[00:47] <Jarvis> anyone around? I'm trying to figure out what else needs to be done to get a bug patched in lucid, before it drives me and everyone else crazy :(
[00:48] <Jarvis> i've attached a debdiff to it, subscribed SRU , Sponsors , even attached the patch copied from debian, and its still sitting there :(
[00:49] <Jarvis> Incidentally the bug has been filed since before Lucid was released (16th March :( )
[01:05] <jdong> Jarvis: what bug number is this?
[01:05] <jdong> in general, the only thing that needs to be done is jdong needs to finish his latest homework/project...
[01:06] <jdong> but since Lucid's release is a ridiculously long amount of time; that probably means I didn't notice the bug report.
[01:07] <Jarvis> Bug #539814
[01:07] <Jarvis> thats the tar one anyways
[01:07] <Jarvis> theres also a similar bug in coreutils :)(
[01:07] <Jarvis> * :(
[01:09] <jdong> Jarvis: ok, while we're waiting, you should upload a revised debdiff using "-2ubuntu0.1" as the version number
[01:09] <jdong> but that's a minor nitpick.
[01:09] <Jarvis> kk i'll do that shortly
[01:09] <jdong> other than that, there's nothing that you did wrong
[01:09] <jdong> unfortunately, tar is in main, and there's far fewer core-devs than universe-uploading devs
[01:10] <jdong> and also, tar is really important, which probably scares off most people from touching it ;-)
[01:10] <Jarvis> true
[01:10] <Jarvis> i should see if theres a related report for coreutils  as well, as thats the same issue
[01:10] <Jarvis> if not i'll file one
[01:10] <jdong> my best advice is to try to find a core developer in #ubuntu-devel to feel comfortable enough to sponsor the patch for you
[01:10] <Jarvis> kk
[01:10] <Jarvis> cheers jdong
[01:11] <jdong> I don't have core uploading powers, otherwise I'd feel bad and help you right now ;-)
[01:11] <Jarvis> ;-)
[01:11] <jdong> but once it's uploaded to the queue, I'd be happy to look over and approve it
[01:11] <Jarvis> kk , cheers :)
[10:42] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: waiting for your endorsement! very little time left!
[10:44] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: busy doing it right now. I got sidetracked by writing a sponsorship-listing tool https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~stefanor/ubuntu-dev-tools/sponsor-list
[10:45] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: np :)
[10:45] <bilalakhtar> but little time left, only 3 days!
[11:25] <geser> bilalakhtar: tumbleweed can also give live endorsements during the meeting
[11:26] <bilalakhtar> geser: Thanks for the idea, well, he can only do so if he's free at that time :_
[11:26] <bilalakhtar> geser: I would have asked you for an endorsement but you have sponsored only 1 merge
[11:27] <bilalakhtar> bdrung just endorsed, but he pointed out lintian errors with my very first package
[13:16] <vish> could someone open the lucid task for Bug 587853 ?
[13:19] <ari-tczew> how can I check whether my get-orig-source is correct?
[13:19] <ari-tczew> dch ? which options?
[13:20] <tumbleweed> by running it?
[13:21] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: dh get-orig-source
[13:21] <bilalakhtar> though I am not sure
[13:21] <tumbleweed> eh?
[13:21] <tumbleweed> you mean debian/rules get-orig-source
[13:21] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: yes
[13:21] <bilalakhtar> oops, yes
[13:21] <bilalakhtar> debian/rules get-orig-source
[13:22] <bilalakhtar> vish: Who all have the privileges to open nominations?
[13:23] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: MOTUs can for universe/multiverse packages. He nedes a core-dev
[13:23]  * vish tickles a core-dev :D
[13:23] <bilalakhtar> vish: you're better off asking it in #ubuntu-devel
[13:24] <vish> tumbleweed: the problem was the wiki wasnt clear regarding who accepts the task, else didrocks would have opened it himself..
[13:25] <vish> SRU is confusing.. probably should try to get bugs fixed before release itself ;p
[13:26] <tumbleweed> vish: I think they should be opened whenever it looks like an SRU is going to be necessary or just that the bug is specific to a released version
[13:30] <vish> yeah, I'v sometimes noticed seb128 and pitti just opening the task when they get the chance.. but the wiki could be more clear about that
[13:31] <tumbleweed> unfortunatly people misunderstand the "nominate" button and try to use it to get attention to their bugs
[13:33] <vish> ..they think its adding a +1 ;)
[13:33]  * tumbleweed is pretty sure I've done it
[13:36] <didrocks> tumbleweed: vish: hey guys, about which bugs are you talking about?
[13:37] <tumbleweed> 14:16 < vish> could someone open the lucid task for Bug 587853 ?
[13:37] <vish> didrocks: oops! you were spying here! :(
[13:37] <vish> ;p
[13:37] <didrocks> vish: everytime :-)
[13:37] <didrocks> oh that ones
[13:38] <didrocks> vish: pitti will get it in -proposed next week (he was on holiday this weekà
[13:38] <didrocks> I'll accept the lucid task, as I'm really not sure who should accept
[13:38] <didrocks> I opened them for my SRU, so I think it's ok
[13:38] <didrocks> but yeah, the process isn't very clear on what to do
[13:38] <vish> didrocks: cool, thanks. yeah.. its not clear on the wiki :)
[13:38] <ari-tczew> didrocks: I ascertained to make get-orig-source
[13:38]  * tumbleweed doesn't think it matters too much who does it
[13:39] <didrocks> ari-tczew: great! should make the repacking more easy
[13:40] <didrocks> vish: can you ping pitti (and me next Monday (maybe in the afternoon, once he has backlogged a little bit) so that he can have a look at it?
[13:40] <didrocks> there is another one IIRC
[13:40] <didrocks> (that I sponsored)
[13:41] <vish> didrocks: sure, will do .. :)
[13:41] <didrocks> thanks vish :)
[13:41] <vish> np..
[13:44] <ari-tczew> is this page wrote correct? all languages in one page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Examples/ChangingTheOrigTarball
[14:18]  * ari-tczew loves reviewing source through bazaar! <3
[17:26] <lfaraone> jdstrand: re bug 507579, the FFe was approved in bug 663401. I was not aware of the needs-packaging bug.
[17:32] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: clementine is finished and available on bazaar. soon will be uploaded @REVU.
[17:45] <iulian> lfaraone: Could you please close that bug then?
[17:56] <lfaraone> iulian: marked as a duplicate
[17:59] <lfaraone> (of bug 633401, that is)
[18:00] <lfaraone> should 633401 have not been marked fix released when it was synced? (instead being as such when it was approved from new)
[18:06] <iulian> lfaraone: If the package is in the archive now then the bug should be marked as fix released.
[18:06] <lfaraone> iulian: well, it's in NEW (
[18:15] <iulian> lfaraone: Hm, I've no idea.  Maybe he's waiting for ScottK to accept it.
[18:17] <lfaraone> iulian: scott said that he'd ack it as long as somebody else handled it in NEW.
[18:18] <iulian> lfaraone: Ah-ha, then find an archive admin to review it.
[18:25] <lfaraone> Riddell: ^^
[18:36] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: clementine is finished. issues fixed, ready for ACK :)
[19:53] <hrw|gone> can someone told me why upload of armel-toolchain-base 1.46 failed? Launchpad log says "duplicate ancestry"
[19:56] <hrw|gone> bb on monday
[20:32] <ScottK> lfaraone: Before I accept it, can you fix jdstand's comment about the postinst?
[22:41] <Riddell> lfaraone: you pinged?
[22:43] <lfaraone> Riddell: yeah, sorry to bother. It was re turtleart in NEW, but ScottK'd like me to fix a bug first before he accepts it.
[22:43] <Riddell> he's harsh like that :)
[22:45] <lfaraone> ScottK: would it be okay to upload the fix to debian and rereq the sync, then? or just upload directly to Ubuntu?
[23:20] <ScottK> lfaraone: Either way.


[00:42] <brandonn> heey how do i download it from a virtual disk?
[00:42] <brandonn> urmm ubuntu 10.04 server
[00:43] <brandonn> nebody know?
[01:19] <brandonn> pace_t_zulu
[01:20] <brandonn> i couldn't get ubuntu server installed from the disk
[01:20] <brandonn> do i do it from the ubuntu boot menu, which i have already from ubuntu desktop?
[01:22] <brandonn> pace_t_zulu: u there?
[01:23] <pace_t_zulu> looks like i missed brandonn
[01:31] <pace_t_zulu> sup chris4585
[01:31] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, not a lot just playing some fallout, yourself?
[01:32] <pace_t_zulu> just got home a little while ago
[01:32] <pace_t_zulu> arrived to 8GB of ram to install in my new laptop
[01:32] <pace_t_zulu> pretty excited bout that
[01:32] <chris4585> oh nice
[01:33] <chris4585lappy> I have 4gbs in both my desktop and laptop whoo
[03:01] <linuxman410> anyone here
[03:01] <vychune> oweno/
[03:01] <vychune> i mean o/
[03:02] <vychune> i just got here myself
[03:03] <linuxman410> vychune i keep trying to update and it says it cannot because it requires installation of untrusted packages what is wrong
[03:03] <vychune> what disto?
[03:04] <linuxman410> ubuntu 10.10
[03:05] <vychune> i forgot wha they are called but they are unsigned
[03:05] <vychune> apt line i think
[03:07] <vychune> http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/10/fix-requires-installation-untrusted-packages-error-ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat/
[03:07] <vychune> use that to fix it
[03:13] <vychune> hey
[03:13] <linuxman410> vychune there are no keys when i do that
[03:15] <vychune> try updating agian
[03:15] <linuxman410> i am updating from commandline
[03:16] <vychune> no gui period?
[03:16] <linuxman410> in a terminal
[03:17] <vychune> oh no
[03:17] <vychune> try agian in update man
[03:18] <cyberanger> hey linuxman410
[03:18] <linuxman410> cyberanger hey what u up too
[03:18] <cyberanger> a bit, honestly
[03:18] <cyberanger> frustrating night
[03:18] <cyberanger> linuxman410: sudo apt-get update
[03:19] <cyberanger> might be the issue
[03:19] <cyberanger> outdated info
[03:19] <vychune> when you updated from terminal it should have fixed the problem or shown you the bad keys. cyberanger: so im not here right?
[03:19] <cyberanger> when you update, it doesn't show bad keys on his issue
[03:20] <cyberanger> as the keys aren't bad, the sig is
[03:20] <vychune> oh
[03:20] <cyberanger> in that error
[03:20] <cyberanger> or so I presume
[03:20] <vychune> so it would have the NO PUB KEY thingys
[03:20] <vychune> *wouldnt
[03:20] <cyberanger> as for you not here, that's news, I thought your always here ;-)
[03:20] <vychune> lol
[03:21] <linuxman410> it update through commandline and worked
[03:21] <cyberanger> vychune: right, signature failure, not key failure
[03:21] <vychune> good now try update man
[03:23] <cyberanger> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:23] <linuxman410> cyberanger i got me a new ham radio and have to go take test to get my tech license to operate it
[03:23] <cyberanger> linuxman410: cool
[03:23] <cyberanger> just pass the test before you hit the tx key ;-)
[03:23] <linuxman410> can still listen without license
[03:23] <cyberanger> yes, indeed
[03:23] <cyberanger> hence why I only said tx key, not power button, Rx is fine
[03:23] <vychune> oh ok that works too lol
[03:23] <linuxman410> no i will not hit the talk key without a lincense
[03:24] <cyberanger> I monitor around here, and a repeater or two will cover enough for both of us
[03:24] <cyberanger> so let me know when that day happens ;-)
[03:27] <linuxman410> will do cyberanger i actually have 2 i bought a good used one before i bought my new one got the used one for 35 dollars
[03:28] <cyberanger> sweet
[03:30] <linuxman410> i am maxing out my computer now 2 chatrooms email open and fixing to open ebay
[14:53] <Xpistos> Hey
[15:07] <wrst> hey Xpistos
[17:00] <pace_t_zulu> sup Xpistos wrst
[17:01] <Xpistos> just chilling working on updating my website
[17:01] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: did you resolve the problem you had yesterday? i heard about it after you were gone
[17:02] <Xpistos> Uh no I didn't actually
[17:02] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: doing well, did you get all of our young windows server tycoon taken care of last night?
