[00:12] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu (santa11)
[00:14] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[00:15] <ubotu> bbyever called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[00:15] <snowolf> stantalls in #ubuntu
[00:15] <snowolf> *santall
[01:07] <LjL> i see that metamorfosiz has not stopped calling people idiots.
[04:05] <PriceChild> Hey wobblywu, how can I help?
[04:05] <wobblywu> just passing by, don't mind me
[04:05]  * PriceChild hasn't ever stumbled into #gentoo-ops or ##linux-ops without a reason and wonders what's really up with wobblywu.
[04:05] <wobblywu> plotting my evil overthrow of the #ubuntu government
[04:06] <wobblywu> you know, the usual
[04:06] <wobblywu> I was talking to elkbuntu about the average response to being banned in #ubuntu
[04:06] <wobblywu> so I thought i'd hop on by and see for myself
[04:07] <PriceChild> wobblywu: the channel is logged, see /topic
[04:08] <nalioth> many people enjoy the logs, too
[04:08] <nalioth> vicarous living, i suppose
[04:10] <wobblywu> well, doh
[04:10] <wobblywu> should've thought of that sooner
[04:23] <wobblywu> i'll be out of here in a min by the way, hoping to catch a live one to save having to crawl through them logs but i'll do that instead in a few minutes :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> unlikely at this time of day
[04:23] <Hobbsee> lots are asleep
[04:42] <elkbuntu> yay, already we have someone glorifying nazis :(
[04:43] <wobblywu> lol
[04:43] <wobblywu> :/
[04:44] <elkbuntu> wobblywu, welcome to the world you asked for
[04:44] <elkbuntu> sure you want to stay?
[04:44] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, it resolved itself without your intervening though :)
[04:44] <elkbuntu> wobblywu, hasnt resolved yet, trust me
[04:45] <wobblywu> or, it's resolving itself
[04:45] <wobblywu> voided has just been a bit naughty today
[04:45] <elkbuntu> wobblywu, trust me, it's not over yet
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> keep an eye on tuntun when he's around - he's been pasting the same question across #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, #ubuntu-motu, and such all day.  (in my awaylog)
[04:45] <elkbuntu> and your rules let him be. now, whenever someone gets offended, they're the bad one, not the victim
[04:46] <wobblywu> voided is just having a field day now
[04:46] <Pici> tonyyarusso: what question is that?
[04:46] <wobblywu> lovely timing too ;o
[04:46] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: and -devel
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> Pici: various
[04:46] <Pici> tonyyarusso: roger that
[04:51] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, it's still mostly confusion right now, rather than actual problems
[04:51] <wobblywu> elkbuntu, i'm sure you're rational enough to realise this is an unfair depiction of how it'd actually go :)
[04:51] <wobblywu> anyway, i'm clogging up the -ops logs, *parts*
[04:52] <Hobbsee> voidedchick is sounding very much like a troll.  i see no evidence from the usual places, though

[06:12] <Hobbsee> and he's gone too.
[07:11] <Madpilot> Hobbsee, the chap with the intelligent word in his username?
[07:13] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: don't remember.  there were 2
[08:12] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, the way he asked is nearly identical to the one last week
[08:13] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: yes, very convenient.
[08:13] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: but i would reforward it, so people have no need to ask in -offtopic
[08:13] <elkbuntu> yep, do so
[08:14] <Hobbsee> do i have access to?
[08:14]  * Hobbsee doesn't knwo hwo to
[08:16] <elkbuntu> nor i
[08:17] <Hobbsee> nalioth: can you fix that please?
[08:18] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: really, i'd treat it as an auto-kline channel or something.
[08:18]  * nalioth guesses what
[08:18] <Hobbsee> nalioth: reforward.  see /query
[08:25] <Hobbsee> nalioth: thanks
[14:44] <PriceChild> !hardy
[14:44] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[14:44] <Hobbsee> that's like....4 days away
[14:44] <Hobbsee> and LP is borken :(
[14:45] <ikonia> I'd be surprised of not having a delay
[14:45] <PriceChild> So when are we openning party back up? :P
[14:45] <Hobbsee> they shouldn't delay, i would think
[14:45] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: now's a good time.  *shrug*
[14:45] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: send all the AWTYers there.
[14:46] <ikonia> Hobbsee: i'll bet you a cake of your choice
[14:46] <ikonia> I hope they don't actually
[14:47] <PriceChild> awtyers?
[14:47] <PriceChild> ohh are we ther eyet
[14:48] <ompaul> PriceChild, open it up and make it mute take the mute off on Wed and put that in an announce in the topic saying that it is open for visitors but the mute comes off during the daytime UK time Wed
[14:48] <ompaul> hehe
[14:49] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: yes
[14:49] <Hobbsee> ompaul: or you could just let them stew there.  They'd probably enjoy that.
[14:49] <ikonia> morning ompaul
[14:50] <ompaul> ikonia, 3pm ;-)
[14:50] <ikonia> I know I know
[14:50] <ompaul> ikonia, :)
[14:50] <ompaul>  it is always morning on the internet
[14:50] <ikonia> it's 5:00......somehwere
[14:56] <Hobbsee> it doesn't look like that many bugs that aren't done.
[14:56] <Hobbsee> testing might get pretty tight, though
[14:57] <ikonia> chose your cake
[14:57] <ompaul> !cake | ikonia
[14:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cake - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:57] <ompaul> the cake is a lie
[14:57] <Hobbsee> chocolate mud cake, please.
[14:57] <ikonia> a good choice
[14:57] <Hobbsee> the cake is always a lie.
[14:57] <Hobbsee> ompaul: it's a pity you don't have a linode.
[14:58] <Hobbsee> ompaul: there, the cake is *not* a lie.
[14:58] <ompaul> Hobbsee, what is a linode
[14:58] <ompaul> hahahahahaha
[14:58] <Hobbsee> ompaul: a vps
[14:58] <ompaul> ahh
[14:58] <Hobbsee> when you type cake into lish, it gives you a recipe.
[14:58] <Hobbsee> i haven't tried it yet.
[14:58] <Hobbsee> i'm thinking of doing so, though
[14:59] <ompaul>  /bin/sh makes assumptions which I personally don't like
[14:59] <ompaul> I think if you want bash choose bash
[14:59] <ompaul> and dash dash
[15:01] <ikonia> thats a tough thing
[15:01] <ikonia> as all the distros link sh to different thing
[15:01] <ikonia> eg: bash, dash, openbourne
[15:02] <ompaul> aye
[15:02] <ompaul> I don't like it and haven't since csh was replaced with tcsh in FreeBSD ;-)
[15:03] <ompaul> i.e. before most people knew there was software things you could run on machines other than the one that came with it
[15:04] <ikonia> tcsh doesn't bother me that much because of it's compatability, so linux/hpux/solaris/aix etc can have a strong gable that scripts in csh will be cross-compatible
[15:04] <ikonia> but sh / bourne / bash / dash / ash / open bourne - well thats a mess
[15:06]  * Hobbsee thinks all scripts should be compatible with a posix compliant shell.  end of story.
[15:06] <Hobbsee> that being said, i'll keep my zsh, thanks.
[15:07] <ikonia> Hobbsee: that would be the ideal world
[15:07] <Hobbsee> ikonia: things are changing
[15:08] <ikonia> with time.....
[15:08] <Hobbsee> ikonia: lenny wants all scripts to be compatible with dash, and not contain bashisms - it's a release goal.
[15:08] <ikonia> a hardy release goal ?
[15:08] <Hobbsee> a lot of ubuntu stuff has been getting changed, as it fails to build
[15:08] <Hobbsee> no, a lenny release goal.
[15:08] <ikonia> ooh
[15:08] <ikonia> sorry
[15:08] <ikonia> thats achievable, but still quite hard
[15:10] <jdong> Hobbsee: I personally think all shell scripts should ask for a shell they will run on....
[15:11] <Hobbsee> jdong: crack.
[15:11] <jdong> :(
[15:11] <jdong> lol
[15:11] <Hobbsee> jdong: and you'd also like cpanplus interactive builds, i take it.
[15:11] <Hobbsee> that locked up a buildd for *3* days.
[15:11] <jdong> of course #!/bin/sh is only a non-bourne shell on Linux
[15:12] <jdong> lol nice
[15:12] <Hobbsee> very.
[15:17] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (blotto)
[16:27] <LjL> *sigh*
[16:27] <LjL> blotto is tobfaim, etc, it's the same old bot
[16:27] <LjL> do a /whois
[16:28] <PriceChild> tobfaim?
[16:29] <LjL> quite. it took me half an hour to get it k-lined, but it had been around for days (with a couple of nicknames) unhindered, doing markov-chains "artificial intelligence" in several channels
[16:31] <PriceChild> Lemme see if I can get something done.
[16:32] <Hobbsee> LjL: wonder if it's a bot of a well-known nick changer
[16:33] <LjL> Hobbsee: eh... he's a nick changing bot?
[16:33] <Hobbsee> and i don't mean frank.
[16:33] <LjL> well-known, i wouldn't say that
[16:33] <LjL> since it's been around since april 5 and most ops and staff barely noticed
[16:33] <LjL> it even talked right here in #ubuntu-ops
[16:33] <Hobbsee> LjL: see /query
[16:33] <Hobbsee> lovely
[16:34] <LjL> *and* it took people a while to ban it realizing it wasn't human even here
[16:35] <PriceChild> seems like it just cycled
[16:41] <LjL> (PM) [17:40:42] <LjL> hello there [17:41:02] <blotto> LjL: are no ebuilds to satisfy "=app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0. 9. 0-r2"
[16:48] <Jucato> jussio1: please keep an eye on julie. I'm not sure if he/she is trolling or just plain clueless (either way she's starting to become annoying)
[16:48]  * Jucato is too tired.. won't last long
[16:48] <jussio1> heh, yeah
[16:48] <PriceChild> where is this?
