[04:35] <Myrtti> no need to use the dot
[04:35] <Myrtti> anyway...
[04:35] <Kamakazie> can ya boot to dos from a thumbdrive?
[04:35] <buerste> i know, its just there to stop irc from using it as command...
[04:35] <Dreamer3> Kamakazie: depends on the PC
[04:35] <claint> how do i stop esd from starting everytime i login.
[04:35] <claint> how do i stop esd from starting everytime i login
[04:35] <Dreamer3> Kamakazie: usually it's USB Zip (in the bios)
[04:35] <claint> sorry.
[04:35] <thoreauputic> buerste: a space works just as well, or an additional /
[04:35] <buerste> kk
[04:35] <buerste> but
[04:35] <Dreamer3> Kamakazie: and not all usb cards support it well
[04:36] <claint> how do i stop esd from starting everytime i login? and how do i make it so that my sounds dont use esd?
[04:36] <buerste> what am i doin wrong?
[04:36] <Kamakazie> Dreamer, okay, I downloaded corporate version, but it wasnt an ISO, just the files that need to be on the disk, i burnt it to a disk, but its not bootable
[04:38] <thoreauputic> claint: in sound server preferences, disable sound server start-up
[04:38] <buerste> no one help me :(
[04:38] <Dreamer3> the ubuntu installer support EVMS/LVM out of the box, right?
[04:38] <thoreauputic> buerste: maybe no one knows
[04:38] <Dreamer3> incluring the creation of new EVMS objects though, or not?
[04:39] <claint> thoreauputic : why does it use esd?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> claint: I don't know - it's a gnome thing - for instance xfce doesn't use it
[04:40] <Quarupt> Okay, how can i use K3b to make a bootable CD?
[04:40] <mdke> [OT]  over the last 24 hours I have started getting "mail not delivered messages" to my email account. The messages reveal spam being sent from my address. Is it possible that someone is using my account illegally, or are they just making it seem like their spam emails come from my address?
[04:40] <claint> Quarupt : are you writing an iso?
[04:40] <jc-denton> http://rafb.net/paste/results/8tgquK63.html
[04:40] <jc-denton> why is this
[04:40] <Quarupt> claint, no
[04:40] <habib> hello everybody
[04:40] <jc-denton> i tought i could use fuse with the linux-kernel-headers package
[04:40] <Dreamer3> mdke: prolly the latter
[04:40] <mdke> Dreamer3, ok that sucls
[04:40] <Dreamer3> mdke: sine e-mail isn't authenticated almost anyone can "send e-mail from your account"...
[04:41] <Quarupt> claint, just all the files that are contained on the windows corporate edition CD
[04:41] <mdke> Dreamer3, :(
[04:41] <Dreamer3> mdke: i can fire up my e-mail right now and send e-mail from your "account" :)
[04:41] <mdke> so its you!
[04:41] <Dreamer3> mdke: not
[04:41] <Dreamer3> mdke: get used to it
[04:41] <mdke> :p
[04:41] <Dreamer3> mdke: spam isn't going away until we have more robust e-mail
[04:42] <habib> My soundcore.ko n other files r with out permission, this could be cause I update my gcc version!?
[04:42] <bwlang> mdke: sounds like you're the victim of a "joe job"... that happened to me after i got active in trying to shut down spammers.
[04:42] <PecK> XML rocks
[04:42] <bwlang> mdke: i think it was payback
[04:42] <mdke> bwlang, i haven't done anything
[04:42] <bwlang> mdke: i guess it's just bad luck for you then (probably for me too if i take off my tin foil hat)
[04:43] <mdke> bwlang, heh
[04:44] <Dreamer3> anyone want to send me a hoary release CD express mail for a few bucks paypal?
[04:44] <jc-denton> http://rafb.net/paste/results/8tgquK63.html
[04:44] <Dreamer3> otherwise i order one off ebay, and it took like a week last time :0/
[04:44] <Dreamer3> :-/
[04:44] <mvirkkil> What's up with the wiki?
[04:44] <t3h_j4n> Can someone please help me with the install of ubuntu?
[04:44] <Quarupt> How can i make a bootable CD?
[04:45] <bwlang> Quarupt: google for "el torito"
[04:45] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: what are you having problems with?
[04:45] <bwlang> Quarupt: programs like k3b make it pretty easy these days
[04:45] <mvirkkil> It seems changes from the last 1-2days are missing from the wiki?
[04:45] <Dreamer3> who was it here i was talking to about the "Brown screen" problem the other day?
[04:46] <t3h_j4n> it gets to a certain point, then it gives me the message about having only a little bit of RAM
[04:46] <t3h_j4n> then I say OK and it continues only to show the message again and again
[04:46] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: what are the specs of your install CD?
[04:46] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: this is during the install?
[04:46] <t3h_j4n> yes
[04:46] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: system specs, and is this hoary or warty
[04:47] <t3h_j4n> I'm using the intelx86 warty edition
[04:47] <t3h_j4n> 32 Megs, pentium 2 200Mhz
[04:47] <bwlang> Dreamer3: dunno... but that happens when all of your processes don't go away after you quit your X session... do a ps aux | grep `whoami` at the command prompt to see what you're still running and kill those tasks (with a -9 signal if necessary)
[04:47] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: that's not enough to install ubuntu
[04:47] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: you need 128MB
[04:47] <t3h_j4n> bah!
[04:47] <Dreamer3> bwlang: no, it happens before i start X the first time
[04:47] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: um no :)
[04:47] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: or a minimal expert install
[04:47] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i installed it on 64mb just fine :)
[04:47] <t3h_j4n> the CD says I need 32MB
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, well, 128 is recommended
[04:48] <Dreamer3> bwlang: it was my sound... guess the driver wasn't fulled supporting... kill esd allowed gnome to startup
[04:48] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: agreed :)
[04:48] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i just don't think 32mb is really enough for the installer to function
[04:48] <t3h_j4n> how do I do a minimal expert install?
[04:48] <mvirkkil> t3h_j4n: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM/view?searchterm=memory
[04:48] <t3h_j4n> I don't either
[04:48] <Dreamer3> bwlang: i should get a forum accound and post taht
[04:48] <mvirkkil> t3h_j4n: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM
[04:48] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: you won't have a desktop
[04:48] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: do you just want console?
[04:49] <bwlang> Dreamer3: bummer... i bet it will time out eventually  but it shouldn't block.
[04:49] <Dreamer3> mvirkkil: what WM does miniram propose?
[04:49] <Dreamer3> bwlang: agreed, but 5 minutes is too long to wait :)
[04:49] <mvirkkil> Dreamer3: icewm
[04:49] <t3h_j4n> ack I just want something to run a PDF reader, text editors and so forth
[04:49] <Dreamer3> bwlang: it was a big problem, few threads on the forums
[04:49] <t3h_j4n> I like consoles :)
[04:49] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: *laughs*
[04:49] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, i personally would install Debian on that machine - I have a pentium 200 running Debian Woody and fluxbox
[04:50] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: try console_pdf
[04:50] <Dreamer3> j/k
[04:50] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: i think blackbox is a good choice for that circumstance...
[04:50] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: try damn small linux
[04:50] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: honestly
[04:50] <t3h_j4n> okay, thanks
[04:51] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i know people use ubuntu on that old hardware with alternative WM's, but really it still has a lot of memory pressure from daemons and stuff that other small distros don't have
[04:51] <hub> hi
[04:51] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i mean you can turn them off, but you might like DSL based on what you describe
[04:51] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: it's a 50mb download
[04:51] <hub> I'm in Canada, and daylight saving did not occur on the Linux boxes
[04:51] <t3h_j4n> I don't know about alternative WM's I'm still trying to get past the install :)
[04:51] <spiral> hmmm... I've got a problem with sk98lin... does anyone work on this ?
[04:51] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: try DSL, unless you just want ubuntu to b "cool" like the rest of us
[04:52] <t3h_j4n> lol
[04:52] <bwlang> spiral: i don't even know what that is...
[04:52] <mvirkkil> How many changes do you guys see on this page? https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/recentchanges?period=day There should be something like 20-30
[04:52] <Jimbob> Dreamer3: 10:52a
[04:52] <spiral> bwlang: an ethernet card module
[04:53] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: hmmmm, oh my system knows
[04:53] <thoreauputic> hub: you have universal time as your default?
[04:53] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: but not my clock
[04:53] <Myrtti> mvirkkil: I see only one change
[04:53] <hub> thoreauputic: I think
[04:53] <t3h_j4n> OK, according to this thingy, I have to type custom at the prompt to install in minimal mode, is that correct?
[04:53] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[04:54] <thoreauputic> hub: daylight saving changed automatically here: Australia Eastern
[04:54] <Dreamer3> that means the server in texas is off
[04:54] <hub> thoreauputic: I'm still in EDT
[04:54] <mvirkkil> Myrtti: Someone has f*cked the wiki. All changes/additions in the last couple of days have been wiped.
[04:54] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmm
[04:54] <mvirkkil> I had personally made new pages there and they are gone :-(
[04:54] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: i don't think you're going to be happy with ubuntu on that hardware...  debian is a better choice
[04:55] <pjm31> true
[04:55] <Dreamer3> bwlang: that's why i told his DSL
[04:55] <Dreamer3> bwlang: it's a fun little distro
[04:55] <t3h_j4n> DSL = Damn Small Linux?
[04:55] <Myrtti> mvirkkil: that sucks and spits
[04:55] <Dreamer3> bwlang: i'm wanting to setup a PC with no moving parts running it now
[04:55] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: yes
[04:55] <habib> does anyody knows why my sound r not working any more, after I apt-get gcc?!?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: you'll be fighting all the way to get it to install - damnsmall or debian are the way to go
[04:55] <t3h_j4n> so which is better DSL or Debia?
[04:56] <bwlang> Dreamer3: for no moving parts leaf is a great choice...
[04:56] <t3h_j4n> bah! but ubuntu is cool!
[04:56] <mvirkkil> Myrtti: Yeah
[04:56] <t3h_j4n> nah, i'll try DSL or Debian
[04:56] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: debian is more "normal"
[04:56] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: yeah... but you lose the coolness with such old hardware.
[04:56] <t3h_j4n> I don't like normal
[04:56] <t3h_j4n> true, true
[04:56] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: for instance the X server is standard
[04:56] <hub> crap
[04:56] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i'm so happy i just bought a athlon XP 1800, 512mb, 20g +40g from my uncle for 25$ :)
[04:56] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: it will run ubuntu way better than my 900mhz lappy
[04:57] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: it's really a preference issue.  Debian is much more popular... and probably has more packages build fo ryou
[04:57] <t3h_j4n> argh! I hates you!
[04:57] <whiteknight> ubuntu runs brilliantly on a ppc 800mhz
[04:57] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: aha! that's the crux of it
[04:57] <bwlang> Dreamer3: you mean your unck just gave you a computer
[04:57] <Dreamer3> bwlang: true, depends on what he wants to do :)
[04:57] <Dreamer3> bwlang: he got a new one... and this one looks old and has win 98 ;-)
[04:57] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: I know debian will run happily on a P200 mmx - I have one right next to me
[04:57] <pjm31> Does anybody know a well-supported Webcam model with Ubuntu?
[04:58] <Dreamer3> bwlang: he has a P4 hyperthreaded now and thinks its so cool :) he just wanted me to get his stuff off his old one and a few bucks :)
[04:58] <t3h_j4n> thoreaputic: and how much ram do I need, is 32MB enough?
[04:58] <bwlang> pjm31: i recommend a cheap digital camera... they're more flexible than a dedicated web cam
[04:58] <Dreamer3> bwlang: one of the CD drives is a bit flakey, but i think it was a good deal :)
[04:58] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: for a minimal install with blackbox or fluxbox, yeah
[04:58] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: and use light apps
[04:59] <jc-denton> aaarggh
[04:59] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: the more the better... you can run with 32 but it you'll have to use one program at a time and avoid big programs like openoffice, emacs, etc.
[04:59] <Dreamer3> bwlang: i had someone give me a XP 1800/128mb/20gig with a non-functional ME install... system was fine :)
[04:59] <jc-denton> and there are no kernel-sources for 2.6.10
[04:59] <jc-denton> what can i do?
[04:59] <Dreamer3> bwlang: i seem to have good luck in that department
[04:59] <t3h_j4n> thoreaputic: Yay! Thanks, dude.
[04:59] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: or just make friedns with Dreamer3's friends... ;)
[04:59] <t3h_j4n> bwlan: lol
[04:59] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: http://users.netwit.net.au/~pursang/     << good advice on lofat linux
[04:59] <crimsun> jc-denton: kernel sources for 2.6.10?
[04:59] <pjm31> bwlang, I tryed 2 ones yet ...
[04:59] <crimsun> jc-denton: do you mean Ubuntu-provided ones, or?
[05:00] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: do you have high speed interenet?
[05:00] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: In a word... no.. er.. no
[05:00] <dabeej> what could be the problem
[05:00] <buerste>  LC_ALL = (unset),  how to set?
[05:00] <bwlang> pjm31: i can't really give you much advice... but i know that the canon powershot S400 will work as a "web cam"
[05:00] <hub> so, my timezone has been changed to EDT
[05:00] <buerste> (locale)
[05:00] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: ah...
[05:00] <hub> but not the real time
[05:00] <dabeej> if your cd's dvd's and usb mass storage devices
[05:00] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i'd still try DSL
[05:00] <dabeej> aren't mounting
[05:00] <dabeej> automounting
[05:00] <jc-denton> i mean the ubuntu provided
[05:00] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: might just work for you
[05:01] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I'll definately check it out
[05:01] <crimsun> jc-denton: apt-get linux-source-2.6.10
[05:01] <jc-denton> as far as i understood i should be able to build fuse with linux-kernel-headers
[05:01] <jc-denton> but i can't
[05:01] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: and if you want a newer version of the cool beaver editor that comes with it i've been working on "deaver" :)
[05:01] <pjm31> join #Debian
[05:01] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: DSL would work fine, and the app choices are good
[05:01] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: That's er... a 'colourfull' name...
[05:01] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: because beaver is moving to GTK2, but due to the small size DSL (in CD form -50mb) only has GTK1.2 :)
[05:01] <crimsun> jc-denton: apt-get install fuse-source
[05:02] <housetier> how do I mount a ntfs partition so that a user has ownerships and read write permissions on the files and directories? I already tried rw,user,uid=1000,gid=1000; it is mounted rw but the user cannot even read all the files. do I have to tweak this umask parameter somehow? (I have no understanding of how umask works)
[05:02] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: what? deaver?
[05:02] <crimsun> jc-denton: install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:02] <Xappe> hmm, where is the world going? editing beavers...
[05:02] <jc-denton> i did
[05:02] <crimsun> jc-denton: then follow the directions in /usr/share/doc/fuse-source/
[05:02] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: Yeah
[05:02] <jc-denton> yes
[05:02] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: what's wrong with it?
[05:02] <jc-denton> its called linux-source
[05:02] <jc-denton> that was confusing
[05:02] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: it can't stay beaver, since they're moving on
[05:02] <jc-denton> cos debian called it kernel-source
[05:02] <crimsun> jc-denton: you don't need linux-source to build it
[05:02] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: but i like to acknowledge it's roots
[05:02] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: The name's fine.. it just sounds a bit... flaky
[05:02] <dabeej> is it hald that does that or something?
[05:02] <crimsun> jc-denton: yes well, this is Ubuntu...
[05:02] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: lol
[05:02] <jc-denton> and there are also packages called kernel-source
[05:03] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: oh... it's sorta from sara deaver in sweet november :)
[05:03] <crimsun> jc-denton: and kernel-source are unsupported (in universe)...
[05:03] <bwlang> housetier: you need to learn about umask ...  and keep in mind that nfs does not work based on user name... it works based on userid (user number) so you need to have unified pasword/shadow files or use NFS/ldap/etc for your user database
[05:03] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: plus it rhymes with beaver
[05:03] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: Very poetic
[05:03] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: thanks, i try
[05:04] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i just compiled the GTk2 version the other day and saw they've made most of the same changes i thoguht og :)
[05:04] <housetier> bwlang so could you tell me a umask that will give the user read-write permissions?
[05:04] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: damn, that sucks
[05:04] <crimsun> housetier: just the user?  002
[05:04] <housetier> bwlang does this work for ntfs as well?
[05:04] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: not really, i learned a lot :) and not i can backport some of their code :)
[05:05] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: lol, dude, very optimistic of you
[05:05] <bwlang> housetier: did you understand that bit about uid vs username?  do you understand binary numbers?
