[03:09] <micahg> asac: fix for FTBFS for FF3.6 merge proposed
[08:24] <asac> micahg: thx
[08:26] <micahg> hi asac
[08:26] <micahg> did you get my message about seahorse-lugins
[08:28] <asac> micahg: not yet.
[08:28] <asac> is that a mail?
[08:28] <asac> micahg: seahorse plugins is the only one needing xul 1.9?
[08:28] <asac> that one i got ... yes
[08:28] <micahg> yeah
[08:28] <micahg> I thikn that's it
[08:28] <micahg> from what I saw in the sources and packages file
[08:28] <asac> micahg: and for ffox 3.0?
[08:28] <micahg> I jsut did a text search
[08:28] <asac> yeah
[08:28] <micahg> none seem only to depend on it
[08:29] <micahg> they depend on ff | ff3.0
[08:29] <asac> ah cool.
[08:29] <asac> micahg: can you file a bug on that aginats seahorse
[08:29] <asac> ?
[08:29] <asac> i am not sure why it depends on it... i was pretty sure i transitioned
[08:29] <asac> it
[08:29] <asac> maybe it was in a bzr brnach i ignored and next desktop team upload killed my transition
[08:31] <micahg> isn't it webkit based now?
[08:40] <asac> micahg: seahorse?
[08:40] <asac> dont ask me why it needs xulurnner-1.9
[08:43] <asac> micahg: want to prepare the seahorse debdiff?
[08:43] <asac> ;)
[08:43] <asac> oh its probably late
[08:43] <asac> for you (time wise)
[08:43] <asac> i should just do it
[08:43] <asac> once i have the bug from you that would be great
[08:44] <asac> micahg: oh ... did you only check main ... or also universe packages/soures ?
[09:47] <fta> asac, fixed the tip vs default in all ff/xul branches
[09:47] <asac> fta: just saw that ... very good.
[09:48] <asac> fta: did it already work?
[09:48] <asac> e.g. confirmed to help i mean
[09:48] <fta> yes
[09:48] <asac> nice
[09:49] <micahg> what exactly does that mean?
[09:49] <fta> friday, i got rejects for both 3.5 and 3.6 so it made me sick and i fixed it
[09:50] <micahg> I saw the fixes, but I don't understand the difference between tip and default
[09:50] <asac> tip is a messy thing ;)
[09:50] <asac> thats the short version
[09:50] <asac> more fta can tell ;)
[09:52] <fta> tip is just to last commit of that branch. in fact, it's not really a branch as it contains sub-branches
[09:52] <fta> -to+the
[09:52] <micahg> asac: what do I need to do to build a build1 for 3.6b1?
[09:52] <micahg> ok
[09:52] <micahg> so it gets the latest daily vs latest commit?
[09:54] <fta> latest commit could be anything, like a seamonkey sub-branch, or a gecko-something sub-branch going backward compared to what we call trunk (the branch called default)
[09:55] <fta> so it was wrong since the beginning
[09:57] <fta> sm2 and tb3 probably need something similar
[12:56] <gnomefreak> anyone know the command to debug sound? im guessing that is the command daniel wanted me to use
[13:00] <asac> gnomefreak: ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[13:00] <asac> i think
[13:00] <asac> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libequinox-osgi-java_3.5.1-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb
[13:00] <asac> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[13:01] <gnomefreak> i will see if he likes that output
[13:01] <gnomefreak> asac: failed to overwrite?
[13:01] <asac> not sure
[13:01] <gnomefreak> looks like it but you would have to look at the output ;)
[13:02] <asac> bdrung: Unpacking libequinox-osgi-java (from .../libequinox-osgi-java_3.5.1-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb) ...
[13:02] <asac> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libequinox-osgi-java_3.5.1-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.osgi.services_3.2.0.v20090520-1800.jar', which is also in package eclipse-rcp 0:3.5.1-0ubuntu2
[13:02] <asac> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[13:02] <asac> thats from eclipse, isnt it?
[13:02] <gnomefreak> yep
[13:02]  * gnomefreak remembers this conversation in -devel last week (i think)
[13:03] <asac> hmm
[13:03] <asac> about equinox-osgi?
[13:03] <gnomefreak> asac: dont recall if it was the binary or if it was eclipse (your making me rethink what i saw)
[13:04] <gnomefreak> asac: unless you or ft*a talked about it it was in -devel but i dont keep  logs anymore
[13:04] <asac> yeah
[13:04] <asac> let me check ecliupse bugs
[13:05] <asac> bug 455023
[13:05] <gnomefreak> be back shes coming :(
[13:05] <asac> bdrung: ^^ will you fix that ?
[13:05] <gnomefreak> asac: easy enough to fix on your end
[13:05] <asac> gnomefreak: sure. i just want the archive to be fixed
[13:05] <gnomefreak> asac: i agree
[13:05] <asac> i am not paid for getting my personal system worked-around ;)
[13:05] <gnomefreak> true
[13:05] <gnomefreak> oh yeah be back in a few
[13:13] <gnomefreak> ok filing bug he can comment on it
[13:32] <gnomefreak> and bug is filed and it makes me think its due to gnome panel not fully loading on reboot/restart
[14:35] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[14:38] <gnomefreak> hi
[14:39]  * gnomefreak thought i said hi to you already
[14:49] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:00] <gnomefreak> ok finally getting to email
[15:05] <bdrung> asac: yes, i will
[15:08] <eagles0513875> hehe yes u did say hi to me already btw gnomefreak lol
[15:11] <thunderstruck> oh this is going to get old
[15:13] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: = stuck in the revolving door
[15:13] <eagles0513875> every time you try to get out it throws u back outside :P
[15:21] <asac> gnomefreak: thought you were old already ;)
[15:21]  * asac ducks
[15:21] <gnomefreak> :)
[15:23] <[reed]> asac: fyi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/455474
[15:26] <asac> [reed]: asked
[15:28] <[reed]> "asked"?
[15:28] <asac> in bug ;)
[15:29] <asac> [reed]: can you subscribe Paul to lp bug too?
[15:29] <asac> otherwise we should proabyl follow up in bugzilla
[15:29] <[reed]> asac: I looked for a launchpad account for him, but doesn't look like he has one
[15:30] <[reed]> asac: so, yeah, follow-up in bugzilla is fine
[15:30] <[reed]> even if the bug is invalid on our side
[15:30] <[reed]> people can still comment ;)
[15:31] <asac> ok posted there too
[15:38] <gnomefreak> ok be back another reboot :(
[15:38] <eagles0513875> asac: how r you
[15:38] <asac> busy ;)
[15:38] <asac> but good
[15:38] <asac> bbg
[15:39] <eagles0513875> me 2 rough week this week
[15:39] <eagles0513875> hope to get another extension down this weekend
[15:39] <eagles0513875> 3 tests this week only week 3 of school
[15:39] <eagles0513875> rendering a 255 frame simple animation for a friend of mine
[15:44] <asac> heh
[15:51] <gnomefreak> ok done with bugs. im going to cook and/or laydown my back hurts like hell.
[15:55] <eagles0513875> im going to reboot
[17:05] <thekorn> hi,
[17:06] <thekorn> does anyone of you know why python-xpcom in karmic still depends on python2.5, and not python2.6?
[18:26] <asac> thekorn: not sure. let me know if you find out ;)
[18:26] <asac> would have to check
[18:26] <asac> remind me tomorrow to do that ; )
[18:29] <thekorn> asac, ok, I think I will ping you tomorrow about this again,
[18:29] <thekorn> asac, schoenen abend
[18:30] <asac> u2
[19:23] <asac> fta: you dropped:
[19:23] <asac> * Drop the general.useragent.extra.firefox key, it is now in the firefox package as debian/ubuntu-abrowser.js.tmpl - update pref/firefox-branding.js
[19:23] <asac> in the abrowser-3.0 branch?
[19:23] <asac> why that?
[19:24] <asac> hmm
[19:24] <asac> odd
[19:24] <asac> ok
[19:24] <asac> nevermind
[19:24] <fta> uh?
[19:32] <asac> fta: ok pushed bzr push lp:~mozillateam/firefox/awesome-browser-branding-3.5 and updated bzr push lp:~mozillateam/firefox/awesome-browser-branding
[19:32] <asac> with bits needed for 1.9.1+ branches
[19:33] <asac> bug 396156
[19:36] <fta> asac, http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009/10/issue-tracker-data-api-for-project.html   seems ubottu can now be extended to support the google bug tracker
[19:48] <micahg> asac, just wanted to check that bug 452948 is valid before doing the work
[19:49] <asac_> micahg: hi
[19:49] <asac_> micahg: yes. out-of-scope this cycle
[19:50] <asac_> slipped through and i already banged my head because i forgot to do that in the last ubufox round
[19:50] <micahg> yes, I know
[19:50] <micahg> but I can still propose a merge for it for next cycle
[19:50] <asac_> micahg: go ahead. remember to also remove ellipsis for all locales
[19:50] <asac_> sure
[19:50] <asac_> micahg: just prepare it against the ubufox upstream branch
[19:50] <micahg> No, they need to be added :)
[19:51] <micahg> I'll do it after release or final freeze though
[19:51] <asac_> sure. atm your precious time is better spend on release help ;)
[19:51] <micahg> yes, I figured
[19:51] <asac_> e.g. spotting bad regressions that come in through bugs
[19:51] <asac_> maybe testing installs
[19:51] <asac_> (later this week and next week)
[19:51] <asac_> and all kind of other stuff
[19:51] <micahg> Yeah, I need to try to get a handle on the bugs that have been open inthe past few weeks
[19:51] <micahg> New bugs are now half
[19:51] <micahg> of ff3.5
[19:52] <asac_> micahg: oh ... so what i am landing is the "firefox-3.5 takes over world thing" ... i am currently doing a ppa upload so we can pre-verify all kind of upgrade situations
[19:52] <asac_> micahg: thats how it works ;)
[19:52] <asac_> bug list always explode
[19:52] <micahg> ok, I saw the commit
[19:52] <asac_> micahg: did you check the universe list too?
[19:52] <micahg> so this will remove ff3?
[19:52] <asac_> or just main?
[19:52] <micahg> hmmm
[19:52] <asac_> thats the  idea ... just need to double check everything.
