[05:41] <goldfish> b0urn3: oh right.... em...
[05:42] <dataw0lf|w> patricf: you don't have write privileges
[05:42] <thoreauputic> shinu: doing a minimal sarge install requires a certain familiarity with apt
[05:42] <dataw0lf|w> patrickf: chmod 700 <directory>
[05:42] <shinu> thoreauputic: but with DSL i would have to kinda get used to it, and the commands...
[05:42] <prego> Anyone using ATI card around here? I would appreciate some help about accelerated drivers.
[05:42] <shinu> thoreauputic: i hardly can use ubuntu...
[05:42] <hasibasi> I_NEED_HELP : i have mounted a fat32 partition how can i open it AND write files to it OR download to it ?
[05:43] <thoreauputic> shinu: Debian is a better choice if you want to learn
[05:43] <patrickf> should I be logged in as root and tip the cmd:  chmod 700 /Privat  ?
[05:43] <nix000> where can i see the list of packages included in ubuntu ala debian.org search pkg pages ?
[05:43] <selinium> Hi all, is it possible to set permission on a folder that cascades down through the sub folders?
[05:43] <transgress> okay i have the fglrx driver set up, but loading DRI fails so i don't get 3daccel
[05:43] <thoreauputic> shinu: DSL is kind of a quick fix
[05:43] <transgress> anyone know of an easy way to fix that?
[05:43] <prego> hasibasi, add users in options in fstab
[05:43] <transgress> w/o recompiling my kernel
[05:43] <shinu> thoreauputic: i shall try debian then :D if not... than.. DSL :D
[05:43] <hasibasi> prego : im n00b :) where how to do that?
[05:44] <prego> hasibasi, how have you mounted the partition?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> selinium: yes, chown -R  user:group <foldername>
[05:44] <transgress> if not debian then dsl?  is dsl a distro now?
[05:44] <hasibasi> sudo mkdir /mnt/mywindrive
[05:44] <hasibasi> then mount it there like this "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda6 /mnt/mywindrive".
[05:44] <hasibasi> then you should be able to see it by doing "ls /mnt/mywindrive"
[05:44] <tremblay> Quick question: What happened to the "enable windows networking" check in Hoary?
[05:44] <b0urn3> goldfish: any clue on how to config gnometorrent?  when i open a torrent it does nothing, and doesnt show up in netstat
[05:44] <thoreauputic> transgress: you can hard drive install it
[05:44] <shinu> how do i check how much ram do i have?
[05:44] <transgress> thoreauputic: eh?
[05:44] <goldfish> b0urn3: you on dsl?
[05:44] <b0urn3> cable
[05:44] <selinium> cheers thoreauputic!
[05:44] <thoreauputic> transgress: Damn Small Linux
[05:44] <transgress> thoreauputic: oh yeah okay.
[05:45] <prego> hasibasi, sure. but you won't be able to write on it unless doing via sudo
[05:45] <thoreauputic> transgress: live CD about 50MB
[05:45] <goldfish> b0urn3: emm, hrmmm, never used it myself, maybe u have have to oppen ports?
[05:45] <transgress> yeah
[05:45] <prego> hasibasi, add following line to your /etc/fstab file (for instance, doing sudo gedit /etc/fstab):
[05:45] <transgress> i know what damn small is... just always used to saying damn small...
[05:45] <transgress> i see dsl i think... broadband
[05:46] <transgress> thoreauputic: what was the hard drive install response to?
[05:46] <prego> hasibasi, /dev/hda6 /mnt/mywindrive vfat rw,uid=1001 0 0
[05:46] <hasibasi> add that to the fstab file?
[05:46] <prego> provided your id is 1001, see your id with id command
[05:46] <prego> hasibasi, yess
[05:46] <thoreauputic> transgress: suggestion as an alternative to minimal Debian install
[05:46] <hasibasi> prego : thanx
[05:46] <hasibasi> prego: can i use it then to write/download/read to/from it ?
[05:47] <prego> hasibasi, then reboot, or unmount and mount again doing "sudo mount /dev/hda6"
[05:47] <transgress> thoreauputic: ah okay
[05:47] <transgress> so is there a way to just kinda get the DRI module?  so i can get firegl accel?
[05:47] <Taggz> Ok, does anyone know where I can get a nvidia graphics driver package for ubuntu? I dont know what one I should get off the nvidia website
[05:47] <prego> hasibasi, should be at /mnt/mywindrive, so just enter to that dir with nautilus or whatever
[05:47] <goldfish> Taggz: www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:47] <transgress> anyone possibly using an ati that has it working well?
[05:48] <dawnfading> hi again
[05:48] <goldfish> Taggz: tells you there :)
[05:48] <Taggz> Cheers big fish
[05:48] <hasibasi> prego: ok thank you i try right away thank you very much :)
[05:48] <dawnfading> i just upgraded to hoary but ran into some trouble with mysql
[05:48] <transgress> i'm so writing a wiki if i can get my ati working
[05:48] <transgress> seeing as there isn't one
[05:48] <dawnfading> i wanted to use mysql 4.1
[05:48] <prego> Taggz, AFAIK there is specific entry in repositories
[05:48] <Xappe> why do you mount in /mnt? isn't it better to use /media so you can get the mount to show up in nautilus/menus/desktop??
[05:48] <prego> Taggz, check nvidia with synaptic
[05:48] <thoreauputic> transgress: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:48] <transgress> although i'm impressed that i'm getting 115fps with glxgears w/o firegl
[05:49] <dawnfading> but i get a warning that it can't locate the server through socket /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock
[05:49] <dawnfading> any ideas?
[05:49] <gunny> fwiw, I have decided that gtk-qt is eeeeevil
[05:49] <transgress> ah interesting
[05:49] <yukito> hey, i am just wondering how to get the ubuntu installer too recognise my raid 0 array, atm it sees both of them, not the HD's as one
[05:49] <transgress> would've been nice if they had more aptly named it
[05:49] <yukito> i wish to keep the current data
[05:49] <tremblay> Quick question: What happened to the "enable windows networking" check in Hoary?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> transgress: indeed
[05:50] <gunny> yukito, just install samba  and smbfs
[05:50] <thoreauputic> transgress: the title betrays a geek's thinking process :)
[05:50] <prego> transgress, which card do you have?
[05:50] <yukito> hmm, what has that got to do with the ubuntu installer recognising the raid 0 array? :(
[05:50] <gunny> oops wrong person
[05:51] <yukito> :/
[05:51] <gunny> I meant that for Tremblay
[05:52] <tremblay> gunny: I just upgraded from Warty. Do I have to reinstall Samba and SMBfs or something?
[05:52] <karl> any reason you think you might have to tremblay?
[05:53] <gunny> tremblay yes
[05:53] <tremblay> Hrmpf.
[05:53] <IIIEars> how do i speed up my ProSavageDDR video card? (glxgears = 280 FPS)
[05:53] <gunny> if you cannot see the windows network or share any files yepper
[05:54] <hasibasi> prego : how do i unmount a partition ?
[05:54] <hendershot> anyone know of a plugin to stream the currently playing track from KEXP.ORG when using xmms or rhythbox?
[05:54] <Taggz> Can someone here help me install these drivers, i dont know the concole commands...
[05:54] <yahalom> can someone tell me if i'm safe to install the 2.6.11 kernel?
[05:54] <yukito> taggz: see 'modprobe'
[05:55] <goldfish> hasibasi: umount ?
[05:55] <tremblay> gunny: I guess I'll do that. But everything was working fine with Warty.. (and smb.conf looks fine)
[05:55] <gunny> hasibasi: umount /dev/whatever
[05:55] <goldfish> Taggz: From apt-get ?
[05:55] <hasibasi> goldfish : i mounted MYWINDRV
[05:55] <goldfish> hasibasi: what gunny said
[05:55] <gunny> tremblay: can you share files?
[05:55] <goldfish> umount /dev/blah
[05:55] <hasibasi> but before that i made a mistake :$
[05:55] <hasibasi> ok thanx
[05:55] <tremblay> gunny: Not anymore.
[05:56] <Gabriel> Hello, I added this repo http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/pure64 to my system but I now miss the key in order to use it, how can I manage to find it and install it?
[05:56] <Taggz> eh whats modprobe yukito? and not from apt-get, ive just downloaded them off the nvidia website, theres a file on my desktop with the drivers
[05:56] <dawnfading> i'm trying to change my xorg.conf file but i can't find it
[05:56] <goldfish> oh rigth
[05:56] <dawnfading> is it possible it doesn't exist?
[05:56] <goldfish> dawnfading: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:56] <gunny> tremblay: thne re-install samba it should pick up your conf file from before but rename it just to make sure
[05:56] <transgress> gonna try restarting X again
[05:56] <dawnfading> yep, but it's not there
[05:57] <dawnfading> goldfish
[05:57] <hasibasi> goldfish : if i mount HDA6 to /mnt/mywindrv i see 2 drives in the /mnt dir CALLED : HDA6 and MYWINDRV is this OK ?
[05:57] <goldfish> dawnfading: have u upgraded from warty?
[05:57] <gunny> if it didnt exist, X woudln't start
[05:57] <dawnfading> i upgraded from warty
[05:57] <dawnfading> indeed
[05:57] <Alfred1881> hey all, i want to upgrade OpenOffice.org, do i need to delete the  previouw version
[05:57] <goldfish> dawnfading: i had the same problem
[05:57] <b0urn3> ok..one more time...can anyone tell me how to configure gnome-torrent ?
[05:57] <goldfish> dawnfading: ur prolly still using xfree
[05:57] <dawnfading> phew, i thought i was going crazy
[05:57] <b0urn3> or point me in the right direction?
[05:57] <thoreauputic> Alfred1881: no
[05:57] <goldfish> dawnfading: X -version
[05:58] <goldfish> dawnfading: run that command
[05:58] <yukito> guess noone knows about my prob, thanks anyways
[05:58] <goldfish> see what it says
[05:58] <hasibasi> goldfish : if i mount HDA6 to /mnt/mywindrv i see 2 drives in the /mnt dir CALLED : HDA6 and MYWINDRV is this OK ?
[05:58] <dawnfading> XFree86 Version <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:58] <shinu> uh...
[05:58] <goldfish> hasibasi: emmmmm, dunno
[05:58] <goldfish> :)
[05:58] <Alfred1881> thoreauputic does it remove by itsself
[05:58] <gunny> B0urne: you have to have a torrent file to open 1st
[05:58] <goldfish> dawnfading: yeah thought so
[05:58] <shinu> just discovered the comp had 48 ram 0.o
[05:59] <dawnfading> is it bad doctor ;-)
[05:59] <shinu> one of the ram bars didnt work ...
[05:59] <goldfish> dawnfading: dunno why it happens
[05:59] <hyapadi> how to upgrade an software? i mean using dpkg
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Alfred1881: if you use apt/synaptic, yes
[05:59] <goldfish> dawnfading: no, u just gotta apt-get xorg manually
[05:59] <Alfred1881> tar.gz
[05:59] <thoreauputic> hyapadi: don't use dpkg, use apt or synaptic
[06:00] <b0urn3> gunny: yup...got one saved to the desktop folder
[06:00] <dawnfading> goldfish, is that the precise apt-get command?
[06:00] <goldfish> dawnfading: nope :)
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Alfred1881: why are you using tar.gz?
[06:00] <dawnfading> how do i go about then?
[06:00] <b0urn3> gunny: when i double click on it, nothing happens...same if i open it from gnome-torrent
[06:00] <goldfish> dawnfading: em, gimmie a minute :)
[06:00] <Alfred1881> it's from its webside
[06:00] <dawnfading> sure :-)
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Alfred1881: Open Office is in synaptic::  use the package manager
[06:01] <gunny> bourne: hmmm, I haven't had any issues with it, sorry can't troubleshoot it for you
[06:01] <Burgundavia> b0urn3, what are you trying to do?
[06:01] <gunny> bourne: are you running firestarter by any chance?
[06:01] <c0nqvistad0r> Anyone knows how to autoidentify a nick when you enter a channel?
[06:01] <hyapadi> i mean i download the .deb from skype.com and want to upgrade my skype. how?
[06:01] <Burgundavia> hyapadi, apt-get install package.deb
[06:02] <hyapadi> oh ok2
[06:02] <gunny> dpkg -i package.deb
[06:02] <b0urn3> Burgandavia:  i'm trying to get gnome-torrent to run...first time running it...when i open a torrent, nothing happens either when i open it from gnome-torrent or when i just double click on the .torrent file
[06:02] <Burgundavia> oops
[06:02] <hyapadi> [23:02]  <gunny> dpkg -i package.deb <-- this one for installing, if upgrade?
[06:02] <tremblay> gunny: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart -- fixed it.
[06:02] <Burgundavia> b0urn3, you running warty or hoary?
[06:02] <gunny> tremblay :great
[06:03] <thoreauputic> hyapadi: for installing  adeb package
[06:03] <b0urn3> gunny:  i don't believe i'm running firestarter...i just installed hoary yesterday for the first time
[06:03] <gunny> hypadi:yes
[06:03] <hyapadi> so upgrade and install is the same? should i remove the old one first? or just install over it?
[06:03] <goldfish> dawnfading: apt-get install xserver-xorg
[06:03] <Burgundavia> hyapadi, install over it
[06:04] <rottis> is'nt xorg already in ubuntu?
[06:04] <goldfish> in hoary yes
[06:04] <yahalom> rottis, yes
[06:04] <hyapadi> ok thx
[06:04] <b0urn3> Burgundavia, hoary
[06:04] <rottis> is n't*
[06:04] <goldfish> but he upgraded from warty
[06:04] <rottis> aa ok
[06:04] <goldfish> i had the same problem
[06:04] <goldfish> for some reason
[06:04] <transgress> grar... did everything in that wiki and still can't load DRI
[06:04] <Burgundavia> b0urn3, it should just work. Try another torrent file
[06:05] <thoreauputic> goldfish: possibly ubuntu-desktop was missing
[06:05] <goldfish> thoreauputic: hmmmm, maybe, i just ha to apt-get xorg manually, and everything worked fine.
[06:05] <Philuk86> can anyone tell me how i can stop ubuntu using dhcp at bootup when bringing eth0 up
[06:06] <dawnfading> goldfish, i got some errors with apt-get
[06:06] <dawnfading> trying with synaptic now
[06:06] <goldfish> hmmm
[06:06] <goldfish> ok
[06:06] <thoreauputic> Philuk86: if you don't need dhcp at all, just uninstall it
[06:06] <b0urn3> burgundavia:  i tried a different one....a spot in my taskbar shows up to say it's opening...then it disapears and nothing happens
[06:07] <JackandJohn> Can anyone help me with mounting an existing hard drive from the a64 live cd?
[06:07] <Burgundavia> b0urn3, hmm
[06:07] <Alfred1881> can i find a OOo-rpm
[06:07] <Philuk86> thoreauputic: i want dhcp but i just dont want it to bring up the eth0 on bootup
[06:07] <dawnfading> goldfish should i just check the X version again?
[06:07] <b0urn3> is there a way to open it from the command line?
[06:07] <goldfish> dawnfading: did it install ok?
[06:07] <dawnfading> think so
[06:07] <goldfish> ok
[06:07] <dawnfading> at least i have the xorg.conf file now
[06:08] <goldfish> ok
[06:08] <goldfish> dawnfading: try x version.
[06:08] <dawnfading> thanks goldfish!
[06:08] <goldfish> did it work?
[06:08] <dawnfading> X window system version 6.8.2
[06:08] <yahalom> anyone here use dansguardian with ubuntu?
[06:08] <goldfish> dawnfading: kk, cool.
[06:08] <dawnfading> looks fine with me
[06:08] <dawnfading> phew
[06:08] <JackandJohn> specifically; I have hdax and hdbx in /dev, but they give "couldn't display" and show Xs
[06:08] <dawnfading> good thing i don't have to upgrade every week
[06:09] <tremblay> I guess the only reliable way to play (Windows) games in Ubuntu is to shell out cash for Cedega, right?
[06:09] <goldfish> dawnfading: :)
[06:09] <b0urn3> Burgundavia, is there a way to open it from the command line so i can see any error messages that aren't being shown through gnome?
[06:09] <CarlK> dcraven - here is that "what you still need
[06:09] <CarlK> dcraven - here is that "what you still need" for mambo http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Apr28/mambosetup.html
[06:09] <dawnfading> i'm going to try to get those fonts smooth
[06:09] <dawnfading> see what happens
[06:10] <Gunnyman> tremblay: check the thread on how to install wine cvs in the forums
[06:10] <Gunnyman> my wine is much faster now that I did that
[06:10] <Burgundavia> b0ol_, gnome-bt I think
[06:11] <guupsta> is agp set to 8x (if possible) by default on fglrx?
[06:11] <I_need_help> help
[06:11] <I_need_help> anyone
[06:12] <tremblay> Will do, Gunnyman.
