@wxl [<wxl> maybe that might be something leo might want to follow up with], Still looking at the Samba issue and willing to dig deeper into Libre but "not" to be the expert..see if I can help give them a spark on some of the issues


[10:19] <lordievader> Are there more people going to Riddell's talk this afternoon?
[10:24] <soee_> lordievader: do you have some Wily installation ?
[10:24] <lordievader> Yes, but do note I am not at home ;)
[10:25] <soee_> aah sorry :)
[10:25] <soee_> lordievader: @ FOSDEM ?
[10:25] <lordievader> Exactly :)
[10:25] <soee_> cool :D
[10:40] <lordievader> It is closeby, and you only pay for a hotel, so why not :)
[11:46] <clivejo> soee_: did you test plasma 5.5.4 for wily?
[12:09] <vip> clivejo: where's plasma 5.4.4?
[12:10] <clivejo> vip: no idea
[12:10] <vip> 5.5.4
[12:10] <clivejo> oh 5.5.4 is in staging
[12:10] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.5.4_wily.html
[12:13] <vip> clivejo: thanks
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:32] <lordievader> I think my test box is going to get another OS soon, one with Project Neon :)
[12:35] <soee> lordievader: after Riddell talk ? :D
[12:36] <lordievader> Yes ;)
[12:36] <BluesKaj> hey lordievader, soee, no neon packages for Xenial yet tho
[12:36] <soee> lordievader: did they took some video from this talk ?
[12:37] <clivejo> apparently Neon will only be on stable Ubuntu
[12:37] <soee> BluesKaj: true and i wont use Neon till it is based on Xenial
[12:37] <lordievader> Like last year they tape everything.
[12:37] <lordievader> See video.fosdem.org.
[12:37] <soee> clivejo: downloading iso to test 5.5.4
[12:38] <BluesKaj> yeah, not gonna install Wily just for neon ;-)
[12:38] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Neon is now 15.10 only, after 16.04's release it will most likely move to that. See the website.
[12:39] <clivejo> lordievader: which video is JR?
[12:39] <lordievader> I dont think this year's will be availabe yet. Took a couple of months lat year befor the videos where available.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> yeah it's all over the linux. kde rss feeds in akregator, which I finally got working again
[12:40] <lordievader> But it should go to K4401, there was his talk.
[12:40] <clivejo> lordievader:  there is something there from this morning - http://video.fosdem.org/2016/aw1121/
[12:42] <BluesKaj> http://www.cio.com/article/3027639/linux/kubuntu-founder-jonathan-riddell-to-announce-project-neon-at-fosdem.html
[12:44] <clivejo> the hectic life of a KDE dev, Europe, LA,  Catalunya sounds like the life of a glamour model!
[12:45] <acher88> would imagine at least some 'unstable' neon packages would be done for 16.04 prior to release?
[12:45] <clivejo> basely just KCI?
[12:45] <clivejo> bascially
[12:46] <acher88> or near as makes little difference
[12:47] <soee> next neon + is it uses own QT builds, so they don't have to wait till Ubuntu use new version
[12:47] <soee> and usually newer QT = more bug fixes
[12:48] <acher88> good point
[12:48] <clivejo> acher88: have you a wily box?
[12:48] <acher88> only VM at the moment
[12:48] <clivejo> would you mind trying plasma 5.5.4 for me?
[12:49] <acher88> 2 laptops on xenail, and desktop on vivid still.
[12:49] <clivejo> Id like a couple of installs to go ok
[12:49] <soee> clivejo: installing willy in VB now
[12:49] <acher88> on wily? I will later, but am due for Sunday lunch for a few hrs
[12:49] <clivejo> who was the one looking for 5.5.4 for multi monitor?
[12:50] <acher88> not me
[12:50] <acher88> any bugs to check are fixed? or just the upgrade process you want tested?
[12:51] <clivejo> oh it was yossarianuk
[12:51] <acher88> OK. Literally have to go NOW. I'll check back on IRC logs later
[12:51] <clivejo> just the upgrade process for now
[12:51] <clivejo> I dont have any wily installs to test it on
[12:52] <clivejo> I g2g too
[12:52] <clivejo> lunch time
[12:53] <soee> clivejo: ill report in a few minutes how upgrade was
[12:54] <lordievader> From what I heared Neon is based on Kubuntu-ci.
[13:00] <soee> installer crashed ...
[13:00] <vipw> clivejo: my upgrade seems fine
[13:01] <vipw> clivejo: I will use second monitor tomorrow
[13:02] <vipw> 5.5.3 with second monitor worked too, after suspend I've to xrandr to kde noticed 2nd screen
[13:13] <soee> installer crashed second time
[13:13] <soee> i give up trying Wily in VB
[13:14] <BluesKaj> VB is a pita
[13:16] <snele> multimonitor (kscreen) crashes are mostly qt bug which are supposedly fixed in qt 5.6
[13:16] <snele> *bugs
[13:23] <BluesKaj> soee, KVM is supposedly the best VM for linux hosts and linux guests
[15:11] <lordievader> soee: Is it still crashing on the ubiquity import?
[15:22] <acher88> clivejo: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma for upgrade test?
[15:23] <acher88> of 5.5.4
[15:23] <clivejo> yup, but only as a one off!
[15:23] <clivejo> yofel will shout at me!
[15:23] <acher88> soee: wily installs fine in VB here
[15:24] <acher88> plasma still hates 3D accell in VB, but not sure if that impacts install
[15:26] <soee> lordievader: it was downloading some packages when installing and crashed 3 times
[15:28] <acher88> installed wily from kubuntu amd64 iso at least 2 times in VB here, but not sure if I selected the "download updates while installing" option when I did that?
[15:28] <acher88> maybe I didn't
[15:30] <lordievader> Hmm, that is different.
[15:33] <acher88> clivejo: after adding ppa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14802884/
[15:35] <acher88> upgrade in progress
[15:35] <acher88> Note: that was from a wily rolled back to prior adding the backports with 5.5.3
[15:53] <acher88> clivejo: not pretty: http://i.imgur.com/CYIP77F.png
[15:54] <acher88> but did not delete plasma cache as I normally would, as not sure casual user would have a clue to do that
[15:58] <acher88> forced removal of plasma cache and a 2nd reboot sorted it, but plasma is still a bit crashy
[15:59] <acher88> this is on VB still though, so could be more stable on real machine
[20:12] <soee> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDE-digiKam-5-Beta-3
[20:15] <clivejo> soee: has any other debian based distro packaged it yet?
[20:17] <clivejo> is kubuntu-ci offline?
[20:17] <clivejo> doesnt seem to be reporting
[20:34] <clivejo> soee: its available here - https://launchpad.net/~philip5/+archive/ubuntu/extra
[20:35] <clivejo> if they are calling the package digikam5 why not reset the epoch?
[20:46] <soee> :)
[20:48] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLBzZCe6L4c
[20:54] <clivejo> interestng
[20:55] <soee> but im waiting this year for Neon stable isos :-)
[20:56] <clivejo> you are very impatience :P
[20:57] <clivejo> like new stuff?
[20:57] <soee> i'm just curious :)
[20:58] <clivejo> LOL
[21:01] <soee> Dolphin can't browse my phone, that sucks :(
[21:05] <clivejo> cd kio
[21:08] <clivejo> grr


[15:12] <nubae> Even though this is really a very genral linux thing, I feel like I found the last puzzle to get an LTSP server running AOK no matter what the system has gone through
[15:14] <nubae> for years I would have this issue where some people log on, yet others couldn't
[15:14] <nubae> it wasnt fuze issue
[15:14] <nubae> and it wasnt  a /home/dir ownershp problem either
[15:16] <nubae> I must have pent man weeks after weeks trying to get olde users to log back in without aval.
[15:16] <nubae> Adding a new one cause no issue so that puzzled me more
[15:17] <nubae> Then tjere were cruptic X messages depending on the mood if the server
[15:22] <nubae> lo and behold.... I did what I had been dreading for years... I cleaned the DB by hand, /etc/passwd open in one file, /etc/group in another and the gui in yet another
[15:23] <alkisg> nubae: man pwck
[15:23] <nubae> one would think that somehow a type of synchronsation would happen here
[15:23] <nubae> well... there was none
[15:24] <nubae> other than, if i save in group or passwd it would reflect in gui
[15:25] <nubae> get gui then made everyone administrator and disabled options
[15:25] <nubae> in other words the gui was no good only for changing passwords
[15:26] <nubae> fortunately linux internal logic did not allow all uses to be sysadmins
[15:27] <nubae> but conclusion: user and group gui is ver very srewed up
[15:28] <nubae> i know w've been looking for agoodgui/user/group, is there reallt nothing better than this?
[15:29] <nubae> btw tested on virgin system too
[17:37] <triunity> Good morning
[17:39] <triunity> I have a question, I am running edubuntu live, and testing out LTSP, I got everything working but when the Thin Client loads, it has nothing.  No way to access Programs, just a bar at the top, but none of those allow the student to get to applications
[17:39] <triunity> I logged in using one of the LTSP users it had in the system...
[17:40] <triunity> Any idea on what I am doing wrong?
[17:41] <triunity> To test, i created a file on the desktop of the client, and put the word firefox inside.  Saved the file, marked it as executable, and then ran it.  It worked fine.  But the problem remains, that I dont want my students to need to create shell scripts to start firefox...
[17:42] <triunity> ... is there anyone even here?


[00:11] <ScottL> TheMuso, i have not, i doubt anyone else but quadrispro or persia would do such a thing
[00:11] <TheMuso> ok
[00:12] <ScottL> anyone interested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox
[00:12] <ScottL> ignore the beginners graphic box at first, look at the ubuntu studio one below it :)
[00:12] <ScottL> i'd like to make a header like this for thw w.u.c. for ubuntu studio
[00:13] <ScottL> i'm using the first graphic (beginners team) as a template
[00:50] <ScottL> huh, i thought somebody would like the header graphic at the sandbox page :(
[00:58] <persia> You don't even know if anyone looked at the page yet :p
[00:58]  * persia thinks the header is a bit busy
[00:59] <persia> Compare https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Header (yeah, I should do something with that team)
[01:01] <persia> Or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Menu (and yeah, that team too.  One of these days I'll be caught up with my TODOs again)
[01:03] <persia> Content still needs cleanup (nice to stick logs on other pages for reference, but not being main content; needs general review/cleanup so a Table of Contents reads sensibly; etc.)
[01:04] <persia> ScottL, Als, Riddell was asking about publication in -release for other flavours: you may want to pipe up there.
[01:04] <persia> s/Als/Also/
[01:18] <ScottL> persia, what am i contacting riddell about in -release?
[01:18] <persia> publication of RCs (if we're ready)
[01:18] <ScottL> ah, will do
[01:18] <persia> He'll explain in more detail than I understand if you ask.
[01:20] <ScottL> persia, the header is rather busy, i agree...i'm just using it to get started, using the code :)
[01:20] <ScottL> i'm still knocking it up mind you
[01:21] <persia> Heh, OK.
[01:39] <ScottL> persia, crisis averted ;) lol
[01:40] <ScottL> so what happened during lucid?  who signed off then
[01:40] <persia> luisbg
[01:40] <persia> Or maybe Luke did, I may misremember.
[02:04] <ScottL> persia, i spoke with doctormo about his wizardpen package, it hasn't been promoted into the archives and he hasn't filed a bug to do so either
[02:05] <ScottL> i thought that i would speak with quadrispro first to see if it can get into debian, but if not, i'll file a bug for it and see about getting it into REVU
[02:05] <persia> OK.  There's also some guide to "make Wacom work" that points at his PPA.
[02:06] <ScottL> i did tell him that we would really like it in ubuntu studio, and it would therefore need to be in the archives before we could do that
[02:06] <persia> I'll be seeing him in ~3 weeks, and will push on that idea some more.
[02:06] <ScottL> do you know how well the wacom-tools package works?
[02:06] <ScottL> what's happening in ~3 weeks?
