[00:11] <delt> btw the laptop goes to sleep when i close the lid, even if i configured it to do nothing in the xfce settings
[00:13] <pleia2> delt: yeah, it's a known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1222021
[00:13] <pleia2> there's a ppa to fix it
[00:14] <pleia2> (see the bug for the link)
[00:14] <delt> ah ok, got it thanks
[00:14] <Vespertilio> hi there
[00:14] <Vespertilio> can anyone help me with some graphical issues in a game, please?
[00:18] <knome> !anyone | Vespertilio
[00:19] <Vespertilio> sorry if I havent done it properly. I am just new to irc
[00:20] <Vespertilio> I am using xubuntu. I cannot see anything except the grid and hud. No cycles or walls :S
[00:21] <Vespertilio> !details
[00:22] <Vespertilio> I am running xubuntu 13.10 in a 512mb computer
[00:22] <Vespertilio> it seems to work properly, except that I cannot see any cycles or walls
[00:22] <Vespertilio> I've tried changing the graphics settings, but I cannot fix it
[00:23] <Vespertilio> !gq
[00:23] <Vespertilio> !poll
[00:24] <Vespertilio> sorry, I thought this was the game channel. I am talking about armagetronad
[01:04] <delt> how do i change the grub countdown delay?
[01:39] <delt> what's that speaker drop-down menu that's always empty, even when stuff is playing audio?
[01:40] <delt> (in the top panel)
[02:22] <delt> how can i remap the left windowz button to alt_L?
[02:22] <delt> xmodmap doesn't seem to be doing the trick :(
[02:59] <bongert> Hey! Anyone knows hot to delete single Words from the Dictionary in AbiWord?
[03:02] <pero> anyone else notice numix is broken on 14.04? i just installed today's nightly and the active window always is red
[03:35] <delt> ....so question, should i install package jack1 or jack2?
[03:43] <holstein> delt: you should try ubuntustudio live, and see which works for your needs
[03:44] <holstein> delt: usually, there will be a reason why you need jack1 or jack2, otherwise, just get the one that comes in the metapackage
[03:44] <delt> uh what's a metapackage?
[03:44] <delt> a package of packages?
[03:44] <holstein> delt: ubuntustudio-audio is a metapackage for example
[03:45] <holstein> delt: its a package that pulls in others.. but, jack2 should be fine unless you find you need jack1 for some reason
[03:45] <delt> holstein: if i don't feel like reinstalling, is there a way to get a list of what packages are included with ubuntu studio, and install those i want?
[03:46] <holstein> delt: you can open the package manager of your choice, such as synaptic, and search "ubuntustudio"
[03:46] <holstein> delt: but, you dont need to install any of them.. you can just add what you want/need.. another reason why i suggest trying the live CD and seeing what of the software you actually want to use
[03:47] <holstein> !info linux-lowlatency
[03:48] <holstein> we also have a kernel that you may be interested in
[03:48] <delt> ah, nice!
[03:48] <holstein> poeticrpm: you can try #ubuntu+1 for 14.04
[03:48] <delt> but what is linux-lowlatency then?
[03:48] <holstein> poeticrpm: sorry.. pero ^^
[03:49] <holstein> delt: you can try the kernel in the live cd.. or read about it above
[03:49] <holstein> delt: if you need it, its available.. if you dont, then there is no reason to mess with it
[03:49] <delt> holstein: thanks for your advice
[03:49] <holstein> delt: one needs low latency for live effect processing and live software synths
[03:49] <pero> holstein: thanks, figured it out though - forgot to change window theme
[03:50] <holstein> pero: cheers
[03:50] <delt> holstein: yeah, i'm a musician, need that kind of stuff
[03:50] <holstein> delt: musicians dont need that kind of stuff.. only the 2 *specific* cases i outlined above
[03:50] <holstein> delt: you can be a musicians and *never* need a low latency kernel
[03:51] <holstein> delt: for example, if you are a mixing engineer, does it really matter if when you press the play button, it takes 90ms to play it back? no
[03:51] <delt> how about running softsynths etcÃ?
[03:51] <delt> i haven't tried it on this laptop yet
[03:51] <holstein> delt: however, if you are playing a guitar for live effects processing, you will want it to take less than 12ms
[03:51] <holstein> delt: if you cant make it less than 12, then its irrelevant, and you can again, relax
[03:51] <delt> 12ms is quite reasonable
[03:52] <holstein> delt: depends on your specfic hardware and how well it support linux
[03:52] <delt> i normally run renoise and pianoteq ... + other synth stuff
[03:52] <delt> hexter-dssi, excellent DX7 emulator
[03:52] <holstein> delt: doesnt matter what you run.. if you need lower latency, the kernel can help
[03:53] <delt> holstein: oh, i also like compiling stuff from source, or at least having the option to.
[03:54] <delt> so i'd need headers that match the kernel, of course
[03:54] <holstein> delt: you always have the option to, but, keep in mind.. the repo packages are supported officially. when you go outside of those, you move the support to upstream as well
[03:55] <holstein> there really is no reason to do that on an audio production machine anyways. you may prefer just dual booting
[03:55] <delt> damn my desktop computer now seems sluggish compared to this machine :D
[03:56] <delt> holstein: what's the package name of the lowlatency kernel?
[03:56] <delt> holstein: and all relevant stuff (headers, etcetc)
[03:56] <holstein> !info linux-lowlatency
[03:57] <delt> so, apt-get install linux-meta-lowlatency ...?
[03:57] <holstein> delt: you can always use the package manager of your choice, such as synaptic, to search "lowlatency"
[03:57] <delt> or the browser like one that comes by default with xubu
[03:57] <delt> that one's nide
[03:57] <delt> nice too
[03:58] <delt> holstein: bist du aus deutschland? ich hab ein wenig deutsch gelernt -)
[03:58] <holstein> if you cant find anything in those software managers searching "ubuntustudio" or "lowlatency", just remember i suggested synaptic.. or you can use "apt-cache search *"
[03:59] <delt> E: Unable to locate package linux-meta-lowlatency
[03:59] <holstein> delt: correct.. i never meant to imply that was the name of the pacakge
[03:59] <delt> oh sry
[04:00] <holstein> delt: the one i referenced a few times above, and the one synaptic, and maybe other GUI managers will suggest, as well as "apt-cache seearch lowlatency" is called "linux-lowlatency"
[04:00] <delt> also a matching version of gcc is needed to compile kernel modules, if i ever need to e.g. manually install the nvidia drivers
[04:00] <holstein> delt: i personally suggest just determining if you actually ned it
[04:01] <holstein> delt: if you are tring to do something and getting xruns, or not able to get the latency settings you would like. otherwise, theres no reason to use it
[04:01] <delt> what harm can come from installing it, even if i dont?
[04:01] <delt> yeah i need it
[04:01] <delt> always getting xruns on my slower machine, which is running a pretty optimized kernle
[04:01] <delt> el
[04:02] <holstein> delt: i get no xruns.. on any hardware.. netbooks, P4's.. doesnt matter.. i find well supported hardware, and can run simple tasks at 2ms
[04:02] <holstein> the speed of the machine really doesnt effect the xruns like that
[04:02] <holstein> at some point, faster hardware would help
[04:04] <delt> how come apt-get gives me two lists of packages that will be installed: "The following extra packages will be installed" + "The following NEW packages will be installed"
[04:04] <delt> just wondering
[04:04] <holstein> !paste | delt
[04:04] <holstein> delt: not sure.. paste if you need help
[04:04] <delt> ah, thanks for the info
[04:04] <holstein> delt: i am not german, and we should discuss that in the #xubuntu-offtopic channel
[04:05] <delt> ok sry
[04:06] <delt> so, grabbing linux-lowlatency, and taking note of "suggested" packages
[04:07] <delt> holstein: i imagine i should update the boot manager once it has installed, or is there an install script that does it?
[04:07] <delt> also, once i reboot, is there something in the uname that identifies each kernel?
[04:07] <holstein> delt: i dont.. i just select the kernel i want at boot time
[04:08] <holstein> delt: theres no reason for my normal desktop to use that kernel.. the benefits are only lower latency.. battery life can be compromised as well as other things
[04:10] <delt> battery life on a desktop machine? o_O
[04:10] <delt> ...or electric bills really high in your area :D
[04:10] <delt> jk
[04:11] <holstein> delt: thats why i said "as well as other compromises"
[04:11] <holstein> delt: there is no reason to casually use that kernel in a normal desktop setup.. so, i just choose which i want
[04:11] <holstein> !grub
[04:11] <delt> holstein: this laptop is plugged in 99% of the time anyway.