[06:12] <Gunnyman> tremblay: lots of great commercial games for linux too
[06:12] <Myrtti> I_need_help: you're not going to get any if you insist on trying to send the question telepathically
[06:13] <mae> can someone tell me if they get an apache webserver at this ip please: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[06:13] <Sebi> hi
[06:13] <tremblay> Gunnyman: What do you mean by "great commercial games"?
[06:13] <guupsta> ie. UT2004
[06:13] <Gunnyman> Unreal Tourney 2k4, doom 3 america's army, alll run native linux
[06:13] <CarlK> mae - nope
[06:14] <Sebi> mae:  "the document contains no data"
[06:14] <mae> can someone tell me if they get an apache webserver at this ip please: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ <- try that :)
[06:14] <JackandJohn> how is doom3 in linux, comparativly?
[06:14] <rottis> mae: if its your ip
[06:14] <snowblink> mae, http://www.netcraft.com/
[06:14] <Gunnyman> the demo ran faster on linux than in windows jack
[06:14] <mae> they are both my ips.
[06:14] <CarlK> mae - you want a port scan off some range?
[06:14] <rottis> kk
[06:14] <spiral> does anyone know if I can tell my system to use a specific dns only for a specific domain name
[06:14] <spiral> .
[06:14] <spiral> .
[06:14] <spiral> ?
[06:15] <spiral> rhah... damned keyboard, sorry
[06:15] <rottis> check /var/www
[06:15] <JackandJohn> Gunnyman; Nice, glad to hear
[06:15] <rottis> or /etc/apache/htdocs/
[06:15] <mae> CarlK, nah i just got a new internet service and its unclear which ip is accessible from the world.
[06:15] <Gunnyman> ut2k4 runs faster on my linux than in windows too
[06:15] <CarlK> mae - that first IP has more ports open than I have ever seen ;)
[06:15] <rottis> or /usr/local/apache/htdocs :)
[06:15] <JackandJohn> mae: look up domain dossier
[06:15] <rottis> you guys use nmap for portscans? :)
[06:15] <JackandJohn> mae: it's a site that will probe your host/ip externally for you
[06:15] <CarlK> mae nmap <IP_ADDRESS>|wc 1540
[06:16] <Gunnyman> open GL kicks Direct X's buttocks
[06:16] <thoreauputic> mae: I get an index of apache default: you need to set document root?
[06:16] <JackandJohn> Gunnyman: Agreed.. too bad ms has a puttet string on it
[06:16] <JackandJohn> *puppet
[06:16] <Gunnyman> yeah
[06:16] <ivoks> hi folks
[06:16] <rottis> hi
[06:16] <guupsta> my radeon9700pro keeps freezing with firegl
[06:16] <Gunnyman> I play X Box for most games these days but the ones linux has to offer rock
[06:16] <mae> thoreauputic, on the second url right?
[06:17] <Gunnyman> John Carmack likes Linux ;)
[06:17] <thoreauputic> mae: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[06:17] <mae> ok cool
[06:17] <JackandJohn> MS is running unix for thier xbox 360 game sdk.. dual mac g5
[06:17] <rottis> wow <IP_ADDRESS> has reaally lots ports :D
[06:18] <mae> the 177 address i have no control over, its my retarded satellite modem
[06:18] <rottis> ok lol :D
[06:18] <rottis> 5900/tcp  open     vnc
[06:18] <rottis> hmm it has vnc?
[06:18] <ivoks> hehe
[06:18] <tekkah> vnc exploit!
[06:18] <mae> mind doing a portscan on 178 and see how it looks?
[06:18] <mae> i have shorewall setup tight so.
[06:19] <I_need_help> anyone
[06:19] <I_need_help> tell me
[06:19] <I_need_help> who know
[06:19] <rottis> what
[06:19] <I_need_help> what is problem
[06:19] <Burgundavia> I_need_help, what do you need help with?
[06:19] <rottis> Dont flood
[06:19] <I_need_help> sorry
[06:19] <rottis> one line all plz
[06:19] <rottis> ok whats the prob
[06:19] <rottis> lol
[06:19] <ivoks> Gunnyman :)
[06:20] <Gunnyman> irc is much more fun with emotes :D
[06:20] <rottis> mae: 178 have many ports too :DD
[06:20] <mae> rottis: hehe
[06:20] <JackandJohn> gar.. how do I mount a fat16 partition (hda7) from the livecd?
[06:20] <eaon> Is Henry Nilsen Omma here at the moment?
[06:21] <rottis> mount /dev/hda7 /mnt/hda7 dont work?
[06:21] <Gunnyman> me busts out the tea leaves and tarot cards
[06:21] <rottis> but i think its already mounted..
[06:21] <goldfish> what the hell is emotes?
[06:21] <mae> rottis: well it should have www,ftp,ssh only from the outside :
[06:21] <rottis> lol :D
[06:21] <rottis> :)
[06:21] <ivoks> mae ftp?
[06:21] <ivoks> i wouldn't leave ftp...
[06:21] <eaon> Apparently not
[06:21] <mae> ivoks, anonftp
[06:21] <JackandJohn> omfg.. lol.. here I was in fstab, and all over the place
[06:22] <ivoks> mae ah, ok then
[06:22] <mae> and its vsftpd
[06:22] <mae> :)
[06:22] <rottis> whats your network speeds?
[06:22] <mae> my satellite eonnection isnt too reliable to grab large files via http.. ftp is more reliable
[06:22] <patrickf> I want to format my harddisc with "fdisk", the programm asks me for the first Zylinder, what should I write, 1?
[06:22] <ivoks> vsftpd rulz
[06:23] <ivoks> mae sftp than
[06:23] <rottis> fdisk /dev/hda then d 1 d 2 and like that
[06:23] <hasibasi> I_NEED_HELP : i cant untar the vpnclient from cisco with ubuntu
[06:23] <mae> ivoks, sftp has too much encryption overhead :)
[06:24] <ivoks> mae :))
[06:24] <mae> if i want to sftp i can i have ssh up
[06:24] <patrickf> Should the first zyl. be 1 ?
[06:25] <hasibasi> how do i untar? the vpnclient file ?
[06:25] <ivoks> mae ? did understand that sentece :)
[06:25] <ivoks> mae ah... now i get it... u miss couple of , and . :)
[06:25] <CarlK> phpinfo shows  Configure Command   '../configure...--without-mysql' - do I need to do something more than apt-get install php4-mysql ? (cuz I did, but phpinfo doesnt show anything about mysql)
[06:26] <thoreauputic> hasibasi: if its just a tar file, tar xf <file>
[06:26] <mae> ivoks, I was just saying that I can sftp because i have openssh running
[06:26] <ivoks> mae i know
[06:26] <mae> :)
[06:26] <thoreauputic> hasibasi: if it's a tar.gz , tar xvzf <file>
[06:26] <selinium> thoreauputic: can i use chmod in the same way?
[06:26] <Myrtti> I guess he's still trying to use telepathics
[06:26] <thoreauputic> selinium:  recursively? Yes
[06:27] <hasibasi> thoreauputic : It is a tar.gz file
[06:27] <selinium> Lovely!
[06:27] <thoreauputic> hasibasi: then the answer is above
[06:27] <hasibasi> ok thanks i try
[06:27] <transgress> for the first time since i put linux on this box I have 3d support
[06:27] <Gunnyman> woooot
[06:27] <transgress> woo freaking hoo!
[06:27] <I_need_help> anyone know what is wrong i cant see when i install ubuntu
[06:27] <JackandJohn> wow.. only took me 20min to dl my drivers and put them on a fat16 partition.. lol, well, I'm getting better
[06:27] <I_need_help> cant see tutorials
[06:27] <transgress> okay what's the command for starting open office?
[06:27] <guupsta> err
[06:27] <JackandJohn> tx everybody
[06:28] <I_need_help> anyone who is good with this  msg me
[06:28] <Sionide> openoffice ?
[06:28] <transgress> particularly the writer part?
[06:28] <transgress> i thought it was like OOw
[06:28] <thoreauputic> transgress: for the word processor, oowriter
[06:28] <transgress> ah okay
[06:28] <Sionide> mmm
[06:28] <Bazzi> transgress "ooffice" should also work
[06:28] <ivoks> heh
[06:28] <ivoks> oowriter2
[06:29] <I_need_help> anyone
[06:29] <ivoks> ooffice2
[06:29] <I_need_help> who have 2 os
[06:29] <I_need_help> on
[06:29] <thoreauputic> oo <tab> <tab> for full instructions ;)
[06:29] <I_need_help> pc
[06:29] <I_need_help> msg me
[06:29] <ivoks> I_need_help sorry, i have three :(
[06:29] <guupsta> :/
[06:29] <ivoks> and it isn't pc :)
[06:29] <Gunnyman> wow allofmp3.com's windows interface works flawlessly on wine!
[06:30] <I_need_help> come on ptv
[06:30] <thoreauputic> I_need_help: no one is going to /msg you - keep it in the channel, please
[06:30] <ivoks> he is sick
[06:30] <ivoks> he allways repeats ok, tell me
[06:30] <ivoks> ok, tell me
[06:30] <ivoks> non-stop
[06:30] <ivoks> :)
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> a great many people boot to more then one os I_need_help , they normally use grub or LILO as their boot manager.
[06:31] <mae> hmm
[06:31] <ivoks> Dr_Willis hm...
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:31] <ivoks> Dr_Willis lilo and grub work only on 32bit Intel-comp. PC
[06:32] <thoreauputic> ivoks: yaboot can dual boot easily as well
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> ivoks,  Hmm.. I was useing Grub on my AMD64 pc its 64bit. for a PowerPC machine.. i forget what i used on my imac.. yaboot. I belive.
[06:32] <thoreauputic> ivoks: for example
[06:32] <Gunnyman> yaboot on my powerbook
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> I think theres a 2nd alternative for PowerPC. but cant rember what it is off hand. :P
[06:32] <ivoks> Dr_Willis grub works on amd64? hm..
[06:32] <ivoks> Dr_Willis yaboot is for mac
[06:33] <thoreauputic> Dr_Willis: for Old World machines I think, yes
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> ivoks,  im useing grub now and its an AMD64 machine.
[06:33] <ivoks> did anyone tried to create and boot from 4TB big partition?
[06:33] <ivoks> on a 32bit PC
[06:33] <thoreauputic> ivoks: I think he knows yaboot is for mac
[06:33] <I_need_help> anyone know how to configure
[06:33] <I_need_help> ubuntu to take
[06:33] <I_need_help> space partiton from xp
[06:33] <I_need_help> and make that self
[06:34] <I_need_help> or i must make with
[06:34] <Bachus9000> I've got several partition mounted in /mnt (eg /mnt/documents, /mnt/data).  Since I installed Hoary GNOME has identified these in Nautilus (computer://) and the file open/save dialgos as "5.4G Media" or "732M Media" or something else like that.  Last night I turned the pc on and Ubuntu was instead listing them as their mount point (eg Windows in place of 5.4G Media or Documents instead of 732M Media), and it also displayed these volumes on
[06:34] <Bachus9000> the desktop and in the "Places" menu.  Today it has reverted to the previous behavior.  In the short time I used it I decided I rather like the new behavior and would like to know how to get it back. :)
[06:34] <goldfish> woah.
[06:34] <I_need_help> partion  mag
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> I_need_help,  you mean 'resize an existing xp partition to make it smaller?'
[06:34] <I_need_help> yes
[06:34] <I_need_help> exactly
[06:34] <I_need_help> that
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Bachus9000: umm-- a bit too big a chunk at once, methinks
[06:34] <nix000> why do i get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! linux-headers-2.6.10-5 linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386" i am running hoary and i dbl checked my apt sources
[06:34] <I_need_help> just xandros
[06:34] <ivoks> I_need_help collect money and learn english
[06:34] <Xappe> Bachus9000: try a /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[06:35] <I_need_help> work on my machine
[06:35] <I_need_help> ivoks
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> I_need_help,  ive used 'qt_parted' and the "Linuxrescuecd" to do such a task.
[06:35] <Rydekull> Bachus9000: wow, I really dont know your answer but compliments on the great way on giving much info when asking a questions
[06:35] <ivoks> nix000 i get that today too
[06:35] <Gunnyman> did you get gpg keys for those sources nix000?
[06:35] <Rydekull> Bachus9000: though, do not paste it in at the same time :)
[06:35] <I_need_help> be nice and dont speak like that
[06:35] <guupsta> I_need_help: just use the partition magic
[06:35] <I_need_help> that is not nice word
[06:35] <nix000> Gunnyman, no idea where gpg gets involved !
[06:35] <transgress> it is so time to isntall unreal2k4
[06:35] <Gunnyman> nix: hwat sources?
[06:35] <ivoks> nix000 what mirror do u use?
[06:35] <Gunnyman> er what sources?
[06:36] <selinium> hi all, can I have some recommendations for a ssh program
[06:36] <selinium> :)
[06:36] <nix000> ivoks, no mirrors !
[06:36] <ivoks> i use croatian archive
[06:36] <ivoks> and yestrday it worked ok
[06:36] <ivoks> today it says same thing
[06:36] <nix000> ivoks, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[06:36] <goldfish> selinium: ssh program?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> selinium: openssh-server ?
[06:37] <Gunnyman> woah
[06:37] <CarlK> yes
[06:37] <Rydekull> selinium: ssh, or putty i'd guess if you're asking for a client
[06:37] <transgress> bash: ./linux-installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[06:37] <selinium> goldfish: I come from a windows background... I would have used Putty. I will give it a go
[06:37] <transgress> anyone know what that would mean?
[06:37] <goldfish> selinium: oh right.
[06:37] <thoreauputic> selinium: ssh is ssh if you know what I mean...
[06:38] <transgress> it's the installer for unreal that i know works
[06:38] <goldfish> selinium: ssh from terminal.
[06:38] <Bachus9000> Stop and starting dbus-1 has given me the desired results.  Now how can I do this reliably on each boot?
[06:38] <Gunnyman> combine language barrier with lack of knowlege of IRC and watch the fireworks ;)
[06:38] <ivoks> transgress is there /bin/sh?
[06:38] <goldfish> selinium: it's installed already.
[06:38] <thoreauputic> selinium: ssh can use other programs (nautilus is one example among many)
[06:38] <ivoks> transgress chmod +x linux-instaler.sh ./linux-instaler.sh
[06:38] <dantheman> @find streetcar
[06:38] <Bachus9000> *Stopping, rather. :)
[06:38] <Xappe> Bachus9000: that I do not know. I do that restart after each reboot/logging into gnome
[06:39] <Balduran> hello
[06:39] <thoreauputic> selinium: do you need an ssh server or just a client?
[06:39] <ivoks> ssh program for linux :)
[06:40] <CarlK> have you tried typing ssh?
[06:40] <nix000> ivoks, now it started working !!!
[06:40] <ivoks> it's like graphic interface for windows :)
[06:40] <ivoks> nix000 mine too
[06:40] <ivoks> nix000 Ign file: apt-build Release.gpg
[06:40] <Balduran> are there standardly all isdn things installed on ubuntu ?
[06:40] <Rydekull> selinium: if you are running hoary and X you can use putty in ubuntu aswell :)
[06:40] <Balduran> or do i have to install more things for using an isdn card
[06:40] <ivoks> lol
[06:40] <b0xii> Is there a floppy install available for hoary?  If so, where would I go about finding them?  I'd rather not download the entire CD if they are located there.
[06:41] <thoreauputic> ivoks: not necessarily: to use ssh to another box the other box needs openssh-server
[06:41] <CarlK> b0xii - no
[06:41] <selinium> thoreauputic: just a client. I am trying to talk to my root server. The reason I changed to linux was because I now have a root server and thought I had better learn it
[06:41] <ivoks> thoreauputic ?
[06:41] <CarlK> b0xii - closetes you can get is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[06:41] <ivoks> thrace what are u trying to tell me?
[06:41] <b0xii> CarlK: thank you... that bites
[06:41] <thoreauputic> ivoks: you can't connect to a client, mate
[06:41] <ivoks> selinium good move
[06:42] <ivoks> thoreauputic really? that's odd :)
[06:42] <ivoks> AFAIK putty isn't server, and man asked for something like putty on linux
[06:42] <thoreauputic> ivoks: my point being, the server is not installed by defaukt
[06:42] <thoreauputic> *default
[06:42] <ivoks> that funny, couse, ssh client is almost standard app
[06:42] <goldfish> aye
[06:43] <goldfish> it's only an apt-get away.
[06:43] <blueprism> is there anyway to detect a built wlan adapter i should have in my laptop (according to the spec from the factory ) ?
[06:43] <ivoks> thoreauputic i know, mate, i'm linux sysadmin :) not desktop user :)
[06:43] <ivoks> blueprism linux will detect it
[06:43] <ivoks> blueprism but will it work... that's another question
[06:43] <dmpohlman> can anybody tell me how to add a permanent route statement
[06:43] <Gunnyman> dammit jim I'ma  doctor not a magician
[06:44] <blueprism> ivoks any way to confirm it ?
[06:44] <blueprism> its a acer laptop
[06:44] <CarlK> blueprism - don't suppose it is on the usb buss?