[02:07] <persia> Nope.  I haven't yet gotten enough desire to find out to get a Wacom :)
[02:07] <ScottL> i'll try to keep reinforcing to him about getting it into the archives as well
[02:07] <persia> UDS
[02:07] <ScottL> oh yeah, duh :s
[02:10] <holstein> hmmm
[02:10]  * holstein has a wacom tablet
[02:10] <holstein> an older one
[02:11] <holstein> im not even sure if i would know if it was working properly though
[02:11] <ScottL> lol
[07:51]  * abogani waves
[07:52] <astraljava> o/
[07:53] <abogani> Who is Ralf Mardorf?
[07:54] <abogani> Is he already know person inside Studio project or Ubuntu?
[07:54] <astraljava> No idea, but saw his post just a while back.
[07:55] <astraljava> LP doesn't really know him.
[07:56] <astraljava> Seems to be pretty vocal on audio-related projects all over the 'net.
[07:58] <abogani> Perhaps I misunderstood his email but he seems a troll to me.
[07:59] <astraljava> I didn't get that impression. He just seems to be pretty serious about the latency, and knows what can affect that on a system.
[08:00] <persia> Trick is balance of latency and featureset, which gets extra-complicated quickly.
[15:49] <astraljava> All amd64 tests completed successfully.
[16:10] <scott-work> awesome!
[19:29] <scott-work> *sigh* hopefully soon, people will understand why we understand the -rt kernel is valuable, why we can't offer it in the ISO, andthat we are trying to provide the best solution for users as we can
[19:30] <astraljava> Normally, people have limited understanding for middle-ground. It's one way or the other.
[19:30] <scott-work> and i also appreciate ronj and rlameiro for jumping in the discussion on the mailing list
[19:30] <scott-work> astraljava: true
[19:30] <scott-work> astraljava: i think you were involved in one of the other kernel threads, thank you as well
[19:31] <scott-work> it's frustrating at times, i got the sense that Ralf expected we just chose to remove the -rt kernels by choice, without warrant
[19:31] <astraljava> scott-work: No need to thank, I just offered my limited resources for the process of providing a lower-latency kernel, whichever is to be decided on.
[19:31] <astraljava> scott-work: Seemed that way at one point, yeah.
[19:32] <scott-work> as if  we made such a gross change without intellectual consideration
[19:32] <scott-work> i hope this email helps that
[19:32] <astraljava> True.
[19:38] <scott-work> this would be a good topic for the help.u.c. FAQ
[19:39] <scott-work> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/FAQ
[19:39] <astraljava> Sure would.
[19:39] <holstein> i think abogani said it best
[19:39] <holstein> when he called for assistance maintaining the PPA
[19:40] <holstein> you can find just as many folk upset about the devices that didnt work with the RT kernel i bet
[19:40] <holstein> or something RT related in a negative
[19:54] <scott-work> i'm very happy that people are stepping up and offering to help
[19:55] <scott-work> how that translates into how many people that actually help is to be seen, i guess
[19:56] <scott-work> i know i would like to learn a little (or more) about how a -lowlatency kernel is compiled from the -generic
[19:56] <scott-work> maybe abogani can write something up to help that
[20:00] <holstein> and i think that should be mentioned as well
[20:00] <holstein> the pro user might just want to make their own kernel anyways
[20:01] <holstein> but nothing is really any different than before
[20:01] <holstein> if the PPA keeps going
[20:01] <holstein> and it thats well documented
[20:01] <holstein> i think it will eventually be seen as a win-win
[20:11] <scott-work> i hope that Ralf's influenze is clouding his thinking
[20:14] <scott-work> he seems to not understand that it simply may not be possible to ship the -rt kernel
[20:15] <scott-work> and seems rather fixated on it being available, to the exclusion that ubuntu studio is worthless without it
[20:21] <holstein> yeah
[20:21] <holstein> drop the hammer
[20:21] <holstein> start a new thread
[20:21] <holstein> 'the RT gospel'
[20:22] <holstein> it is *gone*
[20:22] <holstein> BUT available here
[20:29] <scott-work> maybe he just needs validation before he moves forward :)
[21:01] <dholbach> hiya
[21:01] <dholbach> did we hear any general problems about alsa xruns?
[21:01] <dholbach> (10.10)
[21:58] <scott-work> hi dholbach
[21:58] <scott-work> xruns with jackd?
[21:59] <scott-work> i haven't heard anything specific...just the usual general rumblings about kernels, performance and hardware
[21:59] <scott-work> that certainly isn't proof that people have not been experiencing it
[22:00] <dholbach> no, no jack problem
[22:07] <dholbach> ok, I'm having problems with xwax and alsa xruns
[22:26] <holstein> hey rlameiro :)
[22:27] <dholbach> alright, I'm heading out - see you
[22:27] <holstein> dholbach: laterz
[22:28] <rlameiro> cya
[22:28] <rlameiro> holstein: :D
[22:28] <rlameiro> how are you?
[22:28] <holstein> good
[22:28]  * holstein experimenting with jacktrip and netjack a bit today
[22:28] <rlameiro> good
[22:29] <holstein> giving up for now
[22:29] <rlameiro> scott-work: hey :D
[22:29] <rlameiro> mailing list is on fire :D
[22:29] <holstein> right?
[22:29] <holstein> RT warz ;
[22:29] <holstein> )
[22:29] <rlameiro> finally people care about something
[22:29] <rlameiro> thats a good sign
[22:29] <holstein> yeah, im glad to see the activiyty
[22:30] <holstein> SO rlameiro , this VO
[22:30] <holstein> ill totally do an english one
[22:30] <holstein> but i think you should do one as well
[22:30] <rlameiro> yes?
[22:31] <rlameiro> will you record over, o make a new one?
[22:31] <holstein> i think i'll just say 'choose your language'
[22:31] <holstein> something like that
[22:31] <rlameiro> yes
[22:31] <holstein> the installer is in english anyways
[22:31] <rlameiro> the idea is to explain more how the install works
[22:31] <holstein> right?
[22:31] <rlameiro> saying, that you can use the tab key to change to the buttons
[22:32] <holstein> i think it would be nice to have this video with as many languages as possible over it
[22:32] <rlameiro> explain the partition stuff etc
[22:32] <holstein> we can get somebody to do 'austrailian' ;)
[22:32] <rlameiro> yeah, i can dub it in portuguese, its not a problem
[22:32] <holstein> we should be able to find a spanish speaker easy enough
[22:33] <rlameiro> yeah, i think so
[22:33] <rlameiro> and also french
[22:33] <holstein> theres a couple regular germans in OSMP
[22:33] <rlameiro> can be canadian too
[22:33] <holstein> hehe
[22:34] <holstein> rlameiro: whats the time frame for you?
[22:34] <holstein> you want this before maverick is final right?
[22:34] <rlameiro> yeap :D
[22:34] <holstein> i'll try and get a version to you before next week
[22:35] <holstein> what was the video syncing jack app you mentioned?
[22:35] <holstein> i lost my scroll back :/
[22:35] <rlameiro> Xjadeo
[22:35] <rlameiro> you have it in ubuntu studio menu
[22:35] <rlameiro> but you should use cli :D
[22:36] <holstein> i'll see what i can do :)


[19:32] <Z-RAY_> after amateur tries to update MLT to 0.5.6 i have left without ffmpeg modules and even ffpmeg is installed, kdenlive says that some not installed at all. also it says that some sound module is not installed. i spent all day to make "lines and dots" bug dissappear (white lines and dots - was promised to be fixed in MLT 0.5.5) and i couldn't make it, even worse - now modules "avformat module", "Quimage module", "Title module" are missing and reinstalli
[19:32] <Z-RAY_> ng of the program and ffmpeg does not helping.
[19:32] <Z-RAY_> help me please to make this thing work correctly. my skype is "woanerges", or write me here. please, bro's, come on, i need some support here!
[19:32] <Z-RAY_> white dots and lines examples:
[19:32] <Z-RAY_> http://kdenlive.org/sites/default/files/shot1_0.png
[19:32] <Z-RAY_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrFXr_bx2a0


[08:16] <nikolam> I were copying few larger files (biggest is 2 and something GB, all dozen much smaller) to FAT32-formatted USB flash drive, with copy-paste in Thunar
[08:17] <nikolam> But it like transferred 2.3 GB out of 3.5GB of one file (correction biggest one is around that) and it freezes progress bar, doing nothing to continue..
[08:17] <nikolam> And it holds like that for 13 minutes or something
[08:17] <nikolam> Now when I write this, it has more progress and then freezes again
[08:18] <nikolam> Does that means maybe that Kingston USB flash is lying about transfer speed and have some cache on Flash, it needs to flush and there are waits
[08:18] <nikolam> Or/and reporting speed of Thunar is somehow broken
[08:19] <nikolam> Anyway, I get large time period, when it seems nothing is going on , progress is frozen and I , surely, go crazy, not knowing when and how copying is going to finish..
[08:20] <nikolam> So  in case of copying to USB flash, progess is useless
[08:21] <nikolam> Or copy process doesnt make sure data is really copied to flash and just flushes it to USB to handle or something, or can not make sure to know what is going on.
[08:21] <nikolam> I bet there are no such waits on MS windows (except they use that "safe removal" thing before removing USB flash
[08:22] <nikolam> At least some info could be available to user to know what is going on with USB to flash copying operation... and not just freezing with "high speed" transfer info
[08:23] <nikolam> And now it finished copying all files and closed transfer window
[08:23] <nikolam> But didn't have any report during the process, once it freezed copying that one large file
[08:24] <nikolam> Umount is fast, so it surely wait to finish before closing transfer window, but it seems thast displaying of the transfer in Thunar is for large improvement
[08:27] <nikolam> got to go now
[10:21] <scrub> I have a question regarding Xubuntu. When will we able to watch video's on Vudu.com via web browser?
[10:27] <diogenes_> how is that a Xubuntu question?
[10:28] <scrub> I'm using Xubuntu so I figured I'd come here to ask the question?
[10:29] <diogenes_> this it a question for the website owner.
[10:30] <scrub> There's no work-around?
[10:42] <guiverc> scrub, it's likely related to browser string and the web site you're going to (refusing to work when string isn't on a set list of approved strings).. maybe an extension that changes your browser ID string, but that's guess (as only vudu.com will know what they require)
[10:42] <scrub> Ah. Gotcha
[10:42] <scrub> Thank you!
[20:18] <Anonamy> hi, I recently upgraded Xubuntu from 16.04 to 18.04 and then to 20.04,
[20:18] <Anonamy> Where can I find the settings file for xfce4 desktop ?
[20:19] <Anonamy> for some reason the settings editor doesn't work on the desktop settings (I can't change the wallpapers folder its stuck at (none))
[20:21] <gnrp> Anonamy: Not sure, but check out .config/xfce4
[20:22] <gnrp> depending on which desktop settings you want to change, e.g., xfce4-panel.xml
[20:22] <gnrp> sorry, I mean ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml
[20:22] <gnrp> Anonamy: If you are unsure and don't want to invest too much time, it might be worth just moving away the settings and starting with a fresh profile
[20:23] <Anonamy> gnrp, yes I am doing that I renamed the ~/.config/xfce4 folder to xfce4.bak, just have to reset the conputer now
[20:23] <Anonamy> or can I reload XFCE without resetting ?
[20:24] <gnrp> Anonamy: Just log out and in again
[21:42] <xu-help48w> Hi
[21:43] <xu-help48w> Can any one plz help me with an issue in my Xubuntu installation
[21:55] <diogenes_> !ask
[21:59] <xu-help48w> I have no sound output, the mixer shows only dummy output. I can see the sound level going up and down but have no sound  output from the speajers
[21:59] <xu-help48w> Sspeakers
[22:01] <xu-help48w> this is my sound hardware
[22:01] <xu-help48w> Audio:     Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Kabini HDMI/DP Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel
[22:01] <xu-help48w>            v: kernel bus ID: 00:01.1
[22:01] <xu-help48w>            Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 15h Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
[22:01] <xu-help48w>            bus ID: 00:09.2
[22:01] <xu-help48w>            Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.4.0-65-generic
[22:03] <xu-help48w> I've done some research in forums but none has an answer specifically to this hardware
[22:05] <Maik> xu-help48w: google for "mixer shows only dummy output", there should be some topics about that to be found
[22:05] <xu-help48w> II've killed and started pulseaudio with no luck
[22:05] <Maik> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/06/fix-no-sound-dummy-output-issue-in.html
[22:06] <xu-help48w> reading...
