 Hi all! I have a dark mode in Plasma. The small icons like the back button etc, are almost invisible. How can I change these to white? Thanks.
[12:45] <jubo2> Hello and BIG thank you thank you for the awesome desktop OS
[12:46] <jubo2> Now got an issue.. Using the Plasma Vault the GUI complains about wrong versions of CryFS and alternatively wrong version of EncFS. I checked with 'apt show cryfs' and 'apt show encfs' and the installed versions are _newer_ than the one that Plasma Vaults is expecting. What to do / Can I proceed?
[13:09] <acheronuk> jubo2: what plasma version is this?
[13:11] <acheronuk> I think this issue already has a fix ready for when the next bugfix release of plasma comes out
[13:57] <jubo2> Uhh.. dunno. The one that ships with Kubuntu 18.04.1
[13:57] <jubo2> acheronuk: Where do I check the plasma version?
[15:21] <acheronuk> jubo2: you will have 5.12.7. this bug will be fixed in 5.12.8 and can be ignored until then, if it lets you continue anyway
[16:40] <jubo2> acheronuk: "next"-button is disabled in the screen where I can select the encryption system to be used and where the errors are shown
[16:54] <acheronuk> jubo2: do you have one of the 2 installed?
[16:54] <acheronuk> as it works for me with 5.12.7 if I do
[16:55] <jubo2> acheronuk: Both CryFS and EncFS are installed, but the installed versions are newer than what the Plasma Vault is expecting
[16:57] <acheronuk> jubo2: the bug is that the wrong error message is shown. plus I must have the same versions as you, and can create a vault just fine
[16:58] <acheronuk> jubo2: can you report a bug? as I can't make it do what you are saying
[16:58] <jubo2> acheronuk: I cannot create a vault. The next-button is grayed out
[16:58] <jubo2> acheronuk: how do I check which Plasma version I have?
[16:59] <acheronuk> plasmashell -v
[16:59] <acheronuk> and look at the package version for plasma-vault package
[17:00] <acheronuk> both should say 5.12.7
[17:01] <acheronuk> https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/bionic-updates/plasma-vault
[17:02] <jubo2> acheronuk: I checked with 'apt show plasma-vault' and the version is 5.12.7-0ubuntu0.1
[17:02] <jubo2> And the version of plasmashell is 5.12.7
[17:12] <acheronuk> same versions I have. so I can't reproduce the error you get
[17:13] <acheronuk> if you can file a bug, can maybe investigate more another day
[17:31] <jubo2> acheronuk: where do I file a bug report?
[17:31] <jubo2> like which bugtracker?
[17:31] <jubo2> the KDE one?
[17:33] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-vault
[17:33] <jubo2> Ok. I'll do that a little later on tonite
[17:33] <acheronuk> 'report a bug link' top right
[17:33] <jubo2> Now I gotta log offa irc so I can rsync my homedir to a backup disk
[17:34] <jubo2> pinned
[17:34] <jubo2> laters folks


[00:08] <Beryl> Soo who else has this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1284558
[00:17] <rohan> how do i move window controls to the right in ubuntu unity 14.04?
[00:19] <Beryl> i'm pretty sure ubuntu tweak still works with that
[00:19] <rohan> Beryl: i am not having the firefox bug you linked to
[00:20] <rww> me either
[00:20] <rohan> Beryl: also i read somewhere that unity no longer uses GTK styling so the older way of moving buttons wouldn't work
[00:20] <rohan> i am using KDE myself, but i am asking this for a test build i'm planning to use
[00:21] <rohan> Beryl: also, i *just* noticed a new firefox update was pushed. does that fix your issue?
[00:21] <rohan> i get that error in my terminal too, but firefox still works. did you try resetting your profile?
[00:22] <Beryl> I've tried everything, 5 different version fo firefox, empty and premade profiles
[00:22] <Beryl> it never gets tot he point of reading the profile folder
[00:22] <Beryl> the strace output is too monsterous to read
[00:26] <rohan> very odd.
[00:26] <Beryl> funny thing is if you use a firefox built for debian's older glibc it'll run once in a while
[07:55] <Hempathy> hi guys, I'm looking for some help with 14.04 packages
[07:57] <Hempathy> specifically dependencies for compiz-gnome and unity-settings-daemon
[09:44] <TenLeftFingers> In 14.04 I've been offered a partial upgrade for nearly a week now. The details section specifies a new kernel installaiton as well as upgrades to 149 packages. Is it safe to assume after several days that this is one of those cases where the changes are intended to be applied?
[09:54] <dawk> I'm not able to login to my desktop
[09:55] <dawk> I stopped lightdm to disable GUI, ever since then I'm not able to login to my desktop
[09:55] <dawk> I get the login screen
[09:56] <dawk> and when I enter the password, I see the mouse cursor, and it comes to the login screen
[11:02] <varikonniemi> hello, i have a suggestion for the new shutdown/restart window. Currently the text can only be seen on mouseover, this is bad for touchscreens since they cannot know the options
[11:06] <DJones> varikonniemi: Is that on a touchscreen based laptop, or on tablet? I don't have a touchscreen laptop so its not something I'd thought of, but I can see what you mean
[11:06] <varikonniemi> no its just something i noticed while testing
[11:07] <DJones> It makes sense, got me wondering how the tablet/phone version does it?
[11:07] <varikonniemi> i have normal laptop wo touchscreen
[11:08] <DJones> I wonder whether its different with a touchscreen laptop
[11:08] <varikonniemi> that was my first thought, but it would be unnecessary work
[11:10] <varikonniemi> this is also a problem on lock/lgout screen, an perhaps all similar dialogs?
[11:10] <DJones> I thought the default was that the shutdown button is highlighted so you can see the text, not something I can check at the minute
[11:10] <DJones> But even so, you still wouldn't know what the other button was for
[11:10] <varikonniemi> i did not notice any button being highlighted, i was only running in live media
[11:10] <varikonniemi> so maybe driver bug or something
[11:11] <varikonniemi> but you are right, the other option remains a mystery even if highlighting works
[11:15] <varikonniemi> i suggest to make the text always visible as background white, and turn foreground white on mouseover.
[11:18] <DJones> I think the idea is people realise the the difference between the two icons, one looks like a power button, the other part circle with the arrow suggests reboot
[11:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:22] <varikonniemi> DJones, i can see that, but imho that sacrifices quite significant functionality for some aesthetic preference
[11:25] <varikonniemi> not everyone has taught themselves the meaning of those symbols. And it gets even more pronounced when you add more options to that menu like hibernate etc. with their own symbols
[11:26] <varikonniemi> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Lycchb5oXAE/UTnMzmh87rI/AAAAAAAAOa4/dTl_TlMcUa4/s1600/ubuntu-new-shutdown-dialog_1.png feeling lucky?
[11:31] <Gamoder__> Hi everyone, was there some major change in latex since 13.04? Somehow my document formatting is wrong now (and it wasn't in 13.04). Specifically, several line breaks are missing. Or am I just missing a package?
[11:34] <popey> varikonniemi: what kind of device are you imagining this being a problem on?
[11:41] <varikonniemi> popey, all devices which are being used by touchscreen
[11:42] <varikonniemi> please don't say unity8 is what supports touch etc....
[11:43] <popey> varikonniemi: devices such as?
[11:43] <varikonniemi> this is a really simple ui design bug, why these questions?
[11:44] <varikonniemi> there are hundreds of touch enabled devices ubuntu can run on
[11:45] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[11:49] <popey> varikonniemi: I only asked one question.
[11:50] <popey> varikonniemi: trying to figure out the impact of the issue. How many users are likely affected. Pretty normal bug triage process.
[12:00] <varikonniemi> popey, my point is that even if there was only a few such devices, why make something non functional for those few, when making it functional for everyone is a nobrainer? So there really is no point in figuring out exactly what % is affected, as the fix is not a compromise
[12:08] <popey> varikonniemi: because we have to prioritise work
[12:08] <popey> varikonniemi: e.g. a bug which causes data loss, or affects many users is higher priority than a design glitch that affects only a few
[15:04] <junkanoo> if I'm running 14.04 beta, how can I get the latest updates to 14.04... just run apt-get update?
[15:05] <junkanoo> what about when 14.04 is released in april... same thing or do I need to do apt-get upgrade?
[15:07] <Pici> !final
[15:11] <junkanoo> dist-upgrade... got it
[15:12] <junkanoo> thx
[15:12] <junkanoo> while I have you, I'm having trouble installing jave (jre) on my 14.04
[15:12] <junkanoo> any ideas?
[15:15] <junkanoo> scratch that... seems to work now (after a reboot)
[16:22] <varikonniemi> junkanoo, update you do before every upgrade
[16:23] <varikonniemi> and dist-upgrade every time it says that some packages were not upgraded
[18:22] <marianne> hello, is the new LTS 14.04 going to be available on disc?
[18:23] <k1l> marianne: with disc you mean CD length?
[18:25] <Nothing_Much> marianne: most likely not if you're expecting it on a CD and not a DVD
[18:30] <marianne> Nothing_Much: DVD works too... just want a good hardcopy just in case
[18:38] <Nothing_Much> marianne: DVDs work fine, CDs no longer work because the images are too big, the only known Ubuntu distro that I know of that'll fit on a CD is Lubuntu
[18:39] <marianne> Nothing_Much: well I'm decent once things are configured, but along the way mishaps can happen and it's nice to have a DVD to reinstall on hand
[18:39] <Nothing_Much> that's fine, a DVD will work :)
[18:42] <marianne> Nothing_Much: only thing I wish is that they had a repair option, for required system files
[18:47] <TJ-> marianne: I guess most people use a USB device now in preference to a DVD
[18:48] <marianne> TJ: what size would be required?
[18:50] <TJ-> marianne: I think 1GB should be sufficient for the Live ISO, larger for containing the complete software archive of course!
[18:51] <marianne> TJ: coolio... I'll go out and get one just for it...
[20:44] <burner> how do I know if fglx-updates has the latest 14.3 beta 1 catalyst driver?
[20:44] <burner> I was using fglrx, but the crashing on vlc was annoying enough to drop back to the open source
[20:50] <k1l> see the version the package in the repo is
[21:18] <robotti^> hello
[21:18] <robotti^> I find some little bug on ubuntu 14.04
[21:18] <robotti^> I do not have /dev/dvd
[21:18] <robotti^> only /dev/sr0 and /dev/cdrom
[21:18] <burner> is that a bug?
[21:18] <robotti^> I could not play dvd movies
[21:18] <burner> use vlc
[21:18] <burner> :)
[21:19] <robotti^> vlc cannot play dvd movies because of that
[21:19] <robotti^> mplayer cannot also
[21:19] <robotti^> lsdvd does not work also
[21:19] <burner> lsdvd doesn't work here, but I can open dvds with vlc
[21:19] <burner> !dvd
[21:19] <Beldar> robotti^, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs  install the restricted-extras as well
[21:19] <robotti^> I installed those
[21:19] <robotti^> Playback failure:
[21:19] <robotti^> DVDRead could not open the disc "/dev/dvd".
