[06:36] <DanChapman> morning all
[08:10] <DanChapman> pitti, hey nice work on that shotwell test. :-) quick question, have you added anything new to autopilot-gtk recently, for some reason I can now access the items in a treeview :-) although some have neg rect-coordinates so their no good but most ive seen seem ok
[08:11] <thomi> DanChapman: that was fixed a while ago, IIRC
[08:12] <pitti> DanChapman: no, I didn't
[08:13] <DanChapman> thomi, oh was it :-) awesome!!
[08:13] <pitti> DanChapman: I didn't get any sub-widgets on the tree view, hence the "blind" nagivation with tab
[08:13] <pitti> and I tried that just a few days ago
[08:15] <DanChapman> pitti, they don't appear under the tree view widget itself but in the GtkWindowAccessible tree, under GtkTextCellAccessible you can get with with there accessible name, they are buried quite deep but they are there :-)
[08:15] <pitti> DanChapman: ah, I ignored the *Accessible bits
[08:15] <pitti> nice
[08:16] <pitti> DanChapman: well, it was my first real ap test (aside from the ap-gtk testsuite)
[08:16] <pitti> so I'm still learning :)
[08:16] <pitti> thanks for the hint!
[08:16] <DanChapman> pitti, were all still learning :-)
[08:23] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, FYI: someone already ported testdrive to GTK3, it just needs fixing
[08:24] <DanChapman> Noskaj, oh have they, have you got a link to the branch?
[08:24] <DanChapman> Noskcaj: ^^
[08:31] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/testdrive/port-to-gtk3
[08:31] <DanChapman> Noskcaj: thanks :-)
[08:31] <Noskcaj> np
[12:55] <balloons> ohh porting testdrive to gtk3 :-=)
[13:12] <smartboyhw> balloons, those people are great:P
[13:23] <balloons> DanChapman, I wish you could have made the autopilot session yesterday
[13:24] <smartboyhw> balloons, I wish I could join in any session:(
[13:24] <balloons> elopio, check out the gtk emulator DanChapman is building. He's doing some things we talked about wanting to do yesterday in the call: ubuntuhackers.com
[13:25] <elopio> balloons: looking
[13:26] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, is there any source code for the theme of your blog?
[13:27]  * balloons can't wait till DanChapman's blog is on planet :-)
[13:28] <smartboyhw> balloons, I agree
[13:29] <elopio> DanChapman: wow, you have made a lot of them!
[13:30] <balloons> yea, I was on the fence about how much could be done, but I really like what's been done.
[13:32] <elopio> I wonder if libautopilot-gtk would be a good place to keep them
[13:32] <elopio> or if it's better to have a separate project.
[13:33] <smartboyhw> phillw, what is partaking?
[13:34] <DanChapman> balloons: I was listening in to the autopilot session yesterday but couldn't paticipate in it
[13:34] <phillw> smartboyhw: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/partake
[13:34] <DanChapman> smartboyhw: yeah I got the source for it if you want it
[13:34] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:34] <DanChapman> smartboyhw: I'll get that to you some point today
[13:35] <smartboyhw> phillw, I learnt a new English word!
[13:36] <phillw> it's a lazy way of saying "taking part" in the sense that I used it ;)
[13:38] <DanChapman> elopio I wondered the same about where it should go but I was sceptical about how it would turn out at first. But it seems to be holding up ok. balloons we should probably think about where it should actually end up
[13:38] <balloons> elopio, DanChapman it is interesting having such emulators be a part of the project..
[13:39] <balloons> for gtk, all gtk apps can benefit from it, so it's even more universal than the qml one
[13:44] <balloons> pitti, can you make this session? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21840/community-1308-quality-reporting-bugs/
[13:48] <knome> hey balloons
[13:48] <balloons> hey knome
[13:48] <knome> balloons, i still can't *delete* testcases or even *unlink* them from testsuites
[13:48] <knome> balloons, is that expected (and why) or is it a bug?
[13:49] <balloons> knome, inability to delete is expected
[13:49] <balloons> unlinking perhaps as well you can only disable
[13:49] <knome> balloons, what about unlinking?
[13:49] <knome> that's stupid
[13:49] <knome> remember our bug with that?
[13:49] <balloons> this is done to ensure accurate history
[13:49] <knome> aha
[13:50] <balloons> the unlinking thing might be fixable, it depends
[13:50] <knome> stgraber told he's going to fix the original bug, but seriously, super admins should be able to unlink at their discretion
[13:52] <pitti> balloons: ah, I was gong to go to "error reporting for click packages"
[13:52] <pitti> too bad that they colide
[13:53] <pitti> balloons: oh, your's is in the next slot; can do
[13:56] <balloons> pitti, :-) ty
[13:57]  * DanChapman can't decide which session to go to
[13:58] <SergioMeneses> vuds sessions time is killing me =/
[13:59] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, you are better than me
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Age restrictions are killing me =/
[14:00] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, I dont think so xD
[14:00] <SergioMeneses> age? about what?
[14:00] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, huh, you haven't looked at my newest post did you?
[14:02] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, no, I didnt
[14:03]  * SergioMeneses checks
[14:15] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, lol
[14:15] <SergioMeneses> google did you that, really?
[14:15] <SergioMeneses> jajaja
[14:15] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, really
[14:15] <SergioMeneses> epic fail
[14:15] <SergioMeneses> for google
[14:15] <knome> well you can always just create a puppet account and tell you're over 18.
[14:15] <smartboyhw> knome, well, I hate lying about my age
[14:17] <SergioMeneses> knome, smartboyhw but google says the content is inappropriate or something like that?
[14:17] <knome> SergioMeneses, yes, because his current account states he is less than 18.
[14:17] <knome> SergioMeneses, if he created a new account saying he is 18 or more, google doesn't restrict his access.
[14:18] <SergioMeneses> mmm....
[14:23] <smartboyhw> balloons, is ANYBODY joining you on Hangout?
[14:37]  * smartboyhw thinks poor balloons is lonely
[14:37] <DanChapman> smartboyhw: http://ubuntuone.com/1lN3fQdAvV6rLmaAYVPHDF
[14:37] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, gonzo:O
[14:38]  * smartboyhw has heard of that name as a famous Japanese animation production company:O
[14:39] <knome> balloons, tap.. tap.. tap..
[14:40] <balloons> so elfy knome phillw smartboyhw you able to make the quality flavors session?
[14:40] <smartboyhw> balloons, not me (you know the reason I think_)
[14:40] <knome> elfy said he can't, but i'll try to be there
[14:40] <knome> at least on IRC
[14:40] <balloons> smartboyhw, IRC works
[14:40] <knome> (and following the video)
[14:40] <smartboyhw> knome, you are not going to do it video:
[14:40] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:40] <balloons> I won't force anyone on camera.. but if none of you join, then you get me again :-)
[14:41] <smartboyhw> balloons, LOL
[14:41] <balloons> I mostly want to have the discussion
[14:41] <knome> smartboyhw, don't know i'm able to due to other things
[14:41] <balloons> IRC or video is fine
[14:41] <smartboyhw> balloons, um, then why just not do the conversation in IRC only?
[14:41] <balloons> knome is a fast typer, unlike me :-)
[14:41] <smartboyhw> balloons, I am too:P
[14:41] <balloons> talking is quite useful
[14:41] <knome> (and i don't have a G+ account, so i'd need to enable G+ and then disable after the session)
[14:41] <knome> talking does help
[14:42] <smartboyhw> balloons, I will try to get somebody coming
[14:43] <knome> balloons, elfy actually left a few notes on the pad
[14:43] <balloons> smartboyhw, irc works, leave notes on the pad or type along
[14:44] <balloons> I would really like knome and elfy to talk to the other flavors about using testcases and the tracker and how it's worked out for them.. also potentially writing autopilot tests, and running the ubiquity install tests for flavors too, etc
[14:44] <smartboyhw> balloons, I will leave some notes in pad
[14:45] <knome> balloons, i can do that
[14:46] <balloons> wonderful, thanks!
[14:46] <balloons> phillw, leave some notes if you can't attend :-)
[14:49] <SergioMeneses> balloons, I have a not: why can not be possible vUDS on weekends?
[14:50] <SergioMeneses> s/not:/note
[14:51] <balloons> SergioMeneses, that's good feedback to give. It could potentially be interesting to have one day be a weekend day
[14:51] <balloons> it's 3 days, at least one won't be weekend :-)
[14:51] <balloons> I don't schedule the dates, I just show up :-)
[14:52] <SergioMeneses> balloons, ok, until Saturday would be amazing
[14:52] <knome> balloons, SergioMeneses: talk with jono.
[14:53] <balloons> they typically have a feedback survey after uds.. good to mention it in there
[14:53] <balloons> also
[14:55] <knome> sure, but talking directly to him is much more useful
[14:55] <knome> especially if you happen to be working for canonical
[14:56] <SergioMeneses> knome, agree
[14:56] <elfy> balloons: I'd love to be there tommorrow - but work is interfering
[14:58] <SergioMeneses> elfy, +100k
[14:58] <balloons> knome, SergioMeneses I will directly mention it :-)
[14:59] <knome> SergioMeneses, you're cheating, there is only +1
[14:59] <SergioMeneses> balloons, thanks!
[15:00] <SergioMeneses> knome, mm... ok
[15:14] <phillw> balloons: when is meeting on vUDS ?
[15:15] <elfy> phillw: 3pm tomorrow
[15:16] <phillw> elfy: UTC?
[15:16] <elfy> real time :)
[15:16] <phillw> okies, 4pm my time :) I'll make sure I attend :D
[15:17] <elfy> phillw: you not in England at the moment?
[15:17] <phillw> elfy: yes :)
[15:18] <smartboyhw> phillw, where are you now?
[15:18] <phillw> so, 3pm BST ?
[15:18] <elfy> yea - real time - as on your watch - 3pm :)
[15:18] <elfy> turn up at 4 and you'll miss it phillw
[15:20] <phillw> okies, I'll make sure I'm back from the weekly shop with my Mum by then!
[15:20] <knome> phillw, just make sure she doesn't jam up when shopping undies :P
[15:56] <smartboyhw> knome, (to not disturb your meeting) The new Catfish works, Ubuntu Studio images are perfectly built
[15:56] <knome> okay, thanks
[16:39] <senan_> balloons: is the tests are called in the same order we write ?
[16:41] <balloons> senan_, the tests are called in a random order. each test should be self contained and not assume any other test has been run
[16:43] <senan_> Ok. I thought the tests are called in the same order we write..thanks :)
[16:46] <balloons> your welcome :-) I hope it's coming along
[16:46] <DanChapman> senan_, hey how have you been getting on?
[16:47] <senan_> DanChapman : I downloaded saucy and setup in vmware player..just started checking the new UI :(
[16:48] <senan_> DanChapman, It is not working properly when launched from VM..
[16:48] <DanChapman> senan_: whats not working?
[16:49] <senan_> DanChapman, tests I've written. mouse clicks are not proper.
