[04:10] <Talikka> I would like to create a Google poll for this channel about where the members are from and which languages they speak.
[14:45] <Norte> Hi all! I had a quick question about Ubuntu MATE. Not sure how to use IRC exactly, so this is a test message.
[14:46] <Norte> OK it looks like that worked. I was wondering how you make Ubuntu MATE ask for a password when it resumes from suspend?
[14:48] <Norte> I was really surprised that this option was (seemingly) removed.
[15:00] <sixwheeledbeast> Norte its certainly not removed
[15:07] <Norte> sixwheel, where was it moved to? It's not in power management, users, or anywhere else you would think.
[15:13] <sixwheeledbeast> I have this but my system as been upgraded over the years from the first ubuntu-mate.
[15:16] <Norte> Yeah, the fresh install of Ubuntu MATE 18 seems to be missing this feature entirely.
[15:17] <Norte> And I can usually Google my way out of problems, but people only point to things that were taken out in this version.
[15:19] <sixwheeledbeast> I am thinking Screensavers. But actually it may have been a LightDM thing which is no longer installed
[15:19] <diogenes_> Norte, i guess you can make a shortcut that will lock and then put to sleep
[15:21] <Norte> I will give that a shot. It's such a weird thing to be missing! I can technically "lock" the computer and it goes to the screensaver, but that's not what I want to do.
[15:23] <sixwheeledbeast> You could Lock the device with the Lock shortcut then switch User, this will then give you the Suspend option.
[15:24] <sixwheeledbeast> Its an extra few clicks but an easy work around without much messing.
[15:26] <Norte> Yeah I will try these solutions for now. This seems like an option that would be an easy fix for devs.
[15:26] <sixwheeledbeast> LightDM did have an option Lock on Suspend which is seemingly not available on "Login Window"
[15:27] <Norte> It's just weird that this existed in previous versions! Oversight?
[15:43] <sixwheeledbeast> Seems there's a thread about the lack of options with slick-greeter over GTK Greeter.
[21:30] <Belial`> i have system sounds muted but they're still playing on 18.04 when doing certain actions. anyone else have this problem and have a fix for it?
[21:32] <sixwheeledbeast> Are they all shown as Muted in Sound Prefs > Applications.
[21:33] <Belial`> muted under sound effects. under applications, no app is currently playing or recording audio.
[21:35] <sixwheeledbeast> I have SOund Theme no sounds and Muted to disable system sounds
[21:35] <Belial`> sorry, my bad
[21:35] <Belial`> i have no sounds but not muted.
[21:35] <Belial`> completely overlooked that.
[21:35] <Belial`> all set now.
[21:36] <Belial`> one more issue with plank...i have it set on the left side of the screen. i also have it set to window dodge. whenever i mouse over it, a lot of the times it'll hide itself as a move the mouse over apps. for some reason it only does it on the left side. never on the bottom, right, or top.
[21:37] <Belial`> i disabled zoom which seemed to fix the issue. but i had to actually disable something to make it work only for the left side.
[22:11] <sixwheeledbeast> i have no idea, i use trad style mate


[03:20] <lotuspsychje> hello
[03:20] <daftykins> just to warn you, today's asshat is [Saint]
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> im trying to gather supporters into here for a nice chichat
[03:20] <daftykins> ah ok ^_^
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> this is a calm channel, not so crowdy as offtopic
[03:21] <daftykins> i did often think it'd be handy to have a place volunteers could chat
[03:21] <daftykins> though apparently it was done and failed once before
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> yes thats the idea, because we have the nicest crew
[03:21] <OerHeks> else #ubuntu-beginners :-D
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> loool
[03:22] <OerHeks> invite only ... mehh
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> oldskool beginners
[03:23] <daftykins> i should be asleep but i got into baseball last year so i'm watching a game - despite it being 4am here
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: set this channel to idle ok, ill invite some more during the day
[03:23] <daftykins> ok :>
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: a new openstack tweet: https://twitter.com/ubuntu
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> and a lot of ubuntu phone news open to public to buy :p
[03:26] <daftykins> heh ubunt.eu is really confusing
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: howso?
[03:27] <daftykins> it's like you've still got the final 'u' of ubuntu but with the e there it goes funny
[03:27] <daftykins> eh i'm just being silly i think :>
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> not sure why they did that
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> did you guys see this one? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/ubuntu-mate-inks-first-hardware-deal
[03:36] <OerHeks> nice, affordable
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: looks promising right :p
[03:42] <daftykins> hmm never heard of Entroware
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> me neither
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu is getting big in the world :p
[03:43] <daftykins> ah ok they just sell things like Clevo machines
[03:44] <daftykins> i would love a Dell XPS 13 FHD if i were in the market for a new machine :D 15 hour battery (under Windows at least)
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> ah clevo thats those barebone laptops right
[03:44] <daftykins> yeah, so whoever that co. are are just grabbing them, putting specs together and throwing an OS on
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: did you see that dell on the twitter page
[03:44] <daftykins> no sir
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/04/09/designed-for-developers-dell-launches-two-new-ubuntu-based-systems/?utm_source=ubunteu&utm_medium=url_shortner&utm_term=9H8bb0&utm_campaign=shortner
[03:47] <daftykins> only trouble is i'm always under the impression the Linuxes suffer for battery life - which is always my #1 attribute for laptops
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: well im gonna open an ubuntu computer store soon in my country, with only samsung ssd pro insides and ubuntu LTS
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: still trying to find a nice barebone company
[03:48] <zerowaitstate> daftykins: I am on a linux laptop right now; of course it's hard for me to decide how power hungry it is given that it has a 17" screen, 16 GB of RAM, and a 6 core processor
[03:49] <daftykins> ouch that sounds like a desktop replacement chunker :)
[03:49] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: ah neat!
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> zerowaitstate: what brand is this?
[03:49] <zerowaitstate> system76
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: something like system76 yeah
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> zerowaitstate: oh nice, but those are really expensive right
[03:50] <zerowaitstate> cheaper than the dell you linked
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> true
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> and the hardware rox on system76 :p
[03:50] <zerowaitstate> depends on which model, from what i've read
[03:51] <zerowaitstate> they don't actually make the PC; it's a third-party off brand
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> zerowaitstate: do you know wich brand?
[03:51] <zerowaitstate> taiwanese something something
[03:51] <zerowaitstate> that send it to you in a box that says something like "please enjoy computer with complement"
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> i found BTO laptops was promising for barebones
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> but OerHeks suggested me to contact HP as they are stable to linux, maybe they can deliver barebones too
[03:53] <zerowaitstate> HP EliteBooks are very good build quality
[03:54] <zerowaitstate> I had one for work and it rocked
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> i dont want a hd inside and neither an Os
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> so i can put samsung ssd pro inside and format with ubuntu
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> so it will be lowcost for the end-user with ubuntu as free Os
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> and rocketfast as a tablet :p
[03:56] <zerowaitstate> lotuspsychje: you want an msata
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> zerowaitstate: yeah samsung pro 850 msata would rocknroll :p
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> zerowaitstate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wUdtcD5gYw
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> not much ubuntu samsung pro 850 video's yet
[09:59] <badbodh> part
[11:55] <lordievader> o/
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: nice and calm here :p
[12:05] <OerHeks> Not anymore
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:27] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: hello mate
[14:27] <OerHeks> hey BluesKaj
[14:28] <BluesKaj> \hi lotuspsychje, OerHeks
[14:30] <BluesKaj> hope you don't mind a Kubuntu guy in here :)
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> we like all kinds of flavors :p
[14:31] <OerHeks> Nothing wrong with guys
[14:31] <OerHeks> oh, Kubuntu :-P
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: welcome :p
[14:31] <lordievader> OerHeks: :P
[14:31] <cfhowlett> yowza!!
[14:32] <OerHeks> I certainly install plasma5 when 15.04 is out.
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> this will be our private ubuntu chitchat while we do support :p
[14:34] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, plasma 5 is default on Kubuntu 15.04
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> everyone thrilled with 15.04 so it seems
[14:36] <BluesKaj> I'm not real thrilled, some of my favourite features are missing so far
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: wich ones?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> no more separate widgets/backgrounds for Virtual Desktops is my main complaint
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: welcome :p
[14:39] <BluesKaj> forced into trying to configure activities, which is something I didn''t need
[14:39] <BluesKaj> hi EriC^^
[14:39] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: thanks
[14:39] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: well didnt test vivid myself, im sticking to trusty for a while :p
[14:41] <BluesKaj> I'm using Kubuntu 15.04 for testing as requested, but ai still prefer 14.10 and plasma 4 .. it's actually my main OS atm
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> cool
[14:41] <cfhowlett> LTS only = sanity saving measure IMHO
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: did you see that MATE laptop on omgubuntu?
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: lol
[14:42] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, no I didn't
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/ubuntu-mate-inks-first-hardware-deal
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> check it out :p
[14:44] <cfhowlett> wait, so now specific distros are getting OEM hardware deals?  Then I must disagree with DELL.  The Sputnik m3800 is currently offered as a developer laptop.  Should also be offered with ubuntustudio as a Multimedia Creation Laptop.
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu is spreading wings worldwide :p
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: the other day a user shouted in #ubuntu-touch about ubuntu going deal with microsoft lol
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> with all the cloud deals and snappy core n such
[14:49] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, yeah, he missed the 04/01 memo
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:54] <BluesKaj> cfhowlett, got url to the memo ?
[14:55] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, nah, we gotta wait until next April Fool's Day.
[14:55] <OerHeks> :-D
[14:55] <BluesKaj> heh
[14:56] <BluesKaj> shoulda known
[15:02] <BluesKaj> was running W7 as guest on qemu-kvm , but the LAN configuration required escapes me despite the tutorials I tried , but then i realized I don't need windows anymore since linux has better networking anyway , and it works well on our LAN with the other windows machines ...guess I'm just an old windows guy who can't let go
[15:03] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, I have windows 7 + office 2010 in a vbox, but I boot it up maybe 30 minutes per month.
[15:05] <BluesKaj> yeah cfhowlett , not much point to it , is there
[15:05] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, certainly no pressing need.
[15:10] <BluesKaj> cfhowlett, I suppose you need it occasionally for work ?
[15:11] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, yeah.  oxford english language dictionary is SUPPOSED to work on linux but doesn't so ... windows needed.
[15:12] <BluesKaj> right'
[15:16] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, I was just looking at the ubuntu-mate laptops specs, not real impressive for the money
[15:18] <BluesKaj> but I suppose a working linux configuration is worth something extra, less work to do on the users part
[15:24] <cfhowlett> most users aren't like us.  most uses aren't even like most IRC folks.  they want it to "just work" otherwise they are quick to run back to the more familiar win/OSX
[15:26] <OerHeks> Maybe IRC folks are the worst, demanding.
[15:27] <OerHeks> Anyway, it is live Q&A.
[15:28] <cfhowlett> case in point ... see the latest
[15:28] <BluesKaj> I think most irc users have a 'hobby" or extra cirricular pursuit/activity and use irc as a forum to exchange information, altho there are a lot of chats that have no real subject ... just plain chit chat
[15:30] <BluesKaj> I discovered irc as an audio hobbyist looking for info and help
[15:46] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:09] <daftykins> ah my good ol' desktop Das Keyboard, today enjoys dropping the letter O :D
[19:15] <daftykins> i vote ovsjanij for troll
[19:22] <BluesKaj> daftykins, who?
[19:29] <daftykins> BluesKaj: it's the nick of a time waster in #ubuntu
[19:32] <BluesKaj> daftykins, yes I see, one of those one word info types, who expects help with little or no info forthcoiming about his issue.
[19:34] <daftykins> i think it's someone that knows the oft-enforced channel policy and is trolling it :)


[01:55] <Wilker_> Hola Cuantos Les Gusta El Hacking
[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[21:45] <daker> czajkowski: ping
[21:50] <czajkowski> daker: pong
[21:51] <daker> czajkowski: it's ok... just wanted some infos about bug #1222748
[21:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1222748 in LoCo Team Portal "removing Approved from the LTP and replacing with verified " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222748
[21:51] <daker> but all the infos are there
[21:52] <czajkowski> ok
[22:26] <SergioMeneses> daker, thanks a lot!
[22:34] <daker> no problem :)


[12:23] <NW051692> chrisccoulson ricotz : hi, can you possibly initiate a new build of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa so that we can test if https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1283299 works now?
[12:26] <ricotz> NW051692, if those patches are not in mozilla-central they won't end up in a new build
[12:27] <ricotz> (there is a new build on its way though)
[12:28] <NW051692> ricotz : thanks for your swift reply. according to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1415481 it should already be in the build though?
[12:28] <ricotz> so this bug is still open and nothing indicates that those patches were pushed yet
[12:28] <NW051692> ricotz: please see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1415481
[12:29] <ricotz> so that is another bug and those patches were committed
[12:30] <ricotz> so I don't think CSD support will work with the next build
[12:31] <NW051692> ricotz : with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1415481 it should be enabled now in the builds, you just need to set the "widget.allow-client-side-decoration" pref to "true" in about:config . however, I am running https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/13733171 and the "widget.allow-client-side-decoration" pref is not available via about:config. the patches were pushed 21 hours
[12:32] <NW051692> ricotz : and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/13733171 is 22 hours old
[12:32] <NW051692> ricotz : so I was hoping it would be in there, but it's not. I guess it overlapped (21 hours vs. 22 hours). so I hope it will be in the next firefox-trunk PPA build
[12:33] <ricotz> right, but without "Implement titlebar rendering on GTK 3.20+" I expect it to be properly working
[12:33] <ricotz> and if you are on 16.04 you will even have to wait for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1414212
[12:34] <NW051692> ricotz : "Implement titlebar rendering on GTK 3.20+" https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1283299 is only for set the "widget.allow-client-side-decoration" pref to "true" by default I think
[12:34] <ricotz> NW051692, those patches you mention were commit 14 hours ago
[12:34] <NW051692> ricotz : please check "Depends on" https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1283299
[12:36] <ricotz> just judging from the bug title and 16.04/xenial has gtk+ 3.18
[12:36] <ricotz> but since there is some movement maybe those remaining patches will land very soon too
[12:38] <NW051692> ricotz : oh, what a bummer, yes, you're right, xenial does not have gtk+ 3.20 :(
[13:01] <NW051692> ricotz: thanks for your help though, much appreciated. one more question: I notice that firefox-trunk from the ubuntu-mozilla-daily PPA is not necessarily being updated every day. I've seen times where it did not update for several days, even when there were some crititcal security updates being rolled out as point releases for standard Firefox.
[13:01] <NW051692> ricotz: the builds are automated though, aren't they?
[13:04] <ricotz> NW051692, those builds are not automated, also they require packaging adjustments very often lately
[13:04] <NW051692> ricotz: would it make sense to offer them as snaps then?
[13:05] <NW051692> ricotz: and may I ask why they are not automated? I thought they should automatically update themselves "daily"
[13:06] <ricotz> NW051692, if you require bi-daily updates and you will have to use the upstream tarball builds
[13:07] <ricotz> the update progress is done with apt as the rest of your system which is how ppas works
[13:07] <ricotz> I am not targetting daily builds here, but at least 3 a week
[13:08] <ricotz> the next one is interest due the internal ICU 60.1 update
[13:08] <NW051692> ricotz: the PPA description says:  Firefox and Thunderbird daily builds PPA description  daily (or even multiple builds per day) for various mozilla projects and branches.  For questions and bugs with software in this archive, please contact <email address hidden> or visit #ubuntu-mozillateam on freenode.
[13:09] <NW051692> ricotz: might want to change that description then
[13:09] <ricotz> I see, that can be true, but it is more a warning if you have limited bandwidth
[13:09] <NW051692> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[13:10] <ricotz> if you actually using the nightly for your daily-usage you might want to overthink that
[13:12] <ricotz> it is really stable, but I even saw 57 beta crashing on me, meaning using the beta is a safer decision for regular usage
[13:16] <NW051692> ricotz: yeah, that means I would have to wait for client side decorations 6 or 12 weeks now or maybe more. with firefox up to 56 one could use https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/hide-caption-titlebar-plus-sma/ to have the minimize/maximize/close buttons in the titlebar. now that it's only webextensions, that possibility is gone. so I am thinking to use nightly to get it back via CSD
[13:17] <NW051692> ricotz : I realize there also is a Firefox ESR PPA now (which is good by the way),  but going back to v52, no, don't want that ;). at least not at home
[13:17] <NW051692> (for at work it's another story)
[14:18] <ricotz> NW051692, I guess you will have to be patient and follow those bug reports
[17:44] <NW051692> ricotz : thx for the new firefox-trunk build. the "widget.allow-client-side-decoration" pref is now available in about:config. it's set to "false" by default. at least on 16.04. setting it to "true" does not seem to do anything on 16.04. probably because 16.04 uses gtk+ 3.18. since 16.10 has gtk+ 3.22, I would guess it should now work on 16.10 onwards: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1283299
[17:44] <NW051692> whereas 16.04 users would probably have to wait on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1414212
[17:47] <ricotz> works with *17.10* and later
[17:48] <ricotz> and yes, this patch for gtk+ 3.10 will likely be pushed shortly
[17:52] <NW051692> ricotz : but why 17.10? even 16.10 seems to have GTK+ 3.22, see: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&section=all&arch=any&keywords=libgtk-3&searchon=names
[17:53] <NW051692> ricotz: ah, pardon, zesty is 17.04, not 16.10
[17:53] <NW051692> ricotz : anyway, 17.04 seems to have GTK+ 3.22?
[17:54] <ricotz> yes, it does, but it is mostly EOL from my pov
[17:54] <NW051692> ok