[00:05] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: so it would be useless to buy it for the One?
[00:14] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Yes
[00:14] <ahoneybun> damn
[06:28] <sturmflut2> Hm, since yesterday afternoon the store API returns   "icon_url": null   for exactly one entry: "Match The Color"
[06:31] <sturmflut2> Ha, the package was updated on "2015-07-21 16:43:27"
[06:56] <sturmflut2> popey: Ping
[07:02] <tsdgeos> last image doesn't build?
[07:02] <tsdgeos> s/build/boot
[07:02] <tsdgeos> ogra_: ↑ ?
[07:05] <sturmflut2> tsdgeos: There were some mails on the mailing list that the latest devel-proposed images apparently don't boot
[07:05] <tsdgeos> sturmflut2: not devel proposed but rc-proposed here
[07:05] <tsdgeos> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[07:06] <sturmflut2> tsdgeos: Oh, that would be a bit worse :/
[07:06] <tsdgeos> and now i'm stuck into fastboot, trying to get out of there :D
[07:07] <sturmflut2> tsdgeos: Either press POWER and VOLUME UP for a while, or do "fastboot reboot" on the host
[07:07] <tsdgeos> oh i did fastboot reboot-bootloader
[07:08] <tsdgeos> seemed better according to the help
[07:08] <tsdgeos> didn't help
[07:08] <tsdgeos> let me try that one
[07:10] <seb128> tsdgeos, can you adb to the device even if it doesn't boot?
[07:10] <tsdgeos> nope
[07:10] <tsdgeos> adb doesn't see it
[07:10] <tsdgeos> fastboot does
[07:10] <tsdgeos> but i haven't been able to get out of there to somewhere i can use adb
[07:10] <tsdgeos> i'm stuck at the white "bq powered by ubuntu" screen
[07:11] <sturmflut2> tsdgeos: Probably because the flashed image is broken?
[07:11] <tsdgeos> guess so yeah
[07:12] <sturmflut2> tsdgeos: You could download http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/recovery.img and "fastboot boot recovery.img" it, then you have ADB and access to the internal storage
[07:12] <seb128> tsdgeos, download people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/recovery-krillin.img
[07:12] <seb128> tsdgeos, what sturmflut2 said
[07:12] <tsdgeos> ok, let's try that
[07:12] <sturmflut2> \o/
[07:14] <tsdgeos> i have adb
[07:14] <tsdgeos> ubuntu-device-flash still doesn't like it
[07:14] <tsdgeos> i guess i can force the device
[07:14] <sturmflut2> tsdgeos: You have to force the device, add "--device=krillin" to u-d-f
[07:15] <tsdgeos> let me try to flash image 74 again
[07:15] <tsdgeos> just in case it was some hickup
[07:15] <tsdgeos> and now that i know how to recover it
[07:16]  * sturmflut2 is eagerly waiting for JamesTait's daily announcement
[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[07:21] <tsdgeos> sturmflut2: seb128: second flash worked :S
[07:23] <seb128> hey dholbach
[07:25] <dholbach> hey seb128
[07:34] <ogra_> tsdgeos, weird, i just updated my aquaris on rc-proposed, works fine here
[07:35] <tsdgeos> yeah, second time around it worked fine
[07:35] <tsdgeos> so it either has to do with the previous image you had
[07:35] <tsdgeos> or it's just bad luck i had
[07:36] <ogra_> do you remember what your last image was ?
[07:36] <tsdgeos> not really
[07:36] <tsdgeos> i may have been wily and then i flash rc-proposed
[07:36] <tsdgeos> from yesterday for sure
[07:36] <ogra_> but with --bootstrap i hope
[07:37] <tsdgeos> nope
[07:37] <tsdgeos> is that needed?
[07:37] <ogra_> ouch
[07:37] <ogra_> indeed, else you leave all the writabnle bits from the former install around
[07:37] <ogra_> *writable
[07:37] <ogra_> either --wipe or --bootstrap
[07:37] <tsdgeos> i see, so if i switch between channels it's better to use bootstrap
[07:38] <tsdgeos> you never stop learning :)
[07:38] <ogra_> if you do it via udf, yes
[07:45] <solanum> Hey guys.  I'm trying to get webbrowser-app with remote inspector running.  I can connect to the device (a Nexus 4) with adb shell just fine and then I run `MIR_SOCKET=/ver/run/mir_socket webbrowser-app -- --inspector`.  The webbrowser window flashes up once and then vanishes again.  Maybe someone can help me out?  I'm running build 6 of ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu-developer if that matters.
[07:47] <mardy> Elleo: hi! I'm on the OTA-5 and I've got my device into a state where the OSK won't appear; what can I do to debug the issue?
[07:47] <mardy> Elleo: there's nothing under /var/crash/
[07:50] <Guest46428> hi i hv a samsung galaxy note GT-N7000 set which i would like to install ubuntu touch os
[07:51] <Guest46428> do u think this possible n does it works well on this device
[07:54] <Guest46428> has any one tried out before
[07:59] <ogra_> dbarth, whats our story wrt google photos and the G+ app ?
[08:00] <ogra_> (G+ will turn off builtin photo support on august 1st)
[08:02] <dbarth> ogra_: hmm, we have to write that chapter, indeed
[08:02]  * ogra_ is just wondering what to do with his G+ app then
[08:02] <ogra_> going to photos.google.com gets me an "update your browser" page btw
[08:03] <dbarth> ogra_: but you mean for posting pictures?
[08:03] <ogra_> yes, indeed
[08:03] <ogra_> i assume you will have to post them via photos.g.c in the future
[08:03] <dbarth> there was no official api for that, and so alex's code will need to be updated
[08:04] <dbarth> if ever we can still connect to something equivalent
[08:04] <solanum> I figured it out.  I changed the command line in /usr/share/applications/webbrowser-app.desktop if anyone wondered.
[08:06] <JonathanFerguson> Can I get some assistance for my Asus Nexus 7 "flo" that I repeatedly get an error on http://s7.postimg.org/d64zjinkr/P1270959.jpg I have documented at  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11918690/
[08:08] <dbarth> ogra_: do you run the same code for sharing pictures?
[08:09] <ogra_> dbarth, no, i just rely on the builtin G+ function
[08:09] <dbarth> ogra_: ie, i switched the UA on my code and that leads me nowhere :/
[08:09] <ogra_> (i dont have pictures hooked into content hub)
[08:09] <dbarth> ah
[08:10] <ogra_> so you need to pic the little image when posting and use the G+ function to upload
[08:10] <ogra_> *pick
[08:10] <ogra_> JonathanFerguson, that looks a bit like a broken MMC to me
[08:10] <dbarth> ogra_: so what's the path you are using?
[08:11] <JonathanFerguson> ogra, Can you elaborate
[08:12] <jgdx> mardy, sounds like bug 1473720
[08:13] <ogra_> dbarth, as i said, you click on "new post" (the little circle with pen on the bottom right), the new popup has a little location and a little image icon ... there you click the image that then gets you to G+ photos ... where you pick "add photo" ... that brings up content-hub to select one ... after picking it is automatically added to the post ... my app doesnt support direct calls via content hub and isnt in the picture selector though
[08:13] <ogra_> JonathanFerguson, well, seems there are a lot of filesystem check errors in your first link
[08:14] <mardy> jgdx: thanks, seems to be the same one indeed
[08:14] <ogra_> JonathanFerguson, i'd first flash android back onto the device to make sure there is no hardware error ... and if it isnt, follow exatly the install instructions (never ever flash any img files you find anywhere directly ... they are all just unprocessed by-products)
[08:21] <dbarth> ogra_: hmm, that fails on wily here :/
[08:21] <ogra_> dbarth, wily ? who cares ...
[08:23] <jibel> ogra_, stop saying that. What is in wily will be released at some point.
[08:24] <ogra_> jibel, after being moved to vivid or after we have the X release ...
[08:24] <ogra_> nothing from wily will ever see a phone directly
[08:24] <seb128> right, but things wily bugs might land in vivid
[08:25] <jibel> ogra_, I mean the code in wily can be released in the stable release or next release, even if wily itself won't be released
[08:25] <ogra_> jibel, running anything *on* wily is just pointless here
[08:25] <seb128> like new mir is in wily first and they plan to upload to vivid next
[08:25] <ogra_> yeah
[08:25] <seb128> so bugs in that new version, which is in wily are important to fix
[08:25] <seb128> or they are going to be in vivid as well
[08:25] <ogra_> but after it went though deep QA testing
[08:25] <seb128> which sometime is not enough
[08:25] <ogra_> not in the state it entered wily
[08:26] <seb128> right, still not a reason to dismiss bugs in wily
[08:26] <seb128> often they are real problems
[08:26] <jibel> QA is not a wall against everything
[08:26] <seb128> and no need to waste QA to find them a second time
[08:26] <ogra_> oh, i never said to dismiss wily bugs
[08:27] <ogra_> i'm saying running stuff on wily is pointless, not that you shouldnt test your packages on it before upload :)
[08:27] <ogra_> (or report bugs yoou fine when testing )
[08:27] <ogra_> *find
[08:27] <seb128> it's not pointless
[08:27] <seb128> some of us have found bugs upfront by testing on wily devices
[08:27] <ogra_> well, if you say so ...
[08:27] <seb128> and got those fixed before the updates went to vivid/qa
[08:28] <seb128> so it avoided wasting qa cycles
[08:28] <ogra_> i think it is pointless especially since wily is so much in flux that your end up unbootable every now and then ... and especially in the context that nobody looks at the plummbing layer at all over there
[08:28] <seb128> k, let's agree to disagree then
[08:29] <jibel> ogra_, an unbootable device shouldn't happen, even in devel-proposed. It doesn't happen for the desktop, why should it be different for other devices?
[08:30] <jibel> other products*
[08:31] <ogra_> jibel, because the undertlying layer is nearly unmaintained, because of a gcc5 transition, because wily bugs are treated like 3rd class citizens ....
[08:32] <ogra_> as soon as the gcc transition is done, how do you even remotely judge bugs wily vs vivid then ? you have a completely different toolchain and compile options
[08:32] <ogra_> (beyond already having a ton of different libs today)
[08:36] <seb128> ogra_, waving hands and letting things diverge too much and have a free pass to regress is going to bite us back big time
[08:36] <ogra_> seb128, yes it is, so we should do proper QA on these images ... but we dont
[08:36] <seb128> right
[08:37] <seb128> but the standard reply should be "we need to fix that"
[08:37]  * ogra_ is still wondering why nobody has started a community team for QA testing on devel-proposed
[08:37] <seb128> not "let's not care since the situation sucks already"
[08:37] <ogra_> this is a perfect task for a community based intiative
[08:38] <ogra_> seb128, "dont run it if you are a user" is all i'm saying
[08:38] <nhaines> I always assumed it was because upstream doesn't care about devel-proposed quality.
[08:38] <ogra_> we used to care during the vivid cycle
[08:38] <ogra_> the problem here is that we skip wily and work with backports this time
[08:39] <ogra_> and that wily has very massive changes alongside (like the gcc transition) which we didnt have in the vivid cycle
[08:40] <nhaines> It seems like that'd be a good reason to keep an eye on it.
[08:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Hammock Day! 😃
[08:56] <Elleo> mardy: any unity8 crash?
[08:56] <Elleo> mardy: also could you run, 'gsettings get com.canonical.keyboard.maliit stay-hidden' and see what the result is?
[08:56] <mardy> Elleo: nope, but jgdx already pointed me to bug 1473720 -- it's indeed the same
[08:57] <Elleo> mardy: aha, right that one
[08:57] <Elleo> mardy: I believe the mir folks already have a fix lined up for that
[09:21] <dbarth> ogra_: from what i read, the ability to share pictures on streams and so on is preserved after aug. 1st
[09:22] <dbarth> ogra_: and oiur content hub integration should be unaffected, as it was pointing to picasa apis afaict
[09:22] <ogra_> dbarth, yes, but you will likely need to use a different upload path
[09:22] <ogra_> ah
[09:22] <dbarth> ogra_: we may have urlpatterns to adjust though, i'm still trying to find out
[09:22] <ogra_> so the picasa apüis stay around ? thats good
[09:22] <dbarth> ogra_: yes apparently picasa is back with a revenge ;)
[09:23] <dbarth> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/google-photos-shuts-down-august-1-google-photos-and-picasa-take-over/
[09:23] <ogra_> hahaha
[09:37] <mcphail> I see iOS9 will have a dock of icons you swipe in from the side to switch between apps. Is that a new thing for iOS? I wonder where they got their inspiration? ;)
[09:37] <nhaines> Probably from OS/2
[09:45] <popey> mcphail: it is
[09:46] <ogra_> nhaines, wasnt NEXT before that ?
