[00:06] <TheLordOfTime> you guys treat this like any feature request bug, right?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1186754
[00:06] <TheLordOfTime> it came up in privmsg with someone asking if it should be marked as "wishlist" / "triaged" as a feature request
[00:16] <infinity> TheLordOfTime: The triager who decided it wasn't a bug seems a bit overzealous.
[00:16] <infinity> TheLordOfTime: jbicha made some fair points as to why this change might be a good thing (consistency, reduced complexity).
[00:17] <TheLordOfTime> infinity:  agreed on the overzealousness we're addressing that now
[00:18] <TheLordOfTime> infinity:  my main question was whether you'd treat it as a feature request :)
[00:18] <TheLordOfTime> at least, as the devs.
[00:18] <infinity> TheLordOfTime: Wishlist certainly seems more valid than Opinion.
[00:19] <TheLordOfTime> infinity:  that's what i thought, but i don't want to tweak "upstream project" statuses.
[00:19] <TheLordOfTime> infinity:  no harm in setting the upstreams back to "new" as they were and let upstream change those bugs' statuses, right?
[00:19] <infinity> TheLordOfTime: Seems fair.
[00:20] <infinity> I'm not even sure why "opinion" exists, except to make people not feel bad by setting bugs to "invalid".
[00:22] <TheLordOfTime> i agree
[00:22] <TheLordOfTime> TBH i think 'Opinion' should be bugcontrol only
[00:23] <TheLordOfTime> because i see it occasionally abused :/
[00:23] <infinity> I might start filing all my bugs as "opinion" and starting all the descriptions with "It is my opinion that..."
[00:23] <infinity> eg: "It is my opinion that this shouldn't segfault when I start it."
[00:25] <TheLordOfTime> heh
[00:25] <TheLordOfTime> infinity:  objections to Wishlist/Triaged which is afaict the usual standard for feature requests in the ubuntu packages?
[00:25] <TheLordOfTime> since i specialize in server packages, i like double checking on packages outside that specialization before messing with em :p
[00:26] <infinity> TheLordOfTime: Nope, seems fine to me.  If the desktop team or s-c hackers decide it should be something else, they can change it.
[00:28] <TheLordOfTime> infinity:  indeed, done btw.
[00:29] <TheLordOfTime> i'm going to go back to facedesking over the fact that nginx FTBFS on centos with the same command line options as nginx-full has in ubuntu >.<
[04:44] <pitti> Good morning
[05:51] <pitti> slangasek: what was broken in particular about 0010-Add-back-support-for-Debian-specific-config-files.patch ? all the {time,hostname,locale}ctl commands were working, now timedated is broken (see failing autopkgtest)
[05:52]  * pitti checks the difference
[05:52] <slangasek> pitti: missing support for /etc/default/keyboard, which is where our keyboard settings are stored
[05:52] <pitti> ah, thanks
[05:52] <slangasek> pitti: hadn't seen the failing autopkgtest yet, sorry - are you going to sort that today, or should I have a look in the morning?
[05:53] <pitti> slangasek: I can sort it out today
[05:53] <slangasek> ok
[05:53] <pitti> slangasek: I'd rather restore Debian's patch and do our's as a new patch on top of it if you don't mind, for easier merging
[05:53] <pitti> and I have a proposed fix for smb's crash
[05:54] <slangasek> pitti: as you prefer.  any sign yet of mbiebl's branch being pushed to the official packaging branch?
[05:54] <pitti> not yet :(
[05:55] <slangasek> strange that timedated would be failing, I thought the patches I changed only touched localed
[05:56] <pitti> no, also src/timedate/timedated.c
[05:57] <pitti> hm, I'm not sure whether Debian also uses /etc/default/keyboard; mbiebl, do you know?
[05:57] <pitti> we did quite some work on that on the ubuntu side AFAIR
[06:01] <slangasek> I haven't checked to be sure, but I'm almost positive that's in sync with Debian
[07:02] <smb> pitti, Moin. I will be in a state to test things (or even look at them) in a min or so
[07:02] <pitti> smb: ah, the amd64 systemd build in my PPA should finish in a few mins, too :)
[07:02] <smb> heh :)
[07:03] <pitti> smb: thanks for your investigations; I think I see the race condition with 0024-avoid-exit-deadlock-for-dm_cookie.patch, which also explains why it doesn't crash without that patch
[07:04] <smb> pitti, Ah ok. I did not get to a good explanation last week. There was (or is) a difference in the way that "force" was able to raise the number of childs but then I never remembered having seen messages about that
[07:05] <pitti> that patch basically keeps the worker running for a DM_COOKIE event, despite having been told to stop
[07:06] <pitti> I still don't quite understand why we need this, but you confirmed that you are still missing /dev/mapper/ devices without the patch
[07:07] <pitti> in theory, this hack of a patch shouldn't be necessary, as /etc/init/udevtrigger.conf should re-trigger all devices (for non-root partitions), and the initramfs already waits for the root partition to appear
[07:07] <smb> Yeah, the missing links seem independant, but as you said in the bug report (which I am slowly reading) lets first fix the crash and then look for the rest
[07:08]  * smb reached the bottom and prepares to boot the noisemaker
[07:08] <pitti> smb: I think missing the links is exactly what that patch was supposed to fix?
[07:09] <pitti> smb: https://launchpad.net/~pitti/+archive/ppa/+build/4637729 -> done :)
[07:10] <smb> It should, but strangely I got the missing links also when booting non-xen which most of the time did not run into the crash
[07:10] <pitti> smb: but after that, perhaps we can boot your version without the patch again, and see why /etc/init/udevtrigger.conf doesn't create the missing devices
[07:11] <smb> sure we can
[07:16] <dholbach> good morning
[07:36] <infinity> pitti: BTW, ddebs are very close to landing now.  Could you have a chat with wgrant to nail down what you'll need to change in your mirror scripts to make ddebs.u.c love the new world order?
[07:36] <pitti> \o/
[07:37] <pitti> wgrant: I guess I primarily need some API to retrieve the (links to the) recent ddebs, where "recent" should mean something like "from the last day" or "from the last 6 hours"
[07:38] <infinity> pitti: I was thinking you might want to do something more clever like backtrack from current Packages/Sources and scrape (and keep a cache, so you don't keep retrying ones that don't have ddebs attached).
[07:38] <pitti> wgrant: but I guess that might actually be similar/the same one as for the static translation tarballs?
[07:38] <pitti> such as in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/langpack-o-matic/main/view/head:/lib/static_translations.py
[07:38] <wgrant> pitti: They're not custom uploads, so not quite the same as that
[07:38] <pitti> infinity: yeah, or that; mapping a source plus version to a set of ddeb links then
[07:38] <wgrant> I'd either scrape from Packages or just follow getPublishedBinaries
[07:39] <pitti> wgrant: so they are part of getPublishedBinaries(), they just don't appear on archive.u.c.?
[07:39] <StevenK> RIght.
[07:39] <infinity> pitti: Well, more likely Packages than Sources, I guess, since ddebs are attached to binaries.
[07:39] <wgrant> lp.distros['ubuntu'].main_archive.getPublishedBinaries(created_since_date=last_check_etc)
[07:39] <smb> pitti, Ok, I need to do more reboots for a qualified result. This first one with the ppa udev version at least had no crash and all 31 lvs of the second vg but none of the first one.
[07:39] <wgrant> pitti: Exactly
[07:39] <wgrant> pitti: They're published like normal binaries, except that they don't actually hit disk or appear in the indices.
[07:39] <StevenK> pitti: And then you can filter by .is_debug
[07:40] <pitti> ok, then mapping by published ones seems fine
[07:41] <infinity> pitti: This should have the positive effect of ddebs.u.c no longer carrying cruft from PPAs, too.
[07:42] <pitti> exactly
[07:42] <infinity> pitti: Anyhow, we plan to do a soft transition where we upload via .changes and keep publishing tarballs to public_html, but I want the latter to go away as quickly as it can.
[07:45] <shadeslayer> infinity: :O ... we're going to get ddebs? :O
[07:46] <StevenK> We've had ddebs for a while? This is ddebs actually being handled properly by Soyuz rather than the hacky band-aid we've had for far too long.
[07:47] <wgrant> (but still not on archive.ubuntu.com, for space reasons)
[07:47] <infinity> pitti: To be clear, you now have space to publish ddebs for all arches, right?  You're not pruning anymore?
[07:48] <infinity> pitti: I know vorlon had a bit of a grump about retracing being completely useless on powerpc due to missing ddebs.
[07:48] <shadeslayer> ah
[07:49] <pitti> infinity: /dev/mapper/ppa_vg-ppa  2.8T  685G  2.2T  25% /srv
[07:49] <pitti> infinity: should be fine indeed
[07:49] <StevenK> Haha, I thought that LV name was familiar
[07:49] <infinity> pitti: Yay.  Though, I know there was also a plan to make retracers fall back to the librarian if ddebs didn't have the file, so that'll also be helpful if ddebs fills up somehow.
[07:50] <infinity> StevenK: Yeah, ddebs is germanium, all repurposed-like.
[07:50] <infinity> And apparently not wiped..
[07:50] <StevenK> infinity: Change the hostname in apache, delete most of /srv, call it done?
[07:50] <pitti> infinity: indeed, and I think that's the better mid-term solution even as we can also retrace crashes from earlier package versions
[07:51] <pitti> infinity: but I guess we still want an actual archive for ddebs, for people who use it with apt
[07:51] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, I like the apt archive existing and, ideally, that should be "published" in a sane fashion, but a bit of shoestring and bubblegum between A and B works.
[07:51] <infinity> pitti: And absolutely, retracers being able to retrace old versions will be great.
[07:59] <zyga> good morning
[08:01] <pitti> slangasek: hm, I tried "localectl set-x11-keymap pc101 et" and that only wrote /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf, didn't change /etc/default/keyboard
[08:02] <pitti> slangasek: I'm writing a complete autopkgtest now, and will fix this (also for reading)
[08:04] <jamespage> @pilot in
[08:06] <jamespage> mdeslaur, re bug 1184223
[08:07] <jamespage> will the security team be picking up the fixes for < saucy?
[08:10] <pitti> slangasek: ah, ignore me; screw you, autogenerated debian/patches/debian-changes
[08:12] <didrocks> pitti: mind if I join to the complaint from past similar experiences? ;)
[08:35] <pitti> smb: would you say that 11pitti1 generally improves things (maybe not completely fix it yet)?
[08:35] <pitti> smb: I'm pondering an upload to re-fix timedatectl, and that crash fix
[08:36] <pitti> smb: if/when you would like to debug again, perhaps we can mumble?
[08:36] <smb> pitti, So I got a few more reboots (takes a bit on that machine) but at least those are consistent and look like an improvement at least
[08:36] <smb> sure
[08:47] <dpm> morning all. Is there an archive admin around who could upload qreator on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+queue ? It's been sitting there for a while, and it'd be great to have it in Ubuntu. Thanks!
[08:51] <Laney> doko: around? Can you look at this calligra no-change rebuild log and tell me if you think it's a gcc-4.8 issue please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5728708/
[08:52] <Laney> It builds alright with 4.7
[09:11] <infinity> Laney: Can you crank up the verbosity on that and try again?
[09:11] <infinity> Laney: It just shows the command line and exits, that's not helpful. :P
[09:12] <Laney> infinity: look further up, sorry
[09:12] <Laney> it's a parallell build
[09:12] <Laney> line 9291
[09:12] <infinity> Oh, I missed the earlier exit.  It seems to cascade a few times. :/
[09:13] <Laney> Probably would have been kinder to rebuild it without parallel=9 when sharing the log :P
[09:18] <infinity> Laney: It could be http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57279
[09:18] <Laney> I did come across that
[09:18] <Laney> didn't seem to be a 4.8.1 package in the usual place that I could test with though
[09:18] <infinity> Or it could be bad C++.  My C++ skills aren't stellar.
[09:19] <infinity> Laney: It's not fixed in 4.8.1 anyway, hence the milestone bump to 4.8.2
[09:19] <Laney> ah, I misunderstand the last comment then
[09:19] <Laney> indeed
[09:19] <Laney> would it be bad to upload a build with 4.7?