[16:49] <jussio1> #k
[16:49] <Hobbsee> #kubuntu, most likely
[16:51]  * jussio1 hugs Jucato there we are :)
[16:58] <jussio1> Ok, im off for a bit. Julie looks a little trollish, so keep an eye on please. (#k and #k-ot)
[18:11] <Seveas> !hardy =~ s/- CONSIDER.* -/-/
[18:11] <ubotu> I'll remember that Seveas
[18:11] <Seveas> !hardy
[18:11] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:11] <Seveas> with the RC out, that's appropriate :)
[18:11] <ikonia> Seveas: when did it get RC status ?
[18:11] <Seveas> 2 days ago
[18:12] <ikonia> ooh really
[18:13] <ikonia> guess thats the punishment I have for going out this weekend
[18:20] <ubotu> In ubotu, Xengu said: !rape is an enjoyable experience that is sometimes also known as 'suprise sex'.
[18:21] <Myrtti> Erg
[18:21] <Myrtti> Get his ip
[18:22] <Myrtti> Please
[18:22] <Seeker`> -18:19:06- ~s~ Xengu ><EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[18:23] <Seeker`> Myrtti: that what you wanted?
[18:23] <Myrtti> Im on mobile so I cant. Thanks Seeker
[18:23] <Myrtti> Yeah
[18:23] <Myrtti> Watch him close, as
[18:24] <Myrtti> Soon as I get home Ill join #u again
[18:25] <Seeker`> He parted ubuntu 5 mins ago
[18:25] <Myrtti> Good.
[18:25] <Seeker`> He quit 4 seconds after sending that !rape thing
[18:25] <Myrtti> Ill still watch over  that hostname
[18:26] <Myrtti> Even better
[18:26] <Myrtti> Disgusting
[18:28] <ompaul> is that person banned?
[18:28] <ompaul> they are now
[18:29] <nalioth> it appears he caught a train
[18:31] <Seeker`> nalioth: what train might that be?
[18:32] <Seeker`> the ban train, the clue train or the k-line train?
[18:32] <nalioth> the k-line
[18:32] <Seeker`> ah, cool
[18:32]  * nalioth doesn't know any other type of train
[18:33] <Seeker`> shame about the lack of return tickets
[18:33] <Seeker`> :P
[18:33] <nalioth> ban hammer     clue bat      k-line
[18:34] <nalioth> not sure where trains fit into 'ban' and 'clue'
[18:35] <nalioth> but the k-line is right after the j-line and before the l-line
[19:20] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, crazytalk said: ubotu: that guide is wrong!
[19:21] <crazytalk> ubotu responds to 'that guide is wrong'?
[19:22] <stdin> [19:20]<ubotu> In #ubuntu, crazytalk said: ubotu: that guide is wrong!
[19:22] <stdin> it thinks you submitted a factiod
[19:22] <stdin> so it posts it for review
[19:23] <stdin> the trick is to not use the word "is" when talking to ubotu
[19:23] <crazytalk> kk
[19:23] <crazytalk> what is a factoid?
[19:23] <stdin> the message it gives from commands, like
[19:23] <stdin> !ping
[19:24] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[19:24] <stdin> ^ factoid
[19:24] <stdin> !bot
[19:24] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[19:24] <stdin> see that link for more
[19:24] <nalioth> not a very good example
[19:24] <crazytalk> ubotu ireland is cool
[19:24] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, crazytalk said: ubotu ireland is cool
[19:24] <crazytalk> !ireland
[19:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ireland - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:25] <crazytalk> ubotu finger is dude smell my finger
[19:25] <stdin> like I said crazytalk, when you submit one it posts it here for review
[19:25] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, crazytalk said: ubotu finger is dude smell my finger
[19:25] <crazytalk> !finger
[19:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about finger - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:25] <stdin> please don't abuse ubotu
[19:25] <crazytalk> ok
[19:25] <crazytalk> lol
[19:25] <nalioth> crazytalk: to prevent abuse, only certain folks can enter factoids
[19:25] <crazytalk> ahh kk
[19:25] <crazytalk> like developers?
[19:25] <stdin> no, just certain people who maintain the factoid database
[19:26] <crazytalk> cool
[19:26] <crazytalk> sorry i didn't mean to abuse
[19:26] <crazytalk> thanks guys
[19:26] <crazytalk> keep on trucking! :)
[20:00] <Myrtti> [21:59] <meliha> Slm Benle Dürüstce Arkadaþlýk Etmek Ýstiyorsan €€klkelee  hacerist25@
[20:00] <Myrtti> [21:59] *** meliha<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:00] <Myrtti> !msg
[20:00] <ubotu> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit AND help you. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude.
[20:01] <Myrtti> !msg > meliha
[20:01] <stdin> looks like I got the same from [dilseren] (n=hayal@<IP_ADDRESS>): emel
[20:13] <no0tic> meliha pm'ed me too
[20:16] <ompaul> that be spam
[20:26] <ompaul> nalioth, if you want to whack a mole <meliha> Slm Benle Dürüstce Arkadaþlýk Etmek Ýstiyorsan €€klkelee hacerist25@
[20:28] <AfterDeath> I'm getting odd spam from meliha (in #ubuntu)
[20:28] <AfterDeath> 19:27:47 <~meliha> Slm Benle D�r�stce Arkada�l�k Etmek �stiyorsan @@klkelee hacerist25@
[20:29] <AfterDeath> (this was in PM)
[20:32] <Myrtti> yes, we know
[20:32] <Myrtti> we've gotten it ourselves too
[20:48] <Seeker`> Got a random PM from meliha
[20:49] <PriceChild> Hey TuxIce, what's up?
[20:50] <TuxIce> whoa, how did i get into the ops channel
[20:50] <TuxIce> leaving now
[20:50] <PriceChild> look in your server window
[20:54] <MenZa> Spambot in #ubuntu. Keeps /query'ing me:
[20:54] <MenZa> [2008-04-20 21:53:53 CEST]  -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with meliha
[20:54] <MenZa> [2008-04-20 21:53:53 CEST]  <meliha> Slm Benle Dürüstce Arkadaþlýk Etmek Ýstiyorsan €€klkelee hacerist25@
[20:55] <MenZa><EMAIL_ADDRESS><-
[21:02] <Seeker`> MenZa: A few people have mentioned it now
[21:02] <Myrtti> there
[21:02] <no0tic> here too, second time
[21:02] <Myrtti> [23:02] *** mode/#ubuntu [+b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>by Myrtti
[21:02] <Myrtti> [23:02] *** meliha was kicked from #ubuntu by Myrtti [Myrtti]
[21:02] <MenZa> Not surprised, Seeker`
[21:03] <MenZa> Thanks, Myrtti :)
[21:47] <LjL> [21:51:49] <meliha> Slm Benle Dürüstce Arkadaþlýk Etmek Ýstiyorsan klkelee hacerist25@ <- PM, banned
[21:48] <Myrtti> again?
[21:49] <LjL> no, sorry i just connected. i thought he wasn't banned since my ban went through, but that's just because you had banned with a different mask
[22:13] <Seeker`> bug in a factoid
[22:13] <Seeker`> !awn
[22:13] <ubotu> awn is <Reply> Avant Window Navigator, is a dock-like navigation bar for the linux desktop that  positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/  Awn-Manager can be found the Gutsy !backports repository and  in Universe in Hardy
[22:16] <Seveas> !awn =~ s/R/r/
[22:16] <ubotu> Nothing changed there
[22:16] <Seveas> meh
[22:16]  * PriceChild fixed it
[22:24] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, rodserling said: !twss is <reply> That's What Seveas Said
[22:25] <ompaul> hehe no that is not going in the bot
[22:25] <Seveas> :)
[22:30] <LjL> i wouldn't be so sure
[22:32] <vorian> haha
[22:32] <vorian> that's fantastic
[22:58] <LjL> i have a feeling this irc_morons guy is some old aquaintance
[22:58] <Seveas> I share that feeling
[23:00] <Seveas> mrt 05 06:21:29 <--	HILLARY_CLINTON<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by tritium: "Politics are offtopic here.  Thanks.")
[23:00] <Seveas> apr 20 00:43:57 -->	The-Huge-Dahng<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[23:02] <LjL> Seveas: yes, i should learn from you to grep the logs stright away rather than trying to reload some dumb bantracker :P
[23:02] <Seveas> :)
[23:10] <LjL> i'd never mixed up spanish with portuguese before :(
[23:10] <LjL> aaah seveas
[23:10] <LjL> it's ccvp
[23:10] <Seveas> ah
[23:10] <LjL> [Sat Apr 12 2008] [22:19:46] Join       ccvp has joined this channel (n=Owner@user-24-214-126-81.knology.net).
[23:10] <LjL> [Sun Apr 20 2008] [00:43:59] Join       The-Huge-Dahng has joined this channel (n=Owner@user-24-214-126-81.knology.net).
[23:10] <LjL> [Sun Apr 20 2008] [23:47:14] Join       IRC_MORONS has joined this channel (n=Owner@user-24-214-126-81.knology.net).
[23:10] <LjL> [Sun Apr 20 2008] [23:57:35] Whois      IRC_MORONS is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Owner)
[23:10] <LjL> [Mon Apr 21 2008] [00:08:20] Whois      IRC_MORONS is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Owner)
[23:11] <ikonia> IRC_MORONS> :(){:|:&};:
[23:11] <ikonia> was that some sort of explout attempt ?