[05:05] <thoreauputic> bwlang: ntfs doesn't support unix-style permissions
[05:05] <thoreauputic> oops
[05:05] <hybrid> hello all
[05:05] <bwlang> thoreauputic: you mean ... yeah. housetier
[05:05] <thoreauputic> sorry bwlang
[05:05] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: most of what i do is editing source, so i need a good editor :)
[05:06] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: and beaver (with help) can be really close to the latest gedit
[05:06] <housetier> bwlang sorry for bothering you so much
[05:06] <t3h_j4n> dreamer3: ah. have you seen Kate? I used it once and liked it.
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, scite is nice, too
[05:06] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: yeah, kate in 50mb, not likely :)
[05:06] <t3h_j4n> dreamer3: Oh yeah SCiTe is very, very cool
[05:07] <t3h_j4n> dreamer3: Plus it doesn't compare with Scite
[05:07] <bwlang> housetier: when i get botherd i'll stop answering... ntfs can support concept of userid, umask etc for permissions. on a mount point i think.  It's read only anyway unless you're really living on the edge.
[05:07] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: scite, beaver or nedit are good on low ram machines
[05:07] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: is there a gtk 1.2 version of scite?
[05:07] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: if so i'll get it and compile it and check it out
[05:08] <t3h_j4n> yeah I noticed, it kind of sucks when you actually notice the diffirence in compile times between your desktop and laptop
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, I'm not sure - I think it uses gtk2 but I may be wrong
[05:08] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: it does currently, i just wonder if there is an older version
[05:09] <t3h_j4n> okay, weel I've got to go and read some articles and stuff, so bye
[05:09] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: with your slow hardware you'd benefit from dist-cc... pretty handy on old machines
[05:09] <t3h_j4n> what's dist-cc?
[05:09] <dabeej>  7792 ?        Ds     1:25 /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges
[05:09] <dabeej> hold this
[05:10] <superted_> anyone know how the beagle package is coming along?
[05:10] <jordanau> thoreauputic, you taught me a little about permissions about a week or two a go, i read up on them and understand them now thank you very much
[05:10] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: its a program that lets you do compiliations on all your computers at once (sort of like a cluster for compiling)
[05:10] <thoreauputic> jordanau: you're very welcome :)
[05:10] <jc-denton> but there are no packages for sshfs (with fuse)?
[05:10] <jc-denton> at least i couldnt find one
[05:10] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: ooo! gimmicks!
[05:10] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: nah, if the times get to long, i'll just compile on my desktop
[05:11] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: the laptop is mostly for running DnD sessions, making notes in class, that type of stuff, maybe a little programming but, hey, we'll see
[05:11] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: the point is that when you compile it does work on all your comptuers transparently.  It's easy to setup and pretty transparent.
[05:12] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: I guess you'll need a network for that though
[05:12] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: certainly...
[05:12] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: err.. this is a VERY old laptop...
[05:12] <yhonatan> Where is the APT Directory
[05:12] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: try DSL :) you won't regret it
[05:12] <Madeye> guys, I'm having terrible problem, anyone can check this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23653 ?
[05:12] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: But I see your point it's very cool
[05:13] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: apt-cache search  sshfs
[05:13] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: plus DSL has a very cool name
[05:13] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: thought it will work on your computer alone when you're disconnected.   An old pcmcia net card will only cost you about 5 bucks
[05:13] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: I think that will show you some if your sources are right
[05:13] <yhonatan> where is the
[05:13] <yhonatan> APT directory?
[05:13] <jc-denton> shfs is not for fuse
[05:13] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: If it isn't that costly I should consider it, if only for sheer funness value
[05:14] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: OK, I misunderstood you, sorry
[05:14] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: Then I can tell people, "My programs are so big they need to be compiled on two PC's"
[05:14] <Madeye> anyone ?
[05:14] <yhonatan> Help?
[05:14] <jc-denton> np
[05:14] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: Of course then people will start asking me which systems they where
[05:14] <thoreauputic> yhonatan: the question is ambiguous
[05:15] <yhonatan> where is the
[05:15] <thoreauputic> yhonatan: what are you wanting to do?
[05:15] <yhonatan> Source.list file?
[05:15] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: And I'd had to answer: "A P4 and a P2"
[05:15] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: The respone to that will be something like "?"

[05:17] <thoreauputic>  cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep bogomips
[05:17] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: a unit of measurement of speed?
[05:17] <Dreamer3> bogomips        : 1777.66
[05:17] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: *whistles* like instructions per second?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: supposedly a measure of how many times per sec a cpu can do nothing ;-)
[05:18] <mvirkkil> t3h_j4n: It's just a really crude performance number of your cpu. Not very accurate, but will give you a general idea.
[05:18] <thoreauputic> hence "bogo" as in "bogus"
[05:18] <t3h_j4n> thoreauputic: The amount of irony in that sentence is enough to kill a whale
[05:18] <t3h_j4n> thoreaputic: Ah I see!
[05:18] <mvirkkil> For example my ADSL modem is ~100 bogomips :-)
[05:19] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: I believe Linus invented the measurement and named it :)
[05:19] <libben> i wanna find where my hdparm config file is located..... but i wanna use grep... how do i do that?
[05:19] <t3h_j4n> Look! My CPU can do nothing 1777.66 times a second!
[05:19] <hybrid> lol
[05:19] <kent> libben, why do you want to use grep for that? use locate for searching in the harddisk, or the gnome search.
[05:20] <t3h_j4n> umarmung: I like your name
[05:20] <libben> ooh...
[05:20] <libben> so why do i allways see ppl telling others to use grep bla bla bla bla =)
[05:20] <t3h_j4n> bah: That's even better.
[05:20] <thoreauputic> bogomips	: 3997.69
[05:20] <kent> t3h_j4n, mine does 3964 ;) Thats more nothingness than yours ;)
[05:20] <t3h_j4n> That's it I'm having my name legally changed to BAH!
[05:20] <t3h_j4n> kent: lol
[05:20] <t3h_j4n> Fear My NOTHINGNESS!
[05:21] <cored> hi all
[05:21] <t3h_j4n> It sounds like some kind of computer-deathcult that worships the great computer void or something
[05:21] <cored> which is the command for starting openoffice ?
[05:21] <LadyRoot> oo
[05:21] <Quinn_Storm> 2375.68 bogomips
[05:21] <thoreauputic> cored: oowriter
[05:22] <LadyRoot> cored, e.g. oo --writer
[05:22] <thoreauputic> cored: or ooimpress or whatever
[05:22] <kent> libben, you can use grep to search for stuff from inside one or more files. Like "grep hello file.txt" will search that file for the word hello.  But, if you dont know which file, then grep is not usefull; that is, if you dont know at all where the file is. But, hdparm.conf should be in /etc/ some where..  *hint*
[05:22] <umarmung> t3h_j4n: thx
[05:23] <libben> allready found it with locate =) thxs... im gonna understand on how to make auto hdparm -d1 on my dvd..
[05:23] <cored> LadyRoot: there is no such command
[05:23] <LadyRoot> cored, maybe it's only in old oo, i use oo only
[05:23] <dross> hi there
[05:23] <thoreauputic> cored: type  oo  <tab> ,tab>
[05:23] <dross> :)
[05:23] <Dreamer3> wait till i try that on my NEW syste
[05:23] <Dreamer3> wait till i try that on my NEW system
[05:23] <t3h_j4n> w007! I love this "www.damnsmalllinux.org"
[05:23] <kent> libben, there is some samples in the hdparm.conf that you can play with. It should not be so hard.
[05:24] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: you got it already?
[05:24] <dross> Question: are linux-restricted modules available for 2.6.11?
[05:24] <t3h_j4n> erm. no.
[05:24] <thoreauputic> cored: that tab trick will show the lot
[05:24] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: the proof is in the pudding, don't rave about it until you use it ;-)
[05:24] <t3h_j4n> I just loaded the webpage
[05:24] <cored> hmm maybe the problem is zsh tab completion
[05:24] <cored> :(
[05:24] <libben> yeah... but they freak me out =) .... i just want like u do it in bat files  =) just adding the line hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[05:24] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I'm just raving about the website name*sniff*
[05:24] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: *laughs*
[05:24] <libben> but looking in that file... and all examples is commented out... well =) dont know what to think =)
[05:24] <thoreauputic> cored: either `openoffice` or `oowriter` should work
[05:25] <libben> Cause i know that my hdb is dma on...
[05:25] <libben> and thats not listed there
[05:25] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i really want to build a 100% silent PC with it, but don't have the $$$ right now
[05:25] <t3h_j4n> Cool! They have a South African download site, sweet!
[05:25] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: Ah.. Yes.. I'm in the same situation
[05:25] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: they sell them on the website... 512mb flash, 256mb ram, 533mhz eden processor... no moving parts $350
[05:26] <felipefonsec1> hi all
[05:26] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I'm intrigued by this idea
[05:26] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: 50mb for DSL, 450mb free for whatever you want :)
[05:26] <thoreauputic> cored: "Here's a nickel, kid - get yourself a new shell "   ;-)
[05:26] <felipefonsec1> anyone knows what replaced alsaconf?
[05:26] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: OOoooo!
[05:26] <thoreauputic> felipefonsec1: nothing
[05:27] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i've just used some noisy (and some quiet - Antec 600BFE case) systems and i have a an appreciation for the never ending backfround noise that is my home
[05:27] <Kamakazie> how can i add files to an ISO?
[05:27] <Kamakazie> can I use K3b?
[05:27] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: Lol
[05:27] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: appreciation=dislike
[05:27] <fff> thoreauputic: ok, but how do I configure my sound card in ubuntu?
[05:27] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i mean i wouldn't develop/compile code on one, but to surf the web, e-mail, web design... sure
[05:27] <Kamakazie> I just wanna make a bootable windows corporate CD here,
[05:28] <libben> kent, can i pm ? i think i got it.. but dont wanna spam the channel. u just need to say Yes or No if i got it right =)
[05:28] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I have a P4, and use the standard fan. Needless to say any big game = NOISE!
[05:28] <Sav> i made an update with synaptic, now i cant boot with windows in grub, any ideas where to add windows oot?
[05:28] <thoreauputic> fff: that I don't know - the devs in their wisdom decreed that alsaconf caused more trouble than it solved, apparently
[05:28] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I hear you. But I'd use it for coding, noise distracts me
[05:28] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i bought that antec case from newegg after reading lots of reviews and you can BARELY hear that PC at the office, it's quietier than my laptop
[05:28] <buerste> is it possible to install 32bit ubuntu on a 64bit arch system?
[05:29] <anso> no
[05:29] <fff> thoreauputic: ok, thanks.
[05:29] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i bought a silent CPU fan too... it uses 120mm fans too, so they can spin slower and still push enough air
[05:29] <buerste> chrooting sucks so hard, nothings working
[05:29] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: How much did it cost?
[05:29] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: the case, not the cpu fan :)
[05:29] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: the case was $80
[05:29] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: the cpu fan maybe $10?
[05:29] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: maybe $15.
[05:29] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: though the stock AMD fans aren't terrible
[05:30] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: *nod*
[05:30] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: My PC sounds like a chinook helicopter filled with eliphants
[05:30] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: this machine's power supply in it's old case was dying and overheating and i went all out to do it right... and haven't regreted it yet... thinking about migrating another PC to that case :)
[05:30] <t3h_j4n> elephants*
[05:30] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: the pc i just bought from my uncle needs a new PC fan badly
[05:31] <libben> I scrolled down to the bottom, where i find the command line uncommented out......  //hdparm
[05:31] <libben> #command_line { hdparm -q -m16 -q -W0 -q -d1 /dev/hda #}
[05:31] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: and prolly new CD drives... think i might order this coming week
[05:31] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: Is it making a grating noise?
[05:31] <libben> i just change that to -d1 /dev/hdc?
[05:31] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: gah!  What's that, conversation in KDE? ;)
[05:31] <Kamakazie> How can I add files to an ISO?
[05:32] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: think it might become a new workstation at home, or replace my old server, but i'm leaning towards dual-head workstation :)
[05:32] <t3h_j4n> AstralJava: hehe
[05:32] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: just need to know where i'm going to fund the moeny for the two 19" lcds i'd want ;-)
[05:32] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: You're one of those people who live with the wreckage of like 5 PC's at home right?
[05:32] <Riddell> AstralJava: correct guess
[05:32] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I admire you
[05:32] <Sav> i made an update with synaptic, now i cant boot with windows in grub, any ideas where to add windows oot?
[05:32] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: no, that's the office *laughs*
[05:33] <LadyRoot> Kamakazie, you can add files in k3b to a multisession disk
[05:33] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I'm only at two at the moment *pouts*
[05:33] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i have a P3/733, 768mb, 120+gb that is my firewall/server and just my laptop at home
[05:33] <AstralJava> Riddell: I would have known, I never work with that. :)
[05:33] <AstralJava> wouldn't*
[05:33] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I have my games machine, running winXP ( BAH! ) and then my laptop, which is for screwing around with
[05:33] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: the olds erver loses the bios everytime you turn it off and you have to reflash it on boot up
[05:34] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: THat's atrocious
[05:34] <Kamakazie> LadyRoot, what ya mean multiseesion disk, I have the Ultimateboot disk ISO, and I wanna add more files to the ISO and burn a CD
[05:34] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: oh well, it's 100% rock solid (runs for 150+ days easily) when it's up ;-)
[05:34] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I have one friend, who'se computer is a celeron, his solution to the PC not booting is to hit it, hard
[05:34] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: It has a dent
[05:34] <Infie> is there an easy way to tell ubuntu to use alsa rather than oss?
[05:34] <Dreamer3> um, ok :)
[05:35] <Dreamer3> ouch
[05:35] <Dreamer3> i'd be mroe worried about his hand
[05:35] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: We laugh at him a lot
[05:35] <Dreamer3> Infie: it should use it by default
[05:35] <Infie> my sound works (oss modules in lsmod), but many applications report no soundcard
[05:35] <Infie> sdl programs for example
[05:35] <Infie> ok
[05:35] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: We also found a Bar One wrapper in his case one time
[05:35] <Infie> I wonder if there is a way to get SDL to use the oss driver..
[05:35] <Dreamer3> Infie: sure
[05:35] <tsume> are there any packages for linux-restricted yet for the latest kernel?
[05:36] <Dreamer3> Infie: libsdl1.2debian-oss (package)
[05:36] <Dreamer3> Infie: it may be in universe, not sure
[05:36] <Infie> ok, thank you
[05:36] <Kamakazie> LadyRoot,
[05:37] <LadyRoot> Kamakazie, i dont remember, i dont have a cd recorder in this laptop, but it can be done in k3b
[05:37] <ubunuitis> I'll make this short and 2 the point. Sound issues with SB emu10K based cards. ie SB Live 5.1 and SB Audigy. I have no sound but modules are loaded. Any pointers please...
[05:38] <Quinn_Storm> ubunuitis: I have an SB Live (value) and I had no trouble...start with making sure mixer is up and then try catting something to /dev/dsp
[05:39] <fabbione> ubuntu-itis: run the mixer and be sure that the Audigy Analog is checked
[05:39] <fabbione> it is called also Channel A on some mixers
[05:39] <Kamakazie> LadyRoot, K3b cant even open an ISO just write it, so how
[05:39] <LinuxJones> ubunuitis, also check gstreamer-properties and make sure alsa is selected for output
[05:40] <ubuntu-itis> Quinn_Storm: the slider on the vol ctrl on the desktop keeps going back to botom. I use gnome destop. Should I apt install ESD or like ?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: to open an iso,  mount -o loop file.iso /mnt ; cd /mnt ; ls
[05:40] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu-itis: actually that sounds like the gnome desktop vol control can't contact the mixer
[05:40] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu-itis: try running a mixer app to see if you can change anything from it
[05:40] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, how can i add files to an ISO, and make it back into an ISO?
[05:40] <arthur> hey all, is there any version of QUicktime for Linux?  Just curious.
[05:41] <linuzo> is there a command I can type to install a development tools with one command??
[05:41] <libben> anyone http://www.pastebin.com/266527 / hdparm Q
[05:41] <Quinn_Storm> arthur: I believe you can use the windows quicktime dll's somehow, but I'm not certain
[05:41] <libben> think i got it down
[05:41] <LinuxJones> arthur, there are codecs from the mplayer site that most folks use for playback
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: once it's mounted, I suppose add the files, use mkisofs to make an ISO, burn
[05:41] <Quinn_Storm> arthur: of course that's only for x86
[05:41] <phobosanger> hello i have a very strage problem ....  i had a power failer today and since then every time i try to brawes the internet ( if it with KONQ or FIREFO) my sys get stuck ...
