 A Reddit-lotto affair, some psych test to see how quickly/not people press the button, to let the reptilain alien overlords know who to spare....
[07:38] <TwistedLucidity> Resets at halfway, which is odd
[07:38] <TwistedLucidity> I wanted to get "0001"
[07:38] <TwistedLucidity> I wonder if digging into the JS is cheating.....
[07:38] <popey> i think it resets when _someone_ presses it
[07:39] <popey> just went to 9s for me
[07:40] <TwistedLucidity> Ah...a global reset.
[07:40] <TwistedLucidity> Got down to 09xx there.
[07:40]  * TwistedLucidity ponders fiddling with network connection
[07:41] <popey> \o/ 37 hours and 73% battery left on bq phone
[07:41] <popey> (37 hours since last charge)
[07:42] <TwistedLucidity> Witchcraft!
[07:42] <popey> ikr
[07:42] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-06-03-084237.png
[07:42] <popey> \o/
[07:42] <TwistedLucidity> Genuinely interested in the "convergent" one that's coming out.
[07:43] <TwistedLucidity> I have no use case for it (at the moment) but it just...I like me toys
[07:43] <popey> i like the idea of it too
[07:43] <TwistedLucidity> Although having the carry the monitor, keyboard and mouse around is a tad inconvenient.
[07:44] <TwistedLucidity> We need Canonical Contact. An on-cornea display
[07:44] <TwistedLucidity> Then Canoncial Electro-tat, so a keyboard can be tattooed onto the arm of choice
[07:44] <TwistedLucidity> Done.
[07:44] <TwistedLucidity> Then a mossy will bite you on "Esc" and all heck will break loose!
[07:45] <popey> in 2015 I predict people will be able to own more than one keyboard and screen, and maybe even leave them in different locations which might be purpose built for "living" and "working"
[07:45] <popey> maybe I'm just a dreamer...
[07:46] <TwistedLucidity> Says the telecommuter....
[07:46]  * popey notes he has both "work" and "live" locations
[07:46]  * TwistedLucidity offers a "working in your pants" high-5
[07:46] <popey> ^5
[07:47] <TwistedLucidity> I'm not actually sure I could go back to an office. For starters, at home I have coffee that's actually drinkable.
[07:47] <TwistedLucidity> And better Internet.
[07:47] <popey> I miss people sometimes
[07:48] <popey> I end up talking to strangers when I'm out
[07:48] <popey> which gets me funny looks
[07:48] <diplo> I do too, I've gone from working with 200~ ish people to 1 :/
[07:48] <TwistedLucidity> I had a hamster to keep me company in the office (seriously, it worked).
[07:48] <TwistedLucidity> Now my g/f works from home too and we also have a dog.
[07:48] <diplo> Always thought I would love working like this, but it sucks at times
[07:48] <TwistedLucidity> So the house is busy
[07:48] <TwistedLucidity> I used to keep the news running sometimes
[07:49] <popey> I even shut doors around the house to force the cats to sleep in my office
[07:49] <TwistedLucidity> See, hamster is better that way. I lives in a cage.
[07:49] <TwistedLucidity> But only for about 2 years, which kinda sucks
[08:32] <foobarry> second monitor is connected, xrandr does not show it connected. was working until recently. any ideas?
[08:36] <foobarry> oh...
[08:36] <foobarry> removed power , and battery. fixed the problem!
[08:51] <JamesTait> Good morning, folks! Happy Repeat Day, and happy Repeat Day! 😃
[08:52] <TheGeek> howdy
[09:01] <popey> lulz
[09:51] <knightwise> morning
[09:53] <MooDoo> howdy knightwise
[10:23] <knightwise> hey MooDoo , how are you
[10:56] <MooDoo> knightwise: good thanks, just reading my python programming for beginners book
[11:22] <knightwise> MooDoo: our geekling showed me a site to learn to program with python using a game to teach you
[11:23] <MooDoo> yeah i've got this book called python programming for the absolute beginner, that teaches you with games.
[11:23] <knightwise> codecombat.com
[11:24] <MooDoo> ta
[11:26] <brobostigon> reminds me, i was talking cryptography with my gf's son yesterday, and he is only 9.
[11:30] <knightwise> brobostigon: cool :) never too young to learn
[11:31] <brobostigon> my thought exactly as well, :)
[11:31] <TwistedLucidity> What are you trying to hide, brobostigon. Camoron's Good Citizen Patrol demands answers!
[11:32] <brobostigon> i have many things to hide, which i dont want other people to read.
[11:33] <TwistedLucidity> I am sorry, that is just not acceptable any more. All conversations must be in the clear and readable by Citizen Protection Authority. It's the only way to be safe!
[11:34]  * brobostigon disagrees. we all have the right to privacy, by whatever method.
[11:35] <TwistedLucidity> I am sorry, citizen. But in order to ensure peace in Britian, our Loving Father Camoron has decreed all shall be known by his ever-loving embrace. You will be educated in the correct manner of Good Citizen deportment.
[11:36]  * brobostigon thinks TwistedLucidity should write satire for a living.
[11:36] <TwistedLucidity> It's pretty much what the wing-nut wants. That and a Great Firewall of Britain.
[11:38] <brobostigon> which will be as ineffective as it can be.
[11:38] <TwistedLucidity> Oh I know. But his friends in the consultancies can still get some nice (tax free) coin, that's what matters.
[11:53] <popey> hah, just put a random "spare" ssd in my laptop, booted it, and it's got steamos on it :)
[11:53] <popey> amazed how quickly it boots given this is just a dual core x61s
[11:54] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Gone are the days where you could start a PC and then amble off for a cuppa.
[11:54] <TwistedLucidity> Personally I blame Canonical. :-P
[11:54] <popey> \o/
[11:54] <popey> I'll take that
[11:56] <popey> next drive... what's on this one...
[11:56] <popey> MATE!
[11:58] <TwistedLucidity> Are you dallying with the unclean and heretical DEs? :shock:
[11:58] <bashrc> MATE is ok. I installed it at the weekend on a desktop machine
[11:59] <popey> I'm trying to find a hard disk to wipe and put Unity8/Mir on actually :)
[11:59] <popey> and this one is getting it
[12:21] <foobarry> kindle fire for kids. 2 year no question hardware replcaement
[12:23] <knightwise> popey: that R61 does keep kicking by just adding an SSD right.
[12:28] <popey> and some more ram
[12:28] <popey> went to CeX to see if they had any laptop DDR 2GB sticks earlier, but they only had 1GB ones
[12:28] <popey> apparently this thing can take up to 8GB which would be nice
[12:31] <foobarry> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss is amazing
[13:23] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Which SSD you using? A Samsung EVO?
[13:38] <popey> i have a variety of SSDs
[13:41] <TwistedLucidity> I just saw a post that Samsung has messed up. Again. Their response was effectively "Go and soak your head, penguin lover"
[13:41] <TwistedLucidity> https://plus.google.com/+JoolsWills/posts/SueNHz4ePP7
[13:43] <popey> erk
[13:43] <TwistedLucidity> Very
[14:00] <directhex> ssds suck, clearly
[14:01] <directhex> unrelated: crucial-brand ssds don't work on nvidia tegra dev boards
[14:01] <shauno> I've been plenty happy with my intel ones
[14:04] <TwistedLucidity> I have a Samsung EVO SSD...I am not happy at their attitude (luckily mine is old enough to not need the firmware update AFAICT)
[14:04] <intrbiz> I won't be updating the firmware on the 840 in the laptop then
[14:06] <intrbiz> directhex: is that an nvidia issue or a crucial issue?
[14:07] <directhex> intrbiz: yes.
[14:09] <popey> heh
[14:26] <ujjain> does it cost money to cash a cheque?
[14:28] <TwistedLucidity> ujjain: Depends.
[14:28] <directhex> it doesn't cost money to deposit a cheque in your bank account
[14:28] <ujjain> directhex, ah good
[14:28] <directhex> it costs money to take a cheque to a payday loan shop and have them give you cash up front for itr
[14:37] <TwistedLucidity> Also if the cheque is issued by a foreign bank
[14:37] <TwistedLucidity> Which is why "depends"
[15:30] <foobarry> is there a way on ebay to see feedback relating to 1 item that is sold in multiples?
[15:31] <foobarry> if the seller has 100,000 feedback it's hard to wade through the items that are not relevant
[17:59] <daftykins> i got two of the four cameras on this cheap 720p CCTV setup today
[17:59] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9giznvmhec63o26/Screenshot_2015-06-03-17-49-23.png?dl=0
[17:59] <daftykins> :D
[18:20] <shauno> 4 cameras?! you're going to spy on the whole island?
[18:28] <daftykins> shauno: :D
[18:51] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/w35vu51pvf1t9e0/Screenshot_2015-06-03-19-41-29.png?dl=0
[18:51] <daftykins> there's the full quality one
[18:51] <daftykins> very impressed i am!
[19:18] <mapps> oving apartments in september
[19:18] <mapps> decisions
[19:19] <mapps> 1bed in a bulding that looks crap but ok £875
[19:19] <mapps> 1 bd near where i am atm £975
[19:19] <mapps> 2 bed in a nice apartment buildin £1500
[20:21] <daftykins> mapps: heh, i'd hate to ever have to share again :D
[20:29] <mapps> yea its a pain
[20:29] <mapps> lived on my own in stoke for 4 years too
[20:29] <mapps> so used to living alone
[20:31] <foobarry> what about the burglars?
[20:31] <foobarry> surely they came to visit in stoke a lot?/
[20:31] <foobarry> my friend got burgled in stoke but they didn't take the remotes
[20:31] <foobarry> took everything else
[20:32] <foobarry> my friend said smash the rmeote
[20:32] <foobarry> they didn't
[20:32] <foobarry> burglars came bak 2 days later for the remotes and got them
[20:32] <mapps> ;[
[20:32] <mapps> where in stoke
[20:33] <intrbiz> we had a 100% crime rise the one year, someone left their car in the pub carpark with keys in the ignition whilst they were busy getting pissed
[20:33] <foobarry> u know the uni
[20:33] <mapps> ahh yea
[20:33] <daftykins> foobarry: lol, nasty
[20:33] <foobarry> with the uni on your right, carry on down the road another half mile
[20:34] <mapps> wouldnt be keen on living there
[20:34] <foobarry> robbie williams used to hang around the uni a lot, even though he didn't study
[20:34] <mapps> few mins from station right?
[20:34] <foobarry> told everyone he would be big some day
[20:34] <foobarry> everyone laughed
[20:34] <foobarry> i still would
[20:34] <intrbiz> when I was at uni, one student landlord, painted all their houses front doors yellow
[20:34] <mapps> like now living wihth my mate things annoy me like he does washing everyday like lol nice waste of water nd electric
[20:35] <daftykins> intrbiz: seems a bit nasty
[20:35] <intrbiz> struggle to think of a better way to advertise when a property is empty out of term time
[20:35] <daftykins> XD
[20:35] <mapps> like if the bins full he still puts stuff balanced on top so it falls out
[20:35] <mapps> like he darent touch the ag or rubbish
[20:35] <mapps> *bag
[20:35] <intrbiz> daftykins: yeh, fecking stupid, they were called: yellow door rentals, or sumthing silly
[20:36] <daftykins> X|
[20:36] <Myrtti> things you learn.
[20:36] <foobarry> although empty outside term time
[20:36] <Myrtti> Staffordshire exports: pots, cups and Robbie Williams.
[20:36] <daftykins> mapps: ugh
[20:36] <mapps> like i get it it's rubbish im not saying eat it..but empty the bin for goodness sake
[20:36] <daftykins> yeah that's still living like a student fool
[20:36] <intrbiz> Myrtti: oatcakes!!!