[16:49] <senan_> DanChapman, Need to check what is wrong :(
[16:51] <DanChapman> senan_, ok. Give me a shout if you need help :-)
[17:01] <senan_> DanChapman, sure..I think I'll have to reformat my hdd and install saucy instead of using VM
[17:05] <senan_> Is saucy stable enough to use as primary OS ?
[17:09] <senan_> DanChapman, balloons : Good Night
[19:06] <balloons> Letozaf_, hpw
[19:06] <balloons> Letozaf_, how's rss reader
[19:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[19:07] <knome> balloons, so are todays sessions done?
[19:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, the rssreader is quite ok, I have just one problem getting the Canonical Topic
[19:07] <balloons> knome, last one :-)
[19:08] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok, one more day of UDS, hehe
[19:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah!
[19:08] <knome> balloons, ok, ping me when you're available
[19:13] <balloons> knome, I will
[19:14] <knome> ta
[19:15] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok, well get help as you need it, as you can :-)
[19:15] <balloons> I know your working on it
[19:16] <knome> you're
[19:16] <balloons> I'm triple tasking, I forgive myself
[19:16]  * balloons thanks knome
[19:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will try to :D
[20:05] <balloons> knome, shoot
[20:06] <knome> balloons, can we remove those duplicate tests?
[20:06] <knome> let me login and get you the specifics
[20:07] <knome> balloons, http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/348/edit & http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/363/edit
[20:07] <knome> balloons, these are the testcases that are giving us the "archived" bug/pain
[20:08] <balloons> knome, stgraber has the keys to the db, so if you can't remove it, I can't either!
[20:09] <knome> boo
[23:10] <sak_> will Mir be available for all flavors of ubuntu; xubuntu, lubuntu, kubuntu?
[23:11] <knome> sak_, your blog article and G+ post is incorrect.
[23:11] <melodie> hi
[23:16] <sak_> i just noticed. i was under the impression that xubuntu would use Mir since there were "calls for testing" for the QAteam. sorry for being miss-informed.
[23:17] <knome> sak_, a simple search of "xubuntu mir" on google would have been enough to check for sources
[23:17] <knome> rather than guessing or expecting things, check the facts next time
[23:19] <sak_> thank you knome, will do in the future
[23:19] <knome> thanks.
[23:42] <knome> sak_, ...i would also appreciate if you fixed the G+ post and blog article which still have incorrect information


 Sorry Keith, I leave at 0800 usually
 Ah, I am never hear that early. Was going to offer you some of those spinners. I need to print more though
 https://twitter.com/KeithIMyers/status/823628534577041410
 Haha … They used a generic message.  It was more than 15 chars and they said WTF is going to use that many?
 Points to myself
[20:51] <floridagram> * AdamOutler knows
 Normally 15 chars is a strong password but it would have been a step down to what I was using prior
 https://twitter.com/Google/status/823613069007929350
 PSA: https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=gE8_y9SsNPQ
 @AdamOutler, Thats just evil... I need to listen to Rick Astley for the next few hours to get that out of my head
 we're almost at 500 bucks for the walk!
 @ahoneybun, Yup 😉
 @KMyers @AdamOutler https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Charging-Receiver-Nillkin-Charger/dp/B01M11UT3V/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1485206997&sr=8-15&keywords=type+c
 any good?
 Note: it will partly cover the fingerprint sensor of Google Pixel
 No
 Also, only 1A charging max
 well I don't have the Pixel
 The 1A is enough for me
 1A may not be enough to be honest.
 @KMyers  any relation? https://plus.google.com/+NathanMyers
 No, but I am aware of this person. Was very vocal in the Google Glass community a long time ago. He did not have the means to buy Glass (money and the fact that he lives in a different country). He made his own Google Glass replica (FLASS) out of a Raspberry Pi. He eventually announced that he was transitioning from Male to Female
 Interesting person.
 Google+ post by Lokifish Marz … https://plus.google.com/+LokifishMarz/posts/2Jr59CP3J7s
 Lokifish is leaving
 WTF did I miss
 Dunno


[01:05] <melvster_> if I buy a bluetooth keyboard can it be normally connected to a nexus 4 ... e.g. for typing in the shell ...
[01:44] <ChristopherS> Hello! I am trying to install Ubuntu touch on my android device. Currently, I do not have access to normal mode. I do have access to recovery and download. When I try to use ubuntu-device-flash it says: "Cannot push... to device: free space on /cache/recovery is file" Could someone help?
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[07:52] <diwic> good morning dholbach
[07:52] <dholbach> hi diwic
[07:53] <diwic> I had the most wonderful concert with my choir yesterday, just want to stay in that feeling :-)
[07:53] <diwic> how are you?
[08:59] <silviu_> does anyone know is Ubuntu Touch has somethign akin to this (this function is for Android)
[08:59] <silviu_> adb shell screenrecord
[08:59] <silviu_> *if Ubuntu Touch
[10:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Cat Herders Day! :-D
[16:24] <oSoMoN> elopio, I commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/webbrowser-app/autopilot-webbrowser_cpo/+merge/244659
[16:46] <junglebob> Hi all. Anyone know where I an find info regarding progress on touch for the Galaxy tab-S 10.5?
[16:47] <junglebob> is this working? I can'ty see any other text but my own!
[16:50] <quatrox> Does anybody know if there exist any howto for creating click packages for C libraries?
[16:53] <elopio> oSoMoN: yes, thanks. I replied.
[16:53] <elopio> oh,
[16:53] <elopio> he's gone.
[16:57] <pngo> which files/folders to backup txt msgs?
[16:58] <davmor2> quatrox: if you use the ubuntu sdk the same way you create a click package for qml I guess
[17:00] <quatrox> davmor2: I was hoping to not have to fight with the SDK
[17:13] <bzoltan_> quatrox:  it is not a big fight :) i promise. Anyway, what good is to click package a library? Click apps are confined so no other app can use libraries from other click packages
[17:16] <davmor2> quatrox: http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/packaging-click-apps/ it might be that you can use whatever to create the app and just use the sdk to upload it but on the whole developer.ubuntu.com will be your best resource you can also ask on #ubuntu-app-devel too
[17:17] <davmor2> quatrox: that is full of people creating apps so they might be able to point you at things they have written that might help
[17:46] <baudbaud> Hey, I want to try out the Ubuntu Desktop Next iso on my Windows tablet, but the last time I tried it didn't have good detection for when I needed the on-screen keyboard. Has that been fixed?
[18:41] <greyback> baudbaud: unfortunately not, we've not added ability to detect if hardware keyboard attached. So keyboard would be missing by default. Think there's a way to enable OSK manually tho
[18:42] <baudbaud> gotcha. Is that already a bug somewhere? What bug tracker would it be in?
[18:43] <rickspencer3> s
[18:44] <greyback> baudbaud: here's the place to start: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+filebug
[18:44] <greyback> we can take it from there
[18:49] <baudbaud> Filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1402787
[18:58] <kenvandine> mandel, can i get a review please?  https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1392051/+merge/244218
[19:29] <tedg> rsalveti, I was looking in the Pulse API to see if we could check to see if an input sink is playing audio currently, but I can't find a way, do you know of one?
[19:29] <tedg> rsalveti, Was hoping to be able to startup and determine our state of what's playing.
[20:54] <Ellendway> Hi. I am working on Czech translate of the system and I didn't find system strings to be translated. I just found applications but that's it. Any link / idea where it is?
[21:23] <dobey> Ellendway: are you looking for something in particular?
[21:23] <Ellendway> dobey: e.g. first OS launch. Some sentenses are still untranslated.
[21:24] <dobey> Ellendway: the first run wizard you mean?
[21:25] <dobey> i'm not sure what package that is part of
[21:25] <dobey> kenvandine: ^^ do you know?
[21:25] <Ellendway> Yes, the intruduction wizard once the system installation is done.
[21:25] <kenvandine> it is english on the first page of the wizard
[21:25]  * dobey wonders if that is in lightdm
[21:26] <kenvandine> and that first page lets you change it
[21:26] <Ellendway> And also apps "Phone" and "Messaging". Found just https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[21:26] <Ellendway> kenvandine: yes but rest of the settings are in selected lang.
[21:26] <dobey> Ellendway: yes, that's how it is supposed to be
[21:27] <dobey> we don't know what language to use until you choose it
[21:27] <dobey> kenvandine: i think there's a way to change to default lang for the first page though, when building custom locale-specific images, right?
[21:27] <kenvandine> there is
[21:27] <Ellendway> Don't worry about the first page tho.
[21:27] <dobey> so one could build a czech image and it would be in czech on the first page
[21:27] <Ellendway> I am worried about next pages.
[21:28] <Ellendway> Most of sentenses on 2nd and 3rd page are not translated.
[21:28] <kenvandine> Ellendway, those should be translated
[21:28] <dobey> kenvandine: maybe they just aren't translated in czech yet
[21:28] <kenvandine> oh... maybe the translation is just incomplete
[21:28] <dobey> kenvandine: is that code in lightdm?
[21:28] <Ellendway> That's why I am searching for a launchpad page where I can translate it. Sorry for misundrestanding.
[21:28] <kenvandine> no
[21:28] <kenvandine> that's unity8
[21:28] <dobey> ah
[21:29] <kenvandine> Ellendway, that's awesome :)
[21:29] <kenvandine> dobey, yeah, the wizard was moved to unity8 recently
[21:29] <Ellendway> misunderstanding*
[21:29] <dobey> Ellendway: phone is lp:dialer-app and messaging is lp:messaging-app iirc
[21:32] <Ellendway> Okay looks like I found what I needed. I guess all projects listed here https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+related-projects are related to Ubuntu Touch, right? ;)
[22:07] <kenvandine> cyphermox, can you test vivid silo 7 which includes mzanetti's bt-input silo?
[22:08] <kenvandine> just test the bluetooth input related stuff
[22:28] <cyphermox> kenvandine: sure
[22:37] <quatrox> bzoltan_: I am sorry I just disappeared.  Anyway, I have one app I want to create a click package from.  That app depends on a lib.  Should I bundle both the app and the lib into one single click package?
[22:38] <quatrox> davmor2: thank you for the information you sent me earlier.  I will have a look at it
[22:57] <kenvandine> cyphermox, thanks, i'll test the rest
[22:57] <kenvandine> just give me a ping here and let me know if the bt bits are good
[22:58] <kenvandine> cyphermox, and... if you have time could you give me a review of this?
[22:58] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1392051/+merge/244218


[00:00] <wgrant> I see.
[00:00] <wgrant> That is indeed odd.
[00:00] <wgrant> Distinct users?
[00:01] <persia> Probably a documentation bug: somewhere it says "to get the code ready to branch, open a question requesting a vcs-imports branch of upstream" or similar.