[19:53] <micahg> ok, I think I only checked main
[19:53] <micahg> don't know why though
[19:53] <micahg> give me a minute
[19:53] <asac_> sure
[19:53] <asac_> so seahorse-plugins i will fix in the upload i will do
[19:53] <asac_> thats done then
[19:53] <asac_> for xulrunner-1.9 i think main looks good too
[19:53] <asac_> xulrunner-1.9 removal is not that important but would definitly be good too if possible
[19:53] <asac_> at least downgrade to universe is the goal
[19:56] <micahg> universe sources looks good
[19:58] <asac_> micahg: for firefox-3.0?
[19:58] <asac_> micahg: can you do the same checks for xulrunner-1.9?
[19:59] <micahg> I'm looking at Packages right now for ff3,0 uni
[19:59] <asac_> ok thats a good thing then
[19:59] <asac_> ffox 3.0 is top prio
[19:59] <asac_> xul 1.9 high prio
[20:01] <micahg> asac: mozilla-imagezoom ff3.0 only
[20:01] <asac> micahg: can you check if that works with 3.5?
[20:01] <micahg> that's it for ff3.0
[20:01] <micahg> later tongiht
[20:01] <asac> ok thanks
[20:02] <micahg> I'll check xul1.9 later tonight as well
[20:02] <asac> we hav ea bug for this transition
[20:02] <asac> you can add a target
[20:02] <asac> its called "supersede ..."
[20:02] <asac> so searching for supersede on ffox-3.5 should pop that up
[20:02] <micahg> a bug task for that package?
[20:02] <asac> mozilla-imagezoom
[20:03] <micahg> ok
[20:03] <asac> micahg: bug 455517
[20:03] <micahg> assign to you?
[20:03] <asac> yes
[20:04] <micahg> done
[20:06] <micahg> asac: can you look at an nm issue?
[20:06] <micahg> or rather possible nm issue
[20:10] <asac> micahg: what problem?
[20:11] <micahg> Bug  #417757
[20:11] <asac> that was on the mailinig list, right?
[20:12] <micahg> was it?
[20:12] <micahg> idk
[20:12] <asac> i think so
[20:12] <asac> on ubuntu-devel
[20:12] <asac> raised today ;)
[20:12] <asac> have to check with a few folks what they think
[20:12] <micahg> oh, ok
[20:12] <micahg> is that a list I should be on?
[20:12] <asac> not sure what to best do it
[20:12] <asac> disabling ip6 doesnt feel like a right solution
[20:13] <micahg> nope
[20:13] <asac> we came from there a few releases back ;)
[20:13] <asac> micahg: ubuntu-devel? i think so ... device-discuss is lots of ranting and stuff ... but -devel is usually low-traffic as you are only allowed to post after getting whitelisted
[20:13] <micahg> ok
[20:13] <asac> low == depends on what is low  obviously ;)
[20:13] <asac> more traffic than nothing ;)
[20:14] <asac> and more than on -announce lists obviously
[20:14] <asac> av`: could you check mozilla-imagezoom in ubuntu?
[20:14] <asac> it seems the only one depending on firefox-3.0 but not firefox-3.5
[20:15] <asac> would be great to get that fixed
[20:15] <asac> its bug Bug 455517
[20:15] <av`> asac, sure
[20:15] <asac> so if we need to just bump maxVersion thats bets
[20:15] <asac> if we need new snapshot that sok most likely too
[20:15] <av`> asac, gonna have a shower then I'm on it
[20:15] <asac> av`: you can even take a bath ;)
[20:16] <av`> :D
[20:16] <av`> asac, I can prepare you some debdiffs for all the packages listed there
[20:17] <av`> seahorse-plugins needs a respin for gecko --> webkit transition
[20:17] <av`> it actually supports ephy plugin but ephy is no more available with gecko
[20:17] <av`> e.g configure tests are made on gecko only
[20:17] <asac> av`: i am taking care for seahorse plugin
[20:17] <asac> already prepared it
[20:17] <asac> have to dump the ephy part
[20:17] <asac> the respin is for the xulrunner-1.9 build depend
[20:17] <av`> you should see that ephy plugin is disabled
[20:17] <asac> not sure if that makes sense at all
[20:17] <asac> av`: i will disable ephy plugin, yes.
[20:18] <av`> it's disabled by default
[20:18] <asac> or are you saying its already disabled?
[20:18] <asac> av`: hmm. from what i understood it gets enabled if build depends is there
[20:18] <asac> wantd to just drop it
[20:18] <av`> it's disabled by default on 2.28.0
[20:18] <av`> no
[20:18] <av`> it does some tests
[20:18] <asac> and maybe explicitly add --disable-epiphany ... though not needed
[20:18] <av`> to check if ephy-gecko is there
[20:18] <av`> they added some tests to test gecko version
[20:19] <asac> hm. so xulrunner-1.9 was just for ephy-gecko support?
[20:19] <av`> yes
[20:19] <asac> ok will completely drop it then
[20:19] <asac> go ahead
[20:19] <asac> av`: oh wait. i am also supposed to do a full version bump
[20:19] <av`> I did seahorse-plugins update for debina
[20:19] <av`> * debian
[20:19] <asac> so leave it to me  i guess ... already committed to do that
[20:19] <av`> so I investigated them a bit
[20:19] <asac> av`: so you say: drop xulrunner-1.9 completely + drop epihphany-dev
[20:20] <av`> yes
[20:20] <asac> we definitly need to drop epiphany-dev so we can keep it in main
[20:20] <asac> i am happy to fork out a binary package in lucid
[20:20] <av`> asac, you should see Epiphany: disabled
[20:20] <av`> after configure run
[20:20] <asac> no
[20:20] <asac> but i will check
[20:20] <asac> didnt really build
[20:20] <asac> ;)
[20:20] <asac> just checked configure.ac
[20:20] <av`> did you find gecko bits?
[20:20] <asac> which in my impression would just disable it fi the epiphany build dep is not there
[20:21] <asac> cant remember
[20:21] <asac> i just checked when epiphany- gets enabled
[20:21] <av`> actually we have ephy-webkit now
[20:21] <asac> felt like dropping epiphany-dev from build dep would be enough but now that you say
[20:21] <asac> dropping gecko also makese sense
[20:21] <asac> so i will dot that
[20:21] <asac> thanks
[20:21] <av`> so it won't be enabled anyway
[20:21] <asac> av`: we have epiphany-browser again ;)
[20:21] <av`> yep :)
[20:21] <asac> its just that its webkit now
[20:21] <av`> yes
[20:21] <av`> the tests are for gecko
[20:22] <asac> so gwibber is completely fucked
[20:22] <av`> seahorse-plugins needs to be ported to webkit by upstream
[20:22] <asac> i think we shoudl really consider to go back to 1.2 branch
[20:22] <asac> av`: ok. that makes sense ... thanks
[20:22] <av`> np
[20:22] <av`> asac, please ask me for GNOME stuff
[20:22] <asac> haha
[20:22] <asac> ok no problem
[20:22] <asac> i will redirect stuff seb assigns to me ;)
[20:22] <av`> not NM stuff :)
[20:22] <asac> or asks me to do
[20:23] <asac> NM is rarely packaging ... more digging in the deeps of oddities ;)
[20:23] <av`> I will do some work for the desktop team for lucid
[20:23] <av`> I talked with seb some days ago
[20:23] <av`> he did some stuff for GNOME-Debian
[20:23] <av`> too
[20:26] <av`> asac, for imagezoom you just want it to work with ffox3.5 or do you want me to add all new m-d fields?
[20:27] <av`> asac, anyway there is no new upstream release
[20:27] <asac> av`: minimal is better here
[20:27] <asac> folks will look at the diff most likely
[20:27] <av`> so we should hope that hacking the install.rdf will make the work
[20:34] <av`> asac, is 3.5 enough?
[20:34] <av`> or do you want 3.5.*?
[20:39] <av`> asac, the extension works fine but I'm unable to view the preferences menu
[20:39] <av`> dunno if it worked with 3.0
[20:40] <av`> preferences don't work on 3.0 too
[20:40] <av`> so I think it's ok
[20:41] <av`> asac, gonna prepare the update later and upload it
[20:45] <av`> bdrung, xpi:recommends is available on m-d 0.15 too?
[20:45] <av`> imagezoom still uses xpi:depends under recommends field
[20:45] <asac> av`: 3.5.*
[20:46] <asac> thanks
[20:46] <asac> asac: i think recommends was introduced in 0.16
[20:46] <asac> but you could use provides before
[20:46] <asac> err xpi:depends (and put it in as recommends)
[20:46] <av`> so I gonna just hack the install.rdf
[20:46] <bdrung> av`: it's renamed in 0.16 (-> changelog)
[20:46] <av`> and leave xpi:depends under recommends as it is
[20:47] <av`> bdrung, ok thanks
[20:47] <av`> won't bump m-d depends
[20:47] <av`> we just need to have it working on ffox 3.5 actually
[20:47] <av`> we gonna clean it up for lucid
[20:47] <av`> together with all the other missing extensions
[20:47] <bdrung> av`: switch to 0.16
[20:47] <bdrung> av`: and add provides and extends, too
[20:48] <bdrung> asac: eclipse should work now for all
[20:48] <av`> bdrung, actually this is mostly an upload to have it working with ffox3.5 not a clean-up
[20:48] <av`> cause it will go through archive-admins
[20:48] <av`> so changes should be minimal
[20:49] <bdrung> hm
[20:50] <av`> bdrung, maybe gonna add them as well
[20:50] <av`> they are minor changes
[20:53] <asac> bdrung: i will install eclipse a bit later ... had to remove that package for now ;)
[20:53] <asac> so maybe not the best tester to see if this upgrade resolves the upgrade break
[20:53] <bdrung> asac: i have build -0ubuntu2 and tested the upgrade from there ;)
[20:54]  * micahg has eclipse..but the eclipse version :)
[21:00] <fta> micahg, still ok to take over songbird?
[21:01] <micahg> yes
[21:01] <micahg> but I need to find time to set it up
[21:01] <micahg> the bit
[21:01] <micahg> bot
[21:01] <micahg> or should I leave your bot and just commit fixes
[21:01] <fta> you can do the fix 1st, and the bot later
[21:01] <micahg> ok
[21:02] <micahg> so I'll try to work on it in the next few days
[21:02] <fta> wonderful
[21:33] <gnomefreak> !grub2
[21:43] <gnomefreak> i keep breaking shit :(
[21:48] <av`> asac, gonna do imagezoom tomorrow or the day after depending on how busy I am
[21:48] <gnomefreak> asac: we are not changing the branding for ff 3.6 to official for Karmic?