[04:11] <holstein> that will tell you how to change the order
[04:12] <holstein> delt: there are other compromises
[04:12] <delt> such as...?
[04:12] <holstein> delt: you are free to remove whatever kernels you like, and rearrange what you like.. and run whatever kernel
[04:12] <holstein> delt: such as *anything* other than giving priority to the audio device
[04:12] <delt> ah, grub is pretty powerful
[04:13] <delt> uh... can you define "anything"?
[04:13] <holstein> delt: sure
[04:13] <holstein> delt: literally everything else
[04:13] <delt> as in, slower kernel overall, etc..?
[04:13] <holstein> delt: you want the web cache to get priority for web browsing? might not since, you have asked for the audio device to get it
[04:14] <holstein> delt: will you have any problems? i literally have no idea.. but i do know, there is no reason to use that kerne on a casual desktop
[04:15] <holstein> delt: if you want to, you can. and you can edit grub, or purge kernels, or whatever you like.. what do i suggest? just install the lowlatency kernel, select it.. test it.. see if it works for your needs, and decide
[04:15] <delt> thanks
[04:16] <delt> now in my /boot i have *-lowlatency as well as *-generic ...how do i switch between one or the other being the default? update-grub, right?
[04:17] <holstein> delt: i just reboot, and select what kernel i want to boot.. i usually go in and tell grub to be shown, but you can press shift at boot to show the hidden grub menu
[04:17] <delt> ah, /etc/default/grub got it
[04:17] <holstein> delt: update grub will run automatically after installing the kernel
[04:17] <holstein> !grub | delt this is what i refer to
[04:17] <delt> yep, i saw the install script ran it
[04:18] <delt> yeah, windowz wants to own all, including our master boot records :/
[04:19] <delt> i remember /etc/defaults/grub from earlier, changed the timeout length which was too long (10 seconds)
[04:19] <holstein> delt: i have no problems with any dual boot setup.. windows installation CD's typically dont promise anything about allowing for dual booting of any other OS's
[04:21] <delt> yeah this laptop came with windows "seven" ....probably wouldn't even have installed a windows partition, but decided to keep it
[04:21] <delt> since it's a "legal" copy and all
[04:21] <holstein> in that case, it wont blow out anything in the mbr, unless you ask it to
[04:23] <delt> in case i do have to rewrite the mbr..... i can just boot off the livecd, mount my / partition, and rerun update-grub, right?
[04:23] <delt> that's the equivalent of (for slackware) symlinking lilo.conf to the ramdisk /etc and running lilo
[04:23] <delt> ?
[04:23] <holstein> its not quite that easy.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[04:24] <delt> hmm, it's pretty easy with lilo + i've been used to it for over 15 years... probably i should just install that :D
[04:24] <holstein> you are free to do what you like. grub is mostly used, and you *can* do what you are asking
[04:26] <delt> or i can just run a kernel with root=/dev/sd?? and rerun update-grub from there (my up-n-running system with a different kernel)?
[04:27] <holstein> delt: you can do what you like.. this guide explains how to recover grub, if you need to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[04:27] <holstein> delt: thats the proceedure i use.. either the ppa package or manually
[04:27] <delt> ppa?
[04:28] <holstein> !ppa
[04:28] <holstein> delt: its referenced in the documenation i linked
[04:28] <delt> ah, i have not yet read all of it =)
[04:29] <holstein> any of these guides will work http://askubuntu.com/questions/83771/recovering-grub-after-installing-windows-7
[04:29] <delt> just wondering, why are fonts in KDE apps huge since my last reboot?
[04:29] <holstein> !kubuntu
[04:29] <holstein> thats where i would have to go for that.. i tend to try and choose one and stick with it.. making them co-exist can be tricky
[04:29] <delt> yeah, i'm just running a few qt/kde apps on xubu
[04:30] <holstein> could be as simple as a qt theme or just some application config
[04:30] <holstein> i would start by removing or moving the user .config for the application and go from there
[04:30] <delt> anyway, far from being a critical issue (for now)
[04:32] <delt> just from the url, RestoreGrub and Boot-Repair seem to mean the same thing
[04:32]  * delt investigates
[04:42] <delt> holstein: if i want to add a kernel to the grub bootup list, am i lookin in the right place ---> /etc/grub.d/
[05:16] <delt> what's the 'catchall' command that tells me "command" is in this or that package?
[05:17] <delt> say i already have a binary installed, but i want to know what package it was from?
[06:00] <delt> ok this is getting annoying.... how do i get X to display apps from other hosts over tcp/ip?
[07:37] <pero> anyone have an idea why my laptop's fans run a lot lounder on xubuntu than debian xfce with just chromium open?
[07:41] <delt> No package 'glib-2.0' found   +   No package 'gthread-2.0' found   ....what packages are missing?
[07:49] <moetunes> delt:  check /etc/X11/xserverrc to see if it is ignoring tcp
[07:50] <moetunes> delt: oops check /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc to see if it is ignoring tcp
[08:11] <delt> aha ---> exec /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp "$@"
[08:14] <delt> moetunes: nope.. just restarted the X server, ran "xhost +" ....still "can't open display" :(
[08:40] <HoloIRCUser1> I updated kernal to 3.11 and I boot into a blank screen. nomodeset option didn't help. any ideas?
[09:05] <xubuntu728> hu guys, i need one answer. There's an encoding error in my songtree view in shimmer-desktop: http://askubuntu.com/questions/399876/weird-characters-in-gmusicbrowser-xubuntu-13-10  - now, this patch seems to do the trick: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1246474 - but how do i apply it?
[09:05] <xubuntu728> sorry, i meant this patch: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/1.1.10-2
[09:53] <ST66> i installed yesterday 13.10 but now in first time firefox don't know what todo with magnet links. what i need todo for opening transmission?
[09:54] <delt> damn...... how do i rewrite the grub MBR??
[09:55] <delt> i tried update-grub from a recovery console.... no go
[10:02] <Asus1015pem> Hi everybody. I've got a problem with the grub menu on my netbook. Someone can help?
[10:03] <elfy> they might be able to - try to be a bit more specific about the problem
[10:05] <Asus1015pem> I've got a dual boot netbook with Windows7 starter and Xubuntu 12.04. Yesterday I used the recovery partition of Windows and after that in the screen was written:  Error: no such partition grub rescue. What can I do?
[10:06] <bekks> Asus1015pem: Define "I used the recovery partition"
[10:06] <elfy> Asus1015pem: when you say you used the recovery partition - what do you mean - used it to set the machine back?
[10:06] <elfy> if that's the case it probably wiped it
[10:07] <Asus1015pem> yes. I wanted to reinstall windows completely
[10:08] <bekks> Asus1015pem: So you set back your machine and wiped off Ubuntu.
[10:08] <elfy> then that's why you've got an issue with grub not finding a partition - there isn't one for it to find
[10:10] <Asus1015pem> but Xubuntu was in another partition. Now Windows doesn't work either. There is only the black screen. Can I try to fix it with Super Grub2 disk. Or I have to reinstall Xubuntu with the USB?
[10:11] <elfy> Asus1015pem: if it was on a different DISK it would be there - windows has just set the partitions back to what it wants
[10:11] <bekks> Asus1015pem: you wiped off your Ubuntu, along with the bootloader, and grub (residing in the MBR) does not find anything like the menu list anymore.
[10:11] <elfy> if you did have seperate disks - then reinstalling grub should find it - but if you don't then it's gone - reinstall it
[10:12] <Asus1015pem> Yes, are 2 separate disk so it should be there. How can I reinstall grub?
[10:13] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing
[10:13] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstalling_GRUB_2
[10:13] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Fixing_a_Broken_System
[10:14] <elfy> but that's only going to work if they are seperate physical disks and not partitions
[10:15] <Asus1015pem> ok. I'll try this before reinstall everything
[10:16] <Asus1015pem> thanks
[10:16] <elfy> all you really need to do - is boot with a live then check the drives - you'll soon see
[10:17] <Asus1015pem> I'm downloading the iso right now.