[22:06] <Maik> https://itsfoss.com/fix-sound-ubuntu-1304-quick-tip/
[22:06] <Maik> there's still more to be found just search
[22:13] <xu-help48w> thanks now i have to reboot
[22:14] <Maik> np
[22:15] <dabblerdude> Hello everyone.
[22:15] <Maik> hi dabblerdude
[22:15] <Maik> !ask
[22:15] <Maik> !discuss
[22:16] <dabblerdude> I've been having a recurring issue on Xubuntu 20.04 LTS where my desktop freezes up, but I can move my mouse cursor around and can access a TTY.
[22:18] <genii> You may want to issue the  top command in the terminal you can access to see what's eating up the resources
[22:18] <genii> ( and use q to exit it)
[22:21] <dabblerdude> @qenii So I should go into a TTY and use the top command?
[22:25] <genii> dabblerdude: Doing so would inform you of what applications or process are using the most system resources and bogging the machine down to a crawl
[22:26] <genii> At that point, depending on what the application is, you could choose to kill it, or restart it, or study the problem further
[22:30] <dabblerdude> genii: Thank you for your help. The next time my system freezes up, I will try out that top command.
[22:31] <genii> Glad to assist


[16:27] <DF3D2> Fuchs, hmm but I have no "bars" on the second monitor now, just a wallpaper. I can right click to launch things I guess?
[16:27] <ThePendulum> actionParsnip: For some reason it seems to be 'stuck' with the icon; http://i.imgur.com/VoCAfvN.png
[16:27] <ThePendulum> actionParsnip: It keeps showing a title from a window weeks ago
[16:27] <netlar> I have noticed that when I open some applications, they open behind the application I am already using.  Is there some setting in Ubuntu to prevent that?
[16:28] <Fuchs> DF3D2: probably, yes. Not sure what exactly fglrx did and if there is a window manager running on that screen. If not: run one. If lxde / openbox  is also running there: jup, right click should work
[16:28] <actionParsnip> ThePendulum: if you kill the chrome processes manually, does it go?
[16:28] <Fuchs> DF3D2: given you just want a terminal anyway: have that in the autostart, set to that monitor
[16:28] <Fuchs> (and maximized and sticky and whatnot)
[16:29] <DF3D2> Fuchs, right click had no options to actually run anything :S I'm not sure a window manager is running ,instead of a mouse cursor I have a Big X
[16:29] <DF3D2> lol.
[16:29] <ThePendulum> actionParsnip: No, that title keeps showing up
[16:29] <Fuchs> DF3D2: oh, then run one
[16:29] <ThePendulum> actionParsnip: I even just completely reinstalled Chrome, heh
[16:29] <ThePendulum> It's still stuck with that TBS on Nederland 3 title
[16:29] <DF3D2> Fuchs, with what, some kind of EXPORT=$DISPLAY:0 command ?
[16:29] <Fuchs> DF3D2: you can run something with a prepended DISPLAY variable to it, e.g.  DISPLAY=:1  (or 0.1, depending how fgrlx did set it up)
[16:29] <DF3D2> forget the syntax
[16:30] <DF3D2> Fuchs, yeah
[16:30] <Fuchs> DF3D2: you shouldn't have to export it (because then it will be set for all shells, you don't want that), just prepend it to the command
[16:30] <Fuchs> e.g.  DISPLAY=:1 xterm
[16:30] <DF3D2> Fuchs, how do I list displays ?
[16:30] <Fuchs> (or the executable of a WM, if you want one)
[16:30] <DF3D2> like the numbers
[16:30] <pythonista> How do I set the refresh rate /debug graphics card (xrandr is not working and I get a warning about my graphics card when I try to upgrade from 12 to 14. http://askubuntu.com/questions/524408/how-to-check-and-set-refresh-rate-with-nvidia-graphics-card
[16:31] <Fuchs> DF3D2: lsof should list them, but that might be a bit of a pain,
[16:31] <Fuchs> DF3D2: see if they are in /tmp/.X11-unix/
[16:31] <DF3D2> Fuchs, seems 0 is my hdtv, but DISPLAY=:1 doesn't seem to work
[16:31] <Fuchs> DF3D2: or see in /var/log/ what Xorg logs you have
[16:31] <Fuchs> DF3D2: depending on how fglrx did set up that one, it could as well be 0.0 and 0.1
[16:32] <Fuchs> Xorg logs should tell you that
[16:32] <DF3D2> Fuchs, seems to be 0 and 1
[16:32] <DF3D2> based on xorg logs
[16:32] <Ladon> I connect to my server via xrdp (sue me.) and when I'm using a terminal if I hit left or backspace too many times I get repeating tones (which I'd like to disable) and the terminal locks up until the tones are complete. Is there a way to disable the tone and this behavior?
[16:33] <Fuchs> DF3D2: then DISPLAY=:1 someapplication    should work, I think
[16:33] <Fuchs> DF3D2: maybe you want to run a window manager there though, such as openbox
[16:33] <DF3D2> Fuchs, x@media:/var/log$ DISPLAY=:1 openbox
[16:33] <DF3D2> Openbox-Message: Failed to open the display from the DISPLAY environment variable.
[16:33] <usr13> Ladon: Are you talking about error beeps?
[16:34] <Fuchs> DF3D2: openbox might have a better option for that, but I don't have openbox at hand, maybe it has --display or something, see man openbox
[16:34] <Ladon> Yes, usr13, I've disabled sound on the client but the host still plays them.
[16:34] <Fuchs> Ladon: most terminals have an option for that, else:  xset b off
[16:34] <Fuchs> oh, the host? Heh.
[16:34] <Ladon> Ideally I'd like to disable the tones and to prevent me from backspacing "too far"
[16:34] <Ladon> errr, host... s... master?
[16:35] <DF3D2> Fuchs, seems not, looking in to it
[16:35] <usr13> Ladon: Desktop PC?
[16:35] <Fuchs> DF3D2: good luck. I have to leave in a bit, sorry. But I think you're on the right track :)
[16:36] <usr13> Ladon: It is a Desktop coputer, (not a laptop), right?
[16:36] <DF3D2> Fuchs, for sure thanks for the help
[16:36] <Ladon> yeah, a desktop.. seems like xset b off works
[16:36] <Fuchs> you're welcome, then  (both)
[16:36] <Ladon> I really need a good beginners guide to linux that doesn't get toooo basic
[16:36] <Ladon> thanks Fucks!
[16:36] <usr13> Ladon: Just disconnect the speaker.
[16:36] <Fuchs> *offs*
[16:36] <Ladon> err, Fuchs!
[16:36] <Fuchs> Ladon: tab should auto-complete nicks to avoid that sort of thing ;)
[16:36] <Fuchs> you're welcome
[16:37] <Ladon> haha I usually use tabs but I figured "it's so easy!"
[16:37] <DF3D2> Fuchs, you were right
[16:38] <DF3D2> Fuchs, it was 0.1, DISPLAY=:0.1 openbox & works
[16:38] <pythonista> How can I change the refresh rate for my monitor? (xrandr not working) http://askubuntu.com/questions/524408/how-to-check-and-set-refresh-rate-with-nvidia-graphics-card
[16:38] <Fuchs> DF3D2: lovely
[16:38] <Fuchs> pythonista: nvidia-settings can do it if the monitor supports multiple ones, else you have to override EDID detection. Hint: you don't want to. If you really want to (you don't): it's in the appendix of the nvidia readme on how to override that.
[16:38] <DF3D2> Fuchs, now I can have my xbmc and my music app seperate and not have anything interfere with the other. I'll add that command to my startup script
[16:39] <Fuchs> DF3D2: great
[16:39] <Ladon> now to figure out how to disable effects in MATE... that's a fun thing to google?
[16:40] <usr13> pythonista: Why do you need to change refresh rate?
[16:40] <usr13> pythonista: xrandr | pastebinit   #send url
[16:41] <pythonista> usr13: monitor is giving me a headache, want to make sure it is not too low. Also getting a warning message when I upgrade from 12 to 14 (see link)
[16:41] <usr13> pythonista: xrandr | pastebinit   #send url
[16:41] <Ladon> oh, another question! I want to have a set of folders "first" so that they're not sorted "a b g m z" but "#g #z a b m" ... how do I do that and is there a preferred character? I know I can use ".g .z a bm" but then they're hidden
[16:41] <Ladon> unless I can show hidden files by default without ctrl+h every time
[16:42] <pythonista> usr13: http://askubuntu.com/questions/524408/how-to-check-and-set-refresh-rate-with-nvidia-graphics-card
[16:42] <DF3D2> Fuchs, oh nice. I can enable Xinerama so I can still drag windows if I want
[16:42] <Stoner19> can anyone help me understand how to auto start a daemon after reboot?
[16:43] <Stoner19> sudo crontab -e
[16:43] <Stoner19> added @reboot ./daemon /home/ubuntu/file
[16:43] <Stoner19> is that not the right way to do it?
[16:43] <usr13> pythonista: You sent that link several times now.  I think we got it.
[16:43] <usr13> pythonista: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia*list
[16:44] <pythonista> Fuchs: I may just be blind, but I've looked through the nvidia settings menu and I don't see a way to explicitly set the refresh rate
[16:44] <usr13> pythonista: It seems to me that you just need to setup the nvidia driver again.
[16:45] <Fuchs> pythonista: I'm not at home with my beloved nvidia card currently, but it is in the same part as the resolution is (The display config page), there is a drop down. Hang on
[16:45] <unclescratchie> wifi ----  when I run lspci -vnn -d 14e4:    I get access denied......anyone know how to fix this
[16:45] <Fuchs> pythonista: right of "resolution", I'd say
[16:48] <nusr> how can i access root on my machine?
[16:48] <nusr> i tried su but authentication failure
[16:48] <nusr> i tried using my password to download software from software center
[16:48] <SchrodingersScat> nusr: have you tried sudo?
[16:48] <nusr> and the password is ok
[16:49] <SchrodingersScat> !sudo | nusr
[16:49] <nusr> sudo produces some other text
[16:49] <nusr> does not prompt me for password
[16:50] <SchrodingersScat> what other text?
[16:50] <EOBeav> If you've already had that terminal open and have previously entered your pw after a sudo command, it probably won't ask for it again
[16:50] <nusr> yes! sudo -i is the command
[16:50] <daftykins> nusr: so your prompt changed to root@ instead of user@
[16:50] <nusr> when i type sudo, it says usage: sudo -h -k  and so on
[16:51] <nusr> no it was still user name
[16:51] <nusr> but now that i did sudo -i it is root
[16:51] <daftykins> nusr: you realise you have to type 'sudo' with more parameters, not just by itself?
[16:51] <nusr> no
[16:51] <daftykins> if you got usage, you must have run it wrong
[16:52] <daftykins> ah there you go then.
[16:52] <nusr> yeah. new to things
[16:52] <nusr> interent not helpful..linux sites said type "su"
[16:52] <daftykins> nusr: what made you think you needed to run it, then? :)
[16:52] <nusr> so i was su su su
[16:52] <daftykins> yeah never ever use 'su' in ubuntu.
[16:52] <loudaslife> Anyone know how to delete Windows LDM signatures so I can install grub?
[16:52] <nusr> trying to change pc name
[16:53] <genii> nusr: When you're finished using sudo in interactive mode to do admin-type things, make sure you leave the root shell properly by: exit
[16:53] <nusr> i've had to reinstall ubuntu twice this week from messing around without really know what i'm doing
[16:53] <nusr> ok thanks
[16:53] <nusr> or it will still be root?
[16:53] <daftykins> nusr: maybe you should be playing in e.g. virtualbox :)
[16:53] <nusr> hah i installed virtualbox too
[16:54] <nusr> but not enough ram
[16:54] <usr13> !hostname | nusr
[16:54] <nusr> here's something itneresting...of all the pcs i have installed ubuntu on...one..an acer v5 does not like it
[16:54] <nusr> originally had windows 8 on it
[16:54] <loudaslife> So, nobody here can help with LDM Signatures?