[21:48] <av`> asac, will be done before final freeze of course :)
[21:49] <asac> av`: well. i have to pursue the firefox stuff tomorrow
[21:49]  * gnomefreak doesnt remember screwing imagezoom up
[21:49] <asac> so if you dont make it its ok
[21:49] <asac> av`: just tell me what to do
[21:49] <av`> asac, gonna do it tomorrow morning before leaving then :)
[21:49] <asac> av`: great
[21:49] <asac> thats perfect
[21:49] <asac> thx
[21:49] <av`> np
[21:50] <micahg> are we even including 3.6 in karmic?
[21:50] <gnomefreak> micahg: no i dont think so
[21:50] <gnomefreak> if its not we wont
[21:50] <micahg> ok
[21:51] <asac> heh
[21:51] <asac> well. its basically too late
[21:51] <asac> we could have considered putting it in
[21:51] <gnomefreak> more concered about promises we made we are ng
[21:51] <asac> but i failed the last few weeks on a bunch of things ;)
[21:51] <gnomefreak> that was odd
[21:51] <gnomefreak> asac: it happens :)
[21:51] <asac> gnomefreak: promisses we made we are ng?
[21:52] <asac> sorry. cannot parse that semantically
[21:52] <micahg> well, we can jump straight to 3.7 for Lucid hopefully
[21:52] <gnomefreak> asac: official branding for 3.5 that we told everyone we would
[21:53] <gnomefreak> micahg: it wont be ready so 3.6 needs to go in or we will let you handle all the upgrade to 3.6 bugs :)
[21:53] <asac> gnomefreak: we never told anyone we would do official branding in jaunty if you mean that
[21:53] <asac> they complain all the time ;)
[21:53] <gnomefreak> asac: karmic
[21:53] <asac> but thats not a false promise
[21:53] <asac> gnomefreak: we have official branding
[21:53] <asac> not sure what you see ... most likely just a daily ;)
[21:53] <gnomefreak> asac: we said no to jaunty. my 3.5 still says shiretiro
[21:53] <asac> install all the current karmic packages and you should see official branding
[21:53] <gnomefreak> oops
[21:53] <gnomefreak> shiretoko
[21:53] <asac> gnomefreak: in jaunty yes. in karmic its official ... except dailies
[21:54] <gnomefreak> asac: ah ok good
[21:54] <asac> those are even upstream branded without official branding afaik
[21:54] <gnomefreak> that explains that
[21:54] <asac> if you run 3.5 dailies
[21:54] <asac> gnomefreak: please verify that all is ok with the current karmic versions
[21:54] <asac> ;)
[21:54] <asac> thx
[21:55] <gnomefreak> asac: mine is still borked and i was looking at that 10 minutes ago
[21:55] <gnomefreak> trying to figure out why google search isnt working still
[21:56] <gnomefreak> asac: not your department but any plans on fixing the following for release?
[21:56] <gnomefreak> WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/lsb_release.py is linked but does not belong to any package.
[21:57] <av`> asac, launching firefox-3.5 from terminal returns me nothing
[21:57] <av`> I don't know what happened but after I closed my firefox istance it stopped working
[21:58] <gnomefreak> firefox icon is no longer in pixmaps :(
[21:58] <av`> worked now
[21:58] <av`> still the problem that says it's already running
[22:01] <gnomefreak> ok someone needs to add the official icon back for 3.0
[22:01] <asac> gnomefreak: can you paste output of dpkg -l firefox\* abrowser\* ?
[22:01] <asac> av`: maybe you too ;)?
[22:02] <av`> asac, http://paste.debian.net/49506/
[22:02] <gnomefreak> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/297119/ all extensions including ubufox are disabled
[22:04]  * gnomefreak tries to remove firefox-launchpad-plugin
[22:05] <gnomefreak> i want my official icon back for firefox
[22:06] <gnomefreak> removing that one didnt help anything
[22:06] <av`> asac, I don't know if it is just me but imagezoom don't work at all
[22:06] <av`> in both 3.5 and 3.0
[22:06] <av`> gnomefreak, would you mind doing an apt-get install mozilla-imagezoom?
[22:06] <av`> gnomefreak, and test if it works
[22:07] <gnomefreak> av`: installing it now
[22:07] <av`> I've just installed 3.0 to try it
[22:07] <av`> but nothing
[22:07] <gnomefreak> ill try with 3.5
[22:07] <av`> gnomefreak, http://imagezoom.yellowgorilla.net/install/
[22:07] <av`> to see how it works
[22:08] <av`> gnomefreak, actually you need to hack the install.rdf for 3.5
[22:08] <gnomefreak> isnt this one i woked on?
[22:08] <gnomefreak> worked*
[22:08] <av`> yes
[22:09] <gnomefreak> av`: than it was bumped to 3.5 and worked here
[22:09] <av`> gnomefreak, no
[22:09] <av`> if you apt-get it on karmic now
[22:09] <gnomefreak> av`: if i worked on it last it did :) i tested before pushing
[22:09] <av`> you will see that install.rdf still has 3.0.*
[22:11] <gnomefreak> av`: asac did we fix the m-d bug that made extensions not work (dont recall exatctly
[22:11] <asac> av`: could you try to upgrade to latest bits from my ppa?
[22:12] <asac> av`: https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+archive/ppa
[22:12] <asac> its just a ffox update... want to be sure it doesnt break your configuration during upgrade
[22:12] <av`> gnomefreak, grep -i "maxVersion" install.rdf
[22:12] <av`>        <em:maxVersion>3.5.*</em:maxVersion>
[22:12] <av`>         <em:maxVersion>2.0.0.*</em:maxVersion>
[22:12] <av`>         <em:maxVersion>1.5+</em:maxVersion>
[22:12] <av`>          <em:maxVersion>8.1</em:maxVersion>
[22:12] <av`>          <em:maxVersion>1.7.7</em:maxVersion>
[22:12] <av`>          <em:maxVersion>2.0.*</em:maxVersion>
[22:12] <gnomefreak> av`: looking at it
[22:12] <av`> this is the one I've updated
[22:12] <av`> previous is
[22:13] <av`> grep -i "maxVersion" install.rdf
[22:13] <av`>        <em:maxVersion>3.0.*</em:maxVersion>
[22:13] <av`>         <em:maxVersion>2.0.0.*</em:maxVersion>
[22:13] <av`>         <em:maxVersion>1.5+</em:maxVersion>
[22:13] <av`>          <em:maxVersion>8.1</em:maxVersion>
[22:13] <av`>          <em:maxVersion>1.7.7</em:maxVersion>
[22:13] <av`>          <em:maxVersion>2.0.*</em:maxVersion>
[22:13] <av`> so this is not updated
[22:13] <av`> :)
[22:13] <asac> gnomefreak: once av` checked that the upgrade works, could you also try the ppa? (but wait till he has finished ;))
[22:13] <asac> your configuration is a bit more complex ... so lets go step by step ;)
[22:13] <av`> asac, getting the one of your archive
[22:14] <gnomefreak> asac: no clue what you are refering to
[22:14] <av`> asac, I grab 3.6?
[22:14] <asac> av`: no. just enable ppa ... run update + upgrade
[22:14] <av`> k
[22:14] <asac> great
[22:15] <gnomefreak> what PPA
[22:15] <gnomefreak> asac: mt PPA?
[22:16]  * gnomefreak wonders how this snuck by
[22:18] <gnomefreak> asac: please explain what im testing for and what PPA you want me to enable
[22:19] <gnomefreak> av`: building atm. just test on 3.5 to see if it works?
[22:19] <av`> yes
[22:19] <gnomefreak> av`: ok
[22:19] <av`> gnomefreak, it doesnt work here
[22:19] <av`> :)
[22:19] <gnomefreak> i didnt have it last either :)
[22:20] <gnomefreak> av`: enable - remove unneeded MOZ_EXTENSION_PKG again
[22:20] <gnomefreak> or add it if not there see if it helps
[22:20] <av`> asac, it removes 3.0 stuff
[22:20] <av`> and installs latest 3.5
[22:20] <BUGabundo> evening guys
[22:20] <av`> asac, 3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu6~asac2
[22:20] <BUGabundo> hi gnomefreak, asac
[22:21] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: hi
[22:21] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: long time no see! how are you doing?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> recovering as expected?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> hope so
[22:21] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: ok for now. i am fine its just drs. that think im not
[22:22] <av`> gnomefreak, MOZ_EXTENSIONS_PKG is not there
[22:22] <av`> so that's not the problem
[22:23] <av`> gnomefreak, works for you?
[22:24] <gnomefreak> av`: havent tried. yet
[22:24] <gnomefreak> av`: i dont have time to build it with the above. but im not even getting a context menu item other than block images...
[22:24] <av`> gnomefreak, yes, it doesnt work
[22:25] <av`> that's it
[22:25] <av`> you should see another context menu item
[22:25] <gnomefreak> av`: its not showing in view either hold on a sec let me see if i still have my build
[22:26] <gnomefreak> nope dont. under m-d 0.16 IIRC the above var. may be needed if it fails without it
[22:26] <av`> gnomefreak, we have a not-working extension : /
[22:27] <av`> asac, imagezoom doesnt work at all
[22:27] <gnomefreak> nothing i touched would have broken it after it worked here. try grabbing my last push and see if it helps
[22:27] <av`> asac, it's not a firefox issue
[22:27] <av`> gnomefreak, maybe it's an upstream issue
[22:28] <av`> gnomefreak, upstream latest release is dated 2008
[22:28] <gnomefreak> av`: im still leaning towards the above since it was a known issue
[22:28] <av`> gnomefreak, known issue that imagezoom was broken?
[22:28] <gnomefreak> av`: i got all the menu items before i pushed
[22:28] <gnomefreak> av`: m-d
[22:29] <av`> gnomefreak, m-d issue?
[22:29] <gnomefreak> av`: wrong issue
[22:29] <gnomefreak> remove MOZ_XPI_EMID - if the extension does not show up in Firefox/Thunderbird, it is a bug in mozilla-devscipts (${xpi:Depends} will not work then, too)
[22:29] <gnomefreak> but that isnt the problem seen here
[22:30] <av`> gnomefreak, do you have firefox-3.0 installed?
[22:30] <gnomefreak> av`: does upstreams work? oh and you cant yell at me for this one ;)
[22:30] <av`> gnomefreak, if yes go to http://imagezoom.yellowgorilla.net/
[22:31] <av`> gnomefreak, and test upstream's xpi
[22:31] <asac> av`: check if latest upstream .xpi works better?
[22:31] <asac> or did you try the one from upstream?
