[06:01] <ubotu> Go to System -> Administration -> Disks and enter your password. Pick the disk your partition is on from the list, then click the 'Partitions' tab. Select the partition you want to mount, set an access path (mount point) and click 'Enable'.
[06:02] <hastesaver> ;-)
[06:02] <steveire> hastesaver: There's a short konsole command I can use to print it isn't there?
[06:03] <hastesaver> cat /etc/fstab
[06:03] <steveire> fstab. thatnks
[06:03] <hastesaver> also, cat /proc/partitions (but that's something else)
[06:03] <squilla> DrNick: I had to comment out "GLcore" , but then my card is nvidia, I also commented out "dri"
[06:04] <steveire> Actually I don't think that's what I was looking for...
[06:04] <squilla> DrNick: could you also pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:05] <steveire> fdisk is what i wanted..
[06:12] <steveire> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda that is...
[06:15] <DrNickRiviera> squilla: there didn't seem to be an xorg log file
[06:19] <squilla> DrNick: now that's weird - soz to make you run around - I'm fishing for evidence. If you boot into recovery mode and "startx" there must be a /var/log/Xorg.0.log file created, as in ther always is (hopefully)
[06:19] <pussfeller> whats up with all these lost and found files
[06:19] <pussfeller> can I delete em
[06:20] <DrNickRiviera> i suppose as i just used the command line it might not have used xorg? don't know exactly what it is
[06:20] <DrNickRiviera> is "startx" a command then?
[06:20] <squilla> DrNick:perhaps you could reboot and type "startx"? and then check for a log - we're lookng for (EE) in the log file
[06:20] <_danst> pussfeller: l&f files are files which are were broken (due to not shutting down correctly for example) so there might be something you will be missing...
[06:21] <pussfeller> _danst: would not that have been fixed by running fdisk
[06:21] <squilla> DrNick"startx" is a manual way of starting the X server - it will probably fail - but you will definitely get fedback in a log file
[06:21] <DrNickRiviera> ok, will give that a try
[06:22] <DrNickRiviera> really appreciate you helping me :)
[06:22] <DrNickRiviera> brb
[06:22] <_danst> pussfeller: I think some things cannot be fixed
[06:22] <pussfeller> ya know if I shut down kdm from root, then I cant start it again, either as user or as root, untill I reboot
[06:22] <pussfeller> sometimes anyways
[06:23] <pussfeller> or even startx
[06:23] <squilla> pussfeller: type"sudo killall -9 kdm" first
[06:23] <hastesaver> pussfeller, how are you shutting it down, and how are you trying to start it again?
[06:23] <pussfeller> using etc/init
[06:23] <squilla> the kdm process still runs in the background and conflicts
[06:24] <pussfeller> squilla: you saying etc/init doesn't shut down kdm?
[06:24] <pussfeller> let me see if its still doing it
[06:25] <_danst> dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 2 0
[06:25] <_danst> how are you shutting down your system? why arent you using halt or in kde: dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 2 0
[06:25] <_danst> ?
[06:26] <squilla> pussfeller: I'm saying type"sudo killall -9 kdm" first
[06:27] <squilla> pussfeller: if you get " no process killed" then I'm wrong
[06:28] <DrNickRiviera> squilla: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/703672
[06:28] <squilla> DrNick: looking :-)
[06:28] <DrNickRiviera> could the "Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." part be because my screen has a native resolution of 1280x1024 and therefore wants an entry with nothing but that?
[06:31] <squilla> DrNick: there's a discussion/solution for this here:http://forum.matrox.com/mga/viewtopic.php?t=17645
[06:32] <pussfeller> hah thats funny
[06:33] <Drakeson> has anybody tried
[06:33] <pussfeller> root can't start kdm, but  a user sudoing can
[06:33] <squilla> DrNick:need to load the agp driver for the mobo it seems
[06:33] <pussfeller> as root, it cant find the right pci bus for my nvidia
[06:33] <squilla> pussfeller: good
[06:34] <pussfeller> squilla, are there more than one xorg.confs
[06:34] <Drakeson> has anyone installed jabberd? I had no success doing so. I just apt-get'ed, and tried to connect using kopete (localhost)
[06:34] <squilla> pussfeller: yes - the one with "0" in it's name is the most recent
[06:35] <squilla> DrNick:you on the page yet?
[06:35] <DrNickRiviera> yeah, just reading it
[06:36] <squilla> pussfeller: the logs get rotated for "ease of read"
[06:36] <DrNickRiviera> would i just do "modprobe via-agp" and then try startx?
[06:36] <DrNickRiviera> and see what happens
[06:38] <squilla> DrNick:in recovery mode try type "lsmod | grep agp" and see if you get a driver called via-agp or intel-agp or somesuch
[06:40] <DrNickRiviera> ok
[06:40] <DrNickRiviera> if loading it does work and x starts properly
[06:40] <DrNickRiviera> it would have to be loaded everytime ubuntu boots, right?
[06:41] <Drakeson> I keep receiving this error in /var/log/jabber/error.log: [notice]  (localhost): bouncing a routed packet to localhost from 13@c2s/8105E40: Internal Delivery Error
[06:42] <steveire> Zfdisk
[06:42] <steveire> !fisk
[06:42] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, steveire
[06:42] <steveire> hehe
[06:42] <steveire> !fdisk
[06:42] <ubotu> steveire: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:42] <steveire> bah!
[06:43] <steveire> can fdisk display whether my partitions are logical/primary etc?
[06:43] <dreamsguardian> si buenas!!!
[06:43] <osh___> In launchpad.net, can I just go in and confirm bugs that I've seen even though I'm not a devel. Also, is it alright to mark peoples bugs as duplicates if I've seen them before?
[06:49] <osh___> steveire: yes
[06:49] <steveire> pray tell osh___
[06:52] <osh___> steveire: last column. sais extended right there. or try qtparted. very verbose.
[06:53] <rUiSu> having problems with patitions?
[06:53] <osh___> not me. ;-) today...
