[07:06] <diplo> Morning all
[07:22] <AlanBell> morning
[07:55] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[08:07] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:10] <christel> GOOD MORNING <3
[08:13] <daubers> PARDON
[08:13] <mgdm> WHAT WAS THAT
[08:16] <dutchie> o/
[08:16] <daubers> THREE YOU SAY?
[08:48] <JamesTait> Morning all! :)
[08:49] <oimon> does planet ubuntu uk still work?
[08:49] <AlanBell> doesn't look like it
[08:51] <christel> GOOD MORNING JamesTait and oimon \o/
[08:51] <oimon> YES VERY NICE DAY
[08:51] <christel> YES
[08:52] <hoover> good morning all
[08:53] <oimon> hmm much as i like lightread, it has a tendency to not update stuff sometimes :S
[08:55] <oimon> oh, i've just seen the way that chrome does print preview - very nice!
[09:00] <diplo> Mine just spins and doesn't update
[09:00] <diplo> :/
[09:23] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:23] <oimon> diplo, your what, your lightread?
[09:24] <oimon> mine has succumbed to the spinny not updating thing too
[09:27] <oimon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightread/+bug/1029999
[09:28] <diplo> yeah spinny thing on lightread
[09:28]  * diplo looks at link
[09:29] <diplo> yeah I guessed it wasn't authed properly
[09:29] <diplo> Hadn't got round to signing in yet
[09:29] <oimon> i was using it since release
[09:29] <oimon> then it died  - maybe after i accessed from abnother machine?
[09:30] <oimon> when i sign in i get the Downloading items |[09:31] <diplo> I'll try reauthing now as I'm talking about it.
[09:32] <oimon> under edit-preferences do you see an OK button? my window is cropped
[09:32] <diplo> nope, cropped here as well
[09:33] <oimon> excellent app let down by some basic bugs that all users get :(
[09:37] <diplo> Can't see a bug for the ok ?
[09:37] <oimon> leave it 10 mins ;)
[09:37] <oimon> i have another bug too
[09:38] <diplo> Put as affecting me on the other one aswell
[09:38] <oimon> hmm is it this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightread/+bug/1034413
[09:39] <diplo> It's very much like that, but i do see the show notifications with a few pixels of the bottom
[09:39] <oimon> it's a badly named big but essentially the same thing
[09:40] <oimon> s/big/bug/
[09:40] <diplo> OK, assigned myself to that one as well
[09:41] <diplo> Ought to try and fix some of these one day, means me trying to do something outside of work which i suck at :)
[09:44] <popey> I'm sure the author would appreciate the help diplo
[09:44] <popey> bite-size bugs like this are a good way in
[09:44] <oimon> what is it written in?
[09:44] <oimon> would be a nice project to start on
[09:45] <popey> /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/lightread/bin/lightread: a /usr/bin/python script, ASCII text executable
[09:45] <BigRedS> I keep wondering about learnign python as a way of making more of these bugs accessible to me
[09:46] <BigRedS> but then I realise that if I like Perl, it's not likely that any python dev will like my Python :)
[09:46] <popey> i think python is less susceptible to that, certainly less than perl
[09:47] <oimon> perl is hideusly obfuscable
[09:49] <diplo> BigRedS: I've been teaching myself python recently
[09:49] <dutchie> <3 python
[09:49] <diplo> more for scripting, but watched a few vids and it's fairly simple
[09:50] <diplo> to create gui apps etc
[09:52] <BigRedS> yeah, every time I come up with a project to write in a new language I seem to spend about half an hour on it and then think "sod it, I'll just do this in perl"
[09:52] <BigRedS> everything else seems to get string handling so horribly wrong. :)
[09:52] <diplo> heh
[09:52] <dutchie> BigRedS: string handling?
[09:53] <BigRedS> yeah, mostly being able to do stuff like
[09:53] <diplo> popey: I think I'm more than capable, it's  more of me turning the PC on at home and getting motivated.. lost a lot of that
[09:53] <BigRedS> if ($string =~ /From:\s+(\S+)/)
[09:54] <BigRedS> so I mean regexes more than I do strings
[09:54] <dutchie> when all you have is a hammer^Wregexes, everything looks like a nail
[09:54] <dutchie> or something
[09:54] <BigRedS> I am aware that Perl is a glorified regex, but I don't ever seem to find the thing that whatever else is particularly better at :)
[09:54] <BigRedS> admittedly, it's been a while since 'else' wasn't PHP or C
[09:54] <dutchie> python is better than perl at not looking like line noise ;)
[09:55] <BigRedS> I find perl way more readable than I do python :)
[09:55] <dutchie> yeah, it's mostly familiarity
[09:55] <diplo> Really, I've done a fair bit of perl but still prefer python over perl with the little use of it that I have done.
[09:55] <dutchie> perl has too many magic variables that affect things in subtle ways for me to get used to
[09:55] <dutchie> $_, $/, $\ etc
[09:57] <BigRedS> but you don't need to use all of them, you just can if you like. It's not as if they're functions that're somehow intuitively implemented in other languages
[09:57] <dutchie> it's more a problem when i'm looking at other people's code that does use thenm
[09:57] <BigRedS> you always need to look up how to set what the line ending is when iterating through a file if you've not done it enough times before to have remembered it
[09:57] <dutchie> them
[09:57] <BigRedS> ah yeah
[09:58] <BigRedS> I think a big problem that nobody else seems overly bothered about is this idea that functions should be a single word rather than a descriptive term
[09:58] <BigRedS> hence things like chomp() and chop()
[09:58] <popey> thats the issue I have dutchie, fettling other peoples code
[09:59] <dutchie> although that said, it's taken me a couple of days to get my head around this python code
[10:00] <dutchie> my python is rusty after spending a month or two playing with golan
[10:00] <dutchie> g
[10:00] <diplo> Other issue I have popey is I want to work on one of Dustins Kirklands project called pictor
[10:00] <diplo> I've lp'd it out but having issues getting it working properly
[10:00] <popey> oooh, you know go dutchie ?
[10:01] <dutchie> "know"
[10:01] <diplo> Debating about editing the apt-get'd code and then adding that to the lp project and do it that way
[10:01] <dutchie> i ran through a couple of the tutorials and have been lurking on their ML for a little while
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:02] <dutchie> i tried to write a jabber server but it was too hard, so current back burner project is an api for OEIS
[10:03] <dutchie> i do know canonical use go internally to some extent
[10:03] <diplo> Morning davmor2
[10:03] <oimon> anyone who fixed lightreads papercuts would be a hero in many peoples eyes
[10:12] <popey> dutchie, do you now ;)
[10:12]  * dutchie wonders where popey is going with this
[10:12] <popey> heh
[10:13] <popey> just interested, not heard many people outside canonical use it
[10:13] <dutchie> bit.ly do iirc
[10:13] <dutchie> and obviously google
[10:14] <dutchie> a guy at my college is writing a minecraft server in go
[10:15] <davmor2> popey: there is a guy at the lug using it, he was a huge python guy but is considering a move to go instead
[10:15] <popey> hah, nice dutchie
[10:15] <dutchie> last time i saw it was not entirely functional
[10:16] <dutchie> it spawned a single chunk of netherrack, and doing such things as sprinting or opening inventory kicked you off
[10:16] <dutchie> however you could dig, but the digs weren't propagated or saved, so every time anyone logged on you had a fresh chunk
[10:16] <dutchie> somewhat bizarre
[10:29] <diplo> OK, popey to point me in the right direction
[10:29] <diplo> I want to work on this tonight
[10:30] <diplo> https://launchpad.net/pictor
[10:30] <popey> bzr branch lp:pictor
[10:30] <diplo> Who is best person to talk me through issues of setting it up to do development on it ?
[10:30] <popey> cd pictor
[10:30] <diplo> yeah got the code
[10:30] <popey> edit stuff :D
[10:30] <diplo> But it installs into /usr/share etc
[10:30] <diplo> So I want to see the edited code in action, and I was having a few issues getting it running 100%
[10:31] <diplo> Would the best bet be to symlink the files for now and do it that way ?
[10:31] <popey> no
[10:31] <popey> apt-get source pictor
[10:31] <popey> and that will have all the bits to make a deb
[10:31] <popey> apt-get build-dep pictor
[10:31] <popey> which will get the build dependancies
[10:31] <dutchie> if it's php, you can probably just run it locally
[10:32] <diplo> yeah it is dutchie, but it's got files all over the system
[10:32] <diplo> so you branch it out it is all in one dir
[10:32] <diplo> I'll try apt-get source
[10:32] <popey> apt-get source will just get you the version from the repo
[10:33] <popey> which is probably similar to trunk
[10:33] <diplo> yeah it is
[10:33] <dutchie> diplo: files all over the system? the bzr branch ought to have everything you need...
[10:33] <diplo> So as i say the prog wants to find things in /etc and /usr/share etc
[10:33] <diplo> And I'm not sure the best way of testing the code I change
[10:34] <diplo> yeah but to run it the files are being looked for in certain locations
[10:34] <BigRedS> Unit Tests!
[10:34] <diplo> I'll review the code again tonight and remind myself of the issues I had
[10:34] <dutchie> i don't know much about php to be honest, but i'm sure others here do
[10:34] <diplo> I can code php, it's just best practise really
[10:35] <diplo> And tbh, what I want to fix is getting rid of tables and hard coded colors etc and stick it all in divs /css
[10:35] <diplo> But wanted to give back to the project so thought i'd try doing it properly rather than just fixing my site
[10:35] <diplo> :)
[11:09] <oimon> diplo, fancy uploading a screenshot of pictor to USC?
[11:15] <diplo> Will do tonight yeah
[11:27] <oimon> if i've bought a humble bundle in the past thats included world of goo, do i need to buy the latest one to get it on android?
[11:31] <dutchie> i think s
[11:31] <dutchie> o
[11:32] <oimon> can't work out how the games get added to android
[11:35] <ali1234> diplo: that /etc nonsense is usually something that is added when software is debianized
[11:35] <oimon> ah, it's simply an apk
[11:36] <ali1234> for example, if you install phpmyadmin from the repos, it does the same thing
[11:36] <diplo> ali1234: I did wonder that
[11:36] <ali1234> you are supposed to just symlink it
[11:36] <diplo> Cool, that's what I was going to do but wanted to be sure that was the correct way
[11:40] <oimon> directhex, have you tried the humble bundle games on your touchpad?
[11:40] <directhex> oimon, no, haven't androided it yet
[13:11] <oimon> directhex, you're still running webos?