[22:31] <av`> asac, no new upstream releases since 2 years
[22:31]  * gnomefreak doesnt have but 5 minutes left i have dinner to finish
[22:31] <av`> we have latest on archive and its broken
[22:31] <gnomefreak> we should remove it than since they are not supporting it anymore
[22:31] <gnomefreak> atleast in Lucid its kind of late in Karmic
[22:32] <asac> av`: hmm ok. works on 3.0 though?
[22:33] <av`> asac, nope
[22:33] <av`> it does not even work on 3.0
[22:33] <asac> hmm
[22:33] <asac> no bug filed what so ever?
[22:33] <asac> please file a removal bug then
[22:34] <asac> i will ack it
[22:34] <gnomefreak> av`: between me nad bdrung we removed alot from debian/rules make sure its not something there
[22:34] <asac> av`: but you see it in addons manager, right?
[22:34] <asac> just doesnt work?
[22:34] <av`> asac, yes
[22:34] <gnomefreak> - removed all browsers from MOZ_XPI_MOZILLA_DIRS
[22:34] <gnomefreak>     - added thunderbird to MOZ_XPI_MOZILLA_DIRS
[22:34] <asac> ok then file archive removal bug ... subscribe ubuntu-archive to it and ask me to confirm it
[22:34] <av`> asac, it's there on addons manager but not works
[22:34] <gnomefreak> - remove unneeded MOZ_EXTENSION_PKG
[22:34] <gnomefreak>     - remove build/mozilla-imagezoom and clean target, mozilla-devscripts will
[22:34] <gnomefreak>       do the job automatically
[22:34] <asac> thx
[22:34] <asac> at best today ;)
[22:35] <av`> asac, there isnt a working icon for it
[22:35] <asac> av`: thats ok.
[22:35] <asac> not all extensions have an icon
[22:35] <gnomefreak> no icon for firefox-3.0
[22:35] <asac> av`: did upgrade work?
[22:35] <av`> asac, upgrade removed firefox-3.0
[22:35] <av`> and installed 3.5.3
[22:35] <asac> hmm
[22:36] <gnomefreak> after todays upgrade my 3.0 icon being used with 3.5 is gone and no longer in pixmaps anywhere
[22:36] <asac> you didnt even have it installed
[22:36] <asac> rc  firefox-3.0    3.0.14+build2+ safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[22:36] <asac> sure you ran the upgrade?
[22:36] <av`> asac, I installed it again
[22:36] <asac> did you run upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[22:36] <av`> to test the extension
[22:36] <asac> hmm
[22:36] <av`> upgrade
[22:36] <asac> ok so upgrade worked?
[22:36] <asac> didnt break
[22:36] <asac> result should be: only firefox 3.5 is available
[22:36] <gnomefreak> asac: where?
[22:36] <asac> all firefox-3.0* and abrowser-3.0* packages should be empty (e.g. transitional)
[22:36] <asac> gnomefreak: ok can you also test that ppa?
[22:36] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+archive/ppa
[22:36] <asac> gnomefreak: just add it
[22:37] <asac> run apt-get update
[22:37] <asac> apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:37] <asac> and let me know if it holds back anything
[22:37] <av`> asac, yes
[22:37] <gnomefreak> i have yours already and its enabled
[22:37] <av`> sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[22:37] <asac> gnomefreak: then run apt-get update
[22:37] <gnomefreak> what version are you looking for?
[22:37] <asac> and apt-get ids-upgrade
[22:37] <asac> apt-get upgrade
[22:37] <asac> gnomefreak: run that lplease
[22:37] <av`> asac, firefox-3.0_3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu6~asac2_all.deb
[22:37] <asac> apt-get update + upgrade
[22:37] <av`> asac, I can't install old 3.0 now
[22:37] <asac> av`: thx thats good. now i want gnomefreak to confirm
[22:37] <av`> :D
[22:37] <av`> it says broken packages
[22:37] <asac> av`: its old
[22:38] <asac> and not installable anymore
[22:38] <asac> unless you downgrade all firefox-3.5
[22:38] <av`> yeah, wanted to test the extensions
[22:38] <asac> thats the idea
[22:38] <asac> not possible anymore ;)
[22:38] <asac> hehe
[22:38] <av`> :D
[22:38] <av`> ok, then
[22:38] <av`> imagezoom broken
[22:38] <av`> that's it
[22:38] <asac> so as long as upgrade upgraded and removed all ffox 3 things its good
[22:38] <gnomefreak> someone tell me what im testing for? my problem av's problem or imagezoom
[22:38] <asac> av`: file bug ;) ...
[22:38] <av`> asac, k
[22:38] <asac> gnomefreak: stop doing imagezoom
[22:38] <gnomefreak> asac: i did
[22:38] <asac> gnomefreak: enable my ppa ... apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
[22:38] <asac> post the log
[22:39] <gnomefreak> asac: and apt-get ids-upgrade doesnt work
[22:39] <asac> gnomefreak: just apt-get upgrade
[22:39] <gnomefreak> asac: i am up to date as of 15 minnutes ago
[22:39] <asac> sudo apt-get upgrade actually
[22:39] <asac> gnomefreak: well. try again please. otherwise post new paste of dpkg -l firefox\*
[22:39] <gnomefreak> Installed: 3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu6~asac2
[22:39] <asac> gnomefreak: ok ffox gone for you?
[22:40] <gnomefreak> asac: yes see the comments about my fucking icon
[22:40] <gnomefreak> asac: add it back please
[22:40] <gnomefreak> :)
[22:40] <av`> asac, anyway imagezoom is not a really useful extensions as far as ffox has the zoom option
[22:40] <asac> gnomefreak: please reopst that comment
[22:40] <gnomefreak> .:17:36:02:. <      gnomefreak > after todays upgrade my 3.0 icon being used  with 3.5 is gone and no longer in pixmaps  anywhere
[22:41] <asac> gnomefreak: what does that mean?
[22:41] <gnomefreak> .:17:05:33:. <      gnomefreak > i want my official icon back for firefox
[22:41] <asac> gnomefreak: why do you need it?
[22:41] <gnomefreak> and so on
[22:41] <asac> if you run dailies your icon is the one of dailies
[22:41] <asac> aka shiretoko
[22:42] <gnomefreak> asac: the orange/red fox icon is gone. i only have 2 earth and one bomb icon
[22:42] <BUGabundo> minefield RULEZ
[22:42] <asac> gnomefreak: did you have a firefox-3.0 starter in the panel and thats now gone?
[22:42] <gnomefreak> asac: i use official icon so i dont get my 3 launchers confused
[22:42] <asac> gnomefreak: thats right. please hover the earth ones
[22:42] <asac> gnomefreak: what versions does it tell you they are?
[22:42] <asac> 3.5 + 3.6?
[22:42] <asac> or 3.5 + 3.5 ?
[22:43] <gnomefreak> asac: 3.5 starter in panel now gone. not really the point i dont want to have to get the icon and add it when it should still be here
[22:43] <asac> gnomefreak: hover with your mouse the earth ones
[22:43] <gnomefreak> asac: wording is right on them
[22:43] <asac> gnomefreak: what is in there?
[22:43] <asac> gnomefreak: did you readd something to the panel?
[22:43] <asac> i need more info
[22:43] <av`> asac, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagezoom/+bug/455836
[22:43] <asac> or are you lokoing at the panel as if you never touched it?
[22:43] <gnomefreak> asac: one that is earth says 3.6 beta... and the one that was the fox icon is 3.5
[22:44] <asac> ok
[22:44] <asac> gnomefreak: so you had a forth icon on the panel for firefox 3.0?
[22:44] <asac> and that is now gone?
[22:44] <gnomefreak> asac: i didnt touch it. after update icon turned into terminal icon
[22:44] <av`> asac, set status and importance accordingly
[22:44] <asac> or did just one icon go from official to unofficial branding?
[22:44] <gnomefreak> asac: no i never had 3.0 in panel but i used its icon
[22:44] <asac> gnomefreak: i thought it turned into earth icon
[22:44] <asac> you confuse me
[22:44] <asac> gnomefreak: ok. thats a different thing then
[22:44] <gnomefreak> asac: the choices in pixmaps is only earth icon
[22:45] <asac> gnomefreak: paste COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l firefox\* once more please
[22:45] <av`> asac, ubuntu-archive subscribed, waiting for your ack
[22:45] <BUGabundo> asac: anything else on the UDEV regression?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> I haven't cought up on bugmail :(
[22:46] <av`> asac, seems to work in debian
[22:46] <gnomefreak> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/297152/  ill be right back im getting yelled at
[22:46] <asac> av`: now its gone. so i dont mind anymore
[22:46] <asac> if you find that it was a different issue feel free to readd it when lucid opens ;)
[22:47] <asac> or we get it through sync again ... who knows ;)
[22:47] <av`> ok, important is that is not there on karmic
[22:47] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm. ok
[22:47] <asac> you shouldnt ahve the daily ppa enabled
[22:47] <asac> please downgrade all firefox-3.5 to archive version
[22:47] <asac> then disable daily
[22:47] <asac> and upgrade
[22:47] <av`> ok, going to sleep
[22:47] <av`> need to wake up early tomorrow
[22:47] <asac> av`: good night
[22:47] <av`> asac, night :)
[22:47] <av`> night all
[22:47] <av`> cya
[22:47] <micahg> gnomefreak: pin the daily PPA below 500 and you should be ok
[22:48] <asac> gnomefreak: your official icon is gone because you simply dont have a official firefox installed atm
[22:48] <asac> gnomefreak: you are running dailies everywhere
[22:48] <asac> so downgrade to release version and upgrade to my ppa version should make 3.5 a defaul icon
[22:51] <gnomefreak> last i knew it should still show up in /usr/share/pixmaps
[22:51] <gnomefreak> asac: and it will be removed once i go back to daily
[22:52] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. if you want to keep ofificial icon you need to pin firefox-3.5 to the official archive
[22:52] <asac> i assume you dont really want to run 3.5 dailies
[22:52] <asac> rahter just 3.6 and 3.7
[22:52] <gnomefreak> hard to test dailies without them
[22:52] <asac> gnomefreak: you can apt-PIN firefox-3.5 packages to real archive
[22:53] <asac> fta probably knows how
[22:53] <micahg> that or pin the ppa lower than archive
[22:53] <asac> we should put that in a wiki at some point
[22:53] <asac> or finally do the reorg ;)
[22:53] <gnomefreak> i know how but that will not upgrade dailies
[22:53] <gnomefreak> cant test daily unless im on a daily
[22:53] <asac> gnomefreak: it will upgrade everything but 3.5
[22:53] <gnomefreak> asac: i know
[22:54] <micahg> asac: if I want to build 3.6b1+build1 in my ppa, do I just need to tar.gz the .bz2 file from mozilla?