[06:44] <ivoks> blueprism lspci will tell u everything
[06:44] <ivoks> blueprism lspci | grep Network
[06:44] <CarlK> friend has some laptops that use the usb buss for the built in wifi - mandrake didn't use it
[06:44] <blueprism> ivoks can only find a ordinary Ethernet controller
[06:45] <blueprism> CarlK well according to acfer my Travelmate 2302LC
[06:45] <blueprism> should have builtin wifi
[06:45] <CarlK> blueprism - try lsusb
[06:45] <selinium> So which is the best client for me to use then?
[06:45] <ivoks> blueprism then u don't have wifi card
[06:45] <ivoks> selinium ssh
[06:45] <blueprism> CarlK it only display the default 4 busses
[06:45] <CarlK> ivoks - not quiet... readwhat I just said...
[06:45] <ivoks> selinium man, open the term and enter ssh
[06:46] <CarlK> blueprism - do you have 4 usb ports?
[06:46] <Jimmothy> Gunnyman: ?
[06:46] <ivoks> CarlK u are kidding me, right? :)
[06:46] <CarlK> ivoks - no
[06:46] <blueprism> CarlK only 2
[06:46] <ivoks> CarlK what idiots do that? :)
[06:46] <Gunnyman> nothing just a joke Jimmothy
[06:46] <thoreauputic> selinium: just do ssh <your server>
[06:46] <selinium> Cheers ivoks, i already have but it is always worth asking before getting used to a particular package :)
[06:47] <CarlK> ivoks - my toshiba 6100 has 2 ports, but lsusb shows 3 because the built in SD card reader is a usb device
[06:47] <selinium> thoreauputic && ivoks: Cheers again for your help guys
[06:47] <ivoks> selinium openssh is the name of program, and u run it with command "ssh"
[06:47] <ivoks> selinium it has a lot features
[06:47] <ivoks> selinium like passwordless login, etc...
[06:47] <CarlK> ivoks - but it is some closed thing that has 0 linux support :(
[06:48] <Balduran> why does my pc crash at loading the hotplug subsystem at ubuntu starting
[06:48] <ivoks> CarlK mine lsusb has 4 buses, but i got only 2 ports
[06:48] <CarlK> ivoks - I would surf around and try to find how your wifi is connected
[06:48] <CarlK> ivoks - and hope you dont find "usb" :)
[06:49] <ivoks> CarlK mine wifi is well supported and running under linux
[06:49] <ivoks> intel prowireless 2200B/G
[06:49] <CarlK> wait.. who had wifi trouble?
[06:49] <ivoks> CarlK not me :)
[06:49] <blueprism> CarlK me
[06:49] <blueprism> :O
[06:49] <CarlK> oh yeah...
[06:49] <thoreauputic> Balduran: do  dmesg | grep hotplug or run dmesg | less and see what's happening when it crashes
[06:49] <ivoks> CarlK i'm too long in linux world to have any problems :)
[06:50] <blueprism> CarlK or well trying to figure if the facory specifications is wrong
[06:50] <CarlK> ivoks - know anything about wifi on usb?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> ivoks: except humility problems ;-)
[06:50] <ivoks> CarlK nope
[06:50] <CarlK> ivoks - or my 6100 SD card reader - that would help me
[06:50] <_Otaku> HI!
[06:50] <ivoks> thoreauputic humility? wait.. i need dictionary for that :)
[06:51] <thoreauputic> ivoks: I'm not surprised :)
[06:51] <RichG> I think I did something wrong when I was creating a user account while I was installing. When Ubuntu booted for the first time, I had to make a new user using groupadd & useradd, but now entering mine/root's password when prompted to when opening Synaptic etc. doesn't work.
[06:51] <ivoks> thoreauputic fuck, nowhere around... what that means? :)
[06:51] <ivoks> CarlK wouldn't know... look under usb-storage driver
[06:52] <thoreauputic> ivoks: try running  ` dict humility` ;-)
[06:52] <CarlK> ivoks - been there... gave up after a while
[06:53] <ivoks> thoreauputic LOL :)
[06:53] <Balduran> if i want to install an isdn card what i have to do???
[06:53] <Burgundavia> RichG, the first account your created was a normal user account
[06:53] <Balduran> i mean do i use special software or something else
[06:54] <ivoks> a lack of false pride
[06:54] <ivoks> :)
[06:54] <Burgundavia> RichG, there is no root password in Ubuntu by default
[06:54] <Balduran> or can i use it now like a ethernet card
[06:54] <RichG> Burgundavia: I checked /etc/passwd and it didn't exist
[06:55] <ivoks> CarlK i stoped beeing humble when a guy smashed my car :)
[06:56] <ivoks> thoreauputic u are developer?
[06:56] <CarlK> ivoks - now you are confusing me with someone who cares ;)
[06:56] <thoreauputic> ivoks: no:) I'm an artist, supposedly. I write a few bash scripts ;-)
[06:56] <ivoks> this shatz is killing me :((
[06:57] <surlyesque> Balduran: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto
[06:57] <ivoks> CarlK :)
[06:57] <ivoks> CarlK sorry
[06:57] <Gunnyman> what is the gnome equivilant of ctrl-alt-esc  for killing stuck programs?
[06:57] <cbr_> hi
[06:57] <ivoks> did e\anyone had shatz around his neck?
[06:57] <CarlK> ivoks - me too - bit harsh of me - sorry to hear about your car
[06:58] <cbr_> i need some help with my prism2_usb wlan adapter
[06:58] <ivoks> CarlK who cares about car, i'm woried about my neck :(
[06:58] <cbr_> im tryin since 2 weeks to get this sucking stick to work
[06:58] <CarlK> ivoks - ugh
[06:58] <CarlK> cbr_ - how timely - we was just talking about usb-wifi
[06:58] <Balduran> surlyesque: thank you
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Gunnyman: use xkill from a terminal, or the applet you can put on the panel
[06:58] <cbr_> nice =)
[06:59] <Gunnyman> thanks
[06:59] <surlyesque> cbr_: check info here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4041.html
[06:59] <CarlK> cbr_ - well, noting good came of it
[06:59] <cbr_> hehe thats my problem
[06:59] <RichG> I think I did something wrong when I was creating a user account while I was installing. When Ubuntu booted for the first time, I had to make a new user using groupadd & useradd, but now entering mine/root's password when prompted to when opening Synaptic etc. doesn't work.
[07:00] <surlyesque> balduran: welcome
[07:00] <ivoks> well.. apt-cache search prism is quite... hm... big :)
[07:00] <ivoks> linux-wlan-ng - utilities for wireless prism2 cards
[07:00] <ivoks> linux-wlan-ng-doc - documentation for wlan-ng
[07:00] <ivoks> hostap-source - Host AP driver for Intersil Prism2/2.5/3
[07:00] <ivoks> hostap-utils - Utility programs for Host AP driver for Intersil Prism2/2.5/3
[07:00] <Burgundavia> RichG, Ubuntu uses sudo
[07:00] <Beano> ivoks try apt-cache dump :)
[07:00] <ivoks> it's much better supported than ipw2200
[07:00] <Balduran> surlyesque: that was a how to for warty or how the older ubuntu is called, and i have hedgehog
[07:00] <Burgundavia> RichG, the account created during install is the only user that can use sudo by default
[07:01] <ivoks> Beano :)
[07:01] <tbasten> Um, i needs someone who knows alot about ubuntu+xorg
[07:01] <Burgundavia> RichG, that user is a basic user
[07:01] <Burgundavia> RichG, the root account is disabled by default
[07:01] <tbasten> dcraven, dude
[07:01] <wastrel> i use ipw2200
[07:01] <Beano> its a bit bigger :P
[07:01] <RichG> Burgundavia: well that user wasn't created for some reason. can you tell me what I need to add to my sudoers file please?
[07:01] <wastrel> what should i be using ivoks?
[07:01] <Beano> Streamripper is the sex
[07:01] <tbasten> dcraven, cannt seem to get my s3 card to work
[07:01] <thoreauputic> Beano: just as well I know about ctrl-C ;-)
[07:01] <amichai> anyone know how i can download a kernel? apt-cache search what?
[07:01] <tbasten> dcraven, doesnt seem to be any modules for it
[07:01] <Burgundavia> RichG, I highly doubt it, but reboot into rescue mode and edit the sudoers file with visudo
[07:02] <Beano> thoreauputic, lol :P
[07:02] <amichai> apt-cache search linux-kernel?
[07:02] <thandavarayan> amichai: which version
[07:02] <RichG> Burgundavia: I already have root access. I did an expert install
[07:02] <Burgundavia> RichG, try logging in as the user mentioned in the file first though
[07:02] <amichai> thandavarayan, i want to get the 686 one
[07:02] <Burgundavia> RichG, oh, that is differenet
[07:02] <thandavarayan> amichai: source or pre-built
[07:02] <Burgundavia> RichG, why did you go and do that?
[07:02] <amichai> thandavarayan, do u know if 4.6.11 is supported?
[07:02] <amichai> thandavarayan, prebuilt
[07:02] <RichG> Burgundavia: to have more control...?
[07:02] <ivoks> wastrel ?
[07:02] <Burgundavia> RichG, are you using this as a desktop?
[07:03] <thandavarayan> amichai: 4.6.11 ----
[07:03] <RichG> Burgundavia: yes
[07:03] <ivoks> 4.6.11?
[07:03] <Burgundavia> RichG, the expert install is for servers
[07:03] <thandavarayan> amichai: I don't get that version number
[07:03] <wastrel> ivoks you said ipw2200 isn't well supported
[07:03] <ivoks> no such thing
[07:03] <Burgundavia> RichG, anyway, taht is water under the bridge
[07:03] <Burgundavia> RichG, see what username is in the sudoers file
[07:03] <ivoks> wastrel no. i said prism2 is better supported than ipw2200
[07:03] <thoreauputic> amichai: you have a time machine?
[07:03] <wastrel> ah
[07:03] <amichai> thandavarayan, 2.6.10-5-386
[07:03] <amichai>  this is what i have
[07:03] <surlyesque> balduran: here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowtoHoary              :
[07:04] <transgress> has anyone had problems with their repo's not saving when they add to them?
[07:04] <amichai> thoreauputic, lol sorry
[07:04] <RichG> Burgundavia: a "Defaults..." line and a line for root. that's all
[07:04] <ivoks> well... bye guys...
[07:04] <Burgundavia> RichG, ok then
[07:04] <thandavarayan> amichai: okay, set apt-config to download from the internet
[07:04] <amichai> thoreauputic, so i want at least 2.6.10-5-686 or 2.6.11-686 but last time i isntalled 11 it froze my box
[07:04] <thoreauputic> amichai: wow, I'm disappointed - i thought I could skip a few kernel versions for a moment :)
[07:04] <Burgundavia> RichG, all the desktop stuff is designed to use sudo
[07:04] <amichai> thandavarayan, how do i do that
[07:04] <ivoks> 2.6.11 is crap
[07:04] <amichai> ?
[07:04] <Burgundavia> RichG, reboot into rescue mode
[07:05] <thandavarayan> amichai: sudo apt-config
[07:05] <thoreauputic> amichai: 2.6.11 is bad news - don't go there
[07:05] <Burgundavia> RichG, and add your user into the sudoers file with visudo
[07:05] <surlyesque> ivoks: i agree
[07:05] <ivoks> thoreauputic u get that feeling too, heh? :)
[07:05] <thandavarayan> thoreauputic: he is more enthu... let him try
[07:05] <RichG> hmmm I don't need to reboot :) can you just tell me what to add so I don't have to work it out?
[07:05] <amichai> thandavarayan, i dont get apt-config
[07:05] <RichG> that's all I need to know :)
[07:06] <Burgundavia> RichG, if you don't have root/sudo access you can't edit that sudo file
[07:06] <thandavarayan> amichai: apt-press tab key see you have config
[07:06] <RichG> Burgundavia: I do have root access
[07:06] <ivoks>  /etc/sudoers is broken in ubuntu :(
[07:06] <RichG> ...
[07:06] <Burgundavia> RichG, then edit taht file
[07:06] <amichai> thandavarayan, do i use dump or shell?
[07:06] <Burgundavia> RichG, with visudo
[07:06] <RichG> and insert into it...
[07:06] <thandavarayan> amichai: shell is better
[07:07] <amichai> thandavarayan, so i did shell, and nothing happens
[07:07] <transgress> wtf... i try to add multiverse to my sources, and everytime i check it in the synaptic repo's add, it just goes away after i hit okay
[07:07] <transgress> someone know how i can fix that?
[07:07] <thandavarayan> amichai: open gnome-terminal
[07:07] <Burgundavia> RichG, %admin	ALL=(ALL) ALL
[07:07] <amichai> thandavarayan, i am in gnome terminal
[07:07] <thandavarayan> amichai: sudo apt-tab key
[07:07] <RichG> Burgundavia: thanks
[07:07] <Burgundavia> RichG, and make certain your user is a member of the admin group
[07:08] <amichai> thandavarayan, nothing
[07:08] <thoreauputic> actually the group is adm
[07:09] <transgress> grar!
[07:09] <amichai> thandavarayan, beep thats all
[07:09] <transgress> i need multiverse to work so i can watching dvd's... but it apparently hates me
[07:09] <thandavarayan> amichai: Have you ever tried to pull any of the *.debs from the internet for update or upgrade...
[07:09] <amichai> thandavarayan, not through apt-get
[07:10] <Justin> thandavarayan: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, it is easier
[07:10] <thoreauputic> amichai: try apt <tab> without the sudo
[07:10] <amichai> thandavarayan, or synaptic
[07:10] <Justin> er,
[07:10] <RichG> how do you add a user to a group from a terminal?
[07:10] <amichai> thoreauputic, ok got something
[07:10] <Justin> transgress: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, it is easier
[07:10] <thoreauputic> adduser user group
[07:10] <transgress> Justin: you know the line for multiverse?
[07:10] <Justin> transgress: the same as all the other lines
[07:10] <transgress> and universe for that matter
[07:10] <thandavarayan> Justin: Yes, I know
[07:10] <RichG> thoreauputic: thanks
[07:10] <amichai> thoreauputic, apt-setup?
[07:10] <Justin> transgress: most should already be in there, just commented out
[07:11] <thandavarayan> Justin: when installed from cd-rom, it points to the *.debs in cd-rom
[07:11] <transgress> Justin: it's not
[07:11] <tbasten> anyone do a dual monitor setup?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> amichai: that will get you a default apt sources list
[07:11] <Justin> transgress: synaptic must have removed it then
[07:11] <thandavarayan> Justin: if you want to get from the internet, you need to config the apt-config
[07:11] <tbasten> anyone have a dual monitor setup?
[07:12] <RichG> Burgundavia: -_- admin group doesn't exist. can you tell me what its GID should be?
[07:12] <transgress> Justin: wouldn't want to copy me your's by chance would you?  since synaptic is being a bitch and whatnot
[07:12] <amichai> thoreauputic, i was sure i did something like apt-cache search linux-kernel or something and got the kernels, thats how i installed a k7 one two weeks ago
[07:12] <Justin> transgress: can't, ubuntu is on my laptop which is at home
[07:12] <Justin> transgress: actually, i installed from cdrom and the sources.list had both
[07:12] <thoreauputic> amichai: apt-cache search linux-image
[07:12] <wastrel> ubuntu is also on my laptop
[07:13] <cbr_> root@iMac:/home/cbr # sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid="test" authtype=opensystem
[07:13] <cbr_> message=lnxreq_autojoin
[07:13] <cbr_>   ssid='test'
[07:13] <cbr_>   authtype=opensystem
[07:13] <cbr_>   resultcode=success
[07:13] <tbasten> does anyone have a dual monitor setup?
[07:13] <Burgundavia> tbasten, I did
[07:13] <amichai> thoreauputic, there we go
[07:13] <Burgundavia> tbasten, what video card?
[07:13] <amichai> thoreauputic, thanx
[07:13] <cbr_> hmm... first time that this step are sucess
[07:13] <thoreauputic> no problem
[07:13] <tbasten> Burgundavia, nvidia and s3 trio
[07:13] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:13] <transgress> i installed from the cdrom as well
[07:13] <Burgundavia> tbasten, you have a dual head card?
[07:14] <amichai> thoreauputic, if my arc is 686 should i get a 686 kernel?
[07:14] <cbr_> but how i can set the wep key ?
[07:14] <tbasten> Burgundavia, no
[07:14] <thoreauputic> amichai: sure
[07:14] <cbr_> with every other card i say iwconfig wlan0 key xx:xx:xx
[07:14] <amichai> thoreauputic, i just apt-get install the new kernel?
[07:14] <thoreauputic> amichai: although an i386 is OK too
[07:14] <thoreauputic> amichai: yup
[07:14] <usynic> cbr_: iwconfig wlan0 enc key
[07:14] <usynic> cbr_: iwconfig wlan0 enc restricted key
[07:15] <usynic> cbr_: enc or key should both work... they are the same.
[07:15] <thoreauputic> amichai: grub will even update itself automatically
[07:15] <usynic> cbr_: you don't need the : though
[07:15] <cbr_> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[07:15] <cbr_>     SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported.
[07:15] <tbasten> BuffaloSoldier, just 1 agp card and 1 pci card
[07:15] <cbr_> why ?
[07:16] <Raskall> Is breezy worth a try now? Due to my job hunting situation I need a functioning system 24/7 with at least the possibility to send/receive emails, edit my CV in OOo and write applications also in OOo.
[07:16] <b0urn3> how can i play internet radio saved as a .pls?   do i need to download a plugin?
[07:16] <usynic> cbr_: you root?
[07:16] <cbr_> yes
[07:16] <cbr_> iam
[07:16] <usynic> cbr_: maybe your driver doesn't support wep
[07:16] <thoreauputic> Raskall: then stay away from Breezy for a while
[07:16] <amichai> thoreauputic, my motherboard is gigabyte and it says k7 triton, my cpu is amd athlon XP 2000+. Do i need k7 or 686?
[07:17] <cbr_> im using a prism2_usb wlan adapter
[07:17] <cbr_> d-link dwl-122
[07:17] <thoreauputic> amichai: k7 I'd say
[07:17] <Raskall> thoreauputic: :/ too bad. I'd love to stay tuned with the progress of breezy.
[07:17] <amichai> thoreauputic, and i shouldnt get 2.6.11 right?
[07:17] <transgress> does multiverse have a libdvdcss file or do i need to download something else that has that in it?
[07:17] <thoreauputic> amichai: 2.6.11 has ... issues
[07:17] <tbasten> Hello? Anyone here?
[07:17] <cbr_> i thought the prism2 chipset are fully supportet by linux
[07:17] <RichG> can someone please tell me what the GID of the admin group should be? mine is missing and I need to re-create it
[07:17] <cbr_> ;)
[07:17] <usynic> cbr_: give me an example of how you're typing in the wep command\
[07:18] <bhna> transgress: you need another repo
[07:18] <fdghdfhgdf> can anyone help me out getting the ubuntu system to play nice with all the various applications?
[07:18] <transgress> bhna: how so?  i didn't add any special repo's on my lappy and have it
[07:18] <tbasten> fdghdfhgdf, rofl
[07:18] <thoreauputic> Raskall: breezy has like hundreds of updates happening - it's risky at the moment
[07:18] <cbr_> usynic, ok
[07:18] <transgress> bhna: just can't remember where i got it... but i know i got it from apt
[07:18] <cbr_> root@iMac:/home/cbr # iwconfig wlan0 key d5aaddeb257b7ed2be0794911a
[07:18] <cbr_> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[07:18] <cbr_>     SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported.
[07:19] <fdghdfhgdf> tbasten: what?
[07:19] <bhna> look at ubuntu wiki search for restrictedformats
[07:19] <cbr_> plz dont wardrivin me =)
[07:19] <amichai> thoreauputic, thanx
[07:19] <amichai> thandavarayan, thanx
[07:19] <Raskall> thoreauputic: maybe I'll just run it as a vmware-guest.
[07:19] <thoreauputic> Raskall: that seems wise
[07:19] <tbasten> NERDS!
[07:19] <thandavarayan> amichai: you got or
[07:19] <tbasten> NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS
[07:19] <tbasten> :p
[07:19] <amichai> thandavarayan, ?
[07:19] <bhna> transgress:  look at ubuntu wiki search for restrictedformats
[07:20] <Justin> Raskall: um, and the current release can't send emails and run OOo?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> tbasten: this is an IRC channel - what were you expecting ? ;P
[07:20] <Raskall> thoreauputic: I started a dist-upgrade two weeks ago or something, but regretted and aborted during the downloads.
[07:20] <usynic> cbr_: wow, that's quite the key there.
[07:20] <bhna> transgress: marilatt repo
[07:20] <thandavarayan> amichai: gettting the kernel....
[07:20] <Raskall> Justin: yes, but it won't let me keep up with the progress of breezy.
[07:20] <cbr_> usynic, no matter the key are changed in a few seconds
[07:20] <amichai> thandavarayan, yes man
[07:20] <usynic> cbr_: no, I just meant it's long.
[07:20] <Justin> Raskall: do you _really_ care?
[07:20] <thandavarayan> amichai: if you are so eager, you can try to compile from the source
[07:20] <usynic> cbr_: mine are WAY shorter :)
[07:20] <transgress> okay is there just a lot of extra crap for amd64 then?  because i know i didn't add marillat... i was going too... but didn't
[07:21] <thandavarayan> amichai: I had much fun in that way.
[07:21] <amichai> thandavarayan, man kinda scary
[07:21] <Raskall> Justin: yes. I'd like to contribute with bug reports and testing for this fabulous distribution.
[07:21] <cbr_> usynic, aircrack need 4 hours =)
[07:21] <Raskall> Justin: but I do not code.
[07:21] <tbasten> anyone had much experience with a dual monitor setup?
[07:21] <usynic> cbr_: hrmm, well, I dunno.  It looks ok to me - the syntax is correct.  Has this same thing worked in other distros on this machine?
[07:21] <panjhy__> hi all. i just want to know if hibernate feature works with ubuntu installed on a laptop ?
[07:22] <thandavarayan> amichai: no no,
[07:22] <thoreauputic> tbasten: it would seem all the dual monitor gurus are asleep...
[07:22] <amichai> thandavarayan, worth it?
[07:22] <tbasten> thoreauputic,  *crys*
[07:22] <cbr_> usynic, i tryed only with osx 10.2 and it works
[07:22] <tbasten> thoreauputic, been trying to get it to work for most of the day
[07:22] <usynic> cbr_: I'd google for your exact chipset and make sure it supports wep
[07:22] <usynic> (in linux)
[07:22] <thandavarayan> amichai: you can learn a lot with that way, but you need to spend an hour to get the things
[07:23] <thoreauputic> panjhy__: there are rather a lot of laptops - I guess it depends which ones
[07:23] <panjhy__> thoreauputic: ok thx, i'll try :)
[07:23] <amichai> thandavarayan, yeah dont have that time now
[07:23] <thandavarayan> amichai: ok
[07:24] <thandavarayan> amichai: are you a student or a professional
[07:24] <cbr_> hmm
[07:24] <cbr_> im tryin this: wlanctl-ng wlan0 dot11req_mibset mibattribute=dot11WEPDefaultKey0=
[07:24] <amichai> thandavarayan, professional, y?
[07:25] <thandavarayan> amichai: then time is a very important factor
[07:25] <RichG> `sudo grep admin /etc/group` <--- I just need the output of that command... pleassse! >_<
[07:25] <transgress> shower time later
[07:26] <amichai> thandavarayan, i'll do it. i tried debian the other day. screwed everything up.
[07:26] <amichai> thandavarayan, everything was an error
[07:26] <thoreauputic> RichG: the group is adm , not admin
[07:26] <thandavarayan> amichai: debian is the only distro which I love to install...
[07:26] <RichG> ...
[07:26] <cbr_> mibattribute="data_string_too_short"
[07:26] <cbr_> message=dot11req_mibset
[07:26] <cbr_>   mibattribute=data_string_too_short
[07:26] <cbr_>   resultcode=no_value
[07:26] <cbr_> h ?
[07:27] <amichai> thandavarayan, man i worked on it fo four hours, and then puff all was wrong
[07:27] <thandavarayan> amichai: I can ask you more, if we are in appropriate channel
[07:27] <thoreauputic> RichG: that command returns lpadmin, which is different of course
[07:28] <RichG> okay thanks
[07:28] <amichai> thandavarayan, about what?
[07:28] <tbasten> Any dual monitors awake/on?
[07:28] <thandavarayan> amichai: the problems that you got during installation
[07:28] <tbasten> dual monitor users*
[07:29] <amichai> thandavarayan, man i dont even remember, the main one was xfree
[07:29] <thandavarayan> amichai: xfree what was the problem
[07:30] <amichai> thandavarayan, i'm accepting ur chat, doesn't seem to work
[07:30] <amichai> thandavarayan, wouldnt start
[07:30] <cbr_> hehe i'm forgotten the : between the hex pairs
[07:30] <thandavarayan> amichai: can you try, from your side
[07:30] <amichai> thandavarayan, x server wouldnt start, then i went to #debian nobody was helping me, then i came here and everyone was helping me, with debian.
[07:31] <aseigo_> tbasten: i have 2 monitors on this system. though it's not my (k)ubuntu system
[07:31] <tbasten> aseigo_, so u didnt set it up?
[07:31] <aseigo_> tbasten: not with kubuntu, no... my xinerama machine is SUSE (the one i'm typing on right now... the kubuntu box is over there *points to end of desk*)
[07:32] <thandavarayan> amichai: I come  occasionally to discussion
[07:32] <amichai> thandavarayan, so then i switched back to ubuntu
[07:32] <aseigo_> tbasten: are you having problems with it?
[07:32] <Get_xandros> !seen iv*
[07:32] <thandavarayan> amichai: best distro (debian) that I seen so for.
[07:33] <tbasten> aseigo_, well i have 2 video cards. just cant seem to get other card working. i think its cause i dont have the modules for it
[07:33] <aseigo_> tbasten: ah ... that's most likely .. what sort of card?
[07:33] <tbasten> aseigo_, s3
[07:33] <tbasten> trio
[07:33] <tbasten> 64
[07:33] <tbasten> aseigo_, s3 trio64* :P
[07:34] <thoreauputic> tbasten: that's an old card - i have one on a Pentium 200MMX :/
[07:34] <tbasten> lol
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> egads. :P
[07:34] <tbasten> its on secondry card
[07:34] <tbasten> just want it for music player and chat ect
[07:34] <amichai> thandavarayan, i've only used fedora 2 and 3, mandrake and ubuntu. ubuntu is my fav.
[07:34] <tbasten> my main card is nvidia
[07:35] <thoreauputic> tbasten: if it's the one I have, it isn't supported in xfree 4.3 even
[07:35] <tbasten> aseigo_, *cry*
[07:35] <thoreauputic> tbasten: I think I have it running on a vesa driver
[07:36] <jupiterste> In the "AntSpotlight" XScreensaver, if there is no desktop image, just the ant, is that a sign that OpenGL is not working?
[07:36] <tbasten> thoreauputic, um, any idea how i get the vesa driver... let me guess, i have to complie a new kernel
[07:36] <thoreauputic> tbasten: no, it's a standard generic driver
[07:36] <tbasten> so i dont need to recompile?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> tbasten: no - try sudo modprobe vesa
[07:36] <thoreauputic> I think
[07:37] <tbasten> um
[07:37] <tbasten> k
[07:37] <imachine> EHLO #ubuntu
[07:37] <tbasten> FATAL: Module vesa not found.
[07:37] <tbasten> hi imachine
[07:37] <thoreauputic> try vesafb
[07:37] <imachine> question: can i install Ubuntu from the livecd?
[07:37] <Justin> uh, the vesafb driver has nothing to do with X
[07:37] <imachine> or through the ftp ?
[07:37] <tbasten> thoreauputic, that worked
[07:37] <tbasten> k
[07:37] <tbasten> brb
[07:38] <imachine> im very positevly charged from what i see here.
[07:38] <imachine> i get around 300 more fps with glxgears than i do in freebsd ;-) with the same settings.
[07:38] <imachine> ofcourse its apples and oranges, but i will go with ti ;-)
[07:39] <wm_eddie> Does anyone know where I can get in touch with the authors of the clearlooks theme?
[07:39] <Delgul> I have a problem getting my alsa to work with a nforce4 chipset. Any known issues there for hoary?
[07:39] <imachine> wm_eddie: google.
[07:39] <imachine> "knowsitall" :-)
[07:40] <imachine> othwesaie, is there some guide for Ubuntu install?
[07:40] <wm_eddie> I seriosly don't know why I didn't think of that.
[07:40] <imachine> i checked bfiefly the ubuntu.org but there isnt much that ive seen :-)
[07:40] <imachine> wm_eddie: ;-)
[07:40] <imachine> sometimes the simplest solutions are the hardest ;[
[07:41] <ubuntu_> #linux-slsk_italia
[07:41] <ubuntu_> -_-'
[07:42] <thandavarayan> Delgul: did you check that in ubuntu.com website about the supported hardware
[07:43] <bassMonkey> does anyone know if amule 2.0.0 will be available through backports?
[07:44] <crimsun> no idea, but backports can be problematic.  X?) behaves slower than on windows? :-(
[07:48] <tbasten> thoreauputic, i got it working but how do i get the second monitor to go into the gui
[07:48] <Justin> you can get libdvdcss and w32codecs from marillat, most everything else is in multiverse
[07:48] <crimsun> amichai: chances are you can find the software you need in universe or multiverse
[07:48] <transgress> Justin: my bad... you're right.  i apologize.
[07:48] <crimsun> transgress: you need to explicitly pass a version
[07:48] <thoreauputic> tbasten: hat I don't know
[07:48] <transgress> Justin: i'm just getting stressed
[07:48] <thoreauputic> *that
[07:48] <tbasten> k
[07:49] <tbasten> anyone using dual monitor setup at the moment?
[07:49] <transgress> Justin: hope you don't take me as too big of a dick for that
[07:49] <thoreauputic> tbasten: BTW the module was definitely vesa - i just checked
[07:49] <crimsun> transgress: for instance, aptitude install mplayer-586=1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[07:49] <p0si> tbasten: I have 3 running at the moment
[07:50] <transgress> crimsun: tried that, but it gave me the broken deps error
[07:50] <tbasten> thoreauputic, ok, so how do i get that module?
[07:50] <crimsun> transgress: which debian-marillat line are you using, testing or unstable?
[07:50] <transgress> umm let me look
[07:50] <tbasten> p0si, ok here is the problem, i cant get my 2nd monitor/video card to work
[07:50] <transgress> it was whatever was in the wiki
[07:50] <thoreauputic> tbasten: it should be standard in all kernels AFAIK
[07:50] <transgress> crimsun: unstable
[07:51] <transgress> turn it to testing?
[07:51] <crimsun> transgress: yes
[07:51] <p0si> tbasten: checked the logfile whats wrong?
[07:51] <dazzed> im bored....what to do what to do
[07:51] <tbasten> um
[07:51] <tbasten> p0si, sorry for the noob question, but where is that
[07:52] <p0si> tbasten: what I usually do is: add device entry in x conf, add screen entry, add screen to layout and add xinerama option
[07:52] <tbasten> thoreauputic, /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.o
[07:52] <p0si> tbasten: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:52] <tbasten> p0si, ok, i have added the following into my xorg.conf
[07:52] <thoreauputic> tbasten: UnreA|Lbe afraid - be very afraid
[07:53] <bezibaerchen> what can i do, if a package on apt-get upgrade is kept back? how can i update it?
[07:53] <transgress> should i just get libdvdcss from marillat?  and then turn it off?  or are there other libs i need for dvd's?
[07:53] <imachine>
[07:53] <tbasten> the video card, the monitor, and then added into the layout
[07:53] <thoreauputic> oops
[07:53] <thoreauputic> haha
[07:53] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: enjoy my ctcp reply?
[07:54] <imachine> eh
[07:54] <imachine> so is there some good documentation on ubuntu or istnt there?
[07:54] <bezibaerchen> what can i do, if a package on apt-get upgrade is kept back? how can i update it?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: and why the heck did you version the whole channel?
[07:54] <ralf> has ubuntu x.org and gnome 2.10?
[07:55] <Bachus9000> imachine: the wiki has a wealth of information..
[07:55] <Choubaka> thoreauputic: just ignore him.
[07:55] <p0si> tbasten: is the sever running without 2nd card or not starting at all? check the logfile if the drivers were loaded right and the cards were detected
[07:55] <imachine> Bachus9000: i see.
[07:57] <Burgundavia> ralf, hoary does
[07:57] <amichai> is there any association between debian and ubuntu developers?
[07:57] <Burgundavia> amichai, a fair number of them are already DD's
[07:57] <transgress> hey anyone know what i need to decode audio with mplayer?  it keeps crashing on decode_audio when i try to play a dvd
[07:57] <Bachus9000> OK, guys.  I've got a Compaq Presario 2199US and I just installed Hoary on it.  CPU speed throttling works fine as do some of the multimedia keys, but what I'm trying to get working now is the "fn" key.  Specifically, fn+F1 and fn+F2 which dim and brighten the LCD.  Interestingly enough, fn+other keys seem to work (you can hold down fn and use the right half of the keyboard as a numpad and this works fine).  fn+F1/F2 does nothing, however.
[07:57] <tbasten> p0si, hang on a sex
[07:58] <tbasten> sec*
[07:58] <amichai> Burgundavia, meaning?
[07:58] <Burgundavia> amichai, Ubuntu devs were hired from the Debian community
[07:58] <crimsun> amichai: I'm pretty sure all the Ubuntu developers are Debian developers.