[16:54] <nusr> for some reason the screen flickers and gets stuck
[16:54] <nusr> and the machine freezes
[16:55] <nusr> maybe hardware problem
[16:55] <daftykins> nusr: probably a graphics driver issue, we would need a lot more information
[16:55] <nusr> but it's got win7 on it with no problems
[16:55] <nusr> yes
[16:55] <nusr> or a usb
[16:55] <nusr> i tried live boot with mint
[16:56] <nusr> onthat machine which was having problems in ubuntu
[16:56] <nusr> and it couldn't
[16:56] <xangua> !enter | nusr
[16:56] <nusr> anyway
[16:56] <xangua> really, no more enter factoid¿
[16:56] <nusr> !enter |  nusr
[16:56] <nusr> !enter | nusr
[16:56] <daftykins> xangua: a certain someone has been deleting all the useful ones
[16:56] <daftykins> nusr: please stop typing that
[16:57] <nusr> what does thatdo?
[16:57] <daftykins> nusr: the suggestion is that we would like for you to type full sentences and not use the enter key as punctuation, it is irritating and floods the channel with spam
[16:57] <usr13> loudaslife: I don't know if this is relevant (looks old), but:
[16:57] <usr13> loudaslife: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1061255
[16:58] <nusr> ok
[16:58] <camilleqco> oh dear I just upgraded to 14.04 and wireless won't work on resume
[16:58] <camilleqco> nightmare
[16:59] <daftykins> camilleqco: if you can't get by without using sleep mode, share the wireless adapter or look into it for whether there are driver issues
[16:59] <camilleqco> i don't see an option for sleep mode here
[17:00] <camilleqco> daftykins
[17:00] <daftykins> camilleqco: oh you mean hibernate then?
[17:05] <Keira23>  Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://tinyurl.com/ozfvxy3
[17:11] <priuon> hello. gedit the pdf reader and gnumeric in xubuntu store a position pointer for each file. How can this be disabled?
[17:15] <bernardino> int
[17:16] <acovrig> I have an ubuntu box with an external facing nic, I need to access an internal openvpn instance on a separate box, what are the iptables commands I need to accomplish this?
[17:19] <driftboy> INFOWARS!
[17:33] <C399> Hi
[17:33] <C399> Is HTMLused in Ubuntu?
[17:35] <C399> Sleepnbum
[17:35] <C399> Nice nick :)
[17:36] <daftykins> C399: what do you mean?
[17:36] <xangua> html is used in websites, yes
[17:36] <C399> Is thanks xangua
[17:36] <C399> @daftykins For web browser clients
[17:37] <daftykins> C399: are you asking if web browsers in Ubuntu work with HTML?
[17:37] <C399> Yes
[17:37] <daftykins> C399: of course they do, that's a ridiculous question
[17:37] <C399> Hehehe
[17:37] <C399> Pardon me, I am new to HTML concepts
[17:38] <daftykins> this is not a web design channel
[17:38] <C399> No but the operating system is Ubuntu
[17:38] <C399> Just for compatibility reasons :)
[17:38] <daftykins> right, and the main browser is Firefox which can be had on many different operating systems
[17:40] <C399> Ah so the MIME is universal than
[17:40] <_root_> hello
[17:40] <C399> hello root
[17:40] <_root_> could someone identify this font http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=43073&file1=43073-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Murrine+Theme+Pack
[17:41] <C399> Is ruby compatible in Wine for Ubuntu?
[17:41] <daftykins> ruby can be native to Linux, it doesn't need WINE
[17:41] <m1chael> i have a file called "new_dsa.pub" it is a Public key file to login to SSH. I obtained it from CPanel. I want to SSH in to the host now and having trouble figuring out my next step
[17:42] <daftykins> m1chael: please see here for a guide - http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ssh-password-less-login-with-dsa-publickey-authentication/
[17:50] <_root_> could someone identify this font http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=43073&file1=43073-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Murrine+Theme+Pack
[17:51] <C399> Font looks similar to unicode
[17:51] <C399> size 8
[17:54] <cocotton> Hey channel! I'm installing a package (sbt) using an automation tool called Chef. After doing so, I can confirm it is installe by running "dpkg --get-selections | grep sbt", yet our testing tools rather check for it running "dpkg-query -f '${Status} ${Version}' -W sbt" and fails because it finds nothing. Does anyone know what it takes for a package to appear installed when runnung "dpkg-query...." ?
[17:55] <pbx> i run two monitors with lots of windows open and would like my active windows to have a more obvious visual indication of their state. any WM/theme advice on this point?
[17:57] <nemo> cocotton: those commands really aren't equivalent
[17:57] <nemo> cocotton: maybe -W *sbt* might be equiv to the grep
[17:57] <nemo> roughly
[17:58] <myndzi> i interrupted a command line loop inserting rules with ufw and it seems to be in a broken state, how do i find/fix?
[17:58] <myndzi> "error: initcaps [errno 2] iptables: chain already exists."
[17:58] <p1l0t> After the most recent update I keep getting told I need to get the latest version of flash. Did they stop supporting linux?
[17:58] <daftykins> p1l0t: yes
[17:59] <squinty> dpkg-query -f '${Status} ${Version}' -W firefox
[17:59] <squinty> install ok installed 32.0+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:59] <nemo> myndzi: you could flush the table I guess
[17:59] <nemo> start over
[17:59] <myndzi> that would be fine, how do i do that?
[17:59] <p1l0t> daftykins: oh well flash is kind of annoying anyway
[18:00] <nemo> myndzi: http://m8y.org/tmp/clear.txt
[18:00] <myndzi> thanks
[18:00] <nemo> myndzi: oh. you obv don't need the echo. this is just from my script dir
[18:01] <myndzi> welp, that done disconnected me
[18:03] <_root_> C399: sir unicode is not a font it is an encode. or if it is could you give me a link plz
[18:04] <nemo> myndzi: you expected something else from erasing all your rules? ☺
[18:05] <gcosta> hi
[18:06] <nemo> so. does anyone happen to know if 14.04 is vulnerable to https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-3025 ?
[18:07] <nemo> I appear to be running 1.0.1ubuntu2
[18:07] <nemo> and I have no idea if it has patches to fix this
[18:07] <rww> nemo: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2348-1/
[18:07] <rww> nemo: you want 1.0.1ubuntu2.3
[18:10] <nemo> rww: hm. did an update.  need backports? :-/
[18:10]  * nemo checks what he has enabled
[18:10] <rww> nemo: no, it should be on security.ubuntu.com
[18:10] <nemo> huh...
[18:11] <nemo> oh. I *am* on 1.0.1ubuntu2.3 according synaptic
[18:11] <nemo> it is apt that is telling me just 1.0.1ubuntu2
[18:11] <nemo> so I guess the version string isn't quite correct in the app. no biggie.
[18:11] <nemo> thanks!
[18:12] <rww> \o/
[18:13] <x2c3> hello
[18:14] <x2c3> i've installed ubuntu server on my netbook but every time I close the lid, it puts it into standby mode - how do I stop this?
[18:14] <usr13> nemo: apt-cache policy apt
[18:15] <nemo> usr13: ah. my reflex when I hear about a vulnerability in app X is to check what version the app says it is
[18:15] <nemo> rather than the package manager
[18:17] <Ladon> I have two questions, both are related. Easier to use an image than to type it out.
[18:17] <Ladon> https://i.imgur.com/ZcrO5dy.png
[18:17] <Yotsu> Bonoir
[18:18] <x2c3> currently trying http://askubuntu.com/questions/360615/ubuntu-server-13-10-now-goes-to-sleep-when-closing-laptop-lid
[18:19] <nemo> bonsoir
[18:19] <Yotsu> Est-ce que quelqu'un a le temps pour une petite question ? J'ai installé pour enlever KDE et la police d'écriture des menu est plus que toute petite, et parfois même sur fond noir (c'est illisible du coup:/)
[18:19] <Yotsu> installé puis enlevé*
[18:20] <BluesKaj_> Yotsu, anglais s'il vous plait
[18:20] <x2c3> my issue has been resolved
[18:20] <mad_> Is 'patchelf' not available for ubuntu?
[18:20] <Yotsu> oups wrong channel haha
[18:21] <nemo> Ladon: well. for the folders, I would just rename them so they are at the top...
[18:21] <usr13> !info patchelf | mad_
[18:21] <Ladon> nemo, this is just an example. I want a set of folders automatically sorted before the rest of the alphabet.
[18:21] <nemo> Ladon: the others, I'm not sure what order they are in. I think order of mounting to make it easier to find new devices. so maybe you could change the order you mount them in?
[18:22] <nemo> Ladon: riiiight. so... rename them so they start with something that forces that
[18:22] <nemo> Ladon: like start the name with a space or something
[18:22] <Ladon> ...... is there not a way to change the sorting order?
[18:22] <nemo> Ladon: or an underscore
[18:22] <Ladon> so that # (or whatever the preferred character is) comes before a-z 1-0
[18:22] <nemo> Ladon: well. depends entirely on your file manager I imagine
[18:22] <Pici> mad_: Looks like it will be in the next release of Ubuntu, but I don't see anything available for any current releases.
[18:23] <nemo> Ladon: I don't see what's the big deal about adding an _ seems cleaner than screwing around w/ that
[18:23] <Ladon> nemo, in caja using an underscore doesn't move it to the front/top
[18:23] <usr13> Ladon: Looks like you've done it.
[18:23] <nemo> Ladon: oh? I just tested in caja. worked fine
[18:24] <pbx> re my earlier question about launchbar/quicksilver workalikes for ubuntu (synapse, gnome do, kupfer) i've chosen kupfer as the winner :)
[18:24] <Ladon> It ignores that character and sorts them alphabetically anyways... I did edit my...
[18:24] <nemo> Ladon: I did touch {1..10};mv 5 _5;
[18:24] <nemo> and 5 now shows at the top of the list in caja
[18:24] <Ladon> I used update-locale LC_COLLATE=C
[18:25] <nemo> ok..
[18:26] <nemo> Ladon: any particular reason why?
[18:26] <Ladon> because I was trying to get underscores or # to sort before the alphabet
[18:26] <Ladon> it wasn't doing it automatically. I'm running 14.04
[18:26] <Ladon> I followed
[18:26] <Ladon> http://askubuntu.com/questions/239371/how-do-i-list-folders-with-underscores-first
[18:27] <nemo> Ladon: _ works automatically here. US locale
[18:27] <mad_> Pici: Oh dear <.<
[18:27] <nemo> what was your original locale?
[18:27] <Ladon> LC_COLLATE wasn't in local
[18:27] <nemo> ??
[18:27] <Ladon> so I had to add it but I'm using en_US.UTF-8
[18:27] <nemo> that seems rather unlikely
[18:28] <nemo> but you set it to C and not en_US.UTF-8 ? why?
[18:28] <Ladon> to follow that guide blindly. I guess I can try en_US.UTF-8
[18:28] <Ladon> oh. wait. my collate IS en_US~
[18:28]  * Ladon is getting progressively more confused
[18:29] <nemo> should work fine w/ C as well
[18:29]  * nemo reproduces Ladon's odd directories exactly
[18:30] <nemo> Ladon: yeah, _ sorts first, but not #
[18:30] <smart_developer> Why is middleware sometimes referred to as "filter" ?
[18:30] <Ladon> can you show me the output of your locale?
[18:30] <Ladon> I'm so confused because I feel like I have the same settings as you
[18:30] <p1l0t> So I installed Gnash but it's not helping in my either of my browsers. Is there a plugin that goes with it?
[18:31] <nemo> Ladon: nothing to show really. is all en_US.UTF-8
[18:31] <nemo> but you've been screwing around w/ locale, maybe caja is currently spawned in a shell with different settings
[18:31] <nemo> could try logging out and logging back in
[18:33] <calahan> Hi, which shell package you suggest for data backups?
[18:34] <Ladon> ahh the old turn it off and back on again worked
[18:34] <Ladon> thanks, nemo .. sorry that was probably frustrating
[18:34] <Ladon> Well, .... it worked with the test numbers but not with alphabetical folders
[18:35] <p1l0t> Actually it seems that gnash IS working, just that it's like version 10. Is there a way I can misrepresent what version I am on so it at least tries?