[21:19] <robotti^> Your input can't be opened:
[21:19] <robotti^> VLC is unable to open the MRL 'dvd:///dev/dvd'. Check the log for details.
[21:20] <robotti^> sorry my flood
[21:20] <robotti^> vlc log
[21:20] <burner> no worries... check can you tell vlc to open disk and change it to /dev/sr0 ?
[21:21] <robotti^> now it is trying to something, but it does not play
[21:22] <robotti^> that bug does not occur on earlier version of ubuntu
[21:23] <llutz> robotti^: "grep dvd /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules"  any output?
[21:26] <robotti^> Ok, I managed to install libdvdcss, normally it will install automatically
[21:27] <robotti^> and no need for shell script
[21:27] <robotti^> but now it was different than before
[21:27] <robotti^> should I make symbolic link for /dev/sr0 to /dev/dvd?
[21:28] <robotti^> because by default my players are trying to open /dev/dvd? I think it should fix?
[21:34] <robotti^> ok, now it is working
[21:34] <robotti^> thanks for help!
[21:44] <burner> :)


[04:55] <eggonlea> ogra: new rootstock works here! Thanks!
[04:56] <eggonlea> after install qemu-arm-static from Karmic (i'm using Jaunty)
[06:50] <siji> need help
[06:50] <siji> to compile clutter with SGX support on OMAP
[09:35]  * NCommander installs bootchart
[09:35] <ogra> eggonlea, good to hear !
[09:35]  * ogra did tests until 2am
[09:36] <ogra> eggonlea, if you find any issues, please file bugs, i'm scared that something regressed
[10:17] <lool> NCommander: So usplash just works on dove right?
[10:17] <NCommander> lool, works now. No idea what changed.
[10:17] <NCommander> lool, probably new kernel or driver updates
[10:17]  * NCommander is doing the usplash boot charts now
[10:18] <NCommander> it doesn't look like theres much difference if its enabled or not
[10:24] <lool> I think there was an issue in initramfs-tools
[10:24] <NCommander> lool, possibly. no point really dwelling on it unless it re-emerges
[10:27] <NCommander> lool, ogra http://people.canonical.com/~mcasadevall/bootchart/ - initial bootcharts (for some reason, a bunch of the usplash ones, and one of the no-usplash ones didn't fully write out, and corrupted the tgz). No real difference between having usplash and not having it on dove
[10:27] <ogra> give it time :)
[10:27] <ogra> the java conversion tool is very slow
[10:28] <ogra> erm
[10:28] <ogra> why doesnt your bootchart stop ?
[10:28] <ogra> how did you install it ?
[10:28] <NCommander> ogra, apt-get install bootchart?
[10:29] <NCommander> ogra, it stops ...
[10:29] <ogra> way after mine
[10:29] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/babbage2-karmic-20090916-2.png
[10:29] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/babbage2-karmic-20090916-3.png
[10:29] <NCommander> ogra, the conversion tool is very slow on ARM, its fine on my desktop
[10:29] <NCommander> ogra, I don't get it ....
[10:30] <ogra> i dont see the S99bootchart-stop initscript in yours at all
[10:30] <ogra> its java
[10:30] <NCommander> ogra, I'm not even logging in ...
[10:31] <ogra> so your xorg comes up after 14sec
[10:31] <NCommander> ogra, I don't get it, but I usually let the system sit at gdm for awhile, more thatn a minute, so it is stopping
[10:31] <NCommander> ogra, the framebuffer comes up at the 6-7 second mark
[10:32] <ogra> it should be up after the first modprobe ran
[10:32] <NCommander> ogra, oh, it comes up, but it take a bit of time to settle
[10:33] <ogra> woah, 49MB/s
[10:33] <ogra> is that SATA ?
[10:33] <NCommander> ogra, :-)
[10:33] <ogra> or USB ?
[10:33] <NCommander> SATA
[10:33] <ogra> ah
[10:33] <NCommander> but USB pretty fast on this too
[10:33] <ogra> well, i get 33 on my slow USB key
[10:33] <NCommander> lool, ogra, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mvl-dove/+bug/435046 - can you hit the nominate button
[10:34] <ogra> no, but the approve one :P
[10:34] <NCommander> ogra, er :-)
[10:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 435046 in linux-mvl-dove "Ethernet port on the dove sometimes changes MAC addresses" [Undecided,New]
[10:35] <lool> NCommander: done
[10:35] <NCommander> thanks
[10:35] <lool> NCommander: Give a heads up to bjf on it when you catch him
[10:35]  * NCommander is on eth30 right now
[10:35] <NCommander> Yeah
[10:35] <NCommander> I think its going up every boot now
[10:35] <ogra> why do you still use mem=512M ?
[10:35] <ogra> and console=tty0 ?
[10:35] <NCommander> ogra, because it doesn't bring up the full memory if you don't :-/
[10:36] <ogra> is that filed ?
[10:37] <ogra> i also see no "ro" in your cmdline
[10:37] <ogra> that should be added
[10:37] <NCommander> ogra, it was a known issue from Marvell I believe, but I don't think we have a specific bug on it
[10:37] <lool> NCommander: You might want to attach dmesg to the bug
[10:37] <ogra> and get it in the right order so quiet and splash sit at the end
[10:37] <lool> NCommander: Did you try lamont's uinitrd?
[10:37] <ogra> NCommander, we need to track it
[10:37] <NCommander> lool, not yet, my TFTP server is broken at the moment, and I just got console access to the dove back about an hour ago
[10:38] <ogra> tftp ?
[10:38] <ogra> i thought you made it run from disks
[10:38] <lool> ogra, NCommander: Please fix the default kernel cmdline now or file a bug about it
[10:38] <lool> The mem= should be a separate bugs
[10:38] <ogra> yeah
[10:39] <NCommander> lool, fixing it now in my branch, once I go over it and make sure its ok, I'll post a comment asking for review
[10:39] <ogra> NCommander, root=UUID=<$uuid> ro quiet splash
[10:39] <ogra> thats all you should have ... in this order
[10:40] <ogra> the ro is important for fsck
[10:40] <NCommander> ogra, at the risk of a stupid question, does that order actually matter?
[10:40]  * NCommander is geniunely curious ...
[10:40] <ogra> its mentioned in docs all across the wiki
[10:40] <ogra> so it makes sense to keep the same order the rest of ubuntu uses
[10:40] <lool> NCommander: it does not but let's keep it consistent
[10:41] <NCommander> right, no problem
[10:41] <ogra> doesnt matter technically
[10:41] <NCommander> ogra, good catch on that, changed on my flash-kernel branch. Once I make sure the installer still works with my changes, I'll kick a branch up
[10:41] <ogra> good
[10:42] <NCommander> yeah, mem=512M is still needed
[10:42]  * NCommander files a bug
[10:43] <ogra> hmm, if i only could find my voltmeter
[10:44] <ogra> lool, battery bug still presists even after 2 days of charging
[10:45] <lool> ogra: Reopen it and note that you didn't test the actual voltage
[10:47]  * NCommander is at eth31
[10:50]  * ogra wonders when NCommander runs out of numbers :)
[10:53] <NCommander> ogra, probably eth255
[10:53] <NCommander> ogra, I already ran out of DHCP leases -_-;
[10:53] <NCommander> ogra, (that's how I found the magic MAC numbers)
[10:54] <ogra> set a shorter lease time :)
[10:54] <NCommander> ogra, I did
[10:54] <NCommander> udev assigns a new ethXXX number because the MAC address differs I think
[10:54] <ogra> indeed
[10:55]  * NCommander filed a bug on this but still this is redicious
[10:55] <NCommander> (32)
[10:57] <NCommander> ogra, lool: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mvl-dove/+bug/435151 - someone accept the nomination please :-)
[10:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 435151 in linux-mvl-dove "dove kernel requires mem=512M to use all available memory" [High,New]
[11:01] <lool> NCommander: Do you also see oo.o not starting on dove?
[11:01] <lool> NCommander: I dont think that needs to be tracked for release
[11:01] <lool> Ethernet issue is important, mem=512m cleanup is nice to have
[11:02] <lool> "High" uh
[11:02] <NCommander> *coughs*
[11:02] <NCommander> lool, the problem is if you have a board with more that 512MiB (like at Marvell) it won't be able to see it.
[11:02] <lool> NCommander: now that you learnt how to properly get a bug on the radar you need to learn how not to  :-)
[11:03] <lool> NCommander: I can see it'sa real life issue which wont hit any of us and will only limit amount of RAM
[11:03] <lool> Is this blocking the release of karmic?  no
[11:03] <lool> Is this a nice to have for karmic?  certainly
[11:03] <lool> Could we decently release an image without that fix?  yes
[11:04]  * NCommander doesn't remember the last time he didn't file a bug that was High or Critical ...
[11:04] <NCommander> -_-;
[11:04] <lool> Critical should really be exceptional
[11:04] <lool> I might have filed a couple, or perhaps three total
[11:05] <NCommander> Two or three, dunno the specifics
[11:05] <NCommander> Its usually one per cycle
[11:05] <NCommander> OOo starts ...
[11:06] <NCommander> and then crashs with the InteractiveAugmentedIOException
[11:06] <NCommander> But I do get the splash screen
[11:06] <NCommander> ^- lool ogra
[11:08] <lool> NCommander: that's with latest karmic?
[11:08] <NCommander> lool, do you want me to start investing time in the OOo bug after the last few dove issues are firmly squashed?
[11:08] <NCommander> uh
[11:08]  * NCommander didn't apt-get update today actually
[11:08] <ogra> well, thats the normal oo.o behavior
[11:08] <lool> NCommander: You get the same output as in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/417009 ?
[11:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 417009 in openoffice.org "all openoffice apps die in 'com::sun::star::ucb::InteractiveAugmentedIOException' on armel in karmic" [High,Confirmed]
[11:08] <NCommander> no
[11:08] <NCommander> I don't get the first error
[11:09] <lool> that one javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment! ?
[11:09] <NCommander> I only get "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::ucb::InteractiveAugmentedIOException'"
[11:09] <lool> NCommander: Ok and it fails to start?
[11:09] <NCommander> yeah, fails to start
[11:09] <lool> Then it's the same on non-cortex-a8
[11:09] <ogra> because you installed bootchart
[11:09]  * NCommander notes he DOES have java packages installed though
[11:09] <ogra> it pulls in java
[11:10] <ogra> by default the oo.o java extensions shouldnt be installed due to CD size constraints
[11:10] <NCommander> ogra, right. Anyway, I think it might be worth building a rawhide/Fedora chroot, and see if their armel port works w/ OOo
[11:10] <ogra> i doubt they use our toolchain or compiler version
[11:10] <ogra> and it works fine with libgcc3_uno.so from jaunty copied in place
[11:11] <NCommander> right
[11:11] <NCommander> I knew that
[11:11]  * NCommander needs coffee
[11:12] <NCommander> ogra, it seems like the same issue we had w/ thunderbird
[11:12] <ogra> why do you say that with every second bug ?
[11:13] <NCommander> ogra, say what? need coffee or?
[11:13]  * ogra doesnt see any relation between TB and OO.o
[11:13] <NCommander> ogra, er, more specifcally, the cause, which was an issue with preprocessor macros, but I'm no expert on this bug
[11:14] <ogra> TB had build failures
[11:14] <ogra> OO.o fails to run
[11:15] <NCommander> ogra, no, it was fail to run mostly
[11:15] <NCommander> lool, I just had a nasty thought that our dove images might break on whatever hardware Marvell might roll out in the future
[11:16] <NCommander> even if its Dove compatible
[11:16] <ogra> suppress such thoughts ?
[11:16] <NCommander> ogra, :-p
[11:25] <lool> NCommander: We need to wait until we see more of the future
[11:25] <lool> NCommander: or perhaps you can check your crystal ball and tell me how Hardware will look like on these devices and how compatible they will be
[11:26] <lool> NCommander: Remember that the kernel needs to be ported too, adding machine-ids etc.
[11:26] <NCommander> My magic 8 ball says "Try Again Later"
[11:26] <NCommander> :-/
[11:27] <NCommander> lool, hrm ... I completely forgot that the kernel also uses the Hardware field
[11:27] <NCommander> Ok, feel free to ignore me
[11:27] <siji> hello all
[11:28] <siji> i successfully compiled clutter with GLX support
[11:28] <siji> While trying to compile clutter aplication
[11:28] <siji> it's giving a error like
[11:29] <siji> Glib ERROR /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.20.1/glib/gmem.c:136:failed to allocate<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes
[11:33] <siji> any idea
[12:17] <lool> NCommander: so you booted lamont's kernel + initrd successfully?
[12:17] <NCommander> lool, yeah, I got to the (initramfs) prompt
[13:39] <lool> ogra: is MX51 TO 3.0 a separate file in redboot-imx or is it the same file for to2 and to3 boards?
[13:39] <lool>    + Add display support on MX51 & MX37 3-stack platforms
[13:39] <lool> cool
[13:39] <lool> ah wait that's LCD
[13:39] <ogra> there is no romram_TO3
[13:39] <ogra> so i dont see where it would have been added
[13:39] <ogra> the changelog mentiones it though
[13:40] <ogra> and yes, no change for our setup wrt displays
[13:40] <lool> ogra: Hmm I only see -rw-r--r-- root/root<PHONE_NUMBER>-09-23 12:53 ./usr/lib/redboot/imx51-babbage-TO2_redboot.bin
[13:40] <lool> ogra: Did you confirm that works on babbage 2.0/2.5?
[13:40] <ogra> thats how we named it, yes
[13:40] <ogra> with 2.5
[13:40] <ogra> i dont have a 2.0
[13:41] <lool> Yeah good enough
[13:41] <lool> ogra: Perhaps we should add a TO3 symlink
[13:41] <ogra> i test the imx51-babbage_redboot.bin on 1.0 and imx51-babbage-TO2_redboot.bin on 2.5 usually
[13:41] <ogra> well, how would we know it actually supports TO3
[13:41] <ogra> there is no indication in the patch
[13:41] <lool> ogra: You quoted the release notes
[13:41] <ogra> i copy pasted the release notes, yes
[13:42] <lool> Well you say in the ubuntu changelog that it now supports TO3
[13:42] <ogra> but couldnt find a specific code reference to TO3
[13:42] <ogra> upstream says that
[13:42] <lool> hmpf
[13:42] <ogra> there is nothing specific in the imx51 patch that has TO3 attached to it
[13:43] <ogra> ogra@osiris:/var/build/redboot_200933/package$ grep TO3 patch-redboot-200933-mx51
[13:43] <ogra> ogra@osiris:/var/build/redboot_200933/package$
[13:43] <ogra> and thats the original upstream patch, not the modified dpatch ... (which has CVS dirs stripped)
[13:44] <ogra> ogra@osiris:/var/build/redboot_200933/package$ grep TO3 patch-redboot-200933-base
[13:44] <ogra> ogra@osiris:/var/build/redboot_200933/package$
[13:44] <ogra> same here
[13:45] <ogra> if TO3 hw works with it, fine ... but nobody added a comment or anything when the code was added
[13:45] <ogra> i simply trust what they write in their changelog, what else can i do
[13:47] <lool> ogra: Well either you believe there's TO3 support, then you quote the release notes and assume that what you're building TO3 support, or you dont in which case you dont quote the release notes
[13:47] <ogra> well, i belive upstream
[13:47] <ogra> and there is no specific additional TO3 patch or something
[13:48] <ogra> patch-redboot-200933-mx51.bz2 is the only thing we have for babbage and 3stack imx51
[13:48] <ogra> and from that i only build the babbage targets
[13:49] <ogra> i guess the TO2 binary currently has basic support for TO3 and a proper target will be added in a future release, thats how they did it for TO2
[13:52] <lool> So if the TO2 binary has support for TO3 my proposal stands
[13:52] <lool> 14:41 < lool> ogra: Perhaps we should add a TO3 symlink
[13:52] <ogra> ah well, but how would we test TO3 support ?
[13:53] <ogra> sure i can easily add a link
[13:53] <lool> ogra: It's in there since you trust upstream  :-)
[13:53] <ogra> :P
[13:53] <ogra> ok, i'll add a link :)
[13:56]  * ogra wonders about 435221
[13:56] <lool> bug #435221
[13:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 435221 in project-rootstock "rootstock-0.1.2 crashes on missing /dev/pts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435221
[13:56] <ogra> how can a system be in such a state if deboostrap finished properly
[13:56] <ogra> (no update-rc.d no udevd)
[13:59] <lool> Well do you have sysv-rc?
[14:00] <lool> hmm probably you do
[14:00] <ogra> its a finished debootstrap (at least it should be)
[14:00] <ogra> there should be a /dev/pts as well as a udevd and update-rc.d
[14:01] <ogra> i wonder if the new debootstrap from today causes that
[14:01] <ogra> i did my tests before it was uploaded
[14:01] <ogra> but we'll see, i need more info first
[15:11] <lool>   * ARM: IMX51: Make fec ethernet driver compile
[15:11] <lool>   * [Config] Disable FEC2 for imx51
[15:12] <ogra> yeah, just saw that
[15:13] <ogra> * ARM: IMX51: Fix USB errors ... should make GrueMaster happy
[15:13] <lool> GrueMaster: ^ check it out
[15:13] <ogra> once it built
[15:13] <GrueMaster> yea, I talked to amitk about that yesterday during the sprint.
[15:13] <ogra> i guess he did already though, since he spnt a day on amits lap to get it fixed
[15:14] <GrueMaster> Well, we weren't that close.  :P
[15:14] <GrueMaster> Has anyone else tried SATA?
[15:15] <ogra> no cable
[15:15] <GrueMaster> (not sata through usb).
[15:15] <ogra> well
[15:15] <ogra> SATA is SATA through USB
[15:15] <ogra> no matter how you attach it :P
[15:15] <GrueMaster> on-board sata.
[15:15] <ogra> is a USB bridge
[15:16] <GrueMaster> understood, but electrically it is very different than an external HD USB adapter.
[15:40] <rabeeh> hi
[15:40] <rabeeh> after 'apt-get upgrade' on karmic i get the following -
[15:40] <rabeeh> root@dove:~# gconftool
[15:40] <rabeeh> gconftool: relocation error: /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: symbol __abort_msg, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[15:40] <rabeeh> anyone? ogra? NCommander? lool?
[15:41] <NCommander> rabeeh, that error sounds vaguely familiar
[15:42] <rabeeh> looking at the logs; i see the 'apt-get upgrade' failed too with the same reason.
[15:42] <ogra> weird, i dont get it on imx51
[15:43] <NCommander> ogra, I know there was something dealing with __abort_msg's as a build failure a month or so back
[15:44] <rabeeh> i think that the reason might be libglib is being upgraded before libc
[15:45]  * NCommander notes he usually uses dist-upgrade verus upgrade ...
[15:46]  * ogra notes that he doiesnt use apt at all since we need to test update-manager :P
[15:50] <lool> rabeeh: You need to update glib and glibc
[15:50] <lool> rabeeh: Can you file this against glibc please?
[15:50] <lool> and sub us
[15:51] <NCommander> rabeeh, stupid question, are you using one of the official dove images?
[15:51] <ogra> us being ubuntu-armel :)
[15:51]  * NCommander sighs
[15:51] <rabeeh> NCommander: i'm just using karmic from ports.ubuntu.com --> not a live image
[15:52] <rabeeh> i'm building my own kernel
[15:52] <NCommander> rabeeh, how'd you install it?
[15:52] <ogra> well, the live image is an install media ;)
[15:52]  * NCommander notes we do have official images now, with our u-boot modifications public
[15:52] <rabeeh> NCommander: can you please send a link?
[15:52] <NCommander> rabeeh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/MarvellDoveKarmicInstall
[15:53] <NCommander> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/9.10/alpha-6/
[15:53] <rabeeh> NCommander: For installing my Karmic, I used debootstrap under a Debian/Lenny chroot, then used that as a base
[15:53] <rabeeh> NCommander: I haven't used rootstock or other tools
[15:54] <NCommander> rabeeh, that works, but you don't end up with an Ubuntu ramdisk, or our fancy autostart solution :-)
[15:54] <rabeeh> :)
[15:54] <rabeeh> Well, in my mind ramdisk, initrd and other stuff just makes my boot slower :)
[15:55] <ogra> well, you dont have an ubuntu system then
[15:55] <ogra> lots of stuff in userspace relies on stuff that was set up in initramfs
[15:55] <rabeeh> i have a karmic filesystem
[15:55] <rabeeh> like what?
[15:56] <ogra> right, you have a filesystem
[15:56] <NCommander> rabeeh, actually, after leaving u-boot, we hit desktop pretty quickly
[15:56] <ogra> dm-raid, encrypted dirs, lvm, splashscreen are some i can name off the top of my head
[15:57] <NCommander> rabeeh, the slowest bit ATM is the physical read from disk (and I'm starting to think its just the ext2 code)
[15:57] <ogra> beyond that i heard that the new upstart has issues with missing initramfs
[15:57] <ogra> but thats only rumors :)
[15:57] <NCommander> ogra, might explain why my SPARC currently panics on startup
[15:57] <rabeeh> ogra: i noticed that after apt-get update, udev doesn't show up (so i don't have /dev/ttyS0 to open a console on)
[15:58] <ogra> right
[15:58] <ogra> make sure to use an initramfs, its not a slowdown in karmic anymore
[15:58] <NCommander> rabeeh, in general, debootstrap based installs come with a big unsupported label :-/
[15:58] <ogra> yeah
[15:58] <NCommander> actually
[15:58] <ogra> thats why i'm so cautious to promote rootstock to loudly
[15:58] <NCommander> Pretty much anything short of the alternative or live installer has that label
[15:59] <ogra> while its noce for unsupported HW its really nothing you should use on imx51 or dove anymore
[15:59] <ogra> *nice even
[15:59] <rabeeh> i'll try the dove images.