[09:20] <infinity> Wouldn't be world-ending, but it would be nice if you also filed a bug in LP, mention that upstream bug that may or may not relate, and keep an eye on things.
[09:20] <infinity> When doko uploads a new gcc-snapshot, that should have the upstream bugfix in it (the current one is three days too old to...)
[09:20] <Laney> right
[09:22] <Laney> This should get us to migrating poppler, AFAICT
[09:24] <seb128> Laney, do you know why update_output.txt lists libreoffice-mysql-connector ?
[09:25] <Laney> seb128: entangled with mysql-connector-c++
[09:25] <seb128> ah, ok
[09:26] <seb128> Laney, ok, I see they both should be fine with the uploads you did + calligra
[09:26] <Laney> seems fine - the autohinter picks it up if you look near the end of the file
[09:56] <xnox> seb128: Laney: i'm looking into gdcm build failure rabbit hole, so far I am down to patching vtk to rebuild against updated python2.7....
[09:56] <seb128> xnox, did the upload Laney just did failed to build?
[09:56] <xnox> hm.
[09:57] <xnox> seb128: hm. it works. =) oh well, vtk does need rebuilding anyway.
[09:58] <Laney> I did briefly look at new vtk and bashed its rules about a bit
[09:58] <Laney> it assumed python and tcl were in non-multiarch directories
[10:00]  * xnox suspects my machine is polluted with local builds.
[10:01] <Laney> xnox: http://paste.debian.net/8208 was my WIP before I stopped because mitya57 had a sponsoring request up that didn't need it
[10:01] <Laney> feel free to carry it on
[10:04] <xnox> Laney: so calligra is the last one for poppler to transition?!
[10:04] <Laney> think so
[10:04] <hrw> can someone with core-dev permissions take http://pastebin.com/n1TLE7rU and upload libwps? fixed ftfbs
[10:06] <infinity> hrw: Sure.
[10:06] <hrw> infinity: thx
[10:11] <cjwatson> pitti: Re the ddebs discussion above, did anyone happen to mention that ddebs doesn't seem to be picking up saucy-proposed?
[10:11] <cjwatson> i.e. http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/dists/saucy-proposed/main/binary-i386/ has an elderly timestamp
[10:12] <pitti> not to me
[10:12] <pitti> ooh, I know why
[10:12] <pitti> traditionally I have generated the pockets for the devel release once after opening the series only
[10:13]  * pitti updates cronjobs
[10:13] <pitti> we don't let the LP retracers run against saucy-proposed so far, though
[10:14] <cjwatson> pitti: Yeah, I was trying to figure out something manually.  Thanks
[10:14] <pitti> cjwatson: fixed, thanks
[10:14] <cjwatson> (I fell back to a local build, successfully)
[10:14] <pitti> (it's currently running, so it'll take some 4 hours to become effective)
[10:15] <pitti> I wish apt-ftparchive wouldn't be so abysmally slow
[10:15] <infinity> Laney: export CPP=gcc-4.7?  ITYM CC?
[10:15] <infinity> Laney: Though, I'm sure the CXX export will get what you wanted anyway.
[10:15] <Laney> oops, but yeah
[10:16] <Laney> it was test-built, so that's enough
[10:17] <infinity> (curious that exporting CPP=CC doesn't make something explode, but whatever)
[10:53] <pitti> cjwatson: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/dists/saucy-proposed/main/binary-i386/ is current now, FYI
[10:53] <pitti> s/current/up to date/
[10:54] <cjwatson> pitti: Great, thanks
[10:54] <Sargun> Saucy = 13.10?
[10:55] <cjwatson> Yes
[10:56] <Sargun> Almost out of letters
[10:56] <pitti> unicode has a loooot of letters left :)
[10:56] <Sargun> nooo
[10:57] <mlankhorst> lets start with glyphs
[10:58] <cjwatson> Sargun: We reused our first initial letter five years ago
[10:59] <maxb> But that was a bit of a special case
[11:01] <cjwatson> Sure, but nevertheless
[11:01] <cjwatson> It demonstrates that the universe will not end when we reuse a letter
[11:29] <jamespage> please could someone with the right permissions
[11:29] <jamespage> mark https://code.launchpad.net/~sdeziel/ubuntu/raring/mysql-5.5/fix-for-lp1185573/+merge/166379
[11:29] <jamespage> as merged.
[11:38] <mdeslaur> jamespage: yes, the security team will be doing them (LP: 1184223)
[11:39] <jamespage> mdeslaur, great - thanks for confirming.
[11:39] <mdeslaur> jamespage: we've rated it as "low" though, so it may take a while
[11:40] <mdeslaur> hrm, since someone has a tree, we'll sponsor that and do the others
[11:41] <jamespage> mdeslaur, great - thanks
[11:52] <jamespage> @pilot out
[12:42] <cjwatson> infinity: So, I'm getting pretty bored carrying on with merging your generalisation to all arches of the perl = TRUE stuff in r-base (see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679180).  I agree that your version is saner, but it looks like the Debian maintainer ignored it, and since raschsampler appears to build just fine with current r-base on Debian arm* these days, I'm sort of inclined to drop the patch and ...
[12:43] <cjwatson> ... call it good.  Any thoughts
[12:43] <cjwatson> ?
[12:54] <stokachu> xnox: if you get a chance today could you re-upload sosreport for me?
[12:55] <stokachu> ive fixed the non native thing
[13:45] <stokachu> xnox: thanks man
[13:47] <xnox> stokachu: =)
[15:18] <hallyn> the sgabios package is currently in debian's NEW queue.  When it clears, will it be automatically pulled into universe?  Or does a switch need to be toggled?
[15:19] <mlankhorst> the wiki has instructions on how to get packages in universe
[15:22] <hrw> hallyn: man requestsync
[15:22] <hallyn> mlankhorst: what i saw only said "if you can, get it in through debian' but didn't say how to get it into universe from there
[15:23] <hallyn> hrw: ok, thanks.  i'm not motu, but if that needs to be done i'll get it done - thanks
[15:25] <tumbleweed> hallyn: it'll be automatic (as in you don't need to ask), but will need an archive-admin to review it
[15:25] <hallyn> cool, thanks.  Just need to wait on that before qemu 1.5-3 goes into saucy
[15:34] <cjwatson> hallyn: it's automatic
[15:34] <cjwatson> ah, tumbleweed said
[15:34] <hallyn> great - thanks
[15:34] <cjwatson> if it happens before DebianImportFreeze, it doesn't really require much in the way of archive admin - it goes straight past source NEW (we trust Debian ftpmasters enough for that) and binary NEW is pro-forma
[15:53] <dholbach> mfisch, congratulations! :)
[15:53] <hrw> is it normal that launchpad assumes that maintainer==uploader when package is synced from debian?
[15:54] <hrw> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vboot-utils/0~20121212-2 lists Antonio as uploader...
[15:55] <tumbleweed> hrw: yeah, look at publishing history for the details
[15:55] <tumbleweed> the UI never really learned about syncs
[15:55] <hrw> tumbleweed: thanks
[16:03] <mfisch> thanks dholbach
[16:05] <Versable> Hey, can someone help me with bzr?
[16:07] <Versable> I have copied a branch into my own bzr branch, changed a couple of files, added a recipe and pushed it into my PPA
[16:09] <Versable> but it only build an i386 build, even though in the control file Architecture: all is specified
[16:10] <Laney> hmm
[16:10] <tumbleweed> Versable: you want Architecture: any
[16:10] <Laney> what's responsible for creating the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR?
[16:10] <tumbleweed> Versable: Architecture: all is for architecture-independant packages
[16:11] <Versable> tumbleweed: Thanks, the package might be architecture independant, I'll check before changing the control file
[16:12] <Laney> some tests in glib now expect to be able to write there but nothing creates it apparently
[16:13] <Versable> tumbleweed: Doh! It was, thanks though ;)
[16:13] <cjwatson> If it really is architecture-independent, then you would only expect an i386 build (since it builds arch-indep binaries), but it would still publish for all arches
[19:05] <bdmurray> kirkland`: did you say you could verify bug 1173209?
[20:41] <infinity> cjwatson: The r-base hack is just a hack anyway, regardless of if it's arch-specific or not, it doesn't fix the real bug, just works around it.
[20:42] <infinity> cjwatson: If the Debian maintainer's hackish workaround works as well as mine, I'm not emotionally attached to mine.
[20:49] <infinity> cjwatson: iz synced now.
[21:34] <quadrispro> hi there
[21:35] <cjwatson> infinity: Ta
[23:15] <bdmurray> robru: would you have a look at bug 1164302?


[15:04] <Nikratio> Is there a way to ask the Karmic upstart *why* a particular job is not running/being started? If have configured a job with "start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE=eth0)" but I always have to start it manually...


 #ask
 I've been switching from windows to linux this week (dual boot windows + kubuntu), even though it's not 100%
 I want to ask... how come the sound on Linux seems a bit broken, doesn't it? different times on windows.
 is there a solution?
[02:51] <glenix> hello
[03:08] <R13ose> 22.04 - My laptop froze earlier and when I came back, the wifi and bluetooth icons on the panel disappeared and I can't connect to either of them.  How do I bring them back and turn them on again?
[03:10] <arraybolt3[m]> This might be silly, but did you shut the system all the way down and turn it back on again?
[03:11] <R13ose> Not yet!  I'm only trying to shut the system as the last resort.
[03:12] <arraybolt3[m]> R13ose: OK. Well, I know a trick for resietting just Bluetooth.
[03:12] <arraybolt3[m]> *Resetting
[03:12] <R13ose> Let's try
[03:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T, then run "sudo modprobe -r btusb".
[03:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Then once that's done, wait a bit, then run "sudo modprobe btusb".
[03:13] <arraybolt3[m]> That will shut down the Bluetooth driver and then turn it back on.
[03:15] <R13ose> That worked.
[03:15] <R13ose> Now what about wifi and getting back the icons on the panel?
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/a550c07d/file_58044.jpg
[03:30] <R13ose> I got wifi to work and the panel icon to come back on.  Now to get the bluetooth icon to come back.
[03:30] <arraybolt3[m]> R13ose: Nice going on WiFi. For Bluetooth... hmm.
[03:31] <R13ose> Thanks
[03:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Can you try "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth.service"?
 this is what it looks like (re @Oov: )
[03:34] <R13ose> arraybolt3[m]: that worked.  Thanks for your help
[03:34] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oov: OK, right-click the iso9660 partition and click Unmount, then send another screenshot.
[03:34] <arraybolt3[m]> R13ose: Glad to help, and glad it worked!
[03:35] <R13ose> :)
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ac7de613/file_58045.jpg
 it worked
[03:36] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oov: Nice. MS-DOS partition table, then send another screenshot.
[03:36] <arraybolt3[m]> (Actually, I don't need the third screenshot I just realized.)
[03:36] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oov: Once the MS-DOS partition table is made, see the big bar at the top of the screen that represents the partitions? It will say "Unallocated" in it. Right-click it.
[03:37] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oov: Then click the "New" button, and change the filesystem to "fat32". Then click OK.
[03:37] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oov: Last step is to click "Apply" in the toolbar, confirm, and wait for it to format.
 witch type of partition should i create ?
[03:37] <arraybolt3[m]> fat32.
 gtp or ms-dos ?
 haa
 thanks
 Please help me ubi partman failed with exit code 141
 Thanks
[03:51] <arraybolt3[m]> @Gama1iel You're trying to install Kubuntu, right? Also, may I ask which version of Kubuntu you're using?
 20.04 sir (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> @Gama1iel You're trying to install Kubuntu, right? Also, may I ask which version of Kubuntu you're using?)
[03:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Gama1iel: Did you check the ISO file's SHA256 hash before writing it to the USB drive?
 I don't really know, because I'm still new to kubuntu
[03:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. OK. Do you have another computer other than the one you're currently using?
[03:57] <arraybolt3[m]> (If so, we can make sure the ISO is written correctly to your USB drive.)
 Of course not, I'm using an office laptop (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. OK. Do you have another computer other than the one you're currently using?)
[03:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Gama1iel: Oy. OK, you're booted into the "Try Kubuntu" screen, right?
 is there a possibility that my iso file is corrupted
[03:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or can you boot into the "Try Kubuntu" screen?)