[10:19] <WubTheCaptain> Anyone mind helping with an X/Xfce problem? I have this user which after login gives a black screen, while other users (including guest and root) boot to desktop just fine. I can't seem to locate the error from any logs and not even any .X* or .config file seem to do anything. ThinkPad T500 with Intel + ATI, using free radeon drivers (no fglrx)
[10:21] <TheSheep> WubTheCaptain: as far as I remember there was once a falty xfce4 window manager theme that gave this effect
[10:21] <WubTheCaptain> It should be an user account issue, yet it surprises me how there's nothing that I can see to change. One thing I haven't tried yet is recreating that user account
[10:22] <TheSheep> WubTheCaptain: try editing .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml and changing the theme
[10:22] <WubTheCaptain> TheSheep: The theme should be fine. I moved .config to .config.old yet it had no effect
[10:22] <WubTheCaptain> After restart
[10:22] <WubTheCaptain> It's also the default theme
[10:23] <TheSheep> permissions on the home directory then maybe?
[10:24] <WubTheCaptain> They seem correct and assigned to right groups, let me check a bit longer
[10:25] <WubTheCaptain> Yeah, there's nothing wrong with permissions there.
[10:25] <WubTheCaptain> This really surprises me too because even the new .config folder seems fine
[10:28] <TheSheep> did you try to rename the whole home directory and create a new, empty one with the right permissions and ownership?
[10:29] <WubTheCaptain> Not yet, I'll try that
[10:29] <WubTheCaptain> Somehow forgot
[10:33] <WubTheCaptain> I tried troubleshooting this for long and even updated Xorg since it seemed out of date, just restarted because I forgot to create the new folder before moving to login screen where it froze, logged back into root just in case (and need to create the new home folder) and I was greeted with a Xorg crash message (xserver-xorg-core). Not sure if because of the update.
[10:33] <WubTheCaptain> Trying to create the home directory now anyway
[10:35] <WubTheCaptain> And same issue, I can't change users graphically from the tray menu after logging in to desktop from root
[10:36] <WubTheCaptain> I assume X crashes there
[10:36] <WubTheCaptain> Usually it would create a new process to new tty (Ctrl + Alt + F8) but now even F7 has nothing but a blinking cursor
[10:37] <WubTheCaptain> I can still access the first tty to type commands though
[10:39] <WubTheCaptain> What's the command equivalent to startx in Xfce/Xubuntu? I believe Ubuntu uses some other ones like nautilus too
[10:39] <WubTheCaptain> Because I've tried startx earlier without results
[10:40] <WubTheCaptain> Xorg logs have nothing interesting again
[10:41] <WubTheCaptain> lightdm logs tell that X server has stopped, process 2267 terminated with signal 6
[10:41] <WubTheCaptain> And it stops after no sessions require it
[10:50] <WubTheCaptain> xfce session is still running in background. I have no idea.
[10:53] <WubTheCaptain> Killing X pid takes me back to the login screen.
[10:57] <WubTheCaptain> I am not quite sure what's going on but I deleted /var/cache/lightdm and it seems to boot now. Weird enough because there's no difference in the files or permissions, so I have absolutely no idea.
[10:57] <WubTheCaptain> It only seems clicking to change users doesn't work too well but it's not used, didn't check if it works better now
[11:04] <WubTheCaptain> I renamed ~/.cache from the troublematic user just in case and moved the old home folder back to that name. After login, it just freezes there again and Ctrl + Alt + F7 brings back to black screen after tty change. Shrug, guess I'll make a new folder to fix this permanently.
[11:09] <WubTheCaptain> Works now, still not sure which hidden folder is conflicting in home folder. Thanks TheSheep.
[13:27] <xubuntu412> good afternoon, anybody here that can help me please? im a bit of a linux noob :)
[13:27] <cfhowlett> details
[13:27] <xubuntu412> thank you
[13:28] <xubuntu412> i have used ubuntu before on my own system, but my son has a slow laptop, do you know what the basic system requirements are for xubuntu?
[13:29] <cfhowlett> xubuntu412, not offhand.  should be on the site.
[13:29] <knome> xubuntu412, 512MB ram
[13:29] <xubuntu412> i did have a look on the site, but i couldnt see it anywhere
[13:29] <elfy> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[13:30] <cfhowlett> xubuntu412, lubuntu is optimized for older / lower specification machines ...
[13:30] <elfy> it's there at the bottom xubuntu412
[13:31] <xubuntu412> thank you, this laptop only has 258 ram
[13:31] <xubuntu412> would lubuntu work on that?
[13:32] <Myrtti> it's debatable depending on what you were actually planning to do on it
[13:33] <elfy> +1 to that
[13:33] <xubuntu412> my son is only young, its just for browsing the net etc, more as a tool to get him used to laptops/pcs
[13:35] <cfhowlett> xubuntu412, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements
[13:35] <cfhowlett> xubuntu412, looks like 256 is a reasonable starting number
[13:36] <xubuntu412> have any of you ever used lubuntu? is it as user-friendly as ubuntu? as i said i am very much a linux noob :)
[13:37] <cfhowlett> xubuntu412, it's user friendly but no Unity (eye-candy) type stuff.  Also, the default apps are different.  Functionality is the same, however.
[13:38] <xubuntu412> thank you everyone, i shall go now and instal it, happy new year to you all :)
[13:39] <cfhowlett> xubuntu412, happy new year to you and have fun!
[13:39] <elfy> xubuntu412: hang on a second
[13:40] <elfy> you say you've got 256Mb ram and that lubuntu page is looking for minimum of 384Mb for the desktop installer
[13:40] <elfy> you might be better with the alternate installer - which is not so pretty to deal with
[13:41] <cfhowlett> elfy, good catch ...
[13:41] <elfy> it might be installable with low RAM - but if it does run it will be slow
[13:42] <cfhowlett> the wiki specifically cited 256 as "reasonable" performance ....
[13:42] <elfy> xubuntu412: you might even be better trying to build up from a minimal - though it's probably the harder of the 3 to install for someone new
[13:42] <xubuntu016> hi. i registered today on the QA testing website. Now, my only question is, is it okay if i perform tests with a live usb, instead of installing 14.04?
[13:42] <elfy> cfhowlett: yep - I was looking at "The default "Desktop" installer requires 384-800 MB of RAM (depending on selected options.)"
[13:43] <elfy> xubuntu016: simple answer - you can test packages and the livecd for us - but you won't be able to do any of the actuall install tests - but don't let that stop you doing what you can :)
[13:44] <elfy> xubuntu016: if you've other questions though - can you join #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-quality or #xubuntu-devel and ping me there - this channel is for support of released versions of Xubuntu - thanks
[13:46] <elfy> and I expect you will have questions as the live session is still broken afaik
[13:46] <xubuntu016> yes, i meant package testing mostly. thanks elfy, will go testing, and hit you up there if anything goes wrong :)
[13:46] <elfy> okey doke
[13:46] <cfhowlett> xubuntu016, most people test in a virtualbox
[15:39] <soman> Can anyone to help to start xubuntu? The problem is described here http://pastebin.kde.org/poshcyq6p/3sduxm
[15:40] <soman> Can anyone to help to start xubuntu? The problem is described here http://pastebin.kde.org/poshcyq6p/3sduxm update-grub didn't helped too.
[15:46] <FoxBJK> what's in your fstab file, out of curiosity?
[15:50] <elfy> when fsck runs - when you get the "Superblock last mount time is in future" does it not ask you something like "probably due to the hardware clock being incorrectly set) Fix<y>? " and are if it does are you saying yes?
[15:52] <elfy> had similar issue once - pretty sure a forced fsck run sorted it - you can force that to happen by running sudo touch /forcefsck from a terminal and rebooting
[15:52] <elfy> when you say Xubuntu isn't run - do you mean it starts and then fails at the superblock issue?
[16:16] <soman> elfy, it doesn't ask anything. i choose xubuntu from grub and see loading messages then i see fsck messages
[16:24] <elfy> soman: not sure then - I vaguely remember having the same issue and forcing a fsck run sorted it for me
[16:30] <soman> elfy, where should I create file with touch?
[16:30] <soman> elfy, home dir?
[16:37] <basiclaser> Is there any good free video editing software for linux??
[16:40] <SonikkuAmerica> basiclaser: I recommend Kdenlive, but there's also OpenShot
[16:40] <SonikkuAmerica> And yes, it has KDE in its name, so expect half of KDE in your Xubuntu install :\
[16:41] <knome> i used pitivi for simple editing, but it all depends what you need
[16:43] <linuxer1995> Hello what about the Xfce Project rid of them do not have enough developers that accumulate the bugs?
