu10k (hence the unofficial ASIO drivers for Windows). However, if the 24bit version is different then I guess I don't know what the kernel module (driver) is called
[11:28] <marsh> no one? :(
[11:29] <eni> yuacht: what can i try now?
[11:29] <rasputnik> marsh: lsof
[11:30] <mike> hello
[11:30] <yuacht> marsh, lsof app
[11:30] <jago25_98> jo: You need to type better to get more attention. I don't know if amsn, kmess or kopete support video.
[11:30] <yuacht> eni, wait a seck
[11:30] <eni> ok
[11:30] <yuacht> elol
[11:30] <yuacht> sec
[11:30] <yuacht> i mean
[11:30] <yuacht> :)
[11:30] <eni> :)
[11:31] <kano_> bujaka bujaka
[11:31] <iluciv> Albaraha: I'm just going to remove it and install it agian with that same symlink I've just patched it incorrectly and now its just too messy for me to troubleshoot (I newbie) if I install the same kernel source in the same area the symlink will be the alright (does that make sense)
[11:31] <eni> jungle is massive
[11:31] <nLiveMx> :}}}
[11:31] <nLiveMx> incredible
[11:31] <nLiveMx> boyakasha
[11:31] <rasputnik> iluciv: yes, that'll be fine. you can just do 'make mrproper' to clean up your messses in a kernel source tree though
[11:31] <eni> ^
[11:31] <nLiveMx> ok, i need help
[11:32] <The_Flyest> can somebody help me?
[11:32] <iluciv> will that remove patches to kernel source??
[11:32] <The_Flyest> are there any people here that speak dutch?
[11:32] <rasputnik> iluciv: no, it shouldn't . if you want to do that, rm -rf and untar again
[11:33] <marsh> rasputnik, yuacht thank you, gentlemen. (that was driving me up the wall!)
[11:33] <nLiveMx> firslty sry for my poor english and for that that im totally lamer... i need to connect to irc servre which is on ipv6.. how can i start? ive just installed ubuntu..
[11:33] <jtan325> hey folks, guess how many times i've installed ubuntu in the past two days
[11:33] <rasputnik> eni: why don't you edit /etc/init.d/sshd and add the '-4' there, then sudo and restart it
[11:33] <iluciv> rasputnik: thanks
[11:33] <jtan325> FOUR FREAKIN TIMES
[11:33] <nLiveMx> rasputnik, da best vodka
[11:33] <The_Flyest> ok, moesten er hier nederlandstaligen zijn
[11:33] <nLiveMx> :}
[11:33] <The_Flyest> dit is mijn probleem:
[11:34] <rasputnik> jtan325 : you must really like it
[11:34] <The_Flyest> http://games.telenet.be/forum/showthread.php?t=334592
[11:34] <yuacht> The_Flyest, this is a english channel
[11:34] <The_Flyest> sorry
[11:34] <The_Flyest> but can somebody help me pls?
[11:34] <The_Flyest> i cant install and boot from live cd :s
[11:34] <jtan325> what would you install from a live cd?
[11:34] <rasputnik> The_Flyest : not unless we understand the question :)
[11:34] <lok> jtan325: right now my hd is dead and my laptop can't boot on cd do you want to change with me ?
[11:34] <The_Flyest> my computer hangs on : scsi 1: ata_piix
[11:35] <nLiveMx> firslty sry for my poor english and for that that im totally lamer... i need to connect to irc servre which is on ipv6.. how can i start? ive just installed ubuntu.. pls help me
[11:35] <The_Flyest> how can I solve this?
[11:35] <grexk> how can I change the image in virtual terminal just like in Livecd?
[11:35] <jago25_98> The_bellman: press F2 on the boot menu and go through the options for scsi. there's one that delays the scsi a bit and may fix. LiveCD isn't designed for installing
[11:36] <eni> rasputnik: sshd is empty file
[11:36] <jago25_98> The_Flyest: : press F2 on the boot menu and go through the options for scsi. there's one that delays the scsi a bit and may fix. LiveCD isn't designed for installing
[11:36] <The_bellman> jago25_98: wha?
[11:36] <The_Flyest> i know that livecd isn't meant for installing
[11:36] <jago25_98> The_bellman: sorry. Annoying xchat name completion got it wrong
[11:37] <The_bellman> coolies
[11:37] <The_Flyest> but I have the problem with the live cd and with the install cd
[11:37] <jago25_98> The_Flyest: there is an option on boot that says something about scsi, press the F-keys and have a look
[11:38] <The_Flyest> i tried a lot of these options
[11:38] <The_Flyest> none of them seem to work :/
[11:38] <linuxboy> anyone tried bluetooth with ubuntu?
[11:38] <djp> which is the better to use for web editing in peoples opinion, bluefish or emacs?
[11:38] <djp> linuxboy: yes
[11:38] <macintoshr> emacs
[11:38] <macintoshr> then again i havent used bluefish
[11:38] <linuxboy> djp: oh, cool. I just replied to your message on the forums
[11:39] <jago25_98> The_Flyest: try unplugging your scsi card if possible. disable auto-detection, if not I'm stuck
[11:39] <macintoshr> neither have i done bluetooth in ubuntu
[11:39] <jago25_98> linuxboy: yes
[11:39] <jtan325> emacs customizations
[11:39] <The_Flyest> I don't have a scsi card...
[11:39] <jtan325> wins
[11:39] <jago25_98> linuxboy: `apt-get install bluez` dpkg -i kbluetoothd-package-you-found-from-debian.deb
[11:39] <The_Flyest> http://global.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Products_Spec_GA-8I915G-MF.htm
[11:39] <The_Flyest> that is my mobo
[11:40] <linuxboy> jago25_98: I can't send files from my phone to my pc
[11:40] <jago25_98> linuxboy: give me more
[11:40] <jtan325> so, i'm not too familiar with how not to panic in linux
[11:41] <jtan325> but let's say i do something ridiculous and manage to f*ck up my X system
[11:41] <jtan325> and i can only do things from the command line
[11:41] <jtan325> what steps should i take to try and get back to a nice working ubuntu
[11:41] <jtan325> i'm familiar with unix, but not linux
[11:41] <jago25_98> The_Flyest: If you really have tried all those boot line options I'm suck
[11:42] <jtan325> but i mean
[11:42] <jtan325> is there something like a backup utility
[11:42] <_Grunt_> hello there, does anyone else have troubles with the hicolor icons in gnome?
[11:42] <jtan325> i.e. i have a 300 GB hard drive, i bet i could put "snapshots" on there
[11:43] <The_Flyest> me too :/
[11:43] <mak> good evening. my system has suddenly decided to misbehave. I
[11:43] <eni> can someone help me howto change my sshd server from ipv6 -> ipv4
[11:44] <mak> I've noticed that it doesnt like to shutdown anymore, and for some reason my window's dual boot option has dissapeared. Has anyone seen this?
[11:44] <Hory> hey folks, is kubuntu more intuitive for beginners aka windows users?
[11:44] <jago25_98> linuxboy: I got it working with kde
[11:45] <jago25_98> Hory: I think so.  I believe it may have something to do with a recent wave of updates
[11:47] <Nermal> holycow, BECAUSE YOU LEARN MORE
[11:47] <jago25_98> Hory: the same reason I got to the Gym
[11:47] <Nermal> Hory, even
[11:47] <Nermal> mak, because of a recent wave of updates ?
[11:47] <Hory> it's not the same, when you go to the gym you have different results than when staying home
[11:47] <_Grunt_> but I wouldn't worry about not learning. you can learn a ton in any distro as long as you are interested in tweaking your system
[11:47] <Nermal> oh shush
[11:47] <Nermal> you learn more by experimenting and playing about
[11:48] <eni> can someone help me with my sshd prob?
[11:48] <mak> Nermal: well, that's the only thing i can think of. I got some patches recently.
[11:48] <Hory> i just want a linux distro i can give to people to use, not to learn
[11:48] <Nermal> Hory, so use ubuntu.. jesus
[11:48] <HiddenWolf> Hory, ubuntu is your thing
[11:48] <Hory> well my question was whether kubuntu is easier or not
[11:48] <Nermal> ugh
[11:48] <Hory> than ubuntu
[11:48] <IceDC571> whats a good aac tagger in linux?
[11:48] <Nermal> play and find out
[11:48] <Nermal> well.. kde or gnome.. your choice
[11:49] <Hory> ok.. 1.4 GB of bandwidth lost because of you :)
[11:49] <Nermal> my heart bleeds
[11:49] <Hory> *of traffic
[11:49] <Nermal> because of your ignorance and not reading what each one is
[11:49] <Nermal> :)
[11:49] <IceDC571> lol Nermal
[11:49] <mak> Hory, I think there is a bit more support and general knowledge with Ubuntu, than with Kubuntu. Though I guess the goal is to change that
[11:49] <Hory> i know what each one is
[11:50] <Nermal> then why download both and blame me ?
[11:50] <HiddenWolf> ubuntu and kubuntu are the same thing, save for exchanging gnome for kde. Ubuntu is still bigger, and possibly better-supported, but the base is identical.
[11:50] <jago25_98> Hory: my brother just moved from Gnome to kde. he thought kde was nicer
[11:50] <Hory> thanks.. i was thinking on putting it on my mother's computer too
[11:50] <jtan325> gnome is familiar to mac users
[11:50] <Hory> just as an experiment to see if she can handle linux
[11:50] <HiddenWolf> Hory, and I personally choke every time I see the kde logo, it's all personal preference
[11:51] <ukato> what's a good dos emulator?
[11:51] <jtan325> how do you do keyboard mappings in ubuntu
[11:51] <jago25_98> HiddenWolf: I can understand that. I just moved from icewm, I find gnome hard work
[11:51] <Hory> dosbox, ukato
[11:51] <ukato> hory, thank you
[11:52] <jtan325> nm found it
[11:52] <Hory> you're welcome
[11:52] <jtan325> that was a horrible newbie-like question that a 4-time ubuntu installer like myself never should ask
[11:52] <cspan> hi, i updated yesterday to a new kernel that appeared in the ubuntu update, and now when i try to boot into linux i get "Kernel panic: not syncing: VFS: unable to mound root fs at unknown block (0,0)"
[11:52] <jago25_98> ukato: `apt-cache  search dos |grep dosemu` lazboy
[11:52] <Nermal> cspan, using hoary ?
[11:53] <cspan> Nermal, yes
[11:53] <Nermal> hummm. odd
[11:53] <Nermal> what disk controller ?
[11:53] <HiddenWolf> My advice as far as computers goes, is do not tell anyone that anything is better than the way they do it now. All you'll succeed in doing is changing peoples habits because 'the expert says so' and ending up with frustrated noobs because they don't understand why or how they are working this way.
[11:53] <cspan> Nermal, i don't know
[11:53] <jago25_98> jtan325: other than kde/gnome  there's a link you make for the command line something like /etc/ or /usr/lib (got that from gentoo)
[11:53] <Nermal> oh.. well.. try booting with pci=noacpi (long shot)
[11:53] <rasputnik> easy one: how do i list all my installed packages from the CLI?
[11:53] <cspan> Nermal, it's a mac
[11:53] <Nermal> o
[11:54] <cspan> i guess that might be important
[11:54] <sean_bcs> is it possible to install ubuntu to the hd from the live cd?
[11:54] <jago25_98> HiddenWolf: aka Ignorance is bliss
[11:54] <Nermal> cspan, erm.. a couple of people in #ubunut-ppc
[11:54] <Nermal> erm
[11:54] <jtan325> jago25_98, hoe is gentoo
[11:54] <jtan325> *how
[11:54] <Nermal> #ubuntu-ppc
[11:54] <jtan325> i've heard good and bad
[11:54] <cspan> i didn't know there was one!!
[11:54] <Nermal> going downhill :|
[11:54] <cspan> thanks
[11:54] <Nermal> cspan, not many people in there mind..