[03:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes, it's possible the ISO is corrupted or the flash drive is bad.
[03:59] <arraybolt3[m]> It's also possible this was
[03:59] <arraybolt3[m]> just a random glitch.
[04:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Did you get all your important data off of the computer before trying this?
 No, im instal kubuntu not try kubuntu (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> (Or can you boot into the "Try Kubuntu" screen?))
[04:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Gama1iel: Right. But, you have two computers then, right? One that you're trying to install to and one that you're typing from?
 can you provide the iso file link, i will download again
[04:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Gama1iel: Yeah, sure.
 I'm typing using my phone sir (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Gama1iel: Right. But, you have two computers then, right? One that you're trying to install to and one that you're typing from?)
[04:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Oy. OK. Well, are you still able to boot the computer into Windows?
[04:03] <arraybolt3[m]> If not, then the "Try Kubuntu" feature will give you the ability to use the computer again so that we can get it back up and running normally.
 yes you can sir (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Oy. OK. Well, are you still able to boot the computer into Windows?)
[04:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Then we can get a new USB drive ready with Kubuntu and try to install again.
[04:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Whew. OK, if you've not already backed up all of your files and data on this system, do so now, so that if things go wrong, you have a recovery plan.
[04:05] <arraybolt3[m]> (Unless this is a brand-new computer, of course.)
[04:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Gama1iel: Kubuntu link: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/22.04/release/kubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.iso (Note that this is Kubuntu 22.04, which I'm giving you because Kubuntu 20.04 goes out of support in about 9 months.)
[04:07] <arraybolt3[m]> If you really wanted 20.04, here's the link to that: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/20.04.4/release/kubuntu-20.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso
[04:18] <user|41> im having trouble running the ISO on windows 7, do i need an additional program to run the ISO?
[04:18] <arraybolt3[m]> user|41: You don't run it. You flash it to a USB drive and boot from it. BalenaEtcher should let you do that.
[04:19] <user|41> awesome possum
[04:26] <magic_ninja> why does matrix make it so unobvious when it comes to signing up for an account
[04:26] <magic_ninja> no kubuntu, but yea lol
 when the 22.04.1 will be released?
[06:21] <alkisg> In August
[06:51] <kena> hi!
 4th August (re @Oov: when the 22.04.1 will be released?)
[07:44] <user|83> how to install Kubuntu wia terminal&
[07:45] <mzamenski_de> You mean WSL?
[09:54] <jeronimo> No support tools were found for file systems currently present on hard disks in this computer:
[09:54] <jeronimo> Partition
[09:54] <jeronimo> File System
[09:54] <jeronimo> Support Tools
[09:54] <jeronimo> URL
[09:54] <jeronimo> /dev/nvme0n1p3
[09:57] <jeronimo> I was trying to read a disk previously managed by my qnap nas and try something I read on a forum(https://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?t=114348).  They said reinstalling mdadm and lvm2 would make the kde partition manager recognize the volume group.
[09:58] <jeronimo> did I now break my system?
[09:58] <jeronimo> pfff
[09:58] <jeronimo> better do a backup I guess
[10:01] <jeronimo> sorry about the flooding
[10:08] <tomreyn> !paste | jeronimo
[10:08] <tomreyn> you can also pipe command output into   |& nc termbin.com 9999
[10:24] <jeronimo> tomreyn: thx
 Hm, something funny happened to firefox's address bar during the update. It's quite short now. https://i.imgur.com/QR9BN0M.png
 Can't seem to resize it
[11:06] <arraybolt3> @npeippo: Perhaps it's your Firefox theme's fault? See if switching to the default theme works - if so, switch back to your fancy theme and see if it still it working or if that breaks it.
 Let's try, thanks
 Nope, doesn't change anything in default theme
 I also tried customize toolbar -> restore defaults, but it doesn't help
 Everything was fine before the snap update yesterady :/
 It shows like this when the address bar is active, but there's still not enough room for the address https://i.imgur.com/lF3iDDP.png
 Oh, nice. Telegram doesn't open links anymore at all 🙃
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:15] <grim_> Hello all.  My fairly recent install of 18.04 on dell xps 15 7590 hangs on boot. X fails to start, appearing to segfault when trying to set the screen mode.
[13:16] <grim_> Appears to happen when loading libglamoregl.so
[13:17] <arraybolt3[m]> grim_: Kubuntu 18.04 is EOL (though Ubuntu 18.04 is still supported). Can you try installing Kubuntu 22.04 and see if that resolves the problem?
[13:18] <grim_> Not an option at this moment unfortunately
[13:19] <arraybolt3[m]> grim_: Does your laptop have nVidia graphics?
[13:20] <grim_> arraybolt3[m]: yes, GeForce GTX 1650
[13:20] <arraybolt3[m]> grim_: If you chose to install the proprietary drivers, try skipping that. Or if you chose to not install the proprietary drivers, try doing that.
[13:27] <grim_> arraybolt3[m]: is a command-line dist upgrade likely to be feasible?
[13:29] <arraybolt3[m]> grim_: If this is a fresh install, yes.
[13:29] <arraybolt3[m]> You will need to be able to connect to the Internet - if you need WiFI, try using "nmtui" to connect.
[13:31] <grim_> 'reasonably' fresh.  lvm full-drive encryption a snag?
[13:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Probably not. I'd give it a shot (after backing up!), worst case scenario you can reinstall.
[13:33] <grim_> Yeah I would dearly love not to do that.
[13:34] <grim_> K thanks for the pointers
[13:34] <arraybolt3[m]> grim_: Do not attempt an upgrade unless you've backed up any important data. Upgrades can and do go horribly wrong, and if the reason you don't want to reinstall is because of a lack of backups, this is very dangerous.
 And what will be new? (re @RikMills: 4th August)
[14:24] <BluesKaj> @Oov ask in #kubuntu-devel
 Plasma bugfixes I hope, and other bugfixes (re @Oov: And what will be new?)
[15:41] <glenix> Hey guys can anyone help me I have a print server that I cant access when i type it into a web broswer but I can ping it... Its a dns issue im using papercut.. and for soem reason i cant get this figured out
 We got new kernel in kubuntu, but my sounddevice and formware from cpu not working
 Hope this get fixed until 5.20
 Whats the rumors about rust into the kernel?
 That would qualify as off-topic. (re @Oskar: Whats the rumors about rust into the kernel?)
 What is this? (re @IrcsomeBot: <BluesKaj> @Oov ask in #kubuntu-devel)


[00:03] <poncho> ...
[00:03] <poncho> anyobody speak spanish ?
[00:03] <poncho> quit
[00:03] <poncho> exit
[14:10] <mib_nvyh80> #ubuntu
[18:41] <AB_MCA> #ubuntu


[18:31] <cjwatson> wgrant: Would you mind re-reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/git-ref-remote-blob/+merge/348089 ?


[00:01] <komodo169> TheFriendlyOnes: sent you a link to sourcelist generator...you might already know of it?
[00:03] <TheFriendlyOnes> komodo169: I have not, but now i do, thanks
[00:04] <komodo169> okand be VERY careful with it - lol
[00:05] <komodo169> len:  you still there?
[00:12] <yarjar> Anyone else getting sluggish performance? :/
[00:21] <komodo169> yarjar: on what version?
[00:33] <taiyal> is there any way to reduce the latency between sending a message in Quassel and having it show up in the chat?
[00:33] <taiyal> as it stands it feels likethere's about a 150ms delay
[00:34] <valorie> that has to do with your connection
[00:34] <valorie> my lag is 199ms today
[00:34] <valorie> crap
[00:34] <taiyal> ah, okay
[00:34] <valorie> but that's comcast for ya
[00:34] <taiyal> I'm used to Xchat not waiting until it receives the pingback from the server to display what you've typed
[00:34] <valorie> this is in Konvi, would be the same in IRSSI or Quassel or Xchat, etc.
[00:35] <valorie> if you aren't getting your own lines back from the server
[00:35] <valorie> how do you know they were recieved and displayed to the channel?
[01:10] <deborah> I have a Dell Inspiron E1505. the network manager doesnt come up for wifi since upgrading to 11.04. How do I get it working?
[01:14] <TheFriendlyOnes> does kubuntu use pulseaudio?
[01:15] <slinker1> 11.04 does for certain
[01:15] <TheFriendlyOnes> ok thanks
[01:15] <slinker1> hmmm that was quick ;)
[01:24] <taiyal> is there any "now playing" script for Quassel/Amarok?
[01:30] <slinker1> let me see i know there is for konversation
[01:30]  * slinker1 is listening to Sailing Shoes by Little Feat on Waiting for Columbus [Amarok]
[01:31] <slinker1> :)
[01:47] <deborah> Hello again. I have a Dell Inspiron E1515. After upgrading from 10.04 to 11.04 the Network Manager will not recognize that i have wifi. I downloaded the Broadcom-Sta thing from the Package Kit, but that did not help. How do I get the Network Manager to recognize wifi?
[01:48] <valorie> !wireless | deborah
[01:48] <valorie> it will help the channel help you, deborah, if you work through some of that
[01:48] <taiyal> why is it that, when typing in Xterm, sometimes the display will freeze for a few seconds?
[01:49] <deborah> valorie: Thank you.
[02:05] <Linkmaster> So, using Kubuntu10.10[don't have connection speeds to properly upgrade yet]. Question about the desktop effects: when I highlight an option in the spacer where my opened programs are, it opens up an informative bubble with a highlight of the page as well as what it is..this is all fine and dandy, except that it freezes my entire computer for about 2 seconds. The only way to stop it is to turn desktop effects on and off a few times in a row. My
[02:05] <Linkmaster> question is this: is it possible to simply leave it off to begin with?
[02:12] <ssfdre38> how can i resize the disk on the KDE desktop
[02:12] <Linkmaster> What do you mean by disk? The size of the partitions??
[02:15] <ssfdre38> yes
[02:16] <ssfdre38> the size of the partition
[02:16] <Linkmaster> You can always use GParted..i'd trust that more then doing it from within the OS itself
[02:16] <ssfdre38> ohh ok
[02:16] <Linkmaster> What are you trying to resize it for though?
[03:04] <lovesthethianood> hi i just inserted a sd card and its not showing up,how do i mount it?
[03:06] <asobi> !mount
[03:07] <asobi> find the device, create a directory and mount it to that directory
[03:09] <taiyal> is it possible to browse my photos on a Samba share using Gwenview?
[03:11] <chris_____> hay guys kubuntu will not pick up my phone i have pluged it in but the computer dosnt like to alow me to put music on it
[03:13] <chris_____> can any one help?
[03:13] <taiyal> what type of phone is it?
[03:14] <chris_____> zte f102
[03:14] <quant> chris166, try putting your phone in mass storage mode, if possible
[03:14] <chris_____> its not possible
[03:15] <quant> chris_____, then there's a fair chance that you can't get it running because the software is written only for Win/Mac probably... I'm just speculating
[03:17] <chris_____> so what shouild i do
[03:18] <quant> chris_____, perhaps Wine can run the software... really not sure
[03:19] <quant> chris_____, or just do your syncing in Windows and reboot
[03:19] <chris_____> i would if i had windows
[03:20] <asobi> try bluebooth?
[03:25] <renegaid> is kubuntu as slow as ubuntu
[03:26] <Linkmaster> Depends on desktop effect settings etc. It can be faster or slower, it just depends on what you do with it
[03:27] <renegaid> installed ubuntu on new asus laptop and it is really slow ocmpared to win 7
[03:27] <renegaid> kind of laggy
[03:28] <Linkmaster> renegaid: what version is it?
[03:29] <renegaid> 11.04
[03:32] <wols> slow in what way?
[03:35] <renegaid> laggy
[03:35] <renegaid> apps load slow
[03:35] <renegaid> clicking on something takes a while to open
[03:36] <shane4kubuntu> renegaid: I heard of that being reported with Unity?  the desktop?  did you do any updates?
[03:37] <renegaid> did all the updates
[03:37] <shane4kubuntu> hmm, odd, not sure
[03:38] <Linkmaster> I've heard funny stories about Unity myself...you can always try Plasma. It works just fine on my two year old computer[though I'm still using 10.10 at the moment]
[03:44] <wols> renegaid: do a harddisk benchmark. sounds like a slow harddisk. or a lack of ram and therefore swapping
[03:46] <renegaid> 4gb ram
[03:46] <renegaid> runs super fast with windows 7
[04:04] <zazaza> Can someone help me out?