[13:12] <directhex> oimon, yeah. hardly use it tbh. keep thinking "will android this later" & not doing it
[13:12] <directhex> i guess i want a rom with a version number, not random nightlies
[13:12] <oimon> i actually forgot i had webos on the thing. android on it is great
[13:12] <oimon> yeah, as soon as i heard the wifi bug was fixed i chose the nightly that people agreed was a good one
[13:13] <oimon> i use it most days, but haven't booted webos since putting android on a long time ago
[13:13] <oimon> the remaining bug is the camera doesn't work
[13:20] <oimon> i find it interesting that all of the "relevant art" sections of the gnome design docs look only at win8 and apple, and no other sources
[13:21] <oimon> e.g. https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/Printers
[13:21] <ali1234> i find it interesting that you believe there is anything else worth looking at
[13:24] <dogmatic69> most annoying bug. cant paste into browser from other apps. Can paste in to the url bar though and copy / paste in the browser is fine too
[13:27] <oimon> ali1234, really? e.g. initial setup? that should look at other devices e.g android, plus kde etc https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/InitialSetup
[13:27] <ali1234> lol KDE
[13:27] <ali1234> no serious user designer should ever look at KDE, unless they want counter examples
[13:28] <ali1234> android perhaps, but everything good in android is copied from apple
[13:28] <BigRedS> so are most of the bad things, I'm lead to believe
[13:28] <oimon> methinks you are trolling me
[13:41] <shauno> apparently everyone's completely forgotten what android looked like pre-iphone
[13:41] <oimon> pre google?
[13:43] <BigRedS> nah, there was a bit of post-google in there
[13:43] <BigRedS> I don't recall ever seeing it apart from this image: http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/images/2011/07/android07.jpg and similar ones
[13:44] <oimon> http://blog.steventroughtonsmith.com/2012/05/2007s-pre-m3-version-of-android-google.html
[13:45] <shauno> yeah, that's the one I'm thinking of too.  dock & all
[13:45] <oimon> necessary for the blackberry style phone though
[13:45] <oimon> looks very blackberry-esque
[13:45] <shauno> right; RIM were ahead, so they were copying RIM
[13:46] <BigRedS> yeah, that largely supports the idea that the iPhone was released and then Android copied it
[13:46] <oimon> or the phone dictates the form and function
[13:47] <oimon> if you see the apple emails from the samsung trial, apple were copying samsung and sony
[13:47] <BigRedS> yeah, I don't doubt that it goes both ways
[13:49] <daubers> Hooray for poor delivery companies
[13:49] <daubers> Yodel fails to deliver a parcel, but marks it as delivered on their tracking system
[13:50] <oimon> yoda?
[13:50] <oimon> mmm parcel i have for you
[13:50] <BigRedS> delivered, the parcel is not
[13:52] <oimon> somebody has put an app in USC that is a 2d side scroller version of portal
[13:52] <oimon> a la ZX spectrum style
[13:53] <BigRedS> portal in 2d?
[13:53] <BigRedS> I remember hearing about that, actually
[13:53] <oimon> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/portal-slingshot/
[13:54] <oimon> says the licence is proprietary but it's free though
[13:57]  * popey clicks "Buy"
[13:57]  * popey enters his username and password into USC.. _again_
[13:57] <oimon> if there's anything worse than getting magazines and books in my USC results, it's getting fooreign language ones
[13:57]  * popey enters 2fa _again_
[13:57] <popey> davmor2, fix that
[13:58]  * popey enters his desktop password
[13:58] <popey> 4 dialogs to install an app
[13:58] <oimon> popey, quantal fail?
[13:59] <oimon> i need a snooze :(
[13:59] <davmor2> popey: already in the work, USC is setting up it's own unified login for all services, it is part way there now payment is the last bit to get added
[13:59] <davmor2> popey: 2fa I'm not sure about though
[14:00] <popey> i just don't like entering my user/pass over and over
[14:00] <oimon> anyone tried gnome 3.6 beta yet?
[14:00] <davmor2> popey: yeap known issue and in the works might not be in time for quantal but they might swing it
[16:09] <awilkins> Has Precise reached a "point" release yet ; ie - is it's version number 12.04.1 yet?
[16:11] <AlanBell> awilkins: it is due to do so today
[16:12] <awilkins> Is there a bug where upgraded boxes claim they are 12.04.1 early?
[16:13] <awilkins> Our Precise servers are upgrades from Lucid and they seem to think they are 12.04.1
[16:13] <awilkins> As does my current machine
[16:13] <awilkins> Which is an upgrade from Oneiric
[16:13] <awilkins> Or has the distribution been at 12.04.1 but there hasn't been a new installer cut yet?
[16:18] <popey> thats not a bug
[16:19] <popey> Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
[16:19] <popey> the "release" of 12.04.1 basically means us putting fresh ISOs on the site
[16:19] <awilkins> I was just suspicious of the version number arriving before the ISOs :-)
[16:19] <popey> people running 12.04 already are on 12.04.1 if they have all their updates
[16:20] <awilkins> Jolly good
[16:20] <AlanBell> popey: what about people on 10.04?
[16:20] <popey> they will get the offer to upgrade later
[16:20] <AlanBell> what is the trigger for that?
[16:20] <popey> should be today
[16:20] <popey> someone pressing a button
[16:21] <AlanBell> :)
[16:22] <popey> ask daviey, he's on release team :)
[16:23] <AlanBell> I will ask later, I am just curious really about what it looks for
[17:20] <Azelphur> lol that guy I bought the fucked up S3 from has relisted it stating it's "good condition" http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-Galaxy-S-3-/221111451831?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item337b4500b7#ht_500wt_1413
[17:20] <Azelphur> should I report him to ebay?
[17:22] <popey> yes
[17:22] <Azelphur> step down from "perfect condition" but certainly not perfect haha
[17:23] <Flashtek> how is it borked ?
[17:24] <Azelphur> Flashtek: he sold it to me stating it was new perfect condition, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x1btb0c9w9futq4/3mEOQEpIEW
[17:25] <popey> well, did you figure if it was stolen?
[17:25] <popey> maybe someone else will accept that condition
[17:25] <popey> so nothing really to report to ebay then
[17:25] <Azelphur> I checked everywhere I could and no it doesn't appear to be listed stolen
[17:25] <Azelphur> popey: he's listed it as "good condition", that's definitely inaccurate
[17:25] <popey> define "good"
[17:26] <popey> it works
[17:26] <popey> put a cover on it, you might not care
[17:27] <Azelphur> http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+good+condition
[17:27] <Azelphur> having holes clean through the outer casing is not physically and functionally sound and sturdy imo :P
[17:27] <popey> meh
[17:27] <Azelphur> I reported it anyway
[17:27] <popey> why do you care? did you get your money back?
[17:27] <Azelphur> he has 2 bad feedbacks for that phone alread
[17:28] <Azelphur> popey: meh, just don't want no one else to buy it and have the same hassle, I can see he's running a scam by continually forcing the phone on people and then making them pay the return postage (although that didn't work with me)
[17:43] <jacobw> evening
[17:48] <AlanBell> evening all
[17:49] <jacobw> top of evening to you sir
[18:28] <davmor2> okay quick questions why would I be getting mail marked spam from my home server, when the server under amavis is set to final_destination_spam = D_DISCARD ?  I'll have a read of the server guide to night and try and figure if I missed something
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: because your home IP is dynamic and in anti-spam lists?
[18:30] <jacobw> amavis configuration isn't straightforward
[18:30] <Flashtek> because the local server has a local ip address ??
[18:31] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: but it worked in lucid
[18:32]  * MartijnVdS has no idea
[18:32] <Flashtek> updated spamd rules ?
[18:34] <davmor2> Flashtek: doubtful why would that stop it being placed in the discard pile
[18:36] <Flashtek> i would check that the MTA is passing to avavis first.. just to be sure
[18:36] <Flashtek> i misunderstood...
[18:43] <jacobw> check if the mails have amavis headers
[18:46] <jacobw> they might not be processed, or processed and not given a high enough score by the bayesian filter to be discarded
[18:50] <chowda> I am trying to localize an app for the UK... odd question... what are the neighborhoods of London called? do you use the term neighborhood? district? something else?
[18:50] <em> hey ikonia are you here?
[18:50] <AlanBell> greater London
[18:50] <AlanBell> or the commuter belt
[18:50] <AlanBell> or the south east
[18:51] <chowda> What is Chelsea, for instance? a neighborhood?
[18:51] <davmor2> chowda: well they aren't called neighborhoods, that is the american spelling :)  districts iirc
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> "The district is part of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. From 1900, and until the creation of Greater London in 1965, it formed the Metropolitan Borough of Chelsea in the County of London."

[18:52] <AlanBell> London boroughs
[18:52] <chowda> Is that the common term? Borough?
[18:52] <chowda> So if our app has a list of all of these, it would be right to say "Select your Borough?"
[18:53] <davmor2> chowda: Fairly it discribe the local councils
[18:53] <AlanBell> probably, yes
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> chowda: or just "area"?
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> "Which of these is nearest to you?"
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> Done!
[18:53]  * AlanBell agrees
[18:54] <AlanBell> borough is a bit too precisely defined
[18:54] <chowda> In SF, NYC and other major cities "Neighborhood" is correct... so our drilldown is State -> City -> Neighborhood... I suppose we could default to Area if Neighborhood doesn't read well in GB
[18:54] <popey> pip pip!
[18:54] <davmor2> Which rival gang owns your ass
[18:55] <penguin42> chowda: What do you do outside cities ?
[18:55] <AlanBell> borough is a specificall London concept
[18:55] <davmor2> penguin42:  you still have boroughs they are just bigger
[18:55] <chowda> penguin42 not much currently... but for a small city or town we would list the town name again as the only neighborhood and it would be skipped in the UI
[18:57] <chowda> So I was hoping to find a term as widely accepted as neighborhood in the US, but not as general as "area"
[18:58] <bigcalm_laptop> Suburb?
[18:59] <chowda> thanks for the insight guys... sorry for the off topic weirdness
[18:59] <jacobw> that's very US IMO
[18:59] <chowda> really?
[18:59] <chowda> good to know...
[19:00] <penguin42> chowda: Hey it was at least 50% on topic
[19:00] <jacobw> metropolian area might also be good choice
[19:00] <chowda> penguin42: great point, I'll take it
[19:00] <jacobw> town or city district
[19:01] <chowda> looks like yelp uses "Area"... I guess they are a pretty solid place to emulate... as they use Neighborhood in the US
[19:01] <jacobw> London is really the only city large enough to have this construct and it's not well defined in the spoken language outside of London
[19:02] <penguin42> (not that London is a city of course)
[19:02] <chowda> jacobw: every source I'm finding seems to agree, I appreciate the help
[19:02] <chowda> wait... hah... I'm such an american... London isn't a city?
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> it's several cities :)
[19:03] <jacobw> technically not, but one could think of it as such
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> it's all convention :)
[19:03] <penguin42> chowda: I think generally what people refer to as London is the city of Westminster and the city of Kensington
[19:03] <AlanBell> well the city of London is in London
[19:03] <jacobw> the 'City of London' is a small financial district in Central London
[19:03] <chowda> and I thought supporting a new currency was going to be the tricky part of this project!
[19:03] <penguin42> chowda: Just accept that whatever you do it'll be technically wrong
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_borough#Map :)
[19:04] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrObZ_HZZUc  watch that :)
[19:04] <bigcalm_laptop> Choo choo!