[11:54] <cspan> no
[11:54] <Nermal> gentoo was great, but it's getting slower and falling apart in places :|
[11:55] <Nermal> ebuild quality going downhill, some packages lagging behind, etc
[11:55] <nLiveMx> firslty sry for my poor english and for that that im totally lamer... i need to connect to irc servre which is on ipv6.. how can i start? ive just installed ubuntu.. pls help me
[11:55] <HiddenWolf> jago25_98, my father runs the business end of a software company, one of his developers uses right-mouse on 'start' to get to explorer, and told my father to do it that way too. Took him months to break the habit, and he's still frustrated, but the real pro says its better than to press a shortcut.
[11:55] <sean_bcs> do you have to be registered nick to have voice on this #
[11:55] <sean_bcs> I'll know soon enough
[11:55] <Nermal> sean_bcs, no
[11:56] <Nermal> you don't get voice on here by the looks of it
[11:56] <Nermal> why would you need it ?
[11:56] <sean_bcs> I'm probbaly using the wrong term
[11:56] <sean_bcs> why hope?
[11:56] <Nermal> sean_bcs, don't think you can install the livecd
[11:57] <linuxboy> jago25_98: how did you get bluetooth working? I can't send from my phone to my PC. My phone can't find the pc
[11:57] <sean_bcs> that's a shame you can with mepis and suse
[11:57] <jtan325> i gotta say, xchat is ridiculous compared to any other irc client
[11:57] <jago25_98> jtan325: it's a hoe, I love it. I can't say because I was using an copy that had built up over years, it has advantages in that it's comprehensive. but yes, it is hard work and that's why I'm on Ubuntu now. Ubuntu is massively fast for me now, but when I need to do something a bit custom I feel the need for Gentoo - so I'll consider running side by side if need be
[11:57] <Nermal> sean_bcs, didn't think you could with suse
[11:57] <Nermal> what do you run in suse to achieve that ?
[11:57] <sean_bcs> you could with 8 haven't looked at 9
[11:57] <Nermal> or are you talking about the evaluation cd
[11:57] <Nermal> oh.. you're talking about the eval cd, not the live cd
[11:58] <sean_bcs> and it did ntfs partioning on the fly, I heard ubuntu does that too
[11:58] <sean_bcs> what's the diffrence?
[11:58] <rasputnik> sean_bcs: one installs, one doesn't :)
[11:58] <jago25_98> linuxboy: I've msg'ed you
[11:59] <sean_bcs> mepis live installs rasputnik if you ask it to
[11:59] <sean_bcs> I was hoping ubuntu did the same
[11:59] <Nermal> this is ubuntu
[11:59] <Nermal> just download the install cd ffs
[11:59] <HiddenWolf> http://www.livejournal.com/users/alanhorkan/3445.html
[11:59] <jtan325> so in terms of network secruity
[11:59] <jtan325> security
[11:59] <sean_bcs> have to dload another iso now :(
[11:59] <rasputnik> sean_bcs: yes, but it does'nt install ubuntu, so....?
[11:59] <Nermal> that's half the fun!
[12:00] <jtan325> ubuntu warned me about some malicious client could be eavesdropping
[12:00] <jtan325> what does that mean
[12:00] <Nermal> jtan325, ssh ?
[12:00] <sean_bcs> I was hoping to have it up and running by the end of the morning
[12:00] <precy> italiani sono disponibili
[12:00] <jtan325> ssh what?
[12:00] <Nermal> jtan325, means the ssh key on the server has changed or the ip has
[12:00] <precy> ?
[12:00] <rasputnik> jtan325 : sounds like ssh when a host key changes
[12:00] <Nermal> jtan325, what warned you
[12:00] <Nermal> and don't say ubuntu
[12:00] <jtan325> it was gnome
[12:00] <Nermal> oh god
[12:01] <Nermal> *looks for way out*
[12:01] <Nermal> save me from the n00bs
[12:01] <jtan325> haha what does that mean
[12:01] <jtan325> i know nothing about the network stuff
[12:01] <Nermal> so read up on it
[12:01] <jtan325> everything else, i'm working my way around it
[12:01] <jtan325> ok ok
[12:01] <precy> c' un italiano?
[12:01] <jtan325> but what's the solution for now so i don't get hacked or something
[12:01] <rasputnik> jtan325 : if it's ssh, the rest of the message tells you exactly what to do
[12:02] <Nermal> precy, join #ubuntu-it
[12:02] <precy> thanks a lot
[12:02] <precy> bye
[12:02] <Nermal> jtan325, give us the exact error
[12:03] <jtan325> kind of hard because it's not recurring
[12:03] <jtan325> but yeah, my laptop, which i'm on right now
[12:03] <jtan325> is just fresh off an ubuntu install like an hour ago
[12:03] <jtan325> and so when i first logged in
[12:03] <rasputnik> come on now, starter for ten - how do i list my installed debs from the cli?
[12:03] <jtan325> tried to connect to google, didn't work
[12:04] <jtan325> so i double clicked on the little networking icon in the top right
[12:04] <jtan325> and i think the the only thing i changed was "autoconfigure"
[12:05] <jtan325> oh wow i am a dumbass
[12:06] <jtan325> ok what it reallly said was that "warning! could not grab your mouse. a malicious client may be eavesdropping on your session
[12:06] <rasputnik> jtan325 : what an odd error
[12:08] <jtan325> so what do you guys use to make your desktop look "cool"
[12:08] <jtan325> besides aterm and gdesklets
[12:08] <jtan325> and of course, the transparent xchat
[12:08] <rob^> jtan325, themes etc
[12:08] <ateves> hi, i wanted to compile SIM, but configure always tells me that the QT headers and libs cannot be found, but they are installed and up to date
[12:08] <rob^> wallpapers, the usual
[12:09] <rob^> system monitors..
[12:09] <rasputnik> jtan325 : ratpoison
[12:09] <SnakeBite> If I compile custom kernel - will ubuntu update manager continue to offer me kernel patches?
[12:10] <Nermal> jtan325, neon underglow and fcking huge spoiler screwed to my monitor
[12:10] <Nermal> decent icons are nice :P
[12:10] <swarm> SnakeBite, yes but not for custom kernel
[12:11] <_root_> Unable to load image-loading module: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.la: failed to open libtool archive "/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.la"  ... can anybody help me ?
[12:11] <rob^> my firefox icon is pretty cool
[12:11] <_root_> i am having this in my system.../usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.la
[12:11] <jtan325> haha
[12:11] <jtan325> big pimpin
[12:11] <SnakeBite> swarm, but for what?
[12:11] <jtan325> this ratpoison looks intriguing....
[12:12] <Nermal> _root_, there is your problem
[12:12] <Nermal> the app is compiled to look for gtk2.2 libs and you are using gtk 2.4
[12:12] <voth> has the open office issue been resolved yet?
[12:12] <Nermal> and ugly hack would be to symlink it
[12:12] <swarm> SnakeBite, for the other kernels distributed with ubuntu or got through ubuntu repositories. I mean that.
[12:13] <precy> italian irc channel ???
[12:13] <precy> sorry
[12:13] <jtan325> besides the extra repositories listed on ubuntuguide, are there any others i should add
[12:13] <jtan325> to get cool stuff
[12:13] <jtan325> is there one for sourceforge? i couldn't find it
[12:13] <Nermal> why should there be?
[12:14] <SnakeBite> swarm, 10x
[12:14] <Nermal> not every project on sourceforge has precompiled packages, let alone version specific ubuntu debs
[12:14] <jtan325> true true
[12:14] <jtan325> are there any other repos though
[12:15] <rasputnik> jtan325 : anyone can make a repo, so yes
[12:15] <jtan325> i mean, "mainstream" repos
[12:15] <jtan325> that aren't official ubuntu
[12:15] <jtan325> but yeah you know what i mean
[12:19] <BockBilbo> is breezy ready to start testing it?
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> if your willing for pain
[12:20] <BockBilbo> why do you say that Kamping_Kaiser ?
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's rather unstable+things go down quite a bit
[12:21] <macintoshr> whats so bad about breezy?
[12:21] <BockBilbo> mmm
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> austnet have banned by nic because GAIM kept crashing out and they thought i was a bot
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> when i reconeected
[12:21] <macintoshr> hahaha
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[12:21] <BockBilbo> i tried it out 2 months ago
[12:22] <BockBilbo> and i had to reinstall hoary cause it messed up my x server config totally
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have been using it since Hoary was stable, and Breezy is not stable
[12:22] <jtan325> where is the .Xresources file?
[12:22] <jtan325> or do you create it
[12:22] <BockBilbo> Kamping_Kaiser,  ok
[12:22] <BockBilbo> im going to install it so
[12:22] <BockBilbo> i used hoary 4 months before it was stable
[12:23] <BockBilbo> ... breezy should b stable for october, right?
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> correct
[12:23] <jo> Breezy  hoary what is defents
[12:23] <jo>  Breezy nieuwer ?
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> Breezy is unstable, like Debian Sid
[12:24] <HiddenWolf> jo, try #ubuntu-nl
[12:24] <jo> i mean in gentoo i run unstabel is breezy the same?
[12:24] <jago25_98> jo: yes
[12:24] <jo> oke
[12:24] <IceDC571> breezy is worse
[12:24] <berkes> hey there. quick question:
[12:25] <BockBilbo> should i enable the breezy multiverse during the dist-upgrade?
[12:25] <berkes> what is the name of that package that installs all the make-tools.
[12:25] <berkes> I mean kernel headers etc
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> bockbilbo, probably not during dist upgrade, but you could
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> berkes, build esentials perhaps? I'm not sure
[12:26] <rasputnik> s/pulling it/pulling in/
[12:26] <berkes> yep, Kamping_Kaiser, that it
[12:26] <berkes> thanks
[12:27] <|OverKiLL|> Where I Can Find Skype For Ubuntu Linux ?
[12:27] <BockBilbo> Kamping_Kaiser, is  it planned to make bootsplash work on breezy?
[12:27] <rasputnik> wishie : hah yeah saw that on sarge at work every boot, drove me potty
[12:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> overkill, from the skype site, get the deb
[12:27] <|OverKiLL|> thx
[12:27] <rasputnik> wishie : just compile everything in one huge lump, that's the netbsd way :)
[12:28] <rasputnik> then when you want to use a usb mass storage device, simply recompile and reboot :D
[12:28] <macintoshr> bbl
[12:30] <tariq_> how to change the x fonts
[12:31] <|OverKiLL|> How I Can Play Games for Win, Where I Can Find Emulator, etc... ?
[12:31] <|OverKiLL|> or programs
[12:31] <|OverKiLL|> Programs for win
[12:31] <jo> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrafonts
[12:31] <jo> tariq_
[12:31] <yuacht> |OverKiLL|, www.winehq.org / www.codeweavers.com / www.transgaming.com
[12:32] <yuacht> |OverKiLL|, what apps do you wanna use?
[12:32] <sly> OverKill wine for programs cedega for games , will both take hevey setting up to get working right how you want it
[12:32] <|OverKiLL|> hmmm. ok i try it :)
[12:34] <jago25_98> |OverKiLL|: and you have to pay
[12:34] <wdh> yeah, you will have to pay me ;)
[12:35] <wdh> not sure why.. but i would like it though :P
[12:36] <jo> |OverKiLL http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrafonts
[12:36] <jo> for skype to
[12:37] <jtan325> so mozilla updates says my firefox needs to be upgraded
[12:37] <jtan325> what directory should i install to?
[12:37] <scorpix_> will breezy come with RSS reader be default?
[12:38] <jo> sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[12:38] <jo> wget -c http://frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb
[12:38] <jo> sudo dpkg -i skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb
[12:39] <berkes> scorpix_ kubuntu has akgregator by default
[12:39] <berkes> jtan325, afaik no need to dl anything
[12:39] <scorpix_> berkes, i mean the next version of ubuntu
[12:40] <berkes> scorpix_, yes, but the current kubunut already has one,
[12:40] <jtan325> berkes: afaik?