[07:58] <Burgundavia> amichai, DD = Debian Developers
[07:58] <Burgundavia> crimsun, incorrect, jdub isn't
[07:58] <crimsun> ah, true.
[07:58] <Burgundavia> but I think he is the only one
[07:59] <chet__> is there a way to edit gnome program menu for changing/adding icons?
[07:59] <amichai> so all u guys use debian in addition?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> amichai, nope
[07:59] <Burgundavia> chet__, check the forums, under 3rd party stuff
[07:59] <amichai> Burgundavia, dont use debian anymore?
[07:59] <chet__> thanks
[07:59] <goldfish> Bachus9000: you cud tring having a search on ubuntuforums.org
[07:59] <Burgundavia> amichai, never did. Moved from RH 8 to Ubuntu
[07:59] <thoreauputic> amichai: some do, some don't
[08:00] <amichai> crimsun, ?
[08:00] <Burgundavia> generally, Ubuntu has attracted people from all sides of the linux community
[08:00] <crimsun> amichai: yes, I still use Sid.
[08:00] <amichai> i dont get it. i aska  qeustion here i get and answer, i ask a question in #debian i get shouted for having probs with debian
[08:00] <Bachus9000> goldfish: I have been. :)
[08:01] <Burgundavia> amichai, long history about #debian
[08:01] <goldfish> Bachus9000: ah right :/
[08:01] <amichai> maybe just a bad day
[08:01] <thoreauputic> amichai: #debian has .. erm.. areputation
[08:01] <goldfish> Bachus9000: i have the same thing with my dell, fn only works for brightness :/
[08:01] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, a mild understatement
[08:01] <goldfish> never bothered trying to get it working though
[08:01] <amichai> Burgundavia, thoreauputic meaning?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> amichai: there are some idiots in #debian, but also some knowledgeable people
[08:01] <Burgundavia> amichai, #debian is not the world friendliest channel
[08:02] <thoreauputic> amichai: it's a good place to lurk :)
[08:02] <Bachus9000> goldfish: I'd rather have your problem personally. :)
[08:02] <goldfish> Bachus9000: hehe, good luck!
[08:02] <amichai> thoreauputic, u have some guy who doesnt know anything, with that attitude why would he want debian? he needs to know that he can get help when he needs it. same for companies.
[08:03] <St0n3-C0l> is there any updates available for hoary..or switch to Breezy repos ??
[08:03] <thoreauputic> amichai: I learnt a lot in #debian, but the fringe dwellers in there finally got boring for me
[08:03] <Burgundavia> St0n3-C0l, updates to hoary are only security
[08:03] <drspin> how can I enable Nvidia FastWrites?? I've a few methods that I've found online and nothing seems to work
[08:03] <crimsun> St0n3-C0l: Hoary was frozen April 8th.
[08:03] <thoreauputic> amichai: the problem isn't with debian, but with a few arrogant jerks
[08:03] <Burgundavia> St0n3-C0l, if you want new packages, use Breezy (not recommended)
[08:03] <jk> or ubuntu-backports
[08:03] <amichai> thoreauputic, good to know, i gtg thanx :)
[08:03] <crimsun> drspin: pass the options when it's inserted
[08:04] <crimsun> drspin: modinfo nvidia
[08:04] <thandavarayan> amichai: regarding what type of arrogancy
[08:04] <St0n3-C0l> Burgundavia: Really..not recommended :P bcoz it messed my system
[08:05] <drspin> crimsun: thanks I'll look into it...
[08:05] <Burgundavia> St0n3-C0l, lol
[08:05] <thoreauputic> thandavarayan: some of the #debian people think they are God's gift to computing, apparently (only a few, i hasten to add)
[08:05] <St0n3-C0l> One friend told me that Breezy got some toolchains probs...and everytime I was running './configure' was giving me cpp errors..which was not in Hoary
[08:06] <dazzed> lol thoreauputic
[08:06] <UnreA|L> how i can view games list with apt ?
[08:06] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[08:06] <St0n3-C0l> thoreauputic: God only gift us non-evil things :P
[08:06] <drspin> crimsun: I've tried puttin the "Option line" in /etc/modutils/nvidia-kernel-nkc -> Didn't work...
[08:07] <thoreauputic> St0n3-C0l: yes - pass that on to the guys concerned in #debian ;-)
[08:07] <St0n3-C0l> you know them..you pass :P
[08:07] <crimsun> drspin: /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc
[08:07] <St0n3-C0l> firefox-1.0.3 packaged for ubuntu ??
[08:07] <crimsun> drspin: and which option line did you use?
[08:08] <thoreauputic> St0n3-C0l: I don't go there much these days ;)
[08:08] <St0n3-C0l> one thing...how do I enable scrollwheel ??
[08:08] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[08:08] <bhna> St0n3-C0l: in the backports
[08:08] <St0n3-C0l> bhna: ahan thanks ;)
[08:09] <drspin> crimsun: /* $cat /etc/modutils/nvidia-kernel-nkc */
[08:09] <drspin> alias char-major-195 nvidia
[08:09] <drspin> options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1
[08:09] <St0n3-C0l> well..if anyone knows how do I enable scrollwheel..please msg me in pvt (I'll thankful to him) bcoz I'm going out for few mins.
[08:10] <^thehatsrule^> St0n3-C0l, it should be in your xorg conf
[08:10] <^thehatsrule^> thats where it was in xfree, so im guessing its the same
[08:11] <Bachus9000> goldfish: Oddly enough, I just put a Knoppix (3.6) disc in it and booted..and the fn key works perfectly. :/
[08:11] <rrichie> hi all
[08:11] <rrichie> has anyone managed to configure vpnc ?
[08:11] <crimsun> drspin: you appear to have missed the part about modprobe.d ...
[08:12] <bhna> Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
[08:12] <bhna>  St0n3-C0l: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[08:12] <Fulg> how do i change from a desktop to another ?is there a shortcut key ?
[08:12] <drspin> crimsun: I actually just found the nvidia-kernel-nkc in /etc/modprobe.d -- I also notice that the alias was 195* rather than just 195 -- that have anthing to do with it??
[08:13] <crimsun> drspin: not really.
[08:13] <bhna> St0n3-C0l: in Section InputDevice
[08:13] <crimsun> drspin: but the fw parameter needs to go into the file in /etc/modprobe.d/
[08:13] <tbasten> p0si, ok, i am back
[08:13] <thandavarayan> Fulg: which window manager
[08:13] <tbasten> p0si, where were we?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> bhna: he's away - I just msg ed that to him ;)
[08:13] <Fulg> gnome
[08:14] <Fulg> gdm
[08:14] <drspin> crimsun: thanks - going to give that a try
[08:14] <drspin> brb
[08:14] <tbasten> ok, anyone know how i can get the vesa module
[08:14] <tbasten> do i have to compile another kernel?
[08:14] <bhna> thoreauputic: thanks ;-)
[08:14] <sf2k5> should already be there
[08:14] <tbasten> nope
[08:14] <tbasten> only these
[08:15] <tbasten> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/initrd/vesafb.ko
[08:15] <tbasten> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/video/vesafb.ko
[08:15] <tbasten> /usr/sbin/setvesablank
[08:15] <tbasten> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.o
[08:15] <tbasten> /usr/X11R6/man/man4/vesa.4x.gz
[08:15] <tbasten> /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/examples/vesamodes.gz
[08:15] <tbasten> /usr/share/doc/libsvga1/README.vesa
[08:15] <tbasten> /usr/share/man/man8/setvesablank.8.gz
[08:15] <goldfish> Bachus9000: Weird :/
[08:15] <tbasten> can i just like copy it from some where
[08:15] <krisg> hi how can i access my MP3 files on my Windows partision. I have dualbooted it.
[08:15] <tbasten> krischan, mount it
[08:16] <sf2k5> krisg: ntfs is read only btw
[08:16] <krisg> ic
[08:16] <tbasten> krischan, sudo mount /media/*whereuwantit* /dev/*location of partition
[08:16] <krisg> thnx!
[08:16] <tbasten> np
[08:16] <sf2k5> you want to use the vesa X driver, correct (krisg)
[08:16] <UnreA|L> to fat32 can write
[08:17] <tbasten> sf2k5, i do
[08:17] <sf2k5> ack thanks
[08:17] <krisg> thnx!
[08:17] <thoreauputic> krisg: /dev/hda1       /mnt/winXP      ntfs    noauto,users,exec,ro,uid=1000.gid=1000  0 0   << /etc/fstab
[08:17] <thoreauputic> krisg: that's what I have in /etc/fstab
[08:17] <slappy15> mkdir /mnt/winXP
[08:18] <sf2k5> then mount /media/winXP
[08:18] <masterloki> hi there how can I know which is my sound chip
[08:18] <krisg> thnx!
[08:18] <sf2k5> lspci
[08:18] <usynic> any photographers in?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> krisg: without the << /etc/fstab of course :)
[08:18] <masterloki> VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[08:18] <usynic> what's a good app to manage images from a digital camera?
[08:18] <UnreA|L> what grapichal client is best fluxbox or gnome ?
[08:19] <masterloki> but i have no sound
[08:19] <masterloki> i already try alsamixer
[08:19] <^thehatsrule^> up to you UnreA|L....
[08:19] <UnreA|L> alsamixer
[08:19] <Fulg> ctr+alt+left
[08:19] <sf2k5> lsmod |grep snd
[08:19] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: that's like saying which is best, a jeep or a ford?
[08:19] <thandavarayan> Fulg: thats for metacity, I guess also for sawfish
[08:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> when I try to install acroread, I get the following errors: acroread:
[08:20] <FlyingSquirrel32>   Depends: libglib2.0-0 but 2.4.7-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[08:20] <FlyingSquirrel32>   Depends: libgtk2.0-0 but 2.4.10-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[08:20] <FlyingSquirrel32>   Depends: libpango1.0-0 but 1.6.0b-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[08:20] <tbasten> ok, no do i have to compile a new kernel in order to get the vesa module
[08:20] <UnreA|L> what fluxbox size ?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: tiny
[08:20] <thoreauputic> < 1 MB
[08:20] <sf2k5> just add vesa to the your xorg file in /etc/X11/xorg
[08:20] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: dependency problem
[08:20] <tbasten> ok, now do i have to compile a new kernel in order to get the vesa module
[08:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> FlyingSquirrel32: What do I need to do to resolve this?
[08:20] <wastrel> masterloki:  head -c 100 /dev/dsp
[08:21] <sf2k5> look for existing module, in my case Driver    "ati"
[08:21] <masterloki>  try
[08:21] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: Is acroread distributed by ubuntu
[08:21] <UnreA|L> what gnome size with standart programs ?
[08:21] <tbasten> i have got 2 video cards, i am trying to get 2nd on working
[08:21] <UnreA|L> how i can download fluxbox ?
[08:21] <sf2k5> apt-get install fluxbox
[08:21] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[08:22] <masterloki> what am i looking with  head -c 100 /dev/dsp and lsmod | grep snd?
[08:22] <thandavarayan> UnreA|L: only if ubuntu distributes that
[08:22] <wastrel> no grep
[08:22] <thandavarayan> UnreA|L: otherwise have to compile from source
[08:22] <wastrel> ah the lsmod is looking for your sound card
[08:22] <thoreauputic> thandavarayan: it's in the repositories
[08:22] <tbasten> can someone give me a streight answer. How do i get the module vesa. Do i have to compile a kernel?
[08:22] <wastrel> masterloki:  the head -c 100   is looking for   1. does /dev/dsp exist.   2.  is there any output at all
[08:22] <tbasten> yes/no
[08:23] <thandavarayan> thoreauputic: then ok, just pull the *.debs and enjoy
[08:23] <wastrel> tbasten:  vesafb?
[08:23] <UnreA|L> i have kubuntu and i want download other grapichal client like gnome, fluxbox
[08:23] <tbasten> wastrel, nope
[08:23] <UnreA|L> with apt
[08:23] <thoreauputic> tbasten: unless xorg has no vesa, you don't have to compile anything ( I have warty still)
[08:23] <masterloki>  head -c 100 /dev/dsp returned only "squares"
[08:23] <wastrel> masterloki:  that's good it means your sound device is working.
[08:23] <masterloki> and lsmod returned sound card data
[08:24] <tbasten> so i will have to is the answer
[08:24] <masterloki> then what do i have no snd
[08:24] <drspin> crimsun: thanks man - FastWrites are enabled now -- but I don't see any change in FPS -- haven't tried fullscreen except Q3 but I don't know how check FPS -- it seemed to run the same though
[08:24] <UnreA|L> if i download fluxbox
[08:25] <FlyingSquirrel32> thandavarayan: don't think so, I'm following the directions on:http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html
[08:25] <drspin> crimsun: glxgears repirts the SAME
[08:25] <wastrel> make sure your channels aren't muted (alsamixer) and make sure your speakers are on & volume isn't set to zero and they're plugged in to the right jack :]
[08:25] <thoreauputic> tbasten: or get a different vid card - the S3 trio is pretty ancient and basic
[08:25] <UnreA|L> my programs not remove
[08:25] <UnreA|L> like firefox and other
[08:25] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: none of them will be removed
[08:26] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: reg fluxbox are you talking about
[08:26] <tbasten> thoreauputic, thats all i need for the job
[08:26] <dantheman> do you all use xchat? or is there a better irc client?
[08:26] <sig> UnreA|L: try a: apt-get remove --purege programname
[08:26] <sig> errr
[08:26] <sig> apt-get remove --purge packagename
[08:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> thandavarayan: don't know what fluxbox is. kinda new.
[08:26] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: fluxbox is a window manage
[08:26] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: window manager
[08:27] <wastrel> <3 xchat
[08:27] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: like metacity
[08:27] <tbasten> dantheman, i use bitchX
[08:27] <masterloki> master pcm surround center lfe line cd pc_speak aux all are on and 100%
[08:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> thandavarayan:I'm running gnome
[08:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> thandavarayan: or am i on the wrong page
[08:27] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: yes, you can run fluxbox in gnome, if you don't like metacity
[08:28] <thoreauputic> thandavarayan: I think you are confusing the issue
[08:28] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: let me be clear, Do you want to install fluxbox or...
[08:28] <UnreA|L> why irsii client is very popular if you can use grapichal client...
[08:28] <FlyingSquirrel32> what is default in ubuntu warty? Still not sure the purpose.
[08:28] <masterloki> any idea?
[08:28] <tbasten> why use a gui for irc when u can use command line
[08:28] <dazzed> FlyingSquirrel32: fluxbox is a window manager for linux...gnome is default on ubuntu
[08:28] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: because it's configurable, fast, simple, and useful over remote connections
[08:28] <terje> we need Macromedia Flash on the live CD dog
[08:28] <tbasten> lol
[08:29] <dantheman> tbasten: because we're sane
[08:29] <terje> can't be browsin w/o Flash
[08:29] <dazzed> FlyingSquirrel32: fluxbox looks like this www.trip-p.com/image/desktops/flux-blue-night.jpg
[08:29] <dantheman> i guess i could find a way to run it in emacs
[08:29] <wastrel> there's an irc client for emacs i believe
[08:29] <aseigo_> dazzed: 404 =)
[08:29] <dazzed> aseigo_: hmmm
[08:29] <aseigo_> pfft.. there a * for emacs.
[08:30] <krisg> hi i can see my file in /mnt/winXP now. But when i try to browse them using my File Browser it says 'You do not have the permissions.." how can i sudo there?
[08:30] <dazzed> my bad typed it wrong www.trip-p.com/images/desktops/flux-blue-night.jpg
[08:30] <tbasten> rofl@ irc for emacs
[08:31] <dantheman> man, i hate emacs
[08:31] <krisg> i type 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/winXP'
[08:31] <tbasten> i second that dantheman
[08:31] <wastrel> the only emacs command i know is ^Z
[08:31] <Xappe> krisg: change the permissions of the mountpoint
[08:31] <thandavarayan> dazzed: fluxbox is themeable window manger
[08:31] <krisg> how?
[08:31] <thandavarayan> dantheman: why so
[08:32] <tbasten> lol @ fluxbox
[08:32] <dazzed> thandavarayan: ...everything is a themeable window manager
[08:32] <dazzed> tbasten: fluxbox owns everything else nothing to lol at :)
[08:32] <dantheman> i had to use it in my freshman year of CS here....when they told us we could use whatever editor we wanted in our 200-level classes, i switched to gedit
[08:32] <dantheman> it's so slow
[08:32] <tbasten> metacity ownz
[08:32] <thandavarayan> dazzed: but not all window managers
[08:32] <dantheman> and its behavior is weird
[08:32] <tbasten> um, that is a tricky question
[08:32] <dantheman> you can't always copy and paste consistently
[08:32] <dazzed> thandavarayan: 99.9% window managers
[08:32] <terje> dope dazzed..
[08:32] <terje> that's a cool lookin desktop
[08:32] <aseigo_> krisg: you may want to use the "user" option for the fs and then mount it for your user / with permissions your user can get at...
[08:32] <dazzed> terje: preciate it...i like it :()
[08:33] <tbasten> i no nerd so i cant give you nerdy explanation
[08:33] <thandavarayan> dazzed: okay ..?!?