[23:11] <ikonia> LjL: I have ccvp on my list of known "issues
[23:11] <ikonia> Irssi: Offline: kenthomson, lightbook, topo, crozar, ccvp, Agent_Bob, naudiz, white_eagle, fullmon-t, chuy, arrg, MeNoS, tocar2ta, unagi, flea, bacta, kahrytan, gfetco, ted`, ted1
[23:11] <ikonia> ccvp is in there
[23:12] <LjL> ikonia: we have ccvp on the list of known permbanned people :P
[23:12] <LjL> but apparently we still manage to miss them
[23:12] <ikonia> ahhh
[23:12] <Seveas> ip address changed
[23:15] <Seeker`> ikonia: That is a fork bomb
[23:16] <ikonia> Seeker`: what does it do ?
[23:17] <LjL> oh, and folks, seriously - IMPORTANT - if you see someone who answers things semi-randomly (with phrases that almost make sense but not quite), it's most likely a bot that's been around lately
[23:17] <LjL> check /whois, it'll probably be in other channels too (#gentoo, ##javascript to name a couple)
[23:17] <Seeker`> heh, or one of a few other peopleI  know :P
[23:17] <LjL> ban on sight and report to freenode. you can check it's a bot by PM'ing, they'd answer within a minute with a random sentence
[23:17] <Seveas> I've banned that bot a few times already
[23:18] <Seeker`> ikonia: If you run it in a shell, it spawns copies of itself in an infinite loop, it uses up all your memory / CPU
[23:18] <Seeker`> ikonia: And it usually spawns new threads so quickly that by the time you realise what it does, your computer is too slow to stop it
[23:19] <ikonia> how nice
[23:22] <Seeker`> yeah, its not much more than an annoyance really
[23:22] <Seeker`> but it is still bad and wrong
[23:22] <ikonia> LjL: now a little time has passed, how do you find the ext3 recovery factoid being used and the people that are using it (if you know)
[23:24] <LjL> ikonia: it's been used a total of 22 times, that's about all i know :)
[23:25] <ikonia> rubbish ;)
[23:25] <ikonia> i only ask as someone was in channel asking about it
[23:25] <Seveas> !-ext3
[23:25] <ubotu> ext3 has no aliases - added by apokryphos on 2006-06-18 21:35:14
[23:25] <LjL> !recover
[23:25] <ubotu> Some tools to recover lost data are listed and explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery - Recovering deleted files on !ext3 filesystems can be virtually impossible, although a method that might work in some cases is described at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html


[08:12] <flux__> good morning all
[08:57] <flux__> good morning
[09:00] <flux__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1535058
[12:27] <faenil> Saviq: fresh Xenial setup, unity8-desktop-session-mir installed, log out, log in, black screen
[12:27] <faenil> unity8 says "QXcbConnectio: cannot connect to display"
[12:27] <faenil> or something along those lines
[12:30] <faenil> I have the bt, journal, etc in the .crash file
[12:32] <faenil> After reboot, it works
[12:32] <faenil> let me know if you want a bug for that ;)
[12:33] <pflux__> faenil, can you reproduce this bug? #1535058
[12:33] <faenil> pflux__: I have that on phone already
[12:33] <faenil> and there is a bug for it
[12:34] <pflux__> faenil, oh :>
[12:34] <pflux__> me trying on the phone
[12:35] <faenil> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmir/+bug/1527737
[12:36] <faenil> pflux__: yes, they don't start at all when launched from apps scope, on this laptop
[12:36] <pflux__> faenil, thanks :D confirmed then
[12:37] <pflux__> same here on this desktop
[12:37] <faenil> now I've just pressed Log Out, and I got a black screen...
[12:37] <pflux__> but.. if i launch the app from a VT it does open
[12:37] <pflux__> :/
[12:37] <pflux__> black screen sucks
[12:38] <pflux__> mzanetti, do you have any idea what it's going on? is unity8 or qtmir? ^^
[12:42] <faenil> mzanetti: is the logout thing a known issue?
[12:49] <faenil> oh no, the logout bug overwrote the .crash I had from the previous bug :/
[14:32] <faenil> anyway, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1535297
[15:16] <tsdgeos> davmor2: ping
[15:16] <davmor2> tsdgeos: hello
[15:17] <tsdgeos> davmor2: what's the hardware you use for the video of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-mediascanner/+bug/1517830 ?
[15:17] <tsdgeos> and can you reproduce it every time'
[15:17] <tsdgeos> ?
[15:18] <davmor2> has a look at the bug to remind himself
[15:33] <oSoMoN> greyback_, hey man, are you around?
[15:36] <greyback_> oSoMoN: yep, here
[15:37] <oSoMoN> greyback_, I’d very much welcome a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/qtubuntu/qkeyevent-native-virtual-key/+merge/282515 , when you have a moment for it
[15:39] <davmor2> tsdgeos: Flo but is happens on mako krillin and arale too just not to the same extent as flo
[15:40] <tsdgeos> davmor2: ok, just reproduced on Flo, you get it on the phone too? even if it's on portrait'
[15:40] <davmor2> tsdgeos: it's is more noticeable on Flo because of the landscape over protrait mode
[15:41] <davmor2> tsdgeos: yeah if you open an album in the scope you can see the top one or two track if you tap on the top one it jumps up to display as many of the track as it can rather than just play that track
[15:42] <tsdgeos> right
[15:43] <davmor2> tsdgeos: you just don't notice it as much as on flo because of the mode and display or at least you don't think about it as much
[15:46] <davmor2> tsdgeos: I think it is because on flo you already see a lot more of the track than you do on the other devices so you think it should just play where as it might make more sense when you can only see 1 or2 of the track list to move up to show all the tracks maybe :) Not sure anyway :)
[15:46] <tsdgeos> yeah i need to check
[15:46] <tsdgeos> i mean at least it should play and scroll
[15:46] <tsdgeos> not just scroll
[15:46] <davmor2> tsdgeos: yeap
[15:47] <davmor2> that would be an improvement
[16:48] <Daekdroom> Does Unity8 work with the proprietary nvidia drivers?
[17:15] <dandrader> Daekdroom, the right question is: "does Mir work with proprietary nvidia drivers?" better ask that on #ubuntu-mir
[17:15] <Daekdroom> dandrader, Oh, I see. I wasn't aware of that channel.
[17:39] <Saviq> ltinkl, http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qwindow.html#Visibility-enum
[19:22] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: i was wondering, could you install libglib2.0-0-dbg on the phone where you have the trouble so that the backtrace of thread 1 gets a bit longer?
[19:22] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, sure i can do that, no problem
[19:23] <pstolowski> trying silo 36 now
[21:01] <Saviq> Trevinho, have you tried pressing alt+tick on the desktop tile in alt-switcher recently? ;)
[21:03] <Trevinho> Saviq: mh, I think I did... why?
[21:03] <Trevinho> Saviq: getting crashes or what?
[21:06] <Saviq> Trevinho, yeah :)
[21:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I *think* it was GenericScopeView::test_searchQuery()
[21:39] <Trevinho> Saviq: oh, if you get a backtrace let me know...
[21:55] <Saviq> Trevinho, bug #1535460
[22:52] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/tryCompareFunctionInsteadOfWhile/+merge/283012
[23:56] <Saviq> camako, https://bugs.launchpad.net/avila/+bug/1535397


[00:02] <owner> hey James, I talked to you about some download problems a few days ago and now I have run into a new problem.  When I download something and go to open it, a window pops up saying "incorrect architecture".  Do you know how I could fix this?
[00:02] <pch> re
[00:15] <owner> Can anyone help me?...
[00:19] <James147> owner: are you trying to run a 64bit program in a 32bit envrioment?
[00:20]  * XuMuK is away: отстутствую))*
[00:22]  * XuMuK is back (gone 00:02:46)
[00:23] <owner> the sizes that are listed are 72.4 MiB for one and 19.2 MiB
[00:23]  * XuMuK is away: отстутствую))*
[00:24] <James147> for what program?
[00:25] <James147> owner: and whats the output f "uname -m"?
[00:29] <owner> where can I find that info?
[00:29] <James147> owner: open a terminal and type "uname -m" and hit enter, tell me what it says
[00:35] <owner> I'm not really good with computers and I don't know where to look for a terminal.
[00:36] <owner> That is why I am here
[00:37] <darkdelusions> Open a term Kmenu>System>Terminal
[00:37] <darkdelusions> Once it opens type in uname -m
[00:39] <James147> (or press alt+f2 > type "ternimal" press enter, then type "uname -m" in the window that appears
[00:39] <darkdelusions> that works to
[00:39] <darkdelusions> do /exec command work in quassel?
[00:42] <James147> ^^ terminal sorry :)
[00:45] <owner> what tab do I go under
[00:45] <James147> tab?
[00:47] <darkdelusions> just hit alt+f2 and type terminal and hit enter :)
[00:47] <oldirty> or 'konsole'
[01:00] <owner> It brought up a window with 5 tabs; general, display, local resources, programs, and performance.
[01:01] <darkdelusions> Humm
[01:02] <darkdelusions> so you hit alt+f2 and typed terminal?
[01:03]  * James147 cannot think what that window could be...
[01:03] <James147> owner: are you running kubuntu or ubuntu
[01:03] <James147> ?
[01:03] <darkdelusions> James147: its the "resource manager"
[01:04] <James147> darkdelusions: still cannot find it :0
[01:05] <darkdelusions> James147: Well he is using Quassel so I am gonna assume that he is on KDE
[01:05] <owner> I am running kubuntu James, and thats exactly what I did darkdelusions
[01:06] <darkdelusions> owner: Then click on the K in the lower left
[01:06] <darkdelusions> then click on system
[01:06] <James147> owner: what happens if you try it with "konsole" instead of "terminal"?
[01:06] <darkdelusions> amd scroll threw the list and find terminal\Konsole
[01:08] <owner> it says x86-64
[01:09] <James147> hm... then you should be able to run 32 or 64 bit programs... what program are you tring to install?
[01:10] <owner> skype for ubuntu
[01:10] <owner> brother is in the army and Im using skype to talk to him
[01:11] <dev001> Hi.  I've installed Kubuntu 10.10 (snapshot) on an old PowerBook G4 (ppc).  The LiveCD was fine; after install & reboot, tho, I get to the desktop, but the video scanrate is off/wrong.  I can see the desktop/items, etc but get lots of snow/has, and multiple ghost images ... Iiuc, 'sax' is a thing of the past -- from this desktop, how can i _fix_ the video?
[01:11] <darkdelusions> !skype
[01:11] <James147> owner: download this: http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-ubuntu-64 and try clicking on it in dolphin
[01:12] <James147> dev001: you should ask on #ubuntu+1 for maverick support
[01:12] <dev001> James147: even tho it's kubuntu?
[01:13] <James147> dev001: there is only one changel for amverick
[01:14] <dev001> James147: heh ... not sure what that means, but i'll head over there.
[01:19] <owner> ok I appreciate the help. Now i have one more question about my toolbar if you have the time for that
[01:44] <owner> I deleted the box on the toolbar that tells me when I am connected to the internet and my battery life and I was wondering how to get it back
[01:56] <owner> can anybody answer my question?...
[02:05] <olskolirc> say how about i change my sources.list from the word karmic to maverick and upgrade from there is that ok?  i got the maverick iso from http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/maverick/ and made a usb creator and its not bootable
[02:06] <p_res> Can someone help me with Desktop Search in KDE 4.5.1?
[02:14] <owner> I need help replacing items on my toolbar.  Could anyone help?
[02:24] <nobarking> does anyone know how to add to the leave menu in KDE?
[02:44] <LaMorT> Hey all
[02:45] <LaMorT> My webcam didn` t work with Emesene
[02:45] <LaMorT> I have a Hp pavilion dv5
[02:46] <LaMorT> No answer?
[02:47] <olskolirc> hey im trying to dual boot a usb flash boot drive i have karmic on one and i want maverick on the other usb partition how do i get it to do that wouthout creaming the whole drive and losing karmic?
[03:51] <bdizzle> hi, I was wondering if anyone has figured out how to get a Texas Instrument 5-in-1 SD card reader to work in kubuntu?
[04:09] <defist> moorning
[04:10] <sunnyG> Hello, need assistance with fresh install of Kubuntu 10.04.1. I can't see available wireless APs. can't find a suitable program in kpackagekit that will show me any wireless networkd in the area
[04:11] <sunnyG> I have been using Ubuntu for a while but the knetwork manager doesn't or at least I cant find the list of avail networks
[04:20] <sunnyG> nevermind, I'm an idiot, just needed a reboot for driver to fully load
[05:12] <look> i need some help
[05:12] <look> on Kubunt it says my network manager is "disabled" when its enabled...wat?
[05:13] <look> before hand on boot it did a check for errors...is that related?
[05:14] <look> i need a fix please...anyone?
[05:17] <look> nvm i fixed it no thanks to you people
[05:57] <zanthir> Hello world. ;)
[05:58] <zanthir> Anyone ever seen this in Mono? Error: Error: A dependency of a referenced assembly may be missing, or you may be referencing an assembly created with a newer CLR version. See the compilation output for more details.
[09:49] <vijay_> hello, where's the newbie channel?
[11:21] <banpdtr_> In one project source code, there is one file with LGPL licence. But that project holder issued Apache License 2.0. I want to use the project source code.. Can I use it ?
[11:33] <bala> hi, i am running 10.04, with kde-ppa, i am getting a : Calling the Nepomuk storage service failed: 'The name org.kde.NepomukStorage was not provided by any .service files'. error.
[11:34] <bala> is there a way i can fix this?
[11:54] <Riddell> ** testers needed for KDE Platform 4.5.2 on 10.10
[11:56] <James147> Riddell: I am up for that :)
[11:57] <Riddell> James147: join #kubuntu-devel
[12:24] <crackstore> hye all
[12:24] <crackstore> how to enable explosion for make windows explode when close window
[12:25] <crackstore> i try enable in system setting.. but the effect nothing
[12:25] <crackstore> anyone can help me?
[12:25] <crackstore> :)
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:21] <n8w> hey
[13:22] <n8w> i keep gettin this error for printin in okular after upgradin to 10.10: lpr: Bad job-sheets value ""!
[13:22] <n8w> any idea?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> n8w, ask in #ubuntu+1, it's the maverick support channel
[13:25] <n8w> BluesKaj:  thx man
[13:28] <Sadist_Boar> Ubuntu with TheVistaLinuxDesktop... =(
[13:29]  * Sadist_Boar gave up on LIzards' New UniX
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Sadist_Boar, ??
[13:30] <Sadist_Boar> And the Kubuntu is the worst - it failed to boot when unetbootined!
[13:31] <Sadist_Boar> gah
[13:31] <Sadist_Boar> =_=
[13:36] <denrus> Всем снова привет! :)
[13:37] <denrus> Слушайте, а кто-нибудь знает - команда update-grub обновляет данные для всех установленных систем, или только для текущей?
[13:37] <BluesKaj> !ru
[13:38] <denrus> Thanks. :)
[13:50] <amichair> does krfb work properly in lucid? (I know it doesn't in previous releases...)
[13:58] <BluesKaj> amichair, never got it to work either
[13:58] <amichair> BluesKaj: bummer, I hoped they had it fixed by now. It's been disfunctional for years...
[13:58] <BluesKaj> amichair, I haven't been able to make it work on lucid
[13:59] <amichair> BluesKaj: so x11vnc it is?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> amichair, are you doing a true remote sharing or just over a Lan ?
[14:01] <amichair> I'm gonna need it for very remote sharing :-)
[14:01] <faLUCE> Hi. I'm using 10.04 on an ACER aspire notebook. I connect to the www with a usb modem, which I turn on as a modem with usb_modeswitch.  It is seen as /dev/ttyUSB4. Unfortunately, if I plug in another usb device, I loose the connection of the modem and it doesn't appear anymore as /dev/ttyUSB4 ... what can I do? thanks
[14:02] <BluesKaj> x11vnc amichair ?
[14:02] <amichair> BluesKaj: isn't that the common alternative vnc server?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> amichair, dunno ..I'm asking not suggesting
[14:03] <amichair> or rather, krfb is an alternative to x11vnc :-)
[14:05] <BluesKaj> amichair, do you have a static IP ..somebody told me it's a requirement or some dns tracker at least
[14:06] <amichair> BluesKaj: I do, but there's no problem using any dynamic dns either.
[14:10] <BluesKaj> amichair, I tried a remote connect to my server with my laptop when I was visiting my son, but it wouldn't work
[14:10] <BluesKaj> using krfb
[14:11] <amichair> BluesKaj: as long as you know the IP address and have port forwarding/firewall set up, I don't think there should be a problem
[14:11] <amichair> oh, well... krfb doesn't work then
[14:11] <BluesKaj> was trying to retrieve some movies
[14:11] <amichair> but x11vnc should
[14:11] <amichair> or tightvnc, or one of the others
[14:12] <BluesKaj> amichair, well goodluck, let me know if you're successful
[14:14] <BluesKaj> amichair, which port should be used?
[14:15] <amichair> BluesKaj: the default is 5900, but you can use any, as long as you tell both server and client which to use
[14:42] <amichair> BluesKaj:  seems to be working ok with x11vnc. I think I'll tunnel over ssh to avoid messing with router/firewall, and for some added security (vnc security is a bit of an afterthought)
[14:42] <amichair> right now I'm testing from LAN
[14:45] <amichair> BluesKaj: as simple as http://kubuntuguide.org/Lucid#X11VNC_Server
[14:45] <BluesKaj> amichair, ok thanks , just installing  x11vnc, now
[14:46] <amichair> (I took out the loopbg param since I didn't quite get it, and it leaves lots of ghost processes around, and it works without it)
[14:46] <BluesKaj> amichair, will I need ssvnc too  ?
[14:46] <amichair> BluesKaj: I don't know ssvnc
[14:47] <BluesKaj>  loopbg param?
[14:47] <amichair> in the instructions from the link above
[14:58] <amichair> is there a standard(-ish) directory to put little scripts under the home dir?
[14:59] <Unksi> amichair: never heard of such
[14:59] <Unksi> unless its a script that is intended to run when logged in
[15:04] <amichair> Unksi: Nope, just little bash scripts, etc. No biggie, ~/scripts will do.
[15:06] <Unksi> ok :p not a bad idea^
[15:08] <BluesKaj> amichair, I don't see the command to remove theloopbg param
[15:09] <amichair> BluesKaj: the sample command in that link I gave u before, shows a command line with a -loopbg parameter. I just removed it from the command I ran.
[15:10] <amichair> but if you figure out what it's for and find it useful, you can leave it :-)
[15:11] <BluesKaj> amichair, I ran that command and it kept repeating the loopbg , it wouldn't stop til I exit the terminal
[15:12] <amichair> yes, I also saw some printout in a loop, and a whole lot of x11vnc processes created
[15:12] <amichair> I killed them, then ran the command again without -loopbg, and used it that way
[15:17] <BluesKaj> ok amichair I tried the startup script , but there's no response
[15:18] <amichair> BluesKaj: response where?