[06:53] <rUiSu> use GParted, its a live cd that is like partition magic, XFCE
[06:53] <rUiSu> jejeok
[06:54] <rUiSu> si
[06:54] <rUiSu> so
[06:54] <rUiSu> whats up every body
[06:55] <jeff_> hey rUiSu
[06:55] <DrNickRiviera> squilla: ls mod | grep agp doesn't return anything
[06:55] <rUiSu> hi :)
[06:55] <jeff_> does anybody know how to get webcams working on kopete?
[06:55] <DrNickRiviera> and when i do modprobe via-agp i get the message, that via_agp could not be found
[06:56] <rUiSu> i once tryed to install a program of kde for that, but couldnt
[06:56] <jeff_> ?
[06:56] <rUiSu> maybe you didnt compiled that module
[06:56] <jeff_> are you talking to me rUiSu?
[06:57] <rUiSu> yep
[06:57] <jeff_> how do i compile the module?
[06:57] <rUiSu> oh, no the module whas for DrNickRiviera
[06:57] <jeff_> :@
[06:57] <rUiSu> he
[06:57] <jeff_> >:-O
[06:58] <rUiSu> but the program for taht is on kde-apps.org
[06:58] <squilla> DrNick:cool! then we would appear to be closer :-) what mobo do you have? and did you disable onboard graphics in the BIOS?
[06:58] <rUiSu> for webcam
[06:58] <jeff_> ok
[06:58] <steveire> I'm not having problems with partitions. Sure, it says beside the ext3 partition that it is extended. All the others can't be primary. How do I print which ones are primay using fdisk?
[06:58] <DrNickRiviera> i've got a via k8t800
[06:58] <DrNickRiviera> and i would assume that onboard graphics are deactivated
[06:59] <steveire> Maybe the id tells me that?
[06:59] <DrNickRiviera> i was running fedora 5 with exactly the same setup until yesterday, so i don't think that can be the problem
[07:00] <DrNickRiviera> could the problem just be, that for some reason the via-agp module is missing, ubuntu can therefore not start it and i'm having these problems?
[07:00] <squilla> DrNick:so - according to the page link I posted earlier ... type "sudo modprobe via-agp" and then "startx"
[07:00] <squilla> DrNick:yes - that is the idea
[07:00] <rUiSu> mhm
[07:01] <squilla> DrNick:please try once again in recovery mode - and let me know?
[07:01] <squilla> the agp driver has to be loaded before the mga driver
[07:01] <squilla> which is loaded when X starts
[07:02] <squilla> DrNick:... I think :-/
[07:02] <_danst> ab
[07:02] <DrNickRiviera> that's what i did
[07:02] <steveire> does id refer to the type of partition? Is anyone following this?
[07:02] <DrNickRiviera> without the sudo, but for some reason the recovery mode starts as root, which strikes me as very odd
[07:02] <squilla> DrNick:? you mdprobed teh via-agp first?
[07:02] <DrNickRiviera> yeah
[07:03] <DrNickRiviera> and got the error message, that it couldn't be found
[07:03] <squilla> true - it does - you're running as single user and fixing, which needs root
[07:03] <squilla> DrNick:?oh?
[07:03] <DrNickRiviera> i actually modprobed for the intel one afterwards and that was loaded without problems
[07:03] <DrNickRiviera> but obviously didn't work
[07:04] <jeff_> anybody here know about kernel compilation?
[07:04] <DrNickRiviera> yeah, to fix stuff you do need root, but i didn't even have to type in a password
[07:04] <squilla> DrNick:you posted the log file after that I assume?
[07:04] <Ryoga85> O_O
[07:04] <jeff_> this webcam howto says i need to activate the v4l module to support my webcam
[07:04] <DrNickRiviera> after doing the modprobe?
[07:04] <Ryoga85> even my card reader works with kubuntu :)
[07:04] <rUiSu> yes
[07:04] <squilla> DrNick:yes
[07:05] <jeff_> gangsters?
[07:05] <DrNickRiviera> the via modprobe failes and the intel one worked, but didn't change anything when trying to start x
[07:05] <squilla> DrNick:sorry - after the modprobe and after startx
[07:05] <rUiSu> i know about kernel compilation, but ive never done it in kubuntu
[07:05] <jeff_> is the v4l module already activated in the ubuntu kernel?
[07:05] <DrNickRiviera> the log file is still the same, but i did post if before the whole modprobe business
[07:05] <jeff_> rUiSu: ok
[07:05] <rUiSu> i think the source isnt installed by default
[07:05] <squilla> DrNick:what does lsmod | grep mga give?
[07:05] <jeff_> rUiSu: is there a way i can see what modules are activated?
[07:06] <rUiSu> immm
[07:06] <DrNickRiviera> will just go and check
[07:06] <squilla> DrNick:it's possible (I'm very vague here) that you have to modprobe the agp driver before teh mga driver
[07:06] <rUiSu> yes, , but i cant remeber,,, its been a long time....
[07:06] <rUiSu> it was
[07:06] <rUiSu> lsmod
[07:06] <rUiSu> i think
[07:06] <jeff_> ok ill try it
[07:07] <squilla> DrNick:so "rmmod mga" then "modprobe agp-intel" then "modprobe mga"
[07:08] <squilla> DrNick:and --> is the onboard VGA disabled in the BIOS?
[07:08] <squilla> jef:lsmod | grep v4l
[07:09] <jeff_> squilla: ?
[07:09] <jeff_> squilla: will that add v4l to the thing?
[07:10] <rUiSu> no, it will see if its there
[07:10] <rUiSu> .. i think...
[07:10] <jeff_> lol ok
[07:10] <jeff_> i just did it and nothing happened
[07:10] <rUiSu> mm
[07:10] <jeff_> i pressed enter, it went to the next prompt
[07:10] <rUiSu> then it means you dont have it
[07:11] <jeff_> jeff@ubuntu:
[07:11] <jeff_> poop
[07:11] <rUiSu> xD ?
[07:11] <jeff_> i have some things i dont need/want in there though
[07:11] <jeff_> i dont use any bluetooth stuff or sony stuff
[07:11] <DrNickRiviera> squilla: lsmod | grep mga doesn't return anything
[07:12] <rUiSu> me neither, but imj planing to buy a bluetooth dongle for my future celphone
[07:12] <squilla> jef:no - it'll tell you if it's loaded
[07:12] <rUiSu> hehe right :)
[07:12] <rUiSu> ok, im out
[07:12] <rUiSu> byebye
[07:13] <jeff_> squilla: ok, it didnt say anything
[07:13] <squilla> DrNick:modprobe mga will load it, but only do it after loading agp-intel
[07:13] <DrNickRiviera> but i want agp-via, don't i?