[19:04] <penguin42> chowda: Start at a higher level; are you asking people to select UK, Great Britain or England :-)
[19:04] <chowda> UK
[19:04]  * bigcalm_laptop waves London a very good bye!
[19:05] <penguin42> chowda: Good start
[19:05] <chowda> right now we only have support for london... so it's UK -> London -> [Chelsea, South Kensington, etc]
[19:05] <jacobw> CGP Grey is awesome, he has other videos explaining the Commonwealth/UK/GB/England/Wales/Scotland distinctions
[19:06] <penguin42> chowda: I don't know why you would want to select something based off that, but perhaps just asking for the 1st ection of the post code is best
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: you like the Raspberry Pi.. what do you think of the WR703N? (5x5x2cm router from TP-link -- no HDMI but WIFI, MIPS instead of ARM, less RAM but a bit of built-in flash)
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: oh and it comes in a box ;) And it runs OpenWRT :)
[19:07] <directhex> czajkowski, i know you enjoy mocking me, but this recipe includes, say, "4 chicken breasts, skinned, poached and diced" as an ingredient. this is especially noffensive when the title of the book is "one pot wonders" - the point is it's recipes requiring a single cooking pot.
[19:07] <popey> haha
[19:07] <popey> not looked at it
[19:07] <directhex> yes, you only need one pot to make a meal, if the ingredients are "all the other shizzle you messed up ten pots for"
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: Someone at YAPC::Europe had one with him, strapped to a Li-Ion battery pack :)
[19:07] <chowda> penguin42: because we allow you to send things to people who you may not know their post code.. but you probably know which "neighborhood" they are in
[19:07] <czajkowski> directhex: *grin*
[19:07] <czajkowski> I don't enjoy mocking you at all
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: apparently, it uses 1W at its max
[19:08] <czajkowski> I only enjoy doing that to davmor2
[19:08] <jacobw> chowda: post codes are little confusing in the UK too
[19:08] <popey> chowda, why do you allow such madness?
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> chowda: again, just show a list of names, ask which is nearest :)
[19:08] <penguin42> chowda: Yeh, I wouldn't bet on them getting it exactly right - but they might get close
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> That works everywhere in the world
[19:09] <jacobw> chowda: N*, NW*, W*, SW*, S*, SE* and E* are all in London, but NE* is the area around Newcastle
[19:09] <chowda> popey: because we're masochists
[19:09] <popey> excellent
[19:09] <penguin42> chowda: Should work great for Londoners then :-)
[19:09] <chowda> MartijnVdS: the number of names would get overwhelming... we need a way to drill down in a logical manner to keep the lists reasonable
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> chowda: clicking a map :)
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: NE was demolished for the Olympic park, right?
[19:10] <jacobw> Ha!
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: so it could be re-used for newcastle
[19:10] <chowda> MartijnVdS: now you're just being crazy :)
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> (who only got the postal system last month)
[19:10] <jacobw> Hull is the only place in the UK which doesn't have British Telecom
[19:10] <jacobw> Speaking the North East
[19:10] <directhex> "smoked chicken with mixed salad and puy lentils"
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: What does it have? France Telecom?
[19:11] <directhex> ingredients: "4 breasts of smoked chicken, finely chopped"
[19:11] <directhex> MartijnVdS, a local cable monopoly
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> directhex: .. yay
[19:11] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: in the mists of time, a local law mandated that the town provide it's own postal system, and subsequently telephone network
[19:12] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: it was called Kingston, after 'Kingston upon Hull' as the Hull is offically named
[19:13] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: now it's called K-Com is owned by Britsh Telecom
[19:13] <popey> oh, didnt realise BT bought it
[19:15] <jacobw> Hmm, Wikipedia says it's not owned by BT but all of it's network assets are outsourced to BT
[19:15] <jacobw> Which sounds similar :P
[19:19] <czajkowski> directhex: I often buy pre chopped chicken breast saves time!
[19:28] <bigcalm_laptop> !ping
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> !ping boo
[19:29] <bigcalm_laptop> Pingu?
[19:29] <popey> hmm, hungry
[19:29] <bigcalm_laptop> BBQ'd Pingu?
[19:29]  * popey needs something which isn't naughty
[19:29]  * popey forages
[19:29]  * penguin42 looks worried
[19:29] <bigcalm_laptop> I had Pizza Express all on my lonesome on Euston Road
[19:30] <bigcalm_laptop> penguin42: heh
[19:31] <czajkowski> popey: scrambled eggs on tost
[19:31] <czajkowski> tea and toast
[19:31] <czajkowski> marmite on toast
[19:31] <bigcalm_laptop> Kitten on toast
[19:31] <czajkowski> or a banana sandwich
[19:33]  * AlanBell had scrambled eggs on toast
[19:33] <bigcalm_laptop> czajkowski: What if popey is secretly Banana Man? Do we need him flying around at this time of night?
[19:33] <AlanBell> one slice of toast, 3eggs
[19:34] <bigcalm_laptop> Ooo
[19:34] <czajkowski> oh fried egg on toast with DOLLOPS of lee and perins!
[19:34] <bigcalm_laptop> You'll be egg bound!
[19:34]  * christel eats czajkowski
[19:35] <christel> (you're the little brown mouse to my gruffalo)
[19:36] <czajkowski> herrrroooo
[19:36] <AlanBell> bigcalm_laptop: well my egg consumption is limited by the laying capacity so not too worried about that :)
[19:36]  * popey found burgers
[19:37] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: I hope your chicks stay productive :)
[19:37] <christel> i just splurted coffee all over myself
 or a banana sandwich
[19:37] <popey> wretch
[19:38] <christel> banana burger?!
[19:38] <czajkowski> popey: :o soo tasty
[19:38] <popey> seriously, who eats bananas in bread?
[19:38] <AlanBell> me
[19:38] <AlanBell> nom
[19:38] <popey> golly
[19:38] <popey> oddballs all around me
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: banana bread! \o/
[19:38] <christel> hrmm.. i sometimes make bananabread and sometimes i have sliced banana on bread :s
[19:38] <popey> banana bread, and banana beer, yes
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> banana bread + cashews++
[19:39] <christel> when i was pregnant i had banana on toast with salt
[19:39] <christel> it was nice
[19:39] <popey> banana smooshed up in a sarnie.. ew
[19:39] <christel> i am not sure it would be nice now
[19:39] <czajkowski> oh yes I like mine smashed
[19:39] <czajkowski> my mum likes hers sliced
[19:39] <christel> mind, i also went through a period of liking bread with nutella and mayonnaise... and i cant blame pregnancy for that one
[19:40] <bigcalm_laptop> Hehe
[19:40] <christel> (it was yester..ok it wasnt)
[19:40] <bigcalm_laptop> Ha
[19:41] <popey> clare ate tonnes of chipsticks when she was pregnant
[19:43] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1906/detail/ happy hour \o/
[19:43] <AlanBell> and what should we do for christmas?
[19:44]  * AlanBell looks with interest at http://christmas.hospitalityline.co.uk/christmas-shared-parties
[19:44] <popey> volunteer charity work
[19:44] <popey> helping out in a soup kitchen, feeding homeless, dunno
[19:44] <czajkowski> popey: thats a really excellent idea!
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> "Would you like a coaster with that soup?"
[19:44] <popey> something beneficial for other people rather than ourselves, perhaps
[19:44] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: party on the water?
[19:44] <AlanBell> ok, I like that idea
[19:45] <bigcalm_laptop> No soup for you!
[19:45] <popey> those are just suggestions, any kind of volunteer work
[19:45] <popey> clearing a canal, painting a wall, dunno
[19:46] <czajkowski> It's a nie idea I thnk
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: clearing a canal in the middle of winter.. with ice..
[19:46] <popey> just brainstorming :)
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> ok :)
[19:46] <popey> maybe one of those charities that packs up boxes to go somewhere ...
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> They do a trash pick-up day here every once in a while
[19:47] <popey> oh, thats nice, a clear up day
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> they walk around the lake with bags and pick up everything from outside the paths/bins (which are cleaned by the council)
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> with tweezers-on-a-stick
[19:51] <AlanBell> Paula will probably be the person to talk to about this
[19:53] <AlanBell> might try and pop round to fossbox to figure out some options next week after a paralympic shift
[19:54] <mattt> :-/
[20:03] <popey> nice one AlanBell
[20:03] <popey> she did ask if someone could help a local company with some ubuntu consultancy
[20:03] <AlanBell> just has to be something where I can wear a santa suit
[20:03] <AlanBell> she did, I couldn't
[20:04] <christel> santa suit \o/
[20:04] <christel> santabell \o/
[20:17] <bigcalm_laptop> Getting travel sick - toodles :S
[20:26] <christel> haha
[22:32] <smarqle> I have a question about Lastfm in Rhythmbox if anyone's around?
[22:44] <penguin42> http://news.backyardbrains.com/2012/08/insane-in-the-chromatophores/  I can see people asking for visualiser plugins for music players for htis (what happens when you connect an ipod to a squid)
[22:50] <smarqle> I'm using Rhythmbox with Lastfm and have a query. When I play artist stations they get saved in  the column on the left, but there seems no obvious way of removing them. I was hoping right clicking would do it. That's how it works with the Lastfm scrobbler client (on windows and Debian when I tried it on those)


[13:42] <cmaloney> morning, good people of earth
[13:54] <jrwren> party party
[15:27] <jrwren> hey cmaloney, why have I never heard of Suzanne Ciani?
[15:49] <cmaloney> She flies really under the radar, but yeah
[15:49] <cmaloney> When I discovered her it was like "you're the coolest, ever"
[15:50] <cmaloney> though the Buchla really is a harsh instrument
[15:50] <cmaloney> I have a hard time taking it seriously
[15:50] <cmaloney> Every time I hear it I think "why am I doing this to myself?"
[15:50] <cmaloney> but then again, it sometimes takes me a while to appreciate some things
[17:31] <jrwren> not sure how I ran across her today. YT algorithm after I watch orkestra obsolete blue monday, I think.
[17:48] <cmaloney> Heh


[03:39] <rottingdead> Hallo hello.
[04:31] <IdleOne> heya Jordan_U. Only us smart people in here :)
[04:32] <subcool> i am having issues with my network manager, i was told to upgrade to plasma nm- but i dont know what that is.. lil assistance please..
[04:32] <IdleOne> plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[04:33] <IdleOne> Please also remember that attitude and polite language are greatly appreciated.
[05:14] <subcool> i have installed that, and do not see my network manager icon on my task bar
[05:15] <almoxarife> that?
[05:16] <subcool> plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[05:17] <almoxarife> subcool: logged out since installing the widget?
[05:22] <subcool> almoxarife, rebooted
[05:22] <subcool> but ill do it again -
[05:22] <subcool> i havent uninstall the old network manager though- in fear i was given bad advice and suffer no internet to fix it
[05:22] <almoxarife> subcool: no need, should have worked the first time
[05:23] <almoxarife> subcool: insure 'networkmanager' is installed, do uninstall the other
[05:24] <subcool> wait what? i have network manager - and plasma widget network manager.. - do i have to uninstall network manager?