[08:33] <CarlK> what is the mysql-server default admin user/pass ?
[08:33] <krisg> ic Thnx
[08:33] <dazzed> thandavarayan: i was just saying that your comment has nothing to do with what fluxbox is ;)
[08:34] <tbasten> can ya change between flux and metacity
[08:34] <tbasten> ?
[08:34] <wastrel> god metacity sucks
[08:34] <dazzed> tbasten: yes
[08:34] <thandavarayan> tbasten: question is not clear, do you want to know how to change from metacity to fluxbox ...
[08:35] <thandavarayan> wastrel: got that right
[08:35] <wastrel> i'd like metacity if it had more options :]
[08:35] <tbasten> dazzed, via gdm?
[08:35] <wastrel> still i use it because i'm too lazy to change
[08:35] <dazzed> tbasten: you can set it up in your gdm sessions or you can change right from fluxbox menu if ud like
[08:36] <tbasten> can metacity have a start menu bar thingy (you know where all you quick launch and windows things are open)
[08:36] <dazzed> tbasten: i couldnt tell you i dont use metacity often (once i think )
[08:36] <tbasten> i mean flux
[08:37] <we2by> how do you install software on ubuntu?
[08:37] <we2by> is there gui for that?
[08:37] <we2by> or I still need my konsole?
[08:37] <thandavarayan> we2by: you can use the both
[08:37] <mjr> synaptic package manager
[08:37] <tbasten> no
[08:37] <tbasten> use synaptic
[08:37] <tbasten> system>admin>synaptic package manager
[08:37] <dazzed> the thing about fluxbox is that everything is in your 'menu' its controlled by right click to bring it up....and if you look here ( www.trip-p.com/images/desktops/flux-blue-night.jpg ) you can see my menu and what stuff i have on it
[08:37] <we2by> ok
[08:37] <thandavarayan> we2by: which ever is convenient for you
[08:37] <dazzed> tbasten: ^
[08:38] <tbasten> dazzed, nice. So how big ruffly is flux
[08:38] <dazzed> under 1mb
[08:38] <dazzed> ultra light
[08:38] <thoreauputic> tbasten: about 700KB :)
[08:38] <tbasten> omg
[08:38] <tbasten> serious
[08:38] <thoreauputic> yup
[08:38] <dazzed> yeah and really smooth
[08:38] <tbasten> what backend does it use?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> it doesn't need a back end
[08:39] <thoreauputic> other than X of course
[08:39] <tbasten> :S hmm
[08:39] <tbasten> so i am going to install it
[08:39] <tbasten> how do i change to see what its like then change back
[08:39] <thandavarayan> discussion has squinted to flux...
[08:40] <dazzed> tbasten: you log out of gnome and it will be in ur sessions menu
[08:40] <tbasten> kk
[08:40] <tbasten> now what is the package name
[08:40] <tbasten> flux-box?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> fluxbox
[08:40] <tbasten> kk
[08:40] <dazzed> yep
[08:40] <thoreauputic> funnily enough
[08:40] <tbasten> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:40] <tbasten> new stuff the mess with
[08:41] <thoreauputic> I think it's in universe
[08:41] <dazzed> but if you get into it and you like it a lot ...i highly suggest compiling your own (cuz it has been updated A BUNCH) since that package was made
[08:41] <tbasten> :P
[08:41] <thandavarayan> dazzed: you can also use it on gnome desktop
[08:41] <thandavarayan> dazzed: just kill the metacity and start fluxbox.
[08:41] <thoreauputic> dazzed: the hoary flux is fairly recent
[08:41] <dazzed> thandavarayan: that defeats tone of the main points of it
[08:41] <tbasten> dazzed, what do i need to learn to compile my own
[08:41] <dazzed> thoreauputic: hoary flux is 9.11 and 9.12 has fixed some major bugs in last couple of weeks (via svn)
[08:41] <thoreauputic> tbasten: try the package first
[08:41] <dazzed> yeah try package first
[08:42] <aseigo_> ... or any desktop that works with NETWM =)
[08:42] <tbasten> LS
[08:42] <thoreauputic> dazzed: I compiled 0.9.12 a month or so ago :)
[08:42] <tbasten> :S
[08:42] <tbasten> what do u mean by packe
[08:42] <tbasten> pacgage
[08:42] <tbasten> :S
[08:42] <tbasten> PACKAGE*
[08:42] <thoreauputic> tbasten: the .deb in synaptic/apt
[08:42] <dazzed> thoreauputic: your pretty set then for the most part...it just has fixed some of the systray bugs and transparency bugs so on and so on
[08:43] <thoreauputic> dazzed: haven't noticed any bugs here
[08:43] <tbasten> ok. Any links to set me on my way to do some cool stuff with fluxbox
[08:43] <thoreauputic> http://fluxbox.org
[08:43] <difeta> hey all! I've added a line to sudoers so that I can run /usr/sbin/firestarter as my regualr user without a password. but whenever i run sudo /usr/sbin/firestarter I'm asked for a password. Whats the deal?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> lots of good docs linked from there
[08:44] <tbasten> thanks
[08:44] <dazzed> thoreauputic: the one main bug of 9.12 is that when you drag windows to other workspaces it can get stuck in a never ending loop but if you dont do that then ur fine
[08:44] <tbasten> i think i might be around more in this irc channel to let yas now know i am going
[08:44] <dazzed> tbasten: also any help with fluxbox you can also join #fluxbox
[08:44] <Albacker> i used to have my usb pen drive installed in /dev/sda4. after installing linux again i cant mount the /dev/sda4 . . . any idea ?
[08:45] <tbasten> lol
[08:45] <tbasten> so u saying that flux is really quick?
[08:45] <krisg> where can i get the left toolbar in this picture? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/19839-1.png
[08:45] <dazzed> tbasten: thats what its all about ;)
[08:45] <aseigo_> krisg: gkrellm
[08:45] <difeta> krisg, thats gkrellm
[08:45] <tbasten> :D
[08:45] <krisg> thnx!
[08:45] <wastrel> ah but what theme is it?
[08:45] <dazzed> it uses next to 0 memory
[08:46] <dazzed> :)
[08:46] <tbasten> dazzed, but will it be able to support things like cairo?
[08:46] <thoreauputic> tbasten: quick and cool, like transparent menus and title bars etc
[08:46] <Balduran> hello
[08:46] <Albacker> root@galaxy:/home/eni/Documents/shkarkime/music # mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/sda
[08:46] <Albacker> mount: special device /dev/sda4 does not exist
[08:46] <dazzed> tbasten: i dont know what cairo is...im guessing its an app...and anything u can run on gnome u can run on flux
[08:46] <tbasten> Albacker, it doesnt exsit
[08:47] <tbasten> dazzed, its  a rendering engine for x
[08:47] <Albacker> tbasten, i used to have that. how can i enter my usb pen drive ?
[08:47] <dazzed> ahh well im sure its supported
[08:47] <thoreauputic> Albacker: see what lsusb says ?
[08:47] <tbasten> Albacker, plug it in
[08:47] <Balduran> ive bought a new isdn card, ubuntu found the card at the hardware controller, but i cant set up a connection at the network manager.. what should i do???
[08:47] <Albacker> tbasten, yeah it is pluged in
[08:48] <tbasten> lol
[08:48] <tbasten> got hotplug system running
[08:48] <Albacker> root@galaxy:/home/eni/Documents/shkarkime/music # lsusb
[08:48] <Albacker> root@galaxy:/home/eni/Documents/shkarkime/music #
[08:48] <thoreauputic> Albacker: try unplugging then re-plugging
[08:48] <Albacker> thoreauputic, tried that.
[08:48] <tbasten> thoreauputic, dazzed, catch yas round. I am going to try this fluxbox
[08:49] <dazzed> hope you like it :)
[08:49] <thoreauputic> tbasten: OK see you :)
[08:49] <tbasten> ;)
[08:49] <Albacker> flux rox
[08:49] <tbasten> peace out
[08:49] <Balduran> i need help
[08:49] <Albacker> and . . can someone help me ?
[08:49] <Dark3Lite> Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build
[08:49] <Dark3Lite> how can I get rid of this error
[08:49] <_linux_newb> ^thehatsrule^, how are you?
[08:49] <thoreauputic> install the source?
[08:49] <Balduran> where can i set up my isdn card at the network manaager
[08:50] <Dark3Lite> i get that when I try to install source thoreauputic
[08:50] <tritium> Dark3Lite, you building a kernel module?  You can install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:50] <Dark3Lite> tritium
[08:50] <tritium> yes?
[08:50] <Dark3Lite> using ndis wrapper
[08:50] <Dark3Lite> to get my modem working
[08:50] <wastrel> hmm i need a new gnome theme
[08:50] <Albacker> guys what should i do ?
[08:50] <Dark3Lite> on my nx5000 hp laptop
[08:50] <wastrel> human is too brown for spring.
[08:51] <Dark3Lite> when I run the make for ndis..it gives me that error
[08:51] <thoreauputic> don't need source for that as tritium says
[08:51] <thoreauputic>  linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:51] <Dark3Lite> thanks
[08:51] <Balduran> is here somebody who have experience with isdn cards?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> wastrel: gnome-look.org
[08:51] <thoreauputic> or something like that
[08:52] <tbasten> mmmm flux is soooooooo fast
[08:52] <tritium> wastrel, you can also install gnome-themes-extras
[08:52] <Albacker> tbasten, use gnome-settings-daemon in flux
[08:52] <Albacker> ;)
[08:52] <wastrel> tritium:  thx
[08:52] <tbasten> Albacker, how do i do that?
[08:53] <dazzed> yeah
[08:53] <dazzed> you should add gnome-settings-daemon to your flux-startup
[08:53] <Albacker> tbasten, gnome-settings-daemon is the gnome app that that makes all windows look like you are in gnome
[08:53] <Albacker> its great
[08:54] <dazzed> tbasten: cd .fluxbox && sudo gedit startup
[08:54] <tbasten> ok, so how do i start it?
[08:54] <Albacker> tbasten,  since i dont use a login manager, ive added gnome-settings-daemon in ~/.xinitrc
[08:54] <tritium> wastrel, fyi, I found that using "apt-cache search themes | grep gnome"
[08:54] <dazzed> or you add it in xinitrc
[08:54] <Albacker> tbasten, open a terminal and type this over there.
[08:54] <Balduran> nobody here who can help me with my isdn card :-(
[08:54] <tbasten> k
[08:55] <tbasten> Balduran, try later on
[08:55] <^thehatsrule^> lol _linux_newb good :P
[08:55] <Albacker> can someone help me please about the USB pen drive problem ? i cant mount that ?
[08:55] <^thehatsrule^> Albacker, use mount /mnt/sda#
[08:56] <tritium> Albacker, try pmount instead
[08:56] <tbasten> brb guys
[08:56] <thoreauputic> Albacker: run tail -f /var/log/messages and plug it in - see what it shows as
[08:56] <tbasten> lol
[08:56] <tbasten> dazzed,
[08:56] <hussam> did ubuntu release an update to the kernel or is the latest 2.6.10-5, the one that shiped with ubuntu?
[08:56] <tritium> see the manpage for pmount
[08:56] <tbasten> dazzed, how do i log out :P
[08:56] <dazzed> right click...hit exit down at the bottom...or its in fluxbox menu
[08:57] <dazzed> look down at the bottom ( i made my own menu so i forgot what the original looks like) there should be flux config sub menu...just look for where it says 'exit'
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> tritium
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> thanks that worked..
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> had to install gcc
[08:57] <thoreauputic> dazzed: I guess that worked ;)
[08:57] <tritium> Dark3Lite, super :)
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> but..having a little probs
[08:57] <dazzed> i guess so :)
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> how do I specify the driver
[08:57] <Albacker> ive tried /mnt/sda* and nothing worked !
[08:57] <tritium> Dark3Lite, you might want to install build-essential
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> for the modem using the ndis wrapper
[08:57] <jackmacokc> whats the problem albacker?
[08:57] <tritium> Dark3Lite, no idea about ndiswrapper, as I've never used it
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> aiight cool
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> thanks
[08:57] <tritium> np
[08:58] <dazzed> Dark3Lite:  what kind of modem you trying to install?
[08:58] <Albacker> jackmacokc, root@galaxy:/home/eni/Documents/shkarkime/music # mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/sda
[08:58] <Albacker> mount: special device /dev/sda4 does not exist
[08:58] <dazzed> nidswrapper is for specific devices and i dont think its for modems
[08:58] <Albacker> jackmacokc, i used to use that.
[08:58] <thoreauputic> Albacker: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=126
[08:59] <tbasten> thoreauputic, dazzed, you on msn or something like that
[08:59] <jackmacokc> albacker, are you just trying to mount an sata drive?
[08:59] <Balduran> how can i install things with dpkg
[08:59] <tbasten> dpkg -i *debname*
[08:59] <thoreauputic> tbasten: I'm on ICQ but not right now
[08:59] <dantheman> dpkg -i package.deb
[09:00] <tbasten> k
[09:00] <Balduran> everytime i get the message "status database is used by another process" O_o
[09:00] <Albacker> jackmacokc, thats how i mounted that before reinstalling linux
[09:00] <tbasten> um, do u know how to change to size of the menu font ect in fluxbox
[09:00] <Albacker> thoreauputic, thanks, ill read that
[09:00] <emann> .... Question... Now I have tried 4 different Install CD\s... and each one of them have made an fault about installing ifremname or something like that / is that something anyone of you have experienced _
[09:00] <hussam> how can I get a compile 2.6.11 kernel?
[09:00] <thoreauputic> Albacker: I think it might help
[09:01] <jackmacokc> albacker, why dont you just add it to your fstab?
[09:01] <Thorrn4> hello! I just booted into xfce...and there is no bottom application bar
[09:02] <Thorrn4> what can I do the get the application bar back
[09:02] <tbasten> thoreauputic, how do i set a background
[09:02] <thoreauputic> hussam: 2.6.11 is unstable and not recommended
[09:02] <Epix> hi, whats a good linux game for a lan party/online play?
[09:02] <Albacker> jackmacokc, if it doesnt mount with mount, how can fstab do that ?
[09:02] <jackmacokc> Epix: Enemy Territory
[09:02] <thoreauputic> tbasten: fbsetbg /path /to/image
[09:02] <Thorrn4> Epix, Wolfenstein Enemy Territory
[09:02] <Epix> Thorrn4, i dont like that game much. i dont like how theres no DM
[09:03] <Epix> Thorrn4, any other recomendations?
[09:03] <Thorrn4> ummm.....try Cube; its also a FTP
[09:03] <Thorrn4> but I have not tried it out
[09:03] <thoreauputic> tbasten: to set the last image, fbsetbg -l
[09:03] <Thorrn4> does any1 know how to get the bottom panel bar back?
[09:04] <firas> hi all
[09:04] <rottis> hi
[09:04] <tbasten> is there like a file browser or i just use nautilus?
[09:04] <hussam> thoreauputic: so 2.6.10-5 is better and more stable?
[09:04] <firas> Anyone know how I can capture the current (default) kernel config of my running kernel ?
[09:04] <t3rror> does anyone here actively use vnc?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> tbasten: use nautilus, or install rox filer like me :)
[09:05] <firas> I just installed Kubuntu (and switched to Gnome), I downloaded the official current source file and unpacked it to /usr/src/
[09:05] <bhna> firas: /boot/*.config
[09:05] <UnreA|L> how i can change my resoliution in console
[09:05] <thoreauputic> t3rror: sometimes, but usually xine
[09:05] <Burgundavia> any inkscape gurus here?
[09:05] <t3rror> thoreauputic: you can use xine for remote desktop connections??
[09:05] <firas> bhna: i feel stupid now :-) hehehe much appereciated !
[09:06] <thoreauputic> t3rror: sorry, I I misread
[09:06] <thoreauputic> t3rror: I saw vlc instead of vnc
[09:06] <tbasten> thoreauputic, fbsetbg: I can't find an app to set the wallpaper with. You can install one in
[09:06] <tbasten> many many ways but I will give you some simple advice: install Eterm and
[09:06] <tbasten> you're set. Eterm provides Esetroot and thats a great wallpaper setter. I
[09:06] <tbasten> recommend you install the package provided by your distro.
[09:06] <Epix> Thorrn4, lol its an FTP? lol
[09:07] <thoreauputic> tbasten: yeah, install Eterm or feh
[09:07] <t3rror> thoreauputic: ok i thought that I missed the boat on xine being a virtual network connection
[09:07] <dazzed> eterm and ur set :)
[09:07] <thoreauputic> t3rror: I wish :)
[09:07] <tbasten> ok doing
[09:07] <UnreA|L> how i can change my resoliution in console
[09:07] <Thorrn4> FPS Epix.....my bad
[09:07] <t3rror> so noone uses vnc???
[09:07] <tbasten> lol
[09:07] <FlyingSquirrel32> dazzed: Sorry, I'm running a help desk, here. That looks really cool, but how might that affect running acroread?