[07:13] <DrNickRiviera> seeing as my mainboard is by via
[07:14] <squilla> DrNick:hmmm
[07:14] <squilla> DrNick:it's the chipset of the agp we're after - and I really don'tknow
[07:15] <squilla> DrNick:did you read that page link? - I'm working from that
[07:16] <DrNickRiviera> "...you also need to install the back agp driver for the motherboard chipset. So for an intel board you would modprobe intel-agl, for via it would be via-agp and so on."
[07:16] <DrNickRiviera> so i would assume that i should load via-agb, as that is my chipset
[07:16] <squilla> DrNick:ja
[07:16] <DrNickRiviera> might just ask in #ubuntu whether anyone knows whether that should be included with ubuntu and why it isn't in my case
[07:17] <squilla> DrNick:good idea - I'm running out of ideas - sorry man
[07:17] <DrNickRiviera> no worries, you've helped me quite a lot already
[07:17] <squilla> DrNick:I believe we're well on the right track though
[07:17] <DrNickRiviera> i was just reinstalling kubuntu again and again to see whether it would work at some point :D
[07:18] <squilla> DrNick:you could check which modules fedora loads as a clue
[07:19] <DrNickRiviera> yeah, only problem is, that i've installed kubunto over fedora
[07:19] <squilla> jeff: have you loaded any webcam swoftare, like camorama or ekiga?
[07:19] <DrNickRiviera> am running windows at the moment :(
[07:20] <squilla> DrNick:it happens - don't feel bad
[07:20] <jeff_> squilla: no :S
[07:20] <squilla> jeff: usb cam?
[07:20] <jeff_> squilla: yeah
[07:21] <squilla> DrNick:hey - perhaps the driver is called something else - google on google/com/linux for it
[07:21] <squilla> what does "lspci | less" say about your camera?
[07:22] <jeff_> just a min, ill go get it
[07:23] <squilla> jeff: the v4l driver is in the xserver-xorg-driver-v4l package in synaptic
[07:26] <mrfishhat> does anyone know any good audacity like apps?
[07:28] <danst> mrfishhat: why not use audacity?
[07:28] <mrfishhat> im just wondering options
[07:28] <squilla> played with sweep?
[07:29] <mrfishhat> i havent
[07:29] <Snake__> Can someone tell me why kmenu doesnt auto-update?? (Dapper)
[07:30] <Snake__> This is getting really old. It was a bug in 5.10 too.
[07:30] <squilla> fun - you can scratch on the tunes :-)
[07:33] <Riddell> hi edward
[07:35] <edward> hi
[07:35] <danst> i just made my "system"menu entry invisible, now i cannot find the menueditor of kubuntu... can someone plz tell me the commandline name?
[07:41] <DrNickRiviera> squilla: it seems like the problem might be related to the fact that i've got the amd64 version and driver support isn't great
[07:42] <squilla> DrNick:ok!
[07:42] <squilla> Load teh 32 bit - I did and I'm on amd64 3500
[07:43] <DrNickRiviera> yeah
[07:43] <DrNickRiviera> you running breezy, or dapper?
[07:44] <DrNickRiviera> cause i am thinking i might go with dapper, mainly because i really want amarok 1.4 beta 3
[07:44] <pppoe_dude> hi
[07:44] <squilla> DrNick: I have nforce4 chipsets onboard for sound and net and they're fine - Dapper
[07:44] <DrNickRiviera> and the final dapper is being released soon anyway
[07:44] <squilla> DrNick: the update downloads are about 30-50 megs a day
[07:44] <pppoe_dude> anyway to get KDE to put a video icon for video files? (e.g. mpeg files would have a preview of the video, maybe one snapshot)
[07:45] <squilla> DrNick:and amarok is working like a bomb (David Gray in serious stereo as I type)
[07:48] <pppoe_dude> oh never mind i think i found that setting in system settings
[07:48] <pppoe_dude> actually it doesnt give me an option to do it for video
[07:50] <DrNickRiviera> are there any dvd releases of the dapper beta 2?
[07:50] <DrNickRiviera> or do you just get the cd and chose what apps you want yourself
[07:52] <squilla> DrNick: Door #2 :-D
[07:53] <squilla> DrNick: you have bandwidth?
[07:54] <nico8481> hi
[07:55] <DrNickRiviera> you mean to download it?
[07:56] <squilla> yup
[07:57] <DrNickRiviera> yeah, am downloading at 230k at the moment
[07:57] <DrNickRiviera> if the repositories are that kind of speed too it should be fine
[07:58] <DrNickRiviera> wouldn't want to download 50megs of updates on 56k everyday :D
[07:58] <squilla> DrNick: theyre quick - there's probably a geographically convenient one close to you
[07:58] <brandon_> goog: totem is usually a frontend for xine, so i'm assuming that xine is properly configured if you're hearing sounds fromt otem
[08:06] <jeff_> squilla: thanka man
[08:07] <jeff_> squilla: after i get that package, do i add it my sorg.conf?
[08:07] <squilla> jef: package/ - xorg package? - the driver autoloads when you use the cam I suspect
[08:08] <squilla> jef:got software yet? which camera is it?
[08:09] <jeff_> squilla: i should type "package/ - xorg package"?
[08:10] <squilla> jeff: use synaptic or adept to install it, once that's done it is built into your system and hopefully you'll never need to think of it again
[08:11] <squilla> jeff: just install a cam software - camorama is easy, and you'll know if it's working right away
[08:11] <jeff_> it said it was already installed
[08:11] <jeff_> ok ill get camorama
[08:11] <squilla> jeff: oops - sorry
[08:12] <squilla> jeff: getting late for me
[08:12] <jeff_> squilla: ?
[08:14] <squilla> jeff: yo!
[08:14] <jeff_> squilla: lol
[08:15] <jeff_> squilla: ok, ill try to start camorama and set up my webcam
[08:15] <jeff_> squilla: last time i tried this on kubuntu 5.10 it froze my computer as soon as i tried to start the camera
[08:16] <squilla> jeff: coolio - and I'll make tea
[08:16] <jeff_> squilla: lol alright
[08:25] <jeff_> squilla: it worked!
[08:25] <jeff_> squilla: thanks gangster
[08:26] <jeff_> hey guys
[08:27] <jeff_> my friend is on a windows box, and she need admin privillages to dl stuff. is there any way around this?
[08:29] <jeff_> !ping
[08:29] <ubotu> pong
[08:32] <squilla> jeff:you're welcome :-)
[08:32] <squilla> jeff:you a first time linux user?
[08:32] <jeff_> lol kinda, ive been using (k)ubuntu since august
[08:33] <squilla> jeff:it just gets easier ;-D and more fun - spread the love I'm outta here
[08:33] <jeff_> squilla: amen to that
[08:39] <mrfishhat> does anyone know where i could score a binary for the new vlc?
[08:39] <mrfishhat> i cant get the debian packages to apt
[08:40] <mrfishhat> and i know not how to compile from source
[08:59] <_cathal> i have a iriver H10, it connects fine, what program do i use to browse the player and transfer music too and from it?
[09:02] <osh___> Who confirms bugs? It seems that all my bugs are "unconfirmed". https://launchpad.net/people/osh-nbit/+reportedbugs
[09:02] <v3ctor> _cathal: try amarok
[09:03] <v3ctor> claims iriver support
[09:17] <OdyX> osh___: everyone that CAN confirm bugs...
[09:18] <wojjan> hallo how to uninstall SH??
[09:18] <wojjan> et.sh??
[09:19] <wojjan> ??
[09:21] <osh___> OdyX: yes, but should they?
[09:21] <rysiek|pl> guys, got a problem here with sound: when user A plays some sounds through ALSA, and user B tries at the same momend play something through ALSA, user B gets "Device or Resource busy". But when a single user uses a few ALSA and aRts based apps simultaneously, all is ok.
[09:21] <rysiek|pl> wojjan: you mean, like, uninstall THE "sh" shell, or "uninstall" some sh script (some_name.sh)?
[09:22] <rysiek|pl> argh, he left
[09:22] <osh___> also, is apache-common a part of apache or apache2? wordpress seems to want to install it.
[09:22] <OdyX> osh___: well.. generally, if you have a bug, you first search if there is one.. If you find one, that is unconfirmed...
[09:22] <OdyX> osh___: and that you can "confirm" it on your machine...
[09:22] <OdyX> osh___: you're supposed to change the state...
[09:23] <osh___> OdyX: so any bugs i encounter on my machine i can confirm if i find them in launchpad. correct?
[09:24] <OdyX> osh___: yes... the state "confrimed" means "more than one person enconter that bug"
[09:24] <osh___> OdyX: right. thanks.
[09:26] <malte_> hi, is it possible to install kubuntu dapper b2 without using the gui installer, using the live cd?
[09:26] <malte_> the thing is it crashes at the partition managing bit :S
[09:27] <g-henna> my bro just works in his kde (3.5.2) on his laptop (kubuntu linux breezy, kernel 2.6.12-9-686) and suddenly, everything hangs. so he cannot switch to a virtual console via ctrl+alt+f1 and even the lights of his mouse (the optical sensor) switched off. am i right that this is no X or kde problem, but a kernel one?
[09:28] <bretticus> hi, i was wondering if someone could help me get video working in firefox?
[09:29] <osh___> malte_: yeah, thats a confirmed bug... :-)
[09:29] <bretticus> heh, ok
[09:29] <malte_> osh___: ok :( but is it possible to install anyway?
[09:30] <mrfishhat> could i get some insight as to why my desktop selection box seems to be laggy?
[09:30] <osh___> malte_: no, not with the livecd. get the installcd or wait for next betacd.
[09:30] <malte_> mrfishhat: no hardware acceleration perhaps?
[09:31] <malte_> osh___: oh, shucks.. when will the next beta cd arrive you reckon?
[09:31] <osh___> malte_: i have no idea.
[09:32] <malte_> then i guess ill just ddownload the install cd
[09:32] <malte_> thanks osh___
[09:32] <osh___> malte_: that's what i did. :-)
[09:32] <rysiek|pl> g-henna: sounds rather like a hardware prob to me
[09:33] <osh___> g-henna: any reason you call yourself "hell"? ;-)
[09:34] <g-henna> osh___: my name is G. Henna :-)
[09:34] <mrfishhat> does that mean hell?
[09:36] <rysiek|pl> not quite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna
[09:51] <ubuntu_> hello
[09:51] <ubuntu_> im running kubuntu live latest version and i have a problem with my ntfs partitions
[09:52] <rysiek|pl> and the problem is?..
[09:52] <ubuntu_> they appear but i cant acces them, some error in et/fstab or etc/mtab when i try to mount them
[09:53] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: you need to write the fstab entry
[09:53] <ubuntu_> pls tell me
[09:53] <ubuntu_> :d
[09:53] <ubuntu_> i have 2 hdd's
[09:53] <rysiek|pl> "man fstab" in console will tell you ;)
[09:53] <rysiek|pl> ok, let's try
[09:53] <ubuntu_> im really noob
[09:53] <rysiek|pl> 2 hdd's, on which of them the ntfses reside?
[09:53] <ubuntu_> all :)
[09:54] <rysiek|pl> ok, how many are there?
[09:54] <rysiek|pl> ntfses, I mean
[09:54] <ubuntu_> 5
[09:54] <ubuntu_> they all appear
[09:54] <rysiek|pl> ok, what do you understand under "appear"
[09:54] <ubuntu_> i mean
[09:54] <rysiek|pl> where do they appear?
[09:54] <ubuntu_> in storage
[09:55] <ubuntu_> system:/media
[09:55] <ubuntu_> here
[09:55] <rysiek|pl> and when you click them?..
[09:56] <ubuntu_> could not mount device , the reported error was : mount : can;t find /dev/hda1 in etc/fstab or etc/mtab
[09:56] <ubuntu_> this is the error when i click them
[09:57] <rysiek|pl> ok, open the terminal
[09:57] <rysiek|pl> do you know how?
[09:57] <ubuntu_> yea
[09:58] <ubuntu_> i did run command
[09:58] <ubuntu_> and run in terminal window
[09:58] <ubuntu_> :D
[09:58] <ubuntu_> ok
[09:58] <ubuntu_> im in console
[09:58] <rysiek|pl> great, first of all, tell me what version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu do you have
[09:58] <ubuntu_> (terminal)
[09:58] <ubuntu_> erm
[09:58] <ubuntu_> tell me what to write in console?
[09:59] <ubuntu_> for version :D
[09:59] <rysiek|pl> I think you should know it without console ;)
[09:59] <ubuntu_> man
[09:59] <ubuntu_> i downloaded it from current dir
[09:59] <ubuntu_> dapper i386 dvd
[09:59] <ubuntu_> 3,2 gb
[09:59] <rysiek|pl> great, so you have 6.06 beta :]
[09:59] <ubuntu_> yea :)
[10:00] <ubuntu_> latest i think
[10:00] <rysiek|pl> that was my question about ;) now, let's do some hacking, shall we
[10:00] <ubuntu_> k
[10:00] <rysiek|pl> first of all, try this:
[10:00] <ubuntu_> also remember im on a live session now
[10:01] <ubuntu_> i havent got it installed on hdd
[10:01] <ubuntu_> :D
[10:01] <rysiek|pl> great, that way we won;'t mess anything
[10:01] <rysiek|pl> ok, here goes:
[10:02] <rysiek|pl> sudo echo 'dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs defaults,noauto 0 0' >> /etc/fstab
[10:02] <rysiek|pl> after that: sudo mkdir /mnt/hda1
[10:02] <ubuntu_> bash: /etc/fstab: Permission denied
[10:02] <ubuntu_> this is what i get
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> ok, try this:
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> sudo -i -H
[10:03] <ubuntu_> ok im on root now :d
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> this should give you the root account
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> yup
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> now:
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> echo 'dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs defaults,noauto 0 0' >> /etc/fstab
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> mkdor /mnt/hda1
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> shit, that's mkdir
[10:03] <ubuntu_> yea
[10:03] <ubuntu_> :)
[10:03] <ubuntu_> mkdir /mnt/hda1
[10:03] <ubuntu_> :D:d
[10:04] <rysiek|pl> and ls -l /mnt/hda1
[10:04] <rysiek|pl> you should see your first ntfs partition's files :)
[10:05] <ubuntu_> still unmounted
[10:05] <rysiek|pl> what was the error msg?
[10:05] <ubuntu_> same
[10:05] <ubuntu_> could not mount device , the reported error was : mount : can;t find /dev/hda1 in etc/fstab or etc/mtab
[10:05] <_darksoul> i noticed somthing.. ati sucks, i got everything running.. but FPS sucks on quake4 - for linux, and the 3d accel seems to be slow in games
[10:05] <alphallux> hello
[10:06] <rysiek|pl> argh, man I am dumb
[10:06] <rysiek|pl> forgot about: mount /mnt/hda1 :]
[10:06] <ubuntu_> lol
[10:06] <_darksoul> so would nivida solve all my accel and FPS problems or is it a setting i need to change
[10:06] <ubuntu_> mount: special device dev/hda1 does not exist
[10:06] <rysiek|pl> shit, another typo
[10:06] <rysiek|pl> my bad
[10:06] <_darksoul> ubuntu_: try /media/hda1
[10:07] <yuu> Yup ati sucks, my next card will be a nvidia, too much problems with ati :p
[10:07] <rysiek|pl> do you know how to use vim?
[10:07] <ubuntu_> nope
[10:07] <ubuntu_> whats vim ? :)
[10:07] <rysiek|pl> ok, let's try it anyways ;)
[10:07] <rysiek|pl> vim /etc/fstab
[10:07] <ubuntu_> ok
[10:07] <rysiek|pl> and now CAREFUL please :)
[10:07] <_darksoul> yuu: yeah my ati card sucks.. it seemed fine on windows, but it really sucks on BF2... meh, the only thing holding me back is games on linux, but i figure that will all change when people get premission to port them..
[10:07] <ubuntu_> yea
[10:08] <rysiek|pl> press the "A" key - now you can edit the file
[10:08] <ubuntu_> unionfs / unionfs rw 0 0
[10:08] <ubuntu_> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
[10:08] <ubuntu_> dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs defaults,noauto 0 0
[10:08] <rysiek|pl> (you should see "INSERT" in the lower left corner
[10:08] <ubuntu_> ok
[10:08] <ubuntu_> yea
[10:08] <rysiek|pl> ok, now move the coursor to "dev/hda1"
[10:08] <rysiek|pl> and change it to "/dev/hda1"
[10:08] <_darksoul> yuu: but is nivida really better? thats what im wondering
[10:09] <ubuntu_> ok
[10:09] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: when you're done, press ESC
[10:09] <ubuntu_> ok
[10:09] <rysiek|pl> and then Shift+Z and again Shift+Z
[10:09] <yuu> It's seems to have less problems on linux, and better driver
[10:09] <treakath> hey all
[10:09] <rysiek|pl> yuu: yep, definetely
[10:09] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: done?
[10:09] <ubuntu_> yea
[10:10] <ubuntu_> im in root again
[10:10] <rysiek|pl> great
[10:10] <rysiek|pl> now: mount /dev/hda1
[10:10] <_darksoul> yuu: well that, and the fact nivida makes better cards then ati in genral.. so i heard
[10:10] <ubuntu_> ok
[10:10] <rysiek|pl> and if I did not make yet another typo, we're home ;)
[10:10] <rysiek|pl> ls -l /mnt/hda1
[10:10] <rysiek|pl> see your files?
[10:10] <ubuntu_> yea
[10:11] <rysiek|pl> ok, but you know, you won't have write perms on it, do you?
[10:11] <ubuntu_> yea
[10:11] <ubuntu_> man
[10:11] <ubuntu_> i get could not enter folder mnt/hda1
[10:12] <rysiek|pl> ?
[10:12] <rysiek|pl> it's /mnt/hda1
[10:12] <yuu> The problem is about driver, not cards. ATI cards should have better performance but their driver sucks, so nvidia cards which are less powerfull have better performance ( sorry if I make some mistake, I'm french ^^)
[10:12] <ubuntu_> yea
[10:12] <ubuntu_> thats it
[10:12] <ubuntu_> when i click on it from konqueror
[10:12] <yuu> It's the same problem on windows too
[10:12] <murph2481_> does anyone else have problems with flash in firefox not showing text? the flash loads but there is no text??
[10:12] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: what's the error?
[10:12] <_darksoul> yuu: lmao good i love linux, just plugged in my scanner and it worked..
[10:13] <ubuntu_> i get could not enter folder mnt/hda1
[10:13] <yuu> murph : do you have addblock installed ?
[10:13] <ubuntu_> i get could not enter folder /mnt/hda1
[10:13] <ubuntu_> :D
[10:13] <rysiek|pl> but the mount command worked?
[10:13] <rysiek|pl> and ls listed your files, right?
[10:13] <treakath> whats addblock?
[10:13] <ubuntu_> yae
[10:13] <ubuntu_> but i wanna run them :Ld
[10:13] <ubuntu_> read
[10:14] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: "run"? like, they're programs?
[10:14] <ubuntu_> no no
[10:14] <rysiek|pl> or just read them?
[10:14] <ubuntu_> music and movies
[10:14] <yuu> addblock is a extension for firefox which allow you to block adds
[10:14] <rysiek|pl> ok
[10:14] <ubuntu_> cause i have windows programs/games :d
[10:14] <ubuntu_> so... :)
[10:14] <rysiek|pl> it's something with perms, most probably
[10:14] <rysiek|pl> so:
[10:14] <rysiek|pl> umount /dev/hda1
[10:15] <rysiek|pl> chmod -R a+rX /mnt
[10:15] <rysiek|pl> mount /dev/hda1
[10:15] <rysiek|pl> and try after that, if there are no errors
[10:16] <Apage43> Hey guys.
[10:16] <ubuntu_> same
[10:16] <ubuntu_> i get could not enter folder /mnt/hda1
[10:16] <Apage43> This is retarded.
[10:16] <ubuntu_> i know i am :)
[10:16] <Apage43> I can't play mp3s.
[10:17] <rysiek|pl> ubotu tell Apage43 about RestrictedFormats
[10:17] <ubuntu_> apage get xmms
[10:17] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: hmmm, gimme a sec
[10:17] <Apage43> Amarok > XMMS.
[10:17] <ubuntu_> maybe because im running live dvd :D
[10:18] <ubuntu_> i had uuntu installed 1 year ago
[10:18] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: that has nothing to do with it
[10:18] <ubuntu_> and there was a script
[10:18] <ubuntu_> that moutned my partitions every time i logged in
[10:18] <ubuntu_> with read only
[10:18] <ubuntu_> in konqueror
[10:18] <ubuntu_> it shows the details of the partion
[10:18] <rysiek|pl> hmmm, can you open a second session of console
[10:19] <rysiek|pl> and in the root session: umount /dev/hda1
[10:19] <ubuntu_> ok
[10:19] <rysiek|pl> and in the other (normal user) session: mount /dev/hda1
[10:20] <ubuntu_> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$  mount /dev/hda1
[10:20] <ubuntu_> mount: only root can mount /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1
[10:20] <ubuntu_> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[10:20] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: ok, I have got it, I think:
[10:20] <rysiek|pl> in the root session:
[10:21] <rysiek|pl> mount -o umask=0000 -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[10:21] <ubuntu_> its working
[10:22] <rysiek|pl> and konqueror sees and reads the files?
[10:22] <ubuntu_> yea
[10:22] <ubuntu_> how do i do for the rest ? :)
[10:22] <rysiek|pl> ok, so now we'll edit the fstab
[10:22] <TheUni> how can i find out exactly what kernel i'm running and what gcc version it was compiled with?
[10:22] <rysiek|pl> vim /etc/fstab (in the root console, off-course)
[10:22] <rysiek|pl> TheUni: uname -r
[10:22] <ubuntu_> a
[10:23] <v3ctor> cat /proc/version
[10:23] <steveire> oops
[10:23] <rysiek|pl> good one, didn't know that :)
[10:23] <ubuntu_> ok
[10:23] <TheUni> ahhh
[10:23] <ubuntu_> im stuck her :d
[10:23] <ubuntu_> here
[10:23] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: the A key
[10:23] <TheUni> compiled with 4.0.3
[10:23] <steveire> I think I told konquerer to open everything with amarok
[10:23] <TheUni> interesting
[10:23] <ubuntu_> did it
[10:23] <rysiek|pl> go to the last line
[10:23] <ubuntu_> k
[10:24] <steveire> It tries to open directories with amarok now.
[10:24] <ubuntu_> hda2 3 and 4
[10:24] <ubuntu_> :D
[10:24] <ubuntu_> and 5
[10:24] <ubuntu_> :
[10:24] <ubuntu_> :d
[10:24] <rysiek|pl> and change "defaults,noauto" change to "defaults,noauto,umask=0000"
[10:24] <steveire> I lookd in settings in konq, but i see file associations, but not directorie
[10:24] <steveire> s
[10:24] <ubuntu_> defaults,noauto 0 0
[10:24] <ubuntu_> whats wit 0 0 ?
[10:25] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: just leave it there
[10:25] <rysiek|pl> "defaults,noauto,umask=0000 0 0"
[10:25] <rysiek|pl> this is how the line should end
[10:25] <rysiek|pl> got it?
[10:25] <ubuntu_> yea
[10:26] <TheUni> anyone managed to get qemu and kqemu working in dapper?
[10:26] <Infecto> hello
[10:26] <rysiek|pl> ok, now ESC - Shift+Z - Shift+Z
[10:26] <Infecto> can some one tell me how to bind keycodes to any aplication ?
[10:26] <ubuntu_> done
[10:26] <steveire> any idea how to reassociate dirs with konq, or any way to see a log of file associations for me to look at?
[10:26] <rysiek|pl> how many partitions do you have on the first disk?
[10:26] <ubuntu_> wait
[10:27] <Infecto> i`v got a 176 key code and i want to enable sound volume up
[10:27] <ubuntu_> 3 partitions
[10:27] <Infecto> is this posible ?
[10:27] <ubuntu_> and 2 on the second disk
[10:27] <rysiek|pl> Infecto: LinEAK
[10:27] <rysiek|pl> search google, I have got it working right now
[10:27] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: ok, so now:
[10:28] <rysiek|pl> tail -n 1 /etc/fstab >> /etc/fstab
[10:28] <rysiek|pl> do this 4 times :)
[10:28] <rysiek|pl> so that in fstab we have 5 entries for your partition
[10:28] <ubuntu_> ok
[10:29] <ubuntu_> vim /etc/fstab ?
[10:29] <rysiek|pl> in a minute
[10:29] <Infecto> rysiek|pl: you use this from repository, yes ?
[10:29] <rysiek|pl> Infecto: I don't remember, frankly
[10:29] <Apage43> Is it fairly safe to go from breezy to dapper?
[10:29] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: mkdir /mnt/hda2 /mnt/hda3 /mnt/hdb1 /mnt/hda2
[10:30] <rysiek|pl> and after that vim /etc/fstab
[10:30] <rysiek|pl> Infecto: yes, from the repo
[10:30] <ubuntu_> mkdir /mnt/hda2 /mnt/hda3 /mnt/hdb1 /mnt/hdb2 maybe ? :)
[10:30] <rysiek|pl> yep, sorry :]
[10:30] <ubuntu_> :D:d
[10:31] <rysiek|pl> it's late here :P
[10:31] <ubuntu_> poland?
[10:31] <rysiek|pl> aye
[10:31] <ubuntu_> romania here :d
[10:31] <ubuntu_> so same :D
[10:31] <rysiek|pl> m'kay :)
[10:31] <ubuntu_> 23:31
[10:31] <rysiek|pl> 22:31 here, but I slept 5hrs today
[10:31] <ubuntu_> we have same time :d
[10:32] <ubuntu_> i slept like 13 hours :D
[10:32] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: ok, let's finish the job
[10:32] <rysiek|pl> vim /etc/fstab
[10:32] <rysiek|pl> A key ;)
[10:33] <ubuntu_> unionfs / unionfs rw 0 0
[10:33] <ubuntu_> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
[10:33] <ubuntu_> /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs defaults,noauto,umask=0000 0 0
[10:33] <ubuntu_> /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2 ntfs defaults,noauto,umask=0000 0 0
[10:33] <ubuntu_> /dev/hda3 /mnt/hda3 ntfs defaults,noauto,umask=0000 0 0
[10:33] <ubuntu_> /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 ntfs defaults,noauto,umask=0000 0 0
[10:33] <ubuntu_> /dev/hdb2 /mnt/hdb2 ntfs defaults,noauto,umask=0000 0 0
[10:33] <ubuntu_> how is it?
[10:33] <rysiek|pl> perfect
[10:33] <ubuntu_> esc
[10:33] <ubuntu_> shift+zx2
[10:33] <rysiek|pl> shiftz... :)
[10:33] <ubuntu_> right?
[10:33] <rysiek|pl> yep
[10:34] <rysiek|pl> and... mount /dev/hda2 ...
[10:34] <ubuntu_> now mount?
[10:34] <ubuntu_> ok :)
[10:34] <rysiek|pl> yup
[10:34] <ubuntu_> do u haev yahoo id ?
[10:34] <rysiek|pl> nope, although I have my mailbox on yahoo
[10:34] <ubuntu_>  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[10:34] <ubuntu_>        missing codepage or other error
[10:35] <ubuntu_>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[10:35] <ubuntu_>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[10:35] <ubuntu_>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[10:35] <ubuntu_>        dmesg | tail  or so
[10:35] <ubuntu_> yea u should :)
[10:35] <ubuntu_> when i do mount /dev/hda2
[10:35] <rysiek|pl> hmmm
[10:35] <ubuntu_> they are extended :D
[10:35] <rysiek|pl> wait
[10:36] <rysiek|pl> how many NTFS partitions do you have?
[10:36] <rysiek|pl> how many disks does windows see?
[10:36] <ubuntu_> sorry i just realized the disks are hda5 hda6 hdb5...:)
[10:36] <ubuntu_> not hda2 hda3
[10:36] <rysiek|pl> lol, you know what to do ;)
[10:36] <Infecto> rysiek|pl: i`v got problems with starting this
[10:37] <rysiek|pl> and move the mountpoints too
[10:37] <mustafu> I notice that Kopete has Yahoo! webcam support....but it mentions some program named Jasper, and when I went to the site, the directions are cryptic, to say the least...is there not a slightly more newbie-friendly method to the madness?
[10:37] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: mv /mnt/hda2 /mnt/hda... and so on
[10:37] <rysiek|pl> mustafu: yes, install WengoPhone :P
[10:37] <rysiek|pl> Infecto: what are the problems
[10:38] <mustafu> wow, thanks
[10:38] <rysiek|pl> mustafu: wait :)
[10:38] <Infecto> may i msg to you ? me pl to :)
[10:38] <rysiek|pl> dajesz, panie
[10:38] <mustafu> ok ;)
[10:38] <jeff_> hey guys
[10:38] <rysiek|pl> mustafu: Wengo is Yet Another internet msger with voice and video chat
[10:39] <jeff_> does anybody know where to get a .deb of kopete 0.12 beta 2 for dapper?
[10:39] <rysiek|pl> mustafu: I don't think it's Yahoo-compatibile
[10:39] <mustafu> I see
[10:39] <hetauma> hi I have installed wine... how do I add it in Kmenu ?
[10:40] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:40] <mustafu> I guess I could try to build this Jasper thing and see what happens :/
[10:41] <fatejudger> is there any way to change the screen resolution of the login screen?
[10:41] <ubuntu_> ok i did it
[10:41] <fatejudger> that is, kdm
[10:41] <ubuntu_> they all work :D
[10:41] <ubuntu_> make yahoo id :P
[10:42] <jeff_> gangsters?
[10:42] <jeff_> does anybody know where to get a .deb of kopete 0.12 beta 2 for dapper?
[10:42] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu_: we'll try ;)
[10:43] <Sputnik8> @jeff which is the normal dapper-version?
[10:43] <ubuntu_> how do i install mplayer ? :)
[10:43] <jeff_> Sputnik8: the dapper version available ont eh site is beta 1
[10:44] <jeff_> Sputnik8: beta 2 is available for breezy
[10:44] <Sputnik8> hm?
[10:44] <jeff_> Sputnik8: what were you asking?
[10:44] <erov> ubuntu_: add "deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main"
[10:44] <erov> "deb-src http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main"
[10:45] <erov> to /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:45] <erov> if you really want to try it but it may not work or break something trivial to fix.. but... i finally got it all working smoothly
[10:46] <ubuntu_> guys in adept it shows that i have mplayer installed
[10:46] <ubuntu_> kmplayer
[10:46] <erov> the versions are also a bit older on that site but not too bad.. i'd suggest compiling or searching the ubuntu forums for a package link or .deb
[10:46] <ubuntu_> how do i run it?
[10:46] <ubuntu_> cause i dont have shortcut
[10:46] <erov> look in menu->multimedia->kmplayer
[10:46] <Sputnik8> @jeff_ I was just woundering ... and searching...
[10:46] <ubuntu_> it isnt
[10:47] <jeff_> Sputnik8: ok
[10:47] <ubuntu_> and in adept it says that its installed
[10:47] <jeff_> Sputnik8: kopete 0.12 beta 2 has a .deb for breesy
[10:47] <jeff_> *breezy
[10:47] <Sputnik8> @jeff_ hm... Did you try to compile by yourself?
[10:47] <jeff_> Sputnik8: ahh, i guess ill have to
[10:47] <jeff_> :-/
[10:47] <ubuntu_> i have reinstalled kmplayer from adept manager
[10:48] <ubuntu_> still it doesnt appear in mennu multimedia :d
[10:48] <Sputnik8> @jeff it might be that it is simple...
[10:48] <jeff_> ubuntu_: kmplayer is pretty spiffy eh?
[10:48] <Sputnik8> @jeff_ (read it somewhere but did not try it by myself)
[10:48] <jeff_> ok
[10:48] <erov> try typing it in the console and if that works find it and set your own menu link
[10:49] <ubuntu_> yea
[10:49] <ubuntu_> i wanna watch a movie :((
[10:49] <erov> vlc is a good player too
[10:49] <ubuntu_> it says its installed
[10:49] <ubuntu_> but i dont know how to run it from console
[10:49] <rysiek|pl> gtg, cu all
[10:49] <jeff_> erov: eyah its pretty good
[10:49] <erov> try 'kmplayer'
[10:50] <erov> at a shell prompt or just search your /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin etc. until you find evidence (or not) of it being installed
[10:50] <ubuntu_> i did a reinstall
[10:51] <murph2481_> anyone have a good list of keyboard shorcuts?
[10:52] <erov> i mean open a terminal and type it into the actual prompt.. as in execute a command
[10:52] <erov> also.. kaffeine should work .. with some plugins and such.. make sure you have the necessary video codecs installed.. one way to get this all to work immediately was/is EasyUbuntu .. i believe
[10:56] <ubuntu_> how do i install plugins in kaffeine ? to see avi
[10:58] <erov> http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/codecs.html
[10:58] <ubuntu_> where do i save them?
[10:59] <erov> maybe gstreamer too from apt
[10:59] <erov> uhm hold on
[10:59] <ubuntu_> i tryed
[10:59] <ubuntu_> nothing
[10:59] <ubuntu_> play with gstreamer
[11:00] <erov> hold on..
[11:00] <jeff_> im trying to compile kopete beta 2, but it says no acceptable c compiler when i ./configure
[11:00] <erov> jeff_: install gcc and the components that go allong with it
[11:04] <erov> ubuntu_: then put the codecs in /usr/local/lib/codecs/
[11:04] <erov> (as root of course (su do it from a terminal))
[11:05] <jeff_> erov: new error: c++ processor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[11:06] <erov> oh my bad install the c++ processor and related components as well
[11:06] <jeff_> ?
[11:06] <erov> many programs are a combination of c and c++
[11:06] <jeff_> ok
[11:06] <erov> cpp is the c plus plus compiler
[11:06] <jeff_> ok
[11:06] <erov> might be gpp
[11:06] <erov> not sure
[11:07] <jeff_> ok ill search it
[11:21] <osh___> is it possible to see which package requires apache-common when installing wordpress? I don't think it should be there since apache-common is a apache1.3-package and I already have apache2 installed.
[11:30] <Munchkinguy> What's the printer manager in Kubuntu called?
[11:31] <iNiku> kprinter? not sure
[11:33] <Blissex> Munchkinguy: use the Control Center
[11:33] <Munchkinguy> Ah, it's one of those
[11:34] <Munchkinguy> Thank you
[11:36] <malte_> hm
[11:36] <malte_> running dapper 6.06 beta 2 here, noticing that kde doesn't see when i create a file in ~/Desktop
[11:37] <malte_> that is, it doesn't seem to get updated and displayed as a file at all on my desktop
[11:37] <canllaith> Do you see any icons on your desktop?
[11:37] <canllaith> I had a little problem with kubuntu where I had to turn icons off then back on again in the KDesktop configure dialogue
[11:37] <canllaith> (right click on the desktop, configure desktop, behaviour, general)
[11:39] <malte_> canllaith: hm, tried that now but still can't see any icons
[11:40] <malte_> now it shows .directory (i told it to show hidden files)
[11:41] <malte_> but not other .blah files :S
[11:41] <malte_> must be showing some kind of cache?
[11:50] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bantracker.enabled True
[11:54] <LeeJunFan> wow, been a while since I updated dapper on my kids computer, ~800 packages to update.
[11:56] <geno_> Has anyone made XGL/compiz work kde window decorations here?<
[11:56] <malte_> isn't compiz a window manager?
[11:58] <geno_> There's a thing with kde decorations, I'm searching for the name of the package now
[12:00] <apokryphos> there's a compiz-kde package, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't use kde decorations
[12:00] <apokryphos> I don't believe anyone's tried to get that work for compiz yet