[15:18] <amichair> BluesKaj: for starters, try running the command manually (without the scripts), and try to connect from within the LAN - does that work?
[15:19] <amichair> BluesKaj: i.e., just run 'x11vnc -forever -rfbport 5900 -rfbauth ~/.vnc/x11vnc.pass -o ~/.vnc/x11vnc.log -display :0' in the console
[15:19] <amichair> (assuming you ran the set password command already)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> got the x11vnc gui up but the font is so small I can't read it :)
[15:21] <BluesKaj> I'm on our 42" tv/monitor
[15:21] <amichair> BluesKaj: is that the client or server?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> it would be the client if I'm running it from here , right
[15:23] <amichair> btw if you look at the x11vnc man, there's a gazillion options, some about scaling and resolution stuff... but I just used krdc on a netbook as the client for the test, and used some heavy scrollbaring to move around the remote desktop - it's good enough for me
[15:24] <amichair> some vnc clients also have client-side scaling etc.
[15:24] <amichair> though scaling can indeed make everything too small as to be unreadable
[15:24] <BluesKaj> well, justtesting the client, obviously I need to install both client and server on the other linux machines on our lan
[15:25] <amichair> BluesKaj: in any case, if you got the basic thing going, you can take it on from there :-)
[15:27] <amichair> just remember vnc itself has no encryption and a weak authentication scheme, so it's good to wrap it in something else (ssh, ssl, whatever works for you)
[15:36] <BluesKaj> amichair, yeah I have ssh working well
[15:37] <amichair> BluesKaj: great :-)
[15:46] <nyavuz> hi ,first, accept my appologize for my bad english,  i am use kubuntu 10.04 , i am dont install wine , but today when i open my home floder, in my home floder  have some files, my videos, my photos,,, dont understand, for what   kubuntu needs the floders? what is that?
[16:04] <tacomaster> does kubuntu have a hardware driver program for propritary drivers like ubuntu has?
[16:16] <rork> tacomaster: yes, most (all?) software for ubuntu is also available for kubuntu, I think it's called "hardware drivers" and should be installed by default
[16:16] <Riddell> rork: all the same software is available, since kubuntu is part of ubuntu
[16:17] <rork> ah, thought so ^^
[16:22] <rin> hello lovely everybody :-)
[16:24] <rork> hi
[16:29] <rin> bald schneid's
[16:45] <tacomaster> what is on the dvd that is not one the cd version of kubuntu?
[16:46] <rin> i don't no
[16:46] <rin> im intrest in this
[16:54] <amichair> tacomaster, rin: many more packages/apps/drivers that don't need to be downloaded separately after installation, afaik
[16:54] <tacomaster> o ok
[16:55] <rin> hm okay, thankyou... i think so
[16:56] <rin> but im voll afraid with the cd version... is perfekt for me and all my devises is full suported
[16:57] <amichair> and there's nothing on the DVD that you can't just install from the repos anyway.
[16:58] <amichair> I'm actually not sure who uses the DVD... for multiple installations (where saving b/w would really matter) you can make a custom image in OEM setup mode anyway...
[16:59] <amichair> maybe just for systems with no connectivity and special package needs.
[17:23] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[17:23] <phoenix_> any tried using vlc 1.1.4 in kubuntu 10.04
[17:45] <BajK__> There is no novell-kio-slave or such? that I can access novell shares just like nfs/smb ones?
[17:46] <BajK__> hm lol
[17:46] <BajK__> ah
[18:22] <mvk> i screwed up my nvidia driver install, but now when i boot my computer
[18:23] <mvk> it hangs right after grub, ->> so i inserted my kubuntu cd , and booted the livecd
[18:23] <mvk> what should i do next?
[18:23] <mvk> can i disable my splashcreen from the livecd?
[18:27] <mvk> help :P
[19:15] <AciD> hi
[19:15] <nascentmind> Hi. Why is vim scrolling slow in konsole?
[19:20] <Tomppa>
[19:46] <nerdy_kid> hi; i am trying to upgrade to 10.10 and get the error "E: Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for x11-xkb-utils, probably a dependency cycle." when the upgrade tries to start.
[20:10] <nerdy_kid_> hi; i am trying to upgrade to 10.10 and get the error "E: Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for x11-xkb-utils, probably a dependency cycle." when the upgrade tries to start.
[20:10] <nerdy_kid_> how do i fix it?
[20:10] <Pici> nerdy_kid_: step 1) ask in #ubuntu+1 thats the 10.10 support channel
[20:11] <nerdy_kid_> Pici ah yes thanks
[20:11] <Pici> (step 2, do what they say) :P
[20:11] <nerdy_kid_> lol thanks
[21:25] <upec> o que faço para atualizar?
[21:26] <upec> os programas do neu computador?
[22:05] <delight> would it have harmed that much to support the LTS (lucid) with another parallel kde (4.5.2) release ... after advertising/encouraging ppl to try kde 4.5.1 on lucid ?
[22:07] <James147> delight: why no just use the backports?
[22:08] <delight> James147: i do .. .but there won't be no 4.5.2 on backports ... as i read the annoucement on kubuntu.org
[22:08] <delight> did i miss something ?
[22:09] <James147> delight: ahh, yeah, dosnt look like kde 4.5.2 will be on lucid... but if you want to use it you may as well just upgrade to maverick
[22:10] <James147> not sure why 4.5.2 isnt on lucid though...
[22:11] <delight> James147: i know ... but not as long as it RC ... not even 2 - 3 weeks after release ;) ... <<< thats experience ... it needs some time till all repositories settle to the next release ;)
[22:11] <delight> 3rd party repos
[22:11] <James147> delight: but considering taht the backports arnt actually supported by kubuntu (even though the devs do work on them) there is no obligation to put anything in them :)
[22:12] <delight> maybe even longer ... i got it thou on some boxes of mine ... but not on my laptop ... <<< daily work ... need to stay productive
[22:12] <James147> delight: yeah, them it might be best to wait abit them... do you really need 4.5.2 that badly, its only  maintence release :)
[22:13] <delight> James147: not really ... i just found it kinda sad to not make it a parallel release like with the 4.5.0 and 4.5.1 before ...
[22:13] <KukuNut> i don't understand either
[22:14] <delight> there is this dbus problem anyways ... luckily i got an nvidia ... so the open-source prob didn't hit me :) ... not on my working machine ...
[22:14] <KukuNut> 10.04 is LTS right?
[22:14] <delight> would be great thou ... esp. as it got some performance improvements
[22:14] <delight> KukuNut: yes
[22:15] <James147> KukuNut: thats right, but that only means security/major bugs will get fixed... kubuntu never upgrades a major package version during a release... which is why you need to use the backports ppa
[22:15] <KukuNut> James147: you mean 4.5.2 is a maintenance release of 4.5.1? so why noy apply to 4.5.1 Lucid?
[22:15] <KukuNut> *not
[22:15] <delight> funny thing about it is ... its a LTS and while gnome gets maintainance love .... getting the minor release updates on LTS kde stucks with the version
[22:16] <delight> KukuNut: well the point is 4.5.1 was never officially released for lucid
[22:16] <James147> KukuNut: I am not sure why they ahvent, might have had a problem with running it in lucid, ut I havent heard anything about it yet... maby Riddell could explain?   :)
[22:16] <delight> so there is no thing like maintainance support for that ... but its kinda sad ...
[22:16] <delight> on the other hand i don't understand why there is not maintainance releases of kde 4.4.x
[22:17] <delight> i think 4.4.6 is the actual version ... if i don't make a mistake on this
[22:18] <delight> oh its 4.4.5
[22:19] <KukuNut> James147: IIR the announcement seems to imply 10.10 is the way to go
[22:19] <KukuNut> IIRC
[22:24] <delight> KukuNut: its allways just gnomes ;) http://goo.gl/AC5K :-D *hehe
[22:25] <delight> just kidding
[22:42] <sjm> list
[23:00] <RadSurfer> I just did a FRESH install of kubuntu :) Can I get a little help please to fetch 'gcc' and required compiler tools
[23:01] <Riddell> RadSurfer: System Settings -> Add and Remove Software or Software management  to install or remove packages
[23:01] <Riddell> or use apt-get if you prefer the command line
[23:01] <RadSurfer> yes, I prefer command line.
[23:02] <RadSurfer> I know its "build-essentials" is that it?
[23:02] <James147> RadSurfer: yes, that will install most of the build tools you need :)
[23:02] <RadSurfer> Ok.  So far this installation went REMARKABLY smooth for me!!
[23:03] <sjm> hello every one
[23:04] <sjm> how can i kwow which  version i had installed on my computer
[23:05] <James147> sjm: version of what? kubuntu? "cat /etc/issue" will tell you that
[23:06] <sjm> yeah, the version of my ubuntu?
[23:07] <frogonwheels> lol tip - if you've got a wireless mouse/keyboard and you're gonna reinsert the logitech modules to  get the mouse working - do rmmod/insertmod on one command line - one you've removed the modules, the keyboard doesn't work :)
[23:07] <Riddell> RadSurfer: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get build-essential
[23:08] <RadSurfer> yes, I got it. Thanks.
[23:08] <RadSurfer> testing gcc now.
[23:08] <James147> frogonwheels: also dont disable usb in the bios when you only have a usb keyboard :D
[23:08] <RadSurfer> yippee! success.
[23:09] <frogonwheels> James147: ahh yes - will remember that one :)
[23:10] <frogonwheels> James147: at least I have one ps/2 keyboard left floating about..