[17:02] <Xpistos> but it was a CentOS box
[17:02] <Xpistos> LOL
[17:02] <Xpistos> He was a nice guy
[17:03] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: we helped him as much as we could...
[17:04] <wrst> ha ha pace_t_zulu i know its hard to help some folks nice kid but i fear he is in over his knowledge level right now
[17:06] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i didn't realize he had ubuntu-desktop installed... we could have had him just apt-get install apache2
[17:07] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: he's doing the right things though... i don't doubt that he'll switch to linux if he keeps it up
[17:07] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: he was determined... i'll definitely credit him with that
[17:07] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: what was the CentOS box problem?
[17:07] <wrst> yeah and he's willing to learn and that's a huge thing
[17:08] <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu: I have a website I need hosted here at work. It is an old Joomla install that we are only posting and doing nothing with until the new site is built
[17:09] <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu: I have it working and ready at mail.lgclicense.com/cityofbaxter.com
[17:09] <Xpistos> or http://mail.lgclicense.com/cityofbaxter.com
[17:09] <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu: I need to get apache to use the localhost/cityofbaxter as localhost
[17:10] <Xpistos> I tried to change the DocumentRoot and Directory in httpd/httpd.conf but it doesn't work
[17:11] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: did you restart apache after the changes?
[17:11] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: the GUI theme in natty is better ... at least the 2d version
[17:12] <wrst> i haven't played witht he 2d pace_t_zulu, been completely in unity 3d but it isn't bad i don't think but compared to gnome 3 its just, well lacking
[17:12] <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu: I am chomping at the bit to get the new rc cause I need to get off this Ultimate edition
[17:13] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: 3d unity causes a kernel panic on my machine right now... sticking to 2d until a new version of virtualbox (which i don't doubt will be available around 11.04 release day)
[17:13] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: it'd be nice if they ported the ambience theme to gnome 3
[17:13] <pace_t_zulu> and kde for that matter
[17:14] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: i'm not so sure 11.04 is going to be as good as 10.04 and 10.10
[17:14] <wrst> that is one thing that gnome 3 is lacking is themes ability to customize etc but it will come with time
[17:14] <pace_t_zulu> i'd stick to 10.04 if stability is the aim ... 10.10 if freshness is the aim
[17:14] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i think on most machines that i need to work i'm sticking with 10.04  on things like my mom's machine etc
[17:14] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: that'll make it into one of the next releases
[17:15] <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu: You think I should just reinstall 10.04?
[17:15] <Xpistos> or is 10.10 good
[17:15] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea, 10.04 is solid... i must admit i'm a fan of the updated theme in 10.10 though... it looks sooo much better
[17:16] <wrst> yes it does pace_t_zulu much !
[17:16] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i can't hide how much aesthetics appeal to me
[17:16] <Xpistos> I usually reinstall every 6 months but I haven't don it since Last april so I am due
[17:16] <wrst> Xpistos: i think 10.10 is good, 11.04 beta i have had little trouble out of but with gnome 3 i haven't used much of it lately either
[17:16] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: you are a Mac user ;)
[17:16] <Xpistos> brb
[17:16] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: did you develop that "reinstall every 6 months" habit with windows?
[17:17] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i can't deny it
[17:17] <wrst> ha ha pace_t_zulu i like my wife's macbook but must admit most of the things i do i prefer doing them in linux
[17:19] <wrst> so i guess if i had the mac hardware i would spend most of my time using a linux distro anyway
[17:25] <pace_t_zulu> wrst what things do you prefer in linux?
[17:26] <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu: no linux. It forces me to keep things clean cause I hose it up playing with it all the time
[17:26] <wrst> mainly gnome pace_t_zulu, its just easier, and hardware, especially printing is easier
[17:26] <wrst> as strange as that is since both use cups :)
[17:26] <wrst> network printing on my wife's macbook is a pain
[17:27] <wrst> for one printer i've had to compile drivers
[17:29] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ouch
[17:29] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: sorry to hear that about the printers
[17:30] <wrst> yeah its an hp p1006 odd printer but supported over usb but when i have it to my ubuntu server using ipp it absolutely will not work, and still doesn't i tried using the foomatic drivers but failed there some how, but the over all process is easier for me in linux, BUT its what i am used to using :) and that makes a HUGE difference
[17:31] <wrst> but i would certainly go mac over windows anyday of the week no contest
[17:31] <wrst> but linux gives me all i need at much lower price point
[17:43] <Xpistos> I am just happy I got my Epson Artisan 810 to print and scan
[17:43] <Xpistos> When I figure out the print to CD feature I will be good
[19:47] <Xpistos> back
[19:55] <Mighty_Penguin> I will have cable internet tomorrow if everything goes correctly
[19:58] <wrst> congrats Mighty_Penguin!!!!
[19:58] <wrst> unlimited downloads for you!
[20:00] <Mighty_Penguin> yes!
[20:01] <wrst> cool that will make you an even mightier penguin, Mighty_Penguin ;)
[20:01] <Mighty_Penguin> har har
[20:01]  * Mighty_Penguin does a waddle dance
[20:02] <Xpistos> LOL. We waddled.
[20:44] <orias> lol
[21:06] <vychune> hey anyone here?
[21:11] <wrst> nope noone to be found vychune ;)
[21:11] <vychune> haha little help?
[21:11] <vychune> http://pastebin.com/BZU4GR8i
[21:19] <wrst> hmm vychune you could attempt to force install but don't know if that is a good idea or not
[21:20] <vychune> when i apt get update i get this
[21:20] <vychune> E: Type 'in' is not known on line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/unity-2d-team-unity-2d-daily-lucid.list
[21:21] <wrst> vychune: how did you add that  ppa?
[21:21] <vychune> CLI
[21:23] <wrst> using add-apt-repository ppa:....
[21:23] <vychune> yes
[21:23] <pace_t_zulu> should have got the key with it
[21:24] <pace_t_zulu> what version? before 10.04?
[21:24] <vychune> no
[21:25] <vychune> heres the key
[21:25] <vychune> http://pastebin.com/9N9q4Xem
[21:37] <vychune> woohoo
[21:43] <vychune> where is the soucres list
[21:45] <wrst> /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:48] <vychune> ty
[21:52] <vychune> unity2d is not available for my computer
[21:52] <vychune>  /o\
[21:59] <vychune> chibihogoshino sup
[22:57] <Xpistos> Is it possible to manually edit an rss feed?
[22:58] <Xpistos> or better yet manually ADD to an RSS feed?
[22:58] <Xpistos> well lets save that for tomorrow.
[22:58] <Xpistos> l8s~


[08:44] <LLStarks> hey, how do i get the minefield dropdown button?
[08:44] <LLStarks> http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TXPzxb36blI/AAAAAAAADVU/wdRVsKW6IGo/firefox-4-orta.png
[11:21] <chrisccoulson> m_conley_away, does the Tools -> Message Filters menu item in tbird work for you with the global menu?
[16:57] <fta> jcastro, planet is still stuck :(
[16:58] <fta> who's in charge of that?
[17:02] <jcastro> IS
[17:02] <jcastro> someone is likely looking at it
[19:14] <jcastro> fta: they fixed it
[19:14] <jcastro> but you probably know that by now
[20:14] <fta> jcastro, thanks
[20:14] <jcastro> fta: and some progress on appmode stuff!
[20:15] <fta> jcastro, i'm turning crazy with the focus issues
[20:15] <jcastro> for the webapps?
[20:15] <fta> no, everything
[20:15] <fta> enough that i can't work anymore
[20:16] <fta> i will either switch to unity-2d or go back to classic with metacity
[20:17] <fta> i have some real work to do involving a lot of windows, and it's possible with unity
[20:17] <fta> lol, *not* possible
[20:22] <fta> asac, i see a bunch of people looking for "chromium arm ppa" in my blog stats
[20:24] <fta> dpm, hi, fyi, a few words about Uyghur in http://ftagada.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/chromium-10-in-ubuntu/  I didn't have time to make a dedicated post about translations in a while :P
[20:42] <dpm> fta, need to run now, I'll have a read tomorrow, thanks for the heads up!
[20:57] <LLStarks> chris, do you have that bug number for the preferred app issues with tbird?


[02:09] <daftykins> http://www.ebuyer.com/662872-acer-aspire-xc-115-desktop-pc-dt-svtek-003
[02:09]  * daftykins chuckles
[02:23] <diddledan> is freedos a viable system these days then?
[02:31] <zmoylan-1i> it has kept getting better last i read up on it
[02:35] <daftykins> i just imagine there's some kind of rule about no OS on a fully assembled system 0o
[02:35] <daftykins> don't really know why they bother at all
[02:36] <zmoylan-pi> because dell needs an os to update firmware :-)
[02:36] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeDOS#Commercial_uses
[02:37] <zmoylan-pi> and when the nsa tries to infect your freedos system the additions to the config.sys and autoexec.bat stand out :-D
[03:40] <mapps> strange eh
[08:49] <knightwise> morning
[08:55] <SuperMatt> good morning
[08:55] <SuperMatt> glad the journald bug in vivid is fixed
[08:55] <SuperMatt> I can actually boot my machine first time now
[08:57] <knightwise> SuperMatt: what happened  ?
[09:03] <diplo> Morning guys, does anyone here use any opensource projects type software ?
[09:03] <diplo> And if so recommend anything
[09:03] <popey> wat?
[09:03] <popey> project management stuff?
[09:04] <diplo> Sorry wasn't expecting that quick a reply
[09:04] <diplo> :)
[09:05] <diplo> So I basically write web software currently but I never know what other team members are working on, we have a case management software but it doesn't do projects
[09:05] <diplo> I want one of the administration girls to keep on top of the staff knowing what we are doing and where we are
[09:05] <diplo> So like percentage complete type thing
[09:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:08] <diplo> Morning davmor2 :)
[09:08] <popey> diplo: trello
[09:08] <diplo> Just looking now thanks
[09:08] <diplo> davmor2, did you ever master Django ? I remember talking about it a while ago, just about to start playing again myself :)
[09:10] <davmor2> diplo: no, I understood the pythony bits however the html/css part that you need to build on top to be able to do anything kinda threw me and I had no time to look into that :)
[09:10] <diplo> Looks like the sort of thing popey but not sure my company would use an external thing, like free and internal :/
[09:11] <popey> shame, trello is awesome
[09:11] <diplo> davmor2, bootstrap and html5boilerplate make those things easier :)
[09:11] <popey> we use it
[09:11] <diplo> It looks it! I'd use it
[09:11] <diplo> I may just use it with the girl and me :)
[09:11] <diplo> And not tell them
[09:18] <davmor2> trello ftw \o/
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Single Tasking Day! :-D
[09:52] <knightwise> JamesTait: sorry , i didn't catch that . too many windows open
[09:53] <JamesTait> Since the weather has decided it's going to be one of *those* days today, I've decided not to try and keep up with it, and just dry the washing inside instead.
[09:53] <JamesTait> That means I can focus on my work. Single tasking ftw!
[10:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:44]  * davmor2 todays single task is breaking anything JamesTait has written.....Task completed man what a short day that was
[11:01] <JamesTait> Like I need your help to break anything I've written, davmor2. ;)
[11:12] <davmor2> JamesTait: :D
[11:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're hello world scripts suck, 1: it says hello world and exits, surely as you exit you say goodbye. 2: My name isn't world, nor am I a world, so that is completely inappropriate. 3: So Goodbye person would be closer :D
[11:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: to be fair when I looked at your code and it started running I knew there might be an issue. I mean literally running I took ages for me to catch it, I needed to get in shape anyway :)
[11:27] <JamesTait> It has a life of its own.
[12:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:01] <bashrc> tzag
[12:03] <davmor2> cz<tab>: how do
[12:03] <czajkowski> good thanks
[12:03] <czajkowski> working here with popey and Dominic
[12:03] <czajkowski> had yummy fresh scrambled eggs
[12:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: breaking up Easter Eggs and swapping bits with other peoples is not the same as scrambled you know that right ;)
[12:11] <czajkowski> davmor2: well you don't say
[12:11] <czajkowski> fancy that :p
[12:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: :D
[12:15] <awilkins> Egg muffins! Poached egg, toasted muffin, slice of prosciutto, blob of salsa.