[16:44] <knome> linuxer1995, you're making no sense; can you rephrase?
[16:44] <elfy> soman: sudo touch /forcefsck from a terminal to force fsck on reboot
[16:44] <elfy> I did say that earlier
[16:46] <soman> elfy; I will try to rebbot now after this command. My fstab file http://pastebin.kde.org/p9fzxsbc6/fhm0dg
[16:48] <linuxer1995> I hope that soon the XFCE version 4.12 comes and xubuntu had it :)
[16:51] <soman> elfy, I has unreadable characters in a fsck message and if I hit 'M' I got message 'Filesystem check or mount failed. A maintenance shell will be started' and if I hit 'S' my xubuntu runs well
[16:52] <elfy> can't remember offhand what S is for - skip probably
[16:55] <elfy> I'd guess you'll need to do it properly - someone will be looking I expect and help you more
[16:55] <soman> ok
[17:47] <Vendetta> Hey
[17:47] <Vendetta> Nobody online?
[18:05] <Ziarkaen> I'm running 13.10, and want to hibernate my computer.  The menu only gives options to "Shut Down" or "Suspend".  I've had a "Hibernate" option when running Ubuntu 13.04 with xubuntu-desktop installed.
[18:07] <Ziarkaen> Testing pm-hibernate now.
[18:33] <sideup66> hello room, i have a simple question for you folks, im trying to install xubuntu 12.04 on a machine in which you cannot get the keyboard or the mouse to work, therefore, i would like to have the live disc or installation disc automatically start and launch an ssh service that I can then remote into and begin a installtion in
[18:34] <sideup66> would anyone know how to make a xubuntu live flash drive or cd that can start automatically and load an ssh server on start?
[18:36] <publio> mmm
[18:37] <sideup66> mmm?
[18:39] <sideup66> more or less, if there is a way to throw ssh into the live disc of ubuntu, I can probably do it from there as itll boot live, then throw the ssh server up
[18:40] <sideup66> and I already tried the usual which is a usb keyboard, to no dice, dont ask me whats up with this hardware, but needing it as a bot the keyboard and trackpad wont be necessary
[18:40] <sideup66> itll be a coin mining bot for those concerned
[19:33] <delt> just a question about the compositor... does it use opengl, or is that my cpu doing all the work for transparency etc..?
[19:44] <delt> ....uh, hello?
[19:45] <delt> anyone awake?
[19:45] <Unit193> xrandr, iirc.
[19:46] <delt> hardware accelerated?
[19:49] <Unit193> Think 2d.  You can use compton for opengl.
[20:08] <Unit193> chris1983: Settings Manager > Additional Drivers  in saucy.
[20:08] <Yotson> while trying to connect to a wireless network i'm supposed to provide a .pem file. I've got the file but somehow the pick file dialog doesn't show it. Should it have some particular name?
[20:08] <chris1983> hello, can somenone help? i was wandering how i can install the latest nvidia driver on my lenovo w530 which has two graphic chips, a nvidia card and intl
[20:10] <TheSheep> chris1983: is the nvidia headless?
[20:12] <chris1983> i am not sure, what does headless mean? the nvidia is a quadro 2000m and laptop can switch between the intel and the nvidia card
[20:12] <chris1983> i thought this could be the problem and i changed the settings in the bios to use only the nvidia card. but than xubuntu starts to a black screen
[20:14] <chris1983> xubuntu does not offer me to install the additional driver for nvidia
[20:14] <chris1983> maybe this stems also from the fact that my laptop has to graphic chips?
[20:15] <TheSheep> chris1983: if it's the "optimus" architecture, with one normal graphics card, and the other only being for acceleration, then there is the bumblebee project which supports it quite nice
[20:15] <TheSheep> !bumplebee
[20:15] <TheSheep> !bumblebee
[20:15] <TheSheep> hmm
[20:15] <TheSheep> !optimus
[20:16] <TheSheep> http://bumblebee-project.org/ <-- this is it
[20:16] <TheSheep> it has its own ppa
[20:17] <chris1983> ok, thx for the hint... i will try this
[20:17] <chris1983> yes, it is the optimus architecture
[20:18] <chris1983> the additional problem is, that the external monitor will only work when the discrete graphic card is installed corretly
[20:26] <xubuntu985> hello all. i'd like to ask that have you ever tried Xubuntu with VirtualBox? i am using windows7 right now.
[20:26] <knome> yes.
[20:27] <xubuntu985> i tried to install Ubuntu at first but i had problems with it and VirtualBox became frozen
[20:28] <xubuntu985> so Xubuntu works with no problem as u referenced
[20:28] <knome> afaik, ubuntu should work with virtualbox as well
[20:29] <xubuntu985> i think also it should but with installation there were a problem and VBox frozen. i tried a few times actually
[20:30] <knome> do you have an exact problem you need help with?
[20:31] <xubuntu985> for now that was all i need. thank you
[20:31] <xubuntu985> see you
[21:28] <xubuntu428> what does it mean if your hard drive is making grinding noises when something installs on it?
[21:30] <Unit193> Grinding?  This doesn't sound so good.  Have you looked at the smart tools?
[22:09] <ran> hi
[22:09] <ran> i have a question about boot.log
[22:28] <Nyan> Hello World ! ~
[22:33] <Nyan> I need a little help on xubuntu 13.10, I would like boot into the tty1 (command line) instead of default login manager, I've tried to into the grub configuration file to change the line « GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" » by « GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash text" » It works ! But I don't have sound (+ Firefox crash ?). Do you've an idea ?
[22:35] <Nyan> (I come from ArchLinux to XUbuntu temporarily, it changes the atmosphere. ahah).
[22:40] <Unit193> How did you then start the graphical env?
[22:53] <Nyan> After loggin I send « startxfce4 » to start the X11 env
[23:03] <spr-k3737> Hi there. Helping a friend install Xubuntu without thumb drive or CD. They are here in the channel, nick is Aspel. unetbootin to put liveCD on top of windows, installing to separate partition. Encountered this error: http://i.imgur.com/5aHyQWO.png
[23:03] <Aspel> Hey, I was right about which one you were.
[23:13] <bpeak> http://askubuntu.com/questions/360806/volume-indicator-issue-after-xubuntu-13-10-upgrade "Until the update is promoted to saucy-updates, it can be obtained from saucy-proposedby carrying out SRU Verification." → What does this mean? I don't understand what I'm supposed to do
[23:14] <holstein> spr-k3737, Aspel what are you using? if not a cd or USB?
[23:15] <Aspel> UNetbootin
[23:15] <holstein> Aspel: for what? a USB stick?
[23:15] <Aspel> er, no, just used it and then rebooted and selected boot from there.
[23:15] <Aspel> Just on the computer or whatever.
[23:16] <holstein> Aspel: ok.. you are using unetbootin.. on what?
[23:16] <holstein> Aspel: you only have one hard drive?
[23:16] <Aspel> Also, everything is currently frozen. Go Back or Continue neither work or do anything.
[23:16] <Aspel> I have only one hard drive, and I'm trying to put it on a different partition.
[23:17] <holstein> Aspel: sure.. you are likely selecting the installation source from the same destination
[23:17] <holstein> Aspel: that is not what unetbootin is intended to do
[23:17] <holstein> Aspel: i would *much* prefer just taking it to a machine that can boot USB, and just install to the hard drive there
[23:18] <holstein> bpeak: this page may outline a fix better for you https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound-gtk2/+bug/1208204
[23:18] <holstein> Aspel: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/01/debootstrap-minimal-debian-ubuntu-installation/ is where i would look
[23:19] <spr-k3737> holstein we did the frugal install using unetbootin onto the existing windows installation
[23:19] <spr-k3737> And booted into that
[23:19] <holstein> spr-k3737: unetbootin doesnt say that it supports installing to and from only one drive.. bootsrap does
[23:20] <holstein> otherwise, you might get more help about it upstream in a general linux channel, or the main #ubuntu channel
[23:21] <spr-k3737> holstein, we are not putting the final installation onto the drive we unetbootined onto
[23:21] <spr-k3737> *onto the partition
[23:21] <holstein> spr-k3737: so, there is more than one drive? or no?