[04:04] <Linkmaster> zazaza: with...?
[04:04] <zazaza> When  I change the sound, kubuntu automatically like changes what is delivering my sound. I'm trying to use my headphones but when I raise the volume it comes out of the computers internal speakers instead.
[04:04] <zazaza> How do I fix this
[04:06] <Linkmaster> Are these bluetooth headphones..? I'm not sure, I'm not very well with sound systems and the such on computers..mine is thoroughly messed up from me trying to fix it :P
[04:07] <zazaza> just regular ones
[04:07] <zazaza> It's like kubuntu automatically figures which one is putting out the most noise and changes accordingly.
[04:07] <zazaza> It does it with my speakers too, if my speakers arent loud enough it will just play from the internal speakers
[04:08] <Linkmaster> You might be able to go to 'system settings -> mulitmedia -> phonon' and configure from there
[04:11] <zazaza> It's so weird that it does this
[04:11] <Linkmaster> I can understand, I've never had that issue before..but did 'phonon' prove helpful at all?
[04:12] <zazaza> Nah
[04:12] <zazaza> But
[04:13] <zazaza> I realize the problem is that it plays from the speakers, and the headphones at the same time I guess...
[04:13] <Linkmaster> :0
[04:14] <zazaza> Well internal speakers and headphones
[04:14] <zazaza> IT's annoying cause I need to be quiet but I Want music
[04:15] <Linkmaster> I can understand...maybe post on the forum site; the knowledge base there is much greater
[04:51] <SilentDis> hello, i'm having a bit of a problem with the Phonon backend in Kubuntu 11.04.  First, it's incredibly slow to come up, use, etc.  Second, I'm trying to switch the  order of the devices for input (my TV cap card is first, I'd rather my USB mic be first), it takes forever to 'apply', but never saves.
[04:57] <Netopoyyo> Hi!
[04:58] <SilentDis> hello, i'm having a bit of a problem with the Phonon backend in Kubuntu 11.04. First, it's incredibly slow to come up, use, etc. Second, I'm trying to switch the order of the devices for input (my TV cap card is first, I'd rather my USB mic be first), it takes forever to 'apply', but never saves.
[04:59] <Netopoyyo> any idea why phonon closes the wndow when I'm trying to get it from the general settings>multimedia screen?
[04:59] <SilentDis> not just me, it appears.  heh
[04:59] <Netopoyyo> yes, Isee.
[05:00] <Netopoyyo> it might some sortof bug?
[05:00] <SilentDis> I found one thread in the forums, checking it now.  i assume it is.
[05:01] <SilentDis> no good, Netopoyyo.  still lookin.
[05:02] <Netopoyyo> yep, I found also a thread, onubuntu following now...
[05:03] <SilentDis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon/+bug/769274 - showing a similar bug report on this...
[05:07] <SilentDis> alright, in 11.04, GStreamer is the new backend.... I assume some packages, you know, normal stuff to make these changes, for some reason got left out of the distro mayhap (i'm on a fresh 11.04 install).  gonna poke around and install some stuff...
[05:08] <dan_> I'm trying to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04.  I get the error message "distribution upgrade process exited with code 1".  Has anyone ever seen that?
[05:10] <SilentDis> dan_: i had similar, ended up just doing a fresh install.  mine was because I was using bleeding edge x.org repos and such.  got anything 'low level' (such as x.org) comming out of ppas?
[05:11] <dan_> SilentDis:  Emmmm.  Good question.  Let me take a look.
[05:12] <SilentDis> dan_: there were some hangups I was having in 10.10 with the default x.org distro, and the edgers ppa fixed it for me.  I would bet many 'intermediate' and above users figgered that out themselves (like me) and just switched to bleeding edge to make it work ;)
[05:12] <SilentDis> dan_: if that's the case...
[05:12] <SilentDis> !info ppa-purge
[05:13]  * SilentDis hugs ubottu
[05:13] <dan_> SilentDis:  I know exactly how that happens.  Especially when I google for my solutions too long:)
[05:13] <dan_> Only ppa I see is firefox.
[05:14] <SilentDis> dan_: try purging it.  remember, official firefox, even in kubuntu, is rather tightly integrated.  either way, can't hurt.  you'll need to replace it all anyway heh
[05:14] <dan_> You know what pisses me off?  I know windows because it's always broken and I always have to fix it.  I <3 kubuntu, but I know very little about it.  Food for thought.
[05:14] <SilentDis> lol
[05:15] <SilentDis> dan_: i'm currently dealing with beating phonon into submission, but it ain't workin'... lol
[05:15] <SilentDis> dan_: and i've kinda given up beating NetworkManager and ModemManager into submission >.<
[05:16] <dan_> SilentDis:  call the CIA.  they have to torture it for you.  Like waterboarding.
[05:17] <SilentDis> dan_: I'm quite capable of performing some rather hideous methods of 'forced cooperation', i assure you.  i just am unsure where, exactly, they 'live' to perform said torture.  kinda like Osama, took a while to find it, but when we did... :D
[05:17] <dan_> Do you want Osama's hard drive?  Cuz I do.  think he torrents?
[05:17] <SilentDis> roflmao
[05:18] <dan_> is he a mac guy?
[05:18] <SilentDis> the thought of downloading a shitty dark cam of Deathly Hollows with Osama's help makes me chuckle a bit :)
[05:19] <dan_l> aha!
[05:19] <SilentDis> actually, he probably wouldn't go for Harry Potter.  I'd imagine Osama's hard drive would probably be full of burrka porn and episodes of Glee.
[05:19] <dan_l> I remembered my login.  yay.
[05:20] <dan_l> He plays a lot of snood, we found out.  That and his facebook account only has 3 friends.
[05:22] <SilentDis> 3 friends were whom?  2 of his kids and Saddaam Husein?
[05:23] <SilentDis> Ubottu, how do i beat phonon in the face with a brick?
[05:23] <SilentDis> bah!
[05:25] <SilentDis> alright... time to find out how to just install the xine backend and use *that*, i guess.  unless someone out there has an inkling of how to fix it with gstreamer...
[05:29] <MK``> does ktorrent support labels and setting download/upload limits per-torrent
[05:29] <MK``> I am using Transmission right now and it's pretty horrifying
[05:29] <SilentDis> MK``: ktorrent lets you set limits, yes.  not bandwidth-per-torrent, but you can limit by time/seed amount...
[05:30] <SilentDis> MK``: globally, you can set bandwidth usage.
[05:30] <MK``> Ok. Seed amount is an improvement
[05:30] <keithzg> You can totally set bandwidth per torrent!
[05:30] <MK``> :o
[05:30] <keithzg> What are you talking about?
[05:30] <MK``> Yay
[05:30] <SilentDis> MK``: as in, "only seed 'Goat Pron 4: electric boogaloo' till 50%", etc
[05:31] <MK``> X)
[05:32] <SilentDis> keithzg: I've never used that option, i guess.  sorry to mislead you, MK``
[05:32] <keithzg> In Ktorrent, ctrl-L brings up the Speed Limits window, and you can set the speed limits globally and/or per-torrent there
[05:32] <Humano> alguem ai fala portugues
[05:32]  * keithzg is so wedded to KTorrent partially because such fancy, comprehensive options exist.
[05:33] <Humano> ALGUEM AI FALA PORTUGUES
[05:33] <MK``> !pt | Humano
[05:33] <SilentDis> keithzg: are you also weded to phonon, by chance?  as in, how to smash it in the face with a brick and make it do what it's told?
[05:34] <keithzg> SilentDis: Ahhh . . . Phonon, not so much. Although I've yet to run across a problem that couldn't be fixed by changing backends.
[05:35] <SilentDis> keithzg: ahh, kinda what i figured, really.  suggestions on that front?  fresh 11.04 install, it's got gstreamer only.  xine mayhap?
[05:37] <SilentDis> keithzg: the issue i'm dealing with is I can't select the proper input for it (for use in skype and such).  the Phonon UI moves like molasses and doesn't actually change anything... like it's hung up somewhere.
[05:37] <MK``> wtf? KDE applications have options /and/ are user friendly?
[05:38] <SilentDis> MK``: I switched to KDE for 6.10 (started with Ubuntu 6.06), i've not looked back, heh
[05:39] <SilentDis> MK``: I booted the liveCD for 11.04 and shreeked like a little girl in horror at Ubiquity or whatever it's called.  lol
[05:39] <dan_l> All lies.
[05:39] <MK``> Unity.
[05:39] <MK``> Ubiquity is the installer :P
[05:39] <SilentDis> lol
[05:39] <MK``> I am using gnome shell :P
[05:39] <dan_l> I left Ubuntu at about v 8.  I joined Kubuntu.  and now I'm a total Ktard.    I'm trying to run this purgamacall it.  I seem to be failing basic command line.
[05:40] <SilentDis> i just like how the 'app store' is revolutionary.... never mind that debian has had that for a decade now or so...
[05:40] <dan_l> MK'':  calling desktop programs 'apps' is grounds for a beatin'
[05:41] <MK``> Yeah, I humbly apologize :P
[05:41] <SilentDis> dan_l: the purge-ppa thingy?
[05:42] <keithzg> SilentDis: Yeah, phonon-backend-xine might save you, GStreamer has always seemed fragile to me; partially why folks are working so hard on the VLC backend.
[05:42] <SilentDis> keithzg: kk, gonna install it now.
[05:42] <SilentDis> !info phonon-backend-xine
[05:43] <SilentDis> keithzg: any expirience with the vlc backend?
[05:44] <dan_l> SilentDis:  you suggested I run it to end my upgrade problems.
[05:44] <keithzg> SilentDis: I've been meaning to try it out, but sadly haven't gotten around to it. I've heard it's quite usable these days...but there may be pitfalls.
[05:45] <SilentDis> dan_l: gimme a sec, playin'...
[05:45] <dan_l> k
[05:45] <SilentDis> dan_l: sudo ppa-purge -p <name of ppa>...  what's the ppa you're trying to get rid of?
[05:46] <dan_l> SilentDis:  http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu/maverick main
[05:47] <SilentDis> try `sudo ppa-purge -p firefox-stable mozillateam
[05:48] <dan_l> aha!  a winner is you.
[05:48] <SilentDis> lol :)
[05:49] <SilentDis> dan_l: I believe you'll have to sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get safe-upgrade
[05:50] <SilentDis> keithzg: alright, i'm guinea pigging the vlc backend... assuming phonon will respond that far for me... lol
[05:51] <keithzg> SilentDis: Heh. You could always (although this would be drastic) remove the GStreamer backend, in case that's the problem. Are there any clues why the Phonon config interface is so laggy, like some process gobbling CPU cycles?
[05:52] <SilentDis> keithzg: I wish i knew.  quad core 3ghz, so the meter barely 'blips' no matter what i do... lol
[05:53] <MK``> :O KTorrent even has /tabs/?
[05:53] <SilentDis> alright, the vlc backend is installed, but it's not showing up at all.  gonna do a cold boot, just to make sure it's not something 'waiting for response' or some such elsewhere.  bbiab if it is still broken... otherwise, all praise vlc for sound issues in 11.04!
[05:53] <keithzg> haha
[05:54] <keithzg> MK``: KTorrent has EVERY FEATURE EVER! MUAHAHAHAHA!
[05:54] <MK``> :P
[05:54] <MK``> but yeah, no-brainer. Already uninstalled Transmission
[05:55] <keithzg> (actually, sadly it doesn't have any fancy 3D rendering of active torrents... a user can dream)
[05:57] <MK``> The one feature request I'd have is the ability to have 2 things per column. Like, Instead of having seeders and leechers / down and up speed in separate columns I can have one column called "Seeders / Leechers" and the torrent would take up 2 graphical rows
[05:57] <MK``> and it would show, in that column, seeders and leechers on separate lines, etc.
[05:59] <keithzg> Huh. I *think* I can envision the interface that you're imagining, but it's definitely nothing that would ever occur to me personally.