[05:41] <phobosanger> what sould i look for ? how can i find the problem ?
[05:41] <phobosanger> should*
[05:42] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, can it be done with ark or the archive manager?
[05:42] <ubuntu-itis> Quinn_Storm: From the searching I been doing, none of the apps I run can find mixer or DSP. almost like /dev/? is not there or something.  running ubuntu 4.10
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: I haven't done it, but if you google for "remaster ISO" or "morphix remaster" you'll find info on making bootable ISO systems
[05:43] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu-itis: not sure what to say
[05:43] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: I believe the nautils file manager makes an ISO before burning files as well
[05:43] <thoreauputic> *nautilus
[05:43] <Extreme> I need to configure X again on UBUNTU: how can i manage with that?
[05:43] <t3h_j4n> The naughty-lis
[05:43] <Extreme> Is there any command to do that?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: the boot mechanism normally requires an el torito boot image
[05:44] <ubuntu-itis> dpkg --reconfigure Xfree86 ?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:44] <LinuxJones> Extreme, you running warty or hoary ?
[05:45] <ubuntu-itis> Extreme: or just hack /etc/X11/XF86config
[05:45] <ubuntu-itis> thanks thoreauputic.  :)
[05:45] <Extreme> ubuntu-itis : i ll try
[05:45] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis: no, XF86Config-4
[05:45] <Extreme> ;)
[05:46] <Freezer|> cat: /proc/pci: No such file or directory??? I just want to know what driver is installed for my ATI Radeon 9000 (ubuntu 5.04).
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Freezer|: lsmod
[05:46] <thoreauputic> and lspci
[05:47] <Freezer|> I am reading the HowTo for installing the gflrx driver http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:47] <ubuntu-itis> If I download and hack/compile an app from src, how do I turn that into an ubuntu/debian package ?
[05:47] <LinuxJones> Freezer|, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
[05:47] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis:  use checkinstall
[05:47] <ubuntu-itis> checkinstall ?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis: it replaces " make install" and makes and installs a deb
[05:48] <Infie> is there a doc for nvidia/ati cards on ubuntu?
[05:48] <paulproteus> thoreauputic: It actually "wraps around" make install.
[05:48] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install checkinstall
[05:48] <Freezer|> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
[05:48] <paulproteus> Freezer|: The BinaryDriverHowto.
[05:48] <Dreamer3> does nvidia due dual-head easily?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: OK - but the *command* replaces "make install"
[05:49] <paulproteus> thoreauputic: Okay. :)
[05:49] <Dreamer3> *do
[05:49] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: we're both right ;-)
[05:50] <ubuntu-itis> never heard of it. I'm trying to add to the ubunt deb repository with some software I think might be worthwhile. Least I can do after spending time getting it going. :)
[05:52] <ubuntu-itis> thoreauputic: like vlc 0.8.1 as ubuntu version is old and broken.
[05:52] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis: for that you need more sophisticated tools
[05:52] <Extreme> Is there a command to change the mouse from a ps/2 to usb?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis: I don't know enough to help with genuine packaging
[05:53] <aCilnv> hi guys , any of you know whether netgear usb wifi adapter : WG111T works under ubuntu with ndiswrapper ? i got the driver loaded but the wlan0 device don't show up .. any ideas ?? plz
[05:53] <ubuntu-itis> thoreauputic: no probs. My current main dilema is getting Lmule to stop crashing. Hehehe...
[05:53] <Anubis> http://blog.andrew.net.au/2005/04/03#my_future
[05:53] <Extreme> hey lads, how to change the mouse in the X configuration? Which command?
[05:54] <libben> should i add this to my xorg.conf... even if i have nvidia-glx installed and nvidia-settings ?
[05:54] <thoreauputic> Extreme: just plugging in an USB mouse should work immediately
[05:54] <libben>  Option          "RenderAccel"           "true"
[05:54] <libben>         Option          "NvAGP"                 "1"
[05:54] <thoreauputic> Extreme: if not, something's wrong with your system
[05:54] <linuzo> anyone know what software to use for webcam??????????
[05:54] <Dreamer3> linuzo: gnome-meeting?
[05:55] <Dreamer3> anyone using nvidia dual-head?
[05:55] <ubuntu-itis> linuzo, Try camserv
[05:55] <Extreme> thoreauputic: if i plug the mouse it doesn t work, there is still the old PS2 loaded
[05:55] <Extreme> :|
[05:55] <ubuntu-itis> Dreamer3: soon as I work out how to install latest NVIDIA driver.  :)
[05:55] <linuzo> ubuntu-itis, can I install that with apt-get or should I build it?
[05:56] <Quinn_Storm> the usb would work if your x configuration is pointed to /dev/input/mice
[05:56] <libben> what is nautilus burn:/// i mean... i hear ppl ask about how to burn dvd's and cd's... and then there is a installed cd-dvd burner program
[05:56] <thoreauputic> Extreme: I can plug a USB mouse in while the ps2 mouse is working, and both work fine
[05:56] <ubuntu-itis> linuzo, apt-get.  Do an apt-cache search webcam to see what you can use.
[05:56] <Dreamer3> ubuntu-itis: i'm going to transplant the MX440 dual-head from my old server when i get my uncles PC setup
[05:56] <linuzo> ubuntu-itis, thanks
[05:56] <Dreamer3> ubuntu-itis: then i'll just need to find the displays
[05:57] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: Arggh! The mx440 sucked
[05:57] <thoreauputic> Extreme: something is wrong with your Ubuntu if that doesn't work
[05:57] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i have one with DDR, it's not so bad :)
[05:57] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: and dual-head :)
[05:57] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: besides, i don't play games
[05:58] <thoreauputic> Extreme: I just this minute plugged a USN mouse in to check
[05:58] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I'm jaded. I ran one for a few years, and I SWEAR the GF2 ran faster
[05:58] <thoreauputic> *USB
[05:58] <ubuntu-itis> Dreamer3: there is a Ximerama howto somewhere in /usr/share. Dig there as a starting point otherwise look at he NVIDIA readme off the nvidia web site for the linux IA32 driver.
[05:58] <Freezer|> I am asked to "Use kernel framebuffer device interface"? I am not sure what I should select. I just want to get more speed with the fglrx-driver :-)
[05:58] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: shrugs
[05:58] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i never had a GF2 :)
[05:58] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: my alptops savage is great for 2d, i'm sure my mx440 is way faster :)
[05:59] <ska-fan> Freezer|: no
[05:59] <Freezer|> ok
[05:59] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: *ahem* You're right, you DON'T play games
[05:59] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: :)
[05:59] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i think 400fpx glxgears with me savage (DRI) is great
[05:59] <ska-fan> ubuntu yet has a good way to go to be as good as fedora
[06:00] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: how so?
[06:00] <Kamakazie> What do i need to add to a CD to make it bootable, if its a dos program like Windows Setup?
[06:00] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: i switched from debian testing and find ubuntu (even warty) great
[06:00] <ubuntu-itis> t3h_j4n: I gave up and went for FX5200, then learnt better and switched to FX5900XT   :)
[06:00] <LinuxJones> ubuntu-itis, I have a FX5200 and it sucks :P
[06:01] <t3h_j4n> ubuntu-itis: Lol. I switched over to ATi cause of HL2, now I run an X700
[06:01] <ubuntu-itis> Dreamer3: Ubuntu has made me a debian fan. ( Finally )
[06:01] <k-s> hello, does someone runs mldonkey-server from ubuntu? It doesn't work here
[06:01] <solidape> how do install something from a *.deb file?
[06:01] <Dreamer3> ubuntu-itis: i've always been a debian fan :)
[06:01] <Tomcat_> Dreamer3: sudo dpkg -i bleh.deb
[06:01] <ska-fan> Dreamer3: I switched from Fedora Core 3. At first I was grateful that muine was readily available. Now it crashes.
[06:01] <Dreamer3> ubuntu-itis: but i liked the idea of more polish, newer apps, not having to get updates every day (testing) to stay up to date, etc
[06:01] <k-s> it starts, but isn't' working as expected... I telnet to it @ 4001, but it dies... kmldonkey cannot connect...
[06:01] <ubuntu-itis> LinuxJones: Thats why I wen FX5900XT  :)
[06:01] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis: re: packaging - vlc is in universe - I suggest if you want to contribute a package you ask in #ubuntu-motu  (Masters of the Universe )  ;)
[06:01] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: rebuild it?
[06:02] <DeMi> wole!
[06:02] <Kamakazie> Anyone plz help me
[06:02] <Quinn_Storm> odd, the vlc I have from (I think) universe is 0.8.1
[06:02] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: not every single package can be packged the same between distros :)
[06:02] <ubuntu-itis> thoreauputic: sweet.  :)
[06:02] <ska-fan> Dreamer3: Then I read about Xinerama a few lines above. Fedora has a simple tool for that. It has a checkbox "Enable second monitor" and that's it.
[06:02] <ska-fan> No questions about whether I want to use the kernel framebuffer device.
[06:02] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: i'm not a big fan of simple tools :)
[06:02] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: but i understand why most people are
[06:02] <ska-fan> I am.
[06:03] <t3h_j4n> BAH! Windows 98 IS SO SLOW!
[06:03] <ska-fan> I just want that damn machine to work, that's all.
[06:03] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: i quit using redhat years ago because while simple tools were great when something broke (And it often did) simple tools didn't fix it
[06:03] <ubuntu-itis> Quinn_Storm, I'm running warty. vlc - 0.7.2
[06:03] <ska-fan> Fedora has worked for me.
[06:03] <LinuxJones> ska-fan, Ubuntu is only like 6 months old RedHat's been around for a long time :)
[06:03] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: i setup a config file once with debian and it never breaks, so i'm sold
[06:03] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: if it works, keep using it :)
[06:03] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu-itis: ah, there's your problem...if you want newer software run the newer release (hoary)
[06:03] <Kamakazie> So I have all the files for a windows CD on a disk, but its not an ISO, how how Do i make it boot?
[06:03] <Kamakazie> anyone plz
[06:04] <john> bonjour
[06:04] <ska-fan> Kamakazie: #windows-cracks
[06:04] <Dreamer3> ok
[06:04] <ubuntu-itis> Quinn_Storm, What apt-sources changes do I make so I can do an apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[06:04] <t3h_j4n> john: that's a keeper: john says: "bonjour:
[06:04] <john> je m'apprte  partir dans un install de la ubuntu 64 dans quelques min
[06:04] <Dreamer3> cron launches my getmail script, but it uses two shells, can i make it one?
[06:04] <t3h_j4n> john: er... yes
[06:05] <john> oups it's in english
[06:05] <t3h_j4n> john: rofl
[06:05] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu-itis: just change warty to hoary
[06:05] <Dreamer3> it has sh ~/bin/getmail to invoke the script then i see /bin/bash ~/bin/getmail as well
[06:05] <Dreamer3> it really only needs one termainl
[06:05] <ubuntu-itis> Oh, and how do I tell what version of app is installed with apt ?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis: apt-cache policy <package>
[06:06] <Kamakazie> haha ska-fan thats not a real chan and even if it was there gunna be using windows
[06:06] <ska-fan> Kamakazie: Really?
[06:07] <FreezerX> Yeah, the fglrx driver is much better
[06:07] <Dreamer3> ok
[06:07] <Kamakazie> how can i make a cdrom boot under dos?
[06:07] <Dreamer3> i need to spend some quality time with my kitty, then shower, then work :) i'll be back later :)
[06:07] <Dreamer3> *Smiels*
[06:07] <Dreamer3> bye bye
[06:07] <Dreamer3> AFK
[06:07] <ubuntu-itis> thoreauputic, thanks.
[06:08] <Kamakazie> Can anyone plz help me
[06:08] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: we've told you : el torito ( in fact you were told some time ago)
[06:08] <thoreauputic> and you don't need dos to make it bootable
[06:09] <libben> I need a name for a ftp client that use SSL and a GUI =)
[06:09] <libben> anything to recomend?
[06:09] <randabis> hmm, the 2.6.11 kernel packages seem pretty solid so far
[06:09] <Quinn_Storm> libben: can't you just type sftp:/whatever into nautilus?
[06:09] <Infie> bleh. can't get non gnome applications to see my sound
[06:09] <thoreauputic> libben: I believe gftp will use sftp
[06:11] <Infie> gftp can use sftp
[06:11] <Infie> but it can be a pain getting it to do so sometimes
[06:11] <libben> Connected to fnutt.org:1239
[06:12] <libben> 220 FTP server ready.
[06:12] <libben> USER libben
[06:12] <libben> 504 TLS/SSL is mandatory.
[06:12] <libben> Disconnecting from site fnutt.org
[06:12] <libben> grrr
[06:12] <libben>  =)
[06:12] <libben> shit... gotta run
[06:12] <paulproteus> SFTP and "FTP with SSL" are very different things.
[06:12] <paulproteus> SFTP is over SSH.
[06:12] <ubuntu-itis> Nite ppl and thanks heaps.
[06:12] <Quinn_Storm> well then ftp via ssl would be ftps?
[06:13] <Xappe> so, they've fixed the bug with volumes mounted in /media not showing up on the desktop/places menu? they suddenly appeared today when I booted my computer
[06:13] <libben> PM me about clients that works with ssl
[06:13] <Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: sftp
[06:14] <Myrtti> no, sorry
[06:14] <Infie> what package contains mp3 decoder?
[06:14] <karim> Cannot launch icon
[06:14] <karim> Details: Failed to fork (Cannot allocate memory)
[06:14] <linuzo> anyone have vicam working on ubuntu?
[06:14] <karim> I got that error when I try to run an app
[06:15] <karim> it works from command line however
[06:16] <etzerd> how are you doing guys
[06:16] <abelli> ciao there
[06:16] <etzerd> I install ubuntu this morning trust me I like what I see
[06:16] <abelli> ciao there
[06:16] <etzerd> one problem I have
[06:16] <etzerd> I  cannot play DVD
[06:17] <abelli> is there any burning app that lets you create mixed mode cds?
[06:17] <etzerd> I do not know how to install  win32-codecs and libddss if anyone can help me I will be very apprecaite
[06:17] <Quinn_Storm> etzerd: they are both in the marillat repository I think...I know I have them from somewhere...
[06:17] <abelli> etzerd: system -> admnistration -> synaptic package manager
[06:18] <Xappe> etzerd: have you tried using VLC? it's a nice media app
[06:18] <linuzo> etzerd, sudo apt-get install win32-codecs
[06:18] <Quinn_Storm> my dad actually likes vlc for windows
[06:19] <Xappe> Quinn_Storm: well, you get rid of the windows codec hell by using VLC. And it IS an excellent media player
[06:19] <Kamakazie> CAn anyone please help me, i want to make a bootable cd that can start windows setup from dadta on the same disk
[06:20] <thoreauputic> etzerd: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats  and http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:20] <thoreauputic> linuzo: that's w32codecs, and you need the restricted repos
[06:21] <linuzo> thoreauputic, yeah well then he should read the forums..
[06:21] <ska-fan> How do I change the mouse cursor size under X?
[06:22] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: have you tried any of the suggestions we've made? have you googled for them? Have you visited the morphix site? Have you done anything except repeat your plea?
[06:22] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, I have been googling, no one has suggested anything
[06:23] <PacoBCN> hi guys, do you know about some good dns servers I can use for free? the onces give by my isp are too slow
[06:23] <paulproteus> PacoBCN: Yes.
[06:23] <paulproteus> <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:23] <Infie> When ubuntu starts up, esd is obviously started- which is ok
[06:23] <paulproteus> That's from the University of Rochester.
[06:23] <paulproteus> PacoBCN: <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:23] <PacoBCN> paulproteus, thanks, dude
[06:23] <paulproteus> That's from the Johns Hopkins University.
[06:23] <Infie> But some applications do not use esd, and thus cannot get to the soundcard
[06:23] <Kamakazie> I have the files and I have an ISO, the ISO is bootable, but i need to add the other files to the ISO so i can boot the cd and access the dos apps fro the same cd
[06:23] <paulproteus> Two should be enough.
[06:23] <Infie> because esd has it
[06:24] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: 19 el torito 2) morphix 3) nautilus burner ... I'm sure I've missed a few
[06:24] <PacoBCN> I love this channel :)
[06:24] <hybrid> <3
[06:24] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: you were also told how to mount an ISO file
[06:24] <PacoBCN> paulproteus, I can already see the difference, thanks
[06:24] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, none of those can help me, Morphix is a live linux cd, htf can that help in anyway?