[18:36] <Ladon> http://i.imgur.com/B5qIgzR.png
[18:38] <nemo> Ladon: yeah. clearly being a bit arbitrary there.  Well. _.C works, but ew
[18:39] <Ladon> oh god my soul
[18:39] <nemo> Ladon: I'd suggest #mate - btw, quick eyeballing of the caja source suggests to me no particular ordering is being imposed on the devices
[18:39] <limo> hi, does anyone know how to change the font size and icons in ubuntu.. i have a virtual machine running in windows 8.1 with default res at 3200x1800.. while the virtual machine span full screen the apps and windows and fonts are all small and hard to read.. thx
[18:39] <nemo> g_volume_monitor_get_connected_drives
[18:39] <Ladon> alright, I'll ask around on #mate or #ubuntu-mate
[18:39] <nemo> Ladon: you could perhaps file an enhancement request
[18:39] <calahan> Is rsync good for shell backups or should I look for something else?
[18:39] <LordDragon> hi all
[18:39] <nemo> shell backups?
[18:39] <LordDragon> how can i find out what processes are using bandwidth?
[18:40] <LordDragon> and how much
[18:40] <nemo> LordDragon: I don't think netstat will give that detailed a breakdown
[18:40] <calahan> nemo just need to back up files form one folder to another
[18:41] <LordDragon> hmm
[18:41] <nemo> calahan: rsync is good for that, yeah.  could just copy 'em too 😝
[18:41] <LordDragon> is there another tool i can use that will? i just want to know whats using so much bandwidth on my server
[18:41] <nemo> LordDragon: now, at one point I had rate limiting setup on the home network per port and IP
[18:41] <nemo> but you have to set that kinda stuff up in advance
[18:41] <usr13> LordDragon: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108648950/.conkyrc
[18:41] <nemo> LordDragon: welll. you could do a packet dump
[18:41] <nemo> look for high activity
[18:42] <usr13> LordDragon: You can use a conky config that includes that task
[18:42] <nemo> ah. *defers to the experts*
[18:42] <nemo> and. neat.
[18:42] <usr13> LordDragon: (on your desktop)
[18:42] <nemo> I had no idea it could do that
[18:42] <nemo> report by app
[18:43] <LordDragon> wow. that looks pretty complicated
[18:43] <nemo> https://superuser.com/questions/32932/is-there-a-way-to-find-out-what-application-using-most-of-bandwidth-in-linux
[18:43]  * nemo gives this nethogs a shot
[18:44] <nemo> cool... I wonder if it is just a pretty interface around tcpdump
[18:44] <nemo> I used to do that all kinda manually.  tcpdump, look up apps associated w/ ports..
[18:44] <nemo> LordDragon: just installed nethogs here, seems pretty simple
[18:45] <LordDragon> nemo: is it on apt-get ?
[18:45] <nemo> yes
[18:45] <Ladon> nemo, one final question before I disappear into #ubuntu-mate... if I run dpkg --get-selections > list.txt I have a lot of entries that are "deinstall"ed... how do I remove those? o_o
[18:46] <usr13> !info nethogs | Ladon
[18:46] <nemo> usr13: you probably meant to send that to LordDragon 😉
[18:46]  * Ladon was like "wait, what?"
[18:46] <usr13> nemo: Yep, I missed again..
[18:51] <numinosis> hi
[18:51] <numinosis> whats new?
[18:52] <numinosis> wnat some friends
[18:52] <numinosis> guys
[18:52] <numinosis> everybody
[18:52] <Ladon> we don't need friends.
[18:52] <Ladon> we have IRC.
[18:53] <Ladon> if I run dpkg --get-selections > list.txt I have a lot of entries that are "deinstall"ed... how do I remove those? o_o
[18:53] <Ladon> also, generic ubuntu question... how the hell do people keep up with the packages that they need to use?
[18:53] <f00dWorksta> so, sometimes unity decides to take a dump... and opening any new window will freeze it for 10s or so, this includes minimising and then restoring a window... Indicators also stops working completely. `unity --replace` fixes the issue, but I lose indicators, keyboard shortcuts, and window menus.... any ideas?
[18:53] <usr13> LordDragon: If you want to remove a package, use apt.  i.e. apt-get remove <package.name.here>
[18:54] <LordDragon> hmm nethogs needs root. is it safe? well known and stuff?
[18:54] <usr13> Ladon: If you want to remove a package, use apt.  i.e. apt-get remove <package.name.here>
[18:54] <Ladon> well, I know how to use apt to remove a package, I'm asking about those that are dkpg marked as deinstalled
[18:54] <Ladon> I want to purge all of those from my system so I get a more accurate readout of what I have installed
[18:55] <tjbiddle> Hey all - not #ubuntu specific, but a general question - figured the knowledge here would be able to answer. I was told that if my server is supporting various SSL/TLS protocols (TLS 1.2, 1.1, 1.0 & SSL v3) that the client (browser) will always pick the highest possible it supports - and as such, it's a *good* thing to support multiple. However I can't seem to phrase this properly in Google to provide a proper source.
[18:55] <usr13> Ladon: How do we keep up with anything... We just install what we want/need.  We uninstall what we don't want/need.
[18:55] <Ladon> usr13, but where do you learn about new packages or software!?
[18:55] <Ladon> There are so.. many... things..
[18:55] <usr13> Ladon: The package management system.
[18:56] <Mangoman> Hi guys! so today i wanted to try to install lubuntu over my ubuntu by using "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop". I switched back to ubuntu standard interface but now im experiencing suspend issues and I got a lubuntu bootscreen. Can anyone help me to remove this?
[18:56] <rberg_> Ladon: something line 'dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall >list.txt' assuming deinstall is what you want to get rid of.. or remove then with --purge
[18:58] <Ladon> rberg_, thanks for the tip! for some reason that command outputs all of the installed items.
[18:59] <rberg_> I might have misunderstood what you are after
[18:59] <wrs> im wanting to install https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/fragment/ which is marked as 'free' however in Ubuntu Software Manager i'm directed to 'Buy' and agree to terms and create an ubuntu account, how can I avoid this?
[19:00] <c|oneman> that's pretty much standard with any appstore
[19:00] <wrs> doesnt happen with all the apps, it happened with steam but i was able to install it using apt-get
[19:01] <mad_> qt5-default is supposed to install qt5 development tools.  I keep istalling single things…
[19:01] <bubbasaures> !register
[19:01] <mad_> Isn't there some more complete package?
[19:02] <pagahemm> weans
[19:03] <bloee> tes
[19:03] <usr13> wrs: You don't necessarily have to use apt-get, it is up to you.  But the bottom line on the site you shared with us says: "License: Proprietary"  (not our concern)
[19:04] <Caramoan> is there any driver for samsung omnia in ubuntu 14.04, Please help me...
[19:05] <wrs> i believe i've mistakenly assumed that the software centre is just a GUI for apt-get
[19:05] <mad_> qt5-default is supposed to install qt5 development tools.  I keep istalling single things… Isn't there a more complete package? Is it broken?
[19:05] <usr13> wrs: It is also possible that there is a ppa for it.
[19:05] <trism> wrs: you really can't, those apps aren't actually in the repos, they are in password protected ppas, even if they're free
[19:05] <usr13> wrs: It is that and more.
[19:06] <kostkon> wrs, you need to login for some, it then adds a private ppa and then installs the software
[19:06] <bloee> #indonesia
[19:06] <kostkon> wrs, only way to install that app is to create an u1 account
[19:07] <wrs> i see, things are making more sense now.. thanks!
[19:07] <f00dWorksta> my indicators are missing after a `unity --replace` anyway to get them back?
[19:08] <bubbasaures> f00dWorksta, Did you reboot?
[19:09] <trism> f00dWorksta: try: restart unity-panel-service;
[19:09] <f00dWorksta> bubbasaures: I know reboot works... am trying to see if there is a way to get it back without a reboot...
[19:09] <bubbasaures> f00dWorksta, try what trism suggests.
[19:10] <f00dWorksta> trism: "restart: unknown job: unity-panel-service"
[19:10] <trism> f00dWorksta: which ubuntu version are you on?
[19:11] <f00dWorksta> trism: 14.04
[19:12] <kostkon> f00dWorksta, restart unity with:  setsid unity
[19:13] <bugtraq> wierless driver
[19:14] <El-Capitan_Balal> Hi everyone
[19:14] <Ladon> how do I make xset b off default?
[19:15] <bonyhoax> Hi! I use i3, and I have an issue with the keyboard layout. I use setxkbmap 'ch(fr)' to set my layout properly, but stays only for the current session. How can I make it permanently? I tried to add it to my /etc/profile/, but it didn't work.
[19:16] <bugtraq> i ned wierless driver
[19:16] <FiReSTaRT> hey guys, has anyone run a standard mac keyboard on a linux box? does the command key get mapped as alt automatically or did you have to mess around with mapping?
[19:17] <trijntje> what is the best place to put a custom script that has to be used by all users of the system?
[19:18] <genii> trijntje: Traditionally, rc.local
[19:20] <andrew444> exit
[19:21] <trijntje> genii: I mean where to put it on the filesystem, in which folder
[19:21] <genii> trijntje: /usr/bin
[19:21] <El-Capitan_Balal> Is thee another channel on this network for ubuntu support
[19:21] <El-Capitan_Balal> I am having an issue i cant find a fic on
[19:22] <El-Capitan_Balal> fix*
[19:22] <El-Capitan_Balal> or should i just lay it on you guys in here?
[19:23] <pbx> FiReSTaRT, generally should work without tweaks
[19:23] <trijntje> El-Capitan_Balal: this is the place to ask
[19:23] <trijntje> genii: cool, thanks
[19:23] <genii> El-Capitan_Balal: Usual way is to just ask in here if you run regular Ubuntu... if you use one of the other ones like Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu Server, or Kubuntu, ask in that specific channel instead. Then wait a while for a reply, if non in abut 10-15 minutes, re-ask
[19:23] <squinty> El-Capitan_Balal:  type   /topic     and then ask your question. if someone can help they will respond
[19:24] <El-Capitan_Balal> yeah i am on ubuntu 14.05
[19:24] <El-Capitan_Balal> but here it goes
[19:24] <smart_developer> How can you check what is the max number of processes your system can manage (by changing the ulimit) ?
[19:24] <El-Capitan_Balal> I am having this issue I was trying to see if I could get the vidalia enviroment to run on ubuntu 14.04. It installed like half of it but it errored half way in.  Now when I go to software center it says. New software cannot be installed because there is a problem with the current software. Do you want to repair this problem now.
[19:24] <El-Capitan_Balal> So I hit yes. Then this: (Reading database ... 100%
[19:24] <El-Capitan_Balal> (Reading database ... 262688 files and directories currently installed.)
[19:24] <El-Capitan_Balal> Preparing to unpack .../tor_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb ...
[19:24] <El-Capitan_Balal> Unpacking tor (<IP_ADDRESS>-1) ...
[19:24] <El-Capitan_Balal> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/tor_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[19:24] <El-Capitan_Balal>  trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/tor', which is also in package tor-browser 3.5.4
[19:24] <El-Capitan_Balal> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[19:24] <unopaste> El-Capitan_Balal you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[19:24] <FiReSTaRT> pbx: thanks for the heads up.. am i still required to hold fn for the function keys to work?
[19:25] <squinty> El-Capitan_Balal:  guess you didn't read the  /topic  first huh?
[19:25] <El-Capitan_Balal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8374505/
[19:26] <pbx> FiReSTaRT, no
[19:26] <El-Capitan_Balal> Apologize for that spamming that way
[19:26] <bonyhoax> Where should I put the command setxkbmap 'ch(fr)' to activate it automatically when I open my session?
[19:29] <FiReSTaRT> thanks pbx: so the only thing i have to worry about is the fact that the numbers aren't printed but that's a non issue for me, i type blind anyway :)
[19:29] <genii> bonyhoax: I'm pretty sure in /etc/X11/Xsession.options
[19:30] <bonyhoax> genii ok thanks, I'll try
[19:30] <bonyhoax> so, I just put this command at the end of the file?
[19:30] <soulisson> Hi, i would like to install skype, i tried to install the deb package but it didn't work
[19:30] <verzweifelt_vorm> hallo, kann mir jemmand bei der hdmi-einstellung helfen? :-S
[19:31] <genii> bonyhoax: Yes. If it's in there instead of a specific user's .xinitrc or such, then it should also work for the lightdm login too
[19:31] <verzweifelt_vorm> leider stellt sich beim verbinden automatisch die auflösung um, bei beiden geräten, obwohl in den einstellungen das gleiche steht
[19:31] <genii> !de | verzweifelt_vorm
[19:31] <bonyhoax> genii Ok brilliant. I hope it works.