[09:07] <tbasten> so what is roz like thoreauputic
[09:07] <drspin> crimsun: yes glxgears reports the same framerate
[09:08] <dazzed> FlyingSquirrel32: no affect...acroread works just as good as it does in gnome
[09:08] <thoreauputic> t3rror: I've tried it, but I prefer nxclient or just ssh -X
[09:08] <t3rror> thoreauputic: i am trying to remove my linux machine from a monitor.  I want to be able to control it from a windows machine, security is not an issue
[09:09] <dazzed> t3rror: use putty
[09:09] <t3rror> putty is a telnet and ssh client
[09:09] <thoreauputic> tbasten: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/screenshots/fluxboxfirefoxrox.jpg
[09:09] <dazzed> you can ssh directly into your linux machine
[09:09] <t3rror> i am on a gigabit ethernet system and want to use X
[09:10] <deltalima> t3rror: yeah ... start OpenSSH on the linux box and use putty to ssh in
[09:10] <dazzed> t3rror: ahh ok then
[09:10] <thoreauputic> tbasten: it's rox, BTW
[09:10] <FlyingSquirrel32> dazzed: Ok, then that brings me back to my original question, how can I resolve these dependancy errors?
[09:10] <t3rror> gigabit ethernet is the shit btw
[09:10] <FlyingSquirrel32> acroread:
[09:10] <FlyingSquirrel32>   Depends: libglib2.0-0 but 2.4.7-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[09:10] <FlyingSquirrel32>   Depends: libgtk2.0-0 but 2.4.10-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[09:10] <FlyingSquirrel32>   Depends: libpango1.0-0 but 1.6.0b-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[09:10] <dazzed> FlyingSquirrel32: fluxbox dep errors?
[09:10] <FlyingSquirrel32> trying to install acroread
[09:10] <dazzed> ohh acroread...you can get those specific deps from www.debian.org
[09:11] <dazzed> search for acroread on debian.org and itll bring up a list of deps and you can click each dep and download it
[09:11] <tbasten> thoreauputic, mmm, looks nice
[09:12] <dazzed> thoreauputic: is that your flux?
[09:12] <tbasten> so it can use metacity icon(gnome icons)
[09:12] <bhna> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[09:12] <hypno> FlyingSquirrel32: acroread is in ubuntu, and so are all its dependencies..
[09:12] <Funraiserisme> does someone know how to fix this: I have no sound when i used VLC (a media player) and it says: oss error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp). When i look at /dev/dsp it says "link broken" for dsp...how can I fix the link?
[09:12] <bhna> dazzed: acroread is in ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[09:12] <thoreauputic_> tbasten: you got that URL ?  I have no sound when i used VLC (a media player) and it says: oss error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp). When i look at /dev/dsp it says "link broken" for dsp...how can I fix the link?
[09:16] <dazzed> tbasten: installing new themes is a snap just put them in ~/.fluxbox/styles folder...but if you want the ultra cool fonts you have to install aleczapka-artwiz fonts and not the .deb artwiz-xfonts
[09:16] <Funraiserisme> tsume, and why is that?
[09:16] <tsume> however the french can never win a war, so why the hell would I think they could win a war against spam? :)
[09:16] <dazzed> bhna: i believe you but he was asking me how to take care of his dependencies...
[09:17] <tsume> Funraiserisme: proxy infested network
[09:17] <Funraiserisme> tsume, how u heard of Napoleon?
[09:17] <dazzed> deps=dependencies
[09:17] <tsume> Funraiserisme: I get much spam from wanadoo
[09:17] <thoreauputic_> tsume: Napoleon did a fair bit of winning until Waterloo ;)
[09:17] <tsume> Funraiserisme: I'm talking about this past hundred years ;)
[09:17] <Funraiserisme> tsume, try Free
[09:17] <bhna> dazzed: ah .. ok ... sorry
[09:18] <Funraiserisme> tsume, wanadoo sucks, the French know that
[09:18] <thoreauputic_> tsume: I believe the French had a bit to do with defeating Hitler as well....
[09:18] <_4strO> i think the french want never make a war ...
[09:18] <_4strO> that's the reason why :p
[09:18] <Funraiserisme> hey we have political scientists here!
[09:19] <thoreauputic_> ....not to mention WW I
[09:19] <Funraiserisme> omg it's so interesting i'm gonna stay all night
[09:20] <dazzed> .... Funraiserisme leaves ... lol
[09:20] <thoreauputic_> ....of course the USA likes to think it did all that by itself... nver mind, OT
[09:20] <ian> the new ubuntu-nautilus behavior makes me cry :(   I can't hand out ubuntu CDs in good conscience anymore!
[09:21] <dazzed> ian: what about nautilus dont you like...maybe try kubuntu (uses kde instead of gnome)
[09:21] <dazzed> ian: there is probably a way to fix what you dont like bout nautilus
[09:21] <Funraiserisme> dazzed, i'm not arguing anymore, there are no weapons there, period! but if u don't mind paying what it cost for the appolo program for the war in Irak, that's your choice
[09:22] <dazzed> lol
[09:23] <Funraiserisme> those who think war is a good idea can still go to Bagdad today, they need young people
[09:23] <dazzed> the young people are against the war as always htough
[09:23] <ian> dazzed: what I don't like is that it closes a window when you open a sub-folder (but not when you open a file, or when you open a subwindow of certain "special" folders, etc.).  there is a way to "fix" it using gconf, but I can't be there to fix it for every new user I give a CD to
[09:23] <FlyingSquirrel32> hypno: acroread is not in my cd , warty, are you referring to hoary?
[09:24] <ian> this is really depressing
[09:24] <dazzed> ian: i dont thikn i have ever experienced nautilus closing windows when opening anything...
[09:24] <ian> dazzed: are you on Hoary yet?
[09:24] <dazzed> been on hoary
[09:24] <hypno> FlyingSquirrel32: i meant in the marillat packages, the dependencies are ok on hoary
[09:24] <dazzed> been on warty
[09:24] <dazzed> been on breezy
[09:24] <dazzed> been on em all :)
[09:25] <ian> dazzed: when you double click a folder, doesn't it close the current one and open the new one...?
[09:25] <dazzed> nope
[09:25] <FlyingSquirrel32> hypno: what are the marillat packages?
[09:25] <dazzed> ian: although ichanged mine to single click and have everything open in the same window
[09:26] <hypno> ian: yeah mine used to do that
[09:26] <Epix> Cube gives this error: Fatal signal: Floating Point Exception (SDL Parachute Deployed). what the hell is it? how do i fix it
[09:26] <hypno> FlyingSquirrel32: the sources.list entries for marillat are on: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:26] <dazzed> ian: if you change to open everything in current window it changes that and it only closes prior windows so its less cluttery
[09:26] <Funraiserisme> by double clicking with the middle button it keeps the parent folder open
[09:26] <dazzed> ian: its meant to do that but you can EASILY change it
[09:27] <ian> dazzed: and keep spatial nautilus?  the only way I know of is to use gconf.  I don't think that's easy for non-techies :(
[09:27] <hypno> non-techies won't care so much about it
[09:28] <dazzed> ian: non-techies shouldnt relaly be using linux in the first place
[09:28] <dazzed> its not at that point yet ;/
[09:28] <ian> well my mom uses it just fine
[09:28] <dazzed> maybe lindows
[09:28] <ian> she's quite non-techie
[09:28] <ian> dazzed: what is ubuntu slogan again..?
[09:28] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: it's fine for people who just surf, write letters and use email etc
[09:28] <dazzed> ian: but all she needs to do is check email goto the occasional website and that kinda stuff
[09:28] <Burgundavia> Epix, kill esd first
[09:29] <dazzed> thoreauputic_: exactly
[09:29] <ian> dazzed: right. non-techies.  :)
[09:29] <ian> dazzed: that's what most people DO with computers :)
[09:29] <ivoks> ola
[09:29] <thoreauputic_> I installed it for some non-techie friends, and they were fine
[09:29] <ivoks> did anyone tried to extract audio from DVD?
[09:29] <dazzed> ian: but people like that probably wont even notice the point your bringing up
[09:30] <Debonair> hey everyone
[09:30] <thoreauputic_> they are more likely to be confused about mounting their floppy drives :)
[09:30] <ian> dazzed: how would my mom use drag-and-drop file management with this behavior?  it's impossible (don't tell me about middle-clicks or holding shift. that is out of the question for a normal user)
[09:30] <delire> anyone here running Beagle? like spotlight, but for Linux/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/
[09:30] <dazzed> ian: but seriously you can  1 double click with the middle mouse button and it wont close parent window or goto nautilus settings and click "always open in browser window" and it keeps the whole 1 nautilus window going
[09:30] <dazzed> ian: open 2 nautilus's like windows...
[09:30] <Debonair> could someone tell me what program i should use to play realplayer and wmv files on Ubuntu?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> delire, yes, why?
[09:31] <delire> Burgundavia: your experiences?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> Debonair, realplayer must be played by the real player
[09:31] <Burgundavia> Debonair, wmv can play with an media player
[09:31] <dazzed> ian: double middle clicking is outta the question for a normal user???
[09:31] <Burgundavia> delire,  it is good
[09:31] <thoreauputic_> ian, the "always use browser mode" is OK
[09:31] <ian> dazzed: yes.
[09:31] <dazzed> ian: ....
[09:31] <Debonair> is there a RealPlayer available for Ubuntu/Linux?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> Debonair, yes
[09:31] <Debonair> Cool
[09:31] <dazzed> if someone knows how to use a mouse someone can middle click...
[09:31] <amichai> Debonair, yes
[09:31] <dazzed> one of the easiest pieces of computer equipment
[09:32] <Burgundavia> dazzed, middle click doesn't exist on non-*nix machines
[09:32] <dazzed> actually...THE EASIEST piece of copmuter equipment is the standard 3 button mouse
[09:32] <delire> Burgundavia: was it easy for you to index your data?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> delire, yes, but the indexer broke
[09:32] <dazzed> Burgundavia: true
[09:32] <amichai> can someone tell me is 40 k/b p/s for apt-get right? i thought it used to be faster
[09:32] <Debonair> Is it available on the ubunto repo?
[09:32] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: most mice have a scroll/button these days though
[09:32] <dazzed> Burgundavia: but u tell someone to do it and they know what ur talking about
[09:32] <hypno> Debonair: ubuntuguide.org
[09:32] <Burgundavia> dazzed, and that is why only things that are not normal should be but there
[09:32] <Funraiserisme> Debonair, check http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:32] <ian> dazzed: all that may be true, but spend some time watching a notice user
[09:32] <Burgundavia> dazzed, the issue is of discoverablity
[09:33] <delire> Burgundavia: have you patched your kernel to support 'inotify' (ie. a pre 2.6.12 feature)?
[09:33] <dazzed> Burgundavia, ian: my point being you goto nautilus preferrences and click "open in browser window" then you get the effect of window'
[09:33] <dazzed> ...window's explorer
[09:33] <Debonair> cool thanks a lot guys
[09:33] <Burgundavia> delire, latest beagle doesn't need inotify and I didn't bother turning it on (it is in by default in hoary)
[09:33] <dazzed> where you click a folder and it opens in the same window
[09:33] <dazzed> whats hard about that?
[09:34] <ian> dazzed: some people prefer spatial behavior
[09:34] <dazzed> ian: for that then you can open up 2 instances of nautilus...drag from each window
[09:34] <FlyingSquirrel32> hypno: Thanks, The info for the page you gave me is for hoary, I had used the page for warty. Does it make a difference? or is apt-get smart enough to make it work?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> dazzed, I like the GNOME standard spatial
[09:34] <Burgundavia> dazzed, there are few compelling reasons that the change was implemented, beyond the sabdfl is the boss
[09:35] <ian> dazzed: actually you can't do that very well.  try opening up two by clicking "Home" twice.  the second time does nothing (the window is already open)
[09:35] <delire> Burgundavia: apparently inotify never made it into hoary. <checks this>
[09:35] <Burgundavia> delire, hmm, I thought it did
[09:35] <Debonair> crap... the link on there for the realplayer is down
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Debonair, there should be a package in the repos
[09:35] <hypno> FlyingSquirrel32: depends if the needed packages are in warty. Might as well upgrade to hoary..
[09:35] <delire> Burgundavia:  http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxKernelRoadmap may have more information. it was rejected AFAIK due to stability reasons
[09:35] <Burgundavia> delire, ah
[09:35] <dazzed> ian: i dont even use gnome so i wouldnt know but its not hard to open the application 'nautilus' either
[09:36] <dazzed> home is not the only way to get in
[09:36] <dazzed> but you have good points
[09:36] <Burgundavia> dazzed, if you don't use gnome, then why are you arguing about this?
[09:36] <dazzed> i understand where ur coming from
[09:36] <dazzed> Burgundavia: i use nautilus
[09:36] <dazzed> i use gnome apps
[09:36] <dazzed> i just dont use gnome desktop
[09:36] <Burgundavia> oh, btw, we are getting hammered on every review about this.
[09:36] <ian> "we" deserve it :)
[09:36] <Burgundavia> we do
[09:37] <dazzed> i just dont feel you should completely discrace something and put it down just cuz you cant figure out how to drag and drop something between 2 windows...
[09:37] <dazzed> disgrace*
[09:37] <ivoks> grrrrrr
[09:37] <ivoks> dvdrip on ubuntu is a problem :(
[09:37] <ivoks> so is transcode
[09:37] <ivoks> :(
[09:37] <delire> really?
[09:37] <Burgundavia> dazzed, I like drag and drop. This patch doesn't make it easy
[09:37] <tbasten> dazzed, is there a way to set shortcut key to different programs
[09:38] <dazzed> you mean bind keys to open programs?
[09:38] <dazzed> tbasten:
[09:38] <thoreauputic_> .fluxbox/keys
[09:38] <FlyingSquirrel32> hypno: Now that you mention that, is that different from downloading the updates in synaptic? or do you have to reinstall from scratch. (Please excuse my ignorance, I'm fresh from windows)
[09:38] <pharaonic_anubis> This is really strange. I started ubuntu today, and none of the menu items I have added over the last couple months are present any longer.
[09:38] <shad0w1e> how do i see a list of running processes?
[09:38] <pharaonic_anubis> And I can't add any items to my gnome menus.
[09:38] <ian> dazzed: this sounds like "KDE User Talk" -- this is why I use and support GNOME, because people don't say "what's wrong, you can't figure it out?  you must be stupid."   No, it's not about ME, a programmer, it's about my mom and other non-techie users.  the DEFAULT has to work for them.  they don't come asking for help, they say "I want Windows back" :)
[09:38] <Burgundavia> ian, well said
[09:38] <pharaonic_anubis> The programs are installed... just all my customization is gone it seems.
[09:39] <Debonair> can't seem to find a realplayer package in the repos
[09:39] <shad0w1e> how do i see running processes?
[09:39] <pharaonic_anubis> Any ideas why this would happen?
[09:39] <delire> shad0w1e: ps ax
[09:39] <shad0w1e> delire: thanks
[09:39] <dazzed> ian: ...windows explorer is non spatial...so thats not a compelling argument
[09:39] <mkde> I have a problem with my wireless card. It works nicely here in my Ubuntu system which I installed from array 5, but I just installed hoary final from cd onto another partition, and I can't seem to load the firmware for the card. Is this sort of problem know? what might it be due to?
[09:39] <thoreauputic_> shad0w1e: type `top` in a terminal
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Debonair, hmm I see it
[09:39] <Debonair> which section is it in?
[09:39] <dazzed> ian: and to make it spatial you have to go in and change a setting just like to make it non spatial you have to go in and change a setting
[09:39] <Debonair> and is it titled differently?
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Debonair, multiverse
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Debonair, it is 'realplayer'
[09:40] <delire> thoreauputic_: you're right. 'top' would have been a better fit
[09:40] <Burgundavia> dazzed, the issue is not that you can set it, the issue is that most users never change the default
[09:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> dazzed: I don't think windows users know what spatial is, even the admins.
[09:40] <thoreauputic_> delire: he left early :)
[09:40] <dazzed> FlyingSquirrel32: lol true
[09:40] <delire> thoreauputic_: well it's not like we're fishing i guess ;)
[09:40] <Debonair> oh
[09:40] <Debonair> it isn't free?
[09:41] <Burgundavia> Debonair, free is the beer sense, not hte speech sense
[09:41] <mkde> it is not GPL
[09:41] <mkde> anyone help me with my wifi problem?
[09:41] <Burgundavia> Debonair, also, you cannot redistribute it
[09:41] <pharaonic_anubis> Does anyone know why all of my icons I have added to my Gnome menus would suddenly be gone and why I all of a sudden can't add any items to the menu's?
[09:41] <delire> mkde: which card?
[09:41] <mkde> delire, its an acx111 card
[09:41] <Debonair> you lost me, burg
[09:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> what's the easiest way to upgrade from warty to hoary?
[09:41] <delire> mkde: eek. have you tried reinstalling the firmware?
[09:41] <dazzed> Burgundavia: i understand that but if you dont want to hand it out to your friends or what not because the parent window closes when u double click and you cant seem to ask help then the need to go back to windows where everything pop up for them and tells them exactly what to do...if you want linux to do that .. its not going to happen
[09:42] <Burgundavia> Debonair, realplayer is free in terms of money, but not in terms of being Free/OSS
[09:42] <ivoks> helixplayer is free
[09:42] <Debonair> oh ok
[09:42] <Burgundavia> dazzed, that is a very negative opinion
[09:42] <Debonair> gotchas
[09:42] <ivoks> but, it can't play ram :(
[09:42] <delire> Debonair: the GPL requires that source code be modifiable, redistributable and primarily available to users
[09:42] <ian> dazzed: I don't like your defeatist attitude :)
[09:42] <dazzed> ian, Burgundavia: and maybe some people might prefer the signle browser window to spatial...if they just asked help
[09:42] <dazzed> they just dont know
[09:43] <mkde> delire, I've copied the firmware from cd, and renamed it to all the various names that I am aware of. In all cases dmesg says it is looking for the right firmware, but that it can't load it
[09:43] <Burgundavia> dazzed, I have heard no good reasons why the change should be made, beyond that of window clutter, which is fairly minor
[09:43] <catfox> hi guys, i'm in need of urgent help :S
[09:43] <delire> Debonair: hence why Linux can be described as 'The People's Operating System'
[09:43] <ian> maybe dazzed should spend a few days using the new busted spatial mode before commenting :)
[09:43] <dazzed> and honestly linux isnt going to tell them what to do...to even get the closest thing to a 'help' option is a man and you need to run man's from terms and a non-techie isnt going to want to do that
[09:44] <FlyingSquirrel32> dazzed, what is the easist way of upgrading from warty to hoary?
[09:44] <delire> mkde: so can you 'sudo iwlist <card> scanning' or 'sudo iwconfig'?
[09:44] <ian> dazzed: what on earth are you talking about?  we're advocating sane behavior in the file manager not "pop ups everywhere tell the user what to do" :)
[09:44] <Burgundavia> dazzed, that is the old view of linux. The new view and the Ubuntu one is do thing right and have things just work. This patch doesn't fall in with the new view
[09:44] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: well, a few apps have a decent help function :)
[09:44] <catfox> i got an iPod, and i tried to use it on linux, but now it's completely unusable. on mac or pc. itunes cant see it at all.
[09:44] <catfox> how can i get it back to normal?
[09:44] <dazzed> im not being negative but honestly...if people wan the ease and the and the simplicity of windows on linux...they need to use windows..cuz linux is not about making linux as close as windows as possible
[09:44] <seanj> hi um, i can't print anything on my HP deskjet 600.. :(
[09:44] <Burgundavia> dazzed, therein I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding
[09:44] <FlyingSquirrel32> dazzed, I think non-techies can do it just fine, they just need a capable and patient person to hold their hand during the transition
[09:45] <ian> dazzed: how very 1995 of you :)
[09:45] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: no, we should make it *better*
[09:45] <dazzed> FlyingSquirrel32: exactly
[09:45] <mkde> delire, didn't try it. the light is not on on the card tho
[09:45] <Burgundavia> dazzed, Ubuntu is about winning the desktop and the producing the most kicka** system out there
[09:45] <catfox> anybody?
[09:45] <wellparp> FlyingSquirrel21: Use synaptic, change the repositories to hoary, update and mark all upgrades
[09:45] <delire> dazzed: i would argue there are several projects who are entirely predisposed to making Linux DE's easier to use than Windows.
[09:45] <Burgundavia> dazzed, part of that is sane defaults, which windows doesn't do at all well either
[09:45] <catfox> can anybody help me with iPod problems?
[09:46] <dazzed> Burgundavia: well if you want someone to hold your hand dont use linux...thanks im done
[09:46] <seanj> i thought linux was about offering an alternative that is as good if not better? so far it looks pretty good.. it'll look great when i can print stuff :)
[09:46] <FlyingSquirrel32> catfox, sorry, I've never worked with one.
[09:46] <seanj> dazzed, what's wrong?
[09:46] <delire> mkde: which driver are you using? http://acx100.sourceforge.net/
[09:46] <Burgundavia> dazzed, I am not asking somebody to hold my hand
[09:46] <dazzed> im sorry im about supporting the revoloution against windows not converting linux to windows
[09:46] <bhna> catfox: i wish i had an ipod ;-)
[09:46] <seanj> i find this whole ubuntu linux thing like a cakewalk
[09:46] <dazzed> Burgundavia: i understand that
[09:46] <catfox> i wish i had one whch worked
[09:46] <wellparp> seanj: cakewalk?
[09:46] <catfox> so i may as well throw it in the bin then?
[09:46] <seanj> ...except printing
[09:47] <seanj> wellparp, meaning it's extremely easy to use
[09:47] <dazzed> i like linux for what it is...and how it works...if it were to go and be like windows ... i would switch to anotehr os
[09:47] <Burgundavia> dazzed, and I am saying taht this pathc is not hand holding. It is about sane defaults, which is as far from handholding as you can get
[09:47] <seanj> i find it is, anyway
[09:47] <Ironfrost> catfox: I noticed a control in "Music Player" to synch with an ipod
[09:47] <seanj> linux like windows in the same way mac os-x is? a desktop, some icons, a gui? omg!
[09:47] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: there's little danger of Linux becoming a windows clone - for instance, we can use fluxbox or window maker or...
[09:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> catfox, why not call mac? Don't they have pretty good service?
[09:47] <dazzed> Burgundavia: a sane default woudl be making non spatial nautilus for the 'non-techies'
[09:48] <seanj> anyone know why i would not be able to print anything on a configured hp deskjet 600 using hoary
[09:48] <Ironfrost> if you're running default Ubuntu it should be applications > sound & video > Music Player
[09:48] <dazzed> thoreauputic_: i used a fluxbox shell for windows for 4 years before i got on linux
[09:48] <dazzed> 3* years*
[09:48] <Burgundavia> dazzed, then spec something up. Spatial nautilus isn't perfect but it is better than Ubuntu spatial
[09:48] <delire> dazzed: how can Linux "be like windows"? welding a windows like DE onto the kernel?
[09:48] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: but my point stands
[09:48] <catfox> FlyingSquirrel32, and tell them linux screwed up my iPod?
[09:48] <seanj> never use a knife in a toaster!
[09:48] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: the options on windows are more restricted
[09:49] <delire> catfox: seems odd. you were using it with gtkpod fine, unmounted it and then it was unuseable elsewhere?
[09:49] <delire> oh well.
[09:49] <dazzed> Burgundavia: but if your talking about sane defaults...are you making sane defaults for linux users (which i feel a linux user can understand how to middle click and change a simple setting) or making sane defaults for non-techies?
[09:49] <seanj> i looked around the wikis but can't find any, there is text for links but no links there yet
[09:49] <dazzed> Burgundavia: thats the debate im getting at
[09:49] <mkde> delire, i'm using that driver, packaged in the ubuntu kernel
[09:50] <tbasten> dazzed, :S what would be the syntax for the keys file to start up firefox when i press cntl+alt+w
[09:50] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: sane defaults mean defaults that are intuitive for ordinary mortals :)
[09:50] <Burgundavia> dazzed, sane defaults for the majority of users (non-techies), which doesn't include making the middle click do something the left click does normally
[09:50] <seanj> i guess you guys are too busy arguing amonst yourselves, i'll print on the windows server
[09:50] <|QuaD-> how do i make sure all the packages that a software package depends on are downloading? apt-get is missing some
[09:50] <seanj> thanks anyway
[09:50] <mkde> seanj, :(
[09:50] <Burgundavia> seanj, what is the issue?
[09:50] <mkde> he has a point
[09:51] <crimsun> |QuaD-: apt-get and aptitude handle dependencies
[09:51] <seanj> printing on an hp deskjet 600 that was setup by the system, nothing happens no matter what app i try to print from
[09:51] <crimsun> |QuaD-: (as does Synaptic, since it uses libapt)
[09:51] <dazzed> Burgundavia: but left click still does the same thing...its just middle click is an additional option that does it differently and the majority of linux users are not 'non-techies'
[09:51] <|QuaD-> crimsun: i am trying to install muine, it isn't automatically downloading gstreamer
[09:51] <Burgundavia> dazzed, the last point is rapidly changing
[09:51] <|QuaD-> which according to apt-cache show it depends one
[09:52] <seanj> in System -> Administration -> Printing it says the printer is fine and ready to print
[09:52] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, gstreamer is already on your machine
[09:52] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: i removed it awhile back
[09:52] <crimsun> |QuaD-: it should need to, since gstreamer is installed
[09:52] <crimsun> err
[09:52] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, totem-gstreamer or the whole thing?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> seanj, ick
[09:52] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: the whole thing
[09:52] <seanj> :/
[09:52] <delire> mkde: right. do this. take the card out, put it in and 'dmesg | grep acx' or perhaps see this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3067.html
[09:53] <crimsun> |QuaD-: what's the package status of gstreamer0.8-plugins?
[09:53] <mkde> delire, i'll check that page, i've already drawled through dmesg, when you load acx111 drivers you get about 100 lines of dmesg ;)
[09:53] <dazzed> Burgundavia: it might be ... but i still dont think you need to change the way things are just to help non-techies when its a simple point click settings change to fix what they want
[09:53] <delire> mkde: post in #flood?
[09:53] <seanj> i powered down the printer, powered down the machine, then turned on the printer again, then the machine... tried with ubuntu, still got nothing, did that all again, went to xp and printed a file with no issue
[09:53] <|QuaD-> crimsun: i just started installing everything it depends on, so its installed now
[09:53] <dazzed> Burgundavia: and the thing im highly upset at is that he said hes going to quit handing out ubuntu and suggesting it to people just because of that
[09:53] <seanj> seems odd something like printing should be so hard.. i even tried to setup cups but this version is kinda um, crippled
[09:54] <cheezee> ??????????
[09:54] <cheezee> ?????
[09:54] <seanj> dazzed, i think this printing issue is gonna kill it for me lol
[09:54] <Burgundavia> dazzed, the file system is pretty major change and it came at a very very bad time
[09:54] <mkde> delire, its on the other partition. i should make it clear: the card is working in hoary on this partition (installed from array5) but not on a hoary final install i did on another partition
[09:54] <mjr> dazzed, the current ubuntu way was a change to how things are for no good reason
[09:55] <seanj> no ideas on simple printing huh
[09:55] <delire> seanj: checked http://localhost:631 ? this is the easiest way to setup printing IMO
[09:55] <thoreauputic_> seanj: sometimes choosing a different driver helps ) I had to do that with my LaserJet)
[09:55] <Burgundavia> seanj, I did some quick googling. hpijs seems to be driver you need
[09:55] <delire> mkde: odd?
[09:55] <mkde> delire, yes
[09:55] <seanj> aha.... good timing lol thank you, i'll go look
[09:55] <dazzed> Burgundavia: and also we are still far off from making linux easily used for 'non-techies' considering most computer parts (i.e. wireless cards, sound chips, usb devices) you have to work at to get to work and a 'non-techie' isnt going to want to do that
[09:55] <thoreauputic_> delire: disabled by default in Ubuntu
[09:55] <FlyingSquirrel32> catfox: Sure, No sin in using linux
[09:56] <dazzed> unless you specifically get native linux parts
[09:56] <Burgundavia> dazzed, have you seen the plan coming out of UDU?
[09:56] <Burgundavia> dazzed, for from it
[09:56] <Menu> hi
[09:56] <Menu> :)
[09:56] <dazzed> Burgundavia: link me
[09:56] <battledragun> ineed to know how to get my bootloader back up from the install cd, anyone know?
[09:56] <FlyingSquirrel32> catfox: perhaps you don't even need to mention linux
[09:56] <k31th> good to see this distro has become so popular
[09:56] <Burgundavia> dazzed, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/
[09:56] <FlyingSquirrel32> catfox:tell them it won't work with mac(assuming it won't)
[09:56] <Burgundavia> dazzed, the current Ubuntu development conference
[09:56] <Burgundavia> dazzed, happening right now
[09:57] <delire> thoreauputic_: oh? hmm.
[09:57] <Burgundavia> battledragun, search the wiki for restoring grub
[09:57] <thoreauputic_> delire: it doesn't allow port 632 in the browser interface
[09:57] <thoreauputic_> delire: try it and see
[09:57] <FlyingSquirrel32> how does on upgrade to hoary?
[09:57] <thoreauputic_> *631
[09:58] <delire> thoreauputic_: i use vanilla debian for the most part.
[09:58] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, its quite easy
[09:58] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, hang on
[09:58] <delire> thoreauputic_: my ubuntu machine is at work
[09:58] <battledragun> Burgundavia: I want to install lilo instead ...
[09:58] <ubuntu_VMWare> hello
[09:58] <thoreauputic_> delire: I don't understand why the cups interface is disabled, but thre you go...
[09:58] <Burgundavia> battledragun, why do you want to do that?
[09:58] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic_, security reasons
[09:58] <LarstiQ> FlyingSquirrel32: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[09:58] <dazzed> Burgundavia: ok so what does UDU have to do with anything?
[09:59] <battledragun> Burgundavia: I like lilo more than grub
[09:59] <k31th> kool i wanna go to it
[09:59] <seanj> omg this is insane
[09:59] <delire> thoreauputic_: hmm, seems a shame. the browser interface is (frankly) excellent with gimpprint installed.
[09:59] <Burgundavia> dazzed, UbuntuDownUnder is where they are deciding where to take Ubuntu for Breezy
[09:59] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: that would be fine if the cups interfacesupplied always worked...
[09:59] <mkde> Burgundavia, is the releasenotes doc on the website?
[09:59] <shinu> who was recommending DSL to me a few hours ago?
[09:59] <Raskall> I have the following scenario: Wireless lan and cabled lan. I want a separate firewall for the wireless lan that routes known clients (by mac) to the lan and further to the internet. unknown clients will not be routed anywhere, but presented a page in the browser telling them to call me to get access.
[09:59] <Burgundavia> mkde, hmm, unknown
[09:59] <tremblay> I have an AMD64 processor, and I'm wondering whether it's worth switching from i386 to AMD64 Ubuntu (being a relative newbie)...
[09:59] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic_, no world listening ports
[09:59] <Raskall> Is there such a solution for Ubuntu?
[09:59] <delire> seanj: sorry, i pointed you to the wrong place.
[09:59] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: I understand
[10:00] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic_, printing is being worked on
[10:00] <dazzed> Burgundavia: i can promise you if they start making it so that its just a point and click switch from windows and have it basically the same you bet your ass ill be running my slackware more often
[10:00] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: nevertheless, it cuts out a usable option
[10:00] <Raskall> I'd like to just put a third nic in my ubuntu server and do it from there, but I have a spare machine if that is recommended.
[10:00] <seanj> why was this released when it can hardly print and half the options arent even available?? madness
[10:00] <FlyingSquirrel32> what is a good data-cd-burning program?
[10:00] <Burgundavia> dazzed, then run slackware. Ubuntu is moving towards easy to use without compromising on security
[10:00] <tremblay> FlyingSquirrel32: Graveman.
[10:00] <Burgundavia> FlyingSquirrel32, nautilus will burn just data
[10:00] <mkde> graveman rocks
[10:00] <thoreauputic_> FlyingSquirrel32: gnomebaker
[10:00] <dazzed> Burgundavia: yeah thats good make another lindows...
[10:01] <dazzed> some people get so off the topic of what linux is about
[10:01] <dazzed> makes me upset
[10:01] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, right to upgrade to hoary, you go into your /etc/apt/sources.list and change each instance of "warty" to "hoary"
[10:01] <Burgundavia> FlyingSquirrel32, if you need to burn more than just data, music, etc. graveman or gnomebaker is a good idea
[10:01] <Burgundavia> dazzed, Lindows is not competely evil
[10:01] <ubuntu_VMWare> dazzed, and what is linux all about in your opinion?
[10:01] <Burgundavia> dazzed, they have some good ideas
[10:01] <FlyingSquirrel32> Burgundavia: and ISO's?
[10:01] <Burgundavia> FlyingSquirrel32, graveman or gnomebaker
[10:01] <dazzed> ubuntu_VMWare: ill tell you its not about making a clone of windows
[10:01] <FlyingSquirrel32> mkde: that's it?
[10:02] <delire> Raskall: if you aren't afraid of firewalls without GUI's then i can personally reccomend a mixture of shorewall and apache to these ends.
[10:02] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: really, if the option to use slackware or debian still exists, what's the problem?
[10:02] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, then you do "sudo apt-get update"
[10:02] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, then you do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[10:02] <Burgundavia> dazzed, and Ubuntu is free is all sense. Lindows is not
[10:02] <Marble2> Is there a command line program that will log all the network in/out connections I make?
[10:02] <dazzed> i like ubu cuz of its simplicity (and its the best debian based os out there_