[00:34] <kristian-aalborg> Unit193, I seem to remember gparted not being able to see the hidden partitions?
[00:35] <kristian-aalborg> I want to sweep the drive, but not really time for DBAN
[01:27] <DoctorDuck> Anyone wanna help a noob with some apache2 permission issues?
[01:37] <pleia2> DoctorDuck: sure, what's the trouble?
[01:37] <pleia2> (I actually have to leave soon, but if it's quick..!)
[02:22] <kristian-aalborg> hmm, so I tried  shred -n 2 -z -v /dev/sda --it seems to miss some of the drive, listing only 466 gb out of 500?
[02:24] <JackyAlcine> kristian-aalborg: might be protected by root.
[02:24] <kristian-aalborg> JackyAlcine, this is from a livecd, and I'm using sudo
[02:24] <kristian-aalborg> ah wait
[02:25] <kristian-aalborg> user said something about having to fix BIOS when installing windows
[02:25] <kristian-aalborg> let me look there
[02:26] <JackyAlcine> Yeah, because Windows installs its own MBR and replaces Grub.
[02:26] <JackyAlcine> !grub
[02:26] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[02:26] <JackyAlcine> But that's in the first 512 sectors of the disc.
[02:28] <kristian-aalborg> JackyAlcine, I know what grub is
[02:28] <kristian-aalborg> this is the hidden recovery stuff I am talking about
[02:28] <JackyAlcine> :X sorry, habit. :)
[02:29] <kristian-aalborg> there's an option to "reset configuration data" in BIOS
[02:29] <JackyAlcine> o.O wouldn't that be for the BIOS config?
[02:29] <JackyAlcine> And what system are you running?
[02:29] <JackyAlcine> What shows up when you run "# fdisk -l"?
[02:31] <kristian-aalborg> I'm in bios now
[02:31] <kristian-aalborg> but, it shows /dev/sda as 500 g
[02:31] <kristian-aalborg> and then when I use gparted or shred, I only get 466 g
[02:32] <kristian-aalborg> however, there was an "installed O/S" thing that said XP... I changed it to "other"
[02:32] <kristian-aalborg> let's have another look
[02:35] <kristian-aalborg> I have a feeling that they've conspired ;)
[02:38] <kristian-aalborg> wut!! Now I have 465 GB in gparted!
[02:41] <JackyAlcine> \o/
[02:43] <kristian-aalborg> no, the opposite of that
[02:44] <JackyAlcine> o.O how come?
[02:52] <kristian-aalborg> ah
[02:52] <kristian-aalborg> it's that age old trick, it gets me every time
[02:53] <kristian-aalborg> "let's count it so it looks bigger"... 465=500
[02:53] <kristian-aalborg> no prob, it seems - good
[02:59] <kristian-aalborg> is libreoffice still the place to be?
[07:55] <Space-Duck> I installed LAMP and made a link from /var/www to /home/space-duck/www; everything works great!
[07:55] <Space-Duck> I ssh'd to another desktop and scp'd a directory to my home www and now I get a 500 error, apache2 gives me permission errors.
[07:55] <Space-Duck> if I manually recreate the directory using the file contents, it works. How do I fix files from scp?
[07:57] <Space-Duck> The images transferred over fail to load in pages too. I'm confused.
[08:01] <Space-Duck> apache2
[09:48] <uwe> hi
[09:48] <truepurple> hi
[10:11] <sattu94> hi
[10:12] <truepurple> Is it easy to switch to a different DE with ubuntu?
[12:44] <sattu94> truepurple: yes.
[12:44] <sattu94> truepurple: it's easy to switch to a different DE in linux as a whole.
[12:44] <sattu94> truepurple: i myself run gnome,kde,enlightenment,xmonad,fvwm2,openbox... xD
[12:45] <sattu94> truepurple: on the same box..
[19:02] <truepurple> My flash player is messed up, perhaps from a update, a problem with residue images when the screen changes, how do I fix it?
[20:51] <truepurple> My flash player is messed up, perhaps from a update, a problem with residue images when the screen changes, can anyone help me fix it?
[21:04] <escott> truepurple, flash is a pretty hard thing to fix as it isnt open source. are the image problems inside the flash image, or might they be artifacts left by the compositor?
[21:08] <truepurple> escott,  I don't know what your asking, but it wasn't always like this, before flash didn't do this. Someone else mentioned there was a issue like this with one of the newer versions of flash
[21:08] <escott> !paste | truepurple send us a screenshot
[21:08] <ubot2> truepurple send us a screenshot: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[21:09] <escott> assuming it shows up in a screenshot
[21:10] <truepurple> I am sure it would
[21:11] <escott> you might be surprised, but go ahead and take one. hit the printscreen button
[21:11] <truepurple> it does
[21:14] <truepurple> escott, http://imagebin.org/186833
[21:15] <truepurple> To fix it, I need to scroll down till the flash window is completely off screen, then back
[21:15] <truepurple> each time this happens
[21:15] <truepurple> which is regularly
[21:15] <escott> truepurple, so that sounds like an xdamage/compositing issue
[21:16] <truepurple> I don't know what that means, but how do I fix it? Remember, it wasn't always like this
[21:16] <escott> truepurple, you could try to disable your compositing (disabling the 3d desktop), but if that doesnt fix it then its likely that the flashplugin is doing something weird which is messing up the damage calculations
[21:16] <truepurple> damage calculations
[21:16] <truepurple> ?
[21:17] <escott> truepurple, what parts of the screen have been "damaged" (changed) and need to be redrawn
[21:17] <truepurple> 3d desktop? I am not using unity, how do I disable composting.
[21:17] <truepurple> oh
[21:17] <truepurple> It doesn't happen outside of flash stuff
[21:18] <escott> truepurple, then its very likely something flash specific. and there is no source available for flash
[21:19] <holstein> yeah, messing with 3d is a good idea though
[21:19] <holstein> and the graphics driver
[21:23] <truepurple> So escott, holstein, what should I try now? To elaborate, this mostly happens after I click a button that causes a change of screen, usually that change of screen mostly doesn't register or something
[21:23] <holstein> if you are using 3d, try without... if you're not, try with
[21:23] <holstein> try a different graphics driver
[21:24] <holstein> try the vesa driver... try from a live CD (one that has flash) maybe latest mint? something with different packages
[21:27] <truepurple> holstein, a vesa graphics driver? I have a radeon 6850 graphics card, getting my driver set up right was hard enough as it was, I don't want to mess with it. And what do you mean with/without 3d, how do I turn any 3d on/off, what 3d anyway?
[21:28] <escott> truepurple, are you running unity?
[21:29] <escott> truepurple, and what version of ubuntu is this
[21:29] <holstein> truepurple: thats also why i suggest something like mint with flash installed 'out of the box' on the live CD... you can try forcing the vea driver live and see without messing with your current setup
[21:30] <truepurple> escott, I told you earlier, I am not running unity, and my version is 11.04
[21:30] <escott> truepurple, is compiz running right now? if not you can just do metacity --replace to disable the compositor
[21:32] <truepurple> escott, sorry, I didn't understand any of that
[21:32] <escott> truepurple, `ps aux | grep compiz` what does it say
[21:33] <holstein> truepurple: when you ask the question 'how to i disable 3d' ^^ thats one way to do it, the suggetion that escott offered... metacity --replace
[21:33] <truepurple> escott, http://pastebin.com/mcfzucaf
[21:36] <escott> truepurple, so you are currently running compiz, and all your windows are being redirected through the compositor. its possible that is the cause of the corruption. if you run metacity --replace your compositor will be disabled, and you will have a 2d desktop, but maybe flash will work better
[21:38] <truepurple> That 2d desktop thing, how will that effect me? Will it effect the running of any 3d games?
[21:39] <escott> truepurple, it shouldn't affect 3d games as 3d will still be available. it just wont be used for drawing the 2d desktop
[21:39] <truepurple> escott, and how do I do what your saying, and is it easily reversible?
[21:39] <escott> truepurple, compiz --replace to turn compiz back on
[21:40] <escott> truepurple, and be sure to put an & at the end metacity --replace &
[21:40] <holstein> it will potentially effect you by making flash more stable
[21:45] <truepurple> escott, "metacity --replace &" ? will the effects be immediate with no reload of anything required?
[21:48] <holstein> truepurple: you can always reboot
[21:48] <escott> truepurple, it will be immediate. there may be some flickering as metacity takes over window management and switches to direct rendering
[21:48] <holstein> you can go to tty via control+alt+F1 and login there and run sudo reboot
[21:51] <truepurple2> escott, holstein ok I ran the command, but no "replace &" at the end, the screen flickered, still had trouble in flash, I went to try the command again, this time with "replace &" at the end, but the terminal was locked up, so I went to close it and load another, but the moment I closed that terminal, my desktop got all messed up
[21:51] <holstein> truepurple: thats information then
[21:51] <truepurple2> All windows lack minimize/maximize/close buttons, and I can't switch to new tasks
[21:52] <holstein> you can try forcing vesa from a live CD
[21:52] <truepurple2> I had to make a new xchat session just to chat with you, since I can not switch to the old one
[21:52] <holstein> truepurple: thats why i suggested familiarizing yourself the the worst case scenario back-up plan
[21:52] <escott> truepurple2, then metacity crashed or something. you can ctrl-alt-f1. export DISPLAY=:0 and try metacity --replace again, or compiz --replace
[21:52] <holstein> control+alt+F1, login, sudo reboot... wait and all is well again
[21:53] <holstein> escott's suggestions are the more proper ways to deal with that issue... sometimes, i just reboot though
[22:00] <truepurple> Yeah rebooting fixed the desktop problem, though I wish you had warned me about ctrl alt f1 sending me to a command prompt
[22:00] <escott> !tty | truepurple
[22:00] <ubot2> truepurple: To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).  To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution.
[22:00] <truepurple> It's weird, it shows everyone repeating what they said twice in the last bit of my IRC clients history
[22:01] <escott> truepurple, because you had two xchats logging to your history
[22:01] <truepurple> ah
[22:01] <truepurple> so which version am I running now, 3d or not?
[22:02] <escott> truepurple, probably the 3d version again. check with ps aux | grep compiz, and see if there is a compiz process running. you can try again to start metacity, and try and figure out why it crashed
[22:02] <holstein> 16:32 < escott> truepurple, `ps aux | grep compiz` what does it say
[22:03] <truepurple> a        22294  0.5  0.4<PHONE_NUMBER>6 ?        Sl   15:57   0:01 /usr/bin/compiz, means its 3d again?
[22:03] <escott> truepurple, yes.
[22:04] <truepurple> escott, "metacity --replace &"
[22:04] <truepurple> ?
[22:04] <escott> truepurple, you could get a bit fancy and do "metacity --replace & sleep 10 & compiz --replace &" which should start metacity, wait 10 seconds, and then start compiz. hopefully you can scroll backwards and figure out why metacity crashed
[22:05] <escott> truepurple, or you could start metacity, let it crash, jump to tty1, export DISPLAY=:0, and do compiz --replace
[22:06] <escott> truepurple, sorry that should be "metacity --replace & sleep 10 && compiz --replace"
[22:06] <truepurple> escott, but there is a new issue, graphics in my flash game are appearing absurdly slow, if at alll
[22:07] <truepurple> Ok, they eventually appear if you wait long enough
[22:07] <escott> truepurple, sounds like a flash issue
[22:08] <escott> truepurple, when you scroll up and down, you trigger what are called "expose" events meaning that the part of the window should now be refreshed. with the way compiz works the window is always drawn to memory, and compiz interrupts some expose events and handles them itself, with metacity all expose events are sent back to the application
[22:09] <escott> truepurple, so you can diagnose compiz issues by taking a window from a different application and dragging it over the corrupted area. if you xchat window "wipes" away the corruption, then its more likely a compiz issue than a metacity issue
[22:09] <truepurple> that was before I inputed your command though
[22:10] <escott> if the corruption can only be fixed by scrolling up and down in mozilla then its more likely a flash issue
[22:14] <truepurple> hmm, it doesn't seem to do the corruption any more now
[22:16] <truepurple> no, its still there
[22:17] <holstein> i would still like to see no 3d with the vesa driver
[22:17] <escott> truepurple, so drag your xchat window over it. does the corruption wipe away?
[22:18] <truepurple> escott, does alt tabing between aps produce the same effect?
[22:18] <escott> truepurple, im not sure. probably
[22:19] <truepurple> No, moving another window over it does not fix the problem
[22:19] <escott> truepurple, i suspect the problem is with the flash plugin then
[22:19] <truepurple> but moving to another tab and back does
[22:20] <escott> truepurple, interesting. hard to say, as i dont know if compiz is sending window expose events or not on an alt-tab
[22:20] <truepurple> escott, I rather suspected so from the beginning since someone told me that this was a problem with one of the newer versions of flash and how it just appeared out of nowhere (probably auto-update causing trouble in the background), so how do I fix it?
[22:20] <escott> !pinning
[22:20] <ubot2> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[22:21] <escott> truepurple, you could pin to an older version of flash if it worked
[22:22] <truepurple> "so you should probably not do this on an Ubuntu system", I don't understand that part
[22:24] <truepurple> I am also struggling greatly to understand these instructions. Is there any risk involved with such instructions? Any possibility I could screw something up trying to follow these instructions but make a mistake?
[22:25] <holstein> truepurple: you can also try other browsers... opera, chrome (chromium), midori
[22:30] <truepurple> escott,
[22:30] <escott> truepurple, if you pin you are saying. i knw better than ubuntu what works, and dont update my system in the future. and if you forget then at some point in the future if this bug is fixed you are stuck with an old out of date buggy version
[22:33] <truepurple> escott, yes, but how do I do it? and is it hard to undo? Also, do the upgrade/update commands cover flashplayer? Perhaps a new version that upgrades out of the issue is in order
[22:36] <escott> truepurple, its not something you should do if you dont understand those instructions.
[22:37] <truepurple> escott, well then, please answer my question about upgrade/update and flash player
[22:38] <escott> truepurple, if you installed flash through apt then you have the most recent version that has been released for your distribution
[22:41] <truepurple> escott, You mean because it checks for flash updates every time I turn on my PC? I don't remember how I installed, is there a way to check?
[22:42] <escott> truepurple, no every time you update your system
[22:43] <escott> truepurple, and you can check if you installed flash by opening synaptic and search for flash
[22:45] <truepurple> escott, you mean through the update/upgrade commands?
[22:46] <truepurple> escott, If I installed it through apt, it will or it won't be listed in synaptic?
[22:47] <escott> truepurple, it will be listed in synaptic as installed if you installed it through apt-get
[22:48] <truepurple> escott, but it won't be if I installed it through the software center?
[22:48] <escott> truepurple, no software center = apt = synaptic all are acceptable ways to install the software
[22:49] <escott> truepurple, if you installed it through software center then everything is fine
[22:49] <truepurple> What other ways could I have installed it that wouldn't list in synaptic?
[22:49] <escott> truepurple, you might have downloaded a file from the adobe website
[22:50] <truepurple> flash version <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:50] <truepurple> So that would be what is known as compiling?
[22:51] <escott> truepurple, no compiling is when you download source code and the make an executable for it. flash has no source code that is available which is part of the problem
[22:52] <truepurple> So how would I install from downloading from adobe then?
[22:53] <escott> truepurple, im not going to tell you how to do that because it makes more trouble for the rest of us when you come back and say your flash is broken and you installed it by downloading something from adobe.com
[22:54] <holstein> truepurple: how did the opera browser work?
[22:57] <truepurple> I thought I did have opera installed, but I don't, I do have midori installed, so far no artifact trouble, but I have had stability problems and flash problems with midori before
[22:58] <truepurple> escott, I am not asking to do so, I am asking so I understand how it all works better, so please don't worry about such things and tell me
[22:59] <holstein> truepurple: the package you get will have a readme
[22:59] <holstein> it will cause more issues than it solves though
[23:00] <truepurple> Again, I don't plan to do so, which means I don't have a download file to view a readme, might you please summarize what kind of things it would tell you to do?
[23:00] <escott> truepurple, if you want further help from me drop this approach
[23:01] <holstein> it really depends on the package, but there are usually well documented readme files that give information on what you want
[23:01] <truepurple> Like what kind of things, command lines to input I assume?
[23:01] <holstein> truepurple: the dependancies
[23:01] <holstein> dependencies*
[23:02] <holstein> literally whatever the package needs, and how to build/install it
[23:02] <holstein> its not going to be trivial, and at the end, you end up with something hard to revert from, and probably not fixing anything, and potentially making matters worse
[23:03] <truepurple> Ok
[23:03] <holstein> you can also try that on a live CD potentially
[23:03] <truepurple> So anyway, do the upgrade/update commands make me have the latest flash version then? Or will it be more automatic then that?
[23:03] <holstein> truepurple: you can search in whatever package manager you like to use for flash like escott suggests
[23:04] <holstein> you can upgrade just that one package if you want
[23:05] <truepurple> I mean, does flash upgrade automatically every day if new versions are available with everything else? Is that how ubuntu works?
[23:05] <holstein> ?
[23:05] <holstein> truepurple: flash does what you tell it to do
[23:06] <holstein> if you have, and run upgrades, it upgrades, assuming an upgrade is available... just like the other packages
[23:07] <truepurple> If I have upgradees? What do you mean?
[23:08] <holstein> truepurple: if upgrades are available, and if you are running them
[23:09] <truepurple> How do you 'run upgrades'?
[23:09] <holstein> i personally have auto-upgrades and upgrade mangers turned off
[23:09] <holstein> truepurple: however you run them
[23:09] <holstein> sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:09] <holstein> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[23:09] <holstein> in synaptic
[23:10] <holstein> in the upgrade manager
[23:10] <holstein> in the software center
[23:11] <truepurple> But does it install upgrades to things like flash player automatically daily, or what?
[23:11] <holstein> truepurple: ?
[23:11] <holstein> if you have it set up that way, and assuming daily upgrades to flash came in, which they do not
[23:11] <truepurple> Does ubuntu, install upgrades by itself without any command and does it do so for flash
[23:12] <holstein> ubuntu does what you have set it up to do
[23:12] <truepurple> Well yes, I specified, "if a upgrade is available" before
[23:12] <truepurple> What is the default?
[23:13] <holstein> truepurple: you get a popup about updates being available
[23:14] <truepurple> ah, so if it is set to check for updates daily, it will tell you about the updates? and get confirmation whether you want to install them too?
[23:15] <holstein> truepurple: it will literally say updates are available
[23:15] <holstein> or, thats how it used to be... im not using unity in 11.10
[23:15] <holstein> AFAIK, how you proceed from there is up to you
[23:16] <holstein> i think its safe to assume that a way to apply the updates you are promted about being availalbe will be obvious
[23:16] <truepurple> So where is this update manager in synaptic?
[23:17] <holstein> truepurple: its a package manager.. so you can go to a package, such as flash, after you search for it, like escott suggested, and then you can right click and update it, assuming updates are available
[23:18] <holstein> you can hit 'reload' at the top... thats kind of like running sudo apt-get update
[23:18] <holstein> that updates the list of available packages
[23:22] <truepurple> then how do I do the upgrade?
[23:22] <holstein> truepurple: this is what i do...
[23:22] <truepurple> Oh I see
[23:22] <holstein> i open a terminal
[23:22] <holstein> i run...
[23:22] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[23:22] <holstein> ^^ that upgrades the list of available packages
[23:22] <truepurple> refreshing in synaptic is exactly the same thing?
[23:22] <holstein> then i run
[23:23] <holstein> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[23:23] <holstein> ^^ that upgrades all the packages that are available to be upgraded
[23:24] <holstein> you can do that in *whatever* package manager you choose
[23:30] <truepurple>  refreshing in synaptic is exactly the same thing as sudo apt-get update? And why the word safe in that command?
[23:31] <holstein> truepurple: safe is part of the command name.. you can run sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:31] <holstein> if the word "safe" scares you somehow
[23:32] <holstein> truepurple: clicking 'reload' in synaptic has a similar effect as sudo apt-get update
[23:38] <truepurple> If I can run it without the word safe in there, why use it?
[23:40] <holstein> truepurple: im just showing you what i do
[23:40] <truepurple> Why do you use the word safe if its unneeded and doesn't do anything?
[23:41] <holstein> feel free to search for documentation about aptitude and decide what you want to use
[23:42] <holstein> truepurple: i read somewhere about the benifits of aptitude, and in that tute the safe-upgrade command was used
[23:42] <holstein> so, ive been using that ever since
[23:42] <holstein> truepurple: feel free to stick to the GUI
[23:49] <truepurple> holstein, what does aptitude have to do with the safe command?


[01:51] <fernandox64> No questions...
[03:25] <lsemple_> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&sa=1&q=obama+joker&btnG=Search+images&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&start=0
[03:25] <lsemple_> weird
[04:26] <MTec007> im trying to find a package that contains most of the following, apache php mysql
[04:28] <th0r> MTec007: check into a LAMP server
[04:28] <MTec007> ok
[04:28] <MTec007> i could get the packages individually but i just need a dev server so i can (try) to help with drupal 7 dev
[04:29] <MTec007> nothing fancy needed lol
[04:29] <MTec007> but, ty, th0r
[04:29] <MTec007> lamp isnt in the apt rep?
[04:29] <th0r> MTec007: I believe there is a LAMP package,or live cd. LAMP stands for linux, apache, mysql, php (or perl)
[04:30] <MTec007> ok
[04:30] <th0r> !lamp
[04:30] <th0r> there you go
[04:30] <MTec007> thank you
[04:36] <xubuntuNoob1> Hello all.
[05:49] <ball> Right, that's it.  I'm getting the Xubuntu box out.
[06:01]  * ball bravely attempts a Jaunty upgrade
[06:18] <ball> hello tdn
[06:47] <ochosi> anyone here who runs karmic?
[06:49] <ball> hello ochosi
[06:49] <ball> brb
[06:49] <ochosi> hey there, ball
[06:49] <ochosi> well, i have an issue with grub2
[06:49] <ochosi> i simply wanted to change the default os from my karmic installation to jaunty
[06:50] <ochosi> afaik i need to edit /etc/default/grub for that
[06:50] <ochosi> but it doesn't make any difference
[09:49] <yesitisjustme> i got a usb to ide adapter but dvdrom only gets detected when a OS is present. Is it possible for usb to ide dvdrom to be detected without a OS like a regular dvdrom?
[09:51] <ablomen> yesitisjustme, you want to boot from it? if so you have to check your bios settings, change the boot order so "removable devices [or if its a newer pc, it might detect the cdrom drive itself]" is first
[09:54] <yesitisjustme> ya i want to boot from iit
[09:54] <yesitisjustme> it
[09:54] <yesitisjustme> it has 4 boot options i see
[09:55] <yesitisjustme> harddrive, cd/dvd-rom, floppy drive, network boot
[09:56] <yesitisjustme> don't see removable devices
[09:56] <ablomen> hmm, i think your pc doesnt support usb booting (but you can try settings cd/dvd-rom as first boot priority)
[09:57] <ablomen> i guess you would have to make a boot floppy then, that loads drivers to recognise the cd, otherwise just connect the drive to an actual ide port
[10:02] <yesitisjustme> cd/dvd rom setting didn't work
[10:02] <yesitisjustme> so like a 98se bootdisk
[10:03] <yesitisjustme> k
[10:04] <ablomen> ehm
[10:04] <ablomen> well depends on what you want to boot
[10:05] <ablomen> if you want to boot a windows cd, sure, but i guess your in the wrong channel then ;) otherwise i guess you'd need a linux boot disk
[10:08] <yesitisjustme> k
[13:54] <micr0x> Does xubuntu fix the intel sound chips problem?
[13:55] <Darth_Tux> micr0x, what problem, i have intel
[13:56] <micr0x> I haven't actually tried xubuntu before, but tried ubuntu, kubuntu and several other linux distroes, and I can't get my intel audio chip working.
[13:57] <Darth_Tux> micr0x, i would think if it didnt work in ubuntu it would not work in Xubuntu either
[13:57] <Darth_Tux> have you googled to see what the problem might be?
[13:59] <micr0x> yep, I dd alot of googling, didn't have much luck
[14:00] <Darth_Tux> that happens
[14:00] <Darth_Tux> what chipset is it?
[14:00] <micr0x> I'm downloading it now, i'll see how far it can go..
[14:00] <micr0x> It's an HP dv6 1105ee labtop
[14:01] <micr0x> I wouldn't advice anybody to get that series. I had enough trouble from it already with both linux and windows.
[14:01] <Darth_Tux> i have a dv6000
[14:03] <micr0x> ohh
[14:03] <micr0x> with an ATI?
[14:03] <Darth_Tux> ATI?
[14:04] <Darth_Tux> sorry, it is early here
[14:04] <micr0x> video card
[14:04] <Darth_Tux> early for me anyhow
[14:04] <Darth_Tux> i dont believe so
[14:04] <micr0x> np :)
[14:04] <micr0x> I see
[14:05] <Darth_Tux> i am also not running xubuntu atm, shhhh dont tell
[14:07] <micr0x> lol
[14:11] <Darth_Tux> I am using Debian, seems to work ok
[14:45] <zhxk`> hello, how to specify ip gate dns respectivly and keep settings permanently?
[15:32] <SilentWarrior> how do i update the clock ? the hour isnt correct
[15:35] <micr0x> Tried clicking on it SilentWarrior
[15:35] <SilentWarrior> yup, nothing happens
[15:36] <SilentWarrior> on right click i have several options...to change display etc, but not to actually change the time
[15:36] <SilentWarrior> its funny tho xd
[15:36] <micr0x> check your settings then
[15:37] <th0r> SilentWarrior: Settings - Time and Date
[15:37] <SilentWarrior> th0r, its updated, its 15 GMT, but the little clock at top didnt change
[15:39] <th0r> SilentWarrior: you mean the clock applet in the panel?
[15:39] <SilentWarrior> yeah
[15:39] <SilentWarrior> maybe it will update when i start session again
[15:39] <SilentWarrior> like restart session?
[15:40] <th0r> I would expect it to change within 60 seconds when the time is updated. You using the analog clock or the date/time applet?
[15:40] <SilentWarrior> just says Clock, its the standard one, that ships with xubuntu
[15:41] <SilentWarrior> anyways, i came here to ask something else, and in the meantime i forgot xD so here it is:
[15:41] <th0r> SilentWarrior: yeah....the analog clock. Make sure the timezone is set properly in Time and Date
[15:42] <SilentWarrior> i have a bunch of files that were shared using dropbox, and now i cant access them because they arent owned by me, can only access with sudo, is there a way to make them accessible to everyone so that i dont have to change permitions each time i wanna use them?
[15:42] <ball> chmod
[15:42] <ball> ...though that's to be used with care
[15:43] <ball> hello web_knows
[15:44] <SilentWarrior> ball, too late xD
[15:44] <ball> SilentWarrior: :-)
[15:44] <SilentWarrior> ball, i did a chmod 777 mydir/ -R
[15:44] <SilentWarrior> is that bad ? xD
[15:44] <ball> Yes
[15:44] <SilentWarrior> it is !
[15:44] <SilentWarrior> damn
[15:45] <SilentWarrior> files are mostly .rb (ruby) so, dont think its much of a problem
[15:45] <micr0x> SilentWarrior: 700 is always good unless you have a reason to share them.
[15:46] <ball> If you want people to be able to run them without the need for people to edit them, try chmod 755 cabbage.rub
[15:46] <ball> micr0x: agreed
[15:47] <SilentWarrior> 777 means executable to everyone right? cant remember
[15:47] <ball> (for executables)
[15:47] <ball> 777 means that anyone can execute, edit or erase them
[15:47] <cody-somerville> 777 is read write executable for everyone
[15:47] <ball> Is that really what you want?
[15:48] <SilentWarrior> ball, yeh, i mean, i am a single user for this machines
[15:48] <SilentWarrior> these*
[15:48] <cody-somerville> Doesn't matter
[15:48] <ball> SilentWarrior: 755 is still safer
[15:48] <SilentWarrior> and its a dev environment, not production
[15:48] <ball> 777 invites disaster
[15:48] <cody-somerville> Not to mention 777 will make everything bright green in the terminal
[15:48] <SilentWarrior> 755 is for what exactly?
[15:49] <ball> SilentWarrior: it means the owner can edit them, but everyone can read and execute them
[15:49] <ball> (do you know octal?)
[15:50] <SilentWarrior> nop xD i only know that 777 is to make them accessible ... i am a windows nub
[15:50] <SilentWarrior> i learn it at school, but cant rly remember, its for user-group-root
[15:50] <SilentWarrior> right?
[15:50] <ball> In decimal we can count up to 9 before we have to carry to the tens column.  In octal we can count up to 7, but then we have to carry.  0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12 and so on.
[15:51] <ball> The reason it comes into play here is that permissions are done in groups of three bit
[15:51] <ball> s
[15:52] <ball> You'll sometimes see rwx written down, where r=1 means you can read the file, w=1 means you can write to it and x=1 means you can execute it
[15:52] <SilentWarrior> in 745 it means full rights to user... 4 rights to group and 5 rights to admin?
[15:52] <ball> (in the case of a directory, x=1 means you can get inside)
[15:52] <ball> SilentWarrior: no
[15:52] <ball> So for each file, there are three sets of those three bits
[15:52] <ball> rwxrwxrwx
[15:53] <SilentWarrior> yup
[15:53] <ball> the first three apply to the file's owner
[15:53] <ball> ...so a 7 there means 111 in binary, which means you can do all three files.
[15:53] <ball> the next three apply to people in the file's group
[15:54] <ball> ...so a 5 in there means that if you belong to the file's group, you can read it and execute it but not write to it
[15:54] <ball> (5 is 101 in binary)
[15:54] <ball> the third set of bits applies to everyone else
[15:55] <ball> So you might see a file that's 750, meaning the owner can do anything to it, people in the right group can read and execute it, everyone else can't read, write to or execute it.
[15:55] <SilentWarrior> oh, i am starting to remember, the math for it, i had that at school, but just really quick, like 5 minutes or so, in several years of school
[15:55] <ball> So for document files that are just for you, mode 600 is appropriate
[15:55] <ball> that means you can read and write them, but nobody else can
[15:56] <SilentWarrior> in windows we pretty much dont have that, so ... i end up forgetting
[15:56] <ball> You can't execute them but they're document files, so that doesn't matter.
[15:56] <ball> 6 is 110 in binary
[15:56] <ball> If you've got a document that you want to edit, but you want others to be able to read, 644 is appropriate.
[15:57] <ball> 6 = 110 = read & write, but not execute
[15:57] <ball> 4 = 100 = read, but not execute
[15:57] <ball> ...or write
[15:57] <ball> Does that make sense?
[15:58] <SilentWarrior> yup
[15:58] <ball> I've used a 622 file before, though that's unusual
[15:59] <ball> 6 = 110 = I can read, write and execute
[15:59] <ball> 2 = 010 = Other's can't read, but they can write to it. Can't execute
[15:59] <SilentWarrior> like append to it?
[15:59] <ball> I used it with a Web form, that wrote to the file, but people couldn't pull data out of the database.
[15:59] <SilentWarrior> append is read+write isnt it?
[15:59] <ball> Yes, exactly
[16:00] <ball> SilentWarrior: append shouldn't depend on the ability to read a file, but perhaps that depends on the software tools you're using.
[16:00] <ball> The OS certainly doesn't object to appending to a write-only file
[16:02] <SilentWarrior> ball, yeah, because then it wouldnt make much sence
[16:03]  * ball nods
[16:04] <ball> hello evilbug
[16:07] <SilentWarrior> ball, i like how stuff works on linux ... i wish i wasnt tied to windows for most stuff
[16:07] <ball> SilentWarrior: give it time.
[16:07] <ball> The file permissions stem from the fact that unix and Linux are multiuser operating systems
[16:08] <ball> ...so it's helpful to keep people out of each others files, while providing them a way to share files where appropriate.
[16:12] <SilentWarrior> yeh, but its not only that... i like how i can use the same system on my 10yr old laptop, and on my cutting edge desktop while keeping all functionality i need, by simply changing the front end manager
[16:13] <SilentWarrior> like xubuntu... to gnome buntu to kde buntu xD
[16:14] <ball> There's probably nothing stopping you from running Xubuntu on modern, fast PCs
[16:14] <SilentWarrior> or even... the console, in windows i dont have a "real" console
[16:14] <SilentWarrior> i am actually running xubuntu on my desktop right now as i speak to u
[16:14] <SilentWarrior> because i found a very nice theme, darkish that is good on my eyes
[16:15] <SilentWarrior> ball, apt-get is a god send, even on the "next" + "next" +"next" windows world
[16:17] <ball> I have to go
[16:55] <MTec007> i need to modify the freedos ISO, i need to add a dos exe, so i can run a BIOS flash program at boot time. what folder would i need to put the exe file in in order for me to be able to access it?
[16:55] <MTec007> i already wasted one cd by putting it in the root of the cd
[17:14] <MTec007> any one have any ideas
[17:15] <micr0x> MTec007: /topic!!
[17:16] <MTec007> ?
[17:17] <micr0x> What OS are you using?
[17:18] <MTec007> im using xubuntu
[17:18] <micr0x> So why do you wanna flash the bios?
[17:18] <MTec007> because i need a new one. why does my reasoning matter?
[17:20] <MTec007> if you cant/wont help thats fine.
[17:21] <micr0x> I don't understand what you're trying to do here. What does freedos has to do with your bois?
[17:21] <micr0x> bios*
[17:23] <micr0x> You can reset the bios easily though.
[17:25] <MTec007> i need dos at boot time, in order to run a program to flash my bios with a new version ofmy bios.
[17:25] <MTec007> but i need to put the program on the freedos cd so i can access the program with freedos at boot time
[17:26] <MTec007> resetting my bios will not upgrade it
[17:31] <micr0x> Ok, there are several guides for that. Try googling. Also you can use miniPE liveCD and access your flushing.exe app from rlinux that comes on the cd.
[17:47] <Araneidae> Anybody here understand how xfce stores its state?  I am unable to stop it restoring some randomly chosen desktop configuration when I log on!
[18:28] <Demon|King> hello is anyone alive that can help me out plz?
[18:30] <Ragamufin> i am alive, help? we'll see
[18:33] <Demon|King> o kool
[18:33] <Demon|King> u still there?
[18:34] <Ragamufin> uhhuh
[18:35] <Demon|King> ok i am tring to put the xubuntu on my old imac g3 and i get the black screen which i fixed with the ctrl+alt+f1 but i could only do that with the live desktop cd
[18:36] <Demon|King> how can i do that with the install cd?
[18:36] <Demon|King> btw is there a way i can config the xorh.conf before i burn to a cd?
[18:36] <Demon|King> xorg.conf*
[18:37] <Ragamufin> is there a mac version of xubuntu?
[18:37] <Demon|King> ya the powerpc version
[18:38] <Ragamufin> i am in no way an expert on ppp
[18:38] <Ragamufin> ppc i meant
[18:38] <Demon|King> o
[18:38] <Demon|King> do u know isf there is away to edit a file before i burn to a cd?
[18:39] <Ragamufin> i don not, i am not much help, huh
[18:40] <Demon|King> its ok
[18:40] <Demon|King> i got it to work with the live cd so i know it works and that makes me feel alittle beter lol
[18:40] <Demon|King> better*
[18:41] <Ragamufin> is there an install from the live cd?
[18:42] <Demon|King> i didnt see it
[18:42] <Demon|King> it just loaded
[18:42] <Demon|King> there should be i think
[18:42] <Ragamufin> hopefully
[18:43] <Demon|King> lol i see it
[18:43] <Demon|King> its right in front of my face lmao
[18:46] <Ragamufin> cool, i am great at this
[18:55] <ball> Is there some way to make Xubuntu remember my choice of screen mode?  I have to reset it every time I boot.
[19:14] <rgnr> any1 has fmodex64 4.24.16
[19:15] <rgnr> ?
[19:45] <cmwalker> ok, lets see. i have 2 xubuntus, one with internet, and one without. the one without needs a system update badly. how can i update it without connecting to the internet?
[19:50] <ball> The one that doesn't have Internet, is it connected to a local area network at all?
[19:52] <cmwalker> nope, legally it cannot connect to the internet while ubuntu is installed.
[19:53] <ball> The Internet is not a LAN
[19:54] <cmwalker> ball: but its not connected to a LAN either
[19:55] <ball> I hear that it's possible to set up a local repository, with local copies of packages and perhaps updates.
[19:55] <ball> If you have a separate machine that you can connect to the Internet, synch its repository, then disconnect from the Internet and connect to your island box, then perhaps you could update from the local repository.
[19:58] <cmwalker_> ball: i did not understand a word you just said
[19:58] <ball> cmwalker_: Never mind then.
[19:59] <cmwalker_> ball: so can you help?
[19:59] <ball> No.
[19:59] <cmwalker_> great.
[20:33] <slow-motion> hi
[20:40] <crazygir> i have an application that goes fullscreen and covers the taskbar, but grabs the keyboard's focus so switching desktops isn't possible.. any suggestions/workarounds?
[20:42] <forces> ctrl + alt + -->
[20:42] <forces> switch desktop
[20:42] <forces> or alt + click, to move the window
[20:46] <crazygir> forces: xfce doesn't have focus on the keyboard
[20:46] <crazygir> the app is rdp
[20:47] <crazygir> forces: and this isn't a window.. it's fullscreened
[20:47] <forces> virtualbox?
[20:58] <pteague> is there a way to get the non-xfce apps to have the same font size as xfce?  i.e. fonts in kde apps & openoffice are almost twice the size as fonts in xfce terminal, xfce panels, orage, xchat, & firefox & yet they both have a "font size" of 9
[21:00] <ball> Is Xubuntu Jaunty known to have problems with USB mass storage / iPods?
[21:16] <pteague_work> heh, friend of mine sent me a link to http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32393717/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/ - You must obey: Unwritten laws of technology - & people wonder why i use linux...
[21:46] <yelloowfire> Damn, my Xubuntu don't want to use monitor sesolution 1024x768, someone know how to solve this little thing?
[21:47] <forces> doesn't*, resolution*
[21:47] <yelloowfire> Ops
[21:48] <forces> which video card do you have?
[22:44] <benchik> hello
[22:44] <benchik> are there screenlets that work under xfce?
[22:56] <Pupuser402> hello all... just looking for some support. Is this the right place?
[23:01] <forces> xubuntu support
[23:14] <slow-motion> n8
[23:15] <Pupuser402> mmm... anyone could help?
[23:15] <Pupuser402> heeelp!
[23:15] <Pupuser402> :)


[04:59] <_mup_> Bug #928624 was filed: cached unit public addresses are problematic when public ip address changes <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/928624 >
[05:58] <Ruetobas> hi, how do i "de bootstrap" juju ?
[05:59] <Ruetobas> or, how do i tell juju that new systems are available for it to use ?
[06:50] <ejat> SpamapS:  how to expose the services .. already run juju expose services .. the web services not appear in browser http://paste.ubuntu.com/833602/
[06:58] <ejat> or can someone help me with that ?
[13:22] <jorge> Hi all! I need some help with two issues. I'm trying to use juju charms. I would like to use hadoop-master and hadoop-slave formulas from https://code.launchpad.net/~charmers/. Apparently all is working fine with juju because I can use the mysql and mediawiki charms normally. But, with the hadoop charms the problem is that the service stops at some point.
[13:22] <jorge> So, I've tried https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/write-charm.html#debugging-hooks to debug. I could connect to instance and run the install script from charm manually. When I run the script manually at the instance, I get no error! But with juju deploy I get some errors.
[13:22] <jorge> Are there some test to do?
[15:07]  * hazmat yawns
[16:16] <koolhead17> hi all
[16:35] <gary_poster> SpamapS, hazmat, hi.  two questions about units.  (1) if you are talking to a unit, is there a way to identify that other unit uniquely? (2) Can you have different units with different configuration?  I'm guessing no, but that's kinda limiting.
[16:36] <gary_poster> For question 1, I'm interested particularly in relation-changed and relation-joined
[16:39] <SpamapS> gary_poster: I don't understand question 1 , but for question 2, that would violate the point of juju.. two separate configurations of a service are two separate services.
[16:41] <hazmat> gary_poster, 1) the unit is passed to hooks 2) the units can coordinate among themselves if they need different state (a leader vs slave), but they share the same service configuration,
[16:41] <SpamapS> gary_poster: can you perhaps provide a more concrete example of what it is you want to do?
[16:43] <gary_poster> SpamapS, for 2, ok, let's step back to use case then.  for the case of a build slave connecting to a build master, you will want to have multiple build slaves each running different tests.  Having different charms for each kind of test config that might run would be annoying--not very lightweight for something that should be lightweight
[16:44] <gary_poster> hazmat, so for 1, does unit-get refer to the one on the other side?  It seemed like it was talking about itself.  If not unit-get, how do we get that unit?
[16:45] <SpamapS> gary_poster: right, so each build slave is then its own instantiation of each charm as service1, service2, with different config settings.
[16:45] <SpamapS> gary_poster: so you'd juju deploy build-slave slave-config1 --config config1.yaml
[16:45] <SpamapS> gary_poster: so you'd juju deploy build-slave slave-config2 --config config2.yaml
[16:46] <gary_poster> SpamapS, ah!  ok.  perfect thanks
[16:46] <SpamapS> gary_poster: note that the master needs to be smart about relationships with > 1 service. Some charms don't do that (like haproxy)
[16:46] <hazmat> 1) the local unit id is available as an environment variable ($JUJU_UNIT_NAME) to all hooks, and unit-get refers to information about the local unit
[16:47] <gary_poster> SpamapS, can you point us to a master that is smart about that kind of multi-relation?
[16:47] <hazmat> the remote unit that triggered a local hook execution is available in the env as JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT
[16:47] <gary_poster> I mean, a charm
[16:48] <gary_poster> hazmat, got it, https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charm.html#hook-environment thanks & sorry for not seeing it
[16:48] <hazmat> gary_poster, np
[16:50] <hazmat> i've been playing with this same topic (build slaves), i ended up having the slaves register with the master with an identity and local env information, and have the master divy out work appropriately to different queues (distro release, arch, etc) which the categorized slaves listen to.. but thats all application level
[16:50]  * hazmat  goes back to reviews
[16:50] <gary_poster> SpamapS, am I right that in your deploy example you would set up a relation between the master and slave-config1, right?
[16:52] <SpamapS> gary_poster: mysql is very smart about that
[16:52] <SpamapS> gary_poster: it creates a database based on the related service name.
[16:53] <gary_poster> hazmat, yeah, that's cool.  We need to have a custom environment in some cases, so being able to control that at a service level is nice.  Otherwise when the work is divvied out, all of a sudden you have a lot of environment prep work that needs to be done.  having it done once would be good.
[16:53] <SpamapS> hazmat: please.. tell me you didn't rewrite jenkins
[16:53] <SpamapS> in scala
[16:53] <SpamapS> blindfolded
[16:53] <SpamapS> ;)
[16:53] <hazmat> SpamapS, of course not ;-) i used go
[16:53] <gary_poster> heh
[16:53] <hazmat> although i was tempted by clojure
[16:53]  * SpamapS knows hazmat is a code ninja
[16:54] <gary_poster> yay clojure!
[16:55] <gary_poster> SpamapS, awesome, thanks, will look.  FWIW, we do have one small bug we think we have encountered: setting a relation value on a master and then retrieving that relation's value on the next relation-changed on the master fails to get the value we just set.
[16:55] <gary_poster> I'll file a bug.
[16:56] <gary_poster> coming up with a small charm to dupe may take a bit.
[16:57] <SpamapS> gary_poster: relation-get does not fetch the values you just set
[16:57] <SpamapS> gary_poster: relation-set exposes it to the other side of the relation.
[16:57] <gary_poster> Not even in (immediately) subsequent hook
[16:57] <gary_poster> ?
[16:57] <SpamapS> gary_poster: and it is not flushed and exposed to the other side of the relation until the hook that called relation-set exits
[16:58] <gary_poster> transactional-ish--I had figured, yes
[16:59] <SpamapS> gary_poster: so if you are seeing that changed is executed on the other side of a relation without the values you just relation-set .. its possible something else caused changed to be executed
[16:59] <SpamapS> gary_poster: changed is *always* executed once... and you have to write changd hooks tolerant of not having any values yet
[17:01] <gary_poster> SpamapS, here's scenario: service 1 sets relation value in relation with service 2; service 2 gets value and does other stuff, including changing the relation again; service 1 is therefore re-called with a relation-changed, and wants to see if it has already told service 2 that value, so it checks with relation-get.  IIUC, that last usage is unsupported?
[17:02] <gary_poster> (in the last step, if we have not told service 2 a value, we generate a new one)
[17:02] <gary_poster> (which is why juju doesn't save us from ourselves)
[17:03] <SpamapS> gary_poster: ah, I see the confusion
[17:04] <SpamapS> gary_poster: there are *two* buckets of values there
[17:04] <SpamapS> gary_poster: service1/0 has values, and service2/0 has values
[17:05] <gary_poster> ah, and the twain don't meet
[17:05] <SpamapS> gary_poster: Because relation-get and relation-set are context sensitive, you can't look at your own values.
[17:05] <gary_poster> SpamapS, gotcha.  Thank you
[17:06] <SpamapS> gary_poster: if you need to avoid repeating an action, keep track of state locally. If you're worried about endless loops of changed hooks with the same values.. you don't have to. Hooks are only fired when the values actually change.
[17:07] <gary_poster> SpamapS, yeah, we'll do it locally thanks.  We were changing (generating) the values, which is why we had a problem
[17:52] <SpamapS> !jenkins
[17:52] <juju-jenkins> SpamapS did you mean me? Unknown command ''
[17:52] <juju-jenkins> Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
[18:12] <SpamapS> hazmat: figured out the problem with the jenkins test failing
[18:12] <SpamapS> hazmat: juju can't run its tests from a tree with any spaces in it
[18:12] <SpamapS> [pid   446] execve("/var/lib/jenkins/jobs/juju", ["/var/lib/jenkins/jobs/juju", "tests/workspace/bin/unit-get", "private-address"], [/* 9 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[18:15] <SpamapS> koolhead17: go to sleep!
[18:16] <koolhead17> SpamapS: i can once done with the tiny piece :)
[18:30] <_mup_> Bug #929030 was filed: Test suite fails when run from within a directory with spaces in its name <juju:In Progress by clint-fewbar> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/929030 >
[18:41] <gary_poster> OK here's something odd
[18:42] <gary_poster> in relation-joined on slave we set a value in the relation
[18:42] <gary_poster> and that never gets in the log of the master
[18:43] <SpamapS> gary_poster: no guarantees it won't be set by then
[18:43] <SpamapS> oh wait
[18:43] <SpamapS> I read that wrong
[18:44] <SpamapS> gary_poster: are you sure the changed hook didn't execute again on the master?
[18:47] <gary_poster> SpamapS, it executed twice...ah nm.  We were called but made an error, and expected to see the value in the master logs.  our error, sorry.
[18:49] <SpamapS> gary_poster: its ok.. the juju dance can be a bit dizzying at first.. :)
[18:49] <gary_poster> :-)
[19:07] <hazmat> SpamapS, huh?
[19:07] <hazmat> that's seriously odd
[19:07] <hazmat> and worth a bug
[19:11] <SpamapS> hazmat: ^^ 929030
[19:12] <SpamapS> hazmat: I'm now tumbling down the twisted spawnProcess rabbit hole to see if it is doing something stupid with the PATH
[19:17] <SpamapS> hazmat: you showed me once how to run the test suite under pdb
[19:22]  * koolhead17 whistling juju juju loudly !!
[19:22] <hazmat> SpamapS, ./test -b
[19:23] <hazmat> SpamapS, you have to target a particular test, it catches on all errors (even caught ones)
[19:23] <SpamapS> yeah thats cool
[19:23] <hazmat> SpamapS, alternatively just adding import pdb; pdb.set_trace() anywhere
[19:23] <SpamapS> oh, that sounds better
[19:23] <hazmat> but if you hit a yield the stack is gone
[19:24] <hazmat> so you want it as close to the point of inspection as possible
[19:24] <SpamapS> hazmat: I think its actually create_hook's fault.. its creating a shell script but not escaping the spaces
[19:25] <SpamapS> ye olde "not escaping the spaces" scurvy dog.. YAR
[19:25] <hazmat> Argh!
[19:25] <SpamapS> #!/bin/sh
[19:25] <SpamapS> /var/lib/jenkins/jobs/juju tests/workspace/bin/relation-get --format=json -
[19:25] <SpamapS> yup
[19:30] <SpamapS> simple fix actually.. phew
[19:33] <juju-jenkins> Project juju tests build #4: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 30 min: http://ec2-23-20-64-9.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8080/job/juju%20tests/4/
[19:34] <juju-jenkins> Project juju tests build #5: ABORTED in 1 min 11 sec: http://ec2-23-20-64-9.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8080/job/juju%20tests/5/
[19:35] <SpamapS> hazmat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/834350/
[19:35] <SpamapS> hazmat: build #6 should pass.. its applied on the jenkins box. :)
[19:41] <juju-jenkins> Project juju tests build #6: STILL FAILING in 7 min 5 sec: http://ec2-23-20-64-9.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8080/job/juju%20tests/6/
[19:44] <hazmat> SpamapS, lgtm
[20:17] <m_3> SpamapS: thanks for thjenkins plugins... I'll pull those into charmtester as well
[20:27] <michael_tn> good day all,
[20:28] <michael_tn> i'm trying to spin up some ubuntu orchestra/juju
[20:28] <michael_tn> i have orchestra/cobbler running
[20:29] <michael_tn> juju bootstrap fails to see my active systems
[20:29] <michael_tn> cobbler list shows these systems
[20:29] <michael_tn> systems:    node064    node066 systems:    node064    node066
[20:30] <michael_tn> juju bootstrap errors with
[20:30] <michael_tn> 2012-02-08 15:29:58,775 ERROR Could not find any Cobbler systems marked as available and configured for network boot.
[21:59] <_mup_> juju/unit-stop r423 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:59] <_mup_> clean up stop spec
[22:01] <hazmat> michael_tn, have you setup the orchestra classes in environments.yaml and assigned machines to the $available-mgmt-class
[22:02] <hazmat> juju will use machines only that have the available-mgmt-class applied and are setup for netboot i think.
[22:07] <SpamapS> hazmat: yes thats how it works
[22:19] <juju-jenkins> Project juju tests build #7: STILL FAILING in 6 min 38 sec: http://ec2-23-20-64-9.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8080/job/juju%20tests/7/
[22:29] <juju-jenkins> Project juju tests build #8: STILL FAILING in 6 min 55 sec: http://ec2-23-20-64-9.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8080/job/juju%20tests/8/
[22:29] <juju-jenkins> Clint Byrum: [trivial][r=hazmat] Fix running of test suite inside sub-dirs that have spaces or other special shell chars
[22:30] <SpamapS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/834557/
[22:30] <SpamapS> hazmat: ^^ .. that test seems to have a race in it
[22:30] <SpamapS>         # Do this as late as possible to prevent zk background logging
[22:30] <SpamapS>         # from causing problems.
[22:31] <SpamapS> That race seems to be hitting quite often on my little m1.small
[22:32] <SpamapS> I'm a little confused why it sets LOG_LEVEL_INFO ..
[22:33]  * hazmat pokes at the source
[22:33] <SpamapS> bzr log -c 146.2.1
[22:33] <SpamapS> ask bzr, and ye shall receive. ;)
[22:35] <SpamapS> hazmat: seems like LOG_LEVEL_ERROR would be more appropriate given that the warnings are not fatal..