[23:10] <James147> frogonwheels: same here, or I would have had to pull that battery on the motherboard to reset the bios ;P .. but anyway tahts getting offtopic
[23:23] <chaaya> in transition from gnome to kde under 10.04, i'm in a situation where nautilus still boots and provides a desktop -- obscured by KDE's desktop. You only see it for a moment on shutdown. any idea what's starting nautilus in this mode?
[23:32] <delight> chaaya: check in systemsettings for the startup process ... maybe there is nautilus ... besides ... if you don't start nautilus with the option --no-desktop
[23:32] <delight> it tryes managing your desktop
[23:32] <RadSurfer> I just installed vlc.  Where can I get the other codecs I might need please?
[23:32] <delight> so either one of both
[23:33] <delight> RadSurfer: just try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:33] <RadSurfer> what all does that add?
[23:33] <delight> this is a little more then you need ... but usually its placed good
[23:33] <delight> it will show you ...
[23:33] <delight> you have to say "Y" before the install starts
[23:33] <delight> ;)
[23:34] <delight> besides for real codec support inclusive encoded dvds etc. you need medibuntu
[23:34] <RadSurfer> why does/did that ask to remove vlc?
[23:34] <delight> really ?? wow
[23:34] <delight> never saw that i got vlc installed in parallel
[23:35] <chaaya> delight: am checking now... however, this is a transition from gnome to kde, so there is probably some stuff set up by gnome desktop running
[23:35] <RadSurfer> next item I use alot is ffmpeg, recommendations?
[23:36] <delight> i usually install tovid ... which brings in a bunch of media dependencies ...
[23:36] <delight> k9copy is another one ;)
[23:36] <delight> well thats just my way <<< to lazy to go one by one
[23:39] <RadSurfer> something I read suggested that 'restricted' package removed vlc, evidently in error.
[23:40] <RadSurfer> so far so good. ffmpeg next.
[23:41] <RadSurfer> WOWSERS! this has really come along way!
[23:41] <RadSurfer> I can remember when playing flv's would crash linux!
[23:42] <chaaya> RadSurfer: bad memory ?
[23:42] <RadSurfer> not for me. just in general.
[23:42] <RadSurfer> certain media formats would really do harm to some systems.
[23:43] <RadSurfer> probably already 'damaged' ones
[23:47] <RadSurfer> how do I get flash?
[23:47] <RadSurfer> apparently I can't just save it to hdd?
[23:48] <RadSurfer> I got it.
[23:53] <sjm> hello
[23:55] <sjm> is there any dictionary like easy lingo or babylon compatable with ububtu so i can use it just by press ctrl and mouse??
[23:55] <RadSurfer> this PC has an nvidia card. I think there's a glitch somewhere....
[23:55] <chaaya> what is it that launches nautilus to to provide the desktop during startup?
[23:57] <RadSurfer> Thank you for your assistance. So far so good.


[00:54] <mtaylor> feature request... "Lee Bieber has proposed merging ~kalebral/drizzle/drizzle-clean-code into Drizzle Active Development Branch." ... anyway that lp: could be prefixed there, or a full lp:~blah/blah could go in the email?
[00:54] <mtaylor> it makes it easier to cut and paste if I don't have to type lp: :)
[00:55] <Rinchen> jml, ^^
[00:55] <jml> mtaylor: yeah, that's a great idea -- I *think* we already have a bug open for that one. Let me check.
[00:56] <mtaylor> jml: it's, of course, not killing me or anything
[00:56] <jml> (actually, there might even be a branch that fixes it...)
[00:56] <jml> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/249227
[00:58] <jml> spiv: hello
[00:58] <jml> spiv: have you anything more to say on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/121193 ?
[00:59]  * spiv looks
[01:01] <spiv> jml: well, I still think that the ideal test for that bug is getting a new user to try perform that task
[01:02] <spiv> jml: although finding new users willing to be guinea pigs is easier said that done, not to mention explaining to a new user what this task actually is in a way that doesn't invalidate the results :)
[01:02] <jml> spiv: right.
[01:02] <spiv> (Which is a problem in itself, but not really one in the scope of the bug...)
[01:03] <spiv> So, I'll take another look at staging now.
[01:03] <jml> spiv: thanks.
[01:04] <spiv> Huh, the big search box on the front page no longer leads me to a way to register a project if there are no hits for my search.
[01:05] <spiv> Ok, merely registering a project is now harder to find than it used to be, but I'm now over that hurdle.
[01:06] <spiv> Whoops, not quite.
[01:06] <spiv> Man, I've already filed a bug about this.
[01:06] <spiv> Pardon me while I go make cranky noises on that other bug.
[01:28] <spiv> jml: Ok, I'm done venting in https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/246442, back to your bug
[01:29] <jml> spiv: :D
[01:32] <spiv> Ok, registered a test project.
[01:32] <spiv> Now I'm at an ambiguous point, wrt to the bug.
[01:33] <spiv> Which comes first: the desire for lp:myproject, or the branch that will become lp:myproject? :)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> cody-somerville: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[01:33] <spiv> jml: so, here's some thinking out loud:
[01:34] <spiv> jml: if there's no code for this project, a note about that on the overview page for that project (i.e. lp.net/foo) is probably appropriate
[01:35] <spiv> jml: similarly, if there is at least one branch, but no development focus, the project is (typically) only partially configured.  So a nag to the proj adminstrator on the overview page (or via email?) seems appropriate?
[01:36] <spiv> Email's a bit much, I think; savvy users will set dev focusses fairly promptly, and don't need an email that will be out of date by the time they receive it.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> cody-somerville: pong?
[01:37] <spiv> Branch registration time would be another good place to nag/prompt for "and is this branch the dev focus?", except that many new branches arrive via "bzr push".
[01:38] <spiv> jml: I wonder, how common is it that the development focus is *not* the first branch registered?
[01:38] <spiv> jml: maybe launchpad should JFDI, and let users change it later if they want it set differently?
[01:38] <jml> spiv: lifeless and I were discussing this on #bzr yesterday
[01:39] <spiv> I imagine we can actually get some stats out of the DB to approximately answer that second-last question, btw.
[01:39] <jml> spiv: I think there's a lot to be said for that.
[01:40] <jml> spiv: I think the two other interesting cases are: projects that have code imports (e.g. Twisted) and projects that only have random branches from people.
[01:41] <spiv> Right.  Basically, projects where the active code development by the project's official team isn't taking place in Launchpad.
[01:41] <spiv> Idea: Disabling "lp:proj" altogether for a project is approximately equal to setting "Does not use Code" flag?
[01:44] <jml> spiv: I think so.
[01:45] <jml> spiv: but thumper disagrees.
[01:45] <spiv> I wonder what use cases he has in mind?
[01:46] <spiv> I know that theoretically some projects might not want a single development focus at all, but I'm not sure it's worth penalising everyone else for that.
[01:47] <spiv> (And so long as those hypothetical projects can set lp:foo/focusA, lp:foo/focusB, etc, they probably wouldn't care about lp:foo)
[01:48] <spiv> A slightly more restricted version of auto-setting lp:foo would be "the first branch in that project registered by a project owner".
[01:48] <spiv> I don't see any harm in that.
[01:48] <jml> spiv: the use cases are projects like Twisted, I think.
[01:48] <jml> spiv: there should be *something* that says they don't use Launchpad for codehosting
[01:49] <jml> spiv: but people should still be able to do 'bzr branch lp:twisted'
[01:49] <spiv> Worst case a project can always upload a trivial branch for lp:foo that has a single file, README, that says "The real source repo is svn://..." or whatever.
[01:50] <spiv> jml: right, and so long as a bzr branch of Twisted trunk exists somewhere, LP already allows the project owners to make that work.  So I'm not sure what the issue is?
[01:51] <spiv> That there might be projects with bzr branches owned by project owners, but none of those branches are trunk?
 Idea: Disabling "lp:proj" altogether for a project is approximately equal to setting "Does not use Code" flag?
[01:51] <jml> that's what we're talking about, right?
[01:52] <spiv> Oh, right.  Well, that was more an idea of a way to think about things, rather than a concrete suggestion :)
[01:52] <spiv> I didn't exactly try thinking it through carefully :)
[01:53] <jml> spiv: so what proposition did you think we were discussing?
[01:53] <spiv> Auto-setting lp:foo to be the first branch registered (by a project owner).
[01:54]  * jml reads scrollback in this new light
[01:55] <jml> spiv: ok.
[01:55] <jml> spiv: so, one possible danger is that default stacking is tied to the development focus
[01:55] <jml> "danger" is too strong..
[01:55] <spiv> Ooh, stacking provides yet another wrinkle.  Exciting!
[01:56] <spiv> So branching and then tracking an immature project is likely to cause inconvenience.
[01:57] <jml> spiv: perhaps.
[01:57] <spiv> I think that's going to be true anyway; young projects rapidly and radically change processes, tools, etc, relative to mature projects.
[01:58] <spiv> And I suspect that the first branch is still likely to be the right branch for lp:foo.
[01:58] <jml> spiv: I mean, if you create a dev focus automatically, then new branches will stack on that, if the dev focus changes, the branches stacked on the old dev focus will still work
[01:59] <spiv> Ok.  But then you're tracking a branch that isn't the dev focus, possibly without realising?
[02:00] <jml> spiv: what do you mean by "tracking a branch" here?
[02:00] <spiv> jml: something intentionally vague ;)
[02:01] <spiv> jml: either regularly mirroring via pull, or regularly merging into a branch that was branched off it.
[02:01] <spiv> And perhaps other things; whatever users of source code tend to do with projects they are interested in?
[02:07] <jml> oh right, so orthogonal to stacking
[02:08] <spiv> Right.