[19:34] <smart_developer> How do you increase the number of processes allowed on your system by ulimit ?
[19:34] <__zug__> Ubuntu 14.04 says installing chrome could cause issues. I can ignore this warning, right? Or is there a best way of installing Chrome on 14.04?
[19:35] <bonyhoax> genii It didnt work...
[19:35] <trijntje> __zug__: what is the exact error you get, and where did you get chrome?
[19:35] <__zug__> Also, can anyone recommened this webpage, looks like a good source: http://howtoubuntu.org/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr
[19:36] <__zug__> trijntje: Got the Chrome .deb from https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/
[19:36] <__zug__> The software center gives me the mesage
[19:36] <__zug__> message*
[19:37] <genii> bonyhoax: Sorry for lag, work required me. Let me investigate and get back to ou
[19:38] <__zug__> I"m thinking I can just ignore & install, it gives me that option. Though it does warn the package could cause my system to be unstable.
[19:38] <trijntje> __zug__: which message? If we don't have the exact error we cant help
[19:38] <__zug__> trijntje: let me reprodeuce the error...one second
[19:38] <bonyhoax> genii ok no problem!
[19:40] <squinty> smart_developer:  fwiw  man ulimit ->  Warning: This routine is obsolete.  Use getrlimit(2), setrlimit(2), and sysconf(3) instead.
[19:41] <p1l0t> When modifying this consider also exporting
[19:41] <p1l0t> +# GNASH_PLUGIN_DESCRIPTION to match the version.
[19:41] <p1l0t> I updated setFlashVersion to version 15 :)
[19:41] <trism> squinty: help ulimit; not man
[19:41] <p1l0t> but where do I find this GNASH_PLUGIN_DESCRIPTION environment varible?
[19:42] <squinty> trism:   ??
[19:44] <diegore> ?
[19:44] <keevitaja> does anyone use phpstorm? it looks and feels like it runs on wine or something
[19:44] <bonyhoax> genii I found it. It is an option I had to set in i3. It's fine now!
[19:45] <genii> bonyhoax: Cool! I found recommendations to put it in either the user's .bash_profile or .profile file. If you put it in /etc/skel/.profile should be for all users that get made after
[19:45] <jhutchins> p1l0t: Your context is vague, but you can "find" it by doing set | grep GNASH, you can set it by doin  GNASH_PLUGIN_DESCRIPTION=<something>
[19:45] <trism> squinty: the ulimit he is talking about is managed by bash builtin ulimit, or pam_limits, not the posix function
[19:46] <squinty> trism:  ok thanks for the update
[19:46] <p1l0t> jhutchins: Yeah GREP didn't think about that. I guess all else fails I'll just try adding it.
[19:47] <bonyhoax> genii, I tried in (almost) all these files, but it didn't work. Maybe the i3 DE overwrites this option.
[19:47] <p1l0t> jhutchins: Now all I need is list of flash player descriptions
[19:47] <genii> bonyhoax: Interesting
[19:51] <ralphy> Hello i am trying to run tcpdump but filter out any port 65535 traffic (which is my vpn server).. but i try, tcpdump -i ppp0 -vvvv not port 65535, and i've tried putting it in brackets "not port 65535" yet it still shows me port 65535 traffic???
[19:52] <Mike9863> I'm trying to get more multitouch features for my touchpad on 14.04. I have tried using easystroke and touchegg but neither seem to detect my touchpad input. Ubuntu's regular multitouch features work like 4 finger swipe to reveal unity bar, so I should be able to get more to work. Any help?
[19:55] <Geo> via CLI, how can I tell how much HD space the contents of a particular directory is using?
[19:55] <quantibility> ok, so, can i have ubuntu on a pen drive and only use it for the kernal and booting but store anything that requires writing and saving on a regular hard drive?
[19:55] <jhutchins> Mike9863: What doesn't it do that you think you should?  If it can register a four-finger swipe, it's probably recognizing gestures ok, but whatever program you're in isn't interpreting them as you expect.
[19:57] <jhutchins> quantibility: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[19:57] <Mike9863> jhutchins: Those programs don't detect my touchpad input so I cannot register any new inputs. The four finger swipe that works right now is currently built into Unity. I would like to configure my own gestures to commands.
[19:58] <bubbasaures> quantibility, you can use a usb drive as an internal depending on the size of it, the kernal refrence is a bit odd is all.
[19:58] <quantibility> 32 gig 3.0
[19:59] <ralphy> Hello i am trying to run tcpdump but filter out any port 65535 traffic (which is my vpn server).. but i try, tcpdump -i ppp0 -vvvv not port 65535, and i've tried putting it in brackets "not port 65535" yet it still shows me port 65535 traffic???
[19:59] <bubbasaures> quantibility, Can you give a clear description of the usb's use?
[20:00] <bubbasaures> A full install seems usable at that size and may run okay at usb 3
[20:02] <jhutchins> I did a normal install on a usb(2?) drive and it was just too slow to be useable.
[20:02] <El-Capitan_Balal> can anyone help me with this issue here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8374505/
[20:02] <jhutchins> A setup tuned for USB using stuff like squashfs would probably have performed a lot better.
[20:02] <jhutchins> El-Capitan_Balal: Please summarize the problem.
[20:03] <El-Capitan_Balal> my software center is jammed up because of vidalia that didnt install properly
[20:03] <genii> ralphy: I think you need to put something like: not dst port  or: not src port   instead of just: not port
[20:04] <Ben64> is there a way in 14.04 to make update notifications appear in the notification area instead of popping up windows?
[20:06] <theadmin> Ben64: Not that I know of, no. The window should start minimized anyways.
[20:07] <genii> Ben64: The short answer is no. For a detailed explanation see http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/
[20:07] <theadmin> Ben64: You can disable them altogether though
[20:07] <quantibility> well pretty much like the operating system but i want anyting that has to be saved on disk ot be saved on HDD instead of the USB just running the system.
[20:07] <jhutchins> ralphy: I don't see support for that syntax in the man page.
[20:08] <Ben64> genii: is there a longer answer that includes yes? I'm using gnome-fallback and there is a notification area here
[20:09] <jhutchins> ralphy: You might need wireshark for that.
[20:10] <genii> Ben64: If so I haven't found one.
[20:10] <trism> Ben64: it is possible, you can use app indicators and apt-check to get the info, I wrote my own pretty crude scripts to do it, but they removed the functionality from update-notifier
[20:10] <theadmin> Ben64: Just set the update manager not to check for updates and install them manually when you have time.
[20:10] <Ben64> i just like knowing when there are updates, but i don't enjoy the extraneous windows
[20:11] <theadmin> Ben64: eeeh... Yeah, you won't really be able to get that with the update manager
[20:11] <theadmin> Sorreh
[20:11] <Ben64> aw :(
[20:11] <theadmin> They used to provide a tray icon that you could enable via gconf but I think they removed that altogether
[20:12] <theadmin> Ben64: There may be alternate update checkers though. Kubuntu has that "Muon" thing and that has a tray icon.
[20:12] <Ben64> ooh, i'll have to look into that
[20:12] <theadmin> !info muon-notifier
[20:12] <theadmin> Ben64: That.
[20:12] <TJ-> Ben64: I hadn't realised it was missing, since I had to switch to KDE ... which has a nice notification scheme
[20:13] <Ben64> maybe i should just install kubuntu on vbox and see how i like it
[20:13] <ralphy> jhutchins: why?
[20:13] <ralphy> jhutchins: tcpdump is capable filters?
[20:13] <TJ-> Ben64: I had one response when I switched from Unity .... "ahhh, I'm home again!"
[20:14] <theadmin> Ben64: KDE is pretty awesome. I like Unity myself, not too sure why, but KDE definitely is more configurable and functional.
[20:14] <Ben64> TJ-: yeah i'm not a fan of unity, but i've used gnome for 10+ years, trying to keep it similar to gnome2 is getting harder and harder each release
[20:14] <farva> Hello, I am working on this tutorial http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-configure-dns-nameserver-ip-address/ and am stuck on appending my ISP name server. I need to add 2 DNS to point to my IPs, can I see an example of one of these files?
[20:14] <theadmin> Ben64: Also, XFCE is highly similar to Gnome 2.
[20:14] <theadmin> Ben64: So you may enjoy Xubuntu.
[20:14] <Ben64> last i checked, xfce doesn't have all the fancy applets that i like
[20:15] <zzxc> Ben64: Like what?
[20:15] <TJ-> KDE works well for complex work spaces; My (in)famous 6 monitors over 3 GPUs configuration works really well with KDE, but with Unity/Gnome it was a terrible experience
[20:15] <theadmin> Ben64: I think there's some thing that allows you to use Gnome2 applets in XFCE, the real problem is that they are probably not even in the repos anymore
[20:15] <Ben64> cpu scaling, cpu & memory graph, weather
[20:15] <theadmin> I'm pretty sure Xfce has a built-in CPU/memory graph applet
[20:15] <zzxc> CPU & Memory graphing and weather do exist for xfce.
[20:16] <zzxc> I don't know about scaling applet
[20:16] <theadmin> Dunno what "scaling" means
[20:16] <Ben64> last i tried was 12.04, so maybe it has changed since then
[20:16] <zzxc> Ben64: I've had those in 12.04.
[20:16] <Ben64> where you can see/change the cpu frequency, from like "ondemand" to "performance" or whatever
[20:16] <theadmin> Oh, changing the governor.
[20:18] <farva> can some one show me an example of the modified /etc/resolv.conf file?
[20:18] <Ben64> at the top of /etc/resolv.conf ... it says don't edit it
[20:18] <farva> sifting through the trash on google is doing me no favors
[20:18] <theadmin> farva: Don't edit resolv.conf on Ubuntu, won't do you any good
[20:18] <farva> then how do I add DNS to my IPs?
[20:19] <theadmin> farva: Put stuff in files under /etc/resolv.conf.d/
[20:19] <theadmin> farva: then run "sudo resolvconf -u"
[20:19] <farva> cloudflare is failing me so I am trying to just do it myself
[20:19] <farva> can you link me to a tut?
[20:19] <farva> I am very newb
[20:19] <Ben64> /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/ on my system
[20:20] <theadmin> Oh, that.
[20:20] <theadmin> My bad
[20:20] <rberg_> yep resolvconf is weird I think you can add them here /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
[20:20] <theadmin> farva: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/128223
[20:20] <farva> wha?
[20:21] <theadmin> farva: That's how to do it
[20:21] <stevendumani> I'm trying to install adobe air on trusty 64 bit, as far as I got, it seems that using the 32 bit version is the only solution, however, I've only been able to start the installation using a pkg provided with the program I wanna use (Ayat), but when the installation starts, I get this:
[20:21] <stevendumani> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8374821/
[20:21] <stevendumani> I need to know if there is a better way to install. I downloaded the .bin file (32 bit -Version 2.6) from adobe archive. is there a way to install it on my system instead of this one?
[20:21] <rberg_> or you can add your nameservers in network manager if the gui is your thing
[20:21] <zzxc> You know after beening subscribed to HN I'm starting to think the firehouse of RSS may be a bit much.
[20:22] <theadmin> stevendumani: A 32-bit version will be useless since browsers are 64-bit
[20:23] <zzxc> Woah, Larry Ellison is stepping down from CEO of Oracle.
[20:23] <farva> theadmin: what I am not getting here though is, my DNS nameservers are in there fine. I need to make A records, and SRV records some where don't I?
[20:23] <theadmin> Oh, wait, Air
[20:23] <theadmin> farva: Oh, that. I have no idea about how that's done, sorry.
[20:23] <farva> when I say my name server, what I mean is, the numeric IP of my nameservers are stored
[20:23] <theadmin> stevendumani: Ignore that. Uhm.
[20:23] <farva> xD
[20:23] <theadmin> stevendumani: You should be able to install that .deb package regardless of those warnings.
[20:24] <Ben64> farva: resolv.conf stuff is only the servers used for dns lookups, what are you actually trying to accomplish?
[20:24] <theadmin> stevendumani: If you want to use the .bin file, then in short: chmod +x /path/to/installer.bin && /path/to/installer.bin
[20:24] <stevendumani> theadmin thanks a  lot, I'll try to use the .bin now
[20:26] <theadmin> stevendumani: I don't recommend using Air though, it's unsupported and may have security issues.