[12:40] <scorpix_> berkes, what RSS reader will come with ubuntu breezy?
[12:40] <berkes> jtan325: as Far As I Know
[12:40] <jtan325> i could go to the extension room and install the extensions there
[12:41] <berkes> jtan325, you should update your ff with apt
[12:41] <jtan325> already did....
[12:41] <mazzen> hi!
[12:41] <berkes> scorpix_, afaik there is no rss reader in gnome, by default, so ther prolly wont be any in default ubuntu/gnome
[12:41] <mazzen>  i would like to expand my PATH variable globaly, but when i put 'PATH=$PATH:$ANT_HOME/bin' into my '/etc/environment', after a reboot, my PATH ist totaly crashed :( what do i wrong?
[12:42] <berkes> jtan325, so what is the problem then?
[12:42] <jtan325> put it in you ~/.bashrc file
[12:42] <jtan325> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/?application=firefox
[12:42] <mazzen> jtan325: but than its just for one user, not for all.
[12:42] <jtan325> that website says something about "firefox on ubuntu"
[12:44] <berkes> jtan325, yes. that proves *again* that updates on application level suck ;)
[12:44] <jtan325> oh hey what do you know
[12:44] <jtan325> there is a workaround
[12:44] <berkes> jtan325, if your FF is up to date via apt there should be no problem
[12:44] <jtan325> about:config
[12:44] <jtan325> set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[12:44] <jtan325> and it works
[12:45] <berkes> ah, yes :) silly FF people. with their stupid incompatabilities.
[12:45] <mauper> rss: "sage" for firefox ?
[12:45] <jtan325> use bloglines for RSS!
[12:45] <jtan325> so awesome
[12:45] <berkes> mauper, sage is only so-so.
[12:45] <jtan325> and it's a website right
[12:45] <jtan325> so you can access from anywhere easily
[12:45] <jtan325> just login to a website...
[12:45] <mauper> berkes: enough for me
[12:46] <berkes> it works, but is fairly limited
[12:46] <mauper> berkes: what do you expect from a rss-reader ? ;)
[12:46] <berkes> mauper, I keep track of over 120 feeds>
[12:46] <zakann> I had a little problem with my usb key, Is there anyone who can explain me why its mount in readonly?
[12:46] <mauper> berkes: mkay, this however might be a problem in sage ;)
[12:47] <berkes> thus I need a good reader, integrated properly in my system. not some browser plugin,
[12:47] <zakann> Sorry my english sentences, i'm french
[12:47] <berkes> zakann, do you have proper rights set for the user?
[12:47] <BockBilbo> is there any way to limit the bandwich used by apt?
[12:48] <sinope> dfa
[12:49] <jtan325> so what kinds of progams do you guys use to spice up your desktop
[12:49] <jtan325> besides aterm
[12:49] <mazzen> zakann, take a look at you usb-stick. is the "only-write" swicht on?
[12:49] <jtan325> and gdesklets
[12:49] <ttj> Are there any kernel-source packages for ubuntu?
[12:50] <ttj> My kernel simply freezes after bootup when I run 2.6.11 :/
[12:50] <yuacht> anyone besides me using kqemu?
[12:51] <mauper> ttj: mine too, stick to an "older" image ?
[12:51] <ttj> mauper: I don't want to :p
[12:51] <ttj> I want 2.6.12.
[12:52] <krueger> where can I get these "desklets" to my desktop ? Can someone please tell me about these desklets and how their work ? ( sorry my english, I'm danish )
[12:52] <ttj> Mostly because the kernel -also- freezes when I try bluetooth-transfers from my cellphone.
[12:52] <ttj> Oddly enough.
[12:52] <ttj> I haven't been able to test that in 2.6.12 yet.
[12:52] <jago25_98> ttj: works for me on 2.6.10 ubuntu standard. what kernel u got?
[12:53] <ttj> jago25_98: using the standard right now
[12:53] <jago25_98> ttj: is that 2.6.10 or 2.6.11? (uname -a)
[12:53] <ttj> I also get a strange message on boot, from e2fsck saying my /dev/hda2 has "special features" or something, and that I need to upgrade my e2fsck. It is the newest version....
[12:53] <ttj> jago25_98: 2.6.10
[12:54] <jago25_98> ttj: how odd. we must have different hardware
[12:54] <ttj> I actually have to interact (CTRL-D or type my root pw) to get past that error message.
[12:54] <ttj> jago25_98: Different bluetooth hardware, you mean?
[12:55] <jtan325> karama is kde though....
[12:55] <jtan325> not sure if i want to switch
[12:56] <KhaBal> whats up everybody?
[12:57] <_root_> Nermal: thanx :)
[12:57] <wizo|out> nto much
[12:58] <ptimo> hi all
[12:58] <krueger> Where can i get these "desklets" ?
[12:58] <Myrtti> sudo apt-get install gdesklets
[12:58] <krueger> okay..
[01:01] <jtan325> favorite apps, anyone?
[01:01] <jtan325> i just installed ubuntu like 2 hours ago
[01:01] <jtan325> just going through the repos with good ol' synaptic
[01:01] <Myrtti> scribus
[01:02] <ColdFire72> Anybody managed to get x-windows running on an notebook with intel 915GM @ 1280x768 resolution ?
[01:02] <Myrtti> gweled, sodipodi
[01:03] <jtan325> cool
[01:04] <krueger> why can't I update my system in my terminal ? with sudo apt-get update it says after 3 second that the system is updated ? but synaptic says there still is 25 updates left ?
[01:04] <ColdFire72> A.F.A.I.K I should use kernel 2.6.12 or newer and x.org CVS-Snapshot, but how am I supposed to integrate this with normal package-management ?
[01:05] <Myrtti> krueger: sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:05] <ColdFire72> krueger: apt-get update only updates the package-database, try apt-get upgrade
[01:05] <Myrtti> update updates the package lists on your computer to match those on repositories
[01:06] <wdh> ColdFire72, what is x-windows? :P
[01:06] <krueger> thanks :D
[01:06] <krueger> thumps up :D
[01:06] <wdh> ColdFire72, or are you meaning 'the X Windowing System'?
[01:07] <ColdFire72> Yes that's what I meant. x.org-x11 to be more precise
[01:07] <wdh> s/Windowing/Window
[01:07] <wdh> ColdFire72, have you tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'?
[01:09] <ColdFire72> No, but what do you expect from that ? The intel driver is configured "correctly" but x.org's driver cannot support this resolution
[01:09] <ColdFire72> (AFAIK)
[01:09] <Whistler> i installed ati drivers from official website but they dont seem to be working
[01:09] <krueger> hello again... how can I see which nvidia drivers I have installed ?
[01:09] <Whistler> what should i do?
[01:10] <liable> Whistler: uninstall them?
[01:10] <berkes> hmm, what package contains the kernel 2.6.10 sources?
[01:10] <krueger> anyone ?
[01:10] <Seveas> krueger, glxinfo | grep 'vendor\|version'
[01:11] <Seveas> berkes, linux-source-2.6.10
[01:11] <krueger> okay..
[01:11] <krueger> thanks
[01:11] <Whistler> now ati control apeared in menu
[01:11] <wdh> ColdFire72, not sure.. why do you think it wont support that resolution?
[01:11] <ColdFire72> to get x running with all features I need at least <IP_ADDRESS> and 2.6.12 kernel to get correct agp-support
[01:11] <ColdFire72> because intel say so on the drivers download-page ;-)
[01:11] <wdh> :)
[01:11] <anatole> ummm, a noob question, but how to use a floppy? i never did that under ubuntu
[01:12] <Nermal> mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy ?
[01:12] <ColdFire72> some other posts in multiple mailing-lists as well --- there seems to be a workaround using a BIOS-patch-tool, but the newer driver is said to be supporting this card out of the box
[01:12] <jtan325> favorite apps, guys? i am installing a bunch of stuff now, just installed ubuntu a few hours ago
[01:13] <Nermal> for doing what ?
[01:13] <wdh> jtan325, what do you wish to do?
[01:13] <wdh> jtan325, if not sure.. just install tuxracer :)
[01:13] <anatole> Nermal: it says "already mounted or busy"
[01:13] <krueger> I like mplayer and xmms :d
[01:13] <sly> o
[01:13] <sly> o
[01:13] <anatole> but its content does not show up in /media/floppy
[01:13] <sly> and frozen-bubble
[01:13] <jtan325> yeah i heard things about xmms
[01:13] <jtan325> xmms mp3 support or something
[01:13] <Nermal> beep-media-player
[01:13] <Nermal> gtk2 version of xmms
[01:13] <ColdFire72> jatn325: gnome (ubuntu) or kde ?
[01:13] <jtan325> gnome
[01:13] <Lare2> read there http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8717
[01:14] <BockBilbo> jtan325, beep-media-player is cool
[01:14] <wdh> jtan325, just browse through the packages in synaptic
[01:14] <jtan325> haha yeah i am doing that
[01:14] <jtan325> just thought i'd get some recommendations
[01:14] <jtan325> eventually plan on replacing windows
[01:14] <Seveas> beep is nice
[01:14] <Lare2> read there for some recomendations http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8717
[01:14] <krueger> what have you installed so far jtan325 ?
[01:14] <wdh> jtan325, you will get different ones from each person you speak to :)
[01:14] <Whistler> ati control appeared in app`s but hardware acceleration ist working
[01:14] <Whistler> what shoud i do?
[01:14] <jtan325> getting a lot of programming stuff going
[01:15] <jtan325> mono, eclipse, gcc, etc. under the "development" category
[01:15] <krueger> ok ... whistler are you german ?
[01:15] <jtan325> also got my thunderbird running
[01:15] <jtan325> gonna figure out aterm soon
[01:15] <sly> gftp,amsn,azureus,nvu,xmms,xine are among the 1st things i get going =\
[01:15] <Seveas> jtan325, mono/eclpise will be lots better in Breezy
[01:15] <jtan325> i hope
[01:15] <Lare2> agrre on xine
[01:15] <Seveas> might be worth the wait instead of trying to hassle with it now...
[01:15] <Whistler> nope
[01:16] <jtan325> oh yeah got gftp
[01:16] <sly> but after what i just read above
[01:16] <jtan325> and def. gotta get azureus
[01:16] <sly> i just apt-getd beep see what its lik e=D
[01:16] <krueger> I see....
[01:16] <jtan325> haha ok
[01:16] <Seveas> jtan325, ftp can be dome much easier with places -> connect to server :)
[01:16] <Seveas> sly: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[01:16] <Nermal> or alsa
[01:16] <Nermal> get rid of that esound crap
[01:16] <Seveas> sly: Ubuntu beep theme: http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/4Humans.tgz
[01:16] <krueger> what's wrong with eSound ?
[01:17] <sly> wow
[01:17] <ColdFire72> whistler: probably not what you wanted to hear: but after fiddling around with a ATI radeon for ore tha an year I threw it away and bought myself a GeForce -- Suppose you do that too ...
[01:17] <sly> i like the greay crap with debian splahsed over it
[01:17] <Seveas> Nermal, Ubuntu will kick out esd for Breezy :)
[01:17] <jtan325> ahh but i need ssh ftp
[01:17] <jtan325> so gftp is good for that
[01:17] <selinium> hi all, this is probably not do-able but can you open a application in a particular workspace, ie open thunderbird in workspace 4.... ?
[01:17] <Whistler> ColdFire72 why should i threw it away?I like ati.
[01:17] <Seveas> jtan325, places -> connect to server does ftp/sftp/ssh/webdav/webdavs...
[01:17] <Seveas> and samba
[01:17] <sly> i think beep died
[01:18] <krueger> because ati dosen't work well on linux
[01:18] <Seveas> sly, if it habgs when you try to play files you need to change the output plugin
[01:19] <ColdFire72> Because the ati-drivers for linux are -- Sorry for the word: bullshit !  Unstable, slow, incomplete ...