[22:39] <SpamapS> hazmat: its really hard to understand at all what that test even wants to be doing
[22:39] <hazmat> SpamapS, there's a race from when it sets the log level to when the operation is done
[22:39] <hazmat> SpamapS, that test can be removed imo
[22:39] <SpamapS> hazmat: it seems like that test is testing txzookeeper, not juju. ;)
[22:39] <hazmat> its hard to test without adding a new method to the zk bindings
[22:40] <hazmat> its trying to test a juju cli default behavior
[22:40] <SpamapS> That behavior being.. return no output after removing a unit?
[22:40] <SpamapS> So we could also just filter out all ZK log messages. Right?
[22:40] <hazmat> SpamapS, by default we do
[22:41] <hazmat> SpamapS, that test basically sets it to a level that would log, and then invokes juju since juju will set it to disabled, but there's a race between the two that is outside tests control
[22:42] <hazmat> and then it tries to verify that nothing was logged, but that fails since between juju cli being run and the activation of logging, the zk extension/binding io thread does some logging
[22:43] <hazmat> all we really want is to verify self.assertEqual(zookeeper.get_debug_level(), 0)  but that method doesn't exist
[22:43] <SpamapS> hazmat: so its almost by definition a non-deterministic test because the logging is not forced.
[22:43] <hazmat> SpamapS, yes, the io thread is outside of python's control.. its basically  setting up a fail scenario, and then trying to assert it didn't fail, but there is  a window for failure
[22:45] <hazmat> SpamapS, we could minimize the window by moving the mocker.replay call up, but there will always be a window with that test, and frankly its a test i'd be fine with yanking.. alternatively we patch and upstream the new method call onto the bindings
[22:46] <SpamapS> hazmat: I'm +1 on just removing the test
[22:47] <SpamapS> hazmat: and opening a bug on python-zookeeper to add the call
[22:47] <hazmat> SpamapS, sounds good to me
[22:47] <SpamapS> or is that even further up, to libzookeeper itself?
[22:47]  * hazmat checks
[22:48] <juju-jenkins> Project juju tests build #9: STILL FAILING in 6 min 53 sec: http://ec2-23-20-64-9.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8080/job/juju%20tests/9/
[22:48] <hazmat> SpamapS, its libzookeeper as well
[22:49] <SpamapS> argh, no JIRA in launchpad still. Bummer.
[22:54] <hazmat> SpamapS, ah.. we could just mock it
[22:55] <hazmat> that would work well
[22:55] <_mup_> Bug #929187 was filed: juju.control.tests.test_remove_unit.ControlRemoveUnitTest.test_zookeeper_logging_default is non-deterministic and should be removed <juju:In Progress> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/929187 >
[22:55] <SpamapS> mock the zookeeper calls?
[22:56] <SpamapS> hazmat: you want to take that?
[22:56] <SpamapS> hazmat: I know I could do it, but I'm not so good w/ recording stuff for mocker. :-P
[22:56] <koolhead17> so its juju add-unit  wordpress will add extra unit but juju add-unit wordpress --n=5
[22:56] <koolhead17> add 5 units all toagther
[22:56] <SpamapS> koolhead17: right
[23:01] <hazmat> SpamapS,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/834593/
[23:01] <koolhead17> Multiple charms can provide the same service and can be easily switched.   Does it mean charm like mysql and pgsql doing same
[23:01] <hazmat> bcsaller, jimbaker could you look over this trivial ^
[23:02] <jimbaker> hazmat, looking
[23:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: oh snap :)
[23:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: I constantly forget about replace. :)
[23:03] <hazmat> SpamapS, it still feels a little suspect, mocker matching is a little magic, it doesn't execute just once, nor just twice, but some schrodinger cat polystate
[23:03] <hazmat> jimbaker, thanks
[23:04] <jimbaker> hazmat, +1, the right approach given this nondeterminism
[23:05] <SpamapS> hazmat: I'll give you a bug #, since I already started writing it up
[23:05] <SpamapS> hazmat: err, actually its 929187
[23:05] <SpamapS> saved already
[23:27] <koolhead17> SpamapS: yay!! am finally done!! :)
[23:36] <niemeyer> hazmat: ping
[23:37] <niemeyer> SpamapS: ping
[23:38] <SpamapS> niemeyer: a-ding-dong? :) pong
[23:42] <niemeyer> SpamapS: :-)
[23:42] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Was wondering about the boolean stuff
[23:42] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Do you know if it's made its life into juju yet?
[23:45] <SpamapS> niemeyer: looks like no, according to bug #885551
[23:45] <_mup_> Bug #885551: config.yaml should have boolean types <juju:In Progress by hazmat> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/885551 >
[23:45] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Cool, thanks
[23:45] <niemeyer> SpamapS: I've just run another import round in the repository
[23:45] <SpamapS> niemeyer: much cleaner I hope
[23:46] <niemeyer> SpamapS: A lot.. thanks for that
[23:46] <niemeyer> SpamapS: It still has the boolean stuff
[23:46] <SpamapS> niemeyer: mostly m_3's doing :)
[23:46] <niemeyer> SpamapS: and includes just a few new items related to symlinks
[23:46] <niemeyer> 126 charms total
[23:46] <niemeyer> Well.. unique URLs
[23:46] <SpamapS> niemeyer: I was just polishing up an edit to charm proof that checks for non-relative symlinks
[23:47] <SpamapS> niemeyer: seems like eventually your code should supersede charm proof
[23:47] <niemeyer> 22 issues only
[23:47] <niemeyer> SpamapS: I hope this becomes "juju publish"
[23:47] <SpamapS> though perhaps there is value in having a second implementation of the known rules.
[23:48] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Yeah, I think there will always be room for a lint tool
[23:48] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Since you can recommend conventions there
[23:48] <niemeyer> SpamapS: The repository is black-or-white


[14:00]  * cpaelzer lights a campfire for mir team
[14:01] <doko> hi there
[14:01] <cpaelzer> cyphermox: doko: hiho
[14:01] <cpaelzer> nothing new and unassigned in the queue
[14:01] <cpaelzer> checking last updates if I missed some in my inbox or if this can be a quick meeting again
[14:02] <doko> just re-promoted pycryptodome
[14:03] <cpaelzer> cyphermox: requested a security check for 1768119  and didrocks requested reasoning for 1742711
[14:03] <cpaelzer> the latter got updated, but I guess didrocks will handle that right?
[14:04] <cpaelzer> nothing that seems meeting-worthy I think
[14:04] <cpaelzer> doko: cyphermox: (other) anything from you that needs a discussion?
[14:07] <doko> no


[15:55] <MohamedAlaa98> Anybody here?
[17:53] <helghareeb> Salam Alaykom w Rahmat ALLAH w Barakatoh
[17:53] <helghareeb> Hello Ubuntutians
[17:53] <ashams> helghareeb, WSA
[17:53] <helghareeb> This is Haitham, Mozilla ReMo here in Egypt
[17:53] <helghareeb> Hello ashams
[17:53] <ashams> hello Mozillans
[17:53] <helghareeb> :)
[17:54] <helghareeb> I am here to cordially invite you to our session "Open Web - Part II" today
[17:54] <ashams> helghareeb, I couldn't find enough info to invite ppl
[17:54] <helghareeb> on #Mozilla-EG channel, on MozNet Server
[17:54] <helghareeb> you can find MozNet through ChatZilla "from Firefox, install ChatZilla"
[17:54] <helghareeb> and you will find the server listed
[17:54] <helghareeb> or you can use
[17:54] <helghareeb> www.mibbit.com
[17:55] <helghareeb> and use Mozilla Server
[17:55] <ashams> I found my way with xchat
[17:55] <ashams> :-)
[17:55] <helghareeb> inchallah, we are going to talk today about Mozilla Projects, other than Firefox
[17:55] <helghareeb> :) I am sure U would find it ashams
[17:55] <helghareeb> Hope you will enjoy us.
[17:55] <helghareeb> Thanks
[17:55] <ashams> so, I want to invite ppl on the mailing list but found no enough iinfo
[17:55] <helghareeb> and Sorry Admins, I really appreciate not banning me out of here :)
[17:55] <helghareeb> my honor
[17:55] <helghareeb> what kind of info do U need?
[17:56] <ashams> schedule and some points on the session
[17:56] <ashams> is there any announcement?
[17:56] <helghareeb> not yet. I haven't thought about this session like that
[17:57] <ashams> ok
[17:57] <helghareeb> U r really a 'creative' ubuntutian now
[17:57] <helghareeb> inchallah next time, we will make announcements and this staff
[17:57] <ashams> helghareeb, can you just push me some lines and the schedule to post to the mailing list
[17:57] <helghareeb> this is the second time to have such activity, first time to give this session
[17:57] <helghareeb> Ok, so:
[17:57] <ashams> 2 lines at max
[17:57] <ashams> cool
[17:58] <helghareeb> "Mozilla and Open Web: What Mozilla offers other than Firefox"
[17:58] <ashams> cool :-)
[17:58] <helghareeb> Presentation and Q&A Session at #Mozilla-EG, on MozNet at 9 p.m
[17:59] <helghareeb> By: Haitham A. El-Ghareeb "Mozilla ReMo"
[17:59] <ashams> ok, cool


[23:48] <Gnea> matreya6: :) pulse can be a pain sometimes, othertimes it's a lifesaver. i used to tell people to just shut it off. now, i got it working over my lan so that sound from 2 other machines is heard thru the speakers of a 3rd.