[06:00] <MK``> Yeah it's pretty particular. You'd need to sort of add a new dimension to the interface and a lot of options to customize it
[06:00] <MK``> I just like to be able to maximize vertical space as well.
[06:02] <keithzg> Ah, I see. Yeah, these days with widescreens the UI consideration tends to skew the other way.
[06:04] <dan_l> I like Ktorrent as well.
[06:05] <MK``> Lol the "stop torrents when diskspace is low" setting is 100 MiB by default. That seems pretty low for today
[06:06] <dan_l> if I'm ever down to 100meg, I'm in trouble
[06:07] <keithzg> I'm always riding the ragged edges
[06:07] <keithzg> ...ie. a couple of gigs ;)
[06:08] <MK``> yeah
[06:15] <Spaz_Dynamic> accidentally clicked "do not show this message again" for konsole when closing the window with multiple tabs and I would like to reenable it. Where do I go in it's settings as I looked and didn't find it
[06:15] <dan_l> Do you guys like quassel?
[06:15] <keithzg> 'tis what I used.
[06:15] <keithzg> err, use
[06:15] <keithzg> Since it works on my phone too, there's a level of comfort :)
[06:16] <dan_l> What kind of phone do you have?  Jesus.
[06:17] <dan_l> No!  Quassel for android?  Are you kidding?
[06:17] <keithzg> the N900, Qt and GTK apps are native to it.
[07:53] <slooksterpsv> Audio in Flash videos isn't working on Firefox or rekonq; in the Multimedia phonon settings I have like 7 different analog audios and 7 different hdmi's; I've changed from ubuntu to lubuntu to xubuntu to kubuntu (all on the same machine which I'm guessing is why)
[07:56] <keithzg> Does it work in other browsers, ex. Konqueror or Chromium?
[07:57] <slooksterpsv> lemme check, gimme a few to apt it
[07:57] <slooksterpsv> or is there a way I can have phonon rescan my audio devices?
[07:58] <keithzg> well, Konqueror should already be installed ;)
[07:58] <slooksterpsv> nope, just rekonq
[07:58] <slooksterpsv> and firefox
[07:58] <keithzg> ...really?
[07:58] <keithzg> Pretty sure Konqueror is there.
[07:58] <keithzg> It's kindof part of the base KDE package, unless the world is scheming against me heh
[07:59] <slooksterpsv> nope haha well I went from Ubuntu to Lubuntu to Xubuntu to Kubuntu all without reformatting (which I'm getting the ISO cause I feel I'm going to have to)
[07:59] <keithzg> also, in the Phonon settings in System Settings, there's the standard "Defaults" button, which . . . might help?
[08:00] <keithzg> yeah, yeah, but I thought you couldn't install the KDE desktop without pulling in Konqueror, it's very tightly integrated (used to be the default file manager)
[08:01] <slooksterpsv> sorry torrenting the kubuntu 11.04 x64 iso, and when I torrent I get booted off the net
[08:02] <slooksterpsv> nope no change
[08:05] <slooksterpsv> and no change on the chrome browser
[08:05] <keithzg> hmm
[08:06] <keithzg> well, making sure everything simple has been tried, have you checked to alsamixer to make sure that PCM isn't set to 0 or something silly? Sometimes that happens.
[08:07] <slooksterpsv> yeah, like kopete sounds work and all that, and pcm is 96 atm
[08:07] <keithzg> (might have to start it with -Dhw)
[08:07] <slooksterpsv> I'm running a dpkg-reconfigure -a
[08:07] <keithzg> oh, yeah, but I mean in ALSA; sometimes there's miscommunication between Pulse and ALSA.
[08:08] <keithzg> good idea.
[08:10] <slooksterpsv> true, pulseaudio still isn't my favorite
[08:11] <keithzg> well, thing is, PulseAudio isn't . . . real, right? It's just a frontend/mediator, creating virtual devices.  Lets us do fancy things like have per-app volume control, but it needs something (generally ALSA) working in the background for the sound to work in the first place.
[08:11] <keithzg> So 99% chance you ARE using ALSA, it's just being controlled by PulseAudio.
[08:16] <keithzg> also, I bet if you removed .kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc it would force Phonon to refresh the device list
[08:20] <zelda_> Hi I am new to kubuntu,. I susing apt-get and kpackagekit the same thing.
[08:21] <zelda_> I mean are tehre any issues if I use apt-get to install packages
[08:21] <keithzg> Nope
[08:21] <zelda_> will they interfere when I upgrade?
[08:21] <keithzg> Both use the same backend
[08:21] <zelda_> Oh thanks for the clarification
[08:21] <keithzg> just different interfaces for the same thing
[08:21] <keithzg> :)
[08:22] <keithzg> (there's also Muon, Synaptic, Aptitude, Aptitude-GTK, etc etc!)
[08:23] <zelda_> And using them too is the same thing right? as long as the repositories are from ubuntu
[08:24] <keithzg> Yup yup. They're all just UIs (or CLIs) for the packaging backend, and in fact all of them use the APT sources list, so they all respect the same repository list
[09:38] <CarNagE_123> Hello. Since upgrading to Ubuntu 11.04, the directory/file completion in Konsole does not work anymore as before. When I enter, for example, `sudo mcedit /etc<TAB` it completes to "sudo mcedit /etc " with a space behind "/etc" instead of a slash. Surprisingly, at least to me, the completion works properly if I don't use sudo, so entering `mcedit /etc<TAB>` completes to "mcedit /etc/". That behaviour is very annoying, does anyone
[09:38] <CarNagE_123> know how I can fix it?
[09:39] <keithzg> have you checked if there's anything in your .bashrc file that's related?
[09:40] <CarNagE_123> I didn't change anything there since the upgrade, but lemme see.
[09:40] <keithzg> A quick google search pops up http://blog.sarine.nl/2011/04/16/natty-bash-strange-tab-completion/
[09:41] <CarNagE_123> Ah damn it
[09:41] <keithzg> known bug, I guess: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion/+bug/716008
[09:42] <CarNagE_123> I searched for quite some time but I was always including "directory" in the query since the problem only occurs for directory completion. That's why I missed that one.
[09:42] <CarNagE_123> Sorry for not finding it on my own and thanks for the hint!
[09:42] <keithzg> no problem :)
[09:42] <keithzg> I always find the simplest, most distilled terms are the best; my google search was just [Natty tab completion]
[09:43] <CarNagE_123> Yeah, normally I think I'm fairly experienced with searching :>
[09:43] <Tm_T> disabling the bash_completion will mean losing some good amount of helpful completions too, though
[09:43] <CarNagE_123> Of course, I won't disable it :>
[09:43] <keithzg> :) yeah, sometimes the terminology just doesn't work out right, but that's what other people are for!
[09:44] <CarNagE_123> seems to be a bug in acroreads bash-completion script
[09:44] <CarNagE_123> Wicked :)
[09:44] <CarNagE_123> Yeah, thanks keithzg
[09:44] <Tm_T> CarNagE_123: disabling that one wouldn't hurt I'd imagine (:
[09:45] <CarNagE_123> Yeah, that fixed my problem
[09:45] <CarNagE_123> You have to change a line in that script
[09:45] <CarNagE_123> Disabling works too :)
[09:45] <CarNagE_123> sed -i "s/_filedir/_filedir_acroread/" /etc/bash_completion.d/acroread.sh
[09:45] <CarNagE_123> That fixes the problem without disabling it, according to the bug report and my own experience :)
[09:46] <Tm_T> ah, nice
[09:47] <CarNagE_123> Thanks for your help :)
[09:48]  * keithzg has learned yet another reason to avoid Adobe Acrobat Reader! ;)
[09:49] <CarNagE_123> Yeah, if possible I try to do that too :)
[09:49] <keithzg> Kindof astonishing that it could manage to cause a tab-completion bug in bash, though . . . I never give Adobe enough credit for how much havoc and chaos their poorly-programmed code can cause!
[10:12] <noaXess> does anybody has also problems with ff4/flash and flash movies?...
[10:13] <Tm_T> noaXess: what kind of problems?
[10:13] <noaXess> hey Tm_T
[10:14] <seicherlbob> hi! what files are executed when the Xserver and KDE start up, before the user logs in? I have a script that is triggered from within that file and i need to change the startup behaviour. It is not in rc.local and not in one of the other rc.n folders.
[10:15] <seicherlbob> btw. its a lucid LTS installation
[10:15] <MK``> does kubuntu come with an ftp program?
[10:15] <Tm_T> seicherlbob: depends, there's several options
[10:15] <Tm_T> MK``: you mean client or server?
[10:15] <seicherlbob> Tm_T: I know. I need to find the one thats been used
[10:16] <MK``> client
[10:16] <noaXess> Tm_T.. hm.. think it's a problem of an old jwplayer a customers uses.. sorry
[10:16] <seicherlbob> MK``: dolphin and konqueror can do that
[10:16] <MK``> thanks
[10:17] <seicherlbob> MK``: just type "ftp://servername.tld" in the address bar
[10:17] <Tm_T> seicherlbob: one is /etc/xdg/autostart ..although I think those are run while you log in
[10:18] <seicherlbob> Tm_T: I'm very sure that it was no folder... it was a file where the invocation of that script was attached
[10:18] <seicherlbob> Tm_T: something like bashrc, but... something that is done for all users before the login and after X has started
[10:20] <seicherlbob> Tm_T: i think i just grep the filename... it must be somewhere
[10:21] <well_laid_lawn> find / -iname filename
[10:21] <seicherlbob> well_laid_lawn: I know the filename of my script. I need to find the file that invokes it ;)
[10:21] <rethus> i have upgrade to natty. now i have some whimpering sound all the time... and if i try to skype, the other don't understand me at all
[10:22] <rethus> how can i restart the soundserver on kubuntu? alsa-utils are installed, but not possible to use....
[10:22] <seicherlbob> rethus: does the sound change when you use your microphone?
[10:23] <rethus> no... i only her myself
[10:23] <Tm_T> seicherlbob: so any file in /etc/X11/ and its subdirectories?
[10:23] <rethus> but no changing with whimpering in the background
[10:23] <seicherlbob> Tm_T: grep is still running. we should see it in a minute
[10:24] <well_laid_lawn> kdm can run things too iirc
[10:24] <seicherlbob> Tm_T: searching the whole etc directory.... might take some time
[10:24] <well_laid_lawn> that's the way
[10:24] <seicherlbob> well_laid_lawn: kdm.... sounds familiar. are there any startup scripts?
[10:25] <rethus> seicherlblob: i use 5.1. in pavucontrol if i hear some sound, it switch always between right and left in the headphones
[10:25] <well_laid_lawn> I haven't used kdm in years
[10:26] <seicherlbob> well_laid_lawn: kdm doesnt look that good either.  I just know that it can be a pita.
[10:27] <seicherlbob> rethus: can you run alsamixer?
[10:27] <rethus> yes
[10:28] <seicherlbob> then try to mute one channel after another and see, which one might cause the strange sounds.
[10:28] <seicherlbob> rethus: of course you should not mute PCM and Main/Master.
[10:29] <seicherlbob> rethus: but maybe some input channel is interfering
[10:30] <seicherlbob> rethus: you have a 5.1 surround system? is the strange sound only when using headphones or also on your speakers
[10:30] <rethus> same if i use speaker.
[10:31] <seicherlbob> rethus: and it still happens if you mute all inputs?
[10:32] <rethus> no, only the sound (plaing musik or something else) switching from right to left
[10:34] <seicherlbob> "no" means you dont hear it when you mute all inputs?
[10:34] <rethus> hear what?
[10:34] <seicherlbob> the strange sound
[10:35] <rethus> the strange sound is all the time
[10:35] <rethus> but i do a short restat. i have remove pulseaudio... be back up in 2 minutes
[10:36] <seicherlbob> is "the strange sound" some kind of noise or is it like "distorted music" when it should playback music
[10:36] <seicherlbob> omg
[10:40] <rethus> i have deinstall pulseaudio and all works great again.
[10:40] <seicherlbob> rethus: gratulations
[10:40] <rethus> pulseaudio may be good for ubuntu, but for kubuntu it is scrap
[10:48] <seicherlbob> is there a way to trace the execution of a bash script? something like "who called me" or "what process called me" or similar information?