[23:22] <holstein> if you have more than one drive, setup unetbootin on one as it requires, and use it to boot an installation environment onto the other drive
[23:23] <spr-k3737> holstein, there is one drive, now succesfully partitioned. According to this page,  it should work:http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/unetbootin/wiki/installmodes
[23:23] <holstein> spr-k3737: is that the official unetbootin documentation?
[23:23] <holstein> spr-k3737: AFAIK, its not stated to work or support that, or trying to support that.. and im still not sure about how many drives you have
[23:24] <spr-k3737> 1
[23:24] <holstein> if they (unetbootin) support it, and its not working, try the support for unetbootin
[23:24] <Aspel> I have one physical drive that is separated into two partitions, C: and E:
[23:24] <holstein> if i had one drive, i would use bootstrap.. or find a work around
[23:25] <holstein> i would take it to another machine and install and bring the drive back
[23:25] <spr-k3737> unetbootin has finished, it is the xubuntu installer that seems to be having an issue now. Another machine is not an option. I'm not familiar with bootstrap?
[23:26] <Aspel> Why would putting this hard drive into another machine change anything?
[23:26] <holstein> spr-k3737: there are always other options.. netboot, etc
[23:26] <Aspel> This is a laptop, by the way. Those generally don't hold more than one hard drive at a time.
[23:26] <Nyan> bpeak: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/29645120140105002540.png
[23:26] <bpeak> When you enable saucy-proposed, will you automatically get all the proposed changes, or you have to explicitly isntall a package to get the latest proposed changes?
[23:26] <holstein> Aspel: if you install on another machine, that has usb or cd boot, and install.. then return the drive to the machine its in
[23:26] <spr-k3737> It;s not that it doesn't support USB boot, or CD boot, we don't have a USB or CD
[23:26] <holstein> Aspel: i never implied your machine needed to hold more than one drive
[23:27] <holstein> spr-k3737: then, you are doing it "the hard way".. the way to do that is bootstrap
[23:27] <bpeak> I enabled saucy-proposed and updated indicator-sound-gtk2, which fixed the problem, but I'm afraid I'll get all saucy-proposed updates and break something
[23:27] <holstein> spr-k3737: i have never heard of anyone getting unetbootin to do it.. though, they may have support somewhere
[23:27] <Aspel> No, but if I put the drive in another computer, that laptop would also only hold one hard drive.
[23:27] <holstein> Aspel: i was assuming the machine didnt boot usb or cd
[23:28] <Aspel> No, I just don't have one.
[23:28] <holstein> Aspel: they are quite resonably priced, and handy for other applications
[23:28] <Aspel> I'm familiar with USBs.
[23:29] <Aspel> I'm also familiar with CDs. Knowing how reasonably priced or handy something is doesn't mean that I have a spare on me, though.
[23:29] <holstein> i would rather take a fork in the eye than do an install to and from only one drive over going and getting a USB stick.. but, im around a bunch of usb sticks
[23:32] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux might help, and mentions unetbootin Aspel , spr-k3737
[23:33] <holstein> !mini
[23:33] <holstein> ^^ those should pass as "alternate iso's
[23:36] <pero> anyone sometimes have their sound inexplicably muted? i can't find the setting where its muted for the life of me


[08:52] <xannen> hey is anyone around?
[08:53] <head_victim> I'm here for a bit, what can we do for you
[08:54] <xannen> i'm not sure if you can help me.  it's non ubuntu, but relates to irc.   i'm on windows and using miranda irc app.  i was wondering if i can join multiple different channels at the same time.  and if so, how do i do it?
[08:55] <head_victim> Not sure how miranda works but generally "/join #channelnamehere" without the " on either end works
[08:55] <xannen> okay...
[08:56] <head_victim> So to get here generally you'd type "/join #ubuntuau" and it woudl open another window with this channel if you weren't already in it
[08:56] <xannen> well, ubuntu-au is on freenode channel.  i want to join the brisbane room, but it is on the ausnet channel.  so how do i specify it?
[08:57] <head_victim> You'd need another server window open.
[08:59] <xannen> okay...  thanks.  i'll try and look that up on miranda help page or google.
[09:00] <head_victim> xannen: http://wiki.miranda-im.org/IRC should help
[09:01] <xannen> yep, i'm on it :D
[09:01] <sagaci> head_victim: #ubuntuau is a pretty lonely channel
[09:01] <head_victim> I wonder how that channel is going these days, it must be years since I've been on austnet
[09:01] <head_victim> sagaci: heh whoops :/
[09:07] <Kalidarn> im here :)
[09:07] <Kalidarn> xannen: use pidgin
[09:07] <Kalidarn> i use that on windows, it's more frequently updated.
[09:07] <Kalidarn> more stable.
[09:12] <head_victim> XChat is my client of choice :)
[09:12] <head_victim> Got to love having options.
[09:14]  * benonsoftware loves WeeChat :D
[09:22] <Kalidarn> yeah i use weechat for irc
[09:22] <Kalidarn> don't really use IM much these days
[09:23] <head_victim> I have gone to using default Ubuntu stuff for IM
[09:24] <xannen> Kalidarn : does pidgin support multiple server connection?  apparently, there needs to be some tweak on miranda in order for it to be allowed.
[09:24] <xannen> XChat is not free on windows.
[09:24] <benonsoftware> xannen: XChat-WDK
[09:25] <xannen> i could run VM ubuntu and use xchat?  LOL  but seems overdoing it just to get on irc.  LOL
[09:25] <benonsoftware> xannen: XChat-WDK is free
[09:25] <head_victim> xannen: just install Ubuntu and run Windows in a VM ;)
[09:25] <xannen> oh is it?  i did not know that.
[09:25] <xannen> head_victim : i play comp games, so it's better for it to be the other way around :P
[09:26] <head_victim> xannen: depends on the games, a lot run well on wine I'm told
[09:27] <xannen> well high end graphics game like sc2 have "issues"  :P
[09:29] <head_victim> I'm told Diablo 3 works ok
[09:29] <head_victim> Oh and they're gone
[09:32] <xannen> on xchat wdk :D
[09:34] <benonsoftware> is there anyway for LO to remember to use en-AU when spell checking?
[09:35] <head_victim> benonsoftware: should be able to set it to default
[09:35] <head_victim> benonsoftware: also worth checking your system wide language settings to make sure they're enAU
[09:36] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Hmm, okies. Thanks
[09:41] <elky> i believe you have to make sure the right dict file is available. it's either aspell or myspell, en_AU variant
[09:50] <benonsoftware> is it me pr os Telstra slow now?
[09:51] <head_victim> You
[09:52] <benonsoftware> Err :(
[10:12] <xannen> does anyone know of any good java irc channel besides the ubuntu-java?  and  free access?
[10:13] <head_victim> What about #java ?
[10:14] <xannen> it said through invite only.  so i guess it's private?
[10:14] <head_victim> Try ##java then , xchat auto forwarded to ##java when I went to #java
[10:15] <xannen> nope  :( ## didn't work
[10:16] <head_victim> Hmm, works for me
[10:16] <head_victim> * Now talking on ##java
[10:16] <head_victim> * Topic for ##java is: A channel for java development questions | Paste limit is 2 lines.  ~pastebin lists options | Read this first:  http://javachannel.net | Android in #android-dev | JavaScript is in ##javascript | No applets | This channel is logged
[10:16] <head_victim> * Topic for ##java set by tjsnell at Thu Nov 24 10:50:18 2011
[10:17] <xannen> i tried: /join ##java
[10:17] <xannen> and nothing happened
[10:21] <head_victim> Hmm, odd :/
[10:22] <jaddi27> worked for me also
[10:23] <xannen> that channel hates me :(
[10:24] <benonsoftware> xannen: Are you sure you're not in the channel already?
[10:26] <xannen> it doesn't seem like it.  on freenode server, i'm only on #ubuntu-au, #ubuntu-java.   on austnet server, i'm on #brisbane
[10:27] <elky> are you registered with nickserv?
[10:28] <elky> many channels keep out unregistered nicks to avoid spambots
[10:28] <xannen> i think so.  how do i check that i am registered?  but i do remember i have.
[10:29] <elky> you need to also have identified to nickserv
[10:29] <elky> do /msg nickserv help identify
[10:29] <head_victim> Hm I would have expected a different message than a channel being invite only for that sort of issue. But that being said, I can't recall ever not being identified so probably never seen it.