[16:00] <rabeeh> NCommander: mechanical drives suffer a lot from seek time on boot. I previously compared boot with SSD vs. 3.5" drive and that was ~50% faster
[16:00] <rabeeh> (with xfce4)
[16:00] <NCommander> rabeeh, actually, I think its the filesystem code just being ....
[16:01] <NCommander> rabeeh, it shouldn't take 10 seconds to load a 3MiB file from a rotary drive, especially if that drive is spinned up
[16:01] <rabeeh> NCommander: then something is wrong with your drive.
[16:01] <Martyn> NCommander: Can, if the drive is ATA and neither PIO nor DMA is engaged
[16:01] <rabeeh> I know for a fact that dove can easily drive HDD full wire speed without issues (~80MB/sec on read with latest 7200rpm drives)
[16:02] <NCommander> rabeeh, in u-boot?
[16:02] <NCommander> rabeeh, once the system boots, its fine
[16:02] <rabeeh> oh
[16:02] <NCommander> But its the IPL of the kernel and ramdisk that just D-R-A-G-S on
[16:02] <ogra> SSD is definately a lot faster than rotary
[16:02] <rabeeh> NCommander: so probably you need to mkfs.ext2 with -b 4096 (4kb block size)
[16:03] <NCommander> rabeeh, I'll make sure I teach the installer about that when I teach it about u-boot partition types :-/
[16:03] <ogra> all the 10 second boot targets for karmic+1 rely on SSD
[16:03] <rabeeh> i recall i had an issue like this; and that seriously boosted the performance
[16:03] <ogra> you will boot 5 sec slower with rotary
[16:04] <NCommander> rabeeh, that's good to know. I wouldn't be suprised if u-boot makes some assumptions about partition information that's disappeared on a booted system
[16:05] <NCommander> rabeeh, anyway, the recommended way to install Ubuntu on dove is to grab the Canonical modified u-boot, grab an alpha 6 image, and play flip the DIPs
[16:05] <rabeeh> NCommander: it's definetely ext2 code in u-boot since it's running with I-cache enabled, but with D-cache disabled
[16:05] <NCommander> rabeeh, ow
[16:05] <NCommander> rabeeh, the only other choice is vfat ...
[16:05] <NCommander> ow
[16:05] <NCommander> wb Martyn
[16:05] <Martyn> thanks
[16:05] <rabeeh> NCommander: with '-b 4096' block sizes will be 4 times larger, so much less code to run
[16:05] <Martyn> That's what I get for trying to type on two consoles at once...
[16:05] <Martyn> I rebooted the wrong machine
[16:06] <NCommander> rabeeh, *wince*, we have an ext2 /boot partition, thats going to make files larger though
[16:06] <NCommander> Martyn, have you seen any issues with ext2 speed in u-boot?
[16:06] <Martyn> No
[16:06] <NCommander> Martyn, what version of u-boot?
[16:06] <Martyn> fat16/fat32 and ext2 work fine in my u-boot
[16:06] <Martyn> tips
[16:06] <rabeeh> Martyn: how big is your drive?
[16:07] <NCommander> Martyn, work, and work well are two different things ;-)
[16:07] <Martyn> I can go back from HEAD and see if there may have been an issue in the past, but at the moment, at least of three days ago, no issues
[16:07] <NCommander> Martyn, oh, *ahem*
[16:07] <NCommander> Martyn, our u-boot is 1.3.4 based :-)
[16:07] <rabeeh> NCommander: all u-boots are the same.
[16:07] <Martyn> rabeeh : Depends on which test bench machine .. the PBX A9's all have relatively small drives (80Gb)  and the other one has a 1Tb drive, but boots the same
[16:07] <Martyn> (other one = platform I can't talk about)
[16:08] <NCommander> rabeeh, I honestly won't be suprised if the ext2 code has been heavily modified in four major versions since 1.3.4
[16:08] <Martyn> rabeeh : Indeed NCommander is right there .. take a look at the checkins surrounding ext2
[16:08] <Martyn> NCommander: Are you stuck with the old version for a reason?
[16:08] <NCommander> rabeeh, at the moment, the lag is tolerable though
[16:09] <NCommander> Martyn, vendor provided u-boot
[16:11]  * NCommander hasn't tested load sleep from SSD/ext2 or SATA/vfat to rule out the drive
[16:12] <rabeeh> Who is Michael Casadevall
[16:12] <ogra> rabeeh, that guy you talked to the last minutes ;)
[16:12] <rabeeh> NCommander?
[16:13] <rabeeh> :)
[16:13] <ogra> yeah
[16:13]  * NCommander has been identified
[16:13] <rabeeh> NCommander: you have lots of warnings on upgrading u-boot on dove board. you seem hurt :)
[16:13] <Martyn> Beep beep :)
[16:13]  * Martyn laughs
[16:14] <NCommander> rabeeh, none of us have JTAG, or a known-working recovery method
[16:14] <Martyn> warnings?  Something new on the list I should have read?
[16:14] <NCommander> Martyn, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/MarvellDoveKarmicInstall
[16:14] <rabeeh> NCommander: come on; I wrote for you how to configure the bootrom to boot from the rs-232
[16:14] <Martyn> NCommander: <--- waiting for his Dove board
[16:14] <Martyn> then again, I'm also waiting on a new A9 based board too .. lots of frigging _waiting_
[16:14] <NCommander> rabeeh, and we never managed to get it work :-/. That's why we install u-boot to NAND now and have SPI as a backup
[16:14] <NCommander> (or at least I never did, I dunno if anyone else tried)
[16:15] <NCommander> er
[16:15] <NCommander> whoelse
[16:15] <ogra> NCommander, ? we all have jtags ?
[16:15] <NCommander> bah
[16:15] <NCommander> ogra, and no support scripts to debrick with them :-/
[16:15] <rabeeh> NCommander: i'll try and provide you exact instructions (again) :)
[16:15] <ogra> no idea
[16:15] <ogra> but i definately got that little board thats wrapped in a condom and fits into the jtag socket on the dove
[16:15] <NCommander> rabeeh, well, the problem might be that we don't use windows here
[16:16] <rabeeh> NCommander: as a cookie, we are considering adding FTDI chip on next Dove board; that will give you USB to serial and USB to JTAG for openocd
[16:16]  * Martyn goes back to fighting to build more of the userspace full v7
[16:16] <NCommander> ogra, oh, sure, I got that too, but openbcd doesn't support Dove
[16:16] <rabeeh> NCommander: minicom works too. it supports kermit
[16:16] <Martyn> rabeeh : PLEASE do so, if at all possible.
[16:16] <NCommander> rabeeh, no love here, when encoded to 0x0E, I believe I just get BootROM
[16:16] <NCommander> *BootROM 1.07>
[16:17] <rabeeh> NCommander: it will. like openocd didn't support sheevaplug; but now it does
[16:17] <rabeeh> Martyn: This is on the top of the list
[16:17] <NCommander> rabeeh, then I can be a little less scary with the dire warnings ;-)
[16:17] <rabeeh> NCommander: congratualations. you'v got bootrom now :)
[16:18] <Martyn> rabeeh : Marvel is now diverging from the ARM roadmap though, right?   No dual core A9 based chip, but something different instead?
[16:18] <NCommander> rabeeh, ENEEDINSTRUCTIONS ;-)
[16:18] <rabeeh> bootrom is the rom inside the Dove chip.
[16:18] <NCommander> rabeeh, I gathered that much. There's a distinct lack of documentation on what you can do at that prompt
[16:18] <ojn> Martyn: Why should Marvel follow ARMs roadmap?
[16:18] <ojn> they make their own cores
[16:18] <ojn> +l
[16:18] <Martyn> I know
[16:19] <ojn> (since we're not talking comics here :)
[16:19] <Martyn> Yeah yeah ...
[16:19] <NCommander> ojn, I'm just waiting for some superhero called THE ARM to come into existence and then make the resulting bad puns
[16:19] <Martyn> However, I'm curious as to whether a multicore chip is in the works...
[16:19] <Martyn> (that's v7, rather than v5 based)
[16:20] <ojn> Something to talk to them under NDA about, most likely.
[16:21] <NCommander> rabeeh, stupid question, why were you looking for me? (I have my nick on the Dove installation page)
[16:22] <Martyn> ojn : Well,a s long as rabeeh is on channel .. can't hurt to ask :)
[16:22] <rabeeh> NCommander: I missed your nick name on the wiki; just saw your name at the bottom of the page
[16:23] <rabeeh> NCommander: do you use minicom?
[16:23] <NCommander> rabeeh, I tried it
[16:23]  * NCommander prefers screen
[16:23] <ojn> Martyn: not everyone are loose lipped what concerns confidential information. :)
[16:23] <rabeeh> NCommander: change that to 0x10, instead of 0xe
[16:23] <Martyn> ojn : Depends on what's confidental ...
[16:23] <NCommander> rabeeh, I'll check it when I next powercycle the board
[16:24] <NCommander> rabeeh, I found a pretty decent work around which let me make our modifications to u-boot
[16:24] <rabeeh> NCommander: ok. when  I used minicom you would see sent 'spaces' from the board. those are xmodem send me some juice commands
[16:24] <NCommander> rabeeh, actually, you just got an email from me on that subject dated ~2-3 hours ago
[16:24] <Martyn> ojn : ARM fully published and released the roadmaps, documentation, etc for just about everything on the A9, PBX a9, and partners that are producing chips now .. so I figured Marvell (or it's reps) might now be more open as well.   In fact, there is plenty of information now on the ubuntu wiki regarding the Y0, etc...
[16:25] <Martyn> ojn : Point being that you never know, until you ask :)
[16:25] <NCommander> rabeeh, right, I tried to point sx at it. I'll look at that though, since I can remove some of the dire warnings
[16:25] <rabeeh> I haven't got any email
[16:25] <NCommander> rabeeh, your<EMAIL_ADDRESS>right?
[16:25] <rabeeh> yes
[16:25] <rabeeh> that's my (spam-me) email
[16:25] <NCommander> rabeeh, interesting, you should have been Cc'ed on it
[16:26] <NCommander> check your spam folder from anything from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:26] <ojn> Martyn: Right, hurting doesn't ask I suppose. :)
[16:26] <Martyn> ojn : Polish notation revering you are
[16:27] <rabeeh> NCommander: my junk mail is full on ads on viagras, my friends at Africa that has 100 million $ and doesn't know what to do with; but nothing from Michael
[16:27] <ojn> Martyn: whatever. :)
[16:28] <NCommander> rabeeh, woo, disappearing email
[16:28] <rabeeh> invisible ink email :)
[16:28] <NCommander> rabeeh, I'll take your invisible ink email, and raise you a 500 mile email
[16:28] <NCommander> http://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html
[16:29] <Martyn> slowly compiling ubuntu's packages on a PBX-a9 is s-l-o----oooooo---w
[16:29] <NCommander> Martyn, pedal faster ;-)
[16:30] <Martyn> NCommander: I need faster A9 hardware, damnit.