[20:36] <mapps> honestly it's like hes scared of getting anything on his hands
[20:36] <daftykins> i'd never tolerate that
[20:37] <mapps> nah he lived at home before here mate
[20:37] <mapps> in scotland
[20:37] <mapps> so i assume his parents did everything
[20:37] <mapps> IF he ever empties the bin he puts a new bag in and leaves old one in kitchen basically waiting for me to take down
[20:37] <mapps> left it a few days to see once and sure enough he didnt move it
[20:38] <ahayzen> haha people come and empty my bins for me in my student halls lol :-)
[20:38] <daftykins> hehe
[20:38] <daftykins> ahayzen: sickening :P
[20:38] <mapps> he's young eh
[20:38] <mapps> ;)
[20:38] <ahayzen> probably for the best otherwise no one would ever empty them
[20:42] <intrbiz> ahayzen: ah, the good old days
[20:42] <ahayzen> \o/
[20:43] <mapps> uni
[20:43] <mapps> years ao
[20:43] <mapps> ago
[20:43] <mapps> heh
[20:47] <Bingley> 'allo
[20:49] <intrbiz> keep leaving my projects on the wrong branch, sigh :(
[20:50] <Bingley> Just wondering which of these bugs are the most annoying : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bugs?orderby=-heat&start=0
[20:51] <ahayzen> this is the most annoying, when it happens https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1429887
[20:51] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1429887 in powerd (Ubuntu) "Sometimes need 3 power button presses to turn on screen" [High,Confirmed]
[20:52] <Bingley> Yeah, I saw that one - is that on the phone ?
[20:52] <ahayzen> yeah
[20:52] <ahayzen> happens randomly, not very often though
[20:53] <intrbiz> unity is by far the most iritating
[20:53] <Bingley> shouldn't it read 3 power buttons , then or is it the 3rd actual button that needs depressed ?
[20:54] <ahayzen> the 3rd time you press the button it then wakes up
[20:54] <Bingley> oh ok then.
[20:55] <Bingley> or not, maybe.
[20:55] <ahayzen> the 1st nothing happens, so you press it again thinking you missed the button then the screen goes on then off very quickly, then you press it a 3rd time
[20:55] <Bingley> which phone - all of them ?
[20:56] <ahayzen> i'm on mako (nexus4) and i've definitely seen it, think it also happens on the Bq
[20:56] <ahayzen> but as i said really rarely like once a month maybe
[20:56] <ahayzen> (for me anyway)
[21:00] <Bingley> Did anyone see the new Android phones (recently)? - they're coming with proper docks now.
[21:01] <Bingley> I was thinking of getting one 3d printed for the Aquarius 5
[21:02] <Bingley> won't be long untill you dock it and it sends stuff to the chromecast, I'll bet.
[21:03] <Bingley> Lunduke says it'll be 4 years before Unity 8+ is stable.
[21:04] <ahayzen> define 'stable' lol
[21:04] <Bingley> an Omlette apparently .. i'll have a look for it.
[21:06] <Bingley> http://www.networkworld.com/article/2927999/opensource-subnet/review-ubuntu-15-04-is-an-amazing-release-but-i-hate-it.html
[21:08] <ahayzen> it'll be interesting how fast unity8 becomes 'stable' as CI with unit/acceptance tests has been heavily integrated into most layers of the platform as it has been built
[21:09] <Bingley> aside: he's alsp got a video out that i missed : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu0l-Ac7fTU
[21:09] <mapps> argh
[21:09] <mapps> how do i set squid to use server ip
[21:09] <Bingley> **also
[21:09] <mapps> and not show client
[21:20] <mapps> daftykins around?
[21:21] <daftykins> sorta
[21:21] <mapps> can you try for me?:D
[21:22] <daftykins> try what
[21:22] <mapps> my proxy
[21:22] <mapps> see if it shows y ip when you use it
[21:23] <daftykins> i haven't really got any of that softie installed still or anything
[21:23] <daftykins> if you meant that o0
[21:23] <daftykins> just gaming atm though
[21:24] <mapps> i meant ust try it in ffox
[21:24] <mapps> or chrome
[21:24] <mapps> ;D
[21:30] <daftykins> maybe in a few
[21:32] <mapps> ok:)
[23:01] <daftykins> aaah so tired
[23:01] <daftykins> this is some seriously impressive nightvision - https://www.dropbox.com/s/0l6hfpxubve43vb/Screenshot_2015-06-03-23-14-15.png?dl=0
[23:06] <zmoylan-pi> how dark is that room?
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> shadows are been cast
[23:08] <zmoylan-pi> and the spot on the bench and floor indicates a light source
[23:09] <daftykins> must be the second camera that's up the other side
[23:09] <daftykins> shining down toward the kinda postcard rack
[23:09] <daftykins> lets see
[23:11] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k2m1yl31esb5twb/Screenshot_2015-06-04-00-10-21.png?dl=0
[23:11] <daftykins> :>
[23:12] <daftykins> that is very puzzling
[23:21] <zmoylan-pi> might be an ir light on the other camera?
[23:22] <daftykins> yeah they've both got a tonne of LEDs surrounding, shining down
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> that would do it.
[23:22] <daftykins> but you would kinda expect to see a shaft of light to the left of the L shaped wall section in the above
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> i know that the fox near my wildlife camera can detect the light it uses when he trips and it spooks him
[23:22] <daftykins> heh
[23:23] <zmoylan-pi> that and the magpies and crows look directly at the red led it flashes to indicate taking a pic during the day
[23:24] <daftykins> :>
[23:24] <daftykins> that's handy
[23:24] <zmoylan-pi> great for police identification pics if they nick something valuable.  :-P
[23:25] <daftykins> mmm they need to secure the NVR box now
[23:26] <daftykins> and at some point i'll switch it to motion detection instead of permanent record


[00:52] <drupin> I want to install the OS what i should keep the partition sizes on 8GB flash drive
[01:01] <ailo> drupin: Not sure what you mean..
[01:01] <ailo> Are you asking about minimum partition size?
[01:02] <ailo> 8GB will work, but you may quickly run out of space, if you add stuff
[01:02] <drupin> to install on 8Gb flash
[01:02] <ailo> 8GB is fine, for default install
[01:03] <ailo> I have a 8GB USB stick, I use. 1GB is for SWAP, but you may not need it. I did run out of space, but I was installing a lot of things
[01:04] <ailo> I actually used the LXDE desktop, since the machine I was using was very old
[01:05] <ailo> But, I guess, there's not that much difference when using XFCE
[01:05] <drupin> ohhh
[01:05] <drupin> swap=ram in comp
[01:05] <ailo> drupin: SWAP is not a must. You can turn swap off, even
[01:06] <ailo> /etc/sysctl.conf
[01:06] <ailo> wm.swappiness = 0
[01:07] <ailo> Probably, no need to set, if there's no swap partition
[01:09] <drupin> actually my studio freezez
[01:09] <drupin> i have 1 GB swap
[01:10] <drupin> i reduced it to 476
[01:10] <ailo> drupin: You need at least 1 GB RAM, preferably 2GB
[01:10] <ailo> With LXDE, I can cope with 1GB
[01:11] <ailo> Firefox uses a lot
[01:11] <drupin> system ram is 2.5 GB
[01:11] <drupin> i use chrome
[01:11] <ailo> chrome, same story
[01:11] <Unit193> Chrome may need a tad more.
[01:11] <ailo> drupin: when does your system freeze
[01:11] <ailo> ?
[01:12] <ailo> Mine freezes more or less when I install software. Haven't yet checked variables, so I have no idea why this happens. Never happened on any other machine
[01:12] <drupin> after a lot of loading means chrome with 10 tabs two terminals and and two file explorers
[01:13] <ailo> drupin: Sounds like you use up the RAM then
[01:13] <ailo> drupin: Did you check RAM usage?
[01:13] <drupin> un #ubuntu they told me swap should be equal to the ram
[01:13] <drupin> no
[01:13] <ailo> SWAP can be double the RAM, but it doesn't really matter
[01:14] <ailo> If you have enough RAM, you don't need SWAP
[01:14] <ailo> However, I actually have never worked with 0 swap
[01:14] <ailo> Should try it
[01:15] <ailo> drupin: When you run out of RAM, swap starts to be used a lot. And that makes everything really slow
[01:15] <drupin> how like 2.5G ram is low
[01:16] <drupin> some time it was freez even without apps
[01:16] <ailo> drupin: Well, on modern web browsers, if you use them for a long time, it's not much
[01:16] <drupin> i was on call with skype
[01:17] <ailo> drupin: When you say freeze, what exactly do you mean? Slow, or full stop?
[01:17] <drupin> stop completely..
[01:18] <ailo> drupin: And you are forced to reboot?
[01:19] <ailo> drupin: System freeze is not happening because of the partition size, anyway
[01:19] <drupin> yes i need hit reset on cpu
[01:20] <ailo> drupin: System freeze can be caused by many things. Faulty RAM, bad graphic drivers, or other bugs
[01:20] <ailo> It's not because of hard disk space, anyway
[01:20] <ailo> Not like Windows, in that respext
[01:21] <drupin> ya graphic driver is default
[01:21] <drupin> i tried to install the ATI cataylist but it failed to install
[01:21] <ailo> Well, I don't think Windows freezes completely, either, but LXDE at least does not get slow
[01:21] <drupin> check pm
[01:22] <ailo> drupin: I'd rather you continue here :)
[01:22] <ailo> drupin: Use paste.ubuntu.com
[01:22] <drupin> can you see if i need to change any thing on the file size structure
[01:22] <drupin> only the paste
[01:22] <drupin> ya
[01:24] <ailo> drupin: Again, I don't think it's because of hard disk space.
[01:24] <ailo> It's very hard to know why, for me, at least
[01:24] <drupin> u means the size of flash
[01:24] <ailo> drupin: Maybe you can find the answer in system logs
[01:25] <ailo> drupin: I would ask on other channels to find more info, like #ubuntu. It's something not specific to Ubuntu Studio, anyway
[01:25] <drupin> where
[01:25] <ailo> There's /var/log&syslog
[01:25] <ailo> /var/log/syslog*
[01:26] <drupin> ya they told me to run mem test in recovery
[01:26] <drupin> will do this now
[01:26] <ailo> That's to find out if the RAM is faulty or not
[01:26] <drupin> let me check logs
[01:26] <drupin> ok
[01:26] <ailo> drupin: Another way to check RAM is to take one out, and see how things go.
[01:27] <drupin> is there any way i can remove the swap and merge in main partition
[01:27] <ailo> Never tried that, but maybe? Again, not our experise
[01:27] <drupin> right
[01:27] <drupin> ok
[01:50] <ailo> drupin: I don't think you need to, unless you really need the space
[01:50] <ailo> Cause, again, I don't think the hard disk space has anything to do with the system freeze
[01:50] <drupin> ok
[01:51] <ailo> System freeze is usually either a grave system bug, faulty RAM, or something bad with the graphic card
[01:51] <ailo> Not hard disk space
[01:52] <drupin> ok
[01:52] <drupin> let me see the log
[01:54] <ailo> Reading the backscroll, just wanted to clarify that looking at /var/log/syslog was not a way to find out about faulty RAM, while doing a memory test would be
[01:55] <drupin> some where EISA: Cannot allocate resource for mainboard
[01:55] <ailo> I think if the system freeze is really critical, there may be no valuable syslog
[01:55] <drupin> ok
[01:56] <ailo> drupin: That did sound like a clue, but I wouldn't know
[01:56] <drupin> right
[01:56] <drupin> is i safe to post sys log in public
[01:58] <ailo> I'm not an expert in network security by any means, but I would say as long as you don't post passwords you're pretty safe. There's also ip adress and username, but those are usually a bit harder to keep secret
[01:59] <ailo> Especially IP adress
[02:01] <ailo> drupin: I can't decipher most of that anyway, but you only need to post whatever happened just before the crash
[02:01] <ailo> And there are other logs you can look into as well
[02:02] <ailo> Like xorg, or whatever. I can't really tell you
[02:02] <drupin> right
[02:12] <drupin> check this movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ&hd=1
[02:12] <drupin> i want to do some real work on studio
[02:12] <drupin> if it gets working
[02:13] <ailo> drupin: Blender?
[02:14] <drupin> yes
[02:14] <ailo> Ah, I saw that in the text under it
[02:14] <ailo> Pretty cool
[02:14] <drupin> you do any of the stuff
[02:14] <drupin> go to sintel.org
[02:15] <ailo> Mostly audio. I've been very interested in 3d, games and such, and I've done a bit of that, but nothing worth mentioning
[02:15] <ailo> If I know anything, it's music
[02:15] <drupin> yes the ardour studio
[02:15] <drupin> try it its amazing
[02:16] <drupin> so many kool apps to learn and create music
[02:16] <ailo> Well, I don't acutally use Ardour so much
[02:16] <ailo> Or any of the sequencers
[02:16] <ailo> I used to use Cubase a lot, on Windows
[02:16] <ailo> Recently, I've mostly been using puredata
[02:16] <ailo> Which is also great for video
[02:17] <ailo> I use Ardour mostly, out of the sequencer
[02:18] <ailo> drupin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuuJkE789ag
[02:19] <ailo> I'm not as crazy as him
[02:20] <drupin> ok
[21:23] <sticky1> Hello folks. It may sound stupid, but I'm a total noob when it comes to MIDI in Xubuntu... but how do I get my XMIDI1x1 to work with Xubuntu?