[10:30] <elky> often it's the irc client showing the wrong message
[10:31] <xannen> umm...  this might be silly, how do i recover a password for my nick?  i haven't use irc for a sometime, let alone on this server.
[10:32] <elky> You might need to ask #freenode for that one
[10:32] <elky> I can't find the help for that
[10:34] <xannen> ok will do
[21:05] <xannen> morning guys
[21:05] <xannen> all sleeping in?
[21:25] <head_victim> Nope, walking out the door on the way to work though
[21:26] <head_victim> Fortunately, it's Friday.
[21:30] <xannen> see ya head_victim lol
[21:31] <xannen> a


[00:17] <BobJonkman> getting a great demo of Ubuntu Studio at #diyofe from Andy
[03:36] <BobJonkman1> It's over! And it was good! Thanx, azend!
[15:03] <azend> Thanks BobJonkman1!
[15:25] <BobJonkman1> Hi azend: You're welcome.  There's some pics up at http://pix.ie/ubuntuca/album/465654/detailed ; there may be more later
[15:27] <azend> Cool!
[15:27] <azend> I'll check them out


[03:01] <Tyrone> hello
[03:01] <Tyrone> need help here
[03:04] <Knightlust> what's the problem Tyrone?
[03:05] <Tyrone> can you speak bisaya?
[03:05] <Tyrone> or tagalog only?
[03:06] <Knightlust> not visaya though
[03:06] <Tyrone> i have a problem in my ubuntu
[03:06] <Knightlust> please describe your problem
[03:08] <Tyrone> meron ako ubuntu tapos layout ng internet ko ganina modem ubuntu tapos switch then pc
[03:08] <Tyrone> ang prob is yong pc na naka connect sa switch tapos switch inyo ubuntu ayaw magka internet
[03:09] <Tyrone> i tried everything pero ayaw parin
[03:09] <Knightlust> via ethernet?
[03:10] <Knightlust> naka-setup ba router/modem mo as dhcp? or static ip?
[03:10] <Terminus> hmmm... could be NAT misconfiguration, dhcp, or dns.
[03:10] <Knightlust> anong modem? from pldt ba?
[03:11] <Tyrone> opo
[03:11] <Tyrone> zyzel
[03:11] <Tyrone> zyxel
[03:11] <Knightlust> the same one that i have, pero i don't think it supports dhcp by default, i have to use a router
[03:12] <Knightlust> unless you hack it, are you sure na switch gamit mo? hindi router?
[03:12] <Tyrone> pero yong ubuntu ko meron internet
[03:12] <Tyrone> switch po
[03:12] <Tyrone> modem router na daw kasi tong modem ng pldt
[03:13] <Knightlust> yeah, pero supports only one connection at a time
[03:13] <Knightlust> it can't handle multiple connection without a switch
[03:13] <Knightlust> wait
[03:13] <Knightlust> so ung setup mo ganito: internet->modem->switch->ubuntu
[03:13] <Tyrone> nope internet modem ubuntu switch
[03:13] <Knightlust> *it can't handle multiple connection without a switch
[03:14] <Knightlust> *it can't handle multiple connection without a router
[03:14] <Knightlust> arrrgghhh
[03:14] <Tyrone> ganun ba
[03:14] <Knightlust> ok, so kelangan mo lang ng routing application
[03:15] <Knightlust> so ung ubuntu mo na ang magiging router where other pcs would connect via switch? right?
[03:15] <Tyrone> paano yon?
[03:16] <Tyrone> opoh
[03:16] <Knightlust> if that's the case, then try installing firestarter or guidedog
[03:16] <Knightlust> it'll handle your nat requirements
[03:16] <Knightlust> http://www.fs-security.com/docs/connection-sharing.php
[03:17] <Knightlust> http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidedog/manual/
[03:17] <Tyrone> na try ko na po yan ayaw parin eh
[03:17] <Knightlust> na-try mo na firestarter's nat?
[03:17] <Knightlust> Terminus: any ideas?
[03:18] <Knightlust> i don't have firestarter or guidedog installed, so i can't walk you through
[03:19] <Terminus> Knightlust: no easy ideas. i'd just throw iptables inside rc.local, configure dhcpd and named. and switch on ip forwarding. =)
[03:20] <Knightlust> but it might be overkill for Tyrone
[03:20] <Tyrone> i try ip forwarding ayaw eh
[03:20] <Terminus> Knightlust: that's why i said no easy ideas. =)
[03:20] <Knightlust> firestarter's the easiest i've tried back then, 3yrs to be exact
[03:20] <Knightlust> Tyrone: try mo muna basic setup ng firestarter
[03:21] <Knightlust> it should connect
[03:21] <Terminus> Knightlust: the first question would be, is the modem a zyxel p-600? is configured as a bridge or nat? you might end up with a double nat.
[03:21] <Tyrone> yes zyxel p600
[03:21] <Knightlust> my p-600's configured by default as bridged
[03:22] <Knightlust> we need to hack it to enable nat, which pldt doesn't support
[03:22] <Terminus> the zyxel p-600 can also be configured as a router (not nat) but i wouldn't expect that on a home connection.
[03:22] <Terminus> IIRC, the password for the zyxel is just 1234. XD
[03:22] <Tyrone> p660
[03:23] <Knightlust> Tyrone: ung pcs mo na naka-connect sa switch, configured ba to connect via dhcp? can it ping the ubuntu machine?
[03:23] <Tyrone> i can access the pldt
[03:23] <Tyrone> static po
[03:23] <Tyrone> internet cafe kasi to
[03:24] <Terminus> ah... so it has a static IP address. does it require PPPoE authentication or not?
[03:25] <Knightlust> heh, this conversation's reminiscent of my at&t call center days
[03:25] <Terminus> ROFL
[03:25] <Tyrone> in my general in wan
[03:25] <Tyrone> name internet
[03:25] <Tyrone> mode routing
[03:25] <Knightlust> Tyrone: ok, so it can ping the pldt box? then it's configured as a router
[03:25] <Tyrone> encapsulation ppoe
[03:25] <Knightlust> kasi kung naka-bridge yung pldt modem mo, hindi mo dapat mapi-ping yan e
[03:26] <Tyrone> tapos in nat setup naman
[03:26] <Terminus> yep. business dsl still use pppoe auth i think. we definitely use it here.
[03:26] <Tyrone> naka active network address translation tapos SUA only
[03:27] <Terminus> Knightlust: manually configuring the ip address while in bridge mode will allow you to access the CPE. =)
[03:27] <Terminus> yep. you'll end up with a double NAT if you use the linux box for NAT as well. not really the best thing to do.
[03:27] <Knightlust> yeah, but won't xyzel automaticall revert to router-mode once you ping(ed) it?
[03:28] <Terminus> Knightlust: nope. i've used it to fool around with the modems at home and here at the office. =)
[03:28] <Tyrone> any luck than i can use the ubuntu ?
[03:28] <Tyrone> by the way
[03:28] <Terminus> PLDT didn't leave me the PL number and password so DOM inspection to the rescue! XD
[03:29] <Tyrone> i want to ubuntu to ack as a squid proxy server
[03:29] <Knightlust> heh, good ol' google did it for me. but i did void the warranty
[03:29] <Knightlust> Tyrone: if you remove the ubuntu machine, can the other clients connect to the internet then?
[03:30] <Tyrone> yes
[03:30] <Knightlust> ok, so router-mode nga sya
[03:30] <Knightlust> then you'll need to read up on iptables
[03:30] <Tyrone> :(
[03:30] <Tyrone> nose bleed na ako sa ip table na yan
[03:30] <Tyrone> hahahahaha
[03:30] <Terminus> Tyrone: there is, but the configuration may be more complex. worst case scenario, you'll have to configure pass-through pppoe and have the linux box do the dialup.
[03:30] <Knightlust> if so, then why would you need a proxy server?
[03:31] <Knightlust> exactly, it'll be easier that way
[03:31] <Knightlust> or, are you trying to instead setup dansguardian?
[03:31] <Tyrone> because here in our internet cafe the online games will lag if somebody use youtube
[03:31] <Tyrone> nope
[03:32] <Knightlust> i see
[03:32] <Tyrone> i have just install squid
[03:33] <Tyrone> matanong ko lang pwd naba install teamviewer dito sa ubuntu 10.10?