[16:30] <NCommander> Martyn, bah, no you don't
[16:30] <NCommander> Martyn, I built *KDE* on an NSLU2
[16:30] <ojn> Just do it on qemu. :)
[16:30] <Martyn> ojn : I get build fail issues under qemu
[16:30] <NCommander> rabeeh, see PM
[16:31] <NCommander> Martyn, system or user emulation?
[16:31] <Martyn> system
[16:31] <NCommander> Martyn, odd
[16:31] <NCommander> Martyn, its stable for ARMv5 for me
[16:31] <NCommander> Never tried to abuse ARMv7 on it though
[16:31] <Martyn> NCommander: Which is kind of the point.
[16:32] <NCommander> Martyn, it could be worse
[16:32] <Martyn> NCommander: Real hardware is better anyway.  Build -might- finish by friday
[16:32] <NCommander> Martyn, WTF are you building?
[16:32] <Martyn> NCommander: Karmic
[16:32] <NCommander> Martyn, o_o;
[16:33] <Martyn> a.k.a "everything needed for Karmic server"
[16:33] <NCommander> Martyn, karmic .... server?
[16:33] <Martyn> and there are a lot of packages that are completely fubaring because I don't fully grok the launchpad system
[16:33] <NCommander> Martyn, oh god, don't use Launchpad for archive rebuilds
[16:33] <NCommander> PLEASE
[16:34] <NCommander> That's like using a steamroller to open a bag of peanuts
[16:34] <Martyn> NCommander: You have a better way to rebuild the entire package archive?  If so, I'm all ears
[16:34] <Martyn> because from what I gleaned from Duncan and company .. I needed the whole launchpad rigamarole
[16:35] <NCommander> Martyn, rebuildd is one choice for one shot rebuilds. wanna-build/buildd/sbuild from Debian probably work better but require manual intervention on uploads to get them published (unless you tweak buildd)
[16:35] <Martyn> Well, this isn't just going to be one-shot, hopefully.
[16:35] <NCommander> lool, ^
[16:36] <NCommander> lool was working on a spec to do exactly this actually.
[16:36] <Martyn> Yes, don't know where that got to though
[16:36] <NCommander> Martyn, do you actually expect to see significant performance increases from ARMv6->armv7?
[16:36]  * NCommander didn't think ARMv7 added too much to the base instruction set that would improve general application time.
[16:37] <rabeeh> NCommander: nice :) i'll trade
[16:37] <Martyn> I'm not doing it for performance.
[16:37] <Martyn> I'm doing it for power
[16:37] <Martyn> and to compile with full NEON support for those applications that can use it
[16:37] <NCommander> rabeeh, I think your spamfilter ate that email
[16:37] <NCommander> rabeeh, (did you see the private message i sent you?)
[16:37] <NCommander> as in server side spam filter
[16:41] <rabeeh> Martyn: is this autovectorization?
[16:42] <Martyn> rabeeh : Can't comment
[16:45] <NCommander> Martyn, w.r.t. to public dove documentation, its mostly just a by-product of the Ubuntu development cycle
[16:45] <NCommander> (i.e., the installation wiki page and such)
[16:45] <Martyn> *nod*
[16:46] <Martyn> frankly, I wish a lot of the ARM crap would stop being so cloak-and-dagger
[16:46] <NCommander> Martyn, the entire process is driven to be open and visible, so the documentation follows the same route.
[16:46] <Martyn> ARM architecture that is
[16:46] <armin76> rabeeh: i'm happy with ssh access to dove, gimme :)
[16:46] <Martyn> so many manufacturers wanting to keep things under wraps, that it slows down innovation and cross-pollination at a time when people's interest in ARM architecture is really starting to explode
[16:46] <armin76> Martyn: tell me that to me :)
[16:47] <NCommander> Martyn, I just want OpenFirmware for ARM or equivelent
[16:47] <Martyn> armin76: Syntax error?
[16:47] <Martyn> NCommander: UEFI
[16:47] <Martyn> that's the thing that will eventually be that
[16:48] <armin76> Martyn: the thing about manufacturers keeping it secret
[16:48] <armin76> that affects me, because i could do stuff if i had access to the hardware as well
[16:49] <rabeeh> armin76: you have 78100 and sheevaplug
[16:49] <rabeeh> marvell is making those announced products public !!!
[16:49] <armin76> rabeeh: but thats not v7
[16:50]  * NCommander got to play with a Sheevaplug
[16:51] <Martyn> armin76 : BTW, I reinstalled the babbage, and am waiting for permission from the CEO to put it in the DMZ so you can ssh into it
[16:52] <ojn> armin76: there are other armv7 platforms out there. Or do you need to run on a specific implementation to performance tune something? Either way, "do stuff" is barely much of a selling point for hardware access by vendors. :)
[16:53] <Martyn> ojn : perhaps not, but locking away the hardware from view certainly doesn't help get a robust and vibrant community of developers going either :)
[16:53]  * NCommander would love to see a vendor successfully see a product that didn't do stuff
[16:53] <armin76> ojn: i'm eating an icecream, i'll write better answers now
[16:53] <armin76> after i'm done with it, that is
[16:53] <Martyn> Best thing ATmel ever did for the mega series of AVR processors, was come out with the inexpensive butterfly dev kit
[16:53] <NCommander> armin76, what flavor ;-)
[16:54] <NCommander> Martyn, ooh, I have an old AVR8 board in the closet
[16:54] <ojn> Martyn: Sure. ARM has some of it going already with the beagle and other cheap platforms
[16:54] <Martyn> and the best thing TI/ARM ever did, was back the creation of the OMAP3 based Beagleboard
[16:54] <NCommander> That thing taught me ASM could be fun
[16:54]  * NCommander was runover by x86 asm as a small child ...
[16:54] <armin76> NCommander: almond :)
[16:54] <ojn> armin76: heh
[16:54] <armin76> ok, i'm done
[16:54] <armin76> Martyn: thanks :) how much space can i have on it?
[16:54]  * NCommander goes to hit the installer with a brick
[16:55] <Martyn> I'm working on an A9 based beagleboard-like implementation, based on the SoC my company is working on
[16:55] <Martyn> that way there will be the expensive server platform, but also an uber-cheap little board for people to get addicted to
[16:55] <armin76> ojn: yes, there are other platforms but unlike you canonical guys(are you one of them as well?) i don't have the contacts
[16:55] <NCommander> Martyn, sounds like the NSLU2
[16:55] <ogra> armin76, the babbage is really not as exciting as it seems ... the dove with its cool SATA controller is way beyond
[16:55] <ojn> armin76: no, i dont' work for canonical
[16:55] <Martyn> armin76: I'll put in one of the 16Gb SDHC cards, should be enough to keep you hapyp
[16:56] <armin76> ojn: also i don't get paid for doing development on it
[16:56] <NCommander> Martyn, 16GiB? Bah, I can only find 2-4 GiB around here
[16:56] <Martyn> ogra : There's a little sata controller on the babbage too :)  It's just not -as- exciting
[16:56] <armin76> Martyn: it should! thanks :)
[16:56] <ogra> Martyn, its a fake :P
[16:56] <NCommander> Martyn, its USB based
[16:56] <ogra> Martyn, the SATA on the babbage is a SATA to USB bridge
[16:56] <Martyn> Yeah, I know it's usb based ... but it works anyway
[16:56] <ogra> it only operates at USB speed
[16:56] <armin76> ojn: the only manufacturer contact i have is rabeeh, thats why i'm bothering him :)
[16:56] <Martyn> ogra : True .. that's a bummer
[16:57] <ojn> armin76: heh
[16:57] <ogra> i get 60MB/s out of my dove with a 7200rpm disk
[16:57] <Martyn> ogra : Stop making me jealous
[16:57] <armin76> ogra: but its still armv7, i'm happy with being able to compile and having nfs
[16:57] <rabeeh> ogra: is it an old drive?
[16:57] <ogra> only 16-20 out of the babbage
[16:57] <ogra> rabeeh, well, what i had lying around
[16:57]  * NCommander should plug in his UltraSCSI board into his dove then connect a 10,000 RPM drive
[16:57] <Martyn> ogra : Yeah yeah, but are YOU going to put a dove outside a firewall for armin to play with?
[16:57] <NCommander> :-)
[16:57] <ogra> Martyn, no :)
[16:57] <armin76> ogra: maybe it sucks for you, but if its better than the beagle then its enough for me :)
[16:58]  * NCommander would if armin76 is willing to access it over IPv6
[16:58] <NCommander> bahahahah
[16:58] <Martyn> Well then, the whole idea of which sata implementation is moot then :)
[16:58] <ogra> its better than the beagle B1 for sure
[16:58] <armin76> NCommander: i do have ipv6
[16:58] <ogra> cant compare to the C rev. beagles
[16:58] <NCommander> armin76, >.<;
[16:58] <armin76> NCommander: gimme :)
[16:58] <NCommander> armin76, sadly, my dove's ipv6 address keeps changing
[16:58] <Martyn> ogra : C rev is the same, but the USB host works, and there is twice the memory
[16:58] <NCommander> armin76, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mvl-dove/+bug/435046 - due to this
[16:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 435046 in linux-mvl-dove "Ethernet port on the dove sometimes changes MAC addresses" [Undecided,New]
[16:58]  * Martyn again, has to patiently wait for smooth-stone to get a dove to touch one
[16:59] <NCommander> Martyn, BTW, do you know how many eth devices the kernel can have?
[16:59] <ogra> right, twice the ram will make some difference
[16:59] <ogra> 65535 ?
[16:59] <NCommander> Martyn, I'm trying to figure out if the dove will panic if it hits eth255
[16:59] <armin76> ojn: also believe me that i've tried to contact freescale and TI about boards, to no avail, so i only have rabeeh :)
[16:59] <rabeeh> NCommander: just set the 'ethaddr' in u-boot and it won't random your mac address
[16:59] <ojn> armin76: see /msg
[16:59] <NCommander> rabeeh, I did
[16:59] <NCommander> rabeeh, it doesn't work.
[16:59] <rabeeh> NCommander: saveenv?
[16:59] <rabeeh> :)
[16:59] <NCommander> rabeeh, yup
[17:00] <NCommander> rabeeh, see the bug :-/
[17:00] <NCommander> rabeeh, its like my MAC is connected to a random number generator
[17:00]  * NCommander ran out of DHCP leases last night ...