[12:16] <czajkowski> go outside lift hens, pick up eggs and scramble
[12:16] <czajkowski> yummy
[16:10] <diddledan> bit of geekiness for ya'll: * esmo (~esther@2001:67c:1560:a003:9103:7fab:aa7a:7dc4) has joined
[16:10] <diddledan> * ahayzen__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[16:11] <diddledan> err
[16:11] <diddledan> silly
[16:11] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Az7Rez3Rk
[16:11] <diddledan> better
[16:11] <ahayzen__> o/
[16:11] <diddledan> n0rty hexchat filling my clipboard when I accidentally select random text
[16:11] <shauno> oh good.  I don't get anywhere near enough geekiness around here :p
[16:12] <diddledan> lol
[16:13] <zmoylan-pi> so i was looking at old pdas on amazon today... i miss proper pdas... :-)
[16:13] <shauno> I have a bucket full I could probably send you :p
[16:13] <shauno> (okay, not that bad, but I do have 3 or 4 tungstens in a shoebox)
[16:14] <shauno> (protip: you don't miss them.  you're wearing rose-tinted glasses)
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> i have a tungsten e still here but it was never 100%
[16:14] <diddledan> needs more electricity?
[16:14] <awilkins> I'd love the design ethos of PalmOS on modern hardware
[16:14] <diddledan> I usually keep my devices at 100%
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> i mean the psions, the palm iiix, the visor neo
[16:14] <awilkins> PalmIII
[16:15] <zmoylan-pi> the tungsten e was shipped with wonky speaker and broken todo button. shipped it back and it was repaired but was still iffy afterwards
[16:15] <diddledan> toto?
[16:15] <diddledan> isn't he a dog?
[16:15] <zmoylan-pi> todo, button to the right of up down rocker
[16:17] <awilkins> Palm buttons ... erm, calendar, todo list, phone book and something else?
[16:17] <zmoylan-pi> memopad
[16:18] <awilkins> Thought so
[16:18] <zmoylan-pi> i used memopad most
[16:35] <diddledan> teehee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6vLp07ZePY#t=430
[16:35] <diddledan> poor david
[16:59] <mapps> damn its so sunny here
[16:59] <mapps> migh get a tan
[16:59] <mapps> heh
[21:23] <daftykins> aaah, very interesting to read that the next intel CPUs, codenamed skylake... ditch VGA at long last \o/
[21:24] <diddledan> daftykins, ?
[21:24] <diddledan> as in no more intel graphics at all?
[21:24] <daftykins> nah they're just ditching VGA ports
[21:24] <daftykins> so it'll be all digital here-on out
[21:27] <shauno> completely unrelated, yet shares 25% of those words ..
[21:27] <shauno> is there a sensible way to get vga into a machine these days?
[21:27] <daftykins> into :O
[21:28] <shauno> yes
[21:28] <daftykins> so, for capture?
[21:28] <shauno> that sounds like a much more sensible word, yes :)
[21:28] <daftykins> i've gotten very confused over what if any support for video in there is on modern cards
[21:28] <daftykins> so no ideas here i'm afraid
[21:29] <shauno> I want an imac, but if it's going to replace my existing monitor, I want to be able to display my amiga on it
[21:30] <shauno> which I think should be possible, but people just look at me funny
[21:31] <grebulus> popey ping
[21:32] <daftykins> shauno: super fancy 5K modern type? i'd bet they're riddled with digital ports only
[21:32] <grebulus> Just wondering where the compatibilty list for phones was on the wiki, that showed how far along progress was on phones' features ?
[21:32] <grebulus> .... well it used to be there .
[21:33] <shauno> I dunno about 5k.  the regular ones take display-port in at least, the 5k doesn't
[21:34] <grebulus> Anyone, The Ubuntu Touch Compatability List is located ...... ?
[21:36] <shauno> there appears to be an #ubuntu-touch  they may know better
[21:36] <grebulus> crumbs, shouldn't be this hard.
[21:42] <daftykins> i believe all the touch talk is quiet on freenode, so finding things out won't be easy for you no
[21:42] <daftykins> shauno: hmm so some kinda active box to take in the VGA and spit it out into DP might be the plan
[21:43] <shauno> well, I took a list on the logs host to see if it existed, and judging by the size of their logs, the touch channel is several times busier than this one
[21:43] <daftykins> :D
[21:44] <daftykins> must be all the #ubuntu people that are forwarded there telling porkies then
[21:44] <daftykins> or maybe it's just the odd hours we keep
[21:45] <diddledan> odd hours? how very dare you!
[21:45] <diddledan> morning, btw
[21:45] <daftykins> \o/
[21:45] <shauno> or simply expectations.  I can imagine going from the main channel where the room flies by a mile a minute, to one where you have to ask and wait
[21:45] <diddledan> shauno, we have to wait, now?
[21:45]  * diddledan waits
[21:46]  * diddledan waits
[21:46]  * diddledan waits
[21:46] <diddledan> :-p
[21:47] <daftykins> did i tease you all with the birthday cake i had on Saturday?
[21:47] <diddledan> apparently reddit thinks "that lesbian jewish leftists were taking over control of the site"
[21:47] <daftykins> so many layers! https://www.dropbox.com/s/6wfui9s5ufehwh8/IMG_20150221_213750.jpg?dl=0
[21:47] <diddledan> daftykins, :-o
[21:47] <diddledan> wow
[21:47] <diddledan> I want
[21:47] <diddledan> no, I need
[21:48] <diddledan> lots of icing too by the looks
[21:48] <grebulus_> How do I add fire to a bug ?
[21:48] <diddledan> grebulus_, matches?
[21:48] <diddledan> grebulus_, or a well-focused lens?
[21:48] <grebulus_> maturity , please . I'm not in the mood.
[21:49] <daftykins> bad move in here, then
[21:49] <daftykins> a Touch bug?
[21:49] <diddledan> specially when I'm awake
[21:49] <diddledan> :-p
[21:49] <grebulus_> How do I add fire to a bug ?
[21:49] <diddledan> I don't even know what adding "fire" means
[21:49] <daftykins> grebulus_: you need to rewrite your question when you repeat it, since it wasn't clear the first time
[21:49] <diddledan> I'm assuming it means setting alight a critter
[21:49] <daftykins> otherwise the definition of insanity applies
[21:49] <grebulus_> Alright, 'heat' , then.
[21:50] <diddledan> that doesn't help
[21:50] <shauno> if you're on launchpad, click on the 'flame' icon and it'll explain what it means and how its calculated
[21:50] <diddledan> oooooohhhhhh
[21:50] <diddledan> *penny.. drops*
[21:50] <grebulus_> I've done that, but how do I increase the 'heats' number ?
[21:50] <diddledan> click the flame and it'll tell you what needs to happen to increase
[21:51] <grebulus_> k , hangon ..
[21:51] <diddledan> e.g. new subscribers
[21:52] <shauno> yeah, it seems quite difficult to "turn up the heat" yourself.  affecting more people seems to be the most obvious, and you're only one person
[21:52] <diddledan> I'm not. I'm three people!
[21:53] <diddledan> I'm the holy trinity
[21:53] <diddledan> (does that count as blasphemy?)
[21:53] <shauno> cheese, tomato and pepperoni?
[21:53] <diddledan> bingo
[21:53] <daftykins> :D
[21:53] <diddledan> ham and pineapple is a good combo, too
[21:53] <grebulus_> still dont get it .. just says how it is calculating the scores - nothing 'bout how to increase the 'heat'.
[21:54] <diddledan> grebulus_, increasing the heat requires satisfying those conditions
[21:54] <diddledan> jee, the deductive logic is waning here
[21:54] <shauno> eh, don't be mean, it's late
[21:55] <diddledan> sorry, I forget where I am at times
[21:55] <shauno> <3 curtains
[21:55] <daftykins> what did curtains do this evening?
[21:55] <shauno> they keep amazingstoke outside, allowing you to forget where you are
[21:55] <grebulus_> Ahh , done it .. apparently I'm an 'affected user' ... AFX , used to play that flight sim :)
[21:56]  * grebulus_ is almost smug.
[21:56] <daftykins> shauno: :D
[21:56] <shauno> that's the idea.  subscribing to it, and marking that you're also affected, will bump it.  but only a smidge.  it's meant to guage how 'hot' it is overall, not just to you
[21:56] <daftykins> so your bug is playing a flight sim on a phone?
[21:56] <diddledan> I'm failing to see the connection there
[21:57] <diddledan> affected user.. used to play a random flight sim.. eh?
[21:57] <grebulus_> diddledan: Ay-eff-ex .. sounds like affected .
[21:58] <daftykins> grebulus_: you're not a rock dweller, are you?
[21:58] <diddledan> oic
[21:58] <daftykins> (Guern)
[21:58] <grebulus_> rock dweller ?
[21:58] <daftykins> Donkey, crapaud, channel islander...
[21:58] <shauno> see, that's funny because where I'm from, gurning is turning your face inside out as a competitive sport :)
[21:58] <daftykins> :D
[21:58] <grebulus_> Why are peple so concerned about who is talking | Opposed to what is actually being said ?
[21:59] <diddledan> shauno, yeah that's where I was going
[21:59] <daftykins> grebulus_: maybe you should dial back the strange paranoia. i am from Guernsey and so would find it interesting if another were around.
[21:59] <grebulus_> it's completely irrelevant, and you'll never benefit from my IP address , so don't bother.
[21:59] <daftykins> *sigh*
[21:59] <diddledan> daftykins, but paranoia is so random
[21:59] <daftykins> what the hell is wrong with you man? you think we're out to get you?
[22:00] <daftykins> jesus, some people
[22:00] <diddledan> daftykins, <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:00] <diddledan> (if my memory serves)
[22:00] <diddledan> wow I got it right first time
[22:01] <grebulus_> All I came on here was to ask for a table of the Touch compatability list progress .. sigh.
[22:01] <diddledan> yeah, we really aren't out to get you
[22:01] <daftykins> yep then i tried to make conversation, i know not to bother trying in future :)
[22:02] <diddledan> hint, I'm a hermit
[22:02] <grebulus_> I enjoy a meta discussion, though.
[22:02] <diddledan> <-- looks like gollum
[22:02] <diddledan> I haven't seen sunlight in weeks
[22:03] <diddledan> so my chances of hunting someone down, successfully, are slim-to-none
[22:03] <shauno> okay.  gollum with a ginger beard.  I need eyewash now
[22:03] <diddledan> :-p
[22:04] <grebulus_> for example, For those who regularly dial in humblebundle: What success have you had with all those games on Ubuntu as a percentage ?
[22:04] <daftykins> diddledan: depends if you mean for food, sport or breeding i guess
[22:04] <diddledan> I've run out of storage spaces :-()
[22:04] <shauno> reminds me, have you ever tried a flightsim on a laptop?  I'm trying to figure out how to concrete-fill my joystick :/
[22:05] <daftykins> extra sticky blu-tack
[22:05] <diddledan> no more nails
[22:05] <diddledan> sticks anything to anything
[22:05] <daftykins> permanently.
[22:06] <grebulus_> ...
[22:06] <shauno> yeah.  I don't actually want to superglue my stick to my laptop
[22:06] <daftykins> shame, i was looking forward to pics
[22:07] <shauno> oh
[22:07] <shauno> http://cl.ly/image/3H45252W2D2o3w1H2y0D
[22:07] <diddledan> err
[22:07] <daftykins> but to answer the request from the one too paranoid to share their whereabouts: 1) don't run desktop ubuntu 2) only once sprung for a humble bundle 3) wouldn't try to play under Linux
[22:08] <grebulus_> k, fair well put points, there.
[22:08] <daftykins> shauno: wow is that a wild shauno snap? i like the look of the thing that seems like an optical media trebuchet on the right 8D
[22:09] <diddledan> daftykins, how dare you suggest we not run ubuntu on desktop!
[22:09] <daftykins> i feel you could launch ubuntu DVDs at people with that
[22:09] <shauno> lol
[22:09] <grebulus_> must be a drone hideout.
[22:09] <shauno> on the right is a throttle thingie
[22:09] <daftykins> :D
[22:09] <daftykins> aww i'm disappointed now
[22:10] <diddledan> optical media trbuchet sounds awesome!