[00:15] <maxb> urgh
[00:15] <maxb> Well, reviewing code imports has certaintly tought me the reason for needing code import reviews
[00:16] <maxb> Of this current batch, I think I've only been able to approve one unmodified, out of about 8
[03:36] <micahg> hi lifeless
[03:46] <lifeless> hi
[03:47] <micahg> lifeless: just wanted to let you know that karma calculation has been broke for about a week
[03:48] <lifeless> thanks
[07:18] <happyaron> could anyone tell me am I possible to get the content of this branch? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~registry/gnome-paint/trunk
[07:21] <spiv> happyaron: hmm, looks like the branch is broken; it's stacked on a branch that no longer exists, or has been renamed :/
[07:21] <spiv> Although, hmm.
[07:22] <happyaron> spiv: so is there any chance to get the content?
[07:22] <spiv> That's weird.
[07:22] <wgrant> A branch owned by ~registry? That's a little odd.
[07:22] <wgrant> Sounds like the owning team might have been deleted.
[07:22] <spiv> wgrant: also odd is that web page says it's stacked on another ~registry branch
[07:22] <spiv> wgrant: but the branch itself says it's stacked on a ~gp-team branch
[07:22] <wgrant> Yeah, ~gp-team must have been deleted.
[07:23] <spiv> Ah
[07:23] <spiv> And presumably the DB record for e.g. the stacked-on details got updated
[07:23] <spiv> But the branch's branch.conf didn't
[07:23] <wgrant> Right.
[07:23] <wgrant> Deleting reassigns all artifacts to ~registry
[07:23] <wgrant> So the branch's path changed.
[07:23]  * spiv -> afk for a bit
[07:23] <wgrant> happyaron: I'll push a good copy up somewhere. Give me a sec.
[07:24] <happyaron> wgrant: thanks
[07:35] <wgrant> happyaron: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/gnome-paint/trunk-good/
[07:37] <happyaron> wgrant: thank you
[07:42] <spm> wgrant: for my own documenting purposes; how did you solve that? roughly?
[07:44] <wgrant> spm: For admins it's easy (just edit .bzr/branch/branch.conf in broken branch, fixing stacked_on_location to point to the new URL). But because I can't edit that branch, I just grabbed both over SFTP, correct stacked_on_location, then pushed.
[07:45] <spm> huh. cool, thanks!
[07:45]  * spm fires up the wiki editor. again.
[07:46] <spm> ho ho ho ho. LPHowTo/FixingBrokenBranches <== already existed
[07:51] <spm> wgrant: fwiw: scripts/get-stacked-on-branches.py | grep "<PROJECT>" | scripts/update-stacked-on.py --dry-run <== in the tree. obviously this is for our use, but fyi.
[07:51] <wgrant> spm: Ah, handy.
[07:54] <spm> in any event, having more than one way to solve it, is useful. you've been wiki immortalised. ;-)
[07:57] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:32] <fta2> hi, question about translations exports. i want a different branch from the one used for the daily imports, how should i create that export branch? should it be a "branch" of the imported branch? or could it be unrelated?
[09:47] <thumper> jtv: ^^^
[09:47] <jtv> thumper: thx
[09:47] <jtv> hi fta2, reading backscroll now
[09:48] <fta2> jtv: it's for https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations
[09:49] <fta2> jtv, for the import, i use https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-translations.head
[09:49] <jtv> fta2: the answer depends on what you want to do with the branch later.  If you ever want to feed the results back into the development branch, you should make them related.  If you don't, and probably care more about getting a clean directory tree without translations stuff in it, then create a fresh branch.
[09:49] <fta2> but it's populated by a script, translating upstream xslt files into gettext
[09:50] <fta2> so i don't want lp to export to that branch
[09:50] <jtv> fta2: then by all means create a fresh branch.  You'll have to create it on your local machine, then push it to launchpad.
[09:50] <fta2> i will have to write another converter to recreate xslt files
[09:51] <fta2> jtv, a new branch with just an empty commit?
[09:51] <jtv> Yes.
[09:52] <fta2> jtv, ok. any location? i remember something about a limitation to the user dir... i want a team branch at the end
[09:52] <jtv> fta2: you personally have to be the owner in order to set it; you can transfer it to a team later.
[09:52] <jtv> (Something we still have to fix, but since there's a workaround, it's not quite as urgent as other stuff)
[09:53] <jtv> You'll want to push it into the project, but there's no actual requirement to do that.
[09:55] <jtv> fta2: the branch can't be stacked on another branch for the exports to work, but the export will automatically un-stack it for you if needed.
[09:56] <fta2> looks overly complicated (and undocumented)..
[10:02] <jtv> fta2: well the unstacking is automatic so there's no particular need to document it.  I only mentioned it because you seemed familiar enough with bzr that it might interest you.
[10:03] <fta2> jtv, i meant, the export to a dedicated branch
[10:04] <jtv> fta2: it's very brief (has to be, given how much there is to document) but the basics are here: https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject/Exports
[10:15] <fta2> well, it doesn't work. 1 error, invalid value. doesn't like my branch
[10:15] <fta2> jtv, ^^
[10:15] <fta2> i used ~fta/chromium-browser/chromium-browser-exports.head
[10:15] <jtv> fta2: :(    Did it say that when you selected the branch as the export branch!?
[10:15] <fta2> yes
[10:16] <jtv> fta2: I don't see a branch by that name—did you mean chromium-translations-exports.head?
[10:19] <fta2> jtv, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~fta/chromium-browser/chromium-translations-exports.head  => http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/lp-translation-exports.png
[10:20] <jtv> fta2: I'm not sure I follow.  This time you do say chromium-translations-exports.head, but the picture shows chromium-browser-exports.head like you said before.
[10:20] <fta2> oops
[10:21] <jtv> Hence the "no items matched" I guess.
[10:21] <fta2> i initially tried with just chromium in the search box, no answer at all (while i have dozens of chromium branches)
[10:23] <fta2> seems ok now. can i force an initial export? or should i wait for the next daily export?
[10:26] <jtv> fta2: you'll have to wait for the daily run tomorrow.  I can estimate the time it should run, if you have a moment.
[10:26] <fta2> sure
[10:29] <jtv> fta2: should run around 05:00 UTC.  YMMV, standard disclaimer, I know nothing etc.
[10:31] <fta2> jtv, ok, so tomorrow morning for me. thanks
[10:32] <jtv> no worries
[12:00] <wgrant> Is deathrow still broken? Or is the topic outdated?
[12:03] <bigjools> fix0red
[12:04] <wgrant> Thanks.
[12:50] <fta2> bigjools, wgrant: ho, any news about the imminent ppa stats?
[13:02] <zyga> hi, how can I use launchpad API to check if given prerequisite branch for a merge request is already merged?
[13:02] <zyga> I want to improve tarmac so that it can process merge requests produced by bzr-pipeline without any conflicts
[13:02] <zyga> to do that I need to move along the pipeline, branch by branch
[13:03] <zyga> starting with the first branch that has no prerequisite
[13:18] <soren> I've been logged out and awful lot over the last couple of days. Is that a known problem?
[13:19] <wgrant> soren: More recently than last Thursday?
[13:19] <soren> Like 15 minutes ago.
[13:19] <wgrant> DB master swaps caused sessions to vanish twice last week.
[13:20] <wgrant> Hm, I'm still logged in on both edge and production.
[13:21] <soren> I had a tab that I had used less than an hour ago where I was logged in. When I opened another tab, I was logged out.
[13:21] <wgrant> lamont: What's up with platinum, litembilla, lakoocha and iridium?
[13:21] <wgrant> lamont: They've been idle for half an hour, but the queue is large.
[13:22] <soren> I'm positive I've used launchpad in the time in between and about 15 minutes ago, I was suddenly logged out.
[13:22] <soren> Hmm... It only happened in Chrome. My session in Firefox survived.
[13:24] <soren> Weird. Unless of course sessions are sharded and a shard left and my Chrome session was in there and my firefox session was elsewhere.
[13:24] <soren> meh
[13:25] <lamont> wgrant: looking
[13:26] <lamont> 2010-10-11 11:37:21+0000 [-] Processing successful build i386 build of ppatest 0.0.20101011.12.15 in ubuntu hardy RELEASE from builder litembilla
[13:26] <lamont> that's the last litembilla build
[13:26] <lamont> in fact, that's the last mention of litembilla in the log at all
[13:26] <wgrant> Hm.
[13:26] <wgrant> That's a little odd.
[13:26] <wgrant> Has it forgotten about all four?
[13:28] <lamont> lakoocha wins as last seen:  11:47:21 we harvested there.  not quite 2 hours ago..
[13:28] <lamont> so I'm gonna guess they got lost
[13:28] <wgrant> What do the lines after the 'Processing successful [...]' say?
[13:29] <wgrant> It looks like the upload was queued successfully.
[13:29] <lamont> 2010-10-11 11:47:22+0000 [-] Grabbing file: qgis-plugin-grass-common_1.6.0-svn14366~maverick_all.deb
[13:29] <lamont> 2010-10-11 11:47:22+0000 [-] Gathered BinaryPackageBuild 1993835 completely. Moving 20101011-114722-1998458-PACKAGEBUILD-1998989 to uploader queue.
[13:29] <lamont> 2010-10-11 11:47:23+0000 [-] Starting templates build trunk-3881859 for lp:openobject-server.
[13:29] <lamont> oh hahahahahahahahaha
[13:29] <lamont> 2010-10-11 11:47:23+0000 [-] Scanning failed with: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'content'
[13:29] <wgrant> Aha.
[13:29] <wgrant> Except what.
[13:30] <wgrant> Ah.
[13:30] <wgrant> Hm.
[13:30] <wgrant> But the LFA shouldn't be deleted yet.
[13:30] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[13:31] <wgrant> Aha.
[13:31] <lamont> http://paste.ubuntu.com/510854/
[13:31] <wgrant> Yeah.
[13:31] <wgrant> Fail.
[13:31] <wgrant> I guess restarting b-m will fix it, now that natty has chroots.
[13:32] <lamont> oh
[13:32] <lamont> heh
[13:32] <lamont> I'll get that done
[13:32] <wgrant> And the archive is published now.
[13:32] <wgrant> At least internally.
[13:32] <wgrant> So it should roughly work.
[13:32] <wgrant> (currentseries picks FROZEN, then DEVELOPMENT, then CURRENT, then anything else... so this didn't show up until natty was changed from FUTURE to FROZEN just before it was initialised)
[13:34] <lamont> you'll file the bug?
[13:34] <wgrant> Yeah.
[13:34] <wgrant> Just working out who to blame first.
[13:34] <lamont> because it'd be a shame to hit this with natty+1, too
[13:34] <wgrant> Translations, Registry, or Soyuz... that is the question.
[13:34] <lamont> and slapped over the head
[13:34] <wgrant> Looks good. Thanks.
[13:35] <lamont> blame translations - soyuz shouldn't get all the fun
[13:35] <lamont> :-D
[13:36] <wgrant> Indeed. I'm sure they'll be happy enough to fob it off to us if they think I'm wrong.
[13:55] <bigjools> wgrant, lamont: translations for sure - their build behaviour class needs to check for stuff like that, although it could be argued that it can be factored away in the buildmaster itself.  But that would not remove the behaviour's responsibility to check, still.
