[09:13] <tjaalton> meh, installing nvidia kinda blacklists nouveau but not exactly
[09:16] <tjaalton> nouveau still gets loaded here
[09:20] <tjaalton> nvidia-352_hybrid.conf is not included in the initrd
[09:20] <tjaalton> etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-352_hybrid.conf
[09:20] <tjaalton> where's tseliot.. :)
[09:24] <tjaalton> with that fixed, hybrid on current xenial is totally busted, yes
[09:57] <tjaalton> tseliot: hi, so nvidia hybrid is broken here too with stock xenial
[09:58] <tjaalton> now the question is, what changed since wily, where I assume it worked
[09:58] <tjaalton> xserver didn't
[09:59] <tseliot> modesetting?
[09:59] <tseliot> or maybe some options are default now?
[09:59] <tjaalton> builtin
[10:00] <tjaalton> have you tried xenial?
[10:00] <tseliot> since that's common, I need to debug this myself here
[10:00] <tseliot> yes but I haven't tried the PPA
[10:00] <tjaalton> no this is stock xenial
[10:01] <tjaalton> doesn't need the ppa to trigger
[10:01] <tjaalton> also, first boot after installing the driver nouveau blacklist wasn't effective
[10:01] <tjaalton> enabled it via the additinal drivers thing
[10:01] <tjaalton> +o
[10:05] <tjaalton> and it didn't have the restart button
[10:05] <tjaalton> after the driver was installed
[10:07] <tseliot> ah
[10:07] <tseliot> ok, I'll try stock xenial again then
[10:08] <tseliot> I always use apt-get to install nvidia BTW
[10:08] <tjaalton> dunno what users use
[10:09] <tjaalton> but this is available, and I remember seeing crasher bugs where the system hadn't been restarted but just logged out and back in
[10:09] <tseliot> it should be the same though
[10:09] <tseliot> I'm not sure about the restart notification
[10:14] <tjaalton> vivid seems fine, but prime-switch segfaults
[10:14] <tjaalton> when run as user
[10:16] <tjaalton> as root it complains "/etc/modprobe.d is not a file"
[10:16] <tjaalton> and "no alternatives for x86_64-linux-gnu_gfxcore_conf"
[10:17] <tjaalton> upgrading this to wily then
[10:26] <tseliot> those two are just warnings
[10:27] <tjaalton> but why?-)
[10:27] <tseliot> the latter is expected, as only fglrx has that alternative
[10:28] <tseliot> the former is just for debugging
[10:28] <tseliot> prime-switch requires root privileges
[10:28] <tseliot> also the version of gpu-manager in vivid is old
[10:28] <tjaalton> which one should a noob user run?
[10:29] <tseliot> switching between profiles is done through nvidia-settings
[10:29] <tseliot> with a nice UI
[10:29] <tjaalton> ok
[10:29] <tseliot> assuming the driver works correctly
[10:30] <tjaalton> right
[10:32] <tseliot> let me update my xenial installation
[10:32] <tseliot> BTW if nouveau wasn't blacklisted, either the alternative was not set or the initramfs hadn't been updated yet
[10:34] <tjaalton> well driver installation didn't run update-initramfs then
[10:35] <tseliot> the package should have (in the postinst)
[10:39] <tseliot> mamarley: "The NVIDIA Linux OpenGL driver added support for GLVND with the release of the 361.16 beta driver. During the beta test phase, it was discovered that several applications relied on behaviors or attributes of the NVIDIA OpenGL driver that fall outside of the Linux OpenGL ABI [2]. As the GLVND-based libGL.so.1 library does not share these behaviors or attributes with the NVIDIA OpenGL driver, this resulted in incorrect behavior from applications
[10:40] <tseliot> "Please contact the vendors of any applications that are not compatible with GLVND to ensure that their applications be updated for compatibility with GLVND."
[10:41] <tjaalton> har har
[10:46] <tseliot> mamarley: "We have heard back from NVIDIA. They have confirmed this is a driver bug impacting the libglvnd-enabled driver (nobody but Archlinux at the moment). The driver bug will be fixed in a future release. For now, they recommend setting __GLVND_DISALLOW_PATCHING=1 as a workaround, although also setting __GL_THREADED_OPTIMIZATIONS=0 will work (although potentially more perf impact)." https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota-2/issues/756
[10:47] <tseliot> (that's in Steam, I suppose)
[11:05] <mamarley> Thanks!
[11:46] <soee> mamarley: will you be able to rebuild the package to make it work ?
[11:46] <soee> or do we have to wait for next release ?
[11:47] <mamarley> soee: NVIDIA confirmed it is a bug in the driver.  There is a workaround, however, which is to launch the application with the __GLVND_DISALLOW_PATCHING=1 environment variable set.
[11:56] <soee> mamarley: how can i set his variable ?
[11:56] <soee> *this
[12:11] <mamarley> soee: It might work to do "export __GLVND_DISALLOW_PATCHING=1" in a terminal window before launching Steam from that terminal window.  Like I said, I don't have Steam, so I can't test it.


[00:12] <wxl> tsimonq2: did the images ever get fixed?
[00:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: infinity said they should be good to go for the next rebuild
[00:13] <tsimonq2> unless you want to do it manually?
[00:13] <wxl> tsimonq2: k let me know if it's still an issue
[00:13] <wxl> naw not logged in right now :)
[00:14] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[00:14] <wxl> also i know i've seen lots of complainings about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1575460
[00:14] <wxl> do you know if julien knows or if anyone has tried to do anything about it?
[00:14] <tsimonq2> I know nothing
[00:14] <tsimonq2> need me to contact Julien?
[00:14] <wxl> kk
[00:14] <wxl> if you want to ping him about it, that would be great. lots of old machines/netwbooks/ertc are affected
[00:15] <wxl> if you see someone complaining about display issues in 16.04, that's likely it
[00:15] <wxl> i think maybe we should force ourselves to do some hardware testing next time an lts rolls around
[00:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: by the way, give dholbach a million hugs, I asked him to get a couple fixes for us in Xenial last time he had patch pilot
[00:16] <wxl> nice
[00:16] <tsimonq2> :D
[00:17] <tsimonq2> wxl: bug 1432271
[00:17] <wxl> oohhhhh abiword stuff yay :)
[00:17] <tsimonq2> wxl: there's a couple SRUs in there
[00:17] <tsimonq2> yeah :)
[00:17] <tsimonq2> wxl: you know what patch pilot is?
[00:18] <wxl> nuh uh
[00:18] <tsimonq2> well it's a thing where Canonical employees who have the access have to do a couple hours of reviewing the sponsoring queue every month for patched
[00:18] <tsimonq2> *patches
[00:18] <tsimonq2> there's a calendar that they sign up on
[00:18] <wxl> nice!
[00:19] <tsimonq2> so I found Daniel on his patch pilot day and I asked him to take a peek :)
[00:19] <tsimonq2> so if you ever look at #ubuntu-devel, when someone does "@pilot in" or "@pilot out," that's what it is
[00:20] <wxl> ah cool
[00:20] <tsimonq2> and it's listed in the topic too
[00:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: what's also nice is some people like to send emails to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>telling people what they did
[00:21] <wxl> very nice
[00:21] <tsimonq2> this is Daniel's recent email: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-June/039413.html
[00:21] <wxl> and some peopel complain canonical doesn't contribute (to the upstream kernel at least)
[00:21] <tsimonq2> well it's unrelated to that
[00:21]  * wxl nods
[00:21] <tsimonq2> and I actually think that's true to an extent
[00:22] <tsimonq2> I mean there's *some* stuff, but trivial compared to like Red Hat
[00:23] <wxl> it is true
[00:23] <wxl> but my point is that they do contribute
[00:23] <tsimonq2> yeah
[00:23] <wxl> it's not like canonical ONLY works on ubuntu products
[00:24] <tsimonq2> but they do more work downstream than upstream :)
[00:24] <tsimonq2> yeah, like Bazaar
[00:24] <wxl> true true
[00:24] <tsimonq2> and I think LightDM/
[00:24] <wxl> prolly
[00:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: for referece<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:24] <tsimonq2> that's the patch pilot calendar
[00:24] <tsimonq2> *reference
[00:25] <wxl> nice so we can hijack it and put a bunch of lxqt stuff in there DXD
[00:25] <tsimonq2> XD
[00:25] <tsimonq2> hahahahahaha
[00:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: so that SRU that Daniel kindly fixed has all the fixes for bug 1484785 , bug 1586708 , and bug 1432271 (which was transformed into an SRU)
[00:31] <tsimonq2> huh, it's currently stuck in proposed
[01:29] <lynorian> simple-scan
[01:30] <lynorian> one we seed currently done by canonical employees
[01:38] <tsimonq2> lynorian: huh?
[04:53] <nmide> i really like this distribution, i use it on my newer computer as well as older ones for speed
[04:53] <nmide> how does one get involved in helping maintain / update
[04:53] <nmide> ?
[04:59] <tsimonq2> nmide: well what would you like to do? :)
[05:00] <tsimonq2> nmide: would you like to code or what else?


[00:02] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: my soul
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat about my soul
[00:02] <kubotu> my soul and my servers are so heavily guilt riden at the video I can upload
[00:07] <torkiano> hello all, seems that there is a solution for bluetooth support: see last comments in http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172267
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'm planning on updating kdebluetooth for Jaunty
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> which will also be easily backported to the KDE 4.2 ppa without all the red tape of an SRU
[00:13] <torkiano> I think that is the only major bug intrepid has
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> aside from knetworkmanager being total crap
[00:16] <torkiano> yes, maybe ;-)
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> meh, need patches for solid-bluetooth
[00:18] <torkiano> but I believe that jaunty will be a great release: kpackage, webkitkde, kbluetooth, KDE 4.2 ... only miss a VoIP solution :-(
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> hopefully webkitkde
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> I remember that webkitkde was even being considered as early as the hard betas ;-)
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> *hardy
[00:21] <torkiano> I t've tried it and is not for mass use
[00:21] <torkiano> but with Qt 4.5 maybe
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> ugh, so can anybody help me out here?
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> I'm trying to install mysql-server-5.0 after I uninstalled 5.1
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> Unpacking mysql-server-5.0 (from .../mysql-server-5.0_5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.1 to 5.0.