[02:08] <jml> spiv: ok, for a minute there I thought you were responding to something I said :P
[02:08] <spiv> You wish ;)
[02:08] <leonel> in my ppa  there's a  copy packages
[02:09] <leonel> I've made a hardy package
[02:09] <jml> spiv: so, one wouldn't be tracking a non-trunk branch, lp:foo would always point to trunk, the issue is that the trunk branch would be a different one.
[02:09] <leonel> if I copy to gutsy  the package will get builded for gutsy  automagically ???
[02:09] <spiv> jml: So, I think the best solution probably is more automatic than the status quo.  For this bug, I'll add a branch to this test project and then see how it looks.
[02:09] <jml> spiv: cool.
[02:10] <spiv> jml: well, it depends on if the bzr client will always remember "lp:foo" or the thing that lp:foo resolves to...
[02:10] <jml> spiv: if you don't find anything terrible, I think I'll close off this bug and file another.
[02:10] <jml> spiv: yeah, that wacky bzr client :P
[02:10] <cprov> leonel: no, you can't rebuild the same source in another distroseries (because it will generate the same binary versions with different contents).
[02:10] <leonel> cprov: so what is that copy for ??
[02:10] <spiv> jml: either way might be problematic in some situations.  (I suspect the current behaviour is remembering "lp:foo", and I think that's probably the least bad option)
[02:11] <cprov> leonel: copying source + binaries will work, but copying binaries backward is risky
[02:11] <jml> spiv: yes.
[02:11] <leonel> cprov:  Ok I can do it for gutsy and copy to hardy  in the public  apt source  right ??
[02:12] <cprov> leonel: for copying stuff between PPAs, propagating source & binaries forward, etc
[02:12] <leonel> cprov: ok thank you
[02:13] <cprov> leonel: you don't need to mess with the client apt sources_list, copy source & binaries from gutsy to hardy.
[02:15] <leonel> cprov: I won't copy I just understood that my ppa packages with that copy will be rebuilded for other ubuntu version
[02:15] <leonel> cprov: thank you
[02:21] <spiv> jml: So, I just registered a branch (a remote one, for the sake of trying something new and also to avoid LP trying to mirror something that doesn't exist).  That dumps me at the page for that newly-created branch, which a) has several high links suggesting merging this into other branches, although none exist yet (which I think is ok, actually, just marginally surprising), b) doesn't mention to me the lack of development focus.
[02:25] <spiv> jml: If I think take the link back to the project page (either via the big code tab button, or via the project name in the branch details) I'm taken to the code overview page, with a reasonably prominent "set it now" message about the development focus.
[02:25] <spiv> jml: which seems pretty good.
[02:25] <spiv> jml: So I'm happy to consider my original bug closed.
[02:25] <spiv> jml: good work :)
[02:25] <jml> spiv: cool. thanks.
[02:25]  * jml closes that one and files some more.
[02:27] <jml> spiv: can you mark the remote branch as the dev focus?
[02:31] <spiv> jml: I just closed that bug myself, actually :P
[02:31] <spiv> jml: yes, I can mark it as a dev focus
[02:33] <jml> spiv: hmm. that has dubious utility.
[02:34] <spiv> jml: proprietary code?
[02:35] <spiv> jml: anyway, that's a separate problem, and one I don't care about :)
[02:35] <jml> spiv: hmm, I guess we do resolve lp:foo for remote branches.
[02:35]  * jml is satisfied.
[02:35] <jml> spiv: thanks for the help.
[02:35] <spiv> You're welcome.  At least someone paid attention to that bug report, unlike some others I've filed ;)
[04:06] <emgent> uhm.. some launchpad people around ?
[04:07] <emgent> i dont understand why all user have permission to set maps location in the user that dont set it yet.
[04:07] <emgent> example: https://launchpad.net/~darksun88/+editlocation
[04:07] <beuno> emgent, there's a bug open for that
[04:07] <beuno> but it was done on purpose
[04:08] <emgent> ah ok.
[04:08] <emgent> cool.
[05:16] <kirkland> where can i find my openid string in my launchpad account page?
[05:16] <kirkland> i know i've seen it before, but i can't put my finger on it now
[05:16] <beuno> kirkland, on your user page
[05:17] <kirkland> beuno: thank you... where?
[05:17] <beuno> kirkland, under SSH keys
[05:17] <beuno> you may need to log into edge
[05:18] <kirkland> beuno: hmm, let me try that
[05:18] <beuno> kirkland, are you in the launchpad beta team?
[05:19] <kirkland> beuno: i was at one time....
[05:19] <beuno> that's probably where you saw it, if you're not anymore
[05:19] <kirkland> beuno: hmm, i'm still not seeing it
[05:19] <beuno> I can add you again
[05:19] <kirkland> thanks
[05:19] <beuno> openid is only for beta users AFAIK
[05:20] <kirkland> i'm logged in through edge
[05:20] <kirkland> beuno: is that going to be opened up, at some point?
[05:20] <beuno> kirkland, yes, although I don't know what it's blocked on
[05:20] <beuno> kirkland, refresh (or maybe log out and back in again)
[05:22] <kirkland> beuno: ah, there it is
[05:22] <kirkland> beuno: thanks
[05:23] <beuno> kirkland, :)
[05:43] <persia> beuno, I'm not a beta user, and I use LP openID daily.
[05:43] <kirkland> persia: but do you know your OpenID url?
[05:43] <persia> No.
[05:43]  * persia looks
[05:45] <persia> I'd need to trace network traffic.  REVU and w.u.c both know my OpenID url (or one that works for me)
[05:45] <kirkland> persia: right
[05:45] <kirkland> persia: Launchpad can tell you your OpenID url
[05:46] <kirkland> persia: but evidently you have to be in the beta testers team to see it
[05:46] <persia> Ah, but it only tells edge users.  Now I get it.  I still think it's inaccurate to claim "openid is only for beta users" when so many of us non-beta users rely on it.
[05:46] <beuno> persia, right, everyone has one, but only beta testers see it
[05:47] <Ursinha> beuno, didn't know that
[05:47] <beuno> Ursinha, hi. What are you doing up!?
[05:48] <Ursinha> hahaha same as you, and you don't have the "hey, i'm in NZ" excuse anymore :P
[05:48] <beuno> persia, I think there are some decisions left to be made with OpenID, so they're keeping it in beta
[05:48] <wgrant> The URL changed in RF recently, IIRC.
[05:48] <persia> beuno, but it's *not* in beta if I can use it.  That's my point.  it's a false claim.
[05:49] <beuno> Ursinha, I had tons of work I needed to finish before tomorrow (london) morning. That's my excuse!
[05:49] <wgrant> Because the old URLs are very broken.
[05:49] <Ursinha> beuno, ok ok :)
[05:49] <beuno> :p
[05:49] <beuno> Ursinha, are you on the night shift, or just sleepless?
[05:49] <spm> Ursinha: sounds to me like beuno is clutching at very very vague straws :-)
[05:49] <beuno> hahah
[05:50] <spm> I just wish the pair of you would admit you prefer talking to us aussies.... :-P
[05:50]  * beuno is starting to wonder if he has Ursinha and beuno on highlight
[05:50] <wgrant> Oh dear. It's an Australian.
[05:50] <Ursinha> hahahaha
[05:50] <beuno> spm, we like to talk to people from the future
[05:50] <beuno> so we're well informed of what's going to happen
[05:51] <Ursinha> spm, yes, that's that beuno said
[05:51] <spm> beuno: lol!
[05:51]  * beuno sold all his stock before everything went down hill thanks to it
[05:52]  * wgrant will be travelling to the past in December.
[05:52] <Ursinha> hahahaha
[05:52] <wgrant> Who broke the PPA buildd master?
[05:52] <Ursinha> beuno, my night shift ended 3 hours ago
[05:52] <spm> wgrant: when?
[05:53] <wgrant> spm: All PPA buildds are idle, and I've had builds with 19 seconds until start for several minutes now.
[05:53]  * ajmitch wonders what can be done about having so many australians around
[05:53] <wgrant> I suppose with all the new buildds the slave-scanner could take a while, but not this long.
[05:53]  * wgrant moves ajmitch to .au too.
[05:53] <beuno> hey ajmitch
[05:53]  * wgrant crashes .nz into .au.
[05:53] <ajmitch> that certainly wouldn't make me australian
[05:54] <ajmitch> hello
[05:54] <beuno> ajmitch, never bumped in to eachother again, but it nice to meet you
[05:54] <beuno> always cool to put a face on a nickname
[05:54] <ajmitch> yes, it's good to meet random LP people :)
[05:55] <jml> LP is world famous in New Zealand
[05:55] <ajmitch> groan
[05:55] <spm> jml: ???? care to rephrase that? :-)
[05:55] <beuno> well, doesn't like 10% of the population work on LP?
[05:55] <jml> ajmitch: sorry. I had to try that at least once :)
[05:55]  * beuno ducks
[05:55] <Ursinha> beuno, lol
[05:55] <Ursinha> hauhauah
[05:55] <jml> spm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%26P
[05:55] <wgrant> Does Canonical employ sheep?
[05:55] <ajmitch> jml: once is enough :)
[05:56] <jml> ajmitch: heh heh
[05:56] <spm> jml: oh gawd. it's an advertsing slogan. no wonder it doesn't make sense. :-D
[05:58] <beuno> ok, I'm off to sleep for a few hours before my next call is up
[05:58] <spm> night beuno!
[05:59] <beuno> have a good afternoon spm
[05:59] <ajmitch> night
[05:59]  * beuno waves to the channel and closes his laptop lid
[06:02] <Ursinha> beuno, good morning :P
[06:02] <Ursinha> see you tomorrow
[06:02]  * Ursinha waves goodbye
[06:02] <spm> Night Ursinha!