[05:24] <almoxarife> subcool: no
[05:24] <almoxarife> subcool: you brought up 'old' network manager
[05:31] <subcool> ok- well, ill reboot again- but im pretty lost.
[05:32] <subcool> and why isnt my KDE updating... suppsedly im running 4.4. - but.. i update regularly..
[05:34] <almoxarife> subcool: what distro?
[05:34] <Obsidian1723> subcool: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:35] <subcool> almoxarife, ubuntu kde -
[05:35] <subcool> Obsidian1723, thats what i do regularly
[05:35] <almoxarife> subcool: what Obsidian1723 said
[05:35] <Obsidian1723> should be at the latest then
[05:35] <subcool> ??
[05:35] <subcool> i didnt even know until it was mentioned in a bug report..
[05:36] <Obsidian1723> I run Kubuntu 12.04.1LTS 64-bit and I'm at KDE <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:37] <Obsidian1723> thats the latest stable.
[05:37] <Obsidian1723> Open up Dolphin, go to Help, then About KDE
[05:37] <subcool> i dled 12.04 and am running it on another laptop- but i dont like it. Its buggy a bit, and it USB boot up is blind..
[05:37] <Obsidian1723> You'll see the version there fpor it
[05:38] <subcool> 4.4.5
[05:38] <Obsidian1723> You running Kubuntu 12.04.1LTS?
[05:38] <Obsidian1723> lsb_release -a  what does that show you?
[05:39] <subcool> on this laptop im running 11.04
[05:39] <Obsidian1723> ah thats why.
[05:39] <Obsidian1723> Non-LTS
[05:39] <subcool> because?
[05:39] <subcool> everytime i upgrade - i get more bugs.
[05:39] <Obsidian1723> LTS is ultimately sourced from debian-testing where as the Non-LTS from debian-unstable
[05:39] <subcool> i upgraded on my 3rd laptop,  - and something happen.. now its hoesd
[05:39] <Obsidian1723> yeah, you are running unstable versions of Ubuntu
[05:40] <subcool> oh- im running 10.04
[05:40] <subcool> well, 10.04.4 lts
[05:40] <Obsidian1723> Debian goes like this... debian-unstable --> debian-testing --> debian-stable in that order, those are the 3 repos. Since Ubuntu is a fork of Debian, it has that code lineage.
[05:41] <Obsidian1723> Well, 10,04LTS is pretty much EOL in a few months.
[05:41] <subcool> i got 12.04.4 lts- but its buggy
[05:41] <Obsidian1723> its not as updated/maintained like 12/.04 is.
[05:41] <subcool> i thougth this laptop was on 1104
[05:41] <Obsidian1723> 12.04 32 or 64 bit?
[05:41] <subcool> which explains a lil..
[05:41] <subcool>  both
[05:41] <Obsidian1723> could be your hardware.. that happens.
[05:42] <subcool> eh- on my one laptop i can see that..
[05:42] <Obsidian1723> but did you try 12.04 or 12.04.1?
[05:42] <subcool> but- not the other two..
[05:42] <Obsidian1723> .1 just came out.
[05:42] <subcool> idk.. i've been deleting them..
[05:42] <subcool> i use usbflash- and it boot of fed
[05:42] <subcool> f'ed
[05:42] <Obsidian1723> try 12.04.1
[05:42] <subcool> i get a lil gray box,
[05:42] <Obsidian1723> anyway, late and I gotta go to bed.
[05:42] <Obsidian1723> good luck with it.
[05:42] <subcool> no menu- and i have to just keep pressing enter till it boots
[05:43] <subcool> k- thanks
[05:43] <subcool> ill see what i can do
[05:43] <Obsidian1723> that sounds like x
[05:43] <Obsidian1723> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[05:43] <Obsidian1723> try that
[05:43] <Obsidian1723> or
[05:43] <Obsidian1723> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde4
[05:43] <Obsidian1723> or both, but x first.
[05:43] <subcool> thats for my 12.04 flash i just got tried using
[05:43] <Obsidian1723> night.
[05:44] <subcool> k- thanks.
[06:08] <RadSurfer> How do I changed the "PC Name / Network name" in Ku 14.x ?
[06:09] <RadSurfer> How do I change the "PC Name / Network name" in Ku 14.x ?
[06:11] <jussi> RadSurfer: first, there is no Kubuntu 14.x
[06:11] <jussi> current version is 12.04
[06:11] <hateball> I'm not sure there's a GUI way to change /etc/hostname
[06:11] <RadSurfer> this latest version... sorry about that :)
[06:12] <RadSurfer> some1 may have been talking about Fedora 14, or something ;-)
[06:12] <RadSurfer> I need to change PC_Name properly...
[06:13] <jussi> RadSurfer: and you are certain you are on kubuntu
[06:13] <RadSurfer> uname?
[06:13] <RadSurfer> 3.2.0-29-generic-pae #46.... etc etc
[06:14] <jussi> ok
[06:14] <RadSurfer> haha
[06:15] <jussi> RadSurfer: I dont care really, you can sort it yourself, but you seemcertain (although uname isnt really helpful)
[06:15] <jussi> you could run "lsb_release -a" to double check though
[06:16] <RadSurfer> why does 'gksu dolphin' fail?
[06:16] <jussi> RadSurfer: so, if you are comfortable with the commandline, here is an answer for you :http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1899415
[06:16] <jussi> RadSurfer: because gksu is for gtk apps
[06:17] <jussi> use kdesudo
[06:17] <RadSurfer> now you tell me.
[06:17] <RadSurfer> does that work in previous 10.04 LTS?
[06:17] <jussi> should as far  as I know
[06:18] <RadSurfer> Okie
[06:22] <RadSurfer> Ok... heres a toughie, lol, how do I make this new Computer_Name take effect?
[06:22] <RadSurfer> necessary to reboot?
[06:23] <Guest81003> Hi
[06:24] <RadSurfer> restarting... hope this works :-)
[06:24] <mr-rich> kununtu 12.04. Amarok 2.5.0. full rescan does not display my  networked iTunes collection. Worked in 2.4.x ... any ideas?
[06:25] <RadSurfer> 12.04 sure boots up weird... video display wise...
[06:25] <Guest81003> I have a plasma netbook crash problem after hibernation. Can somebody help me?
[06:25] <hanslanda> hello there! I want to change from KDE to GNOME on Kubuntu...anyone can help me?
[06:26] <mr-rich> hanslanda: switch to regular Ununtu ...
[06:26] <mr-rich> er ...
[06:27] <mr-rich> Ubuntu ...
[06:27] <jussi> hanslanda: install the package ubuntu-desktop
[06:28] <RadSurfer> excellent! That was EASY! (changing PC_Name) Thanks!
[06:28] <jussi> RadSurfer: :)
[06:28] <RadSurfer> see now that making a folder SHARED automatically installs/configures Samba, apparently!
[06:28] <RadSurfer> now that PC_name won't conflict, I can test tit
[06:29] <RadSurfer> I used to just manually install packages, then it would work automatically.
[06:31] <Guest81003> Can someone guide me to proper help for KDE plasma crash on netbook during hibernation process?
[06:31] <RadSurfer> I hate this wallet crap
[06:34] <RadSurfer> this isn't making sense to me: What does it expect for "authorization code" to access a folder on that machine?
[06:34] <RadSurfer> I have guest access enabled
[06:34] <RadSurfer> full-access to folder in question
[06:34] <RadSurfer> whats wrong?
[06:34] <hanslanda> jussi, mr-rich , ok..i will try ubuntu...for the gnome...but i want to know how can i update Xorg? Some people said to me that its dangerous to update Xorg
[06:35] <RadSurfer> this used to work fine for me in 10.04
[06:35] <mr-rich> hanslanda: why do you need to update Xorg?
[06:36] <ram_> Hi there
[06:36] <ram_> Can someone guide me to proper help for KDE plasma crash on netbook during hibernation process?
[06:37] <hanslanda> mr-rich, because the default xorg version has a bug...in some 3D games my mouse scroll button doesnt work...and i read in forums that i have to update xorg server
[06:38] <RadSurfer> does anyone understand what this "Authorization Dialog" is expecting?
[06:40] <mr-rich> hanslanda: Then you need to wait until (k)ubuntu updates Xorg. Yes, replacing Xorg from outside sources is VERY DANGEROUS ...
[06:40] <RadSurfer> I have no idea what this sharing operation expects from "Authorization Dialog" on remote Pc... anyone?
[06:41] <mr-rich> hanslanda: unless you really really know what your are doing.
[06:42] <hanslanda> wait until kubuntu updates Xorg? So i need to wait for the next and next distro update?
[06:42] <hanslanda> mr-rich, wait until kubuntu updates Xorg? So i need to wait for the next and next distro update?
[06:43] <mr-rich> hanslanda: Not necessaraly(sp?) ... If there are known bugs in Xorg, then (k)ubuntu will eventually update them ...
[06:44] <Wizard> Good morning.
[06:45] <RadSurfer> Don't suppose anyone understands whats expected with file sharing under 12.04 please?
[06:47] <hanslanda> mr-rich, thanks for the help.. i will try ubuntu anyway.. see ya man!
[06:48] <RadSurfer> Grrr....
[06:48] <RadSurfer> it can excess 10.04 just fine, but I can't access 12.04 at all???
[06:48] <almoxarife> RadSurfer: explain
[06:49] <RadSurfer> I installed 12.04. I used dolphin to attempt to enable file-sharing. It installed Samba, and claimed to configure it
[06:49] <RadSurfer> I'm trying to now access that Folder on another PC <via lan>
[06:49] <RadSurfer> authorization box appears, but won't accept anything!
[06:49] <RadSurfer> What am I overlooking?
[06:50] <almoxarife> RadSurfer: authorizing sharing on 12.04?
[06:50] <RadSurfer> evidently
[06:50] <RadSurfer> Remote PC displays Authorization box....
[06:50] <RadSurfer> but nothing I type in works to make a connection
[06:51] <RadSurfer> I do see that Folder!  I just can not TRANSFER to it
[06:51] <RadSurfer> so I see my Shared folders; I can't read/write
[06:56] <RadSurfer> something is incomplete in what Dolphin does to install/configure samba?
[06:56] <almoxarife> RadSurfer: in 12.4 set a folder to share
[06:56] <RadSurfer> I tried to do that via Dolphin! and it went out downloaded samba, installed it, apparently, and "configured it"
[06:56] <RadSurfer> What else?
[06:56] <RadSurfer> theres obviously more involved
[06:56] <RadSurfer> presently, problem is this: It is not allowing me Read/Write access from remote pc
[07:01] <RadSurfer> can someone answer me this perhaps:
[07:01] <RadSurfer> are da same packages used as what 10.04 installs?
[07:02] <RadSurfer> I could just manually install those & see what happens
[07:02] <RadSurfer> crap! says all that stuff IS installed! WAH!
[07:13] <hateball> RadSurfer: Are you trying to share files between two Linux machines?
[07:13] <RadSurfer> Yes.
[07:13] <RadSurfer> 12.04 with 10.04
[07:13] <hateball> RadSurfer: May I ask why you're using SAMBA to do this?
[07:14] <RadSurfer> naturally.
[07:14] <hateball> Rather than NFS or SSH, which are much easier to work with
[07:14] <RadSurfer> normally, Samba works just fine! It has in 10.04
[07:15] <RadSurfer> Change PC_Name via etc/hostname, wouldn't be problem, eh?
[07:16] <RadSurfer> it should be something simple! surprised no1 knows
[07:16] <hateball> You may have to change it in /etc/hosts as well. Then I don't recall if the smb-configs point to any specific hostname
[07:17] <RadSurfer> I did change both. then rebooted
[07:17] <hateball> I'm pretty sure most people just use SSH. But someone who knows samba may come around later
[07:17] <RadSurfer> 10.04 interface made more sense
[07:18] <RadSurfer> where are all of the shares listed?
[07:19] <RadSurfer> its like its a security issue of some kind... makes no sense tho
[07:20] <RadSurfer> something on 12.04 side won't create this access from remote PC for some reason!
[07:22] <RadSurfer> /etc/samba has a lot less files in it...
[07:22] <RadSurfer> sambausers isn't being created
[07:22] <RadSurfer> whats up with that?
[07:23] <kdenow> How do I install the very latest stable KDE release on Ubuntu?
[07:23] <kdenow> That is, 4.9.
[07:24] <Wizard> I think there is a ppa with it.
[07:24] <kdenow> http://www.fandigital.com/2012/08/install-latest-kde-in-ubuntu-kubuntu.html
[07:24] <Wizard> But beware of ppas.
[07:24] <kdenow> I followed the instructions here.
[07:24] <kdenow> But I don't get anything newer than 4.8.90.
[07:30] <Wizard> pkg -l | grep kdelibs
[07:30] <Wizard> Ah, he quit.
[07:31] <RadSurfer> I can't believe with 265 total users in here, no1 has a clue whats going on here!
[07:34] <RadSurfer> I made changes to terminal, and those settings didn't stay either. Hmm.
[07:35] <RadSurfer> whoops. lol
[07:35] <Wizard> RadSurfer: Most people idle.
[07:35] <Wizard> RadSurfer: I bet more than half don't use Kubuntu.
[07:35] <Wizard> What's your problem, btw, RadSurfer?
[07:36] <RadSurfer> couldn't you scroll up and read please?
[07:37] <RadSurfer> Trying to get Samba/file sharing to work. I can see remote shares, but can't access it
[07:38] <RadSurfer> I can see staying with 10.04 LTS makes more sense for now.
[07:38] <RadSurfer> I don't recall having to do anything special; things just work.
[07:39] <RadSurfer> "access denied to smb://xxxxx.local/"
[07:39] <Wizard> Oh my..
[07:40] <RadSurfer> yes? something silly is it?
[07:40] <Wizard> No, I've never got this crap working :(
[07:40] <RadSurfer> works perfectly in 10.04 LTS
[07:40] <Wizard> Hmm.
[07:41] <Wizard> Are there any informations in system log or dmesg?
[07:41] <RadSurfer> for some reason 12.x isn't creating a smbusers file
[07:41] <Wizard> Hmm
[07:41] <Wizard> Sorry, but I'm to lame in smb to help you :/
[09:00] <RadSurfer> too many things not working properly in 12.x...  compared to 10.x
[09:01] <RadSurfer> can I still download 11.x?
[09:02] <Riddell> RadSurfer: yep http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[09:02] <Riddell> RadSurfer: what's not working?
[09:02] <RadSurfer> can't figure out how to access my Folder-shares in 12.x
[09:02] <RadSurfer> I see remote shares, I have no write-permission
[09:03] <RadSurfer> remote PC trying to access 12.0 installation
[09:03] <RadSurfer> tried installing system-config-samba, and that didn't work
[09:04] <RadSurfer> used to use that way back in ancient Centos days, lol
[09:04] <RadSurfer> its not worth my time any longer, other issues are also rather disappointing...
[09:05] <hateball> I just cant understand why promptly wanted to use SMB instead of NFS or SSH when he was sharing between Linux only...
[09:06] <hateball> But that's just how it goes for some people I guess
[09:15] <Wizard> hateball: People never learn.
[09:42] <Guest42334> wassup?
[10:44] <osinclair> on 12.40 w KDE 4.9 I am getting akonadi nepomuk feeder crash on shutdown - other seeing this?
[10:44] <65MAA696K> Nope
[10:46] <osinclair> thanks - seems I have to figure out what went wrong w my config
[10:51] <vercingetorige> hi guys, i'm in trouble trying to migrate from evolution to kmail. When I import messagges, kmail create a new directory for each message
[10:51] <vercingetorige> is there a way to tell kmail import all messages in the selected directory without creating others?
[11:00] <vercingetorige> no one knows?
[11:01] <Wizard> vercingetorige: ?
[11:02] <Wizard> Ah, I don't know :)
[11:02] <vercingetorige> :(
[11:06] <Wizard> But wait, you mean importing only one IMAP directory?
[11:07] <vercingetorige> i'm trying to import only sent messages
[11:08] <vercingetorige> selecting .local/share/.Sent
[11:08] <Wizard> Uh, then I don't know how to do this.
[11:09] <DF_Meyer_> Which version of kmail are you using? 4.9 has import capabilities.
[11:09] <vercingetorige> i'm using kubuntu 12.04
[11:10] <Wizard> Than it's 4.8.something.
[11:10] <vercingetorige> yes, 4.8.2
[11:12] <DF_Meyer_> If you install the backports ppa then you can get 4.9 which is more stable, faster and has an import filter. The catch is that you might get instability elsewhere. It will update your entire kde ecosystem to 4.9
[11:13] <vercingetorige> it is my pc at work, can't do that
[11:16] <DF_Meyer_> Ah yeah, then you can't. I'll keep chatting on the kde channel with you.
[11:23] <Guest22390> hello
[11:23] <Wizard> Hi Guest22390.
[11:24] <Guest22390> i tried to install kubuntu 12.04.1 to hd from unetbootin in windows
[11:24] <Guest22390> i did this many times and it worked
[11:24] <Guest22390> this time, i installed sucesfully, and when i get at grub menu it only shows my windows install and memory test
[11:24] <Guest22390> i cant boot kubuntu
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:32] <Obsidian1723> hi BluesKaj
[11:33] <BluesKaj> hi Obsidian1723
[11:33] <Obsidian1723> how ya doing this morning?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Obsidian1723:  fine thanks , and you ?
[11:39] <Obsidian1723> doing good actually...
[11:40] <Obsidian1723> just working on my iptables script and updating my server.
[11:58] <Wizard> Morning?
[11:58] <Wizard> It's 2pm ;P
[12:33] <excognac> hi all. I recently had a total crash of plasma-desktop, so i replaced /hume/user/.kde with default. The desktop environment keeps deing buggy, slow and crasy with default settings. Any advoce on how to set it up properly?
[12:33] <excognac> *being *home
[12:39] <Wizard> excognac: Works stable on all my PCs..
[12:39] <Wizard> excognac: Do you have any specific hardware or something like this?
[12:40] <excognac> not really
[12:41] <excognac> it's a laptop, proc i3 2310M,4gb Ram, intel HD graphics 3000
[12:42] <excognac> see above
[12:47] <dsan> Hey, anyone got a recommendation for me to build a simple GUI simillar to VB?
[12:50] <jussi> dsan: For kubuntu?
[12:51] <jussi> dsan: do it in QML, and you can use Kdevelop as your IDE.
[12:52] <dsan> jussi: yes for Kubuntu. Just wana have a simple drag and drop solution for command buttons etc.
[12:53] <jussi> dsan: yeah, sounds like a QML thing
[12:53] <Riddell> jussi: mm really?  it has no widgets
[12:53] <Riddell> try qtcreator which has good qtdesigner integration
[12:53] <jussi> Riddell: ok, maybe Im talking through my butt then, please advise better
[12:53]  * jussi blushes
[12:54] <dsan> jussy: Do I have to integrate something like wxWidgets or Qt?
[12:55] <Riddell> dsan: qt is the widget set used in kde/kubuntu
[12:55] <jussi> dsan: talk to Riddell :D
[12:55] <dsan> just wana do a simple calculater thing. in VB it would take me about an hour. so thats what I'm lokking for
[12:56] <dsan> no big configuration and stuff
[12:57] <Riddell> dsan: got a preferred language?
[12:58] <dsan> c++
[12:59] <Riddell> dsan: try qtcreator then
[13:00] <dsan> thank you guys
[13:21] <dsan> Riddell: any idea why i can't click on 'Design'?
[13:27] <Wizard> dsan: It's disabled?
[15:05] <G__81> i am trying to install kubuntu-desktop and it gets installed fine and then the problems start coming in with Alt+Tab behavior
[15:05] <G__81> i am using 12.04
[15:05] <G__81> i dont know whether its a known issue
[15:06] <G__81> the issue is when i do alt+tab the windows in the taskbar get minimized on top of one another
[15:06] <G__81> i cannot even read whats written on the taskbar so when i press Alt+tab i can see all windows but when i want to go to a window straight i cannot. Its like running gnome-3
[15:06] <G__81> huh....
[15:09] <Peace-> G__81: ?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> G__81, alt-tab isn't familiar to me , but all it does here is shrink the desktop , hide the panel and darken everything
[15:11] <Peace-> ...
[15:12] <szal> BluesKaj: Alt+Tab is supposed to switch windows
[15:14] <markit> hi, 12.04... previous releases with libdvdread4 installed libdvdcss2, now seems no more the case
[15:14] <Peace-> i was not wrong the guy had the problem when he has a lots of window opened
[15:15] <markit> is /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh still valid?
[15:15] <markit> ciao Peace- :)
[15:15] <Peace-> markit: hi
[15:15] <Peace-> markit: btw i asked to a developer your prolbem
[15:15] <Peace-> markit: your problem with ffmpeg is due to your cpu
[15:15] <BluesKaj> szal, ok , alt tab seems to work here , altho i prefer the virtual desktops
[15:16] <Peace-> markit: ffmpeg it's too heavy , you should try the same lines but without full screen
[15:16] <Peace-> markit: try with 640 or maybe better 320x240 you will see that libvpx and libvorbis will work
[15:17] <markit> Peace-: I have a tons of problems, can we chat privately and you remind me which one specific?
[15:17] <Peace-> markit: sure
[15:20] <markit> I've solved with dvd issue, my fault, is the script that installs that package
[16:04] <jose___> HI everybody
[16:05] <jose___> any girl here?
[16:05] <tsimpson> this is a technical support channel for Kubuntu
[17:47] <Wizard> LOL
[17:47] <Wizard> Good evening.
[17:49] <BluesKaj> good afternoon
[17:49] <Wizard> Seems I can't change "window switcher"
[17:50] <Wizard> Whatever I set in systemsettings - window miniatures with app icons in corner is being activated on alt+tab
[17:51] <Wizard> (12.04, without any KDE ppas)
[17:55] <xyz_> <<<<****^& H1, duz 4ny0n3 w4nt t0 cyb3rd4t3? &^****>>>>
[17:57] <BluesKaj> xyz_, no texting in here please , this isn't an IM chat ...use rela words
[17:57] <BluesKaj> real words :)
[17:57] <xyz_> <<<<****^& 0h 0k4y btw fu&^****>>>>
[17:58] <BluesKaj> Wizard, are you using the KB shortcuts
[17:59] <BluesKaj> !langauge | xyz_
[18:00] <xyz_> Sorry
[18:00] <xyz_> Very sorry
[18:00] <xyz_> lol
[18:00] <xyz_> Can I ask a question?
[18:00] <Wizard> Shoot..
[18:00] <Wizard> !ask
[18:01] <xyz_> !patience
[18:01] <Wizard> BluesKaj: Yes..
[18:01] <Wizard> xyz_: Just ask that question already :/
[18:01] <xyz_> I find KDE complicated, like there's too much too it. Does it take a while to learn/get usedto?
[18:01] <BluesKaj> !KDE
[18:02] <xyz_> I mean, it's really cool, just I've had no luck to it
[18:02] <Wizard> Do you have any particular problems or these are just complaints? :P
[18:02] <BluesKaj> kde is very configurable , just need some patience
[18:03] <xyz_> No problems, just, it's like it's too configurable
[18:03] <Wizard> KDE doesn't require much learning curve. It is a powerful set of tools and you know.. You need some time to used to it.
[18:03] <xyz_> And gets confusing
[18:04] <Wizard> xyz_: Too configurable? Nobody forces you to touch anything :P
[18:04] <xyz_> Wizard: Do you reckon I'll have no problems on a dual core 1GHz CPU/
[18:04] <Wizard> And if it comes about the second - I agree.
[18:04] <Wizard> I have no problems on 1 core 1,5GHz G4.
[18:05] <BluesKaj> xyz_, confusing , how ?
[18:05] <Wizard> KDE takes while to load.. (this is a major issue, in my opinion).
[18:05] <Wizard> BluesKaj: KDE is very inconsistent if it comes to UI design.
[18:05] <xyz_> I will try it again then, it's just so much gadgets, graphic effects, etc
[18:05] <Wizard> System Settings application is a design-nightmare.
[18:06] <xyz_> I know this seems stupid, but Kubuntu is pretty good to start with using KDE?
[18:06] <Wizard> Sure.
[18:06] <xyz_> I'll download the .iso, and have an another attempt at it then :)
[18:07] <Wizard> It serves pretty default KDE desktop and doesn't follow bleeding edge software.
[18:07] <Wizard> (I recon the second as a big plus)
[18:07] <Wizard> (Does that word exist in english - "recon"?) :P
[18:07] <xyz_> Yes
[18:07] <Wizard> Kewl.
[18:08] <xyz_> But I don't know if it's spelt like that
[18:08] <xyz_> "reckon"
[18:08]  * Wizard won't use it anymore :P
[18:08] <BluesKaj> Wizard, yeah agreed , system settings seems tobe desighned by a commitee
[18:08] <xyz_> 3 hours remaining :P
[18:08] <xyz_> 60KB/s
[18:09] <xyz_> My internet is so slow. :O
[18:09] <Wizard> BluesKaj: And I bet that's the reason xyz_ (and others) find KDE too configurable.
[18:10] <Wizard> KDE1,2,3 tree-structured kcontrol was waaay better.
[18:12] <Wizard> BluesKaj: The best thing in system settings is that it changes icon order depending on language.
[18:13] <Wizard> And not only icon order - category order too :)
[18:13] <Wizard> Besides, if it comes to languages, BluesKaj, where can I "request" a feature?
[18:14] <BluesKaj> Wizard, for example ?
[18:15] <Wizard> I'd like automatic language setup after installation.
[18:15] <Wizard> Just like Ubuntu does.
[18:16] <Wizard> I think Kubunt had such thing around Jaunty and Karmic.
[18:17] <BluesKaj> it does the auto langauge setup during the install on kubuntu afaik, but I just use english , ..it's also determined by locale , which you can find in system settings as an option
[18:17] <Wizard> BluesKaj: This isn't absolutely true.
[18:18] <Wizard> Locales aren't present on LiveCD, so when you chose another language, only installer "speaks" it.
[18:18] <BluesKaj> here aren't many absolutes when there are plenty of options
[18:18] <Wizard> And when you do offline installation, no locales are being installed.
[18:19] <Wizard> So, you end up with system with proper LANG and LC_ALL settings, but without translations installed.
[18:20] <Wizard> And trust me, finding the way to install languages isn't intuitive at all, no matter if you understand english or not.
[18:20] <Wizard> If you don't - you're screwed. Literally.
[18:22] <Wizard> You're english native, so maybe for you these kind of issues aren't very big deal, but this is a big problem in my opinion which should be addressed somehow.
[18:23] <BluesKaj> Wizard, can't you find OS images in other langauges
[18:25] <Wizard> Are they available?
[18:26] <Wizard> BluesKaj: OK, just as I thought, this isn't big issue for you :P
[18:29] <Wizard> BluesKaj: So, trying to explain you the scale of this problem, look at this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
[18:29] <Wizard> :P
[18:42] <BluesKaj> Wizard, dunno what this says , but it looks  to me like kubuntu forn german speakers
[18:42] <BluesKaj> http://www.kubuntu-de.org/
[18:45] <Wizard> They link to cdimage.ubuntu.com ;P
[18:46] <Wizard> Seems they haven't remastered iso image in any way.
[18:47] <BluesKaj> too bad
[18:51] <Wizard> BluesKaj: For now, I give up :P
[18:58] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: hey dude
[19:41] <provolik> Hi to all
[19:42] <provolik> I have just installed kubuntu 12.04 but I have a problem with skype audio
[19:42] <provolik> when I call Skype Test Call I hear a noise and I dont hear my registered voice
[19:43] <provolik> Can someone help me?
[19:48] <provolik> Okay
[19:48] <provolik> I can hear my voice now
[19:49] <provolik> but the audio from skype is noisy
[20:03] <SaCruM> Can someone explain me how can i get permissions on Gimp folder to paste new filters on the script folder (on gimp's directory). Everytime i try to paste something there it say "Access denied". Please help?
[20:04] <TheLordOfTime> SaCruM:  where's that folder?
[20:04] <TheLordOfTime> because location is sometimes a factor...
[20:04] <SaCruM> usr/share/gimp/scripts
[20:04] <SaCruM> :/
[20:06] <SaCruM> TheLordOfTime: is it possible to paste it there? I really want those filters to work :/
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> SaCruM:  you'd need superuser for that.  Did you check your own user folder for it (~/.gimp-2.6/)
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> SaCruM:  use your own home preferences folder, not /usr/share/gimp/scripts
[20:06] <SaCruM> TheLordOfTime: i didn't. Let me see
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> in Precise, it uses ~/.gimp-2.6, but i'm also not on KDE atm
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> SaCruM:  inside that folder is a scripts folder, so...
[20:07] <SaCruM> what's the shortcut to see hidden folders on dolphin? i forgot.
[20:07] <TheLordOfTime> been a while since i remembered that...
[20:08] <SaCruM> ohhh that folder .gimp-2.6 is on my folder.
[20:08] <HAMKoot> alt + .
[20:08] <SaCruM> I opened it from terminal. how can i open it with dolphin now
[20:08] <SaCruM> HAMKoot: oh thanks :)
[20:08] <HAMKoot> on gnome ctrl + h
[20:08] <SaCruM> How can i open a folder when from terminal? i forgot :x
[20:08] <HAMKoot> cd ..
[20:08] <SaCruM> not changing directorys
[20:08] <TheLordOfTime> SaCruM:  cd /path/to/folder
[20:09] <TheLordOfTime> SaCruM:  try cd /home/YouRuserName/.gimp-2.6/scripts
[20:09] <HAMKoot> ls /path/to/yes
[20:09] <SaCruM> i'm at cd ~/.gimp-2.6 how can i open it with dolphin now? thats what i ment
[20:09] <TheLordOfTime> SaCruM:  type "dolphin"?
[20:09] <TheLordOfTime> or...
[20:09] <TheLordOfTime> maybe: dolphin ~/.gimp-2.6/
[20:10] <HAMKoot> if you opened dolphin from the start, a few mouseclicks
[20:10] <SaCruM> that worked :D
[20:10] <SaCruM> TheLordOfTime: dolphin ~/.gimp-2.6/ did it :)
[20:10] <SaCruM> Thank you so much for your help guys :)
[20:10] <TheLordOfTime> HAMKoot:  he doesnt have "Show hidden files" enabled i think
[20:10] <TheLordOfTime> or the .prefix'd files
[20:10] <HAMKoot> Have fun
[20:13] <HAMKoot> Yes, hidden files have a reason, i still would like to see a shadow of files/folders that are hidden, never found some plugin


[00:43] <zacwalls> So I downloaded the numix flatstudio theme and put in /usr/share/themes and it does not come up as an option in appearance
[00:47] <drc> Does the name conflict with another theme (numix)?  I always put the themes in ~/.themes...it's easier (permissions, etc).
[00:48] <knome> looking at https://github.com/dirruk1/Numix-Flatstudio, if you extracted something like that to /usr/share/themes/numix-flatstudio, it shouldn't work
[00:48] <drc> And just to be sure, when I put the theme in ~.themes, I rename them (ex: numix-DRC) so there is no conflict.
[00:48] <zacwalls> knome, why?
[00:48] <zacwalls> drc,no
[00:48] <knome> the /usr/share/themes/THEMENAME directory needs to have something that looks more like this: https://github.com/dirruk1/Numix-Flatstudio/tree/master/3.16
[00:49] <zacwalls> oh
[00:49] <zacwalls> ok
[00:49] <zacwalls> drc, I don't have a .themes in my home folder or in my /.local/share
[00:49] <drc> zacwalls: make one :)
[00:49] <knome> you can simply create /home/user/.themes
[00:50] <drc> zacwalls: The real reason I do that is I dislike playing with system files/folders unless I really have to.
[00:51] <drc> Less chance to break something.
[00:51] <zacwalls> lol yeah
[00:51] <zacwalls> been there before
[00:51] <drc> FYI... ~/.icons works also.
[00:52] <drc> And if you rename the themes ( *.DRC) then you can have several instances of the same theme to play with.
[00:53] <zacwalls> lol
[00:56] <zacwalls> knome, I downloaded the one from github you gave me and put it in the /home/zacwalls/.themes and same thing....
[00:57] <knome> zacwalls, with what directory name?
[00:57] <zacwalls> knome, what?
[00:57] <flocculant> what directory name?
[00:57] <zacwalls> whats the matter with it?
[00:57] <zacwalls> oh
[00:58] <zacwalls> knome, the dir is /home/zacwalls/.themes
[00:58] <zacwalls> Numix-Flatstudio-master
[00:58] <knome> zacwalls, ok... so what does 'ls -l /home/zacwalls/.themes' return (in a pastebin please)
[00:58] <knome> ok, so in that case straight to the next one:
[00:58] <knome> ls -l /home/zacwalls/.themes/Numix-Flatstudio-master
[00:59] <zacwalls> ok
[01:00] <zacwalls> knome, http://pastebin.com/XxzBUddV
[01:00] <knome> ok, so what did i tell you?
[01:00] <knome> 02:48  knome: looking at https://github.com/dirruk1/Numix-Flatstudio, if you  extracted something like that to /usr/share/themes/numix-flatstudio,  it shouldn't work
[01:00] <knome> 02:48  knome: the /usr/share/themes/THEMENAME directory needs to have something  that looks more like this:  https://github.com/dirruk1/Numix-Flatstudio/tree/master/3.16
[01:00] <knome> same goes here
[01:01] <knome> you need to have gtk-2.0 and gtk-3.0 there, not the 3.14 and 3.16 directories
[01:01] <zacwalls> knome so make a tree like this: Numix-Flatstudio/tree/3.16?
[01:01] <zacwalls> oh
[01:01] <zacwalls> gtk
[01:02] <knome> putting it *very* literally, you need to have /home/zacwalls/.themes/Numix-Flatstudio-master/gtk-2.0 (and /gtk-3.0)
[01:03] <zacwalls> knome, how do I download the files https://github.com/dirruk1/Numix-Flatstudio/tree/master/3.16
[01:03] <knome> don't overcomplicate it, just copy the files from the 3.16 directory to the themes root directory
[01:04] <drc> zacwalls: Maybe https://github.com/dirruk1/Numix-Flatstudio  The Download.zip on the right side?
[01:04] <zacwalls> drc, already did that
[01:04] <drc> or what knome said^^
[01:05] <knome> drc, that won't help; his problem isn't a wrong download, it's that the theme ships two versions, and neither of them isn't picked correctly because the structure of the directories is "wrong" on the branch
[01:05] <drc> knome: Yeah, sorry. I DL'd it and saw.
[01:05] <zacwalls> knome, do I need to rename 3.14/16
[01:06] <knome> zacwalls, no.
[01:06] <zacwalls> knome k
[01:06] <knome> see what is inside the 3.16 directory, please
[01:06] <zacwalls> knome k
[01:07] <knome> then please, take a moment to think if that is the content i told you you need to have in the themes root directory
[01:07] <zacwalls> knome, its files titled gtk-2.0 and gtk-3.0
[01:07] <zacwalls> oh
[01:07] <zacwalls> wow
[01:10] <zacwalls> this theme is horrid on xfce..
[01:10] <knome> well, glad you got it working...
[01:10] <zacwalls> lol
[02:34] <zacwalls> how to setup conky? I downloaded from the software center now all I get is an responsiveness launcher that says run conky.
[02:35] <flocculant> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpConky
[02:35] <zacwalls> flocculant, thx
[02:36] <flocculant> perhaps - conky is really one of those things that some think ar great ;)
[02:37] <flocculant> personally a bunch of stuff on my screen is rather 1990's and I was old then
[02:37] <zacwalls> flocculant, lol. What do you use?
[03:15] <zacwalls> I keep getting a error: conky: missing text block in configuration from my /etc/conky/conky.conf http://pastebin.com/WkWHuTPD
[03:24] <flocculant> zacwalls: :) I see no need to see those things :)
[03:24] <flocculant> all seems a bit pointless tbh
[03:25] <zacwalls> flocculant, what? I rebooted
[03:25] <flocculant> yea :) sorry - was commenting on the need for something like conky :)
[03:26] <zacwalls> flocculant, I just got bored and really liked its look...
[03:26] <flocculant> :D
[03:26] <zacwalls> Now its pissing me off
[03:26] <zacwalls> flocculant, do you know why I am getting that error?
[03:27] <flocculant> all seems a bit - oh yea I have a CPU and DRIVE and RAM and TEMp
[03:27] <zacwalls> flocculant, lol yeah
[03:27] <flocculant> no sorry - nver saw the point :D
[03:28] <zacwalls> flocculant, oh lol :p
[03:29] <flocculant> zacwalls: also you show the config but what error? if it's some net issue, then eth0 or eth1 isn;t now :)
[03:29] <zacwalls> flocculant, conky: missing text block in configuration is the error. My problem is because both files are blank...
[03:31] <flocculant> ok - someone will be along I hope ... I did say I would look at the config - not had that, possib;ly lucky escape ;)
[03:32] <flocculant> really think conky is so 1980's ..
[03:32] <zacwalls> flocculant, you have a better nock off?
[03:36] <flocculant> zacwalls: not at all - I said I'd look, and did - some one else might help you better wity conky
[03:36] <flocculant> I'd persuade you to lose it :)
[03:37] <zacwalls> flocculant, I meant a knock-off conky
[03:37] <flocculant> well - stop it starting :)
[03:37] <zacwalls> lo
[03:37] <zacwalls> l
[03:37] <flocculant> zacwalls: good luck - bed time here :)
[03:38] <zacwalls> flocculant, good night :)
[06:07] <capri> morning, im trying xubuntu with my thinkpad t530 in a dockingstation and dual monitor configuration. everything is fine, but when i lock and unlock my two monitors are black and i always have to open my notebook to login again an fix the resolution
[06:08] <capri> how can i fix that behavior?
[10:12] <littlebit> hi poeple, I have 14.10 running on my system for a while now and I want to upgrade to 15.10. Now, I have this link: http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-15-04-vivid-vervet-from-ubuntu-14-10-utopic-unicorn/ which tells me how to upgrade it, I wanted to ask around before I blindly trust this link.
[10:18] <littlebit> anyone?
[10:20] <Unit193> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/migrating-upgrading.html#upgrading
[10:22] <Unit193> Ah, I see you're asking in #ubuntu.
[12:41] <stephane_> Hi !
[12:41] <drc> hi
[12:44] <stephane_> I would like to install unbuntu alongside xubuntu... and would like to create a share folder on another partition.. so before to install xubuntu I will create a / folder, a /hom folder, swap partition and a /data folder to share files between the 2 distros...
[12:44] <stephane_> but my question is: how to encrypt the /data folder?
[12:45] <stephane_> I would use the same method if I want to encrypt the /home folder after to have installed Xubuntu?
[12:45] <drc> Don't use encryption, but my best guess would be that you'd have to do after the install.  I <think> the install procedure only has options for full disk and /home.
[12:46] <drc>  /data ^^
[12:46] <stephane_> on ubuntu... yes   on xubuntu its only /home folder which can be encrypted I believe
[12:46] <drc> OK, like I said, I don't use encryption :)
[12:47] <stephane_> drc:  yes I will have to do it after the install...
[14:25] <xubuntu450> qualcuno che parla italiano per aiutarmi a far lavorare la scheda interna wifi di un nc 10 samsung
[14:25] <cfhowlett> !es | xubuntu450
[14:26] <knob> cfhowlett, I think that's italian... lemme try!!
[14:26] <knob> !it
[14:26] <knob> yay!!
[14:26] <knob> =)
[14:26] <xubuntu450> ho seguito la procedura su internetma non so se i driver li ha installati
[14:26] <knob> xubuntu450, can you type that out in english?   Not understanding much over here.
[14:26] <cfhowlett> doh!  what can I say except "I'm American.  I come by my ignorance honestly."
[14:27] <knob> cfhowlett, nah... =)   I know because I speak spanish, so I recognized it wasn't spanish. =)
[14:27] <xubuntu450> join #ubuntu-it
[14:27] <knob> xubuntu450, with a /     /join #ubuntu-it
[14:28] <knob> Or alternately, try and write in english your questions here! =)
[14:28] <xubuntu450> grazie e scusa
[16:04] <SadStoryIsSad> hy
[16:05] <SadStoryIsSad> anybody use youtube live on 15.10 without flash?
[16:07] <drc> SadStoryIsSad: I haven't before, but I just went there and clicked the first video I saw...it worked...I have flash "ask to use", and it didn't ask, so I'm guessing it works without flash.
[16:08] <SadStoryIsSad> your browser?
[16:08] <drc> FF 41.0.2
[16:09] <drc> Stock 'buntu browser.
[16:09] <SadStoryIsSad> nothing extra install for it?
[16:10] <drc> I just tried with "never activate" flash and it worked.
[16:10] <drc> Don't understand your last question.
[16:10] <SadStoryIsSad> live or simple yt video?
[16:11] <drc> give me a url to triple check.
[16:12] <SadStoryIsSad> Do you install any other "extra" package to html5 support on Firefox? Maybe something change in about:config? By the way. How many blue box you have on youtube.com/html5?
[16:12] <SadStoryIsSad> drc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg
[16:13] <drc> That URL doesn't work...so I guess even though everyone saie "live" it really wasn't.  Sorry
[16:13] <SadStoryIsSad> sorry for my english... i know it is not the best :/
[16:14] <drc> Neither is mine...and I'm a native speaker :)
[16:14] <SadStoryIsSad> good for you :P
[16:14] <yao_ziyuan> hi all. just switched from fedora to xunbuntu :)
[16:15] <yao_ziyuan> but one problem: the boot screen is all black. my laptop has the same xunbuntu but it can display the "xubuntu" boot screen fine.
[16:15] <SadStoryIsSad> by the way that link is to Sky News live stream and you said doesn't work?
[16:17] <drc> SadStoryIsSad: https://i.imgur.com/JhO36R3.png
[16:17] <SadStoryIsSad> hmm
[16:18] <ronin> is it possible to change to latin1 in xfce terminal
[16:19] <SadStoryIsSad> drc: thank you. do you change anything in about:config?
[16:20] <drc> SadStoryIsSad:   no
[16:20] <SadStoryIsSad> thanks ^^
[16:21] <drc> ronin: Not that I see...lots of options in Terminal Preferences->Advanced->encoding...but I don't see Latin1
[17:29] <RockLee> Hey guys I have a question. I was connecting my laptop to an HDMI out for the first time. I usually have an anime wallpaper on my desktop, however, my wallpaper reverted to a pic I took at a cultural festival. How can I fix it so that my HDMI out wallpaper stays the same as my normal wallpaper?
[17:29] <RockLee> I don't have any kind of way to connect my pc to an out at home, so it sort of surprised me that the old one from a few months ago popped up when I was doing my presentation
[18:03] <genius3000> If you mean, the second display wallpaper "changed", then set the 'all monitors' option when you choose a wallpaper in desktop settings. Might need to have the second display connected.
[18:06] <drc> genius3000: He's long gone.
[18:42] <zacwalls> How can I get Xubuntu to run faster as a whole. Kernel and everything? Because like 70% of my CPU is being used up when I have a small amount of processes running.
[18:42] <Latrodectus> can someone point me to the hashes for xubuntu?
[18:45] <drc> Latrodectus: Hashes?
[18:46] <Latrodectus> drc: hash of the packaged iso, to make sure that it has not been tampered with
[18:46] <Latrodectus> also that the torrent downloaded correctly
[18:48] <drc> ok...quick answer http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/  all releases are under there.
[18:49] <Latrodectus> ty
[18:50] <drc> np (find what you meeded?)
[18:52] <Latrodectus> yes
[18:52] <drc> zacwalls: That's a really complicated question...what the hardware specs for your machine, what "processes"...and more.
[18:53] <drc> In short, I doubt anyone can quickly answer you question, without a lot more data.
[18:54] <zacwalls> drc, I have 2gb's of ram, a Pentium Dual-Core processor and I do have a pretty common laptop, A Toshiba Satellite.
[18:55] <drc> and old
[18:55] <drc> "Pentium Dual-Core" is probably your problem.
[18:56] <drc> Unless Pentium Dual-Core doesn't mean the old intel pentium.
[18:56] <zacwalls> drc, I figured. But still, it is not Pentium M or something. Its old but not that old.
[18:56] <zacwalls> drc, it does :/
[19:00] <drc> Here's a start. Reboot...open ONLY the Task Manager and see what is using up all the cpu cycles.
[19:01] <zacwalls> drc, it's fine. I just really need a hardware upgrade :/
[19:01] <drc> That too :)
[19:01] <drc> and me too...my laptop is 8 years old now :(
[19:04] <zacwalls> drc, yeah, I can't afford a hardware upgrade for a while. :/
[19:04] <drc> TBH, about the only thing you're going to be able to do easily is limit what is being used.
[19:06] <drc> Check what plugins on the panel are eating cycles, and what being auto-opened on boot...and that sort of thing.
[19:07] <drc> Maybe use "lighter" apps...midori rather than Firefox...abiword rather than libreoffice...etc.
[19:09] <zacwalls> drc, I use a browser called Vivaldi
[19:09] <drc> And the ultimate tool...use a distro that was designed for older/low-spec-machines (puppy, etc)
[19:10] <drc> You can actually search distrowatch for that sort of distro.
[20:06] <Artemis3> zacwalls, and my pentium m powered eeepc runs xubuntu just fine
[20:09] <zacwalls> Artemis3, odd...
[20:13] <Artemis3> see which process is doing that
[20:18] <mrkramps> xubuntu should run on this device, but another desktop environment/window manager may be a better choice
[20:18] <Artemis3> oh yes, just in case, remove apt-xapian-index its evil :3
[20:18] <Artemis3> nah it runs fine with 2gb of ram
[20:19] <Artemis3> perfectly fine
[20:19] <Artemis3> the eepc runs the pentium-m like cpu at 630mhz
[20:20] <Artemis3> it is a pentium-m with half the cache of a regular pentium m
[20:20] <Artemis3> iirc
[20:20] <Artemis3> anyway much slower
[20:20] <Artemis3> im even running compton
[20:21] <Artemis3> (because default compositor tears)
[20:21] <mrkramps> Artemis3, you mean the celeron m, i guess
[20:21] <Artemis3> yes i guess thats the one, and its underclocked
[20:22] <Artemis3> but i leave it underclocked and its fine. for the browser, i switched to palemoon
[20:22] <mrkramps> yes, that's what wikipedia is telling me
[20:22] <Artemis3> that one is not even using a swap file
[20:23] <mrkramps> but i cannot image this device running the latest xubuntu
[20:23] <Artemis3> its on 14.04 LTS atm
[20:23] <Artemis3> Xubuntu that is
[20:23] <mrkramps> ok, but the RAM was upgraded to max
[20:24] <Artemis3> 16.04 probably brings systemd, but if its like debian, i could just probably install sysvcore or such to get rid of it
[20:24] <Artemis3> yes i put 2gb, came with 512mb
[20:24] <mrkramps> actually already 14.04 uses parts of it in terms of logind
[20:24] <Artemis3> with 512mb i would be using lxde or less
[20:24] <mrkramps> and 15.04 has full systemd integration
[20:25] <mrkramps> and there's absolutely no reason to not use it
[20:25] <Artemis3> but at least its not init 1
[20:25] <Artemis3> oh i have seen debian jessie installs doing funny things so
[20:26] <Artemis3> i'll stay away from it
[20:26] <Artemis3> maybe in a few years when the bugs are ironed
[20:28] <Artemis3> funny things = kernel panic (not nice)
[20:28] <mrkramps> ah ha, which is because of systemd?
[20:30] <Artemis3> yup, boot into single mode, install sysvinit-core and it boots.
[20:30] <Artemis3> at work we put that package at the preseed
[20:30] <Artemis3> end of problems.
[20:31] <Artemis3> thing is too buggy for prodoction, seriously
[20:36] <mrkramps> I cannot complain *shrugs*
[20:36] <mrkramps> zacwalls, have you already found the process(es) causing most of your cpu load?
[21:04] <lianna> i like xubuntu
[21:04] <lianna> seems nicely working well from install
[21:07] <knome> lianna, glad to hear, enjoy
[21:47] <zacwalls> mrkramps, no.
[21:55] <frenbu_> hi - i run Xubuntu 14.04.3 LTS, upgraded from 13.04, on a HP Elitebook 2530p laptop - i have an issue when plugging/unplugging the power cord, the network interfaces connection(s) get disconnected but after few second they reconnect. how can i effectively troubleshoot this (logs, configurations)?
[22:42] <zacwalls> So I am trying to install spotify. Everything was going as normal until this: http://pastebin.com/apQrkwDL
[22:52] <frenbu_> zacwalls: try this http://goo.gl/fKBeSL
[22:55] <zacwalls> frebu_ ok
[22:56] <frenbu_> zacwalls, you should also install libssl0.9.8 first, on which spotify-client depends --> "sudo apt-get install libssl0.9.8"
[22:57] <zacwalls> frenbu_, thx :)
[22:58] <zacwalls> frenbu_, E: Package 'libssl0.9.8' has no installation candidate
[22:58] <zacwalls> Do you know the repo?
[22:58] <zacwalls> oh'
[23:05] <zacwalls> Damn thing has been applying changes for 10 min....
[23:07] <frenbu_> zacwalls, i found this http://goo.gl/PpZwid look like there's a spotify repo with all you need
[23:07] <zacwalls> frenbu_, thank you :)
[23:14] <Slumlord_> hello
[23:14] <knome> hello
[23:14] <Slumlord_> anybody game in xubuntu?
[23:14] <Slumlord_> having an error message
[23:15] <knome> Slumlord_, why don't you ask the real question
[23:15] <Slumlord_> k
[23:15] <Slumlord_> ImportText: unknown struct item loadscreen inpropery slots
[23:15] <Slumlord_> ImportText: unknown struct item loadscreen inproperty slots
[23:16] <knome> and this happens where, with what?
[23:16] <Slumlord_> Failed to find object `class gametypes.awpgameinfo`
[23:16] <Slumlord_> History:
[23:16] <Slumlord_> Exiting due to error
[23:16] <Slumlord_> happens in terminal
[23:16] <Slumlord_> ./postal2
[23:22] <Slumlord_> am missing software?
[23:22] <Slumlord_> am I missing software?
[23:25] <frenbu_> anybody? - i run Xubuntu 14.04.3 LTS, upgraded from 13.04, on a HP Elitebook 2530p laptop - i have an issue when plugging/unplugging the power cord, the network interfaces connection(s) get disconnected but after few second they reconnect. how can i effectively troubleshoot this (logs, configurations)?
[23:27] <genius3000> drc2: Downside to having joins/parts/quits ignored and no tab-completion on the Android client. :)
[23:30] <drc2> genius3000: yeah, that affects me also, so if the time stamps show it's been a while I just run the mouse over the nick and see if they're still around.
[23:31] <zacwalls> frenbu_, Same problem. How can I install libssl0.9.8?
[23:41] <frenbu_> zacwalls, i use italian ubuntu repositories, libssl is located in the "universe" repositories, so you should enable them in your /etc/apt/sources.list or via GUI "Software & Updates" utility
[23:42] <zacwalls> frenbu_, ok
[23:42] <HeadlessHorseman> In trusty+ OpenSSL has libssl1.0.0, which is the only LTS currently supported in Xubuntu.
[23:44] <zacwalls> HeadlessHorseman, frenbu_ I am using 15.10. Also, I don't have a universe repo...
[23:45] <HeadlessHorseman> Xfce is in Universe...
[23:45] <zacwalls> HeadlessHorseman, odd
[23:45] <HeadlessHorseman> !info xfwm4
[23:45] <bekks> !info libssl1 trusty | HeadlessHorseman
[23:45] <bekks> hmm.
[23:45] <HeadlessHorseman> bekks: As I said, libssl1.0.0
[23:46] <bekks> HeadlessHorseman: 1.0.0. refers to the package name, the version is 1.0.1f
[23:46] <zacwalls> bekks, why does spotify want the older version?
[23:46] <HeadlessHorseman> Correct, specifically ABI/API.
[23:47] <drc2> zacwalls: Are you using USC?
[23:47] <bekks> zacwalls: IÄm not using spotify.
[23:47] <zacwalls> drc2, what?
[23:47] <drc2> You say you don't have Universe...are you using the Ubuntu Software Center?
[23:48] <zacwalls> drc2, yes sometimes..
[23:48] <drc2> zacwalls: humor me :)  search for xfce4-sen in USC.  Any hits?
[23:49] <zacwalls> drc2, one sec
[23:49] <zacwalls> new error http://pastebin.com/iE8XNApr
[23:50] <bekks> zacwalls: So install it.
[23:51] <zacwalls> bekks, I have the new version and there is no repo on my PC that has it...
[23:51] <zacwalls> drc2, one hit, hardware sensor
[23:51] <bekks> zacwalls: Then maybe the spotify client is just too old.
[23:52] <zacwalls> bekks, well, what else can I do?
[23:52] <HeadlessHorseman> Should link against newer libs.
[23:52] <zacwalls> HeadlessHorseman, what?
[23:52] <drc2> zacwalls: The you have Universe (xfce4-sensor...  is in there) Not sure what the problem is then :(
[23:52] <zacwalls> drc2, odd
[23:52] <drc2> really? :)
[23:53] <zacwalls> yeah
[23:53] <bekks> HeadlessHorseman: In case of an ABI change between 0.9.x and 1.x, the old lib is still needed.
[23:53] <HeadlessHorseman> Or, the program should be rebuilt to *link* against newer libs, was my statement.
[23:54] <drc2> zacwalls: Have you seen this>  http://unix.itsprite.com/unixtrying-to-install-spotify-with-libssl1-0-0/
[23:54] <zacwalls> drc2, nope...
[23:55] <drc2> zacwalls: May be no help but it's the best google could do for me.
[23:56] <zacwalls> drc2, should I do it?
[23:57] <drc2> Do what? Read it, sure...nothing you've tried up to now works, what have you got to loose?
[23:57] <zacwalls> drc2, my system.