[20:27] <stevendumani> theadmin you're right but what can i do... i need it
[20:27] <theadmin> stevendumani: That's awful. Well, good luck.
[20:27] <stevendumani> theadmin thank you :)
[20:30] <El-Capitan_Balal> theadmin: air what?
[20:30] <theadmin> El-Capitan_Balal: Eh, was helping install a person install Adobe Air
[20:33] <farva> can some one help me with my DNS, I need to configure 2 DNS addresses to IPs and I don't know where to start
[20:34] <jhutchins> farva: Are you trying to resolve hostnames within your own net, or trying to have your server resolved from outside your local net?
[20:35] <stevendumani> theadmin it's successful, just one warning Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap" I remember having pixmap though
[20:35] <farva> jhutchins: well, I was working with cloudflare and my DNS was just fine. After I installed my vIPs my DNS for my team speak stopped working, then started, then stopped and this keeps happening
[20:35] <theadmin> stevendumani: Ignore it, it's because of the different architecture
[20:36] <farva> jhutchins:  so I was looking at ditching cloudflare and setting it up myself if I can
[20:37] <farva> since putting in tickets with them is not helping, and my host doesn't see any network issue as to why my DNS keeps messing up
[20:37] <El-Capitan_Balal> oh okay was thinking you were saying air vpn
[20:38] <farva> like right now, I can connect to my team speak via DNS, yesterday I couldn't. Today however, one of my minecraft servers, won't connect via DNS, yesterday it was working
[20:39] <jhutchins> farva: Just set up a local hosts file.
[20:39] <anirudh> hi
[20:40] <jhutchins> edit /etc/hosts (with sudo), <ipaddress> <servername>
[20:40] <farva> and thats it?
[20:40] <farva> really?
[20:40] <farva> lol
[20:41] <jhutchins> farva: If the problem is that DNS lookups aren't reliable, that should fix it.
[20:41] <jhutchins> farva: We do that all the time for developers who think there's a problem with DNS.  They're always wrong, but we humor them.
[20:41] <farva> xD
[20:42] <farva> jhutchins:  can you show me an example of a DNS modified file for this?
[20:43] <farva> I am pretty newb
[20:44] <stevendumani> theadmin I tried to install it without sudo first, but I got a window (xdg-su) asking for root password, but since it's disabled I restarted it with sudo, so now I'm installing my program that requires Adobe Air, but I'm having the same problem. how can i pass "Ayat" to "Adobe Air" with sudo privileges?
[20:44] <farva> jhutchins:  and if the process runs on a specific port, do I enter the <ip:port> <DNS>
[20:44] <jhutchins> You should already have /etc/hosts with at least an entry for localhost
[20:44] <farva> okay, so it just goes in under that
[20:45] <farva> as for port specific processes?
[20:45] <jhutchins> farva: No, the hosts file only converts the host name to an IP address (which is what DNS does too).
[20:48] <jhutchins> farva: If you look at /etc/nsswitch.conf you'll see that for "hosts" it says "files dns".  That means it looks in /etc/hosts first, so if you want to override the IP for a hostname you can do it in the hosts file.
[20:52] <stevendumani> I know this is a silly question, but I don't know where to read now. supposing i have an application named "Adobe AIR Application Installer" and I wanna use it in the terminal, how can I find the file name that I need to call?
[20:53] <stevendumani> I've read about grep but still can't understand it :(
[20:54] <daftykins> stevendumani: can you rephrase?
[20:55] <k1l_> stevendumani: http://askubuntu.com/questions/87447/how-can-i-install-adobe-air got all what you need
[20:59] <boze> when I run the new version of phpstorm from the command line I have to do 'phpstorm&' to get a new instance... Is my .desktop file wrong?
[21:00]  * m3n3chm0 nasZ
[21:00] <stevendumani> daftykins , k1l_ after successfully installing Adobe AIR on trusty 64 bit, what I need right now is installing a program called "Ayat" using Adobe AIR Installer, but it's asking for root password, so I need to pass "Ayat" to "Adobe AIR Installer" but with sudo privileges. what command should i use?
[21:00] <taoli> i am having a complete mental meltdown
[21:01] <daftykins> taoli: that's a shame, unfortunately we only support Ubuntu Linux here, there are no therapists
[21:01] <daftykins> stevendumani: hmm, what does Adobe's documentation say regarding the name of their binaries? how about starting to type "adobe" and hitting tab to see if it offers anything?
[21:02] <k1l_> stevendumani: double click the ayat.air thingy, follow instructions
[21:02] <taoli> i need to match a portion of string starting with whitespace dash " - what is the regex for that?
[21:03] <daftykins> taoli: perhaps #bash is more useful for you
[21:05] <stevendumani> daftykins Adobe Air is not supported in linux since 2011, I tried adobe and tab but no joy, k1l_ I tried that but it's asking for root password in the middle of the installation, what I need to do is to execute it with sudo privileges.
[21:06] <k1l_> then type your sudo password there?!
[21:06] <stevendumani> daftykins the windows and mac versions are 16 now, but the poor linux is only 2.6
[21:06]  * k1l_ thought adobe air was dead anyway
[21:07] <OerHeks> indeed, air for linux is long time ago
[21:07] <stevendumani> k1l_ I tried it it didn't work it needs the root password... which is disabled.
[21:07] <Ben64> stevendumani: did you add that raring repository?
[21:07] <stevendumani> no, I found another workaround
[21:07] <xangua> stevendumani: you disabled what
[21:08] <stevendumani> Ben64
[21:08] <Ben64> stevendumani: good
[21:08] <stevendumani> xangua I didn't disable anything?
[21:08] <stevendumani> but the root password is disabled by default right?
[21:09] <Ben64> root password is, yes
[21:09] <Ben64> sudo works fine though
[21:09] <OerHeks> your 1st account password should do the trick
[21:10] <stevendumani> OerHeks I'm afraid this is impossible, it was lost and I used recovery boot to reset it... :(
[21:11] <OerHeks> so, what is wrong with your new password? this makes no sense to me.
[21:12] <Ben64> stevendumani: type "groups" and paste the result here
[21:14] <taoli> daftykins: nm i figured it out /( - .*)/, stupid lack of sleep and too much beer
[21:17] <stevendumani> OerHeks
[21:17] <stevendumani> when I double-click "Ayat-v1.3.2.air" I get a window "xdg-su: /tmp/air.K05kkX/setup
[21:17] <stevendumani> This application requires administrative rights to run
[21:17] <stevendumani> Please enter root Password:
[21:17] <stevendumani> what I need is: how to run "Ayat-v1.3.2.air" using "Adobe AIR Application Installer" with sudo privileges (using the terminal)?
[21:18] <Ben64> stevendumani: then do that in terminal...
[21:18] <stevendumani> OerHeks I tried sudo Ayat-v1.3.2.air but no joy
[21:19] <Ben64> stevendumani: sudo ./Ayat-v1.3.2.air ... if it is in the same directory
[21:22] <jluc> where is the officiel documentation site ?
[21:22] <jluc> i'm looking for how to install local dev lamp server
[21:23] <k1l_> !lamp | jluc
[21:23] <jluc> great
[21:23] <stevendumani> Ben64 I tried ./Ayat-v1.3.2.air but I'm getting
[21:23] <stevendumani> invalid file (bad magic number): Exec format error
[21:23] <genii> jluc: Perhaps also see: https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/index.html   and if any questions after that, to try #ubuntu-server
[21:23] <stevendumani> but when I double-click, at least the Adobe AIR Installer opens and asks for the installation path and does some progress until I get that stupid window...
[21:24] <jluc> ok thanks !
[21:25] <stevendumani> the question rephrased: I have "Adobe AIR Application Installer" in my GNOME main menu, and "Ayat-v1.3.2.air" on my desktop. how to find the name of the command that I should use for "Adobe AIR Application Installer" so I can tell it to open "Ayat-v1.3.2.air" as sudo?
[21:26] <boze> if I type phpstorm into dash I get 2 icons. One is the .desktop I created and the other is something else? when I click the .desktop I made it launches the other one. How can I find where that second one is coming from?
[21:26] <Ben64> stevendumani: try "file Ayat-v1.3.2.air"
[21:27] <stevendumani> Ben64 Ayat-v1.3.2.air: Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract
[21:27] <Ben64> stevendumani: well there you go, you can't run zip files
[21:28] <stevendumani> Ben64 I don't wanna run it, I wanna run Adobe AIR Application Installer and tell it to open Ayat
[21:29] <funky1> hi there, i get these messages in syslog: ata_id[9783]: HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed for '/dev/sdb': Invalid argument
[21:29] <funky1> what does it mean?
[21:29] <funky1> my sdb drive is still accessible
[21:29] <Ben64> stevendumani: how about "file /tmp/air.K05kkX/setup"
[21:30] <OerHeks> funky1, when did you get that message?
[21:30] <OerHeks> funky1, not all messages in terminal are errors.
[21:30] <funky1> OerHeks, i just see it in syslog and dmesg
[21:31] <funky1> not while doing anything in particular, but as I never had seen it before i was wondering
[21:33] <stevendumani> Ben64 it's deleted as soon as I close the installer, so the new one is file /tmp/air.C99xCr/setup
[21:33] <stevendumani> /tmp/air.C99xCr/setup: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable
[21:34] <Ben64> stevendumani: then copy that somewhere else and you can run it with sudo, no guarantees on success or non-explosion
[21:35] <Judy> Good afternoon.
[21:35] <Judy> HELLO?!
[21:35] <daftykins> hi.
[21:35] <Judy> Outrageous! Forget it!
[21:36] <daftykins> :|
[21:36] <__zug__> I'm on Ubuntu 14.04 and forgot how to stop my terminal cursor to stop blinking. What's the procedure?
[21:37] <genii> There's some visible bell variable to set in the bashrc
[21:37] <OerHeks> funky1, i just found this: "This error is produced by hdparm when using the -i switch on some SCSI and SATA disk drives. hdparm was not designed to be used with SCSI or SATA drives." so no worries
[21:38] <funky1> OerHeks, thx i found that too, but i get this msg every 5 mins in syslog, which is not normal
[21:40] <funky1> OerHeks, also it's a usb disk
[21:40] <k1l_> and that is the cause of that warning
[21:41] <funky1> ah hehe u r also here, so just ignore or should it do anything about it?
[21:41] <jhutchins> __zug__: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/
[21:42] <k1l_> based on this one: http://askubuntu.com/questions/103065/why-do-i-get-hdio-get-identity-failed-message-when-booting-with-external-usb-h  ignore it
[21:43] <funky1> cheers k1l_ and OerHeks for the help!
[21:44] <OerHeks> funky1, have fun
[22:00] <stevendumani> OerHeks ben64 finally, the command is:
[22:00] <stevendumani> sudo "/opt/Adobe AIR/Versions/1.0/Adobe AIR Application Installer" "/home/steve/Desktop/Ayat-v1.3.2.air"
[22:07] <farva> jhutchins: so the teamspeak DNS is working out, the other is not. When I nslookup the DNS, it shows the correct IP, but I cannot connect via DNS
[22:14] <fridaynext> if i'm sending mail from domain1.com's website, but the 'from' address is from domain2.com, do I need dkim for domain2 in domain1's dns records?
[22:16] <farva> jhutchins: one of the DNS addresses is not resolving. I can see it with nslookup, but it won't connect
[22:16] <farva> *I can't connect to it via DNS*
[22:19] <uups> hi people
[22:19] <uups> how is going on
[22:21] <uups> burak
[22:21] <uups> lan
[22:21] <uups> naber
[22:21] <uups> :d
[22:21] <uups> :D
[22:21] <burak> iyi
[22:21] <burak> sen
[22:21] <uups> iyidir birader
[22:22] <Guest77296> merda!
[22:22] <uups> does any one over there
[22:22] <k1l_> !ot | uups
[22:22] <uups> if you are, please text :D
[22:23] <ifireball> can Pidgin show timestamps without plugins?
[22:23] <Guest77296> i guess no
[22:24] <k1l_> ifireball: did you look into the settings menue?
[22:24] <trism> ifireball: in the conversation window, Options/Show Timestamps
[22:24] <ifireball> k1l_: youe gut frustrated with the too many tabs ad buttons
[22:25] <ifireball> trism thanks
[22:25] <TeraJL> anyone playing League o legends on linux has problems with the store in ascension?
[22:26] <Guest77296> such a cool env
[22:26] <ifireball> trism: its checked, still no timestamps in this chat window, any idea?
[22:26] <IdleOne> Guest77296: enough with the random commentary please
[22:27] <k1l_> TeraJL: this runs with wine? then see if the wine guys know about that issue. see appdb on their webpage
[22:27] <_N1X_> hello i have ufi system with luks encryption , and i removed kernel 3.14 how to rebuild the grub
[22:28] <TeraJL> k1l_: evrything on the game has fixes and working fine but with the new patch i'm having problem and still no info about, i just wanted to know if anyone has the same problem so i may fixe it (diferent wine version or something)
[22:28] <TJ-> _N1X_: "sudo update-grub"
[22:29] <OerHeks> _N1X_, if you removed that kernel tru softwarecenter, grub will be updated
[22:29] <k1l_> TeraJL: in general that gets filed in their appdb. or talk to the wine channel and see if that is a known issue
[22:29] <trism> ifireball: I guess it doesn't work in the irc window, strange
[22:30] <_N1X_> OerHeks: i did but dpkg but it won't boot in the old kernel
[22:30] <ifireball> trism: mhmm, no it seesm the plugin I used to allign the nicks hid the timestapms
[22:30] <OerHeks> _N1X_, oke, then use the answer from TJ-
[22:30] <_N1X_> cool
[22:32] <trism> ifireball: yeah I actually see it now, I expected it to just show/hide them but it apparently only applies to new lines
[22:32] <DrChill> Hello all, on my second monitor there are not options to rotate the screen in the display program
[22:33] <DrChill> Is there a way to enable this?
[22:46] <Newman> hello
[22:47] <Newman> i changed the driver of my GPU but now i can't see the screen after boot
[22:47] <Newman> anybody knows how can i fix it?
[22:47] <farva> jhutchins: fixed it, the srv record was still active on cloudflare, I simply disabled it
[22:47] <Newman> or how can i return to the first driver?
[22:48] <blackangelpr> Newman, its ati or nvidia?
[22:48] <Bashing-om> Newman: Try booting in "recovery mode" from grub's boot menu . How did you install the proprietary driver ?
[22:48] <Newman> nvidia
[22:49] <Newman> Bashing-om, i was using the free driver and everything was OK. But i had curiosity to use private driver but this not work
[22:51] <blackangelpr> Newman, http://askubuntu.com/questions/206283/how-can-i-uninstall-a-nvidia-driver-completely
[22:51] <Newman> can i change this configure using a live cd?
[22:52] <blackangelpr> you can go and change to your tty1 ?   ctrl + alt +f1     and terminal will show up
[22:53] <Newman> nope blackangelpr
[22:53] <Newman> i can't do nothing
[22:53] <Newman> i think everything is working but i can't see
[22:54] <Newman> because if i press cntrl+alt+backspace i can listen the sound of the menu login of ubuntu
[22:54] <Newman> but nothing is showing to the screen
[22:54] <Newman> sorry for my perfect english
[22:55] <manni> hi guys, sry for my bad englisch. i have to answer a question which of the UNIX level model (User/Programs/Systenfunctions/Kernel/Hardware) is protected. is it all under Programs!?
[22:56] <Bashing-om> Newman: Try: reboot to grub's boot menu; press 'e' key for edit mode -> boot parameter screen, arrow down and across to "quiet splash" replace with 'text', key combo ctl+x to continue the boot process to terminal (TTY1) . can do ?
[22:56] <Newman> blackangelpr, i can't do the commands because i don't see nothing
[22:56] <blackangelpr> Newman, try what Bashing-om  wrote please
[22:57] <Newman> okey i'm trying
[22:58] <Newman> i have no 'quiet splash' here because i changed it to 'nomodeset'
[22:59] <Newman> nomodeset is the same as text?
[22:59] <Bashing-om> Newman: Good, also add text .
[22:59] <Newman> okey but i remove nomodeset first?
[22:59] <Newman> or just add text
[23:00] <Bashing-om> Newman: nah .. 'nomoseset' may also be of use .. we will see .. just add 'text' beside 'nomodeset' .
[23:02] <Bashing-om> Newman: While awaiting your boot .. the boot parameter 'nomodeset', why is it there ? Did you edit "/etc/default/grub" to make that happen ?
[23:02] <Newman> yes because i was trying to have a faster boot
[23:02] <k1l_> remove nomodeset did not solve the issue?
[23:03] <Newman> if i add 'text' beside nomodeset i can see a login text
[23:03] <Bashing-om> Newman: Well, we know now why the proprietary driver did not lead .. the boot parameter 'nomoeset' forces the use of default fall back graphics driver.
[23:04] <k1l_> Newman: remove nomodeset
[23:04] <Newman> i go
[23:05] <Newman> hey+
[23:05] <Valeria23>  Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://tinyurl.com/ozfvxy3
[23:06] <Newman> if i remove 'nomodeset' i can see ubuntu on the second screen :S
[23:06] <Newman> i have another screen with VGA
[23:06] <Newman> connector
[23:07] <Newman> but i can't see on my laptop :S
[23:07] <Bashing-om> Newman: OK, now what Desktop Environment ? unity ?
[23:07] <k1l_> Newman: press the softkey switch (fn +f2 or something) and see if that changes to the other screen
[23:07] <OerHeks> Newman, try the FN key internal/external screen
[23:09] <Newman> hey
[23:09] <BTJustice> Ubuntu with MATE desktop is pretty damn good right now... http://ubuntu-mate.org/
[23:10] <Newman> why nomodeset was doing problems with the private driver?
[23:11] <k1l_> Newman: because that is just the wrong parameter in your case.
[23:12] <blackangelpr> Newman, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132  first paragraph shows what happened to you :p
[23:12] <Bashing-om> Newman: That parameter 'nomodet' disables dkms. dkms is required for Nvidia driver.
[23:15] <popey> BTJustice: yes, yes it is ☻
[23:15] <BTJustice> popey: :)
[23:18] <guest-uNGSBg> help, I did a dumb thing... I was in compiz and turned off unity. how can i fix it?
[23:18] <mattxtn> Anybody have experience with Ubuntu recognizing Expresscard USB adapters?
[23:19] <guest-uNGSBg> I am in guest acc
[23:19] <Newman> it works now i have quiet splash instead monodeset and it runs okey
[23:19] <mattxtn> guest-uNGSBg have you tried typing "start unity" in the terminal?
[23:20] <mattxtn> Sorry Eirik, "startx unity" possibly.
[23:21] <Newman> i will come back to the first driver, (X.Org X server
[23:21] <Newman> )
[23:21] <Bashing-om> Newman: Great . Another satisfied user !
[23:22] <Newman> yes it rocks
[23:22] <EiriksSCREWED> mattxtn i cant even hotkey to get a terminal
[23:22] <Newman> thanks for the help it was good
[23:23] <mattxtn> CTRL-ALT-T doesn'twork Eirik?
[23:23] <EiriksSCREWED> nope mattxtn
[23:23] <mattxtn> ALT+F2?
[23:24] <EiriksSCREWED> i can only do the right click
[23:24] <mattxtn> Eirik have you retarded?
[23:24] <mattxtn> restarted I ment.
[23:24]  * mattxtn doh
[23:24] <EiriksSCREWED> i'll go try
[23:25] <EiriksSCREWED> brb
[23:45] <timnuwin> Hi, I'm trying to set up ldap in Ubuntu 14.04.  When using JXPlorer, I can view ldap as anonymous, but when I enter for UserDN... cn=admin, and put in the password I set up, it says invalid credentials
[23:57] <JDAIII> hah time for a strange question.ok we all know that GoTo Meeting won't run in linux, but I'm wondering if you load vmware and load a windows vm into it and urn on unity, can you use gtm that way in linux?
[23:58] <reisio> JDAIII: don't cross post


[11:34] <hikiko> hey
[11:34] <hikiko> question :)
[11:34] <hikiko> I'm trying to build mir from source
[11:35] <hikiko> and although I have libcapnp and dev installed, I get this error:
[11:35] <hikiko> http://pastebin.com/DedN5xKc
[11:37] <hikiko> ignore, just found the package missing
[11:40] <seb128> hikiko, you might want to apt-get build-dep mir
[11:41] <hikiko> I did so seb128
[11:41] <hikiko> there were some extra dependencies
[11:41] <seb128> cool
[11:41] <hikiko> that was cpnproto for the record
[11:41] <seb128> yeah, if new requirements were added between the archive version and what you builds...
[11:41] <seb128> k
[11:42] <hikiko> I just receive new errors now during make for gmock
[11:45] <hikiko> http://pastebin.com/73LyaAjM this is the output
[11:47] <hikiko> well I disabled the tests for the moment
[11:52] <seb128> hikiko, is that on zesty?
[11:52] <seb128> there are some issues with googletest/cmake-extras there it seems
[11:52] <hikiko> yes
[11:52] <seb128> that was discussed a bit on #ubuntu-devel yesterday, kenvandine and attente hit build issues as well
[11:53] <hikiko> I see
[11:54] <hikiko> well, the problem is gone if I don't build the tests
[11:54] <hikiko> seb128, which one of the mir*
[11:54] <hikiko> in bin/
[11:54] <hikiko> should I run
[11:54] <hikiko> to have the server running?
[11:54] <seb128> no idea, that's a question for the mir people here ;-)
[11:55] <hikiko> question to all: is still mir_demo_server the right executable to have mir up and running?
[11:55] <hikiko> or any of the other mir* will start the server automatically?
[12:00] <greyback> hikiko: only mir_demo_server* will bring up the Mir server, the other binaries are clients for that server
[12:06] <hikiko> greyback, there's an error that I'm missing libmir_demo_server_loadable.so
[12:06] <hikiko> there's no such .so in lib/
[12:06] <hikiko> so I guess I didn't build it
[12:06] <hikiko> correctly
[12:06] <greyback> hikiko: that file is in mir-demos, and should be located: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmir_demo_server_loadable.so
[12:07] <hikiko> missing
[12:07] <hikiko> so I have to install mir system wide too
[12:08] <alan_g> hikiko: you should be able to run in the build tree
[12:08] <hikiko> hi alan_g
[12:08] <alan_g> the so should be in lib
[12:08] <hikiko> alan_g, you mean the lib where I built mir right?
[12:09] <alan_g> Right. But... what do you want a mir server for? The demos in Mir are rather limited
[12:09] <hikiko> alan_g, I want to change the chromium backend to use mir
[12:10] <hikiko> shouldn't I build mir-server?
[12:10] <alan_g> You could just install miral-examples and run miral-server?
[12:11] <hikiko> I don't know :) last time I used mir we didn't have that yet :)
[12:11] <hikiko> is there any documentation for miral-server alan_g ?
[12:11] <hikiko> basically I need these 2 things:
[12:12] <hikiko> 1- find the documentation or the source of the mir api
[12:12] <hikiko> 2- find a way to run mir to test chrome
[12:12] <hikiko> what is the miral-server?
[12:14] <alan_g> 1. Sadly out of date online, but you can build & show the mir docs: "make doc-show"
[12:14] <alan_g> 2. http://voices.canonical.com/alan.griffiths/2016/08/18/miral-mir-is-not-all-about-unity8/
[12:14] <hikiko> thank you alan_g :)
[12:14] <alan_g> (If you install miral-examples you can inore building it and the "bin/" part of commands
[12:15] <hikiko> I only need to start miral-shell?
[12:15] <hikiko> works!!!!!
[12:15] <hikiko> fantastic :D
[12:15] <hikiko> and how do I exit it? kill?
[12:16] <alan_g> Ctrl-Alt-BkSp
[12:16] <alan_g> Or the "x" in the corner
[12:17] <alan_g> (kill works too)
[12:18] <hikiko> no kill is not a good idea
[12:18] <hikiko> I have to reset afterwards :)
[12:18] <hikiko> (I mean reset the term attributes)
[12:19] <hikiko> anyway :) thanks a lot alan_g :)
[12:20] <alan_g> That's odd! You just ran as "$ miral-shell"?
[12:20]  * alan_g wonders why that changed any term attributes