[03:33] <Knightlust> have you tried guidedog? it may be more effective than firestarter
[03:33] <Tyrone> papaacess ko sana sainyo to check if the setup is right
[03:33] <Knightlust> afaik, there's a teamviewer client for ubuntu
[03:33] <Knightlust> can't at the moment, am currently at work
[03:34] <Knightlust> but if you setup the ubuntu box for ip passthru, would squid work?
[03:35] <Tyrone> yes
[03:36] <Knightlust> that's beyond me right now. i'll be at home by 6PM, i'll try guidedog or firestarter later
[03:36] <Tyrone> your from manila?
[03:37] <Knightlust> baguio
[03:37] <Tyrone> ahh cool
[03:37] <Tyrone> dati ako sa olongapo city
[03:37] <Tyrone> pero dito na ako sa cagayan de oro
[03:37] <Knightlust> nice. so, how's the weather?
[03:38] <Knightlust> hot, i assume
[03:38] <Tyrone> cloudy
[03:38] <Tyrone> not that hot..\
[03:38] <Tyrone> Knightlust:  by the way in my eth0 gawin ko ba dhcp? tapos yong eth 1 naka static tama po ba?
[03:39] <Terminus> good bandwidth control is typically a very complicated thing.
[03:39] <Knightlust> only if eth0 is the one that's connected to the modem
[03:40] <Tyrone> yes eth0 is connected to it
[03:41] <Knightlust> can the clients ping the ubuntu box?
[03:41] <Tyrone> no
[03:41] <Knightlust> ok, have you tried checking the their netmasks?
[03:42] <Knightlust> or subnet, or whatever term windows uses these days
[03:43] <Tyrone> ang ginawa kong ip ng eth1 is <IP_ADDRESS> sub <IP_ADDRESS> gateway wala..
[03:43] <Knightlust> that may be the problem you have
[03:43] <Knightlust> ok, anong subnet ng clients mo? i would assume it's the same thing
[03:43] <Knightlust> er... any firewall installed on your ubuntu box?
[03:44] <Knightlust> another question, can the clients ping other clients
[03:45] <Knightlust> also, can the clients ping the pldt modem *with* the ubuntu box connected between the modem and the switch
[03:45] <Tyrone> not
[03:45] <Tyrone> no
[03:45] <Tyrone> they cant
[03:45] <Tyrone> the client ip add is <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:46] <Knightlust> can the clients ping each other?
[03:46] <Tyrone> hndi ko pa na try
[03:47] <Tyrone> isang pc palang kasi ni try ko kinabit eh
[03:47] <Knightlust> i see, nvm then
[03:47] <Knightlust> wait, lemme think this through
[03:47] <Tyrone> :)
[03:47] <Tyrone> sorry for disturbing you
[03:48] <Knightlust> np, still compiling anyway
[03:49] <Knightlust> ok, let's try basic troubleshooting
[03:50] <Knightlust> if only we could get the client to ping the ubuntu box
[03:50] <Knightlust> then methinks we'll be halfway through setting up your proxy server
[03:51] <Knightlust> but i see no reason not to be able to ping the ubuntu box, since it doesn't block icmp packets by default
[03:53] <Terminus> Knightlust: you're doing C++ dev?
[03:53] <Knightlust> Terminus: c++, php, java, python
[03:53] <Knightlust> but at the moment, i'm compiling mariadb
[03:54] <Knightlust> Tyrone: can you post the output of ifconfig -a
[03:54] <Knightlust> also netstat -rn
[03:54] <Knightlust> Tyrone: er.. use pastebin pala
[03:57] <Tyrone> Knightlust:  can you use teamviewer to access my ubuntu?
[03:58] <Knightlust> i can, but not at the moment, i'm still at work
[03:58] <Tyrone> ah kk
[03:58] <Terminus> Knightlust: ah... was wondering why you were compiling. =)
[03:58] <Tyrone> anong oras pwd?
[03:59] <Knightlust> 6pm
[03:59] <Knightlust> more or less, depending on my workload
[03:59] <Knightlust> pero at the moment, i don't think it's an ubuntu config problem
[04:00] <Knightlust> more like misconfigured settings
[04:00] <Tyrone> maybe
[04:00] <Tyrone> walang prob sa ubuntu
[04:01] <Knightlust> Tyrone: if you use eth1 to connect to the modem and internet via dhcp, can it connect?
[04:01] <Tyrone> sa settings lang ata to para ma access ng ibang pc yong internet
[04:01] <Tyrone> yes
[04:01] <Knightlust> ok, did you use network manager to setup the static ip address?
[04:02] <Tyrone> yes
[04:02] <Knightlust> wait, i think there's a setting in nm that you need to check
[04:03] <Tyrone> ok
[04:03] <Knightlust> open it up, go to the ipv4 settings tab, click on the routes button
[04:04] <Knightlust> and then there's one little checkbox option at the bottom, forgot what it's called
[04:04] <Knightlust> google images fails me
[04:05] <Tyrone> ok wait
[04:05] <Tyrone> il turn my ubuntu
[04:05] <Knightlust> ayun, check the "use this connection for resources on its network"
[04:05] <Tyrone> kk im using my laptop
[04:05] <Knightlust> http://img259.imageshack.us/i/screenshoteditingipv4ro.png/sr=1
[04:06] <Knightlust> then try pinging the ubuntu box one more time
[04:06] <Knightlust> kung talagang ayaw, i'm out of ideas na
[04:08] <Tyrone> kk access mo lang mamaya ubuntu ko try ko install teamviewer para makita mo setup ng network interfaces ko
[04:09] <Knightlust> ok
[04:09] <Knightlust> see you later then, late na pala ako sa meeting
[04:09] <Knightlust> later guys
[04:11] <Tyrone> kk thanks
[04:13] <Tyrone> Terminus: youthere?
[04:24] <Terminus> Tyrone: yes?
[04:25] <Tyrone> my modem router mode is routing not bridge
[04:26] <Terminus> Tyrone: yep. i got that earlier. your configuration may require reconfiguring the modem as well.
[04:27] <Tyrone> ah ok
[06:48] <Tyrone> hllo
[07:32] <Tyrone> hello
[09:29] <Tyrone> Knightlust: you there?
[10:01] <zakame> hola
[10:02] <zakame> I wonder if natty is good for NAT :P
[10:04] <rstacruz> why wouldnt it be?
[10:04] <Tyrone> hello zakame
[10:04] <Tyrone> thanks god your here
[10:04] <Tyrone> :)
[10:05] <Tyrone> sir pa help naman
[10:05] <zakame> hehe yeah it would be bad for natty if it couldn't do nat
[10:05] <zakame> sure what's the prob?
[10:05] <Tyrone> meron ksi ako ubuntu 10.10
[10:06] <Tyrone> tapos setupko internet modem ubuntu switch then pc
[10:06] <Tyrone> kasu yong pc ayaw maka internet yong ubuntu lang
[10:07] <zakame> ubuntu as a switch? is the ubuntu a desktop or laptop?
[10:08] <Tyrone> desktop
[10:08] <Tyrone> intel board xeon proc
[10:08] <Tyrone> gagawin ko kasi sana proxy server
[10:08] <Tyrone> dito sa cafe namin
[10:08] <zakame> ahh
[10:08] <Tyrone> para yong mag youtube hndi mag lag online games
[10:09] <Tyrone> pwd po kita ma private chat?
[10:09] <zakame> looks like you want to do a network gateway
[10:09] <zakame> not just a switch
[10:09] <Tyrone> parang ganun na po
[10:09] <Tyrone> kasu nose bleed na ako eh
[10:10] <zakame> and maybe some traffic shaping too
[10:10] <Tyrone> sir gusto mo po ma kita meron teamviewr ako
[10:10] <zakame> pwede but I'm on mobile lol
[10:11] <Tyrone> hndi pala pwd ma install teamviewr sa ubuntu
[10:11] <Tyrone> :(
[10:11] <Tyrone> ganun po ba..
[10:11] <zakame> no as in I'm on IRC via my phone hehe
[10:11] <zakame> I could give you a few pointers though
[10:11] <Tyrone> meron thn nag sabi sakin na maganda daw traffic shaping..
[10:12] <Tyrone> ahh kk.. cgi2 il try
[10:12] <zakame> the first thing you have to make sure is that your ubuntu box is ready to do IP forwarding
[10:13] <Tyrone> how to know if its ready sir?