[13:55] <wgrant> bigjools: Yeah, bug #658318
[14:00] <lamont> affected: EVERYONE
[15:58] <cr3> how can I set someone as administrator of a team when there are no administrator yes/no radio buttons when attempting to modify the person within the team?
[15:58] <cr3> I looked at the following help page: https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/CreatingAndRunning
[15:58] <cr3> but the screenshot doesn't contain the Administrator row I'm seeing on Launchpad
[15:59] <cr3> I can unset someone who is an administrator, but I can't set someone as an administrator
[16:00] <cr3> is this a bug or feature?
[16:20] <magelan> Hello
[16:20] <magelan> I'm trying to report a bug on Launchpad but I get a Timeout error
[16:22] <magelan> Error ID: OOPS-1745K1887 if it can help
[16:26] <maxb> cr3: I think the permissions may be a bit silly - such that Administrators can remove other Administrators, but only the team Owner can bless new Administrators
[17:10] <czajkowski> what is the difference in a team and a project when setting up one on launchpad ?
[17:11] <oubiwann> czajkowski: a project is the place where code lives, where bugs get filed, etc.
[17:11] <czajkowski> oubiwann: ok so a team is what I need, thank you
[17:11] <oubiwann> czajkowski: a team is used where more than one person is working on a project
[17:11] <czajkowski> oubiwann: that clears that up
[17:12] <czajkowski> thanks
[17:12] <oubiwann> so they can all get access to branches saved in the team namespace, have upload access to PPA, etc.
[17:12] <oubiwann> okay, cool
[17:12] <oubiwann> also, teams can have mail lists created for them
[18:45] <ronnie_vd_c> is it possible with launchpadlib to reject propsed members of a team?
[18:46] <ronnie_vd_c> with launchpad.people['teamname'].proposed_members i already got the members
[18:46] <ronnie_vd_c> but i cant find any method to decline these persons
[18:58] <jelmer> ronnie_vd_c: As far as I can tell that is not (yet) possible.
[18:58] <ronnie_vd_c> ok, thx jelmer. Any idea how to decline 113 proposed members the quickest?
[19:03] <maxb> Write support for declining via the API. Submit a merge proposal. Wait for it to be deployed. Use the API? :-)
[19:04] <ronnie_vd_c> step1, learn programming ;)
[19:04] <ronnie_vd_c> step2, got familiar with the lp code...
[19:05] <ronnie_vd_c> i guess the easiest way atm is to do it all by hand
[19:17] <LinuxJedi> grrr... these hard lockups are really hurting :(
[19:46] <warp10> Does anybody knows if daily builds still have problems with maverick? I just tried to build a package and got a weird message about a missing .orig.tar.gz file
[19:55] <maxb> warp10: paste a link to the message and we can probably interpret :-)
[19:56] <warp10> maxb: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57458643/buildlog.txt.gz
[19:58] <maxb> Oh, recipes don't support .orig.tar.gz builds yet
[19:59] <maxb> Only the native packaging style
[19:59] <maxb> So, the first thing you might want to do is change '3.0 (quilt)' to '3.0 (native)', possibly making other changes to the packaging as a consequence
[20:00] <warp10> maxb: Good point. Anyway, I am wondering why the same recipe works on lucid and karmic, see: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57458680/buildlog.txt.gz
[20:00] <maxb> erm, well that's certainly confusing
[20:01] <maxb> urgh
[20:02] <maxb> Why does lucid-cat-lpbuildd have bzr-builder 0.2+bzr78, but maverick-cat-lpbuildd have 0.3.1 ?
[20:03] <warp10> maxb: no idea. Didn't noticed that difference
[20:03] <maxb> warp10: So, I'm inclined to pin the difference on a completely different version of bzr-builder being in use
[20:04]  * warp10 looks for the bzr-builder changelog
[20:05] <warp10> maxb: ah, looks like bzr-builder in the maverick builder is not taken from the ubuntu archive
[20:07] <maxb> warp10: Actually, the key is in these lines of logging in lucid:
[20:07] <maxb> dpkg-source: info: source format `3.0 (quilt)' discarded: no orig.tar file found
[20:07] <maxb> dpkg-source: info: using source format `1.0'
[20:08] <maxb> v.s. in maverick:
[20:08] <maxb> dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no orig.tar file found
[20:08] <maxb> So the answer is that maverick's dpkg behaviour is stricter and picks up on broken packaging that lucid's tolerated and worked around
[20:10] <warp10> maxb: I suppose reading the dpkg changelog since lucid to maverick would take me the whole night :)
[20:10] <warp10> maxb: anyway, your explanation sounds reasonable. I'll try again, after switching to 3.0 (native)
[20:10] <warp10> maxb: thank you!
[20:13] <nevans> according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/GettingTheSource, I've tried to `bzr branch lp:ubuntu/screen` and lp:ubuntu/byobu, but I'm getting errors.
[20:13] <nevans> "Unexpected Zope exception: CannotHaveLinkedBranch: <Distribution \'Ubuntu\' (ubuntu)> cannot have linked branches."
[20:14] <nevans> Am I missing something? (is this the correct channel to ask?)
[20:17] <maxb> nevans: Yes, it's the correct channel
[20:18] <maxb> I would have expected those commands to work
[20:18]  * maxb tries
[20:18] <maxb> nevans: oh
[20:18] <maxb> I know why this isn't working
[20:18] <nevans> :)
[20:19] <maxb> lp:ubuntu/screen is resolving to lp:ubuntu/natty/screen, but the natty branches haven't been created yet
[20:19] <nevans> maxb: I did notice that I could get what I wanted via lp:ubuntu/{lucid,maverick}/screen
[20:48] <niemeyer> Hey there
[20:49] <niemeyer> Is there any known timeout issues with LP now?
[20:49] <niemeyer> Trying to add someone to a team for the last 2h or so without success
[20:49] <niemeyer> (timeout with "Loading results failed")
[21:51] <thumper> niemeyer: there have been some fallout from the postgresql 8.4 upgrade with some old fast queries getting slower
[21:51] <thumper> niemeyer: best to file a bug
[21:52] <niemeyer> thumper: Aw, thanks
[21:54] <niemeyer> thumper: Probably not.. was just talking to mwhudson, which suggested using the non-AJAX page, and that worked very fast.
[21:54] <thumper> niemeyer: ok
[21:55] <wgrant> There were other timeout issues ~8 hours ago.
[21:55] <wgrant> Normally fast pages were timing out for a few minutes.
[21:55] <wgrant> Not sure if that's related.
[21:57] <mwhudson> it's because the ajax interface always searches
[21:57] <mwhudson> (it turns out)
[22:02] <soren> How does one choose to use the non-AJAX page?
[22:03] <wgrant> Navigate manually to +addmember.
[22:03] <wgrant> Or disable JS.
[22:04] <mwhudson> or middle click
[22:04] <wgrant> True.
[22:04] <soren> Aha!
[22:05]  * soren was waiting for something like that :)
[23:17] <achiang> i've an API question, regarding source_package_publishing_history. it has a date_published attribute, but i can't seem to figure out a way to learn *who* published it on that date
[23:18] <achiang> package_[creator|signer] only tell me who initially created/signed the package in the pocket
[23:18] <wgrant> achiang: That's all that's recorded at the moment.
[23:19] <wgrant> Partly because the command-line tools used by archive admins don't know who is making the change.
[23:19] <achiang> oh. ouch. :(
[23:19] <wgrant> Yes.
[23:19] <achiang> that won't do very well for my tool that tries to figure out if you've done work in a PPA in the past week.
[23:26] <achiang> how does the +archive page figure out who the "Uploader" is?
[23:26] <wgrant> achiang: package_signer.
[23:27] <achiang> hm
[23:33] <achiang> wgrant: thanks, i was seeing a really stupid error. i got 'next' and 'continue' confused in python.
[23:33] <achiang> keying off package_signer does what i want. and python's next() doesn't do what one thinks it might. :-/
[23:33] <wgrant> Hah.
[23:34] <achiang> vim confused me too. it highlighted "next" as if it was special somehow
[23:35] <mwhudson> it's a builtin
[23:39] <popey> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/projects/?text=apt
[23:39] <popey> is that how we present search results now?
[23:39] <popey> as a massive cloud of random words?
[23:40] <popey> (with no descriptions)
[23:44] <elmo> popey: https://edge.launchpad.net/projects/+index?text=apt
[23:45] <popey> now thats much nicer
[23:45]  * popey wonders what maze of twisting paths led him to that tag cloud hell
[23:46] <popey> thanks
[23:46] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/ -> apt -> find a project
[23:46] <popey> (was looking for the code behind apt.ubuntu.com )
[23:53] <lifeless> popey: our search story is hugely fragmented.
[23:53] <lifeless> https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/Search
[23:55] <popey> lifeless: ok, i would be interested to know which of those use cases/stories the tag cloud fits :)
[23:55] <lifeless> popey: well the point is I think we'd benefit by having a cohesive story, searching on tags is one aspect
[23:56] <popey> sure
[23:57] <popey> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ the word 'tag' doesn't appear anywhere on the page I used to search though.
[23:57] <lifeless> yeah
[23:57] <popey> 'find a project' to me says 'look for projects with $searchterm in the name/description'
[23:57] <lifeless> like I say, its all fragmented
[23:57] <popey> ok
[23:57] <popey> I guess I don't need to file a bug about this? or should I?
[23:58] <lifeless> up to you
[23:58] <lifeless> I don't think it will be acted on in the near term, and I think we'll work comprehensively on it in the long term.
[23:59] <popey> if you don't mind I'll file it or I'll forget it


[22:18] <sudip> can anyone please mark LP: #1946521 as affecting Jammy, Mantic and Noble.
[22:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-bugs- Launchpad bug 1946521 in motion (Ubuntu) "motion fails to start after install: Permission denied creating log file" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1946521
[22:52] <Eickmeyer> sudip: Done
[22:52] <sudip> thanks Eickmeyer
[22:52] <Eickmeyer> yw :)


[01:04] <seidos> i thought this was interesting:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRWare_Iron
[01:04] <seidos> cool logo
[01:12] <seidos> any ideas on how to compile this?  http://search.cpan.org/~flora/Gtk2-WebKit-0.09/lib/Gtk2/WebKit.pm
[01:12] <seidos> already tried ./configure
[01:14] <akk> If it's cpan, can't you just install it via cpan rather than downloading and building the source locally?
[01:15] <akk> It'll probably pull in tons of other stuff and take forever, but that's perl on ubuntu.
[01:16] <crashsystems> you do perl seidos ?
[01:17] <seidos> i try crashsystems
[01:17] <seidos> i'm using trisquel, akk.  is that a problem?  I looked for a gtk2-webkit package but couldn't find one using apt-cache
[01:17] <crashsystems> if you are ever in the market for a perl job, let me know.
[01:18] <seidos> crashsystems: what kind of qualifications are you looking for?
[01:18] <akk> Never heard of trisquel, no idea if it's a problem. But doing anything significant with perl always seems to involve installing cpan modules.
[01:19] <crashsystems> me personally? I'm not in a position to do any hiring. But the dev department at the company I work at, WhiteHat Security, uses perl.
[01:19] <seidos> it's an ubuntu derivative recommended by fsf
[01:19] <seidos> oh yeah, i looked at the web page i think, back then i didn't think i would make the cut.  i'll take a look again
[01:20] <crashsystems> https://www.whitehatsec.com/abt/careers.html#WEBdev
[01:21] <seidos> yeah, javascript, ajax, and jquery would be a problem for me.  also xml/json and solid experience building web apps
[01:21] <seidos> but thanks for the heads up crashsystems
[01:21] <crashsystems> yw
[01:22] <philipballew>  can someone help me track down a driver for a netgear wpn111
[01:22] <seidos> crashsystems: if they open a more entry level position, even if it's min wage, let me know :)
[01:24] <crashsystems> I'm not sure how much of that is actual hard requirement and how much it the typical thing employers do where they inflate their actual requirements on the jobs page.
[01:29] <seidos> i could send my resume i guess.  do you know if i would have to be in santa clara?
[01:29] <crashsystems> you'd have to be close enough that you could come into the office each morning. I think some of our devs live in SF
[01:32] <seidos> ah, i live in los angeles
[01:32] <seidos> thanks again for the heads up though
[07:49] <philipballew> how dangerous is over clocking my cpu?


[02:03] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:19] <ducasse> good morning
[07:40] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[07:40] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[07:41] <marcoagpinto> guys?! What about accepting apps certificates with ECC :)
[07:41] <marcoagpinto> I was going to suggest the same to Microsoft
[07:41] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:11] <EoflaOE> Hello marcoagpinto
[08:11] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE!
[08:11] <marcoagpinto> my dear beloved brother!
[08:11] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[08:12] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: How are you doing?
[08:12] <marcoagpinto> I am doing fine, thanks, and you?
[08:12] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:12] <EoflaOE> I am doing fine too
[08:14] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: How was your project?
[08:15] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: the PhD project?
[08:15] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:16] <marcoagpinto> or which other?
[08:17] <marcoagpinto> last week I implemented some new stuff into the PhD project, but it is risky to make changes without major testing
[08:17] <marcoagpinto> the software is slow as hell as it has tons of calculations and if I screw up it is bad
[08:18] <marcoagpinto> imagine I am at the exam using this new version and that it crashes )
[08:18] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:19] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: OK. Test well. I am thinking about the new version of KS.
[08:20] <marcoagpinto> cool
[08:20] <EoflaOE> Thnaks
[08:20] <EoflaOE> Thanks*
[08:21] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: I can't test it well, because it is slow as hell and takes all RAM in this old laptop :) . The Professor was the one testing it because he invented the Information Metric and was testing his theory with the software
[08:22] <marcoagpinto> my main simulation for the PhD takes 20-30 minutes to finish in this machine
[08:22] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:22] <marcoagpinto> I can't wait 30 minutes to test every change I make
[08:22] <marcoagpinto> it is too long
[08:23] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: OK. In my project, running it with debug mode on takes 20-40MB of RAM. Recently I have made a networked debugger, and would like to have chat in it.
[08:24] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:24] <marcoagpinto> I too have a debugger in my software
[08:24] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:24] <marcoagpinto> it is useful
[08:24] <EoflaOE> Networked? Or locally to a file?
[08:25] <marcoagpinto> in a window
[08:25] <marcoagpinto> it shows information in a window
[08:25] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:25] <EoflaOE> Nice.
[08:27] <marcoagpinto> I have a toolbar with tons of buttons (16x16 pixels), if I win the EuroMillions tonight I will pay to the guy who made the graphics to develop SVG images with a minimun 24x24
[08:27] <marcoagpinto> He designed all the buttons for free, so I can't ask him to do more for free
[08:28] <EoflaOE> Nice.
[08:28] <marcoagpinto> but 24x24 won't fit in my screen :) . I will need a 1920x1080p display
[08:29] <EoflaOE> And your current screen resolution is?
[08:29] <marcoagpinto> 1366x768
[08:29] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:29] <marcoagpinto> a laptop
[08:29] <marcoagpinto> even with 1366 an option is partly cut as it doesn't fit
[08:30] <EoflaOE> OK. I have 1400x900 in my old PC and 1600x900 in my new PC.
[08:30] <EoflaOE> 1440*
[08:30] <marcoagpinto> I have also a few windows that don't fit 100% with 768 :)
[08:31] <marcoagpinto> I need 1920x1080 for everything to fit
[08:32] <marcoagpinto> if I changed all gadgets to GTK3 size, nothing would fit on the screen :)
[08:34] <EoflaOE> Ok.
[08:40] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: My project, KS, has to be run through the console because it has no GUI. It's a kernel simulator and should be in a console.
[08:40] <marcoagpinto> ahhh
[08:40] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:41] <marcoagpinto> back in the 1990s I too created a tool that worked in a console
[08:41] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:41] <marcoagpinto> but now it has a GUI
[08:42] <EoflaOE> Nice.
[08:49] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: For now, goodbye. I will return after sometime.
[08:50] <marcoagpinto> oki
[08:50] <marcoagpinto> take care
[10:36] <EoflaOE> Hello everyone
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:38] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj! Hello!
[11:38] <marcoagpinto> >:) <- demon drinking his cola
[11:39] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[11:41] <lordievader> 👋
[12:35] <marcoagpinto> guys?!
[12:36] <marcoagpinto> I have just tried my Proofing Tool GUI app with PureBasic 5.71 on Ubuntu 18.04, and I still get a black emoji and no "&" using "&&" in a pop-up menu
[12:36] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:36] <marcoagpinto> can someone with programming knowledge try this to see if it is a PureBasic issue or Ubuntu's?
[12:39] <marcoagpinto> (I tried both with GTK3 and GTK2)
[13:08] <EoflaOE> Hello marcoagpinto
[13:08] <marcoagpinto> Hello
[13:08] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:09] <EoflaOE> How are you doing?
[13:09] <marcoagpinto> I am okay I guess
[13:09] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:09] <marcoagpinto> and you?
[13:09] <marcoagpinto> :p
[13:09] <EoflaOE> I am doing fine. I made a new post in my blog
[13:09] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[13:09] <marcoagpinto> what is the URL?
[13:10] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: I will get it
[13:11] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: https://eofla.wordpress.com/2019/09/03/good-news-and-bad-news/
[13:11] <marcoagpinto> ahhh
[13:11] <marcoagpinto> let me check it
[13:15] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh :))))
[13:15] <marcoagpinto> I too receive scam e-mails
[13:15] <marcoagpinto> :p
[13:16] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: That should stop. Correct?
[13:16] <marcoagpinto> a year or two ago I had an e-mail from LinkedIn that looked real... but its linked pointed to a .ru URL
[13:16] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:16] <marcoagpinto> yes
[13:16] <marcoagpinto> damn criminals
[13:17] <marcoagpinto> weeks ago I had some foreigners customers at the supermarket... when I got home I had a friend request on Facebook from them, so I accepted, and they tried to sell me something
[13:17] <EoflaOE> Some may even use unicode characters in hostnames, if possible.
[13:17] <marcoagpinto> a scam
[13:18] <marcoagpinto> and why is it that the referring sites that access Proofing Tool GUI's page are usually from Russia or porno sites?
[13:18] <marcoagpinto> it is very strange
[13:18] <marcoagpinto> I see the statistics now and then
[13:21] <EoflaOE> Yes. I don't like scam sites too.
[13:22] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: I once saw a technique used by some scammers that involves unicode characters that looks like regular characters. I don't recall the name
[13:22] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhh
[13:23] <marcoagpinto> around 1999 there was an e-mail in my internship that had a virus... the link was something like dysneyland.com
[13:23] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:23] <marcoagpinto> I can't remember
[13:24] <marcoagpinto> so, it was an executable attachment claiming to pass as a site URL
[13:24] <marcoagpinto> it was possible in the 1990
[13:24] <marcoagpinto> it was possible in the 1990s
[13:24] <EoflaOE> And was it malicious? And does it contain viruses?
[13:24] <marcoagpinto> of course it was a virus
[13:25] <marcoagpinto> back then the mail software wasn't as good as today
[13:25] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:25] <EoflaOE> OK. I did not get a virus mail, but got one scam mail.
[13:25] <marcoagpinto> one?
[13:25] <marcoagpinto> I would get 50+ scams per day in the old e-mail?
[13:25] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:25] <marcoagpinto> because my address was all over the Internet
[13:26] <marcoagpinto> in the sapo.pt one I recieve spam too but the server filters most of it
[13:26] <EoflaOE> I have one in my primary hotmail, but got no scam mails in the other. My gmail sometimes gets spam mails, one claiming to be Arabian but are really cybercriminals.
[13:30] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... I want to win the EuroMillions tonight and retire!!!! :(((((((
[13:30] <marcoagpinto> I am tired of the silly life on earth
[13:30] <marcoagpinto> I wanted to dedicate all my time to open-source
[13:32] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: OK.
[22:47] <lakitu> {05:23:59 pm:} <lakitu> here's a question maybe more explored by women, at least (stereo)typically: on my android tablet, i have several photo editors which do pretty well for touch ups... a lot is automated & its easy & works surprisingly well. does linux have anything like this - the 'new gen' of especially-personal-shot photo editors? {05:38:46 pm:} <lakitu> i'm kind of discussing this in another room, & i'll say it here:
[22:47] <lakitu> there's new gen of photo editors, e.g on android, that let you touch up your face, rather than just do a fish lens or red hue
[22:47] <lakitu> {05:39:18 pm:} <lakitu> i'd love to find one for linux, or if there isn't, then free idea to make some/one {05:42:00 pm:} <lakitu> linux face touch-up apps would help bring the female element to linux too, one might think
[22:49] <lakitu> {05:42:47 pm:} <lakitu> as well as younger generations, who like to play with, trade their photos {05:42:51 pm:} <lakitu> quite a bit {05:43:21 pm:} <lakitu> etc
[22:50] <lakitu> last paste: {05:34:25 pm:} <lakitu> like this one, FaceTune, has a 'detail' brush that simply just brings out detail in e.g your eyes. you just rub over your eyes & it makes them a lot more detailed / better looking. there are other things too {05:34:42 pm:} <lakitu> i'm sure there's plenty of other programs too
[22:52] <sarnold> heh, my first thought was gimp plugins, but I wonder how easy it is to find those .. https://www.gimp.org/registry/ doesn't look real happy
[22:53] <sarnold> this page suggests that there might a package gimp-plugin-registry that can be used to install plugins: https://beebom.com/best-gimp-plugins/
[22:53] <lakitu> no - from my experience with gimp - it's not that it 'couldn't - but at least that it does not have things like e.g FaceTune
[22:53] <lakitu> 'couldn't'*
[22:53] <sarnold> but maybe 5% of the plugins listed on that page look *vaguely* like what you mentioned
[22:54] <lakitu> right - kind of sketched my experience/impression with GIMP
[22:54] <sarnold> and I'm going to guess nothing as polished as the android ones you mentioned
[22:54] <lakitu> the thing is i love Linux, & want to see it succeed
[22:54] <lakitu> i think this would be good for many, including the two demographics i mentioned
[22:54] <lakitu> they're effortless sarnold. they really are
[22:54] <lakitu> just drag a brush & it looks a lot better
[22:55] <lakitu> e.g the detail brush in FaceTune
[22:55] <lakitu> (again, just bringing out details)
[22:56] <lakitu> gimp plugins may be the best way to go
[22:56] <lakitu> i can't say i've exhausted the World Wide Web for especially-face-tailored photo editing plugins, but i have not found anything beyond 'red eye reductino' - which is ancient - in GIMP
[22:58] <lakitu> red-eye reduction.*
[22:59] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-driver-430 bionic
[22:59] <sarnold> what blows my mind is that some of those things can do video filtering; I'm not sure if they're *realtime* or not, but I had the impresson they were. they're crazy.
[22:59] <lakitu> cool
[22:59] <lakitu> the GIMP plugins you mean?
[22:59] <lakitu> i was gonna say, i remember some '90s Windows freeware having red-eye reduction, even
[23:00] <Bashing-om> Bot is telling an untruth - " sysop@x1804mini:~$ apt list nvidia-driver-430 >>
[23:01] <Bashing-om> nvidia-driver-430/bionic-updates 430.26-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> amd64"
[23:01] <lakitu> this is not a blanket cricitism of Linux of photo editing software, but there genuinely is a new generation of photo editors e.g in iOS & Android
[23:01] <sarnold> lakitu: it might have been tiktok's integrated filtering thing..
[23:01] <lakitu> i see
[23:04] <lakitu> (photo-editing software*)
[23:12] <lakitu> well anyway
[23:12] <lakitu> i'll peruse those GIMP plugins - maybe there's something
[23:14] <lakitu> or just use my tablet for now


[02:07]  * hyperair kicks lightdm
[02:08] <hyperair> it refuses to log me in, and i don't see *ANYTHING* in the logs.
[03:20] <hyperair> okay, so removing ~/.Xauthority did the trick.
[03:20]  * hyperair sighs
[03:20] <hyperair> it would be nice if lightdm actually said something somewhere about this
[03:21] <micahg> hyperair: sounds like a bug somewhere unless you were tinkering with the file manually
[03:21] <hyperair> micahg: i don't know, really
[03:21] <hyperair> micahg: what creates .Xauthority?
[03:21] <hyperair> besides lightdm?
[03:21] <hyperair> i had a root-owned .Xauthority for some reason
[03:22] <micahg> sorry, this is one area i know very little about, maybe robert_ancell could help
[04:22] <pitti> Good morning
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[08:12] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: it looks as though c2esp needs to be updated to version 26~rc4 or so to handle cups 1.6 (it's showing up on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html) - is that something reasonable that you could take care of, or does it need the relevant changes to be backported instead, or ...?
[08:56] <dupondje> We stay on kernel 3.5 for quantal?
[09:37] <cc11rocks> Hey guys. Just started fixing bugs today. Fixed 15 spelling/grammer <package>/debian/control files (package descriptions). I have already proposed them. If you want to accept them : https://code.launchpad.net/~cc11rocks
[09:38] <cc11rocks> Goodnight everyone
[09:38] <cc11rocks> Will try to find time when I get up to do a few more
[09:38] <cc11rocks> Takes approx. 4-5 min for each fix total (downloading, etc)
[09:48] <cjwatson> Sigh, if I'd caught cc11rocks in time I could have advised him to stop and submit to Debian instead
[09:48] <cjwatson> I've commented on one of the MPs to that effect
[09:49] <cjwatson> dholbach: ^- we should amend our docs somehow to discourage this - it's well-meaning but new people don't realise the ongoing merge cost it incurs and it ends up filling up sponsorship queues
[09:49] <xnox> cjwatson: I believe typpos is one of the developer initiatives we are running =) so I guess we should accept them & push to debian.
[09:49] <cjwatson> If it is that is horrendously misguided
[09:49] <cjwatson> We should stop
[09:50] <seb128> cjwatson, I think it's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative
[09:50] <cjwatson> We should be making rational cost-benefit analyses here, not "developers at all costs"
[09:50] <cjwatson> Sigh
[09:51] <pitti> yeah, I used to reject those MPs as well and sent the diff as Debian bugs instead
[09:51] <seb128> that page is a bit misleading
[09:51] <seb128> it does ask to open a mr first then adds
[09:51] <seb128> "There are obviously more packages to be fixed, but as they are also in Debian, we'd prefer to get them fixed in Debian, so you might want to take these steps as well: "
[09:51] <cjwatson> It does have a tiny note at the bottom that you might want to submit to Debian
[09:51] <MCR1> cjwatson: I would prefer software without spelling errors, so if someone takes the time to fix those they should ofc be accepted. Why not ?
[09:51] <seb128> yeah, it should probably be the other way around
[09:51] <cjwatson> MCR1: Because there is a significant ongoing cost in diverging from Debian
[09:52] <seb128> MCR1, because the fix should directly go where it's useful for everyone and less work to maintain
[09:52] <cjwatson> MCR1: I too prefer software without spelling errors; what I'm saying is not that they should not be fixed, but that they should be sent directly to Debian rather than going via merge proposals to Ubuntu
[09:52] <MCR1> Then those should be somehow pushed upstream
[09:52] <cjwatson> That's what I'm saying!
[09:52] <MCR1> ok
[09:52] <cjwatson> The submitter should do that directly
[09:53] <cjwatson> It's no harder than preparing merge proposals (arguably easier - there's a different learning curve I suppose but the technology stack involved is simpler)
[09:54] <cjwatson> I don't think this is cc11rocks' fault in any way, just that he should be given better direction
[09:54] <seb128> we should reverse the instructions' order on that page
[09:55] <seb128> tell them to first send to Debian (if it applies there), then to open a m-r with a link to the debian bug
[09:55] <cjwatson> In general people should only do one of those; we should be careful to avoid advising them to do both
[09:55] <cjwatson> Otherwise duplicate effort etc.
[09:55] <pitti> I don't think we ever want MPs for those
[09:56] <cjwatson> And if that fails some kind of "should be of direct benefit to Ubuntu" test, perhaps we should consider advising people to do other things
[09:56] <seb128> right, that's what I was going to say, I think the idea is to get people contribute to Ubuntu (directly)
[09:56] <seb128> so maybe those typo fixes are not what we should recommend
[09:56] <seb128> dholbach, ^
[09:57] <cjwatson> It's a good classroom exercise for preparing merge proposals, but ...
[09:57] <xnox> I am ok with highly visible spelling error fixes. E.g. fontconfig started complaining a lot -> visible on the stderr on every app launch -> had a spelling mistake and we fixed it cause we are pedantic like that
[09:58] <xnox> if on the other hand the spelling error is GB vs US locale in an error message I will never see in a low-popcon package....
[09:58] <cjwatson> And for errors in things that are Ubuntu-specific
[09:58] <xnox> yes
[09:58] <cjwatson> But most new contributors won't have the ability to discern that, more or less by definition
[09:58] <cjwatson> Except in the odd obvious case
[09:59] <cjwatson> (Agreed on fontconfig - that was bugging me just this morning)
[09:59] <Laney> those warnings are irritating me enough that I will probably take some time to fix some of them this week
[09:59] <Laney> and I've seen some people worries in bug reports
[10:00] <pitti> xnox: you mean fontconfig s/was/fixed/will be fixed/? it's still complaining a lot here (but then this doesn't seem to be a simple typo)
[10:00] <Laney> there was some english error in the warning message
[10:00] <xnox> pitti: it used to complain with a spelling error. Now it complains in correct Queen's English.
[10:00] <seb128> pitti, I think he said the error message has a typo
[10:00] <MCR1> xnox: Apropos fontconfig :) - I've fixed a bug in font-manager - Can I speed up the merge of this somehow ? : https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/font-manager/font-manager.fix-961034/+merge/114991
[10:01] <pitti> oh, the "may not works", I guess
[10:01] <cjwatson> xnox: Either your fix hasn't landed yet, or your fix was buggy :-)
[10:01] <cjwatson> (If that was yours)
[10:02] <cjwatson> Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/25-wqy-zenhei.conf", line 11: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not works as expected
[10:02] <xnox> cjwatson: it was not mine =) I saw it somewhere
[10:02] <xnox> oh well, it's still there
[10:02] <MCR1> haha, yes I know this error message :)
[10:03] <xnox> MCR1: it's annoying as hell =) i get a screenful of them on every xdg-open call
[10:03] <MCR1> hehe
[10:05] <seb128> xnox, there is a bug with the details, I pointed to a diff to fix one of the package and gave details on how to fix those
[10:05] <seb128> xnox, I just didn't have time to work on them before ff
[10:14] <seb128> ogra_, infinity: thanks for the unity fixes, could you guys commit them to the vcs?
[10:14] <ogra_> nope
[10:14] <seb128> ogra_, why not? ;-)
[10:16] <xnox> no commit access to lp:unity?
[10:16] <ogra_> because the packaing has to be fixed anyway, whoever that does can pull in the fixes in one chunk ....
[10:18] <seb128> xnox, the packaging is lp:ubuntu/unity and those who can upload can commit there ;-)
[10:19] <xnox> seb128: meh =) for ubiquity we use lp:ubiquity only
[10:19] <seb128> xnox, bad you guys, no cookie
[10:19] <ogra_> xnox, desktop is a bit weird in that regard :)
[10:20] <seb128> ogra_, lp:ubuntu/... is not the desktop weird way :p
[10:20] <seb128> ogra_, the desktop weird ones are lp:~ubuntu-desktop/source/ubuntu
[10:20] <ogra_> oh, indeed, sorry :)
[10:21] <cjwatson> lp:ubiquity is because it's a native package
[10:22] <cjwatson> Which is a choice I'm happy to defend since it's the Ubuntu installer and not really intended for use elsewhere
[10:22] <cjwatson> If anyone ever gets to the point of being able to use it elsewhere then we might reconsider that
[10:23] <seb128> cjwatson, the only issue I have with those is that it means coredev doesn't have commit access to the vcs
[10:23] <cjwatson> Well
[10:23] <seb128> but it's not the end of the world, and not like ubiquity needed uploads from people out of the ubiquity team often
[10:23] <cjwatson> We could fix that by making ubuntu-core-dev a member of ubuntu-installer, and almost certainly should
[10:23] <cjwatson> The only reason I haven't is that I wanted to think about what that would do to bugmail
[10:24] <seb128> well, then it means you might give access to trunk to more people than you want to
[10:24] <cjwatson> I'm happy for anyone in core-dev to have commit access
[10:24] <cjwatson> I suspect that we should have separate "commit access" and "bug mail" teams
[10:24] <seb128> right
[10:31] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, I will update c2esp to said version. Thanks for the hint.
[10:33] <seb128> tkamppeter, what version? with the patch I sent you?
[10:34] <cjwatson> 09:12 <cjwatson> tkamppeter: it looks as though c2esp needs to be updated to version 26~rc4 or so to handle cups 1.6 (it's showing up on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html) - is that something
[10:34] <cjwatson>                  reasonable that you could take care of, or does it need the relevant changes to be backported instead, or ...?
[10:34] <cjwatson> seb128: ^-
[10:34] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks, I had a patch locally to fix the ftbfs and I emailed it to Till for feedback but that staled since
[10:35] <seb128> nice to see that upstream fixed it though ;-)
[10:35] <seb128> I couldn't find their vcs by then
[10:39] <dholbach> cjwatson, on the wiki page I advertised only Ubuntu-only packages and mention submit to Debian (and how to submit) a couple of times - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative
[10:40] <dholbach> it looks like c11rocks picked a bunch of others
[10:40] <dholbach> I'll try to make it even clearer
[10:40] <dholbach> and start a discussion on the mailing list about getting some help picking "useful, but easy" things
[10:42] <cjwatson> thanks
[10:45] <Laney> I suppose it's pretty hard though, since if the fixes are useful and easy then they are likely to be fixed fairly rapidly by existing developers
[10:46] <dholbach> or we could try to bundle them - a lot of the packages which haven't been touched for a while might have multiple problems
[10:46] <dholbach> in any case I agree that as much as possible should be sent to Debian
[10:47] <dholbach> so I'll take care of that one
[10:48] <dholbach> but first I'll have to get lunch, so see you in a bit :)
[11:02]  * xnox If you use bzr-cia please pull new revision to get it working again!
[11:11] <ogra_> xnox, bug 1044717 (see last comment)
[11:12] <ogra_> i assume thats not arm specific ?
[11:12] <xnox> ogra_: uno momento misseur
[11:12] <ogra_> :)
[11:13] <xnox> ogra_: *sigh*
[11:14]  * Laney eyes xnox
[11:14] <ogra_> how did i know you would say that :)
[11:17] <xnox> ogra_: I swear I tested it......
[11:17] <ogra_> wel, i find it inbtresting that we dont drown in similar bugs from other arches
[11:23] <dupondje> We stay on kernel 3.5 for quantal?
[11:30] <ogra_> xnox, i can confirm it on my panda, exact same issue here
[11:30] <xnox> ogra_: yes. if you try to do something which needs to show warning box, it will fail.
[11:31] <xnox> on any arch
[11:31] <ogra_> ah, thats why we only see it on arm
[11:31] <Laney> I added it to the pad as a respin trigger
[11:31] <ogra_> its the only arch with a warning box by default
[11:32] <xnox> ogra_: installation medium mounted.....
[11:33] <ogra_> yep
[11:33] <ogra_> i still think we should just blantly hide the mmc
[11:34] <ogra_> (in desktop ... but keep it shown in i.e. netinst ...)
[11:34] <cjwatson> dupondje: that's my understandng
[11:34] <cjwatson> +i
[11:34] <cjwatson> "installation medium mounted" is liable enough to happen in other situations, so worth a respin on all arches
[11:35] <xnox> ogra_: can I send you a file to test?
[11:35] <ogra_> sure
[11:35] <dupondje> ok thx cjwatson  :)
[11:36] <xnox> ogra_: see PM
[11:36] <ogra_> cjwatson, whats your opinion on having the mmc (source media) show up at all in the partitioner ? it fails if you dont pre-format/pre-partition the device, i really think we shouldne encourage third party partitioning installs ... if users want to install to their source media they should better use netinst
[11:37] <ogra_> *shouldnt
[11:37] <cjwatson> There's a general attempt in partman to stop the installation medium showing up
[11:38] <cjwatson> Doing something that's specific to MMC is likely wrong
[11:38] <cjwatson> Feel free to improve the existing code if you can do it in a general way, though
[11:38] <cjwatson> Perhaps first try to understand why whatever your current situation is doesn't trigger the existing checks
[11:38] <xnox> cjwatson: partman prevents changing the partition table of the installation medium, but it still shows it's partitions for the installation mount points.
[11:39] <xnox> ogra_ proposes to not show installation medium partitions / disk at all
[11:39] <xnox> and the window saying "you cannot change the partition table" does show up in the d-i and ubiquity currently. (as seen on panda boards)
[11:41] <cjwatson> If there's no remaining usable space on a disk due to the installation medium consuming it all, then I would say we should hide the dis
[11:41] <cjwatson> *disk
[11:41] <cjwatson> I wouldn't be in favour of hiding individual partitions from a disk with usable space, since I think that could easily get confusing
[11:43] <xnox> cjwatson: ok. except that you can't change empty space =) so it has to be a pre-made partition or show nothing then?!
[11:43] <cjwatson> I don't understand the question
[11:43]  * ogra_ would already be fine with a preseedable option, we set aubarch specific kernel cmdlines anyway on the arm images
[11:43] <cjwatson> Which of the above two cases are you talking about?
[11:43] <cjwatson> ogra_: I wouldn't
[11:43] <ogra_> *subarch
[11:44] <cjwatson> ogra_: Similar situations arise in other cases where that is much less convenient; general code is always better where possible
[11:46] <xnox> ogra_: for desktop if the sd card is less than 9GB (1GB for the installer image + 8GB for the minimum ubuntu desktop install size) i think it makes hence to hide the installation media from the partitioner.
[11:46] <xnox> in the ubiquity installer.
[11:47] <cjwatson> xnox: Could you please expand on "except that you can't change empty space =) so it has to be a pre-made partition or show nothing then?!"?  I don't know which case you're talking about here.
[11:47] <Laney> how did the current fix test out?
[11:47]  * Laney would like that in soon if possible
[11:47] <cjwatson> We should never be silently hiding only some parts of a disk
[11:47] <ogra_> well, moving with cjwatson's argument from above yu could use a 2G partition on the SD as /home ;)
[11:48] <cjwatson> Indeed, which is why it is invalid to make deductions about free space usability based on the minimum desktop install size
[11:48] <cjwatson> Let's not do that
[11:48] <ogra_> (if it was pre-formatted and nothing treis to touch the partition table)
[11:48] <ogra_> *tries
[11:48] <xnox> cjwatson: right so. If I have an SD card: 300 MB FAT boot partition, 1.2GB ubiquity/installcd partition, the rest is empty (20GB) for example.
[11:48] <cjwatson> You can generally append to the partition table even if an earlier partition is mounted
[11:48] <xnox> ah
[11:48] <cjwatson> The thing you can't do is manipulate anything <= the latest busy partition
[11:49] <ogra_> cjwatson, well, it seems to be pretty fragile
[11:49] <ogra_> i get bugs about it occasionally but its not always reproducable
[11:49] <xnox> but partman doesn't seem to let me make any changes to the partition table. Not even "append" operation as you say technically is possible.
[11:49] <ogra_> (about partman trying to touch the part-table regardless)
[11:49] <cjwatson> It should permit it with a warning
[11:49] <cjwatson> This has worked in the past
[11:49] <xnox> hmm.... Ok will test again.
[11:49] <cjwatson> And it's important in some USB-related use cases
[11:50] <ogra_> it often enough works for me when i try to verify such a bug
[11:50] <cjwatson> ISTR that some $bigcorp factory install scenario relied on it
[11:50] <cjwatson> So please don't break it :-P
[11:50] <ogra_> but these bugs come up
[11:51] <xnox> cjwatson: =)))))) not only it's a bigcorp it also has monies on the front =)
[12:19] <dholbach> does anyone have an idea how to fix https://launchpadlibrarian.net/114487674/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-i386.ubuntu-packaging-guide_0.2.3-0~135~quantal1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?
[12:23] <tkamppeter> seb128, cjwatson, I have uploaded a fixed c2esp now, but note that I have used 25c with seb's patch, as the upstream change is a mess. It is untested,m according to the README, file and it seems to be written completely from the top of the head of the author, not working at all.
[12:24] <cjwatson> Fair enough
[12:24] <tkamppeter> seb128, sorry for getting to that only lately, I had higher-priority things like auto driver download integration into s-c-p iteself and CUPS USB fixes to do.
[12:24] <seb128> tkamppeter, no worry, thanks for getting that uploaded
[12:25] <seb128> tkamppeter, the s-c-p and cups work were higher priorities so you worker in the right order ;-)
[12:46] <tumbleweed> dholbach: as far as I can tell. missing build-dep on texlive-lang-cjk
[12:47] <dholbach> that'd be too awesome to be true
[12:47] <dholbach> let me try
[12:47] <tumbleweed> it's pretty confusing
[12:47] <dholbach> I tried all kinds of other things already, but if that's it, that'd be awesome :)
[12:48] <tumbleweed> but ja uses a different latex, which isn't pdflatex, causing the error we saw there
[12:55] <dholbach> tumbleweed, does 'make pdflatex-ja' work for you?
[12:55] <dholbach> for me it doesn't :/
[13:00] <tumbleweed> dholbach: it does, now
[13:03] <dholbach> hum, can you maybe pastebin the output of   dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3 | grep tex   somewhere? I might be missing something
[13:04]  * tumbleweed has quick play in a chroot
[13:25] <shadeslayer> seb128: telepathy-glib is depping on valac >= 18, but valac depends on valac-0.14
[13:25] <shadeslayer> causes telepathy-glib to go into build dep wait
[13:25] <seb128> shadeslayer, thanks
[13:25] <shadeslayer> np
[13:25] <seb128> it should depends on valac-0.18 I guess
[13:26] <seb128> Laney, cjwatson: ^ is that something you would like to see fixed for beta1 or should we keep it depwaiting?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> don't know enough about vala packaging to give my opinion =)
[13:27] <cjwatson> I think we only care if there are important bug fixes we don't in practice have on images due to the dep-wait
[13:27]  * Laney grumbles about alternate build-depends
[13:31] <tumbleweed> dholbach: erm, dirty environment :( . So, we need something like the first hunk of https://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/sphinx/pull-request/33/style-fixes-to-handle-japanese-documents#chg-sphinx/texinputs/sphinx.sty
[13:32] <seb128> cjwatson, no, they are none, I will get that fixed after beta1
[13:51] <brendand> is there a version of pyflakes that likes python3?
[13:51] <cjwatson> I haven't found one; I just write code compatible with both Python 2 and 3 and it's OK with that
[13:52] <cjwatson> Aside from a few warnings about duplicate imports
[13:54] <dholbach> tumbleweed, great - I'll have a look
[13:55] <tumbleweed> dholbach: (and then a platex to build it, which was the missing build dep)
[14:19] <dholbach> tumbleweed, still no dice over here, but I updated the bug and subscribed you as well
[14:19] <dholbach> I'll have a look at it tomorrow again, now I need to finish some other bits first :/
[14:20] <tumbleweed> dholbach: not building the PDF on JA for now is the easy answer. JA PDFs are a weird special case
[14:24] <dholbach> tumbleweed, I guess you're right
[14:46] <rbasak> I'm going to need linux 3.2.0-30 in precise-updates d-i netboot for maas to deploy highbank correctly. It's got an RTC fix I need, and is in precise-proposed at the moment. What's the policy on bumping d-i in a stable release in order to get a new kernel?
[14:51] <cjwatson> It's already done in -proposed
[14:51] <cjwatson> Would have replied last week but you'd quit IRC
[14:51] <cjwatson> The policy is JFDI
[14:52] <cjwatson> Of course d-i will need to wait for all contained kernels to go to -updates before it can go to -updates itself
[14:59] <cjwatson> But after that we can JFDI the copy
[15:06] <Riddell> mhall119: any idea when we learn about UDS sponsorship?
[15:14] <mhall119> Riddell: hopefully today
[15:45] <rbasak> cjwatson: got it - thanks!
[16:34] <Andy80> hi
[18:06] <dpm> hi cjwatson, would you mind approving the e-mail I just sent to ubuntu-devel?
[20:47] <cc11rocks> Bash script for repetitive bug fixes (instructions and explanations in link) : http://pastebin.com/a6AJQzJg
[20:49] <cc11rocks> Updated, refresh
[20:52] <jtaylor> cc11rocks: don't overdo it with typo fixes
[20:52] <jtaylor> many of them aren't worth deviating from debian
[20:52] <jtaylor> better forward the fixes to upstream/debian
[20:53] <cc11rocks> Can I do both?
[20:53] <xnox> cc11rocks: ubuntu specific packages -> send to ubuntu; if package unmodified from debian -> send to debian/upstream
[20:54] <cc11rocks> So I'll have to look at each package manually beforehand to determine?
[20:55] <jtaylor> in 9X% of cases its a package from debian
[20:55] <cc11rocks> Okay, thank you
[21:01] <bryce> cc11rocks, you could add a script that helps identify where fixes should be sent, and helps forward them the appropriate way
[21:02] <cc11rocks> Eh, have to look this stuff up...
[21:04] <cc11rocks> All I have to run is submittodebian ?
[21:05] <cc11rocks> And I deleted the packages and such that I changed. Can I forward my packages from/through the LaunchPad branches?
[21:07] <jtaylor> just download the branches again
[21:07] <jtaylor> with bzr branch ...
[21:11] <cc11rocks> But "submittodebian" will successfully forward it to debian?
[22:29] <cc11rocks> Is there a Colin Watson here? If so, please PM me (related to Ubuntu/Debian bugs...)
[22:30] <xnox> cc11rocks: his irc nick name is cjwatson and he is here.
[22:30] <cc11rocks> Thank you xnox
[22:31] <xnox> cc11rocks: it's better to actually type your question to start a conversation in a PM.
[22:31] <cjwatson> Yes, although I prefer to talk on channel if it isn't private
[22:31]  * xnox steps away =)
[22:31] <cjwatson> That way others can help
[22:33] <cjwatson> cc11rocks: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/09/03/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t09:48
[22:33] <cc11rocks> I was wondering whether I could submit my changes to both Debian and Ubuntu...
[22:33] <cjwatson> Please don't
[22:33] <cjwatson> Unless it's actually urgent
[22:33] <cjwatson> Otherwise it just duplicates effort
[22:33] <cc11rocks> And yes, that is how I got started from that link
[22:34] <cjwatson> (above discussion - up to maybe 09:57 or so, then it goes off on a few tangents)
[22:34] <cjwatson> I think this is very much our documentation directing you in an inappropriate way
[22:34] <cc11rocks> Should I delete my 30+ requests in LaunchPad then :| ?
[22:34] <cjwatson> If they're all spelling fixes, I think they should all be forwarded to Debian rather than being applied directly to Ubuntu
[22:34] <cc11rocks> Aw, crap
[22:34] <cc11rocks> Alrighty then
[22:35] <cjwatson> It's unfortunate nobody managed to give you better advice before you'd done a ton of work, and I'm sorry about that
[22:35] <cjwatson> The intention of the docs was (as I understand it) to fix up spelling issues like this in Ubuntu-specific packages
[22:35] <cc11rocks> Okay, thank you
[22:35] <cjwatson> In such cases of course the option of forwarding to Debian isn't present and it's fine to work in Ubuntu
[22:35] <cjwatson> You can use rmadison or packages.debian.org or packages.qa.debian.org to see whether the package is in Debian
[22:36] <cjwatson> On the upside you are now presumably thoroughly familiar with branching source package branches and creating merge proposals and such and can re-apply those skills
[22:36] <cc11rocks> Would this work : http://pastebin.com/PeDF5LJK
[22:36] <cjwatson> And it should be possible to extract the actual patches you wrote pretty quickly and reuse them
[22:37] <cjwatson> You don't necessarily have to use submittodebian as such
[22:37] <cc11rocks> It's edited from my old one...
[22:37] <cjwatson> Eh
[22:37] <cjwatson> Not a lot of point doing the whole branching dance
[22:37] <cjwatson> Patches sent to Debian should be against Debian, for obvious reasons :-)
[22:37] <cc11rocks> Here was my old one : http://pastebin.com/a6AJQzJg
[22:38] <cjwatson> If the package is currently in sync between Debian and Ubuntu then there's no difference
[22:38] <cjwatson> It would be quicker to extract patches from your existing branches, surely
[22:38] <cc11rocks> bzr branch lp:debian/$package?
[22:38] <cjwatson> Yeah, or pull-debian-source
[22:38] <cc11rocks> Okay, thanks
[22:38] <cc11rocks> So this will work fine : http://pastebin.com/PeDF5LJK
[22:38] <cjwatson> submittodebian relies on a build having happened
[22:38] <cc11rocks> Oops, meant to ask you to refresh, not repost...
[22:39] <cjwatson> Well, a source package build
[22:39] <cjwatson> I don't think it's appropriate here
[22:39] <cc11rocks> Agreed
[22:39] <cjwatson> Don't commit, just use bzr diff and send that in a bug report
[22:40] <cjwatson> 'reportbug -B debian' can help you file it, or you can see the Debian bug tracking system docs and send mail directly
[22:40] <cjwatson> But, the point of the page you were following was to try to encourage people to contribute to Ubuntu; perhaps you want to find something where directly sending patches to Ubuntu would be appropriate?
[22:40] <jtaylor> cc11rocks: if you forward stuff to debian now don't be let down if the patches won#t be applied swiftly, debian is currently frozen so updates only happen if they are important
[22:41] <cjwatson> It's a cost-benefit trade-off - causing a package to diverge from Debian is a hidden cost because somebody will have to manually merge or sync it later, but that can be offset by a sufficiently beneficial change
[22:41] <cc11rocks> Refresh again and confirm please :)
[22:42] <cc11rocks> I see
[22:42] <cjwatson> I would suggest you try the procedure by hand and then script what works for you, rather than trying to write a script first
[22:42] <cc11rocks> Right
[22:42] <cc11rocks> My bad
[22:42] <cc11rocks> Thank you
[22:43] <cc11rocks> Well, I cannot do anything more today as I have a ton of homework to do
[22:43] <cjwatson> So we often enough take patches for, say, applications that are crashing in Ubuntu, and simply encourage that patch to be submitted to Debian in parallel
[22:43] <cc11rocks> Talk to you guys soon. Thank you cjwatson and jtaylor for your help
[22:43] <cjwatson> Because that's something where having the patch earlier might make a real difference to users
[22:43] <cc11rocks> I see
[22:43] <cjwatson> Or maybe I should say a substantial difference
[22:44] <cjwatson> Spelling errors aren't imaginary :-)
[22:44] <cc11rocks> :P
[22:44] <cjwatson> I don't typically drive the entire cycle from a single script in my normal work
[22:45] <cc11rocks> So how long approximately would it take for a low level fix (spelling error/etc) to show up/be applied/etc?
[22:45] <cjwatson> Depends entirely on the activity level of the maintainer best placed to apply it
[22:45] <cjwatson> Can't really give you an approximation
[22:45] <cc11rocks> Within a month usually?
[22:45] <cjwatson> Can't say
[22:45] <cc11rocks> Okay, thanks
[22:47] <cjwatson> cc11rocks: I do want to emphasise that we appreciate the effort - and I think this is totally our fault (collectively) for the docs being a bit vague on what the point of it is
[22:48] <cjwatson> You clearly have the patience needed :-)
[22:48] <cc11rocks> :)
[22:48] <cc11rocks> No problem.
[22:49] <cc11rocks> I am a Java dev and am scared to get into real bug fixing. Will I be okay if I dove into Python/C++/etc code?
[22:49] <cc11rocks> (Scared because of the language differences)
[22:50] <cjwatson> Poor jamespage might appreciate some help with bugs in our various Java packages, which we currently tend to hurl in his direction :-)
[22:50] <cc11rocks> Also, because of the possible massive references, will I have to learn thousands of codebases to understand a variable, etc?
[22:51] <cjwatson> IME your second language tends to be about half as hard as your first (you have the concepts but have to unlearn a bunch of stuff too); after that it gets progressively easier
[22:51] <cjwatson> Better to learn to search effectively
[22:51] <cc11rocks> I've tried to dive into other languages, but it is very frustrating due to the syntax differences
[22:52] <cc11rocks> it seems to be not worth my time, though in the long run it would be
[22:52] <cjwatson> Variables are usually local to a single codebase; functions are (hopefully) namespaced reasonably rationally so that you can figure out what package they come from, but worst case there's always google
[22:52] <cc11rocks> Already, thanks
[22:53] <cc11rocks> So, to confirm, delete all my bzr branches...
[23:10] <xnox> cc11rocks: keep the branches, for personal reference. Delete/reject the merge proposals.
[23:10] <cc11rocks> I deleted the branches. The merges should be gone. Thank you
[23:10] <xnox> cc11rocks: fair enough. Thank you for your persistence. And sorry for re-directing you so late.
[23:11] <cc11rocks> No problem. Will try to work on it throughout the week, though I'll get most work done this weekend
[23:11] <cc11rocks> Very busy with school and work, so don't know how much I can get done, but I'll make an attempt to do it a bit :)
[23:20] <cc11rocks> If we are supposed to send to Debian, how come the bugs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative got accepted
[23:20] <cc11rocks> ?
[23:21] <cc11rocks> A lot of them have "fixed (andreagrandi)" next to them, indicating they got fixed already through Ubuntu...
[23:23] <jtaylor> they aren't fixed with an upload


[08:11] <bryceh> yay @ #824980
[08:12] <RAOF_> Hah, macbook.
[08:13] <RAOF_> Time to make dinner.
[08:13] <bryceh> well, false gpu lockups are now being labeled as such
[08:13] <RAOF_> They're recovered GPU lockups?
[08:13] <bryceh> that's right
[08:14] <RAOF_> Hooray!
[08:14] <bryceh> well, particularly they're ones where the reporter says "I didn't experience an actual freeze requiring reboot"
[08:14] <bryceh> so, the user *could* be lying
[16:08] <mdeslaur> what gen is ironlake?
[16:10] <Sarvatt> 5
[16:11] <mdeslaur> what a frustrating bug