[01:19] <Whistler> krueger so i better delete linux than chage video card
[01:19] <Whistler> *change
[01:20] <KhaBal> anyone here know how to use LAMP?
[01:20] <jtan325> Seveas: HOLY CRAP
[01:20] <sly> =\ it just disapears now =\
[01:20] <KhaBal> ive just installed it and installed my webadmin
[01:20] <ColdFire72> Whistler: Try to get proper Hardware-aceleration, Try DuallHead-Configuration with Xinerama or some sort of that and you will see the just don't work ...
[01:20] <jtan325> Seveas: it is easier
[01:20] <Seveas> ColdFire72, stop spreading FUD
[01:20] <jtan325> when is breezy coming out?
[01:21] <Seveas> ColdFire72, the fglrx driver is perfectly capable of that
[01:21] <Seveas> jtan325, october
[01:21] <jtan325> october right?
[01:21] <Whistler> i am using ati video cards for about five years and i like them
[01:21] <Whistler> :)
[01:21] <Seveas> Lots of work going on now on Breezy, you'd better not use it yet :)
[01:21] <sly> did i hear you say esd would be scrapped
[01:21] <sly> i like that plan
[01:22] <Seveas> Many people do :)
[01:22] <sly> oh and beep works no ;)
[01:22] <sly> i kinda like the default skin =\
[01:22] <KhaBal> anyone know how to use LAMP, or know any good guides on how to use it?
[01:22] <ColdFire72> @Sveas: I just spread my own experience, not FUD ....
[01:23] <jtan325> vlc vs. xine?
[01:23] <Seveas> KhaBal, simply apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql mysql-server
[01:23] <jtan325> i used vlc on windows
[01:23] <Seveas> KhaBal, and read documentation...
[01:23] <sly> i cleard the screen .......... Seveas what was the link to the beep skin >
[01:23] <jtan325> thunderbird vs. evolution?
[01:24] <sly> ive only ever used xineso............
[01:24] <Seveas> http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/4Humans.tgz
[01:24] <KhaBal> Seveas: I've installed it.. wheres documentation?
[01:24] <Seveas> KhaBal, /usr/share/doc/
[01:24] <KhaBal> wow plenty of files in ther *-*
[01:25] <Seveas> :)
[01:25] <Seveas> every package you install gets a subdir there
[01:25] <Seveas> but look at the apache, php and mysql dirs...
[01:26] <Whistler> so can anybody help me with ati drivers?
[01:26] <Seveas> Whistler: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:27] <KhaBal> i've created a webpage html, in a folder wit the pics in the folder, which programs of LAMP do i use to just put it up on the net, and i need a script, where someone wouild fill in the page and submit the information where it sends that information to my email adress
[01:27] <selinium> KhabBal: apt-get install firestarter  to set your IP tables and open your port 80 for external traffic, if thats what you are doing.
[01:28] <Seveas> selinium, it's not what he is doing :)
[01:28] <KhaBal> im trying to get my html on the net
[01:28] <KhaBal> ive created my html with some coding in a txt document
[01:28] <Seveas> KhaBal, that is beyond the topic of this channel...
[01:28] <Seveas> Maybe try the forums...
[01:28] <KhaBal> and in order for the images to show up ive put the images in the same folder
[01:29] <selinium> KhaBal: private message?
[01:29] <KhaBal> dont know what channel to go to :(
[01:29] <jtan325> anyone use "beagle"?
[01:29] <sly> ok im a little bored and got all afternoon off
[01:29] <sly> snes emu's =D anone ?
[01:33] <Nermal> sly, ?
[01:34] <Nermal> snes9x ?
[01:34] <me> anyone knows what program i need to call in order to lock the screen ?
[01:34] <Nermal> jtan325, I've used beagle
[01:34] <Nermal> me, xscreensaver
[01:34] <jtan325> how is it
[01:34] <sly> that has no gui i beleive... or am i wrong ?
[01:34] <Nermal> jtan325, its ok but my files are quite organised anyway
[01:34] <jtan325> nice
[01:34] <Nermal> you need a 1.1.7 mono release really
[01:34] <Nermal> sly, use the gnome interface
[01:35] <jtan325> so at work i also use ubuntu
[01:35] <jtan325> i have no idea how to set up a printer
[01:35] <jtan325> and the add printer
[01:35] <me> Nermal, it says xscreensaver: 14:34:43: already running on display :0.0
[01:35] <jtan325> through gnome
[01:35] <jtan325> doesn't really work
[01:35] <jtan325> this is a network printer
[01:35] <Nermal> me, oh.. use the lock screen option in gnome
[01:35] <Nermal> jtan325, so select network printe ?
[01:36] <me> Nermal, i want to assign a key in my keyboard to locking the screen so i need an application to call to :'(
[01:36] <Pointwood> what would happen to /home if I did a new install over an existing one?
[01:36] <Nermal> me, no you don't
[01:36] <Nermal> if you are using gnome you can use the edit key bindings thing to map it
[01:36] <freewoody> How do I change the size of my Applications menu
[01:36] <freewoody> it has become so big
[01:36] <jtan325> yeah but i don't know the ip of the printer
[01:36] <jtan325> is there a way to "find all printers on network"
[01:36] <Nermal> jtan325, so ask someone
[01:36] <jtan325> similiar to that in windows
[01:37] <krueger> Hello
[01:38] <jtan325> so.... any more programs to recommend
[01:38] <krueger> hmm..
[01:38] <jtan325> i am going crazy installing all sorts of stuff i'll never try haha
[01:39] <krueger> well
[01:40] <krueger> maybe wine ?
[01:41] <me> Nermal, i dont, its a special key and i use a special program :
[01:41] <jtan325> ahh
[01:41] <jtan325> good idea
[01:41] <corza> hi guys i'm trying to install the new nvidia drivers it says i must exit X but last time i tried to install it by exiting x.. (i'm not sure if it actually triggered it) but my whole operating system was screwed
[01:41] <krueger> :D
[01:42] <krueger> hmm
[01:42] <liable> corza: start by closing evrything
[01:42] <liable> corza: then, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[01:42] <liable> corza: then alt+ctl+backspace
[01:43] <me> anyone knows what can i run from terminal in order to lock the screen(under gnome) ?
[01:43] <corza> then sh. etc?
[01:43] <Nermal> me, ffs
[01:43] <me> Nermal, ...
[01:43] <Nermal> why do you make things so fucking difficult ?
[01:43] <liable> corza: then install whatever you have to.
[01:43] <Nermal> just lock the sodding screen
[01:43] <Nermal> key mappings -> lock screen
[01:44] <Nermal> simple
[01:44] <Nermal> like you
[01:44] <Nermal> very very simple
[01:44] <me> Nermal, its not a normal key, it belongs to ibm laptops.
[01:44] <Nermal> thats enough for today
[01:44] <krueger> How do I shutdown my system in a terminal ?
[01:44] <SuperSheeP> hello all
[01:44] <snowblink> krueger, halt
[01:45] <sege> krueger: shutdown -h now
[01:45] <SuperSheeP> lol
[01:45] <SuperSheeP> FRancais ?
[01:45] <krueger> Okay... thank you :D
[01:45] <Seveas> SuperSheeP, #ubuntu-fr
[01:45] <SuperSheeP> lol yes
[01:46] <snowblink> me, where you just winding up Nermal?>
[01:46] <SuperSheeP> LOL UBUNTU POWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEER
[01:46] <me> snowblink, "winding up" ?
[01:46] <jtan325> more program suggestions, anyone?
[01:46] <krueger> hmm..
[01:46] <krueger> Have you installed mplayer or xine ?
[01:46] <snowblink> me, pushing his buttons, baiting, etc.
[01:47] <SuperSheeP> Kismet is a Good Prog For wireless scan
[01:47] <me> snowblink, did you read the conversation ? i dont think i did ..
[01:47] <Whistler> install opera
[01:47] <krueger> opera rules :d
[01:47] <corza> okay i just done that then.. and when i go to install it it said....
[01:47] <corza> "No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel"
[01:47] <snowblink> me, you're trying to lock you screen using your keyboard?
[01:48] <jtan325> i've tried xine
[01:48] <krueger> OMG Rob Thomas on MTV.... I hate that guy..
[01:48] <jtan325> it's pretty awesome
[01:48] <jtan325> opera.... firefox is much better
[01:48] <SuperSheeP> FR ?
[01:48] <me> snowblink, using a key which i can only assign action to using an application
[01:49] <jtan325> man there are just so many choices
[01:49] <me> snowblink, a specific application *
[01:49] <krueger> yes.... i also think firefox is best.. but opera is very nice to use if you are browsing many pages
[01:49] <corza> "No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel" Nvidia error, anyone help me?
[01:49] <snowblink> me, sorry your sentence does not make sense to me
[01:49] <karamazof> hi
[01:49] <krueger> hi
[01:49] <me> snowblink, im trying to asign a key on my laptop keyboard to locking the screen, yes
[01:50] <jtan325> wow, i didn't know vnc was cross-platform
[01:50] <jtan325> that's freakin sweet
[01:50] <snowblink> me, you can do that in keyboard mappings
[01:50] <me> snowblink, but that key isnt on normal keyboards
[01:50] <snowblink> me, you want to use a key which is not on normal keyboards to lock the screen?
[01:50] <karamazof> just a question, does any body know where I could find a good doc about configurating a speedtouch 510 firewall?
[01:50] <me> snowblink, "access ibm" key on an ibm laptop, yes.
[01:51] <snowblink> me, does your system react to the key at all at the moment?
[01:51] <me> snowblink, there is a program that lets me assign action to it, thats why i asked for the command to run from terminal in order to lock the screen
[01:51] <jtan325> what's the best way to play mp3's
[01:51] <xabbu> Anyone more than me that has huge problem to configure vlc to play sound?
[01:52] <snowblink> me, okay. Got you now
[01:52] <corza> anyone help me with Nvidia Driver?
[01:52] <aaron_> jtan325: there is a few choices out there, xmms is an old favourite
[01:52] <jtan325> and the other choices?
[01:53] <krueger> well
[01:53] <aaron_> jtan325: There is a pre-bundled package in Ubuntu called Music player
[01:53] <xabbu> jtan325, beep-media-player. The player that follows Ubuntu per default.
[01:53] <yuacht> jtan325, amarok, rythmbox
[01:53] <xabbu> Music Player.
[01:53] <jtan325> to play mp3's???
[01:53] <Whistler> jep
[01:54] <jtan325> i mean, you have to install plugins right
[01:54] <krueger> you have to install gstreamer 0.8 mad to herar mp3 in amarok or rythmbox..
[01:54] <aaron_> jtan325: no?
[01:54] <krueger> hear*
[01:54] <jtan325> so what i'm really asking is, what's the best mp3 plugin
[01:54] <jtan325> to get great quality
[01:54] <krueger> ?
[01:54] <aaron_> jtan325: plugin for what?
[01:54] <krueger> uhm
[01:54] <Leliel_Stormhawk> anyone know anything about getting a soundbalster audigy2 zs to work with ubuntu?
[01:55] <snowblink> me, it has to do with xscreensaver. You are aware that you can set lock screen using normal keys & keyboard shortcuts?
[01:55] <jtan325> plugins to play mp3's
[01:55] <Seveas> jtan325, only gstreamer-based applications need a plugin, xine/xmms have it built-in
[01:55] <jtan325> don't really care about the player itself
[01:55] <aaron_> xabbu: do you use beep-media-player? does it have a media library?
[01:55] <Seveas> for gstreamer, gstreamer0.8-mad and gstreamer0.8-lame are good
[01:55] <selinium> Seveas: is there a way of opening a application in a particular workspace?
[01:55] <Seveas> selinium, afaik that's onging work...
[01:56] <selinium> Seveas: cheers.
[01:56] <snowblink> me, man xscreensaver-command
[01:57] <Kato_von_Spee> hi - thanks for CD Ubuntu - is fine :)) btw. how is here file commander?
[01:57] <me> snowblink, works !!! thanks :D
[01:57] <snowblink> me, np
[01:57] <ralf> hi, i have installed kubuntu on a non networked pc
[01:57] <ralf> now i wish to install other stuff
[01:57] <ralf> but the cd is really poor
[01:57] <krueger> yeah ? like what ?
[01:58] <ralf> what can I do wothout downloading the whole repository?
[01:58] <aaron_> jtan325: I don't really know how much of a difference software decoding makes to the sound quality under linux. But having good encodings will make a difference.
[01:58] <Seveas> ralf, you can download individual packages from packages.ubuntu.com
[01:59] <xabbu> aaron_, yeah I use it. I don't really know.
[01:59] <Leliel_Stormhawk> anyone here know much about getting a soundblaster audigy 2 to work with ubuntu hoary
[01:59] <Leliel_Stormhawk> ?
[01:59] <krueger> Jeg er lam
[01:59] <jtan325> wait, it looks like the default install for xine won't play mp3's
[01:59] <aaron_> Can someone please point me to a good mp3 player that has a media library like winamp or itunes?
[01:59] <Leliel_Stormhawk> aaron_, xmms is very like winamp
[01:59] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, you can find a howto on ubuntuforms.org
[02:00] <aaron_> jtan325, try downloading xmms
[02:00] <selinium> aaron_ XMMS
[02:00] <krueger> yeah... try xmms
[02:00] <jtan325> right
[02:00] <jtan325> and that's not playing anything
[02:00] <SuperSheeP> eh  ?
[02:00] <jtan325> maybe my sound isn't set up
[02:00] <Seveas> aaron_, beep-media-player
[02:00] <aaron_> Leliel_Stormhawk, yeah but it doesn't have a media player like winamp 5
[02:00] <sktrdie> does anyone here use UBUNTU on PPC
[02:00] <jtan325> actually no i hear the ubuntu sounds
[02:00] <jtan325> so hmmmm
[02:00] <aaron_> thanks seveas
[02:00] <SuperSheeP> Kafeine on UBUNTU ? ?
[02:00] <sktrdie> does anyone here use UBUNTU on a powerbook?
[02:00] <Seveas> sktrdie, some people do...
[02:01] <krueger> my brother does...
[02:01] <aaron_> Leliel_Stormhawk, I haven't ever had problems with my audigy under debian. what seems to be the problem?
[02:01] <sktrdie> i would like to know how compatible it is
[02:01] <Leliel_Stormhawk> aaron_, notuing coming out f the speakers
[02:01] <sktrdie> do all the packages work on PPC also?
[02:01] <sktrdie> without any problem?
[02:01] <Seveas> sktrdie, yes
[02:01] <krueger> yes...
[02:01] <Seveas> except for flash and other non-free stuff
[02:01] <me> aaron_, i would recommend beep-media-player instead of xmms, its the same engine with better graphics and support for languages
[02:01] <sktrdie> Seveas: what about other adjustments?
[02:01] <aaron_> thanks me!
[02:01] <krueger> it works as good on a mac as pc
[02:02] <me> aaron_, ;)
[02:02] <KhaBal> hello
[02:02] <Seveas> sktrdie, by default powerbook hardware works with Ubuntu
[02:02] <krueger> hello
[02:02] <Seveas> except for the airport extreme
[02:02] <aaron_> Leliel_Stormhawk, hmmm, is this a default install?
[02:02] <Seveas> (another example of non-openness)
[02:02] <Leliel_Stormhawk> aaron_, about 25 minutes old
[02:03] <krueger> jeg er lam
[02:03] <sktrdie> Seveas: i havent really ever tried the atp-get kind of package tool
[02:03] <sktrdie> Seveas: does it also download the dependecy
[02:03] <Seveas> sktrdie, yes
[02:03] <k31th> i havent had fish n chips for weeks now
[02:03] <Seveas> that is the great strength of apt :)
[02:03] <sktrdie> Seveas: let's say I just installed UBUNTU.. os i type: atp-get azureus
[02:04] <sktrdie> it will also install Java?
[02:04] <elmago> can someone help me http://rafb.net/paste/results/omoOGi46.html
[02:04] <elmago> [14:03]  <elmago> i like to install new ipw220 driver and when i enter the command make i get this error
[02:04] <Seveas> azureus is not in the repositories...
[02:04] <k31th> no
[02:04] <aaron_> Leliel_Stormhawk, Are you new to linux too?
[02:04] <sktrdie> Seveas: well something the same
[02:04] <sktrdie> where do I see thelist of the apt-get packages?
[02:04] <elmago> so can someone tell me what to do?
[02:04] <`crimsun> sktrdie, packages.ubuntu.com
[02:05] <Seveas> sktrdie, you can browse through it with synaptic (system -> admin -> synaptic) or via http://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:05] <krueger> jeg er lam
[02:05] <corza> can someone plz help me with NVIDIA drivers?
[02:05] <Seveas> krueger, we speak english in here...
[02:05] <Seveas> corza: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:05] <KhaBal> seveas ?
[02:05] <Seveas> KhaBal, ?
[02:05] <krueger> :D
[02:05] <krueger> hmm
[02:05] <selinium> KhaBal
[02:05] <KhaBal> Seveas: werent u helping me with my html?
[02:05] <KhaBal> oh wrong person lol!
[02:06] <Seveas> KhaBal, no, I said it was off-topic for this channel :)
[02:06] <KhaBal> yes
[02:07] <corza> can someone help me with my Nvidia Erorr, No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel
[02:07] <Poromies> sktrdie: you can get azureus from the masked repositories/backports
[02:07] <sktrdie> I see... I think I might install Ubuntu on my powerbook..
[02:07] <`crimsun> corza, if you enable the Nvidia drivers using the method described on the web page that Seveas mentioned, you won't need to compile them.
[02:07] <Seveas> afaik backports has no ppc packages...
[02:07] <krueger> it would be a great Idea :D
[02:07] <Poromies> sktrdie: more info on repos i.e. in http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:07] <sktrdie> I have Gentoo now! it is wonderfull.. but compiling sometimes is annoying
[02:08] <corza> i've already done that crimsun. but it doesnt work
[02:08] <`crimsun> corza, Ubuntu includes them by default.
[02:08] <Poromies> ach, youre on ppc
[02:08] <Seveas> Poromies, ubuntuguide is bad
[02:08] <Seveas> do NOT recommend it
[02:08] <Poromies> sry then :)
[02:08] <`crimsun> corza, you followed all the instructions?
[02:08] <Leliel_Stormhawk> aaron_, just left fedora core, after redhat started annoying me
[02:08] <Poromies> Seveas: i have found it pretty helpful for me
[02:08] <Poromies> O.o
[02:08] <corza> `crimsun yes
[02:08] <Poromies> why is it bad?
[02:08] <`crimsun> corza, did you post your Xorg logfile anywhere?
[02:09] <krueger> It takes time to upgrade with a 256 KB bandwich :D
[02:09] <corza> indeed.. hold on i'll just find the forum
[02:09] <corza> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=235239#post235239
[02:09] <Seveas> Poromies, suboptimal to wrong solutions, no explanations at all, author is not cooperating...
[02:11] <sktrdie> is the Ubuntu package tool the same as the Debian?
[02:11] <corza> no
[02:11] <corza> very different
[02:11] <aaron_> Leliel_Stormhawk, have you google, searched and checked out the Ubuntu wiki, read the FAQ etc?
[02:11] <sktrdie> is it bigger?
[02:11] <chrissturm> sktrdie, its basically the same
[02:12] <abbe80> I am running ubuntu. How can I see the cpu temp  ?
[02:12] <sktrdie> cat /proc/cpuinfo?
[02:12] <Seveas> cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/*/temperature
[02:12] <`crimsun> sktrdie, it's the same. The frontend is slightly different.
[02:12] <abbe80> ok
[02:12] <abbe80> thanks
[02:13] <Seveas> or use gdesklets :)
[02:13] <Seveas> sktrdie, apt-get is apt-get
[02:13] <Seveas> no difference there
[02:14] <Seveas> same for other apt tools, they are the same in Ubuntu and Debian...
[02:14] <abbe80> I didn't see the temperature
[02:14] <`crimsun> corza, I don't see the logfile anywhere
[02:14] <`crimsun> corza, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, that is
[02:15] <Leliel_Stormhawk> aaron_, no matter, fixed it now, was outputting on the wrong line
[02:15] <sktrdie> Seveas: i see... well do you advice Ubuntu over gentoo?
[02:16] <corza> k hold on..
[02:16] <Seveas> sktrdie, absolutely :)
[02:16] <jo> take 2
[02:16] <elmago> http://rafb.net/paste/results/omoOGi46.html
[02:16] <Seveas> sktrdie, but as an Ubuntu fan I am biased of course
[02:16] <sktrdie> Seveas: well Gentoo is extremely adjustable
[02:16] <elmago> plz can somebody help me
[02:16] <elmago> i want to install new ipw2200 driver
[02:16] <Seveas> sktrdie, Ubuntu is too...
[02:17] <Seveas> sktrdie, but Ubuntu comes with Sensible Defaults(tm)
[02:17] <sktrdie> I see, because I'm full of errrors when emerging stuff in  Getnoo...
[02:17] <corza> `crimsum http://pastebin.com/305414
[02:17] <sktrdie> Seveas: what do you  mean
[02:17] <sktrdie> Sensible Defaults
[02:19] <Seveas> sktrdie, I mean that by default the settings of the systems are really good and don't require much tweaking
[02:19] <pmjdebruijn> does anybody here know how I can use the Sound Juicer to rip my music to MP3? Do I need to install gstreamer-lame or something, anyway that's not in the repository
[02:20] <deliad> hey guys
[02:20] <deliad> problem
[02:20] <deliad> i have 2 sound cards
[02:20] <deliad> how i can choose who be the default for play music?
[02:21] <deliad> :|
[02:22] <deliad> how i can choose who be the default for play music?
[02:22] <Whistler> how do i remove ati driver
[02:22] <Whistler> ?
[02:23] <liable> Whistler: was it a deb?
[02:23] <Whistler> nope
[02:23] <liable> and... it was.....
[02:23] <Whistler> sh
[02:23] <sktrdie> Seveas: I see.. It comes with defualt installation of X? and GNOME?
[02:23] <Whistler> file
[02:23] <liable> make uninstall
[02:24] <Whistler> how?
[02:24] <liable> in the directory, where the source is.
[02:24] <respinK-[PoK] > anyone experience with ubuntu running on a pc like Celeren ca 413MHz, 128MB, 10GB, 8MB ATi Rage?
[02:25] <pmjdebruijn> respinK-[PoK] , should run reasonably... but it won't fly...
[02:25] <respinK-[PoK] > k
[02:25] <respinK-[PoK] > thnx
[02:25] <pmjdebruijn> respinK-[PoK] , adding a bit of ram to a total of 256 might improve your situation a bit...
[02:26] <respinK-[PoK] > just want it as a office and INet PC... to sell it at University. Think so too bout the ram, but those 128mb are my last SDR sticks. ;-)
[02:28] <pmjdebruijn> respinK-[PoK] , like i said should work reasonably... but don't expect it to fly...
[02:28] <respinK-[PoK] > you hear a lot about the so called "very, very, veeeery bad" ATi Linux support. Does that only apply to the new RadeOn Cards, or do i have to face complications with my Rage, too?
[02:28] <pmjdebruijn> respinK-[PoK] , no very old card have good 2D support and some (probably not yours) have 3D support too
[02:29] <pmjdebruijn> Radeon 7000 - 9250 have reasonably good opensource drivers
[02:29] <respinK-[PoK] > k, i c
[02:29] <deliad> how i can choose who be the default for play music?
[02:29] <pmjdebruijn> anything newer than a 9250 requires ATi sucky proprietary drivers
[02:29] <liable> respinK-[PoK] : 7500 here supported by the kenel with 3D, shitty speeds, but I dont game.
[02:30] <rasputnik> respinK-[PoK]  : depends what ui you're running. lose gnome and it'll be cool (though the more ram you can feed it the better)
[02:30] <Whistler> i have got 9600
[02:31] <Whistler> and i cant make hardware acceleration work
[02:31] <geko> guys guys anyone uses firefox and mplayer plugin?
[02:31] <Whistler> =[
[02:31] <respinK-[PoK] > liable well thats a quite fast card in comparison to my Rage. But as i said, its just office and stuff... Really dont wanna try to run 3d games or so on a Celeron like mine...;)
[02:34] <respinK-[PoK] > btw ram: what do i have to do to make a swap partition? I was stuck trying to install slackware at that point. Anything special here or is ubuntu less demanding in that point?
[02:35] <jtan325> hmm
[02:36] <jtan325> my internet doesn't work when i login
[02:36] <geko> guys
[02:36] <liable> respinK-[PoK] : try at least 500 mgs
[02:36] <jtan325> but then i start messing around with some network settings and then it does
[02:36] <geko> i have installed kde env, using apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[02:36] <geko> i wanna remove it due some space problem
[02:36] <geko> but if i select it from synaptic
[02:36] <geko> it doesn't removes all the package it installed
[02:36] <jtan325> or is it due to the ethernet device taking time to load?
[02:37] <me> silly question: how can i check how much RAM my computer has (in general) [its not my computer, its my friends]
[02:37] <liable> geko: there should be a menu to purge all files iirc.
[02:37] <Seveas> me, cat /proc/meminfo
[02:37] <neofeed> How do I build a driver inside the Ubuntu kernel tree?
[02:37] <Seveas> geko, use debfoster
[02:37] <rootbeer> morning all
[02:38] <Seveas> neofeed, with module-assistant
[02:38] <neofeed> make modules modules_install obviously does not do it.
[02:38] <sktrdie> is this the official ubuntu channel?
[02:38] <jtan325> actually, uh i can't use firefox or gaim or anything else
[02:38] <Seveas> sktrdie, yes
[02:38] <jtan325> my internet is partially broken
[02:38] <jtan325> i can only use xchat
[02:38] <jtan325> what is going on?
[02:38] <neofeed> Seveas, where do I find that?
[02:39] <neofeed> Seveas, thanks, found it
[02:39] <liable> jtan325: is it wireless? behind a router? dhcp? firewall? more details...
[02:39] <geko> thx guys
[02:39] <jtan325> it's on a campus network
[02:40] <jtan325> i think it's dhcp, because the static ip option doesn't let me do anything (can't click OK)
[02:40] <jtan325> when i try to go to google, it doesn't connect. same with gaim
[02:40] <jtan325> but how am i even talking here then....
[02:41] <me> Seveas, the memtotal is the RAM + swap or just ram ?
[02:42] <jtan325> liable: any ideas?
[02:42] <dbernar1> jtan325: wireless?
[02:42] <jtan325> nooe
[02:42] <jtan325> nope, ethernet
[02:42] <dbernar1> ping something.
[02:42] <Seveas> me, just mem
[02:42] <jtan325> yeah pinging google says it can't find it
[02:43] <Seveas> there is a swaptotal too :)
[02:43] <dbernar1> ping your university site.
[02:43] <dbernar1> by name
[02:43] <liable> jtan325: what does 'sudo ifconfig' say?
[02:44] <jtan325> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0D:56:3A:97:0F
[02:44] <jtan325>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:44] <jtan325>           inet6 addr: fe80::20d:56ff:fe3a:970f/64 Scope:Link
[02:44] <jtan325>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[02:44] <jtan325>           RX packets:2764 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[02:44] <jtan325>           TX packets:387 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[02:44] <jtan325>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[02:44] <jtan325>           RX bytes:312636 (305.3 KiB)  TX bytes:35900 (35.0 KiB)
[02:44] <Seveas> jtan325, NEVER paste in here
[02:44] <Seveas> read the topic
[02:44] <b_e_n_z> thank you!
[02:44] <geko> thx to all
[02:44] <geko> now is fine
[02:45] <geko> my only problem is that mplayer plugin for firefox, doesn't display video
[02:45] <geko> it buffers
[02:45] <dbernar1> Seveas: so, when is he gonna be speaking?
[02:45] <rasputnik> jtan325 : what else have you tried? do you mean 'the web is broken'
[02:45] <geko> and play it, but doesn't show anything
[02:45] <dbernar1> oh
[02:45] <Seveas> jtan325, if you paste in here again, you will be banned.
[02:45] <jtan325> sorry seveas
[02:45] <jtan325> and everyone else
[02:45] <dbernar1> thats fine.
[02:45] <dbernar1> now, did you try pinging the university site by name?
[02:46] <jtan325> i haven't slept all night :-)
[02:46] <jtan325> ok one sec
[02:47] <jtan325> says it couldn't be found
[02:47] <dbernar1> ok, now ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:47] <jtan325> i am doing this through "network tools"
[02:47] <dbernar1> go into a terminal
[02:47] <dbernar1> ping www.example.com
[02:47] <dbernar1> on any os
[02:48] <dbernar1> does pinging an IP work?
[02:48] <rasputnik> jtan325: I can see you from here ok (in washington yeah?)
[02:48] <jtan325> ping: unknown host www.google.com
[02:48] <jtan325> yes
[02:48] <dbernar1> ping the IP address above
[02:48] <rasputnik> jtan325: your dns is borked
[02:48] <dbernar1> obviously. lets see if he can ping IPs.
[02:48] <lesshaste> #linux
[02:49] <liable> jtan325: ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:49] <jtan325> example.com doesn't work either
[02:49] <lesshaste> has anyone got google earth to work in linux yet?
[02:49] <jtan325> hey that one worked
[02:49] <dbernar1> ok, good.
[02:49] <rasputnik> dbernar1 : he's online mate. that's as good a network test as anything
[02:50] <liable> jtan325: ok, whats, 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' say?
[02:50] <rasputnik> jtan325 : paste /etc/resolv.conf into rafb.net/paste
[02:50] <dbernar1> do cat /etc/network/interfaces after too
[02:50] <jtan325> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:50] <Seveas> only that..?
[02:50] <jtan325> that's all it say
[02:50] <Matthew> I get an error 12 when I try to boot Ubuntu from hard drive
[02:50] <Seveas> jtan325, the router you connect to is b0rked
[02:51] <jtan325> hrmm but all i've done is plug into the wall
[02:51] <rasputnik> Seveas : what? his internal dns server is screwed, is all.
[02:51] <bagel> how is (personal experience) ubuntu's pcmcia support?
[02:51] <jtan325> with an ethernet cable
[02:51] <dbernar1> jtan325: do the command I gave you above, and paste it to that pastebin,.
[02:51] <liable> someone give him a dns address.
[02:51] <jtan325> but i did
[02:51] <jtan325> that's what it produced, "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"
[02:51] <jtan325> (that's all)
[02:52] <rasputnik> jtan325 : he means the '/etc/network/interfaces' bit.
[02:52] <dbernar1> <IP_ADDRESS> I think is verizon, or sbc.
[02:52] <liable> jtan325: paste the output of 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' to rafb.net
[02:52] <rasputnik> jtan325 : how are you connecting? through uni?
[02:52] <jtan325> yes
[02:52] <jtan325> how can i paste to rafb.net
[02:52] <selinium> How do I logoff another user remotely?
[02:52] <dbernar1> hehe
[02:53] <rasputnik> jtan325 : ah good point hehe
[02:53] <jtan325> i can't connect...
[02:53] <liable> jtan325: /J #flood, and paste there.
[02:53] <sime> How can I get the digital out working on my soundblaster card working ?
[02:53] <dbernar1> <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:53] <dbernar1> is rafb.net
[02:53] <jtan325> well i pasted in flood
[02:53] <Matthew> can someone help me with a hassle]
[02:54] <corza> i'm having trouble with installing nvidia drivers
[02:54] <topyli> Matthew: depends on the nature of the hassle :)
[02:54] <corza> "No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel"
[02:54] <Matthew> topyli: I get an error 12 when I try to boot Ubuntu from hard drive
[02:54] <geko> guys need i some sort of plugin for mplayer to see wmv files?
[02:54] <corza> anyone recognise that message?
[02:55] <Seveas> corza, do NOT install drivers from nvidia.com
[02:55] <geko> if i open a such file, it freezes
[02:55] <rasputnik> jtan325 : look mate,your dns is broken. you need a valid nameserver to put in /etc/resolv.conf, and we can't tell you one. you need your network admin or isp
[02:55] <corza> Seveas, i have tried the other tutorials.. it made things worse
[02:55] <Seveas> corza, simly use the linux-restricted-modules package and nvidia-glx-enable
[02:55] <Seveas> that is ALL
[02:55] <berkes> oi
[02:55] <corza> I have done that
[02:55] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, why is that?
[02:56] <corza> already! it did not fix the problem, it made it worse
[02:56] <Seveas> corza, maybe you screwed it up by trying other things first...
[02:56] <aurax> hello
[02:56] <dbernar1> yo
[02:56] <aurax> whats up
[02:56] <jtan325> hmm that didn't fix it
[02:56] <berkes> i have this module I try to compile, but it keeps looking for /usr/src/linux/Makefile
[02:56] <corza> maybe i didnt, because i didnt do fucking shit first
[02:56] <rasputnik> jtan325 : what didn't fix it
[02:56] <Seveas> geko, you ned w32codecs
[02:56] <jtan325> adding the dns
[02:56] <berkes> i thought that installing linux-source would do the trick, but that seems to have only installed a tarball
[02:56] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, why shoudl one not use the drivers provided by nvidia?
[02:56] <Seveas> corza, well, than you did it wrong....
[02:57] <dbernar1> ok, put in <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:57] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, these are incorporated in the linux-restricted-modules package
[02:57] <KhaBal> whats the difference betwen ubuntu and debian?
[02:57] <jtan325> what doesn't make sense is a) how am i talking on xchat at all, and b) internet was completely fine the last time i logged on, which was like 30 minutes ago
[02:57] <Seveas> and this package integrates much cleaner with the Ubuntu system
[02:57] <jtan325> dbernar1: ok
[02:57] <corza> i have posted it on ubuntu forums and they had said use them drivers from nvidia.com
[02:57] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, that does not answer the question. why shoudl you not get your drivers from nvidia.com?
[02:57] <Seveas> jtan325, it loooks like the internal dns server of the router has gone dead
[02:57] <dbernar1> jtan325: ?? hehe, you should have just unplugged, plugged back in, if it worked before.
[02:57] <berkes> any more hints on where to get the kernel sourcecode
[02:57] <`crimsun> corza, I'll read your posted logfile momentarily. (at work)
[02:57] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, read please...
[02:58] <`crimsun> berkes, linux-tree-2.6.10
[02:58] <KhaBal> corza: i have a nvidia driver, dont you just go to synaptic and look for nvidia and install all the things list on nvidia?
[02:58] <Seveas> it DOES answer that question...
[02:58] <berkes> aha tree :)
[02:58] <selinium> I have a user on gdmflexiserver that has not come up properly, how do i 'kill' them ! Mwuu Ha Ha Haaar
[02:58] <berkes> thanks
[02:58] <Seveas> selinium, sudo su to that user and issue a kill -9 -1 :)
[02:58] <jtan325> dbernar1: that doesn't work either
[02:58] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, no it doesn't, since if i have a customised kernel, the ubuntu provided drivers will not work
[02:58] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, you never said that...
[02:58] <jtan325> oh wait
[02:58] <corza> KhaBal, that didnt work for me. I am pretty sure it is because my Video Card is not compatible
[02:58] <jtan325> jeeezes it worked!!!