[06:03] <Ursinha> spm, actually I missed the "to beuno" part
[06:03] <Ursinha> have to talk with jml before leaving :)
[06:04] <spm> Ursinha: I was gunna say - it's not my EOD yet, be earlyfor yuo to EOD yourself! ;-)
[06:04] <spm> wgrant: those buildd's seem to be still kicking along.
[06:04] <wgrant> spm: They've woken up now, yes.
[06:04] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[06:04] <wgrant> No logs, though.
[06:05] <wgrant> So the slave-scanner might be being a bit slothful.
[06:05] <wgrant> And it really doesn't take that long to build.
[06:05] <wgrant> So something is still wrong.
[06:07] <spm> interesting. it appeared to have gone gaga for quite a while. still chasing...
[06:08] <wgrant> It has been happening a bit lately.
[06:08] <spm> hmmm. cprov was chasing something this morning. possibly related.
[09:34] <thekorn> hi, there are some bugs/unclear descriptions on https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc, what's the right place to report this?
[09:35] <james_w> thekorn: on launchpadlib I think. I think it's automatically generated.
[09:37] <wgrant> I suspect the descriptions will come from Launchpad.
[09:38] <mwhudson> yeah, launchpad
[09:38] <thekorn> good, thanks
[12:44] <Peng_> jml: ping?
[12:57] <Flimm> Hello, I've got a question about netiquette on Launchpad, should I address other people by their first names in the comments of a bug report?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Flimm: either that, or their launchpad username.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> whatever their display name is is usually the most sensible one to use
[12:58] <Flimm> Their display name being their full name, or their username?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> their display name being just before "wrote <length of time> ago.
[12:59] <Peng_> I always feel awkward calling people by their first name, but I feel even more awkward saying "Mr. Lastname" or something. I usually use username or first name.
[12:59] <Peng_> Conversation killed?
[13:01] <Flimm> It should be in the Ubuntu Code of Conduct! ;-)
[13:01] <Hobbsee> i figure that whatever they set as their display name is what they want to be called, unless i know them.
[13:01] <Flimm> Not at all.
[13:04] <Flimm> Hmm, I guess I would want to be called David D Lowe unless I recognise the user who is addressing me, in which case I wouldn't mind being called David
[13:06] <Flimm> Well, I guess my question has been answered, thank you everyone.
[13:11] <oSoMoN> hi folks
[13:11] <oSoMoN> I need to change the actual version number of a release I just registered for project elisa-plugin-weather
[13:11] <oSoMoN> anyone can help me?
[13:12] <oSoMoN> it seems this cannot be done from the web frontend
[13:16] <Flimm> You can't do this yourself, you'll have to ask a Launchpad admin to do it
[13:17] <Flimm> I don't if there are any Launchpad admins here... if you post a question at Launchpad itself, a Launchpad admin will eventually get round to doing it
[13:20] <intellectronica> oSoMoN: please file a question on launchpad. an admin will take care of it asap
[14:18] <oSoMoN> intellectronica: thanks, will do
[14:27] <emgent> evening
[14:53] <alvin> Is there anyone here who understands Italian? --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/vfront/+bug/280730 (I suppose it's Italian)
[14:55] <persia> alvin, It is Italian (although mine is sufficiently rusty that I won't hazard a gloss)
[15:03] <alvin> I was just wondering if this was really a bug report about IE7.
[15:55] <papasmile> Peaec and God's mercy :)
[16:50] <leonel> hello :
[16:51] <leonel> If I create a  launchpad team  the members for that team can upload  ppa packages for the team right ??
[16:51] <cprov> leonel: right.
[16:51] <Odd_Bloke> Is it worth having https://help.launchpad.net/HelpRotation in the topic?  I just had to go to my mail client to find it...
[16:52] <leonel> cprov:  great  I'm doing a package maintenance but I don't want to use my  ppa and that package can be done better in a team
[16:53] <leonel> cprov: so all the procedures are the same  just  create the team   , join the team  and upload the package to the team's ppa ?
[16:53] <cprov> leonel: yup, that simple.
[16:53] <leonel> cprov: great Thank you
[16:53] <cprov> leonel: you're welcome.
[16:55] <amondo> i been using launchpad for a while, recently whenever i do a "bzr up" on a checked out branch, i get a warning: " <RepositoryFormatKnit1> for <branch-url-on-launchpad-here> is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' for better performance "
[16:55] <amondo> problem is that doing bzr upgrade never does anything, my bzr always says its using the latest repository format
[16:56] <amondo> anyone seen something like this?
[16:56] <laga_> amondo: i do
[16:56] <laga_> and it's very annoying
[16:56] <laga_> i've also seen messages like "server too old for streaming pull", but that's a different issue
[16:57] <amondo> laga_: any idea what's causing this? is there a bug filed for it, for example?
[16:57] <amondo> laga_: i haven't seen  "server too old for streaming pull", perhaps because i'm not running a local bzr server?
[16:58] <laga_> no, i saw that when pulling from LP
[16:58] <laga_> it's probably been resolved since thatr
[17:01] <amondo> laga_: i'll probably just file a bug report against bzr for it? or do you think its launchpad-specific?
[17:04] <laga_> yeah, i blame LP
[17:04] <laga_> but i always go
[17:04] <laga_> amondo: some LP guy is supposed to be on duty
[17:04] <laga_> he should be able to answer your question
[17:04] <amondo> thanks, i will find out who that is
[17:05] <laga_> you can check here: https://help.launchpad.net/HelpRotation
[17:05] <amondo> it says it should be in the channel topic
[17:06] <amondo> sinzui: are you on rotation now?
[17:06] <sinzui> amondo: I believe EdwinGrubbs is.
[17:06] <amondo> thanks
[17:06] <sinzui> amondo: But I'll help if I can
[17:07] <amondo> sinzui, did you see my messages just now about launchpad/bzr problem
[17:07] <sinzui> uhg
[17:07] <amondo> i don't know whether this is some kind of well known problem or not
[17:07] <sinzui> amondo: the deprecated messge?
[17:08] <amondo> yes, it keeps saying my repo format is deprecated, but i'm not hosting the repo -its on launchpad
[17:08] <sinzui> We launchpaders see it all the time. We do need to upgrade the server
[17:09] <amondo> sinzui: so its nothing for me to worry about?
[17:09] <amondo> i should ignore the "bzr upgrade" warning?
[17:09] <sinzui> amondo: We plan to upgrade the server soon, we have been transitioning infrastructure for the past few cycles
[17:10] <sinzui> amondo: There is nothing to worry about.
[17:10] <amondo> thanks for your help
[17:49] <leonel> I see that  launchpad  automagically  deletes de previous package when a new version is done ??   I had cherokee 0.9.3  and today was released  0.9.4  made the deb and uploaded to ppa  and  0.9.3 got deleted   Right ??
[17:50] <bigjools> leonel: that's right
[17:50] <leonel> bigjools: great  thank you
[17:52] <persia> bigjools, Are they deleted, or just superceded?
[17:53] <bigjools> persia: deleted from the archive
[17:53] <persia> bigjools, Thanks.
[17:54] <bigjools> np
[19:44] <mtaylor> how do I attach an upstream bug reference to a bug report? I can't quite seem to find it...
[20:00] <geser> mtaylor: you mean to add a bug watch?
[20:00] <mtaylor> geser: maybe that's it?
[20:00] <beuno> mtaylor, I *think* that if you click "Also affects distribution..."
[20:01] <beuno> at least that's where you can punch in a URL
[20:01] <beuno> BjornT_, intellectronica, can you confirm that?  (if you do, I'm filing a bug!)
[20:01] <sinzui> mtaylor: Use also affect to select an upstream project if you already have not.
[20:01] <mtaylor> sinzui: geser: ok. that does seem to be what I was looking for
[20:02] <sinzui> mtaylor: Click the status to reveal the form to add a bugw3atch
[20:02] <sinzui> mtaylor: which bug are you viewing?
[20:02] <mtaylor> sinzui: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/drizzle/+bug/264124
[20:03] <mtaylor> which already has a "also affects ..."
[20:03] <mtaylor> but now there's a real upstream bug
[20:03] <sinzui> mtaylor: Drizzle is hosted on Launchpad .
[20:04] <mtaylor> yes. but protobuf isn't
[20:04] <mtaylor> (which is where the bug is)
[20:04] <mtaylor> or the upstream bug I want to keep track of
[20:04] <sinzui> mtaylor: you want to add /protobuf using Also affect prooject
[20:05] <mtaylor> gotcha
[20:05] <sinzui> mtaylor: the protobuf (ubuntu) is a package in ubuntu, not the upstream project
[20:06] <mtaylor> sinzui: awesome. ok. that makes sense now
[20:07] <mtaylor> sinzui: and now I'm guessing that google code isn't supported as an upstream bug tracker :(
[20:07] <sinzui> mtaylor: I suspect not, but I'll check with the list of bugtrackers.
[20:09] <sinzui> mtaylor: I think users are using the projects google email address to report a the bug upstream, but there is not syncing of the statues
[20:09] <sinzui> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers
[20:09]  * mtaylor doesn't like google code hosted projects...
[20:09] <mtaylor> sinzui: thanks alot!
[20:58] <radix> is the branch mirror thingy lagging or broken right now?
[20:58] <radix> wait, never mind
[22:04]  * Eluxzen is away: Away
[22:04] <beuno> Eluxzen, please turn off the auto-away message
[22:10] <Eluxzen> done, sorry :-/
[22:11] <beuno> np