[06:24] <paulproteus> My pleasure.
[06:25] <Kamakazie> I can open the ISO just fine in Archive Manager
[06:25] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: it can help because the docs tell you how to make abootable CD, ffs
[06:25] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: use some brain power, please
[06:25] <Kamakazie> it needs to be more than bootable, it needs to be able to run a windows installer
[06:25] <LinuxJones> lol
[06:26] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, you dont understand the problem
[06:26] <LinuxJones> Kamakazie, ask in a Microsoft help channel dude or check google
[06:26] <Myrtti> well then you need the windows install cd
[06:26] <Kamakazie> OMG
[06:26] <Kamakazie> I have the windows install CD
[06:26] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: you haven't articulated the problem correctly then
[06:26] <Kamakazie> like I said
[06:26] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, its hard to explain
[06:27] <Myrtti> well, its hard to help
[06:27] <Kamakazie> I have a folder, inside it has all the files on a windows XP disk, but i dunno how to make the files into a bootable CD
[06:28] <kain> Kamakazie, is that an ubuntu topic?
[06:28] <Kamakazie> Yes
[06:28] <LinuxJones> Kamakazie, why do you have all the files in a directory. Just use the XP disk that you purchased !
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: which is why I suggested you look for info on remastering bootable CDs, and find out about el torito
[06:28] <Kamakazie> Cause i need to do it in Ubuntu
[06:29] <Kamakazie> I looked at el torito, its not for that
[06:29] <kain> in windows you need a couple of utilities, in ubuntu I think you must use makeisofs with some particular flag
[06:29] <kain> dunno them for windows
[06:29] <Kamakazie> that doesnt help
[06:29] <thoreauputic> kain: he was told about mkisofs about an hour ago...
[06:29] <Kamakazie> Im not in windows
[06:29] <Kamakazie> No I wasnt
[06:30] <kain> well ok
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: the logs say you were
[06:30] <Kamakazie> Why use mkisofs when i can use a front end like k3b?
[06:30] <Kamakazie> no they don't
[06:30] <t3h_j4n> does anyone know a good site for some introductory stuff to linux?
[06:30] <LinuxJones> t3h_j4n, www.tldp.org
[06:30] <Kamakazie> Cause I allready know about it, thats not where im confused, im confused in making the damn ISO bootable and able to run a dos exe
[06:31] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: depends.. for cli  tuxfiles.org is good
[06:31] <ska-fan> Kamakazie: you can run a dos exe with dosbox
[06:31] <LinuxJones> t3h_j4n, have fun there is several hundreds of hours of reading there :)
[06:31] <t3h_j4n> thanks lots
[06:31] <t3h_j4n> Lol!
[06:31] <Kamakazie> ska-fan, how?
[06:31] <Extreme> If  Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice" is written on /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 it means the USB mouse should work even with the Ps2 plugged in ?
[06:31] <LinuxJones> t3h_j4n, for Ubuntu related stuff www.ubuntuguide.org answere alot of common questions
[06:31] <jordanau> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/
[06:31] <Kamakazie> Im talking about a windows installer
[06:31] <jordanau> ahh i was late
[06:32] <t3h_j4n> The Linux Documentation Project? Someone has their work cut out for them!
[06:32] <t3h_j4n> thanks jordanau, that might cut down on some of my searching time
[06:32] <t3h_j4n> :)
[06:32] <Kamakazie> there must be some way to make thios folder into a working windows XP boot cd
[06:32] <jordanau> t3h_j4n, take the time to read that and it will help you a ton, i read most of it the night before i installed ubuntu
[06:33] <t3h_j4n> yay! that's exactly the kind of help I'm looking for
[06:33] <kain> mkisofs -A "Windows XP SP2" -D -N -J -b XPBOOT.BIN -c XPBOOT.CAT -no-emul-boot -o xpsp2.iso xpsp2
[06:33] <kain> well, maybe it can work, or not
[06:33] <kain> before cp -p XPBOOT.BIN xpsp2
[06:33] <jordanau> t3h_j4n, then you understand all of the things you are doing when configuring and you can actually learn from it as opposed to copy and pasting commands into bash
[06:34] <kain> I've found something here
[06:34] <kain> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:anxuyvhg_hQJ:www.bsddiary.net/d/200408.html+bootable+windows+iso+mkisofs&hl=it&client=firefox
[06:34] <kain> japanese Kamakazie
[06:34] <kain> but commands are there
[06:34] <t3h_j4n> jordanau: *nods*, yeah, if you do that, you just feel like a newb
[06:34] <LinuxJones> Kamakazie, just buy a copy of windows XP if you want to run it dude
[06:35] <t3h_j4n> jordanau: I AM a newb (to linux anyway) but I don't want to feel like one :)
[06:35] <Kamakazie> \that would be helpful if i was running windows
[06:35] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: he's doing some kind of corporatised disc
[06:35] <abelli> sorry ppl is there any gui-drivern application (in ubuntu repos) that lets you burn mixed mode ?
[06:36] <ska-fan> Kamakazie: http://ska-fan.homelinux.org/~twanger/dosbox.png
[06:36] <PecK> Does anyone know about free/feed mp3 hosting for webcasting?
[06:36] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, I'm sure he is :)
[06:36] <Kamakazie> LinuxJones, I have allready said this numerous times, I did BUY it, please pay attention to what is actually going on before gracing us with your vast knowlage
[06:36] <PecK> instead of using a flash player, use server tools
[06:37] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: your sarcasm is misplaced and inappropriate
[06:37] <Kamakazie> go away
[06:37] <Kamakazie> Dont wanna help then dont
[06:37] <Kamakazie> ignore
[06:37] <LinuxJones> Kamakazie, wtf would you mess about with building your own .iso if you have the disk already....I missed that part
[06:37] <blueyed> Is anyone aware of powernow-k8? I get errors in dmesg.. (transitions frequency failed)..
[06:37] <Kamakazie> I allready said
[06:37] <Extreme> If  Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice" is written on /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 it means the USB mouse should work even with the Ps2 plugged in ?
[06:38] <Kamakazie> the disk is scratched beyond repair, i made a copy a while back, but i didnt copy right and now i just ended up with the files
[06:38] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: it may have escaped your attention that not everyone has seen your posts, and that some people have arrived after you
[06:38] <Kamakazie> dude stop talking to me
[06:38] <Kamakazie> Now
[06:38] <ska-fan> kids, please.
[06:39] <bassMonkey> do i need to do anything else than "modprobe bt878" to get my tvcard working (pctv pro)? I'm asking because it doesn't... (/dev/video0 doesn't exist) =/
[06:39] <bassMonkey> 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
[06:39] <bassMonkey> 0000:00:0a.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)
[06:39] <whiteknight> Kamakazie, perhaps this might help http://newdos.yginfo.net/msdos71/
[06:39] <LinuxJones> Kamakazie, please leave the irc channel or stop being so rude
[06:39] <Kamakazie> LinuxJones, Now can ya help me out here? I just need to know how I can add something to the dir to make it work and use k3b to make it boot
[06:39] <kain> Kamakazie, pick up your phone and call microsoft to resolve your problem, stop complaining here then, it's a windows problem, not ubuntu problem. people here are trying to help you anyway.
[06:40] <whiteknight> Kamakazie, if you boot dos then swap cds, you'll be able to run the installer
[06:40] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[06:40] <hybrid> LinuxJones: slash ignore
[06:40] <Kamakazie> whiteknight, thx ill try that
[06:40] <bassMonkey> help?
[06:40] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, last warning do not use my name again
[06:40] <kain> otherwise?
[06:40] <ska-fan> bassMonkey: modprobe v4l maybe
[06:41] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: I'll do as I please - ignore me if it bothers you
[06:41] <ska-fan> or videodev
[06:41] <Kamakazie> kain, im running ubuntu my problem is that i dont know how to remaster an ISO in Ubuntu, that is not a windows problem
[06:41] <memnoc> heya.. first time ubuntu user here.. excellent work people, outstanding distro
[06:41] <Kamakazie> fine have it your way kid
[06:41] <kain> Kamakazie, the problem is not ubuntu related, you can have this problem even in yggdrasil
[06:41] <LinuxJones> Kamakazie, don't threaten people here or you will get a ban
[06:42] <bassMonkey> noup, still nothing...
[06:42] <thoreauputic> some people don't understand how open source communities work...
[06:42] <Kamakazie> damn troll
[06:42] <kain> and will never do
[06:42] <Alex|Lappy> Hey thoreauputic
[06:42] <hybrid> thorauputic: open source is a strange concept
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Alex|Lappy: hi :)
[06:42] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, especially when it not an Ubuntu issue :)
[06:42] <memnoc> i have a question.. i'm not that knowledgeable in recent linux distros so i have a fairly poor understanding of apt-get and such, but i wanted to change my installed applications dir to another partition.. how can i do this?
[06:42] <hybrid> creating software for free?
[06:43] <kain> if you have a problem with windows cd, go crying at microsoft, not here because you have those damn windows files on an ubuntu machine
[06:43] <ska-fan> memnoc: got space problems?
[06:43] <kain> and stop being so rude.
[06:44] <memnoc> i'm using Synaptic and updated Ubuntu.. @ska-fan: yea, basically.. i just want to transfer all installed apps to another partition..
[06:45] <deFrysk> memnoc, why the transfer ?
[06:45] <deFrysk> oh space probs
[06:45] <deFrysk> sorry
[06:45] <memnoc> space issues, yea.. is this even possible?
[06:45] <xoxoxo> hello. i run hoary, but in text console only. now i want to install X. pls tell me which packages do i need?
[06:45] <thoreauputic> heh - Kamakazie is ctcp ing - how droll
[06:45] <Quinn_Storm> xoxoxo: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop
[06:46] <kain> thoreauputic, rofl
[06:46] <deFrysk> xoxoxo, or both
[06:46] <t3h_j4n> this is just sad
[06:46] <xoxoxo> Quinn_Storm, wow... ubuntu-desktop asked me to install a lots !!!
[06:46] <Quinn_Storm> xoxoxo: well you want a full desktop right?
[06:47] <EvilIdler> memnoc: Space issues can happen - after having a system eating my 3GB /usr, I readjusted to 15GB. That should last me a few days :)
[06:47] <xoxoxo> but what if i dont want gnome, but only X and some lightweight WM, like fluxbox? any better/faster way to install?
[06:47] <hybrid> cant he use flux or matchbox?
[06:47] <jordanau> t3h_j4n, what is sad?
[06:48] <EvilIdler> xoxoxo: Just get the desktop manager you want, and the related packages for a lightweight window manager
[06:48] <memnoc> hehe well thing is i have ubuntu running on a 3GB HD and just want that for the system exclusivelly.. everything else like programs and my own configs should go on a separate 50GB partition on another HD..
[06:49] <EvilIdler> memnoc: A tip for saving space: link /var/cache/apt/archives to where you have space. That's where packages are downloaded, and it fills up fast during a large upgrade
[06:49] <EvilIdler> memnoc: Perhaps even having a separate /var partition is an idea ;)
[06:50] <nullset> im running warty... id like to goto hoary since its almost done... after hoary is released it will update automatically right?
[06:50] <hybrid> nullset i dont think so
[06:50] <webtoe> Surely you can just set your fstab to mount the /var (or /usr if youo want) directories onto separate hard drives/partitions
[06:51] <nullset> hybrid, hmm ... isnt that the point of debian/ubuntu?
[06:51] <xoxoxo> hmm i have same question. if i upgrade from ubuntu to hoary (using apt-get upgrade), do i lose anything comparing with hoary-fresh-install?
[06:51] <hybrid> nullset what?the point of ubuntu is linux 4 everyone
[06:51] <EvilIdler> nullset: If the base install was Warty, then changing the repository should give you Hoary. Theoretically :)(
[06:51] <xoxoxo> i guess smt will be missing, rite?
[06:51] <vanguardist> heh
[06:52] <memnoc> @EvilIdler: how do i go about doing that (linking /var/cache/apt/archives)?
[06:52] <tombs> hi ppl
[06:52] <EvilIdler> xoxoxo: I think your system might still call itself "Warty version something something" rather than Hoary. At least it did for me when I tried that route
[06:52] <nullset> Whoops... I mean... after I change my repository and do apt-get dist-upgrade so im at release candidate... after hoary is actually released it will update to that next time i do apt-get upgrade right?
[06:52] <hybrid> helloo
[06:52] <hybrid> yea
[06:52] <memnoc> hellooooo la la la hehe
[06:52] <xoxoxo> EvilIdler, i think so. so it is better to install fresh from hoary.
[06:53] <hybrid> you change ur repos then aot-get update then apt-get distupgrade
[06:53] <xoxoxo> i expect this question will be asked many times once hoary out
[06:53] <EvilIdler> memnoc: "mv /var /wherever", "ln -s /wherever/var /"
[06:53] <xoxoxo> hybrid, yes but i guess still smt is missing
[06:53] <hybrid> then after u apt update from there on out it will be strictly hoary
[06:53] <EvilIdler> memnoc: Not 100% sure how mv will treat permissions, but it has worked for me. YMMV etc.
[06:53] <hybrid> xoxoxo : smt?
[06:53] <xoxoxo> btw exactly when hoary out?
[06:54] <xoxoxo> hybrid, i dont know, just guess
[06:54] <EvilIdler> xoxoxo: Soon, possibly
[06:54] <hybrid> xoxoxo: friday
[06:54] <xoxoxo> this weekend ubuntu people would open party ;)
[06:55] <hybrid> lol
[06:55] <hybrid> xoxoxo: this has been a good weekend for ubuntites
[06:55] <xoxoxo> yes, no doubt
[06:56] <hybrid> you know you re a good distro when you beat your mother distro on distrowatch :P you know youre great when you knock mandrake to #2
[06:56] <hybrid> wo0t wo0t
[06:57] <zenrox> lol
[06:57] <alceste> hi
[06:57] <memnoc> EvilIdler: that's just for moving the existing packages, but how do i change it permanently for future upgrades?
[06:57] <hybrid> hello
[06:58] <EvilIdler> memnoc: Moving /var and linking it to the old spot is a one-time operation. /var is more than the apt repository
[06:58] <stpere> hey there
[06:58] <EvilIdler> memnoc: All program logs go there
[06:59] <memnoc> yes, so i should just create a separate /var partition then?
[07:00] <EvilIdler> memnoc: You could do that, but making it a directory linked from your roomy 50GB partition might be better if you're unsure how your space requirements will be
[07:00] <memnoc> that could be the best choice then.. how can i link it permanently to a dir on the 50GB partition?
[07:01] <EvilIdler> memnoc: "mv /var /bigfreakingpartition", "ln -s /bigfreakingpartition/var /"
[07:01] <maxchee> anyone use latex here?
[07:01] <memnoc> hhmm i'll try it out then thanks
[07:01] <BBB> mako, ping
[07:02] <AstralJava> maxchee: A bit, yeah.
[07:02] <hybrid> anyone know a list of good repoes for ppc?
[07:02] <AstralJava> Nothing complex yet, though.
[07:03] <maxchee> AstralJava: any recommendation for a gtk ide for latex?
[07:04] <EvilIdler> maxchee: You could try LyX or KLyX
[07:04] <nubbe> I got a P4, should I stick with linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 or should I try ...10-5-686? Any thoughts?
[07:04] <maxchee> I would prefer if it's just an IDE, instead of a WYSIWYG editor
[07:05] <EvilIdler> maxchee: It's a WYSIWYM editor (what you see is what you mean), and does math
[07:05] <maxchee> With syntax highlighting and tools within one click's reach
[07:05] <LinuxJones> nubbe, you probably won't notice much difference
[07:05] <klarkin> nubbe you can use the 386 and intall 686 and test them out
[07:05] <webtoe> nubbe: only some programs will use the extra instructions from i686
[07:05] <webtoe> notably mplayer
[07:05] <hybrid> EvilIdler what is WYSIWYM? what you see is what you...
[07:05] <klarkin> yep
[07:05] <maxchee> EvilIdler: Well, it's just that with a WYSIWYM editor, you lost one appeal of latex: content/formatting separation
[07:06] <grohk> How do I change my gdm login theme?  the ubuntu people theme removed the option to configure the themes.
[07:06] <maxchee> hybrid: mean
[07:06] <thoreauputic> hybrid:  "mean"
[07:06] <hybrid> oo
[07:06] <AstralJava> maxchee: Sorry, I've just used a simple text editor, can't help you there.
[07:06] <nubbe> oki, so there are no big stability ptobs then, maybe I'll try, thanks
[07:06] <EvilIdler> webtoe: The kernel shouldn't affect what instructions MPlayer uses, should it?
[07:07] <klarkin> just use custom mplayer
[07:07] <webtoe> no
[07:08] <klarkin> why
[07:08] <klarkin> i always use and it works fine
[07:08] <webtoe> evilIdler: sorry thought he would be using i686 stuff as well
[07:08] <noname> hi!
[07:08] <webtoe> bit used to compiling everything from source...
[07:08] <webtoe> opps
[07:08] <hybrid> hello
[07:09] <webtoe> i'll pay more attention to what people are saying next time
[07:09] <noname> anybody knows if Creative Muvo V200  is compatible with ubuntu?
[07:09] <alceste> hmm... i'm experiencing a kernel panic (caused by gam_server) on two machines that i've just dist-upgraded from Debian Sid to Ubuntu
[07:09] <alceste> the problem is like <https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6849>, but i'm experiencing it with the latest 2.6.11-1-k7 and 2.6.11-1-686 linux images
[07:10] <alceste> am i the only one? :-)
[07:11] <alceste> and since i'm using two somewhat hybrid systems, should i report the bug on the Ubunt bugzilla?
[07:11] <Albacker> checking for GLIB - version >= 2.4.5... no
[07:11] <Albacker> *** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
[07:11] <Albacker> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[07:11] <Albacker> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed.
[07:11] <Albacker> configure: error: Test for GLIB failed. See the file 'INSTALL' for help.
[07:11] <klarkin> why dosn't ubuntu come with alsaconf
[07:11] <Albacker> Hey,which package do I need ?
[07:11] <Albacker> I installed the libglib
[07:12] <EvilIdler> alceste: You should do a clean install on one system first. The hybrid-upgrade will leave some old packages from the Debian system
[07:13] <Albacker> ?
[07:13] <EvilIdler> Albacker: apt-get install libglib2.0-dev
[07:13] <alceste> EvilIdler: yeah, i know, but i was wondering whether it could be important for a kernel-related bug report
[07:13] <Albacker> EvilIdler, Thanks
[07:14] <EvilIdler> alceste: I've tried some hybrid upgrades myself these past few days, and they've just not gone well. Can't really tell if it's kernel or other that's the problem with those :/
[07:14] <dabeej> anyone, anyone have any idea how to get quicktime movies working in my browser, anyone
[07:15] <dabeej> mozplugger didn't work, i said could not find a plugin for it which i don't understand why not
[07:15] <alceste> EvilIdler: if i just pass the "noinotify" option to the kernel, i have 2 hybrid upgrades gone well :-)
[07:16] <EvilIdler> alceste: Lucky you :)
[07:17] <alceste> EvilIdler: (hmmm... well, 3 hybrid upgrades gone well, counting one that still uses a plain Debian kernel)
[07:18] <hybrid> where is a good place to d/l .deb packackages besides apt and synaptic?
[07:19] <Albacker> EvilIdler,  checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.4.4... no
[07:19] <Albacker> *** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...
[07:19] <Albacker>
[07:19] <Albacker> EvilIdler, what to do now ?
[07:19] <swazo> congrats beating mandrake on distrowatch
[07:20] <apokryphos> swazo: nice, but it means nothing ;-)
[07:20] <EvilIdler> Albacker: Same procedure. You need -dev packages to do development/compilation
[07:20] <Albacker> EvilIdler, thanks
[07:20] <EvilIdler> Albacker: Prolly something like libgtk2.0-dev
[07:21] <Arnia> Anyone else had issues with python-nautilus in Hoary?
[07:27] <knucks> ok so heres my question
[07:28] <knucks> is there a way i can reinstall ubuntu yet keep the 10gb of files i NEED?
[07:28] <Zugot> if i have an amd64, and i want to run a 32bit linux, what arch should i chose?   k7 or 686?
[07:28] <Zugot> er choose
[07:28] <Marble2> knucks: different partitions?
[07:28] <knucks> ugh i have bad luck with partitions
[07:28] <EvilIdler> knucks: If you have put your important files in /home, simply don't format it
[07:28] <lok> Zugot, you want to run in 32bit or run one progs in 32bits ?
[07:29] <EvilIdler> knucks: Pen and paper to the rescue :)
[07:29] <knucks> EvilIdler - how do i do that?
[07:29] <knucks> right now everything I NEEd is in home
[07:29] <Marble2> back it up to a different partition or drive
[07:29] <whiteknight> knucks, is /home a seperate partion?
[07:30] <johso> hiya peeps
[07:30] <knucks> i dont know?
[07:30] <knucks> how do i check
[07:30] <EvilIdler> knucks: If /home is a separate partition, like it should, you're fine with just reinstalling and NOT formatting. The installer is hard to do anything wrong in, if you read carefully.
[07:30] <whiteknight> knucks, look in /etc/fstab
[07:30] <EvilIdler> knucks: The command "df" should tell you what you have, or /etc/fstab
[07:30] <johso> got a laptop here, but I don't think the soundcard is configured right - if I play music I can't hear my Gaim sounds, for example...
[07:30] <Zugot> lok: i want to run x86 linux
[07:30] <Zugot> so should i use k7?
[07:31] <EvilIdler> Zugot: If there's no K8 32-bit, pick K7
[07:31] <Zugot> ah thanks
[07:31] <EvilIdler> Zugot: Provided you actually have an AMD ;)
[07:31] <knucks> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[07:31] <knucks> /dev/hdc1            153345060  18617836 126937712  13% /
[07:31] <knucks> tmpfs                   258248         0    258248   0% /dev/shm
[07:31] <knucks> /dev                 153345060  18617836 126937712  13% /.dev
[07:31] <knucks> none                      5120      2888      2232  57% /dev
[07:31] <Zugot> i just removed the 586 mplayer and got installed the k7 one
[07:31] <Zugot> much much much better
[07:31] <EvilIdler> knucks: Looks like partitions are a foreign concept on that system ;)
[07:31] <Zugot> i can't install amd64 ubuntu yet
[07:31] <Zugot> my vpn software doesn't work with it
[07:31] <whiteknight> knucks, you've got everything on one partion
[07:32] <knucks> yeah
[07:32] <EvilIdler> Zugot: Proprietary or something with actual source available?
[07:32] <Marble2> knucks: get some dvd-r's
[07:32] <Zugot> EvilIdler: something with source available... vpnc
[07:32] <knucks> Marble2: yeah i got some..i was hoping it wouldnt have to come to that\
[07:32] <whiteknight> knucks, unless you have a 10gb of spare disk space on another partion
[07:33] <knucks> well..
[07:33] <knucks> hm
[07:33] <knucks> i can make a partition
[07:33] <EvilIdler> knucks: It's a good thing, though; you'll now do a backup to semi-permanent media, which is one backup more than most do ;)
[07:33] <knucks> ive got about 120gb free
[07:33] <RanXiaodong> Hi ,all ,I need some help,but I have a poor English.Who can help me?
[07:34] <whiteknight> RanXiaodong, what is your problem?
[07:34] <dockane> RanXiaodong, i'll try. just ask
[07:34] <apokryphos> RanXiaodong: language?
[07:34] <Dreamer3> ok, i undock my laptop, bring it to work and dock it... and ubuntu still things it's running on battery?
[07:34] <RanXiaodong> zh_CN
[07:34] <dockane> Dreamer3, what laptop is it ?
[07:34] <Dreamer3> dockane: ibm thinkpad t22?
[07:35] <warty> hey!
[07:35] <RanXiaodong> yesterday ,I install xfce4.2 ,but i don't use Right-click
[07:35] <warty> does someone knows about kde problem playing mp3s???
[07:35] <dockane> dockane, i am running ubuntu on a t21
[07:35] <warty> mp3s and kde!
[07:35] <warty> help!!!
[07:35] <warty> hey!
[07:35] <warty> someone!
[07:35] <warty> !ping
[07:35] <RanXiaodong> and run xfdesktop
[07:35] <dockane> Dreamer3, i am running hoary on a t21
[07:35] <warty_> hey you
[07:35] <Dreamer3> dockane: hmmmmmmm
[07:36] <Dreamer3> dockane: i have hoary as well
[07:36] <RanXiaodong> output ** (xfdesktop:8580): CRITICAL **: XfceDesktopMenu init failed (The XfceDesktopMenu module could not be loaded: /usr/lib/xfce4/modules/xfce4_desktop_menu.so: undefined symbol: quit)
[07:36] <Dreamer3> dockane: i didn't suspend it or anything, i just carry it to work, becaues suspend resume has never worked right with linux, so i don't try it anymore
[07:36] <warty> hey!
[07:36] <warty> someone!, help!!!
[07:36] <RanXiaodong> ** (xfdesktop:8580): WARNING **: xfdesktop: Unable to initialise menu module. Right-click menu will be unavailable.
[07:36] <warty> linux!, help!
[07:36] <apokryphos> warty: please stop flooding the channel
[07:36] <apokryphos> warty: post your question and we'll see if someone can
[07:36] <dockane> Dreamer3, have got similiar experience with suspend
[07:37] <robin_> hi, Gaim is not shown up anymore in the systray, and when I click the 'X' button it really exit Gaim
[07:37] <EvilIdler> warty: Specify the problem a bit more
[07:37] <Dreamer3> dockane: i can't find the acpi stuff under /sys, am i looking in the wrong place?
[07:37] <robin_> i'm running 5.04
[07:37] <warty> you dont want!, flood!, then help!
[07:37] <dockane> Dreamer3, do you have a 2nd battery for you ultra bay ?
[07:37] <Dreamer3> dockane: i do at home, not with me
[07:37] <RanXiaodong> dockane: xfce4.2 qustion ,** (xfdesktop:8580): CRITICAL **: XfceDesktopMenu init failed (The XfceDesktopMenu module could not be loaded: /usr/lib/xfce4/modules/xfce4_desktop_menu.so: undefined symbol: quit)
[07:37] <apokryphos> warty: NO. You post your question, and you'll see if someone can help. No-one can help without knowing the problem
[07:37] <RanXiaodong> ** (xfdesktop:8580): WARNING **: xfdesktop: Unable to initialise menu module. Right-click menu will be unavailable.
[07:37] <warty> im running fedora core 3, with kde 3.3
[07:37] <dockane> Dreamer3, what do you do at home ?
[07:38] <warty> but!, somehow! kde does not play mp3s!
[07:38] <thoreauputic> warty: hard to help unless you give some details: umm /join #fedora ?
[07:38] <EvilIdler> warty: This is #ubuntu.
[07:38] <lok> you're on #ubuntu here
[07:38] <warty> i downloaded! the xmms with mp3s capabilities
[07:38] <lok>  /join #fedora ?
[07:38] <dockane> RanXiaodong, sorry not a single idea
[07:38] <warty> but the mp3s doesnt play!
[07:38] <robin_> warty: get lost
[07:38] <kain> lol
[07:38] <warty> what could be!!!!
[07:38] <Dreamer3> dockane: huh?
[07:38] <Zugot> today, i'm gonna get my k3b working with mp3
[07:38] <apokryphos> warty: You're in the wrong channel; please stay on topic if you intend to keep posting here.
[07:38] <fissy> if they wouldn't play in windows warty, would you also ask here?
[07:38] <Dreamer3> dockane: i go back and forth between work and home, have two docks, usually do'nt use the second battery
[07:38] <EvilIdler> RanXiaodong: Have you installed an xfmenu4 or similar package?
[07:39] <RanXiaodong> dockane: you are welcome ,Thanks ,I think I can do it !
[07:39] <dockane> Dreamer3,  ah i see. well acpi is maybe in /dev ?
[07:39] <robin_> join #ubuntu_for_kiddies
[07:39] <warty> ???
[07:39] <Dreamer3> dockane: it is... and /proc/acpi clearly shows the battery as charging
[07:39] <RanXiaodong> EvilIdler: no
[07:39] <warty> ok!, im goint to fedora!
[07:39] <warty> channel!
[07:39] <warty> see ya!
[07:40] <RanXiaodong> EvilIdler: I ,don't install it
[07:40] <fissy> muppet
[07:40] <robin_> LOL
[07:40] <apokryphos> hey! don't! say! thatt!
[07:40] <apokryphos> !!
[07:40] <Dreamer3> dockane: ok, i reloaded the applet and it "got it"... now to see if the HD will quit spinning down
[07:40] <dockane> Dreamer3, may 1st and biggest problem is speed stepping. hoary keeps my p3 800 on 645 and or 800 Mhz even in mobile use
[07:40] <dockane> *my
[07:41] <Dreamer3> dockane: yeah, i don't use speedstepping
[07:41] <robin_> Anyone got an idea about my missing Gaim icon in systray ?
[07:41] <EvilIdler> RanXiaodong: Maybe it's in xfld-desktop?
[07:43] <Dreamer3> dockane: ok, i'm guessing that /etc/acpi/power.sh runs on the change of event when i unplug it, but for some reason it doesn't work correctly when i plug it back in
[07:44] <Dreamer3> dockane: running /etc/acpi/power.sh as room seems to have fixed it
[07:44] <Dreamer3> dockane: intersting
[07:44] <Dreamer3> OK
[07:44] <Dreamer3> now if anyone can help me with "Brown screen" on hoary
[07:45] <RanXiaodong> EvilIdler: Now,What do I do?
[07:46] <johso> how do I configure my sound?
[07:46] <EvilIdler> RanXiaodong: If installing xfld-desktop doesn't help, I'm out of ideas
[07:46] <Dreamer3> ah, it sucks to be without networking
[07:47] <Dreamer3> how long you think i could disaple an athlon XP fan without it melting down?
[07:48] <Dreamer3> dockane: i don't think speedstepping is supported on our laptops yet...
[07:48] <apokryphos> johso: I think it was gnome-volume-control on GNOME
[07:48] <Dreamer3> dockane: i know it's not on mine...
[07:48] <RanXiaodong> EvilIdler: Your means,I install xfld-desktop ,it's ok^?
[07:48] <Xappe> ok, I was wrong about the /media bug
[07:48] <EvilIdler> RanXiaodong: I can't guarantee it helps, but it's worth a try :/
[07:48] <Zugot> my amd based laptop has some fort of speedsteeping
[07:49] <Zugot> form
[07:49] <RanXiaodong> EvilIdler: ok,thanks ,and now I quit and do itthanks,very much
[07:50] <awb4422> i'm using hoary, and obviously evolution 2.2. Every single time I check my email, I get a warning about a certificate. This has never happened in any previous email client, along with several versions of evolution. Is there anything I can do to get rid of the warning?
[07:50] <garrut> turn ssl off
[07:50] <awb4422> i have to have it on
[07:50] <awb4422> university email :/
[07:52] <bronson_> awb4422: evo+ssl is piss poor.  It's never worked properly for me in two years of trying.
[07:52] <bronson_> I finally went to Thunderbird.
[07:52] <awb4422> see i've been using it forever, and haven't had one issue
[07:52] <IceGuest_5> tambm.
[07:53] <bronson_> Weird.  *shrug*  You guys have been lucky I suppose.
[07:53] <Zugot> i'm using kmail
[07:53] <bronson_> kmail works fine for me too.  I just like TB's ui better.
[07:53] <bronson_> gotta run.
[07:54] <johso> apokryphos: I was more thinking about the device - like, how do I configure drivers etc. for my soundcard?
[07:54] <IceGuest_5> test
[07:55] <robin_> nobody got an idea :\ ?
[07:55] <netsack> xscreensaver is dying every time i open and close the adjust date and time dialog. anybody else seen that?
[07:56] <awb4422> nice now muine doesn't work
[07:56] <alfonso> hello
[07:57] <apokryphos> johso: sorry, no idea; not using GNOME here
[07:57] <thoreauputic> netsack: bizarre - does it pop up a dialog? Else how can you tell it died?
[07:57] <Sav> Anyone here uses BlueFish dayly? Im having problem saving files that goes 380+ rows. The file get all messed up if i do. (saving directly to ftp-server)
[07:58] <Myrtti> arrhhhh
[07:58] <netsack> thoreauputic, there's no dialog. i have the system monitor open so i can the process. after i open and close adjust date & time, xscreensaver disappears.
[07:58] <netsack> next time i open the screensaver preferences, it tells me xscreensaver's not running and asks if i'd like to start it.
[07:59] <Dreamer3> if i just install hoary's kernel with warty, will it break things?
[07:59] <netsack> that's how i noticed it was dying and started trying to figure out why.
[07:59] <thoreauputic> netsack: I see. Strikes me as very strange - I don't know what connection there might be between the two things at all
[08:00] <netsack> any idea on how i can debug it?
[08:00] <Dreamer3> is there a quick way in debian to reconfigure networking, like the installer does?
[08:00] <WillCooke> Anyone using dvbstream?
[08:01] <WillCooke> Dreamer, Gnome has a network applet
[08:01] <netsack> thoreauputic, or what would be the best mailing list to post this on to try to get more help?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> netsack: any messages in .xsession-errors?
[08:01] <netsack> thoreauputic, let me check.
[08:01] <Dreamer3> WillCooke: gnome doesn't start, i'm thinking more of a console thing, other than editing /etc/networks/interfaces
[08:02] <WillCooke> Dreamer3, Editing the /etc/network/interfaces isn't so bad, what's the problem you're having?
[08:03] <netsack> thoreauputic, lots of stuf in there about gnome-cups but nothing about xscreensaver.
[08:03] <Dreamer3> WillCooke: just there wasn't a card in this box when i set it up
[08:03] <Dreamer3> WillCooke: i want it to do dhcp
[08:03] <thoreauputic> netsack: maybe post on ubuntu-users list
[08:03] <Dreamer3> WillCooke: i'll go that route
[08:03] <netsack> thoreauputic, ok. thanks.
[08:04] <woodwizzle> will fdformat /dev/fd0 format a disk so that windows can read it?
[08:04] <Dreamer3> WillCooke: ok, that was painless :)
[08:05] <awb4422> i have an nforce2 motherboard, how can i set it up so music gets outputted through my spdif output?
[08:05] <Dreamer3> NOW, can i use the hoary kernel with wary with no problems?
[08:06] <kadir> hi
[08:06] <CarlK> why is lo trying to get an IP from dhcpd ?
[08:07] <IceGuest_5> l
[08:07] <CarlK> I am ssing this in syslog: Apr  3 13:06:32 localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on sit0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port
[08:07] <micha3l> is there a way to stop ubuntu from asking for the cd everytime i try to apt-get something?
[08:07] <CarlK> micha3l - leave teh CD in? ;)
[08:07] <mellow> i got a question regarding the ubuntu dev. process. i have read that any developer is able to submit patches to any package.
[08:07] <mellow> does that mean full cvs write access for everyone?
[08:07] <micha3l> CarlK, is that the only tip :S
[08:08] <CarlK> micha3l - I am guessing if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:08] <mellow> and how do you make sure that only veryfied packages are accepted?
[08:08] <alexsmith> Is there any configuration center on Ubuntu? With say.. default WM/DE, etc?
[08:08] <CarlK> micha3l - or maybe under "synaptic package manager", "the menu next to help (config?)", "repositories" - CD might be listed there
[08:09] <IceGuest_5> pt
[08:09] <thoreauputic> micha3l: just put a # in front of the Cd line in the /etc/apt/sources.list, or disable it in synaptic
[08:09] <CarlK> mellow - I don't think "submit" = "accepted and used"
[08:09] <micha3l> thoreauputic, yeh i just did that, so gonna try it out
[08:09] <someone_random> ok i feel like an idiot for asking this
[08:09] <thoreauputic> micha3l: don't forget to reload / update :)
[08:10] <dross> hmm
[08:10] <dross> I'm having trouble
[08:10] <dross> what is the package source for 2.6.10-5?
[08:10] <Dreamer3> micha3l: comment out that line
[08:11] <mellow> CarlK, so there is a package maintainter for every package (like in debian) who verifies the submitted patches?
[08:11] <Manawyddan> pt
[08:11] <dross> I'm unable to find it, or I'm not updated to the correct database
[08:11] <Dreamer3> anyone know if warty can run with hoary's kernel?
[08:11] <CarlK> mellow - don't know
[08:11] <knucks> how do i make a new partition?
[08:11] <someone_random> but is there anywhere i can get my usb modem to work with it... i know i probably need to get the drivers but...
[08:11] <mellow> hmmm
[08:11] <dross> where is the source for 2.6.10-5?
[08:11] <micha3l> Dreamer3, thoreauputic, thanks that seems to have done it
[08:11] <dross> hoary
[08:12] <CarlK> someone_random - "any way"? yes - easy?  it depends ;)
[08:12] <rcollier> Anyone here know about an issue where printin "only" works under open office?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> dross: try apt-cache search linux-source
[08:12] <micha3l> does ubuntu have a list of packages that are available for apt-get to install?
[08:12] <dross> thoreauputic: did that, the right one didn't come up
[08:12] <rcollier> abiword, anything else, no go
[08:12] <micha3l> some kind of package browser
[08:12] <dross> thoreauputic: linux-source-2.6.10 I don't think is the right one, is it?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> micha3l: synaptic package manager :)
[08:13] <dross> thoreauputic: I thought there was another package for 2.6.10-5 specifically?
[08:13] <micha3l> how do i start/view using that?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> dross: I'm not sure, frankly - I'm on warty here
[08:13] <phin> hmmm, so there are no hostap or wlan drivers for ubuntu??
[08:13] <chadd> anyone use kernel-patch-badram?
[08:13] <whiteknight> phin, what is your card?
[08:14] <chadd> or is it compiles into the default kernel? anyone know?
[08:14] <CarlK> chadd - I tried to
[08:14] <chadd> CarlK: that doesnt sound good
[08:14] <thoreauputic> micha3l: either find it in the menu, or start it from a terminal with ` sudo synaptic`
[08:14] <phin_> opps
[08:14] <phin_> sorry lag
[08:14] <phin_> anyway, i want faster then 2mb/s
[08:14] <phin> wpc11
[08:14] <phin> but, i want faster then 2mb/s
[08:14] <phin_> which is all the default offers
[08:14] <phin_> plus i want monitor mode
[08:15] <CarlK> chadd - it seems that the port to 2.6 wasnt done very well
[08:15] <thoreauputic> micha3l: on warty it's under computer > system config
[08:15] <whiteknight> phin_, i think with that card you can use ndiswrapper
[08:15] <phin_> it just doesnt make sense that there is 2.4 hostap drivers
[08:15] <thoreauputic> in the menus
[08:15] <phin_> but not 2.6
[08:15] <chadd> CarlK: grak, when was this? recently?
[08:15] <micha3l> thoreauputic, im using xfce4 and im also working with a server install
[08:15] <Dreamer3> how can i have apt show me what it wants to download but not download?
[08:15] <phin_> white: im sure i can, but, what doesnt make sense is that the wlan drivers are just not available
[08:15] <CarlK> chadd - eventualy a friend who is better at kernel stuff than me took a look and advised me to give up
[08:15] <micha3l> thoreauputic, so i dont think synaptic is on here
[08:15] <phin_> they are for debian thou
[08:15] <chadd> Dreamer3: install feta
[08:16] <thoreauputic> micha3l: I see - well sudo synaptic should start it
[08:16] <thoreauputic> micha3l: try it
[08:16] <CarlK> chadd - it was about 6 months ago
[08:16] <phin_> sigh
[08:16] <thoreauputic> micha3l: if not, you can easily install it
[08:16] <micha3l> thoreauputic, says synaptic: command not found
[08:16] <micha3l> can i just apt-get synaptic?
[08:16] <thoreauputic> micha3l: yes, sudo apt-get install synaptic
[08:16] <micha3l> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:16] <whiteknight> phin_, in synaptic you can get hostap
[08:17] <whiteknight> phin_, this is on hoary though
[08:17] <Dreamer3> now i have 127mb to download on dial-up that otherwise would have still been around to upgrade another system to hoary
[08:17] <phin_> white: ya the sources, i have to build the modules thou
[08:17] <phin_> the actual module are ot there
[08:17] <phin_> modules*
[08:17] <whiteknight> phin_, oh right, it ain't difficult to do that
[08:17] <phin_> sure it is on a 500mhz machine
[08:18] <phin_> it just doesnt make sense that debian has these packages
[08:18] <phin_> and ubuntu doesnt
[08:18] <phin_> :(
[08:18] <juliusk> Greets
[08:18] <Dreamer3> ok, gnome 2.10 is supposed to be so cool is there a list seomwhere where i can quickly mount things in fstab?
[08:18] <whiteknight> phin_, nah, it'll take a sec, they'll only be compiling the single module
[08:18] <micha3l> thoreauputic, this looks good!  will synaptic download everythign and install for me too, or is it a browser?
[08:18] <phin_> whiteknight
[08:18] <mvirkkil> Any info about what caused the wiki-reset?
[08:18] <phin_> i'll give it a try
[08:18] <phin_> any info anywhere on this?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> micha3l: it will do all that  :)
[08:18] <labestia> !ping
[08:18] <whiteknight> phin_, i can help you if you want
[08:18] <juliusk> Does anybody know how can I get access to an FTP via Gnome-vfs? I wanna edit remote html files by FTP using bluefish
[08:18] <someone_random> gha ok... i need to get it working a zoom V9.2 usb modem working on an optiplex gx150
[08:19] <labestia> oe
[08:19] <thoreauputic> micha3l: it's the package manager
[08:19] <micha3l> thoreauputic, good stuff! thanks for the help! :D
[08:19] <Dreamer3> ok, gnome 2.10 is supposed to be so cool is there a list seomwhere where i can quickly mount things in fstab?
[08:19] <phin_> should i go with hostap or wlan-ng?
[08:19] <phin_> which do you think is better?
[08:19] <juliusk> Dreamer 3
[08:19] <Dreamer3> i'd have though it'd been under places
[08:19] <thoreauputic> micha3l: no worries :)
[08:19] <whiteknight> phin_, what exactly is your card?
[08:19] <juliusk> Dreamer 3, the list is in /etc/fstab
[08:19] <labestia> hello!, why ubuntu, doesnt run apps when you config the eth0
[08:19] <phin_> wpc11
[08:19] <labestia> from the gui????
[08:19] <Dreamer3> juliusk: i know where the lsit is :)
[08:19] <phin_> im gonna be using this for a little wardriving
[08:19] <phin_> and such
[08:19] <phin_> and i use multiple ap's
[08:19] <juliusk> Dreamer3: you mean a UI to edit it?
[08:20] <projectmayhem> hey everyone, I just installed a game (quake2) in Synaptic but I can't find it to run it...
[08:20] <dross> phin_: you need to have a prism2 card to war drive
[08:20] <phin_> i have one
[08:20] <Dreamer3> juliusk: there is a disk mounter applet *goes and plays with it*
[08:20] <whiteknight> phin_, okay, well wlan-ng don't use wireless tools
[08:20] <thoreauputic> micha3l: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[08:20] <kain> projectmayhem, read the description of the package
[08:20] <phin_> hostap does?
[08:20] <chadd> projectmayhem: sudo updatedb; locate quake2
[08:20] <projectmayhem> kain/chadd thx
[08:20] <whiteknight> phin_, yeah i think so
[08:20] <juliusk> Dreamer3: lol yeah, the other day that thing was hidden but it suddenly appeared in my menu
[08:20] <phin_> ok
[08:20] <phin_> i'll use that
[08:20] <Dreamer3> juliusk: not very helpful thoguh since it just shows a buch of disks with the same icon
[08:20] <whiteknight> phin_, so i recommend avoiding wlan-ng
[08:21] <phin_> sp apt-get install hostap-source and hostap-utils?
[08:21] <micha3l> thoreauputic, thanks for all the help, c ya
[08:21] <grogoreo> to add new fonts to linux, do you just copy them to the folder?
[08:21] <whiteknight> phin_, yeah
[08:21] <thoreauputic> micha3l: you're welcome
[08:21] <Dreamer3> juliusk: it works though :)
[08:21] <whiteknight> phin_, you'll also need kernel source
[08:21] <whiteknight> phin_, and of course gcc and such
[08:22] <juliusk> Dreamer3, you mean xffstab?
[08:22] <phin_> build-essential and such
[08:22] <phin_> gotcha
[08:22] <thoreauputic> grogoreo: ttf fonts can be dumped in ~/.fonts, yes
[08:22] <Dreamer3> juliusk: man, i can only eject or open the cd-rom, not unmount it, i hate that
[08:22] <thoreauputic> grogoreo: note the dot :)
[08:22] <grogoreo> thoreauputic, thank you. Is there a global font folder?
[08:23] <juliusk> Dreamer3, you can always use umount :P
[08:23] <thoreauputic> grogoreo: yes, but I don't recall exactly where ff the top of my head...
[08:23] <phin_> whiteknight: getting that all on the system now, will letcha know when im set :)
[08:23] <thoreauputic> *off
[08:23] <Dreamer3> juliusk: yeah, i know ;0
[08:23] <garrut> grogoreo: /usr/share/fonts
[08:23] <grogoreo> thoreauputic, thank you anyway
[08:23] <grogoreo> garrut, thanks
[08:23] <whiteknight> phaedo, okay i'll be around
[08:24] <whiteknight> phaedo, sorry wrong person
[08:24] <johso> ehm, isn't there some kind of tool I can use to fix my soundcard?
[08:24] <whiteknight> phin_, okay i'll be around
[08:24] <garrut> johso: like a screwdriver?
[08:24] <dross> hmm
[08:24] <grogoreo> do you have to put them in their own folder? As I look in the /usr/share/fonts, they have their own folder
[08:24] <kingsley> Which command reveals how many bytes are in each block of a file system?
[08:24] <thoreauputic> johso: unfortunately, alsaconf has been summarily removed
[08:24] <dross> source for 2.6.10-5 available, and where?
[08:24] <Dreamer3> ok, hoary... how can i change how gnome places icons on my desktop...
[08:24] <ogra> dross, linux-source-2.6.10
[08:25] <dross> Note: its not linux-source-2.6.10
[08:25] <ogra> dross, it is
[08:25] <grogoreo> and by any chance does 'fonts.cache-1' link fonts to a different folder?
[08:25] <Dreamer3> they snap to a grid, but i can never get them as close ot the left as i want, it always wants to put them WAY over
[08:25] <dross> ogra: no, or NVIDIA setup would tell me different
[08:25] <dross> ogra: theres another package I needed to make it work
[08:25] <dross> ogra: the devs told me last time what it was, but I've forgotten
[08:25] <ogra> dross, why do you use the complete kernel source for module compilation ?
[08:26] <dross> ogra: for the new nvidia driver
[08:26] <ogra> dross, normally you should be able to compile modules with the linux-herader package only...
[08:26] <juliusk> need info on gnome-vfs
[08:26] <dross> ogra: unless they upgraded from the ancient driver
[08:26] <dross> hmm
[08:26] <dross> ogra: one minute :)
[08:26] <ogra> dross, heh ? we have gotten a new nvidia driver two days ago ...
[08:27] <ogra> dross, why do you compile yourself ?
[08:27] <dross> ogra: oh really?
[08:27] <someone_random> i give up...
[08:27] <someone_random> i have no idea how to do it
[08:28] <garrut> never give up, never surrender!
[08:28] <juliusk> question: if the username of an FTP is "something@something", then are there to @ when you use<EMAIL_ADDRESS><--?
[08:28] <dross> ogra: oh..
[08:28] <EvilIdler> But pass the problem to somebody else while noone's looking
[08:29] <ogra> dross, Version: 1.0.7167-0ubuntu25 :)
[08:29] <dross> ogra: I thought it was in a seperate package called nvidia-module.. not in restricted
[08:29] <someone_random> funny... not very helpful tho
[08:29] <saw27> kingsley: for ext2, 'tune2fs -l <device>' seems to tell you.
[08:29] <garrut> someone_random: what kind of modem is it?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> grogoreo: you might look at defoma
[08:29] <ogra> dross, the module itself is in there, te other stuff is in nvidia-glx
[08:30] <juliusk> beb
[08:30] <dross> ogra: hmm
[08:30] <juliusk> beb
[08:30] <juliusk> brb
[08:30] <juliusk> :S
[08:30] <dross> ogra: I was compiling it the other way ;)
[08:30] <someone_random> its a dial up zoom v9.2  model 2090
[08:30] <ogra> heh
[08:30] <someone_random> 3090^^
[08:30] <phin_> whiteknight: do i need kernel-package as well?
[08:30] <dross> ogra: though, I still need sources to play with qemu + kqemu
[08:31] <dross> ogra: I use vmware, but you never know when qemu might be better :)
[08:31] <whiteknight> phin_, don't think so, try with out it
[08:31] <dross> my laptop is back up and working, yay
[08:31] <ogra> dross, our kernel maintainer is just playing with xen ;)
[08:31] <Kikyo1> Anyone know how to get rid of the "Can't find ikernel.exe" thing when starting Baldur's Gate II setup.exe via winex/cedega on Ubuntu? :)
[08:31] <dross> ogra: I looked at xen, but haven't tried it yet
[08:31] <Kikyo1> Badlur's Gate 1 installed just fine..
[08:31] <dross> ogra: I'm waiting for some free time.
[08:32] <dross> ogra: free time cost money
[08:32] <kingsley> saw27: Thanks.
[08:32] <ogra> dross, nah....
[08:32] <ogra> dross, only if you take it dirctly from your work time ;)
[08:33] <Kikyo1> If anyone here got their Baldur's Gate II : Shadows of Amn to work, please PM me.. any help would be GREATLY appreciated! :)
[08:33] <kingsley> How large should an ext3 journal be?
[08:34] <martin> hi.. can everybody tell me how i can get a better sound-quality with XMMS?
[08:35] <apokryphos> martin: by using a better player :P
[08:35] <memnoc> hey.. i have some problems with my soundcard.. it's an onboard SiS7018 and Ubuntu picked it right up using the Trident drivers.. however, the quality when compared to the Windows performance is really bad, and i get sound stuttering in games like TuxRacer (the video is fast, just the sound stutters)..
[08:35] <apokryphos> martin: what's the problem with the sound as it is?
[08:35] <memnoc> umm did that get through?
[08:35] <Kikyo1> martin: apt-get install beep-media-player is what I did. :P
[08:35] <apokryphos> memnoc: yes
[08:35] <memnoc> ok :)
[08:35] <SeeleyUSMC> Grr anyone know how to get DVD support?  I can't seem to get my DVD player to work when I pop in a DVD to watch...
[08:36] <martin> it's a bad quality
[08:36] <Kikyo1> I have the same problem, but with me DVD-burner.. it works with regular CDs but not DVDs..
[08:36] <apokryphos> martin: too much bass?
[08:36] <memnoc> so i'm looking for some improved drivers with better sound quality and if possible to fix the performance in OGL games..
[08:36] <martin> no
[08:36] <phin_> whiteknight should i allow firmware downloading?
[08:36] <phin_> does it matter?
[08:36] <phin_> i have the firmware files
[08:37] <whiteknight> phin_, what are you compiling?
[08:37] <phin_> hostap
[08:37] <CarlK> for DVD things: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:37] <whiteknight> phin_, i'm not sure, it would allow the card to act as a ap
[08:37] <apokryphos> martin: well, I suggest (i) try putting your PCM (in alsamixer) to around 3/4 of the way, rather than 100%, or (ii) using xmms equalizer
[08:37] <martin> it's just so bad.. you only hear it when you listen carefuly
[08:37] <phin_> Oh
[08:38] <phin_> well i dont think i'll ever use it for that.
[08:38] <whiteknight> phin_, don't see any harm
[08:38] <phin_> ya
[08:38] <phin_> ima do it
[08:38] <martin> ok, thx apokryphos
[08:38] <phin_> hehe
[08:38] <Kikyo1> martin: Increase the volume ..? ;)
[08:38] <thoreauputic> memnoc: I'm no expert, but it might not be the drivers: there are some issues with esd for instance
[08:38] <apokryphos> martin: though I'd first suggest you don't use xmms ;-)
[08:38] <martin> what's better?
[08:38] <Grock> how can I get mp3 playing?
[08:38] <martin> what are you using?
[08:39] <Kikyo1> Martin: Beep-media-player. ^^
[08:39] <CarlK> Grock - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:39] <apokryphos> martin: amaroK :). Completely unrivalled, IMO.
[08:39] <Grock> Carlk, Thanks
[08:39] <abiertos> hello my name is shellhack
[08:39] <memnoc> esd? well, i've noticed the SiS7018 isn't directly supported by SiS.. where can i see the X11 sound configs?
[08:40] <Kikyo1> apokryphos; you wouldn't by any chance know how to install Baldur's Gate II on Ubuntu ? :)
[08:40] <abiertos> I need to know where I can find good hacking manuals
[08:40] <apokryphos> Kikyo1: Nope, sorry.
[08:40] <martin> is beep-media-player a new one? because on the sites no one talked about beep-media-palyer
[08:40] <Kikyo1> apokryphos: Oh, thanks anyways!
[08:40] <thoreauputic> martin: it's a fork of xmms with gtk2
[08:41] <Fackamato> how do I check that I have dri?
[08:41] <Kikyo1> martin: No idea, a friend just told me to do apt-get install beep-media-player, and it worked fine. ;)
[08:41] <Fackamato> stepmania says direct rendering is not available, but i have 2300fps in glxgears
[08:41] <memnoc> yea beep is nice.. never liked rhythmbox, anyway..
[08:42] <martin> do you know the server-adress from beep-media-player? my apt-get can't find it
[08:42] <Kikyo1> Hm, sec
[08:42] <thoreauputic> martin: enable the universe repository
[08:43] <mvirkkil> The wiki just got reset again.
[08:43] <Xeon3D> martin: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[08:43] <ogra> martin, its in universe
[08:43] <libben> Im back.... and still wonders what to use for SSL FTP ... GFTP wont work... only handles ssh
[08:44] <martin> thx
[08:44] <real> how can i configure adsl on ubuntu?
[08:44] <ogra> real, sudo pppoeconf
[08:44] <memnoc> what was the equivalent of foobar2000 for win on ubuntu?
[08:44] <thoreauputic> libben: apt-cache search ftp | grep ssl
[08:44] <real> nothing more?
[08:44] <Fackamato> how do I check that I have dri? direct rendering
[08:45] <ogra> real, you will need to know your access data :)
[08:45] <real> ogra: and then to start the inet service what should i do?
[08:45] <whiteknight> Fackamato, is dri mentioned in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[08:45] <ogra> pon dsl-provider
[08:45] <real> o starts automatic?
[08:45] <Arthur> ok, just curious, how do I go about trying out KDE, yet not fucking with my configuration if I wanna go back?
[08:45] <ogra> real, there is a info aftr configuration....and there is plenty of information on the wiki :)
[08:46] <real> what is dsl-provider for?
[08:46] <real> ok
[08:46] <ogra> real, thats the name of the connection
[08:46] <libben> what char is that thoreauputic ? the | that pipes it to grep?
[08:46] <ogra> real, its the default name, you can change that while configuring
[08:46] <thoreauputic> libben: yep
[08:46] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Arthur ubukde
[08:46] <Pyre> Arthur: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[08:47] <thoreauputic> libben: I think you can replace ftp with one of those
[08:47] <libben> Well i couldent get it to work by typing it by hand... but it worked when i just copied your input
[08:47] <phin_> ok
[08:47] <Arthur> thankee
[08:47] <phin_> whiteknight
[08:47] <Kikyo1> Anyone here that got Baldur's Gate II - Shadows of Amn (with/without Throne of Bhaal) to work on their cute little Ubuntu ..?
[08:47] <lok>  somebody know a good apps for read a .tex ?
[08:47] <phin_> i have everythig untar'd, i hve the .config file in place
[08:47] <phin_> what do i do now?
[08:47] <libben> i press alt gr and hit the key next to the left shift to get the "|" but it dident work
[08:48] <thoreauputic> libben: it's the upper case of \ on my keyboard
[08:48] <whiteknight> phin_, have you compiled the driver?
[08:48] <phin_> nope
[08:48] <phin_> goto /usr/src/modules/hostap-source
[08:48] <phin_> and just type make?
[08:48] <whiteknight> phin_, first ./configure
[08:48] <phin_> there is no configure
[08:48] <whiteknight> phin_, then try make
[08:49] <phin_> dont i need kernel headers?
[08:49] <knucks> argh. im out of CDRs but I have a DVD-R..
[08:49] <knucks> i need to burn the hoary iso to it
[08:49] <knucks> will it work if i burn it to a DVDr?
[08:49] <Fackamato> whiteknight: Section "dri"
[08:49] <libben> aaah... i typed it wrong =) i dident include the word ftp on it
[08:49] <libben> =)
[08:49] <Fackamato>   Mode 0666
[08:49] <Fackamato> EndSection
[08:49] <libben> "|" is called pipe?
[08:49] <whiteknight> phin_, i'm hopiing the kernel source will be enough
[08:49] <thoreauputic> libben: yes
[08:49] <Fackamato> # This loads the GLX module
[08:49] <Fackamato>     Load	"glx"   # libglx.a
[08:49] <Fackamato>     Load	"dri"   # libdri.a
[08:49] <Fackamato> that is all
[08:49] <whiteknight> Fackamato, then dri is working
[08:49] <whiteknight> Fackamato, what is your card?
[08:50] <Fackamato> geforce 3 ti200
[08:50] <Fackamato> using hte latest nvidia driver (from their site)
[08:50] <libben> seen the word somewhere.... so it does what? pipes the output into mem and then grep is "searching that memput and VOILA?
[08:50] <johndoher> hey, what's the command for unmount?
[08:50] <phin_> holy mother of errors
[08:50] <phin_> !!!
[08:50] <Fackamato> johndoher: umount
[08:50] <libben> is that correctly?
[08:50] <whiteknight> Fackamato, you shouldn't need dri
[08:50] <libben> im new to this
[08:50] <Arthur> one other thing, that I haven't found in the Message boards, is how to install my NetZero on the computer.  they have a Lindows file that you can install, it is a .deb file, but I can't figure out how to get it working in Ubuntu
[08:50] <johndoher> same parameters as mount?
[08:50] <whiteknight> phin_, okay read the README
[08:50] <thoreauputic> libben: it sends the output of a command to the command following the |
[08:51] <whiteknight> phin_, or the INSTALL.txt
[08:51] <Fackamato> whiteknight: stepmania needs dri :<
[08:51] <thoreauputic> libben: e.g. cat /proc/cpuinfo | less
[08:51] <thoreauputic> although for that yo ucould do ` less /proc/cpuinfo `
[08:52] <whiteknight> Fackamato, hmmm nVidia say that you shouldn't have dri
[08:52] <Fackamato> nothing in the log about dri errors :<
[08:52] <woodwizzle> what group do i need to add a user to if I want the user to be able to run su - with root level permissions?
[08:52] <phin_> whiteknight: ubuntu uses pcmcia-cs?
[08:52] <Kikyo1> Baldur's Gate must really hate me for trying to play it on Linux; BG1 worked quite fine, it crashed a few times at last area but then I finnished it. Although network play was disabled; but BG2... heck, it won't even initate setup.exe (Something with Installshield I guess since it complains about iKernel.exe..) I'm using WineX 2.0 (Cedega 4.3) .. anyone that could  help me? I know this might be the wrong channel though..
[08:52] <johndoher> I just tried mounting a FAT32 partition of an SATA hard drive.  It mounted, but I couldn't get into the subfolders, or open any of the files.  In fact, when I right-clicked anything it just dissappeared.  Help?
[08:53] <libben> so when to use cat ? and what does less do?
[08:53] <whiteknight> phin_, yeah i think so
[08:53] <fissy> less can scroll :D
[08:53] <libben> Back to manpages =( ... but it s ok to readem when u think u got a hang of it =)
[08:53] <phin_> so i need the sources for that as well?
[08:53] <JDahl> woodwizzle, I just manually add users to /etc/sudoers. The man page is good
[08:53] <thoreauputic> libben: http://tuxfiles.org  :)
[08:53] <libben> so less and cat is same tool ?
[08:53] <fissy> use cat if its a small file or you want to pass output to another program
[08:53] <whiteknight> phin_, no the binaries should be fine
[08:53] <apokryphos> libben: man cat
[08:53] <woodwizzle> JDahl: thanks
[08:53] <kitten> Question.. I cannot find any way to get Gnome's menus to update with applications I've just installed.
[08:53] <kitten> Any ideas?
[08:53] <dross> oh right!
[08:53] <whiteknight> phin_, apt-get pcmcia-cs
[08:54] <dross> this card is awesome
[08:54] <thoreauputic> libben: less is a "pager"
[08:54] <dross> a wonderful 2350 fps on GeforceFX 5200
[08:54] <LinuxJones> kitten, let me get you a link
[08:54] <thoreauputic> libben: useful for looking at large files
[08:54] <dross> laptop card :)
[08:54] <SeeleyUSMC> anyone know where I can get libdvdcss ?
[08:54] <kitten> LinuxJones : Okay.  But for the record I've been googling this like a madman without success.
[08:54] <thoreauputic> libben: cat is short for "concatenate"
[08:55] <kitten> Although I did find out that installing 'menu' and 'menu-xdg' helps.  Why that isn't already there, I don't know.
[08:55] <Fackamato> whiteknight: but why do I get this strange error
[08:55] <LinuxJones> kitten, >> http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[08:55] <Fackamato> glxgears works finem but
[08:55] <kitten> Then I ran update-menus, which always worked with Debian.
[08:55] <Fackamato> Initializing OpenGL...
[08:55] <Fackamato> Your system is reporting that direct rendering is not available.  Please obtain an updated driver from your video card manufacturer.
[08:55] <libben> what is that in plain english? eng is not my main lang.
[08:55] <libben> gather information and type it out ?
[08:55] <kitten> LinuxJones : Is this the one that lets me manually edit the menus?
[08:55] <LinuxJones> kitten, then sudo dpkg -i menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb to install
[08:55] <apokryphos> libben: it's basically a command-line viewer.
[08:55] <libben> aaah
[08:55] <thoreauputic> libben: concatenate means "make a chain " more or less
[08:55] <LinuxJones> kitten, yeah it works very nicely
[08:56] <kitten> Hm.
[08:56] <kitten> Yeah, I saw that earlier.
[08:56] <whiteknight> Fackamato, i'm really sorry i don't know
[08:56] <apokryphos> libben: only text, of course.
[08:56] <libben> so i could have typed nano /proc/cpuinfo and got the same?
[08:56] <kitten> And it could work, but what I wanted was update-menus to check and update automatically.
[08:56] <EvilIdler> libben: cat spits out textfiles without brakes, while less stops for each page
[08:56] <kitten> Cos it worked when I used Debian on this machine.
[08:56] <thoreauputic> libben: yes, in the editor
[08:56] <LinuxJones> kitten, ohh sorry
[08:56] <apokryphos> libben: nano is a command line *editor*. cat will only view the info.
[08:56] <LinuxJones> kitten, I don't think there is one for gnome
[08:56] <kitten> No, this was in Gnome. :)
[08:57] <libben> so cat and grep is used alot ill take it =)
[08:57] <kitten> That's what I don't get.
[08:57] <johndoher> Q. I just tried mounting a FAT32 partition of an SATA hard drive.  It mounted, but I couldn't get into the subfolders, or open any of the files (everything reads 0 bytes).  In fact, when I right-clicked anything it just dissappears.  I can't unmount either, the shell says that the thing's busy
[08:57] <phin_> whiteknight: odd, im getting TONS of syntax errors...
[08:57] <thoreauputic> libben: less allows viewing and searching etc - ` man less ` *grin*
[08:57] <apokryphos> libben: a lot of the time, yes. grep can be used in conjunction with cat to filter out the parts you don't want
[08:57] <martin> thx! this player worx. and looks good!
[08:57] <EvilIdler> libben: I use them many times a day
[08:58] <kitten> On a side note, I finally got wireless working on this thing, which I'm really proud of.
[08:58] <thoreauputic> libben: tuxfiles.org is a good place to start learning these commands
[08:58] <kitten> <-- baddest hacker in town.
[08:58] <libben> EvilIdler, why ? shouldent linux be easy? and friendly =) u like console so much ?
[08:58] <whiteknight> phin_, one sec, i'm compiling the driver myself to see how to do it
[08:58] <libben> thoreauputic, yeah. bookedmarked it allready...
[08:58] <EvilIdler> libben: There are things you can do a thousand times faster with grep/awk than manually in a graphical editor
[08:58] <Kikyo1> Anyone knwo WineX or Cedega's IRC channel?
[08:58] <libben> yeah ive noticed =)
[08:58] <Kikyo1> know*
[08:58] <thoreauputic> libben: contrary to popular opinion, command line is often easier and quicker :)
[08:59] <kitten> Hey LinuxJones : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile
[08:59] <EvilIdler> libben: If I want first and fourth word of a text file, sorted by the fourth word, it can be done with a simple line in the shell :)
[08:59] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell libben rute
[08:59] <Pyre> libben: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[08:59] <apokryphos> libben: a good guide there to get you started :)
[08:59] <EvilIdler> libben: For every line, that is
[09:00] <kitten> For example I'm wondering why Abiword isn't showing up, and according to this it's because there's no associated desktop file.