[09:46] <ogra_> (using a sidebar with icons)
[09:47] <nhaines> ogra_: could be.  I was young then.  :)
[09:47] <ogra_> we all were :)
[09:47] <ogra_> (younger at least, i was always old :P )
[09:50] <jibel> I filed bug 1477051 for the boot issue on devel-proposed
[09:51] <robin-hero> Hey! Somebody set the milestone of this bug to ww34-ota6? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings-components/+bug/1436912
[10:26] <tcharlss> Hi, is it ok to discuss of shipping problems related to the meizu mx4 here ?
[10:28] <popey> tcharlss: you can discuss, sure, not a lot we can do about it though
[10:28] <popey> better off contacting meizu directly for shipping issues
[10:29] <tcharlss> Well, I wanted to know if other poeple had delay problems
[10:29] <tcharlss> Because they do not answer emails
[10:30] <popey> ah okay
[10:30] <tcharlss> And my phone, ordered 2 weeks ago, has not been shipped yet. Unless they invent teleporation, I will not get it in time
[10:30] <abeato> Laney, jhodapp set-up a silo 8 for latest gstreamer+media-hub landing so we can land both together, does it make sense?
[10:31] <tcharlss> So, I just want to knwo if I'm the only one unlucky here, I'm starting to get a bit worried
[10:32] <Laney> abeato: yes, can you sort out gst-bad with jhodapp, then we can copy into there?
[10:33] <abeato> Laney, yes, that's the idea, I will contact you back after changes look good for jhodapp
[10:34] <popey> john-mcaleely: do we have a contact at meizu we can point customers like tcharlss at?
[10:37] <tcharlss> popey : well, there's a general contact email, yes
[10:38] <john-mcaleely> popey, I'm not aware of one
[10:54] <sturmflut2> JamesTait: Something in the store API is broken, I get "icon_url": null for one entry, namely "Match the color", id 949.
[10:55] <JamesTait> sturmflut2, I'll have a look into it.
[10:55] <sturmflut2> \o/
[10:57] <JamesTait> Well that's weird. It looks like it's because the application doesn't have an icon in myapps.
[10:57] <sverzegnassi> o/ sturmflut2, I just opened IRC and I see you asking about the issue before me. :D
[10:57] <sverzegnassi> JamesTait: yep, I get a server error when I try to upload a new icon
[10:58] <JamesTait> But I'm not sure how that's possible. I'll make some enquiries.
[10:58] <sturmflut2> sverzegnassi: Ha! Your missing icon broke my RSS feed script!
[10:58] <sverzegnassi> sturmflut2, haha
[11:00] <JamesTait> sverzegnassi, can you give me a rough idea when you last attempted to upload a new icon? I'll see what I can find in the logs.
[11:01] <sverzegnassi> JamesTait, I tried it again a few minutes ago. May you need the error ID?
[11:01] <JamesTait> If you have it handy, it can't hurt. ☺
[11:02] <sverzegnassi> JamesTait, OOPS-c8729e0381ae45e189398f6b4b2a8384
[11:02] <JamesTait> Thanks, let's see what I can find.
[11:09] <rbasak> Is the dialer app the right place for bugs for the incoming call alert and for outgoing calls made over Bluetooth?
[11:09] <rbasak> (not UI, function issues)
[11:19] <JamesTait> sverzegnassi, OK, I've found the error, I'll pass on the details for it to be fixed and let you know when to try again.
[11:22] <sverzegnassi> JamesTait, thank you! \o/
[11:51] <conyoo> after OTA 5 i can't upload images to twitter any more, i get this "in progress" forever semi transparent dialogue http://i.imgur.com/YujxS6n.jpg
[11:52] <conyoo> meizu r3
[11:52] <conyoo> stable
[11:53]  * ogra_ doesnt have a twitter account, uploading to G+ works for me though
[11:53] <conyoo> yeah g+ works for me 2 :>
[11:55] <conyoo> and i can't debug the bug because i don't want to charge the battery yet (from usb)
[11:55] <conyoo> 28h and still going strong )))
[11:55] <ogra_> yay
[11:55] <conyoo> oh.. i have a terminal on the phone, i'm dumb
[12:05] <jgdx> pete-woods, do you want an mp against your uss-mp that fixes the tests?
[12:09] <pete-woods> jgdx: either that or just totally replaces my MP, not bothered which
[12:13] <jgdx> pete-woods, I default to the former
[12:14] <pete-woods> jgdx: okay, whichever works for you
[12:14] <jgdx> :)
[12:28] <popey> conyoo: same here
[12:32] <popey> dbarth: are you aware that uploading images to twitter via the webapp is broken
[12:33] <daker> popey: i have seen a fix for it
[12:33] <daker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/webapps-core/+bug/1474234
[12:34] <popey> thanks daker
[12:34] <popey> dbarth: any eta on that? it's quite a regression
[12:35] <popey> guessing that's going to have to wait for OTA-6 :(
[12:35] <popey> made my phone pretty unusable on holiday last week.
[12:35] <ogra_> together with the broken telegram :)
[12:36] <popey> yeah :(
[12:36] <popey> i probably should have switched to stable before going on holiday.
[12:36] <popey> wise
[12:37] <ogra_> it was your subconcious wanting to tell you to stay away from the internets :)
[12:38] <popey> yeah, nobody shares photos online when they're on holiday
[12:38] <popey> stupid use case
[12:39] <jgdx> seb128, got 5 mins? I'm looking at running some qml unit tests in uss, and the qmldir in inside the plugin folder is giving me headaches.
[12:39] <seb128> jgdx, I don't know a lot about those things
[12:39] <jgdx> seb128, who do you pick as go to guy?
[12:40] <jgdx> mardy maybe? ^ :)
[12:40] <seb128> jgdx, try sdk team or maybe mardy
[12:40] <jgdx> seb128, thx
[12:41] <pete-woods> jgdx: unity8 team are also a good contact for that sorta thing
[12:41] <jgdx> pete-woods, ta
[12:41] <mardy> jgdx: I can try to help, but I think that the sdk guys would know better
[12:44] <jgdx> mardy, it's not specifically the qmldir, it's the fact that it's there and tries to define a plugin that does not exist (until it has been installed).
[12:45] <jgdx> so if you try to import the (src) plugin folder, the qmldir will crash if there's no e.g. libUbuntuCellularPanel.so inside the folder
[12:45] <mardy> jgdx: yep, IIRC I stumbled into this too... let me try to remember if/how I solved this
[12:46] <jgdx> mardy, omg sweet
[12:51] <mardy> jgdx: ok, the trick is to copy the qmldir file to the same directory where the .so file is
[12:52] <mardy> jgdx: and in the tests you do something like  qputenv("QML2_IMPORT_PATH", SOURCE_MODULE_PATH);  so that it knows where to look for the plugin
[12:53] <dbarth> popey: yes, alex has the fix
[12:54] <popey> kk
[12:55] <jgdx> mardy, right, that works well. :)
[12:55] <jgdx> mardy, -import ${PLUGIN_PRIVATE_MODULE_DIR} for System Settings in the creation of the executable
[12:56] <jgdx> mardy, but then, in the test, if I do import path/to/src/" which includes the qmldir file, it says it can't find the plugin :(
[12:56] <mardy> jgdx: with the QML2_IMPORT_PATH environment variable
[12:57] <mardy> jgdx: you can set it from within the test, with qputenv()
[12:58] <mardy> jgdx: and you'd get the value from a cmake define
[13:00] <jgdx> mardy, right, then I get http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11919797/
[13:00] <jgdx> maybe what I'm doing is really wrong
[13:01] <mardy> jgdx: can you please push this branch somewhere?
[13:02] <jgdx> mardy, sure thing
[13:02] <kenvandine> jgdx, can you merge trunk into your apn branch?
[13:02] <kenvandine> just to be sure it's clean
[13:03] <jgdx> kenvandine, dry run or the whole smash?
[13:03] <kenvandine> just merge latest trunk into your branch and push it
[13:03] <kenvandine> fixing any conflicts, which there might not be
[13:03] <popey> dbarth: apparently this is broken in OTA-5? Worked in OTA-4, so it's a regression.
[13:04] <popey> dbarth: do we have test plans to ensure this doesn't break again? Because this is quite significant breakage.
[13:04] <jgdx> mardy, lp:~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/qml-unit-tests
[13:05]  * kenvandine likes the sound of what jgdx is working on
[13:05]  * tathhu got sounds on youtube by pressing volume button...
[13:05]  * tathhu facedesk
[13:06] <mcphail> ha!
[13:06] <jgdx> kenvandine, :) hit a wall tho
[13:06] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'm doing a landing with those 2 autopilot fixes
[13:06] <kenvandine> hopefully it'll help our CI situation
[13:07] <jgdx> kenvandine, great.
[13:12] <mardy> jgdx: well, it looks like importing the module is working fine; what doesn't work, is importing the qml files using "import "../../../plugins/cellular" as Cellular"
[13:12] <jgdx> mardy, yes, but how else get the files I want to test? :s
[13:13] <mardy> jgdx: this project is using qmake, but the logic is the same: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/trunk/files/head:/tests/online-accounts-ui/qml/
[13:14] <mardy> jgdx: see the "Source" directory
[13:14] <mardy> jgdx: maybe cmake is smarter and it's even possible to generate the qmldir file automatically
[13:14] <mardy> jgdx: and in your tests you just type "import Source 1.0"
[13:15] <jgdx> mardy, brilliant!
[13:25] <popey> pmcgowan: hullo. can we please get bug 1474234 on your radar. seems ota-5 regressed and we can't upload pictures to (for example) twitter
[13:25] <pmcgowan> alexabreu, ^^
[13:25] <pmcgowan> popey, wonder if that api also changed :(
[13:26] <popey> there's a fix on that bug
[13:26] <popey> it's our end.
[13:26] <pmcgowan> ok good
[13:26] <popey> FSVO of "Good" :)
[13:26] <alexabreu> yes there is a fix
[13:26] <alexabreu> It is on Chris' radar
[13:26] <alexabreu> popey, :)
[13:27] <pmcgowan> oh in oxide, poop
[13:27] <popey> yeah, which means a 5-6 week wait :(
[13:27] <alexabreu> pmcgowan, there is one that should mitigate the issue in webbrowser app
[13:28] <pmcgowan> alexabreu, ?
[13:28] <alexabreu> pmcgowan, popey this fix for another related bug should also fix it from a higher level https://code.launchpad.net/~abreu-alexandre/webbrowser-app/fix-filepicker-timer-accept/+merge/264834
[13:30] <dbarth> popey: it is in the test plan actually
[13:30]  * mcphail can feel an OTA5.5 coming on
[13:31] <popey> see also, discussions of making oxide a click
[13:31] <popey> in before ogra_ says this is fixed by snappy
[13:32] <jgdx> mardy, that worked. Thanks! :)
[13:41] <pete-woods> jgdx: could you submit an MR for the tests for the new hotspot USS stuff, even if it's empty? I'm just going to get the silo reconfigured now
[13:41] <kenvandine> Elleo, any idea what would cause this traceback?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11919975/
[13:42] <kenvandine> Elleo, that's the traceback i get running the system-settings tests on vivid, but only when i run all the tests
[13:42] <kenvandine> the tests that fail all pass individually
[13:43] <kenvandine> Elleo, i had rhuddie looking at it, he thinks there might be a bug in the helper
[13:43] <jgdx> pete-woods, 'll do
[13:44] <jgdx> will
[13:45] <rhuddie> Elleo, from the stack at least it looks like key object being passed from ubuntu_keyboard to autopilot is None for some strange reason. I'll have a look at the autopilot code to see what is going on there
[13:46] <Elleo> kenvandine, rhuddie: it's not something I've seen before
[13:46] <jgdx> pete-woods, https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/hotspots-change-test-backend/+merge/265528
[13:46] <pete-woods> jgdx: were you planning to make that dependent on lp:~pete-woods/ubuntu-system-settings/hotspots-via-indicator ?
[13:47] <pete-woods> I didn't quite follow which way round you wanted it
[13:47] <pete-woods> just cause the MP ID changes if you resubmit it
[13:47] <pete-woods> and I have to reconfigure again
[13:48] <jgdx> pete-woods, wait
[13:48] <pete-woods> … :)
[13:48] <jgdx> why don't you merge this branch into yours when the time comes? no reconfig
[13:48] <pete-woods> oh, that could work too
[13:48] <pete-woods> but if I don't
[13:48] <pete-woods> you can keep pushing to it
[13:48] <pete-woods> without me
[13:49] <pete-woods> and rebuild the silo, etc
[13:49] <jgdx> right, that makes sense
[13:49] <jgdx> though I would do it in one take.. one take jonas they call me
[13:49] <rhuddie> Elleo, yes, its really strange. kenvandine you said you could reproduce the issue when running the ubuntu_keyboard tests too? it seems like there is something in a bad state
[13:49] <jgdx> pete-woods,
[13:49] <kenvandine> wow... according to the messaging menu, i have 255 new voice mails
[13:49] <jgdx> https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/hotspots-change-test-backend/+merge/265530
[13:50] <pete-woods> jgdx: ty!
[13:50] <kenvandine> rhuddie, Elleo: not sure if i'll see the same traceback, the ubuntu_keyboard tests are still running
[13:50] <jgdx> kenvandine, lookie https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/qml-unit-tests/+merge/265527
[13:50] <kenvandine> but watching the screen i see it never pushes any keys
[13:50] <kenvandine> jgdx, don't be a tease :)
[13:51] <rhuddie> kenvandine, ok, would be good to confirm when they are finished if its the same issue or not
[13:51] <jgdx> kenvandine, it's all i got captn
[13:51] <kenvandine> rhuddie, well now the shell crashed :)
[13:51] <Elleo> rhuddie, kenvandine: interesting, the keyboard tests were passing last week when I ran them on the autopilot cursor movement branch
[13:51] <kenvandine> Elleo, yeah, i think this is all new
[13:52] <Elleo> will just update the image on my phone and see if I can reproduce
[13:52] <kenvandine> ugh... unity8 keeps crashing now
[13:52] <kenvandine> i'm going to need to reboot this thing and try again
[13:53] <rhuddie> Elleo, yes, it doesn't seem to be a problem with the ubuntu_keyboard tests as such, but that the system is somehow getting into a state that is causing them to fail
[13:53] <kenvandine> Elleo, not seeing it pressing the keys on the OSK, is that what you would expect to happen if they key was None?
[13:53] <kenvandine> i guess so
[13:54] <Elleo> kenvandine: I'd expect it to fail instantly if the key was None, is it just sitting there? (that'd suggest waiting for a 10 second timeout on some condition)
[13:54] <Elleo> kenvandine: I might be wrong though
[14:05] <kenvandine> Elleo, it was just sitting there
[14:05] <kenvandine> probably 10 seconds
[14:05] <kenvandine> then it would start the next test
[14:05] <kenvandine> i just rebooted and running again
[14:06] <kenvandine> Elleo, irregardless i'm definately seeing the None for key in system-settings tests
[14:06] <Elleo> kenvandine: if unity crashing keeps stopping you getting through the whole suite it might be worth running in the fast fail mode to see what errors we get prior to unity crashing
[14:07] <kenvandine> how do you do that?
[14:07] <kenvandine> Elleo, this was the first time i had the shell crash though
[14:08] <Elleo> kenvandine: pass -ff to autopilot
[14:08] <kenvandine> can we do that with phablet-test-run?
[14:08] <kenvandine> ah
[14:08] <kenvandine> yeah you can :)
[14:09] <kenvandine> wish i had seen that sooner!
[14:09] <Elleo> heh
[14:27] <anpok> hm flashing arale during fastboot hangs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11920184/ any ideas?
[14:28] <ogra_> anpok, what was the command you used ?
[14:28] <anpok> ubuntu-device-flash -v touch --device arale --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en --recovery-image recovery.img.1 --bootstrap --developer-mode --password 1234
[14:29] <ogra_> that looks fine ... i assume there was a sudo in front ?
[14:29] <anpok> hmm nope
[14:29] <ogra_> try that ... not sure if our fastboot package actually ships udev rules for meizu
[14:30] <ogra_> (and inded the phone needs to be in bootloader/fastboot mode ... (stating the pbvious here))
[14:30] <ogra_> *obvious
[14:37] <anpok> ogra_: sure state the obvious - since we left obivious city some time ago
[14:37] <ogra_> haha
[14:41] <rbasak> Is the dialer app the right place for bugs for the incoming call alert and for outgoing calls made over Bluetooth?
[14:41] <rbasak> (not UI, function issues)
[14:42] <rbasak> 1) Cannot ignore incoming call without rejecting it; 2) Calls initiated by Bluetooth go out over non-default SIM.
[14:42] <rbasak> I don't see these reported anywhere already.
[14:43] <anpok> rbasak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image
[14:43] <anpok> those two will involve at least two packages
[14:44] <rbasak> anpok: OK, thanks!
[14:50] <kenvandine> Elleo, after rebooting i only got one failure in ubuntu_keyboard
[14:50] <kenvandine> AssertionError: After 10.0 seconds test on KeyboardContainer.activeKeypadState failed: 'SHIFTED' != dbus.String('CAPSLOCK', variant_level=1)
[14:50] <kenvandine> in ubuntu_keyboard.tests.test_keyboard.UbuntuKeyboardTypingTests.test_can_type_string(upper_alpha)
[14:51] <Elleo> kenvandine: interesting, looks like an attempt to double tap the shift key failed
[14:51] <Elleo> kenvandine: and only registered as a single tap
[14:51] <Elleo> kenvandine: don't think that'd be related to the sort of failure you had in system settings though
[14:52] <kenvandine> nope
[14:53] <kenvandine> Elleo, well... i wonder if it is related
[14:53] <kenvandine> thanks to -ff i'm seeing the first test failure quickly
[14:53] <kenvandine> and twice it failed quickly on different tests both times with this assertion
[14:53] <kenvandine> AssertionError: After 10.0 seconds test on KeyboardContainer.activeKeypadState failed: 'SHIFTED' != dbus.String('CAPSLOCK', variant_level=1)
[14:54] <Elleo> kenvandine: ah, okay then that definitely sounds related ;)
[14:54] <Elleo> kenvandine: perhaps the later failure to find key stuff happens as a symptom of an early change to capslock failing?
[14:54] <kenvandine> first time it failed on the 4th test and the second time it was the 7th
[14:54] <kenvandine> maybe
[14:54] <kenvandine> race condition?
[14:54] <Elleo> rhuddie: ^ looks like the double tap to change to capslock is flaky/not working?
[14:55]  * kenvandine kicks self for not knowing about fail fast before
[14:55] <kenvandine> my 3rd run is already running much longer than the previous 2
[14:55] <kenvandine> so it's clearly flaky
[14:56] <kenvandine> and i guess with nearly 130 tests, it's very likely to hit it eventually
[14:56] <rhuddie> Elleo, kenvandine, very interesting, good find
[14:56] <Elleo> kenvandine: might be that autopilot's attempt at a double tap is on the boundary of two single taps vs a double
[14:56] <Elleo> kenvandine: although if it was two single taps I'd have thought it'd return to non-shifted mode
[14:57] <Elleo> kenvandine: oh, hang on, I think I'm reading that wrong, it's attempting to go to SHIFTED but ending up in CAPSLOCK
[14:57] <Elleo> that's even odder :/
[15:01] <kenvandine> Elleo, i don't know if we have any tests that should need a shift
[15:01] <kenvandine> afaict, we only enter digits and lower case
[15:01] <kenvandine> AssertionError: After 10.0 seconds test on KeyboardContainer.state failed: 'SYMBOLS' != dbus.String('CHARACTERS', variant_level=1)
[15:01] <kenvandine> Elleo, failed much further in this time with that
[15:02] <Elleo> kenvandine: sounds similar, switching to the symbol layout vs switching to shift are fairly similar things
[15:02] <jgdx> kenvandine, could you give the apn prototype branch a positive review? :P
[15:02] <kenvandine> Elleo, yeah, so the test that failed there enters numbers
[15:02] <kenvandine> so it's in the symbols layout?
[15:03] <kenvandine> jgdx, yeah
[15:03] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks
[15:03] <Elleo> kenvandine: the numbers are in the symbols layout, and it's trying to change to that but ending up still in the characters layout
[15:03] <kenvandine> that makes sense
[15:03] <Elleo> kenvandine: either because it didn't press the symbols button, or possibly because it pressed it twice (and so switched back) which'd be consistent with it ending up in capslock in other cases
[15:04] <kenvandine> Elleo, and would that be autopilot pressing those?
[15:04] <Elleo> yeah
[15:05] <kenvandine> jgdx, so i'm happy with that branch, but the CI results scares me... which is clearly unrelated
[15:05] <kenvandine> jgdx, you've run the cellular tests on a device right?
[15:06] <kenvandine> rhuddie, what do you think?  do you think that autopilot is double tapping or missing that?
[15:07] <jgdx> kenvandine, now you're scaring me..
[15:07] <kenvandine> jgdx, don't let that silo get published yet though, let mandel publish silo 9 first then rebuild it
[15:08] <kenvandine> jgdx, well i didn't run the tests... and can't see them pass in CI, so trusting you :)
[15:08] <mardy> kenvandine: hi! I see that the "icon" property of the ContentPeer is not documented; can I use it from my app, or is it going to disappear?
[15:08] <kenvandine> you can use it
[15:08] <mandel> jgdx, yes, let me get 9 in wily
[15:08] <kenvandine> it should be documented :)
[15:09] <mandel> jgdx, should not be to long, I need to get a +1
[15:09] <jgdx> k
[15:09] <jgdx> mandel, np
[15:11] <rhuddie> kenvandine, its difficult to say without watching it fail, but it sounds like the sort of timing issue that could cause such strange problems
[15:11] <mardy> kenvandine: actually, I see that in the picker you use "source: "image://content-hub/" + modelData.appId", maybe that's better for QML (because the "icon" returns a QImage, instead)
[15:11] <kenvandine> mardy, probably better
[15:14] <kenvandine> Elleo, rhuddie: could it be a race in changing the layout?  like the test fails because the layout didn't change in the expected time but then the next test runs and the layout isn't what it expected?
[15:15] <mandel> kenvandine, I'm tested silo 09 but can you take it for a second spin, just to be sure :)
[15:15] <Elleo> kenvandine: maybe; the layout should change back for any future tests assuming the keyboard is dismissed in between, but there is some delay switching between symbol and characters due to it loading new qml files
[15:15] <Antony> Anyone want to test my new app?
[15:15] <mandel> kenvandine, I kind of trust others more than me
[15:15] <Elleo> kenvandine: shift is pretty much instant though since it's just changing labels on the existing layout
[15:16] <rhuddie> kenvandine, Elleo, from the logs in jenkins the screenshot failure shows the osk to be in correct orientation (portrait)
[15:16] <kenvandine> Elleo, and it's claiming after 10 seconds it's not changed
[15:16] <kenvandine> mandel, i just need to test that updates download right?
[15:19] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, it'd easily have changed within 10 seconds
[15:19] <Elleo> kenvandine: and with the shift case the issue seems to be that it's changing too far, going beyond shift into caps lock
[15:20] <kenvandine> Elleo, ok
[15:20] <kenvandine> so maybe tapping too many times
[15:21] <Elleo> maybe, I'm not sure why it would though :/
[15:21] <kenvandine> mandel, testing
[15:21] <kenvandine> Elleo, ok... now i'm see the None object without ever seeing the assertion for the layout
[15:22] <Elleo> kenvandine: maybe there's two separate issues there then
[15:22] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:24] <jgdx> Elleo, kenvandine: *gulp* http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11920488/
[15:24] <jgdx> is that benign?
[15:24] <Elleo> jgdx: yeah, I think that's autopilot querying the keyboard layout to find out all the keys available
[15:25] <jgdx> oh
[15:25] <Elleo> jgdx: not sure there's much else that could be done there, and I don't think it is actually slow in the case (rhuddie might be able to confirm though?)
[15:25] <Elleo> this case*
[15:26] <kenvandine> mandel, hmm... it's failing to download a click update
[15:26] <kenvandine> and looking for log files, there is no current udm log file and udm isn't running
[15:26] <rhuddie> Elleo, yes, that's a fairly standard warning, it will be getting the list of keys back
[15:26] <kenvandine> mandel, it's sitting at 0% downloaded in settings
[15:26] <Elleo> rhuddie: okay, cool, thanks
[15:30] <kenvandine> mandel, i even started udm myself and then tried and nothing
[15:30] <kenvandine> not downloading :/
[15:34] <kenvandine> mandel, i've rebooted twice and each time it doesn't download or even start udm
[15:34] <kenvandine> mandel, so that's a NACK
[15:35] <kenvandine> jgdx, so you can go ahead and publish
[15:36] <anpok> ogra_: didnt help - probably still borked usb.. have to rely on system-image-cli then
[15:36] <ogra_> oh man
[15:36] <kenvandine> jgdx, oh... right your silo isn't done with QA :)
[15:39] <TonyBoston> how do you guys sync Notes with ubuntu touch?
[15:41] <ogra_> TonyBoston, evernote is preinstalled
[15:41] <TonyBoston> ogra_ anything else?
[15:42] <ogra_> not for syncing i think
[15:44] <mandel> kenvandine, weird..
[15:44] <mandel> kenvandine, I had no issue, what image did you use?
[15:45] <kenvandine> wily mako 262
[15:46] <mandel> kenvandine, hm..
[15:46] <mandel> kenvandine, let me test mako
[15:46] <kenvandine> what's weird is it isn't even starting udm
[15:46] <JamesTait> sverzegnassi, have you tried uploading a new icon yet?
[15:46] <kenvandine> also no errors like missing/bad symbol, etc
[15:47] <kenvandine> mandel, i'll update to 263 and reinstall the silo again
[15:48] <kenvandine> it might be a little frankenphone right now :)
[15:49] <mandel> kenvandine, well, I know the lastest img does not boot, be careful
[15:49] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'm seeing intermittent failures in ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_phone.PhoneDualSimTestCase.test_call_fwd_unconditional_sim_1
[15:49] <kenvandine> mandel, omg!
[15:49] <kenvandine> too late :/
[15:49] <mandel> kenvandine, oh my!
[15:49] <kenvandine> maybe it's time to flash it :)
[15:49] <kenvandine> jgdx,  AssertionError: After 10.0 seconds test on CheckBox.checked failed: True != dbus.Boolean(False, variant_level=1)
[15:50] <kenvandine> jgdx, i've seen that fail several times today
[15:50] <kenvandine> but not reliably failing
[15:51] <mandel> ogra_, what is the channel for kirllin on wily, is it  ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/krillin.en cause it looks like vivid to me
[15:54] <kenvandine> unknown flag `revision'
[15:54] <kenvandine> grr... how do i specify the revision in ubuntu-device-flash?
[15:54] <kenvandine> the help says --revision
[15:54] <kenvandine> but clearly that's wrong :)
[15:55] <jibel> --revision before 'touch'
[15:55] <kenvandine> jibel, thanks!
[15:56] <mandel> kenvandine, yes, there is a weird thing between touch and not touch.. I hate the current ux of that tool :-/
[15:56] <jibel> mandel, it's the channel for krillin/wily Why does it look like vivid?
[15:56] <sverzegnassi> JamesTait, not yet. now I'll do
[15:57] <ogra_> mandel, devel-proposed is wily i think
[15:57] <mandel> jibel, ogra_ lsb_release -a says vivid
[15:57] <sverzegnassi> JamesTait, it works! Thank you!
[15:57] <JamesTait> sverzegnassi, brilliant! 😃
[15:58] <SturmFlut> sverzegnassi, JamesTait: Now let's see if my script no longer breaks
[15:58] <Kipje> uhm....i'm completely new here and have problems porting ubuntu to the nexus 7. does that happen often?
[16:00] <SturmFlut> Kipje: Porting? The Nexus 7 (2013) is a supported device, you just install Ubuntu on it
[16:00] <JamesTait> sverzegnassi, and it has an icon on the phone now as well. ☺
[16:00] <Kipje> yeah that's what i mean, sorry. but it won't install, that's the problem.
[16:00] <JamesTait> I'd love to be able to say "So my work for today is done", but not a chance!
[16:02] <kenvandine> mandel, maybe flashing my frankenmako will help, i'll let you know soon
[16:02] <mandel> kenvandine, thx
[16:02] <kenvandine> i guess the benefit of an unbootable update, pushing me to clean up :)
[16:02] <mandel> kenvandine, well, I flash always just in case :)
[16:03] <mandel> kenvandine, I really really don't trust me
[16:03] <kenvandine> :)
[16:03] <Elleo> kenvandine, rhuddie: just ran the keyboard tests on wily (with hiding hacked out) and they all passed, so might be related to the new autopilot stuff on vivid
[16:03] <Elleo> kenvandine, rhuddie: only run them once so far though, so hardly definitive
[16:03] <kenvandine> Elleo, i ran them yesterday on wily and had 4 or 5 failures
[16:04] <kenvandine> without hacking :)
[16:04] <kenvandine> but the fix was there
[16:04] <Elleo> kenvandine: right, so the fix would seem to be the main difference between our setups currently
[16:05] <rhuddie> Elleo, kenvandine, I'll also ask veebers if he has any ideas on this
[16:05] <Elleo> kenvandine: can you link me to that branch so I can see what it actually does?
[16:05] <kenvandine> Elleo, yeah, i had the fixed autopilot from the silo at the time
[16:05] <Kipje> there are two problems that happening, depending on the installation: 1) sometimes it simply boots into android instead of ubuntu or 2) it tells me that the root directory should be changed, and regardless of what I answer it just hangs at the 'Google' screen when booting.
[16:05] <kenvandine> Elleo, the autopilot branch?
[16:05] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah
[16:07] <kenvandine> Elleo, https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/autopilot/add_osk_show_workaround/+merge/264944
[16:07] <kenvandine> Elleo, you can also install autopilot from wily-proposed
[16:08] <kenvandine> Elleo, oh... autopilot is no longer held in wily-proposed
[16:09] <kenvandine> Elleo, hmm... now i'm confused
[16:09] <kenvandine> it is held in wily-proposed but it doesn't seem to be on the excuses page
[16:09] <kenvandine> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autopilot/1.5.1+15.10.20150716-0ubuntu1
[16:09] <kenvandine> that's the version with the fixes
[16:09] <Elleo> kenvandine: thanks
[16:10] <kenvandine> ah, it is on the excuses page... i just missed it :)
[16:10] <Elleo> :)
[16:17] <jibel> mandel, I flashed ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu mako #262 and lsb_release says Wily. And the checksum of the rootfs is the same than the equivalent krillin image in devel-proposed
[16:18] <jibel> mandel, can you double-check what system-image-cli -i tells you
[16:18] <jibel> I'll try krillin later
[16:19] <kenvandine> mandel, ok... after flashing and installing silo 9 it does work fine
[16:19] <kenvandine> mandel, but now we need to wait to rebuild silo 9 after silo 30 finishes publishing and is merged
[16:19] <kenvandine> mandel, sorry... must have been my frankenmako :)
[16:24] <mandel> kenvandine, no problem, I prefer a false error than a false positive
[16:25] <mandel> kenvandine, that is why I asked you to take a look, to make sure that I did not "force" it to work :)
[16:25] <jgdx> kenvandine, all tests in the apn-prototype pass, except for the ones with a kbd in them. They all pass locally (desktop).
[16:25] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok, cool
[16:25] <kenvandine> those kbd fixes just landed
[16:26] <kenvandine> so mind giving them a kick again with 0.3+15.04.20150722-0ubuntu1 installed?
[16:26] <kenvandine> oh...
[16:26] <kenvandine> that wouldn't have the apn editor :)
[16:26] <kenvandine> nevermind
[16:27] <kenvandine> jgdx, btw... i found that call fwd test was actually failing reliably, even when run alone
[16:27] <kenvandine> but i'm wondering if it had something to do with ofono-phonesim being running (even though we mock it)
[16:27] <kenvandine> that stuff got installed when running the messenger-app tests
[16:28] <kenvandine> i just purged all that and trying again
[16:28] <kenvandine> i know yesterday it was passing individually :)
[16:29] <kenvandine> jgdx, nope... still failing individually
[16:29] <kenvandine> weird
[16:35] <TonyBoston> now I have to ask...how can I remove Apps/Scopes?
[16:36] <davmor2> TonyBoston: For apps just long press on them, for apps you can unfavourite currently but there is no removal system yet
[16:37] <TonyBoston> davmor2 you mean Scopes can't be removed??
[16:38] <davmor2> TonyBoston: If they are installed by you, you can remove them from the store, But the default scopes have no removal process currently
[16:38] <TonyBoston> davmor2 just asked because you wrote Apps twice
[16:38] <TonyBoston> got it now :)
[16:39] <davmor2> TonyBoston: ah sorry ye meant scopes for the second one :)
[16:46] <jgdx> kenvandine, mind reviewing the apn editor tests since you have a good grasp on them?
[16:46] <jgdx> kenvandine, how do the call fwd test fail?
[16:48] <Elleo> bfiller: tested silo 2, and other than the general issue with autopilot failures we're having on vivid it all seems good
[16:49] <bfiller> Elleo: ack
[16:49] <bfiller> will mark it ready
[16:50] <TonyBoston> did one of you guys try to make an sdcard bigger than 32GB work?
[16:51] <josue> hi everyone!
[16:52] <josue> i've got a question about install apps in ubuntu phone
[16:53] <josue> i want to know if there is anyway to install apps with a apt-get script like i do in ubuntu desktop
[16:53] <josue> phone apps ofcourse
[16:53] <mcphail> josue: you can't use apt-get safely on the phone. You can use the command line to install apps, though
[16:54] <josue> how?
[16:54] <josue> i just want to install all my favourite apps in one step when i have to flash the device
[16:55] <mcphail> josue: pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted _packagename_
[16:55] <Elleo> bfiller: great, thanks
[16:55] <mcphail> josue: it won't download the apps - you need to do that manually
[16:55] <josue> :'(
[16:56] <mcphail> josue: just keep them in the home directory
[16:56] <josue> ok ok
[16:56] <mcphail> josue: that doesn' get wiped if you are switching channels
[16:56] <josue> i didnt know if there is anyway to do it with a script
[16:57] <mcphail> josue: of course, but you'd need to write the script :)
[16:57] <josue> this wont be a problem
[16:57] <josue> im sure that it would be faster than install manually
[16:57] <josue> hehe
[16:58] <mcphail> josue: I have a little script to apply my tweaks after a channel switch.
[16:58] <mcphail> josue: need adblocking, ringtones etc
[16:59] <josue> could you send it to me in a mail? i want to learn
[16:59] <josue> apps too?
[17:00] <bfiller> Elleo: which device and image number did you test on?
[17:00] <mcphail> josue: I don't have it installing apps by default
[17:00] <popey> josue: i have a script which downloads every free app from the store, which i mirror at http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/
[17:02] <mcphail> josue: http://termbin.com/vdkd
[17:03] <Elleo> bfiller: arale, rc-proposed image 63
[17:03] <bfiller> Elleo: thanks
[17:03] <Elleo> no problem
[17:04] <josue> how you install apps with wget? this isnt for download the webpage?
[17:04] <ogra_> mcphail, gdbserver should be in the image i think
[17:05]  * ogra_ remembers seeding it somewhere recently
[17:05] <mcphail> ogra_: has it been added now?
[17:05] <mcphail> ogra_: i think the bug is still open
[17:05] <ogra_> oh, wait, no ... that was in snappy .... mixing things up ... but here is can validly say "fixed in snappy" to make popey happs :P
[17:05] <mcphail> ha!
[17:05] <ogra_> *happy even
[17:06] <josue> in desktop i have a sh script to install a list of programs with apt-get, make folders, shortcouts for others partitions etc etc...
[17:06] <ogra_> mcphail, sil2100 took over seed management for touch ... probably he is better at it than me ... bribe him tomorrow ;)
[17:07] <ogra_> (seems he is gone for the day)
[17:08] <antony> Anyone want to test my app?
[17:20] <mcphail> ogra_: :)
[17:21] <mcphail> antony: what is it and what size is it? (on 2G connection just now so downloading is slllooooow)
[17:22] <antony> 8.3k
[17:23] <mcphail> antony: I can try to get it. Link?
[17:24] <antony> Its on the software center as cellular beta.
[17:26] <antony> Ubuntu store i mean.
[17:26] <mcphail> antony: aargh - just getting download errors
[17:27] <antony> Thats worrying. I was getting those but i figured it was an issue with the emulator.
[17:28] <mcphail> antony: download bar reads 100% immediately and then the error comes up
[17:28] <antony> Yep same for me
[17:29] <antony> Anyone else able to confirm?
[17:30] <mcphail> Where do I find the Store logs?
[17:31] <antony> ? You mean the statistics
[17:31] <mcphail> antony: no - the logs on the device to see if I can find out why this fails
[17:31] <popey> JamesTait: ^^^
[17:33]  * JamesTait looks
[17:34] <antony> Not sure. I didn’t include any error logging capability in the app if thats what you mean
[17:35] <mcphail> antony: no - I'm wondering whether the Ubuntu Store writes a log if an install fails
[17:35] <mcphail> popey: does your mirror of the app work?
[17:35] <antony> mine?
[17:36] <mcphail> antony: yes - popey owns the internet
[17:37] <antony> I get a download error when i try and download it via the emulator but it works when i deploy localy.
[17:37] <JamesTait> popey, can you try your package upload again?
[17:37] <JamesTait> antony, I also get a download error trying to install Cellular Beta, but have managed to install other apps.
[17:37] <JamesTait> I'm looking into why.
[17:39]  * mcphail wonders whether there is a "JamesTait's day of the year" app in the store?
[17:39] <JamesTait> That'd be better as a Today Scope section.
[17:40] <mcphail> true
[17:44] <JamesTait> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11921300/ <-- Error installing Cellular.
[17:45] <JamesTait> tl;dr - bad version number, doesn't start with a digit.
[17:45] <JamesTait> Which is odd if you can install the same click locally.
[17:45] <ogra_> wow
[17:45] <antony> Ill go ahead and fix that
[17:46] <JamesTait> And if that's the actual error, obviously a bug on the server side validation as well.
[17:46]  * ogra_ is impressed about the " (4)." ... how does that even work
[17:46] <ogra_> space and brackets in the package name
[17:46] <JamesTait> ogra_, I probably attempted to install it a few times. ☺
[17:46] <ogra_> ah
[17:47] <ogra_> still odd that you get spaces in the filename then
[17:47] <JamesTait> I blame mandel. 😉
[17:47] <ogra_> yeah, totally :)
[17:52] <antony> Fixed the package but cant  upload it  The uploaded version (2) is not newer than the current version (.1).
[17:54] <mcphail> ha! got to love computers
[17:55] <antony> Going to delete the store entry and completely re submit it
[17:56] <JamesTait> Well https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center-agent/+bug/1477249 is the bug for allowing the invalid version number.
[18:03] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: ping
[18:04] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, pong
[18:04] <Elleo> kenvandine: after just installing the updated autopilot package I got both a shift and a None failure on the keyboard tests
[18:04] <Elleo> kenvandine: will run a few more times without it to see if I ever hit them when I don't have it
[18:04] <kenvandine> Elleo, glad you're seeing the same thing
[18:05] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: Could you please explain why this function https://github.com/jhodapp/libhybris/blame/audio-recording/compat/media/media_format_layer.cpp#L181 return mf->height and not slice_height?
[18:05] <antony> Cant find the permanent delete button in my apps
[18:06] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, that's old code and not the actual trunk for libhybris
[18:08] <antony> Well now it looks like i cant upload packages even under a different app.
[18:08] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: the code is still the same in code-review's master
[18:08] <peat-psuwit> https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=ubuntu/libhybris.git;a=blob;f=compat/media/media_format_layer.cpp;h=79ec41d148e3badb718f7548315d009f69835d42;hb=11245867fd5479570a9ae94199ba9581abe4a6ed#l181
[18:09] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, yes indeed, just making sure you're aware of that
[18:09] <JamesTait> antony, can you tell me the name of the new app you just tried to upload that failed?
[18:10] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: Ok. Then, why it's mf->height and not mf->slice_height?
[18:10] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, one sec
[18:10] <antony> Removed the beta so now its just cellular
[18:10] <antony> Still get: The uploaded version (2) is not newer than the current version (.1).
[18:13] <JamesTait> antony, did you just change the title, or the actual package name? (i.e. Did you change "Cellular Beta" to "Cellular", or did you change "cellular_beta.excelsior-studio" to "cellular.excelsior-studio")?
[18:14] <antony> Just the application name.
[18:14] <JamesTait> So the former ("Cellular Beta" to "Cellular")?
[18:14] <kenvandine> Elleo, so what's interesting there is you had worked around the only issue fixed in that autopilot landing (i think)
[18:15] <kenvandine> and it worked for you
[18:15] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, honestly I don't remember why it's height anymore...I wrote that code 2+ years ago...there was a reason but I don't remember it
[18:15] <kenvandine> but with their fix... it's flaky
[18:15] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, why do you ask?
[18:15] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, and the keyboard version I tested against still had the work around for that issue
[18:15] <kenvandine> Elleo, so i think that means the bug is in autopilot, not in the keyboard helper
[18:15] <antony> Yes
[18:16] <JamesTait> antony, I'm also trying to find out if it's now possible to permanently delete an app; it wasn't possible for a while, but I know it was being looked into.
[18:16] <Elleo> kenvandine: but I'd like to run it a few more times without that package just to be sure, as it might have just been luck that it passed last time
[18:16] <kenvandine> Elleo, can you articulate that in a bug report against autopilot?
[18:16] <kenvandine> ok
[18:16] <Elleo> kenvandine: sure, will do once I've finished the extra test runs
[18:16] <JamesTait> antony, do you not see "Delete forever" under "Publish your application" on the app details page?
[18:16] <kenvandine> veebers should be online soon, i can make sure he looks at it right away
[18:17] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: It seems to break software rendering (actually, thumbnail) on my device (you know, custom color format)
[18:17] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, have you tried with slice_height instead?
[18:17] <kenvandine> Elleo, i would just say it's flaky and paste some tracebacks...  :)
[18:17] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, I will accept a patch
[18:17] <antony> Nope. I feel like a saw it there yesterday.
[18:17] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: In libhybris? That's what I'm trying.
[18:18] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, yeah
[18:18] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, alright great, also make sure to test hardware rendering with that change just to make sure it doesn't break
[18:19] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: Thanks for reminding that.
[18:20] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, np, I'm sure the explanation is something like that's what was used in another example elsewhere and it made sense for the initial cases, but I don't remember specifically anymore. I should have put a comment for the reason
[18:20] <JamesTait> matiasb, hi!
[18:20] <matiasb> o/
[18:21] <JamesTait> matiasb, antony is having problems uploading an app. The first upload had an invalid version number, which the phone refused to install.
[18:21] <JamesTait> matiasb, so he corrected that, but the store rejects the nrew version number, because 2 apparently isn't greater than .1!
[18:23] <matiasb> ack, let me check the details
[18:23] <JamesTait> antony, I need to go and do dad stuff for a few hours, but I'll leave you in the more-than-capable hands of matiasb in the meantime.
[18:24] <mandel> JamesTait, wait what?
[18:24] <antony> lol
[18:27] <mandel> JamesTait, wait, you mention me and run away... coincidence? I think not!!!
[18:27]  * mandel yells: "is a trap!"
[18:28] <matiasb> antony, give me a min and let me see if I can re-enable the delete option for you
[18:29] <maggots> hello world
[18:29] <mcphail> hello maggots
[18:29] <maggots> how long does an emulator take to build
[18:29] <mcphail> always longer than you expect
[18:30] <mcphail> and then works slower than you feared
[18:30] <cwayne1> davmor2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/today-scope/+bug/1459394 is fixed right?
[18:31] <davmor2> cwayne1: it is
[18:31] <maggots> lol i ordered the phone today, downloaded the sdk and trying to make an interface for the raspberry pi, basically buttons for the gpio pins
[18:32] <maggots> used python as i don't know c++
[18:33] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: Using slice_height, thumbnail seems to work now. (using vs-thumb)
[18:33] <antony> Any luck on enabling delete?
[18:34] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, nice!
[18:34] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: How to wipe thumbnail cache?
[18:34] <tathhu> maggots: "the phone"?
[18:34] <mcphail> I'm not sure the emulator is particularly useful, I'm afraid. Working with a real device is so much better
[18:34] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, look in .cache, there should be a sqlite db somewhere
[18:34] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, get rid of that and reboot...there's probably a better way but I'm not aware of it
[18:35] <maggots> yes the meizu phone i'm in the eu
[18:35] <tathhu> maggots: oh, cool ^^ got the e5
[18:36] <maggots> is it fast on that hardware?
[18:37] <mandel> kenvandine, silo 09 is done, are you ok with me setting it to tested?
[18:37] <maggots> it's been about a 40 minutes and it's still building *sigh
[18:38] <kenvandine> mandel, yeah
[18:38] <SturmFlut> jgdx: Just out of curiosity, what would be the easiest way to get an image on my arale that comes with the WiFi Hotspot feature?
[18:38] <matiasb> antony, ok, could you check if you have the delete option available now?
[18:39] <kenvandine> SturmFlut, do you know how to install a silo for testing?  it's in our landing silo 46
[18:39] <jgdx> SturmFlut, there are no images… ^
[18:39] <antony> Yep
[18:39] <kenvandine> mandel, silo 9 is dirty, so i'll kick a rebuild
[18:39] <SturmFlut> kenvandine: No, never done anything like that.
[18:39] <jgdx> SturmFlut, check out the newbieguide (i use that all the time)
[18:39] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: Now confirmed, thumbnail now works correctly. FYI, the cache is at .cache/thumbnails/
[18:40] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp:
[18:40] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, perfect
[18:40] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: And video playback doesn't break, too.
[18:40] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, alright, what device are you testing on?
[18:40] <jgdx> SturmFlut, if you're here tomorrow morning-ish (EU time) I can walk you through it. Given you have adb acc. :)
[18:41] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: LG L90 Dual (D410)
[18:41] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, do you have a mako or other official model by chance?
[18:41] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: Sorry, no.
[18:42] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, no worries, just curious
[18:42] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, propose a patch when you're ready and I'll test it on the other devices
[18:43] <mandel> kenvandine, again? I just did that (well, before I took the dog out)
[18:43] <mandel> kenvandine, thx
[18:43] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: How to send the patch?
[18:43] <SturmFlut> jgdx: I think I could work it out from the newbie guide, but I'll be on vacation from tomorrow on. So next time maybe. Thanks for being willing to help me though, very much appreciated :)
[18:43] <kenvandine> mandel, you did?  it was still showing as dirty
[18:44] <kenvandine> mandel, unless i'm bit by a stale dashboard page :)
[18:44] <kenvandine> mandel, sorry... i bet that was it
[18:44] <kenvandine> mandel, i'll handle it, thx!
[18:45] <eschatus> ogra_ & jgdx : Just an update to let you know the ending, in case someone else falls into the same pit: Trying to add the recovery.img (from Alex Tu) to u-d-f with --recovery-image=xxx gave this terrifying result: http://imgur.com/eKE0ucz
[18:46] <mandel> kenvandine, awesome, should I update the spreadsheet?
[18:46] <kenvandine> mandel, i did
[18:46] <kenvandine> i'll wait for it to finish building though
[18:46] <kenvandine> before i publish it
[18:46] <eschatus> However, by following this: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13878.html with the same recovery image, and using the down / up power buttons to enter fastboot / recovery mode it finally succeeded :)
[18:46] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, you can do a pull request against the mako tree and gerrit here: https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/
[18:47] <eschatus> ogra_ & jgdx: Thanks for all the help! :)
[18:47] <SturmFlut> eschatus: Wow, I've never seen that screen.
[18:47] <antony> Reuploaded it and submitted for review. Thanks
[18:47] <antony> brb
[18:47] <mandel> kenvandine, perfect,  we need to get the silo for vivid ready, do you know how to do that, we need to copy all packages over and then just create an mr for click scope, right?
[18:47] <mandel> kenvandine, since they are all using dual landing AFAIK
[18:47] <peat-psuwit> jhodapp: Using repo, right?
[18:47] <kenvandine> you can do a sync
[18:48] <kenvandine> mandel, so sync all the packages, which will just sync the sources and rebuild
[18:48] <jhodapp> peat-psuwit, yeah
[18:48] <eschatus> SturmFlut: It's a bit blurry (taken with the BQ), but it's a chip with a red Ø. Didn't give a good feeling at all. ;)
[18:48] <mandel> kenvandine, except the click-scope
[18:48] <mcphail> eschatus: the only way they could make that picture scarier would be to make it a picture of a brick
[18:49] <kenvandine> mandel, that has a 15.04 branch?
[18:49] <mandel> kenvandine, yes, and diff dependencies
[18:49] <kenvandine> mandel, ok
[18:49] <mandel> kenvandine, it uses a diff version of ubuntuone-creds
[18:49] <kenvandine> yes then
[18:49] <mandel> kenvandine, I'll ask how to do that in the ci channel, I'll take care
[18:49] <mandel> kenvandine, no problemo
[18:50] <kenvandine> sync:ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/ubuntu/landing-009,wily content-hub ubuntu-system-settings ubuntu-download-manager
[18:50] <kenvandine> mandel, put that in the spreadsheet
[18:50] <kenvandine> mandel, column G
[18:50] <kenvandine> mandel, i'm getting it started
[18:51] <mandel> kenvandine, awesome, that is going to my notes :)
[18:51] <kenvandine> mandel, row 63
[18:51] <kenvandine> add the click-scope branch in there
[18:52] <kenvandine> mandel, also add the testing instructions
[18:52] <kenvandine> mandel, with this we can actually sync the packages before they make it to wily
[18:53] <mandel> perfect
[18:53] <mandel> kenvandine, doing it now
[18:53] <kenvandine> cool
[18:53] <antony> mcphail try installing it now
[18:54] <mandel> kenvandine, wait, you did everything and just want me to do the MR, correct?