[21:23] <sticky1> I have some apps in Wine that need dat MIDI
[22:01] <sticky1> It is 37 minutes later and still no reply...
[22:02] <len-dt> sticky1, you may have to wait longer than that.
[22:02] <sticky1> It is fine.
[22:02] <len-dt> It is Saturday, the people who may know an answer might be in a part of the world where it is night time...
[22:02] <sticky1> I'm leaving now.
[22:03] <len-dt> better to leave it open
[22:03] <len-dt> if someone happens along who does know they may even answer.
[22:03] <sticky1> Here, where I am, it's exactly 00:03
[22:03] <len-dt> Just leave the computer running
[22:03] <sticky1> I'm going to sleep now
[22:03] <len-dt> Have a great night.
[22:04] <sticky1> Thank you. Have a good day/night where ever you are


[00:39] <ailo> I got my toe dipped in jack programming today. Created a jack transport start|stop cli app. Just a couple of lines in python
[07:54] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[10:15] <astraljava> len-dt: Good news, thanks!
[10:16] <smartboyhw> astraljava: What good news?
[12:53] <smartboyhw> On the news of len-dt, another news: 64-bit testing completed by me now
[12:56] <astraljava> Thanks. I'm still not sure whether there'll be new images, so please keep your eyes on the tracker, if you have time still before the release.
[12:56] <astraljava> Huge thanks for all testers!
[12:58] <astraljava> I don't expect any big issues, as our unique parts haven't changed much, this refresh is mostly foundations-related. But have you noticed any peculiarities, len-dt or smartboyhw? I'm not talking bug-worthy (as I expect those having been filed), but anything out of the ordinary?
[12:59] <smartboyhw> astraljava: NO!
[12:59] <smartboyhw> BTW, thanks scott-work and astraljava and everybody for making such a nice OS
[13:00] <smartboyhw> Now I'm waiting for ailo to finish the 64-bit lowlatency kernel to test...:)
[13:06] <astraljava> ailo isn't making the kernel (yet), but writing testcases for it. I need to bug the kernel team tomorrow so that we'd get an updated -lowlatency for 12.04.1, though.
[13:07] <smartboyhw> ailo jst got len-dt a kernel to test for 32-bit, mate
[13:07] <astraljava> Which would, of course, require new tests for the image, if it happens. I'll keep this channel posted, though.
[13:10] <smartboyhw> astraljava: I mean this
[13:11] <smartboyhw> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/precise/daily-live/20120817.3/precise-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:11] <smartboyhw> Oh, sorry, not thed link
[13:11] <smartboyhw> [14:28] <ailo> len-dt: Kernels are built https://gitorious.org/ubuntustudio-testing/pages/Kernel
[13:11] <smartboyhw> On 17th August, that is
[13:14] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Right. Well, we aren't hosting our official kernels on gitorious, that's just unofficial testing. If you look into the kernel version on quantal, you'll notice that we're still in the 3.5.0 tree.
[13:15] <smartboyhw> Oh, that's why
[14:13] <stochastic> That's it I'm goin' camping. :)
[14:15] <knome> have fun stochastic
[14:16] <smartboyhw> stochastic: Bye and have some fun!
[14:48] <smartboyhw> ailo: Are you here? I want to know the progress of the amd64 kernel:)
[15:21] <ailo> smartboyhw: I told you before, I'll let you know when the tests are finished. Me and Len have been working on the ground work for them. That is why I have only been notifying Len so far
[15:21] <smartboyhw> Oh, that's why.....
[15:21] <smartboyhw> Thanks
[15:33] <smartboyhw> ailo: Been wondering about Bug 1021264
[15:33] <smartboyhw> You have already succeeded in doing so, why don't you change the Importance to "Fix Released"?
[15:34] <ailo> smartboyhw: Not fixed
[15:34] <smartboyhw> ailo: Why?
[15:35] <ailo> I need to do some research on that. But it's not a priority at the moment. We have the bug team, and a new mail list for bugs. The forwarding was a bit difficult to set up.
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Oh, that's why, the forwarding
[15:36] <smartboyhw> BTW, on Bug 152853
[15:36] <smartboyhw> I packaged it today, but I'll need a MOTU to do so, but actually has it been fixed?
[15:40] <smartboyhw> I mean I'll need a MOTU to actually merge the branches
[15:40] <ailo> smartboyhw: If you have packaged it, the best way is to get it into Debian
[15:40] <smartboyhw> ailo: I need to wait for a MOTU to approve the packaging
[15:40] <ailo> subscribe to the Debian Mentors list, and tell them you want to upload a package
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Debian Mentors List? What's that?
[15:41] <ailo> smartboyhw: It's better you go through Debian.
[15:41] <ailo> That way, it will end up in all Debian based distros, including Ubuntu
[15:41] <smartboyhw> OK
[15:41] <ailo> Only upload to Ubuntu, if for some reason, it is Ubuntu specific
[15:42] <ailo> Like, ubuntustudio-controls
[15:42] <smartboyhw> oh
[15:42] <ailo> smartboyhw: The Debian Mentor mail list is a place where Debian uploaders and developers help new participants
[15:43] <ailo> You just say you want to upload a package, and you are seeking a sponsor
[15:43] <smartboyhw> OK
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Ok, subscribing now
[16:23] <len-dt> astraljava, The only differences I have noticed have been good. For example I have not seen any scrollbars on our install slideshow for a while now.
[16:41] <len-dt> ailo, to continue on the comment I left in the other channel.
[16:43] <len-dt> ailo, in your controls app, it may be a good idea to have a way for checking user is in audio group and adding iff needed
[17:59] <ailo> len-dt: That is the main feature I'm adding. realtime privilege administration
[17:59] <len-dt> Good
[18:00] <ailo> len-dt: And, my comment was more about the task installs for ubuntu studio
[18:00] <ailo> That even if you install the ubuntu studio desktop task, you might not get those settings correct
[18:00] <ailo> If I remember correctly, this is still the case
[18:00] <len-dt> Ya, there are a number of people who start with vanilla or kubuntu and use our metas.
[18:01] <ailo> I've noticed over the years..
[18:01] <len-dt> permissions is the biggest issue with doing that right now
[18:02] <ailo> One of the metas could have a post install script to handle that, and ask the user if to be included into the group
[18:02] <ailo> Just like the jackd install
[18:03] <len-dt> Yes like -settings or maybe a new -audio-settings
[18:03] <len-dt> or maybe the audio meta
[18:03] <ailo> I'd vote settings
[18:04] <len-dt> Though that would be harder because the audio meta is based solely on seeds right now.
[18:04] <ailo> I think settings should have everything that includes any kind of system configuration
[18:04] <len-dt> ailo, I am wondering if someone installing mettas over vanilla would want our -default-settings
[18:05] <len-dt> They are xfce dependant
[18:05] <ailo> I could imagine someone only wanting realtime privilege, and one or two apps
[18:06] <ailo> I would assume that all happens in settings. On the other hand, I'd assume installing jackd would be enough to get started :(
[18:06] <ailo> And if realtime privilege is done in settings, should audio depend on it?
[18:06] <ailo> Or should be we break settings into workflows?
[18:06] <ailo> As you said before
[18:07] <ailo> Then ubuntustudio-audio would depend on ubuntustudio-audio-settings
[18:07] <len-dt> Maybe the audio meta should be separated from seeds and have its own package so we could include audio settings or maybe an audio-setting package that the audio meta includes
[18:08] <micahg> no, it makes most sense as a seed, I see no issue with something like ubuntustudio-audio-settings being built out of the -default package for a case like this
[18:09] <len-dt> micahg, I think we both just came to that conclusion :)
[18:10] <len-dt> Anything else is too much work to maintain
[18:10] <micahg> right
[18:11] <len-dt> micahg, if we add setting the user to audio group in a settings package then we could remove the preseed line that does that, right?
[18:15] <micahg> not sure about that
[18:16] <len-dt> I guess my question should really be would it hurt to add the user to the audio group twice.
[18:18] <ailo> len-dt: Nope. But the install script could be made smart.
[18:19] <len-dt> ailo, the preseed would have to be smart too.
[18:19] <ailo> len-dt: I think we need to separate those, unless you can add ubiquity choices as well. Same as for jackd
[18:20] <len-dt> Ya
[18:21] <len-dt> if we set group in settings it would be best to remove the preseed.
[18:22] <ailo> Only if we can make choices during ubuntustudio install
[18:22] <len-dt> It could be a choice like jack does and preseed the choice like we do with jack
[18:22] <ailo> Aha, like so
[18:22] <ailo> Right
[18:22] <len-dt> The if we ever get a ubiquity module the coices could be made there.
[18:23] <len-dt> *Then
[18:25] <ailo> len-dt: Did you have a loot at the kernels I built? There's not that many versions, and not a great deal of difference between them
[18:25] <ailo> There's the one with the ticking timer
[18:26] <len-dt> TBH no I haven't. I have been busy with other things so far.
[18:26] <len-dt> I will have other family related things to do this next few weeks too.
[18:26] <ailo> len-dt: Well, the ticking timer might be interesting as far as midi goes
[18:27] <len-dt> For midi I still need to find a situation that causes problems...
[18:27] <ailo> len-dt: I think the ticking timer might make things worse
[18:28] <len-dt> So far all of my tests have shown no changes with any setting.
[18:29] <ailo> I'm getting more busy now as well. Starting tomorrow
[18:30] <ailo> Things have a tendency to just drag on forever. I keep putting too much time on the wrong details
[18:32] <len-dt> I think we should but swappiness and hrt/rtc in audio group in defualt settings at least for this cycle. The rest we have yet to prove they do anything (good)
[18:40] <ailo> len-dt: My tests are meant to do that, however, have you found any proof of hrt/rtc making any improvement yet?
[18:41] <len-dt> None, but I have not played with rosegarden at all. It is just that as we have added them to the kernel we should finish the job.
[18:42] <len-dt> We can't test everything.
[18:42] <ailo> Shouldn't be any different on Rosegarden. Still alsa midi
[18:43] <ailo> The purpose of the tests I'm making is to gather data from several machines, to see the actual impact of tweaks
[18:44] <len-dt> I don't know, it is just that these recommendations have come from the rosegarden forums, so I would think that is where they solved problems.
[18:44] <ailo> alsa midi is a bit difficult to automate though, but we should still probably use the same test for it
[18:45] <len-dt> midish might make it easier.
[18:45] <len-dt> It can set up connections and filtering as well as playback/record midi streams
[18:45] <len-dt> All CLI driven.
[18:46] <ailo> I'm creating a standard use case using at least a DAW. Perhaps, qjackctl + hydrogen
[18:46] <len-dt> Anyway, I should go...
[18:47] <ailo> Controlling transport from the script
[18:47] <ailo> len-dt: See you
[18:49] <ailo> That should have been qtractor + hydrogen..
[19:31] <ailo> len-dt: Just recorded some audio from hexter to qtractor,  using qtractor to send midi to hexter. It's not in sync.
[19:32] <ailo> I'm on Debian now. Need to check my settings too
[20:28] <ailo> len-dt: Actually, I found that monitoring qtractor controlled Hexter, and Hydrogen, both started with jack transport are not in sync at all
[20:28] <ailo> But, after recording hydrogen to qtractor, the recording itself was a bit better synced
[20:29] <ailo> Still, not nearly perfect
[20:30] <ailo> The midi seems to be a few notches ahead of audio
[20:30] <len-dt> ailo, it should be
[20:30] <ailo> It's just strange that what I hear is not what is
[20:30] <len-dt> What setting are you using for -p on jack?
[20:31] <ailo> The latency is pretty large right now
[20:32] <ailo> The audio from hydrogen is taking less time to arrive to my speakers, than to qtractor
[20:33] <ailo> Also, the recorded material in qtractor is a few notches too early
[20:33] <ailo> I'm missing maybe 10-20 ms at the beginning
[20:34] <len-dt> midi or audio?
