[12:20] <{malice}> ? I have a Dell Latitude C540 and I need to upgrade the bios but I do not have floppy does anyone know how I can run the exe file in ubuntu? I installed wine and it does not work
[07:57] <defendguin> ok im testing out knot 2 on my laptop how do i enable xgl?
[07:57] <defendguin> and why one earth is NetworkManager not installed by default
[07:58] <Burgundavia> defendguin: what kind of video card do you have?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> and NM is not installed by default because it breaks every other networking tool on the system, including dhclient, ifupdown and the network-admin tool from gnome-system-tools
[07:59] <defendguin> the default gnome tools dont have a sane interface for connecting to wireless networks
[08:00] <Burgundavia> no, they don't
[08:01] <defendguin> I have an intel video card
[08:01] <Burgundavia> then XGL will not work for you
[08:01] <defendguin> oh
[08:01] <Burgundavia> you need AIGLX
[08:01] <defendguin> why is that?
[08:01] <Burgundavia> which is already installed by default
[08:01] <Burgundavia> but what you really want is compiz, which actually does the nifty stuff (compiz is a window manager)
[08:01] <Burgundavia> compiz works on either
[08:02] <Burgundavia> it appears the help wiki is down, but try the forums
[08:04] <defendguin> why doesn't xgl work with my card?  i figured since my card has open drives all of these things should be able to work for me
[08:05] <defendguin> i thought they might have some gui already set up to enable the eye candy
[08:06] <Burgundavia> xgl doesn't work with the open source drivers and AIGLX doesn't work with closed sourced ones
[08:06] <Burgundavia> and there is something, but you need to grab it yourself
[08:06] <Burgundavia> see gnomefiles
[08:08] <defendguin> i love the new firefox with the google suggestions
[08:08] <Burgundavia> hmm, not an FF users
[08:09] <defendguin> why not?
[08:10] <Burgundavia> I find FF's lack of integration into the GNOME desktop to be very annoying
[08:10] <Burgundavia> I very much like epiphany
[08:10] <defendguin> ahh
[08:11] <defendguin> but your missing out on the fire fox google sync extension
[08:11] <Burgundavia> sounds lovely
[08:12] <Burgundavia> rather not have google have more than they already have
[08:13] <defendguin> i guess i'm a trusting individual
[08:15] <defendguin> something is wrong with the gnome compiz manager download site :(
[08:24] <defendguin> hmmm   wireless in nm-applet isnt working properly
[08:27] <defendguin> it doesn't even give me a wireless option even though I can see that the light on my wireless card is blinking and the correct module is loaded
[08:29] <Burgundavia> welcome to why nm is not installed by default
[08:29] <defendguin> heh
[08:29] <defendguin> it works on dapper
[08:30] <crimsun> for values of "works"
[08:31] <defendguin> so far most things seem to work besides that
[08:50] <Fujitsu> defendguin, did you attempt to configure your wireless interface using network-admin first?
[08:51] <defendguin> yes
[08:51] <defendguin> yesterday before i even had nm installed
[08:56] <defendguin> Fujitsu: wireless network is not even an option
[08:56] <Fujitsu> defendguin, yep.
[08:56] <Fujitsu> defendguin, open up /etc/network/interfaces, and remove the section about your wireless card.
[08:59] <defendguin> auto eth2
[08:59] <defendguin> iface eth2 inet dhcp
[08:59] <defendguin> this?
[09:00] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[09:01] <Fujitsu> If you remove that, NetworkManager should pick up the wireless, although it may like to be restarted.
[09:02] <defendguin> yup that did it
[09:02] <Fujitsu> NetworkManager won't play with interfaces that have manual configuration, for obvious reasons.
[09:04] <Burgundavia> yes, part of why NM is not installed by default
[09:05] <Burgundavia> NM is the way forward, it just needs more integration work
[09:05] <defendguin> ahh but if it was installed by default it would have worked properly
[09:05] <defendguin> since i wouldn't have tried to config it manually
[09:06] <Burgundavia> yes, until you tried to set a static IP
[09:06] <Burgundavia> and watched NM fail
[09:06] <defendguin> eh
[09:06] <Burgundavia> have both of you voted; http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnome-games/survey.html
[09:06] <Burgundavia> ?
[09:08] <defendguin> i really don't play the games much
[09:11] <defendguin> to play dvds with totem i just need the extra bad and ugly gstreamer plugins from multiverse?
[09:12] <Linuturk> speaking of network manager
[09:12] <Linuturk> I can't connect to a wireless network with a wep key
[09:12] <Linuturk> open networks work fine
[09:12] <Linuturk> but any with a wep key fail
[09:12] <Linuturk> specifically, 64-bit hex key
[09:14] <defendguin> Linuturk: ill try that now
[09:14] <Burgundavia> Linuturk: the place to fix that is upstream
[09:14] <Linuturk> upstream?