[22:10] <shauno> but my problem is, the stick itself moves too easily.  which is a bit eek when you balance your precious on top
[22:10] <diddledan> trebuchet*
[22:10] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I... would love to see people just throwing ubuntu dvd's at people
[22:10] <grebulus_> HI ChloeWolfieGirl !
[22:10] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Hey grebulus
[22:10] <diddledan> shauno, don't be silly, if you balance me on top I'd crush your steering thingy
[22:10] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Hey grebulus_
[22:10] <grebulus_> .. got a few flying round, me does.
[22:11] <diddledan> wait, I'm not your precious anymore?
[22:11] <shauno> you never were.  we just tell your mom that to keep conversation interesting
[22:11]  * diddledan pouts
[22:11] <grebulus_> just needs an oculus rift.
[22:12] <intrbiz> not sure what health and safety would have to say about just throwing dvds around, that could cause an injury
[22:12] <grebulus_> Aren't samsung or sony bringing out a £800 version of that this year ?
[22:12] <diddledan> intrbiz, what about pre-sharpening the edges?
[22:13] <daftykins> both samsung *and* sony have competing products
[22:13] <diddledan> there's an oculus samsung that you put a galaxy note into
[22:13] <shauno> isn't the rift owned by fb now?  that's a difficult choice.  which is the least evil?
[22:13] <diddledan> oculus note?
[22:13] <intrbiz> diddledan: becareful someone in the hse might collapse if you say things like that
[22:13] <grebulus_> those things are the only reason Blu-ray will sell more blank discs 'cos it takes ages to download content.
[22:14] <daftykins> i dunno i did 6GB in 30 mins the other night, the times they are a-changin'
[22:14] <diddledan> methinks bluray is pretty nearly dead these days
[22:14] <intrbiz> you can make a spectrometer using the difraction grating extracted by peeling a dvd in half
[22:14] <shauno> oh boy.  my boss was asking me what ISP I use, beause he gets absolutely fleeced
[22:15] <shauno> it turns out that he lives so far outta town that his only option is "mobile broadband"
[22:15] <daftykins> lolz
[22:15] <daftykins> i'd rather move than put up with that
[22:15] <diddledan> o..m..g..
[22:15] <diddledan> that really is bad
[22:15] <grebulus_> just waiting for google hangouts to get more interesting with them ;-)
[22:15] <shauno> it is.  he pays 2/3rds of what I do, and has a 15GB cap
[22:16] <diddledan> yeah, mobile datacaps are evil
[22:16] <shauno> and I get a "stern letter" from my isp if I go past 2TB/mo
[22:17] <diddledan> my sabnzbd has a record of 1.1TB in the past two weeks
[22:17] <grebulus_> just think: you'll have to have a digital mask of your own face - bizare.
[22:17] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I'm annoyed that I can only have 500 minuets at top from giffgaff, I'm a teenager, like 500 minuets is gonna last 2 days xD
[22:17] <shauno> I wonder if I still have the last one.  they're funny letters.  no threats, no demands, no charges, no caps.  they just remind me that it might be polite to leave some for everyone else
[22:18] <daftykins> you could make it last 2 days by communicating via more appropriate mediums instead \o/
[22:18] <daftykins> such as, smoke signals
[22:18] <shauno> do people still use minutes?  I thought it was all thumbs now
[22:19] <ChloeWolfieGirl> daftykins If smoke signals could work between manchester and london that'd be where I'm at xD
[22:19] <diddledan> aye, internet ftw
[22:19] <daftykins> i guess you could youtube the smoke signals
[22:19] <shauno> hm.  that would be pretty slow.  you could set manchester on fire, and it'd take 8 years for london to notice
[22:19] <diddledan> I don't care about minutes or texts on my mobile because I do everything via interweb
[22:20] <diddledan> shauno, we need a beacon system like when the spanish conquered us
[22:20] <daftykins> still need to pop along and adjust my monthly rate soon
[22:20] <daftykins> before month end ideally
[22:20] <intrbiz> it would be nice to get FTTC hear, but at the rate BT keep delaying the due date, its anyones guess
[22:20] <diddledan> there's a "beacon hill" right near here
[22:20] <shauno> I'm waitin until they'll buy me a new phone.  they keep calling me and trying to put me on a new contract
[22:21] <shauno> sure, I'll move to a new 2-year contract with nothing in return.  that sounds spiffy!
[22:21] <diddledan> that's an excellent idea
[22:22] <diddledan> I wonder why nobody tried it before?
[22:24] <daftykins> he died again ;_;
[22:24] <diddledan> ok, so owners dying, connections being reset by peers. IRC really is a dangerous place
[22:25] <daftykins> sure is
[22:26] <shauno> I suspect I'll just get my next phone directly from apple and avoid the whole locking thing.  messy.
[22:26] <daftykins> apple phones :( you shock me, sir
[22:27] <shauno> I know
[22:27] <shauno> but they have one feature going for them that I haven't found on android yet
[22:27] <daftykins> wallet emptying?
[22:27] <diddledan> shauno, only one button?
[22:27] <shauno> they work.
[22:28] <shauno> I mean, you don't have to invalidate your warranty to get basic functionality.  that kinda jazz
[22:28] <daftykins> hrmm, what like?
[22:29] <shauno> I think a slovak keyboard was the one that was really annoying
[22:29] <daftykins> you require a slovakian keyboard 0o
[22:30] <shauno> quite often, sadly
[22:30] <shauno> but most of this was things I ran into shopping for a phone for someone else
[22:30] <shauno> and realising how much I take for granted, not being given half an OS and sent out into the wilds to find the other half
[22:31] <daftykins> heh
[22:31] <daftykins> i feel like finding the other keyboard would've just been buried in the settings, surely
[22:32] <shauno> you'd think
[22:35] <daftykins> decided to have a glance at Lollipop here on my Nexus 4
[22:35] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3staei9l9jag71x/Screenshot_2015-02-24-22-33-48.png?dl=0
[22:35] <daftykins> nope, close but no cigar...
[22:35] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ufqkmbfepqzghaz/Screenshot_2015-02-24-22-34-15.png?dl=0
[22:35] <daftykins> huzzah!
[22:36] <daftykins> well, maybe - don't really know if that's just display language
[22:36] <shauno> and that's the image that came with the phone?
[22:36] <daftykins> nah, many updates later
[22:38] <shauno> we were finding stuff like http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2281254
[22:39] <daftykins> oh nasty
[22:39] <daftykins> i guess it's evil companies, then
[22:39] <daftykins> given mines a Nexus i'm kinda cheating
[22:40] <shauno> hilariously, even if we walked into phone stores in slovakia we were still finding phones that only did english/german/french/spanish
[22:41] <daftykins> ;/
[22:41] <daftykins> i think my Greek friend said that they basically adapted all chat to the english alphabet
[22:42] <shauno> right
[22:42] <shauno> or root your phone, and find humour in the fact that only people who have routed theirs can reply back in the same language
[22:43] <shauno> or, yeah, buy a nexus, which seem to be some of the only ones that ship with the whole OS
[22:44] <intrbiz> looks like the Samsung S4 has the Slovencina keyboard
[22:47] <daftykins> shauno: oh and you technically can't buy over here, because islanders aren't permitted
[22:47]  * daftykins makes a rude gesture toward Google
[22:49] <shauno> yeah, ireland's similar.  they'll sell us the nexus5 but not 6
[22:50] <daftykins> i get - Sorry! Devices on Google Play is not available in your country yet.
[22:50] <daftykins> We're working to bring devices to more countries as quickly as possible.
[22:50] <daftykins> Please check back again soon.
[22:50] <daftykins> translation: we refuse to deal with a country that we actually have to give tax back to
[22:50] <shauno> I'm surprised they sell any here
[22:51] <shauno> apparently there's some tax nonsense behind apple not having any physical stores here  lol
[22:51] <daftykins> sounds about right :D
[22:52] <m0nkey_> wait. don't apple assemble i<stuff> in Ireland?
[22:52] <daftykins> i... doubt it?
[22:52]  * daftykins points at China
[22:52] <diddledan> don't apple run their whole european stuff from ireland?
[22:52] <shauno> they do have assembly here, and their em .. emiea? headquarters
[22:53] <m0nkey_> Last time I bought a MBP in the UK, it said "Assembled in Ireland"
[22:53] <m0nkey_> I remember it, because I thought it was odd.
[22:53] <daftykins> oh really 0o
[22:53] <m0nkey_> Maybe it wasn't a MBP, think it was my old G5 iMac
[22:53] <shauno> weird.  I've bought 2 mbp here, and they were both made in china  lol
[22:54] <shauno> but I know they make the new imacs & mac pros here & in the US
[22:54] <intrbiz> quite a few tech companies seem to be in Ireland, mainly for tax reasons
[22:54] <daftykins> G5 hehe, quite some time ago then
[22:54] <shauno> because they don't want china to get their hands on their "stir welding" stuff
[22:54] <m0nkey_> yup.. https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ireland.jpg?w=704&h=209
[22:55] <m0nkey_> I'm guess Éire still has a large number of iSheeple?
[22:56] <daftykins> XD
[22:58] <shauno> it's mixed.  their tax junta isn't overly popular
[22:58] <shauno> but the fact they're sticking a new datacenter a few miles down the road seems to have gone down well
[22:59] <shauno> especially since it's already been announced the tax loophole is being phased out.  it's quite nice to see them still investing after that news
[23:02] <diddledan> what exactly is the loophole?
[23:02] <diddledan> is there a wikipage?
[23:02] <shauno> there is!
[23:03] <shauno> google "double dutch irish sandwich"
[23:03] <shauno> :)
[23:04] <daftykins> crikey
[23:04] <shauno> I know.  isn't that just a fantastic collection of words
[23:04] <daftykins> https://goo.gl/maps/Aro7n
[23:05] <daftykins> there's my route planned for the morrow ;)
[23:05] <intrbiz> IRRC the Irish Govt offered local tax breaks for the large tech companies setting up years back
[23:31] <diddledan> ick been chilly
[23:31] <diddledan> that's german, right?
[23:32]  * diddledan wanders off to find a wooly
[23:34] <intrbiz> ich bin kalt
[23:34] <diddledan> .
[23:35] <diddledan> sorry, rogue keypress
[23:36] <intrbiz> however Mir ist kalt would be more correct
[23:39] <diddledan> I like my version :-p
[23:39] <intrbiz> :)
[23:42] <intrbiz> diddledan: I only know that phrase for listening to Rammstein now and then
[23:42] <diddledan> teehee


[23:22] <ActionParsnip> StepNjump: you can use nautilus to share folders (or use /etc/samba/smb.conf)
[23:22] <critical_max> StepNjump, Right click a folder in Nautilus, "Sharing Option"
[23:22] <merryman540> terry_ok thanks
[23:22] <terry_> ActionParsnip: It is merryman540 that has broken-ness in 10.04
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> terry_: I see
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> fabio333: tried ff4, hated it then reinstalled chromium daily and all is well :)
[23:23] <fabio333> ActionParsnip: have a look to about:flags in chrome
[23:23] <terry_> ActionParsnip: What was wrong with ff4?
[23:23] <dfh> purpzey, sudo fsck.ext3 /dev/sda2 or similar?
[23:23] <_pg_> has anyone gotten unity working in vmware fusion?
[23:24] <purpzey> dfh: sudo fsck /dev/sdb
[23:24] <red2kic> terry_: It's a whale.
[23:24] <merryman540> zvacet ok thanks.
[23:24] <terry_> red2kic: I just installed it on the YL's PC and so far, seems ok... but I dono yet, didn't use it much.
[23:24] <Mikeey> Anyone can advice user friend distros to get started out with linux?
[23:24] <critical_max> I actually have an FF4 problem. Ctrl+Space doesn't do Panorama. Guessing Gnome has that keybind tied up.
[23:24] <merryman540> bazhang ok thanks
[23:25] <terry_> Mikeey: Ubuntu
[23:25] <merryman540> ubottu ok thanks.
[23:25] <Mikeey> okay cheers.
[23:25] <critical_max> Mikeey: Ubuntu is easy to start out with.
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> terry_: ram use and i love the prefetch dns in chromium, just my view. I use arora a lot too
[23:25] <red2kic> terry_: YL? Have you tried Chromium?
[23:25] <dfh> purpzey, I don't think you have the filesystem directly on sdb but more likely on sdb1, check dmesg|grep sdb
[23:25] <fabio333> what is panorama=
[23:25] <fabio333> ?
[23:26] <critical_max> fabio333, it's the Expose-like feature for tabs
[23:26] <terry_> red2kic: ActionParsnip I tried Chrome earlier on, but what is prefetch dns?
[23:26] <terry_> and what is arora?
[23:26] <fabio333> how enable it?
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> !info arora | terry_
[23:27] <toxic> hello, I've just bought aserver for home use, I'd like to know : is it possible/recomended for ubuntu to run on a mdadm raid1 ? Server is realy oversized so CPU is no issu here.
[23:27] <fabio333> flash 10.3 wont crash with ff4...
[23:27] <red2kic> terry_: An attempt to resolve domain names before a user tries to follow a link
[23:27] <zvacet> terry_ : browser too
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> terry_: if you think firefox, chrome and IE are the only browsers you are mistaken ;)
[23:27] <ebbe> bazhang: Will do, thanks.
[23:27] <purpzey> dfh: It looks like it is sdb...there is a an [sbd] tag on the largest size block
[23:27] <terry_> ActionParsnip: Oh I know that.  I use lynx every day.
[23:28] <fabio333> use midori for the best user experience
[23:28] <terry_> ActionParsnip: And I use konqueror some too.
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> terry_: most users use firefox out of habit but if you try a few of the others you may find you like them too
[23:28] <critical_max> terry_, :O
[23:28] <critical_max> terry_, real men browse with telnet
[23:28] <dfh> purpzey, post output of sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> critical_max: real men browse with wget then manually decipher and interpret the html code in their brains
[23:29] <purpzey> dfh: K...will be a sec, need to get it on the internets...
[23:29] <fabio333> so panorama with ff4 = ctrl+shift+E
[23:29] <red2kic> !info tidyhtml
[23:29] <critical_max> ActionParsnip, hehe. terry_ are you using actual "lynx" or "elinks"? elinks is a lot slicker
[23:30] <red2kic> !info tidy
[23:30] <dmkryl> i can't mount a ntfs partition
[23:30] <terry_> ActionParsnip: I use konqueror to transfer large piles of files from one pc to another via the split-window option, (drag and drop), (#1PC has FTP server)
[23:31] <dewey42> !ping
[23:32] <ff4isthere> Hi. Firefox 4 is released. How can I update my Firefox 3 in Ubuntu 10.10?
[23:32] <Pici> !ff4 | ff4isthere
[23:32] <ff4isthere> Pici: thank you.
[23:33] <lubosz> hi. where do i get 32bit gstreamer-plugins from? wine needs it. there is no lib32gstreamer-plugins
[23:33] <critical_max> lubosz, perhaps gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse
[23:34] <purpzey> dfh: I apologize...you were right...it was sdb1 I am running the fsck now...
[23:34] <critical_max> lubosz, you can search by keywords with "apt-cache search gstreamer | grep plugins" etc
[23:34] <dfh> purpzey, np
[23:34] <lubosz> critical_max: yes i need them in 32bit on a 64bit system
[23:34] <rigel> hi, i'm running lucid and want to update apache ant from the standard 1.7.1 package to the 1.8 line, but i dont know hwo to do that without uninstalling eclips
[23:34] <lubosz> critical_max: like in ia32-libs
[23:34] <rigel> is there a way to do that, or should i just trust that all my settings are going to be retained
[23:34] <ff4isthere> Pici: this will install Firefox 4 near to Firefox 3, or it will _update_ Firefox installation (what is what I want to do)?
[23:35] <ks07> Hey guys, my server was starting up and its now stopped just after mounting filesystem with only a "<"
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> !ppa | rigel
[23:35] <duhamelski> i need a create a python wrapper a java engine which might generate reports up to 10k pages long.  i'm can't exactly pass a 10k page report through a socket, so i need a way to use python to reference dynamically created java
[23:35] <duhamelski> any thoughts?
[23:35] <critical_max> lubosz, there is also gstreamer0.10-plugins-good. try those and see what happens
[23:35] <rigel> ActionParsnip: how does that help me?
[23:35] <terry_> ActionParsnip: I'll try cromium. Installing now...
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> rigel: you can find a 3rd party ppa with the version of the app you desire. the link gives a search
[23:36] <critical_max> lubosz, i'm not running 64bit so you should search with apt-cache and see if there is a more appropriate package for your need. those are the 32bit packages on my system.
[23:36] <Sentynel> hi guys, anybody know if there are issues building the (official) nvidia driver modules with the gold linker? I'm getting some odd issues with X not starting newer kernel versions and I was wondering if it might have started when I switched to gold
[23:36] <lubosz> critical_max: i have gstreamer0.10-plugins-good installed. but it is in /usr/lib per default. i need a 32bit packe that installs in /usr/lib32
[23:36] <rigel> ActionParsnip: there is an ant1.8 package in the main repos
[23:36] <rigel> but if i uninstall the ant metapackage, it installs all the dependencies etc
[23:36] <lubosz> critical_max: ok then you don't know the pain with wine on 64 bit :)
[23:37] <rigel> maybe its not a metapackage, whatever
[23:37] <rigel> but eclipse is dependent on it
[23:37] <critical_max> lubosz, yeah I haven't had to deal with that, but I get what you're saying. Try searching with apt-cache
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> lubosz: never had an issue personally, it just did what it needed to do
[23:37] <critical_max> lubosz, I don't have any 32-bit packages offered since mine are all 32bit ;)
[23:37] <Pici> ff4isthere: it will replace your old install with the new one
[23:38] <helpme101> hi everyone, does anyone know how to get hdmi output on a sony laptop with latest nvidia drivers? i dont see anywhere in the nvidia settings for hdmi, when i plug the hdmi cord in it just searches for a signal..
[23:38] <critical_max> helpme101, make sure the source button on your monitor is set to hdmi, not vga/dvi
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> helpme101: try clicking the 'detect displays' button a few times
[23:39] <helpme101> critical_max, im on a laptop what do you mean by source button? lol
[23:39] <critical_max> on your monitor
[23:40] <critical_max> or tv or whatever.
[23:40] <helpme101> yeah but im on a laptop lol, it works fine in windows..
[23:40] <critical_max> helpme101, the button on the HDMI monitor
[23:41] <helpme101> yeah, it just says searching for signal on my tv.. works fine on windows7 but i want to get rid of windows.. ;p
[23:41] <ebbe> bazhang: it looks like I already have the latest driver (STA) installed correctly.
[23:42] <critical_max> helpme101, System > Preferences > Monitors is the control panel. it should be showing both displays there. On your TV, you need to make sure it's searching for HDMI,  not for some other input. That's what I mean by the "button" (my monitor for example  has a button that cycles through vga/hdmi/dvi and it gets lost sometimes when my Ubuntu machine is sleeping)
[23:42] <jrib> I ran updates today for ubuntu 10.10  and lost Windows XP from my grub menu.  « sudo update-grub2 » does not add windows xp to /boot/grub/grub.cfg .  How should I proceed?
[23:42] <aperson> can someone shed some light on how to install the latest java 1.7 on ubuntu 10.10 x64?  http://download.java.net/jdk7/ there's no installer, just a snapshot
[23:42] <critical_max> helpme101, your TV might have lost track of the fact that it was taking input from  HDMI. Just the equivalent of "not plugged in". something to rule out before we look at the software side.
[23:43] <vadal> how do I install the Logitech dual action controller, I am using 10.10 Ubuntu, but this tutorial doesn't work http://linuxgamingtoday.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/install-and-use-usb-based-gamepads-in-ubuntu/
[23:43] <critical_max> !info sun-java6-jdk
[23:43] <helpme101> critical_max, im on fluxbox.. i'll go into gnome, and give it a shot.. and i'll be back if it doesnt work, thanks for the help :) :)
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> vadal: http://www.toastboy.com/main/logitech-dual-action-ubuntu-710/
[23:44] <critical_max> helpme101, sure thing. good luck
[23:44] <nmaxchat> hello... I recently moved to Ubuntu from M$. Can someone please tell me what I can safely remove with Klean Sweep
[23:44] <aperson> critical_max↳ I want 1.7
[23:44] <nmaxchat> Or if there is a better utility
[23:44] <zvacet> jrib : try to reinstall grub from live cd
[23:44] <zvacet> !grub2 | jrib
[23:44] <jrib> zvacet: I have grub installed, I can boot ubuntu with it and my debian install
[23:44] <vadal> ActionParsnip: jscalibrator doesn't exist
[23:44] <dfh> aperson, have you dled the tar file, is there no README?
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> nmaxchat: bleachbit is pretty friendly and very good. Avoid steps which say they will take a long time and watch the browser settings. Also close as many apps as possible so the files are unlocked
[23:45] <critical_max> aperson, googling for "java 1.7 jdk linux" returned this page download.java.net/jdk7/binaries/ which has tarballs.
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> vadal: grab it from playdeb, and it does
[23:45] <aperson> critical_max↳ but those aren't the latest
[23:45] <aperson> dfh↳ there is, but it doesn't go over installing it
[23:45] <zvacet> jrib: sudo update-grub maybe
[23:45] <critical_max> aperson, I don't know where to find newer than what Sun distributes. Sorry.
[23:45] <vadal> ActionParsnip: how? i'm not sure what you mean
[23:45] <aperson> critical_max↳ what I linked *is* what sun distributes
[23:45] <nmaxchat> ActionParsnip, I'll try that thanks
[23:46] <rypervenche> I just changed my default language on my Ubuntu 10.10 and my home folder's folders changed names. What would be the best way to transfer all of my files from each one to the new folder? Doing mv ~/Oldfolder/* /Newone/ does not move the hidden files and folders that I have.
[23:46] <dfh> aperson, can't you install the binaries by hand?
[23:46] <critical_max> aperson, it's not an installer, you  just untar it and set up your env vars by hand
[23:46] <aperson> dfh↳ there are no binaries
[23:46] <dewey42> could NILFS be used in production environment?  maybe I'm talking ot?
[23:46] <aperson> critical_max↳ yes! I'm trying to install it, now you're catching on
[23:46] <critical_max> aperson, JAVA_HOME etc go in your .bash_profile. Been there done that.
[23:46] <dfh> aperson, are you sure? "Java™ Platform, Standard Edition 7 Binary Snapshot Releases"
[23:46] <jrib> zvacet: no change
[23:46] <aperson> dfh↳ see: what I linked
[23:46] <askreet> nmaxchat, klean sweep is designed to find files which are safe to remove... do you have a question about a particular file?
[23:47] <aperson> dfh↳ the binary snapshots are a release behind
[23:47] <jrib> zvacet: os-prober doesn't seem to find the windows install after updates :(
[23:47] <daerda> Hi there. I'm trying to serve up content from XAMPP webserver, and have successfully configured dyndns (my router can receieve from the dyndns address and forward to my LAN IP). However, the page does not ever render, not even a Page not found or Host not found. It just loads. Might this have something to do with /etc/hosts.allow? or firewall configuration?
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> wget http://archive.getdeb.net/install_deb/playdeb_0.3-1~getdeb1_all.deb; sudo dpkg -i ./playdeb_0.3-1~getdeb1_all.deb; rm ./playdeb_0.3-1~getdeb1_all.deb; sudo apt-get update    then you may find it is available
[23:47] <critical_max> aperson, for sanity's sake, /opt  is a good place to install the tarball releases
[23:47] <aperson> critical_max↳ I was more trying to get it in /usr/lib/jvm and select it with update-alternatives
[23:48] <jrib> daerda: why are you using xampp instead of the packages for a lamp stack in ubuntu's repositories?
[23:48] <askreet> daerda, it could have anything to do with any of those things.  can you hit the page locally, first of all?
[23:48] <zvacet> jrib: that is why I suggested reinstall grub that way it should pick all os you have installed
[23:48] <jrib> zvacet: but I have grub
[23:48] <nmaxchat> askreet, No. Its just that there were so many empty files, broken menus etc/
[23:48] <critical_max> aperson, don't put it in /usr/lib, only system should touch that properly speaking. you should be able to update-alternatives to an /opt location right?
[23:48] <purpzey> dfh: fsck to the rescue...ty for the help!
[23:48] <daerda> askreet: yes I can access it locally
[23:48] <daerda> (http://localhost)
[23:48] <zvacet> jrib: but you need to add windows to it
[23:48] <aperson> critical_max↳ I just need to know where to put what links for update-alternatives to pick it up
[23:48] <jrib> zvacet: yes :)
[23:48] <askreet> nmaxchat, if you want, throw the file list on pastebin and we can take a look?
[23:48] <askreet> daerda, do you have another pc on your local network?
[23:48] <aperson> critical_max↳ I can move it to where-ever
[23:49] <daerda> jrib: because I am working in a group project and we are all using XAMPP
[23:49] <askreet> and if so, can you hit it from that machine by ip address?
[23:49] <nmaxchat> Lemme figure out how to do that
[23:49] <jrib> daerda: this is not a good reason :(
[23:49] <critical_max> aperson, oooh I hit paydirt: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[23:49] <askreet> jrib: yes it is
[23:49] <daerda> askreet: yes
[23:49] <dfh> aperson, http://www.java.net/download/jdk7/archive/b135/binaries/jre-7-ea-bin-b135-linux-x64-24_mar_2011.tar.gz  it's the latest build and contains binaries in /bin . what am I missing?
[23:49] <critical_max> aperson, it talks on that page about this exact subtopic :)
[23:49] <zvacet> jrib: reinstalling it two min job why don´t youi try it?
[23:49] <askreet> daerda: did you configure port forwarding on your router?
[23:49] <daerda> askreet: yes to both questions
[23:49] <dfh> purpzey, nice to hear that
[23:49] <daerda> askreet: yes I did configure port forwarding
[23:49] <daerda> askreet: port 80 -> my local internal IP
[23:49] <zvacet> jrib:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling from LiveCD
[23:49] <critical_max> aperson, I assume the directions for update-alternatives/java6 on that page will work for java7
[23:50] <jrib> xampp isn't in ubuntu's repositories, if you have issues with it you should be asking for support from xampp folks...
[23:50] <askreet> daerda, i assume you have some access to a system outside of your network for testing?
[23:50] <jrib> zvacet: ok thank you
[23:50] <rypervenche> I just changed my default language on my Ubuntu 10.10 and my home folder's folders changed names. What would be the best way to transfer all of my files from each one to the new folder? Doing mv ~/Oldfolder/* /Newone/ does not move the hidden files and folders that I have.
[23:50] <aperson> critical_max↳ update-alternatives doesn't see my installation of java 7
[23:50] <vadal> ActionParsnip: it say error enountered when i try sudo -i ...
[23:50] <daerda> jrib: it's not a xampp issue.
[23:50] <purpzey> dfh: Can you give me a short version of why that would have happened? just in abstract...
[23:50] <zvacet> jrib: try and see if it works
[23:50] <jrib> daerda: if you say so
[23:50] <critical_max> aperson, here's someone with a tarball using update-alternatives http://remind-nix.blogspot.com/2010/08/debian-setting-up-java-with-update.html
[23:51] <nmaxchat> ActionParsnip, askreet So Which one should I use: Kleansweep or bleach bit and if bleach, there is a root use which ?
[23:51] <daerda> jrib: I wish i'd never mentioned it. I experience the same issue when serving up content with thttpd and python's SimpleWebServer
[23:51] <Guest33390> critical_max, when i go to prefrences,moniotrs, it says "it appears your graphics driver does not support the nessesary extensions to use this tool" so i open up the nvidia settings, and theres nothing in there for hdmi, i unplug it replug it in to see if it does anything but no go
[23:51] <askreet> jrib:  Are you here to help people, or be negative?
[23:51] <aperson> critical_max↳ I'll give that a whirl, thanks
[23:51] <jrib> askreet: I'm here to help people with ubuntu issues
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> nmaxchat: both are fine
[23:51] <JSK> How do I install Firefox 4?
[23:51] <askreet> unless they use an application on Ubuntu that you don't like, or perhaps are not comfortable with.
[23:51] <critical_max> Guest33390, are you on the official Nvidia driver?
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> !ff4 | JSK
[23:51] <StepNjump> Hi guys, I see my windows computer files on the network but from the windows computer, I can't see my Ubuntu files. What exactly do I need to do?
[23:51] <dfh> purpzey, fdisk would look at /dev/sdb which has a mbr "header" instead of a valid ext3 header, instead of properly failing and telling you: "no ext3 FS found on /dev/sdb" it gave you that misleading error code (well that's how I understand it anway)
[23:52] <ebbe> Any other ideas? My wireless connection keeps dropping. You guys have helped me find out that I have a Broadcom BCM4312 chipset.. The connection does not drop from my Windows machine. I have the latest STA driver installed.
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> StepNjump: install samba, then use nautilus to share the folders
[23:52] <askreet> StepNJump: turn off windows firewall?
[23:52] <jrib> askreet: if you want to help him, go ahead.   I'm not stopping you.  But I'm pointing out it's preferable to install lamp from ubuntu's repositories instead of using xampp.  That's all.
[23:52] <purpzey> dfh: Sorry, my fault for being a little unclear, what would cause the file system to fail?
[23:52] <vadal> ActionParsnip: it didn't work, i encountered several errors
[23:52] <gon_> Hello, is this channel ok to ask some basic questions?
[23:52] <StepNjump> thanks actionparsnip
[23:52] <jrib> gon_: yes, go ahead
[23:52] <critical_max> aperson, Sure thing, seems like a common beartrap... "java" was the first autocomplete Google gave for "update-alternatives"
[23:52] <Guest33390> critical_max, not the one from ubuntu sources, i downloaded it from the nvidia site because the one ubuntu provided just gave me a black screen
[23:52] <StepNjump> Do I have to turn off windows firewall in order to see Ubuntu files Askreet?
[23:53] <StepNjump> !samba
[23:53] <JSK> ActionParsnip: thank you. I searched for it on internet and could not find that repository.
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> vadal: did the deb install ok?
[23:53] <JSK> i only found anightlies
[23:53] <gon_> I need to know a command which would display all ip-adress which are connected to a certain router
[23:53] <dfh> purpzey, Oh many reasons, often it's hardware related, bad RAM, bad PSU, bad HDD, system crash, but software bugs could corrupt the FS as well.
[23:53] <Pumpkin-> I have two ubuntu boxes, one server install and one desktop install, and the desktop complains about "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, badsuperblock ..." when I run "mount -a", despite having the same /etc/fstab entries for the NFS mount as the server. I've checked the server (appliance) config, and I can't see anything (or in fact, any packets coming from the desktop). Any ideas ?
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> JSK: both are fine, the nightly will upgrade 3.6.whatever to the nightly build if you arent careful
[23:53] <critical_max> Guest33390, the one from Restricted Hardware Drivers gave you a black screen?
[23:53] <purpzey> dfh: Ok, fair enough..I'll settle for it being fixed...thanks again...take care...
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> JSK: the stable will upgrade the current one, the nightly installs as a seperate app
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> JSK: so both have advantages, depends how you want to play
[23:54] <askreet> daerda, are you familiar with tcpdump?
[23:54] <jrib> daerda: you should clear your browser's cache after making a change on the server
[23:55] <Pumpkin-> Pumpkin-: I'll answer my own question. Installing nfs-common helped. Simple fix, error message is just a bit misleading :)
[23:55] <vadal> ActionParsnip: how? i'm not sure what you mean
[23:55] <vadal> how do I install the Logitech dual action controller, I am using 10.10 Ubuntu, but this tutorial doesn't work http://linuxgamingtoday.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/install-and-use-usb-based-gamepads-in-ubuntu/
[23:55] <Guest33390> critcial_max, yeah, when i go to hardware drivers it says im up to date and its installed correctly and i can get into the nvidia settings but thats about it..
[23:55] <JSK> ActionParsnip:  thanks, feel better with Firefox 4. :P
[23:55] <daerda> askreet: no not used tcpdump
[23:56] <critical_max> Guest33390, well that's so far so good. I did a google myself and only see people with HDMI *sound* problems on NV+Ubuntu. Not video problems. What's your card?
[23:56] <askreet> daerda: from a command line it will show you what connections and packets are going through your system.
[23:56] <askreet> daerda: a command like "sudo tcpdump port 80" will show all traffic from or to port 80, for example
[23:57] <askreet> daerda: then, you could hit the web server from a local PC (which works), and a remote PC (which does not work) and compare the output.
[23:57] <askreet> daerda: i suspect you'll get no output from the remote server, meaning the request doesn't even make it to your web server host pc
[23:57] <Guest33390> critcial_max geforce 310m i finally got it to detect my tv threw hdmi, now do i click "seperate to X screen" ?
[23:58] <terry_> vadal: Those instructions are over 3 years old and that may be the problem, (dated January 24, 2008)
[23:58] <critical_max> Guest33390, in general your solution will heavily depend on your exact model of card/tv... OK so it's working now? Sure, go separate, see if it works for ya. Matter of preference/individual need there.
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> JSK: not for me, chromium daily here :)
[23:58] <rypervenche> I just changed my default language on my Ubuntu 10.10 and my home folder's folders changed names. What would be the best way to transfer all of my files from each one to the new folder? Doing mv ~/Oldfolder/* /Newone/ does not move the hidden files and folders that I have.
[23:58] <JSK> ActionParsnip: thats what i do primarily on windows.
[23:59] <erkan^> !update
[23:59] <Guest33390> critical_max, okay i need to restart X, i'll give that a shot, im getting closer! lol thanks heaps, lets see how it goes, brb
[23:59] <terry_> vadal: Here is something a bit newer http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1481852
[23:59] <JSK> ActionParsnip: firebug is 2nd to nothing, not even chrome dev tools.
[23:59] <critical_max> rypervenche, perhaps "rsync -a ~/Oldfolder/ ~/Newfolder/"   trailing slashes important
[23:59] <nza> hi! have you had the misfortune of sleeping with njan's slutty wife lanna? if so, please join #freenode-wifeswap today!
[23:59] <jrib> rypervenche: .* will match hidden
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> JSK: not familiar


[00:59] <poolie> can team administrators add new administrators?
[00:59] <poolie> apparently not?
[00:59] <poolie> only the owner/
[01:00] <poolie> lifeless: ^^ you should ask statik to make you an admin
[03:34] <LaserJock> any vcs-imports people around?
[03:36] <mwhudson> yes
[03:39] <LaserJock> mwhudson: does the git imports use bzr-git?
[03:39] <LaserJock> *do the
[03:40] <LaserJock> there is a project that has moved from svn to git, right now there is an svn import and git import registered, the former is no longer used and the latter is failing
[03:41] <LaserJock> I tried locally to bzr branch my local git clone and that worked fine
[03:41] <LaserJock> so I'm wondering how to get things working again
[03:48] <thumper> LaserJock: yes they use bzr-git
[03:48] <thumper> LaserJock: which branch?
[03:48] <LaserJock> thumper: https://code.launchpad.net/avogadro
[03:49] <LaserJock> thumper: the "trunk" one is pointing to svn and the vcs-imports is the failed git
[03:49] <LaserJock> on a somewhat related note, is it possible to change the URL that a vcs-import is importing from in the LP UI?
[03:50] <LaserJock> I've got some Gnome vcs imports that are dead because of the svn-> git transition
[03:50] <thumper> LaserJock: nuke it and try again would be my suggestion
[03:50] <thumper> LaserJock: there were some issues back when with the cached maps
[03:50] <thumper> bugs since fixed I believe
[03:50] <LaserJock> I can't nuke them as far as I can see
[03:50] <thumper> LaserJock: I can
[03:51] <thumper> LaserJock: a new import requested by you would be owned by you now
[03:51] <thumper> LaserJock: want me to nuke it?
[03:51] <thumper> mwhudson: can you just blow away the cache?
[03:51] <thumper> mwhudson: the branch has a subscriber
[03:51] <LaserJock> you can nuke it if you want
[03:51] <thumper> mwhudson: last updated in may
[03:52] <mwhudson> thumper: i can't, no
[03:52] <mwhudson> spm can though
[03:52] <thumper> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/avogadro/main
[03:52] <thumper> spm: plz can nuke import internals?
[03:52] <LaserJock> hmm
[03:52] <LaserJock> so I'm back to 3/4 of my code imports failing
[03:53] <LaserJock> I never can seem to keep them going
[03:53] <mwhudson> LaserJock: :(
[03:53] <thumper> LaserJock: what else?
[03:53] <LaserJock> openbabel is dead
[03:53] <LaserJock> https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/openbabel/trunk
[03:53] <thumper> LaserJock: just request new git imports for the gnome moves
[03:54] <spm> thumper: as in delete the branch?
[03:54] <LaserJock> https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/goffice/trunk is also wrong
[03:54] <LaserJock> and has a ton of gnome-mirror branches
[03:54] <thumper> spm: no, just the cached bits that mwhudson can tell you the location of
[03:54] <spm> thumper: ahhh righto. will do upon my return from fetching boy from school
[03:54] <thumper> spm: ta
[03:55] <LaserJock> spm: thanks
[03:55] <thumper> LaserJock: hmm... have a cunning plan to clean up gnome imports, but not today
[03:55] <LaserJock> I just never can seem to get more than 50% success rate with these imports
[03:56] <LaserJock> I was trying to set up some automatic PPAs
[03:56] <LaserJock> but if I can't rely on the bzr branches it makes it more difficult
[03:57] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if I should try to just do my own mirroring or what
[03:57] <thumper> LaserJock: older git imports had some mapping failures
[03:57] <thumper> LaserJock: however we were caching the broken values
[03:58] <thumper> LaserJock: and for some, we have just been fixing as alerted to
[03:58] <LaserJock> k, so hopefully one more round of clean up and things should settle down
[03:58] <ajmitch> thumper: you can't just clear the cache of the whole lot then?
[03:58] <thumper> ajmitch: considering
[03:58] <mwhudson> i thought i'd cleaned all of those up, but apparently not :(
[04:00] <maxb> I don't suppose there's anyone capable of looking into why an UDD import has not happened, other than james_w, who is on vacation?
[04:01] <LaserJock> maxb: subversion?
[04:01] <maxb> Indeed, 1.6.6dfsg-2
[04:02] <wgrant> maxb: That's probably more of a question for #ubuntu-devel.
[04:02] <wgrant> Since LP certainly knows of it.
[04:04]  * ajmitch wonders where to find links to those branches in the LP ui
[04:05] <maxb> wgrant: Last I heard, only james_w and losas had access
[04:33] <thumper> LaserJock: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/avogadro/main is now up to daet
[04:33] <thumper> date
[04:35] <LaserJock> thumper: awesome, thanks
[04:35] <LaserJock> is there an easy way to make that the trunk branch?
[04:35] <LaserJock> or do I need to ping the project owner or something
[04:42] <thumper> LaserJock: either ping the project owner/driver or a LOSA
[04:54] <wgrant> lamont: Did you end up sticking that sbuild diff anywhere?
[09:40] <alkisg_work> Sorry for asking but I couldn't find it after 10 minutes of googling: what's the URL for copying packages from the primary archive for Ubuntu? (I want to copy a Lucid package to my ppa...)
[09:51] <al-maisan> alkisg_work: why not just upload it?
[09:52] <noodles775> alkisg_work: currently the web ui can be used to copy from PPA->PPA, but afaik, you'll need to use the api to copy from ubuntu->PPA.
[09:54] <noodles775> See: https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc/#archive-syncSource
[09:54] <noodles775> or https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib for more general info.
[09:57] <tsimpson> there is some sample code here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/334858/comments/2 you should be able to adapt something
[10:00] <alkisg_work> al-maisan, noodles775: no I'm sure there's such a site to copy from ubuntu to ppa, and I do have the link at home, I just can't find it in google... :(
[10:01] <alkisg_work> Anyway, I guess I'll have to do the copying when I return back home. :-/
[10:03] <wgrant> There is, but you're not really meant to use it.
[10:03]  * micahg just downloads, decrease version, and push
[10:03] <micahg> assuming the dependencies are there
[10:04] <alkisg_work> Sure, I know the drill. It's just easier, when there are *no* source code changes involved...
[11:06] <pmcenery> Hi. I'd like to request the deletion of one of my PPAs. Is this the place to do it?
[11:12] <noodles775> pmcenery: So deleting PPAs is a bit of a problem at the moment (bug 392887). If you have never published to the PPA, you can requets it to be deleted by filing a question like one of those at:
[11:12] <noodles775> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+questions?field.search_text=delete&field.sort=RELEVANCY&field.sort-empty-marker=1&field.actions.search=Search&field.language=en&field.language-empty-marker=1&field.status=OPEN&field.status=NEEDSINFO&field.status=ANSWERED&field.status=SOLVED&field.status-empty-marker=1
[11:13] <noodles775> If you have published to it already, it can only be disabled currently (which will soon mean that it is not displayed on your profile page)
[11:14] <al-maisan> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/661
[11:15] <al-maisan> pmcenery: ^^
[11:16] <noodles775> al-maisan: hrm, I looked for that faq at: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+faqs
[11:32] <cumulus007> Hi, when will Ubuntu Karmic be open for translation?
[11:32] <henninge> cumulus007: it has been for a month or so, AFAIK
[11:33] <cumulus007> erhm, I mean Lucid :)
[11:33] <henninge> cumulus007: me too ;)
[11:33] <cumulus007> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid
[11:34] <cumulus007> It gives an error message, "Translations for this release series are not available yet."
[11:34] <henninge> cumulus007: are you talking about language packs?
[11:35] <henninge> cumulus007: there are no language packs yet
[11:35] <cumulus007> oh ok. When will the first pack be released?
[11:35] <henninge> cumulus007: gunno
[11:35] <henninge> dunno
[11:36] <henninge> cumulus007: ask the ubuntu people
[11:36] <henninge> ;-)
[11:36] <henninge> in #ubuntu-translators for example
[11:36] <cumulus007> Good idea
[11:37] <henninge> cumulus007: ah, sorry about the confusion earlier. I see the translations because I am an admin.
[11:37] <henninge> cumulus007: lucid is currently importing translations from the source packages.
[11:37] <henninge> after that it will be opened to translators, I guess.
[11:37] <cumulus007> ok, and how long does that take?
[11:39] <henninge> I am not sure if it is just a matter of processing speed or also of policy
[11:39] <cumulus007> ok, I'll just have to wait then :)
[11:40] <cumulus007> henninge: thanks for the info
[12:10] <pmcenery> noodles775: thanks. I filed a question, but have no idea if its in the right place
[12:11] <noodles775> pmcenery: al-maisan (this weeks community help guy) will make sure it does :)
[12:12] <al-maisan> pmcenery: thanks -- I'll look into it.
[12:33] <AlexC_> morning
[12:34] <AlexC_> a while back I merged some new translations and uploaded them, these new .pot files removed previous lang strings that are no longer needed, yet Launchpad has decided to keep them. Is there a way to remove them?
[12:34] <dpm> henninge, ^
[14:06] <MTecknology> How do translations work as far as in the package? Is there any magic voodoo that goes on so if somebody pulls the package from ppa lp will give them the package with the translations in it?
[14:49] <lszyba1> hello, would anybody know why I get this error...I've checkout my code as anonymous user ...then I did bzr launchpad-id szybalski  (no messages so I assume it went fine)....but when I try to commit the checkout code it says:
[14:49] <lszyba1>  Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[14:50] <lszyba1> bzr status says: checkout of branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eszybalski/datahub/trunk/
[14:51] <lszyba1> should that be automatically switched to bzr+ssh when I do bzr login-user or? what is the proper command?
[14:51] <lszyba1> bzr 1.5 btw....
[14:51] <spiv> lszyba1: "bzr bind lp:~szybalski/datahub/trunk", now that you've done bzr lp-login lp: URLs in future will be resolved to bzr+ssh
[14:52] <spiv> lszyba1: but existing branches and checkouts will have remembered http
[14:52] <spiv> (Also, install bzr 2.0 if you can, there are many improvements since 1.5)
[14:58] <lszyba1> spiv: thank you ...it works now....I've added it to my little manual... http://www.lucasmanual.com/mywiki/Bazaar#Troubleshooting
[15:20] <TeTeT> can I somehow make a public branch private?
[15:20] <TeTeT> or do I mandatorily need the commercial subscription for this?
[15:21] <beuno> TeTeT, private branches are only for commercial subscriptions
[15:21] <TeTeT> beuno: thanks
[16:06] <MTecknology> How do translations work as far as in the package? Is there any magic voodoo that goes on so if somebody pulls the package from ppa lp will give them the package with the translations in it?
[16:08] <MTecknology> Or do I make different packages and apply the translations on top of it?
[16:10] <apw> intellectronica, yo ... any idea when we might a fix for the nominations issue ... if its not going to be fixed to support packagesets we need to get our acls fixed
[20:03] <mrooney> hey all, is there a way to copy packages from one PPA to another via the API?
[20:04] <mrooney> I'd like to be able to automatically copy in packages from other PPAs into one PPA say on a weekly basis
[20:05] <paulproteus> leonardr, Are you the right person to ask technical questions to about the Launchpad API? I create a Credentials file that worked yesterday, but after a few hours and an IP address change it gave me "401 Unauthorized".
[20:06] <leonardr> paulproteus: ok, when you go to https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+oauth-tokens does the credential you authorized show up in there?
[20:07] <paulproteus> leonardr, (yay, nice to hear back!)
[20:14] <paulproteus> leonardr, Hmm, actually, a friend created the key. I'll create a new one and see if I can reproduce it with my own account so I can diganose it.
[20:16] <geser> mrooney: yes, use the "syncSource" or "syncSources" method from the "archive" object (see https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc/#archive; PPAs are archive objects too)
[20:19] <mrooney> geser: awesome thanks, that seems pretty ideal, now I will google for an example :)
[20:19] <leonardr> paulproteus: not sure what your situation is, but if you're reusing a friend's key a 401 Unauthorized doesn't seem out of the question
[20:25] <paulproteus> Well, it's on a headless server...
[20:25] <paulproteus> But anyway, I'll try it myself (-:
[20:36] <kklimonda> is it possible to set an email for which all bug mails are sent?
[20:38] <wgrant_> kklimonda: You mean for a particular project?
[20:39] <kklimonda> wgrant_: no - I'd like to get all mails related to bugs sent to the different mail address..
[20:40] <wgrant_> kklimonda: Ah. No. Can you not filter it?
[20:41] <kklimonda> wgrant_: sure - I'm just going to just redirect them in this case. Just Thought I could do it on a LP itself
[21:57] <thumper> kklimonda: you can set your preferred email addrss
[21:57] <thumper> kklimonda: email by default goes to that address
[21:58] <thumper> kklimonda: you can also specify a particular email address for particular launchpad mailing lists
[21:59] <sproaty> trying to upload to launchpad revu with debput;
[21:59] <sproaty> Good signature on /home/steve/Documents/sb/whyteboard_0.39.1-0ppa3.dsc.
[21:59] <sproaty> Checksum doesn't match for /home/steve/Documents/sb/whyteboard_0.39.1-0ppa3.dsc
[21:59] <sproaty> http://www.pastebin.org/57209
[22:00] <sproaty> I don't get the error; changes doesn't match against *what*?
[22:02] <sproaty> hmm, seem to have got it now.
[22:03] <wgrant> sproaty: The checksum for the .dsc as shown in the .changes is not correct. That normally means you've rebuilt the .dsc since.
[22:03] <sproaty> I deleted them and rebuilt the package with dpkg-buildpackage; I was using debuild before
[22:07] <sproaty> lintian's complaining about "It looks like you try to run code in the binary-arch target of debian/rules, even though your package is architecture- independent. " -- should I move my install code to binary-indep: build install
[22:07] <sproaty> whoops; http://www.pastebin.org/57213
[22:08] <poolie> it's a good day when you go to file a bug report against launchpad and realize that the thing actually unexpected works already
[22:08] <poolie> specifically entering an email address in the vocabulary picker
[22:43] <RoAkSoAx> hey guys is it possible to find out the public key of a user using launchpadlib?
[22:49] <wgrant> RoAkSoAx: Not yet.