[10:51] <well_laid_lawn> seicherlbob:  checked cronjobs or .bash_profile or .xinitrc?
[10:52] <well_laid_lawn> it was before login sorry
[11:00] <well_laid_lawn> ho
[11:02] <amichair> what setting needs to be set (in Maverick) in order to get the 'upgrade to Natty' notification? The check for updates doesn't seem to be running (I think)
[11:02] <seicherlbob> well_laid_lawn: none of them is used on the system (according to locate)
[11:03] <seicherlbob> well_laid_lawn, Tm_T: I've put some debugging information in the script. I'll reboot and see what happens. maybe it helps.
[11:03] <seicherlbob> thanks so far! brb
[11:10] <seicherlbob> well_laid_lawn, Tm_T: back again... it seems like the script is not executed anyway.
[11:11] <seicherlbob> now i have another problem. I installed a new graphics card (removed ATI X1900, installed ATI HD4850). Works out of the box, but it does not remember my dualhead setup.
[11:11] <seicherlbob> I have to reset it every time KDE is started.
[11:23] <darthanubis> graphic with nvidia froze while trying to view preview picture of software in kpackageit
[11:25] <seicherlbob> rebooting....
[11:29] <jussi> Is there anyway to back up my mail on a dimap connection so it can be imported to Outlook and read?
[11:29] <jussi> (Kmail)
[11:32] <seicherlbob> back again. still the dualhead setup is not done on startup. I will have to set it manually (with xrandr). any suggestions where to put the xrandr command? It'd be perfect after start of X and before the loginscreen shows up
[11:39] <jussi> seicherlbob: I havent seen what happened previously, but have you tried using the "save as default" in the display settings in system settings?
[12:20] <noaXess> Tm_T: about my ff4/flash thing i reported in the morning.. do you hav ff4/flash 10.2 and 11.04?
[12:29] <noaXess> has somene also this problem in kubuntu 11.04, nvidia latest and firefox 4.0.1: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5636258/flash-chart-ff401.ogv
[12:29] <noaXess> in chrome it looks as it should: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5636258/flash-chart-chrome.ogv
[12:47] <Deadite811> Is anyone else getting black windows sometimes?  I'm using the latest Nvidia driver.
[12:48] <amichair> Deadite811: there was something about that in the release notes, if I remember correctly
[12:49] <Deadite811> amichair: I'll check it out.  Thanks.
[12:57] <Deadite811> Blank windows is mentioned in the release notes, but the bug it points to ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/763680 ) is not what the release notes describe...
[12:58] <Tm_T> noaXess: I think so yes
[13:43] <prostabee> Help, I forgot my network wallet password. Now I cannot connect my kubuntu to the network.
[13:43] <prostabee> How do I flush it..?
[13:54] <prostabee> I forgot my network wallet password. Now I cannot connect my kubuntu to the network.
[13:54] <prostabee> How do I flush it..?
[14:13] <himcesjf> I did a fresh install of 11.04. Recently while using build-dep command, I found that apt is configured to install recommended packages by default. sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends ... is what I've to do everytime. How and where can I set APT::Install-Recommends to false??
[14:19] <ruan> is there a way to trigger power profiles when im not running off AC power?
[14:20] <ruan> i mean, desktop running on a UPS
[14:22] <James147> ruan: does kde detect you have a battery?
[14:22] <ruan> James147: apparently not, in Global Settings those options are greyed out
[14:22] <ruan> and no battery applet
[14:22] <James147> ruan: you should have a barrty applet (though it might not be on the panel)
[14:23] <ruan> nothing in the tray
[14:26] <James147> himcesjf: I would think something like this would work... with the appropaite changes for your option: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto#Setting%20up%20apt-get%20to%20use%20a%20http-proxy
[14:28] <himcesjf> James147: Using apt-get with a http-proxy?!
[14:29] <James147> himcesjf: it shows how to set an option
[14:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:30] <himcesjf> I think any file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d should be fine, I really dont' remember apt config syntax
[14:32] <himcesjf> I tried referring man pages for apt-get to find such change. I'm not able to understand how your suggestion will help me set it to not install recommended packages
[14:36] <James147> himcesjf: that guide shows oyu how to set the http proxy option ^^ i would assume anyother option can be set in the same way
[14:39] <James147> himcesjf: http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/01/07/howto-tell-apt-get-not-to-install-recommends-packages-in-debian-linux/  ^^ mentions the same mthod
[14:50] <BluesKaj> it must be an old pc , if he's concerned abut disk space James147 ?
[14:50] <James147> or an SSD or just dosn't want uneeded packages
[14:51] <himcesjf> Is that made by default?
[14:51] <himcesjf> For current systems? No, I'mnot on old pc. I did a frsh install lately BluesKaj
[14:52] <himcesjf> Only recently I found that build-dep reflected 450MiB for a pacakge when it used to show ~70MiB for it
[14:52] <himcesjf> James147: You are right, sorry. /etc/apt/apt.conf method is what I was looking for to include something like APT::Install-Recommends to false which it does with APT::Install-Recommends "0". I didn't see the aliter in your first link.. Thank you
[14:53] <BluesKaj> himcesjf, I haven't seen much concern about not using recommended packages lately , now with ppl usig ssds I guess drive space has become a concern again
[14:54] <James147> BluesKaj: ^^ also slow connections
[14:55] <BluesKaj> slow conns are always a problem :(
[14:55] <shane4kubuntu> I'm growing to really like and enjoy kde, and I used to really like Amarok a few years ago, but now Amarok, is probably one of the most confusing pieces of software on the planet
[14:55] <shane4kubuntu> how can I rip an audio cd to my computer in mp3?
[14:56] <himcesjf> I'm on HDD but its just the shift of data to be downloaded and space requirement made me ask on it. I had the same thing tried on maverick and it reflected ~70MiB then for the pacakge and suddenly on Natty it increased to ~450MiB
[14:57] <shane4kubuntu> ahh, I think I just found it, k3b of all things?  I wouldn't have guessed that.
[14:58] <shane4kubuntu> for the record I use clementine, and couldn't figure out how to get that to play the audio cd either, or rip it.
[14:59] <James147> shane4kubuntu: I think one of the problems with amarok is that since the rewrite not many dev use cd's any more ^^ so there isn't really anyone that wants to write taht support... or that least thats what I have been led to believe :)
[15:01] <shane4kubuntu> James147: to and extent I can believe that, but that is crazy, since CD players are still pretty big, I know and appreciate mp3 files and players, but CD aren't extinct yet, so let's not rush them to the cemetary.   For that matter, I still have cassettes. :)
[15:01] <BluesKaj> k3b has always been the only burn app I've ever used on linux / ke
[15:01] <BluesKaj> kde
[15:02] <shane4kubuntu> I come over from Gnome, and Rhythymbox and like it, play cd's rip cds and play local files, and internet files, very simple and pretty straight forward.
[15:02] <James147> shane4kubuntu: yeah, but with k3b able to rip cd its not a huge issue since there is still a way to do it for those that need to (hell, I dont even have a cd rom any more :D)
[15:02] <BluesKaj> k3b is solid and reliable
[15:02] <shane4kubuntu> oh, no doubt, I just wouldn't have thought to look there.
[15:02] <shane4kubuntu> I'm used to the Music app ripping my cd's.
[15:03] <James147> shane4kubuntu: can amarok play cd yet?
[15:03] <shane4kubuntu> Amarok, has become very confusing to look at, I don't really understand it
[15:03] <James147> shane4kubuntu: you can configure it if you wish to be simpler
[15:03] <shane4kubuntu> James147: no I closed it, I messed up the views or something, deleted some of the defualt windows by accident
[15:03] <BluesKaj> i use k3b to burn livecds , due to the flaky nature of usb stick OS installs
[15:03] <shane4kubuntu> I like simple, Local music folders and play list.
[15:05] <shane4kubuntu> good ole vlc, almost never fails for such things
[15:06] <kothz> Does anyone else see hangs in rekonq -- no errors, no out of control CPU or memory hogging, usually happens on scrolling for me, switching out of/into app is fine
[15:06] <BluesKaj> vlc an audacious
[15:06] <James147> shane4kubuntu: http://imagebin.org/151808 ^^ tahts what mine is currently setup as :)
[15:06] <shane4kubuntu> clementine, and Amarok, refused to play audio cd, amarok, just couldn't find it, or figure it out, clementine saw it, but said, "Only local files" :(
[15:07] <shane4kubuntu> James147: that looks simple enough, the default view is very complex
[15:07] <James147> shane4kubuntu: what version of amarok? I thourght the later versions could at least play cds
[15:07] <James147> shane4kubuntu: havnt changed much from the default
[15:07] <shane4kubuntu> James147: I'm on 11.04 and whatever comes with it.
[15:08] <James147> shane4kubuntu: just used the slim tool bar and moved the contex dock to where the media sources is (so there is a tab to toggle between them)
[15:08] <James147> shane4kubuntu: hmm
[15:08] <shane4kubuntu> amarok 2.4
[15:08] <awareeskeyfi> i couldnt join other server. with ubuntu :S for example. irc.sohbetim.com
[15:09] <awareeskeyfi> help...
[15:09] <James147> shane4kubuntu: from what I can see it should have been able to play cd's since 2.2
[15:09] <awareeskeyfi> program is konservation
[15:09] <shane4kubuntu> awareeskeyfi: it is:   /join #ubuntu
[15:09] <shane4kubuntu> awareeskeyfi: oooh, wait, I think you meant something different
[15:10] <James147> !details | awareeskeyfi
[15:10] <Pici> awareeskeyfi: /connect irc.whatever.com
[15:11] <shane4kubuntu> James147: I can't find where my cd should be in amarok, I'm in the files thing
[15:11] <shane4kubuntu> James147: ahh, got it.
[15:11] <BluesKaj> awareeskeyfi, that server doesn't connect here either
[15:12] <shane4kubuntu> James147: dragging from the Cd to the playlist doesn't seem to work. :(
[15:13] <awareeskeyfi> was ?
[15:13] <James147> shane4kubuntu: afraid I cannot advise you much about that... never have used cds with it and dont even have the hardware to try :)
[15:13] <awareeskeyfi> i know eng. a littlE.
[15:13] <shane4kubuntu> James147: no problem, vlc to the rescue, and k3b for ripping, I'm set.
[15:14] <shane4kubuntu> just thought I would try to figure out this amarok
[15:14] <BluesKaj> awareeskeyfi, f you're trying to join #ubuntu just use a different server like verne.freenode.net
[15:14] <Pici> They're in #ubuntu right now.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> awareeskeyfi, /join #ubuntu
[15:16] <BluesKaj> should have done a whos first
[15:23] <shane4kubuntu> how is my audio cd mounted?  It doesn't show up with mount, and it isn't in media, yet, I can access it with dolphin, and vlc?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> !tk | awareeskeyfi
[15:25] <BluesKaj> oops , think turkey is tr
[15:27] <James147> shane4kubuntu: dolhpin should mount it if you can acces it
[15:28] <shane4kubuntu> right, the audio cd actually had a mp3 and ogg folder on it, so I was going to just copy it, however it is taking an eternity, so I was going to do it with commandline, but I can't find it.
[15:29] <James147> shane4kubuntu: can you pastebin the output of mount?
[15:30] <shane4kubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/603744/
[15:30] <kothz> (accessing audio CDs in KDE is handled bio a KIO slave ... audiocd:/...)
[15:31] <shane4kubuntu> kothz: I saw that in dolphin, but don't understand it.
[15:35] <shane4kubuntu> ok, that is really crazy, the cd has mp3 files, but I couldn't copy them with dolphin, so now I have to rip the audio cd with k3b???  very strange.
[15:35] <shane4kubuntu> none the less k3b is ripping, but I should be able to mount the cd and just copy it straight over, it is pretty straight forward, is this a bug??
[15:35] <BluesKaj> cp /path to cd?
[15:36]  * James147 isnt sure on the structure of audio cds
[15:36] <shane4kubuntu> BluesKaj: that is just it, I can't find the /path to cd
[15:36] <shane4kubuntu> see my pastebin above, it is the output of mount
[15:37] <genii-around> If it's like a standard type CD with AAC format, you can't really "mount" it
[15:37] <shane4kubuntu> any cd should just have a simple mount point, at least with my limited knowledge of linux, and should be able to copy it iover.