[09:16] <defendguin_> Linuturk: that seemed to work fine
[09:16] <Burgundavia> the NM devs themselves
[09:16] <Linuturk> i'm thinking it's a problem with the drivers dapper installed by default
[09:17] <Burgundavia> packages "flow downstream"
[09:17] <Fujitsu> What driver, Linuturk?
[09:17] <Burgundavia> developers --> pakcagers
[09:17] <Linuturk> for the intel 2200BG
[09:17] <Fujitsu> Or Developers -> Debian -> Ubuntu.
[09:17] <Fujitsu> Works fine for me.
[09:17] <Fujitsu> I'm using a WEP passphrase, actually...
[09:18] <Fujitsu> (also an ipw2200)
[09:18] <Linuturk> is it lsmod to list what modules are loaded/
[09:18] <Linuturk> ?
[09:18] <Linuturk> also, there is an entry on ndiswrapper's site for it
[09:18] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: for some stuff. nm used to be developers --> ubuntu but is now developers --> debian --> ubuntu
[09:19] <Fujitsu> True.
[09:19] <Linuturk> i thought NM came from novell?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> RH, actually
[09:21] <Burgundavia> but there is an Novell and an RH dev working on it
[09:22] <Burgundavia> netapplet was RH
[09:22] <Burgundavia> Novell, rather
[09:22] <Linuturk> anyway, I don't think it's a nm problem
[09:22] <Linuturk> how can I check the drivers loaded/
[09:22] <Linuturk> ?
[09:31] <defendguin_> crimsun   i think sound works much better in edgy than dapper for this laptop
[09:32] <defendguin_> in dapper when i put in a dvd the sound was so much lower than normal system sounds  now it seems to work properly
[09:39] <defendguin_> uggg let me retract that statement
[07:21] <defendguin> compiz works better than i though
[07:21] <defendguin> thought*
[07:30] <Linuturk> I've really noticed a slowdown in my system
[07:30] <Linuturk> what could be causing this?
[07:30] <Linuturk> is there anything I should be cleaning up?
[07:31] <Linuturk> anything to defrag?
[07:31] <Linuturk> my system monitor use to never show page file usage or a load amount
[07:33] <Linuturk> by the way, knot 2 is out, so shouldn't the topic reflect that?


[05:40] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> updating bionic
[06:22] <alkisg> Good morning everyone :)
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> hey alkisg
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> hey oerheks
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> all good there?
[07:04] <lordievader> Jup, last day of work 🎉
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> yessss
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> holidaysss
[07:05] <lordievader> 😁
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> !info hashdeep
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: is it some sort of md5 wallet with stored hashes?
[07:28] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: something like that, just a command line tool to calculate hashes, redirect > to mymd5sums.txt, and later on use them to verify the integrity
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> cool
[07:31] <alkisg> I'm worried about getting some bad sectors in my disks, and without realizing it, backing up bad versions of files, and months later eventually deleting my older good backups, forever losing the data
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: wich brand
[07:34] <alkisg> Any brands, it's a general issue that one may face
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:34] <alkisg> Bad sectors can happen in any disk, hdd or ssd...
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> i always pull out the hd physically and recover all with photorec
[07:35] <alkisg> I hope it never comes to recovery :D
[07:35] <lordievader> smartmontools comes with smartd 😉
[07:35] <alkisg> Backups ftw! I would just feel safer if backups had md5sums too
[07:35] <lordievader> If set up properly it  will email you if it finds bad sectors (or other errors).
[07:35] <ducasse> alkisg: use zfs, then you get checksums of your data
[07:35] <ducasse> morning all!
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse
[07:36] <alkisg> For example some time you may transfer a backup over the network, and have corrupted files that way without even having bad sectors anywhere
[07:37] <lordievader> Though often what harddrives do if they know of bad sectors is to use a different sector.
[07:37] <alkisg> ducasse: how is this integrated? E.g. if I was to open a file, and its checksum was bad, linux would issue an error in dmesg?
[07:37] <alkisg> lordievader: true, but that's already too late, because the read/relocation usually fails when they realize it. It's only on writes that it's OK
[07:38] <lordievader> Fair enough
[07:39] <ducasse> alkisg: yes, and if it's stored on a mirror or raidz device, it will automatically correct it
[07:39] <alkisg> ducasse: thanks, I'll look into it
[07:48] <ducasse> everyone ready for the holidays?
[07:52] <lordievader> Need to survive today first 😉
[07:54] <ducasse> lordievader: don't you think you have good odds of that? :)
[07:55] <lordievader> Think it will be a slow day.