[00:54] <jjesse-dell9> evening
[01:07] <jjesse-dell9> hrmm trying out quassel, seems more difficult to setup then konverstation
[01:14] <LaserJock> jjesse-dell9: yeah, for sure
[01:16] <jjesse-dell9> trying to figure it out
[01:16] <jjesse-dell9> one of the things i liked in konverstaion was the on screen notifications as most of the time i dont have my irc window open on top
[01:16] <jjesse-dell9> looks like quassel can do the same
[01:22]  * claydoh is thining of doing a how-to to set up quassel, but yeah it's not (yet) all that intuitive
[01:23]  * claydoh kind of figured it out after blindly stabbing at things, and still doesn't understand why he has 2 chat windows, or how to turn the extra one off
[01:27] <jjesse-dell9> i have it running, dont know if i like it or not :)
[01:28] <jjesse-dell9> hrmm is thera quassell doc?
[01:28] <claydoh> its useable
[01:28] <jjesse-dell9> dont see an entry for help - manual
[01:29] <claydoh> jjesse-dell9: not really, and their online docs are just starting out, quite bare
[01:29] <jjesse-dell9> seems a shame to drop something like konverstation though, i enjoy it a lot better as a program
[01:29]  * claydoh wonders if anyone is working on the kopete irc plugin
[01:29] <jjesse-dell9> but i understand why to drop it
[01:30] <jjesse-dell9> a kopete plugin would be nice one utility for all messaging/chat
[01:31] <claydoh> if only I could code .....
[01:32] <jjesse-dell9> me 2
[01:32] <claydoh> kmymoney2 will be kde3 for a while, too :(
[01:39] <vorian> o/
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> \o
[01:41] <jjesse-dell9> hrmm notifications for quassel not working correctly for some reason
[02:24] <jjesse-dell9> wow i just did a 5-a-day havent done one of those in a long long time
[02:47] <astromme> are notifications not working for you? they are for me
[02:47] <astromme> meh, ^^ was for jjesse-dell9
[03:11]  * ScottK waves to seele from home.
[03:12] <ScottK> astromme: IIRC you have to have focus stealing prevention to None to get the quassel notifications.
[03:22] <astromme> ScottK: Don't they show up in plasma though? thats what mine do.
[03:22] <ScottK> I'm on 4.1.  4.2 may be different.
[03:22] <astromme> ScottK: Oh, that's true, I'm on 4.2 with jaunty
[03:24] <freeflying_> astromme: when you press the Restart from kickoff in kde-4.2, what will happen?
[03:25] <ScottK> I think we want something like this if we don't have it: http://blog.ratonred.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/service-manager.png
[03:25] <astromme> freeflying_: It brings the restart dialog up?
[03:25] <astromme> ScottK: We do have something similar in SystemSettings? oh, that's for non-kde stuff
[03:25] <astromme> So how does he handle permissions?
[03:25] <freeflying_> astromme: can it really restart?
[03:26] <astromme> freeflying_: Yeah, it restarts my computer iirc
[03:26] <astromme> freeflying_: what happens with you?
[03:26] <ScottK> astromme: I haven't looked at the code yet.
[03:26] <freeflying_> astromme: its logout here
[03:27] <astromme> freeflying_: Trying on my laptop, let me see
[03:27] <freeflying_> astromme: thanks
[03:28] <astromme> freeflying_: It seems to be restarting for me.
[03:29] <freeflying_> astromme: then its a problem of mine, thanks for confirm
[05:00]  * seele is finally home
[05:00] <seele> ScottK: i forgot my house keys!
[05:01] <seele> ScottK: i got a book from B&N and went to a diner until Justin got back from his buddy's place (they were watching the game)
[05:01] <ScottK> Oh my.
[05:02] <seele> oh fucking )@(#$*&#@)(*$#@()$*
[05:02] <seele> i lost my calendar
[05:02] <seele> stupid fucking akonodi
[05:03] <nixternal> my ears!!!
[05:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^
[05:04] <seele> shit.. that is really really inconvenient
[05:04]  * seele shuffles through the past month worth of mails recreating her work calendar
[05:17]  * ScottK looks around and suggests a plasmoid-akonadi-backup would be a good thing if we had.
[05:17] <ScottK> seele: As requested: http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/01/kubuntu_evangelism_for_all_age.html
[05:19] <ScottK> Good night all.
[05:23] <seele> ScottK: nice.  have a good night
[10:14] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:16] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[10:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: going to upload kpackagekit?
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, today, in a couple of minutes
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: still rereading this time, along with a polishing on the new knetworkmanager packages
[10:58] <Riddell> new knetworkmanager?  KDE 3 or 4 version?
[10:59] <jussi01> Tonio_: how are they coming along?
[10:59] <jussi01> Riddell: the plasmoid - we were playing the other day with it.
[11:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde4 version
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: works like a charm since major update 3 days ago
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: te point is how to package this ?
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I name the packages knetworkmanager ?
[11:08] <Nightrose> does someone feel like backporting the latest quassel to intrepid experimental?
[11:08] <Tonio_> as we did before ?
[11:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: plasmoid-network-manager would follow the pattern
[11:09] <Riddell> sebas: FYI ^^
[11:09] <Tonio_> yup, and the replaces and provides the old ones right ?
[11:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: even the openvpn plugin seems to work decently :)
[11:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: replaces only if it overlaps files
[11:11] <jussi01> Tonio_: Im having a few issues with it - cant get it to connect properly. do you quit the kde3 version before adding the plasmoid? did you do anything else to ge it working?
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: it won't overlap
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe we can just have both in the repos atm...
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that better option for you ?
[11:14] <Riddell> yes, I'd prefer that
[11:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can review plasmoid-network-manager in a couple of minutes... now performing policykit and kpackagekit with the required fixes...
[11:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: libpackagekit and kpackagekit uploaded
[11:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: now processing policykit
[11:39] <jussi01> Tonio_: you are in super form today :D
[11:47] <Tonio_> jussi01 yup :)
[11:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: policykit-ke uploaded, this time all files licences are mentionned in the copyright, the copying file is in there, lintian is happy on both source and debs...
[11:49] <Riddell> no plasmoid-network-manager in New
[11:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep I didn't upload it, I want it reviewed in the first place
[11:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I upload and you review in NEW directly ?
[11:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just testing a build removing the linked .so files to make lintian happy on the deb file and that's okay, I'll upload then
[11:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: once everything is in the repos, I'll finish the k3B package, which is a little more complicated :)
[11:51] <Riddell> revu is best if nobody else has seen it yet
[11:51] <Riddell> have you got k3b to do anything?
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've been able to burn an iso file with it...
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I need to perform a lot of tests btw
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: the thing is that I can't upload on revu for some reason...
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tried to upload on revu.... we'll see if it happens, I'll ping you for revuing then...
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: you should have libpackagekit-qt, kpackagekit and policykit-kde in NEW now
[12:00] <Tonio_> adn reviewer for this please ? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-network-manager
[12:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: plasmoid-network-manager package looks fine, but I can't get it to connect to a network
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah.... works for me
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: what kind of security do you use ?
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: I use wpa2/psk
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: works like a charm on my side...
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: in any case we can approve this in universe and let people test to give feedback
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll upload regular svn snapshots as I did in the past on the kdebluetooth stuff...
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you okay on this rationale ?
[12:58] <delicowa> please can anyone point me to a site where i can download qt4 or qt3 tutorial in pdf format (search google [and still seraching])
[12:58] <Tonio_> jussi01_: I don't have the kde3 version installed at all fyi
[12:59] <Tonio_> jussi01_: aren't you using wpa/psk ?
[12:59] <delicowa> oooops * i meant searching not seraching
[12:59] <Tonio_> then maybe only wep and wpa2 do work at the moment...
[13:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebluetooth seems to be fixed against kde4.2, I'm updating the package and perform tests.... if that's okay, I'll upload
[13:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you reboot or restart kde in the first place for networkmanager ? it happened to me that I had to restart kde for it to work (pobably due to some kded thing, I didn't look at that point)
[13:06] <delicowa> please can anyone point me to a site where i can download qt4 or qt3 tutorial in pdf format (search google [and still searching])
[13:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebluetooth will have to wait for stable kde4.2 to be released due to changes in solid
[13:11] <Tm_T> Tonio_: but I have patch for 4.1
[13:11] <Riddell> ok, let me reboot
[13:11] <Riddell> delicowa: I don't know of any Qt tutorials in PDF but try doc.trolltech.com
[13:12] <Riddell> also techbase.kde.org
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: see kubuntu-devel mailing list for details on getting the patches
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> the guy who fixed kdebluetooth is offering to give patch sets for both 4.1 and 4.2 to interested parties/distros
[13:20] <delicowa> thanks riddell
[13:23] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: I already have the patch for 4.1 (:
[13:23]  * JontheEchidna wonders how you managed that
[13:23] <Tm_T> well, I was helping tpatzig to get it ready for release
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> aaaah
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[13:24] <Tm_T> I just don't have time to package stuff
[13:24] <Tm_T> busy with school and family
[13:34] <jjesse> morning
[13:50] <Riddell> rebooted, still can't get n-m plasmoid to work
[13:53] <mok0> Tm_T: School and family? What kind of excuse is that? :-P
[13:54] <Tm_T> mok0: excuse to get my 9 weeks old babye fed
[13:54] <Tm_T> -e
[13:54] <mok0> Tm_T: are you the mother?
[13:54] <Riddell> was going to say
[13:58] <ScottK> Tm_T: Could I have the 4.1 patch and I'll see about adding it to the pending 4.1.4 SRU?
[13:58] <Tm_T> mok0: I am, for apacheloggers father atleast
[13:58] <Tm_T> ScottK: yes, mail?
[13:58] <Tm_T> mok0: Riddell our baby doesn't eat milk, allergy
[13:58] <ScottK> ubuntu at kitterman dot com
[13:58] <Tm_T> ScottK: roger, coming your way
[13:58] <mok0> Tm_T: ah sorry to hear that
[13:59] <ScottK> Tm_T: ^^ Riddell and apachelogger: I'll take care of Intrepid.
[13:59] <Nightrose> morning ScottK :)
[13:59] <ScottK> Morning Nightrose.  I got your invite.
[13:59] <Nightrose> ScottK: do you have time to backport your intrepid quassel package to the experimanetal ppa for intrepid?
[14:00] <Nightrose> my friend upgraded the quassel core...
[14:00] <Nightrose> without asking me first
[14:00] <Tm_T> Nightrose: =)
[14:01] <Lure> Riddell: system-config-printer-kde is really cool - is this planned to go in KCM?
[14:01] <Nightrose> Tm_T: how's the baby doing? :)
[14:01] <Tm_T> Nightrose: fine thanks, after this milk allergy was located
[14:01] <ScottK> Nightrose: There's a version in my PPA (but it's not built again 4.2 - dunno if that'd be a problem).
[14:01] <Tm_T> Nightrose: much less pain for her
[14:02] <Nightrose> ScottK: thanks I'll check it :)
[14:02] <Nightrose> Tm_T: ah good
[14:04] <Nightrose> Sput: is it a problem if i use a quassel that wasn't build against 4.2 in 4.2?
[14:04] <Sput> Nightrose: we depend only on kdelibs, and I don't think we use any 4.2 features
[14:04] <Sput> so it should work
[14:04] <Sput> if KDE didn't break BIC :)
[14:05] <Nightrose> perfect
[14:05] <Nightrose> thx
[14:06] <Riddell> Tm_T: goodness, what does she eat?
[14:06] <Riddell> Lure: yes that's the plan
[14:06] <Tm_T> Riddell: astronaut food, milk proteines chopped down
[14:07] <Tm_T> ScottK: sent
[14:08] <ScottK> Tm_T: Thanks.
[14:08] <Tm_T> ScottK: thank you, son (:
[14:09] <ScottK> Son?  IIRC that would require time travel.
[14:11] <Tm_T> ScottK: ah, grandson
[14:11] <Lure> Riddell: great, I really like the autodetection that it provides (both for local as well as network printers)
[14:11]  * ScottK is still on the first cup of coffee, so I'm sure what Tm_T is saying will make more sense later.
[14:12] <ScottK> Who's doing the kdebluetooth update?
[14:12] <Tm_T> ScottK: well according to my CV, I was born in 1895
[14:13] <ScottK> OK.
[14:15] <Riddell> ScottK: "Could I have the 4.1 patch" this would suggest you are?
[14:15] <Riddell> ScottK: Tonio_ was just looking into it for 4.2
[14:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Since I'm doing the SRU, I need to wait for Jaunty.
[14:16] <ScottK> Once it's in Jaunty, I'll get them into Intrepid.
[14:16] <Riddell> ScottK: I wouldn't think that's an issue, jaunty will happen with the normal KDE updates
[14:17] <ScottK> Right, I wasn't going to wait on the KDE changes.  I was more interesting it letting kdebluetooth get uploaded to Jaunty first.
[14:18] <Nightrose> ScottK: thanks - package seems to work \o/
[14:18] <Nightrose> now to test if notifications work
[14:18] <ScottK> Great.
[14:18] <Nightrose> can someone highlight me please?
[14:18] <ScottK> Nightrose: Glad it worked
[14:18] <Nightrose> nope :(
[14:18] <ScottK> Nightrose: There is no notification if quassel is in focus.
[14:18] <Riddell> ScottK: oh, I see
[14:19] <Nightrose> ScottK: yea - it wasn't focused :(
[14:19] <Nightrose> ScottK: didn't work with neon quassel either
[14:19] <ScottK> Nightrose: Turn off focus stealing prevention.
[14:19] <Riddell> ScottK: well can't happen yet 13:11 < Tonio_> Riddell: kdebluetooth will have to wait for stable kde4.2 to be released due to changes in solid
[14:19] <Nightrose> ok will try
[14:19] <Nightrose> ok another try please?
[14:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Catch 22.  We should just upload kdebluetooth now.  It won't get any more broken
[14:20] <ScottK> Nightrose: Hi
[14:20] <Nightrose> still nothing :(
[14:20] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[14:20] <ScottK> jussi01_ was getting notifications on 4.2 the other day.
[14:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: ^^
[14:37] <Nightrose> yay!
[14:37] <Nightrose> notifications work!
[14:37]  * Nightrose bounces
[14:37] <Nightrose> ScottK: a reboot was needed
[14:38] <Nightrose> don't ask me why
[14:38] <Sput> Nightrose: probably a dbus restart, as I suspected a few hours ago :)
[14:38] <Nightrose> jep
[14:39] <Sput> dbus is a strange beast... still haven't wrapped my mind around it fully
[14:40] <ScottK> Sput: There was a message sent to ubuntu-devel (or maybe discuss today) about dbus integration in Ubuntu.  I'd appreciate it if you'd have a look and make sure you're doing stuff 'right'.
[14:40] <Sput> ScottK: what is the preferred location for config files to be stored? ~/.myapp or ~/.config/myapp.org/myapp/?
[14:40]  * ScottK looks at Riddell to answer ^^
[14:40] <Sput> the latter is XDG, but we tend to receive a lot of user questions about that
[14:40] <Riddell> Sput: ~/.config/myapp.org/myapp/ is nicer
[14:41] <Riddell> KDE apps in ~/.kde of course
[14:41] <Sput> well yeah
[14:41]  * ScottK has to run out and retrieve a child from a sleepover.
[14:41] <Sput> I still wonder if quassel with KDE integration should store everything in .kde... would cause trouble for people switching the Qt and the KDE version... humm
[14:42] <Sput> *between the
[14:47] <Riddell> Sput: I think the only disadvantage to using ~/.config/foo would be kiosk config lockdown wouldn't work
[14:48] <Sput> Riddell: yeah, we don't use that anyway... and it would save trouble with people switching between versions, and avoid inconsistencies, so I probably go that route
[14:49] <Sput> but XDG is preferred nowadays? all apps I've seen using that so far have been Qt apps (since QSettings default to that location), and users don't tend to know about that, so I wasn't sure
[14:50] <Riddell> XDG is preferred if there's no reason not to, but no point changing all the apps which use something else
[14:50] <Riddell> _Sime: poke
[14:50] <Riddell> _Sime: you're on the wiki as needing a room for FOSDEM, did you book something already?
[14:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: libpackagekit-qt needs quick fix and re-upload
[15:16] <NCommander> apachelogger, Riddell, or ScottK, ping?
[15:25] <Riddell> NCommander: hola
[15:25] <NCommander> Riddell, I'm committing a fix for kdebase-workspace now.
[15:25] <Riddell> NCommander: and you want me to upload?
[15:26] <NCommander> Riddell, after it finishes building in a PPA
[15:26] <NCommander> Its the same patches I used in .85; they got left out of the merge
[15:26] <Riddell> erk
[15:27] <NCommander> yeah, i already built on ARM, just need to make sure its happy on intel arches :-)
[15:33] <Tonio_> ScottK what about kdeblutooth ?
[15:33] <Tonio_> ScottK I've been attempting to build, but some classes are missing in Solid...
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> ok, I have the solid-bluetooth diffs for 4.1 and 4.2
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> but the email was rejected from the list
[15:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna++
[15:38] <Riddell> what for?
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> the guy who sent it wasn't allowed to post so it was autorejected
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> I'll forward them to the list
[15:39] <seele> what week is a good time for the next kubuntu meeting?
[15:39] <seele> there are probably some things to talk about before feature freeze.. things on my list include kpackagekit and verifying that we are including quassel
[15:40] <Riddell> I'm at the sprint week after next
[15:40] <seele> ok.. so before or after the sprint?
[15:40] <seele> after the spring is the week before feature freeze, correct?
[15:41] <Riddell> yes
[15:41] <Riddell> lets try for next week
[15:41] <seele> week of the 25th?
[15:42] <Riddell> yes
[15:42] <seele> ok
[15:42]  * seele sets up a doodle
[15:42] <Riddell> but not the 25th, that's Burns Nicht
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you approve my email to the list? It's in moderation queue due to the attachment size
[15:44] <Riddell> done
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> So did anybody want to patch it or am I free to volunteer to fix it for jaunty?
[15:46] <Riddell> fight it out with ScottK and Tonio_
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: ^^
[15:47] <Riddell> that's some big patches
[15:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: /tmp/buildd/kdebluetooth-0.2+svn913446/src/agent/agent.cpp:75: error: 'class Solid::Control::BluetoothInterface' has no member named 'findBluetoothRemoteDeviceUBI'
[15:48] <Tonio_> here is the kind of issues I'm getting in kdebluetooth :)
[15:48] <Tm_T> Tonio_: why not 0.3 ?
[15:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: mm hmm, well JontheEchidna just posted patches
[15:48] <Tonio_> Tm_T: naming isn't the debate :)
[15:48] <Tm_T> Tonio_: ah, roger
[15:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: well we can patch the current one for it to work
[15:48] <Riddell> and JontheEchidna's patches do include findBluetoothRemoteDeviceUBI
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: patches for solid-bluetooth required for kdebluetooth 0.3 are in the mailing list
[15:49] <Tonio_> or wait for the code to be fully fixed upstream for 4.2, which will happen, and update then
[15:49] <Tonio_> I don't see the point in patching for something to work *temporary* during a dev cycle...
[15:49] <Tonio_> my 2 cents :)
[15:49] <Riddell> I don't see the point in waiting
[15:49] <Tm_T> Tonio_: hmm, 4.2 is fine, in svn that is
[15:49] <Tm_T> Riddell: agreed
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> it'd be good testing for an SRU anyway
[15:50] <Tonio_> Tm_T: fine ? does the build work for you ?
[15:50] <Tm_T> Tonio_: does
[15:50] <Tonio_> Tm_T: HU ????????
[15:50] <Tm_T> Tonio_: and does in trunk too
[15:50]  * Tm_T is on trunk atm
[15:50] <Tonio_> Tm_T: can't happen... I'm up to date, fresh svn and it won't work for me...
[15:51] <Tm_T> Tonio_: weirdoh, ask from tpatzig did he backport it to 4.2
[15:51] <Tonio_> Tm_T: that's fresh svn building...
[15:51] <Tm_T> Tonio_: and/or if it does require patch, maybe I did something I don't remember
[15:51] <Tonio_> is the trunk 4.3 already ?
[15:51] <Tonio_> maybe that's my problem :)
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> yeah, trunk is 4.3 :-)
[15:51] <Tm_T> trunk definately is 4.3
[15:52] <Tonio_> ouch........
[15:52] <Tonio_> I missed that point :)
[15:52] <Tonio_> my bad, sorry guys
[15:54] <Tonio_> Tm_T: where would it be then ?
[15:54] <Tonio_> there's no playground or extragear in 4.2 :)
[15:55] <Tonio_> was backported on kde-apps..... shame on me...
[15:55]  * Tonio_ hides
[15:55] <Tonio_> I really have problems multitasking my life nowadays.....
[15:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: libpackagekit soname fixed and uploaded
[15:58] <Tonio_> ScottK, Tm_T, any package ready out there for kdebluetooth or should I package 0.3 ?
[15:58] <Riddell> ...you'll need to patch kdebase-workspace first...
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> There is a kdebluetooth package in existence
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> it's at 0.2 current
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> *currently
[15:59] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I haven't made any packages
[15:59] <Tm_T> Tonio_: nor have possibility, sowwy
[16:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can see that.
[16:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: you prefer to patch kdebase-workspace, and then drop the patch when stable is out, instead of just waiting ?
[16:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, that way we don't have to wait, and we can get the SRU in
[16:04] <Tonio_> okay
[16:05] <Tonio_> let's patch this then ;)
[16:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: remember to use bzr
[16:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[16:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: my 2 cents, but releasing a SRU with an unreleased software.... looks strange to me...
[16:12] <Riddell> it can't become more broken
[16:13] <Tonio_> on the other side, that's true, but well...pushing hudge svn diff patches in jaunty for a SRU of an unreleased software for intrepid....
[16:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like weird process to me ;)
[16:13] <Tonio_> anyway I'm doing this
[16:13] <Riddell> if it works, seems like that sensible thing to do
[16:14] <Tm_T> haha
[16:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: good point :) that's why I don't like doing SRUs :)
[16:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I like to have to wait for something to be released instead of having the user's giving me pressure :)
[16:15] <Tonio_> ScottK I hope to have jaunty packages for you toonight if that works...
[16:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: are you going to FOSDEM?
[16:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably
[16:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: got any accommodation in mind?
[16:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's unsure atm, but I'm on the list of people meant to be there
[16:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: well if I'm going there, my company's paying for everything.... I don't know for the hotel and so on...
[16:17] <Riddell> mm
[16:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: but if you're interested in the hotel name we're going, I can give you the information as soon as I have it eventually
[16:17] <Riddell> I need to find someone to share a room with today to get cheapish accommodation
[16:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, it depends if we have individual rooms or roomies.... I can't tell you atm...
[16:21] <NCommander> O_o;
[16:21] <NCommander> WTF
[16:21] <NCommander> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21426659/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-amd64.kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.1.96-0ubuntu5~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:21] <NCommander> anyone got any ideas?
[16:24] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, ping
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> pong
[16:25] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, care unbreaking kdebase-workspace with your RSS change :-)
[16:26] <Riddell> bzr is inconsistent with what's in the archive
[16:26] <NCommander> I noticed
[16:26] <NCommander> That's how my patches got left out
[16:26] <Tonio_> Riddell, ScottK: the svn diff for kdebase-workspace is 2MB...
[16:27] <Riddell> 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu4 hasn't been uploaded
[16:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum looking at the patch then
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> doh, forgot to copy over control from where I made the changes
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> NCommander: just add a build-dep on kdepimlibs5-dev
[16:28] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, I was testing that now :-)
[16:30] <ScottK> Tonio_: It'll probably be about 4 hours before I can work on Intrepid bluetooth, so 'tonight' in your TZ works great for me.
[16:31] <Tonio_> ScottK I need to wait for the ubuntu4 package to yet appear in launchpad anyway before testing on my own...
[16:32] <ScottK> OK.  Well about an hour ago soyuz' publisher was crashing.  Dunno if it's fixed yet.
[16:34] <Tonio_> we'll see ;)
[16:37] <nixternal> KDE 4 + NVIDIA == Karbage!
[16:37]  * nixternal wishes these workstations had Intel video instead of NVIDIA Quadros
[16:40] <ScottK> Tonio_: The diff that Tm_T sent me for 4.1 was only 157K.
[16:40] <Tm_T> (:
[16:44] <Sput> meh, I can have effects on nvidia, but not on my intel :p
[16:44] <Sput> current intel drivers suck on GM45, and older ones are too slow
[16:44] <Sput> whereas nvidia 180.xx actually has decent performance in KDE4
[16:44] <Riddell> jpds: you anything to do with Age Concern Reading
[16:44] <Riddell> ?
[16:44] <Tm_T> Sput: it has just fine performance here
[16:44] <jpds> Riddell: /msg
[16:53] <Tonio_> ScottK here is my problem with the kdebluetooth...
[16:54] <Tonio_> ScottK I looked at the diff between ouy current kdebase-workspace and the current svn snap from 4.2 branch...
[16:54] <Tonio_> ScottK there's not any difference in anything related to solid (./solid ./libs/solid)
[16:55] <ScottK> Tonio_: Did you look at the patches sent to kubuntu-devel?
[16:55] <Tonio_> ScottK nope, have a URL please ?
[16:55] <Tonio_> ScottK is the diff from trunk ?
[16:55] <ScottK> Looking
[16:56] <Tonio_> ScottK ho on the ML... looking
[16:56] <Tonio_> yeah, patches are from the trunk...
[16:56] <Tonio_> ScottK wouldn't it be better asking to tpatzig if he plans to backport to 4.2 ?
[16:57] <Tonio_> ScottK instead of patching from 4.3 when 4.2 isn't even released ? :)
[16:57] <ScottK> Tonio_: I'd say it's better to get it working or find out it doesn't sooner rather than later.
[16:57] <Tonio_> ScottKyup
[16:58] <ScottK> Note that the 4.1 patch is also described as against trunk, so I'm not sure what he means by trunk in any case.
[16:58] <Tonio_> ScottK between the svns, the kubuntu-devel, the ML and so on, I have to document myself a bit to look at all this :)
[16:58] <ScottK> Understand.
[16:59] <Tonio_> ScottK, hum okay.... so 4.2 isn't ready to work with it's codebase... and he wrote the patches...
[16:59] <jpds> Neat: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/kdebase
[16:59] <ScottK> Riddell: It occurs to me that because 4.1.4 is in proposed, fixing bluetooth on Intrepid will be tied to getting 4.1.4 accepted into -updates.  So I think we'll have plenty of testers.
[17:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you file SRU bugs for 4.1.4 yet?
[17:00] <Tonio_> ScottK what patches do you need in your case ? 4.2 or 4.2 ?
[17:00]  * Tonio_ doesn't work on SRUs...
[17:00] <ScottK> I need 4.1.
[17:00] <ScottK> Which I have.
[17:00] <Tonio_> have the kdebase-workspace patch ?
[17:00] <ScottK> Yes
[17:01] <ScottK> Tonio_: All I need from you is kdebluetooth updated in Jaunty so I can push it to Intrepid.
[17:01] <Tonio_> then I have to get the 4.2, eventually fix kdebase-workspace if nobody did (looks like this is already in the pipe) and provide a little kdebluetooth upgrade...
[17:01] <Riddell> ScottK: no I havn't
[17:01]  * ScottK is currently ordering groceries and not looking in detail.
[17:01] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm also being on what happened with the problems the other day.  lool can you remind us?
[17:01] <Tonio_> ScottK now it makes sense...
[17:02] <ScottK> Riddell: He's got a libxine SRU pending that would also need to go at the same time.
[17:02]  * ScottK thinks it starts to sound like Debian.
[17:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: is the kdebase-workspace ubuntu4 package supposed to have that patch ? bzr has no entries about that in the changelog ;)
[17:03] <ScottK> Riddell: It'd be very handy to have the 4.1.4 SRU bugs ready for people to comment on.
[17:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: which patch?
[17:03] <lool> Riddell: It's a bunch
[17:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: the kdebluetooth/solid one, you said me kdebase-workspace was in the pipe
[17:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: launchpad didn't update yet, so I can't see the changelog ;)
[17:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's waiting for someone (you) to put the patch in
[17:04] <Tonio_> oki (thought it was uploaded
[17:05] <Tonio_> ScottK where did you get the patch please ? opensuse source rpm ?
[17:05] <ScottK> Tm_T mailed it to me.
[17:05] <Tonio_> Tm_T: ping ? :)
[17:05] <Tm_T> Tonio_: yes son?
[17:05] <Tonio_> Tm_T: got the 4.2 patch or should I e-mail tpatzig to get it ?
[17:05] <ScottK> Tonio_: Isn't the patch on kubuntu-devel the one you want?
[17:06] <lool> Riddell: So there were fprintf-alike calls in xine-lib using translated strings as the format arg
[17:06] <Tonio_> ScottK true, I missed the 4.2.... it also is attached...
[17:06] <Tonio_> okay let's go
[17:06] <lool> Riddell: Some translations were borken
[17:06] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:06] <lool> Riddell: And used more format specs than the original english text
[17:06] <lool> Which caused crashes
[17:06] <Tm_T> Tonio_: no, only 4.1
[17:07] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I undestood that 4.2 got updated in svn
[17:07] <lool> This only started being very common after a KDE update; I suspect it's kdelibs' update which fixes some environment handling (probably results in the locale being set correctly when libxine is initialized)
[17:07] <ScottK> lool: We finally have kdebluetooth patches that I'm working on getting to -proposed, so we're trying to make sure we keep track of what needs to transition to -updates with 4.1.4.
[17:07] <lool> Riddell: We fixed xine-lib to prefix "%s" to these calls; fixed the langpacks; fixed at least part of these broken translations
[17:07] <ScottK> lool: IIRC there is an updated language pack pending testing?
[17:08] <lool> ScottK: I think it'd be best if you'd wait for langpack-gnome-it-base and -de as well as xine-lib to make it to -updates
[17:08] <lool> just to be on the safe side
[17:08] <ScottK> Any idea on the timeline for that?
[17:08] <lool> That said, more than just these xine-libs strings are affected
[17:08] <lool> ScottK: Everything's uploaded; latest langpacks only since yesterday; so in 10 days I'd guess?
[17:09] <lool> Unless SRU team wants to speed up things
[17:09] <lool> The things which still need doing: a) fixing programs to use %s when there's no format specifier in the english template (wont happen with most upstreams sadly)
[17:10] <lool> b) review all c-format strings when there's mismatch in number of % or incompatible % usage c) review other strings which look like C formats
[17:10] <lool> d) LP is being fixed to disallow these mismatches in more situations
[17:12] <ScottK> Well we'll want to bake 4.1.4 in -proposed for a while anyway.
[17:12] <ScottK> So I think a week or two isn't a major problem.
[17:13] <Tonio_> ScottK do you know what Michael Casadevall's nick is ?
[17:13] <ScottK> NCommander: ^^^
[17:13] <Tonio_> ScottK oki ;)
[17:14] <Tonio_> NCommander: bzr kdebase-workspace has both ubuntu4 and ubuntu5 entries, while current one is ubuntu3...
[17:14] <NCommander> Tonio_, I just committed a fix to fix that
[17:14] <Tonio_> NCommander: should I keep your changes in my ubuntu4 upload ?
[17:14] <Tonio_> NCommander: oki, nice
[17:14] <NCommander> Tonio_, yes, it fixes the ARm build
[17:15] <Tonio_> NCommander: is that uploaded in the archives ? if not I'll upload with the kdebluetooth patch
[17:15] <NCommander> You fixed kdebluetooth?
[17:15]  * NCommander hugs Tonio_!
[17:15] <Tonio_> NCommander: I'm working on it :)
[17:15] <NCommander> Tonio_, no its not, just add your patch to Bazaar, and build the end result
[17:15] <NCommander> Then get ScottK or Riddell  to sponsor as I'm not a core dev
[17:16] <ScottK> NCommander: Tonio_ is core-dev
[17:16] <NCommander> Well
[17:16] <NCommander> If I didn't just stick my foot in my mouth ...
[17:16] <ScottK> NCommander: meet Tonio_.  Tonio_ meet NCommander.
[17:17] <NCommander> Tonio_, I'm the guy who fixed the miserable pile of errors that was KDE on ARM :-)
[17:17] <ScottK> Tonio_: NCommander has been doing us a lot of good work as he says.  We also converted him to run Kubuntu.
[17:17] <NCommander> ScottK, i fixed my bug with Xubuntu
[17:18] <NCommander> ;-)
[17:18]  * NCommander runs
[17:19] <Tonio_> NCommander: we already discussed in the past, but I must say I didn't knew who you were.... and I was mostly offline for personal reasons :)
[17:20] <NCommander> Tonio_, Not a problem, its a pleasure to meet another Kubuntu guy
[17:21] <Riddell> you two may well have met at UDS
[17:21]  * NCommander doesn't remember
[17:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: note that ubuntu4 isn't uploaded for kdebase-workspace, you should merge the ubuntu5 changelog into it
[17:22]  * Tm_T would love to be in UDS some time
[17:22] <jcastro> hey Riddell, I would like to put kdebase on my hitlist for improving bug linkages this cycle
[17:22] <jcastro> I am just going to have nixternal do all the work. *cough*
[17:23] <NCommander> Riddell, I committed a fix for that!
[17:23] <NCommander> People, BZR PULL!
[17:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's what I did after pinging NCommander about the bzr changelog file
[17:24] <Riddell> jcastro: which one?  there's three from upstream (but only one exists upstream)
[17:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: the package is building locally and if no issue, I'll upload and then upload kdebluetooth
[17:24] <NCommander> Awesom
[17:24] <jcastro> Riddell: it's listed in lp as "kdebase", so whichever that one maps to?
[17:24] <jcastro> if it's wrong or something it might explain why the numbers are kind of crap
[17:24] <Riddell> it maps to three in ubuntu
[17:24] <Riddell> kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace kdebase
[17:25] <Riddell> upstream gives us split tarballs but doesn't have split svn
[17:25] <jcastro> ah, kdebase-workspace shows up different for me on the upstream report
[17:25] <Tonio_> ScottK I have the kdebluetooth package ready, so as I'll wait for kdebase-workspace to get in the archives before upload, you might get it tomorrow....
[17:25] <Tonio_> ScottKis that fine ?
[17:26] <ScottK> Tonio_: Would you push your changes to bzr or publish it somewhere then so I can start work?
[17:26]  * ScottK doesn't know if we have bzr for kdebluetooth.
[17:27] <Riddell> we don't
[17:31] <Tonio_> ScottK well it's very little package.... would you like a bzr branch for that one ?
[17:32] <Tonio_> ScottK I can push you the source package somewhere, but I need to test the build first.
[17:32] <ScottK> Tonio_: I just want the package.  Push the source somewhere is fine.
[17:34] <Tonio_> ScottK: http://planetemu.net/temp/kdebluetooth/
[17:34] <Tonio_> ScottK just a simple uupdate there, since I can't build, nore test it
[17:35] <Tonio_> ScottK the current package doesn't have any patch btw, so this one, as long as building, should be okay
[17:36] <ScottK> Tonio_: OK.  Would you mind putting up a signed pacakge?
[17:36] <Tonio_> ScottKsure not
[17:37] <apachelogger> morning, day, evening
[17:37] <apachelogger> *uploading cdbs*
[17:38] <Tonio_> ScottKuploaded
[17:40]  * apachelogger thinks that Tonio_ should fix his autocompletion :P
[17:40] <ScottK> Tonio_: Got it.  Thanks.
[17:40] <apachelogger> oh neato, apparently all l10n packs are up
[17:41] <apachelogger> also with that upcoming cdbs revision the documentation path will change
[17:41] <apachelogger> NCommander: btw, 4.2.0?
[17:42] <ScottK> Sput: I have no idea how hard this would be, but apport integration would be a lovely thing to have (make all of our lives easier): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/DeveloperHowTo
[17:42] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:43]  * apachelogger notes that apport only makes apachelogger's live more difficult
[17:44]  * apachelogger pushed kubuntu-default-settings with fix for kickoff branding
[17:47]  * ScottK heads off for a while ....
[17:48] <apachelogger> jcastro: improving upstream linkage of the kdebases would imply that they very valid ... something I am not sure for most of them
[17:48] <apachelogger> not for KDE 4.2 anyway
[17:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: you havn't re-uploaded https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpackagekit-qt
[17:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: you'll need to bump the version number
[17:49] <jcastro> apachelogger: ok, well, if we figure out that it's not then that's fine too
[17:51] <apachelogger> jcastro: we will hunt through them soonish I guess, in order to get pressing issues fixed in 4.2.x
[17:51] <apachelogger> that ought to improve the linkage :)
[17:52] <apachelogger> oh it's meeting time again
[17:52] <jcastro> apachelogger: I was thinking a cycle-long drive to improve it, then next cycle we pick another one, etc.
[17:53] <jcastro> it's kind of boring for kde though, you guys don't have enough open kubuntu bugs. :p
[17:53] <Nightrose> not enough?
[17:53] <Nightrose> oh dear
[17:53] <Nightrose> how many is enough? ;-)
[17:53] <jcastro> heh
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> we had 700 in the middle of the intrepid cycle for kdebase
[17:54]  * apachelogger notes that we are way too good at bug house keeping :P
[17:55] <jcastro> don't slow down on my account, heh
[17:56] <apachelogger> :)
[18:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: wasn't it rejected ?
[18:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't bump cause I thought you rejected the package from NEW....
[18:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki I'll reupload then
[18:02] <Riddell> I rejected the binary package, source was already accepted
[18:02] <rgreening> hey all. sry for being incognito for a while... I should be back on more regular now and can get tomy todo list...
[18:02] <ScottK> rgreening: o/
[18:02] <rgreening> \o
[18:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki uploading 0ubuntu2 package then with a changelog entry
[18:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: renamed libpackagekit-qt0 to qt2 according to soname, as expected..
[18:06] <apachelogger> rgreening: servus
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> awesome: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/amarok
[18:07] <Riddell> anyone use MSN/WLM messenger?
[18:07] <apachelogger> rgreening: perfect timing, 4.2.0 is up for packaging in a few days ;)
[18:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I use MSN
[18:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: cor, what happened on the 12th?
[18:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: kopete somewhere ? :)
[18:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's your ID?
[18:07] <ScottK> Tonio_: Did you see http://blog.ratonred.com/2009/01/a-new-stuff-with-the-power-of-plasma/ <- Your friends at Pardus have been busy.
[18:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: we introduced amarok2 ;-)
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: amarok 2.0 hit jaunty
[18:07] <Tonio_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:07] <Riddell> aah
[18:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: get that?
[18:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me sign in :)
[18:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm on... what should I get ?
[18:09] <Riddell> dunno, I don't use this proprietry nonsense
[18:09]  * apachelogger thinks upper german greeting would be nice today
[18:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: why did you need my id then ? :)
[18:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: well I'm trying to contact you now with it
[18:10] <Riddell> it seems to think you're in a chat with me
[18:10] <Tonio_> ScottK yeah, pardus is coding interesting stuff.... we might looking closelly in the future :)
[18:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you see me?  microsoft@jriddell. org
[18:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't see anything, but that already happened to me with amsn...
[18:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: not yet, lemme try to add you
[18:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: you registered a passport ? fine...
[18:11] <Riddell> yes
[18:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: it says you added me
[18:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: it tells me you are not online and I'm not in your contact list
[18:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's probably amsn doing crap...
[18:12] <Tonio_> can you try to speak please ?
[18:12] <Riddell> I am
[18:13] <Tonio_> nothing happens..
[18:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: can I get your kopete somewhere ? I think that can be amsn causing trouble, really...
[18:14] <Nightrose> Riddell: want me to try?
[18:14] <Riddell> Nightrose: please do
[18:14] <Nightrose> Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:15] <rgreening> apachelogger: excellent... I'll be around
[18:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kopete_4.1.96-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[18:15] <Riddell> Nightrose: says you're offline
[18:15] <Nightrose> huh?
[18:16] <Nightrose> i am signed in
[18:18] <Riddell> Nightrose: can't see me?
[18:18] <Riddell> tonio can see me now
[18:18] <Nightrose> Riddell: nope - nothing
[18:18] <Riddell> Nightrose: what if you add me?
[18:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, if you want to give mysql 5.1 a shot ... I don't seem to be able to get the pkgdatadir var changed properly
[18:18] <Nightrose> Riddell: adress?
[18:19] <Riddell> Nightrose: microsoft@jriddell. org
[18:19] <Nightrose> haha
[18:19] <Nightrose> alright let me try
[18:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: fooey, I'll look at it
[18:19] <apachelogger> thx
[18:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems to work...
[18:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: pling
[18:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: I still see you as offline
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: plong
[18:20] <Riddell> even though I can talk to you
[18:20] <Riddell> spooky
[18:20] <Tonio_> as said, taht's probably amsn
[18:20] <Nightrose> Riddell: says you are offline
[18:20] <Tonio_> lemme switch
[18:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you were the one I discussed the about kubuntu dialog with?
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> the about kubuntu dialog?
[18:21] <apachelogger> there was a bug report about kubuntu not being identifable as kubuntu
[18:21] <apachelogger> due to lack of an about dialog
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> the one where we patch kdelibs to make it "About Kubuntu" and also incorporate about kde inos?
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> s/inos/infos
[18:21] <apachelogger> aye
[18:21] <Riddell> kopete is a mess of windows, it should learn to use tabs
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: then yes, yes I was
[18:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: it can afaik
[18:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: could be configured...
[18:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde3 kopete had tabs by default within kds
[18:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I took a look into it this morning ... as I see it we have 3 options: !) replace about KDE completely with about Kubuntu 2) add an additional about Kubuntu 3) add about Kubuntu, remove about KDE, but make the actual dialog part of the about Kubuntu one
[18:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: 1) and 2) are considerable easy .. 2) requires a bit more changes (nothing too fancy though)
[18:23] <apachelogger> building the dialog itself is fairly simple
[18:24] <apachelogger> another approach would be to create a completely independent app
[18:25] <Nightrose> Riddell: i use kopete with tabs here
[18:25] <Riddell> Nightrose: are you using kopete from kubuntu?
[18:25] <Nightrose> and i still don't understand why we can't see each other
[18:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: should be easy to invoke, but doesn't get created as subwindow of the invoker, so it would actually appear as individual app
[18:25] <Nightrose> jep
[18:25] <Riddell> Nightrose: then it's probably not compiled with libmsn
[18:25] <Nightrose> whatever is newest with experimental ppa
[18:25] <Riddell> Nightrose: try http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kopete_4.1.96-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[18:25] <Riddell> oh wait, that's jaunty
[18:25] <Nightrose> well i see other msn contact online
[18:26] <Nightrose> like my brother
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> brb
[18:26] <Nightrose> *contacts
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> shoveling the porch
[18:26]  * apachelogger dumped to much thoughts on JontheEchidna :P
[18:26] <apachelogger> *too many
[18:31]  * rgreening is upgrading to Jaunty Alpha-3
[18:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I changed my status and my contacts could see it.... that's probably an e-mail verification that blocks you
[18:31] <Riddell> that e-mail address isn't actually valid
[18:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: but you're using my kopete build?
[18:32] <Tonio_> that would eventually explain :)
[18:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: now yes
[18:32] <Riddell> well that's what I want to test so should be good, I'll upload it
[18:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: can't wait :)
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> back
[18:37] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph
[18:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I upload plasmoid-network-manager ?
[18:37] <apachelogger> read it, love it, hug it
[18:37]  * apachelogger demands cookies meanwhile
[18:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know not everyone seems to be able to use it, but that way people can test...
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> ~order cookies apachelogger
[18:37]  * kubotu slides cookies apachelogger down the bar to JontheEchidna
[18:38] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> er
[18:38] <apachelogger> ~order cookies, xmas
[18:38]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to apachelogger and shouts: Happy whatever -.-
[18:38] <apachelogger> :D
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> ~help order
[18:38] <kubotu> You may also have a look at 'help order goods/machines/replies' ... Placing an order is actually easy as hell. 'order GOOD' => GOOD gets slid down the bar. 'order GOOD for NICK' => GOOD get slid down the bar to NICK. 'order GOOD for everyone' => everyone gets GOOD (in case the good is finite it will end as you place this order). 'order birthday package' => in case you want to make a special birthday present ;-)
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> oh
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> ~order cookies for apachelogger
[18:38]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger.
[18:38] <rgreening> is the new knetworkmanager plamoid available for testing yet
[18:39] <Tonio_> rgreening: I have a package, revu was okay
[18:39] <Tonio_> rgreening: but as master Riddell and a couple of other people couldn't connect, I was wondering if I should upload :)
[18:39] <Tonio_> rgreening: but I can give you a deb ;)
[18:40] <Tonio_> rgreening: I suspect it won't connect to any kind of security wireless cases.... wpa2 seems okay, wpa seems broken...
[18:40] <rgreening> Tonio_: sure...
[18:40] <rgreening> Tonio_: I use wep
[18:41] <Tonio_> rgreening: see http://planetemu.net/temp/nm
[18:42] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas
[18:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: I tried it with my flatmates account and it works better
[18:44] <Riddell> so I guess not being verified causes issues
[18:45] <rgreening> Tonio_: ty. do you know if wep works?
[18:46] <apachelogger> Tonio_: is policykit in jaunty yet?
[18:46] <apachelogger> nvm :P
[18:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: nothing in New queue
[18:47] <Tonio_> rgreening: I don't know yet :)
[18:47] <Tonio_> rgreening: please give feedback
[18:49] <rgreening> Tonio_: ok. will do. Im updating to Jaunty Alpha-3 first (31% dl now).
[18:49] <Tonio_> rgreening: great ;)
[18:50] <Tonio_> Riddell, apachelogger : [ubuntu/jaunty] policykit-kde 0.0+svn913422-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[18:50] <Tonio_> Riddell, apachelogger :
[18:50] <Tonio_> Date:
[18:50] <Tonio_> Today 12:50:14
[18:51] <Tonio_> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-kde/0.0+svn913422-0ubuntu1
[18:52] <Riddell> hmm, why didn't that end up in New?
[18:52] <Riddell> well I accepted libpackagekit-qt2 so maybe we'll have a kpackagekit in jaunty soon
[18:53] <_Sime> Riddell: fosdem. I put myself up as needing a room. I assumed there would be a group booking???
[18:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe someone else accepted... I don't know
[18:53] <Riddell> _Sime: no, we have to sort ourselves out
[18:54] <_Sime> oh
[18:54] <Riddell> _Sime: fancy sharing a room on friday and saturday night?
[18:54] <_Sime> good idea.
[18:54] <_Sime> in the hotel?
[18:54] <Riddell> _Sime: yeah, the one Wendy recommended
[18:55] <_Sime> cool
[18:56] <_Sime> so who gets to book? ;-)
[18:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebase-workspace built successfully, uploading and then giving love to kdebluetooth
[18:57] <Riddell> _Sime: might be a bit cheaper if you did it, no currency convertion
[18:58] <_Sime> no worries.
[18:59] <Riddell> _Sime: http://www.hotelalbert.be/ 'do not forget to mention "KDE voor Emile" to obtain these special prices'
[19:00] <_Sime> who is Emile...
[19:00] <Riddell> someone at the hotel?
[19:03] <_Sime> maybe,
[19:03] <_Sime> how late will you be at the hotel?
[19:03] <_Sime> roughy
[19:03] <_Sime> roughly
[19:04] <Riddell> _Sime: flight gets in at 20:10
[19:04] <Riddell> so maybe 21:00?
[19:04] <Riddell> probably more like 21:30
[19:04] <_Sime> then I'll be earlier.
[19:06] <_Sime> ok, form is submitted. They haven't asked for money yet. ;-)
[19:06] <_Sime> I want to be there around 18:00.
[19:06] <_Sime> maybe earlier.
[19:07] <Riddell> you want to get to the free beer don't you? :)
[19:08] <Riddell> that was a pretty crowded pub last year, I might have to lose some weight so I can fit in between the mass of geeks
[19:09]  * apachelogger never bumped into so many people at once
[19:10] <apachelogger> was like causing chain reactions :D
[19:12] <apachelogger> uh
[19:12] <apachelogger> hah
[19:12] <apachelogger> jcastro: awesome blog post about badvista :D
[19:17] <apachelogger> \sh: you are clearly using the wrong desktop again
[19:20] <_Sime> apachelogger: are you coming to fosdem as well?
[19:20] <apachelogger> _Sime: nope, gotta work unfortunately :(
[19:36] <Nightrose> Riddell: _Sime: so you are in hotel albert as well now?
[19:36] <Nightrose> excellent :)
[19:36] <_Sime> Nightrose: I've booked a room for Riddell and myself. (assuming the booking goes through)
[19:36] <Nightrose> *nod*
[19:36] <Nightrose> they were pretty fast when i booked
[19:37] <_Sime> Nightrose: are most people staying in the albert?
[19:37] <Nightrose> jep me, fregl, sven423 and probably a few more
[19:37] <Nightrose> i think Jos and Jos too
[19:38] <_Sime> probably ade too
[19:38] <Nightrose> might be yea
[19:39] <Riddell> presumably wendy and so presumably wendy's Bart
[19:39] <Nightrose> don't they stay at home?
[19:40] <Riddell> oh, maybe
[19:40] <Nightrose> they don't live too far away no?
[19:41] <_Sime> I think they can just use the train.
[19:43]  * apachelogger notes that somehow the unreads in his bug mail folder always increase even though he is doing triage :(
[19:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: what is a pet-bug?
[19:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: top secret!  where did you hear about it?
[19:44] <Riddell> are you watching my every move on launchpad?
[19:44] <apachelogger> well, those affecting our product anyway :P
[19:44] <apachelogger> so yes, almost every
[19:46]  * Nightrose thinks Riddell is feeling stalked
[19:46] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> asac marked a heavily-duped/hated bug as a pet-bug
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> that's how I saw it
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> but I also saw jr's bug
[19:50] <apachelogger> pitti also marked one :P
[19:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: the canonical desktop team has been told to find 10 pet-bugs to mark in the hope of fixing them for jaunty
[19:55] <Riddell> so that's one
[19:55] <Riddell> I'm open to suggestions for other
[19:55] <Riddell> ..told each to find..
[19:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: get KHC a new backend ;-)
[19:58] <Riddell> KHC?
[20:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: khelpcenter
[20:00] <Riddell> mm, that's more of a feature
[20:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: I consider the unserchability of documentation a pretty grave defect
[20:01] <apachelogger> especially since there is a backend which is completely broken
[20:02] <Riddell> yes, strigi hasn't really helped with that as it ought
[20:03] <apachelogger> khelpcenter is not even using strigi/nepomuk ... even though strigi has a parser for docbook, so it would be able to index
[20:03]  * apachelogger looked into it, but eventually gave up on nepomuks query language
[20:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> plong
[20:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 66990
[20:05] <apachelogger> bug in firefox IMHO
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> shouldn't it default to xdg-email?
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> by default! ;P
[20:06] <apachelogger> my thinking
[20:06] <apachelogger> apparently it does not
[20:06] <apachelogger> ...spreading FUD about desktop integration...
[20:06] <apachelogger> <3 mozilla
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> ugh, this app distributes a debian dir in its tarball
[20:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: remove it before making a .orig generally
[20:09] <JontheEchidna> I have to change the foldername of the main folder in the tarball anyway
[20:10] <Riddell> the parent folder name never needs to be changed
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> even if it doesn't have a version number?
[20:10] <Riddell> even then
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> I thought that makes dpkg-buildpackage complain
[20:10] <Riddell> it might add a warning, nothing to be worried about
[20:11] <_Sime> pkg-kde-tools has trouble upgrading to 4.2.
[20:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it will cry you a river actually
[20:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: but for no good reason, unpacking with dpkg-source ensures the dir has the correct name anyway
[20:12]  * apachelogger loves moving bugs to other source packages :D
[20:12] <apachelogger> _Sime: intrepid?
[20:12] <_Sime> yes
[20:12] <apachelogger> _Sime: JontheEchidna is your man
[20:13] <_Sime> I'm just uninstalling the conflicting stuff. kdelibs5-dev and libplasma-dev.
[20:15] <apachelogger> _Sime: well, drop JontheEchidna the error
[20:15] <apachelogger> we need to fix that for 4.2.0 anyway
[20:16] <_Sime> he's not a real echidna is he?
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> nope ^_^
[20:16] <_Sime> JontheEchidna: ping
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> pong
[20:17] <_Sime> I couldn't read your nick. the colours in konversation clash.
[20:18] <_Sime> I guess you just read that I hit a conflict while upgrading to 4.2 on intrepid?
[20:18] <_Sime> pkg-kde-tools seemed to conflict with kdelibs5-dev and libplasma in some way.
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> just need to know which files, dpkg should complain more specifically back when it's acutally unpackaing the deb
[20:26] <_Sime> JontheEchidna: would that be listed in a apt errorlog somewhere?
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> the easiest way would probably be to sudo apt-get install pkg-kde-tools from the terminal
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> it'll output the error as long as you use a console updating tool
[20:28] <apachelogger> /var/log/dpkg.log
[20:28] <apachelogger> haha
[20:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I just marked > 1000 bug changes from you as read
[20:28] <apachelogger> no wonder my unread count constantly grows :P
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[20:29] <apachelogger> 1198 to be precise
[20:35] <Sput> ScottK: that apport thing looks like something that'd need to be installed by ubuntu packagers rather than upstream to me
[20:36] <seele> apachelogger: what kind of info do you need for a bug about akonodi eating calendar data?
[20:36] <seele> i've got no idea where to start besides "akonodi at calendar data and wont let me add new data"
[20:37] <apachelogger> ha
[20:37] <apachelogger> seele: me neither
[20:37] <ScottK> Sput: Agreed that it's only useful in the context of a distro that uses it, but I was hoping you could hand me patches to apply in our build....
[20:37] <Sput> ScottK: I did only scan the docs you linked me, but I couldn't see anything that could/should be done from our side
[20:38] <ScottK> OK.
[20:38]  * ScottK will see if he can figure something out then.
[20:38] <Sput> if there is anything, let me know - but so far it looks to me that the package needs to install some hooks file, and then the patched ubuntu kernel can do something with that
[20:39] <apachelogger> seele: ~/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/mysql.err for starters
[20:40] <Sput> ScottK: I don't see any indication that a program's source needs to be adapted, or that the program itself has to do anything with the apport process, but of course I might be wrong
[20:40] <ScottK> Sput: OK.  I'd assumed it was something to get from the crash file in $HOME to apport,  but I'll look into it.
[20:41] <Sput> ScottK: afaics the kernel intercepts segfaults and dumps its own crashlog
[20:41] <ScottK> OK.
[20:41] <Sput> if that conflicts with our own segfault handling, I can add a compile-time switch to disable that
[20:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: Nice dependency graph.  Oddly enough if I was drawing it I'd have drawn it reversed from that.
[20:42] <ScottK> Sput: Thanks.
[20:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: dependencies are always top=>down
[20:42] <apachelogger> at least all I have seen ;-)
[20:42] <ScottK> I believe you, it's just not how I tend to think of it.
[20:43] <apachelogger> +1
[20:43] <apachelogger> easy enough to get used to though
[20:43] <apachelogger> at least for me :)
[20:43] <ScottK> Yes
[20:44] <apachelogger> seele: what resource where you using? (akonaditray -> configure -> select resource -> modify -> screenshot)
[20:44]  * apachelogger notes that akonadi is not exactly easy to debug
[20:44] <apachelogger> + there is no documentation
[20:45] <apachelogger> seele: I recommend you talk to some akonadi dev in #kontact (or #akonadi if that exists)
[20:46] <apachelogger> technically I would assume that only the accessing resource is broken
[20:46] <apachelogger> the data might very well still be there
[20:46] <seele> apachelogger: i hope so, i'll go find someone
[20:46] <apachelogger> akonadi just can't access it anymore
[20:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: should I know the dood in #amarok?
[20:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: he is working on techbase and kontakt
[20:49] <apachelogger> hm
[20:49] <apachelogger> ha!
[20:49] <apachelogger> *remember*
[20:49] <apachelogger> and I should know :P
[20:49] <Nightrose> hehe
[20:49] <Nightrose> care to tell?
[20:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: honest to god, I don't know how aaron does it
[20:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: he wrote the neon documentation for techbase
[20:50] <Nightrose> how aaron does what? ;-)
[20:50] <Nightrose> ah cool
[20:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: remember all the people :P
[20:51] <Sput> well, he's a rock star
[20:52] <Nightrose> apachelogger: *lol*   it is not _that_ hard
[20:52]  * apachelogger forgets stuff after < 24 hours
[20:52] <apachelogger> leaves more place for FUD :P
[20:53]  * apachelogger also thinks his language engine is broken for quite some time now
[20:54] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, that locked device bug I poked you with the other day indeed turned out to be pulseaudio
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> pulseaudio ftl
[20:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: surprise surprise ;-)
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> it was pulseaudio + gstreamer... double eew
[20:57] <apachelogger> well, I have been damaged from hacking vb.net, vba, completely insane sql queries and uno, I could also do some work with gstreamer
[20:57] <apachelogger> maybe my movement engine gets damaged ... would be a good reason to stay at home and work on kubuntu ;-)
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, why does kubuntu-bugs monitor kde4-style-bespin?
[20:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: because it is KDE :P
[20:58] <apachelogger> and because smarter always breaks it :P
[20:58] <apachelogger> and all of KDE along with it
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> I removed kdar from the watch list since it was removed after feisty
[20:59] <apachelogger> poor kdar :(
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> and we no longer support fiesty anyways. and it has 0 bugs
[20:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you close all bugs?
[20:59] <apachelogger> must have been good software then :P
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> either that or underused :P
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> only ever had 3 uploads
[21:01] <apachelogger> must have been good and complete software then
[21:02] <apachelogger> wth is revolution linux
[21:02] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~revolution-linux
[21:02] <apachelogger> look at that
[21:02] <apachelogger> bug 315634
[21:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how about some triage target?
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> hmm?
[21:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: let's get rid of all the bugs in kdeedu
[21:08] <apachelogger> like, completely
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> oh-kay!
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> kdegames might be a good target too
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> btw, I seem to remember us finding the cause of the kpat crash in IRC, but I never saw it posted to the bug report and now I can't remember
[21:09]  * apachelogger finds edu more important because we would get cookies from Nightrose
[21:09] <apachelogger> and job oportunity at revolution linux
[21:09] <Nightrose> *g*
[21:10] <Nightrose> very true
[21:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we didn't IIRC
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> maybe I'm going crazy then :P
[21:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just randomg poking with the result that it is completely weird
[21:10] <apachelogger> I heared it's translation related though
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> of course, we'll probably be able to blame rosetta in the end
[21:12] <Nightrose> Riddell: quote from Wade's blog: "Kyle continues his work on the new Dot.  We have promises from him.  I’m printing this in public solely to put more pressure on him."
[21:12] <Nightrose> *g*
[21:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: could very well be upstream
[21:12] <apachelogger> plasma had loads of these issues, where configuration strings where translated and thus broke everything
[21:12] <apachelogger> in 4.0 times that is
[21:22] <seele> meeting is looking like it will happen wednesday.. just need to hear back from nixternal.  Tonio too
[21:22] <seele> nixternal: enter available times for kubuntu meeting! see topic
[21:24] <nixternal> seele: what time wednesday?
[21:26] <seele> nixternal: there are times all day, but the ones with the most people are 11AM EST, 1PM EST, 5PM EST
[21:27] <nixternal> I wouldn't be able to do any of those
[21:27] <seele> boh, that sucks.  no one is available on the saturday
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I know why kstars doesn't open the lin
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> k
[21:27] <apachelogger> tell
[21:28] <nixternal> saturday is the only ones I can do
[21:28] <apachelogger> better yet
[21:28] <apachelogger> fix it
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> It takes the string of the kaction passed to it and tries to match it against one in another list
[21:28] <rgreening> apachelogger: I just updated to latest alpha. amarok wants to remove kmail... any ideas?
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> if it can't find the string in the InfoList it fails
[21:29] <apachelogger> rgreening: yeah, we need to change mysql-5.1
[21:29]  * JontheEchidna doesn't quite know how to fix it though
[21:29] <apachelogger> debundle the usr/share stuff to a -data package and use a different directory than usr/share/mysql/
[21:29] <apachelogger> I failed on the latter do to limited knowledge of autotools
[21:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I don't even understand it :P
[21:30] <rgreening> apachelogger: wants to remove akonadi-kde akonadi-server kmail mysql-client-5.0 mysql-server mysql-server-5.0
[21:30] <rgreening> apachelogger: and install mysql-client-5.1 mysql-server-5.1
[21:30] <apachelogger> rgreening: yeah mysql-5.1 conflicts 5.0
[21:30] <apachelogger> amarok needs 5.1
[21:30] <apachelogger> akonadi 5.0
[21:31] <rgreening> so, if I up to mysql 5.1 first, will that leave my kmail
[21:31] <apachelogger> no
[21:31] <apachelogger> either or
[21:31] <rgreening> hmm... whats the planned fix
[21:31] <rgreening> akonadi 5.1?
[21:31] <rgreening> or whatever
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Ok, so you right-click mars and you get a context menu. Once you click "Page wikipedia" this function takes over: http://paste.ubuntu.com/107107/
[21:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so it happens in en_US as well?
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> nope, it works fine with default locale
[21:32] <apachelogger> hm
[21:33] <apachelogger> probably a translation problem then
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> could be a string mismatch between the infolist and kaction string
[21:33] <apachelogger> most likely, translated in one but not translated in the other or something like this
[21:33] <apachelogger> stracing would make sense to find out where that infolist is stored
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[21:33] <apachelogger> assuming it is a file
[21:34] <apachelogger> hm
[21:34] <apachelogger> rgreening: ping
[21:35] <rgreening> apachelogger: gnip
[21:35] <apachelogger> rgreening: ever wrote a MIR?
[21:35] <rgreening> Whats that acronym mean (I may have, but the arco escapes me)
[21:36] <apachelogger> main inclusion report
[21:36] <apachelogger> to get a package into main
[21:36] <apachelogger> !MIR
[21:36] <rgreening> ah, hmm... don't think so
[21:36] <rgreening> But I can
[21:36] <apachelogger> rgreening: about time then  ... bug 66362
[21:36] <apachelogger> ;-)
[21:36] <rgreening> k. i'll take it on.
[21:37] <apachelogger> rgreening: only get it started if you can put about an hour of undivided attention into it
[21:37] <apachelogger> one mostly needs to do a lot of research for information
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I can only find wikipedia in one string to be translated: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kdeedu/+pots/kstars/fr/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=wikipedia
[21:37] <rgreening> oh...
[21:38] <apachelogger> and if you don't the all mighty MIR team will eat you ;-)
[21:38] <apachelogger> rgreening: well, you can also cut it into pieces, but don't try to do other things while working on the report
[21:38] <rgreening> apachelogger: in that case, I won't have time today... but I can tomorrow
[21:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, maybe _we_ don't even import it ... do an strace and find out where that infolist is :P
[21:39] <apachelogger> rgreening: sure, we waited almost a year, one day more or less will not make us any more sad :P
[21:40] <apachelogger> oh 2 years actually ^_^
[21:40] <apachelogger> rgreening: considering the age of the report you might want to check if the dep moved to main meanwhile, or if kalzium even requires it still
[21:41] <rgreening> apachelogger: I'll look into it
[21:41] <apachelogger> "If you do not agree to the BSD licence, you will not be able to make translations in Launchpad."
[21:46] <Sime> Riddell: accomodation is confirmed. arrive 6 feb, depart 8 feb.
[21:47] <Riddell> Sime: super thanks, do we pay on arrival?
[21:48] <Sime> Riddell: I guess they will copy my CC when I check in, and pay on departure.
[21:49] <Riddell> Sime: ok, we'll sort that out at the time
[21:49] <Riddell> Sime: can I get your mobile number so I can find you on the night?
[21:50] <Sime> hehe
[21:51] <Sime> i've emailed it on to your
[21:51] <Sime> you
[21:55] <Riddell> Sime: gotit thanks, my phone is at jriddell.org/contact.html
[21:58] <Sime> Riddell: which number is which?
[21:59] <Riddell> hmm, I should clarify that
[21:59] <Sime> international format would help too
[22:00] <Riddell> Sime: updated
[22:00] <Sime> ah ha!
[22:01] <Sime> very stalker friendly page there Riddell ... ;-)
[22:01] <Riddell> no stalkers yet
[22:05]  * apachelogger sends mail to the stalker club he is member of :P
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what would I be looking for in the strace?
[22:05] <Sime> Riddell: I'll test that number, don't pick up though. :)
[22:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: infolist
[22:05] <jussi01> Riddell: not that youve noticed :P
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: not present
[22:06] <apachelogger> oh dear
[22:06] <apachelogger> maybe it is no list :P
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> "that's no moon"
[22:07] <apachelogger> ./kspopupmenu.cpp:    //If the star is named, add custom items to popup menu based on object's ImageList and InfoList
[22:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: who needs that old thing anyway
[22:08] <apachelogger> funnies
[22:08] <apachelogger> source doesn't wanna tell me where that list comes from -.-
[22:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I recommend talking to $upstream ... I heared Arby got friends over at kdeedu ;-)
[22:10]  * JontheEchidna cowers in fear
[22:10]  * Arby checks the exits
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> ./kstarsdata.cpp:                        o->InfoList().append( url );
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> but where does the list come from...
[22:11] <apachelogger> upstream will know
[22:12] <Riddell> Sime: nothing
[22:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: from the aux it seems
[22:12] <Sime> Riddell: ok, you're awake. wait
[22:12] <Riddell> Sime: there it goes
[22:12] <Sime> ringing
[22:12] <Sime> cool
[22:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna:  *@struct AuxInfo
[22:13] <apachelogger>  *Stores Users' Logs and QStringLists of URLs for images
[22:13] <apachelogger>  *and webpages regarding an object in the sky.
[22:14] <apachelogger> ha!
[22:14] <apachelogger> hu!
[22:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: data/info_url.dat
[22:14] <apachelogger> #Data file for KStars, specifying object-specific Web Page URLs.
[22:14] <apachelogger> #For Image URLs, see image_url.dat.
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> liek whoa!
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger++
[22:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: search that strace for info_url I guess
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> open("/home/jonathan/.kde/share/apps/kstars/info_url.dat", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 11
[22:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that file does exist?
[22:16] <apachelogger> also, there must be more references
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it reads stuff from it
[22:16] <apachelogger> hum hum
[22:17] <apachelogger> me@apoc { ~ }$ apt-file search info_url
[22:17] <apachelogger> kstars-data: /usr/share/kde4/apps/kstars/info_url.dat
[22:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what does the file in your home contain?
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> here is the relevant part of the trace + a bit after: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/107123/
[22:19] <JontheEchidna> the file in my home contains a bunch of wikipedia and other urls
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> Mars:Wikipedia Page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_(planet)
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> Mars:SEDS Information Page:http://www.seds.org/nineplanets/nineplanets/mars.html
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> Mars:NASA Mars Missions:http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/index.html
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> Mars:NASA JPL Page:http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/solar_system/planets/mars_index.html
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> ^for example
[22:20] <apachelogger> hm
[22:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the file in kstars source contains weird numbers as well
[22:20]  * apachelogger installs kstars
[22:20] <apachelogger> btw
[22:20] <apachelogger> we need to upgrade indi
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> so I'm guessing that the problem is that Mars:Wikipedia Page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_(planet)
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> needs to be Mars:Page Wikipedia?
[22:24] <apachelogger> hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[22:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: possibly
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> at least in the french translation, but how do we translate that
[22:24] <apachelogger> it certainly works for me
[22:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it does not work for you, right?
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> it works for me
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> it, apparently, does not work for the french dude in the bug report
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> but I'm not using french
[22:25] <apachelogger> well
[22:25] <apachelogger> eh
[22:25] <apachelogger> you are confusing me
[22:25]  * apachelogger should be in bed :P
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> it works for me and I'm using english
[22:26] <apachelogger> nod nod
[22:27] <apachelogger> we need the french
[22:27] <mrvanes> hey, just upgrade kopete with wlm support but I can't seem to connect... is that a know problem?
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> oui
[22:27] <apachelogger> alors
[22:27] <apachelogger> on y va!
[22:28] <apachelogger> mrvanes: maybe Riddell broke it :P
[22:29] <mrvanes> hmm... well, it's a start, isn't it?
[22:30] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[22:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: works just fine with french
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> weird
[22:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe fixed in 4.2
[22:36] <apachelogger> or $reporter has a messed up local info file
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> maybe gnome has something to do with it?
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> maybe the stars are aligned wrong? (No pun intended :P)
[22:38] <_neversfelde> yes, gnome did it, gnome is the gardener :)
[22:38] <apachelogger> ^_^
[22:38] <apachelogger> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+imports
[22:38] <apachelogger> does it just look like it our did we get a priority bumpß
[22:38] <apachelogger> ?
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you were using fr_CA, correct?
[22:40] <apachelogger> aye
[22:40] <neversfelde> mcas and Monika|K are going to translate our quassel manual
[22:40] <apachelogger> installed via the language selector thingy
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> k, just making sure
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> nice
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> handy that
[22:40] <apachelogger> neversfelde: we have a manual?
[22:40] <neversfelde> hope that helps official kubuntu documentation
[22:40] <neversfelde> apachelogger: a german one
[22:40] <apachelogger> well, you could have written it in english right away :P
[22:41] <apachelogger> translating from german to english is way more difficult than vice versa
[22:41] <neversfelde> http://wiki.kubuntu-de.org/Kubuntu_benutzen/Internet/Quassel
[22:41] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I should not write an english text :)
[22:41] <apachelogger> Sput: do you need a manual ^^^^;-)
[22:42] <apachelogger> neversfelde: we should all be speaking japanese anyway
[22:42] <Sput> apachelogger: feel free to add it to our wiki :)
[22:42] <apachelogger> Sput: no, I mean real documentation
[22:42] <apachelogger> docbook wise
[22:42] <neversfelde> apachelogger: would be better
[22:42] <Sput> apachelogger: I'd take one :)
[22:43] <apachelogger> neversfelde: convert that too docbook
[22:43]  * apachelogger wants quassel in KHC!
[22:43] <Sput> apachelogger: we can also add stuff to our repo if needed/wished
[22:43] <neversfelde> whean translation is done, I will port it to a general version
[22:43] <apachelogger> poor degrade, half dead KHC
[22:43] <neversfelde> apachelogger: claydoh is doing it, ins't he?
[22:43] <apachelogger> Sput: stuff like?
[22:43] <apachelogger> neversfelde: doing what?
[22:43] <Sput> apachelogger: docbook files :)
[22:44] <neversfelde> a docbook file?
[22:44] <apachelogger> Sput: well, that is the idea, I am certainly not going to patch them in :P
[22:44] <apachelogger> neversfelde: dunno
[22:44]  * Sput knows next to nothing about docbook tbh
[22:44] <apachelogger> neversfelde: docbook is actually quite easy, much like html just smoother
[22:44] <apachelogger> Sput: well, you could/should put it in an individual tarball anyway
[22:44] <apachelogger> and maybe limit it to KDE audience
[22:45] <Sput> why that?
[22:45] <neversfelde> mhh, the german version is a liitle bit out of date, but I think we can update it easily
[22:45] <apachelogger> Sput: processing it in KDE is way too easy ... dunno about without-kde
[22:45] <Sput> note that there will be some visible UI changes over the next few weeks
[22:45] <neversfelde> a docbook should be more general?
[22:46] <apachelogger> neversfelde: yes, for use in quassel itself
[22:46] <apachelogger> explaining how client/core works etc.
[22:46] <neversfelde> apachelogger: k, I will write one
[22:46] <apachelogger> \o/
[22:46] <neversfelde> if it is needed
[22:46] <apachelogger> neversfelde: documentation is always needed
[22:47]  * apachelogger notes that it's now 1 hour past bedtime
[22:47] <apachelogger> ~order bed
[22:47]  * kubotu is placing a cot for apachelogger in the corner of #kubuntu-devel.
[22:47] <apachelogger> nini
[22:47] <neversfelde> ofcourse, but I can do it better in german :(
[22:47] <neversfelde> n8 apachelogger
[22:48] <apachelogger> neversfelde: well, we can improve it ... but usually someone needs to get such things started
[22:48] <neversfelde> well, hopefully there will be a basic english version in a few days
[22:59] <_neversfelde> gnah
[22:59] <_neversfelde> re
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> ok, so who is messing with kdebase-workspace at the moment? I've lost track
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-workspace-data needs a conflict/replace on kde-window-manager (<< 4.1.96) to prevent failure on 4.1.4 upgrades