[02:59] <jtan325> thanks a bunch
[02:59] <Matthew> Can anyone help me?  I get an error 12 when I try to boot Ubuntu from hard drive
[02:59] <KhaBal> corza: hmm could be but it worked for me 5 min job
[02:59] <KhaBal> guys whats the difference between debian and ubuntu/>
[02:59] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, customizing the kernel is a thing rarely done in modern linux distributions such as ubuntu
[02:59] <jtan325> dbernar1: this is ridiculous, did my dns servers get deleted or something?
[02:59] <selinium> Seveas: Cheers!
[02:59] <Seveas> modules solve this
[02:59] <dbernar1> welcome, thats not a fix tho, ask yuour network admin if anything is wrong with the network, and if not, ask him for the nameserver.
[02:59] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, i've allready had to do it more than once
[03:00] <berkes> KhaBal, that cannot be said in one sentence
[03:00] <dbernar1> jtan325: I think it just did not come up. DHCP can screw up, for this or that reason.
[03:00] <corza> KhaBal, when i change nv to nvidia, and remove dri etc.. it displays EXTREMELy blurry,, faded squinting very close to the screen to actually see what it has on the monitor, the only way i could see was changing xorg back to nv
[03:00] <KhaBal> berkes: lol
[03:00] <dbernar1> I thnk next time you sign in, it will work.
[03:00] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, what breaks, if you use nvidia.com drivers?
[03:00] <Seveas> Matthew, have you maybe removed a disk from your system..?
[03:00] <berkes> in a nutshell: debian is for gurus, ubunutu for human beings
[03:00] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, nothing if you install them *properly*, however properly installing them is not an easy thing to do for new users...
[03:00] <dbernar1> well, not even gurus, but, yeah, a noob is more lost in debian.
[03:01] <KhaBal> corza: did you try looking at ubuntu forums, google?
[03:01] <topyli> Matthew: when does it fail? do you see the boot loader?
[03:01] <rob^> berkes, nah, ubuntu is for desktops, debian is for servers
[03:01] <jtan325> dbernar1: i see. yeah, my speed is visibly slower
[03:01] <Learsi> how do i start samba? I searched the documentation on http://www.ubuntulinux.org and there ZER0 results...? i don't get it
[03:01] <Matthew> Seveas:  This is a new installation of Ubuntu
[03:01] <Seveas> rob^, complete nonsense...
[03:01] <KhaBal> berkes: i see :) but anyone could use debian
[03:01] <berkes> rob^, not really
[03:01] <jtan325> dbernar1: so i should just log out and log back in?
[03:01] <dbernar1> cause you are looking up DNS in Canada:)
[03:01] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, installing them properly is a completel walk in the park, unless ubuntu does somethign strange
[03:01] <rob^> hehe debian vs ubuntu wars
[03:01] <dbernar1> sure, try that, but remember the IP addresses of teh DNS, so at least something works.
[03:01] <berkes> rob^ I know a lot of ppl who use ubuntu for servers and debian for desktops
[03:01] <jtan325> dbernar1: hahahaha awesome. so dhcp is something that automatically resolves names
[03:01] <jtan325> dbernar1: or does it find the dns
[03:02] <rob^> berkes, I used to be one of those debian desktop people
[03:02] <KhaBal> i might try Debian one day sounds more powerful than ubuntu
[03:02] <berkes> rob^, ubuntu even has a special server setup
[03:02] <dbernar1> any time network doesw not work, always reboot, try connecting several times.
[03:02] <rob^> yeah I installed that a few days ago
[03:02] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, installing them properly is a walk in the park of you know what you are doing, but remember that new users usually are quite clueless about such things
[03:02] <KhaBal> jtan325: i have dhcp automatically detects internet
[03:02] <dbernar1> Looks up DNS servers.
[03:02] <lucer> hi
[03:02] <berkes> `crimsun, that -tree thing did not really solve my issue it seems,
[03:02] <dbernar1> and gives youi an IP address, and stuff.
[03:02] <dbernar1> stuff in particular.
[03:02] <Seveas> plus, upgrading is much easier using the ubuntu packages...
[03:02] <liable> KhaBal: not more powerfull, you just have to configure it yourself.
[03:02] <berkes> I now have a linux-patches in src, but still no linux source :)
[03:02] <lucer> how i can configure my interface wireless eth0 with wlan0???
[03:02] <jtan325> dbernar1: "try connecting several times" what do you mean by that
[03:02] <KhaBal> liable: like harder to use?
[03:03] <jtan325> dbernar1: log out/log in?
[03:03] <dbernar1> like if it dont work, disco, and connect again,
[03:03] <dbernar1> yeah, unplug, leave it off.
[03:03] <Seveas> if you use a standard ubuntu kernel and self-installed drivers, things will break when you upgrade your kernel...
[03:03] <KhaBal> dbernarl: whats the problem?
[03:03] <aaron_> can someone please tell me how to change the default file associations? e.g. when I open a file in the file browser, change the default application which opens that file.
[03:03] <dbernar1> then plug back in, and connect again.
[03:03] <jtan325> dbernar1: gotcha
[03:03] <dbernar1> KhaBal: dber<tab>
[03:03] <liable> KhaBal: not really, but doesnt have some of the scripts and kernel modules ubuntu has, so you have to compile and configure.
[03:03] <berkes> Seveas, were you commenting to me, there?
[03:03] <Seveas> aaron_, rightclick on the file, select properties
[03:03] <Learsi> so what do i type to get the server config statrts that your talking about, please?
[03:03] <Seveas> berkes, not at all
[03:04] <dbernar1> aaron_: Open With tab.
[03:04] <berkes> because I try to compile a module/driver too :)
[03:04] <KhaBal> liable: sounds interesting, i love solving problems ATM im trying to get my website working with LAMP
[03:04] <dbernar1> But, you have to open with something else first through right click for more porgrams to be listed.
[03:04] <Matthew> Topyli: It says GRUB loading please wait... then Error 18
[03:04] <liable> KhaBal: try it :)
[03:04] <KhaBal> Gentoo From Scratch: hardest and most educational experience you'll ever have
[03:05] <rasputnik> Matthem: it was 12 a minute ago
[03:05] <KhaBal> liable; didnt know what to download theres all these flavours lol
[03:05] <dbernar1> KhaBal: do you like chocolate or vanilla better, or perhaps strawberry, its a matter of tastes.
[03:05] <Matthew> rasputnik:sorry I just checked it again
[03:05] <KhaBal> lol
[03:06] <KhaBal> what debian made in india?
[03:06] <KhaBal> theres a place called debai there or soemthing
[03:06] <dbernar1> KhaBal: there is a post on the debian FAQ on how to set up lamp, maybe there is one on the ubuntu wiki
[03:06] <topyli> Matthew: hrm. fixing grub is a bit complicated. boot from a rescue cd-rom, mount your root partition, chroot to it, grub-install
[03:06] <dbernar1> Deb+Ian
[03:06] <KhaBal> dbernarl: is setting up like how to install or how to use it?
[03:06] <aaron_> Seveas, dbernarl: I mean globaly for that particular file type?
[03:06] <dbernar1> dber<tab>
[03:06] <`crimsun> berkes, you need linux-headers-$(uname -r) to compile kernel modules
[03:06] <corza> `crimsun .any progress?
[03:06] <dbernar1> its a 1
[03:06] <rasputnik> Matthew: did something change, or is this a new install
[03:07] <Seveas> aaron_, that changes it globallt
[03:07] <Seveas> globally*
[03:07] <berkes> KhaBal, you should consider using the 'server' parameter when installing ubuntu
[03:07] <Seveas> (for the current user)
[03:07] <dbernar1> how to install
[03:07] <`crimsun> berkes, you didn't ask for the headers, you asked for the source, hence my previous answer
[03:07] <KhaBal> berkes: dont remember what i installed
[03:07] <jtan325> dbernar1: yay i found the ip addresses of the campus "caching servers"
[03:07] <`crimsun> corza, in a few minutes, I'm busy preparing for a transcontinental flight
[03:07] <dbernar1> good stuff. caching? I guess another name for it...
[03:07] <jtan325> dbernar1: just curious, how was i still able to use xchat though
[03:07] <corza> okay...
[03:07] <Matthew> topyli:thanks but I don't know how to do that
[03:07] <dbernar1> cause you had an IP address.
[03:08] <rasputnik> jtan325 : cool that's your dns servers
[03:08] <dbernar1> But no Domain Name resolution, so you could not convert from www.google.com to <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:08] <berkes> `crimsun, okay, I have these. Should i simply place a symlink linx to linux-header*** ?
[03:08] <rasputnik> jtan325, dbernar1 : odd that xchat uses an IP though?
[03:09] <Matthew> rasputnik:No, this is a new installation I think I just read the error code wrong
[03:09] <dbernar1> rasputnik: likely a cache:)
[03:09] <neofeed> okay module-assistant did not help... I have injected/modified some of the code of a module...
[03:09] <neofeed> how do I now compile that module? and install it?
[03:09] <KhaBal> i might try slackware, tried it before really difficult half of the packages weren't installed lol and the man pages werent a help either
[03:09] <dep1> anyone know where to download windows fonts for linux? (arial,times,..)
[03:10] <Seveas> dep1, search for the msttcorefonts package
[03:10] <KhaBal> dep1: gnome, KDE, fluxbox?
[03:10] <dep1> KDE
[03:10] <KhaBal> try the KDE website
[03:10] <jtan325> dbernar1, rasputnik what is the "search domain"
[03:10] <aaron_> Seveas, dbernarl: oh? thanks!
[03:10] <dbernar1> dudes, its a one
[03:10] <Learsi> slack as a server isn't bad...was running in a couple hours and i knew nothing about linux
[03:10] <topyli> Matthew: maybe this helps: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=232
[03:10] <dbernar1> dber<tab>
[03:11] <topyli> Matthew: assuminig it is a grub problem at all
[03:11] <berkes> aargh. now the module that compiles needs a directory /lib/modules/2.6.10/build
[03:11] <Seveas> dep1, it is in hoary multiverse
[03:11] <Learsi> exit
[03:11] <corza> `crimsun if u could post it on that forum would be wonderful coz i gotta go thanx
[03:11] <berkes> any clues where I can find or get that?
[03:11] <Matthew> topyli:thanks
[03:11] <KhaBal> learsi: i see i recon ubuntu the best
[03:11] <berkes> qqh, NM, my error
[03:12] <Sturmkind> hello
[03:12] <jtan325> dbernar1, rasputnik : thanks alot man, i am going to catch a few hours of nap time before going to work.
[03:12] <Learsi> KhaBal: maybe...i'm trying to set it up as a server now
[03:12] <dbernar1> jtan325: no idea, never heard, google helps.
[03:12] <dbernar1> ok, go dude.
[03:13] <Sturmkind> after a new ubuntu installation ther is a folder /.dev and a folder /dev. what happens?
[03:13] <KhaBal> Learsi: what kind of server?
[03:13] <dbernar1> I gotta get those Vorandesh Yenbut fonts...
[03:14] <Learsi> http/mysql/php, samba and ftp would be nice
[03:14] <Seveas> Sturmkind, /.dev is a backup of the old static /dev
[03:14] <Seveas>  /dev in ubuntu is managed by udev instead of devfs
[03:14] <dbernar1> aptitude install apache proftpd/vsftpd
[03:15] <dbernar1> proftpd is ftp, vsftpd is sftp
[03:15] <dbernar1> choose one.
[03:15] <Learsi> ummm ok i'll enter it...thanks
[03:15] <Seveas> dbernar1, vsftpd can do both
[03:15] <Sturmkind> Seveas: ah thank you. so i shouldn't kill /.dev
[03:15] <Seveas> proftpd might be able to do both too (not sure)
[03:15] <dbernar1> Seveas: I dont like it, it dont let me login using command line
[03:15] <dbernar1> I would need to learn.
[03:15] <Seveas> Sturmkind, it does not take up space, so you shouldn't unless you have a good reason
[03:16] <Seveas> ftp is a crappy protocol anyway security wise
[03:16] <dbernar1> ya
[03:16] <Seveas> better use an ssh connection with scp / mc or nautilus
[03:16] <dbernar1> totally bad, I couldnt believe it when I found out.