[07:55] <lordievader> Slow and quiet.
[07:56] <ducasse> most likely
[07:57] <jink> Sssst.
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Hey TJ-, think jk^ 's pc is pretty old, the soundcard dates from 2004
[15:25] <TJ-> Yes, and the 'slowness' is because the GPU is GMA900, very little hardware acceleration support
[15:35] <BluesKaj> right , it's a wonder the OS runs at all
[15:55] <TJ-> The arrogance in that person's attitude is contemptable
[15:57] <BluesKaj>  I guess he thinks he's "special"  :-)
[15:58] <BluesKaj> probly blaming the gpu driver an unrelated issue , but has concluded so incorrectly
[15:59] <BluesKaj> for an unrelated issue


[00:53] <cmaloney> Evening
[00:54] <rick_h_> ugh
[01:03] <cmaloney> That good eh?
[01:41] <rick_h_> party
[02:23] <brousch> buttloads of snow
[02:48] <jrwren> yay for not having to leave teh house
[03:23] <greg-g> ugh for colds :(
[11:16] <rick_h_> morning
[13:00] <brousch> ug
[13:40] <rick_h_> heh that good eh?
[13:41] <brousch> ~8"
[13:41] <brousch> Maybe 7
[13:41] <brousch> A lot of blowing snow last night and this morning making whiteout conditions
[13:41] <rick_h_> ouch
[13:42] <rick_h_> just dust here, but it sure seems early in the winter (is it winter yet technically?) for 11F
[13:43] <brousch> It's lake effect snow, so you don't get much of it
[13:43] <mrgoodcat> WMU got a snow day this morning
[13:43] <mrgoodcat> 6" of snow over there
[13:43] <mrgoodcat> surprised they closed over 6 inches
[13:43] <brousch> Yeah, it's really not that bad
[13:44] <brousch> Schools closed here too, but it's not nearly as bad as last year when they stayed open
[13:47] <rick_h_> well at one point they kind of had to
[13:47] <rick_h_> they used up all their snow days and it kept coming
[13:47] <brousch> We didn't use them all
[13:48] <rick_h_> oh, over here they went long after the year to meet the min mandates and such
[13:48] <brousch> And colleges closing over 6" of snow? U-M never closed back in my day
[13:48] <rick_h_> I guess a lot of them were closed due to cold
[13:48] <rick_h_> it was so freaking cold last winter
[13:48] <rick_h_> lol
[13:48] <rick_h_> well they were saying last year once the worst in 20 years so how long ago were you in school :P
[13:49] <brousch> It's only 18F and 6" of snow and WMU, GVSU, etc are closed
[13:49] <brousch> today
[14:15] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:15] <rick_h_> morning
[14:22] <cmaloney> I'm representing MUG at work
[14:22] <cmaloney> it's "Michigan / Detroit day" (spirit week) and I don't have many shirts that have Michigan on them
[14:22] <cmaloney> I think I have 15 for Ohio between PyOhio, Ohio Linuxfest, and Cinciclassic.
[14:23] <cmaloney> This is unsustainable.
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i have like a hundred WMU shirts
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> brousch: schools are closed because of union contracts. Snow came too early and fast.
[15:07] <cmaloney> The unions couldn't keep up? :)
[15:15] <mrgoodcat> pretty much
[15:15] <mrgoodcat> The contracts stipulate things like number of days of notice before work and such. Can't break the rules
[15:31] <_stink_> my freshman year at WMU we had a snow day the day before thanksgiving
[15:32] <_stink_> which was a big surprise
[15:53] <cmaloney> I'll bet.
[16:20] <cmaloney> I'm surprised at the amount of folks commenting on my end of radio post.
[16:20] <cmaloney> (http://decafbad.net/2014/11/12/seth-godin-an-end-of-radio/)
[16:24] <mrgoodcat> don't normally get comments?
[16:25] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Not generally
[16:25] <cmaloney> Usually I get one or two depending if wolfger or one of my other friends is paying attention
[16:25] <cmaloney> these are two folks that I don't know.
[16:26] <cmaloney> Although one of them had kind of a spammish link which I removed.
[16:27] <cmaloney> But hey, if I'm getting spammers that are actually leaving reasonable comments I'll take it. :)
[16:38] <cmaloney> Man, it looks like the Debian project is going through some major churn
[16:52] <mrgoodcat> in what way?
[16:52] <mrgoodcat> code churn or people churn?
[16:52] <rick_h_> both :)
[16:52] <cmaloney> People churn
[16:53] <cmaloney> I think last count of folks stepping down is at 4
[16:53] <greg-g> "Let's Encrypt", thoughts?  https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/jhalderm/announcing-lets-encrypt/
[17:02] <cmaloney> So Let's Encrypt becomes a CA?