[22:56] <gnomefreak> no you can use get-orig command from m-d
[22:57] <gnomefreak> ./debian/rules get-orig-source  should get you latest tarball
[22:58] <asac> micahg: no. please build it using our scripts
[22:58] <asac> mozilla-devscripts
[22:58] <asac> you can do like:
[22:58] <asac> ./debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_TAG=FIREFOX_3_6b1_BUILD1
[22:58] <asac> in xulrunner and firefox
[22:58] <asac> actually:
[22:59] <asac> ./debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_TAG=FIREFOX_3_6b1_BUILD1=3.6~b1+build1
[22:59] <asac> in firefox
[22:59] <asac> and
[22:59] <asac> ./debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_TAG=FIREFOX_3_6b1_BUILD1=1.9.2~b1+build1
[22:59] <asac> in xulrunner
[22:59] <asac> if you want to be nice and dont collide with whatever i produce you could also do
[22:59] <asac> ./debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_TAG=FIREFOX_3_6b1_BUILD1=1.9.2~b1+build1~micahg
[22:59] <asac> and
[22:59] <asac> ./debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_TAG=FIREFOX_3_6b1_BUILD1=3.6~b1+build1~micahg
[22:59] <micahg> asac: I was going to add something at the end when I uploaded it
[23:00] <asac> thew firs particle is the tagname
[23:00] <gnomefreak> daily PPA has b1 build1 doesnt it?
[23:00] <micahg> generally ~karmic~ppa1
[23:00] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, it's preb2
[23:00] <asac> micahg: yes. but thjats package revision ... if you do what i said above even your upstream revision has a lower version
[23:00] <asac> which unless we share the tarball later is the right way
[23:00] <micahg> ok
[23:01] <micahg> but won't the package version be 3.6~b1+build1~micahg+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~karmic~ppa1?
[23:01] <micahg> or does it not matter anywyas
[23:01] <asac> yes. not sure if that is a problem ;)
[23:01] <asac> looks lower than 3.6~b1+build1+nobinonly
[23:01] <micahg> ok
[23:02] <asac> maybe run that against dpkg --compare-versions VERSION1 lt VERSION2  && echo yes.
[23:02] <gnomefreak> asac: btw the pinning how to is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto?action=show  did my share of updating it but seems needs to be updated again we no longer have an /etc/apt/preferences file anymore
[23:02] <asac> to ensure that version1 is lower than version2
[23:02] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. but tahts abstract. i think we could be more concrete for our dailies etc.
[23:02] <micahg>  yes
[23:03] <micahg> gnomefreak: you just create the file
[23:03] <micahg> is there another place to put it?
[23:03] <gnomefreak> asac: we will have to since none apply to dailies
[23:03] <asac> yes
[23:03] <asac> gnomefreak: so ... micahg and fta already did that. so maybe get brain dump from them and write a quick wiki article
[23:04] <asac> in MozillaTeam/DailyArchive ... or something
[23:04] <gnomefreak> would be great if i knew of a command to add priority on pins
[23:04] <asac> its a manual edit
[23:04] <asac> not acommand afaik
[23:04] <gnomefreak> asac: edit would be great if there was a file already but i guess making one is my only way
[23:05] <micahg> I had to create mine
[23:05] <fta> me too
[23:06] <gnomefreak> what release did you use?
[23:06] <gnomefreak> a=karmic?
[23:06] <micahg> you don't need to pin to a relase
[23:06] <micahg> *release
[23:07] <micahg> or rather to a=release
[23:07] <micahg> pinning to origin is easier for PPAs
[23:07] <micahg> ugh
[23:07] <micahg> let me try that again
[23:07] <micahg> pinning to release o= is easier for ppas
[23:08] <gnomefreak> micahg: pastebin your file something isnt right here
[23:09] <asac> bdrung: eclipse update now pulled in a new/odl failure: bug 455647 ... pinged doko in -devel about that
[23:09]  * gnomefreak didnt have any eclipse update problems
[23:09] <micahg> pastebin - collaborative debugging tool <http://pastebin.com/f6444d071>
[23:10] <fta> asac, if we (as in you ;)) draft the ppa reorg somewhere, i can do it shortly
[23:12] <bdrung> asac: how is libjaxp pulled in?
[23:13] <bdrung> asac: found another small issue. so i am going to upload -0ubuntu8 the next days
[23:13] <gnomefreak> micahg: this should work? http://paste.ubuntu.com/297173/
[23:14] <micahg> gnomefreak: do you want the daily?
[23:14] <micahg> if not, lower pin to 450
[23:14] <micahg> if you always want the daily then 550 is good
[23:14] <gnomefreak> micahg: no dont want the daily
[23:14] <micahg> yeah, lower to 450
[23:14] <micahg> anything below 500 (archive default)
[23:16] <gnomefreak> be back in a few. thanks micahg it was so much simplier when you could pin a whole package to version you have :)
[23:24] <gnomefreak> are we sure <500 goes to official archives?
[23:25] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, 0
[23:25] <micahg> you're saying the PPA is <500, so you get the archive
[23:25] <gnomefreak> micahg: with 450 im still getting PPA
[23:25] <micahg> you could just pin the archive firefox higher
[23:25] <micahg> gnomefreak: you need to manually install the archive version first
[23:26] <gnomefreak> i removed purged than installed and it defaulted to PPA
[23:26] <micahg> then you won't get updates from the PPA anymore
[23:26] <micahg> what does apt-cache policy firefox-3.5 show?
[23:26] <gnomefreak> Installed: (none) Candidate: 3.5.5~hg20091019r26486+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[23:27] <micahg> that's it?
[23:27] <micahg> do you have the regular archives enabled?
[23:27] <gnomefreak> micahg: no
[23:28] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ policy firefox-3.5
[23:28] <gnomefreak> firefox-3.5:
[23:28] <gnomefreak>   Installed: (none)
[23:28] <gnomefreak>   Candidate: 3.5.5~hg20091019r26486+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[23:28] <gnomefreak>   Package pin: 3.5.5~hg20091019r26486+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[23:28] <gnomefreak>   Version table:
[23:28] <gnomefreak>      3.5.5~hg20091019r26486+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 450
[23:28] <gnomefreak>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages
[23:28] <gnomefreak>      3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu4 450
[23:28] <gnomefreak>         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages
[23:28] <gnomefreak>      3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 450
[23:28] <gnomefreak>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages
[23:28] <gnomefreak>      3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1 450
[23:28] <gnomefreak>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages
[23:28] <gnomefreak> and yes all official archives are enabled
[23:28] <gnomefreak> why is official 3.5.3 pinned?
[23:28] <gnomefreak> 3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu4 450
[23:28] <gnomefreak> .:18:28:01:. <      gnomefreak >         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[23:29] <micahg> default is 500
[23:29] <gnomefreak> 3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu4  should be default
[23:29] <gnomefreak> but it shows 450 after version doesnt it?
[23:30] <micahg> cna you pastebin the whole thing
[23:30] <gnomefreak> micahg: on it
[23:30] <micahg> here's mine http://pastebin.com/f29dfc8ac
[23:31] <gnomefreak> micahg: here is my pin file http://paste.ubuntu.com/297182/
[23:31] <micahg> gnomefreak: BTW, pastebinit is a nice app
[23:31] <gnomefreak> i have it
[23:31] <gnomefreak> cant use it unless its a file
[23:31] <micahg> nope pipe output to it
[23:32] <gnomefreak> micahg: too hard :)
[23:32] <micahg> this is hard? apt-cache policy firefox-3.5 | pastebinit
[23:32] <gnomefreak> micahg: this late for me yes
[23:32] <micahg> ah
[23:32] <gnomefreak> i should be eating and going to sleep in a few hours
[23:33] <micahg> ok, well you can catch me in the morning if I'm still up
[23:33] <gnomefreak> no browser is opening now damnit
[23:34] <micahg> sudo aptitude install firefox-3.5=3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu4
[23:34] <micahg> after that, you shouldn't get the ppa offered as an automatic update
[23:37] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks working on it
[23:38] <asac> micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/297193/
[23:38] <asac> you see anything i missed?
[23:39] <asac> thats what is in ppa ;)
[23:39] <asac> ran a couple of tests on it ... have to check a few xulrunner upgrades tomorrow morning before the upload
[23:39] <micahg> I don't think so
[23:40] <micahg> unless we want to apply the patch for the GTK trough issue
[23:40] <micahg> ^^border issue
[23:41]  * micahg needs to start using his server for package maintenance :)
[23:43] <gnomefreak> oh fuck this it still wants to upgrade me to latest PPA version.
[23:43] <micahg> what...
[23:43] <micahg> that's weird
[23:43] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: Language
[23:43] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: TOMORROW
[23:43] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:43] <gnomefreak> oiops sorry caps
[23:44] <gnomefreak> micahg: hold on
[23:45] <micahg> gnomefreak: try changing /etc/apt/preferences to Package: *
[23:45] <gnomefreak> micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/297201/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/297200/
[23:45] <micahg> you'll still get updates for ff3.6 and 3.7
[23:45] <gnomefreak> micahg: package?
[23:46] <micahg> make this your preferences file : http://paste.ubuntu.com/297204/
[23:46] <gnomefreak> i used Package: firefox and firefox-3.5
[23:46] <micahg> gnomefreak: there are more packages than that
[23:46] <micahg> it's easier to pin everything
[23:46] <gnomefreak> micahg: that will stop tbird3 and ff3.6 3.7 updates
[23:46] <micahg> you'll still get updates to the ones you have installed from the ppa
[23:46] <micahg> no
[23:46] <gnomefreak> oh
[23:47] <micahg> since those are not in the archive, the PPA is the best choice
[23:49] <asac> micahg: why do you need to start your server for package maintenance?
[23:49] <micahg> hg clone kills my laptop :)
[23:49] <asac> and no ... i dont think i want to take the gtk through issue. it should come from upstream
[23:49] <asac> .5
[23:49] <asac> micahg: ah ;)
[23:49] <micahg> ok
[23:49] <asac> hehe
[23:50] <asac> yeah. thats what those big projects are about
[23:50] <asac> ;)(
[23:50] <asac> killing hardware
[23:50] <asac> if you spin mozilla trees all day your disk will probably not survive the normal time either ;)
[23:50] <micahg> server has SCSI drives :)
[23:53] <micahg> Ok, I'm pushing up 3.6~b1+build1~micahg now
[23:53] <asac> hehe
[23:54] <asac> micahg: also xul?
[23:54] <micahg> I still have to push that up
[23:54] <asac> k
[23:54] <micahg> I'll do that on my server :)
[23:55] <micahg> asac: is it better to have a different ssh key per system?
[23:56] <gnomefreak> asac: noone filed a bug on googles search on firefox toolbar not working?
[23:56] <micahg> gnomefreak: yeah someone did
[23:56] <micahg> idr the bug #
[23:57] <gnomefreak> micahg: have link handy
[23:57] <gnomefreak> nm
[23:57] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe the upgrade fixes it?=
[23:57] <asac> gnomefreak: do you see the search issue?
[23:57] <gnomefreak> asac: no
[23:57] <gnomefreak> issue was there under yours official and umd
[23:57] <micahg> hmm
[23:58] <micahg> I thought someone did
[23:58] <asac> i thoguth it might have been due to the bustage of extension manager
[23:58] <gnomefreak> and 3.6 doesnt start
[23:58] <asac> gnomefreak: 3.5
[23:58] <asac> ;)
[23:58] <asac> micahg: what bug id was that again? did we get more duplicates?
[23:58] <gnomefreak> asac: no i wanted to try with 3.6 but it wont launch
[23:58] <micahg> which one?
[23:58] <asac> search broken
[23:59] <micahg> hmm
[23:59] <gnomefreak> 3.7 works
[23:59] <micahg> there's a keywords not working bug 428306
[23:59] <asac> hmm that one too
[23:59] <asac> but there also was a bug about search groken
[23:59] <gnomefreak> i dont have that problem since it doesnt do anything
[23:59] <asac> broken
[23:59] <asac> ara filed it
[23:59] <gnomefreak> be back in a minute


[01:28] <Seeker`> anyone seen the dell selling nvidia quadros for £12?
[01:28] <Tm_T> nope
[01:30] <Seeker`> http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&cs=ukdhs1&sku=A1662660
[01:34] <Tm_T> Seeker`: like to get me two of those? (:
[01:34] <Seeker`> heh
[01:34] <Seeker`> its all over the net
[01:34] <Flannel> Tm_T: nvidia octo, eh?
[01:35] <Seeker`> I put in an order for 1 just in case
[01:35] <Seeker`> no chance it will go through
[01:35]  * Flannel has AGP only!
[01:35] <Seeker`> http://www.overclock.net/online-deals/439957-dell-uk-pny-nvidia-quadro-fx-6.html
[01:35] <Seeker`> http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/316539/nvidia-quatro-fx460-only-12-inc-del/
[01:38] <Tm_T> Flannel: ?
[01:38] <Flannel> Tm_T: I have AGP for my graphics card
[01:42] <Tm_T> Flannel: so do I but what octo?
[01:42] <Flannel> Tm_T: Oh, 2xquadros = 8
[01:43] <Seeker`> I dont know why but I feel a bit nervous about having ordered one now
[01:44] <Flannel> Heh
[01:44] <Tm_T> Seeker`: how so?
[01:45] <Tm_T> Seeker`: and did you order it for me?
[01:45] <Tm_T> because I definately would like to use one of those
[01:47] <Seeker`> I ordered it for me
[01:47] <Seeker`> dont have the money to order more than 1 sadly
[01:48] <Seeker`> and just something doesn
[01:48] <Seeker`> t feel quite right about it
[02:05] <nickrud>  Seeker` I hope they don't hit your for 1,295
[02:05] <nickrud> s/your/you/
[02:06] <Flannel> Well, if they bump the price you can cancel it
[02:07] <nickrud> Flannel, by the way storage, if you decide to use it, is confirmed
[02:08] <Flannel> nickrud: Sounds good.  Looks like we're also getting some good news on the GBJ front too.  One of the organizers has suggested we hold one in a room.
[02:08] <Flannel> Which is nice, since we were sort of bummed about them overlapping.  But weren't really sure holding a BoF session as a bugjam would be appropriate
[02:08] <nickrud> excellent. Some serious presentation experience for someone
[02:09] <Flannel> Well, if you read the logs from the meeting yesterday, we're hoping we can move our presentations there too, maybe three per day or two or something.  That'd be a lot more feasible.
[02:09] <nickrud> ah, I see what you're talking about. But I think some people would get a lot out of just watching one
[02:10] <Seeker`> nickrud: part of their terms and conditinos that if things cange, you can cancel
[02:10] <nickrud> Seeker`, it was a joke more than anything. I'm assuming your credit card company protects you from that anyway.
[02:11] <nickrud> but here's hoping for you :)
[02:11] <Flannel> nickrud: Yeah, We'll be holding a bug jam (hopefully) throughout the day.  Both running one, and going over how to run one, etc.
[02:11] <Flannel> Or, that's the plan anyway... Hopefully we'll have enough manpower.
[02:12] <nickrud> always the key question when it's voluteer run. personal experience is estimate 60% show up
[02:12] <Seeker`> nickrud:                                                                                11.4 Customer indemnifies Dell for any claim which arises due to Customer’s own actions of which Dell had no knowledge or could not reasonably be expected to have
[02:12] <Seeker`>                                                                                had knowledge, or for any claim related to IM or IPR specified or owned by Customer & integrated into Product.
[02:12] <Seeker`> 3.1 The Price that Customer has to pay will be shown on Dell’s Order Confirmation and invoices. The cost of freight, insurance, import or export, duties or other
[02:12] <Seeker`> associated costs such as delivery, sales, value add, excise taxes shall be added unless already specified as included in the Price.
[02:12] <Seeker`> woops, didn't that that would be so big, sorry
[02:13] <Seeker`> I've got and order confirmation stating £12 or so, so their only option would be to cancel, which I suspect they will based on the number that have been ordered
[02:13] <nickrud> that protects the company anyway.
[02:15] <Flannel> Well, does the invoice say 12?
[02:15] <nickrud> if someone misplaced a comma/period in a database, I'm sure it'll show everywhere
[02:15] <Flannel> Right, so: 3.1 The Price that Customer has to pay will be shown on Dell’s Order Confirmation and invoices.
[02:16] <Seeker`> order confirmation states £12.95
[02:16] <Flannel> If they (likely) misplaced something, then you're not oblidged to pay it.
[02:16] <nickrud> Flannel, one last question my boss had: when do expect to arrive with the stuff?
[02:16] <Flannel> IANAL and all that fun stuff.
[02:16]  * nickrud knew that
[02:16] <Flannel> nickrud: Erm... I don't think there'll be anything except for Sat night to Sun morning.
[02:16] <Seeker`> right, to bed!
[02:16] <Flannel> and... I don't know what time the expo is, so I can't estimate yet.
[02:16] <Seeker`> g'night
[02:17] <nickrud> Flannel, then that's even easier.
[02:17] <nickrud> Flannel, enough then, just keep me up to date on what I need to know
[02:17] <Flannel> nickrud: Yeah, since most people will be bringing stuff Sat morning.  Fri is just a setup time for us.
[02:22] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: I too, am eating homemade soup!
[02:23] <Flannel> but, I just throw everything into a crock pot
[02:43] <Jack_Sparrow> seeker, I just beat your price on that card by 8 L
[02:43] <Jack_Sparrow> http://www.e-plenish.com/pgProduct.cfm?cx=7E77839DD37678338BD84FC6D1B8C3520B93E03B5A1DCA080D04FE58BFA3E9B8A89796D8DCE8E351
[02:55] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: That gutsyupgrades link isn't expired
[02:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Flannel, The other one on feisty
[02:56] <Flannel> oh, must have missed it.
[02:56] <Jack_Sparrow> that would still work if feisty was not eol
[02:56] <Jack_Sparrow> gtsy upgrade link is fine
[02:58] <Flannel> Well, going from Feisty to Gutsy still works, you just have to move to old-releases for feisty updates
[03:08] <Jack_Sparrow> @!login
[03:08] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[03:08] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[06:53] <Flannel> Hi fdoving, how can we help you?
[07:01] <Flannel> mmm, nevermind.
[09:11] <Myrtti> humdidumdidum
[09:16] <elkbuntu> Flannel, i have to admit, i dont actually understand where he fits in
[09:29] <elkbuntu> how long have the forums been down now?
[09:57] <ikonia> didn't know they where
[09:57] <elkbuntu> about the past 5 hours that i'm aware of
[09:58] <elkbuntu> one of the dual-booters at work decided to follow a tutorial to install virtualbox that involved messing with his menu.lst
[09:58] <elkbuntu> "it looked like something important, but i was following the tutorial"
[09:59] <elkbuntu> turns out he edited it in something that was not a plain text editor
[09:59] <Myrtti> oops
[09:59] <elkbuntu> slightly
[09:59] <elkbuntu> it took 2 hrs, but i finally untangled the mess
[10:00] <elkbuntu> and banned him from tutorials :P
[10:00] <ikonia> sonds tedious
[10:00] <ikonia> sound
[10:00] <ikonia> some docs out there are so bad
[10:00] <elkbuntu> ikonia, the fun part is trying to figure which partition is which, when you factor in stuff like extended partitions
[10:01] <ikonia> yes extneded partition numbering is annoying
[10:01] <elkbuntu> of course, repeated reboots into a livecd to do the fixing and the fscking at the end
[10:02] <ikonia> wise to fsck
[10:03] <elkbuntu> didnt have a choice
[10:03] <elkbuntu> he managed to unsettle a few dozen inodes
[10:05] <ikonia> h
[10:05] <ikonia> ha
[10:05] <elkbuntu> although, that could have been me fixing too
[10:05] <elkbuntu> but me having to do that was entirely his fault :P
[10:07] <topyli> elkbuntu: what did you have there then? menu.doc perhaps?
[10:13] <elkbuntu> topyli, it might as well have been. it was binary garble
[10:13] <theunixgeek> elkbuntu: It's been well over 48 hours and you haven't unbanned me from #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:14] <elkbuntu> theunixgeek, because we had to talk first, and i have not seen you
[10:14] <theunixgeek> elkbuntu: well, may I be unbanned now? :)
[10:14] <elkbuntu> theunixgeek, do you understand yet why what you did was wrong?
[10:14] <theunixgeek> elkbuntu: yes
[10:14] <elkbuntu> theunixgeek, then just to make sure you understand correctly, would you like to tell me why it was wrong?
