[19:28] <Gulfstream> what does edubuntu have that is for pre-k age children?
[19:30] <Gulfstream> any educational games?
[21:09] <patrickmw> stgraber, highvoltage: hello, I am testing to latest iso and I am having some difficulties.  any one available to assist?
[21:10] <stgraber> patrickmw: highvoltage will be there in a sec ;)
[21:10] <highvoltage> patrickmw: is that with ltsp-live on i386?
[21:11] <patrickmw> highvoltage: that and a few other things
[21:11] <highvoltage> patrickmw: I noticed you started the test and didn't mark it as passed or failed yet :)
[21:11] <patrickmw> highvoltage: i've been troubleshooting it for a while
[21:11] <highvoltage> patrickmw: well, just shout, we're listening :)
[21:12] <patrickmw> I am doing all my testing in vbox at the moment.  Do you know id edubuntu has had problems running in a virtual environment in the past?
[21:12] <highvoltage> patrickmw: I did most of the testing in libvirt(kvm) and do some testing in VirtualBox from time to time
[21:13] <patrickmw> ok, just wanted to rule that out
[21:13] <highvoltage> patrickmw: I don't have any problems, what happens in your case?
[21:14] <patrickmw> while running ltsp live the VM hangs during the configuration step
[21:14] <highvoltage> patrickmw: how much RAM do you have assigned to the VM?
[21:15] <patrickmw> I have 512
[21:15] <patrickmw> 32 vram
[21:15] <highvoltage> that would explain it
[21:15] <highvoltage> Edubuntu is quite hungry on RAM in the live session
[21:15] <highvoltage> we've been working on improving it
[21:16] <patrickmw> ok, what do you recommend?
[21:16] <highvoltage> but you'll need about 1GB (on the safe side) if you want to try LTSP Live
[21:16] <highvoltage> maybe 900MB, I haven't tested yet after the latest round of improvement
[21:17] <patrickmw> thank you.  based on the behavior I've been experiencing I should have tried that.  I will run these tests again with the new settings.  I will shout if I get stuck
[21:17] <highvoltage> patrickmw: ok, great
[21:41] <patrickmw> highvoltage: I am not having any luck getting my live session to connect to my internal network with my 2nd nic. Did you have to do any additional config for the nic?
[21:45] <alkisg> patrickmw: can you put your dnsmasq configuration file to pastebin?
[21:46] <patrickmw> highvoltage: ok got it. thanks. just had to configure it manually
[21:46] <patrickmw> highvoltage: is that what you would expect most users to do?
[21:57] <highvoltage> patrickmw: no, usually it should work automatically. sometimes there are some problems if you run ltsp live before network manager has settled down
[21:58] <highvoltage> patrickmw: I want to make that a bit more robust before the beta, since we know how to get network manager's status
[22:01] <patrickmw> highvoltage: I'm starting to see why I was volunteered to test ltsp by my team :)  For those of us that don't work on this stuff a lot its a bit tricky. thanks for you help
[22:04] <highvoltage> patrickmw: yeah, thanks a lot!
[22:04] <highvoltage> patrickmw: which team is that, btw? the qa team?
[22:05] <highvoltage> patrickmw: for natty+1 will have a more complete GTK app for ltsp live. the current implementation of it would've ideally been phased out by now, but you can't always get to everything you wanted to in a realease :)
[22:08] <patrickmw> highvoltage: yes, the qa team.  looking forward to what's next! take care
[22:09] <highvoltage> you too, patrickmw


[00:05] <Belboz92> Hey all, I'm trying to modprobe lirc_serial, but it keeps on telling me the device or resource is busy, any ideas?
[00:20] <Stemming78> Trying to install ndiswrapper; "make distclean" from ~/ndiswrapper-1.43 and -1.52
[00:20] <laga> Belboz92: setserial. use it free the device
[00:21] <Stemming78> Geting error: cannot find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/buiild.  Is it configureed?. Stop.
[00:21] <Stemming78> *tried 2 different versions
[00:24] <Stemming78> Think prob may be a result from not having Linux Headers installed...
[00:24] <Stemming78> How should this be entered:  sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[00:25] <Belboz92> laga: sorry, I'm not very familiar with setserial's syntax, could you give me more info on that?
[00:26] <laga> Belboz92: i suggest you check the forums or google, i don't remember it off-hand. if you're using hardy, please file a bug report. it's supposed to be automagic there
[00:27] <Belboz92> k, thanks laga
[00:29] <Stemming78> Nevermind previous comments;  was using the wrong charactor; used ' instead of `
[00:39] <majoridiot> have we seen anything from superm1 tonight?
[00:40] <laga> he's probably at work
[00:40] <rhpot1991> not yet
[00:40] <majoridiot> k.  no idea what his sched is like... will finish up a coupla things and be back in a few.
[00:40] <rhpot1991> I think he is central time, so thats going for 8 there
[00:41] <majoridiot> yes, he's central.  will check back after 8... good timing for me too.
[00:41] <rhpot1991> laga: that worked btw, thanks
[00:41] <majoridiot> biab.
[00:43] <Belboz92> okay, I got the module loaded, now I'm having an issue where lircd dies whenever I try to access the ir blaster
[00:45] <Tuv0k> gotta love that
[00:48] <superm1> back
[00:48] <superm1> hi majoridiot
[00:57] <Belboz92> hey, can anyone assure me that upgrading to Hardy will solve this problem with more ease than trying to figure out wtf is wrong with all this Gutsy stuff?
[01:00] <superm1> Belboz92, can't assure you, but it's likely :)
[01:02] <Belboz92> superm1: thanks, I'm upgrading now :)
[01:04] <Belboz92> 1407 packages to upgrade :-P
[01:04] <Belboz92> 1200MB
[01:05] <Tuv0k> it always helps to try to determine the cause of issues
[01:05] <Tuv0k> cause once you upgrade to hardy, and hit a bump, then what?
[01:06] <Tuv0k> good luck though
[01:06] <laga> Tuv0k: and if you upgrade and it's suddenly working?
[01:06] <superm1> Tuv0k, then we are able to fix said bump :)
[01:06] <Tuv0k> then you just started froma clean slate, that could have happened with a clean install of fiesty
[01:06] <Tuv0k> or dapper
[01:06] <laga> and if you're stuck with a bug when no developer wants to spend time fixing old packages?
[01:07] <Tuv0k> thats if the package was the fault to begin with
[01:07] <Tuv0k> but how would one know, if they just upgraded?
[01:08] <laga> how would they know if they didn't upgrade?
[01:08] <Tuv0k> how would they know if they did?
[01:09] <Tuv0k> if one does not isolate the problem, then they don't know anything about what will or will not fix it is all I was saying
[01:09] <Tuv0k> take it or leave it
[01:10] <Stemming78> Finalizing installation of my wireless card.  What to use WPA2 Personal;  any documentation on setting this up?  thanks
[01:10] <laga> yeah, but isolating the problem is a bit more sensible after upgrading to a version which has seen some bug fixes, especially wrt irblaster support :)
[01:10] <laga> but of course, upgrading can be a bit drastic just to get lirc working
[01:10] <mcquaid> hmm, on reboot my mixer has mic as record capture, not my cd audio line
[01:11] <mcquaid> is there a place to specify what source myth captures audio on?
[01:11] <Tuv0k> mythtv-setup?
[01:13] <mcquaid> i don't see it there. never looked before. didn't have this issue with .20
[01:18] <Tuv0k> mcquaid, as long as you don't mention ubuntu #mythtv-users has some great advice there. They are not as tolerant of not doing your homework first though.
[01:19] <Tuv0k> you get your hand held here
[01:19] <Tuv0k> which is not a bad thing at all
[01:19] <destructar> hi all, i just had some major problems with mythtv after upgrading to 0.21 on ubuntu 7.10 so I reinstalled
[01:19] <destructar> now I can't get my capture card recognized
[01:19] <Tuv0k> uh oh
[01:20] <Tuv0k> where do we start?
[01:20] <destructar> using an HDHomeRun box... after selecting it in mythtv-setup I get a blank menu in Input Connections
[01:20] <destructar> when I go to channel editor and attempt to scan for channels it acts as though it can't see the capture "card"
[01:21] <destructar> however I'm able to detect HDHomeRun box and also ping it so I know it's there
[01:21] <Tuv0k> well the blank menu is the show stopper
[01:21] <destructar> indeed
[01:21] <Tuv0k> this is a clean isntall?
[01:22] <Tuv0k> not an upgrade?
[01:22] <destructar> I'm guessing no as it seems to have saved my menu settings (using the apple tv rip off menu) and also all my channel info from before
[01:22] <destructar> however I did uninstall via synaptic and then install via synaptic (using mythtv 0.20)
[01:22] <destructar> correct it's not an upgrade
[01:23] <Tuv0k> its not a clean install its a upgrade
[01:23] <destructar> also when running the frontend and attempting to watch live tv I get a message that says something along the lines "all inputs are being used"... i'm assuming it relates to not having a capture card working though
[01:23] <Tuv0k> if thats the case, you will need to nuke all the old settings and start fresh
[01:23] <Tuv0k> yeah
[01:23] <Tuv0k> do this first
[01:23] <destructar> ah i see... how the heck do I get this thing uninstalled?
[01:23] <Tuv0k> delete all capture cards
[01:24] <Tuv0k> then readd them
[01:24] <Tuv0k> that should do it
[01:24] <destructar> "unable to delete capturecards for ubuntu"
[01:24] <Tuv0k> do it in mythtv-setup
[01:24] <destructar> ok ran the other option "delete all capture cards" and it seemed to work as I got no error
[01:24] <Tuv0k> now readd the card
[01:25] <majoridiot> ping: superm1
[01:25] <superm1> cheers
[01:25] <majoridiot> hola!
[01:25] <majoridiot> PM?
[01:25] <destructar> after adding the card it takes me back to the "capture cards" menu that shows "new capture card, delete all capture cards on ubuntu, delete all capture cards".... but hdhomerun isn't showing... should it be? I can't remember from last time
[01:25] <superm1> just come join the dev channel majoridiot
[01:25] <superm1> we'll talk there
[01:26] <destructar> (also input connections is still blank)
[01:26] <Tuv0k> destructar, after deleting it readd it as I've repeated
[01:26] <Tuv0k> one step at a time man
[01:26] <Tuv0k> your getting ahead of yourself
[01:27] <destructar> you mean add via mythtv-setup under option 2. Capture Cards, right? that's what I did
[01:27] <Tuv0k> right
[01:27] <Tuv0k> did it show up after you deleted them all?
[01:27] <destructar> no
[01:27] <Tuv0k> are all cards now deleted?
[01:27] <destructar> yes
[01:27] <Tuv0k> k
[01:28] <Tuv0k> now go back to capture cards, and attempt to search for yours
[01:28] <destructar> ok, choosing "HDHomeRun DTV tuner box" from Card Type.
[01:28] <Tuv0k> right
[01:29] <destructar> entered on "finish"
[01:29] <Tuv0k> true
[01:29] <destructar> back to the "capture cards" menu... hdhomerun card is not listed here
[01:29] <destructar> it is as though it refuses to add the card
[01:29] <Tuv0k> odd
[01:29] <Tuv0k> do you have the correct device set
[01:30] <destructar> exactly my thoughts... it's what I was trying to explain further up the chat but failed to convey :)
[01:30] <Tuv0k> as in /dev/video0
[01:30] <destructar> not sure let me check
[01:30] <Tuv0k> or /dev/cideo1
[01:30] <destructar> where do I check that?
[01:31] <destructar> oh i see... for most cards you have that option
[01:31] <destructar> not for the hdhomerun device though
[01:31] <Tuv0k> same place as ...
[01:31] <destructar> it's an external box
[01:31] <Tuv0k> right
[01:31] <Tuv0k> below the cards selection
[01:32] <destructar> yea that option doesn't exist for hdhomerun
[01:32] <destructar> actually yes it does: it has device id which is correctly set
[01:33] <Tuv0k> try changing it
[01:33] <destructar> it's something different than /dev/video[whatever] as it is an external device... just uses a hex id
[01:33] <Tuv0k> ok
[01:34] <Tuv0k> destructar, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HDHomeRun#head-1e1c830e6c6aadfe236d7e56698a762d73e3d7fb
[01:34] <Tuv0k> ever seen that?
[01:35] <destructar> yea tried using it but it didn't help
[01:35] <destructar> i'm thinking that I should just completely reinstall mythtv
[01:36] <Tuv0k> the upgrade was not a good idea
[01:36] <Tuv0k> only I can do that l)
[01:36] <destructar> yea no doubt
[01:37] <destructar> so i'm looking at synaptic and apparently I don't have mythtv-backend-master installed.. should I?
[01:39] <Tuv0k> no
[01:39] <Tuv0k> its not required
[01:39] <Tuv0k> but your database needs to be reconfigured
[01:39] <Tuv0k> and or backed up
[01:39] <destructar> how to reconfigure?
[01:41] <Tuv0k> you'll need to read up on it
[01:41] <Tuv0k> dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[01:42] <Tuv0k> just like anything else
[01:42] <destructar> yea doing it now
[01:42] <Tuv0k> or phpmyadmin
[01:42] <Tuv0k> etc
[01:42] <destructar> actually i guess it's already done... that seemed fast
[01:46] <destructar> ok: reconfigured the database, attempted to add the capture card, no dice.
[01:54] <Stemming78> Need assistance with my Wireless Device...  Have it connecting to the router, but cannot assign an IP.  Could someone look at my /ect/network/interfaces to see if it is correct?
[01:57] <majoridiot> not t
[01:57] <majoridiot> it.
[01:59] <JoshT76> hello
[01:59] <JoshT76> anyone home?
[02:01] <Stemming78> Well, if someone can be of assistance, here are my settings:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61085/
[02:01] <JoshT76> any one else experiencing issues with watching tv doing weird things with the video?
[02:10] <superm1> Stemming78, those are static settings?
[02:10] <superm1> not dhcp
[02:10] <Stemming78> Yah, I can set it using DHCP but am failing when I try and assign the IP address...
[02:11] <Stemming78> Wasnt sure or not if I had gateway or something else configured incorrectly
[02:12] <superm1> looks sane
[02:12] <superm1> and/or correct
[02:12] <Stemming78> strange, must be something with the router than (port not open) or something.
[02:30] <Stemming78> I GOT WIRELESS WORKING!!!  very excited over here.  Ready to turn in my green hat fellas
[02:30] <frank23> quick question: is the mythnettv plugin available in hardy mythbuntu?
[02:31]  * majoridiot wonders if it will survive a reboot
[02:31] <Stemming78> it did!  thats the greatest thing
[02:31] <majoridiot> congrats!
[02:31] <majoridiot> now write down what you did.
[02:31] <majoridiot> before you forget.
[02:31] <Stemming78> Yah, will be a bool
[02:32] <Stemming78> *book
[02:33] <Stemming78> If anyone is needing help, just ask...  I think I graduated today;-)
[02:33] <JoshT76> is there a way to make a php script that will make a podcast/vodcast from the contents of a folder?
[02:34] <majoridiot> if you can code php, i would think so.
[02:34] <famicom> uhg
[02:34] <majoridiot> ;)
[02:34] <Stemming78> not sure if this will help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythExport
[02:35] <famicom> JoshT76, there are better ways of coming out of the closet
[02:37] <JoshT76> that makes this much sense
[02:39] <famicom> the same goes for asking a php question in #ubuntu-mythtv
[02:39] <JoshT76> thanks for the link, i have my iPod file already generated, just lloking for a script that will allow me to use them in a podcast type format
[02:40] <JoshT76> famicom, its related i just didnt type the preface, sorry
[02:41] <famicom> yeah, i shouldnt be a douche either
[02:41] <famicom> but, i guess what you need is a cli oneliner
[02:41] <majoridiot> touche, douche.
[02:41] <majoridiot> hehe.
[02:41] <famicom> first of all, are tthe files you are trying to combine all in the same format
[02:41] <famicom> as in
[02:41] <famicom> all mpeg, all ogg all divex
[02:41] <famicom> or whatnot
[02:43] <JoshT76> i have a user job that ustilizes ffmpeg to convert my recordings to an iPod compatible format and saved into a specific folder as an .mp4 file
[02:44] <JoshT76> i just was curious if anyone had a php script that may dynamically generate podcast/vodcast rss feed based on the contents of this particular folder
[02:46] <frank23> quick question: is the mythnettv plugin available in hardy mythbuntu?
[02:46] <JoshT76> there is something similar called dir2cast that works for mp3s and i was asking if there may be something similar that folks here would use for video from mythtv in this manner
[03:02] <destructar> hi. i think I have royally screwed up my system... tried to upgrade mythtv to 0.21, then uninstalled it via synaptic, then reinstalled version .20, then capture device (hdhomerun) couldn't be detected even after deleting all cards and trying to re-add...
[03:02] <Stemming78> Is there a way to import imdb data from Backend Machine to a freshly installed Frontend box?
[03:03] <Stemming78> *and posters
[03:03] <destructar> ... then removed via synaptic again, installed mythbuntu control centre, still couldn't get capture device recognized... seemed troubles were coming from database so I backed up the db and then removed it from mysql... then uninstalled mythbuntu and reinstalled... now can't connect to database (on install mythbuntu didn't bother to make the db for me again)
[03:03] <destructar> so in short: WTF??
[03:04] <rhpot1991> restore your database backup
[03:04] <destructar> then I'll be back to square one
[03:04] <rhpot1991> well when you upgraded it convereted that to 0.21 scheme
[03:04] <rhpot1991> so you can't use that with 0.20.2
[03:05] <rhpot1991> it made a backup then
[03:05] <rhpot1991> go find them and restore from them
[03:05] <rhpot1991> I believe it left mine in my recordings directory
[03:06] <destructar> hmm why so it did, just found it
[03:11] <destructar> sweet jesus! rhpot1991: i owe you my first born child!
[03:12] <superm1> rather than that, just 'pay it forward' :)
[03:13] <Tuv0k> destructar, you get your tuner back?
[03:13] <destructar> yes
[03:13] <destructar> it was all due to a bad database
[03:14] <destructar> plus now I'm using mythbuntu rather than regular mythtv which i think will make life easier
[03:15] <superm1> well that's the goal at least ;)
[03:15] <Tuv0k> figured it was the db
[03:17] <destructar> yea... that makes total sense now... i thought that upon uninstall the db would be removed and then recreated on reinstall... but no
[03:17]  * rhpot1991 crushes everything wifi related around him
[03:18] <rhpot1991> np destructar
[03:18] <destructar> now the question is: will my hd channels work again? they were seriously messed up upon attempted upgrade to .21
[03:50] <mcquaid> i applied this patch to mythweb's stream module http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5006 which provides nuv streaming by using mencoder instead of ffmpeg
[03:51] <mcquaid> but currently it's behaving the same as with ffmpeg.  it shows the first frame but never plays the video in the flash player
[03:51] <mcquaid> is there a log for mythweb? something that would show the ffmpeg/mencoder requests? i don't see anything in the apache logs
[03:56] <Tuv0k> mcquaid, yeahm its called mythlog
[03:57] <mcquaid> you mean /var/log/mythtv/ ? already looked in there. saw no mention of my streaming requests
[03:57] <mcquaid> thought mythweb might log somewhere else
[03:58] <Tuv0k> its in mythweb
[03:58] <Tuv0k> do you have mythweb up?
[03:58] <mcquaid> yep
[03:58] <Tuv0k> last link to the right
[03:58] <Tuv0k> backend log?
[03:59] <mcquaid> ok in the backend i see this: Could not connect to server "" @ port -1
[04:00] <mcquaid> numerous times. i'm just testing this on a lan.  does a port have to be open for mythweb to stream?
[04:03] <Tuv0k> mcquaid, depends where you are streaming from
[04:03] <Tuv0k> but on a lan , no
[04:04] <Tuv0k> unless you have a firewall on the mythbackend
[04:04] <Tuv0k> generally port 80
[04:04] <mcquaid> no no firewall
[04:04] <Tuv0k> I'm streaming via flash from 30 miles away through a firewall, with only port 22 open
[04:05] <Tuv0k> not able to stream .asx through the ssh though
[04:05] <Tuv0k> thus the flash in the browser viewing
[04:05] <mcquaid> hmm
[04:06] <Tuv0k> I don't want to open port 80 though
[04:06] <Tuv0k> then I'd have to setup a login for mythweb
[04:06] <Tuv0k> and I don't feel up to it just yet
[04:07] <mcquaid> i wonder if the login could be causing the issue. the pkg provided in mythweb allows one to configure a login
[04:07] <mcquaid> this is what i keep seeing when trying to stream
[04:07] <mcquaid> http://www.pastebin.ca/957726
[04:07] <mcquaid> well, i think those errors are referring to my stream attemtp
[04:08] <mcquaid> as i configured a login and you mention you haven't yet
[04:14] <destructar> *sigh*... about to give up for the night... front end was unable to connect to the backend so I restarted... now I can't even run mythtv-setup
[04:14] <destructar> when running this or trying to start front end, process hangs at "new db connection, total 1"
[04:15] <destructar> backend log says "No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP." and tells me to run setup, which of course I can't
[04:15] <Tuv0k> mcquaid, never was asked for a login
[04:15] <Tuv0k> but I believe you guys run "mythbuntu"
[04:15] <Tuv0k> I don't
[04:15] <Tuv0k> just mythtv
[04:15] <mcquaid> i'm running hardy beta with it's .21 in the reps
[04:15] <Tuv0k> I don't go for the prepackaged
[04:15] <Tuv0k> me too
[04:16] <Tuv0k> so you should have more latitude
[04:16] <Tuv0k> I need to learn how to better help others
[04:16] <Tuv0k> I can fix any issue of my own
[04:16] <Tuv0k> others not so much
[04:16] <destructar> "unable to connect to database. driver error" wtf?? "sqlquery::exec database not open"
[04:17] <destructar> mysql is running though
[04:17] <Tuv0k> the login info for your database may be off?
[04:17] <Tuv0k> the frontend and backend pw not matching?
[04:17] <Tuv0k> the database need to be repaired then optimized?
[04:17] <destructar> how to edit this? is there a file to edit? can't run any setup programs
[04:18] <Tuv0k> all things I had to check and double check when I had similar issues
[04:18] <destructar> i'll try to repair i guess... *sigh*
[04:18] <Tuv0k> I use phpmyadmin when and if I can't pull up mythweb
[04:18] <Tuv0k> I even will use webmin to administer my database
[04:19] <mcquaid> make sure /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt has the correct db username password
[04:19] <Tuv0k> I have several methods to do one thing
[04:19] <Tuv0k> thats right
[04:19] <mcquaid> also somehow my mythtv user didn't have privledges for mythconverg db
[04:19] <Tuv0k> it helps to be a little experienced in linux to play with myth
[04:20] <Tuv0k> that also is pertainent
[04:20] <mcquaid> once i fixed that, and made sure mysql.txt was right. everything worked
[04:20] <Tuv0k> the documentation out there for myth is awesome
[04:20] <Tuv0k> so is #mythtv-users
[04:21] <Tuv0k> but if you mention ubuntu too much there, they point you here
[04:21] <Tuv0k> they aren't as nice but very knowledgable
[04:22] <Tuv0k> channel stays axtive
[04:22] <destructar> oh crap
[04:23] <destructar> i just saw my problem... have the ip address set to <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:23] <Tuv0k> :)
[04:23] <destructar> crap... any easy way to change this in a file or somewhere? i have no way of getting in to setup
[04:24] <destructar> apparently setting wrong ip addy in the front end makes for bad experiences
[04:24] <rhpot1991> careful modifying that file
[04:24] <Tuv0k> try http://localhost/mythweb
[04:24] <rhpot1991> mysql.txt that is
[04:24] <mcquaid> i've made some bonehead moves the last few days as well ;)
[04:24] <destructar> mysql.txt doesn't contain the ip addy
[04:25] <rhpot1991> destructar: if its for the frontend you can do that in the setup menu under the frontend
[04:25] <rhpot1991> if thats for a backend, it can be done under mythtv-setup
[04:26] <destructar> i can't run either setup script though... it just hangs while attempting to connect to the database on the wrong ip address
[04:26] <destructar> errors just slowly scroll by on terminal
[04:26] <rhpot1991> destructar: if you let that run long enough I believe it will pop up anyways
[04:26] <rhpot1991> and then you can change it
[04:27] <rhpot1991> provided I am thinking about the same thing as you are saying
[04:27] <Belboz92> Hey all, which IR transmitter do I want to select in the config?
[04:27] <destructar> i see... ok i'll leave it alone
[04:27] <destructar> at this rate I might as well go to sleep first
[04:27] <Belboz92> I have a home-brew IR blaster with a Motorola DCT2224
[04:27] <rhpot1991> destructar: shouldn't take more than a few minutes though
[04:27] <mcquaid> he's probably referring to the bind-address in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[04:28] <Belboz92> Do I want "Command IR:   Motorola Cable Box"?
[04:28] <mcquaid> i make that the actual ip address of the box so other frontends on the network will work
[04:28] <destructar> it's already been at the very least 10... it keeps trying to connect "no error type from sqlerror? strange..."
[04:30] <rhpot1991> destructar: do you have a /home/<your user>/.mythtv/config.xml file?
[04:31] <destructar> yes but it's empty
[04:33] <rhpot1991> there should be a mysql.txt there as well
[04:39] <mcquaid> hmm, i tried watching a stream while looking at wireshark, but didn't see anything relevant as to why streams don't work
[04:40] <mcquaid> nothing in myth's log.  i just connecting ip addy... in the browser i'm trying to watch
[04:41] <destructar> ha! unplugged my internet and then ran mythtv-setup... made it get past all the failed db connections in a hurry
[04:42] <destructar> of course frontend still can not connect to backend server... so i'm still screwed... so I shouldn't be all that excited i guess
[04:54] <destructar> awesome! got it working along with HD
[04:54] <superm1> \\
[04:54] <superm1> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[04:54] <destructar> geez... well that only took the entire night
[04:54] <superm1> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[04:54] <superm1> \
[04:54] <superm1> whoops :) dog
[04:54] <rhpot1991> !pastebin | superm1
[04:54] <ubotu> superm1: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[04:54] <rhpot1991> heh
[05:33] <flower_girl> hey all, I seem to missing all the text on the main menu of both the Frontend and Backend Setup, any ideas?
[05:34] <flower_girl> the menus still work btw, I can get to the TV by pressing enter
[05:34] <flower_girl> oops
[05:35] <foxbuntu> Belboz99, try exiting the frontend and run it from terminal like this: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=OpenGL
[05:37] <Belboz99> foxbuntu: thanks!
[05:37] <Belboz99> what was the problem?
[05:38] <foxbuntu> Belboz99, you need to set the Frontend to use OpenGL
[05:38] <Belboz99> okay, done
[05:39] <foxbuntu> ok..that should take care of things
[05:39] <Belboz99> thanks
[05:39] <foxbuntu> QT is default and doesn't always work
[05:39] <foxbuntu> depending on your video card
[05:39] <Belboz99> ah
[06:12] <Belboz99> hey foxbuntu, I now have video0, video24 and video32 listed in /dev, but video0 won't probe in Mythsetup, any ideas?
[06:12] <foxbuntu> Belboz99, what type of tuner?
[06:13] <Belboz99> Hauppage PVR-150
[06:13] <Belboz99> it was working just fine a minute ago
[06:14] <Belboz99> the system did hang for some odd reason when I went to vi a config file for lirc, but lirc now works
[06:16] <Belboz99> foxbuntu:
[06:16] <foxbuntu> Belboz99, pastebin your dmesg
[06:17] <Belboz99> foxbuntu: only thing I find is this written with every attempt: [ 1021.444128] ivtv0: Failed to initialize on minor 0
[06:18] <foxbuntu> Belboz99, reboot
[06:18] <Belboz99> alright, I'll brb
[06:24] <Belboz99> back, I think
[06:26] <Belboz99> foxbuntu: that fixed it, but do you think it will break again next time I run the channel changer?
[06:29] <foxbuntu> Belboz99, shouldn't, but I suggest enabling the IVTV Driver tweak in Mythbuntu Control Centre, it will reduce the chance of issues with that card
[06:30] <Belboz99> k, thanks
[06:34] <Belboz99> damn, still doesn't change channels :(
[06:36] <foxbuntu> Belboz99, what method did you setup for changing channels?
[09:43] <directhex|work> foxbuntu, curiously, the "no menu text with qt" thing happens on mythfrontend/win32
[14:22] <Aquahallic> Mornin'
[14:23] <Aquahallic> if initramfs blewup and won't let me boot into any kernel.... (can't find root filesystem) is there a way to boot with a cd and repair it?
[14:24] <superm1> yes
[14:24] <superm1> boot the live cd, mount the partition to somewhere
[14:25] <Aquahallic> k
[14:25] <superm1> and then sudo chroot location /bin/bash
[14:25] <superm1> and then in there
[14:25] <superm1> update-initramfs -u -k VERSION
[14:25] <superm1> where VERSION is your kernel version
[14:25] <Aquahallic> k... I tried chrooting in with linux rescue but it wouldn't let me use update-initramfs
[14:26] <Aquahallic> oh and... btw.. laga hit my "smurfs" after hardy upgrade on ATI dead slam on the head
[14:26] <Aquahallic> it jacked my hue
[14:28] <Aquahallic> thanx again superm1
[14:29] <superm1> no prob
[14:29] <superm1> you fixed the blue tint?
[14:29] <superm1> by turning off xv pic controls?
[14:30] <Aquahallic> nope... just my hue was turned all the way down to 0
[14:30] <superm1> ha
[14:30] <Aquahallic> I set it to 50% (where it usually sets by default) and it was fine...
[14:30] <Aquahallic> who'd a thunk it
[14:30] <Aquahallic> lol
[14:30] <superm1> can you add that to the FAQ?
[14:30] <Aquahallic> sometimes it's the SIMPLEST things that stump us the most!
[14:30] <Aquahallic> lol
[14:30] <JGleich> Can/does Ubuntu/MythTV download & playback content from sites like CBS Interactive, NBC's Hulu, etc?  Or do I need additional 'tools' like Miro, VLC, etc?
[14:31] <superm1> JGleich, you need additional tools for that currently
[14:31] <Aquahallic> Yup... I can do that.. it might already be out there... he said he knows about it and it should have been fixed though
[14:31] <superm1> JGleich, and remember those are in flash video format, so i'm not sure how nicely they will play in the internal player
[14:31] <Aquahallic> I pasted my xvinfo to  him
[14:31] <JGleich> superm1: Hi.  For the DL, or the playback or both?
[14:31] <superm1> so you can try at least
[14:31] <JGleich> aha ...
[14:31] <superm1> JGleich, for the download for sure
[14:31] <superm1> playback maybe
[14:32] <JGleich> superm1:  Let's assume I use "another tool", then, to DL the content.  Can MythTV be used to manage the content ... and then invoke a different tool to playback?
[14:33] <hugolp> hi, I am not sure if its how it should be but myth .21 backend its a lot more cpu than .20 backend
[14:33] <hugolp> anyone else have notice?
[14:33] <superm1> JGleich, yes that's possible
[14:33] <Aquahallic> superm1: you want me to post it here??
[14:34] <Aquahallic> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301
[14:34] <superm1> Aquahallic, in the link in there is a FAQ page
[14:34] <hugolp> *eats
[14:34] <superm1> click that and the link in side that link
[14:34] <superm1> hugolp, not on the backend, but the frontend uses more
[14:34] <superm1> see the faq :)
[14:34] <JGleich> superm1: That's good enoughh, then.  Now to find a spare box around here ... thanks.
[14:34] <hugolp> superm1:  then something is wrong with my backend
[14:34] <superm1> best of luck with that JGleich
[14:35] <superm1> hugolp, well is it the transcoding eating up CPU?
[14:35] <superm1> or comm flagging?
[14:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> superm1: not sure I put that in the faqs
[14:35] <superm1> or actual recording
[14:35] <hugolp> I have a Via C3 running only the backend, and I can tell you it eats more cpu
[14:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> guess I'll do that now
[14:35] <Aquahallic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/FAQs
[14:35] <superm1> yup Aquahallic
[14:35] <hugolp> no, no transcoding happeninng, not in a C3
[14:35] <Aquahallic> just click edit and edit that page at bottom?
[14:35] <superm1> yup
[14:35] <superm1> haha hugolp okay.
[14:35] <hugolp> I have the backend configured to not do any type of job
[14:35] <Aquahallic> aight.. I saw that before.. I didin't know if you wanted me editing that page or not
[14:35] <Aquahallic> :)
[14:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> Aquahallic: yell when you are done editing, so I can add words about more cpu usage
[14:36] <Aquahallic> aight!
[14:36] <superm1> hugolp, is it a severe problem?
[14:36] <rhpot1991_laptop> its a wiki, so anyone can edit it
[14:37] <hugolp> superm1:  well, my server runs quite a few programs (myth backend, asterisk, torrentflux, a couple of personal web pages) and now sometimes it gets too loaded
[14:37] <hugolp> before it wasnt happening
[14:37] <EvilGuru> MythTV stores its data in /var/lib?
[14:37] <hugolp> alone the load is not a problem but when everything is running it becomes a problem
[14:38] <directhex|work> EvilGuru, by default
[14:38] <EvilGuru> that is where I will mount my LVM thingy then, thanks
[14:38] <superm1> hugolp, all that stuff on a little C3?
[14:38] <hugolp> yeah :-)
[14:38] <superm1> sounds to me like you are asking for trouble and are lucky this didnt happen soooner :)
[14:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> hugolp: you are crazy
[14:38] <hugolp> but the web pages are for my personal use only
[14:39] <rhpot1991_laptop> upgrade that to a c7 :)
[14:39] <hugolp> rhpot1991_laptop:  send me a donation and Ill upgrade
[14:39] <hugolp> ;)
[14:39] <rhpot1991_laptop> I just sent donations to my own upgrade
[14:39] <rhpot1991_laptop> hugolp: you know about the gPC dev kit?
[14:40] <hugolp> its not that bad, I have asterisk set up so there isnt any kind of transcoding. And mythtv backend to not do any kind of job (transcoding, ad discovery,...) etc...
[14:40] <hugolp> no, whats the gPC dev kit?
[14:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A4842001#
[14:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> gPC is the $200 VIA C7 box from everex
[14:41] <superm1> rhpot1991, oo that'd make a nice cheap new mobo/cpu for a backend
[14:41] <superm1> that's incredibly affordable
[14:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> that there is the mobo/cpu for it
[14:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> superm1: microatx for you too
[14:41] <superm1> you should have told me about that before i spent 110 dollars on that other deal
[14:41] <superm1> for the AMD64
[14:42] <rhpot1991_laptop> I wish it was mini-itx still, but walmart had them put it in a larger case cause their customers equated size of the case with power of the computer
[14:42] <rhpot1991_laptop> superm1: that thing would not play back HD well
[14:42] <superm1> no xvmc?
[14:42] <superm1> its via?
[14:42] <hugolp> rhpot1991_laptop:  I can get a C7 with gigabit ethernet case with pci space, power source, etc... for 120 dollars
[14:42] <rhpot1991_laptop> no tv out for one, and you'd need to use XvMC all the time otherwise
[14:42] <pdragon> not a good backend computer. very low end CPU
[14:42] <superm1> rhpot1991_laptop, VGA out
[14:42] <rhpot1991_laptop> hugolp: got a link?
[14:42] <superm1> that's all i need
[14:42] <superm1> pdragon, i use low end cpus for backend
[14:42] <superm1> my old backend is a 700mhz p3
[14:43] <rhpot1991_laptop> the tv I'd want to put a C7 on needs svideo out
[14:43] <pdragon> don't do HD?
[14:43] <superm1> pdragon, i don't transcode on that backend
[14:43] <superm1> pdragon, but recording HD takes nothing
[14:43] <hugolp> rhpot1991_laptop:  the C7 can indeed play HD the problem is that VIA doesnt have proper drivers for linux, so all the work is on the cpu
[14:43] <pdragon> ahh
[14:43] <hugolp> and then it cant handle it
[14:43] <superm1> hugolp, it isn't supported by openchrome?
[14:43] <hugolp> superm1:  3D and mpeg acceleration is not suported in openchrome
[14:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> hugolp: ya thats what I meant, but in my bad english way of saying it
[14:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> I've heard bad things about the VIA video drivers
[14:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> but I'm still tempted by them
[14:44] <directhex|work> c7 is shite, buying one is a mistake
[14:44] <hugolp> rhpot1991_laptop:  there is even an online sing up asking VIA to release proper linux drivers
[14:44] <directhex|work> so sayeth directhex
[14:45] <hugolp> directhex|work:  so what low consume cpu would you buy?
[14:45] <directhex|work> hugolp, intel
[14:45] <Aquahallic> rhpot1991_laptop: go ahead... I had to reset my password and it's taking a bit to send it
[14:45] <directhex|work> hugolp, intel beats via into a pulp for performance-per-watt with their last-gen stuff. current and next-gen, no contest
[14:45] <hugolp> I have my server 24/7 on, and dont want my electricity bill to go skyrocket
[14:45] <Aquahallic> I'll post it later today.. I gotta head to work... once I fix my initramfs issue I'll post that also
[14:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> alright Aquahallic
[14:46] <hugolp> directhex|work:  ok, but at what price? C7 is old and you can get it very cheap. cheap and low consume, for me is the perfect myth backend
[14:46] <hugolp> and if VIA had proper linux drivers the perfect media player
[14:46] <directhex|work> hugolp, not all mhz are equal. an intel mhz is about 6-10x faster than a via mhz. 7w gets you a 1ghz epia, 8w gets you a 1.06ghz core 2 duo. 2.5w gets you a 1.8ghz dual core Atom
[14:47] <DaveMorris> I use a mini-itx frontend with via chiposet and openchrome no problem at all
[14:47] <DaveMorris> using TV-OUT
[14:47] <directhex|work> give http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=11976 a read
[14:47] <hugolp> ok, I will
[14:47] <rhpot1991_laptop> DaveMorris: SD or HD?
[14:47] <DaveMorris> as to a low powered backend, I've got a p450 with a couple of tuner cards, it runs fine
[14:47] <directhex|work> paying money for idt winchip which hasn't gotten any better in 5 years is embarrasing
[14:47] <DaveMorris> SD since I don't get a HD signal
[14:47] <directhex|work> DaveMorris, i'd take a p2 before a c7
[14:48] <EvilGuru> They probably have similar floating-point performance
[14:49] <Aquahallic> rhpot1991_laptop: aight... I got it.. let me know when you're done and I'll post....lol
[14:49] <rhpot1991_laptop> Aquahallic: go ahead, I haven't started
[14:49] <directhex|work> EvilGuru, the p2 will outperform the c7 on floating point and several basic instructions
[14:49] <Aquahallic> lol... k
[14:49] <directhex|work> EvilGuru, test it for socket performance, no contest
[14:50] <DaveMorris> http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=2#p1646 is what I use on the fronted
[14:50] <EvilGuru> Still skimping on the FPU then, some things never change
[14:50] <DaveMorris> with digital sound out
[14:51] <directhex|work> thing is, they're directly comparable. c7 is a minor update to c3, is a repackaged die-shrunk idt winchip. which was a budget-end p2 competitor for people who wanted to stick with socket 7
[14:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> I wonder how the amd geode compares to the VIA chips
[14:51] <DaveMorris> the reason it does will for me, is our TV signals are broadcast in MPEG2, so it's done in hardware
[14:52] <directhex|work> great, as long as you never want to watch dvd rips or somesuch
[14:52] <DaveMorris> dvd rips have been fine on it tbh
[14:53] <DaveMorris> I use my DVD player for DVD's
[14:53] <EvilGuru> I had a DVD player once, got rid of it as soon as it would not do what I told it to
[14:54] <directhex|work> see, here's the thing
[14:54] <hugolp> directhex|work:  but the problem with VIA is the lack of linux drivers, so trying to play mpeg videos or 3D like Elisa doesnt work cause the cpu is all alone with that
[14:54] <EvilGuru> hugolp: Is that because lack of specs, or just lack of interest?
[14:55] <directhex|work> DaveMorris reads epia as "it's great, it can do mpeg2 decoding in hardware", whereas i read "epia is so low end, it's only able to watch tv using an unreliable mix of drivers and app support and hardware, which allow some assistance with a small selection of codecs"
[14:55] <directhex|work> it's all in the eye of the beholder
[14:55] <hugolp> directhex|work:  there is and old VIA linux program that will allow you to run and old mplayer version (but you have to be root to watch a video...) and it plays mpeg2 with 5-10% cpu
[14:55] <hugolp> EvilGuru:  because of lack of specs
[14:55] <directhex|work> hugolp, i cover VeMP in my review
[14:56] <hugolp> a lot of people was interested on developing VIA linux drivers but they just gave up because of VIA attitude
[14:56] <directhex|work> which is why i have no hesitation in disrecommending them. they offer nothing better than the competition
[14:58] <hugolp> directhex|work:  we agree in that
[14:59] <hugolp> but the problem is that intel low consume procesor allways come with motherboard with intel gpu's (wich are crap)
[14:59] <hugolp> so I have still to find a good low consume system as linux media player
[14:59] <hugolp> (and since I only use linux ...)
[15:00] <directhex|work> hugolp, intel's gpus are better than via
[15:00] <directhex|work> and there are plenty of good reports using them for linux, including HD in myth
[15:02] <hugolp> directhex|work:  no g-sync on intel gpu's
[15:02] <hugolp> directhex|work:  have any link on a low consume intel system?
[15:04] <directhex|work> hugolp, look for intel atom, for their next-gen power-saving architecture
[15:05] <hugolp> directhex|work:  is it at sale allredy or is the future chip?
[15:06] <hugolp> cause Im looking for low consume media players this days
[15:06] <Aquahallic> rhpot1991_laptop: You're up!
[15:07] <EvilGuru> Right, 8.04 beta installed, fantastic!
[15:09] <DaveMorris> hugolp: you could still get a VIA board and stick a Nvidia card in it
[15:10] <DaveMorris> EPIA SN 18000EG 1.8GHz C7 support PCI-E
[15:10] <rhpot1991_laptop> DaveMorris: I wonder what effects that would have on cooling it
[15:11] <DaveMorris> stick a 'The' infront of that
[15:11] <DaveMorris> no idea tbh
[15:11] <hugolp> DaveMorris:  guess its an option
[15:47] <EvilGuru> I am currently setting up my system and am trying to configure video sources (listings), however XMLTV is not listed. I am using 8.04 beta
[15:53] <foxbuntu> EvilGuru, you need to install the XMLTV Grabber first
[15:54] <EvilGuru> foxbuntu: Will do
[15:58] <EvilGuru> Okay done, is there a guide for setting it up?
[16:03] <DaveMorris> EvilGuru: http://www.mythbuntu.org/installation_manual should get you through, although it's from the previous version
[16:06] <EvilGuru> It is more how I set up xml tv itself for my country
[16:09] <EvilGuru> (UK)
[16:16] <DaveMorris> AFAIK you don't se XMLTV for the UK
[16:16]  * DaveMorris slaps himself
[16:16] <DaveMorris> thats schedule direct I was thinking of
[16:16] <foxbuntu> DaveMorris, was going to have to slap you myself
[16:17] <DaveMorris> http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_id.php
[16:17] <DaveMorris> for RT (radio times) and XMLTV in the uk
[16:18] <DaveMorris> I personally use the free transmitted guide in the UK
[16:21] <EvilGuru> No freeview where I am
[16:27] <npurciful> whats goin on
[16:36] <DaveMorris> EvilGuru: you aware you can get freeview over a satellite?
[16:38] <DaveMorris> http://tinyurl.com/29f7ux
[16:43] <EvilGuru> DaveMorris: We can kind of get it, but until the switch over most channels are out of reach (BBC1,2, ITV, C4)
[16:44] <salmanh_> hi
[16:44] <salmanh_> has anybody run myth tv on a linksys/cisco nslu2?
[16:46] <DaveMorris> EvilGuru: sounds like Eastbourne
[16:47] <EvilGuru> DaveMorris: Pitstone (Bucks)
[16:47] <HEP85> I want to enable automatic shutdown. Is it right to enable mythwelcome in /etc/mythtv/settings to do this?
[16:50] <directhex|work> la?
[16:50] <directhex|work> bah
[16:54] <EvilGuru> Hmm, I am trying to create a new video source using XMLTV (radio times), however when I go finish it seems to hang at 50%
[16:54] <salmanh_> has anybody run myth tv on a linksys/cisco nslu2?
[16:56] <HEP85> How do I enable mythwelcome?
[17:00] <directhex|work> EvilGuru, alt-tab
[17:00] <EvilGuru> Nothing
[17:00] <EvilGuru> I had to ssh and kill the process, namely sh -c tv_grab_uk_rt --config-file '/home/freddie/.mythtv/RT.xmltv' --configure
[17:01] <EvilGuru> which if I run it myself gives nonsensical output: config file /home/freddie/.xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt.conf does not exist, run me with --configure
[17:01] <directhex|work> EvilGuru, no, you didn't. the xmltv config runs in the shell which spawned mythtv-setup. you need to switch to that window to configure xmltv
[17:01] <EvilGuru> ok
[17:12] <EvilGuru> Question is how do I execute a command in the terminal window
[17:15] <HEP85> I don't get the question
[17:16] <EvilGuru> I am trying to get MythTV to grab the listings using XMLTV from the radio times. I select everything in the dialog fine, but when I go finish it crashes on fetching the XMLTV information
[17:17] <HEP85> No, I mean the last one
[17:18] <EvilGuru> I think i have worked that bit out
[17:20] <EvilGuru> Right, it does seem to be doing something
[17:54] <Viaken> X crashes when I connect via VNC.
[17:54] <Viaken> Using Hardy
[18:12] <cosmic> hi @ all
[18:12] <cosmic> Is here anybody , who would be so kind to explain me how to force the mythfrontend to create a pidfile ??? is it even possible ?
[18:13] <cosmic> sorry for my bad english
[18:23] <foxbuntu> cosmic, why do you need the frontend to create a pid file?
[18:23] <cosmic> to control it via monit
[18:23] <foxbuntu> it should already create one
[18:24] <cosmic> sometimes it breaks , as the backend does too , then monit restarts it and gives me information about how much resourcess these processes use for themselves
[18:24] <cosmic> I dont , find any pidfile of the frontend ... only of the backend
[18:25] <cosmic> and i dont find any argument like : --pidfile=/var/run/myth.pid .... or something
[18:25] <cosmic> for the frontend
[18:25] <foxbuntu> the actual process is mythfrontend.real
[18:27] <cosmic> oh
[18:27] <cosmic> i think i understand
[18:27] <cosmic> i will have a look at it in a mom ..... by the way foxbuntu , how many TV Cards doe you use ?
[18:28] <foxbuntu> 4
[18:28] <cosmic> witch kind ? DVB-T ?
[18:28] <foxbuntu> nope...Im in the US, DVB doesnt work here
[18:29] <foxbuntu> well...it doesn't work legally here
[18:29] <cosmic> oh
[18:29] <cosmic> i didn't know
[18:29] <foxbuntu> its ok...wish they did
[18:29] <cosmic> so you use analouge Cards ?
[18:29] <foxbuntu> yup
[18:30] <foxbuntu> I have 2 QAM tuners for my digital cable
[18:30] <cosmic> ah
[18:30] <foxbuntu> and 2 analog tuners for everything else
[18:31] <cosmic> what did you want to tell me by : <foxbuntu> the actual process is mythfrontend.real
[18:33] <foxbuntu> cosmic, if you look at 'top' in console, you will find the proccess id and process name mythfrontend.real
[18:33] <cosmic> yap , right
[18:33] <foxbuntu> after I looked at it I think it doesn't create a pid because its really just dynamic content
[18:33] <cosmic> i know the process name , and i find the process PID , but thats not enough
[18:36] <cosmic> dynamic content ?
[18:36] <cosmic> its a binary as every process is ?! , i dont understand sorry ... would you please try to explain your last sentence in different words
[18:36] <cosmic> ?
[18:38] <foxbuntu> cosmic, Mythfrontend is basically an XML library of 'web page like' content, all the grapics and fonts are rendered on the fly
[18:38] <cosmic> ui
[18:38] <cosmic> i didnt know
[18:38] <cosmic> is that really performant ?
[18:39] <foxbuntu> performant?
[18:39] <cosmic> performance ?
[18:39] <cosmic> forget it please ;)
[18:39] <foxbuntu> well...its for performance and for scalability
[18:40] <cosmic> ok i see
[18:40] <cosmic> does your myth - backend OR frontend breack down often ?
[18:40] <foxbuntu> not often
[18:41] <foxbuntu> usually if anything breaks it will be the backend, and that has a pid and a good log file
[18:41] <cosmic> could you define "not often" for me please ? , once a day ? once a week ? , only if you do something special
[18:41] <cosmic> ?
[18:42] <foxbuntu> usually less than once every few months, only when I do something to break it :)
[18:42] <cosmic> your right  with the log file
[18:42] <cosmic> what do you do then ?
[18:43] <foxbuntu> fix it...I am one of the devs on the mythbuntu team, so if i break something its usually because I am testing new code
[18:43] <cosmic> oh , i see
[18:44] <cosmic> i have an new Computer , so i installed as a test mythbuntu 7.10 x64 since three days
[18:44] <cosmic> Thanks for all that WORK , by the way
[18:44] <foxbuntu> cosmic, 8.04 Beta is fairly stable and works quite well...many new features
[18:45] <cosmic> i will when HARDY is avaliable as stable version
[18:45] <foxbuntu> cosmic, thanks...we like hearing good things back from the community that uses our software
[18:45] <foxbuntu> cosmic, only 4 weeks away from that
[18:46] <cosmic> fine, then it is a muss to thank for this good WORK
[18:46] <cosmic> would you tell me on witch part "you" are developing ?
[18:48] <foxbuntu> cosmic, I have done most of my work in the themes, lirc support and some in mythbuntu control centre
[18:49] <foxbuntu> I am working on a new application like mythbuntu control centre to make remotes even easier to setup, I hope to release it durning the 8.10 devolpment cycle
[18:50] <cosmic> good , there is a problem  ! ;)
[18:50] <foxbuntu> cosmic, godo talking but I have to leave now. Let us know if you need more help
[18:53] <cosmic> Thanks very much for your help @ the moment ... i will report on the mailing list .... Have an nice evening .. ant thanks for all !
[19:38] <EvilGuru> Anyone have any advice on debugging TV out problems using an nvidia GF4 card
[19:52] <EvilGuru> I have the card's s-video out connected to a s-video to composite adapter which goes to a 14" TV
[20:11] <Stemming78> I am without video; working with VIA Chipset and not getting video on TV - would like to know HOW I can revert the changes and get back to video on monitor....
[20:11] <Stemming78> *xorg modified
[20:15] <Stemming78> Please help; at the end of my setup and really do not wish to reinstall
[20:25] <nettow0822_> tgm4883 I was talking to you about a problem a couple of days ago about the show selection in the program guide.....
[20:25] <nettow0822_> I would select a show to be recorded and the next day it wouldn't selected
[20:26] <nettow0822_> you gave me a command and I forgot what is was.
[20:27] <tgm4883_laptop> !logs | nettow0822_
[20:27] <ubotu> nettow0822_: Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[20:28] <nettow0822_> ok ty
[20:55] <npurciful> well i am using hardy now, but irexec is killing lircd
[21:00] <npurciful> okay figure out why it dies no how do i fix it. could not get file information for /dev/lirc0
[21:00] <Stemming78> MythVideo and Video Manager are missing after setting up a remote frontend machine; was using FSTAB to "mount" folder on another computer.  Any ideas?
[21:01] <npurciful> you have to install mythvideo on the frontend
[21:25]  * majoridiot drops a pin
[21:31] <majoridiot> 'lo laga
[21:31] <laga> 'lo majoridiot
[21:32] <npurciful> woot! fix lirc
[21:32] <npurciful> s/fix/fixed
[21:33] <majoridiot> sudo /etc/init.d/good_job start
[21:33] <majoridiot> ;)
[21:34] <npurciful> heh
[21:35] <npurciful> ah the hardware.conf has changed for lirc i was trying to used canned one
[21:36] <npurciful> i should have diff the to and i would have known right away instead of spending 45min on it
[21:37]  * npurciful idiot!
[21:37] <majoridiot> then you would have an extra 45 minutes to kill...
[21:38] <npurciful> true, i have one last nitch with hardy, but have to talk to kubuntu devs about that though
[21:39] <Stemming78> npurciful: MythVideo is installed on the Frontend machine...
[21:39] <npurciful> i think you have to share the 'video folder' via the network
[21:39] <majoridiot> correct
[21:40] <Stemming78> Strange issue, but I can browse the videos on the Frontend Machine, but they will not play.  The Backend machine; missing the Video Directory and VideoManager
[21:40] <Stemming78> Shared folder: has music, video, recordings, pictures on Backend
[21:41] <Stemming78> I can play recorded shows on the frontend
[21:41] <majoridiot> Stemming78, info is being pulled from the database
[21:41] <Stemming78> "Video" is shared from another PC; using FSTAB
[21:42] <majoridiot> Stemming78, running myhfrontend from a terminal, what errors do you see trying to watch a video?  also, wht errors in backend log?
[21:43] <Stemming78> can you help with that? commands
[21:43] <majoridiot> open a terminal on the frontend
[21:44] <majoridiot> $ mythfrontend
[21:44] <majoridiot> try to watch a video... on error, exit mythtv
[21:44] <majoridiot> look @ the terminal output
[21:44] <majoridiot> mythbackend logs are in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[21:44] <majoridiot> on the backend machine, of course.
[21:49] <Stemming78> Not finding any errors in the log file...
[21:49] <Stemming78> Shows UPnoMedia: buoldmediamap done. found 210 objects
[21:50] <majoridiot> what about frontend?
[21:50] <Stemming78> Frontend upon exit, not sure if this is of any importance: Destroying SipFsm object
[21:51] <majoridiot> i would think the frontend error would be a little more obvious?
[21:52] <Stemming78> Line entry:  2008-03-26 ... Using Protocol version 40,  Destroying SipFsmObject,  2008-03-26 ... Deketung UPnP client.  That is all
[21:53] <majoridiot> that's *everything* in the terminal window from the time you ran mythfrontend to the time you exited?
[21:55] <Stemming78> Total of 4 entrys; those were the last 3...  First line is connecting to backend server <IP_ADDRESS>:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[21:55] <Stemming78> Other than that, nothing
[21:56] <Stemming78> Major: it seems like I am taking steps backwards with each successful install;  I got the Frontend machine setup and now the backend machine no longer has video.  Got the Frontend to connect wireless, after installing Unichrome now that isnt working...  just at a point where I am throwing my hands in the air...
[21:57] <Stemming78> Only successful install that didnt break something else was configuring the remote control using Xmodmap
[21:57] <Stemming78> What do I do?
[21:57] <majoridiot> one step at a time
[21:58] <majoridiot> what happened to the video on the backend?
[21:59] <Stemming78> Can watch recordings and live tv.... MISSING MythVideo and Video Manager -= Doesnt appear on the menu anywhere....
[21:59] <majoridiot> so install mythvideo plugin
[22:01] <Stemming78> WTF, I could have sworn I did this earlier....  It installed...  Why would that have been removed?
[22:01] <Stemming78> Strange - working again.....
[22:02] <Stemming78> Now, onto the frontend...  wondering if you feel I should start with a fresh install
[22:03] <EvilGuru> Hmm, since I can not get my GF4 working with TV out I think I'll try a 6200 AGP
[22:05] <Stemming78> List of things not working:  MythVideo - cannot play movies...  Wireless is not fuctioning anymore; sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart will not bring up a link however the router is assigning an IP address
[22:06] <majoridiot> i would say fix wireless first.  until that is fixed, the frontend is dead in the water.
[22:11] <mcquaid> never had this before. a recording from earlier today seems to play at proper speed, but the pitch is really low
[22:12] <mcquaid> oprah sounds like she's getting ready to make crank calls, the gf ain't happy i tell ya
[22:12] <mcquaid> recordings prior to that are fine, and so is live tv now
[22:12] <Stemming78> Is there a way to remotely connect to the Mythboxes and have admin rights?  I use WinSCP which only allows "guest" accesss
[22:14] <majoridiot> there are tons of winzode ssh clients
[22:16] <npurciful> anyone here use xvmc with HD sources
[22:17] <Stemming78> will check....  have 3 keyboards and mice on the desk...
[23:07] <Perium> Hello, I used to use Knoppmyth with my system but I recently loaded Mythbuntu 7.10 and for some reason channels that are above channel 14 are all fuzzy.  Any help as to what I need to look at?  I have 2 pvr 150's in my system and both have the same issue
[23:11] <tgm4883_laptop> Perium, did you set your source to cable or broadcast?
[23:11] <WcktKlwn> I made the same mistake...
[23:11] <Perium> ah, let me check
[23:12] <WcktKlwn> it doesn't say broadcast.. it says bcast
[23:13] <EvilGuru> AGP 8x cards are backwards compatible with 4x slots aren't they?
[23:13] <tgm4883_laptop> most
[23:13] <Perium> tgm4883, I had it set to default, i set it to us-cable
[23:14] <Perium> tgm4883_laptop, its reloading now
[23:14] <tgm4883_laptop> well it would depend on what you had set as the default
[23:15] <Perium> tgm4883_laptop, not sure where that setting would be, should be negated anyways by setting it to cable there now wouldnt you think?
[23:15] <tgm4883_laptop> you set the default in general settings, then you can set a per tuner option
[23:15] <Perium> ah
[23:15] <tgm4883_laptop> the per tuner option does take priority
[23:15] <Perium> that makes sense
[23:16] <Perium> I will double check once mythfilldatabase stops running, accidently hit yes
[23:23] <Perium> tgm4883_laptop & WcktKlwn, thanks that fixed the issue
[23:30] <OpenMedia> Hi superm1
[23:30] <laga> hey steve
[23:30] <laga> n
[23:30] <laga> *cough*
[23:35] <free1> do pinnacle usb tuners work with myth?
[23:37] <free1> I have seen the wiki, but it says only ota digital. so if I plug in my standard cable, will it work?
[23:41] <free1> superm1:  whatever happened to the Chicago MUG?
[23:41] <free1> Mario
[23:49] <free1> Mario. Paisan


[00:11] <jcole> oops
[00:36] <DrHalan> mh
[00:36] <DrHalan> i still have this strange mousebgu
[05:52] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: ping
[10:11] <yofel> morning
[10:50] <MIH1406> Hi, Is Kubuntu 10.10 Alpha release? And how to upgrade to an alpha?
[10:56] <yofel> MIH1406: sure https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Alpha2/Kubuntu - you can upgrade with 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d', if it doesn't show maverick you might need to enabel non-LTS upgrades
[11:14] <MIH1406> it is a command line
[11:14] <MIH1406> is there a GUI like Ubuntu?
[11:16] <yofel> MIH1406: we don't have a gui of our own, but you can certainly use update-manager in Kubuntu too
[11:17] <MIH1406> I have many repos add to the default one, can I list packages by repo?
[11:17] <yofel> update-manager-kde in this case
[11:21] <yofel> MIH1406: I doubt kpackagekit can do that, as far as I know ubuntus software-center can do that and muon will be able to do that once it's released
[11:22] <yofel> ah, synaptic can do that too
[11:22] <MIH1406> Yes but they are in Ubuntu I do not like to mix GTK with Kubuntu
[11:22] <MIH1406> :)
[11:23] <yofel> muon will be able to do that, it's a synaptic like package manager for kubuntu currently in development
[11:24] <yofel> as kpackagekit is... rather lacking in features
[11:26] <yofel> MIH1406: you can try it out here https://edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/qapt - works mostly fine, but it *is* still unstable
[11:28] <MIH1406> Oh! That is my wish for Kubuntu
[11:28] <MIH1406> Thank you very very very very much for this good news
[11:30] <yofel> MIH1406: here's a screenshot ;) http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/muon.png
[11:31] <MIH1406> awesome
[13:19] <AzaToth_work> does lucid-backports fall into the category of this channel, or should #ubuntu be the place?
[13:20] <om26er> AzaToth_work, #ubuntu
[13:20] <AzaToth_work> om26er: I see
[13:21] <AzaToth_work> (sadly there is too much OT there atm)
[13:21] <AzaToth_work> om26er: though, anyway, http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/ seems to be empty also :(
[13:22] <AzaToth_work> broken, or does maveric not exists at all yet?
[13:22] <AzaToth_work> k
[13:22] <om26er> AzaToth_work, maverick exists its alpha2 atm
[13:22] <om26er> !maverick
[13:23] <AzaToth_work> om26er: figured that
[13:24] <AzaToth_work> om26er: though I should snatch the svn-buildpackage directly from maverick as it does handle deb3 package formats
[13:24] <yofel> AzaToth_work: packages.ubuntu.com is broken at the moment ...
[13:24] <AzaToth_work> yofel: ok
[13:45] <LucidFox> Okay, I have two questions
[13:45] <LucidFox> 1. Why is my sound always muted when I restart maverick?
[13:45] <LucidFox> 2. Is there any way to make tomboy start minimized to the indicator?
[13:49] <gnomefreak> LucidFox: one minute please
[13:50] <gnomefreak> 1. please see bug 455420
[13:50] <gnomefreak> as for 2. im not sure
[13:50] <gnomefreak> please confirm that bug
[13:58] <om26er> with sound muted any saved sound preferences are also removed
[14:24] <charlie-tca> Xchat for 64bit is missing today?
[14:26] <patdk-wk> well, xchat-common
[14:26] <patdk-wk> xchat-gnome works fine :)
[14:35] <charlie-tca> yeah... xchat-common takes out the real xchat
[14:54] <secher> Morning all.  Quick question.  When the screensaver kicks on, I am logged off.  Not locked, logged off, as in all programs closed and primary logon screen shown when I move the mouse or hit a key to stop the screensaver.  Nothing readily shown in Google.  Anyone have any ideas?
[14:55] <secher> 10.10, btw
[14:55] <secher> current updates.. Just FYI am loving 10.10 despite the few bugs (remmina not starting, etc.)
[14:57] <patdk-wk> strange, remmina works fine here
[14:58] <secher> patdk-wk: whoops, I just updated this AM, and lo and behold, works fine again.. :)
[14:58] <secher> Didn't try yet today..
[14:58] <MeeGoMee> Hi, I am in a serious trouple
[14:58] <patdk-wk> hmm, last update here was yeasterday
[14:59] <MeeGoMee> I have upgraded to Kubuntu Alpha Using update-manager -d
[14:59] <MeeGoMee> And now I cannot login
[15:00] <MeeGoMee> Can you help me?
[15:01] <secher> MeeGoMee: YOu need to define  "Now I cannot login"  what do you mean?  You enter your password and the computer responds that your password in incorrect?  You get a black screen and cannot enter your password/userid?
[15:02] <MeeGoMee> I clicked from the boot menu Ubuntu (With the latest kernel) and If I see the Kubuntu logo It freezes for long time
[15:03] <secher> Ok, so kubuntu is not taking you to a login screen even.. just the splash screen, where it sits and does not continue to a login screen?
[15:04] <MeeGoMee> After that I worked with recovery mode and selected "Use default (generic) configuration" for reconfiguring my display hardware and now it give me a black screen
[15:04] <secher> completely black, or are there words on it?
[15:06] <MeeGoMee> Now, after the splash I see vertical clorded lines
[15:06] <MeeGoMee> If i clicked Esc it bring me a completely black screen
[15:07] <geser> LucidFox: re 2: why not use the tomboy applet?
[15:08] <LucidFox> Because it's a) disabled in Maverick and b) the indicator integrates better
[15:08] <geser> hmm, my tomboy applet is still there and works and I'm using maverick
[15:09] <Daekdroom> I disabled the old tray area :D
[15:09] <Daekdroom> Pretty much everything I use has some sort of integration to the messaging menu
[15:09] <secher> Ahah, now we're getting somewhere.  Sounds like your drivers are not liking your video card.  Did you by any chance write down which partitions you used for which mount points, i.e. /dev/sdb1 for /home?  Csue I think you may be in for a rebuild, mainly because you clearly don't have the knowhow to boot to single user mode and recover the system and I doubt anyone is going to take the time to walk you through it.  imho.  I could be wrong however..
[15:09] <secher> s/Csue/Cause/g
[15:10] <geser> the tomboy applet didn't use the notification area, it's a applet of it's own
[15:11] <MeeGoMee> no everything is in one place
[15:15] <MeeGoMee> i.e. /dev/sdb1 for /
[15:17] <MeeGoMee> any help?
[15:20] <MeeGoMee> secher: finally i got it, thank you for your help "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" solved it
[15:22] <secher> MeeGoMee: If you couldn't log in, how did you do that?
[15:22] <secher> Oh, nvm, gone.
[15:23] <secher> Hrm, dammit, screensaver booted me out again.  Feh.  Kk, headed out.  Peace.
[15:57] <MIH1406> Hi, I want to connect to a wireless lan using command line through recovery mode
[15:58] <MIH1406> hello
[15:59] <charlie-tca> You propably need to use iwconfig then
[15:59] <charlie-tca> man iwconfig for details
[16:00] <MIH1406> charlie-tca: thanks you
[16:01] <MIH1406> another thing is that I cannot activate my graphics driver ati
[16:01] <MIH1406> I got this msg: SystemError: installArchives() failed
[16:01] <charlie-tca> from command line?
[16:02] <charlie-tca> hmmm
[16:02] <MIH1406> no from KDE "Hardware Drivers"
[16:02] <charlie-tca> oh. I don't really know anything about kde
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> it shouldn't be kde-specific, the jockey internals are the same for both, and this looks like the package failed to install for some reason
[16:04] <popey> /4/41
[16:05] <popey> bah!
[16:05] <MIH1406> yes I do not mean that is KDE related but I mean the GUI in KDE
[16:05] <MIH1406> can I activate using command line?
[16:06] <MIH1406> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:06] <MIH1406>  fglrx
[16:06] <MIH1406>  fglrx-amdcccle
[16:06] <charlie-tca> If the repositories are enabled, it should work from the gui
[16:07] <MIH1406> can I siwtch to a command line and logout the Kubuntu so I can work only using terminal
[16:07] <charlie-tca> As far as I know, you can no longer install from command line, but I am probably wrong about that
[16:07] <charlie-tca> You should be able to switch using Ctrl+Alt+F2 to get to a command line only terminal
[16:08] <charlie-tca> You have to login with username and password to use it
[16:08] <MIH1406> and X shutdown?
[16:08] <charlie-tca> Not necessary to shutdwon X if you don't want to
[16:09] <MIH1406> I want to remove fglrx and isntall it again!
[16:09] <charlie-tca> Should be a logout then
[16:15] <MIH1406> back
[16:15] <TommyThaGun> is there a way to make my second monitor have it's own panel?
[16:16] <MIH1406> I removed fglrx and fglrx-amdcccle and installed them again but I have a problem
[16:16] <MIH1406> the problen is "apt-get" is tring to config "fglrx-amdcccle" but it complain that "fglrx" is not yet configured
[16:16] <MIH1406> how can I config "fglrx"?
[16:17] <charlie-tca> MIH1406: I don't know that one
[16:18] <charlie-tca> TommyThaGun: Maybe you have to create a new panel on the monitor?
[16:19] <TommyThaGun> charlie-tca, that just crates it on the main monitor
[16:19] <TommyThaGun> and I can't find a way to move it to the other monitor. I want to be able to have a bottom panel with the apps that are running on one monitor on that monitor's panel
[16:24] <MIH1406> charlie-tca: thank you
[18:31] <DrHalan> is anyone suing network-indicator?
[18:34] <Melodist> seeing*?
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> The GPL comes without any warranty, so I could hardly see how you could sue it. [/jackarse] :P
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> but no, I'm not using it since I use KDE
[18:35] <Melodist> oooh, is maverick KDE much better?
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> I always find the next KDE better than the last, but I'm a diehard KDE fan
[18:37]  * patdk-wk never liked kde
[18:37] <patdk-wk> I tried it, but I dunno, it just rubs me wrong
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> but yeah, I couldn't resist making fun of the typo. sorry :(
[18:37] <DrHalan> GNOME + Docky is the best :)
[18:37] <DrHalan> +Compiz (Expose is really awesome to swithc windows)
[18:38] <Melodist> I switched out docky for cairo
[18:38] <Melodist> but yeah thats basically my set up, although i really want to see what gnome3 does
[18:39] <DrHalan> well i dont really like gnoem shell
[18:39] <DrHalan> but gtk 3 will be awesom
[18:39] <DrHalan> rgba windows :)=
[18:39] <DrHalan> + zeitgeist is nice to
[18:39] <Melodist> you know what i havent figured out yet
[18:39] <DrHalan> finally a search app that gives me answers to questions like "what site was i browsing when i was at my friends house"
[18:40] <Melodist> why are there no rainbow themes for either system. it seems like a popular enough idea U:
[18:40] <Melodist> :weird:
[18:40] <DrHalan> both my chairs are broken >.<
[18:40] <patdk-wk> yuk
[18:40] <Melodist> you should get some comfy chairs
[18:41] <Melodist> and a fez
[18:41] <Melodist> and a bowtie
[18:41] <DrHalan> a fez?
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> Fezes are cool
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> as are bowties
[18:41] <DrHalan> i have no idea what either of those things is ^^
[18:42] <Melodist> :>
[18:42] <Melodist> Watch doctor who like jon :>
[18:47] <Halan> Just have that prefix becauss somebody took my actual nickname
[18:48] <Halan> maverick is just awesome. except for taht wired mousebug i have
[18:50] <Melodist> o:
[18:50] <Melodist> so it hasnt like
[18:50] <Melodist> crashed all over the place for you?
[18:51] <Melodist> I've wanted to test it out, but i dont wanna trash my system :S
[18:55] <Halan> yeah its pretty stable here
[18:56] <Halan> but atm there are a lot of gnome 2.30 packages still hanging around
[18:56] <Halan> lets see what happens when they get upgraded
[19:47] <laberkopf> guten abend
[19:47] <laberkopf> english here?
[19:47] <laberkopf> can someone help me with this?_: http://nopaste.info/25bb9b7d37.html
[19:51] <pvandewyngaerde> try adding nopat as a kernel option at boot
[19:51] <Halan> keine ahnung ob ich getötet werde wenn ich mit dir deutsch rede ^^
[19:52] <Halan> my did you run nvidia-xconfig?
[19:53] <yofel> laberkopf: Halan: we *do* have #ubuntu-de+1 you know...
[19:54] <Halan> yofel:  is that one even more quiet than this one? :P
[19:54] <laberkopf> yeah but its nearly empty..
[19:54] <yofel> Halan: a lot more quiet :P
[19:54] <Halan> :D
[19:54] <Halan> lets just talk english ^^
[19:54] <laberkopf> well i tried nvidia-xconfig a hundred times but no effect
[19:55] <Halan> and how is nouveau working?
[19:55] <laberkopf> hmm.. well no difference
[19:56] <BUGabundo> evening
[19:56] <laberkopf> each time i sstart the system the login manager says that ists impossible to find out the settings
[19:56] <yofel> laberkopf: you mean failsave-x with nouveau?
[19:57] <laberkopf> öhm?
[19:57] <laberkopf> well
[19:57] <yofel> laberkopf: some gtk box telliing you that x failed to load and what it should do with a few things to choose from
[19:57] <laberkopf> thanks for help but now i will install the old version
[19:57] <laberkopf> yes this box.
[19:58] <laberkopf> okay.
[19:58] <laberkopf> maybe i should wait with new installing
[19:58] <yofel> with nouveau that would be the fault of the gfxpayload setting which default was changed
[19:58] <Halan> try removign the nividia-* packages so nouveau gets forced
[19:58] <laberkopf> apt-get remove nvidia-* right?
[19:59] <Halan> normally sudo apt-get remove nvidia-current should be enough
[19:59] <laberkopf> and then restart?
[20:00] <laberkopf> i cant restart onlxy x becaus of this F***in login manager
[20:00] <laberkopf> i want kdm.. but it ignores it
[20:00] <laberkopf> my english sucks..
[20:00] <laberkopf> reboot
[20:05] <laberkopf> so
[20:05] <laberkopf> now.. the same failsafe-x box appeard
[20:06] <pvandewyngaerde> laberkopf:  try adding nopat as a kernel option at boot
[20:06] <laberkopf> but now only 800x600px of the monitor are used
[20:06] <laberkopf> the rest is black
[20:06] <laberkopf> damn.
[20:06] <laberkopf> brb reboot
[20:09] <laberkopf> well
[20:10] <laberkopf> no difference
[20:11] <laberkopf> same problem even with nopat
[20:12] <yofel> laberkopf: you're on nouveau now?
[20:12] <laberkopf> dunno
[20:12] <laberkopf> how to find out?
[20:13] <yofel> laberkopf: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:13] <laberkopf> kay
[20:13] <laberkopf> well
[20:13] <laberkopf> there ist 0 1 2 3 4 5 99 and failsafe xorg log
[20:13] <yofel> anyway, can you try to add 'GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text' to /etc/default/grub - run 'sudo update-grub' and see if that helps?
[20:14] <laberkopf> well in wich file?
[20:14] <laberkopf> and in which line?
[20:15] <laberkopf> sry
[20:15] <yofel> laberkopf: I said the file: /etc/default/grub, line doesn't matter
[20:15] <yofel> I mean, add it in a new line
[20:16] <laberkopf> okay
[20:16] <laberkopf> done
[20:16] <laberkopf> now reboot?
[20:17] <yofel> yes
[20:17] <laberkopf> okay
[20:17] <yofel> you did run update-grub?
[20:17] <yofel> I hope he did..
[20:33] <Halan> xD
[20:36]  * yofel hopes that he didn't give the system the final push...
[20:41]  * BUGabundo pushes yofel harder
[21:10] <TommyThaGun> Is there a way to make my second monitor have it's own panel? I want to be able to have a bottom panel with the apps that are running on one monitor on that monitor's panel.
[22:00] <duffydack> Is there a way to have the notification for volume control look how it looks when using the panel volume control, like same as the theme.


[00:13] <cjwatson> StevenK: Help?  Upgrading dogfood results in http://paste.ubuntu.com/1018822/
[00:13] <cjwatson> 'column "private" of relation "bug" does not exist'
[00:15] <cjwatson> Hmm.  Which is odd, given that there's no such COMMENT in devel
[00:15] <cjwatson> Urgh, OK, ton of conflicts, never mind
[00:17] <wgrant> cjwatson: Ah yeah, it was used for some emergency pre-cowboy QA. reverting it all should work
[00:19] <cjwatson> Does anyone care about keeping a copy, or just 'bzr revert'?
[00:20] <wgrant> bzr revert
[00:26] <cjwatson> OK, it's running again now, thanks
[01:13] <wgrant> cjwatson: Are you sure we have a new enough dpkg?
[01:13] <wgrant> cjwatson: This code is run on appservers too.
[01:14] <cjwatson> I was just wondering that.  I think, though, that the only problem with the version on appservers is that it doesn't know that armhf matches any-arm.
[01:15] <cjwatson> Which is annoying but no worse than today.
[01:15] <cjwatson> It should know that armel matches any-arm, which is an improvement.
[01:15] <wgrant> Also, shelling out randomly to bits of dpkg doesn't strike me as a truly marvellous idea, but perhaps my doubts in its security are unfounded today.
[01:16] <cjwatson> The arguments are strictly controlled here, and there doesn't exist a better interface.
[01:16] <cjwatson> And dpkg-architecture is not particularly complex.
[01:17] <cjwatson> Either trying to parse /usr/share/dpkg/*table or extending the previous broken parser is IMO a worse idea.
[01:18] <cjwatson> If there were a python-dpkg I'd use it :-)
[01:22] <cjwatson> I've just checked dpkg-architecture's behaviour if given a pathological argument to -i (containing ;, `, newline).  It reads the argument unmolested and doesn't do anything silly with it.
[01:22] <wgrant> Yeah, it seems OK.
[01:23] <cjwatson> So I do think this is safe.  But if you think there's a real security concern then of course feel free to revert.  I'm going to be away from ~8 hours from now until late Tuesday.
[01:23] <wgrant> Shouldn't you be away until Wednesday? :)
[01:23] <wgrant> No, I think it's OK, but I am wary of dpkg nowadays.
[01:23] <cjwatson> Well, I mean technically I'm back home on Tuesday.  Probably won't be doing much that evening.
[01:24] <wgrant> dpkg-architecture seems to have avoided the horribleification that abounds in most of the rest of dpkg nowadays.
[01:25] <cjwatson> It might be worth patching in a bit more armhf understanding here, but I don't think it's desperately urgent.
[01:25] <wgrant> Right.
[01:25] <cjwatson> Only two packages in quantal are using any-arm* at all.
[01:26] <wgrant> But we now need to be sure to upgrade the appservers with any new dpkg stuff that we previously only had to push out to Soyuz.
[01:26] <cjwatson> (picolisp, scsh-0.6)
[01:26] <cjwatson> Hmm.  Can you think of a sane alternative, if that's particularly painful?
[01:27] <wgrant> No.
[01:27] <wgrant> It's just a change from what we've done in the past.
[01:28] <cjwatson> Also, does http://paste.ubuntu.com/1018886/ look like a vaguely reasonable queue binary override API, based on our earlier conversation?
[01:29] <cjwatson> If that's usable then I think I have an approximately usable replacement for queue.
[01:30] <wgrant> cjwatson: That looks pretty good. Doesn't handle overrides differing between archs, but hopefully you don't care about that...
[01:31] <cjwatson> Not really.  OTOH if we actually want that then we can override individual queue items.
[01:31] <cjwatson> (This is on PackageUpload.)
[01:32] <wgrant> Yeah, but delayed copies etc.
[01:32] <wgrant> All the builds in a single upload.
[01:32] <cjwatson> I'm not sure I've ever tried overriding a delayed copy :-)
[01:32] <cjwatson> Maybe I should given the chaos with kernel copies.
[01:33] <cjwatson> Yeah, for those I don't think we need arch-specific handling anyway.
[01:33] <cjwatson> If we do in future I could add an architecture key.
[01:33] <wgrant> Yep
[01:34] <cjwatson> queue-api LoC +486 and scripts/ftpmaster-tools/queue + lib/lp/soyuz/scripts/queue.py = 862, never mind whatever tentacles that has elsewhere ...
[01:34] <cjwatson> I'll see about getting that in for review on Wednesday, then.
[01:37] <wgrant> Excellent.


[12:05] <Laney> cjwatson: I got around to writing that script so it's easy to add new transitions now. We can add pages for the other transitions if you want.
[12:07] <cjwatson> Laney: oh, yes, please do.  I'm using http://paste.ubuntu.com/609451/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/609452/
[13:26] <Laney> up now
[13:53] <doko> Laney: could you setup a page for libffi5/libffi6 too?
[13:53] <Laney> doko: yes, can you provide the is_affected/good/bad lines?
[13:53] <doko> and then there's libobjc2/libobjc3, but that can wait
[13:53] <doko> Laney: is there any docs for these?
[13:54] <Laney> not really i'm afraid
[13:54] <Laney> should be easy to figure out from the existing transitions
[13:55] <Laney> .field ~ /regexp/ | ... basically
[13:57] <doko> Laney: what does the .package mean?
[13:57] <Laney> doko: it means that there's a binary package matching regexp
[13:57] <Laney> usually you'll just want .build-depends and .depends
[13:57] <Laney> openssl is probably a good one to look at
[14:01] <cjwatson> Laney: yay, thanks
[14:01] <Laney> :-)
[14:02] <Laney> we'll probably want a separate branch for the .ben files i suppose
[14:06] <doko> Laney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/609501/
[14:07] <Laney> ty
[14:08] <Laney> added, should show up at the next cron run
[16:14] <Laney> doko: http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/transitions/libffi.html does that look right?
[16:15] <doko> $ apt-cache rdepends libffi5|wc -l
[16:15] <doko> 205
[16:15] <doko> strange ...
[16:18] <Laney> look at grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends -sPackage libffi-dev ...
[16:19] <doko> interesting ... :-/
[16:20] <Laney> haskell stuff seems to get a binary dep without BDing
[16:21] <doko> wondering if we can do with an empty b-d field
[16:28] <cjwatson> you could do  is_affected = .depends ~ /libffi/;  maybe
[16:28] <cjwatson> I assume is_affected is basically just a performance optimisation
[16:28] <cjwatson> or .build-depends ~ /libffi/ | .depends ~ /libffi/
[16:30] <doko> interesting syntax
[16:32] <Laney> it's so you don't see a list of every source package
[16:33] <Laney> not sure if is_affected looks at binaries though
[16:33] <Laney> might as well try
[16:36] <cjwatson> you know your implementation language is too obscure when it's easier for *somebody who works on a functional language* to just try it and see what happens
[16:38] <Laney> the problem is more that I'm trying to do real work concurrently ;)
[16:38] <ScottK> What is this 'real work' you speak of?
[16:38] <ScottK> Oh.  Right.  Better get some of that done myself.
[17:08] <Laney> that seemed to help :-)
[17:08] <Laney> although you can ignore the haskell ones