[18:54] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:54] <kenvandine> and add test instructions
[18:54] <kenvandine> mandel, let me know when you add the MR, and I can create the silo
[18:54] <ogra_> eschatus, yay, awesome, happy it worked out
[18:54] <mandel> kenvandine, ok
[18:55] <antony> Anyone want to test my app?
[19:00] <mandel> kenvandine, done
[19:04] <crs> Hi alltogether :) is there some problem with the newest devel-proposed version? because it bricks my phone. Tried two times
[19:05] <kenvandine> crs, mako?
[19:06] <kenvandine> crs, i think image 263 is bad
[19:07] <crs> yes, nexus 4, mako, tried 263 and 264. They both stopped at the google logo for me
[19:07] <kenvandine> yeah, flash it with 262
[19:08] <crs> ok, thanks :)
[19:08] <kenvandine> not sure why though
[19:08] <kenvandine> i know 262 is good
[19:08] <crs> ok i will try that. I was at 228 for a long time because mobile data didnt work with newer ones
[19:09] <crs> thanks for your help :)
[19:09] <kenvandine> np
[19:09] <kenvandine> mandel, building in silo 17
[19:14] <mandel> kenvandine, superb
[19:27] <antony> Anyone want to test my app?
[19:32] <ahoneybun> antony: have a .click or is it in the store?
[19:32] <antony> store
[19:33] <antony> Its called cellular beta
[19:34]  * ahoneybun looks for it
[19:38] <antony> Are you aarom?
[19:38] <ahoneybun> yea
[19:38] <ahoneybun> meant to type aaron
[19:39] <antony> What side of the map are you on?
[19:39] <ahoneybun> no clue
[19:40] <ahoneybun> top right?
[19:41] <antony> Im comeing to eat you :)
[19:41] <ahoneybun> so this is on a server
[19:41] <antony> Yes
[19:42] <antony> The maps meant for around 20 people and we only have 2
[19:42] <ahoneybun> bit laggly
[19:44] <antony> Still lagging?
[19:45] <ahoneybun> not badl
[19:46] <antony> Ricoh ate me
[19:46] <ahoneybun> ive seen no one
[19:47] <antony> The map is 500by500 squares
[19:48] <popey> antony: i played a couple of times, but on the second play, whenever I touch the screen to move, the keyboard pops up
[19:49] <antony> Ill look into it
[19:49] <popey> antony: url is broken in your desktop file too
[19:49] <popey> http:/cellular.dynu.com:3000
[19:49] <popey> should have two slashes
[19:50] <antony> Fixed the url
[19:54] <antony> Come kill antony 2. Want to see if i get the keyboard issue
[19:54] <popey> painfully slow
[19:55] <antony> What device are you using?
[19:55] <popey> desktop pc :)
[19:56] <antony> Emulator?
[19:56] <popey> no, desktop pc, chrome
[19:56] <antony> Could just be high ping. What country do you live in?
[19:57] <r00t_x> hi ;)
[19:57] <popey> uk
[19:57] <popey> i am seeing popey2 still alive, but popey ate him ages ago
[19:57] <antony> Try the - ping command from your desktop
[19:58] <popey> oh, this is on your home connection?
[19:58] <popey> yeah, it _just_ told me popey2 died, which i did ages ago
[19:58] <popey> avergae ping of 127
[19:58] <antony> 127 shouldnt be to bad
[19:59] <antony> Yep im hosting it from my home
[19:59] <antony> Using dyndns to fix dynamic ip issues
[19:59] <popey> k
[20:00] <antony> Well the game seems functional at least and i wasnt able to reproduce the keyboard issue on the emulator.
[20:01] <popey> try typing the nickname in and press enter, rather than tap the button
[20:01] <popey> thats what I did
[20:01] <antony> Main issue is that the server needs more people in order for the game to be fun.
[20:13] <r00t_x> guys is there any option to put ubuntu touch to samsung galaxy tab 3?
[20:15] <popey> antony: if it's slow you won't get more people
[20:15] <popey> I suspect it's not slow for you because you're sat on the same piece of ethernet as i is
[20:25] <antony> Could have just been a temporary issue i just tested it with a low bandwidth proxy with a 600ms ping and it was bad but not unbearable. I would think 127 ping would be fine.
[20:25] <TonyBoston> kind of weird when I can access the aquaris on a mac but not in ubuntu
[20:29] <r00t_x> guys is there any option to put ubuntu touch to samsung galaxy tab 3?
[20:30] <antony> You can create your own rom
[20:33] <r00t_x> yhm
[20:33] <r00t_x> im not that good
[20:35] <mcphail> antony: got your game. It is a bit like osmosis
[20:37] <antony> Its multilayer arena. Needs more people for it to actually be fun though
[20:38] <jgdx> eschatus, oh sorry that happened. You should get in contact with meizu support at this point. :|
[20:39] <antony> Noticing any lag?
[20:39] <mcphail> a little
[20:39] <mcphail> does your blob get slower as it gets fatter?
[20:39] <antony> yes
[20:40] <antony> What part of the map are you on?
[20:40] <mcphail> top right corner
[20:41] <mcphail> ha
[20:41] <mcphail> i am mega blob
[20:42] <mcphail> has potential. I'd rather it had an inertia mechanic, like osmosis, rather than simply slowing down though
[20:45] <mcphail> antony: I'll be away until next Tuesday, but would be happy to join a big game to stress test it then if you want
[20:45] <taiebot> Is the calendar on the Today scope gone for good?
[20:48] <taiebot> i meant there was a big icon with todays date on top of the Today scope. Is this suppose not to be here anymore?
[20:58] <mwenning> hi ubuntu touch guys
[21:00] <mwenning> I have a Nexus 7 with a bluetooth mouse attached, looks like it works but no cursor shows up.  Ring any bells?
[21:14] <eschatus> jgdx: You got the end, right? I got it running again after the bad chip screen appeared. :) Was hoping I could figure out away without bothering them so they might think - hey this worked great, no trouble at all, let's make a bunch of Ubuntu phones already!
[21:14] <eschatus> :)
[21:16] <taiebot> mwenning it s normal it s not fully implemented yet
[21:31] <mwenning> taiebot,  thx.  ETA?  Workarounds?
[21:33] <taiebot> mwenning i think it will not land in a long time  it's a mir thing and they are still working on it.
[22:26] <antony> Is it possible to publish mobile apps to desktop yet?
[22:59] <Gedichtewicht_> test


[11:17] <Viglen> shatrat, Could not access GDM configuration file.
[11:17] <variant> keeganX: there are unpatched remote access vulnerabilities in et for linux
[11:17] <linuxnewbie756> anyone know how to use gaim to see what your ip address is? i am trying to see if my proxy is set up right in gaim
[11:17] <dysmas> gh0st: k, yeah, its only 2 lines ;)
[11:17] <variant> keeganX: if you run the installer as the user and install it to your home directory instead you wont have that problem
[11:17] <shatrat> Viglen, does it mention where the GDM configuration file is?
[11:17] <nixnoo1> k
[11:17] <melon> guys.. i upgraded to edgy earlier.. and have a problem with bittorrent - i've never had an issue with more than one torrent - but now with edgy - it instead gives me the error "Couldn't Listen: (98, 'Address already in use')"
[11:18] <keeganX> variant: So don't install it as a super user?
[11:18] <Viglen> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[11:18] <Viglen> no.
[11:18] <variant> keeganX: basically
[11:18] <variant> keeganX: I didn't
[11:18] <variant> keeganX: and mine works fine
[11:18] <variant> keeganX: copy all your map files and configs over to the directory created in your home dir after the install
[11:18] <variant> keeganX: if you have any that is
[11:19] <gh0st> dysmas: i have to go soon, so please post ;-)
[11:19] <Viglen> ?>
[11:20] <dysmas> gh0st: 2 seconds
[11:20] <gh0st> hehe
[11:20] <shatrat> Viglen, im looking for the gdm configuration file
[11:20] <Viglen> oh, okay  tyt
[11:20] <dysmas> gh0st: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3504/
[11:20] <gh0st> dysmas: thanks, will try that out now!
[11:20] <gh0st> bye
[11:20] <variant> keeganX: i'm off, /msg me if it works for you.. (you have to be registered with nickserve to do that though on this network - /msg nickserv help for more info)
[11:20] <dysmas> gh0st: you can then create a launcher on your desktop to run it
[11:20] <tamacracker> Does anyone know the name of the applet that looks up themes on the internet for you? and you can download em?
[11:20] <dysmas> gh0st: cya
[11:21] <variant> tamacracker: themes for what?
[11:21] <variant> tamacracker: gtk themes?
[11:21] <tamacracker> Gnome
[11:21] <linux_kid> Is Gparted Non-Destructive? (In other words, will it break my partitions when I use it AND will it move files so that they all fit on the smaller partition?)
[11:21] <variant> tamacracker: that would be gtk-themeswitch off the top of  my head
[11:21] <dysmas> gh0st: oh! to run it you will need to run "sh mounttc.sh"
[11:21] <tamacracker> gtk-themeswitch?
[11:21] <variant> !themes
[11:21] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[11:21] <variant> tamacracker: check those links for more info.. i don't know any more
[11:22] <shatrat> Viglen, is there stuff in your /etc/gdm directory?
[11:22] <tamacracker> ok gonna check for package manager
[11:22] <tamacracker> ok
[11:22] <vsclan_dolidoli> i've problem...
[11:22] <Viglen> yeah
[11:22] <vsclan_dolidoli> when I control volume bar, sound doesn't work
[11:22] <Viglen> gdm.conf
[11:22] <nkbreau> hey everyone, I've just gotten beryl working on my ubuntu install, but the menu bar disapears... suggestions ??
[11:22] <sivik> how do i get true type fonts to install in linux
[11:23] <shatrat> nkbreau, #ubuntu-xgl
[11:23] <nkbreau> thanks.
[11:23] <y0hm> nkbreau reload your window-decorator
[11:23] <shatrat> Viglen, there should be more stuff than that.
[11:23] <nkbreau> how do i do that y0hm ?
[11:23] <Viglen> yeah
[11:23] <Viglen> there are
[11:23] <Viglen>  item
[11:23] <nkbreau> nevermind, found it
[11:23] <Viglen> 10 items
[11:23] <sivik> !truetype
[11:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about truetype - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:23] <sivik> !fonts
[11:23] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[11:23] <y0hm> type beryl-manager in terminal
[11:24] <shatrat> Viglen, k, then im not sure what the problem is.  Are there read write permissions on them as owner? ls -l
[11:24] <vsclan_dolidoli> I copied trutype fonts from windows partition
[11:24] <nkbreau> y0hm - didnt seem to work
[11:24] <Viglen> i dont know
[11:24] <Viglen> :S
[11:25] <sivik> is there a way to decrease the amount of time between asking for a password when using sudo in cli/terminal
[11:25] <y0hm> normally , if installed correctly you get a beryl_pop-up menu
[11:25] <nkbreau> the linux menu bar with Applications, Places, System ,etc.. also stops working
[11:25] <whonicca> is there a lightweight ubuntu installation?
[11:25] <sivik> whonicca, server install
[11:25] <y0hm> which allows you to select & reload options & stuff
[11:25] <preaction> sivik: you mean between failed attempts? no that's by design
[11:25] <nkbreau> the red beryl logo shows up for a few seconds
[11:25] <nkbreau> and when i switch workspaces i get the cool cube effect
[11:25] <shatrat> Viglen, ls -l will list files along with details about them.  Also, you should have a factory-gdm.conf and maybe a gdm.conf-custom
[11:25] <whonicca> sivik, does it operate exactly like desktop?
[11:26] <whonicca> just less packages
[11:26] <Viglen> yeah
[11:26] <Viglen> they're all here
[11:26] <whonicca> i want to have more control on what gets setup
[11:26] <nkbreau> but the application and gnome menus disapear and stop working
[11:26] <y0hm> type  emerald --replace in terminal & see what that gives you !
[11:26] <Viglen> should i replace gdm.conf with factory
[11:26] <nixnoo1> can someone help me with wifi setup.
[11:26] <nkbreau> what does that do ?
[11:26] <deafboy> Isn't w32codecs in the ubuntu repositories?
[11:26] <y0hm> emerald is the standard beryl-wondow decorator
[11:26] <y0hm> *window
[11:27] <nixnoo1> my wireless network is not detected.
[11:27] <shatrat> Viglen, I really dont know, maybe you should google your error, "could not access GDM conf" or whatever.  Im not sure why its not opening it if its there, and gdmconf is run as root.
[11:27] <jatt> sivik: I think you can adjust that with that the timestamp_timeout option in the /etc/sudoers file (<sivik> is there a way to decrease the amount of time between asking for password when using sudo in cli/terminal)
[11:27] <dysmas> nixnoo1: open a terminal and type in "iwconfig" does it say much?
[11:28] <shatrat> Viglen, wish I could be more help, I have to go do some errands before everybody closes up though
[11:28] <nkbreau> y0hm - didnt do anything
[11:28] <Viglen> it's okay
[11:28] <nkbreau> it just sat there,... no output in the console
[11:28] <Viglen> thanks :)
[11:28] <john78934> hey, anyone out there able to give some help regarding nvidia resolutions?
[11:28] <nixnoo1> it says wmaster0 wlan9
[11:29] <dysmas> nixnoo1:  does it list an ESSID in the information anywhere?
[11:29] <y0hm> nkbreau , you are very close , if the cube is working , then it sounds to me that your window decorator is not loaded  , or perhaps you need to tweak your xorg.conf for xgl
[11:29] <nkbreau> ok, thanks
[11:29] <nkbreau> I've gotta run, bt be back later tonight.
[11:29] <dysmas> nkbreau: what happens if you just type "emerald" into a terminal?
[11:30] <tamacracker> im tryin to find Gnome-Art in my Package Manager but it's not there... does anyone know where i can get it?
[11:30] <nkbreau> emerald: Screen 0 on display ":0.0" already has a decoration manager; try using the --replace option to replace the current decoration manager.
[11:30] <nikitis> is there a way to ctrl + V something into terminal?  without having to right click and hit paste?
[11:30] <dysmas> nkbreau: and if you use "emerald --replace"?
[11:30] <nkbreau> emerald is there, i have the icon in the topbar
[11:30] <nkbreau> when i do that nothing happens, it just hangs there
[11:30] <jatt> nikitis: shift + insert
[11:31] <y0hm> nkbreau ,did u add the various glx options to your xorg.conf ?
[11:31] <nixnoo1> no essid listed anywhere.
[11:31] <dysmas> nkbreau: sucks ... mine did the same for a while, think that fixed it tho...
[11:31] <nkbreau> not sure I'll have to double check once i get home
[11:31] <nixnoo1> wait
[11:31] <vsclan_dolidoli> xgl can anti-aliasing display?
[11:31] <nkbreau> ok thanks, I'll be back l;ater. with an update
[11:31] <john78934> http://neon-net.servebeer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/myth6.jpg
[11:31] <nixnoo1> it said ESSID: " " under wlan0
[11:31] <john78934> i'm having issues with resolutions in ubuntu with an nvidia driver
[11:31] <vsclan_dolidoli> !anti-aliasing
[11:31] <dysmas> nixnoo1: ok, try to typying "iwconfig wlan9 essid any"
[11:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anti-aliasing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:31] <kidko> Has anybody else here encountered a crash with the X update?
[11:32] <dysmas> nixnoo1: and then wait a few seconds, and type "iwconfig" again, then see if your router name has popped up
[11:32] <nixnoo1> dysmas it says nothing
[11:32] <mattva01> are there any 6.10 DVD install images?
[11:32] <nixnoo1> no
[11:33] <vsclan_dolidoli> john78934, oh SAMSUNG TV.
[11:33] <nikitis> jatt: that didn't work
[11:33] <john78934> vsclan_dolidoli yeah... basically doing a mythtv setup
[11:33] <cld2> anyone know of a repo with the latest gaim betas? thanks.
[11:33] <shatrat> mattva01, there are, its a waste of bandwidth though, imo
[11:34] <shatrat> cld2, youre the third person ive seen ask about beta 6, whats so special in this beta that everyone wants it so fast?
[11:34] <stephen> violot
[11:34] <john78934> vsclan_dolidoli: having issues with it getting into the correct resolution; long story short i'm using the nvidia driver and it only gives me two resolution settings 640x480 and 800x600
[11:34] <bigfuzzyjesus_> list
[11:34] <roler> i'm re-installing ubuntu onto my laptop. I cannot format my partition because it has my home directory files in it. All other directories have been cleared. When I am installing off of the live cd, it says "Filesystems used by the system / must be reformatted for use by this installer" How can I get aruond this?!?!
[11:35] <jatt> nikitis: I've just tested it copying data from firefox and pasting it in gnome-terminal
[11:35] <nolimitsoya_> howcome some of my applications dont show up in my menu, even when theyve created .desktop-files? fex: http://pastebin.com/871595
[11:35] <Landon> Hey all, I still can't figure out my fonts on Photoshop 7 through WINE. It's not working still, and shatrat, it wasn't on that site either
[11:35] <nikitis> jatt: hmm i just tried it too and it's not working ?
[11:35] <cld2> shatrat: well, im looking for beta4 for the bug fixes and the inclusion of gaim-text
[11:36] <jatt> strange...
[11:36] <cld2> shatrat: and beta5 is allegedly faster.
[11:37] <Landon> Hey all, I have a question: I installed Photoshop on my computer, used WINE, everything is working great. Only problem is that when I try to use my text tool, it won't let me, saying that it "Could not complete your request because system defaults could not be obtained." Anyone have a fix for this?
[11:37] <cld2> Landon: it has to do with fonts
[11:37] <shatrat> Landon, http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=1336 is the entry for photoshop 7 on appdb
[11:37] <Landon> cld2: I know, but I can't figure it out
[11:37] <cld2> Landon: what version of Photoshop did you get working? 7 or a CS?
[11:37] <Landon> 7
[11:38] <Viglen> hey
[11:38] <Viglen> something is wrong with my ubuntu
[11:38] <Viglen> how do i uninstall kde
[11:38] <julian> anybody know why Gnome Terminal isn't giving me true transparency?  I have beryl installed and working correctly.  All I see is the desktop background
[11:38] <nikitis> jatt: i tried it on my other ubuntu and shift insert did work
[11:38] <Viglen> !uninstall kde
[11:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uninstall kde - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:38] <Landon> shatrat: It's not there
[11:38] <whonicca> so after i finish installing the server edition all i need to do to get a basic gnome install is apt-get gnome?
[11:38] <nolimitsoya_> could anyone please point me in the direction of some sort of documentation for menu items and .desktopfiles then?
[11:38] <whonicca> or would that pull in everything in ubuntu?
[11:39] <vsclan_dolidoli> john78934, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:39] <pbureau> I am using gnome-networkmanager and evrythign works but, everytime I boot my laptop I have to "choose" a network to connect to, anyone know how to make it have a "default" unless I decide to select another (when I go to coffee shop)...
[11:39] <vsclan_dolidoli> check section "Screen"
[11:39] <gnomefreak> Viglen: removing libqt3-mt will remove any app that uses qt (all kde apps)
[11:40] <john78934> Section "Monitor"
[11:40] <john78934>         Identifier      "Generic Monitor"
[11:40] <john78934>         Option          "DPMS"
[11:40] <john78934>         HorizSync       28-80
[11:40] <john78934>         VertRefresh     43-60
[11:40] <john78934> EndSection
[11:40] <john78934> i'm assuming that is my samsung tv
[11:41] <diesel> jawel zie je wel
[11:41] <john78934> Section "Monitor"
[11:41] <john78934>         Identifier      "Generic Monitor"
[11:41] <john78934>         Option          "DPMS"
[11:41] <john78934>         HorizSync       28-80
[11:41] <john78934>         VertRefresh     43-60
[11:41] <john78934> EndSection
[11:41] <john78934> whoops, wrong clipboard
[11:41] <diesel> effe wennen m,aar vraag maar raak hier int engels dan
[11:41] <shatrat> John, every time you do that Steve Ballmer violates a kitten.
[11:42] <diesel> ken je een console??
[11:42] <tamacracker> Can someone please help me install Gnome-Art, this site gives directions but it's not working: http://www.miketech.net/gnome-art/
[11:42] <john78934> hah, right on, i'll hold off on it
[11:42] <shatrat> !paste|john78934
[11:42] <ubotu> john78934: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:42] <Landon> cld2: Any ideas?
[11:42] <tamacracker> Can someone please help me install Gnome-Art, this site gives directions but it's not working: http://www.miketech.net/gnome-art/
[11:42] <[H5N1] > So how do I get rid of totem-mozilla?
[11:42] <kev_b> pbureau: do you mean wireless network?
[11:43] <[H5N1] > It wants to remove ubuntu-desktop if I want to remove totem-mozilla
[11:43] <[H5N1] > Ridiculous.
[11:43] <sdlvx> i have a problem with my asus video card, they changed the device ID from ATI to ASUS, and the fglrx drivers arent recognizing them
[11:43] <pbureau> kev_b- yep
[11:43] <john78934> vsclan_dolidoli anywho - would i be able to define the screen resolutions in that line by doing a subsection?
[11:43] <tamacracker> Can someone please help me install Gnome-Art, this site gives directions but it's not working: http://www.miketech.net/gnome-art/
[11:43] <kev_b> pbureau: i switched to nm-applet yesterday, have you tried it?
[11:44] <Jowi> tamacracker, "sudo apt-get install gnome-art"
[11:44] <linux_kid> diesel: Ich nehme an, da du deutsch bist. Das IRC Fhrung #ubuntu-de
[11:44] <Jowi> !info gnome-art
[11:44] <ubotu> gnome-art: install GNOME themes from art.gnome.org. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-3 (edgy), package size 26 kB, installed size 200 kB
[11:44] <killaz> hi can someone guide me through the installation of wlan on edgy? I tried almost anbything, tutorial on the net.. but no luck
[11:44] <diesel> nee dutch
[11:44] <Jowi> tamacracker, you need universe repo enabled
[11:44] <kris^> where can i get an identd for ubuntu?  i just installed
[11:44] <killaz> wpa is like buggy on edgy?
[11:44] <Zambezi> My IDE1 is broke, when I try to install I get a red screen. Is it possible the motherboard is broke?
[11:44] <Zambezi> My IDE1 is broke, when I try to install I get a red screen. Is it possible the motherboard is broke?
[11:44] <diesel> i was inviting a new ubuntu user ralph to join this linux group
[11:44] <tamacracker> i need universe enabled? i do that through the package manager, yes?
[11:45] <Jowi> yes tamacracker
[11:45] <Zambezi> Sorry. I didn't mean to post it twice. I tried to do a clear which was the messages before.
[11:45] <variant> tamacracker: it's quite simple to just uncomment it in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:46] <kris^> is there an ubuntu package that has an identd?
[11:46] <vsclan_dolidoli> john78934, dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:46] <variant> tamacracker: just remove the # from the front of the line that contains the universe URL
[11:46] <tamacracker> yeah
[11:46] <variant> kris^: yes
[11:47] <variant> kris^: many
[11:47] <davidohagan> Hi there, would anyone be able to help me? Ubuntu stalls at 6% when I try to install it.
[11:47] <ElPenguin> hi all, is the intel 3945 wireless driver on the latest livecd?
[11:47] <kris^> what is the most common one?
[11:47] <ElPenguin> davidohagan: did you verify the burned media?
[11:47] <variant> slidentd sidentd pidentd oidentd nullidentd midentd
[11:47] <variant> kris^: dunno, i don't use identd
[11:47] <Galga> !seen anon32 ?
[11:48] <gh0st> hi again, i've got a problem: my HD doesn't mount anymore!? how can i reformat it ?
[11:48] <kris^> how do you fake it then?
[11:48] <variant> kris^: why do you want it? if it's to get rid of the ~ in your nick on quakenet im gonna /slap you :)
[11:48] <ElPenguin> gh0st: stick in the livecd and use fdisk, or just go through a new install
[11:48] <tamacracker> variant this is the error i get in terminal: E: Couldn't find package gnome-art
[11:48] <variant> kris^: fake it? I have no use for identd and i don't use any services which reuqire it
[11:48] <davidohagan> I can't the verify option on the CD doesn't work
[11:48] <killaz> anyone using wpa and ubuntu 6.10 who can guide me through this?
[11:48] <Galga> how do i see someone is online or not ?
[11:48] <variant> tamacracker: is there a package called gnome-art?
[11:48] <Galga> !anyone seen anon32
[11:49] <variant> tamacracker: do apt-cache search gnome-art
[11:49] <tamacracker> ok
[11:49] <gh0st> ElPenguin : what was the graphic formatation tool called?
[11:49] <vsclan_dolidoli> ElPenguin, I use I 3945, I works well
[11:49] <high-freq> anyone know how to fix this error... ./lib/rex/socket/ssl_tcp_server.rb:4:in `require': no such file to load -- openssl (LoadError)   ...and openssl is installed already
[11:49] <variant> kris^: do apt-cache search identd
[11:49] <intrepidus> Quick question: is it easy to set up a laptop to display to both the laptop screen, and a projector?