[17:00] <ogra> get more dhcp servers
[17:00] <NCommander> ogra, I just moved to IPv6
[17:00] <ogra> you never see the obvious fix
[17:00] <NCommander> ;-)
[17:01] <rabeeh> NCommander: touch /ubuntu/etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules
[17:01] <lool> ojn: Hey what are you working on?  (in terms of ARM stuff)
[17:01]  * NCommander blinks
[17:01] <lool> Martyn: I'm afraid I didn't manage to reserve time to work on my spec so I didn't complete anything remotely useful
[17:01] <rabeeh> that will keep ethX to eth0; but regardless the MAC address should change after you do saveenv
[17:01] <ojn> lool: Working at a startup that is currently considering using an arm soc in a product. just doing random stuff
[17:01] <lool> I only read API docs and played with some scripts
[17:01] <NCommander> rabeeh, it keeps changing regardless
[17:02] <ogra> lool, dont say that, rootstock is happily using your kernel hack ;)
[17:02] <lool> ojn: netbook class, server class, beagleboard like?
[17:02] <rabeeh> NCommander: can you use the Marvell u-boot
[17:02] <lool> ogra: True, I did put a shitload of time in qemu in the beginning of the cycle
[17:02] <NCommander> rabeeh, I can, but I haven't made any code changes that would affect this
[17:02] <ojn> lool: Sorry, not public information. :)
[17:03] <NCommander> armin76, 2001:470:1d:8d:250:43ff:fe68:1438
[17:03] <rabeeh> NCommander: after two boots - http://dpaste.com/97255/
[17:03] <lool> ojn: armv7?
[17:04] <NCommander> rabeeh, thats a manually set one, I was just using the default in u-boot
[17:04] <lool> ojn: it's ok if it's private too  :-)
[17:04] <ojn> lool: well, most interesting ARM SoC's out there today (and/or soon) are ARMv7.
[17:04] <lool> Yeah you know I was hoping to bring you on the road to revealing something about your work   :-)
[17:05] <lool> ojn: You coming to UDS?
[17:05] <ogra> and if not, whats your excuse :)
[17:05] <armin76> NCommander: which password? :)
[17:05] <ojn> lool: hah.   where, when?
[17:05] <armin76> and user
[17:05] <NCommander> armin76, wow, you weren't joking when you said you have IPv6
[17:05] <lool> ojn: mid Nov somewhere in the US
[17:05] <lool> Final place not decided yet   :-(
[17:05] <rabeeh> NCommander: that's what i'm saying; you need to set it manually to different MAC
[17:05] <armin76> NCommander: owned? :)
[17:06] <ojn> lool: depends on if I can find business justification, I suppose.
[17:06] <NCommander> armin76, well, I learned my firewalls rules are a bit more permissive than I realized ;-)
[17:06] <armin76> NCommander: had to set it up to access the mv78100 rabeeh talked about :)
[17:06] <lool> ojn: It's where we plan for next 6 months of Ubuntu dev
[17:06] <ojn> lool: right, I know what the event is. :)
[17:06] <ogra> ojn, you can take influence on behalf of your company ...
[17:06] <NCommander> armin76, there's something sexy about not popping a hole in the NAT for you
[17:06] <lool> ojn: I was suggesting that might be good justification   :-)
[17:07] <ogra> ojn, that should be enough justification :)
[17:07] <ojn> heh
[17:07] <ojn> well, locate it in austin and it's an easy decision.
[17:07] <lool> ojn: But then you cant share much so I cant really give better advice; I cant say we could have a session on netbooks or a session on servers for instance   :-)
[17:07] <lool> ojn: It might be in dallas
[17:07] <lool> at which point you can basically walk there
[17:07] <ogra> ojn, one of the places on the plate is very near
[17:07] <ojn> lool: that'd be ok
[17:12] <NCommander> lool, can I pick your mind on a technical question on a how best to implement?
[17:12] <NCommander> lool, I rewrote flash-kernel so it gets the UUID dynamically by reading /, but I'm not sure how to make this work from flash-kernel-installer, since it will end up calling both f-k-i, and flash-kernel
[17:12]  * NCommander is kinda thinking of forging a mtab entry in the chroot ...
[17:13] <NCommander> (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mcasadevall/flash-kernel/standalone_boot.scr)
[17:21] <armin76> Martyn: is the cortex-a9 armv7a or not?
[17:21] <NCommander> bbiab
[17:22] <Martyn> armin76 : Yes
[17:23] <Martyn> lool : Can't wait to have the Ubuntu 6mo here in Austin :)
[17:23] <Martyn> lool : I finally get to meet all of you in person :)
[17:24] <Martyn> lool : 3 hour drive to dallas, still would do it :)
[17:41] <lool> rabeeh: Can you explain how you got the glib warning exactly?
[17:41] <lool> rabeeh: Cause that should work in karmic, I see a > 2.10 dep on libc on amd64
[17:41] <rabeeh> apt-get update
[17:41] <rabeeh> apt-get upgrade
[17:42] <lool> NCommander: Cant f-k-i just call flash-kernel??
[17:42] <lool> NCommander: there are examples of UUID computations in flash-kernel already I think
[17:42] <lool> rabeeh: That's a pure karmic system?
[17:42] <rabeeh> yes
[17:42] <lool> libglib2.0-0 Depends: libc6 (>> 2.10), libc6 (<< 2.11), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.4.0), libpcre3 (>= 7.7), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.85)
[17:43] <rabeeh> root@ubuntu:/tmp# dpkg-query -l | grep libc6
[17:43] <rabeeh> ii  libc6                             2.10.1-0ubuntu7                       GNU C Library: Shared libraries
[17:43] <rabeeh> ii  libc6-dev                         2.10.1-0ubuntu7                       GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Hea
[17:43] <rabeeh> ii  libc6-vfp                         2.10.1-0ubuntu7                       GNU C Library: Shared libraries [VFP version
[17:45] <lool> rabeeh: odd, that version should be fine
[17:46] <rabeeh> hmm... shouldn't that build depends on ... ?
[17:51] <rabeeh> NCommander: where can i download dove live images? and u-boot?
[17:55] <Martyn> ARGH
[17:55] <Martyn> build crashed
[17:55] <Martyn> rabeeh : www.ubuntu.com/testing
[17:59] <rabeeh> 17-sep is latest ?
[17:59] <rabeeh> (alpha-6)
[18:11] <Martyn> yes, but there are some packages that need upgrading after install
[18:11] <Martyn> there were a lot of changes applied in the last few days
[18:25] <lool> rabeeh: it does too


[19:20] <hggdh> today is the last day to vote for the IRCC slots. If you are elegible for voting, you should have received an email from CIVS.


[06:51] <nsnzero> morning guys
[06:52] <nsnzero> everyday i receive at least 1 phising email - is there anywhere i can report it ?
[07:00] <andrewlsd> \o all
[07:00] <andrewlsd> missed, kulelu88
[07:01] <andrewlsd> maaz tell kulelu88 to ping andrewlsd if he still hasn't got history timestamps working
[07:01] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Got it, I'll tell kulelu88 on freenode
[07:06] <paddatrapper> nsnzero: Only one, that's not bad. Since subscribing to debian mailing lists I get about 5-10 a day
[07:06] <paddatrapper> Luckily all caught by the spam filter
[07:10] <nsnzero> thanks paddatrapper - i wanted to report it so others dont get caught - i have a good spam filter - common sense - unfortuanately others may not
[07:13] <thatgraemeguy> morning
[07:14] <andrewlsd> \o thatgraemeguy
[07:43] <paddatrapper> nsnzero: Yeah I understand, not sure there is a place to report them that is actually effective
[07:57] <nsnzero> would be nice if these spammer can get caught
[08:02] <paddatrapper> Anyone know of a good online storage service for dumping about 5-10GB worth of backups? Preferably with a low price-point
[08:09] <andrewlsd> Amazon Glacier paddatrapper
[08:09] <andrewlsd> and/or "crashplan"
[08:10] <andrewlsd> Glacier is very cheap,  until you need to recover all your data.
[08:10] <nsnzero> mega.nz free account 50G
[08:10] <andrewlsd> Glacier allows you to retrieve a percentage of your data at no additional charge.  +1 for nszero
[08:11] <andrewlsd> with any cloud hosting, also have a plan for how to migrate to another provider, in case the one you've selected closes down (or just shutters that product)
[08:12] <paddatrapper> thanks, yeah I just back-up the lxc containers and then restore them to a new host if I need to move providers, etc, but I need to find a way of doing it that doesn't require me downloading it all locally
[08:14] <andrewlsd> ... if those containers contain sensitive information then you probably want to encrypt that data before uploading them.
[08:14] <paddatrapper> Definitely plan on it
[08:15] <andrewlsd> OTH,  you could run your own LXD image registry on amazon. and use that to publish your LXC containers.
[08:15] <andrewlsd> ... methinks Mega is likely the easiest option.
[08:18] <paddatrapper> nsnzero: is it possible to rsync/similar to mega?
[08:20] <nsnzero> i havent used it myself - but they offer megatools a command line client - not sure if its free though
[08:23] <nsnzero> this might help - its free - https://github.com/megous/megatools
[08:26] <paddatrapper> thanks. I'll take a look
[08:27] <paddatrapper> And it's in debian repos
[08:28] <nsnzero> and this if you want to mount the share locally  - https://github.com/matteoserva/MegaFuse
[08:48]  * andrewlsd lurks
[09:26] <paddatrapper> Do we have a meeting tonight?
[09:34] <nsnzero> maaz might know
[09:39] <nsnzero> the ubuntu loco team portal needs updating btw
[09:41] <paddatrapper> Maaz: meeting
[09:41] <Maaz> Meetings are held every 3rd Monday of each month at 19h30 SAST. More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings
[09:42] <paddatrapper> That page is also out of date...
[09:46] <andrewlsd> paddatrapper: so we should have had a meeting on the 16th, by the looks of that info from Maaz
[09:54] <paddatrapper> andrewlsd: The channel title says today at 20:30. Then I guess shall we have it?
[10:43] <paddatrapper> Maaz: seen Kilos
[10:43] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Kilos was last seen 1 day, 5 hours and 22 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2017-01-23 07:43:16 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2017-01-23 08:06:13 SAST
[10:45] <chesedo> we should have a meeting tonight
[10:48] <chesedo> paddatrapper: seems like you would be chair... i can share our cheatsheet in a bit if you are still up to it?
[11:12] <chesedo> To all: the meeting page has been updated so feel free to add anything missing...
[11:12] <chesedo> Maaz: announce Meeting here tonight
[11:12] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting here tonight
[11:20] <chesedo> inetpro: can you send out the twitter notification for the meeting?
[11:22] <chesedo> hi synapse | Guest89004
[11:23] <chesedo> and welcome to the ubuntu-za channel
[11:38] <jerit> chesedo: I read the word cheese in your nick now I want cheese puffs
[11:45] <paddatrapper> chesedo: cool. That would be great thanks
[12:35] <chesedo> jerit: nlsthzn may have some again at the meeting tonight :P
[12:35] <chesedo> thought he never shares them either :D
[12:37] <chesedo> inetpro: we also need to make sure paddatrapper has Maaz permissions for tonight's meeting
[12:37] <chesedo> Maaz: last seen kulelu88
[12:37] <Maaz> chesedo: Excuse me?
[12:38] <chesedo> Maaz: seen kulelu88
[12:38] <Maaz> chesedo: kulelu88 was last seen 16 hours, 43 minutes and 55 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2017-01-23 21:54:05 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2017-01-24 04:56:36 SAST
[13:45] <inetpro> yikes!
[13:45] <inetpro> good mornings
[13:45] <inetpro> chesedo: I won't make the meeting tonight
[13:46] <inetpro> paddatrapper: let's see whether we can get you up on Maaz
[13:49] <paddatrapper> inetpro: thanks, that would be useful
[13:51] <inetpro> Maaz: help accounts
[13:51] <Maaz> inetpro: Manage users accounts with the bot. An account represents a person. An account has one or more identities, which is a user on a specific source.
[13:51] <Maaz> You can use it like this:
[13:51] <Maaz>   I am <identity> on <source>
[13:51] <Maaz>   link user <username> to <identity> on <source>
[13:51] <Maaz>   remove identity <identity> on <source> [from <username>]
[13:51] <Maaz>   create account [<name>]
[13:51] <Maaz>   delete (my account|account <name>)
[13:51] <Maaz>   rename (my account|account <name>) to <name>
[13:51] <Maaz>   set (my|<account>) <name> to <value>
[13:51] <Maaz>   list (my|<username>'s) identities
[13:51] <inetpro> Maaz: permissions for paddatrapper
[13:51] <Maaz> inetpro: I don't know who paddatrapper is
[13:51] <paddatrapper> lol
[13:52] <inetpro> paddatrapper: try this: "Maaz: I am paddatrapper on irc"
[13:52] <inetpro> obviously without quotes
[13:52] <paddatrapper> Maaz: I am paddatrapper on irc
[13:52] <Maaz> paddatrapper: I've created the account paddatrapper for you
[13:52] <Maaz> paddatrapper: I am not connected to irc
[13:52] <paddatrapper> Maaz: I am paddatrapper on freenode
[13:52] <Maaz> paddatrapper: This identity is already attached to account paddatrapper
[13:52] <shifter> whats up all
[13:52] <inetpro> Maaz: permissions for paddatrapper
[13:52] <Maaz> inetpro: Permissions: none
[13:52] <paddatrapper> hey shifter
[13:52] <inetpro> Maaz: grant chairmeeting to paddatrapper
[13:52] <Maaz> inetpro: Alrighty
[13:52] <inetpro> Maaz: permissions for paddatrapper
[13:52] <Maaz> inetpro: Permissions: +chairmeeting
[13:53] <inetpro> paddatrapper: done
[13:53] <paddatrapper> thanks
[13:53] <shifter> has anyone used bitvise ssh before on windows?
[13:53] <shifter> hey paddatrapper
[13:56] <inetpro> paddatrapper: don't know whether it matters that we said irc rather than freenode above
[13:56] <inetpro> if you want you can just remove identity and we try again
[13:57] <inetpro> shifter: what is windows?
[13:58] <shifter> anyone know of a good alternative for bitvise ssh, something that can open a terminal window and a sftp windows
[13:58] <shifter> inetpro, its cancer, i recently found the cure
[13:58] <inetpro> haha :-D
[14:11] <superfly> inetpro: What's the time?
[14:12] <sakhi> Hello ubuntu-za
[14:12] <superfly> shifter: putty or winscp
[14:12] <superfly> Hi sakhi
[14:12] <shifter> thanks superfly, do they have sftp windows as well?
[14:12] <sakhi> hi superfly happy for you :) greencard.
[14:13] <superfly> sakhi: thanks!
[14:14] <superfly> shifter: I don't know. I just know that those two are tools some colleagues of mine used. I last used Windows more than 10 years ago
[14:15] <sakhi> Any suggestions on Linux based VPN (besides OpenVPN) that will allow users connection to their Windows DC's and other local MS services?
[14:15] <shifter> lol, thanks superfly
[14:15] <superfly> sakhi: what about pptp?
[14:15] <paddatrapper> inetpro: It does, it it dependent on your config file - by default it uses freenode, as each irc server (freenode, atrum, oftc, etc) is a different source
[14:15] <paddatrapper> hey superfly
[14:15] <superfly> Hey paddatrapper!
[14:16] <paddatrapper> Maaz: link user paddatrapper to paddatrapper on freenode
[14:16] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Just do it yourself
[14:16] <sakhi> Pf-Sense (vpn) -> Auth -> AD -> Services. I need to have *nix on the edge.
[14:16] <paddatrapper> superfly: How goes things?
[14:17] <sakhi> superfly: that should work, will check it, will also look at what IKE.
[14:17] <superfly> paddatrapper: slowly. Finally got a desk, so now I can at least set up the mac again and have a desktop machine
[14:18] <paddatrapper> superfly: Nice! Getting there
[14:18] <superfly> paddatrapper: am uncle gave us a PC, but we need to go fetch it, so I'm not sure what its specs are
[14:18] <superfly> *an
[14:18] <superfly> paddatrapper, sakhi: What's the time there at the moment?
[14:19] <superfly> I've completely lost track
[14:19] <sakhi> superfly: 16:20
[14:19] <superfly> Thanks. I want to try to be at the meeting
[14:20] <paddatrapper> superfly: Meeting is in 2h10
[14:21] <superfly> OK, 9:30 my time
[14:24] <shifter> if I wanted to run sublime test form the terminal, how would i do that?
[14:25] <shifter> *test
[14:25] <shifter> *text
[14:25] <paddatrapper> shifter: you use vim :)
[14:25] <shifter> lol eventually
[14:26] <shifter> let me crawl first before I move to hyper speed
[14:27] <paddatrapper> lol, vim isn't too bad
[14:28] <superfly> actually, it's easier to just go straight to vim. It's so completely different to other editors that you'll only get more confused if you use others.
[14:28] <shifter> aw maaaaaaaaaaan
[14:29] <superfly> http://www.viemu.com/a-why-vi-vim.html
[14:29] <superfly> shifter: read that ^^
[14:30] <superfly> shifter: also this: http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2012/03/21/why-vim/
[14:30] <shifter> ok, prepare for more annoying questions LOL
[14:32] <superfly> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Yckiwntz2PIGsbSn6Q3COPmCLLntVw7h1DJwk9mbeEg/mobilepresent
[14:33] <shifter> im still on the first resource
[14:34] <chesedo-> superfly: hi, do you know of any good *complete* and in-depth vim guides?
[14:35] <shifter> vi is the "killerest" LOL
[15:46] <superfly> chesedo: I don't. I used the first article I linked to, and then I just used it on a daily basis for anything that involved typing, except e-mails.
[15:46] <superfly> You can probably figure out a way to use it for e-mail too, I just haven't bothered because my e-mail is web-based,
[15:58] <superfly> chesedo, shifter: also, use Neovim, not vim. And get some good plugins installed. I'll put up my configuration just now.
[15:58] <shifter> im trying out vimtutor
[16:04] <superfly> chesedo, shifter: also, http://vimawesome.com
[16:07] <superfly> chesedo, shifter: I'm using vim-plug as a plugin manager. See https://github.com/junegunn/vim-plug
[16:07] <superfly> chesedo, shifter: this is my init.vim for Neovim: https://bin.snyman.info/mmm8mcm7
[16:08] <paddatrapper> superfly: mutt for email, with $EDITOR=vim will allow you to use it for email too
[16:09] <superfly> paddatrapper: does mutt work with imap?
[16:09]  * paddatrapper has his config in git: https://gitlab.com/paddatrapper/dotfiles
[16:09] <paddatrapper> superfly: last I checked yup
[16:09] <paddatrapper> I was using it with Gmail for a while, then got lazy
[16:10] <superfly> paddatrapper: I have my config in bzr on a server I control ;-)
[16:10] <superfly> I need to install loggerhead or something
[16:10] <paddatrapper> superfly: Nice, a little _too_ much work for me there
[16:11] <paddatrapper> I need to fix the current issues I'm facing before I even consider adding more to my infrastructure
[16:11] <superfly> paddatrapper: actually, all you need is bzr installed on the server (and in the case of git, git) for a remote repo. for a frontend you'd need something like cgit
[16:11] <paddatrapper> one day then :)
[16:12] <shifter> man this is hectic
[16:14] <superfly> chesedo, shifter: also, install Hack: http://sourcefoundry.org/hack/
[16:31] <superfly> paddatrapper: so, is this meeting happening?
[16:58]  * superfly feels like he's missing something
[17:25] <paddatrapper> superfly: Seems I can't maths - supposed to be in an hour
[17:25] <superfly> ah, OK
[17:25] <paddatrapper> Sorry was busy with supper
[17:25] <superfly> np
[17:25] <superfly> It's currently 10:25am here, so I've pretty much got all day ;-)
[18:02] <superfly> paddatrapper: just a tip, we should have an AGREED to end every topic. If you look at the last meeting's minutes, you'll see that there are lots of topics, but nothing to say what we actually discussed or even decided (if anything)
[18:02] <superfly> Maaz: help meetings
[18:02] <Maaz> superfly: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:
[18:02] <Maaz>   (start | end) meeting [about <title>]
[18:02] <Maaz>   I am <True Name>
[18:02] <Maaz>   topic <topic>
[18:02] <Maaz>   (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[18:02] <Maaz>   minutes so far
[18:02] <Maaz>   meeting title is <title>
[18:03] <superfly> paddatrapper: I think using "idea" might also be a good idea... if you'll excuse the pun
[18:03] <paddatrapper> superfly: thanks. Yeah will do
[18:04] <superfly> paddatrapper: look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20161122#Summary to see what I mean
[18:05] <superfly> maybe I should raise it as an idea in the meeting ;-)
[18:05] <superfly> how meta :-P
[18:12] <nsnzero> evening all
[18:12]  * smile pokes superfly
[18:12] <smile> is there a meeting tonight / today?
[18:12] <superfly> hi nsnzero, smile
[18:12] <nsnzero> at 8.30
[18:12] <superfly> smile: yes
[18:12] <superfly> in about 15 minutes
[18:12] <smile> okay :)
[18:13] <nsnzero> greetings superfly and smile
[18:13] <superfly> nsnzero: 11:30 my time, I think
[18:13] <smile> Don't forget it's 19:13 here, nsnzero :p
[18:13] <nsnzero> my apologies 8.30pm
[18:13] <smile> oke :)
[18:16] <nsnzero> back in the day my grandfather used to wind his watch , now we have to charge our watches
[18:16] <smile> kmf: welcome
[18:17] <kmf> hi smile
[18:18] <nsnzero> thanks for joining us kmf
[18:19] <kmf> np nsnzero
[18:19] <superfly> sup kmf!
[18:19] <kmf> howdy superfly ... hoe's die weer?