[10:15] <theunixgeek> elkbuntu: I let somebody troll knowing they had already done that
[10:17] <elkbuntu> that's what you did, not why it was bad
[10:19] <elkbuntu> theunixgeek, do you understand *why* it was wrong?
[10:19] <theunixgeek> elkbuntu: it was bad because it involved people in something futile and useless that took their attention away from whatever chat they were involved in, including aimlessly flooding the channel
[10:21] <elkbuntu> excellent. topyli as the banner, are you satisfied with this response?
[10:21] <topyli> very. ten points!
[10:22] <Myrtti> and a badge
[10:22] <theunixgeek> :P
[10:22] <theunixgeek> :)
[10:25] <elkbuntu> the ban is lifted, you can now re-join on probation.
[10:25] <theunixgeek> thank you, elkbuntu and topyli
[10:25] <theunixgeek> :)
[10:26] <theunixgeek> may I /part this channel?
[10:26] <Myrtti> yes please
[10:26] <Myrtti> thank you
[10:26] <elkbuntu> immediately joins and asks for a free host...
[10:37] <topyli> reminds me, whatever became of nbeebo :)
[10:38] <topyli> on #debian and ##defocus. i guess he's happy
[10:39] <elkbuntu> seems we are his one-stop-shop for completely irrelevent stuff you could google for in half a second
[10:40] <topyli> outsourcing search
[10:41] <elkbuntu> i wonder who that could possibly be
[10:41] <topyli> my guess is he just wanted to join -ot and feel the love
[10:41] <elkbuntu> ikonia, is it your bestest friend, or someone else's?
[10:45] <Myrtti> @login
[10:45] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[10:46] <Myrtti> lovely
[10:58] <ikonia> who sorry
[10:58] <ikonia> I was just outside
[10:59] <elkbuntu> ikonia, is the otenet.gr buddy yours?
[10:59] <ikonia> yes it was him
[10:59] <ikonia> sken
[10:59] <ikonia> rats missed him
[11:00] <ikonia> ughhh to just do<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:00] <ikonia> it's always him
[11:29] <Myrtti> moar coffee
[11:31] <Myrtti> I must have teleported to some alternative universe
[12:00]  * Myrtti huggles popey
[12:01]  * popey huggles Mez
[12:01] <popey> eek!
[12:01] <popey> tabfail
[12:01]  * popey huggles Myrtti
[12:01] <popey> phew
[12:02] <Gary> huggles!!!
[12:23] <Myrtti> theme of today: forgetting important stuff.
[12:25] <Myrtti> I woke up after three hours of sleep three hours earlier than usual to do - something I forgot
[12:25] <Myrtti> then I was going to ask someone - something important I forgot
[15:53] <jussi01> Tm_T: sabdfl is active in a meeting in -meeting now if you want him
[15:53] <Pici> @now
[16:10] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[16:10] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[16:22] <jussi01> hehe
[16:22] <Myrtti> :-|
[16:22]  * Myrtti slaps K-4U and jussi01
[16:24] <Myrtti> hrmmm
[16:24] <Myrtti> [18:24] ~~~h0tsh1t<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[16:24] <Myrtti> oh snap
[16:31] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: ftw = for the win, not f** the world
[16:32] <Jack_Sparrow> It can mean both
[16:33] <Jack_Sparrow> Even http://dot.com.do/BTWgloss.html       agrees
[16:33] <Pici> The past few years its come to mean 'for the win' more often than not.
[16:34] <jussi01> Pici: +1
[16:35] <Ursinha> never saw that meaning other thing than for the win
[16:36] <Jack_Sparrow> Im showing my age again
[16:36] <Jack_Sparrow> For 10 years it meant the other
[16:42] <jussi01> stdin: all yours mate. Ive had a long day and Ill probably hose someone...
[16:43] <stdin> jussi01: I'll probably just end up banning sooner or later
[16:46] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[16:58] <stdin> tritium: mandy666 is also on that IP
[17:01] <ikonia> jussi01: pong
[17:01] <jussi01> ikonia: pm -> :)
[17:02] <ikonia> sure
[17:10] <tritium> stdin: talked with him/her.  Good attitude, so I'm removing.
[17:11] <tritium> Thanks for the notice.
[17:11] <stdin> thank FloodBot1, it notified me ;)
[17:11] <tritium> Ah ;)
[17:34] <Tm_T> jussi01: bah, missed
[17:49] <Pici> Uh
[17:50] <Pici> oops
[17:53] <Jack_Sparrow> @mark Neo_The_User #ubuntu  On join spamming users.. then quick part
[17:54] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: He has a history of doing that
[17:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Noted..
[17:55] <Jack_Sparrow> Should I add more to the mark
[17:55] <Jack_Sparrow> Still catching my breath after my 4 mile hike..
[18:24] <jussi01> [20:23:37] --> Lezdepeze_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-server
[18:24] <jussi01> [20:23:39] <Lezdepeze_> http://www.to-6.net/?uid=263320
[18:24] <jussi01> !staff | ^^
[18:24] <vorian> jussi01: did you see his quit message?
[18:25] <jussi01> vorian: heh... yeah, now i did...
[18:25] <vorian> :)
[18:27] <pricechild> Wow, just searched google for something and an ubuntuforums result popped up. And it recognises posts and when they were last made etc. and formats them.
[18:27] <pricechild> skypes one too
[18:35] <Pici> pricechild: Thats pretty neat.
[18:35] <pricechild> I'm sure its been around for a while but we just haven't seen it.
[18:37] <Pici> I wonder if thats something google is doing automagically for all vbulletin installs or something from their webmaster tools
[19:23] <Amaranth> @help
[19:23] <Amaranth> @login
[19:24] <Amaranth> is there a way to look up fdo bugs using ubottu?
[19:24] <Amaranth> nevermind
[19:34] <CShadowRun> Hey, i made a edit to ubuntu-uk's ubot5 at 19:08:05, can anyone approve that please?
[19:34] <CShadowRun> the old pastebin URL has been broken for a while now so it needs to be changed to the new URL
[19:34] <Daviey> CShadowRun: It doesn;t look like it was forwarded here
[19:35] <CShadowRun> [19:08:05] [ubot5] Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops. Thank you for your attention to detail
[19:35] <PriceChild> CShadowRun: please suggest them to ubottu.
[19:35] <CShadowRun> that's weird
[19:35] <CShadowRun> PriceChild so i ask for changes to ubot5, to you ubottu?
[19:35]  * CShadowRun is confused
[19:35] <PriceChild> ubot5 takes ubottu's database regularly
[19:35] <CShadowRun> ah i see, ok
[19:36] <CShadowRun> but isn't ubottu global and not just for ubuntu-uk
[19:36] <PriceChild> ubot5 isn't just for ubuntu-uk
[19:36] <CShadowRun> how comes !pastebin goes to pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org?
[19:37] <PriceChild> !pastebin
[19:37] <PriceChild> !pastebin-#ubuntu-uk
[19:37] <CShadowRun> ah i see
[19:37] <CShadowRun> so i ask ubottu to change !pastebin-#ubuntu-uk
[19:37] <CShadowRun> !pastebin-#ubuntu-uk is <reply> Pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://ubuntu-uk.pastebin.com/ (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[19:38] <CShadowRun> :(
[19:38] <topyli> :(
[19:38] <PriceChild> but we now have your suggestion
[19:39] <topyli> :)
[19:39] <CShadowRun> ok, so you guys can fix that? :)
[19:39] <PriceChild> Hmm is there a reason ubot5 is  muted here
[19:39] <PriceChild> ubot3 isn't for example :/
[19:39] <ubot3> PriceChild: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[19:39] <topyli> har
[19:39] <jussi01> PriceChild: I dont think jpds change the addressed by character
[19:40] <jussi01> (in here)
[19:40] <PriceChild> jussi01: hmm?
[19:40] <PriceChild> oh, the real one
[19:40] <CShadowRun> so what am i supposed to do to get it changed? :)
[19:40] <CShadowRun> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org doesn't exist anymore
[19:41] <jussi01> CShadowRun: its called wait ;)
[19:41] <CShadowRun> ok :)
[19:42] <PriceChild> So it doesn't.
[19:42] <webpigeon> ubuntu-uk.pastebin.com would be a suitable alternative
[19:42] <jussi01> CShadowRun: is there a reason you dont have the normal ubuntu pastebin there??
[19:43] <CShadowRun> jussi01 i don't think so
[19:43] <PriceChild> !forget pastebin-#ubuntu-uk
[19:43] <PriceChild> fixed
[19:43] <jussi01> :)
[19:43] <CShadowRun> lol
[19:43] <webpigeon> thanks :)
[19:43] <PriceChild> soon
[19:44] <PriceChild> webpigeon hasn't noticed it hasn't updated?
[19:44] <PriceChild> by the looks of it neither did cshadowrun
[19:45] <jussi01> PriceChild: does -uk use ubot5?
[19:45] <PriceChild> yep
[19:45] <jussi01> rofl
[19:45] <jussi01> theyll be back
[19:45] <PriceChild><PHONE_NUMBER> 0113T194326 < CShadowRun> !pastebin
[19:45] <PriceChild><PHONE_NUMBER> 0113T194326 < ubot5> Pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at  http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[19:45] <PriceChild><PHONE_NUMBER> 0113T194403 < ~webpigeon> CShadowRun, \o/ thankyou!
[19:45] <PriceChild><PHONE_NUMBER> 0113T194408 < CShadowRun> webpigeon :D
[19:45] <PriceChild><PHONE_NUMBER> 0113T194457 < ~webpigeon> \o/ \o/ \o/ *Dances round the channel now that is most annoying annoyance is gone* \o/ \o/ \o/
[19:46] <jussi01> hahahahah
[19:46] <jussi01> *giggle*
[19:46]  * topyli tickles jussi01
[19:46] <jussi01> heh
[19:46] <topyli> ahem. right, back to -ot :)
[19:47] <jussi01> PriceChild: Ill be in the UK next week \o/ got time to come down and see me?
[19:47] <PriceChild> jussi01: where abouts?
[19:47] <jussi01> PriceChild: London, then Bath
[19:47] <jussi01> gonna go see ikonia
[19:48] <jussi01> Might have to go to Liverpool at some point, but we will see. (maybe not tho)
[19:48] <PriceChild> when?
[19:49] <jussi01> PriceChild: monday 19 - mon 26
[19:49] <Seeker`> jussi01: where in london?
[19:49] <jussi01> Seeker`: airport mostly, then travelling to bath
[19:50] <Seeker`> ah, so not really london then
[19:50] <PriceChild> haha
[19:50] <Seeker`> how are you travelling?
