[03:07] <Anil> Hi
[03:07] <Anil> I recently installed ubuntu 14.04
[03:07] <Anil> Used to use 12.04 earlier..
[03:08] <anilj1>  there..
[03:08] <anilj1> I recently installed 14.04 from 12.04..
[03:09] <anilj1> I still have the issue where the display brightness function keys do not work.. They were not working in 12.04 as well.
[03:09] <anilj1> Has anyone faced this problem before, and if there is any patch/fix ?
[06:50] <dholbach> good morning
[07:23] <jibel> dpm, hey, against which project translation bugs on the phone should be reported?
[07:30] <dpm> hi jibel, you can file them here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations
[07:30] <Hallaji> Hi,
[07:30] <Hallaji> why ubuntu Touch suppert of nexus?
[07:31] <Hallaji> why not samsung galaxy  s series?
[07:31] <Hallaji> sorry: why ubuntu Touch just support of nexus?
[07:32] <jibel> dpm, thanks, bug 1333555 , how do you differentiate them from desktop translations, is there a specific tag?
[07:34] <dpm> jibel, we don't have one atm, but I can create a 'touch' one, or reuse the 'qa-touch' one. Do you have any preferences?
[07:36] <jibel> dpm, anything != qa-touch would be fine.
[07:36] <dpm> jibel, ok, I've gone for touch-l10n
[07:37] <jibel> dpm, ta
[08:07] <tvoss> ogra_, pingaling
[08:08] <ogra_> tvoss, Yo!
[08:09] <tvoss> ogra_, hey there :) I need some help to get /system/etc/gps.conf to /etc/gps.conf
[08:09] <ogra_> tvoss, make a bind mount ... see if that works
[08:11] <seb128> mpt, hey, do you know if there are design visuals for the touch system settings update's page somewhere (or if somebody is working on that)?
[08:14] <mpt> seb128, do you mean pixel-precise equivalents of the wireframes at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Phone>? Nobody is working on that, as far as I know.
[08:15] <seb128> mpt, right, I don't need pixel-detail, but see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1333565 ... some of the items, like the fact that we have lines between items, would be easier to compare with a real screen image than with wireframes
[08:16] <seb128> mpt, though the wireframes seem to suggest there are no lines between the items
[08:19] <ExtremeDevilz> uh o.O it has been 7 months since I last ported ubuntu touch to my phone
[08:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Bannockburn Day! :-D
[09:11] <Wellark> seb128: for rtm, could we prevent system-settings from going into landscape?
[09:12] <Wellark> just thinking about this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1333135
[09:12] <seb128> Wellark, no idea, is there an api to control rotation in our toolkit? we don't do anything to rotate atm, it's the uitk doing it
[09:12] <Wellark> seb128: yep.
[09:12] <Wellark> bzoltan: ^
[09:13] <Wellark> seb128: the keyboard handling still stays valid..
[09:13] <Wellark> actually would be cool if uitk would handle it
[09:14] <Laney> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.MainView/#automaticOrientation-prop ?
[09:16] <ogra_> the prob with that is that it uses the default device orientation ... so apps running on manta will always be landscape even if they wouldnt fit on screen
[09:38] <ogra_> tvoss, looking closer at /etc/gps.conf it already is a bind mount to /system/etc/gps.conf it seems
[09:38] <tvoss> ogra_, okay, cool
[09:39] <ogra_> but i cant find out why !
[09:47] <sil2100> ogra_: hmmm, no oSoMoN or Bill :<
[10:12] <davmor2> ogra_: did you ever think that someone did it to confuse you ;)
[10:41] <ogra_> davmor2, well, sure, my problem is that i cant find out how he did it :P
[10:42] <davmor2> ogra_: and that my friend is why it is there to confuse you :P
[10:52] <dpm> thanks seb128 for updating the u-s-s translations template :)
[10:52] <seb128> dpm, yw!
[11:51] <seb128> mpt, ok, I need design clarifications about that "install <n> updates", should I open a new bug and assign to you?
[11:51] <seb128> mpt, like what should happen if there are 3 app updates, the user click "install 3 updates", then pause 2 of the items
[11:52] <seb128> one is installing, 2 are paused, what about the button state/label?
[11:54] <mpt> seb128, when an update is paused, it should return to the same visual state as if it had never begun. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#pausing-mobile> So there are two updates left, which is more than one, so the top button should be “Install 2 Updates”.
[11:54] <mpt> Ah, the word “available” is a bit ambiguous, right
[11:57] <seb128> mpt, hum, currently the "install 3 updates" change to "pause 3 updates" when you click on it and those are downloading, maybe that's wrong
[11:58] <seb128> mpt, maybe it should hide then, and if 1 is pause still be hidden, and if a second is paused display again as "install 2 updates"?
[11:59] <mpt> seb128, that’s my fault, until now I never even thought about what should happen to the button when it’s tapped :-/
[12:00] <seb128> mpt, want a bug report about that?
[12:00] <mpt> yes please
[12:02] <john96> does anyone know if there is a release date yet for an ubuntu-touch app store?
[12:02] <ExtremeDevilz> does ubuntu touch still has radio/ril issue for non nexus devices ?
[12:04] <jibel> mhr3, re bug 1333142 , I cannot produce a better trace. There is not enough space to retrace directly on the device and retracing outside results in a corrupt stack. Can't you really reproduce with the steps in the bug report? it fails everytime here with latest build.
[12:04] <mhr3> jibel, nope, was randomly swiping back and forth and nothing happened
[12:05] <mhr3> i mean... it didn't crash
[12:05] <ExtremeDevilz> does ubuntu touch still has radio/ril issue for non nexus devices ?
[12:05] <ExtremeDevilz> can anyone reply :3
[12:05] <jibel> :/
[12:08] <seb128> mpt, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1333668
[12:08] <mpt> thanks
[12:08] <seb128> thank you for looking at it!
[12:09] <ExtremeDevilz> :\
[12:20] <ogra_> Chipaca, i just did a bootchart for todays image and during the session startup i see ubuntu-push-client starting in masses ... looking at the log ofteh upstart process i see:
[12:20] <ogra_> 2014/06/24 11:06:38.228177 INFO "com.ubuntu.PushNotifications" dialed in.
[12:20] <ogra_> 2014/06/24 11:06:38 unable to start: Unable to find a hardware address
[12:20] <ogra_> 100 times
[12:21] <ogra_> (4 entries per second)
[12:21] <Chipaca> ogra_: "starting in masses"?
[12:21] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-bootcharts/ubuntu-phablet-utopic-95.png
[12:21] <ogra_> well, it starts more often than once :)
[12:22] <AskUbuntu> Disable touch of the tablet in Ubuntu Unity 14.04 | http://askubuntu.com/q/487570
[12:22] <Chipaca> gah. If boot charts were searchable, they'd be a lot more useful
[12:22] <Chipaca> ogra_: what's changed? assuming this didn't happen before (or maybe you've only just noticed?)
[12:23] <ogra_> Chipaca, going backwards through the charts it seems to happen since a while (i only look at the boot process every other week)
[12:24] <Chipaca> ogra_: where more or less in that image can i see push starting multiple times?
[12:24] <ogra_> it started somewhere between 49 and 71 ...
[12:24] <ogra_> scroll down and look for the ubuntu-push-client process
[12:25] <jibel> mhr3, it seems related to the quality of the network connection
[12:25] <ogra_> it should be one ... but i count that it starts at least 5 times
[12:25] <Chipaca> ogra_: 49 and 71 what?
[12:25] <jibel> mhr3, if I move closer to the AP it never crash
[12:25] <Chipaca> it'll try to get the whoopsie id 200 times before crapping out, and upstart will restart it 10 times i think
[12:26] <jibel> mhr3, but if I move farther so the device is still connected but the quality is very low, then unity8 crashes
[12:26] <ogra_> Chipaca, I didnt create bootcharts between image 49 and 71 ... in image 49 it doesnt behave like that
[12:26] <Chipaca> ogra_: ah! ok :)
[12:26] <ogra_> but that definitely doesnt look sane
[12:26] <Chipaca> ev: so. what's the news on the whoopsie bug wrt it needing the interface to be up to find it?
[12:26] <pmcgowan> hey sil2100 and seb128 any progress on Ken's system settings stuff?
[12:27] <seb128> pmcgowan, what stuff? the ofono work?
[12:27] <pmcgowan> seb128, that and the branch he has for sim services
[12:27] <ogra_> Chipaca, you might want to change your upstart job's "start on" contidion
[12:27] <seb128> pmcgowan, he didn't mp any of those, I said I would have a look to that but that requires the bindings to land first and I didn't see that happening yet?
[12:28] <Chipaca> ogra_: to what?
[12:28] <pmcgowan> seb128, right, that was my question, will wait for sil2100
[12:28] <Chipaca> ogra_: (serious, non-flippant question, in case you were reading it that way)
[12:28] <seb128> pmcgowan, k
[12:29] <ogra_> Chipaca, just trying to find out ... one sec
[12:29] <Chipaca> we could also stop using whoopsie for the id
[12:29] <Chipaca> it's got more problems than we've got time to address
[12:29] <Chipaca> ev: much as it'd pain me, I'm seriously considering it
[12:30] <ogra_> Chipaca, start on started dbus and :sys:whoopsie started
[12:30] <ogra_> or so
[12:30] <Chipaca> ogra_: we don't need whoopsie running
[12:30] <ogra_> you need to have an id
[12:30] <Chipaca> yes
[12:30] <seb128> rsalveti, ricmm: the qtubuntu-sensors makes unity8-desktop segfaults on start in utopic :/
[12:30] <Chipaca> whoopsie-the-process isn't the thing that generates the id
[12:30] <Chipaca> ogra_: it's libwhoopsie
[12:30] <ogra_> oh, ok
[12:31] <Chipaca> in fact, whoopsie the process has the exact same problem
[12:31] <Chipaca> but it neither detects nor works around it
[12:31] <Chipaca> so that's a bit worse :)
[12:32] <ogra_> right, i dont see a process running
[12:32] <ogra_> (grepping for "push" in the processlist)
[12:32] <Chipaca> ogra_: it will have given up after 10*200 attempts
[12:33] <Chipaca> ogra_: if you never got an interface up in that time
[12:33] <ogra_> right
[12:33] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ initctl status ubuntu-push-client
[12:33] <ogra_> ubuntu-push-client stop/waiting
[12:33] <ogra_> so it did
[12:33] <Chipaca> "that time" is a lot of seconds, by the by
[12:33] <Chipaca> .6 seconds sleep between each try
[12:33] <ogra_> right, and it respawns like crazy :)
[12:34] <Chipaca> no, it doesn't
[12:34] <ogra_> according to the bootchart it does
[12:34] <Chipaca> still haven't found it :-(
[12:34] <ogra_> each "ubuntu-push-cli" you see there means that it has a new PID
[12:34] <Chipaca> ah, just found one
[12:35] <ogra_> under lightdm you see the "click" entry
[12:35] <sil2100> pmcgowan: hey! Yeah, I did some work yesterday on the libqofono branch, will try pushing it to the archive today
[12:35] <sil2100> pmcgowan: had some other business in-between
[12:35] <ogra_> right after that (below) it starts the first one
[12:35] <sil2100> Then we can push the rest
[12:35] <ogra_> and then you see new ones between the other processes all the time
[12:35]  * sil2100 has lunch now more or less
[12:35] <pmcgowan> sil2100, thanks
[12:35] <Chipaca> ogra_: i'd really like to see the logs of any that took less than 200s*.6=2 minutes to give up and die
[12:36] <Chipaca> ogra_: as those are other issues beyond this whoopsie one
[12:36] <Chipaca> unless
[12:36] <Chipaca> hold on
[12:36] <Chipaca> i might be talking about a fix not yet on trunk
[12:36] <Chipaca> so it might just be trying the once
[12:36]  * Chipaca looks at the changelog he's getting ready for trunk
[12:37] <Chipaca> ogra_: right, so the image have an updated libwhoopsie and not an updated push, so it *won't* be trying 200 times each, just the 10 from upstart
[12:38] <Chipaca> and so, yes, you'll see 10 very quick push-clients dying off, and probably no push running after
[12:41] <ev> Chipaca: I'd rather not introduce that inconsistency and have two different ways of getting a system identifier. It has problems, but wouldn't you run into the same ones with anything custom?
[12:42] <Chipaca> ev: I'd run into a bunch of problems you care about but I don't :)
[12:42] <ev> such as? :)
[12:42] <Chipaca> ev: as having a new id on a fresh reinstall is not a problem for me
[12:43] <Chipaca> that's the narrow-minded "me", there; I do of course understand why using whoopsie would be better, but.
[12:43] <ev> so I thought we agreed that we'd cache the identifier to the filesystem on first generation?
[12:44] <ev> wouldn't that solve the problem of not being able to talk to ofono for you?
[12:44] <Chipaca> ev: yeah. But AFAIK there was a bunch of refactoring associated, and we don't have time (or do we?)