[22:49] <lifeless> wgrant: screen scrape?
[22:50] <wgrant> lifeless: Better.
[22:50] <RoAkSoAx> wgrant, ok :(
[22:51] <wgrant> RoAkSoAx: You could use https://launchpad.net/~SOMEONE/+rdf
[22:51] <wgrant> That's easily parsable, and contains key details.
[22:52] <RoAkSoAx> wgrant, awesome. Thanks for the tip :)
[22:56] <ajmitch> RoAkSoAx: for a bonus, it also works for a team
[22:56] <RoAkSoAx> ajmitch, nice!!


[00:59] <tsimonq2> pleia2: ping, question
[01:00] <tsimonq2> wxl! are you on the News team in any way? :D
[01:01] <pleia2> tsimonq2: ask away
[01:02] <tsimonq2> pleia2: could you go over my first summary? It seems good, and I tried to use your suggestions...
[01:02] <tsimonq2> pleia2: I will leave a comment where I would like you to read
[01:03] <pleia2> tsimonq2: just one little edit
[01:04] <pleia2> I need to log off for the evening (I take Saturdays off, starting at sundown on Friday)
[01:04] <pleia2> thanks for your work on the summaries :)
[01:04] <tsimonq2> pleia2: yep :)
[01:09] <wxl> tsimonq2: yes, i have contributed before
[01:09] <wxl> not so much in a while
[01:09]  * wxl hangs his head in shame
[01:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: I am a regular summary writer
[01:13] <wxl> nice
[01:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: feel free to contribute this round!
[01:14] <tsimonq2> wxl: just write a summary here: http://v.gd/8Qei0T
[01:14] <tsimonq2> don't hang your head in shame!
[01:14] <tsimonq2> :D
[01:14] <wxl> i'll get back to it eventually
[01:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: I should add it to my wiki page :D
[01:19] <Na3iL> I wanna contribute but idk how :P
[01:19] <wxl> get on the mailing list Na3iL
[01:20] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: go to the document( http://v.gd/8Qei0T )
[01:21] <Na3iL> Done wxl
[01:21] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: then just edit where it is indicated
[01:21] <Na3iL> tsimonq2, I am already there okay
[01:21] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: I have done 2 already, so just follow my example for the first one
[01:21] <Na3iL> I think I will be very helpful in the documentation section!
[01:21] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: either way, just read and write a summary of what it says
[01:22] <Na3iL> Understood tsimonq2
[01:23] <tsimonq2> k
[01:25] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: if you like summary writing, subscribe to the ubuntu-news mailing list here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-news-team and email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>asking to get your name on the list of summary writers. Then, you are contacted each week by email when summaries need writing.
[01:25] <tsimonq2> or ubuntu-news-team, rather
[01:25] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: have fun :)
[01:26] <Na3iL> Thanks tsimonq2 I appreciate you, otherwise, is there any team for the wiki pages of Ubuntu News?
[01:26] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: and either way, add your name to the credits on the bottom :)
[01:26] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: this is what goes on the wiki page
[01:27] <Na3iL> Ah! okay
[01:27] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: so when it is released, it is just copied over from the doc
[01:27] <Na3iL> Roger that!
[01:27] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: all I am is a summary writer, so if you want details on editing, ping pleia2
[01:28] <Na3iL> She is AFK I think I will contact her when she is available
[01:28] <Na3iL> Thank you tsimonq2
[01:28] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: and have a read here, for more details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/
[01:28] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: she gets back on Sunday if you need more details
[01:28] <Na3iL> 0kay
[01:29] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: if you have any more questions on summary writing, ping me :)
[01:29] <tsimonq2> Na3iL: have a nice night :)
[01:30] <Na3iL> Thank you tsimonq2 you too mate :)


[06:23] <soee> good morning
[08:30] <turgay> i get the error neon kf5   http://sudrap.org/paste/text/332384/
[08:39] <Riddell> mm, interesting turgay
[08:39] <Riddell> sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/project-neon5-kio-extras_0.0+git20140519.0308+neon4~ce71f85~14.04_i386.deb    to workaround
[08:49] <turgay> Riddell:   http://sudrap.org/paste/text/332390/
[08:49] <shadeslayer> Force overwrite away
[08:55] <shadeslayer> Didn't you ask the same question 2-3 days ago?
[08:57] <turgay> similar
[08:57] <turgay> sddm and lightdm errror
[09:11] <Riddell> Mirv, mitya57: for KF5 and extra-cmake-modules where do you think QML_INSTALL_DIR should point to?  The upstream default is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qml/ but existing qt packages use /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/
[09:21] <Riddell> Mirv, mitya57: and for IMPORTS_INSTALL_DIR ecm sets it to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/imports but seems our existing package uses /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/imports/
[09:25] <Riddell> curious grumble du jour is from Elder Paige Storm Blade http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/paige.pdf
[09:29] <Mirv> Riddell: they have been juggled a few times, but we are in sync with Debian so I hope they're final. what is upcoming is that includedir will move to multi-arch dir too (/usr/include/$(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH)/qt5)
[09:29] <Mirv> debian will do that with 5.3 (and 5.3 is something I try to get answer to Scott this week..)
[09:31] <ovidiu-florin> On the add printer wizzard the browse button for samba shared printers is dissabled. Is this intentionate?
[09:32] <jussi> ovidiu-florin: congratulations
[09:33] <jussi> (on the wedding, not seen you recently) :D
[09:33] <ovidiu-florin> thanks
[09:33] <ovidiu-florin> http://mediab.ro/nunti-menu/11-filmari/166-trailer-ovidiu-a-laura-nunta-in-arad-ro.html
[09:35] <Odur> Riddell: Just a heads up. If you remeber, I had problems with my USB headset. I've solved it now by reinstalling pulseaudio. I don't understand why this happened on a clean installation though... for more info, see this thread. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2221925
[09:56] <Riddell> Mirv: ecm man alex merry says to follow qt so I'll go with /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/ and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/imports
[09:57] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1312806] Please update kde-workspace to 4.11.9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312806 (by Kubuntu IRC Bot)
[09:57] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: "Windows printer via SAMBA" is not disabled for me
[10:40] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:02] <shadeslayer> Your upload of kde-workspace version 4:4.11.9-0ubuntu0.2 to trusty has resulted in errors that were first reported about this version of the package.  The errors follow:
[12:02] <shadeslayer> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/2bb11f5013b5638956cbb06a6f822d811fde60a4
[12:02] <shadeslayer> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/1a794f4f0b1fa61aa9916353ae643de6085125fc
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/milou/milou_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can haz upload?
[13:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ooh? an official release?
[13:09] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:09] <Riddell> qt4 version or qt5?
[13:09] <shadeslayer> Qt4
[13:09] <shadeslayer> got rejected the last time because of some minor issues
[13:11]  * Peace- made a virtuabox image for my voip shell program
[13:16] <sgclark> Riddell: kwin still needs review in bzr when you have time please
[13:18] <Riddell> ooh yeah sure
[13:18] <Riddell> just trying to fix my pandabox which always takes far too long :(
[13:19] <sgclark> Riddell: and kmenuedit as well thanks!
[13:19] <sgclark> Riddell: no problem, there are still a couple more I can work on that do not require it
[14:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can we ban this guy from the kubuntu-devel ml?
[14:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: which guy?
[14:09] <shadeslayer> Re: Re: diamonds at a steal
[14:09] <shadeslayer><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where do you see that?
[14:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/lRk8XnH.png
[14:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't think you got that from kubuntu-devel, maybe it went to another address like kubuntu-users-owner
[14:12] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/psldexmn5
[14:13] <Riddell> right, you probably got it from one of the -owner addresses
[14:14] <Riddell> mailing lists do attract spam and -owner addresses likewise
[14:14] <Riddell> it's why we set our mailing lists to subscribers only
[14:14] <Riddell> no other sane way to do it
[14:14] <Riddell> but then merge requests don't get accepted :(
[14:25] <sgclark> kget hates me, now a new error that does not occur on my local chroot
[14:25] <Riddell> sgclark: did you remove nepomuk bits?
[14:29] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah, which fixed that, but now it complains athe ontology files are missing. ontology depnd does get installed
[14:29] <sgclark> Riddell: and again none of these errors occur on my local chroot, I just don't get it
[14:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/14.04ubuntu10 needs migrating out of proposed
[14:35] <Riddell> sgclark: throw us what you have and me or someone will take a look
[14:36] <sgclark> Riddell: thanks, you can find it in https://launchpad.net/~scarlett-7/+archive/kubuntu-ppa
[14:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'll try to have a look tonight.
[14:43] <yofel> sgclark: ontology files are part of nepomuk, so you won't get those without nepomuk
[14:44] <yofel> also remove the dep on s-d-o if you remove nepomuk
[14:45] <ScottK> shadeslayer: would you please check into those workspace errors and mark it verification failed if they are regressions.
[14:45] <ScottK> It's got enough time to get released and that shouldn't happen if it's got regressions.
[14:47] <sgclark> yofel: ok thank you
[14:53] <Riddell> sgclark: a couple of issues found in kwin, do you want to fix them or shall I?
[14:54] <sgclark> Riddell: I can
[14:55] <Riddell> sgclark: kwin should depend on kwin-data not the other way around
[14:55] <Riddell> and kwin Conflicts: kde-window-manager
[14:55] <Riddell> because it has files with the same name as good old kwin 4
[14:56] <Riddell> I also changed in the description "KWin (pronounced as one syllable "kwin")" otherwise it's not clear
[14:56] <Riddell> and I made tidied up the build-depends lines with only 2 build-depends per line, else you get very long lines
[14:57] <BluesKaj> I always think of it as K-win
[14:57] <Riddell> everyone does, but like Qt, it's a sign of eliteness to pronounce it as one syllabol :)
[14:57] <BluesKaj> k-this , k-that
[14:58] <yofel> I do too, but martin says kwin, so that's about correct ^^
[14:58] <Riddell> sgclark: and I think kwin should recommend kwin-decoration-oxygen which will be packaged from oxygen and provides the window theme
[14:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yep, Martin G. gave me a bug report, first witnessed in 4.11.8, so not a regression
[14:58] <BluesKaj> bah humbug, that"s just geekspeak :)
[14:58] <shadeslayer> not a regression between 4.11.8 and 4.11.9, but rather 4.11.7 and 4.11.8 I guess
[14:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: also, milou up for re-review
[15:00] <yofel> Riddell: why call it kwin? That's not really great for keeping it apart of kde-window-manager, as that has kwin too in the description and doesn't say anything about qt4
[15:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yofel please fill in https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-akademy
[15:39] <sgclark> Riddell: kwin fixed
[16:38] <Riddell> yofel: I guess the other option would be to just call it kde-window-manager, but it's always confused me why debian named it thus instead of using upstream name kwin
[16:46] <Riddell> yofel: hah, see #debian-kde, it's to do with depending on an internal lib
[16:46] <Riddell> so kwin it is
[16:46] <yofel> yeah, read it :D
[16:55] <Riddell> sgclark: I don't see any new commits in kwin bzr
[17:14] <Riddell> sgclark: maybe there's conflicts because I think I did push some
[17:16] <Riddell> sgclark: kmenuedit has same issue where package-data depends on package, but it should be package depends on package-data
[17:17] <Riddell> sgclark: the description looks like it's for ksysguard not kmenuedit
[17:22] <Riddell> sgclark: watch file was wrong (fixed in bzr)
[17:25] <Riddell> sgclark: and for perfection you can tidy up the newlines at the end of the .install files (most tidy is to end in a newline with no blank lines)
[17:26] <Riddell> sgclark: if you fix those bits you can just upload to ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental yourself
[17:28] <Riddell> sgclark: ah just noticed kwin-dev should confict with kde-workspace-dev
[17:36] <Riddell> hmm, not sure I'm a fan of this new verbose cmake output https://launchpadlibrarian.net/175894890/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.kget_4%3A4.13.0-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:42] <Riddell> sgclark: kget uploaded!  you must have had nepomuk in the chroot you were test building in which means it'll install those ontology files, but on a fresh build they don't install
[17:50] <sgclark> Riddell: ok fixing
[18:03] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:25]  * manchicken is officially using Kubuntu @ work.
[18:30] <lordievader> \o/