[23:48] <dsdeiz> !RealTransparency
[23:48] <dsdeiz> !Transparency
[23:48] <matreya6> Paddy_EIRE, Gnea, my guess is that a standard update of Ubuntu broke pulse
[23:48] <Gnea> matreya6: of course, it's not perfect, and suffers a performance hit when there's a high system load
[23:49] <Gnea> matreya6: pulse doesn't work very well out-of-the-box on ubuntu, it takes a bit of configuration - what have you done so far?
[23:49] <Paddy_EIRE> matreya6: sadly some regressions can occur.. all we can do really is file bug reports
[23:50] <Paddy_EIRE> matreya6: Gnea knows much more about this than I do
[23:50] <linduxed> my friend has given some ms-word invoice templates that have (according to him) been created a looong time ago in some old ms-word and then resaved through a couple of versions. he has got paper printed to match the invoice templates so its imperative that the stuff works.
[23:50] <linduxed> when i try to open the thing in openoffice it doesnt quite look right, is there a special compatibility mode for old ms-word docs or is it "Open and pray"?
[23:50] <matreya6> Gnea, I have just reinstalled pulse through the instructions on: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578&highlight=sound+stops+working
[23:50] <Soren_> hi everyone
[23:50]  * Gnea reads
[23:51] <Soren_> felix_ are you sleeping
[23:51] <tbird02> gnea: sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdb1
[23:51] <tbird02> Mounting volume... FAILED
[23:51] <tbird02> Attempting to correct errors...
[23:51] <tbird02> Processing $MFT and $MFTMirr...
[23:51] <tbird02> Reading $MFT... OK
[23:51] <FloodBot1> tbird02: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:51] <tbird02> Reading $MFTMirr... OK
[23:51] <matreya6> Gnea, I noticed that these instructions did not involve removing the /etc tree for Pulse.
[23:51] <felix_> not Soren_
[23:52] <AirBreather> linduxed: In OOo, file -> open allows you to select the File Type.  Click on that arrow and then try selecting an older version of Microsoft Word.
[23:52] <matreya6> Gnea, can I trouble you with the output of pulseaudio starting (and spewing out errors)?
[23:52] <Soren_> felix_ you better not make yourself sick
[23:52] <Gnea> tbird02: please pastebin that
[23:52] <felix_> Soren_, im programming as crazy
[23:52] <Ciros> AirBreather:  thnx for the help, even though still ended up needing to reboot.
[23:52] <Gnea> matreya6: if you're familiar with pastebin, please, go ahead
[23:52] <tbird02> gnea: http://pastebin.ca/1431468
[23:52] <Macmee> Guys, I just updated to Ubuntu 9 from 8, and now on the Ubuntu boot screen the loading bar stopped moving. Can someone help?
[23:52] <matreya6> Gnea, http://pastebin.ca/1431469
[23:53] <Soren_> felix_, what is the best program for Yahoo IM? pidgin?
[23:53] <Gnea> tbird02: looks good, now run it again :)
[23:53] <matreya6> Soren_, yes Pidgin should work fine
[23:53] <felix_> Soren_, i dunno other indtead
[23:53] <tbird02> gnea: run what again?
[23:53] <felix_> indeed
[23:53] <Macmee> Guys, I just updated to Ubuntu 9 from 8, and now on the Ubuntu boot screen the loading bar stopped moving. Can someone help?
[23:53] <Gnea> tbird02: sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdb1
[23:54] <Gnea> tbird02: it should say that it mounted correctly and that there are no errors
[23:54] <Soren_> do you guys/girls know of a god/dess of sound that comes in here
[23:54] <tbird02> gnea: Refusing to operate on read-write mounted device /dev/sdb1.
[23:54] <Macmee> Guys, I just updated to Ubuntu 9 from 8, and now on the Ubuntu boot screen the loading bar stopped moving. Can someone help?
[23:54] <DumbDude> hi
[23:54] <Gnea> tbird02: I see. see if you can write to it now
[23:54] <matreya6> Gnea, do you know a way to stop the translating of error messages? Now some of it is in Dutch (my system language) and most of it is English.
[23:55] <Macmee> can't anyone help me,?????
[23:55] <Gnea> matreya6: check out line 12, it points to a clue
[23:55] <Gnea> !helpme | Macmee
[23:55] <phlexonance> I can't find the setting to make my apt-get autoinstall the recommended packages
[23:55] <Macmee> Guys, I just updated to Ubuntu 9 from 8, and now on the Ubuntu boot screen the loading bar stopped moving. Can someone help?
[23:56] <Gnea> Macmee: try booting again, but remove the 'quiet splash' from the kerne line
[23:56] <Gnea> *kernel
[23:56] <AirBreather> !tell Macmee about repeat
[23:56] <Macmee> Gnea: how do I remove it from the line?
[23:56] <matreya6> Gnea, ah, you mean membership of pulse-rt? That is fixed in a jiffy.
[23:56] <Gnea> matreya6: check your Users & Groups in the Administration menu and make sure that you are having proper access
[23:57] <Gnea> matreya6: yes, you should make sure that you are also part of pulse-access
[23:57] <Macmee> Gnea, could you please tell me how to remove it from the file, if I cannot boot?
[23:57] <conorgil> xchat new channelpath
[23:58] <Gnea> Macmee: do it at boottime, where it gives you the opportunity to press ESC, then just follow the directions to 'e'dit the proper lines
[23:58] <matreya6> Gnea, I'm already a member of both groups (as should be)
[23:58] <tbird02> gnea: it works now! thank you. is it normal for it to take 1 hour to transfer 8.2 gb?
[23:58] <Gnea> tbird02: over USB? yeah.
[23:58] <Macmee> alright Gnea I'll see to it, thanks
[23:58] <dsdeiz> anyone here a fan of true transparency? heh
[23:59] <tbird02> oic. does xubuntu support esata?
[23:59] <Greyhound-> I am, I am
[23:59] <Gnea> tbird02: yes.
[23:59] <CaMason> hi guys. The other day, I enabled the monitor output on my laptop. Since then, I disabled it. Now, I can only get 2 desktops to show, even though it's set to more in compizconfig
[23:59] <Gnea> matreya6: were you a member of those groups before you logged in?
[23:59] <tbird02> would it be faster than usb?
[23:59] <dsdeiz> Greyhound-: may i ask how you did it? lolz.. i can't seem to understand a thing :(


[13:55] <dagb> is there a simple one-liner I can use to add a root-pw or a ssh-key to a downloaded img-file?
[13:56] <Krikke> you can do it with cloud init
[13:56] <dagb> I feel like I have a *really* simple problem, and all solutions requires learning sanskrit. from americ. with clay tablets.
[13:56] <Krikke> or you can just mount the image, chroot into it and change the pw
[13:56] <dagb> amharic?
[13:57] <dagb> Krikke the last one requires libguestfs, right?
[13:58] <dagb> Krikke: do you care to suggest a quick and simple way to do it with cloud-init?
[13:58] <Krikke> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html
[13:59] <Krikke> you can put it in users section as ssh_authorized_keys
[13:59] <Krikke> or passwd / plain_text_passwd and then set lock_passwd: false
[14:00] <dagb> thank you. this looks promising
[14:08] <dagb> with the glaring exception that I do not understand how to apply the config to my image?
[14:13] <dagb> I need to create a disk image with the config data on it, it appears
[14:15] <Krikke> I dunno, depends on image I guess
[14:15] <Krikke> openstack images have cloudinit pre-installed I think
[14:16] <dagb> There is nothing analog to 'cloud-init myconfig.json diskimag.img  '
[14:16] <Krikke> maybe it's also possible to mount the cloudinit volume
[14:16] <Krikke> no it's a software that runs when the os boots from the image
[14:19] <Krikke> I'm using libvirt with terraform, it mounts an iso with the cloud init stuff when it creates the vm
[14:43] <Krikke> yeah seems it mounts the config from an iso file
[14:47] <dagb> Krikke: thank you for guiding my onto the right path.
[14:47] <dagb> me
[14:48] <dagb> finally figured it out.
[14:48] <Krikke> nice, np


[00:00] <pleia2> doing one last pass and adding stats to the newsletter in prep for release
[00:25] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 425 for the week July 6 - 12, 2015 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue425