[12:16] <Karti> su-hoens`rZ: I must admit that I am a hardware raid fan
[12:16] <Karti> _da in the UK
[12:16] <su-hoens`rZ> Karti well tbh i am too, which is why i got this mobo
[12:16] <_da> wow...
[12:16] <su-hoens`rZ> should have done more research :(
[12:16] <Ace2016> hardware problem? not usual for drives to show up especially if they are identical drives
[12:16] <_da> , I'm from Texas.USA
[12:17] <Karti> su-hoens`rZ: sorry can't really help you there...
[12:17] <vzduch> _da: this channel is NOT US only :)
[12:17] <Karti> _da: and its near my bed time!
[12:17] <Assid> err.. anyone know the package update-menus come with?
[12:17] <vzduch> Assid: ?
[12:18] <Assid> its a command
[12:18] <_da> Karti ty
[12:18] <_da> vzduch,ok ty
[12:19] <Karti> _da: No probs....
[12:19] <vzduch> Assid: your talk no sense makes, young padawan ;)
[12:19] <killown|away> how do i do to get kde4 beta 1 on apt-get?
[12:20] <Ace2016> killown|away: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php
[12:20] <Karti> killown|away: you coould use apt-cache search perhaps
[12:20] <vzduch> killown|away: you're away, so how can you ask that question? :D
[12:20] <Ace2016> is that what your after?
[12:20] <vzduch> Ace2016: I guess it isn't.. KDE4 beta1 == 3.92.0
[12:20] <chuck> !ftp
[12:20] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[12:21] <killown|away> Ace2016, I want kde4 beta1
[12:22] <Dragnslcr> killown|away- it's in the same backports repository
[12:22] <vzduch> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta1.php
[12:22] <Dragnslcr> If you install kde4, you'll be able to upgrade as soon as the packages are available to you
[12:23] <Ace2016> oh it was only released today
[12:23] <Ace2016> i wonder if debian sid has them
[12:23] <killown|away> vzduch, I want kde 4 beta1 on kubuntu apt-get
[12:23] <killown|away> 0.o
[12:24] <vzduch> killown|away: it's in the article, read it
[12:24] <killown|away> ohhh my god
[12:26] <vzduch> ah, it's not in this article, it seems.. I had it from somewhere else
[12:26] <vzduch> from a not yet published article on kubuntu.org
[12:27] <vzduch> killown|away: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[12:28] <killown|away> vzduch, thanks a lot
[12:28] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[12:29] <Ace2016> wow taht was fast
[12:29] <Assid> ?
[12:29] <NetSKaVeN> anyone trying KDE 4 in Feisty?
[12:29] <nzk> I want to.
[12:29] <Ace2016> i'm just wondering but is this really ready for backports???
[12:30] <Assid> isnt it still beta
[12:30] <nzk> How do I set screen lock when closed in KDE3?
[12:30] <NetSKaVeN> in backports is the Alpha 2 now
[12:30] <Ace2016> since backports are for gusty and kde isn't going to be finished by the release of gusty is it?
[12:31] <Karti> nzk: do you mean lock th escreen?
[12:32] <Ace2016> nzk: right click on the desktop > lock session
[12:32] <Hub441> hoi!
[12:32] <Ace2016> hi
[12:32] <Dragnslcr> Ace2016- KDE4 should be at RC for the 7.10 release
[12:33] <Dragnslcr> KDE3 will still be the default for a while though
[12:33] <Karti> Ace2016: or my favouite - Ctrl+Alt+L
[12:33] <Ace2016> :(
[12:33] <vzduch> KDE4 is expected to become default in Gutsy+2
[12:34] <Ace2016> oh
[12:34] <Mo0oSaH> vzduch: Gutsy+ 2 meaning another year or so?
[12:34] <Ace2016> ctrl+l wipes the screen in konversation :(
[12:34] <vzduch> Mo0oSaH: yep, 7.10
[12:34] <vzduch> err.. 8.10
[12:34] <Dragnslcr> 8.10
[12:34] <Sanne> wise decision
[12:34] <Dragnslcr> 8.04 is an LTS version
[12:34] <Mo0oSaH> that's weak =(
[12:34] <vzduch> hi Sanne :)
[12:34] <bonesss> guys, i still got problems for to try install flash in my firefox 64
[12:34] <Ace2016> can't wait for 10.10
[12:35] <Karti> Ctrl+Alt+L
[12:35] <Ace2016> lts versions suck
[12:35] <Karti> getting late, night all....
[12:35] <Ace2016> all the software is old and sucks
[12:35] <Dragnslcr> Man, I hope my speakers aren't fried
[12:35] <Dragnslcr> Headphones work, and I haven't touched any sound configuration since last night
[12:35] <Ace2016> Dragnslcr: plug them into a cd player's headphone socket
[12:36] <vzduch> Ozark Henry \o/
[12:36] <bonesss> anyone can help me?
[12:36] <Dragnslcr> I don't think I have a regular audio cable anywhere. I use the optical output for my speakers
[12:36] <Sanne> hi vzduch :)
[12:37] <Dragnslcr> Which means I'd have to find someone else with a system with optical output to test my speakers on
[12:37] <Dragnslcr> Or coaxial
[12:37] <Ace2016> ooo sounds expensive
[12:40] <Dragnslcr> The speakers? They cost me about $300, but that must have been 7 years ago now
[12:41] <Dragnslcr> Unfortunately, a decent set is still almost that much
[12:41] <Ace2016> ebay
[12:42] <vzduch>  bedtime.. good night :)
[12:43] <Sanne> night vzduch
[12:43] <tofu> ola a todos
[12:44] <vzduch> !pt | tofu
[12:44] <ubotu> tofu: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[12:49] <chuck> !nfs
[12:49] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[12:51] <chuck> is nfs generally the easiest way to share files between two locally connected ubuntu machines?
[12:55] <sfire> is anyone else having problems with kopete?  All of a sudden it crashes every time I log into one of my yahoo accounts.  But works with everything else.
[12:56] <sfire> I ended up switching to gaim but that can't do webcams :(
[12:56] <Hub441> /wc
[12:57] <Ahmuck> hi, i need help getting my wireless working on my laptop
[12:57] <sfire> Ahmuck: have you checked the ndiswrapper gui tools?
[12:58] <sfire> thats how I got mine working.. You will need a un-compressed copy of the windows xp/2000 driver
[12:58] <Ahmuck> i don't know what your talking about :-(
[12:58] <Ahmuck> i'm kinda lost when it comes to ndiswrapper
[12:58] <sfire> go into adept and type ndiswrapper
[12:59] <sfire> you want ndisgtk, ndiswrapper-common, and ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[12:59] <sfire> use the ndisgtk tool to get it working and its a snap
[12:59] <Ahmuck> Error: no versions of ndiswrapper found!
[12:59] <Ahmuck> oh, ok, will get it
[01:00] <sfire> adept is the software installer (just so you know)
[01:01] <Ahmuck> ok, got it
[01:01] <Ahmuck> ndiswrapper -i ?
[01:01] <sfire> ???
[01:01] <sfire> I use the gui tool.. never done it from the command prompt
[01:02] <sfire> I know you can do it without that tool though
[01:03] <sfire> but anyway.. back to my problem.. anyone having trouble with kopete and yahoo messenger?
[01:03] <ruzzz> i bad speak english but i want! ))))))))))
[01:04] <Ahmuck> sfire i use gaim
[01:04] <sfire> Ahmuck: yea.. I'm stuck with gaim right now :(   I hate gaim though
[01:05] <Aranel> Hi, I wanting upgrade to Gutsy Alpha3 from Kubuntu 7.04, this is a good idea or bad idea ?
[01:08] <nicolai_> !ru | ruzzz
[01:08] <ubotu> ruzzz:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[01:09] <Ahmuck> Aranel: i consider it a bad idea
[01:10] <Aranel> Ahmuck: why? Gutsy have a big problems ?
[01:10] <nicolai_> Aranel: it is not meant for prodution machines
[01:11] <Ahmuck> Aranel: i have problems with regular releases sometimes, i'm always fraid of a *buntu beta
[01:11] <nicolai_> Aranel: meaning you should expect many bugs in an alpha or beta release
[01:12] <Aranel> nicolai_: Ahmuck: umm, ok, I'm scared :P
[01:12] <tank71> Well I guess this would be my first really stupid question (many more to come dont worrie)- How can I hide a program? like make it go to the tray?
[01:13] <nicolai_> Aranel: If it is possible for you to have Gutsy on a separate partition, you wouldn't really have to worry, but if you could work with only a Gutsy alpha, then you would already know.
[01:15] <Aranel> nicolai_: what about RC ? When i can use it :)
[01:15] <Ahmuck> sfire: so how do you use the gui?
[01:15] <Ahmuck> er, where do you get the gui to ndiswrapper?
[01:16] <nicolai_> tank71: all programs
[01:17] <nicolai_> Aranel: If you wish. but unless you plan to submit potential bugs, it would be wisest to wait for the final release or a few days before.
[01:17] <nicolai_> Aranel: it is always to at least one operating system on one computer that is trustworthy. :)
[01:18] <Ahmuck> tank, what tray?  the quick launch, the task bar, or in the corner as an icon?
[01:19] <tank71> I think I got it
[01:19] <tank71> thanks a lot though
[01:19] <Ahmuck> kewl, first time on kubuntu tank71
[01:19] <Ahmuck> ?
[01:19] <tank71> yup...
[01:19] <Aranel> nicolai_: wait.. wait.. wait.. boring :P
[01:19] <tank71> had it installed for about 5 minutes lol
[01:19] <nicolai_> Aranel: Sorry, getting sleepy. I meant " it is always good to have"
[01:20] <Aranel> nicolai_: what about final release ? when i can use this ? October ?
[01:20] <nicolai_> Aranel: you could always install gutsy alpha on an external harddrive :P
[01:20] <nicolai_> Aranel: October 18th
[01:20] <tank71> anyone feel to explain work spaces to me?
[01:20] <Aranel> nicolai_: ok thanks, i think i'll wait :)
[01:21] <Level15> tank71: workspaces? you mean desktops?
[01:21] <nicolai_> Aranel: And KDE 4.0 on October 23rd :P
[01:21] <Level15> nicolai_: i don't think kde is going to be ontime :(
[01:21] <tank71> far right coner
[01:21] <shadowhywind> hay allhaving a problem, again. I just noticed that my swap is not being mounted at bootup but (swapon command works). Any ideas?
[01:22] <nicolai_> Level15: They're only about to days late so far ;)
[01:22] <Level15> shadowhywind: device not accesible at booot time maybe?
[01:22] <Aranel> nicolai_: when we use kde4 ? October 23 ? November ? do you know ? :)
[01:22] <shadowhywind> umm shouldn't be, it is on the same harddrive afterall
[01:22] <Level15> nicolai_: dunno, last alpha was about a week late AFAIR
[01:23] <nicolai_> Aranel: when KDE 4.0 comes out, it should be available for install on gutsy and an unofficial Kubuntu CD will be releasedre
[01:23] <Aranel> nicolai_: hmm, ok , thanks for answers :)
[01:23] <nicolai_> Aranel: But officialy KDE 4.2 for 8.10 would be a good guess.
[01:24] <Aranel> nicolai_: 8.10 ? 2008 .. That's a nightmare for me :)
[01:24] <nicolai_> Level15: Tagging and release seems to have quite an interval. :P
[01:24] <Biovore> Aranel: 8.10 is gusty + 1 isn't it..
[01:25] <nicolai_> Biovore: Gutsy = 7.10, Gutsy + 1 = 8.04, Gutsy +2 = 8.10
[01:25] <Level15> i want my KDE4 pretty bad
[01:26] <Aranel> nicolai_: Gutsy + 2. wow :)
[01:26] <nicolai_> Level15: We all do, we all do... :P
[01:26] <Biovore> ok..
[01:26] <Level15> i don;t feel like using that compiz thingy...
[01:27] <Level15> i remember the days in which i wanted KDE2 so bad that i installed some beta release on slackware 7... it crashed a lot, but i kept it because it looked much better than kde1 :)
[01:27] <nicolai_> I'm downloading the KDE 4.0 beta now. It is pretty much the only reason I'm not sleeping at the moment.
[01:27] <Level15> nicolai_: what time is it wherever you live?
[01:27] <nicolai_> Level15: 1:27 :/
[01:28] <nicolai_> Level15: But I got home from a movie at midnight, so it's not so bad
[01:28] <Level15> holy s*ht :P
[01:28] <Level15> that puts you somewhere around france, i guess
[01:28] <nicolai_> Level15: Copenhagen, Denmark. But close :P
[01:29] <nicolai_> Same timezone, i believe
[01:29] <Level15> probably
[01:29] <Level15> hm
[01:29] <Level15> wait
[01:29] <Level15> do you have summertime?
[01:29] <nicolai_> Jep
[01:30] <Level15> you are GMT+0 then, i think... and on summer, GMT+1
[01:30] <Level15> no?
[01:30] <familiaok> what do you think about easy ubuntu?
[01:30] <Dragnslcr> 01:30 now would be GMT+2
[01:30] <kosch_zZzZ> i thought GMT is GMT - if summer or not :)
[01:30] <nicolai_> Level15: I thought I was always GMT+1
[01:31] <kosch_zZzZ> nicolai_ i think so too
[01:31] <Level15> nicolai_: hm, ok, maybe i'm wrong... i'm just trying to guess based on how long ahead of me you are :)
[01:31] <kosch_zZzZ> Berlin e.g. is GMT +1
[01:32] <elite101> yeah i just did a re-install now i am for sure not going to ever install limewire
[01:32] <elite101> with out installing java first
[01:32] <Level15> elite101: lol
[01:32] <kosch_zZzZ> its definetly 1:32 at GMT+1 = CET
[01:32] <nicolai_> Level15: USA is GMT-5 to GMT-8?
[01:32] <Level15> dunno, i'm not in USA :)
[01:32] <elite101> yeah
[01:32] <elite101> rite on
[01:32] <nicolai_> Canada then? :P
[01:32] <Level15> nicolai_: yes
[01:33] <kosch_zZzZ> http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/de/media/4/4b/timezones.png
[01:33] <nicolai_> A lot of Canadians in this Channel it seems
[01:33] <nicolai_> Are you all from Toronto?
[01:33] <Level15> reallly? who else?
[01:33] <kosch_zZzZ> timezones are not really easy topic
[01:33] <kosch_zZzZ> :)
[01:33] <yurimxpxman> I can't get my locale to change for some reason <http://yurimxpxman.dyndns.org/paste>. Any ideas? :?
[01:33] <Level15> no, I'm in Regina
[01:34] <elite101> canada rite?
[01:34] <elite101> Canadian-EliTe_HAxOr_101
[01:34] <elite101> :P
[01:34] <elite101> no not toronto
[01:34] <elite101> from welland ontario prob the only person in welland using linux/kubuntu
[01:34] <nicolai_> Level15: I don't remember, they just seem to be 80% of active people yesterday. :P
[01:34] <nicolai_> *seemed
[01:34] <Level15> lol!
[01:35] <Level15> elite101: haha!
[01:35] <elite101> welland ehh such a small town :P
[01:35] <Level15> i think i'm going to move to kubuntu x86
[01:35] <killown|away> hi
[01:35] <Level15> elite101: how many people over there?
[01:36] <lwh> theres probably thousands of people there using it
[01:36] <killown|away> dolphin file manager has languague packs support?
[01:36] <Biovore> killown|away: It will when its complete..
[01:36] <nicolai_> Fun fact: The current president of KDE is also a Canadian
[01:37] <Mo0oSaH> lol
[01:37] <Level15> hehe!
[01:37] <kosch_zZzZ> in cannada is much better weedsmoking than us :P
[01:37] <Level15> kosch_zZzZ: for that you might want Holland or something like that :P
[01:37] <kosch_zZzZ> not far away from my place
[01:38] <kosch_zZzZ> :P
[01:38] <nicolai_> We used to be pretty good at it too with Christiania, until the government closed it down.
[01:38] <kosch_zZzZ> so - really get some sleep now
[01:38] <kosch_zZzZ> good night dudes
[01:38] <Level15> kosch_zZzZ: rest
[01:39] <nicolai_> I can wait the ten more minutes for the download to finish
[01:39] <Level15> nicolai_: what are you downloading?
[01:39] <nicolai_> KDE 4.0 beta
[01:40] <elite101> omg u have to register for ##windows channel now?
[01:40] <fuel> !adeptfix
[01:40] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:40] <Level15> nicolai_: i got some livecd for that but didn't play much with it
[01:40] <nicolai_> I'm downloading the live-cd :P
[01:40] <Level15> elite101: windows channel?
[01:40] <nicolai_> Just to get my fix :)
[01:40] <elite101> yeah
[01:40] <Level15> i'm going to spam them ;)
[01:40] <Level15> (jk)
[01:40] <elite101> for IRC
[01:41] <nicolai_> elite101: I got in no hazzle
[01:41] <Level15> nicolai_: suse kde4 cd?
[01:41] <elite101> no they run linux too. just because the run windows doesnt mean there all fan-boys and love windows
[01:41] <elite101> lol its my nickname then
[01:41] <nicolai_> Level15: yep
[01:41] <elite101> sorry nvm
[01:41] <elite101> my nickname is registerd under me but i dont know how to make it mine again?
[01:41] <Level15> nicolai_: it doesn't have the new UI desings, so it looks pretty much the same...
[01:42] <Level15> elite101: /msg nickserv identify mypass
[01:42] <nicolai_> Level15: it seems a waste to abandon it now, though
[01:42] <Level15> nicolai_: yeah, it's almost done
[01:42] <elite101> okay
[01:42] <elite101> so then that will sign me in?
[01:42] <Level15> nicolai_: what's your speed?
[01:42] <nicolai_> Level15: I do not trust Firefox for recovering a download
[01:42] <Level15> elite101: hm, what do you mean?
[01:42] <Level15> nicolai_: have you seen flashgot?
[01:43] <elite101> i will do it in my own channel lol :P i have a password for everything and its the same i dont want anyone to know it
[01:43] <nicolai_> Level15: 210 KB/s
[01:43] <nicolai_> so 2 mbits
[01:43] <Level15> nicolai_: flashgot is nice for firefox
[01:43] <Level15> you can then have kget downloading stuff
[01:44] <elite101> somone is in my channel
[01:44] <elite101> and is opp lol
[01:44] <elite101> how did this happen?
[01:44] <elite101> #elitechannel
[01:44] <elite101> i thought that was my channel
[01:44] <elite101> :P
[01:44] <Level15> maybe you can kick him... dunno how though
[01:44] <Dragnslcr> Did you register it with chanserv?
[01:44] <nicolai_> elite101: your nick is your channel
[01:45] <elite101> lol
[01:45] <elite101> yeah
[01:45] <elite101> i made it like 2weeks ago that channel where me and my friends go and chat
[01:45] <Dragnslcr> If you registered it with chanserv, you can use chanserv to op yourself
[01:45] <nicolai_> elite101: The realinsane were here yesterday :)
[01:45] <elite101> but now someone "owns" it with op. !! im supposed to have that
[01:45] <elite101> yeah lol his nick is insane`KDE
[01:46] <elite101> but now he wont give me my own op when i get it/ im going to kickbanhim @domain
[01:46] <elite101> because i discuss passwords and stuff sometimes
[01:46] <nicolai_> elite101: Hey, easy now :)
[01:46] <elite101> lol
[01:46] <Level15> elite101: BAD idea... your connection to the IRC server is NOT encrypted...
[01:47] <elite101> i know
[01:47] <elite101> not like bank.com my PIN # is
[01:47] <Level15> lol
[01:47] <elite101> like simple passwords with my friends to like uploaded files
[01:47] <elite101> and such
[01:47] <Dragnslcr> elite101- what's the name of the channel?
[01:47] <elite101> be he is in it
[01:47] <Level15> i see
[01:47] <elite101> #elitechannel
[01:47] <elite101> xD
[01:47] <elite101> lol
[01:47] <elite101> he has been idle for 1hour xD
[01:48] <Dragnslcr> [19:47]  -ChanServ-      Channel: #elitechannel
[01:48] <Dragnslcr> [19:47]  -ChanServ-      Contact: Insane`KDE, last seen: 7 hours 16 minutes 16 seconds ago
[01:48] <Dragnslcr> Looks like you didn't register it with chanserv
[01:48] <Dragnslcr> So it isn't your channel
[01:48] <parsnip> hi guys
[01:48] <parsnip> when kubuntu boots up
[01:49] <parsnip> and you get the blue progress bar
[01:49] <parsnip> can you turn that up so you can watch the services startup etc
[01:49] <Level15> parsnip: edit menu.lst
[01:50] <nicolai_> Goodnight everybody
[01:50] <Insane`KDE> Hey does anybody know an end-level global equalizer for kubuntu?
[01:50] <mike_> I find Kubuntu locks up when shutting down?
[01:50] <tank71> lets say I wanted to open a port...how would I go about that?
[01:51] <Level15> tank71: like a tcp port?
[01:51] <tank71> ya
[01:51] <Level15> any particular service?
[01:51] <phitoo> Hello everyone!
[01:51] <tank71> nope
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> hello
[01:51] <Level15> tank71: just "open it"? dunno, maybe nc can do it
[01:52] <tank71> nc as in?
[01:52] <elite101> i already regesterd my nick?
[01:52] <phitoo> I am just running Adept Updater and I see that Upstart is to be removed. I'm surprised. Anywhere I can find more info?
[01:52] <tank71> ok...well thanks
[01:52] <elite101> i already registerd my nick how do i "sign in"
[01:53] <Level15> tank71: haven't really used it much... try man nc
[01:53] <Level15> yep, nc can do it
[01:53] <Level15> nc -l -p portnumber
[01:53] <elite_hacker> um gunna have to register this one now :P
[01:55] <elite_hacker> arrg i dont have channel op. on #elitechannel
[01:55] <mike_> kubuntu gives a blank scren on shut down?
[01:55] <elite_hacker> #elite_hacker
[01:55] <elite_hacker> how do i register a channel?
[01:55] <Level15> elite_hacker: /help register
[01:55] <Mo0oSaH> elite_hacker: I just joined =)
[01:56] <Level15> ok that doesn't work
[01:56] <elite_hacker> heheh
[01:56] <elite_hacker> lol noit doesnt
[01:56] <Level15> elite_hacker: /msg chanserv help works better :)
[01:57] <elite_hacker> doesnt work
[01:57] <Level15> yes it does
[01:58] <Level15> it tells you how to register etc
[01:58] <Insane`KDE> Does anybody know of any sort of global equalizer?
[01:58] <killown|away> dpkg-buildpackage kde  dont get all files to compile..
[01:58] <killown|away> anyone can help?
[01:59] <killown|away> ops
[01:59] <killown|away> apt-get source kde
[02:00] <Level15> anyone knows *anything* about masonry?
[02:00] <Level15> but i mean, facts...
[02:04] <jhutchins> Level15: You talkin' freemasonry or building stuff?
[02:04] <Level15> jhutchins: freemasonry
[02:04] <jhutchins> Level15: Yep,
[02:04] <jhutchins> Level15: Both, actually.
[02:04] <dougb> hey, i set the time to be in am/pm, but the clock on the bottom panel isn't reflecting that change
[02:05] <jhutchins> dougb: Did you log out and log back in?
[02:05] <Level15> jhutchins: could you please tell me a couple of facts? my brother told me he was joining and i want to know if be happy for him or start worrying...
[02:06] <jhutchins> Level15: Sure, join kubuntu-offtopic
[02:06] <jhutchins> #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:16] <Insane`KDE> I've searched a bit but I couldn't find anything. Again, does anybody know anything about a Linux end-level global equalizer?
[02:16] <Level15> Insane`KDE: nope
[02:16] <phitoo>  I am just running Adept Updater and I see that Upstart is to be removed. (upstart, upstart-compat-sysv, upstart-logd are to be removed and sysvinit, sysvinit-utils are to be installed). I can't find anything about this on the upstart home nor on the mailing-list archives for July. Does anyone have any info? page
[02:16] <Level15> maybe you can achieve something like that through arts, but not sure
[02:17] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: Global Equalizer?  Is that anything to do with World Domination?
[02:18] <Level15> HAHAHA
[02:18] <Level15> NWO :P
[02:19] <owner_> #xubuntu
[02:20] <Level15> owner_:  what about it?
[02:21] <Insane`KDE> jhutchins: Nah :P. Just sound equalizer ^^. Basically I want to turn up the abss a bit for ALL sounds, not just amarok
[02:22] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: kmix.
[02:23] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: Makes a nice little volume controll applet too.
[02:25] <Insane`KDE> I have Kmix but I can't seem to find an equalizer setting anywhere
[02:26] <Level15> kmix shows the channels available on your sound card... if it doesn't show anything related to bass and treble, your soundcard doesn't support that, at least not in hardware
[02:26] <out> how does one copy a DVD?
[02:27] <Insane`KDE> No my hardware doesn't support it, which is why I need software for it
[02:28] <Insane`KDE> The thing is, my 2.1 doesn't have an extra subwoofer line, it just uses hardware to get it's line from the normal input, so I can't set it manually
[02:28] <Insane`KDE> I need to set it (lowest 2 lines) in teh equalizer manually
[02:29] <Insane`KDE> This works quite well, but only for programs that have one, such as amarok. The problem is, I want to do the same for all global sounds
[02:30] <Insane`KDE> GRawlrghy!! I found many apps but they're all windows-only
[02:30] <out> ubotu, can you copy a DVD using Ubuntu 7.04?
[02:31] <Level15> out try k3b
[02:32] <Level15> Insane`KDE: there *might* be some arts applications which do that
[02:32] <Insane`KDE> Level15 arts?
[02:32] <winbond> i want to install kde4, do i need to install kde4base, kde4base-dev or both?
[02:33] <Level15> Insane`KDE: yep... arts is the kde2 and kde3 sound system
[02:33] <Insane`KDE> Level15 Now that tells me nothing..
[02:33] <Level15> winbond: kde4base should be enough, unless you want to compile stuff
[02:33] <Insane`KDE> Level15: Where can I access/configure it?
[02:33] <Level15> Insane`KDE: let me see if i can find a package name for you
[02:35] <xtrmclmb> bye
[02:37] <Level15> Insane`KDE: try artscontrol, though it might work or not depending on your sound card as well...
[02:39] <Insane`KDE> Level15: Couldn't find package artscontrol
[02:39] <Level15> no i think it should already be installed with other package
[02:39] <Level15> try tu run it from command line
[02:39] <Insane`KDE> Oh
[02:39] <Insane`KDE> duh
[02:40] <Insane`KDE> Ah, the package is called "artsbuilder"
[02:40] <Level15> no that's for midi thing i think
[02:40] <Level15> not sure, though
[02:42] <Ahmuck> !wifi
[02:42] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:42] <Ahmuck> !wireless
[02:42] <Ahmuck> !broadcom
[02:43] <Ahmuck> how do i find out what wireless card i have?
[02:43] <Insane`KDE> Damnit right, it seems to be MIDI-only
[02:43] <Level15> Ahmuck: lspci or lsusb if it's an USB device
[02:44] <Insane`KDE> But when running artscontrol it told me "package not installed. You can get it with sudo apt-get install artsbuilder"
[02:44] <Level15> hm
[02:44] <Level15> well try that, then try running artscontrol
[02:44] <winbond> Level15: ty
[02:45] <Insane`KDE> I did
[02:45] <Insane`KDE> It gives me the MIDI-only arts manager
[02:45] <Level15> hm sorry then, out of ideas
[02:46] <Insane`KDE> Graghr
[02:47] <Insane`KDE> Hmmm...
[02:47] <Insane`KDE> Glachl, ni #arts !?
[02:47] <Insane`KDE> *no
[02:47] <ice9> hmm has anyone installed the kde4.0 beta yet
[02:47] <Insane`KDE> No idea
[02:47] <Insane`KDE> What is it? *dunce*
[02:48] <Insane`KDE> apt-cache policy tells me I have no version of KDE installed which truly wonders me..
[02:49] <Level15> hehe
[02:49] <acr> hi. I just installed kubuntu on a friends laptop. At first, everything was good but once he took it home network manager would no longer see wireless networks and it says he's always connected to a wired network, even if he's not. I took it home and it can't see my wireless network either.  Lately I'm listening to more Black Metal or otherwise Hrdcore techno :P
[02:51] <Level15> Insane`KDE: i like the elvenpath
[02:51] <Level15> it's really good
[02:51] <Level15> AAMOF
[02:51] <Level15> i think i'll play it now
[02:52] <Insane`KDE> Hang on, brb emptying my USB
[02:52] <Level15> ok
[02:54] <Insane`KDE> Back.. anybody know what I mean with USB?
[02:54] <MarcC> my trash bin won't empty...is there a command line way to force it?
[02:54] <Level15> Insane`KDE: USB memory?
[02:54] <Level15> MarcC: cd + rm :P
[02:55] <Insane`KDE> Nah
[02:55] <Insane`KDE> Urine and Shit Buffer
[02:55] <MarcC> Level15 cd where, where is the trash folder?
[02:55] <Level15> lol!
[02:55] <ice9> I'm updating kdebase-dev right now
[02:55] <ice9> for kde 4.0
[02:56] <phoenixz> Hi there, In Fedora I used VIM, which was vi but with color, it remmembered last position in the file after closing, and had some other nice features.. vim on kubuntu, however, looks like plain old vi.. is there some cooler vim for kubuntu?
[02:56] <ice9> I just want to see plasma
[02:56] <Level15> MarcC: i think .local/share/Trash
[02:57] <Level15> phoenixz: yeah, vim after you set your settings ;)
[02:58] <phoenixz> Level15, right... what settings where?
[02:58] <MarcC> Level15, thanks - what's the rm syntax? I tried rm -rf * but that just made my screen blank
[02:58] <Insane`KDE> Oh yeah, anybody know how I can check my partition sizes?
[02:58] <Insane`KDE> I want to know how much space I got left
[02:59] <Level15> phoenixz: color is some vim command like set syntax or something... dunno the rest. i'm not too much of a vim fan
[02:59] <ice9> lol how do I change kwin
[02:59] <MarcC> Insane`KDE: I installed the Sysinfo:// thingy from kde-apps.org for that
[02:59] <Level15> MarcC: rm -rf on what directory???
[02:59] <phoenixz> Level15, okay, let me check in the vim channel
[02:59] <Level15> Insane`KDE: df -h
[02:59] <MarcC> Level15: j/k ...but really, what's the syntax
[03:00] <Level15> well, just rm and the file(s)...
[03:00] <Insane`KDE> kewl
[03:00] <Level15> like rm myPorn.gif :P
[03:00] <Insane`KDE> 18 G linux partition, 2.8 used :D
[03:00] <MarcC> Level15: but I want to rm all files in that folder at once
[03:01] <Level15> cd to the folder, then rm *
[03:01] <Level15> avoid that -rf unless you *know* what you are doing
[03:01] <winbond> im insalling kde4 and it sais run "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/libexport" but gives me export command not found, how do i fix it ?
[03:01] <Level15> my /usr only has 133 MB free :P
[03:02] <WaxyFresh>  argh me maties!im Kaptain of the good ship fiesty,and kicker seams to have walked the plank.but my ships logs claim hes still aboard vessel.any ideas on how to bring this stowaway out of hiding?
[03:02] <intelikey> i have a question about job control,   howto move a process to a different tty ?
[03:02] <Insane`KDE> rofl: "-h --human-readable: display sizes in human readable format"
[03:03] <Level15> intelikey: man screen
[03:03] <intelikey> Level15 not screen  venella console
[03:03] <Sanne> Insane`KDE: try with: df -h
[03:03] <Insane`KDE> Sanne: Did already :P
[03:03] <Insane`KDE> !arts
[03:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about arts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:04] <Insane`KDE> !info arts
[03:04] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[03:04] <Sanne> Insane`KDE: :)
[03:04] <Insane`KDE> OMFG
[03:04] <Insane`KDE> It's 3:00 am already and I wanted to go to sleep at 11 pm
[03:05] <Level15> intelikey: don't think it's posible
[03:05] <WaxyFresh> so noone knows how to fix kicker?
[03:05] <Level15> killall kicker; kicker :P
[03:06] <intelikey> Level15  i don't pay you to tell me what i can't do, i pay you to tell me how to do it,   you're fired!
[03:06] <intelikey> :)
[03:06] <Level15> intelikey: you weren't paying me anyway ;)
[03:06] <Insane`KDE> So it's mutual now?
[03:06] <MarcC> synergy is the coolest
[03:06] <intelikey> yeah but that's beside the point
[03:06] <Level15> HAHAH
[03:06] <WaxyFresh> Level15: no luck
[03:07] <WaxyFresh> i kill -9d kicker and restarted it but it still hiding
[03:07] <Level15> WaxyFresh: well, you could log out, rm -rf .kde, log back in... you should get a clean kde config, but only if you can afford /don't mind to lose all other config...
[03:08] <intelikey> rm -r ~/.kde
[03:08] <Ahmuck> ok, so i have Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) ... how do i get that working in linux
[03:09] <WaxyFresh> are there any other menu bars i can install?kooldoc dosent like me for some reason,i think it filled a restraining order actually
[03:09] <Level15> or find the exact setting which tells it to hide, then change it by hand
[03:09] <intelikey> or use kcontrol
[03:10] <intelikey> :)
[03:10] <winbond> im insalling kde4 and it sais run "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/libexport" but gives me export command not found, how do i fix it ?
[03:10] <Level15> intelikey: well, yeah, that should do as well... :P
[03:10] <intelikey> and it's    KCONTROL for the win .....
[03:10] <Insane`KDE> I think I'll /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:10] <Level15> "but then the dark lord learned the craft of ring making..."
[03:10] <Insane`KDE> OMG LOTR
[03:10] <Insane`KDE> and made ~the master ring~
[03:11] <Level15> part of the lyrics of the song as well
[03:11] <Insane`KDE> Get rammstein
[03:11] <WaxyFresh> and one OS to combine them all...
[03:11] <Level15> you know, you can think of VM as being the master ring :P and the OS running on them as the rings of power
[03:11] <Insane`KDE> one OS to rule them all, one os to find them. One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
[03:11] <Level15> heheh
[03:12] <Insane`KDE> LINUX
[03:12] <evri2> Gnome vs Kde
[03:12] <Insane`KDE> Harbinger of doom, it will stride through the gates of hell carying windows' head on a pike
[03:12] <intelikey> evri2 blackbox
[03:12] <Level15> evri2: Gnome = bad, KDE = good
[03:12] <Level15> hehehe
[03:12] <Insane`KDE> Lawl
[03:12] <Insane`KDE> ALL HAIL KDE
[03:12] <Level15> HAIL!
[03:13] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: you should cut the head of with a jagged vista cd
[03:13] <Insane`KDE> Anybody here play Kotor?
[03:13] <mneptok> Level15: please, no DE wars
[03:13] <sonhadorpr> Gnome is better
[03:13] <intelikey> evri2 i like these type questions,   what's the next one ?
[03:13] <Level15> mneptok: i thought this was a KDE channel, but ok... i didn't mean to
[03:13] <Insane`KDE> WaxyFresh: Nah, I'd rather shred the cd to bits
[03:13] <mneptok> (and it's "GNOME." all caps.) ;)
[03:13] <mneptok> Level15: DE wars are pointless no matter what the channel.
[03:13] <Insane`KDE> -__________________________-
[03:13] <intelikey> mneptok  gah no me
[03:14] <Insane`KDE> Beryl pwns all
[03:14] <intelikey> Insane`KDE runners
[03:14] <evri2> next one is KDE3 vs KDE4
[03:14] <Level15> HAHAH
[03:14] <Level15> i see something like Linux vs Mac coming...
[03:14] <arriesp> hi
[03:14] <Insane`KDE> KDE4,'cause, uh, IT'S NUMBER IS HIGHER!!!
[03:14] <evri2> and i didn't ask any questions :p
[03:14] <mneptok> no, it's "KDE3 using GPLv2 vs. KDE4 using GPLv3"
[03:15] <intelikey> evri2 fxce4
[03:15] <intelikey> next
[03:15] <WaxyFresh> -what ersin of kde does feisty use?
[03:15] <Insane`KDE> Windows Vista vs Mac Os X
[03:15] <evri2> xfce rolf
[03:15] <Insane`KDE> V for vista baby!
[03:15] <Level15> Insane`KDE: Mac OS X b/c a) it does those nifty tricks LONG AGO and b) it's UNIX
[03:15] <evri2> i am completely lost here
[03:15] <evri2> i have gnome but
[03:15] <arriesp> my k menu has disappeared...
[03:15] <intelikey> Insane`KDE http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38653
[03:15] <intelikey> runners              ^
[03:15] <evri2> kde looks better and have more apps
[03:16] <Insane`KDE> kde looks better?
[03:16] <Insane`KDE> Lies
[03:16] <WaxyFresh> arriesp: mine too,maybe they eloped
[03:16] <Insane`KDE> beryl looks better
[03:16] <evri2> rofl
[03:16] <evri2> ashudashd
[03:16] <evri2> compiz-fusion better for me
[03:16] <evri2> :p
[03:16] <Level15> compiz is just a WM, not a DE
[03:16] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: what ersion of kde does ubuntu fiesty use?
[03:16] <RadiantFire> 3.5.6
[03:16] <evri2> i currently using ubuntu but i am downloading kubuntu now.
[03:17] <sonhadorpr> the 4.0 should be coming out soon
[03:17] <evri2> there are more apps in kde i think
[03:17] <evri2> and it is
[03:17] <WaxyFresh> is it possible to upgrade to 4.0?
[03:17] <evri2> not think*
[03:17] <RadiantFire> and they do their job better
[03:17] <Level15> evri2: you can switch from ubuntu to kubunto just by installing some packages
[03:17] <arriesp> eloped?
[03:17] <evri2> yes i know but
[03:17] <arriesp> what is eloped?
[03:17] <WaxyFresh> thats becasue kde is sexy
[03:17] <evri2> some people said it will cause some bugs
[03:17] <intelikey> evri2 kde is a meta package that will install 'all of kde'
[03:17] <RadiantFire> WaxyFresh: you don't want to know, kde 4.0 is still partially in shambles, but Gutsy will be released with packages for 4.0 rc 2 or something
[03:17] <sonhadorpr> the apps are better....but I believe they are more of a hassle...a little more comlicated to install, and give many problems..
[03:18] <Insane`KDE> Pfff.. what is KDE 4 anyways? What's the difference?
[03:18] <evri2> intelikey i think clean install is always better
[03:18] <WaxyFresh> RadiantFire: what do you mean shambles?does it run witbout crashing?
[03:18] <RadiantFire> WaxyFresh: short answer... no
[03:18] <intelikey> evri2 clean install of what ?
[03:18] <WaxyFresh> RadiantFire: is the long answer yes?
[03:18] <Level15> Insane`KDE: composite manager is enough for me to move to kde4
[03:18] <RadiantFire> WaxyFresh: slightly longer answer, things run, but need kinks worked out
[03:18] <MarcC> hm...I wonder why my keyboard repeat rate and mouse speed need to be reset every once in a while :/
[03:18] <WaxyFresh> RadiantFire: im kinky,i can deal with it
[03:18] <Insane`KDE> I really think somebody should make an ultimate OS. Mac's originality, Vista's availability, Linux' 1337ness
[03:19] <RadiantFire> Insane`KDE: google for Pillars of KDE 4
[03:19] <evri2> well,in my opinion when i install KDE over this Gnome system,there will be some files left and new kde won't run as smooth as Kubuntu's Kde
[03:19] <CensorBard> !simplemu
[03:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about simplemu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:19] <WaxyFresh> mu is the chinese ideo gram for nothing
[03:19] <evri2> i tried that once in 6.06.1 or sth
[03:19] <intelikey> evri2 probably because you install kubuntu-desktop in sted of kde
[03:19] <evri2> i think it is not a good ide
[03:19] <evri2> idea*
[03:19] <RadiantFire> WaxyFresh: well, beta 1 was released today, it'll probably have some packages for kubuntu soon
[03:20] <Insane`KDE> Shit. My eyelids are starting to get tired
[03:20] <Level15> well, technically Mac would be that OS... i think... i mean, it's Unix (certified on their next release), and looks good... all you need is to have it on ealmost every computer around
[03:20] <Insane`KDE> But Mac sucks
[03:20] <Insane`KDE> It jsut does. Fact.
[03:20] <intelikey> having more than one *buntu-desktop is not the best of ideas,  no.
[03:20] <Level15> if i didn't have to buy their HW as well, i might at least give Mac a try
[03:21] <sonhadorpr> I still rather have an OS thats totally free!!
[03:21] <Level15> intelikey: that's true
[03:21] <Insane`KDE> Yay for osOS!
[03:21] <sonhadorpr> I liek MACS, better than Windows..
[03:21] <Pazy> Does this command let you redo the X-server from recovery console: Sudo dpkg-recovery xserver-xorg?
[03:21] <sonhadorpr> Im still trying to get used to GNOME, its kinda complicated
[03:21] <Insane`KDE> I like Windows out of the sole reason that it's so widely distributed
[03:21] <intelikey> that's why i advise installing either gnome or kde respectivly on the ubuntu or kubuntu install for the dubble DE-env
[03:22] <Insane`KDE> I mean, Linux is better and all, but search in the web. about 90% of everything you find is windows only
[03:22] <sonhadorpr> true..
[03:22] <Level15> yep...
[03:22] <Insane`KDE> Especially games
[03:22] <sonhadorpr> lets work on it being more available..
[03:22] <Level15> and sadly, linux desktop is not progressing that much...
[03:22] <Pazy> Linux has a better communuty though, if you need help theres always someone there
[03:22] <Insane`KDE> More or less..........................
[03:22] <sonhadorpr> I have a college prof that hates Windows, and he encourages, even gives students extra credit for changing to Ubuntu
[03:23] <Insane`KDE> LOL
[03:23] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: focalin is a great medicatin for those that get tired,completly erases the need for sleep
[03:23] <Pazy> Extra Credit? What if youve already changed
[03:23] <Insane`KDE> +1 grade for everybody using ubuntu
[03:23] <sonhadorpr> That is very true,....linux does have lotsa help....
[03:23] <intelikey> linux has a better EULA too
[03:23] <Insane`KDE> WaxyFresh: Where can I get it? ebay-black.com?
[03:23] <Level15> heheh
[03:23] <sonhadorpr> but...think about this..should it need so much hel, if it were easier to install, and update?
[03:23] <Pazy> I still dont read EULA's though so i dont care
[03:23] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: and its still unregulated in the us and a few other places
[03:23] <intelikey> but if you don't care to purger your self windows is fine....
[03:23] <sonhadorpr> he still gives it to you...
[03:23] <Insane`KDE> WaxyFresh: So what if I live in afghanistan?
[03:23] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: if your serius i can find you a trusted link
[03:24] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: not sure hold on
[03:24] <sonhadorpr> Thats why I did a dual-boot, not yet ready to give up Windows...still got the extra credit
[03:24] <Insane`KDE> Hmm.. on second thought, I don't think I'm old enough to blackhandle yet
[03:24] <Pazy> For the forseeable future gamers will need to dual boot though, until microsoft collapses unders its own weight
[03:24] <Level15> i can't leave windows... some of my hw won't work on linux
[03:24] <Pazy> Whats the command do? Sudo dpkg-recovery xserver-xorg
[03:24] <holycow> today i just added a new vid card to an xp box
[03:24] <sonhadorpr> I sincerely hope MS collapses.....Gates doesnt need to be so rich!
[03:25] <holycow> had to geton the phone and recertify or whatever goddamned xp
[03:25] <Insane`KDE> Linux to the power
[03:25] <sonhadorpr> Kinda like the movie AntiTrust
[03:25] <holycow> last time ever i touch one of those boxes
[03:25] <mardi> hi all, just updated and rebooted and it hangs at "Starting up..." after grub. Tried booting with "Recovery mode" and it hangs ACPI: Looking for DSDT in inittramfs....
[03:25] <intelikey> sonhadorpr install and upgrade ?    what did you have trubble with in the install process ?    most of the help is not "install" it's addon and eyecandy    some hardware support.
[03:25] <Insane`KDE> I use Linux for working, windows for gaming
[03:25] <Level15> btw... gotta use the webcam, so gotta reboot
[03:25] <arriesp> time to time
[03:25] <CensorBard> Kmuddy isn't working out for me. Can anyone suggest an alternative to SimpleMU that isn't TF?
[03:26] <Pazy> Im doing a college course come september, information technology, and I just know its Windoze, Windoze, Windoze. Then maybe a 1 lesson on Linux as a Server
[03:26] <sonhadorpr> well...I mean...I get on the ubuntu-es site, and everybody seems to be having some kind of problem trying to get their machines components to work with ubuntu
[03:26] <Insane`KDE> Only Winblows? That sucks, dawg
[03:26] <Insane`KDE> I have an idea:
[03:26] <sonhadorpr> either video cards, sound cards, memory, etc...dont work with ubuntu, they have to get some kind of patch, or try to install something...why doesnt ubuntu just work with no problems on eveything?
[03:26] <Insane`KDE> If Linux isn't so well distributed, maybe we can do that.
[03:27] <Insane`KDE> Let's bulk mail all windows users
[03:27] <Pazy> Suicide Bomb Redmond?
[03:27] <holycow> sonhadorpr: the truth of the matter is actually this: if they have problems they DIDN'T RESEARCH before installing
[03:27] <Insane`KDE> Pazy: Yah sure
[03:27] <holycow> thats 100% of the reason
[03:27] <savetheWorld> Pazy: Redmond will destroy itself. it needs no help. :-)
[03:27] <intelikey> sonhadorpr hmmm hardware issues.   well yeah that's where a lot of the supports goes    but you do realize that at last count linux supported more hardware than any other os
[03:27] <holycow> you can't just buy random shit and magically expect it to work, you need to know what you are buying and why
[03:27] <Pazy> Ive got a bunch of Ubuntu/Kubuntu disks and i tried to distrubute but no one wants em lol
[03:27] <Insane`KDE> Fun games enjoyed, some guy annoyed, north korean missiles DEPLOYED.
[03:27] <mardi> is there a kubuntu support channel?
[03:27] <holycow> its their fault they didn't do the research, if they did, no problems
[03:27] <holycow> plug stuff in, turn it on
[03:28] <holycow> its that simple
[03:28] <sonhadorpr> well...yes...thats why I like ubuntu, because you CAN find support, and its free!!!
[03:28] <sonhadorpr> unlike MS
[03:28] <Insane`KDE> Pazy: Force them to accept the kUbuntu disks then
[03:28] <Pazy> MS support is a six month waiting list
[03:28] <Insane`KDE> Make the edges sharp and throw them around
[03:28] <arriesp> holycow:  but you have to think not only to buy
[03:28] <sonhadorpr> I understand...I just think sometimes its really a little too complicated for the beginner user...
[03:28] <Littleboots> it is
[03:28] <Insane`KDE> Ms has support!!!
[03:28] <Insane`KDE> Microsoft Help and Support center!
[03:28] <arriesp> like me...
[03:28] <evri2> rolf
[03:28] <intelikey> sonhadorpr windows is too complicated for the beginner too
[03:28] <holycow> well microsoft help is the same as linux support ... its called google
[03:29] <Pazy> Insane KDE: Most people I know arent into computers and if they are they look at them and say 'myspace'
[03:29] <holycow> no ms user calls microsoft
[03:29] <evri2> First think that i do is disable that in windows :P
[03:29] <holycow> you just can't get through and it costs money
[03:29] <sonhadorpr> yes....but if you have a illegal copy of XP, theyll kill you!!!...hahahahahahaha
[03:29] <holycow> you can buy linux support and we have bought a support contract from canonical
[03:29] <Insane`KDE> I've survived so far
[03:29] <intelikey> sonhadorpr how many people that have never seen a computer before  can install and configure windows   without help ?
[03:29] <holycow> but frankly at the end of the day you just need a community of willing people to chime in and brainstorm
[03:29] <holycow> its really about 80% of the job
[03:29] <Littleboots> intelikey: they don't need to, the computer comes with it preloaded
[03:29] <Littleboots> thats where MS gets you
[03:30] <Pazy> Windows sucks for actually being helpful, Linux (mainly K/Ubuntu) is probably easier for a first time user
[03:30] <sonhadorpr> no...nobody...computer users that know nothing, will buy one thats pre-installed!!
[03:30] <Pazy> Anyone here tried the comps with ubuntu preloaded?
[03:30] <holycow> sonhadorpr: there is no such thing as an illegal copy of xp
[03:30] <Insane`KDE> "Ask for genuine microsoft software". Yah sure, as if I'd actually ask them if my pirated copy is genuine
[03:30] <holycow> there is an improperly licenced copy
[03:30] <intelikey> Littleboots you can by preloaded linux too
[03:30] <holycow> but you NEVER ACTUALLY OWN your xp box
[03:30] <holycow> microsoft does
[03:30] <sonhadorpr> But that what Im saying, even if systems came out pre-installed with ubuntu for beginner users...I still find it complicated
[03:30] <sonhadorpr> I have one
[03:30] <intelikey> Littleboots watery excuses
[03:30] <Littleboots> intelikey: yes, but on very few models
[03:30] <Insane`KDE> What if I hacked and reverse engineered xp?
[03:30] <holycow> if you read the eula, they have the rigght to log into your system and install anything they want
[03:30] <Littleboots> and no its not
[03:30] <holycow> you don't own anything
[03:30] <Pazy> I own my box, I custom built and stole XP rofl
[03:30] <MarcC> Pazy: I own such a comp
[03:31] <sonhadorpr> I use WinXP Pro, when my Compaq machine only came with the Home edition
[03:31] <Pazy> Is it any good MarcC?
[03:31] <holycow> with linux  not only are you correct on the copyright stuff,you actually own your copy
[03:31] <holycow> and can do whatever you want with it
[03:31] <mardi> anyone here doing kubuntu support?
[03:31] <MarcC> Pazy: it's great, worth every last cent
[03:31] <Insane`KDE> I have about 20% of Vista
[03:31] <sonhadorpr> yes....hack Windows....thatd be great!!
[03:31] <MarcC> !offtopic
[03:31] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:31] <Insane`KDE> Let's all go join #kubuntu-offtopic and continue our OS discussion there, shall we?
[03:31] <MarcC> Pazy: drop me a PM if you have any questions
[03:31] <Pazy> More money to Ubuntu developers but I still like to custom build
[03:32] <intelikey> holycow not only install anything they want, also delete read edit anything they want...  it's all theirs.
[03:32] <MarcC> mardi: what's up?
[03:32] <sonhadorpr> but most people are not programmers, just end-users...they dont need to change anything on the linux, or Windows, just wnat their progrmas to work...
[03:32] <sonhadorpr> period
[03:32] <holycow> intelikey: yup, xp users don't own shit, exactly
[03:32] <holycow> its not their box
[03:32] <Insane`KDE> Then I suggest using a calculator and a washing machine as an OS.
[03:32] <holycow> its basically you purchase permission to use your own hardware
[03:32] <Pazy> I want to learn to program but theres no easy teaching program. That would be helpful
[03:32] <holycow> then you haveto REGISTER your permission
[03:33] <Insane`KDE> Pazy: What language?
[03:33] <mardi> hi MarcC, updated with adept kubuntu feisty this morning and upon reboot, after grub, it hangs at "Starting up...."
[03:33] <holycow> oh and if you change YOUR HARDWARE, you know, stuff you bought and own, you haveto REREGISTER for more permission
[03:33] <Pazy> Technically when you buy a PC from say PCworld do you own it or are you borrowing it?
[03:33] <Pazy> @ insane English
[03:33] <Littleboots> I've never had to register anything
[03:33] <holycow> windows users are insane for putting up with that stuff
[03:33] <intelikey> holycow yeah and that is only temporary
[03:33] <Insane`KDE> @pazy: I meant programming language T__T
[03:33] <Pazy> lol ok
[03:33] <mardi> MarcC: one of the updates was mesa
[03:33] <Pazy> I was thinking a C language
[03:33] <holycow> intelikey: lol probably, i'm sure they will try to roll people into perpetually paying for it too
[03:33] <MarcC> mardi: may I ask why you're using mesa?
[03:34] <Insane`KDE> PErhaps c++?
[03:34] <Insane`KDE> There's a free g++ compiler for linux you can use
[03:34] <Pazy> If theres an easy guide then sure
[03:34] <MarcC> mardi: video card make/model? Also, have you tried booting up in vesa mode?
[03:34] <Insane`KDE> (It's just called g++, but it compiles c++)
[03:34] <holycow> intelikey: lol ditto
[03:34] <Pazy> I dont even read Eula's
[03:34] <holycow> you should
[03:34] <mardi> MarcC: don't know, we installed kubuntu and didn't touch the video side of things. it has a ati raedon 9800
[03:34] <holycow> its very important
[03:34] <Littleboots> bah
[03:34] <intelikey> Pazy that's why you still use M$
[03:34] <Insane`KDE> Pazy: Then I suggest buying a c++ book
[03:34] <Insane`KDE> Anyways try "sudo apt-get install g++"
[03:35] <Pazy> Im on XP the now
[03:35] <holycow> so why are you here?
[03:35] <Littleboots> I still use MS because I like to play games
[03:35] <Insane`KDE> Oh
[03:35] <Littleboots> =(
[03:35] <Pazy> I still use XP for games, Kubuntu for everything else
[03:35] <Insane`KDE> You'll have to see if you can find a free c++ compiler anywhere then
[03:35] <sonhadorpr> yeah...the best games are on MS
[03:35] <mardi> MarcC: have not tried booting with vesa mode, not sure how to, will find out
[03:35] <holycow> Pazy: ah, allright.  was just curious
[03:35] <arriesp> in linux the problem is for the beginners
[03:35] <Insane`KDE> I usually use DevC++
[03:35] <Insane`KDE> Damn DirectX 10
[03:35] <sonhadorpr> but DevC++ is for Windows.
[03:35] <holycow> linux is so easy its amazing
[03:36] <Pazy> I think thats most Linux Gamers situation
[03:36] <holycow> everything is hard in windows
[03:36] <sonhadorpr> .a very good compiler I might add!!!
[03:36] <MarcC> mardi: can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[03:36] <arriesp> you don't know how to start anything
[03:36] <MarcC> !pastebin | mardi
[03:36] <ubotu> mardi: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:36] <holycow> if you have a problem all you can do is hope there is a check box you can click on to fix it
[03:36] <Biovore> g++ is a good compile.. .. if you need a GUI development thing because you c++ knowledge is week, or your just lazzy, might want to try kdevelop.
[03:36] <Insane`KDE> Quote: "be sure to give the URL of your paste" NO REALLY!!! I thought I'd just secretly uplaod it
[03:36] <Pazy> kdevelop it is
[03:36] <mardi> MarcC: if i could get to a command prompt, one tic and well boot into another os that is installed on it
[03:37] <Insane`KDE> Lol
[03:37] <Insane`KDE> Best just get both
[03:37] <rrbiz> how is linux so easy, and windows so hard, hmm i disagree
[03:37] <sonhadorpr> I hate programming though...the best program I did was a program for calculating palindromes
[03:37] <Pazy> That reminds me I need to fix my grub
[03:37] <Insane`KDE> wow
[03:37] <Insane`KDE> Anybody here know Game MAker?
[03:37] <arriesp> linux isn't easy
[03:37] <Pazy> Its probably easier to teach Linux to newbie over Windows
[03:37] <Pazy> Game Maker isnt very good
[03:37] <Littleboots> doubt it
[03:37] <holycow> rrbiz: once you get good at linux you will understand
[03:37] <arriesp> is a good os
[03:37] <Insane`KDE> It's windows only, and I was a 100% programming master in it
[03:37] <arriesp> but not easy
[03:37] <Biovore> Insane`KDE: DevC++ uses min-gw
[03:37] <holycow> windows users simply cannot comprehend the concept ... it takes quite a while to kinda 'get why' its just easier
[03:37] <Pazy> Anyone here tried teaching a complete tech newbie to use Linux?
[03:38] <Insane`KDE> Although I gave up my gml career and removed myself from the list of GM tutors just to switch to linux
[03:38] <holycow> it comes down to simply being able to fix everything, but understanding that takes a good deal of experience
[03:38] <Littleboots> thats because windows users (like me) have been using windows for such a long time
[03:38] <intelikey> arriesp depends oh what hardware you have and what you are trying to do with it.  how easy linux is,    as with any os
[03:38] <Biovore> Pazy: yup.. but if you have used windows for a bit.. its harder to teach to them..
[03:38] <Insane`KDE> Biovore: DEvC++ is for windows only, which is why I suggested it to Pazy when he mentioned he was still running Windows
[03:38] <Littleboots> its hard to switch to something different after being used to doing things a certain way
[03:38] <arriesp> in linux im like a mother fuc... in the father day...
[03:38] <rrbiz> i think linux forces you to have to learn so much about it and it's file system and all sorts of configurations which sucks if u don't care to learn so much about it
[03:38] <Pazy> Is there a C++ program that is on Windows and Linux? So I dont have to learn 2 GUI's as well?
[03:39] <holycow> rrbiz: no it doesn't force you to do anything at all.  it expects you to be human and grow and learn
[03:39] <Littleboots> it requires a different way of thinking about what a OS is and does
[03:39] <Littleboots> pazy: a text editor
[03:39] <Littleboots> =)
[03:39] <Pazy> lol
[03:39] <holycow> rrbiz: windows expects you to be a retard all  your llife licking on 'next, next, next' without thinking
[03:39] <MarcC> Pazy: Java
[03:39] <Biovore> Pazy: QT, GTK, wxWidgets all are cross platform.. mac/windows/linux/solaris/cellphones..
[03:39] <MarcC> ;)
[03:39] <Littleboots> holycow: some people like that
[03:39] <holycow> actually thats not true
[03:39] <Littleboots> kind of like granking my car
[03:39] <holycow> they think they like that
[03:39] <Pazy> The compiler thing i meanr
[03:39] <Littleboots> I don't need to know how the damn thing works
[03:39] <Littleboots> I just want it to crank and go
[03:39] <Pazy> *meant
[03:40] <holycow> every single linux user i've ever watched get started says that
[03:40] <holycow> oh i just wanna click buttons
[03:40] <rrbiz> holycow: nah, it's like getting buying a car and having to learn so much about it, which to most isn't ideal
[03:40] <arriesp> bye
[03:40] <holycow> come back a year or two later and they are compiling their ass off whether they wanted to or not originally
[03:40] <sonhadorpr> just remmeber to end all progrmas with system ("pause") ;  unlike linux or other where its usually return 0;
[03:40] <holycow> not because they haveto, because they can
[03:40] <Littleboots> yes
[03:40] <Littleboots> but not everyone wants that
[03:40] <holycow> every linux user gets the opportunity to be human, to grow
[03:40] <mardi> MarcC: well, just looked and the thumb drive was inserted in the box. It won't boot when the thumb drive is in it....
[03:40] <intelikey> holycow and mostly in a terminal or console
[03:40] <Pazy> The first thing I like about Linux on my first try was the power i felt from the command line :D
[03:40] <holycow> you are not a number here, you aren't a customer with a service contract
[03:40] <Littleboots> you have to understand certain people look at computers as the same way they look at microwaves
[03:40] <mardi> MarcC: thanks for your effort anyhow :)
[03:41] <holycow> you are a human, with your own wants, desires and needs
[03:41] <mardi> MarcC: it's booting fine now
[03:41] <TheRealInsane> Omg my nickname is in use!!
[03:41] <TheRealInsane> Hacks!!
[03:41] <holycow> and you will grow at your own pace whether you like it or not
[03:41] <MarcC> mardi: your bios may be set up to boot from available thumb drives...might want to change that or at least remember it :)
[03:41] <sonhadorpr> I do agree with holycow there!!!
[03:41] <holycow> intelikey: lol! everyone ends up in the terminal
[03:41] <holycow> its true
[03:41] <mardi> MarcC: "at least remember it" ;)
[03:41] <intelikey> yep
[03:41] <Pazy> Can the Live CD redo my existing grub?
[03:41] <holycow> they start off going 'why do i haveto learn commands' 2 years later they are like, 'gimme xfce and a terminal'
[03:41] <TheRealInsane> As long as it's really the terminal and not teh Blue SCreen of Death!!
[03:42] <intelikey> holycow especally the "i gota have the pointy clicky thingy" types
[03:42] <SonhadorPR> nobody would hack my nick....they dont know what it means...hehehehe
[03:42] <TheRealInsane> Lol
[03:42] <Pazy> Ive gotten the blue screen 6 times this week
[03:42] <mardi> MarcC: that box stays on almost 24/7, only gets rebooted rarely
[03:42] <holycow> intelikey: haha, its funny to watch, but it happens
[03:42] <TheRealInsane> Funny how GUI users never seem to know what a GUI is
[03:42] <SonhadorPR> hehehhhe
[03:42] <holycow> me too
[03:42] <holycow> totally
[03:42] <Littleboots> point clicky is good sometimes =/
[03:42] <holycow> i said the same shit users above did
[03:42] <intelikey> hasn't started X in weeks now..
[03:42] <SonhadorPR> they have to take a REALLY BASIC computer class in order to learn this acronyms
[03:42] <rrbiz> right computers are a tool, like a car, a TV, no everyone cares to disect them, it's not a learning/grow process, or makes u more human, there's many more things in life to learn and grow with, linux just takes a big bite out of ur time, it's a wonderful tool no doubt
[03:42] <Littleboots> every now and then I like having shiny icons and buttons to click =)
[03:42] <holycow> i even remember saying 'how the hell can someone use linux when you have so much configuration to do'
[03:43] <TheRealInsane> So right.  Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:45] <SonhadorPR> lol
[03:45] <holycow> a monkey wrench can be built by a highschool dropout
[03:45] <Pazy> Sanne: ive been trying for about a week, no simple solution seems to work
[03:45] <holycow> its just a simple tool, an ogre could build one
[03:45] <Sanne> Pazy: I heard about a GRUB disk somewhere, let me check
[03:45] <holycow> a computer is AN EXTREMELY COMPLEX system
[03:45] <SonhadorPR> dont nobody want to change channels!!
[03:45] <holycow> its not a tool at all
[03:45] <SonhadorPR> hehehehehehe
[03:45] <holycow> its a swiss army knife
[03:45] <intelikey> zimmo what problem ?
[03:45] <Pazy> The Floppy one? I downloaded that but my dads lost all his floppys
[03:45] <holycow> don't forget, what sits under your desk right now used to be a super computer 20 years ago
[03:46] <mneptok> holycow: a cat?
[03:46] <holycow> 30 or 40 years ago, you needed a phd just to operate a computer
[03:46] <holycow> a computer IS NOT A TOOL
[03:46] <zimmo> intelikey: i am trying to start a bin file via console ok?
[03:46] <zimmo> and than it shows me this message: Unable to create OpenGL screen (Couldn't find matching GLX visual)
[03:46] <rrbiz> ur taking "tool" way out of context with computers, putting it on a pedestal :)
[03:46] <Sanne> Pazy: here (never used it myself, though): http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/
[03:46] <holycow> to equate a computer to a fucking hammer is to completely be ignorant of what you really are using
[03:46] <Biovore> zimmo: computers are tools to me..
[03:46] <mneptok> zimmo: what is this .bin?
[03:46] <holycow> and sadly people really love that tool analogy
[03:46] <zimmo> no
[03:46] <zimmo> it is a .sh file
[03:46] <mneptok> zimmo: for ... ?
[03:46] <SonhadorPR> I guess I understand both points actually..
[03:46] <zimmo> it is a game
[03:46] <winbond> who here is running kde4?
[03:47] <SonhadorPR> they ARE tools...but MUCH more than just mere tools.////get it?
[03:47] <mcrandello> winbond: still waiting on the repo to update :(
[03:47] <mneptok> zimmo: last chance for an informative answer ....
[03:47] <intelikey> zimmo tried it in a terminal eumlator    konsole  ?
[03:47] <Biovore> winbond: I have messed with it.. its still very beta..
[03:47] <holycow> i was just on the phone with a local retailer the other day, a quad intel cpu now is 360$ canadian
[03:47] <zimmo> konsole and also xterm
[03:47] <holycow> i can get a nice dual quadcore system setup under 1k right now
[03:47] <Biovore> winbond: I don't think they have gotten the kicker intergrated into plasma yet..
[03:47] <holycow> a quad core cpu is not a tool
[03:47] <holycow> its a fricking magic machine
[03:47] <SonhadorPR> anyway...gotta go
[03:47] <mneptok> zimmo: what game? from where? what .sh file? URL?
[03:47] <winbond> mcrandello: the packages for gytsy are already there
[03:47] <intelikey> zimmo k just a sec
[03:47] <zimmo> intelikey: it is a linux game
[03:48] <zimmo> mneptok: assaultcube
[03:48] <Biovore> holycow: Quad core is not anything new.. Sun has had procs with 8 or more..
[03:48] <Pazy> That program would require a floppy, which I cant find, or for me to wipe my Second Linux OS off the USB. Cant the Live CD do anything?
[03:48] <mcrandello> winbond: yeah I'm waiting on the backports crew ;_;
[03:48] <holycow> Biovore: bingo
[03:48] <zimmo> ok
[03:48] <holycow> Biovore: how many people you see building their own sun machines at home for less than 1k?
[03:48] <intelikey> zimmo ok looks like you need 3d acceleration    have you installed/enabled drivers for your vidio card ?
[03:48] <mneptok> zimmo: what grfk card do you have?
[03:48] <holycow> and expect them to be 'just a tool' say like a hammer?
[03:48] <intelikey> !ati | zimmo
[03:48] <ubotu> zimmo: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:49] <Littleboots> I have a quad core that I use strictly for hammering nails
[03:49] <winbond> Biovore: when i start xephyr xserver i can only see a solid background and a mouse pointer , is that how it supose to be?
[03:49] <zimmo> intelikey: i have no 3d card aceleration board
[03:49] <zimmo> my videocard is 32mb
[03:49] <Littleboots> =(
[03:49] <Biovore> winbond: no clue.. it changes hourly.. check it back out of svn
[03:49] <mneptok> zimmo: what grfx card do you have?
[03:50] <zimmo> no idea
[03:50] <mneptok> lspci
[03:50] <zimmo> ok
[03:50] <intelikey> zimmo see the page   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto    if it doesn't help come back here.    but do read it.
[03:51] <zimmo> ok
[03:51] <zimmo> thank you... it is better when you know at least where to start solving the problem
[03:51] <zimmo> hehe
[03:51] <Pazy> Is there any way to get the Kubuntu Live CD to fix grub?