[15:37] <James147> BluesKaj: looks like a KIO is used to acces audio cd rather then just mounting them
[15:37]  * James147 would think its because audio cd have a different structure then data cds
[15:38] <genii-around> shane4kubuntu: The kind of CD which play on old CD players doesn't really have a file structure as such. so there's not really a way to mount them
[15:38]  * Linkmaster thinks that most audio CD's are encrypted to prevent such actions from occuring
[15:38] <kothz> but it's not really an audio CD per se he said... it's a MP3 CD, it's just that the KIO grabs it before the mount
[15:38] <shane4kubuntu> genii-around: but the odd thing is, that it contains a lot of files too, not just the audio cd stuff, it has the mp3, and ogg, and flac and a bunch of other stuff.
[15:38] <shane4kubuntu> well, I think it is actually and audio cd
[15:39] <kothz> (ah :))
[15:39] <BluesKaj> what about cdrecord /dev/cdrom /path to input folder
[15:40] <shane4kubuntu> BluesKaj: ahh, that was bad, interuppted my k3b ripping. :)  but seems to have worked.
[15:40] <BluesKaj> or is the above a record to cd command
[15:40] <shane4kubuntu> ok, I gotta run, I will just rip it with k3b, since that seems to work.  Thanks for the info, apparently it is an Audio cd, and not handled like I would have expected.
[15:41] <BluesKaj> I haven't used the cli for rcording in a while
[15:41] <shane4kubuntu> in other words, my lack of knowledge. :)
[15:41] <BluesKaj> mine too
[15:41] <kothz> route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:41] <kothz> er, ignore that
[15:41] <kothz> wrong window :)
[15:42] <marcin_> Hi
[15:43] <marcin_> i have following problem, after hibernation when i turn on my laptop, instead of loging screen i see white screen with arrow, nothing more ?
[15:43] <marcin_> only after hibernation
[15:45] <kothz> marcin_: a recent thing?  when was the last time you ran an update?
[15:46] <marcin_> it is fresh installation of ubuntu 11.04
[15:49] <kothz> how "fresh" :) I'd run an update/upgrade and see if it still happens ...
[15:51] <marcin_> ok i will make upgrade
[15:51] <James147> marcin_: ubuntu or kubuntu? if your using ubuntu theny ou should ask at #ubuntu
[15:52] <marcin_> James147: no one answered me at #ubuntu
[15:53] <marcin_>  i will be back soon after reboot :)
[15:58] <zelda> I isntalled Kubuntu 11.04
[15:58] <zelda> Whenver I bootup, the grub menu does  not appear, even after pressing shift key
[15:58] <zelda> It foes into "mode not supported mode"
[15:59] <zelda> Also the same thing when switching to othertty (Ctrl + Alt +Fn) keys
[16:02] <James147> zelda: You probally need to edit the resalution in /etc/default/grub and run "sudo update-grub"
[16:03] <zelda> James147: GRUB_GFXMODE right? It is commented out.
[16:04] <zelda> Can I change it to the resolution my x11 is set to?
[16:04] <James147> yes
[16:04] <James147> i think ^^
[16:05] <genii-around> Usually, yes, unless you've created a new X resolution with xrandr or so
[16:06] <zelda> genii-around: I did not quite get you. I had nvidia rewrite the xorg file to what I use for X11 right now. I know the dimensions, I can just enter that right?
[16:07] <genii-around> zelda: If you had to do something like specify modelines in your xorg.conf file to get the resolution you wanted in X, you cannot use that resolution in your GRUB_GFXMODE option of grub
[16:08] <zelda> genii-around: My xorg is only 4 lines http://pastebin.ca/2054244
[16:09] <zelda> So no modelines specified anywhere, so i can use the dimensions
[16:12] <Moji> i have a problem
[16:13] <Moji> first hi
[16:13] <Moji> my kdm not start automaticly
[16:13] <Linkmaster> What do you mean?
[16:13] <Moji> after loading kubuntu my terminal come up
[16:14] <Moji> and i shuld fist loging and write startx
[16:14] <genii-around> zelda: Probably then. Some resolutions though like 1920x1080 or 1680x945 cannot be done at boot time, only after the proper driver is loaded to allow them
[16:14] <genii-around> Apologies on lag, at work
[16:15] <zelda> genii-around: np thanks for telling that.
[16:15] <Linkmaster> Moji: Hmm...
[16:16] <Moji> i shuld write startx to load my kdm
[16:16] <BluesKaj> Moji, sudo service kdm start
[16:17] <genii-around> Moji: kdm is what does the startx, not other way around
[16:20] <Moji> i want to satrt my kdm by default
[16:24] <BluesKaj> Moji, once you issue the the command I gave you above it should work every boot
[16:25] <BluesKaj> Moji, for some reason the kdm service wasn't enabled
[16:25] <BluesKaj> !pm | Moji
[16:27] <Moji> ok
[16:27] <Moji> sorry
[16:28] <Moji> my problem
[16:28] <Moji> when i want to go my kubuntu after loading kdm dont start automaticly
[16:29] <Moji> i have a terminal
[16:29] <James147> Moji: what happen is you run "sudo start kdm"?
[16:29] <Moji> no
[16:30] <James147> no?
[16:30] <Moji> i did it and my kdm satrt after run "sudo startx"
[16:30] <James147> Moji: you should not run sudo startx
[16:30] <Moji> Hmm
[16:31] <BluesKaj> no need for startx , just,  sudo service kdm start
[16:31] <Moji> ok i will try it
[16:32] <BluesKaj> finally
[16:37] <Moji> hi
[16:38] <Moji> i write "sudo service kdm start"
[16:38] <Moji> its ansver
[16:38] <Moji> "jub is already running :kdm"
[16:40] <Moji> and dont do anywork after write "sudo kdm"
[16:42] <Moji> just after write "sudo startx"  my X load
[16:42] <uinbytes> hi all :)
[16:48] <ruan> when i press ctrl alt L, i get a short display of the default gdm/gnome wallpaper(pink/white), what could be the cause of this?
[16:48] <ruan> short display being about a quarter second
[16:49] <James147> ruan: on ubuntu? ask in #ubuntu ... they are better able to deal with gnome issues
[16:50] <ruan> James147: i'm using kubuntu atm, running kdm
[16:50] <James147> but you get  flash of gnome? weird :S
[16:50] <ruan> i can reproduce it too
[16:50] <kothz> hrm is it trying to run the gnome screen lock?
[16:51] <ruan> dunno. im running kubuntu so it shouldnt.. besides, the gnome screen lock doesnt have a wallpaper
[16:51] <kothz> shouldn't is a funny word :)
[16:52] <kothz> ooo lunchtime :)
[17:08] <asraniel_> how can i deactivate the 11.04 popup in 11.10 ? its really annoying
[17:15] <shadeslayer> asraniel_: uh ... are you sure about what you just said?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> they've just started the 11.10 dev cycle ....
[17:18] <BluesKaj> asraniel_, are you talking about the update manager ?
[17:20] <mime1111> hello all. my problem: i have an external hdd that linux doesn't recognize even with fdisk commands. tied both formt methods with xp installation cd. used partition magic; tried ext fat, no result pluging it in jaunty 9.04, only strange-scratching reading noise
[17:21] <mime1111> any help :$ ?  thnx
[17:22]  * lera работает?
[17:23] <lera> ух йопт....
[17:27] <Peace-> !ru | lera
[17:28] <asraniel_> BluesKaj: shadeslayersorry, i wanted to say i get the 11.04 popup every few minutes and for the moment i want to stay on 10.10. how can i ignore them?
[17:30] <mime1111> hello all. my problem: i have an external hdd that linux doesn't recognize even with fdisk commands. tied both formt methods with xp installation cd. used partition magic; tried ext fat, no result pluging it in jaunty 9.04, only strange-scratching reading noise
[17:31] <BluesKaj> asraniel_, you have the update manager / upgrade OS or some such enabled in your package manager, disable it
[17:31] <Thinkerer68> :(
[17:32] <Thinkerer68> I let KPackageKit upgrade my Kubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope system to 9.10 Karmic Koala, and now I get no GUI
[17:33] <Thinkerer68> I got a couple of weird messages on the TTYs though.
[17:33] <mime1111> maybe u can go to ur package manager and delete update manager
[17:33] <mime1111> i did it
[17:34] <Thinkerer68> I could probably do that, but KPackageKit really should just work without hosing my GUI
[17:35] <Thinkerer68> So I'm thinking maybe I need to reinstall nVidia proprietary driver.
[17:35] <mime1111> i mean the ''update manager'' and update manually
[17:35] <Thinkerer68> But I'm a little worried about what else might be broken.
[17:36] <Thinkerer68> mime1111: normally I update with "aptitude -P full-upgrade"
[17:36] <mime1111> ok
[17:37] <mime1111> i was  trying to help araniel
[17:37] <James147> Thinkerer68: see if kubuntu-desktop is still installed
[17:37] <mime1111> u can put the cd on and repair th tree directory
[17:38] <mime1111> maybe?
[17:38] <mime1111> thinkener
[17:38] <mime1111> thinkerer sorry
[17:39] <Thinkerer68> James147: kubuntu-desktop is installed
[17:39] <James147> Thinkerer68: what does "startx" say?
[17:52] <Thinkerer68> James147: Output of "startx" -> <http://paste.kde.org/52423/>
[17:52] <sean_w> Anyone have issues with flash objects not rendering propererly under Firefox 4?
[17:55] <James147> Thinkerer68: yeah, looks like a problem with the nvidia drivers, rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf and that should bring your gui back
[17:55] <James147> (sudo start kdm  to start it without rebooting"
[17:55] <Thinkerer68> James147: I will try that, but I have to leave for a bit first. I'll come back later when I have more time  :)
[17:58] <sean_w> Can someone try and see if https://www.siriusxm.com/player/ renders properly on firefox 4 with adobe flash? Thanks.
[18:00] <BluesKaj> sean_w, I assume you have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed ?
[18:03] <sean_w> BluesKaj: I'm not sure. It renders fine in rekonq. I think it's a FF4 bug.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> sean_w, yeah  FF4 is clunky ,so I switched to chromium..managed to bring all the important bookmarks over
[18:06] <sean_w> BluesKaj: Should I report this on launchpad or bugzilla?
[18:14] <BluesKaj> sean_w, perhaps try installing flashplugin-installer first
[18:24] <sean_w> BluesKaj: No change. Here is rekonq: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/560015/flashrekonq.png and ff4: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/560015/flashff4.png
[18:25] <sean_w> the gray sqares change as one interacts with them
[18:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> sean_w: looks like you have noscript enabled for this page? try disabling it and see if that resolves your problem
[18:28] <Spaz_Dynamic> or "temporarily allow all this page"
[18:31] <sean_w> Spaz_Dynamic: Was already allowed. Disabled that and adblock too. No change.
[18:35] <MK``> sean_w: I get the same issue in fx4
[18:35] <MK``> I think it's an embedding issue
[18:35] <MK``> I noticed when youtube links are embedded in websites I get a similar rendering error
[18:35] <Spaz_Dynamic> sean_w: in the screen shot, it looks like noscript is still enabled for this page, though I may be mistaken. It could just be a bug with firefox. maybe open a bug report with them?
[18:35] <MK``> I imagine it is a bug in firefo.
[18:36] <MK``> I am running on gnome, for the record.
[18:41] <BluesKaj> sean_w, they don't work on chromium either ...might be some other problem
[18:41] <Spaz_Dynamic> BluesKaj sean_w The site works fine on my chromium browser
[18:42] <MK``> It works for me in Chromium without error
[18:42] <BluesKaj> anyway I have to go ...BBL
[18:44] <BluesKaj> MK``, that site looks like a screenshot to me so there's no flash required
[18:44] <BluesKaj> BBL
[18:45] <MK``> no it needed flash
[18:46] <MK``> well I am off
[18:51] <skafti> i need an advice with java problem, trying to open a service that halts and requries that java is installed but the thing is i have java installed
[18:51] <sean_w> MK'': No issues with YouTube here. Though I have had another issue with flassh slideshow controls vanishing on other sites.