[12:45] <Chipaca> ev: the problem here isn't not talking to ofono; it's the interfaces all being down. Not talking to ofono would be the next problem down the line :)
[12:45] <ev> well, I still think a refactor to use a file-based cache is cheaper than writing something from scratch
[12:45] <ev> and indeed :)
[12:46] <Chipaca> ev: for my narrow jfdi needs, a uuid in ~/.config/ would suffice, i fear. In any case, not going to do it now.
[12:46] <Chipaca> 's a bug, not a feature
[12:48] <ev> ?
[12:48] <ogra_> Chipaca, ev , why dont you use /var/lib/dbus/machine-id ? that should be unique
[12:49] <Chipaca> ogra_: nope, not unique
[12:49] <ogra_> Chipaca, huh ?
[12:49] <ogra_> that would be a super serious bug then
[12:50] <ogra_> it needs to be generated on first start of dbus
[12:50] <ogra_> if it is not and you find two identical ones on two different devices thats definitely a bug
[12:50] <Chipaca> ogra_: when I've checked, it wasn't a 128-bit uuid; maybe that's changed?
[12:51] <ogra_> its just a hash ... not sure if it is supposed to be 128bit
[12:51] <ogra_> in any case it is unique per device
[12:51] <Chipaca> reading the spec, it's a 128 bit uuid
[12:52] <Chipaca> running it on my desktop gives me something believable
[12:52] <Chipaca> 4f5c8eccce900cc3c236deax53a7fdfb
[12:52] <Chipaca> looks like 128 bits to me
[12:52] <ogra_> well, and on the phone you dont ?
[12:52] <Chipaca> I don't have a phone atm
[12:53] <ogra_> well, here it is different between devices  and also 33 chars long ...
[12:53] <ogra_> so i assume its similar to what you have on desktop
[12:54] <Chipaca> that would cover my use case. It doesn't cover ev's, though.
[12:54] <Chipaca> as he needs it to be the same id on reinstall
[12:55] <ogra_> that wont work
[12:55] <ogra_> if you reinstall with --wipe it will format the partitions
[12:55] <ogra_> err
[12:55] <ogra_> with --bootstrap
[12:55] <ricmm> seb128: whats going on?
[12:55] <ogra_> thats what we do with all devices in the lab, with all QA test devices etc
[12:56] <seb128> ricmm, unity8 desktop segfaults on start, in qtsensors code, since your update from yesterday, downgrading make it work back
[12:57] <ogra_> seb128, hold it rotated in portatrait then :P
[12:57] <ogra_> *portrait
[12:57]  * seb128 turns ogra_ in landscape mode
[12:58] <ricmm> seb128: do you have the stack trace?
[12:58] <Chipaca> seb128: we've got to call him ‾ɐɹƃo now?
[12:58] <ogra_> :)
[12:58] <ogra_> haha
[12:58] <seb128> ricmm, getting one, I first downgraded to give a workaround to bschaefer, they are having a sprint and it was impacting them in their work there
[12:58] <ricmm> k
[12:58] <seb128> Chipaca, ;-)
[12:58] <bschaefer> seb128, confirmed that sensor package fixed the issue. Thanks!
[12:59] <seb128> bschaefer, yw!
[13:03] <mhr3> jibel, ah, hm, could you add that to the bug?
[13:03] <seb128> ricmm, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7695008/
[13:03] <jibel> mhr3, I updated the description.
[13:04] <ricmm> mm
[13:04] <ricmm> qtubuntu-0.54+14.10.20140613
[13:04] <ricmm> that looks wrong
[13:05] <ricmm> seb128: we are at 23.3
[13:05] <seb128> ricmm, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu
[13:05] <seb128> ?
[13:05] <ricmm> oh sorry its crashing in qtubuntu not sensors
[13:05] <ricmm> got it
[13:05] <seb128> but it's the qtubuntu-sensors update that makes it crash
[13:06] <seb128> because downgrading that binary to https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-005/+build/6112664/+files/qtubuntu-sensors_0.6%2B14.10.20140619-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb makes it run
[13:06] <ricmm> yea I got that
[13:06] <seb128> k
[13:06] <ricmm> ok give me some minutes
[13:06] <seb128> you don't get the issue locally?
[13:06] <ricmm> I do
[13:07] <seb128> good, makes debugging easier ;-)
[13:07] <ricmm> I'll push a fix with a qtubuntu-sensors landing I have silo'd right now
[13:07] <seb128> thanks
[13:07] <ricmm> seb128: what version did you downgrade to ?
[13:10] <seb128> ricmm, I gave you the url just ^ ;-)
[13:10] <seb128> ricmm, 14.10.20140619-0ubuntu1
[13:10] <seb128> the previous one in utopic
[13:10] <ricmm> yea, found the issue
[13:10] <seb128> great
[13:10] <ricmm> sorry about that
[13:11] <seb128> no worry
[13:11] <ricmm> bschaefer: sorry
[13:11] <ricmm> hopefully will push this soon
[13:11] <seb128> we need some sort of testing in place to make sure that phone landing stop making the desktop not start
[13:11] <bschaefer> ricmm, no worries, got sorted out quickly!
[13:11] <seb128> it has been happening a few times recently
[13:11] <ricmm> that was my bad, I've been testing unity8 desktop since the previous stuff
[13:11] <ricmm> not really sure why I didnt yesterday when landing this
[13:12] <ricmm> I'll make it more explicit in the test plan
[13:12] <seb128> thanks
[14:00] <joke_art> how to install ubuntu touch on chinesse mobile phone?
[14:16] <dobey> joke_art: is it a chinese google nexus 4?
[14:19] <joke_art> no, it's chinesse android phone, not nexus, neither xiaomi or meizu
[14:19] <dobey> then you probably will need to port to the device
[14:20] <joke_art> how?
[14:24] <dobey> !porting | joke_art
[14:25] <dobey> !devices | joke_art
[14:25] <dobey> if your phone isn't on that list, you probably need to port it. there should be a link to the porting guide somewhere on there
[14:33] <frecel> good morning everyone
[14:34] <frecel> how do I simulate getting a text message on the phone?
[14:37] <popey> frecel: pitti may know via phone sim I believe?
[14:38] <frecel> popey: I have good news, I finished a couple of things from last week yesterday and took the rest of the week off to work on the podcacher
[14:38] <pitti> frecel: check out the autopilot tests of lp:messaging-app, they do that
[14:39] <pitti> it's not that simple (you have to control phonesim via the Qt scripting), but it works well
[14:40] <popey> frecel: yay
[14:40] <frecel> pitti: so you're saying it would be easier to just get someone to send me a text message?
[14:42] <popey> frecel: gimmie your number, happy to test ☻
[14:42] <abeato> ogra_, question, how are android groups added to /etc/group?
[14:43] <frecel> popey: let me check if maybe someone has submitted the bug I'm trying to replicate first
[14:43] <pitti> frecel: for an one-off manual test, yes; for writing a test which you need to run a lot, definitively not :) it's just a copy&paste exercise
[14:44] <popey> frecel: well, feel free to send me a text and I'll reply. my phone number is at te bottom of all my mails
[14:46] <frecel> popey: don't you already have my phone number?
[14:47] <popey> no ☹
[14:47] <popey> not in this phone
[14:47] <ricmm> seb128: can you test silo 005 when qtubuntu-sensors is done publishing in there?
[14:47] <ricmm> both packages, platform-api and qtubuntu-sensors
[14:48] <ogra_> abeato, during build by live-build
[14:48] <abeato> ogra_, how can I add one? I need the media group for an OEM
[14:49] <seb128> ricmm, sure
[14:49] <popey> frecel: sent
[14:50] <frecel> popey: thanks
[14:50] <nik90> dednick: ping
[14:50] <ogra_> abeato, in livecd-rootfs ... in live-build/ubuntu-touch/hooks/02-add_user_to_groups.chroot
[14:51] <jdstrand> tedg: hey, I have this work item: add policy for InfographicConfinement (which refers to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/InfographicConfinement). I'm not sure of the status of this
[14:52] <dednick> nik90: hi.
[14:52] <tedg> jdstrand, The person to ask would be pete-woods, I think there's a silo coming for it.
[14:52] <nik90> dednick: hey, I was told by charles that you would be the person to talk to about using Dbus property calls in qml
[14:53] <abeato> ogra_, awesome, thanks
[14:53] <nik90> dednick: Do you happen to know how that can be done? The indicator-datetime package will set a dbus property which I need to read from a confined clock app.
[14:53] <pete-woods> jdstrand: basically we (might?) need a template for infographic "tools"
[14:53] <nik90> dednick: I need to know how read and write into a Dbus property in QML.
[14:53] <frecel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1333740
[14:53] <pete-woods> these are executables that read in some data from .cache, and spit out an SVG to stdout
[14:54] <charles> nik90, well as per jdstrand's comments yesterday it'll probably be old-fashioned dbus getter/setter methods rather than genuine org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties
[14:54] <jdstrand> pete-woods: can you let me know when you are ready for me to proceed? note, I am off next week
[14:55] <nik90> charles: true I would still need to know if I can access those getter/setter methods via QML
[14:55] <dednick> nik90: what kind of property is it?
[14:55] <nik90> charles: can you answer that ^^
[14:55] <dednick> nik90: is it just a dbus property, or is it exposed through an gaction?
[14:55] <charles> nik90, dednick, the getters/setters instead of properties is because apparmor can only mediate to the method
[14:56] <charles> dednick, this would be for getting/setting some alarm config options, eg alarm volume, duration, default sound filename
[14:56] <pete-woods> jdstrand: well at the moment, you can just use a normal app template, which will presumably give you access to the same stuff that your co-packaged app has access to
[14:56] <pete-woods> if that's fine from a security angle, then there may be nothing else to do
[14:56] <dednick> nik90: ok, in that case, i think you'll need to write a qml component in c++ to connect to the dbus property. Not sure if there's dbus built into qml.
[14:56] <charles> dednick, what nik90 and I haven't done is dbus getter method calls inside of qml, so that's the part we're looking for info on
[14:58] <nik90> dednick: Do you happen to have a link or name to the qt c++ class which allows for dbus getter/setter method calls?
[14:58] <jdstrand> pete-woods: since it is just the app's data, that should be fine from a security POV, though I thought that people wanted to have it be very strict, eg, no networking, etc
[14:58] <dednick> nik90: sure. give me a minute to find an example
[14:58] <jdstrand> pete-woods: I also have this work item: "provide apparmor profile for gettext process for infographic"
[14:58] <dednick> nik90: there is no standard class. need to write your own.
[14:58] <jdstrand> pete-woods: that is from like 13.10-- is that just handled by this helper now?
[14:59] <jdstrand> pete-woods: or is that still relevant
[14:59] <nik90> dednick: oh..the example would help in that case since I have not interacted with dbus calls before
[15:00] <pete-woods> jdstrand: I think that's pretty much unrelated and irrelevant now
[15:00] <pete-woods> that was for the old architecture
[15:00] <jdstrand> ok, cool
[15:00] <dednick> nik90: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/view/head:/plugins/Powerd/Powerd.cpp
[15:01] <frecel> popey: can you help me confirm another bug? This one is pretty weird
[15:01] <popey> of course
[15:01] <frecel> popey: start playing music on the phone and turn the screen off, then start rotating the phone and tap on the screen at the same time
[15:02] <popey> do i need to dance a jig too?
[15:02] <dednick> nik90: it's not really the best example. that's conneting to a signal.
[15:02] <frecel> popey: it might help
[15:02] <dednick> nik90: let me see if i can find something better
[15:02] <nik90> dednick: I got to see it use QDbus which I can read more about
[15:03] <frecel> I paused the music a few times by doing that even though the screen was off
[15:03] <popey> hm, i cant even find the music app on my device
[15:03] <frecel> and once somehow opened a dailer and almost made a phonecall, with the screen off
[15:04] <popey> need to debug more
[15:05] <popey> frecel: nothing when i rotate and tap
[15:06] <frecel> popey: tap really fast in random spots, I did that by rotating the phone with one hand and tapping fast all over the screen
[15:06] <frecel> popey: there must be some sweet spot because I found this yesterday by simply grabbing the phone when it was playing music
[15:08] <dednick> nik90: ok. well this example is a bit complex, but base yours on the "CallIndicatorVisible" property.
[15:08] <dednick> nik90: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/telephony-service/trunk/view/head:/libtelephonyservice/callmanager.cpp
[15:08] <dednick> nik90: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/telephony-service/trunk/view/head:/libtelephonyservice/callmanager.h
[15:09] <frecel> popey: I just replicated this two more times on my phone and the third time the whole thing crashed and I had to reboot
[15:10] <nik90> dednick: thnx
[15:13] <frecel> popey: ok the rotation thing seems to be irrelevant now
[15:14] <charles> dednick, does this approach make sense, or would there be a better way of exporting settings from i-datetime to clock-app for nik90 to use?
[15:14] <frecel> popey: but if you turn the screen off while all the music controls are on screen you should be able to use them
[15:16] <popey> lemme see
[15:17] <jdstrand> pete-woods: so, with the InfographicConfinement, does the visualizer need any additional rules for the confinement, or does the standard template wholly cover it?
[15:18] <popey> frecel: music app is missing on my phone #95
[15:18] <pete-woods> jdstrand: the standard template will wholly cover it, although I'm sure it can be argued that it could be confined further
[15:19] <pete-woods> although if you've installed an app in the same click package, that can already go on the network, etc
[15:19] <jdstrand> pete-woods: ah, that is food
[15:19] <jdstrand> good
[15:19] <pete-woods> food = good :)
[15:19] <jdstrand> hehe
[15:19] <frecel> popey: haha, I'm still on 94, I might wait until 96 to update :D
[15:20] <jdstrand> will the visualizer have its own entry in the hooks db (ie appname), or is the visualizer hook in the app's entry? (ie, do the visualizer and the hook have the same appname?
[15:20] <jdstrand> pete-woods: ^
[15:21] <pete-woods> jdstrand: they will most likely share the same appname
[15:21] <pete-woods> as the whole point of the visualiser is to read data that the app has written out
[15:22] <jdstrand> pete-woods: right, but appname isn't needed for that since it is the pkgname ("name" in click manifest) that is used for those app specific directories
[15:22] <jdstrand> specifically so that a dev could ship multiple apps and share data
[15:22] <pete-woods> ah yes, that makes sense
[15:23] <pete-woods> I guess it could be in its own hook, then
[15:23] <jdstrand> if the appname's are not the same, then I can simply adjust the reviewers tools to not allow any policygroups when it is a visualizer
[15:23] <jdstrand> and then we don't need a separate template
[15:23] <jdstrand> s/appname's/appnames/
[15:24] <jdstrand> you would need to specify the security policy twice though, but that would keep things quite clean and make sure that the infographic can't talk to things on dbus, etc
[15:24] <dednick> charles: meh. dbus properties seems like the logical place to me. unless they're to be used in the indicators as well.
[15:25] <jdstrand> and it wouldn't extend the policy of the infographic helper in case the app was specially confined or unconfined
[15:25] <jdstrand> pete-woods: thoughts?
[15:26] <pete-woods> jdstrand: I've just realised I'm talking nonsense
[15:26] <pete-woods> working on too many things at once
[15:26] <jdstrand> sorry (I know the feeling)
[15:27] <pete-woods> the visualisers actually read stuff from ~/.cache/usermetrics/tmp/
[15:27] <pete-woods> and this is the only directory they need to read
[15:27] <jdstrand> ah, so they need special confinement
[15:27] <jdstrand> ie, their own template
[15:28] <jdstrand> I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/InfographicConfinement needs to be updated
[15:28] <jdstrand> pete-woods: could you update that sometime before you are ready for me to do my part?
[15:29] <pete-woods> jdstrand: will do, sure
[15:29] <frecel> popey: why are you torturing people with OCD? http://i.imgur.com/cA9cGlF.png
[15:31] <jdstrand> pete-woods: thanks! note, I don't expect this to be particularly complicated, I just want to make sure we are on the same page and moving in the same direction :)
[15:32] <pete-woods> jdstrand: yep, that makes sense to me
[15:40] <alberto_> jhodapp: for https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/media-hub/use-new-dbus-interface-for-display/+merge/223338
[15:40] <jhodapp> alberto_: hey
[15:40] <alberto_> jhodapp: dbus-cpp will throw an exception when the interfaces are not found
[15:40] <jhodapp> alberto_: yeah I was wondering that...I replied to your comments on that MR
[15:41] <popey> frecel: fixed your ocd
[15:41] <alberto_> jhodapp: you can try the landing-020 ppa
[15:41] <alberto_> jhodapp: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7695647/
[15:42] <jhodapp> alberto_: perfect thanks
[15:45] <alberto_> jhodapp: ok I wil add the try-catch blocks
[15:46] <jhodapp> alberto_: thanks...does the compositor start automatically on boot?
[15:46] <alberto_> jhodapp: yes it does
[15:46] <jhodapp> cool
[15:47] <jhodapp> rebooting
[15:48] <jhodapp> alberto_: yep, that was the issue
[15:48] <jhodapp> alberto_: once you add the try/catch blocks, I'll approve the MR
[15:48] <jhodapp> alberto_: the rest of the code looks good
[15:48] <alberto_> jhodapp: cool thanks
[15:49] <alberto_> jhodapp: is there any logging in media-hub?
[15:49] <jhodapp> alberto_: not anything formal, just use cout/cerr
[15:50] <pete-woods> jdstrand: I've started getting this error - ERROR: Invalid policy version for 'com.ubuntu.scope-click_scope-click_1.0.0.json'. Skipping
[15:50] <alberto_> jhodapp: ok
[15:50] <pete-woods> jdstrand: do you have any suggestions what might be causing it?
[15:50] <alberto_> jhodapp: and where would it go to? is there a log file?
[15:50] <jdstrand> pete-woods: what framework are you using?
[15:51] <jhodapp> alberto_: yes, in ~/.cache/upstart/media-hub.log
[15:51] <jdstrand> pete-woods: and what apparmor policy version?
[15:51] <alberto_> jhodapp: thanks
[15:51] <pete-woods> jdstrand: this is on the desktop, and the policy version is 1.2
[15:51] <pete-woods> I'm just running click install packagename.click
[15:51] <jhodapp> alberto_: I noticed that when I press the power button while playing a video with this media-hub, I don't get the welcome screen when I turn it back on
[15:51] <jdstrand> pete-woods: what is the framework specified in the click manifest?
[15:51] <jhodapp> alberto_: do you?
[15:52] <jhodapp> alberto_: and that means that the video playback doesn't pause
[15:52] <alberto_> jhodapp: oh you need to install the rest of the packages..
[15:52] <alberto_> jhodapp: the full thing is powerd unity8 unity-system-compositor indicator-power media-hub
[15:52] <jhodapp> alberto_: ah ok cool
[15:53] <pete-woods> jdstrand: ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev1
[15:53] <alberto_> jhodapp: sorry, i just gave you those two which affected the crash in media-hub
[15:53] <jhodapp> np
[15:53] <pete-woods> jdstrand: I think it's referring to the apparmor version
[15:53] <jdstrand> pete-woods: interesting. can you give me the click?
[15:53] <jdstrand> pete-woods: right, but the framework and the policy version need to match. 14.10 goes with 1.2
[15:54] <jdstrand> so that is correct
[15:54] <jdstrand> pete-woods: are you installing on a 14.10 system?
[15:57] <pete-woods> jdstrand: yes, just uploading the package somewhere now
[15:57] <jhodapp> alberto_: even after those package upgrades, I still don't get the welcome screen
[15:57] <jhodapp> alberto_: and I did reboot
[15:58] <pete-woods> jdstrand: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qra8pj5m9u5oh7y/com.pete-woods.soundcloud_1.0.3_amd64.click
[15:59] <jhodapp> alberto_: am I missing anything else?
[16:01] <jdstrand> pete-woods: it worked fine here. what is the output of 'cat /usr/share/click/frameworks/ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev1.framework' on the affected system?
[16:02] <alberto_> jhodapp: nope that should be it... was unity8 upgraded?
[16:02] <jhodapp> alberto_: yes it was
[16:02] <jhodapp> alberto_: these things were upgraded: indicator-power unity8 unity8-common unity8-private
[16:03] <jdstrand> pete-woods: and also the output of: aa-easyprof --policy-vendor=ubuntu --policy-version=1.2 --show-template --template=ubuntu-scope-network
[16:04] <alberto_> jhodapp: umm..I see it was rebuilt this morning...let me try here
[16:04] <pete-woods> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7695746/
[16:05] <jdstrand> pete-woods: and the contents of /usr/share/click/frameworks/ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev1.framework?
[16:05] <pete-woods> Base-Name: ubuntu-sdk
[16:05] <pete-woods> Base-Version: 14.10
[16:05] <pete-woods> jdstrand: ^
[16:06] <jdstrand> ok, so the system seems fine
[16:06] <pete-woods> jdstrand: the weird thing is that the soundcloud scope has stopped installing
[16:06] <jdstrand> pete-woods: what about 'cat /var/lib/apparmor/clicks/com.pete-woods.soundcloud_soundcloud_1.0.3.json'
[16:06] <pete-woods> and I didn't think I changed anything
[16:06] <pete-woods> {
[16:06] <pete-woods>     "template": "ubuntu-scope-network",
[16:06] <pete-woods>     "policy_groups": [],
[16:06] <pete-woods>     "policy_version": 1.2
[16:06] <pete-woods> }
[16:07] <jdstrand> pete-woods: can you paste: dpkg -l|grep apparmor
[16:08] <jhodapp> alberto_: ok
[16:08] <alberto_> jhodapp: image #95?
[16:08] <pete-woods> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7695756/
[16:09] <jhodapp> 91 on my mako, I have 95 on flo
[16:09] <jhodapp> alberto_: ^
[16:09] <alberto_> jhodapp: ok
[16:09] <jhodapp> alberto_: I can try upgrading to 95 if you need me to
[16:09] <jdstrand> pete-woods: can you paste: dpkg -l|grep click
[16:10] <pete-woods> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7695765/
[16:10] <jdstrand> I don't have 0.4.28 here. I doubt that is the issue, but let me try it with that
[16:11] <alberto_> jhodapp: it should be ok
[16:12] <jhodapp> ok
[16:13] <jdstrand> nope, still worked
[16:14] <jdstrand> pete-woods: file /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.pete-woods.soundcloud/1.0.3/scope-security.json
[16:14] <jdstrand> it should be ASCII text
[16:15] <pete-woods> jdstrand: is it utf8?
[16:15] <jdstrand> /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.pete-woods.soundcloud/1.0.3/scope-security.json: ASCII text
[16:16] <pete-woods> jdstrand: mine says the same
[16:16] <jdstrand> pete-woods: how about: sudo aa-clickhook -d -f
[16:17] <pete-woods> sudo aa-clickhook -d -f
[16:17] <pete-woods> ERROR: Invalid policy version for 'com.ubuntu.scope-click_scope-click_1.0.0.json'. Skipping
[16:17] <jdstrand> oh wait
[16:17] <pete-woods> only complaining about the new scope
[16:17] <pete-woods> interesting
[16:17] <jdstrand> that is a different click than what you gave me :)
[16:17] <jdstrand> can you give me the click for com.ubuntu.scope-click?
[16:18] <jdstrand> pete-woods: so, there are two problems?
[16:18] <pete-woods> jdstrand: I thought I had the same problem for two different click packages
[16:18] <jdstrand> pete-woods: click-apparmor is likely working for the soundcloud scope. eg, I have:
[16:18] <jdstrand> $ sudo aa-status |grep soundcloud
[16:18] <pete-woods> but I don't
[16:18] <jdstrand>    com.pete-woods.soundcloud_soundcloud_1.0.3
[16:19] <pete-woods> yeah, the soundcloud one is fine
[16:19] <jdstrand> can you paste /var/lib/apparmor/clicks/com.ubuntu.scope-click_scope-click_1.0.0.json?
[16:19] <pete-woods> jdstrand: you've helped me unravel my stupidity
[16:19] <jdstrand> ah
[16:20] <jdstrand> ok, well, then, I guess I'm done :)
[16:20] <pete-woods> :D
[16:20] <pete-woods> I have an old framework specified
[16:20] <jdstrand> right
[16:20] <jdstrand> ok, good. mystery solved
[16:21] <jdstrand> fyi, click-reviewers-tools should help you discover things like that
[16:21] <jdstrand> (though for the moment you should use the package from utopic on utopic, but soon we'll adjust the trusty package to be able to handle utopic frameworks)
[16:21] <pete-woods> cool, I will install this in future
[16:25] <alberto_> jhodapp: yep you are right...it looks like the new build of the unity8 package does not have my MR changes
[16:26] <alberto_> jhodapp: I'll rebuld
[16:26] <jhodapp> alberto_: cool thanks, let me know when I can upgrade and try again
[16:28] <awe_> rsalveti, no audio during phone calls with new module ( installed tp-ofono + your module on #89 )
[16:28] <awe_> rsalveti, I can try flashing today's image after lunch and can re-test
[16:29] <rsalveti> awe_: oh, you need ubuntu-touch-session as well
[16:29] <awe_> ah
[16:29] <rsalveti> libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 pulseaudio pulseaudio-module-bluetooth pulseaudio-module-droid ubuntu-touch-session telepathy-ofono
[16:29] <rsalveti> basically
[16:29] <awe_> k
[16:34] <davmor2> rsalveti, awe: and don't forget the partridge in a pear tree
[16:36] <awe_> rsalveti, looks good from my end.  Didn't test BT at all, but call audio works fine for me, corking seems to work too on incoming calls
[16:36] <awe_> rsalveti, if there's any other specific tests cases you'd like me to run, please let me know
[16:38] <rsalveti> awe_: that's mostly what I wanted you to validate, thanks :-)
[16:39] <awe_> rsalveti, NP
[16:49] <dednick> boiko: hey. i've added a comment to your dialer-app branch. doesn't seem to work
[16:49] <dednick> when i answer a call, the call window doesnt come up.