[19:50] <jussi01> Seeker`: well depends on my host, I think it would be nice too look around a little ;)
[19:50] <Seeker`> ok
[19:51] <Seeker`> so where in london? :P
[19:51] <jussi01> Seeker`: flying to london (dah), then depends on my host
[19:51] <jussi01> Seeker`: no plans yet!
[19:51] <Seeker`> heathrow?
[19:53] <jussi01> yeah
[19:53] <PriceChild> I probably won't be very available, won't have opportunity to travel far.
[19:54] <Seeker`> most of the "London" airports aren't really in london
[20:01] <jussi01> I just realised its actually to gatwick... ( I think)
[20:02] <Seeker`> heh, thats not london :P
[20:02] <jussi01> LOL
[20:02] <jussi01> where is that anyway??
[20:03]  * jussi01 has no idea
[20:03] <jpds> jussi01: South of London.
[20:03] <Seeker`> 30 min drive or so outside the M25
[20:03] <jussi01> whats the m25
[20:03] <jpds> jussi01: Orbital motorway of London.
[20:04] <jpds> jussi01: Don't worry, all the airports have trains to London, so you can go to bath/wherever via there.
[20:05] <Seeker`> M25 is a large circular car park that people still insist on calling a motorway
[20:06] <Seeker`> it is generally thought to be the outer boundary of london
[20:55] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib, Seems he is up to no good on someone elses computer
[20:56] <Pici> Hm?
[20:58] <Jack_Sparrow> trying to run script in term as root on boot.. plus the hair on the back of my neck stood up
[20:59]  * jrib wonders what is private so that it is ok to show a single stranger but not many
[20:59] <Pici> porn?
[21:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Seeker`, I found that same card you were looking at for 4 quid
[21:05] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: I bet they wouldn't honour it
[21:05] <Jack_Sparrow> http://www.e-plenish.com/pgProduct.cfm?cx=7E77839DD37678338BD84FC6D1B8C3520B93E03B5A1DCA080D04FE58BFA3E9B8A89796D8DCE8E351
[21:05] <Seeker`> reports are coming through of orders being cancelled
[21:06] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: The card from Dell was £4.95, the rest was postage
[21:06] <jussi01> I just got grumpy at snux and mtecknology... Myrtti go be nice to them for me.
[21:06] <Jack_Sparrow> Had to assume that would happen
[21:07] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: I cant say that I'm surprised
[21:07] <Seeker`> was worth a go
[21:08] <Jack_Sparrow> you bet it was
[21:08] <Jack_Sparrow> but for two different suppliers having it that cheap.. surprising
[21:08] <Seeker`> I suspect one of their suppliers screwed up
[21:09] <Seeker`> and they automatically update their prices to $suppliers_price * 1.x
[21:09] <Seeker`> where x is percentage markup
[21:09] <Jack_Sparrow> yep
[21:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Alright.  I'm off to play with the cube on my windows box...
[21:10] <Seeker`> seeya
[21:10] <Seeker`> have "fun"
[21:11] <Jack_Sparrow> I expect it to gag on 3d games but still interesting for 2d stuff
[21:11] <jussi01> Seeker`: only 1.x?
[21:11] <Seeker`> heh
[21:11] <Seeker`> well, that allows for a 100% markup
[21:11] <Seeker`> or close enough
[23:48] <Mez> popey: why the huggles?
[23:48] <Mez> popey: oh, tabfail, nvm
[23:50] <Seeker`> lo Mez
[23:57] <Mez> lo Seeker` :D


[01:36] <funkyHat> I suppose I should ask at a more sensible time of day ⡈)
[14:16] <tgpraveen12> n
[15:14] <tedg> bratsche: Do you have any thoughts on bug 553918 ?  It seems like we're grabbing keyboard focus, but Esc isn't giving it up.
[15:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 553918 in indicator-session (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Keyboard shortcut usage blocks keyboard and other menus (affects: 1)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553918
[15:14]  * bratsche clicks
[15:16] <tedg> What's weird to me is that hitting escape is odd on my session, but it's really bad in the guest session.
[15:18] <bratsche> Weird.
[15:20] <tedg> bratsche: I wonder if it's something with the panel window not having focus.  Like the menu closing is trying to give it to the panel, but that's not really possible?
[15:21] <bratsche> tedg: The fact that he says you have to click twice to open the menu makes me think there is still a popup window somewhere on the screen, like an empty menu or something.
[15:22] <bratsche> Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what his comment says.
[15:22] <bratsche> (comment #1, that is)
[15:23] <tedg> bratsche: Hmm, yeah.  I got it in a state once where it would highlight the "Applications" menu when I moused over it.  That's why I was figuring it was something with teh panel window.
[15:23] <bratsche> tedg: That's also related to some fuckedupedness of compiz, because I've seen stuff like that happen as well.
[15:24] <tedg> bratsche: I thought that too, but my guest session defaults to metacity.
[15:24] <bratsche> For some reason compiz seems to occasionally go into focus-follows-mouse mode for me.
[15:24]  * tedg likes focus-follows-mouse :)
[15:25] <bratsche> I'd like it better if it only happened when I explicitly enabled it. :)
[15:25] <tedg> Hmm, the same thing doesn't happen with Alt+F1 for the applications menu.
[15:26] <bratsche> Oh wait.
[15:26] <bratsche> I'm reproducing this here without doing C-s
[15:27] <bratsche> Oh wait, nevermind.
[15:27] <bratsche> I think that was just update-manager slowing down my system.
[15:32] <tedg> bratsche: Okay, in the panel they subclass the menu bar.
[15:32] <tedg> Here's the code that I think might be interesting but I don't understand :)
[15:32] <tedg> 437     menu_shell = GTK_MENU_SHELL (menubar);
[15:32] <tedg> 438     if (!menu_shell->active) {
[15:32] <tedg> 439         gtk_grab_add (GTK_WIDGET (menu_shell));
[15:32] <tedg> 440         menu_shell->have_grab = TRUE;
[15:32] <tedg> 441         menu_shell->active = TRUE;
[15:32] <tedg> 442     }
[15:32] <tedg> 443     gtk_menu_shell_select_item (menu_shell,
[15:32] <tedg> 444                     gtk_menu_get_attach_widget (menu));
[15:33] <tedg> That's when popping up a menu.
[15:33] <bratsche> But we're using a menubar as well aren't we?  Inside indicator-applet
[15:33] <bratsche> Or is that code from the subclass of menubar?
[15:34] <tedg> bratsche: That code is from the subclass.
[15:42] <bratsche> ted: Okay, so that code is actually just copied from _gtk_menu_shell_activate().  I think we're already doing the same thing.
[15:49] <tedg> bratsche: Why did they copy it then?  Seems like they could have just called gtk_menu_shell_activate() ?
[15:50] <bratsche> It's _gtk_menu_shell_activate(), not gtk_menu_shell_activate().
[15:50] <bratsche> It's not exported from libgtk
[15:50] <tedg> Yeah, I'm just assuming (still downloading gtk) that gtk* calls _gtk*
[15:51] <tedg> So it seems that they're avoiding something.
[15:51] <bratsche> Does Tomboy do this as well?
[15:52] <tedg> And, I don't think we're calling _activate, we're just calling _select_item... could that be the issue?
[15:52] <tedg> Perhaps we need both?
[15:52] <bratsche> Yeah, we need to activate it I think.
[15:55] <tedg> Tomboy is a StatusItem so it's all that XEmbed love -- it's a bit different.
[15:56] <tedg> bratsche: So I should activate the item, and then select it?
[15:57] <tedg> bratsche: The docs don't seem really clear.
[15:57] <bratsche> Yeah
[15:57] <bratsche> Try doing the same thing..
[15:57] <bratsche> if (!shell->active) { gtk-grab_add (shell); shell->have_grab = TRUE; shell->active = TRUE; }
[15:58] <bratsche> Maybe I should try to find out why activate isn't public.
[16:04] <tedg> I tried just calling the activate function -- no luck.
[16:16] <tedg> bratsche: That totally fixes it...
[16:16] <bratsche> Nice!
[16:17] <bratsche> Let's get that merged in :)
[16:17] <tedg> bratsche: Do you want to look at why, or should I just use that?
[16:18] <bratsche> tedg: No, I think I kind of already get it.  But I should try to look into making this public API.
[16:44] <Nafai> Hi guys
[16:45] <bratsche> hey
[16:45] <Nafai> Is there anything I can do to help debug the keyboard issues?
[16:45] <bratsche> It's fixed.
[16:45] <bratsche> Well, it will be once it's merged and released.
[16:46] <Nafai> oh sweet :)
[16:46] <Nafai> I have never known how to use the keyboard with the indicators I admit :)
[16:47] <bratsche> Well, the hotkey support is very new so you couldn't have done it until like yesterday. :)
[16:48] <Nafai> :)
[16:49] <Nafai> hmm, looks like I need to reboot into a new kernel, brb
[16:55] <Nafai> So what are the hotkeys?
[18:02] <jcastro> bratsche: yeah what are the hotkeys!
[18:02] <Nafai> I figured out two of them
[18:03] <Nafai> Super-s for the session and me menus and Super-m for the messaging menu
[18:03] <jcastro> super-m does some negative compiz effect for me
[18:03]  * jcastro will need to update
[19:02] <vish> tedg: hi... you on lucid right? and have inkscape installed?
[19:02] <vish> do you have scrollbars when you open a image?
[19:02] <vish> seems i lost them in the last couple of days :(
[19:02] <tedg> vish: Just like opening an SVG file?
[19:02] <vish> tedg: yeah
[19:04] <tedg> vish: Yeah, are you sure you just didn't turn them off?
[19:04] <tedg> vish: They're in View
[19:05] <vish> tedg: oh , sry , i seem to have turned it off :s
[19:05] <vish> i was trying a lot of stuff with the super+s being locked
[19:05] <vish> tedg: thanks :)
[19:06] <tedg> vish: No problem.  I like easy bugs :)
[21:36] <magcius> anybody around? For some reason, notify-osd isn't allowing me to click under
[21:47] <tedg> magcius: Yeah, it's an annoying bug :)  It should be updated soon.
[21:47] <magcius> tedg: do you know what causes it?
[21:48] <tedg> magcius: Only high level.  It was with gtk 2.20 and notify-osd setting input masks differently or something like that.  If you downgrade your GTK it also goes away.
[21:48] <magcius> tedg: ah
[21:49] <magcius> tedg: also, when I'm running uncomposited, the window doesn't hide, just the space around it goes black