[00:47] <thismamacooks200> when I log onto another account's desktop, my music player goes silent. But if I'm running a noisy game, it is still heard. How can I make the music always play?
[12:24] <zzaza> hi all
[12:26] <zzaza> I was trying to install edubuntu classroom server to connect some clients as x-terminal, the installation went ok, but i cant configure the clients. i cant find the ltsf.conf file. am using the latest edubuntu.
[12:29] <nubae> zzaza: u have to create that file
[12:29] <nubae> it should be here: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[12:30] <nubae> and the first line should be [default]
[12:31] <zzaza> nubae: i didt creat that file, i last tried edubuntu version 7.10 all was striaght forward
[12:32] <zzaza> i did check in /var/lib/tftpboot  but there was no lts.conf file
[12:33] <nubae> I know...
[12:33] <nubae> u have to create it
[14:00] <nubae> ahhh damn Nick Kendall....
[16:16] <sbalneav> Morning all
[16:16] <nubae> hi sbalneav
[16:17] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav
[16:17] <nubae> I'm having a problem with pulseaudio...
[16:17] <nubae> I get a connection refused when it tries to connect to the pulse server
[16:18] <nubae> ah wait... forget it, just fixed it...
[16:18] <sbalneav> What was it?>
[16:19] <nubae> needed echo "default_driver=pulse" in .libao
[16:19] <nubae> wierd though, thats new for intrepid
[16:19] <nubae> cause hardy worked fine
[18:06] <nubae> hi Lns
[18:06] <Lns> hey nubae
[18:07] <nubae> after adding something to anacron in cron.hourly, does one need to reload cron?
[18:07] <Lns> nubae: Not if it works like regular old cron
[18:07] <Lns> the man page says itself that one of its features is that you don't need to reload it after editing configs
[18:08] <nubae> its weird, I've got a script that works fine if i execute it, and its in /etc/cron.hourly, but doesnt seem to get exectued
[18:08] <nubae> by cron
[18:08] <Lns> nubae: did you chmod +x it ?
[18:09] <nubae> yep
[18:09] <Lns> err
[18:09] <Lns> yeah it would if yo ucan yousefl ;)
[18:09] <Lns> ick..monday morning fingers
[18:09] <Lns> nubae: did you reload anacron or no?
[18:09] <nubae> I did that too, without much success :-)
[18:10] <nubae> it works if I make an entry with crontab -e, but I thought the point of cron.hourly is u drop the script in there to exectue every hour
[18:10] <Lns> it is
[18:10] <nubae> hmmm... then what am I missing
[18:10] <Lns> nubae: what does the script do?
[18:11] <nubae> awks users out of passwd, shadow and groups and puts into another file
[18:12] <Lns> ah
[18:12] <nubae> ah? u know whats wrong?
[18:12] <Lns> nubae: have you verified other scripts run in cron.hourly?
[18:12] <Lns> no, not yet ;)
[18:12] <nubae> there arent any
[18:12] <Lns> have you verified crontab has a stanza for cron.hourly runs?
[18:13] <nubae> and there is no /var/spool/anacron/cron.hourly
[18:13] <nubae> which I guess answers your question
[18:13] <Lns> hrmm... /me is an old style cron user
[18:14] <Lns> where everything is in /etc/crontab
[18:14] <nubae> well guess Im gonna have to do the same, I just thought this would be neater
[18:14] <Lns> sure, i mean it should work
[18:14] <Lns> is it stock anacron in hardy?
[18:15] <nubae> 17 *    * * *   root    cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly --- that should execute anacron
[18:15] <Lns> oh ok we're talking about different beasts here
[18:15] <Lns> yep
[18:15] <nubae> but it doesn!
[18:15] <Lns> nubae: did you try running "run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly" manually on a shell, and/or examining logs?
[18:15] <Lns> (as root)
[18:16] <nubae> no thats an idea, let me try that
[18:17] <nubae> yep works
[18:17] <nubae> sigh... this makes no sense
[18:19] <Lns> hrm
[18:19] <Lns> look in your cron logs
[18:21] <Lns> nubae: FYI AFAIK there's anacron, then cron. they're 2 different things, and both installed by default
[18:21] <Lns> make sure you're running the right one
[18:21] <nubae> anacron does cron.hourly, cron.daily, etc as I understand it
[18:22] <nubae> and cron does /etc/crontab
[18:22] <nubae> or am I missing something?
[18:23] <Lns> nubae: anacron uses /etc/anacrontab
[18:23] <nubae> well doh no wonder... there is no hourly in there :-)
[18:23] <nubae> how silly is that
[18:23] <Lns> ;)
[18:24] <nubae> its supposed to replace cron but has no cron.hourly
[18:24] <nubae> at least got to the bottom of it, thanks Lns
[18:24] <Lns> np
[18:24] <Lns> yeah what's weird is that i have a different line in /etc/crontab for hourly
[18:25] <nubae> with cd / && in the front?
[18:25] <Lns> yeah
[18:25] <nubae> yeah took that out =)
[18:25] <Lns> and why does both crontab and anacrontab have day/week/month stanzas?
[18:27] <nubae> it should be one or the other
[18:27] <nubae> its very confusing
[18:27] <Lns> yeah...
[18:27] <nubae> I really thought cron.hourly was run by cron, but its not, its run by anacron and isnt in the anacrontab
[18:28] <Lns> well it looks like it's supposed to, with "17 *    * * *   root    cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly" in crontab
[18:29] <nubae> yes but without the corresponding line in cron.hourly in anacron, its not being spooled it looks like
[18:30] <Lns> nubae: looks like it works for me... Oct  6 10:17:01 Fibonacci /USR/SBIN/CRON[15189]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
[18:31] <Lns> I have nothing in cron.hourly though so i haven't tested
[18:31] <nubae> yeah its annoying cause its working for me too
[18:31] <Lns> nubae: are you using a sane shell descriptor at the top of your script?
[18:31] <nubae> yes
[18:32] <nubae> gtonna test with another script
[18:32] <Lns> hrm..actually running it manually didn't work for me
[18:32] <Lns> oh wait
[18:33] <Lns> hmmmmmmmmm
[18:34] <Lns> yeah it's not working for me either (running run-parts manually)
[18:34] <nubae> so crontab pretends to do its job
[18:35] <Lns> yeah
[18:35] <Lns> and even reports to syslog
[18:35] <nubae> cron executes cron.hourly, but then it stops... so I guess cron.hourly triggers anacron?
[18:35] <nubae> is that possible?
[18:35] <Lns> not sure
[18:35] <nubae> because its only hourly not working
[18:35] <Lns> its just a dir...i can't see how
[18:35] <nubae> tried with a real simple test... touch itworks.txt
[18:36] <nubae> nada...
[18:36] <Lns> yeah me too
[18:36] <Lns> only if you i wonder why crontab has a different style execution for .hourly
[18:36] <Lns> taking out the test anacron
[18:38] <nubae> yeah what does that do, test anacron?
[18:38] <Lns> tests to see if anacron exists
[18:38] <Lns> but to me it almost looks like run-parts is broken
[18:39] <Lns> run-parts --list /etc/cron.hourly/ doesn't result in any scripts being returned, although i do have one in there and it's chmod +x'd
[18:39] <nubae> well, lets try a daily one... by setting the clock to a minute after or so...
[18:42] <nubae> no work either
[18:42] <nubae> ure right run-parts must be broken
[18:42] <nubae> that means all the scripts that are in there are not being executed
[18:42] <nubae> lol
[18:42] <nubae> thats a pretty serious bug
[18:42] <Lns> well i'd hope others would notice too
[18:42] <Lns> we could be doing something wrong
[18:44] <nubae> yeah like what? ever document Ive read and every wiki points to simply putting the script in .hourly or .daily or whatever, + there are scripts in there already and they're not being executed
[18:44] <Lns> nubae: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5677105
[18:44] <nubae> its a mystery
[18:45] <nubae> that would mean that by default everyones crons are broken
[18:45] <Lns> i sure would hope that isn't the case
[18:45] <Lns> thats *buntu, not just edu (i'm using ubuntu)
[18:46] <nubae> me too
[18:47] <nubae> so how do we verify that, I guess if a reinstall fixes it, then that is verification
[18:48] <Lns> guess so.. ?
[18:49] <nubae> sudo apt-get reinstall cron anacron --- that does not work
[18:50] <Lns> --reinstall
[18:50] <nubae> yeah the www doc is wrong
[18:52] <nubae> nah that doesnt work
[18:53] <Lns> nubae: apt-get --reinstall install cron anacron
[18:53] <nubae> yeah I know, I mean that didnt fix the problem
[18:55] <Lns> ah
[18:56] <Lns> not sure...very eerie though
[18:57] <nubae> its run parts thats broken, cause putting into crontab normally works
[18:58] <Lns> hold on a sec
[18:58] <nubae> just dont want to put a bug report up, unless I'm absolutely certain :D
[18:59] <Lns> AH!
[18:59] <Lns> you have an extension  ( .sh ?) on your script, no?
[18:59] <Lns> run-parts works when you remove all script extensions
[19:00] <nubae> no
[19:00] <nubae> :-)
[19:00] <nubae> no .sh, I read about that
[19:01] <Lns> well that fixed it for me =)
[19:01] <Lns> are you using /bin/sh as your shell in the script?
[19:01] <Lns> have you 'set -e' in it at the top?
[19:01] <nubae> wait Ive still got the cd / && missing, let me put it back
[19:02] <nubae> set -e ?
[19:03] <Lns> i believe that sets the environment
[19:03] <nubae> ok, lets see if that does it for me
[19:04] <nubae> yep :-)
[19:04] <nubae> thanks
[19:04] <Lns> shit, that was right at the top of the run-parts manpage too
[19:04] <nubae> that only took half a day
[19:04] <Lns>  If  neither  the --lsbsysinit option nor the --regex option is given then the names must consist entirely of upper
[19:04] <Lns>        and lower case letters, digits, underscores, and hyphens.
[19:05] <Lns> so the 'set -e' did it for you, eh?
[19:05] <nubae> yep
[19:05] <Lns> damn anal cron ;)
[19:05] <nubae> nowhere was that mentioned
[19:06] <nubae> think I'll add an entry to my blog about this wonderful cron experience
[19:06] <Lns> lol..nice
[19:06] <nubae> god, feel like I was banging my head against a wall
[19:07] <Lns> cron (moreso run-parts) should REALLY be more forgiving
[19:08] <Lns> of course i'm sure there's a very good reason for its behavior, I'm just not seeing it
[19:08] <nubae> I had #!bin/sh there
[19:08] <nubae> jsut not the env
[19:08] <nubae> gonna check the other scripts
[19:09] <Lns> default ones normally have it - that's where i got it from i think
[19:09] <nubae> well apt has it disabled
[19:09] <Lns> "set -e" terminates the shell if any command returns a non-zero status
[19:10] <nubae> check yours... cron.daily/apt
[19:17] <Lns> yep
[19:17] <Lns> doesn't have it
[19:17] <Lns> (commented out)
[19:18] <nubae> so wtf?
[19:19] <Lns> not sure..maybe not every script requires it
[19:20] <nubae> yeah, guess I should just be glad it works now :D
[19:20] <Lns> yeah but understanding it would be nice too =)
[21:01] <Lns> SO... regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/269188 - the people in #ubuntu-mozillateam seem to think that getting this patch into the beta Intrepid is even a longshot. Any thoughts, since it affects *buntu LTSP setups on a critical level?
[21:03] <nubae1> Lns: The school I was working at before also mentioned extreme firefox slowness
[21:03] <Lns> nubae1: I don't doubt it
[21:05] <Lns> It seems like it would be critical to any Ubuntu LTSP setups with > 3 thin-clients (and nobody at the server feeding it mouse/keyboard entropy for everyone else)
[21:05] <Lns> I'm just really scared that people aren't even going to look as far as Launchpad when installing *buntu LTSP and will just walk away since Firefox is broken
[21:05] <Lns> And if it's really THAT hard to get a patch pushed into Hardy (even in -proposed)... what's the use?
[21:06] <nubae1> I'll add my 2 cents to the bug list and shout a bit ;-)
[21:06] <sbalneav> Lns: Any reason given?
[21:06] <Lns> heh...thanks nubae1 it'll be nice to have someone else's whining in there ;)
[21:07] <Lns> sbalneav: 'fta' in #ubuntu-mozillateam says "we could take it in nspr, but it's a bit late in this cycle.. and we have the de-sonamization still under discussion blocking both nspr and nss"
[21:08] <Lns> I don't know what "nspr", "nss" or "de-sonamization" means...