[17:02] <cmaloney> am I reading that right?
[17:03] <cmaloney> 1) I'm not sure I like the "create a piece of software" bit in order to make certificates easier.
[17:03] <cmaloney> since I'm not sure what that software will be mucking with
[17:03] <cmaloney> though getting https certificates installed properly is less than trivial
[17:04] <cmaloney> 2) What's to keep bad-actors from bad-acting and getting this CA blacklisted?
[17:04] <cmaloney> On the surface I like it
[17:04] <cmaloney> Part of the reason I'm not using https is because of cost / PITA.
[17:09] <rick_h_> greg-g: wish them luck. Dealing with cross domain warnings from browsers, https overhead (austrailia users get a 400ms hit every https domain they get on canonical services), and cert management is hard let's go shopping
[17:09] <rick_h_> greg-g: but as someone that pays out of pocket for SSL certs on hobby and even our QA sites at work I'm all +1 on https
[17:11] <rick_h_> and that's beyond the stuff that's just ip addresses or local dns and not real urls and the like
[17:15] <jrwren> it is very sad what is happening in systemd world and debian land.
[17:15] <jrwren> very similar to the hate filled boycot novell that happened in mono land.
[17:20] <jrwren> let's encrypt - as long as its open source, because no other way do I trust "Web site operators simply install a small piece of software that takes care of the entire process."
[17:26] <cmaloney> I wish there was better support for self-signed certificates
[17:27] <cmaloney> But I completely understand why I'm asking for something impossible.
[17:29] <jrwren> cmaloney: easier to run your own CA.
[17:29] <jrwren> cmaloney: and there is great support for that.
[17:29] <cmaloney> i've not had any luck not getting a ton of warnings about that
[17:30] <jrwren> did you import your CA root as a trusted cert?
[17:30] <cmaloney> I thought I did
[17:30] <cmaloney> This was a while ago, so the specifics are lost in time
[17:44]  * DrDaemonEye peers in
[17:47] <cmaloney> DrDaemonEye: Howdy. :)
[17:47] <DrDaemonEye> hey hey cmaloney :)
[17:47] <DrDaemonEye> I had forgotten that I should be here
[17:52] <cmaloney> Yeah, we need to have some sort of nagging mechanism. ;)
[17:52] <DrDaemonEye> We do... I think there is also a channel for the michigan users group?
[17:52] <cmaloney> Yep, #mugorg
[17:53] <DrDaemonEye> thanks.
[17:53] <cmaloney> np
[17:54] <DrDaemonEye> there... I am in all the right local channels
[17:56] <DrDaemonEye> How's everyone doing?
[17:57] <cmaloney> Hanging in there.
[17:57] <cmaloney> Doing the working thing
[17:57] <cmaloney> listening to Metallica for the first time in forever.
[17:57] <DrDaemonEye> good good.  :)  Working... fun stuff.
[17:57] <DrDaemonEye> Oh nice.  I am listening to Fleetwood Mac for the first time in a long time.
[17:59] <cmaloney> Yeah, there's a reason that Cliff-era Metallica was one of the big four
[17:59] <DrDaemonEye> I saw a couple of their albums on vinyl record.
[17:59] <cmaloney> I think they're reissuing them
[17:59] <cmaloney> Vinyl is pretty big in the metal world
[18:00] <cmaloney> http://www.earache.com/uswebstore/
[18:00] <DrDaemonEye> Yea.  It is becoming big again around town here, but I have a feeling I live in a hipsterish college town.
[18:00] <cmaloney> Whereabouts?
[18:00] <DrDaemonEye> Ann Arbor
[18:00] <cmaloney> yeah, that's a hipsterish college town. ;)
[18:01] <cmaloney> Though there's a vinyl store in Royal Oak (UHF) that I adore.
[18:01] <DrDaemonEye> It really is.
[18:01] <jrwren> yay Ann Arbor
[18:01] <DrDaemonEye> jrwren: you in A2?
[18:01] <jrwren> yes
[18:01] <cmaloney> jrwren is the face of Ann Arbor
[18:01] <DrDaemonEye> you ever make it down to All Hands Active?
[18:01] <jrwren> I've been there once or twice.