[09:00] <kitten> Is that just an Ubuntu thing?    Is there a *reason* that modconf isn't available from the universe repository?
[09:04] <phin_> thats the problem...
[09:04] <KarlosII> anyone else having issues witht he acroread 7.0 plugin?
[09:04] <phin_> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[09:04] <kitten> That isn't something I should have to compile myself.
[09:04] <johndoher> kingsley: (I'm dealing with mounting issues right now as well)
[09:04] <phin_> yes i am
[09:05] <phin_> installed this last night
[09:05] <whiteknight> phin_, i've got, go into the source and do make menuconfig
[09:05] <timson> nightly build of FF solve this problem
[09:05] <johndoher> johndoher: does this make my name glow?
[09:05] <olimar> #arabeyes
[09:05] <whiteknight> phin_, then just exit
[09:05] <olimar> \j #arabeyes
[09:05] <olimar> am I on freenode?
[09:05] <KarlosII> yes
[09:05] <peck_> yes olimar
[09:05] <phin_> k
[09:05] <whiteknight> phin_, then run make (but ctrl-C after about 15 lines)
[09:05] <olimar> thanx
[09:05] <phin_> hmmm
[09:06] <KarlosII> phin_, and acroread is nto working?
[09:06] <phin_> huh?
[09:06] <phin_> acroread?
[09:06] <whiteknight> phin_, i think KarlosII got the wrong name
[09:07] <phin_> me too
[09:07] <phin_> hehe
[09:07] <phin_> whiteknight
[09:07] <whiteknight> phin_, yup
[09:07] <phin_> i found in the readme they say something about that error
[09:07] <Grock> how can I install a .deb file in ubuntu?
[09:07] <phin_> says i should do
[09:07] <phin_> udo make-kpkg --append-to-version=-3-386 --revision=1 kernel_headers
[09:07] <kitten> Grock : Same way you do in Debian.
[09:07] <phin_> i would imagine change -3-386 to -10-386
[09:07] <theine> Grock: dpkg -i <deb file>
[09:07] <kitten> Leastways that's how I've been doing it.
[09:07] <Grock> ahh
[09:08] <Grock> txh
[09:08] <whiteknight> phin_, okay, that would make sense ( i think)
[09:08] <whiteknight> phin_, the way i'm suggesting is really a dirty hack
[09:08] <whiteknight> phin_, but it does work
[09:08] <phin_> ya
[09:08] <phin_> it sounds like one :P
[09:08] <phin_> hehe
[09:08] <libben> http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz cant get this one in ff or wget
[09:08] <whiteknight> phin_, did it for my wireless card
[09:08] <phin_> right, well im gonna try your way
[09:08] <bddebian> Hey folks.  OK, so I finally installed Ubuntu on one of my laptops and the install went great.  However, my routing table seems jacked up and route add default.. doesn't seem to work.  Any ideas?
[09:09] <theine> libben: I can...
[09:09] <whiteknight> phin_, basically you want it to start compiling a kernel and then kill it
[09:09] <phin_> gotcha
[09:09] <BBB> mako, ping
[09:09] <phin_> just so it makes that version file?
[09:09] <whiteknight> phin_, yup
[09:09] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: what does route add default do?
[09:09] <whiteknight> phin_, let it run a bit more though, a couple more lines
[09:10] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: I get "No such device"
[09:10] <libben> anyone wants to mirror it?
[09:10] <JaZy15> hey can anyone help me setup a printer useing smb
[09:10] <whiteknight> phin_, i recommend you ignore the hostap-source from ubuntu and use the latest source from http://hostap.epitest.fi/
[09:10] <phin_> im gonna
[09:10] <theine> libben: wget http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[09:10] <thoreauputic_> libben: sudo apt-get install rutebook  :)
[09:10] <kitten> Hm.  Maybe running Gnome on this system isn't the best idea I've had, anyway.
[09:10] <theine> libben: what's the problem?
[09:10] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: the device doesn't seem to be up. if you have dhcp on your LAN you might try running sudo dhclient <device>
[09:10] <libben> theine, that wont work allready trried
[09:11] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: that's in the repos? Sweet.
[09:11] <theine> libben: what does it say?
[09:11] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, i think Kamakazie finally got his XP cd to work :)
[09:11] <libben> its timing out
[09:11] <theine> libben: oh...
[09:11] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: Ifconfig works fine and eth0 has an IP from dhcp
[09:11] <thoreauputic_> apokryphos: multiverse
[09:11] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: Yah, I see. Cool.
[09:11] <libben> lol
[09:11] <kitten> LeeJunFan : That won't help him if it doesn't see the device.
[09:11] <phin_> yay!
[09:11] <phin_> its buildig
[09:11] <libben> apt-cache search rute =) it was there
[09:11] <phin_> ok after i do make?
[09:11] <phin_> what do i do
[09:11] <phin_> make install?
[09:11] <whiteknight> phin_, yup
[09:12] <phin_> and then, just reboot and i should be good?
[09:12] <whiteknight> phin_, nah no need to reboot
[09:12] <whiteknight> phin_, just depmod
[09:12] <whiteknight> phin_, modprobe hostap
[09:12] <phin_> should i add hostap to modules?
[09:12] <KarlosII> theine, problem solved, u need to install ldap-utils
[09:12] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: is eth0 a wired nic?
[09:12] <thoreauputic_> whiteknight: really? kamakazie disappeared from my mental map some time ago, frankly...
[09:12] <KarlosII> theine, heh
[09:12] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: Nope, wireless
[09:13] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, hehe i sorted him out with a way of doing it
[09:13] <theine> KarlosII: great, thanks for finding out
[09:13] <phin_> whoa, no oss drivers either?
[09:13] <phin_> :(
[09:13] <whiteknight> phin_, ??
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: can you try this and see if you get replies: arping -I eth0 <ip of something else on your lan like a router>
[09:13] <phin_> nm
[09:13] <phin_> nm nm
[09:13] <whiteknight> phin_, okay
[09:13] <phin_> i'll figure that out later
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: that is an I (eye)
[09:13] <phin_> this old laptop doesnt like alsa
[09:14] <thoreauputic_> whiteknight: congrats - I kind of lost interest after he CTCP ed me and insulted me: what was  your solution?
[09:14] <kitten> phin_ : Mine either.
[09:14] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: I can ping the router (.1) fine with that
[09:14] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, i found him a ms dos bootable disk iso for him to burn
[09:14] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: can you do a plain ping?
[09:14] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, don't know if it worked but he hasn't been around for a while :P
[09:14] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: Yes
[09:14] <phin_> white: should i add hostap_cs to /etc/modules ??
[09:15] <thoreauputic_> whiteknight: I hope he was suitably grateful
[09:15] <KarlosII> theine, I found a article talking about ldap, and then I searched synaptic for ldap ,a decided to install ldap utils and then after word the plugin worked in firefox
[09:15] <whiteknight> phin_, yeah i think would be a good idea
[09:15] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: what is the exact syntax you are using with route?
[09:15] <whiteknight> phin_, is it working?
[09:15] <phin_> 1 sec
[09:15] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: Well I think that is part of my problem..;-)
[09:15] <theine> KarlosII: cool
[09:16] <phin_> make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/hostap-driver-0.3.7'
[09:16] <phin_> Module installation directory not valid: '/lib/modules/2.6.10'
[09:16] <phin_> Most probable cause for this is modified kernel headers.
[09:16] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, nah he just vanished oh well at least he's stopped flooding the list with insults
[09:16] <phin_> hmmmmmmm
[09:16] <theine> KarlosII: still doesn't work for me though...
[09:16] <whiteknight> phin_, what command had you just done?
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: try 'ip route add default via <router ip>'
[09:16] <thoreauputic_> whiteknight: heh - major attiude problems...
[09:16] <phin_> make install
[09:16] <whiteknight> phin_, okay try this
[09:17] <thoreauputic_> *attitude
[09:17] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: but it doesn't explain why it doesn't get set with dhcp.
[09:17] <Phr0stByte> Anyone know where I can get ubuntu-calendar-april? It does not seem to be available yet - is it?
[09:17] <whiteknight> phin_, first try insmod hostap.ko
[09:17] <KarlosII> so you need acroread and acroread plugins, and ldap-utils inorder for it to work :)
[09:17] <whiteknight> phin_, from within the source directory
[09:17] <KarlosII> theine, hmm
[09:17] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: Bahh, I had to use ip route change.  What a dolt.  Thanks a million for the help!
[09:17] <ulisse> Hi, is there anybody running Blender 2.36 on Hoary?
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: :)
[09:18] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: I am - its great
[09:18] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, does it run correctly?
[09:18] <Phr0stByte> yes - have not seen any bugs yet - use it every day
[09:19] <ulisse> since last update, 4 days ago, mine hangs after a while...
[09:19] <grohk> Hello, does anyone know if php5 will be packaged for Hoary?
[09:19] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: You running the static?
[09:20] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[09:20] <Dreamer3> renameing a file in gnome seem to be broken for me
[09:20] <phin_> white: ok that didnt give me an error
[09:20] <whiteknight> phin_, so try lsmod
[09:20] <whiteknight> phin_, is it in there?
[09:20] <phin_> hostap: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
[09:20] <phin_> hostap_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL'
[09:20] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, I tried with the static from official site and the one from Ubuntu reps.
[09:20] <ulisse> nothing changes
[09:20] <phin_> yes it is
[09:20] <whiteknight> phin_, okay what happens if you do iwconfig
[09:20] <Dreamer3> an anyone try it?
[09:20] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: That may be why - dont use the static
[09:20] <Dreamer3> renaming a file in list view
[09:21] <phin_> whiteknight im on that pc right now
[09:21] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, is the apt-gettable version static too?
[09:21] <whiteknight> phin_, yeah but type iwconfig in the command line
[09:21] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[09:21] <Dreamer3> and gnome browser behavior changes again
[09:21] <kbrooks> how do i install a template in nautilus
[09:21] <whiteknight> phin_, it'll show you if it worked
[09:22] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: my latest render - http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=21789
[09:22] <phin_> i did
[09:22] <phin_> it says what it normally says
[09:22] <phin_> ok
[09:22] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, very nice!
[09:22] <Kikyo1> Still noone here with experience on getting Baldur's Gate II run on Ubuntu?
[09:22] <whiteknight> phin_, then insmod hostap_cs
[09:23] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: Thanx
[09:23] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, i'm a beginner, cannot compete, but let me see if I have sthg to show...
[09:23] <whiteknight> phin_, basically we just have to insert the right driver to get the card working
[09:23] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[09:23] <phin_> now, ok
[09:23] <phin_> ok
[09:23] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: Believe it or not, I am a beginner too
[09:23] <Dreamer3> can anyone confirm this gnome renaming problem?
[09:23] <phin_> but where do i put the modules. should i manually copy them to /lib/modules?
[09:23] <noirequus> howdy
[09:23] <kernel_panic> hi there!
[09:24] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, I have a little movie: http://ulipo.altervista.org/contenuti/windsurf.avi
[09:24] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, it's a loop, play it in loop...
[09:24] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: That is nice!
[09:24] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, thanks ;-)
[09:25] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: PM me with a gaim ID!
[09:25] <noirequus> any mac users in here?
[09:25] <whiteknight> phin_, if you want though into lib/modules/2.6.xx/kernel/drivers/net/wireless
[09:25] <whiteknight> noirequus, yup
[09:25] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, ehm... I dunno how to PM... :-P
[09:25] <kernel_panic> I've a little probleme with dist-upgrade
[09:25] <thoreauputic> noirequus: yes, I have ab iBook running warty
[09:25] <noirequus> any experience/knowledge/precognitive info on 'book development?
[09:25] <kernel_panic> Unpacking replacement libsane ...
[09:25] <kernel_panic> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu2_powerpc.deb
[09:26] <kernel_panic> Ex-Cyber: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:26] <whiteknight> noirequus, i have an ibook running hoary
[09:26] <theine> KarlosII: The problem was that acroread is in $HOME/bin and firefox doesn't find it when launched from the Gnome menu
[09:26] <noirequus> hoary here, also.  my question was: is there any work on "sleep".  my book will go to sleep just fine, it just never wakes up
[09:26] <whiteknight> phin_, once you've copied them you need to run depmod
[09:27] <whiteknight> noirequus, i haven't checked out sleep
[09:27] <whiteknight> noirequus, sorry
[09:27] <noirequus> didn't have that problem with yellow dog linux on it, (cept YDL-rpms suck)
[09:27] <whiteknight> noirequus, i agree that YDL sucks, sleep is the final thing i need to get working
[09:27] <grohk> noirequus, I have a powerbook I just moved to Hoary from Debian Sid
[09:27] <grohk> sleep works fine for me.
[09:27] <theine> how can one set the PATH in Gnome btw?
[09:28] <noirequus> seems to me that some1 smarter than I could take the appropriate code outta the YDL distro and emplace it in ubunut
[09:28] <kernel_panic> any ideas for my problem with the mozilla-firefox .deb ?
[09:28] <pauldaoust> here's a curious thing: sometimes (actually, very often) my top panel will disappear. This didn't happen before upgrading to GNOME 2.10
[09:28] <grohk> make sure you got the right modules loaded for the ppc apm via modconf
[09:28] <whiteknight> phin_, sorry but i've got to go,just to check does the driver work?
[09:28] <pauldaoust> has anybody encountered this?
[09:28] <apokryphos> theine: edit the ~/.bashrc and add it there. Or... you can use export if it's for that session only
[09:29] <phin_> yes it seems to
[09:29] <phin_> i'll figure it out
[09:29] <phin_> thanks for getting me this far :)
[09:29] <thoreauputic> theine: in gnome? You usually set $PATH on the commandline or editing .bashrc or similar
[09:29] <whiteknight> phin_, no worries
[09:29] <KarlosII> theine, who moved it?
[09:29] <theine> thoreauputic, apokryphos: guys, i know, but it only sets the path in the shell
[09:29] <grohk> noirequus, what kernel are you running?
[09:30] <apokryphos> theine: erm, well, where else would you set it for? Commands do go through the shell ;-)
[09:30] <thoreauputic> theine: /etc/bash.bashrc if I remember correctly
[09:30] <thoreauputic> or /etc/profile
[09:30] <theine> apokryphos: if you launch an application from the gnome menu, it doesn't go through bash...
[09:31] <grohk> type "uname -a" in your console
[09:31] <thoreauputic> noirequus: uname -a
[09:31] <thoreauputic> grohk: :)
[09:31] <grohk> lol thoreauputic
[09:32] <theine> thoreauputic: Apparently one can set the path in ~/.gnomerc
[09:32] <grohk> join #osx
[09:32] <noirequus> kernel v 7.8.0
[09:32] <thoreauputic> theine: ah, useful :)
[09:32] <benplaut> exit
[09:32] <benplaut> woops
[09:33] <KarlosII> sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `)'
[09:33] <KarlosII> sh: -c: line 0: `infobash :)'
[09:33] <KarlosII> CPU[AMD Athlon XP 2500+ clocked at 1829.773 Mhz]   Kernel[Linux 2.6.10-5-k7 i686]   Up[-1day-]   Mem[-892.637/1012.2MB-]   HDD[-142GB(29%used)-]   Procs[-94-]   Client[X-Chat 2.4.1]
[09:33] <noirequus> yes, woops, i almost unamed(d) into an ssh window to one of my other boxen...heh heh
[09:33] <KarlosII> :)
[09:33] <dabeej> u better fix that script
[09:33] <tsw> hi, is there a packages.ubuntulinux.com or such?
[09:34] <dabeej> or it will EXPLODE
[09:34] <noirequus> shoulda done the ssh window
[09:34] <apokryphos> tsw: what are you looking for?
[09:34] <tsw> and what about ubunbootstrap :)
[09:34] <phrob> i was told ubuntu linux runs better with gnome than KDE (kubuntu) is it true ?
[09:34] <noirequus> grohk here the is the real answer (not running the darwin kernel in my ubuntu box)  2.6.10-5-powerpc
[09:34] <apokryphos> phrob: I don't know how they'd determine that, so, erm.. no.
[09:35] <tsw> apokryphos: just some packages.. dont have the time to install right now, but I need to know some versions and such
[09:35] <KarlosII> gnome rulz
[09:35] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell tsw ubupackages
[09:35] <Pyre> tsw: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[09:35] <thoreauputic> tsw: use apt-cache policy ?
[09:35] <delire> noirequus: you have single boot ubuntu on your PPC? impressive ;)
[09:35] <thoreauputic> and apt-cache search