[03:52] <intelikey> zimmo thousands of people ask about that same issue.   and the reason that linux doesn't take care of that automatically is the same reason it doesn't do flash or mp3 out of the box    it's not a linux issue it's a government issue.   jerk offs in gov. have made it illegle in many countries  so linux' hands are tied
[03:52] <zimmo> mneptok: however my videocard is 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  300/305 PCI/                                                              AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 90)
[03:52] <WaxyFresh> ok so my menu bar decided to become a expatriot of my lil world,now that its missing is there a way to open my gaim buddy list after it being minimized to the taskbar?not like alt tab but what do i do when its minimized to the area next to the clock?
[03:53] <zimmo> intelikey: no problem
[03:53] <mneptok> zimmo: you will not play Assaultcube with that card
[03:53] <zimmo> ah
[03:53] <mneptok> zimmo: no 3D, no go.
[03:53] <intelikey> mneptok no 3d on his chip ?
[03:53] <zimmo> it runs very slowly in XP
[03:53] <mneptok> zimmo: in the US? got $25?
[03:53] <zimmo> no
[03:53] <Pazy> You can get a 126 Nvidia gefore 6200 LE for 30 pounds (British), that will do most Linux games.
[03:53] <zimmo> brazil... but we pay in USD too!
[03:54] <Pazy> 128
[03:54] <mneptok> intelikey: no 3D drivers from SiS
[03:54] <intelikey> ah sis i missed that.
[03:54] <zimmo> can you recommend me any brand of 3dcards?
[03:54] <intelikey> was busy talking i guess
[03:54] <mneptok> zimmo: what e-tailer do you use?
[03:54] <zimmo> cheaper..
[03:54] <zimmo> e-tailer? no ideia
[03:54] <mneptok> online store
[03:54] <zimmo> ok
[03:54] <Biovore> newegg is ok..
[03:54] <mneptok> Biovore: not if you're in Brasil
[03:55] <Biovore> yup
[03:55] <intelikey> zimmo any nvidia 5k ?
[03:55] <zimmo> my nvidea burned
[03:55] <Pazy> Whats 30 GBP in Brazil Money's?
[03:55] <mneptok> zimmo: what online store do you uuse for hardware?
[03:55] <zimmo> i have paid "USD 100" ON IT and it burend 1 year later!
[03:56] <mcrandello> 90,000 escudos
[03:56] <mneptok> Pazy: 40 monkeys, 12 goats, and a child bride.
[03:56] <mcrandello> (not sure)
[03:56] <zimmo> i usually search on the "real marcked"
[03:56] <intelikey> zimmo note that ati is more problematic than nvidia in linux at this time.
[03:56] <Pazy> Child Bride....................
[03:56] <zimmo> i see
[03:56] <mneptok> zimmo: what online store do you uuse for hardware?
[03:56] <Littleboots> but maybe dell will change that =)
[03:56] <zimmo> mnptok: we usually dont buy things on Internet in Brazil
[03:56] <intelikey> maybe amd will
[03:56] <mneptok> Littleboots: AMD will change it, if anyone.
[03:57] <Pazy> If Pci-express is compatible the world over the the Geforce6200LE would be a good deal
[03:57] <Littleboots> didn't one buy the other or something?
[03:57] <Littleboots> I should really keep up on these things
[03:57] <zimmo> but I can accept ideas of hardware online sotres
[03:57] <mneptok> AMD bought ATI
[03:57] <mcrandello> mneptok: there was some article last week about Dell pressuring amd to come up with something a little less crappy on linux
[03:57] <Littleboots> yes
[03:57] <mneptok> mcrandello: and that article overstates some things
[03:57] <Pazy> If only there was pressure on Games companies to make linux stuff.
[03:57] <mcrandello> oh I know
[03:58] <Littleboots> because Dell uses ATI stuff and dell wants to ship machines with linux preloaded
[03:58] <intelikey> zimmo tiger dirrect dot com    you can shop...   don't have to buy
[03:58] <Littleboots> Pazy: on day, hopefully
[03:58] <Littleboots> *one
[03:58] <WaxyFresh> !time
[03:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about time - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:58] <mneptok> Littleboots: the ATI driver problems are not an issue for Dell.
[03:58] <WaxyFresh> anyone know what time it is on the east cost usa?
[03:58] <Littleboots> ?
[03:58] <Pazy> Linux is actually a good market, if they release any commercial port on linux say Need for Speed and Madden then most Linux gamers would get that. 80% of Linux Gamers is as good (money wise) as the 1% of PC gamers that would buy it.
[03:58] <Littleboots> why's that
[03:59] <mneptok> Littleboots: they *are* howeuver, an issue for AMD.
[03:59] <intelikey> WaxyFresh gmt - 5
[03:59] <WaxyFresh> intelikey: ?
[03:59] <intelikey> or 5 daylight savings time
[03:59] <intelikey> i mean 4
[03:59] <mcrandello> They're no issue for AMD, if it was they'd have fixed it already
[03:59] <zimmo> ah ok
[03:59] <zimmo> thank you all
[03:59] <WaxyFresh> its not 5 or 4
[03:59] <mcrandello> the issue lies with people who want to use the cards anywhere but under windows
[03:59] <mneptok> Littleboots: Dell has choices. they can choose an AMD competitor. no skin off their nose.
[04:00] <intelikey> daylight saving in most places  but that ones that don't use it its - 5   year around
[04:00] <WaxyFresh> sorry with my menu bar gone i have no clock
[04:00] <mcrandello> well, and I've heard a lot of windows users bitching about ati too
[04:00] <Littleboots> mneptok: that's what I'm saying
[04:00] <mneptok> WaxyFresh: "date"
[04:00] <Littleboots> mneptok: tell choosing another hardware provider would put pressure on AMD
[04:00] <mneptok> Littleboots: so, it's not an issue for Dell. they don't care, really.
[04:00] <Littleboots> *dell
[04:00] <Littleboots> yeah
[04:00] <Littleboots> but
[04:00] <intelikey> WaxyFresh /time   in the irc client too
[04:00] <Littleboots> you know what I'm saying =p
[04:01] <mneptok> no, i don't ;)
[04:01] <Littleboots> I never said it was an issue
[04:01] <Littleboots> for dell
[04:01] <WaxyFresh> um date and /time say 2 diffrent things
[04:01] <mneptok> "It's an issue that affects Dell. It's also an issue that does not affect Dell." ;)
[04:01] <mcrandello> The only issue is that I can't change cards without a soldering iron ;_;
[04:01] <Littleboots> ?
[04:01] <Littleboots> why
[04:02] <mcrandello> stupid laptop
[04:02] <Littleboots> ah
[04:02] <intelikey> WaxyFresh one is probably local and the other universal (gmt  aka  UTC)
[04:02] <WaxyFresh> mcrandello: whats a 200m? a video kard?
[04:02] <intelikey> or your clock is wrong...   that's possable too
[04:03] <mcrandello> WaxyFresh: barely but yes
[04:03] <mcrandello> it was a very popular video card for cheap laptops from about a year ago or so
[04:04] <intelikey> you think barely.  i still have an isa vidio card in use
[04:04] <WaxyFresh> mcrandello: my laptop is coverd i cigerette burns,its so i dont pawn it when im broke.id cry if i sold a duelcore duel amd64 for something sily like food
[04:04] <mcrandello> intelikey: you probably have better frames than I do in quake
[04:05] <intelikey> mcrandello isa interface   think about it.    it maxes at 800x600 dpi
[04:06] <intelikey> and 60hz   heh   i mean   60 hurts
[04:06] <mcrandello> intelikey: so does the 200m with a cheap laptop lcd ;P
[04:06] <intelikey> but that's not the cards limits that's the monitor it's plugged into
[04:08] <intelikey> i built a sound server out of it.  (the box it's in)   it's headless and keyboardless  but i leave the vidio card in in case i need dirrect access for some reason
[04:08] <intelikey> in case    heh   to much time looking at shell code    esac
[04:09] <winbond> im trying to run kde4 from xephyr but all i can see is a solid background and a mouse pointer , so how can i run anything from xephur?
[04:09] <mcrandello> if you want I could send you a matrox or something pci fi
[04:09] <Minataku> @T
[04:09] <Minataku> Heh
[04:09] <Minataku> I guess it doesn't work in here X3
[04:10] <mneptok> !offtopic
[04:10] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:10] <intelikey> na   thanks for the offer.  but like i said it's headless    doesn't need the isa s3 card
[04:10] <mneptok> so yeah ... ;)
[04:10] <jsubl2> !mp3
[04:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:10] <intelikey> Minataku i think it's   @now location
[04:11] <intelikey> @now new york
[04:11] <ubotu> Current time in America/New_York: August 02 2007, 22:11:16 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 4 days
[04:11] <Minataku> Nah, it's an offtopic-specific command
[04:11] <winbond> @now hell
[04:11] <Scorpaen> hey intelikey\
[04:12] <winbond> unknown time zone?
[04:12] <intelikey> winbond that would be the M$ meeting ?
[04:12] <Minataku> !now Tokyo
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about now tokyo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <Minataku> Er
[04:12] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> XD
[04:12] <Minataku> @now Tokyo
[04:12] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Tokyo: August 03 2007, 11:12:22 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 4 days
[04:12] <intelikey> Scorpaen
[04:12] <winbond> intelikey: probably , when they are trying to stop linux
[04:14] <intelikey> well i still like the biography of the penguin, on linux.com   :)
[04:14] <TheRealInsane> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
[04:15] <WaxyFresh> whats xypher?
[04:15] <Insane`KDE> My computer overheated
[04:15] <Cannoli> OMG
[04:15] <Cannoli> I AM RUNNING LINUX
[04:15] <Cannoli> sooo hawt
[04:15] <Cannoli> :)
[04:15] <Littleboots> no you're not
[04:15] <Cannoli> first time ever
[04:15] <Littleboots> stop lieing
[04:15] <Cannoli> :( buster
[04:15] <Cannoli> busted*
[04:15] <Cannoli> XD
[04:16] <Littleboots> =)
[04:16] <Cannoli> littleboots how do i change the resolution?
[04:16] <winbond> Cannoli: congrats, and good luck
[04:16] <intelikey> you was all cool and *    then you had to open your mouth.
[04:16] <mcrandello> Cannoli: <ctrl><alt><+>
[04:16] <mcrandello> or <->
[04:16] <mcrandello> may do it
[04:16] <Insane`KDE> Wtf.. first my screen froze, then my pc started smelling like burnt plastic
[04:16] <Cannoli> :S thts just zoom in zoom out
[04:16] <Insane`KDE> It's been running for 20+ hours
[04:17] <intelikey> fan not wherling ?
[04:17] <Insane`KDE> It is
[04:17] <mcrandello> Cannoli: if it "zooms" instead of changes then you may need to change some things in the xorg.conf
[04:17] <Insane`KDE> Not effective enough though
[04:17] <Insane`KDE> I've shut it off and ot some cool packs inside it
[04:17] <intelikey> cought it before it hurt anything
[04:18] <Insane`KDE> Now I'm irc'ing from my laptop
[04:18] <Insane`KDE> I may need to unplug my internet cable give me a moment
[04:19] <mas195> hey all, can someone tell me the konsole command to terminate adept package manager?
[04:19] <mcrandello> Cannoli: ah nm they changed it
[04:19] <mas195> when i attempt to update it tells me that another program is using the manager...
[04:19] <mcrandello> Cannoli: krandrtray
[04:19] <winbond> Cannoli: what u need , i cant send pms
[04:19] <Biovore> mas195: ps ax | less adept
[04:19] <Insane`KDE> There
[04:19] <Biovore> err ps ax | grep adept
[04:19] <mcrandello> run that and it should let you change resolutions from the systray
[04:20] <intelikey> the problem was dri rot'd plastic  the fan just cracked where the shaft goes through it,   thus slowed rotation because of slipage.    when i found it, and touched it the fan went ahead and fell into two peaces
[04:20] <Insane`KDE> Moved into a more comfortable position xD
[04:20] <Cannoli> where is tht mcrandello?
[04:20] <intelikey> i was all like WOW! that shouldn't happen,    ;/
[04:21] <mas195> bio: konsole reports no file or directory found
[04:21] <Cannoli> winbond > im currently running straight from the cd and ive decided taht i want to partition my 250 gb hd. now the thing is. all this stuff that im messing around with on the cd. is it going to be saved?
[04:21] <Insane`KDE> Lol
[04:21] <mcrandello> Cannoli: you can either click the "K" menu, go to run and type it, or right click the desktop and then select the "run command" thingy
[04:21] <Insane`KDE> intelikey: Perhaps a wter cooler?
[04:22] <WaxyFresh> im kinda worried i hear a bunch of automatic rifle fire close by,hopefully this isnt some sort of red dawn type stuff
[04:22] <Insane`KDE> intelikey: *water
[04:22] <WaxyFresh> whats zypher?
[04:22] <winbond> Cannoli: no, once you restart from live cd everything will be lost
[04:22] <mcrandello> Cannoli: if it comes up not found then from a konsole type "sudo apt-get install krandrtray"
[04:22] <Insane`KDE> WaxyFresh in RL?
[04:22] <mcrandello> oh, a livecd
[04:22] <intelikey> Insane`KDE i dug up a newer modle heat sync and fan   for hoter chip  so now i'm "over colling" my cpu    mouse quiet too
[04:22] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: yes
[04:23] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: i live in maine so its semi normal
[04:23] <mcrandello> Cannoli: from a konsole type "xrandr", and all the possible resolutions will be listed
[04:23] <CensorBard> Linux newbie observation #3: After confronting Linux, I now know how my parents felt when I was trying to show them how to do things in Windows.
[04:23] <Insane`KDE> WaxyFresh: Get the kids into a bulet proof bunker and get out your auto-pumpgun
[04:23] <Cannoli> ah got it
[04:23] <Cannoli> thanx mc
[04:23] <Cannoli> kk winbond
[04:23] <Insane`KDE> Gangster district!?
[04:23] <Cannoli> now heres where im having the most trouble
[04:23] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: no redneck district
[04:23] <Cannoli> i have a 250 gb hg
[04:23] <mcrandello> Cannoli: once you see the resolution you want it's "xrandr -s N"
[04:23] <Cannoli> hdd*
[04:24] <intelikey> M5iii
[04:24] <mcrandello> where "N" is the number next to the resolution you want
[04:24] <Insane`KDE> Way too little space to run anything effectively, if you ask me
[04:24] <Cannoli> :S i just used tht little button in the tray mc
[04:24] <WaxyFresh> Insane`KDE: i bet none of my neihbors could tell you what LOL means
[04:24] <mcrandello> laughing on line
[04:24] <Insane`KDE> lol
[04:24] <intelikey> lying on line  ?
[04:24] <mcrandello> lolling out landishly
[04:24] <Cannoli> ???
[04:24] <Cannoli> XD
[04:24] <mas195> can someone tell me how to terminate adept_updater database access via konsole?
[04:25] <WaxyFresh> Linux Only, Loser!
[04:25] <mcrandello> sudo killall -9 adept_updater
[04:25] <mcrandello> maybe
[04:25] <Insane`KDE> live or lie
[04:25] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix | mas195
[04:25] <ubotu> mas195: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:25] <mcrandello> ho
[04:25] <mcrandello> erm oh
[04:25] <Cannoli> winbond: if i clean up my 250 gb hd so that it has abt 150 gb free and i partition it, will the partition delete stuff or will it use the empty space?
[04:26] <Insane`KDE> It seems that lol hardly ever means wha it actually stands for
[04:26] <Cannoli> btw kubuntu is hawt
[04:26] <Cannoli> XD
[04:26] <Cannoli> im feel like a kid in a candy store :D
[04:26] <Insane`KDE> Cannoli: It should use the empty space
[04:26] <DaSkreech> Very few people are actually Laughing out loud
[04:26] <intelikey> Cannoli does it now have a partition/partition table ?
[04:26] <Cannoli> no it doesnnt
[04:26] <mcrandello> licking our loins
[04:26] <intelikey> Cannoli you'll loose all datat
[04:26] <Cannoli> it doesnt even have windows
[04:26] <winbond> Cannoli: depends on how you format it, if you delete partitions then u delete everything thats on the partitions,
[04:26] <Cannoli> ddaammm
[04:27] <tank71> ok so how would I go about connecting via ssh to a server that is sitting on my floor lol
[04:27] <Insane`KDE> The best is still "Linux only, Losers!"
[04:27] <winbond> Cannoli: if it doesnt have windows what do you want to save on that laptop?
[04:27] <mas195> ubotu: that worked, thanks
[04:27] <tank71> from this cimputer (not the server)
[04:27] <tank71> computer*
[04:27] <mcrandello> ssh -lusername ip.ad.dr.ess
[04:27] <Cannoli> no i mean tht hdd doesnt hav windows
[04:27] <Cannoli> i ahve 2 hds
[04:27] <Cannoli> 1 60 gb and 1 250 gb
[04:27] <DaSkreech> in your laptop?
[04:27] <Cannoli> the 250 one is slace
[04:27] <mcrandello> where username is the username you want to log in with and the ip.ad. stuff is the ip address
[04:27] <Cannoli> slave*
[04:27] <Cannoli> no desktop
[04:27] <tank71> I dont think ssh is working on the server
[04:27] <tank71> it says...port blocked
[04:28] <DaSkreech> tank71: install ssh
[04:28] <tank71> tried...
[04:28] <DaSkreech> tank71: and?
[04:28] <DaSkreech> !info ssh
[04:28] <ubotu> ssh: Secure shell client and server (transitional package). In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.3p2-8ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1 kB, installed size 32 kB
[04:28] <tank71> I tried to start it and it just says failed
[04:28] <intelikey> Cannoli if the info you gave me is accurate, (no partition table)  you will lose all data if you make a partition tabel,   if we got our wires crossed then dis on me.
[04:28] <DaSkreech> tank71: you installed the package ssh?
[04:29] <tank71> not sure
[04:29] <tank71> do you want me to give you the command I used?
[04:29] <mcrandello> Cannoli: I would back up everything anyway if this is your first time messing with the partitions
[04:29] <DaSkreech> Yes
[04:29] <Cannoli> 1.) how do u backup?
[04:29] <Cannoli> 2.) whts a partition table just to make sure? :S
[04:30] <tank71> apt-get install openssh-server openssh-client
[04:30] <tank71> it seemed to go fine
[04:30] <DaSkreech> that should be sufficent
[04:30] <DaSkreech> how are you testing it?
[04:30] <tank71> as in connecting to the server?
[04:30] <Insane`KDE> Cannoli: The partition table is the table that tells how the hdd is split, as in how many bytes per partitions
[04:30] <DaSkreech> yes
[04:31] <tank71> from this computer
[04:31] <tank71> on the same network
[04:31] <Cannoli> no i dont have that
[04:31] <intelikey> Cannoli 1 other media   dvd's maybe.  other hd      2, if windows formated it at some point  it most likely has a partition table,   in linux you can use the command     sudo fdisk -l       and/or ; cat /proc/partitions      so see if the disk is partitioned
[04:31] <DaSkreech> tank71: what command?
[04:31] <tank71> ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
[04:31] <tank71> uhh
[04:31] <tank71> sorry
[04:31] <tank71> I mean... ssh localhost
[04:32] <Cannoli> ic
[04:32] <Cannoli> how do i do the /proc thing
[04:32] <DaSkreech> try ssh <your_ip_address>
[04:32] <tank71> nope
[04:32] <Cannoli> first time using linux srry for the awefully nooby questions
[04:32] <mcrandello> Cannoli: type "cat /proc/partitions" at a console or terminal
[04:32] <DaSkreech> tank71: Nope you won't try?
[04:32] <tank71> well first I guess I should ask is there an easy way to access the server on my floor
[04:32] <tank71> no I did and same thing...
[04:33] <Cannoli> whts a console?
[04:33] <DaSkreech> seriously?
[04:33] <intelikey> Cannoli i would 'assume' that it has a single partition,   but that assumption could be in error,  i have eight disk drives in this box and only one has a partition table/partitions
[04:33] <Cannoli> XD
[04:33] <mcrandello> like a dos window in windows
[04:33] <tank71> it just says port blocked :S
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: If only we could be embarrased answering them :)
[04:33] <mcrandello> in kubuntu it's called konsole
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: Please ask away
[04:33] <Cannoli> k got it
[04:33] <mcrandello> so right click the desktop, click "run command" then type konsole
[04:34] <Insane`KDE> a console is a little thingy where you write stuff
[04:34] <mcrandello> good, you're well on your way to knowing more than you ever wanted to about the internals of unix :)
[04:34] <Cannoli> yep
[04:34] <Insane`KDE> and then some pixie does stuff
[04:34] <DaSkreech> tank71: try a sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[04:34] <Cannoli> haha u guys should have just said its cmd
[04:34] <Cannoli> xD
[04:34] <Cannoli> ok i got the results
[04:34] <tank71> it says failed...
[04:34] <Insane`KDE> cmd sucks
[04:34] <Cannoli> should i paste them?
[04:34] <tank71> just failed no reason lol
[04:34] <Insane`KDE> It's windows
[04:34] <DaSkreech> tank71: thats funky
[04:34] <intelikey> Cannoli use a pastebin
[04:34] <intelikey> !paste | Cannoli
[04:34] <ubotu> Cannoli: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:34] <mcrandello> don't paste here, go to http://www.pastebin.ca
[04:34] <WaxyFresh> mcrandello: dont you need a speculum for that?
[04:34] <tank71> ya I know
[04:34] <DaSkreech> tank71: Purge openssh-server and reinstall it
[04:34] <tank71> ok thanks
[04:35] <tank71> well do when I have time :P
[04:35] <tank71> thanks for your help....
[04:35] <mcrandello> WaxyFresh: they have these tablets you can swallow that have a little camera in them nowadays
[04:35] <DaSkreech> tank71: Umm ok it's one line
[04:35] <Cannoli> i love how smooth everything is in linux
[04:35] <mcrandello> WaxyFresh: or your doctor can apply the new "digital" exam
[04:35] <Cannoli> but the grey color is kinda depressing. sleek but depressing
[04:35] <Cannoli> XD
[04:35] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get remove openssh-server --purge && sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[04:35] <tank71> ok
[04:35] <mcrandello> Cannoli: that can all be changed
[04:35] <tank71> I'll copy that
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Grey?
[04:35] <Cannoli> perfect
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Oh the kicker?
[04:36] <Cannoli> silver/grey
[04:36] <Cannoli> http://www.pastebin.ca/643860
[04:36] <Cannoli> thur ya go
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Right you have no idea what a kicker is
[04:36] <Cannoli> lmao
[04:36] <Cannoli> exactly
[04:36] <Cannoli> XD
[04:36] <DaSkreech> the bar at the bottom?
[04:36] <Cannoli> thts the one
[04:36] <Cannoli> XD
[04:36] <Cannoli> im hoping kubuntu has skins right?
[04:36] <mcrandello> themes but yes :)
[04:37] <Cannoli> sweet
[04:37] <Insane`KDE> Get beryl if you want fancy visual stuff^^
[04:37] <DaSkreech> hits Insane`KDE
[04:37] <DaSkreech> kwin_composite
[04:37] <DaSkreech> MMMMMM
[04:37] <Cannoli> haha i'll stick to kubuntu until i master it to some degree
[04:37] <intelikey> Cannoli ok both hd's do have partition tables you should be able to scan for errors and defrag then resize the partition without loss of data.     there is alway some risk in each of those steps so do make pavkups of anything important
[04:37] <Cannoli> ive beenw ith windows for my whole life now
[04:37] <Cannoli> :P
[04:38] <Insane`KDE> Me too
[04:38] <Insane`KDE> Switched to linux 2 days ago
[04:38] <intelikey> pavkups/backup
[04:38] <Cannoli> intelkey> is backup necessary for the 60gb hdd too? cause i dont plan to do anythign with that
[04:38] <Insane`KDE> Just wanted to test it for a week, next thing I know I'm hooked
[04:38] <Cannoli> i know wht u mean insane
[04:38] <Cannoli> i can totally see my self playing with this for a while
[04:38] <Cannoli> :)
[04:38] <Insane`KDE> :P
[04:39] <Insane`KDE> What's even funnier,
[04:39] <Cannoli> i'll prolly be here too asking tonnes of questions :$
[04:39] <Cannoli> XD
[04:39] <intelikey> Cannoli anything you change.   i.e.  if you mess with that drive at all    yes.
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: Muwahahaha My job is to overload you with coolness so that by the end of the week you will want to leave cause of the sugar coating your teeth
[04:39] <Insane`KDE> I already have my mouth full
[04:40] <Cannoli> 0.0
[04:40] <Insane`KDE> Or do you intend on stuffing it up my nose?
[04:40] <intelikey> Cannoli cursing the os (or it's writers/supporters) is no substitute for backed up data     :)
[04:40] <Cannoli> lol
[04:40] <DaSkreech> backups ftw!!
[04:40] <intelikey> anything worth having is worth making backups.
[04:40] <Cannoli> do i have to mess with my 60gb hd
[04:40] <DaSkreech> and FTWAOT!
[04:40] <Cannoli> cause thts strictly windows
[04:40] <Insane`KDE> Anyways, I install linux and go tell my brother about it, and suddenly I see that he's runnign linux too
[04:40] <Cannoli> and like programs
[04:41] <intelikey> Cannoli no you do not have too...
[04:41] <Insane`KDE> When the last time I talked to him he was still on windows..
[04:41] <Cannoli> perfect
[04:41] <Cannoli> lol insane
[04:41] <Insane`KDE> It's a disease
[04:41] <Insane`KDE> Deadly and contagious
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: Have you done Alt+space yet ?
[04:41] <Cannoli> wow kopete msn is uuggllyy
[04:41] <Cannoli> XD
[04:41] <Insane`KDE> Alt+Space??
[04:42] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[04:42] <Tomi-idle> no it's not
[04:42] <Insane`KDE> I don'T get it :P
[04:42] <Cannoli> lol whts catapault?
[04:42] <Dragnslcr> Kopete is still fairly immature. It's getting a lot better pretty quickly though
[04:42] <Tomi-idle> you can launch programs/bookmarks/songs with katapult
[04:42] <intelikey> ugly as in a lion eating a baby    or ugly as in a baby eating a lion  ???
[04:42] <DaSkreech> alt+space -> adept -> press enter
[04:42] <DaSkreech> !katapult
[04:42] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[04:42] <Cannoli> Dragnslcr thts always good
[04:42] <Insane`KDE> wow
[04:43] <Insane`KDE> Katapult is made of win and awesome
[04:43] <Tomi-idle> amarok on the other hand -- isn't
[04:43] <Insane`KDE> But beryl is made of win, awesome and EYE CANDY
[04:43] <Cannoli> THT IS AWESOME
[04:43] <DaSkreech> If you have a folder in your home folder you can type that in and browse around
[04:43] <Cannoli> omg
[04:43] <Cannoli> sooo hawt
[04:43] <Insane`KDE> Lawl
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: Oh you two?
[04:43] <Insane`KDE> Linux is running out of my ears
[04:43] <Cannoli> wht does the windows key do? :S
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Speaking of two
[04:43] <Insane`KDE> It managed to prevent me from sleeping a total of 2 nights so far
[04:44] <DaSkreech> alt+space -> 2 + 3
[04:44] <intelikey> Cannoli it's programable
[04:44] <Cannoli> :|
[04:44] <Cannoli> 0.0
[04:44] <intelikey> Cannoli mine switches tty's
[04:44] <Cannoli> it just gets better and better
[04:44] <Cannoli> XD
[04:44] <Cannoli> tty?
[04:44] <Insane`KDE> Wow
[04:44] <Insane`KDE> calc
[04:44] <Insane`KDE> It got sin?
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Alt+space -> 3 ^ 5
[04:44] <Insane`KDE> WOW
[04:44] <intelikey> Cannoli console   that thing you learn about in about two years  :)
[04:45] <Cannoli> lmao intel
[04:45] <Cannoli> dont wrry i learn this fairly fast
[04:45] <Insane`KDE> Alt + Space 3+sin(4)
[04:45] <Cannoli> im good with pcs :)
[04:45] <Tomi-idle> ctrl-alt-f1 = tty1
[04:45] <DaSkreech> alt+space -> spell neat
[04:45] <Tomi-idle> ctrl-alt-f7 = first graphical
[04:45] <Tomi-idle> x session
[04:45] <intelikey> Cannoli ?
[04:46] <intelikey> Tomi-idle i think you should have reversed those.....
[04:46] <intelikey> :)
[04:46] <Tomi-idle> yeah i think so too
[04:46] <Tomi-idle> lol
[04:46] <Tomi-idle> or at least on same sentence
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Tomi-idle: Always explain those in one line
[04:46] <Tomi-idle> hehe
[04:46] <DaSkreech> ....
[04:46] <DaSkreech> always
[04:46] <Tomi-idle> my bad
[04:46] <DaSkreech> He's going to have to reboot now
[04:46] <intelikey> he'll reboot like any good windows user
[04:46] <Tomi-idle> "hay guys, i just had to reboot"
[04:47] <Cannoli> OMG
[04:47] <Cannoli> OMG
[04:47] <Tomi-idle> then again everyone should know what they tty's are ..
[04:47] <Cannoli> i got lost in ctrl + alt
[04:47] <Cannoli> + f1
[04:47] <Cannoli> scaryt
[04:47] <Cannoli> scary*
[04:47] <intelikey> lost in a console   yeap
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: Found F7 ?
[04:47] <Tomi-idle> lol
[04:47] <Cannoli> yea
[04:47] <Cannoli> XD
[04:47] <Tomi-idle> we thought so you would ;D
[04:47] <Cannoli> i was sooo freaked
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: Cool better than most
[04:48] <Ellipsys> Hello everyone. Anyone have a minute to help with accessing network shares?
[04:48] <winbond> anyone done the guide for installing kd4 from the kubuntu website?
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: that's like having 7 different computers
[04:48] <Tomi-idle> winbond: i did
[04:48] <intelikey> Cannoli what you don't know about linux you are still in a console,   xorg is running in tty7   console number seven
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: Sup?
[04:48] <Cannoli> lmfao i love how u said he'll reboot like most windows users
[04:48] <Cannoli> XD
[04:48] <DaSkreech> winbond: It will be up soon
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Oh thought you meant the new one :)
[04:49] <Tomi-idle> kde4 updatge?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: No joke most people do
[04:49] <Cannoli> DaSkreech if there are 7 diff pcs how is it that only 1 has gui?
[04:49] <winbond> Tomi-idle: it sais 'edit the Name entry in kde4.desktop to be called "KDE 4"' what does it mean,
[04:49] <Ellipsys> DaSkreech: I have an openfiler box running SMB and NFS services that is acting like my media server. In Windows I could just hit view network computer/shares or whatever, but it doesn't seem that easy here in linux
[04:49] <Cannoli> lol i wouldnt be surprised
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: You only need one gui :)
[04:49] <Cannoli> i tried soo many cmd commands
[04:49] <Tomi-idle> winbond: there's the session name inside the file
[04:49] <Tomi-idle> so you won't get two "KDE" sessions in the list
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: try open konqueror and type smb:/
[04:49] <Cannoli> k lets get into this later when i get use to it
[04:49] <Cannoli> :)
[04:49] <Tomi-idle> it doens't hurt, but easier to choose from :)
[04:49] <Ellipsys> Nothing at all
[04:50] <arun> How do I disable my NAT firewall?
[04:50] <Cannoli> oh im into programming using my parallel port and stuff. how is linux with that?
[04:50] <Cannoli> :S
[04:50] <Tomi-idle> arun: go to your local router/modem ;)
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: If you know the name of the machine or the ip address you can type smb:/ipaddress or smb:/name
[04:50] <winbond> Tomi-idle: i only see  Name and o Session Name
[04:50] <intelikey> Cannoli i was typing you a how to and Tomi-idle blurted out the first command    and i figured you would see the terifrightingly awful  LINUX CONSOLE and it would be reboot city like with so many...     but glad you found your way back.... :)
[04:50] <arun> I don't have access to my router
[04:50] <Tomi-idle> winbond: somewhere reads "KDE" change it to "KDE 4" or something
[04:50] <shahzeb> hi guys
[04:51] <arun> hi
[04:51] <winbond> Tomi-idle: ok , ty
[04:51] <shahzeb> i wanna enable 3d desktop on my computer
[04:51] <soulrider> hi
[04:51] <intelikey> Cannoli programing ?   C   C++   ?
[04:51] <Cannoli> intelikey hahah yep :) i love how u knew i would try tht command
[04:51] <Cannoli> XD
[04:51] <DaSkreech> !beryl
[04:51] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:51] <Tomi-idle> Cannoli: we ALL knew ;)
[04:51] <DaSkreech> shahzeb: #ubuntu-effects is the place
[04:51] <Tomi-idle> Cannoli: and sorry about that, i only realized it after i had typed the 2 lines
[04:51] <shahzeb> soo i have to dowload it
[04:52] <DaSkreech> Hi Insane
[04:52] <DaSkreech> shahzeb: Pretty much
[04:52] <Ellipsys> Aha! THanks! I didn't know I had to manually specify. It seems a bit slow, but at least I can access the files there.
[04:52] <winbond> Tomi-idle: what are the 3 export line it is talking about?
[04:52] <Cannoli> i know c, c++, vb, dark basic, q-basic, turing, action script and im learning java
[04:52] <Cannoli> :)
[04:52] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: Yep it works
[04:52] <Tomi-idle> winbond: they change your environment settings so your kde3 programs dont get mixed with kde4
[04:52] <intelikey> Cannoli now word.   don't try everything you see  there are commands like sudo rm -r   that you don't want to issue unless you know exactly what you are doing.
[04:52] <Ellipsys> I tried to use SMB4K, which shows the workgroup and the NAS, but I can't access it. Wonder why
[04:52] <Tomi-idle> changes different working directories
[04:53] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: there is a program that makes it all easier but that works
[04:53] <DaSkreech> SMB4k that's it! :)
[04:53] <jhutchins> Ellipsys: What about smbclient?
[04:53] <winbond> Tomi-idle: but i dont know which 3 its talking about
[04:53] <TheRealInsane> DaSkreech you'Re evil
[04:53] <TheRealInsane> you'Re evil and twisted
[04:53] <Tomi-idle> winbond: the ones that are listed there. export blah blah
[04:53] <Ellipsys> I've never used that one
[04:53] <Tomi-idle> winbond: plug the url you're watching
[04:53] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: Hey there was a fake insane in here trying to be you :)
[04:53] <intelikey> Cannoli you'll want to install   build-essential   as the first extra package in linux   it installs the gnu c complier     a main stay     of programming     and   vim or emacs
[04:53] <jhutchins> smb4k is gui crap.
[04:53] <winbond> Tomi-idle: there are 4 listed , not 3
[04:54] <Tomi-idle> winbond: yeah it's a typo
[04:54] <TheRealInsane> making fun of me by telling me to press key combos and force me to reboot
[04:54] <Tomi-idle> winbond: there used to be only 3. put them all in the file
[04:54] <TheRealInsane> DaSkreech huh?
[04:54] <winbond> Tomi-idle: oh , k , ty
[04:54] <DaSkreech> jhutchins: So is Konqueror
[04:54] <TheRealInsane> You mean Insane`KDE
[04:54] <jhutchins> DaSkreech: Yes.
[04:54] <TheRealInsane> It's me
[04:54] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: No just someone named Insane :)
[04:54] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: I know ;)
[04:54] <intelikey> Cannoli all of which can be done with the pointy clicky thingy   or in a single command in a terminal.
[04:54] <TheRealInsane> Uh-huh
[04:54] <Cannoli> intel: howz the port talk an linux?
[04:54] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: See ^^^
[04:54] <TheRealInsane> Well the guy called just Insane registered his nickname
[04:55] <TheRealInsane> Which forced me to use Insane`KDE or TheRealInsane
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Of course he would be Insane otherwise...
[04:55] <DaSkreech> I mean
[04:55] <DaSkreech> ....
[04:55] <jhutchins> Napoleon the 13th?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> I don't know what I mean :(
[04:55] <Tomi-idle> when you see a keycombo.. consider it as a red button ;(
[04:55] <dougb> does anyone know of a good guide in setting up a PPTP connection to a windows 2003 server in Kubuntu?
[04:55] <Ellipsys> DaSkreech: When I try to access the same share with SMB4K, it always can't connect. It "knows" about the workgroup and all that, but always times out when connecting. Hmm
[04:55] <TheRealInsane> Anyways, who was that joker that made me press Ctrl + Alt + F1?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: that's kinda strange. I can't comment since I've never used it
[04:56] <Tomi-idle> TheRealInsane: that would be me
[04:56] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: I don't think anyone made you
[04:56] <Tomi-idle> TheRealInsane: you didn't read the next line
[04:56] <intelikey> Cannoli personally not being a "programmer" that question would be better fielded by others.    although i'd say top notch
[04:56] <TheRealInsane> Lol
[04:56] <TheRealInsane> What was it?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: but if you had waited 2 mintues you would have seen how to get back here
[04:56] <Cannoli> ic
[04:56] <Tomi-idle> TheRealInsane: that the first graphical session is with ctrl-alt-f7
[04:56] <Cannoli> u dont know abt any speccial protection linux might have do u?
[04:56] <TheRealInsane> Lol.....
[04:56] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: This is alt+ctrl+F7 You went to alt+Ctrl+F1
[04:56] <Cannoli> like windows resitricts it
[04:56] <Cannoli> esp xp
[04:56] <Ellipsys> Ahh well, thanks for your help. At least I have the NAS on a static IP so I can connect to it anytime. Hey, do you know anything about using  Gparted to resize a partition?
[04:56] <Tomi-idle> tty1-6 are terminal sessions. (f1-f6). f7+ are graphical
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: You own Linux
[04:57] <TheRealInsane> I tried startx, stopx, setx, getx, runx, switchx, loadx, usex, havex, gox, x but nothing got me into the gui agian
[04:57] <Cannoli> hahahha
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: It may take a few years for that to sink in but the restrictions are your restrictions
[04:57] <Cannoli> great answer
[04:57] <intelikey> Cannoli put it this way.  when i first asked about programming in linux     the answer was     linux is a programmers * dream
[04:57] <Cannoli> XD
[04:57] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- C programs that access the parallel port probably have to run as root
[04:57] <Dragnslcr> Cannoli- I had to do it in college, so I know it's possible
[04:57] <TheRealInsane> Linux IS a programmers dream
[04:57] <Cannoli> perfect :)
[04:57] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: Well remember Alt+ctrl+F7 and try Alt+Ctrl+F1 again
[04:57] <TheRealInsane> Umm
[04:58] <Cannoli> one last thing before i go clean my hd
[04:58] <TheRealInsane> Can I trust you? xD
[04:58] <Tomi-idle> TheRealInsane: you can launch programs thru your tty's to your graphical session.. i.e "DISPLAY=:0 firefox" would open firefox to your first display
[04:58] <intelikey> TheRealInsane wet
[04:58] <winbond> Tomi-idle: ok , just one more question , how do i strat new session , just type kde 4 in the konsole?
[04:58] <Cannoli> how do u erase the history in the webbrowser?
[04:58] <Cannoli> XD
[04:58] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Which may be the problem :) Programmers suck :)
[04:58] <TheRealInsane> I remember MMORPGs in which people shouted: God mode Alt+F4 and sudenly there was a mass logoff
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Cannoli: Same way you do in Windows
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Format!!!
[04:58] <DaSkreech> No I joke
[04:58] <Cannoli> LMFAO
[04:58] <DaSkreech> From preferences
[04:58] <intelikey> Cannoli which browser ?
[04:58] <Tomi-idle> winbond: if you did what it asked you to. then you can either log out & select a new session. or swiitch user->start new session -> kde 4 from sessions list
[04:59] <Cannoli> i told a friend to do tht once
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Which will be under Settings-> For KDE and under Edit -> for Gnome
[04:59] <Cannoli> he ended up erasing ie from his pc
[04:59] <Cannoli> XD
[04:59] <TheRealInsane> sudo apt-get install beryl
[04:59] <Cannoli> konquerer
[04:59] <intelikey> konqueror has a feature to auto-clean if you set it.
[04:59] <Cannoli> i think its called
[04:59] <winbond> Tomi-idle: alright, thanks
[04:59] <Tomi-idle> winbond: when you copied the kde.session file to the directory you make the login screen find a new session
[04:59] <DaSkreech> winbond: You would do it from KDM as far as I know
[04:59] <TheRealInsane> Cool Ctrl + Alt + F7 worked
[04:59] <intelikey> and the option to clean is there along side that tic box    in the menus
[04:59] <TheRealInsane> trust++
[04:59] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: Level up!
[05:00] <Tomi-idle> winbond: oh. and if you have 2 sessions
[05:00] <DaSkreech> I'm now above a politician :)
[05:00] <TheRealInsane> Now you're not barf, you'Re a minion
[05:00] <Tomi-idle> winbond: --- you can switch between them by ctrl-alt-f7 and f8 and f9 etc
[05:00] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: I just said that!
[05:00] <TheRealInsane> Rise, minions
[05:01] <winbond> Tomi-idle: i didnt do anything with kde.session
[05:01] <DaSkreech> BTW does Kubuntu have XDMCP running?
[05:01] <Tomi-idle> winbond: kde4.session
[05:01] <Cannoli> k im going back to windows for a little bit
[05:01] <Cannoli> to clean up my hd and wht not
[05:01] <Cannoli> bbiab guys
[05:01] <winbond> Tomi-idle: i didnt do anything with that either, what do i need to do with it?
[05:01] <TheRealInsane> Oh heavenly powers of the holy Skreech, bestow the fluid and texture of knowledgepon the sapling of my yearning soul
[05:01] <Cannoli> and thanx for all the help
[05:02] <Cannoli> :)
[05:02] <Tomi-idle> winbond: give me the url of the page you did it from
[05:02] <intelikey> konquerot is 'standards compliant' from what i hear.   and not all webpages are    so while ie and ff may render the page differently than konq and in some openions better   the fact is that the page is borked and the browser is semi-borked by rendering bad html as if it was compliant.
[05:02] <TheRealInsane> Hey cool. I should write poems
[05:02] <swyer> hey does anyone here play WoW? and have it working properly with nvidia?
[05:02] <TheRealInsane> Me!
[05:02] <winbond> Tomi-idle: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[05:02] <Ellipsys> Swyer: I wish! I have a crappy ATI on this laptop
[05:02] <Tomi-idle> winbond: did you do this? "To run it as a full session copy /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop, edit the Name entry in kde4.desktop to be called "KDE 4", put the three export lines at the top of /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and start a new session in KDM with KDE 4."
[05:02] <TheRealInsane> nVidida GeForce running WoW TBC
[05:03] <Tomi-idle> geforcewhat?
[05:03] <arun> anyone here use firestarter?
[05:03] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: You have WOW running in Linux in two days
[05:03] <TheRealInsane> I shall thus repeat my quest for information
[05:03] <DaSkreech> That is addiction
[05:03] <TheRealInsane> Oh heavenly powers of the holy Skreech, bestow the fluid and texture of knowledgepon the sapling of my yearning soul
[05:03] <Tomi-idle> i just came back from the wow-land
[05:03] <DaSkreech> !firestarter
[05:03] <winbond> Tomi-idle: yup , did all that
[05:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[05:03] <TheRealInsane> Now, running on winblows
[05:03] <TheRealInsane> *No
[05:03] <intelikey> name of a TBS game that you like and would reccomend to others  ?
[05:03] <swyer> I have WoW running, but the icon/action bars are kinda slow/unresponsive
[05:03] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: ok have you seen Basket? :)
[05:03] <Tomi-idle> winbond: then you have a new session. and you edited the kde4.session file, and edited startkde file
[05:03] <intelikey> anyone ?
[05:04] <DaSkreech> intelikey: tbs ?
[05:04] <TheRealInsane> DaSkreech no ._.
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Turn based?
[05:04] <intelikey> DaSkreech yes
[05:04] <DaSkreech> !info basket
[05:04] <ubotu> basket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1 (feisty), package size 4826 kB, installed size 7452 kB
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Wesnoth? :)
[05:04] <TheRealInsane> uh-huh
[05:04] <Ellipsys> Oh here's a question for the WoW users: Is anyone using JAceUpdater?
[05:04] <winbond> Tomi-idle: edited kde4.desktop and startkde
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Wesnoth is pretty cool if you give it a day
[05:04] <intelikey> DaSkreech yes have and like ok.   others ?
[05:04] <TheRealInsane> *holds right ear shut to prevent words from going straiht out*
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Globulations
[05:04] <swyer> Ellipsys - whats aceupdater?
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Wait
[05:04] <DaSkreech> that's not Turn based
[05:05] <DaSkreech>  Warlords is
[05:05] <DaSkreech>  So is NERO
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:05] <TheRealInsane> nero??
[05:05] <TheRealInsane> Where's rome??
[05:05] <Tomi-idle> winbond: it goes like this. KDM (the login manager) seachers for the .session files (i.e. kde4.session). adds them to the list of sessions which you can choose :) the session will the run startkde (or any executable)
[05:05] <TheRealInsane> It'S on fire!!
[05:05] <DaSkreech> N.E.R.O
[05:05] <intelikey> DaSkreech is it good ?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Globulation is
[05:05] <swyer> woo i have beryl working
[05:05] <Ellipsys> Swyer: Check www.wowace.com for ACE2 based mods. There is the WoWAceUpdater for windows that automatically updates your UI mod. However, knowing linux and mac folks like autoupdating mods too, someone wrote a Java version
[05:05] <TheRealInsane> never ever read online?
[05:05] <Tomi-idle> winbond: then you can login to the new session :)
[05:05] <DaSkreech> It's interesting :)
[05:05] <intelikey> k
[05:06] <winbond> Tomi-idle: ok , im gonna log out and see what happens  ,ty
[05:06] <TheRealInsane> [n] ever [e] ver [r] ead [o] nline
[05:06] <DaSkreech> But not turn based
[05:06] <Tomi-idle> winbond: wait
[05:06] <Tomi-idle> winbond: you don't have to log out. you can add another session on top of this one
[05:06] <intelikey> any modern war stratigy type   TBS   ?
[05:06] <DaSkreech> I've never got warlords to compile but that was like two years ago
[05:06] <TheRealInsane> Never ever rub orifices :O
[05:06] <Tomi-idle> from k-menu -> switch user -> start new session
[05:06] <winbond> Tomi-idle: ok ill try that
[05:06] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Oh dude there is one that's totally wicked but I don't recall the name LGenerals2 or something
[05:06] <Tomi-idle> winbond:  this way you can always come back to this session with ctrl-alt-f7
[05:07] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: 0_o
[05:07] <TheRealInsane> Should I risk turning on my pc?
[05:07] <TheRealInsane> Don't know if it's safe yet
[05:07] <Tomi-idle> what's the danger? :o
[05:07] <TheRealInsane> Overheated
[05:07] <Ellipsys> Could anyone give me a hand with resizing a partition so that I might install XP for my ATI-based WoWification?
[05:08] <Tomi-idle> mine's doing that too
[05:08] <TheRealInsane> I don't actually feel any hot parts though..
[05:08] <Tomi-idle> bios start shouting beepboopbeepboop
[05:08] <DaSkreech> Ellipsys: Gparted?
[05:08] <TheRealInsane> Mine just froze and emitted a most unpleasent odor of burning plastic
[05:08] <Tomi-idle> TheRealInsane: the cpu can overheat in a matter of seconds if there is nothing to take away the heat
[05:08] <intelikey> DaSkreech wasn't there also a wesnoth like TBS game with ships planes and such ???  what's that called    i'll look in the repos and see if i find it...
[05:08] <TheRealInsane> My coolor is running
[05:09] <TheRealInsane> Play flashgames
[05:09] <Tomi-idle> lol if there's something burning you might want to get all extra cards out of it
[05:09] <geo__> is there a way to run Flash in 64-bit?
[05:09] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I don't know I spend most of my time on HP.org
[05:09] <TheRealInsane> They're made of fin and awesome
[05:09] <Tomi-idle> the mobo could fry them on the way too
[05:09] <TheRealInsane> !flash65 | geo__
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash65 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <DaSkreech> geo__: Yes.
[05:09] <TheRealInsane> !flash64 | geo__
[05:09] <ubotu> geo__: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:09] <DaSkreech> geo__: Is it painful?
[05:09] <McQuaid> regarding the kde4 beta (3.92) pkgs.  I read before that it installs alongside 3.5x and not replace it
[05:09] <DaSkreech> geo__: Yes.
[05:09] <intelikey> DaSkreech wasn't  lgeneral    you were thinking of ?
[05:09] <McQuaid> is that correct?
[05:09] <Tomi-idle> McQuaid: yes. i just did it today
[05:09] <mcrandello> supposedly
[05:10] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:10] <McQuaid> ok
[05:10] <Ellipsys> DaSkreech: I have Gparted open now, and its looking at my single HDD. I let Kubuntu auto partition itself
[05:10] <DaSkreech> intelikey: That would be it. I thought it had a 2 tacked on
[05:10] <mcrandello> sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy kde4base
[05:10] <mcrandello> ;_;
[05:10] <Ellipsys> when I installed. I'm not sure how to resize. Its grayed out
[05:10] <TheRealInsane> Hmm ok..
[05:10] <McQuaid> btw, are other apps available?  like kaffeine, amarok etc? or just the base install of kde4?
[05:10] <TheRealInsane> The odor of burnt plastic is gone
[05:10] <intelikey> DaSkreech well there may be a  2   but that one is in the repos
[05:11] <intelikey> i'll give it a look
[05:11] <Tomi-idle> McQuaid: not worth looking into yet
[05:11] <DaSkreech> McQuaid: the base install would include kaffeine but not amarok I would guess
[05:11] <WaxyFresh> geo__: you can install firefox32 and then throw in the 32bit plugins not painfull at all
[05:11] <Tomi-idle> McQuaid: oxygen style is missing too
[05:11] <Tomi-idle> McQuaid: had to compile it
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Tomi-idle: You lie!!
[05:11] <TheRealInsane> !flash64 | geo__
[05:11] <ubotu> geo__: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:11] <Tomi-idle> i lie none!
[05:11] <McQuaid> missing oxygen?  that's surprising
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Tomi-idle: Which build is that?
[05:11] <TheRealInsane> Hmk
[05:12] <intelikey> OH ME.   he's thrown down the gauntlet
[05:12] <TheRealInsane> I think my normal pc is running fine again
[05:12] <Tomi-idle> DaSkreech: if i don't tell i won't be pointed fingers at :O
[05:12] <TheRealInsane> I'll replugin my lan cable
[05:12] <TheRealInsane> cya brb
[05:12] <Tomi-idle> DaSkreech: there is oxygen style there somewhere then?
[05:12] <Tomi-idle> DaSkreech: i installed pretty much all kde4 packages ... unless there is like some weird style-oxygen-somecrap
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Tomi-idle: which Build is that? alpha2 or Beta 1?
[05:13] <Tomi-idle> beta1
[05:13] <DaSkreech> That sucketh
[05:13] <Tomi-idle> the alpha2 livecd i tested had oxygen there
[05:13] <winbond> Tomi-idle: when i run a new xsession from the current session it hangs on black screen, if i run a kde4 session from login screen it kicks me out back to the login screen
[05:13] <Tomi-idle> gutsys repo packages didn't
[05:13] <phoenixz> If I want to use compiz-fusion, should I also install compiz? I only see compiz-fusion plugins...
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Ah well :)
[05:13] <SapoChule> any one has any references on how well Ubuntu and Debian packages can co-exist on the same machine? [i.e. I WANT THOSE KDE 4.0 PACKAGES O: ]
[05:13] <SapoChule> (-:
[05:14] <McQuaid> that sucketh... heh
[05:14] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: compiz-fusion is the new compiz which was the new black
[05:14] <arun> Has anyone here used Fedora Core?
[05:14] <Tomi-idle> winbond: DaSkreech can help you propably <.<
[05:14] <DaSkreech> SapoChule: there are ubuntu KDE4 packages
[05:14] <su-hoens`rZ> anyone know why the kubuntu alt cd installer doesn't locate 3 of my 4 sata drives even though the bios and the main cd find them fine? :(
[05:14] <intelikey> behold,    that sucketh !
[05:14] <DaSkreech> arun: I had Fedora core 1
[05:14] <intelikey> :)
[05:14] <Tomi-idle> winbond: the kde4 session problem could be if you didn't do exactly as the page said
[05:14] <WaxyFresh> anyone use innotek virtualbox on amd64
[05:14] <phoenixz> DaSkreech, What would you recommend, beryl or compiz-fusion? I remember compiz to be slow as hell..
[05:15] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: new is better
[05:15] <Tomi-idle> beryl is dead. compiz-fusion is developed
[05:15] <phoenixz> I'll give it a chance then..
[05:15] <arun> DaSkreech: were you happy with it? I had tried FC3 at a friend's place once, but I couldn't do anything much with it because the computer wasn't connected to the internet at the time
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Compiz-fusion is compiz+Beryl
[05:15] <Tomi-idle> well beryl aint dead.. more like merged with compiz
[05:15] <intelikey> su-hoens`rZ raid ?
[05:15] <phoenixz> Tomi-idle, so the speed problems with compiz are solved? When I tried Beryl, it was like 5x faster
[05:15] <DaSkreech> arun: All modern linux boxes are like that
[05:15] <su-hoens`rZ> intelikey i wish
[05:15] <arun> I hear KDE4 is going to have native compiz support?
[05:15] <SapoChule> DaSkreech -> I am wondering if I can stick the Ubuntu repository on my deiban's sources.list and everything will be fine....
[05:15] <su-hoens`rZ> intelikey that's what i'm trying to setup
[05:15] <DaSkreech> very cool. Until you install without net
[05:15] <Tomi-idle> phoenixz: i have my share of problems with compiz-f on amd64 ;) not using it atm
[05:15] <Biovore> arun: maybe.. kde4 is still in development..
[05:16] <intelikey> compiz-confusion  ?
[05:16] <DaSkreech> SapoChule: It keeps them contained so it should be good
[05:16] <Tomi-idle> phoenixz: no speed problems on i386 last time i tried.
[05:16] <arun> haha
[05:16] <intelikey> su-hoens`rZ see if there show in      sudo fdisk -l
[05:16] <Tomi-idle> is the kde4 having native compiz support or just opengl support?
[05:16] <su-hoens`rZ> intelikey they don't
[05:17] <DaSkreech> intelikey: no it stopped compiz-confusion with compiz-confucious
[05:17] <Biovore> Tomi-idle: unknow for sure.. kde4 is still in development.. It could..
[05:17] <winbond> Tomi-idle: i did exactly what it said,
[05:17] <DaSkreech> arunkale:no it wont
[05:17] <intelikey> one does the other three don't su-hoens`rZ   same bus ?
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> Yay
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> PC
[05:17] <SapoChule> DaSkreech -> cheers, thanks
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> *PC's actually running
[05:17] <intelikey> well that just don't make any sense
[05:17] <Insane`KDE> And it stopped smelling like burnt plastic
[05:17] <arunkale> how do i disable my NAT firewall from ubuntu?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Tomi-idle: no compiz support in kde4
[05:18] <phoenixz> on KDE4, could I install it next to KDE3 without problems? like that I could choose to use KDE4 @ login?
[05:18] <DaSkreech> None!
[05:18] <su-hoens`rZ> intelikey i think there are 2 busses, with 2 each, and it gets recognized by both bios and the normal install cd, but not the alt cd
[05:18] <Tomi-idle> DaSkreech: thought so
[05:18] <Tomi-idle> COMPIZ TO DUMP
[05:18] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: that's how it works curerntyl
[05:18] <intelikey> su-hoens`rZ  dmesg | less     say anything about them ?
[05:18] <Tomi-idle> that doesn't reflect my real view of compiz in full
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Whatever that means tomi :)
[05:18] <su-hoens`rZ> intelikey let me boot it up
[05:18] <su-hoens`rZ> sec
[05:18] <phoenixz> DaSkreech, okay, so its not like install KDE4 and after that I can reisntall my compu.. :)
[05:19] <Insane`KDE> DaSkreech!
[05:19] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: I'm lost what are you asking? :)
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: !!
[05:19] <Tomi-idle> insane!
[05:19] <Insane`KDE> DaSkreech: /me wants to learn more cool stuff 'bout Linux!!!
[05:19] <Tomi-idle> crap it's 6:20am.. nite
[05:19] <intelikey> !cli | Insane`KDE
[05:19] <ubotu> Insane`KDE: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Tomi-idle: Night :)
[05:20] <Insane`KDE> Like that nifty Ctrl+Alt+F7 thingy
[05:20] <Insane`KDE> Tomi-idle: 5:20 am here ;)
[05:20] <DaSkreech> intelikey: How do I see jpegs on the cli ?
[05:20] <Insane`KDE> Cool stuff like Alt+Space, not like Konsole :P
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: do you have any folders in your ~ ?
[05:20] <Insane`KDE> Yep
[05:20] <intelikey> DaSkreech either links2 -g with frame buffering or svgalibs or something like that   or view image with the same
[05:20] <phoenixz> DaSkreech, that when I install KDE4 with adept manager, that I can just carefully try it, login under KDE4, oohhh and aahhww, then logout, and get back to my stable working KDE3.5something desktop
[05:21] <DaSkreech> Give me the name of one of them
[05:21] <Insane`KDE> Lemme see
[05:21] <ShockValue> hokay, somehow i got my box hacked.. so ive rebooted into the livecd so i can mount my drives and salvage my personal work.. is there something i can do to see what has been hacked, or should i just rebuild?
[05:21] <Insane`KDE> data
[05:21] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: Yes they are kept strictly seperate
[05:21] <intelikey> DaSkreech errr  and i think there is a way to render them dirrectly   like a bit map file        but i haven't plaied with that
[05:21] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: How do you know you have been hacked
[05:22] <Insane`KDE> data, hdb1, cpp and of course many hidden folders
[05:22] <DaSkreech> intelikey: those need aalib ?
[05:22] <intelikey> most likely
[05:22] <SapoChule> one last question... anyone knows a good article about Debian vs Ubuntu, would be nice if it not's bias though (-; I just would like to do a little research since packages seem to be available first on Ubuntu then on Debian, something to consider swapping
[05:22] <DaSkreech> phoenixz: You know they have a Live CD for KDE4 right ?
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: Alt+Space -> data
[05:22] <ShockValue> DaSkreech: lots of proccesses like "portscan2" and such running as root that I didnt start.  running lots of system utilities ended up with a segfault.  now upon reboot, the machine segfaults alot of commands and the screen goes black, and nothing i can do to revive
[05:22] <winbond> Tomi-idle: you know where it sais "run startkde in the Xerphyr xterm." i cant run anything from xephyr couse its just a solid background with a mouse icon , thats it
[05:22] <hitmanWilly> SapoChule: actually, Debian just takes longer to call apps stable
[05:23] <Insane`KDE> Nice
[05:23] <Insane`KDE> It work with /media too?
[05:23] <Insane`KDE> 'cause my HDDs are mounted there
[05:23] <phoenixz> DaSkreech, No I didn't.. But it would require me to download a CD, while installing KDE4 is just quickly done with adept manager.. if its safe, I prefer to do it like that
[05:23] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: ick. check your acces times and find out which files have been accessed sine the last time you know the system was clean
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: now perss Cltr+L
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+L
[05:23] <Insane`KDE> DaSkreech: Any way to get the Katapult onto my other monitor?
[05:24] <SapoChule> hitmanWilly -> well, I was going to point out KDE 4.0 Beta packages as an example d-:
[05:24] <ShockValue> DaSkreech: is there a way to find files on the system like "find * that has been modified in the last 24 hours" type of a deal?
[05:24] <Insane`KDE> Eek
[05:24] <Insane`KDE> Ctrl + L cleared the chat screen
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> SapoChule: they're probably in the Debian unstable
[05:24] <su-hoens`rZ> intelikey for ata2 it says sata link down
[05:24] <su-hoens`rZ> not sure what that meand :>
[05:24] <su-hoens`rZ> *means
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: Whoops Ctrl+Shift+L :)
[05:24] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: Sure
[05:24] <Insane`KDE> Same thing xD
[05:24] <Insane`KDE> Even when unfocused
[05:25] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: find -atime +7 /
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Where 7 = 7 days
[05:25] <Insane`KDE> DaSkreech: Is Ctrl + Shift + L KDE only? 'cause I'm running Beryl right now
[05:25] <WaxyFresh> how do i upgrade to kde 4.0?
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: it's Konqueror
[05:25] <Insane`KDE> Ok
[05:25] <Insane`KDE> Let's see
[05:26] <DaSkreech> WaxyFresh: Should be up on the Kubuntu website
[05:26] <Biovore> WaxyFresh: its not complete
[05:26] <DaSkreech> Insane`KDE: still not doing anything? :-(
[05:26] <Biovore> WaxyFresh: not done yet..  there still building it..
[05:26] <WaxyFresh> Biovore: but is it installable?
[05:27] <Biovore> WaxyFresh: depends.. you can check out what they have put together so far from subversion and build it your self..
[05:27] <level1__> [22:27]  <level1__> I'm using the kubuntu amd64 alternate install cd.   How come there is no option to install grub, only lilo?
[05:27] <Ellipsys> Hmm... after enabling all those Gstreamer plugins and the medibuntu repositories, Kaffine should be able to play Xvids, right?
[05:27] <Biovore> Ellipsys: what backend is Kaffine using?
[05:28] <WaxyFresh> Biovore: :( i dont kow how to build anything that dosent invovle legos
[05:28] <Ellipsys> Biovore: I'm..not sure. How can I check?
[05:28] <arunkale> anyone here use korganizer?
[05:28] <WaxyFresh> Biovore: im gusseing you wouldent be willing to wak me thru it?
[05:28] <Biovore> Ellipsys: Not sure.. I don't use kaffine for video..
[05:28] <draik> Is anyone here using VMware Player? I can't seem to use the VMX from easyvmx.com
[05:28] <Ellipsys> Player Engine is Xine
[05:28] <arunkale> draik: i'm using vmware server
[05:29] <draik> arunkale: Is that what I need for the easyvmx zip file?
[05:29] <Biovore> Ellipsys: install the xinelib-extra package.. let figure out what its actualy called..
[05:29] <draik> arunkale:
[05:29] <draik> Version mismatch with vmmon module: expecting 138.0, got 161.0.
[05:29] <draik> You have an incorrect version of the `vmmon' kernel module.
[05:29] <draik> Try reinstalling VMware Player.
[05:29] <arunkale> draik: the vmx file should work with vmware server.. i've never used the player version, though
[05:29] <Biovore> Ellipsys: libxine-extracodecs <-- thats it..
[05:30] <Biovore> yeah.. I have a copy of workstation here..
[05:30] <arunkale> Ellipsys: xvid files work for me in kaffeine
[05:30] <draik> Sorry, I was hoping that was all on one line
[05:30] <phoenixz> I just installed compiz, and I startd the compiz configuration manager, but it gives me "Compiz is not installed correctly", "The compiz gconf schema appears not to be installed correctly. are you sure compiz is installed with gconf support?".... What is this about?
[05:30] <Biovore> #ubuntu-effects for compviz problems..
[05:30] <SapoChule> hitmanWilly: 3.5.7 still....
[05:31] <Ellipsys> Adept-ing them now
[05:32] <WaxyFresh> would anyone here help me install kde 4.0?
[05:32] <ShockValue> DaSkreech: uh yeah.. lots of files like "ls, nano, dmesg, tar, more" etc have been modified in the last 24 hours.. that doesnt sound good
[05:32] <winbond> DaSkreech: :where it sais "run startkde in the Xerphyr xterm." i cant run anything from xephyr couse its just a solid background with a mouse icon , thats it , u know anything about it?
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> SapoChule: well, not sure then, but you could always compile from source :)
[05:33] <Dr_willis> !info xephyr
[05:33] <ubotu> Package xephyr does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:33] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: accessed
[05:33] <Biovore> ^ thats the recommened way for people who know what there doing.. kde4 will probably be broken out of the box unless you know the guts for KDE
[05:33] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: use mtime to find modified
[05:33] <Ellipsys> Aha! That fixed them for the moment. However, I have the sound all the way up and the video is really quiet. Any ideas?
[05:33] <draik> I can't remove VMware Player =  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)\
[05:34] <winbond> Dr_willis: xephyr is a new xserver, i think
[05:34] <ShockValue> yeah, i did
[05:34] <Dr_willis> in that case he would need to edit his .xinitrc or whatever startup script it uses to actually load a xterm, and paerhaps a window manager
[05:34] <DaSkreech> WaxyFresh: as I said I think there is a pretty detailed walktrhough on the site
[05:35] <WaxyFresh> DaSkreech: thanks
[05:35] <TheRealInsane> DaSkreech: trust--
[05:35] <Biovore> winbond: xephyer is a kdrive server..
[05:35] <SapoChule> hitmanWilly -> that would involve reading the whole process of debian-ising source packages... which I have read a couple of times in the past and keep forgetting because rarely use it.. :P
[05:35] <TheRealInsane> Guess what happened when I hit Ctrl + Shift + L
[05:36] <winbond> Biovore: what is that exactly?
[05:36] <SapoChule> hitmanWilly -> is there a way I install ubuntu with like a netinstall? i.e. apt-get install whatever I need to?
[05:36] <Dr_willis> !netinstall
[05:36] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[05:36] <SapoChule> thanks Dr_willis
[05:36] <Dr_willis> There is some sort of netinstall feature. never used it however
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> SapoChule: meh, never go through all that garbage, just good old fashioned make && make install
[05:36] <Biovore> winbond: a API layer on X  its part of xorg 7.1
[05:37] <TheRealInsane> When I pressed Ctrl + Shift + L:
[05:37] <TheRealInsane> 1) My screen froze
[05:37] <TheRealInsane> 2) my BIOS went EEEEEE OOOOO EEEEEE OOOOO
[05:37] <winbond> Biovore: do you know why i see only a solid background and a mouse icon when i run it?
[05:37] <Biovore> winbond: nope..  I keep getting an error message
[05:38] <TheRealInsane> Anybody know what could be wrong with my pc?
[05:38] <SapoChule> Dr_willis -> What I want is install a base system, and apt-get install whatever I need from there, because I installed ubuntu for a friend once and by default it install all sort of stuff I don't want/need
[05:39] <arunkale> draik: what's the error message
[05:39] <Dr_willis> best to install it from cd, then remove the stuff ya dont need.
[05:39] <hitmanWilly> SapoChule: try the alternate cd
[05:39] <belred> i would like to host my newsgroups with a web interface at my company.  i'm using kubuntu and lighttpd for the webserver.   does kubuntu have a package for this?