[20:34] <ailo> audio
[20:34] <ailo> Also, not in sync
[20:34] <ailo> The beats are a bit off
[20:35] <ailo> I'm not really doing any testing now
[20:35] <ailo> Was just going to record some audio to use for the test
[20:36] <ailo> len-dt: Hang on. I'm making a screen shot
[20:38] <ailo> len-dt: http://imagepaste.nullnetwork.net/viewimage.php?id=4721
[20:38] <ailo> len-dt: The bottow two channels have the same exact drum loop, but those are two separate bars of it
[20:39] <ailo> I just copied and pasted one under the other
[20:40] <ailo> You can clearly see they are out of sync, not only with qtractor, but with themselves
[20:40] <ailo> I'm using the hpet and rtc improvements
[20:40] <ailo> -p 1024, I think
[20:45] <len-dt> I did not test midi to audio timing. My question is this a qtractor problem?
[20:45] <ailo> One could try using different settings too. qtractor has settable midi timer
[20:45] <len-dt> We probably need to have signal flow diagram for both midi and audio.
[20:47] <ailo> Could be the situation changes dramatically if not using jack transport. There's a lot of variables
[20:50] <ailo> Coming to think of it, these are exactly the type of things we should get right, and document.
[20:52] <ailo> But, I do think jack midi would make things easier here
[21:18] <ailo> len-dt: Measuring midi agains midi doesn't show you if the midi clock has jitters
[21:18] <ailo> Since everything is following the same clock
[21:19] <ailo> Previously, when I explained the sync problem and how it was apparent to me, was when recording audio
[21:19] <ailo> I haven't ever tried recording midi
[21:19] <ailo> jack midi is solid in this sense
[21:20] <ailo> I used ardour3 to control my external synth and recorded from it
[21:21] <ailo> I think with all the problems that comes with alsa midi, it would just make things easier if we just replaced everything with jack midi
[21:21] <ailo> not "we", literally, of course
[21:23] <ailo> heh, funny. I set qjackctl to use "seq" midi driver, and I get a ticking sound from my speakers
[21:24] <ailo> Hmm, it's from PA
[21:24] <ailo> Seems like my internal card has disappeared too. Something with this MB
[21:25] <ailo> well..


[08:19] <tormod> finally made it to the UDS \o/
[10:20] <lucazade> Bernardo http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9291537&postcount=798
[10:30] <tseliot> lucazade: composite and render should be enabled by default, why did you put them in your xorg.conf?
[10:30] <tseliot> the same applies to aiglx
[10:30] <lucazade> to make test easier
[10:30] <lucazade> yes i know
[10:31] <tseliot> aah, to disable them when you need it
[10:31] <lucazade> i cannot remember every option, so..
[10:32] <lucazade> i leave them
[10:34] <bryceh> hi tseliot
[10:35] <tseliot> hi bryceh
[10:38] <tseliot> lucazade: did you put the 3d driver package in some ppa?
[10:39] <lucazade> not yet... maybe slonua was uploading to the gma500 ppa on launchpad
[10:39] <lucazade> not sure
[10:40] <tseliot> ok
[10:41] <tseliot> I think Sarvatt has the rest of the required packages in his ppa
[10:43] <lucazade> do you a have link to his ppa?
[10:43] <lucazade> or git repo?
[10:44] <tseliot> oh : http://www.internetling.com/2010/05/12/howto-intel-gma-500-poulsbo-on-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/
[10:45] <tseliot> his ppa: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/psb
[10:47] <bryceh> RAOF, ^^^
[10:48] <RAOF> bryceh: Thanks
[10:50] <bryceh> RAOF, tseliot, you guys might want to contact that Lucazade guy and see what changes he did to the packages to get them to work
[10:50] <bryceh> looks to me like it might even be sru-worthy since it seems to have no debs for non-psb bits
[10:50] <bryceh> or mm at least
[10:50] <tseliot> bryceh: getting things to work is one thing, supporting them is another
[10:51] <tseliot> we could put the packages in the x-updates PPA when they are ready
[10:52]  * tseliot knows what it means to try to support poulsbo...
[10:55] <bryceh> tseliot, true
[10:55] <bryceh> oh hey I'm blind, lucazade is here on the channel :-)  sorry lucazade!
[10:57] <tseliot> my touchscreen uses poulsbo (and I have a few other devices with the same chip) therefore I'll be able to test it and fix the packages if something is wrong
[11:03] <lucazade> bryceh: svn repository for gma500...     https://gma500.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/
[11:04] <lucazade> bryceh or lp:gma500
[11:05] <bryceh> RAOF, wayland progress!  made it past the Makefile.in error
[11:06] <bryceh> tseliot, great
[11:08] <bryceh> lucazade, thanks
[11:08] <RAOF> bryceh: yay!
[11:09] <bryceh> lucazade, can you tell me what your interest is with gma500?  any interest helping with the maintenance of it in ubuntu more generally?
[11:14] <lucazade> bryceh.. my interest in gma500 is only for personal use, just a challange with my knowledge. I'd like to help and maintain but i'm not really a driver developer so I honestly don't know if I am able to.
[11:14] <lucazade> really thanks for your offer
[11:18]  * ilmari should get around to forwarding bug #568138 upstream
[11:23] <bryceh> lucazade, ok no prob, well stick around, you sound like you'd be quite helpful if other users have some questions :-)
[12:30] <Bernardo> hi
[12:30] <Bernardo> lucazade: saw that you got it working with gnome, great
[12:31] <Bernardo> I see bryceh has left... :(
[12:32] <Bernardo> lucazade: the problems you had with compiz probably can't be solved with this version of the binary blobs
[12:33] <Bernardo> lucazade: the server part only supports glx 1.2, and if compiz is calling a 1.3 function, then we can't get to work without much effort
[12:34] <lucazade> yes, you're right... i can live without compiz on a netbook :)
[12:36] <lucazade> metacity compositor is enough
[12:44] <Bernardo> Now.. back to try getting some useful information out of x crashes
[12:44] <lucazade> :)
[12:45] <Bernardo> I've followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing but running X under gdb seems impossible on a 1101HA, always goes to 100%cpu
[12:46] <Bernardo> different subject - how do I tell launchpad which folders in bazaar it should build as packages?
[12:47] <lucazade> i've never build ppa from bzr.. always use dput
[12:47] <tseliot> Bernardo: what's the problem? Does X crash?
[12:47] <lucazade> yes
[12:47] <lucazade> with shadowfb false
[12:48] <tseliot> do you have an X log with the backtrace?
[12:48] <lucazade> http://code.google.com/p/gma500/issues/detail?id=21
[12:49] <lucazade> and
[12:49] <lucazade> http://code.google.com/p/gma500/issues/detail?id=15
[12:49] <Bernardo> 15
[12:49] <Bernardo> you're fast... :)
[12:49] <lucazade> eheh
[12:50] <Bernardo> tseliot: my machine has the xorg-core and xorg-core-dbg packages from bryceh's purple ppa, but that seems to be all info I can get from a backtrace
[12:51] <jcristau> you won't get more than that without gdb
[12:52] <Bernardo> I thought as much, but gdb here (running on a ssh session) hangs with xorg taking 100% cpu when I try to reproduce the crash
[12:52] <Bernardo> I've left it running overnight, but after 8 hours it was still hung and wouldn't answer to ctrl-c
[12:52] <jcristau> you could get X to dump core, and run gdb on that
[12:53] <jcristau> (with the -core option; should get a core file in /etc/X11/ after the crash)
[12:53] <Bernardo> let me try now...
[12:58] <Bernardo> jcristau: thanks, now I have 75M core to play with... :)
[13:00] <tseliot> Bernardo: I would like to see the full backtrace from that core
[13:01] <Bernardo> sure
[13:01] <Bernardo> it seems to end up inside pixman_blt_sse2
[13:02] <tseliot> did you install libpixman-1-0-dbg?
[13:09] <Bernardo> Should be:
[13:09] <Bernardo> libpixman-1-0-dbg:
[13:09] <Bernardo>   Instalado: 0.16.4-1ubuntu2
[13:09] <Bernardo>   Candidato: 0.16.4-1ubuntu2
[13:09] <Bernardo> tseliot: http://pastebin.com/gzvrhRcU
[13:10] <tseliot> thanks
[13:10] <Bernardo> tseliot: anything else you want, please ask. I'd love to get this working again (before it breaks with kernel 2.6.34)
[13:11] <tseliot> ok
[13:11] <jcristau> src_bits=0x0, dst_bits=0x0 sounds wrong somehow.
[13:13] <tseliot> yes, it makes very little sense
[13:14] <Bernardo> that seems to happen after #17, miDoCopy, the others below the values still seem to make sense
[13:16] <Bernardo> I forgot I had removed 'Option "NoTrapSignals" "true"' from xorg.conf, do you want another backtrace with that enabled?
[13:17] <jcristau> shouldn't make a difference
[13:19] <Bernardo> ok, anything you want me to patch jusk ask.
[13:20] <tseliot> sure
[13:22] <lucazade> is it th same issue? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580119
[13:27] <jcristau> i don't think so.  not sure though.
[13:28] <jcristau> that one is a hang, not a segv, and it's using intel, not psb (which means not exa).
[13:36] <Bernardo> leaving now, I'll be back in a couple of hours
[13:58] <tseliot> lucazade: can you reproduce the problem if you set Option "MigrationHeuristic" to "always" instead of "greedy"?
[13:58] <tseliot> in your xorg.conf, that is
[14:00] <tseliot> Bernardo|away: ^^
[15:37] <Bernardo> tseliot: ok, will try now
[15:37] <tseliot> thanks
[15:39] <Bernardo> with always it will crash on kdm login screen
[15:39] <Bernardo> let me check the core
[15:39] <tseliot> Bernardo: also, please try "smart" instead of "always"
[15:40] <Bernardo> http://pastebin.com/MNgfDDLg
[15:40] <Bernardo> that is for always
[15:40] <Bernardo> I'll try smart now
[15:40] <jg> bryceh: so a smoke test on the RS600 rotation bug passed; KMS doesn't work on it.
[15:42] <Bernardo> http://pastebin.com/qN63Zgab
[15:42] <bryceh> jg, the smoke test passed with KMS off, but failed with it on?
[15:42]  * tseliot has a look at the log
[15:43] <Bernardo> with smart I don't even get a graphic, only a flashing cursor on the top left
[15:43] <tseliot> ah, ok
[15:44] <Bernardo> but X is started, according to the backtrace I posted
[15:50] <jg> bryceh: doesn't work at all with kms on.  rotate works with kms off.
[15:51] <jg> bryceh: as X wont run at all on KMS on the chip, rotation is moot.
[15:51] <jg> (nor does the console work with kms enabled).
[16:07] <jg> bryceh: also, I have a brand-spanking, new HP Elitebook 2540p notebook; neither Ubuntu nor Fedora will install on it.  ajax took a look; it appears to be the first eDP laptop in captivity he's heard of.  What is happening from the conversation ajax and keithp had is that the X server is trying to set the frequency on the eDP internal panel, that it should not mess with, and loses.  Ironically, if I plug an external panel into the external DP connector, it drives ju
[16:07] <jg> st fine (but it's hard to install when you can't see what you are doing, short of a text based install).
[16:07] <jg> bryceh: I haven't had a chance to catch up with ajax to see if he has a patch yet.
[16:26] <Bernardo> tseliot: anything else?
[16:28] <Sarvatt> jg: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2010-May/006847.html -- doesn't look promising though https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28070
[16:28] <tseliot> Bernardo: no, thanks. I think we'll have to settle with "greedy" then. I'm wondering what can be causing that null pointer...
[17:19] <Bernardo> tseliot: the bug seems similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/539772 but I am already using the packages from bryceh that should fix that
[17:27] <tseliot> Bernardo: while I don't think it's the same problem I think I can try a similar solution by checking that the pointer in the source drawable is not null
[17:28] <tseliot> I need to look more into this issue
[17:29] <Bernardo> Ok, if you want me to test that, I'm here.
[17:35] <tseliot> Bernardo: ah, did you say that you're already using the xserver from ppa:bryceharrington/purple ?
[17:35] <Bernardo> yes
[17:35] <Bernardo> When I first got a backtrace, I googled for something similar, and found that
[17:36] <tseliot> aah, ok
[17:36] <Bernardo> tried to see if it fixed the problem, but it didn't
[17:36] <tseliot> as I thought, it's a different problem
[17:36] <Bernardo> but at least it gave me debug symbols for xorg-core
[17:36] <tseliot> but it's still useful as a reference
[17:36] <Bernardo> I thought as much
[18:08] <tseliot> Bernardo: I've written a patch so as to check that point earlier. I'm trying to build X here before I upload to a PPA
[18:08] <tseliot> s/point/pointer/
[18:22] <tseliot> Bernardo: please try 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu8~lp539772tseliot1 when it's built: https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/ppa
[18:23] <Bernardo> tseliot: sure
[18:23] <Bernardo> thanks!
[18:23] <tseliot> thanks for testing
[18:28] <Bernardo> ok, seems like all three (common, core, and core-dbg) are there, so I'll install them now
[18:29] <tseliot> great
[18:29] <Bernardo> starting x without shadowfb...
[18:29] <tseliot> Bernardo: wait it says that it's still building here
[18:30] <tseliot> make sure that the version ends with tseliot1
[18:30] <Bernardo> Ah... I got the ones without. Only looked at 539772. Doh...
[18:30] <tseliot> https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/ppa/+build/1738412
[18:31] <tseliot> Bernardo: the packages seem to be available here ^^
[18:31] <Bernardo> Yes, they are just awaiting publication, I'll try downloading from there
[18:31] <tseliot> ok
[18:34] <Bernardo> installing now
[18:35] <tseliot> good
[18:36] <Bernardo> still crashes... :(
[18:37] <Bernardo> http://pastebin.com/jaTCqM1g
[18:38]  * tseliot has a look at the log
[18:57] <lucazade> Bernardo: anything to test?
[19:01]  * tseliot -> dinner
[19:20]  * Bernardo just finished dinner... :)
[19:20] <Bernardo> lucazade: tseliot made a patch to try to fix the crash, but unfortunately it wasn't successful
[19:44] <lucazade> Bernardo ok
[20:17] <tseliot> Bernardo|away, lucazade: I've just uploaded another patch (make sure you install 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu8~lp539772tseliot2) https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/ppa
[20:18] <lucazade> xorg-server ?
[20:18] <tseliot> yep, it hasn't been built yet though
[20:19] <lucazade> add the ppa and update?
[20:20] <tseliot> yes, when the package are ready
[20:20] <tseliot> packages
[20:20] <lucazade> ok i'l wait
[20:20] <tseliot> thanks
[20:28] <lucazade> tseliot failed to build
[20:32] <tseliot> let me check
[20:34] <tseliot> I found the problem... let me fix it
[20:34] <lucazade> ok
[20:41] <tseliot> lucazade: ok, re-uploaded (~lp539772tseliot3)
[20:41] <lucazade> tseliot perfect
[20:42] <lucazade> i'm in queue as the package
[20:44] <tseliot> ok
[20:56] <Bernardo> tseliot, lucazade: I see we have another patch to test?
[20:56] <tseliot> Bernardo: I'd be glad if you could test ~lp539772tseliot3 too
[20:56] <tseliot> it's still building
[20:56] <Bernardo> ok, I'll wait... gnawing my finger nails...
[20:57] <tseliot> :-)
[20:59] <Sarvatt> jcristau: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/xenocara/driver/xf86-video-intel/
[20:59] <Sarvatt> (if you didn't find it yet)
[21:00] <tseliot> Bernardo, lucazade: https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/ppa/+build/1738531
[21:01] <lucazade> tseliot refreshed ppa but still display tseliot1.. maybe some mins
[21:01] <Bernardo> ok, going to download it
[21:02] <tseliot> yes, they haven't been published yet
[21:02] <lucazade> ok
[21:03] <Bernardo> installing...
[21:04] <LaMs> Hey guys, thanks for working on the poulsbo stuff for Lucid
[21:04] <Bernardo> testing now...
[21:05] <Bernardo> tseliot: I think you got it!
[21:05] <Bernardo> yes!
[21:05] <Bernardo> didn't crash as usual, and 3d works
[21:05] <lucazade> grande Alberto
[21:06] <LaMs> Wow ! Does that mean that I'll get 3D on my mini 10 with that guys ?
[21:06] <Bernardo> glblur gives 16.6 fps
[21:06] <tseliot> Bernardo, lucazade: really?
[21:06] <Bernardo> 19.9 with overclocking
[21:07] <Bernardo> still one problem wth bitmaps
[21:07] <lucazade> still installing here
[21:07] <Bernardo> the eee-control tray icon is empty, the kde native ones show
[21:07] <Bernardo> LaMs: thank tselliot for it
[21:08] <Bernardo> I just ported stuff from mandriva, tseliot seems to have found the main problem with 3d
[21:08] <LaMs> tselliot: I understand that you are the one who made 3d possible, so a big thank you !
[21:08] <jcristau> Sarvatt: oga gave me a link to his openbsd git repo, thanks
[21:08] <Sarvatt> ricotz: huh did linux - 2.6.34-2.8 fail to build? I copied that over a few hours ago but your linux - 2.6.34-2.7~lucid~ricotz1 is in there?
[21:09] <tseliot> LaMs: it seems that (much to my surprise) I have worked around the problem, yes
[21:09] <Bernardo> tseliot: can I make the announcement on the ubuntuforums thread to tell people to add the ppa, or do you want do hold or do it yourself?
[21:09] <LaMs> I can test for you guys and I may help a little bit if needed. I'm an embedded developer here at work and have some experience with kernel driver
[21:09] <tseliot> Bernardo, lucazade: I can make my patch smaller so that RAOF can adopt it
[21:10] <LaMs> Just don't have any experience with Xorg at all
[21:10] <tseliot> Bernardo: sure, go ahead
[21:10] <Bernardo> LaMs: add the gma500 ppa (or run lucazade's script), then add alberto milone's ppa ( https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/ppa) and upgrade
[21:10] <ricotz> Sarvatt, yeah 2.8 has a wrong ABI folder and failed, there is no real difference to 2.7
[21:10] <lucazade> lams kernel 2.6.34 break psb-kernel-source
[21:10] <lucazade> LaMs
[21:11] <Sarvatt> theres a fix for 2.6.34 on the intel-gfx lists
[21:11] <LaMs> lucazade: Is 2.6.34 a kernel that Lucid will support ?
[21:11] <Bernardo> tseliot: thanks a lot. There is still the bitmaps issue, and now we can look at problems with 2.6.34 - but maybe those are solved now
[21:11] <Bernardo> lucazade: how is it going?
[21:11] <Sarvatt> LaMs: nope
[21:11] <lucazade> tseliot icons are not visible
[21:11] <tseliot> Bernardo: bitmaps issue? Do you have a bug report I can look at?
[21:12] <lucazade> but it booted ok
[21:12] <Sarvatt> there will probably be a IEGD release here soon that supports 10.04
[21:12] <Bernardo> the one I just was talking about - eee-control icon isn't visible, all the kde standard ones (which I think are svgs) can be seen
[21:12] <Sarvatt> once meego comes out
[21:12] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: I thought meego will have xorg 1.8?
[21:12] <Sarvatt> yup
[21:13] <Bernardo> So either we use the xorg-edgers ppa, or you guys are planning backporting 1.8 to lucid?
[21:13] <tseliot> a IEGD release would save us a lot of work
[21:14] <jcristau> sigh iegd.  that shit still exists?
[21:14] <Bernardo> if it finally fixes suspend/resume
[21:14] <Sarvatt> no but it'd be trivial for them to support xserver 1.7 if they do 1.8
[21:14] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: if they feel like it
[21:14] <lucazade> tseliot i think bitmap issue is the last one
[21:14] <tseliot> jcristau: do nightmares exist?
[21:15] <Bernardo> tseliot: I thought the nightmare is the gma500/poulsbo itself
[21:15] <tseliot> the driver is the problem
[21:15] <Bernardo> shows you a glimpse of cheap, fast, low power graphics, but with crappy binary blobs tying it down.
[21:15] <Sarvatt> poulsbo is a dream even compared to arm GPU's :D
[21:16]  * Bernardo dabbles wit a zauros for quite some time
[21:16]  * Bernardo has a zaurus C1000 for the taking, if someone wants to play with a old arm system...
[21:17] <tseliot> well I *think* poulsbo and some arm gpus share some intellectual property
[21:18] <Bernardo> Sarvatt: I won't trade my 1101HA for any laptop or netbook costing even 5 times as much. It is light, the right size, and when the drivers work I can watch full hd with it. And even when they don't work that well I can do my work with it.
[21:18] <LaMs> As PowerVR is concerned yes
[21:18] <LaMs> From my readings ...
[21:18] <tseliot> yep
[21:19] <Bernardo> tseliot: I can see other problems, probably bitmap related, progress bars in kde now have a "grey rectangle within darker grey rectangle" background
[21:20] <Bernardo> but the desktop bitmap shows without problems
[21:21] <tseliot> Bernardo: yes, I just worked around the problem by preventing the driver from trying to copy null drawables
[21:21] <lucazade> here on gnome i can't see any icons, wallpapers is visible, glxgears seems to run ok
[21:21] <tseliot> ok
[21:21] <LaMs> lucazade: Any suspicious message in system logs ?
[21:22] <lucazade> let me see if i see any
[21:23] <Bernardo> nothing in dmesg
[21:24] <tseliot> yes, it's an X thing
[21:24] <tseliot> not kernel related
[21:24] <Bernardo> in Xorg.0.log there is the usual "(EE) PSB(0): First SDVO output reported failure to sync or input is not trainded!!!"
[21:24] <Bernardo> nothing much more
[21:25] <Bernardo> the "loading" icon in kde is corrupted
[21:25] <lucazade> Xsession-error nothing, trying to start gnome-session --debug
[21:25] <tseliot> Do you see the corruption after trying to reproduce the previous problem or as soon as you start X?
[21:26] <Bernardo> I only saw corruption now, the usual result is a blank space where a application icon should be
[21:27] <tseliot> ok but as soon as you started X?
[21:27] <Bernardo> as soon as I got the kde desktop
[21:27] <tseliot> ok
[21:27] <Bernardo> another symptom, scrolling in firefox scrolls only a bit of the page, the rest remains
[21:27] <tseliot> I maybe I'm killing sane drawables too
[21:28] <tseliot> let me reduce the patch and rebuild the packages
[21:28] <Bernardo> ok
[21:29] <LaMs> Ok I'm leaving
[21:29] <LaMs> I'll get back from home with my mini 1010 in hand
[21:29] <LaMs> I've not upgrade it yet
[21:30] <LaMs> chow and great work guys
[21:31] <Bernardo> scrolling in konsole also has problems, only scrolls the last two lines
[21:34] <tseliot> Bernardo, lucazade: ok, I've just uploaded ~lp539772tseliot4 to my ppa
[21:35] <lucazade> tseliot ok
[21:36] <Bernardo> ok
[21:37] <Bernardo> I see the build will start in 10 minutes
[21:40]  * tseliot -> brb
[21:43] <Bernardo> at least vaapi works - fullHD!
[21:43] <lucazade> :D
[22:09] <Bernardo> ok, it just build, so final test...
[22:14] <Bernardo> Still doesn't crash, but scrolling is still broken in firefox and console, and the eee-control icon is still invisible
[22:14] <Bernardo> have to go now, see you guys tomorrow.
[22:14] <Bernardo> good night!
[22:14] <lucazade> see you Bernardo
[22:14] <lucazade> night
[22:14] <Bernardo|away> bye lucazade
[22:14] <lucazade> same issue here
[22:15] <lucazade> tseliot ping
[22:16] <lucazade> i have to go..
[22:16] <lucazade> bye
[22:17] <lucazade> lucazade - away
[22:31] <tseliot> Bernardo|away, lucazade: ok, thanks for testing. I'll investigate the issue tomorrow


[03:59] <excalibr> Helo
[04:40] <fairuz> helo
[04:43] <excalibr> apa kabar
[04:43] <excalibr> hyperair: apa kabar di sana
[04:43] <fairuz> baik
[04:43] <excalibr> ni hau
[04:43] <excalibr> huhu
[04:46] <fairuz> hen hau :D
[05:28] <hyperair> excalibr: haha PSI 371
[05:29]  * hyperair suffocates and dies
[05:59] <excalibr> hyperair: oh mai..it's getting worse?