[03:16] <Sturmkind> Seveas: thank you! ;-)
[03:17] <aaron_> Sturmkind, I agree with Seveas. scp is more secure
[03:17] <dbernar1> Do you think you can ssh -X into linux from OS X?
[03:17] <dbernar1> aaron_: Sturmkind had nothing to do with the conversation,
[03:17] <aaron_> ah
[03:17] <Seveas> dbernar1, if you have X running on your osx system, yes
[03:17] <dbernar1> nice
[03:17] <aaron_> lol
[03:18] <dbernar1> I think Ill try it now.
[03:18] <Sturmkind> aaron_: not my question *g*
[03:18] <aaron_> yeah i know,
[03:18] <aaron_> my bad
[03:20] <dbernar1> you are now banned.
[03:20] <dbernar1> from eternia
[03:20] <dbernar1> ?
[03:20] <rasputnik> dbernar1 : yes, but you need a local Xserver
[03:20] <dbernar1> wheres that from? where did I get that from? he-man?
[03:20] <Grooby_> hey all, ive install ubuntu on my desktop replacing XP last night
[03:20] <dbernar1> yay!
[03:20] <rasputnik> Seveas : sftp is the way to go (assuming users have local account)
[03:20] <dbernar1> hehe
[03:20] <Grooby_> so far so good but for some reason, NFS seems really really slow
[03:21] <Learsi> us there great advantage over ftp verson sftp... i'll google that actually
[03:21] <Grooby_> forum said i need to modprobe nvnet with options to enable duplex
[03:21] <Grooby_> yet i don't have the nvnet module
[03:21] <rasputnik> Learsi : no, ftp is feckin evil
[03:21] <Seveas> rasputnik, pureftpd can use sftp with virtual accounts....
[03:21] <Seveas> I assume vsftpd can do that too...
[03:21] <rasputnik> Learsi : handy for public files, but thats' it. anything not public shouldn't be on it
[03:21] <Learsi> sftp is it then or are you sayin g both are bad
[03:22] <rasputnik> Seveas : I was thinking of the built-in sftp server in sshd
[03:22] <Learsi> well that
[03:22] <Seveas> rasputnik, that requires local accounts indeed
[03:22] <rasputnik> Learsi : sftp is fine, it's just another way of talking to ssh
[03:22] <Learsi> is what i want it for...serving some files and that sort of thing
[03:22] <cashew> Anyone got a dual screen nvidia working without the binary driver?
[03:22] <rob^^^> hrmm, if I get a bluetooth headset, what are the chances I can cajole it into working with gnome-meeting or the like?
[03:23] <dbernar1_> that is just incredible. I am amazed. (the -X thing from Mac to Linux.)
[03:23] <Learsi> the http server is the real prioority for me
[03:23] <rasputnik> Seveas : my current favourite is webdav over ssl, especially for web publishing.
[03:23] <rasputnik> dbernar_: where do you think they stole it from :)
[03:24] <Seveas> dbernar1, it can work from windows too
[03:24] <dbernar1_> no but I mean, it totally loads the whole X thing.   Is it possible to make an account with an empty password work via telnet?  If so, how?
[03:24] <Learsi> dumb
[03:24] <rasputnik> Seveas : you parsed 'they' wrong
[03:24] <Seveas> :)
[03:24] <dbernar1_> I totally dont see why I would use the Mac anymore, hehe, well, not really. I can totally sign into my comp and do anything from there...
[03:24] <Seveas> not the other way around either
[03:24] <xoz> SleepyEye: man ssh. don't use telnet
[03:25] <Seveas> free things cannot be stolen
[03:25] <dbernar1_> altho, yeah, there are things which make it less desirable
[03:25] <rasputnik> SleepyEye : why in gods name would you want that
[03:25] <CarlFK> SleepyEye - why?  there is probably a much better way to achive what you want
[03:25] <Seveas> SleepyEye, you are asking: "is it possible to remove all locks from all doors of my house"
[03:25] <dbernar1_> ha, SleepyEye that would be just great, an account with no password for telnet
[03:25] <goldfish> It is possible, and quite possible to get rooted soon after.
[03:25] <sly> Seveas nice compare
[03:26] <SleepyEye> Private network....no security concern
[03:26] <Seveas> SleepyEye, passwordless ssh can be achieved with the use of ssh keys
[03:26] <xoz> SleepyEye: you can configure ssh to use ssh-agent authentication so that you don't have to type you passwd after you have been authenticated once
[03:26] <Seveas> ssh-add is nice :)
[03:27] <SleepyEye> The problem with that is the machines that will be connecting will be first time connections during "hands-off" install of Ubuntu.
[03:27] <Sly> i have a question is Ubuntu sticking to being a 1disk distro or a few releases down the line gonna change ?
[03:28] <alicia> I'm trying to add mp3's to Rhythmbox from a CD and it keeps saying that "there is no plugin to handle an MP3 file" Anyone know what's up?
[03:28] <CarlFK> SleepyEye - now I am realy sure htere ius a better way.  so again
[03:28] <CarlFK> SleepyEye - why?  there is probably a much better way to achive what you want
[03:28] <Seveas> SleepyEye, you cannot do that with the ubuntu installer...
[03:29] <rasputnik> SleepyEye : are you rolling your own installer?
[03:29] <tbrenner> does anyone know the command for installing xfce?
[03:29] <BobaFett> Hey guys ... anyone has had issues with rhythmbox?
[03:29] <rasputnik> tbrenner : apt-get install xfce ?
[03:29] <chrissturm> tbrenner, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[03:29] <SleepyEye> I'm doing it with ubuntu installer already.  Just need server to allow access to passwordless account
[03:30] <alicia> BobaFett, I am having problems importing mp3's
[03:30] <CarlFK> SleepyEye - here is how I do all my installs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall
[03:30] <gm78> tbrenner, the version shipped with ubuntu is a bit out of date, u can get the latest version from xfce.org and it has a nice graphical installer
[03:30] <rasputnik> SleepyEye : if you really are secured, you could look at r(login|sh|cp)
[03:30] <dbernar1> so, can you then do the other way around? like, have an ssh server on the Mac, and ssh -X into it from Linux? you can right?
[03:31] <rasputnik> SleepyEye : (since telnet will expect a password, and they don't)
[03:31] <rasputnik> dbernar1 : hell yeah, it comes with openssl
[03:31] <rasputnik> *ssh
[03:31] <rob^^^> dbern: hey, can you reiterate your problem? I was semi-afk
[03:31] <SleepyEye> I tried rsh but it wanted password even though account was passwordless.
[03:32] <dbernar1> not a problem, question. It is as stated above exactly.
[03:32] <rasputnik> dbernar1 : if you have a VNC client, you can use that to get to your mac desktop too
[03:32] <dbernar1> meh, VNC, new...:-/
[03:32] <rob^^^> you can ssh into a Mac and get at all the X windows apps, but not the OS X native apps
[03:32] <dbernar1> aha, not the Mac apps, makes sense, cause they are not on X.
[03:32] <rasputnik> SleepyEye : you need the whole hosts.equiv voodoo. I'd look at ssh RSA keys with blank passwords if i was you
[03:32] <rob^^^> (btw, anyone know a quick and easy way to grep backlog in Xchat?
[03:32] <dbernar1> kk, good answer.
[03:33] <CarlFK> VNC server on Hoary - is there a way to get VNC Server (not client,  not X) to scale down a 1600x1200 desktop to 1024x768?
[03:33] <SleepyEye> rasputnik:  Thanks,  I was hoping to avoid anything that complicated.  I'm thinking about possibly doing it via an NFS share from the server.
[03:34] <BobaFett> Guys ... how can I clear out rhythmbox's configuration? I start it up and it freezes, and if I try to reinstall, it just keeps doing the same...
[03:34] <cafuego> CarlFK: Not the free one, no.
[03:34] <cafuego> CarlFK: The entreprise one can do that.
[03:34] <CarlFK> cafuego - rats.  thanks
[03:34] <cafuego> CarlFK: Thought using  abrowser on a 16001200 scaled down to 100x80 desktop is quite shit.
[03:34] <vniki> someone had installed mythtv on ubuntu?
[03:34] <CarlFK> cafuego?  what enterpirse one?
[03:35] <cafuego> CarlFK: yeh
[03:35] <rasputnik> CarlFK : are you running vncserver, or something else?
[03:35] <rob^^^> CarlFK: is this the VNC on Gnome, or OS X?
[03:35] <cafuego> CarlFK: www.realvnc.com
[03:35] <cafuego> CarlFK: It's payware, needsa  licence key
[03:35] <CarlFK> VNCserver on Ubuntu, Clients on win/mac/Linux
[03:35] <rob^^^> BTW, any depserado's care to take a stab at adding avahi support to Vino? That's a bit out of my league
[03:36] <rob^^^> CarlFK: you could probably do it via xrandr over ssh before connecting
[03:36] <SleepyEye> What I don't get is making passwordless accounts work on other linux distro's is easy.  Why is it such on ordeal with Ubuntu.
[03:36] <CarlFK> it is for a friend that for some reason likes the gui better than a shell
[03:36] <rob^^^> if I remember correctly, it used to be changing depth/dimensions used to cause the client to crap out
[03:36] <cafuego> CarlFK: Tell him to buy a decent screen ;-)
[03:36] <rasputnik> I used tightvnc all over the place a while back. It had a vncserver script that setup XVNC and the required forwarding. You could pass Xvnc a custom XF86Config if you want and set whatever resolution you like
[03:36] <CarlFK> cafuego - good plan!
[03:37] <cafuego> CarlFK: .. or run the remote desktop in 1024x768
[03:37] <rob^^^> rasputnik: well he probably wants vino
[03:37] <rob^^^> maybe not though, but that's my guess
[03:37] <CarlFK> rasputnik -  that was my idea: run UltraVnc server on win (whichis free and dos server side scaling) connect to that, the connect from that to Ubunto.. weee!!!
[03:37] <occy> heh
[03:37] <occy> has ANYONE found a good use for totem?
[03:38] <occy> out of the box it doesn't even play ogg video...which is open source!
[03:38] <occy> it's craptacular.
[03:38] <Justin> occy: install totem-xine ?
[03:38] <occy> Bastien is a friend of mine... but... heh
[03:38] <rasputnik> rob^^: to export an existing desktop? yeah, that's doable but I prefer running multiple ones myself
[03:38] <BobaFett> Guys ... how can I clear out rhythmbox's configuration? I start it up and it freezes, and if I try to reinstall, it just keeps doing the same...
[03:38] <occy> Justin, shouldn't totem (that ships with Ubuntu) actually DO something?
[03:38] <Justin> occy: or gstreamer0.8-vorbis ?
[03:38] <chrissturm> occy, install the gstreamer plugins
[03:38] <occy> I mean, what does it actually play?
[03:39] <occy> I've not found one thing it will play sucessfully.
[03:39] <bassgoon> is there any place to get the amd64 dvd?
[03:39] <Justin> yeah, gstreamer0.8-plugins should do it, or just install totem-xine
[03:39] <rasputnik> CarlFK : I've run VMWare on a vncserver virtual XVNC on NetBSD. Inside VMware there's a copy of win98 running tightvnc and I connected to *that* using VNC viewer on a Mac.
[03:39] <occy> anyway

[03:39] <occy> :)
[03:39] <rasputnik> CarlFK : and it was *still* easier than getting wine to run kazaalite
[03:40] <CarlFK> rasputnik - sounds like fun
[03:41] <bassgoon> is there a working torrent or other dl for the amd64 dvd?
[03:41] <CarlFK> rasputnik - sounds like what I do instead of what I should be doing ;)
[03:42] <deancolinux> Hello, can anyone point me to a good tutorial on installing XMLTV?
[03:42] <ateves> can i use KDE applications in gnome? e.g. amaroK player?