[00:00] <me1900> im hoping the rtl-sdr package will work
[00:00] <me1900> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libs/rtl-sdr
[00:00] <wxl> and it doesn't work?
[00:01] <me1900> i dynno
[00:01] <me1900> don't know
[00:02] <wxl> then why are you potentially making more work for yourself?
[00:03] <me1900> because i want to figure out the best way to do things withint hardware specs.
[00:03] <wxl> and you think that an unsupported security hazard is the best way?
[00:04] <me1900> computers in general either way have security risks
[00:05] <wxl> exactly, so you want to encourage more of them?
[00:06] <me1900> why you so argumentative? i dont feel like thats encouraging anything on the negative side of the teeter totter
[00:06] <wxl> i'm not being argumentative. i'm questioning why on earth you would want to create more work and more problems for yourself. you don't even know that what you have DOESN'T work.
[00:07] <wxl> if you really don't care, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases
[00:07] <me1900> thank you and if it was that much of a hazard those wont be there
[00:08] <wxl> one could argue that
[00:08] <wxl> one could also argue it's there for achiving
[00:08] <wxl> keeping in line with the general philosophy of open source
[00:08] <wxl> ubuntu has a record of old releases
[00:08] <wxl> but they make VERY CLEAR they are unsupported
[00:08] <wxl> it's a use at youor own risk kind of thing
[00:08] <Sachiru> Just my 2c
[00:09] <Sachiru> If it works in 10.10, it most certainly works in 12.04
[00:09] <wxl> yep
[00:09] <wxl> consider this: xp's not supported. would you use it anyways?
[00:09] <Sachiru> And you'd have less setup headaches (and headaches in general) if you stick to newer releases, compared to older.
[00:09] <me1900> i am right now not even bothered with infections
[00:10] <Sachiru> As for newer = more bloat, not really, especially with linux
[00:10] <Sachiru> @me1900: My concerns aren't even with security
[00:10] <Sachiru> But with general hardware support
[00:10] <Sachiru> Drivers for 10.10 are certainly much less polished compared to those for later releases.
[00:10] <wxl> not to mention there are often improvements in future releases that better use resources
[00:10] <Sachiru> General system stability is higher with the newer releases.
[00:11] <wxl> yep
[00:11] <me1900> ubuntu keeps reporting wrong cpu frequency i go to windows it reads correctly
[00:11] <Sachiru> What version?
[00:11] <me1900> 14 does anyway
[00:11] <Sachiru> What specific laptop model do you have anyway?
[00:11] <Sachiru> And does it report the wrong frequency even if you run it from a live CD?
[00:11] <wxl> dell latitude d610
[00:12] <me1900> dell latitude d610 Pentium m 1.73ghz single core ATI X300 PCI express 16x 1gb ram
[00:12] <me1900> 533mhz fsb
[00:12] <Sachiru> No
[00:12] <Sachiru> I mean
[00:12] <Sachiru> Specific laptop model
[00:12] <Sachiru> For example: Latitude d610-XXXX
[00:12] <me1900> oh
[00:12] <Sachiru> Where XXXX denotes a specific revision
[00:13] <me1900> heck i cant find the service tag
[00:13] <me1900> i have to reboot to the bios
[00:13] <me1900> in windwos right now
[00:13] <wxl> use dmidecode
[00:13] <wxl> oh
[00:13] <wxl> well, nevermind
[00:13] <wxl> that would be for linux
[00:14] <me1900> installing wmic
[00:14] <me1900> windwos found sevuice tag let me google it
[00:14] <Sachiru> BTW
[00:15] <Sachiru> What linux filesystem supports transparent compression?
[00:15] <Sachiru> Besides ZFS?
[00:15] <Sachiru> (and yes I know ZFS isn't a "linux filesystem" but there is ZOL)
[00:15] <wxl> yikes dunno but my experience with zfs, even in ubuntu, has been positive
[00:16] <Sachiru> Hmm.
[00:17] <Sachiru> Would you recommend it for production use?
[00:17] <wxl> i've used it in a production environment, admittedly for backups
[00:18] <Unit193> Btrfs is the Linux version of ZFS, but it's not quite there yet.
[00:18] <Sachiru> Hmm.
[00:18] <Sachiru> My concern about using it for production is this
[00:19] <Sachiru> The box I'll install at has 8GB RAM, and three VMS (consuming around 4GB of RAM all in all) will reside on it
[00:19] <Sachiru> So available RAM would be around 4GB only
[00:19] <Sachiru> I heard ZFS becomes unstable below 8GB RAM, and since I have only 4GB usable I'm a bit leery about using it
[00:20] <me1900> let me reboot to bios search by seervice tag not giving me anything
[00:20] <me1900> 5W1TZ91
[00:23] <Sachiru> @wxl: For your box that has ZFS, how large is your storage pool and how much RAM did you allocate to it?
[00:54] <kDycuLaptop> Hey, I'm trying to install lubuntu variant (specifically Pinbox) and running into this error (initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system.
[00:54] <kDycuLaptop> any ideas?
[00:55] <kDycuLaptop> we've tried booting from the cd and booting from a couple of different USB sticks and the error persists
[01:00] <me1900> all i could find is the motherboard revision
[01:00] <ianorlin> !md5
[01:00] <me1900> dell OM7181
[01:11] <danux> guys why is this ? http://i.imgur.com/9JQphcp.png
[01:18] <danux> hello
[01:19] <ianorlin> danux: what video driver are you using?
[01:20] <danux> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 18)
[01:20] <danux> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108M [GeForce GT 540M] (rev a1)
[01:31] <danux> ianorlin:  last night this worked fine , could this be a hardware failure ?
[01:31] <ianorlin> maybe
[01:31] <ianorlin> might try a livecd of something to see if it is  a driver issue
[02:10] <Sachiru> Does the Lubuntu LiveCD use more RAM compared to a native installation?
[02:10] <Sachiru> Or is it essentially the same?
[02:10] <Sachiru> Also I noticed that Lubuntu has ZRAM on by default (nice). I don't see any guide on configuring how much RAM to dedicate to ZRAM though (not so nice)
[02:13] <Unit193> Sachiru: It's all in the upstart job.
[02:13] <Sachiru> And the config for that resides where? I'm not familiar with upstart.
[02:14] <Unit193> Not so much config, but /etc/init/zram-config
[02:14] <Unit193> (.conf)
[02:14] <Sachiru> Hmm.
[02:14] <Sachiru> It's.. empty
[02:14] <Sachiru> Not even a comment.
[02:15] <Unit193> Should come in the package 'zram-config', dpkg -L zram-config to see the packages files.
[02:16] <Sachiru> Thanks
[02:31] <Unit193> Sachiru: Also, with zswap, why use zram? ;)
[02:38] <Sachiru> Wait, wait
[02:38] <Sachiru> I thought ZSWAP was deprecated?
[02:39] <Sachiru> ZRAM is compressed SWAP device residing in RAM, aka compressed RAM, correct?
[02:40] <Unit193> Basically.
[02:43] <Sachiru> How is it different to ZSWAP?
[02:43] <Sachiru> Also how can you configure ZRAM to use LZ4 instead of LZO?
[02:44] <Unit193> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18437205/difference-between-zram-and-zswap
[03:09] <Sachiru> @Unit193: I intend for it never to hit disk, though
[03:34] <wxl> Sachiru: sorry i disappeared. don't remember. i'd have to go look it up
[03:34] <Sachiru> No problem
[03:35] <Sachiru> Have you tried simultaneous ZRAM and ZFS?
[03:35] <Sachiru> Or is your storage box dedicated to storage?
[03:35] <wxl> it's dedicated
[03:51] <Sachiru> Ah
[03:51] <Sachiru> No need for ZRAM then
[03:52] <Sachiru> Everything to ARC
[04:35] <Sachiru> Sigh
[04:36] <Sachiru> Using alternate installer to install to USB drives in raid.
[04:36] <Sachiru> Always fails at "installing software packages" step. Attempting to install grub fails as well.
[04:36] <Sachiru> LVM it is then.
[05:36] <gomaaz> hi there
[05:38] <randi> hi
[05:40] <randi> ha sthe nm-applet in the panel been resolved ?
[05:41] <gomaaz> yes
[05:41] <gomaaz> just add again to your default lxde session startups
[05:42] <randi> yah, nothing happened before with that addition
[05:42] <randi> i cant even remember how I connected
[05:43] <gomaaz> just figured it out some days ago....still a linux noob ^^
[05:43] <randi> me too, so you just added again and it worked this time huh ?
[05:44] <randi> Thanks, I'll give it a try
[05:44] <gomaaz> the graphical way would be: settings menu - default applications for lx session
[05:45] <gomaaz> then "autostart" and add a new startup command at the top
[05:45] <gomaaz> "nm-applet" thats it
[07:24] <counter> hi
[07:34] <counter> I like to use gnome keyring to unlock my public ssh keys at login, but after entering the passphrase there is no keyring window ..., the gnome keyring daemon is running
[08:00] <Sachiru> Can anyone help?
[08:01] <Sachiru> Got the system to install via Lubuntu alternate installer disk. Linux RAID1 of 2 flash drives, volume group system, logical volumes bootFS (150MB, mounted as /boot) and rootFS (6999MB, mounted as /). Devices are sda and sdb
[08:01] <Sachiru> Somehow I cannot install grub to the flash drives.
[08:02] <Sachiru> Anyone know of a solution?
[08:48] <cristian_c> Hi
[08:48] <cristian_c> I've purchased a Rii mini i8 bluetooth keyboard
[08:49] <cristian_c> How can i enable the keyboard in lubuntu?
[08:49] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[08:49] <cristian_c> I've paired it
[09:13] <gsilva> cristian_c, do you have your bluetooth drivers installed?
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> i recently install lubuntu on a laptop for someone and had to manually add nm-applet to startup items to see wifi networks, is this a known issue on lubuntu?
[09:40] <gsilva> yes, it is
[09:40] <onla`> o.O
[09:40] <gsilva> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> gsilva: tnx mate
[09:41] <gsilva> np :)
[09:41] <onla`> wonder if that concerns me
[09:41] <gsilva> has anyone installed Spotify on 14.04? I get an error message
[09:42] <gsilva> E: Type 'http://repository.spotify.com' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/spotify.list
[09:42] <gsilva> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[09:42] <onla`> I am gonna start use wifi as default inet connection on next weekend. I already tested it by installing wicd network front end or something called like that.. and I put it in the autostart apps. I think I just opened it and scanned networks
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> gsilva: maybe add the line manually on software sources?
[09:43] <gsilva> I get an error saying that something went wrong to fetch the server
[09:44] <gsilva> to try again with a working internet connection
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> gsilva: sudo apt-get update maybe
[09:44] <gsilva> same error
[09:45] <onla`> http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/spotify
[09:45] <gsilva> tried it again, and... E:Type 'http://repository.spotify.com' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/spotify.list, E:The list of sources could not be read., E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[09:46] <gsilva> I'll try downloading the ppa
[09:48] <gsilva> is the package down or am I the only one that can't download it?
[09:48] <gsilva> nor open 32 bit files?
[09:53] <onla`> donno, haven't tried
[09:53] <onla`> not on linux atm
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> gsilva: try adding the line manually deb http:/... in your software sources maybe
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> maybe due recent spotify problems, they closed for a while?
[09:54] <onla`> what probs they have had
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> wasnt there a security issue with spotify recently?
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> think ive read somewhere
[09:55] <onla`> ok
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> not sure it affects ubuntu security
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> onla` gsilva : http://www.businessinsider.com/spotify-security-breach-android-app-2014-5
[09:58] <gsilva> I got their email
[09:58] <gsilva> well, the message says something like 'this is a serious problem...'
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> maybe they work on security, as it doesnt work for your ppa
[09:59] <gsilva> I got a stop sign in the top bar
[09:59] <gsilva> is that okayish?
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> gsilva: that just means there's an issue with downloading updates, had it on 12.04 also
[10:00] <gsilva> yes, if I click there I get the same error message in regard to spotify only
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> maybe wait a few days and retry spotify
[10:00] <gsilva> already rebooted the computer and everything seems working fine
[10:00] <gsilva> Also, the spotify problem was only for their mobile apps
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> yes but maybe they tighten security overall now
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> you know how these things go
[10:01] <cristian_c> gsilva, but keyboard and adapter are paired
[10:01] <gsilva> have no idea how could that affect ubuntu's distribution, since it's not official for them
[10:01] <cristian_c> gsilva, bluetooth is active
[10:01] <gsilva> but nevermind, I'll wait
[10:01] <cristian_c> gsilva, but I don't know how to enable the keyboard
[10:01] <gsilva> Then I have no idea what's going on cristian_c :\
[10:02] <cristian_c> ok
[10:02] <gsilva> Perhaps it's not available for newer versions yet
[10:02] <cristian_c> gsilva, I've not understood
 Perhaps it's not available for newer versions yet
[10:03] <gsilva> well, 14.04 it's a new version yet
[10:03] <cristian_c> gsilva, can you explin better this point? :-)
[10:03] <cristian_c> *explain
[10:03] <gsilva> fuck, my neighbors are doing some construction at their appartment... I swear to god I'm going to turn Led Zeppelin to the maximum at 2 am some day
[10:03] <gsilva> Drilling at 8 am it's unfair...
[10:04] <gsilva> Well, sometimes newer versions are not prepared for some peripherals like bluetooth drivers and stuff like that.
[10:06] <counter> someone know to use gnome keyring or something similar in lubuntu ?
[10:08] <cristian_c> gsilva, ok, but bluetooth drivers are generic
[10:08] <cristian_c> not specific for a particular device
[10:08] <cristian_c> driver are for the adapter, not device connected via bt
[10:09] <gsilva> I have no ideia buddy, I'm not expert on those matters :\
[10:10] <cristian_c> ok
[10:10] <gsilva> sorry though
[10:10] <cristian_c> no problem :)
[10:15] <counter> I searched, and it looks like the same problem over here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1601632
[10:28] <counter> seahorse says: Message: DNS-SD initialization failed: Daemon not running
[10:30] <gsilva> reboot
[10:31] <counter> I rebooted, same message again
[10:59] <counter> has no one an idea? :/
[11:20] <goarilla> does somebody in here know how to recreate the isolinux/bootlogo file
[11:21] <goarilla> which arcane arguments do I need to pass to gfxboot
[18:15] <SaXx__> Hey
[19:32] <Platypus-Man> I got a very cryptic error, both on Lubuntu and regular Ubuntu.. any idea how to proceed from here? "??? ???" http://bildr.no/image/d3NjNGlJ.jpeg
[19:33] <Platypus-Man> install target is a new notebook that came with Windows 8.1, but my uncle really disliked that OS... I've changed BIOS settings from UEFI to legacy mode, but that didn't help, also no Secure Boot or anything
[19:35] <ianorlin> are you using 64 bit?
[19:37] <Platypus-Man> yes,but it's a brand new laptop, so should be able to handle it
[19:38] <ianorlin> good you should be using 64 bit for uefi have you gotten it to boot the cd or usb?
[19:39] <Platypus-Man> using a USB thumbdrive, it doesn't have a CD-ROM
[19:40] <Platypus-Man> used unetbootin to burn the iso (which was downloaded with bittorrent, so md5sum should be ok)
[19:43] <Platypus-Man> and for the record, I've also tried to install from the boot menu, and also from the installer within the Live envrionment, but the same error appears
[20:35] <comics_idees> can I run portable win apps in PlayOnLinux ?
[20:39] <comics_idees> I have some portable apps that you just click the .exe file and they run without installation. Will those apps work in PlayOnLinux?
[20:39] <comics_idees> I want to use those apps in lubuntu
[20:44] <ianorlin> oh Platypus-Man I think this is a gpt/mbr issue since lubuntu expects a mbr when booted with legacy boot
[20:45] <ianorlin> comics_idees: I don't know until you try some thinks work with play on linux and some do not
[20:46] <Platypus-Man> don't know what it was pre-formatted as, (120 GB ssd), but shouldn't the installer format it regardless?
[20:47] <ianorlin> I think it is usally installed uefi mode on windows 8
[20:48] <ianorlin> lubuntu 64 bit will install in uefi mode so maybe switch to that and it may be able to
[20:48] <Platypus-Man> ok, will try that
[20:51] <Platypus-Man> still get the error
[21:09] <Platypus-Man> on a whim I want to guess unetbootin casues the issue.. just remembered that on previous occasions when burning *buntu variants with unetbootin, I got unexpected install issues, but when burning the iso with *buntu's USB Startup Disk Creator or whatever it's called, it worked
[21:10] <Platypus-Man> but sadly I don't have any GNU/Linux machines up and running right now
[21:12] <Platypus-Man> if that's not it, I might have to check with BIOS updates.. though I've read about people getting it to work ootb with ie SlackWare
[21:25] <Platypus-Man> after further digging, it was set up with RAID0.. I deleted the RAID array in BIOS, and changed a setting from RAID to AHCI
[21:25] <Platypus-Man> *fingers crossed that it actually helps*
[21:27] <Platypus-Man> success :D
[21:28] <Platypus-Man> at least didn't get an error where I used to.. but, now I need to figure out RAID0 in *buntu, but Google will probably be enough help for that
[21:28] <Platypus-Man> thanks for the support, I'll probably be back sooner or later with more issues :p
[22:46] <silverlion> gn8 and tc
[22:46] <silverlion> ;bye | all
[22:46] <silverlion> ;bye all


[08:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[13:39] <foobarry> brobostigon: do you plot the number of online users in this chan too?
[13:40] <foobarry> be interested to see if there's been a downward trend in last couple of years
[13:40] <brobostigon> i do not, no.
[13:40] <foobarry> sure there used to be around 130 on average
[13:40] <brobostigon> ok,
[13:41] <popey> you could proably go back over irclogs.ubuntu.com and see how many people spoke
[13:43] <foobarry> when freenode splits and rejoins it tends to annouce the no of people in the join
[13:44] <popey> not logged unfortunately
[13:44] <foobarry> meh
[13:44] <foobarry> doesn't matter
[13:45] <popey> i agree with you though
[13:45] <popey> things are quieter
[13:45] <foobarry> and summer is quiet still of course
[13:47]  * popey tickles bigcalm
[13:47] <foobarry> irc is in decline generally i suppose
[13:48] <shauno> last I heard most irc networks were in decline, but freenode was bucking the trend
[13:48] <foobarry> http://royal.pingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/irc.001.jpg
[13:48] <popey> 570616
[13:49] <foobarry> http://royal.pingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/irc.002.jpg
[13:49] <foobarry> shauno: ^^
[13:49] <shauno> ah yes, that's the exact article :)
[13:49] <popey> what do people use instead?
[13:49] <popey> MSN ? ☻
[13:50] <popey> heh, I just pinged someone on MSN who I haven't spoken to for some years
[13:51] <shauno> I Think facebook's pretty much eaten everything at this point
[13:51] <popey> yeah
[13:51] <foobarry> that should go into reverse soon ,
[13:51] <shauno> even people I used to talk to on google talk/chat/whatever, I talk to on fb now that google have broken federation
[13:51] <foobarry> i was messaging some people recently and only 2 have seen the message
[13:52] <foobarry> the other 3 haven't installed facebook messenger on their phone
[13:52] <popey> my wife only uses fb messenger now
[13:52] <popey> although she went to a party and someone introduced her to whatsapp
[13:52] <popey> she came home and asked why I'd never shown it to her!
[13:52] <foobarry> although my phone delivers fb messages still witohut the separate app
[13:52] <foobarry> cos its expensive ... $0.99 per year!
[13:52] <popey> I've started using telegram
[13:53] <foobarry> telegram sucks for group messages
[13:53] <popey> people pay for it?
[13:53] <foobarry> whatapp charge you after 1 yr of use
[13:53] <popey> news to me
[13:53] <foobarry> at least telegram doesn't have th esilly artificial restrictions of twitter
[13:55] <foobarry> or all phone types, WhatsApp is free to download and try for the first year. After, you have the option of extending your subscription for $0.99 USD per year.
[14:08] <DJones> Is it safe to remove the ubuntuone indicator from the top  bar in 14.04? and if so what the best safest method? Synaptic lists ubuntuone-client and ubuntuone-client-data as being installed
[14:08] <popey> yes
[14:08] <popey> remove both
[14:09] <DJones> And ubuntuone-control-panel?
[14:09] <popey> ya
[14:09] <popey> you dont need any of them
[14:09] <DJones> Ta
[14:09] <DJones> To be removed includes ubuntu-desktop is that just the meta-package
[14:10] <popey> oof
[14:10] <popey> i thought we already removed it from the seed
[14:10] <DJones> That comes from complete removal of ubuntuone-client-data
[14:10] <popey> i guess not then
[14:11] <DJones> I think maybe I may leave it for a while & see if I can find a guide for that, certainly don't want to remove ubuntu-desktop
[14:12] <DJones> Ubuntuone-client wants to remove deja-dup-backend-ubuntuone and ubuntuone-control-panel
[14:13] <popey> makes sense
[14:14] <DJones> ubuntuone-client-data wants to remove deja-dup-backend-ubuntuone, python-ubuntuone-client, python-ubuntuone-control-panel, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-sso-client-qt and ubuntuone-control-panel
[14:17] <DJones> Removing ubuntu-desktop seems somewhat bad looking at the "depends" for the package http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ubuntu-desktop
[14:18] <popey> it wont remove those too
[14:19] <popey> i thought we had this sorted with an update
[14:19] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/309122/removing-ubuntu-one
[14:21] <DJones> I'll give that 1st answer a go, 58 upvotes looks positive
[14:24] <DJones> Thanks popey, worked a charm
[14:25]  * DJones upvotes popey
[14:28]  * foobarry removes it too
[14:29] <foobarry> signs in to upvote and notices u1 logos on the openid pages
[14:30] <foobarry> 60 upvotes :P
[14:39] <popey> U1 does still exist
[14:39] <popey> it's only the file sharing bit that shut down
[14:42] <foobarry> and notes :(
[14:43] <foobarry> look out for the vulcan
[14:43] <foobarry> on its way to bournemoth
[14:44] <foobarry> just passed newbury
[14:52] <popey> grrr, utopic desktop is not using the nvidia driver for some reason
[14:53] <popey> nvidia driver installed and built.
[14:53] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8188295/ xorg.log
[14:53] <popey> [    12.756] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
[15:08] <foobarry> those uujkji~.
[15:09] <foobarry> woops. lost internet
[15:24] <Buffy743687> Slight problemo /uk  http://paste.ubuntu.com/8188486/
[15:26] <foobarry> Buffy743687: did you succesfully change thepassword?
[15:27] <Buffy743687> no
[15:27] <Buffy743687> It said I had a token manipulation error.
[15:27] <foobarry> maybe you changed the root password
[15:27] <foobarry> To reset your password type this in
[15:27] <foobarry> passwd <username>
[15:27] <foobarry> did you do that?
[15:28] <Buffy743687> yes .. but I didn't change the password using sudo .. Is that what you mean ?
[15:29] <foobarry> i wondered why the To reset your password type this in
[15:29] <foobarry> woops
[15:29] <foobarry> i wondered why the lost password link didn't work
[15:30] <foobarry> on help.ubuntu
[15:31] <foobarry> using init=/bin/bash at the end of grub line
[15:31] <foobarry> then changing the password
[15:43] <Buffyy34257> foobarry: Still problemos .. you there .. I pinged out for 5 minutes, sorry.
[15:50] <foobarry> are you following the directions exactly?
[15:55] <Buffyy34257> I believe so .. I tried several times .. including the appending the grub menu .. What is a token Manipulation error, then ?
[15:59] <foobarry> try passwd -d <username> first
[15:59] <foobarry> to delete the password
[16:00] <Buffyy34257> foobarry: Oh maybe notit says cannot lock /etc/shadow .. I'm am sorry I am a new user.
[16:02] <Buffyy34257> foobarry: It Says=  passwd: cannot lock /etc/shadow; try again later.
[16:04] <Buffyy34257> I only have four hours to sort this mess out . I'm in a bit of a fix .
[16:05] <moreati> Buffyy34257: What's the output of this command? ls /etc/*.lock
[16:07] <Buffyy34257> No such file or directory  .. ls: cannot access /etc/*.lock
[16:07] <Buffyy34257> I may need to mount first .. but I am at my username .. alright.
[16:08] <Buffyy34257> back soon .. dinner just pinged. #nomnomnom
[16:09] <moreati> Buffyy34257: mount? Did you boot from a LiceCD or something?
[16:09] <moreati> *LiveCD
[16:09] <Buffyy34257> no .. standard install .
[16:09] <Buffyy34257> 14.04 desktop +Unity
[16:11] <Buffyy34257> here's wat I did : http://paste.ubuntu.com/8188486/  Althou I may have just altered the 'root' password thou ? #notAquestion .. but you get my meaning.
[16:13] <moreati> Unless you did something unusual, then the user called root has no password on Ubuntu
[16:15] <Buffyy34257> fair enough .. but wat does " Token Manipulation error " sound like to you ?
[16:15] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/91188/authentication-token-manipulation-error
[16:15] <moreati> Buffyy34257: What does the command prompt you're at say. Type it or paste it exactly as you see it
[16:16] <popey> fs is mounted ro probably
[16:16] <popey> need to mount -o remount,rw /
[16:16] <popey> then do the passwd change
[16:16]  * popey goes to play games
[16:16] <Buffyy34257> root@FseidScreeuyn:~#
[16:16] <Buffyy34257> cheers popey
[16:17] <moreati> Buffyy34257: popey's almost certainly right
[16:17] <moreati> (price I pay for taking the long route)
[16:20] <Buffyy34257> I dont understand wat to put on the grub 'linux' line after pressing 'e' ..
[16:21] <Buffyy34257> after the root=UUID= ...  it says ro  quiet splash $vt_handoff
[16:21] <Buffyy34257> where do I put it in there ?
[16:21] <moreati> Buffyy34257: you don't need to do anything at grub. You're already at the command prompt where you type that remount command
[16:21] <Buffyy34257> Oh Ok .. will do.
[16:30] <Buffyy34257> how do I know that is has mouned .. what command s that to find out ?
[16:31] <Buffyy34257> **mounted .. please ?
[16:31] <moreati> mount | grep ' / '
[16:31] <moreati> note the spaces between the quote marks
[16:33] <Buffyy34257> it Says " /dev/sda1 on / type ext 4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)  .. have I done that part, then ?
[16:34] <moreati> yes, rw means "read write"
[16:35] <Buffyy34257> I'm typing # mount -o remount,rw /                  at the terminal hash sign. Oh .. O .. proceeding as planned then .. hang-on ..
[16:37] <Buffyy34257> no it didn't work .. the password prompt just comes back up again .. Huh ?
[16:38] <Buffyy34257> It said it changed it successfully though .. go figure. (?)
[16:38] <moreati> reboot and try it
[16:39] <Buffyy34257> I shall try a complete shut down then stating it up again at the log-in screen.
[16:39] <moreati> Buffyy34257: sorry, that's what I meant
[16:40] <Buffyy34257> It says something about skipping 'mount' Is that something I need to be worried about ?
[16:40] <moreati> I don't know, without the full message
[16:41] <Buffyy34257> Just a startup thing .. nothing serious .. anyway back to the log-in screen.
[16:41] <Buffyy34257> Interesting.
[16:42] <Buffyy34257> When I type the password in improperly it ust refreshes the "Password Box" however ..
[16:43] <Buffyy34257> When I type my new password in 10x "z" .. It just goes blank for a second then return to he same log-in screen .. two passwords (one correct) .. same resulting login screen ..
[16:44] <Buffyy34257> However when I type the correct password in It negates to say " Invalid password, please try again " .. which it does when I type the Password in incorrectly .
[16:44] <moreati> Buffyy34257: press Ctrl+Alt+F1, try the password at the command prompt
[16:45] <moreati> Ctrl Alt F7 to return to the GUI
[16:45] <Buffyy34257> yes!I'm In .. that did it.
[16:46] <moreati> right so your password is working, but Ubuntu can't load your desktop (.e.g. Uunity, KDE etc)
[16:46] <foobarry> next things to check might dmesg, disk free (df) and xserver logs.
[16:47] <Buffyy34257> it says " signature ot ound in user keyring "  OK .. what command Do you want me to bash out ?
[16:47] <moreati> Buffyy34257: at the command prompt run ls - does it show the correct contents of your home directry?
[16:47] <Buffyy34257> it says ..
[16:48] <Buffyy34257> Access-Your-Private-data.desktop  .ecryptfs  .Private  README.txt
[16:48] <Buffyy34257> I did " ls -a "
[16:49] <popey> ruh roh
[16:49] <moreati> oh right, you had encryption setup then
[16:49] <Buffyy34257> Rowing tonight ?
[16:49] <foobarry> maybe having a scooby snack
[16:49] <moreati> Scooby do speak for Uh oh!
[16:50] <moreati> Buffyy34257: do you care about the contents of this home directory?
[16:50] <Buffyy34257> There are files that I want to keep .. but privacy .. No.
[16:51] <moreati> Buffyy34257: Do you have backups of those files?
[16:51] <Buffyy34257> Not yet.
[16:51] <foobarry> what you've esentially done is what a thief can do to your laptop
[16:51] <Buffyy34257> That was this weekend's plan , actually.
[16:51] <foobarry> if the files are encrypted, you can't access them without password
[16:52] <Buffyy34257> So there no way back .. if you forget your password, it would seem ?
[16:53] <foobarry> no, since you are in the same position as the thief atm without yuor old password
[16:53] <moreati> The whole point of an encrypted home is that you can't see the contents if you don't have the password
[16:54]  * Buffyy34257 consults bits of paper furiously around the lounge for clues :O
[16:54] <popey> yeah, you need the old password
[16:55] <popey> then you can do this http://askubuntu.com/a/383269
[16:56]  * popey goes out for curry.
[16:57] <foobarry> mmm curry
[16:58] <popey> nom nom http://www.gurkhapalacerestaurant.co.uk/
[17:01] <hirectdex> gah, another freeview renumbering?
[17:04] <foobarry> i havemnt retuned in yonks
[17:05] <foobarry> maybe ~1yr
[17:05] <foobarry> rescanned
[17:22] <Buffyy34257> foobarry: Well I can't find it .. but there a $10 bounty going if anyone wants the mithering ? http://ow.ly/ATAsB
[18:21] <Buffyy34257> bye bye Septemberists.
[18:26]  * Myrtti raises an eyebrow
[19:24]  * popey returns from curry
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> curreh
[19:40]  * foobarry returns from drwho
[19:58] <foobarry> i need to find out how to block "hot on google" posts
[19:58] <foobarry> they are all chicks firing guns lately
[19:59] <ali1234> https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1686118?hl=en-GB
[20:01] <foobarry> ta
[20:01] <foobarry> non intuitive
[20:01] <ali1234> it's the same as muting posts from someone you follow
[20:02] <foobarry> i already had fewer, but the gun loving yanks just decided it for me
[20:03] <ali1234> i had to mute my "canonical" circle during the edge campaign because they would all repost the exact same article every day and flood my stream
[20:05] <foobarry> heh
[20:05] <foobarry> yeah, i think i muted castro, bacon et al around the same time and didn't unmute after
[20:05] <ali1234> g+ really needs to detect when everyone shares the same thing and only show it once
[20:05] <foobarry> yeah
[20:06] <foobarry> and a few other improvements needed
[20:11] <popey> yeah, it could do with a de-dupe


[01:29] <diddledan__> humpy bumpy boo
[01:29] <daftykins> diddledan: https://www.dropbox.com/s/toqqrifxm1bys7a/IMG_20151204_011355.jpg?dl=0
[01:29] <daftykins> it's officially cold, now
[01:29] <diddledan__> awww
[01:29] <diddledan__> so cute
[01:30] <diddledan__> I would love something like that humansized
[01:31] <daftykins> XD
[01:31] <daftykins> do you have any idea how big the claws would be O_O
[01:31] <diddledan__> lol
[01:31] <diddledan__> I was referring to the snuggly, not the feline :-p
[01:32] <daftykins> ;D
[02:12] <diddledan__> so apparently yahoo messenger still exists
[02:14] <daftykins> yup, brings me back to my youth that one
[02:14] <daftykins> horrific smilies, everyone was 14/f/cali...
[02:14] <diddledan__> lol
[02:14] <diddledan__> 14/f/cali <-- that takes me back
[02:15] <diddledan__> the other one was aol instant messenger
[02:15] <daftykins> i always resisted that one!
[02:15] <diddledan__> lol
[02:15] <daftykins> i don't think my time on ICQ was long either
[02:16] <diddledan__> I never really got along with ICQ
[02:16] <diddledan__> tho I still remember my number
[02:16] <daftykins> same
[02:17] <diddledan__> I used their IRC service for many years however
[02:17] <diddledan__> that was where I met shauno
[02:17] <daftykins> i remember watching a 'TV series' based on IRC + ICQ chat, (the scene) which always had them using the 'off/on the record' addon for ICQ or some such
[02:18] <daftykins> looked like tinfoilers to me ;D
[02:18] <diddledan__> lol, I remember that
[02:18] <diddledan__> was entirely based on screen recordings IIRC
[02:18] <daftykins> yep
[02:18] <daftykins> sometimes webcams
[02:20] <diddledan__> I recall ICQ had an evil typewriter noise for every time you pressed a button
[02:31] <daftykins> ah my #1 action on installing IM was to 1) disable emoticons 2) disable sounds 3) disable notifications
[02:47] <m0nkey_> diddledan__, your plex is broken
[02:51] <diddledan__> m0nkey_: might be bandwidth restriction of my pipe?
[02:52] <diddledan__> you could try fiddling with the transcoding settings
[02:52] <m0nkey_> I can't get anything to play
[02:52] <diddledan__> hmm
[02:52] <m0nkey_> Let alone fiffle with it.
[02:52] <m0nkey_> I meant to say fiddle, but fiffle seems more appropriate.
[02:53] <m0nkey_> ok, now it works
[02:54] <diddledan__> odd. I just loaded the local webui, but haven't done anything else
[02:54] <m0nkey_> I've just realised I've never fully watched Star Wars Ep4
[02:55] <m0nkey_> Ugh, Microsoft are switching from per socket to per core licensing on Server 2016..
[02:56] <m0nkey_> OK, your Star Wars episodes are messed up.   Been using Freesat out of habit because our last house had really awful reception
[09:51] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Wildlife Conservation Day! 😃
[09:52] <davmor2> JamesTait: there is this cheeky one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_JF8oSxXtM
[10:00] <Laney> seriously
[10:00] <Laney> this person reading the news on radio 4 atm has a terrible bunged nose
[10:00] <Laney> get him off the air!
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> have a complimentary basket of vicks inhalers sent in...
[10:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:57] <diddledan__> hmm, I'm cold :-(
[10:57] <diddledan__> morning
[11:11] <awilkins> Clearly you're not playing enough video games
[11:11] <awilkins> More games == more heat from the back of your "dustbuster" GPU card
[11:11] <awilkins> More heat == less cold
[11:13] <Seeker`> I play games to warm my room
[11:14] <Seeker`> inefficient but fun
[11:20] <diddledan__> y'all are geeks :-p
[11:26] <Myrtti> newsflash
[11:28] <Seeker`> :O it's a Myrtti
[11:28] <Myrtti> Always
[11:28] <Seeker`> how's things?
[11:29] <Myrtti> all in all fairly positive :-)
[11:38] <davmor2> Myrtti: allow me to make things a little more meh for you, It's nearly Monday ;)
[11:39] <Myrtti> you don't get me down that easily 😃
[11:39] <Seeker`> weekend first :D
[11:40] <davmor2> Myrtti: the Moomins die in the end????
[11:40] <diddledan__> :-o
[11:40] <Seeker`> wut?
[11:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: you're just nasty, I'll tell czajkowski on you!!
[11:42] <davmor2> MooDoo, Myrtti: well that or someone turned off the tv :D
[11:42] <diddledan__> TELLYBOX!
[11:42]  * diddledan__ wonders if jeremy kyle is on
[11:42] <diddledan__> :-p
[11:43] <davmor2> diddledan__: jeremy is always on
[11:43] <diddledan__> yeah, I figured that after I said it
[11:51] <awilkins> Oldham by-election : Labour up, Tory down (by more than half of vote share), UKIP butthurt about it
[11:51] <diddledan__> yey UKIP!
[11:52] <Seeker`> "yey UKIP!
[11:52] <Seeker`> ^ said noone sane ever
[11:55] <awilkins> Hahaha, apparently they (UKIP) were playing "White Christmas" in Oldham. It's like something out of a biting political satire.
[11:56] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:56] <diddledan__> haha
[11:57] <Seeker`> awilkins: hardly surprising that Labour won a seat that they have held for, what, 45 years?
[11:57] <bigcalm> What's the likelihood of letsencrypt making it into 16.04?
[11:58] <diddledan__> need it to appear in debian usually IIRC
[11:58] <diddledan__> first*
[11:58] <awilkins> Seeker`, The pundits were all predicting doom and gloom
[11:58] <Seeker`> When aren't they?
[11:58] <awilkins> "Oh, Corbyn will put them all off and they'll lose the seat! Woe!"
[11:58] <Seeker`> yeah, that sells more papers than "Labour will keep safe seat"
[11:59] <awilkins> Now they've actually increased their vote share (in no small part due to the Corbynite "Momentum" group), everyone is going "Oh, it's NOTHING to do with Jeremy, NOTHING."
[11:59] <bigcalm> diddledan__: ah, fair enough
[12:00] <awilkins> It's the sort of thing that gets Debian contributors exited though, isn't it?
[12:00] <Seeker`> awilkins: the turnout was massively lower than the previous election
[12:00] <diddledan__> it would be a shame to miss the LTS though, so I hope it does get in
[12:01] <awilkins> Seeker`, Yeah, I acknowledge that ; it could feasibly just be the product of all the Tories staying at home going "meh."
[12:01] <Myrtti> right, need to go fill up my bottle
[12:01] <Myrtti> ho hum
[12:08] <diddledan__> haha: https://twitter.com/raspberry_pi/status/672749159166967809
[12:09] <diddledan__> also, star wars raspberri pi: https://twitter.com/designedbybird/status/672748905747120129
[13:01] <Laney> put a banging donk on it
[13:53] <diplo> bigcalm: afaik it is already in debian experimental
[13:53] <diddledan__> \o/
[13:53] <bigcalm> diplo: yep, saw that earlier
[13:53] <diplo> Sorry, just caught up with irc
[13:53] <bigcalm> I don't know how quickly debian processes work though
[13:54] <bigcalm> diplo: no worries, thanks for taking an interest :)
[13:54] <diplo> Probably as quickly as people badger for it :D
[13:54] <diplo> I was interested as I installed it myself earlier on my VPS looking for a package
[13:54] <diddledan__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI
[13:54] <diplo> looks like it's only apahe so far as well, not ngingx
[13:54] <bigcalm> I manually ran the git repo version on one of my servers. Now have all 3 domains on that one ip address secured with SSL :)
[13:57] <davmor2> diddledan__: not as good as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbby9coDRCk
[13:58] <diplo> Ah I had some errors on mine, not had a chance to look at it yet
[13:59] <diplo> I don't use it much so could be that the server isn't configured correctly :P
[15:55] <diddledan__> ricky gervais has some interesting thoughts in this article: http://ideas.time.com/2011/11/09/the-difference-between-american-and-british-humour/
[16:29] <davmor2> diddledan__: does say we have one they don't
[16:49] <diddledan__> davmor2: it's actually a more nuanced article than that
[16:49] <davmor2> diddledan__: I'd say that article is broad/sweeping but fair
[16:49] <diddledan__> :-)
[16:50] <davmor2> diddledan__: we hate everyone equally and the americans come in peace shot to kill, shot to kill.....wait no that's star trek.....meh same difference ;)
[16:51] <diddledan__> lol
[16:51] <diddledan__> that obviously requires the gratuitous link to be supplied: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE
[16:52]  * davmor2 bounces head along to the music
[16:57] <diddledan__> lol: https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/672821843816931329
[16:57] <diddledan__> and also: https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/672821897743110145
[16:59] <davmor2> developer wearing suits aren't they called project managers
[16:59] <diddledan__> no, our PMs don't know how to code
[17:00] <diddledan__> developers wearing suits is just plain wrong
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> suits last till the first time you have to find a cable fault under a desk that hasn't been moved in 10 years...
[17:02] <zmoylan-pi> though my personal favourite was there were so many cables connected to back of a pc that when it's desk collapsed it merely sagged and pulled at the wall sockets...
[17:31] <safiyyah> following my issues with the graphic card last week, I reinstalled and found my intel onboard graphics give a love resolution, I have now bought and Nvidia ASUS card, reinstalled and it still isn't good
[17:32] <safiyyah> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008A1C2AM?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00 - this is the new card
[17:38] <safiyyah> is anyone around? I remember I spoke to SuperMatt M
[17:38] <safiyyah> that's it SuperMatt and davmor2 if you guys are around?
[17:39] <davmor2> humm
[17:40] <davmor2> safiyyah: possibly an issue on your motherboard maybe
[17:40] <davmor2> safiyyah: see if there is a bios update
[17:41] <safiyyah> there isn't
[17:41] <safiyyah> plu, now it can't complain, the board and grahics card are both asus
[17:42] <safiyyah> how do I check if nouveau is actually running?
[17:42] <safiyyah> I am not convinced it is
[17:43] <daftykins> hi safiyyah - long time no see
[17:43] <safiyyah> hi daftykins
[17:44] <daftykins> is X working? "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[17:44] <daftykins> didn't you used to have to apply that custom modeline if it's that same TV you had?
[17:45] <safiyyah> I did daftykins , very true, but that was when I used the nvidia drivers, nouveau has always worked out of the box
[17:45] <safiyyah> I just finished a fresh install and bad graphics
[17:46] <daftykins> 14.04.3?
[17:46] <safiyyah> yes
[17:46] <daftykins> i'd throw on the proprietary driver immediately then
[17:46] <safiyyah> Xubuntu 14.04.3
[17:47] <safiyyah> i am not going to be fidling with Nvidia anymore
[17:47] <safiyyah> nouveau is fine,,,, fell out of love with compiz
[17:47] <daftykins> it's more about decently accelerated video than any foolish desktop effects
[17:48] <diddledan__> nouveau won't be fine for a new card on 14.04
[17:48] <daftykins> anywho the above command is still relevant
[17:48] <safiyyah> btw can nouveau handle two monitors? like two monitors, so I have two screens running with different windows?
[17:48] <daftykins> heh a GT 610 new? :>
[17:48] <daftykins> probably, but probably not easily
[17:48] <daftykins> i'd just run nvidia then two would work immediately
[17:49] <safiyyah> I put the link up for the card I bought on amazon,
[17:49] <safiyyah> I didn't buy the latest, just a budget, quiet one
[17:50] <safiyyah> hang on, do I install nvidia, OR update my motherboard drivers
[17:50] <daftykins> "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[17:50] <safiyyah> am hunting for the drivers as we speak
[17:50] <daftykins> you don't have motherboard drivers on Linux
[17:51] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13673181/
[17:52] <safiyyah> also daftykins ,  with the new card there are new drivers listed, the old card used to only work properly with one of the options
[17:52] <safiyyah> is it trial and error again? try one at a time until one works?
[17:52] <daftykins> nouveau is in use assuming that file is current
[17:53] <daftykins> nope i'd install nvidia-346
[17:53] <safiyyah> okay and then we change Xorg with popey's file?
[17:54] <daftykins> well i'd see how it is first of all, hopefully life is different with a new card
[17:55] <safiyyah> I do not have 346 coming up on restricted drivers :( 352.63, 304.131, 340.96 - both legacy binary drivers and binary drivers on the exact same numbers
[17:56] <safiyyah> about nouveau, I put the card in and did a fresh install, so that is the freshest it can get
[17:57] <daftykins> ok, well 352 will do
[17:57] <daftykins> !info nvidia-346 trusty
[17:57] <lubotu3`> nvidia-346 (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers-352): Transitional package for nvidia-346. In component restricted, is optional. Version 352.63-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> (trusty), package size 4 kB, installed size 34 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; armhf)
[17:58] <safiyyah> binary or legacy binary
[17:58] <safiyyah> ?
[17:58] <daftykins> roll a dice
[17:58] <safiyyah> oooooohhhhh
[17:58] <daftykins> er, di
[17:59] <safiyyah> will go with binary
[17:59] <safiyyah> fancy names are usually the start of probems
[17:59] <safiyyah> I am on Andchat as well incase I need a reboot btw
[18:01] <safiyyah> nvidia it is.... just when I was dreaming of those 4K huge monitors I saw at curry's. I figured a double monitor would be the way forward. Watch bbc iplayer and youtube videos on there. fantasies fantasies
[18:01] <safiyyah> it's still working, just waiting
[18:01] <daftykins> that museum piece of yours couldn't drive one of those with that card :>
[18:02] <safiyyah> is it my board?
[18:02] <safiyyah> or the new budget card?
[18:02] <safiyyah> lol
[18:02] <daftykins> all of it
[18:02] <safiyyah> wow
[18:03] <daftykins> anyway dreams aside, see how the nvidia driver fares after a reboot :>
[18:09] <safiyyah> done, gone to reboot
[18:11] <safiyyah> daftykins, no change to the graphics, it threw up some error messages when booting though
[18:11] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13673569/
[18:12] <daftykins> oh you're still using VGA :(
[18:12] <daftykins> was that the only input type that monitor has?
[18:13] <safiyyah> it has HDMI as well but HDMI is with me DVD player
[18:13] <daftykins> ah yeah
[18:13] <daftykins> what's this talk of two displays now though, you have a new one?
[18:14] <safiyyah> i am going to be buying one in a few weeks
[18:14] <safiyyah> I wanted a big flat screen telly
[18:14] <daftykins> the more TV like a new thing the more likely it's going to be a hassle just like now :(
[18:14] <safiyyah> plug it in via the HDMI port on the graphics card, and use it for my videos
[18:15] <safiyyah> hmmm
[18:15] <safiyyah> I cant stop dreaming of the big screen
[18:15] <safiyyah> as long as it doesnt kill my
[18:15] <safiyyah> PC
[18:15] <safiyyah> my 'museum piece'
[18:15] <daftykins> 4K would certainly be utterly pointless for TV service and computer use
[18:16] <safiyyah> why? I can get BBC HD, etc?
[18:16] <diddledan__> HD != 4K
[18:17] <daftykins> ^
[18:17] <diddledan__> HD < 4K
[18:18] <safiyyah> well I thought the prestine images, would come off well with my blu ray DVDs
[18:18] <safiyyah> maybe I misunderstood the technology
[18:18] <daftykins> when the resolution of the display is greater than the input material, there are no gains to be made
[18:18] <diddledan__> looney town central, everyone off!
[18:19] <Seeker`> daftykins: depends on the upscaler you have :P
[18:19] <daftykins> rubbish
[18:19] <daftykins> you can't create what isn't there regardless
[18:19] <Seeker`> on a single frame, sure
[18:19] <diddledan__> bluray != DVD. nothing called a bluray DVD exists. bluray is usually HD, HD != 4K
[18:19] <Seeker`> but you can infer things from temporal data
[18:19] <safiyyah> okay so a HDMI cable is not going to do it? and also, the telly itself connects to the internet
[18:20] <safiyyah> so it also won't get online TV streams like 4 OD?
[18:20] <diddledan__> they're all either SD or HD
[18:20] <safiyyah> okay
[18:21] <Seeker`> daftykins: it's possible to increase framerates by generating frames between the existing ones too, for example
[18:21] <diddledan__> the most likely place to get 4K content will be via subscription
[18:21] <safiyyah> scrap the 4K plan, can save me money.... then a large HD screen lol
[18:21] <daftykins> Seeker`: we're not talking about framerate and i don't need a lesson on video, thanks.
[18:22] <diddledan__> 4K content is scarce right now. it will improve but it's not at critical mass where it makes sense to buy a 4K TV
[18:22] <safiyyah> ah!!!!
[18:22] <Seeker`> daftykins: it was an example of how you can get more detail in one frame when you have surrounding frames to look at too
[18:22] <safiyyah> you guys are so useful!!!
[18:22] <daftykins> Seeker`: drop it thanks, none of this is news to me
[18:22] <safiyyah> okay so a normal HD telly at half the price will do me good
[18:22] <diddledan__> although if your TV breaks and you NEED to buy one then I would suggest that it makes sense to go for a 4K capable one then
[18:22] <Seeker`> daftykins: cheer up, it's almost the weekend
[18:23] <diddledan__> but only if you can afford the premium
[18:23] <daftykins> keep it to yourself
[18:23] <Seeker`> O.o riiiiiiiiight
[18:23] <safiyyah> no am buying  a big telly for the first time in me life
[18:23] <safiyyah> i was thinking the 4k meant, when the stuff went mainstream I would already have it
[18:24] <safiyyah> but according to you, even my blu ray player will be obsolete to the 4k tv
[18:24] <daftykins> everything 4K is going to be redundant in the new year due to changing specs
[18:24] <safiyyah> ah they decided on a new technology instead?
[18:24] <diddledan__> yeah a current-generation bluray player won't be able to output the higher resolution
[18:25] <safiyyah> ah okay
[18:25] <diddledan__> also H.265 encoding is coming soon which none of the current stuff supports
[18:25] <daftykins> and that card you got probably maxes out at 2560x1600 over HDMI
[18:25] <safiyyah> well let me just get a HD screen and think about the higher resolutions in a few years time
[18:25] <daftykins> diddledan__: been here ages ;D
[18:25] <diddledan__> daftykins: not for actual content tho
[18:25] <diddledan__> the tech has been available but noone has used it
[18:26] <safiyyah> hmmm
[18:26] <daftykins> the cheeky swines were trying to get royalties last i heard
[18:26] <diddledan__> h.264 is very entrenched these days due to everything having hardware support for decoding
[18:26] <diddledan__> yeah damned swines
[18:27] <safiyyah> so can my museum system manage the HD flat screen?
[18:27] <diddledan__> how dare they make me pay for something my arm cpu does anyway
[18:27] <daftykins> like i said the card can drive 2560x1600 over HDMI, HD is 1920x1080
[18:27]  * diddledan__ pets his 1920x1200 :-p
[18:27] <safiyyah> oh that will work then!!!!
[18:28] <diddledan__> it's an old monitor that tho
[18:28] <diddledan__> before they unified to 16:9 aspect ratio
[18:28] <Seeker`> diddledan__: GTX950 and GTX960 have H.265 apparently
[18:28] <safiyyah> okay so will keep my extra £300 and just get a HD, am not going to be getting virgin TV
[18:28] <diddledan__> ooh
[18:29] <Seeker`> It's part of nVidia's "Feature set F"
[18:29] <diddledan__> nice
[18:29] <safiyyah> right back to the disaster or a reboot, what is the driver unhappy about?
[18:29] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13673569/
[18:29] <safiyyah> do I chuck it and try the legacy binary drivers?
[18:30] <daftykins> no, use the usual xorg.conf mod
[18:30] <daftykins> it's the same as it always was :>
[18:30] <Seeker`> diddledan__: I think other cards can do it, but only via GPGPU, which is slower
[18:31] <daftykins> i highly doubt you would get a renderer using GP offload, the intel chips of one or two generations do a hybrid decode, but not cards
[18:31] <daftykins> most would have to fall back to software
[18:31] <safiyyah> the tech talk is going over me head daftykins
[18:31] <daftykins> conversations running in parallel, they're not all for you
[18:31] <safiyyah> oh good
[18:32]  * diddledan__ multitasks
[18:32] <safiyyah> but you agreed with me about the regular HD monitor?
[18:32] <diddledan__> humans need to learn to multiplex our communications methods of text and speach
[18:33] <diddledan__> talk to three different people all simultaneously
[18:33] <diddledan__> maybe we'll need a binary speach protocol
[18:34] <diddledan__> we'll go around screeching instead of using words
[18:36] <zmoylan-pi> booooooooo boooooop, booooooooooo, boooooooooop, boooble booble boooble..... /best spectrum game ever... :-D
[18:37] <diddledan__> apparently you can tell the age of a person by what kind of modem they sound like when asked to recreate the noise
[18:39] <diddledan__> although you might get the eejit who ruins the experiment by going "bee boo boop beep eeeeeeeee eeeee eeeeee <click>.. MOM HANG UP THE PHONE!!!"
[18:39] <zmoylan-pi> and those weirdos who pretend to be a fax machine...
[18:39] <diddledan__> lol
[18:40] <diddledan__> I'm a V.92 or a K-56Flex generation
[18:40] <zmoylan-pi> a 300 baud bell modem as i like to be more casual... :-)
[18:40] <diddledan__> 48kpbs was a dream
[18:41] <diddledan__> you always did like the old stuff :-p
[18:41] <zmoylan-pi> and all the pager services used 300 baud as it meant they could charge more for the calls...
[18:41] <diddledan__> lol
[18:41] <diddledan__> that's a bit crazy
[18:41] <diddledan__> do people still use pagers?
[18:42] <zmoylan-pi> plus our alarm company /allies/ preferred 300 baud to talk to their alarm boxes so every modem we sold had to support it...
[18:42] <zmoylan-pi> they shut down the main pager services around 2000 in ireland.  but i did see one clipped to a guys belt a few months back.  seems a lot of places have their own private transmitters.
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> as they are more dependable than sms
[18:44] <zmoylan-pi> and having written an sms server AND a pager server for alarm companies i preferred pagers...
[18:44] <diddledan__> back around 2003/4 a new ASDA store opened with the checkout supers using pagers to get notified when a cashier needed assistance
[18:45] <zmoylan-pi> a sms can be delayed days or weeks in certain conditions whereas a pager goes off the moment it's notified (as long as the coverage is good)
[18:45] <diddledan__> was nuts because the pagers had a limited memory of number of messages and each cashier request was a single message
[18:45] <diddledan__> so the pagers got full and then refused to receive new messages
[18:46] <zmoylan-pi> i wrote one server in pcanywhere's scripting language and wrote all the messages to a log file.  it was supposed to last 6 months till a proper server was bought and installed.  about 5 years later the pc was brought in as no more messages were going out.
[18:47] <zmoylan-pi> the log file had filled the 4gb hard disk :-)
[18:47] <diddledan__> lol
[18:47] <zmoylan-pi> oops :-)
[18:47] <safiyyah> changed xorg.0.log, rebooted and no joy
[18:47] <diddledan__> err
[18:47] <daftykins> *xorg.conf
[18:48] <diddledan__> ^ that
[18:48] <safiyyah> damn!!!
[18:48] <safiyyah> anyway I backed it up
[18:48] <safiyyah> will correct that
[18:48] <daftykins> /etc/X11/xorg.conf is what you're creating
[18:48] <diddledan__> a file ending in .log usually denotes that it's a log file. hence the .log. it contains logs. not configuration
[18:49] <safiyyah> okay so changing it won't help
[18:49] <safiyyah> lol
[18:49] <safiyyah> it will make a new log at the next boot
[18:49] <diddledan__> indeed it will
[18:54] <safiyyah> yeiiii, it is working?
[18:55] <safiyyah> can i just ask if i am running nouveau or nvdia please?
[18:55] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13674583/
[18:55] <daftykins> you installed nvidia and i said last time that it's nvidia in use now...
[18:56] <safiyyah> okay, where did you get the specifications for the recommended nvidia drivers?
[18:59] <daftykins> my brain, you don't have to pick specific versions for specific cards, they all work with them all
[19:00] <safiyyah> good brain you have there, wow!
[19:00] <safiyyah> am sorted! thank you so much.
[19:01] <safiyyah> and am I good to go with the extra monitor/tv screen now?
[19:09] <daftykins> as in, will a second display using HDMI work perfectly when plugged in? maybe
[19:15] <safiyyah> lol
[19:16] <safiyyah> well I may be back then
[19:16] <safiyyah> thanks a tonne again
[19:21] <diddledan__> jeri ryan's new tee-shirt: https://represent.com/jeri
[19:23] <zmoylan-pi> i'll just have to hope santa is still alive so... :-P http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/dec/04/father-christmas-death-notice-norwegian-newspaper
[19:26] <diddledan__> they're blaming procedural problems rather than an idiot?
[19:27] <davmor2> diddledan__: what were you doing there ;)
[19:36] <diddledan__> I was hiding, but Santa found me so I had to kill him...
[19:36] <diddledan__> which movie tonight: ant-man or tomorrowland?
[19:37] <diddledan__> got an episode of agents of s.h.i.e.l.d. to watch, too
[19:38]  * zmoylan-pi has a 2-3 more episodes of firefly ahead, and drop the dead donkey...
[19:38] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: don't forget serenity too
[19:39] <zmoylan-pi> i will copy the movie and a few others to viewing device as i get to last tv episode...
[19:39] <zmoylan-pi> probably fifth element as well, maybe 2010...
[19:40] <diddledan__> the fifth elephant is awesome
[19:40] <zmoylan-pi> it is one of the most beautiful sci fi movies ever made...
[19:40] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi, diddledan__: you both need to see "now you see me" again if you haven't already :)
[19:41] <diddledan__> davmor2: I've watched that many times already - I will watch it again soon, you're right - amazing film
[19:42] <davmor2> diddledan__: number 2 next year
[19:42] <diddledan__> yup, excited for it
[19:42] <zmoylan-pi> i'll keep an eye out for it in dvd shop next time i'm there
[19:43] <davmor2> diddledan__, zmoylan-pi: you both need to see ex mechina too if you haven't
[19:44] <diddledan__> again, awesome choice!
[19:44] <diddledan__> the machine is fun too
[19:44] <davmor2> salt 2 is meant to be out soon too iirc
[19:45] <zmoylan-pi> then all i can do is recommend 2 movies you won't have seen and will make you laugh... 'the gods must be crazy' plus it's sequel
[19:45] <davmor2> and then there is alice through the looking glass
[19:47] <zmoylan-pi> and if you like crime movies the irish comedy/crime movie 'i went down' is brilliant
[19:51] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi, diddledan__: if you like something along the line of the pink panther comedy wise I recommend Mortdecai
[19:51] <diddledan__> oh yes, I've seen the trailer, I meant to get a copy but forgot all about it - thanks for the reminder :-)
[19:52] <diddledan__> kingsman is hilarious!
[19:52] <popey> yeah, i liked that film
[19:52] <popey> watched it a couple of times now
[19:53] <davmor2> yeah it got sucky reviews but I think that is because everyone was expecting it to be bond with Colin Firth in and then they killed him
[19:53] <davmor2> I loved it though
[19:53] <diddledan__> I loved it too
[19:55] <davmor2> if anyone invites you to see Lone ranger gauge your eyes out
[19:55] <davmor2> gouge even
[19:56] <popey> Watched Tomorrowland with Clooney
[19:56] <popey> bit of an odd one
[19:59] <davmor2> popey: cloud atlas weird or vanilla skies weird
[20:00] <bigcalm> popey: are you on 150mb yet?
[20:27] <popey> bigcalm, didnt know it was an option
[20:27] <popey> bigcalm, do i need a cable modem upgrade?
[20:31] <bigcalm> popey: I logged into my account and there was a message telling me that before the end of December my connection would be upgraded to 150mb
[20:31] <popey> you still on mates rates?
[20:31] <bigcalm> Na, I had to ditch it
[20:31] <popey> i never login to mine
[20:32] <bigcalm> We've dropped TV because we don't use it.  Our bill went back up to £63pcm.
[20:33] <bigcalm> Hayley and I decided that it was too much for 3 services where we only really use one of them
[20:33] <popey> mine is currently 64.49
[20:33] <bigcalm> That's the number
[20:34] <bigcalm> There's a sky dish on the house, left over from the previous owners. So I bought a freesat box
[20:34] <bigcalm> Working well so far
[20:34] <popey> yeah, i used to have sky, so plugged the cable into the telly
[20:34] <popey> telly does freesat hd and if I plug a USB disk in it turns the telly into a PVR
[20:35] <bigcalm> Funky
[20:38] <popey> not that I ever watch freesat :)
[20:39] <bigcalm> http://help.virginmedia.com/system/selfservice.controller?CMD=VIEW_ARTICLE&ARTICLE_ID=51538&CURRENT_CMD=SEARCH&CONFIGURATION=1001&PARTITION_ID=1&USERTYPE=1&LANGUAGE=en&COUNTY=us&VM_CUSTOMER_TYPE=Cable
[20:40] <bigcalm> We're on VIVID100, and I expect that you are as well
[20:41] <popey> i am
[20:42] <popey> "Your speed boost is almost ready!"
[20:42] <diddledan__> mine's not until april at the earliest :-(
[20:42] <popey> end of december
[20:43] <bigcalm> I recently got a letter from VM saying that they would be doing maintenance on the 15th December and my 'net connection would be up and down. I guess that's when the update will happen for me
[20:43] <diddledan__> they claimed the network would be ready back in september but neglected to mention that "september" really meant "when we feel like it"
[20:47] <bigcalm> It's always been a finger in the air date
[20:48] <bigcalm> Quite happy with my 12.7MB/s
[20:48] <bigcalm> Wonder what I'll get with 150mb
[21:19] <diddledan__> bigcalm: I think you'll get cooties
[21:20] <diddledan__> bigcalm: all that unfettered internet is bad for you
[22:40] <diddledan__> http://www.ustream.tv/NASAHDTV/theater
[22:40] <diddledan__> flaming ballocket again
[22:40] <diddledan__> weather is green right now so we might actually get a launch today
[22:41] <diddledan__> entering terminal count
[22:42] <diddledan__> T0 at 22:48:12
[22:44] <diddledan__> clock resumed at 4:00
[22:44] <diddledan__> we're in terminal count
[22:44] <diddledan__> flight control nogo
[22:45] <diddledan__> holding at 3:42
[22:46] <diddledan__> clock reset to 4minutes
[22:47] <diddledan__> T0 now set at 23:03:12
[22:49] <diddledan__> that reset was due to being too windy
[22:59] <diddledan__> count resumed
[22:59] <diddledan__> that's it. nogo
[23:00] <diddledan__> scrubbing for today
[23:10] <diddledan__> https://twitter.com/themagp1/status/672915699233398785


[09:57] <popey> dpm: going to be 5 mins late.
[09:59] <dpm> np
[10:06] <popey> on hangout
[10:13] <dpm> popey, ok, hadn't seen it, coming over now
[13:42] <jcastro> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5omFFeLEXFE
[13:42] <jcastro> solo of the day folks!
[16:13] <dpm> so I wanted to reply to that "Community participation" thread on ubuntu-phone, but I see other community members and popey have already done an awesome job at it :)
[16:13] <popey> aw thanks
[16:14] <dpm> yeah, I like how everyone addressed the point "you don't build a community by handing them freebies"
[16:19] <bkerensa> dpm: the program Oliver (Mozillian, Ubuntu and Debian) contributor pointed out is not handing out freebies
[16:19] <bkerensa> the phones are for core contributors
[16:20] <bkerensa> it would be like giving a phone to jose or someone
[16:21] <bkerensa> I think he is getting at the point that Ubuntu lacks a dogfooding program
[16:21] <bkerensa> for contributors
[16:27] <Lingo__> hi guys I had problem in renew my membership: is there someone who could help me please?
[16:27] <Lingo__> nick/deindre2
[16:31] <popey> hi Lingo__ what's your launchpad id?
[16:31] <Lingo__> flavia.weisghizzi
[16:31] <Lingo__> popey ^^
[16:31] <dpm> bkerensa, gotcha. Sorry, that was an oversimplification on my part, but that was the impression I got from one of the comments on that e-mail, and it seems others in the list too. However, he does have valid points, which have been addressed too. In terms of the dogfooding campaign, as popey points out, we've already been doing it for some core contributors, but not at the scale Mozilla is doing it (which would be awesome if we could), since we
[16:31] <dpm>  don't yet have retail devices, and even if we had, we're still a different company (also on size) than Mozilla Corp. or the Mozilla Foundation
[16:31] <belkinsa> Lingo__, I can help with this too.
[16:32] <popey> belkinsa: could you please? Thanks!
[16:32] <belkinsa> Sure.
[16:32] <Lingo__> belkinsa: hi! I'm flavia (not with my pc, not with my IRC account grrrrrrr) :)
[16:33] <belkinsa> I figured that you were her.
[16:33] <Lingo__> :) i read you're running for UW leadership: I hope you go
[16:33] <belkinsa> Thanks.
[16:33] <Lingo__> You deserve :)
[16:34] <belkinsa> :D
[16:34] <belkinsa> There, I got you back in the Ubuntu Members.
[16:34] <Lingo__> ohhhhh!!!! Thank youuuu
[16:34] <Lingo__> I was so sorry...
[16:34] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[16:35] <Lingo__> :*
[16:35] <belkinsa> It's cool, we had that same issue with someone else a few days ago.  balloons I think was the one.
[16:35]  * balloons raises hand sheepily
[16:35] <Lingo__> ahahha poor balloons :)
[18:28] <jcastro> http://www.paul.sladen.org/bbc-news/
[18:28] <jcastro> this is just downright magical
[18:35] <popey> oh, so http://fedoraftw.com/ that's what happened to the guy behind iloveubuntu
[21:05] <jcastro> I liked iloveubuntu
[21:13] <mhall119> popey: ah, so he didn't just disappear
[21:15] <popey> indeed, refocus
[21:20] <mhall119> wow, he's been busy there too


[10:26] <Keybuk> interesting
[10:26] <Keybuk> upstart's tests consistently fail on the buildds
[10:26] <Keybuk> (null):alloc.c:416: Assertion failed in nih_alloc_size: ptr != NULL
[10:26] <Keybuk> FAIL: test_file
[10:28] <Keybuk> passed on powerpc and sparc
[10:28] <Keybuk> failed on both real architectures, and itanium
[01:26] <drakeoutlaw> hi all, can we boot to a non gui console with the single command?
[01:26] <drakeoutlaw> !single
[01:30] <Keybuk> drakeoutlaw: depends on the distribution; which are you using?
[01:32] <drakeoutlaw> edgy, but there is no /etc/inittab
[01:33] <Keybuk> yes, you can still use "single" to get to single-user mode
[01:34] <drakeoutlaw> ok, but how to change the default run level?
[01:34] <Keybuk> see /usr/share/doc/upstart/README.Debian.gz
[01:35] <drakeoutlaw> ok willdo
[02:01] <Keybuk> hmm
[02:01] <Keybuk> again I can't help but think that "failed" shouldn't be a separate event, but should be an argument to the "stopped" event
[02:01] <Keybuk> (or stopping)
[06:50] <wasabi> Keybuk: I agree with that. It makes the job easier for other people who want to know when the job is "no longer running"
[06:50] <wasabi> Without having to explicitly say stopped or failed
[06:50] <wasabi> And most dependencies care about the fact that the server is gone, less about the particulars about why it is gone.
[07:09] <Amaranth> so can we actually start writing useful jobs or whatever with 0.3? :)
[07:11] <Keybuk> well, failed was always going to be followed by stopped
[07:11] <Keybuk> the reason I was thinking of merging them is that there's no way right now to say "until this job succeeds"
[07:11] <Keybuk> e.g. ntpdate, you only want to run once
[07:11] <Keybuk> on network-interface-up and from startup until $NTPDATE_DIDNT_FAIL
[07:12] <Keybuk> Amaranth: that's the intent
[07:12] <Keybuk> 0.2 was "let's see if the daemon code works, and is sound in principal"
[07:12] <Amaranth> heh
[07:12] <Amaranth> i'll have to look into converting willowng to use it
[07:12] <Amaranth> although it's not particularly complex, just starting and stopping, no fancy stuff
[07:19] <Keybuk> that's a dbus service?
[07:25] <AlexExtreme> hmm, Keybuk: when you do that talk at linux.conf.au, will there be any way of seeing a video/audio of the talk? i'd quite like to see it but I can't easily get to Australia for it ;)
[07:25] <Keybuk> I've no idea
[07:25] <Keybuk> I suspect, given jdub, that they'll all be live streamed or something
[07:25] <Keybuk> I'm in the big hall, so it's possible
[07:25] <AlexExtreme> great
[07:27] <Keybuk> Amaranth: looking at the willowng package in edgy; it'd be something like
[07:27] <Keybuk>      start on started dbus
[07:27] <Keybuk>      stop on stopping dbus
[07:27] <Keybuk>     exec /usr/sbin/willowng
[07:28] <Amaranth> yeah, real simple :)
[07:28] <Keybuk> I'd probably write it as
[07:28] <Keybuk>     from started dbus until stopping dbus
[07:28] <Keybuk>     respawn /usr/sbin/willowng
[07:28] <Keybuk> so it gets respawned as well; and acts statefully
[07:34] <Amaranth> wow, i love upstart
[07:34] <Amaranth> the init script is like 20 lines of garbage
[07:34] <Amaranth> that's 2 lines that tell you exactly what's going on
[07:35] <AlexExtreme> yeah
[07:35] <AlexExtreme> it's the simplest i've ever seen
[07:35] <AlexExtreme> none of the other "next-gen" init systems do that as simply as that
[07:36] <Amaranth> There is a lot of magic behind the scenes to make things that simple, I'm sure.
[07:36] <AlexExtreme> see the specifications for upstart on launchpad ;)
[07:38] <Keybuk> I like reading the really old specs, and being amused by how much has changed in a year
[07:38] <AlexExtreme> yeah
[07:38] <Keybuk> the PDF on the upstart website is particularly good <g>
[07:38] <Keybuk> "The basic design of upstart is that tasks exist in one of three states:"
[07:39] <Keybuk> we have something like 8 now
[07:39] <AlexExtreme> :P
[07:39] <_ion> :-)
[07:40] <Keybuk> and that goes on about "edge events" and "level events"
[07:50] <Keybuk> we do still need to rename /etc/event.d
[07:51] <AlexExtreme> why's that?
[07:51] <Keybuk> it's not very descriptive of its content
[07:51] <Keybuk> it contains definitions of services, tasks and states
[07:51] <Keybuk> not events :)
[07:51] <AlexExtreme> so, servicetaskstate.d? :)
[07:54] <AlexExtreme> gotta go
[07:54] <Keybuk> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/smf-profiles/;jsessionid=A8CF91BE41ED07443BFA5A4F686515D0
[07:54] <Keybuk> interesting


[07:10] <dpm> morning all
[07:16] <dholbach> good morning
[07:51]  * dholbach relocates to the office, brb
[09:14] <zimzima> Hi, I have a question avout displays in Ubuntu. I've just connected an external screen to my laptop and I'd like to set things up so that I have a permanent workspace on the external monitor.
[09:14] <zimzima> I change workspaces a lot, and I only want it to change on the laptop monitor
[09:15] <dholbach> hi zimzima - that might be a question for #ubuntu or http://askubuntu.com
[09:15] <zimzima> Ok thx, I'll head over there
[09:19] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:20] <czajkowski> Hapy crunchy Friday!
[09:38] <willcooke> czajkowski, hey, do you know who could add me to the Ubuntu members group in LP?  I've got a blog post I want to get on Planet
[09:39] <popey> me!
[09:40] <popey> done
[09:40] <willcooke> woot
[09:40] <willcooke> thanks popey
[09:40] <popey> np
[09:40] <popey> you know how to add yourself to planet ubuntu willcooke ?
[09:41]  * willcooke is reading the instructions
[09:43] <czajkowski> willcooke: when in doubt magic popey to the rescue :)
[09:43] <willcooke> I said his name three times while looking in a mirror and now my house is full of cats
[09:44] <dholbach> congratulations willcooke!
[09:44] <willcooke> thanks dholbach
[09:44] <dholbach> willcooke, you need to do it on a full moon!
[09:44] <willcooke> :)
[09:49] <willcooke> bah, now I need a hackergotchi
[09:52] <dholbach> are they still popular?
[09:53] <willcooke> it says you need one for planet
[09:53] <willcooke> old skool
[09:53] <dholbach> sounds to me like a y2k'ism :)
[09:53] <dholbach> but yeah :)
[10:50] <dholbach> davidcalle, https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/queue-updates-1transaction/+merge/270158
[10:50] <dholbach> I hope that fixes it
[10:50] <dholbach> the "XXX" in the code is for setting a certain database to be used - I'm not sure if we need it or what to set it to though 0:-)
[10:50] <davidcalle> dholbach, woah, working well?
[10:51] <dholbach> davidcalle, well, over here it works just as well :)
[10:52] <dholbach> it doesn't break stuff, just like the version before :)
[10:52] <dholbach> what it does in staging/production is going to be interesting
[10:52] <davidcalle> dholbach, \o/, will try that as soon as I get home (can't vpn from here, blocked ports)
[10:52] <davidcalle> try that on a staging-like instance*
[10:52] <dholbach> <3
[10:52] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[10:52] <dholbach> I really hope that fixes things
[10:52] <davidcalle> You rock!
[10:53] <dholbach> it was easy to do
[10:58] <dholbach> just pushed two more small changes
[10:58] <dholbach> and now off to lunch :)
[12:52] <dholbach> mhall119, davidcalle: can I suggest that after the successful deployment of current trunk we land everything else we have in the queue and then attempt the django update together? :)
[12:52] <dholbach> just so that our feature/landing queue is finally empty and we can close some of our open work items :)
[12:52] <davidcalle> dholbach, sure, easy to agree on that :)
[12:53] <dholbach> how about the deployment, are we there yet? :)
[12:59] <dholbach> mhall119, I hope that https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/queue-updates-1transaction/+merge/270158 fixes the snappy importer in staging/prod
[12:59] <dholbach> mhall119, even before the code in the MP was written it already worked well over hree
[12:59] <mhall119> dholbach: let's land all of our code changes in one deployment, and just the django version update in another
[12:59] <dholbach> s/hree/here
[13:00] <dholbach> WFM
[13:00] <dholbach> in that case I have some code I'd like to get reviewed: http://pad.lv/mps/developer-ubuntu-com :-)
[13:00] <mhall119> dholbach: deej attempted a prod deployment yesterday, but we hit a pip-cache dependency issue
[13:00] <mhall119> the issue has been fixed in rev 137 and they have the new tarball, so waiting on the next deployment attempt
[13:00] <dholbach> <3
[13:01] <dholbach> let me know if there's anything in the MPs to fix :)
[13:01] <mhall119> sure, but don't land anything into trunk until it's deployes, as we might have to land some fixes for deployment there and the fewer things changing right now the better
[13:02] <dholbach> can we decouple trunk and production maybe?
[13:03] <dholbach> it'd be nice if we could land stuff in trunk, so we collectively get the code to try out together and not have MPs lying around for weeks
[13:03] <dholbach> or maybe I'm looking at the situation in the wrong way
[13:04] <mhall119> no, you're right, let me update the production branch
[13:04] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[13:05] <dholbach> it's really nice to be working together with you guys on the site
[13:05] <mhall119> +1, I really appreciate having more of us on it
[13:06] <davidcalle> mhall119, dholbach +1, enjoying the dynamic
[13:07] <mhall119> ok, production branch is updates, and we have a new production series in launchpad for it
[13:08] <mhall119> so landing things in trunk can move forward now
[13:08] <davidcalle> mhall119, =)
[13:15] <davidcalle> dholbach, mhall119, I'm starting the process of merging the three top-approved ones(steps, autopilot, pep8)
[13:15] <dholbach> go go go
[13:21] <davidcalle> dholbach, mhall119, can you give a final ack to https://code.launchpad.net/~davidc3/developer-ubuntu-com/translations-dashboard/+merge/263230 ?
[13:22] <davidcalle> dpm, do you mind changing the owner of this branch to developer-ubuntu-com-dev ? https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/developer-ubuntu-com/generic-steps-style/+merge/253029
[13:25] <dpm> davidcalle, is it possible to change the owner of a branch? I'd just check it out and then push it as a team branch
[13:25] <davidcalle> dpm, on the branch page you can iirc
[13:26] <dpm> I can only resubmit the branch, but I can create the new team branch and reuse the MP
[13:27] <mhall119> davidcalle: why do you need the ownership changed?
[13:27] <dpm> davidcalle, https://code.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/generic-steps-style/+merge/270173
[13:28] <davidcalle> mhall119, there is a conflict in the css I want to fix
[13:28] <davidcalle> dpm, ty!
[13:28] <mhall119> davidcalle: you can fix it when you merge it
[13:29] <davidcalle> mhall119, was not sure if it was a good practice, but of course yes
[13:31] <mhall119> davidcalle: it probably isn't, but since we're still manually merging branches anyway I'm okay with fixing conficts at merge time
[13:34] <mhall119> it seems there are no webops on duty today, so no new devportal deployments until next week
[13:35] <mhall119> mycroft has less than $10k left to fund! \o/
[13:37] <davidcalle> mhall119, dholbach: magic! https://code.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+activereviews
[13:40] <dpm> davidcalle, if you're looking at reviews and small fixes for the site, here's one for you (if you have some time). The Web Team gave us this snippet to fix the 3rd-level nav, which would be nice to integrate into the site: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12273158/
[13:41] <dholbach> nice!
[13:41] <davidcalle> dpm, oh thanks for retrieving this one :)
[13:42] <mhall119> davidcalle: dholbach: you guys are amazing
[13:43] <dpm> davidcalle, np, just had to dig through e-mail :)
[13:44] <dholbach> mhall119, davidcalle: just two MPs left :)
[13:45] <dholbach> and you guys are amazing too! :)
[14:32] <dholbach> davidcalle, mhall119: I added a comment https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/queue-updates-1transaction/+merge/270158 on which test data to use for an import
[14:32] <dholbach> hope that makes it all clear
[14:34] <davidcalle> dholbach, thanks
[14:43] <mhall119> dholbach: davidcalle: can I leave those reviews to the two of you? Since I haven't been very involved in the development so far, I wouldn't be a very effective reviewer
[14:44] <davidcalle> mhall119, np, I want to test it on an instance before getting it into trunk in any case
[14:44] <dholbach> mhall119, the one about queueing all write activities, yes, that's fine - the other one is the django update, for that it's going to be good to have all eyeballs on it
[14:45] <dholbach> thanks a lot you two :)
[14:46] <mhall119> dholbach: yes, the django update I'll be happy to look through
[14:46] <dholbach> <3
[16:10] <dholbach> all right my friends - have a great weekend everyone!


[11:44] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Full Circle Magazine: Full Circle Weekly News #275 @ https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcast/full-circle-weekly-news-275/
[21:03] <Bashing-om> uwn: Issue750 up for review and final updates: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue750 :D
[21:25] <guiverc[m]> thanks Bashing-om
[21:46] <Bashing-om> UWN: Login for the template was a real challenge >> 504 Gateway Time-out ! Fianlly able to backdoor from the 749 issue.
[23:48] <guiverc[m]> oops, d/healthier/heather  -- a bad typo !   (indaba)
[23:51] <Bashing-om> guiverc[m]: Yukkie - on me too ! fixing ^ .
[23:54] <guiverc> Heather may not have minded that much, no doubt there could be worse mis-types for names, but still ouch... Still reading Bashing-om
[23:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc[m]: That one fixed - close attention to the proof reading is warrented, as was hectic and distractions in making up the WIKI. I have looked twice but still ??


[06:02] <MTecknology> Hey.. I want to take the drupal light theme and base it against the light base theme. There's one itty bitty tiny problem. I was to utilize a really super cool awesome feature. The problem is that I need basically all of the images available to me in a single png (slices) that use transparency.
[06:04] <MTecknology> I suck horribly at graphics so I was wondering if I could get any help on it
[08:45] <stas_> MTecknology: i don't think that would be easy, there are images that are used as backgrounds with repetition, for that kind of images you might need css3 and it has no back compatibility with css2
[14:14] <MTecknology> stas_: I didn't mean for use in display.. I meant something for slices. To be broken apart into separate images. (Saying it even though you took off.)
[18:01] <mhall119> MTecknology: you just need them all tiled up in a single PNG?
[18:03] <MTecknology> mhall119: with transparency instead of the color background
[18:04] <mhall119> I didn't know any of them had a color background...
[18:06] <mhall119> just dotted.png then?
[18:06] <MTecknology> h on - lemme go peek
[18:07] <MTecknology> I could be lost and confused
[18:08] <mhall119> looks like dotted.png is the only one with a background color
[18:08] <MTecknology> mhall119: header.png
[18:08] <MTecknology> and dotted.png
[18:09] <mhall119> ah, in the bottom of header.png, I didn't notice that
[18:09] <mhall119> why transparent though?  Do you plan on using a background other than white?
[18:10] <MTecknology> Ya, I plan on letting the user tweak them some
[18:10] <mhall119> hmmm...
[18:10] <mhall119> technically header.png fades to a shade of gray
[18:12] <MTecknology> it has an orange background though
[18:12] <MTecknology> I plan on having an official color pallet with a few other pallets that will look nice - then the user can just use a pretty color wheel to change some of those
[18:13] <MTecknology> unless I'm looking at another image than you
[18:13] <mhall119> oh....OH!
[18:14] <mhall119> yeah, that'll require new images
[18:14] <mhall119> the community website theme is really made to use community colors
[18:14] <MTecknology> mhall119: I'm looking at light-base-theme. I'm trying to rebase the drupal theme against it and when I do it, I want to add that functionality
[18:15] <MTecknology> The community colors also come with the licensing which means it can't be used by default by something on drupal.org
[18:15] <mhall119> I'm not sure how you'd go about doing that...
[18:15] <mhall119> drupal.org requires a specific license?
[18:16] <MTecknology> GPLv2/3
[18:16] <MTecknology> I'm referring to this - http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[18:17] <MTecknology> According to that - if it's not used on a community or ubuntu related project, it can't use the color pallet - which means it can't be default on d.o
[18:18] <mhall119> I see
[18:19] <mhall119> I think that's just for the logo though
[18:19] <mhall119> newz2000: can you clarify the license for the ubuntu-website code and also for it's images?
[18:19] <MTecknology> Nuzum mentioned in -meeting that it included the color pallet used on the site
[18:20] <mhall119> ok, I wasn't there for that
[18:20] <mhall119> still, launchpad.net needs to have that licensing info added to the project
[18:20] <newz2000> mhall119: why don't you email to the mailing list and I'll get you a detailed answer that we can link to publicly
[18:20] <mhall119> newz2000: fabulous idea
[18:20] <newz2000> I think this is kind of an FAQ and it's probably good for me to stop giving general guidelines and have an official doc
[18:21] <mhall119> newz2000: launchpad has a section to specify licensing too, it should be added there
[18:21] <newz2000> good plan
[18:24] <MTecknology> Either way - I really want to make it so the user can easily change the colors. I'll figure out how to make a base image from the images in light-base-theme
[18:24] <mhall119> newz2000: sent
[18:24] <MTecknology> Shouldn't take me more than a few days :P - then I'll learn a lot.
[18:25] <MTecknology> Does Wordpress have any feature like that?
[18:26] <MTecknology> Take a default set of colors that are being used, then cache a version with altered colors - including images
[18:27] <mhall119> MTecknology: I'm not sure
[18:28] <mhall119> I know the drupal stuff generates images based on a base color
[18:28] <MTecknology> yup, 5 base colors
[19:02] <stas_> MTecknology: yes wp can handle that, but i see no need for it so far (old kubrik had that feature by default)
[20:38] <MTecknology> stas_: oh, The drupal theme isn't based on anything that existed - almost any bugs in it are my fault :P
[20:39] <stas_> MTecknology: i'm not talking about what it re-uses
[20:39] <stas_> i mean that a drupal theme is basically a continuation of drupal api/codebase
[20:39] <stas_> so it should use the same license as original work
[20:40] <stas_> i remember the thesiswp issue that recently exploded, it was exactly the same topic


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