[18:52] <sean_w> BluesKaj: Does it render the same as in my firefox screenshot?
[18:54] <sean_w> skafti: Perhaps $JAVA_HOME needs to be set?
[18:54] <skafti> ? how do i check that ?
[18:55] <george_> Hello guys. I'm trying to run radiotray 0.6.3 (other versions, don't work either) on Kubuntu 11.04, but is not working. When I run sudo radiotray I get this: ERROR: Could not load classifier cascade /usr/share/opencv/haarcascades/haarcascade_frontalface_alt2.xml
[18:55] <george_> ERROR: Could not load classifier cascade /usr/share/opencv/haarcascades/haarcascade_frontalface_alt2.xml. Any help? Thanks in advance.
[18:56] <sean_w> skafti: try sudo update-alternatives --config java
[18:59] <skafti> There is only one alternative in link group java: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java
[18:59] <skafti> ""
[19:00] <James147> skafti: what problem are you having with java?
[19:00] <skafti> trying to open a site that demands java though i have java installed
[19:01] <James147> skafti: did you just install java?
[19:01] <skafti> i got java from repository yesterday
[19:01] <skafti> :)
[19:01] <James147> skafti: i assume you have logout out and backin since then?
[19:02] <skafti> yes restarted and the whole lot
[19:02] <James147> skafti: does "java --version" work?
[19:03] <skafti> open jdk java 6 runtime open jdk java 6 web start ca-certifcates-java installed
[19:03] <James147> skafti: so java is working... possibally a problem with your browser
[19:04] <skafti> Firefox 4.0.1
[19:19] <volty> going to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04, anyone had bad experience ?
[19:20] <James147> volty: afew have... afew always do... but most of them time its fine :) there have been less problems latly with people upgrading at least ...
[19:21] <volty> James147: so, anyway, nothing serious ? at least fresh install ? (i have my data elsewhere)
[19:22] <volty> meant at least fresh install could fix if something goes wrong
[19:22] <James147> volty: haven't heard many problems with a fresh install... if you want to make sure I would test a live cd... if that runs then its likley a fresh install will at least work
[19:23] <volty> it will, my pc is ok, so i'll first try upgrade, thx :)
[20:27] <protv> GIMP does not open in kkkubuntu 11.04
[20:27] <Peace-> protv: wel...
[20:27] <protv> It shows in the taskbar for few seconds and then vanishes.
[20:28] <Peace-> protv: its a crash
[20:28] <Peace-> protv: first you could test krita
[20:28] <Pici> I think theres a bug logged for GIMP, I don't have a # though.
[20:28] <Peace-> protv: after that i guess you should run gimp on konsole
[20:28] <Peace-> protv: with the error that konsole will show you you can google
[20:29] <protv> Peace-: Yes krita loads up fine. trying gimp on konsole now
[20:30] <protv> Peace-: When I do "kdesudo gimp" it loads up!
[20:30] <protv> but without the oxygen theme
[20:39] <shadeslayer> protv: it works fine here
[20:39] <shadeslayer> what
[20:39] <shadeslayer> protv: Don't start GIMP with kdesudo
[20:39] <shadeslayer> why would you even do that O_O
[20:40] <protv> Well I needed to invert an image, and GIMP wouldn't load up normally, I had no other go
[20:45] <shadeslayer> protv: it loads up fine here on 11.04
[20:45] <protv> shadeslayer: amd64?
[20:45] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:45] <protv> any way I can log the error messages?
[20:47] <shadeslayer> protv: yeah start it with : gdb gimp : in console and then type : run
[20:47] <shadeslayer> after it crashes type : bt
[20:47] <shadeslayer> and pastebin the output somewhere
[20:47] <shadeslayer> unfortunately i have to leave now .. cya
[20:48] <protv> thanks, seg fault, see ya
[20:57] <protv> shadeslayer: heya, for when you return. .. Do you have the oxygen theme or Rayleigh theme?
[20:58] <James147> protv: everyone should have the oxygen theme ^^
[20:59] <protv> oxygen theme does not work with GIMP on amd64 atleast for me
[20:59] <castellino> hi
[20:59] <James147> protv: do other gtk apps?
[21:00] <castellino> please when i want to use a wire connection it doesn't work with my kubuntu, why?
[21:02] <protv> James147: Yes
[21:02] <protv> wait you say gtk apps. any examples, I am not sure of  any gtk apps
[21:03] <James147> protv: most non kde apps ^^
[21:04] <protv> Most of them say gnome apps, like GNU wave cleaner, works fine
[21:04] <James147> protv: gnome apps use gtk ^^ :)
[21:05] <James147> protv: hmm, how are you running gimp?
[21:05] <protv> gftp works fine too with oxygen. its only gimp i guess
[21:05] <protv> from the menu
[21:07] <castellino> please when i want to use a wire connection it doesn't work with my kubuntu, why?
[21:09] <BluesKaj> castellino, sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[21:10] <BluesKaj> in the konsole castellino ^
[21:29] <muxol> i'm getting so much swap action that my kubuntu installation is rendered almost entirely unresponsive...i've had this happen two or three times today...any ideas as to what might be casuing it?
[21:30] <muxol> i never had this running kubuntu 10.10 with backports and kde 4.6.2
[21:31] <BluesKaj> muxol, open kmenu/apps/system/system monitor , check whats hogging
[21:32] <muxol> BluesKaj--it would take literally 10 minutes to open it up. However, when I manage to run top it shows kswapd0 using some cycles...but the real problem is the thrashing hdd access
[21:32] <muxol> (not cpu usage)
[21:33] <muxol> I guess it's a kernel bug?
[21:34] <James147> muxol: use htop or the system monitor to find out whats using the memory
[21:35] <muxol> James147: I'm installing htop now
[21:35] <BluesKaj> wow. muxol , never seen that before
[21:37] <muxol> Yeah, it's weird. I see that no swap has been used it. I bet it happens when it starts to access the swap file/partition. I'll try to make it do it now.
[21:37] <protv> muxol: which app do you using the most memory when you press ctrl + escape?
[21:38] <muxol> Firefox, Skype, and then Amarok (in that order)
[21:40] <protv> I have 3gb ram and Amarok is the most memory hog for my PC.
[21:40] <protv> s/3gb/2gb
[21:40] <James147> muxol: another good tool is iotop ^^ lets you see disk inout and output (htop can also do this if you configure it abit)
[21:41] <muxol> Amarok's not too bad here. I also notice that cpu usage is lower when using the VLC backend for phonon rather than gstreamer or xine (the former doesn't even allow tracking seeking, apparently).
[21:41] <muxol> James147: Thanks very much. That would be more helpful in this situation, I imagine.
[21:42] <James147> muxol: htop can monitor just about anything ^^ though you may need to configure it some :)
[21:42] <muxol> James147: It's pretty slick. Mucher slicker than the barebones top.
[21:43] <muxol> It's really hard to fill up the 2GB of ram
[21:44] <James147> muxol:  :) not really :) at least not if your disk caching... which linux does by default
[21:44] <muxol> I have tons of apps open right now and it still hasn't touched swap
[21:44] <muxol> is that normal?
[21:44] <James147> ^^ though that dosnt really cause problems as the cache is droped when space is needed
[21:45] <muxol> 1GB of memory used.
[21:45] <James147> muxol: yup
[21:45] <muxol> ok
[21:45] <James147> muxol: how much memory are you actually using?
[21:45] <muxol> Well, I don't recall having more apps than this open ever, so I wonder why swap was ever used.
[21:45] <muxol> 1GB of my 2GB
[21:45] <James147> muxol: depends on what apps your using... most shouldnt take too much
[21:46] <James147> muxol: yeah, thats about right... never filed my ram on my netbook (2gigs)
[21:46] <James147> (I would know if i had since it would just crash... not running it with any swap :D )
[21:48] <James147> muxol: think i only ran out of ram on my desktop once (6 gigs) and that was because I had one too many vms open :D
[21:48] <muxol> yeah that's a really easy way to fill up RAM
[21:48] <muxol> wish I had one installed
[21:48] <muxol> this is basically a clean install
[21:48] <James147> muxol: vm? its not hard.. just download virtualbox from the repos
[21:49] <muxol> yeah i know, but then i'd have to install a vm
[21:49] <muxol> which takes ages
[21:49] <muxol> on my lowly core solo ULV
[21:49] <James147> muxol: depends on what your installing :)
[21:49] <muxol> well, true, but I was thinking a standard linux distro or windows
[21:50] <James147> muxol: linux should take much longer then it normally does ^^ infact its probally faster in a vm with an iso then on an actual computer with a cdrom
[21:50] <muxol> well, I give up. I have to get up tomorrow at 5am (!) for a flight, so I'll try again at some other time. Thanks for everyone's help though, especially for the htop and iotop utils :)
[21:51] <James147> shouldnt ^^
[22:10] <dorban117> bnsr
[22:19] <mohamad> Voltei pesoal
[22:19] <mohamad> ops
[22:19] <mohamad> pessoal* hahaha
[22:19] <mohamad> opa, foi mal, idioma errado
[22:36] <AndyMan1_> Hey. I've got an odd issue with kate and dolphin that my google-fu doesn't seem to be helping with. When trying to open a remote file via ssh through kate (using the filesystem browser) everything opens fine. When trying to open that file with dolphin, it gets opened in kate as 2206.0.Filename.txt. The number increments. This just started happening recently. I'm running Kubuntu 11.04 with...
[22:36] <AndyMan1_> ...KDE 4.6.2. Closing the applications, rebooting, and/or clearing tmp directories doesn't seem to help. Any ideas?
[23:06] <arbosis> hello everyone, can anyone help my with kmess?
[23:07] <arbosis> anyone please :(
[23:07] <James147> arbosis: your more likly to get help if you just state your problem
[23:08] <arbosis> thanks, I'm getting a ""The remote host closed the connection" problem
[23:08] <arbosis> when I'm loggin in, after it loads the contacts, it disconnects
[23:09] <arbosis> this is the output in konsole
[23:09] <arbosis> 8.330> kmess(2250) RoamingService::updateProfile: Missing profileResourceId, not updating profile
[23:09] <arbosis> 8.725> kmess(2250) MsnNotificationConnection::slotError: MSN Notification Connection error type 4 : "The remote host closed the connection"
[23:10] <James147> arbosis: what version of kubuntu?
[23:11] <arbosis> 11.04
[23:11] <arbosis> kmess is 2.0.6
[23:11] <James147> arbosis: could you try creating a new user and seeing if it works for them
[23:12] <arbosis> you mean a kubuntu user and loggin with the same account or trying another msn account?
[23:12] <James147> arbosis: kubuntu user account
[23:13] <arbosis> I'll try that ;)
[23:19] <arbosis_> it didn't work :(
[23:20] <arbosis_> is the same as before, it disconnects just after loading conntacs
[23:24] <arbosis_> James147:  thanks for your help, but it still doesn't work :/
[23:47] <oracleoftruth> Hello all. Would anyone please be able to offer some advice on a sound problem?
[23:47] <oracleoftruth> please
[23:54] <jprobe> Hi, all.  I am new to Kubuntu and had a quick question about keyboard shortcuts.  Is this the correct place to ask?
[23:55] <James147> !ask | jprobe
[23:55] <oracleoftruth> looks like all the helpers are in bed
[23:56] <James147> oracleoftruth: ^^ or that there have been no relevent questions asked
[23:56] <oracleoftruth> I have a problem with my sound. was set to hdmi by default (which im not using
[23:56] <oracleoftruth> james147: thats true
[23:57] <James147> oracleoftruth: system settings > multimedia > phonon... move your prefired device to the top for the selected catogory
[23:57] <jprobe> How can I set up a keyboard shortcut so that I can move a window from one screen to another.
[23:57] <oracleoftruth> james147: Thanks James I tried that but didn't work.


[02:15] <c_smith_> anyone here got any experience with the FOSS drivers and the Radeon HD 6xxx line?


[16:26] <hakimsheriff> Hey Guys
[16:26] <hakimsheriff> Is the meeting over yet?
[16:33] <Omega> hakimsheriff: We didn't have a meeting.
[16:36] <hakimsheriff> IT said it on my google calendar?
[16:37] <hakimsheriff> oops