[11:49] <Jowi> tamacracker, you need to "sudo apt-get update" first
[11:49] <tamacracker> that does nothing.
[11:49] <tamacracker> ok
[11:49] <intrepidus> I can't seem to find anything about it
[11:49] <cypherdelic> hello i need support for my video card, its not support under edgy
[11:49] <ElPenguin> gh0st: gparted?
[11:49] <variant> cypherdelic: which card is it?
[11:49] <ElPenguin> vsclan_dolidoli: on the latest livecd? i won't have internet to download it without the driver
[11:50] <vsclan_dolidoli> yeh
[11:50] <ElPenguin> thanks :)
[11:50] <cypherdelic> dont know exactly, its a new nvidia go
[11:50] <cypherdelic> device manager says unknown
[11:50] <variant> cypherdelic: yeah, it's supported by installing hte nvidia drivers
[11:50] <variant> !nvidia | cypherdelic
[11:50] <ubotu> cypherdelic: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:50] <gh0st> ElPenguin: the problem is, it doesn't detect it
[11:50] <nrdb> I have just setup a vncserver on a remote computer, I am connecting to it via OpenVPN, but the vncviewer is showing bad color, I think it is using a 256 color palette, I told the vncserver to use a color depth of 16, anyone know why the color isn't correct ?
[11:51] <variant> cypherdelic: follow the guide there
[11:51] <tamacracker> saweeeeet
[11:51] <gh0st> ElPenguin: or wait, it did
[11:51] <vsclan_dolidoli> Pro/wireless 3945ABG Network , Intel Corporation <--
[11:51] <cypherdelic> i did im using current package nvidia-glx 1.0.8776
[11:51] <vsclan_dolidoli> auto-detected
[11:51] <cypherdelic> it is not supported
[11:51] <Jowi> nrdb, press F8 in the vnc window and see if you can enable it
[11:51] <ElPenguin> gh0st: it doesn't detect the DRIVE?
[11:51] <whonicca> has anyone gotten zshare.net videos to work on their systems?
[11:51] <y0hm> cypher thats an old driver
[11:52] <kris^> kris@dazed:~$ apt-cache search identd
[11:52] <kris^> postgresql-8.1 - object-relational SQL database, version 8.1 server
[11:52] <kris^> kris@dazed:~$ apt-cache search identd
[11:52] <kris^> postgresql-8.1 - object-relational SQL database, version 8.1 server
[11:52] <y0hm> older*
[11:52] <gh0st> ElPenguin: it did, everything ok i tink now
[11:52] <whonicca> if so what do you have to install the get it working
[11:52] <kris^> oops
[11:52] <kris^> sorry
[11:52] <julian> anybody ever used Garnome to install the newest gnome before?
[11:52] <xdude> cypherdelic - try lscpi to determine what video card it is
[11:52] <kris^> but anyway, thats not an identd, is it?
[11:53] <cypherdelic> command not found -xdude
[11:53] <xdude> nvidia has great backing with ubuntu...    ????? lscpi not found - strange
[11:54] <john78934> lspci
[11:54] <nrdb> Jowi: I didn't know about that, thanks :) it really make a difference to the speed of the window update, is there a way to make that the default ?
[11:54] <tamacracker> Thanks alot Jowi and variant
[11:54] <abo> anyone can help me fix the sound input issue, when I record my voice is toooo low
[11:54] <xdude> oh, sorry
[11:54] <xdude> ls for the pci..  - lspci
[11:54] <Jowi> np tamacracker
[11:54] <squeaks> abo, alsamixer command?
[11:55] <cypherdelic> nVidia Corporation Unknown Device 0398 (reva1)
[11:55] <variant> cypherdelic: try running it as root
[11:55] <xdude> thanks john78934...
[11:55] <ubuntunoob> hm
[11:55] <variant> cypherdelic: run sudo update-pciids
[11:55] <variant> cypherdelic: then run sudo lspci again
[11:55] <Amalia> hey, I hide xmms and can't seem to find it, i tried re-installing, didn't fix it >.>;
[11:55] <cypherdelic> its from a Sony VAIO Fe31Z
[11:55] <abo> squeaks, and?
[11:55] <Jowi> nrdb, you should be able to... check "man vncviewer"
[11:55] <gh0st> how can i change the name of mounted device?
[11:55] <Dhjiz> hello
[11:56] <variant> gh0st: rename hte directory where it is mounted
[11:56] <Dhjiz> that's me again
[11:56] <Dhjiz> my problem isn't solved :s
[11:56] <Dhjiz> i begin to desperate
[11:56] <variant> cypherdelic: did you do what i asked?
[11:56] <gh0st> variant: it's a usb drive
[11:56] <cypherdelic> yes i did i copied
[11:56] <variant> gh0st: ah, what filesystem is on it?
[11:56] <cypherdelic> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0398 (rev a
[11:56] <cypherdelic> 1)
[11:57] <variant> cypherdelic: and that is after running update-pciids?
[11:57] <gh0st> variant: fat32 i just formatted it , and now i get "usbdisk", but i want to change that (and the mount point)
[11:57] <Flannel> !sound | Dhjiz
[11:57] <ubotu> Dhjiz: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:57] <abo> squeaks, I raised the mic, and then it goes down by itself when I start talking!!
[11:57] <variant> gh0st: ah, you can name the parititon with the dos utils and you can change everything else (mountpoint etc) with udev rules
[11:57] <cypherdelic> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce Go 7600]  (rev a1)
[11:57] <variant> gh0st: not as simple as an average noob would like but if your up to it then do it
[11:57] <cypherdelic> you're right
[11:58] <variant> cypherdelic: there you go
[11:58] <Jowi> nrdb, think it's the -8bit option from the command line
[11:58] <variant> cypherdelic: now follow the guide in the following link
[11:58] <cypherdelic> so how to determine which driver is used currently?
[11:58] <Dolidoli> geforce go 7600 <--- a8jm ?
[11:58] <cypherdelic> i did that
[11:58] <variant> !nvidia | cypherdelic
[11:58] <ubotu> cypherdelic: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:58] <cypherdelic> already
[11:58] <gh0st> variant: the problem is, that before i messed it up, everything worked fine, the correct name appeared, now it's not like that anymore
[11:58] <kev_b> Amalia: just an idea, if you do "apt-get --purge remove" instead of just remove it will get rid of the config for xmms, then when you reinstall it it should be all default
[11:58] <asdf_> how do I play midi files on ubuntu?
[11:58] <variant> cypherdelic: well, if you never installed it before then your using hte free 2d driver
[11:58] <cypherdelic> im using "nvividia" in device setion
[11:58] <Dhjiz> I saw these pages
[11:58] <asdf_> what do I need to play midi files on ubuntu?
[11:58] <gh0st> variant: what exactly could i do (easiest way)?
[11:58] <variant> cypherdelic: did you follow the guide?
[11:58] <nrdb> Jowi: just reading now
[11:59] <heyde> sommeone can help-me? I want to disable the firewall on ubuntu dapper
[11:59] <cypherdelic> yes but i can run glx and composite
[11:59] <cafuego_> asdf_: try 'timidity'
[11:59] <tamacracker> ah crap that's right i gotta download all the encodes for amarok
[11:59] <Jowi> nrdb, I found that tightvnc is a bit smarter since you can also change the compression of the image in jpeg format.
[11:59] <gh0st> variant: any tutorial/guide on how to make this?
[11:59] <variant> gh0st: eek, would be a bit time consumeing to tell you just now, if you want to come back tomorrow some time i can talk you throught it (i will be at work which is the best time to catch me ((my job doesnt require much effort))
[11:59] <jatt> hehe
[11:59] <kev_b> Amalia: There is also a way to do it in synaptic, "remove completely" i think
[11:59] <melon> guys.. i upgraded to edgy earlier.. and have a problem with bittorrent - i've never had an issue with more than one torrent - but now with edgy - it instead gives me the error "Couldn't Listen: (98, 'Address already in use')" - any suggestions on how to get more than one working simultaneously again?
[12:00] <graft> um, i'm having very strange problems with sound, here... anytime i try and play anything, it just loops incessantly over the first second until i kill it
[12:00] <gh0st> variant: ah, pity, no guide whatsoever? or could you do express-help? please :-)
[12:00] <cypherdelic> variant, iut is still unkwon in device manager
[12:00] <graft> happens with flash and with mplayer
[12:00] <variant> gh0st: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html excellent primer for it
[12:00] <variant> cypherdelic: ignore device manager, it is meaningless
[12:01] <variant> cypherdelic: as long as you know what it is then thats all that matters


[11:56] <rickspencer3> morning all
[11:57] <rickspencer3> https://code.launchpad.net/~rick-rickspencer3/+junk/DCBusit
[13:36] <ChinnoDog> morning
[13:36] <rickspencer3> o/ ChinnoDog
[13:36] <ChinnoDog> There is now vUDS?
[14:31] <adom> morning
[14:31] <adom> rickspencer3: ...and what's UDS?
[14:31] <adom> should i already know?
[14:31] <rickspencer3> adom, Ubuntu Developer Summit
[14:31] <adom> ahhh
[14:31] <adom> cool
[14:31] <rickspencer3> it's when we get together and discuss the next release
[14:32] <rickspencer3> did you guys see my Metro bus app for the phone?
[14:32] <adom> saw the link, havent checked it yet
[14:33] <adom> hey, didnt Ubuntu Touch just release stable?
[14:33] <adom> like, last week
[16:15] <marcoceppi> adom: Wouldn't cal it "stable" but it's a usable image, it'll def get lots of heavy updates this cycle though
[16:27] <adom> marcoceppi: gimme a guesstimate as to when I'll be able to install Ubuntu Touch on my mainstream Android phone and use it day-to-day.
[16:27] <adom> by mainstream phone, let's say I get the new Nexus 5.
[16:28] <adom> (which i'm planning on and we should all discuss because wow its amazing and only $350 without contract)
[16:28] <marcoceppi> adom: no idea, but soon. Nexus 4 version of the site does a pretty good job so far as I understand
[16:28]  * marcoceppi is cloud/server has no idea
[16:28] <adom> marcoceppi: fair enough
[16:29] <marcoceppi> adom: rickspencer3 should know ;)
[16:29] <adom> rickspencer3: any idea on when a day-to-day usable release of ubuntu touch might be available for download?
[16:29] <adom> also, is Ubuntu doing dev on the new Nexus 5 yet? j/c
[16:29] <rickspencer3> adom, I think it already has been
[16:29] <rickspencer3> that was 13.10
[16:30] <rickspencer3> I have been using Ubuntu as my only phone for a month or two
[16:30] <rickspencer3> but as of last week, it works quite well
[16:30] <rickspencer3> it lacks a few features, but nothing blocking you from using it
[16:30] <adom> rickspencer3: oh. wow, nice.
[16:30] <adom> i have a Samsung GS3, can I install it?
[16:31] <rickspencer3> adom, well, could be, if there is a community port
[16:31] <rickspencer3> the ports are nice, but really not close to the official Nexus 4 image
[16:32] <rickspencer3> honestly, if you don't have a Nexus 4, it would be hard to use it as your only phone, I think
[16:49] <adom> rickspencer3: fair enough.
[16:49] <adom> any progress on the nexus 5 yet? or is it still too early?
[18:37] <rickspencer3> adom, sorry, I didn't see your question
[18:38] <rickspencer3> adom, we haven't picked a new reference platform yet
[18:56] <adom> rickspencer3: oh. i was hoping Nexus 5 would be an assured platform for Ubuntu Touch in the future. maybe not refernece platform, but I assumed there'd be at least support for the hardware.
[18:56] <rickspencer3> it might be
[18:56] <rickspencer3> just not sure yet
[18:56] <adom> fair enough
[18:57] <adom> im still pretty sure I'm getting one. $350 without a contract with great hardware, you can't beat that in my book.
[18:57] <adom> although ill probably spring for the larger storage memory one for more
[18:58] <adom> im psyched. my anticipation stems mostly from the dream of leaving TMobile i have to admit.
[18:58] <adom> its not that bad up where I'm from, but once we moved down here, it became a wifi tablet in my pocket pretty much.
[18:59] <adom> thinking I'll switch to Verizon. gf and I have been planning on starting a new share plan rather than seperate plans. Verizon seems to have great coverage around here and i've been told their 4G LTE is the fastest (or at least it usually beats AT&T's)
[19:00] <adom> glad to hear from anyone about their provider and the coverage/speed they get
[19:39] <ChinnoDog> What does anyone make of the prices on http://cloudatcost.com/?
[19:39] <ChinnoDog> Will they be in business longer than 5 minutes?
[19:44] <ChinnoDog> adom: I bet you cannot beat those rates.