[18:02] <DrDaemonEye> Ah okay.  you should come by sometime... Just got membership there again
[18:02] <jrwren> i was trying to point it out to someone a couple weeks ago. it was 9pm on Monday night after a semjs meeting at Baracuda, and I couldn't find the door. We were just across the street
[18:03] <DrDaemonEye> Anyway, I think it is about time to get vinyl record player
[18:03] <DrDaemonEye> Yea, Mondays the door tends to dark
[18:03] <cmaloney> DrDaemonEye: Yea, i have one that I haven't hooked up
[18:03] <cmaloney> at least in $newlocation
[18:04] <DrDaemonEye> :)  I also want to get a tube audio amp
[18:04] <cmaloney> I'd love to find a good one that isn't over $400
[18:04] <DrDaemonEye> hehe.  :)
[18:04] <cmaloney> and isn't a kit. ;)
[18:04] <cmaloney> That or a nice Class-T amp
[18:04] <DrDaemonEye> I'd want a kit, so I can do custom cases
[18:05] <cmaloney> I have one that I like but it's a little underpowered
[18:05] <cmaloney> Pyle 20watt/ch
[18:05] <DrDaemonEye> nice.  :)
[20:47] <jrwren> oh, I didn't realize let's encrypt is an eff project. https://www.eff.org/press/releases/new-free-certificate-authority-dramatically-increase-encrypted-internet-traffic
[20:47] <jrwren> It now has my trust.
[22:45] <greg-g> rick_h_: does canonical use caching pops/some sort of cdn?
[22:46] <greg-g> we put a cache/terminator in SF and it helped oceania a ton (main DC is in Ashburn, with another cache in Amsterdam)
[22:46] <greg-g> still bad, without having something in Japan or so all of oceania is screwed
[23:00] <rick_h_> greg-g: not for all things
[23:00]  * greg-g nods
[23:01] <rick_h_> greg-g: the packages stuff has some mirrors
[23:01] <rick_h_> and things like ubuntu images in the clouds and such
[23:01] <rick_h_> but for most just apps/etc no.
[23:01] <greg-g> gotcha
[23:01] <rick_h_> though we're looking at some of that in some upcoming work, but not like you guys do I'm sure
[23:03] <greg-g> well, our use case is limited
[23:03] <greg-g> "text webpages and images" is pretty easy to cache
[23:04] <rick_h_> yea, true
[23:04] <rick_h_> the thing with ours is a lot of interactive apps that make caching alone hard enough much less really pushing it too hard out to the edges
[23:04] <greg-g> totally
[23:05] <greg-g> 99% usecase for us is anonymous users being served a cached copy
[23:05] <greg-g> the 1% (editors/logged in users) is harder, of course, but we can easily throw hardware at both problems
[23:05] <rick_h_> gotcha
[23:06] <rick_h_> yea, I think our future is more on the idea of running multiple instances of the apps in diff geo regions and getting users to the closest instance
[23:06] <greg-g> I can't wait until we have our second DC up and running (in dallas) with full replication/etc
[23:06] <rick_h_> but we'll see
[23:06] <rick_h_> woot!
[23:06] <rick_h_> MOAR POWAR
[23:07] <greg-g> we're still tiny compared to the other top 5 websites, but adding another 600+ servers is always fun :)
[23:08] <rick_h_> how'd you make out building your team?
[23:09] <greg-g> still in-progress (one more RelEng hire open, interviews on-going), but going well. We just had a Team Health Check today:
[23:09] <greg-g> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Team_Practices_Group/Health_check_survey
[23:09] <rick_h_> "no colds allowed"
[23:10] <rick_h_> interesting
[23:10] <greg-g> stole the idea from Spotify I think
[23:10] <greg-g> but yeah, a bunch of teams are doing it
[23:10] <greg-g> but, today, we had ours, and we were pretty much all "awesome" for each one. We only had two "meh"s
[23:11] <greg-g> Also got a lot of positive feedback in the "Fun" section about how I've held the team together. Basically, I thought to myself "they like me! They really really like me!"
[23:13] <rick_h_> lol
[23:13] <rick_h_> always good to hear
[23:13] <greg-g> means I'm not enough of a hardass, apparently :P
[23:15] <rick_h_> I just hide it behind laughing so it sounds better :P
[23:15] <greg-g> #managementbehindthescenes
[23:16] <rick_h_> I can't seem to pull that off. I'm too into everything. It's something to figure out still
[23:17] <greg-g> what's it in that sentence?
[23:17] <rick_h_> "manage behind the scenes"
[23:17] <rick_h_> as in kind of hands off/invisible
[23:18]  * rick_h_ needs to do some singing of "let it go! let it go!"
[23:18] <greg-g> oh, I meant more "we're talking about our secrets here"
[23:18] <greg-g> but yeah, that is tough
[23:19] <rick_h_> oh, gotcha. Heh yea gotta go into a private channel and confess how sometimes we don't actually know wtf we're doing :)
[23:19] <rick_h_> so everyone still thinks we do
[23:19] <greg-g> exactly!
[23:19] <greg-g> "I learned 95% of what I know about management from https://twitter.com/PicardTips"
[23:19] <rick_h_> lol
[23:20] <greg-g> do you follow that account? it's actually pretty great
[23:20] <rick_h_> I see it RT'd around often enough
[23:20] <rick_h_> I try to keep away from too much noise on twitter
[23:20] <rick_h_> I find enough of that stuff gets my way via people I do follow
[23:20]  * greg-g nods
[23:21] <greg-g> I went on an unfollow or "turn off retweets" spree recently, helped a ton
[23:21] <rick_h_> yea, every time my count goes over 150 I start to look for stuff to cut
[23:21] <rick_h_> seems to be a magic number for me
[23:21] <rick_h_> of course I just crossed 200 ugh
[23:21] <greg-g> huh, I follow 301....
[23:22] <rick_h_> I followed leankit today because that's where they announced a network issue today
[23:22] <rick_h_> 150-160 is my happy place
[23:26] <rick_h_> there we go, cut out almost 20
[23:26] <greg-g> :)
[23:26]  * greg-g wonders if he's still on the list :P
[23:26] <rick_h_> :)
[23:26] <greg-g> I've really started leaning on the "turn off retweets" thing. Some people retweet way too much, but are pretty sensible with their own stuff


[00:07] <catbus1> kiko: ^^^
[00:10] <catbus1> wolverineav: it's not 'fix released' so I would expect the bug still exists for 1.8. I think this bug probably should be targeted to 1.8 and 1.9 if the bug is valid for 1.8 and 1.9.
[00:12] <wolverineav> catbus1: ok, that sounds good
[07:24] <mup> Bug #1472116 opened: Juju failed to bootstrap MAAS with 500 INTERNAL SERVER ERROR / unknown error <1.8> <juju> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472116>
[11:37] <mup> Bug #1472228 opened: maas-pserv still " Stop"  !!  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472228>
[13:22] <mup> Bug #1472260 opened: MAAS picks wrong cluster-controller for curtin install <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472260>
[13:52] <mup> Bug #1472268 opened: Interface with sticky IP gets prioritized dynamic IP address as well  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472268>
[14:01] <mup> Bug #1472268 changed: Interface with sticky IP gets prioritized dynamic IP address as well  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472268>
[14:04] <mup> Bug #1472268 opened: Interface with sticky IP gets prioritized dynamic IP address as well  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472268>
[15:55] <mup> Bug #1402042 opened: console= parameters need to be added before -- on kernel cmdline <curtin:Confirmed> <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 1.7:Triaged> <MAAS trunk:Triaged> <curtin (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <debian-installer-utils (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <debian-installer-utils (Ubuntu
[15:55] <mup> Precise):New> <maas (Ubuntu Precise):New> <curtin (Ubuntu Trusty):Confirmed> <debian-installer-utils (Ubuntu Trusty):New> <maas (Ubuntu Trusty):New> <curtin (Ubuntu Utopic):Won't Fix> <debian-installer-utils (Ubuntu Utopic):New> <maas (Ubuntu Utopic):New> <curtin (Ubuntu Vivid):Confirmed>
[15:55] <mup> <debian-installer-utils (Ubuntu Vivid):New> <maas (Ubuntu Vivid):New> <curtin (Ubuntu Wily):Confirmed> <debian-installer-utils (Ubuntu Wily):Fix Released> <maas (Ubuntu Wily):New> <Debian:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1402042>
[16:05] <voidspace> rvba: ping
[16:05] <rvba> voidspace: hi
[16:06] <voidspace> rvba: hey, hi
[16:06] <voidspace> rvba: I'm using the devices API, via gomaasapi, to create a device and then allocate an address for the device
[16:06] <voidspace> rvba: so far so good
[16:06] <voidspace> rvba: when I try to delete the device (on container destruction), via gomaasapi, I get an error 403
[16:07] <rvba> voidspace: 403?  That's odd.
[16:08] <voidspace> rvba: ah, and the error document (html!?) includes: CSRF verification failed. Request aborted
[16:08] <voidspace> rvba: maybe CSRF hasn't been turned off for that api endpoint
[16:09] <voidspace> this is using 1.9 dailybuilds
[16:10] <rvba> voidspace: CSRF should be disabled for the entire API… but let me have a look at the code to be sure…
[16:10] <voidspace> I'm double checking my usage of the api
[16:11] <voidspace> rvba: my fault
[16:11] <rvba> voidspace: ah! :)
[16:11] <voidspace> rvba: I'm using "device" instead of "devices" as the api endpoint
[16:11] <voidspace> interesting error though
[16:11] <rvba> Indeed.
[16:11] <voidspace>  /device/systemId
[16:11] <voidspace> when it should be /devices/systemId/
[16:11] <rvba> Right.
[16:11] <voidspace> rvba: sorry for the noise
[16:11] <rvba> no worries
[16:55] <mup> Bug #1472338 opened: Failed to refresh power state and unhandled errors -  exceptions.OSError: [Errno 12] Cannot allocate memory <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472338>


[17:50] <pleia2> paulproteus: saw your blog post, aww! :D
[17:52] <pleia2> (and yes, I'll spoil the surprise by saying it's a wedding invitation)
[18:33] <pleia2> philballew: have some time to do the post meeting tasks from our meeting on sunday?
[18:44] <philballew> pleia2, yeah. shoule be able to do that this afternoon or late tonight
[18:44] <philballew> I will write it down and do it


[00:03] <mup> Bug #1580818 opened: Unable to download daily images <MAAS:New> <maas-images:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580818>
[03:15] <yuanyou_> Hi all,I have an error when deploy maas,who can help me ?
[03:15] <yuanyou_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mKKYFqTZ/
[04:44] <michael_> Does anyone know where I can find some documentation on customizing Ubuntu images? Really the only thing i need to do is add a network driver.
[05:31] <mup> Bug #1581318 changed: Power type selections not available and cli machines create reports unknown parameters <cdo-qa> <enlist> <ipmi> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581318>
[05:37] <mup> Bug #1581318 opened: Power type selections not available and cli machines create reports unknown parameters <cdo-qa> <enlist> <ipmi> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581318>
[11:02] <mup> Bug #1581453 opened: [UI] Top of machine details page is shifted if actions are performed when scrolled down <confusing-ui> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581453>
[11:25] <rosos1233> hello!
[11:26] <rosos1233> I am trying to install a node to maas and I have downloaded the appropriate images but when the node boots from network and find maas it says  "could not find kernel image"
[11:27] <rosos1233> is there anywhere that I can look to understand whats going on?
[11:27] <rosos1233> my node is set with linux ubuntu 64 14.0  and I have downloaded the same images
[11:28] <rosos1233> i tried also  with the generic type for the node but did not succeed
[12:17] <rosos1233> hello?
[12:17] <rosos1233> :)
[12:27] <DavidRama> you have to download the images on the maas server
[12:27] <DavidRama> did you do that ?
[13:03] <mup> Bug #1581515 opened: Clock Skew Occurs during MAAS 2.0 Enlistments <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581515>
[13:05] <rosos1233> yes :)
[13:07] <rosos1233> anything else that I can search for?
[13:07] <rosos1233> I have done excactly the same steps before and have worked but I made a format and now it gets me this error
[13:12] <mup> Bug #1581515 changed: Clock Skew Occurs during MAAS 2.0 Enlistments <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581515>
[13:21] <mup> Bug #1581515 opened: Clock Skew Occurs during MAAS 2.0 Enlistments <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581515>
[13:31] <DavidRama> rosos1233 mm check that the tftp request uses the right nic maybe
[13:33] <mup> Bug #1581515 changed: Clock Skew Occurs during MAAS 2.0 Enlistments <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581515>
[14:27] <mup> Bug #1581553 opened: Maas 2.0 Deployment Failing on arm64 , Xenial <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581553>
[14:39] <mup> Bug #1581553 changed: Maas 2.0 Deployment Failing on arm64 , Xenial <cloud-init:New> <curtin:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581553>
[14:43] <mup> Bug #1581562 opened: Can't change FQDN <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581562>
[15:04] <mup> Bug #1581562 changed: Can't change FQDN <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581562>
[15:34] <mup> Bug #1581562 opened: Can't change FQDN <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581562>
[16:34] <mup> Bug #1567197 changed: [UI 2.0 beta1] MAAS incorrectly reporting image import <MAAS:In Progress by trapnine> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1567197>
[17:04] <mup> Bug #1581609 opened: [2.0 CLI] maas user machine --help still claims "node" in several places <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581609>
[19:41] <mup> Bug #1581654 opened: Region RPC losing connection and raising exception <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581654>
[23:02] <jmmills> I'm guessing this question comes up somewhat frequently, but google hasn't enlightened me
[23:03] <jmmills> but, how do I import an ISO into MaaS for boot
[23:03] <jmmills> my specific use case: trying to get a node to boot RedHat's RHEV-H hypervisor iso
[23:04] <jmmills> also, maas-image-builder doesn't seem to be available via apt


[00:53] <_ailo> ailo:
[10:37] <alexxio> hello
[10:37] <alexxio> i upgraded my ubuntu(studio) from previous version to 11.10, but when it was installing all the packages i accidentally rebooted it...now it works only in recovery mode and not in normal mode..what can i do to understand where the problem is?
[10:47] <ailo> alexxio: You can try installing ubuntustudio-desktop from recovery mode
[10:48] <alexxio> ailo: how to do that?
[10:48] <ailo> apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop
[10:48] <alexxio> mmmh ok
[10:49] <ailo> You can try this: apt-get install --reinstall ubuntustudio-desktop
[10:49] <alexxio> i will need the network?
[10:49] <ailo> yes
[10:50] <alexxio> i sent the command
[10:50] <alexxio> thank you
[10:51] <alexxio> mmmh it already finished (that's strage, isn't it?) it says :
[10:52] <alexxio> extracting substitude of ubuntustudio'desktop...configuring ubuntustudio-desktop (0.90)...the returns the shell $
[10:53] <alexxio> now i reboot..it's charging the ubuntu studio splashscreen
[10:53] <alexxio> and it freezes on it
[10:54] <ailo> Well, it's hard to know what went wrong during your upgrade
[10:54] <alexxio> i know
[10:54] <ailo> I never like to upgrade myself. I always do a fresh install
[10:54] <alexxio> i gave a dpkg --configure -a
[10:54] <ailo> You should back up your files, and do a new install
[10:54] <ailo> It's much faster that way, I think
[10:55] <ailo> I usually keep my files on a separate partition, like a data partition. This way, I don't need to touch them when I reinstall
[10:55] <alexxio> and configurations?
[10:55] <alexxio> do you have a separate /home too?
[10:56] <ailo> Nope. I use symbolic links to my home for those configs that I like to keep
[10:56] <ailo> But, if you want to save something specific, just backup those
[10:57] <alexxio> if i'm on recovery boot and reestablish normal boot it goes, but if i do normal boot direcly from grub, it freezes :(
[10:58] <ailo> btw, you could try: apt-get install -f
[10:58] <ailo> But, I would just do a fresh install anyway
[11:10] <alexxio> k thank you


[01:18] <Bashing-om> !info dbconfig-mysql
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:09] <Bashing-om> Shift change Hiya lotuspsychje !
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> heya Bashing-om how are you today
[05:10] <Bashing-om> Oh, just peachy keen fine . All look'n brite this day . And your side ?
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> all great here
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> day off today :p
[05:19] <Bashing-om> It is amazing how the appreciation of a day off is when ya punching that clock !
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[05:30]  * Bashing-om still luxuriating in *NOT* punching that clock ( subject to change ) .
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> dax: ive seen alot of hibernate issues + ubuntu in main, would it be interesting for a !hibernate debug trigger?
[06:21] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I need to call it a night . ya mind taking over for Argen if/when he shows back up ? login loop  367 driver should have installed from PPA, need to verify the .Xauthoruty and .ICEauthority files .
[06:54] <ducasse> good morning all!
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse µ
[07:05] <ducasse> morning lotus, how are you?
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> great on this side
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> you?
[07:08] <ducasse> good, thanks. plugged an ssd into my laptop last night \o/
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> wich brand?
[07:09] <ducasse> a cheapo kingston, just because i had one lying around. still much better, though.
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> booting fastly now?
[07:10] <ducasse> *everything* is fast now :)
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> on i3?
[07:12] <ducasse> i3, yes. copied my old config over and installed yakkety. had some problems with the wifi driver, but it's kind of fixed.
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> nice
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> i read unity8 still got alot of issues
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> so sticking with xenial here
[07:13] <ducasse> yakkety will still use 7, 8 will only be an optional preview thing
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:14] <ducasse> the convergence thing could be interesting, if only someone makes devices with ubuntu
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> its about time a manufacturer starts with ubuntu
[07:16] <ducasse> maybe one of the chinese will, like huawei or zte
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> i hope its something decent
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: anyhow, ubuntu sites says there's a device comming
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> but how and when..
[07:18] <ducasse> oh? what kind and from where?
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> they dont mention
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> https://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices
[07:27] <ducasse> "coming soon"...
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> :p
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> breakfast time guys
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> have a good one!
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:16] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[12:27] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj + pauljw
[12:27] <pauljw> hey ducasse
[12:27] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse
[12:27] <ducasse> all well with you?
[12:28] <pauljw> good here
[12:28] <pauljw> you
[12:29] <ducasse> messing with fonts, otherwise good :)
[12:29] <BluesKaj> fine here as well
[12:32] <BluesKaj> mucking about with rpi3 again . trying find an OS that suits the tde -trinity desktop that doesn't leave too many crumbs behind when I substitute the TDE desktop for the existing one
[19:24] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset


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