[05:59] <hyperair> ya
[05:59] <hyperair> http://app2.nea.gov.sg/anti-pollution-radiation-protection/air-pollution/psi
[06:02] <excalibr> *gasp* that's beyond hazardous level
[06:03] <hyperair> haha yeah way way beyond


[18:31] <stgraber> I uploaded a new ltsp yesterday to the archive. Upstream moved from implementing their own daemonizing code in python to using python-daemon, it'll need to be promoted to main. The three required MIRs (python-daemon, a build-dep and a dep) have been opened in LP so hopefully ltsp should start working again as soon as they've been approved.
[18:35] <ScottK> stgraber: I'd recommend targeting the MIR bugs at Alpha 2 if you didn't.
[18:48] <stgraber> ah, good point. Done


[14:32] <qwebirc52647> hey guys =)
[14:33] <qwebirc52647> is it possible to set my mythtv frontend up the way it automatically detects usb drives and either adds the files to the video directory or just adds the drive to the library?
[14:36] <qwebirc52647> i mean the backend^^


[02:13] <black_pixel> X-( i get font corruption every time i use Xmir
[02:14] <black_pixel> if i don't use Xmir, the fonts in unity8 are ok
[02:14] <black_pixel> but once i use Xmir stuff it goes dowhill
[02:14] <duflu> black_pixel: Good news. I am the Xmir maintainer. Although do you mean font corruption in the shell?
[02:14] <black_pixel> yes :D
[02:14] <black_pixel> you want screenshot?
[02:15] <duflu> black_pixel: I just updated that bug minutes ago:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1583088
[02:15] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1583088 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Randomly corrupt font / text / characters in Unity8" [High,Confirmed]
[02:16] <black_pixel> dufu http://i.imgur.com/JTekJlZ.png
[02:17] <duflu> black_pixel: Yes that's it. Please join in the above bug report and make some noise so it might get more attention
[02:18] <black_pixel> i am aldready subscribed :D dinamic (dinamic6661)
[02:19] <black_pixel> hm quassel runs ok native
[02:19] <black_pixel> i guess it's a qt5 app
[02:21] <duflu> black_pixel: Which apps trigger it will probably be random. I've had it happen with zero apps. It's a problem in the shell and not the apps
[02:21] <duflu> A problem in the Qt toolkit I mean, visible in the shell
[02:21] <duflu> Or a problem in our Ubuntu UI toolkit
[02:23] <black_pixel> but only happens on the desktop, on the phone/tablet it is ok
[02:24] <duflu> Yeah. More good news - it's not random corruption. You can see the character in there and it's just being blitted with an incorrect stride
[02:25] <duflu> If only I knew what code was responsible it might be easy to fix
[02:26] <black_pixel> something that renders fonts :D
[02:26] <black_pixel> <-- me noob
[02:29] <black_pixel> and also only some chars are corrupted
[02:30] <duflu> Yes, some chars where the width does not match the stride it seems.  Not the renderer
[03:30] <black_pixel> omg 5:30AM here OMG! i forgot to sleep lol, bye all
[04:24] <RAOF> Ah, good.
[04:25] <RAOF> Tons of mysterious pthread aborts on process exit on trunk!
[04:25] <RAOF> Yay!
[05:13] <RAOF> Huh.
[05:13] <RAOF> So, not hiding all the symbols from dummy.so results in gtest aborting on shutdown.
[05:34] <duflu> Whee.


[04:48]  * Laif hi :)
[16:25] <tdaitx> hello! could someone set LP: #1581835 priority to Whishlist for both OpenJDK 8 and 7? thanks! =)
[16:26] <teward> tdaitx: done
[16:26] <tdaitx> teward: thanks! =)
[16:28] <tdaitx> LP: #1580162 could probably be set as triaged, the fix is available/commited upstream and will be integrated on the next OpenJDK-8 update
[16:28] <teward> tdaitx: importance?
[16:30] <teward> tdaitx: triaged, agreed, but it should probably get an importance set, and I can't get to the KB article they linked heh
[16:31] <tdaitx> teward: high? it does have a severe impact on a small portion of Ubuntu users, but only 1 user so far so I can see how medium could fit
[16:32] <teward> i was steering towards Medium myself, but meh
[16:32] <teward> done
[16:32] <teward> and that's all for me today, lunchtime over, back to work!
[16:32] <tdaitx> teward: many thanks =)
[16:32] <teward> :P
[18:54] <patcable> Hi there -- I have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1580952 committed in Xenial, but would also like to get the update tracked for Trusty as well. Would I apply the patch to 1.0.1-ubuntu2.13, up the version and update the changelog then do a debdiff and attach that to the ticket?
[18:57] <nacc> patcable: you'll also need to request someone open a task for trusty itself in that bug
[18:57] <nacc> patcable: and might want to adjust the title as well
[18:57] <patcable> heh, someone else filed that bug
[18:57] <patcable> nacc: so then, would i file another SRU for trusty, then attach a debdiff?
[18:58] <nacc> patcable: no, you can request here (per the sru documentation) that a bugtask be created for trusty in that same bug
[18:58] <nacc> patcable: and then you'd attach your trusty debdiff to that same bug
[19:00] <patcable> alrighty
[19:00] <nacc> patcable: have you made a debdiff before?
[19:00] <patcable> I havent, but I'm working on updating changelog and doing a build now
[19:01] <nacc> patcable: ok
[19:10] <patcable> nacc would i just do a debdiff *changes or debdiff on apt-transport-https?
[19:12] <nacc> patcable: there are probably multiple ways fo doing this, but i use dpkg-buildpackage to generate the .dsc file(s)
[19:12] <nacc> and then debdiff the .dsc files
[19:13] <patcable> hmm, i'll have to do this on a different machine then if i need to sign it with a key of some sort
[19:14] <nacc> patcable: it doesn't need to be signed for the purposes of the debdiff, iirc
[19:14] <patcable> ah ok
[19:14] <nacc> i tend to invoke it with: `dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -S -nc -d`
[19:14] <nacc> that's from a working directory containing the pacakge source
[19:19] <patcable> right, okay
[19:21] <patcable> nacc: should this file be huge? seeing a ton of docs that i didnt change in the diff
[19:22] <nacc> patcable: no it shouldn't, you mean the debdiff?
[19:23] <patcable> yeah
[19:23] <nacc> patcable: no, it should basically look like hte normal code patch, except you've also got a chagnelog change
[19:23] <patcable> thats what i thought. hm. let me try something again
[19:25] <patcable> ah, ok. yep. I ran debuild before running your dpkg-buildpackage
[19:26] <nacc> ah yeah
[20:07] <patcable> cool. So I updated 1575877 with that debdiff file and ask for it to be tracked in trusty. i even made one for precise for laughs
[20:08] <patcable> well... to be clear, I'm asking here for it to be tracked in trusty/precise :)


[15:57] <snwh> I think fedora is taking the chance that none of us will talk about fedora. ;)
[15:58] <me4oslav> So - mhall119, here?
[15:58] <snwh> me4oslav he's out raising money for charity.
[15:58] <me4oslav> snwh - Ahh, today is the day for that?
[15:59] <snwh> No, Oct. 4. but they have to get the money first.
[16:00] <me4oslav> snwh - I see, anyway, you saw this, right? https://plus.google.com/u/0/109919666334513536939/posts/PmtcGT1cCrD
[16:05] <snwh> m4oslav I have
[16:05] <snwh> me4oslav*
[16:06] <me4oslav> snwh - so, we can start doing the basic questionary?
[16:06] <snwh-phone> me4oslav yes
[16:07] <me4oslav> snwh-phone snwh - So, target audience - what kind of people will use this app? For what OS it will be built? To which HIG it has to stick?
[16:08] <snwh-phone> Every kind of people me4oslav. And i assume given Michael hall came up with the idea we ought to develop for Ubuntu
[16:09] <snwh-phone> It is note taking. I personally dont use note apps though haha
[16:10] <snwh> agreed
[16:11] <me4oslav> snwh-phone snwh So we need an application that will be designed for Ubuntu and should be target at mass audience of users?
[16:13] <snwh> we shouldn't limit our audience. but target the average user; ease of use ought to be a priority
[16:13] <snwh> ubuntu is the safe ground given the user base percentage
[16:13] <snwh> it can be ported down the road.
[16:14] <me4oslav> snwh - So, we need Menubar => appmenu => hud. Unity integration. Sticking to Ubuntu's HIG (e.g. sticking to the thing that doesn't exist) :)
[16:14] <me4oslav> at the _very least_
[16:16] <snwh> me4oslav we ought to build a stable app. then integrate it
[16:16] <me4oslav> snwh - Yup. Now we need Michael here :) To give us access to his balsamiq sketches :)
[16:16] <snwh> not sacrificing stability for integration
[16:16] <snwh> very
[16:17] <snwh> I ought to use a different nickname for my snwh-phone to make it look like some agrees with me all the time.
[16:18] <me4oslav> snwh :D Now we gotta have a look at some other note taking apps
[16:18] <snwh> me4oslav at least we have his g+ post
[16:18] <snwh> Tomboy, Gnote..
[16:18] <snwh> lets not use Mono haha
[16:18] <me4oslav> snwh - Have you seen "The Board"
[16:18] <snwh> don't like it
[16:19] <me4oslav> Why :)
[16:20] <me4oslav> snwh - No Mono, there isn't a Mono GTK 3 binding
[16:20] <snwh> me4oslav -don't like cork
[16:20] <snwh> :P
[16:20] <me4oslav> the apps need to be GTK 3
[16:20] <snwh> me4oslav what if we made an app that would occupy a workspace and act much like a "widget board"
[16:21] <snwh> me4oslav - i know i was just taking a jab at mono
[16:21] <snwh> to emulate Mac OS for a moment.
[16:22] <me4oslav> :D snwh - I like the idea of Interactive app. Some people might kill us for being slightly inconsistent, but damn it - Lightread did won the app-showdown
[16:22] <me4oslav> did win*
[16:23] <snwh> we might be being too ambitious, haha
[16:23] <me4oslav> swnh - Have you seen Postman app?
[16:23] <snwh> for iphone?
[16:24] <me4oslav> snwh - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/postman-photo-uploader-adds-google-picasa-support
[16:24] <snwh> so... garish... ugh
[16:25] <me4oslav> snwh - I meant the behaviour - drag and drop and etc...
[16:25] <snwh> yes that
[16:25] <me4oslav> obviously it looks out of place with the current graphics they used
[16:25] <snwh> here's a picture, link, shorcut document...
[16:25] <snwh> drag to our app and it's posted
[16:26] <snwh> on this "board"
[16:26] <snwh> what if Ubuntu had that built in...
[16:27] <snwh> we ought to propose this for 13.04 :P
[16:27] <me4oslav> snwh - So we need some "desk space" to were to stick the notes
[16:28] <me4oslav> snwh - some idea how to come up with pretty and usable d'n'd UX
[16:28] <snwh> yes. another icon like the workspace unity one that you can drag stuff too like a pin board
[16:28] <snwh> "Unity Pin Board" haha
[16:29] <me4oslav> snwh - categorization for the "Desk space" (by date, by type ....) and a pretty design for the desk space texture
[16:29] <snwh> and it could open a fullscreen app that mimics the Dash
[16:30] <snwh> (I love brainstorming)
[16:30] <me4oslav> snwh - we need Fullscreen UX? :) Lets leave that aside for now
[16:31] <snwh> me4oslav - it could be part of unity
[16:31] <me4oslav> snwh - regarding the integration with services, what else do we need except Ubuntu one? And yes - Unity lens is needed
[16:31] <snwh> me4oslav -what if it was just a lens?
[16:32] <snwh> a notes lens
[16:32] <me4oslav> snwh - people will take our ribcages out. Lens won't quite cut it, not powerful enough
[16:33] <snwh> let me mock up my idea
[16:33] <me4oslav> snwh - OK
[16:35] <snwh> me4oslav - ill do that later
[16:36] <me4oslav> snwh - OK :) I will just think of d'n'd UX
[16:36] <snwh> dnd?
[16:36] <me4oslav> drag and drop
[16:36] <snwh> yea
[16:37] <snwh> given the unity trash has drag and drop. if somehow we could emulate that -but not send to trash but send it to this app
[16:38] <snwh> Write a note > drag it to the launcher icon - it's posted on our app UI
[16:39]  * me4oslav is just thinking ... randomly, but still :D
[16:39] <snwh> "Oh I'm in chrome, i like this website" drag the url > the app creates a favourite link.
[16:40] <snwh> me4oslav drag and drop text of any sort
[16:40] <snwh> and it could parse urls from plain text
[16:40] <snwh> and make either a note or a link
[16:41] <snwh> for later
[16:41] <me4oslav> snwh - use cases aside ... I am just thinking about the UI of the d'n'd Obviously we need URL d'n'd et all
[16:42]  * snwh is over brainstorming
[16:42] <snwh> me4oslav - i'll come back to earth
[16:43] <snwh> mhall119 mentioned wanted stacking or rolling of notes
[16:44] <me4oslav> snwh - define "stacking and rolling notes"
[16:45] <snwh> me4oslav, as you would have a stack of notes that are similar in subject or etc.
[16:45] <snwh> in his mockups he had a "note roll"
[16:45] <snwh> and the notes within it
[16:45] <me4oslav> snwh - categorization? I mentioned that at the beginning  :)
[16:45] <snwh> me4oslav it's not categorization per se
[16:47] <me4oslav> snwh - then?
[16:47] <snwh> me4oslav if it were categorized it would be user defined.
[16:48] <snwh> no pre-existing categories except maybe time
[16:50] <me4oslav> snwh - aha, I figured it out.  :P
[16:58] <me4oslav> snwh - so d'n'd - we have to use the mouse acceleration, so our d'n'd bar has to be at the bottom (I think)
[16:59] <me4oslav> "bar"
[16:59] <snwh> me4oslav Postman is making me cringe
[17:00] <snwh> stamps
[17:00] <me4oslav> snwh - that's why I said ours needs to be _better_
[17:01] <snwh> me4oslav - i think if it were along the lines of The Board
[17:04] <me4oslav> snwh - I am thinking of "bar" at the bottom of the "desk space" with monochrome transparent icons of the services provided there
[17:04] <me4oslav> when the users starts dragging the icons become 100% opaque and when you go with the note over one of them it enlarges
[17:05] <me4oslav> snwh - just a very early idea, might suck for all I know :D
[17:06] <snwh> me4oslav - why not just have autoupload to services
[17:06] <snwh> or Sync with Ubuntu One
[17:07] <me4oslav> snwh - what other service do we need, but UbuntuOne?
[17:07] <snwh> none haha
[17:07] <me4oslav> mine would work with at least 5, with just one it sucks
[17:07] <snwh> but notes are temporary things
[17:08] <snwh> just having them upload to all sorts of services seems pointless.
[17:08] <snwh> syncronizing across ubuntu machines on the other hand is something else.
[17:10] <snwh> me4oslav - how i think of a note system is something you want to remind you for a little while or to keep for a bit but throw out eventually. So turnover of content would be high
[17:11] <snwh> uploading to picasa, gdocs, flickr, etc. wouldnt ideal since youd just flood it with stuff
[17:12] <snwh> anything seriously worth uploading theyd use a different app for.
[17:12] <me4oslav> snwh - so we need _only_ Ubuntu One syncing?
[17:12] <snwh> or dropbox perhaps
[17:13] <snwh> we could focus on U1
[17:13] <me4oslav> dropbox has Notes syncing?
[17:13] <snwh> file syncing
[17:13] <snwh> a folder of txt files called notes or something
[17:14] <me4oslav> that's terrible Dropbox hack. Don't like it
[17:14] <snwh> U1
[17:14] <snwh> thats what my phone does for photos: A folder called Camera Uploads
[17:15] <snwh> and for U1 if i wanted
[17:17] <me4oslav> so, I will just scrap the off-going OTB UX
[17:17] <me4oslav> we just need ingoing
[17:18] <snwh> you create a note in our app > it creates a text file in a folder that syncronizes with ubuntu one > on another machine with u1 and our app the txt file is synced and our app read the folder when its ran and it appears within the app interface
[17:18] <snwh> wehn opened
[17:18] <snwh> we'd have a daemon that checks periodically for changes
[17:19] <me4oslav> what if the the suer doesn't want auto-sync?
[17:19] <snwh> then they disable it
[17:19] <snwh> it'd be an opt-in feature of course
[17:19] <me4oslav> Which would break our hall interactive UX
[17:20] <snwh> the interactivity would be the adding of content to the app
[17:20] <kamilnadeem> :-)
[17:20] <snwh> via dnd
[17:20] <kamilnadeem> Hi Everyone
[17:20] <me4oslav> hi, kamil
[17:21] <snwh> hello
[17:21] <kamilnadeem> Where has the discussion reached?
[17:21] <kamilnadeem> snwh: Hi
[17:21] <snwh> a crossroads
[17:21] <snwh> I joke :P
[17:21] <me4oslav> anyway, snwh - the ingoing D'n'd is pretty straightforward
[17:22] <snwh> me4oslav - yes
[17:22] <me4oslav> the stacking, categorization are up to be. You can take care of the background deisgn and the notes sheets
[17:22] <me4oslav> design
[17:23] <kamilnadeem> I saw *hall post about it earlier(Anonymity of the person must be kept me4oslav for those who don't know yet right?
[17:23] <me4oslav> what's bugging me is the the Ubuntu syncing. I am not willing to leave that not-interactive - snwh
[17:23] <me4oslav> kamilnadeem - Ehh?
[17:24] <kamilnadeem> Nothing
[17:24] <snwh> me4oslav well it could be: a note stack that is synced
[17:25] <snwh> others wouldnt be
[17:25] <me4oslav> snwh - and the user will know this how?
[17:26] <snwh> have the top most note have a U1 logo
[17:26] <me4oslav> and when its synced - its Orange, when not its grey-ed out?
[17:26] <kamilnadeem> Makes sense
[17:27] <snwh> sure
[17:27] <me4oslav> kamilnadeem - I will post the logs on Google+ :)
[17:27] <me4oslav> (and twitter)
[17:27] <me4oslav> so, snwh - so here is what we will do - A) Find a dev (we can't code it to save your lives)
[17:28] <snwh> thered be the user defined stacks and the U1 stack would appear if the user chooses to enable u1 syncing
[17:28] <kamilnadeem> good, I will be off then.
[17:28] <snwh> if we keep the "desk" metaphor
[17:28] <me4oslav> you start mockuping stuff, I will start sketching tomorrow
[17:28] <me4oslav> yup - if we keep the "interactivness"
[17:28] <me4oslav> veness*
[17:29] <snwh> i can picture it
[17:29] <snwh> ugh I wish i hadnt lost my tablet pen
[17:29] <me4oslav> snwh - yes, just come up with *pretty* background and notes design
[17:29] <me4oslav> we don't want "a la Postman" and "a la Board" uglyness
[17:29] <me4oslav> :)
[17:30] <snwh> we could have a pinboard metaphor
[17:30] <me4oslav> we _ need_ that :) ^^
[17:30] <snwh> but note look like one
[17:30] <snwh> we should call it Pinboard
[17:30] <snwh> haha
[17:30] <me4oslav> or Agnetha xD
[17:30] <snwh> what does mpt say about silly names :P
[17:30] <me4oslav> but srsly, I'm not naming stuff, I would come with something atrociously bizarre
[17:31] <me4oslav> probably named after some god
[17:31] <me4oslav> you come up with a sane name
[17:31] <snwh> Pinboard is sane
[17:31] <snwh> and it sort of says what it does
[17:31] <me4oslav> good enough for me :)
[17:31] <snwh> i like one word things
[17:32] <snwh> simplicity
[17:32] <snwh> easy package name to sudo apt-get
[17:32] <me4oslav> like "Files" ... /trolllface
[17:32] <snwh> hahah
[17:32] <snwh> still nautilus in packagename
[17:32] <snwh> haha
[17:32] <snwh> shall i create the launchpad project?
[17:33] <me4oslav> damn, even Athena is better name than Files and that means a thing or two :D
[17:33] <snwh> but it doesnt really say what the app does
[17:33] <me4oslav> I think the dev should create one
[17:33] <snwh> "Do you use Athena?" "What?"
[17:34] <snwh> The "pinboard team" can be assigned as a driver
[17:34] <me4oslav> snwh - TBF I wanted to name it Drawer, Ikey said that it mean "underwear", than he said "Apollo", than "athena"
[17:34] <snwh> and all on that can access
[17:34] <me4oslav> anyway - Pinboard it is
[17:35] <snwh> :)
[17:35] <snwh> i can start all the launchpad stuff.
[17:35] <me4oslav> ok, start drawing stuff :) I will take care of the dialogs sketches tmrw (that's one me, don't wanna abuse ya)
[17:36] <snwh> I will. I'll create the team and the project and you can join on Lp
[17:37] <me4oslav> kk :) I just hope our mysterious dev agrees with us ... oh well, he will have no chance - MWUBUHAHA
[17:38] <snwh> haha
[17:38] <snwh> well if people like the idea hopefully theyll contribute
[17:39] <me4oslav> I will make sure the mockups end on OMG!
[17:39] <me4oslav> :)
[17:39] <me4oslav> end up*
[17:40] <me4oslav> you just make sure they are extremely pretty :) I will start sketching tmrw :)
[17:41] <snwh> me4oslav - go join: https://launchpad.net/~pinboard-drivers
[17:42] <me4oslav> -drivers? That's the team, right?
[17:42] <snwh> yes
[17:42] <me4oslav> PHEW
[17:42] <snwh> me4oslav - summarize our app
[17:43] <snwh> the tilde indicates a team or user :P
[17:43] <me4oslav> can I use "sexy" :D
[17:43] <snwh> in more than 1 word
[17:43] <snwh> what is our project purpose
[17:44] <me4oslav> Yeah ... I know. Just let me clean it from British stuff xP
[17:48] <me4oslav> Pinboard is user-friendly note organizing application build. Built with interactiveness in mind it provides the user with easy to use workflow to organize your notes.
[17:48] <me4oslav> something like this
[17:49] <me4oslav> snwh ^^
[17:49] <snwh> build?
[17:50] <me4oslav> ... grammar ... blah :D
[17:50] <snwh> A simple easy-to-use application for quickly placing daily photos, video, audio, text, and more. Think of it as a combination note-taking space and organizer.
[17:50] <snwh> is what i put in
[17:50] <snwh> and i see i left out a comma
[17:51] <me4oslav> "Think" is too intimidating
[17:51] <me4oslav> consider might be better
[17:51] <me4oslav> and are we doing photos and stuff? The poor dev will die before he codes our design :D
[17:53] <snwh> well a text file is no more difficult to organize as a jpg or whatever :P
[17:53] <me4oslav> unless syncing
[17:53] <me4oslav> imagine how much API the dev will have to support
[17:54] <snwh> just u1
[17:54] <snwh> or...
[17:54] <me4oslav> no picasa and stuff? That would be kinda dick-ish
[17:54] <snwh> they have shotwell for that
[17:55] <me4oslav> my point is - if we're extending we should extend it properly :)
[17:55] <me4oslav> _I believe_
[17:55] <snwh> thats not extension its just adding support for more than just text
[17:56] <snwh> heres a photo on the pinboard its synced to the other pinboard, but its not opened with pinboard
[17:56] <snwh> its still eog, shotwell, vlc, etc
[17:56] <snwh> but pinboard can open notes
[17:57] <me4oslav> so, just U1 at the beggining and if we add more services I will add off-going d'n'd UX and the dev will add the API stuff?
[17:58] <snwh> i wouldnt add more services.
[17:58] <snwh> or we could scrap the photos videos etc.
[17:58] <snwh> its a place to pin things you like
[17:58] <snwh> and pin notes
[17:59] <me4oslav> imagine what the users would think (on OMG) - omg guys, you just love Canonical only ... no other services, but Ubuntu One ...
[17:59] <snwh> you cant unsync from picasa
[17:59] <me4oslav> oh damn Picasa API ... ;s
[18:00] <snwh> i dont see us as a photo managment app
[18:00] <snwh> i think of it as a software pinboard haha
[18:00] <snwh> reciepts, notes, family photo, video links, webpages...
[18:00] <me4oslav> well, if the users don't get irky I don't care for anything, but UbuntuOne
[18:01] <snwh> we could do dropbox
[18:01] <snwh> no..
[18:01] <me4oslav> lets stick to Ubuntu for v1
[18:01] <snwh> i take that back
[18:01] <snwh> yes
[18:02] <snwh> in my head i see: app window: with a toolbar (like usc) and an interface with notes and photos and such
[18:03] <snwh> the user can drag and move around, stack
[18:03] <me4oslav> toolbar? what will be in it (we haven't though of that, we only did "desk space")
[18:03] <snwh> we could have no tool bar
[18:04] <me4oslav> toolbar would be good ... if we had no intearactivitiness
[18:04] <me4oslav> but we do
[18:05] <snwh> yea scrap the toolbar
[18:07] <me4oslav> kk, start ur mockup magic
[18:07] <snwh> will do
[18:08] <snwh> but first: need to get a shower
[18:08] <snwh> and a coffee
[18:11] <me4oslav> okey-dokey
[18:13] <mhall119> me4oslav: snwh: I appreciate all your brainstorming, but reading the backlog I'm concerned about the scope of your designs
[18:14] <mhall119> it seems you're planning a lot more than I was
[18:15] <me4oslav> mhall119 - yeah, we went *wild* the hard part will be the d'n'd the rest should be easy
[18:15] <mhall119> my physical metaphor is a roll of paper, like the thermal paper used in receipt printers, where I have one "roll" for something like my daily conversations with jono, and every day I pull up that "roll" and add more notes to it
[18:15] <mhall119> I'm not interested in pinning, photos, or dnd
[18:16] <mhall119> just a scrollable text note with timestamps that I can easily go to
[18:16] <me4oslav> You shouldn't have said that we have all the design freedom on G+ ... we just went giddy on power
[18:16] <mhall119> everything else sounds great, and probably somebody would want it, but it's not what I need
[18:17] <mhall119> you have the design power, but you still have to meet the client's needs, right? ;)
[18:18] <me4oslav> the developer skills :) The clients would hardly dislike what we have in mind, just worried it its code-able easy enough :)
[18:23] <markus__> hi guys: according to http://askubuntu.com/questions/162788/when-will-the-applications-submitted-to-the-ubuntu-app-showdown-be-available-for all apps of the ubuntu app showdown should be in the market. Mine isn't although it's bugfree; and got updates. I asked in "my apps" a month ago about any status and still no answer!
[18:24] <markus__> whom do I have to write / shout at; so that the app will get into software center?
[18:25] <markus__> it's now nearly 3months in review :/
[18:25] <me4oslav> markus__ I think you should talk to mhall119
[18:26] <markus__> another person who will ignore my app. Sry, but I'm quite disappointed; a friend and me did put 100hours of time and energy into the project, which we developed just for Ubuntu.
[18:27] <snwh> me4oslav mhall119 - yea we may have gotten a bit carried away with the idea.
[18:27] <me4oslav> snwh ... "A bit" ... huh ... a lot :D But _if_ its get real, it would be *rad*
[18:28] <snwh> me4oslav we can put it on the back burner and make the note app that mhall119 has in mind
[18:28] <me4oslav> snwh - or do both :P
[18:28] <me4oslav> :)
[18:29] <snwh> me4oslav I prefer concentrating at one thing time
[18:29] <me4oslav> I say we finish off Michael's first, then we do ours :)
[18:29] <snwh> agreed
[18:30] <snwh> mhall119, would the stack of notes be a better metaphor than a roll of notes? because i just picture a roll of (bank)notes with rubber band
[18:32] <snwh> actually the more i think about the reciept thing. i get what your saying
[18:34] <snwh> me4oslav - his app idea might be simple enough for me to code. haha
[18:35] <snwh> but ill leave it up to someone better.
[18:35] <me4oslav> snwh - :D That's the spirit ... screw code :P
[18:35] <snwh> me4oslav but i like code..
[18:36] <me4oslav> NO! xD
[18:36] <snwh> me4oslav I can still like it. i wont do it.
[18:37] <IDWMaster> Hi. Is there a "getting started" guide somewhere for GUI C++ apps?
[18:37] <IDWMaster> I do have experience with C++ on Windows, but would like to port some stuff to Ubuntu.
[18:39] <IDWMaster> The app I'm porting also makes use of cryptography by the way; AES to be specific. Should I be concerned about Endianess issues when porting or anything?
[18:44] <IDWMaster> Anyone here?
[19:11] <IDWMaster> Hi
[19:11] <IDWMaster> Connection went down earlier
[19:12] <IDWMaster> I have a library I would like to port to Linux and would like to know if there's a "getting started guide" for C++ development on Linux
[19:12] <IDWMaster> I'm already familiar with standard library functions and stuff, but would like to do GUI development
[19:24] <mhall119> IDWMaster: sorry, I don't know any C++
[19:24] <mhall119> you can probably find some general C++ on Linux tutorials
[19:24] <mhall119> I can point you at C++ examples for integrating with the Unity desktop, but I don't know any "getting started" kinds
[19:26] <IDWMaster> Samples for integrating with the XServer would be useful
[19:26] <IDWMaster> I don't want to make users run only Unity though
[19:26] <IDWMaster> What about users with KDE?
[19:27] <IDWMaster> I know on Windows you would use CreateWindow and such to create windows
[19:27] <IDWMaster> On Linux it seems like it's more specific to the individual desktop manageres
[19:27] <IDWMaster> *managers
[19:28] <mhall119> IDWMaster: generally you don't interface directly with X, you use a toolkit like Qt or Gtk instead, which does that for you
[19:29] <IDWMaster> OK
[19:29] <IDWMaster> So I should check out the docs for Gtk or similar library?
[19:29] <mhall119> yeah
[19:29] <IDWMaster> OK
[19:30] <IDWMaster> Aside from UI most of the stuff is porting nicely by the way
[19:30] <mhall119> Gtk is more oriented towards C, Qt is written in C++, but you can interchange them
[19:30] <IDWMaster> I've been able to just copy-paste a lot of code
[19:30] <IDWMaster> I'm used to C-oriented APIs
[19:30] <IDWMaster> I'm sure anything is better than Win32
[19:30] <mhall119> cool, yeah if you write standards-compliant code it'll be mostly portable
[19:30] <IDWMaster> Only thing that wasn't portable was the UI, cryptography, and some macros
[19:30] <IDWMaster> Visual Studio has non-standards-compliant macro support
[19:30] <mhall119> well it doesn't use hungarian notation, so that's a +1 in my opinion
[19:31] <IDWMaster> Hungarian notation?
[19:31] <mhall119> the letter in front of variables/classes identifying the type
[19:31] <mhall119> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation
[19:32] <IDWMaster> Ah
[19:32] <IDWMaster> I've written compilers/languages that used that before, but I didn't know it was called that until now
[19:33] <IDWMaster> Easier on the compiler that way
[19:33] <IDWMaster> Although now they've become so advanced it's not necessary anymore
[19:33] <mhall119> I doubt the compiler takes that into consideration
[19:33] <mhall119> it was more for the developer's benefit
[19:34] <IDWMaster> Ah
[19:34] <IDWMaster> I see
[19:34] <IDWMaster> I was thinking of
[19:34] <IDWMaster> long long somelong = Lliteral
[19:34] <IDWMaster> long long somelong = Lliteral;
[19:35] <IDWMaster> Prefixing the L before a literal to identify its type to the compiler
[19:36] <IDWMaster> I've written compilers where you would place a L, I, B, C, LL, D, or F before a literal value
[19:36] <mhall119> I've seen if after, where 1.0l means "a long integer of value 1.0"
[19:36] <mhall119> of 1.0f for a floating point
[19:37] <IDWMaster> Yeah. I've seen that too
[19:37] <IDWMaster> Putting it before makes it easier to write an actual parser though
[19:37] <IDWMaster> Because you know what the value is supposed to be by first reading the prefix before it, so then you know which appropriate value parser to use
[19:38] <IDWMaster> Is Endianness on Linux different than on Windows?
[19:40] <IDWMaster> Need to go now
[19:40] <IDWMaster> I'll be on here later!
[19:40] <mhall119> I thought endianness was arch specific
[19:40] <mhall119> ok
[19:40] <IDWMaster> Some OSs can switch though
[19:41] <mhall119> ah, I don't know the answer to that one, sorry
[19:41] <IDWMaster> A lot of CPUs have a "endianness mode switch"
[20:01] <me4oslav> mhall119 snwh - I will watch DrWho now and then we can talk about the simpler note reading app :)
[20:02] <mhall119> me4oslav: just don't talk about DrWho, it doesn't air here for another 5 hours
[20:02] <mhall119> snwh: your donation put us over 1500 pounds! Thanks so much!
[20:03] <me4oslav> mhall119 ha, I wont :P I will have to download it, through, UK proxies screw up even by 50 mbps net speed ...
[20:07] <snwh> mhall119 - my pleasure :)
[20:13] <snwh> me4oslav mhall119 - may or may not be around later for that discussion
[20:30] <cwayne> hello, anyone around?
[21:59] <cwayne> does anyone know what the standard timeout for unity search is?


[11:55] <neerad> fatal: http://github.com/ubports/android_bootable_recovery/info/refs not valid: is this a git repository?
[11:55] <neerad> Can anybody help me with this error
[12:13] <neerad> But there are no SDK build to run it?
[12:13] <mimecar> repository would be https://github.com/ubports/android_bootable_recovery
[12:14] <neerad> mimecar https://paste.kde.org/pttneglv3
[12:14] <neerad> Here is the manifest.xml
[12:20] <mimecar> what's the device you are using for?
[12:21] <neerad> Xiaomi Redmi 2(wt88047)
[12:21] <neerad> Supported CyanogenMod ver are cm-12.1,13.0,14.0 and 14.1
[12:24] <mimecar> it should compile if git repository use cyanogenmod boot
[12:25] <neerad> No mimecar I have not reached the compilation stage, it's just the downloading of CyanogenMod, Android and Ubuntu-touch sources is where it is failing
[12:31] <mimecar> Can you download source code og android bootable recovery?
[12:32] <neerad> mimecar yes i can , also I think this is a specific problem of bare repo
[12:38] <mimecar> then, you can download code for cyanogenmod reccovery and ubuntu touch
[12:38] <mimecar> and it fails when you mix both sources
[12:41] <neerad> mimecar If i want to download ubuntu-touch sources using repo init -u https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/p/aosp/platform/manifest.git -b phablet-5.1.1_r36
[12:41] <neerad> Is it correct to use this mimecar
[12:42] <mimecar> why don't you use git clone?
[12:43] <neerad> Becuase then I have to download 136 sources separately
[12:45] <mimecar> that commit is for mac toolchain
[12:45] <mimecar> it adds mac toolchain support
[13:35] <neerad> error: RPC failed; HTTP 502 curl 22 The requested URL returned error: 502 Proxy Error
[13:35] <neerad> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
[13:35] <neerad> error: RPC failed; HTTP 503 curl 22 The requested URL returned error: 503 Service Unavailable
[13:35] <neerad> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
[13:35] <neerad> fatal: cannot obtain manifest https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/p/aosp/platform/manifest.git


 I hae Geoclue Demo agent on my autostart... I read that it is a geolocation-helper service and may be needed by other programs. Does this come with Lubuntu or it has to be something I installed later? (Note: I don't have redshift or go-sct installed) : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/4dfdee5f/file_9933.jpg
 It commes installed by default in Lubuntu
 And I'm under the impression with many more distributions or at least something similar
 I believe it's needed for the time service and websites
 ok thanks
[14:46] <assfassst> yolo


[07:01] <anasp> how i can install ubuntu to alcatel onetouch idol ultra
[17:42] <yespeeyel> i have installed ubuntu 12.04 and running successfully using Apache 2.2.22 . Any possible  to upgrade the version 2.2.24 .
[17:42] <holstein> yespeeyel: there might be a PPA... you can always install whatever you want and manage updates yourself
[17:44] <yespeeyel> i have checked over the internet . i didn't getting any upgrade  repository on Apache 2.2.24.
[17:45] <yespeeyel>  holstein : i have checked over the internet . i didn't getting any upgrade  repository on Apache 2.2.24.
[18:13] <yespeeyel> any one hlep me on this . Any possible  to upgrade the version Apache 2.2.22 to 2.2.24?
[18:21] <holstein> yespeeyel: sure
[18:21] <holstein> yespeeyel: you can manually get what you want, and upgrade it
[18:21] <holstein> yespeeyel: the way updates work is, when they are available for the version of the operating system you are running, they come in.. automatically
[18:22] <holstein> there is no "apache repository".. just the main ubuntu one that gets the updates as they come in
[18:22] <holstein> will apache be automatically updated to 2.2.24? i have no idea
[18:23] <holstein> yespeeyel: i assume you searched for a PPA? and asked in the server channel?
[18:24] <holstein> yespeeyel: this is relevant http://askubuntu.com/questions/213695/upgrading-apache-to-2-2-23-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts