[06:37] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:43] <superfly> evening folks
[08:51] <thatgraemeguy> morning peeps
[08:53] <mekiss> Morning
[09:28] <mazal> Mornings
[13:50] <gremble> gmail is convinced that the ubuntu-za mailinglist is spam or phishing emails
[17:00] <gremble> Good evening
[17:56] <magespawn> good evening
[17:56] <gremble> Hey magespawn
[17:56] <magespawn> hi gremble
[17:56] <gremble> How are you?
[17:58] <magespawn> stressful day at work, but otherwise good and you?
[18:00] <gremble> I'm alright, just annoyed by the heat. :/
[18:01] <magespawn> you in gauteng?
[18:03] <gremble> Ya, Pretoria
[18:04] <magespawn> i have heard about the heatwave up there, altough i have not been following the temperatures
[18:08] <gremble> We've reached into the high 30's pretty much every day
[18:08] <gremble> And on top of that it is quite humid
[18:09] <gremble> Not much wind. All and all rather uncomfortable
[18:09] <gremble> Additionally, there seems to be a water shortage
[18:09] <gremble> Last week they implemented water restrictions in the East of Pretoria
[18:10] <gremble> I have a plugstrip that used to be glued to my desk for easy access. I say used to, because the glue melted off today
[18:11] <magespawn> welcome to my world
[18:12] <magespawn> high 30 is fairly normal for us here, high 40s often in summer
[18:13] <magespawn> i now drill and mount my plugstrips with nail in anchors rather, also make them harder for other staff to move them.
[18:14] <magespawn> sounds like a lot of fun gremble, and here i thought i would be getting cooler if i moved back up there
[18:33] <gremble> Where are you situated?
[18:45] <magespawn> hluhluwe northern kzn
[18:45] <gremble> oh, ya you have it quite hot :P
[18:45] <gremble> Hopefully this heat breaks by the weekend
[18:46] <magespawn> if we can trust the weather reports it should
[18:52] <magespawn> anyway that is my bedtime, good nigth gremble, good night all
[19:13] <Cryterion_> squish102: you got me searching, found this http://www.n00bsonubuntu.net/content/install-tv-maxe-ubuntu-14-04/
[19:14] <Cryterion_> magespawn: don't trust weather reports, on my phone it reports 76degC when it's onl like 30
[19:15] <Cryterion_> and hi everyone
[19:17] <bushtech> Hi Cryterion, Hi all
[19:17] <Cryterion> hmm, should just close the other instance, lol
[19:17] <Cryterion> looks better, hi bushtech, haven't met you yet
[19:18] <bushtech> haven't been around here for a while
[19:18] <Cryterion> maaz tell squish102 http://www.n00bsonubuntu.net/content/install-tv-maxe-ubuntu-14-04/
[19:18] <Maaz_> Cryterion: Sure, I'll tell squish102 on freenode
[19:18] <bushtech> quite a long while
[19:19] <Cryterion> ah ok, only been here a few months now myself
[19:20] <Cryterion> it's been very quiet here over the last month, most peeps seem busy atm
[19:21] <bushtech> maybe their Ubuntu setups running ticketyboo!
[19:22] <Cryterion> ticketyboo?
[19:22] <bushtech> 100%
[19:25] <bushtech> anybody who can help me with a change to my 1404 raid1 server
[19:26] <bushtech> need to move the OS from being on 1 of the 2 drives to using a 3rd drive running the OS exclusively
[19:27] <superfly> bushtech: totally out of my depth, I'm afraid.
[19:28] <bushtech> Thanks superfly, thats more or less where I am too
[19:37] <Cryterion> only at a server with 1 drive atm, sorry
[19:39] <bushtech> np


[00:34] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: can you retry? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sip4-qt3/4.11.1-0ubuntu1/+build/2014822
[00:34] <Lex79> thanks
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: done
[00:35] <Lex79> k
[00:48] <Lex79> oh I didn't see python2.7 is ftbfs
[01:16] <CIA-96> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1190119 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ (6 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[01:16] <CIA-96> Birth of a new Config class. It's a wrapper around the libapt-pkg config API,
[01:16] <CIA-96> providing a KConfig-like API to the world. Let's start off read-only for now, as
[02:33] <EagleScreen> kgmailnotifier has not debug symbols in the debug repository
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> Unfortunately, I think QApt::Config is more robust against failure than APT's config parser. I cannot test the failure handling of QApt::Config because APT fails to initialize when junk data is in apt.conf v.v
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> but I guess that's what you get when you work with a 13 year old library
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> well, it does initialize. It just reports to have 3 million packages available, but isn't actually able to show packages
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> nevermind. It doesn't initalize. LibQApt doesn't seem to be catching the error and throwing an InitError in that case...
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> Apt is still braindead because it could easily ignore the junk at the end of the file
[03:16] <CIA-96> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1190132 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Throw an InitError in two more places that it can occur. Make a private throwInitError function since we are now using the exact same code in 3 places
[03:20] <CIA-96> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1190133 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/worker/ (worker.cpp worker.h) Handle the additional potential init failure points in the worker, too.
[03:47] <CIA-96> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1190136 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (config.cpp config.h) Add writeEntry functions for bool, int and QString types. All that's left is to write a function that can actually write to disk in the QApt Worker, and use it here.
[04:19] <CIA-96> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1190139 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs) Add a worker function to write a file to disk. Config can now read and write to disk int, bool and QString APT settings. \o/
[04:20] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, didn't imagine I'd get that whole thing done in an evening. Qt is great.
[04:30] <JontheEchidna> g'night
[07:42] <fabo> Riddell: have some logs about the #ubuntu-uds-curacao12 meeting
[07:42] <fabo> Riddell: it was midnight when you pinged ;)
[12:11] <sheytan> Kubuntu ad, this time with free music and fixed text http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JJFySfHaqo :D
[12:13] <CIA-96> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1190313 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Add a method to get the Backend's Config pointer.
[12:53] <eMyller> sheytan_: hey! :)
[12:53] <eMyller> needs some design @ ad
[14:08] <udslogger> Riddell: do the gudielines also apply to us?
[14:13] <Riddell> udslogger: I agree we shouldn't have the circle in aubergine
[14:14] <maco> udslogger: i think we get our own colour scheme
[14:14] <udslogger> ^^
[14:14] <udslogger> I was refering to spacing and stuff :P
[14:16] <Riddell> yes i think the spacing is sensible for us to keep
[14:17] <sheytan> eMyller hey :)
[14:17] <sheytan> eMyller how's the html5 player? :)
[14:18] <eMyller> sheytan: you told me a flash one would be used Oo
[14:18] <sheytan> udslogger i think we did. Or i was with someone else. Anyway, did you see the ad? we can add this little boy. It's only 1mb :D
[14:18] <sheytan> eMyller nope, flash as a secondary one
[14:18] <sheytan> eMyller but we have time :)
[14:19] <sheytan> flash is a crap
[14:19] <eMyller> sheytan: http://videojs.com/
[14:19] <eMyller> am gonna use it :)
[14:19] <udslogger> sheytan: 1mb is a lot
[14:19] <eMyller> it = videojs, not flash
[14:19] <sheytan> udslogger we can remove some stuff from the example content :D
[14:19] <eMyller> ad on the site? OH NOES
[14:20] <eMyller> at least not as a video/with audio
[14:20] <udslogger> sheytan: we do not have an example content?
[14:20] <sheytan> eMyller is this done by you?
[14:20] <sheytan> udslogger i didn't say that  :P
[14:20] <eMyller> sheytan: nope
[14:20] <udslogger> sheytan: we do not have example content!
[14:21] <eMyller> sheytan: i still have to code a site for my js project :0
[14:21] <eMyller> * :)
[14:21] <sheytan> eMyller but this java script, not html5 right?
[14:21] <sheytan> udslogger yes, i know, i didn't say we don't have. I said we can remove something to pu there the ad. Remove something to make space :D
[14:21] <eMyller> "html5" (as people call) is composed also by js stuff.
[14:21] <udslogger> ah right
[14:22] <udslogger> what would you like to remove?
[14:22] <udslogger> french translations?
[14:22] <udslogger> libreoffice?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> KDE?
[14:23] <sheytan> udslogger sometime ago i saw there examples of open document files. Is this still there?
[14:23] <udslogger> no
[14:23] <udslogger> that is what I am saying
[14:23] <udslogger> :P
[14:23] <sheytan> eMyller well, ok ;) But when we get this one, can we change the look of it? :)
[14:23] <eMyller> sheytan: yeah :)
[14:24] <eMyller> gimme the style and i code it asap
[14:24] <sheytan> udslogger ooh :( Anyway, if there will be some space available, you can include the ad :D
[14:24] <udslogger> what would the point be
[14:24] <sheytan> eMyller i already sent it to you :)
[14:24] <udslogger> you do not need to advertise something someone is already trying or even installing
[14:24] <eMyller> sheytan: i lost my hd :D
[14:24] <eMyller> sheytan: please send me again @ pvt
[14:24] <eMyller> oh wait
[14:24] <eMyller> ubuntu one :)
[14:24] <sheytan> eMyller ok, tell me if you have it
[14:24] <udslogger> shadeslayer: manpage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:25] <udslogger> shadeslayer: hello hello!
[14:25] <udslogger> shadeslayer: dude!
[14:25] <sheytan> udslogger well, you're right :D
[14:25] <udslogger> shadeslayer: HALO!
[14:25] <udslogger> shadeslayer: ...
[14:25] <eMyller> how can i install ubuntuone here? (maverick)
[14:25] <DarkwingDuck> udslogger: where you guys at
[14:25] <udslogger> shadeslayer aint is getting no notifications
[14:25] <eMyller> forgot the resource.
[14:25] <udslogger> DarkwingDuck: nakkid meeting
[14:25] <shadeslayer> haha
[14:26] <shadeslayer> i was staring at the spreadbuntu page
[14:26] <udslogger> maco: Riddell: what happened to the hot tub plans btw?
[14:26] <sheytan> eMyller kubuntu ?
[14:26] <udslogger> shadeslayer: manpage!!!!!
[14:26] <eMyller> sheytan: sure
[14:26] <shadeslayer> we are so geeky, sitting next to each other and IRC'ing
[14:26] <udslogger> oh
[14:26] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[14:26] <maco> udslogger: the security people yelled at us that the hot tub was closed
[14:26] <sheytan> eMyller i don't think you can. You need use browser
[14:26] <udslogger> I am ultimate geek
[14:26] <shadeslayer> one man page coming right up
[14:26] <udslogger> I got myself a Qt tattoooooo
[14:26] <eMyller> sheytan: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/install-ubuntuone-alpha-1-for-kde-in.html
[14:26] <shadeslayer> ^ yea
[14:26] <udslogger> maco: wtf
[14:27] <shadeslayer> eMyller: that is unmaintained
[14:27] <sheytan> yeah
[14:27] <shadeslayer> or whatever is a alias for gnome
[14:27] <maco> apparently it was 2300 and thats too late to be surrounded by water
[14:27] <udslogger> maco: we should tell mark so he can ensure we get special hot tub permission ^^
[14:27] <shadeslayer> hot tub rekonq bashing
[14:27] <eMyller> shadeslayer: it was working before Oo
[14:27] <DarkwingDuck> udslogger: +1
[14:27] <udslogger> shadeslayer: manpage!!!!
[14:28] <udslogger> eMyller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/375145
[14:30] <sheytan> eMyller http://pastebin.com/Q141eXkU
[14:30] <shadeslayer> eMyller: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/375145/comments/35
[14:30] <eMyller> :\
[14:33] <eMyller> shadeslayer: do you use the gnome client?
[14:33] <shadeslayer> i dont use U1
[14:33] <shadeslayer> as simple as that
[14:34] <eMyller> cool :)
[14:34] <shadeslayer> even if a client exsisted, i dont think ill use it :P
[14:34] <eMyller> dropbox instead?
[14:34] <eMyller> shadeslayer: any special reason?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> eMyller: just dont really need a file sharing service :P
[14:35] <shadeslayer> i can just upload to p.u.c or rapidshare or whatever
[14:35] <shadeslayer> ( u1 is a good concept, just that i have no use case for it )
[14:36] <shadeslayer> udslogger is doing some scary stuff right now
[14:36] <shadeslayer> and his desktop is all fluffy
[14:37] <udslogger> how is that scary
[14:42] <eMyller> hehe
[14:42] <eMyller> udslogger: any code to share? :)
[14:42] <eMyller> sidenote: gnome's ubuntuone client is working here and syncd is running. :)
[14:46] <udslogger> shadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Man Pages
[14:46] <udslogger> one version of how to make a manpage
[14:46] <udslogger> eMyller: its in bzr branches all over launchpad
[14:46] <udslogger> also newboon2Age wants to continue it, so you should talk to him
[14:48] <eMyller> kay
[14:49] <drdanz> Hi! is there any plan to backport kdevplatform 1.1 and kdevelop 4.1 to maverick?
[14:55] <newboon2Age> continue which udslogger?
[14:56] <newboon2Age> scarey shadeslayer?  i don't understand what you mean
[14:57] <newboon2Age> We need to complete kubuntu on U1.  incorporating kde is very important to making U1 accessible by other distros, etc.
[15:02]  * txwikinger cannot join the uds channel for the rekonq session
[15:02] <Riddell> ** rekonq session moved to 11:00
[15:02] <Riddell> i.e. one hours time
[15:03] <Riddell> drdanz: hi
[15:04] <Riddell> drdanz: it's in the beta PPA due to lack of testing time https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[15:04] <Riddell> please try it out and let me and shadeslayer know how it works
[15:04] <txwikinger> Riddell: you are moving a lot of sessions
[15:04] <txwikinger> same room?
[15:04] <Riddell> txwikinger: it won't be in a room so no audio feed I'm afraid
[15:04] <drdanz> Riddell: I will try it, thanks!
[15:04] <txwikinger> bummer
[15:05] <txwikinger> so much for remote participation.. that session I was really interested in
[15:05] <txwikinger> well.. stupid me... should have come to UDS :(
[15:11] <udslogger> Riddell: you should come to bonaire1, should be interesting
[15:12] <udslogger> ScottK: the hooks on the arm box are sort of missing important ones :P
[15:12] <udslogger> like the one running apt-get update before doing stuff
[15:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: works for me ( just kdevelop ), ill package the rest of kdevelop when i get some time
[15:18] <udslogger> shadeslayer: how is the manpage coming along?
[15:18] <shadeslayer> pretty good
[15:18] <udslogger> why is it not done? :P
[15:19] <shadeslayer> im listening to their discussion
[15:19] <udslogger> that is like 5 minutes of work :P
[15:19] <udslogger> shadeslayer: you are not, you are obviously chatting on irc :P
[15:19] <shadeslayer> udslogger: multitasking :P
[15:20] <udslogger> ScottK: also maybe we should look into cowbuilding, (de)compression of the pbulder tar is just to darn slow
[15:20] <shadeslayer> udslogger: since it does has no --help-qt or --help-kde options, can i remove it?
[15:21] <udslogger> shadeslayer: you want to remove multitasking? :O
[15:21] <udslogger> are you applying for a job at apple?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> no
[15:21] <shadeslayer> from the man page
[15:21] <shadeslayer> can i remove the --help-qt and --help-kde options
[15:21] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:21] <udslogger> well
[15:21] <udslogger> yes?
[15:21] <udslogger> obviously? :P
[15:30] <shadeslayer> udslogger: http://pastebin.ca/1974730
[15:31] <shadeslayer> udslogger: looks ok?
[15:31] <udslogger> is it pornstack?
[15:32] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:41] <CIA-96> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1190401 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/config.cpp Better handling of existing keys and appending new keys to the end of the file.
[15:41] <shadeslayer> udslogger: did you look at the man page?
[15:41] <udslogger> no
[15:41] <udslogger> it is not SFW
[15:43] <shadeslayer> wha
[15:45] <dasKreech> hi hunger
[15:45] <hunger> dasKreech: Hello
[15:45] <dasKreech> How are?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> udslogger: whaaaa
[15:47] <udslogger> is it the devil?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[15:47] <udslogger> shadeslayer: how does that manpage help exactly?
[15:47] <udslogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manpage
[15:47] <shadeslayer> it tells the user what it is
[15:48] <udslogger> Man pages (short for manual pages) are the extensive documentation
[15:48] <udslogger> *extensive*
[15:48] <shadeslayer> what WMIface is
[15:48] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:48] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:48] <shadeslayer> fffff
[15:48] <udslogger> the control file tells the user what it is
[15:48] <hunger> dasKreech: Great, how are you?
[15:48] <shadeslayer> im so royally screwed
[15:48] <udslogger> also the user will hopefully know what it is by the time he had installed it
[15:48] <udslogger> you are not royal
[15:48] <udslogger> :P
[15:48] <dasKreech> hunger: great :) following Telepathy stuff
[15:48] <dasKreech> Tubes are interesting
[15:48] <udslogger> and if you were, you surely should not tell jr ;)
[15:49] <hunger> dasKreech: I', only great since I no longer do that:-)
[15:49] <udslogger> shtylman: I got a battery warning notification again
[15:49] <udslogger> shtylman: also shadeslayer has all messed up quassel notifications
[15:50] <shadeslayer> yayy
[15:50] <shadeslayer> so rekonq is not the only broken Qt app
[15:50] <shtylman> udslogger: if only I was at UDS
[15:50] <shtylman> oh... if only
[15:50] <dasKreech> hunger: I know :) But it's still interesting :)
[15:51] <drdanz> Riddell, shadeslayer: Installation of kdevelop 4.1 from beta archive was smooth, it starts without any apparent issue, sessions, projects and opened files are correctly restored from 4.0.2, and git integration seems to work. I will let you know if I encounter any problem later. If you want me to test for something in particular just ask!
[15:51] <txwikinger> rekonq session on irc in this channel?
[15:51] <shadeslayer> nooo
[15:51] <shadeslayer> drdanz: awesome
[15:51] <Riddell> drdanz: groovy
[15:51] <Riddell> txwikinger: in 10 minutes
[15:51] <txwikinger> ok
[15:52] <dasKreech> well I'm off
[15:52] <dasKreech> *waves*
[15:54] <sheytan> hey
[15:54] <sheytan> where can i find the blueprints of the new unity from uds? :D
[15:54] <sheytan> anyone have them? :D
[15:58] <txwikinger> unity? Do we use unity in Kubuntu?
[15:58] <shtylman> no
[15:58]  * txwikinger thought unity is a Gnome shell
[16:03] <Riddell> ** http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist
[16:04] <Riddell> sheytan: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n?searchtext=unity
[16:04] <txwikinger> ok.. rekonq
[16:05] <txwikinger> Do we have a document for the wishlist?
[16:05] <Riddell> txwikinger: http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist
[16:05] <Riddell> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/rekonq/Roadmap is upstream's roadmap
[16:07] <nixternal> Riddell: you guys in a room for this one? I don't see it on the list anymore for today
[16:07] <Riddell> nixternal: sorry no room
[16:07] <Riddell> but feel free to chat here
[16:07] <nixternal> roger that
[16:07] <Riddell> I just want it released in time for natty
[16:07] <shadeslayer> oh Lex79 is here as well :)
[16:07] <Riddell> and a clear button on the URL bar
[16:07] <Riddell> and then I'm happy
[16:07] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[16:08] <txwikinger> Is there any way the extension support can be bumped up?
[16:08] <Riddell> I suspect not, it needs someone to code it and that's not easy
[16:08] <Lex79> ho
[16:08] <shadeslayer> only if we get more coders
[16:08] <Lex79> hi shadeslayer :)
[16:08] <Riddell> extensions are on http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/rekonq/Roadmap
[16:08] <shadeslayer> nikhil is already working on it
[16:09] <Riddell> but http://gitorious.org/~nikhilm/rekonq/nikhilms-mainline/commits/extensions hasn't had commits in a while
[16:09] <Riddell> txwikinger: what do you need extensions for?
[16:09] <shadeslayer> yes, because he had exams :P
[16:09] <txwikinger> a firebug kinda thing
[16:09] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: is that like the webinspector thing
[16:10] <txwikinger> Well.. webinspector is missing some stuff
[16:10] <txwikinger> like console.log message
[16:10] <shadeslayer> http://imgur.com/z4wpL
[16:10] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[16:10] <txwikinger> and messages from the server backend
[16:11] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: yes webinspector does css inspection, but not javascript debugging
[16:11] <shadeslayer> ok, i did not know that
[16:12] <nixternal> Riddell: fyi, bonaire 7 room, that topic has been cancelled. people are just chatting amongst themselves in there
[16:13] <ScottK> We aren't moving
[16:13] <Riddell> http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist
[16:13] <shtylman> put the address bar under the tabs
[16:14] <shtylman> it makes more sense
[16:14] <shadeslayer> isnt it just easy to do Ctrl+A and Del ?
[16:14] <shadeslayer> ( to clear the urlbar )
[16:15] <nixternal> make 'Yahoo Sports' work :)  can't easily get to my fantasy football page from rekonq like I can with ff or chrome
[16:15] <nixternal> stuff doesn't work there
[16:16] <shtylman> overall I am pretty happy with rekonq...  the nice thing with chrome is that it doesn't have the title bar
[16:16] <shtylman> which means more vertical space.. cause titlebars are a waste of space :)
[16:17] <nixternal> nevermind. some reason in rekonq i was logged into yahoo as 'nixternal' and not my real account
[16:17] <shadeslayer> http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist
[16:17] <Riddell> valorie_: http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist
[16:17] <nixternal> plus i hate that i can't disable it from asking me to store or not store the password when logging into sites
[16:18] <shtylman> ++nixternal
[16:18] <ScottK> nixternal: Put it in the piratepad
[16:18] <nixternal> Sorry, the all-new att.net Mail does not support your browser.  <- odd that I get this seeing as it is webkit
[16:18] <shadeslayer> nixternal: uh.. you can disable it for one site with "Never store password for this site"
[16:18] <nixternal> that disables it for one site, i don't want to ever have it ask me, like ff and chrome can do
[16:18] <nixternal> i hate the kde way of doing it, it is shit
[16:18] <DarkwingDuck> Do I dare ask about FTP suppert within? rekonq? :P
[16:19] <valorie__> ok, now paste it again?
[16:19] <shtylman> can we just ship google chrome?
[16:19] <shtylman> ScottK: :p
[16:19] <jjesse> that would be nice :)
[16:19] <ScottK> shtylman: No.
[16:20] <valorie__> chromium, you mean?
[16:20] <shtylman> yea
[16:20] <ScottK> Can't ship that either.
[16:20] <ScottK> Security team hasn't accepted it in Main.
[16:20] <DarkwingDuck> valorie__: http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist
[16:20] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/rekonq/2010-July/001521.html
[16:20] <valorie__> thank you!
[16:22] <crimsun> I've been using rekonq while at UDS; it's quite nice.
[16:22] <nixternal> it is quite fast for me
[16:22] <nixternal> the yahoo issues is a let down since i use yahoo for my fantasy football
[16:22] <DarkwingDuck> I like the speed and I have switched fairly well
[16:22] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: +1
[16:23] <shtylman> I have been using rekonq on my laptop
[16:23] <shtylman> with raster render engine it is nice
[16:23] <shtylman> don't have some of my chrome extensions
[16:23] <udslogger> it is so cold in here :(
[16:23] <shtylman> which might be a deal breaker in the end.. I dunno
[16:24] <jjesse> am i the only one who doesn't use extensions on his browser?
[16:24] <shadeslayer> everyone is now discussing Quassel
[16:24] <shadeslayer> :S
[16:24] <shadeslayer> jjesse: same here
[16:24] <shtylman> KONVERSATION!! :p
[16:24] <Riddell> nixternal: "rekonq had me signed in with my 'nixternal' account" signed into what?
[16:25] <nixternal> Riddell: fixed it on ppad
[16:25] <nixternal> had me signed in as nixternal to yahoo.com, and today was the first time i used rekonq, so i know i never logged into yahoo.com before
[16:25] <nixternal> same with gmail. so rekonq is using username/passwords from kopete. it has to be
[16:26] <txwikinger> quasseln == German word for konversation :p
[16:47] <jjesse> must be lunch break :)
[16:47] <Riddell> nixternal: the question is if that's a feature or a bug
[16:48] <Riddell> nixternal: I think it's rather that kopete and rekonq both use the normal kde services for cookies and usernames/passwords
[16:59] <nixternal> Riddell: i would guess a feature, and if so, a bad feature, at least for me
[17:08] <maco> i really wish i could unlock the screen by typing in my password *sigh*
[17:16] <udslogger> !find libnepomukutils
[17:16] <udslogger> !find libnepomukutils.so
[17:20] <rbelem_> udslogger, any clues?
[17:20] <udslogger> no
[17:20] <udslogger> rbelem_: is that our 4.5.2?
[17:21] <rbelem_> udslogger, hum...
[17:21] <rbelem_> udslogger, i just found the error :-(
[17:21] <rbelem_> my fault
[17:21] <udslogger> I know :P
[17:21] <rbelem_> ahaha :-D
[17:21] <udslogger> what else would it be :P
[17:26] <CIA-96> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1190430 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/config.cpp - Fix a bug where a newline would be added each time Config wrote to APT's config. - Change the runtime settings in the writeConfig functions, so that we can actually use our new settings before restarting.
[17:29] <udslogger> here there be phonons
[17:30] <udslogger> shadeslayer: you build it into one
[17:30] <shadeslayer> uhh
[17:30] <shadeslayer> udslogger: how?
[17:31] <CIA-96> [muon] jmthomas * 1190432 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/ (5 files in 2 dirs) FEATURE: Add an option to configure whether or not a package's recommends should be treated as dependencies<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:31] <shadeslayer> udslogger: nvm
[17:31] <udslogger> lord google ftw!
[17:35] <CIA-96> [muon] jmthomas * 1190434 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ChangeLog ChangeLog++
[17:35] <CIA-96> [muon] jmthomas * 1190435 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/TODO Update TODO
[17:36] <udslogger> ScottK: for the sake of minimal delta I am trying my fix with cdbs, if we are fortunate phonon should be fixed in like a few minutes
[17:38] <shadeslayer> udslogger: http://pastebin.ca/1974839
[17:39] <shadeslayer> sheytan: dude, did you add neon PPA?
[17:39] <sheytan> shadeslayer i even installed stuff, but when i go to /opt/... and run startkde it says that kconfig4something isn't found
[17:39] <sheytan> i think some path problems
[17:39] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:39] <sheytan> but the file is ofcourse there
[17:40] <shadeslayer> probably because we need to fix the vars
[17:40] <shadeslayer> udslogger: ^
[17:40] <sheytan> shadeslayer would be cool. i want to test KDE but i don't have time to setup slackware :D
[17:40] <sheytan> it takes the whole day :D
[17:40] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[17:40] <udslogger> I have a var in my bag
[17:40] <shadeslayer> udslogger: is that why its so jumpy?
[17:41] <udslogger> shadeslayer: what exactly changed with the manpage?
[17:41] <udslogger> it still is not a manpage
[17:41] <shadeslayer> there is now a new para :P
[17:41] <udslogger> wow
[17:41] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:41] <udslogger> still not fitting the description of a manpage
[17:41] <shadeslayer> yeah im working on it
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Project Neon FTW!
[17:42] <shadeslayer> kill them man pages!
[17:43] <ScottK> udslogger: Excellent.
[17:44] <rbelem_> udslogger, shadeslayer, what is project neon?
[17:44] <shadeslayer> :O
[17:44]  * shadeslayer faints
[17:44] <udslogger> rbelem_: pornstack
[17:44] <rbelem_> :-D
[17:44] <ScottK> rbelem_: It builds kdesvn trunk packages for the current Kubuntu release.
[17:45] <shadeslayer> stupid qtwebkit
[17:45] <CIA-96> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1190439 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/config.h Document QApt::Config
[17:45] <rbelem_> hum...
[17:45] <rbelem_> cool
[17:46] <rbelem_> shadeslayer, try qtwebkit2.1. it is much better
[17:46] <udslogger> mgraesslin: can you get me a trace that was incomplete WRT graphics driver
[17:46] <shadeslayer> rbelem_: dude... im working on qtwebkit for neon ;)
[17:46] <shadeslayer> and it isnt building
[17:46] <rbelem_> oh!
[17:47] <udslogger> *broken*
[17:47] <rbelem_> shadeslayer, join #qtwebkit and poke some guys :-)
[17:48] <shadeslayer> udslogger: quilt can push the patch in but it fails on lp : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58272128/buildlog.txt.gz
[17:48] <udslogger> what patch?
[17:48] <shadeslayer> i can apply the patch locally :S
[17:48] <shadeslayer> 0001_fix_symbols_visibility_for_webcore.diff
[17:49] <udslogger> ...you probably broke something...
[17:52] <udslogger> ScottK: root@kubuntu-efikamx00:~/phonon-4.7.0really4.4.2# dpkg-deb -c ../phonon-backend-xine_4.7.0really4.4.2-1ubuntu2_armel.deb  |wc
[17:52] <udslogger>      39     236    3276
[17:53] <udslogger> something that checks for if armel
[17:53] <udslogger> export CXXFLAGS += -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb
[17:53] <udslogger> endif
[17:53] <udslogger> all you need
[17:53] <ScottK> udslogger: Thanks.
[17:55] <rbelem_> shadeslayer, build bots for qtwebkit trunk http://build.webkit.org/waterfall?category=core
[17:55] <shadeslayer> much more difficult when you have a patch against trunk
[17:55] <rbelem_> shadeslayer, and qtwebkit2.1 http://webkit.sed.hu/buildbot/waterfall
[17:56] <shadeslayer> no no no no
[17:56] <shadeslayer> rbelem_: i have a patch, it applies against trunk locally but in the buildd it doest
[17:57] <rbelem_> shadeslayer, ok
[18:12] <sheytan> shadeslayer Quintasan I'm starting to create the PN subpage for the kubuntu page. :D
[18:43] <sheytan> any plans to make amarok ubuntu1 music store? :D
[18:44] <shadeslayer> lulz ^
[18:50] <sheytan> shadeslayer i think, that you (pn team) should write a short how to for project neon. Will be cool :D
[18:50] <shadeslayer> that is the plan
[18:52] <sheytan> shadeslayer i'm already working on implementing it on the page :D
[18:52] <sheytan> i mean from the design not code way :D
[19:02] <drdanz> Riddell, shadeslayer: kdevelop 4.1 from beta worked like a charm but crashed when I closed it.
[19:02] <drdanz> The kde crash handler button "Install Debug Symbols" doesn't work... "The packages containing debug information for the following application and libraries are missing: /usr/bin/kdevelop"
[19:02] <drdanz> This is a backtrace of the crash: http://pastebin.com/u5QKaf8r, I tried installing libkdevplatform-dbg, but I can't get any better result
[19:02] <drdanz> I cannot reproduce the crash just by opening and closing kdevelop (I will see in the next days if I get the crash again) and I also believe that it is something unrelated to packaging...
[19:05] <shadeslayer> drdanz: not so helpful :(
[19:06] <shadeslayer> drdanz: the backtrace is quite useless....
[19:07] <ScottK> Riddell and udslogger: phonon uploaded.
[19:07] <udslogger> sweetness
[19:08] <udslogger> ScottK: in order to get graphics driver dbg symbols we need to switch kubuntu-debug-installer to ddebs
[19:08] <udslogger> apparently graphics drivers do not have dbg packages in the archives
[19:08] <ScottK> udslogger: Is there a significant downside for that?
[19:09] <udslogger> a) PPAs do not have dbgsyms
[19:09] <udslogger> b) you cannot misc dbg with dbgsym - hence the user must not have dbg packages from the archive installed
[19:10] <ScottK> Ah.
[19:10] <ScottK> That latter bit I didn't know.
[19:10] <udslogger> well, if one dbgsym package depends on another that conflicts with a dbg symbol -> hell
[19:10] <ScottK> Right.
[19:10] <udslogger> especially since they will not have proper conflicts in the package relation
[19:11] <ScottK> So can we tell if the user is using PPA packages and behave differently?
[19:11] <udslogger> yes, but no, how should it behave?
[19:12] <ScottK> Install -dbgsym if there's no KDE PPA stuff and also bring in vido drivers and install -dbg if things are from a PPA.
[19:12] <ScottK> I'm curious what xorg-edgers does then.
[19:13] <udslogger> ScottK: what if once dbgsym was installed and the user since switched to a ppa?
[19:14] <ScottK> That's the point where we need to tell the user "In order to do anything useful, we need to remove a lot of packages and download a bunch of new ones, would you like to go ahead?"
[19:16] <txwikinger> maco, scottk, anybody wants to answer this question? http://askubuntu.com/questions/9785
[19:16] <udslogger> ScottK: that sounds overly expensive TBH
[19:16] <ScottK> udslogger: I agree it's not idea.
[19:16] <ScottK> idea/ideal
[19:16] <ScottK> Alternatively, can we get the X team to add dbg packages?
[19:17] <udslogger> worth asking
[19:17] <udslogger> though in the long run we need to go with dbgsym anyway
[19:17] <udslogger> though that kind of stands and falls with launchpad growing support for dbgsym in ppas
[19:18] <shadeslayer> Question: Can i ask just for Kubuntu and not order Windoze :P
[19:18] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Talk to zareason
[19:18] <shadeslayer> ScottK: already looking, but will Dell do that
[19:18] <ScottK> txwikinger: I think if you us dimap instead of imap you can.
[19:18] <shadeslayer> ( the answe is NO :P )
[19:18] <ScottK> shadeslayer: They will do only Ubuntu, but they don't support Kubuntu.
[19:19] <ScottK> For internal reasons they are only going to do one Linux desktop.
[19:19] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i asked them if i could drop Windows from my system when ordering and they said no
[19:19] <txwikinger> ScottK: You want me to relay that answer?
[19:19] <ScottK> txwikinger: Sure.  dimap is more reliable anyway.
[19:19] <txwikinger> yeah. I know.. I used dimap since last year when you told me
[19:19] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If you order a system for which Ubuntu is available, it comes with only Ubuntu.
[19:20] <freeflying> shadeslayer, then you can order an ubuntu preload dell notebook
[19:20] <txwikinger> however, the last version of kmail spins 100% cpu for me
[19:20] <ScottK> txwikinger: Tell them that too tough.
[19:20] <shadeslayer> the XPS didnt have it... so *shrug*
[19:20] <ScottK> txwikinger: In maverick?
[19:20] <ScottK> Works for me.
[19:20] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It's not for all models.
[19:20] <shadeslayer> i want dell to have it available for every model
[19:20] <shadeslayer> yeah ... see
[19:22] <shadeslayer> well
[19:23] <shadeslayer> udslogger: qtwebkit daily builds active \o/
[19:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^^
[19:24] <udslogger> back to basics
[19:24] <udslogger> shadeslayer: arent you supposed to create a flipping manpage?
[19:24] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:24] <shadeslayer> rekonq hacking first
[19:24] <shadeslayer> or
[19:25]  * udslogger feels like punching shadeslayer
[19:25] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:25] <txwikinger> udslogger: Eh.. no violence
[19:26]  * udslogger notes that the feeling just shifted to target someone else
[19:28] <valorie_> shadeslayer: http://imagebin.ca/view/b25Lnjoz.html
[19:28] <valorie_> firefox bookmark buttons
[19:29] <shadeslayer> uh
[19:29] <shadeslayer> eh
[19:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:29] <valorie2> see what I mean?
[19:29] <shadeslayer> valorie2: the one in the URL bar?
[19:29] <shadeslayer> or in the bookmarks bar?
[19:30] <valorie2> right below the URL bar
[19:30] <shadeslayer> ok got it
[19:30] <valorie2> I dragged down my gmail and identica buttons
[19:31] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:32] <valorie2> chromium can do it too
[19:32] <valorie2> same way
[19:37] <shadeslayer> udslogger: okularpart doesnt support it
[19:37] <shadeslayer> udslogger: send me the link
[19:37] <udslogger> http://www.cs.umd.edu/~samir/498/Amazon-Recommendations.pdf
[19:38] <udslogger> shadeslayer: I just checked
[19:38] <udslogger> IT DOES
[19:58] <ScottK> udslogger: They claim to have -dbg packages.  Could you join #ubuntu-x?
[20:26] <CIA-96> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (24 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[20:26] <CIA-96> koffice (1:2.2.83-0ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low * Merge with Debian git remaining
[20:26] <CIA-96> changes: - Add build-deps on librcps-dev, opengtl-dev, libqtgtl-dev,
[21:04]  * txwikinger tries to figure out if anybody assigned him any action items
[21:04] <shtylman> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuBacklog
[21:04] <shtylman> we should look at adding and maintaining this document :)
[21:05] <txwikinger> shtylman: yes indeed
[21:06]  * txwikinger wonders how ScottK gets to do any paid work
[21:06] <txwikinger> if I would read all the channels I am in, I would not do anything else
[21:09] <txwikinger> hmm.. which session should I goto now?
[21:10] <txwikinger> So what was the conclusion from last session?
[21:11] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: Riddell is going to schedule another session to complete the discussion
[21:11] <txwikinger> cool
[21:11] <txwikinger> when?
[21:11] <shadeslayer> dunno
[21:11] <shadeslayer> udslogger: where are you?
[21:11] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: probably tmmrq
[21:12] <shadeslayer> tmmrw
[21:12] <txwikinger> ok
[21:12] <txwikinger> no more Kubuntu session left today, right?
[21:13] <shadeslayer> dont think so
[21:13] <shadeslayer> im in the backports one
[21:20] <Riddell> txwikinger: when would you like me to schedule it?
[21:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: who's the guy that wanted me to get a server for KDE?
[21:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its sayakb from #kde-www
[21:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you get one?
[21:24] <Riddell> I think so :)
[21:24] <shadeslayer> ( you could proabably ask anyone in #kde-www to set it up or whatever )
[21:25] <Riddell> ScottK: I take it I need to reschedule the kolab server session?
[21:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hes busy speaking backport language in Bonaire 1
[21:26] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:39] <udslogger> shadeslayer: visiting mickey
[21:39] <udslogger> like srsly
[21:39] <shadeslayer> udslogger: whaaa
[21:39] <shadeslayer> udslogger: where?
[21:39] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:39] <udslogger> disney world
[21:40] <shadeslayer> udslogger: really?
[21:40] <shadeslayer> why did you not tell me!!!!
[21:40] <ScottK> Riddell: Shoot.  Yes.
[21:40] <ScottK> Didn't see it.
[21:40] <shadeslayer> udslogger: damn you!
[21:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go to reception quickly and ask if there are any more tickets left
[21:40] <shadeslayer> coming
[21:41] <udslogger> maco: yes you can ask me for c++ ;)
[21:41] <Riddell> ScottK: I guess I need to e-mail paul and ask for a time
[21:41] <udslogger> in fact you can also come and sit next to me and ask me in person ;)
[21:41] <maco> udslogger: too late, Riddell got it
[21:41]  * maco compils
[21:41] <udslogger> ohke ^^
[21:41] <maco> *compiles
[21:41] <maco> not quite done, but...close!
[21:41] <udslogger> so, why did I start quassel actually...
[21:43] <shtylman> ScottK: I sent the tweet to kubuntu_news asking for the logo change
[21:43] <shtylman> shall see if anything comes of it
[21:44] <ScottK> shtylman: Thanks.
[21:45] <Quintasan> oh god
[21:45] <Quintasan> it turned out sooo bad
[21:45] <rgreening> lots of turbulance in koffice
[21:47] <shtylman> rgreening: how come?
[21:47] <rgreening> some split about to happen. just reading th elists on kde now
[21:48] <shtylman> what split?
[21:48] <shtylman> more drama?
[21:52] <rgreening> yar
[21:53] <shtylman> what is it this time?
[21:53] <lontra> hi where can i get a .svg of the new kubuntu icon?
[21:53] <shtylman> who is complaining about what?
[21:53] <shtylman> lontra: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork
[21:53] <maco> Riddell: can you come to bonaire 7?
[21:53] <lontra> shtylman: thanks
[21:54] <lontra> shtylman: do you know where i can get just the icon and not the wording or is it there too somewhere?
[21:54] <shtylman> lontra: just download the whole svg and delete the wording
[21:54] <shtylman> :)
[21:55] <lontra> hmm i'll see what i can do
[21:56] <shtylman> inkscape is a good editor for that
[21:56] <shtylman> I guess we should post just the icon someplace
[21:56] <lontra> shtylman: yeah i was going to try inkscape
[21:58]  * udslogger turns into a butterfly and flies away
[22:06] <lontra> shtylman: yeah that's not working too well for me
[22:07] <shtylman> lontra: what format do you want the icon in? svg?
[22:07] <lontra> yeah
[22:07] <Riddell> maco: what's in bonaire 7?
[22:08] <lontra> shtylman: i want it to replace the kmenu icon
[22:08] <shtylman> are you running lucid?
[22:08] <lontra> maverick
[22:08] <shtylman> k
[22:08] <shtylman> there is already an icon packaged
[22:08] <lontra> oh
[22:09] <shtylman> if you click on other icons in the (change icon dialog) for the kmenu
[22:09] <shtylman> you will see the icon
[22:09] <lontra> oh you're right!
[22:09] <lontra> much easier ;)
[22:10] <lontra> thanks
[22:29] <udslogger> dantti: if the pk transactions database is busted the daemon will go down and there is no way for a user to know what is going on
[22:29] <udslogger> kpk will just say that a transaction failed or something
[22:30] <udslogger> there really should be a way to recover from that ... like if the database is busted, just remove it and recreate
[22:30] <shadeslayer> udslogger: whats KonqSettings::openWithItems() ?? ideas?
[22:31] <udslogger> it opens with items
[22:32] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[22:32] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: ping ping
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: pong
[22:32] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: ping ping ping
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: pong pong
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: pong pong pong
[22:33] <maco> udslogger: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qdomnamednodemap.html  <-- this is confusing :(
[22:33] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: yo, can you try kubuntu-debug-installer /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/dri/i810_dri.so
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> phail
[22:33]  * JontheEchidna loads up gdb
[22:33] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: for me it seems m_backend->packageForFile(file); is not returning anything
[22:33] <udslogger> not entirely sure if it is my system or qapt
[22:34] <udslogger> maco: how so?
[22:34] <udslogger> maco: where are you?
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> it should at least return 0 if no package was found
[22:34]  * udslogger is a bit bored here
[22:34] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: no
[22:34] <udslogger> 2 is return for no package found
[22:34] <udslogger> #define ERR_NO_SYMBOLS 2
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> I mean, packageForFile
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/521019/
[22:35] <udslogger> shadeslayer is copying code from supremekonqueror and does not know what it does :P
[22:35] <shadeslayer> hahha
[22:36] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:36] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: oh, well, does it not return 0?
[22:36] <shadeslayer> ( thats true :P )
[22:36] <udslogger> my gdb is a bit strange today, so I couldnt tell
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> lemme start gdb
[22:36] <shadeslayer> heh
[22:36] <shadeslayer> supreme udslogger's gdb is broken
[22:36] <shadeslayer> along with his polkit
[22:36] <udslogger> I did not say broken, it is just acting strange
[22:36] <udslogger> maybe it is having a bad day
[22:36] <shadeslayer> broken .... strange.... big difference
[22:37] <udslogger> like it also went drinking with ScottK
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> aha
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> it's crashing in package->installedFilesList()
[22:37] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: doesnt crash here :O
[22:37] <ScottK> ;-)
[22:37] <udslogger> just goes I aint not knowing that stupid package you stupid fplease
[22:37] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, it crashes here
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> thought that was what you were talking about
[22:38] <udslogger> shadeslayer just explained to me that qmax(1,0) will return 1 :P
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> Though I think I know what recent change broke that
[22:38] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:38] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: no, it returns nothing and in turn means kdi will not find a dbg package
[22:38] <shadeslayer> udslogger is getting old
[22:38] <udslogger> which sux
[22:38] <udslogger> yes
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: wouldn't /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/dri/i810_dri.so already be in a -dbg package?
[22:39] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: oh
[22:39] <shadeslayer> udslogger should train me to become next udslogger
[22:39] <udslogger> ah
[22:39] <udslogger> ehm
[22:39]  * udslogger is ashamed
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: thanks tho, you caught a crash in trunk
[22:40] <udslogger> well
[22:40] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so doesnt work either
[22:40] <ScottK> udslogger: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon/4:4.7.0really4.4.2-1ubuntu2
[22:40] <udslogger> kdi also terminates with 2
[22:40] <ScottK> Thank you.
[22:40] <udslogger> yay
[22:40]  * udslogger is supreme
[22:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: only 2 vars left to fix
[22:41] <shadeslayer> and then rekonq should have open with
[22:42] <udslogger> so he said without knowing what the code actually does
[22:42] <udslogger> ...
[22:42] <shadeslayer> udslogger: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+recipe/qtwebkit/+build/5794
[22:42]  * udslogger is going to look for maco
[22:42] <udslogger> ...
[22:42] <CIA-96> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1190494 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Only do removeLast on non-empty file lists. ;-) Fixes a crash in trunk. Thanks to udslogger.
[22:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you show https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+recipe/qtwebkit/+build/5794 to someone who works on lp ?
[22:42] <shadeslayer> something is broken
[22:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'm not sure who to talk to on LP stuff.
[22:44] <maco> udslogger: im in the big hallway next to the curacao little hal
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: I checked, and adding the qDebug function to line 7 did make it output the correct package name: http://paste.ubuntu.com/521028/
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: I can confirm the failure though
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> I'll dig around in k-d-i
[22:46] <shtylman> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuBacklog
[22:47] <shtylman> got some blueprints/piratepads with items needing adding?
[22:47] <shtylman> I will gladly add things
[22:47] <shadeslayer> bah
[22:48] <shadeslayer> ill ask stevek
[22:48] <CIA-96> [trunk] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/DebugFinder.cpp Indentation fix.
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> oh
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> ah
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: I know what the problem is
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> DebugFinder::getDebPkg only tries adding -dbg or -dbgsym to the package's source package name
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> e.g. kate's debug symbols are in kdesdk-dbg
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> but the intel driver is in libgl1-mesa-dri
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> and libgl1-mesa-dri's debug symbols are in libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> but libgl1-mesa-dri's source package is mesa
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> should be easy enough to add a fallback for binary package name + "-dbg" || + "-dbgsym
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> "
[22:55] <debfx> JontheEchidna: it should look for the .so file in /usr/lib/debug instead of guessing the debug package name
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> debfx: that would only work if the debug package was installed
[22:55] <shadeslayer> plugActionList ... what is that!!!!!!
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: http://imgur.com/BSfTg
[22:55] <udslogger> maco: QString code = node.attributes().namedItem("code").nodeValue();
[22:56] <udslogger> yippeee
[22:56] <debfx> in that case it needs to depend on apt-file :P
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> apt-file is unreliable. it didn't work for me for all of the karmic and lucid cycles
[22:59] <CIA-96> [trunk] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (debian/changelog src/DebugFinder.cpp) Some packages' debug packages follow the format binaryPackageName + "-dbg". Use this as a fallback in case the semi-standard sourcePackageName + ("-dbg" || "-dbgsym") rule hasn't been followed.
[23:01] <debfx> it works for me but reimplementing it wouldn't be hard
[23:01] <debfx> the only issue is that the Contents files are quite large
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> wow, finally works in natty
[23:02] <debfx> ok, they are very large (17 MB) ^^
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> what would be cool is if there could be a -dbg naming standard
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> maybe we could get the "-dbgsym from ddebs.ubuntu.com" thing working more reliably. Then we would know that it would be sourcePackage + -dbgsym
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: you wanna release an 11.04ubuntu1 of k-d-i or should I?
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> oops, left in a few kdebugs
[23:11] <debfx> how is ddebs.u.c unreliable?
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> k-d-i's support of it is
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> doesn't check to see if it's in the sources.list
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> so if it wasn't already enabled, it's going to be pretty much useless
[23:13] <CIA-96> [trunk] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/ (DebugFinder.cpp DebugFinder.h) (log message trimmed)
[23:13] <CIA-96> kDebug() cleanup. Also rename getDebPkg to getDbgPkg. I changed the
[23:13] <CIA-96> functionality of getDebPkg into a debug package getter during the QApt port, but
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> not any fault of the ddebs repo
[23:15] <debfx> ah, yes
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> I think that if the user wants to search for dbg symbols it should: 1) Add ddebs uri to sources.list, 2) check for updates, 3) Install dbg packages, 4) remove URI and re-update in the background
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> wouldn't be too hard, since all you have to do is plunk down a file in /etc/sources.list.d/, get the gpg key, and update the cache
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> */etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> and as it just so happens, I wrote a "write file as root" function in the QApt Worker for config writing that could be used for this
[23:22] <debfx> that wouldn't work for ppa packages though
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> true...
[23:22] <CIA-96> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1190510 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/config.cpp SVN_SILENT: Style fix.
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> It'd be neat if you could run pkgbinarymangler on ppas for dbgsym separation only


[11:34] <sirhopcount> Quick question related to datasources. The 18.3 documentation has reference on how to configure them but not on how to use them. I'm trying to set the availability zone in the content of a file. I tried using the syntax of the most docs: Availability_zone: {{ v1.availability_zone }} but for some reason the v1.availability_zone isn't interpreted. Does 18.3 support the use of datasources and if so what am I doing wrong?
[14:37] <meena> sirhopcount: "I'm trying to set the availability zone in the content of a file. I tried using the syntax of the most docs:" where you setting that
[14:38] <sirhopcount> I'm creating a file using 'write_files:` and I use that in the 'content: |' section.
[14:39] <meena> i am suddenly more confused than ever
[14:40] <meena> for what is this configuration? where are you writing that file?
[14:40] <sirhopcount> It's a cloud-config file for AWS.
[14:46] <sirhopcount> meena: This is an example of what I'm trying to do: https://gist.github.com/sirhopcount/6873745c1de6a830cb40ab0b26e402d9
[15:55] <rharper> sirhopcount: you need tag the file with the jinja template key,  ## template: jinja
[15:55] <rharper> that needs to be the very first line in your cloud-config file
[15:55] <rharper> this tells cloud-init to run your config through the template renderer which expands the {{ }} keys
[15:56] <rharper> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/instancedata.html   *search for jinja*
[16:04] <sirhopcount> rharper: thanks!
[16:06] <rharper> sirhopcount: yw
[16:17] <sirhopcount> rharper: I might be mistaken but that feature doesn't seem available in 18.3
[16:26] <rharper> sirhopcount: yes, 18.3 was tagged in June 2018, feature landed in Sept 2018, 18.4 tagged Oct 2, 2018;
[16:26] <rharper> sirhopcount: so you'll need 18.4 or newer
[16:26] <sirhopcount> thats to bad, Debian Buster ships with 18.3 and I don't think there is an easy way for me to upgrade.
[16:27] <sirhopcount> thanks for the help anyway :)
[16:27] <rharper> sirhopcount: sure;  is there a newer release in downstream in testing ? or unstable ?
[16:28] <sirhopcount> Bullseye seems to have 19.4-2
[16:31] <sirhopcount> but the buster backports repo doesn't seem to contain it.
[16:35] <sirhopcount> Debian might but be considered stable but the facts they deploy with "old" software versions has more then once bitten me. I prefer Ubuntu over Debian but unfortunately its not up to me in this case.
[16:39] <rharper> sirhopcount: I see, bummer
[16:42] <sirhopcount> mm seems the debian apt repo does contain a cloud-init_19.4-2_all.deb which seems to install just fine. Going to test with that.
[19:20] <blackboxsw> rharper: yaml on kernel commandline is not as easy as we thought as we are parsing that cmdline spliting on spaces. valid yaml for {'config': 'disabled'} is actually "config: disabled" with a space otherwise yaml.load interprets "config:disabled" as a single concatonated key which gets loaded as {"config:disabled" : None}
[19:20] <rharper> blackboxsw: yes, the space is required, is the parsing code eating the space ?
[19:21] <rharper> I see the tok is done with split()
[19:21] <blackboxsw> rharper:  no, yaml.load needs that space. and if we present a kernel cmdline with that space, then our handling in tok split breaks
[19:22] <rharper> blackboxsw: ok, then maybe we want to regex for the disabled only
[19:22] <blackboxsw> but I'm thinking generally about kernel cmdline parsing if allowing spaced in cmdline values could break other things
[19:22] <blackboxsw> *spaces
[19:22] <blackboxsw> rharper: I think possibly, but seeing if we can be more flexible than that
[19:23] <rharper> we also have cc this is cloud config parsed end_cc;
[19:24] <rharper> blackboxsw: see util.read_cc_from_cmdline
[19:25] <rharper> so, the proper cmdline would be cc: network-config: {config: disabled} end_cc
[19:25] <blackboxsw> rharper: yeah that makes more sense
[19:26] <blackboxsw> good suggestion
[19:26] <rharper> >>> from cloudinit import safeyaml
[19:26] <rharper> >>> safeyaml.load(util.read_cc_from_cmdline("foobar cc: network-config: {config: disabled} end_cc wark"))
[19:26] <rharper> {'network-config': {'config': 'disabled'}}
[19:27] <blackboxsw> and good  fix suggestion :)
[19:28] <rharper> and then lastly, we need to decide, if we support the explicit:  network-config={config: disabled}
[19:28] <rharper> I think doc-wise, we should check that disable_string is in the cmdline
[19:29] <rharper> if 'network-config={config: disabled}' in cmdline:  then return {'network-config': {'config': 'disabled'}}
[19:29] <blackboxsw> rharper: if we are supporting a one-off, non-yaml string. why not just network-config=disabled
[19:29] <rharper> I think that closes the bug
[19:29] <rharper> because we documented it the other way ?
[19:29] <rharper> I'm open to suggestion  here
[19:30] <rharper> clearly no one is using it
[19:30] <rharper> as it doesn;'t work
[19:30] <rharper> so, we could update the docs with all methods that work now (without any changes) for example the cc: .... end_cc
[19:31] <blackboxsw> hrm I'm on the fence. I like simple ways to globally disable something, but writing an example cc: end_cc may advertise that more flexible functionality
[19:32] <blackboxsw> which folks could better leverage for bigger c-config changes
[19:32] <rharper> since the current doc is broken as it is;  do we support that documented string ?
[19:33] <rharper> I'm find with saying , no; that's broken;  instead use:  network-config=disabled;  and support that;
[19:33] <rharper> separately we can file a bug on documenting use of cc: / end_cc;  and figure out if cloudinit/net/cmdline.py should be employing read_cc_from_cmdline() (try this first, followed up by search for network-config) etc
[19:34] <rharper> I think the non-encoded yaml only works if it's wrapped in cc: end_cc
[19:34] <rharper> as you mention, the spaces are needed
[19:35] <blackboxsw> I not even sure we can/should be supporting the documented string  "network-config={config: disabled}" with the space because that type of kernel commandline I don't think conforms to typical k=v seen on kernel commandlines. So other cmdline parsing tools may break as a result if cloud-init *did* support that.
[19:36] <blackboxsw> but I'm good with documenting a simple network-config=disabled  or more complex cc... end_cc options too
[19:36] <rharper> blackboxsw: yeah; I think you're right there as well
[19:36] <rharper> yes
[19:36] <blackboxsw> rharper: I just thought about the cc end_cc  approach we use too, might also break those same cmdline parsing tools that are out there anyway
[19:37] <rharper> so to fix the bug, 1) update docs to metion network-config=disabled 2) add this to the cmdline.py
[19:37] <blackboxsw> but, that's a separate issue
[19:37] <rharper> blackboxsw: well, they'll ignore it
[19:37] <blackboxsw> +1 on 1 and 2
[19:37] <rharper> cool
[19:37] <rharper> and we can follow up with documenting cc/end_cc separately
[19:37] <rharper> and the refactor around b64/gzip stuff;  low-hanging fruit cleanup
[19:37] <blackboxsw> 3) would you like cc/end_cc docuemented option for disable in the rtd docs too?
[19:38] <blackboxsw> +1 on your statements up until now
[19:39] <blackboxsw> I'm good with document 3 too. and we can followup later if this is a breaking behavior for others in cloud-init that we need to address (but as you said, it probably isn't something that breaks cmdline parsing folks as they'll ignore things they don't care about)
[19:39] <rharper> I dunno about (3);  I suppose we should test whether that works as well (it should, I know I've tested a cc: some cloud config here end_cc for ssh_import_id
[19:40] <rharper> we can hold off on (3) I think, as you mentioned, then folks are wondering in general about cc: end_cc; and I'd rather document that fully else where and then we could add a disable network cc:end_cc and refer to the cc:end_cc docs for more details
[19:41] <blackboxsw> yeah and for 3 we do that for https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/doc/examples/kernel-cmdline.txt
[19:41] <blackboxsw> yeah something separate
[19:41] <blackboxsw> ok
[19:41] <blackboxsw> got it will post this PR within the hour
[19:44] <rharper> cool
[20:04] <blackboxsw> rharper: question at this point is if we will ultimately support cc ... end_cc for network-config on the commandline. As it is currently, merged config dict looks like it might ignore the network-config=base64-stuff and only rely on util.read_cc_from_cmdline. so we may have a gap there too in terms of merged network config.
[20:05] <blackboxsw> I think there is a separate bug here that would be helpful to address when we address 3) adding cc ... end_cc documented option for network-config cmdline setup
[20:05] <rharper> blackboxsw: I suspect because if cc/endcc being under-advertised that we've got merge gaps; so let's file a bug for that and we can fix that separately
[20:05] <blackboxsw> even more reason to address separately
[20:05] <rharper> ack
[20:05] <blackboxsw> yeah
[20:13] <blackboxsw> rharper: so, do we drop the documented yaml support https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/network-config.html#default-behavior ?
[20:15] <rharper> it's supported but only if it's b64 encoded
[20:15] <rharper> it was the line about, you can disable this with network-config={config: disabled} on kernel cmdline;  that gets moved to network-config=disabled, and we need to *bold*/*note* the yaml stablement that it requires b64 encodingin
[20:15] <rharper> blackboxsw: ^
[20:17] <blackboxsw> rharper: I was wondering about the text
[20:17] <blackboxsw> ip= or network-config=<YAML config string>
[20:17] <blackboxsw> rharper: I was wondering about the text     ip= or network-config=<YAML config string>
[20:17] <blackboxsw> we can't really support YAML config string currently
[20:18] <rharper> s/YAML config string/Base64 encoded YAML config string
[20:18] <blackboxsw> roger
[20:18] <blackboxsw> thanks
[20:48] <blackboxsw> rharper: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/232
[20:48] <rharper> thanks
[21:11] <Goneri> @blackboxsw, the NetBSD PR is ready for review https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/62 :-)
[21:13] <blackboxsw> rharper: thoughts on this for focal? https://trello.com/c/wepeWcKf/1109-ec2-support-secondary-ip-addressses-on-eth0
[21:13] <blackboxsw> Goneri: +1. will spend get you an update today.
[21:14] <Goneri> :-) awesome, I will rebase the OpenBSD branch this weekend if this one get merged this week
[21:17] <rharper> blackboxsw: +1, we need FFE and I left review on it; haven't looked again, but generally wondered about whether we also need the route-metric and dhcp*-override like we have on azure
[21:18] <blackboxsw> ok rharper so I have 2 FFEs: instance-data to include merged_cfg and and ec2 secondary ip address support
[21:19] <rharper> yeah, I think so
[21:21] <blackboxsw> ok I fixed ci for https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/230 I found an httpretty.last_request() that *is* available on xenial httpretty v 0.9.6
[21:22] <blackboxsw> rharper: so that first bug fix for ec2 redact should be good to go
[21:22] <rharper> blackboxsw: let me re-review
[21:22] <rharper> I had one nit on docstring
[21:22] <blackboxsw> and I'm teasing out the bug-fix from feature-request for instance-data top-level keys @ https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/214
[21:22] <ahosmanMSFT> blackboxsw:
[21:22] <blackboxsw> will push a separate BR for the bugfix
[21:23] <blackboxsw> hi ahosmanMSFT
[21:23] <ahosmanMSFT> Hey blackboxsw what would be the best way to keep our repo of cloudinit up to date with upstream and have the debian salsa packages included, without having to do it manually?
[21:26] <blackboxsw> ahosmanMSFT: not sure I understand the question, you mean how can you get latest cloud-init in a debian salsa based image?
[21:28] <blackboxsw> or are you looking for how best to install salsa debs on an ubuntu system?
[21:28] <ahosmanMSFT> something like this https://salsa.debian.org/cloud-team/cloud-init
[21:31] <ahosmanMSFT> blackboxsw: We have a branch of cloud-init with some changes, I was wondering what the best way to get debian salsa packages on there and also keep everything up to date
[21:31] <ahosmanMSFT> currently we have a manual approach
[21:32] <blackboxsw> ahosmanMSFT: I think that project is owned by debian devs to get cloud-init updated/maintained in debian proper. I see the committers are names that don't participate in cloud-init upstream as far as I can tell
[21:33] <blackboxsw> you might be able to touch base with Noah or Thomas listed as debian salsa maintainers there https://salsa.debian.org/cloud-team/cloud-init/-/commits/master/
[21:33] <blackboxsw> ahosmanMSFT: since we don't control when specific distributions pick up cloud-init upstream changes, each distro differs (besides Ubuntu which we *do* control)
[21:34] <ahosmanMSFT> blackboxsw: thanks that helps, I'll try getting in contact with them
[21:35] <blackboxsw> ahosmanMSFT: you might be able to trigger your own deb package builds via using cloud-init's packages/bddeb in our source tree to roll your own cloud-init upstream deb if that helps too
[21:35] <ahosmanMSFT> That might be better, or we would have to rely on debian releases to update our cloud-init
[21:36] <blackboxsw> ahosmanMSFT: you could also try using cloud-init's ./tools/run-container --package  debian/10 #  to build a deb from source on a debian container
[21:37] <rharper> blackboxsw: one challenge is not using Debian's debian/ packaging dir
[21:37] <blackboxsw> that tool should create a binary deb for you from whatever your latest commit is in your local directory
[21:37] <rharper> what you really want is git checkout cloud-init.git; git merge /path/to/debian/cloud-init/git/branch/with/debian-dir-changes
[21:37] <rharper> which is like our daily-ppa for our release branches
[21:38] <rharper> that'd be cloud-init-daily-debian
[21:38] <rharper> which is what I think would be desired
[21:40] <ahosmanMSFT> Would that also have the debian salsa packages or is it jsut a cloud-init met to work on debian
[21:43] <ahosmanMSFT> I think I see what you mean rharper, If we merge latest cloudinit and debian upstream changes we can get the best of both
[21:43] <ahosmanMSFT> That might just work
[21:43] <blackboxsw> thanks rharper fixed docstr https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/230
[21:43] <rharper> blackboxsw: ok
[21:43] <blackboxsw> also closed 221 as that was my first cut of 230 that we didn't merge last week
[21:45] <rharper> blackboxsw: approved, I'll leave to use to wait on CI and squash/merge
[21:49] <blackboxsw> thanks
[21:50] <blackboxsw> rharper: I forgot what did you suggest for top-level instance-data key for merged config instead of 'ci_cfg'
[21:51] <rharper> we discused merged_cfg or merged_config
[21:51] <rharper> something indicating it was combined
[21:51] <blackboxsw> ok will go with merged_cfg
[21:51]  * blackboxsw saving those keystrokes one step at a time


[23:06] <spectacular> well, Eickmeyer, you'll never guess... but today, I've lost my sound again. just out of the blue. has been working perfectly since we last talked.
[23:07] <Eickmeyer> Oh noooo
[23:08] <spectacular> i'm going to see about just exchanging the computer tomorrow, warrantee should still be good, hopefully they won't give me a hard time. just a pain in the neck to have to transfer all my files and reinstall everything
[23:08] <spectacular> but since it's gotta be a hardware thing I can't just let this go
[23:08] <spectacular> so weird
[23:09] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. It definitely smells like a hardware problem. I'm so sorry to hear this. Erratic behavior almost always points to hardware.
[23:11] <spectacular> my only other guess as to what may have sparked the problem last time and this time, is -- the last time, I noticed the error some time after the computer died suddenly because I was using it on battery power without a power cable nearby, and it didn't warn me it was about to loose power.  So it just died.  And this time, perhaps a similar thing happened - a game (Wingspan, on Steam) caused the computer to freeze
[23:11] <spectacular> (very weird that that happened btw) and the only way to get out of it was a hard shutdown pressing and holding the power.  Later, I'm without sound again.  Is there some process, related to audio, that the computer needs to properly shut down and reset, and if it dies unexpectedly it has a hard time getting audio back? I can't think of what that may be. I've since shut down and restarted quite a number of times trying
[23:11] <spectacular> to get it back but with no success
[23:13] <Eickmeyer> No, there's nothing special about audio that it needs to be shut-down by a process. I've done hard shutdowns multiple times on different audio hardware using the same software and there's no issues. Your hardware has got something wrong, likely a cold solder connection on the mainboard somewhere.
[23:13] <spectacular> thanks
[23:15] <Eickmeyer> spectacular: Quite welcome, and sorry about the bad news.
[23:16] <Eickmeyer> cjdg_: Your other connection is still having difficulty.


[05:20] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[05:20] <superfly> morning Kilos
[05:20] <Kilos> thank you all for the votes
[06:37] <Kilos> morning jrgns henkj
[06:37] <henkj> morning Kilos
[06:39] <Kilos> hi Trix[a]r_za
[06:44] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[06:45] <Trixar_za> Dammit, don't lag on me
[06:45] <Trixar_za> I'm downloading something
[06:45] <Trixar_za> lol
[06:46] <Trixar_za> The wonders of ScummVM and the games it can run on Linux
[06:46] <Trixar_za> The Dig here I come
[06:46] <jrgns> morning Kilos, all
[06:49] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[06:51] <inetpro_> good morning
[06:52] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[06:58] <superfly> morning jrgns, Trixar_za, inetpro and maiatoday
[06:59] <Trixar_za> Morning superfly
[07:05] <inetpro> Kilos: did she make it?
[07:08] <Kilos> yeah lotsa peeps voted while we were sleeping so she ended in third place inetpro
[07:08] <inetpro> you think it was still in time?
[07:08] <Kilos> now she at doc for blood test results
[07:09] <Kilos> what?
[07:09] <Kilos> she sukkeling to swallow
[07:09] <Kilos> yo Vince-0
[07:10] <Kilos> i think it closed at our 4am inetpro
[07:10] <Vince-0> Hi
[07:16] <Trixar_za> This game is so good
[07:16] <Trixar_za> Hey Squirm
[07:16] <inetpro> Maaz: when is mar 24 23:00 est in pretoria
[07:16] <Maaz> inetpro: 2013-03-24 23:00:00 EDT is 2013-03-25 05:00:00 SAST
[07:16] <Trixar_za> Guess who wrote the dialog for this
[07:17] <Trixar_za> It's pretty Enderific :P
[07:17] <Kilos> you understand that inetpro ?
[07:17] <inetpro> Kilos: what?
[07:18] <Kilos> the time thing inetpro
[07:18] <inetpro> very clear
[07:18] <Kilos> ai!
[07:19] <inetpro> EDT = Eastern Daylight Time
[07:19] <Kilos> oh is edt and est same thing
[07:19] <inetpro> well it's New York, I think
[07:20] <Kilos> they west of us and gmt
[07:20] <Kilos> how do they get to be east
[07:20] <inetpro> Kilos: who is they?
[07:20] <Kilos> states
[07:21] <Kilos> not the freestates either
[07:21] <Kilos> yankeeland
[07:22] <inetpro> Kilos: when you're in the states Soth Africa and the rest of the world do not exist
[07:22] <Kilos> lol
[07:22] <Kilos> thats why the crashkid is so quiet
[07:24] <Symmetria> *sigh*
[07:24] <Symmetria> African internet is a *MESS* right now
[07:25] <Kilos> yeah
[07:25] <Kilos> Symmetria, you back here?
[07:25] <Kilos> chat to Fanie please
[07:25] <Symmetria> kinda, trying to balance traffic via whatever goddamn paths I can find and squeeze capacity outta every path possible
[07:25] <Symmetria> but things are pretty flatlined :(
[07:26] <Symmetria> Kilos I can try and talk to him, dunno how much luck we're gonna have during this mess though
[07:26] <Symmetria> the internet in africa is kinda in crisis mode at hte moment ;p I dont think very many people realize just how large this failure is
[07:27] <Symmetria> its *NOT* just seacom
[07:27] <Kilos> just feedback will set mind at rest
[07:27] <Kilos> and to know he hasnt decided not to host for us
[07:27] <Symmetria> seacom = down
[07:27] <Symmetria> eassy = down
[07:27] <Symmetria> imewe = down
[07:27] <Symmetria> smw3 = down
[07:27] <Symmetria> eig = down
[07:27] <Symmetria> te-north = down
[07:27] <Symmetria> basically, the perfect storm :(
[07:27] <inetpro> Symmetria: not just seacom!? EISH!!
[07:27] <inetpro> who else?
[07:28] <Kilos> ouch
[07:28] <inetpro> ahh
[07:28] <inetpro> wow!
[07:28] <Kilos> whats going on?
[07:28] <Symmetria> so, seacom is down because of te-north/eig being down
[07:28] <Symmetria> normally, they would restore on something else
[07:29] <Symmetria> except, the restore path is probably smw4
[07:29] <Symmetria> but with imewe and smw3 being down, and going down first, those companies on those cables have restored on smw4, and there is no capacity
[07:33] <superfly> Symmetria: and SA ISPs don't have much WACS capacity allocated to them?
[07:35] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[07:35] <Symmetria> superfly some do, but what a lot of companies did was split their traffic 3 ways
[07:35] <Symmetria> eassy, seacom and wacs
[07:35] <Symmetria> catering for a single cable outage
[07:35] <Symmetria> *NO ONE* caters for 2 similtaneous breaks
[07:36] <Kilos> hoe did they all break?
[07:36] <Symmetria> there is another path out, but its not easy to bring up capacity on it, and thats going .za -> .ke on eassy or seacom, and then using teams -> .ua and then onward from there
[07:36] <Symmetria> except, .ua -> .uk is largely on smw4 and thats pretty full right now because of other restoration
[07:37] <Symmetria> kilos, heh, eig and te-north broke basically at the diverge point where they divert (they come off the coast together, for about 19 kilometers, then split to different routes, it broke about 18.5 kilometers off the coast)
[07:37] <Symmetria> imewe went down a few weeks ago, 140 kilometers south of mumbai, in a rather hard to repair location, ETR on that is the 22nd of April
[07:37] <Symmetria> smw3 Im not sure of all the details on, but there is no ETR on that, its also been down for a bit
[07:37] <Symmetria> and when imewe and smw3 went down, all the people on those restored to smw4
[07:38] <Symmetria> then eig/te-north went down and there was nothing left to restore on
[07:38] <Vince-0> meh, and I thought switching from MWeb- SEACOM to OpenWEB - SAT3/Seacom would help
[07:40] <magespawn> howdy all
[07:40] <magespawn> looks like it is stable enough for irc though
[07:41] <Kilos> yeah irc and mxit fine
[07:41] <Vince-0> and Diablo3
[07:42] <magespawn> i would love to know which traffic they are putting at the top of the list
[07:43] <Kilos> so who bust the cables? fishermen or the atlantians
[07:43] <superfly> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ssong/8185423437/
[07:43] <Symmetria> magespawn heh, I dont think its really which traffic
[07:44] <Symmetria> I think its more a case of, restore waves as they get capacity, wave by wave
[07:44] <Symmetria> in whatever order they come back up
[07:45] <magespawn> so they would not restict youtube in favour of email for example?
[07:48] <magespawn> anybody know the download mirrior here is sa for kubuntu?
[07:48] <magespawn> google is not working too well
[07:48] <Symmetria> magespawn well, it depends, Im pretty sure mweb has torrents on lockdown
[07:49] <Symmetria> for my clients, a torrent lockdown is a move of absolute last resort, I dont wanna block or shape anything if I dont really have to
[07:49] <Kilos> Debbie says thank alot to all that voted for tara
[07:49] <Kilos>  31st of March they decide on the first second and third winners.
[07:56] <magespawn> that cool Kilos
[07:59] <Kilos> i hope they dont start the voting again
[07:59] <Kilos> and make their own decisions
[08:03] <inetpro> Symmetria, superfly: I don't see smw3 and te-north on that diagram
[08:05] <Symmetria> you won't, the te-north and smw3 cables are in the med
[08:05] <Symmetria> and te-north = seacom in the med
[08:07] <Symmetria> where you see seacom going north of egypt
[08:07] <Symmetria> that diagram isn't totally geographically correct though
[08:07] <magespawn> bbl
[08:07] <Symmetria> because seacom doesnt actually go through the suez canal
[08:07] <Symmetria> it switches to terrestrial
[08:07] <Symmetria> then through egypt and leaves egypt via 2 potential points
[08:08] <Symmetria> one in a place called abutolat (sp?) and one in alexandria
[08:15] <inetpro> Symmetria: do you know what caused the downtime?
[08:15] <Symmetria> inetpro, suspected anchor drag took out te-north and eig
[08:15] <Symmetria> imewe, Im not sure, its been down a while
[08:16] <inetpro> eish! How can that sort of thing be prevented in future?
[08:16] <Symmetria> smw3 was also anchor
[08:16] <inetpro> and is there a way to determine what ship caused it?
[08:17] <Kilos> they will have to supply co-ordinates and make ships not anchor within a certain distance
[08:17] <inetpro> must be some powerful propellers driving those ships
[08:19] <Kilos> like prohibit anchoring withing ten miles or so
[08:20] <inetpro> Symmetria: thanks for the heads up and the info about the cables, let's hope steve song will be able to update his diagrams
[08:24] <zeref>  hi guys, so, need some help.
[08:26] <zeref> I've got a folder to which users upload to, located in say /srv/uploads. / is at 100% full but /var is on another partition. I've created a folder in /var/uploads so that users can upload there.
[08:26] <zeref> i'
[08:27] <zeref> i'm guessing i'll need to use symbolic links so that the uploads go to /var/uploads instead of /srv/uplods
[08:28] <zeref> so will the link be ln -s /srv/uplaods/ /var/uploads/
[08:31] <inetpro> zeref: the other way around
[08:31] <inetpro> and make sure about the spelling :-)
[08:31] <inetpro> ln -s /var/uploads/ /srv/uploads/
[08:32] <zeref> and then can i delete the directory /srv/uploads?
[08:32] <inetpro> zeref: no
[08:33] <inetpro> zeref: rename the folder first so it doesn't exist when you create the softlink
[08:33] <inetpro> then copy the data across to the new partition
[08:33] <inetpro> and when everything is there, remove it from the old
[08:34] <zeref> ok, so i must rename /srv/uploads to say backup. then i will have /srv/backup then i create a softlink called uploads?
[08:35] <zeref> i've rsync'd the data to /var/uploads already
[08:35] <inetpro> that makes sense
[08:36] <zeref> ok, lemme try on my virtual server before i try on the production.
[08:36] <zeref> thanks inetpro
[08:37] <inetpro> zeref: you're welcome
[08:39] <zeref> inetpro:
[08:41] <zeref> nvm
[08:55] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[09:02] <Symmetria> heh
[09:02] <Symmetria> not looking forward to mondays work
[09:02] <Symmetria> I gotta stick to 75kg routers into a rack
[09:08] <Kilos> ai!
[09:09] <Kilos> 12.04 has encountered an internal error, you need to reboot the pc
[09:09] <Kilos> then it hangs
[09:09] <charl> hi Kilos
[09:09] <Kilos> inetpro, can i worry you please
[09:09] <Kilos> hi charl
[09:09] <charl> i used to get a lotof those too, especially while playing videos with vlc or with flash
[09:10] <charl> i thought it might have been related to my graphics card but i haven't had them the last while
[09:10] <charl> some kernel upgrade must have fixed the problem
[09:10] <Kilos> i need to remove the boot splash screen so i just see text because cant read what to do
[09:10] <charl> yeah i hate those fancy splash screens, give me text
[09:10] <charl> but i'm a non-typical user :)
[09:11] <Kilos> mine has gone vertical black and white stripes since i changed to a pci graphics card, so dunno what it be saying
[09:11] <Kilos> cant read black and white stripes
[09:13] <charl> i just edited /etc/default/grub and removed quiet splash, then ran update-grub2
[09:14] <Kilos> when it boots and runs fsck i think it gets to the stage where you must choose F for fix etc but i can read there
[09:14] <Kilos> sigh
[09:14] <charl> seems like update-grub2 and update-grub is the same thing now
[09:15] <Kilos> hi Jabberwocky_
[09:16] <Kilos> wow i see strange things here
[09:16] <Kilos> miles@8ta-150-73-187:~$
[09:16] <Kilos> supposed to be miles@P4
[09:16] <Jabberwocky_> good morning Kilos, nice to see you
[09:17] <Kilos> you too Jabberwocky_
[09:17] <Kilos> wb
[09:17] <Symmetria> man, I think end of the year, Im gonna take a years holiday
[09:17] <Symmetria> or something
[09:19] <Kilos> haha then youll need a holiday to recover from the holiday
[09:19] <Kilos> hey magespawn sorry i tried to type but niks happened
[09:23] <inetpro> Kilos: worry me why, no
[09:23] <Kilos> that stupid black and white striped boot splash screen
[09:23] <Kilos> just wanna see text
[09:23] <Kilos> oh no
[09:23] <inetpro> Kilos: don't ask to ask, just ask
[09:24] <inetpro> :-)
[09:24] <Kilos> ai!
[09:24] <inetpro> hmm...
[09:24] <Kilos> i gotta first get to my proper prompt
[09:24] <Kilos> cant gedit from this dom one
[09:25] <inetpro> what I remember from my exercise is that I used to put something in the grub to bypass
[09:25] <inetpro> hang on...
[09:25] <Kilos> ok ty
[09:27] <inetpro> something about nomodeset
[09:28] <inetpro> Kilos: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[09:29] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[09:29] <nlsthzn> nomodeset always good to add if struggling to get into desktoo
[09:29] <nlsthzn> *desktop
[09:29] <nlsthzn> morning all also
[09:29] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[09:30] <magespawn> o/ nlsthzn
[09:30] <magespawn> np Kilos
[09:31] <nlsthzn> so how is ZA on this monday
[09:31] <Kilos> oh magespawn remember i had auto rebooting probs with two 1g ram cards
[09:31] <Kilos> ok ty nlsthzn
[09:32] <Kilos> i think ive found the prob magespawn , it started doing it with 1x1g and 1x512m
[09:33] <magespawn> so what is the problem? damaged memory?
[09:33] <Kilos> i found where the main power goes into m/b if i pressed each wire further in on its own the prob went away so got 2 x 1g rams here again
[09:33] <Kilos> faulty plug methinks
[09:33] <magespawn> so faulty power connection on the mb
[09:34] <Kilos> maybe plastic covering not removed properly when connecting the plug
[09:34] <Kilos> will strip plug and solder them when i get to it
[09:36] <magespawn> Kilos: maybe you could start a pc repair shop
[09:36] <Kilos> no man it takes too long to find the probs. the peeps will moan
[09:36] <nlsthzn> :)
[09:36] <Kilos> that was a bad one though
[09:36] <nlsthzn> the longer it takes to fix the more you charge ;)
[09:37] <Kilos> was a hidden problem
[09:37] <Kilos> who would suspect the power plug
[09:37] <Kilos> especially when it worked
[09:40] <magespawn> thats the thing, i have also found some repair places simple say its broken get a new one
[09:41] <Kilos> yeah i could have a good time collection those that get replaced. must be lotsa good stuff lying around with simple but hard to find probs
[09:44] <Kilos> wbb
[10:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> g'day :)
[10:42] <magespawn> hey ThatGraemeGuy
[11:38] <magespawn> bbl
[12:13] <theblazehen> hi all
[12:59] <charl> hi theblazehen
[13:32] <Symmetria> ugh wow tenet is flatlined
[13:42] <magespawn> superfly ping
[13:44] <theblazehen> hi ChanServ
[13:44] <theblazehen> hi charl
[13:45] <magespawn> hey theblazehen
[13:45] <magespawn> no traffic Symmetria?
[13:53] <Symmetria> heh magespawn heh, saturated
[13:53] <Symmetria> entirely
[13:53] <magespawn> reasons?
[13:56] <Symmetria> heh because they are running on wacs and its only 4.8 gig in capacity
[13:58] <inetpro> Symmetria: vs how many on seacom?
[14:03] <Symmetria> 10
[14:09] <Symmetria> heh everything is kinda screwed and will be for a while :(
[14:09] <magespawn> how much is this going to affect people who do not directly use seacom?
[14:10] <Symmetria> magespawn heh, I would imagine a fair bit, because its not just seacom thats down
[14:10] <Symmetria> most isps cater for outage on one cable
[14:10] <Symmetria> very few cater for outage on multiple cables
[14:11] <Symmetria> eassy is down as well
[14:11] <Symmetria> and restoration capacity is extremely tight right now because the normal restoration cables are largely down as well (smw3/imewe are both down)
[14:11] <Symmetria> meaning that if your isp aint using wacs/sat-3 and doesnt have a lot of capacity there, you're gonna see degradation
[14:12] <magespawn> hectic, so it probable would not help that much to get a temporary account with another isp
[14:12] <magespawn> this would not affect something like yahclick?
[14:21] <Symmetria> heh if its international it would
[14:28] <Vince-0> MWeb uncapped ADSL is practically unusable on the weekend.
[14:29] <Vince-0> FNB (via IS?) works way better. I switched to OpenWeb cos at least they have Sat3/Seacom as opposed to MWeb with just Seacom
[14:30] <Vince-0> MyBB article has MWeb stating their fail-over is only 45% of the seacom bandwith
[14:30] <Vince-0> of their* Seacom bandwidth
[14:32] <magespawn> some of my stuff is okay certain sites will just not load and ubuntu updates take forever
[14:32] <magespawn> i just soldered a power plug connector back onto a laptop motherboard
[14:35] <Symmetria> mweb doesnt just have seacom
[14:35] <Symmetria> mweb has eassy seacom and wacs
[14:35] <Symmetria> except, eassy and seacom both died
[14:36] <magespawn> ah well just have to live with it for now
[14:48] <Vince-0> MyBB article just released, says MWeb's at 90% capacity
[14:48] <Vince-0> still, switching to OpenWeb silver
[14:49] <Vince-0> although those chops havn't debited my account yet and no connection details
[15:11] <Symmetria> crap
[15:11] <Symmetria> now what broke
[15:12] <Symmetria> I just watched 400meg of capacity outta .sg disappear
[15:14] <magespawn> somebody tripped over another cable
[15:15] <Symmetria> its looking like that
[15:16] <Symmetria> prdi's showing on circuits
[15:39] <magespawn> i must say i am enjoying kubuntu so far
[15:51] <magespawn> okay later all, home time
[16:13] <inetpro> Kilos: you didn't warn me!?
[16:13] <inetpro> Kilos: wb anyway
[16:14]  * inetpro just got home in time before the mighty clouds started opening up
[16:14] <inetpro> starting to rain now
[16:41] <superfly> magespawn: pong
[17:41] <Kilos> power returns. evening all
[17:42] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:43] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[17:43] <Cantide> also, Tara's votes look good today :)
[17:43] <Kilos> hi guys
[17:44] <Kilos> yeah she made third so results of winner on the 31st i think
[17:44] <Kilos> ty for the votes all of you
[17:44] <Cantide> i hope the votes don't change further :p
[17:49] <Kilos> closed at 5am this morning our time
[17:50] <Kilos> that est time member
[17:50] <Kilos> 9pm est
[17:50] <Kilos> the pro had to find time for me
[17:50] <Kilos> superfly: do you have the show hidden shortcut in head?
[17:51] <Kilos> ctrl+?
[17:51] <superfly> Kilos: Alt+.
[17:51] <Kilos> oh ya ty superfly
[17:51] <Kilos> no more unity anywhere
[17:52] <Cantide> Kilos, great :) so then she's through :)
[17:52] <Kilos> yip Cantide
[17:52] <Kilos> they happy. were getting stressed but lotsa votes came in late
[17:53] <Kilos> she hopped from 6th to third
[17:53] <inetpro> sounds like Cantide had something to do with the voting
[17:53] <Cantide> i may have asked a few people >_>
[17:53] <Kilos> thank you anyone that was involved
[17:53] <Cantide> *cough* and suggested dubious voting methods *cough*
[17:53] <Cantide> but i can't confirm that those people did anything >_>
[17:54] <Kilos> hehe
[17:54] <Kilos> her and her mom are very thankful
[17:54] <inetpro> well with that voice I sure hope she goes a lot further than just a third place in this competition, she deserves it
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: how's her throat?
[17:55] <Kilos> she has to go for full back and neck xrays as soon as they can get an appointment  inet
[17:55] <nlsthzn_> hmmm... google IRC
[17:55] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn_
[17:56] <nlsthzn_> hello uncle Kilos
[17:56] <inetpro> Maaz: google IRC
[17:56] <Maaz> inetpro: "Internet Relay Chat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat :: "Rescue and Refugee Support | International Rescue Committee (IRC)" http://www.rescue.org/ :: "mIRC: Internet Relay Chat client" http://www.mirc.com/ :: "freenode Web IRC (qwebirc)" http://webchat.freenode.net/ :: "Internet Relay Chat Help"
[17:56] <Maaz> http://www.irchelp.org/ :: "Mibbit chat network" http://mibbit.com/ :: "EFnet - The Original IRC …
[17:56] <inetpro> nlsthzn_: ^^ ??
[17:56] <nlsthzn_> trying out circ, an irc client for chrome browser
[17:57] <nlsthzn_> very minimal, hardly better than webchat :p
[17:57] <inetpro> Kilos: nice rains we're having
[17:58] <Kilos> we didnt get much yet inetpro
[17:58] <Kilos> lotsa storm though
[17:58] <inetpro> Kilos: corrie posted about flooding as well
[17:58] <Kilos> where?
[17:59] <nlsthzn_> screenshot - https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13877196/Screenshot-circ.png
[17:59] <Kilos> not here we would welcome some flooding
[17:59] <inetpro> or rather posted by Rob Byrne @TrafficSA Pretoria - #Flooding in Pretoria North, from Wonderboom and on local routes
[17:59] <Kilos> ai!
[18:01]  * inetpro feels rather lucky to have arrived at home without getting wet this evening
[18:01] <Kilos> lol
[18:02] <inetpro> those clouds were full of water
[18:02] <Kilos> so inetprowhat about the water testing?
[18:02] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[18:02] <Kilos> ai! no space again
[18:02] <inetpro> geen geld daarvoor nie oom
[18:02] <Kilos> but when i told you drink it long ago you first argued
[18:02] <Kilos> strydom
[18:02] <Kilos> your water is fine
[18:03] <inetpro> I'm still hesitant to drink it
[18:03]  * inetpro wbb
[18:03] <Kilos> if it dont kill your dogs you are ok too
[18:03] <Kilos> k
[18:18] <magespawn> evening all
[18:19] <magespawn> superfly i was going to ask how to get a built in wireless card to work under kubuntu but got it sorted thanks
[18:20] <superfly> magespawn: normally works fine for me :-)
[18:20] <magespawn> old laptop, got drivers from linuxkernel.org
[18:25] <magespawn> works fine now
[18:33] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[18:34] <Kilos> have a good evening guys. i go sleep.
[18:34] <Kilos> check you all morrow time
[18:37] <Squirm> hi
[18:44] <inetpro> cocooncrash: Happy Birthday!
[18:48] <Squirm> cocooncrash: Happy Birthday!
[18:50] <Cantide> cocooncrash: Happy Birthday!
[20:08] <nuvolari_> meh
[20:08] <nuvolari_> typical blue monday
[20:08] <nuvolari_> dark blue
[20:09] <nuvolari_> navy deep blue
[20:09] <nuvolari_> belated happy birthday cocooncrash :P
[20:12] <nlsthzn> gnight all
[20:13] <nuvolari_> night nlsthzn
[20:40] <magespawn> cocooncrash: happy birthday
[20:40] <magespawn> night all


[03:05] <ScottK> Riddell: calligra has a build failure on armhf (qreal/double issue) that's keeping calligra and okular from migrating.
[03:06] <ScottK> Looks like a reasonably tractable problem, but ENOTIME for it.
[03:06] <ScottK> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/193717788/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-armhf.calligra_1%3A2.8.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[07:14] <soee> good morning
[08:09] <ovidiu-florin> do we have a general email address for Kubuntu, that I can use to create an account on Wordpress.com?
[08:33] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: nope
[08:34] <ovidiu-florin> sitter: can we have one?
[08:35] <ovidiu-florin> Or should I do it on my email?
[08:36] <sitter> do it with yours, or, have Riddell do it
[08:52] <sitter> Riddell: anyone done user-manager / kde-gtk-config?
[08:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:29] <Riddell> sitter: no I don't think so
[09:32] <Riddell> sitter: I couldn't get the unity stuff to backport or rebuild so I think we'll have to live with saying unity can't be installed with these backports
[09:32] <Riddell> sitter: which makes me think i need to make a kubuntu-ppa/next-backports PPA to put them into
[09:32] <sitter> yep
[09:32] <Riddell> sitter: you say you also want a kubuntu-ppa/qt-backports ?
[09:33] <sitter> Riddell: utopic-qt54 I'd say for name
[09:33] <Riddell> ok
[09:36]  * sitter screwed up forward merging of kde-gtk-config :'<
[09:36]  * sitter also screwed up fixing the screw up
[09:36] <sitter> kubotu: order coffee
[09:36]  * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to sitter.
[09:39] <sitter> Riddell: user-manager and kde-config-gtk available for review in kubuntu_unstable branches
[09:39] <sitter> Riddell: all new plasmas are now packaged in unstable.
[09:40] <Riddell> awooga
[09:46] <sitter> going to poke them green in CI and then I am going to create stable branches
[09:49] <soee> and move to vivid archive :D
[10:39] <sitter> there's a bug in dh_makeshlibs!
[10:39] <sitter> good thing is is pyrl
[10:42] <Riddell> shurly shome mishtake
[10:44] <sitter> yes, pyrl usually is a mistake
[10:44] <Riddell> sitter: tagme fails? https://paste.kde.org/ptxxbnx2b
[10:45] <sitter> clearly all of them contain too much logic
[10:47] <sitter> lol, indeed
[10:47] <sitter> tagme is an almost verbatim copy of branchme xD
[10:48] <sitter> Riddell: are you releasing 5.2.90 today?
[10:48] <sitter> Riddell: tagme should be fixed
[10:48] <Riddell> sitter: no I'm releasing 5.1.95
[10:49] <Riddell> 5.2.90 is the version number for master
[10:49] <sitter> kk, because my documentation fix isn't done yet
[10:49] <sitter> super complicated nonesense >.<
[10:49] <Riddell> what needs fixed?
[10:50] <sitter> Riddell: https://gist.github.com/apachelogger/dc32df5e8a790e32a33f
[10:50] <sitter> the second file block is not supported
[10:51] <sitter> currently it always gets translations for $randompath/$project which for plasma-desktop would be $randompath/plasma-desktop, while it in fact needs to get $randompath and pick the directories present in the source
[10:51] <sitter> and then it needs to somehow make the translations grow cmakelists...
[10:51]  * sitter found bug in dh, not sure if bug -.-
[10:53] <sitter> bleh
[10:54] <sitter> debian bts makes me not want to report it
[10:54] <sitter> screw this, leave it broken
[10:55] <Riddell> but e-mail is such a good UI for any application!
[10:56] <Riddell> it means you can use it from your phone or anything
[11:01] <sitter> for the interested: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/muon.git/tree/debian/rules?h=kubuntu_unstable#n10
[11:12] <mitya57> KDE is installable (and working) again with Qt 5.4 PPA (on vivid)
[11:13] <mitya57> JFYI
[11:13] <Riddell> awooga :)
[11:14] <Riddell> mitya57: any eta for putting it in the archive?
[11:15] <mitya57> Have you read Timo's mail?
[11:16] <mitya57> In short, not before upstream 5.4.1 release
[11:17] <Riddell> mitya57: where's that?
[11:18] <mitya57> It was a private mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if that helps
[11:19] <mitya57> Subject: Gone for three weeks
[11:19] <mitya57> To: Dmitry Shachnev<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:21] <Riddell> ah yes, I'm behind with my e-mail
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:24] <sitter> mh
[12:25] <sitter> Riddell: I think you should have copied the qt builds to the qt54 ppa before adding kf5 on top :P
[12:27] <sitter> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-staging/+sourcepub/4661418/+listing-archive-extra ftbfs
[12:29] <Riddell> sitter: why?
[12:30] <sitter> Riddell: now I had to fish them out manually which is a drag
[12:30] <Riddell> I was waiting for a few to finish compiling
[12:30] <sitter> ah fair enough
[12:30] <sitter> Riddell: I copied them over now
[12:30] <sitter> well, except for qtquick1 as that ftbfs
[12:39] <Riddell> sitter: copied where?
[12:39] <sitter> utopic-qt54
[13:48] <kranzer> Riddell: hi
[14:00] <ovidiu-florin> can someone please check for me my kubuntu email address?
[14:00] <ovidiu-florin> does it point to me or not?
[14:00] <ovidiu-florin> LP profile: https://launchpad.net/~ovidiu-florin
[14:00] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know where to look
[14:01] <Riddell> I think only you can check that
[14:02] <Riddell> hi kranzer
[14:02] <kranzer> Riddell: are there any tasks?
[14:05] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I've sent a test email to my kubuntu email address, it does not come back to me
[14:06] <Riddell> ah that'll be the problem then
[14:06] <Riddell> fix your launchpad e-mail I guess
[14:06] <ovidiu-florin> how do I debug it?
[14:07] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: my launchpad email is corect
[14:08] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~me/+editemails
[14:08] <Riddell> you'd need to talk to canonical sysadmins then
[14:11] <ovidiu-florin> awesome
[14:13] <kranzer> Riddell: no packages to update?
[15:21] <Riddell> "PPA exceeded its size limit (3142.00 of 2048.00 MiB)" waa
[15:21] <Riddell> next-staging is oversized
[15:23] <genii> By quite a lot, it seems
[15:26] <Riddell> wgrant: pretty please https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/260615
[15:28] <_Groo_> hi all
[15:29] <Riddell> hi _Groo_
[15:29] <_Groo_> hi Riddell
[15:29] <_Groo_> whats up?
[15:30] <Riddell> meh PPA out of space
[15:31] <_Groo_> Riddell: i saw you guys uploaded the bluedevil ti ci, but how did you guys solved the bluez 5 dependency? for what i gather from the update its still there. was bluez5 uploaded too?
[15:34] <Riddell> dunno sitter does CI, quite possibly he just ignored bluez5 and it can't be installed
[15:34] <sitter> Riddell: delete qt bits in stage, mark stage to depend on the utopic-qt54 ppa, that should give you some additional leeway
[15:34] <sitter> Riddell: if you fixed qtquick1 copy that first to utopic-qt54
[15:34] <sitter> #reminder ;)
[15:42] <_Groo_> sitter: hey hey
[15:42] <_Groo_> sitter: did you backported bluez5 in ci?
[15:44] <sitter> _Groo_: nope
[15:44] <_Groo_> sitter: sooooo just the bluedevil packages?
[15:45] <_Groo_> sitter: did you used my work as a base?
[15:45] <_Groo_> sitter: or just went with debian sources?
[15:46] <_Groo_> sitter: if you want to make bluedevil 100% useful you can use this too: https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/pbppa/+packages
[15:46] <_Groo_> fill stack, tried and tested for utopic
[15:46] <_Groo_> full*
[15:46] <_Groo_> works like a charm with bluedevil 5.1.x
[15:49] <arch-kubu> is there a best time of day to update when using CI  ?
[15:49] <arch-kubu> to avoid partial updates
[15:50] <arch-kubu> my ksmserver was seg faulting  so I waited 2 days and its fixed
[15:51] <_Groo_> arch-kubu: use daily instead of unstable
[15:51] <_Groo_> unstable-daily
[15:52] <arch-kubu> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ci/unstable/ubuntu vivid main
[15:52] <arch-kubu> so change that to unstable-daily ?
[15:56] <_Groo_> arch-kubu: yep
[15:56] <_Groo_> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable-daily/
[15:57] <arch-kubu> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs#Daily_Snapshot_.28somewhat_stable.29
[15:57] <arch-kubu> I followed that
[15:57] <sitter> _Groo_: I am undecided on whether we should pull bluedevil into snapshots at all
[15:57] <sitter> bluez backporting is scary business
[15:58] <_Groo_> sitter: bluez5 is much more stable in my system now, ok i give you, i had to backport pulseaudio too
[15:58] <_Groo_> sitter: but since its for ci... i dont see the problem, it will be in vivid anyway
[15:58] <_Groo_> its much more cleaner now
[15:59] <sitter> I am talking about utopic
[15:59] <_Groo_> pulse takes care of bluetooth audio now, and bluez5 only adds the protocols... stuff its much more stable with this upgrade
[16:00] <sitter> Riddell: what's your plan for regular next backports an bluedevil? are you going to use a bluez5 backport?
[16:00] <_Groo_> sitter: well that depends on the release team right? since it upgrades main packages (bluez and pulseaudio)
[16:00] <arch-kubu> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ci/unstable-daily/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[16:01] <_Groo_> arch-kubu: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ci/unstable-daily/ubuntu utopic main
[16:01] <sitter> as was pointed out the other day vivid has no snapshots
[16:01] <_Groo_> wait a moment, if you are using vivid why are you using this ppas? vivid is getting fresh new packages since its under development
[16:02] <sitter> CI > vivid archive
[16:03] <_Groo_> sitter: im talking to arch-kubu , he was asking for a more cutting edge release that doesnt break is stuff...
[16:03] <_Groo_> sitter: if hes on vivid, wouldnt unstable-daily = vivid ?
[16:03] <arch-kubu> I just want the wiki instructions to work
[16:04] <arch-kubu> they dont for vivid
[16:04] <sitter> there is no daily nor weekly on vivid
[16:04] <arch-kubu> then can someone edit the wiki
[16:05] <arch-kubu> Supported Kubuntu versions are limited to: 14.10 and 15.04 (development version).
[16:05] <arch-kubu> since thats wrong
[16:13] <Riddell> sitter: I was expecting to use _Groo_'s backport of bluez5
[16:13] <sitter> fair enough, might as well hurl them at CI then I guess
[16:13] <sitter> still scary though
[16:21] <_Groo_> sitter: embrace the breakage.. i mean change
[20:03] <_Groo_> is plasma-desktop-data broken in ci?
[20:06] <_Groo_> it is according to the builder
[20:06] <_Groo_> bummer
[23:21] <valorie> in #kde-devel, tsdgeos said: "calligra is not installable in vivid atm if marble is installed"
[23:21] <valorie> because of conflicts