[16:50] <dednick> "live call window" i mean
[17:17] <mike123> Hello can anyone help in compiling an app for Touch ?
[17:17] <dobey> just ask your question, don't ask to ask
[17:41] <mhall119> beuno: I'm getting all kids of oopses from the click store
[17:41] <beuno> mhall119, yes
[17:41] <beuno> it's broken
[17:41] <beuno> being fixed
[18:37] <dpm> hey dobey, do you know where the translations for "Ubuntu Store" and "Get more apps i..." come from? Are they in unity-click-scope and they just need a .pot update, or are they in a separate project now?
[18:39] <dobey> dpm: they are in the scope
[18:40] <dobey> dpm: the "Get more apps" string should already be in the .pot; "Ubuntu Store" might be in the new .ini file, and i don't know if it's getting translated. i'll check
[18:41] <dpm> dobey, thanks. Yeah, I can see "Get more apps..." in the sources, but it doesn't seem to be in the .pot yet
[18:44] <dobey> dpm: oh, i guess i need to update it manually. i'll do that today
[18:46] <dpm> dobey, cool, thanks. Unrelated to that, I've noticed that on image #95 the preview images are not being loaded from the store when you look at an app preview. Is that a known issue with the store or the scope?
[18:48] <dobey> 13:40 < mhall119> beuno: I'm getting all kids of oopses from the click store
[18:48] <dobey> 13:41 < beuno> mhall119, yes
[18:48] <dobey> 13:41 < beuno> it's broken
[18:48] <dobey> dpm: i presume it's that ^^
[18:48] <dobey> 13:41 < beuno> being fixed
[18:48] <dpm> ah, ok, good to know it's being looked at
[18:48] <dobey> dpm: my phone is still on 50 and there were issues loading images and stuff when i just opened the store on it
[18:49] <beuno> it is fixed now
[18:49] <dpm> beuno, indeed it is, seeing images now, thanks!
[18:57] <dpm> beuno, so now images are downloading, but installing new apps is failing
[19:01] <beuno> dpm, works here
[19:01] <beuno> what's the symptom?
[19:03] <dpm> beuno, working wifi connection, search for an app in the store, click on the icon for the search result, get preview, click install and then download error: http://i.imgur.com/z8BT3bX.png
[19:07] <beuno> dpm, ah, I see
[19:07] <beuno> yes, there's a fallout from the breakage
[19:07] <beuno> I'll let you know
[19:12] <dpm> thanks beuno
[19:37] <jdstrand> awe_: hi! where is the bzr tree for urfkill?
[19:40] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, lp:ubuntu/urfkill
[19:41] <jdstrand> well, that was easy
[19:41] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: thanks!
[19:41] <awe_> jdstrand, pmcgowan, well... that's the auto-created tree
[19:41] <awe_> unfortunately, we're not doing MRs against it
[19:41] <awe_> and building it is a bit of a pita
[19:41] <jdstrand> awe_: should I just use a debdiff for that?
[19:42] <awe_> you could... cyphermox is the maintainer, and he's away this week
[19:42] <pmcgowan> awe_, sorry my bad
[19:42] <awe_> pmcgowan, no worries
[19:42] <pmcgowan> awe_, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7696724/
[19:43] <jdstrand> awe_: so, I'm posting debdiffs to the bug just so people can easily see what I am doing, but also doing MRs like you requested
[19:43] <jdstrand> awe_: (fyi, two more are coming)
[19:43]  * jdstrand is talking about bug #1296415
[19:44] <jdstrand> awe_: so, once I do all that, will you be driving the landing?
[19:44] <awe_> sure... I'll need to work with sergiusens or mandel to create the silo.  Let me know if you'd like me to do some testing prior to silo creation
[19:45] <jdstrand> I think testing in the silo will be fine
[19:45] <awe_> k
[19:45] <jdstrand> I've been running the configuration on my phone for weeks (excepting 03mmsproxy which I added yesterday)
[19:45] <jdstrand> and I'm verifying the packaging is doing the right thing in the emulator
[19:46] <jdstrand> so, between those two, I think we can go straight to a silo once I get all the MRs submitted
[19:49] <awe_> jdstrand, sounds good.  note, we have a pending ofono MR/landing which I just created today, so we not sure if we can land both this week
[19:50] <awe_> jdstrand, we have a weekly network/telephony sync meeting thu @ 10AM EST, maybe you could join and we could discuss landing plan?
[19:50] <awe_> jdstrand, I'm headed out the door now, but let's catch up later today, or tomorrow
[19:50] <jdstrand> awe_: I should be able to make that meeting. just send me an invite
[19:50] <jdstrand> awe_: thanks
[19:51] <awe_> jdstrand, ack
[21:24] <jdstrand> awe_: I know you are away, but officially handing off to phonedations now (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1296415/comments/19)
[22:02] <FireRobot> Selling bitcoin miners?? Computers? Devices? eBooks? Software? Games? Mining contracts? Check this out easy way to sell online   http://t.co/Riwsk6HCpo?title=Sell_Merchandise_Online
[22:06] <daker> ogra_: hi, i still can't take screenshot, anyidea if it's fixed ?
[23:07] <ahayzen> fginther, ping
[23:20] <Elleo> popey: are those file manager MRs needed before the feature freeze, or is file manager not included in that?
[23:21] <Elleo> popey: Ken's on holiday at the moment, but I'll happily take a look at them; it's just I'm a bit rushed at the moment trying to get things finished for the feature freeze, so might not get to it until Friday/Monday
[23:57] <cpyarger> Does anyone here have a working utopic image for the maguro build?


[20:45] <mhall119> welcome ahoneybun
[20:45] <ahoneybun> mhall119, hey
[20:45] <mhall119> welcome to our mostly quite but sometimes active channel :)
[20:49] <ahoneybun> mhall119, thanks
[20:50] <mhall119> alright, sent a msg to the mailing list asking for days/times when people would be available for a meeting
[20:51] <ahoneybun> me?
[20:52] <mhall119> everybody
[20:52] <mhall119> I sent the email, just need people to respond so I can schedule something
[20:53] <ahoneybun> ok
[21:00] <munz> yaaaaay!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:19] <munz> oh snap! i got first on the reply :)
[23:22] <ahoneybun> Looking forward to the meeting
[23:54] <munz> yes me too!


[00:01] <lifeless> mars: no worries
[00:02] <lifeless> mars: one doesn't find out if one doesn't ask
[08:19] <adeuring> good morning
[09:50] <mrevell> Yo
[11:02] <deryck> Morning, all.
[11:10] <jml> morning
[11:12] <jml> deryck, I'm doing some stuff that uses my recent bugs changes and probably counts as QA
[11:12] <deryck> jml, ok, thanks.  I'll update the bugs.
[11:13] <jml> deryck, perhaps best to wait until it's all ok on my end :)
[11:13] <deryck> jml, ah, ok.  I assumed you meant it was ok there.  No problem for me to wait.
[11:31] <lifeless> night y'all
[11:59] <jml> deryck, woot. they both work. (see http://people.canonical.com/~jml/convergence/ which now includes incomplete bugs)
[12:01] <deryck> jml, nice!
[12:01] <jml> (and also, it no longer takes me the better part of an hour to synchronize bugs, because of modified_since)
[14:12] <deryck> adeuring, hi.  You might be interested in bug 598484.
[14:12] <_mup_> Bug #598484: +bugs-text disappeared for meta projects <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/598484>
[14:12] <deryck> adeuring, I think we should fix this before the rollout next week, and I assume we'll need to get mars RC for this unless you are super super fast today.
[14:13] <adeuring> deryck: argh... yeah, you have a point.
[14:14] <deryck> adeuring, I'm adding a card to the bugs backlog on the kanban board now.
[14:14] <adeuring> deryck: OK
[14:14] <deryck> adeuring, I went ahead and assigned to you, so feel free to drag to WIP when you can work on it today.
[14:15] <deryck> adeuring, sorry to just drop one on you :-)  But thanks for taking it on. :-)
[14:15] <adeuring> deryck: sure
[15:30]  * sinzui needs to find a project owned by ~registry that needs a bug tracker registered. Probably a project mirrored from google or a track-based project


[04:45] <mhall119> jono: ping
[05:27] <jono> hey mhall119
[05:33] <mhall119> jono: did you see the register's take on my blog post?
[05:33] <mhall119> :(
[05:34] <mhall119> I've already asked them to correct it
[05:35] <jono> mhall119, no? link?
[05:36] <jono> got it
[05:36] <jono> reading
[05:37] <jono> mhall119, looks like a reasonable write up to me
[05:39] <mhall119> only they made it sound like the official Canonical reaponse
[05:42] <mhall119> the headline bothered me more than anything
[06:31] <czajkowski> morning
[06:38] <czajkowski> mhall119: which article?
[06:51] <jono> mhall119, I wouldn't worry about it, classic El Reg
[07:04] <jono> ok, bed for me
[07:04] <jono> night all!
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <bkerensa> mhall119: I would love to see the link
[08:09] <popey> czajkowski / bkerensa http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/reply/1249584?
[08:09] <popey> bah
[08:09] <popey> czajkowski / bkerensa http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/30/canonical_distrowatch_figures/
[08:10] <bkerensa> thanks popey
[08:11] <popey> mhall119: http://mhall119.com/2011/11/reports-of-ubuntus-death-are-greatly-exaggerated/#comment-1510 you misunderstood jefs reply
[08:12] <popey> his 'last paragraph' comment was about the last paragraph in the reply you made, not the last paragraph in the article
[08:37] <czajkowski> popey: cheers
[08:50] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:14] <AlanBell> I hadn't even heard of distro watch up to a couple of weeks ago
[09:15] <MooDoo> seriously?
[09:15] <MooDoo> wow
[09:15] <AlanBell> yes, seriously
[09:15] <MooDoo> fair enough :)
[09:15] <AlanBell> I still have no idea why I would ever go there
[09:15] <mainerror> Well I knew about distro watch but I didn't visit the site for at least two years.
[09:28] <czajkowski> popey: did you find a suitable laptop to replace the mac?
[09:33] <bkerensa> ;) We should just get all locos to homepage the Ubuntu distrowatch page for a week or two and that will settle this whole flurry of blog posts
[09:34] <MooDoo> i had a look at the one he was thinking about czajkowski thinkpad x220 looks pretty good :)
[09:34]  * mainerror approves all ThinkPads
[09:34] <nigelb> AlanBell: I had hard of it, but I'd never visited it. I actually still haven't visited it.
[09:35] <nigelb> *heard
[10:38] <popey> czajkowski: almost certainly thinkpad x220
[10:39] <dholbach> popey, do it! :)
[10:39]  * dholbach is very happy
[10:39] <nigelb> Almost everyone I know has an x220 now :)
[10:39] <dholbach> and I even got happier when I found out there was a BIOS setting to enable the virtualisation bits ;-)
[10:40] <popey> probably with 9 cell battery
[10:40] <popey> dholbach: is that what you have?
[10:41] <dholbach> hum, I need to check what kind of battery it is
[10:41] <dholbach> I'm usually pretty ignorant to these facts, right after I bought something
[10:42] <nigelb> unless it stopped working :P
[10:42]  * jussi is hanging out for those new ultra slim thinkpads
[10:42] <nigelb> dholbach: is this the one you dropped and got an SSD harddisk for?
[10:43] <dholbach> nigelb, this one I didn't drop yet - but previous laptops I dropped a lot
[10:43] <nigelb> heh
[10:43] <dholbach> I even spilled a full glass of water into the keyboard of my x40 and it survived :)
[10:44] <nigelb> You need one of those Panasonic Toughbooks ;)
[10:44] <dholbach> popey, yes, seems to be 9-cell
[10:46] <jussi> sigh... centrino 1000 is borked on oneiric :(
[10:49] <czajkowski> popey: good to know I see some laptop shopping in my future :)
[10:52] <popey> hehe
[10:52] <popey> i asked on a mailing list what laptop to get, pretty much everyone said thinkpad
[10:52] <popey> and many said x220
[10:52] <popey> seems there's a bit of a club of people with them
[10:52]  * popey notes one next to himself on the desk
[10:54] <jussi> popey: theres a whole wiki just for thinkpads on linux - it rocks
[10:54] <nigelb> popey: are you in Millbank?
[10:54] <czajkowski> popey: you at home ?
[10:54] <jussi> popey: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki - and it seems to have some info for other operating systems users
[10:55] <popey> https://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/141832291675684864
[10:55] <popey> does that answer your question czajkowski / nigelb
[10:55]  * czajkowski waves from E&C :)
[10:55] <czajkowski> hmm X220 is almost 1K
[10:55] <czajkowski> wowoza
[10:55] <czajkowski> I drop stuff
[10:57] <popey> jorge dropped his thinkpad onto concrete
[10:57] <popey> it chipped the concrete
[10:57] <nigelb> popey: That's why I had that question :)
[10:57] <czajkowski> popey: this is good to know
[10:58] <czajkowski> wondering where to buy, UK or IE depending on price
[11:00] <jussi> czajkowski: uk
[11:00] <jussi> After working for dell in both UK and IE sides, uk is definately cheaper
[11:00] <czajkowski> jussi: factor in I have cash in yoyos
[11:00] <czajkowski> so need to allow for exchange rate and moving it over here
[11:01] <jussi> czajkowski: put it to your credit ard and buy like that - easiest, cheapest way of "moving" the money.
[11:01] <czajkowski> nods
[11:01] <jussi> (yes, Ive lived in foreign countries for too long)...
[11:20] <alourie> hello
[11:45] <alourie> popey: too bad you didn't make the servey couple of weeks ago. Lenovo had amazing deals for Black Friday
[11:46]  * alourie is sorry he didn't get anything
[11:51] <popey> heh
[11:51] <popey> not sure we have the same black friday deals here in the uk
[11:51] <popey> although some vendors are trying
[12:03] <alourie> popey: well, where I live, the prices could get up to x2 compared to US
[12:04] <alourie> so, buying with BF deals and shipping it here, +paying all the taxes would bring me at least 30-40% difference to what I can have here
[12:04] <alourie> it was well worth it
[12:04] <alourie> that's why I'm sorry I didn't buy one
[12:04] <alourie> now I'll have to wait for another year
[12:04] <alourie> :-/
[12:52] <scott-work> good morning :)
[12:53] <MooDoo> morning
[13:11] <dpm> hi all
[13:11] <dpm> I've just realised I wasn't on IRC
[13:12] <nigelb> dpm: I suppose you good too productive and then wondered why? ;)
[13:12] <dpm> exactly
[13:13] <nigelb> *got
[13:13] <dpm> I was wondering why I wasn't seeing any updates or pings... :)
[13:13] <nigelb> heh
[13:13] <dpm> I was on my desktop computer, and thought I had started IRC on my laptop
[13:16] <alourie> cprofitt: hey
[13:16] <alourie> I've seen the updates
[13:16] <alourie> I got some new stuff to add there, as soon as I got some time I will
[13:16] <cprofitt> hello
[13:16] <alourie> thanks for the help
[13:35] <dholbach> huats, ping
[13:35] <dholbach> huats, still finishing an email
[13:35] <huats> dholbach: sure
[13:35] <huats> I have noted it at 15:00
[13:37] <dholbach> oh ok
[13:37] <dholbach> :)
[15:13] <czajkowski> popey: looked at http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-zenbook-ux21e-kx004v-11-6--ultrabook-i5-2467m-4gb-128-ssd-w7hp-7RJ3.html
[15:24] <popey> http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-Zenbook-UX21E-Ultrabook.65506.0.html
[15:24] <popey> comprehenisve review czajkowski
[15:25] <czajkowski> popey: thanks just looking at the 13' version now
[15:25] <czajkowski> http://zenbook.asus.com/product/?c=spec
[15:26] <czajkowski> compares them both
[15:28] <JanC> ugh, no separate PgUp/PgDn keys?
[15:30] <AlanBell> popey: that is a really good quality review
[15:34] <popey> just like the mac JanC ☹
[15:34] <czajkowski> popey: great review
[15:34] <JanC> well, I don't want that mac then...  ;)
[15:35] <czajkowski> bit disapointed on the battery life
[15:35] <czajkowski> but i am liking the 13
[15:35] <czajkowski> tempted to go find a pc world or currys tonight to go see one up close
[15:35] <popey> I will almost certainly go thinkpad
[15:36] <JanC> popey: it's one of the things that annoys me most on my Asus EEE 900: always needing two hands (Fn is on the left, the arrow keys on the right) to scroll through a text (or whatever else it is used for)
[15:37] <nigelb> JanC: yeah, I hate that with my work laptop as well
[15:37] <JanC> same for Home/End actually
[15:37] <nigelb> The Home/End is wwhat I miss sorely :)
[15:39] <JanC> I saw one 12' laptop that has a second Fn key on the right, just to the right of te Up key; that might help actually, but I didn't test it
[15:39] <JanC> 12"
[15:41] <JanC> (12' would be somewhat large for a laptop screen :P )
[15:55] <popey> need a big bag for that
[15:56] <nigelb> huh
[15:56]  * nigelb has a 15" laptop screen.
[15:59] <MooDoo> 17 here, dell studio
[16:19] <jcastro> <--- lunching a bit early today
[16:28]  * popey tickles jcastro
[17:02]  * dholbach calls it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:03] <MooDoo> laters dholbach :)
[17:03] <dholbach> bye :)
[18:25] <jcastro> snap-l: this new megadeth album is pretty uninspired
[18:25] <jcastro> I keep it on heavy rotation to try to get into it
[18:25] <jcastro> but it's just not happening
[18:27] <mhall119> jcastro: have you tried turning it up to 11?
[18:27] <mhall119> I hear that helps
[20:50] <snap-l> jcastro: You said that about Endgame
[20:51] <jcastro> yeah but it only really has like 3 good songs on it
[20:51] <snap-l> I'm not sure what form of inspiration you're looking for
[20:51] <jcastro> you could take the last 3 albums, weed out the junk, and have one good one
[20:51] <snap-l> It's no Death Magnetic levels of inspired instrument flagellation
[20:53] <snap-l> "The end that never comes". ;)
[20:55] <jcastro> hah
[20:55] <snap-l> Granted I haven't heard the whole album through
[20:55] <jcastro> that's awesome
[20:55] <snap-l> (13)
[20:55] <jcastro> of course not
[20:55] <jcastro> you are king of jumping to conclusions
[20:55] <snap-l> jcastro: Bullshit
[20:55] <snap-l> jcastro: I listened to Death Magnetic all the way though
[20:55] <snap-l> and I wanted to slit my wrists about halfway through
[20:56] <snap-l> Only song that was halfway decent was Judas Kiss
[20:56] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2009/09/01/death-magnetic-one-year-later/
[20:58] <snap-l> “The Unforgiven III” is every single rock-n-roll cliché, done poorly, times three. The song starts with a piano riff that reminds me of Motley Crue’s “Home Sweet Home”, and devolves from there into a song that’s three times longer than it needs to be. About the only thing it needed was a 40 something with a Chinese dragon shirt yelling “Freebird” while his Zippo lighter
[20:58] <snap-l> illuminated the night.
[21:02] <jcastro> ok you;'re right about that one
[21:03] <snap-l> the problem is Metallica has had three albums to shape up
[21:03] <snap-l> and Death Magnetic was the equivalent of Megadeth's Risk. ;)
[21:04] <snap-l> But even a bad Megadeth album is better than a supposed great Metallica Album. :)
[21:05]  * snap-l puts on The World Needs a Hero
[21:05]  * snap-l switches to Cryptic Writings
[21:14]  * JanC is listening to the new album of Die Anarchistische Abendunterhaltung: “The Shepherd's Dream”
[21:14] <JanC> that's no metal though  :P
[21:21] <JanC> well, "new" -> "newest"
[22:05] <jcastro> < --- EOD
[22:05] <jcastro> hey was bacon around today at all?
[22:05] <jcastro> I think he's at some Qt thing
[22:24] <bkerensa> jcastro: I think maybe way earlier I saw him


[09:59] <RikMills> santa_: what is wrong with dh_kubuntu_list-missing?
[10:42] <RikMills> santa_: urgh. dch_missing output has changed
[10:43] <RikMills> *dh_missing
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi folks


[12:25] <sivang> re
[12:29] <sivang> kiko: had a chance to review my patch ?
[12:30] <kiko> sivang, you must have gotten your email by now no?
[12:31] <sivang> kiko: yes, I have, reading it now, damn thunderbird doesn't refresh the mbox if you don't go out of it and reclick the mbox folder.
[12:35] <kiko> cool.
[12:38] <sivang> kiko: okay, so you'd rather I merged the test to one of the existing tests regarding the spec tracker or better, change an existing test that already tests for the status of a spec upon cretion?
[12:38] <sivang> creation, even
[12:38] <kiko> exactly.
[12:50] <sivang> kiko: cool, however before that, running make check still failes and I'd like to know why. just after pagetests/foaf/20-make-team-moderated.txt , it says it was hung for 600 secs, and then got killed mercilessly. How can I drill down to the source of this?
[12:50] <sivang> kiko: (I gotta make sure this is not related to something I've changed)
[12:52] <kiko> sivang, it's not, you can be sure. it's something else (and it's weird)
[12:52] <matsubara> kiko: also note that sivang's branch is outdated
[12:52] <kiko> yeah, I know.
[12:53] <sivang> kiko: okay, good to know.
[12:57] <matsubara> night all, see you tomorrow
[12:57] <sivang> night matsubara
[01:16] <sivang> kiko: is it okay to merge old style tests with testbrowser stuff?
[01:16] <sivang> kiko: as in, have a pagetest all in the old method, and have one testbrowser action in
[01:17] <kiko> sivang, change the old pagetest to be testbrowsered!
[01:18] <sivang> kiko: I know I know :p bonus points are given even, I was going to, but what if I have a way out of it by just replacing the two occurences you've found with grep -ril , which incidently cater for testing that a sepc by default is statused as 'New' ? :)
[01:19] <sivang> kiko: (although that feels like editing a patch that was created with dpatch, e.g. feels somewhat wrong)
[01:20] <kiko> sivang, you could do that, but then your patch would be less cool!
[01:22] <LarstiQ> hmm, wonder at that google code thing
[01:24] <sivang> kiko: agreed. MOreoer, realizing how ugly the old ones compared to the new test browser makes me wanna turn all the test there to the new format, after I finish with this patch.
[01:28] <sivang> anyway, continue this tomorrow, it's sleep time.
[01:29] <sivang> good night all, thanks kiko.
[01:30] <kiko> night sivan
[03:34] <chaddy_> o/
[04:48] <stub> lifeless: wierd. pqm-submit is choosing the wrong target branch. https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/file0z53Qp.html
[04:48] <lifeless> I think spiv: had that the other day
[04:49] <stub> I'm about to ensure I'm running the current version of the plugin, as per the wiki
[04:49] <stub> That sourcecode/bzr subtree is always causing trouble. It was also being pushed along with the launchpad tree as well (open bug on that I think...)
[04:50] <lifeless> how are you pushing?
[04:55] <stub> rsyncing the entire repository now. The extraneous sourcecode/bzr push I can't remember.
[04:55] <lifeless> spiv: any input for stub ?
[04:58] <spiv> lifeless: you fixed it for me last time.
[04:59] <spiv> stub: in my case, I think it was that my branches.conf had a section that matched the branch specifically, meaning that bzr didn't read the config for the containing directory (i.e. the config our wiki page tells you to add), so pqm-submit just falls back to assuming you want to submit to bzr.dev.
[05:00] <spiv> stub: deleting the unnecessary specific entry for my branch in branches.conf fixed it.
[05:00] <stub> [/home/stub/.canonical-bzr/launchpad/PostgreSQLSession]
[05:00] <stub> push_location = sftp://sodium/home/warthogs/archives/stub/launchpad/PostgreSQLSession
[05:02] <stub> That seems to be the trick. So bzr push breaks bzr pqm-submit (at least in our setup)
[05:02] <spiv> It should still figure out the right push_location without that, because of the public_repository setting.
[05:07] <stub> Bug 54161
[05:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54161 in bzr-pqm "If pqm_branch is not configured for branch path, check if it is configured for the repository path" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54161
[07:49] <stub> lifeless: Can I get pqm rights to merge to rocketfuel/zope/3.2? Or should I just do it manually  on balleny
[08:30] <stub> spiv: Does https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileIAwj0M.html look familiar? Its on my librarian-layer branch, so I probably broke something.
[08:33] <sivang> morning
[08:35] <spiv> stub: is your Twisted up to date?
[08:35] <spiv> stub: because an old Twisted would cause that.
[08:36] <stub> Probably not. Ta.
[08:38] <sivang> stub: not sure if I told ya, but what was failing make schema was dash which is now default in edgy.
[08:40] <sivang> stub: (it's replacing bash)
[08:40] <spiv> Hmm, database/schema/Makefile does do a fair bit of shell stuff.
[08:42] <sivang> spiv: yes, so for edgy either we set up the shell at the top of each snippet or document somewhere to use bash instead of dash
[08:44] <spiv> sivang: or we make our shell usage posixly correct.
[08:51] <sivang> spiv: or that :)
[08:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> does anyone else find LP's karma system to be slightly insane at the moment?
[09:08] <Fujitsu> Kamping_Kaiser, what aspect of it?
[09:08] <spiv> sivang: https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/filesj6IVH.html seems to make it work with bash and dash for me.
[09:09] <spiv> sivang: there may be a cleaner fix.
[09:10] <sivang> spiv: could forward that to me by email? sivan _AT_ ubuntu dot com?
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fujitsu, the number of points going around - i went from 10k -> 110k in ~2 weeks of not doing anything... that means something i've done has recieved *lots* of extra points in the latest scoreshift.
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> the numbers basicly meaningless :)
[09:10] <spiv> sivang: sure.
[09:13] <sivang> spiv: thanks
[10:01] <sivang> ah, good to have X back
[10:03] <bk> Hi, is there anyway to list all the packages contained in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/i386
[10:03] <carlos> morning
[10:03] <bk> the option +allpackages is not working
[10:05] <SteveA> good morning
[10:07] <sivang> mornig SteveA
[10:24] <sivang> hey carlos
[10:25] <carlos> sivang: hey dude!
[10:25] <carlos> seems like you live on this channel ;-)
[10:26] <sivang> carlos: hehe
[10:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> he does :)
[11:32] <sivang> spiv: are you going to commit that fix to RF btw?
[01:14] <carlos> I'm going to stop Staging for 5 minutes for a code update
[01:14] <carlos> please complain now or I will do it in 5 minutes
[01:22] <carlos> staging is back
[02:02] <sabdfl> is staging getting updated?
[02:02] <sabdfl> i landed a branch that was supposed to hide bounties a day or two ago - but it's not reflected on staging
[02:04] <stub> carlos: Are your staging code updates a private branch or have you merged launchpad/devel in there recently?
[02:05] <carlos> it's a private branch but I think it has also merged launchpad/devel as it was yesterday
[02:05] <carlos> stub: anyway, I did a bzr merge of my branch on whatever staging had
[02:06] <carlos> so any code changes until yesterday night should be there
[02:08] <carlos> hmmm
[02:08] <carlos> stub: seems like there is something wrong:
[02:08] <carlos> revno: 3819
[02:08] <carlos> committer: Canonical.com Patch Queue<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:08] <carlos> branch nick: launchpad
[02:08] <carlos> timestamp: Sat 2006-07-22 18:25:33 +0100
[02:08] <carlos> that's the last merge on staging
[02:09] <stub> Hmm... booger.
[02:09] <carlos> sabdfl: anyway, your patch is on my branch
[02:09] <carlos> so it should be on staging atm
[02:11] <carlos> At least, this is latest merge I did from rocketfuel:
[02:11] <carlos>     merged<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:11] <carlos>     committer: Canonical.com Patch Queue<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:11] <carlos>     branch nick: launchpad
[02:11] <carlos>     timestamp: Wed 2006-07-26 11:16:20 +0100
[02:11] <carlos>     message:
[02:11] <carlos>       [trivial]  Hide bounty links till bounty tracker is in beta
[02:11] <stub> carlos, sabdfl: I think it is still updating daily. However, it is using chinstrap instead of sodium.
[02:11] <stub> I'll fix that ;)
[02:11] <sabdfl> thanks much :-)
[02:12] <carlos> stub: please, don't force any code update
[02:12] <carlos> stub: I will do it when I finish my testing session, ok?
[02:13] <stub> carlos: Ok. I'll leave you and Mark to fight over it ;)
[02:13] <sabdfl> i'm easy
[02:13] <sabdfl> in this one, specific case :-)
[02:13] <carlos> sabdfl: isn't your patch already included on my branch ?
[02:15] <stub> carlos: I've updated Makefile.staging anyway
[02:15] <carlos> stub: ok, thanks
[02:15] <SteveA> launchpad sprinters -> lunch
[03:14] <kiko-zzz> man you guys mailbombed me
[03:34] <matsubara> is it a bug that we can't add tags while reporting bugs?
[03:40] <kiko> yeah
[03:40] <kiko> and you can't query for tags either, can you?
[03:42] <niemeyer> kiko: You can, but it's less obvious than it should, IMO
[03:42] <kiko> really? how do you do it?
[03:43] <niemeyer> kiko: In the bugs page there's a list in the bottom left
[03:44] <niemeyer> ?field.tag=something
[03:44] <kiko> I see
[03:48] <cprov> sorry, was offline for 30 minutes due a power outage in my area.
[04:01] <flacoste> kiko: do you think you'll be able to review tt-search today?
[04:01] <kiko> yes.
[04:01] <flacoste> kiko: great!
[04:02] <kiko> I almost did it last night but was very tired
[04:17] <Seveas> kiko, ping v3
[04:17] <kiko> Seveas, I'm battling it out on the mailing list, waiting to chat to SteveA
[04:17] <Seveas> kiko, ok
[04:18] <SteveA> kiko: hi
[04:20] <radix> tsu
[04:20] <radix> man, I never thought of using that as an emoticon.
[04:21] <kiko> hi
[04:21] <SteveA> http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/cjb/codepoints.html
[04:21] <SteveA> the snowman is pretty cool
[04:21] <SteveA> and I always appreciate calling someone a "dong"
[04:23] <kiko> matsubara, est atualizando?
[04:29] <SteveA> kiko: I'm ready to get ready
[04:29] <niemeyer> SteveA: I wonder how long does it take to write the last "thai character" with a pen..
[04:31] <carlos> sabdfl: I'm updating staging with latest rocketfuel code + my changes
[04:35] <jamesh> niemeyer: probably depends on how obsessive compulsive you are
[04:47] <kiko> matsubara, it's updating. slowly though as there is a lot to update
[04:47] <kiko> jamesh, the CVE thing is just a URL change
[04:47] <kiko> jamesh, willing to r+ a patch?
[04:48] <kiko> see email
[04:48] <matsubara> kiko: thanks.
[04:50] <jamesh> kiko: any reason you chose allcves.xml.gz rather than allitems.xml.gz?
[04:50] <jamesh> kiko: we won't get any of the candidate CVEs with that feed
[04:51] <jamesh> with CVEs, an issue is usually pretty old once it leaves candidate state
[04:52] <kiko> jamesh, uhhh, no.
[04:52] <kiko> you're absolutely right
[04:52] <kiko> I'll change that
[04:53] <jamesh> kiko: okay.  The code changes look trivial and correct.  If you change it to allitems.xml.gz and it still works, merge it.
[04:53] <kiko> will do. thank you.
[04:55] <carlos> staging is down atm because patch-67-04-0.sql (related with shipit) is taking ages to be applied...
[04:59] <ddaa> Znarl: can you have a look at whether pqm looks like it's stuck?
[05:05] <flacoste> kiko: i'm looking at bug 41972
[05:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41972 in launchpad-support-tracker "You can linkbug to answered support request." [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41972
[05:05] <flacoste> kiko: should we allow or disallow linking bugs to answered support requests?
[05:06] <flacoste> bug report is about the fact that the items aren't in the menu but using the +linkbug URL works
[05:06] <kiko> flacoste, I don't see why we shouldn't link a bug to an answered request. restricting that seems arbitrary.
[05:07] <flacoste> kiko: i agree
[05:07] <kiko> that's great.
[05:07] <flacoste> kiko: on a more general note, i see a source of problems between the menu and the views that implement them
[05:08] <kiko> go on?
[05:08] <flacoste> i mean that conditions on menu should really be duplicated in the view that implement the actions
[05:08] <flacoste> otherwise, that kind of bug will always occur
[05:09] <kiko> oh, I see what you mean. the pages accessible because they are registered in zcml may not be consistent with the menu
[05:09] <flacoste> for example, the Change Source Package and Edit Request have the same error
[05:09] <flacoste> kiko: exactly
[05:10] <flacoste> Edit Request and Change Source Package are not available on Answered requests, but they will work using the URL directly
[05:15] <flacoste> kiko: as part of the 41972 fix, do you think Edit Request and Change Source Package should still be available on 'Answered' tickets?
[05:15] <kiko> well..
[05:16] <flacoste> currently, they are not, but the URL will work
[05:16] <kiko> what does edit request allow?
[05:16] <flacoste> changing the title and description of the tickets
[05:17] <flacoste> and the original description is lost (it's not saved in a comment like for bugs)
[05:17] <kiko> I'd allow changing them.. any reason why not?
[05:18] <flacoste> actually, at the sprint we talked about dropping that possibility entirely
[05:18] <flacoste> the rationale being that a ticket is more like a conversation than a bug report where you might want to consolidate comments in the description
[05:19] <kiko> well, that's orthogonal as to whether we should include that item in the menu or not :)
[05:19] <flacoste> indeed :-)
[05:20] <flacoste> so leave them all on then?
[05:20] <flacoste> makes it easier to fix mistakes
[05:20] <kiko> I'd do that yes. and I'd also bring the larger issue up with SteveA/mailing list
[05:21] <kiko> matsubara, I don't think -devel syncing is getting us anything at the moment
[05:21] <kiko> matsubara, given that it's in a repository now
[05:21] <matsubara> kiko: well, I never use that one anyway.
[05:21] <kiko> okay, I'll kill it.
[05:22] <kiko> I think the only thing that was missing was for me to ssh in the first time
[05:22] <kiko> which is kinda weird
[05:23] <elmo> ddaa: yes
[05:24] <elmo> pqm        399  0.0  3.6<PHONE_NUMBER>8 ?        S    12:04   0:03              \_ python2.4 -t ./lib/importd/test_all.py
[05:24] <elmo> pqm       2826  0.0  0.0  14112  1048 ?        S    12:05   0:00                  \_ cvs server
[05:24] <elmo> pqm       2976  0.0  0.0  14112  1048 ?        S    12:05   0:00                  \_ cvs server
[05:24] <elmo> pqm       3383  0.0  0.0  14116  1048 ?        S    12:05   0:00                  \_ cvs server
[05:24] <elmo> pqm       3844  0.0  4.3<PHONE_NUMBER>4 ?        Sl   12:05   0:02                  \_ /usr/bin/python2.4 -W ignore::DeprecationWarning:: /srv/pqm.ubuntu.com/chroot-amd64/home/pqm/pqm-workdir/home/---devel/launchpad/lib/importd/baz2bzr.pyc 10 /srv/pqm.ubuntu.com/chroot-amd64/home/pqm/pqm-workdir/home/---devel/launchpad/,,job_test/blacklist
[05:25] <flacoste> kiko: will send an email to the list about the menu/view inconsistency
[05:25] <elmo> ddaa: I can kill it if you want, dunno if I'm meant to tho.  that's not one of the known normal hangs
[05:26] <kiko> cool.
[05:26] <ddaa> elmo: I have been actively turning this code upside down in the last days
[05:26] <ddaa> so I think it's safe to add it to your repertoire of known hangs
[05:26] <elmo> ddaa: ok - and kill it?
[05:28] <ddaa> elmo: please do so
[05:28] <elmo> ddaa: done
[05:33] <ddaa> elmo: does pqm look idle again?
[05:35] <elmo> ddaa: it started doing another test and got in the same hang :/  shall I just forcefully kill the top level test runner?
[05:35] <ddaa> that's very weird
[05:35] <ddaa> you just did a third kill?
[05:36] <elmo> yeah, I keep killing them as they hang
[05:36] <ddaa> okay, it's a dead parrot
[05:36] <ddaa> I'll fix that urgently but just nuking away the baz2bzr test suite
[05:36] <elmo> kill the whole lot?
[05:36] <ddaa> elmo: please
[05:37] <elmo> it's really gone now
[05:38] <ddaa> elmo: it's likely to get wedged in the same way for the next merge
[05:38] <ddaa> until I nuke the code away
[05:38] <ddaa> will keep you posted
[05:38] <elmo> ok
[05:43] <elmo> what's with "DASHDASHDASHdevel" anyway?  pqm is so the home of old school tla fan boys
[05:43] <ddaa> elmo: it's robert's code
[05:44] <sivang> hehe
[05:44] <ddaa> write often, cleanup tomorrow
[06:04] <matsubara> ProgrammingError: ERROR:  function ensure_session_client_id("unknown") does not exist
[06:04] <matsubara> HINT:  No function matches the given name and argument types. You may need to add explicit type casts.
[06:04] <kiko> matsubara, make schema?
[06:04] <matsubara> did already
[06:05] <kiko> hmmm
[06:05] <matsubara> make schema && make run and when I tried to access the local instance it gave me that
[06:06] <jamesh> matsubara: try "dropdb session_dev"
[06:07] <jamesh> matsubara: the database/schema/Makefile has a comment "creating session database if necessary"
[06:12] <matsubara> now it works, thanks jamesh
[06:20] <carlos> so
[06:20] <carlos> staging is broken atm
[06:20] <carlos> and I don't have enough permissions to fix that
[06:20] <jamesh> just so everyone is clear about this, carlos broke staging
[06:20] <ddaa> looks like this merge is going to go in smoothly
[06:20] <carlos> and anyway, tonight will be broken again until stub fixes it
[06:20] <carlos> jamesh: fuck off
[06:21] <ddaa> better let it break on staging, eh!
[06:21] <danilos> carlos didn't break staging, he "just" uploaded some code which broke staging
[06:21] <ddaa> ha right, carlos don't kill people, bullets do
[06:21] <carlos> :-)
[06:23] <ddaa> people, please pay attention for a minute
[06:24] <ddaa> if pqm starts breaking on the baz2bzr tests in importd in a way that becomes a serious problem
[06:24] <ddaa> just merge david/launchpad/nuke-baz2bzr-tests
[06:24] <ddaa> rs=SteveA
[07:07] <kiko> bradb!
[07:08] <bradb> yo :)
[07:08] <kiko-fud> fud but chat to you when I'm back
[07:09] <bradb> sounds good
[08:09] <ddaa> GOOD NEWS
[08:10] <ddaa> the bzr-native back-end for importd is operational
[08:10] <ddaa> rollout will happen early next week
[08:10] <ddaa> now, I have a long evening of celebration in front of me!
[08:12] <kiko> wooo!
[08:14] <sivang> nice :)
[08:46] <jelmer> ddaa: congratulations!
[08:54] <LarstiQ> so _thats_ the reason the naming was switched to Bazaar? ;)
[08:55] <kiko> bradb!
[08:55] <bradb> kiko!
[08:55] <kiko> how's it going my man
[08:55] <kiko> feeling better?
[08:56] <bradb> pretty much
[08:56] <bradb> i switched to a dentist that uses lasers. he seems pretty cool.
[08:56] <kiko> wow
[08:56] <kiko> lasers
[08:57] <bradb> a root canal still seems in my future.
[08:57] <kiko> you brush those teeth
[08:57] <bradb> but, hard to say when
[08:57] <bradb> i do! twice a day, even.
[08:57] <bradb> and floss
[08:57] <kiko> and floss!
[08:57] <bradb> it's all about flossing at night though, instead of the morning
[08:57] <bradb> and fewer macadamia nuts
[08:57] <kiko> really?
[08:57] <kiko> macadamias are not particularly hard on the teeth are they?
[08:58] <bradb> er, macadamias, i meant
[08:58] <bradb> i.e. sugary cookies
[08:58] <kiko> oh. yeah, sugar is not good.
[09:02] <kiko> bradb, can you check out https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileS7uGTV.html
[09:02] <kiko> it's a small change
[09:03] <kiko> containing one XXX and a few simplifications
[09:20] <kiko> hey stub
[09:22] <bradb> hmph, i seem to have lost my irc connection 20 minutes ago.
[09:22] <kiko> bradb, did you get my /msg?
[09:22] <bradb> kiko: nope
 bradb, can you check out https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileS7uGTV.html
 it's a small change
 containing one XXX and a few simplifications
[09:22] <kiko> matsubara, did you see stub's latest email to carlos on launchpad-list?
[09:23] <bradb> kiko: ok, just a couple mins while i finish this email
[09:24] <kiko> sure thing.
[09:25] <matsubara> kiko: any particular thing I should pay attention to?
[09:25] <kiko> matsubara, the session database bustage?
 matsubara: try "dropdb session_dev"
 matsubara: the database/schema/Makefile has a comment "creating session database if necessary"
 now it works, thanks jamesh
[09:25] <matsubara> kiko ^^
[09:26] <matsubara> that fixed it.
[09:26] <kiko> aha!
[09:39] <bradb> kiko: maybe that method would be easier to follow if it were like:
[09:39] <bradb> if binarypackagename:
[09:39] <bradb>     ...
[09:39] <bradb> else:
[09:39] <bradb>     ....
[09:40] <kiko> bradb, not really, though I could break it into separate methods.
[09:40] <kiko> bradb, my questioning was more if selectFirst would actually work there, AND if my XXX is relevant.
[09:46] <bradb_> my wireless sucks
[09:46] <bradb_> kiko: presumably you didn't see my comments?
[09:46] <kiko> heh
[09:46] <kiko> I did
[09:46] <kiko> well, only one comment
[09:46] <bradb_> so, to recap
[09:47] <bradb_> i think it would read easier if it were formatted as:
[09:47] <bradb_> if binarypackagename:
[09:47] <bradb_>     ...
[09:47] <bradb_>     return ...
[09:47] <bradb_> else:
[09:47] <bradb_>     ...
[09:47] <bradb_>     return ...
[09:47] <bradb_> and that the variables should be called source_package_publishing and published_package, instead of both being called publishing.
[09:47] <kiko> bradb_, again, else: after return makes no sense..
 bradb, my questioning was more if selectFirst would actually work there, AND if my XXX is relevant.
[09:48] <bradb_> kiko: why doesn't else after a return make sense?
[09:49] <kiko> because it's extra text and indentation that doesn't add any clarity, and because that's not what's confusing about the method
[09:49] <kiko> my question is more if selectFirst could be used there, and if the XXX is relevant.
[09:52] <bradb_> kiko: it's clearer to me anyway, because it makes it easier to see that there's a return in the middle of the method. the distribution.txt test should be able to tell you if .selectFirst will work.
[09:52] <matsubara> bradb_: is there any bug open to implement a milestone command in the email interface?
[09:53] <bradb_> matsubara: doesn't look like it
[09:55] <matsubara> matsubara: ok, thanks.
[09:57] <bradb_> kiko: the first selectFirst is missing an orderBy, btw
[09:58] <kiko> good catch
[09:59] <kiko> bradb_, and it's an actual bug, too!
[09:59] <bradb_> or more, the code around it
[10:01] <Seveas> kiko, have you been able to fight with SteveA?
[10:02] <kiko> Seveas, he said he's fine with it
[10:02] <kiko> I am mustering the guts to go out and do it
[10:02] <Seveas> hehe, good luck ;)
[10:02] <kiko> since I have to change this in multiple places
[10:02] <kiko> sure thing
[10:03] <Seveas> let me know when you did it, it requires some configuration on my side after that to prevent an inital mailflood
[10:03] <kiko> sure
[10:03] <Seveas> (well, it is prevented now by making sure NO new bug reports are sent in here, will have to undo it properly)
[10:03] <bradb_> kiko: it looks to me that non-context is a bug there. it looks like it could happily return a published binary/source package name combo from another distribution, which would be a bug.
[10:05] <kiko> bradb_, so should I restrict to distribution=self?
[10:05] <bradb_> kiko: first, i'd write a test to verify. i /think/ we have enough sample data to even make it work.
[10:05] <bradb_> which is to say, make it break
[10:14] <matsubara> kiko: do you know if salgado was working on something related to this: OOPS-208A141?
[10:14] <Ubugtu> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/208A141
[10:18] <kiko> matsubara, hmmm, that's very strange. I don't know.
[10:18] <kiko> it seems to be complaining that the user would have two approved.. well, actually
[10:18] <kiko> salgado's change /would/ modify that
[10:18] <kiko> I'm not sure it would fix the problem though
[10:19] <bradb_> kiko: hm, i don't think we have the test data to write a test for that bug, atm
[10:19] <kiko> bradb_, what are we missing -- packages?
[10:39] <bradb_> lost connection again, even though i'm sitting /beside my router/
[10:39] <bradb_> kiko: in case you missed it, the failure can be reproduced by 1. adding a current release for gentoo, and 2. filing a bug on bp linux-2.6.12
[10:40] <kiko> bradb_, cool.
[11:28] <cprov> kiko: have you seen https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/2006-06-11/A728 about the Build/BuildQueue prejoin hack ? Do have a minute to talk about it ?
[11:29] <kiko> not yet, lemme see
[11:30] <cprov> kiko: check query 17 & 21, for instance.
[11:30] <kiko> cprov, okay, the problem is the following: you need to change the way you grab the data.
[11:30] <cprov> kiko: how ?
[11:31] <kiko> cprov, well...
[11:31] <kiko> currently what you do is grab builds and then for each build you traverse over a join column to buildqueue, right?
[11:31] <cprov> kiko: the query 21 should not be issues since the 17 lready populated the cache with BQ.build=202097 row, isn't it ?
[11:32] <kiko> cprov, the cache is only accessed by id. if you look at that query it is specifying a build id in the where clause..
[11:32] <kiko> cprov, what template is that?
[11:33] <cprov> kiko: ahhh, I see
[11:33] <cprov> builds-list.pt
[11:34] <kiko> mmm, a batch.
[11:34] <cprov> kiko: can't I change BQ.build to be an alternateID or something similar, would it help ?
[11:34] <kiko> it could help, but I doubt it
[11:34] <kiko> cprov, is it a singlejoin?
[11:35] <cprov> kiko: yes, do we have it from upstream sqlobject ?
[11:35] <kiko> yes, but that won't help you here.
[11:35] <cprov> kiko: yeah, I was about to say that ...
[11:35] <kiko> cprov, so what causes those queries to be issued? is it traversing through to buildqueue_record?
[11:36] <cprov> kiko: exactly, a selectOne property
[11:36] <kiko> that's bad.
[11:37] <cprov> singleJoin could make the code saner, even if doesn't help to not issue multiple queries, do you agree ?
[11:38] <kiko> not really
[11:38] <kiko> it wouldn't improve things very much
[11:38] <jordi> kiko: wow I got a weird mail involving you today
[11:38] <kiko> involving ME?
[11:39] <kiko> cprov, one thing you can do which is easy, is caching the buildqueue record so you at least don't fetch it 3 times
[11:39] <kiko> cprov, putting it into a dictionary
[11:39] <jordi> someone who saw pics of us in Montral I assume, and thought you were someone she knew in 1997, in Spain
[11:39] <jordi> german girl who was 17 at the time.
[11:39] <jordi> I told her it wasn't you most probably, but she now has your website url. Maybe I just started something really romantic. :)
[11:40] <cprov> kiko: cached_property ?
[11:42] <cprov> jordi: wow, don't say things like that to him, he just lost the track of my question ;) see ?!
[11:43] <jordi> X)
[11:43] <kiko> cprov, no, putting it in a dictionary
[11:43] <kiko> jordi, what girl?
[11:44] <kiko> I lived in spain in 1998, not 1997.
[11:44] <kiko> cprov, in the view. and then pulling it out using python:
[11:44] <kiko> cprov, I don't like that very much, though, so...
[11:44] <kiko> cprov, I have another idea :)
[11:44] <jordi> kiko: woa, I had no idea
[11:44] <jordi> kiko: natja?
[11:44] <kiko> hmmmm
[11:45] <jordi> she met you one night in the costa brava. :)
[11:45] <cprov> kiko: okay, other than view.dict  ?
[11:45] <kiko> cprov, yeah. I mean view dictionary is better than nothing, but the /right/ way to do this is to assemble a new object type, I think.
[11:46] <kiko> jordi, hmmm. probably not me. costa brava? you mean figueires, etc?
[11:46] <cprov> kiko: BuildCollection, BuildBatch or so ?
[11:46] <jordi> kiko: yup
[11:46] <kiko> yeah, maybe just CompleteBuild in the view class
[11:46] <kiko> jordi, I don't think I've ever been there. are you sure you're not replying to spam? :)
[11:47] <jordi> no, totally :)
[11:47] <jordi> too bad kiko, she was deeply in love with you!
[11:47] <kiko> cprov, so that build could contain data from the build and from the buildqueue entries. and you'd iterate over /that/
[11:48] <kiko> jordi, hey, tell her to write me :)
[11:48] <cprov> kiko: good point, I'll try to implement something in this direction, thank you :)
[11:48] <kiko> cprov, I just don't know how that would interact with batching
[11:49] <kiko> cprov, because you would need to do this for rendering the batch. basically, you'd need to convert the items in the batch to something else. hmmmm. I think I know how to do that
[11:50] <cprov> kiko: can I extend the batch specially for Builds ?
[11:50] <kiko> cprov, no, instead, don't use view/batchnav/currentBatch.
[11:51] <kiko> cprov, use view/convertedBatch
[11:51] <kiko> which internally converts the items in view/batchnav/currentBatch to these CompleteBuild monsters.
[11:51] <jordi> kiko: I was thinking exactly that :)
[11:52] <kiko> jordi, I guess you don't have pictures or anything of her, eh?
[11:52] <kiko> :)
[11:52] <cprov> kiko: uhm, makes sense ...
[11:52] <kiko> or view/completeBuilds
[11:52] <kiko> anything like that -- the names are less important
[11:53] <kiko> cprov, then, what you do is you do a query on BuildQueue
[11:53] <kiko> and then group BuildQueues by Build
[11:53] <kiko> cprov, this is similar to what I do in browser/bugcomment.py
[11:53] <kiko> cprov, check out that file -- you'll see that I grab all MessageChunks and then group them into BugMessage objects.
[11:53] <kiko> you'll need to do something similar
[11:54] <jordi> kiko: too bad, eh? :)
[11:54] <cprov> kiko: I see, I need to iterate over currentBatch of Builds, find out which BQ I want, fetch them and finaly glue them in the completeBuild list properly
[11:54] <kiko> but it will be less complicated I believe in your case because you don't need to glue message chunks together! just grab a build queue and a build.
[11:54] <kiko> cprov, hmmm, no, come to think of it, that won't work. hmmmm.
[11:55] <kiko> well, it would work
[11:55] <kiko> it'd just require an extra query
[11:55] <kiko> there is a way to do this using just one query
[11:55] <kiko> but to do that
[11:55] <kiko> you'd need to put CompleteBuilds into your batch
[11:55] <kiko> which probably requires subclassing batchnavigator to be efficient
[11:56] <kiko> gah.
[11:56] <cprov> kiko: yes, what I thought before, but looks too complicated for now, isn't it ?
[11:56] <kiko> cprov, so yes, I think your approach will be an improvement -- two queries in the page instead of 100
[11:56] <kiko> cprov, yes. I think it's worth a try. if we still have perf issues there, we'll deal with them.
[11:57] <cprov> kiko: okay, it's kind of 3 x DEFAULT_BATCH_SIZE queries ...
[11:57] <cprov> kiko: indeed, will comment the bug and start working, thank you again.
[12:02] <kiko> okay, cool.
[12:03] <jordi> kiko: I didn't know you lived in Spain. Where?
[12:06] <kiko> jordi, lleida.
[12:06] <jordi> oh I see.
[12:06] <jordi> don't tell me you worked at lleida.net :)
[12:09] <cprov> kiko: dude, don't forget my review for builder sec adapters, elmo is going to kill me if we don't release it next week :(
[12:09] <kiko> yeah
[12:10] <cprov> good, tks, let's look for some dinner ... see you later, or tomorrow


[05:31] <SupreX> can anybody just tell if I can use bcrypt with freeradius... or if I have to use a different encryption algorithm...
[05:31] <SupreX> Is bcrypt an suitable option?
[05:31] <SupreX> In case I would even be able to use it...
[05:57] <SupreX> Nobody?
[05:57] <SupreX> I ask again... if somebody missed my question.
[05:57] <SupreX> can anybody just tell if I can use bcrypt with freeradius... or if I have to use a different encryption algorithm...
[05:57] <SupreX> Is bcrypt an suitable option?
[05:57] <SupreX> In case I would even be able to use it...
[11:48] <jamespage> coreycb, I'm going to add a transitional package for neutron-lbaas-agent -> neutron-lbaasv2-agent
[11:49] <jamespage> otherwise users will end up with both running
[11:49] <jamespage> maybe
[11:51] <jamespage> actually no I'm not - the upgrade itself will uninstall neutron-lbaas-agent due to the hard versioning bounds we use between neutron-lbaas packages
[11:56] <xnox> python-oslo.privsep needs MIR, because python-nova now depends on it.
[11:56] <ddellav> jamespage if you have some time today, please review and push the liberty branches of lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/neutron-fwaas lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/neutron-lbaas and lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/neutron-vpnaas, vpnaas didn't have an upgrade but i imported anyway to keep the version number even with the others.
[11:57] <xnox> ah 1616764
[11:57] <xnox> ah bug #1616764
[12:15] <jamespage> xnox; lots of rbd's as of friday :-)
[12:16] <xnox> =)
[12:17] <xnox> jamespage, i wonder if i should tweak things in britney somehow.... at the moment mir check generates an excuse, and doesn't trigger autopkgtests at all =(
[12:17] <xnox> imho the MIR check should not prevent running the adt tests
[12:38] <stephanbuys> hi all, I'm using 16.04 systemd-networkd, and I've blacklisted (with a key file) all my interfaces, so that networkmanager doesn't manage them, but I'm getting a secondary IP address assigned to my primary network interface, even though its already set a static interface (using networkd) - any ideas?
[12:38] <stephanbuys> I dont want to completely disable networkmanager as I use it for wifi configuration from time to time
[13:04] <Geom`> can i put a variable inside the variable? e.g.....
[13:04] <Geom`> RESULT=fail=0
[13:10] <cpaelzer> Geom`: with a bit more context it might be easier to answer
[13:10] <cpaelzer> Geom`: what language and what is what you want to achieve
[13:50] <cpaelzer> stgraber: ever tried to run a kvm inside a lxd container?
[13:50] <cpaelzer> stgraber: I thought I dropped all isolation I could, but it still blocks me pretending it couldn't work with kvm kernel things
[13:51] <cpaelzer> stgraber: if you ever had that running and have some notes let me know
[13:56] <jamespage> cpaelzer, I have
[13:56] <jamespage> cpaelzer, https://github.com/openstack-charmers/openstack-on-lxd
[14:01] <cpaelzer> jamespage: ta, while I'm not sure yet I can use your juju bits for what I'm currently doing it proves it has to work some way :-)
[14:01]  * cpaelzer is reading through that stuff to identify potential workaroudns jamespage might have used
[14:04] <jamespage> cpaelzer, the lxd profile is probably most interesting for you
[14:05] <cpaelzer> yeah already reading that
[14:05] <cpaelzer> I already had some parts of it, I'll have to check what difference remains
[14:23] <cpaelzer> jamespage: ta++
[14:24] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I had mostly the same solutions before but on commandline
[14:24] <cpaelzer> jamespage: the only diff was on the /dev/mem and /dev/kvm
[14:24] <cpaelzer> jamespage: there I had the sledgehammer of
[14:24] <cpaelzer> lxc config set "${containername}" raw.lxc lxc.aa_profile=unconfined
[14:24] <cpaelzer> jamespage: but combining what I had with your great yaml did the trick
[14:24] <cpaelzer> so, thanks!
[15:18] <stgraber> cpaelzer: lxc config device add <container> kvm unix-char path=/dev/kvm
[15:25]  * jelly waves at Lornzer
[15:25] <Lornzer> :)
[15:26] <Lornzer> hey guys, having some troubles with a webRTC server ( janus ) crashing from time to time - i assume its related to a 3rd party library setup which I did before
[15:27] <Lornzer> the error log of the app gives me the following:
[15:27] <Lornzer> janus: symbol lookup error: janus: undefined symbol: g_type_check_instance_is_fundamentally_a
[15:28] <Lornzer> the 3rd party libraries I installed are libSRTP & usrSCTP, both configure && make install'ed on the same server which is having issues now
[15:28] <jelly> Lornzer: do state which libraries you installed and how you managed to apparently configure; make; make install them under the /usr prefix
[15:28] <Lornzer> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6550f144e14cc0efc43ebd932ec2347a
[15:28] <Lornzer> this is the script I used to install libSRTP
[15:29] <Lornzer> the one for usrSCTP looks pretty much similar, except a different source of course
[15:29] <jelly> Lornzer: do you perhaps have logs of the build and installation attempts for all the software mentioned, libSRTP, usrSCTP and janus?
[15:30] <jelly> also which ubuntu release are you using and was this "janus" thing built specifically for that release?
[15:30] <Lornzer> i didnt save any logs specifically - would syslog save any relevant info to that?
[15:31] <Lornzer> using ubuntu xenial on the affected server
[15:31] <Lornzer> oh i see
[15:31] <Lornzer> its running on another instance without problems, turns out that instance is running ubuntu trusty
[15:32] <Lornzer> this shouldnt affect the library setup process from the gist shared though, right?
[15:38] <Lornzer> the janus binary is exactly the same size / date on both servers (one running ubuntu trusty, one ubuntu xenial / slightly different linux kernel versions) -> can I assume that this is the cause for the error message (instead of the libraries as i suspected originally)?
[15:49] <cpaelzer> stgraber: thanks
[15:50] <stgraber> cpaelzer: that's how I run my libvirt server, that and some block device passthrough from ZFS
[15:50] <cpaelzer> stgraber: already got an even nicer solution including a custom default profile, but still it is reassuring that you are kind of referring the same
[15:51] <cpaelzer> stgraber: just migrated my kvm guest via two "different" KVMs that are only split by lxd containers
[15:51] <cpaelzer> so - working
[15:51] <cpaelzer> althou one has to convince libvirt a bit that these are two different systems
[15:51] <cpaelzer> :-)
[15:52] <cpaelzer> stgraber: for shared images I just use a dir mountfrom host into all the guests being part of the same profile
[15:52] <cpaelzer> stgraber: no need for more sophisticated block passthrough (yet)
[15:52] <Lornzer> i reinstalled / compiled the janus gateway on the machine and it is working / not crashing so far now :) thx for leading me on the right path jelly
[15:53] <Lornzer> while i'm at it: when talking about compiling packages from source = is this referring to the ./configure && make install process or does it refer to something else/more ?
[16:02] <Lornzer> that question was too stupid, huh? ;) anyway thx for the help!
[16:28] <jamespage> xnox: still around? Poking at our broken yakkety builds on a trusty host atm
[16:28] <jamespage> with latest sbuild I hit:
[16:28] <jamespage> D: Error run_fetch_install_packages(): Undefined subroutine &Sbuild::ResolverBase::deps_iterate called at /usr/share/perl5/Sbuild/ResolverBase.pm line 1042.
[16:32] <xnox> jamespage, around, one sec.
[16:33] <jamespage> xnox: that's provided by newer dpkg - but not entirelty happy with backporting that as well :-)
[16:33] <xnox> jamespage, is $ dpkg -l sbuild libsbuild-perl => match versions?
[16:33] <jamespage> xnox: yeah
[16:33] <jamespage> libdpkg-perl is the providing library
[16:33] <xnox> sigh.
[16:34] <jamespage> xnox: I'm trying dropping in the deb from yakkety
[16:34] <jamespage> not on our build server (ina vm)
[16:35] <jamespage> sbuild is working now - need to see if dpkg exploded or not
[16:35] <xnox> whilst that should work, that's not the minimum required version. I was expecting that 0.67.0-1 is enough with apt-keys removed on the host
[16:35] <xnox> or welll 0.67.0-1ubuntu1. I can remember if you tried that already.
[16:37] <jamespage> xnox: I did same issue - it also calls deps_iterate
[16:38] <xnox> nested sbuild is the answer? =)
[16:38] <xnox> schroot -> xenial -> run sbuild there to build things in yakkety
[16:39] <xnox> you should be able to start xenial lxc container on trusty, no? and then push/pull files to that and sbuild from there?
[16:39] <xnox> all of it sounds ugly. Is upgrade to xenial too painful?
[16:40] <xnox> we may have a problem in launchpad, if trusty hosts can't build thing =/
[16:42] <jamespage> xnox: quite possibly yes
[16:49] <jamespage> xnox: lift and shift of deps_iterate directly into ResolveBase works around this for me
[17:27] <PCdude> http://askubuntu.com/questions/820925/how-do-i-set-a-dns-server-in-maas-that-will-be-passed-on-to-the-nodes
[18:00] <seph> hello
[18:02] <PCdude> seph: hello?
[18:29] <guest> I am wanting to know If there is any way to enable a GUI on my server
[18:30] <lordievader> guest: Why do you want to do that? Is there a need for a gui on your server?
[18:30] <guest> Yes, it is for my personal use, and I was wanting to do it as a learning experence
[18:31] <lordievader> The easiest way is installing a lightweight desktop, it will pull in all the X dependencies.
[18:34] <guest> Ok, How do you do that? do I use the sudo command to install it
[18:35] <OerHeks> lightweight desktop: openbox, mate-desktop, lubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop >> sudo apt-get install <package> # and to activate: ctrl alt F7
[18:37] <guest> thank you
[18:44] <guest> @OerHeks I know this mostlikly to never happen but could you install more then one GUI
[18:44] <guest> For the server
[18:46] <OerHeks> guest, sure, then you can switch after logging out > switch DE > login
[18:46] <guest> oh ok
[18:46] <lordievader> You can install as many as you want ;)
[18:47] <lordievader> Unless disk space runs out or something.
[18:47] <guest> Ah, very cool I though if you installed more then one it would break it or something like a but
[18:47] <OerHeks> guest, but remember, server starts in tty2 = ctrl alt F2, to get the gui: ctrl alt F7
[18:47] <guest> I understand
[18:48] <guest> ok
[18:52] <guest> Now when I use the gui will it be easy to navagate all the server tools
[18:52] <lordievader> Most server tools are commandline only.
[18:52] <guest> I checked everything during installing my server
[18:52] <guest> oh ok
[18:55] <guest> Thank you for all your help :)
[20:02] <Fiki> hello guys, I can't fix the OpenSSL Padding Oracle(CVE-2016-2107), even though my openssl is version 1.0.2h and I have restarted my server, btw version 14.04.05
[20:41] <PCdude> I get the following error
[20:41] <PCdude> http://imgur.com/a/Z47K1
[20:41] <PCdude> the log file does not show anything
[20:42] <PCdude> any idea on how to solve it?