[18:20] <superfly> kmf: 'n bietjie koud, maar nie sleg nie. beter a kaapstad se winter, en veels beter as gauteng se winter
[18:20] <superfly> *as
[18:20] <kmf> lol ... keep to engrish sounds better
[18:28] <nsnzero> almost meeting time ...
[18:29] <paddatrapper> 2 minutes according to my clock
[18:30] <chesedo> a few seconds
[18:30] <paddatrapper> and
[18:30] <chesedo> hi kmf
[18:30] <paddatrapper> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - January 2017
[18:30]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:30] <kmf> chesedo: hello!
[18:30] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:30] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:31] <paddatrapper> Welcome all those who made it, thanks for being here!
[18:31] <paddatrapper> Our bot maaz does the minutes as usual so please introduce yourself to it using `Maaz: I am <firstname lastname>` eg.
[18:31] <paddatrapper> Maaz: I am Kyle Robbertze
[18:31] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Okay
[18:31] <chesedo> Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht
[18:31] <Maaz> chesedo: Yessir
[18:31] <paddatrapper> The agenda for today is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170124 feel free to add any last minute stuff
[18:32] <paddatrapper> everyone happy with the agenda?
[18:33] <nsnzero> Maaz: i am nsnzero
[18:33] <Maaz> nsnzero: Righto
[18:33] <chesedo> paddatrapper: I'm ok with it
[18:33] <kmf> +1
[18:33] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed All happy with previous minutes
[18:33] <Maaz> Agreed: All happy with previous minutes
[18:34] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Review of previous minutes
[18:34] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review of previous minutes
[18:34] <paddatrapper> Previous minutes are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20161122#Summary
[18:35] <paddatrapper> Everyone happy with the minutes of last meeting? Even if it was a while ago
[18:35] <paddatrapper> ?
[18:36] <chesedo> yes
[18:36] <kmf> +1
[18:36] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed All happy with previous minutes
[18:36] <Maaz> Agreed: All happy with previous minutes
[18:36] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Plans for 2017
[18:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Plans for 2017
[18:37] <paddatrapper> They aren't around, but does anyone know the status of magespawn's application or that of tareq or Kapanda?
[18:38] <chesedo> superfly kmf nsnzero thatgraemeguy shifter spinza  would you guys introduce yourself to Maaz with your fullnames
[18:38] <chesedo> paddatrapper: i am checking magespawns
[18:38] <paddatrapper> And while we're at it, anyone else wanting help with membership, launchpad IDs, etc?
[18:38] <kmf> Maaz: I am Karl Fischer
[18:38] <Maaz> kmf: Righto
[18:38] <chesedo> wiki page still missing for him
[18:38] <paddatrapper> superfly: word wakker man!
[18:39] <chesedo> lol, we took to long, he was eager 2h ago :P
[18:39] <paddatrapper> chesedo: cool. I haven't seen tareq or Kapanda around at all
[18:39] <paddatrapper> yeah kids must be calling
[18:40] <paddatrapper> Ok then is there an update on Ubuntu for Hope?
[18:40] <chesedo> paddatrapper: tareq is from somewhre in asia and only Kilos has contact with him...
[18:40] <superfly> sorry, busy with some other things
[18:40] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:40] <Maaz> superfly: Alrighty
[18:40] <chesedo> Kapanda has not been around in a while
[18:40] <paddatrapper> Wonder how Kilos is doing... Hasn't been online today at all
[18:41] <chesedo> paddatrapper: I do not know if we have any...
[18:41]  * chesedo also wonders
[18:41] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed magespawn still needs a wiki page, Kapanda hasn't been seen in a while and Kilos is the only one with contact with Kapanda
[18:41] <Maaz> Agreed: magespawn still needs a wiki page, Kapanda hasn't been seen in a while and Kilos is the only one with contact with Kapanda
[18:42] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed no update on Ubuntu for Hope
[18:42] <Maaz> Agreed: no update on Ubuntu for Hope
[18:42] <chesedo> kmf: any events planned for Ubuntu for Hope that we can help with
[18:42] <kmf> chesedo: ...
[18:42] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Events
[18:42] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:42] <paddatrapper> I'll take that as no kmf :)
[18:43] <kmf> chesedo: nothing major planned, but I want to organize a GLUG party
[18:43] <kmf> paddatrapper: ... sorry my wife called ... she has OP status ....
[18:43] <chesedo> kmf: sound exciting!!!
[18:43] <kmf> chesedo: GLUG is 20 years old I think
[18:43] <paddatrapper> kmf: No problem. That she does!
[18:44] <paddatrapper> That's impressive
[18:44] <kmf> chesedo: spoke to Ross Addis and he is keen to do something from a RedHat side :D
[18:44]  * paddatrapper has no idea how old CLUG is
[18:44] <inetpro> good evening
[18:44] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:44] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[18:44] <paddatrapper> hey inetpro
[18:45] <chesedo> kmf: is this in the near future?
[18:45] <kmf> chesedo: .... I hope so ... but he is busy now ... it's the RedHat forum
[18:46] <kmf> @inetpro hello Oom Gustav
[18:46] <paddatrapper> kmf: I take it GLUG is 20 y/o this year?
[18:46] <kmf> paddatrapper: .... ja ... I think
[18:47] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed kmf wants to organise a GLUG part sometime soon for what may be their 20th year
[18:47] <Maaz> Agreed: kmf wants to organise a GLUG part sometime soon for what may be their 20th year
[18:47] <inetpro> chesedo: sorry, I forgot to tweet about the meeting
[18:47] <chesedo> inetpro: np
[18:47] <paddatrapper> Anyone able to report back about devug that happend earlier this month?
[18:47] <inetpro> kmf: good to see you here
[18:47]  * chesedo forgot to got all things ready late last week
[18:48] <kmf> inetpro: my pleasure ... you look good have you lost some weight or is it my new font that makes you look smaller
[18:48] <paddatrapper> lol
[18:48] <inetpro> haha :)
[18:49] <chesedo> paddatrapper: seemed like kulelu88 was interested in going, but do not know anything
[18:49] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed no info about devug
[18:49] <Maaz> Agreed: no info about devug
[18:49]  * chesedo rofl
[18:49] <kmf> ;)
[18:50] <paddatrapper> Ok then there are two events coming up - rubyfuza and devconf, anyone know more?
[18:50] <paddatrapper> rubyfuza: 2-4 February 2017 Cape Town and devconf: 9 March, 2017, Johannesburg
[18:50] <inetpro> sounds good
[18:50] <kmf> paddatrapper: ... yes ... what about scaleconf?
[18:51] <paddatrapper> kmf: I shall add it in! That's next month isn't it?
[18:52] <shifter> Maaz: I am C Fleming
[18:52] <Maaz> shifter: Okay
[18:52] <paddatrapper> Scaleconf - 9-10 March, Cape Town
[18:52] <paddatrapper> Kirstenbosch nog al!
[18:53] <kmf> paddatrapper: yebo ... same time as devconf ....
[18:53] <inetpro> anyone here been to previous scaleconf events?
[18:54] <superfly> I went to ScaleConf 2013
[18:55] <paddatrapper> superfly: What's its focus?
[18:55] <superfly> paddatrapper: mostly boasting about how much data they're processing
[18:55] <chesedo> superfly: highpoint/best that you got from it?
[18:56] <superfly> chesedo: anyone can process a lot of data if you have a lot of money
[18:56]  * superfly turns the sarcasm down a little
[18:56]  * paddatrapper wonders if SKA will present anything considering the volumes they process
[18:56] <superfly> chesedo: the best talk, in my opinion, was actually my boss's
[18:56] <superfly> paddatrapper: they did in 2013
[18:57] <superfly> they had some MS salesdrone present on Azure
[18:57] <paddatrapper> As always
[18:57] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed Rubyfuza: 2-4 February, Cape Town :: Scaleconf: 9-10 March, Cape Town :: Devconf: 9 March, Johannesburg
[18:57] <Maaz> Agreed: Rubyfuza: 2-4 February, Cape Town :: Scaleconf: 9-10 March, Cape Town :: Devconf: 9 March, Johannesburg
[18:58] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[18:58] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[18:58] <paddatrapper> Anyone know anything about the Ubuntu education project?
[18:58] <kmf> nope
[18:59] <superfly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmMofn2dKhA
[18:59] <chesedo> same here
[18:59] <superfly> (my boss's talk)
[18:59] <paddatrapper> superfly: was about to ask, thanks
[19:00] <paddatrapper> anything else anyone wants to bring up?
[19:00]  * inetpro don't remember seeing anything about Ubuntu education recently
[19:01]  * inetpro wondering whether highvoltage is still involved with edubuntu
[19:01] <chesedo> inetpro: Kapanda and william are the main guys on it
[19:01] <paddatrapper> inetpro: as far as I know, yes
[19:01] <paddatrapper> in that I am redesigning stuff that he wants to include in it
[19:01] <inetpro> nice
[19:02] <inetpro> wb MaNI
[19:02] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Next meeting
[19:02] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting
[19:03] <paddatrapper> Next meeting 28 February 2017 @ 20:30 according to the agenda, is that fine?
[19:03] <kmf> +1
[19:04] <inetpro> +1
[19:04] <chesedo> +1
[19:04] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed Next meeting is 28 February 2017 @ 20:30
[19:04] <Maaz> Agreed: Next meeting is 28 February 2017 @ 20:30
[19:04] <paddatrapper> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:04] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:04] <MaNI> inetpro, thanks
[19:04] <paddatrapper> Who feels like volunteering as tribute?
[19:04] <paddatrapper> hey MaNI
[19:04]  * inetpro votes for paddatrapper
[19:05] <kmf> me 2
[19:05] <paddatrapper> It's still before the start of term, so should be possible
[19:05] <chesedo> inetpro: you are chickening out again :P
[19:05] <paddatrapper> lol
[19:05] <chesedo> I am also ok with that
[19:06] <inetpro> chesedo: you guys are better than me
[19:06] <paddatrapper> Maaz: agreed paddatrapper to chair next meeting
[19:06] <Maaz> Agreed: paddatrapper to chair next meeting
[19:06] <paddatrapper> Maaz: end meeting
[19:06] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:06] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-01-24-18-30-31.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-01-24-18-30-31.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-01-24-18-30-31.html
[19:06] <paddatrapper> Thanks everyone!
[19:06] <inetpro> great job paddatrapper
[19:06] <chesedo> awesomely done paddatrapper
[19:07] <paddatrapper> thanks inetpro, chesedo
[19:08] <inetpro> chesedo: my time is still too uncertain at this stage
[19:08] <inetpro> life keeping me busy
[19:08] <chesedo> inetpro: i'm just pooling your leg
[19:09] <inetpro> good night everybody
[19:09] <kmf> good night
[19:10] <kmf> love you all
[19:11] <chesedo> night inetpro kmf
[19:20] <superfly> paddatrapper: you know what would be useful in ibid, an "INFO" for meetings
[19:36] <smile> bye! :)
[19:53] <paddatrapper> superfly: yeah. There are a couple of things I'd like to pull from the Debconf bot like that