[21:08] <nubae1> hehe
[21:09] <sbalneav> Nubae: Section on "hardware", talking about hubs, switches, etc...
[21:09] <sbalneav> You want them converted to sect3's, or maybe a bulletlist.
[21:09] <sbalneav> Oh, btw, gimme 2 seconds, I'll push up my branch
[21:11] <Nubae> ok... whatever u think looks best, I set them up as sect3s, but obviously openoffice killed that
[21:14] <sbalneav> Crumb.  Can I delete a branch on launchpad?
[21:14]  * sbalneav thinks he'll never get used to LP
[21:22]  * Lns watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyEl3w7SFK4
[21:24] <Nubae> heh, I was watching that the other day
[21:25] <Nubae> I opted for printouts in the end
[21:28] <Lns> ;)
[21:32] <Nubae> Lns: does your triage fix the issue totally?
[21:32] <Lns> Nubae: I don't know, but I'm assuming so. I haven't tested it (I don't know how to build packages/PPA it for use in my environment)
[21:32] <Lns> That's why i'm learning about MOTU...
[21:33] <Lns> I know that through all my troubleshooting, it was determined that /dev/random was sucking up all the entropy, especially when creating new user profiles in Firefox, and /dev/urandom would be a better choice since it doesn't block requests when entropy runs out
[21:33] <Lns> I have a hack-ish patch that would work for testing
[21:34] <Lns> but not the same patch..it would, however, prove that using /dev/urandom would fix the bug
[21:35] <sbalneav> \o/
[21:35] <sbalneav> got it
[21:35] <sbalneav> Nubae: OK, check out lp:~sbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-docs-sbalneav
[21:36] <sbalneav> There's a LOT more work needing to be done, I'll work on it tonight, but at least I've got all of it in book form, with all the proper entities.
[21:36] <sbalneav> OO.o's inserted some weeeiiird characters here and there, I have to hose them
[21:37] <Lns> Nubae: download http://logicalnetworking.net/other/urandomize.tar.bz2 if you want to test it - you need to compile urandomize.so and then load it so calls to /dev/random get pushed to /dev/urandom instead (see README)
[21:37] <sbalneav> plus, all of the screencap stuff like ps listings etc. has to be converted back into <screen></screen> entities, so that's left to do
[21:37] <Nubae> ok, if there is anything I can do, sbalneav, let me know
[21:37] <Nubae> although I fear I've already done too much ;-p
[21:38] <sbalneav> sh*t happens, we deal :)
[21:39] <sbalneav> content's more important, so if content's been added, I'm happy to do whatever reformatting to get it into shape.
[21:40] <Nubae> does read ok?
[21:40] <sbalneav> So far, the content's fine with me.  I'm assuming you spell checked it?
[21:41] <Nubae> yeah, the one good thing about open office :D
[21:43] <sbalneav> Hmm
[21:43] <sbalneav> Quanta for KDE looks like a promising docbook editor.
[21:45] <Nubae> wont mess up formatting? guess I can compare against vi
[21:48] <sbalneav> I'm installing it now.
[21:49] <sbalneav> Ah, by the way, for spell checking an XML document, you can use aspell -H check <document>
[21:49] <sbalneav> and aspell's smart enough to ignore all the XML tags
[21:49] <Nubae> ah good to know


[01:22] <tonyyarusso> Pici: how do you put joins/parts in another window?
[01:24] <Pici> tonyyarusso: http://wouter.coekaerts.be/site/irssi/wclf
[01:24] <Pici> Explains it better than I can.
[01:24] <tonyyarusso> neat
[01:28] <jmillionator> roar, pricey!
[01:28] <LjL> ahum
[01:29] <LjL> did i set any weird modes in #ubuntu and not noticed?
[01:29] <LjL> nobody's been talking for... longer than usual
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> Was wondering the same thing
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> 10 solid minutes now
[01:29] <jmillionator> feature.
[01:29] <PriceChild> its quiet....
[01:29] <Pici> break the silence then...
[01:29] <jmillionator> someone name a body part!
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> Pici: none of us want to ;)
[01:29] <Pici> I know ;)
[01:30] <PriceChild> /mode #ubuntu's to be sure
[01:30] <Pici> I saw it.
[01:30] <PriceChild> awwww :(
[01:30] <LjL> PriceChild: yeah, i did that twice... :P
[01:31] <jmillionator> +ola :)
[01:32] <LjL> jmillionator: so right
[01:33] <LjL> (well you aren't there, but there's just been a hola)
[01:33] <LjL> with h though
[01:33] <Pici> jmillionator: I stifled a laugh here in class because of that...
[01:33] <jmillionator> lol :)
[01:33] <tonyyarusso> LjL: bah
[01:33] <tonyyarusso> :P
[01:34] <LjL> all my fault, i know
[01:34] <LjL> and the woodchucks
[03:26] <mneptok> jmillionator: could you PLEASE pick a nick and stick with it for > 10 minutes?
[03:54] <jmillionator> lol :)
[03:54] <jmillionator> I like changing it up once in a while
[03:54] <jmillionator> speaking of which.... I want a new one...
[03:55] <jmillionator> can you unlink a name without switching to it?
[03:55] <jmillionator> oh yes
[03:55] <the_dong> whoo
[03:56] <the_dong> behold! the_dong
[03:56] <the_dong> oh Pricey would love this one
[03:59] <Pici> sometimes a cigar is just a cigar
[03:59] <the_dong> so, how's your day been, nalioth? :)
[04:00] <mneptok> the_dong: i wasn't joking
[04:00] <the_dong> it's once per week max...
[04:00] <mneptok> the_dong: if you want to be recognized as a community person, stop changing names with the wind.
[04:01] <the_dong> alright, I'll cut down on my names :)
[04:01] <nalioth> and since we're on the subject, one should choose nicks that don't mean 'other things'
[04:01] <the_dong> it wasn't meant to have that connotation...
[04:01] <nalioth> but if nobody knows who you are, that is exactly the first thing that is thought
[04:02] <jdong> back to normal
[04:02] <mneptok> thank you.
[04:02] <jdong> sure thing
[04:04] <Pici> Normal is a relative term...
[04:05] <nalioth> especially when mneptok is using the term (but he still has a point)
[04:06] <jdong> point taken.
[04:11] <mneptok> i used the term "normal?"
[04:11] <mneptok> DID NOT!!
[04:15] <jdong> lol
[07:06] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: the bleeping pastebin is claiming I'm a spammer again (yes, JS is on)
[08:07] <Madpilot> @now London
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[09:46] <jon__> Hello can somebody help me
[09:51] <jon__> can somebody help me?
[09:57] <Madpilot> iownyou, ?
[12:48] <ubotu> Agent_bob called the ops in #kubuntu
[01:07] <ikonia> can someone please keep a trak on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as he is a time wasting person who trys to get ubuntu to support non-ubuntu issues by telling lies
[01:07] <mc44> er, also see cirkit in -devel
[01:12] <ikonia> ok he's back in #ubuntu now under the nick DAMIANL
[01:13] <rob> has he been banned yet?
[01:13] <ikonia>  DAMIANL> ill just change my nick and ip if im banned
[01:13] <ikonia> nope
[01:13] <ikonia> but he's trying
[01:14] <Pici> I asked cirkit to join here, lets see if he actually does...
[01:14] <Gary> ikonia, best to not answer him now
[01:14] <rob> ikonia, just let him go now, I will keep an eye on him
[01:14] <ikonia> he ignored
[01:14] <rob> yup, suspected as much
[01:15] <ikonia> just worth pointing out, he's "hi guys I need help with ubuntu" then he later admits he's not running ubuntu and doing other stuff and just wanted help
[01:16] <ikonia> then gets all rude and offensive when he's caught out
[01:16] <rob> yup, we get them from time to time
[01:16] <ikonia> he left, hence why I said "keep an eye out for" then 10 minutes later came back as his current nick
[01:22] <ikonia> rob any time your ready ;)
[01:22] <rob> I'm looking, he hasn't done anything wrong thus far
[01:24] <ikonia> stegf alrady did it; )
[01:24] <rob> did what?
[01:25] <ikonia> muted him
[01:25] <ikonia> banned
[01:25] <rob> he just quit, so let me know if he comes back to #ubuntu
[01:25] <rob> nah that was me, check your scrollback
[01:25] <ikonia> yeah he was banned
[01:25] <ikonia> was it
[01:25] <ikonia> sorry
[01:26] <ikonia> scrolled quick
[01:27] <Pici> +b %*!*@* = muted
[01:28] <ikonia> Pici: happened quick, missed part of it
[01:28] <rob> or just +q
[01:28] <Pici> well, yes.
[01:28] <ikonia> is damianl the same guy ?
[01:28] <rob> was, I klined him
[01:28] <ikonia> just seen it
[01:28] <ikonia> sorry, I'm lagging
[01:29] <Gary> lol, cheers rob
[01:29] <rob> :) np
[01:30] <ikonia> he's back as dn4
[01:30] <ikonia> no he's not
[01:30] <ikonia> sorry
[01:31] <rob> hmm kbrooks is around though
[01:59] <dinamizador> hello
[01:59] <Pici> WOW!! English!!
[02:54] <PriceChild> yoman_, can i help?
[03:23] <ikonia> is there any freenode staff around, or ubuntu ops awake as stats p is borked on irssis
[03:23] <Pici> From what I understand, stats p is not an accurate statistic of how many staff are around.
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: what's the subject of the inquiry?
[03:24] <ikonia> there is a use in #ubuntu #Out constantly track to ask people who to hack machines, sniff ssh passwords etc etc etc, and looking for channels to discuss breaking into systems
[03:24] <ikonia> in #ubuntu called "out" that should read
[03:24] <ikonia> he keeps going on about where to discuss and learn
[03:26] <nalioth> not a staff problem, ikonia
[03:26] <ikonia> I thought "illegal" stuff was staff
[03:26] <ikonia> apologies
[03:26] <nalioth> 'hacking' isn't illegal (in fact, it's how we got linux in the first place"
[03:26] <nalioth> bleh
[03:27] <nalioth> it is, however, off topic in #ubuntu
[03:27] <jdong> I don't think it's appropriate to discuss techniques of intrusion in ubuntu channels though
[03:27] <ikonia> nalioth asking to be taught how to crack peoples passwords and sniff ssh connections stuck me as breaking the freenode rules
[03:27] <ikonia> hence why I asked for staff, my bad
[03:27] <ikonia> sorry
[03:46] <ikonia> < OuT> ssh cia.gov ahahahha ;)
[03:46] <ikonia> still going on abou tit
[03:46] <ikonia> it
[03:46] <Pici> not anymore
[03:47] <mc44> jrib: zomg he's gonna hack u nows
[03:47] <ikonia> jrbi was too quick
[03:47] <jdong> gasp, cia.gov doesn't listen on ssh?
[03:47] <jdong> lol
[03:48] <Pici> jdong: They're probably listening on telnet...
[03:48] <jdong> probably not a good idea to nmap em....
[03:49] <mc44> jdong: unless you fancy a holiday in cuba
[03:49] <jdong> I love vacations ;-)
[03:50] <mc44> this one may involve torture via looped Barney the Dinosaur ;)
[03:51] <jdong> sounds like babysitting my sister :)
[05:20] <jussi01> could someone tell me how to give a reason when you kick/ban someone?
[05:21] <LjL> jussi01: /kick nickname reason   /remove #channel nickname :reason
[05:21] <jussi01> LjL: thanks a lot!! :)
[05:21] <LjL> but then who says there has to be a reason
[05:21] <jussi01> hehee...
[05:22] <jussi01> so what does /remove do? is that a ban?
[05:22] <LjL> no, it's a weird form of kick that's commonly used on freenode
[05:22] <jussi01> oh...ok
[05:23] <jdong> what's the difference between kick and remove, exactly?
[05:23] <LjL> it makes the user's IRC client believe he just parted instead of being kicked
[05:23] <jussi01> hehe
[05:24] <jussi01> nice
[05:24] <jussi01> and banning?
[05:24] <Pici> hehe
[05:24] <LjL>  /mode #channel +b nickmask!identmask@hostmask
[05:24] <jdong> interesting....
[05:24] <LjL> of, with most clients, just /ban nickname
[05:25] <jdong> so does it defeat autorejoin or something?
[05:25] <LjL> s/of/or/
[05:25] <LjL> the kicking always has to be done separately
[05:25] <LjL> jdong: yeah basically that's why it exists as far as i can think
[05:25] <jdong> ah, ok
[05:25] <jussi01> ahh, thats nice
[05:25] <jdong> of course probably a lot of those autorejoin scripts have made workarounds for /remove...
[05:26] <Pici> Plus it doesnt add an extra entry in the bantracker if you ban them too
[05:26] <LjL> not many yet, i think
[05:26] <LjL> *some* have
[05:26] <LjL> Pici: it doesn't? that must be a new feature though
[05:26] <Pici> I dont think it does... I couldnt be wrong
[05:26] <nalioth> jussi01: /remove may not work
[05:26] <LjL> well, something like that has been considered for a while
[05:27] <LjL> hm?
[05:27] <nalioth> it's a freenode only command (that i'm aware of)
[05:27] <jussi01> nalioth: why so?
[05:27] <LjL> ah
[05:27] <LjL> hola!
[05:27] <Pici> Aloha!
[05:27] <nalioth> jussi01: the actual command is /quote remove #channel NICK :reason
[05:27] <jussi01> nalioth: I dont operate on other networks..
[05:27] <jussi01> :)
[05:27] <LjL> ah well yes, not all clients will take straight /remove that's true
[05:27] <jussi01> nalioth: ahhh...nice
[05:27] <Pici> There was an english speaker for 83.230 earlier... but they just said Hello and quit.
[05:27] <nalioth> jussi01: many folks alias all that to /remove (and forget who they're talking to, or where they are)
[05:28] <jussi01> nalioth: cool. thanks
[05:28] <LjL>  /remove-last-person-who-highlighted-me
[05:28] <jussi01> lol
[05:28] <jdong> that's pretty cool
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Seveas: ping
[05:30] <jussi01> and i assume you can just use /unban also?
[05:30] <jussi01> hello Hobbsee!
[05:30] <nalioth> jussi01: no. a ban != a quiet
[05:30] <LjL>  /names ; /exec -o echo /kick cut -f `/dev/urandom` channel.log
[05:31] <Daviey> owww i like that
[05:31] <Hobbsee> how does one get the bug adding the bugtracker stuff on a certain channel to ubotu?
[05:31] <LjL> jussi01: yes but you normally need to fill in the whole hostmask for that, a nick is not enough
[05:31] <jussi01> LjL: oh. ok then
[05:31] <nalioth>   /unban will not work for a quiet
[05:31] <Pici> Hobbsee: Thats the one part of the ubotu code that I havent looked at.
[05:31] <LjL> most clients will have a window that lists all bans, somewhere
[05:31] <Daviey> LjL: might also be a good idea to stop it /kick' yourself :)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> i suspect one needs to be an admin to enable it
[05:32] <LjL> nalioth: well if you put in the hostmask right, it should
[05:32] <LjL> Daviey: that wouldn't be fair
[05:32] <nalioth> LjL: we are 'teaching' here.  do not assume prior knowledge
[05:33] <LjL> nalioth: well but for that matter, /unban will not even work for bans i suspect, if you don't put the full hostmask in
[05:33] <jdong> nalioth: speaking of /unban, why doesn't it work for a % ban?
[05:33] <LjL> meh, that's all my client can do with /ban :)
[05:33] <jdong> IMO irssi's /unban is really weak :(
[05:33] <nalioth> jdong: because %bans are freenode specific, to my knowledge
[05:33] <jdong> nalioth: ah ok, I guess Seveas has spoiled me with chanserv.py
[05:34] <LjL> ah, i have /ban -domain
[05:34] <LjL> except the /unban version isn't there
[05:37] <jussi01> Hobbsee:  @config channel #ubuntustudio plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer True
[05:38] <Hobbsee> [01:38]  <ubotu> Error: You don't have the #ubuntu-testing,op capability.
[05:38] <Hobbsee> jussi01: need to be an admin.  damn
[05:38] <jussi01> Hobbsee: sorry... that I cant help with... :(
[05:39] <Pici> I thought Seveas already turned the bugsnarfer on for studio...
[05:40] <jussi01> Pici: he did... Hobbsee wants #ubuntu-testing
[06:01] <Pici> LjL: I think the rootirc factoid should remove the sudo reference...
[06:02] <LjL> Pici: uhm, think they'll think it means they should irc with sudo?
[06:02] <Pici> Quite likely.
[06:03] <LjL> !no rootirc is <reply> It's not technically our business, but we'd like to tell you that IRC'ing as root is a Very Bad Idea (tm). After all, doing anything as root when root is not needed is bad.
[06:03] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[06:06] <PriceChild> Pici++
[06:07] <Pici> Who what?
[06:07] <PriceChild> I agree :)
[06:08] <LjL> !rootirc
[06:08] <ubotu> It's not technically our business, but we'd like to tell you that IRC'ing as root is a Very Bad Idea (tm). After all, doing anything as root when root is not needed is bad, and especially bad with software that connects to the Internet.
[06:08] <Pici> ljl is my mother?
[06:08] <LjL> !b | Pici
[06:08] <ubotu> Pici: b is an IRC mode that you don't want on your hostname.
[06:08] <Pici> ;p
[06:14] <jprieto> hola
[06:14] <LjL> jprieto: hola
[06:14] <Pici> aloha
[06:14] <jprieto> hola
[06:21] <mneptok> olaaaaaaaaa
[06:21] <mneptok> oh la
[06:21] <mneptok> oh? la?
[06:21] <mneptok> oh! la!
[06:21] <mc44> oooooo  oooh la la la
[07:00] <santi> santi
[07:00] <LjL> ljl
[07:05] <fernandotorres> 4333
[07:05] <fernandotorres> KOOOOOOOOOOO
[07:05] <fernandotorres> OOOO
[07:05] <fernandotorres> I9
[07:05] <fernandotorres> UI
[07:07] <Pici> Ah.  I see.
[07:08] <Pici> Greetings.
[07:15] <francis> ola
[07:16] <jdong> k tal?
[07:16] <jdong> too late
[07:22] <LjL> join ##metabot and tell me if i'm allowed to redirect 83.230 to there :P
[07:23] <jdong> wait is that an auto-kliner?
[07:23] <jdong> I'm not falling for that again!
[07:23] <LjL> jdong, no :)
[07:24] <LjL> i *think* i'd get klined if i did that
[07:24] <jdong> hehe
[07:24] <jdong> what's the reason behind those auto-kline channels?
[07:24] <jdong> they do exist right?
[07:24] <LjL> who knows
[07:24] <LjL> i mean, "of course not"
[07:24] <LjL> as staff would say
[07:24] <jdong> rofl
[07:24] <mneptok> that seems harsh.
[07:33] <sacata> ola
[07:34] <LjL> guten tag
[07:34] <Pici> shalom
[07:41] <si> ola
[07:42] <LjL> uhm interesting, they don't follow redirects parently
[07:42] <Pici> Thats because it didnt try to rejoin
[07:42] <LjL> and the version reply still claims xchat on ubuntu
[07:43] <LjL> ah it doesn't by default? thought it did, everybody i know using xchat autorejoins :P
[07:43] <Pici> Have they all been xchat on Ubuntu?
[07:43] <LjL> no idea
[07:43] <LjL> most of the times i cann
[07:43] <bmose> ola
[07:43] <LjL> not do a VERSION in time
[07:44] <LjL> but this one does, too
[07:44] <LjL> ola
[07:44] <bmose> abla en espaol
[07:44] <LjL> un poquito
[07:44] <LjL> o es un ordre?
[07:44] <bmose> kien eres?
[07:44] <LjL> soy LjL
[07:44] <LjL> no sabes quien es LjL?
[07:45] <bmose> keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?
[07:45] <bmose> noooooooooo
[07:45] <LjL> bien no importa
[07:45] <LjL> utilizas ubuntu?
[07:45] <bmose> no
[07:45] <LjL> no?
[07:46] <bmose> como te llamas
[07:46] <LjL> sino por que tu programa de IRC dice que estas utilizando xchat en ubuntu?
[07:46] <avelo> hola
[07:46] <LjL> me llamo LjL, lo ves
[07:46] <avelo> kien eres?
[07:46] <bmose> si
[07:46] <LjL> ya me lo has preguntao
[07:46] <avelo> no yo soy otra nia
[07:47] <LjL> verdad?
[07:47] <avelo> pero en el chat sale todo junto
[07:47] <LjL> y como sabes qui el OLTRO ya me lo pregunt?!
[07:47] <avelo> xk estoy en el guadalinfo con la nia
[07:47] <bmose> k dices
[07:47] <avelo> k es mi amiga belen
[07:47] <LjL> ah bueno
[07:47] <avelo> entonces kien eres?
[07:47] <LjL> as voy a banarvos todos juntos
[07:48] <avelo> hola
[07:48] <avelo> de nuevo belen
[07:48] <Pici> So?
[07:49] <LjL> so, more and more convinced they're trolls
[07:49] <LjL> when you actually start talking to them, "magically" another one of them joins
[07:49] <LjL> unless they part immediately
[07:49] <eea> MKLKLJK
[07:49] <LjL> this one has another IP, though
[07:49] <eea> JK+
[07:49] <eea> IO
[07:49] <eea> IO+OP
[07:49] <eea> '
[07:49] <LjL> eea: que dices?
[07:49] <eea> NADA
[07:49] <LjL> eea: creo que to teclado sea roto
[07:50] <eea> AWR
[07:50] <eea> YMLO+
[07:50] <eea><PHONE_NUMBER>9999999999999999999999999C
[07:50] <eea> TYYYYYYY
[07:50] <eea> TY
[07:50] <eea> TYJU
[07:50] <eea> TYJU
[07:50] <eea> TYJ
[07:50] <eea> TYTYJ
[07:50] <eea> TJYU
[07:50] <eea> YJ
[07:50] <jdong> does that get slightly irksome for you guys?
[07:50] <LjL> jdong: i find it plenty fun
[07:50] <jussi01> wow... that was slightly more than ola
[07:50] <jdong> lol, that last one was quite entertaining
[07:50] <Pici> Thats because LjL pissed them off
[07:51] <LjL> me? i just told him i thought maybe his keyboard was broken
[07:51] <LjL> was trying to do him a favor
[07:51] <jdong> :)
[07:51] <Pumpernickel> ^^
[07:51] <jdong> /kick => keyboard broken
[07:52] <LjL> =)
[07:53] <LjL> don't be bad to bots, for bots can be bad to you
[07:53] <jussi01> does anyone know how to tame bots?
[07:53] <LjL> i don't know what the word 'tame' itself means
[07:54] <jdong> I think it's a Theora encoder....
[07:54] <jussi01> lol
[07:55] <jussi01> tame=make it listen to me
[07:55] <jdong> jussi01: I'm in ur ubotu taming ur factoids?
[07:55] <LjL> it listens, it just won't bother doing it
[07:55] <jussi01> lol
[07:55] <jussi01> LjL: lol
[07:55] <jussi01> well if someone feels like it.... #dib5sn
[07:56] <jussi01> lol
[07:58] <jussi01> its annoying - it wond even recognise addhostmask :(
[07:58] <LjL> jussi01: only if you join ##metabot
[08:25] <PriceChild> yoman_, can i help?
[08:28] <Pici> He'll be back...
[09:17] <LjL> yoman_, speak or leave
[09:34] <gnomefreak> LjL: good luck with that
[09:34] <gnomefreak> :)
[09:34] <gnomefreak> he will return
[09:34] <gnomefreak> always does
[09:52] <PriceChild> might have incoming...
[09:52] <PriceChild> "davy_jones"
[09:52] <Davy_Jones> hi all
[09:52] <Davy_Jones> i want to to contest a ban
[09:53] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, one moment, let us review the logs.
[09:53] <PriceChild> ping Pici
[09:56] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, do you know why you were banned?
[09:56] <Davy_Jones> i think
[09:57] <Davy_Jones> so?
[09:58] <PriceChild> So why do you think you were banned Davy_Jones?
[09:59] <ompaul> Davy_Jones, so when did this ban happen and from what channel?
[09:59] <Davy_Jones> because i said bad things
[09:59] <PriceChild> ompaul, i've got it on the ban tracker
[09:59] <Davy_Jones> from #ubuntu-offtopic about 2 months ago
[09:59] <ompaul> ahh
[10:00] <Davy_Jones> PriceChild: so what should i do to contest the ban?
[10:00] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, patience, let ompa.ul read up on logs
[10:01] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, have you read the ubuntu-irc guidelines?
[10:01] <PriceChild> and it as 1 month ago, not 2
[10:02] <Davy_Jones> no, but i'm pretty sure i can get banned from any channel by saying that
[10:02] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, have you read the ubuntu-irc guidelines?
[10:02] <Davy_Jones> PriceChild: no
[10:03] <ompaul> !guidlines
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about guidlines - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:03] <Davy_Jones> PriceChild: where can i get the link?
[10:03] <ompaul> !guidelines
[10:03] <PriceChild> !guidelines
[10:03] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:03] <ompaul> gotcha :)
[10:03] <ompaul> with a full on typo as well ;-)
[10:03] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, go read those, get them in your head and then say when done please :)
[10:03] <PriceChild> ompaul, not on my screen ;)
[10:03] <ompaul> PriceChild, I pity your lag
[10:04] <Davy_Jones> PriceChild: ok
[10:06] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, i'm pretty sure the "ubuntu code of conduct" is linked to in there, but just to reinforce it, please also read http://ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[10:11] <Davy_Jones> PriceChild: but that's too perfect.. people get anger emotions sometimes
[10:12] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, and its at those times, that you should realise this is just the internet...
[10:12] <PriceChild> It really isn't ever worth getting annoyed at random people half way across the world during discussions that happen in -offtopic
[10:12] <Davy_Jones> i see
[10:13] <Davy_Jones> ok, i skimmed through the code of conduct
[10:13] <Davy_Jones> PriceChild: am i set?
[10:15] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, the important bit is do you agree to abide by them?
[10:15] <Davy_Jones> PriceChild: i'll try my best
[10:15] <ompaul> can't ask for more than that, remember better to walk away than get into a row
[10:16] <mc44> er...
[10:16] <ompaul> mc44, WHAT NOW!
[10:16] <ompaul> :P
[10:16] <mc44> unless you know, he's been banned, repeatedly, over and over again, under different aliases?
[10:17] <ompaul> mc44, there is that, but then the nick and so forth is now "highlighted" to us
[10:19] <PriceChild> mc44, he's agreed he'll try his best to follow the guidelines, if he doesn't, well then I'm sure we all know what will happen and it will be for more than a month.
[10:19] <ompaul> Davy_Jones, so I did a bit of research I see you have some colourful nicks
[10:19] <mc44> PriceChild: yeah, bet he's never agreed to do that before
[10:19] <Davy_Jones> ompaul: yeah? like what?
[10:19] <ompaul> Davy_Jones, ohh abu you know who
[10:20] <ompaul> azul and a few others
[10:20] <PriceChild> nuked..
[10:20] <Davy_Jones> oh wow, you can see all those?
[10:20] <ompaul> Davy_Jones, your call
[10:20] <ompaul> see it is not a war
[10:20] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, we see everything, that's what we are here for. :)
[10:20] <ompaul> it is not "too easy"
[10:20] <ompaul> your call
[10:20] <ompaul> get on with others
[10:20] <ompaul> or don't
[10:21] <ompaul> annoy them and then you wonder why they don't want you around
[10:21] <Davy_Jones> PriceChild: do you see what i say in other channels too?
[10:21] <ompaul> they can be fun, and you can learn a lot from them
[10:21] <ompaul> depends on where you are ...
[10:21] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, We suggest you follow the ubuntu-irc guidelines that I have shown you whilst you participate in ubuntu channels.
[10:22] <Davy_Jones> ompaul: so what's wrong with abu hamza?
[10:22] <LjL> well, maybe gofcukyourself is more "wrong"
[10:22] <ompaul> The former Soho nightclub bouncer has become the figurehead for radical Islam in Britain.
[10:24] <ompaul> Davy_Jones, we are not here to get at anyone, but what you may not know is that most of the people in -offtopic are like 1 degree away from contacting each other
[10:24] <ompaul> i.e. if we have not met face to face we know others who have
[10:26] <ompaul> survey time
[10:26] <LjL> surely not i
[10:27] <ompaul> I have met 5 face to face
[10:27] <ompaul> I have spoken to another 4 on the phone
[10:27] <ompaul> and I know that some of them have met at the likes of lugradio
[10:27] <ompaul> I know that some have met way more than I
[10:28] <mc44> gotta catch them all
[10:28] <ompaul> Davy_Jones, in fact one of them I had food with in Saturday evening, and do on a semi regular basis
[10:29] <ompaul> mc44, come over here and I'll buy you a pint of guinness
[10:29] <ompaul> :P
[10:29] <mc44> :)
[10:29] <Tommy3> Tommy3: #ubuntu-ops is the place for that :)
[10:29] <Tommy3> oops
[10:29] <PriceChild> Hey Tommy3, how can I help?
[10:29] <Tommy3> Hello, requesting an unban in #ubuntu
[10:29] <PriceChild> give me a moment Tommy3
[10:29] <Tommy3> im trying to get my boss to join the channel
[10:29] <Tommy3> i got banned from it a while back for doing some stupid crap like spamming some site when i was bored, but not again :)
[10:30] <Tommy3> because he runs ubuntu at home.
[10:30] <PriceChild> "But why?!"
[10:30] <Davy_Jones> ompaul: are you talking about the people in offtopic?
[10:30] <ompaul> Davy_Jones, I was indeed
[10:30] <Tommy3> pricechild: ?
[10:30] <Davy_Jones> ok, so am i gonna be unbanned or what?
[10:30] <PriceChild> Tommy3, nevermind... let me read up the logs.
[10:30] <ompaul> Davy_Jones, I think you are not banned any longer
[10:30] <ompaul> not 100%
[10:30] <ompaul> let me look
[10:31] <PriceChild> ompaul, i undid it a little while ago
[10:31] <Tommy3> please, we both run unbuntu OS's in house now
[10:31] <Tommy3> need access to that help :)
[10:31] <Tommy3> we have a static ip on the outside world
[10:31] <Davy_Jones> ompaul: are you gonna unban me?
[10:31] <Tommy3> so were both banned
[10:31] <PriceChild> Tommy3, you should have thought about that when you decided to spam #ubuntu ?! Let me look at the logs.
[10:31] <ompaul> Daviey, you are unbanned
[10:31] <ompaul> as far as I can see
[10:31] <ompaul> you joined the channel;
[10:31] <Davy_Jones> ompaul: no i'm not
[10:32] <PriceChild> Tommy3, of all sites to spam... that's not just "some site"
[10:33] <Tommy3> oh i know....it was just a weird caffeine day, please let it go :)
[10:33] <LjL> PriceChild: grass eating animals plus an E?
[10:33] <PriceChild> nope
[10:37] <Tommy3> hola
[10:38] <PriceChild> Tommy3, have you read hte ubuntu-irc guidelines?
[10:38] <Tommy3> never have, but I will right now if you please.
[10:39] <PriceChild> !guidelines | Tommy3
[10:39] <ubotu> Tommy3: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:40] <Davy_Jones> to piss someone off is swearing?
[10:40] <Davy_Jones> no, wait
[10:40] <Davy_Jones> to say 'piss someone off'  .. is that swearing?
[10:41] <Tommy3> were trying to get some old scsi tape drives working on unbuntu, is why needed access to the channel
[10:41] <ompaul> Davy_Jones, it is considered bad form
[10:41] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, nope, annoying them
[10:42] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, it is not the most polite of language, sorry i misunderstood earlier
[10:42] <PriceChild> Tommy3, come back in a couple of weeks please.
[10:42] <Davy_Jones> PriceChild: it's allowed though, right?
[10:43] <PriceChild> Davy_Jones, for someone such as yourself... I would advise you keep well away from questinoable  phrases such as that.
[11:06] <NeoGeo64> pls unban me from #ubuntu
[11:06] <NeoGeo64> :)
[11:07] <LjL> is today the "unban me" day?
[11:08] <NeoGeo64> i believe so
[11:08] <NeoGeo64> i mean, ill eventually get back in, with a dynamic ip and all.
[11:08] <NeoGeo64> but uh.. id like to come back in today
[11:08] <PriceChild> I remember you...
[11:09] <NeoGeo64> i didnt even do anything to get banned
[11:09] <LjL> neogeo, you were banned *today*
[11:09] <LjL> how on earth do you think it'd be lifted...
[11:09] <LjL> ah well, if you didn't do anything
[11:09] <NeoGeo64> i was just kickbanned
 i was havin sex on cocaine and the excitement was too much to handle and i puked
[11:09] <LjL> this was in #ubuntu though
[11:09] <NeoGeo64> so
[11:09] <PriceChild> NeoGeo64, the ban will not be lifted today, please come back in a few weeks.
[11:09] <NeoGeo64> i was
[11:09] <NeoGeo64> and it sucked
[11:09] <LjL> so come on, don't waste our time
[11:09] <NeoGeo64> lol
[11:10] <NeoGeo64> w00t
[11:10] <LjL> NeoGeo64: not that ban evading is allowed, you know.
[11:10] <NeoGeo64> oh cmon
[11:10] <NeoGeo64> ill behave
[11:10] <LjL> no you come on
[11:10] <LjL> yeah sure
[11:10] <NeoGeo64> i know alot about ubuntu i can help people
[11:10] <LjL> and i'm santa claus
[11:10] <NeoGeo64> im serious quiz me if you dont believe me
[11:10] <LjL> NeoGeo64, if you don't evade the ban, it will probably be lifted in some time
[11:10] <LjL> if you do evade the ban, forget ever coming back.
[11:10] <NeoGeo64> i could come back under a secret name
[11:10] <LjL> now, be a good guy and find something else to do than posting spam on #ubuntu
[11:11] <LjL> oh yes you could
[11:11] <NeoGeo64> i wasnt spamming
[11:11] <NeoGeo64> i was sharing an unpleasant sexual experience
[11:11] <PriceChild> !offtopic > NeoGeo64 (see pm)
[11:11] <PriceChild> !guidelines > NeoGeo64 (see pm)
[11:11] <NeoGeo64> interesting
[11:11] <NeoGeo64> ok
[11:12] <NeoGeo64> y'all are so mean.
[11:12] <LjL> indeed
[11:12] <NeoGeo64> lol wtf there like 87234876 sirens going outside
[11:12] <NeoGeo64> it sounds like 9/11
[11:13] <mc44> you seem to be obsessed with 9/11
[11:13] <Mez> !offtopic > Mez (test)
[11:13] <NeoGeo64> heh
[11:15] <ompaul> okay people i have had enough for today I have to do a server conversion in the morning and I want to be wide awake for it
[11:15] <ompaul> later
[11:21] <Mez> ompaul is gonna convert a server into a smoking pile of slag
[11:26] <Pici> hmmm...
[11:29] <Pici> PriceChild: fyi, based on davey_jones behavior when he was banned, I decided to wait until he came asking for the ban to be removed to decide to lift it.
[11:30] <PriceChild> Pici, k. well he's on last chance now so if he so much as looks across the line..... :)
[11:30] <PriceChild> hope you don't mind our decision seen as you weren't around
[11:30] <Pici> Not at all.
[11:32] <PriceChild> Tommy3, anything else we can help you with?
[11:34] <mneptok> PriceChild: i can't find my special Oo-oo bear!
[11:35] <PriceChild> mneptok, where's the last place you saw your special Oo-oo bear! ?
[11:36] <jussi01> lol
[11:36] <jussi01> can someone tell me how to make my bot join a channel on a different network?
[11:37] <mneptok> PriceChild: 1972
[11:37] <PriceChild> maybe your mummy tidied it up into your toy chest?
[11:37] <PriceChild> hmmmm well have you tried looking in 1973?
[11:37] <mneptok> you men. always seeing my chest as your toy.
[11:40] <mc44> I use mneptok's chest as playdoh
[11:41] <jdong> http://severance.gotdns.org/~jdong/Screenshot-MPlayer.png
[11:42] <jdong> WRONG CHANNEL
[11:42] <jdong> oops sorry
[11:42] <LjL> ok, wrong channel, no big deal, no need to get that anxious :P
[11:45] <PriceChild> LjL, lol he's just thanking himself that it was something innocent(ish)
[11:47] <LjL> :)
[11:48] <jdong> I feel bad for doing it so many times
[11:48] <jdong> irssi's lack of color-coded bottom bar is annoying :)
[11:50] <mneptok> "But I digest ..."  ???
[11:51] <mneptok> people shouldn't use vocabulary they've only heard other people use ;)
[11:52] <LjL> uhm, i just assumed it was a pun
[11:52] <mneptok> you optimist, you ;)
[11:56] <Amaranth> !ping
[11:56] <ubotu> pong
[11:56] <Amaranth> weird
[11:56] <mc44> mneptok
[11:56] <mc44> oh, we weren't playing word association?
[11:57] <jdong> mneptok: that was the point, I was pointing out the typo in another channel :)
[11:57] <jdong> it didn't pun too well with the ramble...
[11:59] <mneptok> jdong: great stuff. :)
[12:13] <rothchild> Hi, I just upgraded my router firmware and have been directed here, am I allowed back on #ubuntu now?
[12:13] <PriceChild> you want a test?
[12:14] <rothchild> is it difficult? ;-) yes please
[12:14] <PriceChild> rothchild, woo you pass :)
[12:14] <PriceChild> rothchild, yuo may rejoin #ubuntu
[12:14] <rothchild> cool thanks PriceChild


[00:20] <akgraner> who does the flavor meetings?
[00:21] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: I'll chec
[00:21] <JoseeAntonioR> k
[00:21] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, ok I've added the stats - I'll move back to editing the summaries and moving them to the wiki
[01:22] <akgraner> Everything from the Gdoc has been moved to the wiki.  I'll send out the final and edit and review request shortly once I re-arrange a few items
[01:23] <JoseeAntonioR> ok!
[01:26] <Unit193> http://jderose.blogspot.com/2012/10/killer-apps-for-ubuntu.htmlhttp://jderose.blogspot.com/2012/10/killer-apps-for-ubuntu.html DOA
[01:29] <Unit193> I'm sure it was there a second ago. >_>
[01:29] <akgraner> done
[01:29] <akgraner> it's fixed saving noqw
[01:29] <akgraner> now
[01:30] <Unit193> Ah, alrighty.  I'm the random link checker.
[01:33] <akgraner> awesome saving it now :-)
[01:35] <akgraner> I'll add updates and security and in this issue next - but for those who want to check the links and go back through it - have at it - I need to step away for a few and make sure my kids have what they need for school tomorrow
[01:36] <akgraner> Thanks y'all!
[06:34] <dholbach> good morning
[12:34] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, or bkerensa can you all run the updates and security script
[12:39] <akgraner> nm I got it
[12:39] <akgraner> had to tweak my machine a little
[12:58] <akgraner> ok folks every thing is in the newsletter  - could use another set of eyes to look over it.  I'll publish around noon my time when  I break for lunch.  Thanks in advance! :-)
[13:03] <akgraner> Editors email sent ping me if you need me  - I should be on freenode
[13:48] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: I'm around if you need something
[14:00] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, thanks - just wanted another set of eyes to look over it  - I'll add "In This Issue" and publish when I break for lunch.
[14:01] <JoseeAntonioR> or do you want me to publish now? I can do it if needed
[14:01] <akgraner> nah - wanted to give people time to review it
[14:01] <JoseeAntonioR> ok! :)
[14:03] <akgraner> But thank you
[14:03] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: did you send out the email to editors?
[14:03] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[14:03] <akgraner> yep did that this morning
[14:03] <JoseeAntonioR> ok!
[14:03] <akgraner> I already got one email from one editor - so I made those changes
[14:04] <akgraner> but thought I'd wait and see if anyone else caught something that I didn't
[14:05] <JoseeAntonioR> some of the editors do the corrections directly
[16:16] <akgraner> Anyone want to look over Issue 287 - if not I'll publish withing the hour
[19:06] <akgraner> OMG all the line breaks are gone...totally doing this manually....
[19:06] <akgraner> pleia2, ^^^
[19:13] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[19:13] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue287
[19:13] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: happened to me
[19:14] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: already sent the email out?
[19:14] <akgraner> yep
[19:14] <JoseeAntonioR> I can get you a file with no line break
[19:14] <JoseeAntonioR> well
[19:14] <akgraner> it was just as easy to do it the  old way for me
[19:14] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[19:14] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, however when I get the forums one I may as you for that file :-)
[19:14] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[19:15] <JoseeAntonioR> btw issue 287 is not in the archive
[19:16] <JoseeAntonioR> just got it
[19:16] <akgraner> I know  - I haven't added it yet - I don't do that until I publish it
[19:16] <akgraner> everywhere
[19:16] <akgraner> it's the last thing I do on my checklist
[19:19] <akgraner> it's updated now  :-)
[19:19] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, do you have a clean forums txt file
[19:20] <akgraner> mine has no line breaks
[19:20] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: yep
[19:20] <JoseeAntonioR> I think so
[19:21] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: http://vps.joseeantonior.com/287forumpost.txt
[19:21] <JoseeAntonioR> oops, it's incomplete
[19:21] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, thanks  - and what did you have to tweak to get it to work?
[19:22] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: nothing, it just works fine on my vps
[19:22] <akgraner> ahhh nm - I'll add to fridge and forums in a few - I'll just do it the other way :-/
[19:22] <JoseeAntonioR> wait a sec
[19:22] <akgraner> ok - thanks
[19:23] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: http://vps.joseeantonior.com/287forum.txt has got it, full issue
[19:25] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, thanks!
[19:25] <akgraner> :-)
[19:25] <JoseeAntonioR> no prob
[19:25] <JoseeAntonioR> want me to do the fridge one too?
[19:25] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, no, that one should go fine
[19:31] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, looking at the fridge file now - one sec I'll tell you if I need it :-)
[19:31] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[19:35] <akgraner> hmmm - now why won't it the script work for me  grrrr - JoseeAntonioR can you run it and I'll just review it on the fridge
[19:35] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: isn't it drafted in your fridge account?
[19:36] <akgraner> I don't think so -but heck I got an error when I ran it- but heck let me look
[19:36] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: note that you need to modify the script and put your username and password
[19:37] <akgraner> I did that with Lyz but nope it didn't add it...
[19:37] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, I'll do it, one sec
[19:40] <JoseeAntonioR> editing it atm
[19:42] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll need to edit some bits of the wiki, though
[19:44] <akgraner> I can just do it by hand - only takes like 15 minutes
[19:44] <akgraner> I got it
[19:45] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: post is now submitted
[19:45] <akgraner> ok -:-)
[19:46] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, says you are currently editing the post - let me know when are finished
[19:46] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: sorry, left it open
[19:46] <JoseeAntonioR> i'm done
[19:49] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, no worries- thank you
[19:49] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks to you :)
[19:51] <akgraner> Thanks everyone for all your help this week  - googledoc is set up for this next week :-)


[17:57] <mhall119> meeting in 5 in #ubuntu-website, I want to use it to have a frank discussion about how this project can go forward and how Canonical and Community will work together
[17:58] <mhall119> tgm4883: ^^
[17:58] <mhall119> jhodapp: can you make this meeting?
[17:59] <jhodapp> mhall119, sure
[17:59] <mhall119> thanks
[18:02] <mhall119> #ubuntu-meeting, not #ubuntu-website :(
[19:02] <jhodapp> ls
[19:02] <jhodapp> wrong window :)
[19:03] <tgm4883>  /home/jhodapp/Documents /home/jhodapp/secretproject
[19:03] <jhodapp> haha
[19:03] <jhodapp> that was a long delay on ls!
[19:03]  * jhodapp makes a note to get a new computer soon
[19:03] <tgm4883> it's in the cloud
[19:03] <mhall119> heh
[19:04] <mhall119> I hope that meeting at least helped air things out some
[19:05] <bobweaver> Listen I am only going to say this one more time. Ubuntu TV is part of Ubuntu With out the people that make Ubuntu(unity-next) then you all are going to fail. you can not have people show up want to help and have them spin there wheels
[19:05] <bobweaver> there will get pissed just like I did
[19:06] <bobweaver> I think that I held it back better then most would have
[19:06] <bobweaver> until the people that are working with unity next are working with the CORE community devs then you all are going to fail
[19:06] <bobweaver> sorry to be harsh but it is reality
[19:07] <bobweaver> you can not tell people to do something they work for months on that then you all change your mind AT THE TIME that you are telling others to do other things
[19:08] <mhall119> bobweaver: that's what I want to fix, I was to find out how we can have people come and help and have their work be meaningful, even if we don't have a large amount of Canonical resources to put into it
[19:08] <bobweaver> I know that it is hard but if you all want this to work the you all are going to have to do that. Maybe I am wrong ? I hope that you all prove me wrong. but you all can not  have people just wanting to help then you abonden them. it is not fair to them or you. because it makes  you look like a lair
[19:09] <bobweaver> and you are not
[19:09] <mhall119> bobweaver: fair enough, we didn't do right by this community and I know it, and I feel bad about it
[19:09] <mhall119> and I'm certainly not hte only one in Canonical who recognizes that and feels this way
[19:09] <bobweaver> if you want people to put in massive hours which this is def going to take then you HAVE to tell them these things
[19:10] <bobweaver> 1)  mir
[19:10] <bobweaver> 2) libunity
[19:10] <bobweaver> 3)  qt5
[19:10] <bobweaver> 4) libfrineds and all the other libs that are happening with phablet like the HUD the Browser Friends ect
[19:11] <bobweaver> in order for this to work from my stand point you all are going to need people that are in the phablet-mods team to work with the community people like a starting table so to say
[19:12] <mhall119> so here's the thing, 1&2 you are absolutely right about, and we realized that already, and they are open and public now *because* we realized that and pushed to make them open and public, even before they were really ready for consumption
[19:12] <bobweaver> I hate to be harsh but at this point I am not sure what else will get my point across
[19:12] <mhall119> for 3&4, those were never secrets, they are works in progress
[19:12] <bobweaver> but you all hade the code and it is still not open
[19:12] <mhall119> bobweaver: what is still not open?
[19:12] <bobweaver> at the time mhall119
[19:13] <bobweaver> like when I was porting stuff
[19:13] <mhall119> bobweaver: is there anything left that they haven't gotten you links for?
[19:13] <bobweaver> ou all where working on the phablet
[19:13] <jhodapp> ok I'm back, my internet dropped
[19:13] <bobweaver> yeah but it dosent matter at this point it is up to the phablet mods to push code because there the ones that make the changes.
[19:14] <bobweaver> hate it when that happens jhodapp
[19:14] <jhodapp> yeah :)
[19:14] <bobweaver> happens all th etime here at my place too
[19:15] <bobweaver> I am not back here to develop I am hear to let you all know what drov me to crazy town. maybe you can take that and use it for the next people that show up
[19:15] <mhall119> bobweaver: I appreciate you coming back to give your input, it's important
[19:16] <bobweaver> I do know that if I was at uds I would have solved all this but that is that and I do want to say that I do love you guys you all are awesome in my book but I have to go back to work in 20 minutes (I took the time off to do this)
[19:16] <bobweaver> have a good one and keep the faith
[19:17] <mhall119> thanks
[19:28] <redtape-renegade> mhall119: What happened at today's ubuntu-tv meeting, Plz. ??
[19:30] <tgm4883> redtape-renegade, http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-03-08-18.01.html
[19:32] <mhall119> what tgm4883 said
[19:33] <mhall119> redtape-renegade: the whole IRC log is here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/08/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t18:01
[21:37] <tgm4883> mhall119, where is the best place to ask about packaging/building/launchpad PPA's?
[21:37] <tgm4883> I've got something that isn't building correctly on the PPA
[21:37] <tgm4883> but builds fine locally
[21:40] <inetpro> tgm4883: ask at #ubuntu-packaging
[21:41] <mhall119> tgm4883: #ubuntu-devel is also usually helpful
[21:42] <mhall119> or #ubuntu-motu
[21:42] <mhall119> even if the package isn't going into Ubuntu's main archives
[21:42] <tgm4883> ok
[21:42] <tgm4883> I'll work my way though those three channels


[06:59] <kvalo> morning
[07:01] <ion> that.
[10:03] <API> hi, one question about using compiz settings manager on natty
[10:03] <API> Im trying to install it
[10:03] <API> but I get this error
[10:03] <API> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:03] <API>  python-compizconfig : Depends: python (< 2.7) but 2.7.1-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[10:04] <API> that means that I also need to compile and install compiz and his related packages?
[10:04] <API> (as explained here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/InstallationGuideFromSource)
[12:07] <fagan> Ok im working on the unity --replace bug ill be done in a few minutes if someone could tell me how to enable the plugin
[12:08] <fagan> I wont be able to test the patch because this computer would take a month to compile the code
[12:10] <akshatj> fagan, hey, you didn't get your new one yet?
[12:10] <fagan> akshatj: waiting on it to be delivered to dublin to go get it
[12:10] <fagan> It should be today or tomorrow
[12:11] <fagan> Its a pain but it cant be helped
[13:58] <jcastro> klattimer: awesome, when did you start doing indicator code reviews?
[13:58] <klattimer> dbarth just the other day
[13:58] <jcastro> fagan: which bug is that you're working on?
[13:58] <jcastro> klattimer: that's pretty awesome
[13:59] <fagan> jcastro: the one for --replace
[14:00]  * jcastro looks for it
[14:00] <jcastro> it sounds bitesizeable
[14:01] <fagan> yeah it is
[14:01] <jcastro> can you tag it so please?
[14:02] <fagan> it already is I remember
[14:02] <coz_> ah oh a  "visual" bug   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/Screenshot-CompizConfig%20Settings%20Manager.png
[14:02] <jcastro> hmm, I don't see it on the list
[14:02] <fagan> it was there before :-/
[14:04] <fagan> there is this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/685520
[14:04] <fagan> but i remember there was a bug already open
[14:04] <fagan> oh thats compiz --replace
[14:05] <coz_> I believe it should be just  "compiz"  which performs the --replace etc  now  ...yes?
[14:06] <jcastro> I just do unity --replace when it's all messed up
[14:06] <fagan> well unity --replace shouldnt work
[14:06] <coz_> I just do   "unity" now   I dont t hink the --replace i necessary
[14:06] <jcastro> sorry, I mean unity --reset
[14:07] <fagan> oh unity works by itself the bug about --replace must have been marked as fixed
[14:07] <fagan> it would be nice if it worked for --replace too
[14:07] <jcastro> file a wishlist
[14:08] <fagan> just for equality with gnome-shell and gnome-panel
[14:10] <fagan> jcastro: well I could do that if someone could point me to where in the code is the main method
[14:10]  * fagan doesnt know his way around unity
[14:10] <jcastro> fagan: file the bug and bitesize it, and in there ask that
[14:10] <jcastro> and I'll have someone answer asap
[14:11] <fagan> kk
[14:11] <jcastro> getting it on the bitesize list puts it on my radar basically
[14:11] <jcastro> fagan: if you run into bitesizeable bugs ping me or didrocks, and we can tag them
[14:11] <jcastro> I want a nice healthy list for people to be able to pick and choose
[14:12] <fagan> well ill tag them as bitesize myself and give it a go to fix it if im not busy
[14:12] <fagan> its just im not too familiar with the layout of unity's code its a bit hard to get around
[14:15] <fagan> reported Bug #692569
[14:17] <fagan> jcastro: I marked it as assigned to me and set it as a bitesize bug
[14:17] <jcastro> rock and roll!
[14:19] <fagan> Its kinda funny how apport collected all of that info and uploaded it to launchpad and its not at all needed
[14:20] <fagan> I wish you could go ubuntu-bug <app name> --no-info or something
[14:20] <Amaranth> fagan: Then we wouldn't get info when we need it :)
[14:21] <fagan> Amaranth: I mean for things like a miss spelled word or like the bug I just did you dont need any of that info at all
[14:21] <fagan> and it takes up un needed bandwidth too
[14:22] <Amaranth> fagan: Sure but it would be abused by people who don't want to wait for all of that to upload
[14:22] <fagan> Amaranth: true but we could just not document it anywhere and have it as a nice querk for developers in the know
[14:24]  * fagan has insane ideas sometimes :)
[14:32] <jcastro> sometimes?
[14:32] <jcastro> DBO: howdy
[14:32] <fagan> jcastro: yes "sometimes", a bit of insanity is always needed to get things done
[14:32] <jcastro> heh
[14:43] <fagan> is there any way to test out the dash yet
[15:19] <jcastro> fagan: nope
[15:23] <fagan> jcastro: :(
[15:56] <lamalex> DBO, is merging window decorations into the panel fully enabled yet?
[16:31] <DBO> lamalex, no really
[16:31] <DBO> not
[16:31] <lamalex> yeah ok
[16:31] <lamalex> I didn't think s
[16:31] <lamalex> we're getting a lot of bug wrt the decorations merging into the panel but I didn't really think they were fully implemented
[16:31] <DBO> jcastro, re: long time ago. Hi :)
[16:32] <evaluate> hello
[16:32] <jcastro> DBO: I told you you'd be explaining it over and over now
[16:32] <DBO> not really
[16:32] <evaluate> I sent an email to the ayatana-dev mailing list, but I can't actually see the mail on the list...
[16:32] <DBO> you are probably doing it more than me
[16:32] <jcastro> evaluate: did you get a moderation message?
[16:33] <jcastro> also, are you subscribed?
[16:33] <evaluate> jcastro, didn't get any message at all...
[16:33] <evaluate> jcastro, yes, I am subscribed, but at the time I sent the mail, the email address I sent it from wasn't in my account on launchpad
[16:33] <jcastro> ah
[16:33] <jcastro> that's probably why
[16:34] <evaluate> I've been told by the people on #launchpad that it shouldn't be a problem though, and that it should only be accepted by someone on the list...
[16:34] <jcastro> hrm, weird
[16:35] <evaluate> jcastro, do you have access to the moderation queue?
[16:36] <evaluate> if it isn't in there, I could send it again...
[16:36] <jcastro> DBO: I've been kind of pawning it off as "jason will come along shortly and explain" and other sorts of promises you can't cash
[16:36] <jcastro> evaluate: yeah I guess try it again
[16:36] <evaluate> jcastro, ok
[16:36] <DBO> jcastro, been doing the same, but with your name :)
[16:38] <evaluate> ok, it worked now :-)
[16:50] <jcastro> DBO: lamalex: since dbarth and njpatel aren't here if you have anything you can tag bitesize by EOD today that would be swell.
[16:50] <Amaranth> DBO, jcastro: I've been telling people njpatel broke something and ran away :P
[16:50] <lamalex> jcastro, sure
[16:50] <DBO> Amaranth, thats perfect, because I think hes blaming you
[16:50] <DBO> jcastro, you got it bud
[16:50] <Amaranth> DBO: The circle of life
[16:50] <DBO> lamalex, when is your last day?
[16:51] <lamalex> was I fired?
[16:51] <Amaranth> DBO: Let's say it's due to excessive reparenting and blame smspillaz too
[16:51] <DBO> lamalex, of the year
[16:51] <DBO> lamalex, before vacation
[16:51] <lamalex> erm, I need to do that right now :\
[16:52] <DBO> what?
[16:52] <lamalex> my ca was  broken last time I tried
[16:52] <lamalex> said I had 364 days of vacation..
[16:52] <Amaranth> Sounds like it's time for a year hiking around the world
[16:53] <lamalex> :)
[16:56] <API> lamalex, hi, do you know if you will have a time slot today to read the mail I sent you?
[16:56] <API> is just to coordinate myself and know where to start
[16:56] <lamalex> API, oh hey, yes I read it earlier and it got forgotten about. I'm doing some bug triaging but I will get to it asap
[16:57] <API> lamalex, ok, thanks just to know
[16:57] <lamalex> yup
[16:57] <API> if just to know if I can start to review one part or the other
[16:57] <API> there are a lot to see here ;)
[16:57] <lamalex> basically short part is "there is nothing"
[16:57] <lamalex> gtk_init was loading the module
[16:59] <API> hmm, well, as I told you on our little chats on #a11y
[16:59] <API> as with GNOME Shell
[16:59] <API> I bet that it would be required to load it by hand
[16:59] <API> and in fact
[16:59] <API> try to avoid the loading from gtk_init
[17:00] <API> but anyway, I will wait for the "long part" meanwhile
[17:11] <tareth> anyone up for a couple of reviews? :)
[17:13] <DBO> of what?
[17:14] <dbarth> a bug fix it seems
[17:14] <dbarth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/691812
[17:14] <dbarth> tareth: right?
[17:14] <dbarth> hi DBO
[17:14] <tareth> that's one of them!
[17:14] <DBO> hi dbarth
[17:14] <tareth> I also have https://code.launchpad.net/~mrasmus/unity/unity.fix-691765/+merge/44146
[17:14] <dbarth> tareth: are you already in contributor-canonical-agreemnt?
[17:15] <DBO> well now
[17:15] <DBO> that first bug is just an awesome
[17:15] <tareth> I sent the agreement to the agreement address that was listed, and I was also told to e-mail you with it (which I did)
[17:16] <tareth> so I'm not sure if anything went wrong there :/
[17:16] <dbarth> tareth: ah ok
[17:16] <DBO> dbarth, is it possible to get me on the CC list since I seem to be doing a lot of these reviews?
[17:16] <dbarth> tareth: well, there's a manual process at some point, but we can already review the merge prop. meanwhile
[17:18] <dbarth> DBO: the best is to ask people to cc you when they send the agreement
[17:18] <DBO> i do
[17:18] <dbarth> DBO: i've checked tareth's submission and it's fine
[17:19] <DBO> though usually they are resending it to me is all
[17:19] <DBO> okay thanks
[17:19] <DBO> I am going to review and if all is good, merge
[17:19] <dbarth> tareth: thanks Matthew, i received your email
[17:19] <dbarth> right
[17:19] <tareth> whew. I was worried for a moment :)
[17:19] <jono> tareth, rocking :-)
[17:22] <lamalex> How does touch interaction work with the new appmenu?
[17:24] <DBO> touch?
[17:24] <DBO> we dont do TOUCH
[17:25] <Amaranth> DBO: Don't touch me
[17:25] <DBO> Amaranth, just wait till dallas
[17:26] <Amaranth> I think I'm in a different hotel
[17:26] <DBO> wtf
[17:26] <jcastro> Amaranth: hey, got any bitesize compiz bugs?
[17:26] <jcastro> I'd like to add a few to the unity report.
[17:27]  * Amaranth hides
[17:27] <jcastro> Amaranth: just tag em up!
[17:27] <Amaranth> I can look, I don't think any compiz bug can be considered bitesize
[17:27] <jcastro> yeah
[17:27] <jcastro> I got a list of kind of beginner tasks from Sam
[17:28] <jcastro> but none are bugs per se
[17:31] <DBO> tareth, congrats on two new approved branches
[17:32] <tareth> Thanks :D
[17:35] <dbarth> DBO: are there news about the compiz issue from last week that was creating problems at session startup?
[17:36] <DBO> dbarth, no
[17:36] <DBO> no sam, no news
[17:36] <Amaranth> I thought we got a workaround for that
[17:36] <Amaranth> It's a glib issue but the workaround causes issues with menu stacking so the workaround was disabled then for some reason enabled again
[17:36] <DBO> the workaround seems to cause issues
[17:37] <DBO> i dont understand how its a glib issue
[17:37] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[17:37] <Amaranth> That's what I heard
[17:37] <DBO> I need to understand the problem better
[17:37] <DBO> tareth, branches are merged, you are once again hero of monday
[17:38] <Amaranth>     - workaround in delaying the plugin init as the gconf backend hangs when
[17:38] <Amaranth>       trying to contact/launch the gconf daemon. This only happens when you
[17:38] <Amaranth>       don't change your current profile, at session start.
[17:38] <Amaranth> Whatever that means
[17:38] <DBO> dbarth, I might need to check out for a bit on account of skull crushing headache, I will make up the hours if I do so. just a heads up
[17:38] <DBO> Amaranth, I
[17:38] <DBO> will look at it
[17:38] <DBO> see where the hang is
[17:39] <Amaranth> btw, if you thought compiz plugins were complicatingly interconnected now wait until I add egl support
[17:39] <DBO> what, why?
[17:40] <Amaranth> the opengl plugin is going to have a function similar to registerBindPixmap that returns an instance of a child of GLScreenInterface depending on what backend you have and GLScreen will proxy calls to it
[17:40] <DBO> so you are making a subclass setup
[17:41] <DBO> big deal?
[17:41] <DBO> it could be the migraine talking here
[17:41] <Amaranth> DBO: It's going to be a little trickier due to not being able to link to libGL.so and libGLESv2.so at the same time
[17:41] <DBO> but it seems to me that if we exclude those plugins who are making direct opengl calls
[17:41] <DBO> there should be 0 API change
[17:41] <Amaranth> Right, outside of the opengl, egl, and glx plugins you shouldn't notice
[17:42] <Amaranth> But I hope you never have to dig in one of those :)
[17:42] <DBO> fantastic, you are a scholar and a gentleman
[17:42] <DBO> btw do we have egl on the desktop?
[17:42] <Amaranth> Yep
[17:42] <Amaranth> at least on all mesa-based drivers
[17:43] <Amaranth> Although you have to do something extra to get it setup correctly for drivers not using gallium
[17:43] <Amaranth> I think nvidia has support too, not sure about fglrx
[17:47] <DBO> okay
[17:57] <dbarth> DBO: ok, no worries, it's no use trying to bang your head on the gconf issue if you already have a headache
[18:45] <DBO> lamalex, wanna do be a review favor?
[18:47] <lamalex> DBO, sure
[18:47] <lamalex> DBO, link?
[18:47] <DBO> making it
[18:48] <DBO> I really need a music collection titled "So you grew up in the 90's"
[18:48] <DBO> then I can ignore all new music
[18:48] <DBO> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-dx-team/unity/unity.spec-conformance/+merge/44259
[18:56] <DBO> lamalex, ^^
[18:56] <lamalex> DBO, reading
[18:59] <lamalex> DBO, are these things speced to be customizable?
[18:59] <DBO> nope
[19:00] <DBO> but they are specced multiple ways
[19:01] <lamalex> boost?
[19:01] <lamalex> I thought boost was disallowed
[19:02] <DBO> lamalex, I didn't use boost
[19:02] <lamalex> DBO, I don't understand why we're implementing these as options
[19:03] <lamalex> this seems like stuff that should all be in animations spec, and if it's spec'd differently then there's a bug in the spec
[19:11] <DBO> lamalex, because they want to do user testing with it
[19:11] <DBO> lamalex, and because its simply for me to maintain the option rather than switch out the code
[19:11] <DBO> lamalex, also neil gave me the +1 to add options we can rip out later
[19:20] <lamalex> DBO, ok
[19:20] <lamalex> just checking
[19:20] <lamalex> my job as QA :)
[19:25] <lamalex> DBO, did something change in unity/bamf recently? A lot of my launchers aren't matching and are creating new icons when I click them
[19:25] <DBO> lamalex, the boost usage you see is from compiz
[19:25] <DBO> lamalex, nothing in bamf has changed recently...
[19:26] <DBO> what isn't matching?
[19:26] <lamalex> chrome, banshee, thunderbird, probably others
[19:27] <Amaranth> Ok, I think I'll probably need to break opengl plugin API/ABI
[19:27] <DBO> the fudge...
[19:27] <DBO> why API?
[19:27] <Amaranth> Nothing in the opengl plugin will be able to reference any opengl functions or types
[19:28] <DBO> I dont htink it di
[19:28] <Amaranth> It does
[19:28] <DBO> wow, just assume that was typed right
[19:28] <DBO> what does it?
[19:28] <Amaranth> types at least in the public API
[19:29] <Amaranth> GLuint, GLenum, etc
[19:29] <Amaranth> plus I'm going to have to change how the Private* stuff works
[19:29] <DBO> okay so very easy fixes
[19:29] <Amaranth> Well, maybe
[19:30] <Amaranth> Some of the API will likely have to go away
[19:30] <Amaranth> Or at least be done differently
[19:30] <Amaranth> The current API assumes we can set global state on things still
[19:31] <DBO> Amaranth, okay, well I would audit the code and see how much they are really needed
[19:32] <Amaranth> DBO: Right now I'm just concerned with making an API that both backends will be able to actually implement
[19:32] <lamalex> DBO, final thing, we're sure we want to merge this into trunk and not keep it as a seperate branch and build packages for design team to use in user testing?
[19:32] <Amaranth> After that the things that don't fit will get that kind of checking
[19:32] <Amaranth> Or I could ignore sam and just fork the opengl plugin into an opengles plugin
[19:32] <lamalex> because you know OMG ubuntu will write a story OMG UNITY OPTIONS HERE'S HOW ASK FOR MOAR
[19:33] <DBO> I could mark all the options [debug]
[19:33] <DBO> so in CCSM they say debug next to them
[19:33] <Amaranth> I wish I could talk to sam...
[19:33] <DBO> dont we all
[19:33] <DBO> to be honest
[19:33] <DBO> I dont care what OMG Ubuntu does
[19:34] <lamalex> DBO, just seems like a good chance to leverage our infrastructure with ppas and whatnot, could honestly be a good workflow in general. Anyway +1
[19:35] <lamalex> maybe I'll bring it up on the list
[19:35] <Amaranth> I think I'm just going to fork the plugin for now and figure out a proper API with sam in january, I need to get something done
[19:36] <DBO> lamalex, I am double checking with neil
[19:36] <lamalex> It could honestly be a pretty good workflow to have a -proposed ppa or something
[19:36] <lamalex> where design team and interested users can test maybe features
[19:36] <lamalex> before we commit them to trunk
[19:36] <Amaranth> Then omgubuntu posts that and everyone switches to it :)
[19:37] <lamalex> and we say tough shit, we told you not all of these features would make it into release
[19:39] <lamalex> There are advantages and disadvantages to the idea though
[19:39] <lamalex> fewer eyes on new features landing for bug reports
[19:39] <lamalex> but also fewer bug reports for issues we know about
[19:40] <DBO> lamalex, I am going to likely migrate the options to gsettings
[19:41] <lamalex> away from compotions?
[19:41] <DBO> actually nope
[19:42] <DBO> sticking it under an "experimental" heading
[19:46] <lamalex> in compiz
[19:47] <Amaranth> I think it would actually make sense to have the unityshell plugin directly use gsettings to store its setting with the rest of the unity stuff
[19:51] <lamalex> DBO, I +1'd that merge otherwise, the code looks fine
[19:51] <DBO> lamalex, thank you for the review
[19:51] <lamalex> you're welcome my friend
[19:51] <DBO> I have more work to do, and thank you for asking the right questions :)
[19:52] <lamalex> tell dbarth how great I am next time you chat ;)
[19:52] <kamstrup> so i wonder if anyone can help out an old guy here... when I log in to (natty) with either unity- or classic sessions I just get stuck in a blank screen with a mouse pointer...
[19:54] <Amaranth> kamstrup: is the cursor spinning?
[19:54] <kamstrup> Amaranth: nope
[19:55] <kamstrup> normal idle
[19:55] <kamstrup> and 'ps aux' indicates that all processes for the session is running
[19:55] <kamstrup> except the window manager
[19:56] <kamstrup> and starting either compiz or metacity doesn't cut it
[19:56] <Amaranth> well, it sounds like you didn't get a panel in the classic environment, which is bug #1
[19:56] <Amaranth> and you don't have the unityshell plugin enabled in compiz, which is bug #2
[19:56] <Amaranth> eep, silly ubot5
[19:57] <Amaranth> so starting a window manager isn't going to get you anything visibly different as you have no shell
[19:57] <Amaranth> and no open windows
[19:57] <kamstrup> nautilus should still paint the desktop
[19:57] <Amaranth> Yeah, dunno about that
[20:01] <kamstrup> Actually, come to think of it; I did have unity working fine for a few brief minutes today. Then I pulled in the latest updates...
[20:01] <kamstrup> it was after that
[20:04] <kamstrup> ah, got it. compiz dies silently when launched
[20:07] <lamalex> nice
[20:07] <DBO> lamalex, can you do me a favor (as our QA guy)
[20:07] <DBO> see if we can find any C++ static analyzer
[20:07] <DBO> I cant find one
[20:08] <lamalex> DBO, http://sourceforge.net/projects/cppcheck/
[20:08] <lamalex> come on dude all you have to do is google
[20:08] <DBO> a good one
[20:08] <lamalex> does that one suck?
[20:08] <DBO> yes
[20:08] <DBO> tried it
[20:08] <kamstrup> Ah great. Apparently the unity session thinks it's completely fine that compiz exits with code 1 during startup
[20:08] <DBO> kamstrup, gdb + break on _exit
[20:08] <lamalex> there's a hudson plugin for cppcheck
[20:08] <lamalex> so we could automate
[20:09] <DBO> in that case I'll find a way to make it do what I want
[20:09] <DBO> I want to audit render code for complex pathways (5+ possible branches per method)
[20:09] <lamalex> DBO, it's also packaged and the kernel uses it
[20:09] <DBO> it still sucks
[20:10] <DBO> I wanted something like resharper for visual studio
[20:10] <lamalex> it's the only one listed in wikipedias list of static anyalzers for cpp
[20:10] <kamstrup> DBO: no need... vv
[20:10] <kamstrup> Program exited with code 01.
[20:10] <kamstrup> (gdb) No value set for `/apps/compiz-1/general/allscreens/options/active_plugins'
[20:10] <lamalex> DBO, there are a bunch of commercial ones
[20:10] <lamalex> if we can get funding we can probably buy something nicer
[20:12] <lamalex> but I guess that's a dbarth issue?
[20:13] <lamalex> + is it ok to use non-free tools
[20:13] <lamalex> DBO, did you ask in #cppcheck for doing complex pathwyas?
[20:14] <DBO> yes will do
[20:14] <kamstrup> DBO: so it looks like I have no dconf schema for compiz... who's responsible for installing that?
[20:17] <lamalex> i would guess compiz
[20:18] <Amaranth> compiz uses gconf
[20:20] <Amaranth> kamstrup: and the message there is because it's /apps/compiz-1/general/screen0/options/active_plugins
[20:20] <Amaranth> screen0, not allscreens
[20:20] <Amaranth> So the 0.8->0.9 conversion that either didrocks and smspillaz wrote is doing something funny, I guess
[20:55] <kamstrup> DBO: breaking on _exit only gives me a stack trace inside libc. I'm trying to locate which piece of code triggers this, but my greps to up with bupkis... Any tips on how to nail this?
[20:55] <DBO> can I see the stack trace?
[20:56] <kamstrup> DBO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/546097/
[20:57] <DBO> wtf
[20:57] <kamstrup> DBO: just my words
[20:57] <DBO> how is it start...
[20:58] <kamstrup> compiz --replace ccp
[20:59] <DBO> I meant to say
[20:59] <DBO> how is it in start?
[21:00] <Amaranth> The only reason compiz used to exit is if you didn't have composite or opengl support but now that just affects plugin loading
[21:00] <Amaranth> I can't think of a reason compiz would exit without giving a message first anyway
[21:01] <Amaranth> oh, is there more than one thread?
[21:02] <kamstrup> I think there are loads of threads
[21:02] <Amaranth> well, no
[21:02] <Amaranth> There is going to be 1 or 2
[21:03] <Amaranth> I see 3 possible locations of EXIT_FAILURE
[21:03] <kamstrup> I think there is just 1 then
[21:03] <Amaranth> two are in the bailer plugin
[21:03] <Amaranth> The other is in my "move checks to compiz" patch
[21:04] <jcastro> cando: bug #683466 is fix released right? I can't reproduce it
[21:04] <Amaranth> In either case it should have printed something but would still only exit there if you didn't have proper support for compiz
[21:04] <cando> jcastro, yup...:)
[21:05] <cando> DBO has already pushed it to master...
[21:05] <Amaranth> The only time my patch would cause exit 1 is printf ("Detected GNOME failsafe session.\n");
[21:05] <jcastro> cando: it has to be in the last upload though, the one on friday?
[21:07] <cando> jcastro, dbo pushed it 14th december..
[21:07] <Amaranth> and if you were stuck in my move checks to compiz stuff it would have at least launched an xterm
[21:07] <jcastro> yeah he likely forgot to update the status, I fixed it
[21:07] <Amaranth> it should never have actually exited
[21:08] <cando> ok...thanks..:)
[21:08] <Amaranth> kamstrup: ^
[21:08] <kamstrup> Amaranth: ok... my hunt goes on then :-)
[21:09] <Amaranth> kamstrup: Perhaps glib is pulling the rug out from under us for some reason
[21:09] <Amaranth> although afaik the only time it does that is when g_malloc fails
[21:11] <Amaranth> According to the code what you're seeing shouldn't be possible :/
[21:17] <kamstrup> Amaranth, DBO: ! it was the "bench" plugin... disabling that and now it runs...
[21:17] <DBO> kamstrup,
[21:17] <Amaranth> wha?
[21:17] <DBO> :)
[21:17] <kamstrup> Amaranth: wha?! indeed :-)
[21:17] <Amaranth> kamstrup: The only thing I can think of is the bailer deciding your system isn't fast enough due to results from the bench plugin
[21:18] <Amaranth> But I can't see why it wouldn't have printed something
[21:18] <kamstrup> Amaranth: I tried with and without the bailer, and it ran with both
[21:18] <kamstrup> Amaranth: I started manually bisecting this with 'compiz --replace plugin1 plugin2 ...'
[21:18] <kamstrup> Amaranth: it worked until I hit "bench"
[21:19] <Amaranth> so I just noticed bench doesn't seem to be in compiz or compiz-plugins-main
[21:20] <Amaranth> so it was dying because that plugin doesn't exist
[21:20] <Amaranth> kamstrup: does `compiz --replace fancyfakething` exit too?
[21:22] <kamstrup> Amaranth: that works ok... somehow the fact that the bench plugins was ticked in ccsm caused this
[21:22] <kamstrup> lemme just try a full session
[21:23] <jcastro> Amaranth: are you in natty?
[21:23] <Amaranth> jcastro: yep
[21:24] <jcastro> Amaranth: can you snag me a screenshot of the launcher drag feature?
[21:24] <jcastro> or do you know how?
[21:25] <lamalex> jcastro, what do you want?
[21:25] <lamalex> just a ss of a launcher being drug?
[21:25] <lamalex> dragged
[21:25] <jcastro> lamalex: just a pic of like the little bar
[21:25] <jcastro> yeah
[21:25] <jcastro> I'm doing a unity report and wanted to add it
[21:26] <lamalex> erm i just broke my panel :\
[21:26] <Amaranth> jcastro: like that: http://i.imgur.com/pPqSc.png ?
[21:27] <jcastro> perfect, thanks!
[21:27] <lamalex> probably want the cursor in there
[21:27] <lamalex> so it's obvious is a drag
[21:27] <lamalex> and banshee instead of rb ;)
[21:30] <Amaranth> arg, stupid unity keeps opening my terminal with pwd set to ~/Builds :/
[21:30] <Amaranth> even after I remove the launcher, open it again from /usr/share/applications, and pin it again
[21:31] <Amaranth> which is really weird unless it keeps a copy of gnome-terminal.desktop itself
[21:33] <Amaranth> lamalex: banshee doesn't like me and I have no tool that will include the cursor
[21:45] <jcastro> DBO: thoughts? http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldqxqac9AC1qb5bmy.png
[21:45] <DBO> jcastro, yes please
[21:45] <DBO> maybe a towel
[21:46] <jcastro> DBO: what's the bug report on it?
[21:48] <DBO> there isn't one as far as I know
[21:48] <jcastro> ok
[21:48]  * jcastro rolls with it
[21:48] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/2392493807/unity-bitesize-progress-report-for-20-december
[21:48] <jcastro> cando: ^
[21:49] <jcastro> jono: ^
[21:51] <jono> jcastro, it's not entirely clear why you list the bug links under the  bit about the Rubbish Bin
[21:51] <jono> you should make it clear that these are bugs we are seeking people to fix and that they are simple bugs
[21:51] <jcastro> refresh, I added a "here's the interesting ones for the week"
[21:51] <jcastro> I saw that right after I published
[21:52]  * jcastro adds more clarification
[21:52] <jono> still don't see it
[21:52] <jcastro> refresh
[21:53] <jono> I am
[21:53] <jono> I don';t see it
[21:53] <jcastro> ugh, my blog is down ... again.
[21:53] <jono> Unless of course you are from England, in which case the correct term is Rubbish Bin.
[21:53] <jono> Bug 688830 Select quicklist items with just one right click
[21:53] <jcastro> one moment.
[21:53] <jono> it is up for me
[21:53] <jono> it just won't refresh
[21:54] <jcastro> refreshed for me, hit ctrl-f5 perhaps?
[21:54] <jcastro> I added "Here’s the interesting ones for the week. Feel free to grab any of these bugs and start hacking." with a link
[21:54] <jono> I am in Chrome
[21:54] <jono> so Ctrl-Ring
[21:55] <jono> weird
[21:55] <jcastro> both appear to do the same thing for me
[21:55] <jono> let me try FF
[21:55] <jono> I don't see it in FF either
[21:55] <jono> and that is loading the page fresh
[21:56] <jono> I don't think your updates are visibile, jcastro
[21:56] <jono> why do you use tumblr, it is poo
[21:56] <jcastro> it was awesome until the last 2 weeks
[21:56] <jono> weird
[21:57] <jcastro> It's refreshing for me on like my other 2 machines
[21:57] <jono> I wonder if they have some caching that affects West Coast US
[21:57] <jono> jcastro, see if anyone else can see the changes
[21:57] <jcastro> yeah
[21:58] <tareth> I don't see the changes either..
[21:59] <jono> jcastro, ^
[22:01] <jcastro> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/jorge_not_lying.png
[22:02] <jono> jcastro, lol, we know you are not lying
[22:02] <jono> it is clearly a caching thing
[22:02] <jono> jcastro, dude, you should use wordpress.com - it is full of "not crap" goodness
[22:02] <jono> :-)
[22:02] <jcastro> I moved away from wordpress.com a while back because it was unreliable
[22:03] <jcastro> and then tumblr was being awesome until just recently. :-/
[22:03] <DBO> jcastro, i dont see teh box either
[22:03] <jcastro> ok I am getting 50/50 with people who can see the sentence
[22:03] <jono> jcastro, Wordpress.com was unreliable?
[22:03] <jono> wow
[22:04] <jcastro> yeah it was really slow
[22:04] <jono> they have always worked great for me
[22:04] <jono> strange
[22:04] <jcastro> and tbh too complicated for me, I like that tumblr is just 2 text fields
[22:05]  * jcastro makes another random edit to kick off whatever caching thing it's supposed to do
[22:05] <jcastro> no one is impressed by my right aligned launcher maneuver?
[22:06] <jono> jcastro, looks good :-)
[22:08] <DBO> jcastro, Im impressed by the animation
[22:08] <DBO> its so fancy
[22:09] <DBO> who ever coded such a wonderful animation
[22:09] <DBO> that DND animation
[22:09] <DBO> someone should give that man a cookie
[22:09] <DBO> ronoc! (his name is so clever)
[22:10] <jcastro> DBO: cookies and beer post-intellihide-default sir.
[22:10] <DBO> jcastro, committing default now
[22:10] <jcastro> DBO: hah really?
[22:10] <ronoc> DBO, yo!
[22:10] <DBO> jcastro, I was holding out for a better deal!
[22:11] <DBO> ronoc, are you on vacation my good man with the cool accent
[22:11] <ronoc> DBO, nope I'm working from ireland for the week, no holidays left
[22:12] <ronoc> had airport flight problems but finally got here this morning about 7am
[22:12] <ronoc> slept on the floor in stanstad airport last night
[22:12] <DBO> isn't it like 3am there?
[22:12] <ronoc> 10 pm
[22:12] <DBO> oh
[22:12] <jcastro> DBO: actually, who is fixing the nautilus icon arrangements under the launcher? That's actually annoying, I wouldn't turn the intellihide on by default until someone sorts that
[22:12] <ronoc> bed soon for sure :)
[22:13] <DBO> jcastro, there is no obvious fix for that
[22:13] <DBO> we are going to need to figure out a fix
[22:13] <DBO> jcastro, while annoying its more annoying that not getting enough testers :)
[22:14] <jcastro> fair enough, I guess if you're going to brutalize them with double window widgets then what's a minor icon adjustment ...
[22:15] <DBO> its actually mostly fixed in trunk
[22:15] <DBO> the double widget thing
[22:15] <DBO> I can only get it now by restarting the window maanger with a maximized window
[22:18]  * jcastro updates the report
[22:18] <jcastro> DBO: hey, next time let's just have a quick skype at EOD every monday and you can give me the goodies
[22:18] <DBO> okie dokie
[22:19] <cando> jcastro, thanks!...:)
[22:19] <jcastro> cando: now we're really rockin
[22:19] <cando> jcastro, yeah!we rock! :D
[22:19] <DBO> jcastro, you saw tareth got two more commits right?
[22:20] <DBO> hes out-committed some DX'ers this week!
[22:20] <jcastro> DBO: I did but I don't see them as fixed released
[22:20] <jcastro> link?
[22:20] <DBO> they are for next weeks release
[22:20] <DBO> well... next release
[22:20] <jcastro> oh you mean the ones today?
[22:20] <DBO> whenever that be
[22:20] <jcastro> you merged them this morning?
[22:20] <jcastro> yeah I got those
[22:20] <DBO> awesome
[22:20] <DBO> great
[22:22] <DBO> reddit fights the good fight: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/eonqp/please_stop_confusing_unity_for_a_de_that_is/
[22:23] <jono> jcastro, ok Facebooked and tweeted
[22:27] <tareth> if all goes well I'll have another bug-fix out tonight for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/691140 =]
[22:37] <jono> tareth, you rock :-)
[22:51] <fagan> DBO: where is the main method for unity, its not really easy to find and im trying to fix a quick bug
[22:51] <fagan> just point me in the right direction and ill figure it out
[22:52] <DBO> fagan, its a compiz plugin
[22:52] <DBO> so its the compiz main
[22:52] <fagan> DBO: but what is run when you go unity in the command then?
[22:53] <fagan> (thats what im looking for)
[22:53] <DBO> you mean the old clutter version?
[22:53] <fagan> nope the new one
[22:53] <tareth> isn't there a python script or something in /usr/bin?
[22:54] <fagan> oh maybe
[22:54] <DBO> fagan, im not really sure
[22:54] <DBO> I dont launch it that way
[22:54] <DBO> thats a packaging thing
[22:54] <fagan> DBO: well im just trying to make a quick --replace option so the behaviour would be the same as gnome-shell --replace
[22:55] <DBO> oh
[22:55] <fagan> unity without switches does that at the moment already
[22:55] <DBO> `which unity`
[22:55] <DBO> it should be a shell script
[22:56]  * fagan goes searching for a shell script
[22:58]  * RAOF thinks its actually a python dohicky.
[22:58] <fagan> it looks like unity.cmake
[22:58] <tareth> yep
[22:58] <fagan> its python
[23:03] <fagan> wow its been a long time since I used python
[23:05] <RAOF> Bah!  How can I get the decoration to go away on all my maximised windows, rather than just half of them?
[23:05] <Amaranth> RAOF: winrules!
[23:06] <Amaranth> actually I guess it would just be the decoration plugin match
[23:07] <RAOF> Well, that's odd.  Firefox correctly didn't have decoration, then I opened a new maximised firefox window, and it has decoration.
[23:08] <Amaranth> RAOF: change the decor plugin decoration match to (any ) & !(state=maxvert & state=maxhorz)
[23:08] <Amaranth> err, where did that space come from?
[23:08] <RAOF> :)
[23:08] <tareth> RAOF, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/691741
[23:08] <Amaranth> Actually you could just do !(state=maxvert & state=maxhorz)
[23:09] <fagan> ok done
[23:09]  * Amaranth is glad to have fixed this problem
[23:10] <fagan> jcastro: which should I do a merge or put the diff in a .patch file
[23:10] <fagan> its tested and working perfect
[23:12] <jcastro> fagan: merge request please
[23:12] <fagan> jcastro: to unity trunk yeah?
[23:12] <jcastro> ya
[23:18] <fagan> jcastro: just did the merge request
[23:18] <fagan> https://code.launchpad.net/~shanepatrickfagan/unity/unity-replace/+merge/44301
[23:19] <fagan> its one line so it shouldnt be a hard review :P
[23:24] <fagan> oh crud do I have to sign the contrib agreement for that one line?
[23:24]  * fagan hasnt signed it yet
[23:25] <DBO> fagan, please CC on the contrib agreement
[23:25] <jcastro> it's ok they check it before review
[23:25] <fagan> DBO: cc?
[23:25] <DBO> fagan, you email the contrib agreement in to sign it
[23:25] <DBO> if you CC me I can merge your code today
[23:26] <fagan> ah ok
[23:26]  * fagan does that
[23:30] <fagan> DBO: sent
[23:30] <DBO> fagan, legendary
[23:48] <fagan> jcastro: hehe id say you would love my latest tweet :P


[05:25] <OvenWerk1> micahg: re: lp:ubuntustudio-menu When I fixed the changelog to add the lp: number I was not able to add the --fixes lp: * to it.
[05:26] <OvenWerk1> micahg: do I have to do an empty commit.
[05:30] <OvenWerk1> I tried it anyway...
[05:52] <OvenWerk1> zequence: I fixed bug #1298089 But I am not sure launchpad likes me anymore.
[05:54] <OvenWerk1> It has said updating branch for 30min now.
[05:54] <OvenWerk1> Ga! Off to bed.....
[21:15] <zequence> Beta 2 is published
[21:15] <zequence> I think we should see some progress in our last uploades within a few days.
[21:15] <zequence> Time to start thinking about the next 6 months, and the next 2 years
[23:54] <OvenWerk1> zequence: I like what I see in the meta chooser in ubiquity.
[23:55] <OvenWerk1> If we can make that standalone and get it to accept extra packages from the command line, it could replace ubuntustudio-installer.