[10:13] <zakame> so you have to see that in /etc/sysctl.conf there's a line
[10:13] <zakame> net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[10:14] <zakame> alternatively you can check on a root prompt
[10:14] <zakame> e.g. sudo sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward
[10:14] <zakame> it has to be set to 1
[10:14] <zakame> so your ubuntu box can forward packets between interface
[10:15] <Tyrone> 0 po lumabas sir
[10:15] <Tyrone> (zero)
[10:16] <zakame> that means your box doesn't forward yet
[10:16] <Tyrone> how can i make it 1 sir?
[10:16] <Tyrone> sorry im new in ubuntu...
[10:16] <zakame> set it via sudo sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[10:17] <Tyrone> done sir
[10:17] <zakame> check it again
[10:17] <Tyrone> its now 1 sir
[10:17] <zakame> cool
[10:18] <zakame> edit /etc/sysctl.conf to have that line (I think it is there already, just commented out)
[10:18] <zakame> so you don't lose that setting across reboots
[10:19] <Tyrone> its set to 1 sir
[10:19] <zakame> cool
[10:19] <Tyrone> nabuksan ko na conf
[10:20] <zakame> then next up is setting up iptables
[10:20] <Tyrone> :(
[10:20] <Tyrone> nose bleed ako jan..
[10:20] <Tyrone> il just do my best...
[10:20] <Tyrone> ano next sir
[10:20] <zakame> iptables by itself is hard, but there's a bunch of packages in debian/ubuntu that ease it somewhat
[10:20] <zakame> what we use in the office here for example is shorewall
[10:21] <Tyrone> ?
[10:21] <Tyrone> pwd yan rin gamitin ko
[10:21] <Tyrone> o hndi pwd?
[10:21] <zakame> yeah you can use that, there's a package
[10:21] <Tyrone> what's the command sir to install it?
[10:22] <zakame> apt-get that, and in a little while you should have a simple shorewall running
[10:22] <zakame> apt-get install shorewall
[10:22] <Tyrone> by the way sir meron na pala na install na squid nito
[10:22] <Tyrone> ok lang ba?
[10:23] <zakame> no prob
[10:23] <Tyrone> done installing
[10:24] <zakame> cool
[10:24] <zakame> now here's a quickstart guide to set up a two-interface firewall doing forwarding from the modem to your lan: http://shorewall.net/two-interface.htm
[10:25] <zakame> I suggest you read it thoroughly first, then try it on the ubuntu box
[10:25] <zakame> you probably need to to set up dhcpd and a dns server later on that same machine as well
[10:26] <Tyrone> wew
[10:26] <zakame> so your client pc boxes can get IP addresses and resolve remote domains
[10:26] <Tyrone> nose bleed nanaman ako nito
[10:26] <Tyrone> hehehe
[10:26] <zakame> hehe
[10:26] <Tyrone> naka static ip mga pc dito sir
[10:26] <zakame> ah no need for dhcpd then
[10:27] <Tyrone> like from pc 1 to 15 ip nila <IP_ADDRESS> then <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:27] <zakame> ah
[10:27] <Tyrone> yan naka setup sakanila sir
[10:27] <zakame> looks like a 192.168.1/24 subnet
[10:27] <Tyrone> prang ganun sir
[10:27] <zakame> you'll need that info once you set the masq
[10:29] <Tyrone> sir kailangan ko ba type lahat andun sa site na binigay mo?
[10:31] <zakame> not really, like i said, read throughly and find what's really needed :)
[10:31] <Tyrone> ok
[10:31] <Tyrone> thank you..
[10:32] <zakame> most important is that you set the /etc/shorewall/{zones,policy,masq}
[10:34] <Tyrone> kk il look for that
[10:35] <Tyrone> sir in eth0 wher the internet connected kailangan ba naka dhcp? then yong eth1 static?
[10:38] <zakame> yeah
[10:39] <Tyrone> ok
[10:40] <Tyrone> sir yong setup pala ng pldt modem is routing tapos pppoe
[10:42] <zakame> oh
[10:43] <zakame> I think you'llneed to replace eth0 then to use pppoe
[10:43] <zakame> if that in another interface
[10:43] <zakame> what does ifconfig -a say?
[10:44] <Tyrone> sir marami naka sulat eh
[10:44] <Tyrone> meron eth0 and eth1
[10:46] <Tyrone> ano po kailangan nyo makita sir para yon nalang lagay ko dito
[11:23] <Tyrone> wew
[11:23] <Tyrone> ayaw parin
[11:23] <Tyrone> hahahaha
[13:12] <Tyrone> hello
[16:38] <Tyrone> weEeeeEe love ubuntu hehee


[04:18] <JoshTriplett> I'm trying to understand how to submit my local changes as a mergeable set of commits rather than as a patch.
[04:18] <JoshTriplett> What have I missed, and how do I tell bzr to include my local commit?
[04:20] <JoshTriplett> Oh, hmmm.  Nevermind, it seems like I misunderstood what it meant by "submit branch" and "public branch".  I interpreted the former as "the repo I want to submit" and the latter as "the public repo I want to submit to", which was completely backwards.
[04:21] <JoshTriplett> Apparently it actually means "the branch to submit to" and "the 'public' repo I'm sending from", even though the latter is actually only on my local system.
[04:22] <JoshTriplett> Is there a conventional name for "bzr send" output?  *.bzr?
[05:09] <bob2> bundle
[05:39] <JoshTriplett> bob2: Ah.  Thanks.
[11:40] <mathrick> hiya
[11:41] <mathrick> whatever happened to 2.6 being released in august 2012?


[04:56] <mup> Bug #1602093 opened: maas webui error updating subnet mtu when dhcp is configured <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602093>
[09:50] <mup> Bug #1602177 opened: used ip addresses on the webui subnet page is offscreen <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602177>
[10:21] <mup> Bug #1602190 opened: Filtering by hostnames is likely to break for large deployments <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602190>
[10:42] <mup> Bug #1602190 changed: Filtering by hostnames is likely to break for large deployments <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602190>
[10:48] <mup> Bug #1602190 opened: Filtering by hostnames is likely to break for large deployments <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602190>
[10:51] <mup> Bug #1602190 changed: Filtering by hostnames is likely to break for large deployments <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602190>
[13:34] <gQuigs> does anyone have more details on why xenial is broken for commissioning on maas 1.9.3? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1573072)
[13:34] <gQuigs> or could it use more debugigng work?
[13:37] <roaksoax> gQuigs: probably becuase xenial is python3 and the commissioning scripts dont run on python3
[13:37] <roaksoax> gQuigs: that said, you shouldn't have xenial as commissioning option
[13:38] <gQuigs> ah, ok
[13:38] <gQuigs> thanks!
[13:39] <gQuigs> that makes sense
[14:34] <kiko> cafaroo, hmm, needs some investigation then
[14:34] <kiko> cafaroo, bladernr may know something about the chassis
[19:30] <mup> Bug #1498503 changed: Not all maas related services removed with apt-get purge <cdo-qa> <MAAS:Opinion by cgregan> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498503>
[20:40] <mup> Bug #1602412 opened: [2.0rc2] Network model misconfigurations can silently break DHCP services <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602412>
[20:40] <mup> Bug #1602413 opened: [trunk] Support for ephemeral boot shouldn't need to use hwe_kernel <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602413>
[21:55] <mup> Bug #1592915 changed: [2.0b6,arm64] maas installs to USB drive if it is present instead of SSD <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1592915>
[23:08] <terje> how is: maas admin nodes-group list
[23:08] <terje> executed in 2.x?


[08:13] <luna> a new podcast episode today?
[08:46] <luna> got an answer on Mastodon its out now
[08:46] <luna> https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-218/
[22:24] <Juest> hey
[22:24] <Juest> what's happening with keyserver.ubuntu.com?
[22:24] <Juest> somehow my secring.gpg is getting nulled when i run --refresh-keys
[23:50] <sarnold> Juest: that's very weird indeed https://paste.debian.net/1306823/
[23:51] <Juest> sarnold: oops, i meant to say that the keyring corrupts when i refresh keys
[23:51] <Juest> on a different distro
[23:51] <sarnold> Juest: heh, i figured that you might have meant pubring instead..
[23:51] <Juest> using latest gpg
[23:51] <Juest> yeah probably
[23:52] <Juest> still, very weird that it still happens after recreating it multiple times
[23:52] <Juest> and even rebooted